--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:

>
> vallenporter <magewuffa@...> writes:
>
> > Nr was not following the "by laws of the corp NR inc"
>
> So you say. Others, who actually were elected by the populace and are
> charged with interpreting the law, say differently. Since I am a
> member of the Board of Directors of Nova Roma Inc., and you're not,
> I'd very much appreciate if you'd respect the judgment of the Board
> and its officers, and not speculate about matters on which you are not
> fully informed.
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

Salve

sorry to tell you this but i got a lot of info from ,how to say this
all three sides on this.the Board of Directors of Nova Roma Inc has
many many info outlet even some that you and no-one that is part of
the TPTB have a clue of. and on top of that I also had lawyers look at
this and they and sulla lawyer are thinking the same thing.
so you are not right as to the facts of law both NR and US on this.
I think I may have more info then you.
it was as i have said before the same kind of thing that made the
downfall of CAW in 2003 so bad.
I have said before the NR INC needs a outside lawyer who can give the
BOD the info that they need to follow there own bylaws .
and also stay within the law on the INC side.
you should go talk with people on the BOD of he SCA about getting sued
when they did not follow the rule set.
as I say the member of the Board of Directors of Nova Roma Inc. NEEDS
some outside lawyer help get that tell us what they say etc.
and we are good.
but But show trails and all that other stuff you have done have been
seen and it is UNCOOL
I am a Sacerdos Templi Mercurius for long time. you do not think I
hear stuff.

vale Marcus Conrlius Felix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Justin Brett <justin.brett@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes
>
> Julia Aquila dixit:
> >"The BA ... is reputed
> >to have opinions and discussions that are not necessarily based on
> >the facts related to NR or sanctioned by the Respublica and said
> >discussions are the opinions and perceptions of those members of BA
> >and often may be influenced to the poster's own end."
>
> From what I have seen so far, this is a fairly good description of

your main list...

>

what he said and i said and on LOL and the sad thing is with two or
three people outside of clues on the bA it is a whole lot nicer more
of the time then here.

vale marcus Cornelius Felix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS"
<complutensis@...> wrote:

>
> M. Curiatius Complutensis Consul omnibus S·P·D·
>
> Tomorrow Nova Roma will be a peaceful place.
>
> Tomorrow is a Nefastus Publicus day, and no public businees could be
> performed under religious law. The /nefastus publicus /is a day of

the

> great public festivals, on which none but the most necessary forms of
> work was allowed.
>
> NO bad words be pronunced! Tomorrow is the day of Concordia, the day of
> the harmony.
>
> Tomorrow I will perform in private a sacrifice on behalf of the res

publica.

>
> Curate ut valete
>
>
>

Salvete

I also think i will Tomorrow I will perform in private a sacrifice on
behalf of the res publica.
Marcus Cornelius Felix
Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

If the Consuls, Censors and Tribunes of Nova Roma wish to disclose the
entire episode, preferable unedited, to the public. I state here and
now that I have no objection with it.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus"
<asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:

>
> Salve, et salvete omnes,
>  
> Perhaps there is no threat except in seeing the narcissistic

bravado-without-guts of some hysteria-mongering citizens as
something substantial rather than insubstantial.

>  
> Valete,
> A. Sempronius Regulus 
>
> --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Christer Edling <christer.edling@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Christer Edling <christer.edling@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] The threat to Nova Roma
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 12:49 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salvete Quirites!
>
>
>
> Having our corporation situated in a litigation happy country will

always be a threat to Nova Roma. Still a majority of our citizens are
living in USA and withot US citizens there would never have been a Res
Publica. How do we solcve this?

>
>
> To me threatening to sue your organization is not a proof of

loyalty. The threat isn't coming from the Senate or even from
individual magistrates, instead my impression is thati t comes from
citizens that lack loyalty and do not share a vision of the Res Publica..

>
>
> Nova Roma in itself is sounder than it was when I joined as my

colleague Senator Gnaeus Marinus have said, but we still have some
basic problems to deal with.

>
>
>
>
>
> ************ *****
> Vale
>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
>
>
> Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
> Civis Romanus sum
> http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Main_ Page
> ************ ********* ********* ********* *********
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************ ********* ********* ********* *********
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
> ************ ********* ********* ********* *********
> Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae 
> Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae 
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:

>
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> writes:
>
> > Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Cn. Equitio Marino omnibusque s.p.d.
> >
> > Please, all; read this.
>
> Nope, I got to the part where you called me a coward and that did it.
>
> > Stop hiding in cowardice.
>
> I'll meet you, anywhere you want, to settle this once and for all.
> Either that, or you'll apologise right now and right here. Do you
> understand?
>
> I don't hide in cowardice.

Salve

so what we all are going to start the 3RD Civil War in NR in 12 less
then 10 years.
i may not always be with the side that TPTB are at this time.
But i think we should stop and wait a bit.
I think sulla was killed not as to how the law reads you guy that are
TPTB think it was ok.
I think you guys had a show trail last year you do not.
I will not talk on this again.
pax be with all.
Vale Marcus Conrlius Felix
Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
membership # 290 ( I was here in year 2)

>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.

As one of the students involved, I have to say that I found
Quintilianus' announcement not completely correct.

After the server went down in December, Tullia Scholastica's already
huge workload increased, because it's very different to hold courses
within an automated framework, like AT, and to hold them by email.

None of the students have received any information on when courses
were expected to resume, nor did we get any apologies or explanations.
Apparently Scholastica wasn't kept up to date either, because she
could never give us this information.

OK, the courses are free, so there's little ground for complaint (you
get what you pay for), but at least a periodical update on the
situation on this list would have been a nice gesture.

Optime valete,
Livia

>
> > A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae

voluntatis,

> > praesertim linguae Latinae foventibus studentibusve S.P.D.
> >
> > My comments are interleaved; this announcement was hardly

unexpected.

> >
> >
> > RENVNTIATIO PRAESCRIPTORIS IV ACADEMIAE THVLES
> >
> > ANNOUNCEMENT BY
> > the Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
> >
> > By the power invested in me as the Praescriptor of the Academia

Thules and

> > after consultation with the Rector and the Board of directors I

hereby, with

> > immidiate execution, dimiss Aula Tullia Scholastica from the

Academia Staff

> > and as a praeceptor of the Academia Thules and do not prolong any

of her

> > assignments within the Academia Thules.
> >
> > ATS: All that this means is 1) the Academia Thules no longer

has a

> > classics faculty, in concert with the absence of course materials

for ANY

> > courses due to the extreme problems with the dead course server;

and 2) those

> > students currently enrolled in Latin courses for which they

registered at the

> > Academia may not receive credit for them. Inasmuch as I promised

them that I

> > would report their marks to the Academia so that they could

receive credit,

> > this is a violation of their trust in the Academia and its

administration. If

> > the Academia cared about the students, they would have waited

until the end of

> > the academic year for this nonsense; after all, one course will

complete its

> > instructional program in about two weeks, and the others will

likely end in a

> > couple of months. However, tempers flared, and as happens all

too often in

> > such cases, good sense got lost in the shuffle, to the detriment

of the

> > students, not me.
> >
> >
> > Although she at times have handle a huged work load, she has

shown no loyalty

> > towards the Academia and its leadership and no ability to work in

a team.

> >
> > ATS: Yes, I have a huge course load. I was loyal to the

Academia as long

> > as that was possible. Avitus and I are not subservient doormats

to be treated

> > as such, our suggestions ignored or shot down, our abilities

unappreciated,

> > etc., etc. I have been working as a team insofar as it was

possible amid the

> > lack of information about the mortally-wounded course server and

other issues.

> >
> >
> > She has further publicly talked about the grades of students and

the

> > performance of individual students,
> >
> > ATS: Translation: I publicly congratulated students who

completed the

> > intermediate Latin courses. They deserve public recognition for

this

> > accomplishment. It is not easy, especially for an adult, to

complete a course

> > anywhere near as demanding as our Latin courses are. Perhaps,

too, I urged

> > one to get her work in on time...dreadful crimes, those.
> >
> >
> > something that to most professional teachers in itself is a

disgrace and

> > motivates dismissal. Inshort our patience with this individual

has come to an

> > end after years of internal and (forced) public efforts to

correct her

> > behavior.
> >
> > After her latest outburst in the Senate against the Acadenia and

its Rector,

> > which was formost based on misunderstandings and guesses,
> >
> > ATS: There was no outburst, simply honest remarks about a

topic on the

> > agenda.
> >
> >
> > it is hard to remember all the good she has done, Still it is

true that people

> > are complicated, and as many of us Scholastica has good sides

too. She just

> > seems impossible to work with, at least in the Academia.
> >
> > ATS: Indeed, Avitus and I have found it quite difficult to

work with

> > Saturninus, who seems quite intransigent. There are, however,

other fish in

> > the sea; no prospective student should feel that Latin courses

will no longer

> > be offered by me and/or Avitus; we will see to it that they are,

by whatever

> > means necessary. No one else is authorized to use our course

materials. It

> > would be in the Academia¹s best interest, and that of the

students, to rescind

> > this announcement pending the completion of the academic year so

that the

> > students can receive credit for their courses. To do otherwise

is a violation

> > of student trust, and student rights. You may not like it that I

am

> > conducting the courses apart from your umbrella, but the failure

of the server

> > coupled with other matters forced that, and forced me to separate

myself from

> > you. You are too late to remove me; I removed myself after

winter break, and

> > continued with the academia only so that the students would

receive the credit

> > they will have earned at the successful completion of their

courses. A good

> > many probably do not care about that, but for those who do, you

should allow

> > them that opportunity. It is their right.
> >
> > Privatim: Caeca, amica, I received your note on this, but

your ISP is

> > currently treating posts from mine as spam, so my reply to you

about sodalitas

> > membership bounced. Perhaps you could inform them that my ISP is

better than

> > its reputation seems to be at times.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *****************
> > Vale
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
> >
> > Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
> > Civis Romanus sum
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
> > ************************************************
> > Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> > "I'll either find a way or make one"
> > ************************************************
> > Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> > Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
> > ************************************************
> > Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
> > Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
> >
> >
> > ===============
> >
> >
> > Valete.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Salve,
Thank you for following in the steps of the ancients.
I have been attempting to do the same.
In ancient Rome if something like this had happened we would be
consulting the priests, asking for auguries and haurispces.
May the Gods smiles and bless Nova Roma and all her citizens

Di vos incolumes custodiant.
G.I.N.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve,
>
> Grátiás tibi ago
>
> Vale
> Julia Aquila
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina
> <violetphearsen@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <<--- On Sat, 2/28/09, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus cn.caelius@>
> wrote:
> >  
> > Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Pontificibus omnibusque s.p.d.
> >
> > Let's step back from laws, lawsuits, character flaws, and the

like

> for a moment and ask a question:  Have the gods been consulted on
> this matter of Sulla and Cato? Have they been asked their opinions
> and wishes? Will they be consulted? Are they ever consulted?
> > Pontifices et Sacerdotes? Comments?>>
> >  
> > Well I am glad someone bothered to ask this question.
> > Makes it a little easier for me to post this.
> >  
> > As I read everyone's comments yesterday about Cato and Sulla, I
> felt an uneasiness. So this morning, I made special prayers to
> Vesta, the Heart of ancient Rome and so, too, of Nova Roma. I asked
> Her why She has stirred these uneasy feelings deep within me? My
> feelings of uneasiness did not stop; quite the opposite, they
> intensified.
> > I decided to burn sage in the fire I now keep lit 24/7 in my new
> hearth. Sage was sacred to the ancient Romans, so I thought it

would

> be a good choice.
> > When I thought on Cato and burned the sage, I was not uneasy.
> > When I thought on Sulla and burned the sage, I was very uneasy.
> > I ask Vesta why this was so. I then prayed and mediated

for almost

> an hour.
> > Now I will tell you that I did not read Sulla's post on his
> decision until after I had done this. He can make the most

convincing

> of arguments, but the Gods see beyond mere words.
> > It is my belief that Vesta and the other Gods and Goddesses of

Rome

> are severely displeased that anyone should resort to the use of

legal

> force to press his will upon Nova Roma. It sets a dangerous

precedent.

> > I beg all those involved in this decision to reconsider.
> > As for Sulla, his words are tarnished by his actions.
> >  
> > So say I, Maxima Valeria Messallina, Sacerdos Vestalis of Nova

Roma.

> >
>

 A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.

As one of the students involved, I have to say that I found
Quintilianus' announcement not completely correct.

    ATS:  It isn’t correct in a number of respects, nor are some comments in curia and elsewhere by more than one party.  

After the server went down in December, Tullia Scholastica's already
huge workload increased, because it's very different to hold courses
within an automated framework, like AT, and to hold them by email.

    ATS:  Indeed it is, and even to hold them by Yahoo list is not easy, particularly since Yahoo evidently hates Spanish, and will not accept the text translations into Spanish.  Guess what that means?  

None of the students have received any information on when courses
were expected to resume, nor did we get any apologies or explanations.
Apparently Scholastica wasn't kept up to date either, because she
could never give us this information.

    ATS:  Of course not; I cannot give what I do not have.  Plauta, one has to understand the mindset at the AT:  in the eyes of the administration at least, it is a secret society, perhaps something like the Masons, where no one except for a chosen few is allowed to know what is going on.  Perhaps it is necessary to be a male Scandinavian RR practitioner; I was the only woman there, and that seems to have proven troublesome.  I didn’t know the secret handshake or have the decoder ring.  It has been almost impossible to extract any information about the health of the server (or anything else), and most recently the majority of that appeared in curia because I dared to mention this in the context of an agenda item, as is quite proper to do.   That, of course, brought about the usual reward.  

OK, the courses are free, so there's little ground for complaint (you
get what you pay for), but at least a periodical update on the
situation on this list would have been a nice gesture.

    ATS:  It certainly would be nice, now wouldn’t it?  The faculty and students are the last to know anything which concerns them, and now the latter apparently won’t even be allowed to obtain the credit they will have earned at the end of the course if they pass the exams.  No sensible institution dismisses a teacher in the middle of a course, but that is just a sample of the none-so-high regard with which faculty and students are held by certain parties.  Avitus should have been paid a couple of million bucks for the amount of work he did for them, and I wouldn’t have minded a good bit less for devoting four years of my life to the academia and its students...but we rarely got a good word from the administration, not even a word of thanks.  The students thanked me, not the administration.  

    Many and various are the places where no good deed goes unpunished.  We’ve just seen a fine example of this.  

    

Optime valete,
Livia

Optime vale, et valete.  


>
> >  A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae
voluntatis,
> > praesertim linguae Latinae foventibus studentibusve S.P.D.
> >
> >     My comments are interleaved; this announcement was hardly
unexpected.
> >  
> >
> > RENVNTIATIO PRAESCRIPTORIS IV ACADEMIAE THVLES
> >
> > ANNOUNCEMENT BY
> > the Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
> >
> > By the power invested in me as the Praescriptor of the Academia
Thules and
> > after consultation with the Rector and the Board of directors I
hereby, with
> > immidiate execution, dimiss Aula Tullia Scholastica from the
Academia Staff
> > and as a praeceptor of the Academia Thules and do not prolong any
of her
> > assignments within the Academia Thules.
> >
> >     ATS:  All that this means is 1) the Academia Thules no longer
has a
> > classics faculty, in concert with the absence of course materials
for ANY
> > courses due to the extreme problems with the dead course server;
and 2) those
> > students currently enrolled in Latin courses for which they
registered at the
> > Academia may not receive credit for them.  Inasmuch as I promised
them that I
> > would report their marks to the Academia so that they could
receive credit,
> > this is a violation of their trust in the Academia and its
administration.  If
> > the Academia cared about the students, they would have waited
until the end of
> > the academic year for this nonsense; after all, one course will
complete its
> > instructional program in about two weeks, and the others will
likely end in a
> > couple of months.   However, tempers flared, and as happens all
too often in
> > such cases, good sense got lost in the shuffle, to the detriment
of the
> > students, not me.
> >     
> >
> > Although she at times have handle a huged work load, she has
shown no loyalty
> > towards the Academia and its leadership and no ability to work in
a team.
> >
> >     ATS:  Yes, I have a huge course load.  I was loyal to the
Academia as long
> > as that was possible.  Avitus and I are not subservient doormats
to be treated
> > as such, our suggestions ignored or shot down, our abilities
unappreciated,
> > etc., etc.  I have been working as a team insofar as it was
possible amid the
> > lack of information about the mortally-wounded course server and
other issues.
> >
> >
> > She has further publicly talked about the grades of students and
the
> > performance of individual students,
> >
> >     ATS:  Translation:  I publicly congratulated students who
completed the
> > intermediate Latin courses.  They deserve public recognition for
this
> > accomplishment.  It is not easy, especially for an adult, to
complete a course
> > anywhere near as demanding as our Latin courses are.  Perhaps,
too, I urged
> > one to get her work in on time...dreadful crimes, those.
> >
> >
> > something that to most professional teachers in itself is a
disgrace and
> > motivates dismissal. Inshort our patience with this individual
has come to an
> > end after years of internal and (forced) public efforts to
correct her
> > behavior.
> >
> > After her latest outburst in the Senate against the Acadenia and
its Rector,
> > which was formost based on misunderstandings and guesses,
> >
> >     ATS:  There was no outburst, simply honest remarks about a
topic on the
> > agenda.  
> >
> >
> > it is hard to remember all the good she has done, Still it is
true that people
> > are complicated, and as many of us Scholastica has good sides
too. She just
> > seems impossible to work with, at least in the Academia.
> >
> >     ATS:  Indeed, Avitus and I have found it quite difficult to
work with
> > Saturninus, who seems quite intransigent.  There are, however,
other fish in
> > the sea; no prospective student should feel that Latin courses
will no longer
> > be offered by me and/or Avitus; we will see to it that they are,
by whatever
> > means necessary.  No one else is authorized to use our course
materials.  It
> > would be in the Academia’s best interest, and that of the
students, to rescind
> > this announcement pending the completion of the academic year so
that the
> > students can receive credit for their courses.  To do otherwise
is a violation
> > of student trust, and student rights.  You may not like it that I
am
> > conducting the courses apart from your umbrella, but the failure
of the server
> > coupled with other matters forced that, and forced me to separate
myself from
> > you.  You are too late to remove me; I removed myself after
winter break, and
> > continued with the academia only so that the students would
receive the credit
> > they will have earned at the successful completion of their
courses.  A good
> > many probably do not care about that, but for those who do, you
should allow
> > them that opportunity.  It is their right.
> >
> >     Privatim:  Caeca, amica, I received your note on this, but
your ISP is
> > currently treating posts from mine as spam, so my reply to you
about sodalitas
> > membership bounced.  Perhaps you could inform them that my ISP is
better than
> > its reputation seems to be at times.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> > *****************
> > Vale
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
> >
> > Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
> > Civis Romanus sum
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
> > ************************************************
> > Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> > "I'll either find a way or make one"
> > ************************************************
> > Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> > Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
> > ************************************************
> > Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
> > Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
> >
> >
> > ===============
> >
> >
> > Valete.  
> >
> >  
> >
> >   
> >
>

Praetor Memmius omnibus s.d.

I add my voice to the message cast by my colleague Equitius Marinus.

Let us *all* respect our Concordalia day. Even if a topic has been
launched before this day and needs in your mind, especially because
you are/feel directly concerned, a reply, keep your answer in
the "pocket of your stola/toga" today. Life will go on tomorrow.

Keep away from the forum, think about yourself, your family, your
relatives and our republic, and our everyone of us involvement in
it. :-) Look at the sky, hear the first songs of the bird, the coming
of spring...

Our forum does not really need any of our individual opinions on this
special day. Concordalia is more important than our individual
satisfactions. ;-)

Valete bene omnes, et familia,


P. Memmius Albucius
praetor





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete quirites,
>
> It being after midnight in Rome, the Concordialia has begun.

Please

> remind yourself of the solemnety of the occasion by reading

Pontifex

> Lentulus' words below. In particular, note that:
>
> > Nova Roma has to be a peaceful place with noble emotions. The

day

> > is auspicious: no bad word is permitted to be pronounced.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
>
> "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> writes:
>
> > Cn. Lentulus pontifex, scriba aedilis curulis omnibus Quiritibus

s. p. d.

> >
> >
> > The celebration of the 11th birthday of Nova Roma will start
> > tomorrow, and the Nova Roman Games will last 11 days

commemorating

> > each year of our existence.
> >
> > Worship Goddess Concordia whom we need in our Republic and

prepare

> > yourselves to the celebration.
> >
> > Tomorrow Nova Roma has to be a peaceful place with noble

emotions.

> > The day is auspicious: no bad word is permitted to be pronounced.
> >
> > I ask the consuls and/or the praetors to perform sacrifices on
> > behalf of the republic, I ask the same thing from all of our

priests

> > and priestesses.
> >
> > No bad words be pronounced!
> >
> > Sacred day comes.
> >
> >
> > CVRATE VT VALEATIS NOVI QVIRITES!
>

Cato omnibusque in foro SPD

Salvete!

Here's an interesting bit about a temple to Concordia:

"He [Gnaeus Flavius, a curule aedile] made public the legal forms and
processes which had been hidden away in the closets of the pontiffs;
he exhibited a calendar written on whitened boards in the Forum, on
which were marked the days on which legal proceedings were allowed; to
the intense disgust of the nobility he dedicated the temple of Concord
on the Vulcanal. At this function the Pontifex Maximus, Cornelius
Barbatus, was compelled by the unanimous voice of the people to recite
the usual form of devotion in spite of his insistence that in
accordance with ancestral usage none but a consul or a commander-in-
chief could dedicate a temple. It was in consequence of this that the
Senate authorised a measure to be submitted to the people providing
that no one should presume to dedicate a temple or an altar without
being ordered to do so by the Senate or by a majority of the tribunes
of the plebs." - Livy, History of Rome IX.46

There's all kinds of fascinating stuff in just this one paragraph.

First, Cn. Flavius was the first (in 304 BC) to publish the calendar
so that the People could see it, called the Ius Flavianum. This
calendar also described the legis actiones, or verbal formulas
required to maintain legal proceedings, and the dies fasti, or
specified days on which proceedings could be instituted. He had
learned all this as secretary to Appius Claudius Caecus, who served as
consul and censor (and who, by the way, built the "queen of highways",
the Appian Way). Previous to this, only the pontiffs an patricians
had access to the calendar; now, everyone could see what day it was
and what was allowed and not allowed, legally.

Second, we see that the "voice of the people" caused an change in the
way things were done - a change in the mos maiorum. The Pontifex
Maximus Cornelius Barbatus tried to refuse to dedicate Gn. Flavius'
temple to Concordia saying that it wasn't proper - that it went
against an ancient practice. The people said, "we don't care, we want
this temple", and the PM was obliged to obey them. The mos maiorum was
not a block of stone, a rigid, inflexible road-block, but was rather
bent and shaped according to the will of the people as circumstances
demanded.

Third, we see that, in order to change the law so that who could or
could not dedicate a temple was made clear, the Senate was obliged to
submit a new law "to the people".

Valete!

Cato

Cato "ACC" omnibusque in foro SPD

Salve et salvete.

ACC, would you mind writing out your name so we can address you
properly?

Anyways, I am all for it, BUT it needs to be done carefully and in a
certain way, to protect us as a corporation.

I explained earlier that the very first step must be a separation of
the Constitution of Nova Roma from the bylaws of the Corporation.

This can only be done by using the method that is outlined in our
laws. It needs to be written up as legislation and submitted to the
praetors, consuls or tribunes for presentation to the proper comitia,
as detailed in the lex Moravia de suffragiis in comitiis plebis
tributis et ratione comitiorum plebis tributorum and the lex Fabia de
ratione comitiorum populi tributorum.

Vale et valete,

Cato

M. Curiatius Complutensis Consul omnibus S·P·D·


In toga praetexta, cinto Gabino and ad capite velato on behalf of the
res publica of Nova Roma and joint with my collega Consul Severus and
both Praetores I began the prayers and sacrifice to dea Concordia


Praefatio


"Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae [Father Ianus, by
offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be
willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma." I
placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti
sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae [Iuppiter
Best and Greatest, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers,
so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People
of Nova Roma." I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae [Goddess Iuno, by
offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be
willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma." I
placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Minerva Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae [Goddess Minerva, by
offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be
willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma." I
placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae [Father Mars, by
offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be
willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]" I
placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae [Father Quirinus,
by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be
willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]" I
placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus
of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene
precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter Best
and Greatest, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I
poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you
the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be
honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of the
altar.

"Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Minerva, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on
the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering to
you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this
be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of
the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on
the focus of the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

"Dea Concordia Dea, fons felix pacis amicitiaeque nostrae, quae in mente
communi omnes Romanos consociat, quae post caedem tribunorum
sacrosanctorum Senatum ad templum exstruendum coegit ut concordia
ordinum redintegretur, tibi fieri oportet culignam vini dapi, eius rei
ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto [Goddess Concordia, fortunate font
of our peace and friendship, who unites all Romans in a common purpose,
who after the murder of sacrosanct tribunes compelled the Senate to
erect a temple to restore the concord of the orders, to you it is proper
for a cup of wine to be given, for the sake of this thing may you be
honoured by this feast offering]." I poured a libation on the focus of
the altar.

Again I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

"Concordia Dea, fons felix pacis amicitiaeque nostrae, macte istace dape
pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Concordia, fortunate
font of our peace and friendship, may you be honoured by this feast
offering, may you be honoured by the humble wine.]" I offered Concordia
cakes and wine on the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on
the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering to
you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this
be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of
the altar.

"Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Minerva, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on
the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you
the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be
honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of the
altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus
of the altar.

"Vesta Dea, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Vesta,
guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured
a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Illicet"

I profaned wine and cakes, and I partook of the epulum with Concordia,
praying as I ate and offering libations in my private devotions.

"Concordia Dea, si quidquam tibi in hac aut ulla caerimonia displicet,
hoc ture veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Goddess Concordia, if
anything in this or any ceremony is displeasing to you, with this
incense I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I offered incense on
the focus of the altar.

"Concordia Dea, si quidquam tibi in hac aut ulla caerimonia displicet,
his libis veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Goddess Concordia, if
anything in this or any ceremony is displeasing to you, with these cakes
I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I offered cakes on the focus
of the altar.

"Concordia Dea, si quidquam tibi in hac aut ulla caerimonia displicet,
hoc folio laureo veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Goddess Concordia, if
anything in this or any ceremony is displeasing to you, with this leaf
of laurel I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I offered a leaf of
laurel on the focus of the altar.

"Concordia Dea, si quidquam tibi in hac aut ulla caerimonia displicet,
his stirpibus croci veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Goddess Concordia,
if anything in this or any ceremony is displeasing to you, with these
shoots of saffron I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I offered
stalks of saffron on the focus of the altar.

"Concordia Dea, si quidquam tibi in hac aut ulla caerimonia displicet,
hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Goddess Concordia, if
anything in this or any ceremony is displeasing to you, with this humble
wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I poured a libation on
the focus of the altar.

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum, gentilibus, Quiritibus, et
omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Dea Iuno vos porrigat opitula.

Undecimum Annum Anniversum Novae Romae bonum faustum felicem!

Hodie est Martias Kalendas; haec dies nefastus est: DIE QUINTI TE
KALO, IUNO COVELLA: matronae celebrabant, quod eo die Junonis Lucinae
aedes coli coepta erat.

This is the First Day of the New Year of the Roman Religious Calendar
as it was established by Rex Numa Pompilius. The laurels of the
Flamines are now replaced, having stood all year, fresh laurels are
fixed on the door of the Rex Sacrorum in the Regia and for the Curiae
Veteres, at the home of the Curio Magister and all of the shrines of
the Curiae, and we assume as well at the homes of all the curiones as
all the flamines Curiales are attested. The sacred laurel was used
to ward off evil from all those who entered the houses, including the
Great Houses of the Gods (Geoponica 11.2). In front of the sacrarium
of Mars, located at the Regia, there stood two laurel trees (Julius
Obsequens, Prodigiorum 19). These sacred trees were dedicated to Mars
and it is thought that they supplied the boughs of laurel that were
used on this day to protect the temples and homes of the sacerdotes.

On this day, too, laurel wreaths are affixed to the Aedes Vestae and
the Sacred Fire of Vesta is ritually extinguished. The hands of the
Vestales are then whipped by the Pontifex Maximus before they begin
to rekindle the flame, using.a fire drill and a block of wood made
from one of the felices arbores. (Macr. Sat. 1.12.6; Ovid, Fasti
3.137-144).


AUC 374 / 379 BCE: Dedication of the Temple of Juno Lucina on the
Esquiline Hill

Juno Lucina was said to have received Her name from the sacred grove
on the Esquiline where Her temple was eventually built. That is, that
Lucina was derived from 'locus'. In front of Her temple there
remained a lotus tree, the second oldest in the City. The oldest
lotus tree was called the Capillata, from the Vestales hanging locks
of their hair from its limbs as an offering [Pliny, N. H. 16.85
(235)]. New brides were brought to the sacred grove of Lucina where
they were purified in order to make them fertile. As at the
Lupercalia, this purification ritual involved whipping the bride

A grove below the Esquiline Hill, untouched
For many years, was sacred to great Juno.
When they had gathered there, husbands and wives
Bowed their knees, alike, in supplication,
And suddenly the tree tops moved and trembled,
And the goddess spoke strange words in her grove:
`Let the sacred he-goat pierce the Italian wives'.
The crowd stood, terrified, at the troubling words.
There was an augur (his name is lost with the years,
But he had lately arrived, an exile from Tuscany),
He killed a he-goat and, at his command, the wives
Offered their backs, to be beaten by thongs from its hide.
When the moon renewed her horns in her tenth orbit,
The husband became a father, and the wife a mother.
Thanks be to Lucina! Goddess you took that name
From the grove (lucus), or as yours is the source of light (lucis).
Gracious Lucina, spare women heavy with child, I beg you,
And bring the ripe burden tenderly from the womb.
~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2.435-452

The cultus Iunonis Lucinae was said to have been introduced by Rex
Titus Tatius, with Her grove near the sixth shrine of the Argei
(Varro, LL v.49-50, 74; Dionys 4.1.5). Servius Tullius later ordered
that gifts for new-born children should be offered into the treasury
of Juno Lucina's templum, traditionally a coin, and it was here that
records were kept of all births in the City (Dionys 4.1.5).


: Matronalia :

The festival of Matronalia did not come from the dedication of
Lucina's temple. Rather it refers to the custom of husbands giving
gifts to their wives on this the first day of the New Year. Roman
men would also serve their female slaves on this day. With marriages
commonly taking place in the latter half of June, a new bride might
be expected to be in her tenth moon by 1 March, which could explain
the Matronalia. And if she was not, that might explain her visit to
Juno Lucina's grove on 1 March to ensure her fertility.


Since today is Matronalia and the dies natalis of the Temple of Juno
Lucina, as well as the first day of the month of Mars, a late
tradition perhaps celebrated today as the birthday of Mars. There
does not seem to be any knowledge of this among Classical authors.
Ovid instead places the birth of Mars on 2 May, which is when he
tells the story of how Juno became pregnant from a lily, assisted by
Flora. The only evidence of today being thought the birthday of Mars
is an annotation on the calendar of Philocratus, Mars natalis. But
this might easily have referred to the dedication date of some temple
of Mars.


AUC 538 / 215 BCE The sacred Grove of Juno at Croton

"Six miles away from this famous city (Croton), on a promontory there
was the temple dedicated to Juno Lacinia, a building more famous even
than the city itself and held in veneration to all the surrounding
communities. There was a grove here enclosed by dense forest and
lofty fir-trees, in the middle of which there was a glade affording
delightful pasture. In this glade cattle of every kind, sacred to the
Goddess, used to feed without any one to look after them, and at
nightfall the different herds separated each to their own stalls
without any beasts of prey lying in wait for them or any human hands
to steal them. These cattle were a source of great profit, and a
column of solid gold was made from the money thus gained and
dedicated to the Goddess. Thus the temple became celebrated for its
wealth as well as for its sanctity, and as generally happens in these
famous spots, some miracles also were attributed to it. It was
commonly reported that an altar stood in the porch of the temple, the
ashes on which were never stirred by any wind." ~ Titus Livius 24.3


Our thought for today is from Stobaeus, Ethical Sentences 47.

"It is not possible for a horse to be governed without bridle, nor
riches without prudence."

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
<fororom@...> wrote:

>
> > A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae

voluntatis,

> > praesertim linguae Latinae foventibus studentibusve S.P.D.
> >
> > My comments are interleaved; this announcement was hardly

unexpected.

> >
> >

> > She has further publicly talked about the grades of students and the
> > performance of individual students,
> >
> > ATS: Translation: I publicly congratulated students who

completed the

> > intermediate Latin courses. They deserve public recognition for this
> > accomplishment. It is not easy, especially for an adult, to

complete a course

> > anywhere near as demanding as our Latin courses are. Perhaps,

too, I urged

> > one to get her work in on time...dreadful crimes, those.
> >

This is a lie. Quoting from this forum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/49920



"...apparently you have misunderstood my Latin, which is not intended
for the elementary level at which you remain, and will remain so long
as you keep dropping Latin classes as soon as they get beyond what you
have already managed to learn. By now you must have started Avitus¹
class three or four times, and mine as well, plus Scaurus¹ one which
preceded mine and the so-called intensive one at your university, all
of which you dropped."



This is just one concrete example of many of the abuse of position
that Senator Quintilianus mentioned, but only one is needed to show
the lie.

MLA

T. Iulius Sabinus, pontifex, sacerdos Mercuri, proconsul Daciae:
magistratibus, Senatui Populoque Novo Romano, civibus Novae Romae,
quiritibus et peregrinibus: salutem plurimam dicit:

Undecimum Annum Anniversum Novae Romae bonum faustum felicem!

Today, the day of 11th Nova Roma anniversary, I performed a
sacrifice to Mercurius. I have worshiped Mercurius to obtain his
benevolence, praying Him to be willingly propitious with us and to
protect us against the negative effects of the current economical
crisis.
My thoughts were directed to all of us and my hope is as Mercurius
to receive well the prayers and the sacrifice and take care about
our jobs, businesses and investments, travels safety and bless us
with fortune in the time will come.

This was the ritual:

Favéte linguís!

(Beginning of the sacrifice)

PRAEFATIO:

Mercuri,
té hóc túre commovendó bonás precés precor,
uti sies volens propitius Populó Novó Rómánó Quirítibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Incense was placed in the focus of the altar.)

Mercuri,
uti té túre commovendó bonás precés precátus sum,
eiusdem reí ergó macté vínó inferió estó!"

(Libation of wine was made.)

PRECATIO:

Mercuri,
hóc die anniversárió undecimo Novae Rómae conditae,
té precor, quaesóque:
uti Rem Publicam Populí Noví Rómání Quirítium
confirmés, augeás, adiúvés;
utíque divitiae, opes, fortunae Populí Noví Rómání Quirítium
hóc annó anniversárií undecimi Novae Rómae conditae
créscant et convaléscant;
utíque sies volens propitius
nóbis pontificibus, senatui populóque Novó Rómánó,
consulibus, praetóribus, cénsóribus, aedílibus,
quaestóribus, tribúnís plébis, omnibus cívibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!

SACRIFICIUM:

Quárum rérum ergó macté
hóc vínó libandó,
hóc túre ommovendó
estó fító volens propitius
hóc annó anniversárií undecimi Novae Rómae conditae
populó Novó Rómánó Quirítibus,
nóbis, domibus, familiís!

(Libation of wine was made and incense was sacrificed)

Ílicet!

(End of the sacrifice)

PIACULUM:
Iáne,
Mercuri,
Iuppiter, Iúnó, Minerva,
Concordia, Omnés Dí Immortálés:
sí quid vóbis in hác caerimóniá displicuit,
hóc vínó inferió veniam petó
et vitium meum expió.

(Libation of wine was made.)
----------------------------

I remind you the web address of the Aedes Mercuri, where you can
post your prayers:
http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/Temple-of-Mercurius.htm

Salve Claudio,

Kudos to you.Well done.I hope all will agree.Thank you for your work.

Vale,
Ap.Galerius Aurelianus

--- On Sun, 3/1/09, Avv. Claudio Guzzo <claudio.guzzo@...> wrote:

> From: Avv. Claudio Guzzo <claudio.guzzo@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] templa
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 3:23 AM
> Salve.
> I've found a land in Roma (Appia) mq. 9.750.
> The price is E. 40.000.
> Vale.
> ACC

Me neither.. Im in till the wheels come off


On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:19:30 -0600
"C. Stricklin" <stricklin_c@...> wrote:

> Salvete,
>
>
> I for one will never leave Nova Roma. Long Live the Senate.
>
>
>
>
> T. Ovidius Aquila

BB,
Warrior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo"
<claudio.guzzo@...> wrote:

>
> Salve.
> I've found a land in Roma (Appia) mq. 9.750.
> The price is E. 40.000.
> Vale.
> ACC
>

so that somewhere about $51,000 USD

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo"
<claudio.guzzo@...> wrote:

>
> Salve.
> Roma can't be a "modern" state.
> To abolish the entire Nova Roma's "Constitution", please write
> YES
> Vale!
> ACC
>

?!?
Salve
the NR Constitution is not modern .
and till we have a Mos , we will need a "Constitution"
so again I ask you , what are you talking about.
vale
Marcus Cornelius Felix
Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

Cato Cornelio Felico sal.

Salve Felix.

We certainly don't need a "Constitution". I wrote a long post
detailing why a couple of days ago.

Vale,

Cato

> ?!?
> Salve
> the NR Constitution is not modern .
> and till we have a Mos , we will need a "Constitution"
> so again I ask you , what are you talking about.
> vale
> Marcus Cornelius Felix
> Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
>

CN CORNELIUS LENTULUS : PONTIFEX : SACERDOS CONCORDIAE : QUIRITIBUS : S P D


Salvete et avete, Novi Romani Quirites!


Vivat Nova Roma!


This day is when everything was started - because of which we can be here: today, 11 years ago, Nova Roma was founded, a nation was born.

This nation wants a common goal: to restore Rome. But to this goal, we have to work efficiently, cooperatively, with united force, common spirit, with one will and one faith. Therefore we chose to worship Goddes Concordia, the Goddess of the Nova Roman People's Concord - She is whom we need first and foremost in this 11-years-old Republic.

Citizens of Nova Roma... I know we have many conflicts, frustrations, anger, pain. But we are still here: so we still want something with each other. We want Rome to revive. The way we have been walked and which caused these infinite flame wars isn't viable any more. It failed. From now, we must start thinking about each other as friends and comrades if we really want anything with this association. Our new way cannot be other than the way of cohesion and concordance. This day is here to remind you of that. This is the message of Concordialia: our new beginning.

Below you can find the texts of the ceremony and the rituals. The "Carmen Decennale" and the "Concordialia Hymn" by Ullerius Ventor, our dearest poet. Let's thank him again for these beautiful verses!



1. SACRIFICE TO CONCORDIA POPULI NOVI ROMANI QUIRITIUM


Favete linguis!

(Beginning of the sacrifice.)

PRAEFATIO

Dea Concordia,
Concordia Novae Romae,
Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,
Concordia deorum et mortalium,
Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
hisce Kalendis Martiis anni decimi Novae Romae conditae,
hoc die festivissimo et sanctissimo Novae Romae conditae,
te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, mihi, domo, familiae!

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

Dea Concordia,
Concordia Novae Romae,
Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,
Concordia deorum et mortalium,
Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto!"

(Libation of wine is made.)

PRECATIO

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
Concordia Novae Romae,
Concordia deorum et mortalium,
Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
fortitudo et firmitas nostra,
hisce Kalendis Martiis anni undecimi Novae Romae conditae,
hoc die festivissimo et sanctissimo quo Nova Roma condita est,
te precor, veneror, quaesoque obtestorque:
uti pacem concordiamque constantem societati Novae Romae tribuas;
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
omnibusque discordiis liberes;
utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
atque hoc anno anniversario undecimo Novae Romae conditae convalescat;
atque pax et concordia, salus et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat, utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hoc anno decimo Novae Romae eventus bonos faustosque esse siris; utique sies volens propitia
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

SACRIFICIUM

Sicut verba nuncupavi,
quaeque ita faxis,
uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte
hoc libo libando,
hoc vino lacte melleque mixto libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitia
et hoc anno anniversario undecimo Novae Romae conditae et semper
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Libation of libum and wine is made and incense is sacrificed.)

REDDITIO

Dea Concordia,
Concordia Novae Romae,
Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,
Concordia deorum et mortalium,
Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te ture commovendo et vino libando bonas preces bene precatus sum, earundem rerum ergo macte vino inferio esto!

(Libation of wine is made)

Ilicet!

(End of the sacrifice.)

PIACULUM

Iane,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Iuppiter Optime Maxmime,
Iuno, Minerva,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet,
hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio.

(Libation of wine is made.)



CARMEN DECENNALE
by St. Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus

"Rome To New Rome"

Rome
People
Of seven hills
Of river’s side and farmer’s field
Pastoral folk
Became
More

Men
Of clans
Did form their tribes
To secure land and folkways, too
Chose their leaders
Made laws
Thrived

Gods
Looked down
Upon this place
Gave Their notice and lent an ear
To voices raised
In praise
Clear

World
Became
Aware of Rome
Their wealth, their aims, their strength of arm
Some opposed them
Others
Not

Years
Did pass
And history
Saw rise of Rome and then a fall
When city slept
Paused for
Time

Dark
Was called
This dreaming time
As world wore on and learned again
To climb to light
Clearly
See

Fresh
Eyes looked
Upon the past
Felt in their hearts a call to build
Upon a base
Roman
Still

New
The thoughts
Set in motion
By stories old, traditions proud
Philosophies
Virtues
Too

Full
Ten years
Have passed by since
The work begun; build Rome anew
With high hopes and
Faithful
Words

In
This work
Are many hands
Widespread across this world of ours
All bound by one
Ideal
Grand

More
Than this
The People grew
By gens and class, they took their names
They gave their thoughts
And their
Skills

To
Rebuild
Rome as place to be
To live, to grow, to celebrate
To write, to sing
Holy
Words

Like
The old
Ageless city
New Rome’s forum did welcome all
To come and join
Speak their
Piece

Men
Women
Have come and gone
Some quietly, others quite loud
They all made mark
They all
Helped

For
All did
In their own way
Show Roman pride and spirit bold
Filled the Annals
City’s
Tales

Few
Have been
The fallow days
Unfilled by strife, both good and bad
Any effort
Will make
Such

Now
We pause
To look at this
Nova Roma, our city fair
She’s still quite young
Promise
Filled




VIVAT NOVA ROMA ANNORUM XI!
VIVAT NOVA ROMA FELICITER!
CONCORDIA NOS ADIUVET!

LONG LIVE THE 11-YEARS-OLD NOVA ROMA!
MAY NOVA ROMA HAVE A GLORIOUS FUTURE!
MAY CONCORDIA BLESS US!


VALETE IN CONCORDIA, QUIRITES!


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
P O N T I F E X
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Praetoris P. Memmii Albucii
Scriba Censorum Ti. Galerii Paulini et C. Popillii Laenatis
Scriba Aedilis Curulis Cn. Iulii Caesaris
Scriba Rogatricis A. Tulliae Scholasticae
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------------------
Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae

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That's certainly affordable. Thanks so much Claudio Guzzo.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "vallenporter" <magewuffa@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo"
> <claudio.guzzo@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve.
> > I've found a land in Roma (Appia) mq. 9.750.
> > The price is E. 40.000.
> > Vale.
> > ACC
> >
> so that somewhere about $51,000 USD
>

It may not be cheap but it be in our Gods given land.
How many of our members actualy live out there?


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola"
<catullus.poeta@...> wrote:

>
> That's certainly affordable. Thanks so much Claudio Guzzo.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "vallenporter" <magewuffa@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo"
> > <claudio.guzzo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve.
> > > I've found a land in Roma (Appia) mq. 9.750.
> > > The price is E. 40.000.
> > > Vale.
> > > ACC
> > >
> > so that somewhere about $51,000 USD
> >
>

Salvete


I am interested in import some books this month, and i thought that perhaps my fellow novoromani could help me in selecting them. Do you have some these books? What is your opinion? Do you have suggestions to add to my list?

The books in my list about Rome are below (title,author):

1. Tiberius, Seager
2. Trajan, Bennett
3. Septimius Severus, Birley
4. Pompey (a biography, not the city), Seager
5. Scipio Africanus, Liddel Hart
6. The Grand Strategy of the Roman Empire, Luttwak
7. The Roman Triumph, Beard
8. Caesars Calendar, Feeney
9. Roman Empire, Rodgers
10. The Complete Roman Army, Goldsworthy
11. Cannae, Goldsworthy
12. The Gracchi, Marius and Sulla; Beesley
13. Rome's Greatest Defeat: Massacre in the Teutoburg Forest, Murdoch
14. The Fires of Vesuvius: Pompeii Lost and Found, Beard
15. Cicero, Everitt
16. The Great Battles of Antiquity; Boose, Gabriel
17. The Praetorship in the Roman Republic, Brennan

Of those, the ones that are more appealing to me are the 4. (a modern and detailed biography), 5. (a somewhat rare republican biography, about someone that is famous and unknown to me), and 7. (seems to be deep in detail).


Valete
Marcus Arminius


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Salvete omnes,

>
> It may not be cheap but it be in our Gods given land.
> How many of our members actualy live out there?
>

12 cives.

Valete,
Livia

>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola"
> <catullus.poeta@> wrote:
> >
> > That's certainly affordable. Thanks so much Claudio Guzzo.
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "vallenporter" <magewuffa@>

wrote:

> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo"
> > > <claudio.guzzo@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salve.
> > > > I've found a land in Roma (Appia) mq. 9.750.
> > > > The price is E. 40.000.
> > > > Vale.
> > > > ACC
> > > >
> > > so that somewhere about $51,000 USD
> > >
> >
>

In a message dated 3/1/2009 4:09:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, marminius@... writes:

6. The Grand Strategy of the Roman Empire, Luttwak

This is really dated.  I wouldn't consider it a reference work any more.

 

Q. Fabius Maximus

 

 

 

 

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Salve

Hum, indeed, a closer look reveals that it is from the seventies. I am targeting for more recent books. Another suggestion for Strategy or Grand-Strategy? Or about great battles, campaigns?

Vale
M.Arminius

--- Em dom, 1/3/09, QFabiusMaxmi@... <QFabiusMaxmi@...> escreveu:
marminius@yahoo. com.br writes:
6. The Grand Strategy of the Roman Empire, Luttwak

This is really dated.  I wouldn't consider it a reference work any more.
 
Q. Fabius Maximus


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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
> >
> > It may not be cheap but it be in our Gods given land.
> > How many of our members actualy live out there?
> >
> 12 cives.

Compared to how many in America?
Land in America would certainly be cheaper but it wouldnt be Roma

>
> Valete,
> Livia
>
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola"
> > <catullus.poeta@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's certainly affordable. Thanks so much Claudio Guzzo.
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "vallenporter" <magewuffa@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo"
> > > > <claudio.guzzo@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve.
> > > > > I've found a land in Roma (Appia) mq. 9.750.
> > > > > The price is E. 40.000.
> > > > > Vale.
> > > > > ACC
> > > > >
> > > > so that somewhere about $51,000 USD
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com

Yes and hile I beleiev the same we can't deny that the origional
seven hills that Romulus stood on should have some importance.




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
<cn.caelius@...> wrote:

>
> Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus scriptori s.p.d.
>
> >Land in America would certainly be cheaper but it wouldnt be Roma
>
> Nor was Rome until Romulus founded it. Is Rome a place, a

people, an idea, or a culture? I'm of the belief that wherever we
found physical communities of Romans, is Rome.

>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>

Salve 
 
Well said
 
Vale
 
Paulinus
 

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: cn.caelius@...
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:52:34 -0800
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: templa

Salvete Arminius

Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:09:34 AM, you wrote:

MAM> I am interested in import some books this month, and i thought
MAM> that perhaps my fellow novoromani could help me in selecting
MAM> them. Do you have some these books? What is your opinion? Do you
MAM> have suggestions to add to my list?
MAM>
MAM> The books in my list about Rome are below (title,author):

MAM> 2. Trajan, Bennett

I have this one, Trajan: Optimus Princeps. Its in the series Routledge
Imperial Biographies. I found it quite good (and the biography of Hadrian: the
Restless Emperor by Birley, even better).

MAM> 8. Caesars Calendar, Feeney

This one is on my 'to get' list.


--
M. Cocceius Firmus

Salve Ahenobarbe,

Thank you. That was graciously done. I accept fully and unreservedly.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> writes:

> Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Cn. Equitio Marino s.p.d.
>
>
> I wish to apologize to Gnaeus Equitius Marinus for my use of the
> term "cowardice" in my original message titled "Maybe The Rubicon
> Is Ahead". I got caught up in the tide of emotions and did not wait
> to post that nor did I edit it before posting. "Cowardice" was
> definitely the wrong term to use; it did not convey my meaning.
> Something along the lines of "Do not hide behind unwritten custom
> when people request answers about important matters" would have been
> more appropriate.
> When people do not agree, they do not agree. They must still
> respect one another, and because of that respect itself they can do
> amazing things. Marinus is no coward; many vouch for him. I've never
> seen him act as a coward, either. My words were a mistake, and I
> apologize.
> Di te ament custodiantque, Marine! Et di Novam Romam ament custodiantque!
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com

In a message dated 3/1/2009 5:39:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, marminius@... writes:

Hum, indeed, a closer look reveals that it is from the seventies. I am targeting for more recent books. Another suggestion for Strategy or Grand-Strategy? Or about great battles, campaigns?

The reader of Classics from UoG in Athens Ga, Susan Mattern, wrote an excellent theory on Roman strategy of the first and second century  ad called "Rome and the Enemy."  isbn 0-520-21166-9

 

For the late Republic "War & Imperialism in Republican Rome" by William Harris is still the standard, while the Punic Wars are covered excently by Brian Caven's "Punic Wars," which is basically synthesis of Lazenby's two volume set about the Punic Wars, without having to read the Greek and Latin footnotes.  If you can read Greek & Latin, Lazenby is recommended. 

 

Q. Fabius Maximus  

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M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et
omnibus salute plurimam dicit: Hercules felicitatem in nos impertiat

Hodie est ante diem VI Nonas Martias; haec dies comitialis est:

Romulus, Augur and Law-Giver

"It is said also that Romulus first introduced the consecration of
fire, and appointed holy virgins to guard it, called Vestals. Others
attribute this institution to Numa, although admitting that Romulus
was in other ways eminently religious, and they say further that he
was a diviner, and carried for purposes of divination the so called
lituus, a crooked staff with which those who take auguries from the
flight of birds mark out the regions of the heavens. This staff,
which was carefully preserved on the Palatine, is said to have
disappeared when the city was taken at the time of the Gallic
invasion; afterwards, however, when the Barbarians had been expelled,
it was found under deep ashes unharmed by the fire, although
everything about it was completely destroyed. He also enacted
certain laws, and among them one of severity, which forbids a wife to
leave her husband, but permits a husband to put away his wife for
using poisons, for substituting children, and for adultery; but if a
man for any other reason sends his wife away, the law prescribes that
half his substance shall belong to his wife, and the other half be
consecrate to Ceres; and whosoever puts away his wife, shall make a
sacrifice to the Gods of the lower world. It is also a peculiar
thing that Romulus ordained no penalty for parricides, but called all
murder parricide, looking upon one as abominable, and upon the other
as impossible. And for many ages his judgement of such a crime seemed
to have been right, for no one did any such deed at Rome for almost
six hundred years; but after the war with Hannibal, Lucius Hostius is
reported to have been the first parricide. So much, then, may suffice
concerning these matters." ~ Plutarch, Life of Romulus 22


"Among our ancestors nothing was done either publicly or privately
without first consulting the auspices." ~ Valerius Maximus 2.1.1


The First Augury at Rome

"Remus is said to have been the first to receive an omen: six
vultures appeared to him. The augury had just been announced to
Romulus when double the number appeared to him. Each was saluted as
king by his own party. The one side based their claim on the priority
of the appearance, the other on the number of the birds. Then
followed an angry altercation; heated passions led to bloodshed; in
the tumult Remus was killed. The more common report is that Remus
contemptuously jumped over the newly raised walls and was forthwith
killed by the enraged Romulus, who exclaimed, "So shall it be
henceforth with every one who leaps over my walls." Romulus thus
became sole ruler, and the city was called after him, its founder." ~
Titus Livius 1.7

"Why do they make most use of vultures in augury? Is it because
twelve vultures appeared to Romulus at the time of the founding of
Rome? Or is it because this is the least frequent and familiar of
birds? For it is not easy to find a vulture's nest, but these birds
suddenly swoop down from afar; wherefore the sight of them is
portentous. Or did they learn this also from Hercules? If Herodorus
tells the truth, Hercules delighted in the appearance of vultures
beyond that of all other birds at the beginning of any undertaking,
since he believed that the vulture was the most righteous of all
flesh-eating creatures; for, in the first place, it touches no living
thing, nor does it kill any animate creature, as do eagles and hawks
and the birds that fly by night; but it lives upon that which has
been killed in some other way. Then again, even of these it leaves
its own kind untouched; for no one has ever seen a vulture feeding on
a bird, as eagles and hawks do, pursuing and striking their own kind
particularly. And yet, as Aeschylus says, `How can a bird that feeds
on birds be pure?' And we may say that it is the most harmless of
birds to men, since it neither destroys any fruit or plant nor
injures any domesticated animal. But if, as the Egyptians fable, the
whole species is female, and they conceive by receiving the breath of
the East Wind, even as the trees do by receiving the West Wind, then
it is credible that the signs from them are altogether unwavering and
certain. But in the case of the other birds, their excitements in the
mating season, as well as their abductions, retreats, and pursuits,
have much that is disturbing and unsteady." ~Plutarch, Roman
Questions 93


"Why of birds is the one called "left-hand" a bird of good omen? Is
this not really true, but is it the peculiarity of the language which
throws many off the track? For their word for 'left' is
sinistrum; 'to permit' is sinere; and they say sine when they urge
giving permission. Accordingly the bird which permits the augural
action to be taken, that is, the avis sinisteria, the vulgar are not
correct in assuming to be sinistra and in calling it so. Or is it, as
Dionysius says, that when Ascanius, son of Aeneas, was drawing up his
army against Mezentius, and his men were taking the auspices, a flash
of lightning, ewhich portended victory, appeared on the left, and
from that time on they observe this practice in divination? Or is it
true, as certain other authorities affirm, that this happened to
Aeneas? As a matter of fact, the Thebans, when they had routed and
overpowered their enemies on the left wing at Leuctra, continued
thereafter to assign to the left the chief command in all battles. Or
is it rather, as Juba declares, that as anyone looks eastward, the
north is on the left, and some make out the north to be the right, or
upper, side of the universe? But consider whether it be not that the
left is by nature the weaker side, and they that preside over
auguries try to strengthen fand prop its deficient powers by this
method of equalization. Or was it that they believed earthly and
mortal matters to be antithetical to things heavenly and divine, and
so thought that whatever was on the left for us the gods were sending
forth from the right?" ~ Plutarch, Roman Questions 78


Today's thought from Epictetus, Discourse 3.22, concerns becoming the
ideal philosopher:

"Reflect more carefully, know thyself, consult the divinity, without
God attempt nothing; for if He shall advise you, be assured that He
intends you to become great or to receive many blows. For this very
amusing quality is conjoined to a Cynic: he must be flogged like an
ass, and when he is flogged, he must love those who flog him, as if
he were the father of all, and the brother of all."

M. Moravius Horatianus Pontifex Maximus: Consilibus, Tribunibus
Plebis, Senatoribus Patribus Mátribusque Conscriptís Pontificibus,
Maximae Valeriae Messallinae, Virgoni Vestalis Maximae, Flaminibus,
Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus: salutem plurimam dicit:
Iubeo bono animo esse.

Ex Domo Pontifici Maximi:

Audi, Juppiter; audite, Di Deaeque celesti, Di terrestri, et Di
inferi; audite, populus Novae Romae, Quirites, ut illa palam prima
postrema ex illis tabulis cerave recitata sunt sine dolo malo, utique
ea hic hodie rectissime intellecta sunt, illis decretis populus Novus
Romanus non deficiet.

HOC AGETE!

The Collegium Pontificum, having met in its deliberations, issues the
following decreta:

ITEM I:

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO
QUIRITIBUS

Upon conducting the annual review prescribed by the Decretum
Pontificum on minimum requirements, all Pontifices are retained in
office.

_______________________


ITEM II:

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO
QUIRITIBUS:

The Collegium Pontificum issues the following:

Decretum de Renuntiationibus annuibus Sacerdotum

In order to assess the joint progress of religio Romana for the Res
Publica Populi Novae Romae, All Sacerdotes are hereby instructed to
provide an Annual Report (renuntiatio) to their respective Collegium
by the Kalends of October of each year.

1. All Citizens who hold a sacerdotal office (i. e. Rex and Regina
Sacrorum, Pontifex, Augur, Flamen Maiores and Minores, Vestal,
Decemvir, Epulo, Salius, Lupercus, Frater Arvalis, Sacerdos, etc.)
shall be required to submit an Annual Report of their activities by
the Kalends of October, feriae Fidei, each year to the Collegium
underwhich they hold office. Augurs shall report to the Magister
Collegii Augurum. Epulones will report to the Collegium Epulonorum.
The Decemviri shall report to the Collegium Decemvirorum. All other
Sacerdotes shall submit their Annual Reports to the Collegium
Pontificum. A combined Annual Report shall be prepared by the
Collegium Pontificum from the Reports of all sacerdotal Collegia and
Sodalitates. The Pontifex Maximus shall then submit the combined
Annual Report to the Consuls for presentation to the full Senate.

2. The Annual Report shall be a brief statement of the activities of
a Sacerdos over the previous year. They should report on what sacra
pro populo they performed on behalf of Nova Roma, when they performed
the rites, and at which location. They are to include a financial
statement on any donations they may have received or donated
themselves, and on all expenses they incurred while performing sacra
pro populo.

3. Sacerdotes may report on other activities, such as local
communities they organize, continuing educational programs or
lectures they attend, classes or tours they offer to their community.
They should also include a brief statement on what they plan on
accomplishing in the coming year.


____________________


ITEM III:

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO
QUIRITIBUS:

The Collegium Pontificum issues the following:

Decretum de Membris Collegiorum

It is the desire of the Collegium Pontificum to return the religio
Romana to a simpler form. We look to the original sacerdotal offices
as first established by Rex Numa Pompilius, to the Republican reform
of the sacerdotal collegia, and to the wording of the Nova Roma
Constitution.

I De Membris Collegii Pontificum

A. The Collegium Pontificum shall be limited to the following
members, in rank of dignity:

1. The Rex and Regina Sacrorum
2. The Flamen and Flamenica Dialis
3. The Flamen Martialis
4. The Flamen Quirinalis
5. The Pontifex Maximus
6. Eight Pontifices
7. The Virgo Vestalis Maxima
8. Five Vestales Virgines
9. The Flamines and/or Flamenicae Minores

B. Each of the individual members of the Collegium Pontificum shall
hold a single vote and not be given a vote for each office he or she
may hold in the Collegium Pontificum.

C. All members of the Collegium Pontificum shall be privy to its
discussions. All members shall be allowed to express their opinion
during sessions of the Collegium. All voting members of the
Collegium shall be allowed to vote on any decretum brought up during
a session. The Pontifices may provide their commentary (in the form
of a responsum or visum) on any matter brought before the Collegium
Pontificum. Flamines and Vestales may contribute their own commentary
when the issue of concern relates to their particular cultus Deorum.
All members of the Collegium shall be eligible to take part in those
rituals in which the Collegium Pontificum as a whole is involved.


II De Membris Collegii Augurum

A. The Collegium Augurum shall be formed by the following, in rank of
dignity:

1. The Magister Collegii
2. Eight Augures

B. The members of the Collegium Augurum may administer their own
internal affairs by issuing a decretum (pl. decreta) as per the
Constitution VI.B.2.a.2.

C. All members of the Collegium Augurum shall be privy to the
discussions of the Collegium Augurum. All members shall be allowed to
express their opinion during sessions of the Collegium. All members
of the Collegium Augurum shall be voting members and shall be given
the opportunity to vote on any decretum brought up during a session.
Each member of the Collegium Augurum shall be eligible to take
auspicia and to issue responsa on the ius augurale independently of
other members of the Collegium.


III De Membris Collegii Duovirum Sacris Faciudis

The Collegium Duovirum Sacris Faciundis, not being originally
organized by Rex Numa Pompilius, shall be disbanded until such time
as a suitable restoration or substitution for the Sibylline Oracles
may be found.


IV De Membris Collegii Septemvirorum Epulonum

The Collegium Septemvirorum Epulum, not being originally organized by
Rex Numa Pompilius, shall for the time being be disbanded and
reorganized at a future date.


V De Insignia

The traditional insigna to distinguish between members of the
Collegium Pontificum and Collegium Augurum are noted for
informational purposes.

1. The Rex Sacroum shall be designated bya toga trabea of purple
trimmed with white or silver.

2. The Regina Sacrorum shall be designated by wearing her hair up off
of her neck and tied with purple fillets, and by wearing a long gown;
she may wear purple.

3. The Flamen Dialis shall be designated by a toga praetexta, laena
with purple stripe, and albogalerus.

4. The Flamen Martialis shall be designated by a toga pura, laena
with scarlet stripe, and apex.

5. The Flamen Quirinalis shall be designated by a toga pura, laena
pura, and apex.

6. The Pontifex Maximus shall be designated by a toga praetexta and
culullus.

7. The Pontifices shall be designated by a toga praetexta and
simpuvium.

8. The Vestales Virgines shall be designated by a tunica recta with
cingulum, flammeum, and by their hair tied with white woolen fillets
in the distinctive seni crines (six braids of a bride), and by the
culullus.

9. Flamines Minores shall be designated by donning a laena pura and
apex during official functions.

10. Augures shall be designated by a toga trabea of three scarlet
stripes and a hem of purple, by the lituus and by the capis, and
additionally shall wear a purple-hemmed laena at sacrifices.


______________________


ITEM IV:

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO
QUIRITIBUS:

By unanimous decision of the Collegium Pontificum: Marcus Antonius
Gryllus Graecus shall be reinstated as a Pontifex upon confirmation
of his status as an Assiduus.

Congratulations to M. Gryllus Graecus and welcome back.


____________________


ITEM V:

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO
QUIRITIBUS:

Iulia Aquila is accepted into the Camilla Program.

Congratulations to Julia Aquila

____________________


Di immortales faciant – tam felix quam pia.


Ite nunc felix. Ite numinibus votisque secundis


Datum sub manu mea ante diem VI Nonas Martias M. Curiatio Complutensi
M. Iulio Severo consilibus in anno AUC MMDCCLXII

Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.

The moderators of the Comitia Plebis Tributa Yahoo group are still last year's plebeian magistrates. This is the fourth time this request has been made (see CPT list for the other three).
Please update this immediately, and transfer moderation to the new plebeian magistrates.

Maximas gratias vobis ago, et optime vale!

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
http://becomingnewt hroughtheold. blogspot. com

<<<--- On Sat, 2/28/09, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@...> wrote:  It is my belief that Vesta and the other Gods and Goddesses of Rome are severely displeased that anyone should resort to the use of legal force to press his will upon Nova Roma. It sets a dangerous precedent. I beg all those involved in this decision to reconsider. As for Sulla, his words are tarnished by his actions.   So say I, Maxima Valeria Messallina, Sacerdos Vestalis of Nova Roma.>>>     <<--- On Sat, 2/28/09, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:     Who hears these words? If we hear them, do we truly listen? If we listen, do we act upon their truths?  -- Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis>>     A few have heard, but even if no one did, I would still say them, especially since after reading the email below, my deep feelings of uneasiness returned. I feel strongly that Vesta and all the Gods and Goddesses of Rome are greatly offended by Sulla's "blackmail" of Nova Roma. What has been done is completely dishonorable and a violation of trust that has deeply displeased our Gods. And if we do not listen to even Vesta, than what is Nova Roma?   Maxima Valeria Messallina, Sacerdos Vestalis of Nova Roma.   <--- On Mon, 3/2/09, M•IVL• SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@...> wrote: From: M•IVL• SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] ON L. CORNELIVS SVLLA To: "Nova Roma" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>, "Nova Roma Announce" <novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:01 PM Salvete Quirites,   After wide and extensive consultations, we the Consuls decided not to oppose to the reinstatement of L. Cornelius Sulla as Senator, even if we do not and can not agree to what we consider blackmail to Nova Roma. We are quite grateful to the Censors for their efforts to achieve a consensus, which we endorse completely, because we look, in everything, for the best service of our Res publica.   Salvete, M•CVR•COMPLVTENSIS CONSVL•NOVÆ•ROMÆ SENATOR CONSVL•HISPANIÆ   M•IVL•SEVERVS CONSVL•NOVÆ•ROMÆ   SENATOR CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICI

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Caelio Ahenobarbo salutem dicit

I have heard her words and find them very auspicious.  I too have consulted the Gods, and confirm that the Gods and Goddesses of Rome are displeased.  What she has written is true.

Valete:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
Pontifex, Flamen Pomonalis, et Augur

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:

Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.

>It is my belief that Vesta and the other Gods and Goddesses
>of Rome are severely displeased that anyone should resort to
>the use of legal force to press his will upon Nova Roma. It
>sets a dangerous precedent.

>I beg all those involved in this decision to reconsider.

>As for Sulla, his words are tarnished by his actions.

>

>So say I, Maxima Valeria Messallina, Sacerdos Vestalis of Nova Roma.

    Who hears these words? If we hear them, do we truly listen? If we listen, do we act upon their truths?
 

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com

Salve Vibia Ritulia,

V Ritulia Enodiaria <walkyr@...> writes:

> I would like to read more about conflict resolution within NR.? Are
> the leges the correct place to start, or is there a better way to
> learn about this?

The leges are a very good place to start, though they only address our
formal processes of conflict resolution. I am currently working to
develop a less formal, but still binding, process that would be
overseen by the Praetors. It would provide an alternative to "taking
someone to court" in the Nova Roman courts, while still leaving that
option open if the arbitration process couldn't resolve the dispute.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

The Executives could have said no. NR could have retained the
services of an attorney; and we could have fought it out in the
American legal jurisdiction. I would have been perfectly willing to
do that. I am that confident that I would prevail. It really is that
simple to the point that I was/am willing to invest 6-8k and more if
necessary to have this decided in US Court. If I did not think I
could win the lawsuit I wouldn't risk going down that road. However,
knowing that Nova Roma is accountable to US Law and Maine Law made the
the issue pretty cut and dry.

In the end the law must be followed. This includes Maine law and US
law. Violate those laws, contradict those laws and the organization
and the board members will be liable. Do not disabuse yourself to
think that Nova Roma is it's own country. It is not. It is ONLY a
not for profit corporation incorporated in the State of Maine. It has
aspirations to be more than that, but the reality is simple. It is a
corporation. To view it otherwise is not to accept reality.

This is all I have left to say in the matter.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
<cn.caelius@...> wrote:

>
> Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus V. Rituliae Enodiariae s.p.d.
>
> >At least he didn't turn up at the boundary with several legions

behind him.

>
> No; just an attorney and a threat. But, in our day and

circumstances, isn't that similar? At least with a legion you know
that those soldiers support their leader to some degree. Here, we have
one man and some words. Does anyone support him and his cause?

> As for conflict resolution, this has come up before. Hopefully,

those will full knowledge of our law (Marinus?) will respond. The
various comitia can act as courts (see the Constitution). Of course,
we have things like vetos of superior magistrates, the intercessio
tribunum plebis, the ability to bring suit before the praetores, etc.
Frankly, I think there are many legal options, at least in theory. I
hope, though, that the virtues come first and that people resolve
their issues person-to-person. But, if that doesn't work, then yes,
there are some remedies.

>
> Optime vale!
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Maximae Valeriae Messallinae salutem dicit

We are in agreement, and I am baffled that more have not shown a similar disposition.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

<<<--- On Sat, 2/28/09, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@...>
wrote: 

> It is my belief that Vesta and the other Gods and Goddesses of Rome

are severely displeased that anyone should resort to the use of legal
force to press his will upon Nova Roma. It sets a dangerous precedent.

> I beg all those involved in this decision to reconsider.
> As for Sulla, his words are tarnished by his actions.

Salvete,

It has been a bad year in general for me and those around me. Look at
the worlds economy, etc... So I do believe the gods are unhappy. This
blackmail or whatever you want to call it probably doesn't help but it
is not the end of the world.


I think it is a despicable thing to do but I guess it is within their
legal right. I am not involved in it, I'm just a pleb.. which reminds
me I need to hurry and pay my taxes.


People should stay within the laws and rights of Nova Roma IMHO and
not go outside of it to deal with matters. Why would someone want to
undermine what everyone here has built?


Di vos incolumes custodiant,

T.Ovidius Aquila

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Not only is he a extortionist but it would seem he is is an exploitationist.  There was a reason he disappeared from Nova Roma on more than one occasion.  He doesn't care about Nova Roma.  It is all about his feeble ego.

His presence in Nova Roma is a stain, an infection, and a poison.

Valete:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

The Executives could have said no. NR could have retained the
services of an attorney; and we could have fought it out in the
American legal jurisdiction. I would have been perfectly willing to
do that. I am that confident that I would prevail. It really is that
simple to the point that I was/am willing to invest 6-8k and more if
necessary to have this decided in US Court. If I did not think I
could win the lawsuit I wouldn't risk going down that road. However,
knowing that Nova Roma is accountable to US Law and Maine Law made the
the issue pretty cut and dry.

In the end the law must be followed. This includes Maine law and US
law. Violate those laws, contradict those laws and the organization
and the board members will be liable. Do not disabuse yourself to
think that Nova Roma is it's own country. It is not. It is ONLY a
not for profit corporation incorporated in the State of Maine. It has
aspirations to be more than that, but the reality is simple. It is a
corporation. To view it otherwise is not to accept reality.

This is all I have left to say in the matter.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Salve Quirites!

********

3 mar 2009 kl. 00.11 Robert Woolwine wrote:

..........

..........

It is ONLY a
not for profit corporation incorporated in the State of Maine. It has
aspirations to be more than that, but the reality is simple. It is a
corporation. To view it otherwise is not to accept reality.

This is all I have left to say in the matter.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

**********
Maybe this is his message: "Nova Roma is just a US corporation,
everything else is just a stupid dream."

I am not sure that he wants Nova Roma to succeed, not even if he says
so, on the opposite, I don't believe he wants Nova Roma to succeed,
especiallly if he says so. His actions speaks clearer than words.

In many respects he is right, but not in all. Nova Roma is a dream,
but a good one. Nova Roma is a corporation, but Nova Roma doesn't need
to be situated in the litigation-happy USA.

It is time to move on and leave his type behind. He wouldn't survive
in another enviroment. But Nova Roma would thrive!


*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Precisely!

Sulla is a parasite feeding off the crumbs given to him by the censores.  He deserves nothing but our contempt.

Valete;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Christer Edling <christer.edling@...> wrote:

Salve Quirites!

********

3 mar 2009 kl. 00.11 Robert Woolwine wrote:

..........

..........

It is ONLY a
not for profit corporation incorporated in the State of Maine. It has
aspirations to be more than that, but the reality is simple. It is a
corporation. To view it otherwise is not to accept reality.

This is all I have left to say in the matter.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

**********
Maybe this is his message: "Nova Roma is just a US corporation,
everything else is just a stupid dream."

I am not sure that he wants Nova Roma to succeed, not even if he says
so, on the opposite, I don't believe he wants Nova Roma to succeed,
especiallly if he says so. His actions speaks clearer than words.

In many respects he is right, but not in all. Nova Roma is a dream,
but a good one. Nova Roma is a corporation, but Nova Roma doesn't need
to be situated in the litigation-happy USA.

It is time to move on and leave his type behind. He wouldn't survive
in another enviroment. But Nova Roma would thrive!

*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Salve T.Ovidius Aquila!
3 mar 2009 kl. 00.54 skrev t.ovidius_aquila:

......
........
Why would someone want to
undermine what everyone here has built?

CFBQ: An extremely good question! And the answer is ... obvious!

Di vos incolumes custodiant,

T.Ovidius Aquila

*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae

Salve Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbu!