Salvete
 
Could all citizens who are practicing attorneys please drop me a note at
spqr753@.... Please include your field/s of expertise and the countries you are licensed in.
 
Valete
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Censor

Salve,

Yes, it certainly sounds like Hadrianus.

Vale,

Palladius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola" <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
>
> I wonder if that was C. Minucius Felix whom they intereviewed...?
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus" <cn.caelius@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:42 PM
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma mentioned in a book
>
> > Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.
> >
> > Et aliud! "Modern Paganism in World Cultures" by Michael Strmiska.
> >
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=qx7Tvd99xVAC&pg=PA335&dq=%22nova+roma%22+-constantinople#PPA335,M1
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> > Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> > http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
>

Salve Semproni,

I don't think there's moderation. Your posts might have ended up in the spam trap.
Or maybe your situation is the same as mine: I can only post on the Yahoo website, because if I send emails to the lists, they bounce back, with Yahoo insisting that my email address is not subscribed to the list (when it is). I have given up trying to work that out.

The moderator is Q. Caecilius Metellus, but, depending on the powers the owner gave him, he might not be able to remove your old bouncing email address. The owner is M. Cassius Iulianus, who will certainly not move one finger to help you.

Optime vale,
Livia

>
> Salvete omnes,
>  
> I sent out posts to the relevant lists that I have been working on the NR Wiki pages for the Philosophy Reading List and the cultus deorum list.
>  
> Since my computer crashed, I had to resubscribe to all lists upon my return.. My posts are not going through to the Religio list. Does anyone know if new subscribers are moderated?
> Also, to the moderators of that list, if you look, my old email is bouncing on that list. It might be time for a list membership clean-up.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Valete,
>  
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>

Salve, Sometimes yahoo acts weird. My email just to the religio list just popped into my inbox. Vale, A. Sempronius Regulus --- On Thu, 3/5/09, livia_plauta <livia.plauta@...> wrote: From: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Religio List To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 5:38 PM Salve Semproni, I don't think there's moderation. Your posts might have ended up in the spam trap. Or maybe your situation is the same as mine: I can only post on the Yahoo website, because if I send emails to the lists, they bounce back, with Yahoo insisting that my email address is not subscribed to the list (when it is). I have given up trying to work that out. The moderator is Q. Caecilius Metellus, but, depending on the powers the owner gave him, he might not be able to remove your old bouncing email address. The owner is M. Cassius Iulianus, who will certainly not move one finger to help you. Optime vale, Livia > > Salvete omnes, >   > I sent out posts to the relevant lists that I have been working on the NR Wiki pages for the Philosophy Reading List and the cultus deorum list. >   > Since my computer crashed, I had to resubscribe to all lists upon my return.. My posts are not going through to the Religio list. Does anyone know if new subscribers are moderated? > Also, to the moderators of that list, if you look, my old email is bouncing on that list. It might be time for a list membership clean-up. >   > Thanks, >   > Valete, >   > A. Sempronius Regulus >

The moderator of the list is trying to rectify the problems. Don't worry
about it.

Poplicola

--------------------------------------------------
From: "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:56 AM
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Religio List

> Salve,
> Sometimes yahoo acts weird. My email just to the religio list just popped
> into my inbox.
> Vale,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>
> --- On Thu, 3/5/09, livia_plauta <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Religio List
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 5:38 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salve Semproni,
>
> I don't think there's moderation. Your posts might have ended up in the
> spam trap.
> Or maybe your situation is the same as mine: I can only post on the Yahoo
> website, because if I send emails to the lists, they bounce back, with
> Yahoo insisting that my email address is not subscribed to the list (when
> it is).. I have given up trying to work that out.
>
> The moderator is Q. Caecilius Metellus, but, depending on the powers the
> owner gave him, he might not be able to remove your old bouncing email
> address. The owner is M. Cassius Iulianus, who will certainly not move one
> finger to help you.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
>>
>> Salvete omnes,
>>
>> I sent out posts to the relevant lists that I have been working on the NR
>> Wiki pages for the Philosophy Reading List and the cultus deorum list.
>>
>> Since my computer crashed, I had to resubscribe to all lists upon my
>> return.. My posts are not going through to the Religio list. Does anyone
>> know if new subscribers are moderated?
>> Also, to the moderators of that list, if you look, my old email is
>> bouncing on that list. It might be time for a list membership clean-up.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Valete,
>>
>> A. Sempronius Regulus
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> writes:

> Do we have any fetiales? :-)

Yes, Q. Caecillius Metellus Pius Postumianus.

http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=4031

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

A. Tullia Scholastica A. Sempronio Regulo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salvete omnes,
 
I sent out posts to the relevant lists that I have been working on the NR Wiki pages for the Philosophy Reading List and the cultus deorum list.
 
Since my computer crashed, I had to resubscribe to all lists upon my return. My posts are not going through to the Religio list. Does anyone know if new subscribers are moderated?

    ATS:  Yes, they are.  This is a normal practice to keep spammers and other troublemakers out.  For that matter, I am moderated there, though I have been on the list for several months now, and am not dangerous.  Anyone who thinks that I am going to attack the RR, and that, too, on its own list, must have been consuming illegal substances or consuming legal ones in excess.  


Also, to the moderators of that list, if you look, my old email is bouncing on that list. It might be time for a list membership clean-up.
 
Thanks,
 
Valete,
 
A. Sempronius Regulus

                Vale, et valete.

 
  
    

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com

Salve Ahenobarbe,

Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> writes:

> Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Cn. Equitio Marino s.p.d.
>
>>> Do we have any fetiales? :-)
>> Yes, Q. Caecillius Metellus Pius Postumianus.
>
> I could see the fetiales being intermediaries between Nova Roma
> and other groups---nonprofit, reenactor, etc.---but what about
> public relations?

Right now our public outreach efforts fall under the aegis of the
Sodalitas Egressus. As far as I know Pontifex Caecillius Metellus
hasn't been involved with public outreach efforts beyond his own
province.

> Do we have a public relations officer or team?

Sodalitas Egressus

> Should the fetiales serve this purpose, or should they be
> restricted to inter-group interaction?

That's a question for the Collegium Pontificum.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salve Regule:
your sons should be Sempronius Regulus too. I think the elder's praenomen would be the same as your onw: Aulus as was traditional and the younger most likely Lucius, as those are the common praenomina for patrician members of gens Sempronia.
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus is the one to double check and I believe he too is a son of Cn. Cornelius Lentulus. To distinguish...hmm I can't remember if we'd say Regulus Maior and Regulus Minor or if this pertains to siblings.
valeas
M. Hortensia Maior

>
> Salvete omnes,
>  
> I have three sons. I have a wife (obviously). At this point in time, only two sons would like to join Nova Roma. I'm getting old in what I can remember in my head about Roman names and the NR site is not that helpful nor is the Gens Sempronii list for family members. I said two. My sons want Sempronii because we are related. 
>  
> One son shows absolutely no interest in Nova Roma. The other two do. They wish to be Sempronii somehow with both regulus and taditanus or taditunus and regulus (I am outside my expertise) in their name.
>  
> For them, I'm asking advice. They want Sempronius as gens (family history), Regulus (my personal choice with no basis in family history -- just admiration of Regulus), and  Tuditanus (I have no idea where they got that -- lets just say they study things other than engineering).
>  
> BTW, of the three sons, one is well-wed, one is well-engaged, and one is well-endowed and single.
>  
> Valete,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>

Salve Regule,

"A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> writes:

> One son shows absolutely no interest in Nova Roma. The other two do.
> They wish to be Sempronii somehow with both regulus and taditanus
> or taditunus and regulus (I am outside my expertise) in their name.

As others have already noted, they are both Sempronius Regulus. (Your
children bear your name within Nova Roma whether they're interested in
participating in Nova Roman activities or not. You are the
paterfamilias of your familia.) Roman tradition would have your
oldest son carrying your name, so he would be Aulus Sempronius Regulus
(distinguished by Iunior if the two of you were present together at
some event.) Your other sons could have any of the available
praenomina. See the list at:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Choosing_a_Roman_name#Praenomen

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>  
>
> For them, I'm asking advice. They want Sempronius as gens (family history), Regulus (my personal choice with no basis in family history -- just admiration of Regulus), and  Tuditanus (I have no idea where they got that -- lets just say they study things other than engineering).
>  
> BTW, of the three sons, one is well-wed, one is well-engaged, and one is well-endowed and single.
>  
> Valete,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>

Salve A. Sempronius Regulus

May be they were think of one of my Fav romans of them all.
Publius Sempronius C.f. Tuditanus (fl. 3rd century BC) was a Roman Republican consul and censor, best known for leading about 600 men to safety at Cannae in August, 216 BC.?
vale

Marcus Cornelius Felix

Salve Marine,

> Roman tradition would have your
> oldest son carrying your name, so he would be Aulus Sempronius Regulus
> (distinguished by Iunior if the two of you were present together at
> some event.)

Yes it is a Roman custom, so you can use the "x f.". For example, the oldest son is Aulus Sempronius A. f. Regulus and the father, the current Aulus Sempronius Regulus is Aulus Sempronius (Praenomen of the father) f. Regulus.

Optime vale.
C. Petronius Dexter

Salvete Marine Dexterque;
ah fascinating, who doesn't love Roman onomastics:) As for Regulus' daughters-in-law, they would the names of separate gens. Unless you're really Southern and related;-)
Maior

>
> Salve Marine,
>
> > Roman tradition would have your
> > oldest son carrying your name, so he would be Aulus Sempronius Regulus
> > (distinguished by Iunior if the two of you were present together at
> > some event.)
>
> Yes it is a Roman custom, so you can use the "x f.". For example, the oldest son is Aulus Sempronius A. f. Regulus and the father, the current Aulus Sempronius Regulus is Aulus Sempronius (Praenomen of the father) f. Regulus.
>
> Optime vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Iulio Caesari quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Cn. Iulius Caesar aedilis curulis, omnibus Quiritibus sal.

Below are the Questions for Day 5 of the Ludi Novi Romani. Good luck!
 
Optime valete
 
Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
Aedilis Curulis
Senator
Legatus pro praetore Canada Ulterioris


RULES:

1. Each correct answer is worth 1 point. An extra point may be awarded for an especially detailed and excellent answer.
2. Answers are to be sent to my e-mail address ( gn_iulius_caesar@... <mailto:gn_iulius_caesar@...> ) before 6.00 am MT - Mountain Time (GMT -7hrs / CET -8hrs) the day following the posting of the questions.
3. My decision is final in interpreting what is and what isn't a correct answer.
4. Refer to here for past questions in this Ludi: http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani
 
QUESTIONS - DAY 5  (March 5th)

Q9.  What were the original FULL names of A. Tullia Scholastica and M. Hortensia Maior?


    ATS:  I think I know the answer to that first question (nyah, nyah, nyah!) And you didn’t ask about the two or three intermediate names of M. Hortensia Maior?  Or an additional one she may still bear?  

Q10. What was the so called "Gens Reform" in Nova Roma that resulted in significant changes?

    ATS:  I think I know that one, too...but am too busy to get involved, sad to say.  I could have answered some of the other ones, too...easily.

Vale, et valete.  
  
    

   
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Salve Marcus

I enjoyed the magazine.  Please keep us at the JCIA updated.  

Joe Geranio
Julio Claudian Iconographic Association
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/julioclaudian/

-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Audens <MarcusAudens@...>
To: SodalitasMilitarium@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com; NewRoman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:00 am
Subject: [Nova-Roma] "Pilum Quarterly Magazine," 1st Qtr. -- 2009

Tribunus Plebis Tiberius Horatius Barbatus Quiritibus SPD

The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been tallied as follows:

Formal debate ended at (16.00 hrs CET) on 24 Feb. 2762
Voting began in the first hour at 07.30 hrs CET on 26 Feb. 2762
Voting ended at 16.00 hrs CET on 28 Feb. 2762

The following (29) Senators cast votes in time, and referred to below by their initials:

1. MCC> Marcus Curiatius Complutensis
2. MIS> Marcus Iulius Severus
3. GEM>Cn Equitius Marinus
4. GPL> C Popillius Laenas
5. PMA> P. Memmius Albucius
6. TOP>T. Octavius Pius
7. TGP> Ti. Galerius Paulinus
8. CFD> Caius Flavius Diocletianus
9. MLA> M. Lucretius Agricola
10. CFBQ> K Fabius Buteo Quintinlianus
11. TIS> T Iulius Sabinus
12. QSP> Q Suetonius Paulinus
13. ATMC> Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
14. QFM> Q Fabius Maximus
15. EIL> Equestria Iunia Laeca
16. ATS> A Tullia Scholastica
17. SUV> S Ullerius Venator
18. GIC> Cn Iulius Caesar
19. MHM> M Hortensia Maior
20. DIP> D Iunius Palladius Invictus
21. GMM> C Marius Merullus
22.MIP> M. Iulius Perusianus
23.FGA> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
24.GVA> G. Vipsanius Agrippa
25.CCS> C Curius Saturninus
26.MAM> M. Arminius Maior
27.FAC> Fr. Apulus Caesar
28. MMPH> M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
29. ECF> Em Curia Finnica

The following Senators did not cast a vote, and their absence was not announced or justified in line with the Senatus Consultum defining a quorum and the LEX OCTAVIA DE SENATORIBUS:

FLG> Fl. Vedius Germanicus
AMA> Am. Moravia Aurelia
LCS> L. Cornelius Sulla (late)
KFBM> K Fabius Buteo Modianus
MMA> M Minicius Audens

Therefore, the necessary majority for a Senatus Consultum was 18 votes in favor.

"UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item,
"ANTIQUO" is a vote against,
"ABSTINEO" is an open abstention

ITEM I. PASSED
APPOINTMENT OF SENATOR C CURIUS SATURNINUS AS CIO OF NOVA ROMA

It has become a priority, pressing and urgent for the Res publica, the need to have a person in charge of the technological infrastructure, since there exist loose ends of the biggest importance, which this official will have to solve or, at least, coordinate the solution (problems with the electoral cista, problems
with the censorial tools, etc.), at the head of a team of equally capable collaborators. It is a question of a responsibility that needs professional qualifications, which many of us lack and for the same, the CIO will be able even to hire with full knowledge the external necessary help. We must bear in mind that at present, we lack a webmaster capable of starting the cista.

These are the CIO's duties as approved last December by this august body:

"ITEM IV.a: Resolved: That the Board of Directors approves the creation of the
office of a CIO whose duties shall include:
1) To oversee all of Nova Roma's IT infrastructure, including but not limited to: the album civium, the website, e-mail, and other services.
2) To be the primary technical contact for all domain names owned by Nova Roma, to ensure registration and maintenance of all Nova Roma domains.
3) To be the primary technical contact for all hosting and technology companies with which Nova Roma interacts.
4) To fulfill any mandates of magistrates or the Senate with regards to IT issues.
5) To appoint and manage a team of IT professionals to assist in these duties.
6) To oversee and manage the IT budget.
7) To ensure as much as possible the protection of information in Nova Roma databases, maintain a copyright policy, a privacy policy and other policies established by the Senate for the use and maintenance of Nova Roma databases.
8) To advise the Senate and magistrates on IT issues related to a corporate business plan and the employment of the Internet facilities to further corporate planning."

27 UTI ROGAS
2 ANTIQUO
0 ABSTINEO

*CFBQ - UTI ROGAS
*MCC - UTI ROGAS
*MIS - VTI ROGAS
*GEM - VTI ROGAS
*GPL - Uti Rogas
*PMA - ANTIQUO - This vote does not concern Hon. Curius's abilities. I have constantly considered that the CIO office, such as it has been defined, should be contracted with a professional supplier, who should not be a Novaroman. My vote is thus the logic application of this position of principle.
*TOP - Uti rogas. I believe he will be able to coordinate the efforts of our IT personnel.
*TGP - Vti Rogas
*CFD - Uti Rogas
*MLA - YES
*TIS - Uti Rogas. I wish him success in this very difficult task.
*QSP - Uti Rogas
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS And I wish him good fortune
*EIL - Uti Rogas.
*ATS – Antiquo. Further comments deleted at the request of the submitter.
*SUV - Uti Rogas, I am satisfied with both his qualifications and amplification upon his use of time to perform the job, along with his outline of how he will lead the team.
*GIC - Uti Rogas, with my best wishes in what is potentially a difficult and certainly vital role.
*MHM - Uti Rogas, C.Curius is one of our best and most talented citizens, with him at the helm I know order and method will be applied to solve a longstanding
problem.
*DIP - Uti Rogas
*GMM - Vti rogas
*FAC - VTI ROGAS: Saturninus is the best choice for NR
*MIP - YES
*MAM - Uti Rogas.
*ECF - Uti rogas.
*FGA - Uti Rogas
*GVA - Uti rogas to the appointment of C. Curius Saturninus as CIO.
*CCS - Uti rogas. If I'm chosen to this office, it will not be an easy task and I sincerely hope to have help and support.
*MMPH - Adsentior uti Rogas

ITEM II. ALL PASSED
IIa) APPOINTMENT OF GOVERNORS

1a. Flavius Galerius Aurelianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia America Austrorientalis.
29 UTI ROGAS 0 ANTIQUO 0 ABSTINEO

1b. Decimus Cassius Lupus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Argentina.
29 UTI ROGAS 0 ANTIQUO 0 ABSTINEO

1c. WITHDRAWN BY CONVENING CONSUL

1d. Marcus Lucretius Agricola as legatus pro praetore of provincia Asia Ulterior.
28 UTI ROGAS 0 ANTIQUO 1 ABSTINEO

1e. Titus Arminius Genialis as legatus pro praetore of provincia Brasilia.
29 UTI ROGAS 0 ANTIQUO 0 ABSTINEO

1f.Titus Annaeus Regulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada Citerior.
29 UTI ROGAS 0 ANTIQUO 0 ABSTINEO

1g. Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada Ulterior.
29 UTI ROGAS 0 ANTIQUO 0 ABSTINEO

1h. Titus Iulius Sabinus as proconsul of provincia Dacia.
29 UTI ROGAS 0 ANTIQUO 1 ABSTINEO

1i. Publius Memmius Albucius as praetor of provincia Gallia.
26 UTI ROGAS 2 ANTIQUO 1 ABSTINEO

1j. Titus Flavius Aquila as legatus pro praetore of provincia Germania.
29 UTI ROGAS 0 ANTIQUO 0 ABSTINEO

1k. Marcus Curiatius Complutensis as consul of provincia Hispania.
29 UTI ROGAS 2 ANTIQUO 0 ABSTINEO

1l. Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Lacus Magni.
29 UTI ROGAS 0 ANTIQUO 0 ABSTINEO

1m. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as proconsul of provincia Mediatlantica.
27 UTI ROGAS 2 ANTIQUO 0 ABSTINEO

1n. Marcus Iulius Severus as consul of provincia Mexico.
27 UTI ROGAS 2 ANTIQUO 0 ABSTINEO

1o. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Panonnia.
29 UTI ROGAS 0 ANTIQUO 0 ABSTINEO

1p. Marcus Octavius Corvus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Sarmatia.
29 UTI ROGAS 0 ANTIQUO 0 ABSTINEO

1q. Caius Curius Saturninus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Thule.
29 UTI ROGAS 0 ANTIQUO 0 ABSTINEO

*MCC - UTI ROGAS

*MIS - VTI ROGAS (With the exception of M. Aurelius Celsus, who decided to withdraw his candidacy for the governorship of Asia Citerior).

*GEM - VTI ROGAS to all except 1c. Marcus Aurelius Celsus as (governor) of provincia Asia Citerior. I understand he withdrew his application, thus I can not support him. Please record a vote of ABSTINEO in this case.

*GPL - Uti Rogas for all.

*PMA - UTI ROGAS. Publius Memmius Albucius as praetor of provincia Gallia."
ABSTINEO.

*TOP - 1 a-h. Uti rogas.
1i. Publius Memmius Albucius as praetor of provincia
Gallia. Antiquo. Veto, if I could. Praetor means something else in Nova Roma. Change the constitution first.
1k. Marcus Curiatius Complutensis as consul of provincia Hispania. Antiquo. Same as above.
1n. Marcus Iulius Severus as consul of provincia Mexico.
Antiquo. Same as above.
1-q.Uti rogas.

*TGP - Vti Rogas for all.

*CFD - Uti Rogas für all.

*MLA - To all items, YES, with the following exceptions:
1c. Marcus Aurelius Celsus as legatus pro praetor of provincia Asia Citerior. No, he has withdrawn his candidacy.
1d. Marcus Lucretius Agricola as legatus pro praetore of provincial Asia Ulterior. ABSTAIN.

*CFBQ - UTI ROGAS to all, but M. Aurelius Celsus as he has decided to withdraw his candidacy for the governorship of Asia Citerior

*TIS - II.a.1. Flavius Galerius Aurelianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia America Austrorientalis. Uti Rogas. Galerius Aurelianus has great contributions to his province events development.
II.a.2. Decimus Cassius Lupus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Argentina. Uti Rogas. After consulting his provincial report to the Senate my recommendation is to put in practice the list of
recommended readings in Spanish.
II.a.3. Marcus Aurelius Celsus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Asia Citerior. The consul announced the withdrawal of this
candidate.
II.a.4. Marcus Lucretius Agricola as legatus pro praetore of
provincia Asia Ulterior. Uti Rogas. Marcus Lucretius is realistic governor, able to take in consideration the realities of a province scattered across several nations and divided by seas.
II.a.5. Titus Arminius Genialis as legatus pro praetore of provincia 
Brasilia. Uti Rogas. Arminius Genialis is fine governor and I recommend him to continue with the ten projects he presented in
the provincial report. Taking in consideration his promise, I am curious to see, at the April end, his announcement about the provincial Temple of Concordia project.
II.a.6. Titus Annaeus Regulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia
Canada Citerior. Uti Rogas. Annaeus Regulus is a new citizen with good
abilities. I have trust in his dedication and skills because he demonstrated that in the main list.
II.a.7. Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada Ulterior. Uti Rogas. Iulius Caesar, as always, is a
person with sense of duty, able anytime to put in practice various projects. Canada Ulterior is a province with three Senators and an active new oppidum.
II.a.8. Titus Iulius Sabinus as proconsul of provincia Dacia. Abstineo.
II.a.9.Publius Memmius Albucius as praetor of provincia Gallia. Uti Rogas. Memmius Albucius is a person of honor, a modern Cato of Utica when it comes about roman virtues. He is the only one who participated to all Nova Roma Conventi and during his leadership Gallia has a constant development. I wish him success organizing this year Conventus.
II.a.10. Titus Flavius Aquila as legatus pro praetore of provincia Germania. Uti Rogas. Under Flavius Aquila leadership, provincia Germania, received a new and good position in Nova Roma. I
really appreciate his efforts to increase the citizens and tax payers number.
II.a.11. Marcus Curiatius Complutensis as consul of provincia Hispania. Uti Rogas. Curiatius Complutensis is our valuable connection with all what romanitas is considered in Hispania. I consider him a factor of continuity of the Nova Roman Senate in that area and I respect his fine dedication in various working
fields of Nova Roma.
II.a.12. Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus as
legatus pro praetore of provincia Lacus Magni. Uti Rogas. Caecilius Mettelus has all the skills to take over the job. II.a.13. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as proconsul of provincia Mediatlantica. Uti Rogas. Galerius Paulinus' commitments to Nova Roma are unquestionable, especially in the central financial sector development. Paying the same attention to his province, I'm sure that, in the future, we can see there some important projects.
II.a.14. Marcus Iulius Severus as consul of provincia Mexico. Uti Rogas. Iulius Severus is our most active citizen in Mexico and Mexico is active province with many projects how Severus reported last year.
II.a.15. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Panonnia. Uti Rogas. Cornelius Lentulus has a fine step by
step development policy and under his leadership Pannonia become day by day more important in the Roman Religion restoration.
II.a.16. Marcus Octavius Corvus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Sarmatia. Uti Rogas. Octavius Corvus paid attention to the citizens' recruitment and in the last time Sarmatia has a significant grow.
II.a.17. Caius Curius Saturninus as legatus pro praetore of
provincia Thule. Uti Rogas. Curius Saturninus has practical abilities and he represents an important province of Nova Roma, which, during the time, offered to Nova Roma many important real projects.

*QSP - Uti Rogas for all.

*ATMC - 1a. Flavius Galerius Aurelianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia America Austrorientalis. UTI ROGAS. Pontifex Aurelianus has in my opinion done a very good job up to this point, and should do well in the future.
1b.Decimus Cassius Lupus as legatus pro praetore of provincial Argentina. UTI ROGAS.
1c. Marcus Aurelius Celsus as legatus pro praetor of provincia Asia
Citerior. ABSTINEO.
1d. Marcus Lucretius Agricola as legatus pro praetore of provincial Asia Ulterior. UTI ROGAS. I'm very pleased to vote for this
gentleman.
1e. Titus Arminius Genialis as legatus pro praetore of provincial
Brasilia. UTI ROGAS.
1f.Titus Annaeus Regulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada Citerior. His application is already in the Senate's mail list
files. UTI ROGAS.
1g. Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as legatus pro praetore of provincial
Canada Ulterior. UTI ROGAS. I'm sure that this gentleman will continue to build on his past efforts.
1h. Titus Iulius Sabinus as proconsul of provincia Dacia.
UTI ROGAS.
1i. Publius Memmius Albucius as praetor of provincia Gallia. UTI
ROGAS.
1j. Titus Flavius Aquila as legatus pro praetore of provincial Germania. UTI ROGAS.
1k. Marcus Curiatius Complutensis as consul of provincia Hispania.
UTI ROGAS. fully support the fine gentleman's continuing good works.
1l.Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Lacus Magni. His application is already in the Senate's mail list files. UTI ROGAS. I wish this gentleman much success in this position, and I believe him to be fully qualified.
1m. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as proconsul of provincial
Mediatlantica. UTI ROGAS.
1n. Marcus Iulius Severus as consul of provincia Mexico. UTI ROGAS. Although I am not as well informed about this gentleman, I am
willing to support him at this time.
1o. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as legatus pro praetore of provincial Panonnia. UTI ROGAS.
1p. Marcus Octavius Corvus as legatus pro praetore of provincial Sarmatia. UTI ROGAS-.
1q. Caius Curius Saturninus as legatus pro praetore of provincial Thule. UTI ROGAS

*QFM - If Marcus Aurelius Celsus as (governor) of provincia Asia Citerior is no longer under consideration, do not include him in the following. VTI ROGAS et al

*EIL - Uti Rogas to all presented.

*ATS - > 1a. Flavius Galerius Aurelianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia America Austrorientalis. Uti rogas.
1b. Decimus Cassius Lupus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Argentina. Uti rogas.
1c. Marcus Aurelius Celsus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Asia Citerior. Abstineo; he has apparently withdrawn his candidacy.
1d. Marcus Lucretius Agricola as legatus pro praetore
of provincia Asia Ulterior. Assentior uti rogas. 1e. Titus Arminius Genialis as legatus pro praetore of provincia Brasilia. Uti rogas.
1f.Titus Annaeus Regulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada Citerior. His application is already in the Senate's mail list files. Uti rogas. He seems to be a reasonable, intelligent, and energetic gentleman.
1g. Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada Ulterior. Uti rogas. We all know his merits.
1h.Titus Iulius Sabinus as proconsul of provincia Dacia. Uti rogas. Sabinus is one of our finest, and most energetic, citizens.
1i. Publius Memmius Albucius as praetor of provincia Gallia. Uti rogas. Regat noster loquax.
1j. Titus Flavius Aquila as legatus pro praetore of provincia Germania. Uti rogas. He, too, is an energetic citizen who has worked for the Religio.
1k. Marcus Curiatius Complutensis as consul of provincia Hispania. Uti rogas.
1l. Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Lacus Magni. His application is already in the Senate's mail list files. Uti rogas.
1m. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as proconsul of provincia Mediatlantica. Uti rogas.
1n. Marcus Iulius Severus as consul of provincia Mexico. Uti rogas.
1o. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Panonnia. Uti rogas. Lentulus is a fine young man who has done a great deal for this provincia, and for the Religio.
1p. Marcus Octavius Corvus as legatus pro praetore of provincia
Sarmatia. Uti rogas, though I am none too familiar with him.
1q. Caius Curius Saturninus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Thule. Uti rogas.

*SUV - On all the names put forward in all Provincia but Italia, as posted, amended and emended; Uti Rogas.

*GIC - Marcus Aurelius Celsus: Abstineo. All others, Uti Rogas

*MHM - To all items, Uti Rogas, with the exception of Celsus from Asia Citerior

*DIP - Uti Rogas for all

*GMM - Vti rogas, I vote to elect all.

*MMPH - 1a. Flavius Galerius Aurelianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia America Austrorientalis. Uti rogas. Pontifex Aurelianus has been a fine example of an active legatus pro praetore. His performance in this office has been all the more impressive when one considers the breadth of provincia Austrorientalis.
1b. Decimus Cassius Lupus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Argentina. Uti rogas.
1c. Marcus Aurelius Celsus as legatus pro praetor of provincia Asia
Citerior. Abstineo.
1d. Marcus Lucretius Agricola as legatus pro praetore of provincia Asia Ulterior. Uti rogas. Senator Agricola has excelled in every
office he has taken on. I am delighted to be able to vote to retain him in this office.
1e. Titus Arminius Genialis as legatus pro praetore of provincia
Brasilia. Uti rogas. Another enthusiastic and energetic officer in every position he has held. He shall serve well in this important provincia.
1f.Titus Annaeus Regulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada Citerior. His application is already in the Senate's mail list files. Uti rogas.
1g. Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada Ulterior. Uti rogas. A difficult provincia to develop for us due to its size and population. It is good to be able to retain an experienced Legatus here.
1h. Titus Iulius Sabinus as proconsul of provincia Dacia. Uti rogas. Without question I support my collega, Consularius Pontifex Sabinus, who has done an excellent job in this office.
1i.Publius Memmius Albucius as praetor of provincia Gallia. Uti rogas. Another delightful duty to vote in support of my verbose and humorous Amicus Albucius.
1j. Titus Flavius Aquila as legatus pro praetore of provincia Germania. Uti rogas. Germania had been one of our strongest and fastest growing provincia and then fell into silence for a while. Aquila has reawakened it. I support his efforts and wish him continued success.
1k. Marcus Curiatius Complutensis as consul of provincia Hispania. Uti rogas. There is no question here either that Consul Complutensis in the man to serve in any position he is offered. He stepped in at a difficult time and has done well to rebuild Hispania for Nova Roma.
1l. Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Lacus Magni. His application is already in the Senate's mail list files. Uti rogas. My home provincia has been quiet for years and yet it has remained an important provincia in providing Nova Roma with revenue, Assidui, magistrati and sacerdotes. Three of our Pontifices are from Ohio alone. Pontifex Metellus is once more becoming active after resolving his private affairs. I know him to be well organized, disciplined, and energetic. I expect that he shall do well to revive the provincia internally so that it may continue to
contribute to Nova Roma.
1m. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as proconsul of provincia Mediatlantica. Uti rogas.
1n. Marcus Iulius Severus as consul of provincia Mexico. Uti rogas. Another difficult provincia to develop for Nova Roma. And a very important provincia in how it could help Nova Roma extend into
areas further south. We shall need a strong Mexico to assist in organizing the Central American whose membership, although still small, has been growing.
1o.Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Panonnia. Uti rogas. A most excellent, energetic, devoted, and very active Legatus, I am delighted to vote once more for Pontifex Lentulus.
1p. Marcus Octavius Corvus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Sarmatia. Uti rogas. Sacerdos Iovis Corvus is a relatively new force in Nova Roma. I don't think many are yet aware of him. He has been successfully building what was a dormant provincia and he has been very active in building the religio Romana in his provincia.
1q. Caius Curius Saturninus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Thule. Uti rogas. Senator Saturninus shall have new challenges to face as CIO, but I am confident in his ability to meet those challenges and still serve as Legatus to his provincia.

*FAC - 1a. Flavius Galerius Aurelianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia America Austrorientalis. VTI ROGAS.
1b. Decimus Cassius Lupus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Argentina. VTI ROGAS.
1c. Marcus Aurelius Celsus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Asia Citerior. VTI ROGAS.
1d. Marcus Lucretius Agricola as legatus pro praetore of provincia Asia Ulterior. VTI ROGAS: I met him in the past and I was impressed by his skills and ideas.
1e. Titus Arminius Genialis as legatus pro praetore of provincia Brasilia. VTI ROGAS.
1f.Titus Annaeus Regulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada Citerior. His application is already in the Senate's mail list files. VTI ROGAS.
1g. Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada Ulterior. VTI ROGAS.
1h. Titus Iulius Sabinus as proconsul of provincia Dacia. VTI ROGAS: Sabinus is doing great thing in Dacia.
1i. Publius Memmius Albucius as praetor of provincia Gallia. VTI ROGAS: Albucius is the best governor for a so important Provincia.
1j. Titus Flavius Aquila as legatus pro praetore of provincia Germania. VTI ROGAS.
1k. Marcus Curiatius Complutensis as consul of provincia Hispania. VTI
ROGAS: A leader for NR and Hispania.
1l. Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Lacus Magni. His application is already in the Senate's mail list files. VTI ROGAS.
1m. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as proconsul of provincia Mediatlantica. VTI ROGAS.
1n. Marcus Iulius Severus as consul of provincia Mexico. VTI ROGAS.
1o. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Panonnia. VTI ROGAS.
1p. Marcus Octavius Corvus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Sarmatia. VTI ROGAS.
1q. Caius Curius Saturninus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Thule. VTI ROGAS: everyone know what he do for NR

*MIP - YES to all items.
*MAM - 1. Flavius Galerius Aurelianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia America Austrorientalis. Uti Rogas.
II.a.2. Decimus Cassius Lupus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Argentina. Uti Rogas.
II.a.3. Marcus Aurelius Celsus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Asia Citerior. The consul announced the withdrawal of this candidate.
II.a.4. Marcus Lucretius Agricola as legatus pro praetore of provincia Asia Ulterior. Uti Rogas.
II.a.5. Titus Arminius Genialis as legatus pro praetore of provincia Brasilia. Uti Rogas. Titus Arminius is a very active gubernator, and is leading provincia Brasilia in the right way. I can only vote in his prorogation.
II.a.6. Titus Annaeus Regulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada Citerior. Uti Rogas.
II.a.7. Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada Ulterior. Uti Rogas.
II.a.8. Titus Iulius Sabinus as proconsul of provincia Dacia. Uti Rogas.
II.a.9. Publius Memmius Albucius as praetor of provincia Gallia. Uti Rogas.
II.a.10. Titus Flavius Aquila as legatus pro praetore of provincia Germania. Uti Rogas.
II.a.11. Marcus Curiatius Complutensis as consul of provincia Hispania. Uti Rogas.
II.a.12. Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus as legatus pro
praetore of provincia Lacus Magni. Uti Rogas.
II.a.13. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as proconsul of provincia Mediatlantica. Uti Rogas.
II.a.14. Marcus Iulius Severus as consul of provincia Mexico. Uti Rogas.
II.a.15. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Panonnia. Uti Rogas.
II.a.16. Marcus Octavius Corvus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Sarmatia. Uti Rogas.
II.a.17. Caius Curius Saturninus as legatus pro praetore of provincia
Thule. Uti Rogas.

*ECF - -1a. Flavius Galerius Aurelianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia America Austrorientalis. Uti rogas.
-1b. Decimus Cassius Lupus as legatus pro praetore of provincial Argentina. Uti rogas.
-1c. Marcus Aurelius Celsus as legatus pro praetor of provincia Asia Citerior. Antiquo.
-1d. Marcus Lucretius Agricola as legatus pro praetore of provincial Asia Ulterior. Uti rogas.
-1e. Titus Arminius Genialis as legatus pro praetore of provincia Brasilia. Uti rogas.
-1f.Titus Annaeus Regulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada
Citerior. Uti rogas.
-1g. Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as legatus pro praetore of provincial Canada Ulterior. Uti rogas.
-1h. Titus Iulius Sabinus as proconsul of provincia Dacia. Uti rogas.
-1i. Publius Memmius Albucius as praetor of provincia Gallia. Uti rogas.
-1j. Titus Flavius Aquila as legatus pro praetore of provincial Germania. Uti rogas.
-1k. Marcus Curiatius Complutensis as consul of provincia Hispania. Uti rogas.
-1l. Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Lacus Magni. Uti rogas.
-1m. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as proconsul of provincial Mediatlantica. Antiquo.
-1n. Marcus Iulius Severus as consul of provincia Mexico. Uti rogas. -
-1o. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as legatus pro praetore of provincial Panonnia. Uti rogas.
-1p. Marcus Octavius Corvus as legatus pro praetore of provincial Sarmatia. Uti rogas.
-1q. Caius Curius Saturninus as legatus pro praetore of provincial Thule. Uti rogas.

*FGA - Uti Rogas to all presented

*GVA - Uti rogas to all appointments (aside from Celsus for Asia Citerior)

*CCS - -1a. Flavius Galerius Aurelianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia America Austrorientalis. Uti rogas.
-1b. Decimus Cassius Lupus as legatus pro praetore of provincial Argentina. Uti rogas.
-1c. Marcus Aurelius Celsus as legatus pro praetor of provincia Asia Citerior. Antiquo.
-1d. Marcus Lucretius Agricola as legatus pro praetore of provincial Asia Ulterior. Uti rogas. It's always a pleasure to vote for him.
-1e. Titus Arminius Genialis as legatus pro praetore of provincial Brasilia. Uti rogas.
-1f.Titus Annaeus Regulus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Canada Citerior. Uti rogas.
-1g. Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as legatus pro praetore of provincial Canada Ulterior. Uti rogas.
-1h. Titus Iulius Sabinus as proconsul of provincia Dacia. Uti rogas. He created one of the provincial success-stories we have. Naturally he has my support.
-1i. Publius Memmius Albucius as praetor of provincia Gallia. Uti rogas. I have understood that despite his poor record in other offices, he has done a decent job as governor.
-1j. Titus Flavius Aquila as legatus pro praetore of provincial
Germania. Uti rogas.
-1k. Marcus Curiatius Complutensis as consul of provincia Hispania. Uti rogas.
-1l. Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Lacus Magni. Uti rogas.
-1m. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as proconsul of provincial Mediatlantica. Antiquo. He is not suitable for any senior position.
-1n. Marcus Iulius Severus as consul of provincia Mexico. Uti rogas. -1o. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as legatus pro praetore of
provincial Panonnia. Uti rogas. Perhaps we see Pannonia as next success-story.
-1p. Marcus Octavius Corvus as legatus pro praetore of provincial Sarmatia. Uti rogas.
-1q. Caius Curius Saturninus as legatus pro praetore of provincia Thule. Uti rogas.

IIb) ITALIA PASSED (Caesar)
Senator Consularis Franciscus Apulus Caesar has requested to be prorogued as praefectus of Italia. His achievements and his services to the Res publica are well known by this august body. However, we have also received the candidacy of Gaius Aurelius Vindex. His proposal and assesment of the situation of Nova Roma in Italy, has been uploaded to the files in the Senate's mail list. You should decide, Patres et Matres Conscripti, who should be appointed as
praefectus of Italia.

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
18 UTI ROGAS
8 ANTIQUO
3 ABSTINEO

Gaius Aurelius Vindex
8 UTI ROGAS
18 ANTIQUO
3 ABSTINEO

*MCC - UTI ROGAS to Sen. F. Apulus Caesar with the recommendation that Vindex will be included in the structure of government of Italia and in the Curia Italiae

*MIS - VTI ROGAS to Senator Consularis F. Apulus Caesar

*GEM - After careful consideration and a great deal of thought I support his (FACs) continuation in office. I also encourage Vindex to take a more active role in Nova Roman government. VTI ROGAS FAC

*GPL - Uti Rogas for Vindex. A new perspective may help in this important province.

*PMA - UTI ROGAS for Fr. Apulus Caesar. Non profit making corporations like Pomerium are useful tools to boost romanity and spread the name of Nova Roma, as long that they stay in a dynamic relation with it. Even if Proconsul Caesar investment of time in the res publica is not as high as a few years ago, like most of our Illustrious citizens who have resumed their cursus honorum, the fact
that he has requested his prorogation as praefectus Italiae shows the honor that he still sees in this magistracy, and his commitment to serve it in the frame of our State. Renewing our support is a positive sign to our Italian cives involved in Pomerium that Nova Roma has well understood their motivations to develop the
romanity for the everyone's interest, including our republic's one, and their will staying in the heart of it. ANTIQUO for Gaius Aurelius Vindex, who deserves our attention and must be kept in the ranks of our officers.

*TOP – Uti rogas for Franciscus Apulus Caesar. Antiquo for Gaius Aurelius Vindex. He should consider getting some experience within Nova Roma before running for a leadership position.

*TGP - Vti Rogas for Gaius Aurelius Vindex.

*CFD - Uti Rogas for Franciscus Apulus Caesar.

*MLA - YES to Senator Consularis F. Apulus Caesar with the hope that Gaius Aurelius Vindex will join his staff. Having heard the opinions of C. Aurelius I eagerly anticipate his deeds and I sincerely hope that he will take this opportunity to demonstrate his capacity while working with the current leadership.

*CFBQ - UTI ROGAS to Consularis Franciscus Apulus Caesar. ANTIQUO to to Gaius Aurelius Vindex.

*TIS - Uti rogas. Consularis Apulus Caesar represents the necessary equilibrium between Nova Roma and the association Pomerium where the association Pomerium is the necessary connection between Italia Nova Roma and the Italian institutions. A competition between these associations can result in damages in a part or another. Aurelius Vindex, a close friend of mine, is fine candidate, too, with
good sense of duty and fine loyalty to Nova Roma. Working this year in the Curia Italica and receiving the Apulus Caesar support he will find the best ways to maintain that necessary equilibrium.

*QSP - Uti Rogas for Vindex

*ATMC - UTI ROGAS to retain Consularis Apulus as Praefectus.

*QFM - Abstineo

*EIL - Uti Rogas to Consularis Franciscus Apulus Caesar.

*ATS - Hoping that I am voting for Franciscus Apulus Caesar, assentior uti rogas. I do not know enough about Vindex to make a decision regarding his candidacy, therefore abstineo if his candidacy is separate. In any case, he should apprentice himself to some magistrate or other and get some experience before taking this on.

*SUV - Fr Apulus Caesar: Antiquo. Ga Aurelius Vindex: Uti Rogas.

*GIC - Uti Rogas for Vindex.

*MHM - Uti Rogas, Apulus Caesar is a successful praefectus;. We have heard about Vindex, let him work with Apulus Caesar and show what he can do to help his province.

*DIP - Uti Rogas for Vindex. Nothing against Caesar, he has served long and admirably but I am willing to give Vindex a try, especially since he wants to focus more on the religio.

*GMM - Pro Francisco Apulo Caesare

*MMPH - Italia holds special interest for me as the home of my bisnonni e famiglia. I am deeply concerned, as Pontifex Maximus, to hear of the complaints leveled against Consularius Apulus by fellow cultores Deorum. However, I am well aware of the position of our Praefectus and of the reasoning behind it. Nova Roma is a diverse organization and as such it holds diverse interests and goals.
Praefectus Apulus has offered to take Vindex into his administration, and I would like to see Vindex given the opportunity to develop the religio Romana more in this praefecture. For the time being I think it is best if Vindex work towards his goals within the efforts of others who are also struggling to build the praefecture further. Vindex should concentrate on building a strong and stable community of cultores Deorum to support the praefecture. And I trust that
he shall receive the support of Praefectus Apulus in his efforts. After considering many things, I think it is in Nova Roma's best interest, and in the interest for the long range goals of the religio Romana in Italia, to retain Consularius Apulus as Praefectus. Adsentior uti rogas.

*FAC - ABSTINEO

*MIP - YES to F. Apulus Caesar.

*MAM - Antiquo, and so I vote for Vindex. I am not against the honored consular Fr. Apulus, but in favor of change and perhaps renovation.

*ECF - Uti rogas for Fr. Apulus Caesar.

*FGA - Uti Rogas to Consularis Franciscus Apulus Caesar. I have always admired his ability to cross lines and build bridges among otherwise very disagreeable sorts of people.

*GVA - Uti rogas to Vindex as praefectus of Italia.

*CCS - Uti rogas for Fr. Apulus Caesar. I hope Vindex and other citizens in Italy will support and help him in his work.

ITEM III. FAILED
FLAG DESIGN PROPOSAL

The Consules will open a flag design competition, accepting submissions from citizens only.
III.1: A new design will enable us to copyright our flag and be fully protected. The current design is 200 years old and public domain. The change may include the addition of our service mark "Nova Roma" and/or may include the addition of a distinctive feature to the current design to make it uniquely our own and meet copyright parameters.
III.1.1A: Citizen Contestants should send their proposals within a month.
III.1.1B: Incentives in the way of prizes may include: Nova Roma sestertii and the proof sestertii, possibly exempt the winner from tax payment for a year (with approval), Lararium supplies or another appropriate prize, or choice of prizes, to be determined by the special task force.
III.1.2: Our Service Mark alone does not cover our Flag, only the words "Nova Roma," which cannot be used on any product without Nova Roma's authorization. This is a link and explanation from a law firm specializing in patent, trademark law:
http://www.piercela w.edu/thomasfiel d/ipbasics/ avoiding- patent-trademark-and-copyright- problems. php
III.2.1A: The few products that Nova Roma is offering now, like flyers and posters, are very poor in design and concept, not professional and may be open to copyright disputes.
III.3: The original flag proposal submitted by Senator T. Galerius Paulinus should continue as approved by the Senate with additional details such as price quote, sizes and distribution worked out in the NRFlag project yahoo ML. This will also encourage progress. It will take some time to for the contest to proceed, the new flag art to be generated and approved by the Senate etc.
III.3.1: Citizens will perceive added value for these flags as they will be, in essence, a limited edition. No more will be made thusly and so those who collect will buy them up. We have support of the NRflag project through the Cohors to see this through with a target date by April 21st 2009, Rome's Birthday.
III.3.2: In addition it is proposed that all funds from the flags (minus the costs) be channeled back to the new flag initiative.
III.3.3: Senatrix L. Livia Plauta has generously offered $1500 of her own money to this initiative. If utilized it will not be a drain to the treasury and the proceeds of the original flag proposition can be used to continue to support the funding of the purchase and distribution of the new and copyrighted Nova Roma flag.
III.4: A new total image of NR with a modern, professional, attractive style. The following will also be included in a Marketing Business Plan
III.4.1: New logotype
III.4.2: Coordinated image: flyers, posters, official stationary and legal documents, etc.
III.4.3: New web site layout, official email, newsletters, etc.
III.4.4: Marketing: flags, t-shirts, coins, etc.
III.4.5. Magazines: web e-zines and printed ones.
III.4.6: The first step could be the new flag design.

9 UTI ROGAS
14 ANTIQUO
6 ABSTINEO

*MCC - UTI ROGAS

*MIS - VTI ROGAS

*GEM - ABSTINEO, with a request to the consuls to incorporate all this month's discussion into a revised proposal for a contest to develop a new Nova Roma logo, which may or may not become part of a future flag. I think there are issues that remain unsettled, and I can not vote to go forward at this time, but I do think the idea of a contest open to all citizens has merit, and I'd like to see it happen.

*GPL - Antiquo

*PMA - ABSTINEO, not to prevent opening a possible interesting and creative work, and to pay homage to our collega Livia's generous act of evergetism. In the same time, the creation of a new flag has not being showed as a real necessity. In this spirit, we must not forget that, even if, according national laws, the expression 'SPQR' can be considered as being in the public domain, our republic should face its contradictions in this field: we cannot pretend that *we* are Rome, and, at the same time, not trying to affirm this pretension.

*TOP - Antiquo. We might need an additional logotype, but we DON'T need a new flag. If we can't protect the copyright, the world will not end.

*TGP - ANTIQUO

*CFD - Abstineo

*MLA - YES

*CFBQ - UTI ROGAS

*TIS - Abstineo. Abstaining is in fact my future trust vote for an item which requires more clarifications.

*QSP - Antiquo

*ATMC - UTI ROGAS

*QFM - Antiquo. New flag for Nova Roma is unnecessary. I Like the idea of Iunius that "SQPNR" logos should be our corporate symbol.

*EIL - Uti Rogas.

*ATS - Antiquo. Let us design a logo or whatever, not redesign the flag.

*SUV - Antiquo; I am still not sure the issue has been fully resolved as to whether we are seeking a copyrightable corporate logo (which would be our governmental insignia) or a symbol the State of Nova Roma.

*GIC - Antiquo

*MHM - Uti Rogas. Let the citizens old and new contribute. We have everything to gain.

*DIP - ANTIQUO. We don't need a new flag, our current one has served us well for years. I have no objection to creating a new logo but that is something entirely different.

*GMM – Nego. I vote against the flag proposal.

*MMPH - Adsentior uti rogas.

*FAC - VTI ROGAS: As suggested to the Consules, I hope this proposal would be involved in a more and new detailed and plan of promotion of our organization.

*MIP – Abstain.

*MAM – Abstineo.

*ECF – Antiquo.

*FGA - Antiquo. New flag for the respublica is unneccessary but I firmly believe we should consider "SQPNR" logos for stationary, books, bumperstickers, flyers, informational pamphlets, etc.

*GVA - Antiquo to the new flag proposal

*CCS - Antiquo. I would welcome a more coordinated approach for our design management.


ITEM IV. PASSED
YOUNG ROMAN'S CORNER AND POSTCARD EXCHANGE

1.0 Mission: The Young Roman's Corner and Postcard Exchange is created to help the children of Nova Roman citizens to learn about our Res publica and her provinces, and to promote bonds of friendship between children around the world, a better knowledge of Latin, and a true identity for our children, as future citizens of Nova Roma.
2.0 Summary: Project leader M. Octavius Corvus, legatus pro praetore of Sarmatia, will coordinate an email exchange and monthly newsletter. These will include information regarding a featured child of a citizen, birthdays, holidays, the different provinces, competitions and varied learning materials. The children may join by completeing a questionnaire that will be downloaded from the web site of Nova Rome and, once filled, it would be sent to an specific email address, to be created by M. Octavius Corvus.
3.0 Objectives:
3.1 Motivate Parents and Children to be more involved in Nova Roma.
3.2 Encourage creativity in our children through artwork will be used for Nova Roma postcards.
3.3 Promote communication through email exchange between children of citizens under 18 and a monthly newsletter to children and parents.
3.4 Promote an educational atmosphere through Nova Roma activities.
3.5 Encourage Nova Roman Scholars to submit short age appropriate articles.
4.0 Goals:
4.1 Increase membership and membership participation through family involvement.
4.2 Increase revenue due to seasonal postcards with the children's' art that can be purchased online.
4.3 Dedicated website for this purpose.

29 UTI ROGAS
0 ANTIQUO
0 ABSTINEO

*MCC - UTI ROGAS
*MIS - VTI ROGAS
*GEM - VTI ROGAS
*GPL - Uti rogas.
*PMA - UTI ROGAS for this generous idea.
*TOP - Uti rogas.
*TGP - Vti Rogas
*CFD - Uti Rogas
*MLA - YES
*CFBQ - UTI ROGAS
*TIS - Uti Rogas. This is an interesting project which can give to the minor applicants to the Nova Roma citizenship (our future citizens) a really chance to keep in connection closely.
*QSP - Uti rogas.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS It will be interesting if something comes of it.
*EIL - Uti Rogas.
*ATS - Assentior uti rogas. This appears to be a good idea.
*SUV - Uti Rogas; I am in favor of activities, which will involve our young people in a supervised, safe and educational manner.
*GIC - Uti rogas.
*MHM - Uti Rogas
*DIP - Uti rogas
*GMM - Vti rogas
*MMPH - Adsentior uti Rogas
*FAC - VTI ROGAS
*MIP - YES
*MAM - Uti Rogas.
*ECF - Uti rogas
*FGA - Uti Rogas
*GVA - Uti rogas to the postcard exchange
*CCS - Uti rogas. I don't see any harm in this effort although I'm a bit sceptical of the success of it.

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salute plurimam dicit: Vos quod fexitis, Deos omnes fortunare velim

Hodie est die pristini Nonas Martias; haec dies comitialis est: Supplicatio Vestae et Penatibus Publici

"Worship at the shrine of chaste Vesta, wish the Goddess joy, rejoice and offer incense on Ilian hearths. The countless number of titles of Caesar (Augustus), he preferred to earn, were increased (this day) by the pontifical office. Eternal Caesar's genius oversees eternal
Fires: you seeimperial tokens joined. Gods of ancient Troy, your bearer's most deserving prize, whose burden saved Aeneas from the
foe, a priest sprung from Aeneas handles kindred Gods: Vesta, watch over him whose hand tends the Holy Fire. Live well, fires. O live, I pray, undying flames." ~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 3.417-18

Ovid's reference to Vesta and the Penates are to temples built by Augustus. He made part of his Palatine palace over to Vesta after he
became Pontifex Maximus. This was dedicated on the anniversary of Augustus becoming Pontifex Maximus. The Temple of the Di Penates he built on the Velia (Augustus, Res Geste 19). As in other instances, the dedication of this temple, too, was made on a day significant in the life of Augustus, tying the festivals of the State religion to himself as a new Romulus.


AUC 741 / 12 BCE: Augustus Caesar adlected pontifex maximus.

"When Lepidus died, Augustus was appointed Pontifex Maximus and the Senate wished on this account to vote him other honors, but he replied that he would accept none of them; when the Senatores pressed him, he rose and left the chamber. The motion proposing additional honors, then, was not passed, and Augustus did not receive an official residence. However, as it was unavoidable that the Pontifex Maximus should live in a public residence, he made part of his own house public property. He gave the house of the Rex Sacrificulus to the Vestales Virgines because it shared a party wall with their own quarters." ~ Dio Cassius, Histories 54.27

"I declined to be made Pontifex Maximus in succession to a colleague still living, when the people tendered me that priesthood which my father had held. Several years later I accepted that sacred office when he at last was dead who, taking advantage of a time of civil
disturbance, had seized it for himself, such a multitude from all Italy assembling for my election, in the consulship of Publius Sulpicius and Gaius Valgius, as is never recorded to have been in Rome before." ~ Caesar Augustus, Res Geste 10

Romulus and the First Temple Dedicated at Rome

"Now the Sabines were a numerous and warlike people, and dwelt in unwalled villages, thinking that it behoved them, since they were Lacedaemonian colonists, to be bold and fearless. Nevertheless, seeing themselves bound by precious hostages, and fearing for their daughters, they sent ambassadors with reasonable and moderate demands, namely, that Romulus should give back to them their maidens, disavow his deed of violence, and then, by persuasion and legal enactment, establish a friendly relationship between the two peoples. But Romulus would not surrender the maidens, and demanded that the Sabines should allow community of marriage with the Romans, whereupon they all held long deliberations and made extensive preparations for war. But there was one exception. Acron, king of the Caeninenses, a man of courageous spirit and skilled in war, had been suspicious of the daring deeds of Romulus from the beginning, and now that this violence had been done the women, thinking him a menace to all peoples, and intolerable unless chastised, at once rose up in arms, and with a great force advanced against him. Romulus also marched out to meet him. But when they were face to face and had surveyed each other, they challenged mutually to single combat before battle, while their armies remained quiet under arms. Romulus, then, after making a vow that if he should conquer and overthrow his adversary, he would carry home the man's armour and dedicate it in person to Jupiter, not only conquered and overthrew him, but also routed his army in the battle which followed, and took his city as well. To the captured citizens, however, he did no harm beyond ordering them to tear down their dwellings and accompany him to Rome, where, he promised them, they should be citizens on equal terms with the rest." ~ Plutarch, Life of Romulus 16.1-4

"The men of Caenina made an attack upon Roman territory on their own account. Whilst they were scattered far and wide, pillaging and destroying, Romulus came upon them with an army, and after a brief encounter taught them that anger is futile without strength. He put them to a hasty flight, and following them up, killed their king and despoiled his body; then after slaying their leader took their city at the first assault. He was no less anxious to display his achievements than he had been great in performing them, so, after leading his victorious army home, he mounted to the Capitol with the spoils of his dead foe borne before him on a frame constructed for the purpose. He hung them there on an oak, which the shepherds looked upon as a sacred tree, and at the same time marked out the site for the temple of Jupiter, and addressing the god by a new title, uttered the following invocation: 'Jupiter Feretrius! these arms taken from a king, I, Romulus a king and conqueror, bring to thee, and on this domain, whose bounds I have in will and purpose traced, I dedicate a temple to receive the 'spolia opima' which posterity following my example shall bear hither, taken from the kings and generals of our foes slain in battle.' Such was the origin of the first temple dedicated in Rome. And the gods decreed that though its founder did not utter idle words in declaring that posterity would thither bear their spoils, still the splendour of that offering should not be dimmed by the number of those who have rivalled his achievement. For after so many years have elapsed and so many wars been waged, only twice have the "spolia opima" been offered. So seldom has Fortune granted that glory to men." ~ Titus Livius 1.10


Our thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 4.49.1:

"Be like the rocky promontory on which the waves continually break. Stands firm and the fury of the seething water are laid to rest."

SALVE ET SALVETE!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:

> M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salute plurimam dicit: Vos quod fexitis, Deos omnes fortunare velim
> Hodie est die pristini Nonas Martias; haec dies comitialis est: Supplicatio Vestae et Penatibus Publici>>>

Et Dies Natalis M. Moravi, Nova Roma Pontifex Maximus.

Felices natalis, care amice, teque bona Iuppiter auctet ope!

VALE ET VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus

Salvete omnes,

I add my very best birthday wishes for our Pontifex Maximus on this,
his natal day. Happy birthday Piscine, and I hope you'll enjoy many
more.

Valete,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salvete omnes,
I join the chorus of birthday wishes for our Pontifex Maximus.
Piscine, may you enjoy 100 of these days!

Optime vale,
Livia

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I add my very best birthday wishes for our Pontifex Maximus on this,
> his natal day. Happy birthday Piscine, and I hope you'll enjoy many
> more.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

Cato Moravio Piscino PPMM sal.

Salve!

Felicem diem natalem!

Vale!

Cato

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Gaius Aurelius Vindex  Omnibus et Quiritibus S.P.D.   I Thank very much all the Senators who have voted and particularly those Who, even without knowing me, had confidence in me. I eagerly hope that Your choice finds correspondence in a renewed action and engagement for Nova Roma of the Praefectus Italiae, to whom I give my best wishes and offer My congratulations. I will not skimp of course, there where demanded, my Collaboration and my engagement in favor of Nova Roman cause and of Nova Roma Italia.   Ringrazio tutti i Senatori che hanno votato ed in particolar modo modo quelli che, anche senza conoscermi, hanno avuto fiducia in me. Spero vivamente che la vostra scelta trovi corrispondenza in una rinnovata azione ed impegno per Nova Roma del Praefectus Italiae a cui faccio i mie migliori auguri e porgo le mie congratulazioni. Sicuramente non lesinerò, lì dove richiesta, la mia collaborazione ed il mio impegno a favore della causa Nova Romana e di Nova Roma Italia.   Valete

Severus Consul Piscino Pont. Max. et Auguri omnibusque sal.

Felicem diem natalem, amice!

Vale, et valete.

M•IVL•SEVERVS
CONSVL•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

SENATOR
CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO

Salve Pontifex Maximus!

Happy Birthday Pontifex Maximus!


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Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae

"GREETINGS & SALUTATIONS!" I am Herbert (Tuetonic: Bright Warrior) Hillary (Latin: Hilarious) Booker (British: Maker of Booker) 2nd (Named after my father's father). I was raised in the United States Navy and enlisted underage at 16 as an infantry soldier in the Army of the United States. I later advanced to the rank of Sergeant which comes from the Latin word for "Servant." Ended up as a Major in the reserves. I am a former educator of history, Roman era is my favourite! I can relate to the Roman Legions having marched over hills, mountains, and through the muddy earth of Korea, 49 years ago! I am an insignia graphic artist and scan old militaria and naval books showing insignia, medals, and uniforms worldwide. I was born and remain a PAGAN, as was my mother, sister, and daughter. I scan old books pape-by-page and like to trade information on military subjects. I have a large male orange tabby cat named CLOVIS, a good Latin name for my feline! I live in the Roman Province of Southern California in the village of Tujunga, in the County of Los Angeles (Lost Angels). I send FREE daily email scans of military subjects to anyone who emails me for them. I TRADE, but I do not sell and often I give stuff away. Grew up going to the Picture Show to watch "Sword & Sandels" motion pictures with Steve Reeves & others and enjoyed Italian movies immensely, especially Frederico Felini like "Felini's Satrycon!" Feel free to email me! Respectfully yours, "SARGE" Booker of Tujunga!

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CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Welcome Major Booker,

"Major Herbert Hillary Booker 2nd, A.A., B.A., M.A."
<hhbooker2@...> writes:

> [...] was raised in the United States Navy and enlisted underage at
> 16 as an infantry soldier in the Army of the United States. I later
> advanced to the rank of Sergeant which comes from the Latin word
> for "Servant." Ended up as a Major in the reserves.

I'm a retired Marine Master Sergeant who got up to Lieutenant Colonel
in the State Guard. In casual company I usually just mention the
Marine Master Sergeant part.

Anyhow, welcome to Nova Roma. You might want to look at our Sodalitas
Militarium, since that's where the military discussions happen. You
can find it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasMilitarium

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Dear Colonel Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:         Was also in the State Guard (California State Military Reserve) 1980s first at Los Alamitos Armed Forces Reserve Center. Was in the 118th Infantry Regiment, 30th (Old Hickory) Infantry Division in North Charleston, South Carolina and served at Camp Casey with the 31st INF REGT, 7th INF DIV (1960). Tried to enlist in the U.S.M.C. and they asked for proof of age and identity and their recruiting sergeant suggest the U.S. Army who were lax, I was not supposed to legally enlist for another two years.         A corporal in the Corps is equal to an army staff sergeant. In the navy they make the sailors E-3 (Seaman), and the army makes you E-2 (Private) after 4 months, but the USMC makes it harder to make E-2 (PFC), from what I understand? Army also awards more medals than the Corps, ironic? An airman or soldier gets service ribbons for graduating from boot camp and the USMC had to work hard to get the USMC GCM, but when a Marine goes to another branch they take their rank with them, going to the Corps means you start at the bottom. Knew a soldier who served in the Army, Coast Guard, Marine Corps, and Navy and planned to enlist in the Air Force next.         Respectfully yours, Sarge Booker of Tujunga --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote: From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] "Greetings & Salutations! To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 5:54 PM Welcome Major Booker, "Major Herbert Hillary Booker 2nd, A.A., B.A., M.A." <hhbooker2@yahoo. com> writes: > [...] was raised in the United States Navy and enlisted underage at > 16 as an infantry soldier in the Army of the United States. I later > advanced to the rank of Sergeant which comes from the Latin word > for "Servant." Ended up as a Major in the reserves. I'm a retired Marine Master Sergeant who got up to Lieutenant Colonel in the State Guard. In casual company I usually just mention the Marine Master Sergeant part. Anyhow, welcome to Nova Roma. You might want to look at our Sodalitas Militarium, since that's where the military discussions happen. You can find it at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/SodalitasM ilitarium Vale, CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Hello again Sergeant Booker,

hhbooker2@... writes:

> Dear Colonel Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:

Call me Colonel Gawne if you're going to use rank. We all have Roman
names here, but my rank goes with the name the rest of the world knows
me by. Around here I'm a magistrate and a senator, but you're welcome
to just call me Marinus.

>       Was also in the State Guard (California State Military
> Reserve) 1980s first at Los Alamitos Armed Forces Reserve Center.

I'm on the other side of the country, but I've run into some
California state guard guys at national meetings of the State Guard
Association.

> Was in the 118th Infantry Regiment, 30th (Old Hickory) Infantry
> Division in North Charleston, South Carolina and served at Camp
> Casey with the 31st INF REGT, 7th INF DIV (1960).

Now you're getting closer to Parris Island.

>       A corporal in the Corps is equal to an army staff sergeant.

At least. I think Marine Captains have about the same authority as
Army Colonels.

> Army also awards more medals than the Corps, ironic?

We don't pass medals out with the MREs.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

As i'm sure a lot of you did I joined Nova Roma to learn more about rome and there culture. So far it has been an educational and fun experiance. One thing I find hard about this community is that all communication is done through yahoo groups. And even though there are several for different areas of discussion I find it hard to follow all the topics in this enviroment.

I know many people have tried starting unoffical forums in the past so I decided to create a site that offers more than just another place to post our messages but a place to get together and get to know each other.

My Community site can be found at http://nrcden.org In addition to standard forum features such as personal messages and categorized posts I have included an arcade, photo gallery, categorized links page. I also have some boards that are posted to automatically through rss feeds and have provided links to the most common Nova Roma yahoo groups from the main section of the forum. These are just the primary features I felt would be needed to help bring us closer together. There are many other features that could be added.

Sorry this post is so long and thanks for bearing with me. The last thing to note is since the site was just completed naturally i'll be looking for moderators and admins as people start coming to the site. If you should wish to apply email details about yourself to abarbatus@....

Salve:

Instead of trying to build up your own site why not volunteer to help the new CIO of Nova Roma, Caius Curius Saturninus, with updates to the website and forum establishment in an official capacity.  I can assure you that most people here in Nova Roma will not use your service over a long term period.  You might get a few of your friends, but not the majority of active citizens in Nova Roma.  If you want to be more active then you should volunteer to help an existing magistrate instead of attempting to create something that conflicts with the official.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Denzel Holmes <eagled2@...> wrote:

As i'm sure a lot of you did I joined Nova Roma to learn more about rome and there culture. So far it has been an educational and fun experiance. One thing I find hard about this community is that all communication is done through yahoo groups. And even though there are several for different areas of discussion I find it hard to follow all the topics in this enviroment.

I know many people have tried starting unoffical forums in the past so I decided to create a site that offers more than just another place to post our messages but a place to get together and get to know each other.

My Community site can be found at http://nrcden.org. In addition to standard forum features such as personal messages and categorized posts I have included an arcade, photo gallery, categorized links page. I also have some boards that are posted to automatically through rss feeds and have provided links to the most common Nova Roma yahoo groups from the main section of the forum. These are just the primary features I felt would be needed to help bring us closer together. There are many other features that could be added.

Sorry this post is so long and thanks for bearing with me. The last thing to note is since the site was just completed naturally i'll be looking for moderators and admins as people start coming to the site. If you should wish to apply email details about yourself to abarbatus@....

I would be more than willing to help with the official site but that project will take some time. My hope in creating this forum was not to conflict with the official site but to be a place to get together while the programmers are finishing the official forums. Once the official forums are complete I would hope we could move the posts from my forum to the official forum and use that instead.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Salve:
>
> Instead of trying to build up your own site why not volunteer to help the
> new CIO of Nova Roma, Caius Curius Saturninus, with updates to the website
> and forum establishment in an official capacity. I can assure you that most
> people here in Nova Roma will not use your service over a long term period.
> You might get a few of your friends, but not the majority of active citizens
> in Nova Roma. If you want to be more active then you should volunteer to
> help an existing magistrate instead of attempting to create something that
> conflicts with the official.
>
> Vale;
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Denzel Holmes <eagled2@...> wrote:
>
> > As i'm sure a lot of you did I joined Nova Roma to learn more about rome
> > and there culture. So far it has been an educational and fun experiance. One
> > thing I find hard about this community is that all communication is done
> > through yahoo groups. And even though there are several for different areas
> > of discussion I find it hard to follow all the topics in this enviroment.
> >
> > I know many people have tried starting unoffical forums in the past so I
> > decided to create a site that offers more than just another place to post
> > our messages but a place to get together and get to know each other.
> >
> > My Community site can be found at http://nrcden.org In addition to
> > standard forum features such as personal messages and categorized posts I
> > have included an arcade, photo gallery, categorized links page. I also have
> > some boards that are posted to automatically through rss feeds and have
> > provided links to the most common Nova Roma yahoo groups from the main
> > section of the forum. These are just the primary features I felt would be
> > needed to help bring us closer together. There are many other features that
> > could be added.
> >
> > Sorry this post is so long and thanks for bearing with me. The last thing
> > to note is since the site was just completed naturally i'll be looking for
> > moderators and admins as people start coming to the site. If you should wish
> > to apply email details about yourself to abarbatus@...<abarbatus%40gmail.com>
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aulo Valerio Barbato salutem dicit

I don't mean to rain on your parade but people (the majority of people) are not going to use your site.  If you wish to be active I would recommend working on an existing team rather than trying to invent your own wheel. 

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Denzel Holmes <eagled2@...> wrote:

I would be more than willing to help with the official site but that project will take some time. My hope in creating this forum was not to conflict with the official site but to be a place to get together while the programmers are finishing the official forums. Once the official forums are complete I would hope we could move the posts from my forum to the official forum and use that instead.

Cn. Iulius Caesar aedilis curulis, omnibus Quiritibus sal.

As of the end of Day 5 the top three scores in the Ludi Novi Romani are:

Cn. Equitius Marinus: 13

L. Julia Aquila: 6

C. Petronius Dexter: 4

With 12 questions left to score with a minimum of 1 point for each correct
basic answer and a bonus point possible for an expanded correct answer, and
the very real possibility of incorrect answers, there is still everything
left to play for.

Good luck to all the contestants!

Optime valete!

Salve, et salvete,

A very Happy Birthday to you Pontifex Maximus with wishes throughout the year!

Vale, et valete,

Julia Aquila

Salve Major Booker,

Greetings and Salutations to you also. Welcome.

Vale,

Julia Aquila

Cato omnes in foro SPD

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Nonis Martiis; haec dies fastus est.

"The Nones of March are free of meetings, because it's thought
The temple of Veiovis was consecrated today before the two groves.
When Romulus ringed his grove with a high stone wall,
He said: `Whoever takes refuge here, they will be safe.'
O from how tenuous a beginning the Romans sprang!
How little that crowd of old are to be envied!
But so the strange name won't confuse you, unknowingly,
Learn who this god is, and why he is so called.
He is the young Jupiter: see his youthful face:
Then see his hand, holding no lightening bolt.
Jove carried his lightning bolts after the Giants dared
Their attempt on the heavens: at first he was unarmed.
Ossa blazed with his new fires, and Pelion higher than Ossa,
And Olympus rooted to the solid earth.
A she-goat stands there too: they say the Cretan nymphs
Nursed the god: and she gave her milk to the infant Jove.
Now I'm called on to explain the name. Farmers call
Stunted grain vegrandia, and what's feeble vesca.
If that's the meaning, why should I not suspect
That the shrine of Veiovis is that of Little Jupiter?
Now when the stars glitter in the dark-blue sky,
Look up: you'll see the head of Gorgonian Pegasus.
It's said he leapt from the fecund neck of dead Medusa,
His mane drenched with her blood.
As he glided above the clouds, beneath the stars,
The sky was his earth, wings acted instead of feet,
And soon he champed indignantly on the fresh bit,
So that his light hoof created Helicon's Aonian spring.
Now he enjoys the sky, that his wings once sought,
And glitters there brightly with his fifteen stars." - Ovid, Fasti III

"Secondly, finding that many of the cities in Italy were very badly
governed, both by tyrannies and by oligarchies, he undertook to
welcome and attract to himself the fugitives from these cities, who
were very numerous, paying no regard either to their calamities or to
their fortunes, provided only they were free men. His purpose was to
increase the power of the Romans and to lessen that of their
neighbours; but he invented a specious pretext for his course, making
it appear that he was showing honour to a god. For he consecrated the
place between the Capitol and the citadel which is now called in the
language of the Romans "the space between the two groves," — a term
that was really descriptive at that time of the actual conditions, as
the place was shaded by thick woods on both sides where it joined the
hills, — and made it an asylum for suppliants. And built a temple
there, — but to what god or divinity he dedicated it I cannot say for
certain, — he engaged, under the colour of religion, to protect those
who fled to it from suffering any harm at the hands of their enemies;
and if they chose to remain with him, he promised them citizenship and
a share of the land he should take from the enemy. And people came
flocking thither from all parts, fleeing from their calamities at
home; nor had they afterwards any thought of removing to any other
place, but were held there by daily instances of his sociability and
kindness." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 1.15.1-4

"Meantime the City was growing by the extension of its walls in
various directions an increase due rather to the anticipation of its
future population than to any present overcrowding. His next care was
to secure an addition to the population that the size of the City
might not be a source of weakness. It had been the ancient policy of
the founders of cities to get together a multitude of people of
obscure and low origin and then to spread the fiction that they were
the children of the soil. In accordance with this policy, Romulus
opened a place of refuge on the spot where, as you go down from the
Capitol, you find an enclosed space between two groves. A promiscuous
crowd of freemen and slaves, eager for change, fled thither from the
neighbouring states. This was the first accession of strength to the
nascent greatness of the city." - Livy, History of Rome 1.7

Veiovis (Vediovis) is one of the oldest of the Roman gods. He is a god
of healing, and was later associated with the Greek Asclepius. He was
mostly worshipped in Rome and Bovillae in Latium. On the Capitoline
Hill and on the Tiber Island temples were erected in his honor. In
spring, goats were sacrificed to avert plagues. Veiovis is portrayed
as a young man, holding a bunch of arrows (or lightning bolts) in his
hand, and is accompanied by a goat. He is probably based on the
Etruscan god Veive.

The Temple of Veiovis was only brought to light in 1939, during the
excavation underneath Piazza del Campidoglio for the creation of the
Gallery Junction. The parts of the building which make up the Palazzo
Senatorio are superimposed both over the temple and over the nearby
Tabularium, thereby managing to obscure the Roman building almost
completely and as a result saving it from destruction.

According to ancient sources, and based on the discovery, in the area
of the cella, of a marble statue used for religious purposes, it has
been possible to identify the divinity to whom this temple was
dedicated: Veiovis, the youthful God of the underworld who was the
ancient Italic version of Jupiter. Latin authors define its position
as being "inter duos lucos", that is to say between two sacred woods
situated on the two heights of the Capitoline Hill. In the same area
was also situated the Asylum, where, legend has it, Romulus extended
hospitality to fugitives from other parts of the Latium region, in
order to populate the new city which he founded.

Consecrated in 196 B.C. by Consul Lucius Furius Purpurio in the Battle
of Cremona during the war against the Boii Gauls, the temple was then
dedicated in 192 B.C. by Quintus Marcius Ralla.

Valete bene!

Cato

SALVE JULIA AQUILA!         Do you know what name in Latin would be equivalent to Herbert (Tuetonic: Bright Warrior) or my middle name of Hillary would be Hilarious? My surname is Booker, maybe Biblio as in book? Just curious? Many of our military ranks came directly or indirectly from Latin, like Colonel and Sergeant and maybe Corporal? It would be interesting to see the military ranks of the Roman Legions spelled out and the numbers under each rank, etc.? Thank you for writing, Julia Aquila, Aquila as in Eagle like Aguilar or Adler?         Booker el Segundo --- On Sat, 3/7/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote: From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: "Greetings & Salutations! To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 12:22 PM Salve Major Booker, Greetings and Salutations to you also. Welcome. Vale, Julia Aquila

Salve Booker el Segundo,

hhbooker2@... writes:

>       Do you know what name in Latin would be equivalent to Herbert
> (Tuetonic: Bright Warrior) or my middle name of Hillary would be
> Hilarious? My surname is Booker, maybe Biblio as in book? Just
> curious?

While there probably are latin words that would represent an
approximate translation of those concepts, that's not how the Romans
latinized the names of people who became Roman citizens. If you're
thinking of taking a Roman name, I recommend you read our website page
about choosing a Roman name, found at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Choosing_a_Roman_name

> It would be interesting to see the military ranks of the Roman
> Legions spelled out and the numbers under each rank, etc.

See http://www.unrv.com/military/legion.php

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

 A. Tullia Scholastica Majori Booker quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

SALVE JULIA AQUILA!
 
      Do you know what name in Latin would be equivalent to Herbert (Tuetonic: Bright Warrior) or my middle name of Hillary would be Hilarious?

    ATS:  As you are new here, let me introduce myself by saying that I am a senior Latinist, and teach online courses in Latin as well as assist in the censors’ office.   L. Julia Aquila is an auditor in my elementary, traditional-method Latin course.  

    The name Hillary/Hilary comes directly from Latin hilaris or hilarus [NOT hilarious], which is unusual in that it appears in two different declensions, or incompatible paradigm sets.  If we were to Latinize Herbert, it would likely be Herbertus, but we would have to chase down the etymology to be sure.  Miles (two syllables) is Latin for soldier, presumably also warrior.

My surname is Booker, maybe Biblio as in book?

    ATS:  Biblion is Greek for book, and provides our word Bible, as well as bibliophile and the French bibliothèque.  Other Greek words are also involved in the formation of all but the word Bible.  We discourage translation of names, so likely your surname as Latinized would be Bookerus.  Again, we would have to check the etymology to come up with anything else, say whether this refers to a bookseller (bibliopola, a word of Greek origin), a librarian, someone who can read, etc.

Just curious? Many of our military ranks came directly or indirectly from Latin, like Colonel and Sergeant and maybe Corporal?

    ATS:  Well, sergeant is very definitely not Latin, though the equivalent rank is likely to be the centurio.  The spelling looks like something from Old or possibly Middle English.  Colonel also does not appear to be Latin; the closest words are colonia, a colony; colonus, a farmer, and colonicus/coloniarius, belonging to a colony.  Corporal, on the other hand, is Latin by origin, from corporalis, pertaining to the body, but whether this is the actual source of the military rank I do not know, and leave to the military experts among us.   Major is Latin (though I don’t believe they had such a rank), and lieutenant (I believe) is French (lieu tenant, one who holds a place, very literally), ultimately likely from Latin legatus, envoy, lieutenant.  General is imperator or dux.  Periodically the consul was more or less general of the army, but the Romans did not appear to have had the subdivisions within the ranks that we do.  However, there were some distinctions, as with the primipilus and such.  I am treading on shaky ground with regard to the military, so hope that the soldiers among us will reply and correct me if needed.  

It would be interesting to see the military ranks of the Roman Legions spelled out and the numbers under each rank, etc.? Thank you for writing, Julia Aquila, Aquila as in Eagle like Aguilar or Adler?

    ATS:  Aquila is her cognomen, and does mean eagle.  It’s a fairly common cognomen here (too common)!
 
      Booker el Segundo

Vale, et valete.  

--- On Sat, 3/7/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote:

From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: "Greetings & Salutations!
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 12:22 PM

Salve Major Booker,

Greetings and Salutations to you also. Welcome.

Vale,

Julia Aquila

 
  

Salve Barbate,
I had a look and registered at your forum to see if it could be used for NR.
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to have email capabilities, which seem to be important for many users of the current mailing lists. By this I mean the possibility to post and receive posts by email without going to a website.
People have indicated that this would be a requirement, the times this topic has been discussed in the past.

Your forum also has serious problems with the Latin denominations.

This said, I don't think the forum could be used in this form, but I'm sure the recently nominated CIO, C. Curius Saturninus, whose task is the complete overhaul of NR's website and forums, would welcome you if you decided to apply to join his team.

Optime vale,
Livia

>
> As i'm sure a lot of you did I joined Nova Roma to learn more about rome and there culture. So far it has been an educational and fun experiance. One thing I find hard about this community is that all communication is done through yahoo groups. And even though there are several for different areas of discussion I find it hard to follow all the topics in this enviroment.
>
> I know many people have tried starting unoffical forums in the past so I decided to create a site that offers more than just another place to post our messages but a place to get together and get to know each other.
>
> My Community site can be found at http://nrcden.org In addition to standard forum features such as personal messages and categorized posts I have included an arcade, photo gallery, categorized links page. I also have some boards that are posted to automatically through rss feeds and have provided links to the most common Nova Roma yahoo groups from the main section of the forum. These are just the primary features I felt would be needed to help bring us closer together. There are many other features that could be added.
>
> Sorry this post is so long and thanks for bearing with me. The last thing to note is since the site was just completed naturally i'll be looking for moderators and admins as people start coming to the site. If you should wish to apply email details about yourself to abarbatus@...
>

Ave Booker el Segundo;

This site is a good *^*starting place*^* to learn word origins:
http://www.etymonline.com

private: (adj.) c.1380, from L. privatus "set apart, belonging to
oneself" (not to the state), used in contrast to publicus, communis;
originally pp. stem of privare "to separate, deprive," from privus
"one's own, individual," from Old L. pri "before." Replaced O.E.
syndrig. Grew popular 17c. as a preferred alternative to the snobbish
overtones in common. Meaning "not open to the public" is from 1398. Of
persons, "not holding public office" it is recorded from 1432. ***
Private soldier "one below the rank of a non-commissioned officer" is
from 1579. ***
corporal: (n.)1579, from M.Fr. corporal, from It. caporale "a
corporal," from capo "chief, head," from L. caput "head" (see head).
So called because he was in charge of a body of troops. Perhaps infl.
by It. corpo, from L. corps "body." Or corps may be the source and
caput the influence, as the OED believes.

sergeant: (n.) c.1200, "servant," from O.Fr. sergent, from M.L.
servientum (nom. serviens) "servant, vassal, soldier" (in L.L. "public
official"), from L. servientem "serving," prp. of servire "to serve"
(see serve); cognate with Sp. sirviente, It. servente. Specific sense
of "military servant" is attested from c.1290; that of "officer whose
duty is to enforce judgments of a tribunal or legislative body" is
from c.1300 (sergeant at arms is attested from 1377). Meaning
"non-commissioned military officer" first recorded 1548. Originally a
much more important rank than presently. As a police rank, in Great
Britain from 1839. Colloquial shortening sarge is attested from 1867.
M.E. alternate spelling serjeant (from O.Fr.) was retained in Britain
in special use as title of a superior order of barristers (1297, from
legal L. serviens ad legem, "one who serves (the king) in matters of
law"), abolished 1880, from which Common Law judges were chosen; also
used of certain other officers of the royal household. sergeant-major
is from 1573.

lieutenant: (n) c.1375, "one who takes the place of another," from
O.Fr. lieu tenant "substitute," lit. "placeholder," from lieu "place"
+ tenant, prp. of tenir "to hold." The notion is of a "substitute" for
higher authority. Specific military sense of "officer next in rank to
a captain" is from 1578. Pronunciation with lef- is common in Britain,
and spellings to reflect it date back to 14c., but the origin of it is
mysterious.

colonel: (n) 1548, coronell, from M.Fr. coronel, modified by
dissimilation from It. colonnella "commander of a column of soldiers
at the head of a regiment," from compagna colonella "little column
company," from L. columna "pillar" (see hill). Eng. spelling modified
1583 to conform with It., but the earlier pronunciation was retained.

On a first survey, it looks as though our modern military ranks have
little to no basis in Classic Latin.

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Thank you --- On Sat, 3/7/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote: From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: "Greetings & Salutations! To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 8:22 PM Salve Major Booker, Greetings and Salutations to you also. Welcome. Vale, Julia Aquila

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salute plurimam dicit: Bonam habete Fortunam

Hodie est ante diem VIII Eidus Martias; haec dies fastus aterque est:

Ab Urbe condita: The legend of Tarpeia

"Spurius Tarpeius was in command of the Roman citadel. Whilst his daughter had gone outside the fortifications to fetch water for some religious ceremonies, Tatius bribed her to admit his troops within the citadel. Once admitted, they crushed her to death beneath their shields, either that the citadel might appear to have been taken by assault, or that her example might be left as a warning that no faith should be kept with traitors. A further story runs that the Sabines were in the habit of wearing heavy gold armlets on their left arms and richly jeweled rings, and that the girl made them promise to give her `what they had on their left arms,' accordingly they piled their shields upon her instead of golden gifts. Some say that in bargaining for what they had in their left hands, she expressly asked for their shields, and being suspected of wishing to betray them, fell a victim to her own bargain." ~ Titus Livius 1.11.6


Origin of the Temple of Jupiter Stator

"The citadel thus occupied by the Sabines, Romulus angrily challenged them to battle, and Tatius was bold enough to accept, since he saw that the Sabines, if worsted, had a strong place of retreat. For the intervening space, in which they were to join battle, being surrounded by many hills, seemed to impose upon both parties a sharp and grievous contest, owing to the difficulties of the field, where flight and pursuit must be narrowly confined and short. 3 It happened, too, since the river had overflowed not many days before, that a deep and blind slime had been left in the valley where the forum is now. Wherefore it was not apparent to the eye, nor yet easy to avoid, and besides it was soft beneath the surface and dangerous. On to this the Sabines were ignorantly rushing, when a piece of good fortune befell them. Curtius, a conspicuous man among them, eager for glory and high design, was advancing on horseback far in front of the rest, when his horse sank in the gulf of mud. For some time he tried to drive him out, with blows and cries of encouragement, but since it was impossible, he abandoned his horse and saved himself. Accordingly, the place to this day is called from him "lacus Curtius." But the Sabines, having avoided this peril, fought a sturdy fight, and one which was indecisive, although many fell, among whom was Hostilius. This man, they say, was husband of Hersilia and grandfather to the Hostilius who was king after Numa. Afterwards many conflicts raged within a short time, as might be expected, but one is most memorable, namely the last, in which Romulus was hit on the head with a stone and almost fell to the ground, abandoning his resistance to the Sabines. The Romans thereupon gave way and began to fly to the Palatine, now that they were repulsed from the plain. But presently Romulus, recovering from his blow, wished to stem the tide of fugitives and renew the battle, and called upon them with a loud voice to stand and fight. But as the waves of flight encompassed him and no man dared to face about, he stretched his hands towards heaven and prayed Jupiter to stay his army and not suffer the Roman cause to fall, but to restore it. No sooner was his prayer ended than many stopped out of reverence for their king, and courage returned to the fugitives. They made their first stand, then, where now is the Temple of Jupiter Stator, which epithet might be interpreted as Stayer. Then they closed their ranks again and drove the Sabines back to where the so called Regia now stands, and the Temple of Vesta." ~ Plutarch, Life of Romulus 18.2-7


Our thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 4.33:

"The words which were formerly familiar are now antiquated: so also the names of those who were famed of old, are now in a manner
antiquated, Camillus, Caeso, Volesus, Leonnatus, and a little after also Scipio and Cato, then Augustus, then also Hadrian and Antoninus. For all things soon pass away and become a mere tale, and complete oblivion soon buries them. And I say this of those who have shone in a wondrous way. For the rest, as soon as they have breathed out their breath, they are gone, and no man speaks of them. And, to conclude the matter, what is even an eternal remembrance? A mere nothing. What then is that about which we ought to employ our serious pains? This one thing, thoughts just, and acts social, and words which never lie, and a disposition which gladly accepts all that happens, as necessary, as usual, as flowing from a principle and source of the same kind."

I understand where you are coming from and full expect that possibility. When I asked about it a few months ago no one had anything like this except for forums for various groups. I was even asked to join on working on the official site but was not a citizen at the time. I've had a few people sign up already. All it would take is a few people actively using the site and it would it would meet my expectations as they would eventually want to bring there friends there as well.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aulo Valerio Barbato salutem dicit
>
> I don't mean to rain on your parade but people (the majority of people) are
> not going to use your site. If you wish to be active I would recommend
> working on an existing team rather than trying to invent your own wheel.
>
> Vale;
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Denzel Holmes <eagled2@...> wrote:
>
> > I would be more than willing to help with the official site but that
> > project will take some time. My hope in creating this forum was not to
> > conflict with the official site but to be a place to get together while the
> > programmers are finishing the official forums. Once the official forums are
> > complete I would hope we could move the posts from my forum to the official
> > forum and use that instead.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Since it is not official, or under a magistrate, you should consider removing the name Nova Roma from your forums.  At the very least indicate that this is YOUR forum and show where people can subscribe to official NR lists and have a link to the official NR site.  Otherwise, if people find your site firs they will not assume YOU are Nova Roma.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Denzel Holmes <eagled2@...> wrote:

I understand where you are coming from and full expect that possibility. When I asked about it a few months ago no one had anything like this except for forums for various groups. I was even asked to join on working on the official site but was not a citizen at the time. I've had a few people sign up already. All it would take is a few people actively using the site and it would it would meet my expectations as they would eventually want to bring there friends there as well.

Tiberius Horatius Barbatus Quiritibus S.P.D.

New England Conference of Mithraic Studies

The subject event, while not a Nova Roma sponsored event, is one which is certainly of consideration to those who are interested in the different religions and cults of ancient Rome. It is a long-enduring event and was one of the first events offered in the Provincia Nova Britannia. The worship of Mithra was a popular one with the officers and men of the Legions, and it is believed in some quarters that this religion had a significant impact on ancient Christianity, in regard to the different aspects of the religion and the way the Religion was honored and celebrated.

This conference is held in New Haven, CT the 17th through 19th of April, and arranged by Sibylla Ambrosia Fulvia. Current plans call for a scholarly raid on the stacks of Yale University Library followed by a Bull Feast and evening presentations on Mithraism in the Imperium Romanum and on allied subjects of interest to students of history.

Convention sessions will be held at the New Haven Courtyard-by- Marriott, about four blocks from Yale Library. The Courtyard has ample parking on site, a marvelous thing for downtown in a university town.

I therefore urge any citizen or friend of Nova Roma, who may be interested in Mithraism, ancient Roman Religions and cults, or just in an opportunity to meet others so interested for discussions and a good time to consider this event.

For more information, or to register go to the web site:

http://www.mithraco n.org/index. html

Gratias

Di vos incolumes custodiant

Salvéte, amícae et amící!

 

Good morning to everyone, to you Major Booker(MB), and to you esteemed Magistra(ATS).

 

MB: Do you know what name in Latin would be equivalent to Herbert (Tuetonic: Bright Warrior) or my middle name of Hillary would be Hilarious?

 

      As you see Scholastica has been helpful in that respect. Herbert Hillary is a fine name.

 

MB: Julia Aquila, Aquila as in Eagle like Aguilar or Adler?

 

       Aquila does mean Eagle. Indicating that the one bearing the title is strong as an Eagle. This is also my birth cognomen, so it follows it should be my NR cognomen. This is inherited from a long familial paternal military Roman bloodline with a long written and verbal history. The name Aquila indicates that one possesses a certain amount of "lordliness" or has eagle eyes, or a very sharp mind or intellect. At one time, as family lore goes (veracity/accuracy is debatable in early history until about the 11^th c. right now anyway according to ongoing research), this was/is a Patrician Gens, or a modern "spelling" of it, however there are other Gens intermarried, including Iulii (and some not used in NR). Oh and before I am corrected, this also became a Plebian Gens later on. It certainly has a "naming" aspect for those inhabiting ancestral (and not so ancestral) lands whose name is a derivative of Aquila. So the cognomen, Aquila, for me at least, encompasses a vast history and is not a choice but a birthright.

 

      Aguilar, on the other hand is a name given to those who inhabit towns or regions of Spanish, Sephardic Jewish and Catalan origin whose name is a derivative of  the Latin aquilare which means haunt of eagles. In turn aquilare is a derivative of Aquila.

Adler means noble eagle, since it is comes from the German adelar. For the Ashkenazi (German Jewish people) it does mean Eagle also. Of course we see the influence there as well.

      Booker comes from bocere, old English, from boc aka book. That is if you are of English ancestry. German (or Swiss) ancestry, on the other hand, the variant Bucher, means beech tree and can also be associated with the names of ancestral inhabited lands that were noted for their beech woods. Since you mentioned your Tuetonic names, this would probably be closer to the meaning you are looking for and a name of very good repute and high status.

 

ATS: L. Julia Aquila is an auditor in my elementary, traditional-method Latin course.

 

       *laughs* Translation: L. Julia Aquila knows very little Latin (knows nothing), but can say hello and goodbye a few different ways and occasionally gets declension, gender and number correct. 

 

ATS:  Aquila is her cognomen, and does mean eagle.  It's a fairly common cognomen here (too common)!

 

      BUTÂ… not actually because out of the 20 citizens with this cognomen 13 are noted as Capite Censi (12 have not paid their taxes, and 1 is new) 3 are minors. This leaves four noted as "Assidui" who taxes are up to date.

Of the four 2 are active: myself and the honorable T. Flavius Aquila.  So from this perspective, it is not common.

     Major Booker: I will leave you to look up Capite Censi and Assidui and from there you can decide the implications yourself. Just a little homework. With that tis a good thing to do your homework.J Also T. Flavius Aquila is from Germany and may be able to provide some insight to your queries.

 

Valéte et habéte fortúnam bonam!

 Julia Aquila

Greetings & Salutations!         True, names like Herbert and Hillary are Tuetonic names and many Germanic warriors became part of the Roman Legions and some became Roman citizens. My names are of course, pre-Christian names going back to the forests of Germany. My surname Booker can be translated into most living and dead languages also, a universal family name! I believe it is Bucher in German, Kitab in Arabic, etc. I was an underage solier at age 16 in the light weapons infantry, would probably have been in the military 2,000 years ago alsdo?         Grew up a "navy brat" as my sister's father was a submarine sailor stationed in China in 1934 and who served in the South Pacific and I was a Boy Scout, later a Sea Explorer (Sea Scout), then in the regular Army of the United States station at Camp Casey, Korea in 1960, the South Carolina Army National Guard in 1963 in North Charleston, South Carolina, then the Civil Air Patrol several times, the Maryland Naval Militia (non political), the California State Military Reserve, the U.S. Service Command, and the American Volunteer Reserve; the latter two are burial honour socities providing final honours free to families of veterans. I am their photographer and their graphic artist as I am a former signpainter and graphic artist turned school teacher, U.S. and world history, as well as teaching his-story, taught her-story as well! My mother's mother, my mother, my sister, and my daughter were all Wiccans (Pagans) and I too am a Pagan for 66 years! I also look to my Latin roots, my mother's mother was Latin (French/Indian) and my daughter's mother is Puerto Rican, some of her roots in Spain. I am proud of my Latin-Germanic roots. In my other lives I was a citizen of Rome, we also believe in reincarnation as we get re-cycled! I enjoyed also "I, CLAUDIUS" on P.B.S.! Rome never died as we, the British, and others of Europe have Roman alphabet, Roman laws, Roman customs, etc., We are "Rome!" We share Latin words in English and pharmacies and zookeepers know and use Latin. It was sad when the Church of Rome stopped teaching their priesthood Latin, they should restore Latin! Entering a Roman Catholic Cathedral is a step back into history when you see the way it is built, the Roman priestly vestantments, etc.! Purple is still the colour of royalty as it was for the Roman Senate - Senatus Populus Que Romanus! Herbert the Brave Warrior --- On Sun, 3/8/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote: From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Senatus Populus Que Romanus To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 10:37 AM Salvéte, amícae et amící!   Good morning to everyone, to you Major Booker(MB), and to you esteemed Magistra(ATS) .   MB: Do you know what name in Latin would be equivalent to Herbert (Tuetonic: Bright Warrior) or my middle name of Hillary would be Hilarious?         As you see Scholastica has been helpful in that respect. Herbert Hillary is a fine name.   MB: Julia Aquila, Aquila as in Eagle like Aguilar or Adler?          Aquila does mean Eagle. Indicating that the one bearing the title is strong as an Eagle. This is also my birth cognomen, so it follows it should be my NR cognomen. This is inherited from a long familial paternal military Roman bloodline with a long written and verbal history. The name Aquila indicates that one possesses a certain amount of "lordliness" or has eagle eyes, or a very sharp mind or intellect. At one time, as family lore goes (veracity/accuracy is debatable in early history until about the 11th c. right now anyway according to ongoing research), this was/is a Patrician Gens, or a modern "spelling" of it, however there are other Gens intermarried, including Iulii (and some not used in NR). Oh and before I am corrected, this also became a Plebian Gens later on. It certainly has a "naming" aspect for those inhabiting ancestral (and not so ancestral) lands whose name is a derivative of Aquila. So the cognomen, Aquila, for me at least, encompasses a vast history and is not a choice but a birthright.         Aguilar, on the other hand is a name given to those who inhabit towns or regions of Spanish, Sephardic Jewish and Catalan origin whose name is a derivative of  the Latin aquilare which means haunt of eagles. In turn aquilare is a derivative of Aquila. Adler means noble eagle, since it is comes from the German adelar. For the Ashkenazi (German Jewish people) it does mean Eagle also. Of course we see the influence there as well.       Booker comes from bocere, old English, from boc aka book. That is if you are of English ancestry. German (or Swiss) ancestry, on the other hand, the variant Bucher, means beech tree and can also be associated with the names of ancestral inhabited lands that were noted for their beech woods. Since you mentioned your Tuetonic names, this would probably be closer to the meaning you are looking for and a name of very good repute and high status.   ATS: L. Julia Aquila is an auditor in my elementary, traditional- method Latin course.          *laughs* Translation: L. Julia Aquila knows very little Latin (knows nothing), but can say hello and goodbye a few different ways and occasionally gets declension, gender and number correct.    ATS:  Aquila is her cognomen, and does mean eagle.  It's a fairly common cognomen here (too common)!         BUT… not actually because out of the 20 citizens with this cognomen 13 are noted as Capite Censi (12 have not paid their taxes, and 1 is new) 3 are minors. This leaves four noted as "Assidui" who taxes are up to date. Of the four 2 are active: myself and the honorable T. Flavius Aquila.  So from this perspective, it is not common.      Major Booker: I will leave you to look up Capite Censi and Assidui and from there you can decide the implications yourself. Just a little homework. With that tis a good thing to do your homework.J Also T. Flavius Aquila is from Germany and may be able to provide some insight to your queries.   Valéte et habéte fortúnam bonam!  Julia Aquila

Q Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem dicit.

Saluete, Quirites.

I have been away for the past two weeks, and so I was unable to
present this to you previously.

In place of the regular sacrifice Iuno would have received on the
Kalends of this month (and every month), I again offered a libation.
Despite the wind, the offering did go quite well, with yet another
bird being kind enough to fly by at the conclusion of the piaculum.
That said, no uitia were otherwise observed. As always, should it be
requested, I would be glad to provide the specific text of the
caerimonia.

Di nos Romanos custodiant.

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Pontifex

Salvete

as the last office of state of any kind still in plance in Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis(I am Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis)

anyone in Provinciae? Other then me?
I live in portland . we need to talk about meeting and all. ( I am posting here as the Provinciae list has all of 4 people on it and no one posting for a long time.)

we should get someone to run it or ask the Consuls to add us to the Provinciae that is to the south of us till we have people to be a full Provinciae, for at this time I am as far as I know the only here wanting to do anything.

Valete

Marcus Cornelius Felix
Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

Salvete, I detect a similar problem because the materfamilias of gens Sempronia is also the governor of Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis. "Someone" re-added me to the family list but she is not replying on it.    Valete, A. Sempronius Regulus --- On Sun, 3/8/09, vallenporter <magewuffa@...> wrote: From: vallenporter <magewuffa@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:36 PM Salvete as the last office of state of any kind still in plance in Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis( I am Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis) anyone in Provinciae? Other then me? I live in portland . we need to talk about meeting and all. ( I am posting here as the Provinciae list has all of 4 people on it and no one posting for a long time.) we should get someone to run it or ask the Consuls to add us to the Provinciae that is to the south of us till we have people to be a full Provinciae, for at this time I am as far as I know the only here wanting to do anything. Valete Marcus Cornelius Felix Sacerdos Templi Mercurius Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

Salvete,
Plus there seems to be a similar problem with the province of Austrorientalis. Nobody there....
Valete,
A. Sempronius Regulus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
> I detect a similar problem because the materfamilias of gens Sempronia is also the governor of Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis. "Someone" re-added me to the family list but she is not replying on it. 
>  
> Valete,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>
> --- On Sun, 3/8/09, vallenporter <magewuffa@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: vallenporter <magewuffa@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:36 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salvete
>
> as the last office of state of any kind still in plance in Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis( I am Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis)
>
> anyone in Provinciae? Other then me?
> I live in portland . we need to talk about meeting and all. ( I am posting here as the Provinciae list has all of 4 people on it and no one posting for a long time.)
>
> we should get someone to run it or ask the Consuls to add us to the Provinciae that is to the south of us till we have people to be a full Provinciae, for at this time I am as far as I know the only here wanting to do anything.
>
> Valete
>
> Marcus Cornelius Felix
> Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
>

Poplicola Regulo sal.

What do you mean? Our province may not be the most active, but there is
activity, meetups, and many active citizens, including Triarius, Laenas,
Aurelianus, Maior, and myself, just to name a few...

--------------------------------------------------
From: "asempronius.regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 7:04 PM
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis

> Salvete,
> Plus there seems to be a similar problem with the province of
> Austrorientalis. Nobody there....
> Valete,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus"
> <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:
>>
>> Salvete,
>> I detect a similar problem because the materfamilias of gens Sempronia is
>> also the governor of Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis. "Someone"
>> re-added me to the family list but she is not replying on it.
>>
>> Valete,
>> A. Sempronius Regulus
>>
>> --- On Sun, 3/8/09, vallenporter <magewuffa@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: vallenporter <magewuffa@...>
>> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis
>> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:36 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Salvete
>>
>> as the last office of state of any kind still in plance in Provinciae
>> America Boreoccidentalis( I am Sacerdotus Provincia America
>> Boreoccidentalis)
>>
>> anyone in Provinciae? Other then me?
>> I live in portland . we need to talk about meeting and all. ( I am
>> posting here as the Provinciae list has all of 4 people on it and no one
>> posting for a long time.)
>>
>> we should get someone to run it or ask the Consuls to add us to the
>> Provinciae that is to the south of us till we have people to be a full
>> Provinciae, for at this time I am as far as I know the only here wanting
>> to do anything.
>>
>> Valete
>>
>> Marcus Cornelius Felix
>> Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
>> Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
>>
>
>
>

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:37 PM, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote:

Salvéte, amícae et amící!

 

      Aguilar, on the other hand is a name given to those who inhabit towns or regions of Spanish, Sephardic Jewish and Catalan origin whose name is a derivative of  the Latin aquilare which means haunt of eagles. In turn aquilare is a derivative of Aquila.

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Salve Esteemed Good Consul Severi!

Thank you so much for the correction.
I was speaking historically and should have made that clear.

I always enjoy our conversations, very informative!

Vale optime care amici!

Julia Aquila

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL• SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Lucia Iulia, cara amica, what you wrote about the family name Aguilar (see
> below) is right, but it's also wrong...
> Aguilar was originally a name given to some people in Spain, either of
> Jewish descent, or of Catalan origin...
> But after some centuries, it became a fairly common name in all
> Spamish-speaking countries.
> My youngest daughter, Margot, has Aguilar as her second family name... As
> some of you surely know, we in Latin America, but also many people in Spain,
> use a double family name: first, their father's. Second, their mother's.
> Ang Margot's mom has no trace of Jewish or Catalan lineage in her family...
> Well, not at least in the last three-hundred years or so.
>
> Vale, et valete,
> M•IVL•SEVERVS
> CONSVL•NOVƕROMÆ
>
> SENATOR
> CONSVL•PROVINCIƕMEXICO
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:37 PM, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...>wrote:
>
> > Salvéte, amícae et amící!
> >
> >
> >
> > Aguilar, on the other hand is a name given to those who inhabit
> > towns or regions of Spanish, Sephardic Jewish and Catalan origin whose name
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete,
> I detect a similar problem because the materfamilias of gens Sempronia is also the governor of Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis. "Someone" re-added me to the family list but she is not replying on it. 

Salve
No she is no longer the governor of Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis , she quit.
Vale
Marcus Cornelius Felix

>  
> Valete,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>
> --- On Sun, 3/8/09, vallenporter <magewuffa@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: vallenporter <magewuffa@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:36 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salvete
>
> as the last office of state of any kind still in plance in Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis( I am Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis)
>
> anyone in Provinciae? Other then me?
> I live in portland . we need to talk about meeting and all. ( I am posting here as the Provinciae list has all of 4 people on it and no one posting for a long time.)
>
> we should get someone to run it or ask the Consuls to add us to the Provinciae that is to the south of us till we have people to be a full Provinciae, for at this time I am as far as I know the only here wanting to do anything.
>
> Valete
>
> Marcus Cornelius Felix
> Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
>

If I wasn't so busy lately I'd take part in this!


T. Ovidius Aquila

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar" <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar aedilis curulis, omnibus Quiritibus sal.
>
> As of the end of Day 5 the top three scores in the Ludi Novi Romani are:
>
> Cn. Equitius Marinus: 13
>
> L. Julia Aquila: 6
>
> C. Petronius Dexter: 4
>
> With 12 questions left to score with a minimum of 1 point for each correct
> basic answer and a bonus point possible for an expanded correct answer, and
> the very real possibility of incorrect answers, there is still everything
> left to play for.
>
> Good luck to all the contestants!
>
> Optime valete!
>

C. Petronius M. Severo s.p.d.,

> Well, not at least in the last three-hundred years or so.

No problem, it is the overwhelming majority of us which cannot know the names of his ancestors before the XVIth century.

I laugh when I read my ancestors Herbert were from the Germany forests...

Except the nobles nobody knows the names of his ancestors during the meddle age, and a fortiori during the Antiquity. And if you read the genealogy of the nobles, they did not have family names, before the XIIth century. In France, a very old kingdom, only one or two families, apart the king family, can show the names of his ancestors during the early middle age, circa the reign of Karolus Magnus, IXth century. And at this time, they did not have family names, only a christian name and titles of nobility, generally a estate or land property name.

For example (the famous for British) William the conqueror, of French nobility, was the bastard son of Robert. They did not have family name, we name us dukes of Normandy.

Robert and William were German names, but they dukes of Normandy were not from Germany. Ancestors of them was Vikings/Normanni. And these old ancestors did not have as names Robert or William, but Scandish names...

It is not possible to back from his recent family name untill the Antiquity and the black forests of Germany...

Valete.
C. Petronius Dexter

Salve!
hhbooker2@...
on Sun Mar 8, 2009 11:41 am (PDT)
wrote (omissis)
"It was sad when the Church of Rome stopped teaching their priesthood Latin,
they should restore Latin! Entering a Roman Catholic Cathedral is a step
back into history when you see the way it is built, the Roman priestly
vestantments, etc.! Purple is still the colour of royalty as it was for the
Roman Senate - Senatus Populus Que Romanus!"

Senatus PopulusQue Romanus? Senatus PopolusQue Romanorum? Senatus Populus
Quiritius Romanus?
There are many churchs and templa in Rome, because so many religions you can
practice in the Urbs now.
The Roman Catholic Church has a little state and its capital is in Roma-San
Pietro, called Città del Vaticano (Vatican City), but it had been a big
nation until 20/09/1870 (breccia di Porta Pia), when the Savoia's army
marched over Roma. Christians speek their native languages, because they
want to teach to everybody their holy book (an ancient Jewish book and the
books of Jesus story); the Roman Catholic Church decided (Johannes XXIII
pontifex) to use the vulgaris (vernacular) languages in the '60s, but it has
never been forbidden to make rites using latin and catholic priests (like a
lot of modern students and many novaromans) study and speak latin: in '70s
there was a schism because some ex-jewish and traditionalist priests didn't
accept Paulus VI and those new varnacular rites, but Benedictus XVI forgave
them (but an ex-jewish priest who said that Shoà never happened) and used
latin during some rites.
So, don't be sad: Urbis et Orbis Lingua is still alive.
Vale!
ACC

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@...> wrote:

>
> Salve!
> hhbooker2@...
> on Sun Mar 8, 2009 11:41 am (PDT)
> wrote (omissis)
> "It was sad when the Church of Rome stopped teaching their priesthood Latin,
> they should restore Latin! religions you can
>
> So, don't be sad: Urbis et Orbis Lingua is still alive.
> Vale!
> ACC
>

Salve

Ecclesiastical Latin is not just like Classical Latin
It can be distinguished from Classical Latin by some lexical variations, a simplified syntax in some cases.

and Ecclesiastical liturgical Latin is even more so distinguished from Classical liturgical Latin.

Vale
Marcus Cornelius Felix

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salute plurimam dicit: Di Deaeque vos ament

Hodie est ante diem VII Eidus Martias; haec dies comitialis est: Arma ancilia movent.

This is the second date given for when the Salii performed their leaping dance. The first date is on the kalends of March, and a
third date is the Tubulustrium on 23 March. The nature of the dance suggests that its purpose was to drive out disease and to aid in the
growth of new shoots in spring. The origin of the Salii is said to have been by Rex Numa Pompilius as guardians of the sacred ancilia. Here are three accounts of that origin by an historian, a poet, and a philosopher/sacerdos.

Numa and the Salii

"The sixth part of (Numa's) religious legislation was devoted to those whom the Romans call Salii. Numa himself appointed them from among the patricians, choosing the twelve most handsome young men. Their sacred objects are kept on the Palatine hill, and they themselves are known as the Palatini. For the Agonales, who are called by some the Salii Collini, and whose sacred repository is on the crest of the Quirinal, were appointed after Numa's reign by the king Hostilius, in fulfillment of a vow that he made in the war against the Sabines." ~ Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Roman Antiquities II.70.1-5


"(Numa) appears and sits among them on a maple throne; countless men stand about him in silence. The outer rim of Phoebus had scarcely risen; anxious hearts tremble with hope and fear. He stood up, his head veiled with a snow-white mantle, and lifted to the gods familiar hands. (Numa) declared, 'The time has come for the promised gift, add credence, Jupiter, to your vow.' Even as Numa spoke, the sun raised its full circle, and a heavy crash came from heaven's vault. The God thundered three times in a cloudless sky and hurled three bolts, trust me, I speak of marvels but also facts. The middle part of the heavens began to gape; the crowd and its leader lifted their eyes heavenward. Look, a shield is turning gently in the light breeze and tumbles down. The people's roar hits the stars. The king picks up the gift after killing a heifer whose neck was unmolested by the yoke. He calls the shield ancile since all its sides are cut and no angles presents itself to sight. Then, since he knows empire's fate depends on this, he hits upon a plan of great cunning. He orders more shields embossed in the same shape to baffle the eyes of treacherous thieves. Mamurius, whether his character eclipsed his craft is hard to say, finished the work. Generous Numa said, 'Request payment for your work. If my word is good, your request won't fail.' He had just named the Salii from saltus, 'dance,' giving them the arms with words for a hymn. So Mamurius replied, 'Pay me with glory. Have my name resound as the hymn closes.' Hence the priests pay the promised reward for a work of ancient times and shout out 'Mamurius!'" ~ Ovid Fasti 359-392


"The priesthood of the Salii is said to have been established for the following reason. In the eighth year of his reign a pestilence, which traversed Italy, distracted Rome also. The story goes that while the people were disheartened by this, a bronze buckler fell from heaven, which came into the hands of Numa, and a wonderful account of it was given by the king, which he learned from Egeria and the Muses. The buckler came, he said, for the salvation of the city, and must be carefully preserved by making eleven others of like fashion, size, and shape, in order that the resemblance between them might make it difficult for a thief to distinguish the one that fell from heaven. He said further that the spot where it fell, and the adjacent meadows, where the Muses usually had converse with him, must be consecrated to them; and that the spring which watered the spot should be declared holy water for the use of the Vestal virgins, who should daily sprinkle and purify their temple with it. Moreover, they say that the truth of all this was attested by the immediate cessation of the pestilence. When Numa showed the buckler to the artificers and bade them do their best to make others like it, they all declined, except Veturius Mamurius, a most excellent workman, who was so happy in his imitation of it, and made all the eleven so exactly like it, that not even Numa himself could distinguish them. For the watch and care of these bucklers, then, he appointed the priesthood of the Salii. Now the Salii were so named, not, as some tell the tale, from a man of Samothrace or Mantinea, named Salius, who first taught the dance in armour; but rather from the leaping which characterized the dance itself. This dance they perform when they carry the sacred buckler through the streets of the city in the month of March, clad in purple tunics, girt with broad belts of bronze, wearing bronze helmets on their heads, and carrying small daggers with which they strike the shields. But the dance is chiefly a matter of step; for they move gracefully, and execute with vigour and agility certain shifting convolutions, in quick and oft-recurring rhythm." ~ Plutarch, Life of Numa 13


Our thought for today is from Epicurus, Vatican Saying 81:

"The soul neither rids itself of disturbance nor gains a worthwhile joy through the possession of greatest wealth, nor by the honor and
admiration bestowed by the crowd, or through any of the other things sought by unlimited desire."

Salve Marcus Cornelius Felix:         LATIN should have been lingua fraca instead of English or any other modern language worldwide as it is not so confusing like English, at least from where I sit? I learned Spanish and it is spelled like it is pronounced, but my mother's last husband, Fausto Hernandez-Vargas said LECHUGA is pronounced le-chu-ga, but in English LETTUCE is not pronounced as let-tu-se! Pity the poor student learning English as a second language!         I noticed that Ecclesiastical Latin in High Mass was sung out and very musical, so it seemed as I nearly passed out from the heavy smoke from the incense burner - always suspected the use of insense was used to mask the smell of unwashed people in the congregation, but I could be wrong? Seeing the old mass gave me goosebumps as I was viewing ancient Rome and heard it was a ritual in itself with the altar boys assisting the priests with their many vestaments. In the t.v. series "ROME" I noticed they dressed the Roman senators not unlike the priests I saw in the 1940s. Interesting there are two types of the Latin language - that being the case, what is New Latin and is it official?   Thank you very much!   Herbert from Tujunga --- On Mon, 3/9/09, vallenporter <magewuffa@...> wrote: From: vallenporter <magewuffa@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: SPQR To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:40 AM --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@ ...> wrote: > > Salve! > hhbooker2@.. . > on Sun Mar 8, 2009 11:41 am (PDT) > wrote (omissis) > "It was sad when the Church of Rome stopped teaching their priesthood Latin, > they should restore Latin! religions you can > > So, don't be sad: Urbis et Orbis Lingua is still alive. > Vale! > ACC > Salve Ecclesiastical Latin is not just like Classical Latin It can be distinguished from Classical Latin by some lexical variations, a simplified syntax in some cases. and Ecclesiastical liturgical Latin is even more so distinguished from Classical liturgical Latin. Vale Marcus Cornelius Felix

Roman Catholic liturgical vestments are not the same as liturgical wear of ancient Rome.  Romantic sensibilities might indicate this, but reality shows otherwise.  The chasuble and other liturgical vestments don't have much in common with a toga praetexta.  As long as the mass is seen as a sacrifice there are some similarities between it and sacrifices from antiquity (and in modern times as well); however, the two should not be confused as being equal.  The Rome of the Roman Catholic Church is different from the Rome of antiquity and it is also different from Nova Roma.  While the Roman Catholic Church did appropriate some nuances from Roman religion, it is not an amicable synthesis.

Regarding the differences between Classical and Ecclesiastical Latin check out the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:08 PM, <hhbooker2@...> wrote:

Salve Marcus Cornelius Felix:         LATIN should have been lingua fraca instead of English or any other modern language worldwide as it is not so confusing like English, at least from where I sit? I learned Spanish and it is spelled like it is pronounced, but my mother's last husband, Fausto Hernandez-Vargas said LECHUGA is pronounced le-chu-ga, but in English LETTUCE is not pronounced as let-tu-se! Pity the poor student learning English as a second language!         I noticed that Ecclesiastical Latin in High Mass was sung out and very musical, so it seemed as I nearly passed out from the heavy smoke from the incense burner - always suspected the use of insense was used to mask the smell of unwashed people in the congregation, but I could be wrong? Seeing the old mass gave me goosebumps as I was viewing ancient Rome and heard it was a ritual in itself with the altar boys assisting the priests with their many vestaments. In the t.v. series "ROME" I noticed they dressed the Roman senators not unlike the priests I saw in the 1940s. Interesting there are two types of the Latin language - that being the case, what is New Latin and is it official?   Thank you very much!   Herbert from Tujunga

I'm in the Seattle area and have been known to make it as far as Portland <g> I was unaware that there was a mailing list for the proviciae.

V Ritulia Enodiaria

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "vallenporter" <magewuffa@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete
>
> as the last office of state of any kind still in plance in Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis(I am Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis)
>
> anyone in Provinciae? Other then me?
> I live in portland . we need to talk about meeting and all. ( I am posting here as the Provinciae list has all of 4 people on it and no one posting for a long time.)
>
> we should get someone to run it or ask the Consuls to add us to the Provinciae that is to the south of us till we have people to be a full Provinciae, for at this time I am as far as I know the only here wanting to do anything.
>
> Valete
>
> Marcus Cornelius Felix
> Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
>

Salve, Live in Seattle and make it as far as Portland? Hmmm, never get out of the rain much do you? ;-P Vale, ASR --- On Mon, 3/9/09, enodia2002 <walkyr@...> wrote: From: enodia2002 <walkyr@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 6:52 PM I'm in the Seattle area and have been known to make it as far as Portland <g> I was unaware that there was a mailing list for the proviciae.. V Ritulia Enodiaria --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "vallenporter" <magewuffa@. ..> wrote: > > Salvete > > as the last office of state of any kind still in plance in Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis( I am Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis) > > anyone in Provinciae? Other then me? > I live in portland . we need to talk about meeting and all. ( I am posting here as the Provinciae list has all of 4 people on it and no one posting for a long time.) > > we should get someone to run it or ask the Consuls to add us to the Provinciae that is to the south of us till we have people to be a full Provinciae, for at this time I am as far as I know the only here wanting to do anything. > > Valete > > Marcus Cornelius Felix > Sacerdos Templi Mercurius > Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis >

Salvete cives Novae Romae!

The Senate shall be called into session during the first hour (05.40 hrs.CET) on 13 Mar. 2762, with discussions to continue until approximately sunset in Rome (17.00 hrs CET) on 17 Mar. 2762.

Voting on the Agenda will then begin in the second hour at 06.45 hrs CET on 18 Mar. 2762 and conclude at 17.00 hrs CET on 21 Mar. 2762.

Senatores and Senatrices should not vote during night time hours of their respective locations.

AGENDA: To be announced

Avete et Valete
Tiberius Horatius Barbatus
Tribune of the Plebs

There is a strange yellow thing in the sky today (after it snowed this morning.) People are coming out of their houses to marvel at it.

VRE

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
> Live in Seattle and make it as far as Portland? Hmmm, never get out of the rain much do you? ;-P
> Vale,
> ASR
>
> --- On Mon, 3/9/09, enodia2002 <walkyr@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: enodia2002 <walkyr@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 6:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm in the Seattle area and have been known to make it as far as Portland <g> I was unaware that there was a mailing list for the proviciae.
>
> V Ritulia Enodiaria
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "vallenporter" <magewuffa@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete
> >
> > as the last office of state of any kind still in plance in Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis( I am Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis)
> >
> > anyone in Provinciae? Other then me?
> > I live in portland . we need to talk about meeting and all. ( I am posting here as the Provinciae list has all of 4 people on it and no one posting for a long time.)
> >
> > we should get someone to run it or ask the Consuls to add us to the Provinciae that is to the south of us till we have people to be a full Provinciae, for at this time I am as far as I know the only here wanting to do anything.
> >
> > Valete
> >
> > Marcus Cornelius Felix
> > Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> > Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
> >
>

Where you're at, its probably the sun. Now if you were down in LA, it would have probably been the smog. --- On Mon, 3/9/09, enodia2002 <walkyr@...> wrote: From: enodia2002 <walkyr@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 7:19 PM There is a strange yellow thing in the sky today (after it snowed this morning.) People are coming out of their houses to marvel at it. VRE --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius. regulus@. ..> wrote: > > Salve, > Live in Seattle and make it as far as Portland? Hmmm, never get out of the rain much do you? ;-P > Vale, > ASR > > --- On Mon, 3/9/09, enodia2002 <walkyr@...> wrote: > > > From: enodia2002 <walkyr@...> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 6:52 PM > > > > > > > I'm in the Seattle area and have been known to make it as far as Portland <g> I was unaware that there was a mailing list for the proviciae. > > V Ritulia Enodiaria > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "vallenporter" <magewuffa@ ..> wrote: > > > > Salvete > > > > as the last office of state of any kind still in plance in Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis( I am Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis) > > > > anyone in Provinciae? Other then me? > > I live in portland . we need to talk about meeting and all. ( I am posting here as the Provinciae list has all of 4 people on it and no one posting for a long time.) > > > > we should get someone to run it or ask the Consuls to add us to the Provinciae that is to the south of us till we have people to be a full Provinciae, for at this time I am as far as I know the only here wanting to do anything. > > > > Valete > > > > Marcus Cornelius Felix > > Sacerdos Templi Mercurius > > Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis > > >

Entirely possible. Perhaps we should ask for an augury.

VRE

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Rich <wielgosz@...> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 19:19 +0000, enodia2002 wrote:
>
> A flying school bus??
>
>
> > There is a strange yellow thing in the sky today (after it snowed this
> > morning.) People are coming out of their houses to marvel at it.
> >
> > VRE
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus"
> > <asempronius.regulus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve,
> > > Live in Seattle and make it as far as Portland? Hmmm, never get out
> > of the rain much do you? ;-P
> > > Vale,
> > > ASR
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 3/9/09, enodia2002 <walkyr@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: enodia2002 <walkyr@>
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 6:52 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm in the Seattle area and have been known to make it as far as
> > Portland <g> I was unaware that there was a mailing list for the
> > proviciae.
> > >
> > > V Ritulia Enodiaria
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "vallenporter" <magewuffa@ ..>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salvete
> > > >
> > > > as the last office of state of any kind still in plance in
> > Provinciae America Boreoccidentalis( I am Sacerdotus Provincia America
> > Boreoccidentalis)
> > > >
> > > > anyone in Provinciae? Other then me?
> > > > I live in portland . we need to talk about meeting and all. ( I am
> > posting here as the Provinciae list has all of 4 people on it and no
> > one posting for a long time.)
> > > >
> > > > we should get someone to run it or ask the Consuls to add us to
> > the Provinciae that is to the south of us till we have people to be a
> > full Provinciae, for at this time I am as far as I know the only here
> > wanting to do anything.
> > > >
> > > > Valete
> > > >
> > > > Marcus Cornelius Felix
> > > > Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> > > > Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>