Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Apl 1-7, 2009

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62591 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-04-01
Subject: KALENDIS APRILIS: Veneralia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62592 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-04-01
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62593 From: Rich Date: 2009-04-01
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62594 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-04-01
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62595 From: Maior Date: 2009-04-01
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62596 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-04-01
Subject: Kalendis Aprilibus Iunoni Libatio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62597 From: Anthony Letsom Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: citizenship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62598 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: citizenship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62599 From: MCC Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62600 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: a. d. IV Nonas Aprilis: Battle of Chaeronea
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62601 From: irinasergia Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: about the word "hortus"...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62602 From: aerdensrw Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: about the word "hortus"...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62603 From: Robb Jackson Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62604 From: Colin Brodd Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: about the word "hortus"...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62605 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PRO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62606 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62607 From: Chantal Gaudiano Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62608 From: Rich Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62609 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62610 From: southern_pride1872 Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: market day chat
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62611 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62612 From: vallenporter Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62613 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: a. d. III Nonas Aprilis: Rex Numa, Founder of the Religio Romana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62614 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62615 From: Chantal Gaudiano Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Re: Meaning of Hortus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62616 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62617 From: vallenporter Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62618 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62619 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62621 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62622 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62623 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Formal Resignation of Citizenship/Membership in Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62624 From: M•IVL• SEVERVS Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62625 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Formal Resignation of Citizenship/Membership in Nova
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62626 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Pridie Nonas Aprilis: Ludi Megalesiaci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62628 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62629 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62630 From: Steve Moore Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: Formal Resignation of Citizenship/Membership in Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62632 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62633 From: Ron Acosta Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: A New Citizen's Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62634 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PRO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62635 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: Formal Resignation of Citizenship/Membership in Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62636 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62637 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62638 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62639 From: Maior Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62640 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62641 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Citizenship diploma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62642 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62644 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62645 From: Maior Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62646 From: Chantal Gaudiano Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: America Austroccidentalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62647 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: *Stone, J.R. 1996. Latin for the Illiterati, p.197.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62648 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62649 From: vallenporter Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62650 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62651 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62652 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: On promotional campaigns by collegia - praet. resp.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62654 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62655 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62656 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PRO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62657 From: M•IVL• SEVERVS Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62658 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] *Stone, J.R. 1996. Latin for the Illiterati, p.197.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62659 From: enodia2002 Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62660 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: *Stone, J.R. 1996. Latin for the Illiterati, p.197.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62661 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62662 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62663 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62665 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62666 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: What Are We Doing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62667 From: vallenporter Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62668 From: Maior Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62669 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62670 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Formal Resignation of Citizenship/Membership in N
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62671 From: Maior Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62672 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62673 From: Jim Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62674 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: MEGALESIA: Opening Ceremony
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62675 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PRO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62676 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: NONAE APRILIAE: Fortuna Publica; Claudia Quinta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62677 From: irinasergia Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: What Are We Doing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62678 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: MEGALESIA: Opening Ceremony
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62679 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62680 From: irinasergia Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: MEGALESIA: Opening Ceremony
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62681 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62682 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: MEGALESIA: Opening Ceremony
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62683 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Palm Sunday
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62684 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Ludi Megalenses: Certamen Historicum - Day 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62685 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalenses: Certamen Historicum - Day 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62686 From: M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62687 From: c.aqvillivs_rota Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: America Austroccidentalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62688 From: c.aqvillivs_rota Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: NR Priest/s and Soldiers wanted
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62689 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62690 From: c.aqvillivs_rota Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Press Release/To all citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62691 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalenses: Certamen Historicum - Day 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62692 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Press Release/To all citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62693 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: NR Priest/s and Soldiers wanted
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62694 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62695 From: Ron Acosta Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Press Release/To all citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62696 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: INVITATION TO ROME!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62697 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: TAX REMINDER
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62698 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: INVITATION TO ROME!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62699 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62700 From: Aqvillivs Rota Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Press Release/To all citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62701 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62702 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Yahoo archives
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62703 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Working cista?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62704 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: America Austroccidentalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62705 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Working cista?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62706 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Working cista?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62707 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62708 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Working cista?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62709 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62710 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Vespasian or Titus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62711 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Caligula - Little Boots
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62712 From: Priscilla Queen of the Desert Date: 2009-04-05
Subject: Re: Working cista?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62713 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Working cista?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62714 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Working cista?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62715 From: Priscilla Queen of the Desert Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Working cista?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62716 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62717 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Working cista?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62718 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Press Release/To all citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62719 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: a. d. VII Eidus Aprilis: The Battle of Thapsus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62720 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62721 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62722 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Working cista?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62723 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62724 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62725 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62726 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62727 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62728 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62729 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62730 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62731 From: M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: OBSTRUCTIONISM AND FILIBUSTERS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62732 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Working cista?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62733 From: Numero 2 Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62734 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62735 From: Christer Edling Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62736 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Call for candidates
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62737 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62738 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62739 From: Matt Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62740 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62741 From: James Hooper Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Caligula - Little Boots
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62742 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Yahoo Problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62743 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Yahoo Problems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62744 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2009-04-06
Subject: Re: Working cista?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62745 From: southern_pride1872 Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: caligula
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62746 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Re: caligula
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62747 From: MCC Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: CALL FOR CANDIDATES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62748 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Donations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62749 From: M Iul Perusianus Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62750 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM Elections April 2762
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62751 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62752 From: MCC Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: TERREMOTO IN ITALIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62753 From: MCC Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Re: CALL FOR CANDIDATES (ERRATA CORRIGE)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62754 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62755 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Re: What Are We Doing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62756 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Re: caligula
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62757 From: irinasergia Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Re: TERREMOTO IN ITALIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62758 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Candidacy for Aedilis Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62759 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Re: What Are We Doing?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62760 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Candidacy for Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62761 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: My Candidacy for Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62762 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Re: Caligula - Little Boots
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62763 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Re: caligula
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62764 From: C. Stricklin Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62765 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Ludi Megalenses: Certamen Historicum - Day 2 & 3 (Part 1)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62766 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Candidacy for Diribitor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62767 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Candidacy as Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62768 From: Ron Acosta Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Candidate for Diribitor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62769 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Ludi Megalenses: Certamen Historicum - Day 2 & 3 (Part 2)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62770 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Re: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62771 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Earth Quake
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62772 From: Titus Annaeus Regulus Date: 2009-04-07
Subject: Re: CALL FOR CANDIDATES



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62591 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-04-01
Subject: KALENDIS APRILIS: Veneralia
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos salvas et servatas volunt.

Hodie est Kalendae Aprilae; haec dies fastus est: DIE QUINTI TE KALO, IUNO COVELLA : Veneralia; Veneri Verticordiae; Fortunae Virili


VENERALIA

"Perform the rites of the Goddess, Roman brides and mothers, and you who must not wear the headbands and long robes. Remove the golden necklaces from Her marble neck, remove Her riches: the Goddess must be cleansed, complete. Return the gold necklaces to her neck, once it's dry: Now She's given fresh flowers, and new-sprung roses. She commands you too to bathe, under the green myrtle, and there's a particular reason for Her command (learn, now!). Naked, on the shore, She was drying Her dripping hair: The Satyrs, that wanton crowd, spied the Goddess. She sensed it, and hid Her body with a screen of myrtle: Doing so, She was safe: She commands that you do so too. Learn now why you offer incense to Fortuna Virilis, in that place that steams with heated water. All women remove their clothes on entering, and every blemish on their bodies is seen: Virile Fortune undertakes to hide those from the men, and She does this at the behest of a little incense. Don't begrudge Her poppies, crushed in creamy milk, and in flowing honey, squeezed from the comb: When Venus was first led to Her eager spouse, She drank so: and from that moment was a bride. Please Her with words of supplication: beauty, virtue, and good repute are in Her keeping. In our forefather's time Rome lapsed from chastity: and the ancients consulted the Sibyl of Cumae. She ordered a temple built to Venus: when it was done Venus took the name of Verticordia. Most Lovely Venus, always gaze benignly on the sons of Aeneas, and safeguard their many wives." ~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 4.133-164

Ovid here has combined, or purposely confused, three or more different celebrations held on the kalends of April. The oldest is apparently that performed by women to Fortuna Virilis. Several temples and shrines were dedicated to Fortuna in Her many diverse forms. Severally of these were attributed to Servius Tullius in the sixth century. (See Plutarch below.) On the one hand, ladies of upper society attended rites for Fortuna Virilis at Her temple. They invoked Fortuna Virilis to temper their husbands anger toward themselves. Plebeian women, on the other hand, took a different approach towards the same end. They attended the male baths, after the men had left, wearing only wreathes of myrtle. Bathing then in the bath waters last used by men, they hoped to make themselves more appealing to their husbands. In a later period the sweat of gladiators was collected with the same thought in mind, the oils and grime of such virile men then made into perfumes. Perhaps in an instance of sympathetic magic, or just from the excitation of swimming in strange waters, evoking interest, or perhaps the jealousy of their husbands, this ritual bath was suppose to spark excitement back into marital relations.

The earliest known Temple of Venus was that dedicated in 295 BCE in the Circus Maximus for Venus Obsequens. This dedication is celebrated on 19 August. Temples for Venus Libitina and for Venus Cloaca were likewise dedicated in the third century, and probably celebrated on the same day. Venus Erucina first arrived in 215 BCE on the Capitoline, and a gain on 23 April 181 BCE at a second temple near the Porta Collina. It was not until 114 BCE that a temple was dedicated on the kalends of April for Venus Verticordia. It is debatbale whether the Veneralia refers to the dedication of this temple, or whether the Temple of Verticordia was dedicated on this day because it was a festival of Venus. I would think that the later is the case. A century earlier, the Decemviri sacris faciundis had been consulted following the revelation that two Vestals had been unchaste. The Senate, advised by the Decemviri, erected a statue of Venus Verticordia. In compliance with the Sibylline Oracle, one hundred matrons were chosen by lot to select who, in their opinion, was the most chaste woman of Rome. Sulpicia, daughter of Servius Paterculus and wife of Q. Fulvius Flaccus, was the one chosen to be most chaste, and therefore the one to dedicate the statue [Val. Max. 8.15.12; Plin. H. N. 7.35 (120 )]. Venus Verticordia was invoked to "more easily turn the minds of virgins and matrons from lust to chastity." By this time the nobiles (those whose families had produced a consul) were both patricians and plebeians. Where plebeian women and those patrician women who had married plebeians, were excluded by patrician matrons in some rites, those dedicated to Venus Verticordia would seem to have been for women of both Orders, but mainly for upper class women. This cultus was related to the Vestales Virgines, who originally came from only patrician families, but who would have been selected from senatorial families by 114 BCE, whether they were patrician or plebeian.

This still leaves open what the women of the lower classes would have celebrated. In the Early and Middle Republic the plebeians were often the leading part of society to introduce new culti Deorum. But the patricians likewwise introduced some new culti, such as the one for the Magna Mater before it was adopted by other elements of Roman society. In the Late Republic and imperial era it is the upper classes who more willingly embraced new culti Deorum while the plebeians more readily preserved what were their traditional rites. Servius Tullius modelled his rule after eastern tyrrants, calling himself magister populi rather than rex and appealling to the urban society against the patrician gentry. This lived on in the cultus for Fortuna Virilis by the `humiliores' in the Principate, as recorded in the fasti Praenestini in an annotation by M. Verrius Flaccus (55 BCE – 20 CE) under the Venalia.


Fortuna Brevis

"Why did King Servius Tullius build a shrine of Little Fortune, which they call Brevis? Is it because although, at the first, he was a man of little importance and of humble activities and the son of a captive woman, yet, owing to Fortune, he became king of Rome? Or does this very change reveal the greatness rather than the littleness of Fortune, and does Servius beyond all other men seem to have deified the power of Fortune, and to have set her formally over all manner of actions? For he not only built shrines of Fortune the Giver of Good Hope, the Averter of Evil, the Gentle, the First-Born, and the Male; but there is also a shrine of Private Fortune, another of Attentive Fortune, and still another of Fortune the Virgin. Yet why need anyone review her other appellations, when there is a shrine of the Fowler's Fortune, or Viscata, as they call her, signifying that we are caught by Fortune from afar and held fast by circumstances? Consider, however, whether it was not that Servius observed the mighty potency of Fortune's ever slight mutation, and that by the occurrence or non-occurrence of some slight thing, it has often fallen to the lot of some to succeed or to fail in the greatest enterprises, and it was for this reason that he built the shrine of Little Fortune, teaching men to give great heed to events, and not to despise anything that they encountered by reason of its triviality." ~ Plutarch, Roman Questions 74


Life of Numa Pompilius

Numa resided at a famous city of the Sabines called Cures, whence the Romans and Sabines gave themselves the joint name of Quirites. Pomponius, an illustrious person, was his father, and he the youngest of his four sons, being (as it had been divinely ordered) born on the twenty-first day of April, the day of the foundation of Rome. He was endued with a soul rarely tempered by nature, and disposed to virtue, which he had yet more subdued by discipline, a severe life, and the study of philosophy; means which had not only succeeded in expelling the baser passions, but also the violent and rapacious temper which barbarians are apt to think highly of; true bravery, in his judgment, was regarded as consisting in the subjugation of our passions by reason." ~ Plutarch, Life of Numa 3.4


AUC 1039 / 286 CE: Ascension of Maximianus


Today's thought comes to us from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 65:

"It is pointless for a man to pray to the Gods for that which he has the power to obtain by himself."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62592 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-04-01
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.

    It's STILL Market day!

    There were about 10 of us---maybe 12---who chatted last night. It was a lot of fun, and we all met new people. We talked about religion, food, politics (it was civil, believe it or not!), and other miscellaneous things. Come, join us! See the instructions below, or use your favorite IRC client to join the #novaroma channel on irc.freenode.net

Optime valete!
 
--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com



From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:05:45 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Market day chat, all day long!


Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.

It's Market Day! Remember how Nova Roma used to have real-time chats on Market Day? I still think we should revive this. IRC, while not great, is pretty simple. If you don't have an IRC client:

1) Visit http://www.mibbit. com/chat
2) Pull down server list and choose "Freenode"
3) Put some of your Roman Name in the Nick box
4) Put "#novaroma" (without the quotation marks) in the channel box
5) Click "Go"

So, on the Freenode IRC network there is a channel called #novaroma where we can chat. For 20 more hours. Go. :-)

Optime valete!

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
http://becomingnewt hroughtheold. blogspot. com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62593 From: Rich Date: 2009-04-01
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 09:42 -0700, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus wrote:

I logged in a moment ago to see if there were any stragglers, and I
think I saw you. :-)

Incidentally, there is a great plugin for Firefox called Chatzilla, if
you're looking for a good, quick IRC client.

Rich...


> It's STILL Market day!
>
> There were about 10 of us---maybe 12---who chatted last night. It
> was a lot of fun, and we all met new people. We talked about religion,
> food, politics (it was civil, believe it or not!), and other
> miscellaneous things. Come, join us! See the instructions below, or
> use your favorite IRC client to join the #novaroma channel on
> irc.freenode.net
>
> Optime valete!
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:05:45 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Market day chat, all day long!
>
>
> Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.
>
> It's Market Day! Remember how Nova Roma used to have real-time chats
> on Market Day? I still think we should revive this. IRC, while not
> great, is pretty simple. If you don't have an IRC client:
>
> 1) Visit http://www.mibbit. com/chat
> 2) Pull down server list and choose "Freenode"
> 3) Put some of your Roman Name in the Nick box
> 4) Put "#novaroma" (without the quotation marks) in the channel box
> 5) Click "Go"
>
> So, on the Freenode IRC network there is a channel called #novaroma
> where we can chat. For 20 more hours. Go. :-)
>
> Optime valete!
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewt hroughtheold. blogspot. com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62594 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-04-01
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
I'm in there, right now. Of course, I'm trying to do homework, too. So, there's a bit of a conflict of interest. :-P
 
--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com



From: Rich <wielgosz@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:57:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Market day chat, all day long!

On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 09:42 -0700, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus wrote:

I logged in a moment ago to see if there were any stragglers, and I
think I saw you. :-)

Incidentally, there is a great plugin for Firefox called Chatzilla, if
you're looking for a good, quick IRC client.

Rich...

> It's STILL Market day!
>
> There were about 10 of us---maybe 12---who chatted last night. It
> was a lot of fun, and we all met new people. We talked about religion,
> food, politics (it was civil, believe it or not!), and other
> miscellaneous things. Come, join us! See the instructions below, or
> use your favorite IRC client to join the #novaroma channel on
> irc.freenode. net
>
> Optime valete!
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewt hroughtheold. blogspot. com
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@yahoo. com>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:05:45 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Market day chat, all day long!
>
>
> Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.
>
> It's Market Day! Remember how Nova Roma used to have real-time chats
> on Market Day? I still think we should revive this. IRC, while not
> great, is pretty simple. If you don't have an IRC client:
>
> 1) Visit http://www.mibbit. com/chat
> 2) Pull down server list and choose "Freenode"
> 3) Put some of your Roman Name in the Nick box
> 4) Put "#novaroma" (without the quotation marks) in the channel box
> 5) Click "Go"
>
> So, on the Freenode IRC network there is a channel called #novaroma
> where we can chat. For 20 more hours. Go. :-)
>
> Optime valete!
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewt hroughtheold. blogspot. com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62595 From: Maior Date: 2009-04-01
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
Salve Gn Caeli;
I had a great time last night until I hit the wrong key and my linux started wrtitng in binomial.
tibi gratias ago!
M. Hortensia Maior


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:
>
> I'm in there, right now. Of course, I'm trying to do homework, too. So, there's a bit of a conflict of interest. :-P
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rich <wielgosz@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:57:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Market day chat, all day long!
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 09:42 -0700, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus wrote:
>
> I logged in a moment ago to see if there were any stragglers, and I
> think I saw you. :-)
>
> Incidentally, there is a great plugin for Firefox called Chatzilla, if
> you're looking for a good, quick IRC client.
>
> Rich...
>
> > It's STILL Market day!
> >
> > There were about 10 of us---maybe 12---who chatted last night. It
> > was a lot of fun, and we all met new people. We talked about religion,
> > food, politics (it was civil, believe it or not!), and other
> > miscellaneous things. Come, join us! See the instructions below, or
> > use your favorite IRC client to join the #novaroma channel on
> > irc.freenode. net
> >
> > Optime valete!
> >
> > --
> > Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> > Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> > http://becomingnewt hroughtheold. blogspot. com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@yahoo. com>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:05:45 PM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Market day chat, all day long!
> >
> >
> > Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.
> >
> > It's Market Day! Remember how Nova Roma used to have real-time chats
> > on Market Day? I still think we should revive this. IRC, while not
> > great, is pretty simple. If you don't have an IRC client:
> >
> > 1) Visit http://www.mibbit. com/chat
> > 2) Pull down server list and choose "Freenode"
> > 3) Put some of your Roman Name in the Nick box
> > 4) Put "#novaroma" (without the quotation marks) in the channel box
> > 5) Click "Go"
> >
> > So, on the Freenode IRC network there is a channel called #novaroma
> > where we can chat. For 20 more hours. Go. :-)
> >
> > Optime valete!
> >
> > --
> > Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> > Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> > http://becomingnewt hroughtheold. blogspot. com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62596 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-04-01
Subject: Kalendis Aprilibus Iunoni Libatio
Q Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem.

Saluete, Quirites.

I had the pleasure again today of offering a libation to Iuno, as I intend to
continue for the remainder of the year. It was significantly windy today, as
expected, but quite sunny (only a few sparse clouds to be seen), and quite
temperate for the area. All in all, a rather beautiful day.

The libation itself went well; I noticed no ill omens, though my toga was its
usual troublesome self. As always, should the specific text be desired, or
should anyone have any questions, I will be more than happy to answer and
provide, as appropriate.

Di nos Romanos custodiant!

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62597 From: Anthony Letsom Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: citizenship
many thanks  to the members of this group, i look forward to many enlightened discussions in the future

SouthernPride1872

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62598 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: citizenship
SALVE!
 
You are welcome and success with your Nova Roma citizenship.
 
VALE BENE,
T. Iulius Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius


--- On Thu, 4/2/09, Anthony Letsom <southern_pride1872@...> wrote:

From: Anthony Letsom <southern_pride1872@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] citizenship
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 5:07 AM

many thanks  to the members of this group, i look forward to many enlightened discussions in the future

SouthernPride1872


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62599 From: MCC Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
M. Curiatius Complutensis Consul civibus Novae Romae SPD  

Salvete

This is a call for candidate to the office of provincial governor for the following provinciae

Please send your applications to M.Curiatius.Complutensis at novaroma dot org  

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62600 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: a. d. IV Nonas Aprilis: Battle of Chaeronea
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et omnibus salute plurimam dicit: Dea vos porrigat opitula.

Hodie est ante diem IV Nonas Aprilis; haec dies fastus aterque est:

AUC 667 / 86 BCE: Battle of Chaeronea: L Cornelius defeats Archelaus

"Sulla defeated in battle the army of the king [Mithridates VI], which had occupied Macedonia and entered Thessalia. 100,000 enemies were killed and the camp was captured. Later, the war was renewed and Sulla defeated and destroyed a second army of the king. Archelaus and the royal navy surrendered to Sulla." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 82.1-3

"In the battle against Lucius Sulla, Archelaus placed his scythe-bearing chariots in front, for the purpose of throwing the enemy into confusion; in the second line he posted the Macedonian phalanx, and in the third line auxiliaries armed after the Roman way, with a sprinkling of Italian runaway slaves, in whose doggedness he had the greatest confidence. In the last line he stationed the light-armed troops, while on the two flanks, for the purpose of enveloping the enemy, he placed the cavalry, of whom he had a great number.

"To meet these dispositions, Sulla constructed trenches of great breadth on each flank, and at their ends built strong redoubts. By this device he avoided the danger of being enveloped by the enemy, who outnumbered him in infantry and especially in cavalry. Next he arranged a triple line of infantry, leaving intervals through which to send, according p119to need, the light-armed troops and the cavalry, which he placed in the rear. He then commanded the troops behind the standards who were in the second line, to drive firmly into the ground large numbers stakes set close together, and as the chariots drew near, he withdrew the line of troops in front of the standards within these stakes. Then at length he ordered the skirmishers and light-armed troops to raise a general battle-cry and discharge their spears. By these tactics either the chariots of the enemy were caught among the stakes, or their drivers became panic-stricken at the din and were driven by the javelins back upon their own men, throwing the formation of the Macedonians into confusion. As these gave way, Sulla pressed forward, and Archelaus met him with cavalry, whereupon the Roman horsemen suddenly darted forth, drove back the enemy, and achieved victory." ~ Frontius, Strategemata 3.17


Archelaus had an army of 120,000. The two accounts of the battle, in Appian's Mithridatic Wars, Bk 6 and Plutarch's Life of Sulla, ch. 17-19, claim that only 10,000 of the Mithridatic army survived the battle, while Sulla's army of only 40,000 is said to have lost only 12 men.


The inauguration of Numa Pompilius

"Being summoned to Rome he commanded that, just as Romulus had obeyed the augural omens in building his city and assuming regal power, so too in his own case the gods should be consulted. Accordingly an augur, who thereafter, as a mark of honour, was made a priest of the State in permanent charge of that function, conducted him to the citadel called the Arx and caused him to sit down on a stone facing towards the south. The augur seated himself on Numa's left, having his head covered, and holding in his right hand the crooked staff without a single knot which they call a lituus. Then, looking out over the city and the country beyond, he prayed to the gods, and marked off the heavens by a line from east to west, designating as 'right' the regions to the south, as 'left' those to the north, and fixing in his mind a landmark opposite to him and as far away as the eye could reach; next shifting the lituus to his left hand and, laying his right hand on Numa's head, he uttered the following prayer, 'Father Jupiter, if it is Heaven's will that this man Numa Pompilius, whose head I am touching, be king in Rome, do you exhibit to us unmistakable signs within those limits which I have set.' He then specified the auspices which he desired should be sent, and upon their appearance Numa was declared king, and so descended from the augural station." ~ Titus Livius 1.18.6-10


"In this manner he descended into the forum, where Spurius Vettius, whose turn it was to be interrex at that hour, put it to the vote; and all declared him king. Then the regalities and robes of authority were brought to him; but he refused to be invested with them until he had first consulted and been confirmed by the gods; so being accompanied by the priests and augurs, he ascended the Capitol, which at that time the Romans called the Tarpeian Hill. Then the chief of the augurs covered Numa's head, and turned his face towards the south, and, standing behind him, laid his right hand on his head, and prayed, turning his eyes every way, in expectation of some auspicious signal from the Gods. It was wonderful, meantime, with what silence and devotion the multitude stood assembled in the forum, in similar expectation and suspense, till auspicious birds appeared and passed on the right. Then Numa, apparelling himself in his royal robes, descended from the hill to the people, by whom he was received and congratulated with shouts and acclamations of welcome, as a holy king, and beloved of all the Gods." ~ Plutarch, Life of Numa


Our thought for today is from Epictetus, Discourses 3.15:

"You must be one man, either good or bad. You must cultivate either your own ruling faculty or externals, and apply yourself either to things within or those outside you."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62601 From: irinasergia Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: about the word "hortus"...

 

           Salvete Omnes!

 I would be interested in the meaning of the Latin word "hortus". I think it is in connection with the Roman architecture but I don't know more.

Could anybody tell me something about this subject?

Gratias maximas!

Valete!

Quinta Sergia Alba

 

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62602 From: aerdensrw Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: about the word "hortus"...
Salve!

Now you've got me curious, for purely Trekkie reasons. I always thought 'Horta' was a made-up word, but I can see where the name for that alien would make perfect sense, if the Latin meaning of it concerned architecture. Might it have something to do with tunnels or digging? (I have no Latin dictionary handy.)

Vale,

Paulla Corva Gaudialis
(now returning to regularly-scheduled Romanitas)

Quinta Sergia Alba scripsit:

> Salvete Omnes!

> I would be interested in the meaning of the Latin word "hortus". I
> think it is in connection with the Roman architecture but I don't know
> more.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62603 From: Robb Jackson Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
Salve Consul,
 
Was I removed from office?
 
Vale
 
Ti. Horatius Barbatus
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinica Nova Britannia


From: MCC <complutensis@...>
To: "NRmagistrates@yahoogroups.com" <NRmagistrates@yahoogroups.com>; "CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM@yahoogroups.com" <CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM@yahoogroups.com>; "nrlatinamerica@yahoogroups.com" <nrlatinamerica@yahoogroups.com>; "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>; "NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com" <NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com>; "novaromaeurope@yahoogroups.com" <novaromaeurope@yahoogroups.com>; "NovaRomaProvinciae@yahoogroups.com" <NovaRomaProvinciae@yahoogroups.com>; Senatus <SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 6:07:11 AM
Subject: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR

M. Curiatius Complutensis Consul civibus Novae Romae SPD  

Salvete

This is a call for candidate to the office of provincial governor for the following provinciae


Please send your applications to M.Curiatius. Complutensis at novaroma dot org  


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62604 From: Colin Brodd Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: about the word "hortus"...
C. Tullius Valerianus Quintae Sergiae Albae et Paullae Corvae Gaudiali S.P.D.
 
"Hortus" is usually translated as "garden," in the plural it has the sense of "park" = "the public gardens." It is the root of the English word "horticulture."
 
Valete!

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:31 AM, aerdensrw <aerdensrw@...> wrote:

Salve!

Now you've got me curious, for purely Trekkie reasons. I always thought 'Horta' was a made-up word, but I can see where the name for that alien would make perfect sense, if the Latin meaning of it concerned architecture. Might it have something to do with tunnels or digging? (I have no Latin dictionary handy.)

Vale,

Paulla Corva Gaudialis
(now returning to regularly-scheduled Romanitas)

Quinta Sergia Alba scripsit:

> Salvete Omnes!

> I would be interested in the meaning of the Latin word "hortus". I
> think it is in connection with the Roman architecture but I don't know
> more.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62605 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PRO
Salve Barbatus,
 
this might me my mistake. The consul had asked me to check for provinces with missing governors.
 
I checked the official results of the senate Meeting where the Legati pro Praetores where appointed , message 62069  ,
and there was no statement concerning the provincia Nova Britannia. That´s why I assumed that we are still looking for an
governor for Nova Britannia .
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila

Von: Robb Jackson <robbjaxon@...>
An: NovaRomaProvinciae@yahoogroups.com; "NRmagistrates@yahoogroups.com" <NRmagistrates@yahoogroups.com>; "CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM@yahoogroups.com" <CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM@yahoogroups.com>; "nrlatinamerica@yahoogroups.com" <nrlatinamerica@yahoogroups.com>; "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>; "NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com" <NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com>; "novaromaeurope@yahoogroups.com" <novaromaeurope@yahoogroups.com>; Senatus <SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 2. April 2009, 14:33:52 Uhr
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR

Salve Consul,
 
Was I removed from office?
 
Vale
 
Ti. Horatius Barbatus
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinica Nova Britannia


From: MCC <complutensis@ gmail.com>
To: "NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com" <NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com>; "CONVENTVS_GVBERNAT ORVM@yahoogroups .com" <CONVENTVS_GVBERNATO RVM@yahoogroups. com>; "nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com" <nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com>; "Nova-Roma@yahoogro ups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps..com>; "NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com" <NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com>; "novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com" <novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com>; "NovaRomaProvinciae @yahoogroups. com" <NovaRomaProvinciae@ yahoogroups. com>; Senatus <SenatusRomanus@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 6:07:11 AM
Subject: [NovaRomaProvinciae ] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR

M. Curiatius Complutensis Consul civibus Novae Romae SPD  

Salvete

This is a call for candidate to the office of provincial governor for the following provinciae


Please send your applications to M.Curiatius. Complutensis at novaroma dot org  



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62606 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR
Salve collega Legatus Pro Praetore Barbatus,
 
I have checked and you are absolutely right, you have been appointed Legatus Pro Praetore for the provincia Nova Britannia in November
2761 a.u.c.
 
I apologize for the oversight from my side.
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila


Von: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
CC: robbjaxon@...
Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 2. April 2009, 15:31:05 Uhr
Betreff: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR

Salve Barbatus,
 
this might me my mistake. The consul had asked me to check for provinces with missing governors.
 
I checked the official results of the senate Meeting where the Legati pro Praetores where appointed , message 62069  ,
and there was no statement concerning the provincia Nova Britannia. That´s why I assumed that we are still looking for an
governor for Nova Britannia .
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila

Von: Robb Jackson <robbjaxon@...>
An: NovaRomaProvinciae@yahoogroups.com; "NRmagistrates@yahoogroups.com" <NRmagistrates@yahoogroups.com>; "CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM@yahoogroups.com" <CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM@yahoogroups.com>; "nrlatinamerica@yahoogroups.com" <nrlatinamerica@yahoogroups.com>; "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>; "NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com" <NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com>; "novaromaeurope@yahoogroups.com" <novaromaeurope@yahoogroups.com>; Senatus <SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 2. April 2009, 14:33:52 Uhr
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR

Salve Consul,
 
Was I removed from office?
 
Vale
 
Ti. Horatius Barbatus
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinica Nova Britannia


From: MCC <complutensis@ gmail.com>
To: "NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com" <NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com>; "CONVENTVS_GVBERNAT ORVM@yahoogroups .com" <CONVENTVS_GVBERNATO RVM@yahoogroups. com>; "nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com" <nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com>; "Nova-Roma@yahoogro ups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps..com>; "NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com" <NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com>; "novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com" <novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com>; "NovaRomaProvinciae @yahoogroups. com" <NovaRomaProvinciae@ yahoogroups. com>; Senatus <SenatusRomanus@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 6:07:11 AM
Subject: [NovaRomaProvinciae ] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR

M. Curiatius Complutensis Consul civibus Novae Romae SPD  

Salvete

This is a call for candidate to the office of provincial governor for the following provinciae


Please send your applications to M.Curiatius. Complutensis at novaroma dot org  




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62607 From: Chantal Gaudiano Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: (no subject)
Paulla Corva Gaudialis C. Tullio Valeriano s.p.d.
 
Valerianus scripsit: 
"Hortus" is usually translated as "garden," in the plural it has the sense
of "park" = "the public gardens." It is the root of the English word
"horticulture. "
 
*slaps forehead*  Well, there goes any claim to intelligence I might once have had.  I should have known that word root.  Thanks, Valerianus!
 
I guess 'Horta' was a word made up for Star Trek, unless one wants to presume that the creature was making a 'garden' for her eggs in all of those tunnels she dug.  But I don't think so.  (g)
 
Paulla Corva Gaudialis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62608 From: Rich Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: (unknown)
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 08:18 -0700, Chantal Gaudiano wrote:

Roughly translated from some strange alien language, Horts means: Ugly
carpet draped over actors back.

Rich...

> Paulla Corva Gaudialis C. Tullio Valeriano s.p.d.
>
> Valerianus scripsit:
> "Hortus" is usually translated as "garden," in the plural it has the
> sense
> of "park" = "the public gardens." It is the root of the English word
> "horticulture. "
>
> *slaps forehead* Well, there goes any claim to intelligence I might
> once have had. I should have known that word root. Thanks,
> Valerianus!
>
> I guess 'Horta' was a word made up for Star Trek, unless one wants to
> presume that the creature was making a 'garden' for her eggs in all of
> those tunnels she dug. But I don't think so. (g)
>
> Paulla Corva Gaudialis
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62609 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
Oh I used to frequent the Taverna, so much I pratically lived
there.... If there was another forum besides IRC I might be a little
more game to return.


Pax,
Tinks (R. Cornelia Aeternia)

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
<cn.caelius@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.
>
> It's Market Day! Remember how Nova Roma used to have real-time chats on
> Market Day? I still think we should revive this. IRC, while not great, is
> pretty simple. If you don't have an IRC client:
>
> 1) Visit http://www.mibbit.com/chat
> 2) Pull down server list and choose "Freenode"
> 3) Put some of your Roman Name in the Nick box
> 4) Put "#novaroma" (without the quotation marks) in the channel box
> 5) Click "Go"
>
> So, on the Freenode IRC network there is a channel called #novaroma where we
> can chat. For 20 more hours. Go. :-)
>
> Optime valete!
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62610 From: southern_pride1872 Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: market day chat
it seems like a fine idea
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62611 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
Well, we're still in there. The channel is there. Use it. :-) Use an IRC client, or:

1) Visit http://www.mibbit. com/chat
2) Pull down server list and choose "Freenode"
3) Put some of your Roman Name in the Nick box (I used CnCaelius)
4) Put "#novaroma" (without the quotation marks) in the channel box
5) Click "Go"
 
--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62612 From: vallenporter Date: 2009-04-02
Subject: Re: Market day chat, all day long!
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:
>
> Well, we're still in there. The channel is there. Use it. :-) Use an IRC client, or:
>
> 1) Visit http://www.mibbit com/chat
> 2) Pull down server list and choose "Freenode"
> 3) Put some of your Roman Name in the Nick box (I used CnCaelius)
> 4) Put "#novaroma" (without the quotation marks) in the channel box
> 5) Click "Go"
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>
would love to But as I do not do IRC
( why you ask) well the tech on this system does not let me.
I want a chat room
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62613 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: a. d. III Nonas Aprilis: Rex Numa, Founder of the Religio Romana
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Quirinus pacem nobiscum det.

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Aprilis; haec dies comitialis est. Natalis Quirini

"Circus shows with twenty-four races, [because this is] the Birthday of Quirinus."

The calendar of Filocalus, dated 354 CE, includes festivals and games that were added to the fasti sometime after the early first century. Here the reference is to the anniversary of the dedication of a Temple of Quirinus.


Rex Numa Pompilius: Founder of the Religio Romana

"Having in this way obtained the crown, Numa prepared to found, as it were, anew, by laws and customs, that City which had so recently been founded by force of arms. He saw that this was impossible whilst a state of war lasted, for war brutalised men. Thinking that the ferocity of his subjects might be mitigated by the disuse of arms, he built the temple of Janus at the foot of the Aventine as an index of peace and war, to signify when it was open that the State was under arms, and when it was shut that all the surrounding nations were at peace. Twice since Numa's reign has it been shut, once after the first Punic war in the consulship of T. Manlius, the second time, which heaven has allowed our generation to witness, after the battle of Actium, when peace on land and sea was secured by the emperor Caesar Augustus. After forming treaties of alliance with all his neighbours and closing the temple of Janus, Numa turned his attention to domestic matters. The removal of all danger from without would induce his subjects to luxuriate in idleness, as they would be no longer restrained by the fear of an enemy or by military discipline. To prevent this, he strove to inculcate in their minds the fear of the gods, regarding this as the most powerful influence which could act upon an uncivilised and, in those ages, a barbarous people. But, as this would fail to make a deep impression without some claim to supernatural wisdom, he pretended that he had nocturnal interviews with the nymph Egeria: that it was on her advice that he was instituting the ritual most acceptable to the gods and appointing for each deity his own special priests. First of all he divided the year into twelve months, corresponding to the moon's revolutions. But as the moon does not complete thirty days in each month, and so there are fewer days in the lunar year than in that measured by the course of the sun, he interpolated intercalary months and so arranged them that every twentieth year the days should coincide with the same position of the sun as when they started, the whole twenty years being thus complete. He also established a distinction between the days on which legal business could be transacted and those on which it could not, because it would sometimes be advisable that there should be no business transacted with the people.

"Next he turned his attention to the appointment of priests. He himself, however, conducted a great many religious services, especially those which belong to the Flamen of Jupiter. But he thought that in a warlike state there would be more kings of the type of Romulus than of Numa who would take the field in person. To guard, therefore, against the sacrificial rites which the king performed being interrupted, he appointed a Flamen as perpetual priest to Jupiter, and ordered that he should wear a distinctive dress and sit in the royal curule chair. He appointed two additional Flamens, one for Mars, the other for Quirinus, and also chose virgins as priestesses to Vesta. This order of priestesses came into existence originally in Alba and was connected with the race of the founder. He assigned them a public stipend that they might give their whole time to the temple, and made their persons sacred and inviolable by a vow of chastity and other religious sanctions. Similarly he chose twelve "Salii" for Mars Gradivus, and assigned to them the distinctive dress of an embroidered tunic and over it a brazen cuirass. They were instructed to march in solemn procession through the City, carrying the twelve shields called the "Ancilia," and singing hymns accompanied by a solemn dance in triple time. The next office to be filled was that of the Pontifex Maximus. Numa appointed the son of Marcus, one of the senators- Numa Marcius-and all the regulations bearing on religion, written out and sealed, were placed in his charge. Here was laid down with what victims, on what days, and at what temples the various sacrifices were to be offered, and from what sources the expenses connected with them were to be defrayed. He placed all other sacred functions, both public and private, under the supervision of the Pontifex, in order that there might be an authority for the people to consult, and so all trouble and confusion arising through foreign rites being adopted and their ancestral ones neglected might be avoided. Nor were his functions confined to directing the worship of the celestial gods; he was to instruct the people how to conduct funerals and appease the spirits of the departed, and what prodigies sent by lightning or in any other way were to be attended to and expiated. To elicit these signs of the divine will, he dedicated an altar to Jupiter Elicius on the Aventine, and consulted the god through auguries, as to which prodigies were to receive attention." ~ Titus Livius 1.19-20


His first measure on assuming the government was to disband the body of three hundred men that Romulus always kept about his person, and called "Celeres" (that is, swift ones); for he would not consent to distrust those who trusted him, nor to reign over those who distrusted him. His second measure was to add to the two priests of Jupiter and Mars a third priest of Romulus, whom he called the Flamen Quirinalis. Now before this time the Romans called their priests 'flamines,' from the close-fitting 'piloi,' or caps, which they wear upon their heads, and which have the longer name of 'pilamenai,' as we are told, there being more Greek words mingled with the Latin at that time than now. Thus also the name 'laena,' which the Romans give to the priestly mantle, Juba says is the same as the Greek "chlaina"; and that the name Camillus, which the Romans give to the boy with both parents living who attends upon the priest of Jupiter, is the same as that which some of the Greeks give to Hermes, from his office of attendant." ~ Plutarch, Life of Numa 7.4-5


The thought of the day is from Seneca, On Providence 5:

"Good men toil, spend, and are spent, and willingly so. They are not dragged along by Fortune - they follow Her, and match Her every step."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62614 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Q Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem.

Saluete, Sorores Fratresque.

As you are all doubtless aware, we are yet into the fourth month of this
calendar year. The Senate has been convened and adjourned three times this
year; by the trend, I suspect it shall be four very soon. Yet, of the
magistrates required by laws that we have passed, we are missing one aedilis
curulis, one aedilis plebis, one diribitor, one custos, and possibly others
whose absences or resignations have escaped notice.

Where are our consuls, whose duty it is to see to these elections? And the same
of our tribunes? Where is our Senate, in which we entrust the oversight and
guidance of our magistrates? Where are those institutions we have installed to
ensure that the law is followed? Have our hearts all left the Republic?

What has it come to, my fellow Quirites, when we cease to hold to the fire those
entities entrusted with the most important of things? Have we truly given up?
What use is it to have our magistrates when they do nothing? Has the fire gone
out? For what reasons are we here if we will not put ourselves to the task?
Have we taken on a gaming status?

I do not believe we have given up. I can not believe the fire is out. I will
not believe that we are a game. We are here, and we are all here for the dream
of Rome. For that, I know we all realise, we must fight. The fight, however,
begins here. We must fight for the retention of law and justice in our own
realm before we move to others. This would not have stood in Rome; it must not
stand here.

We must have our elections; we must have our magistrates; the rule of law must
prevail.

Di nos Romanos custodiant!

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62615 From: Chantal Gaudiano Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Re: Meaning of Hortus
Rich--LMAO(!!!!  Yes, "ugly carpet draped over an actor" is a pretty good description of what the Horta looked like!
 
I'm actually rather glad they didn't intend the Latin root when coming up with the Horta's name.  It always annoyed me that they used the term 'Vulcan' for the Vulcans, when that clearly wasn't the Vulcans' name for themselves.
 
P. Corva Gaudialis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62616 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Salve Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus ,
 
I can assure you that the fire has not gone out, in fact we are working very hard to get a working cista for these elections.
 
Without a working cista the elections might be troublesome and suspicion for fraud .
 
I can assure you, that our Consules, Praetores and Tribunes in fact the whole magistrate are doing an excellent job in difficult times.
 
I agree that the elections need to take place and I urge possible candidates - for open positions - to please step forward .
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila

Von: Q. Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@...>
An: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Freitag, den 3. April 2009, 17:47:42 Uhr
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus

Q Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem.

Saluete, Sorores Fratresque.

As you are all doubtless aware, we are yet into the fourth month of this
calendar year. The Senate has been convened and adjourned three times this
year; by the trend, I suspect it shall be four very soon. Yet, of the
magistrates required by laws that we have passed, we are missing one aedilis
curulis, one aedilis plebis, one diribitor, one custos, and possibly others
whose absences or resignations have escaped notice.

Where are our consuls, whose duty it is to see to these elections? And the same
of our tribunes? Where is our Senate, in which we entrust the oversight and
guidance of our magistrates? Where are those institutions we have installed to
ensure that the law is followed? Have our hearts all left the Republic?

What has it come to, my fellow Quirites, when we cease to hold to the fire those
entities entrusted with the most important of things? Have we truly given up?
What use is it to have our magistrates when they do nothing? Has the fire gone
out? For what reasons are we here if we will not put ourselves to the task?
Have we taken on a gaming status?

I do not believe we have given up. I can not believe the fire is out. I will
not believe that we are a game. We are here, and we are all here for the dream
of Rome. For that, I know we all realise, we must fight. The fight, however,
begins here. We must fight for the retention of law and justice in our own
realm before we move to others. This would not have stood in Rome; it must not
stand here.

We must have our elections; we must have our magistrates; the rule of law must
prevail.

Di nos Romanos custodiant!

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62617 From: vallenporter Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
>
>
and there is a request in for America Boreoccidentalis

Marcus Cornelius Felix





Salve collega Legatus Pro Praetore Barbatus,
>
> I have checked and you are absolutely right, you have been appointed Legatus Pro Praetore for the provincia Nova Britannia in November
> 2761 a.u.c.
>
> I apologize for the oversight from my side.
>
> Optime vale
> Titus Flavius Aquila
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Von: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...>
> An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> CC: robbjaxon@...
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 2. April 2009, 15:31:05 Uhr
> Betreff: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
>
>
> Salve Barbatus,
>
> this might me my mistake. The consul had asked me to check for provinces with missing governors.
>
> I checked the official results of the senate Meeting where the Legati pro Praetores where appointed , message 62069  ,
> and there was no statement concerning the provincia Nova Britannia. That´s why I assumed that we are still looking for an
> governor for Nova Britannia .
>
> Optime vale
> Titus Flavius Aquila
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: Robb Jackson <robbjaxon@...>
> An: NovaRomaProvinciae@yahoogroups.com; "NRmagistrates@yahoogroups.com" <NRmagistrates@yahoogroups.com>; "CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM@yahoogroups.com" <CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM@yahoogroups.com>; "nrlatinamerica@yahoogroups.com" <nrlatinamerica@yahoogroups.com>; "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>; "NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com" <NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com>; "novaromaeurope@yahoogroups.com" <novaromaeurope@yahoogroups.com>; Senatus <SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 2. April 2009, 14:33:52 Uhr
> Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
>
> Salve Consul,
>
> Was I removed from office?
>
> Vale
>
> Ti. Horatius Barbatus
> Legatus Pro Praetore Provinica Nova Britannia
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: MCC <complutensis@ gmail.com>
> To: "NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com" <NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com>; "CONVENTVS_GVBERNAT ORVM@yahoogroups .com" <CONVENTVS_GVBERNATO RVM@yahoogroups. com>; "nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com" <nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com>; "Nova-Roma@yahoogro ups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com>; "NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com" <NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com>; "novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com" <novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com>; "NovaRomaProvinciae @yahoogroups. com" <NovaRomaProvinciae@ yahoogroups. com>; Senatus <SenatusRomanus@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 6:07:11 AM
> Subject: [NovaRomaProvinciae ] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
>
>
> M.. Curiatius Complutensis Consul civibus Novae Romae SPD  
>
> Salvete
>
> This is a call for candidate to the office of provincial governor for the following provinciae
>
>
>
>  
> America Austroccidentalis
> America Boreoccidentalis 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62618 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
C. Equitius Cato Q. Caecilio Mettelo Pio Postumiano omnibusque in foro SPD

Salve et salvete.

Metellus Pius, I am currently trying to figure out if it is possible to rig up a method of voting in accordance with our law even if the cista is not functioning. Whether our magistrates are doing so as well is unknown, as little has been said.

If we can get something going, I am going to offer to serve again in the curule aedileship with Gn. Iulius Caesar.

I think citizens interested in the other posts may want to set there names out for the People to consider while a method of voting is being sought out.

Vale et valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus" <q.caecilius.metellus@...> wrote:
>
> Q Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem.
>
> Saluete, Sorores Fratresque.
>
> As you are all doubtless aware, we are yet into the fourth month of this
> calendar year. The Senate has been convened and adjourned three times this
> year; by the trend, I suspect it shall be four very soon. Yet, of the
> magistrates required by laws that we have passed, we are missing one aedilis
> curulis, one aedilis plebis, one diribitor, one custos, and possibly others
> whose absences or resignations have escaped notice.
>
> Where are our consuls, whose duty it is to see to these elections? And the same
> of our tribunes? Where is our Senate, in which we entrust the oversight and
> guidance of our magistrates? Where are those institutions we have installed to
> ensure that the law is followed? Have our hearts all left the Republic?
>
> What has it come to, my fellow Quirites, when we cease to hold to the fire those
> entities entrusted with the most important of things? Have we truly given up?
> What use is it to have our magistrates when they do nothing? Has the fire gone
> out? For what reasons are we here if we will not put ourselves to the task?
> Have we taken on a gaming status?
>
> I do not believe we have given up. I can not believe the fire is out. I will
> not believe that we are a game. We are here, and we are all here for the dream
> of Rome. For that, I know we all realise, we must fight. The fight, however,
> begins here. We must fight for the retention of law and justice in our own
> realm before we move to others. This would not have stood in Rome; it must not
> stand here.
>
> We must have our elections; we must have our magistrates; the rule of law must
> prevail.
>
> Di nos Romanos custodiant!
>
> Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62619 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus

"Sought out"? Geez, it's not that hard:

1a) Mail postcard ballots
or
1b) Send e-mail ballots
or
1c) Use some crappy poll software
2) Have the diribitors and custodes do their jobs.
3) Announce results

    People just need to do things. Of course, would it help? Would filling the offices help Nova Roma? After much thought (and even though I suggested the elections), I think not. I was starting to work on a cista, but have resigned from the CIO office out of frustration with Nova Roma. Maybe Saturninus will get a web-based cista together, even though it's technically the responsibility of an election's presiding magistrate.

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62621 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Cato Cornelio Ahenobarbo sal.

Salve.

Actually, that's not the case; it's the responsibility of the magister
aranearius:

"In consultation with the diribitores, the magister aranearius shall make available a cista, a secure web-based form, to allow citizens to vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the individual. The information thus collected will either be forwarded to the diribitores as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their discretion." - Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum 4.B

and

"In consultation with the diribitores, the magister aranearius shall make available a cista, a secure web-based form, to allow citizens to vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall record the voter identification code and desired vote(s) of the individual. The information thus collected will either be forwarded to the diribitores as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their discretion." - Lex Moravia de suffragiis in comitiis plebis tributis et ratione comitiorum plebis tributorum VI.B

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:
>
>
> "Sought out"? Geez, it's not that hard:
>
> 1a) Mail postcard ballots
>
> or
> 1b) Send e-mail ballots
> or
> 1c) Use some crappy poll software
> 2) Have the diribitors and custodes do their jobs.
> 3) Announce results
>
> People just need to do things. Of course, would it help? Would filling the offices help Nova Roma? After much thought (and even though I suggested the elections), I think not. I was starting to work on a cista, but have resigned from the CIO office out of frustration with Nova Roma. Maybe Saturninus will get a web-based cista together, even though it's technically the responsibility of an election's presiding magistrate.
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62622 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-04-03
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Ah, so our problem is encoded in leges. Nice, short-term, Internet-based, non-serious vision there, Fabius and Moravius.
 
--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Lictor Curiatus et Accensus Consulum
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com



From: Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 8:16:37 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus

Cato Cornelio Ahenobarbo sal.

Salve.

Actually, that's not the case; it's the responsibility of the magister arenearius:

"In consultation with the diribitores, the magister aranearius shall make available a cista, a secure web-based form, to allow citizens to vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the individual. The information thus collected will either be forwarded to the diribitores as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their discretion." - Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum 4.B

and

"In consultation with the diribitores, the magister aranearius shall make available a cista, a secure web-based form, to allow citizens to vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall record the voter identification code and desired vote(s) of the individual. The information thus collected will either be forwarded to the diribitores as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their discretion." - Lex Moravia de suffragiis in comitiis plebis tributis et ratione comitiorum plebis tributorum VI.B

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> "Sought out"? Geez, it's not that hard:
>
> 1a) Mail postcard ballots
>
> or
> 1b) Send e-mail ballots
> or
> 1c) Use some crappy poll software
> 2) Have the diribitors and custodes do their jobs.
> 3) Announce results
>
> People just need to do things. Of course, would it help? Would filling the offices help Nova Roma? After much thought (and even though I suggested the elections), I think not. I was starting to work on a cista, but have resigned from the CIO office out of frustration with Nova Roma. Maybe Saturninus will get a web-based cista together, even though it's technically the responsibility of an election's presiding magistrate.
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum
> http://becomingnewt hroughtheold. blogspot. com
>


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62623 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Formal Resignation of Citizenship/Membership in Nova Roma
Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.

By the process given in lex Cornelia et Maria de civitate eiuranda for resignation, I am posting this to this mailing list in addition to sending it directly to the censores.

I, Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus, hereby resign my citizenship/membership in Nova Roma. I resign from all offices.

Nova Roma has too many problems and too few people willing to get their hands dirty to fix them. Often, when someone proposes a solution, it is not only discarded but berated. Instead of working, people "organize" and "plan" excessively. The religio is not healthy, and Latin is almost non-existent. The magistracies are ineffective and the senate holds too much power. And there is way too much bad blood and enmity between people. What needs to be realized is that Nova Roma is truly dying, and that one must not plan a complex operation, but should simply stop the bleeding and assess the situation; it is triage. If there is a way to save it, you do. If not, you let it die.
I have been here for one year. After doing much research into Nova Roma's problems and its history, I see the chances of anything that could resemble Nova Roma's success are slim, at best. Nova Roma is a failure, both as a non-profit organization and as a society of supposedly like-minded individuals. I am unwilling to expend any more of my time and energy here.

Optime valete!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62624 From: M•IVL• SEVERVS Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Severus Consul omnibusque sal.
 
Where are the Consuls? Working. Trying to achieve the best for the Res publica, in spite of all the difficulties and the ill will propagued by a vociferous minority, dedicated to sink Nova Roma.
The CIO, Senator C. Curius Saturninus, is working on a system that will allow us to have a reliable cista in order to call to the extraordinary elections.
We have not surrendered nor we will surrender. We will fulfill our duties, in spite of those who would wish to see us intimidated.
Our hearts are in and with the Res publica.
And yes: the rule of law must prevail.
 
Vale et valete,
M•IVL•SEVERVS
CONSVL•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

SENATOR
CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62625 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Formal Resignation of Citizenship/Membership in Nova
Salve Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus ,

 

I regret your resignation very much, please reconsider.

 

Yes, Nova Roma is not yet ideal in some aspects, there are drawbacks, but what would change if we leave ?

 

But we had as well success stories. We do have now an active Pontifex Maximus, we have secured the financial situation

of our res publica, we are strengthening the IT area.

 

There are decisions pending for our Republic of great importance, you will see a positive development.

 

I had considered my resignation several times, but I decided to stay, to work and fight for our Republic of Nova Roma.
 
I have always welcomed your well thought recommendations, please stay on !
 
Give us one more year and then decide . You will see the progress I promise you.
 
Roma aeterna ! Pro patria !

 

Optime vale

Titus Flavius Aquila




Von: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Samstag, den 4. April 2009, 06:03:47 Uhr
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Formal Resignation of Citizenship/Membership in Nova Roma


Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.

By the process given in lex Cornelia et Maria de civitate eiuranda for resignation, I am posting this to this mailing list in addition to sending it directly to the censores.

I, Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus, hereby resign my citizenship/ membership in Nova Roma. I resign from all offices.

Nova Roma has too many problems and too few people willing to get their hands dirty to fix them. Often, when someone proposes a solution, it is not only discarded but berated. Instead of working, people "organize" and "plan" excessively. The religio is not healthy, and Latin is almost non-existent. The magistracies are ineffective and the senate holds too much power. And there is way too much bad blood and enmity between people. What needs to be realized is that Nova Roma is truly dying, and that one must not plan a complex operation, but should simply stop the bleeding and assess the situation; it is triage. If there is a way to save it, you do. If not, you let it die.
I have been here for one year. After doing much research into Nova Roma's problems and its history, I see the chances of anything that could resemble Nova Roma's success are slim, at best. Nova Roma is a failure, both as a non-profit organization and as a society of supposedly like-minded individuals. I am unwilling to expend any more of my time and energy here.

Optime valete!


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62626 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Pridie Nonas Aprilis: Ludi Megalesiaci
M. Moravius Horatianus cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus, et omnibus salutem plaurimam dicit: Magna Mater Idaea Deorum nos complectatur dulce.

Hodie est die pristini Nonas Aprilis; haec dies comitialis est: Ludi Megalesiaci; Ludi Matri Deum Magnae Idaeae, Megalesia vocantur quod ea Dea Megale appellatur. Nobilium mutitationes cenarum solitae sunt frequenter fieri, quod Mater Magna ex Libris Sibullinis arcessita locum mutavit ex Phrygia Romam.

AUC 551 / 204 BCE: Introduction of the Magna Mater and the initiation of the Megalesia

"Two suns were said to have been seen; there were intervals of daylight during the night; a meteor was seen to shoot from east to west; a gate at Tarracina and at Anagnia a gate and several portions of the wall were struck by lightning; in the temple of Juno Sospita at Lanuvium a crash followed by a dreadful roar was heard. To expiate these portents special intercessions were offered for a whole day, and in consequence of a shower of stones a nine days' solemnity of prayer and sacrifice was observed. The reception of Mater Idaea was also being anxiously discussed. M. Valerius, the member of the deputation who had come in advance, had reported that she would be in Italy almost immediately and a fresh messenger had brought word that she was already at Tarracina. The attention of the senate was engrossed by a very difficult question; they had to decide who was the best and noblest man in the State. Every one felt that to gain this distinction would be for him a real victory, far outweighing any official position or honourable distinction which either patricians or plebeians could confer. Of all the great and good men in the State they adjudged the best and noblest to be P. Scipio, the son of the Cnaeus Scipio who had fallen in Spain; a young man not yet old enough to be quaestor. What special merits of his induced the senate to come to this conclusion I should have been glad to record for posterity had the writers who lived nearest to those days handed them down. As it is I will not obtrude my conjectures upon a matter hidden in the mists of antiquity.

"P. Scipio was ordered to go to Ostia, accompanied by all the matrons, to meet the goddess. He was to receive her as she left the vessel, and when brought to land he was to place her in the hands of the matrons who were to bear her to her destination. As soon as the ship appeared off the mouth of the Tiber he put out to sea in accordance with his instructions, received the goddess from the hands of her priestesses, and brought her to land. Here she was received by the foremost matrons of the City, amongst whom the name of Claudia Quinta stands out pre-eminently. According to the traditional account her reputation had previously been doubtful, but this sacred function surrounded her with a halo of chastity in the eyes of posterity. The matrons, each taking their turn in bearing the sacred image, carried the goddess into the temple of Victory on the Palatine. All the citizens flocked out to meet them, censers in which incense was burning were placed before the doors in the streets through which she was borne, and from all lips arose the prayer that she would of her own free will and favour be pleased to enter Rome. The day on which this event took place was 12th April, and was observed as a festival; the people came in crowds to make their offerings to the deity; a lectisternium was held and Games were constituted which were known afterwards as the Megalesian." ~ Titus Livius 29.14

In the midst of the Second Punic War the Sibylline Oracles revealled that only by recovering the Phrygian Goddess whom their Trojan ancestors worshipped could Rome be saved from Hannibal. Upon Her arrival Cornelius Scipio was ready to sail for Africa, a good harvest was brought in for the first time in years, and Hannibal was forced to leave Italy in order to defend Carthage. Everything promised by Her return to the Romans was fulfilled.

The story of Her introduction goes back a hundred years earlier when a triumphant Rome adopted the cultus of Aeneas from the Latins and interwove the legends of Romulus into a lineage back to Aeneas. This was a patrician cultus whereby they identified themselves as descendants of the Trojans who joined with the Latins, as opposed to the plebeians. The Great Mother of the Gods from Mount Ida referred to a Goddess near Ilium, and therefore assumed to have been the Goddess of the Trojans. The idea of Romans descending from Trojans was first effectively used in the war against Pyrrhus. Now the patricians needed something to bolster themselves and also enjoin the plebeians to remain firm in the face of so many disasters against Hannibal. New plebeian rites had been introduced for Ceres roughly ten years earlier, just before the disaster of Cannae, and now a new patrician cultus was being introduced.

This distinction of the original cultus for the Magna Mater as a patrician cultus remained into the imperial era. This was an entirely Roman cultus. That is, a Roman cultus was first established to receive the Magna Mater since it was assumed that their own Roman rites had first been introduced by Aeneas. With Her arrival camme another cultus, the foreign cultus of the galli and so on, but that is a story for another day. Today was celebrated only by upper society. Originally only the patricians were included, but then by all nobiles, and in imperial times by everyone of upper society, the principes civitatis. And these were private celebrations held as dinner parties (Gellius, Noctes Atticae 18.2.11-12; Lydus 4.45; Verrius, fasti Praenestini above).

It was not until 10 April 191 BCE that a temple was dedicated for the Magna Mater on the Palatine Hill. On that day alone the anniversary called Megalesia was first celebrated as a public festival attended by plebeians. But over time the Ludi Megalesiaci expanded to include 4 through 10 April. The public festivities became more plebeian. Late in the Republic two patrician aediles, Catalina and Clodius, in turn, introduced plebeian forms of entertainment into the games held for the Magna Mater. Also the foreign cultus was given more public display over the years. These changes to the public cultus made today's private celebrations all the more a class difference between the different culti Matri Magnae that were to emerge.


AUC 790 / 37 CE: On this date the remains of Emperor Tiberius were placed in the Mausoleum of Augustus

AUC 941 / 188 CE: Birth of the future emperor Septimius Bassianus (later known as M. Aurelius Antoninus Magnus; and better known today as Caracalla)


Our thought for today is from Pythagoras, Golden Sayings 56-66:

"Few know how to deliver themselves out of their misfortunes. Such is the fate that blinds mankind, and takes away his senses. Like huge cylinders they roll to and fro, and always oppressed with ills innumerable. For fatal strife, innate, pursues them everywhere, tossing them up and down; nor do they perceive it. Instead of provoking and stirring it up, they ought, by yielding, to avoid it.

"Oh! Jupiter, our Father! if Thou would'st deliver men from all the evils that oppress them, show them of what dæmon they make use. But take courage; the race of man is divine. Sacred nature reveals to them the most hidden mysteries. If she impart to thee her secrets, thou wilt easily perform all the things which I have ordained thee. And by the healing of thy soul, thou wilt deliver it from all evils, from all afflictions."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62628 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Salvete.

For two thousand dollars (US$2,000.00) we could have a completely re-written cista program within a few hours. Is this not worth spending money on?

Valete,

Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL• SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@...> wrote:
>
> Severus Consul omnibusque sal.
>
> Where are the Consuls? Working. Trying to achieve the best for the Res
> publica, in spite of all the difficulties and the ill will propagued by a
> vociferous minority, dedicated to sink Nova Roma.
> The CIO, Senator C. Curius Saturninus, is working on a system that will
> allow us to have a reliable cista in order to call to the extraordinary
> elections.
> We have not surrendered nor we will surrender. We will fulfill our duties,
> in spite of those who would wish to see us intimidated.
> Our hearts are in and with the Res publica.
> And yes: the rule of law must prevail.
>
> Vale et valete,
> M•IVL•SEVERVS
> CONSVL•NOVƕROMÆ
>
> SENATOR
> CONSVL•PROVINCIƕMEXICO
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62629 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
Cato magistrati in foro SPD

Salvete.


and...


silence.





Here you are presented with a *long-term* solution to a very serious problem that is well within our means to adopt, yet there is no response. Not even a question about who or where or how or what.

Very well, then.

Carry on, working hard.

Valete,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> For two thousand dollars (US$2,000.00) we could have a completely re-written cista program within a few hours. Is this not worth spending money on?
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL• SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@> wrote:
> >
> > Severus Consul omnibusque sal.
> >
> > Where are the Consuls? Working. Trying to achieve the best for the Res
> > publica, in spite of all the difficulties and the ill will propagued by a
> > vociferous minority, dedicated to sink Nova Roma.
> > The CIO, Senator C. Curius Saturninus, is working on a system that will
> > allow us to have a reliable cista in order to call to the extraordinary
> > elections.
> > We have not surrendered nor we will surrender. We will fulfill our duties,
> > in spite of those who would wish to see us intimidated.
> > Our hearts are in and with the Res publica.
> > And yes: the rule of law must prevail.
> >
> > Vale et valete,
> > M•IVL•SEVERVS
> > CONSVL•NOVƕROMÆ
> >
> > SENATOR
> > CONSVL•PROVINCIƕMEXICO
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62630 From: Steve Moore Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: Formal Resignation of Citizenship/Membership in Nova Roma
M. Valerius Potitus Cn. Caelio Ahenobarbo omnibusque SPD.

I sincerely regret the decision of my friend Caelius to resign. He is a very pious man with a great deal of energy and knowledge and (dare I say) wisdom--resources that the Republic desperately needs. I have worked with him personally to form the first oppidum in the Western hemisphere. He will be sorely missed.

That being said, I understand and feel his frustration. While I am not a "newbie" (I've been a citizen for almost two years), I am not an "old-timer" either. I fall into that category of citizen--the "tweens", you might say--who have been around long enough to see through some of the .... that goes on here, but not long enough to sit around and reminisce about the "good old days" or "bad old days". (In my opinion, you're a "tween" if you lived through the Pagan / Christian fights more than twice.)

Speaking as a "tween", it is irrelevant to me that X did this to Y in the second year of the Republic, etc. (Mind you, it is relevant if it truly impacts the current condition of the organization.) But the personal enmities mean nothing to me, and discussions of them are like fingernails on a chalkboard.

I want to move forward--and the only way (yes, I said ONLY) to do this is to organize local chapters. That's not to disparage the Senate or the magistrates, or those people working on the voting system, etc. But the growth of the organization is going to happen at the local level--and the local chapters will give back to the organization new leaders. Plant the seed and reap the harvest (quick adoratio to Ceres).

To use the metaphor used by Caelius, I would not say that Nova Roma is dead or dying--I would say that she has not truly been born yet. Her future is still ahead, and that future lies with local chapters and new leaders who are willing to see beyond their own personal vendettas.

Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62632 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: CISTA
Cato omnes in foro SPD

Salvete.

By the way, the $2000 is for a permanent, long-term solution. For a quick-fix at $60 we could have an election tomorrow.

If it took me less than one hour to find this out, why has it taken our
magistrates - the ones who are "working" on it - four months and still have no plan to proceed?

Valete,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62633 From: Ron Acosta Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: A New Citizen's Greetings
Salve Aureliane,

 Thank you once again for welcoming me as a civis of AAE. I'm thrilled to find that there are others in this part of the country that also enjoy taking part in discussing anything Roman. I do hope look forward to helping out and taking part in any activities and provincial posts that may present themselves.
Speaking of this, I noticed that the office of praefectus regio for Florida appears as vacant. Is this still the case? If so, what necessary steps would one take to apply for the position. Also, what exactly does the role entail, and on a day-to-day basis?

Optime vale!  :)

  S. Anton. Costa

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...> wrote:
Hope you will be active in the province.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
Gubenator Am. Austrorientalis



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Acosta <raa914@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 2:15 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings

   Salve,

 As this is my first post, I would like to introduce myself to the republic. My name is Sextus Antonius Costa and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma for about two months now. I live in the Provincia America Austrorientalis.
I have lived in this region all of my life although my ancestry traces it's roots to Hispania. I look forward to getting in touch with other citizens in the region and throughout the republic and engaging in all the fascinating topics that abound on all things Roman.

  Vale,

  S. Antonius Costa
 
 


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62634 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PRO
Salve Marcus Cornelius Felix,
 
your request has been noted . Thank you very much for your willingness to serve our res publia.
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila


Von: vallenporter <magewuffa@...>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Freitag, den 3. April 2009, 03:05:37 Uhr
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ ...> wrote:
>
>
and there is a request in for America Boreoccidentalis

Marcus Cornelius Felix

Salve collega Legatus Pro Praetore Barbatus,
>
> I have checked and you are absolutely right, you have been appointed Legatus Pro Praetore for the provincia Nova Britannia in November
> 2761 a.u.c.
>
> I apologize for the oversight from my side.
>
> Optime vale
> Titus Flavius Aquila
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> Von: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ ...>
> An: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> CC: robbjaxon@.. .
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 2. April 2009, 15:31:05 Uhr
> Betreff: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae ] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
>
>
> Salve Barbatus,
>
> this might me my mistake. The consul had asked me to check for provinces with missing governors.
>
> I checked the official results of the senate Meeting where the Legati pro Praetores where appointed , message 62069  ,
> and there was no statement concerning the provincia Nova Britannia. That´s why I assumed that we are still looking for an
> governor for Nova Britannia .
>
> Optime vale
> Titus Flavius Aquila
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> Von: Robb Jackson <robbjaxon@. ..>
> An: NovaRomaProvinciae@ yahoogroups. com; "NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com" <NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com>; "CONVENTVS_GVBERNATO RVM@yahoogroups. com" <CONVENTVS_GVBERNATO RVM@yahoogroups. com>; "nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com" <nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com>; "Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com>; "NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com" <NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com>; "novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com" <novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com>; Senatus <SenatusRomanus@ yahoogroups. com>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 2. April 2009, 14:33:52 Uhr
> Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae ] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
>
> Salve Consul,
>
> Was I removed from office?
>
> Vale
>
> Ti. Horatius Barbatus
> Legatus Pro Praetore Provinica Nova Britannia
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: MCC <complutensis@ gmail.com>
> To: "NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com" <NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com>; "CONVENTVS_GVBERNAT ORVM@yahoogroups .com" <CONVENTVS_GVBERNAT O RVM@yahoogroups. com>; "nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com" <nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com>; "Nova-Roma@yahoogro ups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogro u ps.com>; "NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com" <NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com>; "novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com" <novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com>; "NovaRomaProvinciae @yahoogroups. com" <NovaRomaProvinciae @ yahoogroups. com>; Senatus <SenatusRomanus@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 6:07:11 AM
> Subject: [NovaRomaProvinciae ] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
>
>
> M.. Curiatius Complutensis Consul civibus Novae Romae SPD  
>
> Salvete
>
> This is a call for candidate to the office of provincial governor for the following provinciae
>
>
>
>  
> America Austroccidentalis
> America Boreoccidentalis 
> America Medioccidentalis Superior
> Asia Citerior
> Australia
> Britannia
> California
> Hibernia
> Nova Britannia
> Venedia
>  
> Please send your applications to M.Curiatius. Complutensis at novaroma dot org  
>


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62635 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: Formal Resignation of Citizenship/Membership in Nova Roma
L. Livia Plauta omnibus sal.

I'm sorry to see Caelius Ahenobarbus go. I didn't think he was a quitter.
Obviously those who thought he was not reliable were right.


>
>
> Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.
>
> By the process given in lex Cornelia et Maria de civitate eiuranda for resignation, I am posting this to this mailing list in addition to sending it directly to the censores.
>
> I, Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus, hereby resign my citizenship/membership in Nova Roma. I resign from all offices.
>
> Nova Roma has too many problems and too few people willing to get their hands dirty to fix them. Often, when someone proposes a solution, it is not only discarded but berated. Instead of working, people "organize" and "plan" excessively. The religio is not healthy, and Latin is almost non-existent. The magistracies are ineffective and the senate holds too much power. And there is way too much bad blood and enmity between people. What needs to be realized is that Nova Roma is truly dying, and that one must not plan a complex operation, but should simply stop the bleeding and assess the situation; it is triage. If there is a way to save it, you do. If not, you let it die.
> I have been here for one year. After doing much research into Nova Roma's problems and its history, I see the chances of anything that could resemble Nova Roma's success are slim, at best. Nova Roma is a failure, both as a non-profit organization and as a society of supposedly like-minded individuals. I am unwilling to expend any more of my time and energy here.
>
> Optime valete!
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62636 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa
Salve Sextus Antonius Costa,
I am new to the Nova Roma community so please excuse my grammar, as grammar is specific in Latin though I have lots to learn. My NR name is Tiberius Marcius Quadra, and I've learned that citizens would address me TI. MARCI QUADRA.

Like yourself, I observed the similarity with my last name with the Latin names available. Naming oneself is an important process. Addmitedly, I am OCD, so it takes me much longer than the average person to get aquainted with many things. But once I catch on, I tend to maximize my involvement. So I commend you on your desire to serve the Florida area; salute!

I actually have been observing the Nova Romans since July 3, 2004. It took the adverse responses of some disgruntled NR citizens to provoke me to joining. I don't think I'll be vieing for office any time soon, due to my busy hectic schedule. I bid you macte! in your quest for office.
Optime vale!
Ti. Marci Quadra


From: Ron Acosta <raa914@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:00:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings

Salve Aureliane,

 Thank you once again for welcoming me as a civis of AAE. I'm thrilled to find that there are others in this part of the country that also enjoy taking part in discussing anything Roman. I do hope look forward to helping out and taking part in any activities and provincial posts that may present themselves.
Speaking of this, I noticed that the office of praefectus regio for Florida appears as vacant. Is this still the case? If so, what necessary steps would one take to apply for the position. Also, what exactly does the role entail, and on a day-to-day basis?

Optime vale!  :)

  S. Anton. Costa

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ aol.com> wrote:
Hope you will be active in the province.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
Gubenator Am. Austrorientalis



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Acosta <raa914@gmail. com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 2:15 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings

   Salve,

 As this is my first post, I would like to introduce myself to the republic. My name is Sextus Antonius Costa and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma for about two months now. I live in the Provincia America Austrorientalis.
I have lived in this region all of my life although my ancestry traces it's roots to Hispania. I look forward to getting in touch with other citizens in the region and throughout the republic and engaging in all the fascinating topics that abound on all things Roman.

  Vale,

  S. Antonius Costa
 
 


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62637 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa
Cato Tiberio Marcio Quadrae Sexto Antonio Costaesque SPD

Salvete!

And welcome to the res publica! I wish you both the very best and I hope you both find things interesting here :)

We tend to go at each other at times, which is, itself, a very Roman thing to do!

Valete,

Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Sextus Antonius Costa,
> I am new to the Nova Roma community so please excuse my grammar, as grammar is specific in Latin though I have lots to learn. My NR name is Tiberius Marcius Quadra, and I've learned that citizens would address me TI. MARCI QUADRA.
>
> Like yourself, I observed the similarity with my last name with the Latin names available. Naming oneself is an important process. Addmitedly, I am OCD, so it takes me much longer than the average person to get aquainted with many things. But once I catch on, I tend to maximize my involvement. So I commend you on your desire to serve the Florida area; salute!
>
> I actually have been observing the Nova Romans since July 3, 2004. It took the adverse responses of some disgruntled NR citizens to provoke me to joining. I don't think I'll be vieing for office any time soon, due to my busy hectic schedule. I bid you macte! in your quest for office.
> Optime vale!
> Ti. Marci Quadra
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ron Acosta <raa914@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:00:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
>
>
> Salve Aureliane,
>
> Thank you once again for welcoming me as a
> civis of AAE. I'm thrilled to find that there are others in this part
> of the country that also enjoy taking part in discussing anything
> Roman. I do hope look forward to helping out and taking part in any
> activities and provincial posts that may present themselves.
> Speaking of this, I noticed that the office of praefectus regio for
> Florida appears as vacant. Is this still the case? If so, what
> necessary steps would one take to apply for the position. Also, what
> exactly does the role entail, and on a day-to-day basis?
>
> Optime vale! :)
>
> S. Anton. Costa
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hope you will be active in the province.
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> Gubenator Am. Austrorientalis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Acosta <raa914@gmail. com>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 2:15 pm
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
>
>
> Salve,
>
> As this is my first post, I would like to introduce myself to the republic. My name is Sextus Antonius Costa and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma for about two months now. I live in the Provincia America Austrorientalis.
> I have lived in this region all of my life although my ancestry traces it's roots to Hispania. I look forward to getting in touch with other citizens in the region and throughout the republic and engaging in all the fascinating topics that abound on all things Roman.
>
> Vale,
>
> S. Antonius Costa
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now!
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62638 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Ave!

I would also like to mention that this resolution was discussed on the back alley.

I also have just offered to pay the $60.00 to have the Cista set up to the point where we can have the election tomorrow.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato omnes in foro SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> By the way, the $2000 is for a permanent, long-term solution. For a quick-fix at $60 we could have an election tomorrow.
>
> If it took me less than one hour to find this out, why has it taken our
> magistrates - the ones who are "working" on it - four months and still have no plan to proceed?
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62639 From: Maior Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
first let's remember that we dont have a webmaster. Ours quit because he was unappreciated and overworked by cives who demanded the cista just work among other matters.

2nd: our magistrates aren't paid. they have day jobs.

3rd. Our consuls and the Senate had to waste an X load of time over Sulla's lawsuit and Cato's quitting. We're tired. Frankly I've spent weeks on these issues and id have rather discussed and helped with the cista.

Finally, I for one have research to do for the CP, organize a local meeting in Durham for the local cives, and yes, my macro work.

valete
Maior


>
> Cato omnes in foro SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> By the way, the $2000 is for a permanent, long-term solution. For a quick-fix at $60 we could have an election tomorrow.
>
> If it took me less than one hour to find this out, why has it taken our
> magistrates - the ones who are "working" on it - four months and still have no plan to proceed?
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62640 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa
Salve Ti. Marce Quadra,

welcome to Nova Roma!
You must have guts if all the disgruntled citizens could achieve is to make you join!
Congratulations!

And congratulations to S. Antonius Costa too, for being interested in doing hard work right on joining!

Valete,
L. Livia Plauta

>
> Salve Sextus Antonius Costa,
> I am new to the Nova Roma community so please excuse my grammar, as grammar is specific in Latin though I have lots to learn. My NR name is Tiberius Marcius Quadra, and I've learned that citizens would address me TI. MARCI QUADRA.
>
> Like yourself, I observed the similarity with my last name with the Latin names available. Naming oneself is an important process. Addmitedly, I am OCD, so it takes me much longer than the average person to get aquainted with many things. But once I catch on, I tend to maximize my involvement. So I commend you on your desire to serve the Florida area; salute!
>
> I actually have been observing the Nova Romans since July 3, 2004. It took the adverse responses of some disgruntled NR citizens to provoke me to joining. I don't think I'll be vieing for office any time soon, due to my busy hectic schedule. I bid you macte! in your quest for office.
> Optime vale!
> Ti. Marci Quadra
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ron Acosta <raa914@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:00:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
>
>
> Salve Aureliane,
>
> Thank you once again for welcoming me as a
> civis of AAE. I'm thrilled to find that there are others in this part
> of the country that also enjoy taking part in discussing anything
> Roman. I do hope look forward to helping out and taking part in any
> activities and provincial posts that may present themselves.
> Speaking of this, I noticed that the office of praefectus regio for
> Florida appears as vacant. Is this still the case? If so, what
> necessary steps would one take to apply for the position. Also, what
> exactly does the role entail, and on a day-to-day basis?
>
> Optime vale! :)
>
> S. Anton. Costa
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hope you will be active in the province.
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> Gubenator Am. Austrorientalis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Acosta <raa914@gmail. com>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 2:15 pm
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
>
>
> Salve,
>
> As this is my first post, I would like to introduce myself to the republic. My name is Sextus Antonius Costa and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma for about two months now. I live in the Provincia America Austrorientalis.
> I have lived in this region all of my life although my ancestry traces it's roots to Hispania. I look forward to getting in touch with other citizens in the region and throughout the republic and engaging in all the fascinating topics that abound on all things Roman.
>
> Vale,
>
> S. Antonius Costa
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now!
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62641 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Citizenship diploma
Salvete
 
I while back ( a year or so) I created a mock up of a Citizenship diploma and I believe i sent it out to a number of people for comment.
I can not find my copy just now and I was wondering if anybody else still has it? If you do can you please send me a copy?
 
Thanks!
 
Valete
 
Ti. Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62642 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Cato M. Hortensiae sal.

Salve Maior.

Wow. You are the first to scream obedience to the law and Romanitas and now you make excuses for avoiding compliance with the law? Do you always make that "beep"-ing noise when you back up?

"Ours quit because he was unappreciated and overworked by cives who demanded the cista just work among other matters."

That's very convenient, but also very untrue. You can ask him yourself on the Back Alley.

"our magistrates aren't paid. they have day jobs."

So what? I have a day job too. In four months they've probably had at least one or two days free; they certainly had time to berate me ad nauseam in the Senate. I was able to find both short-term *and* long-term solutions in less than an hour; surely our magistrates could have spared that much time to make sure that the law was being obeyed at some time in the past four months?

"Our consuls and the Senate had to waste an X load of time over Sulla's lawsuit and Cato's quitting. We're tired."

Why is this the first we've heard of this sudden blanket "magistrate fatigue"? You didn't have to deal with Sulla's lawsuit or my resignation issues for the past four months - nice try though. You contradict your consul who has already declared that you're all very hard at work, etc.

"Finally, I for one have research to do for the CP, organize a local meeting in Durham for the local cives, and yes, my macro work."

Excellent! Go back to them, good luck, and let those who have the responsibility for obedience to the law answer for themselves.

Vale,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62644 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
Ave,

Wait, wait wait. Flavius Vedius was dictator in less than 2 months and completely redid the near entire structure of NR.

If the consuls don't have the time, ability or determination to do what needs to be done, legally. Then either we need a new dictator - or a vote of no confidence on the consuls.

Let us not forget, our consuls have summoned the senate multiple times since the beginning of the year. If they cannot get the job done - lets see about having a vote of no confidence on them.

This cope out of being tired - is excuses. Just like the idea of a vocal minority. They have the Imperium, they have the authority. Either they act (legally) or find someone else capable of doing more than two things at once.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
> first let's remember that we dont have a webmaster. Ours quit because he was unappreciated and overworked by cives who demanded the cista just work among other matters.
>
> 2nd: our magistrates aren't paid. they have day jobs.
>
> 3rd. Our consuls and the Senate had to waste an X load of time over Sulla's lawsuit and Cato's quitting. We're tired. Frankly I've spent weeks on these issues and id have rather discussed and helped with the cista.
>
> Finally, I for one have research to do for the CP, organize a local meeting in Durham for the local cives, and yes, my macro work.
>
> valete
> Maior
>
>
> >
> > Cato omnes in foro SPD
> >
> > Salvete.
> >
> > By the way, the $2000 is for a permanent, long-term solution. For a quick-fix at $60 we could have an election tomorrow.
> >
> > If it took me less than one hour to find this out, why has it taken our
> > magistrates - the ones who are "working" on it - four months and still have no plan to proceed?
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62645 From: Maior Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: Re: CISTA
M. Hortensia G. Equitio sal;
let us discuss this in calm rational tones. This way we can have a productive discussion.

First you should understand that Romans were traditional yet pragmatic The tribunes could call the comitia to have the people vote and change laws at any time. Romans observed mos, traditional ways but also would not due to circumstances.


Now our last recent webmaster was M. Lucretius Agricola. He is a friend of mine and spoke to me of his frustrations. So much of his work is unseen and unappreciated. So let's not repeat the same mistake.

This is sheer pragmatism.

I can only speak for myself, not for the other senators about needing time and being fatigued with the trouble and time you and Sulla caused.

Since you have the time may I suggest Cato since you live in New York City that you recruit citizens. That would be a productive pragmatic good for Nova Roma.
bene vale in pacem deorum
M. Hortensia Maior

>
> Wow. You are the first to scream obedience to the law and Romanitas and now you make excuses for avoiding compliance with the law? Do you always make that "beep"-ing noise when you back up?
>
> "Ours quit because he was unappreciated and overworked by cives who demanded the cista just work among other matters."
>
> That's very convenient, but also very untrue. You can ask him yourself on the Back Alley.
>
> "our magistrates aren't paid. they have day jobs."
>
> So what? I have a day job too. In four months they've probably had at least one or two days free; they certainly had time to berate me ad nauseam in the Senate. I was able to find both short-term *and* long-term solutions in less than an hour; surely our magistrates could have spared that much time to make sure that the law was being obeyed at some time in the past four months?
>
> "Our consuls and the Senate had to waste an X load of time over Sulla's lawsuit and Cato's quitting. We're tired."
>
> Why is this the first we've heard of this sudden blanket "magistrate fatigue"? You didn't have to deal with Sulla's lawsuit or my resignation issues for the past four months - nice try though. You contradict your consul who has already declared that you're all very hard at work, etc.
>
> "Finally, I for one have research to do for the CP, organize a local meeting in Durham for the local cives, and yes, my macro work."
>
> Excellent! Go back to them, good luck, and let those who have the responsibility for obedience to the law answer for themselves.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62646 From: Chantal Gaudiano Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: America Austroccidentalis
Salvete omnes--
 
After reading a post by Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, I decided that he spoke a lot of sense, and I should follow his wisdom.
 
I live in Houston, Texas and am a resident of America Austroccidentalis.  I would like to know if there are other Houstonians, Texans, or other residents of my province who would like to converse via the America Austroccidentalis mailing list, which seems to be rather dead, at the moment.  If you live in Houston, it would be great to meet, sometime.
 
I've observed that communities of Nova Romans who have personal interaction with each other tend to be more active and do more interesting things.  I'm not sure if personal interaction is possible in Houston, yet, but I would at least like to get to know the folks in my province better.
 
Valete,
 
Paulla Corva Gaudialis
 
 
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62647 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-04
Subject: *Stone, J.R. 1996. Latin for the Illiterati, p.197.
Attachments :
    Salve L. Livia Plauta,
    In reflecting, its kind of the see a fight, jump in syndrome prevalent among us romans (its a guy thing). Anyway, I'm glad to be part of the Nova Roma community.
    Benigne dicis*,
    Ti.Marce Quadra
    P.S. Please give me your brutal honest opinion, like a type casting agent. See the attachment, my picture; do I look like any of the Roman Emperors? If yes, which one? Elaborate. TMQ

     




    From: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@gmail.com>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 3:43:04 AM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa

    Salve Ti. Marce Quadra,

    welcome to Nova Roma!
    You must have guts if all the disgruntled citizens could achieve is to make you join!
    Congratulations!

    And congratulations to S. Antonius Costa too, for being interested in doing hard work right on joining!

    Valete,
    L. Livia Plauta

    >
    > Salve Sextus Antonius Costa,
    > I am new to the Nova Roma community so please excuse my grammar, as grammar is specific in Latin though I have lots to learn. My NR name is Tiberius Marcius Quadra, and I've learned that citizens would address me TI. MARCI QUADRA.
    >
    > Like yourself, I observed the similarity with my last name with the Latin names available. Naming oneself is an important process. Addmitedly, I am OCD, so it takes me much longer than the average person to get aquainted with many things. But once I catch on, I tend to maximize my involvement. So I commend you on your desire to serve the Florida area; salute!
    >
    > I actually have been observing the Nova Romans since July 3, 2004. It took the adverse responses of some disgruntled NR citizens to provoke me to joining. I don't think I'll be vieing for office any time soon, due to my busy hectic schedule. I bid you macte! in your quest for office.
    > Optime vale!
    > Ti. Marci Quadra
    >
    >
    >
    > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@...>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:00:23 PM
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    >
    >
    > Salve Aureliane,
    >
    > Thank you once again for welcoming me as a
    > civis of AAE. I'm thrilled to find that there are others in this part
    > of the country that also enjoy taking part in discussing anything
    > Roman. I do hope look forward to helping out and taking part in any
    > activities and provincial posts that may present themselves.
    > Speaking of this, I noticed that the office of praefectus regio for
    > Florida appears as vacant. Is this still the case? If so, what
    > necessary steps would one take to apply for the position. Also, what
    > exactly does the role entail, and on a day-to-day basis?
    >
    > Optime vale! :)
    >
    > S. Anton. Costa
    >
    >
    > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ aol.com> wrote:
    >
    > Hope you will be active in the province.
    >
    > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
    > Gubenator Am. Austrorientalis
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@gmail. com>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 2:15 pm
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    >
    >
    > Salve,
    >
    > As this is my first post, I would like to introduce myself to the republic. My name is Sextus Antonius Costa and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma for about two months now. I live in the Provincia America Austrorientalis.
    > I have lived in this region all of my life although my ancestry traces it's roots to Hispania. I look forward to getting in touch with other citizens in the region and throughout the republic and engaging in all the fascinating topics that abound on all things Roman.
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    > S. Antonius Costa
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now!
    >


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62648 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: CISTA
    Salvete omnes,
     
    look who is speaking here and is closely working together , Cato and Sulla, a real nice pair. Citizens do you hear their message through the lines ?
     
    Sulla for dictator, Sulla for dictator...
     
    Forget it, never ever...
     
    Optime valete
    Titus Flavius Aquila


    Von: Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>
    An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Gesendet: Samstag, den 4. April 2009, 20:04:05 Uhr
    Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: CISTA

    Cato M. Hortensiae sal..

    Salve Maior.

    Wow. You are the first to scream obedience to the law and Romanitas and now you make excuses for avoiding compliance with the law? Do you always make that "beep"-ing noise when you back up?

    "Ours quit because he was unappreciated and overworked by cives who demanded the cista just work among other matters."

    That's very convenient, but also very untrue. You can ask him yourself on the Back Alley.

    "our magistrates aren't paid. they have day jobs."

    So what? I have a day job too. In four months they've probably had at least one or two days free; they certainly had time to berate me ad nauseam in the Senate. I was able to find both short-term *and* long-term solutions in less than an hour; surely our magistrates could have spared that much time to make sure that the law was being obeyed at some time in the past four months?

    "Our consuls and the Senate had to waste an X load of time over Sulla's lawsuit and Cato's quitting. We're tired."

    Why is this the first we've heard of this sudden blanket "magistrate fatigue"? You didn't have to deal with Sulla's lawsuit or my resignation issues for the past four months - nice try though. You contradict your consul who has already declared that you're all very hard at work, etc.

    "Finally, I for one have research to do for the CP, organize a local meeting in Durham for the local cives, and yes, my macro work."

    Excellent! Go back to them, good luck, and let those who have the responsibility for obedience to the law answer for themselves.

    Vale,

    Cato


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62649 From: vallenporter Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salve Marcus Cornelius Felix,
    >
    > your request has been noted . Thank you very much for your willingness to serve our res publia.
    >
    > Optime vale
    > Titus Flavius Aquila
    >
    >
    Salve T.F. Aquila

    you are most welcome.I am others ( I have talked with the CFO) are working on have a roman street food stall that $1.25 of each meal sold would go to Nova Roma ( I know it is not much on a cost per , but if we sell only 100 a day( this is for next summer( at a summer fest we have in my city)) for just 4 weeks. would be $3,500 for NR .
    and with the net of the rest of the price i could buy van and set up a all year food stall in downtown( we have 100's of street food stalls here) if i do 100 a day week days at $1.25 a meal going to nR thats on the order of $10,000+ a year to NR .and it would give jobs to three people in NR.
    still working on the business plan thats way what with the paperwork etc it will take till next year to do.
    but thats part of what i have planed for America Boreoccidentalis .

    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    > Von: vallenporter <magewuffa@...>
    > An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Gesendet: Freitag, den 3. April 2009, 03:05:37 Uhr
    > Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
    >
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ ...> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > and there is a request in for America Boreoccidentalis
    >
    > Marcus Cornelius Felix
    >
    > Salve collega Legatus Pro Praetore Barbatus,
    > >
    > > I have checked and you are absolutely right, you have been appointed Legatus Pro Praetore for the provincia Nova Britannia in November
    > > 2761 a.u.c.
    > >
    > > I apologize for the oversight from my side.
    > >
    > > Optime vale
    > > Titus Flavius Aquila
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > > Von: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ ...>
    > > An: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > > CC: robbjaxon@ .
    > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 2. April 2009, 15:31:05 Uhr
    > > Betreff: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae ] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
    > >
    > >
    > > Salve Barbatus,
    > >
    > > this might me my mistake. The consul had asked me to check for provinces with missing governors.
    > >
    > > I checked the official results of the senate Meeting where the Legati pro Praetores where appointed , message 62069  ,
    > > and there was no statement concerning the provincia Nova Britannia. That´s why I assumed that we are still looking for an
    > > governor for Nova Britannia .
    > >
    > > Optime vale
    > > Titus Flavius Aquila
    > >
    > >
    > > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > >
    > > Von: Robb Jackson <robbjaxon@ ..>
    > > An: NovaRomaProvinciae@ yahoogroups. com; "NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com" <NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com>; "CONVENTVS_GVBERNATO RVM@yahoogroups. com" <CONVENTVS_GVBERNATO RVM@yahoogroups. com>; "nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com" <nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com>; "Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com>; "NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com" <NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com>; "novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com" <novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com>; Senatus <SenatusRomanus@ yahoogroups. com>
    > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 2. April 2009, 14:33:52 Uhr
    > > Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae ] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
    > >
    > > Salve Consul,
    > >
    > > Was I removed from office?
    > >
    > > Vale
    > >
    > > Ti. Horatius Barbatus
    > > Legatus Pro Praetore Provinica Nova Britannia
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > > From: MCC <complutensis@ gmail.com>
    > > To: "NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com" <NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com>; "CONVENTVS_GVBERNAT ORVM@yahoogroups .com" <CONVENTVS_GVBERNAT O RVM@yahoogroups. com>; "nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com" <nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com>; "Nova-Roma@yahoogro ups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogro u ps.com>; "NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com" <NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com>; "novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com" <novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com>; "NovaRomaProvinciae @yahoogroups. com" <NovaRomaProvinciae @ yahoogroups. com>; Senatus <SenatusRomanus@ yahoogroups. com>
    > > Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 6:07:11 AM
    > > Subject: [NovaRomaProvinciae ] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
    > >
    > >
    > > M.. Curiatius Complutensis Consul civibus Novae Romae SPD  
    > >
    > > Salvete
    > >
    > > This is a call for candidate to the office of provincial governor for the following provinciae
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >  
    > > America Austroccidentalis
    > > America Boreoccidentalis 
    > > America Medioccidentalis Superior
    > > Asia Citerior
    > > Australia
    > > Britannia
    > > California
    > > Hibernia
    > > Nova Britannia
    > > Venedia
    > >  
    > > Please send your applications to M.Curiatius. Complutensis at novaroma dot org  
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62650 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa
    Hi Cato,
    Thank you. The Nova Roma site, features, and citizen entries show high regard and care. It is a pleasure to be part of this magnificent legacy, even in cyberspace. Yes, I've noticed some heated discussions. There is passion. The strength is focus on accomplishing goals on regular basis, as I've seen remarkably.
    Valete,
    Ti.Marci Quadra
     

     




    From: Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 2:33:03 AM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa

    Cato Tiberio Marcio Quadrae Sexto Antonio Costaesque SPD

    Salvete!

    And welcome to the res publica! I wish you both the very best and I hope you both find things interesting here :)

    We tend to go at each other at times, which is, itself, a very Roman thing to do!

    Valete,

    Cato

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Robin Marquardt <remarq777@. ..> wrote:
    >
    > Salve Sextus Antonius Costa,
    > I am new to the Nova Roma community so please excuse my grammar, as grammar is specific in Latin though I have lots to learn. My NR name is Tiberius Marcius Quadra, and I've learned that citizens would address me TI. MARCI QUADRA.
    >
    > Like yourself, I observed the similarity with my last name with the Latin names available. Naming oneself is an important process. Addmitedly, I am OCD, so it takes me much longer than the average person to get aquainted with many things. But once I catch on, I tend to maximize my involvement. So I commend you on your desire to serve the Florida area; salute!
    >
    > I actually have been observing the Nova Romans since July 3, 2004. It took the adverse responses of some disgruntled NR citizens to provoke me to joining. I don't think I'll be vieing for office any time soon, due to my busy hectic schedule. I bid you macte! in your quest for office.
    > Optime vale!
    > Ti. Marci Quadra
    >
    >
    >
    > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@...>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:00:23 PM
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    >
    >
    > Salve Aureliane,
    >
    > Thank you once again for welcoming me as a
    > civis of AAE. I'm thrilled to find that there are others in this part
    > of the country that also enjoy taking part in discussing anything
    > Roman. I do hope look forward to helping out and taking part in any
    > activities and provincial posts that may present themselves.
    > Speaking of this, I noticed that the office of praefectus regio for
    > Florida appears as vacant. Is this still the case? If so, what
    > necessary steps would one take to apply for the position. Also, what
    > exactly does the role entail, and on a day-to-day basis?
    >
    > Optime vale! :)
    >
    > S. Anton. Costa
    >
    >
    > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ aol.com> wrote:
    >
    > Hope you will be active in the province.
    >
    > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
    > Gubenator Am. Austrorientalis
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@gmail. com>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 2:15 pm
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    >
    >
    > Salve,
    >
    > As this is my first post, I would like to introduce myself to the republic. My name is Sextus Antonius Costa and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma for about two months now. I live in the Provincia America Austrorientalis.
    > I have lived in this region all of my life although my ancestry traces it's roots to Hispania. I look forward to getting in touch with other citizens in the region and throughout the republic and engaging in all the fascinating topics that abound on all things Roman.
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    > S. Antonius Costa
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now!
    >


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62651 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: CISTA
    Salve;

    On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Titus Flavius Aquila wrote:
    > Salvete omnes,
    > [excision]
    >
    > Sulla for dictator, Sulla for dictator...
    >
    > [excision]
    >
    > Optime valete
    > Titus Flavius Aquila
    >

    I don't think that is what he has in mind, but if you'd like to make
    the proposal to the Consuls. . .

    in felicitas - Venator =)
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62652 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: On promotional campaigns by collegia - praet. resp.
    Omnibus s.d.

    Members of this forum have asked me, as praetor, about the promotional campaign that would currently do a few of Yahoo! groups, especially some collegia composed by Nova Roma citizens or members.

    After consultation of my colleague Gn. Equitius Marinus, here is the position of both praetors.

    Such mailings, especially massive ones, sent from the « send a mail » feature offered by our Forum, are not illegal or disturbing in themselves, from the moment however their recipients cannot with reason feel disturbed or harassed by them.

    Every member of our Forum, citizen or not, may thus use this feature in this legal frame, taking, wisely as every Roman would, her/his responsibility.

    A few groups, acting inside Nova Roma environment, can be interested in such a practice, especially for developing their membership. Collegia and Sodalitates, including political parties, are a part of the life of our Republic, and are thus welcome in it, as long as they respect the common law and, for political parties, express openly.

    These groups may have their fora, which are not a part of the administration of Nova Roma, and therefore not included in the list of the public fora defined by the senatus consultum 2761-01-07 (Jan. 61, item VII). As such, these fora have a private legal nature.

    So let every one of us make her/his own idea about our various sodalitates and collegia, and the contents of their Yahoo! or other providers' lists, and if needed express inside ad libitum, as long as the - sometimes raw !- opinions that are expressed inside, stay strictly private ones, i.e. just limited to the members of such groups.


    Valete omnes,


    P. Memmius Albucius
    praetor
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62654 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: CISTA
    Cato Flavio Aquilae sal.

    Salve.

    LOL welcome to "Non Sequitur Theater"!

    This is truly one of the oddest statements I have ever heard in this Forum. Flavius, if someone you disliked explained the law of gravity would you say it didn't exist solely because you dislike them? That kind of logic is stupendously irrational.

    Make sure you put velcro on your shoes.

    Vale,

    Cato



    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salvete omnes,
    >
    > look who is speaking here and is closely working together , Cato and Sulla, a real nice pair. Citizens do you hear their message through the lines ?
    >
    > Sulla for dictator, Sulla for dictator...
    >
    > Forget it, never ever...
    >
    > Optime valete
    > Titus Flavius Aquila
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62655 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: CISTA
    Cato M. Hortensiae sal.

    Salve.

    What exactly does this have to do with getting the cista running so that we can finally obey our own law? Getting THAT done seems pretty pragmatic to me.

    Vale,

    Cato


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
    >
    > M. Hortensia G. Equitio sal;
    > let us discuss this in calm rational tones. This way we can have a productive discussion.
    >
    > First you should understand that Romans were traditional yet pragmatic The tribunes could call the comitia to have the people vote and change laws at any time. Romans observed mos, traditional ways but also would not due to circumstances.
    >
    >
    > Now our last recent webmaster was M. Lucretius Agricola. He is a friend of mine and spoke to me of his frustrations. So much of his work is unseen and unappreciated. So let's not repeat the same mistake.
    >
    > This is sheer pragmatism.
    >
    > I can only speak for myself, not for the other senators about needing time and being fatigued with the trouble and time you and Sulla caused.
    >
    > Since you have the time may I suggest Cato since you live in New York City that you recruit citizens. That would be a productive pragmatic good for Nova Roma.
    > bene vale in pacem deorum
    > M. Hortensia Maior
    >
    > >
    > > Wow. You are the first to scream obedience to the law and Romanitas and now you make excuses for avoiding compliance with the law? Do you always make that "beep"-ing noise when you back up?
    > >
    > > "Ours quit because he was unappreciated and overworked by cives who demanded the cista just work among other matters."
    > >
    > > That's very convenient, but also very untrue. You can ask him yourself on the Back Alley.
    > >
    > > "our magistrates aren't paid. they have day jobs."
    > >
    > > So what? I have a day job too. In four months they've probably had at least one or two days free; they certainly had time to berate me ad nauseam in the Senate. I was able to find both short-term *and* long-term solutions in less than an hour; surely our magistrates could have spared that much time to make sure that the law was being obeyed at some time in the past four months?
    > >
    > > "Our consuls and the Senate had to waste an X load of time over Sulla's lawsuit and Cato's quitting. We're tired."
    > >
    > > Why is this the first we've heard of this sudden blanket "magistrate fatigue"? You didn't have to deal with Sulla's lawsuit or my resignation issues for the past four months - nice try though. You contradict your consul who has already declared that you're all very hard at work, etc.
    > >
    > > "Finally, I for one have research to do for the CP, organize a local meeting in Durham for the local cives, and yes, my macro work."
    > >
    > > Excellent! Go back to them, good luck, and let those who have the responsibility for obedience to the law answer for themselves.
    > >
    > > Vale,
    > >
    > > Cato
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62656 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PRO
    Salve Marcus Cornelius Felix,
     
    an roman street food stall that sounds very interessting and promissing. I am all for your idea and wish you all support
    and success you will need and have . May Mercurius support his humble servant.
     
    If I can help you in any way, just let me know.
     
    Optime vale
    Titus Flavius Aquila


    Von: vallenporter <magewuffa@...>
    An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Gesendet: Samstag, den 4. April 2009, 22:09:26 Uhr
    Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ ...> wrote:
    >
    > Salve Marcus Cornelius Felix,
    >
    > your request has been noted . Thank you very much for your willingness to serve our res publia.
    >
    > Optime vale
    > Titus Flavius Aquila
    >
    >
    Salve T.F. Aquila

    you are most welcome.I am others ( I have talked with the CFO) are working on have a roman street food stall that $1.25 of each meal sold would go to Nova Roma ( I know it is not much on a cost per , but if we sell only 100 a day( this is for next summer( at a summer fest we have in my city)) for just 4 weeks. would be $3,500 for NR .
    and with the net of the rest of the price i could buy van and set up a all year food stall in downtown( we have 100's of street food stalls here) if i do 100 a day week days at $1.25 a meal going to nR thats on the order of $10,000+ a year to NR .and it would give jobs to three people in NR.
    still working on the business plan thats way what with the paperwork etc it will take till next year to do.
    but thats part of what i have planed for America Boreoccidentalis .

    >
    >
    > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > Von: vallenporter <magewuffa@. ..>
    > An: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Gesendet: Freitag, den 3. April 2009, 03:05:37 Uhr
    > Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae ] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
    >
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ ...> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > and there is a request in for America Boreoccidentalis
    >
    > Marcus Cornelius Felix
    >
    > Salve collega Legatus Pro Praetore Barbatus,
    > >
    > > I have checked and you are absolutely right, you have been appointed Legatus Pro Praetore for the provincia Nova Britannia in November
    > > 2761 a.u.c.
    > >
    > > I apologize for the oversight from my side.
    > >
    > > Optime vale
    > > Titus Flavius Aquila
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > > Von: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ ...>
    > > An: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > > CC: robbjaxon@ .
    > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 2. April 2009, 15:31:05 Uhr
    > > Betreff: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae ] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
    > >
    > >
    > > Salve Barbatus,
    > >
    > > this might me my mistake. The consul had asked me to check for provinces with missing governors.
    > >
    > > I checked the official results of the senate Meeting where the Legati pro Praetores where appointed , message 62069  ,
    > > and there was no statement concerning the provincia Nova Britannia. That´s why I assumed that we are still looking for an
    > > governor for Nova Britannia .
    > >
    > > Optime vale
    > > Titus Flavius Aquila
    > >
    > >
    > > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > >
    > > Von: Robb Jackson <robbjaxon@ ..>
    > > An: NovaRomaProvinciae@ yahoogroups. com; "NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com" <NRmagistrates@ yahoogroups. com>; "CONVENTVS_GVBERNAT O RVM@yahoogroups. com" <CONVENTVS_GVBERNAT O RVM@yahoogroups. com>; "nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com" <nrlatinamerica@ yahoogroups. com>; "Nova-Roma@yahoogro u ps.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogro u ps.com>; "NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com" <NovaRoma-Announce@ yahoogroups. com>; "novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com" <novaromaeurope@ yahoogroups. com>; Senatus <SenatusRomanus@ yahoogroups. com>
    > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 2. April 2009, 14:33:52 Uhr
    > > Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae ] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
    > >
    > > Salve Consul,
    > >
    > > Was I removed from office?
    > >
    > > Vale
    > >
    > > Ti. Horatius Barbatus
    > > Legatus Pro Praetore Provinica Nova Britannia
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > > From: MCC <complutensis@ gmail.com>
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    > >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62657 From: M•IVL• SEVERVS Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    M. Iul. Severus Cos. Catone Sen. omnibusque sal.
     
    It seems that you didn't trhink, even for a moment, that maybe some other persons have not the same time and schedule that you have to come to the Forum.
    I, for example, would like to know the details of your "long term solution". We should analyze and discuss it, of course, while our CIO, Senator Saturninus is devoting his time to find a solution, since that is his duty.
    He prefers to work, rather than being here, bragging and trying to provoke.
    So let's hear you, Senator Cato, since you have the answers and surely you are working even harder.
     
    Vale, et valete.
    M•IVL•SEVERVS
    CONSVL•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

    SENATOR
    CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO
    On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

    Cato magistrati in foro SPD

    Salvete.

    and...

    silence.

    Here you are presented with a *long-term* solution to a very serious problem that is well within our means to adopt, yet there is no response. Not even a question about who or where or how or what.

    Very well, then.

    Carry on, working hard.

    Valete,

    Cato



    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
    >
    > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
    >
    > Salvete.
    >
    > For two thousand dollars (US$2,000.00) we could have a completely re-written cista program within a few hours. Is this not worth spending money on?
    >
    > Valete,
    >
    > Cato
    >
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL• SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@> wrote:
    > >
    > > Severus Consul omnibusque sal.
    > >
    > > Where are the Consuls? Working. Trying to achieve the best for the Res
    > > publica, in spite of all the difficulties and the ill will propagued by a
    > > vociferous minority, dedicated to sink Nova Roma.
    > > The CIO, Senator C. Curius Saturninus, is working on a system that will
    > > allow us to have a reliable cista in order to call to the extraordinary
    > > elections.
    > > We have not surrendered nor we will surrender. We will fulfill our duties,
    > > in spite of those who would wish to see us intimidated.
    > > Our hearts are in and with the Res publica.
    > > And yes: the rule of law must prevail.
    > >
    > > Vale et valete,
    > > M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > > CONSVL•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
    > >
    > > SENATOR
    > > CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO
    > >
    >

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62658 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] *Stone, J.R. 1996. Latin for the Illiterati, p.197.
    Lentulus Marcio sal.

    (Welcome here too, but I have already welcomed you as your assigned censorial scribe!)

    You look like Vespasian! Absolutely. Or maybe Titus...


    Vale!


    --- Sab 4/4/09, Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...> ha scritto:
    Da: Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...>
    Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] *Stone, J.R. 1996. Latin for the Illiterati, p.197.
    A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Data: Sabato 4 Aprile 2009, 21:50

    Salve L. Livia Plauta,
    In reflecting, its kind of the see a fight, jump in syndrome prevalent among us romans (its a guy thing). Anyway, I'm glad to be part of the Nova Roma community.
    Benigne dicis*,
    Ti.Marce Quadra
    P.S. Please give me your brutal honest opinion, like a type casting agent. See the attachment, my picture; do I look like any of the Roman Emperors? If yes, which one? Elaborate. TMQ

     




    From: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@ gmail.com>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 3:43:04 AM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa

    Salve Ti. Marce Quadra,

    welcome to Nova Roma!
    You must have guts if all the disgruntled citizens could achieve is to make you join!
    Congratulations!

    And congratulations to S. Antonius Costa too, for being interested in doing hard work right on joining!

    Valete,
    L. Livia Plauta

    >
    > Salve Sextus Antonius Costa,
    > I am new to the Nova Roma community so please excuse my grammar, as grammar is specific in Latin though I have lots to learn. My NR name is Tiberius Marcius Quadra, and I've learned that citizens would address me TI. MARCI QUADRA.
    >
    > Like yourself, I observed the similarity with my last name with the Latin names available. Naming oneself is an important process. Addmitedly, I am OCD, so it takes me much longer than the average person to get aquainted with many things. But once I catch on, I tend to maximize my involvement. So I commend you on your desire to serve the Florida area; salute!
    >
    > I actually have been observing the Nova Romans since July 3, 2004. It took the adverse responses of some disgruntled NR citizens to provoke me to joining. I don't think I'll be vieing for office any time soon, due to my busy hectic schedule. I bid you macte! in your quest for office.
    > Optime vale!
    > Ti. Marci Quadra
    >
    >
    >
    > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@...>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:00:23 PM
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    >
    >
    > Salve Aureliane,
    >
    > Thank you once again for welcoming me as a
    > civis of AAE. I'm thrilled to find that there are others in this part
    > of the country that also enjoy taking part in discussing anything
    > Roman. I do hope look forward to helping out and taking part in any
    > activities and provincial posts that may present themselves.
    > Speaking of this, I noticed that the office of praefectus regio for
    > Florida appears as vacant. Is this still the case? If so, what
    > necessary steps would one take to apply for the position. Also, what
    > exactly does the role entail, and on a day-to-day basis?
    >
    > Optime vale! :)
    >
    > S. Anton. Costa
    >
    >
    > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ aol.com> wrote:
    >
    > Hope you will be active in the province.
    >
    > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
    > Gubenator Am. Austrorientalis
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@gmail. com>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 2:15 pm
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    >
    >
    > Salve,
    >
    > As this is my first post, I would like to introduce myself to the republic. My name is Sextus Antonius Costa and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma for about two months now. I live in the Provincia America Austrorientalis.
    > I have lived in this region all of my life although my ancestry traces it's roots to Hispania. I look forward to getting in touch with other citizens in the region and throughout the republic and engaging in all the fascinating topics that abound on all things Roman.
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    > S. Antonius Costa
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now!
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62659 From: enodia2002 Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: CISTA
    Don't be absurd. Sulla doesn't want the job any more than you want him to have it. Please don't allow your personal dislike of Sulla to distract you from the more important job of getting NR back on track.

    The Gods have given us a marvelous opportunity here. It's our job to serve them well.

    V Rutilia Enodiaria




    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salvete omnes,
    >
    > look who is speaking here and is closely working together�, Cato and Sulla, a real nice pair. Citizens do you hear their message through the lines ?
    >
    > Sulla for dictator, Sulla for dictator...
    >
    > Forget it, never ever...
    >
    > Optime valete
    > Titus Flavius Aquila

    > Cato
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62660 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: *Stone, J.R. 1996. Latin for the Illiterati, p.197.
    Salve Marci,

    to be honest I'm not expert enough in the looks of Roman Emperors to know if you look like one. I'm sure there are others on this list who have a much wider iconographical knowledge.

    Vale,
    Livia

    >
    > Salve L. Livia Plauta,
    > In reflecting, its kind of the see a fight, jump in syndrome prevalent among us romans (its a guy thing). Anyway, I'm glad to be part of the Nova Roma community.
    > Benigne dicis*,
    > Ti.Marce Quadra
    > P.S. Please give me your brutal honest opinion, like a type casting agent. See the attachment, my picture; do I look like any of the Roman Emperors? If yes, which one? Elaborate. TMQ
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    > From: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@...>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 3:43:04 AM
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa
    >
    >
    > Salve Ti. Marce Quadra,
    >
    > welcome to Nova Roma!
    > You must have guts if all the disgruntled citizens could achieve is to make you join!
    > Congratulations!
    >
    > And congratulations to S. Antonius Costa too, for being interested in doing hard work right on joining!
    >
    > Valete,
    > L. Livia Plauta
    >
    > >
    > > Salve Sextus Antonius Costa,
    > > I am new to the Nova Roma community so please excuse my grammar, as grammar is specific in Latin though I have lots to learn. My NR name is Tiberius Marcius Quadra, and I've learned that citizens would address me TI. MARCI QUADRA.
    > >
    > > Like yourself, I observed the similarity with my last name with the Latin names available. Naming oneself is an important process. Addmitedly, I am OCD, so it takes me much longer than the average person to get aquainted with many things. But once I catch on, I tend to maximize my involvement. So I commend you on your desire to serve the Florida area; salute!
    > >
    > > I actually have been observing the Nova Romans since July 3, 2004. It took the adverse responses of some disgruntled NR citizens to provoke me to joining. I don't think I'll be vieing for office any time soon, due to my busy hectic schedule. I bid you macte! in your quest for office.
    > > Optime vale!
    > > Ti. Marci Quadra
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@>
    > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:00:23 PM
    > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    > >
    > >
    > > Salve Aureliane,
    > >
    > > Thank you once again for welcoming me as a
    > > civis of AAE. I'm thrilled to find that there are others in this part
    > > of the country that also enjoy taking part in discussing anything
    > > Roman. I do hope look forward to helping out and taking part in any
    > > activities and provincial posts that may present themselves.
    > > Speaking of this, I noticed that the office of praefectus regio for
    > > Florida appears as vacant. Is this still the case? If so, what
    > > necessary steps would one take to apply for the position. Also, what
    > > exactly does the role entail, and on a day-to-day basis?
    > >
    > > Optime vale! :)
    > >
    > > S. Anton. Costa
    > >
    > >
    > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ aol.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > Hope you will be active in the province.
    > >
    > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
    > > Gubenator Am. Austrorientalis
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@gmail. com>
    > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > > Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 2:15 pm
    > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    > >
    > >
    > > Salve,
    > >
    > > As this is my first post, I would like to introduce myself to the republic. My name is Sextus Antonius Costa and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma for about two months now. I live in the Provincia America Austrorientalis.
    > > I have lived in this region all of my life although my ancestry traces it's roots to Hispania. I look forward to getting in touch with other citizens in the region and throughout the republic and engaging in all the fascinating topics that abound on all things Roman.
    > >
    > > Vale,
    > >
    > > S. Antonius Costa
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > > Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now!
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62661 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: CISTA
    Salve,
     
    LOL
     
    well I thought the 1st of April had already past , but I have to admit a nice April Fools Day joke :-)
     
    Vale bene
    Titus Flavius Aquila


    Von: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...>
    An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Gesendet: Samstag, den 4. April 2009, 22:17:40 Uhr
    Betreff: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: CISTA

    Salve;

    On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Titus Flavius Aquila wrote:
    > Salvete omnes,
    > [excision]
    >
    > Sulla for dictator, Sulla for dictator...
    >
    > [excision]
    >
    > Optime valete
    > Titus Flavius Aquila
    >

    I don't think that is what he has in mind, but if you'd like to make
    the proposal to the Consuls. . .

    in felicitas - Venator =)


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62662 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    If there is no communication from the CIO. How are We, the People of Nova Roma, supposed to know what is being done?

    Marcus Octavius says the Cista can be up and running elections tomorrow if he got 60.00 US. So, with that information readily available - exactly what is the CIO doing? How long is it going to take him to get his task done? How much is it costing Nova Roma?

    Without communication going both ways this issue is going to get worse and worse. As it creates an environment where You and your colleague are just ignoring the problem - again, ignoring the law and thusly ignoring your duties and your oaths.

    Vale,

    Sulla


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL• SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@...> wrote:
    >
    > M. Iul. Severus Cos. Catone Sen. omnibusque sal.
    >
    > It seems that you didn't trhink, even for a moment, that maybe some other
    > persons have not the same time and schedule that you have to come to the
    > Forum.
    > I, for example, would like to know the details of your "long term solution".
    > We should analyze and discuss it, of course, while our CIO, Senator
    > Saturninus is devoting his time to find a solution, since that is his duty.
    > He prefers to work, rather than being here, bragging and trying to provoke.
    > So let's hear you, Senator Cato, since you have the answers and surely you
    > are working even harder.
    >
    > Vale, et valete.
    > M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > CONSVL•NOVƕROMÆ
    >
    > SENATOR
    > CONSVL•PROVINCIƕMEXICO
    > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>wrote:
    >
    > > Cato magistrati in foro SPD
    > >
    > > Salvete.
    > >
    > > and...
    > >
    > > silence.
    > >
    > > Here you are presented with a *long-term* solution to a very serious
    > > problem that is well within our means to adopt, yet there is no response.
    > > Not even a question about who or where or how or what.
    > >
    > > Very well, then.
    > >
    > > Carry on, working hard.
    > >
    > > Valete,
    > >
    > > Cato
    > >
    > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "Gaius
    > > Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
    > > >
    > > > Salvete.
    > > >
    > > > For two thousand dollars (US$2,000.00) we could have a completely
    > > re-written cista program within a few hours. Is this not worth spending
    > > money on?
    > > >
    > > > Valete,
    > > >
    > > > Cato
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, M•IVL•
    > > SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@> wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > Severus Consul omnibusque sal.
    > > > >
    > > > > Where are the Consuls? Working. Trying to achieve the best for the Res
    > > > > publica, in spite of all the difficulties and the ill will propagued by
    > > a
    > > > > vociferous minority, dedicated to sink Nova Roma.
    > > > > The CIO, Senator C. Curius Saturninus, is working on a system that will
    > > > > allow us to have a reliable cista in order to call to the extraordinary
    > > > > elections.
    > > > > We have not surrendered nor we will surrender. We will fulfill our
    > > duties,
    > > > > in spite of those who would wish to see us intimidated.
    > > > > Our hearts are in and with the Res publica.
    > > > > And yes: the rule of law must prevail.
    > > > >
    > > > > Vale et valete,
    > > > > M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > > > > CONSVL•NOVƕROMÆ
    > > > >
    > > > > SENATOR
    > > > > CONSVL•PROVINCIƕMEXICO
    > > > >
    > > >
    > >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62663 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: CISTA
    Ave;

    On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Titus Flavius Aquila wrote:
    > Salve,
    >
    > LOL
    >
    > well I thought the 1st of April had already past , but I have to admit a
    > nice April Fools Day joke :-)
    >
    > Vale bene
    > Titus Flavius Aquila
    >

    I've always hoped that a little humor at the right moment is healthy ,-)

    in amicitia - Venii
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62665 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    Cato Iulio Severo consule sal.

    Salve consul.

    The former Marcus Octavius Gracchus can set up the cista and get it working for $60. He can make the necessary improvements to have it not so likely to collapse in the future as well. I would suggest that you contact him directly.

    Consul, please explain why agitating for us to obey our own laws is a "useless confrontation". You may not like it, and maybe it would be less burdensome for you if I were "nicer" about it, but time and time again I have found that unless something is brought right up to the faces of those responsible, little gets done. I may be considered a nasty arrogant SOB but if it gets the right thing done, so be it.

    The magister aranearius has the authority, under the leges Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum, Moravia de suffragiis in comitiis plebis tributis et ratione comitiorum plebis tributorum, etc., to see that the cista is "made available". Leges, being a higher legal authority, override any concerns you may have regarding a conflict between them and a senatus consultum.

    And all snide comments aside, I will repeat that it took me less than one (1) hour to discover that a fix was available basically immediately. That surely was a span of time that one, single, elected magistrate could have spent at some point in the past four months.

    Vale,

    Cato
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62666 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: What Are We Doing?
    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/italy/090401/who-says-rome-dead

    Links is good for excellent pictures:

    ROME - Recently, residents and tourists around the Coliseum watched in awe
    as a legion of Roman soldiers marched in unison down Rome's Imperial Avenue.

    "Caesar!" called out the commander in Latin as the legion came to a stop.
    "I, Centurion Lucius Valerius Seianus, have brought your favorite legion
    here to return the scepter of command to your hands!"

    A horn blared as the Centurion placed a large laurel crown on the pedestal
    of the statue of Julius Caesar, the great Roman general who was stabbed to
    death in the Forum 2,053 years that day - March 15, or the "Ides of March."

    As an excited crowd of tourists snapped their cameras, the legion made its
    way to the Roman Forum.

    "It's our way of exporting Rome's history without being boring," said the
    Centurion, whose real name is Giorgio Franchetti. He is president of the
    historical reenactment group, called "SPQR."

    The name is an acronym in Latin from ancient Rome, Senatus Populus Que
    Romanus - meaning the Senate and the People of Rome. With 35 active members
    of all ages, "SPQR" is one of several non-profit associations in Rome
    devoted to experimental archeology.

    "Experimental archeology means putting yourself in the shoes of ancient
    characters who can no longer tell you how they lived," Franchetti said, "to
    experience their struggles in first person."

    Members of the group are not actors. They are passionate Romans who believe
    their approach to archeology helps keep ancient Rome alive, much as Civil
    War reenactors in the U.S. discover history by portraying period characters
    and recreating scenes from another era.

    In addition to studying archeological findings, such as jewels, weapons and
    military equipment, these enthusiasts re-create an entire living environment
    by organizing Roman encampments, gladiator trainings and religious rituals.

    Their devotion to the study and practice of the Roman Empire has turned them
    into a subculture of purists.

    Last summer, when rumors circulated about an idea to build a theme park
    inspired by the Roman Empire, SPQR President Giorgio Franchetti went on
    alert. He feared the plan would provide a superficial rendition of Roman
    life with one goal in mind: making a profit.

    Last month, Rome's Vice Mayor Mauro Cutrufo officially presented a 7 billion
    euro plan (about $9.4 billion) to launch modern tourism in the Eternal City.
    The Roman theme park was among the 23 projects presented.

    "Disneyland Paris attracts 12.5 million visitors every year," Cutrufo said.
    "We want to follow that path."

    While Cutrufo promises historical accuracy and entertainment, experimental
    archeology groups believe that formula will betray the true atmosphere of
    ancient Roman life.

    Sergio Iacomoni, president of "Gruppo Storico Romano," Rome's largest
    experimental archeology club, said that the challenge for accuracy lies in
    the details. "You want Coke? There was no Coke in ancient Rome. Want a beer,
    you can't find that either. That's the whole point," he said.

    SPQR president Franchetti agreed. "In Rome, we have already vulgarized our
    culture by allowing vendors to sell cheap gadgets by our monuments," he
    said. "All we need is a Disneyland-like theme park on ancient Rome to
    complete the picture."

    Iacomoni, whose Roman alter ego is Emperor Nero, said that without a fully
    participatory and strictly realistic experience, the amusement park project
    could fail. "People know fiction all too well and they don't need another
    Hollywood-style rendition of Rome," Iacomoni said.

    While Rome is may become a more modern tourist destination under Cutrufo's
    initiative, the Roman theme park remains just an idea. The city hasn't yet
    found funding for the project. At a recent conference, management from
    Disneyland Paris said that they would not invest.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62667 From: vallenporter Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
    Salve Titus Flavius Aquila

    well one of the thing you or any one could help with is the menu.I will only be useing foods the romans had .If I post what i am cooking(say Lamb) how it is cooked(roast/grilled) and what spices are in it(cumin)what come with it ( Olives,onion,goat Cheese,bread)it would help me to know what people would buy based on whats in it.so if I posted the menu should you look over it and say what you would get if you came across it on the street at lunch time?
    anyone may reply I want into for all of NovaRoma on this. or should we take this to e-mail?

    Vale
    Marcus Cornelius Felix



    >
    > Salve Marcus Cornelius Felix,
    >
    >
    > an roman street food stall that sounds very interessting and promissing. I am all for your idea and wish you all support
    > and success you will need and have . May Mercurius support his humble servant.
    >
    > If I can help you in any way, just let me know.
    >
    > Optime vale
    > Titus Flavius Aquila
    >
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    > Von: vallenporter <magewuffa@...>
    > An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Gesendet: Samstag, den 4. April 2009, 22:09:26 Uhr
    > Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
    >
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ ...> wrote:
    > >
    > > Salve Marcus Cornelius Felix,
    > >
    > > your request has been noted . Thank you very much for your willingness to serve our res publia.
    > >
    > > Optime vale
    > > Titus Flavius Aquila
    > >
    > >
    > Salve T.F. Aquila
    >
    > you are most welcome.I am others ( I have talked with the CFO) are working on have a roman street food stall that $1.25 of each meal sold would go to Nova Roma ( I know it is not much on a cost per , but if we sell only 100 a day( this is for next summer( at a summer fest we have in my city)) for just 4 weeks. would be $3,500 for NR .
    > and with the net of the rest of the price i could buy van and set up a all year food stall in downtown( we have 100's of street food stalls here) if i do 100 a day week days at $1.25 a meal going to nR thats on the order of $10,000+ a year to NR ..and it would give jobs to three people in NR.
    > still working on the business plan thats way what with the paperwork etc it will take till next year to do.
    > but thats part of what i have planed for America Boreoccidentalis ..
    >
    > >
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62668 From: Maior Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: CISTA
    -Salvete:
    the cista is a big problem; and I think it needs to be reprogrammed as it was programmed by M. Octavius Gracchus in an unique way. I do know Cato was friends with M. Lucretius Agricola,our former webmaster, so I suggest you write or phone him and politely enquire as to what the difficulties are.

    Right now C. Curius Saturninus is our CIO, after Agricola quit. Saturninus is a graduate student in classics, has a part time job with a PR agency, is married and has a new son.

    I know Saturninus from my earliest days in NR and he is devoted to Nova Roma. Demanding that our CIO, or webmaster 'fix' something asap, isn't an answer and creates problems; that's how Agricola quit - overloaded and underappreciated. Just ask him
    M. Hortensia Maior
    >
    > Ave;
    >
    > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Titus Flavius Aquila wrote:
    > > Salve,
    > >
    > > LOL
    > >
    > > well I thought the 1st of April had already past , but I have to admit a
    > > nice April Fools Day joke :-)
    > >
    > > Vale bene
    > > Titus Flavius Aquila
    > >
    >
    > I've always hoped that a little humor at the right moment is healthy ,-)
    >
    > in amicitia - Venii
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62669 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: CISTA
    Cato M. Hortensiae sal.

    Salve.

    Maior, the cista is more than a "big problem"; it is a continual violation of our law.

    Please read what I write before wandering off into tangents that are unrelated to the issue at hand. If we can return to obeying the law in a manner consistent with our laws, as I have shown to be the case, there is simply no reason, emotional or rational, why we should not do so.

    I am "demanding" that our elected magistrates bring us into conformity with our own law. What Saturninus is doing, or Agricola, or anybody is doing in their private time is utterly unimportant in the face of our stubborn refusal to obey the law. Why do you couch things in emotional terms when they are not? Why do you think it necessary to act as if it is somehow wrong to want to obey the law? Why do you continue to defend breaking the law?

    Vale,

    Cato



    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
    >
    > -Salvete:
    > the cista is a big problem; and I think it needs to be reprogrammed as it was programmed by M. Octavius Gracchus in an unique way. I do know Cato was friends with M. Lucretius Agricola,our former webmaster, so I suggest you write or phone him and politely enquire as to what the difficulties are.
    >
    > Right now C. Curius Saturninus is our CIO, after Agricola quit. Saturninus is a graduate student in classics, has a part time job with a PR agency, is married and has a new son.
    >
    > I know Saturninus from my earliest days in NR and he is devoted to Nova Roma. Demanding that our CIO, or webmaster 'fix' something asap, isn't an answer and creates problems; that's how Agricola quit - overloaded and underappreciated. Just ask him
    > M. Hortensia Maior
    > >
    > > Ave;
    > >
    > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Titus Flavius Aquila wrote:
    > > > Salve,
    > > >
    > > > LOL
    > > >
    > > > well I thought the 1st of April had already past , but I have to admit a
    > > > nice April Fools Day joke :-)
    > > >
    > > > Vale bene
    > > > Titus Flavius Aquila
    > > >
    > >
    > > I've always hoped that a little humor at the right moment is healthy ,-)
    > >
    > > in amicitia - Venii
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62670 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Formal Resignation of Citizenship/Membership in N
    Cn. Lentulus Cn. Caelio Liviaeque et omnibus sal.


    I am also very sad of Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus leaving us. He would be a good Nova Roman, he was just not enough committed to the CAUSE that requires much patience and time from us. He wanted success. We weren't enough.

    Fair well amice Ahenobarbe!


    --- Sab 4/4/09, livia_plauta <livia.plauta@...> ha scritto:

    L. Livia Plauta omnibus sal.

    I'm sorry to see Caelius Ahenobarbus go. I didn't think he was a quitter.
    Obviously those who thought he was not reliable were right.

    >
    >
    > Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.
    >
    > By the process given in lex Cornelia et Maria de civitate eiuranda for resignation, I am posting this to this mailing list in addition to sending it directly to the censores.
    >
    > I, Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus, hereby resign my citizenship/ membership in Nova Roma. I resign from all offices.
    >
    > Nova Roma has too many problems and too few people willing to get their hands dirty to fix them. Often, when someone proposes a solution, it is not only discarded but berated. Instead of working, people "organize" and "plan" excessively. The religio is not healthy, and Latin is almost non-existent. The magistracies are ineffective and the senate holds too much power. And there is way too much bad blood and enmity between people. What needs to be realized is that Nova Roma is truly dying, and that one must not plan a complex operation, but should simply stop the bleeding and assess the situation; it is triage. If there is a way to save it, you do. If not, you let it die.
    > I have been here for one year. After doing much research into Nova Roma's problems and its history, I see the chances of anything that could resemble Nova Roma's success are slim, at best. Nova Roma is a failure, both as a non-profit organization and as a society of supposedly like-minded individuals. I am unwilling to expend any more of my time and energy here.
    >
    > Optime valete!
    >


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62671 From: Maior Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: CISTA
    Maior Catoni quiritibusque spd;
    everyone else seems to understand that we want to have elections but the cista needs reprogramming. You can write or speak with Agricola.
    Now as to the law, in ancient Rome it could change and did change and bent to pragmatism.

    The law served the needs of the people; not the other way around.

    Since you live near Columbia University, Hunter University, New York University, why not contact the classics dept's about Nova Roma or post a flyer or two.

    I intend to celebrate the feria of Bona Dea May 1, why not contact some women's organizations to spread her cultus, as the celebrations are women-only. That would be a great real life activity.
    optime vale
    Maior
    >
    > Salve.
    >
    > Maior, the cista is more than a "big problem"; it is a continual violation of our law.
    >
    > Please read what I write before wandering off into tangents that are unrelated to the issue at hand. If we can return to obeying the law in a manner consistent with our laws, as I have shown to be the case, there is simply no reason, emotional or rational, why we should not do so.
    >
    > I am "demanding" that our elected magistrates bring us into conformity with our own law. What Saturninus is doing, or Agricola, or anybody is doing in their private time is utterly unimportant in the face of our stubborn refusal to obey the law. Why do you couch things in emotional terms when they are not? Why do you think it necessary to act as if it is somehow wrong to want to obey the law? Why do you continue to defend breaking the law?
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    > Cato
    >
    >
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
    > >
    > > -Salvete:
    > > the cista is a big problem; and I think it needs to be reprogrammed as it was programmed by M. Octavius Gracchus in an unique way. I do know Cato was friends with M. Lucretius Agricola,our former webmaster, so I suggest you write or phone him and politely enquire as to what the difficulties are.
    > >
    > > Right now C. Curius Saturninus is our CIO, after Agricola quit. Saturninus is a graduate student in classics, has a part time job with a PR agency, is married and has a new son.
    > >
    > > I know Saturninus from my earliest days in NR and he is devoted to Nova Roma. Demanding that our CIO, or webmaster 'fix' something asap, isn't an answer and creates problems; that's how Agricola quit - overloaded and underappreciated. Just ask him
    > > M. Hortensia Maior
    > > >
    > > > Ave;
    > > >
    > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Titus Flavius Aquila wrote:
    > > > > Salve,
    > > > >
    > > > > LOL
    > > > >
    > > > > well I thought the 1st of April had already past , but I have to admit a
    > > > > nice April Fools Day joke :-)
    > > > >
    > > > > Vale bene
    > > > > Titus Flavius Aquila
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > I've always hoped that a little humor at the right moment is healthy ,-)
    > > >
    > > > in amicitia - Venii
    > > >
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62672 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: CISTA
    Cato Maiori sal.

    Salve.

    LOL again, nice try.

    In ancient Rome, they didn't break the law and then say "oh, yeah, sorry, we were just about to change that law."

    IUn our res publica, the law was put in place by the People but, as a corporation, we are not only bound by our own law but by the law of the United States, something with which you might want to familiarize yourself. When we break Nova Roman law, we, by definition, break US law because we have bound the two together.

    Why are you not urging the magistrates to comply with the law instead of biting at my heels? Why are you defending our continued violation of the law? Should you not instead be expending all this time encouraging our magistrates to obey the law?

    Is not breaking the law offensive to the gods? Our magistrates swore oaths to obey the law. You, the most fervent when it comes to blaring out your Romanitas and your total love and knowledge of the religio, are complicit in this violation.

    Vale,

    Cato
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62673 From: Jim Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: Re: CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, MCC <complutensis@...> wrote:
    >
    > M. Curiatius Complutensis Consul civibus Novae Romae SPD
    >
    > Salvete
    >
    > This is a call for candidate to the office of provincial governor for
    > the following provinciae
    >
    >
    >
    > America Austroccidentalis
    > <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_America_Austroccidentalis_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    >
    > America Boreoccidentalis
    > <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_America_Boreoccidentalis_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    >
    > America Medioccidentalis Superior
    > <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_America_Medioccidentalis_Superior_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    >
    > Asia Citerior
    > <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Asia_Citerior_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    > Australia <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Australia_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    > <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Brasilia_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    > Britannia <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Britannia_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    > California
    > <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_California_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    > <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Canada_Ulterior_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    > <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Dacia_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    > Hibernia
    > <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Provincia_Hibernia_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    > <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    > Nova Britannia
    > <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Nova_Britannia_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    > <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Pannonia_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    > Venedia <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Venedia_%28Nova_Roma%29>
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Please send your applications to M.Curiatius.Complutensis at novaroma
    > dot org

    Please enter my name as a candidate for governor of America Medioccidentalis Superior.
    Gratia,
    Gaius Pompeius Marcellus
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62674 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: MEGALESIA: Opening Ceremony
    Cn. Lentulus pontifex, scriba aedilicius Cn. Iuli Caesaris s. p. d.


    The Megalesia is opened in the name of Aedilis Curulis Cn. Caesar! As a pontifex, I declare the Ludi Megalenses open, and I perform this Opening Sacrifice to Magna Mater before my home altar.

    Please have a thought to the hard times of Punic wars, when Magna Mater had honored the Eternal City accepting sailing to Rome, and settling on Palatine.

    Let us honor our Magna Mater and have fun all along the Megalesia!

    Favete linguis!

    PRAEFATIO

    Magna Mater,
    te hoc ture commovendo
    bonas preces precor,
    uti sis volens propitia
    rei publicae populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    mihi, domo, familiae!

    (Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

    Magna Mater,
    uti te ture commovendo
    bonas preces precatus sum,
    eiusdem rei ergo
    macte vino inferio esto!

    (Libation of wine is made.)

    PRECATIO

    Magna Mater Deúm Idaea,
    hoc die Megalesium,
    te precor, quaesoque:
    uti pacem concordiamque
    societati Novae Romae tribuas;
    utique sis volens propitia
    rei publicae populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    mihi, domo, familiae!

    SACRIFICIUM

    Cuius rei ergo macte
    hoc lacte libando,
    esto fito volens propitia
    rei publicae populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    mihi, domo, familiae!

    (Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)

    PIACULUM

    Iane,
    Magna Mater,
    Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
    Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
    si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicuit,
    hoc vino inferio
    veniam peto
    et vitium meum expio.

    (Libation of wine is made.)


    Valete!
    MEGALESIA!!!

    Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
    PONTIFEX
    SCRIBA AEDILIS CURULIS CN. IULI CAESARIS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62675 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-04
    Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PRO
    Salve Marcus Cornelius Felix,
     
    well I am not an expert in Roman cooking, but I am quite sure that we have citizens who would be able to help
    you with this.
     
    If I understand you correctly you would like me to read your menu and have my feedback, is that so ?
     
    I am more than happy to do this, whenever you have it ready.
     
    Optime vale
    Titus Flavius Aquila


    Von: vallenporter <magewuffa@...>
    An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Gesendet: Samstag, den 4. April 2009, 23:18:29 Uhr
    Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR


    Salve Titus Flavius Aquila

    well one of the thing you or any one could help with is the menu.I will only be useing foods the romans had .If I post what i am cooking(say Lamb) how it is cooked(roast/ grilled) and what spices are in it(cumin)what come with it ( Olives,onion, goat Cheese,bread) it would help me to know what people would buy based on whats in it.so if I posted the menu should you look over it and say what you would get if you came across it on the street at lunch time?
    anyone may reply I want into for all of NovaRoma on this. or should we take this to e-mail?

    Vale
    Marcus Cornelius Felix

    >
    > Salve Marcus Cornelius Felix,
    >
    >
    > an roman street food stall that sounds very interessting and promissing. I am all for your idea and wish you all support
    > and success you will need and have . May Mercurius support his humble servant.
    >
    > If I can help you in any way,
    just let me know.
    >
    > Optime vale
    > Titus Flavius Aquila
    >
    >
    >
    > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > Von: vallenporter <magewuffa@. ..>
    > An: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Gesendet: Samstag, den 4. April 2009, 22:09:26 Uhr
    > Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NovaRomaProvinciae ] CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR PROVINCIAL GOVERNOR
    >
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ ...> wrote:
    > >
    > > Salve Marcus Cornelius Felix,
    > >
    > > your request has been noted . Thank you very much for your willingness to serve our res publia.
    > >
    > > Optime vale
    > > Titus Flavius Aquila
    > >
    > >
    > Salve T.F. Aquila
    >
    > you are most
    welcome.I am others ( I have talked with the CFO) are working on have a roman street food stall that $1.25 of each meal sold would go to Nova Roma ( I know it is not much on a cost per , but if we sell only 100 a day( this is for next summer( at a summer fest we have in my city)) for just 4 weeks. would be $3,500 for NR .
    > and with the net of the rest of the price i could buy van and set up a all year food stall in downtown( we have 100's of street food stalls here) if i do 100 a day week days at $1.25 a meal going to nR thats on the order of $10,000+ a year to NR ..and it would give jobs to three people in NR.
    > still working on the business plan thats way what with the paperwork etc it will take till next year to do.
    > but thats part of what i have planed for America Boreoccidentalis ..
    >
    > >
    > >
    >


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62676 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: NONAE APRILIAE: Fortuna Publica; Claudia Quinta
    M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus sitis

    Hodie est Nonae Apriliae; haec dies nefastus est: Fortunae Publicae; Ludi Megalesiaci. Hoc biduo sacrificium maximum Fortunae Primigeniae utro eorum die oraculum patet, II viri vitulum L.

    When the stars have vanished, and the Moon unyokes
    Her snowy horses, and the next dawn shines in the sky,
    He'll speak true who says: On this day long ago
    The temple of Public Fortune was dedicated on the Quirinal.
    ~ Publius Ovidius Naso, Fasti 4.373-376


    Fortuna Primigenia at Praeneste

    Ovid refers to the dedication day of a Temple of Fortuna Publica, one of three temples on the Quirinal that were dedicated to this Goddess.

    Today is also noted on the fasti Praenestini as a day when the oracle of Fortuna Primigenia was opened. Her oracle at Praeneste was the foremost of Italy. For the oracle, lots were mixed in a cista filled with water. In response to inquiries a youth was selected to draw lots (Cicero, De Divinatione 2.86). Such is depicted on a third century bronze cista where a youth hands a lot to a figure in a toga. Young children, having reborn geniuses, are considered to be closer to the Gods than adults, and thus children were often used in drawing lots and in other forms of divination as mediators between the divine and mortals (Tibullus 1.3.10-12). Praeneste was a nearby Latin city of prominence, and yet it was still regarded a foreign city in 242/241 BCE:

    "Lutatius Cerco, who ended the First Punic War, was prohibited by the Senate from consulting the lots of Fortuna at Praeneste. For they judged it right that the State be administered with ancestral auspices, not foreign ones." ~ Valerius Maximus 1.3.2

    Lutatius Catullus, consul of 242, ended the First Punic War. His brother, Lutatius Cerco was consul in the following year and handled negotiations of the peace treaty. It was less than an hundred years at that time since Rome had defeated the Latin League and gained complete hegemony over the Latins. Fortuna Primigenia at Praeneste became more integrated into Roman practice by the Late Republic.


    Claudia Quinta

    Yesterday, in telling of the arrival of the Magna Mater to Rome, Livy mentioned Claudia Quinta as a particularly virtuous woman among the matrons of the City. Just as Scipio Nasica was said to have been chosen as the most noble man of Rome, worthy to receive the Goddess, in Livy Claudia Quinta seems to have been thought the most noble of patrician matrons. Earlier than Livy, Cicero, addressing his remarks to Clodius, wrote:

    "Formerly, then, by the advice of this prophetess, when Italy was wearied by the Punic war and harassed by Hannibal, our ancestors imported that sacred image and those sacred rites from Phrygia, and established them at Rome, where they were received by that man who was adjudged to be the most virtuous of all the Roman people, Publius Scipio Nasica, and by the woman who was considered the chastest of the matrons, Quinta Claudia; the old-fashioned strictness of whose sacrifice on that occasion your sister is considered to have imitated in a wonderful manner." ~ M. Tullius Cicero, De Haruspicum Responsis 27

    Then in April 56 BCE, Cicero, while defending Caelius, attacked Clodia (made famous by Catullus) by contrasting her with Claudia Quinta who he holds up as an example of "the womanly glory of domestic praise (pro Caelio 14.34)." With Cicero, as with Livy later, Claudia Quinta was noted as the most chaste matron and one most worthy to receive the image of the Goddess. Shortly after Livy wrote Ovid tells a very different story as it was revealed in the scaena testificata, or sacred drama of the Ludi Megalesia.

    "For a long time there'd been a drought: the grass was dry and scorched: the boat stuck fast in the muddy shallows. Every man, hauling, laboured beyond his strength, and encouraged their toiling hands with his cries. Yet the ship lodged there, like an island fixed in mid-ocean: and astonished at the portent, men stood and quaked. Claudia Quinta traced her descent from noble Clausus, and her beauty was in no way unequal to her nobility: She was chaste, but not believed so: hostile rumour Had wounded her, false charges were levelled at her: her elegance, promenading around in various hairstyles, and her ready tongue, with stiff old men, counted against her. Conscious of virtue, she laughed at the rumoured lies,
    But we're always ready to credit others with faults. Now, when she'd stepped from the line of chaste women, taking pure river water in her hands, she wetted her head three times, three times lifted her palms to the sky, while everyone watching her thought she'd lost her mind, and then, kneeling, fixed her eyes on the Goddess's statue, and, with loosened hair, uttered these words: 'Kind and fruitful Mother of the Gods, accept a suppliant's prayers, on this one condition: They deny I'm chaste: let me be guilty if You condemn me: convicted by a Goddess I'll pay for it with my life. But if I'm free of guilt, grant a pledge of my innocence by Your action: and, chaste, give way to my chaste hands.' She spoke: then gave a slight pull at the rope, a wonder, but the sacred drama attests what I say, the Goddess stirred, followed, and, following, approved her:
    witness the sound of jubilation carried to the stars." ~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 4.299-328

    This story about Claudia Quinta may have been given greater prominence in the years that followed when Emperor Claudius reorganized the cultus Matri Deum, established the dendroforii, and more. However, already at some time before 111 BCE a statue of Claudia Quinta was erected in the vestibule of the Palatine Temple of Magna Mater. In that year, and again in 3 CE, the temple burnt to the ground but the statue of Claudia Quinta remained miraculously undamaged (Val. Max. 1.8.11).

    "This, it was said, had formerly happened to Claudia Quinta; her statue which had twice escaped the violence of fire, had been dedicated by our ancestors in the Temple of Magna Mater Deorum, hence the Claudii had been accounted sacred and numbered among the Gods." ~ P. Cornelius Tacitus, Annales 4.64.4

    These fires, and what was taken to have been a miracle that the statue of Claudia Quinta should survive, led to tfurther embellishment of her story. In the first century version by Silius Italicus, Scipio Nasica enjoins the crowd to tow the ship of Magna Mater to Rome by first warning them:

    "Spare your guilty palms from touching these ropes. Away from here, I warn you, go far away from hence, whosoever among you is unchaste, do not share in this sacred task."

    It was then that Claudia Quinta, a matron falsely accused of being unchaste, picked up the tow-rope alone and prayed:

    "O Great Mother of the Heavenly Host, Genetrix of all the divine powers, whose children cast lots to see who should rule over land, and seas, and the stars, and the nether world of the Manes, if without violation my body is free of all unchaste crimes, may You be my witness, dear Goddess, and testify on my behalf of my innocence by the ease with which I now draw this vessel." ~ Ti. Catius Asconius Silius Italicus, Punica 17.27-29; 35-40

    With P. Papinius Statius, also in the first century, Claudia Quinta is a 'virgo' rather than a matron, but not a Vestal (Silvae 1.2.245-246). By the third century Claudia Quinta was made over into a Vestal Virgin who had been accused of being unchaste and thus condemned to be buried alive. "She took off her sash and threw it onto the prow of the ship with a prayer that, if she were still an innocent virgin the ship would respond to her. The ship readily followed, attached to the sash. The Romans were astounded, both by the manifestation of the Goddess and by the sanctity of the Virgin (Herodian, Historia 1.11)."

    Here Claudia Quinta would seem to have been confused with either of two Vestales Claudiae. The more famous Vestal Claudia interposed her sacrosanct person into her father's chariot to prevent a tribune of the plebs from denying him his triumph in 143 BCE (Val. Max. 5.4.6; Livy, Perioche 53; Cicero, pro Caelio 14.34). The other Claudia, if not a Vestal was noted as a virgin nevertheless, dedicated the Aventine Temple of the Bona Dea (Ovid, Fasti 5.155-158). [Cicero instead identified her as Vestal Licinia, daughter of a tribune of 145 BCE (De Domo 136).] But the story of a Vestal Virgin Claudia Quinta would seem to have been modeled more after that of Vestal Virgin Tuccia who famously proved her innocence by carrying water in a sieve from the Tiber to the Temple of Vesta [Val. Max. 8.1.5 (absol)]. The story of Claudia Quinta and how it evolved over the years is an example of how a tradition like the religio Romana tends to eveolve over time.

    http://dictynna.revue.univ-lille3.fr/1Articles/4Articlespdf/Winsor.pdf


    Thought of the day from Epictetus, Enchiridion 12

    "If you would improve, lay aside such reasonings as these: "If I neglect my affairs, I shall not have a maintenance; if I do not punish my servant, he will be good for nothing." For it were better to die of hunger, exempt from grief and fear, than to live in affluence with perturbation; and it is better that your servant should be bad than you unhappy.

    "Begin therefore with little things. Is a little oil spilt or a little wine stolen? Say to yourself, "This is the price paid for peace and tranquility; and nothing is to be had for nothing." And when you call your servant, consider that it is possible he may not come at your call; or, if he does, that he may not do what you wish. But it is not at all desirable for him, and very undesirable for you, that it should be in his power to cause you any disturbance."
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62677 From: irinasergia Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: What Are We Doing?


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola" <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
    >
    > http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/italy/090401/who-says-rome-dead
    >
    > Links is good for excellent pictures:
    >
    > ROME - Recently, residents and tourists around the Coliseum watched in awe
    > as a legion of Roman soldiers marched in unison down Rome's Imperial Avenue.
    >
    > "Caesar!" called out the commander in Latin as the legion came to a stop.
    > "I, Centurion Lucius Valerius Seianus, have brought your favorite legion
    > here to return the scepter of command to your hands!"
    >
    > A horn blared as the Centurion placed a large laurel crown on the pedestal
    > of the statue of Julius Caesar, the great Roman general who was stabbed to
    > death in the Forum 2,053 years that day - March 15, or the "Ides of March."
    >
    > As an excited crowd of tourists snapped their cameras, the legion made its
    > way to the Roman Forum.
    >
    > "It's our way of exporting Rome's history without being boring," said the
    > Centurion, whose real name is Giorgio Franchetti. He is president of the
    > historical reenactment group, called "SPQR."
    >
    > The name is an acronym in Latin from ancient Rome, Senatus Populus Que
    > Romanus - meaning the Senate and the People of Rome. With 35 active members
    > of all ages, "SPQR" is one of several non-profit associations in Rome
    > devoted to experimental archeology.
    >
    > "Experimental archeology means putting yourself in the shoes of ancient
    > characters who can no longer tell you how they lived," Franchetti said, "to
    > experience their struggles in first person."
    >
    > Members of the group are not actors. They are passionate Romans who believe
    > their approach to archeology helps keep ancient Rome alive, much as Civil
    > War reenactors in the U.S. discover history by portraying period characters
    > and recreating scenes from another era.
    >
    > In addition to studying archeological findings, such as jewels, weapons and
    > military equipment, these enthusiasts re-create an entire living environment
    > by organizing Roman encampments, gladiator trainings and religious rituals.
    >
    > Their devotion to the study and practice of the Roman Empire has turned them
    > into a subculture of purists.
    >
    > Last summer, when rumors circulated about an idea to build a theme park
    > inspired by the Roman Empire, SPQR President Giorgio Franchetti went on
    > alert. He feared the plan would provide a superficial rendition of Roman
    > life with one goal in mind: making a profit.
    >
    > Last month, Rome's Vice Mayor Mauro Cutrufo officially presented a 7 billion
    > euro plan (about $9.4 billion) to launch modern tourism in the Eternal City.
    > The Roman theme park was among the 23 projects presented.
    >
    > "Disneyland Paris attracts 12.5 million visitors every year," Cutrufo said.
    > "We want to follow that path."
    >
    > While Cutrufo promises historical accuracy and entertainment, experimental
    > archeology groups believe that formula will betray the true atmosphere of
    > ancient Roman life.
    >
    > Sergio Iacomoni, president of "Gruppo Storico Romano," Rome's largest
    > experimental archeology club, said that the challenge for accuracy lies in
    > the details. "You want Coke? There was no Coke in ancient Rome. Want a beer,
    > you can't find that either. That's the whole point," he said.
    >
    > SPQR president Franchetti agreed. "In Rome, we have already vulgarized our
    > culture by allowing vendors to sell cheap gadgets by our monuments," he
    > said. "All we need is a Disneyland-like theme park on ancient Rome to
    > complete the picture."
    >
    > Iacomoni, whose Roman alter ego is Emperor Nero, said that without a fully
    > participatory and strictly realistic experience, the amusement park project
    > could fail. "People know fiction all too well and they don't need another
    > Hollywood-style rendition of Rome," Iacomoni said.
    >
    > While Rome is may become a more modern tourist destination under Cutrufo's
    > initiative, the Roman theme park remains just an idea. The city hasn't yet
    > found funding for the project. At a recent conference, management from
    > Disneyland Paris said that they would not invest.
    >

     

    Salve !

    Beautiful pictures indeed!

    Good to see other passionates in the Ancient Roman times.

    Vale!

    Quinta Sergia Alba

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62678 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: MEGALESIA: Opening Ceremony
    SALVETE!

    Thank you, pontifex Cornelius Lentulus for the ritual.

    In addition I want to say that in parallel I performed before of my home altar a Sacrifice to Magna Mater.
    Four years ago, Megalesia was dedicated to the new created province of Dacia.

    The text of the ritual is simpler than what our pontifex Lentulus presented. If someone is interested, I will send it.

    VALETE,
    T. Iulius Sabinus


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Cn. Lentulus pontifex, scriba aedilicius Cn. Iuli Caesaris s. p. d.
    >
    >
    > The Megalesia is opened in the name of Aedilis Curulis Cn. Caesar! As a pontifex, I declare the Ludi Megalenses open, and I perform this Opening Sacrifice to Magna Mater before my home altar.
    >
    > Please have a thought to the hard times of Punic wars, when Magna Mater had honored the Eternal City accepting sailing to Rome, and settling on Palatine.
    >
    > Let us honor our Magna Mater and have fun all along the Megalesia!
    >
    > Favete linguis!
    >
    > PRAEFATIO
    >
    > Magna Mater,
    > te hoc ture commovendo
    > bonas preces precor,
    > uti sis volens propitia
    > rei publicae populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    > mihi, domo, familiae!
    >
    > (Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)
    >
    > Magna Mater,
    > uti te ture commovendo
    > bonas preces precatus sum,
    > eiusdem rei ergo
    > macte vino inferio esto!
    >
    > (Libation of wine is made.)
    >
    > PRECATIO
    >
    > Magna Mater Deúm Idaea,
    > hoc die Megalesium,
    > te precor, quaesoque:
    > uti pacem concordiamque
    > societati Novae Romae tribuas;
    > utique sis volens propitia
    > rei publicae populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    > mihi, domo, familiae!
    >
    > SACRIFICIUM
    >
    > Cuius rei ergo macte
    > hoc lacte libando,
    > esto fito volens propitia
    > rei publicae populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    > mihi, domo, familiae!
    >
    > (Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)
    >
    > PIACULUM
    >
    > Iane,
    > Magna Mater,
    > Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
    > Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
    > si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicuit,
    > hoc vino inferio
    > veniam peto
    > et vitium meum expio.
    >
    > (Libation of wine is made.)
    >
    >
    > Valete!
    > MEGALESIA!!!
    >
    > Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
    > PONTIFEX
    > SCRIBA AEDILIS CURULIS CN. IULI CAESARIS
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62679 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    The CIO is probably not reading this drivel here on the ML because he is too busy volunteering his time, energy and skills actually solving problems to deal with ill-informed halfwits.


    MLA

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > If there is no communication from the CIO. How are We, the People of Nova Roma, supposed to know what is being done?
    >
    > Marcus Octavius says the Cista can be up and running elections tomorrow if he got 60.00 US. So, with that information readily available - exactly what is the CIO doing? How long is it going to take him to get his task done? How much is it costing Nova Roma?
    >
    > Without communication going both ways this issue is going to get worse and worse. As it creates an environment where You and your colleague are just ignoring the problem - again, ignoring the law and thusly ignoring your duties and your oaths.
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    > Sulla
    >
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL• SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@> wrote:
    > >
    > > M. Iul. Severus Cos. Catone Sen. omnibusque sal.
    > >
    > > It seems that you didn't trhink, even for a moment, that maybe some other
    > > persons have not the same time and schedule that you have to come to the
    > > Forum.
    > > I, for example, would like to know the details of your "long term solution".
    > > We should analyze and discuss it, of course, while our CIO, Senator
    > > Saturninus is devoting his time to find a solution, since that is his duty.
    > > He prefers to work, rather than being here, bragging and trying to provoke.
    > > So let's hear you, Senator Cato, since you have the answers and surely you
    > > are working even harder.
    > >
    > > Vale, et valete.
    > > M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > > CONSVL•NOVƕROMÆ
    > >
    > > SENATOR
    > > CONSVL•PROVINCIƕMEXICO
    > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@>wrote:
    > >
    > > > Cato magistrati in foro SPD
    > > >
    > > > Salvete.
    > > >
    > > > and...
    > > >
    > > > silence.
    > > >
    > > > Here you are presented with a *long-term* solution to a very serious
    > > > problem that is well within our means to adopt, yet there is no response.
    > > > Not even a question about who or where or how or what.
    > > >
    > > > Very well, then.
    > > >
    > > > Carry on, working hard.
    > > >
    > > > Valete,
    > > >
    > > > Cato
    > > >
    > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "Gaius
    > > > Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
    > > > >
    > > > > Salvete.
    > > > >
    > > > > For two thousand dollars (US$2,000.00) we could have a completely
    > > > re-written cista program within a few hours. Is this not worth spending
    > > > money on?
    > > > >
    > > > > Valete,
    > > > >
    > > > > Cato
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, M•IVL•
    > > > SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@> wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Severus Consul omnibusque sal.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Where are the Consuls? Working. Trying to achieve the best for the Res
    > > > > > publica, in spite of all the difficulties and the ill will propagued by
    > > > a
    > > > > > vociferous minority, dedicated to sink Nova Roma.
    > > > > > The CIO, Senator C. Curius Saturninus, is working on a system that will
    > > > > > allow us to have a reliable cista in order to call to the extraordinary
    > > > > > elections.
    > > > > > We have not surrendered nor we will surrender. We will fulfill our
    > > > duties,
    > > > > > in spite of those who would wish to see us intimidated.
    > > > > > Our hearts are in and with the Res publica.
    > > > > > And yes: the rule of law must prevail.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Vale et valete,
    > > > > > M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > > > > > CONSVL•NOVƕROMÆ
    > > > > >
    > > > > > SENATOR
    > > > > > CONSVL•PROVINCIƕMEXICO
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62680 From: irinasergia Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: MEGALESIA: Opening Ceremony


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
    >
    > SALVETE!
    >
    > Thank you, pontifex Cornelius Lentulus for the ritual.
    >
    > In addition I want to say that in parallel I performed before of my home altar a Sacrifice to Magna Mater.
    > Four years ago, Megalesia was dedicated to the new created province of Dacia.
    >
    > The text of the ritual is simpler than what our pontifex Lentulus presented. If someone is interested, I will send it.
    >
    > VALETE,
    > T. Iulius Sabinus
    >
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" cn_corn_lent@ wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > Cn. Lentulus pontifex, scriba aedilicius Cn. Iuli Caesaris s. p. d.
    > >
    > >
    > > The Megalesia is opened in the name of Aedilis Curulis Cn. Caesar! As a pontifex, I declare the Ludi Megalenses open, and I perform this Opening Sacrifice to Magna Mater before my home altar.
    > >
    > > Please have a thought to the hard times of Punic wars, when Magna Mater had honored the Eternal City accepting sailing to Rome, and settling on Palatine.
    > >
    > > Let us honor our Magna Mater and have fun all along the Megalesia!
    > >
    > > Favete linguis!
    > >
    > > PRAEFATIO
    > >
    > > Magna Mater,
    > > te hoc ture commovendo
    > > bonas preces precor,
    > > uti sis volens propitia
    > > rei publicae populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    > > mihi, domo, familiae!
    > >
    > > (Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)
    > >
    > > Magna Mater,
    > > uti te ture commovendo
    > > bonas preces precatus sum,
    > > eiusdem rei ergo
    > > macte vino inferio esto!
    > >
    > > (Libation of wine is made.)
    > >
    > > PRECATIO
    > >
    > > Magna Mater Deúm Idaea,
    > > hoc die Megalesium,
    > > te precor, quaesoque:
    > > uti pacem concordiamque
    > > societati Novae Romae tribuas;
    > > utique sis volens propitia
    > > rei publicae populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    > > mihi, domo, familiae!
    > >
    > > SACRIFICIUM
    > >
    > > Cuius rei ergo macte
    > > hoc lacte libando,
    > > esto fito volens propitia
    > > rei publicae populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    > > mihi, domo, familiae!
    > >
    > > (Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)
    > >
    > > PIACULUM
    > >
    > > Iane,
    > > Magna Mater,
    > > Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
    > > Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
    > > si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicuit,
    > > hoc vino inferio
    > > veniam peto
    > > et vitium meum expio.
    > >
    > > (Libation of wine is made.)
    > >
    > >
    > > Valete!
    > > MEGALESIA!!!
    > >
    > > Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
    > > PONTIFEX
    > > SCRIBA AEDILIS CURULIS CN. IULI CAESARIS
    > >
    >

     

    Salvete!

    As I've read and I'm going to keep and use the text of the ritual performed by pontifex Cornelius Lentulus, I would also like to have the other one, performed by praetor Titus Iulius Sabinus, if possible.

    Gratias maximas!

    Valete!

    Quinta Sergia Alba


     

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62681 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    Cato Lucretio Agricolae sal.

    Salve.

    Agricole, although I do not doubt that you are speaking exactly what you are thinking, it is not good enough to simply dismiss complaints because you either don't like the tone or you have expertise in the matter being discussed that others don't.

    That is precisely the problem: we have been without a cista for four months. We have had no simple explanation as to why. We are in violation of the law - both ours and the US'. No-one can (or more importantly, has taken the time to) explain why, if we have the technical people available who can fix it immediately, we are not doing so, and have not done so for four months.

    Any other "real-life" corporation that had to wait four months to have an IT problem like this corrected would have fired their IT people. The difference is that we, by not having had this item corrected, are breaking the law. The tone in which this discussion is being held is the fault of those who allowed us to fall out of compliance with the law, not those who wish we could do something correctly.

    It's that simple.

    Yet once again, when people demand - yes, demand, as it is not a fun-and-games issue but a legal one - that we do something to make ourselves compliant with the law, the responses are all self-righteousness and dismissal.

    Vale,

    Cato


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@...> wrote:
    >
    > The CIO is probably not reading this drivel here on the ML because he is too busy volunteering his time, energy and skills actually solving problems to deal with ill-informed halfwits.
    >
    >
    > MLA
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62682 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: MEGALESIA: Opening Ceremony
    SALVE!

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "irinasergia" <irinasergia@...> wrote:

    > As I've read and I'm going to keep and use the text of the ritual
    > performed by pontifex Cornelius Lentulus, I would also like to have the other one, performed by praetor Titus Iulius Sabinus, if possible.
    > Gratias maximas!>>>

    Sure, with pleasure. It is already posted in the Dacia list for the benefit of all our co-fellows.

    VALE BENE,
    T. Iulius Sabinus
    Pontifex.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62683 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Palm Sunday
    Cato omnibus in foro SPD

    Salvete.

    "Et cum adpropinquassent Hierosolymis et venissent Bethfage ad montem
    Oliveti tunc Iesus misit duos discipulos dicens eis ite in castellum
    quod contra vos est et statim invenietis asinam alligatam et pullum
    cum ea solvite et adducite mihi et si quis vobis aliquid dixerit
    dicite quia Dominus his opus habet et confestim dimittet eos hoc autem
    factum est ut impleretur quod dictum est per prophetam dicentem
    dicite filiae Sion ecce rex tuus venit tibi mansuetus et sedens super
    asinam et pullum filium subiugalis euntes autem discipuli fecerunt
    sicut praecepit illis Iesus et adduxerunt asinam et pullum et
    inposuerunt super eis vestimenta sua et eum desuper sedere fecerunt
    plurima autem turba straverunt vestimenta sua in via alii autem
    caedebant ramos de arboribus et sternebant in via turbae autem quae
    praecedebant et quae sequebantur clamabant dicentes 'Osanna Filio David benedictus qui venturus est in nomine Domini osanna in altissimis' et cum intrasset Hierosolymam commota est universa civitas dicens quis est hic populi autem dicebant hic est Iesus propheta a Nazareth Galilaeae et intravit Iesus in templum Dei et eiciebat omnes vendentes et ementes in templo et mensas nummulariorum et cathedras vendentium columbas evertit et dicit eis scriptum est domus mea domus orationis vocabitur vos autem fecistis eam speluncam latronum et accesserunt ad eum caeci et claudi in templo et sanavit eos videntes autem principes sacerdotum et scribae mirabilia quae fecit et pueros clamantes in templo et dicentes 'Osanna Filio David' indignati sunt et dixerunt ei audis quid isti dicant Iesus autem dicit eis utique numquam legistis quia ex ore infantium et lactantium perfecisti laudem." - Evangelium dominum nostrum Iesum Christum secundum Matthaium XXI:i-xvii

    To those of our citizens celebrating the beginning of the Christian Holy Week, I wish all the blessings of the season.

    Valete,

    Cato
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62684 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Ludi Megalenses: Certamen Historicum - Day 1
    Cn. Iulius Caesar aedilis curulis, omnibus Quiritibus sal.
     
    Welcome to the Magna Mater Certamen Historicum. I will be posting 50 questions between April 5th and April 9th, at the rate of 10 per day. The contest will be concluded and the Ludi Megalenses closed on April 10th. I will accept answers to all questions, previous days included, daily. I will not post answers to questions on the following day, but will announce all the results on April 10th.
     
    Good luck to all contestants!
     
    Optime valete
     
    Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
    Aedilis Curulis
    Senator
    Legatus pro praetore Canada Ulterioris
     
     
    RULES:
     
    1. Each correct answer is worth 1 point. An extra point may be awarded for an especially detailed and excellent answer.
    2. Answers are to be sent to my e-mail address ( 
    gn_iulius_caesar@... ) before 12.01 am MT - Mountain Time (GMT -7hrs / CET -8hrs) April 10th.
    3. My decision is final in interpreting what is and what isn't a correct answer.
     
     
    QUESTIONS - DAY 1 (April 5th)
     

    1. An ugly grandson of Zeus was famous for what in respect of Cybele?

     

    2. What was the name of this grandson?

     

    3. A carving of Cybele has been confused with a natural rock formation associated with an Anatolian princess. What was her name?

     

    4. The author of a “Description of Greece” mentioned this princess. What was the name of this author?

     

    5. The sculptor who carved a monumental gateway to the Acropolis in Athens had a pupil who became famous for carving an image of Cybele. What was the name of this pupil?

     

    6. In the carving the pupil made what does CybeleÂ’s hand rest on?

     

    7. A Roman consul with a pointed nose had a connection with Cybele. What was his full name?

     

    8. The former Greek colony of Dicaearchia saw the first advent of a practice in relation to Cybele. What was this practice?

     

    9. Ardea was the capital city of a tribe that had a connection in legend to an event concerning Cybele. What was that event?

     

    10. What is the connection between the defeat of the German tribes in 102 BCE and Cybele?
     
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62685 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Ludi Megalenses: Certamen Historicum - Day 1
    Cn. Iulius Caesar aedilis curulis, omnibus Quiritibus sal.

    As it appears that my text has been changed to green :) for those with monitor resolution problems, or just a dislike of green type (understandable) I will try again to battle Yahoo and render the questions in black.

    Optime valete

    Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
    Aedilis Curulis
    Senator
    Legatus pro praetore Canada Ulterioris


    QUESTIONS - DAY 1 (April 5th)

    1. An ugly grandson of Zeus was famous for what in respect of Cybele?

    2. What was the name of this grandson?

    3. A carving of Cybele has been confused with a natural rock formation associated with an Anatolian princess. What was her name?

    4. The author of a "Description of Greece" mentioned this princess. What was the name of this author?

    5. The sculptor who carved a monumental gateway to the Acropolis in Athens had a pupil who became famous for carving an image of Cybele. What was the name of this pupil?

    6. In the carving the pupil made what does Cybele's hand rest on?

    7. A Roman consul with a pointed nose had a conenction with Cybele. What was his full name?

    8. The former Greek colony of Dicaearchia saw the first advent of a practise in relation to Cybele. What was this practise?

    9. Ardea was the capital city of a tribe that had a connection in legend to an event concerning Cybele. What was that event?

    10. What is the connection between the defeat of the German tribes in 102 BCE and Cybele?
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62686 From: M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    Salve

    I have not received any budget from Octavius Gracchus. This offer how was made? No magistrate has received the formal offer of Octavius Gracchus.

    The least that one expect from any professional is a budget sent to  his potential customer.

    As this is not the case I suppose that everything will have been the result of a conversation between friends in a bar.

    Vale

    M.CUR.COMPLUTENSIS
    Consul




    The former Marcus Octavius Gracchus can set up the cista and get it working for $60. He can make the necessary improvements to have it not so likely to collapse in the future as well. I would suggest that you contact him directly.





    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62687 From: c.aqvillivs_rota Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: America Austroccidentalis
    Salve Omnes,
    This is an official Press Release of Aquillius Rota proud member of NR and in the name of the C.R. Ltd. Co.



    I have great News
    from the Province of America Austrorientalis
    for all citizens
    of our Republic!

    The opening of the first Roman Event Bistro Inn
    on the Continent!

    Roman Life and Culture - Located in lovely South Carolina

    COMING SOON
    Just days away



    For Questions and Information please contact
    C.AQVILLIVS_ROTA@...






    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Chantal Gaudiano <aerdensrw@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salvete omnes--
    >  
    > After reading a post by Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, I decided that he spoke a lot of sense, and I should follow his wisdom.
    >  
    > I live in Houston, Texas and am a resident of America Austroccidentalis.  I would like to know if there are other Houstonians, Texans, or other residents of my province who would like to converse via the America Austroccidentalis mailing list, which seems to be rather dead, at the moment.  If you live in Houston, it would be great to meet, sometime.
    >  
    > I've observed that communities of Nova Romans who have personal interaction with each other tend to be more active and do more interesting things.  I'm not sure if personal interaction is possible in Houston, yet, but I would at least like to get to know the folks in my province better.
    >  
    > Valete,
    >  
    > Paulla Corva Gaudialis
    >  
    >  
    >  
    >  
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62688 From: c.aqvillivs_rota Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: NR Priest/s and Soldiers wanted

    Salvete Omnes,

    I am currently looking for a NR Priest/s and or Priest/esses as well as soldiers for the performance of a Roman ritual here in South Carolina!

     

    Who is interested or can help out?

    Please respond to my e-mail C.Aqvillivs_Rota@...

    Optime vale

    C.AQVILLIVS ROTA

     

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62689 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    Q. Poplicola M. Complutensi consuli spd.

    If you reach out to Octavius Gracchus, I am sure he will respond with the
    figures.

    bene vale.

    --------------------------------------------------
    From: "M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS" <complutensis@...>
    Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:41 PM
    To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus

    > Salve
    >
    > I have not received any budget from Octavius Gracchus. This offer how
    > was made? No magistrate has received the formal offer of Octavius
    > Gracchus.
    >
    > The least that one expect from any professional is a budget sent to his
    > potential customer.
    >
    > As this is not the case I suppose that everything will have been the
    > result of a conversation between friends in a bar.
    >
    > Vale
    >
    > M.CUR.COMPLUTENSIS
    > Consul
    >
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> The former Marcus Octavius Gracchus can set up the cista and get it
    >> working for $60. He can make the necessary improvements to have it not
    >> so likely to collapse in the future as well. I would suggest that you
    >> contact him directly.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62690 From: c.aqvillivs_rota Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Press Release/To all citizens
    Salve Omnes,
     
     
    This is an official Press Release of Aquillius Rota, proud member of NR.
     
     
     
    I have great News
    from the Province of America Austrorientalis
    for all citizens
    of our Republic!
     
    An appropriate place, dedicated to our Republic, a place to meet and practice is soon available.
     
    The Grand Opening of the first Roman Event Bistro Inn
    on the Continent is close!
     
    Roman Life and Culture - Located in lovely South Carolina
     
    COMING SOON
    Just days away
     
     
     
    For Questions and Information please contact
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62691 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Ludi Megalenses: Certamen Historicum - Day 1
    Salvete Omnes,

    Since I won the last contest I'm going to sit this one out and let
    someone else have a chance.

    Valete,

    -- Marinus

    Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> writes:

    > Cn. Iulius Caesar aedilis curulis, omnibus Quiritibus sal.
    >
    > Welcome to the Magna Mater Certamen Historicum. I will be posting 50
    > questions between April 5th and April 9th, at the rate of 10 per
    > day. The contest will be concluded and the Ludi Megalenses closed on
    > April 10th. I will accept answers to all questions, previous days
    > included, daily. I will not post answers to questions on the
    > following day, but will announce all the results on April 10th.
    >
    > Good luck to all contestants!
    >
    > Optime valete
    >
    > Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62692 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Press Release/To all citizens
    SALVE ROTTA!
     
    I wish you success. excelent job and thank you for your dedication to Nova Roma.
     
    VALE BENE,
    T. Iulius Sabinus
    "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius


    --- On Mon, 4/6/09, c.aqvillivs_rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:

    From: c.aqvillivs_rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...>
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Press Release/To all citizens
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:43 AM

    Salve Omnes,
     
     
    This is an official Press Release of Aquillius Rota, proud member of NR.
     
     
     
    I have great News
    from the Province of America Austrorientalis
    for all citizens
    of our Republic!
     
    An appropriate place, dedicated to our Republic, a place to meet and practice is soon available.
     
    The Grand Opening of the first Roman Event Bistro Inn
    on the Continent is close!
     
    Roman Life and Culture - Located in lovely South Carolina
     
    COMING SOON
    Just days away
     
     
     
    For Questions and Information please contact

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62693 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: NR Priest/s and Soldiers wanted
    When will it be held?

    --------------------------------------------------
    From: "c.aqvillivs_rota" <c.aqvillivs_rota@...>
    Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:56 PM
    To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] NR Priest/s and Soldiers wanted

    >
    > Salvete Omnes,
    >
    > I am currently looking for a NR Priest/s and or Priest/esses as well as
    > soldiers for the performance of a Roman ritual here in South Carolina!
    >
    >
    >
    > Who is interested or can help out?
    >
    > Please respond to my e-mail C.Aqvillivs_Rota@...
    > <mailto:C.Aqvillivs_Rota@...>
    >
    > Optime vale
    >
    > C.AQVILLIVS ROTA
    >
    >
    >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62694 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    Cato M. Complutensio sal.

    Salve.

    Yes, exactly as I said to your colleague in the Senate when he asked who he should talk to; I gave Octavius Gracchus' name.

    Consul, it is *your* responsibility to see that the cista is functioning, not anyone else's. Don't try to shift blame onto anyone else.

    The least one would expect from a magistrate is that he take responsibility and obey the law.

    Vale,

    Cato

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola" <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
    >
    > Q. Poplicola M. Complutensi consuli spd.
    >
    > If you reach out to Octavius Gracchus, I am sure he will respond with the
    > figures.
    >
    > bene vale.
    >
    > --------------------------------------------------
    > From: "M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS" <complutensis@...>
    > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:41 PM
    > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    >
    > > Salve
    > >
    > > I have not received any budget from Octavius Gracchus. This offer how
    > > was made? No magistrate has received the formal offer of Octavius
    > > Gracchus.
    > >
    > > The least that one expect from any professional is a budget sent to his
    > > potential customer.
    > >
    > > As this is not the case I suppose that everything will have been the
    > > result of a conversation between friends in a bar.
    > >
    > > Vale
    > >
    > > M.CUR.COMPLUTENSIS
    > > Consul
    > >
    > >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> The former Marcus Octavius Gracchus can set up the cista and get it
    > >> working for $60. He can make the necessary improvements to have it not
    > >> so likely to collapse in the future as well. I would suggest that you
    > >> contact him directly.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62695 From: Ron Acosta Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Press Release/To all citizens
    Salve Rota!

    I applaud your efforts. Being that I'm in SE North Carolina at the moment, I'll be looking forward to spending a fantastic weekend in SC.


      S. Antonivs Costa

    On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 5:43 PM, c.aqvillivs_rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:
    Salve Omnes,
     
     
    This is an official Press Release of Aquillius Rota, proud member of NR.
     
     
     
    I have great News
    from the Province of America Austrorientalis
    for all citizens
    of our Republic!
     
    An appropriate place, dedicated to our Republic, a place to meet and practice is soon available.
     
    The Grand Opening of the first Roman Event Bistro Inn
    on the Continent is close!
     
    Roman Life and Culture - Located in lovely South Carolina
     
    COMING SOON
    Just days away
     
     
     
    For Questions and Information please contact



    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62696 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: INVITATION TO ROME!
    L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P. D.

    I just realized that the previous messages I have posted on this topic have been eaten up by the Yahoo archive and are no longer to be found, along with most of my posts this year.

    So I'm reposting the program of the April meetings organized by Pomerium and Nova Roma in Italy.

    ______________________

    The Pomerium cultural association, in cooperation with Nova Roma, invites you to Rome from April 17 to 19 in order to celebrate together the 2762nd anniversary of the city foundation.
    Like every year, guided tours, excursions and events have been organized for the weekend nearest to April 21, the date of Rome's foundation. It will be an extraordinary occasion to meet and enjoy the wonders of ancient Rome. This year we offer the possibility of discovering new and little-known itineraries and to relive the emotions of an ancient roman banquet.

    Those who want to participate are asked to communicate their participation by April 10 2009 to info@pomerium,org or by calling on of the following cell phone numbers: +39 333.8527265 and +39 339.1184613. It will be possible to receive information as well as guides for the city and assistance for accomodation.

    The program of events follows. All events are free, except where differently specificated.

    Info: www.pomerium.org
    e-mail: info@...
    tel: +39 333.8527265 - (info for Nova Roma: +39 339.1184613 )



    Program

    Friday, April 17, 2009


    1 - Excursion in the aqueducts area, near Gallicano in Lazio.
    (appointment at 9:00 am at the exit of the GIARDINETTI local railway station, via Casilina near the outer freeway ring)

    The tour of aqueducts in the territory of Praeneste is an extraordinary occasion to admire the remains of important roman hydraulic works, immersed in pristine vegetation. An attire suited for excursions is recommended. The tour will last about three hours. Pack lunch. (further information on www.gallicano.comnet.roma.it)

    This visit has to be booked in advance, in order to get further information on times, and the possiblility to arrange a lift by car (book by April 10 by writing to info@... o by calling +39 333.8527265).


    2 - Visit to Cinecittà studios
    (appointment at 15.45 in front of the Studios entrance, in via Tuscolana 1055, a few metres from the Metro A station Cinecittà)
    free entrance for Pomerium and Nova Roma members

    Opened on 28 April 1937, Cinecittà is the only european film facility with all the technical and professional structures for film making, with a complete cycle for production, editing, and special effects. Cinecittà was born nine kms from the centre of Rome. We will visit in particular the studios and sets used for the italian-US co-production of the HBO serial, "Rome"..
    (Further information on http://www.cinecitta.com/holding/societa/index.asp?id=5)


    Saturday, April 18, 2009


    1 - Pomerium members ordinary yearly meeting
    (meeting at 10.00 at Federalberghi Roma, Corso D'Italia n. 19)




    2 - Tour of the exhibition on the second millennium of the Flavian dynasty (Colosseum, Curia and cryptoportico on the Palatine)


    (appointment at 15.30 at the Palatine hill entrance in Via di San Gregorio 30, Portale del Vignola)
    entrance fee €12,00; reduced € 7,50 (gives access to all archaeological areas of the Palatine hill and Roman Forum).

    The Soprintendenza speciale per i beni archeologici di Roma dedicates a big exhibition, titled "Divus Vespasianus. Il bimillenario dei Flavi", to the birth of Emperor Vespasian 2000 years ago. An occasion to visit and rediscover the flavian monuments: from the Arch of Titus to the Domus Flavia, the Temple of Divus Vespasianus, the Temple of Peace. (Further information on: http://www.savethedate.it/eventi/roma/divus-vespasianus-mostra-roma-bimillenario-flavi-2009.html)


    3 - Dinner of the participants to the celebrations of Dies Natalis
    (appointment at 20.00 at the Pantheon, under the columns, on the left side when looking at the entrance or at 20.30 directly at "Le Volte" restaurant in Piazza Rondanini). Discount for Pomerium members (http://www.pomerium.org/promozioni.htm)



    Sunday, April 19, 2009


    1 - Historical parade at the Imperial Fora
    (meeting at 10,00, Arch of Constantine Palatine hill side)

    Now traditional appointment to look at the parade organized by Gruppo Storico Romano to celebrate the birth of Rome, with the participation of many re-enactor groups..
    (further information on http://www.gsr-roma.com/)


    2 - Visit and lunch at the Equinoxes funeral monument
    (meeting at 12,15 in Via Appia Antica 187/A)

    The Regina Viarum was flanked by many mausoleums and funeral monuments . Apart the most famous ones like the mausoleum of Caecilia or the one of Hilarius Fuscus, almost nobody knows the so-called "Equinoxes" monument, hidden in a private villa. A square vaulted building which was once covered with precious marble. It was described for the first time by Piranesi, and Labruzzi drew it when it was partially buried and used as a shelter for sheep. A fascinating visit, which will culminate in the serving of an ancient Refrigerium, with dishes prepares according to the recipes by Cato and Apicius. (From the Sotterranei di Roma website:http://www.sotterraneidiroma.it/index.php?v=pv&pvm=4)
    There are no available places left. Negotiations are being done in order to raise the number of participants to 40 people. We will let you know if this succeeds.


    3 - the Vicus Capriarius, city of water
    (meeting in via del Nazareno angolo via del Tritone at 15.45)
    Entrance fee 3 € (free for Pomerium members)

    The term "city of water" currently used to define the Vicus Caprarius archaeological is due to the presence of the element that best characterizes the site: firstly, the water flowing from the Trevi fountain, the monumental baroque ending of Aqua Virgo, in the immediate neighbourhood of the archaological area; secondly the spring water that flows through the ancient walls. (for further information visit: http://www.imagoromae.com/frmPhotoExplorer.aspx?act=album&str=950&lang=IT)




    in cooperation with Nova Roma






    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------



    For information:
    Associazione Pomerium
    Via A. Grandidier 34 - 00134 Roma

    info@... - amministrazione@... - http://www.pomerium.org

    This is the supplementary program of excursion and celebrations organized by
    Nova Roma in Italy, as posted by Vicarius Italiae C. Aurelius Vindex.

    MMDCCLXII ab Vrbe condita (2009)

    http://italia.novaroma.org/index.htm

    http://www.novaroma.org/

    For booking and information about the excursions listed below you can
    contact Gaius Aurelius Vindex:

    g_a_vindex@... or c.aur.vindex@...

    Cellphone +39 339 1184 613, or, if you don0t speak Italian, myself: L. Livia
    Plauta (livia.plauta@...)

    III IDVS APRILIS Satvrni Dies

    Saturday, April 11

    Visita to the Herculaneum exhibition,
    meeting at the museum entrance at 10,30 am.

    Herculaneum. Three centuries of dicoveries.

    Naples, National Archaeological Museum,
    the exhibition closes on April 13.

    This is a huge exhibition with recently restored artifacs, including bronze
    statues and textiles, and a collection of the most significant finds of
    herculaneum, some on loan from foreigh museums. For the first time almost
    everything from Herculaneum is visible in one place.

    Opening times:
    from 9 to 19.30.
    Closed on Tuedays.
    Entrance fee: ? 10,00 reduced ? 6,75

    PRIDIE IDVS APRILIS Solis Dies

    Sunday April 12 2009

    Visit to the Herculaneum digs:
    meeting at the entrance at 9,30 am.

    Address - Corso Resina, 1 - 80056 Ercolano (NA)
    Entrance fee: 11 euros; reduced 5,50 euro.

    We will also visit the newly opened Herculaneum virtual museum, with 3D
    reconstructions of roman life.

    XII KALENDAS MAIVS Lvnae Dies

    Lunedi 20 Aprile


    FERIAE LATINAE, dedicated to IUPITER LATIARIS
    who was venerated in the sacred precinct of Mons Albanus,
    today monte Cavo Rocca di Papa, an ancient volcanic crater.
    Like last year we will climb the via Sacra and perform a ceremony in honour
    of Jupiter Latiaris.

    IX KALENDAS MAIVS Martis Dies

    Tuesday, April 21

    Dies Natalis Romae and Palilia.
    Nova Roma will renew the nacient tradition of ceremonies ot Pales.

    Visit to Tivoli.
    meeting at 9,00 am. at the Roma-Aquila motorway toll station.

    Info:http://www.tibursuperbum.it/ita/monumenti/index.htm
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62697 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: TAX REMINDER
    L. Livia Plauta quaestrix consularis omnibus S.P.D.

    I'd like to remind everybody that the deadline for paying taxes is the last day of April.


    The following page http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tax_rate_MMDCCLXII (if the link is broke, you find it from the NR main page) contains all the information needed.

    To see how the taxes are beeing spent, you can see the budget:
    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Approved_Budget_2009

    Valete,
    Livia
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62698 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: INVITATION TO ROME!
    The Yahoo search does not work for posts past November, I have found, unless
    they recently changed things (checked it thrice, not checking again). All
    the more reason to switch away from Yahoo's terrible email client.

    --------------------------------------------------
    From: "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@...>
    Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:08 PM
    To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] INVITATION TO ROME!

    > L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P. D.
    >
    > I just realized that the previous messages I have posted on this topic
    > have been eaten up by the Yahoo archive and are no longer to be found,
    > along with most of my posts this year.
    >
    > So I'm reposting the program of the April meetings organized by Pomerium
    > and Nova Roma in Italy.
    >
    > ______________________
    >
    > The Pomerium cultural association, in cooperation with Nova Roma, invites
    > you to Rome from April 17 to 19 in order to celebrate together the 2762nd
    > anniversary of the city foundation.
    > Like every year, guided tours, excursions and events have been organized
    > for the weekend nearest to April 21, the date of Rome's foundation. It
    > will be an extraordinary occasion to meet and enjoy the wonders of ancient
    > Rome. This year we offer the possibility of discovering new and
    > little-known itineraries and to relive the emotions of an ancient roman
    > banquet.
    >
    > Those who want to participate are asked to communicate their participation
    > by April 10 2009 to info@pomerium,org or by calling on of the following
    > cell phone numbers: +39 333.8527265 and +39 339.1184613. It will be
    > possible to receive information as well as guides for the city and
    > assistance for accomodation.
    >
    > The program of events follows. All events are free, except where
    > differently specificated.
    >
    > Info: www.pomerium.org
    > e-mail: info@...
    > tel: +39 333.8527265 - (info for Nova Roma: +39 339.1184613 )
    >
    >
    >
    > Program
    >
    > Friday, April 17, 2009
    >
    >
    > 1 - Excursion in the aqueducts area, near Gallicano in Lazio.
    > (appointment at 9:00 am at the exit of the GIARDINETTI local railway
    > station, via Casilina near the outer freeway ring)
    >
    > The tour of aqueducts in the territory of Praeneste is an extraordinary
    > occasion to admire the remains of important roman hydraulic works,
    > immersed in pristine vegetation. An attire suited for excursions is
    > recommended. The tour will last about three hours. Pack lunch. (further
    > information on www.gallicano.comnet.roma.it)
    >
    > This visit has to be booked in advance, in order to get further
    > information on times, and the possiblility to arrange a lift by car (book
    > by April 10 by writing to info@... o by calling +39 333.8527265).
    >
    >
    > 2 - Visit to Cinecittà studios
    > (appointment at 15.45 in front of the Studios entrance, in via Tuscolana
    > 1055, a few metres from the Metro A station Cinecittà)
    > free entrance for Pomerium and Nova Roma members
    >
    > Opened on 28 April 1937, Cinecittà is the only european film facility with
    > all the technical and professional structures for film making, with a
    > complete cycle for production, editing, and special effects. Cinecittà was
    > born nine kms from the centre of Rome. We will visit in particular the
    > studios and sets used for the italian-US co-production of the HBO serial,
    > "Rome"..
    > (Further information on
    > http://www.cinecitta.com/holding/societa/index.asp?id=5)
    >
    >
    > Saturday, April 18, 2009
    >
    >
    > 1 - Pomerium members ordinary yearly meeting
    > (meeting at 10.00 at Federalberghi Roma, Corso D'Italia n. 19)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > 2 - Tour of the exhibition on the second millennium of the Flavian dynasty
    > (Colosseum, Curia and cryptoportico on the Palatine)
    >
    >
    > (appointment at 15.30 at the Palatine hill entrance in Via di San Gregorio
    > 30, Portale del Vignola)
    > entrance fee €12,00; reduced € 7,50 (gives access to all archaeological
    > areas of the Palatine hill and Roman Forum).
    >
    > The Soprintendenza speciale per i beni archeologici di Roma dedicates a
    > big exhibition, titled "Divus Vespasianus. Il bimillenario dei Flavi", to
    > the birth of Emperor Vespasian 2000 years ago. An occasion to visit and
    > rediscover the flavian monuments: from the Arch of Titus to the Domus
    > Flavia, the Temple of Divus Vespasianus, the Temple of Peace. (Further
    > information on:
    > http://www.savethedate.it/eventi/roma/divus-vespasianus-mostra-roma-bimillenario-flavi-2009.html)
    >
    >
    > 3 - Dinner of the participants to the celebrations of Dies Natalis
    > (appointment at 20.00 at the Pantheon, under the columns, on the left side
    > when looking at the entrance or at 20.30 directly at "Le Volte" restaurant
    > in Piazza Rondanini). Discount for Pomerium members
    > (http://www.pomerium.org/promozioni.htm)
    >
    >
    >
    > Sunday, April 19, 2009
    >
    >
    > 1 - Historical parade at the Imperial Fora
    > (meeting at 10,00, Arch of Constantine Palatine hill side)
    >
    > Now traditional appointment to look at the parade organized by Gruppo
    > Storico Romano to celebrate the birth of Rome, with the participation of
    > many re-enactor groups..
    > (further information on http://www.gsr-roma.com/)
    >
    >
    > 2 - Visit and lunch at the Equinoxes funeral monument
    > (meeting at 12,15 in Via Appia Antica 187/A)
    >
    > The Regina Viarum was flanked by many mausoleums and funeral monuments .
    > Apart the most famous ones like the mausoleum of Caecilia or the one of
    > Hilarius Fuscus, almost nobody knows the so-called "Equinoxes" monument,
    > hidden in a private villa. A square vaulted building which was once
    > covered with precious marble. It was described for the first time by
    > Piranesi, and Labruzzi drew it when it was partially buried and used as a
    > shelter for sheep. A fascinating visit, which will culminate in the
    > serving of an ancient Refrigerium, with dishes prepares according to the
    > recipes by Cato and Apicius. (From the Sotterranei di Roma
    > website:http://www.sotterraneidiroma.it/index.php?v=pv&pvm=4)
    > There are no available places left. Negotiations are being done in order
    > to raise the number of participants to 40 people. We will let you know if
    > this succeeds.
    >
    >
    > 3 - the Vicus Capriarius, city of water
    > (meeting in via del Nazareno angolo via del Tritone at 15.45)
    > Entrance fee 3 € (free for Pomerium members)
    >
    > The term "city of water" currently used to define the Vicus Caprarius
    > archaeological is due to the presence of the element that best
    > characterizes the site: firstly, the water flowing from the Trevi
    > fountain, the monumental baroque ending of Aqua Virgo, in the immediate
    > neighbourhood of the archaological area; secondly the spring water that
    > flows through the ancient walls. (for further information visit:
    > http://www.imagoromae.com/frmPhotoExplorer.aspx?act=album&str=950&lang=IT)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > in cooperation with Nova Roma
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    >
    >
    > For information:
    > Associazione Pomerium
    > Via A. Grandidier 34 - 00134 Roma
    >
    > info@... - amministrazione@... - http://www.pomerium.org
    >
    > This is the supplementary program of excursion and celebrations organized
    > by
    > Nova Roma in Italy, as posted by Vicarius Italiae C. Aurelius Vindex.
    >
    > MMDCCLXII ab Vrbe condita (2009)
    >
    > http://italia.novaroma.org/index.htm
    >
    > http://www.novaroma.org/
    >
    > For booking and information about the excursions listed below you can
    > contact Gaius Aurelius Vindex:
    >
    > g_a_vindex@... or c.aur.vindex@...
    >
    > Cellphone +39 339 1184 613, or, if you don0t speak Italian, myself: L.
    > Livia
    > Plauta (livia.plauta@...)
    >
    > III IDVS APRILIS Satvrni Dies
    >
    > Saturday, April 11
    >
    > Visita to the Herculaneum exhibition,
    > meeting at the museum entrance at 10,30 am.
    >
    > Herculaneum. Three centuries of dicoveries.
    >
    > Naples, National Archaeological Museum,
    > the exhibition closes on April 13.
    >
    > This is a huge exhibition with recently restored artifacs, including
    > bronze
    > statues and textiles, and a collection of the most significant finds of
    > herculaneum, some on loan from foreigh museums. For the first time almost
    > everything from Herculaneum is visible in one place.
    >
    > Opening times:
    > from 9 to 19.30.
    > Closed on Tuedays.
    > Entrance fee: ? 10,00 reduced ? 6,75
    >
    > PRIDIE IDVS APRILIS Solis Dies
    >
    > Sunday April 12 2009
    >
    > Visit to the Herculaneum digs:
    > meeting at the entrance at 9,30 am.
    >
    > Address - Corso Resina, 1 - 80056 Ercolano (NA)
    > Entrance fee: 11 euros; reduced 5,50 euro.
    >
    > We will also visit the newly opened Herculaneum virtual museum, with 3D
    > reconstructions of roman life.
    >
    > XII KALENDAS MAIVS Lvnae Dies
    >
    > Lunedi 20 Aprile
    >
    >
    > FERIAE LATINAE, dedicated to IUPITER LATIARIS
    > who was venerated in the sacred precinct of Mons Albanus,
    > today monte Cavo Rocca di Papa, an ancient volcanic crater.
    > Like last year we will climb the via Sacra and perform a ceremony in
    > honour
    > of Jupiter Latiaris.
    >
    > IX KALENDAS MAIVS Martis Dies
    >
    > Tuesday, April 21
    >
    > Dies Natalis Romae and Palilia.
    > Nova Roma will renew the nacient tradition of ceremonies ot Pales.
    >
    > Visit to Tivoli.
    > meeting at 9,00 am. at the Roma-Aquila motorway toll station.
    >
    > Info:http://www.tibursuperbum.it/ita/monumenti/index.htm
    >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62699 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    Q Caecilius Metellus Postumianus apud Populum in Foro salutem dicit.

    Saluete, Quirites.

    There are some responses which need to be made on our present issues. At the
    outset, it seems fitting to point out that, if only in words, all parties seem
    to agree that the law must be upheld. If nothing else, I think that says
    something about the caliber of individuals here, even if we disagree on how the
    law is to be upheld. I am at least happy for that.

    First, I respond to the comments of M Hortensia Maior, who pointed out all the
    things which C Curius has before him to do at the moment. I have to say that I
    understand how difficult it must be for him to balance all the things he now has
    before him; it is a significant stack. I have no ill will for Saturninus nor
    disdain in saying so, but the size of that stack is completely irrelevant to the
    situation at hand.

    The oath which we have all taken as magistrates and senators requires that we
    uphold the law. That oath puts the burden of the entire Res Publica on the
    shoulders of each of us. That being the case, regardless of what is the status
    of things for Saturninus away from his role as CIO, regardless of who is
    webmaster and what they are doing, every magistrate and senator has a
    responsibility to ensure that the law is upheld. If things away from our Res
    Publica are too heavy at the moment for Saturninus to work with the cista right
    now, that is fine. I am not down-speaking him for it; he has a lot to juggle
    and I know it must be difficult. It is on the cause of the nature of our oath
    that we ensure that what must be done is done; it does not matter who does it,
    so long as the task is completed.

    I am sure, Quirites, that at some point here, someone will want to point out to
    me the fact that the law states that the webmaster holds the responsibility to
    design, maintain, and keep available the cista. To that I have to respond that
    our oaths of office require that we ensure that the law is maintained; again, it
    does not matter who does it, so long as it is done. I also suspect someone
    might point out a perceived 'dissentio inter iura'. By nature of the fact that
    the Lex Iunia dates earlier than our current voting rules, it is superseded by
    these current voting rules. I have to disagree. If it is the case that we all
    must uphold the law, then we must uphold the law. If the webmaster is unable,
    unwilling, or otherwise unavailable to do the job, our responsibility steps in
    to pick up the task. In any case, we must uphold the laws we have passed.

    When Marcus Curiatius, as consul, calls the work that Gaius Cato has done "the
    result of a conversation between friends in a bar", I have to submit that he
    spits in the very face of the law he is sworn to uphold. It does not matter
    that Marcus Gracchus has not yet sent a budget to Complutensis. The better
    question is whether Complutensis has asked Marcus Gracchus for such, though that
    too is less than relevant. As one of the two most senior magistrates expected
    to see that the rule of law is maintained, it in fact falls upon him and his
    colleague to seek out any and all reasonable and possible means for upholding
    the law. Indeed, by choosing to ignore, overlook, or otherwise neglect the fact
    that there is a reasonable and feasible means of upholding the law, our consul
    has failed to even put forth a good faith effort do do what he is elected to do.
    That, in its own merit, warrants questions.

    In the end, Quirites, it comes to this:

    * Elections need to be held.
    * The cista is deemed infeasible as it stands by the current consuls.
    * The cista can be made appropriately feasible in a short amount of time, with
    the needed resources.
    * One person (Lucius Sulla) has offered to provide those resources. I offer to
    provide them as well.
    * Our present situation is in gross violation of the law.
    * The consuls can rectify the situation in short order.

    The rest is all smoke and mirrors.

    Di nos Romanos custodiant.

    Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
    aed. pl.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62700 From: Aqvillivs Rota Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Press Release/To all citizens
    Salve Antonius,
     
    I worked on it since 2 years. Thank you very much.
    I will keep you informed about us, I promise ! The opening will be within the next 2 weeks
     
    Do you know somebody who is available latest end of June ?
     
    Optime vale
     
    AQVILLIVS


    From: Ron Acosta <raa914@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 6:54:15 PM
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Press Release/To all citizens

    Salve Rota!

    I applaud your efforts. Being that I'm in SE North Carolina at the moment, I'll be looking forward to spending a fantastic weekend in SC.


      S. Antonivs Costa

    On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 5:43 PM, c.aqvillivs_ rota <c.aqvillivs_ rota@yahoo. com> wrote:
    Salve Omnes,
     
     
    This is an official Press Release of Aquillius Rota, proud member of NR.
     
     
     
    I have great News
    from the Province of America Austrorientalis
    for all citizens
    of our Republic!
     
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62701 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    Salvete omnes.

    Instead of shifting from one issue to another, may be you can do your duty, as senator, by speaking sense, and explaining to us, the People, the terms of that first $2000 (a sum of money worth of spending depending on what terms) *long-term'* solution about you where talking... but that now seems forgotten (after realizing that most of people in NR lives in other timezones different from yours?)
    Or you can explain the other (cheaper) offer.

    And may be you can explain also the difference between a *long-time* solution costing US$2000 yesterday, to another *long-term* solution of US$60 today.

    And yes, the least one would expect from our magistrates is that they take their responsability. And this goes to the senators too, specially some of them specialized in putting sticks on the wheels and later complain because the wheel broke.

    --
    Di te incolumem custodiant.
    L. Coruncanius Cato

    --- El lun, 6/4/09, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> escribió:

    Cato M. Complutensio sal.

    Salve.

    Yes, exactly as I said to your colleague in the Senate when he asked who he should talk to; I gave Octavius Gracchus' name.

    Consul, it is *your* responsibility to see that the cista is functioning, not anyone else's. Don't try to shift blame onto anyone else.

    The least one would expect from a magistrate is that he take responsibility and obey the law.

    Vale,

    Cato

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola" <q.valerius. poplicola@ ...> wrote:
    >
    > Q. Poplicola M. Complutensi consuli spd.
    >
    > If you reach out to Octavius Gracchus, I am sure he will respond with the
    > figures.
    >
    > bene vale.
    >
    > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --
    > From: "M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS " <complutensis@ ...>
    > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:41 PM
    > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com>
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    >
    > > Salve
    > >
    > > I have not received any budget from Octavius Gracchus. This offer how
    > > was made? No magistrate has received the formal offer of Octavius
    > > Gracchus.
    > >
    > > The least that one expect from any professional is a budget sent to his
    > > potential customer.
    > >
    > > As this is not the case I suppose that everything will have been the
    > > result of a conversation between friends in a bar.
    > >
    > > Vale
    > >
    > > M.CUR.COMPLUTENSIS
    > > Consul
    > >
    > >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> The former Marcus Octavius Gracchus can set up the cista and get it
    > >> working for $60. He can make the necessary improvements to have it not
    > >> so likely to collapse in the future as well. I would suggest that you
    > >> contact him directly.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62702 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Yahoo archives
    "Q. Valerius Poplicola" <q.valerius.poplicola@...> writes:

    > The Yahoo search does not work for posts past November, I have found, unless
    > they recently changed things (checked it thrice, not checking again).

    Yahoo is in the process of migrating their mailing list archives to
    new servers. This means, among other things, that archive searches
    are temporarily limited to the very recent past. As they migrate
    older posts to the new servers those will be available to the search
    engine again too.

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62703 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Working cista?
    Salvete

    Do we or do we not have a working cista? I wish to hold elections to elect another plebian aedile and convene the comitia populi tributa (if the ratio of patricians allows) to vote on the repeal of the Lex Salicia iudiciaria, the Lex Salicia poenalis, and the Lex Equitia de iurisdictione.

    Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
    Tribune of the Plebs
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62704 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: America Austroccidentalis
    Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: America Austroccidentalis
    A. Tullia Scholastica C. Aquillio Rotae Paullae Corvae Gaudiali quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
     

    Salve Omnes,
    This is an official Press Release of Aquillius Rota proud member of NR and in the name of the C.R. Ltd. Co.
     
     
     
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    from the Province of America Austrorientalis
    for all citizens
    of our Republic!
     
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    on the Continent!
     
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        ATS:  OPTIMÉ!  Plus quam optimé!  Macte virtúte!  Tibi uxori familiaeque gratulor!  I am delighted to hear this, especially after all of the trials and trouble you had, including your own accident and subsequent hospitalization.  Hope you are now well, and will also be able to tend to the caupona/deversorium and the macellum (I would like to have that item I tentatively ordered).    If you need help with Latin, you know where to get it.  

     
     
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    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , Chantal Gaudiano <aerdensrw@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salvete omnes--
    >  
    > After reading a post by Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, I decided that he spoke a lot of sense, and I should follow his wisdom.
    >  
    > I live in Houston, Texas and am a resident of America Austroccidentalis.  I would like to know if there are other Houstonians, Texans, or other residents of my province who would like to converse via the America Austroccidentalis mailing list, which seems to be rather dead, at the moment.  If you live in Houston, it would be great to meet, sometime.

        ATS:  There are several folks in the Texas area who are in a different Roman-oriented organization, though some are also in NR.  
    >  
    > I've observed that communities of Nova Romans who have personal interaction with each other tend to be more active and do more interesting things.  I'm not sure if personal interaction is possible in Houston, yet, but I would at least like to get to know the folks in my province better.
    >  
    > Valete,
    >  
    > Paulla Corva Gaudialis
    >

     Â 
    Valete!  
     Â 
    >  
    >  
    >

      
        

       
       Messages in this topic           <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/62646
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62705 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Working cista?
    Salve Agrippa,

    During last year's general elections, we found that the cista works to
    support the election of magistrates as defined in the Comitia
    Centuriata and the Comitia Populi Tributa, but not the Comitia Plebis
    Tributa due to the requirement for allowing write-ins. The cista also
    did not work properly for leges.

    So, assuming that the cista now is as it was in December, the cista is
    not able to support the election of a plebeian aedile. Nor can it
    handle the repeal vote you wish to have. Furthermore, I don't think
    the ratio of patricians to plebeians is yet below 10%, you should ask
    the Censors.

    Vale,

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

    Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa <canadaoccidentalis@...> writes:

    >
    > Salvete
    >
    > Do we or do we not have a working cista? I wish to hold elections
    > to elect another plebian aedile and convene the comitia populi
    > tributa (if the ratio of patricians allows) to vote on the repeal of
    > the Lex Salicia iudiciaria, the Lex Salicia poenalis, and the Lex
    > Equitia de iurisdictione.
    >
    > Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
    > Tribune of the Plebs
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62706 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Working cista?
    I think this underscores the *real* problem - we need a better system
    altogether! We should not have to rely on webmasters!

    --------------------------------------------------
    From: "Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa" <canadaoccidentalis@...>
    Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:53 PM
    To: <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Working cista?

    >
    > Salvete
    >
    > Do we or do we not have a working cista? I wish to hold elections to
    > elect another plebian aedile and convene the comitia populi tributa (if
    > the ratio of patricians allows) to vote on the repeal of the Lex Salicia
    > iudiciaria, the Lex Salicia poenalis, and the Lex Equitia de
    > iurisdictione.
    >
    > Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
    > Tribune of the Plebs
    >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62707 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    Salvete,

    Obviously now I realize that the $60 offer was not a "long term" solution, as it was said on another thread and then taken to the first thread (obviously one basic move to troll a newsletter) to drive mad people.

    --
    Di te incolumem custodiant.
    L. Coruncanius Cato

    --- El lun, 6/4/09, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...> escribió:

    Salvete omnes.

    Instead of shifting from one issue to another, may be you can do your duty, as senator, by speaking sense, and explaining to us, the People, the terms of that first $2000 (a sum of money worth of spending depending on what terms) *long-term'* solution about you where talking... but that now seems forgotten (after realizing that most of people in NR lives in other timezones different from yours?)
    Or you can explain the other (cheaper) offer.

    And may be you can explain also the difference between a *long-time* solution costing US$2000 yesterday, to another *long-term* solution of US$60 today.

    And yes, the least one would expect from our magistrates is that they take their responsability. And this goes to the senators too, specially some of them specialized in putting sticks on the wheels and later complain because the wheel broke.

    --
    Di te incolumem custodiant.
    L. Coruncanius Cato

    --- El lun, 6/4/09, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@gmail. com> escribió:

    Cato M. Complutensio sal.

    Salve.

    Yes, exactly as I said to your colleague in the Senate when he asked who he should talk to; I gave Octavius Gracchus' name.

    Consul, it is *your* responsibility to see that the cista is functioning, not anyone else's. Don't try to shift blame onto anyone else.

    The least one would expect from a magistrate is that he take responsibility and obey the law.

    Vale,

    Cato

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola" <q.valerius. poplicola@ ...> wrote:
    >
    > Q. Poplicola M. Complutensi consuli spd.
    >
    > If you reach out to Octavius Gracchus, I am sure he will respond with the
    > figures.
    >
    > bene vale.
    >
    > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --
    > From: "M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS " <complutensis@ ...>
    > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:41 PM
    > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com>
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    >
    > > Salve
    > >
    > > I have not received any budget from Octavius Gracchus. This offer how
    > > was made? No magistrate has received the formal offer of Octavius
    > > Gracchus.
    > >
    > > The least that one expect from any professional is a budget sent to his
    > > potential customer.
    > >
    > > As this is not the case I suppose that everything will have been the
    > > result of a conversation between friends in a bar.
    > >
    > > Vale
    > >
    > > M.CUR.COMPLUTENSIS
    > > Consul
    > >
    > >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> The former Marcus Octavius Gracchus can set up the cista and get it
    > >> working for $60. He can make the necessary improvements to have it not
    > >> so likely to collapse in the future as well. I would suggest that you
    > >> contact him directly.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >



    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62708 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Working cista?
    ---Salve Marine, Salvete Omnes:

    You wrote (from your post below)

    " I don't think
    the ratio of patricians to plebeians is yet below 10%, you should ask
    the Censors."

    I don't think so either; I think it's higher than that, but I leave the final official determination to the Censors. Assuming we are both correct in our projections, then Agrippa would be obligated to call the Comitia Populi Tributa with respect to repealing laws, correct? Just clarifying my interpretation of the constitution in light of what you wrote above.

    With respect to this offer of a cista by Marcus Octavius Gracchus, which I think is a very modest price, I'm thinking somebody should pay it. I'll check my purse. I can tell you that I've dealt with him before as a customer and he's always treated me fairly.

    Meantime: the Tribune could request of the Censores an official ratio of Pats to Plebs. Perhaps the Tribune can call the Comitia Populi Tributa and perhaps he can't. I hope he can, because I, amongst many others, would like to get this 'legislative' rubbish off the books, particularily after it's gross misuse last year, the repetition of which could potentially lead us into some legal trouble (dont' kid yourself). If he can only call the Plebian Assembly, well atleast he'll get to elect an Aedile, and he'll be fulfilling his sacrosanct obligations to the extent he can.

    Once this information is realized, this will help Marcus Octavius build a cista in correspondence with the rules of the comitia the Tribune is going to call. I realize that the differing rules of the Plebian Assembly elections have been a problem with cista programming in the past.

    And, if the Tribune can summon the Comitia Populi Tributa to repeal laws, there is nothing stating that he can't concurrently summon the Comitia *Plebis* Tributa to elect an Aedile.

    Now is that going to cost us $120.00 (two comitia)?? :>) Hmm, it might still be worth it.

    Valete
    Pompeia










    In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salve Agrippa,
    >
    > During last year's general elections, we found that the cista works to
    > support the election of magistrates as defined in the Comitia
    > Centuriata and the Comitia Populi Tributa, but not the Comitia Plebis
    > Tributa due to the requirement for allowing write-ins. The cista also
    > did not work properly for leges.
    >
    > So, assuming that the cista now is as it was in December, the cista is
    > not able to support the election of a plebeian aedile. Nor can it
    > handle the repeal vote you wish to have. Furthermore, I don't think
    > the ratio of patricians to plebeians is yet below 10%, you should ask
    > the Censors.
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    >
    > Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa <canadaoccidentalis@...> writes:
    >
    > >
    > > Salvete
    > >
    > > Do we or do we not have a working cista? I wish to hold elections
    > > to elect another plebian aedile and convene the comitia populi
    > > tributa (if the ratio of patricians allows) to vote on the repeal of
    > > the Lex Salicia iudiciaria, the Lex Salicia poenalis, and the Lex
    > > Equitia de iurisdictione.
    > >
    > > Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
    > > Tribune of the Plebs
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62709 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Ne Tranquille in Noctem Bonam Eamus
    Cato Coruncanio Catoni sal.

    Salve.

    First of all, you have no idea how long I've been pounding the same message in both here and in the Senate, so you couldn't know that my answer here was just one in a long series of responses to a consul from whom getting a serious response is about as possible as nailing Jell-O to a wall.

    But you want the explanation? Here it is, straight from the horse's mouth:

    "I have been corresponding with Senators Cato and Paulinus about the cost of modifying the voting software. While it works, it is not well understood by anyone currently available. The system was designed to be maintained by a professional programmer or sysadmin; Scaevola and Callidus, among others, had no difficulty writing configuration files. But everyone who is capable of doing this has departed, for one reason or another.

    I am willing to write and test a configuration file for any elections you need to immediately hold, and will do this setup - with no programming changes - for $60 (even if it takes more than the anticipated one hour), as was quoted on the BackAlley list a few days ago.

    For a long-term solution, several options are available.

    The first is to keep the Cista program as it is, but make a builder for the complex configuration file it needs. This configuration builder would be available to the webmaster and to those empowered to call a vote, who would log in via the web site, create an election and set dates for it, add issues and candidates to it, and test it by casting fake votes. No changes are needed to the Cista itself for this (though I might make a few minimal changes for efficiency); the configuration builder would be a standalone program. I estimate about ten hours (and thus, $600 or $750) for this project.

    The next option is to completely rebuild the Cista program using a modern application framework; such a project could be the beginning of an entirely new web site, as more parts of the album civium and censores' tools are ported over to the new framework. Most of the existing site was built in 2000 and shortly thereafter, with some of it revised in 2006; there are many tools available now that were not available then. In particular, I'd use a language other than Perl, which was the most popular choice for web applications in 2000 but is now in decline; Python and Ruby are now in ascension. I estimate that with about thirty to forty hours of work I could have the cista completely rebuilt in a new language and framework - to be chosen in consultation with the CIO - which would also include the configuration-builder described above.

    Automated vote-counting would not be included, however, as your laws require too many manual tasks, described in too much detail, to make this feasible. Perhaps this is something we could revisit, but it would be a project just as large as a rebuild of the voting program itself."

    Vale,

    Cato
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62710 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Vespasian or Titus
    Salve L. Marcio,
    Thank you very much for your input. I will research and enjoy. (Casting hobby, just in case I get a call from Brad Pitt or Johnny Depp, etc... you never know).

    Vale,

    T. Marcius Quadra


    From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 6:58:57 AM
    Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] *Stone, J.R. 1996. Latin for the Illiterati, p.197.

    Lentulus Marcio sal.

    (Welcome here too, but I have already welcomed you as your assigned censorial scribe!)

    You look like Vespasian! Absolutely. Or maybe Titus...


    Vale!


    --- Sab 4/4/09, Robin Marquardt <remarq777@yahoo. com> ha scritto:
    Da: Robin Marquardt <remarq777@yahoo. com>
    Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] *Stone, J.R. 1996. Latin for the Illiterati, p.197.
    A: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    Data: Sabato 4 Aprile 2009, 21:50

    Salve L. Livia Plauta,
    In reflecting, its kind of the see a fight, jump in syndrome prevalent among us romans (its a guy thing). Anyway, I'm glad to be part of the Nova Roma community.
    Benigne dicis*,
    Ti.Marce Quadra
    P.S. Please give me your brutal honest opinion, like a type casting agent. See the attachment, my picture; do I look like any of the Roman Emperors? If yes, which one? Elaborate. TMQ

     




    From: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@ gmail.com>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 3:43:04 AM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa

    Salve Ti. Marce Quadra,

    welcome to Nova Roma!
    You must have guts if all the disgruntled citizens could achieve is to make you join!
    Congratulations!

    And congratulations to S. Antonius Costa too, for being interested in doing hard work right on joining!

    Valete,
    L. Livia Plauta

    >
    > Salve Sextus Antonius Costa,
    > I am new to the Nova Roma community so please excuse my grammar, as grammar is specific in Latin though I have lots to learn. My NR name is Tiberius Marcius Quadra, and I've learned that citizens would address me TI. MARCI QUADRA.
    >
    > Like yourself, I observed the similarity with my last name with the Latin names available. Naming oneself is an important process. Addmitedly, I am OCD, so it takes me much longer than the average person to get aquainted with many things. But once I catch on, I tend to maximize my involvement. So I commend you on your desire to serve the Florida area; salute!
    >
    > I actually have been observing the Nova Romans since July 3, 2004. It took the adverse responses of some disgruntled NR citizens to provoke me to joining. I don't think I'll be vieing for office any time soon, due to my busy hectic schedule. I bid you macte! in your quest for office.
    > Optime vale!
    > Ti. Marci Quadra
    >
    >
    >
    > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@...>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:00:23 PM
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    >
    >
    > Salve Aureliane,
    >
    > Thank you once again for welcoming me as a
    > civis of AAE. I'm thrilled to find that there are others in this part
    > of the country that also enjoy taking part in discussing anything
    > Roman. I do hope look forward to helping out and taking part in any
    > activities and provincial posts that may present themselves.
    > Speaking of this, I noticed that the office of praefectus regio for
    > Florida appears as vacant. Is this still the case? If so, what
    > necessary steps would one take to apply for the position. Also, what
    > exactly does the role entail, and on a day-to-day basis?
    >
    > Optime vale! :)
    >
    > S. Anton. Costa
    >
    >
    > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ aol.com> wrote:
    >
    > Hope you will be active in the province.
    >
    > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
    > Gubenator Am. Austrorientalis
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@gmail. com>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 2:15 pm
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    >
    >
    > Salve,
    >
    > As this is my first post, I would like to introduce myself to the republic. My name is Sextus Antonius Costa and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma for about two months now. I live in the Provincia America Austrorientalis.
    > I have lived in this region all of my life although my ancestry traces it's roots to Hispania. I look forward to getting in touch with other citizens in the region and throughout the republic and engaging in all the fascinating topics that abound on all things Roman.
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    > S. Antonius Costa
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now!
    >




    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62711 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Caligula - Little Boots
    Salve Livia,
    You may find this interesting. I have a friend with the last name Little (sadly he's troubled, his brother committed suicide, and I've done what I can to console him). On a positive note, with my iconographic "eye" I see a strong resemblance of my friend, Mr. Little and existing icons of our troubled, nontheless, Emperor Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus "Caligula."

    To a degree, I believe Mr. Little is a descendant of Caligula. With a spirit of appreciation, I've told him that I think he's a descendant of Caligula, in an effort to subconsciously build his esteem, but also because it seems so. Also, as a unconventional translation Little can be defined as The Light (Litt = light, and le = the).


    Figuring who a person may be descended from is just one way to enjoy time.
    Vale,
    Marci

     




    From: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:01:04 AM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: *Stone, J.R. 1996. Latin for the Illiterati, p.197.

    Salve Marci,

    to be honest I'm not expert enough in the looks of Roman Emperors to know if you look like one. I'm sure there are others on this list who have a much wider iconographical knowledge.

    Vale,
    Livia

    >
    > Salve L. Livia Plauta,
    > In reflecting, its kind of the see a fight, jump in syndrome prevalent among us romans (its a guy thing). Anyway, I'm glad to be part of the Nova Roma community.
    > Benigne dicis*,
    > Ti.Marce Quadra
    > P.S. Please give me your brutal honest opinion, like a type casting agent. See the attachment, my picture; do I look like any of the Roman Emperors? If yes, which one? Elaborate. TMQ
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > From: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@ ...>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 3:43:04 AM
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius Costa
    >
    >
    > Salve Ti. Marce Quadra,
    >
    > welcome to Nova Roma!
    > You must have guts if all the disgruntled citizens could achieve is to make you join!
    > Congratulations!
    >
    > And congratulations to S. Antonius Costa too, for being interested in doing hard work right on joining!
    >
    > Valete,
    > L. Livia Plauta
    >
    > >
    > > Salve Sextus Antonius Costa,
    > > I am new to the Nova Roma community so please excuse my grammar, as grammar is specific in Latin though I have lots to learn. My NR name is Tiberius Marcius Quadra, and I've learned that citizens would address me TI. MARCI QUADRA.
    > >
    > > Like yourself, I observed the similarity with my last name with the Latin names available. Naming oneself is an important process. Addmitedly, I am OCD, so it takes me much longer than the average person to get aquainted with many things. But once I catch on, I tend to maximize my involvement. So I commend you on your desire to serve the Florida area; salute!
    > >
    > > I actually have been observing the Nova Romans since July 3, 2004. It took the adverse responses of some disgruntled NR citizens to provoke me to joining. I don't think I'll be vieing for office any time soon, due to my busy hectic schedule. I bid you macte! in your quest for office.
    > > Optime vale!
    > > Ti. Marci Quadra
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@>
    > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:00:23 PM
    > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    > >
    > >
    > > Salve Aureliane,
    > >
    > > Thank you once again for welcoming me as a
    > > civis of AAE. I'm thrilled to find that there are others in this part
    > > of the country that also enjoy taking part in discussing anything
    > > Roman. I do hope look forward to helping out and taking part in any
    > > activities and provincial posts that may present themselves.
    > > Speaking of this, I noticed that the office of praefectus regio for
    > > Florida appears as vacant. Is this still the case? If so, what
    > > necessary steps would one take to apply for the position. Also, what
    > > exactly does the role entail, and on a day-to-day basis?
    > >
    > > Optime vale! :)
    > >
    > > S. Anton. Costa
    > >
    > >
    > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ aol.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > Hope you will be active in the province.
    > >
    > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
    > > Gubenator Am. Austrorientalis
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@gmail. com>
    > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > > Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 2:15 pm
    > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    > >
    > >
    > > Salve,
    > >
    > > As this is my first post, I would like to introduce myself to the republic. My name is Sextus Antonius Costa and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma for about two months now. I live in the Provincia America Austrorientalis.
    > > I have lived in this region all of my life although my ancestry traces it's roots to Hispania. I look forward to getting in touch with other citizens in the region and throughout the republic and engaging in all the fascinating topics that abound on all things Roman.
    > >
    > > Vale,
    > >
    > > S. Antonius Costa
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ____________ _________ _________ __
    > > Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now!
    > >
    >


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62712 From: Priscilla Queen of the Desert Date: 2009-04-05
    Subject: Re: Working cista?


    Salve Omnes,

    I am very new and am ignorant of all of the politics and yes, even the laws. I hope on one takes offense to my impetuousnous, but it is only my desire to toss out an idea that might help alleviate some of the pressure and simplify your endeavors.

    1. A voting email address- This email address would be used solely to collect ballots. All names on the ballots would be sent to separate folders in the email box, which may make tallying votes a lot simpler. This email address would only be opened at the end of the elections and by those in authority and the utmost of confidence to do so.

    2. Email Ballots/ RSVP- To get a true number of who would be voting, RSVP's of voting intention would be sent out to citizens, partially as a way of affirming who is actually left to vote and also to save email addresses into the election email system. This will make mass mailings for such events a lot easier in the future. That leads to my third idea-

    3. Voter Registration Numbers- Each citizen would be assigned a number they sign the end of their ballots with a long with their names. These numbers would be sent individually and in confidence to each voter whom has RSVP'd and would be kept confidential- this might help curb double voting.

    I know this is probably not an adequate enough solution, but it might be good if one is trying to save money and have a simple solution that would take the average person (a dunce like me, lol) about 2 days to set up.

    Vale Benne,

    K. Pythia Theocritos

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62713 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Working cista?
    Cato Pompiae Straboni omnibusque in foro SPD

    Salve et salvete.

    I agree wholeheartedly with Agrippa's intent and with you Pompeia. The leges Salciae are not in the spirit of Roman law. I am not so sure about the lex Equitia de iurisdictione, but am very interested in hearing Agrippa's ideas about it.

    I have even drafted a very rough replacement for the leges Saliciae, as follows:


    "1. Any citizen (the actor) may exercize their right to bring a lawsuit against any other citizen (the reus) unless restricted by law [i.e., sitting magistrates or on a dies nefastus publicus, etc.]. The praetors have full imperium to administer the law, and they may either accept or deny a lawsuit based on its merits as presented by the actor.

    2. If the praetors do not accept a citizen's lawsuit, the actor may appeal the praetor's decision to the consuls. If the consuls refuse to hear it, the actor may appeal to the People, who will be called to vote in the appropriate comitia in the manner prescribed by law. The People's decision is final.

    3. The magistrate who has agreed to hear the lawsuit shall set up whatever framework he or she thinks best suited for the individual case regarding submission of evidence and hearing of testimony; the magistrate may choose to either create a panel of three, five, or seven iudices or may choose to hear the case and render judgment. If a lawsuit is to be heard by the People, they will be called to vote in the appropriate comitia in the manner prescribed by law.

    4. Once the case has been heard, the presiding magistrate or the panel of iudices shall render a verdict, which shall be announced in the Forum by the presiding magistrate within forty-eight (48) hours of the verdict. If the verdict is not acceptable to the reus, they may appeal to the next highest ranking magistrates; ultimately, they may appeal to the People, who will be called to vote in the appropriate comitia in the manner prescribed by law. If the People are called to vote, the verdict shall be announced within forty-eight (48) hours by the tribune who convened the appropriate comitia. The People's decision is final.

    5. The verdict may not violate any Nova Roman law or applicable federal, state, or local laws. A sentence shall be based on severity of crime; however, only a vote of the People by super majority can banish a citizen.

    6. The leges Saliciae iudiciaria and poenalis are repealed."

    I repeat, a VERY rough draft, but you get the drift. It places the law primarily back into the hands of the praetors, where it was in ancient Rome.

    Vale et valete,

    Cato
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62714 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Working cista?
    Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Working cista?

     



    A. Tullia Scholastica Pythiae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

                    

    Salve Omnes,

    I am very new and am ignorant of all of the politics and yes, even the laws. I hope on one takes offense to my impetuousnous, but it is only my desire to toss out an idea that might help alleviate some of the pressure and simplify your endeavors.

    1. A voting email address- This email address would be used solely to collect ballots. All names on the ballots would be sent to separate folders in the email box, which may make tallying votes a lot simpler. This email address would only be opened at the end of the elections and by those in authority and the utmost of confidence to do so.

                            ATS:  I don’t think this would work with our system, which I shall outline below.  

    2. Email Ballots/ RSVP- To get a true number of who would be voting, RSVP's of voting intention would be sent out to citizens, partially as a way of affirming who is actually left to vote and also to save email addresses into the election email system. This will make mass mailings for such events a lot easier in the future. That leads to my third idea-

    3. Voter Registration Numbers- Each citizen would be assigned a number they sign the end of their ballots with a long with their names. These numbers would be sent individually and in confidence to each voter whom has RSVP'd and would be kept confidential- this might help curb double voting.

        ATS:  We already have such numbers (actually numbers and letters), called voter codes.  

    I know this is probably not an adequate enough solution, but it might be good if one is trying to save money and have a simple solution that would take the average person (a dunce like me, lol) about 2 days to set up.

        ATS:  We vote by tribes and centuries, not individually.  The tribes and centuries are something like voting precincts, but they give only one vote to a candidate, not the sum total of all votes in any given tribe or century.  Thus if Titus Titius wins Tribe One or Century One, he gets one vote, not the total number of votes for him in that tribe or century.  All voters are sorted into tribes and centuries; the former tend to have about six people in them (though there are four {?} huge ones for the unwashed multitudes), and the centuries have anything from three people on to several hundreds.  Those of us who work for the RP of NR get points which eventually get us put into smaller centuries where our vote counts for more.   We also have three comitia, one of which is barred to patricians, which elect certain magistrates.  The higher magistrates are elected by the Comitia Centuriata, and the lower ones by the Comitia Populi Tributa, while the plebeian magistrates are elected by the Comitia Plebis Tributa.  All three have different rules for their elections.  

        The complexity of our voting system, based on that in ancient Rome, makes it very difficult to set up the voting cista, and would be well-nigh impossible to administer by any simple means.

        I suspect that one or another of our voting officials or higher magistrates will explain this better than I have, given that most of my talents are linguistic, not mathematical, but this should help for the time being.  

        BTW, are you a citizen?  K. is the abbreviation for the strictly male name Caeso, and the rest is Greek, not Latin.  




    Vale Benne,

    K. Pythia Theocritos

     Vale et valete bene.  
      
        

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62715 From: Priscilla Queen of the Desert Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Working cista?
    Salve,

    No, I am not a citizen yet, I am still exploring and reading- I just gave a suggestion as it seemed like there was so much heat behind what was going on that a simplified alternative might have helped. You've explained the system to me very well and I will be sure to reread it several times.

    As of now I am a Hellenist so I have a Greek name as it is recognizable to my gods. As I stated before, my ignorance of all proportions of the matter will be pretty evident in my response. I fully understand that it is not possible. I have an interest in Greco-Roman history, culture, language, and religion and more or less joined to learn more about the Roman half of that equation.

    I thank you for your patience and benevolent understanding.

    -Pythia

    Knowledge must come through action; you can have no test which is not fanciful, save by trial.
    -Sophocles

    --- On Mon, 4/6/09, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

    From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Working cista?
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 2:24 AM


     



    A. Tullia Scholastica Pythiae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

                    

    Salve Omnes,

    I am very new and am ignorant of all of the politics and yes, even the laws. I hope on one takes offense to my impetuousnous, but it is only my desire to toss out an idea that might help alleviate some of the pressure and simplify your endeavors.

    1. A voting email address- This email address would be used solely to collect ballots. All names on the ballots would be sent to separate folders in the email box, which may make tallying votes a lot simpler. This email address would only be opened at the end of the elections and by those in authority and the utmost of confidence to do so.

                            ATS:  I don’t think this would work with our system, which I shall outline below.  

    2. Email Ballots/ RSVP- To get a true number of who would be voting, RSVP's of voting intention would be sent out to citizens, partially as a way of affirming who is actually left to vote and also to save email addresses into the election email system. This will make mass mailings for such events a lot easier in the future. That leads to my third idea-

    3. Voter Registration Numbers- Each citizen would be assigned a number they sign the end of their ballots with a long with their names. These numbers would be sent individually and in confidence to each voter whom has RSVP'd and would be kept confidential- this might help curb double voting.

        ATS:  We already have such numbers (actually numbers and letters), called voter codes.  

    I know this is probably not an adequate enough solution, but it might be good if one is trying to save money and have a simple solution that would take the average person (a dunce like me, lol) about 2 days to set up.

        ATS:  We vote by tribes and centuries, not individually.  The tribes and centuries are something like voting precincts, but they give only one vote to a candidate, not the sum total of all votes in any given tribe or century.  Thus if Titus Titius wins Tribe One or Century One, he gets one vote, not the total number of votes for him in that tribe or century.  All voters are sorted into tribes and centuries; the former tend to have about six people in them (though there are four {?} huge ones for the unwashed multitudes), and the centuries have anything from three people on to several hundreds.  Those of us who work for the RP of NR get points which eventually get us put into smaller centuries where our vote counts for more.   We also have three comitia, one of which is barred to patricians, which elect certain magistrates.  The higher magistrates are elected by the Comitia Centuriata, and the lower ones by the Comitia Populi Tributa, while the plebeian magistrates are elected by the Comitia Plebis Tributa.  All three have different rules for their elections.  

        The complexity of our voting system, based on that in ancient Rome, makes it very difficult to set up the voting cista, and would be well-nigh impossible to administer by any simple means.

        I suspect that one or another of our voting officials or higher magistrates will explain this better than I have, given that most of my talents are linguistic, not mathematical, but this should help for the time being.  

        BTW, are you a citizen?  K. is the abbreviation for the strictly male name Caeso, and the rest is Greek, not Latin.  




    Vale Benne,

    K. Pythia Theocritos

     Vale et valete bene.  
      
        


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62716 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Earth Quake
    Does anyone know if all of our Italian cives and their friends and family
    are all ok?

    Di vos incolumes custodiant.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62717 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Working cista?
    Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Working cista?
    Salve, Pythia, et salvete, quirites, socii, peregrinique bonae voluntatis.
     

    Salve,

    No, I am not a citizen yet, I am still exploring and reading- I just gave a suggestion as it seemed like there was so much heat behind what was going on that a simplified alternative might have helped.

        ATS:  There is a lot of heat because, for technical (and possibly other) reasons, we cannot elect magistrates to fill vacancies, and therefore are violating our own laws.  

    You've explained the system to me very well and I will be sure to reread it several times.

        ATS:  I’m glad you found this useful.  I’m a former mid-level magistrate, and have been here a while.  My computer hiccuped as I was almost done writing a slightly different version of this letter, and made the post disappear, something that is always helpful, and I wondered if the last section was clear.  Our voting system is quite complicated, and the system to run it is even more so.  

    As of now I am a Hellenist so I have a Greek name as it is recognizable to my gods.

        ATS:  I am very much a Hellenist, having had about 8 years of classical Greek, though we may mean this term in a somewhat different fashion as I use it in the academic, rather than the religious, sense.  Here I am primarily a Latinist, but a classicist by training.    


    As I stated before, my ignorance of all proportions of the matter will be pretty evident in my response. I fully understand that it is not possible. I have an interest in Greco-Roman history, culture, language, and religion and more or less joined to learn more about the Roman half of that equation.

        ATS:  If you are not there already, you might be interested in joining our Greek SIG, the Sodalitas Graeciae.  All of the sodalities tend to be quiet, but one can benefit if one hangs around.  

    I thank you for your patience and benevolent understanding.

        You’re entirely welcome.  I had hoped that I was not being too forceful.  

    -Pythia

    Knowledge must come through action; you can have no test which is not fanciful, save by trial.
     -Sophocles

    Khaire, kai khairete.  



    --- On Mon, 4/6/09, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

    From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Working cista?
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 2:24 AM

      

     



    A. Tullia Scholastica Pythiae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

                    

    Salve Omnes,

    I am very new and am ignorant of all of the politics and yes, even the laws. I hope on one takes offense to my impetuousnous, but it is only my desire to toss out an idea that might help alleviate some of the pressure and simplify your endeavors.

    1. A voting email address- This email address would be used solely to collect ballots. All names on the ballots would be sent to separate folders in the email box, which may make tallying votes a lot simpler. This email address would only be opened at the end of the elections and by those in authority and the utmost of confidence to do so.

                            ATS:  I don’t think this would work with our system, which I shall outline below.  

    2. Email Ballots/ RSVP- To get a true number of who would be voting, RSVP's of voting intention would be sent out to citizens, partially as a way of affirming who is actually left to vote and also to save email addresses into the election email system. This will make mass mailings for such events a lot easier in the future. That leads to my third idea-

    3. Voter Registration Numbers- Each citizen would be assigned a number they sign the end of their ballots with a long with their names. These numbers would be sent individually and in confidence to each voter whom has RSVP'd and would be kept confidential- this might help curb double voting.

        ATS:  We already have such numbers (actually numbers and letters), called voter codes.  

    I know this is probably not an adequate enough solution, but it might be good if one is trying to save money and have a simple solution that would take the average person (a dunce like me, lol) about 2 days to set up.

        ATS:  We vote by tribes and centuries, not individually.  The tribes and centuries are something like voting precincts, but they give only one vote to a candidate, not the sum total of all votes in any given tribe or century.  Thus if Titus Titius wins Tribe One or Century One, he gets one vote, not the total number of votes for him in that tribe or century.  All voters are sorted into tribes and centuries; the former tend to have about six people in them (though there are four {?} huge ones for the unwashed multitudes), and the centuries have anything from three people on to several hundreds.  Those of us who work for the RP of NR get points which eventually get us put into smaller centuries where our vote counts for more.   We also have three comitia, one of which is barred to patricians, which elect certain magistrates.  The higher magistrates are elected by the Comitia Centuriata, and the lower ones by the Comitia Populi Tributa, while the plebeian magistrates are elected by the Comitia Plebis Tributa.  All three have different rules for their elections.  

        The complexity of our voting system, based on that in ancient Rome, makes it very difficult to set up the voting cista, and would be well-nigh impossible to administer by any simple means.

        I suspect that one or another of our voting officials or higher magistrates will explain this better than I have, given that most of my talents are linguistic, not mathematical, but this should help for the time being.  

        BTW, are you a citizen?  K. is the abbreviation for the strictly male name Caeso, and the rest is Greek, not Latin.  




    Vale Benne,

    K. Pythia Theocritos

     Vale et valete bene.  
      
        

     
       

     
      
        
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62718 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Press Release/To all citizens

    Salve, Rota Hadriane!

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    Keep the good work and your proud Nova Roman citizenship for the glory of the Eternal Rome!

    Cura, ut valeas!

    Cn. Lentulus

    --- Lun 6/4/09, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> ha scritto:
    Da: iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>
    Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Press Release/To all citizens
    A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Data: Lunedì 6 Aprile 2009, 00:26

    SALVE ROTTA!
     
    I wish you success. excelent job and thank you for your dedication to Nova Roma.
     
    VALE BENE,
    T. Iulius Sabinus
    "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius


    --- On Mon, 4/6/09, c.aqvillivs_ rota <c.aqvillivs_ rota@yahoo. com> wrote:

    From: c.aqvillivs_ rota <c.aqvillivs_ rota@yahoo. com>
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Press Release/To all citizens
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:43 AM

    Salve Omnes,
     
     
    This is an official Press Release of Aquillius Rota, proud member of NR.
     
     
     
    I have great News
    from the Province of America Austrorientalis
    for all citizens
    of our Republic!
     
    An appropriate place, dedicated to our Republic, a place to meet and practice is soon available.
     
    The Grand Opening of the first Roman Event Bistro Inn
    on the Continent is close!
     
    Roman Life and Culture - Located in lovely South Carolina
     
    COMING SOON
    Just days away
     
     
     
    For Questions and Information please contact


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62719 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: a. d. VII Eidus Aprilis: The Battle of Thapsus
    M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus cu;toribus Deorum. Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos salvam et servatam volunt

    Hodie est ante diem VII Eidus Aprilis; haec dies nefastus aterque est: Ludi Megalesiaci

    AUC 707 / 46 BCE: The Battle of Thapsus

    Under the former calendar the Battle of Thapsus took place on 6 April. Just to show how far off the Roman calendar had become, after Caesar's reform it would have fallen on 6/7 February.

    Julius Caesar had crossed from Sicily to Hadrumetum, Africa Proconsularis, on 28 Dec. 47 BCE with a small force, relying on speed rather than planning. It almost cost him his army and the war. By April, though, Caesar had secured his position, brought his army up to ten legions, and advanced against the port of Thapsus. By then Caesar's veteran legions were experts in seige warfare. His new recruits were kept busy digging entrenchments as well. Three trench lines sealed off the southern approaches between Utica and Thapsus by the time the Republicans sent a relief column. Caesar was at a disadvantage in cavalry, not only in numbers but also in the kind of Gallic and Germanic cavalry he had compared to the light Numidian cavalry he faced.

    The Republicans, based at Utica, were led by Caecilius Metellus Scipio and Cato the Younger. Like Caesar they had ten legions, with a force of about 40,000 infantry, and a strong cavalry contingent of 2,500 men led by Titus Labienus. Additionally King Juba led a Numidian force, and Metellus Scipio had over sixty war elephants. After days of skirmishing with little result, Metellus Scipio led his army around Caesar's lines to approach Thapsus from the north. Caesar responding by marching his army out for open battle.

    "When Caesar came to the place, he found Scipio's army in order of battle before the intrenchments, the elephants posted on the right and left wings, and part of the soldiers busily employed in fortifying the camp. Upon sight of this disposition, he drew up his army in three lines, placed the tenth and second legions on the right wing, the eighth and ninth on the left, five legions in the center, covered his flanks with five cohorts, posted opposite the elephants, disposed the archers and slingers in the two wings, and intermingled the light-armed troops with his cavalry. He himself on foot went from rank to rank, to rouse the courage of the veterans, putting them in mind of their former victories, and animating them by his kind expressions. He exhorted the new levies who had never yet been in battle to emulate the bravery of the veterans, and endeavor by a victory to attain the same degree of fame, glory, and renown.

    "As he ran from rank to rank, he observed the enemy about the camp very uneasy, hurrying from place to place, at one time retiring behind the rampart, another coming out again in great tumult and confusion. As many others in the army began to observe this, his lieutenants and volunteers begged him to give the signal for battle, as the immortal gods promised him a decisive victory. While he hesitated and strove to repress their eagerness and desires, exclaiming that it was not his wish to commence the battle by a sudden sally, at the same time keeping back his army, on a sudden a trumpeter in the right wing, without Caesar's leave, but compelled by the soldiers, sounded a charge. Upon this all the cohorts began to rush toward the enemy, in spite of the endeavors of the centurions, who strove to restrain them by force, lest they should charge withal the general's order, but to no purpose.

    "Caesar perceiving that the ardor of his soldiers would admit of no restraint, giving "good fortune" for the word, spurred on his horse, and charged the enemy's front. On the right wing the archers and slingers poured their eager javelins without intermission upon the elephants, and by the noise of their slings and stones, so terrified these animals, that turning upon their own men, they trod them down in heaps, and rushed through the half-finished gates of the camp. At the same time the Mauritanian horse, who were in the same wing with the elephants, seeing themselves deprived of their assistance, betook themselves to flight. Whereupon the legions wheeling round the elephants, soon possessed themselves of the enemy's intrenchments, and some few that made great resistance being slain, the rest fled with all expedition to the camp they had quitted the day before.

    "And here we must not omit to notice the bravery of a veteran soldier of the fifth legion. For when an elephant which had been wounded in the left wing, and, roused to fury by the pain, ran against an unarmed sutler, threw him under his feet, and kneeling on him with his whole weight, and brandishing his uplifted trunk, with hideous cries, crushed him to death, the soldier could not refrain from attacking the animal. The elephant, seeing him advance with his javelin in his hand, quitted the dead body of the sutler, and seizing him with his trunk, wheeled him round in the air. But he, amid all the danger, preserving his presence of mind, ceased not with his sword to strike at the elephant's trunk, which enclasped him, and the animal, at last overcome with the pain, quitted the soldier, and fled to the rest with hideous cries.

    "Meanwhile the garrison of Thapsus, either designing to assist their friends, or abandoning the town to seek safety by flight, sallied out by the gate next the sea, and wading navel deep in the water; endeavored to reach the land. But the servants and attendants of the camp, attacking them with darts and stones, obliged them to return to the town. Scipio's forces meanwhile being beaten, and his men fleeing on all sides, the legions instantly began the pursuit, that they might have no time to rally. When they arrived at the camp to which they fled, and where, having repaired it, they hoped to defend themselves they began to think of choosing a commander, to whose, authority and orders they might submit; but finding none on whom they could rely, they threw down their arms, and fled to the king's quarter. Finding this, on their arrival, occupied by Caesar's forces, they retired to a hill, where, despairing of safety, they cast down their arms, and saluted them in a military manner. But this stood them in little stead, for the veterans, transported with rage and anger, not only could not be induced to spare the enemy, but even killed or wounded several citizens of distinction in their own army, whom they upbraided as authors of the war. Of this number was Tullius Rufus the quaestor, whom a soldier designedly ran through with a javelin; and Pompeius Rufus, who was wounded with a sword in the arm, and would doubtless have been slain, had he not speedily fled to Caesar for protection. This made several Roman knights and senators retire from the battle, lest the soldiers, who after so signal a victory assumed an unbounded license, should be induced by the hopes of impunity to wreck their fury on them likewise. In short all Scipio's soldiers, though they implored the protection of Caesar, were in the very sight of that general, and in spite of his entreaties to his men to spare them, without exception put to the sword.

    "Caesar, having made himself master of the enemy's three camps, killed ten thousand, and putting the rest to flight, retreated to his own quarters with the loss of not more than fifty men and a few wounded." ~ C. Julius Caesar, Commentarius de bello Africo 81-86


    Death of Cato

    "When Caesar learned from people who came to him that Cato was remaining in Utica and not trying to escape, but that he was sending off the p409rest, while he himself, his companions, and his son, were fearlessly going up and down, he thought it difficult to discern the purpose of the man, but since he made the greatest account of him, he came on with his army in all haste. When, however, he heard of his death, he said thus much only, as we are told: "O Cato, I begrudge thee thy death; for thou didst begrudge me the honour of sparing thy life." For, in reality, if Cato could have consented to have his life spared by Caesar, he would not be thought to have defiled his own fair fame, but rather to have adorned that of Caesar. However, what would have happened is uncertain; though the milder course is to be conjectured on the part of Caesar." ~ Plutarch, Life of Cato the Younger 72


    Our thought for today is from Epicurus, Vatican Saying 50. (PD 8):

    "No pleasure is a bad thing in itself, but the things which produce certain pleasures entail disturbances many times greater than the
    pleasures themselves."
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62720 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    Livia Valerio sal.

    There are no NR cives in L'Aquila or surroundings. However, that is the area of origin of our citizen Iulia Aquila's family.

    Vale,
    Livia

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola" <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
    >
    > Does anyone know if all of our Italian cives and their friends and family
    > are all ok?
    >
    > Di vos incolumes custodiant.
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62721 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    My condolences to the families and ones affected.
    T. Marcius Quadra
     

     




    From: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 7:23:16 PM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake

    Livia Valerio sal.

    There are no NR cives in L'Aquila or surroundings. However, that is the area of origin of our citizen Iulia Aquila's family.

    Vale,
    Livia

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola" <q.valerius. poplicola@ ...> wrote:
    >
    > Does anyone know if all of our Italian cives and their friends and family
    > are all ok?
    >
    > Di vos incolumes custodiant.
    >


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62722 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Working cista?
    Salve Pompeia,

    pompeia_minucia_tiberia <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...> writes:

    > Assuming we are both correct in our projections, then Agrippa would
    > be obligated to call the Comitia Populi Tributa with respect to
    > repealing laws, correct?

    He, or another Tribune, would have to call the Comitia Populi Tributa
    if the intent was to repeal or modify a law originally passed by that
    body, yes.

    > Meantime: the Tribune could request of the Censores an official
    > ratio of Pats to Plebs. Perhaps the Tribune can call the Comitia
    > Populi Tributa and perhaps he can't.

    Oh, a Tribune can certainly call the Comitia Populi Tributa. That's
    not in question. The 10% rule has to do with plebicita of the Comitia
    Plebis Tributa being able to overrule acts of the Comitia Populi
    Tributa.

    Vale,

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62723 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    Salvete,

    I have not heard anything yet and absence of such news is usually a good thing. I have made enquiries, just waiting now.
    My heart and prayers are with those suffering and those who have lost loved ones and also their families. My prayers are for those who have transitioned in such a way.
    Does anyone know where I might be able to access a stream of news from Italia on the web as the cable channels in the states are rife with commercials and may make a 30 second mention every hour or so regarding the quake. It has been frustrating.

    Valete,

    Julia Aquila
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62724 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> writes:

    > Does anyone know where I might be able to access a stream of news
    > from Italia on the web

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/

    Right now the lead article there, complete with a nice concise
    webcast, is "Italy Hunts For Quake Survivors."


    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62725 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    Salve,

    Thank you Marine,

    Julia Aquila

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
    >
    > L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> writes:
    >
    > > Does anyone know where I might be able to access a stream of news
    > > from Italia on the web
    >
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/
    >
    > Right now the lead article there, complete with a nice concise
    > webcast, is "Italy Hunts For Quake Survivors."
    >
    >
    > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62726 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    Salve Julia,
    you'll find a better wealth of information (with photos and videos) in italian media.
    See www.repubblica.it and www.corriere.it

    VIndex (in Vasto) and Placidus (in Pescara) felt the earthquake, but in their area there has been no damage. It seems L'Aquila is the only city involved.
    Vindex's hotel has been alerted and it will soon start to accept refugees from L'Aquila.

    Vale,
    Livia



    >
    > Salvete,
    >
    > I have not heard anything yet and absence of such news is usually a good thing. I have made enquiries, just waiting now.
    > My heart and prayers are with those suffering and those who have lost loved ones and also their families. My prayers are for those who have transitioned in such a way.
    > Does anyone know where I might be able to access a stream of news from Italia on the web as the cable channels in the states are rife with commercials and may make a 30 second mention every hour or so regarding the quake. It has been frustrating.
    >
    > Valete,
    >
    > Julia Aquila
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62727 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia
    Salvete omnes,
     
    this really is a disaster with devastating effects !
     
    Especially in the area of the city L´Aquila. Half of the city L´Aquila is destroyed and nearlly 100 people have been killed by the
    earth quake.The number is still rising. 1500 are injured and about 50000 homeless.
     
    I just have donated 100 Euro,not a big amount , but all that I can afford currently.
     
    Optime valete
    Titus Flavius Aquila

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62728 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia
    To where are you donating?

    --------------------------------------------------
    From: "Titus Flavius Aquila" <titus.aquila@...>
    Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:23 PM
    To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia

    > Salvete omnes,
    >
    > this really is a disaster with devastating effects !
    >
    > Especially in the area of the city L´Aquila. Half of the city L´Aquila is
    > destroyed and nearlly 100 people have been killed by the
    > earth quake.The number is still rising. 1500 are injured and about 50000
    > homeless.
    >
    > I just have donated 100 Euro,not a big amount , but all that I can afford
    > currently.
    >
    > Optime valete
    > Titus Flavius Aquila
    >
    >
    >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62729 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    Salvete omnes,

    The affected villages are the following:

    San Demetrio, Pizzoli, Rocca di Mezzo, Paganica, Fossa, Villa Sant'Angelo (90% degli edifici crollati), San Gregorio, Poggio Picenza, Onna, San Pio, Barrile, Ocre, Rovere, Rocca di Cambio, Pianola, Poggio di Roio, Tempera, Camarda.

    I just heard Vindex on the phone: more than 40 thousand people have been evacuated from L'Aquila. The whole city is inagible.

    For Vindex it means that his hotel will be full of evacuees from tomorrow. This could pose some problems for the organization of the April activities in Rome, including Feriae Latinae, because we are heavily dependent on Vindex.

    Let's hope he manages to get enough personnel to run the hotel by then.

    I'm flying to Naples on Wednesday. I was planning to visit Vindex after that, before going to Rome on the 16th. Now it seems that my visit will turn into a working holiday, as he needs all the help he can get.

    Valete,
    Livia

    >
    > Salve Julia,
    > you'll find a better wealth of information (with photos and videos) in italian media.
    > See www.repubblica.it and www.corriere.it
    >
    > VIndex (in Vasto) and Placidus (in Pescara) felt the earthquake, but in their area there has been no damage. It seems L'Aquila is the only city involved.
    > Vindex's hotel has been alerted and it will soon start to accept refugees from L'Aquila.
    >
    > Vale,
    > Livia
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    > > Salvete,
    > >
    > > I have not heard anything yet and absence of such news is usually a good thing. I have made enquiries, just waiting now.
    > > My heart and prayers are with those suffering and those who have lost loved ones and also their families. My prayers are for those who have transitioned in such a way.
    > > Does anyone know where I might be able to access a stream of news from Italia on the web as the cable channels in the states are rife with commercials and may make a 30 second mention every hour or so regarding the quake. It has been frustrating.
    > >
    > > Valete,
    > >
    > > Julia Aquila
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62730 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia
    The German Red Cross has asked for donations.


    Von: Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...>
    An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Gesendet: Montag, den 6. April 2009, 20:57:55 Uhr
    Betreff: Re: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia

    To where are you donating?

    ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --
    From: "Titus Flavius Aquila" <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de>
    Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:23 PM
    To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com>
    Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia

    > Salvete omnes,
    >
    > this really is a disaster with devastating effects !
    >
    > Especially in the area of the city L´Aquila. Half of the city L´Aquila is
    > destroyed and nearlly 100 people have been killed by the
    > earth quake.The number is still rising. 1500 are injured and about 50000
    > homeless.
    >
    > I just have donated 100 Euro,not a big amount , but all that I can afford
    > currently.
    >
    > Optime valete
    > Titus Flavius Aquila
    >
    >
    >
    >


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62731 From: M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: OBSTRUCTIONISM AND FILIBUSTERS

    Obstructionism or policy of obstruction denotes the deliberate interference with the progress of a legislation by various means such as filibustering or slow walking which may depend on the respective parliamentary procedures.

    The most common tactic is the filibuster which consists in extending the debate upon a proposal in order to delay or completely prevent a vote on its passage.

    A filibuster, or "talking out a bill", is a form of obstruction in a legislature or other decision-making body. An attempt is made to infinitely extend debate upon a proposal in order to delay the progress or completely prevent a vote on the proposal taking place.

    The term 'filibuster' was first used in 1851. It was derived from the Spanish filibustero meaning 'pirate' or 'freebooter'. This term had in turn evolved from the French word flibustier, which itself evolved from the Dutch vrijbuiter (freebooter). This term was applied at the time to American adventurers, mostly from Southern states, who sought to overthrow the governments of Central American states, and was transferred to the users of the filibuster, seen as a tactic for pirating or hijacking debate.

    One of the earliest known practitioners of the filibuster was the Roman senator Cato the Younger. In debates over legislation he especially opposed, Cato would often obstruct the measure by speaking continuously until nightfall. As the Roman Senate had a rule requiring all business to conclude by dusk, Cato's purposefully long-winded speeches were an effective device to forestall a vote.

    Cato attempted to use the filibuster at least twice to frustrate the political objectives of Julius Caesar. The first incident occurred during the summer of 60 B.C., when Caesar was returning home from his propraetorship in Hispania Ulterior. Caesar, by virtue of his military victories over the raiders and bandits in Hispania, had been awarded a triumph by the Senate. Having recently turned 40, Caesar had also become eligible to stand for consul. This posed a dilemma. Roman generals honored with a triumph were not allowed to enter the city prior to the ceremony, but candidates for the consulship were required, by law, to appear in person at the Forum.[2] The date of the election, which had already been set, made it impossible for Caesar to stand unless he crossed the pomerium and gave up the right to his triumph. Caesar petitioned the Senate to stand in absentia, but Cato employed a filibuster to block the proposal. Faced with a choice between a triumph and the consulship, Caesar chose the consulship and entered the city.

    Cato made use of the filibuster again in 59 B.C. in response to a land reform bill sponsored by Caesar, who was then consul. When it was Cato's time to speak during the debate, he began one of his characteristically prolix speeches. Caesar, who needed to pass the bill before his co-consul, Marcus Calpurnius Bibulus, took possession of the fasces at the end of the month, immediately recognized Cato's intent and ordered the lictors to jail him for the rest of the day. The move was unpopular with many senators and Caesar, realizing his mistake, soon ordered Cato's release. The day was wasted without the Senate ever getting to vote on a motion supporting the bill, but Caesar eventually circumvented Cato's opposition by taking the measure to the Tribal Assembly, where it passed.


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62732 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Working cista?
    Cato Pompeiae Straboni sal.

    Salve Pompeia.

    Thank you for (literally) putting your money where your mouth is. You do a great service to the res publica. Sulla and I will split it with you :)

    Vale,

    Cato
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62733 From: Numero 2 Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia
    I live between Bologna and Florence, on the Appennino Mountains. I felt the earthquake, but here it wasn't so strong.

    The situation in Abruzzo is very hard. It's raining and it's difficult for the helpers.It's cold and night.
    People lost families and everything they had. Terrible.
    There are now 70.000 homelesses. Dead are 150, officially for the moment.
    In Italy are 22.10, and people is going to sleep in the tents made for them and in cars.

    The cooperation machine is still going on. But it's terrible.

    If you want i will inform you.

    Sempronia

    Titus Flavius Aquila ha scritto:
    The German Red Cross has asked for donations.


    Von: Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...>
    An: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    Gesendet: Montag, den 6. April 2009, 20:57:55 Uhr
    Betreff: Re: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia

    To where are you donating?

    ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --
    From: "Titus Flavius Aquila" <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de>
    Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:23 PM
    To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com>
    Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia

    > Salvete omnes,
    >
    > this really is a disaster with devastating effects !
    >
    > Especially in the area of the city L´Aquila. Half of the city L´Aquila is
    > destroyed and nearlly 100 people have been killed by the
    > earth quake.The number is still rising. 1500 are injured and about 50000
    > homeless.
    >
    > I just have donated 100 Euro,not a big amount , but all that I can afford
    > currently.
    >
    > Optime valete
    > Titus Flavius Aquila
    >
    >
    >
    >



    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62734 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia
    Salve Sempronia,
     
    this is really terrible, my hearts and thoughts are with you all !
     
    Vale bene
    Titus Flavius Aquila


    Von: Numero 2 <2@...>
    An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Gesendet: Montag, den 6. April 2009, 22:12:29 Uhr
    Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia

    I live between Bologna and Florence, on the Appennino Mountains. I felt the earthquake, but here it wasn't so strong.

    The situation in Abruzzo is very hard. It's raining and it's difficult for the helpers.It's cold and night.
    People lost families and everything they had. Terrible.
    There are now 70.000 homelesses. Dead are 150, officially for the moment.
    In Italy are 22.10, and people is going to sleep in the tents made for them and in cars.

    The cooperation machine is still going on. But it's terrible.

    If you want i will inform you.

    Sempronia

    Titus Flavius Aquila ha scritto:

    The German Red Cross has asked for donations.


    Von: Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...>
    An: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    Gesendet: Montag, den 6. April 2009, 20:57:55 Uhr
    Betreff: Re: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia

    To where are you donating?

    ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --
    From: "Titus Flavius Aquila" <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de>
    Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:23 PM
    To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com>
    Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Italia

    > Salvete omnes,
    >
    > this really is a disaster with devastating effects !
    >
    > Especially in the area of the city L´Aquila. Half of the city L´Aquila is
    > destroyed and nearlly 100 people have been killed by the
    > earth quake.The number is still rising. 1500 are injured and about 50000
    > homeless.
    >
    > I just have donated 100 Euro,not a big amount , but all that I can afford
    > currently.
    >
    > Optime valete
    > Titus Flavius Aquila
    >
    >
    >
    >




    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62735 From: Christer Edling Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    Salve Amica et salvete Quirites!

    I am very upset and worried. My thoughts and prayers go to our Italian
    citizens and especially their countrymen from L'Aquila! I will cc the
    Praefectus Italiae, the vicepraefectus and the chairman of Pomerium
    and ask the to send mu condoleances and greetings to al citizens of
    Italia.

    ********

    6 apr 2009 kl. 20.21 skrev livia_plauta:

    Salve Julia,
    you'll find a better wealth of information (with photos and videos) in
    italian media.
    See www.repubblica.it and www.corriere.it

    VIndex (in Vasto) and Placidus (in Pescara) felt the earthquake, but
    in their area there has been no damage. It seems L'Aquila is the only
    city involved.
    Vindex's hotel has been alerted and it will soon start to accept
    refugees from L'Aquila.

    Vale,
    Livia



    >
    > Salvete,
    >
    > I have not heard anything yet and absence of such news is usually a
    > good thing. I have made enquiries, just waiting now.
    > My heart and prayers are with those suffering and those who have
    > lost loved ones and also their families. My prayers are for those
    > who have transitioned in such a way.
    > Does anyone know where I might be able to access a stream of news
    > from Italia on the web as the cable channels in the states are rife
    > with commercials and may make a 30 second mention every hour or so
    > regarding the quake. It has been frustrating.
    >
    > Valete,
    >
    > Julia Aquila
    >




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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62736 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Call for candidates
    Salvete

    This is a call for candidates for the vacant position of aedile of the plebs.

    Candidates for aedilis plebis must be citizens in good standing for at least six full months before taking office. They must be of the plebeian order, assidui, and at least 21 years of age by the date of taking office.

    I intend to hold the election from April 26 to April 30.

    You may declare your candidacy by posting to the mailing lists
    nova-roma@yahoogroups.com AND comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com

    May the Gods grant the best of luck to all whom are willing to serve our
    Republic!

    Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
    Tribune of the Plebs
    Senator
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62737 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    Avete Omnes;

    My heart likewise goes out to the Abruzzese affected by this act of nature.

    My great grandfather Michael D'Orazio was born in Civitella Messer
    Raimondo, Chieti Province across the Gran Sasso from L'Aquila. My
    grandfather Antonio D'Orazio was born in Castelmauro, Campobasso
    Province when it was still part of Abruzzi (and he still calls himself
    Abruzzese, not Molisese).

    So, one fourth of my ancestors springs from this land, where I still
    have many cousins.

    As well as asking the Holy Ones to look out for folks, I'll do what I
    can otherwise.

    Thanks to all for the updates, I first heard about this on the radio
    during my drive home fro work today.

    in fides - Venator
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62738 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    Italis amicis s.d.

    All my thoughts are for our sisters and brothers in L'Aquila and in the concerned area. Please, consularis Apulus, be sure that we are with them.

    I join my sympathy to the one expressed by my colleague praetor and senator Marinus.

    As governor Galliae, and de iure pontifex provincialis, I will also ask the gods to keep all these families safe, and to bring them under their roof, and, for those who have lost it, to recover asap a decent shelter.

    Valete Itali et omnes,


    P. Memmius Albucius
    praetor
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62739 From: Matt Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    ---Pompeia civites Italiae sal:

    I, too, would like you to know that I am thinking about the people of this region so devastated by earthquake. L'aquila is in my prayers.

    Valete


    In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Christer Edling <christer.edling@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salve Amica et salvete Quirites!
    >
    > I am very upset and worried. My thoughts and prayers go to our Italian
    > citizens and especially their countrymen from L'Aquila! I will cc the
    > Praefectus Italiae, the vicepraefectus and the chairman of Pomerium
    > and ask the to send mu condoleances and greetings to al citizens of
    > Italia.
    >
    > ********
    >
    > 6 apr 2009 kl. 20.21 skrev livia_plauta:
    >
    > Salve Julia,
    > you'll find a better wealth of information (with photos and videos) in
    > italian media.
    > See www.repubblica.it and www.corriere.it
    >
    > VIndex (in Vasto) and Placidus (in Pescara) felt the earthquake, but
    > in their area there has been no damage. It seems L'Aquila is the only
    > city involved.
    > Vindex's hotel has been alerted and it will soon start to accept
    > refugees from L'Aquila.
    >
    > Vale,
    > Livia
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    > > Salvete,
    > >
    > > I have not heard anything yet and absence of such news is usually a
    > > good thing. I have made enquiries, just waiting now.
    > > My heart and prayers are with those suffering and those who have
    > > lost loved ones and also their families. My prayers are for those
    > > who have transitioned in such a way.
    > > Does anyone know where I might be able to access a stream of news
    > > from Italia on the web as the cable channels in the states are rife
    > > with commercials and may make a 30 second mention every hour or so
    > > regarding the quake. It has been frustrating.
    > >
    > > Valete,
    > >
    > > Julia Aquila
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ------------------------------------
    >
    > Yahoo! Groups Links
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > *****************
    > Vale
    >
    > Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    >
    > Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
    > Civis Romanus sum
    > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
    > ************************************************
    > Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
    > "I'll either find a way or make one"
    > ************************************************
    > Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
    > Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
    > ************************************************
    > Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
    > Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62740 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    Salvete omnes

    Livia, thank you so very much. So far it appears everyone on my end is ok, including a distant cousin who attends the Universita degli Studi dell'Aquila and was away with friends. From what I understand it was felt to the Adriatic coastline and northwards in Italia.

    I am relieved to hear that Vindex, Sempronia and Placidus are ok.
    It is heartbreaking to watch, I will continue to offer prayers.

    Valete

    Julia Aquila

    P.S. For those in the US you can donate at your local Red Cross. Please.

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salve Julia,
    > you'll find a better wealth of information (with photos and videos) in italian media.
    > See www.repubblica.it and www.corriere.it
    >
    > VIndex (in Vasto) and Placidus (in Pescara) felt the earthquake, but in their area there has been no damage. It seems L'Aquila is the only city involved.
    > Vindex's hotel has been alerted and it will soon start to accept refugees from L'Aquila.
    >
    > Vale,
    > Livia
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    > > Salvete,
    > >
    > > I have not heard anything yet and absence of such news is usually a good thing. I have made enquiries, just waiting now.
    > > My heart and prayers are with those suffering and those who have lost loved ones and also their families. My prayers are for those who have transitioned in such a way.
    > > Does anyone know where I might be able to access a stream of news from Italia on the web as the cable channels in the states are rife with commercials and may make a 30 second mention every hour or so regarding the quake. It has been frustrating.
    > >
    > > Valete,
    > >
    > > Julia Aquila
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62741 From: James Hooper Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Caligula - Little Boots
    Salve,
    Highly unlikely he is a decendant of "Caligula" as the only child born to
    Caligula and Caesonia, was a girl Livia Drusilla, who was also killed when her
    father and mother met their deaths.
    Vale,
    Gaius Pompeius Marcellus


    On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:17:30 -0700 (PDT)
    Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...> wrote:
    > Salve Livia,
    > You may find this interesting. I have a friend with the last name Little
    >(sadly he's troubled, his brother committed suicide, and I've done what I can
    >to console him). On a positive note, with my iconographic "eye" I see a
    >strong resemblance of my friend, Mr. Little and existing icons of our
    >troubled, nontheless, Emperor Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
    >"Caligula."
    >
    >
    > To a
    > degree, I believe Mr. Little is a descendant of Caligula. With a
    > spirit of appreciation, I've told him that I think he's a descendant of
    >Caligula, in an effort to
    > subconsciously build his esteem, but also because it seems so. Also, as a
    >unconventional translation Little
    > can be defined as The Light (Litt = light, and le = the).
    >
    >
    >Figuring who
    > a person may be descended from is just one way to enjoy time.
    > Vale,
    > Marci
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    >From: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@...>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:01:04 AM
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: *Stone, J.R. 1996. Latin for the Illiterati, p.197.
    >
    >
    > Salve Marci,
    >
    > to be honest I'm not expert enough in the looks of Roman Emperors to know if
    >you look like one. I'm sure there are others on this list who have a much
    >wider iconographical knowledge.
    >
    > Vale,
    > Livia
    >
    >>
    >> Salve L. Livia Plauta,
    >> In reflecting, its kind of the see a fight, jump in syndrome prevalent among
    >>us romans (its a guy thing). Anyway, I'm glad to be part of the Nova Roma
    >>community.
    >> Benigne dicis*,
    >> Ti.Marce Quadra
    >> P.S. Please give me your brutal honest opinion, like a type casting agent.
    >>See the attachment, my picture; do I look like any of the Roman Emperors? If
    >>yes, which one? Elaborate. TMQ
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> ____________ _________ _________ __
    >> From: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@ ...>
    >> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    >> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 3:43:04 AM
    >> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius
    >>Costa
    >>
    >>
    >> Salve Ti. Marce Quadra,
    >>
    >> welcome to Nova Roma!
    >> You must have guts if all the disgruntled citizens could achieve is to make
    >>you join!
    >> Congratulations!
    >>
    >> And congratulations to S. Antonius Costa too, for being interested in doing
    >>hard work right on joining!
    >>
    >> Valete,
    >> L. Livia Plauta
    >>
    >> >
    >> > Salve Sextus Antonius Costa,
    >> > I am new to the Nova Roma community so please excuse my grammar, as
    >>grammar is specific in Latin though I have lots to learn. My NR name is
    >>Tiberius Marcius Quadra, and I've learned that citizens would address me TI.
    >>MARCI QUADRA.
    >> >
    >> > Like yourself, I observed the similarity with my last name with the Latin
    >>names available. Naming oneself is an important process. Addmitedly, I am
    >>OCD, so it takes me much longer than the average person to get aquainted with
    >>many things. But once I catch on, I tend to maximize my involvement. So I
    >>commend you on your desire to serve the Florida area; salute!
    >> >
    >> > I actually have been observing the Nova Romans since July 3, 2004. It took
    >>the adverse responses of some disgruntled NR citizens to provoke me to
    >>joining. I don't think I'll be vieing for office any time soon, due to my
    >>busy hectic schedule. I bid you macte! in your quest for office.
    >> > Optime vale!
    >> > Ti. Marci Quadra
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > ____________ _________ _________ __
    >> > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@>
    >> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    >> > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:00:23 PM
    >> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > Salve Aureliane,
    >> >
    >> > Thank you once again for welcoming me as a
    >> > civis of AAE. I'm thrilled to find that there are others in this part
    >> > of the country that also enjoy taking part in discussing anything
    >> > Roman. I do hope look forward to helping out and taking part in any
    >> > activities and provincial posts that may present themselves.
    >> > Speaking of this, I noticed that the office of praefectus regio for
    >> > Florida appears as vacant. Is this still the case? If so, what
    >> > necessary steps would one take to apply for the position. Also, what
    >> > exactly does the role entail, and on a day-to-day basis?
    >> >
    >> > Optime vale! :)
    >> >
    >> > S. Anton. Costa
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ aol.com> wrote:
    >> >
    >> > Hope you will be active in the province.
    >> >
    >> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
    >> > Gubenator Am. Austrorientalis
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > -----Original Message-----
    >> > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@gmail. com>
    >> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    >> > Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 2:15 pm
    >> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > Salve,
    >> >
    >> > As this is my first post, I would like to introduce myself to the
    >>republic. My name is Sextus Antonius Costa and I have been a citizen of Nova
    >>Roma for about two months now. I live in the Provincia America
    >>Austrorientalis.
    >> > I have lived in this region all of my life although my ancestry traces
    >>it's roots to Hispania. I look forward to getting in touch with other
    >>citizens in the region and throughout the republic and engaging in all the
    >>fascinating topics that abound on all things Roman.
    >> >
    >> > Vale,
    >> >
    >> > S. Antonius Costa
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > ____________ _________ _________ __
    >> > Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new
    >>Email Toolbar now!
    >> >
    >>
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >

    BB,
    Warrior
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62742 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Yahoo Problems
    Salvete omnes,
    For about a month, I could not send or reply to email on NR lists.
    Everytime I tried, the Yahoo verification page would come up and
    freeze -- meaning I could not enter the letters and numbers into the
    box. Yahoo Tech Support said part of the problem is NR is a high
    volume list and suspicious. I hope this finally gets thru.

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62743 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Yahoo Problems
    Useful numbers!
     

     

    Yahoo! US TECH Support contact information is:
    Yahoo! Inc.
    Phone: (408) 349-3300
    (408)-349-1572
    1 877 469 7847
    Office Hours 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. PST


    --- On Tue, 4/7/09, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:

    From: A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...>
    Subject: Yahoo Problems
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 2:56 AM

    Salvete omnes,
    For about a month, I could not send or reply to email on NR lists.
    Everytime I tried, the Yahoo verification page would come up and
    freeze -- meaning I could not enter the letters and numbers into the
    box. Yahoo Tech Support said part of the problem is NR is a high
    volume list and suspicious. I hope this finally gets thru.


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62744 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2009-04-06
    Subject: Re: Working cista?
    ---


    Salve Marinus Praetor, Salvete Omnes:

    In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
    >
    > (excised material appreciated)
    >

    >
    > >
    >
    > Oh, a Tribune can certainly call the Comitia Populi Tributa. That's
    > not in question.


    Pompeia: Well, it kind of is, really. A Tribune can't call the Comitia Populi Tributa unless the ratio of Patricans to Plebs exceeds 10%.

    To quote the constitution:

    "To call the comitia plebis tributa to order, except when the Patrician order shall constitute more than ten percent (10%) of the total population, in which case the power shall be altered to calling the comitia populi tributa to order."

    End quote-

    Pompeia: And if I read the Tribune's intentions correctly in his post of yesterday, he said he would call the comitia populi tributa if the above ratio prevails, so it would seem that he understands his constitutional parameters and obligations.


    The 10% rule has to do with plebicita of the Comitia
    > Plebis Tributa being able to overrule acts of the Comitia Populi
    > Tributa.

    Pompeia: Yes, it is related for sure, but more explicitly, the 10% or above rule obligates him to the Comitia Populi Tributa. In any event, the Tribune seems to have done his legal homework from what I can see. These law conversations are boring to others so I'll quit here...plus there is a ludi in process. I can only thank Marcus Octavius for coming forth with the cista assistance required, which it would seem was the prime problem, not so much interpretation of the law.
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

    Valete
    Pompeia
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62745 From: southern_pride1872 Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: caligula
    what an interesting subject, heard he made his horse a senator

    Quintus Pompeius Seneca
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62746 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Re: caligula
    C. Petronius Q. Pompeio Senecae s.p.d.,

    Not a senator but a consul.
    It was a joke, it was black humor, because the horse Incitatus, which was not the horse of Caligula but a racing horse very famous, merited the consulship according to this spiritual emperor.

    Vale.

    C. Petronius Dexter
    Also Caligula
    http://www.trigofacile.com/jardins/cucullus/index.htm
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62747 From: MCC Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: CALL FOR CANDIDATES
    I hereby call for candidates to stand for election to the ordinary
    magistracies of the Comitia Centuriata and the Comitia Populi Tributa.

    Anyone wishing to serve in any of these positions must have been a
    citizen for at least six months by Kal. Apr. MMDCCLXII (May 1st, 2009)
    and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen. I will convene the comitia for
    the elections at the end of April, but candidates are welcome to
    announce themselves and begin campaigning if they wish.

    All potential candidates must contact me with their intention to stand
    for office directly by sending a message to M.Curiatius.Complutensis at
    NovaRoma dot org in order to be placed on the ballot. Please include the
    word "candidate" in the subject of the message, and be sure to tell me
    your full Nova Roman name and the office for which you will campaign.
    Simply announcing your candidacy to one of the lists shall not be
    accepted. You must write to me directly.

    Candidacies will be accepted until 21 April 2009 (18.00 hrs CET Rome;
    12.00 hrs EST Philadelphia). The contio is tentatively scheduled to
    begin on 26 April, with the elections to follow tentatively beginning on
    3 May.

    On behalf of the Res Publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae Romae I,
    Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, Senior Consul, hereby issue this call for
    candidates for the following offices:

    I CURULE AEDILE: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May
    1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

    III DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May
    1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

    Datum sub manu mea ante diem VIII Id. Aprilis M. Curiatio M. Iulio
    consulibus, in anno AUC MMDCCLXII.

    M. Curiatius Complutensis
    M. Iulius Severus

    Consules
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62748 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake Donations
    Salvete Quirtes,
     
    I have started today a collection for donations on the website of  my provincia Germania.
     
    The provincia Germania would like to help directly and all donations collected will be transferred to our citizens in
    Italia to help , thus I would be grateful if I could be provided with an bank account in Italia where I could transfer the money
    to.
     
    Maybe it would be an idea as well to create an emergency fund in Nova Roma to help our Quirites in such catastrophes.
     
    Especially in these times we can show our support and affection for each other.
     
    Optime valete
    Titus Flavius Aquila
     

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62749 From: M Iul Perusianus Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake
    thanks Quintiliane amice. And thank you all of you for condolences and
    sympathy

    Milko Anselmi
    Pres. Ass. Pomerium

    -----Messaggio originale-----
    Da: Christer Edling [mailto:christer.edling@...]
    Inviato: lunedi 6 aprile 2009 23.59
    A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Cc: Franciscus Apulus Caesar; Gaius Aurelius Vindex; Marcus Julius
    Perusianus
    Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake


    Salve Amica et salvete Quirites!

    I am very upset and worried. My thoughts and prayers go to our Italian
    citizens and especially their countrymen from L'Aquila! I will cc the
    Praefectus Italiae, the vicepraefectus and the chairman of Pomerium
    and ask the to send mu condoleances and greetings to al citizens of
    Italia.

    ********

    6 apr 2009 kl. 20.21 skrev livia_plauta:

    Salve Julia,
    you'll find a better wealth of information (with photos and videos) in
    italian media.
    See www.repubblica.it and www.corriere.it

    VIndex (in Vasto) and Placidus (in Pescara) felt the earthquake, but
    in their area there has been no damage. It seems L'Aquila is the only
    city involved.
    Vindex's hotel has been alerted and it will soon start to accept
    refugees from L'Aquila.

    Vale,
    Livia



    >
    > Salvete,
    >
    > I have not heard anything yet and absence of such news is usually a
    > good thing. I have made enquiries, just waiting now.
    > My heart and prayers are with those suffering and those who have
    > lost loved ones and also their families. My prayers are for those
    > who have transitioned in such a way.
    > Does anyone know where I might be able to access a stream of news
    > from Italia on the web as the cable channels in the states are rife
    > with commercials and may make a 30 second mention every hour or so
    > regarding the quake. It has been frustrating.
    >
    > Valete,
    >
    > Julia Aquila
    >




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    Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

    Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
    Civis Romanus sum
    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
    ************************************************
    Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
    "I'll either find a way or make one"
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    Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
    Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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    Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
    Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62750 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM Elections April 2762
    EDICTVM CENSORIVM Elections April 2762

    Ex Officio

    Censores Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Gaius Popillius Laenas quiritibus salutem plurimam dicunt.
     
    Marcus Octavius Gracchus is appointed as a scriba to Censores Tiberius Galerius Paulinus and Gaius Popillius Laenas.
     
    In support of Tribune Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa call for candidates for Aedilis Plebis the Censors hereby authorize Marcus Octavius Gracchus to place the voters in their correct tribes for these elections.
     
    Datum sub manibus nostris a.d. VII Id. Apr. MMDCCLXII a.u.c.
     
    Given under our hands this the seventh day of April 2762 A.U.C.
     
    Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Gaius Popillius Laenas
    Censores, Novae Romae
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62751 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake

     A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    Salvete,

    I have not heard anything yet and absence of such news is usually a good thing. I have made enquiries, just waiting now.

        ATS:  My heart goes out to you.  I hope you and your family are well.  This is a horrible thing, and from what I heard on the news tonight, may be followed by one on the San Andreas, which has been making noises of late.  

    My heart and prayers are with those suffering and those who have lost loved ones and also their families. My prayers are for those who have transitioned in such a way.

        ATS:  And so do mine.  How terribly sad!  We have many fine citizens in Italy, whom we hope have been spared, but all must be saddened by this disaster.  The Grex Latine Loquentium has had some posts on this today; I shall paste one immediately below this.

        
    Caesar Santucci Florentinus omnibus sodalibus p. s. d.
    Luget Italia morte tantorum hominum, quorum nonnulli infantes, quos terrae
    motus Aprutinus intermit. Luget interitu filiorum suorum, luget interitu
    honestorum laborantium qui a remotis regionibus venerant, ut agri colturae
    aliisque necessariis artibus operam darent. Luget interitu aliquot
    discipulorum Universitatis Aquilensis. Luget interitu Britannicae puellae
    quae in Aprutio feriarum tempus degebat, et aliorum (si fuissent - quod Deus
    avertat! -) advenarum recreandi se causa in Aprutium conventorum. Luget
    damno praeclaris aedificiis operibusque nobilium artificum.
    Taceant factiones. Sit concordia ordinum. Sit una Mater quae filios adiuvet.
    Salvete omnes.
    Caesar.


        Briefly, in sum he says that Italy mourns the loss of so many people, including several infants...migrant laborers, students at the University of Aquila, a British girl on vacation, and other visitors there for conventions, and mourns the loss of many very famous buildings and works of noble craftsmen.  


    Does anyone know where I might be able to access a stream of news from Italia on the web as the cable channels in the states are rife with commercials and may make a 30 second mention every hour or so regarding the quake. It has been frustrating.

    Valete,

    Julia Aquila

      Vale, et valete.  
        

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62752 From: MCC Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: TERREMOTO IN ITALIA
    Complutensis omnes civibus Italiae SPD

    Salvete amici

    sono ancora shoccato per la notizia del terremoto, tanto in piú perché
    non ho potuto contattare ancora direttamente con tutti i miei amici per
    sapere come stanno.

    Chiedo scusa per non essemi comunicato prima con voi ma purtroppo sono
    stato impegnato.

    Spero di cuore che tutti i cittadini e le sue famiglie siano stati
    protetti dalla Dea Fortuna.

    Curate ut velete omnes

    COMPLVTENSIS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62753 From: MCC Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Re: CALL FOR CANDIDATES (ERRATA CORRIGE)
    ERRATA CORRIGE

    The call of candidates is for the following offices:

    I CURULE AEDILE: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

    II DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

    I CUSTOS: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.





    MCC escribió:
    I hereby call for candidates to stand for election to the ordinary magistracies of the Comitia Centuriata and the Comitia Populi Tributa.

    Anyone wishing to serve in any of these positions must have been a citizen for at least six months by Kal. Apr. MMDCCLXII (May 1st, 2009) and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen. I will convene the comitia for the elections at the end of April, but candidates are welcome to announce themselves and begin campaigning if they wish.

    All potential candidates must contact me with their intention to stand for office directly by sending a message to M.Curiatius.Complutensis at NovaRoma dot org in order to be placed on the ballot. Please include the word "candidate" in the subject of the message, and be sure to tell me your full Nova Roman name and the office for which you will campaign. Simply announcing your candidacy to one of the lists shall not be accepted. You must write to me directly.

    Candidacies will be accepted until 21 April 2009 (18.00 hrs CET Rome; 12.00 hrs EST Philadelphia). The contio is tentatively scheduled to begin on 26 April, with the elections to follow tentatively beginning on 3 May.

    On behalf of the Res Publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae Romae I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, Senior Consul, hereby issue this call for candidates for the following offices:

    I CURULE AEDILE: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

    III DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

    Datum sub manu mea ante diem VIII Id.  Aprilis M. Curiatio  M. Iulio consulibus, in anno AUC MMDCCLXII.

    M. Curiatius Complutensis
    M. Iulius Severus

    Consules


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62754 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    Salvete Quintilianus et Omnes,
    thank you very much to you all for your prayers, we all togheter send our best wishes of a soon recover to all the italian citizens involved in this tragedy. And we offer our help and support to our novaromans living in the region of Abruzzo like Aurelius Vindex which are helping the refugees hosting them in his own hotel.
    The earth quake was felt in all the center Italy, from Rome to Vasto. As you know Italy is a land of earth quake being between two continents and with the presence of many vulcans. This kind of events are not new here but they become tragedies because the italian cities are ancient, composed by old stone houses with no one structure against this events. The last tragedy in San Giuliano di Puglia when many children died in a school for an earth quake is close to L'Aquila.
    This tragedy is breaking the earth of the Nation and all the italian population is helping with money, support and collaboration the population of L'Aquila.
    Please, continue to send your prayers to the victims of this tragedy and thank you very much
     
    Valete
    Fr. Apulus Caesar


    Da: Christer Edling <christer.edling@...>
    A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Cc: Franciscus Apulus Caesar <fraelov@...>; Gaius Aurelius Vindex <g_a_vindex@...>; Marcus Julius Perusianus <peraznanie@...>
    Inviato: Lunedì 6 aprile 2009, 23:58:59
    Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Earth Quake

    Salve Amica et salvete Quirites!

    I am very upset and worried. My thoughts and prayers go to our Italian citizens and especially their countrymen from L'Aquila! I will cc the Praefectus Italiae, the vicepraefectus and the chairman of Pomerium and ask the to send mu condoleances and greetings to al citizens of Italia.

    ********

    6 apr 2009 kl. 20.21 skrev livia_plauta:

    Salve Julia,
    you'll find a better wealth of information (with photos and videos) in italian media.
    See www.repubblica.it and www.corriere.it

    VIndex (in Vasto) and Placidus (in Pescara) felt the earthquake, but in their area there has been no damage. It seems L'Aquila is the only city involved.
    Vindex's hotel has been alerted and it will soon start to accept refugees from L'Aquila.

    Vale,
    Livia



    >
    > Salvete,
    >
    > I have not heard anything yet and absence of such news is usually a good thing. I have made enquiries, just waiting now.
    > My heart and prayers are with those suffering and those who have lost loved ones and also their families. My prayers are for those who have transitioned in such a way.
    > Does anyone know where I might be able to access a stream of news from Italia on the web as the cable channels in the states are rife with commercials and may make
    a 30 second mention every hour or so regarding the quake. It has been frustrating.
    >
    > Valete,
    >
    > Julia Aquila
    >




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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62755 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Re: What Are We Doing?
    Thank you for sharing this. That was awesome.
     
    Maxima Valeria Messallina
     


    --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
    From: Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...>
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] What Are We Doing?
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:44 PM

    http://www.globalpo st.com/dispatch/ italy/090401/ who-says- rome-dead

    Links is good for excellent pictures:

    ROME - Recently, residents and tourists around the Coliseum watched in awe
    as a legion of Roman soldiers marched in unison down Rome's Imperial Avenue.

    "Caesar!" called out the commander in Latin as the legion came to a stop.
    "I, Centurion Lucius Valerius Seianus, have brought your favorite legion
    here to return the scepter of command to your hands!"

    A horn blared as the Centurion placed a large laurel crown on the pedestal
    of the statue of Julius Caesar, the great Roman general who was stabbed to
    death in the Forum 2,053 years that day - March 15, or the "Ides of March."

    As an excited crowd of tourists snapped their cameras, the legion made its
    way to the Roman Forum.

    "It's our way of exporting Rome's history without being boring," said the
    Centurion, whose real name is Giorgio Franchetti. He is president of the
    historical reenactment group, called "SPQR."

    The name is an acronym in Latin from ancient Rome, Senatus Populus Que
    Romanus - meaning the Senate and the People of Rome. With 35 active members
    of all ages, "SPQR" is one of several non-profit associations in Rome
    devoted to experimental archeology.

    "Experimental archeology means putting yourself in the shoes of ancient
    characters who can no longer tell you how they lived," Franchetti said, "to
    experience their struggles in first person."

    Members of the group are not actors. They are passionate Romans who believe
    their approach to archeology helps keep ancient Rome alive, much as Civil
    War reenactors in the U.S. discover history by portraying period characters
    and recreating scenes from another era.

    In addition to studying archeological findings, such as jewels, weapons and
    military equipment, these enthusiasts re-create an entire living environment
    by organizing Roman encampments, gladiator trainings and religious rituals.

    Their devotion to the study and practice of the Roman Empire has turned them
    into a subculture of purists.

    Last summer, when rumors circulated about an idea to build a theme park
    inspired by the Roman Empire, SPQR President Giorgio Franchetti went on
    alert. He feared the plan would provide a superficial rendition of Roman
    life with one goal in mind: making a profit.

    Last month, Rome's Vice Mayor Mauro Cutrufo officially presented a 7 billion
    euro plan (about $9.4 billion) to launch modern tourism in the Eternal City.
    The Roman theme park was among the 23 projects presented.

    "Disneyland Paris attracts 12.5 million visitors every year," Cutrufo said.
    "We want to follow that path."

    While Cutrufo promises historical accuracy and entertainment, experimental
    archeology groups believe that formula will betray the true atmosphere of
    ancient Roman life.

    Sergio Iacomoni, president of "Gruppo Storico Romano," Rome's largest
    experimental archeology club, said that the challenge for accuracy lies in
    the details. "You want Coke? There was no Coke in ancient Rome. Want a beer,
    you can't find that either. That's the whole point," he said.

    SPQR president Franchetti agreed. "In Rome, we have already vulgarized our
    culture by allowing vendors to sell cheap gadgets by our monuments," he
    said. "All we need is a Disneyland-like theme park on ancient Rome to
    complete the picture."

    Iacomoni, whose Roman alter ego is Emperor Nero, said that without a fully
    participatory and strictly realistic experience, the amusement park project
    could fail. "People know fiction all too well and they don't need another
    Hollywood-style rendition of Rome," Iacomoni said.

    While Rome is may become a more modern tourist destination under Cutrufo's
    initiative, the Roman theme park remains just an idea. The city hasn't yet
    found funding for the project. At a recent conference, management from
    Disneyland Paris said that they would not invest.


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62756 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Re: caligula
    Aquila Dexter sal.

    You have my attention now. I have heard Caligula called many things, and I know he saw himself as a god, but this is the first time I have heard him referred to as "spiritual." Can you explain please?
    Gratias,

    Vale,

    Julia Aquila



    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
    >
    > C. Petronius Q. Pompeio Senecae s.p.d.,
    >
    > Not a senator but a consul.
    > It was a joke, it was black humor, because the horse Incitatus, which was not the horse of Caligula but a racing horse very famous, merited the consulship according to this spiritual emperor.
    >
    > Vale.
    >
    > C. Petronius Dexter
    > Also Caligula
    > http://www.trigofacile.com/jardins/cucullus/index.htm
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62757 From: irinasergia Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Re: TERREMOTO IN ITALIA


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, MCC <complutensis@...> wrote:
    >
    > Complutensis omnes civibus Italiae SPD
    >
    > Salvete amici
    >
    > sono ancora shoccato per la notizia del terremoto, tanto in piú perché
    > non ho potuto contattare ancora direttamente con tutti i miei amici per
    > sapere come stanno.
    >
    > Chiedo scusa per non essemi comunicato prima con voi ma purtroppo sono
    > stato impegnato.
    >
    > Spero di cuore che tutti i cittadini e le sue famiglie siano stati
    > protetti dalla Dea Fortuna.

    > Curate ut velete omnes
    >
    > COMPLVTENSIS
    >

     

    Salvete!

    Si, siamo tutti molto tristi per quello che e accaduto in Italia.

    Da ieri mattina quando ho saputo la notizia del terremoto, penso quasi continuamente alla gente che ha subito questa disgrazia, e per cui mi dispiace tantissimo.

    Valete!

    Quinta Sergia Alba


     

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62758 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Candidacy for Aedilis Plebis
    Publius Constantinus Placidus S.P.D.

    I hereby announce my candidacy for the vacant position of Aedilis Plebis. I was born on December 21, 1970, I am a Nova Roman Assiduus citizen since 2006 and I have already served in the same position for the years 2007 and 2008.

    Optime valete omnes,
    P. Con. Placidus
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62759 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Re: What Are We Doing?
    More importantly, if these guys can do this with just two score, what are
    doing with hundreds? Why aren't we doing this? What's going on with Nova
    Roma.

    --------------------------------------------------
    From: "Maxima Valeria Messallina" <violetphearsen@...>
    Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:29 AM
    To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] What Are We Doing?

    > Thank you for sharing this. That was awesome.
    >
    > Maxima Valeria Messallina
    >
    >
    >
    > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...>
    > wrote:
    >
    > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...>
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] What Are We Doing?
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:44 PM
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > http://www.globalpo st.com/dispatch/ italy/090401/ who-says- rome-dead
    >
    > Links is good for excellent pictures:
    >
    > ROME - Recently, residents and tourists around the Coliseum watched in awe
    > as a legion of Roman soldiers marched in unison down Rome's Imperial
    > Avenue.
    >
    > "Caesar!" called out the commander in Latin as the legion came to a stop.
    > "I, Centurion Lucius Valerius Seianus, have brought your favorite legion
    > here to return the scepter of command to your hands!"
    >
    > A horn blared as the Centurion placed a large laurel crown on the pedestal
    > of the statue of Julius Caesar, the great Roman general who was stabbed to
    > death in the Forum 2,053 years that day - March 15, or the "Ides of
    > March."
    >
    > As an excited crowd of tourists snapped their cameras, the legion made its
    > way to the Roman Forum.
    >
    > "It's our way of exporting Rome's history without being boring," said the
    > Centurion, whose real name is Giorgio Franchetti. He is president of the
    > historical reenactment group, called "SPQR."
    >
    > The name is an acronym in Latin from ancient Rome, Senatus Populus Que
    > Romanus - meaning the Senate and the People of Rome. With 35 active
    > members
    > of all ages, "SPQR" is one of several non-profit associations in Rome
    > devoted to experimental archeology.
    >
    > "Experimental archeology means putting yourself in the shoes of ancient
    > characters who can no longer tell you how they lived," Franchetti said,
    > "to
    > experience their struggles in first person."
    >
    > Members of the group are not actors. They are passionate Romans who
    > believe
    > their approach to archeology helps keep ancient Rome alive, much as Civil
    > War reenactors in the U.S. discover history by portraying period
    > characters
    > and recreating scenes from another era.
    >
    > In addition to studying archeological findings, such as jewels, weapons
    > and
    > military equipment, these enthusiasts re-create an entire living
    > environment
    > by organizing Roman encampments, gladiator trainings and religious
    > rituals.
    >
    > Their devotion to the study and practice of the Roman Empire has turned
    > them
    > into a subculture of purists.
    >
    > Last summer, when rumors circulated about an idea to build a theme park
    > inspired by the Roman Empire, SPQR President Giorgio Franchetti went on
    > alert. He feared the plan would provide a superficial rendition of Roman
    > life with one goal in mind: making a profit.
    >
    > Last month, Rome's Vice Mayor Mauro Cutrufo officially presented a 7
    > billion
    > euro plan (about $9.4 billion) to launch modern tourism in the Eternal
    > City.
    > The Roman theme park was among the 23 projects presented.
    >
    > "Disneyland Paris attracts 12.5 million visitors every year," Cutrufo
    > said.
    > "We want to follow that path."
    >
    > While Cutrufo promises historical accuracy and entertainment, experimental
    > archeology groups believe that formula will betray the true atmosphere of
    > ancient Roman life.
    >
    > Sergio Iacomoni, president of "Gruppo Storico Romano," Rome's largest
    > experimental archeology club, said that the challenge for accuracy lies in
    > the details. "You want Coke? There was no Coke in ancient Rome. Want a
    > beer,
    > you can't find that either. That's the whole point," he said.
    >
    > SPQR president Franchetti agreed. "In Rome, we have already vulgarized our
    > culture by allowing vendors to sell cheap gadgets by our monuments," he
    > said. "All we need is a Disneyland-like theme park on ancient Rome to
    > complete the picture."
    >
    > Iacomoni, whose Roman alter ego is Emperor Nero, said that without a fully
    > participatory and strictly realistic experience, the amusement park
    > project
    > could fail. "People know fiction all too well and they don't need another
    > Hollywood-style rendition of Rome," Iacomoni said.
    >
    > While Rome is may become a more modern tourist destination under Cutrufo's
    > initiative, the Roman theme park remains just an idea. The city hasn't yet
    > found funding for the project. At a recent conference, management from
    > Disneyland Paris said that they would not invest.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62760 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Candidacy for Aedilis Curulis
    C. Equitius Cato omnibus in for SPD

    Salvete.

    I hereby declare my candidacy for curule aedile. I have been a citizen - with a two week break as you are all aware - since ante diem XVI Kalendas Martias 2757 a.U.c. (17 March 2004). I have served as quaestor, praetor and previously as curule aedile, so I am familiar with the workings of the magistracy.

    I have worked closely in the past with the current curule aedile Gn. Iulius Caesar - although interestingly we started as sparring opponents in this Forum many years ago - and I think it fair to say that we have several common goals and interests in the workings of the aedileship and the res publica as a whole.

    I am, as you have seen, stubborn, loud, and as absolutely dedicated to the rule of law as our ancient precursors were. You have my promise that I will do everything in my power to advance and sustain the res publica in the spirit and letter of our law.

    Valete,

    C. Equitius Cato
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62761 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: My Candidacy for Aedilis Curulis
     Q. Fabius Maximus Omnibus SPD

    Salvete.
     
    I declare I'll stand for Curule Aedile.  I held the office once before, appointed by the Dictator F. Vedius Germanicus, and during my tenure I defined the RPG style of Gladiator Games we use today.
    I know the current curule aedile Gn. Iulius Caesar, we were members of the same political faction for years and I consider him a friend.  I have held all the magisterial offices of the Honorum except Censor.  I have been a citizen of NR ten years, a Senator for eight.   I have never resigned from offices.
     
    I believe in the rule of law.  I believe that no one is above the law, but everybody makes mistakes.  It is up to magistrates to recognize these and correct them. 
     
    Valete

     
     


    Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62762 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Re: Caligula - Little Boots
    Salve G. Pompeius Marcellus,
    I'm still learning the Latin grammer rules, so sorry if I wrote your name incorrectly.
    Ahh, my friend.. here an enigma. We learn that Caligula had only one daughter. But I imagine that of all his procreative years, there must be at least one bastard (legal term, used with respect) born of his loin undocumented.

    I myself, at age 40 have at least three bastards. Many great people have children born out of wed lock; just ask Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln
    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Blood_and_the_Holy_Grail)

    However, I do share your view that it is unlikely (just not impossible).

    T. Marcius Quadra




    From: James Hooper <warrior44_us@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 10:50:28 AM
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Caligula - Little Boots

    Salve,
    Highly unlikely he is a decendant of "Caligula" as the only child born to
    Caligula and Caesonia, was a girl Livia Drusilla, who was also killed when her
    father and mother met their deaths.
    Vale,
    Gaius Pompeius Marcellus

    On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:17:30 -0700 (PDT)
    Robin Marquardt <remarq777@yahoo. com> wrote:

    > Salve Livia,
    > You may find this interesting. I have a friend with the last name Little
    >(sadly he's troubled, his brother committed suicide, and I've done what I can
    >to console him). On a positive note, with my iconographic "eye" I see a
    >strong resemblance of my friend, Mr. Little and existing icons of our
    >troubled, nontheless, Emperor Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
    >"Caligula."
    >
    >
    > To a
    > degree, I believe Mr. Little is a descendant of Caligula. With a
    > spirit of appreciation, I've told him that I think he's a descendant of
    >Caligula, in an effort to
    > subconsciously build his esteem, but also because it seems so. Also, as a
    >unconventional translation Little
    > can be defined as The Light (Litt = light, and le = the).
    >
    >
    >Figuring who
    > a person may be descended from is just one way to enjoy time.
    > Vale,
    > Marci
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ____________ _________ _________ __
    >From: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@ gmail.com>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:01:04 AM
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: *Stone, J.R. 1996. Latin for the Illiterati, p.197.
    >
    >
    > Salve Marci,
    >
    > to be honest I'm not expert enough in the looks of Roman Emperors to know if
    >you look like one. I'm sure there are others on this list who have a much
    >wider iconographical knowledge.
    >
    > Vale,
    > Livia
    >
    >>
    >> Salve L. Livia Plauta,
    >> In reflecting, its kind of the see a fight, jump in syndrome prevalent among
    >>us romans (its a guy thing). Anyway, I'm glad to be part of the Nova Roma
    >>community.
    >> Benigne dicis*,
    >> Ti.Marce Quadra
    >> P.S. Please give me your brutal honest opinion, like a type casting agent.
    >>See the attachment, my picture; do I look like any of the Roman Emperors? If
    >>yes, which one? Elaborate. TMQ
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> ____________ _________ _________ __
    >> From: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@ ...>
    >> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    >> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 3:43:04 AM
    >> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: From: Tiberius Marcius Quadra To: Sextus Antonius
    >>Costa
    >>
    >>
    >> Salve Ti. Marce Quadra,
    >>
    >> welcome to Nova Roma!
    >> You must have guts if all the disgruntled citizens could achieve is to make
    >>you join!
    >> Congratulations!
    >>
    >> And congratulations to S. Antonius Costa too, for being interested in doing
    >>hard work right on joining!
    >>
    >> Valete,
    >> L. Livia Plauta
    >>
    >> >
    >> > Salve Sextus Antonius Costa,
    >> > I am new to the Nova Roma community so please excuse my grammar, as
    >>grammar is specific in Latin though I have lots to learn. My NR name is
    >>Tiberius Marcius Quadra, and I've learned that citizens would address me TI.
    >>MARCI QUADRA.
    >> >
    >> > Like yourself, I observed the similarity with my last name with the Latin
    >>names available. Naming oneself is an important process. Addmitedly, I am
    >>OCD, so it takes me much longer than the average person to get aquainted with
    >>many things. But once I catch on, I tend to maximize my involvement. So I
    >>commend you on your desire to serve the Florida area; salute!
    >> >
    >> > I actually have been observing the Nova Romans since July 3, 2004. It took
    >>the adverse responses of some disgruntled NR citizens to provoke me to
    >>joining. I don't think I'll be vieing for office any time soon, due to my
    >>busy hectic schedule. I bid you macte! in your quest for office.
    >> > Optime vale!
    >> > Ti. Marci Quadra
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > ____________ _________ _________ __
    >> > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@>
    >> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    >> > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:00:23 PM
    >> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > Salve Aureliane,
    >> >
    >> > Thank you once again for welcoming me as a
    >> > civis of AAE. I'm thrilled to find that there are others in this part
    >> > of the country that also enjoy taking part in discussing anything
    >> > Roman. I do hope look forward to helping out and taking part in any
    >> > activities and provincial posts that may present themselves.
    >> > Speaking of this, I noticed that the office of praefectus regio for
    >> > Florida appears as vacant. Is this still the case? If so, what
    >> > necessary steps would one take to apply for the position. Also, what
    >> > exactly does the role entail, and on a day-to-day basis?
    >> >
    >> > Optime vale! :)
    >> >
    >> > S. Anton. Costa
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ aol.com> wrote:
    >> >
    >> > Hope you will be active in the province.
    >> >
    >> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
    >> > Gubenator Am. Austrorientalis
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > -----Original Message-----
    >> > From: Ron Acosta <raa914@gmail. com>
    >> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    >> > Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 2:15 pm
    >> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] A New Citizen's Greetings
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > Salve,
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    >>it's roots to Hispania. I look forward to getting in touch with other
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62763 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Re: caligula
    C. Dexter Juliae Aquilae s.p.d.,

    > You have my attention now. I have heard Caligula called many things, and I know he saw himself as a god, but this is the first time I have heard him referred to as "spiritual." Can you explain please?

    I am not sure that my English can develop all the depth of my mind. So I shall be short. But it is manifeste that the "madness" of Caligula was in fact black humour. Many things related by Suetonius are witticism turned into madness.

    Albert Camus in his play "Caligula" shows that very well. This witticism actually was not funny, but cruel, because he had around him many cowards.

    Cura ut valeas.
    C. Petronius Dexter
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62764 From: C. Stricklin Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Earth Quake
    Salvete Omnes
     
     
    I hope everyone is well myself.
     
     
    However I do worry about the historic sites in the area and hope nothing is damaged too much.
     
     
    It looks like the world is pitching in, that is good. Hopefully the situation is resolved as soon as possible and the human crisis is over with.
     
     
    Who knows though maybe some good will come of this natural disaster, maybe some new historic sites will be unearthed.
     
     
    S.V.B.E.E.V.
     
    Optime Valete
     
    T. Ovidius Aquila
     
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62765 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Ludi Megalenses: Certamen Historicum - Day 2 & 3 (Part 1)
    Cn. Iulius Caesar aedilis curulis, omnibus Quiritibus sal.

    Below are the questions (delayed) for Day 2 (6th April). Today's questions will follow shortly. Remember in this Ludi contestants can submit answers to previous day's questions right up until the posted close time/date.

    See here for previous day's questions:

    http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Megalenses_2762_AUC_%28Nova_Roma%29

    Good luck to all contestants!

    Optime valete

    Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
    Aedilis Curulis
    Senator
    Legatus pro praetore Canada Ulterioris


    RULES:

    1. Each correct answer is worth 1 point. An extra point may be awarded for an especially detailed and excellent answer.
    2. Answers are to be sent to my e-mail address ( gn_iulius_caesar @ yahoo.com ) before 12.01 am MT - Mountain Time (GMT -7hrs / CET -8hrs) April 10th.
    3. My decision is final in interpreting what is and what isn't a correct answer.

    QUESTIONS - DAY 2 (April 6th)

    Q11. The adopted son of the ruler of the city of Gordium is famous for his connection with Cybele and for another less noble reason.
    (a) What was the connection with Cybele?
    (b) What was the less noble reason?

    Q12. An object removed to Rome in 210 BCE came from where?

    Q13. The mad driver of a lion chariot connected with Cybele was who?

    Q14. A defiler of a ceremony of the Good Goddess, had a sister. She had a lover who had a connection with Cybele. What is the name of that lover?

    Q15. The lover is also known for his connection to Cybele by a number. What is it?

    Q16. In the first and second years following the removal of Cybele to Rome, two battles were fought and won by the victor of Ilipa in Hispania. The first captured a city and the second failed to stop a march to Italia. What were the names and years of those battles?

    Q17. What is the connection to Cybele between a purchase made by Lucius Tarquinius Superbus and the Pythia?

    Q18. After a fire in 288 CE what was rebuilt that had a connection to Cybele?

    Q19.A festival commemorating the death and rebirth into a pine tree was called what in the Augustan History?

    Q20. What did Theodore the Recruit do instead of reflecting?
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62766 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Candidacy for Diribitor
    Salvete,

    I, Marcus Cornelius Gualterus Graecus, hereby announce my candidacy for diribitor. I have been a citizen since 2002, although, I took a long break in between and so never before tried for any magistracy. This time I thought I'd jump in and appropriately start at the bottom. ;)

    Valete,

    Gualterus Graecus
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62767 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Candidacy as Aedilis Curulis
    Publius Constantinus Placidus omnibus civibus S.P.D.

    I hereby declare my candidacy for the office of Aedilis Curulis.
    I am38 years old and an Assiduus Nova Roman citizen since 2003. I amcurrently working, for my third consecutive year, as a scribe for theCensorial Cohors - this year for Gaius Popilius Laenas and TitusGalerius Paulinus; also, in my own Provincia, I currently work aspromoter, treasurer, translator and scribe for the Curia Italica. Ihave served as Aedilis Plebis during the years 2007 and 2008, so I havedeep knowledge of how the office works and of all the tasks that are tobe performed in the Aedilitas.

    Bene valete,
    P. Con. Placidus

    P.S. My previous candidacy, already posted on this list, as Aedilis Plebis, is, if possible, to be considered still valid, even if,  of course, I can be voted only for one magistracy.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62768 From: Ron Acosta Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Candidate for Diribitor
    Salvete Omnes!

    I, Sextvs Antonivs Costa, would like to formally submit my name on the ballot for the position of diribitor. I am 27 years old and just as in antiquity (as it states on the Nova Roma site entry on diribitores), I have also completed military service. I have been a member a citizen since Oct. of 2008 and although I will have barely made the 6 month citizenship requirement by Kal. Apr. MMDCCLXII (May 1, 2009), I feel that I am more than qualified for the job.


     Valete bene,

       S. Antonivs Costa
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62769 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Ludi Megalenses: Certamen Historicum - Day 2 & 3 (Part 2)
    Cn. Iulius Caesar aedilis curulis, omnibus Quiritibus sal.

    Below are the questions for today, Day 3 (7th April). Remember in this Ludi contestants can submit answers to previous day's questions right up until the posted close time/date.

    See here for previous day's questions:

    http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Megalenses_2762_AUC_%28Nova_Roma%29

    Good luck to all contestants!

    Optime valete

    Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
    Aedilis Curulis
    Senator
    Legatus pro praetore Canada Ulterioris


    RULES:

    1. Each correct answer is worth 1 point. An extra point may be awarded for an especially detailed and excellent answer.
    2. Answers are to be sent to my e-mail address ( gn_iulius_caesar @ yahoo.com )before 12.01 am MT - Mountain Time (GMT -7hrs / CET -8hrs) April 10th.
    3. My decision is final in interpreting what is and what isn't a correct answer.

    QUESTIONS - DAY 3 (April 7th)

    Q21. A track between the Aventine and Palatine hills has a connection to Cybele. What is it?

    Q22. The correct answer to Q21 has a date associated with it. What is the date?

    Q23. Julia Augusta had a visual connection with Cybele. What was it and whose wife was she?

    Q24. Six years before the removal to Rome of Cybele, a battle was fought near the Aufidus River. What was the name and date of the battle?

    Q25. The patron of Carchemish was indentified in a paper published by Mark Munn in 2004 as having an important home in Lydia.
    (a) Who was the patron of Carchmish?
    (b) What the home in Lydia?

    Q26. In Archaic Phrygian images of Cybele she is portrayed as wearing a sertain type of hat. What was its shape and what is its name?

    Q27. What is the connection between the actress Polly Walker and Cybele?

    Q28. What is the connection between the actress Kerry Condon and Cybele?

    Q29. What was a cheaper rite of Magna Mater involving a ram called?

    Q30. The cult of the Magna Mater was fully accepted into Roman life and customs by the time of a successor to Augustus' family cognomen. Who was this person giving his full Roman name?
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62770 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Re: Earth Quake
    Salvete Omnes,
     
    Of course, my heart goes out to all who have suffered in that earthquake, and especially to those who have lost their loved ones and/or their homes.  I heard a comment on NPR (which I have on in my shop all day) that most of the buildings which collapsed were modern, built in the last 20 or 30 years, although many were severely damaged.  Interestingly, they mentioned that those built by the ancient Romans ... withstood everything relatively well.  At any rate, I do hope things settle down, geologically, for a good long time, and that people get the help they need.
     
    Valete Bene,
    C. Maria Caeca
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62771 From: livia_plauta Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Earth Quake
    Salve Maria,
    yes, being rather quake-proof is one of the outstanding features of roman architecture.
    I was exactly thinking about that today, wondering what the big difference is between their architecture and the medieval one, which is a bit more subjected to collapse (never as much as modern buildings, though).


    Flavi Aquila,
    I'm sure we will find some use for the money you will collect, but you should decide the destination. It can't be used directly to help NR cives, because none were affected (today's news is that L. Quirinus Vesta's son survived because the building he was sleeping in didn't collapse).
    In a few days I will be helping take care of the evacuees in Vindex' hotel. Then, if nobody has done so in the meanwhile, I will let you know some options of where to send the money. We can either destinate it to help directly those hosted in Vindex's hotel, or maybe the best solution would be to give it to one of the non-profit organizations working to help the victims.

    Optime valete,
    Livia

    >
    > Salvete Omnes,
    >
    > Of course, my heart goes out to all who have suffered in that earthquake, and especially to those who have lost their loved ones and/or their homes. I heard a comment on NPR (which I have on in my shop all day) that most of the buildings which collapsed were modern, built in the last 20 or 30 years, although many were severely damaged. Interestingly, they mentioned that those built by the ancient Romans ... withstood everything relatively well. At any rate, I do hope things settle down, geologically, for a good long time, and that people get the help they need.
    >
    > Valete Bene,
    > C. Maria Caeca
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 62772 From: Titus Annaeus Regulus Date: 2009-04-07
    Subject: Re: CALL FOR CANDIDATES
    I will not be 21 years old until May 4, 2009. How close! Perhaps next year I will run. Best of luck to all the candidates, especially the best one! (whoever that proves to be)
     
    Valete,
    T. Annaeus Regulus

    From: MCC
    Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:11 AM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] CALL FOR CANDIDATES

    I hereby call for candidates to stand for election to the ordinary
    magistracies of the Comitia Centuriata and the Comitia Populi Tributa.

    Anyone wishing to serve in any of these positions must have been a
    citizen for at least six months by Kal. Apr. MMDCCLXII (May 1st, 2009)
    and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen. I will convene the comitia for
    the elections at the end of April, but candidates are welcome to
    announce themselves and begin campaigning if they wish.

    All potential candidates must contact me with their intention to stand
    for office directly by sending a message to M.Curiatius. Complutensis at
    NovaRoma dot org in order to be placed on the ballot. Please include the
    word "candidate" in the subject of the message, and be sure to tell me
    your full Nova Roman name and the office for which you will campaign.
    Simply announcing your candidacy to one of the lists shall not be
    accepted. You must write to me directly.

    Candidacies will be accepted until 21 April 2009 (18.00 hrs CET Rome;
    12.00 hrs EST Philadelphia) . The contio is tentatively scheduled to
    begin on 26 April, with the elections to follow tentatively beginning on
    3 May.

    On behalf of the Res Publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae Romae I,
    Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, Senior Consul, hereby issue this call for
    candidates for the following offices:

    I CURULE AEDILE: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May
    1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

    III DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May
    1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

    Datum sub manu mea ante diem VIII Id. Aprilis M. Curiatio M. Iulio
    consulibus, in anno AUC MMDCCLXII.

    M. Curiatius Complutensis
    M. Iulius Severus

    Consules