Ah, a wicked thought: maybe we should work like religious organizations everywhere, and only provide help to those who follow our religion (in our case Religio Romana).

Want help? Then you have to take part in a banquet and eat meat of sacrificed animals. Vindex did say (before the event) that he has the possibility to organize an animal sacrifice.

Valete,
Livia

>
> Salve Maria,
> yes, being rather quake-proof is one of the outstanding features of roman architecture.
> I was exactly thinking about that today, wondering what the big difference is between their architecture and the medieval one, which is a bit more subjected to collapse (never as much as modern buildings, though).
>
>
> Flavi Aquila,
> I'm sure we will find some use for the money you will collect, but you should decide the destination. It can't be used directly to help NR cives, because none were affected (today's news is that L. Quirinus Vesta's son survived because the building he was sleeping in didn't collapse).
> In a few days I will be helping take care of the evacuees in Vindex' hotel. Then, if nobody has done so in the meanwhile, I will let you know some options of where to send the money. We can either destinate it to help directly those hosted in Vindex's hotel, or maybe the best solution would be to give it to one of the non-profit organizations working to help the victims.
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
> >
> > Salvete Omnes,
> >
> > Of course, my heart goes out to all who have suffered in that earthquake, and especially to those who have lost their loved ones and/or their homes. I heard a comment on NPR (which I have on in my shop all day) that most of the buildings which collapsed were modern, built in the last 20 or 30 years, although many were severely damaged. Interestingly, they mentioned that those built by the ancient Romans ... withstood everything relatively well. At any rate, I do hope things settle down, geologically, for a good long time, and that people get the help they need.
> >
> > Valete Bene,
> > C. Maria Caeca
> >
>

Cn. Iulius Caesar aedilis curulis, omnibus Quiritibus sal.

I thought I would point out that the answers to all the questions can be found with a little bit of basic research on the internet in one of the most popular research tools <hint> :)

Remember this ludi you can catch up and answer previous day's questions right up until the close of the competition.

I will give a personal prize of:

5 Issue 2 "Quadriga" Nova Roman Sestertius Signum for 1st place
3 Issue 2 "Quadriga" Nova Roman Sestertius Signum for 2nd place
2 Issue 2 "Quadriga" Nova Roman Sestertius Signum for 3rd place

In the event of a tie for any of the above places tie breaker questions will be used.

Those in first, second or third place who wish to receive the coins will have to supply me, via private email, with their macronational names and a mailing address.

http://novaroma.org/nr/Sestertius_Signum#Issue_2_.22Quadriga.22

Optime valete

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
Aedilis Curulis
Senator
Legatus pro praetore Canada Ulterioris

Salve Dexter,

Forgive me but I have this head cold and under normal circumstances I would recognize your cadence amici. Worse I posed the question with the same wide-eyed guileness that can often get one mercilessly attacked here on the ML. *laugh* I did see the link with the "joci" but I think my fever kept me from putting two and two together.
Now here is a link that is a very strange link that a friend sent me having to do with Caligula, I will not say anymore but leave it to our readers to read for themselves:
http://www.divineloveministry.org/famouspeople/caligula.htm

Gratias et cura ut valeas,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Dexter Juliae Aquilae s.p.d.,
>
> > You have my attention now. I have heard Caligula called many things, and I know he saw himself as a god, but this is the first time I have heard him referred to as "spiritual." Can you explain please?
>
> I am not sure that my English can develop all the depth of my mind. So I shall be short. But it is manifeste that the "madness" of Caligula was in fact black humour. Many things related by Suetonius are witticism turned into madness.
>
> Albert Camus in his play "Caligula" shows that very well. This witticism actually was not funny, but cruel, because he had around him many cowards.
>
> Cura ut valeas.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.

Salve.

What a horrible despicable disgusting

LOL just kidding. That was an...interesting little voyage into the unpredictable!

It's odd one another hand as well because Caligula isn't particularly known for a general persecution of Christians. It seems like it was senators he went after, mostly. And their wives. And daughters. And sons.

And we know the Jews really irritated him because they wouldn't worship him.

Vale,

Cato

  A. Tullia Scholastica T. Annaeo Regulo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

  

I will not be 21 years old until May 4, 2009. How close! Perhaps next year I will run.

    ATS:  Sometimes exceptions are made when the 21st (or other qualifying) birthday is so close to the date of assumption of office.  You might want to ask for an exemption.  


Best of luck to all the candidates, especially the best one! (whoever that proves to be)

Valete,
T. Annaeus Regulus


Vale, et valete.  



From: MCC <mailto:complutensis@...>  
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:11 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com ; NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com ; NRmagistrates@yahoogroups.com ; Senatus <mailto:SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com>  
Subject: [Nova-Roma] CALL FOR CANDIDATES

I hereby call for candidates to stand for election to the ordinary
magistracies of the Comitia Centuriata and the Comitia Populi Tributa.

Anyone wishing to serve in any of these positions must have been a
citizen for at least six months by Kal. Apr. MMDCCLXII (May 1st, 2009)
and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen. I will convene the comitia for
the elections at the end of April, but candidates are welcome to
announce themselves and begin campaigning if they wish.

All potential candidates must contact me with their intention to stand
for office directly by sending a message to M.Curiatius.Complutensis at
NovaRoma dot org in order to be placed on the ballot. Please include the
word "candidate" in the subject of the message, and be sure to tell me
your full Nova Roman name and the office for which you will campaign.
Simply announcing your candidacy to one of the lists shall not be
accepted. You must write to me directly.

Candidacies will be accepted until 21 April 2009 (18.00 hrs CET Rome;
12.00 hrs EST Philadelphia). The contio is tentatively scheduled to
begin on 26 April, with the elections to follow tentatively beginning on
3 May.

On behalf of the Res Publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae Romae I,
Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, Senior Consul, hereby issue this call for
candidates for the following offices:

I CURULE AEDILE: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May
1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

III DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May
1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

Datum sub manu mea ante diem VIII Id. Aprilis M. Curiatio M. Iulio
consulibus, in anno AUC MMDCCLXII.

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Consules

  
    

Aquila Plautae omnibus sal.

I have no problem whatsoever with animal sacrifice because done properly it is more humane than most methods of getting meat ready for the table. I can even recommend some very good resources, training, for sacred animal sacrifice, including haruspicy and the sacred meal, with no part left unused and put to good use.
I am, however, sensitive to those who are opposed to this for whatever reason and would not impose this on anyone.
If my beliefs on the subject are offensive to anyone, I certainly apologize for being offensive to their sensibilities but not for my beliefs on the subject.

I will assist anyone regardless of their beliefs or how they feel about mine.
That is part of my Religio, my philosophy, and is my way.
Only if they refuse my help will I back away but I doubt those suffering in this horrendous tragedy would ask what religion I am.

I only wish I could go to Italy and help out even if it is to serve those in Vindex's hotel or at one of the evacuee camps.
I urge all who cannot go to Italia to donate at your local Red Cross, here in the states, the American Red Cross:
http://www.redcross.org/
For the International Red Cross:
http://www.icrc.org/
Please designate that your donation is for the L'Aquila Earthquake.
So far the Italian Red Cross has not asked for International help but this could change as, I understand, aftershocks continue to shake the region.
I am keeping the victims and their families, the rescue workers, medical personnel and all who are pitching in my thoughts and prayers,

Vale, et valéte,

Julia Aquila

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Ah, a wicked thought: maybe we should work like religious organizations everywhere, and only provide help to those who follow our religion (in our case Religio Romana).
>
> Want help? Then you have to take part in a banquet and eat meat of sacrificed animals. Vindex did say (before the event) that he has the possibility to organize an animal sacrifice.
>
> Valete,
> Livia

Salvete, Could we change the subject line? I was looking for the latest update of an Aquila on the earthquake. The first thing I read is sacrifice and sacred meal -- shock -- before I realized the topic had changed even though the subject line had not.   Valete, A. Sempronius Regulus --- On Wed, 4/8/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote: From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re:Earth Quake To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 1:19 AM Aquila Plautae omnibus sal. I have no problem whatsoever with animal sacrifice because done properly it is more humane than most methods of getting meat ready for the table. I can even recommend some very good resources, training, for sacred animal sacrifice, including haruspicy and the sacred meal, with no part left unused and put to good use. I am, however, sensitive to those who are opposed to this for whatever reason and would not impose this on anyone. If my beliefs on the subject are offensive to anyone, I certainly apologize for being offensive to their sensibilities but not for my beliefs on the subject. I will assist anyone regardless of their beliefs or how they feel about mine. That is part of my Religio, my philosophy, and is my way. Only if they refuse my help will I back away but I doubt those suffering in this horrendous tragedy would ask what religion I am. I only wish I could go to Italy and help out even if it is to serve those in Vindex's hotel or at one of the evacuee camps. I urge all who cannot go to Italia to donate at your local Red Cross, here in the states, the American Red Cross: http://www.redcross .org/ For the International Red Cross: http://www.icrc. org/ Please designate that your donation is for the L'Aquila Earthquake. So far the Italian Red Cross has not asked for International help but this could change as, I understand, aftershocks continue to shake the region. I am keeping the victims and their families, the rescue workers, medical personnel and all who are pitching in my thoughts and prayers, Vale, et valéte, Julia Aquila --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@ ...> wrote: > > Ah, a wicked thought: maybe we should work like religious organizations everywhere, and only provide help to those who follow our religion (in our case Religio Romana). > > Want help? Then you have to take part in a banquet and eat meat of sacrificed animals. Vindex did say (before the event) that he has the possibility to organize an animal sacrifice. > > Valete, > Livia

Salve Catoni,

>That was an...interesting little voyage into the
>unpredictable!

At least you found words; I was torn between laughter and not wanting to be disrespectful. I will not say which I indulged. But then I am certain that some of my beliefs, as well as yours, have been viewed as a bit odd and illogical as well. The only retort I would have for that is "that's the way uh huh uh I like it."

>It's odd one another hand as well because Caligula isn't >particularly known for a general persecution of Christians.

The link was odd even without that knowledge ;-)

Now I have to go lay down because my sides hurt, uhm, because I have a URI.

Vale,

Julia Aquila

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.
>
> Salve.
>
> What a horrible despicable disgusting
>
> LOL just kidding. That was an...interesting little voyage into the unpredictable!
>
> It's odd one another hand as well because Caligula isn't particularly known for a general persecution of Christians. It seems like it was senators he went after, mostly. And their wives. And daughters. And sons.
>
> And we know the Jews really irritated him because they wouldn't worship him.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

Salve Semproni,

I beleive the topic was quided back to the subject line with little fanfare to the subject of L'Aquila

I repeat the information where one can go to donate:

I only wish I could go to Italy and help out even if it is to serve those in Vindex's hotel or at one of the evacuee camps.
I urge all who cannot go to Italia to donate at your local Red Cross, here in the states, the American Red Cross:
http://www.redcross .org/
For the International Red Cross:
http://www.icrc org/
Please designate that your donation is for the L'Aquila Earthquake.
So far the Italian Red Cross has not asked for International help but this could change as, I understand, aftershocks continue to shake the region.
I am keeping the victims and their families, the rescue workers, medical personnel and all who are pitching in my thoughts and prayers,

Vale,

Julia Aquila

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
> Could we change the subject line? I was looking for the latest update of an Aquila on the earthquake. The first thing I read is sacrifice and sacred meal -- shock -- before I realized the topic had changed even though the subject line had not.
>  
> Valete,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>
> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re:Earth Quake
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 1:19 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Aquila Plautae omnibus sal.
>
> I have no problem whatsoever with animal sacrifice because done properly it is more humane than most methods of getting meat ready for the table. I can even recommend some very good resources, training, for sacred animal sacrifice, including haruspicy and the sacred meal, with no part left unused and put to good use.
> I am, however, sensitive to those who are opposed to this for whatever reason and would not impose this on anyone.
> If my beliefs on the subject are offensive to anyone, I certainly apologize for being offensive to their sensibilities but not for my beliefs on the subject.
>
> I will assist anyone regardless of their beliefs or how they feel about mine.
> That is part of my Religio, my philosophy, and is my way.
> Only if they refuse my help will I back away but I doubt those suffering in this horrendous tragedy would ask what religion I am.
>
> I only wish I could go to Italy and help out even if it is to serve those in Vindex's hotel or at one of the evacuee camps.
> I urge all who cannot go to Italia to donate at your local Red Cross, here in the states, the American Red Cross:
> http://www.redcross .org/
> For the International Red Cross:
> http://www.icrc org/
> Please designate that your donation is for the L'Aquila Earthquake.
> So far the Italian Red Cross has not asked for International help but this could change as, I understand, aftershocks continue to shake the region.
> I am keeping the victims and their families, the rescue workers, medical personnel and all who are pitching in my thoughts and prayers,
>
> Vale, et valéte,
>
> Julia Aquila
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Ah, a wicked thought: maybe we should work like religious organizations everywhere, and only provide help to those who follow our religion (in our case Religio Romana).
> >
> > Want help? Then you have to take part in a banquet and eat meat of sacrificed animals. Vindex did say (before the event) that he has the possibility to organize an animal sacrifice.
> >
> > Valete,
> > Livia
>

V. Rutilia Enodiaria Omnibus SPD

Salvete,

I, Vibia Rutilia Enodiaria declare my candidacy for the office of Diribitor. I am well over the age of 21 (survived the 80's) and an assidui. I've been a member of Nova Roma since 2004, however I was not active for several years because of illness.

While I have held no previous office in Nova Roma, I have practical experience as a precinct captain and election judge. Our state recently went to run-off voting, which was an exciting educational experience. I am on the executive board of our local neighborhood council as well as a state-wide citizen action organization. Recently I completed a tenure with a national citizen organization.

Volunteer organizations function best when all of the parts are given enthusiastic attention. I look forward to learning more about Nova Roma and citizens from the ground level.

Valete!

V. Rutilia Enodiaria

P.S.: The censors have suggested that I find another cognomen, which I'm working on.

---Livia:

I doth protest.

Are you trying to be funny? If so, the joke bombed, big time. What would compel you to write what you did below...where did the need to write it come from? I agree with your appraisal of 'wicked thought'.


I come from a small city of approximately 1/3 Italian ancestry, and our Italian people (and their friends and neighbours here) are quite concerned. Money is being sent from other parts of Canada also. Your suggestion that benefactors of any ilk (because they are not of *your* religion) are therefore asking L'Aquila victims to show their 'catholic card' or their 'star of David' 'pentagram' whatever, before they are assisted from the earthquake rubble, borders on sadistic, and demoralizes and degrades the true intentions of many individuals. ...apparently because, as you write below, these benefactors are behaving like 'religious organizations everywhere'


"like religious organizations everywhere" is a stale propaganda tool, employing a blanket, distorted application of the sincere efforts of many many people... unless of course you are indeed aware of the dynamics of 'religious organizations everywhere' and are accurately attuned to the motivations of persons subsribed to them. But I don't think you are quite that *all knowing*.

I imagine you would like people in this forum to see things as you do, because you wouldn't make these statements otherwise. This is a rather poor time to generate religious argument, regardless of your religious persuasion.

Do you really think cultores should behave this way, based on your subjective insistance that 'religious organizations everywhere' do'? I don't. Even in jest, that's bizarre.


I know you enjoy your religious beliefs, and I don't care what 'religion' you choose, but before you decry the spiritual and moral maturity and motivations of individuals and religions you don't even know, you might want to analyze your own.

I normally ignore your petty religious jabs, but this is not the time and place, for sure.

And I appreciate that you are Italian, and are part of relief effort...this doesn't make your remarks any more appropriate. Especially at this time. And it doesn't make the sincere efforts of others unappreciable.

Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:

>
> Ah, a wicked thought: maybe we should work like religious organizations everywhere, and only provide help to those who follow our religion (in our case Religio Romana).
>
> Want help? Then you have to take part in a banquet and eat meat of sacrificed animals. Vindex did say (before the event) that he has the possibility to organize an animal sacrifice.
>
> Valete,
> Livia
>
>
> >
> [...]
> > >
> >
>

Salve Pompeia;
it is called humour, the 'wicked thought' is the indication, that what follows will be ironic and mordant.
This saritic wit goes back to Juvenal and Horace, having lived abroad I can tell you Europeans do have an ironic wit, quite different from North Americans.

I thought Livia droll; you didn't, but there is no need to lambaste someone here for having a different view. Otherwise Jonathan Swift would never have written 'A Modest Proposal.'
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

optime vale
Maior

>
> I doth protest.
>
> Are you trying to be funny? If so, the joke bombed, big time. What would compel you to write what you did below...where did the need to write it come from? I agree with your appraisal of 'wicked thought'.
>
>
> I come from a small city of approximately 1/3 Italian ancestry, and our Italian people (and their friends and neighbours here) are quite concerned. Money is being sent from other parts of Canada also. Your suggestion that benefactors of any ilk (because they are not of *your* religion) are therefore asking L'Aquila victims to show their 'catholic card' or their 'star of David' 'pentagram' whatever, before they are assisted from the earthquake rubble, borders on sadistic, and demoralizes and degrades the true intentions of many individuals. ...apparently because, as you write below, these benefactors are behaving like 'religious organizations everywhere'
>
>
> "like religious organizations everywhere" is a stale propaganda tool, employing a blanket, distorted application of the sincere efforts of many many people... unless of course you are indeed aware of the dynamics of 'religious organizations everywhere' and are accurately attuned to the motivations of persons subsribed to them. But I don't think you are quite that *all knowing*.
>
> I imagine you would like people in this forum to see things as you do, because you wouldn't make these statements otherwise. This is a rather poor time to generate religious argument, regardless of your religious persuasion.
>
> Do you really think cultores should behave this way, based on your subjective insistance that 'religious organizations everywhere' do'? I don't. Even in jest, that's bizarre.
>
>
> I know you enjoy your religious beliefs, and I don't care what 'religion' you choose, but before you decry the spiritual and moral maturity and motivations of individuals and religions you don't even know, you might want to analyze your own.
>
> I normally ignore your petty religious jabs, but this is not the time and place, for sure.
>
> And I appreciate that you are Italian, and are part of relief effort...this doesn't make your remarks any more appropriate. Especially at this time. And it doesn't make the sincere efforts of others unappreciable.
>
> Pompeia
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
> >
> > Ah, a wicked thought: maybe we should work like religious organizations everywhere, and only provide help to those who follow our religion (in our case Religio Romana).
> >
> > Want help? Then you have to take part in a banquet and eat meat of sacrificed animals. Vindex did say (before the event) that he has the possibility to organize an animal sacrifice.
> >
> > Valete,
> > Livia
> >
> >
> > >
> > [...]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Salvete Omnes,

I just received a link to an interesting article detailing "variety of factors conspire to make Italy particularly vulnerableÂ…"

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/2321717/Medieval-buildings-blamed-for-Italian-quake-devastation

Earlier I read in this thread someone mentioned that it was the modern buildings that failed, and yes they did, mostly in Abruzzo, which authorities say:
"modern buildings in Italy - nondescript apartment houses and public buildings - often don't meet current standards in seismic safety. Public works contracts, especially in Italy's south, are vulnerable to infiltration by organised crime, prosecutors say. Builders often don't use the best materials, being pressured by mobsters to rely on suppliers close to organised crime."

However L'Aquila is a Medieval town and it is this fact that attracts tourists, historians, archeologists etc. to the area. This I find this heartbreaking because I know many will never be restored. I was fortunate to see this but my descendants will not be as fortunate.
Still, nothing can compare with the loss of precious life lost in the region:
"The UN International Strategy for Disaster Reduction said Monday that "buildings are the main killers when earthquakes strike." The UN noted that many of the old structures in L'Aquila did not meet modern seismic standards."

I am not certain of all the reasons why but as a rule if a building is slated for reconstruction it is usually of the Ancient Roman era; that is unless it is an important Church or Cathedral.
"Giorgio Croci, a Rome-based engineer and expert on ancient monuments like the Colosseum in the Italian capital, singled out building methods as a key factor in L'Aquila's damage. Ancient Romans used high-quality mortar and stone to put up monuments and buildings that have lasted some 2000 years, and Renaissance construction often boasted high-quality quarried stone and proper proportions, he said."

Medieval buildings are the last to get attention even though people still live in them to this day. The article states that nearly half of Italy is considered seismically dangerous and of that vulnerable area on 14% of the buildings meet seismic safety standards:
"Builders in the impoverished medieval era, however, often skimped on the quality of materials and generally erected less massive buildings, he said. As a result, medieval structures are more likely to sustain substantial damage in a quake."

We often hear on the ML people talking about the culture of this and that, vehemently defending a tenet based on a "culture", and here is another statement about one's "culture":
"We get all worked up after every earthquake, but it's not in our culture to construct buildings the right way in a quake zone - that is, build buildings that can resist (quakes) and retrofit old ones. This has never been done," Boschi said."

Hopefully some of the donation money will go into the much needed and absent, according to this article, anti-seismic protection.

Valete,

Julia Aquila

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C. Maria Caeca" <shoshanahathaway@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> Of course, my heart goes out to all who have suffered in that earthquake, and especially to those who have lost their loved ones and/or their homes. I heard a comment on NPR (which I have on in my shop all day) that most of the buildings which collapsed were modern, built in the last 20 or 30 years, although many were severely damaged. Interestingly, they mentioned that those built by the ancient Romans ... withstood everything relatively well. At any rate, I do hope things settle down, geologically, for a good long time, and that people get the help they need.
>
> Valete Bene,
> C. Maria Caeca
>

---Maior:


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
> Salve Pompeia;
> [...]
>
> I thought Livia droll;

Pompeia: I'm sure you did, but you didn't need to tell me that Maior, really :>)

> you didn't

Pompeia: Nope, not this time. Hardly the time for *jokes* about the motivations of others (world wide at that), or other misplaced agenda. Anyone can pull the humor ticket, you know. Fair enough. But I can call the joke good, or say it groaned. Which is what I did. My opinion.


but there is no need to lambaste someone here for having a different view.

Pompeia: Oh really? I shouldn't tell Livia I don't like her jokes? Why?
Now that you mention it Maior, I find you *lambaste* others at every opportunity when their opinions differ from yours. "No stones unturned" comes to mind.

Something else you seem pretty consistent at Maior, now that I think of it: defending Livia :>). No need. She can speak for herself if she wishes.

I didn't like her misplaced and inappropriate *humor* Maior. I am as entitled to my opinion as you and Livia are to yours. I think you need to realize that you have to live with people disagreeing with you once in a while.


Otherwise Jonathan Swift would never have written 'A Modest Proposal.'

> http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

Pompeia: I am familiar with this work, thanks!

>
> optime vale
> Maior

Pompeia

>
>
>
> >
> > I doth protest.
> >
> > Are you trying to be funny? If so, the joke bombed, big time. What would compel you to write what you did below...where did the need to write it come from? I agree with your appraisal of 'wicked thought'.
> >
> >
> > I come from a small city of approximately 1/3 Italian ancestry, and our Italian people (and their friends and neighbours here) are quite concerned. Money is being sent from other parts of Canada also. Your suggestion that benefactors of any ilk (because they are not of *your* religion) are therefore asking L'Aquila victims to show their 'catholic card' or their 'star of David' 'pentagram' whatever, before they are assisted from the earthquake rubble, borders on sadistic, and demoralizes and degrades the true intentions of many individuals. ...apparently because, as you write below, these benefactors are behaving like 'religious organizations everywhere'
> >
> >
> > "like religious organizations everywhere" is a stale propaganda tool, employing a blanket, distorted application of the sincere efforts of many many people... unless of course you are indeed aware of the dynamics of 'religious organizations everywhere' and are accurately attuned to the motivations of persons subsribed to them. But I don't think you are quite that *all knowing*.
> >
> > I imagine you would like people in this forum to see things as you do, because you wouldn't make these statements otherwise. This is a rather poor time to generate religious argument, regardless of your religious persuasion.
> >
> > Do you really think cultores should behave this way, based on your subjective insistance that 'religious organizations everywhere' do'? I don't. Even in jest, that's bizarre.
> >
> >
> > I know you enjoy your religious beliefs, and I don't care what 'religion' you choose, but before you decry the spiritual and moral maturity and motivations of individuals and religions you don't even know, you might want to analyze your own.
> >
> > I normally ignore your petty religious jabs, but this is not the time and place, for sure.
> >
> > And I appreciate that you are Italian, and are part of relief effort...this doesn't make your remarks any more appropriate. Especially at this time. And it doesn't make the sincere efforts of others unappreciable.
> >
> > Pompeia
> >
> >
> > In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ah, a wicked thought: maybe we should work like religious organizations everywhere, and only provide help to those who follow our religion (in our case Religio Romana).
> > >
> > > Want help? Then you have to take part in a banquet and eat meat of sacrificed animals. Vindex did say (before the event) that he has the possibility to organize an animal sacrifice.
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > > Livia
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

As long as Vindex isn't running the Hotel California, things should be ok.

V R E

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia" <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...> wrote:
>
> ---Maior:
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Pompeia;
> > [...]
> >

Have Julia,

> Now here is a link that is a very strange link that a friend sent me having to do with Caligula, I will not say anymore but leave it to our readers to read for themselves:
> http://www.divineloveministry.org/famouspeople/caligula.htm

I think that the "caligula" of this link is not Caligula but Nero.

Cura ut valeas.
C. Petronius Dexter

Others earthquakes.
Yesterday evening (magnitudo 4.5) and this this morning in L'Aquila.
Others near Forlì, Udine, Florence, Ravenna, but not so strong (between
2.8 and 3.5)

See photos of the disaster here (earthquake in italian is "terremoto")

http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/cronaca/terremoto-risveglio/terremoto-risveglio.html

Cato Petronio Dextro sal.

Salve Dexter.

That would make more sense vis-a-vis the persecution bit. But to my knowledge only Caligula was caled...uhhh...Caligula; and the name is unusual enough, with its odd little history, that I can't imagine people mistaking the two.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Have Julia,
>
> > Now here is a link that is a very strange link that a friend sent me having to do with Caligula, I will not say anymore but leave it to our readers to read for themselves:
> > http://www.divineloveministry.org/famouspeople/caligula.htm
>
> I think that the "caligula" of this link is not Caligula but Nero.
>
> Cura ut valeas.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

Salvete,
I'm stuck at Budapest airport waiting for my plane to Naples to leave (since 9 hours already) yet I find the time to write.

My joke was prompted by the fact that every day in the metro station in front of my place I see an american charity giving free meals to the homeless, but not before they have to hear religious propaganda and songs. I often feel compassionn for the people who have to stand this in order to get a meal.

So my wicked thought was: what if? What if we behaved like them? But I'm afraid this behaviour is acceptable from christians, but not from other religions, and mine will remain a joke.

To Flavius Aquila:
I'm not sure Vindex wants to handle donations.
Please wait until I get there (a few days still), then I'll let you know.
Evacuees are getting one thousand euros each from the state, so the immediate situatiion is not tragic.
Only there annd in a while it will turn out where help is most needed.

Valete,
Livia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Pompeia,
>
> I agree with your statement.
>
> Although that does not mean, that we have to avoid the idea stating that help is being provided especially from Nova Roma citizens for their fellow
> countrymen.
>
> I currently collect money�in my provincia Germania, and why not state that this help comes directly from Nova Roma.
>
> That�s why I came up�with the idea to establish an emergency fund of Nova Roma to provide help in catastrophes like this�, especially with the
> aim�to help Nova Roma citizens.
>
> Vale bene
> Titus Flavius Aquila
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Von: pompeia_minucia_tiberia <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...>
> An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 8. April 2009, 04:17:49 Uhr
> Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re:Earth Quake
>
>
> ---Livia:
>
> I doth protest.
>
> Are you trying to be funny? If so, the joke bombed, big time. What would compel you to write what you did below...where did the need to write it come from? I agree with your appraisal of 'wicked thought'.
>
> I come from a small city of approximately 1/3 Italian ancestry, and our Italian people (and their friends and neighbours here) are quite concerned. Money is being sent from other parts of Canada also. Your suggestion that benefactors of any ilk (because they are not of *your* religion) are therefore asking L'Aquila victims to show their 'catholic card' or their 'star of David' 'pentagram' whatever, before they are assisted from the earthquake rubble, borders on sadistic, and demoralizes and degrades the true intentions of many individuals. ...apparently because, as you write below, these benefactors are behaving like 'religious organizations everywhere'
>
> "like religious organizations everywhere" is a stale propaganda tool, employing a blanket, distorted application of the sincere efforts of many many people... unless of course you are indeed aware of the dynamics of 'religious organizations everywhere' and are accurately attuned to the motivations of persons subsribed to them. But I don't think you are quite that *all knowing*.
>
> I imagine you would like people in this forum to see things as you do, because you wouldn't make these statements otherwise. This is a rather poor time to generate religious argument, regardless of your religious persuasion.
>
> Do you really think cultores should behave this way, based on your subjective insistance that 'religious organizations everywhere' do'? I don't. Even in jest, that's bizarre.
>
> I know you enjoy your religious beliefs, and I don't care what 'religion' you choose, but before you decry the spiritual and moral maturity and motivations of individuals and religions you don't even know, you might want to analyze your own.
>
> I normally ignore your petty religious jabs, but this is not the time and place, for sure.
>
> And I appreciate that you are Italian, and are part of relief effort...this doesn't make your remarks any more appropriate. Especially at this time. And it doesn't make the sincere efforts of others unappreciable.
>
> Pompeia
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Ah, a wicked thought: maybe we should work like religious organizations everywhere, and only provide help to those who follow our religion (in our case Religio Romana).
> >
> > Want help? Then you have to take part in a banquet and eat meat of sacrificed animals. Vindex did say (before the event) that he has the possibility to organize an animal sacrifice.
> >
> > Valete,
> > Livia
> >
> >
> > >
> > [...]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Publius Constantinus Placidus S.P.D.

Contrary to what I stated in my latest message here, I wish to revoke and cancel my candidacy as Aedilis Plebis since I am now running for Curule Aedile. Indeed, according to the Lex Cornelia Iunia de definitione intervallorum magistratuum, I cannot hold the same office, or run for it, in two consecutive years.

Bene valete,
P. Con. Placidus

-- Pompeia Aquilo sal


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:

>
> Salve Pompeia,
>
> I agree with your statement.

Pompeia: Well no, it seems you don't.

Because I, in no way shape or form suggested that NR, or any other organization should keep their donations to this effort a secret. Must be another post from another Pompeia you read.

Nor am I berating the sincere intentions of others who have helped. It was Livia who did that.

Good luck with your excellent initiative, Aquila, BTW.

Pompeia

>
> Although that does not mean, that we have to avoid the idea stating that help is being provided especially from Nova Roma citizens for their fellow
> countrymen.
>
> I currently collect money in my provincia Germania, and why not state that this help comes directly from Nova Roma.
>
> That´s why I came up with the idea to establish an emergency fund of Nova Roma to provide help in catastrophes like this , especially with the
> aim to help Nova Roma citizens.
>
> Vale bene
> Titus Flavius Aquila
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Von: pompeia_minucia_tiberia <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...>
> An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 8. April 2009, 04:17:49 Uhr
> Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re:Earth Quake
>
>
> ---Livia:
>
> I doth protest.
>
> Are you trying to be funny? If so, the joke bombed, big time. What would compel you to write what you did below...where did the need to write it come from? I agree with your appraisal of 'wicked thought'.
>
> I come from a small city of approximately 1/3 Italian ancestry, and our Italian people (and their friends and neighbours here) are quite concerned. Money is being sent from other parts of Canada also. Your suggestion that benefactors of any ilk (because they are not of *your* religion) are therefore asking L'Aquila victims to show their 'catholic card' or their 'star of David' 'pentagram' whatever, before they are assisted from the earthquake rubble, borders on sadistic, and demoralizes and degrades the true intentions of many individuals. ...apparently because, as you write below, these benefactors are behaving like 'religious organizations everywhere'
>
> "like religious organizations everywhere" is a stale propaganda tool, employing a blanket, distorted application of the sincere efforts of many many people... unless of course you are indeed aware of the dynamics of 'religious organizations everywhere' and are accurately attuned to the motivations of persons subsribed to them. But I don't think you are quite that *all knowing*.
>
> I imagine you would like people in this forum to see things as you do, because you wouldn't make these statements otherwise. This is a rather poor time to generate religious argument, regardless of your religious persuasion.
>
> Do you really think cultores should behave this way, based on your subjective insistance that 'religious organizations everywhere' do'? I don't. Even in jest, that's bizarre.
>
> I know you enjoy your religious beliefs, and I don't care what 'religion' you choose, but before you decry the spiritual and moral maturity and motivations of individuals and religions you don't even know, you might want to analyze your own.
>
> I normally ignore your petty religious jabs, but this is not the time and place, for sure.
>
> And I appreciate that you are Italian, and are part of relief effort...this doesn't make your remarks any more appropriate. Especially at this time. And it doesn't make the sincere efforts of others unappreciable.
>
> Pompeia
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Ah, a wicked thought: maybe we should work like religious organizations everywhere, and only provide help to those who follow our religion (in our case Religio Romana).
> >
> > Want help? Then you have to take part in a banquet and eat meat of sacrificed animals. Vindex did say (before the event) that he has the possibility to organize an animal sacrifice.
> >
> > Valete,
> > Livia
> >
> >
> > >
> > [...]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Salve,

Thank you for this update,

Vale

LJA

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Numero 2 <2@...> wrote:
>
> Others earthquakes.
> Yesterday evening (magnitudo 4.5) and this this morning in L'Aquila.
> Others near Forlì, Udine, Florence, Ravenna, but not so strong (between
> 2.8 and 3.5)
>
> See photos of the disaster here (earthquake in italian is "terremoto")
>
> http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/cronaca/terremoto-risveglio/terremoto-risveglio.html
>

Aquila Catoni Petroni sal.

I don't think the person "channeling" Caligula had a clear line to the afterlife; the information had interference.
Wonder if if the author was wearing his aluminum foil hat with the right side out?;)
At any rate he obviously does not have his history straight.
Maybe Nero was interrupting and he could not discern between the two.
*smile*

Vale,

Julia

Salvete Omnes,

I am currently looking for a NR Priest/s and or Priest/esses as well as soldiers for the performance of a Roman ritual here in South Carolina!

                                (One single one would be fine too)

Who is interested or can help out?

Please respond to my e-mail C.Aqvillivs_ Rota@yahoo. com

Optime vale

C.AQVILLIVS ROTA

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus custos candidatus: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis, senatui populoque Novo Romano: salutem plurimam dicit: Salvete, Quirites! Seeing the lack of candidates for this office, I offer my candidacy and experience to serve as Custos of Nova Roma. If elected, I will serve with integrity and dutifulness.  This is what I ask your votes for. I served Nova Roma as quaestor twice, as a consular quaestor and praetorial quaestor. I was rogator. I was accensus and scriba several times and in many offices, and I'm currently, too. My most important offices I currently hold is the pontificate and the governance of Pannonia Provincia. CN. LENTVLVM CVSTODEM REI PVBLCAE ORO VOS FACIATIS! Valete, Quirites! Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, P O N T I F E X SACERDOS CONCORDIAE ------------------------------------------ Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae Interpres Linguae Hungaricae Accensus Consulum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi Scriba Praetoris P. Memmii Albucii Scriba Censorum Ti. Galerii Paulini et C. Popillii Laenatis Scriba Aedilis Curulis Cn. Iulii Caesaris Scriba Rogatricis A. Tulliae Scholasticae Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae ------------------------------------------- Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis Dominus Factionis Russatae

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Salvete!

Hodiernus dies est ante diem VI Idus Aprilis; haec dies nefastus est.

"He could no longer bear great heat or the weight of armour, and therefore wore sleeved tunics fashioned more or less like a breastplate, so that, by creating the impression of armour without his weight, he could be safe from plots and at the same time rouse admiration. Indeed, he often wore this dress when not in battle. His mantle was either of pure purple or of purple with a white stripe
down the centre; though occasionally the stripe only was of purple, as I myself have seen. In Syria, however, and in Mesopotamia he used German clothing and shoes. He also invented a costume of his own, which was made in a rather foreign fashion out of small pieces of cloth sewed together in a kind of cloak; and he not only wore this most of the time himself (in consequence of which he was given the nickname Caracallus), but he also prescribed it as the regular dress
for the soldiers." - Cassius Dio, Roman History, Epitome of Book LXXIX.3

"After this, turning to the war with the Armenians and Parthians, he appointed as military commander a man whose character resembled his own. Then he betook himself to Alexandria, and here he called the people together into the gymnasium and heaped abuse on them; he gave orders, moreover, that those who were physically qualified should be enrolled for military service. But those whom he enrolled he put to death, following the example of Ptolemy Euergetes, the eighth
of those who bore the name Ptolemy. In addition to this he issued an order to his soldiers to slay their hosts and thus caused great slaughter at Alexandria...

"During this time, on the eighth day before the Ides of April, the feast of the Megalensia and his own birthday, while on a journey to Carrhae to do honour to the god Lunus, he stepped aside to satisfy the needs of nature and was thereupon assassinated by the treachery of Macrinus the prefect of the guard, who after his death seized the imperial power. The accomplices in the murder were Nemesianus, his brother Apollinaris, and Triccianus, who was serving as prefect
of the Second Legion, the Parthian, and commanded the irregular cavalry. Marcus Agrippa, too, the commander of the fleet, was privy to it, as well as many members of his staff acting on the instigation of Martialis." - Historia Augusta, Caracalla 6

On this day in AD 217 Marcus Aurelius Severus Antoninus, known as Caracalla, was murdered by his bodyguards at the age of 29, near Carrhae (modern Harran) in Mesopotamia. He is perhaps most famous for the Constitutio Antoniniana, granting Roman citizenship to freemen throughout the Roman Empire; his thermae, the Baths which can still be seen in Rome to this day; and the debasement of the coinage
by about 25% in order (according to Cassius Dio) to pay the legions out of a meagre Imperial Treasury.

Note that here, the Historia Augusta says "on the eighth day before the Ides of April", which would have been two days ago; yet in chapter 5 of Cassius Dio, it reads:

"On the eighth of April, when the emperor had set out from Edessa for Carrhae and had dismounted from his horse to ease himself, Martialis approached as though desiring to say something to him and struck him with a small dagger. Martialis immediately fled and would have escaped detection, had he thrown away his sword; but, as it was, the weapon led to his being recognized by one of the Scythians in attendance upon Antoninus, and he was struck down with a javelin. As for Antoninus, the tribunes, pretending to come to his rescue, slew him. The
Scythian mentioned was in attendance upon Antoninus, not merely as an ally, but also as a kind of body-guard."

and a few lines later:

"Such was the end to which Antoninus came, after living twenty-nine years and four days (for he had been born on the fourth of April), and after ruling six years, two months, and two days."

Scholars have decided that Cassius Dio is the more reliable of the two, and so place Caracalla's death on this day.



On this day in AD 1546, at its fourth session, the Council of Trent adopted Jerome's "Latin Vulgate" as the official Bible of the Roman Catholic Church. (Included in the Vulgate O.T. were the 15 apocryphal books which Protestants reject in their biblical canon.)

Valete!

Cato

Salvete omnes,

My very dear friend Gaius Aquillius is a citizen, and brother in blood, a doer who actually built a restaurant from nothing by himself with only his young family to help, pouring everything he had into it. For little over a year and a half I have shared the joys and pains of this project with this industrious citizen and his family as they embraced every small victory and pushed through every large defeat, and there were plenty of those.
He has painted the frescoes himself, jumped through all the many and impossible hoops set before him by city inspectors and other obstacles, prepared and researched the menu and so much more. Of course with his lovely wife, a beloved friend, whose part in this must be mentioned. It was all worth it, rather than talking about it, he did it and he is realizing his part of the Roman dream and he is offering it to us, the citizens of Nova Roma, the fruits of his labor.
For those who truly have the vision of Nova Roma becoming a living breathing entity I humbly suggest emailing Gaius Aquillius and sharing this vision, at least beginning a dialogue with him.
For those living near him or a few hours away, it is worth the trip just to see the magnificent work he has done and to talk with him, a wonderful passionate conversationalist.

Cúráte ut valéatis atque di vos incolumes custodiant,

L. Julia Aquila

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "c.aqvillivs_rota" <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I am currently looking for a NR Priest/s and or Priest/esses as well as
> soldiers for the performance of a Roman ritual here in South Carolina!
>
> (One single one would be fine too)
>
> Who is interested or can help out?
>
> Please respond to my e-mail C.Aqvillivs_ Rota@yahoo. com
> <mailto:C.Aqvillivs_Rota@...>
>
> Optime vale
>
> C.AQVILLIVS ROTA
>

She better not try to "channel" my dear Julian in a similar manner or she's going to have to deal with me!- Ellen Catalina --- On Wed, 4/8/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@hotmail..com> wrote: From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: caligula To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 8:39 AM Aquila Catoni Petroni sal. I don't think the person "channeling" Caligula had a clear line to the afterlife; the information had interference. Wonder if if the author was wearing his aluminum foil hat with the right side out?;) At any rate he obviously does not have his history straight. Maybe Nero was interrupting and he could not discern between the two. *smile* Vale, Julia

C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,

> That would make more sense vis-a-vis the persecution bit. But to my knowledge only Caligula was caled...uhhh...Caligula;

Yes of course. But 1)the photo is the face of the young Nero. 2)Caligula did not persecute the christians. [Pontius Pilatus, the governor of Judaea, was back in Rome just when Caligula succeeded Tiberius. And Caligula was emperor four years, and died on 24 january 41. They were not christians in Rome at this time.]

> and the name is unusual enough, with its odd little history, that I can't imagine people mistaking the two.

He made some mix-up.

Vale.
C. Petronius Dexter

Save et salvete,Greetings and salutations ,Fellow Romans.From time to time it is the duty of the Tribunate of the Plebian Order to post observations on the functioning and the actions of those who have been elected as our representatives in the Senate and upper echelons of our government.Especially now on the eve of a new elections.So therefore I wish to tender a report for the benefit of your knowledge, of the actual goings on, of some of our officials, as I feel my duty to do so.Also, I am not making suggestions as to how you should vote.Only to know your candidates and to choose wisely.As it stands at the present time, there are some very disturbing sounds eminating from the Senate of Nova Roma.Some of these things would threaten the rights of the people and consequently diminish the role, of the individual Roman citizen to be able to have the representation, that is called for in our Constitution.I site for one instance that it
has been discussed, just how to eliminate the Tribunate of the Plebians and to secure the unrivaled power of Consulship.This sounds like an attempted coup attempt, to usurp the rights of the average Roman citizen.Not only are the many debates about subjects which are close to if not downright in total regard for the laws of Nova Roma.Meetings ajourned because no one can agree on anything.With much conduct unbecoming of any official.Profanity and angry indignation among the participants.The questioning of the intelligence of our fine webmaster, who has replaced our last, one run off by the same type of condecending behavior.Making deals and agreements without consulting the people.And the list goes on ad nauseum.A true theatre of the absurd.If it were possible, I would call upon the citizens of our Republic to place a no confidence vote on this group of elected officials, who should be made to explain, these actions to the people or risk re-call.I
hope that others will step forward without fear to tell our citizens their individual experiences.I call upon my colleagues in the Tribunate to speak out knowing full well the truth of this situation.To all citizens who will stand up for their rights for proper representation as provided by our Constitution and our Lex.

Vale et valete,
Ap.Galerius Aurelianus
Tribune of the Plebs

V. Rutilia SPD

Salvete!

Several people have mentioned disaster relief efforts following the tragic events in Italy. It would be one excellent way to raise NR's profile to be able to make such a donation. Creating a fund to assist our own members in emergency situations, or simply an emergency fund for the organization itself is a wise move for groups that intend to survive.

It's my understanding that at one time funds were raised for an archeological project that later foundered and the funds remain. I believe that the US Tax Code provides a mechanism for 501(c)(3) organizations to deal with these circumstances. While I am not an accountant, I do have the right resource to find out, and would be happy to try. It may be that during the upcoming election we would need a vote of the entire organization for this to be authorized.

I respectfully request that this be taken into consideration.

Valete,

V Rutilia

Salve Rutilia,

enodia2002 <walkyr@...> writes:

> V. Rutilia SPD

> It's my understanding that at one time funds were raised for an
> archeological project that later foundered and the funds remain.

If you're thinking about the Magna Mater project, you've been
misinformed. While it has not gone as far as I and many others wish,
it is not dead. Funds raised for the Magna Mater project remain
dedicated to that project, especially since they were donated
explicitly for that project and not to the Nova Roma general fund.

I would not oppose an effort to make a one-time donation from the Nova
Roma treasury to a reputable disaster relief agency in Italy for
earthquake relief. In fact I might well donate to it. But that's a
very different thing from redirecting funds that have already been
designated for another purpose.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salve,

Thank you, I was indeed misinformed as to the status of the MM project. It would be wonderful to get something like that underway.

In that case we would need to set up an entirely new fund for disaster relief, and I amend my request to that formal effort.

Vale,

Rutilia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Rutilia,
>
> enodia2002 <walkyr@...> writes:
>
> > V. Rutilia SPD
>
> > It's my understanding that at one time funds were raised for an
> > archeological project that later foundered and the funds remain.
>
> If you're thinking about the Magna Mater project, you've been
> misinformed. While it has not gone as far as I and many others wish,
> it is not dead. Funds raised for the Magna Mater project remain
> dedicated to that project, especially since they were donated
> explicitly for that project and not to the Nova Roma general fund.
>
> I would not oppose an effort to make a one-time donation from the Nova
> Roma treasury to a reputable disaster relief agency in Italy for
> earthquake relief. In fact I might well donate to it. But that's a
> very different thing from redirecting funds that have already been
> designated for another purpose.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

Cato Rutiliae omnibusque in foro SPD

Salve et salvete.

I think that's an excellent idea. I would urge you to write to the consuls so that they can present it to the Senate.

Vale et valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "enodia2002" <walkyr@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> Thank you, I was indeed misinformed as to the status of the MM project. It would be wonderful to get something like that underway.
>
> In that case we would need to set up an entirely new fund for disaster relief, and I amend my request to that formal effort.
>
> Vale,
>
> Rutilia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Rutilia,
> >
> > enodia2002 <walkyr@> writes:
> >
> > > V. Rutilia SPD
> >
> > > It's my understanding that at one time funds were raised for an
> > > archeological project that later foundered and the funds remain.
> >
> > If you're thinking about the Magna Mater project, you've been
> > misinformed. While it has not gone as far as I and many others wish,
> > it is not dead. Funds raised for the Magna Mater project remain
> > dedicated to that project, especially since they were donated
> > explicitly for that project and not to the Nova Roma general fund.
> >
> > I would not oppose an effort to make a one-time donation from the Nova
> > Roma treasury to a reputable disaster relief agency in Italy for
> > earthquake relief. In fact I might well donate to it. But that's a
> > very different thing from redirecting funds that have already been
> > designated for another purpose.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
> >
>

A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae C. Aquillio Rotae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salvete omnes,

My very dear friend Gaius Aquillius is a citizen, and brother in blood, a doer who actually built a restaurant from nothing by himself with only his young family to help, pouring everything he had into it. For little over a year and a half I have shared the joys and pains of this project with this industrious citizen and his family as they embraced every small victory and pushed through every large defeat, and there were plenty of those.

    ATS:  Indeed there were, not least his accident and injuries.
    
He has painted the frescoes himself, jumped through all the many and impossible hoops set before him by city inspectors and other obstacles, prepared and researched the menu and so much more. Of course with his lovely wife, a beloved friend, whose part in this must be mentioned. It was all worth it, rather than talking about it, he did it and he is realizing his part of the Roman dream and he is offering it to us, the citizens of Nova Roma, the fruits of his labor.
For those who truly have the vision of Nova Roma becoming a living breathing entity I humbly suggest emailing Gaius Aquillius and sharing this vision, at least beginning a dialogue with him.
For those living near him or a few hours away, it is worth the trip just to see the magnificent work he has done and to talk with him, a wonderful passionate conversationalist.

    ATS:  I wish I lived nearer.  I have seen photographs of this work in progress, and it is indeed a very beautiful establishment, and Adriano is a wonderful conversationalist...when one can catch him to chat!  Not sure if I can still find his number, though.  Adriano, please let me know.  

    I am so glad that you finally got this up and running.  
    

Cúráte ut valéatis atque di vos incolumes custodiant,

L. Julia Aquila


Valete!


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "c.aqvillivs_rota" <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I am currently looking for a NR Priest/s and or Priest/esses as well as
> soldiers for the performance of a Roman ritual here in South Carolina!
>
>                                  (One single one would be fine too)
>
> Who is interested or can help out?
>
> Please respond to my e-mail C.Aqvillivs_ Rota@yahoo. com
> <mailto:C.Aqvillivs_Rota@...>
>
> Optime vale
>
> C.AQVILLIVS ROTA
>

  
    

   

  

Ave,

I am extremely glad that some of the information is starting to get reported to the People. I think it is incumbent on the People of Nova Roma to be aware of the words and actions of the Presiding Magistrates of Nova Roma - those that have the power to summon the Senate. I believe it would be beneficial to release specific messages to the review of the People of Nova Roma regarding the now disclosed adjourned Board of Director Meeting earlier this month. Do you know the agenda of the meeting? Do you know why it was adjourned? Do you know what transpired to cause the adjournment? So far to date this has gone completely unreported. Why?

Other issues should also be discussed - not just in the Senate but here where the people can voice their opinions and concerns as well. Where is the transparency? Where is the accountability? Our Consul speaks of Obstructionism and Filibustering. Yet, the ML is totally silent on many issues! Why is that? I hope that more information will be released - either in summary form or in a post by post release. The time for transparency is now!

Those of us on the Back Alley (who the Consuls would call obstructionists/filibusters) have been at the forefront in trying to have more transparency in Nova Roma. I think it is now incumbent for this message to reach the Main List! You are the People of Nova Roma. You have a right to ask your magistrates what is going on! You have a right to demand to know what actions are going on! Speak up Nova Roma! You have no idea what has been going on and you have a a responsibility to know!!!! You should demand your right to know what has been transpiring!

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "galerius_of_rome" <galerius_of_rome@...> wrote:
>
> Save et salvete,Greetings and salutations ,Fellow Romans.From time to time it is the duty of the Tribunate of the Plebian Order to post observations on the functioning and the actions of those who have been elected as our representatives in the Senate and upper echelons of our government.Especially now on the eve of a new elections.So therefore I wish to tender a report for the benefit of your knowledge, of the actual goings on, of some of our officials, as I feel my duty to do so.Also, I am not making suggestions as to how you should vote.Only to know your candidates and to choose wisely.As it stands at the present time, there are some very disturbing sounds eminating from the Senate of Nova Roma.Some of these things would threaten the rights of the people and consequently diminish the role, of the individual Roman citizen to be able to have the representation, that is called for in our Constitution.I site for one instance that it
> has been discussed, just how to eliminate the Tribunate of the Plebians and to secure the unrivaled power of Consulship.This sounds like an attempted coup attempt, to usurp the rights of the average Roman citizen.Not only are the many debates about subjects which are close to if not downright in total regard for the laws of Nova Roma.Meetings ajourned because no one can agree on anything.With much conduct unbecoming of any official.Profanity and angry indignation among the participants.The questioning of the intelligence of our fine webmaster, who has replaced our last, one run off by the same type of condecending behavior.Making deals and agreements without consulting the people.And the list goes on ad nauseum.A true theatre of the absurd.If it were possible, I would call upon the citizens of our Republic to place a no confidence vote on this group of elected officials, who should be made to explain, these actions to the people or risk re-call.I
> hope that others will step forward without fear to tell our citizens their individual experiences.I call upon my colleagues in the Tribunate to speak out knowing full well the truth of this situation.To all citizens who will stand up for their rights for proper representation as provided by our Constitution and our Lex.
>
> Vale et valete,
> Ap.Galerius Aurelianus
> Tribune of the Plebs
>

Salvete omnes, in addition to that, if I might, I would suggest a 'quick response' action, for example make a donation to the Italian Red Cross for the actual quake's relief asap (and by this I mean forgetting for a minute all quarrels in the Senate). About the proposal for establishing an emergency fund, these are my two cents (if they aren't already considered yet by Aquila) for anyone wishing to take them to the Senate: 1.the fund's purpose should be directed to help and relief NR cives in case of a natural disaster. 2. if no NR cives where affected directly, the Senate should decide the best way to use it (international orgs like Red Cross, etc) or not to use it at all. 3. In any case, the use of the fund would be public and well known to the people (not only within NR, but also to the beneficiary/ies and so) in a way that shows clearly that NR is making the action. 4. the fund should be fed by a n% of NR cives taxpaying (individual and those coming directly from province governors), individual donations (public or private), and/or any other way the Senate might find appropriate. 5. for this purpose, at least two accounts should be set up. One within US borders, so NR cives living there can enjoy tax deductions if they want, and another one within EU borders, so NR cives in EU might do the same (I think this last one might require some bureaucracy). Other accounts might be set up, if needed, for other cives in other parts of the world (south america, etc...). This makes available propper tax deduction for donnors anywhere they come from, and quicker responses when a transfer is needed (moving money from one side of an ocean to another is a lot of paperwork and there is the possibility of central banks' kidnapping of the sum under suspect of it being 'dirty money') As I said, these are my humble five cents. -- Di te incolumem custodiant. L. Coruncanius Cato --- El jue, 9/4/09, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> escribió: De: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> Asunto: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: NR Disaster Relief Fund / Emergency fund Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com CC: walkyr@... Fecha: jueves, 9 abril, 2009 7:56 Salve Rutilia,   according to my recommendation for establishing an emergency fund, I have it already on the list I will present to the consules for kindly consideration to adding it to the agenda for the next senate session.   Thank you for your support   Vale bene Titus Flavius Aquila Von: enodia2002 <walkyr@...> An: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 9. April 2009, 05:32:30 Uhr Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: NR Disaster Relief Fund Salve, Thank you, I was indeed misinformed as to the status of the MM project. It would be wonderful to get something like that underway. In that case we would need to set up an entirely new fund for disaster relief, and I amend my request to that formal effort. Vale, Rutilia --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote: > > Salve Rutilia, > > enodia2002 <walkyr@...> writes: > > > V. Rutilia SPD > > > It's my understanding that at one time funds were raised for an > > archeological project that later foundered and the funds remain. > > If you're thinking about the Magna Mater project, you've been > misinformed. While it has not gone as far as I and many others wish, > it is not dead. Funds raised for the Magna Mater project remain > dedicated to that project, especially since they were donated > explicitly for that project and not to the Nova Roma general fund. > > I would not oppose an effort to make a one-time donation from the Nova > Roma treasury to a reputable disaster relief agency in Italy for > earthquake relief. In fact I might well donate to it. But that's a > very different thing from redirecting funds that have already been > designated for another purpose. > > Vale, > > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS >

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Salvete!

Hodiernus dies est ante diem V Idus Aprilis; haec ies nefastus est.

"But before the last day completes the spectacle,
Orion with his sword will have sunk in the sea." - Ovid, Fast IV

"Orion...was the son of Euryale, the daughter of Minos, and of Poseidon, and that there was given him as a gift the power of walking upon the waves as though upon land. When he was come to Khios, he outraged Merope, the daughter of Oinopion, being drunken; but Oinopion when he learned of it was greatly vexed at the outrage and blinded him and cast him out of the country. Then he came to Lemnos as a beggar and there met Hephaistos who took pity on him and gave him Kedalion his own servant to guide him. So Orion took Kedalion upon his shoulders and used to carry him about while he pointed out the roads. Then he came to the east and appears to have met Helios and to have been healed, and so returned back again to Oinopion to punish him; but Oinopion was hidden away by his people underground. Being disappointed, then, in his search for the king, Orion went away to Krete and spent his time hunting in company with Artemis and Leto. It seems that he threatened to kill every beast there was on earth; whereupon, in her anger, the Earth sent up against him a Scorpion of very great size by which he was stung and so perished. After this Zeus, at the prayer of Artemis and Leto, put him among the stars, because of his manliness, and the Scorpion also as a memorial of him and of what had occurred." - Hesiod, Astronomy Fragment IV

Today is the sixth and last day of the Megalesia in honor of the Magna
Mater.

"Wherefore great mother of gods, and mother of beasts,
And parent of man hath she alone been named.
Her hymned the old and learned bards of Greece.
Seated in chariot o'er the realms of air
To drive her team of lions, teaching thus
That the great earth hangs poised and cannot lie
Resting on other earth. Unto her car
They've yoked the wild beasts, since a progeny,
However savage, must be tamed and chid
By care of parents. They have girt about
With turret-crown the summit of her head,
Since, fortressed in her goodly strongholds high,
'Tis she sustains the cities; now, adorned
With that same token, to-day is carried forth,
With solemn awe through many a mighty land,
The image of that mother, the divine.
Her the wide nations, after antique rite,
Do name Idaean Mother, giving her
Escort of Phrygian bands, since first, they say,
From out those regions 'twas that grain began
Through all the world. To her do they assign
The Galli, the emasculate, since thus
They wish to show that men who violate
The majesty of the mother and have proved
Ingrate to parents are to be adjudged
Unfit to give unto the shores of light
A living progeny. The Galli come:
And hollow cymbals, tight-skinned tambourines
Resound around to bangings of their hands;
The fierce horns threaten with a raucous bray;
The tubed pipe excites their maddened minds
In Phrygian measures; they bear before them knives,
Wild emblems of their frenzy, which have power
The rabble's ingrate heads and impious hearts
To panic with terror of the goddess' might.
And so, when through the mighty cities borne,
She blesses man with salutations mute,
They strew the highway of her journeyings
With coin of brass and silver, gifting her
With alms and largesse, and shower her and shade
With flowers of roses falling like the snow
Upon the Mother and her companion-bands.
Here is an armed troop, the which by Greeks
Are called the Phrygian Curetes. Since
Haply among themselves they use to play
In games of arms and leap in measure round
With bloody mirth and by their nodding shake
The terrorizing crests upon their heads,
This is the armed troop that represents
The arm'd Dictaean Curetes, who, in Crete,
As runs the story, whilom did out-drown
That infant cry of Zeus, what time their band,
Young boys, in a swift dance around the boy,
To measured step beat with the brass on brass,
That Saturn might not get him for his jaws,
And give its mother an eternal wound
Along her heart. And it is on this account
That armed they escort the mighty Mother,
Or else because they signify by this
That she, the goddess, teaches men to be
Eager with armed valour to defend
Their motherland, and ready to stand forth,
The guard and glory of their parents' years." - Lucretius, De Rerum
Naturae

Valete bene,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> in addition to that, if I might, I would suggest a 'quick response' action, for example make a donation to the Italian Red Cross for the actual quake's relief asap (and by this I mean forgetting for a minute all quarrels in the Senate).
>
> About the proposal for establishing an emergency fund, these are my two cents (if they aren't already considered yet by Aquila) for anyone wishing to take them to the Senate:
>
> 1.the fund's purpose should be directed to help and relief NR cives in case of a natural disaster.
>
> 2. if no NR cives where affected directly, the Senate should decide the best way to use it (international orgs like Red Cross, etc) or not to use it at all.
>
> 3. In any case, the use of the fund would be public and well known to the people (not only within NR, but also to the beneficiary/ies and so) in a way that shows clearly that NR is making the action.
>
> 4. the fund should be fed by a n% of NR cives taxpaying (individual and
> those coming directly from province governors), individual donations (public or private), and/or any other way the Senate might find appropriate.
>
> 5. for this purpose, at least two accounts should be set up. One within US
> borders, so NR cives living there can enjoy tax deductions if they
> want, and another one within EU borders, so NR cives in EU might do the
> same (I think this last one might require some bureaucracy). Other accounts might be set up, if needed, for other cives in
> other parts of the world (south america, etc...). This makes available
> propper tax deduction for donnors anywhere they come from, and quicker
> responses when a transfer is needed (moving money from one side of an
> ocean to another is a lot of paperwork and there is the possibility of
> central banks' kidnapping of the sum under suspect of it being 'dirty
> money')

Salve

As we are not in the EU as a legal ORG how do we as NR get a bank acct?to get "propper tax deduction for donnors" we as NR INC have to file a lot of paperwork in the EU as far as I know.we shoul;d look into thsi.
I think that to set up a bank acct not in NR names that just sends funds to the red cross NO tax deduction would be much faster.
TPTB should talk with our in house CFO.As that would be the one of the Officer of NR would would under the US Law would have to sign off on this whole things.
mind you I think a NR Disaster Relief Fund would be nice.

Vale
Marcus Cornelius felix

Sacerdos Templi Mercurius

>
> As I said, these are my humble five cents.
>
> --
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant.
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> --- El jue, 9/4/09, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> escribió:
> De: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...>
> Asunto: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: NR Disaster Relief Fund / Emergency fund
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> CC: walkyr@...
> Fecha: jueves, 9 abril, 2009 7:56
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salve Rutilia,
>  
> according to my recommendation for establishing an emergency fund, I have it already on the list I will present to the consules for kindly consideration to adding it to the agenda for the next senate session.
>  
> Thank you for your support
>  
> Vale bene
> Titus Flavius Aquila
>
>
>
>
>
> Von: enodia2002 <walkyr@...>
> An: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 9. April 2009, 05:32:30 Uhr
> Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: NR Disaster Relief Fund
>
>
>
> Salve,
>
> Thank you, I was indeed misinformed as to the status of the MM project. It would be wonderful to get something like that underway.
>
> In that case we would need to set up an entirely new fund for disaster relief, and I amend my request to that formal effort.
>
> Vale,
>
> Rutilia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Rutilia,
> >
> > enodia2002 <walkyr@> writes:
> >
> > > V. Rutilia SPD
> >
> > > It's my understanding that at one time funds were raised for an
> > > archeological project that later foundered and the funds remain.
> >
> > If you're thinking about the Magna Mater project, you've been
> > misinformed. While it has not gone as far as I and many others wish,
>
> > it is not dead. Funds raised for the Magna Mater project remain
> > dedicated to that project, especially since they were donated
> > explicitly for that project and not to the Nova Roma general fund.
> >
> > I would not oppose an effort to make a one-time donation from the Nova
> > Roma treasury to a reputable disaster relief agency in Italy for
> > earthquake relief. In fact I might well donate to it. But that's a
> > very different thing from redirecting funds that have already been
> > designated for another purpose.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
> >
>

Salvete omnes, Well, throwing suspicions of this size whilst not saying exactly what the accusations and the responsibles (wow, yes, 'magistrates'. This gives a wide range of people) of them is not precisely a sign of "transparency". And yes, the list is silent... except for the blind accusations thrown to the list by 5 people acting just like trolls/filibusters: breaking all dialogue first, and then demanding transparency and dialogue but, after that, keeping to throw blind accusations and encouraging the people to ask (by the way, encouraging us to do your work, senators). First it was about elections. When elections are called, it comes "acts of illegality". What acts are these? By whom exactly? Why keeping this harassment and obstruction to any action taken by the magistrates? If you know so much of the information, why you are not releasing it? Why a Tribune of Plebs throwns this blind accusation, and after "hopes the other tribunes to tell the truth to the citizens"? As you requested, I am asking you, senator, and you, tribune. Speak sense, please. -- Di te incolumem custodiant. L. Coruncanius Cato --- El jue, 9/4/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> escribió:   Ave, I am extremely glad that some of the information is starting to get reported to the People. I think it is incumbent on the People of Nova Roma to be aware of the words and actions of the Presiding Magistrates of Nova Roma - those that have the power to summon the Senate. I believe it would be beneficial to release specific messages to the review of the People of Nova Roma regarding the now disclosed adjourned Board of Director Meeting earlier this month. Do you know the agenda of the meeting? Do you know why it was adjourned? Do you know what transpired to cause the adjournment? So far to date this has gone completely unreported. Why? Other issues should also be discussed - not just in the Senate but here where the people can voice their opinions and concerns as well. Where is the transparency? Where is the accountability? Our Consul speaks of Obstructionism and Filibustering. Yet, the ML is totally silent on many issues! Why is that? I hope that more information will be released - either in summary form or in a post by post release. The time for transparency is now! Those of us on the Back Alley (who the Consuls would call obstructionists/ filibusters) have been at the forefront in trying to have more transparency in Nova Roma. I think it is now incumbent for this message to reach the Main List! You are the People of Nova Roma. You have a right to ask your magistrates what is going on! You have a right to demand to know what actions are going on! Speak up Nova Roma! You have no idea what has been going on and you have a a responsibility to know!!!! You should demand your right to know what has been transpiring! Respectfully, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "galerius_of_ rome" <galerius_of_ rome@...> wrote: > > Save et salvete,Greetings and salutations ,Fellow Romans.From time to time it is the duty of the Tribunate of the Plebian Order to post observations on the functioning and the actions of those who have been elected as our representatives in the Senate and upper echelons of our government.Especial ly now on the eve of a new elections.So therefore I wish to tender a report for the benefit of your knowledge, of the actual goings on, of some of our officials, as I feel my duty to do so.Also, I am not making suggestions as to how you should vote.Only to know your candidates and to choose wisely.As it stands at the present time, there are some very disturbing sounds eminating from the Senate of Nova Roma.Some of these things would threaten the rights of the people and consequently diminish the role, of the individual Roman citizen to be able to have the representation, that is called for in our Constitution. I site for one instance that it > has been discussed, just how to eliminate the Tribunate of the Plebians and to secure the unrivaled power of Consulship.This sounds like an attempted coup attempt, to usurp the rights of the average Roman citizen.Not only are the many debates about subjects which are close to if not downright in total regard for the laws of Nova Roma.Meetings ajourned because no one can agree on anything.With much conduct unbecoming of any official.Profanity and angry indignation among the participants. The questioning of the intelligence of our fine webmaster, who has replaced our last, one run off by the same type of condecending behavior.Making deals and agreements without consulting the people.And the list goes on ad nauseum.A true theatre of the absurd.If it were possible, I would call upon the citizens of our Republic to place a no confidence vote on this group of elected officials, who should be made to explain, these actions to the people or risk re-call.I > hope that others will step forward without fear to tell our citizens their individual experiences. I call upon my colleagues in the Tribunate to speak out knowing full well the truth of this situation.To all citizens who will stand up for their rights for proper representation as provided by our Constitution and our Lex. > > Vale et valete, > Ap.Galerius Aurelianus > Tribune of the Plebs >

Cato Coruncanio Catoni sal.

Salve.

Well, if the tribune feels that the People should be more informed about what he sees going on in the Senate, he is certainly right to express that.

Not even taking into consideration your "Gang of Five", exactly how many people need to exhibit concern before it is a "valid" complaint, in your mind? Do you understand what a filibuster is? Because the consul who posted that article used the term incorrectly; you are doing that now as well.

At any rate, we will soon see what the tribune has to say. I say good for him. Those who have nothing to fear do not care if doors and windows are opened, curtains drawn back to shed light.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Well, throwing suspicions of this size whilst not saying exactly what the accusations and the responsibles (wow, yes, 'magistrates'. This gives a wide range of people) of them is not precisely a sign of "transparency".
> And yes, the list is silent... except for the blind accusations thrown to the list by 5 people acting just like trolls/filibusters: breaking all dialogue first, and then demanding transparency and dialogue but, after that, keeping to throw blind accusations and encouraging the people to ask (by the way, encouraging us to do your work, senators).
>
> First it was about elections. When elections are called, it comes "acts of illegality". What acts are these? By whom exactly? Why keeping this harassment and obstruction to any action taken by the magistrates?
> If you know so much of the information, why you are not releasing it? Why a Tribune of Plebs throwns this blind accusation, and after "hopes the other tribunes to tell the truth to the citizens"?
>
> As you requested, I am asking you, senator, and you, tribune.
>
> Speak sense, please.
>
> --
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant.
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> --- El jue, 9/4/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> escribió:
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ave,
>
>
>
> I am extremely glad that some of the information is starting to get reported to the People. I think it is incumbent on the People of Nova Roma to be aware of the words and actions of the Presiding Magistrates of Nova Roma - those that have the power to summon the Senate. I believe it would be beneficial to release specific messages to the review of the People of Nova Roma regarding the now disclosed adjourned Board of Director Meeting earlier this month. Do you know the agenda of the meeting? Do you know why it was adjourned? Do you know what transpired to cause the adjournment? So far to date this has gone completely unreported. Why?
>
>
>
> Other issues should also be discussed - not just in the Senate but here where the people can voice their opinions and concerns as well. Where is the transparency? Where is the accountability? Our Consul speaks of Obstructionism and Filibustering. Yet, the ML is totally silent on many issues! Why is that? I hope that more information will be released - either in summary form or in a post by post release. The time for transparency is now!
>
>
>
> Those of us on the Back Alley (who the Consuls would call obstructionists/ filibusters) have been at the forefront in trying to have more transparency in Nova Roma. I think it is now incumbent for this message to reach the Main List! You are the People of Nova Roma. You have a right to ask your magistrates what is going on! You have a right to demand to know what actions are going on! Speak up Nova Roma! You have no idea what has been going on and you have a a responsibility to know!!!! You should demand your right to know what has been transpiring!
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "galerius_of_ rome" <galerius_of_ rome@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Save et salvete,Greetings and salutations ,Fellow Romans.From time to time it is the duty of the Tribunate of the Plebian Order to post observations on the functioning and the actions of those who have been elected as our representatives in the Senate and upper echelons of our government.Especial ly now on the eve of a new elections.So therefore I wish to tender a report for the benefit of your knowledge, of the actual goings on, of some of our officials, as I feel my duty to do so.Also, I am not making suggestions as to how you should vote.Only to know your candidates and to choose wisely.As it stands at the present time, there are some very disturbing sounds eminating from the Senate of Nova Roma.Some of these things would threaten the rights of the people and consequently diminish the role, of the individual Roman citizen to be able to have the representation, that is called for in our Constitution. I site for one instance that it
>
> > has been discussed, just how to eliminate the Tribunate of the Plebians and to secure the unrivaled power of Consulship.This sounds like an attempted coup attempt, to usurp the rights of the average Roman citizen.Not only are the many debates about subjects which are close to if not downright in total regard for the laws of Nova Roma.Meetings ajourned because no one can agree on anything.With much conduct unbecoming of any official.Profanity and angry indignation among the participants. The questioning of the intelligence of our fine webmaster, who has replaced our last, one run off by the same type of condecending behavior.Making deals and agreements without consulting the people.And the list goes on ad nauseum.A true theatre of the absurd.If it were possible, I would call upon the citizens of our Republic to place a no confidence vote on this group of elected officials, who should be made to explain, these actions to the people or risk re-call.I
>
> > hope that others will step forward without fear to tell our citizens their individual experiences. I call upon my colleagues in the Tribunate to speak out knowing full well the truth of this situation.To all citizens who will stand up for their rights for proper representation as provided by our Constitution and our Lex.
>
> >
>
> > Vale et valete,
>
> > Ap.Galerius Aurelianus
>
> > Tribune of the Plebs
>
> >
>

Laenas Cato sal.

The Tribune has exceeded his reporting responsibilities and he has done a dsservice to Nova Roma with the title of his post and making accusations without any evidence or specifics.

I expect the Censors to post something on this matter soon.

Vale bene.

Salvete omnes,
the way things are, I can just join in Coruncanius' plea: please speak sense!

Galerius' post was more obscure than the things he pretended to explain.

Maybe someone will care to report exactly what happened?

Valete,
Livia

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Well, throwing suspicions of this size whilst not saying exactly what the accusations and the responsibles (wow, yes, 'magistrates'. This gives a wide range of people) of them is not precisely a sign of "transparency".
> And yes, the list is silent... except for the blind accusations thrown to the list by 5 people acting just like trolls/filibusters: breaking all dialogue first, and then demanding transparency and dialogue but, after that, keeping to throw blind accusations and encouraging the people to ask (by the way, encouraging us to do your work, senators).
>
> First it was about elections. When elections are called, it comes "acts of illegality". What acts are these? By whom exactly? Why keeping this harassment and obstruction to any action taken by the magistrates?
> If you know so much of the information, why you are not releasing it? Why a Tribune of Plebs throwns this blind accusation, and after "hopes the other tribunes to tell the truth to the citizens"?
>
> As you requested, I am asking you, senator, and you, tribune.
>
> Speak sense, please.
>
> --
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant.
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> --- El jue, 9/4/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> escribió:
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ave,
>
>
>
> I am extremely glad that some of the information is starting to get reported to the People. I think it is incumbent on the People of Nova Roma to be aware of the words and actions of the Presiding Magistrates of Nova Roma - those that have the power to summon the Senate. I believe it would be beneficial to release specific messages to the review of the People of Nova Roma regarding the now disclosed adjourned Board of Director Meeting earlier this month. Do you know the agenda of the meeting? Do you know why it was adjourned? Do you know what transpired to cause the adjournment? So far to date this has gone completely unreported. Why?
>
>
>
> Other issues should also be discussed - not just in the Senate but here where the people can voice their opinions and concerns as well. Where is the transparency? Where is the accountability? Our Consul speaks of Obstructionism and Filibustering. Yet, the ML is totally silent on many issues! Why is that? I hope that more information will be released - either in summary form or in a post by post release. The time for transparency is now!
>
>
>
> Those of us on the Back Alley (who the Consuls would call obstructionists/ filibusters) have been at the forefront in trying to have more transparency in Nova Roma. I think it is now incumbent for this message to reach the Main List! You are the People of Nova Roma. You have a right to ask your magistrates what is going on! You have a right to demand to know what actions are going on! Speak up Nova Roma! You have no idea what has been going on and you have a a responsibility to know!!!! You should demand your right to know what has been transpiring!
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "galerius_of_ rome" <galerius_of_ rome@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Save et salvete,Greetings and salutations ,Fellow Romans.From time to time it is the duty of the Tribunate of the Plebian Order to post observations on the functioning and the actions of those who have been elected as our representatives in the Senate and upper echelons of our government.Especial ly now on the eve of a new elections.So therefore I wish to tender a report for the benefit of your knowledge, of the actual goings on, of some of our officials, as I feel my duty to do so.Also, I am not making suggestions as to how you should vote.Only to know your candidates and to choose wisely.As it stands at the present time, there are some very disturbing sounds eminating from the Senate of Nova Roma.Some of these things would threaten the rights of the people and consequently diminish the role, of the individual Roman citizen to be able to have the representation, that is called for in our Constitution. I site for one instance that it
>
> > has been discussed, just how to eliminate the Tribunate of the Plebians and to secure the unrivaled power of Consulship.This sounds like an attempted coup attempt, to usurp the rights of the average Roman citizen.Not only are the many debates about subjects which are close to if not downright in total regard for the laws of Nova Roma.Meetings ajourned because no one can agree on anything.With much conduct unbecoming of any official.Profanity and angry indignation among the participants. The questioning of the intelligence of our fine webmaster, who has replaced our last, one run off by the same type of condecending behavior.Making deals and agreements without consulting the people.And the list goes on ad nauseum.A true theatre of the absurd.If it were possible, I would call upon the citizens of our Republic to place a no confidence vote on this group of elected officials, who should be made to explain, these actions to the people or risk re-call.I
>
> > hope that others will step forward without fear to tell our citizens their individual experiences. I call upon my colleagues in the Tribunate to speak out knowing full well the truth of this situation.To all citizens who will stand up for their rights for proper representation as provided by our Constitution and our Lex.
>
> >
>
> > Vale et valete,
>
> > Ap.Galerius Aurelianus
>
> > Tribune of the Plebs
>
> >
>

Cn. Iulius Caesar aedilis curulis, omnibus Quiritibus sal.

Below are the questions for Day 4 (8th April) and today, Day 5 (9th April). Remember in this Ludi contestants can submit answers to previous day's questions right up until the posted close time/date.

Please note I have extended the close date - it is now at midnight Mountain Time on the 10th/11th April, owning to the surge of late entry contestants.

See here for previous day's questions:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Megalenses_2762_AUC_%28Nova_Roma%29

Good luck to all contestants!

Optime valete

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
Aedilis Curulis
Senator
Legatus pro praetore Canada Ulterioris


RULES:

1. Each correct answer is worth 1 point. An extra point may be awarded for an especially detailed and excellent answer.
2. Answers are to be sent to my e-mail address ( gn_iulius_caesar @ yahoo.com )before 12.01 am MT - Mountain Time (GMT -7hrs / CET -8hrs) April 11th.
3. My decision is final in interpreting what is and what isn't a correct answer.

QUESTIONS - DAY 4 (April 8th)

Q31 What name is the rock associated with Niobe known by on Mount Sipylus?

Q32 Two plants were sacred to Attis, ivy and the evergreen pine. What was the significance of the Evergreen Pine?

Q33 Priests of Cybele who mutilated themselves were known in Rome as what?

Q34 What was the other name for these priests?

Q35 In the year 2000, a temple of Isis and Magna Mater was discovered, along with 300 oil lamps. Where was this?

Q36 The Temple of the Magna Mater in Rome was built between which years?

Q37 How many senators were in the embassy sent to Pessinus to secure the Magna Mater?

Q38 What was the name of the Praetor who inaugurated and dedicated the temple of the Magna Mater?

Q39 What was the ancient Greek title for Cybele?

Q40 What did the "moretum" offering consist of?


QUESTIONS - DAY 5 (April 9th)

Q40 What did the "moretum" offering consist of?

Q41 What was the name of the battle that was fought in the spring of 215 BCE between Hasdrubal Barca and Gnaeus Cornelius Scipio Calvus and Publius Cornelius Scipio?

Q42 On a piece of famous armour the tympanon of Cybele lies at the feet of the goddess Tellus. What is that armour?

Q43 A Vestal Virgin welcomed the arrival of Cybele, along with the Consul. What was her name?

Q44 What could the chief priest of Magna Mater be, if he was not something? What was that something?

Q45 What was the name of the Roman poet who lived 99 BCE- ca. 55 BCE who used Cybele as a metaphor?

Q46 The ship carrying the black stone from Pessinus got stuck in the mud of the Tiber. The Vestal sent to welcome it, used an item to free it. What was it?

Q47 In the Hilaria what occurred on the 24th March?

Q48 Who was the head of the embassy sent to Pessinus to secure the Magna Mater?

Q49 Which philosopher was put to death by his countrymen for trying to introduce the cult of Cybele?

Q50 What was the nature of this philosopher's society that made it antagonistic to Cybele?

Cato Popillio Laeno Liviae Plautae SPD

Salve.

Perhaps he could have made the subject line a little less...dramatic, yes you are right (that's why I changed it). But he does have the right to express concerns he may have regarding activities he has witnessed in the Senate.

Livia Plauta, the tribune found some things disturbing in the Senate House recently and he apparently wants to share some of his feelings about them, which is I think well within the power given him by the Constitution:

"To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the citizens informed as to the subjects and results thereof, in such manner and subject to such restrictions as may be defined by law;" (Constitution IV.A.7.d)

As I said earlier, we will see what he has to say.

Vale,

Cato

Poplicola omnibus SPD

I'm not a Senator, and therefore I cannot see what wrongs have happened in
the Senate. However, a "filibuster" is the endlessly dragging out of debate
in order to prevent the measure from ever reaching a vote. Alerting the
people to magisterial mishaps is hardly even close to a "filibuster". Also,
trying to kill a debate by claiming it is invalid (not that I'm saying that
this is happening, but in general) is also not filibustering.

Bene ualete.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:25 PM
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Exposing Senate Acts of Illegality!

> Cato Coruncanio Catoni sal.
>
> Salve.
>
> Well, if the tribune feels that the People should be more informed about
> what he sees going on in the Senate, he is certainly right to express
> that.
>
> Not even taking into consideration your "Gang of Five", exactly how many
> people need to exhibit concern before it is a "valid" complaint, in your
> mind? Do you understand what a filibuster is? Because the consul who
> posted that article used the term incorrectly; you are doing that now as
> well.
>
> At any rate, we will soon see what the tribune has to say. I say good for
> him. Those who have nothing to fear do not care if doors and windows are
> opened, curtains drawn back to shed light.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato
> <l.coruncanius_cato@...> wrote:
>>
>> Salvete omnes,
>>
>> Well, throwing suspicions of this size whilst not saying exactly what the
>> accusations and the responsibles (wow, yes, 'magistrates'. This gives a
>> wide range of people) of them is not precisely a sign of "transparency".
>> And yes, the list is silent... except for the blind accusations thrown to
>> the list by 5 people acting just like trolls/filibusters: breaking all
>> dialogue first, and then demanding transparency and dialogue but, after
>> that, keeping to throw blind accusations and encouraging the people to
>> ask (by the way, encouraging us to do your work, senators).
>>
>> First it was about elections. When elections are called, it comes "acts
>> of illegality". What acts are these? By whom exactly? Why keeping this
>> harassment and obstruction to any action taken by the magistrates?
>> If you know so much of the information, why you are not releasing it? Why
>> a Tribune of Plebs throwns this blind accusation, and after "hopes the
>> other tribunes to tell the truth to the citizens"?
>>
>> As you requested, I am asking you, senator, and you, tribune.
>>
>> Speak sense, please.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Di te incolumem custodiant.
>>
>> L. Coruncanius Cato
>>
>> --- El jue, 9/4/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> escribió:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ave,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am extremely glad that some of the information is starting to get
>> reported to the People. I think it is incumbent on the People of Nova
>> Roma to be aware of the words and actions of the Presiding Magistrates of
>> Nova Roma - those that have the power to summon the Senate. I believe it
>> would be beneficial to release specific messages to the review of the
>> People of Nova Roma regarding the now disclosed adjourned Board of
>> Director Meeting earlier this month. Do you know the agenda of the
>> meeting? Do you know why it was adjourned? Do you know what transpired
>> to cause the adjournment? So far to date this has gone completely
>> unreported. Why?
>>
>>
>>
>> Other issues should also be discussed - not just in the Senate but here
>> where the people can voice their opinions and concerns as well. Where is
>> the transparency? Where is the accountability? Our Consul speaks of
>> Obstructionism and Filibustering. Yet, the ML is totally silent on many
>> issues! Why is that? I hope that more information will be released -
>> either in summary form or in a post by post release. The time for
>> transparency is now!
>>
>>
>>
>> Those of us on the Back Alley (who the Consuls would call
>> obstructionists/ filibusters) have been at the forefront in trying to
>> have more transparency in Nova Roma. I think it is now incumbent for
>> this message to reach the Main List! You are the People of Nova Roma.
>> You have a right to ask your magistrates what is going on! You have a
>> right to demand to know what actions are going on! Speak up Nova Roma!
>> You have no idea what has been going on and you have a a responsibility
>> to know!!!! You should demand your right to know what has been
>> transpiring!
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "galerius_of_ rome" <galerius_of_
>> rome@> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Save et salvete,Greetings and salutations ,Fellow Romans.From time to
>> > time it is the duty of the Tribunate of the Plebian Order to post
>> > observations on the functioning and the actions of those who have been
>> > elected as our representatives in the Senate and upper echelons of our
>> > government.Especial ly now on the eve of a new elections.So therefore I
>> > wish to tender a report for the benefit of your knowledge, of the
>> > actual goings on, of some of our officials, as I feel my duty to do
>> > so.Also, I am not making suggestions as to how you should vote.Only to
>> > know your candidates and to choose wisely.As it stands at the present
>> > time, there are some very disturbing sounds eminating from the Senate
>> > of Nova Roma.Some of these things would threaten the rights of the
>> > people and consequently diminish the role, of the individual Roman
>> > citizen to be able to have the representation, that is called for in
>> > our Constitution. I site for one instance that it
>>
>> > has been discussed, just how to eliminate the Tribunate of the Plebians
>> > and to secure the unrivaled power of Consulship.This sounds like an
>> > attempted coup attempt, to usurp the rights of the average Roman
>> > citizen.Not only are the many debates about subjects which are close to
>> > if not downright in total regard for the laws of Nova Roma.Meetings
>> > ajourned because no one can agree on anything.With much conduct
>> > unbecoming of any official.Profanity and angry indignation among the
>> > participants. The questioning of the intelligence of our fine
>> > webmaster, who has replaced our last, one run off by the same type of
>> > condecending behavior.Making deals and agreements without consulting
>> > the people.And the list goes on ad nauseum.A true theatre of the
>> > absurd.If it were possible, I would call upon the citizens of our
>> > Republic to place a no confidence vote on this group of elected
>> > officials, who should be made to explain, these actions to the people
>> > or risk re-call.I
>>
>> > hope that others will step forward without fear to tell our citizens
>> > their individual experiences. I call upon my colleagues in the
>> > Tribunate to speak out knowing full well the truth of this situation.To
>> > all citizens who will stand up for their rights for proper
>> > representation as provided by our Constitution and our Lex.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Vale et valete,
>>
>> > Ap.Galerius Aurelianus
>>
>> > Tribune of the Plebs
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
>

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato Popillio Laeno Liviae Plautae SPD

Salve.

Perhaps he could have made the subject line a little less...dramatic, yes you are right (that's why I changed it). But he does have the right to express concerns he may have regarding activities he has witnessed in the Senate.

Livia Plauta, the tribune found some things disturbing in the Senate House recently and he apparently wants to share some of his feelings about them, which is I think well within the power given him by the Constitution:

"To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the citizens informed as to the subjects and results thereof, in such manner and subject to such restrictions as may be defined by law;" (Constitution IV.A.7.d)

As I said earlier, we will see what he has to say.

Vale,

Cato

One of the problems, I think, is the what would constitute "breaking the
seal". It would be unfair to demand stuff from the tribune that he cannot
legally share.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "D. Aemilus Severus" <daemilivssevervs@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:23 PM
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Tribune's Report (WAS Re: Exposing SAR)

> Yes, it would be nice if he said something and filled in the blanks. As a
> regular citizen I rely on others to fill in the blanks for me regarding
> certain things. Please stop being abstract and tell us what has upset you
> so and how it affects the regular citizen.
>
> D. Aemilius Severus
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato
> <mlcinnyc@...>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Cato Popillio Laeno Liviae Plautae SPD
>>
>> Salve.
>>
>> Perhaps he could have made the subject line a little less...dramatic, yes
>> you are right (that's why I changed it). But he does have the right to
>> express concerns he may have regarding activities he has witnessed in the
>> Senate.
>>
>> Livia Plauta, the tribune found some things disturbing in the Senate
>> House
>> recently and he apparently wants to share some of his feelings about
>> them,
>> which is I think well within the power given him by the Constitution:
>>
>> "To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the citizens informed
>> as to the subjects and results thereof, in such manner and subject to
>> such
>> restrictions as may be defined by law;" (Constitution IV.A.7.d)
>>
>> As I said earlier, we will see what he has to say.
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> Cato
>>
>>
>>
>

In looking at the 2009 budget I see that there already exists an "Emergency Fund" with $2000 in it. Would the earthquake relief not be an appropriate cause to donate some portion of that to?

V Rutilia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "vallenporter" <magewuffa@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > in addition to that, if I might, I would suggest a 'quick response' action, for example make a donation to the Italian Red Cross for the actual quake's relief asap (and by this I mean forgetting for a minute all quarrels in the Senate).
> >
> > About the proposal for establishing an emergency fund, these are my two cents (if they aren't already considered yet by Aquila) for anyone wishing to take them to the Senate:
> >
> > 1.the fund's purpose should be directed to help and relief NR cives in case of a natural disaster.
> >
> > 2. if no NR cives where affected directly, the Senate should decide the best way to use it (international orgs like Red Cross, etc) or not to use it at all.
> >
> > 3. In any case, the use of the fund would be public and well known to the people (not only within NR, but also to the beneficiary/ies and so) in a way that shows clearly that NR is making the action.
> >
> > 4. the fund should be fed by a n% of NR cives taxpaying (individual and
> > those coming directly from province governors), individual donations (public or private), and/or any other way the Senate might find appropriate.
> >
> > 5. for this purpose, at least two accounts should be set up. One within US
> > borders, so NR cives living there can enjoy tax deductions if they
> > want, and another one within EU borders, so NR cives in EU might do the
> > same (I think this last one might require some bureaucracy). Other accounts might be set up, if needed, for other cives in
> > other parts of the world (south america, etc...). This makes available
> > propper tax deduction for donnors anywhere they come from, and quicker
> > responses when a transfer is needed (moving money from one side of an
> > ocean to another is a lot of paperwork and there is the possibility of
> > central banks' kidnapping of the sum under suspect of it being 'dirty
> > money')
>
> Salve
>
> As we are not in the EU as a legal ORG how do we as NR get a bank acct?to get "propper tax deduction for donnors" we as NR INC have to file a lot of paperwork in the EU as far as I know.we shoul;d look into thsi.
> I think that to set up a bank acct not in NR names that just sends funds to the red cross NO tax deduction would be much faster.
> TPTB should talk with our in house CFO.As that would be the one of the Officer of NR would would under the US Law would have to sign off on this whole things.
> mind you I think a NR Disaster Relief Fund would be nice.
>
> Vale
> Marcus Cornelius felix
>
> Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > As I said, these are my humble five cents.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Di te incolumem custodiant.
> >
> > L. Coruncanius Cato
> >
> > --- El jue, 9/4/09, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@> escribió:
> > De: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@>
> > Asunto: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: NR Disaster Relief Fund / Emergency fund
> > Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > CC: walkyr@
> > Fecha: jueves, 9 abril, 2009 7:56
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve Rutilia,
> >  
> > according to my recommendation for establishing an emergency fund, I have it already on the list I will present to the consules for kindly consideration to adding it to the agenda for the next senate session.
> >  
> > Thank you for your support
> >  
> > Vale bene
> > Titus Flavius Aquila
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Von: enodia2002 <walkyr@>
> > An: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 9. April 2009, 05:32:30 Uhr
> > Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: NR Disaster Relief Fund
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > Thank you, I was indeed misinformed as to the status of the MM project. It would be wonderful to get something like that underway.
> >
> > In that case we would need to set up an entirely new fund for disaster relief, and I amend my request to that formal effort.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Rutilia
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Rutilia,
> > >
> > > enodia2002 <walkyr@> writes:
> > >
> > > > V. Rutilia SPD
> > >
> > > > It's my understanding that at one time funds were raised for an
> > > > archeological project that later foundered and the funds remain.
> > >
> > > If you're thinking about the Magna Mater project, you've been
> > > misinformed. While it has not gone as far as I and many others wish,
> >
> > > it is not dead. Funds raised for the Magna Mater project remain
> > > dedicated to that project, especially since they were donated
> > > explicitly for that project and not to the Nova Roma general fund.
> > >
> > > I would not oppose an effort to make a one-time donation from the Nova
> > > Roma treasury to a reputable disaster relief agency in Italy for
> > > earthquake relief. In fact I might well donate to it. But that's a
> > > very different thing from redirecting funds that have already been
> > > designated for another purpose.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
> > >
> >
>

The Censors need to be removed as a permanent office and restored to
their 18-months-every-5-year role that they held in ancient Rome. This
constant backseat driving is entirely detrimental, as is their
near-stranglehold on the Senate.

The job of registering new cives can easily be transferred to other
lesser magistracies.

FVG

gaiuspopilliuslaenas wrote:

> Laenas Cato sal.
>
> The Tribune has exceeded his reporting responsibilities and he has done a dsservice to Nova Roma with the title of his post and making accusations without any evidence or specifics.
>
> I expect the Censors to post something on this matter soon.
>
> Vale bene.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Ave,

It was not first about elections - this is the entire point! With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about - and that is an unfortunate fact.

The election issue is the ONLY ONE of the issues to hit the ML. There have been a plethora of issues that have gone on without the public being given any notification about. For example the adjourned board meeting - which you left out of your response. Every other Senate / Board of Director meeting has been publicly disclosed - yet that meeting has not. Why not? Do you think that the Consuls are your betters and you should be left in the dark? How Roman is that?

The gang of 5. LOL that is quite witty.

Why don't you ask the Tribune to spell out each issue for more careful analysis before you deign to pass judgment. As the Tribune what are the issues? Or are you saying politics has no place on the ML? I am quite unsure of your logic.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Well, throwing suspicions of this size whilst not saying exactly what the accusations and the responsibles (wow, yes, 'magistrates'. This gives a wide range of people) of them is not precisely a sign of "transparency".
> And yes, the list is silent... except for the blind accusations thrown to the list by 5 people acting just like trolls/filibusters: breaking all dialogue first, and then demanding transparency and dialogue but, after that, keeping to throw blind accusations and encouraging the people to ask (by the way, encouraging us to do your work, senators).
>
> First it was about elections. When elections are called, it comes "acts of illegality". What acts are these? By whom exactly? Why keeping this harassment and obstruction to any action taken by the magistrates?
> If you know so much of the information, why you are not releasing it? Why a Tribune of Plebs throwns this blind accusation, and after "hopes the other tribunes to tell the truth to the citizens"?
>
> As you requested, I am asking you, senator, and you, tribune.
>
> Speak sense, please.
>
> --
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant.
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> --- El jue, 9/4/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> escribió:
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ave,
>
>
>
> I am extremely glad that some of the information is starting to get reported to the People. I think it is incumbent on the People of Nova Roma to be aware of the words and actions of the Presiding Magistrates of Nova Roma - those that have the power to summon the Senate. I believe it would be beneficial to release specific messages to the review of the People of Nova Roma regarding the now disclosed adjourned Board of Director Meeting earlier this month. Do you know the agenda of the meeting? Do you know why it was adjourned? Do you know what transpired to cause the adjournment? So far to date this has gone completely unreported. Why?
>
>
>
> Other issues should also be discussed - not just in the Senate but here where the people can voice their opinions and concerns as well. Where is the transparency? Where is the accountability? Our Consul speaks of Obstructionism and Filibustering. Yet, the ML is totally silent on many issues! Why is that? I hope that more information will be released - either in summary form or in a post by post release. The time for transparency is now!
>
>
>
> Those of us on the Back Alley (who the Consuls would call obstructionists/ filibusters) have been at the forefront in trying to have more transparency in Nova Roma. I think it is now incumbent for this message to reach the Main List! You are the People of Nova Roma. You have a right to ask your magistrates what is going on! You have a right to demand to know what actions are going on! Speak up Nova Roma! You have no idea what has been going on and you have a a responsibility to know!!!! You should demand your right to know what has been transpiring!
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "galerius_of_ rome" <galerius_of_ rome@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Save et salvete,Greetings and salutations ,Fellow Romans.From time to time it is the duty of the Tribunate of the Plebian Order to post observations on the functioning and the actions of those who have been elected as our representatives in the Senate and upper echelons of our government.Especial ly now on the eve of a new elections.So therefore I wish to tender a report for the benefit of your knowledge, of the actual goings on, of some of our officials, as I feel my duty to do so.Also, I am not making suggestions as to how you should vote.Only to know your candidates and to choose wisely.As it stands at the present time, there are some very disturbing sounds eminating from the Senate of Nova Roma.Some of these things would threaten the rights of the people and consequently diminish the role, of the individual Roman citizen to be able to have the representation, that is called for in our Constitution. I site for one instance that it
>
> > has been discussed, just how to eliminate the Tribunate of the Plebians and to secure the unrivaled power of Consulship.This sounds like an attempted coup attempt, to usurp the rights of the average Roman citizen.Not only are the many debates about subjects which are close to if not downright in total regard for the laws of Nova Roma.Meetings ajourned because no one can agree on anything.With much conduct unbecoming of any official.Profanity and angry indignation among the participants. The questioning of the intelligence of our fine webmaster, who has replaced our last, one run off by the same type of condecending behavior.Making deals and agreements without consulting the people.And the list goes on ad nauseum.A true theatre of the absurd.If it were possible, I would call upon the citizens of our Republic to place a no confidence vote on this group of elected officials, who should be made to explain, these actions to the people or risk re-call.I
>
> > hope that others will step forward without fear to tell our citizens their individual experiences. I call upon my colleagues in the Tribunate to speak out knowing full well the truth of this situation.To all citizens who will stand up for their rights for proper representation as provided by our Constitution and our Lex.
>
> >
>
> > Vale et valete,
>
> > Ap.Galerius Aurelianus
>
> > Tribune of the Plebs
>
> >
>

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:

One of the problems, I think, is the what would constitute "breaking the
seal". It would be unfair to demand stuff from the tribune that he cannot
legally share.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "D. Aemilus Severus" <daemilivssevervs@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:23 PM
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Tribune's Report (WAS Re: Exposing SAR)

> Yes, it would be nice if he said something and filled in the blanks. As a
> regular citizen I rely on others to fill in the blanks for me regarding
> certain things. Please stop being abstract and tell us what has upset you
> so and how it affects the regular citizen.
>
> D. Aemilius Severus
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato
> <mlcinnyc@...>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Cato Popillio Laeno Liviae Plautae SPD
>>
>> Salve.
>>
>> Perhaps he could have made the subject line a little less...dramatic, yes
>> you are right (that's why I changed it). But he does have the right to
>> express concerns he may have regarding activities he has witnessed in the
>> Senate.
>>
>> Livia Plauta, the tribune found some things disturbing in the Senate
>> House
>> recently and he apparently wants to share some of his feelings about
>> them,
>> which is I think well within the power given him by the Constitution:
>>
>> "To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the citizens informed
>> as to the subjects and results thereof, in such manner and subject to
>> such
>> restrictions as may be defined by law;" (Constitution IV.A.7.d)
>>
>> As I said earlier, we will see what he has to say.
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> Cato
>>
>>
>>
>

Cato Aemilio Severo Valerio Poplicolo omnibusque in foro SPD

Salvete.

As I mentioned earlier, I believe it is well within the tribunes' Constitutional power to discuss any issues that they feel have an impact on the People and the State. This whole concept of their being a legal so-called "seal" on the Senate is entirely fictitious as far as I can tell. But I'm still looking :)

Valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "D. Aemilus Severus" <daemilivssevervs@...> wrote:
>
> O.k., fair enough. Just not sure how to find out info on what they are
> talking about, so I guess I'll just forget it.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <
> q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > One of the problems, I think, is the what would constitute "breaking the
> > seal". It would be unfair to demand stuff from the tribune that he cannot
> > legally share.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "D. Aemilus Severus" <daemilivssevervs@...<daemilivssevervs%40gmail.com>
> > >
> > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:23 PM
> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Tribune's Report (WAS Re: Exposing SAR)
> >
> >
> > > Yes, it would be nice if he said something and filled in the blanks. As a
> > > regular citizen I rely on others to fill in the blanks for me regarding
> > > certain things. Please stop being abstract and tell us what has upset you
> > > so and how it affects the regular citizen.
> > >
> > > D. Aemilius Severus
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato
> > > <mlcinnyc@... <mlcinnyc%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Cato Popillio Laeno Liviae Plautae SPD
> > >>
> > >> Salve.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps he could have made the subject line a little less...dramatic,
> > yes
> > >> you are right (that's why I changed it). But he does have the right to
> > >> express concerns he may have regarding activities he has witnessed in
> > the
> > >> Senate.
> > >>
> > >> Livia Plauta, the tribune found some things disturbing in the Senate
> > >> House
> > >> recently and he apparently wants to share some of his feelings about
> > >> them,
> > >> which is I think well within the power given him by the Constitution:
> > >>
> > >> "To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the citizens
> > informed
> > >> as to the subjects and results thereof, in such manner and subject to
> > >> such
> > >> restrictions as may be defined by law;" (Constitution IV.A.7.d)
> > >>
> > >> As I said earlier, we will see what he has to say.
> > >>
> > >> Vale,
> > >>
> > >> Cato
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

  
A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Valerio Poplicolae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
  

One of the problems, I think, is the what would constitute "breaking the
seal". It would be unfair to demand stuff from the tribune that he cannot
legally share.

    ATS:  Indeed, and moreover, virtually all of this is the product of a hyperactive imagination, while the rest may be a matter of interpretation.  It is also not the tribunes’ right to discuss the deliberations in curia, only to report the votes; he has exceeded his mandate here.  Sat sapienti verbum.  

    Poplicola, de avibus mortuis quas vidisti:  cujus color erant?  T. americanus/T. migratorius (robin) est avis mediae magnitudinis; passeres aliaeque multae parvae, et minores T. americanis sunt.  Si omnino nigrae et plumae irides continere videbantur, erant graeculi, quae ova et interdum pullos aliarum avium edunt (et sua invicem corvis eduntur).  Si melius has aves describere depingereve possis, fortasse nomina tibi dare possim.  

Vale, et valete.  

--------------------------------------------------
From: "D. Aemilus Severus" <daemilivssevervs@... <mailto:daemilivssevervs%40gmail.com> >
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:23 PM
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Tribune's Report (WAS Re: Exposing SAR)

> Yes, it would be nice if he said something and filled in the blanks.  As a
> regular citizen I rely on others to fill in the blanks for me regarding
> certain things.  Please stop being abstract and tell us what has upset you
> so and how it affects the regular citizen.
>
> D. Aemilius Severus
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato
> <mlcinnyc@... <mailto:mlcinnyc%40gmail.com> >wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Cato Popillio Laeno Liviae Plautae SPD
>>
>> Salve.
>>
>> Perhaps he could have made the subject line a little less...dramatic, yes
>> you are right (that's why I changed it). But he does have the right to
>> express concerns he may have regarding activities he has witnessed in the
>> Senate.
>>
>> Livia Plauta, the tribune found some things disturbing in the Senate
>> House
>> recently and he apparently wants to share some of his feelings about
>> them,
>> which is I think well within the power given him by the Constitution:
>>
>> "To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the citizens informed
>> as to the subjects and results thereof, in such manner and subject to
>> such
>> restrictions as may be defined by law;" (Constitution IV.A.7.d)
>>
>> As I said earlier, we will see what he has to say.
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> Cato
>>
>>
>>
>
  
    

Cato Tulliae Scholasticae sal.

Salve Scholastica.

I must disagree with you, supported by the words of the Constitution cited earlier.

You said:

"it is also not the tribunes' right to discuss the deliberations in curia, only to report the votes..."

yet the Constitution clearly states that the tribunes have the power

"To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the citizens informed as to the subjects and results thereof" (IV.A.7.d)

Once more, I believe that this idea of a "seal" on the Senate is a fiction and not law.

Vale,

Cato

Salvete omnes, For general discussion, -   1. where in the NR law is there a concept of a senatorial "seal"? 2. I'm ignorant on this specific matter: rights, obligations, limits of the Tribune's Office.   I am not taking sides. I am just asking. As a philosopher, I've kept myself mainly to philosopny in Rome, and as a cook, Roman cookery.   Those are good pursuits under the two phases of the empire. So, again, just asking for information solely in terms of my two questions.   Offhand, another question,   Where is Cordus?   Valete omnes, A. Sempronius Regulus --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote: From: Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Tribune's Report (WAS Re: Exposing SAR) To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 1:16 AM Cato Tulliae Scholasticae sal. Salve Scholastica. I must disagree with you, supported by the words of the Constitution cited earlier. You said: "it is also not the tribunes' right to discuss the deliberations in curia, only to report the votes..." yet the Constitution clearly states that the tribunes have the power "To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the citizens informed as to the subjects and results thereof" (IV.A.7.d) Once more, I believe that this idea of a "seal" on the Senate is a fiction and not law. Vale, Cato

d. To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the citizens informed as to the subjects and results thereof, in such manner and subject to such restrictions as may be defined by law;

1 To call the Senate to order;

2. To call the comitia plebis tributa to order, except when the Patrician order shall constitute more than ten percent (10%) of the total population, in which case the power shall be altered to calling the comitia populi tributa to order;

3. To administer the law;

4. To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other tasks, as they shall see fit.

Cato Sempronio Regulo sal.

Salve.

Well, the Constitution's section on tribunes is paramount; after that the lex Didia Gemina de potestate tribunicia is a follow-up, as is the Labiena de intercessione.

I disagree with Scholastica regarding the *extent* of a tribune's right to give Senate "news", so to speak; Scholastica and I tend to have a generally different understanding of the "liberty vs. license" discussion, where (perhaps surprisingly) I am more on the side that favors "liberty"; but I am certainly open to a different interpretation as long as it can be based on the law.

As for the "seal" - well, I think it's an idea that someone once tossed out and it became its own self-replicating thing. I have found no support for it in the law. Yet.

Cordus is relaxing on his country estate :)

Vale,

Cato

Salve Regule,

"A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> writes:

> 1. where in the NR law is there a concept of a senatorial "seal"?

Nowhere. It's a tradition of the Senate as old as Nova Roma. See
http://novaroma.org/nr/Senate_Handbook_(Nova_Roma)#Senate_Traditions

> 2. I'm ignorant on this specific matter: rights, obligations, limits of
> the Tribune's Office.

http://novaroma.org/nr/Codex_Juris_Novae_Romae#Tribunes.2C_their_powers_and_duties

> Where is Cordus?

Cordus has taken a long term leave of absence from the main list.
He's doing his pupillage in a law office in England, which I
understand is a prerequisite to being admitted to the bar. I
correspond with him from time to time, but he usually takes a few
weeks to answer.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

---Pompeia Legate Pro Praetore Regule Sal

Ave governor.

I certainly appreciate your analysis.

And, for sure there is no legal aspect to the 'senate seal'; it is a longstanding tradition or pact amongst Senators to keep Senate business within the Senate body, until votes are formalized, and then this information is given to the people via the Tribunes. It's really not a gag per se on the Tribunes.

In pursuit of the constitutional passages regarding Tribune roles you quoted us below (thank you for your time in this) I'll give you the Plebian law which pursues the constitution in the matter at hand.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Moravia_de_renuntiatione_senatus_actorum_%28Nova_Roma%29

To discuss this Moravia Aventina law from 2003, when the Senate formally assembles in session, the Tribune is to report to the people that such assembly has occurred, the agenda, and when the time comes, the votes of the Senators and their respective comments, and anything else he/she feels he needs to say, to clarify the public's understanding. Tribunes are cautioned not to disclose private, sensitive information, such for example, details about the dismissal of a citizen...basically things which in all decency don't need to be made public. They are asked in this law to collaborate with the Senate with regard to sensitive matters.

I do *not* regard a Senate decision to remove the Tribunes as being a 'private' matter.

But here's the rub: If one Senator in the discussion phase of the session said 'maybe we don't need the Tribunes' , this is hardly an official Senate decision to usurp the tribunes. It takes a supermajority vote of the Senate to do that, as well as a vote of the comitia centuriata, as it involves a constitutional change.

I, as you, don't think that Galerius is at fault to disclose things of this nature to the public per se, but unless he finishes what he starts, I can't really judge the situation accurately, not being privy to Senate debates any longer.

A big NB: I don't *buy into* the notion that because the Senate assembles as a Board of Directors as opposed to a Senate, that the Tribune has no business reporting anything. This is convenient Bogus, the ? motive of which naturally worries me a bit, to be honest. The constitution clearly equates the Senate as Board of Directors, so a Board of Directors meeting is a Senate session and the Tribunes should, as I read it, be reporting such a meeting, and the continent agenda. If the meeting is cut short and no vote, the Tribune should report that too. I don't know from where this misinformation originated, but the Tribunes have full rights to report BOD meetings.

I am not sure what the Censors feel they can *do* to the Tribune; if they notarize him, he himself can veto it, and it takes a majority veto of Tribunes to overthrow his actions. In ancient Rome, a nota couldn't be vetoed; here in NR, it is a legally open action.

I think the Tribunes with respect would do well to familiarize themselves with their laws, obligations and responsibilities to the people. Granted the Tabularium is chronological in nature and it is difficult to crossreference. I know there was a Tribune's handbook at one point...is it still in the files section?

Vale





In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Annaeus Regulus" <t.annaevsregvlvs@...> wrote:

>
> Salve,
>
> A quick snippet from the Constitution.
>
> "7. Tribuni Plebis (Tribune of the Plebs). Five tribunes of the plebs shall be elected by the comitia plebis tributa to serve a term lasting one year. They must all be of the plebeian order, and shall have the following honors, powers, and obligations:
>
> ....(snipped for brevity)...
>
> d. To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the citizens informed as to the subjects and results thereof, in such manner and subject to such restrictions as may be defined by law;
> 1 To call the Senate to order;
> 2. To call the comitia plebis tributa to order, except when the Patrician order shall constitute more than ten percent (10%) of the total population, in which case the power shall be altered to calling the comitia populi tributa to order;
> 3. To administer the law;
> 4. To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other tasks, as they shall see fit.
> I would say that he is doing exactly what his duty as Tribune requires he do. I shall wait until I hear specifics before judging the factuality of his claims, but the validity of him bringing such information to the attention of the citizen body I would say is unquestionable. When the Senate is in good working order then reporting the results of its meetings is keeping citizens informed. When, however, the Senate is not functioning correctly, as he claims, then informing citizens of this would become his duty would it not? Surely the purpose of the Tribune is not to sit idly by, gagged by the seal while the rights of the people are abused.
>
> As for the topics being under the seal of the Senate, that is a tradition not a law (albeit a powerful one) that he has in any case respected by not mentioning specifics. He disclosed enough to alert citizens that things are perhaps not as they should be. He has done his duty of notifying the people, without releasing any sensitive information. What sort of Tribune would allow the Senate to (in his eyes at least) run amok, disrespecting the rights of citizens and circumventing the laws of NR? He has a fine line to walk between respecting Senate customs and doing his duty as a representative of the plebians, and I personally think he has done a fine job and should be commended for it.
>
> Now should it turn out that there is no basis for these claims then perhaps a reprimand is in order, but as we have no evidence for or against at present, I will extend the benefit of the doubt that his actions were justified and in the spirit of his magisterial duty.
>
> Vale,
> T. Annæus Regulus
>
>
> From: A. Tullia Scholastica
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:51 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Tribune's Report (WAS Re: Exposing SAR)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Valerio Poplicolae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> One of the problems, I think, is the what would constitute "breaking the
> seal". It would be unfair to demand stuff from the tribune that he cannot
> legally share.
>
> ATS: Indeed, and moreover, virtually all of this is the product of a hyperactive imagination, while the rest may be a matter of interpretation. It is also not the tribunes' right to discuss the deliberations in curia, only to report the votes; he has exceeded his mandate here. Sat sapienti verbum.
>
> Poplicola, de avibus mortuis quas vidisti: cujus color erant? T. americanus/T. migratorius (robin) est avis mediae magnitudinis; passeres aliaeque multae parvae, et minores T. americanis sunt. Si omnino nigrae et plumae irides continere videbantur, erant graeculi, quae ova et interdum pullos aliarum avium edunt (et sua invicem corvis eduntur). Si melius has aves describere depingereve possis, fortasse nomina tibi dare possim.
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "D. Aemilus Severus" <daemilivssevervs@... <mailto:daemilivssevervs%40gmail.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:23 PM
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Tribune's Report (WAS Re: Exposing SAR)
>
> > Yes, it would be nice if he said something and filled in the blanks. As a
> > regular citizen I rely on others to fill in the blanks for me regarding
> > certain things. Please stop being abstract and tell us what has upset you
> > so and how it affects the regular citizen.
> >
> > D. Aemilius Severus
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato
> > <mlcinnyc@... <mailto:mlcinnyc%40gmail.com> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Cato Popillio Laeno Liviae Plautae SPD
> >>
> >> Salve.
> >>
> >> Perhaps he could have made the subject line a little less...dramatic, yes
> >> you are right (that's why I changed it). But he does have the right to
> >> express concerns he may have regarding activities he has witnessed in the
> >> Senate.
> >>
> >> Livia Plauta, the tribune found some things disturbing in the Senate
> >> House
> >> recently and he apparently wants to share some of his feelings about
> >> them,
> >> which is I think well within the power given him by the Constitution:
> >>
> >> "To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the citizens informed
> >> as to the subjects and results thereof, in such manner and subject to
> >> such
> >> restrictions as may be defined by law;" (Constitution IV.A.7.d)
> >>
> >> As I said earlier, we will see what he has to say.
> >>
> >> Vale,
> >>
> >> Cato
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

M. Valerius Potitus omnibus SPD.

What's all this about the Senate Seal being part of Nova Roma law? The Senate Handbook, which is available to all citizens on the website, states clearly that the Seal is a "Senate Tradition", NOT a part of the law:

"While a great deal of what the Nova Roman Senate does is required or sanctioned by law or constitutional provision there are a few important conventions that have been established by tradition and consensus.

"The first and most important is the Senate seal. This is an unwritten but mutually agreed to procedure in which the content of Senate discussions are kept within the confines of the Senate. Senators may discuss issues between themselves and other Senators as long as non-Senators are not privy to these discussions."

Whether the Seal is a good idea or not, it is not part of the law--it is nothing more nor less than a tradition.

Valete,
Valerius

In a message dated 4/9/2009 6:18:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlcinnyc@... writes:

Once more, I believe that this idea of a "seal" on the Senate is a fiction and not law.

I have always believed we had the seal for two reasons.

 

1. For the employees of NR INC when their activities are being discussed by the Senate, so it does not become common knowledge.

 

2. That Senators during house deliberations or debates do not take advantage of speaking opportunities to impress their audience in NR how great they are.   

 

Is it Roman?  The only time the Republican Senate met among the people was twice a year in the Field of Mars.

 

Q. Fabius Maximus

 

---

Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less.

Salvete
 
And the Romans never did anything for tradition.
 
The Constitution of Nova Roma allows the Senate to set its own rules, rules that cannot be overturned by any Lex. We could pass an SC to codify the Senate seal but have not done so as we like the use of tradition. We expect those who are privy to Senate meeting to respect our traditions.
 
Valete
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
 

 

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: astrobear@...
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:35:05 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Senate Seal

  A. Tullia Scholastica A. Sempronio Regulo C. Equitio Catoni quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

  

Salvete omnes,
For general discussion, -
 

1. where in the NR law is there a concept of a senatorial "seal"?
   

                    ATS:  Business discussed in all magisterial cohors lists is deemed secret unless and until it is time to publish such matters.  Senate discussions are not to be published.  

2. I'm ignorant on this specific matter: rights, obligations, limits of
the Tribune's Office.

    ATS:  They have several rights, including intercessio, but their reporting rights regarding Senate matters are confined to posting the agenda and the votes.  That allows the citizens to see the subjects and result of discussions, which is plenty for that purpose and all that is meant by the constitution.  The senators (and, for that matter, scribae, accensi, and magistrates) speak freely within their respective lists, as do many others in the outside world, which would not be possible if their deliberations were fully public.   Anyone who thinks that personnel discussions at the local school board or corporate ones in boardrooms or political ones in the proverbial smoke-filled rooms are fully open to the public has been ingesting substances not typically found at Walgreen’s.  
 
I am not taking sides. I am just asking. As a philosopher, I've kept
myself mainly to philosopny in Rome, and as a cook, Roman cookery.

    ATS:  Philosophia biou kybernhths.
 
Those are good pursuits under the two phases of the empire. So, again,
just asking for information solely in terms of my two questions.
 
Offhand, another question,
 
Where is Cordus?

    ATS:  Cordus finished his legal education, and after many months’ absence, has reappeared on his provincial list, but not elsewhere (at least not to my knowledge).  He stated that he has been unusually busy this past year, though he has been missing for longer than that.  
 
Valete omnes,
A. Sempronius Regulus

            Vale, et valete.  

--- On Fri, 4/10/09, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

From: Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Tribune's Report (WAS Re: Exposing SAR)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 1:16 AM

Cato Tulliae Scholasticae sal.

Salve Scholastica.

I must disagree with you, supported by the words of the Constitution cited earlier.

You said:

"it is also not the tribunes' right to discuss the deliberations in curia, only to report the votes..."

yet the Constitution clearly states that the tribunes have the power

"To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the citizens informed as to the subjects and results thereof" (IV.A.7.d)

Once more, I believe that this idea of a "seal" on the Senate is a fiction and not law.

Vale,

Cato