>
> Salve Maior,
>
> Whatever the actual motivation(s) behind Sulla's name choice, I think we can both agree that Dexter's question could have been phrased in a more friendly manner and that in how it actually was phrased it much more resembled troll bait than a sincere desire for communucation.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus Graecus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > M. Hortensia G. Petronio spd;
> > you are very astute. As so far there is a lot of argument against you but no answer yet to your question.
> >
> > Now as for me, I chose to revive gens Hortensia for this remarkable woman who protested the Oppian law. I made sure though, that I was not Quinta Hortensia, after the historical Q. Hortensius Hortalus, as indeed this would be roleplaying, having the exact name of a historical person.
> >
> > Who we regard and why when we take a name is indeed significant.
> > For those who don't know about this great Hortensia please read here:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hortensia_(orator)
> > able oratrix, univir, Illustra Hortensia
> > optime valete
> > Marca Hortensia Maior
> >
> > > It would be a very ridiculous case. A law against a question? Where are you living?
> > >
> > > Do not worry, Socrates also, relatively speaking, had many ridiculous questions. But as he knew the main thing are the answers.
> > >
> > > But, unlike him, I shall not drink the hemlock.:o)
> > >
> > > Vale.
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > >
> >
>

> Sulla is being illegally censored here on the ML. You are of course free and have been since the beginning to e-mail or PM him privately to get an answer to your question. Alternatively, you can join the Back Alley board at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley and pose the question to Sulla there, where there is no moderation.

> I sincerely hope you take one of these options, since it would go some way towards proving that your question was honest and not merely a political stunt.

>> Otherwise, if this is what it appears to be by virtue of the question being asked in public and in the manner that it was, the whole event says more about your character than it does about Sulla's.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Graece;
> I know Petronius Dexter, he's a wonderful latinist, and is one of the rare Nova Romans who has made the transition from knowing the Classics into living Romanitas.
>
> So I can assure you, when he asks a question, he is doing it from his Romanitas. Dexter is a doer, he is part of the Circulus Latinus Lutetiensis (Latin Circle of Paris}, a Flamen Portunalis, one of the erudite Gaulois.
> Galli nolunt appellari; as you can imagine;-)
> [ they don't like being called Galli, shades of the eunuch priests of Magna Mater! so I call them Gauls]
>
> optime vale
> Maior
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Salve Maior,
> >
> > Whatever the actual motivation(s) behind Sulla's name choice, I think we can both agree that Dexter's question could have been phrased in a more friendly manner and that in how it actually was phrased it much more resembled troll bait than a sincere desire for communucation.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Gualterus Graecus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > M. Hortensia G. Petronio spd;
> > > you are very astute. As so far there is a lot of argument against you but no answer yet to your question.
> > >
> > > Now as for me, I chose to revive gens Hortensia for this remarkable woman who protested the Oppian law. I made sure though, that I was not Quinta Hortensia, after the historical Q. Hortensius Hortalus, as indeed this would be roleplaying, having the exact name of a historical person.
> > >
> > > Who we regard and why when we take a name is indeed significant.
> > > For those who don't know about this great Hortensia please read here:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hortensia_(orator)
> > > able oratrix, univir, Illustra Hortensia
> > > optime valete
> > > Marca Hortensia Maior
> > >
> > > > It would be a very ridiculous case. A law against a question? Where are you living?
> > > >
> > > > Do not worry, Socrates also, relatively speaking, had many ridiculous questions. But as he knew the main thing are the answers.
> > > >
> > > > But, unlike him, I shall not drink the hemlock.:o)
> > > >
> > > > Vale.
> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius L. Sullae s.p.d.,
>
> Why did you choose as NR citizen names the detestable names of L. Cornelius Sulla "Felix"? Do you dream about dictature and lists of proscription?
>
> Salve.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

> I had to read Pius' post a couple of times because I wasn't sure that someone, reporting the words of an elected magistrate of this res publica, would actually use a Cold War term like "watched".
>

> Who will be "watched" next?
>

> It's that simple.
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From <from@...> wrote:
>
> Gaius Equitius Cato wrote:
> > I had to read Pius' post a couple of times because I wasn't sure that someone, reporting the words of an elected magistrate of this res publica, would actually use a Cold War term like "watched".
> >
>
> "To watch" or "being watched" are common English words for a simple
> concept. If the American usage differs, I have to plead my ignorance,
> though I sincerely doubt it does to anyone but you.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "vallenporter" <magewuffa@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@> wrote:
> >
> > Well I can certainly see problems with this lex.
> >
> > First of all the 10% minimum quota for Patricians is
> > absurdly high. By the Late Republic there were roughly
> > 55 Patricain families in a city with a population of
> > between 600,000 and 1,000,000.
> >
> > I Prefer my Proposed maxium of 5% of the population
> > with no new Patrician families beyond that figure, and
> > truefully even that 5% is far too high to be historic.
> >
> > This section is by far the worst part.
> >
> > "1. Each physically separate household led by a
> > Citizen of legal age shall be considered a separate
> > and independent familia of 'sui iuris' status. Each
> > Citizen of Nova Roma must be a member (or leader) of a
> > familia.
> >
> > The Roman family was what is now called an extended
> > family. It didn't just consist of two adults and some
> > children. It was multi-generational. If you define a
> > modern household as a family this law has the same
> > effect as the present system. It creates legal
> > roadblocks for those who wish to set up a true Roman
> > family.
> >
> > This is just replacing one ahistoric model that
> > citizens are locked into with another ahistoric model
> > that citizens are locked into.
> >
> > --- Marcus Octavius Germanicus <hucke@>
> > wrote:
> > > Salve Luci Sicini,
> > >
> > > > DRUSUS: It's fairly easy to suport the secrective
> > > > Cassius/Labienus proposal since no one outside the
> > > > Senate has the slightest idea exactly what is in
> > > that
> > > > proposal.
> > >
> > > Actually, it was posted here:
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/2599
> > >
> > > > For all any of us know the Junior Consul
> > > > vetoed it over a clause that the Paterfamilis of
> > > > Cornelia have a steak driven through his heart.
> > > ;o)
> > >
> > > That part was eliminated in committee.
> > >
> > > Vale, Octavius.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Consul of Nova Roma
> > > Candidate for Censor 2756:
> > > http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/censor/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >
> > "Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
> > (A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
> > Seneca, Letters to Lucilius
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site
> > http://webhosting.yahoo.com
> >
>

I hereby call for candidates to stand for election to the ordinary magistracies of the Comitia Centuriata and the Comitia Populi Tributa.

Anyone wishing to serve in any of these positions must have been a citizen for at least six months by Kal. Apr. MMDCCLXII (May 1st, 2009) and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen. I will convene the comitia for the elections at the end of April, but candidates are welcome to announce themselves and begin campaigning if they wish.

All potential candidates must contact me with their intention to stand for office directly by sending a message to M.Curiatius.Complutensis at NovaRoma dot org in order to be placed on the ballot. Please include the word "candidate" in the subject of the message, and be sure to tell me your full Nova Roman name and the office for which you will campaign. Simply announcing your candidacy to one of the lists shall not be accepted. You must write to me directly.

Candidacies will be accepted until 21 April 2009 (18.00 hrs CET Rome; 12.00 hrs EST Philadelphia). The contio is tentatively scheduled to begin on 26 April, with the elections to follow tentatively beginning on 3 May.

On behalf of the Res Publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae Romae I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, Senior Consul, hereby issue this call for candidates for the following offices:

I CURULE AEDILE: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

I QUAESTOR: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

II DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

I CUSTOS: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.



Datum sub manu mea ante diem IV Id.  Aprilis M. Curiatio  M. Iulio consulibus, in anno AUC MMDCCLXII.

M. Curiatius Complutensis
M. Iulius Severus

Consules

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS" <complutensis@...> wrote:
>
>
> > I hereby call for candidates to stand for election to the ordinary
> > magistracies of the Comitia Centuriata and the Comitia Populi Tributa.
> >
> > Anyone wishing to serve in any of these positions must have been a
> > citizen for at least six months by Kal. Apr. MMDCCLXII (May 1st, 2009)
> > and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen. I will convene the comitia
> > for the elections at the end of April, but candidates are welcome to
> > announce themselves and begin campaigning if they wish.
> >
> > *_All potential candidates must contact me with their intention to
> > stand for office directly by sending a message to
> > M.Curiatius.Complutensis at NovaRoma dot org in order to be placed on
> > the ballot. Please include the word "candidate" in the subject of the
> > message, and be sure to tell me your full Nova Roman name and the
> > office for which you will campaign. Simply announcing your candidacy
> > to one of the lists shall not be accepted. You must write to me directly.
> > _*
> > Candidacies will be accepted until 21 April 2009 (18.00 hrs CET Rome;
> > 12.00 hrs EST Philadelphia). The contio is tentatively scheduled to
> > begin on 26 April, with the elections to follow tentatively beginning
> > on 3 May.
> >
> > On behalf of the Res Publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae Romae I,
> > Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, Senior Consul, hereby issue this call
> > for candidates for the following offices:
> >
> > I CURULE AEDILE: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762
> > (May 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.
> >
> > I QUAESTOR: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May
> > 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.
> >
> > II DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762
> > (May 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.
> >
> > I CUSTOS: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mai. 2762 (May 1st,
> > 2009). Must be assiduus.
> >
> >
> >
> > Datum sub manu mea ante diem IV Id. Aprilis M. Curiatio M. Iulio
> > consulibus, in anno AUC MMDCCLXII.
> >
> > M. Curiatius Complutensis
> > M. Iulius Severus
> >
> > Consules
> >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Vaughn" <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
> Perhaps you would have us go to the "true" Roman way and have the Patrician families rule us Plebians?
> Or allow only Patricians to hold Sacred Offices?
> When I joined I was under the belief that the title Patrician was for those families that joined in the beginning, that's it. No special privleges no special....anything just a title. However f that's not the case and it's more likeable to be a Patrician then I would like to inquire about becoming one, as I had a deep love for Rome from a young age but no access to the internet.
>
> In fact I have an added question: the above statement is true, I was barred from the internet for the greater part of my life and even with internet was kept from all things Pagan, if I had known of Nova Roma I would've been here from the beginning how does one apply for Partricianship?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@...> wrote:
>
> I think you are getting a bit over the top, here.
>
> We don't follow the Roman custom of regarding patricians as having higher status than plebeians because Nova Roma is pretty much an egalitarian group. For the same reason (as well as because it is illegal and intolerable in civilized countries), we also don't adhere to the Roman historic practice of slavery.
>
> But for Roman practices which can be assimilated into an egalitarian group, such as groupings of people into families, we can afford to follow Roman practice. We can decide to group NR citizens into extended families--or not--as we wish. But given that, we would still follow the egaltarian principle of not allowing the paterfamilias to have power of life or death over his NR 'childre,' as was the historical law.
>
> It is ridiculous to argue, "But if we're going to be historically accurate in X way, then you must want us be the same in Y way. And if we aren't, there must be some hidden benefit going on that I don't know about."
>
> There are criteria for determinig when and how to follow Roman practice or not follow it, in the modern age. You use what works, and don't use what doesn't work.
>
> P. Corva
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Vaughn" <rikudemyx@> wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps you would have us go to the "true" Roman way and have the Patrician families rule us Plebians?
> > Or allow only Patricians to hold Sacred Offices?
> > When I joined I was under the belief that the title Patrician was for those families that joined in the beginning, that's it. No special privleges no special....anything just a title. However f that's not the case and it's more likeable to be a Patrician then I would like to inquire about becoming one, as I had a deep love for Rome from a young age but no access to the internet.
> >
> > In fact I have an added question: the above statement is true, I was barred from the internet for the greater part of my life and even with internet was kept from all things Pagan, if I had known of Nova Roma I would've been here from the beginning how does one apply for Partricianship?
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Rutilia,
>
> I've just sent my proposal to T. Flavius Aquila, who mentioned he would take something to the Senate on next session.
> With the proposal, I also sent a petition for a quick response on the issue, as I said in my original mail.
>
> --
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant.
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
> Candidate to Aedilis Curulis
>
> --- El sáb, 11/4/09, enodia2002 <walkyr@...> escribió:
> De: enodia2002 <walkyr@...>
> Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Disaster Relief
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Fecha: sábado, 11 abril, 2009 6:45
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salvete Omnes
>
>
>
> Have any further steps been taken towards providing disaster relief for the victims in Italy?
>
>
>
> V Rutilia
>

A. Tullia Scholastica Ricudemyci quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
  
    Kindly note that the posts copied below are several years old, excavated from the sub-basement of the list archives.  As you do not give your name, I cannot address you properly, for which I apologize.  
  

Perhaps you would have us go to the "true" Roman way and have the Patrician families rule us Plebians?
Or allow only Patricians to hold Sacred Offices?

    ATS:  This is not the case, and I doubt it was maybe 8 years ago when these posts were written.  

When I joined I was under the belief that the title Patrician was for those families that joined in the beginning, that's it. No special privleges no special....anything just a title. However f that's not the case and it's more likeable to be a Patrician then I would like to inquire about becoming one, as I had a deep love for Rome from a young age but no access to the internet.


    ATS:  You are correct in that patricians were in those gentes (NOT families; these are different things) who were here early on.  However, subsequent legislation has made all new citizens plebeian, no matter what gens they are in, unless they are children born to patrician parents, adopted into a patrician family, or elevated to patrician status, as has been the case with some.  

In fact I have an added question: the above statement is true, I was barred from the internet for the greater part of my life and even with internet was kept from all things Pagan, if I had known of Nova Roma I would've been here from the beginning how does one apply for Partricianship

    ATS:  In the past, one could join a gens which was patrician, but now all gentes have both patrician and plebeian domús (that is, families).  This is more historical, but some who otherwise complain about the absence of the observance of historical practices here find this division inconvenient, which may be the reason why these posts were excavated.  Nova Roma is egalitarian; in fact, the plebeians can do things the patricians cannot, which is why some patricians have chosen to become plebeian.  Members of the pontificate and the various priesthoods belong to both patricians and plebeians, so I doubt that there is much of a distinction there, though I believe that some of the flaminates have such restrictions.  You will also not be eligible to be a Vestal or sacerdos Bonae Deae, so far as I am aware...if that bothers you.  

Vale, et valete.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "vallenporter" <magewuffa@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@> wrote:
> >
> > Well I can certainly see problems with this lex.
> >
> > First of all the 10% minimum quota for Patricians is
> > absurdly high. By the Late Republic there were roughly
> > 55 Patricain families in a city with a population of
> > between 600,000 and 1,000,000.
> >
> > I Prefer my Proposed maxium of 5% of the population
> > with no new Patrician families beyond that figure, and
> > truefully even that 5% is far too high to be historic.
> >
> > This section is by far the worst part.
> >
> > "1. Each physically separate household led by a
> > Citizen of legal age shall be considered a separate
> > and independent familia of 'sui iuris' status. Each
> > Citizen of Nova Roma must be a member (or leader) of a
> > familia.
> >
> > The Roman family was what is now called an extended
> > family. It didn't just consist of two adults and some
> > children. It was multi-generational. If you define a
> > modern household as a family this law has the same
> > effect as the present system. It creates legal
> > roadblocks for those who wish to set up a true Roman
> > family.
> >
> > This is just replacing one ahistoric model that
> > citizens are locked into with another ahistoric model
> > that citizens are locked into.
> >
> > --- Marcus Octavius Germanicus <hucke@>
> > wrote:
> > > Salve Luci Sicini,
> > >
> > > > DRUSUS: It's fairly easy to suport the secrective
> > > > Cassius/Labienus proposal since no one outside the
> > > > Senate has the slightest idea exactly what is in
> > > that
> > > > proposal.
> > >
> > > Actually, it was posted here:
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/2599
> > >
> > > > For all any of us know the Junior Consul
> > > > vetoed it over a clause that the Paterfamilis of
> > > > Cornelia have a steak driven through his heart.
> > > ;o)
> > >
> > > That part was eliminated in committee.
> > >
> > > Vale, Octavius.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Consul of Nova Roma
> > > Candidate for Censor 2756:
> > > http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/censor/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >
> > "Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
> > (A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
> > Seneca, Letters to Lucilius
> >

>
> Salve,
>
> where I say "account" add "bank or paypal". A bank account for any org in any other country else than where it sits, it's quite lot of paperwork. On the other hand, opening a PayPal account it's just 5 minutes.
> About tax deduction, you are right. Lots of paperwork anywhere you go. But it would be fair that every NR citizen could access that, it's a win-win (and everyone happy) issue, but, obviously, not critical.
> One thing to have in mind, is that the fund  is not just to send to whatever org. the Senate choose, but to send it to NR cives in case of danger (and only if no NR cives are in danger, the Senate decides if the fund is used, and for what, or not), and this should be another big issue to resolve: how the funds gets its beneficiaries and by whom.
>
> PS: This mail was written Apr. 9th but it was kept in my "Drafts" box
> until now. I thought I sent it but it seems I missed the button.
>
> --
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant.
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> ---
>
>
>
> Salve
>
>
>
> As we are not in the EU as a legal ORG how do we as NR get a bank acct?to get "propper tax deduction for donnors" we as NR INC have to file a lot of paperwork in the EU as far as I know.we shoul;d look into thsi.
>
> I think that to set up a bank acct not in NR names that just sends funds to the red cross NO tax deduction would be much faster.
>
> TPTB should talk with our in house CFO.As that would be the one of the Officer of NR would would under the US Law would have to sign off on this whole things.
>
> mind you I think a NR Disaster Relief Fund would be nice.
>
>
>
> Vale
>
> Marcus Cornelius felix
>
>
>
> Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
>
>
>
> >
>
> > As I said, these are my humble five cents.
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> >
>
> > Di te incolumem custodiant.
>
> >
>
> > L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> >
>
> > --- El jue, 9/4/09, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ ...> escribió:
>
> > De: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ ...>
>
> > Asunto: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: NR Disaster Relief Fund / Emergency fund
>
> > Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
>
> > CC: walkyr@
>
> > Fecha: jueves, 9 abril, 2009 7:56
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
>
> >
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> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Salve Rutilia,
>
> >  
>
> > according to my recommendation for establishing an emergency fund, I have it already on the list I will present to the consules for kindly consideration to adding it to the agenda for the next senate session.
>
> >  
>
> > Thank you for your support
>
> >  
>
> > Vale bene
>
> > Titus Flavius Aquila
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Von: enodia2002 <walkyr@>
>
> > An: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
>
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 9. April 2009, 05:32:30 Uhr
>
> > Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: NR Disaster Relief Fund
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Salve,
>
> >
>
> > Thank you, I was indeed misinformed as to the status of the MM project. It would be wonderful to get something like that underway.
>
> >
>
> > In that case we would need to set up an entirely new fund for disaster relief, and I amend my request to that formal effort.
>
> >
>
> > Vale,
>
> >
>
> > Rutilia
>
> >
>
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Salve Rutilia,
>
> > >
>
> > > enodia2002 <walkyr@> writes:
>
> > >
>
> > > > V. Rutilia SPD
>
> > >
>
> > > > It's my understanding that at one time funds were raised for an
>
> > > > archeological project that later foundered and the funds remain.
>
> > >
>
> > > If you're thinking about the Magna Mater project, you've been
>
> > > misinformed. While it has not gone as far as I and many others wish,
>
> >
>
> > > it is not dead. Funds raised for the Magna Mater project remain
>
> > > dedicated to that project, especially since they were donated
>
> > > explicitly for that project and not to the Nova Roma general fund.
>
> > >
>
> > > I would not oppose an effort to make a one-time donation from the Nova
>
> > > Roma treasury to a reputable disaster relief agency in Italy for
>
> > > earthquake relief. In fact I might well donate to it. But that's a
>
> > > very different thing from redirecting funds that have already been
>
> > > designated for another purpose.
>
> > >
>
> > > Vale,
>
> > >
>
> > > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
> > >
>
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius L. Ciceroni s.p.d,
>
> > Sulla is being illegally censored here on the ML. You are of course free and have been since the beginning to e-mail or PM him privately to get an answer to your question. Alternatively, you can join the Back Alley board at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley and pose the question to Sulla there, where there is no moderation.
>
> First Sulla is not illegally censored. I am a member of the Praetorian cohors as quaestor of the honourable praetor Cn. Equitius Marinus and I am involved in the moderation of the main list.
>
> Cn. Equitius Marinus publicly wrote in response to Sulla on friday:
> "You are in a moderated status for the same reason everyone else who
> joins the Nova Roma mailing list joins under moderation. It is the
> stated policy and has been for many years. Given that your posts have
> all been approved thus far, I think our actions speak for themselves."
>
> You propose that I join another list, a back alley list? Why? I prefer to write in the main alley, in the sunlight. I do not live behind the scenes.
>
> > I sincerely hope you take one of these options, since it would go some way towards proving that your question was honest and not merely a political stunt.
>
> My question, of course, is honest not a political stunt. I am trully amazing by this choice of names. For example, to be more modern and more young, you can choose between Harry Potter and Draco Malfoy, if you choose Draco Malfoy I think it is interesting for me to know the reasons of this choice.
>
> >> Otherwise, if this is what it appears to be by virtue of the question being asked in public and in the manner that it was, the whole event says more about your character than it does about Sulla's.
>
> Yes it is a frank question, but the sincerity is a Roman vertue, is'nt it?
>
> Vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

L. Iulia Aquila Omnibus S.P.D.

The messages below indicate this Nova Roma and her citizens are a fun game to Senator M. Cornelius Sulla and his colleagues, employing jocular and foul language at the expense of the Nova Roma citizens.

In other posts within the Back Alley, where the Back Alley party resides, you will find blatant disrespect for elected officials, average citizens, Senators and for members of the Collegium Pontificum; some of whom, on their own, attempted to speak to them with good intentions but got lambasted for stating opinions contrary to the Back Alley party's agenda.

They operate behind the shield of Free Speech, even using that sacrosanct concept to degrade and belittle all that is not on their side, all who do not agree with them; even extending to the very people they want to vote them in power.

Yes, you fellow Plebeians were a subject of jokes in the Back Alley where Senator Sulla and Senator Gaius Equitius Cato used your, our,  plebian status as fodder for their entertainment.

Do you want to waste your precious votes on candidates who align themselves with the Back Alley party who see you, my fellow and esteemed plebeians, as nothing more than a joke, as pawns to be sacrificed for their own agenda?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19132

RE: Message #19132 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote: Re: Curule Aedileship Election:

"<sniff> as a patrician, I just can't stand plebs. Period. bleccch.... "

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19135

RE:Message # Re: Curule Aedileship Election On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

"I would rather chew off my own legs and wash them down with my own urine than

become a pleb. No offense to the plebs of course. I'm just saying."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19136

RE: Message# 19136 Re: [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election --- Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

"Ya know you really should not make these kinda of statements when you are ...you know....campaigning! LOL  Just saying! ROFL"

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19134

RE: --- In BackAlley@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

 "Hey you know you can go the Anus route and get adopted...get adopted

again...and then again..until WALA!!! your a lowly Pleb!"

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19136

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

Re: Message# 19138 Curule Aedileship Election  

 

"I love plebs! I think they're wonderful! They get that shine on the dining

table just right - and they work miracles with the atrium pool! I can't imagine

life without those delightful, happy-go-lucky, devil-may-care plebs! Hooray for

plebs! Yay plebs!

OK, did that sound convincing?"

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19147

From our Censor Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, who is himself a plebian, his comments could be perceived as an indication Nova Roma is just another role playing game :RE: 19147 [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election

 

"Salve
 You  ungrateful #@%$&^^*&*@#%&@@
 You are aware are you not ,that you were returned to the Senate by the first pair of Plebeian Censors in Nova Roman history.
 you %^%$%#%%&^Snob
 Vale
 Paulinus"

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19151

From our Aedilis Curulis, Gn Iulius Caesar adds this:

Message# 19151 Re: [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election :

 

"As well you should. Why on earth would a lowly pleb impede the passage of his patrician better? <rests foot on kneeling pleb in the shape of a footstool>. Now don't you have some silver to polish?

 <sniffs louder>"

 

My fellow Plebes, please make note of this, this is full disclosure and indicative of the mindset of those poised to win elections in hopes of taking control of Nova Roma.

Comedians will tell you that there is a strong element of truth in the jest in their routines. However, these are not comedians; these are people who should be taking seriously the very tenets of Nova Roma and the very people, the citizens, of Nova Roma.

These are people who are expecting us to put our confidence, our trust, behind them.

The elections are not joking matter but within the Back Alley political party it is obvious, by this evidence presented this day, that to the Back Alley political party the elections and Nova Roma are joking matter.

 

Cúráte ut valéatis atque di vos incolumes custodiant.

 

L. Julia Aquila

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.
>
> Salve.
>
> Iulia Aquila, I am still interested in knowing if you still think my approach is inconsistent with a desire for adherence to the law.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

  
A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Galerio Paulino quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
  

Salvete
 
This was part of the ML guidelines for most of Nova Roman history. This was part of the guidelines in 2759 when Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus and I served as Praetors. It was part of the guidelines for most, if not all of our predecessors.
 
Our immediate successors had no guidelines at all.

    ATS:  I believe you are referring to Perusianus.  We actually did have guidelines, but he wanted to propose them as a lex rather than post them as an edict.  Certain parties stirred up the crowd which lacks self-control and likes it that way, so the lex did not pass.  
 
"Moderated status (the poster may post but all posts they issue are first reviewed by the Praetors or their designate). The length of moderation shall be determined by the number of offences in the past, the severity of the violation, and the intent to violate. No citizen shall be kept in moderate status for more than 2 (two) months without a firm sentence issued by a legal court as described by the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria <http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-11-24-iii.html> "

    ATS:  If I am not mistaken, the initial term of moderation tends to be six months, and punitive moderation, up to two months.  I believe that Palladius also required 20 posts (not just hello, or I agree), which were also not flame bait, etc.  Those who have been absent for many months or even years may expect to be subjected to initial moderation, especially if they have a history of controversial posts.  In time, that moderation will end if the poster demonstrates proper behavior in a sufficient number of posts that the praetores are satisfied that disruption will not ensue.  If, on the other hand, protests about moderation and other forms of disruption are present, if one flies off the handle (as do some here on a regular basis), or uses inappropriate language, etc., that may not be the case.  This is not the BA; we have minors and many non-citizens here, as well as those who find such behavior unsuitable.  One should take a page from Lentulus, and try to get along rather than protesting about following the same rules as everyone else does.  

    This is standard operating procedure; nothing unusual.  Sulla may not like it, and a former quaestor who openly defied several higher magistrates may not like it, but that is normal practice.  
 
Valete
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
 

Vale, et valete.  

 

---

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: jfarnoud94@...
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:21:09 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Exposing Senate Acts of Illegality!





C. Petronius L. Ciceroni s.p.d,

> Sulla is being illegally censored here on the ML. You are of course free and have been since the beginning to e-mail or PM him privately to get an answer to your question. Alternatively, you can join the Back Alley board at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley and pose the question to Sulla there, where there is no moderation.

First Sulla is not illegally censored. I am a member of the Praetorian cohors as quaestor of the honourable praetor Cn. Equitius Marinus and I am involved in the moderation of the main list.

Cn. Equitius Marinus publicly wrote in response to Sulla on friday:
"You are in a moderated status for the same reason everyone else who
joins the Nova Roma mailing list joins under moderation. It is the
stated policy and has been for many years. Given that your posts have
all been approved thus far, I think our actions speak for themselves."

You propose that I join another list, a back alley list? Why? I prefer to write in the main alley, in the sunlight. I do not live behind the scenes.

> I sincerely hope you take one of these options, since it would go some way towards proving that your question was honest and not merely a political stunt.

My question, of course, is honest not a political stunt. I am trully amazing by this choice of names. For example, to be more modern and more young, you can choose between Harry Potter and Draco Malfoy, if you choose Draco Malfoy I think it is interesting for me to know the reasons of this choice.

>> Otherwise, if this is what it appears to be by virtue of the question being asked in public and in the manner that it was, the whole event says more about your character than it does about Sulla's.

Yes it is a frank question, but the sincerity is a Roman vertue, is'nt it?

Vale.
C. Petronius Dexter

>
> I am a proud Plebeian, and I know whom I will not elect in the coming elections.
>
> Thank you L.Julia Aquila, for sharing this with us.
>
> I had left the Back Alley in disgust before, as their are only insults to citizens of Nova Roma, the use of rude language and last but not least
> it was just boring. Sulla and friends !
>
> Optime valete
> Titus Flavius Aquila
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Von: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...>
> An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Gesendet: Montag, den 13. April 2009, 00:52:31 Uhr
> Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Attn: Plebeian Citizens of Nova Roma Take Note
>
>
>
>
>
> L. Iulia Aquila Omnibus S.P.D.
>  
> The messages below indicate this Nova Roma and her citizens are a fun game to Senator M. Cornelius Sulla and his colleagues, employing jocular and foul language at the expense of the Nova Roma citizens.
> In other posts within the Back Alley, where the Back Alley party resides, you will find blatant disrespect for elected officials, average citizens, Senators and for members of theCollegium Pontificum; some of whom, on their own, attempted to speak to them with good intentions but got lambasted for stating opinions contrary to the Back Alley party's agenda..
> They operate behind the shield of Free Speech, even using that sacrosanct concept to degrade and belittle all that is not on their side, all who do not agree with them; even extending to the very people they want to vote them in power.
> Yes, you fellow Plebeians were a subject of jokes in the Back Alley where Senator Sulla and Senator Gaius Equitius Cato used your, our,  plebian status as fodder for their entertainment.
> Do you want to waste your precious votes on candidates who align themselves with the Back Alley party who see you, my fellow and esteemed plebeians, as nothing more than a joke, as pawns to be sacrificed for their own agenda?
>  
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19132
> RE: Message #19132 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@> wrote: Re: Curule Aedileship Election:
>  
> "<sniff> as a patrician, I just can't stand plebs. Period. bleccch.... "
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19135
> RE:Message # Re: Curule Aedileship Election On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
>  
> "I would rather chew off my own legs and wash them down with my own urine than
> become a pleb. No offense to the plebs of course. I'm just saying."
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19136
> RE: Message# 19136 Re: [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election --- Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@ ...> wrote:
>  
> "Ya know you really should not make these kinda of statements when you are ...you know....campaigning ! LOL  Just saying! ROFL"
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19134
> RE: --- In BackAlley@yahoogrou ps.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@ ...> wrote:
>  
>  "Hey you know you can go the Anus route and get adopted...get adopted
> again...and then again..until WALA!!! your a lowly Pleb!"
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19136
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
> Re: Message# 19138 Curule Aedileship Election  
>  
> "I love plebs! I think they're wonderful! They get that shine on the dining
> table just right - and they work miracles with the atrium pool! I can't imagine
> life without those delightful, happy-go-lucky, devil-may-care plebs! Hooray for
> plebs! Yay plebs!
> OK, did that sound convincing?"
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19147
> From our CensorTiberius Galerius Paulinus, who is himself a plebian, his comments could be perceived as an indication Nova Roma is just another role playing game :RE: 19147 [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election
>  
> "Salve
>  You  ungrateful #@%$&^^*&*@#%&@@
>  You are aware are you not ,that you were returned to the Senate by the first pair of Plebeian Censors in Nova Roman history.
>  you %^%$%#%%&^Snob
>  Vale
>  Paulinus"
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19151
> From our Aedilis Curulis, Gn Iulius Caesar adds this:
> Message# 19151 Re: [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election :
>  
> "As well you should. Why on earth would a lowly pleb impede the passage of his patrician better? <rests foot on kneeling pleb in the shape of a footstool>. Now don't you have some silver to polish?
>  <sniffs louder>"
>  
> My fellow Plebes, please make note of this, this is full disclosure and indicative of the mindset of those poised to win elections in hopes of taking control of Nova Roma.
> Comedians will tell you that there is a strong element of truth in the jest in their routines. However, these are not comedians; these are people who should be taking seriously the very tenets of Nova Roma and the very people, the citizens, of Nova Roma.
> These are people who are expecting us to put our confidence, our trust, behind them.
> The elections are not joking matter but within the Back Alley political party it is obvious, by this evidence presented this day, that to the Back Alley political party the elections and Nova Roma are joking matter.
>  
> Cúráte ut valéatis atque di vos incolumes custodiant.
>  
> L. Julia Aquila
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites:
> I too am a proud plebeian and thank L. Julia Aquila for her posting and forthright speech. Real free speech is a give and take and involves respect.
> I agree with Ti. Flavius Aquila and will only vote for those who respect Nova Roma and her citizens.
> bene valete in pacem deorum
> Marca Hortensia Maior
> Senatrix
> Flaminica Carmentalis
> producer"Vox Romana"
> podcast
> >
> > I am a proud Plebeian, and I know whom I will not elect in the coming elections.
> >
> > Thank you L.Julia Aquila, for sharing this with us.
> >
> > I had left the Back Alley in disgust before, as their are only insults to citizens of Nova Roma, the use of rude language and last but not least
> > it was just boring. Sulla and friends !
> >
> > Optime valete
> > Titus Flavius Aquila
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Von: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@>
> > An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Gesendet: Montag, den 13. April 2009, 00:52:31 Uhr
> > Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Attn: Plebeian Citizens of Nova Roma Take Note
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > L. Iulia Aquila Omnibus S.P.D.
> >  
> > The messages below indicate this Nova Roma and her citizens are a fun game to Senator M. Cornelius Sulla and his colleagues, employing jocular and foul language at the expense of the Nova Roma citizens.
> > In other posts within the Back Alley, where the Back Alley party resides, you will find blatant disrespect for elected officials, average citizens, Senators and for members of theCollegium Pontificum; some of whom, on their own, attempted to speak to them with good intentions but got lambasted for stating opinions contrary to the Back Alley party's agenda..
> > They operate behind the shield of Free Speech, even using that sacrosanct concept to degrade and belittle all that is not on their side, all who do not agree with them; even extending to the very people they want to vote them in power.
> > Yes, you fellow Plebeians were a subject of jokes in the Back Alley where Senator Sulla and Senator Gaius Equitius Cato used your, our,  plebian status as fodder for their entertainment.
> > Do you want to waste your precious votes on candidates who align themselves with the Back Alley party who see you, my fellow and esteemed plebeians, as nothing more than a joke, as pawns to be sacrificed for their own agenda?
> >  
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19132
> > RE: Message #19132 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@> wrote: Re: Curule Aedileship Election:
> >  
> > "<sniff> as a patrician, I just can't stand plebs. Period. bleccch.... "
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19135
> > RE:Message # Re: Curule Aedileship Election On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
> >  
> > "I would rather chew off my own legs and wash them down with my own urine than
> > become a pleb. No offense to the plebs of course. I'm just saying."
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19136
> > RE: Message# 19136 Re: [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election --- Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@ ...> wrote:
> >  
> > "Ya know you really should not make these kinda of statements when you are ...you know....campaigning ! LOL  Just saying! ROFL"
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19134
> > RE: --- In BackAlley@yahoogrou ps.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@ ...> wrote:
> >  
> >  "Hey you know you can go the Anus route and get adopted...get adopted
> > again...and then again..until WALA!!! your a lowly Pleb!"
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19136
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
> > Re: Message# 19138 Curule Aedileship Election  
> >  
> > "I love plebs! I think they're wonderful! They get that shine on the dining
> > table just right - and they work miracles with the atrium pool! I can't imagine
> > life without those delightful, happy-go-lucky, devil-may-care plebs! Hooray for
> > plebs! Yay plebs!
> > OK, did that sound convincing?"
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19147
> > From our CensorTiberius Galerius Paulinus, who is himself a plebian, his comments could be perceived as an indication Nova Roma is just another role playing game :RE: 19147 [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election
> >  
> > "Salve
> >  You  ungrateful #@%$&^^*&*@#%&@@
> >  You are aware are you not ,that you were returned to the Senate by the first pair of Plebeian Censors in Nova Roman history.
> >  you %^%$%#%%&^Snob
> >  Vale
> >  Paulinus"
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19151
> > From our Aedilis Curulis, Gn Iulius Caesar adds this:
> > Message# 19151 Re: [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election :
> >  
> > "As well you should. Why on earth would a lowly pleb impede the passage of his patrician better? <rests foot on kneeling pleb in the shape of a footstool>. Now don't you have some silver to polish?
> >  <sniffs louder>"
> >  
> > My fellow Plebes, please make note of this, this is full disclosure and indicative of the mindset of those poised to win elections in hopes of taking control of Nova Roma.
> > Comedians will tell you that there is a strong element of truth in the jest in their routines. However, these are not comedians; these are people who should be taking seriously the very tenets of Nova Roma and the very people, the citizens, of Nova Roma.
> > These are people who are expecting us to put our confidence, our trust, behind them.
> > The elections are not joking matter but within the Back Alley political party it is obvious, by this evidence presented this day, that to the Back Alley political party the elections and Nova Roma are joking matter.
> >  
> > Cúráte ut valéatis atque di vos incolumes custodiant.
> >  
> > L. Julia Aquila
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I am a proud Plebeian, and I know whom I will not elect in the coming elections.
>
> Thank you L.Julia Aquila, for sharing this with us.
>
> I had left the Back Alley in disgust before, as their are only insults to citizens of Nova Roma, the use of rude language and last but not least
> it was just boring. Sulla and friends !
>
> Optime valete
> Titus Flavius Aquila
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Von: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...>
> An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Gesendet: Montag, den 13. April 2009, 00:52:31 Uhr
> Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Attn: Plebeian Citizens of Nova Roma Take Note
>
>
>
>
>
> L. Iulia Aquila Omnibus S.P.D.
>  
> The messages below indicate this Nova Roma and her citizens are a fun game to Senator M. Cornelius Sulla and his colleagues, employing jocular and foul language at the expense of the Nova Roma citizens.
> In other posts within the Back Alley, where the Back Alley party resides, you will find blatant disrespect for elected officials, average citizens, Senators and for members of theCollegium Pontificum; some of whom, on their own, attempted to speak to them with good intentions but got lambasted for stating opinions contrary to the Back Alley party's agenda..
> They operate behind the shield of Free Speech, even using that sacrosanct concept to degrade and belittle all that is not on their side, all who do not agree with them; even extending to the very people they want to vote them in power.
> Yes, you fellow Plebeians were a subject of jokes in the Back Alley where Senator Sulla and Senator Gaius Equitius Cato used your, our,  plebian status as fodder for their entertainment.
> Do you want to waste your precious votes on candidates who align themselves with the Back Alley party who see you, my fellow and esteemed plebeians, as nothing more than a joke, as pawns to be sacrificed for their own agenda?
>  
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19132
> RE: Message #19132 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@> wrote: Re: Curule Aedileship Election:
>  
> "<sniff> as a patrician, I just can't stand plebs. Period. bleccch.... "
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19135
> RE:Message # Re: Curule Aedileship Election On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
>  
> "I would rather chew off my own legs and wash them down with my own urine than
> become a pleb. No offense to the plebs of course. I'm just saying."
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19136
> RE: Message# 19136 Re: [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election --- Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@ ...> wrote:
>  
> "Ya know you really should not make these kinda of statements when you are ...you know....campaigning ! LOL  Just saying! ROFL"
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19134
> RE: --- In BackAlley@yahoogrou ps.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@ ...> wrote:
>  
>  "Hey you know you can go the Anus route and get adopted...get adopted
> again...and then again..until WALA!!! your a lowly Pleb!"
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19136
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
> Re: Message# 19138 Curule Aedileship Election  
>  
> "I love plebs! I think they're wonderful! They get that shine on the dining
> table just right - and they work miracles with the atrium pool! I can't imagine
> life without those delightful, happy-go-lucky, devil-may-care plebs! Hooray for
> plebs! Yay plebs!
> OK, did that sound convincing?"
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19147
> From our CensorTiberius Galerius Paulinus, who is himself a plebian, his comments could be perceived as an indication Nova Roma is just another role playing game :RE: 19147 [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election
>  
> "Salve
>  You  ungrateful #@%$&^^*&*@#%&@@
>  You are aware are you not ,that you were returned to the Senate by the first pair of Plebeian Censors in Nova Roman history.
>  you %^%$%#%%&^Snob
>  Vale
>  Paulinus"
>  
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19151
> From our Aedilis Curulis, Gn Iulius Caesar adds this:
> Message# 19151 Re: [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election :
>  
> "As well you should. Why on earth would a lowly pleb impede the passage of his patrician better? <rests foot on kneeling pleb in the shape of a footstool>. Now don't you have some silver to polish?
>  <sniffs louder>"
>  
> My fellow Plebes, please make note of this, this is full disclosure and indicative of the mindset of those poised to win elections in hopes of taking control of Nova Roma.
> Comedians will tell you that there is a strong element of truth in the jest in their routines. However, these are not comedians; these are people who should be taking seriously the very tenets of Nova Roma and the very people, the citizens, of Nova Roma.
> These are people who are expecting us to put our confidence, our trust, behind them.
> The elections are not joking matter but within the Back Alley political party it is obvious, by this evidence presented this day, that to the Back Alley political party the elections and Nova Roma are joking matter.
>  
> Cúráte ut valéatis atque di vos incolumes custodiant.
>  
> L. Julia Aquila
>

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 17:55, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
> Senator Cato, It is my understanding you feel slighted that I did not answer your post to me.
> It was not my intention.
> I apologize as I did not see it.
> I was also very busy and do not have the time it appears you and your friends in the Back Alley party have to devote to continual online banter. By amount of time the Back Alley party spends on the MLs, along with individual timestamps, it appears that perhaps you are fortunate to have very understanding families and understanding employees who afford frequent breaks so you all can further your agendas; surely you would not be doing that on company time as that might be against company policy and surely you would not do anything that would risk your livelihood.
> No matter.



--
Deism: A Non-Prophet Religion

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites:
> I too am a proud plebeian and thank L. Julia Aquila for her posting and forthright speech. Real free speech is a give and take and involves respect.
> I agree with Ti. Flavius Aquila and will only vote for those who respect Nova Roma and her citizens.
> bene valete in pacem deorum
> Marca Hortensia Maior
> Senatrix
> Flaminica Carmentalis
> producer"Vox Romana"
> podcast
> >
> > I am a proud Plebeian, and I know whom I will not elect in the coming elections.
> >
> > Thank you L.Julia Aquila, for sharing this with us.
> >
> > I had left the Back Alley in disgust before, as their are only insults to citizens of Nova Roma, the use of rude language and last but not least
> > it was just boring. Sulla and friends !
> >
> > Optime valete
> > Titus Flavius Aquila
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Von: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@>
> > An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Gesendet: Montag, den 13. April 2009, 00:52:31 Uhr
> > Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Attn: Plebeian Citizens of Nova Roma Take Note
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > L. Iulia Aquila Omnibus S.P.D.
> >  
> > The messages below indicate this Nova Roma and her citizens are a fun game to Senator M. Cornelius Sulla and his colleagues, employing jocular and foul language at the expense of the Nova Roma citizens.
> > In other posts within the Back Alley, where the Back Alley party resides, you will find blatant disrespect for elected officials, average citizens, Senators and for members of theCollegium Pontificum; some of whom, on their own, attempted to speak to them with good intentions but got lambasted for stating opinions contrary to the Back Alley party's agenda..
> > They operate behind the shield of Free Speech, even using that sacrosanct concept to degrade and belittle all that is not on their side, all who do not agree with them; even extending to the very people they want to vote them in power.
> > Yes, you fellow Plebeians were a subject of jokes in the Back Alley where Senator Sulla and Senator Gaius Equitius Cato used your, our,  plebian status as fodder for their entertainment.
> > Do you want to waste your precious votes on candidates who align themselves with the Back Alley party who see you, my fellow and esteemed plebeians, as nothing more than a joke, as pawns to be sacrificed for their own agenda?
> >  
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19132
> > RE: Message #19132 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@> wrote: Re: Curule Aedileship Election:
> >  
> > "<sniff> as a patrician, I just can't stand plebs. Period. bleccch.... "
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19135
> > RE:Message # Re: Curule Aedileship Election On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
> >  
> > "I would rather chew off my own legs and wash them down with my own urine than
> > become a pleb. No offense to the plebs of course. I'm just saying."
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19136
> > RE: Message# 19136 Re: [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election --- Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@ ...> wrote:
> >  
> > "Ya know you really should not make these kinda of statements when you are ...you know....campaigning ! LOL  Just saying! ROFL"
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19134
> > RE: --- In BackAlley@yahoogrou ps.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@ ...> wrote:
> >  
> >  "Hey you know you can go the Anus route and get adopted...get adopted
> > again...and then again..until WALA!!! your a lowly Pleb!"
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19136
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
> > Re: Message# 19138 Curule Aedileship Election  
> >  
> > "I love plebs! I think they're wonderful! They get that shine on the dining
> > table just right - and they work miracles with the atrium pool! I can't imagine
> > life without those delightful, happy-go-lucky, devil-may-care plebs! Hooray for
> > plebs! Yay plebs!
> > OK, did that sound convincing?"
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19147
> > From our CensorTiberius Galerius Paulinus, who is himself a plebian, his comments could be perceived as an indication Nova Roma is just another role playing game :RE: 19147 [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election
> >  
> > "Salve
> >  You  ungrateful #@%$&^^*&*@#%&@@
> >  You are aware are you not ,that you were returned to the Senate by the first pair of Plebeian Censors in Nova Roman history.
> >  you %^%$%#%%&^Snob
> >  Vale
> >  Paulinus"
> >  
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19151
> > From our Aedilis Curulis, Gn Iulius Caesar adds this:
> > Message# 19151 Re: [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election :
> >  
> > "As well you should. Why on earth would a lowly pleb impede the passage of his patrician better? <rests foot on kneeling pleb in the shape of a footstool>. Now don't you have some silver to polish?
> >  <sniffs louder>"
> >  
> > My fellow Plebes, please make note of this, this is full disclosure and indicative of the mindset of those poised to win elections in hopes of taking control of Nova Roma.
> > Comedians will tell you that there is a strong element of truth in the jest in their routines. However, these are not comedians; these are people who should be taking seriously the very tenets of Nova Roma and the very people, the citizens, of Nova Roma.
> > These are people who are expecting us to put our confidence, our trust, behind them.
> > The elections are not joking matter but within the Back Alley political party it is obvious, by this evidence presented this day, that to the Back Alley political party the elections and Nova Roma are joking matter.
> >  
> > Cúráte ut valéatis atque di vos incolumes custodiant.
> >  
> > L. Julia Aquila
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.
>
> Salve.
>
> Your close scrutiny of "timestamps" and whatnot belies your casual attitude towards this obsession you have with how much time I, or anyone else, spends online. Your conjecture about our personal lives is...well, it's a little creepy.
>
> To answer your...comments.
>
> Did I claim to be a lawyer? Did I claim to be a paralegal? Where on earth would you go with that? What is your point? Please show me the post or posts where I claim to be something that you seemingly triumphantly point out that I am not.
>
> One does not have to be a lawyer to be able to read and understand legal concepts, Iulia Aquila. This is the kind of nonsense that the magistrates currently neck-deep in violations of the law would like the quirites to think. They have obviously convinced you.
>
> If you see "nothing" then your attention to the posts on the Back Alley are seriously and terribly prejudicially lacking. Go back and read everything (without fiocussing on timestamps but on what's being written), then return and tell me that I have not been trying out all kinds of different ways to help Nova Roma out of the peculiar legal morass she has developed around her.
>
> I have even put up a full platform of reforms and suggestions, so pull the other one, it's got bells on it.
>
> Yes, I keep repeating a basic statement: our elected magistrates have failed miserably at complying with so much of our law that I am stunned. I keep repeating it because people like you keep failing to see beyond the odd and inexplicable self-interest they have to the kind of impact this has on the entire structure - moral, legal, emotional - of the State.
>
> I will keep repeating this. I will repeat it whether I am elected or not. I will repeat it until it is corrected. If people want to elect me I gladly will serve. If people - like you - reject me because I will not let go of an issue that I believe strikes to the heart of our res publica, so be it. I cannot force - I will not "demand" - people to do anything. They can judge me, just like you have.
>
> The day after the elections, whether I am in the aedile's chair or not, I will be repeating this if it has not been corrected.
>
> I care about the *law*, not these cults of personality.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.
>
> Salve!
>
> LOL that's awesome! Brava!
>
> You know what the difference is between here and the Back Alley?
>
> You can say whatever you want and you're still welcome to stay and post unmoderated.
>
> One of the marks of an adult mind is discernment. The plebeians who read this comic interchange aren't howling.
>
> Why didn't you post the whole argument about whether or not Pluto is a planet? Or whether or not wearing a masque with a long nose actually keeps away the plague?
>
> I'm sure you could find someone somewhere who might actually take this sort of thing seriously.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

>
>
> Be glad you guys it is all on the web,
>
> If you would be closer to me... I would come after you in real life
> and the Roman Way believe me by my real Roman blood !!!
>
> Rota
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...>
> *To:* Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:52:31 PM
> *Subject:* [Nova-Roma] Attn: Plebeian Citizens of Nova Roma Take Note
>
> L. Iulia Aquila Omnibus S.P.D.
>
>
>
> The messages below indicate this Nova Roma and her citizens are a fun
> game to Senator M. Cornelius Sulla and his colleagues, employing
> jocular and foul language at the expense of the Nova Roma citizens.
>
> In other posts within the Back Alley, where the Back Alley party
> resides, you will find blatant disrespect for elected officials,
> average citizens, Senators and for members of the Collegium
> Pontificum; some of whom, on their own, attempted to speak to them
> with good intentions but got lambasted for stating opinions contrary
> to the Back Alley party's agenda.
>
> They operate behind the shield of Free Speech, even using that
> sacrosanct concept to degrade and belittle all that is not on their
> side, all who do not agree with them; even extending to the very
> people they want to vote them in power.
>
> Yes, you fellow Plebeians were a subject of jokes in the Back Alley
> where Senator Sulla and Senator Gaius Equitius Cato used your, our,
> plebian status as fodder for their entertainment.
>
> Do you want to waste your precious votes on candidates who align
> themselves with the Back Alley party who see you, my fellow and
> esteemed plebeians, as nothing more than a joke, as pawns to be
> sacrificed for their own agenda?
>
>
>
>
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19132
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19132>
>
> RE: Message #19132 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato
> <mlcinnyc@...
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/post?postID=S7DczOrXw4asH-XeZE3jvGe-RP91dobHMYK2EML4_p9qiwtksRtFvVXUZWDB5wXjpx6klDPAnZw>>
> wrote: Re: Curule Aedileship Election:
>
>
>
> "<sniff> as a patrician, I just can't stand plebs. Period. bleccch.... "
>
>
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19135
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19135>
>
> RE:Message # Re: Curule Aedileship Election On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at
> 5:46 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/post?postID=ZCsqVvyn4QtOd8p9O3mFIiqhVmZA6snRC73nHDw4B5iLVZuMMkalWGYei6iwO8gWRNWvZkE28H8>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> "I would rather chew off my own legs and wash them down with my own
> urine than
>
> become a pleb. No offense to the plebs of course. I'm just saying."
>
>
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19136
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19136>
>
> RE: Message# 19136 Re: [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election ---
> Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@ ...> wrote:
>
>
>
> "Ya know you really should not make these kinda of statements when you
> are ...you know....campaigning ! LOL Just saying! ROFL"
>
>
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19134
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19134>
>
> RE: --- In BackAlley@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com/>, Robert
> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@ ...> wrote:
>
>
>
> "Hey you know you can go the Anus route and get adopted...get adopted
>
> again...and then again..until WALA!!! your a lowly Pleb!"
>
>
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19136
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19136>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/post?postID=KufZcbPQlAcWRx84RvZzFBjc9kxGLNMEMz4BWZa3JCLvbe0JApG9WeDSHv0N75DEXMNSpzIM-Ao0Hg>>
> wrote:
>
> Re: Message# 19138 Curule Aedileship Election
>
>
>
> "I love plebs! I think they're wonderful! They get that shine on the
> dining
>
> table just right - and they work miracles with the atrium pool! I
> can't imagine
>
> life without those delightful, happy-go-lucky, devil-may-care plebs!
> Hooray for
>
> plebs! Yay plebs!
>
> OK, did that sound convincing?"
>
>
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19147
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19147>
>
> From our Censor Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, who is himself a plebian,
> his comments could be perceived as an indication Nova Roma is just
> another role playing game :RE: 19147 [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship
> Election
>
>
>
> "Salve
> You ungrateful #@%$&^^*&*@#%
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/post?postID=a7GUK2vEOH5JRFcA3UFQ3kZeix2-HD9QC2IaarRwVbVij8LW-UDGSmdPKOAgCFhZivBusy_kltbvS9V9>&@@
> You are aware are you not ,that you were returned to the Senate by
> the first pair of Plebeian Censors in Nova Roman history.
> you %^%$%#%%&^Snob
> Vale
> Paulinus"
>
>
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BackAlley/ message/19151
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/message/19151>
>
> From our Aedilis Curulis, Gn Iulius Caesar adds this:
>
> Message# 19151 Re: [BackAlley] Re: Curule Aedileship Election :
>
>
>
> "As well you should. Why on earth would a lowly pleb impede the
> passage of his patrician better? <rests foot on kneeling pleb in the
> shape of a footstool>. Now don't you have some silver to polish?
>
> <sniffs louder>"
>
>
>
> My fellow Plebes, please make note of this, this /is/ full disclosure
> and indicative of the mindset of those poised to win elections in
> hopes of taking control of Nova Roma.
>
> Comedians will tell you that there is a strong element of truth in the
> jest in their routines. However, these are not comedians; these are
> people who should be taking seriously the very tenets of Nova Roma and
> the very people, the citizens, of Nova Roma.
>
> These are people who are expecting /us/ to put our confidence, our
> trust, behind them.
>
> The elections are /not/ joking matter but within the Back Alley
> political party it is obvious, by this evidence presented this day,
> that to the Back Alley political party the elections and Nova Roma are
> joking matter.
>
>
>
> Cúráte ut valéatis atque di vos incolumes custodiant.
>
>
>
> L. Julia Aquila
>
>
>
>
>