Opinions vary.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Blah, blah, blah...
>
> Laenas was right about you. And it seems like I was too!
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Robert Woolwine <
> l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Once again - my attorney a degree holder (hehe Maior) who is licensed,
> > bonded and insured researched my situation and he stated I would have won.
> > :) All because of you. You are the one that jeopardized NR's existence.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Cato Patrick D. Owen sal.

Salve!

Good to see that you acknowledge my rights as a member of the corporation under the law.

Done. She should be receiving it in the next two days or so. Now mind you, Laeca acknowledged in private email that she knew exactly who I was by using my macronational name, and I did the same in return, so the claim of use of an "alias" is quite irrelevant. She also voted on the Senate List *after* I had posted this request as well, so it is obvious that she has access to that List and was able to see the request there.

On that note, are you likewise going to demand that all official business be done under our macronational names? Whenever we vote to add to or repeal from our leges, we are changing our bylaws, which has macronational consequences. The Senate, likewise, when issuing senatus consulta, is making changes that affect us macronationally. Edicta of the magistrates the same. Shall we follow this pattern and only be allowed to conduct business using our macronational names?

Shall we then abandon our Roman names altogether as the only action we can take using them is talking here on the Lists?

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> Dear Director,
>
> Please make your request to the CFO?in writing and forward?it by registered mail to the Post Office Box in Connecticut.? A request by email which is not considered a secure medium of communication (i.e., it cannot confirm the point or person of origin nor is it guaranteed to be received).
>
> Furthermore, you are making this request under an alias that may or may not be registered or recognized by Maine or Federal Law.? In order to avoid the appearance of impropriety, please follow the appropriate business usages and include your legal name, NR name, appropriate address, etc.
>
> Thank you for your?devotion to following the LAW.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Patrick D. Owen,
> Director, Nova Roma, Inc.?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 8:30 am
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Request for Financial Records
>
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>
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> Cato Equestriae Iuniae Laecae omnibusque in foro SPD
>
> Salve et salvete.
>
> Equestria Iunia Laeca, in accordance with the governing act of the State of Maine under which we are incorporated, Title 13-B Section 715.1, I, as a member of the corporation and a member of the Board of Directors of the corporation, once *again* request notarized copies of any and all documentation regarding compliance with Federal and State agencies with regard to solicitation of funs on the behalf of Nova Roma, Inc. specifically, but not limited to, the Magna Mater Project.
>
> Please send them by registered mail. You should have my address in New York City to which they may be sent, but if you do not, I will supply you with it. Please include a copy of the receipt for any expenses incurred; the original request was made over 5 business days ago, and so legally the costs of these copies are now the responsibility of the corporation, but I am willing to waive the corporation's financial obligation in the interests of receiving them in a timely manner, that is, within 5 business days of this writing. I will personally reimburse you by whatever means you may find most accommodating.
>
> Vale et valete,
>
> G. Equitius Cato
> Praetoris
> Senator
>

Cato Iuniae Laecae sal.

Salve!

Prompted by such strong voices, and in the interests of the respublica, I here and now offer you my services in whatever capacity in which they may be most useful to aid you in your duties as CFO. I do *not* have a degree in finance, nor am I an accountant, but I can work a mean Excel spreadsheet.

I realize that right now you may not be speaking to me or reading what I write, but I trust that one of the voices here that has been so strident will ensure that you receive my offer.

Vale,

Cato

Vale.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gaius Petronius Dexter <jfarnoud94@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 1:35 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma is not the Maine State.

Aurelianus Cato sal.

Exactly.  Because many of our active citizens see you in a negative way, your positive or affirmative actions are either ignored or swept under the rug to your bad manners and verbosity.  You cannot lead or reform if you are not respected or liked/loved.  A martinet may be the picture of military efficiency but if he is despised by his troops, it is likely he will be "fragged" rather than followed.  I don't like you myself but I respect your position in Nova Roma sufficiently to see that you get a fair shake.

It would be more helpful if you would find the middle ground with those whose opinions differ from your own so that you could accomplish your goals for Nova Roma by concensus.  It is very easy to ignore the irritating actions and words of an individual but very difficult to ignore the words of five or six individuals who might have one irritating individual and several who are respected.  If you had truly wanted to receive help with your goals and ideals, you should have privately convinced others by means of private communication.  If your words were perceived by them to have value, then they would have persuaded others.  Instead, you have alienated the majority of the active citizens and now, some of the not active citizens while being supported by only those who have also alienated the majority.

You should not prefer to be a "whiny whistle blower" when you can be more than that and do good for the Senate and People of Nova Roma and Nova Roma, Inc.  You are not without gifts of eloquence nor are you berefit of conscious or morality.  You should use your natural and accumulated ability to persuade, conjole, and admonish with kindness to insure that we are in the good graces of state and federal law as well as being in good concord with one another.

We cannot change the past but we can work toward the present and the future by communicating with one another in a positive and productive way to gradually accomplish all of our goals.  The active members should take a good long look at all the state and Federal laws that effect our organization.  The webmaster and magistrates should see that they are linked to our site.  The Board of Directors should arrange on physical annual meeting with conference calls to those who cannot attend.

You have accomplished one positive effect which is that Nova Roma is more likely to be aware of macronational law in regard to our organization and what we need to do to maintain a healthy relationship under those laws.

Vale.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 8:56 am
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine

C. Petronius Fl. Aureliano s.p.d.,

>> Nous ne pouvons pas être ignorants des lois de l'état du Maine ou des Etats-Unis.

Ok. But in which case the laws of the Maine or the laws of the USA are appropriate to rule our citizenship or our existence? For example, I know that some states are pro the penalty of death, others are contra. Us in Europe, we are contra the penalty of death. What is the law in the state of the Maine about the penalty of the death? And what is the position of the federal laws of the USA aboout it?

>>Nous devons nous assurer que nos règles soient conformes à celles de l'Etat et de la justice nationale ou nous cesserons d'exister.

Ok. But our rules are our edicta, our leges and so one voted by our Senate and our Comitia. And they are not in contradiction with the international laws. We have the freedom to speech, the freedom to leave, the freedom to become citizen, the freedom to set our sights on magistracies... none of our laws are against the morale or the international justice.

>> Nova Roma n'est pas une nation mais est également une organisation incorporée et un idéal.

In the "declaration" we say : "We, the Senate and People of New Rome, in order to restore the foundations of Western civilization, declare the founding of Nova Roma as a sovereign nation."

I well know the declaration because I translated it in Latin.

Cura ut valeas.
C. Petronius Dexter

Aurelianus Sulla sal.

Get the paperwork or forms or weblinks.  Email them to her with any suggestions you believe will be beneficial or have someone she will appreciate it coming from other than you.  We have usually asked attorneys who were members for their opinions.  It has not been voted on before because up until recently when Caesar, Cato, and you began to make such an issue (directly or indirectly) out of it, most of us didn't think it was necessary.

However, the three of you have accomplished several positive outcomes for Nova Roma.

You have made the officers and directors more aware of how we have ignored some of our obligations to Nova Roma and its membership by not being fully aware of our responsibilities under Maine and Federal laws.  Laws which need to be obeyed and complied with to insure our continued existance.

You all have made it clear that we will need to close loopholes in our laws that allow individual officers and directors to report to outside authorities without the proper clearances from the BoD.  It will definitely be necessary to insure that the Seal of the Senate/Privacy of the Board of Directors meetings are respected but that the members not only receive the information from the Tribunes but that a official transcript of the BoD is made available in e-form for the members.

You have made it abundantly clear that we need to repeal all the laws that imply a macronational status to Nova Roma and create by-laws that insure we can resolve issues internally without resulting to the farce of a trial.

Thank you for these positive results that came about despite the unpopular and unpleasant manner in which they were presented.

Vale.


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 9:38 am
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine

M. Cur. Complutensis omnes civibus SPD

el plazo para el pago de las cuotas/impuestos de Nova Roma finaliza mañana día 30. Si alguien quiere pagar sus impuestos aún puede hacerlo via paypal o a través del gobernador provincial. A partir del día 1 de Mayo se podrán seguir pagando los impuestos pero con un recargo del 50%.

Ante cualquier duda contactar con vuestro gobernador provincial.

Valete bene

M. Curiatius Complutensis
Consul

Cato Aureliano sal.

Salve.

Just one small note, Aurelianus. You wrote:

"You all have made it clear that we will need to close loopholes in our laws that allow individual officers and directors to report to outside authorities without the proper clearances from the BoD."

That is one thing we cannot do. The right to seek redress or counsel under the law is a Constitutional (the US Constitution) right and one that cannot be overruled by any bylaw or even State law. At least United States citizens are protected in this way.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> Aurelianus Sulla sal.
>
> Get the paperwork or forms or weblinks.? Email them to her with any suggestions you believe will be beneficial or have someone she will appreciate it coming from other than you.? We have usually asked attorneys who were members for their opinions.? It has not been voted on before because up until recently when Caesar, Cato, and you began to make such an issue (directly or indirectly)?out of it, most of us didn't think it was necessary.
>
> However, the three of you have accomplished several positive outcomes for Nova Roma.
>
> You have made the officers and directors more aware of how we have ignored some of?our obligations to Nova Roma and its membership by not being fully aware of our responsibilities under Maine and Federal laws.? Laws which need to be obeyed and complied with to insure our continued existance.
>
> You all have made it clear that we will need to close loopholes in our laws that allow individual officers and directors to report to outside authorities without the proper clearances from the BoD.? It will definitely be necessary to insure that the Seal of the Senate/Privacy of the Board of Directors meetings are respected but that the members not only receive the information from the Tribunes but that a official transcript of the BoD is made available in e-form for the members.
>
> You have made it abundantly clear that we need to repeal all the laws that imply a macronational status to Nova Roma and create by-laws that insure we can resolve issues internally without resulting to the farce of a trial.
>
> Thank you for these positive results that came about despite the unpopular and unpleasant manner in which they were presented.
>
> Vale.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 9:38 am
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine
>
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> Voluntary organization or NOT if one has the responsibility that she does she needs to see it through.
>
> When I called Maine - they have confirmed to me that Nova Roma is not in compliance with the Charitable Solicitations Act. I don't know whose fault it is. I just want it fixed. Maine AG stated they will inform me once we are in compliance.
>
> What makes this all the more interesting now is that according to the Maine AG - it seems Nova Roma has retained an attorney. This is interesting since it has never been discussed or voted on in the senate. So, what's up with that?
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> >
> > Aurelianus Sulla sal.
> >
> > Don't we have copies in the files on the Senate website of the financial reports?? I seem to recall reading those since I was appointed to the Senate.? Perhaps Senator Cato might want to look over the files to see if he can find what he needs there.
> >
> > I am not going to be making excuses for the CFO but am going to commend her for taking a job with a volunteer organization that is going to be more grief and hard work than it will be full of praise and rewards.
> >
> > Remember that this is a volunteer organization and that it is usually far down on the list after real job, real family, etc.
> >
> > I am very happy to hear that you have so much organization in your life that you can do all that you say you are doing and still have the time to criticize our CFO.? Why don't you and Sentor Cato volunteer to help her out with some of the duties of her office to insure that Nova Roma fulfills its obligations under Maine and Federal law?? Since you and he fancy yourself such experts on everything having to do with anything, it would certainly be good if you would do something beneficial to Nova Roma for a change.
> >
> > I cannot recall any instance where either of you were that concerned about NR being in compliance before the last few months.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:27 pm
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If Iunia cannot met the requirements of Maine law in regards to her responsibilities as CFO - then I second this motion to get a licensed CPA to do a full and complete audit of NR's fiances and legal standings - within Maine, all other states, administrative agencies and international status. And to have a relationship established with such a licensed and bonded professional.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If people are going to go running to lawyers when things don't happen within 5 days, then we are just going to have to hire an outside accountant, because nobody is going to volunteer under those terms. That's fine by me and if that is how things are going to be, I'll vote to budget money for an accountant. Other than that, I got no dog in this fight; we just spend the money to hire someone and this problem is solved.
> > >
> > > MLA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "wuffa2001" <magewuffa@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve;
> > > > > why do you want those records?
> > > > > Maior
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Salve
> > > > The law says he has the RIGHT to ask and to see the records within 5 days of when he asked.
> > > > The ( been cited here so i do not need to say it again) does not say he needs to say why.
> > > >
> > > > Vale
> > > > MCF
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cato Agricolae sal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salve.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not asking for treasury reporst. I am asking for records that indicate that all State and Federal filing requirements have been met.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cato
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > question of
> > > > > > > > education or degree-holding or competence in the law. This is not Agricola's
> > > > > > > > rhetoric - perhaps he might want to pay a little more attention now?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, it is you giving your version of events to someone over the phone, and that person said that if you think something illegal happened you should get a lawyer. I would not expect any other answer under the circumstances. There was no discovery here, it is just you making claims over the phone. That still does not make them true.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With the efforts of Laeca, backed by Piscinus, and thanks to a lot of posting work by Paulinus we have the best, clearest and most professional financial accounting ever and the treasury reports are on the web site.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MLA
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

M. Cur. Complutensis omnes civibus SPD

Domani é l'ultimo giorno in cui si possono pagare le tasse di Nova Roma. Se qualcuno desidera farlo puó pagare via Paypal oppure per mezzo del Governatore/Praefectus.

A partire del 1º Maggio le tasse potranno essere ancora pagate ma con un incremento del 50%.

Se avete dubbi parlate con il vostro governatore/Praefectus

Valete bene

M. Cur. Complutensis
Consul

Salve Sulla,

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> First, you spelled my name wrong.
>
> Second, I have not - nor ever insulted Iunia. Check the achieves.

No, you didn't, you have always been respectful and she answers you likewise. Cato, however, has a long history of badgering her, thus her refusal not to deal directly with him (maybe being a New Yawker he does realize he's doing it). Poplicola also insulted her here recently, an action that brought censorial attention on to him.


Her work as CFO has been nothing but exemplary. She is not a political person, as CFO she cannot be but she is being attacked like she is part of TPTB. She is not. She is a studiously neutral professional.

> While we all have been rather emotional in regards to this - I think >you also need to recognize your wife has been just as emotional. How >professional is it for someone in HER position to tell a board member >she will not deal with him? If someone in my employ said that - that >person would be terminated. Professionalism is extremely important >in all situations. Don't you agree?

Indeed, on both sides. However, there are situations in professional life where because of personality conflicts one can direct that communication be made only through certain channels. If Equestria Iunia wishes to only communicate with Cato through "official" channels, such as on the Senate list, that is her right. It ensures witnesses to the communication.

I ask in light of the longstanding amicitia between the gens Iunia and the gens Cornelia (formed under the old system), a formal bond that goes nearly to the founding of Nova Roma, to consider that bond in your dealings with her, someone who was once my "daughter."

Nova Roma's major past time is eating its own entrails. It has to stop, or there will be other casualties to join Laenas.

I am glad to see Octavius and Modianus friends again and Modianus' realization of the harm the Lex Salicia has caused and the need for its repeal. Perhaps it is a positive sign for Nova Roma.

Vale,

Palladius

M. Curiatius Complutensis omnes civibus SPD

tomorrow is the last day to pay the taxes of Nova Roma.

You can pay through Paypal or your provincial governor.

Taxes may be remitted after that date, with a penalty of an extra 50%.

If you have any doubt please contact your provincial governor.

Valete bene

M. Curiatius Complutensis
Consul

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Decio Iunio Palladio salutem dicit

The Lex Salicia very much needs to go.  It has caused division in Nova Roma over the years, and it doesn't work as a means of effective conflict resolution.  What I would like to see is the praetores effectively working as "ombudsmen" by addressing citizen conflicts and disputes.  If something cannot be resolved via negotiation and discussion then let the senate resolve major disputes; otherwise, let people simply disagree.  But the combersome legal system we have for handling conflict is ineffective, cumbersome, and unnecessary.  Time for a change.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:14 PM, deciusiunius <bcatfd@...> wrote:

I am glad to see Octavius and Modianus friends again and Modianus' realization of the harm the Lex Salicia has caused and the need for its repeal. Perhaps it is a positive sign for Nova Roma.

Vale,

Palladius

I agree completely with this.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Decio Iunio Palladio salutem dicit
>
> The Lex Salicia very much needs to go. It has caused division in Nova Roma
> over the years, and it doesn't work as a means of effective conflict
> resolution. What I would like to see is the praetores effectively working
> as "ombudsmen" by addressing citizen conflicts and disputes. If something
> cannot be resolved via negotiation and discussion then let the senate
> resolve major disputes; otherwise, let people simply disagree. But the
> combersome legal system we have for handling conflict is ineffective,
> cumbersome, and unnecessary. Time for a change.
>
> Vale;
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:14 PM, deciusiunius <bcatfd@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > I am glad to see Octavius and Modianus friends again and Modianus'
> > realization of the harm the Lex Salicia has caused and the need for its
> > repeal. Perhaps it is a positive sign for Nova Roma.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Palladius
> >
>

Salvete;
I agree with Aurelianus, magistrates should not be going to outside authorities whenever they see a problem. Everything could have been discussed within a 2 week period.

and the section of the U.S. Constitution Cato quotes, has to do with a citizen's individual rights, not business. Businesses can contract how to operate.
Cato confuses Corporation Law with Constitutional Law. These are two different courses in law school for a good reason: businesses are not accorded Constitutional rights.
Just check with Equestria Laeca on this.
vale
Marca Hortensia Maior


lear that we will need to close loopholes in our laws that allow individual officers and directors to report to outside authorities without the proper clearances from the BoD."

>
> That is one thing we cannot do. The right to seek redress or counsel under the law is a Constitutional (the US Constitution) right and one that cannot be overruled by any bylaw or even State law. At least United States citizens are protected in this way.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> >
> > Aurelianus Sulla sal.
> >
> > Get the paperwork or forms or weblinks.? Email them to her with any suggestions you believe will be beneficial or have someone she will appreciate it coming from other than you.? We have usually asked attorneys who were members for their opinions.? It has not been voted on before because up until recently when Caesar, Cato, and you began to make such an issue (directly or indirectly)?out of it, most of us didn't think it was necessary.
> >
> > However, the three of you have accomplished several positive outcomes for Nova Roma.
> >
> > You have made the officers and directors more aware of how we have ignored some of?our obligations to Nova Roma and its membership by not being fully aware of our responsibilities under Maine and Federal laws.? Laws which need to be obeyed and complied with to insure our continued existance.
> >
> > You all have made it clear that we will need to close loopholes in our laws that allow individual officers and directors to report to outside authorities without the proper clearances from the BoD.? It will definitely be necessary to insure that the Seal of the Senate/Privacy of the Board of Directors meetings are respected but that the members not only receive the information from the Tribunes but that a official transcript of the BoD is made available in e-form for the members.
> >
> > You have made it abundantly clear that we need to repeal all the laws that imply a macronational status to Nova Roma and create by-laws that insure we can resolve issues internally without resulting to the farce of a trial.
> >
> > Thank you for these positive results that came about despite the unpopular and unpleasant manner in which they were presented.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 9:38 am
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Voluntary organization or NOT if one has the responsibility that she does she needs to see it through.
> >
> > When I called Maine - they have confirmed to me that Nova Roma is not in compliance with the Charitable Solicitations Act. I don't know whose fault it is. I just want it fixed. Maine AG stated they will inform me once we are in compliance.
> >
> > What makes this all the more interesting now is that according to the Maine AG - it seems Nova Roma has retained an attorney. This is interesting since it has never been discussed or voted on in the senate. So, what's up with that?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Aurelianus Sulla sal.
> > >
> > > Don't we have copies in the files on the Senate website of the financial reports?? I seem to recall reading those since I was appointed to the Senate.? Perhaps Senator Cato might want to look over the files to see if he can find what he needs there.
> > >
> > > I am not going to be making excuses for the CFO but am going to commend her for taking a job with a volunteer organization that is going to be more grief and hard work than it will be full of praise and rewards.
> > >
> > > Remember that this is a volunteer organization and that it is usually far down on the list after real job, real family, etc.
> > >
> > > I am very happy to hear that you have so much organization in your life that you can do all that you say you are doing and still have the time to criticize our CFO.? Why don't you and Sentor Cato volunteer to help her out with some of the duties of her office to insure that Nova Roma fulfills its obligations under Maine and Federal law?? Since you and he fancy yourself such experts on everything having to do with anything, it would certainly be good if you would do something beneficial to Nova Roma for a change.
> > >
> > > I cannot recall any instance where either of you were that concerned about NR being in compliance before the last few months.
> > >
> > > Vale.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:27 pm
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If Iunia cannot met the requirements of Maine law in regards to her responsibilities as CFO - then I second this motion to get a licensed CPA to do a full and complete audit of NR's fiances and legal standings - within Maine, all other states, administrative agencies and international status. And to have a relationship established with such a licensed and bonded professional.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If people are going to go running to lawyers when things don't happen within 5 days, then we are just going to have to hire an outside accountant, because nobody is going to volunteer under those terms. That's fine by me and if that is how things are going to be, I'll vote to budget money for an accountant. Other than that, I got no dog in this fight; we just spend the money to hire someone and this problem is solved.
> > > >
> > > > MLA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "wuffa2001" <magewuffa@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salve;
> > > > > > why do you want those records?
> > > > > > Maior
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve
> > > > > The law says he has the RIGHT to ask and to see the records within 5 days of when he asked.
> > > > > The ( been cited here so i do not need to say it again) does not say he needs to say why.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale
> > > > > MCF
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cato Agricolae sal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Salve.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am not asking for treasury reporst. I am asking for records that indicate that all State and Federal filing requirements have been met.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cato
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > question of
> > > > > > > > > education or degree-holding or competence in the law. This is not Agricola's
> > > > > > > > > rhetoric - perhaps he might want to pay a little more attention now?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No, it is you giving your version of events to someone over the phone, and that person said that if you think something illegal happened you should get a lawyer. I would not expect any other answer under the circumstances. There was no discovery here, it is just you making claims over the phone. That still does not make them true.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > With the efforts of Laeca, backed by Piscinus, and thanks to a lot of posting work by Paulinus we have the best, clearest and most professional financial accounting ever and the treasury reports are on the web site.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > MLA
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Ave My friend and colleague,

You and for that matter anyone in the Gens Iunia or in Nova Roma need to have any concern that I or anyone in the Gens Cornelia will do anything that would damage the amicitia between the Gens Iunia and the Gens Cornelia.

You and I have always been friends and G-d willing always will be. I have always treated Iunia with respect - our disagreements like many in NR are professional disagreements. In the past, in NR politics used to end at the waters edge. Hopefully, that trend can restart.

If there is anything I can do to assist Iunia to help NR become more compliant. I place myself and my education at her disposal. I'll help in any way I can.

Most Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salve Sulla,
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >
> > First, you spelled my name wrong.
> >
> > Second, I have not - nor ever insulted Iunia. Check the achieves.
>
> No, you didn't, you have always been respectful and she answers you likewise. Cato, however, has a long history of badgering her, thus her refusal not to deal directly with him (maybe being a New Yawker he does realize he's doing it). Poplicola also insulted her here recently, an action that brought censorial attention on to him.
>
>
> Her work as CFO has been nothing but exemplary. She is not a political person, as CFO she cannot be but she is being attacked like she is part of TPTB. She is not. She is a studiously neutral professional.
>
> > While we all have been rather emotional in regards to this - I think >you also need to recognize your wife has been just as emotional. How >professional is it for someone in HER position to tell a board member >she will not deal with him? If someone in my employ said that - that >person would be terminated. Professionalism is extremely important >in all situations. Don't you agree?
>
> Indeed, on both sides. However, there are situations in professional life where because of personality conflicts one can direct that communication be made only through certain channels. If Equestria Iunia wishes to only communicate with Cato through "official" channels, such as on the Senate list, that is her right. It ensures witnesses to the communication.
>
> I ask in light of the longstanding amicitia between the gens Iunia and the gens Cornelia (formed under the old system), a formal bond that goes nearly to the founding of Nova Roma, to consider that bond in your dealings with her, someone who was once my "daughter."
>
> Nova Roma's major past time is eating its own entrails. It has to stop, or there will be other casualties to join Laenas.
>
> I am glad to see Octavius and Modianus friends again and Modianus' realization of the harm the Lex Salicia has caused and the need for its repeal. Perhaps it is a positive sign for Nova Roma.
>
> Vale,
>
> Palladius
>

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Salvete.

I agree with this as well.

Valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> I agree completely with this.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Decio Iunio Palladio salutem dicit
> >
> > The Lex Salicia very much needs to go. It has caused division in Nova Roma
> > over the years, and it doesn't work as a means of effective conflict
> > resolution. What I would like to see is the praetores effectively working
> > as "ombudsmen" by addressing citizen conflicts and disputes. If something
> > cannot be resolved via negotiation and discussion then let the senate
> > resolve major disputes; otherwise, let people simply disagree. But the
> > combersome legal system we have for handling conflict is ineffective,
> > cumbersome, and unnecessary. Time for a change.
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:14 PM, deciusiunius <bcatfd@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I am glad to see Octavius and Modianus friends again and Modianus'
> > > realization of the harm the Lex Salicia has caused and the need for its
> > > repeal. Perhaps it is a positive sign for Nova Roma.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Palladius
> > >
> >
>

Cato Maiori sal.

Salve.

No, unfortunately you are mistaken. It is not a question of whether they "should" or "should not". It is the fact that we *cannot* restrict citizens' access to the law. It has nothing to do with the differences in types of law, Maior.

Valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete;
> I agree with Aurelianus, magistrates should not be going to outside authorities whenever they see a problem. Everything could have been discussed within a 2 week period.
>
> and the section of the U.S. Constitution Cato quotes, has to do with a citizen's individual rights, not business. Businesses can contract how to operate.
> Cato confuses Corporation Law with Constitutional Law. These are two different courses in law school for a good reason: businesses are not accorded Constitutional rights.
> Just check with Equestria Laeca on this.
> vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>
>
> lear that we will need to close loopholes in our laws that allow individual officers and directors to report to outside authorities without the proper clearances from the BoD."
> >
> > That is one thing we cannot do. The right to seek redress or counsel under the law is a Constitutional (the US Constitution) right and one that cannot be overruled by any bylaw or even State law. At least United States citizens are protected in this way.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Aurelianus Sulla sal.
> > >
> > > Get the paperwork or forms or weblinks.? Email them to her with any suggestions you believe will be beneficial or have someone she will appreciate it coming from other than you.? We have usually asked attorneys who were members for their opinions.? It has not been voted on before because up until recently when Caesar, Cato, and you began to make such an issue (directly or indirectly)?out of it, most of us didn't think it was necessary.
> > >
> > > However, the three of you have accomplished several positive outcomes for Nova Roma.
> > >
> > > You have made the officers and directors more aware of how we have ignored some of?our obligations to Nova Roma and its membership by not being fully aware of our responsibilities under Maine and Federal laws.? Laws which need to be obeyed and complied with to insure our continued existance.
> > >
> > > You all have made it clear that we will need to close loopholes in our laws that allow individual officers and directors to report to outside authorities without the proper clearances from the BoD.? It will definitely be necessary to insure that the Seal of the Senate/Privacy of the Board of Directors meetings are respected but that the members not only receive the information from the Tribunes but that a official transcript of the BoD is made available in e-form for the members.
> > >
> > > You have made it abundantly clear that we need to repeal all the laws that imply a macronational status to Nova Roma and create by-laws that insure we can resolve issues internally without resulting to the farce of a trial.
> > >
> > > Thank you for these positive results that came about despite the unpopular and unpleasant manner in which they were presented.
> > >
> > > Vale.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 9:38 am
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Voluntary organization or NOT if one has the responsibility that she does she needs to see it through.
> > >
> > > When I called Maine - they have confirmed to me that Nova Roma is not in compliance with the Charitable Solicitations Act. I don't know whose fault it is. I just want it fixed. Maine AG stated they will inform me once we are in compliance.
> > >
> > > What makes this all the more interesting now is that according to the Maine AG - it seems Nova Roma has retained an attorney. This is interesting since it has never been discussed or voted on in the senate. So, what's up with that?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aurelianus Sulla sal.
> > > >
> > > > Don't we have copies in the files on the Senate website of the financial reports?? I seem to recall reading those since I was appointed to the Senate.? Perhaps Senator Cato might want to look over the files to see if he can find what he needs there.
> > > >
> > > > I am not going to be making excuses for the CFO but am going to commend her for taking a job with a volunteer organization that is going to be more grief and hard work than it will be full of praise and rewards.
> > > >
> > > > Remember that this is a volunteer organization and that it is usually far down on the list after real job, real family, etc.
> > > >
> > > > I am very happy to hear that you have so much organization in your life that you can do all that you say you are doing and still have the time to criticize our CFO.? Why don't you and Sentor Cato volunteer to help her out with some of the duties of her office to insure that Nova Roma fulfills its obligations under Maine and Federal law?? Since you and he fancy yourself such experts on everything having to do with anything, it would certainly be good if you would do something beneficial to Nova Roma for a change.
> > > >
> > > > I cannot recall any instance where either of you were that concerned about NR being in compliance before the last few months.
> > > >
> > > > Vale.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:27 pm
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If Iunia cannot met the requirements of Maine law in regards to her responsibilities as CFO - then I second this motion to get a licensed CPA to do a full and complete audit of NR's fiances and legal standings - within Maine, all other states, administrative agencies and international status. And to have a relationship established with such a licensed and bonded professional.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If people are going to go running to lawyers when things don't happen within 5 days, then we are just going to have to hire an outside accountant, because nobody is going to volunteer under those terms. That's fine by me and if that is how things are going to be, I'll vote to budget money for an accountant. Other than that, I got no dog in this fight; we just spend the money to hire someone and this problem is solved.
> > > > >
> > > > > MLA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "wuffa2001" <magewuffa@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Salve;
> > > > > > > why do you want those records?
> > > > > > > Maior
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salve
> > > > > > The law says he has the RIGHT to ask and to see the records within 5 days of when he asked.
> > > > > > The ( been cited here so i do not need to say it again) does not say he needs to say why.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale
> > > > > > MCF
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cato Agricolae sal.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Salve.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am not asking for treasury reporst. I am asking for records that indicate that all State and Federal filing requirements have been met.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cato
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > question of
> > > > > > > > > > education or degree-holding or competence in the law. This is not Agricola's
> > > > > > > > > > rhetoric - perhaps he might want to pay a little more attention now?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No, it is you giving your version of events to someone over the phone, and that person said that if you think something illegal happened you should get a lawyer. I would not expect any other answer under the circumstances. There was no discovery here, it is just you making claims over the phone. That still does not make them true.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With the efforts of Laeca, backed by Piscinus, and thanks to a lot of posting work by Paulinus we have the best, clearest and most professional financial accounting ever and the treasury reports are on the web site.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > MLA
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Maior Catoni Quiritibusque spd;
you don't understand U.S. law at all I suggest you ask Laeca to explain it to you in a simple and straitforward fashion on the Senate list.
This conversation makes no sense whatsoever.
Maior

> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> Salve.
>
> No, unfortunately you are mistaken. It is not a question of whether they "should" or "should not". It is the fact that we *cannot* restrict citizens' access to the law. It has nothing to do with the differences in types of law, Maior.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete;
> > I agree with Aurelianus, magistrates should not be going to outside authorities whenever they see a problem. Everything could have been discussed within a 2 week period.
> >
> > and the section of the U.S. Constitution Cato quotes, has to do with a citizen's individual rights, not business. Businesses can contract how to operate.
> > Cato confuses Corporation Law with Constitutional Law. These are two different courses in law school for a good reason: businesses are not accorded Constitutional rights.
> > Just check with Equestria Laeca on this.
> > vale
> > Marca Hortensia Maior
> >
> >
> > lear that we will need to close loopholes in our laws that allow individual officers and directors to report to outside authorities without the proper clearances from the BoD."
> > >
> > > That is one thing we cannot do. The right to seek redress or counsel under the law is a Constitutional (the US Constitution) right and one that cannot be overruled by any bylaw or even State law. At least United States citizens are protected in this way.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aurelianus Sulla sal.
> > > >
> > > > Get the paperwork or forms or weblinks.? Email them to her with any suggestions you believe will be beneficial or have someone she will appreciate it coming from other than you.? We have usually asked attorneys who were members for their opinions.? It has not been voted on before because up until recently when Caesar, Cato, and you began to make such an issue (directly or indirectly)?out of it, most of us didn't think it was necessary.
> > > >
> > > > However, the three of you have accomplished several positive outcomes for Nova Roma.
> > > >
> > > > You have made the officers and directors more aware of how we have ignored some of?our obligations to Nova Roma and its membership by not being fully aware of our responsibilities under Maine and Federal laws.? Laws which need to be obeyed and complied with to insure our continued existance.
> > > >
> > > > You all have made it clear that we will need to close loopholes in our laws that allow individual officers and directors to report to outside authorities without the proper clearances from the BoD.? It will definitely be necessary to insure that the Seal of the Senate/Privacy of the Board of Directors meetings are respected but that the members not only receive the information from the Tribunes but that a official transcript of the BoD is made available in e-form for the members.
> > > >
> > > > You have made it abundantly clear that we need to repeal all the laws that imply a macronational status to Nova Roma and create by-laws that insure we can resolve issues internally without resulting to the farce of a trial.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for these positive results that came about despite the unpopular and unpleasant manner in which they were presented.
> > > >
> > > > Vale.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 9:38 am
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Voluntary organization or NOT if one has the responsibility that she does she needs to see it through.
> > > >
> > > > When I called Maine - they have confirmed to me that Nova Roma is not in compliance with the Charitable Solicitations Act. I don't know whose fault it is. I just want it fixed. Maine AG stated they will inform me once we are in compliance.
> > > >
> > > > What makes this all the more interesting now is that according to the Maine AG - it seems Nova Roma has retained an attorney. This is interesting since it has never been discussed or voted on in the senate. So, what's up with that?
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Aurelianus Sulla sal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't we have copies in the files on the Senate website of the financial reports?? I seem to recall reading those since I was appointed to the Senate.? Perhaps Senator Cato might want to look over the files to see if he can find what he needs there.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not going to be making excuses for the CFO but am going to commend her for taking a job with a volunteer organization that is going to be more grief and hard work than it will be full of praise and rewards.
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember that this is a volunteer organization and that it is usually far down on the list after real job, real family, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am very happy to hear that you have so much organization in your life that you can do all that you say you are doing and still have the time to criticize our CFO.? Why don't you and Sentor Cato volunteer to help her out with some of the duties of her office to insure that Nova Roma fulfills its obligations under Maine and Federal law?? Since you and he fancy yourself such experts on everything having to do with anything, it would certainly be good if you would do something beneficial to Nova Roma for a change.
> > > > >
> > > > > I cannot recall any instance where either of you were that concerned about NR being in compliance before the last few months.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:27 pm
> > > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If Iunia cannot met the requirements of Maine law in regards to her responsibilities as CFO - then I second this motion to get a licensed CPA to do a full and complete audit of NR's fiances and legal standings - within Maine, all other states, administrative agencies and international status. And to have a relationship established with such a licensed and bonded professional.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sulla
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If people are going to go running to lawyers when things don't happen within 5 days, then we are just going to have to hire an outside accountant, because nobody is going to volunteer under those terms. That's fine by me and if that is how things are going to be, I'll vote to budget money for an accountant. Other than that, I got no dog in this fight; we just spend the money to hire someone and this problem is solved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MLA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "wuffa2001" <magewuffa@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Salve;
> > > > > > > > why do you want those records?
> > > > > > > > Maior
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Salve
> > > > > > > The law says he has the RIGHT to ask and to see the records within 5 days of when he asked.
> > > > > > > The ( been cited here so i do not need to say it again) does not say he needs to say why.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vale
> > > > > > > MCF
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cato Agricolae sal.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Salve.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am not asking for treasury reporst. I am asking for records that indicate that all State and Federal filing requirements have been met.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cato
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
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Aurelianus Cato sal.

I must disagree with you on this point.  Once NR is in compliance with state and Federal laws, we need to insure that all problems that can be resolved in house will be done so according to the corporate by-laws.  Individuals who do not follow all the required procedures before taking a matter outside of the corporation need to be suspended or expelled for failing to follow those policies.  It is perfectly acceptable practice for corporate officers and directors to lose their positions if they fail to follow such policies as long as they do not place the individual in jeopardy of committing an illegal action.

I am not saying that an individual officer or director cannot go outside of the organization to resolve an issue once all other means are exhausted.  No one can voluntarily give up their Constitutionally granted rights.  However, if one wishes to be an officer or director in Nova Roma, they must agree to follow all required means of redress before taking it outside.  If they are unwilling to do so, it shows that they do not have loyalty or the good of the membership of the organization first.

For example, if the item on the Senate agenda regarding the Seal of the Senate is passed and we find that a Senator, officer, or assistant has posted something on an open forum or even on the BA, then that individual should be censured to the fullest extent of corporate policy.  If that individual then claims that his rights were abrogated by the organization, it would be his right to seek outside redress after he has exhausted his internal appeals but NR would have the necessary evidence to defend themselves.

Nova Roma is a voluntary organization and if a member cannot follow the by-laws as an individual, officer, or director, then that person should not be part of the corporate body.

Vale.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:11
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine

Cato Aureliano sal.

Ah, I think we are actually agreeing. Internal processes first absolutely. But we cannot pretend that a US citizen cannot seek redress under US law, that's all.

In this vein I would like to say that there will be, however, no further action on my part as regards the issue of removal of officers using an external legal entity. I think the respublica has enough on its plate right now that it needs no more distractions.

Has anyone conveyed my offer to Laeca?

Vale,

Cato

Lucius Coruncanius omn. SPD And how sad to see that a Senator, a member of the BoD, who puts the law in his mouth every now and then, is so unaware of the internal procedures of the Incorporation he presumes to be defending. This not to mention that 2 members of the BoD where asking in an extremely rude and disgusting way something that was available for them. Isn't that a "deleriction" of your duties, directors Cato and Sulla? If you are not capable to know even how to ask for internal documents, what are you doing in the BoD? You accused the magistrates/officers of NR of not comply with the law, having the documents available!!! You "say" that the AG "says" they "think" NR spoke with a lawyer? You "assure" that the State of Maine "says" NR is not complying? As you "said", Maine AG will tell you if NR complies or not after getting some paperwork done... that means, checking? I commend (yes, commend) you start speaking sense now, produce any REAL evidence that something is wrong, or to shut up. After all these weeks of senators Cato and Sulla "saying" (and the chorus "singing") with anything more than insults, disgusting posts, lies, alleged accusations, threats and blackmail to the magistrates AND the citizens, not only without evidence but, as we can see, totally unaware of the work done by the magistrates and internal procedures of the Incorporation they want to make us believe are defending, can we believe a single word coming from their mouths? What are doing two Directors completely ignorant of the issues and procedures on the Board? How can be one of them running for Censor!!?!? If you have some dignity left, you ALL would step aside and let able people work. -- Di te incolumem custodiant. L. Coruncanius Cato Candidate to Aedilis Curulis --- El mié, 29/4/09, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> escribió: De: Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Request for Financial Records Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Fecha: miércoles, 29 abril, 2009 6:05 Cato Patrick D. Owen sal. Salve! Good to see that you acknowledge my rights as a member of the corporation under the law. Done. She should be receiving it in the next two days or so. Now mind you, Laeca acknowledged in private email that she knew exactly who I was by using my macronational name, and I did the same in return, so the claim of use of an "alias" is quite irrelevant. She also voted on the Senate List *after* I had posted this request as well, so it is obvious that she has access to that List and was able to see the request there. On that note, are you likewise going to demand that all official business be done under our macronational names? Whenever we vote to add to or repeal from our leges, we are changing our bylaws, which has macronational consequences. The Senate, likewise, when issuing senatus consulta, is making changes that affect us macronationally. Edicta of the magistrates the same. Shall we follow this pattern and only be allowed to conduct business using our macronational names? Shall we then abandon our Roman names altogether as the only action we can take using them is talking here on the Lists? Vale, Cato --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... wrote: > > Dear Director, > > Please make your request to the CFO?in writing and forward?it by registered mail to the Post Office Box in Connecticut. ? A request by email which is not considered a secure medium of communication (i.e., it cannot confirm the point or person of origin nor is it guaranteed to be received). > > Furthermore, you are making this request under an alias that may or may not be registered or recognized by Maine or Federal Law.? In order to avoid the appearance of impropriety, please follow the appropriate business usages and include your legal name, NR name, appropriate address, etc. > > Thank you for your?devotion to following the LAW. > > Sincerely, > > Patrick D. Owen, > Director, Nova Roma, Inc.? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@.. .> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 8:30 am > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Request for Financial Records > > > > > > > > > Cato Equestriae Iuniae Laecae omnibusque in foro SPD > > Salve et salvete. > > Equestria Iunia Laeca, in accordance with the governing act of the State of Maine under which we are incorporated, Title 13-B Section 715.1, I, as a member of the corporation and a member of the Board of Directors of the corporation, once *again* request notarized copies of any and all documentation regarding compliance with Federal and State agencies with regard to solicitation of funs on the behalf of Nova Roma, Inc. specifically, but not limited to, the Magna Mater Project. > > Please send them by registered mail. You should have my address in New York City to which they may be sent, but if you do not, I will supply you with it. Please include a copy of the receipt for any expenses incurred; the original request was made over 5 business days ago, and so legally the costs of these copies are now the responsibility of the corporation, but I am willing to waive the corporation' s financial obligation in the interests of receiving them in a timely manner, that is, within 5 business days of this writing. I will personally reimburse you by whatever means you may find most accommodating. > > Vale et valete, > > G. Equitius Cato > Praetoris > Senator >

Lucius Coruncanius Cato Aureliano SPD Sorry but I can not accept this. I can not accept anyone saying "thank you for helping us obeying a law" when now it comes to light that the law was being obeyed long time before. I can not accept anyone saying "thank you for making us clear we have to close loopholes" when we could see that the loopholes were only in the person being given thanks. There is no positive result. This went, and keeps going, just for free, just for a cheap laugh. This is unacceptable. -- Di te incolumem custodiant. L. Coruncanius Cato Candidate to Aedilis Curulis --- El mié, 29/4/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...> escribió: De: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...> Asunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Fecha: miércoles, 29 abril, 2009 7:25 Aurelianus Sulla sal. Get the paperwork or forms or weblinks.  Email them to her with any suggestions you believe will be beneficial or have someone she will appreciate it coming from other than you.  We have usually asked attorneys who were members for their opinions.  It has not been voted on before because up until recently when Caesar, Cato, and you began to make such an issue (directly or indirectly) out of it, most of us didn't think it was necessary. However, the three of you have accomplished several positive outcomes for Nova Roma. You have made the officers and directors more aware of how we have ignored some of our obligations to Nova Roma and its membership by not being fully aware of our responsibilities under Maine and Federal laws.  Laws which need to be obeyed and complied with to insure our continued existance. You all have made it clear that we will need to close loopholes in our laws that allow individual officers and directors to report to outside authorities without the proper clearances from the BoD.  It will definitely be necessary to insure that the Seal of the Senate/Privacy of the Board of Directors meetings are respected but that the members not only receive the information from the Tribunes but that a official transcript of the BoD is made available in e-form for the members. You have made it abundantly clear that we need to repeal all the laws that imply a macronational status to Nova Roma and create by-laws that insure we can resolve issues internally without resulting to the farce of a trial. Thank you for these positive results that came about despite the unpopular and unpleasant manner in which they were presented. Vale. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@yahoo. com> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 9:38 am Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine Voluntary organization or NOT if one has the responsibility that she does she needs to see it through. When I called Maine - they have confirmed to me that Nova Roma is not in compliance with the Charitable Solicitations Act. I don't know whose fault it is. I just want it fixed. Maine AG stated they will inform me once we are in compliance. What makes this all the more interesting now is that according to the Maine AG - it seems Nova Roma has retained an attorney. This is interesting since it has never been discussed or voted on in the senate. So, what's up with that? Vale, Sulla --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... wrote: > > Aurelianus Sulla sal. > > Don't we have copies in the files on the Senate website of the financial reports?? I seem to recall reading those since I was appointed to the Senate.? Perhaps Senator Cato might want to look over the files to see if he can find what he needs there. > > I am not going to be making excuses for the CFO but am going to commend her for taking a job with a volunteer organization that is going to be more grief and hard work than it will be full of praise and rewards. > > Remember that this is a volunteer organization and that it is usually far down on the list after real job, real family, etc. > > I am very happy to hear that you have so much organization in your life that you can do all that you say you are doing and still have the time to criticize our CFO.? Why don't you and Sentor Cato volunteer to help her out with some of the duties of her office to insure that Nova Roma fulfills its obligations under Maine and Federal law?? Since you and he fancy yourself such experts on everything having to do with anything, it would certainly be good if you would do something beneficial to Nova Roma for a change. > > I cannot recall any instance where either of you were that concerned about NR being in compliance before the last few months. > > Vale. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@... > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:27 pm > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine > > > > > > > > > If Iunia cannot met the requirements of Maine law in regards to her responsibilities as CFO - then I second this motion to get a licensed CPA to do a full and complete audit of NR's fiances and legal standings - within Maine, all other states, administrative agencies and international status. And to have a relationship established with such a licensed and bonded professional. > > Vale, > > Sulla > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@ > wrote: > > > > If people are going to go running to lawyers when things don't happen within 5 days, then we are just going to have to hire an outside accountant, because nobody is going to volunteer under those terms. That's fine by me and if that is how things are going to be, I'll vote to budget money for an accountant. Other than that, I got no dog in this fight; we just spend the money to hire someone and this problem is solved. > > > > MLA > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "wuffa2001" <magewuffa@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Salve; > > > > why do you want those records? > > > > Maior > > > > > > > > > > Salve > > > The law says he has the RIGHT to ask and to see the records within 5 days of when he asked. > > > The ( been cited here so i do not need to say it again) does not say he needs to say why. > > > > > > Vale > > > MCF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cato Agricolae sal. > > > > > > > > > > Salve. > > > > > > > > > > I am not asking for treasury reporst. I am asking for records that indicate that all State and Federal filing requirements have been met. > > > > > > > > > > Vale, > > > > > > > > > > Cato > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cato omnibus in foro SPD > > > > > > > > > > > > > question of > > > > > > > education or degree-holding or competence in the law. This is not Agricola's > > > > > > > rhetoric - perhaps he might want to pay a little more attention now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is you giving your version of events to someone over the phone, and that person said that if you think something illegal happened you should get a lawyer. I would not expect any other answer under the circumstances. There was no discovery here, it is just you making claims over the phone. That still does not make them true. > > > > > > > > > > > > With the efforts of Laeca, backed by Piscinus, and thanks to a lot of posting work by Paulinus we have the best, clearest and most professional financial accounting ever and the treasury reports are on the web site. > > > > > > > > > > > > MLA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!

Cato Minimus (Equitius Cato is Cato Maior)

Shhhh - let the adults talk please.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...> wrote:
>
> Lucius Coruncanius omn. SPD
>
> And how sad to see that a Senator, a member of the BoD, who puts the law in his mouth every now and then, is so unaware of the internal procedures of the Incorporation he presumes to be defending.
>
> This not to mention that 2 members of the BoD where asking in an extremely rude and disgusting way something that was available for them.
>
> Isn't that a "deleriction" of your duties, directors Cato and Sulla? If you are not capable to know even how to ask for internal documents, what are you doing in the BoD? You accused the magistrates/officers of NR of not comply with the law, having the documents available!!!
>
> You "say" that the AG "says" they "think" NR spoke with a lawyer? You "assure" that the State of Maine "says" NR is not complying? As you "said", Maine AG will tell you if NR complies or not after getting some paperwork done... that means, checking? I commend (yes, commend) you start speaking sense now, produce any REAL evidence that something is wrong, or to shut up.
>
> After all these weeks of senators Cato and Sulla "saying" (and the chorus "singing") with anything more than insults, disgusting posts, lies, alleged accusations, threats and blackmail to the magistrates AND the citizens, not only without evidence but, as we can see, totally unaware of the work done by the magistrates and internal procedures of the Incorporation they want to make us believe are defending, can we believe a single word coming from their mouths? What are doing two Directors completely ignorant of the issues and procedures on the Board? How can be one of them running for Censor!!?!?
>
> If you have some dignity left, you ALL would step aside and let able people work.
>
> --
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant.
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> Candidate to Aedilis Curulis
>
> --- El mié, 29/4/09, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> escribió:
> De: Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>
> Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Request for Financial Records
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Fecha: miércoles, 29 abril, 2009 6:05
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> Good to see that you acknowledge my rights as a member of the corporation under the law.
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> Done. She should be receiving it in the next two days or so. Now mind you, Laeca acknowledged in private email that she knew exactly who I was by using my macronational name, and I did the same in return, so the claim of use of an "alias" is quite irrelevant. She also voted on the Senate List *after* I had posted this request as well, so it is obvious that she has access to that List and was able to see the request there.
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> On that note, are you likewise going to demand that all official business be done under our macronational names? Whenever we vote to add to or repeal from our leges, we are changing our bylaws, which has macronational consequences. The Senate, likewise, when issuing senatus consulta, is making changes that affect us macronationally. Edicta of the magistrates the same. Shall we follow this pattern and only be allowed to conduct business using our macronational names?
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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... wrote:
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> > Please make your request to the CFO?in writing and forward?it by registered mail to the Post Office Box in Connecticut. ? A request by email which is not considered a secure medium of communication (i.e., it cannot confirm the point or person of origin nor is it guaranteed to be received).
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> > Furthermore, you are making this request under an alias that may or may not be registered or recognized by Maine or Federal Law.? In order to avoid the appearance of impropriety, please follow the appropriate business usages and include your legal name, NR name, appropriate address, etc.
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> > Thank you for your?devotion to following the LAW.
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > From: Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@ .>
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> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
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> > Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 8:30 am
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> > Vale et valete,
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> > G. Equitius Cato
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In a message dated 4/29/2009 3:16:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, asempronius.regulus@... writes:

find it very interesting. Out of 253 emails about CFO and Attorney General and what not,

I also received onlist and offlist 200 emails just about Roman altars. Is there a lesson there?

 

Yes there is.  While NR engages in setting its corporate house in order to obey laws, it also continues its sacred mission to educate the People about the Religio. 

 

Q. Fabius Maximus

What happened to being a concerned "director" thinking about the needs of our citizens? 

When it suits you.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

Cato Minimus (Equitius Cato is Cato Maior)

Shhhh - let the adults talk please.

Vale,

Sulla

If he knew what he was talking about - sure. The problem is he has no idea what he is talking about. Therefor he should listen and learn from those of us who are in the know.

When people speak and they do not know what is going on - they end up making mistakes and it clouds the issues and the truth. Do you not agree?

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
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> What happened to being a concerned "director" thinking about the needs of
> our citizens?
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> When it suits you.
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> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Robert Woolwine <
> l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
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> > Cato Minimus (Equitius Cato is Cato Maior)
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Cato Iuniae Laecae sal.

Salve!

Prompted by such strong voices, and in the interests of the respublica, I here and now offer you my services in whatever capacity in which they may be most useful to aid you in your duties as CFO. I do *not* have a degree in finance, nor am I an accountant, but I can work a mean Excel spreadsheet.

I realize that right now you may not be speaking to me or reading what I write, but I trust that one of the voices here that has been so strident will ensure that you receive my offer.

Vale,

Cato

Give it a rest Cato.  You have pissed all over your dignitas when it comes to her, don't lower yourself further by these pathetic attempts at reconciliation.  Just apologize for your actions, take responsibility, and hope time heals the wounds you caused.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato Iuniae Laecae sal.

Salve!

Prompted by such strong voices, and in the interests of the respublica, I here and now offer you my services in whatever capacity in which they may be most useful to aid you in your duties as CFO. I do *not* have a degree in finance, nor am I an accountant, but I can work a mean Excel spreadsheet.

I realize that right now you may not be speaking to me or reading what I write, but I trust that one of the voices here that has been so strident will ensure that you receive my offer.

Vale,

Cato

Cato Modiano sal.

I see. So you scream at me, demanding that I offer to help and then when I do, you attack me for it.

What a nasty little piece of work you are.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Give it a rest Cato. You have pissed all over your dignitas when it comes
> to her, don't lower yourself further by these pathetic attempts at
> reconciliation. Just apologize for your actions, take responsibility, and
> hope time heals the wounds you caused.
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato Iuniae Laecae sal.
> >
> > Salve!
> >
> > Prompted by such strong voices, and in the interests of the respublica, I
> > here and now offer you my services in whatever capacity in which they may be
> > most useful to aid you in your duties as CFO. I do *not* have a degree in
> > finance, nor am I an accountant, but I can work a mean Excel spreadsheet.
> >
> > I realize that right now you may not be speaking to me or reading what I
> > write, but I trust that one of the voices here that has been so strident
> > will ensure that you receive my offer.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
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>

Let me give you a piece of advice. 

Sending your cute little messages on the main list might make you appear like a team player, but it is just words. 

You have claimed to have contacted the Maine AG and found out that Nova Roma is not in corporate compliance.  What hasn't been done?  What needs done?  You STILL have not answered that question.  IF there is something you can do to make us in compliance then take the initiative -- you took it upon yourself to contact the Maine AG.  What you have done is akin to throwing a grenade into a crowd, and when you are called on it saying "I know CPR... I can do CPR if anyone needs it."  What I'm saying is just do it.  Whatever paperwork needs done, obtain the necessary forms.  Be pro-active.

Instead you grandstand.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato Modiano sal.

I see. So you scream at me, demanding that I offer to help and then when I do, you attack me for it.

What a nasty little piece of work you are.

Vale,

Cato 

According to my email from Linda Conti Assistant Attorney General of Maine - she states:

I believe that the organization has hired a lawyer and is coming into compliance with the charitable solicitations act.

_____

So, if we have an attorney - the ATTORNEY will be fixing it.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
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> Let me give you a piece of advice.
>
> Sending your cute little messages on the main list might make you appear
> like a team player, but it is just words.
>
> You have claimed to have contacted the Maine AG and found out that Nova Roma
> is not in corporate compliance. What hasn't been done? What needs done?
> You STILL have not answered that question. IF there is something you can do
> to make us in compliance then take the initiative -- you took it upon
> yourself to contact the Maine AG. What you have done is akin to throwing a
> grenade into a crowd, and when you are called on it saying "I know CPR... I
> can do CPR if anyone needs it." What I'm saying is just do it. Whatever
> paperwork needs done, obtain the necessary forms. Be pro-active.
>
> Instead you grandstand.
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato Modiano sal.
> >
> > I see. So you scream at me, demanding that I offer to help and then when I
> > do, you attack me for it.
> >
> > What a nasty little piece of work you are.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Right... and isn't Cato in the senate?  Maybe you should be telling him this too.  Or was this public message of his only for mass consumption, and not really an offer of assistance.

However... I am still curious how we are out of compliance.  I assume Cato was advised as to what is not in compliance?

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

According to my email from Linda Conti Assistant Attorney General of Maine - she states:

I believe that the organization has hired a lawyer and is coming into compliance with the charitable solicitations act.

_____

So, if we have an attorney - the ATTORNEY will be fixing it.

Vale,

Sulla

Cato Modianus sal.

Salve.

So you demand that I help, I offer to help, you screech.

You demand I help, I don't help, you screech.

Screech screech screech.

I have nothing more to say to you.


Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Let me give you a piece of advice.
>
> Sending your cute little messages on the main list might make you appear
> like a team player, but it is just words.
>
> You have claimed to have contacted the Maine AG and found out that Nova Roma
> is not in corporate compliance. What hasn't been done? What needs done?
> You STILL have not answered that question. IF there is something you can do
> to make us in compliance then take the initiative -- you took it upon
> yourself to contact the Maine AG. What you have done is akin to throwing a
> grenade into a crowd, and when you are called on it saying "I know CPR... I
> can do CPR if anyone needs it." What I'm saying is just do it. Whatever
> paperwork needs done, obtain the necessary forms. Be pro-active.
>
> Instead you grandstand.
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato Modiano sal.
> >
> > I see. So you scream at me, demanding that I offer to help and then when I
> > do, you attack me for it.
> >
> > What a nasty little piece of work you are.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Why don't you pick up the phone and call Linda Conti yourself? Why do you want everything spoon fed? You don't believe me? Cool. You dont believe Cato - fine. You (and everyone else in NR) has her name. Call her - and ask. I did. I voiced my concerns they took a report - as a member of the board of directors they took my concerns seriously - regarding the Maine Not Profit Act.

I will even do you a favor - here is the phone number to the AG in Maine.

Phone: 207-626-8800

Where did I get that number from? From here: http://www.state.me.us/ag/contact.html

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Right... and isn't Cato in the senate? Maybe you should be telling him this
> too. Or was this public message of his only for mass consumption, and not
> really an offer of assistance.
>
> However... I am still curious how we are out of compliance. I assume Cato
> was advised as to what is not in compliance?
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Robert Woolwine <
> l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > According to my email from Linda Conti Assistant Attorney General of Maine
> > - she states:
> >
> > I believe that the organization has hired a lawyer and is coming into
> > compliance with the charitable solicitations act.
> >
> > _____
> >
> > So, if we have an attorney - the ATTORNEY will be fixing it.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
>

Maybe you should READ what I write in these e-mails of mine. 

You having nothing more to say to me is music indeed!  Thank you!

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato Modianus sal.

Salve.

So you demand that I help, I offer to help, you screech.

You demand I help, I don't help, you screech.

Screech screech screech.

I have nothing more to say to you.

Vale,

Cato

Why is it so difficult for you and Cato to tell your fellow senatores how we are out of compliance?  Why is it so difficult to share this information?  Or is it that you are wanting to "hold this information" in reserve to use against your "enemies?" 

Nova Roma might be a game for you.  But for those of us who never left, who stuck around, it is something very important to us.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

Why don't you pick up the phone and call Linda Conti yourself? Why do you want everything spoon fed? You don't believe me? Cool. You dont believe Cato - fine. You (and everyone else in NR) has her name. Call her - and ask. I did. I voiced my concerns they took a report - as a member of the board of directors they took my concerns seriously - regarding the Maine Not Profit Act.

I will even do you a favor - here is the phone number to the AG in Maine.

Phone: 207-626-8800

Where did I get that number from? From here: http://www.state.me.us/ag/contact.html

Caesar made this response to Maior - and I simply cannot improve upon it - so let me reproduce it in full for you:

Caesar Maori SPD

You can keep asking and I will keep telling you to read the Senate list, follow
the debate, the motions under discussion and read this list. The answers are
there. If you cannot follow a thread I can't help you more than that.

Find your firelighter else where :)

Optime vale.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Why is it so difficult for you and Cato to tell your fellow senatores how we
> are out of compliance? Why is it so difficult to share this information?
> Or is it that you are wanting to "hold this information" in reserve to use
> against your "enemies?"
>
> Nova Roma might be a game for you. But for those of us who never left, who
> stuck around, it is something very important to us.
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Robert Woolwine <
> l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Why don't you pick up the phone and call Linda Conti yourself? Why do you
> > want everything spoon fed? You don't believe me? Cool. You dont believe Cato
> > - fine. You (and everyone else in NR) has her name. Call her - and ask. I
> > did. I voiced my concerns they took a report - as a member of the board of
> > directors they took my concerns seriously - regarding the Maine Not Profit
> > Act.
> >
> > I will even do you a favor - here is the phone number to the AG in Maine.
> >
> > Phone: 207-626-8800
> >
> > Where did I get that number from? From here:
> > http://www.state.me.us/ag/contact.html
> >
>

M. Hortensia A. Sempronio quiritibus spd;
maximas gratias, now that is really heartening. I'm absolutely thrilled to hear how interested people are in altars. And I'd love to start a discussion on the ML about altars, philosophy anything Roman that right now doesn't involve arguing;-) It was my pleasure to help.
optime valete
Marca Hortensia Maior

>
> Salvete omnes,
>  
> I find it very interesting. Out of 253 emails about CFO and Attorney General and what not,
> I also received onlist and offlist 200 emails just about Roman altars. Is there a lesson there? I think so. Perhaps, Nova Roma would do better if it sought means to help sustain, encourage, and support the wide-base of why people are drawn to the idea of reviving both
> the Republic as micronation and religio of ancient Rome. That means a sustained wider base of interest.
>  
> Again, 253 emails (Sulla, CFO, Attorney General, Services offered, yakayakayaka) vs 200 emails (just on Roman altars). Consider.
>  
> BTW, thank you Maior, for one of those contacts and for the quick Wiki lesson.
> And thank you Agricola for same. I'll be at work in philosophy at NR.
>  
> Valete,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>

Dexter Catoni sal.

> What a nasty little piece of work you are.

No, I absolutly agree with the excellent Modianus, you, you are a pest of Nova Roma. And to debate with you is casting pearls before swine.

Oh, yes! I understand all! You are the "swine pest" of Nova Roma.

Vale.
C. Petronius Dexter

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

I have announced my candidacy to the consules and was accepted as a candidate.  I hereby make my candidacy public.

Certainly there will be those who will attempt to discredit me as a candidate; however, my senate appointments stand as a testament to my willingness to seek compromise.  Likewise, I have experience running a census (both as a scribe and as a censor), and effectively managing a cohores.  Nova Roma needs stability and effectiveness right now, I bring that to the censores office.

Valete:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

Ex Officio
 
Censor Tiberius Galerius Paulinus quiritibus salutem plurimam dicunt. 
 
EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE SENATORIBVS ADLEGENDI pr. Kal. Mai. MMDCCLXII a.u.c. 

I. According to Paragraph IV. A. 1. d. of the Constitution of Nova Roma, the censors have the powers of maintaining the Album Senatorium. 
 
II. Edictum censoris de censu anni MMDCCLX established the maximum size of the Senate as 38 senators until after the census of MMDCCLXII. The Lex Popillia Senatoria directs the censors to maintain the size of the Senate at this level, replacing senators who resign or are otherwise lost. 

III. So in accordance with the law the following citizens are added to the Album Senatorium:
 
Pater Patriae Marcus Cassius Julianus as senator censorius
Virgo Vestalis Maxima Maxima Valeria Messallina as senatrix
Diana Octavia Aventina as senatrix tribunicia
Quintus Servilius Priscus as senator tribunicius 
Pontifex Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus as senator quaestorius
Flamen  Falacer Quintius Valerius Poplicola as senator quaestorius
 
These Senators and Senatrix shall assume their seats in the Curia after the end of the current Senate session.
 
Datum sub manibus nostris pr. Kal. Mai. MMDCCLXII a.u.c. 

Given by my hand  this 30th day of April 2762 A.U.C.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus 
Censor, Novae Romae

M. Moravius Horatianus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum, et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Deis immortlibus nobis laetitiam det

Hodie est die pristini Kalendas Maias; haec dies comitialis est: Ludi Florialis; Canis se vespere celat; tempestatem significat.

313 CE: Battle of the Campus Ergenus

With the death of Galerius, his nephew, Maximinus Daia, and his personal friend, Licinius, divided the Eastern provinces. Constantinus and Maxentius were still struggling for control of the West. When Constantinus finally won at the Battle of the Milvia Bridge and allied with Licinus, Maximinus Daia had no choice but to cross the Bosperus and attempt to defeat Licinius before his alliance with Constantinus could be felt. Their armies met on the plain of the River Ergenus near Hadrianopolis.

On the night before the battle Licinius received a vision just as had Constantinus. The Christian Lactanius made this a vision of an angel who taught Licinius a way to pray to the Christian's god. Licinus' prayer is to Sol Invictus:

"Supreme God, we beseech You; Holy God, we beseech You; unto You we commend all right; unto You we commend our safety; unto You we commend our empire. By You we live, by You we are victorious and happy. Supreme Holy God, hear our prayers; to You we stretch forth our arms. Hear, Holy Supreme God."

Just as Constantinus had the simulacrum of Sol Invictus painted on the shields of his army, Licinius, prior to this battle and still later, ordered his soldiers to sacrifice to Deus Sanctus Sol [ILS 8940 at Salsovia (Mahmudia), Dacia]. The prayer to Sol Invictus was distributed among the army, and later posted in cities as Licinius advanced further east. And just as Constantinus was saluted by the legiones in 320 as "Constantine Auguste, dii te nobis servant!" (Codex Theodosianus 7.20.2), Licinius, too, remained devoted to the Di immortales and took Sol Invictus as the patron of his reign. Lactantius, who provides a description of the battle, held that Licinius was a Christian emperor. The Ecclesiastical History of Eusebius changed its view of Licinius with the political winds, in the last version, in 324, declaring him a persecutor of Christians where earlier Eusebius of Caesarea had hailed Licinius as a Christian Emperor defeating the "oppressor" Maximinus Daia.

"Licinius resolved to give battle on the kalends of May; for precisely eight years before Daia had received the dignity of Cæsar, and Licinius chose that day in hopes that Daia might be vanquished on the anniversary of his reign, as Maxentius had been on his . Daia, however, purposed to give battle earlier, to fight on the day before those kalends, and to triumph on the anniversary of his reign. Accounts came that Daia was in motion; the soldiers of Licinius armed themselves; and advanced. A barren and open plain, called Campus Serenus, lay between the two armies. They were now in sight of one another. The soldiers of Licinius placed their shields on the ground, took off their helmets, and, following the example of their leaders, stretched forth their hands towards heaven. Then the emperor uttered the prayer, and they all repeated it after him. The host, doomed to speedy destruction, heard the murmur of the prayers of their adversaries. And now, the ceremony having been thrice performed, the soldiers of Licinius became full of courage, buckled on their helmets again, and resumed their shields. The two emperors advanced to a conference: but Daia could not be brought to peace; for he held Licinius in contempt, and imagined that the soldiers would presently abandon an emperor parsimonious in his donatives, and enter into the service of one liberal even to profusion. And indeed it was on this notion that he began the war. He looked for the voluntary surrender of the armies of Licinius; and, thus reinforced, he meant forthwith to have attacked Constantine.

"So the two armies drew nigh; the trumpets gave the signal; the military ensigns advanced; the troops of Licinius charged. But the enemies, panic-struck, could neither draw their swords nor yet throw their javelins. Daia went about, and, alternately by entreaties and promises, attempted to seduce the soldiers of Licinius. But he was not hearkened to in any quarter, and they drove him back. Then were the troops of Daia slaughtered, none making resistance; and such numerous legions, and forces so mighty, were mowed down by an inferior enemy. No one called to mind his reputation, or former valour, or the honourable rewards which had been conferred on him. The Supreme God did so place their necks under the sword of their foes, that they seemed to have entered the field, not as combatants, but as men devoted to death. After great numbers had fallen, Daia perceived that everything went contrary to his hopes; and therefore he threw aside the purple, and having put on the habit of a slave, hasted across the Thracian Bosphorus. One half of his army perished in battle, and the rest either surrendered to the victor or fled; for now that the emperor himself had deserted, there seemed to be no shame in desertion. Before the expiration of the kalends of May, Daia arrived at Nicomedia, although distant one hundred and sixty miles from the field of battle. So in the space of one day and two nights he performed that journey. Having hurried away with his children and wife, and a few officers of his court, he went towards Syria; but having been joined by some troops from those quarters, and having collected together a part of his fugitive forces, he halted in Cappadocia, and then he resumed the imperial garb." ~ Lactantius, De Mortibus Persecutorurn46-47

Maximinus Daia made a stand at the Cilician Gates in south-western Anatolia where he was defeated for a final time by Licinius.


65 CE: Nero has M. Annaeus Lucanus executed


The Oracle of Valerius Conatus

"When the Romans were fighting against Pyrrhus of Epeirus, Aemilius Paulus received an oracle that he should be victorious if he would erect an altar where he should see a man of the nobles with his chariot swallowed up in an abyss. Three days later Valerius Conatus in a dream saw a vision which commanded him to don his priestly rainment, for he was, in fact, an expert augur. When he had led forth his men and slain many enemy, he was swallowed up by the earth. Aemilius built an altar, gained a victory, and sent back one hundred and sixty turreted elephants to Rome. The altar delivers oracles at that time of year when Pyrrhus was vanquished. This Critolaus relates in the third book of his Eperiote History." ~ Pseudo-Plutarch, Parallela Minor 307 B


Today's thought is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 9.27:

"When another blames thee or hates thee, or when people voice similar criticisms about thee saying anything injurious, approach their poor souls, penetrate within, and see what kind of people they are. Thou wilt discover that there is no reason to be racked withanxiety that they should hold any particular opinion about thee."

M. Moravius Piscinus Ti. Galerio Paulino Censori s. p. d:

How can this be done prior to conducting the Census and currently without a colleauge?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ex Officio
>
> Censor Tiberius Galerius Paulinus quiritibus salutem plurimam dicunt.
>
> EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE SENATORIBVS ADLEGENDI pr. Kal. Mai. MMDCCLXII a.u.c.
>
> I. According to Paragraph IV. A. 1. d. of the Constitution of Nova Roma, the censors have the powers of maintaining the Album Senatorium.
>
> II. Edictum censoris de censu anni MMDCCLX established the maximum size of the Senate as 38 senators until after the census of MMDCCLXII. The Lex Popillia Senatoria directs the censors to maintain the size of the Senate at this level, replacing senators who resign or are otherwise lost.
>
> III. So in accordance with the law the following citizens are added to the Album Senatorium:
>
> Pater Patriae Marcus Cassius Julianus as senator censorius
> Virgo Vestalis Maxima Maxima Valeria Messallina as senatrix
> Diana Octavia Aventina as senatrix tribunicia
> Quintus Servilius Priscus as senator tribunicius
> Pontifex Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus as senator quaestorius
> Flamen Falacer Quintius Valerius Poplicola as senator quaestorius
>
> These Senators and Senatrix shall assume their seats in the Curia after the end of the current Senate session.
>
> Datum sub manibus nostris pr. Kal. Mai. MMDCCLXII a.u.c.
>
> Given by my hand this 30th day of April 2762 A.U.C.
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Censor, Novae Romae
>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

This is a violation of the spirit of our constitution for a censor to appoint senatores without a colleague.  This is akin to a lone censor issuing a nota, and I urge the tribunes to investigate these appointments.  Why appoint these people now?  Why the rush?

Valete:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:26 AM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...> wrote:

M. Moravius Piscinus Ti. Galerio Paulino Censori s. p. d:

How can this be done prior to conducting the Census and currently without a colleauge?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ex Officio
>
> Censor Tiberius Galerius Paulinus quiritibus salutem plurimam dicunt.
>
> EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE SENATORIBVS ADLEGENDI pr. Kal. Mai. MMDCCLXII a.u.c.
>
> I. According to Paragraph IV. A. 1. d. of the Constitution of Nova Roma, the censors have the powers of maintaining the Album Senatorium.
>
> II. Edictum censoris de censu anni MMDCCLX established the maximum size of the Senate as 38 senators until after the census of MMDCCLXII. The Lex Popillia Senatoria directs the censors to maintain the size of the Senate at this level, replacing senators who resign or are otherwise lost.
>
> III. So in accordance with the law the following citizens are added to the Album Senatorium:
>
> Pater Patriae Marcus Cassius Julianus as senator censorius
> Virgo Vestalis Maxima Maxima Valeria Messallina as senatrix
> Diana Octavia Aventina as senatrix tribunicia
> Quintus Servilius Priscus as senator tribunicius
> Pontifex Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus as senator quaestorius
> Flamen Falacer Quintius Valerius Poplicola as senator quaestorius
>
> These Senators and Senatrix shall assume their seats in the Curia after the end of the current Senate session.
>
> Datum sub manibus nostris pr. Kal. Mai. MMDCCLXII a.u.c.
>
> Given by my hand this 30th day of April 2762 A.U.C.
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Censor, Novae Romae

Salvete Nova Romans
 
Unlike Ancient Rome a single Censor is not required to resign if his colleague leaves office.
In fact Nova Roma has staggered term so their is always one Censor in office.
 
Nova Roma has had single Consuls and their work continued, We have had other single
magistrates and their work has continued. As a single Censor I have been asked to issue a Nota just this past week by a Consul of Nova Roma. Appointing scriba, granting citizenships, agreeing to name changes, creating list of taxpayers for use in treason trials, and every other aspect of the Censors office has been fulfilled since my colleague resigned.
 
A magistrate can not be held responsible for the resignation or the disappearance of his or her colleague. Nor can they be held responsible for the scheduling of by-elections.
 
They can only do their duty and I am.
 
The Censor's office is open for business.
 
Valete
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Censor
 

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

How often do the censores make senate appointments? 

Senate appointments are not routine censorial work.  Trying to portray senate appointments as being routine censorial work is disingenuous. 

What makes it a priority to make these appointments now?

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:

Salvete Nova Romans
 
Unlike Ancient Rome a single Censor is not required to resign if his colleague leaves office.
In fact Nova Roma has staggered term so their is always one Censor in office.
 
Nova Roma has had single Consuls and their work continued, We have had other single
magistrates and their work has continued. As a single Censor I have been asked to issue a Nota just this past week by a Consul of Nova Roma. Appointing scriba, granting citizenships, agreeing to name changes, creating list of taxpayers for use in treason trials, and every other aspect of the Censors office has been fulfilled since my colleague resigned.
 
A magistrate can not be held responsible for the resignation or the disappearance of his or her colleague. Nor can they be held responsible for the scheduling of by-elections.
 
They can only do their duty and I am.
 
The Censor's office is open for business.
 
Valete
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Censor

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus L. Coruncanius Cato sal.

It is a very Roman thing to learn from your foe, pup.  I also keep forgetting that most of you younglings cannot read between the lines and understand sarcasm when you read it.  Communicate with me off line and I will explain it to you.

Vale.


-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:02
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Attorney General's Office in the State of Maine

Funny for you to complain the person that brought NR within a hear's breath of a lawsuit! How Ironic!

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> This is a violation of the spirit of our constitution for a censor to
> appoint senatores without a colleague. This is akin to a lone censor
> issuing a nota, and I urge the tribunes to investigate these appointments.
> Why appoint these people now? Why the rush?
>
> Valete:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:26 AM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > M. Moravius Piscinus Ti. Galerio Paulino Censori s. p. d:
> >
> > How can this be done prior to conducting the Census and currently without a
> > colleauge?
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Timothy or
> > Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Ex Officio
> > >
> > > Censor Tiberius Galerius Paulinus quiritibus salutem plurimam dicunt.
> > >
> > > EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE SENATORIBVS ADLEGENDI pr. Kal. Mai. MMDCCLXII a.u.c.
> >
> > >
> > > I. According to Paragraph IV. A. 1. d. of the Constitution of Nova Roma,
> > the censors have the powers of maintaining the Album Senatorium.
> > >
> > > II. Edictum censoris de censu anni MMDCCLX established the maximum size
> > of the Senate as 38 senators until after the census of MMDCCLXII. The Lex
> > Popillia Senatoria directs the censors to maintain the size of the Senate at
> > this level, replacing senators who resign or are otherwise lost.
> > >
> > > III. So in accordance with the law the following citizens are added to
> > the Album Senatorium:
> > >
> > > Pater Patriae Marcus Cassius Julianus as senator censorius
> > > Virgo Vestalis Maxima Maxima Valeria Messallina as senatrix
> > > Diana Octavia Aventina as senatrix tribunicia
> > > Quintus Servilius Priscus as senator tribunicius
> > > Pontifex Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus as senator
> > quaestorius
> > > Flamen Falacer Quintius Valerius Poplicola as senator quaestorius
> > >
> > > These Senators and Senatrix shall assume their seats in the Curia after
> > the end of the current Senate session.
> > >
> > > Datum sub manibus nostris pr. Kal. Mai. MMDCCLXII a.u.c.
> > >
> > > Given by my hand this 30th day of April 2762 A.U.C.
> > >
> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > > Censor, Novae Romae
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Just what NR needs! A person running for Censor who nearly brought Nova Roma to a lawsuit - due to his unilateral actions and violating his oath of office.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> I have announced my candidacy to the consules and was accepted as a
> candidate. I hereby make my candidacy public.
>
> Certainly there will be those who will attempt to discredit me as a
> candidate; however, my senate appointments stand as a testament to my
> willingness to seek compromise. Likewise, I have experience running a
> census (both as a scribe and as a censor), and effectively managing a
> cohores. Nova Roma needs stability and effectiveness right now, I bring
> that to the censores office.
>
> Valete:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>

Better than a censor who appoints his friend to the senate and then realizes he made a mistake and resigns.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

Just what NR needs! A person running for Censor who nearly brought Nova Roma to a lawsuit - due to his unilateral actions and violating his oath of office.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> I have announced my candidacy to the consules and was accepted as a
> candidate. I hereby make my candidacy public.
>
> Certainly there will be those who will attempt to discredit me as a
> candidate; however, my senate appointments stand as a testament to my
> willingness to seek compromise. Likewise, I have experience running a
> census (both as a scribe and as a censor), and effectively managing a
> cohores. Nova Roma needs stability and effectiveness right now, I bring
> that to the censores office.
>
> Valete:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus