On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...> wrote:

L. Coruncanius Cato C Mariae Caecae SPD, "I have observed Coruncanius Cato, and my impression was, and is, that he is too quick to parrot the views of the current regime, too prone to sweeping, overly dramatic statements that actually say very little, and that he has made statements, especially concerning our relationship with macronational law, that verge on the irresponsible. Therefore, I cannot, in good conscience vote for him." First someone called me "puppet", and now I evolved to a "parrot". And all for saying my points in a "dramatic" way. I read some things, I asked questions, I read laws (by and macronat. laws), made more questions... but no answers... I was energetic, as some other cives were during some discussions when all parts defend their points. Then why some are seen as "good people" whilst others are entitled as "parrots"? And please, explain what are your concerns about my alleged irresponsability regarding macronational laws. I always respected, and will respect, all macronational laws. If you, or anybody, has doubts, I will be delighted to talk about them. -- Di te incolumem custodiant. L. Coruncanius Cato Candidate to Aedilis Curulis

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, L Julia Aquila wrote:
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> A little comic relief:
> What if you lose?
> http://nashvilleshakes.org/whatifyoulose.htm
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I knew Plutarch, and this Shakespeare is no Plutarch =)

Venii

  A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    Catching up on some correspondence.

Salvete Omnes,

Since this draft and comments have been posted on the main list, I am assuming the liberty of making a comment, in the form of a question.  Am I wrong in thinking that the day to day operation of, for example, the main list involves tasks (such as member moderation, removing obvious spammers, etc. are simply tasks, and do not have the force of law?  Wouldn't the appointment of staff for each official also simply be considered administrative duties, and not have the force of law?

    ATS:  Assistants (apparitores, that is, accensi, scribae, and viatores) are appointed by edict.  This does not, and should not, require collegial action, though some magistrates have joint cohortes.  

 If this is correct, then the only things that would require collegial action would be edicts, which do have the force of law.  Administrative tasks wouldn't even come into that, so could be performed by either official.

    ATS:  Again, appointments are by edicta, which do have the force of law.  Other edicta need not  be issued by collegial action, EXCEPT in the case of the censores, who MUST act collegially.  It is not necessary for the praetores or the consules to act collegially, but if one issued an edict that his or her colleague did not agree with, that colleague could simply use his/her imperium to veto it.  The censores do not possess imperium, so cannot veto one another’s actions.  They are, however, a yoked pair in a way the other magistrates are not, so act collegially in the most important of their functions, the sublectiones to the senate and the issuance of notae.  Other NR censorial edicta in the past have been joint as well.  I note that both Paulinus and Laenas appointed all of the scribae, too, though that is not a common practice.   

    One could say that day to day actions are not affected by the absence of one member of a paired magistracy (nothing would get done if that were the case in NR; there have been too many missing magistrates), but it is also possible to construe things a bit differently, at least in some cases.  

Granted, I don't know all that much about NR law, (which I shall amend), so if I am wrong, just tell me to sit back and be quiet, and I will.

    ATS:  No; don’t sit back and be quiet.  One learns by asking questions.

Valete,
C. Maria Caeca

Vale, et valete.  
 
    

  A. Tullia Scholastica C. Equitio Catoni quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

  

Cato Tulliae Scholasticae sal.

Salve.

I do think that a law like this is not the best way to go about it, but Scholastica one thing I would have to say is that your laundry list of things they should be able to do is part of what makes our laws so confusing.

We are constantly trying to close every conceivable nook, loophole, and cranny with our laws and yet for all the legalese, paragraph upon paragraph of words, vast walls of text - human beings are able to find the one situation that nobody thought of.

    ATS:  O Cato, it is possible to do this simply.  One need not write out the tax code to take care of such matters...but I was commenting on an existing text, not writing one out from the beginning.  My chores right now involve writing out final examinations from scratch, not writing out laws from scratch.  I was addressing Dexter’s text, and that should be considered.  

That is why if a law like this is considered, it should be very simple: all or nothing.  Either a magistrate can act or he cannot.  Trying to cover every possible contingency is like moving the Pacific Ocean with a sieve...a very very small sieve.

    ATS:  Better:  either s/he can act on major issues, such as issuing notae, or s/he cannot, while routine tasks and apparitor appointments remain unaffected.  

Believe it or not, I actually have worked on a proposal that would give the praetors much wider general powers, wiping away several pages of dense complicated legal verbiage with a three-paragraph (short paragraphs, too) lex - and keeping much more closely with ancient concepts of jurisprudence.

    ATS:  I’d like to see that one.  

Vale,

Cato

Vale, et valete.  

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
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> >   A. Tullia Scholastica C. Equitio Catoni C. Petronio Dextro quiritibus bonae
> > voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> >     My comments are interleaved.
> >
> >   
> >
> > Cato Petronio Dextero sal.
> >
> > Salve.
> >
> > Here is your proposal, with some English grammar etc. corrections, and some
> > smoothing out:
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> >
> > Lex de binis magistratibus.
> >
> >     ATS:  Hmmm...well, this does work as meaning a pair, but does it do
> > justice to paired?  Perhaps paribus or geminis?
> >
> > "This law concerns the official activities of the following ordinarii in
> > collegial magistracies: the consuls, praetors and censors.
> >
> > 1. Any act made ex officio by a consul, praetor, or censor must be made with
> > the public written consent of each of the magistrates in that office; no
> > edictum or other instrument with the force of law may be enacted or
> > promulgated by any single consul, praetor, or censor.  If a consul, praetor,
> > or censor promulgates any edictum or legal instrument with the force of law, a
> > message concurring with that promulgation or edictum must be made within
> > twenty-four (24) hours of the original promulgation.
>
>                         ATS:  As you, Cato, should be aware, this would
> prohibit these magistrates from appointing apparitores without the consent
> of the other member of the pair, and might prevent such things as banning of
> spammers by the praetor.  We had another spammer yesterday or the day
> before.  Possibly, too, you recall the long absence of praetor Noricus, and
> the extraordinary efforts to locate him.  Such absences (hospitalizations
> minus net access, for few of them have such amenities for the residents, and
> other such things) might conceivably make such concurrence impossible.
> >
> > 2. As each of these magistracies requires collegial action, if one of them
> > becomes vacant through resignation, removal, or death, a special election
> > shall be held within twenty-four (24) days to fill the vacancy under
> > applicable election law.  During such time that an office is vacant, the
> > single magistrate still in office may not enact or promulgate any edictum or
> > instrument with force of law.
> >
> >     ATS:   One would have to specify a given number of dies comitiales, for
> > there are months (February, April, and December, just to name a few off the
> > top of my head) which have virtually no dies comitiales on which elections can
> > be held.  Granted, it is highly unlikely that an election would have to be
> > held in December (appointments may be made if vacancies occur), but April,
> > too, is often busy, and one must allow for all foreseeable contingencies.  If
> > one resigns (etc.) at or near the end of such a period, it might be difficult
> > to set up another election; tribes and centuries may have to be realigned, and
> > the cista must be prepared.  Secondly, one must add disappearance to the list,
> > for several of our magistrates simply disappear, and one quaestor (I believe
> > it was) just arrived, complaining that no one had informed him of his duties.
> >
> > 3. The sole exception to this law is the ability of a single consul or, in the
> > absence of both consuls, a single praetor to call to order either the Senate
> > to conduct business or the appropriate comitia necessary to allow a vote of
> > the People.
> >
> >     ATS:  Here we must add routine duties, such as apparitor appointment,
> > banning, etc.  In reality, the only magistracy in which both members HAD to
> > act collegially was the censura, and then only for the notae and sublectio.
> > That is the one where this is crucial, and where a colleague was, and should
> > be, required.  There should be no need for a colleague with regard to
> > citizenship approvals, banning, making apparitor appointments, and the like.
> > We also need not add the ancient rule about the censor resigning when a
> > colleague is missing; our practices are different.
> >
> > 3. This law is effective immediately.
> >
> >     ATS:  This would almost certainly have to state something more like
> > effective upon approval by the relevant comitia.
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> >
> > There are several problems with this concept in my view, but this is how it
> > might properly read.
> >
> >     ATS:  I agree that there are several problems, some of which I have
> > addressed.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >   
> >   Valete.
>

  
    

  
A. Tullia Scholastica T. Iulio Sabino Cn. Iulio Caesari quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
  

SALVETE!


--- On Sun, 5/3/09, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

For Custos I recommend Lucia Herennia Mento. Her opponent has had, and has, numerous positions. Time to let someone else have a foot in the door. >>>

    ATS:  This is rather surprising coming from a conservative.  Generally, the Boni and their allies prefer that citizens be here for more than a couple days or weeks past six months before they recommend them for magistracies, and that they have more than a few months as censorial scriba to their credit.  Mento doesn’t say much in cohors, so I don’t really know her, but now I wonder if she is hiding something wonderful under a bushel basket, something about which you know and the rest of us do not.  I hear she’s on the BA and has begun to spout the party line; one would hope that that is not the reason for an endorsement.  

    Lentulus is a fine young man who possesses Romanitas in every fiber of his being.  He has worked very hard for Nova Roma, for the Religio, and the cause of Latin.  I think he will do very well at whatever he attempts, and moreover will conduct himself honorably in the course of his duties.  


Yep, that works perfect for aedilitas.  Time to let Coruncanius Cato have a foot in the door.

    ATS:  Indeed.  As those of us who have been around here long enough know quite well, Fabius has held many posts here (and even ADMITTED this).  ;-)  We must prepare the same sauce for the gander as for the goose; if one recommends that someone who has just arrived, so to speak, be elected to a very important, if minor, magistracy primarily for that reason, then one must be consistent and say that Coruncanius should be preferred over Fabius for the same reason.  Could it be that there is some other justification behind these recommendations?  If so, what so?  


VALE BENE,
T. Iulius Sabinus

Vale, et valete.  

  
A. Tullia Scholastica M. Iulio Severo M. Curiatio Complutensi quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
  

Salvete Quirites,
 
My colleague M. Curiatius Complutensis has explained why he was absent during a few hours today, first day of elections.

    ATS:  And some of us are aware of the situation involving Complutensis, and hope that all turns out well.  One should not expect either compassion or good sense from certain quarters, and that has been demonstrated here once again.  Moreover, we have had other elections go by without any notice that the cista was open, but when one is new and ill-disposed to the regime, one may spout off such nonsense.  

I also have serious personal problems, living in a city deeply distubed by the swine flu.

    ATS:  Those of us who have been granted the normal ration of human compassion also wish the best for you in this frightening situation.  For what it’s worth, my state seems to have the highest number of cases in the U.S., and they have even closed schools for a single probable case.  We understand, if certain other parties do not.  

M. Valerius Potitus is not hearing excuses. He doesn't deserve any.

    ATS:  Indeed he does not.  He seems to lack the ability to understand that there are situations which make it impossible for someone, anyone, to be at the beck and call of some disgruntled party.  That sort does not deserve explanations.  

To you, Quirites, citizens of Nova Roma, here are our explanations.
The Consuls respect the People, and are not in any case of neglect, or dereliction of duty.
Our leadership is not established by noisy statements.

    ATS:  Nor is that of any sensible people.  The opinions of loudmouths resentful of authority should carry no weight with anyone here.  
 
Valete optime,

M•IVL•SEVERVS
CONSVL•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

SENATOR
CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO

Valete.  
  
    

> Perhaps you should instead admonish your own allies for the slander which
> you admonished others. Otherwise you may be accused of hypocrisy.

> Lucius Coruncanius Cato Valerio Poplicolae SPD
>
> Well, if disagreeing with somebody in a certain aspect and saying it, and
> speak what one thinks is "antipathy", then I can not imagine what I said
> to mean my "unwillingness" to work with current Aedile Caesar.
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> Since when being truthful means "antipathy"?
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> --
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> Di te incolumem custodiant.
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> Candidate to Aedilis Curulis
>
> --- El dom, 3/5/09, Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...>
> escribió:
> De: Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...>
> Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cn. Iulius Caesar - election endorsements
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Fecha: domingo, 3 mayo, 2009 5:23
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> Coruncanius isn't fit for the aedilitas. Besides, Caesar is the
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> and put on the best games. Coruncanius Cato is only known for his
> antipathy and unwillingness to work with Caesar.
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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@ ...>
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> Salve Popicola!
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> I have aleady done so. So now You know. ;-)
>
> ************
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> 3 maj 2009 kl. 20.45 skrev Q. Valerius Poplicola:
>
> Dear Quintilianus,
>
> Perhaps you should instead admonish your own allies for the slander
> which
> you admonished others. Otherwise you may be accused of hypocrisy.
>
> Poplicola
>
> PS - Livia's criticisms are based off of ignorance of Q. Fabius and a
> stretch at that (just take a look at the second and third criticism to
> see
> just how crazy she looks). This must be that "terrorist tactic" she
> accused
> others of. (rolling eyes go here)
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> *****************
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
>
> Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
> Civis Romanus sum
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
> ************************************************
> Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
> Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
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> Ave Pepsicola,
>
>> Perhaps you should instead admonish your own allies for the slander which
>> you admonished others. Otherwise you may be accused of hypocrisy.
>
> You came back on the ML? A very short absence. And your return is not to
> be good or kind but to be offensive against Livia. In which interest?
> Livia is so fair in her thoughts about Q. Fabius Maximus the role game
> player of Nova Roma, which needs the last version of the NR DVD.
>
> Vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
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>
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Ave;
>
> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, L Julia Aquila wrote:
> >
> >
> > A little comic relief:
> > What if you lose?
> > http://nashvilleshakes.org/whatifyoulose.htm
> >
>
> I knew Plutarch, and this Shakespeare is no Plutarch =)
>
> Venii
>

>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus M. Cur. Complutenso salutem dicit
>
> You have my condolences on your father's situation. I understand your
> predicament. I served as tribune when my father was in the hospital.
>
> My advice, delegate as much as you can and focus on your family and
> yourself!
>
> Vale;
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS
> <complutensis@...>wrote:
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> > M. Cur. Complutensis Consul M. Valerio salNo haughtiness or disregard for the People, nor dereliction of duty, only personal problems that have not allowed me to be seated before the screen 24 hour on 24 as you.As many people knows (included Iulius Caesar and Galerius Paulinus, and Fabius Maximus, and Cornelius Sulla, and others) I have my father in hospital.Please before to insult or defame a magistrate you might ask if something had prevented the Consuls do not send the message, many friends of yours could have said that I am in the hospital with my father.
> > ValeM. Cur.Complutensis
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>
>
> Salvete Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;)
>
> Just a couple of more poems for this day... the first to celebrate this day
> the gods have generously blessed and the other is to ponder:
>
> `Carmina Burana -- Veris leta facies' – CB138
> From the Codex latinus monacensis – c. 1230AD
>
> Now the happy face of spring
> shows favour to the earth,
> and winter's sharpest keening
> defeated is cast forth;
> in her garments various
> Flora starts her reign,
> all the woods harmonious
> praise her in song again.
>
> Clinging to Flora's breast
> Phoebus with manner new
> smiles once more, all is dressed
> with flowers of various hue:
> Zephyrus breathes all around
> his nectar-scented breeze.
> Let us run, as lovers bound,
> to strive for love's victory.
>
> On the men of letters call
> all the lovely maidens;
> execrating laymen all
> inferior beasts of burden.
> Love entices everyone
> its power universal;
> Venus sharing with the throng
> through summer bright eternal.
>
> Like a dulcimer the while
> sings sweet Philomena,
> now the joyful meadows smile
> with flowers of every colour.
> See the flocks of birds arise
> from the pleasant woodland,
> the maiden chorus promises
> now of joys a thousand.
>
> A Meditation In Time Of War
> FOR one throb of the artery,
> While on that old grey stone I Sat
> Under the old wind-broken tree,
> I knew that One is animate,
> Mankind inanimate fantasy'.
>
> William Butler Yeats
>
> Vale
> Julia
>
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "enodia2002" <walkyr@...> wrote:
>
> This morning I got up and read through the posts from the ML, looked at the number of taxpayers, walked over and shredded the proposal I was working on for a US$12,000 grant for Nova Roma.
>
> If this organization has any hope at all of being respected in academic and archeological circles, then it must start playing by the rules those circles respect. This means following the best practices of non-profit and charitable organizations. This means having the right credentials, the proper registrations and becoming a rated non-profit.
>
> If Nova Roma is to survive and make any progress towards its goals the minimum, MINIMUM amount of new money it needs to bring in during the next 7 months is US$10,000. Divided by 180 assidui that comes to US$55.55. Let's be generous and round it up to US$60. If each & every citizen/member of Nova Roma is not capable of bringing in $60 in NEW money then this organization does not deserve to survive. Over the course of the last year Nova Roma has suffered a 22% loss of membership, down from 662 active participants in 2005. That number showed a loss of 85% of the membership over the preceding five years. 85%!!!!
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> If you care in any way for the future of Nova Roma, then start working for her. None of the edicts, appointments, or anything else will matter if the organization dies from neglect.
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> Each and every citizen/member must accept the responsibility and challenge to bring in at least US$60 in new money (that's money from a new donor, not out of your own pocket) by the end of the year. If you get more, wonderful!
>
> Nova Roma is an organization with huge potential, but it will be destroyed by internal squabbles if we don't start taking fundraising seriously. It does not matter who is right over some picayune matter if the organization dies.
>
> Time to start acting like Romans, folks. Stop worrying over the internal battles, and go deal with the war. Otherwise, the people who came to do serious work will go elsewhere with their skills, and Nova Roma loses.
>
> V Rutilia
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>
> Really? No one is going to comment on this? Wow...that's apathetic alright.
> Well once I read this post I went back to the main page and applied for citizenship. I believe in Nova Roma. For one thing, the potential of this micronation is STAGGARING. I can conseivably speak to people in China with no language barrier, because we both speak latin! A world wide group of individuals united by a common language, culture and dedication to civilization as represented by the Via Romana is a huge, beautiful dream that is well worth putting aside petty squables for. So I say go out there and tutor Latin! Don your lorica and speak at public schools for a nominal fee. Teach CPR - there are many ways to get an extra sixty bucks, for the glory of Rome. I'm going to leave those old broshures all over my collage campus and start working on the university's Latin club. I think I'm only the second or third person to reply to this post, but where there are three, Nova Roma will survive.
> Appius Valarius Corvus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "enodia2002" <walkyr@> wrote:
> >
> > This morning I got up and read through the posts from the ML, looked at the number of taxpayers, walked over and shredded the proposal I was working on for a US$12,000 grant for Nova Roma.
> >
> > If this organization has any hope at all of being respected in academic and archeological circles, then it must start playing by the rules those circles respect. This means following the best practices of non-profit and charitable organizations. This means having the right credentials, the proper registrations and becoming a rated non-profit.
> >
> > If Nova Roma is to survive and make any progress towards its goals the minimum, MINIMUM amount of new money it needs to bring in during the next 7 months is US$10,000. Divided by 180 assidui that comes to US$55.55. Let's be generous and round it up to US$60. If each & every citizen/member of Nova Roma is not capable of bringing in $60 in NEW money then this organization does not deserve to survive. Over the course of the last year Nova Roma has suffered a 22% loss of membership, down from 662 active participants in 2005. That number showed a loss of 85% of the membership over the preceding five years. 85%!!!!
> >
> > If you care in any way for the future of Nova Roma, then start working for her. None of the edicts, appointments, or anything else will matter if the organization dies from neglect.
> >
> > Each and every citizen/member must accept the responsibility and challenge to bring in at least US$60 in new money (that's money from a new donor, not out of your own pocket) by the end of the year. If you get more, wonderful!
> >
> > Nova Roma is an organization with huge potential, but it will be destroyed by internal squabbles if we don't start taking fundraising seriously. It does not matter who is right over some picayune matter if the organization dies.
> >
> > Time to start acting like Romans, folks. Stop worrying over the internal battles, and go deal with the war. Otherwise, the people who came to do serious work will go elsewhere with their skills, and Nova Roma loses.
> >
> > V Rutilia
> >
>

>
> This morning I got up and read through the posts from the ML, looked at the number of taxpayers, walked over and shredded the proposal I was working on for a US$12,000 grant for Nova Roma.
>

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:29 PM, L Julia Aquila wrote:
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> Salve,
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> Ah but you missed the recent comedic rendition of Shakespeare's play, it
> rendered Plutarch's passage from Hades to Nashville bringing with it one of
> the worst heat waves of the Labor day season past...
> Methinks the Bard's own phantom wept at the Porch of the Maidens at the
> Historic Cemetary;)
>
> Vale
> Julia
>

That does sound interesting.

Venii

> L. Coruncanius Cato Q. Valerio Poplicolae SPD.
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> Again. I lend you a hand to talk about and clarify whatever disturbs you,
> and you keep saying nothing but the "attacks" I used. Twice.
> It is not me who has to prove anything. It is you. On he contrary than
> some other cives, you are a person with whom anyone can not talk.
> Consider this my last message to you until you are able to discuss
> anything in a reasonable manner. If this day arrives, and I hope so, I
> will be glad to talk with you about anything. Since then, have a good day
> citizen.
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> Di te incolumem custodiant.
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> L. Coruncanius Cato
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> Candidate to Aedilis Curulis
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> --- El lun, 4/5/09, Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...>
> escribió:
> De: Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...>
> Asunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cn. Iulius Caesar - election endorsements
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Fecha: lunes, 4 mayo, 2009 6:07
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> From: "Lucius Coruncanius Cato" <l.coruncanius_ cato@yahoo. com>
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> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 5:47 PM
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> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cn. Iulius Caesar - election endorsements
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>> --- El dom, 3/5/09, Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicol
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>> De: Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicol a@...>
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>> Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cn. Iulius Caesar - election endorsements
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>> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "enodia2002" <walkyr@...> wrote:
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>> This morning I got up and read through the posts from the ML, looked at
>> the number of taxpayers, walked over and shredded the proposal I was
>> working on for a US$12,000 grant for Nova Roma.
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> Last year we finally got a good handle on our finances and appointed a
> professional CFO. The financial side has never been better handled or more
> transparent.
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> The logjam in the religious offices was broken, and recent years have seen
> a huge upswing in performance of public rituals.
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> Our website is far larger than ever before, and it is being translated
> into more languages than ever. More than that, the standard of writing and
> documentation of facts is far higher than it has ever been.
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> Our new CIO is in the process of developing a plan for the future
> development of our IT serves, the first plan of its kind we've had.
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> We may be getting fewer applicants, but the retention of new citizens is
> up, and their quality is high.
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> We are not only planning the Conventus Novae Romae in Europa, but there is
> also a plan going forward for a conventus in the Americas.
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> Finally. I'll repeat what has often been said; nobody should confuse the
> Main List with Nova Roma. Lots of good hard work happens away from the
> tumult of this list.
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> M. Lucr. Agricola
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> > A. Tullia Scholastica M. Iulio Severo M. Curiatio Complutensi quiritibus bonae
> > voluntatis S.P.D.
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> > Salvete Quirites,
> >  
> > My colleague M. Curiatius Complutensis has explained why he was absent during
> > a few hours today, first day of elections.
> >
> > ATS: And some of us are aware of the situation involving Complutensis,
> > and hope that all turns out well. One should not expect either compassion or
> > good sense from certain quarters, and that has been demonstrated here once
> > again. Moreover, we have had other elections go by without any notice that
> > the cista was open, but when one is new and ill-disposed to the regime, one
> > may spout off such nonsense.
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> > I also have serious personal problems, living in a city deeply distubed by the
> > swine flu.
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> > ATS: Those of us who have been granted the normal ration of human
> > compassion also wish the best for you in this frightening situation. For what
> > it¹s worth, my state seems to have the highest number of cases in the U.S.,
> > and they have even closed schools for a single probable case. We understand,
> > if certain other parties do not.
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> > M. Valerius Potitus is not hearing excuses. He doesn't deserve any.
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> > ATS: Indeed he does not. He seems to lack the ability to understand that
> > there are situations which make it impossible for someone, anyone, to be at
> > the beck and call of some disgruntled party. That sort does not deserve
> > explanations.
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> > To you, Quirites, citizens of Nova Roma, here are our explanations.
> > The Consuls respect the People, and are not in any case of neglect, or
> > dereliction of duty.
> > Our leadership is not established by noisy statements.
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> > ATS: Nor is that of any sensible people. The opinions of loudmouths
> > resentful of authority should carry no weight with anyone here.
> >  
> > Valete optime,
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> > M€IVL€SEVERVS
> > CONSVL€NOVƀROMÆ
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> > SENATOR
> > CONSVL€PROVINCIƀMEXICO
> >
> > Valete.
> >
> >
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On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:

T.Flavius Aquila Q. Valerio Poplicolae  sal.

 

Why should Lucius Coruncanius Cato introduce himself on Back Alley List ? It is not an official Nova Roma list.

 

Personally I would not bother at all to state anything on the Back Alley . On this List of insults, harrassments and bad taste !

 

I am very reluctant to elect and vote for anybody who supports the BA list.

 

Vale bene

Titus Flavius Aquila

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato Flavio Aquilae sal.

Salve.

You wrote:

"I am very reluctant to elect and vote for anybody who supports the BA list."

If by "supports" you mean "takes part in", you better speak to almost every single magistrate in the respublica, young man, as well as people like Maior, Modianus, Cornelius Lentulus...and the list goes on. They're all subscribed to the Back Alley, and they all take part there in discussions.

I dare say you'll still campaign and vote for both Lentulus and Modianus, yes? :)

Blanket condemnations rarely do anyone justice.

Vale,

Cato

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Diana Octavia Aventina <roman.babe@...> wrote:

Salvete all,

 

Can't we have one day -- and I mean just one-- where no one writes anything nasty about the other?

How about we all just stay quiet when we have anything negative to say about someone? Let's try it for a week and see what happens. Who is with me on this? 

 

Valete,

Diana Octavia

On 5/4/09, Diana Octavia Aventina <roman.babe@...> wrote:

Salvete all,

 

Can't we have one day -- and I mean just one-- where no one writes anything nasty about the other?

Sorry Diana, I would have been all in favour of this. However I find it very telling that in the first post endorsing this idea, the sender can't refrain from insulting you by saying this is unlike you and you've previously been unpleasant.  This level of pettiness is ridiculous - the fact that it comes from someone standing for censor is frankly horrific and if I needed anything to make my mind up about who to vote for, believe me this would have done it.  I have no desire to see someone this petty in the censors office. Hopefully others will have more dignitas.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

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> Can I ask a stupid question? I must have missed somehting. I see that endoresments are being made for Censor, but I must have missed the email about when the voting would take place in the Comitia Centuriata and the cista says that voting has already ended.
> " Comitia Centuriata Status: Voting has ended. Voting starts: 2008-11-15 07:00:00 Voting ends: 2008-11-24 17:00:00 "
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> Vale,Diana 
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On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...> wrote:

On 5/4/09, Diana Octavia Aventina <roman.babe@...> wrote:

Salvete all,

 

Can't we have one day -- and I mean just one-- where no one writes anything nasty about the other?

Sorry Diana, I would have been all in favour of this. However I find it very telling that in the first post endorsing this idea, the sender can't refrain from insulting you by saying this is unlike you and you've previously been unpleasant.  This level of pettiness is ridiculous - the fact that it comes from someone standing for censor is frankly horrific and if I needed anything to make my mind up about who to vote for, believe me this would have done it.  I have no desire to see someone this petty in the censors office. Hopefully others will have more dignitas.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

On 5/4/09, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:

Salve Merula,

 

maybe you missed the slight irony in the reponse of Modianus ;-)

You can call it irony or what you will. It's still getting a dig and it's still petty, totally against the spirit of Diana's post. It's so easy to be unpleasant to people and then hide behind 'humour'. No, I wouldn't want someone like that for censor.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...> wrote:

On 5/4/09, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:

Salve Merula,

 

maybe you missed the slight irony in the reponse of Modianus ;-)

You can call it irony or what you will. It's still getting a dig and it's still petty, totally against the spirit of Diana's post. It's so easy to be unpleasant to people and then hide behind 'humour'. No, I wouldn't want someone like that for censor.

Flavia Lucilla Merula 

On 5/4/09, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

LOL!

You have never supported me anyways -- so you didn't need an excuse.

I'm not aware I've publicly supported any candidate so the fact that you claim to know my mind is absolutely amazing.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Diana Octavia Aventina <roman.babe@...> wrote:

Save Modianus,

<What did you do with Diana?  Did you replace her with someone else :) 

LOL! Well said too.

Actually, the argumentative Diana was the someone else. In real life I am in a constant state of having a stupid smile on my face and I go out of my way to compliment people. I always follow the rule "if you don't have anything nice to say about someone, then don't say anything".

But in NR I've turned into someone else whom I don't like very much. It began when I ran for Consul. A few people posted some really nasty emails about me right out of left field. Then I got nasty back and they got nastier and so did I blah blah blah and then the list gets longer of people who are nasty with me and whom I'm nasty to. This has been going on for a few years now.

And I complain that other people get nasty, when I have been doing the same thing. So I'm not going to turn over a new leaf, I'm just goign to turn it back over to its correct side :-)  

<It would be nice to have a more peaceful Nova Roma.  I'm with you on that!

Cool! That's two of us :-)

Vale,
Diana