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Tribunus Plebis Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa SPD
The Senate has finished its latest session and the vote has been tallied as follows:
Formal debate ended April 28, 2762 at 1700 CET
Voting began immediately afterward and continued until April 30, 2762 at 1600 CET.
The following senators cast their votes in time and are referred to by their initials:
1) MCC - Marcus Curiatius Complutensis
2) MMPH - Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus (proxy ballot cast by Marcus Curiatius Complutensis)
3) GEM - Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
4) TIS - Titus Iulius Sabinus
5) TGP - Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
6) MIP - Marcus Iulius Perusianus
7) GEC - Gaius Equitius Cato
8) PUSV - Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
9) GVA - Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
10) QSP - Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
11) PMA - Publius Memmius Albucius
12) EIL - Equestria Iunia Laeca
13) FAC - Franciscus Apulus Caesar
14) CCS - Caius Curius Saturninus
15) MMA - Marcus Minucius Audens
16) DIPI - Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
17) MIS - Marcus Iulius Severus
18) MHM - Marca Hortensia Maior
19) QFM - Quintus Fabius Maximus
20) ATS - Aula Tullia Scholastica
21) GIC -Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
22) LCSF - Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
23) CFD - Caius Flavius Diocletianus
24) ECF - Emilia Curia Finnica
25) MLA - Marcus Lucretius Agricola
26) CFBM - Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
The following senators cast a vote but after the time limit:
Flavius Galerius Aurelianus
The following senators did not cast a vote and did not give an explanation for their absence:
K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
C. Marius Merullus
M. Arminius Maior
Arn. Moravia Aurelia
Ap. Tullius Marcellus Cato
Item I Emergency Disaster Fund
An Emergency/Disaster Fund is hereby established by the Senate for cases of catastrophes, to help and support mainly, but not only, Nova Roman citizens.
The use of this Fund will be public and well known to the people (not only within NR, but also to beneficiaries) in a way that shows clearly that NR is making the donation.
I.a The fund should be fed by individual donations (public or private), and/or any other way the Senate might find appropriate.
I.b The Consuls shall set a deadline after which the money gathered until that moment will be delivered to the Italian Red Cross for relief of the Abruzzo earthquake victims. After that, a second deadline will be set by the Consuls, to gather money which will be devolved to an organization, yet to be identified, for the reconstruction of damaged houses and/or roman articacts and monuments in Abruzzo.
After this, further deadlines and specific goals for the use of the fund may be set by the Consuls.
I.c No new bank account is needed. The fund will be set aside in the budget, like the MM fund. A new donation option shall be added to the relevant wiki page.
Uti rogas - 14
Antiquo - 9
Abstineo - 3
The item passes.
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM UTI ROGAS
*TIS: Uti rogas. However I join the other Senators point of view, that it was better to make it a general fund from the beginning.
*TGP UTI ROGAS
*MIP UTI ROGAS
*GEC ANTIQUO I would support this if references to specific disasters are removed. Make it a general fund whose monies can be disbursed as the Senate sees fit to any disaster in which citizens of Nova Roma are affected or the Roman heritage anywhere in the world can be protected.
*PUSV - UTI ROGAS
*GVA - UTI ROGAS
*QSP - ANTIQUO - Should be for Roman sites only as mentioned.
*PMA - ABSTINEO for the four following reasons:
1/ Even if the idea is good, I think that NR must not react after every event, but allow itself time to adapt its organization and means according its goals ;
2/ It is not specified whether this the Fund is a new one, or the re-clothed Emergency Fund.
3/ The participation of the Treasury, as such, is not specified. If NR Treasury to put monies in this fund, where these monies will come from ? From new receipts ? From a transfer coming from existing funds, and if yes, from which ones ?
4/ The Fund should work in 3 steps, as the Curia did with the MMP last year: first set the principle of a Fund ; second voting to have this or that event entered in the Fund's scope (for ex. here with the Abruzzo's earthquake). Inside these
2 steps preliminary frame, the consuls would come to the Senate with a list of proposed donations (Red cross, local associations, other ones, etc.).
*EIL: Uti Rogas
*FAC VTI ROGAS: I woulf prefer to destinate this fund to novaromans and roman monuments affected by distasters, but this is a good project
*CCS ANTIQUO
*MMA UTI ROGAS
*DIPI ABSTINEO While the idea is good we don't have the resources yet to make a significant impact.
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM Antiquo. Let's save the forum
*QFM ANTIQVO I believe that this is admirable sentiment in a poorly written bill. I remind the Conscript Fathers our business language is English by law, therefore our SCs should be in excellent English. I also believe that if we need to give money to Aubruzzo, we need to have a separate SC detailing that and that alone. This needs to be refined and brought back to this House at a later date.
*ATS Abstineo. I am not entirely convinced of the need for this on our part. There may be better ways of assisting the victims of such disasters via existing agencies, much as we sympathize with them, and particularly with those in Italia.
*GIC: Antiquo There are adequate ways people can donate funds to this outside of NR and funds in NR should be for NR.
*LCSF UTI ROGAS
*CFD ANTIQUO
*ECF ANTIQUO
*MLA ANTIQUO
*CFBM UTI ROGAS
Item II Investigation on the state of affairs of the Magna Mater Project
The Senate authorizes the Consuls to instruct the Consular Quaestors to start an investigation on the state of affairs of the Magna Mater Project, and to obtain legal advice from a qualified lawyer in the United States. A report must be presented to the Senate within a month from the starting date of the investigation. The full report will be presented at the end of the investigation within 2.5 months from the starting date of the investigation.
Uti rogas - 21
Antiquo - 4
Abstineo - 0
The item passes
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM UTI ROGAS
*TIS UTI ROGAS
*TGP UTI ROGAS
*MIP UTI ROGAS
*GEC UTI ROGAS
*PUSV UTI ROGAS
*GVA - UTI ROGAS
*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*PMA - ANTIQUO, for five reasons :
1/ This item is linked to the following one. The consular quaestors cannot be asked investigated on a Project which would fall under the competency of another magistracy, and its assigned quaestors (see Item III proposal). The Item III must be set *before* the Item II ;
2/ The starting date of investigation not being specified, what happens if the investigation begins on December, the next magistrates being not able to assume the acts of their predecessors ?
3/ The MMP has been duly reported to the Senate several times, including last year. No new element allows to state that the previous reports, and the control applied by the Curia, would have been ill-made.
4/ The limitation of the skills of the proposed lawyer in the U.S.A. would not answer, if a full new audit would be seen necessary, the legal questions on the European situation that should ask this audit.
5/ If the questions asked are about the relation between NR Inc. and the incorporation country law, the matter should be examined by the Board of NR Inc. as such, duly convened, not inside the Roman Senate.
*EIL: Uti Rogas
*FAC VTI ROGAS: I'm sure about the good goals of MMP but it this procedure is necessary to assicure you about the project, I support it
*CCS Antiquo. Discussions here in the Senate have demonstrated clearly that no investigation is needed.
*MMA UTI ROGAS
*DIPI Uti Rogas There are too many questions about this that must be
answered.
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM Antiquo. There is no need, we've discussed this in the Senate sufficiently
*QFM UTI ROGAS
*ATS UTI ROGAS
*GIC: Uti Rogas
*LCSF UTI ROGAS
*CFD UTI ROGAS
*ECF Antiquo I can see no need for such
*MLA ANTIQUO
*CFBM UTI ROGAS
Item III Oversight of the Magna Mater Project
The Senate hereby decides to remove the oversight of the Magna Mater Project from the Curule Aediles, and assigns it to the CIO Office.
Uti rogas - 11
Antiquo - 13
Abstineo - 1
The item fails
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM UTI ROGAS
*TIS: TIS: Antiquo. In concordance with his approved duties, the CIO responsibility can be to oversight only the MMP website.
*TGP ANTIQUO The CIO is not an elected magistrate. He or she is an appointed officer of the Senate. For all this time it was OK for the Curule Aediles to oversee the MMP but get one Curule Aediles who even questions the project and oversight must change to someone who has NO questions about how it runs. It would seem that only those who believe that the MMP is the greatest thing since sliced bread can be allowed to oversee it.
*MIP ABSTINEO
*GEC ANTIQUO the MMP needs to be evaluated in a legal setting before we move it around at all.
*PUSV ANTIQUO
*GVA ANTIQUO
*QSP ANTIQUO
*PMA ANTIQUO : Even if the aediles and the censors seem the most relevant elected magistrates, especially historically, to be entrusted with the management of such a pluriformal Project like the MMP, the Senate may decide to entrust any other magistrate whose rank is high enough, however, to prevail on the quaestor who must necessarily and legally work with her/him.
The office of CIO, whoever be the holder of this office, does not fulfill these requirements.
In such a context, the consuls should have chosen the simplest solution: to propose the Curia that they managed themselves, directly and with the help of their quaestors, the MMP.
*EIL: Uti Rogas
*FAC UTI ROGAS
*CCS Uti rogas. The project needs to be transferred as soon as possible away from the hands of the Aedile who has done so severe mistakes and caused so much damage to whole Nova Roma (both corporation and res publica) by his actions. I hoped that he would have been man enough to resign after such fiasco he caused by damaging public property on political motives.
*MMA ANTIQUO The CIO has already made it clear that he believes the MMP is fine as it is and has insulted those who have brought forth information against it, as it stands. NR gains nothing by placing MMP into the hands of one who is unaware of the potential problems that may well be contained therein.
*DIPI Antiquo Transferring oversight to this position makes no sense at all. This is simply an attempt to avoid accountability because Caesar has brought up uncomfortable questions about the project people would rather not answer.
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM Uti rogas. This project should be transferred asap. The Aedile made baseless accusations without looking at evidence or even speaking with our CFO by his own admission. He has damaged Nova Roma's reputation. Politics drives him not regard for the res publica. He should have resigned, but is without honor.
*QFM ANTIQVO What exactly is this love affair with the MMP? When certain Conscript Fathers are so committed to a project that they first ignore then obstruct information using the strangest means possible, I have written enough plots and storylines to understand that there is more here that what appears on the surface. But even if this was not the case, the Aediles still are the proper administrators of such a website project, and should remain so.
*ATS UTI ROGAS On the assumption that this refers ONLY to the actual website of the Magna Mater Project, assentior; uti rogas. If not, I would be inclined to vote antiquo.
*GIC: Antiquo
*LCSF ANTIQUO
*CFD UTI ROGAS
*ECF UTI ROGAS
*MLA UTI ROGAS
*CFBM Antiquo. I don't think our current aedile is the best choice for oversight, but I think the office itself should administer the project. This is why magistrates operate in pairs. Without a colleague there is the potential for abuse.
Item IV Senate Seal
The Senate hereby decides to make the Senate Seal a binding law of all members of the Senate, whereby they should not discuss any business, including committees, outside of the Senate, except for that specifically detailed in the Senate Handbook
Uti rogas 11
Antiquo 13
Abstineo 1
The item fails
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM UTI ROGAS
*TIS UTI ROGAS
*TGP UTI ROGAS
*MIP UTI ROGAS
*GEC ANTIQUO although I am inclined to agree with the thought behind this, I see no reason why it should be made into law. It strikes me as particularly inappropriate at a time when so much concern is being raised over the incursion of certain magistrates into the realm of censorship for
political/personal reasons. Under a set of magistrates whose actions were above reproach this might be more acceptable but in the current climate, I say that this should not be accepted
*PUSV ANTIQUO
*GVA ANTIQUO
*QSP ANTIQUO
*PMA ANTIQUO : If the discussions of *NR Inc. Board* could be private, apart its reports, the sessions of the Senate should be, as they were in the ancient times, public.
*EIL: Uti Rogas
*FAC UTI ROGAS
*CCS Antiquo. We should move into more open direction, not more closed.
*MMA UTI ROGAS
*DIPI Antiquo We should be moving towards more transparency, not less, especially in our current political climate.
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM Antiquo. I agree entirely with Saturninus. We should move in a more open direction, not more closed. Openess and transparencey is what the Senate needs.
*QFM ANTIQVO The seal concept was based on protecting the identities of Nova Roma employees while their job performance was discussed by the Conscript Fathers. It was never made to allow secret discussions about the People of Nova Roma. The Seal is a courtesy that the Senate follows for the above reason. It should not be formalized.
*ATS UTI ROGAS
*GIC: Antiquo
*LCSF ANTIQUO
*CFD ANTIQUO
*ECF ANTIQUO
*MLA ANTIQUO We should respect the privacy of those who spoke understanding that these proceedings were private, but if that is not possible then the least bad solution is openness
*CFBM ABSTINEO
Item V Official Seal of Nova Roma
The Senate hereby designates the obverse and the reverse of the first coin issued by Nova Roma as the official Seal of Nova Roma.
Uti rogas 23
Antiquo 0
Abstineo 3
The item passes
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM UTI ROGAS
*GEM UTI ROGAS
*TGP UTI ROGAS
*MIP UTI ROGAS
*GEC UTI ROGAS
*PUSV UTI ROGAS
*GVA UTI ROGAS
*QSP UTI ROGAS
*PMA ABSTINEO : I am not sure that Nova Roma, as the continuation of Rome, needs a seal, as every average organization.
*EIL: Uti Rogas
*FAC UTI ROGAS
*CCS Uti rogas. However I see very little use for this.
*MMA UTI ROGAS
*DIPI Uti rogas I don't see this is an important issue but am willing to support it.
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM UTI ROGAS
*QFM VTI ROGAS This is of course if Senator Cassius (the owner) has no objections.
*ATS UTI ROGAS
*GIC: Uti rogas
*LCSF UTI ROGAS
*CFD UTI ROGAS
*ECF UTI ROGAS
*MLA ABSTINEO
*CFBM ABSTINEO
Item VI Dissolution of inactive provinces
Inactive provinces (two Asiae, Venedia and Hibernia) are to be dissolved, and all citizens residing in areas that aren't provinces of NR should be represented and administered by the Praetors. The Praetors can divide the tasks among themselves.
Uti rogas 11
Antiquo 13
Abstineo 2
The item fails
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM UTI ROGAS
*TIS: Antiquo. The Senate Committee on provincial affairs was not consulted. For what the committee was created?
*TGP ANTIQUO Keeping them available is better than having to recreate them later. Adding Hibernia to Britannia would make the province to big. Most of our provinces are already too big. California should be split into at least 3 or even 4 provinces and based on cities not an American state. Food for thought: My province is Mediatlantic and is one Nova Roma province but seven US states. We should reorganize our provinces along city lines and not state lines.
*MIP ABSTINEO. I preferred these citizens were included in adjacent provinces but I had no time to discuss here.
*GEC ANTIQUO Iulius Sabinus is correct; why do we have a Committee if it is not going to be used. If I had thought this over earlier, I would have recommended that this be referred like the Budget Committee item
*PUSV ANTIQUO
*GVA ANTIQUO
*QSP Antiquo - They could fire up any time.
*PMA UTI ROGAS, being reminded that the praetors will need, for managing these provinces, a dynamic help from the censors (citizenry).
*EIL: Uti Rogas
*FAC ABSTINEO: I would prefer to unit this provinces withe the closer and active provinces and this matter would be discussed by the provincial committee as said by Senator Sabinus
*CCS UTI ROGAS
*MMA ANTIQUO I do not understand how this item came to the Senate agenda without being sent to the Senate Committee for Provincial Affairs. If the Consul think so little of this committee then perhaps it should be disbanded. It would also seem that either the Consuls have forgotten who these committees are or have undertaken to make their decisions for them.
*DIPI Antiquo I'd rather leave them dormant ready to start up again.
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM Uti rogas. As former propraetrix of Hibernia it's sad to see. I hope the future will see this province revive.
*QFM ANTIQVO First off as a member of the Provinces Committee this is the first I am seeing of this. So, the Consuls broke their own protocols. Next, Provinces should be decreased in size due to the population not widened. Those citizens in those provinces must administer themselves.
*ATS Antiquo, with reservations. I would prefer that inactive provinces be annexed to their neighbors pending reactivation. In particular, Hibernia used to be part of Britannia, and it makes good sense to restore that situation.
*GIC: Antiquo
*LCSF ANTIQUO
*CFD ANTIQUO
*ECF UTI ROGAS
*MLA UTI ROGAS
*CFBM UTI ROGAS
Item VII Roman name to the CIO
The Senate gives a Roman name to the CIO so that it can be normally involved in our Roman nomenclature and hierarchy. Thus, the CIO's official title in Latin should be "Curator Rei Informaticae" .
Uti rogas 19
Antiquo 2
Abstineo 5
The item passes
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM UTI ROGAS
*TIS UTI ROGAS
*TGP UTI ROGAS
*MIP UTI ROGAS
*GEC UTI ROGAS
*PUSV UTI ROGAS
*GVA UTI ROGAS
*QSP UTI ROGAS
*PMA ANTIQUO : I have constantly considered and still do, that the C.I.O. should be linked to NR Inc., and not included inside our Roman system of law. We had already one or two MA, whose title should be enough.
*EIL: Uti Rogas
*FAC UTI ROGAS
*CCS Abstineo. I really see no need for this, but on the other hand I don't see a specific reason to vote against it.
*MMA UTI ROGAS
*DIPI ABSTINEO
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM Uti Rogas; the more Latin in Nova Roma the better
*QFM ANTIQVO The CIO is a modern convention, not a Roman one. The CIO of the Vatican has no Latin equivalent, only a title in Italian
*ATS Abstineo. I’m all for Latin names, but don’t think this is the best rendition of this title. There is, however, no Latin word for the term information in the sense we normally use it, though there is one for informing on someone/something.
*GIC: Uti rogas
*LCSF UTI ROGAS
*CFD UTI ROGAS
*ECF ABSTINEO
*MLA ABSTINEO
*CFBM UTI ROGAS
Item VIII Appointment of a Magister aranearius
The Senate appoints Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as Magister aranearius, to work under the authority of the CIO, Senator Gaius Curius Saturninus.
VIII.a. In no more than three days, starting in the date that this item is approved, the Consuls will publish a call in the diverse forums of Nova Roma, to invite all interested cives in occupying the other position of Magister aranearius. Two finalists will have to be selected by the CIO, so that the Senate designates the second Magister aranearius
Uti rogas 20
Antiquo 5
Abstineo 1
The item passes
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM UTI ROGAS
*TIS: Uti rogas. My thanks in advance to Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.
*TGP UTI ROGAS
*MIP UTI ROGAS
*GEC UTI ROGAS
*PUSV UTI ROGAS
*GVA UTI ROGAS
*QSP UTI ROGAS
*PMA ANTIQUO : I have constantly considered and still do, that the C.I.O. should be linked to NR Inc., outside our Roman system of law. In consequence, our MA (s) cannot be placed under her/his responsibility. Such a measure increases the confusion that we have made and still do between the corporation and its obligations, on a hand, and the Republic and its own goals and organization, on another
*EIL: Uti Rogas
*FAC ABSTINEO: I don't know anything about this item
*CCS Uti rogas. My most sincere thanks for Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.
*MMA UTI ROGAS
*DIPI UTI ROGAS
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM Uti rogas. Cn. Cornelius Lentulus is a wonderful productive Nova Roman, we are lucky to have him.
*QFM ANTIQVO Forgive me Conscript Fathers, why are we awarding Cornelius Lenetulus for his screw-up at moderation, nearly causing a Civil War last weekend? Once again this appears to be favoritism at its most obscene
*ATS UTI ROGAS
*GIC: Antiquo If we are going to put a call out for candidates let it be for both positions, or appoint both.
*LCSF Antiquo - I agree with the comments of Senator Fabius.
*CFD UTI ROGAS
*ECF UTI ROGAS
*MLA UTI ROGAS
*CFBM UTI ROGAS
Item IX Senate Committee on Incorporation
The Senate hereby creates a new committee of senators to consider the incorporated status of Nova Roma.
IX. a. According to the Senatus Consultum on permanent standing committees, new committees may be created through senatus consulta.
IX. b. The new committee will adhere to the Preliminary rules for committees, as laid out in the Senatus Consultum on permanent standing committees.
IX. c. The senate hereby creates the Senate Committee on Incorporation.
IX. c.1. The Senate Committee on Incorporation will investigate all options and problems concerning the incorporation of Nova Roma. Costs and legalities involved are to be documented and prepared for the perusal of the senate.
IX. d. The Senate Committee on Incorporation is hereby authorized to admit non-senate members at the discretion of the chair person. These are not allowed to vote in the committee, only to participate in discussions where they have expertise or experience.
Uti rogas 18
Antiquo 6
Abstineo 1
The item passes
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM UTI ROGAS
*TIS: Uti rogas
*TGP ANTIQUO
*MIP VTI ROGAS. I hope this's going to solve the question once for all
*GEC UTI ROGAS
*PUSV UTI ROGAS
*GVA UTI ROGAS
*QSP UTI ROGAS
*PMA ANTIQUO, for the matters concerning NR Inc. must be managed by the Board of the corporation, as such, not as the Senate of the Republic. A separate session of the Board must thus be convened according the appropriate rules.
*EIL: Uti Rogas
*FAC No vote given
*CCS Uti rogas. I hope this committee will succeed
*MMA UTI ROGAS This vote is offered if the Consuls intend to use this new committee as something which will assist the Senate in reaching decisions.
*DIPI ANTIQUO
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM Uti rogas. I hope this committee will be successful in its endeavors
*QFM VTI ROGAS Hopefully we can incorporate in a another state, with less regulations.
*ATS UTI ROGAS
*GIC: Antiquo
*LCSF ANTIQUO
*CFD ANTIQUO
*ECF UTI ROGAS
*MLA UTI ROGAS
*CFBM ABSTINEO
Item X Adoption of an Arbitration Agreement
The Senate votes to adopt the use of an Arbitration Agreement for settling legal disputes initiated by or against the corporation. For legal disputes within the United States, the arbitration will be processed through the dispute resolution services of the American Arbitration Association (adr.org) using “documents onlyâ€.
The purpose of adopting this agreement is to limit the legal fees incurred by the corporation that would result from settling disputes through the court system. The Arbitration Agreement is located in the Senate files section under Legal. The direct link to the document is:
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/SenatusRom anus/files/ Legal/Arbitratio n%20Agreement.
Further information can be found in the presentation:
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/SenatusRom anus/files/ Legal/Arbitratio nAgreementBOD. html
For legal disputes outside the United States, the proper national or regional arbitration agreements will be sought, if and when needed.
Uti rogas 10
Antiquo 14
Abstineo 2
The item fails
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM UTI ROGAS, with particular thanks to Senatrix Laeca, who developed this proposal.
*TIS: Uti rogas
*TGP ANTIQUO
*MIP ABSTINEO
*GEC ANTIQUO
*PUSV ANTIQUO
*GVA ANTIQUO
*QSP ANTIQUO
*PMA ANTIQUO, for three reasons:
1/ the matters concerning NR Inc. must be managed by the Board of the corporation, as such, and not by the Senate of the Republic. A separate session of the Board must thus be convened according the appropriate rules ;
2/ the matter has not been worked enough, and is either not applicable in some cases, for example when a party refuses to compromise, or illegal in some countries ;
3/ the difference is not made between the disputes which could arise within the corporation as such (NR Inc.) and the Republic, wherein the only laws to be applied are our Roman system of law, which excludes by itself the idea of arbitration. For such matters, a senatus consultum would be unconstitutional.
*EIL: Uti Rogas
*FAC UTI ROGAS
*CCS Antiquo. I see no need for this.
*MMA UTI ROGAS
*DIPI ANTIQUO
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM Antiquo. I cannot see spending the cives money on this. Surely we can find a better and zero cost way for Nova Roma to avoid expensive litigation.
*QFM ANTIQUO
*ATS UTI ROGAS I would hope that this would not be necessary, but tentatively, uti rogas.
*GIC: Antiquo
*LCSF ANTIQUO
*CFD ANTIQUO
*ECF ANTIQUO
*MLA UTI ROGAS
*CFBM ABSTINEO
Item XI Risk Management Task Force
The Senate votes to approve the creation of a Risk Management Task Force. The purpose of this item is to form a dedicated team focused solely on the identification and evaluation of all risk areas within the corporation and arrange them by risk level. Once their analysis has been completed, the task force will present their findings along with strategies and action items for mitigating the risk in a formal report to the Senate. They will be asked that the report be submitted within 30 to 90 days after the formation of the team.
XI.a. The initial outcome of this task force will be to advise the board of which areas need immediate attention. The board should then select individuals to act on the recommendations of the task force. The task force will continue to monitor and evaluate the new measures as they are put in place, determine if they have been effective, make changes if necessary, and provide ongoing reports to the board on an as needed basis.
Uti rogas 15
Antiquo 9
Abstineo 1
The item passes
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM: Uti Rogas, again with thanks to Senatrix Laeca for her work in
developing this idea.
*TIS: Uti rogas
*TGP ANTIQUO
*MIP UTI ROGAS
*GEC UTI ROGAS
*PUSV ANTIQUO This could well be subsumed within the discussions in an Incorporation Committee.
*GVA UTI ROGAS
*QSP UTI ROGAS
*PMA ANTIQUO, for two reasons:
1/ the matters concerning NR Inc. must be managed by the Board of the corporation, as such, not by the Senate of the Republic. A separate session of the Board must thus be convened according the appropriate rules ;
2/ The Republic, and especially the Senate, must not multiply its working groups, committees, etc. ; in its frame, the consulate should fulfill the tasks here asked to this Task Force, after having consulted the appropriate persons.
*EIL: Uti Rogas
*FAC UTI ROGAS
*CCS Antiquo. I don't think this is a realistic project. The scope is too wide.
*MMA UTI ROGAS
*DIPI ANTIQUO
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM Antiquo. Just another comittee, with a massive scope
*QFM ANTIQVO This is not the purvey of the Senate of Nova Roma. This should be an outside job by neutral parties with nothing at stake.
*ATS UTI ROGAS Unfortunately, it seems we do need this at least
*GIC: Uti rogas
*LCSF UTI ROGAS
*CFD ANTIQUO
*ECF ANTIQUO
*MLA UTI ROGAS
*CFBM ABSTINEO
Item XII Citizenship certificate
The Senate hereby creates a Citizenship Certificate to be given to each new citizen, as token of his allegiance to Nova Roma. It would include this information:
The Republic of Nova Roma
Citizenship Certificate
Be it know that
(Roman name)
Who was born on date in (insert city) and is a resident of (insert Roman Province) has been enrolled as citizen (insert citizen number in Roman numerals) by Censors (insert year for Censors name to be inserted).
By this grant of citizenship the recipient will endeavor to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, to always act in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma and will obey, protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma and the laws made pursuant to it.
As a citizen of Nova Roma the recipient will honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in their public dealings, and will pursue the Roman Virtues in their public and private life.
Done on this day (insert Consular date and year).
Seal
It would be in Latin and the citizens’ native language. The two sided certificate would be placed in a cover like this one and then mailed to the citizen.
http://www.creative filingsystems. com/Clearance- CertHldrs. html
A rough draft of the proposed certificate may be found on the Senate list files section, under the name Citizenship certificate
Uti rogas 22
Antiquo 2
Abstineo 1
The item passes
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM: Uti Rogas, with thanks to Censor Paulinus for his efforts in
creating this.
*TIS: Uti rogas
*TGP UTI ROGAS
*MIP UTI ROGAS
*GEC UTI ROGAS
*PUSV UTI ROGAS
*GVA UTI ROGAS
*QSP UTI ROGAS
*PMA UTI ROGAS
*EIL: Uti Rogas
*FAC UTI ROGAS
*CCS Antiquo. I would like to see more definite proposal, or only vote for creation of such and then have separate vote on which design we choose.
*MMA UTI ROGAS
*DIPI UTI ROGAS
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM UTI ROGAS
*QFM UTI ROGAS
*ATS ABSTINEO While I am not among those who has to have physical proof of my citizenship, I think that this is a good idea overall. I do, however, question whether every citizen might like to have personal information (such as birth date) on a certificate which might be displayed in one’s residence, and whether this is the best option for its presentation, ergo abstineo.
*GIC: Uti rogas
*LCSF UTI ROGAS
*CFD UTI ROGAS
*ECF ANTIQUO
*MLA UTI ROGAS
*CFBM UTI ROGAS
Item XIII Grant for the annual Conventus in Europe
The Aediles Curules decided to accept two years ago, in the frame of their powers and of the current laws, the candidacy presented by provincia Gallia to held Nova Roma’s Annual Conventus.
After Dacia last year, the Conventus is scheduled to be held within the first 10 days of August in Burgundy, France (Gallia), around the “twin†cities of Autun (Augustodunum) and Bibracte (Bibrax).
As usual, in order to be able to organize the Conventus, the hosting provincia requests a grant from the central Treasury.
In the budget file inserted in the files section of our Curia, you will see that the grant requested from the Treasury is for an amount of 3,692 USD, i.e. 50 % of the provisional budget for the whole Conventus. The citizens of the Provincia Gallia citizens offer to contribute 1,477 USD (20%), and the attendants fees are being estimated at 2,215 USD (30%), on the basis of 15 cives attending.
XIII.A The Senate hereby decides:
XIII.A.1. To authorize a grant for 3.692 USD to the Provincia Gallia for the organization of the Nova Roma Conventus 2762 in Europe;
XIII.A.2 To pay this grant before June 30th, 2762 on an account that the Praetor Galliae will specify to the Quaestrix aerari;
XIII.A.3. If the definitive budget for the Conventus is by an amount inferior to 7,384 USD, the Provincia Gallia will reinburse the difference, considering that the senatorial grant will not in any case be higher than 50 % of the definitive budget.
Uti rogas 5
Antiquo 17
Abstineo 3
The item fails
*MCC ANTIQUO. This amount was not included in our 2009 Budget, therefore if the Senate approves this item there is not money to pay this amount without the complete revision of the annual Budget.
*MMPH ANTIQUO
*GEM: Antiquo, I simply can not support this amount, no matter how
worthy the project.
*TIS: Antiquo. I can't support the amount of money requested.
*TGP ANTIQUO
*MIP ABSTINEO
*GEC ANTIQUO I completely support the face-to-face experience that a Conventus affords; I am not convinced, however, that the State should be paying such a large portion of the costs
*PUSV ANTIQUO
*GVA ANTIQUO
*QSP UTI ROGAS
*PMA ABSTINEO, being myself the governor in charge of this event.
*EIL: Antiquo. This item was never offered to the Budget & Finance
committee for consideration and the amount requested is not reasonable.
*FAC UTI ROGAS
*CCS Antiquo. The sum is too high
*MMA ANTIQUO This amount of money is far, far to much to even be considered. This is a function of the Governors and awaken the enthusiasm for their citizens to participate willingly in these kinds of conventions without massive financial outlays from NR to encourage them.
*DIPI ANTIQUO
*MIS ANTIQUO
*MHM UTI ROGAS
*QFM ANTIQUO
*ATS ABSTINEO
*GIC ANTIQUO
*LCSF ANTIQUO
*CFD UTI ROGAS
*ECF ANTIQUO
*MLA ANTIQUO
*CFBM ANTIQUO
or XIII.B The Senate decides to send the Budget of the Conventus in Europe to the Budget and Finnacial Senate Committe for its revision
Uti rogas 20
Antiquo 0
Abstineo 2
The item passes
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM: Uti Rogas, I look forward to the Budget Committee's
recommendation next month.
*TIS: Uti rogas
*TGP UTI ROGAS
*MIP ABSTINEO
*GEC UTI ROGAS
*PUSV UTI ROGAS
*GVA No vote cast
*QSP No vote cast
*PMA ABSTINEO, being myself the governor in charge of this event.
*EIL: Uti Rogas
*FAC UTI ROGAS
*CCS Uti rogas. Let's use the committees, they should ease the workload of the Senate in the matters like these.
*MMA UTI ROGAS
*DIPI UTI ROGAS
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM UTI ROGAS
*QFM UTI ROGAS
*ATS UTI ROGAS With reservations, this might be wiser
*GIC UTI ROGAS
*LCSF UTI ROGAS
*CFD No vote given
*ECF UTI ROGAS
*MLA UTI ROGAS
*CFBM UTI ROGAS
Item XIV Appointment of provincial governors
The following provinciae are still without governor, hence the Senate hereby decides:
XIV.1. Appoint M. Cornelius Felix governor of Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
Uti rogas 15
Antiquo 10
Abstineo 1
M. Cornelius Felix is appointed governor
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH ANTIQUO
*GEM ANTIQUO
*TIS UTI ROGAS
*TGP ABSTAIN
*MIP UTI ROGAS
*GEC UTI ROGAS
*PUSV UTI ROGAS
*GVA UTI ROGAS
*QSP UTI ROGAS
*PMA UTI ROGAS
*EIL ANTIQUO
*FAC UTI ROGAS
*CCS ANTIQUO
*MMA UTI ROGAS
*DIPI UTI ROGAS
*MIS ANTIQUO
*MHM ANTIQUO
*QFM VTI ROGAS He is Dyslexic, not insane like some of the House members here have hinted.
*ATS ANTIQUO
*GIC UTI ROGAS
*LCSF UTI ROGAS
*CFD UTI ROGAS
*ECF ANTIQUO
*MLA ANTIQUO
*CFBM ANTIQUO
XIV.2. Appoint M. Valerius Potitus governor of Provincia America Austroccidentalis
Uti rogas 16
Antiquo 8
Abstineo 1
M. Valerius Potitus is appointed governor
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM ANTIQUO
*TIS UTI ROGAS
*TGP UTI ROGAS
*MIP UTI ROGAS
*GEC UTI ROGAS
*PUSV UTI ROGAS
*GVA UTI ROGAS
*QSP UTI ROGAS
*PMA UTI ROGAS
*EIL ANTIQUO
*FAC UTI ROGAS
*CCS ANTIQUO
*MMA ABSTINEO I do not know anything of this candidate.
*DIPI UTI ROGAS
*MIS ANTIQUO
*MHM ANTIQUO
*QFM VTI ROGAS Potitus' energy will be good thing for Austroccidentalis.
*ATS Antiquo. Omnino indignus est.
*GIC UTI ROGAS
*LCSF UTI ROGAS
*CFD UTI ROGAS
*ECF ANTIQUO
*MLA ANTIQUO
*CFBM ANTIQUO
XIV.3. Appoint C. Pompeius Marcellus governor of Provincia Medioccidentalis
Uti rogas 23
Antiquo 0
Abstineo 1
C. Pompeius Marcellus is appointed governor
*MCC UTI ROGAS
*MMPH UTI ROGAS
*GEM UTI ROGAS
*TIS UTI ROGAS
*TGP UTI ROGAS
*MIP UTI ROGAS
*GEC UTI ROGAS
*PUSV UTI ROGAS
*GVA UTI ROGAS
*QSP UTI ROGAS
*PMA UTI ROGAS
*EIL UTI ROGAS
*FAC UTI ROGAS
*CCS UTI ROGAS
*MMA UTI ROGAS
*DIPI UTI ROGAS
*MIS UTI ROGAS
*MHM UTI ROGAS
*QFM ABSTAINO Alas I do not know the man nor his qualifications
*ATS UTI ROGAS While I do not know this individual well enough to cast a fully-informed vote, I am willing to give him a chance
*GIC UTI ROGAS
*LCSF UTI ROGAS
*CFD UTI ROGAS
*ECF UTI ROGAS
*MLA UTI ROGAS
*CFBM UTI ROGAS
XIV.4.a Appoint Q. Valerius Poplicola governor of Provincia California or
XIV.4.b Appoint Q. Fabius Maximus governor of Provincia California
QFM 17
QVP 2
Q. Fabius Maximus is appointed governor
*MCC Q. Fabius Maximus (Q. Valerius Poplicola is not resident in California Province)
*MMPH Q. Fabius Maximus
*GEM Q. Valerius Poplicola
*TIS Q. Fabius Maximus (Q. Valerius Poplicola is not resident of provincia California)
*TGP UTI ROGAS to both
*MIP ANTIQUO (Poplicola) and ABSTINEO (Maximus)
*GEC no vote was cast
*PUSV Q. Fabius Maximus
*GVA Q. Fabius Maximus
*QSP Q. Fabius Maximus
*PMA Q. Fabius Maximus, that I have constantly supported in this office
*EIL Q. Fabius Maximus
*FAC Abstineo
*CCS ANTIQUO to both
*MMA Q. Fabius Maximus This Senator has been slighted enough, and the province of California has been long enough without a Governor, even though this candidate has stood for election willing on past occasions. He has not resigned any Magistry in a tiff to return asking for reinstatement, he has not left NR no matter what insults were directed against him, and many of his advices to the Senate have been sound in their simplicity and directness. We need good Governors in our provinces and this man is one of the best.
*DIPI Q. Fabius Maximus
*MIS Q. Fabius Maximus
*MHM ANTIQUO to both
*QFM Q. Fabius Maximus Of course I'm going to vote for myself. Valerius Poplicola will likely be Legate of CAL Superior when he arrives in SF in Sextilis if he wants the post.
*ATS Antiquo to both On Poplicola: He does not reside in that province, will be a first year graduate student in classics when he does move there (therefore presumably too busy to take on such duties), and recently has demonstrated that he may not have the temperament for the post. On Maximus: Hoc est iter tritum; sicut antea, antiquo.
*GIC Q. Fabius Maximus
*LCSF Q. Fabius Maximus
*CFD Q. Fabius Maximus
*ECF ANTIQUO to both
*MLA Q. Fabius Maximus
*CFBM ANTIQUO to both
Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
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