--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL• SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@...> wrote:
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> Salvete omnes,
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> I also want to add my sincerest congratulations to M. Arminius Maior, a true
> Roman and, as L. Iulia Aquila just wrote, a man of dignitas.
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> Valete.
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> M•IVL•SEVERVS
> CONSVL•NOVƕROMÆ
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> SENATOR
> CONSVL•PROVINCIƕMEXICO
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> Salvete Consuls et Senator Caesar
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> I have tried to stay out of this discussion since the Consuls decided to ask members of my staff
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> and not me about who could and who could not stand for election.
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> It is the Consul responsibility to make sure a candidate is eligible according to the law. The law says I am to assist them in the effort but before that assistance can be given one needs to be asked.
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> No one has asked.
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> No matter what I say now 1/3 will see it as being right, correct, brilliant, accurate, exact, truthful, appropriate, suitable, acceptable, proper, etc
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> Another 1/3 will say it is political, incorrect, stupid, inaccurate, inexact, untruthful, inappropriate, unsuitable unacceptable, improper and just plain wrong.
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> The last 1/3 of Nova Romans will just roll their eyes and delete the posts as this is the crisis de jour of Nova Roma.
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> For what it is worth Modianus was my colleague last year and if elected he will be my colleague this year.
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> If that is not a consecutive term I do not know what is. The law is crystal clear on this point and given Nova Roman law that in and of it self is a miracle.
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> The letter and the sprit of the law requires a full two year break of before a former Censor can stand for election to the office. Some have said that given ancient Roman law and custom as a single censor I should step down. Aren't these same people strong supporters of Modianus and his second term even though the Ancient Romans outlawed second terms for Censors?
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> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: m.iul.severus.consul@...
> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:31:11 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Problem with Censor Candidate
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> Salve Senator Caesar,
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> Thank you very much, indeed. I was hoping that you will cite that law, because my colleague M. Curiatius Complutensis and I, studied it carefully before making a decision.
> The law says: The presiding magistrate (in this case, the Consul Maior) shall have the responsibility, et al...
> The Censors shall assist...
> Do you believe that such assistance is compelling for the presiding magistrate, who has the responsibility for the process?
> Moreover, what kind of assitance is to be requested from the Censor? Is it possible that the presiding magistrate decides, within his scope of responsibility, that he has found enough assitance from the Cohors Censoris, after consulting with the Rogators, who are invested by the law with the obligation to check the elegibility of the candidates?
> Still more, if Censor Ti. Galerius Paulinus thought that he had to be consulted, why didn't he say a single word to the Consuls?
> Maybe, just maybe, Consul Complutensis would have covered any angle re the elegibility of a candidate, by consulting with somebody else than his colleage and the Rogators. But I believe that he has all the imperium needed to make decisions according to his legal responsibility.
> I'll wait for your commentaries with sincere and constructive interest.
>
> Vale,
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> M•IVL•SEVERVS
> CONSVL•NOVƕROMÆ
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> SENATOR
> CONSVL•PROVINCIƕMEXICO
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> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
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> Thank you for the reply. Please find the text below.
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> Vale bene
> Cn. Iulius Caesar
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> Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum
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> Section 2.B
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> The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking all reasonable precautions to ensure that candidates for a vote hold whatever qualifications are required by law. The Censors shall assist in such efforts as to the best of their ability.
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a. To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against the actions of any other magistrate (with the exception of the dictator and the interrex), Senatus consulta, magisterial edicta, religious decreta, and leges passed by the comitia when the spirit and / or letter of this Constitution or legally-enacted edicta or decreta, Senatus Consulta or leges are being violated thereby; once a pronouncement of intercessio has been made, the other Tribunes may, at their discretion, state either their support for or their disagreement with that intercessio.

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> 7. Tribuni Plebis (Tribune of the Plebs). Five tribunes of the plebs shall be elected by the comitia plebis tributa to serve a term lasting one year. They must all be of the plebeian order, and shall have the following honors, powers, and obligations:
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> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: rory12001@...
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 03:16:18 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Problem with Censor Candidate
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> M. Hortensia Ti Galerio spd;
> so Modianus was your colleague last year and might be this year. Did you forget Laenas?
> Modianus is out of office now; he's not a magistrate. So I hate to break it to you, that's not consecutive.
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> "Letter and spirit of the law" *sigh*
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> Paulinus why are you and Cato constantly using cultural references that don't even come from Republican Rome? The 'letter and spirit of the law' isn't a Roman concept at all.
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> I wish you both would truly respect Nova Roma and the cultus deorum by learning our culture. You have 12 years of citizenship between you.
> valeas
> M. Hortensia Maior
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> - In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@> wrote:
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> > Salvete Consuls et Senator Caesar
> >
> >
> >
> > I have tried to stay out of this discussion since the Consuls decided to ask members of my staff
> >
> > and not me about who could and who could not stand for election.
> >
> >
> >
> > It is the Consul responsibility to make sure a candidate is eligible according to the law. The law says I am to assist them in the effort but before that assistance can be given one needs to be asked.
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> > No one has asked.
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> > No matter what I say now 1/3 will see it as being right, correct, brilliant, accurate, exact, truthful, appropriate, suitable, acceptable, proper, etc
> >
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> > Another 1/3 will say it is political, incorrect, stupid, inaccurate, inexact, untruthful, inappropriate, unsuitable unacceptable, improper and just plain wrong.
> >
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> > The last 1/3 of Nova Romans will just roll their eyes and delete the posts as this is the crisis de jour of Nova Roma.
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> > For what it is worth Modianus was my colleague last year and if elected he will be my colleague this year.
> >
> > If that is not a consecutive term I do not know what is. The law is crystal clear on this point and given Nova Roman law that in and of it self is a miracle.
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> > The letter and the sprit of the law requires a full two year break of before a former Censor can stand for election to the office. Some have said that given ancient Roman law and custom as a single censor I should step down. Aren't these same people strong supporters of Modianus and his second term even though the Ancient Romans outlawed second terms for Censors?
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> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > From: m.iul.severus.consul@
> > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:31:11 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Problem with Censor Candidate
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> > Salve Senator Caesar,
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> > Thank you very much, indeed. I was hoping that you will cite that law, because my colleague M. Curiatius Complutensis and I, studied it carefully before making a decision.
> > The law says: The presiding magistrate (in this case, the Consul Maior) shall have the responsibility, et al...
> > The Censors shall assist...
> > Do you believe that such assistance is compelling for the presiding magistrate, who has the responsibility for the process?
> > Moreover, what kind of assitance is to be requested from the Censor? Is it possible that the presiding magistrate decides, within his scope of responsibility, that he has found enough assitance from the Cohors Censoris, after consulting with the Rogators, who are invested by the law with the obligation to check the elegibility of the candidates?
> > Still more, if Censor Ti. Galerius Paulinus thought that he had to be consulted, why didn't he say a single word to the Consuls?
> > Maybe, just maybe, Consul Complutensis would have covered any angle re the elegibility of a candidate, by consulting with somebody else than his colleage and the Rogators. But I believe that he has all the imperium needed to make decisions according to his legal responsibility.
> > I'll wait for your commentaries with sincere and constructive interest.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > M•IVL•SEVERVS
> > CONSVL•NOVƕROMÆ
> >
> > SENATOR
> > CONSVL•PROVINCIƕMEXICO
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> > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@> wrote:
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> > Salve Consul.
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> > Thank you for the reply. Please find the text below.
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> > Vale bene
> > Cn. Iulius Caesar
> >
> > Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum
> >
> > Section 2.B
> >
> > The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking all reasonable precautions to ensure that candidates for a vote hold whatever qualifications are required by law. The Censors shall assist in such efforts as to the best of their ability.
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> > http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Fabia_de_ratione_comitiorum_centuriatorum_%28Nova_Roma%29
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> Salve Maior
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> How is a phrase written in our governing document not a part of Nova Roma?
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> "Are we going to spend another 10 days of election season parsing the word 'consecutive'? When people complain that Nova Roma accomplishes absolutely nothing, it's this kind of empty thing they are pointing to."
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> If upholding the law is an "empty thing" then it is well and good that we do not live together
> in a macro world community. Adherence to the law was one of the chief reasons the Roman Republic lasted for so long. It was when Tribunes violated the law and were then murdered for it
> that the fall of the republic began. The murder of a Tribune in and of itself being another assault on the rule of law. When an individual was elected Consul seven times the law took another hit and the speed of the fall accelerated. When you have extra constitutional appointments like those that Pompey Magnus received the republic took more hits.
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> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: rory12001@...
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 04:16:41 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Problem with Censor Candidate
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> Salvete Pauline et omnes;
> I was tribune in 2004 and now I know better; so should all of us long term citizens. Just because it's wrong doesn't mean it becomes part of Nova Roma.
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> Are we going to spend another 10 days of election season parsing the word 'consecutive'? When people complain that Nova Roma accomplishes absolutely nothing, it's this kind of empty thing they are pointing to.
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> Can't we turn our problems into productive discussions? You are the censor, Cato wants to be elected censor. The Censors in Rome were responsible for maintaining the regimem morum: traditional Roman character. So this really would be a superb opportunity to get some knowledge, productive discussion and understanding.
> bene valete in pacem deorum
> Marca Hortensia Maior
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> Right now I'm slaving over my Latin exam and checking the calendar to see if I can celebrate the Matralia (I have to find out if you have to be a mother to qualify)
> >
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> > We have both served as Tribunes and one of the attributes of pronouncing intercessio was if the "spirit and or the letter of this Constitution" or.....are being violated thereby...
> >
> >
> > So using the phrase the letter and sprit of the law is wholly Nova Roman.
> >
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> > Vale
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> > Paulinus
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> > 7. Tribuni Plebis (Tribune of the Plebs). Five tribunes of the plebs shall be elected by the comitia plebis tributa to serve a term lasting one year. They must all be of the plebeian order, and shall have the following honors, powers, and obligations:
> >
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> > a. To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against the actions of any other magistrate (with the exception of the dictator and the interrex), Senatus consulta, magisterial edicta, religious decreta, and leges passed by the comitia when the spirit and / or letter of this Constitution or legally-enacted edicta or decreta, Senatus Consulta or leges are being violated thereby; once a pronouncement of intercessio has been made, the other Tribunes may, at their discretion, state either their support for or their disagreement with that intercessio.
> >
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> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > From: rory12001@
> > Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 03:16:18 +0000
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Problem with Censor Candidate
> >
> >
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> >
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> > M. Hortensia Ti Galerio spd;
> > so Modianus was your colleague last year and might be this year. Did you forget Laenas?
> > Modianus is out of office now; he's not a magistrate. So I hate to break it to you, that's not consecutive.
> >
> > "Letter and spirit of the law" *sigh*
> >
> > Paulinus why are you and Cato constantly using cultural references that don't even come from Republican Rome? The 'letter and spirit of the law' isn't a Roman concept at all.
> >
> > I wish you both would truly respect Nova Roma and the cultus deorum by learning our culture. You have 12 years of citizenship between you.
> > valeas
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> >
> > - In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Salvete Consuls et Senator Caesar
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have tried to stay out of this discussion since the Consuls decided to ask members of my staff
> > >
> > > and not me about who could and who could not stand for election.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is the Consul responsibility to make sure a candidate is eligible according to the law. The law says I am to assist them in the effort but before that assistance can be given one needs to be asked.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No one has asked.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No matter what I say now 1/3 will see it as being right, correct, brilliant, accurate, exact, truthful, appropriate, suitable, acceptable, proper, etc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Another 1/3 will say it is political, incorrect, stupid, inaccurate, inexact, untruthful, inappropriate, unsuitable unacceptable, improper and just plain wrong.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The last 1/3 of Nova Romans will just roll their eyes and delete the posts as this is the crisis de jour of Nova Roma.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For what it is worth Modianus was my colleague last year and if elected he will be my colleague this year.
> > >
> > > If that is not a consecutive term I do not know what is. The law is crystal clear on this point and given Nova Roman law that in and of it self is a miracle.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The letter and the sprit of the law requires a full two year break of before a former Censor can stand for election to the office. Some have said that given ancient Roman law and custom as a single censor I should step down. Aren't these same people strong supporters of Modianus and his second term even though the Ancient Romans outlawed second terms for Censors?
> > >
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> > > Vale
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> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
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> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: m.iul.severus.consul@
> > > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:31:11 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Problem with Censor Candidate
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve Senator Caesar,
> > >
> > > Thank you very much, indeed. I was hoping that you will cite that law, because my colleague M. Curiatius Complutensis and I, studied it carefully before making a decision.
> > > The law says: The presiding magistrate (in this case, the Consul Maior) shall have the responsibility, et al...
> > > The Censors shall assist...
> > > Do you believe that such assistance is compelling for the presiding magistrate, who has the responsibility for the process?
> > > Moreover, what kind of assitance is to be requested from the Censor? Is it possible that the presiding magistrate decides, within his scope of responsibility, that he has found enough assitance from the Cohors Censoris, after consulting with the Rogators, who are invested by the law with the obligation to check the elegibility of the candidates?
> > > Still more, if Censor Ti. Galerius Paulinus thought that he had to be consulted, why didn't he say a single word to the Consuls?
> > > Maybe, just maybe, Consul Complutensis would have covered any angle re the elegibility of a candidate, by consulting with somebody else than his colleage and the Rogators. But I believe that he has all the imperium needed to make decisions according to his legal responsibility.
> > > I'll wait for your commentaries with sincere and constructive interest.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > M•IVL•SEVERVS
> > > CONSVL•NOVƕROMÆ
> > >
> > > SENATOR
> > > CONSVL•PROVINCIƕMEXICO
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
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> > > Salve Consul.
> > >
> > > Thank you for the reply. Please find the text below.
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale bene
> > > Cn. Iulius Caesar
> > >
> > > Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum
> > >
> > > Section 2.B
> > >
> > > The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking all reasonable precautions to ensure that candidates for a vote hold whatever qualifications are required by law. The Censors shall assist in such efforts as to the best of their ability.
> > >
> > > http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Fabia_de_ratione_comitiorum_centuriatorum_%28Nova_Roma%29
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> On either March 14 or May 14, a procession carrying argei took place around the shrines in Rome, probably counterwise. The procession included the Flamen Dialis, the Flaminica, the Vestal Virgins and the praetor urbanus. The procession culminated at the river Tiber, where 30 (or 27) effigies were thrown into the river by the Vestal Virgins from the Bridge of Sublicius. Known as the Drowning of the Dummies, it is said the Romans did not even know which deity was being honored or appeased in these rituals involving argei. The argei were bundles of rushes resembling people bound hand and foot. The rituals were an act of purification from all the evils of the year, which the argei personified.
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> Early this morning, I wove two argei using soft rushes. I made two hand-size figures, one male and one female. Using leftover rushes, I tied the hands and feet together. I laid the argei as near to the fire in our hearth as was safe and offered the figures to Vesta, asking her to purify all Nova Romans from all the evils of the year. Mola Salsa was thrown into the fire.
> There is no river nearby like at my old home. Now we live within walking distance of the ocean. With my two VestaI apprentices and one friend in tow, I walked to the ocean. I waded in up to my waist and after another supplication to Vesta, I tossed the two argei as far as I could. I waited on the beach for about an hour just to make sure the waves did not bring them back, but we never saw the argei again.
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> What we did see was a man walking up the beach to the edge of the waves just as we were leaving. Our friend noticed that the bag he was was holding was moving. She yelled out at him and he panicked, dropped the bag and ran away. My friend ran after him and got the license plate number of his truck. 
> Meanwhile, my apprentices and I went to see what was moving inside the bag. It was a shopping bag, the kind you get at the mall. The handles were tied together. We tore one end of the bag open and inside we found six tiny kittens.
> We took them immediately to our veterinarian, who told us they were about three weeks old and still needed to be nursed. Our friend reported the man to the SPCA and they are investigating. We are hoping that he might tell us where the kittens' mother is, but for now the kittens are being bottled fed.
> Our friend has decided to keep them. Since we found them after the argei ritual, she would like to give them Roman names and asked us for suggestions.
> Any suggestions? There are three male and three female kittens. Thank you.
>  
> Vale bene in pace Deorum,
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis 
>  
>
>
> "Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."
> "Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:

> "Letter and spirit of the law" *sigh*
>
> Paulinus why are you and Cato constantly using cultural references that don't even come from Republican Rome? The 'letter and spirit of the law' isn't a Roman concept at all.
>
> I wish you both would truly respect Nova Roma and the cultus deorum by learning our culture. You have 12 years of citizenship between you.
> valeas
> M. Hortensia Maior


Maior, maybe you should learn about Nova Roma and her culture and laws.

The tribunes are given the power

"To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against the actions of any other magistrate (with the exception of the dictator and the interrex), Senatus consulta, magisterial edicta, religious decreta, and leges passed by the comitia when the spirit and / or letter of this Constitution...are being violated thereby" (Const. NR IV.A.7.a)

Look at that. The concept of the "letter and / or spirit" is right there. In our Constitution - the highest legal authority we have in the Respublica.

Vale,

Cato

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:

There is a legitimate question about the eligibility of one candidate for Censor. If the use of the word consecutive is disturbing the progress of Nova Roma then have the candidate who is causing this problem quit the race and find another candidate. Or is the election of this individual more important than the Republic?
 
Vale
 
Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Salvete!
>
> Just to set the record straight: my candidacy does not belong to anyone but me. I am not beholden to anyone except you, the People of this Respublica, for whom I intend to use all the intellectual capability I have.
>
> Valete!
>
> Cato
>

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:36 AM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...> wrote:

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex Maximus, Magister Collegii Augurum, Flamen Carmentalis, Senator Consularius Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus: salutem plurimam dicit:

Iubeo bono animo esse.

There is only one capable and experienced candidate in the race for Censor suffectus. Pontifex Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus has served in this office before with distinction, as well as he has in his other offices, both sacerdotal and magisterial. The same cannot be said of his opponent.

There are diverse tasks assigned to the office of Censor. All of you have dealt with the office of Censor while joining Nova Roma. Likely you were in contact with one of the many scriba who serve in the cohors censorium. The office functions only with a capable staff. Modianus built such a staff to work with him in the office of Censor, carrying on the work begun by his predecessors to the office. His opponent, Cato, OTOH was rarely visible to the cohors of the Aediles, or to his colleague. It was T. Iulius Sabinus performed the duties of Aedilis Curulis that year, along with his staff, while Cato neglected his magisterial duties in pursuit of honors that did not belong to his office.

The purpose of the cursus honorum is to see whether an individual can and will perform well, directing a staff, dealling with issues critical to the functioning of our Res Publica Libera. Nova Roma is becoming more complex and needs experienced and capable magistrates. It does not need actors, posers, incompetents holding offices that are critical for our future.

Therefore I very strongly recommend that everyone vote for Caeso Modianus for the office of Censor suffectus, the only real candidate for this important office.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL• SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Senator Caesar,
>
> Thank you very much, indeed. I was hoping that you will cite that law,
> because my colleague M. Curiatius Complutensis and I, studied it

> Salve Consul.
>
> Oh, I suppose an extra point to consider is that recently we had a similar situation, or so it seems to me.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/62796

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
> M. Moravius Piscinus C. Equitio Catoni s. p. d.
>
> I have a problem with your statement here in light of your past performance as a magistrate.
>
> As Aedilis Curulis you mostly neglected your magisterial duties. The only thing of note from then was your attempt to usurp the authority of the consul. Oh, yes, and the three months you applied your "intellectual capability" to present a spurious charge against a Citizen and argued against the law that garanteed him the right not to be forced to testify. In the end you admitted to your incompetence in presenting your client's case.
>
> Then as praetor, I can't seem to remember anything you did while in office, except that you again tried to hold a session of the Senate when the consules were not exactly unavailable. And then it was for a single item, supercilious and roundly defeated.
>
> Where once I had endorsed your candidacy for the office of praetor experience has taught us that your "capability" is only something you like to pose on the lists, but that it is notably lacking when it comes to performing magisterial duties.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> >
> > Salvete!
> >
> > Just to set the record straight: my candidacy does not belong to anyone but me. I am not beholden to anyone except you, the People of this Respublica, for whom I intend to use all the intellectual capability I have.
> >
> > Valete!
> >
> > Cato
> >
>

>
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar" <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Consul.
>
> Oh, I suppose an extra point to consider is that recently we had a similar situation, or so it seems to me.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/62796
>
> Publius Constantinus Placidus had been Plebian Aedile last year. This year - with a gap between when he completed his term on 31st December and when he announced his candidacy on April 8th, he was unable to stand, because he would not be able to serve, under the same terms of the Lex Cornelia Iunia de definitione intervallorum magistratuum. That was because in there was no distinction made between Plebian Aedile and Curule Aedile.
>
> The point is he had a gap of three months. The argument that will no doubt be advanced is that there was no one in office as Curule Aedile, so there is the difference, except if you note his post he too recognises that it is the term that is the determining factor:
>
> "Contrary to what I stated in my latest message here, I wish to revoke and cancel my candidacy as Aedilis Plebis since I am now running for Curule Aedile. Indeed, according to the Lex Cornelia Iunia de definitione intervallorum magistratuum, I cannot hold the same office, or run for it, in two consecutive years."
>
> Note - "or run for it, in two consecutive years".
>
> The reason why he could not hold the same office at any time in two consecutive years is that the Aedileship is a one year term. Therefore at no time during that term could he hold that office, regardless of whether the position was occupied on January 1st to April to April 1st or whether it was empty.
>
> The situation seems exactly the same for Modianus. Whether the censorship was occupied or not prior to the call for candidates is irrelevant. It is the same term of 24 months from January 1st 2009 to December 31st 2010, and Modianus cannot hold the same office.
>
> Regardless of whether his name remains on the ballot or not, whether people vote him in as the majority candidate, it matters not. He cannot hold office, just as Placidus could not. It doesn't matter about Laenas sitting in the office for a few months, it is the TERM, that matters.
>
> Of course if he stands, is elected and serves in contravention of the same law that prevented Placidus from standing, every sing act that he does ex officio as Censor will also be illegal. The law does not say he can't stand for election, it says he cannot serve. Therefore regardless of whether he wins, the law says he cannot serve. Every appointment, or removal, or nota issued he makes collegiately will be made legally only by one Censor, and thus will be invalid and illegal where collegiate decisions are required by law. It will open up a huge can of worms potentially.
>
> The effect of the law on his powers and decisions would be ongoing - since the law says cannot serve that would taint every decision he made.
>
> Just a few points to consider: consistency in the application of the law as per Placidus and the future of the censorial decision making process.
>
> Vale bene
> Cn. Iulius Caesar
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL• SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Senator Caesar,
> >
> > Thank you very much, indeed. I was hoping that you will cite that law,
> > because my colleague M. Curiatius Complutensis and I, studied it
>

> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: iwn2000@...
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 04:55:37 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Drowning the Dummies & Saving the Kittens
>
> Arggh! That makes me crazy. What's wrong with people that they would drown little kittens? Thank (the) God(s) you were there.
>
> The first good Roman cat names that popped into mind:
>
> Felix (of course)
> Venus
> Apollo
> Diana
> Nero
> Hecate
> Vulcan
>
> Some others:
>
> Egyptian:
> Bast
> Mau
> Set
>
> Norse:
> Freya (the goddess was often depicted in a chariot pulled by cats)
> Thor
>
> Turkish:
> Aslan
>
> Shakespeare:
> Grimalkin (the witches' cat from Macbeth)
>
> Valete!
> M.Cor.Dexter
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, violetphearsen@... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Salvete,
> >  
> > On either March 14 or May 14, a procession carrying argei took place around the shrines in Rome, probably counterwise. The procession included the Flamen Dialis, the Flaminica, the Vestal Virgins and the praetor urbanus. The procession culminated at the river Tiber, where 30 (or 27) effigies were thrown into the river by the Vestal Virgins from the Bridge of Sublicius. Known as the Drowning of the Dummies, it is said the Romans did not even know which deity was being honored or appeased in these rituals involving argei. The argei were bundles of rushes resembling people bound hand and foot. The rituals were an act of purification from all the evils of the year, which the argei personified.
> >  
> >
> > Early this morning, I wove two argei using soft rushes. I made two hand-size figures, one male and one female. Using leftover rushes, I tied the hands and feet together. I laid the argei as near to the fire in our hearth as was safe and offered the figures to Vesta, asking her to purify all Nova Romans from all the evils of the year. Mola Salsa was thrown into the fire.
> > There is no river nearby like at my old home. Now we live within walking distance of the ocean. With my two VestaI apprentices and one friend in tow, I walked to the ocean. I waded in up to my waist and after another supplication to Vesta, I tossed the two argei as far as I could. I waited on the beach for about an hour just to make sure the waves did not bring them back, but we never saw the argei again.
> >  
> > What we did see was a man walking up the beach to the edge of the waves just as we were leaving. Our friend noticed that the bag he was was holding was moving. She yelled out at him and he panicked, dropped the bag and ran away. My friend ran after him and got the license plate number of his truck. 
> > Meanwhile, my apprentices and I went to see what was moving inside the bag. It was a shopping bag, the kind you get at the mall. The handles were tied together. We tore one end of the bag open and inside we found six tiny kittens.
> > We took them immediately to our veterinarian, who told us they were about three weeks old and still needed to be nursed. Our friend reported the man to the SPCA and they are investigating. We are hoping that he might tell us where the kittens' mother is, but for now the kittens are being bottled fed.
> > Our friend has decided to keep them. Since we found them after the argei ritual, she would like to give them Roman names and asked us for suggestions.
> > Any suggestions? There are three male and three female kittens. Thank you.
> >  
> > Vale bene in pace Deorum,
> >  
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis 
> >  
> >
> >
> > "Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."
> > "Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."
> >
>
>
>
>
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On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:37 PM, <violetphearsen@...> wrote:

We took them immediately to our veterinarian, who told us they were about three weeks old and still needed to be nursed. Our friend reported the man to the SPCA and they are investigating. We are hoping that he might tell us where the kittens' mother is, but for now the kittens are being bottled fed. Our friend has decided to keep them. Since we found them after the argei ritual, she would like to give them Roman names and asked us for suggestions. Any suggestions? There are three male and three female kittens. Thank you.   Vale bene in pace Deorum,   Maxima Valeria Messallina Sacerdos Vestalis

>
> Once gain, we do not live in ancient Rome; we live in a restoration of the Roman Respublica in the modern age.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
>
> > "Letter and spirit of the law" *sigh*
> >
> > Paulinus why are you and Cato constantly using cultural references that don't even come from Republican Rome? The 'letter and spirit of the law' isn't a Roman concept at all.
> >
> > I wish you both would truly respect Nova Roma and the cultus deorum by learning our culture. You have 12 years of citizenship between you.
> > valeas
> > M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
> Maior, maybe you should learn about Nova Roma and her culture and laws.
>
> The tribunes are given the power
>
> "To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against the actions of any other magistrate (with the exception of the dictator and the interrex), Senatus consulta, magisterial edicta, religious decreta, and leges passed by the comitia when the spirit and / or letter of this Constitution...are being violated thereby" (Const. NR IV.A.7.a)
>
> Look at that. The concept of the "letter and / or spirit" is right there. In our Constitution - the highest legal authority we have in the Respublica.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@...> wrote:

To those who do not love cats, it might seem silly. To those who love cats, it makes purrfect sense.   Vale bene in pace Deorum,   Maxima Valeria Messallina

> This is why Nova Roma accomplishes so little; You refuse to learn and dont do
> anything positive. All that business going to the Maine Attorney General was ridiculous

> ...and frankly traitorous.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@...> wrote:
>
> Oh what a great idea! Thank you. :)
> Perhaps Scholastica could now provide me with the proper translation? *Hint*Hint*
>  
> Vale bene in pace Deorum,
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, C. Maria Caeca <shoshanahathaway@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: C. Maria Caeca <shoshanahathaway@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Drowning the Dummies & Saving the Kittens
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:04 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salve et Salvete,
> Would it be impious to name one of the little girls Vesta's gift? In Latin,
> naturally! I, too, am so glad you were there! Best of luck with you
> little, blessed, magical kitties!
>
> Vale et Valete,
> . Maria Caeca, who would come begging for one, if that wouldn't get her
> evicted.
>

>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Maximae Valeriae Messallinae salutem dicit
>
> I had a beloved cat named Modius. He was a wonderful creature, and >died
> suddenly shortly after I joined Nova Roma. That was the motivation for me
> to found gens Modia in honor of my cat. That might seem silly to >some, but I truly loved that cat.

>
> Vale;
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:37 PM, <violetphearsen@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > We took them immediately to our veterinarian, who told us they were
> > about three weeks old and still needed to be nursed. Our friend reported the
> > man to the SPCA and they are investigating. We are hoping that he might tell
> > us where the kittens' mother is, but for now the kittens are being bottled
> > fed. Our friend has decided to keep them. Since we found them after the *
> > argei* ritual, she would like to give them Roman names and asked us for
> > suggestions.
> > Any suggestions? There are three male and three female kittens. Thank you.
> >
> > Vale bene in pace Deorum,
> >
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Cornelius Cicero" <Cicero@...> wrote:
>
> Considering all of this it is obvious that if he has the interests of NR at heart he would rescind his candidacy, and any of his supporters who care for the republic should encourage him to do so. Even if it was a gray area, which it's not, that would be the sensible and honourable thing to do.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar" <gn_iulius_caesar@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Consul.
> >
> > Oh, I suppose an extra point to consider is that recently we had a similar situation, or so it seems to me.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/62796
> >
> > Publius Constantinus Placidus had been Plebian Aedile last year. This year - with a gap between when he completed his term on 31st December and when he announced his candidacy on April 8th, he was unable to stand, because he would not be able to serve, under the same terms of the Lex Cornelia Iunia de definitione intervallorum magistratuum. That was because in there was no distinction made between Plebian Aedile and Curule Aedile.
> >
> > The point is he had a gap of three months. The argument that will no doubt be advanced is that there was no one in office as Curule Aedile, so there is the difference, except if you note his post he too recognises that it is the term that is the determining factor:
> >
> > "Contrary to what I stated in my latest message here, I wish to revoke and cancel my candidacy as Aedilis Plebis since I am now running for Curule Aedile. Indeed, according to the Lex Cornelia Iunia de definitione intervallorum magistratuum, I cannot hold the same office, or run for it, in two consecutive years."
> >
> > Note - "or run for it, in two consecutive years".
> >
> > The reason why he could not hold the same office at any time in two consecutive years is that the Aedileship is a one year term. Therefore at no time during that term could he hold that office, regardless of whether the position was occupied on January 1st to April to April 1st or whether it was empty.
> >
> > The situation seems exactly the same for Modianus. Whether the censorship was occupied or not prior to the call for candidates is irrelevant. It is the same term of 24 months from January 1st 2009 to December 31st 2010, and Modianus cannot hold the same office.
> >
> > Regardless of whether his name remains on the ballot or not, whether people vote him in as the majority candidate, it matters not. He cannot hold office, just as Placidus could not. It doesn't matter about Laenas sitting in the office for a few months, it is the TERM, that matters.
> >
> > Of course if he stands, is elected and serves in contravention of the same law that prevented Placidus from standing, every sing act that he does ex officio as Censor will also be illegal. The law does not say he can't stand for election, it says he cannot serve. Therefore regardless of whether he wins, the law says he cannot serve. Every appointment, or removal, or nota issued he makes collegiately will be made legally only by one Censor, and thus will be invalid and illegal where collegiate decisions are required by law. It will open up a huge can of worms potentially.
> >
> > The effect of the law on his powers and decisions would be ongoing - since the law says cannot serve that would taint every decision he made.
> >
> > Just a few points to consider: consistency in the application of the law as per Placidus and the future of the censorial decision making process.
> >
> > Vale bene
> > Cn. Iulius Caesar
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL• SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Senator Caesar,
> > >
> > > Thank you very much, indeed. I was hoping that you will cite that law,
> > > because my colleague M. Curiatius Complutensis and I, studied it
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Valerio Poplicolae quiritibus, sociis,
> > peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> >
> >
> > It doesn't matter that you inform the moderators or not. The you can leave the
> > main list and re-subscribe with the same email address and they will still put
> > you on moderation. Or at least, they did me.
> >
> > ATS: O Poplicola, no one PUT you on moderation. This occurs AUTOMATICALLY
> > under the group settings. New members, those with new addresses, and those
> > who leave and resubscribe, are put on moderation by Yahoo machinery and
> > whatnot.
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Caesar,
> >> >
> >> > You need to either make an apology or rephrase that statement.? M.
> >> Cornelius Felix has published on this list in the past?that he receives
> >> Social Security Disability Benefits due to psychological disorders.? This
> >> doesn't make him unstable.? M. Cornelius Felix is currently on moderation
> >> because he dropped his old email address and entered this forum again on
> >> 04/24/09 under a new email address.? If he had been wiser, he would have
> >> notified the praetores and censor beforehand to avoid being on the moderated
> >> list but he did not.
> >> >
> >> > I wish all you people would just start communicating privately with the
> >> appropriate officers rather than making these public?announcements without
> >> benefit of fact.
> >> >
> >> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@>
> >> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> > Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 6:26 pm
> >> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Hon. Coruncanius' posting status
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Salve Modiane.
> >> >
> >> > ?
> >> >
> >> > Apparently he is considered mentally unstable by some, including at least
> >> one fellow Senator. I think that after that startling?"psychiatric?diagnosis"
> >> this has led to some in the praetorial cohors determining that he needs to be
> >> "watched" and presumably vetted.
> >> >
> >> > ?
> >> >
> >> > Vale
> >> >
> >> > Caesar
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: David Kling
> >> >
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:16 PM
> >> >
> >> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> >
> >> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Hon. Coruncanius' posting status
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The only people who should be moderated are people who cause undo
> >> disruptions and unidentified people.? If someone is know then they shouldn't
> >> be moderated.? The edict should be changed.
> >> >
> >> > Regarding Felix.? Why is he on moderated status?? It might help for someone
> >> to correct his syntax before sending it to the list (Oh, dyslexic -- yeah I
> >> get it -- I'm dyslexic also and spell checker is my friend), but he doesn't
> >> need to be moderated.
> >> >
> >> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:

Salvete Quirites,

 

we the citizens will decide who will be the Censor Suffectus.

 

 

I have decided to vote for Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus . A man with honour, honesty, reliability and experience !

 

I call upon my friends to vote for Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

 

Valete bene

Titus Flavius Aquila

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:

Honor? You speak of honor? Modianus has no honor. Years of shameless backstabbing should have taught everyone that.

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:

Yes, I am well aware. But no one *took* me off moderation either. Not that I care. You really ought to read the whole conversation before jumping in making yourself look even more foolish.

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> Salvete all,
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> I have to say this could very well be one of the stupidest arguments I have ever heard in NR and there have been more stupid arguments here than I can count. 
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> If we don't want Modianus as Censor, then we don't vote for him. But the argument presented to keep him out of the election just doesn't work. All we are doing is proving once again that all we do is argue here, even if our intentions are noble. It's like none of us can even have a civil conversation anymore in the ML.
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> Valete,
> Diana
>

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> M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex Maximus, Magister Collegii Augurum, Flamen Carmentalis, Senator Consularius Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus: salutem plurimam dicit:
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> Iubeo bono animo esse.
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> There is only one capable and experienced candidate in the race for Censor suffectus. Pontifex Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus has served in this office before with distinction, as well as he has in his other offices, both sacerdotal and magisterial. The same cannot be said of his opponent.
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> There are diverse tasks assigned to the office of Censor. All of you have dealt with the office of Censor while joining Nova Roma. Likely you were in contact with one of the many scriba who serve in the cohors censorium. The office functions only with a capable staff. Modianus built such a staff to work with him in the office of Censor, carrying on the work begun by his predecessors to the office. His opponent, Cato, OTOH was rarely visible to the cohors of the Aediles, or to his colleague. It was T. Iulius Sabinus performed the duties of Aedilis Curulis that year, along with his staff, while Cato neglected his magisterial duties in pursuit of honors that did not belong to his office.
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> The purpose of the cursus honorum is to see whether an individual can and will perform well, directing a staff, dealling with issues critical to the functioning of our Res Publica Libera. Nova Roma is becoming more complex and needs experienced and capable magistrates. It does not need actors, posers, incompetents holding offices that are critical for our future.
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> Therefore I very strongly recommend that everyone vote for Caeso Modianus for the office of Censor suffectus, the only real candidate for this important office.
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> Salve Maxima Valeria Messallina,
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> You've done a great deed today by rescuing the kittens.
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> My mother always says not to trust anyone who dislikes cats and she may have
> a point....
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> Roman names for cats:
> I have 4 cats, one of whom just turned 15. Two cats adopted me 3 years ago.
> They decided that my backyard was a great place to live. They liked it so
> much that they had children. Ares is the father, Venus is the mother, and
> Cupid is their son. He has the biggest pinkest cat nose that I've ever seen
> and I think sometimes that I should have named him Rudolph.
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> Basically I just have cats all over the place especially when since they
> seem to invite 2 of their friends over for meals... I spend at least 250
> dollars a month on cat food.
> Valete,
> Diana
> (who can go on and on talking about her cats all day long)
>

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> T. Iulius Sabinus, pontifex, sacerdos Mercuri, proconsul Daciae: magistratibus, Senatui Populoque Novo Romano, civibus Novae Romae, quiritibus et peregrinibus: salutem plurimam dicit:
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> Today, the day of Mercuralia, I performed a sacrifice to Mercurius.
> I have worshiped Mercurius to obtain his benevolence, praying Him to be willingly propitious with us, to take care about our jobs, businesses and investments, travel safety and bless us with fortune.
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> This was the ritual:
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> Favéte linguís!
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> (Beginning of the sacrifice)
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> PRAEFATIO:
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> Mercuri,
> té hóc túre commovendó bonás precés precor,
> uti sies volens propitius Populó Novó Rómánó Quirítibus,
> mihi, domo, familiae!
>
> (Incense was placed in the focus of the altar.)
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> Mercuri,
> uti té túre commovendó bonás precés precátus sum,
> eiusdem reí ergó macté vínó inferió estó!"
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> (Libation of wine was made.)
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> PRECATIO:
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> Mercuri,
> Hisce Idibus Maiis té precor, quaesóque:
> uti Rem Publicam Populí Noví Rómání Quirítium
> confirmés, augeás, adiúvés;
> utíque divitiae, opes, fortunae Populí Noví Rómání Quirítium
> créscant et convaléscant;
> utíque sies volens propitius
> nóbis pontificibus, senatui populóque Novó Rómánó,
> consulibus, praetóribus, cénsóribus, aedílibus,
> quaestóribus, tribúnís plébis, omnibus cívibus,
> mihi, domo, familiae!
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> SACRIFICIUM:
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> Quárum rérum ergó macté
> hóc vínó libandó,
> hóc túre ommovendó
> estó fító volens propitius
> populó Novó Rómánó Quirítibus,
> nóbis, domibus, familiís!
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> (Libation of wine was made and incense was sacrificed)
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> Ílicet!
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> (End of the sacrifice)
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> PIACULUM:
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> Iáne,
> Mercuri,
> Iuppiter, Iúnó, Minerva,
> Concordia, Omnés Dí Immortálés:
> sí quid vóbis in hác caerimóniá displicuit,
> hóc vínó inferió veniam petó
> et vitium meum expió.
>
> (Libation of wine was made)
> ----------------------------
>
> The web address of the Aedes Mercuri is:
> http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/Temple-of-Mercurius.htm
>
> And here is a collection of prayers to Mercurius gathered from literary and epigraphic sources by our Pontifex Maximus, M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Prayers_to_Mercurius
>

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:20 PM, livia_plauta <livia.plauta@...> wrote:

Salvete omnes,

without being as categorical as our esteemed Pontifex Maximus, I have to say I mostly agree with him.

I don't really know about Cato's past performance, but I'm afraid someone who has resigned as a senator in afit of pique, then changed his mind, is not to be relied on to keep and hold an office. The last thing we need is someone else to resign in the middle of his term.

Also, as A. Tullia Scholastica, who has very longtime experience in the censorial cohors, noticed, the job of censor does require some particular skills.

Most of it is administrative routine: it involves welcoming new citizens, and maintaining the censorial database, the database that contains all data about citizens, par of which is visible as the Album Civium. This means keeping track of who paid taxes, changing people's status to assidui if they did, and to capite censi when they don't, keeping track of when each new citizen's provisional status expires, sending out tests, etc.

It's mostly drudgery work, and I have to congratulate Paulinus for being able to pull it off alone without problems.

Ome important part of the process of acceptance of new citizens is the evaluation (and advice) on roman names. People often come up with unlikely names,which are not correct according to latin naming practices. It takes diplomacy, and above all a very good command of Latin and latin naming practices, in order to advise new citizens on the name that would be best for them.

From this point of view the election of Cato would not bring any help to the censorial cohors, while if Modianus is elected, with his extensive experience in the office, he would definitely mean a relief to all the cohors.

Valete,
L. Livia Plauta
quaestrix consularis

>well, talking about cats may be off topic, but it's better than all the
>accusing and bickering that's been going on lately.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, canadaoccidentalis@... wrote:

Salve M.Cornelius Felix ;Tribunus Plebis Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa SPD

Not to pick nit's
But is the Senate meeting for 1 day or 30 , I ask as I read the following from your post
" The Senate shall be called into session on the second hour (08.30 hrs. CET) on Thursday 14 May 2762, with discussions to continue until approximately the end of the day (16.00 hrs CET) on Friday 15 April 2762"

Vale Marcus Cornelius Felix


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> Tribunus Plebis Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Quiritibus SPD
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> Salvete citizens
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> The auspicia having been taken by Augur K. Fabius Buteo Modianus, "Aves admittunt!".  Consul M. Iulius Severus has called the Senate to order.
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> The Senate shall be called into session on the second hour (08.30 hrs. CET) on Thursday 14 May 2762, with discussions to continue until approximately the end of the day (16.00 hrs CET) on Friday 15 April 2762. That is, hora secunda dies Jovis pr. Id. Mai. MMDCCLXII a.u.c  to the conclusion of hora duodecima dies Veneris Id. Mai. MMDCCLXII a.u.c.
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> Voting on the Agenda will then begin in the first hour at 07.30 hrs CET on Saturday 16 May 2762 and conclude at 16.00 hrs CET on Sunday 17 May 2762.
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> The sole agenda item is as follows:
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> Senatus Consultum Ultimum on the appointment of Diribitores suffecti
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> SENATVS CONSVLTVM VLTIMVM
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> A) Under the authority of Section V.E of the Nova Roman Constitution, the Senate authorizes the enactment of the Senatus consultum ultimum, specifically and solely to allow the Consuls, Marcus Iulius Severus and Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, under its terms, to override Sections II.D.1, II.D.2, IV.A, IV.B. IV.C and V. of the Lex Equitia de vigintisexviris,
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> B) The sole purpose of overriding those sections is in order to permit the appointment by the Consuls of Diribitores suffecti, whose identity and appointment shall be pre-approved by the Senate under Section J of this Senatus consultum ultimum.
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> C) The term of office of all the Diribitores suffecti shall end when the current elections, being held in May 2009, in the Comitia Populi Tributa, Comitia Plebis Tributa and Comitia Centuriata are concluded
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> D) Upon this Senatus consultum ultimum passing into effect, timed from the closing of the Senate voting session passing this Senatus consultum ultimum, the Consuls Marcus Iulius Severus and Marcus Curiatius Complutensis shall have no more than 24 (twenty four) hours to make these appointments, by means of Consular Edict. Should they fail to do so this Senatus consultum ultimum shall be deemed to be expired, to have no legal force, and all authority granted under its terms to be null and void.
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> E) The Consular Edict that authorizes the appointment of the Diribitores suffecti, issued within the time frame specified in Section D above, shall be deemed to be issued with, and be an extension of, this Senatus consultum ultimum. For this purpose the Consular Edict shall be deemed to have the same legal force under Section I.B of the Nova Roman Constitution as this Senatus consultum ultimum.
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> F) The Consular Edict shall contain no other action or matter, other than the appointment of the Diribitores suffecti, and should it contain any other action or attempt to affect any other matter, the legal force of this Senatus consultum ultimum shall be automatically and immediately withdrawn, and the Consular Edict be stripped of any enhanced authority and be treated as an ordinary Consular Edict under the terms of Section I.B of the Nova Roman Constitution.
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> G) So long as the Consuls comply with all the requirements under this Senatus consultum ultimum and the Consular Edict complies with all the limitations placed upon it in this Senatus consultum ultimum, that Consular Edict shall not be subject to intercessio or obstruction of any form whatsoever. All constitutional rights, and any and all rights under Nova Roman law, to pronounce intercessio, obnuntiatio and any other form of legal veto or obstruction are suspended in respect of the passage of the Consular Edict. Such rights are not affected, other than for the passage into legal effect of the Consular Edict. Such rights are also not affected in respect of the performance and/or actions of the Diribitores suffecti.
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> H) For the period of the elections as specified at Section C above the Diribitores suffecti shall have all the rights, powers and obligations of elected Diribitores, and be subject to the same legal requirements of the office they hold as a normally elected Diribitor. The Senatus consultum ultimum extends no extra rights, protection or powers to the Diribitores suffecti, nor does it indemnify them against any future legal action upon the expiration of their term of office.
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> I) This Senatus consultum ultimum shall cease to have effect once the elections specified under Section C above are concluded, or earlier under the terms of Sections D or F, whichever should occur first.
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> J) The approved Diribitores suffecti are:
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> i) Maxima Valeria Messallina
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> ii) Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
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> iii) Lucia Iulia Aquila
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> Quid de ea re fieri placet?
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> Valete
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> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> Tribunus Plebis
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