Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. May 21-22, 2009

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65659 From: M•IVL• SEVERVS Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65660 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65661 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65662 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65663 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65664 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65665 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65666 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65667 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65668 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65669 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65670 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65671 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: LInk to potentially offending informations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65672 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65673 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65674 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Wine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65675 From: violetphearsen@yahoo.com Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: The Cancer of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65676 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65677 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65678 From: Robert Levee Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65679 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65680 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65681 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65682 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65683 From: deciusiunius Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65684 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Wine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65685 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Sulla (Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65686 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65687 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65688 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65689 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65690 From: deciusiunius Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65691 From: Robert Levee Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65692 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: (Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65693 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: (Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65694 From: deciusiunius Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65695 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65696 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65697 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65698 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma continues to ooze
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65699 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65700 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65701 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma continues to ooze
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65702 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65703 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65704 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65705 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65706 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Modianus: legal and preferred candidate for Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65707 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Modianus: legal and preferred candidate for Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65708 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Censorial candidacy - legitimacy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65709 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65710 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65711 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65712 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65713 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65714 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65715 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65716 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65717 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65718 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: let's vote for our choice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65719 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65720 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65721 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65722 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65723 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65724 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65725 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65726 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65727 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Modianus: legal and preferred candidate for Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65728 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65729 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65730 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65731 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65732 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65733 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65734 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65735 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65736 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: consecutive
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65737 From: violetphearsen@yahoo.com Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65738 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65739 From: Steve Moore Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote for Modianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65740 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65741 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65742 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65743 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65744 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65745 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65746 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Big nose (was: something completely the same)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65747 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow night
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65748 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65749 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow nig
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65750 From: Robert Levee Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65751 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65752 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65753 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Modianus: legal and preferred candidate for Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65754 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65755 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65756 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65757 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nov
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65758 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65759 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65760 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65761 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Poetry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65762 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Censorial candidacy - legitimacy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65763 From: deciusiunius Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65764 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Censorial candidacy - legitimacy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65765 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Censorial candidacy - legitimacy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65766 From: D. Boyle Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65767 From: D. Boyle Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65768 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Censorial candidacy - legitimacy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65769 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Censorial candidacy - legitimacy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65770 From: Steve Moore Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65771 From: violetphearsen@yahoo.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65772 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow nig
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65773 From: violetphearsen@yahoo.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65774 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Latin achievement
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65775 From: Christer Edling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Anything but politics, still politics, but in a much more seriou
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65776 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow nig
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65777 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Poetry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65778 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65779 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65780 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65781 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65782 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow nig
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65783 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: a. d. XI Kalendas Iunias: Battle on the Granicus; death of Constanti
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65784 From: aerdensrw Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Anything but politics
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65785 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65786 From: aerdensrw Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65787 From: Steve Moore Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65788 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65789 From: Sondra Jacobs Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Help with trip to Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65790 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65791 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65792 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65793 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65794 From: D. Boyle Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65795 From: D. Boyle Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65796 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Help with trip to Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65797 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65798 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: In Memoriam this Memorial day weekend (OT?)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65799 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow nig
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65800 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65801 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Modianus: legal and preferred candidate for Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65802 From: aerdensrw Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65803 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65804 From: aerdensrw Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Latin achievement
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65805 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65806 From: Christer Edling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: consecutive
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65807 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Videos about Ancient Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65808 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: A Campaign video! IuliaÂ’s got Humor!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65809 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Latin achievement
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65810 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Candidacy - Opinion of Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65811 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65812 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: consecutive
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65813 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65814 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Videos about Ancient Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65815 From: D.O.A. Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65816 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Help with trip to Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65817 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: In Memoriam this Memorial day weekend (OT?)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65818 From: deciusiunius Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65819 From: l.coruncanius_cato@yahoo.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Curule Aedile edictum 62-12: Appointment of Scriba
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65820 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Curule Aedile edictum 62-12: Appointment of Scriba
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65821 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: NR Floralia updates
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65822 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Curule Aedile edictum 62-12: Appointment of Scriba
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65823 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65824 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: NR Floralia updates
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65825 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65826 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65827 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65828 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: More Nonsense.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65829 From: Roger Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65830 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy - Opinion of Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65831 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Classic Poetry, Prose, Proems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65833 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy - Opinion of Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65834 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Classic Poetry, Prose, Proems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65835 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: History of Rome Podcast



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65659 From: M•IVL• SEVERVS Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Salve Censor,
 
Well, thank you for informing the Quirites well after you had initiated some legal action. Meanwhile, you have been just attacking and trying to disqualify not only an individual candidate, but the magistrates who decided to allow his candidature, after a thorough reading and interpretation of the law.
Yes, interpretation: we the Consuls have imperium, in case that somebody has forgotten this.
 
Vale,
 
M•IVL•SEVERVS
CONSVL•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

SENATOR
CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:


Salve Consul
 
This the letter I sent to the Tribunes. I have received one response so far and I await the response of the other four.
 
Vale
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
 
***********************************************************************
Salvete Tribunes

I would like to inform you that in my opinion the law is being violated by the candidacy of an individual for Censor.  This individual has already served in this office and has not been out of office long enough to qualify for a second term.  The letter and the sprit of the law are clear, no one can serve as Censor in two consecutive terms.
 
Laenas was elected for the term January 1, 2762 through December 31, 2763. The person elected will finish this term, a term immediately after the term that one candidate has already served as Censor.
 
It seems that come hell or high water this candidacy is being protected by those who should be disqualifying it. Given this fact and the additional fact that the Censor, yes our sole Censor, was not included in the determination of his eligibility as the law requires I would be, if legally able, be placing a Nota on this individual which would have the effect of removing his ability to candidate and vote in this election. If imposed the Nota would also have had the effect of reducing him to the status of a capite censi making him ineligible for election as he is ineligible to serve.

The Consuls should apply the law correctly and remove this candidacy from the election. If it is that important to the future of the republic that this individual be elected Censor again then he can legally stand in a little less than one year and seven months.

I believe that this is important enough to have it as part of the public record that I would have acted, if legally permitted to do so, to prevent someone from serving as Censor when clearly they can not legally do so.
 
In the event that this person is elected Censor, even when he legally can not serve, what are my legal options in dealing with this situation.  And no resigning as Censor is not one of them.
 

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Censor

From: m.iul.severus.consul@...
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:37:57 -0700

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A candidacy of dubious legality.



Salve Censor,
 
If this is your official opinion, you should follow the due process of law.
We in Nova Roma have had enough with words that are not supported by facts and actions.
 
Vale,

M•IVL•SEVERVS
CONSVL•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

SENATOR
CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:


Salve Modianus
 
As usual the question asked is not the one that was answered. As Censor I have a legally prescribed role that the Rogatores do not. Once again the Consuls have failed to exercise due diligence in the exercise of their office.
 
Vale
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

From: tau.athanasios@...
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:13:49 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A candidacy of dubious legality.



Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

As censor it is not up to you to interpret law, that is why we have imperium bearing magistrates which you are not.  Checking qualifications, in this instance, is limited to such factors as eligible age, citizenship, etc...  Our current consules have worked in the censores office before I was censor before, and before you became censor now.  They are well aware of the office of censor and the duties invested.  That "The Censores shall assist in such efforts as to the best of their ability" does not mean you have some sort of "veto" power and can interpret the law as you see fit -- that is not a part of the office of censor.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:


Salve Coruncanius Cato
 
You said in part "The rogatores checked and approved his candidacy."
 
Can you please show me where in the law the rogatores are given this responsibility?
 
Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum populi tributorum (Nova Roma)
 
B. The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking all reasonable precautions to ensure that candidates for a vote hold whatever qualifications are required by law. The Censors shall assist in such efforts as to the best of their ability.
 
I am the SOLE Censor currently in office. I am in office according to Nova Roman law and I do not believe Modianus can serve legally as Censor as the term is the same one he could not have stood for in December.
 
His candidacy is of dubious legality. No check that.  It is out an out illegal.
 
Vale
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Censor 


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65660 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Salve Modianus
 
You are absolutely right I do not know as much about the job as I should. But it not for want of trying. It might be in part because my senior colleague did not take the time to teach his junior colleauge the ins and out of the office.
 
Vale
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

 



To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: tau.athanasios@...
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:41:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A candidacy of dubious legality.




Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

As usual you feel slighted for not being consulted.  The truth is you were not needed.  The law states "shall assist in such efforts to the best of their ability.."  The consules, having worked as censorial scribes for years didn't need your assistance nor did they need the assistance of rogatores.  If our consules are so incompetant, as you claim they are, why don't you dismiss them from YOUR cohores?  Advise them that you no longer need their assistance as scribae?  You don't because you know they are far more competant than yourself and you would be crippled without the work of Complutensus and Severus.

This has nothing to do with the law, and everything that do with the fact that you do not want me as your colleague.  Your latest attempt at senate appointments was considered illegal by the majority of tribunes, and yet the tribunes didn't consider my candidacy as illegal.  Seems that you have not been exercising due diligence in the exercise of your own office.  No wonder the consules didn't feel it necessary to consult with you.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn. com> wrote:


Salve Modianus
 
As usual the question asked is not the one that was answered. As Censor I have a legally prescribed role that the Rogatores do not. Once again the Consuls have failed to exercise due diligence in the exercise of their office.
 
Vale
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65661 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

Again, you seem to assume that you as censor have some ultimate authority to accept or reject candidates.  You do not.  Censores as custodians of the album civium have direct access to the database and can check a citizens citizen status, offices held, and age.  Some ages are not eligible for censor.  Someone 18, for example could not be elected censor.  Likewise, a probationary citizen could not be a candidate for censor.  Someone who has never held an office before could not be censor.  THESE are the criteria that you, as censor, would look for.  NOT interpreting the lex you keep mentioning -- that is the pervue of our imperium bearing magistrates who have the authority to "interpret the law."  The censorship does not have the perogative. 

Since both consules, as scribae of  yours, have access to the citizen database they did not NEED your assistance in determining eligibility.  They were capable of checking it themselves, and there is nothing that mandates you be contacted, but rather that you shall assist them.  If they do not need the assistance then you need not be bothered.

Go ahead.  Issue a nota against me, and watch whatever dignitas you have trampled upon.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:


Salve Consul
 
This the letter I sent to the Tribunes. I have received one response so far and I await the response of the other four.
 
Vale
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
 
***********************************************************************
Salvete Tribunes

I would like to inform you that in my opinion the law is being violated by the candidacy of an individual for Censor.  This individual has already served in this office and has not been out of office long enough to qualify for a second term.  The letter and the sprit of the law are clear, no one can serve as Censor in two consecutive terms.
 
Laenas was elected for the term January 1, 2762 through December 31, 2763. The person elected will finish this term, a term immediately after the term that one candidate has already served as Censor.
 
It seems that come hell or high water this candidacy is being protected by those who should be disqualifying it. Given this fact and the additional fact that the Censor, yes our sole Censor, was not included in the determination of his eligibility as the law requires I would be, if legally able, be placing a Nota on this individual which would have the effect of removing his ability to candidate and vote in this election. If imposed the Nota would also have had the effect of reducing him to the status of a capite censi making him ineligible for election as he is ineligible to serve.

The Consuls should apply the law correctly and remove this candidacy from the election. If it is that important to the future of the republic that this individual be elected Censor again then he can legally stand in a little less than one year and seven months.

I believe that this is important enough to have it as part of the public record that I would have acted, if legally permitted to do so, to prevent someone from serving as Censor when clearly they can not legally do so.
 
In the event that this person is elected Censor, even when he legally can not serve, what are my legal options in dealing with this situation.  And no resigning as Censor is not one of them.
 

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Censor




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65662 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
Caeso Fabius Buteo C. Petronio salutem dicit

Well said my friend.  Indeed, be more Roman and not afraid of nudity. 

Vale;

Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Gaius Petronius Dexter <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:


C. Petronius L. Sullae s.p.d.,



> But at least I have the dignitas and the judgement to not make an arse out of myself in public (azresident.mee.nu/warning).

You want to denounce shame or dishonour but this picture is not serious. It is certainly a trick and Modianus was kidding.

Be more Roman, do not be afraid by the nudity. ;o)

Vale.
C. Petronius Dexter

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65663 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Salve Pauline;
there was your colleague Laenas as well as plenty of ex-censors in Nova Roma to ask, as well as your own experienced cohors why didn't you ask for help. It is easy as that

And it seems Modianus never taught you to appoint new Senators which is against our leges; somehow you figured that out all by yourself.

You are a grown man, do not blame others for your faults.
bene vale in pacem deorum

Marca Hortensia Maior
>
>
> Salve Modianus
>
> You are absolutely right I do not know as much about the job as I should. But it not for want of trying. It might be in part because my senior colleague did not take the time to teach his junior colleauge the ins and out of the office.
>
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: tau.athanasios@...
> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:41:37 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A candidacy of dubious legality.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit
>
> As usual you feel slighted for not being consulted. The truth is you were not needed. The law states "shall assist in such efforts to the best of their ability.." The consules, having worked as censorial scribes for years didn't need your assistance nor did they need the assistance of rogatores. If our consules are so incompetant, as you claim they are, why don't you dismiss them from YOUR cohores? Advise them that you no longer need their assistance as scribae? You don't because you know they are far more competant than yourself and you would be crippled without the work of Complutensus and Severus.
>
> This has nothing to do with the law, and everything that do with the fact that you do not want me as your colleague. Your latest attempt at senate appointments was considered illegal by the majority of tribunes, and yet the tribunes didn't consider my candidacy as illegal. Seems that you have not been exercising due diligence in the exercise of your own office. No wonder the consules didn't feel it necessary to consult with you.
>
> Vale;
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salve Modianus
>
> As usual the question asked is not the one that was answered. As Censor I have a legally prescribed role that the Rogatores do not. Once again the Consuls have failed to exercise due diligence in the exercise of their office.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65664 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
And what exactly is the due process within NR? What recourse does the Censor have - WITHIN NR?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Vale,

Sulla


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M�IVL� SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Censor,
>
> If this is your official opinion, you should follow the due process of law.
> We in Nova Roma have had enough with words that are not supported by facts
> and actions.
>
> Vale,
>
> M�IVL�SEVERVS
> CONSVL�NOVƕROM�
>
> SENATOR
> CONSVL�PROVINCIƕMEXICO
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <
> spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salve Modianus
> >
> > As usual the question asked is not the one that was answered. As Censor I
> > have a legally prescribed role that the Rogatores do not. Once again the
> > Consuls have failed to exercise due diligence in the exercise of their
> > office.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > From: tau.athanasios@...
> > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:13:49 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A candidacy of dubious legality.
> >
> >
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit
> >
> > As censor it is not up to you to interpret law, that is why we have
> > imperium bearing magistrates which you are not. Checking qualifications, in
> > this instance, is limited to such factors as eligible age, citizenship,
> > etc... Our current consules have worked in the censores office before I was
> > censor before, and before you became censor now. They are well aware of the
> > office of censor and the duties invested. That "The Censores shall assist
> > in such efforts as to the best of their ability" does not mean you have some
> > sort of "veto" power and can interpret the law as you see fit -- that is not
> > a part of the office of censor.
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >
> > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <
> > spqr753@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve Coruncanius Cato
> >
> > You said in part "The rogatores checked and approved his candidacy."
> >
> > Can you please show me where in the law the rogatores are given this
> > responsibility?
> >
> > Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum populi tributorum (Nova Roma)
> >
> > B. The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking all
> > reasonable precautions to ensure that candidates for a vote hold whatever
> > qualifications are required by law.* The Censors shall assist in such
> > efforts as to the best of their ability. *
> >
> > I am the SOLE Censor currently in office. I am in office according to Nova
> > Roman law and I do not believe Modianus can serve legally as Censor as the
> > term is the same one he could not have stood for in December.
> >
> > His candidacy is of dubious legality. No check that. It is out an out
> > illegal.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > Censor
> >
> >
> > "Commodum ex iniuria sua nemo habere debet"
> >
> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65665 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
You are not an emperor. That does not mean you can simply walk all over the Constitution. Oh an inconvenient law - let's just ignore it, we have Imperium.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M�IVL� SEVERVS <m.iul.severus.consul@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Censor,
>
> Well, thank you for informing the Quirites well after you had initiated some
> legal action. Meanwhile, you have been just attacking and trying to
> disqualify not only an individual candidate, but the magistrates who decided
> to allow his candidature, after a thorough reading and interpretation of the
> law.
> Yes, interpretation: we the Consuls have imperium, in case that somebody has
> forgotten this.
>
> Vale,
>
> M�IVL�SEVERVS
> CONSVL�NOVƕROM�
>
> SENATOR
> CONSVL�PROVINCIƕMEXICO
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <
> spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salve Consul
> >
> > This the letter I sent to the Tribunes. I have received one response so far
> > and I await the response of the other four.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
> > ***********************************************************************
> > Salvete Tribunes
> >
> > I would like to inform you that in my opinion the law is being violated by
> > the candidacy of an individual for Censor. This individual has already
> > served in this office and has not been out of office long enough to
> > qualify for a second term. The letter and the sprit of the law are clear,
> > no one can serve as Censor in two consecutive terms.
> >
> > Laenas was elected for the term January 1, 2762 through December 31, 2763.
> > The person elected will finish this term, a term immediately after the term
> > that one candidate has already served as Censor.
> >
> > It seems that come hell or high water this candidacy is being protected by
> > those who should be disqualifying it. Given this fact and the additional
> > fact that the Censor, yes our sole Censor, was not included in the
> > determination of his eligibility as the law requires I would be, if legally
> > able, be placing a Nota on this individual which would have the effect of
> > removing his ability to candidate and vote in this election. If imposed the
> > Nota would also have had the effect of reducing him to the status of a
> > capite censi making him ineligible for election as he is ineligible to
> > serve.
> >
> > The Consuls should apply the law correctly and remove this candidacy from
> > the election. If it is that important to the future of the republic that
> > this individual be elected Censor again then he can legally stand in a
> > little less than one year and seven months.
> >
> > I believe that this is important enough to have it as part of the public
> > record that I would have acted, if legally permitted to do so, to
> > prevent someone from serving as Censor when clearly they can not legally do
> > so.
> >
> > In the event that this person is elected Censor, even when he legally can
> > not serve, what are my legal options in dealing with this situation. And no
> > resigning as Censor is not one of them.
> >
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > Censor
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > From: m.iul.severus.consul@...
> > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:37:57 -0700
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A candidacy of dubious legality.
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve Censor,
> >
> > If this is your official opinion, you should follow the due process of law.
> > We in Nova Roma have had enough with words that are not supported by facts
> > and actions.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > M�IVL�SEVERVS
> > CONSVL�NOVƕROM�
> >
> > SENATOR
> > CONSVL�PROVINCIƕMEXICO
> > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <
> > spqr753@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve Modianus
> >
> > As usual the question asked is not the one that was answered. As Censor I
> > have a legally prescribed role that the Rogatores do not. Once again the
> > Consuls have failed to exercise due diligence in the exercise of their
> > office.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > From: tau.athanasios@...
> > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:13:49 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A candidacy of dubious legality.
> >
> >
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit
> >
> > As censor it is not up to you to interpret law, that is why we have
> > imperium bearing magistrates which you are not. Checking qualifications, in
> > this instance, is limited to such factors as eligible age, citizenship,
> > etc... Our current consules have worked in the censores office before I was
> > censor before, and before you became censor now. They are well aware of the
> > office of censor and the duties invested. That "The Censores shall assist
> > in such efforts as to the best of their ability" does not mean you have some
> > sort of "veto" power and can interpret the law as you see fit -- that is not
> > a part of the office of censor.
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >
> > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <
> > spqr753@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve Coruncanius Cato
> >
> > You said in part "The rogatores checked and approved his candidacy."
> >
> > Can you please show me where in the law the rogatores are given this
> > responsibility?
> >
> > Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum populi tributorum (Nova Roma)
> >
> > B. The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking all
> > reasonable precautions to ensure that candidates for a vote hold whatever
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65666 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Hey, here's an idea.

Some people say that Modianus's candidacy is invalid - "consecutive" applies
to terms in office.

But others read the same rule a different way - "consecutive" applies to
people.

Both of these are reasonable and valid positions.

Perhaps y'all could.... VOTE on the matter?

If you think "consecutive" means terms (or you just hate Modianus) vote Cato.
If you think "consecutive" means people (or you just hate Cato) vote Modianus.

There! Problem solved! Let the most popular interpretation of the rule win.
You can stop arguing.

O.

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65667 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
> And what exactly is the due process within NR? What recourse does the Censor have - WITHIN NR?

Same as anyone else - convincing the Tribunes, within 72 hours. That didn't happen,
so it's too late to do much of anything about it now.

O.

--
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author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65668 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

Oh, don't start this pathetic "oh boo hoo" you didn't teach me crap.  I sent you an invite to my cohores early in your term, and you did not join it.  I was confronted by Marinus about this and I showed him the invite from the management tools on the list.  You were invited to join the list, but you didn't.  Now I'm sure you'll use the same excuse as you have in the past, "My computer ate it," or "I had a bad Internet connection," or "I'm not very good with computers."  How did I learn the ins and outs of the office?  I've worked as a scriba for more than one censor before becoming censor myself AND I listened to the counsel and advice of my own scribae who I inherited from my predecessors.  You would learn something if you could muster up an ounce of humility and LISTEN to the people you have in your cohort -- you know... those consules that you continue to disrepect.  No wonder you "don't know as much about the job as" you should, because you have alienated the people working for you!

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:


Salve Modianus
 
You are absolutely right I do not know as much about the job as I should. But it not for want of trying. It might be in part because my senior colleague did not take the time to teach his junior colleauge the ins and out of the office.
 
Vale
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65669 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
LOL!  Simply brilliant.  Well said Octavius.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:



Hey, here's an idea.

Some people say that Modianus's candidacy is invalid - "consecutive" applies
to terms in office.

But others read the same rule a different way - "consecutive" applies to
people.

Both of these are reasonable and valid positions.

Perhaps y'all could.... VOTE on the matter?

If you think "consecutive" means terms (or you just hate Modianus) vote Cato.
If you think "consecutive" means people (or you just hate Cato) vote Modianus.

There! Problem solved! Let the most popular interpretation of the rule win.
You can stop arguing.

O.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65670 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
So 4 of the 5 Tribunes failed to respond - yet they were quick to respond to the senate appointment edict. Are they in the pocket of the Consuls and Modianus? How much did he have to pay for them?

I know Aurelianus said Modianus is his BROTHER (here on the ML). So we know where his bread is buttered.

Well there is always a macronational recourse when Modianus does something stupid - which he has done in the past and is bound to do in the future. Then it will be entirely out of NR's hands but in the hands of legal professionals (who have the proper certification and degrees - hehe Maior).

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> > And what exactly is the due process within NR? What recourse does the Censor have - WITHIN NR?
>
> Same as anyone else - convincing the Tribunes, within 72 hours. That didn't happen,
> so it's too late to do much of anything about it now.
>
> O.
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65671 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: LInk to potentially offending informations
Praetor Memmius Albucius omnibus s.d.

Even if we all know that the political fight may be a no mercy fight, I will ask to avoid displaying in our forum links to external web pages which contain directly a potentially offending contents.

For you all information, the recent messages related to the external site which offers a yet unknown "side" of one of us have been removed: what could be accepted in a garrison tent or in a seige in front of the enemy has no place here, in Nova Roma public forum.

If you wish exchanging this kind of materials, please do it privately or in other non-public venues.

If you wish to reveal some aspects of a concerned civis, for example in the frame of a political/viting campaign, you will display general links, but keeping also in mind that, unless the concerned citizen has accepted that her/his non Roman identity and life be revealed - or has shown in her/his behavior in NR that (s)he has yet renounced to such a privacy, you would infringe one of our basic rules inside NR: to separate our Roman identity from our non-Roman one.

Thanks for your all understanding.


Valete omnes,


Albucius pr.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65672 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Salve Modianus
 
Bull Sh--
 
You never asked me to join your list.  Never. In fact I have an email in which you say you would invite me in in June or so and then you would start to take a back seat.
 
It never happened.
 
Vale
 
Paulinus
 

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: tau.athanasios@...
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:21:59 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A candidacy of dubious legality.



Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

Oh, don't start this pathetic "oh boo hoo" you didn't teach me crap.  I sent you an invite to my cohores early in your term, and you did not join it.  I was confronted by Marinus about this and I showed him the invite from the management tools on the list.  You were invited to join the list, but you didn't.  Now I'm sure you'll use the same excuse as you have in the past, "My computer ate it," or "I had a bad Internet connection," or "I'm not very good with computers."  How did I learn the ins and outs of the office?  I've worked as a scriba for more than one censor before becoming censor myself AND I listened to the counsel and advice of my own scribae who I inherited from my predecessors.  You would learn something if you could muster up an ounce of humility and LISTEN to the people you have in your cohort -- you know... those consules that you continue to disrepect.  No wonder you "don't know as much about the job as" you should, because you have alienated the people working for you!

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn. com> wrote:


Salve Modianus
 
You are absolutely right I do not know as much about the job as I should. But it not for want of trying. It might be in part because my senior colleague did not take the time to teach his junior colleauge the ins and out of the office.
 
Vale
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65673 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

Right back at you. 

Check the archives of the management features of the e-mail list.  It will be there clear as the blue sky outside (which by the way there is not a cloud in the sky).  I am no longer on the list; otherwise, I would show you myself.  But you can go and find out for yourself, and I will graciously accept your apology.

It did happen, but you will again (and again) lay blame someplace else instead of with yourself. 

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:


Salve Modianus
 
Bull Sh--
 
You never asked me to join your list.  Never. In fact I have an email in which you say you would invite me in in June or so and then you would start to take a back seat.
 
It never happened.
 
Vale


 
Paulinus



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65674 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Wine
I think I recall, but i'm not sure, that some of the wines or the grapes from Roman times are still in Spain. Any Spaniards here who know? If I remember correctly, they are associated with fortified wine production -- the sherry triangle.

--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...> wrote:

From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Wine
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 10:22 AM

--- El jue, 21/5/09, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria. venii@gmail. com> escribió:

>Eat hearty, drink deep, live well
Ita est!


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65675 From: violetphearsen@yahoo.com Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: The Cancer of Nova Roma
Do you not know what a metaphor is, Sulla? I shall explain it to you: "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance."
 
You do indeed resemble a creeping cancer eagerly tearing away at the very fabric of Nova Roma. By every word you write, you pollute the main list with vile and negativity. Your every act, or threatened action, creates a miasma of noxious fumes and the stench sickens all. Yes, like a cancer that once disappeared, you have returned again and your goal, it would seem, is to kill Nova Roma. Who else has threatened our Nova Roma with a lawsuit and parades email after email supposedly from an attorney general on this list, with no less an intention that to disband Nova Roma?
Sulla, you are a sad specimen of a man.
If you want to threaten me, insult me, make jokes at my expense, go right ahead. Please, continue to show all Nova Romans the true caliber of your person. Don't stop on my account.
 
Yes, Citizens, I am a Vestal and the Virgo Maxima, too. As such, I have sworn to always speak the truth and I have. This man engages in tactics of divisiveness, spewing animosity, displaying utter contemptuousness for any citizen, even the Virgo Maxima, for daring to tell the truth of what he really is. With his doublespeak, he tries to ensnare and mislead. Fortunately for us, the Gods know what he really is. You can pretend before men, Sulla, but Vesta knows the truth of my words.
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis
 


--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:33 AM

Better to be a cancer than a law breaker!

Better to be a cancer than a friend of a law breaker

Better to be a cancer than a friend to a neo-nazi and who appointed a neo-nazi to the Senate of Nova Roma!

Better to be a cancer than a panderer.

Better to be a cancer - than to show a complete lack of dignitas and judgement (azresident. mee.nu/warning) .

And, this ladies and gentlemen is our Vestal! Are you a medical professional that has personally diagnosed me with some type of cancer that my Dr. has missed? Or is this just an opinion?

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@ ...> wrote:
>
> I said it before and I will say it again - Sulla is a cancer on Nova Roma.
> �
> �
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>
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> --- On Thu, 5/21/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...> wrote:
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>
> From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:04 AM
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> The opinion of someone who quit NR for nearly five years with no communication.
> When he returned he posted numerous posts that were aggravating, insulting, and useless.
> The first person in the history of NR to begin a lawsuit when he did not get his way.
> Someone who contnues to use the threat of legal action to accomplish his goals; whatever the hell they are.
> Someone who doesn't contribute to the Sacra et Religio but feels he is qualified to criticize the members of the�CP.
> An empty wine sack full of fumes and dregs of better days.
> Put them all together it spells S-U-L-L-A, a word that means excrement to me.
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@yahoo. com>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:53 am
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
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> You know the answer to that, already.
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> Xtian pontiffs.
> near lawsuit before - most likely to happen again if Modianus because censor
> Declining NR organization.
> Magistrates and their subordinates who have no respect for the law
>
> Need I go on?
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Are you truly willing to join up with someone who has tried to create other
> > > organizations that competed and tried to subvert Nova Roma? If so, why?
> >
> > Uh, you yourself are *currently* involved in an effort to create another
> > organization that competes with Nova Roma.
> >
> > Not that there's anything wrong with that (I'm involved too, peripherally) .
> >
> > But how can you criticize someone else for doing a thing in the past while
> > you're doing exactly the same right now?
> >
> > O.
> >
> > --
> > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
> >
>
>
>
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> Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com!
>


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65676 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
LOL!!!!

How awesome is this! This is almost as good as making Aurelianus (virtually) vomit.

Let me educate you about me.

In my 37 years of life I have been very pleased with what I have accomplished. I have two Masters Degrees (MBA and Education). I have a Bachelors Degree in Political Science and a Paralegal's Degree.

Most of my 20s were spent in college.

Over 4 years ago I moved to AZ, in that time I went from having nothing of value, living with my sister, after my apartment break-ins and the death of my kitten. In a dramatic two years I bought a home, purchased the furnishings of my home AND spend $20k on my dream vacation to Israel.

I have positions of responsibility and authority in both of the jobs that I own. Comptroller of a construction company in Phoenix and a college professor. I am authorized to sign for contracts, waivers, accounting, payroll, benefits and am a notary public for the state of Arizona. I have passed checks and investigations. I have been the President of a conglomerate (Taurus Communications).

You might think I am a cancer, but I have been nominated for Who's Who in Phoenix. You might think I am a cancer, but I am responsible for running a multi-million dollar business. You might think I am a cancer, but I regularly teach 6-8 COLLEGE classes at a time.

In other words, to say it politely, your opinion means nothing. Especially compared to what I have accomplished in my life.

Now, Vestal, lets see your CV?

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, violetphearsen@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Do you not know what a metaphor is, Sulla? I shall explain it to you: "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance."
> �
> You do indeed�resemble a creeping cancer eagerly tearing away at the very fabric of Nova Roma. By every word you write, you pollute the main list with vile and negativity. Your every act, or threatened action, creates a miasma of noxious fumes and the stench sickens all. Yes, like a cancer that once disappeared, you have returned again and your goal, it would seem, is to kill Nova Roma. Who else has threatened our Nova Roma with a lawsuit and parades email after email supposedly from an attorney general on this list, with no less an intention that to disband Nova Roma?
> Sulla, you are a sad specimen of a man.
> If you want to threaten me, insult me, make jokes at my expense, go right ahead. Please, continue to show all Nova Romans the true caliber of your person. Don't stop on my account.
> �
> Yes, Citizens, I am a Vestal and the Virgo Maxima, too. As such, I have sworn to always speak the truth and I have. This man engages in tactics of divisiveness, spewing animosity, displaying utter contemptuousness for any citizen, even the Virgo Maxima, for daring to tell the truth of what he really is. With his doublespeak, he tries to ensnare and mislead. Fortunately for us,�the Gods know what he really�is. You can pretend before men, Sulla, but Vesta knows the truth of my words.
> �
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
> �
>
> --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:33 AM
>
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> Better to be a cancer than a law breaker!
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> Better to be a cancer than a friend of a law breaker
>
> Better to be a cancer than a friend to a neo-nazi and who appointed a neo-nazi to the Senate of Nova Roma!
>
> Better to be a cancer than a panderer.
>
> Better to be a cancer - than to show a complete lack of dignitas and judgement (azresident. mee.nu/warning) .
>
> And, this ladies and gentlemen is our Vestal! Are you a medical professional that has personally diagnosed me with some type of cancer that my Dr. has missed? Or is this just an opinion?
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > I said it before and I will say it again - Sulla is a cancer on Nova Roma.
> > �
> > �
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...>
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:04 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The opinion of someone who quit NR for nearly five years with no communication.
> > When he returned he posted numerous posts that were aggravating, insulting, and useless.
> > The first person in the history of NR to begin a lawsuit when he did not get his way.
> > Someone who contnues to use the threat of legal action to accomplish his goals; whatever the hell they are.
> > Someone who doesn't contribute to the Sacra et Religio but feels he is qualified to criticize the members of the�CP.
> > An empty wine sack full of fumes and dregs of better days.
> > Put them all together it spells S-U-L-L-A, a word that means excrement to me.
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@yahoo. com>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:53 am
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You know the answer to that, already.
> >
> > Xtian pontiffs.
> > near lawsuit before - most likely to happen again if Modianus because censor
> > Declining NR organization.
> > Magistrates and their subordinates who have no respect for the law
> >
> > Need I go on?
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Are you truly willing to join up with someone who has tried to create other
> > > > organizations that competed and tried to subvert Nova Roma? If so, why?
> > >
> > > Uh, you yourself are *currently* involved in an effort to create another
> > > organization that competes with Nova Roma.
> > >
> > > Not that there's anything wrong with that (I'm involved too, peripherally) .
> > >
> > > But how can you criticize someone else for doing a thing in the past while
> > > you're doing exactly the same right now?
> > >
> > > O.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com!
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65677 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Salve Modianus
 
There are three lists used by the Censors. 
 
I became a member of one over ten month into my term and a second one only after you left office.
 
The one list you did add me to was not YOUR list that you said you invited me to.
This was the list I have used as my staff list.
 
 
Jan 3, 2008 9:55 am

tiberiusgaleriuspau linus spqr753@msn. com
 
 
 

Membership request approved by athanasiosofspfd <tau.athanasios@
gmail.com>
 
 
 
 
On YOUR list you made my colleague owner of it not me
 
Jan 7, 2009 5:35 pm gaiuspopilliuslaena s <gaiuspopillius@ gmail.com> Made owner by athanasiosofspfd tau.athanasios@ gmail.com

 
I became a member of it here
Feb 25, 2009 12:03 am tiberiusgaleriuspau linus <spqr753@msn. com> Membership request approved by gaiuspopilliuslaena s gaiuspopillius@ gmail.com

 
This was  the Censors list that has been handed down to each Censor for years but you did not do that, did you?

 Edit (Changed name: Cohors_Censoris_ GFBM -> Cohors_Censoris) by equitius_marinus gawne@cesmail. net Jan 9, 2009 6:48 pm
 
 
Vale
 
Paulinus
 
 


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: tau.athanasios@...
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:43:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A candidacy of dubious legality.




Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

Right back at you. 

Check the archives of the management features of the e-mail list.  It will be there clear as the blue sky outside (which by the way there is not a cloud in the sky).  I am no longer on the list; otherwise, I would show you myself.  But you can go and find out for yourself, and I will graciously accept your apology.

It did happen, but you will again (and again) lay blame someplace else instead of with yourself. 

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn. com> wrote:


Salve Modianus
 
Bull Sh--
 
You never asked me to join your list.  Never. In fact I have an email in which you say you would invite me in in June or so and then you would start to take a back seat.
 
It never happened.
 
Vale


 
Paulinus




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65678 From: Robert Levee Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Candidacy!
Salve et salvete,As I watch this debate I cannot help to be drawn into it.In my opinion as it now stands,I feel that Tiberius Galerius Paulinas, has made a valid argument to support his position.After reviewing what the leges has to say on this matter, I would like to bring what I base my support of his positon upon.

This law shall regulate the amount of times a person may hold certain elected magistracies during a specified time period.

1. No person shall hold the office of censor consecutively or more than twice in a five-year period. This exception to this provision shall be any censor suffectus who has served 6 months or less of his predecessor's term of office.
2. No person shall hold the office of consul for two years consecutively, or hold the office of consul more than twice in any five-year period.
3. No person shall hold the office of praetor or aedile consecutively, or hold any of the aforementioned offices more than twice in any five-year period. The exception to this shall be any praetor suffectus or aedile suffectus who has served 3 months or less of his predecessor's term of office.
Passed by Comitia Populi Tributa yes: 30; No: 4
Retrieved from "http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Cornelia_Iunia_de_definitione_intervallorum_magistratuum_%28Nova_Roma%29"
Category: Leges (Nova Roma)

After having stated this, I wonder if Imperium does in fact, trump the law.
I have not been asked to take action on his behalf,but if asked this would be my opinion,one of complete support of his contention.

Vale et valete,
Ap.Galerius Aurelianus
Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65679 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
Salvéte omnes,

Commentary on Sulla

Senator Sulla demonstrates a glibness and superficial charm but more and more Nova Roma citizens are recognizing it, and as evidenced on the ML, our fellow citizens are voicing their negative opinions of Sulla.
Sulla has also demonstrated on the ML manipulative and conning behavior time after time on the ML. He demonstrates a failure to recognize the needs of others and appears to believe his self serving behaviors are acceptable. Sulla tries to convey a charming outward experience but it soon is discovered that under that friable veneer he further demonstrates ranting and raving hostility in what appears to be an attempt at a very domineering demeanor in an effort to humiliate his targets.
Sulla may also assert that this particular commentary is a rant but in reality it is composed – as a methodical assessment and with a stoic mien. Of course those, such as Sulla, who are given to extreme outbursts and ranting, raving manic behavior usually read others comments in this way indicating the lack of impulse and behavioral controls which colors their own comments. Sulla behavior demonstrates that he believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, and has little sense of personal boundaries and no concern for his impact on others.
Sulla demonstrates on the ML what appears to be a grandiose sense of self, he appears to believe his long time, spotty and questionable association with Nova Roma entitles him to certain privileges as his *right* above and over any other citizens. For example the right to impinge on others rights with his constant spewing of spin and deception in order to halt the progress of our respublica.
Sulla is always looking back or looking to destroy rather than looking to the future and the progress and success of Nova Roma and her citizens.
Sulla also demonstrates on the ML the ability to alter the truth to his own machinations; this may be perceived as lying. Sulla demonstrates that he has created and has gotten caught up in what appears to be a complex belief about his own powers and abilities.
Sulla has also demonstrated on the ML what appears to be an inability to show any remorse, shame or guilt. As evidenced on the ML he sees others who disagree with him, make comments about his behavior or dare to question him as targets and opportunities to ply his trade of malicious intent. From what is also evidenced on the MLs his so-called friends, or accomplices, often becomes his victims. But then Sulla has stated in the Back Alley that net friendships are not like *real* friendships. Sulla has demonstrated that the end justifies the means and he will let nothing and no one, not even the Respublica, stand in his way.
Sulla has said he wants to take down Nova Roma and even now threatens with another lawsuit to achieve his malicious agenda twisting and turning the law to his own benefit. Sulla himself in the Back Alley recently announced that all warfare is deception. That is a clear view into his motives and personality and I wonder if he is gleefully looking towards the Civil War he mentioned. He wants Nova Roma, and her citizens, to suffer the consequences; *his* consequences.
Sulla demonstrates any emotions he appears to have are shallow and feigned and serves an ulterior and malicious motive. Sulla also demonstrates callousness and a lack of empathy. Sulla demonstrates an unusual need for stimulation with his verbal outbursts, provocations and the need to be "heard"; the need for attention. It appears that Sulla uses his money to make friends (brags about paying others taxes) and hires Attorneys using these *assets* to fight the battles he stokes the fire under so he will not expose himself to any personal confrontation.
The truly funny thing is Sulla calls others crude and disparaging names, giving honored citizens disrespectful nicknames when really he is the one worthy of such which, for ascribed to him, are truths.
This strongly indicates the kind of person Sulla is and that, my fellow citizens, is not a nice picture.
Everything I say here can be demonstrated and found in the various Nova Roma mailing lists and in the Back Alley, look it up if you have a shadow of a doubt.
All the above may make him a very good Role Player and also fits the description of a parasitic Troll, but not a citizen who I would trust to represent me in Nova Roma's Senate or anywhere for that matter.

Cúráte ut valéatis atque di vos incolumes custodiant.

L. Julia Aquila



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> LOL!!!!
>
> How awesome is this! This is almost as good as making Aurelianus (virtually) vomit.
>
> Let me educate you about me.
>
> In my 37 years of life I have been very pleased with what I have accomplished. I have two Masters Degrees (MBA and Education). I have a Bachelors Degree in Political Science and a Paralegal's Degree.
>
> Most of my 20s were spent in college.
>
> Over 4 years ago I moved to AZ, in that time I went from having nothing of value, living with my sister, after my apartment break-ins and the death of my kitten. In a dramatic two years I bought a home, purchased the furnishings of my home AND spend $20k on my dream vacation to Israel.
>
> I have positions of responsibility and authority in both of the jobs that I own. Comptroller of a construction company in Phoenix and a college professor. I am authorized to sign for contracts, waivers, accounting, payroll, benefits and am a notary public for the state of Arizona. I have passed checks and investigations. I have been the President of a conglomerate (Taurus Communications).
>
> You might think I am a cancer, but I have been nominated for Who's Who in Phoenix. You might think I am a cancer, but I am responsible for running a multi-million dollar business. You might think I am a cancer, but I regularly teach 6-8 COLLEGE classes at a time.
>
> In other words, to say it politely, your opinion means nothing. Especially compared to what I have accomplished in my life.
>
> Now, Vestal, lets see your CV?
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, violetphearsen@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you not know what a metaphor is, Sulla? I shall explain it to you: "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance."
> > �
> > You do indeed�resemble a creeping cancer eagerly tearing away at the very fabric of Nova Roma. By every word you write, you pollute the main list with vile and negativity. Your every act, or threatened action, creates a miasma of noxious fumes and the stench sickens all. Yes, like a cancer that once disappeared, you have returned again and your goal, it would seem, is to kill Nova Roma. Who else has threatened our Nova Roma with a lawsuit and parades email after email supposedly from an attorney general on this list, with no less an intention that to disband Nova Roma?
> > Sulla, you are a sad specimen of a man.
> > If you want to threaten me, insult me, make jokes at my expense, go right ahead. Please, continue to show all Nova Romans the true caliber of your person. Don't stop on my account.
> > �
> > Yes, Citizens, I am a Vestal and the Virgo Maxima, too. As such, I have sworn to always speak the truth and I have. This man engages in tactics of divisiveness, spewing animosity, displaying utter contemptuousness for any citizen, even the Virgo Maxima, for daring to tell the truth of what he really is. With his doublespeak, he tries to ensnare and mislead. Fortunately for us,�the Gods know what he really�is. You can pretend before men, Sulla, but Vesta knows the truth of my words.
> > �
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > �
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:33 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Better to be a cancer than a law breaker!
> >
> > Better to be a cancer than a friend of a law breaker
> >
> > Better to be a cancer than a friend to a neo-nazi and who appointed a neo-nazi to the Senate of Nova Roma!
> >
> > Better to be a cancer than a panderer.
> >
> > Better to be a cancer - than to show a complete lack of dignitas and judgement (azresident. mee.nu/warning) .
> >
> > And, this ladies and gentlemen is our Vestal! Are you a medical professional that has personally diagnosed me with some type of cancer that my Dr. has missed? Or is this just an opinion?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I said it before and I will say it again - Sulla is a cancer on Nova Roma.
> > > �
> > > �
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:04 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The opinion of someone who quit NR for nearly five years with no communication.
> > > When he returned he posted numerous posts that were aggravating, insulting, and useless.
> > > The first person in the history of NR to begin a lawsuit when he did not get his way.
> > > Someone who contnues to use the threat of legal action to accomplish his goals; whatever the hell they are.
> > > Someone who doesn't contribute to the Sacra et Religio but feels he is qualified to criticize the members of the�CP.
> > > An empty wine sack full of fumes and dregs of better days.
> > > Put them all together it spells S-U-L-L-A, a word that means excrement to me.
> > >
> > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@yahoo. com>
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:53 am
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You know the answer to that, already.
> > >
> > > Xtian pontiffs.
> > > near lawsuit before - most likely to happen again if Modianus because censor
> > > Declining NR organization.
> > > Magistrates and their subordinates who have no respect for the law
> > >
> > > Need I go on?
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Are you truly willing to join up with someone who has tried to create other
> > > > > organizations that competed and tried to subvert Nova Roma? If so, why?
> > > >
> > > > Uh, you yourself are *currently* involved in an effort to create another
> > > > organization that competes with Nova Roma.
> > > >
> > > > Not that there's anything wrong with that (I'm involved too, peripherally) .
> > > >
> > > > But how can you criticize someone else for doing a thing in the past while
> > > > you're doing exactly the same right now?
> > > >
> > > > O.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> > > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com!
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65680 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
Caesar Modiano SPD.

Mud you say? well then Modiane, it is mud of your own making and devising which you happily wallowed in. If the mud is flying when your recollections of events are countered with a statement of the facts concerning your departure from the Boni, then you only have yourself to blame. You drove the way you left the Boni, no one else. Those events of 2004 do serve one relevant current purpose today. They illustrate what you are capable of and what lengths you are prepared to go to advance yourself and your interests.

I note that you are again trotting out your favoured sentiment of "What I can do is learn from the mistakes I have made and try to become a better person". That one statement encapsulates why your past actions are important as they form a consistent trail of a behavioural pattern from then to now.

Whenever your back is to the wall, or as you say you have "been under some substantial fire", you hold up your hands, confess your mistakes, engage in a public confession of your errors, receive the absolution of your friends and allies in the form of public endorsements, leave that public confessional and proceed to repeat the same pattern of behaviour all over again. Then, some time later when it suits you to appear contrite or you are caught with your pants down, back into the public confessional you will step, to once again plead your case that you are trying ever so hard to overcome your nature. The whole cycle repeats itself over and over.

It is easy for you to say now you regret your actions over Cincinnatus. Of course you do, as firstly you achieved your ends. He effectively left Nova Roma. Why not appear to regret your actions, doesn't it make you look so noble? How necessary too to express regret, for Octavius roundly condemned the trials you helped engineer to oust Cincinantus. You knew that he felt that way prior to your most recent reconciliation with him. How much more convincing and durable a reconciliation it would be if you once again enter the public confessional box and plead mea culpa. It is easy to hold your hands up cry "pax" and regret your actions, when the object of your bile filled rantings of last year has been effectively driven out of Nova Roma through a series of abuses of the legal system that you signed onto and assisted in executing.

This is of course the same legal system that clearly meant little to you when you tried to force Vedius into the CP when you were Consul, and the same legal system that will now be compromised as you present latest tour de force of legal ineptitude. You insist on running for Censor, and whilst you sit chortling about Octavius' solution as being to simply vote for the candidates to determine the resolution to this, you have either deliberately missed the ramifications of this, because you either have a proven inability to grasp the law, or in this case - far more likely - you just don't care.

Just try for once not to concentrate on your own self and look ahead a little Modiane. The law states that no one may hold the office of Censor for consecutive terms. You and your gaggle of legal advisors think that the period Laenas was in the censorial seat frees you to run again. There exists a difference of opinion. Placidus was required to step down in similar circumstances. You have not been so required. A precedent was set and has now been ignored in your case. This dual standard will be cited in the future. I believe your ignoring this is simply due to you and your backers caring more about defeating Cato than the consequences of your short-term self-serving actions.

Since doubt exists over your right to HOLD OFFICE, forget being elected for the moment, EVERYTHING you do if elected will be open to legal challenge. Every citizen you approve who then in later years runs for office could be challenged on the grounds that he isn't a citizen, as an imposter authorized his grant of citizenship. Every collegiate action you would take would also be open to challenge, for if you cannot hold the office of Censor, as the law says you cannot, then every nota, or Senatorial appointment or removal, will be open to challenge. You will create the potential for legal challenges for years to come. Forget the fact that I think that all you have achieved in Nova Roma was either gifted to you by other people and that your own inherent qualities for this position circulates just above the baseboard level of the floor, and concentrate on the potential mess you are about to create. It doesn't matter ultimately who is right or wrong, the very fact that doubt exists is enough to cripple your decision making, to taint it, and to taint everyone touched by your censorial decision making.

There, now you have thought about it you can carry on blithly as before, serving your own ends without a qualm in world, for clearly if you thought of the potential chaos you are creating by continuing to pursue your desire for an illegal second term and really had a sense of duty to anything other than the growing list of titles under your name in the Album Civium, you would step down. Winning however is more important isn't though Modiane?

This time, this latest example of your law breaking, and the doubt and division over the legality of your consecutive term in office will potentially create problems for many other people. The very fact that your tenure was considered by some to be illegal will open the doors to others in years to come to challenges over their positions, but don't worry about that - you can rack up a few more CP points and jam that censorial Pointy Hat on your head again.

I am sure we can expect if you do win and do serve illegally, that you will appear once more here in 2001 to take public confession of your errors and state "What I can do is learn from the mistakes I have made and try to become a better person".

The problem is for Nova Roma, - you never do learn.


Optime Vale
Cn. Iulius Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Decio Iunio Palladio salutem dicit
>
> Oh, of course I've made errors. I think every magistrate in Nova Roma has
> made errors, we're all human and not a single one among us is perfect. I
> would be a fool to assert that I'm without fault, or that I'm perfect. I
> even acknowledged a couple of weeks ago that I would likely have handled the
> Cincinnatus situation differently -- do recall some of the discussions I
> have with Octavius on this e-mail list; however, I cannot go back and change
> the past. What is done is done. What I can do is learn from the mistakes I
> have made and try to become a better person.
>
> And no. I do not suffer from a martyr complex, nor am I hoping for
> persectution. Keep in mind that I have been under some substantial fire
> recently (ie., Sulla, Caesar, et al). My response to you was my way of
> saying that I am doing my best to not get too upset with all the mud flying
> around, and trying to remain stoic in my disposition. It is obvious to me
> that not everyone in Nova Roma is my friend, and I acknowledge that while
> still trying to do the best I can.
>
> Vale;
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65681 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Cato Fabio Modiano sal.

Salve!

Fabius Modianus, I'd just point out that the law in question does not say "shall assist...*if the consuls find it necessary*."

Nor does the law say the censors "*may* assist...".

Nor does the law give the rogatores the authority to stand in for the censors.

It says "The Censors shall assist in such efforts as to the best of their ability."

"Shall" means "used in laws, regulations, or directives to express what is mandatory; (in laws, directives, etc.) must; is or are obliged to"

And obviously the consuls needed help or they would not have waited for the rogatores' "decision" to announce the candidates' eligibility.

Vale!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65682 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Cato Octavio sal.

Salve!

"Hate" is such a very strong word. Can people substitute "dislike intensely" or "loathe" instead?

Vale!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey, here's an idea.
>
> Some people say that Modianus's candidacy is invalid - "consecutive" applies
> to terms in office.
>
> But others read the same rule a different way - "consecutive" applies to
> people.
>
> Both of these are reasonable and valid positions.
>
> Perhaps y'all could.... VOTE on the matter?
>
> If you think "consecutive" means terms (or you just hate Modianus) vote Cato.
> If you think "consecutive" means people (or you just hate Cato) vote Modianus.
>
> There! Problem solved! Let the most popular interpretation of the rule win.
> You can stop arguing.
>
> O.
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65683 From: deciusiunius Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey, here's an idea.
>
> Some people say that Modianus's candidacy is invalid - "consecutive" applies
> to terms in office.
>
> But others read the same rule a different way - "consecutive" applies to
> people.
>
> Both of these are reasonable and valid positions.
>
> Perhaps y'all could.... VOTE on the matter?

That wouldn't necessarily solve the legal question of course. As author of the law I can see in retrospect the ambiguity of the language causing people to think it refers to just the person, when in fact it is meant to prevent consecutive terms. It is a reasonable, if incorrect interpretation.


> If you think "consecutive" means terms (or you just hate Modianus) vote Cato.
> If you think "consecutive" means people (or you just hate Cato) vote Modianus.
>
> There! Problem solved! Let the most popular interpretation of the rule win.
> You can stop arguing.

If people stopped arguing Nova Roma would collapse in spasms, its raison d'etre gone.


Is there a "none of the above" button in the cista? That would be the clear winner.


Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65684 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Wine
L. Coruncanius Cato omn. spd

I said it on the other thread (anything but politics). There is a wine that reembles very much to ancient roman wines. It's "Pedro Ximenes". A sweet and dense wine located at Jerez: Jerez->Sherry.
Anyway it is quite different from Sherry or Porto wines.

Di vos incolumem custodiant.

--
L. Coruncanius Cato
Aedilis Curulis
Scriba Consulis Hispaniae

--- El jue, 21/5/09, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> escribió:

De: A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...>
Asunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Wine
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: jueves, 21 mayo, 2009 9:50

I think I recall, but i'm not sure, that some of the wines or the grapes from Roman times are still in Spain. Any Spaniards here who know? If I remember correctly, they are associated with fortified wine production -- the sherry triangle.

--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_ cato@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_ cato@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Wine
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 10:22 AM

--- El jue, 21/5/09, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria. venii@gmail. com> escribió:

>Eat hearty, drink deep, live well
Ita est!



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65685 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Sulla (Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma)
LOL Nice one. Sounds almost prepared.

Though to my everlasting benefit, I can say that at least I am not a Neo-Nazi Former Senator of NR. :)

So, at least that's a step up.

And, also, I am not a lawbreaker - again a step up.

And where is your CV? Can't be fair that I posted mine and that in the REAL world I am respected, have multiple positions of authority, and can back mine up. Where is your's?

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salv�te omnes,
>
> Commentary on Sulla
>
> Senator Sulla demonstrates a glibness and superficial charm but more and more Nova Roma citizens are recognizing it, and as evidenced on the ML, our fellow citizens are voicing their negative opinions of Sulla.
> Sulla has also demonstrated on the ML manipulative and conning behavior time after time on the ML. He demonstrates a failure to recognize the needs of others and appears to believe his self serving behaviors are acceptable. Sulla tries to convey a charming outward experience but it soon is discovered that under that friable veneer he further demonstrates ranting and raving hostility in what appears to be an attempt at a very domineering demeanor in an effort to humiliate his targets.
> Sulla may also assert that this particular commentary is a rant but in reality it is composed � as a methodical assessment and with a stoic mien. Of course those, such as Sulla, who are given to extreme outbursts and ranting, raving manic behavior usually read others comments in this way indicating the lack of impulse and behavioral controls which colors their own comments. Sulla behavior demonstrates that he believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, and has little sense of personal boundaries and no concern for his impact on others.
> Sulla demonstrates on the ML what appears to be a grandiose sense of self, he appears to believe his long time, spotty and questionable association with Nova Roma entitles him to certain privileges as his *right* above and over any other citizens. For example the right to impinge on others rights with his constant spewing of spin and deception in order to halt the progress of our respublica.
> Sulla is always looking back or looking to destroy rather than looking to the future and the progress and success of Nova Roma and her citizens.
> Sulla also demonstrates on the ML the ability to alter the truth to his own machinations; this may be perceived as lying. Sulla demonstrates that he has created and has gotten caught up in what appears to be a complex belief about his own powers and abilities.
> Sulla has also demonstrated on the ML what appears to be an inability to show any remorse, shame or guilt. As evidenced on the ML he sees others who disagree with him, make comments about his behavior or dare to question him as targets and opportunities to ply his trade of malicious intent. From what is also evidenced on the MLs his so-called friends, or accomplices, often becomes his victims. But then Sulla has stated in the Back Alley that net friendships are not like *real* friendships. Sulla has demonstrated that the end justifies the means and he will let nothing and no one, not even the Respublica, stand in his way.
> Sulla has said he wants to take down Nova Roma and even now threatens with another lawsuit to achieve his malicious agenda twisting and turning the law to his own benefit. Sulla himself in the Back Alley recently announced that all warfare is deception. That is a clear view into his motives and personality and I wonder if he is gleefully looking towards the Civil War he mentioned. He wants Nova Roma, and her citizens, to suffer the consequences; *his* consequences.
> Sulla demonstrates any emotions he appears to have are shallow and feigned and serves an ulterior and malicious motive. Sulla also demonstrates callousness and a lack of empathy. Sulla demonstrates an unusual need for stimulation with his verbal outbursts, provocations and the need to be "heard"; the need for attention. It appears that Sulla uses his money to make friends (brags about paying others taxes) and hires Attorneys using these *assets* to fight the battles he stokes the fire under so he will not expose himself to any personal confrontation.
> The truly funny thing is Sulla calls others crude and disparaging names, giving honored citizens disrespectful nicknames when really he is the one worthy of such which, for ascribed to him, are truths.
> This strongly indicates the kind of person Sulla is and that, my fellow citizens, is not a nice picture.
> Everything I say here can be demonstrated and found in the various Nova Roma mailing lists and in the Back Alley, look it up if you have a shadow of a doubt.
> All the above may make him a very good Role Player and also fits the description of a parasitic Troll, but not a citizen who I would trust to represent me in Nova Roma's Senate or anywhere for that matter.
>
> C�r�te ut val�atis atque di vos incolumes custodiant.
>
> L. Julia Aquila
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >
> > LOL!!!!
> >
> > How awesome is this! This is almost as good as making Aurelianus (virtually) vomit.
> >
> > Let me educate you about me.
> >
> > In my 37 years of life I have been very pleased with what I have accomplished. I have two Masters Degrees (MBA and Education). I have a Bachelors Degree in Political Science and a Paralegal's Degree.
> >
> > Most of my 20s were spent in college.
> >
> > Over 4 years ago I moved to AZ, in that time I went from having nothing of value, living with my sister, after my apartment break-ins and the death of my kitten. In a dramatic two years I bought a home, purchased the furnishings of my home AND spend $20k on my dream vacation to Israel.
> >
> > I have positions of responsibility and authority in both of the jobs that I own. Comptroller of a construction company in Phoenix and a college professor. I am authorized to sign for contracts, waivers, accounting, payroll, benefits and am a notary public for the state of Arizona. I have passed checks and investigations. I have been the President of a conglomerate (Taurus Communications).
> >
> > You might think I am a cancer, but I have been nominated for Who's Who in Phoenix. You might think I am a cancer, but I am responsible for running a multi-million dollar business. You might think I am a cancer, but I regularly teach 6-8 COLLEGE classes at a time.
> >
> > In other words, to say it politely, your opinion means nothing. Especially compared to what I have accomplished in my life.
> >
> > Now, Vestal, lets see your CV?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, violetphearsen@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you not know what a metaphor is, Sulla? I shall explain it to you: "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance."
> > > �
> > > You do indeed�resemble a creeping cancer eagerly tearing away at the very fabric of Nova Roma. By every word you write, you pollute the main list with vile and negativity. Your every act, or threatened action, creates a miasma of noxious fumes and the stench sickens all. Yes, like a cancer that once disappeared, you have returned again and your goal, it would seem, is to kill Nova Roma. Who else has threatened our Nova Roma with a lawsuit and parades email after email supposedly from an attorney general on this list, with no less an intention that to disband Nova Roma?
> > > Sulla, you are a sad specimen of a man.
> > > If you want to threaten me, insult me, make jokes at my expense, go right ahead. Please, continue to show all Nova Romans the true caliber of your person. Don't stop on my account.
> > > �
> > > Yes, Citizens, I am a Vestal and the Virgo Maxima, too. As such, I have sworn to always speak the truth and I have. This man engages in tactics of divisiveness, spewing animosity, displaying utter contemptuousness for any citizen, even the Virgo Maxima, for daring to tell the truth of what he really is. With his doublespeak, he tries to ensnare and mislead. Fortunately for us,�the Gods know what he really�is. You can pretend before men, Sulla, but Vesta knows the truth of my words.
> > > �
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > > �
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:33 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a law breaker!
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a friend of a law breaker
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a friend to a neo-nazi and who appointed a neo-nazi to the Senate of Nova Roma!
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a panderer.
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer - than to show a complete lack of dignitas and judgement (azresident. mee.nu/warning) .
> > >
> > > And, this ladies and gentlemen is our Vestal! Are you a medical professional that has personally diagnosed me with some type of cancer that my Dr. has missed? Or is this just an opinion?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I said it before and I will say it again - Sulla is a cancer on Nova Roma.
> > > > �
> > > > �
> > > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:04 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The opinion of someone who quit NR for nearly five years with no communication.
> > > > When he returned he posted numerous posts that were aggravating, insulting, and useless.
> > > > The first person in the history of NR to begin a lawsuit when he did not get his way.
> > > > Someone who contnues to use the threat of legal action to accomplish his goals; whatever the hell they are.
> > > > Someone who doesn't contribute to the Sacra et Religio but feels he is qualified to criticize the members of the�CP.
> > > > An empty wine sack full of fumes and dregs of better days.
> > > > Put them all together it spells S-U-L-L-A, a word that means excrement to me.
> > > >
> > > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:53 am
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You know the answer to that, already.
> > > >
> > > > Xtian pontiffs.
> > > > near lawsuit before - most likely to happen again if Modianus because censor
> > > > Declining NR organization.
> > > > Magistrates and their subordinates who have no respect for the law
> > > >
> > > > Need I go on?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Are you truly willing to join up with someone who has tried to create other
> > > > > > organizations that competed and tried to subvert Nova Roma? If so, why?
> > > > >
> > > > > Uh, you yourself are *currently* involved in an effort to create another
> > > > > organization that competes with Nova Roma.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that there's anything wrong with that (I'm involved too, peripherally) .
> > > > >
> > > > > But how can you criticize someone else for doing a thing in the past while
> > > > > you're doing exactly the same right now?
> > > > >
> > > > > O.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > > > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> > > > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65686 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Salve Appio Galerio,

It is disconcerting that almost immediately after you were appointed Censorial scribe to Censor Paulinus, who is in vocal opposition of Modianus' candidacy, that now you also question it?
Before your appointment you issued a similar statement, stating you have looked closely at the law, and supported Modianus' candidacy, finding nothing wrong with it.

May I suggest rather than subjecting the good citizens of Nova Roma to more indecisive and dubious actions that you contemplate independently any further arguments.

I find your change of heart suspect.

Vale,

L. Julia Aquila

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salve et salvete,As I watch this debate I cannot help to be drawn into it.In my opinion as it now stands,I feel that Tiberius Galerius Paulinas, has made a valid argument to support his position.After reviewing what the leges has to say on this matter, I would like to bring what I base my support of his positon upon.
>
> This law shall regulate the amount of times a person may hold certain elected magistracies during a specified time period.
>
> 1. No person shall hold the office of censor consecutively or more than twice in a five-year period. This exception to this provision shall be any censor suffectus who has served 6 months or less of his predecessor's term of office.
> 2. No person shall hold the office of consul for two years consecutively, or hold the office of consul more than twice in any five-year period.
> 3. No person shall hold the office of praetor or aedile consecutively, or hold any of the aforementioned offices more than twice in any five-year period. The exception to this shall be any praetor suffectus or aedile suffectus who has served 3 months or less of his predecessor's term of office.
> Passed by Comitia Populi Tributa yes: 30; No: 4
> Retrieved from "http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Cornelia_Iunia_de_definitione_intervallorum_magistratuum_%28Nova_Roma%29"
> Category: Leges (Nova Roma)
>
> After having stated this, I wonder if Imperium does in fact, trump the law.
> I have not been asked to take action on his behalf,but if asked this would be my opinion,one of complete support of his contention.
>
> Vale et valete,
> Ap.Galerius Aurelianus
> Tribunus Plebis
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65687 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
> Is there a "none of the above" button in the cista? That would be the clear winner.

Heh. Well, that's a matter of some controversy.

There has always been an "Abstain" option, with a radio button (round checkbox that's
mutually exclusive with others in the same group), just like any other choice. The
reason for this is that, on a web form, there's no way to de-select radio button
widgets once selected, except by selecting another one in the same group. So I put
in the Abstain, back in '00, so there'd be a way of undoing an accidental selection.

Last year, I think it was, one of the more pedantic lawwankers noticed it - and flipped
out, saying there was nothing in the law to authorize such a selection, and it was
illegal, and the election was invalid, blah blah blah...

And there was much bloviating.

And I refused to touch it, saying that it had been there for eight years, and if
some change in "law" meant that it had to be changed... well, that's a new
programming project, and you can bloody well pay for it.

So "abstain" is still there, much to the chagrin of the "law" crowd.

O.
(OVTSIDE THE ASYLVM)

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65688 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.

Salve!

But...weren't you one of the voices loudly applauding Appius Galerius earlier for his strength and forthrightness in defending the rights of the "good citizens" of Nova Roma?




Oh.



That was when he agreed with you.




Gotcha.

Carry on.

Vale!

Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Appio Galerio,
>
> It is disconcerting that almost immediately after you were appointed Censorial scribe to Censor Paulinus, who is in vocal opposition of Modianus' candidacy, that now you also question it?
> Before your appointment you issued a similar statement, stating you have looked closely at the law, and supported Modianus' candidacy, finding nothing wrong with it.
>
> May I suggest rather than subjecting the good citizens of Nova Roma to more indecisive and dubious actions that you contemplate independently any further arguments.
>
> I find your change of heart suspect.
>
> Vale,
>
> L. Julia Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65689 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Surely you're not saying she is a...umm...what's the word for it?

Wait...it will come to me.

A HYPOCRITE?

Surely you jest?

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
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> Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.
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> Salve!
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> But...weren't you one of the voices loudly applauding Appius Galerius earlier for his strength and forthrightness in defending the rights of the "good citizens" of Nova Roma?
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> Vale!
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> Cato
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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Appio Galerio,
> >
> > It is disconcerting that almost immediately after you were appointed Censorial scribe to Censor Paulinus, who is in vocal opposition of Modianus' candidacy, that now you also question it?
> > Before your appointment you issued a similar statement, stating you have looked closely at the law, and supported Modianus' candidacy, finding nothing wrong with it.
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> > May I suggest rather than subjecting the good citizens of Nova Roma to more indecisive and dubious actions that you contemplate independently any further arguments.
> >
> > I find your change of heart suspect.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > L. Julia Aquila
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65690 From: deciusiunius Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
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> > Is there a "none of the above" button in the cista? That would be the clear winner.
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> Heh. Well, that's a matter of some controversy.
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> There has always been an "Abstain" option, with a radio button (round checkbox that's
> mutually exclusive with others in the same group), just like any other choice. The
> reason for this is that, on a web form, there's no way to de-select radio button
> widgets once selected, except by selecting another one in the same group. So I put
> in the Abstain, back in '00, so there'd be a way of undoing an accidental selection.
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> Last year, I think it was, one of the more pedantic lawwankers noticed it - and flipped
> out, saying there was nothing in the law to authorize such a selection, and it was
> illegal, and the election was invalid, blah blah blah...
>
> And there was much bloviating.
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> And I refused to touch it, saying that it had been there for eight years, and if
> some change in "law" meant that it had to be changed... well, that's a new
> programming project, and you can bloody well pay for it.
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> So "abstain" is still there, much to the chagrin of the "law" crowd.

Now, can "abstain" or "none of the above" win an election? That would be the clear test. And would he--hmm, or would it be a she--be required to take the oath of office? These are pressing legal issues before us, at least as pressing as any that have confronted the Republic this year.


> O.
> (OVTSIDE THE ASYLVM)


Do you mind if I borrow that for a sig line?


Vale,


Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65691 From: Robert Levee Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Salve L.Julia Aquila,

Well it does not matter how recently I was appointed a scribe.A position which has no power and one in which partisan concerns should be completely put aside.I offered my services due to the need for Nova Roma, to have a person willing to assist our Russian applicants for citizenship.There was a need and I simply answered the call.We are of the same Domus,would you think that that as well would be suspect.I should hope not,though many will use this as a reason to be diagreeable.
I have opposed him in the past and will again,if the need arises.Regardless of Familia,or partisan politics,my opinions will always be based on an honest and unbiased eye for the Law.

Vale,
Ap.Galerius Aurelianus

--- On Thu, 5/21/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote:

> From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Candidacy!
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 4:57 PM
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> appointed Censorial scribe to Censor Paulinus, who is in
> vocal opposition of Modianus' candidacy, that now you
> also question it?
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> Before your appointment you issued a similar statement,
> stating you have looked closely at the law, and supported
> Modianus' candidacy, finding nothing wrong with it.
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> May I suggest rather than subjecting the good citizens of
> Nova Roma to more indecisive and dubious actions that you
> contemplate independently any further arguments.
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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou
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> to be drawn into it.In my opinion as it now stands,I feel
> that Tiberius Galerius Paulinas, has made a valid argument
> to support his position.After reviewing what the leges has
> to say on this matter, I would like to bring what I base my
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> may hold certain elected magistracies during a specified
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> consecutively or more than twice in a five-year period. This
> exception to this provision shall be any censor suffectus
> who has served 6 months or less of his predecessor' s
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> aedile consecutively, or hold any of the aforementioned
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> exception to this shall be any praetor suffectus or aedile
> suffectus who has served 3 months or less of his
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65692 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: (Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma)
Salve Sulla,

Unlike you I have the self confidence and dignitas that I do not need to brag about my degrees, my "positions of authority" or the undignified announcement of one's salary. All indicative of a person who has low self esteem, poor morals and questionable ethics, which once again you display.

Your braggadocious outburst of sullawonderfulness works against you but then wisdom does not correlate with how many degrees collected, how much money earned, or how many positions held as you so demonstrate. Your behavior and your list of contributions do not reflect your professed accomplishments.

There are other qualities I find commendable: those who are progressive, continually learning, who work hard and are able to work as a team towards a common goal in a mature sincere manner for our Respublica. These are not your qualities, no matter how many *assets* you purport to have. Sulla, you are a thief of time and energy.

Vale
L. Julia Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65693 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: (Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma)
Aww the defense of one who lacks!

Iulia, what you do not understand is that as a professor in college I have to keep up with the new technologies as they relate to my subject matter. The same as being a Comptroller. I have to be up to date with GAAP guidelines and IRS regs. Not to mention contractual reviews, contractual enforcement, legal issues and interpretations. Obviously things that seem to have no concern in regards to Nova Roma at all. When you can wave your Imperium stick around and ignore the law.

Undignified announcement of one's salary? I am damn proud of my achievements. Both within NR and in the real world. And, I find it amusing you state I have questionable ethics, when I teach Ethics! In the words of Alanis Morrissette - "isn't it ironic? Dontcha think?"

Indicative of one of low esteem? Do you have a psychology degree to make a medical judgment? What school did you go to? When did you graduate? Or are you just blowing smoke?

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Sulla,
>
> Unlike you I have the self confidence and dignitas that I do not need to brag about my degrees, my "positions of authority" or the undignified announcement of one's salary. All indicative of a person who has low self esteem, poor morals and questionable ethics, which once again you display.
>
> Your braggadocious outburst of sullawonderfulness works against you but then wisdom does not correlate with how many degrees collected, how much money earned, or how many positions held as you so demonstrate. Your behavior and your list of contributions do not reflect your professed accomplishments.
>
> There are other qualities I find commendable: those who are progressive, continually learning, who work hard and are able to work as a team towards a common goal in a mature sincere manner for our Respublica. These are not your qualities, no matter how many *assets* you purport to have. Sulla, you are a thief of time and energy.
>
> Vale
> L. Julia Aquila
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65694 From: deciusiunius Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Appio Galerio,
>
> It is disconcerting that almost immediately after you were appointed Censorial scribe to Censor Paulinus, who is in vocal opposition of Modianus' candidacy, that now you also question it?

> Before your appointment you issued a similar statement, stating you have looked closely at the law, and supported Modianus' candidacy, finding nothing wrong with it.
>
> May I suggest rather than subjecting the good citizens of Nova Roma to more indecisive and dubious actions that you contemplate independently any further arguments.
>
> I find your change of heart suspect.


Bought by an appointment as scribe and five century points! Such rich, brilliant awards for those willing to change their opinion!

You do realize how absurd that sounds, right?


Vale,

Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65695 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Sulla,

Your village called, they want you back.

Modianus is my Brother because we are both members of the Freemasonic Fraternity.  This doesn't mean that I will protect him if I believe that he is in the wrong.  Also, you have no idea what side my bread is buttered on because we have never shared a meal together.

Since you have not read my response to the Censor, you cannot know what I wrote so you should not pretend to knowledge that you lack, although that has never stopped you before.

Your insinuation of wrong doing and of bribery is insulting and once again places you in an actionable position.  You should just shut your piehole.  If you were a Pleb, I would have you haule in front of the Assembly and fined for your highly inflammatory remarks.  However, I think the Gods that you are a Patrician because it would bring the whole ordo down in character if you were a Pleb. 

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus,
Tribunus Plebis


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 2:27 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.



So 4 of the 5 Tribunes failed to respond - yet they were quick to respond to the senate appointment edict. Are they in the pocket of the Consuls and Modianus? How much did he have to pay for them?

I know Aurelianus said Modianus is his BROTHER (here on the ML). So we know where his bread is buttered.

Well there is always a macronational recourse when Modianus does something stupid - which he has done in the past and is bound to do in the future. Then it will be entirely out of NR's hands but in the hands of legal professionals (who have the proper certification and degrees - hehe Maior).

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> > And what exactly is the due process within NR? What recourse does the Censor have - WITHIN NR?
>
> Same as anyone else - convincing the Tribunes, within 72 hours. That didn't happen,
> so it's too late to do much of anything about it now.
>
> O.
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
>

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65696 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Salve Appio Galerio,

I did not bring up the fact that you and Censor Paulinus are in the Domus because I understand having differences of opinions within one's Domus.
Not exactly sure why you would bring this up.
But here we are in the last hours before the voting begins and you are changing you mind in what can be viewed as suspect conditions.
Can you assure me and the other citizens that you did not discuss a possible action with Censor Paulinus?

I simply ask that you seriously re-examine the issue independently and remember that :

*Modianus candidacy was accepted by the Rogatores
*No Intercessio was placed
*Modianus candidacy is legal.

After being discussed ad nauseum on the ML, in the last hours before the voting begins, you have doubts, just over 24 hours after an appointment in a cohors with the very Censor who has been vehemently vocal against Modianus' candidacy. A candidacy up until then you supported.

Vale,
L. Julia Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65697 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Bribery was not technically illegal. In ancient Rome and even recently in the US:

It used to be able to be written off as goodwill under the IRS Guidelines as long as 3 or is it 4 requirements are met.

1 - you are not bribing a government official (US Government)
2 - you did not initiate the bribe
3 - the bribe did not take place in US soil

I think that was it. I am at the office so I think that was it, but gotta double check. And, as I am thinking of this I think this was reversed by IRS code about 4 years ago.

The example, and I recall this in my MBA classes was that you had Lettuce in Zaire you wanted to sell. But the customs officer in Zaire is holding it hostage. It's perishable. But, he offers to speed up the process to let the crop in the country if you give him an extra 5k. You do that - and you used to be able to write that amount off as good will for the cost of doing business in Zaire.

This practice still goes on: http://www.thaipr.net/nc/readnews.aspx?newsid=A9669AA93743911D758A9DCD2FF4C962

I don't care about your and Modianus's role in whatever organization, but since we are talking freemasonry did you guys kill the King of France? ;) Did you guys secretly design DC to be a sign of the devil? LOL Jokes aside!

I know what you said on the ML. Questions of integrity are always valid questions especially in elections. Just like I keep hearing questions about the time when I ran an adult business (as apart of the conglomerate). And, I have not even been associated with the conglomerate in over 10 years (nor does it exist - it dissolved after the death of a partner). LOL Suck it up!

You hold me in contempt - and I hold you in contempt. So be it.

Anyway, work is OVER...off to Listen to some Kaskade - Steppin' Out.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> Sulla,
>
> Your village called, they want you back.
>
> Modianus is my Brother because we are both members of the Freemasonic Fraternity.? This doesn't mean that I will protect him if I believe that he is in the wrong.? Also, you have no idea what side my bread is buttered on because we have never shared a meal together.
>
> Since you have not read my response to the Censor, you cannot know what I wrote so you should not pretend to knowledge that you lack, although that has never stopped you before.
>
> Your insinuation of wrong doing and of bribery is insulting and once again places you in an actionable position.? You should just shut your piehole.? If you were a Pleb, I would have you haule in front of the Assembly and fined for your highly inflammatory remarks.? However, I think the Gods that you are a Patrician because it would bring the whole ordo down in character if you were a Pleb.?
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus,
> Tribunus Plebis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 2:27 pm
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
>
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> So 4 of the 5 Tribunes failed to respond - yet they were quick to respond to the senate appointment edict. Are they in the pocket of the Consuls and Modianus? How much did he have to pay for them?
>
> I know Aurelianus said Modianus is his BROTHER (here on the ML). So we know where his bread is buttered.
>
> Well there is always a macronational recourse when Modianus does something stupid - which he has done in the past and is bound to do in the future. Then it will be entirely out of NR's hands but in the hands of legal professionals (who have the proper certification and degrees - hehe Maior).
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > And what exactly is the due process within NR? What recourse does the Censor have - WITHIN NR?
> >
> > Same as anyone else - convincing the Tribunes, within 72 hours. That didn't happen,
> > so it's too late to do much of anything about it now.
> >
> > O.
> >
> > --
> > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65698 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma continues to ooze
Salve Sulla,

Bothers you that I won't play, doesn't it?
No need to answer that.

Calm down, you sound upset. What would you ever do if the word "I" did not exist? No need to answer that.

Now, I am going to quote a line that I think is so valuable from another who sees right through you:

"Your village called, they want you back."

Vale

L. Julia Aquila


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> Aww the defense of one who lacks!
>
> Iulia, what you do not understand is that as a professor in college I have to keep up with the new technologies as they relate to my subject matter. The same as being a Comptroller. I have to be up to date with GAAP guidelines and IRS regs. Not to mention contractual reviews, contractual enforcement, legal issues and interpretations. Obviously things that seem to have no concern in regards to Nova Roma at all. When you can wave your Imperium stick around and ignore the law.
>
> Undignified announcement of one's salary? I am damn proud of my achievements. Both within NR and in the real world. And, I find it amusing you state I have questionable ethics, when I teach Ethics! In the words of Alanis Morrissette - "isn't it ironic? Dontcha think?"
>
> Indicative of one of low esteem? Do you have a psychology degree to make a medical judgment? What school did you go to? When did you graduate? Or are you just blowing smoke?
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Sulla,
> >
> > Unlike you I have the self confidence and dignitas that I do not need to brag about my degrees, my "positions of authority" or the undignified announcement of one's salary. All indicative of a person who has low self esteem, poor morals and questionable ethics, which once again you display.
> >
> > Your braggadocious outburst of sullawonderfulness works against you but then wisdom does not correlate with how many degrees collected, how much money earned, or how many positions held as you so demonstrate. Your behavior and your list of contributions do not reflect your professed accomplishments.
> >
> > There are other qualities I find commendable: those who are progressive, continually learning, who work hard and are able to work as a team towards a common goal in a mature sincere manner for our Respublica. These are not your qualities, no matter how many *assets* you purport to have. Sulla, you are a thief of time and energy.
> >
> > Vale
> > L. Julia Aquila
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65699 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
You did not spoke of bribery when the tribunes vetoed the case for Equitius Cato.

Gotcha!

And again a threat of starting a macronational lawsuit if  *insert-whatever-you-like* does not suits you...Certainly you are a real awful pain. And all for a pityfull and childish revenge... Shame.

By the way... I think more than 72 hours have past since the acceptation of the candidacy... Under the bylaws of NR Inc. both directors have the final word. What's the problem on this?

Let things go their way. If you do not want a candidate, don't vote him/her. Anything else, is clucking.

PS: on your CV, gives more century points? Good for you!!

Di vos incolumem custodiant.
--
L. Coruncanius Cato
Aedilis Curulis
Scriba Consulis Hispaniae

--- El jue, 21/5/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> escribió:

De: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: jueves, 21 mayo, 2009 9:27

So 4 of the 5 Tribunes failed to respond - yet they were quick to respond to the senate appointment edict. Are they in the pocket of the Consuls and Modianus? How much did he have to pay for them?

I know Aurelianus said Modianus is his BROTHER (here on the ML). So we know where his bread is buttered.

Well there is always a macronational recourse when Modianus does something stupid - which he has done in the past and is bound to do in the future. Then it will be entirely out of NR's hands but in the hands of legal professionals (who have the proper certification and degrees - hehe Maior).

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> > And what exactly is the due process within NR? What recourse does the Censor have - WITHIN NR?
>
> Same as anyone else - convincing the Tribunes, within 72 hours. That didn't happen,
> so it's too late to do much of anything about it now.
>
> O.
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
>


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65700 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Salve Equito Catoni,

Once again sound logic escapes you.
Your spin won't work this time.
This is no laughing matter, but then your interests are not for the Respublica and her citizens, but for your benefit alone and for those who align themselves with you regardless of their competency, but in the end they also benefit you.
Another fine example why I would not vote for Cato for Censor.

Vale
L. Iulia Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65701 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma continues to ooze
Actually, it does not bother me in the least. I don't think about you unless I am typing a response to you. It is obvious to me that you think of me..and think you know me enough for a medical diagnosis. I find that ironic.

And, actually its been a great day. :)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Sulla,
>
> Bothers you that I won't play, doesn't it?
> No need to answer that.
>
> Calm down, you sound upset. What would you ever do if the word "I" did not exist? No need to answer that.
>
> Now, I am going to quote a line that I think is so valuable from another who sees right through you:
>
> "Your village called, they want you back."
>
> Vale
>
> L. Julia Aquila
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >
> > Aww the defense of one who lacks!
> >
> > Iulia, what you do not understand is that as a professor in college I have to keep up with the new technologies as they relate to my subject matter. The same as being a Comptroller. I have to be up to date with GAAP guidelines and IRS regs. Not to mention contractual reviews, contractual enforcement, legal issues and interpretations. Obviously things that seem to have no concern in regards to Nova Roma at all. When you can wave your Imperium stick around and ignore the law.
> >
> > Undignified announcement of one's salary? I am damn proud of my achievements. Both within NR and in the real world. And, I find it amusing you state I have questionable ethics, when I teach Ethics! In the words of Alanis Morrissette - "isn't it ironic? Dontcha think?"
> >
> > Indicative of one of low esteem? Do you have a psychology degree to make a medical judgment? What school did you go to? When did you graduate? Or are you just blowing smoke?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Sulla,
> > >
> > > Unlike you I have the self confidence and dignitas that I do not need to brag about my degrees, my "positions of authority" or the undignified announcement of one's salary. All indicative of a person who has low self esteem, poor morals and questionable ethics, which once again you display.
> > >
> > > Your braggadocious outburst of sullawonderfulness works against you but then wisdom does not correlate with how many degrees collected, how much money earned, or how many positions held as you so demonstrate. Your behavior and your list of contributions do not reflect your professed accomplishments.
> > >
> > > There are other qualities I find commendable: those who are progressive, continually learning, who work hard and are able to work as a team towards a common goal in a mature sincere manner for our Respublica. These are not your qualities, no matter how many *assets* you purport to have. Sulla, you are a thief of time and energy.
> > >
> > > Vale
> > > L. Julia Aquila
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65702 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Salve Iulia Aquila
 
"Commodum ex iniuria sua nemo habere debet"
 
No person ought to have advantage from his own wrong.
 
Vale
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


 


To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: dis_pensible@...
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 22:18:01 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Candidacy!



Salve Equito Catoni,

Once again sound logic escapes you.
Your spin won't work this time.
This is no laughing matter, but then your interests are not for the Respublica and her citizens, but for your benefit alone and for those who align themselves with you regardless of their competency, but in the end they also benefit you.
Another fine example why I would not vote for Cato for Censor.

Vale
L. Iulia Aquila


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65703 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Salve Palladius,

You said that not I.
Century points do not concern me,
Is that the way you view Nova Roma?
A Game? A Role Play?
Do you think this is funny?
No need to answer those questions.
Your spin has no value with me.

Those who answer for Appius insult him by not allowing him to answer for himself, which is he is very capable of.

Vale
L. Julia Aquila



>
>
> Bought by an appointment as scribe and five century points! Such rich, brilliant awards for those willing to change their opinion!
>
> You do realize how absurd that sounds, right?
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Palladius
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65704 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Cato Minimus,

Let me see if I can explain this to you in simple words. My lawsuit focused on Modianus illegally removing me from the Board of Directors of Nova Roma (when he unsub me from the Senate list). I spoke to my lawyer after negotiations broke down with the Consuls/Praetors/and other members of NR. My attorney called the Consuls dumber than a bag of rocks and said I had grounds for a lawsuit in that Nova Roma's magistrate (Modianus) illegally broke Maine Law. The ONLY reason it did not become a lawsuit was because I was kneecapped by Galerius and Mr. Sterne.

Now, I do not know what is so hard for you to understand, Cato Minimus. If one breaks the law, then one should be prepared to reap the whirlwind. As the great writer Hunter Thompson said, "you buy the ticket you take the ride."

If Nova Roma decides to elect the lawbreaker Modianus back as Censor. NR should be prepared to reap the whirlwind when every single action he takes is going to be held in suspect because of its inherent illegality. What you, the consuls and others fail to realize - if it gets to the point as to who decides what is legal and what is not - what does "consecutive" mean - that judgment is going to be taken out of NR's hands because it will be a Judge within the state of Maine that is inevitable going to decide. And, that is perfectly fine with me as I have far more faith in the dispassionate dispensation of justice coming from the State of Maine than I do from the Praetors, Consuls or really ANY magistrate in Nova Roma.

Do you get it now?

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...> wrote:
>
> You did not spoke of bribery when the tribunes vetoed the case for Equitius Cato.
>
> Gotcha!
>
> And again a threat of starting a macronational lawsuit if  *insert-whatever-you-like* does not suits you...Certainly you are a real awful pain. And all for a pityfull and childish revenge... Shame.
>
> By the way... I think more than 72 hours have past since the acceptation of the candidacy... Under the bylaws of NR Inc. both directors have the final word. What's the problem on this?
>
> Let things go their way. If you do not want a candidate, don't vote him/her. Anything else, is clucking.
>
> PS: on your CV, gives more century points? Good for you!!
>
> Di vos incolumem custodiant.
>
> --
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> Aedilis Curulis
>
> Scriba Consulis Hispaniae
>
> --- El jue, 21/5/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> escribió:
>
> De: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
> Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Fecha: jueves, 21 mayo, 2009 9:27
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So 4 of the 5 Tribunes failed to respond - yet they were quick to respond to the senate appointment edict. Are they in the pocket of the Consuls and Modianus? How much did he have to pay for them?
>
>
>
> I know Aurelianus said Modianus is his BROTHER (here on the ML). So we know where his bread is buttered.
>
>
>
> Well there is always a macronational recourse when Modianus does something stupid - which he has done in the past and is bound to do in the future. Then it will be entirely out of NR's hands but in the hands of legal professionals (who have the proper certification and degrees - hehe Maior).
>
>
>
> Vale,
>
>
>
> Sulla
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > And what exactly is the due process within NR? What recourse does the Censor have - WITHIN NR?
>
> >
>
> > Same as anyone else - convincing the Tribunes, within 72 hours. That didn't happen,
>
> > so it's too late to do much of anything about it now.
>
> >
>
> > O.
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
>
> > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
>
> > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
>
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65705 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Wow the Humor just goes right above your head! Doesn't it. LOL

Palladius you know you can't use that humor on the ML!!!!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Palladius,
>
> You said that not I.
> Century points do not concern me,
> Is that the way you view Nova Roma?
> A Game? A Role Play?
> Do you think this is funny?
> No need to answer those questions.
> Your spin has no value with me.
>
> Those who answer for Appius insult him by not allowing him to answer for himself, which is he is very capable of.
>
> Vale
> L. Julia Aquila
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Bought by an appointment as scribe and five century points! Such rich, brilliant awards for those willing to change their opinion!
> >
> > You do realize how absurd that sounds, right?
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Palladius
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65706 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Modianus: legal and preferred candidate for Censor
Salve Galerio Paulino

"Commodum ex injuria sua nemo habere debet"
No person ought to have advantage from his own wrong.
It is my sincere hope that you heed that advice Censor Pauline.

More than 72 hours have passed since the accepting of the candidacy of Modianus
Under the bylaws of NR Inc. both directors have the final word.

Modianus is a legal candidate for Censor.

Vale,
L. Iulia Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65707 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Modianus: legal and preferred candidate for Censor
Again, for now. Every action he takes can be held to a macronational legal challenge. But, hey, lets not focus on that. It is inconvenient.

Vale,

Sulla


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Galerio Paulino
>
> "Commodum ex injuria sua nemo habere debet"
> No person ought to have advantage from his own wrong.
> It is my sincere hope that you heed that advice Censor Pauline.
>
> More than 72 hours have passed since the accepting of the candidacy of Modianus
> Under the bylaws of NR Inc. both directors have the final word.
>
> Modianus is a legal candidate for Censor.
>
> Vale,
> L. Iulia Aquila
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65708 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Censorial candidacy - legitimacy
Avete Omnes;

After having read through the valid debate, reviewed the Law, and
waded through the diatribes; I have taken the decision that ". . .
consecutive . . ." in Nova Roma's laws refers to the Term of Office,
not to the entity therein.

When the entity holding the Office does not finish the Term, the
Suffectus is merely another entity who is elected to finish the Term,
which is already in place.

As Modianus has just finished a full Term as Censor, not an
abbreviated one of six months or less, I am of the considered opinion
that he is not at this time a valid candidate. . .on this issue alone.

However, if he were standing to become Suffectus for an abbreviated
term (as above), the fish in the kettle would be different.

=====================================
In amicitia et fide
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.

May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65709 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
L. Iulia Aquila Luci Coruncanie S.P.D.

Allow me to translate the last, well just about any, post from the entity known as Sulla:

I, I, I, I, I, I and between that a lot of hot hair.

Vale,
Julia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Minimus,
>
> Let me see if I can explain this to you in simple words. My lawsuit focused on Modianus illegally removing me from the Board of Directors of Nova Roma (when he unsub me from the Senate list). I spoke to my lawyer after negotiations broke down with the Consuls/Praetors/and other members of NR. My attorney called the Consuls dumber than a bag of rocks and said I had grounds for a lawsuit in that Nova Roma's magistrate (Modianus) illegally broke Maine Law. The ONLY reason it did not become a lawsuit was because I was kneecapped by Galerius and Mr. Sterne.
>
> Now, I do not know what is so hard for you to understand, Cato Minimus. If one breaks the law, then one should be prepared to reap the whirlwind. As the great writer Hunter Thompson said, "you buy the ticket you take the ride."
>
> If Nova Roma decides to elect the lawbreaker Modianus back as Censor. NR should be prepared to reap the whirlwind when every single action he takes is going to be held in suspect because of its inherent illegality. What you, the consuls and others fail to realize - if it gets to the point as to who decides what is legal and what is not - what does "consecutive" mean - that judgment is going to be taken out of NR's hands because it will be a Judge within the state of Maine that is inevitable going to decide. And, that is perfectly fine with me as I have far more faith in the dispassionate dispensation of justice coming from the State of Maine than I do from the Praetors, Consuls or really ANY magistrate in Nova Roma.
>
> Do you get it now?
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@> wrote:
> >
> > You did not spoke of bribery when the tribunes vetoed the case for Equitius Cato.
> >
> > Gotcha!
> >
> > And again a threat of starting a macronational lawsuit if  *insert-whatever-you-like* does not suits you...Certainly you are a real awful pain. And all for a pityfull and childish revenge... Shame.
> >
> > By the way... I think more than 72 hours have past since the acceptation of the candidacy... Under the bylaws of NR Inc. both directors have the final word. What's the problem on this?
> >
> > Let things go their way. If you do not want a candidate, don't vote him/her. Anything else, is clucking.
> >
> > PS: on your CV, gives more century points? Good for you!!
> >
> > Di vos incolumem custodiant.
> >
> > --
> >
> > L. Coruncanius Cato
> >
> > Aedilis Curulis
> >
> > Scriba Consulis Hispaniae
> >
> > --- El jue, 21/5/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@> escribió:
> >
> > De: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
> > Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Fecha: jueves, 21 mayo, 2009 9:27
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So 4 of the 5 Tribunes failed to respond - yet they were quick to respond to the senate appointment edict. Are they in the pocket of the Consuls and Modianus? How much did he have to pay for them?
> >
> >
> >
> > I know Aurelianus said Modianus is his BROTHER (here on the ML). So we know where his bread is buttered.
> >
> >
> >
> > Well there is always a macronational recourse when Modianus does something stupid - which he has done in the past and is bound to do in the future. Then it will be entirely out of NR's hands but in the hands of legal professionals (who have the proper certification and degrees - hehe Maior).
> >
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> >
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > And what exactly is the due process within NR? What recourse does the Censor have - WITHIN NR?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Same as anyone else - convincing the Tribunes, within 72 hours. That didn't happen,
> >
> > > so it's too late to do much of anything about it now.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > O.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --
> >
> > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> >
> > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> >
> > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
> >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65710 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
L. Coruncanius Cato Equitio Catoni spd.

As you are the only other Cato I know... I must ask... do you know who is your friend talking to?

Di vos incolumem custodiant.
--
L. Coruncanius Cato
Aedilis Curulis
Scriba Consulis Hispaniae

--- El vie, 22/5/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> escribió:

De: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: viernes, 22 mayo, 2009 12:31

Cato Minimus,

Let me see if I can explain this to you in simple words. My lawsuit focused on Modianus illegally removing me from the Board of Directors of Nova Roma (when he unsub me from the Senate list). I spoke to my lawyer after negotiations broke down with the Consuls/Praetors/ and other members of NR. My attorney called the Consuls dumber than a bag of rocks and said I had grounds for a lawsuit in that Nova Roma's magistrate (Modianus) illegally broke Maine Law. The ONLY reason it did not become a lawsuit was because I was kneecapped by Galerius and Mr. Sterne.

Now, I do not know what is so hard for you to understand, Cato Minimus. If one breaks the law, then one should be prepared to reap the whirlwind. As the great writer Hunter Thompson said, "you buy the ticket you take the ride."

If Nova Roma decides to elect the lawbreaker Modianus back as Censor. NR should be prepared to reap the whirlwind when every single action he takes is going to be held in suspect because of its inherent illegality. What you, the consuls and others fail to realize - if it gets to the point as to who decides what is legal and what is not - what does "consecutive" mean - that judgment is going to be taken out of NR's hands because it will be a Judge within the state of Maine that is inevitable going to decide. And, that is perfectly fine with me as I have far more faith in the dispassionate dispensation of justice coming from the State of Maine than I do from the Praetors, Consuls or really ANY magistrate in Nova Roma.

Do you get it now?

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_ cato@...> wrote:
>
> You did not spoke of bribery when the tribunes vetoed the case for Equitius Cato.
>
> Gotcha!
>
> And again a threat of starting a macronational lawsuit if  *insert-whatever- you-like* does not suits you...Certainly you are a real awful pain. And all for a pityfull and childish revenge... Shame.
>
> By the way... I think more than 72 hours have past since the acceptation of the candidacy... Under the bylaws of NR Inc. both directors have the final word. What's the problem on this?
>
> Let things go their way. If you do not want a candidate, don't vote him/her. Anything else, is clucking.
>
> PS: on your CV, gives more century points? Good for you!!
>
> Di vos incolumem custodiant.
>
> --
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> Aedilis Curulis
>
> Scriba Consulis Hispaniae
>
> --- El jue, 21/5/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@... > escribió:
>
> De: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@... >
> Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Fecha: jueves, 21 mayo, 2009 9:27
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So 4 of the 5 Tribunes failed to respond - yet they were quick to respond to the senate appointment edict. Are they in the pocket of the Consuls and Modianus? How much did he have to pay for them?
>
>
>
> I know Aurelianus said Modianus is his BROTHER (here on the ML). So we know where his bread is buttered.
>
>
>
> Well there is always a macronational recourse when Modianus does something stupid - which he has done in the past and is bound to do in the future. Then it will be entirely out of NR's hands but in the hands of legal professionals (who have the proper certification and degrees - hehe Maior).
>
>
>
> Vale,
>
>
>
> Sulla
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > And what exactly is the due process within NR? What recourse does the Censor have - WITHIN NR?
>
> >
>
> > Same as anyone else - convincing the Tribunes, within 72 hours. That didn't happen,
>
> > so it's too late to do much of anything about it now.
>
> >
>
> > O.
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
>
> > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
>
> > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
>
> >
>


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65711 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Cato Galerio Aureliano sal.

Salve!

You must not go there. It can only lead to:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/0394865804.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Vale!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> Sulla,
>
> Your village called, they want you back.
>
> Also, you have no idea what side my bread is buttered on because we have never shared a meal together.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65712 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Actually, your interpretation is slightly incorrect. Let me try to put it to you in another way.

It took NR 11 years to earn about 22k in the treasury. How long do you think it will take an attorney to eat that up in defending MULTIPLE potential lawsuits?

Choas inside and outside of Nova Roma will be Modianus's legacy. As EVERY ACTION he takes is potentially actionable. Every nota, ever illegal removal, everything from approving citizens to the most mundane tasks.

I just know I will experience his illegal actions as I have done in the past. And, I expect to experience it again and thusly I am being prudent in preparing for what I see as potentially inevitable.

Just the fact that there can and WILL be Macronational legal challenges to his election should be enough to give the supporters of Modianus PAUSE - is the very existence of NR worth this battle? Because every macronational challenge is going to have repercussions within NR as well. The money will dry up. Taxes will drop. Discord and chaos will be the result.

But, hey NR is soverign right? We can just ignore pesky Maine law just like we do in regards to NR's own laws.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> L. Iulia Aquila Luci Coruncanie S.P.D.
>
> Allow me to translate the last, well just about any, post from the entity known as Sulla:
>
> I, I, I, I, I, I and between that a lot of hot hair.
>
> Vale,
> Julia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Minimus,
> >
> > Let me see if I can explain this to you in simple words. My lawsuit focused on Modianus illegally removing me from the Board of Directors of Nova Roma (when he unsub me from the Senate list). I spoke to my lawyer after negotiations broke down with the Consuls/Praetors/and other members of NR. My attorney called the Consuls dumber than a bag of rocks and said I had grounds for a lawsuit in that Nova Roma's magistrate (Modianus) illegally broke Maine Law. The ONLY reason it did not become a lawsuit was because I was kneecapped by Galerius and Mr. Sterne.
> >
> > Now, I do not know what is so hard for you to understand, Cato Minimus. If one breaks the law, then one should be prepared to reap the whirlwind. As the great writer Hunter Thompson said, "you buy the ticket you take the ride."
> >
> > If Nova Roma decides to elect the lawbreaker Modianus back as Censor. NR should be prepared to reap the whirlwind when every single action he takes is going to be held in suspect because of its inherent illegality. What you, the consuls and others fail to realize - if it gets to the point as to who decides what is legal and what is not - what does "consecutive" mean - that judgment is going to be taken out of NR's hands because it will be a Judge within the state of Maine that is inevitable going to decide. And, that is perfectly fine with me as I have far more faith in the dispassionate dispensation of justice coming from the State of Maine than I do from the Praetors, Consuls or really ANY magistrate in Nova Roma.
> >
> > Do you get it now?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You did not spoke of bribery when the tribunes vetoed the case for Equitius Cato.
> > >
> > > Gotcha!
> > >
> > > And again a threat of starting a macronational lawsuit if  *insert-whatever-you-like* does not suits you...Certainly you are a real awful pain. And all for a pityfull and childish revenge... Shame.
> > >
> > > By the way... I think more than 72 hours have past since the acceptation of the candidacy... Under the bylaws of NR Inc. both directors have the final word. What's the problem on this?
> > >
> > > Let things go their way. If you do not want a candidate, don't vote him/her. Anything else, is clucking.
> > >
> > > PS: on your CV, gives more century points? Good for you!!
> > >
> > > Di vos incolumem custodiant.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > L. Coruncanius Cato
> > >
> > > Aedilis Curulis
> > >
> > > Scriba Consulis Hispaniae
> > >
> > > --- El jue, 21/5/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@> escribió:
> > >
> > > De: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > > Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
> > > Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Fecha: jueves, 21 mayo, 2009 9:27
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So 4 of the 5 Tribunes failed to respond - yet they were quick to respond to the senate appointment edict. Are they in the pocket of the Consuls and Modianus? How much did he have to pay for them?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know Aurelianus said Modianus is his BROTHER (here on the ML). So we know where his bread is buttered.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well there is always a macronational recourse when Modianus does something stupid - which he has done in the past and is bound to do in the future. Then it will be entirely out of NR's hands but in the hands of legal professionals (who have the proper certification and degrees - hehe Maior).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > And what exactly is the due process within NR? What recourse does the Censor have - WITHIN NR?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Same as anyone else - convincing the Tribunes, within 72 hours. That didn't happen,
> > >
> > > > so it's too late to do much of anything about it now.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > O.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > --
> > >
> > > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > >
> > > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> > >
> > > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65713 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
> Choas inside and outside of Nova Roma will be Modianus's legacy. As EVERY ACTION he takes is potentially actionable. Every nota, ever illegal removal, everything from approving citizens to the most mundane tasks.

Every action anyone takes anywhere is potentially actionable, just
like there's a possibility a 747 may fall and crush you every time
you leave the house. Every action Cato would take is also
"potentially actionable".

That doesn't mean a suit has a good chance of being launched, or
of succeeding.

I highly doubt anyone is going to be asinine enough to sue either of
them over routine member approvals or senatorial appointments.


--
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author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65714 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.

Salve!

Iulia Aquila, i have the very strong suspicion that if Iuppiter O.M. Himself descended from the heavens and wrote in words of fire a mile high "Vote for Cato" you would try to correct Him.

Just for poop and giggles, what exact benefit do you think I am supposed to be striving for? Hours of work? A job that mostly goes on behind the scenes? An imaginary pointy hat?

Once again this idea that somehow this virtual authority translates into anything other than precisely that has its grip on you. I offer myself to serve.

Vale!

Cato

P.S. - without a sense of humor we would all descend into madness. GEC



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Equito Catoni,
>
> Once again sound logic escapes you.
> Your spin won't work this time.
> This is no laughing matter, but then your interests are not for the Respublica and her citizens, but for your benefit alone and for those who align themselves with you regardless of their competency, but in the end they also benefit you.
> Another fine example why I would not vote for Cato for Censor.
>
> Vale
> L. Iulia Aquila
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65715 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Cato Catoni sal.

Salve!

It's an old English boarding school practice; when two people have the same last name the older is called "Maior" and the younger is called "Minor" or something like that. I believe Sulla is using a form of this.

Vale!

Cato

P.S. - there's another Cato that I know of in the Senate, A. Tullius Marcellus Cato, who is, I think older than both of us (though probably not together). So if the three of us were together I would be "Minor" and you would be...I don't know, actually :) GEC


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...> wrote:
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato Equitio Catoni spd.
>
> As you are the only other Cato I know... I must ask... do you know who is your friend talking to?
>
> Di vos incolumem custodiant.
>
> --
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> Aedilis Curulis
>
> Scriba Consulis Hispaniae
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65716 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Caesar Octavio SPD

Forget about macronational action. Only the most determined you are right would consider that. It does have the potential for chaos here in NR. Regardless of how you view the rights and wrongs of the matter, this has even more potential for being the catalyst of chaos - or more so than usual in NR - simply due to the double standard over Placidus having had to step down for the very same issue, and Modianus not. The law says cannot assume the office, so this will be an ongoing debate for the length of his term if elected, and beyond.

Still double standards at work.

Optime vale



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> > Choas inside and outside of Nova Roma will be Modianus's legacy. As EVERY ACTION he takes is potentially actionable. Every nota, ever illegal removal, everything from approving citizens to the most mundane tasks.
>
> Every action anyone takes anywhere is potentially actionable, just
> like there's a possibility a 747 may fall and crush you every time
> you leave the house. Every action Cato would take is also
> "potentially actionable".
>
> That doesn't mean a suit has a good chance of being launched, or
> of succeeding.
>
> I highly doubt anyone is going to be asinine enough to sue either of
> them over routine member approvals or senatorial appointments.
>
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65717 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Caesar Catoni SPD

Correct, Major and Minor. Used at my prep school and boarding school.

Optime vale

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Catoni sal.
>
> Salve!
>
> It's an old English boarding school practice; when two people have the same last name the older is called "Maior" and the younger is called "Minor" or something like that. I believe Sulla is using a form of this.
>
> Vale!
>
> Cato
>
> P.S. - there's another Cato that I know of in the Senate, A. Tullius Marcellus Cato, who is, I think older than both of us (though probably not together). So if the three of us were together I would be "Minor" and you would be...I don't know, actually :) GEC
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@> wrote:
> >
> > L. Coruncanius Cato Equitio Catoni spd.
> >
> > As you are the only other Cato I know... I must ask... do you know who is your friend talking to?
> >
> > Di vos incolumem custodiant.
> >
> > --
> >
> > L. Coruncanius Cato
> >
> > Aedilis Curulis
> >
> > Scriba Consulis Hispaniae
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65718 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: let's vote for our choice
M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
for gods sake let's put an end to tiresome endless legal quibbling and bickering and lets vote for whom we want as censor. Let the cives decide. I know this is a shocking notion, an astounding one.
Just vote and make our choice.
bene valete in pacem deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65719 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
Caesar Maoiri SPD

As usual your late entrance into the thread misses the point. It isn't about voting it is about what happens if Modianus is elected for the law says he cannot hold office, or so say a number of people drawn from all sides of NR. As doubt exists that will taint his decision making process and cause further issues for the remainder of his term and beyond.

It isn't even about voting, it is about what happens AFTER, if he wins and since the law forbids him from serving that every decision he makes will be illegal.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
> for gods sake let's put an end to tiresome endless legal quibbling and bickering and lets vote for whom we want as censor. Let the cives decide. I know this is a shocking notion, an astounding one.
> Just vote and make our choice.
> bene valete in pacem deorum
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65720 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
On Thu, 21 May 2009, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar wrote:

> Caesar Octavio SPD
>
> Forget about macronational action. Only the most determined you are right would
> consider that. It does have the potential for chaos here in NR.

Yeah, but what doesn't?

There's going to be chaos either way.

Possibilities:

election proceeds, Modianus wins: cries of "illegal" from a handful of people
every time he opens his mouth.

election proceeds, Cato wins: cries of "you sabotaged our candidate with bogus
accusations!" from a different but equally annyoing handful of people
every time he opens his mouth.

Cato goes on trial for treason: "you sabotaged our candidate with bogus accusations!"

Modianus drops out, Cato wins by default: cries of "you stole the election!"

election cancelled, two new candidates found: anger from supporters of each of
the original candidates.

I don't see any outcome that doesn't lead to lots of anger and demands for retribution
(unless both quit and are replaced with non-controversial candidates).


--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65721 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
> As usual your late entrance into the thread misses the point. It isn't
> about voting it is about what happens if Modianus is elected for the law
> says he cannot hold office,

People will whine, pout, and threaten; the opposite faction will reply
in kind; and business will go on as usual. The tailspin that NR's in
will be neither hastened nor lessened.

O.
OVTSIDE THE ASYLVM
but enjoying watching the train wreck

--
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author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65722 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
But, one can reasonable forsee the likelihood of future litigation. And, we need to ask - if Modianus is elected how likely is litigation to happen? Yes, and why? Because he will puruse his personal vendettas through his powers that he will hold illegally and he will cause the lawsuit. Just like he did when he tossed me off the Board of Directors in December of last year.

And besides, a lawsuit does not need to be resolve before NR is bankrupt. How long do you think 22k can reasonable last? An average atty costs 200-300 an hour.

My demand letter alone was almost $300.00. That does not include other costs that I incurred.

A complaint would be at least a grand. If not more. Then the inevitable motions and discovery. Yeah, that $22k will be gone before 6 months tops. Then what? Are the Euros going to pay to continue to fund the defense? What about Marinus? Modianus? Aurelianus?

Can one reasonable forsee a lawsuit if Modianus gets elected? I think that answer is a big YES. Again, because he will use his illegal position to pursue his own personal vendettas. So, is the existence of NR worth Modianus's possible election?

Vale,

Sulla


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> > Choas inside and outside of Nova Roma will be Modianus's legacy. As EVERY ACTION he takes is potentially actionable. Every nota, ever illegal removal, everything from approving citizens to the most mundane tasks.
>
> Every action anyone takes anywhere is potentially actionable, just
> like there's a possibility a 747 may fall and crush you every time
> you leave the house. Every action Cato would take is also
> "potentially actionable".
>
> That doesn't mean a suit has a good chance of being launched, or
> of succeeding.
>
> I highly doubt anyone is going to be asinine enough to sue either of
> them over routine member approvals or senatorial appointments.
>
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65723 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Caesar Octavio SPD

I highly doubt Cato can be charged with reason for disputing along many others Modianus' ability to take office.

There is no reason Cato should be penalized for a bad call by all those concerned in allowing Modianus' name on the ballot, and why should he step down simply becuase people can't read and folow the law?

No, here is another scenario. He takes his name off and runs again when there is no doubt about his candidacy. Then we wills ee if if really wanted to run for the sake of giving service to Nova Roma or if he ran because he was the person chosen by TPTB to try to stop cato.

Civic service or factional self-interest...what do you think drives Modianus Octavius? I know what I think based on his answers here in this matter and his entire history. Don't forget that he stood down as candidate for Curule Aedile last year citing I believe issues of a personal nature, school etc. So why now the sudden desire to become Censor? I don't believe he has any more time nor any greater desire to serve than before. He has been saying recently he only stays in NR for a few people. So what does that indicate? That the deal was stand, block Paulinus and let your cohors do the work. A

Most of Modianus' political career in Nova Roma has been as the recipient of someone's blessing and influence. The only question in his ongoing latest career as a political sock puppet, who has their hand up his back working his mouth and typing fingers?

Optime vale

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 21 May 2009, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar wrote:
>
> > Caesar Octavio SPD
> >
> > Forget about macronational action. Only the most determined you are right would
> > consider that. It does have the potential for chaos here in NR.
>
> Yeah, but what doesn't?
>
> There's going to be chaos either way.
>
> Possibilities:
>
> election proceeds, Modianus wins: cries of "illegal" from a handful of people
> every time he opens his mouth.
>
> election proceeds, Cato wins: cries of "you sabotaged our candidate with bogus
> accusations!" from a different but equally annyoing handful of people
> every time he opens his mouth.
>
> Cato goes on trial for treason: "you sabotaged our candidate with bogus accusations!"
>
> Modianus drops out, Cato wins by default: cries of "you stole the election!"
>
> election cancelled, two new candidates found: anger from supporters of each of
> the original candidates.
>
> I don't see any outcome that doesn't lead to lots of anger and demands for retribution
> (unless both quit and are replaced with non-controversial candidates).
>
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65724 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
> Can one reasonable forsee a lawsuit if Modianus gets elected? I think
> that answer is a big YES.

Robert, you are in the process of moving to a country that is subject to
repeated terrorist attacks - perhaps more so than any other locality
on earth.

Does this deter you? No? You have chosen to not let cowardice rule
the day, to not let terrorists dictate how and where you will live.

Permit the people of Nova Roma the same choice. They should not refrain
from supporting the best candidate for the job (whoever they think that
may be) because of how they think his enemies will react. Anyone who
would make that choice is a coward, and not fit to lick the dirt from
the shoes of either candidate.

O.

--
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author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65725 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
What will happen? a bunch of nothing just like the flap over MM fund, late elections, the Maine AG, full compliance. Now its the fameus meaning of 'consecutive'. Those non-issues that resulted in absolutely nothing of benefit for the res publica.

I wish to gods you'd just let people vote
>
Gn. Iulius Caesar if you have faith that Cato is the better man fine; I think Modianus is the better man fine; let others decide and let's move on. to something Productive!
Marca Hortensia Maior
>
>
> > As usual your late entrance into the thread misses the point. It isn't
> > about voting it is about what happens if Modianus is elected for the law
> > says he cannot hold office,
>
> People will whine, pout, and threaten; the opposite faction will reply
> in kind; and business will go on as usual. The tailspin that NR's in
> will be neither hastened nor lessened.
>
> O.
> OVTSIDE THE ASYLVM
> but enjoying watching the train wreck
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65726 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Caesar Octavio SPD.

Well of course people are going to vote Octavius since his name was allowed on the ballot. Then what? Just becuase he maybe elected doesn't change the law.

They should have picked a politcal sock puppet that wasn't legally handicapped.

Optime vale



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> > Can one reasonable forsee a lawsuit if Modianus gets elected? I think
> > that answer is a big YES.
>
> Robert, you are in the process of moving to a country that is subject to
> repeated terrorist attacks - perhaps more so than any other locality
> on earth.
>
> Does this deter you? No? You have chosen to not let cowardice rule
> the day, to not let terrorists dictate how and where you will live.
>
> Permit the people of Nova Roma the same choice. They should not refrain
> from supporting the best candidate for the job (whoever they think that
> may be) because of how they think his enemies will react. Anyone who
> would make that choice is a coward, and not fit to lick the dirt from
> the shoes of either candidate.
>
> O.
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65727 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Modianus: legal and preferred candidate for Censor
Salve Catoni,

> "without a sense of humor we would all descend into madness" GEC

Now that is amusing considering the source of the quote because I see GEC as somewhat dour.

Don't believe everything you read or are told.
It is important to think freely and independently, and this is the gist of this thread.
It went from a serious enquiry that was directed towards one person to responses from the "back alley gang" and turned into a discussion about humor.

Do you know what emotional lability is? Continual laughing, an over application of humor, then it often turns into an avid expression of anger as we have seen in some of the rants and arguments and the cycle begins again.

Just as you cannot truly determine if I do or do not have a sense of humor because I spend so little time on the mailing list, I cannot truly determine if you or any the "back alley gang" (and I mean it like the old "our gang" series with Spanky, Buckwheat etc.:>) are emotionally labile although y'all/youse are online more often and it sure looks like it;)

Perception, Cato, perception.

As for the Gods, you should know by now I do not get into religious discussions, been there, done that;) I leave that between you and the God/s of your heart.
Ok but even if they did direct me to vote for you, you *know* I would ask Â…questions;) Just as I do in anything I am involved in, I do not make it easy for anyone nor do I blindly listen to any authority, much less virtual, so be careful with absolute sentences.

Now run along people will think we like each otherÂ…

*laugh*

Vale,
Julia



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.
>
> Salve!
>
> Iulia Aquila, i have the very strong suspicion that if Iuppiter O.M. Himself descended from the heavens and wrote in words of fire a mile high "Vote for Cato" you would try to correct Him.
>
> Just for poop and giggles, what exact benefit do you think I am supposed to be striving for? Hours of work? A job that mostly goes on behind the scenes? An imaginary pointy hat?
>
> Once again this idea that somehow this virtual authority translates into anything other than precisely that has its grip on you. I offer myself to serve.
>
> Vale!
>
> Cato
>
> P.S. - without a sense of humor we would all descend into madness. GEC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65728 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

I didn't feel it a good thing for me, almost six months ago, to run for curule aedile because I was depressed after my 10 year marriage was breaking up.  My divorce will be finalized in a couple of weeks and I've moved on emotionally.  My first year of graduate school will be ending in a few days once I finish that last paper I have to write, and now I have a good indication of what to expect in graduate school.

Valete;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

Civic service or factional self-interest...what do you think drives Modianus Octavius? I know what I think based on his answers here in this matter and his entire history. Don't forget that he stood down as candidate for Curule Aedile last year citing I believe issues of a personal nature, school etc. So why now the sudden desire to become Censor? I don't believe he has any more time nor any greater desire to serve than before. He has been saying recently he only stays in NR for a few people. So what does that indicate? That the deal was stand, block Paulinus and let your cohors do the work. A



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65729 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
Caesar Maiori SPD

Standing on the right side of the law is productive. Asking for consistency as with Placidus is productive. Attempting to prevent chaos if and when he is elected is productive.

You should try it occasionally instead of advocating for illegality and chaos.



--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:

> From: Maior <rory12001@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: let's vote for our choice
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 5:42 PM
> What will happen?  a bunch of
> nothing just like the flap over MM fund, late elections, the
> Maine AG, full compliance. Now its the fameus meaning of
> 'consecutive'. Those non-issues that resulted in absolutely
> nothing of benefit for the res publica.
>
> I wish to gods you'd just let people vote
> >
> Gn. Iulius Caesar if you have faith that Cato is the better
> man fine; I think Modianus is the better man fine; let
> others decide and let's move on. to something Productive!
>             Marca Hortensia
> Maior
> >
> >
> > > As usual your late entrance into the thread
> misses the point. It isn't
> > > about voting it is about what happens if Modianus
> is elected for the law
> > > says he cannot hold office,
> >
> > People will whine, pout, and threaten; the opposite
> faction will reply
> > in kind; and business will go on as usual.  The
> tailspin that NR's in
> > will be neither hastened nor lessened.
> >
> > O.
> > OVTSIDE THE ASYLVM
> > but enjoying watching the train wreck
> >
> > --
> > Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 -
> http://cynico.net/
> >
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65730 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
> I highly doubt Cato can be charged with reason

Heh. Freudian slip?

> for disputing along many others Modianus' ability to take office.

I was refering to last month's idiotic "treason" kerfuffle. Hopefully that's dead, though.

> There is no reason Cato should be penalized for a bad call by all
> those concerned in allowing Modianus' name on the ballot,
> and why should he step down simply becuase people can't read and folow the law?

Nor should he run unopposed, to be handed the victory on a sliver platter
(ok, plastic platter wrapped in tinfoil, it's all NR can afford).

Assuming for a moment that Modianus truly is ineligible, by acting on it now -
when it's too late for anyone else to candidate - is grossly unfair to his
supporters. Suppose that this "fact" was known up front, within hours or days
of when he declared; he could have withdrawn, and endorsed someone with similar
views. Perhaps there were even others amongst his allies who were considering
running, but who chose not to stand for office so as not to divide the vote.
(Not that I'm aware of this; I'm not a member of either faction anymore, and
I don't get invited to any of the good conspiracies).

Shall that faction, which has the loyalty of a substantial number of people,
be entirely unable to put up any candidate?

If Cato's supporters had spoken up a few days sooner it would be different.
Waiting until the period to declare candidacy was closed, though, and then
trying to get the opponent booted out, smells like political machinations.
It's as dirty a business as the "treason" charge - which also smelled like
an attempt to force out a disliked candidate.

For Modianus to drop out now, and Cato to remain as sole candidate, would be
the gravest injustice of anything we've seen this year.

Better for the entire election to be cancelled and the field thrown open to
*all* eligible candidates, for an election another month from now.

As for myself, I have pledged to vote for neither of the current candidates.
I actually like them both, regardless of the excesses of their followers.

O.
OVTSIDE THE ASYLVM,
OBSERVING THE LVNATICS.


--
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author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65731 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
What productive thing have you accomplished Caesar with:
the MM 'fraud' business, the 'compliance' business, the Maine AG business and the earlier 'our consuls are incompetant business (though amusingly they are extremely competant to help Paulinus with censorial duties!)

You don't have faith in Cato so you are trying to get Modianus knocked off the ticket. It's apparant to everyone. So please just stop this nonsense and just let's vote for the candidate of our choice, unless you feel the people aren't smart enough to make their own decisions.
Maior

>
>
> Caesar Maiori SPD
>
> Standing on the right side of the law is productive. Asking for consistency as with Placidus is productive. Attempting to prevent chaos if and when he is elected is productive.
>
> You should try it occasionally instead of advocating for illegality and chaos.
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Maior <rory12001@...>
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: let's vote for our choice
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 5:42 PM
> > What will happen?  a bunch of
> > nothing just like the flap over MM fund, late elections, the
> > Maine AG, full compliance. Now its the fameus meaning of
> > 'consecutive'. Those non-issues that resulted in absolutely
> > nothing of benefit for the res publica.
> >
> > I wish to gods you'd just let people vote
> > >
> > Gn. Iulius Caesar if you have faith that Cato is the better
> > man fine; I think Modianus is the better man fine; let
> > others decide and let's move on. to something Productive!
> >             Marca Hortensia
> > Maior
> > >
> > >
> > > > As usual your late entrance into the thread
> > misses the point. It isn't
> > > > about voting it is about what happens if Modianus
> > is elected for the law
> > > > says he cannot hold office,
> > >
> > > People will whine, pout, and threaten; the opposite
> > faction will reply
> > > in kind; and business will go on as usual.  The
> > tailspin that NR's in
> > > will be neither hastened nor lessened.
> > >
> > > O.
> > > OVTSIDE THE ASYLVM
> > > but enjoying watching the train wreck
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 -
> > http://cynico.net/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >     mailto:Nova-Roma-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65732 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Caesar Octavio SPD.

I didn't see Modianus stepping down when he ran for office and was unopposed, or anyone else. If anyone else had wanted to stand they should of when the call for candidates was on. The fact that no one did and the political sock puppet has a flaw that handicaps him isn't grounds to invalidate the election, just him from serving.

Maybe if we held them to that standard of consequence for poor judgment they would get it right next time, instead of penalizing the other candidate for a failure that is not his.

Optime vale

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> > I highly doubt Cato can be charged with reason
>
> Heh. Freudian slip?
>
> > for disputing along many others Modianus' ability to take office.
>
> I was refering to last month's idiotic "treason" kerfuffle. Hopefully that's dead, though.
>
> > There is no reason Cato should be penalized for a bad call by all
> > those concerned in allowing Modianus' name on the ballot,
> > and why should he step down simply becuase people can't read and folow the law?
>
> Nor should he run unopposed, to be handed the victory on a sliver platter
> (ok, plastic platter wrapped in tinfoil, it's all NR can afford).
>
> Assuming for a moment that Modianus truly is ineligible, by acting on it now -
> when it's too late for anyone else to candidate - is grossly unfair to his
> supporters. Suppose that this "fact" was known up front, within hours or days
> of when he declared; he could have withdrawn, and endorsed someone with similar
> views. Perhaps there were even others amongst his allies who were considering
> running, but who chose not to stand for office so as not to divide the vote.
> (Not that I'm aware of this; I'm not a member of either faction anymore, and
> I don't get invited to any of the good conspiracies).
>
> Shall that faction, which has the loyalty of a substantial number of people,
> be entirely unable to put up any candidate?
>
> If Cato's supporters had spoken up a few days sooner it would be different.
> Waiting until the period to declare candidacy was closed, though, and then
> trying to get the opponent booted out, smells like political machinations.
> It's as dirty a business as the "treason" charge - which also smelled like
> an attempt to force out a disliked candidate.
>
> For Modianus to drop out now, and Cato to remain as sole candidate, would be
> the gravest injustice of anything we've seen this year.
>
> Better for the entire election to be cancelled and the field thrown open to
> *all* eligible candidates, for an election another month from now.
>
> As for myself, I have pledged to vote for neither of the current candidates.
> I actually like them both, regardless of the excesses of their followers.
>
> O.
> OVTSIDE THE ASYLVM,
> OBSERVING THE LVNATICS.
>
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65733 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> What productive thing have you accomplished Caesar with:
> the MM 'fraud' business, the 'compliance' business, the Maine AG business and the earlier 'our consuls are incompetant business (though amusingly they are extremely competant to help Paulinus with censorial duties!)
>
> You don't have faith in Cato so you are trying to get Modianus knocked off the ticket. It's apparant to everyone. So please just stop this nonsense and just let's vote for the candidate of our choice, unless you feel the people aren't smart enough to make their own decisions.
> Maior
>
> >
> >
> > Caesar Maiori SPD
> >
> > Standing on the right side of the law is productive. Asking for consistency as with Placidus is productive. Attempting to prevent chaos if and when he is elected is productive.
> >
> > You should try it occasionally instead of advocating for illegality and chaos.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Maior <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Maior <rory12001@>
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: let's vote for our choice
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 5:42 PM
> > > What will happen?  a bunch of
> > > nothing just like the flap over MM fund, late elections, the
> > > Maine AG, full compliance. Now its the fameus meaning of
> > > 'consecutive'. Those non-issues that resulted in absolutely
> > > nothing of benefit for the res publica.
> > >
> > > I wish to gods you'd just let people vote
> > > >
> > > Gn. Iulius Caesar if you have faith that Cato is the better
> > > man fine; I think Modianus is the better man fine; let
> > > others decide and let's move on. to something Productive!
> > >             Marca Hortensia
> > > Maior
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > As usual your late entrance into the thread
> > > misses the point. It isn't
> > > > > about voting it is about what happens if Modianus
> > > is elected for the law
> > > > > says he cannot hold office,
> > > >
> > > > People will whine, pout, and threaten; the opposite
> > > faction will reply
> > > > in kind; and business will go on as usual.  The
> > > tailspin that NR's in
> > > > will be neither hastened nor lessened.
> > > >
> > > > O.
> > > > OVTSIDE THE ASYLVM
> > > > but enjoying watching the train wreck
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> > > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 -
> > > http://cynico.net/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >     mailto:Nova-Roma-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65734 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
Caesar Maiori SPD.

Feeble try Maior, it's not about me it is about what happens if a candidate, Modainus, is elected who cannot lawfully serve as Censor, but does so anyway.

Try to get better at diversionary tactics, or at least make a more credible attempt to run down the field with the goal posts as the ball gets near.

Optime vale

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> What productive thing have you accomplished Caesar with:
> the MM 'fraud' business, the 'compliance' business, the Maine AG business and the earlier 'our consuls are incompetant business (though amusingly they are extremely competant to help Paulinus with censorial duties!)
>
> You don't have faith in Cato so you are trying to get Modianus knocked off the ticket. It's apparant to everyone. So please just stop this nonsense and just let's vote for the candidate of our choice, unless you feel the people aren't smart enough to make their own decisions.
> Maior
>
> >
> >
> > Caesar Maiori SPD
> >
> > Standing on the right side of the law is productive. Asking for consistency as with Placidus is productive. Attempting to prevent chaos if and when he is elected is productive.
> >
> > You should try it occasionally instead of advocating for illegality and chaos.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Maior <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Maior <rory12001@>
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: let's vote for our choice
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 5:42 PM
> > > What will happen?  a bunch of
> > > nothing just like the flap over MM fund, late elections, the
> > > Maine AG, full compliance. Now its the fameus meaning of
> > > 'consecutive'. Those non-issues that resulted in absolutely
> > > nothing of benefit for the res publica.
> > >
> > > I wish to gods you'd just let people vote
> > > >
> > > Gn. Iulius Caesar if you have faith that Cato is the better
> > > man fine; I think Modianus is the better man fine; let
> > > others decide and let's move on. to something Productive!
> > >             Marca Hortensia
> > > Maior
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > As usual your late entrance into the thread
> > > misses the point. It isn't
> > > > > about voting it is about what happens if Modianus
> > > is elected for the law
> > > > > says he cannot hold office,
> > > >
> > > > People will whine, pout, and threaten; the opposite
> > > faction will reply
> > > > in kind; and business will go on as usual.  The
> > > tailspin that NR's in
> > > > will be neither hastened nor lessened.
> > > >
> > > > O.
> > > > OVTSIDE THE ASYLVM
> > > > but enjoying watching the train wreck
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> > > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 -
> > > http://cynico.net/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >     mailto:Nova-Roma-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65735 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
Maior Caesari spd;
since you seem to have a problem understanding that
1. Modianus was censor,
2.then out of office,
3.then Laenas and Paulinus were elected censors,
4. and Modianus if elected, would follow Laenas

On any planet in any law school I assure you that is not consecutive, so there is no problem other than what you are making up.

If you don't trust your candidate put up another, trying to get the other out by any means necessary doesn't make for a good opinion.

Try posting on Cato's good qualities and accomplishments to persuade the voters to vote for him.

Marca Hortensia Maior


>
> Feeble try Maior, it's not about me it is about what happens if a candidate, Modainus, is elected who cannot lawfully serve as Censor, but does so anyway.
>
> Try to get better at diversionary tactics, or at least make a more credible attempt to run down the field with the goal posts as the ball gets near.
>
> Optime vale
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > What productive thing have you accomplished Caesar with:
> > the MM 'fraud' business, the 'compliance' business, the Maine AG business and the earlier 'our consuls are incompetant business (though amusingly they are extremely competant to help Paulinus with censorial duties!)
> >
> > You don't have faith in Cato so you are trying to get Modianus knocked off the ticket. It's apparant to everyone. So please just stop this nonsense and just let's vote for the candidate of our choice, unless you feel the people aren't smart enough to make their own decisions.
> > Maior
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Caesar Maiori SPD
> > >
> > > Standing on the right side of the law is productive. Asking for consistency as with Placidus is productive. Attempting to prevent chaos if and when he is elected is productive.
> > >
> > > You should try it occasionally instead of advocating for illegality and chaos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Maior <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Maior <rory12001@>
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: let's vote for our choice
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 5:42 PM
> > > > What will happen?  a bunch of
> > > > nothing just like the flap over MM fund, late elections, the
> > > > Maine AG, full compliance. Now its the fameus meaning of
> > > > 'consecutive'. Those non-issues that resulted in absolutely
> > > > nothing of benefit for the res publica.
> > > >
> > > > I wish to gods you'd just let people vote
> > > > >
> > > > Gn. Iulius Caesar if you have faith that Cato is the better
> > > > man fine; I think Modianus is the better man fine; let
> > > > others decide and let's move on. to something Productive!
> > > >             Marca Hortensia
> > > > Maior
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > As usual your late entrance into the thread
> > > > misses the point. It isn't
> > > > > > about voting it is about what happens if Modianus
> > > > is elected for the law
> > > > > > says he cannot hold office,
> > > > >
> > > > > People will whine, pout, and threaten; the opposite
> > > > faction will reply
> > > > > in kind; and business will go on as usual.  The
> > > > tailspin that NR's in
> > > > > will be neither hastened nor lessened.
> > > > >
> > > > > O.
> > > > > OVTSIDE THE ASYLVM
> > > > > but enjoying watching the train wreck
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > > > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> > > > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 -
> > > > http://cynico.net/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     mailto:Nova-Roma-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65736 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: consecutive
From the Oxford English Dictionary:

CONSECUTIVE

1. Following continuously; following each its predecessor in uninterrupted succession.


---

The OED gives the above as the first definition of "consecutive". The first recorded use of the word with this meaning is dated 1611. "Consecutive" does not simply mean "following", it means following in a specific manner, that is, "continuously", without interruption.

Since the censorship of Laenas intervenes, no law stands in the way of Modianus to candidate for or hold the office of censor.

The meaning of "consecutive" has remained stable in standard English usage for five centuries. No other interpretation is possible of the English words used.

For those who may not know, I am by training and trade an applied linguist, and as such I hold a university faculty position.

The Oxford English Dictionary is the largest and most comprehensive dictionary of English and it is the gold standard for the denotation of English words.

Agricola
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65737 From: violetphearsen@yahoo.com Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
You have no right to tell me, nor any other Nova Roman, that our opinions do not count. Every person here is entitled to his or her opinion, whether you like it or not.
You speak of material things. I speak of integrity and honesty.
If you are a man of such accomplishments as you claim, then why do you not treat others here in Nova Roma with dignity and respect? Here among us you act like a loud-mouth bully, throwing tantrums whenever you don't get your way. You always have. Those are not the actions of a distinguished  and honorable man.
As always, Sulla, your actions belie your words.
 
You want my CV, do you? All right.
 
I have, over the past seventeen years, developed my devotion to Vesta and to all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma. Then four and a half years ago, I discover Nova Roma. I spent about ten minutes reading everything on our website and then I applied for citizenship without any hesitation because I knew right then and there that Nova Roma was where I wanted to be for the rest of my life.
 
When my citizenship was granted to me, I was so very happy, but that happiness did not last long. In my first month as a new citizen in Nova Roma, I became the target of a flame war aimed directly at me by the Boni, of which you were part of, over the topic of animal sacrifice. I was almost kicked out, but cooler heads prevailed. Despite this tumultous beginning, I stayed dedicated to Nova Roma, made some good friends and kept to my studies of the Religio Romana.
 
After a year and a half, I submitted my application to join the College of Vestals. At the time, Nova Roma had just one Vestal, my friend, Lucia Modia Lupa. The happiest day I have ever experienced in Nova Roma was January 11, 2006 when Quintus Caecilius Metellus issued the Decreta Pontificum that announced that I was accepted as Sacerdos Vestalis. The saddest day in Nova Roma, for me, was when Lucia Modia Lupa had to retire as a Vestal, as her real life struggles to recover from the havoc Katrina had brought into her life took all her time and energy.
 
Then changes began to be made and there was progress going on with the Collegium Pontificum, which admitted me as a member; and a time thereafter, I became the Virgo Maxima. That was the greatest honor I have ever received.
 
Now, to become a Vestal in more than just name meant changing my life in big ways, from embracing celibacy and striving for chastity in thought, word and deed, to always speaking the truth or saying nothing at all, to praying twice daily to Vesta, to building my own special altar to hold a continuously lit candle, to learning how to start a fire by rubbing two sticks together, to creating rituals for the various festivals of the Roman calendar in which the ancient Vestals participated in, to building an outdoor hearth. All this while still dealing with real life problems that came with caring for elderly parents, maintaining a house and a full time job; and eventually, two jobs. Added to this was my involvement in a lawsuit against my former employer, who had unjustly fired me, along with fourteen other fellow employees, for reporting illegal practices the company was involved in. We won the lawsuit, but it took years.
 
Even with all these changes, when I was made the Vestale Maxima, I felt I had to do more. I began working at creating a website to honor Vesta which I wanted to have not only a virtual Temple of Vesta, but a virtual Forum, too. A young woman who had once subscribed to the ML (but after witnessing flame war after flame war, she unsubscribed) offered to help me. We became good friends and she expressed a strong desire to serve Vesta, too.
 
I had been very active in some local pagan groups and every chance I got, I brought up my new devotion to Vesta. From these groups came forth another young woman who told me she shared a strong desire to serve Vesta as well. I decided to open up my house to these two women and train them as Vestals, passing on to them all I had learned in my studies and helping them to initiate studies of their own, and so they moved in with me. 
 
Then, through some real life changes that happened to all three of us, which included the passing away of my father, we moved to a house which came with a big fireplace and I had it converted into an indoor hearth. We brought the outdoor hearth built at the old house with us to the new house (and that was no easy feat). Now, with an indoor hearth, we could keep a small fire continuously lit, which we began doing on the first of this year. We have set up a schedule wherein we each take turns watching over the fire in shifts. We use the outdoor hearth for public rituals, of which we have had three so far, with a small group of pagan friends in attendance. Nothing big yet, but it's a start.
 
I still have two jobs. One of my apprentices also has a full time job while the other is half way through college and has a part time job. Our ultimate goal is to one day move to Rome to live there permanently. However, I would like to built a Temple to Vesta here in the US. I have no idea if I will succeed in either of these goals, but I am determined and trying as best I can. 
 
I have no desire to attain high status in the world or to achieve fame or be given positions of authority or to accumulate vast amounts of wealth. My goal in life is to serve Vesta, and all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma, and to bring to fruition our noble goal - to recreate the greatness that was Rome in our own respublica - Nova Roma. I have committed my life to it.
 
And I will defend Nova Roma against any I perceive who threaten her present existence and future success. Nova Roma is here and now, already an actuality and growing every day. You may find all that I have said hard to understand, but that may be because this is not a game to me. Nova Roma is my life.
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis
 
"Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."
"Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."
 
 

--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:14 PM

LOL!!!!

How awesome is this! This is almost as good as making Aurelianus (virtually) vomit.

Let me educate you about me.

In my 37 years of life I have been very pleased with what I have accomplished. I have two Masters Degrees (MBA and Education). I have a Bachelors Degree in Political Science and a Paralegal's Degree.

Most of my 20s were spent in college.

Over 4 years ago I moved to AZ, in that time I went from having nothing of value, living with my sister, after my apartment break-ins and the death of my kitten. In a dramatic two years I bought a home, purchased the furnishings of my home AND spend $20k on my dream vacation to Israel.

I have positions of responsibility and authority in both of the jobs that I own. Comptroller of a construction company in Phoenix and a college professor. I am authorized to sign for contracts, waivers, accounting, payroll, benefits and am a notary public for the state of Arizona. I have passed checks and investigations. I have been the President of a conglomerate (Taurus Communications) .

You might think I am a cancer, but I have been nominated for Who's Who in Phoenix. You might think I am a cancer, but I am responsible for running a multi-million dollar business. You might think I am a cancer, but I regularly teach 6-8 COLLEGE classes at a time.

In other words, to say it politely, your opinion means nothing. Especially compared to what I have accomplished in my life.

Now, Vestal, lets see your CV?

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, violetphearsen@ ... wrote:
>
>
>
> Do you not know what a metaphor is, Sulla? I shall explain it to you: "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance. "
> �
> You do indeed�resemble a creeping cancer eagerly tearing away at the very fabric of Nova Roma. By every word you write, you pollute the main list with vile and negativity. Your every act, or threatened action, creates a miasma of noxious fumes and the stench sickens all. Yes, like a cancer that once disappeared, you have returned again and your goal, it would seem, is to kill Nova Roma. Who else has threatened our Nova Roma with a lawsuit and parades email after email supposedly from an attorney general on this list, with no less an intention that to disband Nova Roma?
> Sulla, you are a sad specimen of a man.
> If you want to threaten me, insult me, make jokes at my expense, go right ahead. Please, continue to show all Nova Romans the true caliber of your person. Don't stop on my account.
> �
> Yes, Citizens, I am a Vestal and the Virgo Maxima, too. As such, I have sworn to always speak the truth and I have. This man engages in tactics of divisiveness, spewing animosity, displaying utter contemptuousness for any citizen, even the Virgo Maxima, for daring to tell the truth of what he really is. With his doublespeak, he tries to ensnare and mislead. Fortunately for us,�the Gods know what he really�is. You can pretend before men, Sulla, but Vesta knows the truth of my words.
> �
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
> �
>
> --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@... > wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@... >
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:33 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Better to be a cancer than a law breaker!
>
> Better to be a cancer than a friend of a law breaker
>
> Better to be a cancer than a friend to a neo-nazi and who appointed a neo-nazi to the Senate of Nova Roma!
>
> Better to be a cancer than a panderer.
>
> Better to be a cancer - than to show a complete lack of dignitas and judgement (azresident. mee.nu/warning) .
>
> And, this ladies and gentlemen is our Vestal! Are you a medical professional that has personally diagnosed me with some type of cancer that my Dr. has missed? Or is this just an opinion?
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > I said it before and I will say it again - Sulla is a cancer on Nova Roma.
> > �
> > �
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...>
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:04 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The opinion of someone who quit NR for nearly five years with no communication.
> > When he returned he posted numerous posts that were aggravating, insulting, and useless.
> > The first person in the history of NR to begin a lawsuit when he did not get his way.
> > Someone who contnues to use the threat of legal action to accomplish his goals; whatever the hell they are.
> > Someone who doesn't contribute to the Sacra et Religio but feels he is qualified to criticize the members of the�CP.
> > An empty wine sack full of fumes and dregs of better days.
> > Put them all together it spells S-U-L-L-A, a word that means excrement to me.
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@yahoo. com>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:53 am
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You know the answer to that, already.
> >
> > Xtian pontiffs.
> > near lawsuit before - most likely to happen again if Modianus because censor
> > Declining NR organization.
> > Magistrates and their subordinates who have no respect for the law
> >
> > Need I go on?
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Are you truly willing to join up with someone who has tried to create other
> > > > organizations that competed and tried to subvert Nova Roma? If so, why?
> > >
> > > Uh, you yourself are *currently* involved in an effort to create another
> > > organization that competes with Nova Roma.
> > >
> > > Not that there's anything wrong with that (I'm involved too, peripherally) .
> > >
> > > But how can you criticize someone else for doing a thing in the past while
> > > you're doing exactly the same right now?
> > >
> > > O.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com!
> >
>


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65738 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
I just want to say this is the single most accurate portayal of Sulla I've ever read.

Well done!

Sulla is the biggest reason I left NR. His penchant for litigation(and the unwillinness for NR officials to oppose these heinous actions) gives me due cause to stay out of this organization. I, like others who left because of this odious person, have just had enough of this nonsense. I am unsure if I will ever comeback to NR, but if Sulla is expelled but I'd certainly consider it, as would others I'm sure.

I'm currently in SVR and even though it isn't as active as NR it's certainly more reasonable and less annoying. I find it a welcome oasis.

-Anna
(goes back to lurking)


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salvéte omnes,
>
> Commentary on Sulla
>
> Senator Sulla demonstrates a glibness and superficial charm but more and more Nova Roma citizens are recognizing it, and as evidenced on the ML, our fellow citizens are voicing their negative opinions of Sulla.
> Sulla has also demonstrated on the ML manipulative and conning behavior time after time on the ML. He demonstrates a failure to recognize the needs of others and appears to believe his self serving behaviors are acceptable. Sulla tries to convey a charming outward experience but it soon is discovered that under that friable veneer he further demonstrates ranting and raving hostility in what appears to be an attempt at a very domineering demeanor in an effort to humiliate his targets.
> Sulla may also assert that this particular commentary is a rant but in reality it is composed – as a methodical assessment and with a stoic mien. Of course those, such as Sulla, who are given to extreme outbursts and ranting, raving manic behavior usually read others comments in this way indicating the lack of impulse and behavioral controls which colors their own comments. Sulla behavior demonstrates that he believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, and has little sense of personal boundaries and no concern for his impact on others.
> Sulla demonstrates on the ML what appears to be a grandiose sense of self, he appears to believe his long time, spotty and questionable association with Nova Roma entitles him to certain privileges as his *right* above and over any other citizens. For example the right to impinge on others rights with his constant spewing of spin and deception in order to halt the progress of our respublica.
> Sulla is always looking back or looking to destroy rather than looking to the future and the progress and success of Nova Roma and her citizens.
> Sulla also demonstrates on the ML the ability to alter the truth to his own machinations; this may be perceived as lying. Sulla demonstrates that he has created and has gotten caught up in what appears to be a complex belief about his own powers and abilities.
> Sulla has also demonstrated on the ML what appears to be an inability to show any remorse, shame or guilt. As evidenced on the ML he sees others who disagree with him, make comments about his behavior or dare to question him as targets and opportunities to ply his trade of malicious intent. From what is also evidenced on the MLs his so-called friends, or accomplices, often becomes his victims. But then Sulla has stated in the Back Alley that net friendships are not like *real* friendships. Sulla has demonstrated that the end justifies the means and he will let nothing and no one, not even the Respublica, stand in his way.
> Sulla has said he wants to take down Nova Roma and even now threatens with another lawsuit to achieve his malicious agenda twisting and turning the law to his own benefit. Sulla himself in the Back Alley recently announced that all warfare is deception. That is a clear view into his motives and personality and I wonder if he is gleefully looking towards the Civil War he mentioned. He wants Nova Roma, and her citizens, to suffer the consequences; *his* consequences.
> Sulla demonstrates any emotions he appears to have are shallow and feigned and serves an ulterior and malicious motive. Sulla also demonstrates callousness and a lack of empathy. Sulla demonstrates an unusual need for stimulation with his verbal outbursts, provocations and the need to be "heard"; the need for attention. It appears that Sulla uses his money to make friends (brags about paying others taxes) and hires Attorneys using these *assets* to fight the battles he stokes the fire under so he will not expose himself to any personal confrontation.
> The truly funny thing is Sulla calls others crude and disparaging names, giving honored citizens disrespectful nicknames when really he is the one worthy of such which, for ascribed to him, are truths.
> This strongly indicates the kind of person Sulla is and that, my fellow citizens, is not a nice picture.
> Everything I say here can be demonstrated and found in the various Nova Roma mailing lists and in the Back Alley, look it up if you have a shadow of a doubt.
> All the above may make him a very good Role Player and also fits the description of a parasitic Troll, but not a citizen who I would trust to represent me in Nova Roma's Senate or anywhere for that matter.
>
> Cúráte ut valéatis atque di vos incolumes custodiant.
>
> L. Julia Aquila
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >
> > LOL!!!!
> >
> > How awesome is this! This is almost as good as making Aurelianus (virtually) vomit.
> >
> > Let me educate you about me.
> >
> > In my 37 years of life I have been very pleased with what I have accomplished. I have two Masters Degrees (MBA and Education). I have a Bachelors Degree in Political Science and a Paralegal's Degree.
> >
> > Most of my 20s were spent in college.
> >
> > Over 4 years ago I moved to AZ, in that time I went from having nothing of value, living with my sister, after my apartment break-ins and the death of my kitten. In a dramatic two years I bought a home, purchased the furnishings of my home AND spend $20k on my dream vacation to Israel.
> >
> > I have positions of responsibility and authority in both of the jobs that I own. Comptroller of a construction company in Phoenix and a college professor. I am authorized to sign for contracts, waivers, accounting, payroll, benefits and am a notary public for the state of Arizona. I have passed checks and investigations. I have been the President of a conglomerate (Taurus Communications).
> >
> > You might think I am a cancer, but I have been nominated for Who's Who in Phoenix. You might think I am a cancer, but I am responsible for running a multi-million dollar business. You might think I am a cancer, but I regularly teach 6-8 COLLEGE classes at a time.
> >
> > In other words, to say it politely, your opinion means nothing. Especially compared to what I have accomplished in my life.
> >
> > Now, Vestal, lets see your CV?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, violetphearsen@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you not know what a metaphor is, Sulla? I shall explain it to you: "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance."
> > > �
> > > You do indeed�resemble a creeping cancer eagerly tearing away at the very fabric of Nova Roma. By every word you write, you pollute the main list with vile and negativity. Your every act, or threatened action, creates a miasma of noxious fumes and the stench sickens all. Yes, like a cancer that once disappeared, you have returned again and your goal, it would seem, is to kill Nova Roma. Who else has threatened our Nova Roma with a lawsuit and parades email after email supposedly from an attorney general on this list, with no less an intention that to disband Nova Roma?
> > > Sulla, you are a sad specimen of a man.
> > > If you want to threaten me, insult me, make jokes at my expense, go right ahead. Please, continue to show all Nova Romans the true caliber of your person. Don't stop on my account.
> > > �
> > > Yes, Citizens, I am a Vestal and the Virgo Maxima, too. As such, I have sworn to always speak the truth and I have. This man engages in tactics of divisiveness, spewing animosity, displaying utter contemptuousness for any citizen, even the Virgo Maxima, for daring to tell the truth of what he really is. With his doublespeak, he tries to ensnare and mislead. Fortunately for us,�the Gods know what he really�is. You can pretend before men, Sulla, but Vesta knows the truth of my words.
> > > �
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > > �
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:33 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a law breaker!
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a friend of a law breaker
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a friend to a neo-nazi and who appointed a neo-nazi to the Senate of Nova Roma!
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a panderer.
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer - than to show a complete lack of dignitas and judgement (azresident. mee.nu/warning) .
> > >
> > > And, this ladies and gentlemen is our Vestal! Are you a medical professional that has personally diagnosed me with some type of cancer that my Dr. has missed? Or is this just an opinion?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I said it before and I will say it again - Sulla is a cancer on Nova Roma.
> > > > �
> > > > �
> > > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:04 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The opinion of someone who quit NR for nearly five years with no communication.
> > > > When he returned he posted numerous posts that were aggravating, insulting, and useless.
> > > > The first person in the history of NR to begin a lawsuit when he did not get his way.
> > > > Someone who contnues to use the threat of legal action to accomplish his goals; whatever the hell they are.
> > > > Someone who doesn't contribute to the Sacra et Religio but feels he is qualified to criticize the members of the�CP.
> > > > An empty wine sack full of fumes and dregs of better days.
> > > > Put them all together it spells S-U-L-L-A, a word that means excrement to me.
> > > >
> > > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:53 am
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You know the answer to that, already.
> > > >
> > > > Xtian pontiffs.
> > > > near lawsuit before - most likely to happen again if Modianus because censor
> > > > Declining NR organization.
> > > > Magistrates and their subordinates who have no respect for the law
> > > >
> > > > Need I go on?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Are you truly willing to join up with someone who has tried to create other
> > > > > > organizations that competed and tried to subvert Nova Roma? If so, why?
> > > > >
> > > > > Uh, you yourself are *currently* involved in an effort to create another
> > > > > organization that competes with Nova Roma.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that there's anything wrong with that (I'm involved too, peripherally) .
> > > > >
> > > > > But how can you criticize someone else for doing a thing in the past while
> > > > > you're doing exactly the same right now?
> > > > >
> > > > > O.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > > > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> > > > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65739 From: Steve Moore Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote for Modianus

M. Valerius Potitus T. Iulio Sabino SPD.

 

An evening spent reading the Maine statutes will show you where we are not in compliance. One example is that we have not held an annual meeting, online or otherwise. Another example is that we do not mail notification of elections. If I, an ordinary citizen, can figure this out, then I suspect that my betters (who have all the secret information within the Seal) must also know it. So when a Senator tells me we are in compliance, I do not believe it—because I have read the law.

 

It’s amazing to me how many citizens take the word of others without looking into it themselves.

 

Vale.

 


From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Titus Iulius Sabinus
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:17 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote for Modianus

 




SALVE ET SALVETE!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Steve Moore" <astrobear@. ..> wrote:

> 2. He denies reality, and even now affirms that Nova Roma is in compliance
with the laws of the State of Maine. >>>

You don't have enough information to judge that. More than that, you don't want to take in consideration the NR CFO recent post and to accept that, at the end, the NR CFO has a more detailed picture about the subject than most of us, more credibility based by her professionalism demonstrated in the last two years of hard work ordering the NR finances.

It's amazing for me to see how some people jump in other people words, without discernment, sustaining a theory only to demonstrate their strong adherence to something and without taking in consideration the consequences of these uninspired actions.

VALE ET VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65740 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
Salve Maxima Valeria,

Now that is an impressive Vitae!

Di te incolumem custodiant!

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, violetphearsen@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> You have no right to tell me, nor any other Nova Roman, that our opinions do not count. Every person here is entitled to his or her opinion, whether you like it or not.
> You speak of material things. I speak of integrity and honesty.
> If you are a man of such accomplishments as you claim, then why do you not treat others here in Nova Roma with dignity and respect? Here among us you act like a loud-mouth bully, throwing tantrums whenever you don't get your way. You always have. Those are not the actions of a distinguished  and honorable man.
> As always, Sulla, your actions belie your words.
>  
> You want my CV, do you? All right.
>  
>
> I have, over the past seventeen years, developed my devotion to Vesta and to all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma. Then four and a half years ago, I discover Nova Roma. I spent about ten minutes reading everything on our website and then I applied for citizenship without any hesitation because I knew right then and there that Nova Roma was where I wanted to be for the rest of my life.
>  
> When my citizenship was granted to me, I was so very happy, but that happiness did not last long. In my first month as a new citizen in Nova Roma, I became the target of a flame war aimed directly at me by the Boni, of which you were part of, over the topic of animal sacrifice. I was almost kicked out, but cooler heads prevailed. Despite this tumultous beginning, I stayed dedicated to Nova Roma, made some good friends and kept to my studies of the Religio Romana.
>  
> After a year and a half, I submitted my application to join the College of Vestals. At the time, Nova Roma had just one Vestal, my friend, Lucia Modia Lupa. The happiest day I have ever experienced in Nova Roma was January 11, 2006 when Quintus Caecilius Metellus issued the Decreta Pontificum that announced that I was accepted as Sacerdos Vestalis. The saddest day in Nova Roma, for me, was when Lucia Modia Lupa had to retire as a Vestal, as her real life struggles to recover from the havoc Katrina had brought into her life took all her time and energy.
>  
> Then changes began to be made and there was progress going on with the Collegium Pontificum, which admitted me as a member; and a time thereafter, I became the Virgo Maxima. That was the greatest honor I have ever received.
>  
> Now, to become a Vestal in more than just name meant changing my life in big ways, from embracing celibacy and striving for chastity in thought, word and deed, to always speaking the truth or saying nothing at all, to praying twice daily to Vesta, to building my own special altar to hold a continuously lit candle, to learning how to start a fire by rubbing two sticks together, to creating rituals for the various festivals of the Roman calendar in which the ancient Vestals participated in, to building an outdoor hearth. All this while still dealing with real life problems that came with caring for elderly parents, maintaining a house and a full time job; and eventually, two jobs. Added to this was my involvement in a lawsuit against my former employer, who had unjustly fired me, along with fourteen other fellow employees, for reporting illegal practices the company was involved in. We won the lawsuit, but it took years.
>  
> Even with all these changes, when I was made the Vestale Maxima, I felt I had to do more. I began working at creating a website to honor Vesta which I wanted to have not only a virtual Temple of Vesta, but a virtual Forum, too. A young woman who had once subscribed to the ML (but after witnessing flame war after flame war, she unsubscribed) offered to help me. We became good friends and she expressed a strong desire to serve Vesta, too.
>  
> I had been very active in some local pagan groups and every chance I got, I brought up my new devotion to Vesta. From these groups came forth another young woman who told me she shared a strong desire to serve Vesta as well. I decided to open up my house to these two women and train them as Vestals, passing on to them all I had learned in my studies and helping them to initiate studies of their own, and so they moved in with me. 
>  
> Then, through some real life changes that happened to all three of us, which included the passing away of my father, we moved to a house which came with a big fireplace and I had it converted into an indoor hearth. We brought the outdoor hearth built at the old house with us to the new house (and that was no easy feat). Now, with an indoor hearth, we could keep a small fire continuously lit, which we began doing on the first of this year. We have set up a schedule wherein we each take turns watching over the fire in shifts. We use the outdoor hearth for public rituals, of which we have had three so far, with a small group of pagan friends in attendance. Nothing big yet, but it's a start.
>  
> I still have two jobs. One of my apprentices also has a full time job while the other is half way through college and has a part time job. Our ultimate goal is to one day move to Rome to live there permanently. However, I would like to built a Temple to Vesta here in the US. I have no idea if I will succeed in either of these goals, but I am determined and trying as best I can. 
>  
> I have no desire to attain high status in the world or to achieve fame or be given positions of authority or to accumulate vast amounts of wealth. My goal in life is to serve Vesta, and all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma, and to bring to fruition our noble goal - to recreate the greatness that was Rome in our own respublica - Nova Roma. I have committed my life to it.
>  
> And I will defend Nova Roma against any I perceive who threaten her present existence and future success. Nova Roma is here and now, already an actuality and growing every day. You may find all that I have said hard to understand, but that may be because this is not a game to me. Nova Roma is my life.
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>  
>
> "Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."
> "Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."

>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65741 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Salvete;

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Matt Hucke wrote:
> [excision]
> Better for the entire election to be cancelled and the field thrown open to
> *all* eligible candidates, for an election another month from now.
> [excision]
>
> O.
> OVTSIDE THE ASYLVM,
> OBSERVING THE LVNATICS.
>

I think this to be a reasonable compromise.

=====================================
In amicitia et fide
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.

May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65742 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Ave Agricola;

If I may?

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 7:27 PM, M. Lucretius Agricola wrote:
>
> [excision]
> The meaning of "consecutive" has remained stable in standard English usage
> for five centuries. No other interpretation is possible of the English words
> used.
>
> [excision]
>
> Agricola
>

The usage of terms in Standard English do not seem to me to apply to a
recreation - reconstruction of a Roman (id est, non-Germanic) system
of policy and polity. (We do list our calendar as being in the 28th
century AUC, do we not?)

Regardless of the lettering within the Law as interpreted in
non-Latinate languages; it appears to me that the Terms of Office are
consecutive, regardless of the entity who holds place therein. It
seems overweening to me that the Term of Office itself is the defining
stricture, not the being carrying he burden thereof.

=====================================
In amicitia et fide
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.

May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65743 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
M.Hortensia Vigoni Maximae spd;
it is virtus, it is true pietas, it is what Nova Roma is all about.
Maior
>
> Salve Maxima Valeria,
>
> Now that is an impressive Vitae!
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant!
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, violetphearsen@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You have no right to tell me, nor any other Nova Roman, that our opinions do not count. Every person here is entitled to his or her opinion, whether you like it or not.
> > You speak of material things. I speak of integrity and honesty.
> > If you are a man of such accomplishments as you claim, then why do you not treat others here in Nova Roma with dignity and respect? Here among us you act like a loud-mouth bully, throwing tantrums whenever you don't get your way. You always have. Those are not the actions of a distinguished  and honorable man.
> > As always, Sulla, your actions belie your words.
> >  
> > You want my CV, do you? All right.
> >  
> >
> > I have, over the past seventeen years, developed my devotion to Vesta and to all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma. Then four and a half years ago, I discover Nova Roma. I spent about ten minutes reading everything on our website and then I applied for citizenship without any hesitation because I knew right then and there that Nova Roma was where I wanted to be for the rest of my life.
> >  
> > When my citizenship was granted to me, I was so very happy, but that happiness did not last long. In my first month as a new citizen in Nova Roma, I became the target of a flame war aimed directly at me by the Boni, of which you were part of, over the topic of animal sacrifice. I was almost kicked out, but cooler heads prevailed. Despite this tumultous beginning, I stayed dedicated to Nova Roma, made some good friends and kept to my studies of the Religio Romana.
> >  
> > After a year and a half, I submitted my application to join the College of Vestals. At the time, Nova Roma had just one Vestal, my friend, Lucia Modia Lupa. The happiest day I have ever experienced in Nova Roma was January 11, 2006 when Quintus Caecilius Metellus issued the Decreta Pontificum that announced that I was accepted as Sacerdos Vestalis. The saddest day in Nova Roma, for me, was when Lucia Modia Lupa had to retire as a Vestal, as her real life struggles to recover from the havoc Katrina had brought into her life took all her time and energy.
> >  
> > Then changes began to be made and there was progress going on with the Collegium Pontificum, which admitted me as a member; and a time thereafter, I became the Virgo Maxima. That was the greatest honor I have ever received.
> >  
> > Now, to become a Vestal in more than just name meant changing my life in big ways, from embracing celibacy and striving for chastity in thought, word and deed, to always speaking the truth or saying nothing at all, to praying twice daily to Vesta, to building my own special altar to hold a continuously lit candle, to learning how to start a fire by rubbing two sticks together, to creating rituals for the various festivals of the Roman calendar in which the ancient Vestals participated in, to building an outdoor hearth. All this while still dealing with real life problems that came with caring for elderly parents, maintaining a house and a full time job; and eventually, two jobs. Added to this was my involvement in a lawsuit against my former employer, who had unjustly fired me, along with fourteen other fellow employees, for reporting illegal practices the company was involved in. We won the lawsuit, but it took years.
> >  
> > Even with all these changes, when I was made the Vestale Maxima, I felt I had to do more. I began working at creating a website to honor Vesta which I wanted to have not only a virtual Temple of Vesta, but a virtual Forum, too. A young woman who had once subscribed to the ML (but after witnessing flame war after flame war, she unsubscribed) offered to help me. We became good friends and she expressed a strong desire to serve Vesta, too.
> >  
> > I had been very active in some local pagan groups and every chance I got, I brought up my new devotion to Vesta. From these groups came forth another young woman who told me she shared a strong desire to serve Vesta as well. I decided to open up my house to these two women and train them as Vestals, passing on to them all I had learned in my studies and helping them to initiate studies of their own, and so they moved in with me. 
> >  
> > Then, through some real life changes that happened to all three of us, which included the passing away of my father, we moved to a house which came with a big fireplace and I had it converted into an indoor hearth. We brought the outdoor hearth built at the old house with us to the new house (and that was no easy feat). Now, with an indoor hearth, we could keep a small fire continuously lit, which we began doing on the first of this year. We have set up a schedule wherein we each take turns watching over the fire in shifts. We use the outdoor hearth for public rituals, of which we have had three so far, with a small group of pagan friends in attendance. Nothing big yet, but it's a start.
> >  
> > I still have two jobs. One of my apprentices also has a full time job while the other is half way through college and has a part time job. Our ultimate goal is to one day move to Rome to live there permanently. However, I would like to built a Temple to Vesta here in the US. I have no idea if I will succeed in either of these goals, but I am determined and trying as best I can. 
> >  
> > I have no desire to attain high status in the world or to achieve fame or be given positions of authority or to accumulate vast amounts of wealth. My goal in life is to serve Vesta, and all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma, and to bring to fruition our noble goal - to recreate the greatness that was Rome in our own respublica - Nova Roma. I have committed my life to it.
> >  
> > And I will defend Nova Roma against any I perceive who threaten her present existence and future success. Nova Roma is here and now, already an actuality and growing every day. You may find all that I have said hard to understand, but that may be because this is not a game to me. Nova Roma is my life.
> >  
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis
> >  
> >
> > "Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."
> > "Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."
>
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65744 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Citizen application handling
Citizen application handling A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    It seems that the workings of the censors’ office are so shrouded in mystery that citizens are persisting in the mistaken notion that the censor handles each and every citizenship application.  Please be advised that the censores do not soil their patties with this; the chief scribae assign the applicants to other scribae for processing, and normally a given scriba manages the application process for any individual prospective citizen from the time of application to the completion of the tirocinium and passing of the citizenship examination.  The censors are called upon when an unusual name must be approved, or some other circumstance requires their intervention.  Thus it is that citizens who applied even during the censura of a censor whose election or candidacy was questioned would not suffer the indignity of having the validity of his/her/their citizenship questioned, unless possibly the censor in question had intervened.  That is quite rare, but in any case we operate on the principle of ex opere operato, not ex opere operantis.  The process confers validity, not the one who performs it.  

Valete.   
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65745 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Our laws are in English. If we followed ancient tradition, Paulinus would have resigned with Laenas. But Paulinus specifically stood on our laws as the justification of his retention of the office, as is fully his right to do. There is no doubt that if elected, Modianus' term will follow his earlier term, but not follow it consecutively.

If the drafters of the lex had meant to say "no person shall hold this office for a second time", or "no person having completed a full term of this office shall candidate for it again", or any other similar formulation, they did not say that. They could have, but they didn't. They used a word that can *only* mean "follow *in* *uninterrupted* *succession*".

MLA


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Agricola;
>
> If I may?
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 7:27 PM, M. Lucretius Agricola wrote:
> >
> > [excision]
> > The meaning of "consecutive" has remained stable in standard English usage
> > for five centuries. No other interpretation is possible of the English words
> > used.
> >
> > [excision]
> >
> > Agricola
> >
>
> The usage of terms in Standard English do not seem to me to apply to a
> recreation - reconstruction of a Roman (id est, non-Germanic) system
> of policy and polity. (We do list our calendar as being in the 28th
> century AUC, do we not?)
>
> Regardless of the lettering within the Law as interpreted in
> non-Latinate languages; it appears to me that the Terms of Office are
> consecutive, regardless of the entity who holds place therein. It
> seems overweening to me that the Term of Office itself is the defining
> stricture, not the being carrying he burden thereof.
>
> =====================================
> In amicitia et fide
> Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
>
> May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
> May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
> May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65746 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Big nose (was: something completely the same)
L. Coruncanius Cato omn. spd.

Oh guys. This reminds me "Brian's Life" and the big nose issue. Minor, maior... you are always thinking about the same thing, uh?

LOL

Di vos incolumem custodiant.
--
L. Coruncanius Cato
Aedilis Curulis
Scriba Consulis Hispaniae

--- El vie, 22/5/09, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> escribió:

De: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: viernes, 22 mayo, 2009 1:19

Caesar Catoni SPD

Correct, Major and Minor. Used at my prep school and boarding school.

Optime vale

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@.. .> wrote:
>
> Cato Catoni sal.
>
> Salve!
>
> It's an old English boarding school practice; when two people have the same last name the older is called "Maior" and the younger is called "Minor" or something like that. I believe Sulla is using a form of this.
>
> Vale!
>
> Cato
>
> P.S. - there's another Cato that I know of in the Senate, A. Tullius Marcellus Cato, who is, I think older than both of us (though probably not together). So if the three of us were together I would be "Minor" and you would be...I don't know, actually :) GEC
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_ cato@> wrote:
> >
> > L. Coruncanius Cato Equitio Catoni spd.
> >
> > As you are the only other Cato I know... I must ask... do you know who is your friend talking to?
> >
> > Di vos incolumem custodiant.
> >
> > --
> >
> > L. Coruncanius Cato
> >
> > Aedilis Curulis
> >
> > Scriba Consulis Hispaniae
> >
>


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65747 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow night
Cn. Lentulus pontifex legatusque pro praetore Pannoniae, et Livia Plauta quaestrix Pannoniae: Quiritibus s. p. d.:


Tomorrow, citizens of Nova Roma will arrive to Budapest, Hungary, the Nova Roman Province of Pannonia that celebrates its 2000th year in this festival.

From tomorrow and during this weekend, Pannonian citizens and magistrates will have a very limited time to use internet.

With the arrival of A. Apollonius Cordus from Britannia, Flamen C. Petronius Dexter from Gallia, former Aedilis Curulis Sex. Lucilius Tutor and his dear partner from Bohemia, the series of Nova Roma events will start tomorrow afternoon, with the citizens of Pannonia.

We will visit beautiful parts of Budapest and after welcoming dinner in a restaurant, we prepare ourselves to Saturday's and Sunday's most promising and exciting programs, the big Nova Roman religious sacrifice, the celebration of Pannonia Provincia 2000th year, reenactment events like Roman wedding ceremony reconstruction, Legion, Gladiators, reconstructed Roman trial, Mithras ceremony, Roman market, theater etc. So, a LOT of fun!

I only wish your hearts, fellow citizens, be with us in Pannonia, Aquincum, with our Nova Roman guests from other provinces, and with us, Pannonians!

This was the invitation to the event, you can learn more about what will be happening if you follow the links:
--------------------------------------------------------------


Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Quiritibus s. p. d.

Quirites, my fellow citizens!

I repeat my previous announcement: an invitation to an all free Nova Roman weekend (with free accommodation and meal) in my Province Pannonia.

THE XXth FLORALIA CARNIVAL IN AQUINCUM (Hungary)

Last year, the Nova Roman province of Pannonia participated and organized the most important parts of the 19th Floralia Carnival at the ruins of the Roman Aquincum (Budapest, Hungary), organized the Museum of Aquincum:

http://www.aquincum.hu/

Photos from the XIXth Floralia with Nova Roma:

http://tinyurl.com/cnjkxk

More photos:

http://gladius.org.hu/galeria/index.php?d=floralia&pi=60

http://gladius.org.hu/galeria/index.php?d=eskuvo

We received good credits so that this year Nova Roma has got a request from the Museum of Aquincum to take part in organizing the 20th Floralia Carnival, on 23-24th May.

PROGRAMS (MAY 23-24th, Budapest)

If you are interested, please write me to the e-mail address, and we will talk about how to travel, and all the details:

cn_corn_lent@...

Programs include legionary demonstrations, Roman juridical show and trial, religious celebrations in honour of Nova Roma and the 2000th anniversary of the occupation of Pannonia by the Roman Empire, a great Roman religious ceremony and sacrifice with solemn processions between the ruins of Aquincum with all participants, three reenactor legions and civilians in Roman costume, a Mithraic ritual, gladiatorial combats, Roman market and other nice and funny shows and celebrations. You will get civilian Roman clothes to wear during the events and you can try all military equipments and accessories.

INVITATION

Pannonia Provincia of Nova Roma is glad to invite citizens of Nova Roma all over the world to visit this event and take part in the programs of Nova Roma, all for free!

ALL FREE !!!

Any Nova Roman citizen who comes to the Floralia Carnival will be guests of Pannonia Provincia, and will get free accommodation, free meal and free entrance to the territory of the ruins of Aquincum and to the Museum, and free entrance all to the Floralia Carnival programs.

All you would have to pay for is the traveling.

Two citizens announced their intention to come, but we are waiting for you, citizens. It's gonna be a a great time for Nova Romans!

I would be very honoured to welcome any citizen, especially our magistrates, priests and senators in my province as guests of Pannonia
Provincia and my Pannonian fellow-citizens.

Curate, ut valeatis, Quirites!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Legatus pro praetore Pannoniae
Pontifex etc.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65748 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Ave Agricola;

Thank you, on many levels.

benedicte - Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65749 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow nig
Salve Lentule amice;
this reminds me when Livia skyped me from the Black Sea at the Conventus, what an experience:) Have a wonderful, fantastic event, say 'quid agis' to Cordus for me, how I wish I were there. You are what Nova Roma is about, real meetings, fantastic events, rituals for the gods.
May Sol shine on you for the entire time!
may the gods favour the Pannoni and Nova Roma!
Marca Hortensia Maior

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
>
> Cn. Lentulus pontifex legatusque pro praetore Pannoniae, et Livia Plauta quaestrix Pannoniae: Quiritibus s. p. d.:
>
>
> Tomorrow, citizens of Nova Roma will arrive to Budapest, Hungary, the Nova Roman Province of Pannonia that celebrates its 2000th year in this festival.
>
> From tomorrow and during this weekend, Pannonian citizens and magistrates will have a very limited time to use internet.
>
> With the arrival of A. Apollonius Cordus from Britannia, Flamen C. Petronius Dexter from Gallia, former Aedilis Curulis Sex. Lucilius Tutor and his dear partner from Bohemia, the series of Nova Roma events will start tomorrow afternoon, with the citizens of Pannonia.
>
> We will visit beautiful parts of Budapest and after welcoming dinner in a restaurant, we prepare ourselves to Saturday's and Sunday's most promising and exciting programs, the big Nova Roman religious sacrifice, the celebration of Pannonia Provincia 2000th year, reenactment events like Roman wedding ceremony reconstruction, Legion, Gladiators, reconstructed Roman trial, Mithras ceremony, Roman market, theater etc. So, a LOT of fun!
>
> I only wish your hearts, fellow citizens, be with us in Pannonia, Aquincum, with our Nova Roman guests from other provinces, and with us, Pannonians!
>
> This was the invitation to the event, you can learn more about what will be happening if you follow the links:
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Quiritibus s. p. d.
>
> Quirites, my fellow citizens!
>
> I repeat my previous announcement: an invitation to an all free Nova Roman weekend (with free accommodation and meal) in my Province Pannonia.
>
> THE XXth FLORALIA CARNIVAL IN AQUINCUM (Hungary)
>
> Last year, the Nova Roman province of Pannonia participated and organized the most important parts of the 19th Floralia Carnival at the ruins of the Roman Aquincum (Budapest, Hungary), organized the Museum of Aquincum:
>
> http://www.aquincum.hu/
>
> Photos from the XIXth Floralia with Nova Roma:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cnjkxk
>
> More photos:
>
> http://gladius.org.hu/galeria/index.php?d=floralia&pi=60
>
> http://gladius.org.hu/galeria/index.php?d=eskuvo
>
> We received good credits so that this year Nova Roma has got a request from the Museum of Aquincum to take part in organizing the 20th Floralia Carnival, on 23-24th May.
>
> PROGRAMS (MAY 23-24th, Budapest)
>
> If you are interested, please write me to the e-mail address, and we will talk about how to travel, and all the details:
>
> cn_corn_lent@...
>
> Programs include legionary demonstrations, Roman juridical show and trial, religious celebrations in honour of Nova Roma and the 2000th anniversary of the occupation of Pannonia by the Roman Empire, a great Roman religious ceremony and sacrifice with solemn processions between the ruins of Aquincum with all participants, three reenactor legions and civilians in Roman costume, a Mithraic ritual, gladiatorial combats, Roman market and other nice and funny shows and celebrations. You will get civilian Roman clothes to wear during the events and you can try all military equipments and accessories.
>
> INVITATION
>
> Pannonia Provincia of Nova Roma is glad to invite citizens of Nova Roma all over the world to visit this event and take part in the programs of Nova Roma, all for free!
>
> ALL FREE !!!
>
> Any Nova Roman citizen who comes to the Floralia Carnival will be guests of Pannonia Provincia, and will get free accommodation, free meal and free entrance to the territory of the ruins of Aquincum and to the Museum, and free entrance all to the Floralia Carnival programs.
>
> All you would have to pay for is the traveling.
>
> Two citizens announced their intention to come, but we are waiting for you, citizens. It's gonna be a a great time for Nova Romans!
>
> I would be very honoured to welcome any citizen, especially our magistrates, priests and senators in my province as guests of Pannonia
> Provincia and my Pannonian fellow-citizens.
>
> Curate, ut valeatis, Quirites!
>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
> Legatus pro praetore Pannoniae
> Pontifex etc.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65750 From: Robert Levee Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
I believe this is the phrase which is the most important to consider here."or hold the office of censor more than twice in any five-year period.

Ap.Galerius Aurelianus


--- On Thu, 5/21/09, M. Lucretius Agricola <marcus.lucretius@...> wrote:

> From: M. Lucretius Agricola <marcus.lucretius@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: consecutive
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 9:31 PM
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
> Our laws are in English. If we followed ancient
> tradition, Paulinus would have resigned with Laenas. But
> Paulinus specifically stood on our laws as the justification
> of his retention of the office, as is fully his right to do.
> There is no doubt that if elected, Modianus' term will
> follow his earlier term, but not follow it consecutively.
>
>
>
> If the drafters of the lex had meant to say "no person
> shall hold this office for a second time", or "no
> person having completed a full term of this office shall
> candidate for it again", or any other similar
> formulation, they did not say that. They could have, but
> they didn't. They used a word that can *only* mean
> "follow *in* *uninterrupted* *succession* ".
>
>
>
> MLA
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou
> ps.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> <famila.ulleria. venii@... > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Ave Agricola;
>
> >
>
> > If I may?
>
> >
>
> > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 7:27 PM, M. Lucretius Agricola
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > [excision]
>
> > > The meaning of "consecutive" has
> remained stable in standard English usage
>
> > > for five centuries. No other interpretation is
> possible of the English words
>
> > > used.
>
> > >
>
> > > [excision]
>
> > >
>
> > > Agricola
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > The usage of terms in Standard English do not seem to
> me to apply to a
>
> > recreation - reconstruction of a Roman (id est,
> non-Germanic) system
>
> > of policy and polity. (We do list our calendar as
> being in the 28th
>
> > century AUC, do we not?)
>
> >
>
> > Regardless of the lettering within the Law as
> interpreted in
>
> > non-Latinate languages; it appears to me that the
> Terms of Office are
>
> > consecutive, regardless of the entity who holds place
> therein. It
>
> > seems overweening to me that the Term of Office itself
> is the defining
>
> > stricture, not the being carrying he burden thereof.
>
> >
>
> > ============ ========= ========= =======
>
> > In amicitia et fide
>
> > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
>
> > Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
>
> >
>
> > May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
>
> > May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
>
> > May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65751 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Citizen application handling
Cn. Iulius Caesar SPD
 
Scribes do not take action on their own authority, but with the authority of the Censor they serve. It doesn't matter if someone else pushes the buttons, that pushing is done with the authority of the Censor. If that Censor is in office with no legal authority to be so, that scribe can therefore have no authority. All authority for the actions of scribes derives from the appointing magistrate and they are simply extensions of his authority, as per the Constitution and the law.

Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:19 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Citizen application handling

A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    It seems that the workings of the censorsÂ’ office are so shrouded in mystery that citizens are persisting in the mistaken notion that the censor handles each and every citizenship application.  Please be advised that the censores do not soil their patties with this; the chief scribae assign the applicants to other scribae for processing, and normally a given scriba manages the application process for any individual prospective citizen from the time of application to the completion of the tirocinium and passing of the citizenship examination.  The censors are called upon when an unusual name must be approved, or some other circumstance requires their intervention.  Thus it is that citizens who applied even during the censura of a censor whose election or candidacy was questioned would not suffer the indignity of having the validity of his/her/their citizenship questioned, unless possibly the censor in question had intervened.  That is quite rare, but in any case we operate on the principle of ex opere operato, not ex opere operantis.  The process confers validity, not the one who performs it.  

Valete.   
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65752 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Cn. Iulius Caesar M. Lucretio Agricolae SPD

So why was Placidus required to step down as a candidate under the same circumstances? Has the approved definition of consecutive changed in the few weeks since then, or is it just that the stakes are deemed higher and Cato is standing, so suddenly consecutive no longer meant what it did for Placidus, but it has a special meaning for Modianus? How come Placidus accepted that decision but Modianus fights it?

The only credible explanation is that double standards are at work again.

Optime vale



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@...> wrote:
>
> From the Oxford English Dictionary:
>
> CONSECUTIVE
>
> 1. Following continuously; following each its predecessor in uninterrupted succession.
>
>
> ---
>
> The OED gives the above as the first definition of "consecutive". The first recorded use of the word with this meaning is dated 1611. "Consecutive" does not simply mean "following", it means following in a specific manner, that is, "continuously", without interruption.
>
> Since the censorship of Laenas intervenes, no law stands in the way of Modianus to candidate for or hold the office of censor.
>
> The meaning of "consecutive" has remained stable in standard English usage for five centuries. No other interpretation is possible of the English words used.
>
> For those who may not know, I am by training and trade an applied linguist, and as such I hold a university faculty position.
>
> The Oxford English Dictionary is the largest and most comprehensive dictionary of English and it is the gold standard for the denotation of English words.
>
> Agricola
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65753 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Modianus: legal and preferred candidate for Censor
Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.

Salve!

I am anything but dour. You'll just have to trust me on that one for now. I believe that even Maior - with whom I have dined on occasion - would admit that I am not. I am generally in quite good humor - even when I am persistent about something.

I *have* taken presumptions about my private cultus too personally at times. I *do* get a little worked up about the law, but that is because I am intensely interested in it, and see it as one of the greatest single legacies left to us by the ancient Romans. I think it is a very noble and worthwhile effort to learn how they governed themselves, and it is in the political/governmental arena that I find most of my enjoyment.

I have shown myself willing to be corrected, and not in the grumbly you-may-be-right-but-I-don't-have-to-like-it kind of way, either.

Now, my namesake, Cato <cough> the Censor was famously dour; I hope to follow his footsteps in nomenclature if not in nature :)

Vale!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65754 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Cn. Iulius Caesar M. Lucretio Agricolae SPD
 
So why was Placidus required to step down as a candidate under the same circumstances? Has the approved definition of consecutive changed in the few weeks since then, or is it just that the stakes are deemed higher and Cato is standing, so suddenly consecutive no longer meant what it did for Placidus, but it has a special meaning for Modianus? How come Placidus accepted that decision but Modianus fights it?
 
The only credible explanation is that double standards are at work again.
 
Optime vale  

Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 6:27 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] consecutive

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

CONSECUTIVE

1. Following continuously; following each its predecessor in uninterrupted succession.


---

The OED gives the above as the first definition of "consecutive". The first recorded use of the word with this meaning is dated 1611. "Consecutive" does not simply mean "following", it means following in a specific manner, that is, "continuously", without interruption.

Since the censorship of Laenas intervenes, no law stands in the way of Modianus to candidate for or hold the office of censor.

The meaning of "consecutive" has remained stable in standard English usage for five centuries. No other interpretation is possible of the English words used.

For those who may not know, I am by training and trade an applied linguist, and as such I hold a university faculty position.

The Oxford English Dictionary is the largest and most comprehensive dictionary of English and it is the gold standard for the denotation of English words.

Agricola




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65755 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
Cato Agricolae sal.

Salve!

And I agree that consecutive means exactly that. However, the argument being made is that the law refers to the terms of office. Think of it like this, instead:

TERM I: Modianus & Paulinus

TERM II: Paulinus & Laeneas, now Paulinus and _______________

Laenas left, needing a person to serve the remainder of TERM II

TERM I and TERM II are in fact consecutive.

Vale!

Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@...> wrote:
>
> From the Oxford English Dictionary:
>
> CONSECUTIVE
>
> 1. Following continuously; following each its predecessor in uninterrupted succession.
>
>
> ---
>
> The OED gives the above as the first definition of "consecutive". The first recorded use of the word with this meaning is dated 1611. "Consecutive" does not simply mean "following", it means following in a specific manner, that is, "continuously", without interruption.
>
> Since the censorship of Laenas intervenes, no law stands in the way of Modianus to candidate for or hold the office of censor.
>
> The meaning of "consecutive" has remained stable in standard English usage for five centuries. No other interpretation is possible of the English words used.
>
> For those who may not know, I am by training and trade an applied linguist, and as such I hold a university faculty position.
>
> The Oxford English Dictionary is the largest and most comprehensive dictionary of English and it is the gold standard for the denotation of English words.
>
> Agricola
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65756 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: consecutive
>
> The only credible explanation is that double standards are at work again.

...or that the time for raising the issue has passed, and there's nothing that
can be done about it now.

Really, did anyone expect a list of candidates to be revised after the edict
was published? The consuls need to stand by what they published, to save face
if nothing else.

If those who raised this issue honestly didn't notice it was a problem until
it was too late, well, that's unfortunately. But if there was a conscious
decision to hold this revelation in reserve until after the time for announcing
candidacy was closed, in the hopes of neutralizing an opponent but preventing any
of his allies from taking his place, then that's a sleazy and underhanded move,
and let the consequences be on their heads...

O.

--
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65757 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nov
Vestal,

Interesting post.

NR is your life? Seriously? NR is your life? So what would happen if NR ceased to exist? Would the purpose of your life be snuffed out and you would have no reason to live?

Is that point of view really healthy? This is a voluntary internet corporation and you place it with such importance that it is YOUR LIFE?

I did find it interesting that you and I have more in common than I thought - in regards to suing former employers. One would think that given your experience you would have more respect for following the law.

Overall an interesting post. Good luck with your college education.

And, respect and dignity are earned they are not freely given. This is not a dominate. I have taken oaths too. If we want to play the NR pointy hat comparison game I think my experience and time devoted to NR trumps yours. Having been Consul twice, Censor twice, Preator Urbanus, Quaestor, the first Nova Roman to complete the Cursus Honorum, the first Jewish Consul. First Nova Roman to complete the Lustrum of the Censorship. But, as Aurelianus says my absence for 4 years negates all that previous experience (see Aurelianus I jumped the gun on you). Nevertheless, NR is not the sum of my life. My family, my sister's family and my friends are just as important. As are my cats. As is my upcoming aliyah. The point is keeping a balance between REAL world and NR.

Do you not think that I have received the positions and respect in my jobs without having integrity and respect? Do you think I would have been Consul twice without having integrity and respect? If I did not have those things I would not be the threat that TPTB think that I am. (Well that and my name). You're problem with me is that I am blunt, abrasive, conservative to the hilt, reconstructionist, emotional and extremely vocal. Despite all of those flaws I speak what I believe to be the truth and do so adamantly and will not cease to do so.

Saying NR is your life sounds honestly, very RPGish to me. And, nice job trying to add words to my post - I am the LAST person to tell anyone that opinions do not count - You are obviously confusing me with the Praetors.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, violetphearsen@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> You have no right to tell me, nor any other Nova Roman, that our opinions do not count. Every person here is entitled to his or her opinion, whether you like it or not.
> You speak of material things. I speak of integrity and honesty.
> If you are a man of such accomplishments as you claim, then why do you not treat others here in Nova Roma with dignity and respect? Here among us you act like a loud-mouth bully, throwing tantrums whenever you don't get your way. You always have. Those are not the actions of a distinguished  and honorable man.
> As always, Sulla, your actions belie your words.
>  
> You want my CV, do you? All right.
>  
>
> I have, over the past seventeen years, developed my devotion to Vesta and to all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma. Then four and a half years ago, I discover Nova Roma. I spent about ten minutes reading everything on our website and then I applied for citizenship without any hesitation because I knew right then and there that Nova Roma was where I wanted to be for the rest of my life.
>  
> When my citizenship was granted to me, I was so very happy, but that happiness did not last long. In my first month as a new citizen in Nova Roma, I became the target of a flame war aimed directly at me by the Boni, of which you were part of, over the topic of animal sacrifice. I was almost kicked out, but cooler heads prevailed. Despite this tumultous beginning, I stayed dedicated to Nova Roma, made some good friends and kept to my studies of the Religio Romana.
>  
> After a year and a half, I submitted my application to join the College of Vestals. At the time, Nova Roma had just one Vestal, my friend, Lucia Modia Lupa. The happiest day I have ever experienced in Nova Roma was January 11, 2006 when Quintus Caecilius Metellus issued the Decreta Pontificum that announced that I was accepted as Sacerdos Vestalis. The saddest day in Nova Roma, for me, was when Lucia Modia Lupa had to retire as a Vestal, as her real life struggles to recover from the havoc Katrina had brought into her life took all her time and energy.
>  
> Then changes began to be made and there was progress going on with the Collegium Pontificum, which admitted me as a member; and a time thereafter, I became the Virgo Maxima. That was the greatest honor I have ever received.
>  
> Now, to become a Vestal in more than just name meant changing my life in big ways, from embracing celibacy and striving for chastity in thought, word and deed, to always speaking the truth or saying nothing at all, to praying twice daily to Vesta, to building my own special altar to hold a continuously lit candle, to learning how to start a fire by rubbing two sticks together, to creating rituals for the various festivals of the Roman calendar in which the ancient Vestals participated in, to building an outdoor hearth. All this while still dealing with real life problems that came with caring for elderly parents, maintaining a house and a full time job; and eventually, two jobs. Added to this was my involvement in a lawsuit against my former employer, who had unjustly fired me, along with fourteen other fellow employees, for reporting illegal practices the company was involved in. We won the lawsuit, but it took years.
>  
> Even with all these changes, when I was made the Vestale Maxima, I felt I had to do more. I began working at creating a website to honor Vesta which I wanted to have not only a virtual Temple of Vesta, but a virtual Forum, too. A young woman who had once subscribed to the ML (but after witnessing flame war after flame war, she unsubscribed) offered to help me. We became good friends and she expressed a strong desire to serve Vesta, too.
>  
> I had been very active in some local pagan groups and every chance I got, I brought up my new devotion to Vesta. From these groups came forth another young woman who told me she shared a strong desire to serve Vesta as well. I decided to open up my house to these two women and train them as Vestals, passing on to them all I had learned in my studies and helping them to initiate studies of their own, and so they moved in with me. 
>  
> Then, through some real life changes that happened to all three of us, which included the passing away of my father, we moved to a house which came with a big fireplace and I had it converted into an indoor hearth. We brought the outdoor hearth built at the old house with us to the new house (and that was no easy feat). Now, with an indoor hearth, we could keep a small fire continuously lit, which we began doing on the first of this year. We have set up a schedule wherein we each take turns watching over the fire in shifts. We use the outdoor hearth for public rituals, of which we have had three so far, with a small group of pagan friends in attendance. Nothing big yet, but it's a start.
>  
> I still have two jobs. One of my apprentices also has a full time job while the other is half way through college and has a part time job. Our ultimate goal is to one day move to Rome to live there permanently. However, I would like to built a Temple to Vesta here in the US. I have no idea if I will succeed in either of these goals, but I am determined and trying as best I can. 
>  
> I have no desire to attain high status in the world or to achieve fame or be given positions of authority or to accumulate vast amounts of wealth. My goal in life is to serve Vesta, and all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma, and to bring to fruition our noble goal - to recreate the greatness that was Rome in our own respublica - Nova Roma. I have committed my life to it.
>  
> And I will defend Nova Roma against any I perceive who threaten her present existence and future success. Nova Roma is here and now, already an actuality and growing every day. You may find all that I have said hard to understand, but that may be because this is not a game to me. Nova Roma is my life.
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>  
>
> "Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."
> "Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."
>  
>  
>
> --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:14 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> LOL!!!!
>
> How awesome is this! This is almost as good as making Aurelianus (virtually) vomit.
>
> Let me educate you about me.
>
> In my 37 years of life I have been very pleased with what I have accomplished. I have two Masters Degrees (MBA and Education). I have a Bachelors Degree in Political Science and a Paralegal's Degree.
>
> Most of my 20s were spent in college.
>
> Over 4 years ago I moved to AZ, in that time I went from having nothing of value, living with my sister, after my apartment break-ins and the death of my kitten. In a dramatic two years I bought a home, purchased the furnishings of my home AND spend $20k on my dream vacation to Israel.
>
> I have positions of responsibility and authority in both of the jobs that I own. Comptroller of a construction company in Phoenix and a college professor. I am authorized to sign for contracts, waivers, accounting, payroll, benefits and am a notary public for the state of Arizona. I have passed checks and investigations. I have been the President of a conglomerate (Taurus Communications) .
>
> You might think I am a cancer, but I have been nominated for Who's Who in Phoenix. You might think I am a cancer, but I am responsible for running a multi-million dollar business. You might think I am a cancer, but I regularly teach 6-8 COLLEGE classes at a time.
>
> In other words, to say it politely, your opinion means nothing. Especially compared to what I have accomplished in my life.
>
> Now, Vestal, lets see your CV?
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, violetphearsen@ ... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you not know what a metaphor is, Sulla? I shall explain it to you: "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance. "
> > �
> > You do indeed�resemble a creeping cancer eagerly tearing away at the very fabric of Nova Roma. By every word you write, you pollute the main list with vile and negativity. Your every act, or threatened action, creates a miasma of noxious fumes and the stench sickens all. Yes, like a cancer that once disappeared, you have returned again and your goal, it would seem, is to kill Nova Roma. Who else has threatened our Nova Roma with a lawsuit and parades email after email supposedly from an attorney general on this list, with no less an intention that to disband Nova Roma?
> > Sulla, you are a sad specimen of a man.
> > If you want to threaten me, insult me, make jokes at my expense, go right ahead. Please, continue to show all Nova Romans the true caliber of your person. Don't stop on my account.
> > �
> > Yes, Citizens, I am a Vestal and the Virgo Maxima, too. As such, I have sworn to always speak the truth and I have. This man engages in tactics of divisiveness, spewing animosity, displaying utter contemptuousness for any citizen, even the Virgo Maxima, for daring to tell the truth of what he really is. With his doublespeak, he tries to ensnare and mislead. Fortunately for us,�the Gods know what he really�is. You can pretend before men, Sulla, but Vesta knows the truth of my words.
> > �
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > �
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@ >
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:33 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Better to be a cancer than a law breaker!
> >
> > Better to be a cancer than a friend of a law breaker
> >
> > Better to be a cancer than a friend to a neo-nazi and who appointed a neo-nazi to the Senate of Nova Roma!
> >
> > Better to be a cancer than a panderer.
> >
> > Better to be a cancer - than to show a complete lack of dignitas and judgement (azresident. mee.nu/warning) .
> >
> > And, this ladies and gentlemen is our Vestal! Are you a medical professional that has personally diagnosed me with some type of cancer that my Dr. has missed? Or is this just an opinion?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I said it before and I will say it again - Sulla is a cancer on Nova Roma.
> > > �
> > > �
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:04 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The opinion of someone who quit NR for nearly five years with no communication.
> > > When he returned he posted numerous posts that were aggravating, insulting, and useless.
> > > The first person in the history of NR to begin a lawsuit when he did not get his way.
> > > Someone who contnues to use the threat of legal action to accomplish his goals; whatever the hell they are.
> > > Someone who doesn't contribute to the Sacra et Religio but feels he is qualified to criticize the members of the�CP.
> > > An empty wine sack full of fumes and dregs of better days.
> > > Put them all together it spells S-U-L-L-A, a word that means excrement to me.
> > >
> > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@yahoo. com>
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:53 am
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You know the answer to that, already.
> > >
> > > Xtian pontiffs.
> > > near lawsuit before - most likely to happen again if Modianus because censor
> > > Declining NR organization.
> > > Magistrates and their subordinates who have no respect for the law
> > >
> > > Need I go on?
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Are you truly willing to join up with someone who has tried to create other
> > > > > organizations that competed and tried to subvert Nova Roma? If so, why?
> > > >
> > > > Uh, you yourself are *currently* involved in an effort to create another
> > > > organization that competes with Nova Roma.
> > > >
> > > > Not that there's anything wrong with that (I'm involved too, peripherally) .
> > > >
> > > > But how can you criticize someone else for doing a thing in the past while
> > > > you're doing exactly the same right now?
> > > >
> > > > O.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> > > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com!
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65758 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
Salve, Virgo Maxima,
 
I honor you, Domina, profoundly and publicly, for your dedication and your steadfastness.  During my entire time in NR, I have seen nothing from you but determination, dedication, piety and love, and these things, while they won't increase your bank balance or your standing in the material world, are precious beyond price.
 
Besides, you are willing to foster orphan kittens, :).
 
With deepest respect and regard,
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65759 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Re: [Nova-Roma] Citizen application handling

  
A.  Tullia Scholastica Cn. Iulio Caesari quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

            Question:  Is TGP in office illegally?  All scribae in the censors’ office have been appointed by him, and were jointly appointed by Laenas, so all applications, or at least those processed after Laenas’ departure, would be void if TGP is in office illegally...as he would be under the ancient customs, if I am not mistaken.  Otherwise, we may proceed on the assumption that these routine duties may continue  without question as to their validity.  There is also the matter that the rogatores are independently elected, and are supposed to stand in for the censores in their absence; we don’t want TGP to soil his manicured hands, much less his lovely and pricey new purple censorial toga, so we ink-stained wretches take care of these matters.

            Back to correcting exams after a brief excursion or two...quake in your boots, discipuli!  

Vale, et valete.  
 

Cn. Iulius Caesar SPD

Scribes do not take action on their own authority, but with the authority of the Censor they serve. It doesn't matter if someone else pushes the buttons, that pushing is done with the authority of the Censor. If that Censor is in office with no legal authority to be so, that scribe can therefore have no authority. All authority for the actions of scribes derives from the appointing magistrate and they are simply extensions of his authority, as per the Constitution and the law.

From: A. Tullia Scholastica <mailto:fororom@...>  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:19 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Citizen application handling

A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    It seems that the workings of the censors’ office are so shrouded in mystery that citizens are persisting in the mistaken notion that the censor handles each and every citizenship application.  Please be advised that the censores do not soil their patties with this; the chief scribae assign the applicants to other scribae for processing, and normally a given scriba manages the application process for any individual prospective citizen from the time of application to the completion of the tirocinium and passing of the citizenship examination.  The censors are called upon when an unusual name must be approved, or some other circumstance requires their intervention.  Thus it is that citizens who applied even during the censura of a censor whose election or candidacy was questioned would not suffer the indignity of having the validity of his/her/their citizenship questioned, unless possibly the censor in question had intervened.  That is quite rare, but in any case we operate on the principle of ex opere operato, not ex opere operantis.  The process confers validity, not the one who performs it.  

Valete.    
  
    

     
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65760 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Re: [Nova-Roma] Citizen application handling
Caesar Scholasticae SPD
 
No TGP is not in office illegally as we don't follow "ancient customs", but the law. What you do in respect of citizenship applications is done under his authority as well. For the moment you are ok. If Modianus runs and becomes Censor illegally, then the next year when the new Consul takes office any joint edict would be invalid. Between then and now only non-collegiate actions would be permissible and that means TGP would have to authorize everything, in order to keep things free from taint. That would raise a question over the position of scribes appointed by departed Censors (TGP & Laenas), for as of 1st January 2010 there would be one legal censor (whoever stands in December and is elected) and one illegal one (and thus no Censor at all). All reappointment edicts issued jointly at that point would be tainted. They would have to be issued by the new Censor to be free from taint, and that means that you may as well put Modianus in the closet and forget about him until the expiry of his term for all actions that don't require collegiate actions. No collegiate actions would be valid of course.
 
Optime vale 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Citizen application handling


  
A.  Tullia Scholastica Cn. Iulio Caesari quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

            Question:  Is TGP in office illegally?  All scribae in the censorsÂ’ office have been appointed by him, and were jointly appointed by Laenas, so all applications, or at least those processed after LaenasÂ’ departure, would be void if TGP is in office illegally...as he would be under the ancient customs, if I am not mistaken.  Otherwise, we may proceed on the assumption that these routine duties may continue  without question as to their validity.  There is also the matter that the rogatores are independently elected, and are supposed to stand in for the censores in their absence; we donÂ’t want TGP to soil his manicured hands, much less his lovely and pricey new purple censorial toga, so we ink-stained wretches take care of these matters.

            Back to correcting exams after a brief excursion or two...quake in your boots, discipuli!  

Vale, et valete.  


Cn. Iulius Caesar SPD

Scribes do not take action on their own authority, but with the authority of the Censor they serve. It doesn't matter if someone else pushes the buttons, that pushing is done with the authority of the Censor. If that Censor is in office with no legal authority to be so, that scribe can therefore have no authority. All authority for the actions of scribes derives from the appointing magistrate and they are simply extensions of his authority, as per the Constitution and the law.

From: A. Tullia Scholastica <mailto:fororom@...>  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:19 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Citizen application handling

A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    It seems that the workings of the censorsÂ’ office are so shrouded in mystery that citizens are persisting in the mistaken notion that the censor handles each and every citizenship application.  Please be advised that the censores do not soil their patties with this; the chief scribae assign the applicants to other scribae for processing, and normally a given scriba manages the application process for any individual prospective citizen from the time of application to the completion of the tirocinium and passing of the citizenship examination.  The censors are called upon when an unusual name must be approved, or some other circumstance requires their intervention.  Thus it is that citizens who applied even during the censura of a censor whose election or candidacy was questioned would not suffer the indignity of having the validity of his/her/their citizenship questioned, unless possibly the censor in question had intervened.  That is quite rare, but in any case we operate on the principle of ex opere operato, not ex opere operantis.  The process confers validity, not the one who performs it.  

Valete.    
  
    

     
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65761 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Poetry
Poetry A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    In light of certain comments posted on the Main List of late, I thought it prudent to post this little bit of ancient wisdom yet again, for those who fulfill the conditions of the first line do not indeed require the sort of things mentioned in the rest of that stanza.  

        Integer vitae scelerisque purus
        non eget Mauris jaculis neque arcu
        nec venenatis gravidá sagittis
        Fusce, pharetrá.  

        Sive per Syrtis iter aestuosas,
        sive facturus per inhospitalem
        Caucasum vel quae loca fabulosus
        lambit Hydaspes.

        Namque me silvá lupus in Sabiná
        dum meam canto Lalagen et ultra
        terminum curis vagor expeditis
        fugit inermem.  

        Quale portentum neque militaris
        Daunias latis alit aesculetis
        nec Jubae tellus generat, leonum
        arida nutrix.

        Pone me pigris ubi nulla campis
        arbor aestivá recreatur aurá,
        quod latus mundi nebulae malusque
        Juppiter urget;

        Pone sub curru nimium propinqui
        solis in terrá domibus negatá:
        dulce ridentem Lalagen amabo,
        dulce loquentem

            Q.  Horatius Flaccus

    A man blameless in his life and free from guilt does not need Moorish javelins or a bow or a quiver pregnant with poisoned arrows, Fuscus.  

        [Are you listening, Nova Romans?  If you were honorable, you would not require such vitriol!]  

   Whether he journeys through the seething Syrtes or the unwelcoming Caucasus or the places the fabled  Hydaspes licks.

    For while I was singing about my Lalage and wandering free from cares in the Sabine forest beyond the boundary, a wolf fled from me though I was unarmed, a portent such as neither does the warlike land of Daunus nurture in its wide oaken forests, nor does the land of Juba, arid nurse of lions, bring forth.  

    Set me down in torpid fields where no tree is refreshed by a summer breeze, or that region of the world which mists and inclement weather oppress;  set me ‘neath the chariot of a sun too close, in a land bereft of houses; I shall love Lalage, sweetly laughing/smiling, sweetly speaking.  

Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65762 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Censorial candidacy - legitimacy
C. Petronius P. Venatori s.p.d.,

> After having read through the valid debate, reviewed the Law, and
> waded through the diatribes; I have taken the decision that ". . .
> consecutive . . ." in Nova Roma's laws refers to the Term of Office,
> not to the entity therein.

You read it wrong.

There is the first sentence of the Law:

"This law shall regulate the amount of times a person may hold certain elected magistracies during a specified time period."

So as we can read the Law has for subject not a term but "to regulate the *amount of times* a person may hold certain elected magistracies..."

Ergo, your reading of the Law is not right. Consecutive is for the "times" not for the term.

This Law, for information of all, is "Lex Cornelia Iunia de definitione intervallorum magistratuum".
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Cornelia_Iunia_de_definitione_intervallorum_magistratuum_%28Nova_Roma%29

If someone has a doubt, read it, it is short.

PS: I am ready now to fly to Budapest in order to meet again Livia, to meet for the first time Cn. Lentulus and A. Cordus. And also to take part in performing the Floralia in pace deorum, in the name of Nova Roma.

Vale.
C. Petronius Dexter
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65763 From: deciusiunius Date: 2009-05-21
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Salve Aquila,

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Palladius,
>
> You said that not I.
> Century points do not concern me,
> Is that the way you view Nova Roma?
> A Game? A Role Play?

Obviously you do, that was the point. You were clearly serious that an appointment as a scribe would have any influence over someone's opinion on a matter. Yikes.

> Do you think this is funny?

Indeed I do. More the pity for you that you do not. You still don't get it. I can't help that.

> No need to answer those questions.
> Your spin has no value with me.

Spin? "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

> Those who answer for Appius insult him by not allowing him to >answer for himself, which is he is very capable of.

I'm not answering for him, I'm enjoying the show. As several people have noted, this is the silly season in Nova Roma.

Vale,

Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65764 From: Maior Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Censorial candidacy - legitimacy
M.Hortensia C. Petronio spd;
bon voyage, Dexter, have a wonderful time!
Does it seem bizarre that there is a great gathering of Nova Romans and there are people on the ML totally ignoring this and obsessing over the meaning of 'consecutive?'

There are Nova Romans like Lentulus who do; who make wonderful events, Nova Romans like Messalina who believe deeply in our res publica and is an example of piety.

And then there are those who engage in sterile argument and produce nothing.
M. Hortensia Maior
>
> PS: I am ready now to fly to Budapest in order to meet again Livia, to meet for the first time Cn. Lentulus and A. Cordus. And also to take part in performing the Floralia in pace deorum, in the name of Nova Roma.
>
> Vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65765 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Censorial candidacy - legitimacy
LOL!!

You are on the BA you know Governor Potitus and I are working on the first ever Back Alley Conventus on Halloween Weekend in Las Vegas. Though I am expecting a call back from Caesars Palace on group rates.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M.Hortensia C. Petronio spd;
> bon voyage, Dexter, have a wonderful time!
> Does it seem bizarre that there is a great gathering of Nova Romans and there are people on the ML totally ignoring this and obsessing over the meaning of 'consecutive?'
>
> There are Nova Romans like Lentulus who do; who make wonderful events, Nova Romans like Messalina who believe deeply in our res publica and is an example of piety.
>
> And then there are those who engage in sterile argument and produce nothing.
> M. Hortensia Maior
> >
> > PS: I am ready now to fly to Budapest in order to meet again Livia, to meet for the first time Cn. Lentulus and A. Cordus. And also to take part in performing the Floralia in pace deorum, in the name of Nova Roma.
> >
> > Vale.
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65766 From: D. Boyle Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Equestria Iunia Laeca M. Valerio Potito sal.

On May 21, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Steve Moore wrote:
>>>2. He denies reality, and even now affirms that Nova Roma is in
compliance with the laws of the State of Maine.<<<

Maine's Attorneys General has affirmed that Nova Roma is in compliance
with the laws of the State of Maine. This is fact and fact is reality.

Vale.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65767 From: D. Boyle Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Equestria Iunia Laeca M. Valerio Potito sal.

It seems to me from reading your posts that you are confused by the
Maine statutes. Our internal laws are currently under review by a
legislation committee that was established and assembled by our
Consuls. They are preparing a report to identify discrepancies
between our internal laws and the Maine statute in order to make them
congruent. However, for external purposes, wherever our laws do not
fit well with the Maine law, the Maine law will be used. There are no
external compliance issues.

I am sorry you wasted an evening reading the Maine statute without a
clear foundation on what you were talking about. And by the way, if
you have so much free time, you should volunteer to assist the
legislation committee if they would have you. Be productive. Actions
speak louder than words.

Vale.


On May 21, 2009, at 8:40 PM, Steve Moore wrote:
> M. Valerius Potitus T. Iulio Sabino SPD.
> An evening spent reading the Maine statutes will show you where we
> are not in compliance. One example is that we have not held an
> annual meeting, online or otherwise. Another example is that we do
> not mail notification of elections. If I, an ordinary citizen, can
> figure this out, then I suspect that my betters (who have all the
> secret information within the Seal) must also know it. So when a
> Senator tells me we are in compliance, I do not believe it—because I
> have read the law.
>
> It’s amazing to me how many citizens take the word of others without
> looking into it themselves.
>
> Vale.
>
>
>
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Titus Iulius Sabinus
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:17 AM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote for Modianus
>
>
> SALVE ET SALVETE!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Moore" <astrobear@...> wrote:
>
> > 2. He denies reality, and even now affirms that Nova Roma is in
> compliance with the laws of the State ofMaine.>>>
>
> You don't have enough information to judge that. More than that, you
> don't want to take in consideration the NR CFO recent post and to
> accept that, at the end, the NR CFO has a more detailed picture
> about the subject than most of us, more credibility based by her
> professionalism demonstrated in the last two years of hard work
> ordering the NR finances.
>
> It's amazing for me to see how some people jump in other people
> words, without discernment, sustaining a theory only to demonstrate
> their strong adherence to something and without taking in
> consideration the consequences of these uninspired actions.
>
> VALE ET VALETE,
> T. Iulius Sabinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65768 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Censorial candidacy - legitimacy
BA Conventus Program of events:

Duck the Praetor in the tank - 10 balls for $5; The Silly Edict competition; Fake Trial Contest - stupidest prosecution wins a Pointy Hat; Top 10 Reasons why Nova Roma is the only life in the Galaxy contest; Bogus election contest - all disqualified candidates welcome and finally .....Break a window and claim Nova Roman diplomatic immunity Contest - first person out of the County Jail wins.

What goes on in Vegas stays in Vegas.

Vale bene
Cn Iulius Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> LOL!!
>
> You are on the BA you know Governor Potitus and I are working on the first ever Back Alley Conventus on Halloween Weekend in Las Vegas. Though I am expecting a call back from Caesars Palace on group rates.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > M.Hortensia C. Petronio spd;
> > bon voyage, Dexter, have a wonderful time!
> > Does it seem bizarre that there is a great gathering of Nova Romans and there are people on the ML totally ignoring this and obsessing over the meaning of 'consecutive?'
> >
> > There are Nova Romans like Lentulus who do; who make wonderful events, Nova Romans like Messalina who believe deeply in our res publica and is an example of piety.
> >
> > And then there are those who engage in sterile argument and produce nothing.
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> > >
> > > PS: I am ready now to fly to Budapest in order to meet again Livia, to meet for the first time Cn. Lentulus and A. Cordus. And also to take part in performing the Floralia in pace deorum, in the name of Nova Roma.
> > >
> > > Vale.
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65769 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Censorial candidacy - legitimacy
Caesar you forgot the books too that will be for sale.

Entitled the Nova Roma Double Standard Dictionary. Authored by Marinus, Albicus, and Modianus (with citations from Maior, Dexter, Iulia, and Livia.)

Dedications written by Mugabe, Kim Jong-Il and Ahmadinejad. (Autographs are mandatory)

The cost is 10billion Zimbabwae Dollars (equals 1 dollar US).

Also you can get the complete set which is entitled, "How to fix an Election in 10 quick steps!"

Total price is 5 dollars US.

Vale,

Sulla



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar" <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> BA Conventus Program of events:
>
> Duck the Praetor in the tank - 10 balls for $5; The Silly Edict competition; Fake Trial Contest - stupidest prosecution wins a Pointy Hat; Top 10 Reasons why Nova Roma is the only life in the Galaxy contest; Bogus election contest - all disqualified candidates welcome and finally .....Break a window and claim Nova Roman diplomatic immunity Contest - first person out of the County Jail wins.
>
> What goes on in Vegas stays in Vegas.
>
> Vale bene
> Cn Iulius Caesar
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >
> > LOL!!
> >
> > You are on the BA you know Governor Potitus and I are working on the first ever Back Alley Conventus on Halloween Weekend in Las Vegas. Though I am expecting a call back from Caesars Palace on group rates.
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > M.Hortensia C. Petronio spd;
> > > bon voyage, Dexter, have a wonderful time!
> > > Does it seem bizarre that there is a great gathering of Nova Romans and there are people on the ML totally ignoring this and obsessing over the meaning of 'consecutive?'
> > >
> > > There are Nova Romans like Lentulus who do; who make wonderful events, Nova Romans like Messalina who believe deeply in our res publica and is an example of piety.
> > >
> > > And then there are those who engage in sterile argument and produce nothing.
> > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > >
> > > > PS: I am ready now to fly to Budapest in order to meet again Livia, to meet for the first time Cn. Lentulus and A. Cordus. And also to take part in performing the Floralia in pace deorum, in the name of Nova Roma.
> > > >
> > > > Vale.
> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65770 From: Steve Moore Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Salve, Laeca.

So let me see if I understand you. The problem here is not compliance but
congruance?

Let me take one example. The Maine statutes call for a non-profit
corporation to hold an annual meeting. Since NR has not held such a meeting
(online or otherwise), does this mean that NR is in compliance with Maine
law, but NR's internal laws may or may not be congruent with Maine law?

Vale,
Potitus


-----Original Message-----
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of D. Boyle
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:15 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote

Equestria Iunia Laeca M. Valerio Potito sal.

It seems to me from reading your posts that you are confused by the
Maine statutes. Our internal laws are currently under review by a
legislation committee that was established and assembled by our
Consuls. They are preparing a report to identify discrepancies
between our internal laws and the Maine statute in order to make them
congruent. However, for external purposes, wherever our laws do not
fit well with the Maine law, the Maine law will be used. There are no
external compliance issues.

I am sorry you wasted an evening reading the Maine statute without a
clear foundation on what you were talking about. And by the way, if
you have so much free time, you should volunteer to assist the
legislation committee if they would have you. Be productive. Actions
speak louder than words.

Vale.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65771 From: violetphearsen@yahoo.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of
<<--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
 
NR is your life? Seriously? NR is your life? So what would happen if NR ceased to exist? Would the purpose of your life be snuffed out and you would have no reason to live?
Is that point of view really healthy? This is a voluntary internet corporation and you place it with such importance that it is YOUR LIFE?>>
 
 
Yes, seriously, and I find that to be a very healthy point of view. 
And Nova Roma will not cease to exist no matter how hard you try to kill it. 
 

<<I did find it interesting that you and I have more in common than I thought - in regards to suing former employers. One would think that given your experience you would have more respect for following the law.>>
 
 
I have complete respect for the law. I always have and I always will, but I have no respect for those who twist the law to suit their own means, or who use the law to threaten and coerce people to do their will.
 

<<Good luck with your college education.>>
 
I finished college years ago. One of my Vestal apprentices is still in college.


<<, respect and dignity are earned they are not freely given. This is not a dominate. I have taken oaths too. If we want to play the NR pointy hat comparison game I think my experience and time devoted to NR trumps yours. Having been Consul twice, Censor twice, Preator Urbanus, Quaestor, the first Nova Roman to complete the Cursus Honorum, the first Jewish Consul. First Nova Roman to complete the Lustrum of the Censorship. But, as Aurelianus says my absence for 4 years negates all that previous experience (see Aurelianus I jumped the gun on you). Nevertheless, NR is not the sum of my life. My family, my sister's family and my friends are just as important. As are my cats. As is my upcoming aliyah. The point is keeping a balance between REAL world and NR>>
 
 
I do not need you to tell me how to balance the many facets of my life, which I do, have done and will continue to do just fine, thank you.


<<Do you not think that I have received the positions and respect in my jobs without having integrity and respect? Do you think I would have been Consul twice without having integrity and respect? If I did not have those things I would not be the threat that TPTB think that I am. (Well that and my name). You're problem with me is that I am blunt, abrasive, conservative to the hilt, reconstructionist, emotional and extremely vocal. Despite all of those flaws I speak what I believe to be the truth and do so adamantly and will not cease to do so. >>
 
If you have any integrity and respect, you certainly do not demonstrate it in Nova Roma. You certainly have shown me no respect whatsoever and I am not the only one. Your doublespeak is not truth, never has been and never will be.


<<Saying NR is your life sounds honestly, very RPGish to me.>>
 
 
You out of line saying that to me. I have never role played anything in my life and I certainly am not role playing my life as a Vestal. Nor am I role playing as a Nova Roman, but it seems to many that you are playing games with all of us.
 
 
 <<And, nice job trying to add words to my post - I am the LAST person to tell anyone that opinions do not count - You are obviously confusing me with the Praetors.>>
 
 
So, you are the last person to tell anyone that opinions do not count? Let me refresh your memory. Here is the last part of your previous post:
 
<<In other words, to say it politely, your opinion means nothing. Especially compared to what I have accomplished in my life.>>
 
 
We all have accomplishments, but most of us don't go around using our accomplishments to belittle others; nor does it give you the right to put me down. Please spare me trying to deny it. Your words are there for all to read.
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65772 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow nig
Have a wonderful and blessed time! My apprentices and I wish we could be there. We will pray that all goes well and according to plan.
 
Vale bene in pace Deorum,
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina


--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow night
To: "Nova Roma ML" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 6:37 PM


Cn. Lentulus pontifex legatusque pro praetore Pannoniae, et Livia Plauta quaestrix Pannoniae: Quiritibus s. p. d.:

Tomorrow, citizens of Nova Roma will arrive to Budapest, Hungary, the Nova Roman Province of Pannonia that celebrates its 2000th year in this festival.

From tomorrow and during this weekend, Pannonian citizens and magistrates will have a very limited time to use internet.

With the arrival of A. Apollonius Cordus from Britannia, Flamen C. Petronius Dexter from Gallia, former Aedilis Curulis Sex. Lucilius Tutor and his dear partner from Bohemia, the series of Nova Roma events will start tomorrow afternoon, with the citizens of Pannonia.

We will visit beautiful parts of Budapest and after welcoming dinner in a restaurant, we prepare ourselves to Saturday's and Sunday's most promising and exciting programs, the big Nova Roman religious sacrifice, the celebration of Pannonia Provincia 2000th year, reenactment events like Roman wedding ceremony reconstruction, Legion, Gladiators, reconstructed Roman trial, Mithras ceremony, Roman market, theater etc. So, a LOT of fun!

I only wish your hearts, fellow citizens, be with us in Pannonia, Aquincum, with our Nova Roman guests from other provinces, and with us, Pannonians!

This was the invitation to the event, you can learn more about what will be happening if you follow the links:
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Quiritibus s. p. d.

Quirites, my fellow citizens!

I repeat my previous announcement: an invitation to an all free Nova Roman weekend (with free accommodation and meal) in my Province Pannonia.

THE XXth FLORALIA CARNIVAL IN AQUINCUM (Hungary)

Last year, the Nova Roman province of Pannonia participated and organized the most important parts of the 19th Floralia Carnival at the ruins of the Roman Aquincum (Budapest, Hungary), organized the Museum of Aquincum:

http://www.aquincum .hu/

Photos from the XIXth Floralia with Nova Roma:

http://tinyurl. com/cnjkxk

More photos:

http://gladius. org.hu/galeria/ index.php? d=floralia& pi=60

http://gladius. org.hu/galeria/ index.php? d=eskuvo

We received good credits so that this year Nova Roma has got a request from the Museum of Aquincum to take part in organizing the 20th Floralia Carnival, on 23-24th May.

PROGRAMS (MAY 23-24th, Budapest)

If you are interested, please write me to the e-mail address, and we will talk about how to travel, and all the details:

cn_corn_lent@ yahoo.it

Programs include legionary demonstrations, Roman juridical show and trial, religious celebrations in honour of Nova Roma and the 2000th anniversary of the occupation of Pannonia by the Roman Empire, a great Roman religious ceremony and sacrifice with solemn processions between the ruins of Aquincum with all participants, three reenactor legions and civilians in Roman costume, a Mithraic ritual, gladiatorial combats, Roman market and other nice and funny shows and celebrations. You will get civilian Roman clothes to wear during the events and you can try all military equipments and accessories.

INVITATION

Pannonia Provincia of Nova Roma is glad to invite citizens of Nova Roma all over the world to visit this event and take part in the programs of Nova Roma, all for free!

ALL FREE !!!

Any Nova Roman citizen who comes to the Floralia Carnival will be guests of Pannonia Provincia, and will get free accommodation, free meal and free entrance to the territory of the ruins of Aquincum and to the Museum, and free entrance all to the Floralia Carnival programs.

All you would have to pay for is the traveling.

Two citizens announced their intention to come, but we are waiting for you, citizens. It's gonna be a a great time for Nova Romans!

I would be very honoured to welcome any citizen, especially our magistrates, priests and senators in my province as guests of Pannonia
Provincia and my Pannonian fellow-citizens.

Curate, ut valeatis, Quirites!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Legatus pro praetore Pannoniae
Pontifex etc.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65773 From: violetphearsen@yahoo.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
I am so sorry to hear this. No one should leave Nova Roma because of Sulla. He is not worth it. He is not Nova Roma. Nova Roma is far better than his ilk.
I really believe that Nova Roma has tremendous potential. There are many good people in Nova Roma and we need to continue to come together and work towards our mutual goal. It would be nice to do so without the distractions of the putrid tactics that plague our main list and other areas of Nova Roma, but I know that there are many good people working quietly behind the scenes and away from this list, throughout the US and in other countries. For instance, in our Nova Roma province of Pannonia, many Nova Romans are gathering for the Floralia. 
So please, no one despair. Nova Roma will still be here, and thriving, long after Sulla is gone.
 
Vale bene in pace Deorum,
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis
 

--- On Thu, 5/21/09, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:

From: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 5:27 PM

I just want to say this is the single most accurate portayal of Sulla I've ever read.

Well done!

Sulla is the biggest reason I left NR. His penchant for litigation(and the unwillinness for NR officials to oppose these heinous actions) gives me due cause to stay out of this organization. I, like others who left because of this odious person, have just had enough of this nonsense. I am unsure if I will ever comeback to NR, but if Sulla is expelled but I'd certainly consider it, as would others I'm sure.

I'm currently in SVR and even though it isn't as active as NR it's certainly more reasonable and less annoying. I find it a welcome oasis.

-Anna
(goes back to lurking)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@ ...> wrote:
>
> Salvéte omnes,
>
> Commentary on Sulla
>
> Senator Sulla demonstrates a glibness and superficial charm but more and more Nova Roma citizens are recognizing it, and as evidenced on the ML, our fellow citizens are voicing their negative opinions of Sulla.
> Sulla has also demonstrated on the ML manipulative and conning behavior time after time on the ML. He demonstrates a failure to recognize the needs of others and appears to believe his self serving behaviors are acceptable. Sulla tries to convey a charming outward experience but it soon is discovered that under that friable veneer he further demonstrates ranting and raving hostility in what appears to be an attempt at a very domineering demeanor in an effort to humiliate his targets.
> Sulla may also assert that this particular commentary is a rant but in reality it is composed – as a methodical assessment and with a stoic mien. Of course those, such as Sulla, who are given to extreme outbursts and ranting, raving manic behavior usually read others comments in this way indicating the lack of impulse and behavioral controls which colors their own comments. Sulla behavior demonstrates that he believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, and has little sense of personal boundaries and no concern for his impact on others.
> Sulla demonstrates on the ML what appears to be a grandiose sense of self, he appears to believe his long time, spotty and questionable association with Nova Roma entitles him to certain privileges as his *right* above and over any other citizens. For example the right to impinge on others rights with his constant spewing of spin and deception in order to halt the progress of our respublica.
> Sulla is always looking back or looking to destroy rather than looking to the future and the progress and success of Nova Roma and her citizens.
> Sulla also demonstrates on the ML the ability to alter the truth to his own machinations; this may be perceived as lying. Sulla demonstrates that he has created and has gotten caught up in what appears to be a complex belief about his own powers and abilities.
> Sulla has also demonstrated on the ML what appears to be an inability to show any remorse, shame or guilt. As evidenced on the ML he sees others who disagree with him, make comments about his behavior or dare to question him as targets and opportunities to ply his trade of malicious intent. From what is also evidenced on the MLs his so-called friends, or accomplices, often becomes his victims. But then Sulla has stated in the Back Alley that net friendships are not like *real* friendships. Sulla has demonstrated that the end justifies the means and he will let nothing and no one, not even the Respublica, stand in his way.
> Sulla has said he wants to take down Nova Roma and even now threatens with another lawsuit to achieve his malicious agenda twisting and turning the law to his own benefit. Sulla himself in the Back Alley recently announced that all warfare is deception. That is a clear view into his motives and personality and I wonder if he is gleefully looking towards the Civil War he mentioned. He wants Nova Roma, and her citizens, to suffer the consequences; *his* consequences.
> Sulla demonstrates any emotions he appears to have are shallow and feigned and serves an ulterior and malicious motive. Sulla also demonstrates callousness and a lack of empathy. Sulla demonstrates an unusual need for stimulation with his verbal outbursts, provocations and the need to be "heard"; the need for attention. It appears that Sulla uses his money to make friends (brags about paying others taxes) and hires Attorneys using these *assets* to fight the battles he stokes the fire under so he will not expose himself to any personal confrontation.
> The truly funny thing is Sulla calls others crude and disparaging names, giving honored citizens disrespectful nicknames when really he is the one worthy of such which, for ascribed to him, are truths.
> This strongly indicates the kind of person Sulla is and that, my fellow citizens, is not a nice picture.
> Everything I say here can be demonstrated and found in the various Nova Roma mailing lists and in the Back Alley, look it up if you have a shadow of a doubt.
> All the above may make him a very good Role Player and also fits the description of a parasitic Troll, but not a citizen who I would trust to represent me in Nova Roma's Senate or anywhere for that matter.
>
> Cúráte ut valéatis atque di vos incolumes custodiant.
>
> L. Julia Aquila
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_ sulla@> wrote:
> >
> > LOL!!!!
> >
> > How awesome is this! This is almost as good as making Aurelianus (virtually) vomit.
> >
> > Let me educate you about me.
> >
> > In my 37 years of life I have been very pleased with what I have accomplished. I have two Masters Degrees (MBA and Education). I have a Bachelors Degree in Political Science and a Paralegal's Degree.
> >
> > Most of my 20s were spent in college.
> >
> > Over 4 years ago I moved to AZ, in that time I went from having nothing of value, living with my sister, after my apartment break-ins and the death of my kitten. In a dramatic two years I bought a home, purchased the furnishings of my home AND spend $20k on my dream vacation to Israel.
> >
> > I have positions of responsibility and authority in both of the jobs that I own. Comptroller of a construction company in Phoenix and a college professor. I am authorized to sign for contracts, waivers, accounting, payroll, benefits and am a notary public for the state of Arizona. I have passed checks and investigations. I have been the President of a conglomerate (Taurus Communications) .
> >
> > You might think I am a cancer, but I have been nominated for Who's Who in Phoenix. You might think I am a cancer, but I am responsible for running a multi-million dollar business. You might think I am a cancer, but I regularly teach 6-8 COLLEGE classes at a time.
> >
> > In other words, to say it politely, your opinion means nothing. Especially compared to what I have accomplished in my life.
> >
> > Now, Vestal, lets see your CV?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, violetphearsen@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you not know what a metaphor is, Sulla? I shall explain it to you: "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance. "
> > > �
> > > You do indeed�resemble a creeping cancer eagerly tearing away at the very fabric of Nova Roma. By every word you write, you pollute the main list with vile and negativity. Your every act, or threatened action, creates a miasma of noxious fumes and the stench sickens all. Yes, like a cancer that once disappeared, you have returned again and your goal, it would seem, is to kill Nova Roma. Who else has threatened our Nova Roma with a lawsuit and parades email after email supposedly from an attorney general on this list, with no less an intention that to disband Nova Roma?
> > > Sulla, you are a sad specimen of a man.
> > > If you want to threaten me, insult me, make jokes at my expense, go right ahead. Please, continue to show all Nova Romans the true caliber of your person. Don't stop on my account.
> > > �
> > > Yes, Citizens, I am a Vestal and the Virgo Maxima, too. As such, I have sworn to always speak the truth and I have. This man engages in tactics of divisiveness, spewing animosity, displaying utter contemptuousness for any citizen, even the Virgo Maxima, for daring to tell the truth of what he really is. With his doublespeak, he tries to ensnare and mislead. Fortunately for us,�the Gods know what he really�is. You can pretend before men, Sulla, but Vesta knows the truth of my words.
> > > �
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > > �
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@>
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:33 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a law breaker!
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a friend of a law breaker
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a friend to a neo-nazi and who appointed a neo-nazi to the Senate of Nova Roma!
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a panderer.
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer - than to show a complete lack of dignitas and judgement (azresident. mee.nu/warning) .
> > >
> > > And, this ladies and gentlemen is our Vestal! Are you a medical professional that has personally diagnosed me with some type of cancer that my Dr. has missed? Or is this just an opinion?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I said it before and I will say it again - Sulla is a cancer on Nova Roma.
> > > > �
> > > > �
> > > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:04 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The opinion of someone who quit NR for nearly five years with no communication.
> > > > When he returned he posted numerous posts that were aggravating, insulting, and useless.
> > > > The first person in the history of NR to begin a lawsuit when he did not get his way.
> > > > Someone who contnues to use the threat of legal action to accomplish his goals; whatever the hell they are.
> > > > Someone who doesn't contribute to the Sacra et Religio but feels he is qualified to criticize the members of the�CP.
> > > > An empty wine sack full of fumes and dregs of better days.
> > > > Put them all together it spells S-U-L-L-A, a word that means excrement to me.
> > > >
> > > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:53 am
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You know the answer to that, already.
> > > >
> > > > Xtian pontiffs.
> > > > near lawsuit before - most likely to happen again if Modianus because censor
> > > > Declining NR organization.
> > > > Magistrates and their subordinates who have no respect for the law
> > > >
> > > > Need I go on?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Are you truly willing to join up with someone who has tried to create other
> > > > > > organizations that competed and tried to subvert Nova Roma? If so, why?
> > > > >
> > > > > Uh, you yourself are *currently* involved in an effort to create another
> > > > > organization that competes with Nova Roma.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that there's anything wrong with that (I'm involved too, peripherally) .
> > > > >
> > > > > But how can you criticize someone else for doing a thing in the past while
> > > > > you're doing exactly the same right now?
> > > > >
> > > > > O.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > > > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> > > > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65774 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Latin achievement
Latin achievement A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    I am pleased to report that all students in Grammatica Latina I have passed their final examination, and will also pass the course, though I have not yet computed the course grades.  They have persevered through a very difficult course and endured the death of the original course server along with the jury-rigged methods we have had to use to conduct our courses, and deserve congratulations for that alone.  

    In this course they have learned all five of the Latin noun declensions, the adjective and pronoun declensions, and the indicative mood of the verb in both the active and passive voices.  They have learned a good bit of vocabulary, and even touched upon idioms and modern vocabulary not included in their text.  They have learned to read simple Latin sentences and even entire paragraphs, and to translate sentences from English into Latin...a greater feat for some as they are not native English speakers.  

    The intermediate Grammatica students have finished their last assignment, and are awaiting their final examination, while the Sermo II students are working on theirs (Hor-ten-si-a, you are working on the exam, now aren’t you?), and the Sermo I class is on its final assignment before facing the ultimate music.  The Grammatica II students have learnt the supposed terrors of the Latin subjunctive and many other joys of syntax, and in early March passed from that to the reading of actual Latin texts from Roman authors:  Caesar, Cicero, and Horace, to name a few, and have been treated to Latin idioms and Latin metrics, neither of which is addressed by their text, while the Sermo students have been learning to read, write, and speak Latin.  If you are interested in doing the same, please let me know.  We expect to offer both intermediate courses and the combined Sermo course next year, though likely only one of the other two introductory courses will run unless we can locate another instructor.   

Vale, et valete.  

 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65775 From: Christer Edling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Anything but politics, still politics, but in a much more seriou
Salve G. Iulia Cicurina!

Thank You for your support! Yes, the Res Publica need to turn its head towards the mother city, we are basing too much interest in issues far away from Rome!

Sadly enough, I have only been to Rome once, but I would willingly share some advise. When I was there in 2003 Hotel Lancelot had prices that were quite acceptable and it is just a short walk from Foirum Romanum. Still my group rented a very nice apartment too, it was rather close to the center too and gave ius a nice contact with the locals and the local ordinary food. In the Forum You will have a lot to look at, smell and touch, please don't rush, sit down and get the fel of the place. Close by the Forum, You have the Palatine Hill, the original center of the City and my second favorite place. During the republic many famous men had their villas or domus there, try to found out where and take a lot out over te Forum and imagine what the Romans saw (Please visit my villa in the Aventine Hill project at the Clivus Victoriae and imagine that You take a look from my villa, then You will be better prepared. ;-) ). I really recommend You to spend a lot of time on the Hill and try to imagine how the place was during the republic. Palatua, the protectress of the old city is the Godess of the Hill and I deeply felt her presence. 

You should also visit two places where I didn't have time to go, Pompey/Herculanum and Ostia. I have got warm recommendation to go there next time, but I think You are right that You will need to give the City itself most of time. 

Otherwise there are a lot of other places in Italy that I think should be visited by someone with deep interest in Roma Antiqua, but if You only go once, these are my recommendations.

On the other hand You might have to accept the magnetism of the city and decide to go back. ;-) I have and plan to go with  a group of friends within three to five years. I deeply wish I could settle there during my old age, but that probably only is a dream. ;-)

************

21 maj 2009 kl. 14.30 skrev Sondra Jacobs:



Salvete Omnes,
 
I just finished reading the article by Caseo Fabius Bueteo Quintilianus called "The Serouisness of Our Res Publica - We need to have a Base in Rome" and I agree 100 percent in RTQ.   
 
On that end, I am planning to visit Rome this coming March (in 2010)  I probably will only go there once in my lifetime and would like some information about what tour companies to use (in English) and what to definately see when there.  My brother and I are going for about 2 weeks.  (but we will be wanting to see other places in Italy, like Pompeii.  We want to concentrate on ancient Rome, not modern.  We want to feel what you were talking about in the article, to experience the glory of Ancient Rome!
 
We are planning to just go stay at a hotel and book tours there (in English), but we've never done this before.  Do you have any ideas that will help?  About what sights to see in the City and also in other parts of Italy.  Also, any websites to visit to book tours and location of the hotels that would be most convenient to touring. 
 
I am so excited to have Rome actually become part of my life!  I am taking Teaching Company courses and reading (and listing on tape) to as much information as I can get my hands on. 
 
Thank you so much for your help in this matter.
 
Valete,
 
Gaia Iulia Cicurina






*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae 
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae 





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65776 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow nig
L. Coruncanius Cato omn spd

Hey great job!! I wanted to be there, but personal issues made me stay at home :/
I'm sure it will be great, when things are done with all heart and soul, they always goes well.
This is, definetly, less words and more action.
A great vow to all Panonnian cives for this.
:D

Di vos incolumem custodiant.

--
L. Coruncanius Cato
Aedilis Curulis
Scriba Consulis Hispaniae

--- El vie, 22/5/09, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> escribió:

De: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...>
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow night
Para: "Nova Roma ML" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
Fecha: viernes, 22 mayo, 2009 3:37


Cn. Lentulus pontifex legatusque pro praetore Pannoniae, et Livia Plauta quaestrix Pannoniae: Quiritibus s. p. d.:

Tomorrow, citizens of Nova Roma will arrive to Budapest, Hungary, the Nova Roman Province of Pannonia that celebrates its 2000th year in this festival.

From tomorrow and during this weekend, Pannonian citizens and magistrates will have a very limited time to use internet.

With the arrival of A. Apollonius Cordus from Britannia, Flamen C. Petronius Dexter from Gallia, former Aedilis Curulis Sex. Lucilius Tutor and his dear partner from Bohemia, the series of Nova Roma events will start tomorrow afternoon, with the citizens of Pannonia.

We will visit beautiful parts of Budapest and after welcoming dinner in a restaurant, we prepare ourselves to Saturday's and Sunday's most promising and exciting programs, the big Nova Roman religious sacrifice, the celebration of Pannonia Provincia 2000th year, reenactment events like Roman wedding ceremony reconstruction, Legion, Gladiators, reconstructed Roman trial, Mithras ceremony, Roman market, theater etc. So, a LOT of fun!

I only wish your hearts, fellow citizens, be with us in Pannonia, Aquincum, with our Nova Roman guests from other provinces, and with us, Pannonians!

This was the invitation to the event, you can learn more about what will be happening if you follow the links:
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Quiritibus s. p. d.

Quirites, my fellow citizens!

I repeat my previous announcement: an invitation to an all free Nova Roman weekend (with free accommodation and meal) in my Province Pannonia.

THE XXth FLORALIA CARNIVAL IN AQUINCUM (Hungary)

Last year, the Nova Roman province of Pannonia participated and organized the most important parts of the 19th Floralia Carnival at the ruins of the Roman Aquincum (Budapest, Hungary), organized the Museum of Aquincum:

http://www.aquincum .hu/

Photos from the XIXth Floralia with Nova Roma:

http://tinyurl. com/cnjkxk

More photos:

http://gladius. org.hu/galeria/ index.php? d=floralia& pi=60

http://gladius. org.hu/galeria/ index.php? d=eskuvo

We received good credits so that this year Nova Roma has got a request from the Museum of Aquincum to take part in organizing the 20th Floralia Carnival, on 23-24th May.

PROGRAMS (MAY 23-24th, Budapest)

If you are interested, please write me to the e-mail address, and we will talk about how to travel, and all the details:

cn_corn_lent@ yahoo.it

Programs include legionary demonstrations, Roman juridical show and trial, religious celebrations in honour of Nova Roma and the 2000th anniversary of the occupation of Pannonia by the Roman Empire, a great Roman religious ceremony and sacrifice with solemn processions between the ruins of Aquincum with all participants, three reenactor legions and civilians in Roman costume, a Mithraic ritual, gladiatorial combats, Roman market and other nice and funny shows and celebrations. You will get civilian Roman clothes to wear during the events and you can try all military equipments and accessories.

INVITATION

Pannonia Provincia of Nova Roma is glad to invite citizens of Nova Roma all over the world to visit this event and take part in the programs of Nova Roma, all for free!

ALL FREE !!!

Any Nova Roman citizen who comes to the Floralia Carnival will be guests of Pannonia Provincia, and will get free accommodation, free meal and free entrance to the territory of the ruins of Aquincum and to the Museum, and free entrance all to the Floralia Carnival programs.

All you would have to pay for is the traveling.

Two citizens announced their intention to come, but we are waiting for you, citizens. It's gonna be a a great time for Nova Romans!

I would be very honoured to welcome any citizen, especially our magistrates, priests and senators in my province as guests of Pannonia
Provincia and my Pannonian fellow-citizens.

Curate, ut valeatis, Quirites!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Legatus pro praetore Pannoniae
Pontifex etc.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65777 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Poetry
Cato omnes in foro SPD

Salvete!

And now, for something completely different. A song!

"Dum laetus citharista
in Nili ripa it,
O tempora, o mores!
Ex undis crocodilus
se magnus proripit,
O tempora, o mores!
Is voluit vorare,
quis scit, qui fiat id?
Joheirassasa, o temp - o tempora!
Matrona semper musica
laudata sit!

Tum sumpsit citharista
vetustam citharam,
O tempora, o mores!
Et tangens eleganter
pulsavit is eam,
O tempora, o mores!
Allegro, dolce, presto,
quis scit, qui fiat id?
Joheirassasa, o temp - o tempora!
Matrona semper musica
laudata sit!

Et uti ille primum
chordas percucurrit,
O tempora, o mores!
Crocodilus iste
saltare incipit,
O tempora, o mores!
Saltandi genera cuncta,
quis scit, qui fiat id?
Joheirassasa, o temp - o tempora!
Matrona semper musica
laudata sit!

In orbem in arena tum
latus est circum,
O tempora, o mores!
Pyramidas et septem
deiicit humum,
O tempora, o mores!
Nam diu sunt nutantes,
quis scit, qui fiat id?
Joheirassasa, o temp - o tempora!
Matrona semper musica
laudata sit!" - Emanuel Geibel, 1840

Rough translation of the verses:

"A musician was walking along the Nile with viol and bow
When a crocodile burst out of the river below.
The beast showed his teeth, bristling in his jaw,
And moved to swallow him in his gaping maw.
The man put bow to viol, pale with fear,
Played swiftly, sweetly, as his courage did appear.
When the sprightly sounds reached the monster's ears
For joy he began to shed crocodile tears.
He (the crocodile) danced in circles on the sand amid
The shadows of palms and pyramids."

The "joheirassasa" is a nonsense word used here like "dum dee dum".

If you open up another window, you can listen to the music and sing along!

http://www.academic-societies.org/songs/dumlaetuscitharistainnila.html

Valete!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65778 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Maximae Valeriae Messallinae salutem dicit

I miss Lucia Modia Lupa as well, and the old gens system.  I was proud of gens Modia and several of the folks within it.  Your story is very touching, and inspiring.  Puts a different perspective on Nova Roma and whenever someone contrasts Nova Roma with the "real world" I cringe because for me Nova Roma is just as real as everything else in my life.  It is important, and it is the people I have gotten to know that have kept me here -- such valuable friendships.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 8:31 PM, <violetphearsen@...> wrote:


After a year and a half, I submitted my application to join the College of Vestals. At the time, Nova Roma had just one Vestal, my friend, Lucia Modia Lupa. The happiest day I have ever experienced in Nova Roma was January 11, 2006 when Quintus Caecilius Metellus issued the Decreta Pontificum that announced that I was accepted as Sacerdos Vestalis. The saddest day in Nova Roma, for me, was when Lucia Modia Lupa had to retire as a Vestal, as her real life struggles to recover from the havoc Katrina had brought into her life took all her time and energy.




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65779 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Then it is apparent you do not understand the authority invested in the Comitia Centuriata.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:


Caesar Scholasticae SPD
 
No TGP is not in office illegally as we don't follow "ancient customs", but the law. What you do in respect of citizenship applications is done under his authority as well. For the moment you are ok. If Modianus runs and becomes Censor illegally, then the next year when the new Consul takes office any joint edict would be invalid. Between then and now only non-collegiate actions would be permissible and that means TGP would have to authorize everything, in order to keep things free from taint. That would raise a question over the position of scribes appointed by departed Censors (TGP & Laenas), for as of 1st January 2010 there would be one legal censor (whoever stands in December and is elected) and one illegal one (and thus no Censor at all). All reappointment edicts issued jointly at that point would be tainted. They would have to be issued by the new Censor to be free from taint, and that means that you may as well put Modianus in the closet and forget about him until the expiry of his term for all actions that don't require collegiate actions. No collegiate actions would be valid of course.
 
Optime vale 



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65780 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Are you laboring under the massive delusion that a vote returning you as the "winner" nullifies the law in question? Are you referring to to your ex-office and scribal authority? Either way, read the Constitution and the law. It will be a novel experience. 
 
Cn. Iulius Caesar

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Citizen application handling

Then it is apparent you do not understand the authority invested in the Comitia Centuriata.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:


Caesar Scholasticae SPD
 
No TGP is not in office illegally as we don't follow "ancient customs", but the law. What you do in respect of citizenship applications is done under his authority as well. For the moment you are ok. If Modianus runs and becomes Censor illegally, then the next year when the new Consul takes office any joint edict would be invalid. Between then and now only non-collegiate actions would be permissible and that means TGP would have to authorize everything, in order to keep things free from taint. That would raise a question over the position of scribes appointed by departed Censors (TGP & Laenas), for as of 1st January 2010 there would be one legal censor (whoever stands in December and is elected) and one illegal one (and thus no Censor at all). All reappointment edicts issued jointly at that point would be tainted. They would have to be issued by the new Censor to be free from taint, and that means that you may as well put Modianus in the closet and forget about him until the expiry of his term for all actions that don't require collegiate actions. No collegiate actions would be valid of course.
 
Optime vale 



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65781 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Are you laboring under the massive delusion that a vote returning you as the "winner" nullifies the law in question? Are you referring to to your ex-office and scribal authority? Either way, read the Constitution and the law. It will be a novel experience.

Cn. Iulius Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Then it is apparent you do not understand the authority invested in the
> Comitia Centuriata.
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <
> gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Caesar Scholasticae SPD
> >
> > No TGP is not in office illegally as we don't follow "ancient customs", but
> > the law. What you do in respect of citizenship applications is done under
> > his authority as well. For the moment you are ok. If Modianus runs and
> > becomes Censor illegally, then the next year when the new Consul takes
> > office any joint edict would be invalid. Between then and now only
> > non-collegiate actions would be permissible and that means TGP would have to
> > authorize everything, in order to keep things free from taint. That would
> > raise a question over the position of scribes appointed by departed Censors
> > (TGP & Laenas), for as of 1st January 2010 there would be one legal censor
> > (whoever stands in December and is elected) and one illegal one (and thus no
> > Censor at all). All reappointment edicts issued jointly at that point would
> > be tainted. They would have to be issued by the new Censor to be free from
> > taint, and that means that you may as well put Modianus in the closet and
> > forget about him until the expiry of his term for all actions that don't
> > require collegiate actions. No collegiate actions would be valid of course.
> >
> > Optime vale
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65782 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow nig
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Cn. Cornelio Lentulo salutem dicit

This sounds like a wonderful event, and one I wish I was able to attend!  I would rather see more of these Nova Roma events (and am certainly not interested in any "back alley" none-sense).

Keep up the good work my friend.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:



Cn. Lentulus pontifex legatusque pro praetore Pannoniae, et Livia Plauta quaestrix Pannoniae: Quiritibus s. p. d.:

Tomorrow, citizens of Nova Roma will arrive to Budapest, Hungary, the Nova Roman Province of Pannonia that celebrates its 2000th year in this festival.

From tomorrow and during this weekend, Pannonian citizens and magistrates will have a very limited time to use internet.

With the arrival of A. Apollonius Cordus from Britannia, Flamen C. Petronius Dexter from Gallia, former Aedilis Curulis Sex. Lucilius Tutor and his dear partner from Bohemia, the series of Nova Roma events will start tomorrow afternoon, with the citizens of Pannonia.

We will visit beautiful parts of Budapest and after welcoming dinner in a restaurant, we prepare ourselves to Saturday's and Sunday's most promising and exciting programs, the big Nova Roman religious sacrifice, the celebration of Pannonia Provincia 2000th year, reenactment events like Roman wedding ceremony reconstruction, Legion, Gladiators, reconstructed Roman trial, Mithras ceremony, Roman market, theater etc. So, a LOT of fun!

I only wish your hearts, fellow citizens, be with us in Pannonia, Aquincum, with our Nova Roman guests from other provinces, and with us, Pannonians!




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65783 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: a. d. XI Kalendas Iunias: Battle on the Granicus; death of Constanti
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Optime vos omnes

Hodie est ante diem XI Kalendas Iunonias; haec dies nefastus est: Arcturus mane occidit, tempestatem significat.

AUC 419 / 344 BCE: Alexander the Great defeats the Persians at the Battle of the GranicusRiver.

After crossing into Asia, Alexander stopped at Troy to visit the grave of Achilles. Meanwhile the satraps of the region, including Ionian Greeks, gathered their forces and formed them not far from Troy, along the Granicus River. They had placed their cavalry foreward to screen the passage across the river, with light infantry in support. Coming upon the Persians, Alexander decided upon an immediate attack. First he feinted on the left, then personally led the charge of his cavalry on the right, crossing at a lightly defended ford. The Persians threw everything they had available to confront Alexander's crossing, which only weakened them at the decisive point. The Macedonian phalanxes of heavy infantry engaged the Persian center of some cavalry and light infantry, rather easily breaking through the Persians. The combination of Alexander and the Campanions assaulting the Persian left and the Macedonian phalanxes in the center were more than the light Persian forces could handle. At most the Persians had placed themselves in a delaying position, but had nothing with which to support the position. It was several months before the Persians were able to raise an army capable of engaging Alexander.


AUC 1090 / 337 CE: Death of Constantine.

With the death of his father, Emperor Constantius (25 July 306 CE), the legions in Britannia declared Constantinus Caesar. This was to set off a power struggle over the next several years. Constantinus, though, did not enter into the fight until 312, when he marched against Maxentius. Besieging a force at Verona, Constantinus moved a detachment towards Rome. He declared having had a vision and ordered that the shields of his army therefore to be painted with the sign of the radiant sun, Sol Invictus. This was the imperial cultus of the time. The cross represented the course of the sun through the equinoxes and solstices. The emblem seen as Chi-Rho represented the dawning sun. It was not until very late in the reign of Constantinus that these emblems were adopted as Christian symbols. The emperor was by then attributing the success of his reign to the Christian God, at least when addressing his Christian subjects. Until the end of his life Constantinus does not seem to have been exclusively devoted to Sol Invictus, to the Christian God, or to any other deity.

In the following year Licinius, colleague of Constantinus in the East, defeated Maximianus Daia (313 CE). Then Constantinus and Licinius came to blows at Cibalae (8 Oct. 314) and at Castra Jarba (Nov. 314). This led to an uneasy truce that was to last until 322. A decisive battle was fought at Andrianople (3 July 324), where the more disciplined army of Constantinus defeated the larger force of Licinius. Constantinus was then able to cross the Bosporus following a storm that had destroyed around a third of the Licinian fleet. Constantinus won another battle at Chrysopolis and Licinus, who had withdrawn on Nicomedia, surrendered. Constantinus allowed Licinius to remain as Emperor in the East, although with a much reduced realm. When their disputes again arose the Roman Senate condemned Licinius and had him executed (325).

Against this background of political turmoil and civil wars, Constantinus developed his religious policies. First was the issuance of the Edict of Milan that offered tolerance towards Christians and returned confiscated property. He first imposed himself into a North African religious dispute when he called an assembly of bishops to meet at Arles. This led to the condemnation of Donatism and in 316 Constantinus led the first Christian army on a crusade against fellow Christians. More famously he convoked the Council of Nicacea (325) in an attempt to allay the dispute between Alexander and Arius of Alexandria. Arius followed the teachings of Lucian of Antioch, as did Eusebius of Nicomedia. Helena, mother of Constantinus, was devoted to Lucian. She was to build a church in Lucian's honor in the city named after her, Helenopolis on the Gulf of Izmet. Constantinus' sister, Constantia, adopted the more developed Arianism. Constantia was married to her brother's rival, Emperor Licinius. Arianism viewed Jesus as the son of God, and although considering him as a God existing prior to the creation, none the less taught that Jesus came after God and was therefore somewhat less divine. In other words Arianism made a distinction between father and son as where Plato distinguished between the One and the One That Is. In contrast Alexander of Alexandria held to an obstinate monotheism that led to a Trinitarian theology that saw the demiurgic Father and Jesus as two aspects of one and the same God. The Council of Nicaea eventually saw 318 bishops arrive, including some arriving from outside of the Empire, as well as hundreds of other Christian priests and deacons. Bishops began to arrive on 20/21 May, 325, but the council did not really begin until the arrival of Constantinus in early June.

Perhaps known mostly for its rejection of Arianism, the Council of Nicaea also rejected Melitianism, and most importantly sanctioned Christian persecution towards Jews. Constantinus forbade Jews to own Christian slaves or to convert their slaves to Judaism. He outlawed Christians from converting to Judaism, with their property subject to confiscation. In contrast Jews were forbidden from bothering any Jew who converted to Christianity. The date on which Easter was celebrated was no longer to be tied to the Jewish calendar; that is, on 13 Nisan, the day before Passover. Other restrictions were placed on Jewish worship, such as the lighting of fires at certain festivals. Jews were permitted to enter Jerusalem only on Tisha B'Av, which is the anniversary of the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem. Under Roman Jews did gain some protection afterward. No one was permitted to disturb Jewish worship on a Sabbath or other Jewish holidays, nor were they permitted to call Jews to court on these days.

The year after the Council of Nicaea, Constantinus ordered his eldest son Crispus executed (between 15 May and 17 June 326 CE). Then in July, at the insistence of his mother Helena, Constantinus ordered his wife Fausta to be left to die by suffocation in an overheated bath. Crispus was the son of Constantinus' first wife, Minervina. It was posed centuries later that, like Phaedra and Hippolytus in myth, Fausta had accused Crispus of rape, or otherwise of an illicit relationship. It is assumed that she posed a false accusation in order that her own sons might inherit the throne. Then when the accusation was found to be untrue, Constantinus had Fausta killed. Only three years earlier Constantius had Fausta declared Augusta, rather than Nobilissima Femina. Another possibility posed that Helena's disapproval of her daughter-in-law may have been that Fausta had converted to Judaism years earlier. Or it could have been a simpler rivalry. It is not certain that Helena was married to Constantinus' father or was instead his concubine. At any rate, Helena, of humble birth, was put aside and Constantius married Theodora, the step daughter of Emperor Maximianus. Fausta Flavia was the daughter of Emperor Maximianus. In deference to his mother's wishes, Fausta was also condemned to a damnatio memoriae, with orders to remove her name from all inscriptions. However, in the same year of her death the mint at Constantinople issued coins of Fausta Augusta as Salus.

Constantinus fell ill during the feast of Easter, 337 CE. He left Constantinople for Helenopolis to pray in the Church of Lucian of Antioch. Then stopping in Nicomedia on his return to Constantinople, he asked the Arian bishop Eusebius of Nicomedia to baptize him. It was shortly afterward that he died in the villa Achyron outside Nicomedia. The Empire was then divided between the sons of Fausta: Constantinus II, Constantius II, and Constans. Their own rivalries brought about their demise, and it was their sister Helena instead who became Empress with her husband Julian the Blessed in 361.


Our thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 5.7:

"A prayer of the Athenians: Rain, rain, O dear Zeus, down on the ploughed fields of the Athenians and on the plains.- In truth we ought to pray in this simple and noble fashion, or we ought not to pray at all."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65784 From: aerdensrw Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Anything but politics
Paulla Corva Gaudialis Gaiae Juliae Cicurinae s.p.d.

My husband and I went to Italy in 1987 or so. We booked our tours through American Express. This enabled us to get traveler's checks and to have English-speaking tour guides. Also, the American Express office is located in the Piazza d'Yspagna, near a wonderful restaurant called La Rampa, which you have to try, if you go there. (g)

We found this to be a good, simple way to arrange the trip, and we enjoyed our stay in Italy very much. I hope to go back there someday.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Sondra Jacobs <simchajacobs@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,

(snipped)
 
> On that end, I am planning to visit Rome this coming March (in 2010)  I probably will only go there once in my lifetime and would like some information about what tour companies to use (in English) and what to definately see when there.  My brother and I are going for about 2 weeks.  (but we will be wanting to see other places in Italy, like Pompeii.  We want to concentrate on ancient Rome, not modern.  We want to feel what you were talking about in the article, to experience the glory of Ancient Rome!
>  
> We are planning to just go stay at a hotel and book tours there (in English), but we've never done this before.  Do you have any ideas that will help?  About what sights to see in the City and also in other parts of Italy.  Also, any websites to visit to book tours and location of the hotels that would be most convenient to touring. 
>  
> I am so excited to have Rome actually become part of my life!  I am taking Teaching Company courses and reading (and listing on tape) to as much information as I can get my hands on. 
>  
> Thank you so much for your help in this matter.
>  
> Valete,
>  
> Gaia Iulia Cicurina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65785 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
> Are you laboring under the massive delusion that a vote returning you
> as the "winner" nullifies the law in question?

Are you laboring under the massive delusion that your opinion that a
candidate was "illegal" will be worth any more than a fart in a hurricane
after the majority vote otherwise?

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65786 From: aerdensrw Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: A candidacy of dubious legality.
*snicker* I couldn't agree more.

P. Corva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey, here's an idea.
>
> Some people say that Modianus's candidacy is invalid - "consecutive" applies
> to terms in office.
>
> But others read the same rule a different way - "consecutive" applies to
> people.
>
> Both of these are reasonable and valid positions.
>
> Perhaps y'all could.... VOTE on the matter?
>
> If you think "consecutive" means terms (or you just hate Modianus) vote Cato.
> If you think "consecutive" means people (or you just hate Cato) vote Modianus.
>
> There! Problem solved! Let the most popular interpretation of the rule win.
> You can stop arguing.
>
> O.
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65787 From: Steve Moore Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Salve, Laeca.

I'll gladly take up the challenge to "Be productive". Whom should I contact
to volunteer for the legislation committee? Would it be best to contact the
Consuls?

Vale,
Potitus

P.S. Actions do speak louder than words.


-----Original Message-----
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of D. Boyle
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:15 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote

Equestria Iunia Laeca M. Valerio Potito sal.

It seems to me from reading your posts that you are confused by the
Maine statutes. Our internal laws are currently under review by a
legislation committee that was established and assembled by our
Consuls. They are preparing a report to identify discrepancies
between our internal laws and the Maine statute in order to make them
congruent. However, for external purposes, wherever our laws do not
fit well with the Maine law, the Maine law will be used. There are no
external compliance issues.

I am sorry you wasted an evening reading the Maine statute without a
clear foundation on what you were talking about. And by the way, if
you have so much free time, you should volunteer to assist the
legislation committee if they would have you. Be productive. Actions
speak louder than words.

Vale.


On May 21, 2009, at 8:40 PM, Steve Moore wrote:
> M. Valerius Potitus T. Iulio Sabino SPD.
> An evening spent reading the Maine statutes will show you where we
> are not in compliance. One example is that we have not held an
> annual meeting, online or otherwise. Another example is that we do
> not mail notification of elections. If I, an ordinary citizen, can
> figure this out, then I suspect that my betters (who have all the
> secret information within the Seal) must also know it. So when a
> Senator tells me we are in compliance, I do not believe it-because I
> have read the law.
>
> It's amazing to me how many citizens take the word of others without
> looking into it themselves.
>
> Vale.
>
>
>
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Titus Iulius Sabinus
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:17 AM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote for Modianus
>
>
> SALVE ET SALVETE!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Moore" <astrobear@...> wrote:
>
> > 2. He denies reality, and even now affirms that Nova Roma is in
> compliance with the laws of the State ofMaine.>>>
>
> You don't have enough information to judge that. More than that, you
> don't want to take in consideration the NR CFO recent post and to
> accept that, at the end, the NR CFO has a more detailed picture
> about the subject than most of us, more credibility based by her
> professionalism demonstrated in the last two years of hard work
> ordering the NR finances.
>
> It's amazing for me to see how some people jump in other people
> words, without discernment, sustaining a theory only to demonstrate
> their strong adherence to something and without taking in
> consideration the consequences of these uninspired actions.
>
> VALE ET VALETE,
> T. Iulius Sabinus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65788 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Nope. Neither do imagine that even if the rules on any issue are clear they will be followed. But its good to confirm that this is the intention - to claim a majority vote nullifies the law. It doesn't. reason - the chain of legal authority, Section 1.B of the Constitution. See anything in there about elections? I don't. Therefore the lex stands as does its condition preventing him from taking office
 
Caesar

From: Matt Hucke
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizen application handling


> Are you laboring under the massive delusion that a vote
returning you
> as the "winner" nullifies the law in question?

Are you laboring under the massive delusion that your opinion that a
candidate was "illegal" will be worth any more than a fart in a hurricane
after the majority vote otherwise?

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65789 From: Sondra Jacobs Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Help with trip to Rome
Salvete Omnes,
 
I'm resending this e-mail under a different subject.  I only got two responses and I think it might be because I had it under the wrong heading.  Thanks.
 
Cicurina

--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Sondra Jacobs <simchajacobs@...> wrote:

From: Sondra Jacobs <simchajacobs@...>
Subject: Anything but politics
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 7:30 AM

Salvete Omnes,
 
I just finished reading the article by Caseo Fabius Bueteo Quintilianus called "The Serouisness of Our Res Publica - We need to have a Base in Rome" and I agree 100 percent in RTQ.   
 
On that end, I am planning to visit Rome this coming March (in 2010)  I probably will only go there once in my lifetime and would like some information about what tour companies to use (in English) and what to definately see when there.  My brother and I are going for about 2 weeks.  (but we will be wanting to see other places in Italy, like Pompeii.  We want to concentrate on ancient Rome, not modern.  We want to feel what you were talking about in the article, to experience the glory of Ancient Rome!
 
We are planning to just go stay at a hotel and book tours there (in English), but we've never done this before.  Do you have any ideas that will help?  About what sights to see in the City and also in other parts of Italy.  Also, any websites to visit to book tours and location of the hotels that would be most convenient to touring. 
 
I am so excited to have Rome actually become part of my life!  I am taking Teaching Company courses and reading (and listing on tape) to as much information as I can get my hands on. 
 
Thank you so much for your help in this matter.
 
Valete,
 
Gaia Iulia Cicurina


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65790 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
> Nope. Neither do imagine that even if the rules on any issue are clear
> they will be followed.

True enough. The team with the most pointyhatters always wins, here.

> Therefore the lex stands as does its condition preventing him from taking office

But it *won't* prevent him from taking office. Face the facts; if he wins the
election he's going to have access to the censores' tools within days, and he'll
be doing censor stuff; saying the lex is "preventing him from taking office" is absurd,
because we both know that's just not going to happen.

I didn't like it when George Bush was sworn in in 2001 after a botched election,
but that doesn't change the fact that he was saluted, given the secret nuke
codes, and the key to the executive washroom.

If Modianus wins, you'll go on saying that everything he does is illegal, but
it'll have about as much effect as saying everything he touches has cooties.

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65791 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
I wonder what the Maine AG would have to say about having a vote nullify actual bylaws.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> > Are you laboring under the massive delusion that a vote returning you
> > as the "winner" nullifies the law in question?
>
> Are you laboring under the massive delusion that your opinion that a
> candidate was "illegal" will be worth any more than a fart in a hurricane
> after the majority vote otherwise?
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65792 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
Practically of course it matters not in Nova Roma what the law says. I think that is a proven given and this will be just another example of that contempt which people hold the concept of following the rules. If Modianus is comfortable with George Bush as his role model, fine. Who next Nixon? J. Edgar Hoover?
 
That won't stop me from calling it illegal, nor will it stop being illegal.
 
Caesar

From: Matt Hucke
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizen application handling


> Nope. Neither do imagine that even if the rules on any
issue are clear
> they will be followed.

True enough.  The team with the most pointyhatters always wins, here.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65793 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
> I wonder what the Maine AG would have to say about having a vote nullify actual bylaws.

Probably "if you don't like it, hire a lawyer." I suspect they have better things
to do that intervene in internal procedural squabbles in tiny organizations.

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65794 From: D. Boyle Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Salve Potite

Most of the members of the legislation review committee have been very
active on this list over the past few days. I would ask that one of
them contact you privately to see what work you can do to benefit this
process. There is a lot of work since we are really talking about
more than 10 years worth of laws. I am sure that you will be welcomed
to assist them.

Vale

Equestria



On May 22, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Steve Moore wrote:
> Salve, Laeca.
>
> I'll gladly take up the challenge to "Be productive". Whom should I
> contact
> to volunteer for the legislation committee? Would it be best to
> contact the
> Consuls?
>
> Vale,
> Potitus
>
> P.S. Actions do speak louder than words.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf
> Of D. Boyle
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:15 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
>
> Equestria Iunia Laeca M. Valerio Potito sal.
>
> It seems to me from reading your posts that you are confused by the
> Maine statutes. Our internal laws are currently under review by a
> legislation committee that was established and assembled by our
> Consuls. They are preparing a report to identify discrepancies
> between our internal laws and the Maine statute in order to make them
> congruent. However, for external purposes, wherever our laws do not
> fit well with the Maine law, the Maine law will be used. There are no
> external compliance issues.
>
> I am sorry you wasted an evening reading the Maine statute without a
> clear foundation on what you were talking about. And by the way, if
> you have so much free time, you should volunteer to assist the
> legislation committee if they would have you. Be productive. Actions
> speak louder than words.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65795 From: D. Boyle Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Equestria sal.

Well, Potite, I don't know how to explain it any better than I already
have. There is a review currently underway that will lead to the
rewriting of many of our internal laws so that they can be in harmony
with the Maine law. I am not on that committee.

Remember that our laws were written mainly with Roman law in mind, and
in such a way that it could somehow mate the ancient and modern laws,
which are in many ways incompatible. This was (is) not an easy task
and our internal laws do not perfectly fall in line with the Maine
law. This has been discussed at length within the senate, cohors
lists, and even here on the main list, and is a priority that is being
taken seriously and remedied.

This is an internal matter and is being worked on to prevent future
misunderstandings and conflicts, not an external compliance problem.

As for the annual meeting, we do have an annual meeting of the members
each year when we have our annual elections. The general purpose of
annual meetings is to provide a report to the members and hold
elections. The board reports monthly to the members by way of the
Tribunes posting the results of senate sessions.

We already do more than the law requires. In addition, this topic of
annual meetings was included as one of the supposed illegalities
listed in the letter sent by the board member to Maine's Attorneys
General where he asked them to dissolve Nova Roma. They quickly
dismissed the item as being an issue.

Vale.



On May 22, 2009, at 1:38 AM, Steve Moore wrote:
> Salve, Laeca.
>
> So let me see if I understand you. The problem here is not
> compliance but
> congruance?
>
> Let me take one example. The Maine statutes call for a non-profit
> corporation to hold an annual meeting. Since NR has not held such a
> meeting
> (online or otherwise), does this mean that NR is in compliance with
> Maine
> law, but NR's internal laws may or may not be congruent with Maine
> law?
>
> Vale,
> Potitus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf
> Of D. Boyle
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:15 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
>
> Equestria Iunia Laeca M. Valerio Potito sal.
>
> It seems to me from reading your posts that you are confused by the
> Maine statutes. Our internal laws are currently under review by a
> legislation committee that was established and assembled by our
> Consuls. They are preparing a report to identify discrepancies
> between our internal laws and the Maine statute in order to make them
> congruent. However, for external purposes, wherever our laws do not
> fit well with the Maine law, the Maine law will be used. There are no
> external compliance issues.
>
> I am sorry you wasted an evening reading the Maine statute without a
> clear foundation on what you were talking about. And by the way, if
> you have so much free time, you should volunteer to assist the
> legislation committee if they would have you. Be productive. Actions
> speak louder than words.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65796 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Help with trip to Rome
Salve cousin!

May I suggest that you write to Gaius Aurelius Vindex, L. Livia Plauta and Fr. Apulus Caesar. You can contact them through the Album Civium on the Nova Roma website.
They have a mailing list but it is not yahoo and most of it is in Italian: http://italia.novaroma.org
Hope this helps and enjoy your trip to Italy!

Optime vale,
L. Iulia Aquila

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Sondra Jacobs <simchajacobs@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>  
> I'm resending this e-mail under a different subject.  I only got two responses and I think it might be because I had it under the wrong heading.  Thanks.
>  
> Cicurina
>
> --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Sondra Jacobs <simchajacobs@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Sondra Jacobs <simchajacobs@...>
> Subject: Anything but politics
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 7:30 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>  
> I just finished reading the article by Caseo Fabius Bueteo Quintilianus called "The Serouisness of Our Res Publica - We need to have a Base in Rome" and I agree 100 percent in RTQ.   
>  
> On that end, I am planning to visit Rome this coming March (in 2010)  I probably will only go there once in my lifetime and would like some information about what tour companies to use (in English) and what to definately see when there.  My brother and I are going for about 2 weeks.  (but we will be wanting to see other places in Italy, like Pompeii.  We want to concentrate on ancient Rome, not modern.  We want to feel what you were talking about in the article, to experience the glory of Ancient Rome!
>  
> We are planning to just go stay at a hotel and book tours there (in English), but we've never done this before.  Do you have any ideas that will help?  About what sights to see in the City and also in other parts of Italy.  Also, any websites to visit to book tours and location of the hotels that would be most convenient to touring. 
>  
> I am so excited to have Rome actually become part of my life!  I am taking Teaching Company courses and reading (and listing on tape) to as much information as I can get my hands on. 
>  
> Thank you so much for your help in this matter.
>  
> Valete,
>  
> Gaia Iulia Cicurina
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65797 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Citizen application handling
A more apt analogy would in fact be that this tactic and the entire election is more worthy of his being Robert Mugabe fixing the Zimbabwe election.
 
Caesar

From: Matt Hucke
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizen application handling


> Nope. Neither do imagine that even if the rules on any
issue are clear
> they will be followed.

True enough.  The team with the most pointyhatters always wins, here.

> Therefore the
lex stands as does its condition preventing him from taking office

But it *won't* prevent him from taking office.  Face the facts; if he wins the
election he's going to have access to the censores' tools within days, and he'll
be doing censor stuff; saying the lex is "preventing him from taking office" is absurd,
because we both know that's just not going to happen.

I didn't like it when George Bush was sworn in in 2001 after a botched election,
but that doesn't change the fact that he was saluted, given the secret nuke
codes, and the key to the executive washroom.

If Modianus wins, you'll go on saying that everything he does is illegal, but
it'll have about as much effect as saying everything he touches has cooties.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65798 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: In Memoriam this Memorial day weekend (OT?)
Salvete
 
In Memoriam to those who have served and especially to those who never came home.
 
Pax
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlrrAWCTRg
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEnG8pIzvg8
 
Valete
 
Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65799 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Gathering and NR Floralia Carnival starts tomorrow nig
Salve Lentule!

I wish I could be there for the Floralia Carnival, the Ceremony, and also to be in Budapest, a wonderful city with a unique charm.
I know you hold Nova Roman citizens in your heart so in a way we will all be there with you!

Vale,
Julia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
>
> Cn. Lentulus pontifex legatusque pro praetore Pannoniae, et Livia Plauta quaestrix Pannoniae: Quiritibus s. p. d.:
>
>
> Tomorrow, citizens of Nova Roma will arrive to Budapest, Hungary, the Nova Roman Province of Pannonia that celebrates its 2000th year in this festival.
>
> From tomorrow and during this weekend, Pannonian citizens and magistrates will have a very limited time to use internet.
>
> With the arrival of A. Apollonius Cordus from Britannia, Flamen C. Petronius Dexter from Gallia, former Aedilis Curulis Sex. Lucilius Tutor and his dear partner from Bohemia, the series of Nova Roma events will start tomorrow afternoon, with the citizens of Pannonia.
>
> We will visit beautiful parts of Budapest and after welcoming dinner in a restaurant, we prepare ourselves to Saturday's and Sunday's most promising and exciting programs, the big Nova Roman religious sacrifice, the celebration of Pannonia Provincia 2000th year, reenactment events like Roman wedding ceremony reconstruction, Legion, Gladiators, reconstructed Roman trial, Mithras ceremony, Roman market, theater etc. So, a LOT of fun!
>
> I only wish your hearts, fellow citizens, be with us in Pannonia, Aquincum, with our Nova Roman guests from other provinces, and with us, Pannonians!
>
> This was the invitation to the event, you can learn more about what will be happening if you follow the links:
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Quiritibus s. p. d.
>
> Quirites, my fellow citizens!
>
> I repeat my previous announcement: an invitation to an all free Nova Roman weekend (with free accommodation and meal) in my Province Pannonia.
>
> THE XXth FLORALIA CARNIVAL IN AQUINCUM (Hungary)
>
> Last year, the Nova Roman province of Pannonia participated and organized the most important parts of the 19th Floralia Carnival at the ruins of the Roman Aquincum (Budapest, Hungary), organized the Museum of Aquincum:
>
> http://www.aquincum.hu/
>
> Photos from the XIXth Floralia with Nova Roma:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cnjkxk
>
> More photos:
>
> http://gladius.org.hu/galeria/index.php?d=floralia&pi=60
>
> http://gladius.org.hu/galeria/index.php?d=eskuvo
>
> We received good credits so that this year Nova Roma has got a request from the Museum of Aquincum to take part in organizing the 20th Floralia Carnival, on 23-24th May.
>
> PROGRAMS (MAY 23-24th, Budapest)
>
> If you are interested, please write me to the e-mail address, and we will talk about how to travel, and all the details:
>
> cn_corn_lent@...
>
> Programs include legionary demonstrations, Roman juridical show and trial, religious celebrations in honour of Nova Roma and the 2000th anniversary of the occupation of Pannonia by the Roman Empire, a great Roman religious ceremony and sacrifice with solemn processions between the ruins of Aquincum with all participants, three reenactor legions and civilians in Roman costume, a Mithraic ritual, gladiatorial combats, Roman market and other nice and funny shows and celebrations. You will get civilian Roman clothes to wear during the events and you can try all military equipments and accessories.
>
> INVITATION
>
> Pannonia Provincia of Nova Roma is glad to invite citizens of Nova Roma all over the world to visit this event and take part in the programs of Nova Roma, all for free!
>
> ALL FREE !!!
>
> Any Nova Roman citizen who comes to the Floralia Carnival will be guests of Pannonia Provincia, and will get free accommodation, free meal and free entrance to the territory of the ruins of Aquincum and to the Museum, and free entrance all to the Floralia Carnival programs.
>
> All you would have to pay for is the traveling.
>
> Two citizens announced their intention to come, but we are waiting for you, citizens. It's gonna be a a great time for Nova Romans!
>
> I would be very honoured to welcome any citizen, especially our magistrates, priests and senators in my province as guests of Pannonia
> Provincia and my Pannonian fellow-citizens.
>
> Curate, ut valeatis, Quirites!
>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
> Legatus pro praetore Pannoniae
> Pontifex etc.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65800 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Salve Palladio,

You should take a course in logic although you may be very well defying logic in a very poor effort to discredit my sound enquiry.
Being a scriba, a senator or any other *title* a citizen may hold does not supercede a concerned citzenship.
In this situation I am a Nova Roma citzen first and foremost.
My position had nothing to do with my enquiry. You assume and so you are, essentially, what the first three letters in assume spell. Of course since you are that, it only follows that you can only percieve from your narrow experiences and from your own devious way you proceed in the daily activities of your life.

Vale,
L. Iulia Aquila


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salve Aquila,
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Palladius,
> >
> > You said that not I.
> > Century points do not concern me,
> > Is that the way you view Nova Roma?
> > A Game? A Role Play?
>
> Obviously you do, that was the point. You were clearly serious that an appointment as a scribe would have any influence over someone's opinion on a matter. Yikes.
>
> > Do you think this is funny?
>
> Indeed I do. More the pity for you that you do not. You still don't get it. I can't help that.
>
> > No need to answer those questions.
> > Your spin has no value with me.
>
> Spin? "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
>
> > Those who answer for Appius insult him by not allowing him to >answer for himself, which is he is very capable of.
>
> I'm not answering for him, I'm enjoying the show. As several people have noted, this is the silly season in Nova Roma.
>
> Vale,
>
> Palladius
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65801 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Modianus: legal and preferred candidate for Censor
Salve Catoni,

Hey now! Wheres that sense of humor! "Now that is amusing considering the source of the quote because I see GEC as somewhat dour."


But onto something else, you seem to forget that I took a virtual beating for coming to the defense of your rights the beginning of the year in one of the "religious wars."
I also happen to enjoy some of your historical threads just as enjoy Piscinus' threads.
I just choose not to be involved in the conversations because they usually devolve into a lose-lose situation and therefore are a waste of my precious time. In my younger years I truly enjoyed debating with scholars; rabbis, priests and ministers of all denominations(including non-Yahwists such as Buddhists, Hindus, Celtic etc, I do not discriminate) and even a group of us college students from SUNY went to a Christian Science service one Sunday morning and questioned and debated from their balcony. I am old now and I know, just as I knew back then, people believe what people believe, this is everyone's right and when a religious discussion goes bad no one is listening anyway to each other so it is a waste of breath. As I said, been there, done that.

Vale optime,
L. Iulia Aquila


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.
>
> Salve!
>
> I am anything but dour. You'll just have to trust me on that one for now. I believe that even Maior - with whom I have dined on occasion - would admit that I am not. I am generally in quite good humor - even when I am persistent about something.
>
> I *have* taken presumptions about my private cultus too personally at times. I *do* get a little worked up about the law, but that is because I am intensely interested in it, and see it as one of the greatest single legacies left to us by the ancient Romans. I think it is a very noble and worthwhile effort to learn how they governed themselves, and it is in the political/governmental arena that I find most of my enjoyment.
>
> I have shown myself willing to be corrected, and not in the grumbly you-may-be-right-but-I-don't-have-to-like-it kind of way, either.
>
> Now, my namesake, Cato <cough> the Censor was famously dour; I hope to follow his footsteps in nomenclature if not in nature :)
>
> Vale!
>
> Cato
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65802 From: aerdensrw Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: let's vote for our choice
P. Corva Gaudialis M. Hortensiae Maior omnesque s.p.d.

Amen.

All we need is the facts, not a lot of flaming. Just give us the facts, and let us vote. Once a point has been made, it need not be belabored as it has been, interminably, thoughout this campaigning process. We, the voters, are quite capable of figuring out what problems might arise, should one candidate or the other be elected, and we are capable of living with that choice.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
> for gods sake let's put an end to tiresome endless legal quibbling and bickering and lets vote for whom we want as censor. Let the cives decide. I know this is a shocking notion, an astounding one.
> Just vote and make our choice.
> bene valete in pacem deorum
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65803 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
Actually,

I can explain it. You want to know the difference between Congruence and compliance?

Every year Nova Roma has to file an annual report (Title 13 Maine Not Profit Act Section B and Section C). Now, what does that mean? In the simplest base terms an annual report:

An Annual report is a comprehensive report on a company's activities throughout the preceding year. Annual reports are intended to give shareholders and other interested persons information about the company's activities and financial performance. Most jurisdictions require companies to prepare and disclose annual reports, and many require the annual report to be filed at the company's registry. Companies listed on a stock exchange are also required to report at more frequent intervals (depending upon the rules of the stock exchange involved). (this is taken from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_report)

An annual report generally consists of:

Typically annual reports will include:

* Chairman's report
* CEO's report
* Auditor's report on corporate governance
* Mission statement
* Corporate governance statement of compliance
* Statement of directors' responsibilities
* Invitation to the company's AGM

as well as financial statements including:

* Auditor's report on the financial statements
* Balance sheet
* Statement of retained earnings
* Income statement
* Cash flow statement
* Notes to the financial statements
* Accounting policies
_____

Now with that in mind - for $3.xx US anyone can download Nova Roma's annual report

http://icrs.informe.org/nei-sos-icrs/ICRS?CorpSumm=20010268ND - just click LIST ALL FILING. It is public record.

Now, when you spend the 3 bucks. What does our annual report say? Nothing of substance. What it does have is the address and legal names of each member of the board of directors.

Letter from the Officers? Nope
Letter from the CFO? Nope
Accounting Information? Nope
Mission Statement? Nope
Corporate Governance and statement of compliance? Nope
Financial Statements? Nope.

So, the difference between Congruence and compliance - is simple. We have a report that we have to file with Maine - we call it an annual report - thought it has nothing of substance on it - and congruence is met. Compliance on the other hand? Well that is a different story.

And, for those who automatically will not believe what I say - I challenge you - download the annual report and see for yourselves.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Also an Accountant

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "D. Boyle" <deandreaboyle@...> wrote:
>
> Equestria sal.
>
> Well, Potite, I don't know how to explain it any better than I already
> have. There is a review currently underway that will lead to the
> rewriting of many of our internal laws so that they can be in harmony
> with the Maine law. I am not on that committee.
>
> Remember that our laws were written mainly with Roman law in mind, and
> in such a way that it could somehow mate the ancient and modern laws,
> which are in many ways incompatible. This was (is) not an easy task
> and our internal laws do not perfectly fall in line with the Maine
> law. This has been discussed at length within the senate, cohors
> lists, and even here on the main list, and is a priority that is being
> taken seriously and remedied.
>
> This is an internal matter and is being worked on to prevent future
> misunderstandings and conflicts, not an external compliance problem.
>
> As for the annual meeting, we do have an annual meeting of the members
> each year when we have our annual elections. The general purpose of
> annual meetings is to provide a report to the members and hold
> elections. The board reports monthly to the members by way of the
> Tribunes posting the results of senate sessions.
>
> We already do more than the law requires. In addition, this topic of
> annual meetings was included as one of the supposed illegalities
> listed in the letter sent by the board member to Maine's Attorneys
> General where he asked them to dissolve Nova Roma. They quickly
> dismissed the item as being an issue.
>
> Vale.
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2009, at 1:38 AM, Steve Moore wrote:
> > Salve, Laeca.
> >
> > So let me see if I understand you. The problem here is not
> > compliance but
> > congruance?
> >
> > Let me take one example. The Maine statutes call for a non-profit
> > corporation to hold an annual meeting. Since NR has not held such a
> > meeting
> > (online or otherwise), does this mean that NR is in compliance with
> > Maine
> > law, but NR's internal laws may or may not be congruent with Maine
> > law?
> >
> > Vale,
> > Potitus
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf
> > Of D. Boyle
> > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:15 PM
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
> >
> > Equestria Iunia Laeca M. Valerio Potito sal.
> >
> > It seems to me from reading your posts that you are confused by the
> > Maine statutes. Our internal laws are currently under review by a
> > legislation committee that was established and assembled by our
> > Consuls. They are preparing a report to identify discrepancies
> > between our internal laws and the Maine statute in order to make them
> > congruent. However, for external purposes, wherever our laws do not
> > fit well with the Maine law, the Maine law will be used. There are no
> > external compliance issues.
> >
> > I am sorry you wasted an evening reading the Maine statute without a
> > clear foundation on what you were talking about. And by the way, if
> > you have so much free time, you should volunteer to assist the
> > legislation committee if they would have you. Be productive. Actions
> > speak louder than words.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65804 From: aerdensrw Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Latin achievement
P. Corva Gaudialis A. Tulliae Scholasticae s.p.d.

I am interested in taking the beginner's Grammatica Latina course. What must I do to apply?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis

(snipped)

If you are interested in doing the same, please let me know.
> We expect to offer both intermediate courses and the combined Sermo course
> next year, though likely only one of the other two introductory courses will
> run unless we can locate another instructor.
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65805 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
> So, the difference between Congruence and compliance - is simple. We have a
> report that we have to file with Maine - we call it an annual report - thought it
> has nothing of substance on it - and congruence is met. Compliance on the other hand?
> Well that is a different story.

So you're saying it should have more then the minimum twelve pieces of flair?

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65806 From: Christer Edling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: consecutive
Salve Quirites!

I have nothing to add, but ... I certainly agree!

**********

22 maj 2009 kl. 04.35 skrev Matt Hucke:

>
> The only credible explanation is that double standards are at work
> again.

...or that the time for raising the issue has passed, and there's
nothing that
can be done about it now.

Really, did anyone expect a list of candidates to be revised after the
edict
was published? The consuls need to stand by what they published, to
save face
if nothing else.

If those who raised this issue honestly didn't notice it was a problem
until
it was too late, well, that's unfortunately. But if there was a
conscious
decision to hold this revelation in reserve until after the time for
announcing
candidacy was closed, in the hopes of neutralizing an opponent but
preventing any
of his allies from taking his place, then that's a sleazy and
underhanded move,
and let the consequences be on their heads...

O.

--
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65807 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Videos about Ancient Rome
Salvete omnes,

For your enjoyment.

Caligula - This is from the mini-series "Imperium: Nero", the Caligula part is good but I did not include the Nero scenes because, well, Nero was not historically "cuddly" as they portray.
Pt 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXM00OT-hcg&feature=channel
Pt 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaRQF2VWj1E&feature=related
Pt 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmxcWMej1cM&feature=related


A truly wonderful series, Rome: "The Fall of the Republic", that can be seen in its entirety (many hours) is found here:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=2C1A9D5238446B11&page=1

This series, The Surprising History of Rome, is to me most interesting. Written history is sometimes biased, written and published by those who often have rich and powerful benefactors or they may have an ax to grind or may be enamored of someone who may be a tyrant or many other factors so we don't always get an objective view of history.
In this series you will also have the pleasure of Andrew Wallace-Hadrill MA, DPhil, OBE, who is the director of the British School in Rome. Several years ago I had the privilege of attending his lectures and it is always a great experience to enjoy his commentaries on Roman History.
Many of you may find this basic, but even still it is enjoyable.
Pt 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4bvZPZkTCE&feature=channel_page
Pt 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGoRXuuFiYM&feature=channel
Pt 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq_kxlLgZdg&feature=channel
Pt 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc-t5eWKT7k&feature=channel
Pt 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIWAHllaT-4&feature=channel

Valete optime,
L. Julia Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65808 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: A Campaign video! IuliaÂ’s got Humor!
Salvete omnes!

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNL1KnuAoAs

Valete optime,

Julia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65809 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Latin achievement
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Latin achievement

  
A. Tullia Scholastica P. Corvae Gaudiali quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
  

P. Corva Gaudialis A. Tulliae Scholasticae s.p.d.

I am interested in taking the beginner's Grammatica Latina course.  What must I do to apply?

    ATS:  First of all, you must have the textbook in hand (and prove that to me).  The text for the Grammatica Latina courses (both beginning and intermediate) is Wheelock’s Latin, by Frederic Wheelock, sixth edition, revised by Richard La Fleur.  This is available in paperback, and (the last I heard) costs $20-$25 or so.   Many university bookstores in English-speaking countries carry it as it is commonly used in college-level Latin, and if that option is not available in your area, it can be ordered online, or through other bookstores.   When you contact me with the text in hand, I will provide further information.  At present, the class is still technically in session, and the students cannot be ejected until the intermediate class is finished and those students can move on.  All students enrolled in Grammatica I have indicated a desire to take Grammatica II, the latter of which is the longest-running of any course given this year.  

    Secondly, as I noted, I cannot teach five online Latin courses, so we must find another instructor for at least one of the introductory courses.  I have someone in mind, but he has not committed himself, even though I would assist him.  We also have someone in mind for the other introductory course, but have met some resistance there as well.  Complicating this is the fact that Grammatica is a traditional method, unfamiliar to some who have been taught by other (and, I may add, often dumbed-down) methods, and is effectively available only in English, so the teacher must be a native speaker, and the students must be sufficiently literate in English that they can do the assignments in that language.  We hope to have some of my lessons translated into Spanish, but at present that is not the case.  Sermo is taught in both English and Spanish, plus the text is in either French/Latin or Italian/Latin (and translated onsite into both English and Spanish), so there is greater latitude there.  

    Please let me know if you have any further questions; some of these are best answered privately.  

Vale, et valete.

    

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis

(snipped)

If you are interested in doing the same, please let me know.
> We expect to offer both intermediate courses and the combined Sermo course
> next year, though likely only one of the other two introductory courses will
> run unless we can locate another instructor.
>
> Vale, et valete.
>

  
    
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65810 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Candidacy - Opinion of Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis s.p.d

L. Julia Aquila has hit the nail soundly on the head with this post.  When it was announced that the candidacy of Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus had been accepted by the proper authority, several of the Tribunes expected some immediate appeals from the People to pronounce intercessio against it.  However, no one . . . let me repeat . . . NO ONE contacted myself or any of the other Tribunes (to the best of my knowledge) with a request that it was illegal under the existing laws and should be vetoed.  As such, the thee day window to pronounce the intercessio came and went with nary a whisper.

So all of the citizens who have been using up their time with questions of legality versus illegality and their opinions about whether he should or shouldn't be a candidate are wasting their time and effort.  The Tribunes cannot pronounce intercessio now against the candidacy.  Furthermore, the Tribunes may not have the authority to overturn the election once it is completed. 

In my opinion, Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus is running for censor primarily in opposition to Equitius Cato rather than for the good of the Res Publica.  This is not a very good reason for running for any office in Nova Roma and more so because he just completed a two year term as Censor.

Modianus has had a lot on his plate over the last couple of years because of his status as a student, his work in Nova Roma (in the Senate, the Sacred Colleges, and as a magistrate), along with his personal problems.

Personally, I believe that he should withdraw from this race for Censor and devote himself to his studies, the Senate, and the Sacred Colleges.  I do not believe that it is in the best interests of the Res Publica nor Modianus to remain in the race.  While I wish him all that is good, appropriate, and auspicious, I encourage the People of Nova Roma not to elect him as Censor.  The man needs some time off. 

I would also like to be very clear that I do not support Cato either because I feel that he is likely to hold some grudge against the Consuls, the Praetores, and others who ignored his call for the removal of certain officers.  If the Gods, were to grant my personal wishes, I would like to see both candidates withdraw from the election and see someone who is more moderate step forward to run for and fill this very important office.

Valete.


-----Original Message-----
From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 4:54 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Candidacy!



Salve Appio Galerio,

I did not bring up the fact that you and Censor Paulinus are in the Domus because I understand having differences of opinions within one's Domus.
Not exactly sure why you would bring this up.
But here we are in the last hours before the voting begins and you are changing you mind in what can be viewed as suspect conditions.
Can you assure me and the other citizens that you did not discuss a possible action with Censor Paulinus?

I simply ask that you seriously re-examine the issue independently and remember that :

*Modianus candidacy was accepted by the Rogatores
*No Intercessio was placed
*Modianus candidacy is legal.

After being discussed ad nauseum on the ML, in the last hours before the voting begins, you have doubts, just over 24 hours after an appointment in a cohors with the very Censor who has been vehemently vocal against Modianus' candidacy. A candidacy up until then you supported.

Vale,
L. Julia Aquila

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65811 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
Who let this person back on the list?  Has she served her mandatory moderation?

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus,
Senator


-----Original Message-----
From: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 7:27 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma



I just want to say this is the single most accurate portayal of Sulla I've ever read.

Well done!

Sulla is the biggest reason I left NR. His penchant for litigation(and the unwillinness for NR officials to oppose these heinous actions) gives me due cause to stay out of this organization. I, like others who left because of this odious person, have just had enough of this nonsense. I am unsure if I will ever comeback to NR, but if Sulla is expelled but I'd certainly consider it, as would others I'm sure.

I'm currently in SVR and even though it isn't as active as NR it's certainly more reasonable and less annoying. I find it a welcome oasis.

-Anna
(goes back to lurking)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@ ...> wrote:
>
> Salvéte omnes,
>
> Commentary on Sulla
>
> Senator Sulla demonstrates a glibness and superficial charm but more and more Nova Roma citizens are recognizing it, and as evidenced on the ML, our fellow citizens are voicing their negative opinions of Sulla.
> Sulla has also demonstrated on the ML manipulative and conning behavior time after time on the ML. He demonstrates a failure to recognize the needs of others and appears to believe his self serving behaviors are acceptable. Sulla tries to convey a charming outward experience but it soon is discovered that under that friable veneer he further demonstrates ranting and raving hostility in what appears to be an attempt at a very domineering demeanor in an effort to humiliate his targets.
> Sulla may also assert that this particular commentary is a rant but in reality it is composed – as a methodical assessment and with a stoic mien. Of course those, such as Sulla, who are given to extreme outbursts and ranting, raving manic behavior usually read others comments in this way indicating the lack of impulse and behavioral controls which colors their own comments. Sulla behavior demonstrates that he believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, and has little sense of personal boundaries and no concern for his impact on others.
> Sulla demonstrates on the ML what appears to be a grandiose sense of self, he appears to believe his long time, spotty and questionable association with Nova Roma entitles him to certain privileges as his *right* above and over any other citizens. For example the right to impinge on others rights with his constant spewing of spin and deception in order to halt the progress of our respublica.
> Sulla is always looking back or looking to destroy rather than looking to the future and the progress and success of Nova Roma and her citizens.
> Sulla also demonstrates on the ML the ability to alter the truth to his own machinations; this may be perceived as lying. Sulla demonstrates that he has created and has gotten caught up in what appears to be a complex belief about his own powers and abilities.
> Sulla has also demonstrated on the ML what appears to be an inability to show any remorse, shame or guilt. As evidenced on the ML he sees others who disagree with him, make comments about his behavior or dare to question him as targets and opportunities to ply his trade of malicious intent. From what is also evidenced on the MLs his so-called friends, or accomplices, often becomes his victims. But then Sulla has stated in the Back Alley that net friendships are not like *real* friendships. Sulla has demonstrated that the end justifies the means and he will let nothing and no one, not even the Respublica, stand in his way.
> Sulla has said he wants to take down Nova Roma and even now threatens with another lawsuit to achieve his malicious agenda twisting and turning the law to his own benefit. Sulla himself in the Back Alley recently announced that all warfare is deception. That is a clear view into his motives and personality and I wonder if he is gleefully looking towards the Civil War he mentioned. He wants Nova Roma, and her citizens, to suffer the consequences; *his* consequences.
> Sulla demonstrates any emotions he appears to have are shallow and feigned and serves an ulterior and malicious motive. Sulla also demonstrates callousness and a lack of empathy. Sulla demonstrates an unusual need for stimulation with his verbal outbursts, provocations and the need to be "heard"; the need for attention. It appears that Sulla uses his money to make friends (brags about paying others taxes) and hires Attorneys using these *assets* to fight the battles he stokes the fire under so he will not expose himself to any personal confrontation.
> The truly funny thing is Sulla calls others crude and disparaging names, giving honored citizens disrespectful nicknames when really he is the one worthy of such which, for ascribed to him, are truths.
> This strongly indicates the kind of person Sulla is and that, my fellow citizens, is not a nice picture.
> Everything I say here can be demonstrated and found in the various Nova Roma mailing lists and in the Back Alley, look it up if you have a shadow of a doubt.
> All the above may make him a very good Role Player and also fits the description of a parasitic Troll, but not a citizen who I would trust to represent me in Nova Roma's Senate or anywhere for that matter.
&g t;
> Cúráte ut valéatis atque di vos incolumes custodiant.
>
> L. Julia Aquila
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_ sulla@> wrote:
> >
> > LOL!!!!
> >
> > How awesome is this! This is almost as good as making Aurelianus (virtually) vomit.
> >
> > Let me educate you about me.
> >
> > In my 37 years of life I have been very pleased with what I have accomplished. I have two Masters Degrees (MBA and Education). I have a Bachelors Degree in Political Science and a Paralegal's Degree.
> >
> > Most of my 20s were spent in college.
> >
> > Over 4 years ago I moved to AZ, in that time I went from having nothing of value, living with my sister, after my apartment break-ins and the death of my kitten. In a dramatic two years I bought a home, purchased the furnishings of my home AND spend $20k on my dream vacation to Israel.
> >
> > I have positions of responsibility and authority in both of the jobs that I own. Comptroller of a construction company in Phoenix and a college professor. I am authorized to sign for contracts, waivers, accounting, payroll, benefits and am a notary public for the state of Arizona. I have passed checks and investigations. I have been the President of a conglomerate (Taurus Communicati ons) .
> >
> > You might think I am a cancer, but I have been nominated for Who's Who in Phoenix. You might think I am a cancer, but I am responsible for running a multi-million dollar business. You might think I am a cancer, but I regularly teach 6-8 COLLEGE classes at a time.
> >
> > In other words, to say it politely, your opinion means nothing. Especially compared to what I have accomplished in my life.
> >
> > Now, Vestal, lets see your CV?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, violetphearsen@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you not know what a metaphor is, Sulla? I shall explain it to you: "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance. "
> > > �
> > > You do indeed�resemble a creeping cancer eagerly tearing away at the very fabric of Nova Roma. By every word you write, you pollute the main list with vile and negativity. Your every act, or threatened action, creates a miasma of noxious fumes and the stench sickens all. Yes, like a cancer that once disappeared, you have returned again and your goal, it would seem, is to kill Nova Roma. Who else has threatened our Nova Roma with a lawsuit and parades email after email supposedly from an attorney general on this list, with no less an intention that to disband Nova Roma?
> > > Sulla, you are a sad specimen of a man.
> > > If you want to threaten me, insult me, make jokes at my expense, go right ahead. Please, continue to show all Nova Romans the true caliber of your person. Don't stop on my account.
> > > �
> > > Yes, Citizens, I am a Vestal and the Virgo Maxima, too. As such, I have sworn to always speak the truth and I have. This man engages in tactics of divisiveness, spewing animosity, displaying utter contemptuousness for any citizen, even the Virgo Maxima, for daring to tell the truth of what he really is. With his doublespeak, he tries to ensnare and mislead. Fortunately for us,�the Gods know what he really�is. You can pretend before men, Sulla, but Vesta knows the truth of my words.
> > > �
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > > �
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@>
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.c om
> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:33 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a law breaker!
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a friend of a law breaker
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a friend to a neo-nazi and who appointed a neo-nazi to the Senate of Nova Roma!
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a panderer.
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer - than to show a complete lack of dignitas and judgement (azresident. mee.nu/warning) .
> > >
> > > And, this ladies and gentlemen is our Vestal! Are you a medical professional that has personally diagnosed me with some type of cancer that my Dr. has missed? Or is this just an opinion?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I said it before and I will say it again - Sulla is a cancer on Nova Roma.
> > > > �
> > > > �
> > > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:04 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The opinion of someone who quit NR for nearly five years with no communication.
> > > > When he returned he posted numerous posts that were aggravating, insulting, and useless.
> > > > The first person in the history of NR to begin a lawsuit when he did not get his way.
> > > > Someone who contnues to use the threat of legal action to accomplish his goals; whatever the hell they are.
> > > > Someone who doesn't contribute to the Sacra et Religio but feels he is qualified to criticize the members of the�CP.
> > > > An empty wine sack full of fumes and dregs of better days.
> > > > Put them all together it spells S-U-L-L-A, a word that means excrement to me.
> > > > < br> > > > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:53 am
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You know the answer to that, already.
> > > >
> > > > Xtian pontiffs.
> > > > near lawsuit before - most likely to happen again if Modianus because censor
> > > > Declining NR organization.
> > > > Magistrates and their subordinates who have no respect for the law
> > > >
> > > > Need I go on?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Are you truly willing to join up with someone who has tried to create other
> > > > > > organizations that competed and tried to subvert Nova Roma? If so, why?
> > > > >
> > > > > Uh, you yourself are *currently* involved in an effort to create another
> > > > > organization that competes with Nova Roma.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that there's anything wrong with that (I'm involved too, peripherally) .
> > > > >
> > > > > But how can you criticize someone else for doing a thing in the past while
> > > > > you're doing exactly the same right now?
> > > > >
> > > > > O.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > > > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> > > > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65812 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: consecutive
That is essentially correct.  If it were not the case then the law would also state that no one can hold the office of censor more than twice in a FOUR year period.  Ah, if only somewhat had contacted the Tribunes before the three day window for a veto had elapsed.

By the way, just because I am agreeing wth you doesn't mean I want you as Censor.  I wish that both of you would withdraw your candidacies.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus


-----Original Message-----
From: Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 9:29 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: consecutive



Cato Agricolae sal.

Salve!

And I agree that consecutive means exactly that. However, the argument being made is that the law refers to the terms of office. Think of it like this, instead:

TERM I: Modianus & Paulinus

TERM II: Paulinus & Laeneas, now Paulinus and ____________ ___

Laenas left, needing a person to serve the remainder of TERM II

TERM I and TERM II are in fact consecutive.

Vale!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <marcus.lucretius@ ...> wrote:
>
> From the Oxford English Dictionary:
>
> CONSECUTIVE
>
> 1. Following continuously; following each its predecessor in uninterrupted succession.
>
>
> ---
>
> The OED gives the above as the first definition of "consecutive" . The first recorded use of the word with this meaning is dated 1611. "Consecutive" does not simply mean "following", it means following in a specific manner, that is, "continuously" , without interruption.
>
> Since the censorship of Laenas intervenes, no law stands in the way of Modianus to candidate for or hold the office of censor.
>
> The meaning of "consecutive" has remained stable in standard English usage for five centuries. No other interpretation is possible of the English words used.
>
> For those who may not know, I am by training and trade an applied linguist, and as such I hold a university faculty position.
>
> The Oxford English Dictionary is the largest and most comprehensive dictionary of English and it is the gold standard for the denotation of English words.
>
> Agricola
>

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65813 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of
Sulla,

Much like Germanicus and Drusus, your best days are behind you.  All that is left are the bitter dregs of a once good vintage.  I like fruit wine as much as the next man but when all that is left is sour crab apples and muscadines, it is time to give it up.

Aureliane


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 9:37 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)



Vestal,

Interesting post.

NR is your life? Seriously? NR is your life? So what would happen if NR ceased to exist? Would the purpose of your life be snuffed out and you would have no reason to live?

Is that point of view really healthy? This is a voluntary internet corporation and you place it with such importance that it is YOUR LIFE?

I did find it interesting that you and I have more in common than I thought - in regards to suing former employers. One would think that given your experience you would have more respect for following the law.

Overall an interesting post. Good luck with20your college education.

And, respect and dignity are earned they are not freely given. This is not a dominate. I have taken oaths too. If we want to play the NR pointy hat comparison game I think my experience and time devoted to NR trumps yours. Having been Consul twice, Censor twice, Preator Urbanus, Quaestor, the first Nova Roman to complete the Cursus Honorum, the first Jewish Consul. First Nova Roman to complete the Lustrum of the Censorship. But, as Aurelianus says my absence for 4 years negates all that previous experience (see Aurelianus I jumped the gun on you). Nevertheless, NR is not the sum of my life. My family, my sister's family and my friends are just as important. As are my cats. As is my upcoming aliyah. The point is keeping a balance between REAL world and NR.

Do you not think that I have received the positions and respect in my jobs without having integrity and respect? Do you think I would have been Consul twice without having integrity and respect? If I did not have those things I would not be the threat that TPTB think that I am. (Well that and my name). You're problem with me is that I am blunt, abrasive, conservative to the hilt, reconstructionist, emotional and extremely vocal. Despite all of those flaws I speak what I believe to be the truth and do so adamantly and will not cease to do so.

Saying NR is your life sounds honestly, very RPGish to me. And, nice job trying to add words to my post - I am the LAST person to=2 0tell anyone that opinions do not count - You are obviously confusing me with the Praetors.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, violetphearsen@ ... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> You have no right to tell me, nor any other Nova Roman, that our opinions do not count. Every person here is entitled to his or her opinion, whether you like it or not.
> You speak of material things. I speak of integrity and honesty.
> If you are a man of such accomplishments as you claim, then why do you not treat others here in Nova Roma with dignity and respect? Here among us you act like a loud-mouth bully, throwing tantrums whenever you don't get your way. You always have. Those are not the actions of a distinguished  and honorable man.
> As always, Sulla, your actions belie your words.
>  
> You want my CV, do you? All right.
>  
>
> I have, over the past seventeen years, developed my devotion to Vesta and to all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma. Then four and a half years ago, I discover Nova Roma. I spent about ten minutes reading everything on our website and then I applied for citizenship without any hesitation because I knew right then and there that Nova Roma was where I wanted to be for the rest of my life.
>  
> When my citizenship was granted to me, I was so very happy, but that happiness did not last long. In my first month as a new citizen in Nova Roma, I became the target of a flame war aimed directly at me by the Boni, of which you were part of, over the topic of animal sacrifice. I was almost kicked out, but cooler heads prevailed. Despite this tumultous beginning, I stayed dedicated to Nova Roma, made some good friends and kept to my studies of the Religio Romana.
>  
> After a year and a half, I submitted my application to join the College of Vestals. At the time, Nova Roma had just one Vestal, my friend, Lucia Modia Lupa. The happiest day I have ever experienced in Nova Roma was January 11, 2006 when Quintus Caecilius Metellus issued the Decreta Pontificum that announced that I was accepted as Sacerdos Vestalis. The saddest day in Nova Roma, for me, was when Lucia Modia Lupa had to retire as a Vestal, as her real life struggles to recover from the havoc Katrina had brought into her life took all her time and energy.
>  
> Then changes began to be made and there was progress going on with the Collegium Pontificum, which admitted me as a member; and a time thereafter, I became the Virgo Maxima. That was the greatest honor I have ever received.
>  
> Now, to become a Vestal in more than just name meant changing my life in big ways, from embracing celibacy and striving for chastity in thought, word and deed, to always speaking the truth or saying nothing at all, to prayin g twice daily to Vesta, to building my own special altar to hold a continuously lit candle, to learning how to start a fire by rubbing two sticks together, to creating rituals for the various festivals of the Roman calendar in which the ancient Vestals participated in, to building an outdoor hearth. All this while still dealing with real life problems that came with caring for elderly parents, maintaining a house and a full time job; and eventually, two jobs. Added to this was my involvement in a lawsuit against my former employer, who had unjustly fired me, along with fourteen other fellow employees, for reporting illegal practices the company was involved in. We won the lawsuit, but it took years.
>  
> Even with all these changes, when I was made the Vestale Maxima, I felt I had to do more. I began working at creating a website to honor Vesta which I wanted to have not only a virtual Temple of Vesta, but a virtual Forum, too. A young woman who had once subscribed to the ML (but after witnessing flame war after flame war, she unsubscribed) offered to help me. We became good friends and she expressed a strong desire to serve Vesta, too.
>  
> I had been very active in some local pagan groups and every chance I got, I brought up my new devotion to Vesta. From these groups came forth another young woman who told me she shared a strong desire to serve Vesta as well. I decided to open up my house to these two women and tr ain them as Vestals, passing on to them all I had learned in my studies and helping them to initiate studies of their own, and so they moved in with me. 
>  
> Then, through some real life changes that happened to all three of us, which included the passing away of my father, we moved to a house which came with a big fireplace and I had it converted into an indoor hearth. We brought the outdoor hearth built at the old house with us to the new house (and that was no easy feat). Now, with an indoor hearth, we could keep a small fire continuously lit, which we began doing on the first of this year. We have set up a schedule wherein we each take turns watching over the fire in shifts. We use the outdoor hearth for public rituals, of which we have had three so far, with a small group of pagan friends in attendance. Nothing big yet, but it's a start.
>  
> I still have two jobs. One of my apprentices also has a full time job while the other is half way through college and has a part time job. Our ultimate goal is to one day move to Rome to live there permanently. However, I would like to built a Temple to Vesta here in the US. I have no idea if I will succeed in either of these goals, but I am determined and trying as best I can. 
>  
> I have no desire to attain high status in the world or to achieve fame or be given positions of authority or to accumulate vast amounts of wealth.20My goal in life is to serve Vesta, and all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma, and to bring to fruition our noble goal - to recreate the greatness that was Rome in our own respublica - Nova Roma. I have committed my life to it.
>  
> And I will defend Nova Roma against any I perceive who threaten her present existence and future success. Nova Roma is here and now, already an actuality and growing every day. You may find all that I have said hard to understand, but that may be because this is not a game to me. Nova Roma is my life.
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>  
>
> "Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."
> "Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."
>  
>  
>
> --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@... > wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@... >
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:14 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> LOL!!!!
>
> How awesome is this! This is almost as good as making Aurelianus (virtually) vomit.
>
> Let me educate you about me.
>
> In my 37 years of life I have been very pleased with w hat I have accomplished. I have two Masters Degrees (MBA and Education). I have a Bachelors Degree in Political Science and a Paralegal's Degree.
>
> Most of my 20s were spent in college.
>
> Over 4 years ago I moved to AZ, in that time I went from having nothing of value, living with my sister, after my apartment break-ins and the death of my kitten. In a dramatic two years I bought a home, purchased the furnishings of my home AND spend $20k on my dream vacation to Israel.
>
> I have positions of responsibility and authority in both of the jobs that I own. Comptroller of a construction company in Phoenix and a college professor. I am authorized to sign for contracts, waivers, accounting, payroll, benefits and am a notary public for the state of Arizona. I have passed checks and investigations. I have been the President of a conglomerate (Taurus Communications) .
>
> You might think I am a cancer, but I have been nominated for Who's Who in Phoenix. You might think I am a cancer, but I am responsible for running a multi-million dollar business. You might think I am a cancer, but I regularly teach 6-8 COLLEGE classes at a time.
>
> In other words, to say it politely, your opinion means nothing. Especially compared to what I have accomplished in my life.
>
> Now, Vestal, lets see your CV?
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, vi oletphearsen@ ... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you not know what a metaphor is, Sulla? I shall explain it to you: "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance. "
> > �
> > You do indeed�resemble a creeping cancer eagerly tearing away at the very fabric of Nova Roma. By every word you write, you pollute the main list with vile and negativity. Your every act, or threatened action, creates a miasma of noxious fumes and the stench sickens all. Yes, like a cancer that once disappeared, you have returned again and your goal, it would seem, is to kill Nova Roma. Who else has threatened our Nova Roma with a lawsuit and parades email after email supposedly from an attorney general on this list, with no less an intention that to disband Nova Roma?
> > Sulla, you are a sad specimen of a man.
> > If you want to threaten me, insult me, make jokes at my expense, go right ahead. Please, continue to show all Nova Romans the true caliber of your person. Don't stop on my account.
> > �
> > Yes, Citizens, I am a Vestal and the Virgo Maxima, too. As such, I have sworn to always speak the truth and I have. This man engages in tactics of divisiveness, spewing animosity, displaying utter contemptuousness for any citizen, even the Virgo Maxima, for daring to tell the truth of what he really is. With his doublespeak, he tries to ensnare and mislead. Fortunately for us,�the Gods know what he really�is. You can pretend before men, Sulla, but Vesta knows the truth of my words.
> > �
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > �
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@ >
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:33 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Better to be a cancer than a law breaker!
> >
> > Better to be a cancer than a friend of a law breaker
> >
> > Better to be a cancer than a friend to a neo-nazi and who appointed a neo-nazi to the Senate of Nova Roma!
> >
> > Better to be a cancer than a panderer.
> >
> > Better to be a cancer - than to show a complete lack of dignitas and judgement (azresident. mee.nu/warning) .
> >
> > And, this ladies and gentlemen is our Vestal! Are you a medical professional that has personally diagnosed me with some type of cancer that my Dr. has missed? Or is this just an opinion?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I said it before and I will say it again - Sulla is a cancer on Nova Roma.
> > > �
> > > �
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:04 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The opinion of someone who quit NR for nearly five years with no communication.
> > > When he returned he posted numerous posts that were aggravating, insulting, and useless.
> > > The first person in the history of NR to begin a lawsuit when he did not get his way.
> > > Someone who contnues to use the threat of legal action to accomplish his goals; whatever the hell they are.
> > > Someone who doesn't contribute to the Sacra et Religio but feels he is qualified to criticize the members of the�CP.
> > > An empty wine sack full of fumes and dregs of better days.
> > > Put them all together it spells S-U-L-L-A, a word that means excrement to me.
> > >
> > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@yahoo. com>
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:53 am
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You know the answer to that, already.
> > >
> > > Xtian pontiffs.
> > > near lawsuit before - most likely to happen again if Modianus because censor
> > > Declining NR organization.
> > > Magistrates and their subordinates who have no respect for the law
> > >
> > > Need I go on?
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >20Are you truly willing to join up with someone who has tried to create other
> > > > > organizations that competed and tried to subvert Nova Roma? If so, why?
> > > >
> > > > Uh, you yourself are *currently* involved in an effort to create another
> > > > organization that competes with Nova Roma.
> > > >
> > > > Not that there's anything wrong with that (I'm involved too, peripherally) .
> > > >
> > > > But how can you criticize someone else for doing a thing in the past while
> > > > you're doing exactly the same right now?
> > > >
> > > > O.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matt Hucke (hucke@), programmer.
> > > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
> > > > CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico. net/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com!
> > >
> >
>

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65814 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Videos about Ancient Rome
Salvete omnes,

A bit of comedy first:
Ovid's Pyramus and Thisbe performed by the Beatles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOpEZM6OEvI


This is the tale of Theseus and Ariadne, and Greek but I thought I would slip it in, I suppose I could say it is Plutarch's version thereby it would be by a Greek who was a Roman citizen... anyway it is very enjoyable despite the language barrier, I was told it was filmed in Greece but it's Spain, and the costumes and scenery are beautiful. Oh and please forgive the occasional use of tennis shoes.:
Pars 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_5DS4bS3ds&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Feclassics%2Ening%2Ecom2Fvideo2Fo2Dminotayros&feature=player_embedded
I did not include Par 2 because most of it is credits.

Valete,
Julia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65815 From: D.O.A. Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
Salve Octavius,

> I don't see any outcome that doesn't lead to lots of anger and demands for
> retribution

My thoughts exactly. I'm already getting knots in my stomache in
anticipation of the next 6 months.

Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65816 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Help with trip to Rome
L. Coruncanius Cato G, Iuliae Cicurinae spd

For a good place to sleep in Roma, try Casa Kolbe (Via San Teodoro). Not cheap, but really a jewel. Quiet and clean. Cheap places to eat nearby. Within 2 minutes walking from the Forum, Circo Massimo, Caracalla and about 5 minutes from Colisseo.

Places to go: Campo dei Fiori. Specially in market days. You can go to Hotel Campo dei Fiori and ask them to go up to the terrace. A great and must have view!! In the market you can search for the herbs and spices. They do really great mixes to condiment pasta, pizza and any kind of food.
Not far from here, you can go to Filetti di Bacallá (Largo dei Librari) to have a taste of their great codfish. Simple but wonderful.
Trajan's Market, and visit the insides, really amazing!!!
The Colosseo from the outside. I went in but nothing much to see. I don't know if now they opened some more areas...
The walls of Vatican City (great thick walls), and the place of one of Magna Mater's ancient temple.

Places NOT to go: Piazza Spagna (full of tourists!! Specially the funny fountain, LOL)

Else than Rome. Firenze, look for the sunset at Ponte Vechio while eating a great and tasty watermelon (beware of pickpockets). Yes I know. Really touristic. The whole Toscana (Modena), and if you like cars, go to Maranello and visit Ferrari's factory.
If you go to Pompeii, you can visit Napoli and/or Pozzuoli, and don't miss the Solfatara, a living vulcan with a camping on the top (I've been camping there, really amazing...and smelly).
Salerno.

My two cents :)

Di vos incolumem custodiant.
--
L. Coruncanius Cato
Aedilis Curulis
Scriba Consulis Hispaniae

--- El vie, 22/5/09, Sondra Jacobs <simchajacobs@...> escribió:

De: Sondra Jacobs <simchajacobs@...>
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Help with trip to Rome
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: viernes, 22 mayo, 2009 3:46

Salvete Omnes,
 
I'm resending this e-mail under a different subject.  I only got two responses and I think it might be because I had it under the wrong heading.  Thanks.
 
Cicurina

--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Sondra Jacobs <simchajacobs@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sondra Jacobs <simchajacobs@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Anything but politics
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 7:30 AM

Salvete Omnes,
 
I just finished reading the article by Caseo Fabius Bueteo Quintilianus called "The Serouisness of Our Res Publica - We need to have a Base in Rome" and I agree 100 percent in RTQ.   
 
On that end, I am planning to visit Rome this coming March (in 2010)  I probably will only go there once in my lifetime and would like some information about what tour companies to use (in English) and what to definately see when there.  My brother and I are going for about 2 weeks.  (but we will be wanting to see other places in Italy, like Pompeii.  We want to concentrate on ancient Rome, not modern.  We want to feel what you were talking about in the article, to experience the glory of Ancient Rome!
 
We are planning to just go stay at a hotel and book tours there (in English), but we've never done this before.  Do you have any ideas that will help?  About what sights to see in the City and also in other parts of Italy.  Also, any websites to visit to book tours and location of the hotels that would be most convenient to touring. 
 
I am so excited to have Rome actually become part of my life!  I am taking Teaching Company courses and reading (and listing on tape) to as much information as I can get my hands on. 
 
Thank you so much for your help in this matter.
 
Valete,
 
Gaia Iulia Cicurina



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65817 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: In Memoriam this Memorial day weekend (OT?)
Salve Censor,
 
Thank you for posting these.  They are extremely moving and profoundly appropriate.  I am old enough to remember that November 11 used to be called Armistice Day, (and I know why), so I have always associated In Flanders Fields with that day, although it is, possibly the most devastatingly beautiful memorial ever written on the subject of the brave war dead.  Usually, also, I post this poem on lists where I am comfortable on that day, so that we, indeed, will not forget.
 
Respectfully,
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65818 From: deciusiunius Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
Salve Iulia,


> You should take a course in logic although you may be very well >defying logic in a very poor effort to discredit my sound enquiry.

I was pointing out for you the absurdity in the connection you made between Aurelianus' an appointment as scriba and Aurelianus' posting in favor of Paulinus' position, as if the offer of a this position could influence anyone to do anything. If you still think you made a logical "sound inquiry" so be it. If you can't see the humor in what you said or in the general silly tempest in a teacup that is and always has been Nova Roman politics (of all political stripes) in general then I worry for you.

> Being a scriba, a senator or any other *title* a citizen may hold >does not supercede a concerned citzenship.
> In this situation I am a Nova Roma citzen first and foremost.
> My position had nothing to do with my enquiry. You assume and so you >are, essentially, what the first three letters in assume spell.

Indeed, since you assume I was referring to your position. I wasn't. I was referring to your attempted connection between Aurelianus' statement and position as scribe. Your position didn't come to mind at all.

Now that you mention it though, diribitor is supposed to be a non-political position whose job is to be objective and count votes. Taking partisan positions might call that into question and you should avoid them. Just friendly advice.

Vale,

Palladius







In general I was making a humorous observation on your comment and the general stzte of

Of course since you are that, it only follows that you can only percieve from your narrow experiences and from your own devious way you proceed in the daily activities of your life.
>
> Vale,
> L. Iulia Aquila
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Salve Aquila,
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Palladius,
> > >
> > > You said that not I.
> > > Century points do not concern me,
> > > Is that the way you view Nova Roma?
> > > A Game? A Role Play?
> >
> > Obviously you do, that was the point. You were clearly serious that an appointment as a scribe would have any influence over someone's opinion on a matter. Yikes.
> >
> > > Do you think this is funny?
> >
> > Indeed I do. More the pity for you that you do not. You still don't get it. I can't help that.
> >
> > > No need to answer those questions.
> > > Your spin has no value with me.
> >
> > Spin? "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
> >
> > > Those who answer for Appius insult him by not allowing him to >answer for himself, which is he is very capable of.
> >
> > I'm not answering for him, I'm enjoying the show. As several people have noted, this is the silly season in Nova Roma.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Palladius
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65819 From: l.coruncanius_cato@yahoo.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Curule Aedile edictum 62-12: Appointment of Scriba

L. Coruncanius Cato aedile omnibusque spd,


Ex hoc, cives Gaius Cocceius Spinula Scriba Cohors Aedilicia creo.

Nullum ius iurandum poscetur.


By this edict, I appoint citizen Gaius Cocceius Spinula as Scriba Cohors Aedilicia.

No oath shall be demanded.


a.d. XI Kal. Iun. ‡ MMDCCLXII a.u.c.


Di vos incolumem custodiant.
--
L. Coruncanius Cato
Aedilis Curulis
Scriba Consulis Hispaniae

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65820 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Curule Aedile edictum 62-12: Appointment of Scriba
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modinaus L. Coruncanio Catoni salutem dicit

Oh no!  Two scribae appointments so far.  What is the world coming to?  LOL!

Vale;

Modianus

2009/5/22 <l.coruncanius_cato@...>


L. Coruncanius Cato aedile omnibusque spd,


Ex hoc, cives Gaius Cocceius Spinula Scriba Cohors Aedilicia creo.

Nullum ius iurandum poscetur.


By this edict, I appoint citizen Gaius Cocceius Spinula as Scriba Cohors Aedilicia.

No oath shall be demanded.




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65821 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: NR Floralia updates
Cn. Lentulus leg. pr. pr. Quiritibus sal.


Just a very quick information, that our guests, A. Apollonius Cordus, C. Petronius Dexter, Sex. Lucilius Tutor and Martina arrived well and we've spent a wonderful afternoon together, visiting historical and famous sites of Budapest, and ending with a dinner.

I must say that talking with Codus in person and listening to his deep thoughts about modern Romanitas and how to approach our most important questions was a wonderful experience, and I've also recieved a wonderful gift from him (a Roman denarius from the republican period, with a Cornelius on it!!). I waited 5 years for this day: to meet my friend!

C. Petronius is a wonderfully nice, polite and humourous person, I highly enjoyed our conversations in Latin with him and Cordus, and I found Petronius a very modest person with a huge knowledge and education. It is gift from Gods to spend this time with Flamen Portunalis Petronius.

Sex. Lucilius Tutor and Matina are just sleeping at my home, very tired of the visiting all the city. They were so warm and nice that I wish to call them my brother and sister. They make me know what the best and most important part of Nova Roma is: friendship without boundaries.

Now, I return to write the coreography texts to the performances, and I prepare to the real Nova Roman ceremony for honouring the 2000th year of Roman presence in Pannonia, and for praying for the future of Nova Roma.

This will be my first public sacrifice as a pontifex, so I will consider it as some kind of ritual investiture to the office. (Your payers are welcome!)

My Roman greetings from Aquincum, in the name Livia, Cordus, Petronius, Tutor and Martina, as well as other Pannonians, Porcius, Vestricius, Lucretia, Popillia, Arrius and everyone! Together with our allied organizations, Nova Roma will be present with at leat 30 people!!






Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65822 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Curule Aedile edictum 62-12: Appointment of Scriba
--- El vie, 22/5/09, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> escribió:

>>Caeso Fabius Buteo Modinaus L. Coruncanio Catoni salutem dicit

>>Oh no!  Two scribae appointments so far.  What is the world coming to?  >>LOL!


You know the answer,  nowhere good.


Vale;

Modianus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65823 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Good point Palladius, she is a Dribitor. Interesting. I wonder if the fix on the election is going to be in before the first ballot is cast.

And, it is interesting that Aurelianus pointed out my concern of bribery goes challenged - yet, when a Dribitor makes the same connection - it goes un-noticed. Was it because I was referring to money and she is referring to century points/pointy hats makes it that much different? Aurelianus would you haul her up on trial too, if she was a Pleb?

Another entry for the soon to be on sale, Nova Roma Double Standard Dictionary.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> >
> Salve Iulia,
>
>
> > You should take a course in logic although you may be very well >defying logic in a very poor effort to discredit my sound enquiry.
>
> I was pointing out for you the absurdity in the connection you made between Aurelianus' an appointment as scriba and Aurelianus' posting in favor of Paulinus' position, as if the offer of a this position could influence anyone to do anything. If you still think you made a logical "sound inquiry" so be it. If you can't see the humor in what you said or in the general silly tempest in a teacup that is and always has been Nova Roman politics (of all political stripes) in general then I worry for you.
>
> > Being a scriba, a senator or any other *title* a citizen may hold >does not supercede a concerned citzenship.
> > In this situation I am a Nova Roma citzen first and foremost.
> > My position had nothing to do with my enquiry. You assume and so you >are, essentially, what the first three letters in assume spell.
>
> Indeed, since you assume I was referring to your position. I wasn't. I was referring to your attempted connection between Aurelianus' statement and position as scribe. Your position didn't come to mind at all.
>
> Now that you mention it though, diribitor is supposed to be a non-political position whose job is to be objective and count votes. Taking partisan positions might call that into question and you should avoid them. Just friendly advice.
>
> Vale,
>
> Palladius
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In general I was making a humorous observation on your comment and the general stzte of
>
> Of course since you are that, it only follows that you can only percieve from your narrow experiences and from your own devious way you proceed in the daily activities of your life.
> >
> > Vale,
> > L. Iulia Aquila
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve Aquila,
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salve Palladius,
> > > >
> > > > You said that not I.
> > > > Century points do not concern me,
> > > > Is that the way you view Nova Roma?
> > > > A Game? A Role Play?
> > >
> > > Obviously you do, that was the point. You were clearly serious that an appointment as a scribe would have any influence over someone's opinion on a matter. Yikes.
> > >
> > > > Do you think this is funny?
> > >
> > > Indeed I do. More the pity for you that you do not. You still don't get it. I can't help that.
> > >
> > > > No need to answer those questions.
> > > > Your spin has no value with me.
> > >
> > > Spin? "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
> > >
> > > > Those who answer for Appius insult him by not allowing him to >answer for himself, which is he is very capable of.
> > >
> > > I'm not answering for him, I'm enjoying the show. As several people have noted, this is the silly season in Nova Roma.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Palladius
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65824 From: Lucius Coruncanius Cato Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: NR Floralia updates
L. Coruncanius Cato Cn. Cornelio Lentulo spd

That sounds great! I wish all of you all the best. Enjoy this weekend.
:D

Di vos incolumem custodiant.

--
L. Coruncanius Cato
Aedilis Curulis
Scriba Consulis Hispaniae

--- El sáb, 23/5/09, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> escribió:

De: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...>
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] NR Floralia updates
Para: "Nova Roma ML" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
Fecha: sábado, 23 mayo, 2009 12:10

Cn. Lentulus leg. pr. pr. Quiritibus sal.


Just a very quick information, that our guests, A. Apollonius Cordus, C. Petronius Dexter, Sex. Lucilius Tutor and Martina arrived well and we've spent a wonderful afternoon together, visiting historical and famous sites of Budapest, and ending with a dinner.

I must say that talking with Codus in person and listening to his deep thoughts about modern Romanitas and how to approach our most important questions was a wonderful experience, and I've also recieved a wonderful gift from him (a Roman denarius from the republican period, with a Cornelius on it!!). I waited 5 years for this day: to meet my friend!

C. Petronius is a wonderfully nice, polite and humourous person, I highly enjoyed our conversations in Latin with him and Cordus, and I found Petronius a very modest person with a huge knowledge and education. It is gift from Gods to spend this time with Flamen Portunalis Petronius.

Sex. Lucilius Tutor and Matina are just sleeping at my home, very tired of the visiting all the city. They were so warm and nice that I wish to call them my brother and sister. They make me know what the best and most important part of Nova Roma is: friendship without boundaries.

Now, I return to write the coreography texts to the performances, and I prepare to the real Nova Roman ceremony for honouring the 2000th year of Roman presence in Pannonia, and for praying for the future of Nova Roma.

This will be my first public sacrifice as a pontifex, so I will consider it as some kind of ritual investiture to the office. (Your payers are welcome!)

My Roman greetings from Aquincum, in the name Livia, Cordus, Petronius, Tutor and Martina, as well as other Pannonians, Porcius, Vestricius, Lucretia, Popillia, Arrius and everyone! Together with our allied organizations, Nova Roma will be present with at leat 30 people!!







Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65825 From: David Kling Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
She is a pleb.

Modianus

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:


Aurelianus would you haul her up on trial too, if she was a Pleb?


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65826 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Salve Palladio,

> I was pointing out for you the absurdity in the connection you made >between Aurelianus' an appointment as scriba and Aurelianus' posting >in favor of Paulinus' position, as if the offer of a this position >could influence anyone to do anything.

I repeat: You should take a course in logic although you may be very well defying logic in a very poor effort to discredit my sound enquiry.

>Indeed, since you assume I was referring to your position. I wasn't. >I was referring to >your attempted connection between Aurelianus' >statement and position as scribe. Your >position didn't come to mind >at all.

If you read carefully I did not assume what you are asserting, for example, I am not Senator which was one of the examples I cited and went on to state my own position. You assume once more.

> Now that you mention it though, diribitor is supposed to be a non->political position whose job is to be objective and count votes. >Taking partisan positions might call that into question and you >should avoid them. Just friendly advice.

I did not mention it, you did.
Doesn't sound very friendly.
You appear to be threatening me Senator Palladius.
It appears just like a threat designed to instill fear to keep citizens from expressing her/his opinions.
It also sounds like an insult to citizens of the respublica when you infer a citizen cannot vote or campaign for the candidate they choose based on their own independent thought processes yet hold a non-partisan, non-political position.
Of course you may not be used to mature individuals who can support a particular candidate yet work impartially according to the will of the Nova Roman people; perhaps this is a reflection upon yourself because you could not yourself be impartial. Or maybe an opinion based on the opinions of the company you keep.
You also demonstrate that you have no confidence in our voting process; a process you, Senator, were instrumental in implementing.
En fin, I belong to no party.

Optime vale,
L. Julia Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65827 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy!
Ah, so even better. I thought Iulia Patrican, but Ok. Now the real test.

Let's see if Aurelianus is going to be consistent. She accused the Trib of bribery. And haul her up to the Comita Plebis...or is that reservation for those who he disagrees with?

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> She is a pleb.
>
> Modianus
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Robert Woolwine <
> l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Aurelianus would you haul her up on trial too, if she was a Pleb?
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65828 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: More Nonsense.
Salve Sulla,

That's right I am a pleb.

*laughs*

I never accused anyone of bribery or anything else.

Now this is funny, don't you have some word to dissect and decide what it *really* means so you and your friends can apply a double standard to it, to keep you busy?
Or a list of your attributes and accomplishments to add to?
Oh and the monumental job of adding your own endless contributions to the so called book you are boring us with which should be called the Back (windbag) Alley double standard dictionary?

You are beyond anyone taking you seriously.

Cura ut valeas,
L. Julia Aquila



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> She is a pleb.
>
> Modianus
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Robert Woolwine <
> l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Aurelianus would you haul her up on trial too, if she was a Pleb?
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65829 From: Roger Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Re Modianus: a candidacy of certain legality.
So, in other words, it's like every election in NR since the beginning of time. :)

Lucius Quintius Constantius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "D.O.A." <roman.babe@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Octavius,
>
> > I don't see any outcome that doesn't lead to lots of anger and demands for
> > retribution
>
> My thoughts exactly. I'm already getting knots in my stomache in
> anticipation of the next 6 months.
>
> Vale,
> Diana
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65830 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy - Opinion of Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis
In a message dated 5/22/2009 12:39:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:
When it was announced that the candidacy of Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus had been accepted by the proper authority, several of the Tribunes expected some immediate appeals from the People to pronounce intercessio against it.  However, no one . . . let me repeat . . . NO ONE contacted myself or any of the other Tribunes (to the best of my knowledge) with a request that it was illegal under the existing laws and should be vetoed.  As such, the thee day window to pronounce the intercessio came and went with nary a whisper.
 
OK, so what you are saying here, had Cato claimed that Modianus as Censor would cause Cato as a citizen to be harmed, you'd done something?  What an ridiculous statement.  You are not Roman Tribunes, you are Nova Roma Tribunes.  Your job is to keep magistrates from abusing the Constitution, that means you observe and react to such abuse.  You don't sit around and sigh: "Oh too bad.  No one objected to that law breaker. And its too late."
At the very least you should have protested the term violation either to the Senate or the Consuls.  Aureliane your own Gensmate made an appeal to the Tribunes.  For you to ignore him, was not cool.
 
I remember Tribunes of the 1999-2003 period.  Now those were Tribunes!  They stuck their nose into everything, asked or unasked.  They acted much like Spartan Ephors.  NR ran much better because of it.
 
I believe the only way out of this mess, is that the Consuls void both candidates, the Senate appoints a neutral player like Audens or  Venator to serve out the remaining year as a an replacement.
 
Otherwise, I see NR paralyzed for the rest of the year.
 
Q. Fabius Maximus   
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65831 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Classic Poetry, Prose, Proems
Salvete Omnes,

For this hour's offering:
Plutarch 33
But besides his massacres, the rest of Sulla's proceedings also gave offence. For he proclaimed himself dictator, reviving this particular office after a lapse of a hundred and twenty years. Moreover, an act was passed granting him immunity for all his past acts, and for the future, power of life and death, of confiscation, of colonization, of founding or demolishing cities, and of taking away or bestowing kingdoms at his pleasure. He conducted the sales of confiscated estates in such arrogant and imperious fashion, from the tribunal where he sat, that his gifts excited more odium than his robberies. He bestowed on handsome women, musicians, comic actors, and the lowest of freedmen, the territories of nations and the revenues of cities, and women were married against their will to some of his favourites. In the case of Pompey the Great, at least, wishing to establish relationship with him, he ordered him to divorce the wife he had, and then gave him in marriage Aemilia, daughter of Scaurus and his own wife Metella, whom he tore away from Manius Glabrio when she was with child by him; and the young woman died in childbirth at the house of Pompey. Lucretius Ofella, who had reduced Marius by siege, gave himself out as a candidate for the consulship, and Sulla at first tried to stop him; but when Ofella came down into the forum with a large and eager following, he sent one of the centurions in his retinue and slew him, himself sitting on a tribunal in the temple of Castor and beholding the murder from above. The people in the forum seized the centurion and brought him before the tribunal, but Sulla bade them cease their clamour, and said that he himself had ordered this deed, and commanded them to let the centurion go.
~From the Life of Sulla


I apologize but I do not have access to either the Greek or Latin Version. If someone has it available please post it if you are able.

Vale,
Julia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65833 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Candidacy - Opinion of Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis
Cato Fabio Maximo Galerio Aureliano SPD

Salvete!

Woooah nellie!

So you're saying that because one candidate is disliked by some and the other candidate is violating the law by his candidacy, the election itself should be voided - contrary to the law? The consuls do not have the power to cancel an election because they - or anyone - may not personally like what may be the only valid candidate.

The difference between those who like my candidacy and those who do not is that if I win, no-one can say that I did so illegally. They might not like it, but at least mine is a clearly legal candidacy.

Valete!

Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 5/22/2009 12:39:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:
>
> When it was announced that the candidacy of Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> had been accepted by the proper authority, several of the Tribunes expected
> some immediate appeals from the People to pronounce intercessio against it.
> However, no one . . . let me repeat . . . NO ONE contacted myself or any
> of the other Tribunes (to the best of my knowledge) with a request that it
> was illegal under the existing laws and should be vetoed. As such, the thee
> day window to pronounce the intercessio came and went with nary a whisper.
>
>
>
>
> OK, so what you are saying here, had Cato claimed that Modianus as Censor
> would cause Cato as a citizen to be harmed, you'd done something? What an
> ridiculous statement. You are not Roman Tribunes, you are Nova Roma
> Tribunes. Your job is to keep magistrates from abusing the Constitution, that
> means you observe and react to such abuse. You don't sit around and sigh:
> "Oh too bad. No one objected to that law breaker. And its too late."
> At the very least you should have protested the term violation either to
> the Senate or the Consuls. Aureliane your own Gensmate made an appeal to
> the Tribunes. For you to ignore him, was not cool.
>
> I remember Tribunes of the 1999-2003 period. Now those were Tribunes!
> They stuck their nose into everything, asked or unasked. They acted much
> like Spartan Ephors. NR ran much better because of it.
>
> I believe the only way out of this mess, is that the Consuls void both
> candidates, the Senate appoints a neutral player like Audens or Venator to
> serve out the remaining year as a an replacement.
>
> Otherwise, I see NR paralyzed for the rest of the year.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
> **************Stay connected and tighten your budget with a great mobile
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65834 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: Re: Classic Poetry, Prose, Proems
Salvete omnes,

In honor of Floralia:
Book V: May 2

When Hyperion's daughter puts the stars to flight,
Raising her light, behind her horses of dawn,
A cold north-westerly will smooth the wheat-tips,
White sails will put out from Calabrian waters.
And when shadowy twilight leads on the night,
No part of the whole herd of Hyades is unknown.
The radiant head of Taurus glitters with seven flames,
That Greek sailors named the Hyades, from `rain' (hyein):
Some think they nursed Bacchus, others believe
They're the granddaughters of Tethys and old Ocean.
Atlas was not yet standing there, his shoulders weighed
By Olympus, when Hyas, known for his beauty, was born:
Aethra, of Ocean's lineage, gave birth to him
And the nymphs at full term, but Hyas was born first.
When the down was new on his cheeks, he scared away
The frightened deer, in terror, and a hare was a good prize.
But when his courage had grown with his years, he dared
To close with wild boar and shaggy lionesses,
And while seeking the lair of a pregnant lioness, and her cubs,
He himself was the bloodstained victim of that Libyan beast.
His mother and his saddened sisters wept for Hyas,
And Atlas, soon doomed to bow his neck beneath the pole,
But the sisters' love was greater than either parent's:
It won them the heavens: Hyas gave them his name.
`Mother of the flowers, approach, so we can honour you
With joyful games! Last month I deferred the task.
You begin in April, and pass into May's span:
One claims you fleeing, the other as it comes on.
Since the boundaries of the months are yours,
And defer to you, either's fitting for your praise.
This is the month of the Circus' Games, and the victors' palm
The audience applauds: let my song accompany the Circus' show.
Tell me, yourself, who you are. Men's opinions err:
You'll be the best informant regarding your own name.'
So I spoke. So the goddess responded to my question,
(While she spoke, her lips breathed out vernal roses):
`I, called Flora now, was Chloris: the first letter in Greek
Of my name, became corrupted in the Latin language.
I was Chloris, a nymph of those happy fields,
Where, as you've heard, fortunate men once lived.
It would be difficult to speak of my form, with modesty,
But it brought my mother a god as son-in-law.
It was spring, I wandered: Zephyrus saw me: I left.
He followed me: I fled: he was the stronger,
And Boreas had given his brother authority for rape
By daring to steal a prize from Erechtheus' house.
Yet he made amends for his violence, by granting me
The name of bride, and I've nothing to complain of in bed.
I enjoy perpetual spring: the season's always bright,
The trees have leaves: the ground is always green.
I've a fruitful garden in the fields that were my dower,
Fanned by the breeze, and watered by a flowing spring.
My husband stocked it with flowers, richly,
And said: "Goddess, be mistress of the flowers."
I often wished to tally the colours set there,
But I couldn't, there were too many to count.
As soon as the frosted dew is shaken from the leaves,
And the varied foliage warmed by the sun's rays,
The Hours gather dressed in colourful clothes,
And collect my gifts in slender baskets.
The Graces, straight away, draw near, and twine
Wreaths and garlands to bind their heavenly hair.
I was first to scatter fresh seeds among countless peoples,
Till then the earth had been a single colour.
I was first to create the hyacinth, from Spartan blood,
And a lament remains written on its petals.
You too, Narcissus, were known among the gardens,
Unhappy that you were not other, and yet were other.
Why tell of Crocus, or Attis, or Adonis, son of Cinyras,
From whose wounds beauty springs, through me?
Mars too, if you're unaware, was brought to birth
By my arts: I pray unknowing Jupiter never knows it.
Sacred Juno grieved that Jupiter didn't need
Her help, when motherless Minerva was born.
She went to Ocean to complain of her husband's deeds:
Tired by the effort she rested at my door.
Catching sight of her, I said: "Why are you here, Saturnia?"
She explained what place she sought, and added
The reason. I consoled her with words of friendship:
She said: "My cares can't be lightened by words.
If Jove can be a father without needing a wife,
And contains both functions in a single person,
Why should I despair of becoming a mother with no
Husband, and, chaste, give birth though untouched by man?
I'll try all the drugs in the whole wide world,
And search the seas, and shores of Tartarus."
Her voice flew on: but my face showed doubt.
She said: "Nymph, it seems you have some power."
Three times I wanted to promise help, three times my tongue
Was tied: mighty Jupiter's anger was cause for fear.
She said: "Help me, I beg you, I'll conceal the fact,
And I'll call on the powers of the Stygian flood as witness."
"A flower, sent to me from the fields of Olenus,
Will grant what you seek," I replied, "unique, in all my garden.
He who gave it to me said: `Touch a barren heifer with this,
And she'll be a mother too.' I did, and she was, instantly."
With that, I nipped the clinging flower with my thumb,
Touched Juno, and as I touched her breast she conceived.
Pregnant now, she travelled to Thrace and the northern shores
Of Propontis: her wish was granted, and Mars was born.
Mindful of his birth that he owed to me, he said:
"You too must have a place in Romulus' City."
Perhaps you think I only rule over tender garlands.
But my power also commands the farmers' fields.
If the crops have flourished, the threshing-floor is full:
If the vines have flourished, there'll be wine:
If the olive trees have flourished, the year will be bright,
And the fruit will prosper at the proper time.
If the flower's damaged, the beans and vetch die,
And your imported lentils, Nile, die too.
Wine too, laboriously stored in the vast cellars,
Froths, and clouds the wine jars' surface with mist.
Honey's my gift: I call the winged ones who make
Honey, to the violets, clover and pale thyme.
I carry out similar functions, when spirits
Run riot, and bodies themselves flourish.'
I admired her, in silence, while she spoke. But she said:
`You may learn the answer to any of your questions.'
`Goddess', I replied: `What's the origin of the games?'
I'd barely ended when she answered me:
`Rich men owned cattle or tracts of land,
Other means of wealth were then unknown,
So the words `rich' (locuples) from `landed' (locus plenus),
And `money' (pecunia) from `a flock' (pecus), but already
Some had unlawful wealth: by custom, for ages,
Public lands were grazed, without penalty.
Folk had no one to defend the common rights:
Till at last it was foolish to use private grazing.
This licence was pointed out to the Publicii,
The plebeian aediles: earlier, men lacked confidence.
The case was tried before the people: the guilty fined:
And the champions praised for their public spirit.
A large part of the fine fell to me: and the victors
Instituted new games to loud applause. Part was allocated
To make a way up the Aventine's slope, then steep rock:
Now it's a serviceable track, called the Publician Road.'
I believed the shows were annual. She contradicted it,
And added further words to her previous speech:
`Honour touches me too: I delight in festivals and altars:
We're a greedy crowd: we divine beings.
Often, through their sins, men render the gods hostile,
And, fawning, offer a sacrifice for their crimes:
Often I've seen Jupiter, about to hurl his lightning,
Draw back his hand, when offered a gift of incense.
But if we're ignored, we avenge the injury
With heavy penalties, and our anger passes all bounds.
Remember Meleager, burnt up by distant flames:
The reason, because Diana's altar lacked its fires.
Remember Agamemnon: the same goddess becalmed the fleet:
A virgin, yet still she twice avenged her neglected hearth.
Wretched Hippolytus, you wished you'd worshipped Venus,
When your terrified horses were tearing you apart.
It would take too long to tell of neglect punished by loss.
I too was once neglected by the Roman Senate.
What to do, how to show my indignation?
What punishment to exact for the harm done me?
Gloomily, I gave up my office. I ceased to protect
The countryside, cared nothing for fruitful gardens:
The lilies drooped: you could see the violets fade,
And the petals of the purple crocus languished.
Often Zephyr said: `Don't destroy your dowry.'
But my dowry was worth nothing to me.
The olives were in blossom: wanton winds hurt them:
The wheat was ripening: hail blasted the crops:
The vines were promising: skies darkened from the south,
And the leaves were brought down by sudden rain.
I didn't wish it so: I'm not cruel in my anger,
But I neglected to drive away these ills.
The Senate convened, and voted my godhead
An annual festival, if the year proved fruitful.
I accepted their vow. The consuls Laenas
And Postumius celebrated these games of mine.
I was going to ask why there's greater
Wantonness in her games, and freer jests,
But it struck me that the goddess isn't strict,
And the gifts she brings are agents of delight.
The drinker's brow's wreathed with sewn-on garlands,
And a shower of roses hides the shining table:
The drunken guest dances, hair bound with lime-tree bark,
And unaware employs the wine's purest art:
The drunken lover sings at beauty's harsh threshold,
And soft garlands crown his perfumed hair.
Nothing serious for those with garlanded brow,
No running water's drunk, when crowned with flowers:
While your stream, Achelous, was free of wine,
No one as yet cared to pluck the rose.
Bacchus loves flowers: you can see he delights
In a crown, from Ariadne's chaplet of stars.
The comic stage suits her: she's never: believe me,
Never been counted among the tragic goddesses.
The reason the crowd of whores celebrate these games
Is not a difficult one for us to discover.
The goddess isn't gloomy, she's not high-flown,
She wants her rites to be open to the common man,
And warns us to use life's beauty while it's in bloom:
The thorn is spurned when the rose has fallen.
Why is it, when white robes are handed out for Ceres,
Flora's neatly dressed in a host of colours?
Is it because the harvest's ripe when the ears whiten,
But flowers are of every colour and splendour?
She nods, and flowers fall as her hair flows,
As roses fall when they're scattered on a table.
There's still the lights, whose reason escaped me,
Till the goddess dispelled my ignorance like this:
`Lights are thought to be fitting for my day,
Because the fields glow with crimson flowers,
Or because flowers and flames aren't dull in colour,
And the splendour of them both attracts the eye:
Or because the licence of night suits my delights,
And this third reason's nearest to the truth.'
`There's one little thing besides, for me to ask,
If you'll allow,' I said: and she said: `It's allowed.'
`Why then are gentle deer and shy hares
Caught in your nets, not Libyan lionesses?'
She replied that gardens not woodlands were her care,
And fields where no wild creatures were allowed.
All was ended: and she vanished into thin air: yet
Her fragrance lingered: you'd have known it was a goddess.
Scatter your gifts, I beg you, over my breast,
So Ovid's song may flower forever.

Postera quum roseam pulsis Hyperionis astris
In matutinis lampada tollit equis, 160
Frigidus Argestes summas mulcebit aristas,
Candidaque a Calabris vela dabuntur aquis.
At simul inducunt obscura crepuscula noctem,
Pars Hyadum toto de grege nulla latet.

Ora micant Tauri septem radiantia flammis, 165
Navita quas Hyadas Graius ab imbre vocat.
Pars Bacchum nutrisse putat: pars credidit esse
Tethyos has neptes, Oceanique senis.
Nondum stabat Atlas humeros oneratus Olympo,
Quum satus est forma conspiciendus Hyas. 170
Hunc stirps Oceani maturis nisibus aethra
Edidit, et Nymphas: sed prior ortus Hyas.
Dum nova lanugo, pavidos formidine cervos
Terret: et est illi praeda benigna lepus.
At postquam virtus annis adolevit, in apros 175
Audet et hirsutas cominus ire feras.
Dumque petit latebras fetae catulosque leaenae,
Ipse fuit Libycae praeda cruenta ferae.
Mater Hyan, et Hyan moestae flevere sorores,
Cervicemque polo suppositurus Atlas. 180
Victus uterque parens tamen est pietate sororum.
Illa dedit coelum: nomina fecit Hyas.

Mater, ades, florum, ludis celebranda jocosis:
Distuleram partes mense priore tuas.
Incipis Aprili: transis in tempora Maii. 185
Alter te fugiens, quum venit alter, habet.
Quum tua sint cedantque tibi confinia mensum,
Convenit in laudes ille vel iste tuas.
Circus in hunc exit, clamataque palma theatris:
Hoc quoque cum Circi munere carmen eat. 190
Ipsa doce, quae sis. Hominum sententia fallax,
Optima tu proprii nominis auctor eris.
Sic ego. Sic nostris respondit diva rogatis:
--Dum loquitur, vernas efflat ab ore rosas--
Chloris eram, quae Flora vocor. Corrupta Latino 195
Nominis est nostri littera Graeca sono.
Chloris eram Nymphe campi felicis, ubi audis
Rem fortunatis ante fuisse viris.
Quae fuerit mihi forma, grave est narrare modestae:
Sed generum matri repperit illa deum. 200
Ver erat: errabam: Zephyrus conspexit. Abibam:
Insequitur; fugio. Fortior ille fuit.
Et dederat fratri Boreas jus omne rapinae,
Ausus Erechthea praemia ferre domo.
Vim tamen emendat dando mihi nomina nuptae: 205
Inque meo non est ulla querela toro.
Vere fruor semper: semper nitidissimus annus.
Arbor habet frondes, pabula semper humus.
Est mihi fecundus dotalibus hortus in agris.
Aura fovet; liquidae fonte rigatur aquae. 210
Hunc meus implevit generoso flore maritus:
Atque ait, Arbitrium tu, dea, floris habe.
Saepe ego digestos volui numerare colores;
Nec potui; numero copia major erat.
Roscida quum primum foliis excussa pruina est, 215
Et variae radiis intepuere comae;
Conveniunt pictis incinctae vestibus Horae,
Inque leves calathos munera nostra legunt.
Protinus accedunt Charites, nectuntque coronas,
Sertaque coelestes implicitura comas. 220
Prima per immensas sparsi nova semina gentes.
Unius tellus ante coloris erat.
Prima Therapnaeo feci de sanguine florem:
Et manet in folio scripta querela suo.
Tu quoque nomen habes cultos, Narcisse, per hortos: 225
Infelix, quod non alter et alter eras!
Quid Crocon, aut Attin referam, Cinyraque creatum,
De quorum per me vulnere surgit honor?
Mars quoque, si nescis, per nostras editus artes.
Jupiter hoc ut adhuc nesciat, usque precor. 230
Sancta Jovem Juno, nata sine matre Minerva,
Officio doluit non eguisse suo.
Ibat, ut Oceano quereretur facta mariti:
Restitit ad nostras fessa labore fores.
Quam simul adspexi, Quid te, Saturnia, dixi, 235
Attulit? Exponit, quem petat illa locum.
Addidit et causam. Verbis solabar amicis.
Non, inquit, verbis cura levanda mea est.
Si pater est factus neglecto conjugis usu
Jupiter, et solus nomen utrumque tenet; 240
Cur ego desperem fieri sine conjuge mater,
Et parere intacto, dummodo casta, viro?
Omnia tentabo latis medicamina terris,
Et freta Tartareos excutiamque sinus.
Vox erat in cursu: vultum dubitantis haebebam. 245
Nescio quid, Nymphe, posse videris, ait.
Ter volui promittere opem, ter lingua retenta est:
Ira Jovis magni causa timoris erat.
Fer, precor, auxilium, dixit; celabitur auctor:
Et Stygiae numen testificatur aquae. 250
Quod petis, Oleniis, inquam, mihi missus ab arvis
Flos dabit. Est hortis unicus ille meis.
Qui dabat, Hoc, dixit, sterilem quoque tange juvencam;
Mater erit. Tetigi; nec mora, mater erat.
Protinus haerentem decerpsi pollice florem. 255
Tangitur; et tacto concipit illa sinu.
Jamque gravis Thracen et laeva Propontidos intrat,
Fitque potens voti; Marsque creatus erat;
Qui memor accepti per me natalis, Habeto
Tu quoque Romulea, dixit, in urbe locum. 260
Forsitan in teneris tantum mea regna coronis
Esse putes; tangit numen et arva meum.
Si bene floruerint segetes, erit area dives:
Si bene floruerit vinea, Bacchus erit.
Si bene floruerint oleae, nitidissimus annus, 265
Pomaque proventum temporis hujus habent.
Flore semel laeso pereunt viciaeque fabaeque,
Et pereunt lentes, advena Nile, tuae.
Vina quoque in magnis operose condita cellis
Florent, et nebulae dolia summa tegunt. 270
Mella meum munus. Volucres ego mella daturas
Ad violam, et cytisos, et thyma cana voco.
Nos quoque idem facimus tunc, quum juvenilibus annis
Luxuriant animi, corporaque ipsa vigent.
Talia dicentem tacitus mirabar. At illa, 275
Jus tibi discendi, si qua requiris, ait.
Dic, dea, ludorum, respondi, quae sit origo.
Vix bene desieram; rettulit illa mihi.
Cetera luxurise nondum instrumenta vigebant:
Aut pecus, aut latam dives habebat humum. 280
Hinc etiam _locuples_, hinc ipsa _pecunia_ dicta est.
Sed jam de vetito quisque parabat opes.
Venerat in morem populi depascere saltus:
Idque diu licuit, poenaque nulla fuit.
Vindice servabat nullo sua publica vulgus: 285
Jamque in privato pascere inertis erat.
Plebis ad aediles perducta licentia talis
Publicios; animus defuit ante viris.
Rem populus recipit: mulctam subiere nocentes.
Vindicibus laudi publica cura fuit. 290
Mulcta data est ex parte mihi: magnoque favore
Victores ludos instituere novos.
Parte locant clivum, qui tune erat ardua rupes.
Utile nunc iter est, Publiciumque vocant.
Annua credideram spectacula facta; negavit: 295
Addidit et dictis altera verba suis.
Nos quoque tangit honos, festis gaudemus et aris:
Turbaque coelestes ambitiosa sumus.
Saepe deos aliquis peccando fecit iniquos:
Et pro delictis hostia blanda fuit. 300
Saepe Jovem vidi, quum jam sua mittere vellet
Fulmina, ture dato sustinuisse manum.
At si negligimur, magnis injuria poenis
Solvitur, et justum praeterit ira modum.
Respice Thestiaden; flammis absentibus arsit. 305
Causa est, quod Phoebes ara sine igne fuit.
Respice Tantaliden: eadem dea vela tenebat.
Virgo est, et spretos his tamen ulta focos.
Hippolyte infelix, velles coluisse Dionen,
Quum consternatis deripereris equis. 310
Longa referre mora est correcta oblivia damnis.
Me quoque Romani praeteriere Patres.
Quid facerem? per quod fierem manifesta doloris?
Exigerem nostrae qualia damna notae?
Excidit officium tristi mihi. Nulla tuebar 315
Rura, nec in pretio fertilis hortus erat.
Lilia deciderant: violas arere videres,
Filaque punicei languida facta croci.
Saepe mihi Zephyrus, Dotes corrumpere noli
Ipsa tuas, dixit. Dos mihi vilis erat. 320
Florebant oleae; venti nocuere protervi.
Florebant segetes; grandine laesa Ceres.
In spe vitis erat: coelum nigrescit ab Austris,
Et subita frondes decutiuntur aqua.
Nec volui fieri, nec sum crudelis in ira: 325
Cura repellendi sed mihi nulla fuit.
Convenere Patres, et, si bene floreat annus,
Numinibus nostris annua festa vovent.
Annuimus voto. Consul cum Consule ludos
Postumio Laenas persoluere mihi. 330
Quaerere conabar, quare lascivia major
His foret in ludis, liberiorque jocus:
Sed mihi succurrit, numen non esse severum,
Aptaque deliciis munera ferre deam.
Tempora sutilibus cinguntur tota coronis, 335
Et latet injecta splendida mensa rosa.
Ebrius incinctis philyra conviva capillis
Saltat, et imprudens vertitur arte meri.
Ebrius ad durum formosse limen amicae
Cantat. Habent unctae mollia serta comae. 340
Nulla coronata peraguntur seria fronte;
Nec liquidae vinctis flore bibuntur aquae.
Donec eras mixtus nullis, Acheloë, racemis,
Gratia sumendae non erat ulla rosae.
Bacchus amat flores: Baccho placuisse coronam, 345
Ex Ariadnaeo sidere nosse potes.
Scena levis decet hanc: non est, mihi credite, non est
Illa cothurnatas inter habenda deas.
Turba quidem cur hos celebret meretricia ludos,
Non ex difficili causa petita subest. 350
Non est de tetricis, nori est de magna professis:
Vult sua plebeio sacra patere choro:
Et monet setatis specie, dum floreat, uti:
Contemni spinam, quum cecidere rosae.
Cur tamen, ut dantur vestes Cerealibus albae, 355
Sic est haec cultu versicolore decens?
An quia maturis albescit messis aristis,
Et color et species floribus omnis inest?
Annuit; et motis flores cecidere capillis,
Accidere in mensas ut rosa missa solet. 360
Lumina restabant; quorum me causa latebat,
Quum sic errores abstulit illa meos:
Vel quia purpureis collucent floribus agri;
Lumina sunt nostros visa decere dies:
Vel quia nec flos est hebeti, nec flamma, colore; 365
Atque oculos in se splendor uterque trahit;
Vel quia deliciis nocturna licentia nostris
Convenit. A vero tertia causa venit.
Est breve praeterea, de quo mihi quaerere restat,
Si liceat, dixi. Dixit et illa, Licet. 370
Cur tibi pro Libycis clauduntur rete leaenis
Imbelles capreae, sollicitusque lepus?
Non sibi, respondit, silvas cessisse, sed hortos,
Arvaque pugnaci non adeunda ferae.
Omnia finierat: tenues secessit in auras. 375
Mansit odor: posses scire fuisse deam.
Floreat ut toto carmen Nasonis in aevo,

Vale,
Julia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 65835 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2009-05-22
Subject: History of Rome Podcast
Salve,

I found this Podcast while looking on iTunes for stuff to put on my
new iPod Touch. I haven't listened to any of it yet, but I thought I
would pass it on.

http://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/the_history_of_rome/

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

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