Salve,

I found this Podcast while looking on iTunes for stuff to put on my
new iPod Touch. I haven't listened to any of it yet, but I thought I
would pass it on.

http://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/the_history_of_rome/

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

--
Deism: A Non-Prophet Religion

Both Audens and Venator would be excellent censors.

AUDENS OR VENATOR FOR CENSOR!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 5/22/2009 12:39:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:
>
> When it was announced that the candidacy of Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> had been accepted by the proper authority, several of the Tribunes expected
> some immediate appeals from the People to pronounce intercessio against it.
> However, no one . . . let me repeat . . . NO ONE contacted myself or any
> of the other Tribunes (to the best of my knowledge) with a request that it
> was illegal under the existing laws and should be vetoed. As such, the thee
> day window to pronounce the intercessio came and went with nary a whisper.
>
>
>
>
> OK, so what you are saying here, had Cato claimed that Modianus as Censor
> would cause Cato as a citizen to be harmed, you'd done something? What an
> ridiculous statement. You are not Roman Tribunes, you are Nova Roma
> Tribunes. Your job is to keep magistrates from abusing the Constitution, that
> means you observe and react to such abuse. You don't sit around and sigh:
> "Oh too bad. No one objected to that law breaker. And its too late."
> At the very least you should have protested the term violation either to
> the Senate or the Consuls. Aureliane your own Gensmate made an appeal to
> the Tribunes. For you to ignore him, was not cool.
>
> I remember Tribunes of the 1999-2003 period. Now those were Tribunes!
> They stuck their nose into everything, asked or unasked. They acted much
> like Spartan Ephors. NR ran much better because of it.
>
> I believe the only way out of this mess, is that the Consuls void both
> candidates, the Senate appoints a neutral player like Audens or Venator to
> serve out the remaining year as a an replacement.
>
> Otherwise, I see NR paralyzed for the rest of the year.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
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Six to eight college classes at a time?  That's laughable...  What are the subjects in these "classes" pray tell?  Yarn Observation?  Pen Collecting?  I'm a doctoral student in mathematics and have attended several schools and have never in my life encountered a single individual that teaches that many different classes; I'm fairly sure that this is impossible unless one teaches courses with the above fatuous topics.
 

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:57:28 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)



Sulla,

Much like Germanicus and Drusus, your best days are behind you.  All that is left are the bitter dregs of a once good vintage.  I like fruit wine as much as the next man but when all that is left is sour crab apples and muscadines, it is time to give it up.

Aureliane


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 9:37 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)

---

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Salvete Omnes,

A procedural question, if I may. Must the tribunes receive a r4equest,
either from a citizen or a magistrate to evaluate and pronounce on a legal
action, or can they act independently upon the published action, edict,
candidacy or proposed legislation?

Respectfully,
C. Maria Caeca

Ave,

I have been teaching college for over 3 years - and was confirmed full time faculty.

You basically want a list of classes I teach? Sure here you go:

Foundations of Business
Critical Thinking
Cultural Diversity
Skills in an Information Age
Introduction to World Cultures and Social Environments
Supervision and Leadership
Organizational Theory and Behavior
Political, Legal and Ethical Environments of Business
Introduction to Marketing
Financial Accounting 1

This are the classes I have been approved to teach. I, on average teach between 6-8 classes at a time.

This job paid for my trip to Israel. Nice try whoever you are.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jesse Corradino <woden66@...> wrote:
>
>
> Six to eight college classes at a time? That's laughable... What are the subjects in these "classes" pray tell? Yarn Observation? Pen Collecting? I'm a doctoral student in mathematics and have attended several schools and have never in my life encountered a single individual that teaches that many different classes; I'm fairly sure that this is impossible unless one teaches courses with the above fatuous topics.
>
>
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...
> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:57:28 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sulla,
>
> Much like Germanicus and Drusus, your best days are behind you. All that is left are the bitter dregs of a once good vintage. I like fruit wine as much as the next man but when all that is left is sour crab apples and muscadines, it is time to give it up.
>
> Aureliane
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 9:37 pm
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Vestal,
>
> Interesting post.
>
> NR is your life? Seriously? NR is your life? So what would happen if NR ceased to exist? Would the purpose of your life be snuffed out and you would have no reason to live?
>
> Is that point of view really healthy? This is a voluntary internet corporation and you place it with such importance that it is YOUR LIFE?
>
> I did find it interesting that you and I have more in common than I thought - in regards to suing former employers. One would think that given your experience you would have more respect for following the law.
>
> Overall an interesting post. Good luck with20your college education.
>
> And, respect and dignity are earned they are not freely given. This is not a dominate. I have taken oaths too. If we want to play the NR pointy hat comparison game I think my experience and time devoted to NR trumps yours. Having been Consul twice, Censor twice, Preator Urbanus, Quaestor, the first Nova Roman to complete the Cursus Honorum, the first Jewish Consul. First Nova Roman to complete the Lustrum of the Censorship. But, as Aurelianus says my absence for 4 years negates all that previous experience (see Aurelianus I jumped the gun on you). Nevertheless, NR is not the sum of my life. My family, my sister's family and my friends are just as important. As are my cats. As is my upcoming aliyah. The point is keeping a balance between REAL world and NR.
>
> Do you not think that I have received the positions and respect in my jobs without having integrity and respect? Do you think I would have been Consul twice without having integrity and respect? If I did not have those things I would not be the threat that TPTB think that I am. (Well that and my name). You're problem with me is that I am blunt, abrasive, conservative to the hilt, reconstructionist, emotional and extremely vocal. Despite all of those flaws I speak what I believe to be the truth and do so adamantly and will not cease to do so.
>
> Saying NR is your life sounds honestly, very RPGish to me. And, nice job trying to add words to my post - I am the LAST person to=2 0tell anyone that opinions do not count - You are obviously confusing me with the Praetors.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, violetphearsen@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You have no right to tell me, nor any other Nova Roman, that our opinions do not count. Every person here is entitled to his or her opinion, whether you like it or not.
> > You speak of material things. I speak of integrity and honesty.
> > If you are a man of such accomplishments as you claim, then why do you not treat others here in Nova Roma with dignity and respect? Here among us you act like a loud-mouth bully, throwing tantrums whenever you don't get your way. You always have. Those are not the actions of a distinguished and honorable man.
> > As always, Sulla, your actions belie your words.
> >
> > You want my CV, do you? All right.
> >
> >
> > I have, over the past seventeen years, developed my devotion to Vesta and to all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma. Then four and a half years ago, I discover Nova Roma. I spent about ten minutes reading everything on our website and then I applied for citizenship without any hesitation because I knew right then and there that Nova Roma was where I wanted to be for the rest of my life.
> >
> > When my citizenship was granted to me, I was so very happy, but that happiness did not last long. In my first month as a new citizen in Nova Roma, I became the target of a flame war aimed directly at me by the Boni, of which you were part of, over the topic of animal sacrifice. I was almost kicked out, but cooler heads prevailed. Despite this tumultous beginning, I stayed dedicated to Nova Roma, made some good friends and kept to my studies of the Religio Romana.
> >
> > After a year and a half, I submitted my application to join the College of Vestals. At the time, Nova Roma had just one Vestal, my friend, Lucia Modia Lupa. The happiest day I have ever experienced in Nova Roma was January 11, 2006 when Quintus Caecilius Metellus issued the Decreta Pontificum that announced that I was accepted as Sacerdos Vestalis. The saddest day in Nova Roma, for me, was when Lucia Modia Lupa had to retire as a Vestal, as her real life struggles to recover from the havoc Katrina had brought into her life took all her time and energy.
> >
> > Then changes began to be made and there was progress going on with the Collegium Pontificum, which admitted me as a member; and a time thereafter, I became the Virgo Maxima. That was the greatest honor I have ever received.
> >
> > Now, to become a Vestal in more than just name meant changing my life in big ways, from embracing celibacy and striving for chastity in thought, word and deed, to always speaking the truth or saying nothing at all, to prayin g twice daily to Vesta, to building my own special altar to hold a continuously lit candle, to learning how to start a fire by rubbing two sticks together, to creating rituals for the various festivals of the Roman calendar in which the ancient Vestals participated in, to building an outdoor hearth. All this while still dealing with real life problems that came with caring for elderly parents, maintaining a house and a full time job; and eventually, two jobs. Added to this was my involvement in a lawsuit against my former employer, who had unjustly fired me, along with fourteen other fellow employees, for reporting illegal practices the company was involved in. We won the lawsuit, but it took years.
> >
> > Even with all these changes, when I was made the Vestale Maxima, I felt I had to do more. I began working at creating a website to honor Vesta which I wanted to have not only a virtual Temple of Vesta, but a virtual Forum, too. A young woman who had once subscribed to the ML (but after witnessing flame war after flame war, she unsubscribed) offered to help me. We became good friends and she expressed a strong desire to serve Vesta, too.
> >
> > I had been very active in some local pagan groups and every chance I got, I brought up my new devotion to Vesta. From these groups came forth another young woman who told me she shared a strong desire to serve Vesta as well. I decided to open up my house to these two women and tr ain them as Vestals, passing on to them all I had learned in my studies and helping them to initiate studies of their own, and so they moved in with me.
> >
> > Then, through some real life changes that happened to all three of us, which included the passing away of my father, we moved to a house which came with a big fireplace and I had it converted into an indoor hearth. We brought the outdoor hearth built at the old house with us to the new house (and that was no easy feat). Now, with an indoor hearth, we could keep a small fire continuously lit, which we began doing on the first of this year. We have set up a schedule wherein we each take turns watching over the fire in shifts. We use the outdoor hearth for public rituals, of which we have had three so far, with a small group of pagan friends in attendance. Nothing big yet, but it's a start.
> >
> > I still have two jobs. One of my apprentices also has a full time job while the other is half way through college and has a part time job. Our ultimate goal is to one day move to Rome to live there permanently. However, I would like to built a Temple to Vesta here in the US. I have no idea if I will succeed in either of these goals, but I am determined and trying as best I can.
> >
> > I have no desire to attain high status in the world or to achieve fame or be given positions of authority or to accumulate vast amounts of wealth.20My goal in life is to serve Vesta, and all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma, and to bring to fruition our noble goal - to recreate the greatness that was Rome in our own respublica - Nova Roma. I have committed my life to it.
> >
> > And I will defend Nova Roma against any I perceive who threaten her present existence and future success. Nova Roma is here and now, already an actuality and growing every day. You may find all that I have said hard to understand, but that may be because this is not a game to me. Nova Roma is my life.
> >
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis
> >
> >
> > "Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."
> > "Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:14 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > LOL!!!!
> >
> > How awesome is this! This is almost as good as making Aurelianus (virtually) vomit.
> >
> > Let me educate you about me.
> >
> > In my 37 years of life I have been very pleased with w hat I have accomplished. I have two Masters Degrees (MBA and Education). I have a Bachelors Degree in Political Science and a Paralegal's Degree.
> >
> > Most of my 20s were spent in college.
> >
> > Over 4 years ago I moved to AZ, in that time I went from having nothing of value, living with my sister, after my apartment break-ins and the death of my kitten. In a dramatic two years I bought a home, purchased the furnishings of my home AND spend $20k on my dream vacation to Israel.
> >
> > I have positions of responsibility and authority in both of the jobs that I own. Comptroller of a construction company in Phoenix and a college professor. I am authorized to sign for contracts, waivers, accounting, payroll, benefits and am a notary public for the state of Arizona. I have passed checks and investigations. I have been the President of a conglomerate (Taurus Communications) .
> >
> > You might think I am a cancer, but I have been nominated for Who's Who in Phoenix. You might think I am a cancer, but I am responsible for running a multi-million dollar business. You might think I am a cancer, but I regularly teach 6-8 COLLEGE classes at a time.
> >
> > In other words, to say it politely, your opinion means nothing. Especially compared to what I have accomplished in my life.
> >
> > Now, Vestal, lets see your CV?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, vi oletphearsen@ ... wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you not know what a metaphor is, Sulla? I shall explain it to you: "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance. "
> > > �
> > > You do indeed�resemble a creeping cancer eagerly tearing away at the very fabric of Nova Roma. By every word you write, you pollute the main list with vile and negativity. Your every act, or threatened action, creates a miasma of noxious fumes and the stench sickens all. Yes, like a cancer that once disappeared, you have returned again and your goal, it would seem, is to kill Nova Roma. Who else has threatened our Nova Roma with a lawsuit and parades email after email supposedly from an attorney general on this list, with no less an intention that to disband Nova Roma?
> > > Sulla, you are a sad specimen of a man.
> > > If you want to threaten me, insult me, make jokes at my expense, go right ahead. Please, continue to show all Nova Romans the true caliber of your person. Don't stop on my account.
> > > �
> > > Yes, Citizens, I am a Vestal and the Virgo Maxima, too. As such, I have sworn to always speak the truth and I have. This man engages in tactics of divisiveness, spewing animosity, displaying utter contemptuousness for any citizen, even the Virgo Maxima, for daring to tell the truth of what he really is. With his doublespeak, he tries to ensnare and mislead. Fortunately for us,�the Gods know what he really�is. You can pretend before men, Sulla, but Vesta knows the truth of my words.
> > > �
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > > �
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@ > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@ >
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:33 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a law breaker!
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a friend of a law breaker
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a friend to a neo-nazi and who appointed a neo-nazi to the Senate of Nova Roma!
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a panderer.
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer - than to show a complete lack of dignitas and judgement (azresident. mee.nu/warning) .
> > >
> > > And, this ladies and gentlemen is our Vestal! Are you a medical professional that has personally diagnosed me with some type of cancer that my Dr. has missed? Or is this just an opinion?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I said it before and I will say it again - Sulla is a cancer on Nova Roma.
> > > > �
> > > > �
> > > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:04 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The opinion of someone who quit NR for nearly five years with no communication.
> > > > When he returned he posted numerous posts that were aggravating, insulting, and useless.
> > > > The first person in the history of NR to begin a lawsuit when he did not get his way.
> > > > Someone who contnues to use the threat of legal action to accomplish his goals; whatever the hell they are.
> > > > Someone who doesn't contribute to the Sacra et Religio but feels he is qualified to criticize the members of the�CP.
> > > > An empty wine sack full of fumes and dregs of better days.
> > > > Put them all together it spells S-U-L-L-A, a word that means excrement to me.
> > > >
> > > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:53 am
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You know the answer to that, already.
> > > >
> > > > Xtian pontiffs.
> > > > near lawsuit before - most likely to happen again if Modianus because censor
> > > > Declining NR organization.
> > > > Magistrates and their subordinates who have no respect for the law
> > > >
> > > > Need I go on?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >20Are you truly willing to join up with someone who has tried to create other
> > > > > > organizations that competed and tried to subvert Nova Roma? If so, why?
> > > > >
> > > > > Uh, you yourself are *currently* involved in an effort to create another
> > > > > organization that competes with Nova Roma.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that there's anything wrong with that (I'm involved too, peripherally) .
> > > > >
> > > > > But how can you criticize someone else for doing a thing in the past while
> > > > > you're doing exactly the same right now?
> > > > >
> > > > > O.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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Salve Maria Caeca 

I am glad you asked
 
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis said in part:

"When it was announced that the candidacy of Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus 
had been accepted by the proper authority, several of the Tribunes expected 
some immediate appeals from the People to pronounce intercession against it."
 
It would be nice to know it these "several ...Tribunes equaled at least three and if they believed that Modianus candidacy was illegal. If they did, the law expects them to act without being asked.
 
Tribunes do not act only when asked to do so. They also need to act if in their own opinion the constitution or laws are being violated. Even if only one Tibune felt the candidacy was illegal that one Tribune need to act
 
The Tribunes had a legal obligation to act.
 
 
"A. Since the Ius Auxili Ferendi is a fundamental prerogative of a Tribunus Plebis as set forth in IV. 7. A of our Constitution, in order for an act of intercessio to be valid the following procedure must be followed whether it is requested by a citizen or performed in his official capacity.

1. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio, it must include the following elements in a reasoned exposition in which the Tribunus shall note whether the auxilium was requested or ex-officio:

• a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the Tribunus Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of the citizen(s) on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided auxilium ex officio.
• b. The official name and office of the magistrate(s) against whose act or acts the intercessio or auxilium has been interposed.
• c. The article(s) of the Constitution or the leges violated by the magistrate's act(s).

 
Vale
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus  


 

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: shoshanahathaway@...
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 23:16:15 -0400
Subject: [Nova-Roma] procedural question

Salve Maria Caeca
 
Yes that is right. If they are acting on their own and not at the request of a citizen they would not need to include a citizens name, as required in 1a, but would indicate that the action was ex officio.
 
Vale
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

 

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: shoshanahathaway@...
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 01:15:08 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] procedural question

I received my BA from a program with at most four people at one time, and each professor was expected to teach a multitude of classes. That's 2 introduction and 2 intermediate courses, and about 4-6 revolving upper division courses, Greek and Latin, which actually made the total number of classes for each 16-20.

Cheers,

Poplicola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jesse Corradino <woden66@...> wrote:
>
>
> Six to eight college classes at a time? That's laughable... What are the subjects in these "classes" pray tell? Yarn Observation? Pen Collecting? I'm a doctoral student in mathematics and have attended several schools and have never in my life encountered a single individual that teaches that many different classes; I'm fairly sure that this is impossible unless one teaches courses with the above fatuous topics.
>
>
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...
> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:57:28 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sulla,
>
> Much like Germanicus and Drusus, your best days are behind you. All that is left are the bitter dregs of a once good vintage. I like fruit wine as much as the next man but when all that is left is sour crab apples and muscadines, it is time to give it up.
>
> Aureliane
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 9:37 pm
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Vestal,
>
> Interesting post.
>
> NR is your life? Seriously? NR is your life? So what would happen if NR ceased to exist? Would the purpose of your life be snuffed out and you would have no reason to live?
>
> Is that point of view really healthy? This is a voluntary internet corporation and you place it with such importance that it is YOUR LIFE?
>
> I did find it interesting that you and I have more in common than I thought - in regards to suing former employers. One would think that given your experience you would have more respect for following the law.
>
> Overall an interesting post. Good luck with20your college education.
>
> And, respect and dignity are earned they are not freely given. This is not a dominate. I have taken oaths too. If we want to play the NR pointy hat comparison game I think my experience and time devoted to NR trumps yours. Having been Consul twice, Censor twice, Preator Urbanus, Quaestor, the first Nova Roman to complete the Cursus Honorum, the first Jewish Consul. First Nova Roman to complete the Lustrum of the Censorship. But, as Aurelianus says my absence for 4 years negates all that previous experience (see Aurelianus I jumped the gun on you). Nevertheless, NR is not the sum of my life. My family, my sister's family and my friends are just as important. As are my cats. As is my upcoming aliyah. The point is keeping a balance between REAL world and NR.
>
> Do you not think that I have received the positions and respect in my jobs without having integrity and respect? Do you think I would have been Consul twice without having integrity and respect? If I did not have those things I would not be the threat that TPTB think that I am. (Well that and my name). You're problem with me is that I am blunt, abrasive, conservative to the hilt, reconstructionist, emotional and extremely vocal. Despite all of those flaws I speak what I believe to be the truth and do so adamantly and will not cease to do so.
>
> Saying NR is your life sounds honestly, very RPGish to me. And, nice job trying to add words to my post - I am the LAST person to=2 0tell anyone that opinions do not count - You are obviously confusing me with the Praetors.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, violetphearsen@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You have no right to tell me, nor any other Nova Roman, that our opinions do not count. Every person here is entitled to his or her opinion, whether you like it or not.
> > You speak of material things. I speak of integrity and honesty.
> > If you are a man of such accomplishments as you claim, then why do you not treat others here in Nova Roma with dignity and respect? Here among us you act like a loud-mouth bully, throwing tantrums whenever you don't get your way. You always have. Those are not the actions of a distinguished and honorable man.
> > As always, Sulla, your actions belie your words.
> >
> > You want my CV, do you? All right.
> >
> >
> > I have, over the past seventeen years, developed my devotion to Vesta and to all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma. Then four and a half years ago, I discover Nova Roma. I spent about ten minutes reading everything on our website and then I applied for citizenship without any hesitation because I knew right then and there that Nova Roma was where I wanted to be for the rest of my life.
> >
> > When my citizenship was granted to me, I was so very happy, but that happiness did not last long. In my first month as a new citizen in Nova Roma, I became the target of a flame war aimed directly at me by the Boni, of which you were part of, over the topic of animal sacrifice. I was almost kicked out, but cooler heads prevailed. Despite this tumultous beginning, I stayed dedicated to Nova Roma, made some good friends and kept to my studies of the Religio Romana.
> >
> > After a year and a half, I submitted my application to join the College of Vestals. At the time, Nova Roma had just one Vestal, my friend, Lucia Modia Lupa. The happiest day I have ever experienced in Nova Roma was January 11, 2006 when Quintus Caecilius Metellus issued the Decreta Pontificum that announced that I was accepted as Sacerdos Vestalis. The saddest day in Nova Roma, for me, was when Lucia Modia Lupa had to retire as a Vestal, as her real life struggles to recover from the havoc Katrina had brought into her life took all her time and energy.
> >
> > Then changes began to be made and there was progress going on with the Collegium Pontificum, which admitted me as a member; and a time thereafter, I became the Virgo Maxima. That was the greatest honor I have ever received.
> >
> > Now, to become a Vestal in more than just name meant changing my life in big ways, from embracing celibacy and striving for chastity in thought, word and deed, to always speaking the truth or saying nothing at all, to prayin g twice daily to Vesta, to building my own special altar to hold a continuously lit candle, to learning how to start a fire by rubbing two sticks together, to creating rituals for the various festivals of the Roman calendar in which the ancient Vestals participated in, to building an outdoor hearth. All this while still dealing with real life problems that came with caring for elderly parents, maintaining a house and a full time job; and eventually, two jobs. Added to this was my involvement in a lawsuit against my former employer, who had unjustly fired me, along with fourteen other fellow employees, for reporting illegal practices the company was involved in. We won the lawsuit, but it took years.
> >
> > Even with all these changes, when I was made the Vestale Maxima, I felt I had to do more. I began working at creating a website to honor Vesta which I wanted to have not only a virtual Temple of Vesta, but a virtual Forum, too. A young woman who had once subscribed to the ML (but after witnessing flame war after flame war, she unsubscribed) offered to help me. We became good friends and she expressed a strong desire to serve Vesta, too.
> >
> > I had been very active in some local pagan groups and every chance I got, I brought up my new devotion to Vesta. From these groups came forth another young woman who told me she shared a strong desire to serve Vesta as well. I decided to open up my house to these two women and tr ain them as Vestals, passing on to them all I had learned in my studies and helping them to initiate studies of their own, and so they moved in with me.
> >
> > Then, through some real life changes that happened to all three of us, which included the passing away of my father, we moved to a house which came with a big fireplace and I had it converted into an indoor hearth. We brought the outdoor hearth built at the old house with us to the new house (and that was no easy feat). Now, with an indoor hearth, we could keep a small fire continuously lit, which we began doing on the first of this year. We have set up a schedule wherein we each take turns watching over the fire in shifts. We use the outdoor hearth for public rituals, of which we have had three so far, with a small group of pagan friends in attendance. Nothing big yet, but it's a start.
> >
> > I still have two jobs. One of my apprentices also has a full time job while the other is half way through college and has a part time job. Our ultimate goal is to one day move to Rome to live there permanently. However, I would like to built a Temple to Vesta here in the US. I have no idea if I will succeed in either of these goals, but I am determined and trying as best I can.
> >
> > I have no desire to attain high status in the world or to achieve fame or be given positions of authority or to accumulate vast amounts of wealth.20My goal in life is to serve Vesta, and all the Gods and Goddesses of Roma, and to bring to fruition our noble goal - to recreate the greatness that was Rome in our own respublica - Nova Roma. I have committed my life to it.
> >
> > And I will defend Nova Roma against any I perceive who threaten her present existence and future success. Nova Roma is here and now, already an actuality and growing every day. You may find all that I have said hard to understand, but that may be because this is not a game to me. Nova Roma is my life.
> >
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis
> >
> >
> > "Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."
> > "Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@>
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Cancer of Nova Roma
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:14 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > LOL!!!!
> >
> > How awesome is this! This is almost as good as making Aurelianus (virtually) vomit.
> >
> > Let me educate you about me.
> >
> > In my 37 years of life I have been very pleased with w hat I have accomplished. I have two Masters Degrees (MBA and Education). I have a Bachelors Degree in Political Science and a Paralegal's Degree.
> >
> > Most of my 20s were spent in college.
> >
> > Over 4 years ago I moved to AZ, in that time I went from having nothing of value, living with my sister, after my apartment break-ins and the death of my kitten. In a dramatic two years I bought a home, purchased the furnishings of my home AND spend $20k on my dream vacation to Israel.
> >
> > I have positions of responsibility and authority in both of the jobs that I own. Comptroller of a construction company in Phoenix and a college professor. I am authorized to sign for contracts, waivers, accounting, payroll, benefits and am a notary public for the state of Arizona. I have passed checks and investigations. I have been the President of a conglomerate (Taurus Communications) .
> >
> > You might think I am a cancer, but I have been nominated for Who's Who in Phoenix. You might think I am a cancer, but I am responsible for running a multi-million dollar business. You might think I am a cancer, but I regularly teach 6-8 COLLEGE classes at a time.
> >
> > In other words, to say it politely, your opinion means nothing. Especially compared to what I have accomplished in my life.
> >
> > Now, Vestal, lets see your CV?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, vi oletphearsen@ ... wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you not know what a metaphor is, Sulla? I shall explain it to you: "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance. "
> > > �
> > > You do indeed�resemble a creeping cancer eagerly tearing away at the very fabric of Nova Roma. By every word you write, you pollute the main list with vile and negativity. Your every act, or threatened action, creates a miasma of noxious fumes and the stench sickens all. Yes, like a cancer that once disappeared, you have returned again and your goal, it would seem, is to kill Nova Roma. Who else has threatened our Nova Roma with a lawsuit and parades email after email supposedly from an attorney general on this list, with no less an intention that to disband Nova Roma?
> > > Sulla, you are a sad specimen of a man.
> > > If you want to threaten me, insult me, make jokes at my expense, go right ahead. Please, continue to show all Nova Romans the true caliber of your person. Don't stop on my account.
> > > �
> > > Yes, Citizens, I am a Vestal and the Virgo Maxima, too. As such, I have sworn to always speak the truth and I have. This man engages in tactics of divisiveness, spewing animosity, displaying utter contemptuousness for any citizen, even the Virgo Maxima, for daring to tell the truth of what he really is. With his doublespeak, he tries to ensnare and mislead. Fortunately for us,�the Gods know what he really�is. You can pretend before men, Sulla, but Vesta knows the truth of my words.
> > > �
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > > �
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@ > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@ >
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 11:33 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a law breaker!
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a friend of a law breaker
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a friend to a neo-nazi and who appointed a neo-nazi to the Senate of Nova Roma!
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer than a panderer.
> > >
> > > Better to be a cancer - than to show a complete lack of dignitas and judgement (azresident. mee.nu/warning) .
> > >
> > > And, this ladies and gentlemen is our Vestal! Are you a medical professional that has personally diagnosed me with some type of cancer that my Dr. has missed? Or is this just an opinion?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I said it before and I will say it again - Sulla is a cancer on Nova Roma.
> > > > �
> > > > �
> > > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:04 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The opinion of someone who quit NR for nearly five years with no communication.
> > > > When he returned he posted numerous posts that were aggravating, insulting, and useless.
> > > > The first person in the history of NR to begin a lawsuit when he did not get his way.
> > > > Someone who contnues to use the threat of legal action to accomplish his goals; whatever the hell they are.
> > > > Someone who doesn't contribute to the Sacra et Religio but feels he is qualified to criticize the members of the�CP.
> > > > An empty wine sack full of fumes and dregs of better days.
> > > > Put them all together it spells S-U-L-L-A, a word that means excrement to me.
> > > >
> > > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_ sulla@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:53 am
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: All those who endorsed Modianus - Question for you?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You know the answer to that, already.
> > > >
> > > > Xtian pontiffs.
> > > > near lawsuit before - most likely to happen again if Modianus because censor
> > > > Declining NR organization.
> > > > Magistrates and their subordinates who have no respect for the law
> > > >
> > > > Need I go on?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >20Are you truly willing to join up with someone who has tried to create other
> > > > > > organizations that competed and tried to subvert Nova Roma? If so, why?
> > > > >
> > > > > Uh, you yourself are *currently* involved in an effort to create another
> > > > > organization that competes with Nova Roma.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that there's anything wrong with that (I'm involved too, peripherally) .
> > > > >
> > > > > But how can you criticize someone else for doing a thing in the past while
> > > > > you're doing exactly the same right now?
> > > > >
> > > > > O.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards. com/
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Sorry, it was made partly in jest. Modianus would never take up such an
offer, therefore what incentive would Cato do the same? I'd vote for a ass
before I'd vote for Modianus (although a compelling argument via a famous
internet picture can be made that Modianus is an ass).

Poplicola

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From: "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:43 PM
To: <BackAlley@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [BackAlley] Re: (unknown)

> LOL no Poplicola posted this in the Forum
>
> --- In BackAlley@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> What did Modianus finally decide to follow the law?
>>
>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Both Audens and Venator would be excellent censors.
>> >
>> > AUDENS OR VENATOR FOR CENSOR!
>> >
>> > ???
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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>

Equestria Sullae sal.

You are confused. Nova Roma is not publicly traded on any stock
exchange. It is a small nonprofit organization incorporated in the
State of Maine. Our Annual Report only requires a listing of the
Board of Directors and Officers. It is a standard form which you
could have easily found with a minimum amount of research. This is
reviewed by me and forwarded to our Registered Agent. Our Registered
Agent reviews it and forwards it to the Secretary of State. The
Secretary of State reviews it and if everything is in order, accepts
it. Let me ask you, is everyone wrong and you right?

What exactly do you get out of constantly spreading misinformation?

Vale.

On May 22, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Robert Woolwine wrote:
> Actually,
>
> I can explain it. You want to know the difference between Congruence
> and compliance?
>
> Every year Nova Roma has to file an annual report (Title 13 Maine
> Not Profit Act Section B and Section C). Now, what does that mean?
> In the simplest base terms an annual report:
>
> An Annual report is a comprehensive report on a company's activities
> throughout the preceding year. Annual reports are intended to give
> shareholders and other interested persons information about the
> company's activities and financial performance. Most jurisdictions
> require companies to prepare and disclose annual reports, and many
> require the annual report to be filed at the company's registry.
> Companies listed on a stock exchange are also required to report at
> more frequent intervals (depending upon the rules of the stock
> exchange involved). (this is taken from Wikipediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_report)
>
> An annual report generally consists of:
>
> Typically annual reports will include:
>
> * Chairman's report
> * CEO's report
> * Auditor's report on corporate governance
> * Mission statement
> * Corporate governance statement of compliance
> * Statement of directors' responsibilities
> * Invitation to the company's AGM
>
> as well as financial statements including:
>
> * Auditor's report on the financial statements
> * Balance sheet
> * Statement of retained earnings
> * Income statement
> * Cash flow statement
> * Notes to the financial statements
> * Accounting policies
> _____
>
> Now with that in mind - for $3.xx US anyone can download Nova Roma's
> annual report
>
> http://icrs.informe.org/nei-sos-icrs/ICRS?CorpSumm=20010268ND - just
> click LIST ALL FILING. It is public record.
>
> Now, when you spend the 3 bucks. What does our annual report say?
> Nothing of substance. What it does have is the address and legal
> names of each member of the board of directors.
>
> Letter from the Officers? Nope
> Letter from the CFO? Nope
> Accounting Information? Nope
> Mission Statement? Nope
> Corporate Governance and statement of compliance? Nope
> Financial Statements? Nope.
>
> So, the difference between Congruence and compliance - is simple. We
> have a report that we have to file with Maine - we call it an annual
> report - thought it has nothing of substance on it - and congruence
> is met. Compliance on the other hand? Well that is a different story.
>
> And, for those who automatically will not believe what I say - I
> challenge you - download the annual report and see for yourselves.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Also an Accountant
>

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Deus Volcanus vos porrigat.

Hodie est ante diem X Kalendas Iunonias; haec dies nefastus piaculum est: TUBILUSTRIUM; feriae Volcano; dies Rosarium


Tubilustrium

As on 23 March, the Tubilustrium of 23 May was a purification of the tubae by which the Comitia Curiata was called to assemble in the comitia calata on the following day. This Comitia witnessed the proclamation of wills, and some forms of adoptions. The following day in March is marked Q. R. C. F. That is, Quando Rex comitiavit fas, Other comitia could not meet as tribunals until the Rex would dismiss the Comitia Curiata.


Festival of Volcanus and Maia

"Holy Vulcanus, foremost of those who cherish this place, to You we pray for peace. Grant Your ultimate assistance to the tired and worn, and, if no one here merits punishment for some noxious crime, may You have mercy on all their souls and allow them to reach Your purifying fountains. Three times they invoke Your name, three times they pour rich incense upon the focal fire, and strewn the altar with auspicious boughs in Your honour." ~ Grattius Faliscus, Cynegetica 437-442

"Soon, I pray, Vulcan, memories of whispered rumors of disgrace and loud quarrels of complaint You will no longer hold against the children of Mars; we are also the children of Your sweet wife Venus, spare us, Father." ~ Marcus Valerius Martialis, Epigrammata 5.7.5

"Why did Romulus build a temple of Volcanus outside the City? Was it in consequence of Volcanus' fabled jealousy of Mars because of Venus that Romulus, the reputed son of Mars, did not give Volcanus a share in his home or City? Or is this a foolish explanation, and was the temple originally built as a secret place of assembly and council chamber for himself and his colleague Tatius,that here they might convene with senators and take counsel concerning public affairs in quiet without being disturbed? Or was it that since Rome, from the very beginning, has been in great danger from conflagrations, they decided to show honor to this God, but to place His temple outside the City?" ~ Plutarch, Roman Questions 47

In Greek myth Hephaestus was married to Aphrodite. Maia was a nymph identified with the largest star among the Pleiades as the rising of that group of stars in spring signified rain. And Maia was said to be the mother of Hernes by Zeus. Among the Romans Maia is instead associated with Volcanus. She is an Earth Goddess related to the Bona Dea. On 1 May sacrifices were offered to Maia, and to the Bona Dea by the flamen Volcanalis. Originally Volcanus was probably a Latin version of Italic Vertumnus, who was later reintroduced. Volcanus was thus the God of inner warmth that 'ripened' the Earth Mother in spring in the same way that we'll later see Vertumnus 'ripen' Flora. As Cicero said, there are numerous deities but only a few names found in the Libri Pontifici for them all. The layers upon layers of Roman polytheism, although confusing at times, also explains some of these divers entries about the Gods.


AUC 690 / 63 BCE: Pompeius Magnus takes Jerusalem


Dies Rosarium

On this day wreathes of roses were laid as offerings on the tombs and monuments of the Manes that, like the Temple of Volcanus, lay outside the City of Rome.


Our thought for today is from Sextus, 10:

"God, indeed, is not in want of anything, but the wise man is in want of God alone. He, therefore, who is in want but of few things, and those necessary, emulates Him who is in want of nothing."

Equestria Sullae sal.

That is a remarkably diverse mix of classes and quite impressive. You
must have at least a few degrees and certificates (PhD, MBA, CPA,
etc.) especially to be a confirmed full-time faculty in this job market.

Vale.

On May 23, 2009, at 12:23 AM, Robert Woolwine wrote:
> Ave,
>
> I have been teaching college for over 3 years - and was confirmed
> full time faculty.
>
> You basically want a list of classes I teach? Sure here you go:
>
> Foundations of Business
> Critical Thinking
> Cultural Diversity
> Skills in an Information Age
> Introduction to World Cultures and Social Environments
> Supervision and Leadership
> Organizational Theory and Behavior
> Political, Legal and Ethical Environments of Business
> Introduction to Marketing
> Financial Accounting 1
>
> This are the classes I have been approved to teach. I, on average
> teach between 6-8 classes at a time.
>
> This job paid for my trip to Israel. Nice try whoever you are.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla

So now we are a company?And are we all stockholders.Would that be common or preferred?Who is our CEO?What renumeration does she/he recieve?

--- On Sat, 5/23/09, D. Boyle <deandreaboyle@...> wrote:

> From: D. Boyle <deandreaboyle@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: 3 Reasons to Not Vote
> To: "Nova Roma" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 5:23 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Equestria Sullae sal.
>
>
>
> You are confused. Nova Roma is not publicly traded on any
> stock
>
> exchange. It is a small nonprofit organization
> incorporated in the
>
> State of Maine. Our Annual Report only requires a listing
> of the
>
> Board of Directors and Officers. It is a standard form
> which you
>
> could have easily found with a minimum amount of research.
> This is
>
> reviewed by me and forwarded to our Registered Agent. Our
> Registered
>
> Agent reviews it and forwards it to the Secretary of State.
> The
>
> Secretary of State reviews it and if everything is in
> order, accepts
>
> it. Let me ask you, is everyone wrong and you right?
>
>
>
> What exactly do you get out of constantly spreading
> misinformation?
>
>
>
> Vale.
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Robert Woolwine wrote:
>
> > Actually,
>
> >
>
> > I can explain it. You want to know the difference
> between Congruence
>
> > and compliance?
>
> >
>
> > Every year Nova Roma has to file an annual report
> (Title 13 Maine
>
> > Not Profit Act Section B and Section C). Now, what
> does that mean?
>
> > In the simplest base terms an annual report:
>
> >
>
> > An Annual report is a comprehensive report on a
> company's activities
>
> > throughout the preceding year. Annual reports are
> intended to give
>
> > shareholders and other interested persons information
> about the
>
> > company's activities and financial performance.
> Most jurisdictions
>
> > require companies to prepare and disclose annual
> reports, and many
>
> > require the annual report to be filed at the
> company's registry.
>
> > Companies listed on a stock exchange are also required
> to report at
>
> > more frequent intervals (depending upon the rules of
> the stock
>
> > exchange involved). (this is taken from Wikipediahttp: //en.wikipedia. org/wiki/
> Annual_report)
>
> >
>
> > An annual report generally consists of:
>
> >
>
> > Typically annual reports will include:
>
> >
>
> > * Chairman's report
>
> > * CEO's report
>
> > * Auditor's report on corporate governance
>
> > * Mission statement
>
> > * Corporate governance statement of compliance
>
> > * Statement of directors' responsibilities
>
> > * Invitation to the company's AGM
>
> >
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> > as well as financial statements including:
>
> >
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> > * Auditor's report on the financial statements
>
> > * Balance sheet
>
> > * Statement of retained earnings
>
> > * Income statement
>
> > * Cash flow statement
>
> > * Notes to the financial statements
>
> > * Accounting policies
>
> > _____
>
> >
>
> > Now with that in mind - for $3.xx US anyone can
> download Nova Roma's
>
> > annual report
>
> >
>
> > http://icrs.
> informe.org/ nei-sos-icrs/ ICRS?CorpSumm= 20010268ND -
> just
>
> > click LIST ALL FILING. It is public record.
>
> >
>
> > Now, when you spend the 3 bucks. What does our annual
> report say?
>
> > Nothing of substance. What it does have is the address
> and legal
>
> > names of each member of the board of directors.
>
> >
>
> > Letter from the Officers? Nope
>
> > Letter from the CFO? Nope
>
> > Accounting Information? Nope
>
> > Mission Statement? Nope
>
> > Corporate Governance and statement of compliance?
> Nope
>
> > Financial Statements? Nope.
>
> >
>
> > So, the difference between Congruence and compliance -
> is simple. We
>
> > have a report that we have to file with Maine - we
> call it an annual
>
> > report - thought it has nothing of substance on it -
> and congruence
>
> > is met. Compliance on the other hand? Well that is a
> different story.
>
> >
>
> > And, for those who automatically will not believe what
> I say - I
>
> > challenge you - download the annual report and see for
> yourselves.
>
> >
>
> > Vale,
>
> >
>
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> > Also an Accountant
>
> >
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I have a friend who teaches philosophy at a community college and adjuncts at another college.  Between the two he teaches probably 5 courses a quarter; however, at the two institutions I'm most familiar with tenured faculty teach no more than 3 courses a quarter/semester and typically only teach 2 at a time.  At the school I am at now it alternates one semester 2 courses and then in the following 3.  I too am baffled by the idea of teaching 6 to 8 courses at a time.  How can a single person teach that much/often and still work someplace else.  I suppose if some of those were taught on-line you could teach that many.  Also, I've never considered the faculty at institutions I've been a student "professors" unless they were doctorate possessing tenured faculty; those with masters degrees teaching I've always considered instructors.  Not that I give any more or less respect, it does remain an issue of academic status.

Valete;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Jesse Corradino <woden66@...> wrote:

Six to eight college classes at a time?  That's laughable...  What are the subjects in these "classes" pray tell?  Yarn Observation?  Pen Collecting?  I'm a doctoral student in mathematics and have attended several schools and have never in my life encountered a single individual that teaches that many different classes; I'm fairly sure that this is impossible unless one teaches courses with the above fatuous topics.

Always a bundle of joy and pleasantries.  I am so glad I don't live in your gloomy and depressive world.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:

Sorry, it was made partly in jest. Modianus would never take up such an
offer, therefore what incentive would Cato do the same? I'd vote for a ass
before I'd vote for Modianus (although a compelling argument via a famous
internet picture can be made that Modianus is an ass).

Poplicola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Roger" <politicog@...> wrote:

>
> So, in other words, it's like every election in NR since the >beginning of time. :)

Pretty much, yeah. :-) There's a bit more of a cloud than usual because of the divisive nature of the two candidates but you're right, it's business as usual.

Palladius

Salve et salvete;

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Q. Valerius Poplicola wrote:
>
> Both Audens and Venator would be excellent censors.
>
> AUDENS OR VENATOR FOR CENSOR!
>

Thank you for thinking so highly of me. Save for occasional lapses in
my verbiage (and ability to participate due to personal circumstance),
I have tried hard to uphold the Virtues both Civic and Private, and to
further the building of Nova Roma.

For myself, I must demur, and beg off consideration at this time, or
in the foreseeable future; having neither the time nor talent that
this office deserves.

M Minucius Audens would have my support, if he is so inclined.

As I have written before, I stay with Nova Roma because the goal is
worthy of pursuit and will help as circumstance allows.

To my subject line. . .Roma Antiqua was known for her politicians, and
for her Statesmen.

Nova Roma is awash in politicians; who amongst us, could be considered
(man or woman) as a Statesman by a wide variety of folks herein?

Think, please, who has worked long and hard. Who has not engaged in
the "more energetic" debates. Who has done their best to advance the
creation of our culture? Think both inside and outside the realm of
our governance.

. . .and, I am not necessarily looking for on-list replies, just
asking that my fellow cives take a good look around, and think.

Again, I recuse myself from consideration, but am grateful that many
have expressed positive opinions about me in the past.

=====================================
In amicitia et fide
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Poeta, Coquuor et Cerevisiae Coctor

(all sites subject to sporadic updates =)
http://www.myspace.com/venator_poetus
http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:

>
> Salve Palladio,

Salve Iulia,

BTW, it's Palladi if you're addressing me in the vocative.

>
> > I was pointing out for you the absurdity in the connection you made >between Aurelianus' an appointment as scriba and Aurelianus' posting >in favor of Paulinus' position, as if the offer of a this position >could influence anyone to do anything.
>
> I repeat: You should take a course in logic although you may be very well defying logic in a very poor effort to discredit my sound enquiry.

Your repetition makes no more sense than it did the first time. Why you think I should try to discredit your "inquiry" is beyond me. I was trying to get you lighten up and see the humor here. All of us would get along better if we didn't take ourselves quite so seriously.

> > Now that you mention it though, diribitor is supposed to be a non->political position whose job is to be objective and count votes. >Taking partisan positions might call that into question and you >should avoid them. Just friendly advice.
>
> I did not mention it, you did.
> Doesn't sound very friendly.
> You appear to be threatening me Senator Palladius.

Lighten up, if that is possible, please. Damned email blows things all out of proportion. Are you able to have a conversation without going to the extremes? I am not "threatening" you. What "threat" could I possibly make? This is a mailing list for Gods' sake. I apologize if you think that is the case.

> It appears just like a threat designed to instill fear to keep >citizens from expressing her/his opinions.

Instill fear???? Please keep things in perspective. You scare easily if reading an email about Nova Roman politics can possibly scare you. Hit the delete button if something scares you.

> It also sounds like an insult to citizens of the respublica when >you infer a citizen cannot vote or campaign for the candidate they >choose based on their own independent thought processes yet hold a >non-partisan, non-political position.

Ideally that is true, when you are diribitor you should not. When I was custos I studiously avoided making partisan statements, that's the nature of these positions (it's also why you can't run for office until 2010). It's like a moderator at a town meeting or a justice of the peace who counts votes (examples from the macro world); anyone anywhere who handles ballots has to avoid overt signs of partisanship, it's the nature of the beast.

> You also demonstrate that you have no confidence in our voting >process; a process you, Senator, were instrumental in implementing.

I'll only accept partial blame. :-) It's been a long time since I held any position that had any influence over our system. It has changed over the years.

Vale,

Palladius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

>
> Cato Fabio Maximo Galerio Aureliano SPD

Salve Cato,

> So you're saying that because one candidate is disliked by some and >the other candidate is violating the law by his candidacy, the >election itself should be voided - contrary to the law? The consuls >do not have the power to cancel an election because they - or anyone >- may not personally like what may be the only valid candidate.

Yes, if they wished they could cancel the election and start over by virtue of their imperium. Once the election is over they couldn't but right now, yeah, they could pull the election if they wanted.

I see nothing that could prevent that legally. Do you?

Vale,

Palladius

I believe that the following are possible:

1. The issuing Consul could withdraw the edict.

2. The issuing Consul's colleague in the Consulship could veto the edict.

3. Both candidates could withdraw, thus allowing the Consuls to call a new election.

4. Asuming Contio has not yet begun, or is not yet over, a Tribune could issue an edict cancelling the entire election, or any candidacy therein, but this is allowable only during Contio, and only effective if a majority of the Tribunes agree.

5. One of the Comitia could pass a lex revoking magisterial edicts regarding the election. I just sent a message a few minutes ago (using the Yahoo Groups website, rather than my e-mail client), that proposes this method to do precisely that. I got a message on the site that it was "awaiting approval". Hopefully it will be posted soon. Of course, this would have to be done before the election is held, because were it to pass after an election, it would then an invalid "ex post facto" lex.


Lucius Quintis Constantius

--- On Sat, 5/23/09, deciusiunius <bcatfd@...> wrote:

> From: deciusiunius <bcatfd@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Candidacy - Opinion of Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 10:29 AM
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com,
> "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Fabio Maximo Galerio Aureliano SPD
>
>
> Salve Cato,
>
>
> > So you're saying that because one candidate is
> disliked by some and >the other candidate is violating
> the law by his candidacy, the >election itself should be
> voided - contrary to the law? The consuls >do not have
> the power to cancel an election because they - or anyone
> >- may not personally like what may be the only valid
> candidate.
>
> Yes, if they wished they could cancel the election and
> start over by virtue of their imperium. Once the election is
> over they couldn't but right now, yeah, they could pull the
> election if they wanted.
>
> I see nothing that could prevent that legally. Do you?
>
> Vale,
>
> Palladius
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     mailto:Nova-Roma-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

Apparently listing the imaginary courses he teaches demonstrates that he teaches eight classes simultaneously.  Also, don't forget that mentioning a trip he took to Israel also should convince you that this impossible thing happens; I mean, if he says it happened, then I guess that erases any doubt!  QED? 
 
Still, I guess emailing people photos of yarn for his Yarn 101 section online would allow him to cut down to seven classes-a schedule managable enough to actually still have time to run several corporate conglomerates-as you point out below.  I'm just coming from the point of view of a difficult subject like mathematics where the professors cannot spread themselves thinner than cellophane so that they can get a check for whatever.  That's why I find this claim so incredible.  
 

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: tau.athanasios@...
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:53:23 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Sulla's rebuttal - Re: Nova-Roma is my life (Was:The Cancer of Nova Roma)



I have a friend who teaches philosophy at a community college and adjuncts at another college.  Between the two he teaches probably 5 courses a quarter; however, at the two institutions I'm most familiar with tenured faculty teach no more than 3 courses a quarter/semester and typically only teach 2 at a time.  At the school I am at now it alternates one semester 2 courses and then in the following 3.  I too am baffled by the idea of teaching 6 to 8 courses at a time.  How can a single person teach that much/often and still work someplace else.  I suppose if some of those were taught on-line you could teach that many.  Also, I've never considered the faculty at institutions I've been a student "professors" unless they were doctorate possessing tenured faculty; those with masters degrees teaching I've always considered instructors.  Not that I give any more or less respect, it does remain an issue of academic status.

Valete;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Jesse Corradino <woden66@...> wrote:

Six to eight college classes at a time?  That's laughable...  What are the subjects in these "classes" pray tell?  Yarn Observation?  Pen Collecting?  I'm a doctoral student in mathematics and have attended several schools and have never in my life encountered a single individual that teaches that many different classes; I'm fairly sure that this is impossible unless one teaches courses with the above fatuous topics.

---

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Considering the issues raised in the current debate on the Censor Suffectus election mess, I propose a possible solution to the issue.

I ask one of the Praetors to call the Comitia Centuriata to consider the proposed lex below. This proposed lex would do the following: revoke the edict calling for candidates for Censor Suffectus and all proceedings held under its authority, i.e. both candidacies are void. It then instructs the Consuls to issue a new edict for the Censor Suffectus election, and requires such an edict to be issued within 72 hours of the approval of the proposed lex. Should the Consuls fail or refuse to do so within the required period, then the Consuls are considered to fall within the meaning of "derelict in his duties" in the NR Constitution, and the office of both Consuls declared vacant. Finally, only in the event of the consulship being declared vacant, the Senate is then instructed to immediately appoint an interrex in the terms of the Constitution, who has the authority to call new elections for the Consulship.

I have no axe to grind against the current Consuls. However, a lex that only proposes something but does not provide penalties, is ineffective. I presume that in the event of this lex being proposed and passed, the Consuls will undoubtedly do their duties and issue the new edictum. However, in case, for whatever reason, that doesn't happen, this lex would then provide the remedy, by declaring the consulship vacant on its own terms, without the necessity of calling the Comitia again.

The reason that I am asking the Praetors to convene the Comiata Centuriata is because this lex expressly deals with the duties of the Consuls and issues instructions to them. Since this could be considered conflict of interest, in the interest of the impartiality of proceedings, then the Praetors should preside over the Comitia during the discussion and vote on this item.

This lex does not directly address the issue of the legality of the candidacies. That is also an issue that needs to be made clear in the law. However, this lex would let us start the process all over again. While we are doing so, I would advise convening magistrates that they should consider proposals to clarify the meaning of "consecutive" in operative legislation.

I think in the current climate, the election of either current candidate is likely to lead to disaster. If we follow this method that I propose, the People will decide the issue before proceeding to the election. If they think it is o.k. to proceed as is, vote against this proposed lex, if they think we need a do-over, vote for it.

My understanding of the naming conventions of the leges in Nova Roma is admittedly deficient. Therefore, I have not given a name to this lex, but appreciate anyone that can give it an appropriate name.


Lucius Quintius Constantius


Proposed new lex:

[Insert name of lex]

1. The Consular Call for candidates for the office of Censor Suffectus, to supply the vacancy caused by the resignation of former Censor Gaius Popillius Laenas, issued by Consul Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, on ante diem X Kal. Mai, A.U.C. MMDCCLXII, in the consulship of Marcus Curiatus Complutensis and Marcus Iulius Severus, is hereby revoked and all proceedings held thereunder are hereby declared null and void.

2. The Consuls are hereby instructed to issue a new edictum calling for qualified candidates for the office of Censor Suffectus for the term ending December 31, MMDCCLXIII, to fill the vacancy caused by the reignation of former Censor Gaius Popillius Laenas.

3. The edictum referred to in paragraph 2 shall be issued within 72 hours of the approval of this lex.

4. If the edictum referred to in paragraph 3 is not issued within the time specified, the consuls are considered to have met the standard of "derelict in his duties" in IV.A. of the Constitution of Nova Roma, and the office of both Consuls is declared vacant.

5. Only if the terms in paragraph 4 are operative, the Senate is instructed to immediately select an interrex in the terms of the provisions of IV.B.2. of the Constitution of Nova Roma.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

From the constitution:

To call the Senate, the comitia centuriata, and the comitia populi tributa to order when the Consuls are unavailable;

--

Praetores can convene the senate and comitia to order "when the Consuls are unavailable."  They are available; therefore, the praetores cannot convene the Comitia Centuriate.

Valete:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Roger <politicog@...> wrote:

Considering the issues raised in the current debate on the Censor Suffectus election mess, I propose a possible solution to the issue.

I ask one of the Praetors to call the Comitia Centuriata to consider the proposed lex below. This proposed lex would do the following: revoke the edict calling for candidates for Censor Suffectus and all proceedings held under its authority, i.e. both candidacies are void. It then instructs the Consuls to issue a new edict for the Censor Suffectus election, and requires such an edict to be issued within 72 hours of the approval of the proposed lex. Should the Consuls fail or refuse to do so within the required period, then the Consuls are considered to fall within the meaning of "derelict in his duties" in the NR Constitution, and the office of both Consuls declared vacant. Finally, only in the event of the consulship being declared vacant, the Senate is then instructed to immediately appoint an interrex in the terms of the Constitution, who has the authority to call new elections for the Consulship. 

Cato Palladio sal.

Salve!

Yes, of course I do. It would violate the law. An election has been called and at least one viable candidate has declared.

There is no legally-sound reason why an election cannot be held. There seems to be the prevalent feeling that "emotional" is equivalent to "reasonable" or "legal". This is not the case.

Consular imperium does not override the law dictating when elections must be held to fill vacancies in an office.

Vale!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Fabio Maximo Galerio Aureliano SPD
>
>
> Salve Cato,
>
>
> > So you're saying that because one candidate is disliked by some and >the other candidate is violating the law by his candidacy, the >election itself should be voided - contrary to the law? The consuls >do not have the power to cancel an election because they - or anyone >- may not personally like what may be the only valid candidate.
>
> Yes, if they wished they could cancel the election and start over by virtue of their imperium. Once the election is over they couldn't but right now, yeah, they could pull the election if they wanted.
>
> I see nothing that could prevent that legally. Do you?
>
> Vale,
>
> Palladius
>

Equestria Iunia Laeca L. Quintio Constantio sal.

There is no election mess. We have two perfectly legal candidates for
Censor Suffectus. The Tribunes, Consuls, and Praetors have all
validated this. Now, the power has been given to the people to decide.

Vale.

On May 23, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Roger wrote:
> Considering the issues raised in the current debate on the Censor
> Suffectus election mess

Salve Pallidio,

The back alley bunch always looks for little things. Thank you for the correction but I addressed you in the dative, not vocative, which is correct after "Salve". I've actually had a few courses in Latin, not to mention making continual *enquiries* of the Magistra and others as to Latin form. I have long understood that continual education is imperative. Now either enquiry or inquiry is correct of course you and yours will probably launch an inquisition into one word...have at it. I won't play. However, by starting this game you and your friends may become privy to numerous spelling and usage corrections and the worse offenders are those who brag about their educations but their statements are punctuated with spelling errors. Or those who take a simple concept and compose a five or six paragraph legal composition when it could be done in a quarter of that length. This also strikes me funny because you and your friends have the nerve to call others bureaucrats. Put that in the double standard dictionary.
Now this is funny!*laugh*
One point you do not seem to understand. I belong to no party and have made no partisan statements. Particularly in this thread. Quite frankly you and your friends from the back alley demonstrate behavior of bullies.
I do not plan to run for any candidacy in 2010 or at anytime.
Words are powerful no matter how you like to downplay them.

I have my answer and believe Appius Galerius Aurelianus to be an honorable man.
There is no more need for me to engage in anymore discourse in this thread.

Vale
Julia

So has Contio closed and the election begun? I may have missed the message stating that. If Contio has closed, then I will withdraw my request to the Praetors for the proposed lex.

If it has closed, could someone please give me the message number. Thanks.

If it has not closed, then the election has not yet started, and it not *yet* in the hands of the people. The whole purpose of using this as a proposed solution, is that is allows the whole NR citizenship to decide whether or not the election in valid.


Lucius Quintius Constantius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "D. Boyle" <deandreaboyle@...> wrote:
>
> Equestria Iunia Laeca L. Quintio Constantio sal.
>
> There is no election mess. We have two perfectly legal candidates for
> Censor Suffectus. The Tribunes, Consuls, and Praetors have all
> validated this. Now, the power has been given to the people to decide.
>
> Vale.
>
>
>
> On May 23, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Roger wrote:
> > Considering the issues raised in the current debate on the Censor
> > Suffectus election mess
>

Salvete Omnes,

This hour's selection is from Martialis' Epigrams BK V:
LI. ON A PRETEND LAWYER.
That person yonder, who has his left arm heavily laden with manuscripts, who is closely pressed by a beardless band of short-hand writers, who fixes a grave look on papers and letters, which people bring him from various quarters, assuming a demeanour like that of Cato, or Cicero, or Brutus, that person, I say, Rufus, even should torture try to compel him, cannot properly utter "good morning," either in Latin or in Greek. If you think I am joking, let us go and address him.

Valete,
Julia

P.S. Thank you Magistra for your contribution to this thread;)

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Quntio Constantio salutem dicit

The call of the comitia occurred several days ago.  I was the augur consulted to take the auspices for the comitia call, and the call lists the dates of the contio and the time for elections.  A new edict would be necessary, to my knowledge, to modify the edict that called for the comitia -- and a new augury performed.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Roger <politicog@...> wrote:

So has Contio closed and the election begun? I may have missed the message stating that. If Contio has closed, then I will withdraw my request to the Praetors for the proposed lex.

If it has closed, could someone please give me the message number. Thanks.

If it has not closed, then the election has not yet started, and it not *yet* in the hands of the people. The whole purpose of using this as a proposed solution, is that is allows the whole NR citizenship to decide whether or not the election in valid.

Lucius Quintius Constantius

Equestria sal.

No, Contio has not closed. Though there is no one left to intercede.
All appropriate magistrates have looked at this issue in detail and
determine the candidates are both legal. When the time comes, the
election will go forward.

Vale.

On May 23, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Roger wrote:
> So has Contio closed and the election begun? I may have missed the
> message stating that. If Contio has closed, then I will withdraw my
> request to the Praetors for the proposed lex.
>
> If it has closed, could someone please give me the message number.
> Thanks.
>
> If it has not closed, then the election has not yet started, and it
> not *yet* in the hands of the people. The whole purpose of using
> this as a proposed solution, is that is allows the whole NR
> citizenship to decide whether or not the election in valid.
>
> Lucius Quintius Constantius
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "D. Boyle" <deandreaboyle@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Equestria Iunia Laeca L. Quintio Constantio sal.
> >
> > There is no election mess. We have two perfectly legal candidates
> for
> > Censor Suffectus. The Tribunes, Consuls, and Praetors have all
> > validated this. Now, the power has been given to the people to
> decide.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 23, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Roger wrote:
> > > Considering the issues raised in the current debate on the Censor
> > > Suffectus election mess
> >
>
>
>

Salve Equestria,

>That is a remarkably diverse mix of classes and quite impressive. You
>must have at least a few degrees and certificates (PhD, MBA, CPA,
>etc.) especially to be a confirmed full-time faculty in this job >market.

You forgot to mention that Sulla has another job as an accountant for a construction company. He is a jack of all trades, master of none I suppose. However does he have the time with his fingers glued to his i-phone or kb. Wonders never cease!
Now that's funnah!

Vale,
Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> From the constitution:
>
> To call the Senate, the *comitia centuriata*, and the *comitia populi
> tributa* to order when the Consuls are unavailable;
>
> --
>
> Praetores can convene the senate and comitia to order "when the Consuls are
> unavailable." They are available; therefore, the praetores cannot convene
> the Comitia Centuriate.
>
> Valete:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
>

Neither the Constitution nor the leges define "unavailable", which is obviously a much more fluid term than is "absent". I submit that conflict of interest could be a valid reason for a Consul to be considered "unavailable".

Let us assume a hypothetical situation which I hope will make my meaning clear. In this situation, two Consuls are elected who are members of Ordo Equester and business partners. They decide on forming a new joint venture, the Senate approves of, but the Senate asks for the confirmation of the Comitia Centuriata for the new business. Now presumably in such a case, the conflict of interest would seem to clearly require a presiding magistrate other than one of the Consuls. Therefore, it seems to me, that conflict of interest is a situation in which the Consuls are unavailable.

But this could also be remedied by the proposal being taken up instead by the Comitia Plebis Tributa. However, I would personally prefer that if it is taken up at all, that it be done in a Comitia in which all NR citizens are eligible to vote.

Lucius Quintius Constantius

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Quintio Constantio salutem dicit

There are two precedents that already exist in Nova Roma that define "unavailable" as absent.  Both cases involve the convening of the senate.  When Cato was praetor he was asked to convene the senate by a consul; however, the senatores didn't accept his convening.  Likewise, recently Praetor Marinus tried to convene the senate at the request of the consules and several senatores protested this convening claiming the consules were present and that this convening was contrary to our law -- I think there was some threating of calling the Maine Attorney General, but that has become the typical modus operandi for several folks here.

Likewise, even with your scenario listed below the senate can ONLY advise the consules and not command them, the exception of this is an SCU which would require the consules to convene the senate and would negate the need for a comitia call.  Furthermore, even if a praetor convened the comitia a consul would still have the right of intercessio since a praetor is junior to a consul.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Roger <politicog@...> wrote:

Neither the Constitution nor the leges define "unavailable", which is obviously a much more fluid term than is "absent". I submit that conflict of interest could be a valid reason for a Consul to be considered "unavailable".

Let us assume a hypothetical situation which I hope will make my meaning clear. In this situation, two Consuls are elected who are members of Ordo Equester and business partners. They decide on forming a new joint venture, the Senate approves of, but the Senate asks for the confirmation of the Comitia Centuriata for the new business. Now presumably in such a case, the conflict of interest would seem to clearly require a presiding magistrate other than one of the Consuls. Therefore, it seems to me, that conflict of interest is a situation in which the Consuls are unavailable.

But this could also be remedied by the proposal being taken up instead by the Comitia Plebis Tributa. However, I would personally prefer that if it is taken up at all, that it be done in a Comitia in which all NR citizens are eligible to vote.

Lucius Quintius Constantius 

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus M. Valerio Potito salutem dicit

As a former US Navy Photographers Mate (having served on the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower) during the first Gulf War I thank you for your kind words to those who serve, and have served, in the US armed forces.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Steve Moore <astrobear@...> wrote:

M. Valerius Potitus omnibus SPD.

 

I extend best wishes to all members of the armed forces and their on the Tubilustrium and this Memorial Day weekend. Thank you for your service in defense of your countries. We honor your service.

 

I also extend best wishes to the various re-enactment Roman legions, particularly Legio IX Hispana. You are an important part of reviving Roman life, crafts, and values.

 

Valete,

 

M. Valerius Potitus

Governor of America Austroccidentalis

Ave,

Thank you.

Yes, I have a Masters of education - the Emphasis was geared towards teaching High School kids (in the fields of history, social sciences, government)

My MBA has two emphasis one in Accounting and one in Entrepreneurial and Intrapreneural Management.

My Bachelors Degree was in Political Science with an emphasis on Public Administration.

The AAS Degree in paralegal studies.

The only educational goal I have yet to achieve was a JD.

Respectfully,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "D. Boyle" <deandreaboyle@...> wrote:
>
> Equestria Sullae sal.
>
> That is a remarkably diverse mix of classes and quite impressive. You
> must have at least a few degrees and certificates (PhD, MBA, CPA,
> etc.) especially to be a confirmed full-time faculty in this job market.
>
> Vale.
>
>
>
> On May 23, 2009, at 12:23 AM, Robert Woolwine wrote:
> > Ave,
> >
> > I have been teaching college for over 3 years - and was confirmed
> > full time faculty.
> >
> > You basically want a list of classes I teach? Sure here you go:
> >
> > Foundations of Business
> > Critical Thinking
> > Cultural Diversity
> > Skills in an Information Age
> > Introduction to World Cultures and Social Environments
> > Supervision and Leadership
> > Organizational Theory and Behavior
> > Political, Legal and Ethical Environments of Business
> > Introduction to Marketing
> > Financial Accounting 1
> >
> > This are the classes I have been approved to teach. I, on average
> > teach between 6-8 classes at a time.
> >
> > This job paid for my trip to Israel. Nice try whoever you are.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
>

Salvete
 
Here is the report of the Senate Session that Cato presided over as Praetor and at my request.  My Consular colleague was AWOL and I  was in Europe for a month with intermittent internet access. 
 
 http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Session_LXXXVIII_4_September_2760
 
Valete
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

---

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: tau.athanasios@...
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:34:01 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Open Letter to the Praetors: Possible Solution for Election Mess

Universities can hire individuals with Masters Degrees. And, I have two of those. Since my emphasis is in business classes my education and MBA graduate degrees both reinforce each other.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> I have a friend who teaches philosophy at a community college and adjuncts
> at another college. Between the two he teaches probably 5 courses a
> quarter; however, at the two institutions I'm most familiar with tenured
> faculty teach no more than 3 courses a quarter/semester and typically only
> teach 2 at a time. At the school I am at now it alternates one semester 2
> courses and then in the following 3. I too am baffled by the idea of
> teaching 6 to 8 courses at a time. How can a single person teach that
> much/often and still work someplace else. I suppose if some of those were
> taught on-line you could teach that many. Also, I've never considered the
> faculty at institutions I've been a student "professors" unless they were
> doctorate possessing tenured faculty; those with masters degrees teaching
> I've always considered instructors. Not that I give any more or less
> respect, it does remain an issue of academic status.
>
> Valete;
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Jesse Corradino <woden66@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Six to eight college classes at a time? That's laughable... What are the
> > subjects in these "classes" pray tell? Yarn Observation? Pen Collecting?
> > I'm a doctoral student in mathematics and have attended several schools and
> > have never in my life encountered a single individual that teaches that many
> > different classes; I'm fairly sure that this is impossible unless one
> > teaches courses with the above fatuous topics.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Would you please list my title correctly. I am not JUST an accountant. I am the Comptroller of the construction company. The title on my business card says Comptroller. :)

Essentially I run the office and am empowered to sign contracts, change orders. Deal with retention related issues (construction terminology). I also deal with AR/AP, HR, Benefits analysis, filing the 940s, 941s, 1120s, making sure our annual report is filed yearly. Legal issues ranging from collections, filing and enforcing liens, going after bonds, suing contractors for non-payment. Insurance related matters (workers comp, general liability, commercial umbrella policies) as well as medical, dental and vision insurance for our employees. I also coordinate with our foremen to make sure they conduct safety meetings, prepare billings for our contractors.

Thank you for trying to diminish my duties and responsibilities. I have been at this job just over 4 years. (I was hired on my B-day May 8th). My iPhone and my previous blackberry allows me the ability to be online ANYWHERE. :) Just like when I was in Israel I was in constant contact with my jobs. And, was able to teach and grade papers while I was out of the country.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Equestria,
>
> >That is a remarkably diverse mix of classes and quite impressive. You
> >must have at least a few degrees and certificates (PhD, MBA, CPA,
> >etc.) especially to be a confirmed full-time faculty in this job >market.
>
> You forgot to mention that Sulla has another job as an accountant for a construction company. He is a jack of all trades, master of none I suppose. However does he have the time with his fingers glued to his i-phone or kb. Wonders never cease!
> Now that's funnah!
>
> Vale,
> Julia
>

Salvete,


No offense to Sulla, but I cannot be the only person who feels these
posts are getting to personal and revealing? Why the nitpicking over
his professions? Yes it's good to know that Sulla is qualified and
capable of all these professions yet this seems to be getting to be a
forced issue...In the future if NR needs any help in the areas of
Sulla's expertise, then we know who to raise the flag to. Otherwise
getting a tad bit unneccessary folks..

Optime Valete,
Aeternia

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Robert Woolwine
<l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

>
>
> Would you please list my title correctly. I am not JUST an accountant. I am
> the Comptroller of the construction company. The title on my business card
> says Comptroller. :)
>
> Essentially I run the office and am empowered to sign contracts, change
> orders. Deal with retention related issues (construction terminology). I
> also deal with AR/AP, HR, Benefits analysis, filing the 940s, 941s, 1120s,
> making sure our annual report is filed yearly. Legal issues ranging from
> collections, filing and enforcing liens, going after bonds, suing
> contractors for non-payment. Insurance related matters (workers comp,
> general liability, commercial umbrella policies) as well as medical, dental
> and vision insurance for our employees. I also coordinate with our foremen
> to make sure they conduct safety meetings, prepare billings for our
> contractors.
>
> Thank you for trying to diminish my duties and responsibilities. I have been
> at this job just over 4 years. (I was hired on my B-day May 8th). My iPhone
> and my previous blackberry allows me the ability to be online ANYWHERE. :)
> Just like when I was in Israel I was in constant contact with my jobs. And,
> was able to teach and grade papers while I was out of the country.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>>
>> Salve Equestria,
>>
>> >That is a remarkably diverse mix of classes and quite impressive. You
>> >must have at least a few degrees and certificates (PhD, MBA, CPA,
>> >etc.) especially to be a confirmed full-time faculty in this job >market.
>>
>> You forgot to mention that Sulla has another job as an accountant for a
>> construction company. He is a jack of all trades, master of none I suppose.
>> However does he have the time with his fingers glued to his i-phone or kb.
>> Wonders never cease!
>> Now that's funnah!
>>
>> Vale,
>> Julia
>>
>
>

Is there a reason why Tink is still being moderated?

How long has her moderation been going on?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
>
> No offense to Sulla, but I cannot be the only person who feels these
> posts are getting to personal and revealing? Why the nitpicking over
> his professions? Yes it's good to know that Sulla is qualified and
> capable of all these professions yet this seems to be getting to be a
> forced issue...In the future if NR needs any help in the areas of
> Sulla's expertise, then we know who to raise the flag to. Otherwise
> getting a tad bit unneccessary folks..
>
> Optime Valete,
> Aeternia
>
> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Robert Woolwine
> <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Would you please list my title correctly. I am not JUST an accountant. I am
> > the Comptroller of the construction company. The title on my business card
> > says Comptroller. :)
> >
> > Essentially I run the office and am empowered to sign contracts, change
> > orders. Deal with retention related issues (construction terminology). I
> > also deal with AR/AP, HR, Benefits analysis, filing the 940s, 941s, 1120s,
> > making sure our annual report is filed yearly. Legal issues ranging from
> > collections, filing and enforcing liens, going after bonds, suing
> > contractors for non-payment. Insurance related matters (workers comp,
> > general liability, commercial umbrella policies) as well as medical, dental
> > and vision insurance for our employees. I also coordinate with our foremen
> > to make sure they conduct safety meetings, prepare billings for our
> > contractors.
> >
> > Thank you for trying to diminish my duties and responsibilities. I have been
> > at this job just over 4 years. (I was hired on my B-day May 8th). My iPhone
> > and my previous blackberry allows me the ability to be online ANYWHERE. :)
> > Just like when I was in Israel I was in constant contact with my jobs. And,
> > was able to teach and grade papers while I was out of the country.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Salve Equestria,
> >>
> >> >That is a remarkably diverse mix of classes and quite impressive. You
> >> >must have at least a few degrees and certificates (PhD, MBA, CPA,
> >> >etc.) especially to be a confirmed full-time faculty in this job >market.
> >>
> >> You forgot to mention that Sulla has another job as an accountant for a
> >> construction company. He is a jack of all trades, master of none I suppose.
> >> However does he have the time with his fingers glued to his i-phone or kb.
> >> Wonders never cease!
> >> Now that's funnah!
> >>
> >> Vale,
> >> Julia
> >>
> >
> >
>

Salvete Omnes,

This hour's selection is an epigram ascribed to Martialis found in manuscripts and old glossaries including editions of Hadrianus Junius (Adrien de Jonghe, 1512-1575).
I.
When asked what are my employments while living in the country, I answer briefly thus: At dawn I address my prayer to the gods; I visit my slaves and my fields, and allot to my people each his due portion of work. Then I read, and invoke Phoebus, and solicit the Muses. Next I anoint myself with olive oil, and take gentle exercise in the palaestra; at peace in mind, and free from interest-bearing debts. Then I dine, drink, sing, play, bathe, sup, and go to bed; while my little lamp consumes its modicum of oil, and furnishes these trifles elaborated by the aid of the muses at night.

Valete,
Julia

Why don't you contact the Maine Attorney General?  Or talk with your lawyer?  Or file a suit against the praetores or their scribae?  Or perhaps you could stop looking for conspiracies at every opportunity!

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

Is there a reason why Tink is still being moderated?

How long has her moderation been going on?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
>
> No offense to Sulla, but I cannot be the only person who feels these
> posts are getting to personal and revealing? Why the nitpicking over
> his professions? Yes it's good to know that Sulla is qualified and
> capable of all these professions yet this seems to be getting to be a
> forced issue...In the future if NR needs any help in the areas of
> Sulla's expertise, then we know who to raise the flag to. Otherwise
> getting a tad bit unneccessary folks..
>
> Optime Valete,
> Aeternia

Salve Sulla,

Who is Tink?

Vale optime,
Julia

Salvete,


No offense to Sulla, but I cannot be the only person who feels these
posts are getting to personal and revealing? Why the nitpicking over
his professions? Yes it's good to know that Sulla is qualified and
capable of all these professions yet this seems to be getting to be a
forced issue...In the future if NR needs any help in the areas of
Sulla's expertise, then we know who to raise the flag to. Otherwise
getting a tad bit unneccessary folks..

Optime Valete,
Aeternia

Aeternia Cornelia - her nickname is Tink. :)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Sulla,
>
> Who is Tink?
>
> Vale optime,
> Julia
>

She has been a citizen in good standing in Nova Roma since 2000. Should a citizen in good standing for almost 9 years be moderated on the ML? It sure seems that is acceptable to you.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Why don't you contact the Maine Attorney General? Or talk with your
> lawyer? Or file a suit against the praetores or their scribae? Or perhaps
> you could stop looking for conspiracies at every opportunity!
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Robert Woolwine <
> l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Is there a reason why Tink is still being moderated?
> >
> > How long has her moderation been going on?
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Jennifer
> > Harris <cyannerose@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvete,
> > >
> > >
> > > No offense to Sulla, but I cannot be the only person who feels these
> > > posts are getting to personal and revealing? Why the nitpicking over
> > > his professions? Yes it's good to know that Sulla is qualified and
> > > capable of all these professions yet this seems to be getting to be a
> > > forced issue...In the future if NR needs any help in the areas of
> > > Sulla's expertise, then we know who to raise the flag to. Otherwise
> > > getting a tad bit unneccessary folks..
> > >
> > > Optime Valete,
> > > Aeternia
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Salve Modianus,


Those words were completely unneccesary as well, Syulla was wondering
why I am being moderated considering I have been a member of this
organization since '00..... Is it due to the fact that I usually keep
a low profile perhaps? It was for clarification purposes only and I
again request that this moderation be lifted rectified whatever have
you..


Gents... Take some midol please :-)

Vale,
R. Cornelia Aeternia (That "Tink" person)

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:06 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
>
> Why don't you contact the Maine Attorney General?  Or talk with your
> lawyer?  Or file a suit against the praetores or their scribae?  Or perhaps
> you could stop looking for conspiracies at every opportunity!
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Robert Woolwine
> <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is there a reason why Tink is still being moderated?
>>
>> How long has her moderation been going on?
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Salvete,
>> >
>> >
>> > No offense to Sulla, but I cannot be the only person who feels these
>> > posts are getting to personal and revealing? Why the nitpicking over
>> > his professions? Yes it's good to know that Sulla is qualified and
>> > capable of all these professions yet this seems to be getting to be a
>> > forced issue...In the future if NR needs any help in the areas of
>> > Sulla's expertise, then we know who to raise the flag to. Otherwise
>> > getting a tad bit unneccessary folks..
>> >
>> > Optime Valete,
>> > Aeternia
>>
>
>

> I ask one of the Praetors to call the Comitia Centuriata to consider
> the proposed lex below. This proposed lex would do the following: revoke the
> edict calling for candidates for Censor Suffectus and all proceedings held
> under its authority, i.e. both candidacies are void.

Do the Praetores have a time machine? The election for Censor is already set up;
thus any special election would have to be called for after, and attempting to undo
the results of an election - after it's been decided - would result in a battle of
words even uglier than the one that's happening now.

O.
(oddly amvsed)

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/

Salvete Omnes,

It strikes me that we are like a small town, but, geographically scattered
over several continents. I dearly love out International character, but it
is extremely difficult to foster a sense of cohesive community when the
likelihood is that most of us will never meet one another, personally. True,
local organizations and events are the best option for doing this, with
certain limitations, but even that is not always possible. Some Provinces
are just too large, and some citizens, even in relatively small provinces
cannot travel far, for a number of valid reasons. My point is, though, that
human, informal contact is as important to the growth of this community as
are more formal initiatives. It's so very much harder to attack or dismiss
(though some do manage), someone with you have developed a sense of
personality. They become multi-dimensional to you. You know a bit about
their lives, their problems, their sense of humor, and if you don't
understand something they are saying, or why they are saying it, you can
resolve that immediately, and, hopefully, in a friendly way. It is possible
to develop personal correspondences here, as many of us have done, and they
are extremely satisfying. Not as satisfying as sitting around a table, or
doing something together, but if the optimum choices are unavailable, then
the positive steps are to take advantage of those which do exist.

In addition, because of our International nature, we have many citizens who
are using their 2nd or 3rd (or whatever number applies), to communicate,
which creates issues on both sides. Things get a bit tangled in
translation, at times, and takes a deal of patience for someone for whom
English is a learned language to plow through long posts and translate them,
let alone find the nuances of personality which peep through.

I am saying all this because we have an untapped, virtually unused, resource
available to us, 7 days week, 24 hours a day. We have a chat room. The
software to use it is free (I think, though I had to buy mine, because I
have to use special tools with it), it is easy to access, and free to use.
Because it is a private room, we don't have to put up with some of the
negative side effects of chat rooms, and it is a good place to have fun,
brainstorm ideas, get to know one another better, and get a sense of the
personalities behind the names in an informal, person to person manner. Not
the ideal, and yes, I *do* realize that we are still seeing only what wishes
to be seen on both sides, but with a bit of effort, time, and a modicum of
trust, it can work for us. We had a market day chat recently, to which no
one came. I find that a bit sad, but I'm stubborn, if nothing else, so here
is what I'm going to do.

When I am at home, and on the computer, I will be in the chat room. You can
do anything while waiting for folks to drop in, so I won't be sitting idle,
and I invite those of you who have never come in to do so, because I would
very much like to get to know you, as I have a few of our citizens who
already use this resource.

If I mistake the information below, someone *please* correct me!

You can find and download the IRC software which is called Mirc by simply
doing a Google search on the term Mirc. Once you have done so and installed
it, simply go to IRC.freenode.net and then type /join #NovaRoma. That's it.
Believe me, if *I* could do it, anyone on this list (or a 4 year old who has
never touched a computer before, can).

Valete Bene,
C. Maria Caeca

L. Iulia Aquila R. Corneliae Aeterniae S.P.D.

I have notified the Praetores on your behalf. This may take a little while as one of the Praetores is on personal leave.
I thank you for your patience in this matter.

Optime vale,
L. Iulia Aquila

> Would you please list my title correctly. I am not JUST an accountant.
> I am the Comptroller of the construction company. The title on my business
> card says Comptroller. :)

Impressive... but *I* am a *Wizard*.

In dimly lit rooms, I craft incantations in mysterious and unspeakable
languages, filled with arcane symbols that make mere mortals tremble.
awk! sed! perl! php!

I bind daemons and issue orders to them, so that they do my bidding, even
as I sleep. These daemons, though physically confined to small metal boxes,
make their influence felt worldwide. When a daemon misbehaves, I slay it
without pity, and summon another servitor that will better implement my
Will.

For mine is the power of the Source.

O.

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
author, Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
CYNICO.NET - hosting from $8.33/month; domains $13 - http://cynico.net/

Salve Mariae,

Thank you for this information.

Vale optime,
Julia

Salvete Omnes,

Time for a taste of beautiful imagery:
Martialis
III.65
The scent of an apple as a tender girl bites it; the smell which comes from a Corycian saffron; a silvery vineyard blooming with its first clusters; the odour of grasses which a sheep has just grazed; the perfume of myrtle; of an Arabian harvester; of rubbed amber; of a fire pale with Eastern incense; of turf when it has been lightly sprinkled with summer rain; of a garland which has been laid on hair moist with nard - this, cruel boy Diadumenus, is the fragrance of your kisses. What if you were to give them in full, ungrudgingly?

III.65
quod spirat tenera malum mordente puella,
quod de Corycio quae uenit aura croco;
uinea quod primis cum floret cana racemis,
gramina quod redolent, quae modo carpsit ouis;
quod myrtus, quod messor Arabs, quod sucina trita,
pallidus Eoo ture quod ignis olet;
gleba quod aestiuo leuiter cum spargitur imbre,
quod madidas nardo passa corona comas:
hoc tua, saeue puer Diadumene, basia fragrant.
quid si tota dares illa sine inuidia?


Valete,
Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C. Maria Caeca" <shoshanahathaway@...> wrote:

>

> You can find and download the IRC software which is called Mirc by simply
> doing a Google search on the term Mirc. Once you have done so and installed
> it, simply go to IRC.freenode.net and then type /join #NovaRoma. That's it.
> Believe me, if *I* could do it, anyone on this list (or a 4 year old who has
> never touched a computer before, can).
>
> Valete Bene,
> C. Maria Caeca
>

Except it's run by the BA rats, so unless you're on good terms with those trolls, they'll stop you from participating.

I was muted within 3 minutes.

-Anna

Salve "O" Arcanus!

> Impressive... but *I* am a *Wizard*.
>
> In dimly lit rooms, I craft incantations in mysterious and unspeakable
> languages, filled with arcane symbols that make mere mortals tremble.
> awk! sed! perl! php!
>
> I bind daemons and issue orders to them, so that they do my bidding, even
> as I sleep. These daemons, though physically confined to small metal boxes,
> make their influence felt worldwide. When a daemon misbehaves, I slay it
> without pity, and summon another servitor that will better implement my
> Will.
>
> For mine is the power of the Source.

Bbbbuttt....you stole my lines!!! Damned peeping daemons will suffer my wrath!
Kind of reminds me of that David Bromberg song "Demon in Disguise";)

Vale,
Julia

Salve Anna,

Thank you as well. I don't participate in chat rooms because I do not have the time however maybe someone could create one for the official Nova Roma mailing list.
I am not sure how that would work but it might be something worth looking into if enough people are interested.

Vale,
Julia

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus R. Corneliae Aeterniae salutem dicit

There is your answer.  The praetores have not known who you are, and Sulla knows this.  He was simply trying to cause trouble in his efforts to discredit the praetores.

Vale;

Modianus

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:

Salve Modianus,

Those words were completely unneccesary as well, Syulla was wondering
why I am being moderated considering I have been a member of this
organization since '00..... Is it due to the fact that I usually keep
a low profile perhaps? It was for clarification purposes only and I
again request that this moderation be lifted rectified whatever have
you..

Gents... Take some midol please :-)

Vale,
R. Cornelia Aeternia (That "Tink" person)

Salve, Julia Aquila et salvete omnes,

The chat room we do have is run by the Curule Aedils office, so it an
official NR resource.

C. Maria Caeca

Have you seen this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mp7Ikko8SI

Hilarious!

Vale:

Modianus

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:

> Would you please list my title correctly. I am not JUST an accountant.
> I am the Comptroller of the construction company. The title on my business
> card says Comptroller. :)

Impressive... but *I* am a *Wizard*.

In dimly lit rooms, I craft incantations in mysterious and unspeakable
languages, filled with arcane symbols that make mere mortals tremble.
awk! sed! perl! php!

I bind daemons and issue orders to them, so that they do my bidding, even
as I sleep. These daemons, though physically confined to small metal boxes,
make their influence felt worldwide. When a daemon misbehaves, I slay it
without pity, and summon another servitor that will better implement my
Will.

For mine is the power of the Source.

O.

Salve Mariae,

Thank you once again;)

Vale,
Julia

Cato Quinto Constantio sal.

Salve!

The election process is legal and valid; that has never been in question. There is some question about the validity of one of the candidates' being able to stand for the office.

Vale!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Roger" <politicog@...> wrote:
>
>
> So has Contio closed and the election begun? I may have missed the message stating that. If Contio has closed, then I will withdraw my request to the Praetors for the proposed lex.
>
> If it has closed, could someone please give me the message number. Thanks.
>
> If it has not closed, then the election has not yet started, and it not *yet* in the hands of the people. The whole purpose of using this as a proposed solution, is that is allows the whole NR citizenship to decide whether or not the election in valid.
>
>
> Lucius Quintius Constantius
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "D. Boyle" <deandreaboyle@> wrote:
> >
> > Equestria Iunia Laeca L. Quintio Constantio sal.
> >
> > There is no election mess. We have two perfectly legal candidates for
> > Censor Suffectus. The Tribunes, Consuls, and Praetors have all
> > validated this. Now, the power has been given to the people to decide.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 23, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Roger wrote:
> > > Considering the issues raised in the current debate on the Censor
> > > Suffectus election mess
> >
>

M. Hortensia G. Equitio sal;
actually there is no question about this whatsoever,the consuls, praetors and tribunes have all certified both candidates.

I suggest you post positive things about yourself Cato to get people to vote for you, than try to create a faux legal fuss.

Now back to my Latin exam!
optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior

>
> Cato Quinto Constantio sal.
>
> Salve!
>
> The election process is legal and valid; that has never been in question. There is some question about the validity of one of the candidates' being able to stand for the office.
>
> Vale!
>
> Cato
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Roger" <politicog@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So has Contio closed and the election begun? I may have missed the message stating that. If Contio has closed, then I will withdraw my request to the Praetors for the proposed lex.
> >
> > If it has closed, could someone please give me the message number. Thanks.
> >
> > If it has not closed, then the election has not yet started, and it not *yet* in the hands of the people. The whole purpose of using this as a proposed solution, is that is allows the whole NR citizenship to decide whether or not the election in valid.
> >
> >
> > Lucius Quintius Constantius
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "D. Boyle" <deandreaboyle@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Equestria Iunia Laeca L. Quintio Constantio sal.
> > >
> > > There is no election mess. We have two perfectly legal candidates for
> > > Censor Suffectus. The Tribunes, Consuls, and Praetors have all
> > > validated this. Now, the power has been given to the people to decide.
> > >
> > > Vale.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On May 23, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Roger wrote:
> > > > Considering the issues raised in the current debate on the Censor
> > > > Suffectus election mess
> > >
> >
>

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Cato Maiori sal.

Salve!

If the President of the United States breaks the law, the law is still broken.

There most certainly *is* a question. Just because you don't like the question doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia G. Equitio sal;
> actually there is no question about this whatsoever,the consuls, praetors and tribunes have all certified both candidates.
>
> I suggest you post positive things about yourself Cato to get people to vote for you, than try to create a faux legal fuss.
>
> Now back to my Latin exam!
> optime vale
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
> >
> > Cato Quinto Constantio sal.
> >
> > Salve!
> >
> > The election process is legal and valid; that has never been in question. There is some question about the validity of one of the candidates' being able to stand for the office.
> >
> > Vale!
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Roger" <politicog@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > So has Contio closed and the election begun? I may have missed the message stating that. If Contio has closed, then I will withdraw my request to the Praetors for the proposed lex.
> > >
> > > If it has closed, could someone please give me the message number. Thanks.
> > >
> > > If it has not closed, then the election has not yet started, and it not *yet* in the hands of the people. The whole purpose of using this as a proposed solution, is that is allows the whole NR citizenship to decide whether or not the election in valid.
> > >
> > >
> > > Lucius Quintius Constantius
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "D. Boyle" <deandreaboyle@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Equestria Iunia Laeca L. Quintio Constantio sal.
> > > >
> > > > There is no election mess. We have two perfectly legal candidates for
> > > > Censor Suffectus. The Tribunes, Consuls, and Praetors have all
> > > > validated this. Now, the power has been given to the people to decide.
> > > >
> > > > Vale.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On May 23, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Roger wrote:
> > > > > Considering the issues raised in the current debate on the Censor
> > > > > Suffectus election mess
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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I see that Contio on this matter is ending, and the vote beginning. Therefore, my request to the Praetors in the Open Letter is hereby withdrawn.

Lucius Quintius Constantius



- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

>
> Cato Quinto Constantio sal.
>
> Salve!
>
> The election process is legal and valid; that has never been in question. There is some question about the validity of one of the candidates' being able to stand for the office.
>
> Vale!
>
> Cato
>

Lucio Quintio Constantio s.d.

We praetors acknowledge good receipt of your open letter.

Unhappily, without we need to examine the matter of your request, how interesting or grounded it might be, I must inform you that the praetors are authorized, by our constitution, to convene the comitia centuriata in the sole case of the unavaibility of both consuls.
As currently, neither Consul Curiatius nor Consul Iulius are unavailable, the praetors cannot give a positive answer to your request.

Vale Constanti,


P. Memmius Albucius
praetor

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Roger" <politicog@...> wrote:
>
> Considering the issues raised in the current debate on the Censor Suffectus election mess, I propose a possible solution to the issue.
>
> I ask one of the Praetors to call the Comitia Centuriata to consider the proposed lex below. This proposed lex would do the following: revoke the edict calling for candidates for Censor Suffectus and all proceedings held under its authority, i.e. both candidacies are void. It then instructs the Consuls to issue a new edict for the Censor Suffectus election, and requires such an edict to be issued within 72 hours of the approval of the proposed lex. Should the Consuls fail or refuse to do so within the required period, then the Consuls are considered to fall within the meaning of "derelict in his duties" in the NR Constitution, and the office of both Consuls declared vacant. Finally, only in the event of the consulship being declared vacant, the Senate is then instructed to immediately appoint an interrex in the terms of the Constitution, who has the authority to call new elections for the Consulship.
>
> I have no axe to grind against the current Consuls. However, a lex that only proposes something but does not provide penalties, is ineffective. I presume that in the event of this lex being proposed and passed, the Consuls will undoubtedly do their duties and issue the new edictum. However, in case, for whatever reason, that doesn't happen, this lex would then provide the remedy, by declaring the consulship vacant on its own terms, without the necessity of calling the Comitia again.
>
> The reason that I am asking the Praetors to convene the Comiata Centuriata is because this lex expressly deals with the duties of the Consuls and issues instructions to them. Since this could be considered conflict of interest, in the interest of the impartiality of proceedings, then the Praetors should preside over the Comitia during the discussion and vote on this item.
>
> This lex does not directly address the issue of the legality of the candidacies. That is also an issue that needs to be made clear in the law. However, this lex would let us start the process all over again. While we are doing so, I would advise convening magistrates that they should consider proposals to clarify the meaning of "consecutive" in operative legislation.
>
> I think in the current climate, the election of either current candidate is likely to lead to disaster. If we follow this method that I propose, the People will decide the issue before proceeding to the election. If they think it is o.k. to proceed as is, vote against this proposed lex, if they think we need a do-over, vote for it.
>
> My understanding of the naming conventions of the leges in Nova Roma is admittedly deficient. Therefore, I have not given a name to this lex, but appreciate anyone that can give it an appropriate name.
>
>
> Lucius Quintius Constantius
>
>
> Proposed new lex:
>
> [Insert name of lex]
>
> 1. The Consular Call for candidates for the office of Censor Suffectus, to supply the vacancy caused by the resignation of former Censor Gaius Popillius Laenas, issued by Consul Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, on ante diem X Kal. Mai, A.U.C. MMDCCLXII, in the consulship of Marcus Curiatus Complutensis and Marcus Iulius Severus, is hereby revoked and all proceedings held thereunder are hereby declared null and void.
>
> 2. The Consuls are hereby instructed to issue a new edictum calling for qualified candidates for the office of Censor Suffectus for the term ending December 31, MMDCCLXIII, to fill the vacancy caused by the reignation of former Censor Gaius Popillius Laenas.
>
> 3. The edictum referred to in paragraph 2 shall be issued within 72 hours of the approval of this lex.
>
> 4. If the edictum referred to in paragraph 3 is not issued within the time specified, the consuls are considered to have met the standard of "derelict in his duties" in IV.A. of the Constitution of Nova Roma, and the office of both Consuls is declared vacant.
>
> 5. Only if the terms in paragraph 4 are operative, the Senate is instructed to immediately select an interrex in the terms of the provisions of IV.B.2. of the Constitution of Nova Roma.
>

Praetor,

Thanks for the reply. But as I previously stated, since Contio is now over, and the vote has begun, the request was withdrawn.

Lucius Quintius Constantius

--- On Sat, 5/23/09, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

> From: Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Open Letter to the Praetors: Possible Solution for Election Mess
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 7:31 PM
> Lucio Quintio Constantio s.d.
>
> We praetors acknowledge good receipt of your open letter.
>
> Unhappily, without we need to examine the matter of your
> request, how interesting or grounded it might be, I must
> inform you that the praetors are authorized, by our
> constitution, to convene the comitia centuriata in the sole
> case of the unavaibility of both consuls.
> As currently, neither Consul Curiatius nor Consul Iulius
> are unavailable, the praetors cannot give a positive answer
> to your request.
>
> Vale Constanti,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> praetor
>
>
>
>

Maior Catoni sal;
what on earth are you talking about? There is no issue, except what you are trying to make up.As the consuls, praetors and tribunes are just fine with the situation. The entire ML seems to understand the meaning of 'consecutive'. We even had Agricola who is a professor of English with an MA in applied Linguistics post what the Oxford English dictionary says.

This is just another tiresome endless game as you so elegantly put it 'for shits and giggles'. And I, for one, am not playing.

back to my Latin exam.
bene valet in pacem deorum
M. Hortensia Maior

>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> Salve!
>
> If the President of the United States breaks the law, the law is still broken.
>
> There most certainly *is* a question. Just because you don't like the question doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > M. Hortensia G. Equitio sal;
> > actually there is no question about this whatsoever,the consuls, praetors and tribunes have all certified both candidates.
> >
> > I suggest you post positive things about yourself Cato to get people to vote for you, than try to create a faux legal fuss.
> >
> > Now back to my Latin exam!
> > optime vale
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> >
> > >
> > > Cato Quinto Constantio sal.
> > >
> > > Salve!
> > >
> > > The election process is legal and valid; that has never been in question. There is some question about the validity of one of the candidates' being able to stand for the office.
> > >
> > > Vale!
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Roger" <politicog@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So has Contio closed and the election begun? I may have missed the message stating that. If Contio has closed, then I will withdraw my request to the Praetors for the proposed lex.
> > > >
> > > > If it has closed, could someone please give me the message number. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > If it has not closed, then the election has not yet started, and it not *yet* in the hands of the people. The whole purpose of using this as a proposed solution, is that is allows the whole NR citizenship to decide whether or not the election in valid.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lucius Quintius Constantius
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "D. Boyle" <deandreaboyle@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Equestria Iunia Laeca L. Quintio Constantio sal.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no election mess. We have two perfectly legal candidates for
> > > > > Censor Suffectus. The Tribunes, Consuls, and Praetors have all
> > > > > validated this. Now, the power has been given to the people to decide.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 23, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Roger wrote:
> > > > > > Considering the issues raised in the current debate on the Censor
> > > > > > Suffectus election mess
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Maior

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 8:18 PM

Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Open Letter to the Praetors: NO Election Mess

Maior Catoni sal;
what on earth are you talking about? There is no issue, except what you are trying to make up.As the consuls, praetors and tribunes are just fine with the situation. The entire ML seems to understand the meaning of 'consecutive' . We even had Agricola who is a professor of English with an MA in applied Linguistics post what the Oxford English dictionary says.

This is just another tiresome endless game as you so elegantly put it 'for shits and giggles'. And I, for one, am not playing.

back to my Latin exam.
bene valet in pacem deorum
M. Hortensia Maior
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> Salve!
>
> If the President of the United States breaks the law, the law is still broken.
>
> There most certainly *is* a question. Just because you don't like the question doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > M. Hortensia G. Equitio sal;
> > actually there is no question about this whatsoever,the consuls, praetors and tribunes have all certified both candidates.
> >
> > I suggest you post positive things about yourself Cato to get people to vote for you, than try to create a faux legal fuss.
> >
> > Now back to my Latin exam!
> > optime vale
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> >
> > >
> > > Cato Quinto Constantio sal.
> > >
> > > Salve!
> > >
> > > The election process is legal and valid; that has never been in question. There is some question about the validity of one of the candidates' being able to stand for the office.
> > >
> > > Vale!
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Roger" <politicog@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So has Contio closed and the election begun? I may have missed the message stating that. If Contio has closed, then I will withdraw my request to the Praetors for the proposed lex.
> > > >
> > > > If it has closed, could someone please give me the message number. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > If it has not closed, then the election has not yet started, and it not *yet* in the hands of the people. The whole purpose of using this as a proposed solution, is that is allows the whole NR citizenship to decide whether or not the election in valid.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lucius Quintius Constantius
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "D. Boyle" <deandreaboyle@ > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Equestria Iunia Laeca L. Quintio Constantio sal.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no election mess. We have two perfectly legal candidates for
> > > > > Censor Suffectus. The Tribunes, Consuls, and Praetors have all
> > > > > validated this. Now, the power has been given to the people to decide.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 23, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Roger wrote:
> > > > > > Considering the issues raised in the current debate on the Censor
> > > > > > Suffectus election mess
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>