On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Steve Moore <astrobear@...> wrote:

M. Valerius Potitus omnibus SPD.

 

I’d like to eliminate another talking point from the arsenal of those who support the illegal candidate Modianus. The talking point is this: Those who say that Modianus cannot serve as Censor are using an interpretation of the law. As Modianus wrote today, “Several people keep talking about defending the constitution when really you mean defending a specific interpretation of a particular lex.”

 

The implication here is that the two “interpretations” of the law (one saying that Modianus cannot serve as Censor, the other that he can) are equally valid, so anyone is free to choose whichever one he or she wants. (If you disagree with this characterization, please let me know, as I do not wish to create a straw man.)

 

This use of language is akin to someone saying that the “theory” of gravity is merely a theory.

 

The response to this talking point is: Of course it is an interpretation of the law to say that Modianus cannot serve as Censor. It is equally an “interpretation” to say that he can serve. But that does not mean that both interpretations are equally valid.

 

Cn. Iulius Caesar, who holds that Modianus cannot serve as Censor, has thoroughly expounded the rationale behind his “interpretation” of the law. It is disingenuous, at best, to dismiss his arguments by saying that this is merely an interpretation.

 

Those who hold that Modianus can serve as Censor have not presented a cogent argument for their decision, other than the facile and erroneous one that Laenas’ four months in office constitute a “term” and separate the terms of Modianus. Instead, the Consuls and others have relied on talking points and inane repetitions (“Tell me again which law was broken”).

 

When I presented an argument as to why it was in the best interest of Nova Roma to prevent one person from serving two consecutive terms as Censor, no one came forward to show that it was—in fact—in the best interest of Nova Roma to allow Modianus to serve two consecutive terms.

 

So, we have (on the one hand) a series of cogent arguments supporting the “interpretation” that Modianus cannot serve as Censor, and (on the other hand) a facile argument and lots of talking points supporting the “interpretation” that Modianus can serve as Censor. Clearly, the two “interpretations” are not equally valid.

 

Valete.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:

Maior, how many times do I have to tell you, I'm not in charge.

If you want to have people come to Hot Springs, just say it. Nashville has a
Parthenon with a statue of Athena, a statue of Mars Invictus, a temple to
Neptune, and an altar of the tribune who just fined you $30 because you
violated the sacrosanctity of tribune, a nefarious offense against the Gods.
And you want to bring Romans to go camping? That's awesome, I love camping,
but please butt out. I asked you for advice, and you gave me nothing except
"let's go camping out in the wilderness!"

At least we'll be in civilization. When you run for aedile, you feel free to
plan it where you want it.

Poplicola

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:

Salvete Quirites,

 

this is going into the direction of becoming insane.

 

I should be fined because I do approve the valid election for our Censor Suffectus Modianus, in fact your vote.

 

Does our noble Tribunus Plebis Fl. Galerius Aurelianus , the representative of us, the people of Nova Roma,

have lost the respect of the vote by you the people of Nova Roma and the decision of the Gods ?

 

I will not pay this fine. I will not let down the people of Nova Roma , nor will I insult our Gods by paying this fine.

 

Valete optime

Titus Flavius Aquila

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis s.p.d.

Under the lex Didia Gemina, specifically the Summa Coercendi Potestas, Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus is hereby fined thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00) for interfering with the official action of a Tribunus Plebis by refusing to recognize the valid intercessio of Tribunus Agrippa. This money is to be paid into the treasure of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres.

If Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus does not immediately announce that he will abide by the intercessio of Tribunus Agrippa that the Tribunes of Nova Roma validated, I will invoke the Potestas Sacrosancta upon him for refusing to abide by the legal exercise of an intercessio.

Valete.

III. TRIBUNICIA POTESTAS (Tribunician Power).
The office of Tribunus Plebis is Sacred in the Republic and endowed on this account with the following powers:

A. Summa Coercendi Potestas.
Any citizen or magistrate who interferes with the official action(s) of a Tribunus Plebis shall be fined by that Tribunus with a multa pecuniaria of no more than thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00), paid to the treasury of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres. Such a penalty cannot be suspended or revoked except by intercessio of another Tribunus Plebis, or a Praetorian appraisal which should permit the fined citizen further recourse at law under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The right of provocatio will be respected as Article II. B. 5 of the constitution states.

B. Potestas Sacrosancta.
Any citizen or magistrate who shall do violence to a Tribunus Plebis in the course of his official duties or refuse to abide by a legal exercise of intercessio shall be brought before the Praetores and judged in accordance with the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The severity of the poena shall be determined in the Praetor's formula in accordance with the severity of the offence. The trial for this offence should be completed within sixty days of submission of the petitio actionis to the Praetor by the Tribunus Plebis, respecting Praetor's use of his discretion on dates. Completion of the term of office of the actor Tribunus Plebis shall not affect trial for an offence for which a petitio actionis has been filed prior to the completion of that Tribunus Plebis' term.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:31 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

 They are plebs so they likely have not been around awhile,

Well I'm a pleb and I've been around for over 6 years so what exactly do you mean by that statement?

Flavia Lucilla Merula

On 6/18/09, M.C.C. <complutensis@...> wrote:
> Complutensis Modiano, Aquilae, Severo, Quintiliano, Coruncanio, Maior et
> omnes SPD
>
> Congratulations and welcome to the club of the "nova romans fined by Fl.
> Galerius Aurelianus"
>
> Patrick D. Owen escribió:
>>
>>
>> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis s.p.d.
>>
>> Under the lex Didia Gemina, specifically the Summa Coercendi Potestas,
>> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus is hereby fined thirty U.S. dollars
>> ($30.00) for interfering with the official action of a Tribunus Plebis
>> by refusing to recognize the valid intercessio of Tribunus Agrippa.
>> This money is to be paid into the treasure of Nova Roma and devoted to
>> Ceres.
>>
>> If Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus does not immediately announce that he
>> will abide by the intercessio of Tribunus Agrippa that the Tribunes of
>> Nova Roma validated, I will invoke the Potestas Sacrosancta upon him
>> for refusing to abide by the legal exercise of an intercessio.
>>
>> Valete.
>>
>> III. TRIBUNICIA POTESTAS (Tribunician Power).
>> The office of Tribunus Plebis is Sacred in the Republic and endowed on
>> this account with the following powers:
>>
>> A. Summa Coercendi Potestas.
>> Any citizen or magistrate who interferes with the official action(s)
>> of a Tribunus Plebis shall be fined by that Tribunus with a multa
>> pecuniaria of no more than thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00), paid to the
>> treasury of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres. Such a penalty cannot be
>> suspended or revoked except by intercessio of another Tribunus Plebis,
>> or a Praetorian appraisal which should permit the fined citizen
>> further recourse at law under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The right of
>> provocatio will be respected as Article II. B. 5 of the constitution
>> states.
>>
>> B. Potestas Sacrosancta.
>> Any citizen or magistrate who shall do violence to a Tribunus Plebis
>> in the course of his official duties or refuse to abide by a legal
>> exercise of intercessio shall be brought before the Praetores and
>> judged in accordance with the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The severity of
>> the poena shall be determined in the Praetor's formula in accordance
>> with the severity of the offence. The trial for this offence should be
>> completed within sixty days of submission of the petitio actionis to
>> the Praetor by the Tribunus Plebis, respecting Praetor's use of his
>> discretion on dates. Completion of the term of office of the actor
>> Tribunus Plebis shall not affect trial for an offence for which a
>> petitio actionis has been filed prior to the completion of that
>> Tribunus Plebis' term.
>>
>>
>

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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@...> wrote:
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis s.p.d.
>
> Under the lex Didia Gemina, specifically the Summa Coercendi Potestas, the Consul M. Cur. Complutensis is hereby fined thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00) for interfering with the official action of a Tribunus Plebis by refusing to recognize the valid intercessio of Tribunus Agrippa. This money is to be paid into the treasure of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres.
>
> If M. Cur. Complutensis does not immediately retract his announcement of the invalidated election of Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus and begin the process to call a new election, I will invoke the Potestas Sacrosancta upon him for refusing to abide by the legal exercise of an intercessio.
>
> Valete.
>
>
> III. TRIBUNICIA POTESTAS (Tribunician Power).
> The office of Tribunus Plebis is Sacred in the Republic and endowed on this account with the following powers:
>
> A. Summa Coercendi Potestas.
> Any citizen or magistrate who interferes with the official action(s) of a Tribunus Plebis shall be fined by that Tribunus with a multa pecuniaria of no more than thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00), paid to the treasury of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres. Such a penalty cannot be suspended or revoked except by intercessio of another Tribunus Plebis, or a Praetorian appraisal which should permit the fined citizen further recourse at law under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The right of provocatio will be respected as Article II. B. 5 of the constitution states.
>
> B. Potestas Sacrosancta.
> Any citizen or magistrate who shall do violence to a Tribunus Plebis in the course of his official duties or refuse to abide by a legal exercise of intercessio shall be brought before the Praetores and judged in accordance with the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The severity of the poena shall be determined in the Praetor's formula in accordance with the severity of the offence. The trial for this offence should be completed within sixty days of submission of the petitio actionis to the Praetor by the Tribunus Plebis, respecting Praetor's use of his discretion on dates. Completion of the term of office of the actor Tribunus Plebis shall not affect trial for an offence for which a petitio actionis has been filed prior to the completion of that Tribunus Plebis' term.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M.C.C." <complutensis@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete
> >
> > after the expiatory ceremony for the vitium and the re-break of the ties
> > using a Nova Roman Sestertius, the will of the citizens of Nova Roma and
> > the will of the Gods and Goddesses is that the Censor Suffectus elected
> > with 28 centuries is K. Fabius Buteo Modianus.
> >
> > Valete
> >
> > M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@...> wrote:
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus s.p.d.
>
> I am vacating the office of flamen Cerialis effective immediately. Any who wish to apply for this office may do so through application to the Collegium Pontificum.
>
> It has been my pleasure to serve the Senate and People of Nova Roma as the flamen minor to Ceres Mater, the Patroness of the Plebeian Ordo.
>
> Fiat, fiat, fiat lux. Ita est.
>
> Valete.
>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:19 AM, fpasquinus@... <fpasquinus@...> wrote:

The Goddess Ceres is happy to lost a disgrace as you.

You come on her and honestly think you can speak for the goddess Ceres. You can tell us how she feels and you can interpret her moods to us. I didn't think anyone had the hubris.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> It is not that the listed people, including myself, had not obbeyed. The fines are because we choose to speak.
>
> Di vos incolumem custodiant.
>
> --
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> Aedilis Curulis
>
> Scriba Consulis Hispaniae
>
> --- El jue, 18/6/09, fpasquinus@... <fpasquinus@...> escribió:
>
> De: fpasquinus@... <fpasquinus@...>
> Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: ELECTIONS FOR CENSOR SUFFECTUS - Complutensis is hereby fined.
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Fecha: jueves, 18 junio, 2009 11:14
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Tribunus Flavius Galerius Aurelianus in the Rostra crying: BUUA! BUUA!
>
>
>
> Consul Complutensis has not obbeyed me.... BUUUA!
>
> Aquila has not obeyed me.....BUUUA!
>
> Coruncanius Cato has not obeyed me.....BUUUA!
>
> Quintilianus has not obeyed me......BUUUA!
>
> Consul Severus has not obeyed me......
>
>
>
> Nobody obeyed this poor tribune..... ...
>
>
>
> So now I fine the whole world...
>
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> LOL
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis s.p.d.
>
> >
>
> > Under the lex Didia Gemina, specifically the Summa Coercendi Potestas, the Consul M. Cur. Complutensis is hereby fined thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00) for interfering with the official action of a Tribunus Plebis by refusing to recognize the valid intercessio of Tribunus Agrippa. This money is to be paid into the treasure of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres.
>
> >
>
> > If M. Cur. Complutensis does not immediately retract his announcement of the invalidated election of Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus and begin the process to call a new election, I will invoke the Potestas Sacrosancta upon him for refusing to abide by the legal exercise of an intercessio.
>
> >
>
> > Valete.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > III. TRIBUNICIA POTESTAS (Tribunician Power).
>
> > The office of Tribunus Plebis is Sacred in the Republic and endowed on this account with the following powers:
>
> >
>
> > A. Summa Coercendi Potestas.
>
> > Any citizen or magistrate who interferes with the official action(s) of a Tribunus Plebis shall be fined by that Tribunus with a multa pecuniaria of no more than thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00), paid to the treasury of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres. Such a penalty cannot be suspended or revoked except by intercessio of another Tribunus Plebis, or a Praetorian appraisal which should permit the fined citizen further recourse at law under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The right of provocatio will be respected as Article II. B. 5 of the constitution states.
>
> >
>
> > B. Potestas Sacrosancta.
>
> > Any citizen or magistrate who shall do violence to a Tribunus Plebis in the course of his official duties or refuse to abide by a legal exercise of intercessio shall be brought before the Praetores and judged in accordance with the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The severity of the poena shall be determined in the Praetor's formula in accordance with the severity of the offence. The trial for this offence should be completed within sixty days of submission of the petitio actionis to the Praetor by the Tribunus Plebis, respecting Praetor's use of his discretion on dates. Completion of the term of office of the actor Tribunus Plebis shall not affect trial for an offence for which a petitio actionis has been filed prior to the completion of that Tribunus Plebis' term.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "M.C.C." <complutensis@ > wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Salvete
>
> > >
>
> > > after the expiatory ceremony for the vitium and the re-break of the ties
>
> > > using a Nova Roman Sestertius, the will of the citizens of Nova Roma and
>
> > > the will of the Gods and Goddesses is that the Censor Suffectus elected
>
> > > with 28 centuries is K. Fabius Buteo Modianus.
>
> > >
>
> > > Valete
>
> > >
>
> > > M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS
>
> > >
>
> >
>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato Apollonio Quadrato sal.

Salve.

Fabius Modianus served as censor for a full term MMDCCLX-MMDCCLXI, ending on pridie Kalendas Ianuarius (December 31) 2008. Popillius Laenas' term as censor began on Kalendas Ianuariis (1 January) 2009. Those who would like to see Modianus as censor are arguing that 31 December and 1 January are non-consecutive.

And - yet once again - a tribune may veto any act of any magistrate and it is not subject to review, approval, or interference by any magistrate save the other tribunes. An intercessio cannot be claimed to be "invalid" by anyone except another tribune. The tribunes upheld their colleague's veto, so it stands.

We do not have a censor suffectus at this time, no matter who takes an oath nor how many times they do so. All this back-slapping and glad-handing is something like admiring the exquisite pattern on the fabric of the emperor's new clothes, if you get my meaning.

To put it another way: every year the Russian Imperial Court holds its Annual Ball at my hotel; the full flower of the Russian nobility is there, in their finest imperial regalia. The Grand Dukes and Duchesses play their parts, offering advice on the government of the Russian Empire, issuing edicts and declaring this or that; competing branches of the Imperial Family bicker about who takes precedence over whom. If, however, they hopped on a plane to Moscow and attempted to actually rule Russia, they would be gently but firmly shown to the border, given a pat on the head, and sent back to whatever country they came from. If Putin didn't have them arrested.

So anyone can declare that they hold any title they want. That does not make it so. Under our law, it certainly is not so now.

Vale,

Cato

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:19 AM, fpasquinus@... <fpasquinus@...> wrote:

You have not serve the Senate and People you have only serve your master and your lust of fame.

The Goddess Ceres is happy to lost a disgrace as you.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:16 AM, David Kling<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
> Does this club have a special handshake or sign? I can think of one!
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
>
>
> On 6/18/09, M.C.C. <complutensis@...> wrote:
>> Complutensis Modiano, Aquilae, Severo, Quintiliano, Coruncanio, Maior et
>> omnes SPD
>>
>> Congratulations and welcome to the club of the "nova romans fined by Fl.
>> Galerius Aurelianus"
>>
>> Patrick D. Owen escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis s.p.d.
>>>
>>> Under the lex Didia Gemina, specifically the Summa Coercendi Potestas,
>>> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus is hereby fined thirty U.S. dollars
>>> ($30.00) for interfering with the official action of a Tribunus Plebis
>>> by refusing to recognize the valid intercessio of Tribunus Agrippa.
>>> This money is to be paid into the treasure of Nova Roma and devoted to
>>> Ceres.
>>>
>>> If Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus does not immediately announce that he
>>> will abide by the intercessio of Tribunus Agrippa that the Tribunes of
>>> Nova Roma validated, I will invoke the Potestas Sacrosancta upon him
>>> for refusing to abide by the legal exercise of an intercessio.
>>>
>>> Valete.
>>>
>>> III. TRIBUNICIA POTESTAS (Tribunician Power).
>>> The office of Tribunus Plebis is Sacred in the Republic and endowed on
>>> this account with the following powers:
>>>
>>> A. Summa Coercendi Potestas.
>>> Any citizen or magistrate who interferes with the official action(s)
>>> of a Tribunus Plebis shall be fined by that Tribunus with a multa
>>> pecuniaria of no more than thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00), paid to the
>>> treasury of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres. Such a penalty cannot be
>>> suspended or revoked except by intercessio of another Tribunus Plebis,
>>> or a Praetorian appraisal which should permit the fined citizen
>>> further recourse at law under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The right of
>>> provocatio will be respected as Article II. B. 5 of the constitution
>>> states.
>>>
>>> B. Potestas Sacrosancta.
>>> Any citizen or magistrate who shall do violence to a Tribunus Plebis
>>> in the course of his official duties or refuse to abide by a legal
>>> exercise of intercessio shall be brought before the Praetores and
>>> judged in accordance with the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The severity of
>>> the poena shall be determined in the Praetor's formula in accordance
>>> with the severity of the offence. The trial for this offence should be
>>> completed within sixty days of submission of the petitio actionis to
>>> the Praetor by the Tribunus Plebis, respecting Praetor's use of his
>>> discretion on dates. Completion of the term of office of the actor
>>> Tribunus Plebis shall not affect trial for an offence for which a
>>> petitio actionis has been filed prior to the completion of that
>>> Tribunus Plebis' term.
>>>
>>>
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...> wrote:
>
> I'm getting really tired of being told that in this election the will of the
> people prevailed. The will of the people 'might' prevail in a democracy,
> though looking round the world at the moment, that's debatable.
>
> However Rome was not a democracy. In line with that, neither is Nova Roma.
> Therefore to claim the will of the people prevailed is disingenuous at best.
> In reality the will of a certain sector of the people prevailed. I am not
> arguing against this but let's at least be honest about it.
>
> Flavia Lucilla Merula
>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Charlie Collins <oldroman@...> wrote:

Salvete,

I personally think the Fines are the MOST ridiculous thing I have ever
heard of. I think it is time to drop all of the election nonsense. I did
vote for Cato but as far as I am concerned the elections are over and
things are now going to far in the wrong way for NR in my opinion. Modianus is
Censor and as such now has my support (even though I am a BA'er).
Let's move on to other things (like the repeal of certain Lex's).

Valete,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Moore" <astrobear@...> wrote:
>
> M. Valerius Potitus T. Flavio Aquila SPD.
>
>
>
> I gather, then, then that you have run out of arguments to defend your
> position, since you have resorted to:
>
>
>
> A. Constant repetition of the same points (apparently hoping that
> people will believe you simply because you keep repeating it); and
> B. The disproven argument that the People have spoken (and therefore,
> you imply, no dissent is possible).
>
>
>
> So, let me repeat:
>
>
>
> Modianus is not Censor, because of the interrcessio of the Tribunes.
>
> Modianus was not eligible to run for Censor, because of his violation of the
> Lex Cornelia Iunia.
>
> The Consuls were either negligent (again) or incompetent for allowing
> Modianus to run.
>
> The Consuls willfully deceived the People into thinking that Modianus was a
> valid candidate.
>
> The Consuls (and a number of other individuals) are currently violating the
> law by not obeying the Tribunes.
>
>
>
> Vale.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Titus Flavius Aquila
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 1:07 AM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: ELECTIONS FOR CENSOR SUFFECTUS CONGRATULATIONS
> - Aquila is hereby fined !
>
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> T.Flavius Aquila M.Valerio Potitus SPD
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> First of all Modianus is Censor Suffectus by the will of the citizens of
> Nova Roma.As always stated.
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> The Citizens have decided in their election and yes the Gods approved this
> decision in favor of Modianus.
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> No more no less.
>
> Vale bene
>
> Titus Flavius Aquila
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Steve Moore <astrobear@...> wrote:

M. Valerius Potitus T. Flavio Aquila SPD.

 

I gather, then, then that you have run out of arguments to defend your position, since you have resorted to:

 

1. Constant repetition of the same points (apparently hoping that people will believe you simply because you keep repeating it); and
2. The disproven argument that the People have spoken (and therefore, you imply, no dissent is possible).

 

So, let me repeat:

 

Modianus is not Censor, because of the interrcessio of the Tribunes.

Modianus was not eligible to run for Censor, because of his violation of the Lex Cornelia Iunia.

The Consuls were either negligent (again) or incompetent for allowing Modianus to run.

The Consuls willfully deceived the People into thinking that Modianus was a valid candidate.

The Consuls (and a number of other individuals) are currently violating the law by not obeying the Tribunes.

 

Vale.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> The will of the people cannot violate the law.
>
> The consuls needs to set up a new election for Censor Suffectus.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm getting really tired of being told that in this election the will of the
> > people prevailed. The will of the people 'might' prevail in a democracy,
> > though looking round the world at the moment, that's debatable.
> >
> > However Rome was not a democracy. In line with that, neither is Nova Roma.
> > Therefore to claim the will of the people prevailed is disingenuous at best.
> > In reality the will of a certain sector of the people prevailed. I am not
> > arguing against this but let's at least be honest about it.
> >
> > Flavia Lucilla Merula
> >
>

>
> Salvete,
>
> I personally think the Fines are the MOST ridiculous thing I have ever
> heard of. I think it is time to drop all of the election nonsense. I did
> vote for Cato but as far as I am concerned the elections are over and
> things are now going to far in the wrong way for NR in my opinion. Modianus is
> Censor and as such now has my support (even though I am a BA'er).
> Let's move on to other things (like the repeal of certain Lex's).
>
> Valete,
> Quintus Servilius Priscus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salve Modianus,
>
> Congradulations to your recent victory.You have my full support.I certainly hope that we can all here in Nova Roma move on and begin the work, of building Nova Roma and to put an end to this constant infighting.It is unfortunate that we have lost some very long term and respected citizens.Let us all begin the peace process and work together to build a bigger and better Nova Roma.
>
> Vale bene,
> Appius Galerius Aurelianus
> Tribunus Plebis
> Prefectus Regio Georgia,Alabama
> Scribae TGP
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M.C.C." <complutensis@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete
>
> after the expiatory ceremony for the vitium and the re-break of the ties
> using a Nova Roman Sestertius, the will of the citizens of Nova Roma and
> the will of the Gods and Goddesses is that the Censor Suffectus elected
> with 28 centuries is K. Fabius Buteo Modianus.
>
> Valete
>
> M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS
>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:50 PM, fpasquinus@... <fpasquinus@...> wrote:

YES THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE CANNOT VIOLATE THE LAW OF SULLA.

THE CONSULS NEEDS TO OBBEY THE RULES OF SULLA.

BECAUSE SULLA IS OMNISCIENT AND ALWAYS IS RIGHT.

ONLY SULLA AND HIS FRIENDS PROTEST FOR EVERYTHING.

ONLY SULLA SEE ILLEGALITIES.

BECAUSE SULLA IS OMNISCIENT AND ALWAYS IS RIGHT.

IN THE ANCIENT ROMA, SULLA, HIS FRIENDS AND HIS TRIBUNES PUPPETS  WOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN FROM THE TARPEIAN ROCK.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> The will of the people cannot violate the law.
>
> The consuls needs to set up a new election for Censor Suffectus.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm getting really tired of being told that in this election the will of the
> > people prevailed. The will of the people 'might' prevail in a democracy,
> > though looking round the world at the moment, that's debatable.
> >
> > However Rome was not a democracy. In line with that, neither is Nova Roma.
> > Therefore to claim the will of the people prevailed is disingenuous at best.
> > In reality the will of a certain sector of the people prevailed. I am not
> > arguing against this but let's at least be honest about it.
> >
> > Flavia Lucilla Merula
> >
>




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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "fpasquinus@..." <fpasquinus@...> wrote:
>
> YES THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE CANNOT VIOLATE THE LAW OF SULLA.
>
> THE CONSULS NEEDS TO OBBEY THE RULES OF SULLA.
>
> BECAUSE SULLA IS OMNISCIENT AND ALWAYS IS RIGHT.
>
> ONLY SULLA AND HIS FRIENDS PROTEST FOR EVERYTHING.
>
> ONLY SULLA SEE ILLEGALITIES.
>
> BECAUSE SULLA IS OMNISCIENT AND ALWAYS IS RIGHT.
>
> IN THE ANCIENT ROMA, SULLA, HIS FRIENDS AND HIS TRIBUNES PUPPETS WOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN FROM THE TARPEIAN ROCK.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >
> > The will of the people cannot violate the law.
> >
> > The consuls needs to set up a new election for Censor Suffectus.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm getting really tired of being told that in this election the will of the
> > > people prevailed. The will of the people 'might' prevail in a democracy,
> > > though looking round the world at the moment, that's debatable.
> > >
> > > However Rome was not a democracy. In line with that, neither is Nova Roma.
> > > Therefore to claim the will of the people prevailed is disingenuous at best.
> > > In reality the will of a certain sector of the people prevailed. I am not
> > > arguing against this but let's at least be honest about it.
> > >
> > > Flavia Lucilla Merula
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVETE!
>
> Some people presented their opinions about what is happen. Opinions have not any power to change things and do not represent a pro or contra definite action. However opinions can influence the assistance. That is not something wrong. This way politics works for thousands of years. They work this way because in a health society the freedom of speech is respected right.
> Through the fines our tribune F. Galerius Aurelianus imposed to some of our citizens, the freedom of speech was obstructed and that decision is not in concordance with Constitution II.B.4.
> In my opinion that action of fining people was not necessary and because that I thanks to praetor Memmius Albucius for his correct reaction.
>
> VALETE,
> T. Iulius Sabinus
>

> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: livia.plauta@...
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:37:31 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Greek and Roman Household worship
>
> Salvete,
> unfortunately i haven't met any YSEE member yet.
>
> However Cato's reasoning was fallacious in two ways.
> He argued that YSEE were wrong in their assessment of the causes of forest fires in Greece, and that therefore their description of greek home rituals were wrong too.
>
> Now, it's pretty obvious that there's no link between the two things.
>
> YSEE is composed by a variety of different people, so it's perfectly possible for them to be wrong about one thing, and right about another one.
>
> However, as far as I know, Cato doesn't read or speak Greek, so he's not the person best qualified to assess some native Greeks'competence on assessing the causes of what happens in their countries.
>
> I happened to be in Greece two years ago when the worst of the forest fires happened, and all the sources I had (people, newspapers) sostantially agreed with YSEE in blaming hte government's poor mamagement of forest areas for the fires. I dont know about the role of the Orthodox Church, but I suppose YSEE might have been referring to the poor maintainance of Church lands, in which case the Church really was as responsible as all the other landowners who didn't care about cleaning their woods from dry underwood in the most dangerous season.
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
>
> >
> > Salve Jesse;
> > i know;-) here we go with the link to YSEE from our own NRwiki
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/YSEE, they have videos up too. And are really working hard to get access to ancient sites to perform rituals to the gods.
> > a fabulous bunch, Livia has met some members in Athens.
> > Maior
> >
> > > Why do I only receive these discussions in fragments? Does the list selectively show responses? lol
> > >
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: mlcinnyc@
> > > > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:34:03 +0000
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Greek and Roman Household worship
> > > >
> > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > >
> > > > Salve!
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve Jesse:
> > > >
> > > > "... since they are battling and winning tagainst [sic] the Greek Orthodox Church in Greece ..."
> > > >
> > > > LOL Oh Maior you are utterly out of your mind. You are so wildly off base that it's cute but scary at the same time, you know what I mean?
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
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>
> L. Coruncanius Cato aedile K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano censor SPD
>
> Not yet! Will you enlight us? But wait a sec... if you show it on this list, anyone can join the "fined-for-speaking" club...
>
> Di vos incolumem custodiant.
>
> --
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> Aedilis Curulis
>
> Scriba Consulis Hispaniae
>
> --- El jue, 18/6/09, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> escribió:
>
> De: David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>
> Asunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Modianus is hereby fined
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Fecha: jueves, 18 junio, 2009 1:16
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Does this club have a special handshake or sign? I can think of one!
>
>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
>
>
> On 6/18/09, M.C.C. <complutensis@ gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Complutensis Modiano, Aquilae, Severo, Quintiliano, Coruncanio, Maior et
>
> > omnes SPD
>
> >
>
> > Congratulations and welcome to the club of the "nova romans fined by Fl.
>
> > Galerius Aurelianus"
>
> >
>
> > Patrick D. Owen escribió:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis s.p.d.
>
> >>
>
> >> Under the lex Didia Gemina, specifically the Summa Coercendi Potestas,
>
> >> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus is hereby fined thirty U.S. dollars
>
> >> ($30.00) for interfering with the official action of a Tribunus Plebis
>
> >> by refusing to recognize the valid intercessio of Tribunus Agrippa.
>
> >> This money is to be paid into the treasure of Nova Roma and devoted to
>
> >> Ceres.
>
> >>
>
> >> If Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus does not immediately announce that he
>
> >> will abide by the intercessio of Tribunus Agrippa that the Tribunes of
>
> >> Nova Roma validated, I will invoke the Potestas Sacrosancta upon him
>
> >> for refusing to abide by the legal exercise of an intercessio.
>
> >>
>
> >> Valete.
>
> >>
>
> >> III. TRIBUNICIA POTESTAS (Tribunician Power).
>
> >> The office of Tribunus Plebis is Sacred in the Republic and endowed on
>
> >> this account with the following powers:
>
> >>
>
> >> A. Summa Coercendi Potestas.
>
> >> Any citizen or magistrate who interferes with the official action(s)
>
> >> of a Tribunus Plebis shall be fined by that Tribunus with a multa
>
> >> pecuniaria of no more than thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00), paid to the
>
> >> treasury of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres. Such a penalty cannot be
>
> >> suspended or revoked except by intercessio of another Tribunus Plebis,
>
> >> or a Praetorian appraisal which should permit the fined citizen
>
> >> further recourse at law under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The right of
>
> >> provocatio will be respected as Article II. B. 5 of the constitution
>
> >> states.
>
> >>
>
> >> B. Potestas Sacrosancta.
>
> >> Any citizen or magistrate who shall do violence to a Tribunus Plebis
>
> >> in the course of his official duties or refuse to abide by a legal
>
> >> exercise of intercessio shall be brought before the Praetores and
>
> >> judged in accordance with the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The severity of
>
> >> the poena shall be determined in the Praetor's formula in accordance
>
> >> with the severity of the offence. The trial for this offence should be
>
> >> completed within sixty days of submission of the petitio actionis to
>
> >> the Praetor by the Tribunus Plebis, respecting Praetor's use of his
>
> >> discretion on dates. Completion of the term of office of the actor
>
> >> Tribunus Plebis shall not affect trial for an offence for which a
>
> >> petitio actionis has been filed prior to the completion of that
>
> >> Tribunus Plebis' term.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
> Yes, it is very good. It was written up in the Nashville Scene as excellent..
>
> --- On Thu, 6/18/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: what's happening with the U.S. Conventus?
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 2:33 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >how about ice cold vodka that goes down like ice water?
>
> Now you have my attention! The Punch sounds good too, but ice cold Vodka is always my preference.
> I've met some pretty neat Russian people here in Nashville, quite a few artisans, Do we have a Russian restaurant now?
>
> Vale,
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius. regulus@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, I can beat Jack (Jack ain't worth Jack). I can get shine -- dangerous shine because it is so smooth and high proof. I also know of a first class Russian importer, owns a grocery and a restaurant, who just got his liquor import distributor license -- how about ice cold vodka that goes down like ice water? Or, we can get Russian water -- it goes down like bad rot gut vodka.
> >  
> > Or we could do a really evil party punch (one I used to have to mix up as a bartender while in college until insurance companies threatened the bars about making it) invented by Woody and Arlo Guthrie.
> >  
> > Doktor Jekylls Punch
> >  
> > 4 5ths 151 Rum
> > 2 5ths Sloe Gin
> > 1 5th Everclear/Pure Grain
> > 4 5ths boones farm wine
> > 2 liters 7UP
> > 2 packs unsweetened red Kool Aid
> > Dry Ice and as many Marschino cherries
> > as you can put into the punch.
> >  
> > When you think you've had enough; its too late, you've
> > had way too much. I've seen it knock out a Russian
> > Naval Marine at the same rate as it knocked out a
> > US Marine. They spent the next day as comrades
> > holding each other up and leaning against each other
> > as they spent the day -- peeing -- while arguing whether
> > the bed was spinning or the whole room was. That was
> > an interesting fleet week in San Francisco. The Russians
> > got shore leave for the first time. Shore police were very busy.
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 6/18/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@ ...>
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: what's happening with the U.S. Conventus?
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 1:35 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well in lieu of moonshine, wonder if anyone is in the mood for Poke Salad, had a dream about it last night and it have overtaken the kudzu on the side of the road:)
> > *laugh*
> > Good thing Maior is bringing Mulsum but there is always Jack Daniels.
> >
> > Vale
> > Julia
> >
>

> how about
> "I voted for Modianus and all I got was a fine and a lousy T shirt" ;-)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete;
> how about
> "I voted for Modianus and all I got was a fine and a lousy T shirt" ;-)
> Maior
> >
> > L. Coruncanius Cato aedile K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano censor SPD
> >
> > Not yet! Will you enlight us? But wait a sec... if you show it on this list, anyone can join the "fined-for-speaking" club...
> >
> > Di vos incolumem custodiant.
> >
> > --
> >
> > L. Coruncanius Cato
> >
> > Aedilis Curulis
> >
> > Scriba Consulis Hispaniae
> >
> > --- El jue, 18/6/09, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> escribió:
> >
> > De: David Kling <tau.athanasios@>
> > Asunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Modianus is hereby fined
> > Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Fecha: jueves, 18 junio, 2009 1:16
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does this club have a special handshake or sign? I can think of one!
> >
> >
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/18/09, M.C.C. <complutensis@ gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Complutensis Modiano, Aquilae, Severo, Quintiliano, Coruncanio, Maior et
> >
> > > omnes SPD
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Congratulations and welcome to the club of the "nova romans fined by Fl.
> >
> > > Galerius Aurelianus"
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Patrick D. Owen escribió:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis s.p.d.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Under the lex Didia Gemina, specifically the Summa Coercendi Potestas,
> >
> > >> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus is hereby fined thirty U.S. dollars
> >
> > >> ($30.00) for interfering with the official action of a Tribunus Plebis
> >
> > >> by refusing to recognize the valid intercessio of Tribunus Agrippa.
> >
> > >> This money is to be paid into the treasure of Nova Roma and devoted to
> >
> > >> Ceres.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> If Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus does not immediately announce that he
> >
> > >> will abide by the intercessio of Tribunus Agrippa that the Tribunes of
> >
> > >> Nova Roma validated, I will invoke the Potestas Sacrosancta upon him
> >
> > >> for refusing to abide by the legal exercise of an intercessio.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Valete.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> III. TRIBUNICIA POTESTAS (Tribunician Power).
> >
> > >> The office of Tribunus Plebis is Sacred in the Republic and endowed on
> >
> > >> this account with the following powers:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> A. Summa Coercendi Potestas.
> >
> > >> Any citizen or magistrate who interferes with the official action(s)
> >
> > >> of a Tribunus Plebis shall be fined by that Tribunus with a multa
> >
> > >> pecuniaria of no more than thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00), paid to the
> >
> > >> treasury of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres. Such a penalty cannot be
> >
> > >> suspended or revoked except by intercessio of another Tribunus Plebis,
> >
> > >> or a Praetorian appraisal which should permit the fined citizen
> >
> > >> further recourse at law under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The right of
> >
> > >> provocatio will be respected as Article II. B. 5 of the constitution
> >
> > >> states.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> B. Potestas Sacrosancta.
> >
> > >> Any citizen or magistrate who shall do violence to a Tribunus Plebis
> >
> > >> in the course of his official duties or refuse to abide by a legal
> >
> > >> exercise of intercessio shall be brought before the Praetores and
> >
> > >> judged in accordance with the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The severity of
> >
> > >> the poena shall be determined in the Praetor's formula in accordance
> >
> > >> with the severity of the offence. The trial for this offence should be
> >
> > >> completed within sixty days of submission of the petitio actionis to
> >
> > >> the Praetor by the Tribunus Plebis, respecting Praetor's use of his
> >
> > >> discretion on dates. Completion of the term of office of the actor
> >
> > >> Tribunus Plebis shall not affect trial for an offence for which a
> >
> > >> petitio actionis has been filed prior to the completion of that
> >
> > >> Tribunus Plebis' term.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google. com
> >
>

> 50% 30 days out This is how they do it in the hotel Biz

> > 10 minutes max from the Parthenon.
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "wuffa2001" <magewuffa@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Felix,
> >
> > > #2 you need for like 25 people much less more you need like 3k.
> > A credit card is all you need. This is Nashville, you do not need a deposit, you can have $2 on the cc or debit card, you can cancel or change the number of reservations within 24 -48 hours of the event.
>
>
> No the contact I had with the Union Station â€" A Wyndham Historic Hotel said 10% down 45 days out lost if cancel less then 30 days out
> 50% 30 days out This is how they do it in the hotel Biz.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > >they did got a GREAT deal ( $250 for a room for 9 hours )and as that >space did not let you bring in food set up a all day food and coffee >and tea set for only %65 a person
> > I could have arranged for an entire house in Belle Meade for nothing for the meetings because we are non-profit: several rooms, comfortable seating, a room for a ritual in a lovely setting. A complete kitchen and a caterer for coffee and food well within budget.
> > 10 minutes max from the Parthenon.
>
> when why did you not do so?
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Yes, if we had a decent amount of time we could have an event much like Roman Days which would have paid for itself by renting space to various "Roman" vendors and food service on the huge lawn area right next to the Parthenon that we could have gotten a permit for.
> >
> > I understand that we have a strong desire to have a conventus - but done right it would truly be worthwhile and something more people could plan for (as you so astutely outline), save up, get time off and attend.
> >
> > There will be more conventus' to plan for in the future I am sure.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Julia
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gaio Equitio Catoni salutem dicit
>
> My term as censor suffectus did not start on January 1st. That was the time
> when Laenas took office, and not me. My term started six months
> afterwards. If the terms of censor suffectus was retroactive to January 1st
> then your argument would make sense, but alas it does not and that is why
> the consules and praetores ruled that I was not serving two consecutive
> terms. Use a dictionary and read, very closely, what consecutive means.
>
> Vale;
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato Apollonio Quadrato sal.
> >
> > Salve.
> >
> > Fabius Modianus served as censor for a full term MMDCCLX-MMDCCLXI, ending
> > on pridie Kalendas Ianuarius (December 31) 2008. Popillius Laenas' term as
> > censor began on Kalendas Ianuariis (1 January) 2009. Those who would like to
> > see Modianus as censor are arguing that 31 December and 1 January are
> > non-consecutive.
> >
> > And - yet once again - a tribune may veto any act of any magistrate and it
> > is not subject to review, approval, or interference by any magistrate save
> > the other tribunes. An intercessio cannot be claimed to be "invalid" by
> > anyone except another tribune. The tribunes upheld their colleague's veto,
> > so it stands.
> >
> > We do not have a censor suffectus at this time, no matter who takes an oath
> > nor how many times they do so. All this back-slapping and glad-handing is
> > something like admiring the exquisite pattern on the fabric of the emperor's
> > new clothes, if you get my meaning.
> >
> > To put it another way: every year the Russian Imperial Court holds its
> > Annual Ball at my hotel; the full flower of the Russian nobility is there,
> > in their finest imperial regalia. The Grand Dukes and Duchesses play their
> > parts, offering advice on the government of the Russian Empire, issuing
> > edicts and declaring this or that; competing branches of the Imperial Family
> > bicker about who takes precedence over whom. If, however, they hopped on a
> > plane to Moscow and attempted to actually rule Russia, they would be gently
> > but firmly shown to the border, given a pat on the head, and sent back to
> > whatever country they came from. If Putin didn't have them arrested.
> >
> > So anyone can declare that they hold any title they want. That does not
> > make it so. Under our law, it certainly is not so now.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: mlcinnyc@...
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:10:47 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Greek and Roman Household worship
>
> Cato Liviae Plautae sal.
>
> Salve.
>
> Just a quick take from YSEE:
>
> "In the summer of 2007, millions of conscientious supporters of the church and the government watched as arsonists, government and the church worked hand in hand to burn our country in one manner or another. The once lush green land of the Olympian Gods and the centre of the world has been transformed into a blackened and rocky desert yielding an ideal landscape for the mundane and illegal interests of the monotheists in celebration of their non-existent god of the desert and desolation....
>
> One of the most serious ailments of the standing legal framework concerning religious issues in our country, is the practical elimination of every non "byzantine" religion (meaning all religions except for the Greek orthodox Christianity, Islam and Judaism) because of complete lack of an appropriate legal entity that can enable them to express themselves as what they actually are: religions. Over the last few weeks, the sacredness of the glorious Ethnic Religion of the Hellenes, which is also the religion of us, the contemporary Ethnikoi Hellenes, is being crushed under dirty feet in jungle - alike trash TV programmes, that consist of few hilarious self-acclaimed "followers", alongside with hysterical, ignorant priests of the dominant religion, pious "specimens of public opinion", delirious theologians and para-clericals, as well as intolerant or unacceptably prejudiced "journalists" (as if, on every - rarely given - occasion when a perception other than the established is presented, it is compulsory that it has to confront a panicked armada of "outraged" slaves of the cultural establishment)."
>
>
> One does not need to speak Greek to see the kind of mentality at work here. So much for them "battling and winning tagainst [sic] the Greek Orthodox Church in Greece".
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
>
>
>
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