--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gaio Equitio Catoni salutem dicit
>
> I guess the route of contacting the Maine Attorney General and calling for
> new consules didn't work did it?
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato
> <catoinnyc@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > I have also been attempting, with others (including Coruncanius Cato,
> > Fabius Maximus, Flavius Aquila, Cornelius Sulla, and a couple of others), to
> > try several different approaches to making exactly the kind of Roman
> > tradition of which you speak a more viable route for our legal system.
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato Fabio Modiano sal.

Salve.

Do you *really* want to go down this road, Modianus?

Vale,

Cato

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:

Salvete Nova Romans
 
It would seem that the only group in Nova Roma that has used the legal system to rid Nova Roma of some of their enemies are working on using a new method to rid Nova Roma of one more of their collective enemies. While I will not say who said what or where it was said or about whom it was said when that shoe drops please remember I told you so.
 
Please also remember that when they make their move it will because of something
their "enemy" said or wrote not something they DID. In other words it will be about
 
WORDS.
 
Valete
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Complutensis,amice
>
> is that statement of Marcellus enough ? Or does he have to state officially his veto on the intercessio ?
> The Sullans might claim Well it was just a statement, no official veto on the intercessio.
>
> But in general his statement is a good signal anyhow.....
>  
> Vale optime
> Titus Flavius Aquila
>  
>  
> Salvete
>
> I am forwarding this message from Tribunus Plebis C. Pompeius Marcellus with his permission.
>
> Valete
>
> M. Curiatius Complutensis
> Consul
>
> -------- Mensaje original --------
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: M.C.C. <complutensis@...>
> An: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Gesendet: Freitag, den 19. Juni 2009, 23:56:44 Uhr
> Betreff: [Fwd: Re: [Nova-Roma] Congratulations]
>
> Asunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Congratulations
> Fecha: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:51:32 -0600
> De: James Hooper <warrior44_us@...>
> Para: M.C.C. <complutensis@...>
> Referencias: <h1ehke+os9h@...> <814c56690906191432l760cd762j747af5b050c9bb9c@...> <web-24378709@...> <4A3C07E2.7000500@...>
>
>
> Salve Consul,
> Please do sir.
> Vale,
> C. Pompeius Marcellus
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:49:22 +0200
> "M.C.C." <complutensis@...> wrote:
> > M. Curiatius Complutensis Consul C. Pompeio Marcello Tribuno Plebis S.P.D.
> >
> > Thanks for your reply, can I post this message in the ML?
> >
> > Cura ut valeas
> >
> > M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> > CONSVL NOVAE ROMAE
> > CONSVL HISPANIAE
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > James Hooper escribió:
> >> Salve Consul Complutensis,
> >> In my opinion the people have spoken and these
> >> citizens should be seated. No I do not agree with the intersessio as I
> >> understand it.
> >> Vale,
> >> Gaius Pompeius Marcellus tribunis Plebis SPD
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:32:55 +0200
> >> M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:
> >>> M. Curiatius Complutensis Consul C. Pompeio Marcello Tribuno Plebis
> >>> S.P.D.
> >>>
> >>> Can I understand with this your message to congratulate all the
> >>> candidates
> >>> of the recent election that you think that the elections are valid and
> >>> therefore you are against the intercessio issued by your collegae?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance for your quickly reply
> >>>
> >>> Cura ut valeas
> >>>
> >>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> >>> CONSVL NOVAE ROMAE
> >>> CONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>
> >>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2009/6/19 gaius_pompeius_marcellus <warrior44_us@...>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Salve,
> >>>> May I take this opportunity to congratulate all the candiddates who
> >>>> stood
> >>>> for election and won. To those who did not win, do not give up. you
> >>>> may get
> >>>> your chance to serve our beloved republic before you know it.
> >>>> Vale,
> >>>> Gaius Pompeius Marcellus
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> BB,
> >> Warrior
> >>
> >
> > --
> > M. Curiatius Complutensis
> >
> > COMMENTARIOLA HISPANIAE
> ><http://feeds2.feedburner.com/%7Er/CommentariolaHispaniae/%7E6/1>
> >
> > ? Grab this Headline Animator
> ><http://feedburner.google.com/fb/a/headlineanimator/install?id=h2caom68v18dju1ktk0gkre39o&w=1>
> >
>
> BB,
> Warrior
>
>
>
> --
> M. Curiatius Complutensis
> â†` Grab this Headline Animator
>

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

Tribunicio Aquilae s.d.

I think that the consul is fully aware that the Hon. Tribune Marcellus' message is, at this step, the statement of a position.

In its current state, it does not fulfill the lex Didia Gemina (formal) requirements that would allowed it to be considered as a valid counter-veto of the intercession thrown by Tribune Vipsanius last Thursday 18th, and whose deadline is tomorrow, *nefastus publicus dies*, 04:29 Rome time.

Vale,

P. Memmius Albucius
praetor

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "fpasquinus@..." <fpasquinus@...> wrote:
>
> What is your name?
>
> Of Course, Pepsicola...
>
> Here is my reply:
>
> Read the Lex Salicia Poenalis and you can find a non exhaustive list of the crimes of Sulla, begining for Laesa Patriae.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola" <q.valerius.poplicola@> wrote:
> >
> > What rule did Sulla break? Why are you so keen on defaming him if he hasn't broken any rules?
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "fpasquinus@" <fpasquinus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sulla> FOLLOW THE LAW. The Tribunes have spoken. That is that. There is no Censor other than Censor Paulinus.
> > >
> > > Yes! FOLLOW THE LAW! I am the only one who can skip the rules!
> > >
> > > (Signed Sulla)
> > >
> > > LOL
> > >
> > > I missed you Sulla, you are very funny.....
> > >
> > > People follow the law of Sulla!
> > >
> > > The people can not find his right hand with the left. The people needs Sulla.
> > >
> > > Please Sulla, take your medicines.
> > >
> > > Sulla again> There is no Censor other than Censor Paulinus.
> > >
> > > Paquinus> Sulla, with all due respect, you really need help ....professional help.
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> Oh this rich! *laugh*
> Policola does nothing for the reputation of graduate students:
>
> > > You never went to psychiatry school, did you?
>
> I am nearly speechless!
>
> Poplicola also is not a very good fisherman; fishing expeditions do not work on me;)
>
> Besides that there was no reason for Poplicola to engage me.
>
> Time to be dead serious: I just wish Poplicola would behave as someone who has earned the education he professes to. I do not know what has happened to Poplicola he does not behave or act like a man of education. I once thought he had promise. I am actually disappointed. Sad.
>
> Valete,
> Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Q. Valerio Poplicolae salutem dicit
>
> I am unaware, young Flamen, what you mean by "two-timing" and "back stabbing
> snake." I do not have an affection for young boys, so your reference to
> "two-timing" escapes me. Additionally, where do you get this idea of
> "back-stabbing?" Have you been talking to the Boni again?
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <
> q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "Young flamen"
> >
> > LOL what are you my daddy? Don't you dare patronize me, you two-timing back
> > stabbing snake.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Moore" <astrobear@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Andy,
>
>
>
> (I've trimmed your post, so please let me know if I mischaracterize your
> statements.)
>
>
>
> You have summed this up very clearly. The power of the Censor to add and
> remove Senators makes the office of Censor one of the most powerful in Nova
> Roma. It is in the best interest of Nova Roma to limit the term of Censor to
> safeguard the organization from a possible misuse of that power.
>
>
>
> Some people have said that Modianus is not serving consecutive terms because
> Laenas served for about four months. Others have pointed out that this leads
> to the question: "How long does Censor B have to be in office before Censor
> A can become Censor again?" There is a wide range of possible answers: one
> hour, one day, one month, four months, etc. Because this could lead to
> endless wrangling over the meaning of consecutive, the best thing to do, the
> most parsimonious, if you will, is to stick to a strict interpretation of
> the law and say:
>
>
>
> If you serve as Censor in Year A and Year B, you cannot serve in Year C, but
> you can serve in Year D and Year E.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
> Aka M. Valerius Potitus
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kveldulf@...
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:03 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 4586 - Some observations from the
> peanut gallery
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The reason for limiting terms as censor is similar to limiting terms of the
> U.S. Presidency - that allowing one to hold the ofice too long allows
>
>
>
>
>
>
> one to accumulate too pmuch power (in NR, apparently by the censor being
> able to manipulate the membership of the Senate to the benefit
>
>
>
>
>
>
> of one faction or the other).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is the reason why consecutive terms, rather than strict consecutive
> time periods, was intended by the law. Otherwise, a faction could
>
>
>
>
>
>
> put up a straw man for election to censor after their outgoing censor left
> office, elect the straw man, have the straw man step down,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> then run their old censor for office again and essentially use a loophole in
> the law to keep their censor in the office for close to 4 years out of
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 5 years (then at the end of the overall 5 year limit on 2 terms, have the
> guy run yet again and start the cycle over again).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That, as I see it, is the crux of the problem from the point of view of
> those opposed to Modianus being censor.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See
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On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:

It's ok, Modianus, we all know your secret. I mean, do you think that nobody knows that you were actually a close ally with Caesar, Sulla, and Fabius Maximus, but left because you wanted political power?

Even our very own Pontifex Maximus busted you out on that one. No need to ask the former "Boni" anything.

Poplicola

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

Caesar Modiano SPD

 

"I felt some of them were truly good people; however, Caesar, Maximus, and Sulla (along with Drusus) were not."

 

Really? Then why did you write to me 24 hours before you announced you were leaving entreating me to join you? Did I only earn the classification of not being "good" when I refused? Remember writing that to me in your defection offer email?

 

Why did you offer to work in secret with Sulla and Drusus and the Boni generally 24 hours before you left, with your short lived group NR_Optimates, to deceive your soon to be new friends into believing you had broken all ties? Remember writing that to them?

 

You excel in re-writing past events to cast yourself in the light of this noble fellow leaving for the best of reasons, when your primary reason for leaving was because you had figured out your best chances of becoming Praetor would be served by finding new backers. Remember writing that to me in your defection offer email?

 

Try and keep the facts straight.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Salve:
>
> First off, I have never run for praetor. I ran for consul. I likely said
> many things five years ago that I do not recall now. But one thing is for

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

Caesar Modiano SPD.

No you never in the end ran for Praetor, you were offered up for Consul and fell flat on your face, but when you wrote to be 24 hours before you left that was your intention. The price obviously rose from 30 silver coins to a consulship.

You stated in your post to Poplicola you left because some people weren't "good", myself included, and now after I reminded you of what you wrote, I apparently was included in that group after You can't even stick to one story for one hour. So it was baffling to you in 2004 why I associated with Sulla? So why did you offer to continue your association with Sulla and the Boni in secret? Sulla obviously wasn't so reprehensible to your delicate tastes that you were prepared to cut all ties obviously, just that you preferred no one know about it.

What is this drivel about how you were forced to leave? You wrote to me out of the blue requesting I defect. I asked you to do what you had prated on about, namely discuss with the Boni before taking precipitate action. I gave you 24 hours to post and debate. What terminated that period of silence was finding you scribbling on the NR_Optimates board you had so incompetently left open that you were just stalling me. You weren't forced to leave Modiane, and as for what followed you lost no time starting to re-establish yourself by a series of bitter posts. What was ironic about that was the majority view in the Boni after you left, Sulla's included, was to give you time and not to enter into any combative posts. That of course was before all your bile started falling out of your mouth.

Of course you wear your hair shirt of "shame", bemoaning your time in the Boni. After all they got you into the Collegium Pontificum, and there were no other goodies on offer from them, so why not leave flailing around begging forgiveness? As for your friendships only a short while ago you were declaiming there were only a couple of people in Nova Roma you regarded as friends and you were tetering on the edge of leaving.

"I likely said many things five years ago that I do not recall now."

Yes, no doubt. With that one line you dismiss all the inconsistencies and factually incorrect statements and distortions. 

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Q. Valerio Poplicolae salutem dicit
> >
> > I was under the impression that you were an educated youth. You do know
> > that censor is a non-imperium bearing magistrate that deals mostly with
> > administrative duties right? The closest magistrates we have in Nova
> > Roma
> > to kings would be the consules (have you read Livy?). Are you
> > insinuating
> > that it is my goal to tyrannically approve citizenship appointments? Or
> > how
> > about appoint senators without a colleague (oh, wait that was done
> > already)?
> >
> > Young Flamen, you do your cause no service by participating in these
> > discussions -- perhaps you should stick to the Back Alley and give the
> > more
> > mature amongst you the opportunity to evade and deflect.
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <
> > q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nova Roma won't be able to move on until the consuls obey the
> > > sacrosanct
> > > tribunes and call new elections.
> > >
> > > OR a dictator is appointed, and the tyrannical Modianus who desires to
> > > be
> > > King will be complete.
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:

You love playing ignorant, don't you? You've stated recently on the
Collegium Pontificum list that you wanted to be King of the Sacred Rites. Do
I need to forward your message on here? In fact, you've stated this for
years, as it was on your blog.. It's not enough that you be Pontifex and
augur, but you want to be king! It is on account of ignoble intentions that
you desire these things, and desire them all at once, and that marks you as
one who supports not the Republic, but a title-grabber, one who would rather
be Princeps Imperii then Nova Roma's humble servant.

It's simple, you show a consistent pattern of desiring power and removing
those who block you. Thus falls Cincinnatus, Cassius, Sulla, and I suspect
soon others, since I highly doubt that you or the consuls have the courage
to do the right and legal thing and either appoint a dictator to suspend the
constitution or call for new elections.

Poplicola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Q. Valerio Poplicolae salutem dicit
>
> There is a major difference between a King (ie., Rex) and a Rex Sacrorum.
> You made no distinction, and used the term King. Have you read Roman
> history? Do you know the difference between a Rex and a Rex Sacrorum?
>
> There isn't much use in discussing anything with you. So feel free to
> continue your insults, I'll simply ignore them and you. I am growing weary
> in my attempt in treating you like a reasonable adult. It seems you are
> incapable of your own thoughts.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <
> q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > You love playing ignorant, don't you? You've stated recently on the
> > Collegium Pontificum list that you wanted to be King of the Sacred Rites.
> > Do
> > I need to forward your message on here? In fact, you've stated this for
> > years, as it was on your blog.. It's not enough that you be Pontifex and
> > augur, but you want to be king! It is on account of ignoble intentions that
> >
> > you desire these things, and desire them all at once, and that marks you as
> >
> > one who supports not the Republic, but a title-grabber, one who would
> > rather
> > be Princeps Imperii then Nova Roma's humble servant.
> >
> > It's simple, you show a consistent pattern of desiring power and removing
> > those who block you. Thus falls Cincinnatus, Cassius, Sulla, and I suspect
> > soon others, since I highly doubt that you or the consuls have the courage
> > to do the right and legal thing and either appoint a dictator to suspend
> > the
> > constitution or call for new elections.
> >
> > Poplicola
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

David Kling - everything about you speaks that you will do anything to get a pointy hat - not just in Nova Roma, but everywhere.

What I found out today....is that on top of all of this..he is a Christian Bishop.

http://lcc.cc/sophiacircle/bishops.htm

+David +David Kling Independent

tau.athanasios@...

Very interesting

We have him in a photo..dropping his pants.. http://azresident.mee.nu/warning
We have a picture of him in dreadlocks like he was a Rastafarian
Now we have him in Bishop's garb.

What else is out there under David Kling?

This guy makes NR look like a game.

This ladies and gentlemen is your Pontiff and Augur.
This ladies and gentlemen is the person who tried Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
This ladies and gentlemen is the one that brought NR to the brink of a lawsuit.
This ladies and gentlemen is what Nova Roma is reduced too.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae salutem dicit
>
> My involvement in Gnosticism, Druidry, Freemasonry, Unitarian Universalism,
> et al., is no secret. The Pontifex Maximus is fully aware, as are several
> others here in Nova Roma. Metellus was at the same event in which I was
> consecrated a Gnostic bishop, as was Hadrianus (at the time a Pontifex).
> What exactly is your point here? To defame my character? To what end?
>
> I have had my e-mail address: tau.athanasios @ gmail.com since 2004. If I
> wanted to hide that I am also known as Tau Athanasios then I wouldn't be
> using that as my e-mail address would I?
>
> I'm thinking it is time for our to grow up.
>
> Vale;
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Robert Woolwine <
> l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > David Kling - everything about you speaks that you will do anything to get
> > a pointy hat - not just in Nova Roma, but everywhere.
> >
> > What I found out today....is that on top of all of this..he is a Christian
> > Bishop.
> >
> > http://lcc.cc/sophiacircle/bishops.htm
> >
> > +David +David Kling Independent
> >
> > tau.athanasios@... <tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
> >
> > Very interesting
> >
> > We have him in a photo..dropping his pants..
> > http://azresident.mee.nu/warning
> > We have a picture of him in dreadlocks like he was a Rastafarian
> > Now we have him in Bishop's garb.
> >
> > What else is out there under David Kling?
> >
> > This guy makes NR look like a game.
> >
> > This ladies and gentlemen is your Pontiff and Augur.
> > This ladies and gentlemen is the person who tried Lucius Equitius
> > Cincinnatus Augur
> > This ladies and gentlemen is the one that brought NR to the brink of a
> > lawsuit.
> > This ladies and gentlemen is what Nova Roma is reduced too.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

David, is your divinity school aware of all of your involvements as well?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> As you will notice, citizens of Nova Roma, that senator Lucius Cornelius
> Sulla continues to refer to me by my birth name even after I respectfully
> advised him of my wishes to use my Roman name. The Back Alley faction now
> seem intent on attacking my reputation and so forth in an attempt to drive
> me from Nova Roma.
>
> Valete:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Robert Woolwine <
> l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > David, is your divinity school aware of all of your involvements as well?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> As you will notice, citizens of Nova Roma, that senator Lucius Cornelius
> Sulla continues to refer to me by my birth name even after I respectfully
> advised him of my wishes to use my Roman name. The Back Alley faction now
> seem intent on attacking my reputation and so forth in an attempt to drive
> me from Nova Roma.
>
> Valete:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Robert Woolwine <
> l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > David, is your divinity school aware of all of your involvements as well?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator" <famila.ulleria.venii@...>
To: "NR-Main List" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Venator, future, Censorial candidacy


> Avete omnes;
>
> Just wanted an attention grabbing headline there ;-)
>
> Just a counterpoint to a mention that I demurred due to my
> "frailty"...my health is improving; both physically and mentally. The
> checkup I had on my heart and pacemaker 2 weeks ago showed that the
> device is firing off about 6% of the time now, as opposed to above 10%
> a few weeks after implantation. I am still having some episodes of
> rapid heart rate, but that too has diminished; a peak of 180 BPM this
> past 6 months as opposed to 214 BPM during the prior period. As to
> the lengthy bouts of 102F+ fevers and abdominal pains I had from early
> February until mid May, looks like it was my body's reaction to
> "stones in the water pipes."
>
> With the betterment of the physical side of things, I find that I am
> having fewer and milder bouts of the depression with which I was
> diagnosed a little over 4 years ago. I have also been able to keep
> from inflicting "brown bottle flu" upon myself the past year or so.
>
> Folks, having physical or mental trouble is natural. Their affecting
> your life, your energy levels, interests, reactions, actions and other
> such is also natural. My doctors say that the biggest thing I have
> going for me is my ability to admit that the problems exists, and
> getting myself to help (albeit slowly sometimes [Abruzzese
> stubbornness from my grandfather ;-]).
>
> This little break I'm taking from anything official is a necessity. I
> do skim all the posts, but only home in on some few key phrases or
> words, hence, this note.
>
> I won't be candidate for Censor, in the foreseeable future, due to
> lack of knowledge, time, and desire. It is an important post, one
> that calls for someone with all the above, though I think I again
> cultivating the abundance of the patience and neutrality I think the
> job also requires.
>
> My thanks to those who put my name forward, even as a segment of an
> arguement. I am grateful for the favorable opinion of others.
>
> Valete - Venator the restful
>
>
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>
> Salvete all (and especially our Vestal virgin),
>
> You know, I've said a lot of rude things to people over the years, and there
> is only one thing that keeps replaying over and over in my mind that I
> really really regret- and those were the horribly rude comments that I made
> about our Vestal virgin in the BA. I won't repeat them, because I cringe
> everytime I think of them. Someone hit the nail on the head when they said
> that I made those comments just as I would have made a comment about a
> catholic priest. I didn't think of a person as a Vestal virgin. I just
> spontaneously and stupidly wrote 2 nasty things in a row. Then once I saw
> that our Vestal virgin was upset, it hit me that I was actually commented
> rudely about a real flesh and blood woman whom I always liked and who was
> always very sweet to me.. Then the reality set in and I thought "What kind
> of diarhea has been flowing out of my mouth for the last few years?". I
> would never ever say anything so hurtful in real life to anyone. In fact, I
> always go out of my way to say nice things to people....
>
> So once again I am extremely & very much sorry for saying those horrible
> things about a lady who did not deserve it. My 'penance' is that I keep
> replaying it over and over in my head and feel totally embarrassed and
> guilty each time.. I deserve to feel horrible about this.
> Valete,
> Diana
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Woolwine" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> I disregard your request. In my opinion, you are not worthy of having a Roman name - GIVEN your reputation and more importantly actions. So, from here on in. It is David.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
> >
> > As you will notice, citizens of Nova Roma, that senator Lucius Cornelius
> > Sulla continues to refer to me by my birth name even after I respectfully
> > advised him of my wishes to use my Roman name. The Back Alley faction now
> > seem intent on attacking my reputation and so forth in an attempt to drive
> > me from Nova Roma.
> >
> > Valete:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Robert Woolwine <
> > l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > David, is your divinity school aware of all of your involvements as well?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato Cornelio Sullae salutem dicit.

Salve.

Sulla, I earnestly ask that no matter what faults or grievances anyone might have with each other within our Respublica that we honor our Roman names. Even Maior, with whom I have a less-than-amicable realtionship, and I have never resorted to using each others extra-Nova Roman names.

It is beneath our collective dignities to do so, and as a fellow senator I ask that you cease.

Vale,

Cato

P.S. - just to be clear, your criticism on one level is incorrect: Modianus is *not* a "Christian" bishop. He is a gnostic, a sect anathemetized by the Church and rejected as heresy. It is not Christianity. GEC

----- Original Message -----
From: "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 3:42 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Some questions now that I have peace of mind...


> L. Livia Plauta N. Apollonio Quadrato S.P.D.
>
> Apolloni, don't worry about your tribe and century. Since tese parameters
> only have significance during an election, you will be assigned a tribe
> and century just before the next election. Of course, if you don't pay
> taxes and stay capite census, you will be in century 51 together with all
> the other capite censi, and your vote will count next to nothing.
>
> As for NR coins, there was a project to issue some new ones, but I don't
> know what its status is now. I've been thinking of inquiring in Budapest
> (where I live). Apparently the Hungarian National Bank can mint any coins
> by request. It's a good idea to make silver coins: they certainly look
> better than brass, and as you say, they have an intrinsic value.
>
> I think in our future coin minting we should follow more closely the size
> and appearance of roman coins.
>
> Anyway what is silver clay? I have never heard about this. is it only
> available in the US?
>
> As for the toga and tunica, actually for a free citizen it's kind of
> inconvenient to wear a tunica only. You'd look like a slave. If you don't
> want to make a toga (it takes 10 metres of fabric), you can always wear a
> pallium, which is much easier to make and drape. All it takes is 4,5 - 5
> metres of 150 cm wide fabric, and you don't have to do anything with it,
> though it's a good idea to sow small lead weights at the four corners (it
> will make it much easier to wear).
>
> In the http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:XX_Floralia_Aquinci page (even
> if it's still under construction) you can see A. Apollonius Cordus
> sporting a purple pallium (in CIMG8874 230726.jpg, for example). You can
> also see what tunicae and togae look like.
>
> On another topic, I'm more and more impressed by your analysis of the
> situation with Modianus' election. In a few days you have been able to
> research all the laws concerned, and expose the situation much better than
> any of us had managed before.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
>
>>
>> N. Apollonius Quadratus L. Julia Aquila salutem plurimam dicit.
>>
>> Thank you, it does help. As for silver, as long as Nova Roma is doing
>> something to secure actual physical wealth and not fiat money.
>>
>> Regarding land, there are many ways to acquire land cheaply. I'm just
>> wondering what Nova Roma is doing. I did take a gander over at the
>> proposed budget, but I am just wondering exactly what the effort is for.
>> There is some money put aside, but what exactly will it be used for? Is
>> it going to be a down payment? Is Nova Roma utilizing Tax Exempt status?
>> What is Nova Roma's plan for expansion?
>>
>> As for Toga or Tunic, I just don't have the time to make a full on
>> exciting toga of wonder. Two squares sewn together, I can live with
>> that. I am not the most artistically inclined.
>>
>> As for probation, well my probation is actually over. I successfully
>> completed the test and passed my probationary period. So I'm not sure
>> what to do now. Maybe I will be adopted by a Plebian family. Oh a
>> humble Plebian such as I can only dream of being adopted into a Plebian
>> family...wait a minute...
>>
>> Vale
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Salve Quadratus,
>> >
>> > Oh I like working with silver clay, it does really well esp in
>> > sculptures. You're right though it is expensive.. However from what I
>> > understand the manufacture of the coins is such that real silver (gold
>> > or copper) would be used.
>> > If you don't have the links to the current issue here they are:
>> > http://novaroma.org/nr/Sestertius_signum
>> > http://www.novaroma.org/wiki/Coin_(Nova_Roma)
>> >
>> > They are still available and can be bought from Agrippa here(which also
>> > explains the process by which they are made):
>> > http://harpax.biz/coins.html
>> >
>> > The NR chat is not an official Nova Roma chat - it is essentially
>> > peopled by back alley folks although that statement will probably make
>> > this thread grow;)
>> >
>> > So you are not missing anything in my opinion. However I know some of
>> > the Nova Roma folks use Yahoo Im, and I think gmail's also.'
>> > About the land, all I can do is smile. A lot of people have a lot of
>> > ideas - hopefully one will take hold. We need to fundraise and invest
>> > the money, esp. here in the states. We also need much more planning and
>> > people committed to it for the long haul.
>> >
>> > It is ok to have a tunic and not a toga. Livia made a really nice one
>> > for Petronius Dexter - If you are on facebook you can add the lot of us
>> > and connect that way also.
>> >
>> > Here is a link on the proper way to address member of the Senate and
>> > Magistrates or citizen, generally a distinction is not made in the
>> > forum: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Using_Roman_names
>> >
>> > I think, but I am not certain, that you will be assigned a tribe after
>> > your 90 day probation period.
>> >
>> > Hope this helps, and feel free to enquire further~
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> > Julia
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "n_apollonius_quadratus"
>> > <n_apollonius_quadratus@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Omnibus Salvete
>> > >
>> > > I've been trying to get into Nova Roma IRC for sometime now, and I am
>> > > using Firefox 3, and I am using chatzilla? It's the IRC plug in for
>> > > Firefox. Every time I try to connect, it says either refused or
>> > > timed out. Now I changed my name over to N_Apollonius_Quadratus, so
>> > > that shouldn't be an issue. I turned on and off my fire wall to see
>> > > if that was an issue, and it wasn't. Is there something I'm missing?
>> > >
>> > > Also, what does it cost the government to print the Nova Roma coins?
>> > > I like that there is coinage being produced, but they are brass.
>> > > Nothing wrong with brass, but let's give Nova Roma a little kick in
>> > > the tail. Now if Nova Roma doesn't have Tax Exempt status it sure
>> > > needs to get it fast. That way authorized members of Nova Roma can
>> > > go out and purchase PMC (precious metal clay). This clay is .999
>> > > pure silver. Well if you get the silver. The gold is a little hefty
>> > > and getting copper isn't a bad idea. Since the authorized individual
>> > > purchased the clay for Nova Roma, then Nova Roma owns that clay.
>> > > This is a tax write off and will be refunded at the next tax returns.
>> > > The silver is classified as basic operating expenses as the silver
>> > > will be minted in Nova Roma fashion. Now Nova Roma has some serious
>> > > pulling weight. Real silver coins to give buying power to the Ordo
>> > > Equestor, and the Copper coinage would also bring more buying power.
>> > > Now instead of blank fiat money polluting Nova Roma, we have actual
>> > > real wealth on which to pull from. Not only that, but should the
>> > > silver market rise, so too will Nova Roma's wealth. If every citizen
>> > > of Nova Roma purchased one box of PMC and donated it to Nova Roma,
>> > > and Nova Roma purchased some PMC for itself, then Nova Roma will
>> > > begin to have some serious wealth being developed that will not
>> > > depreciate. The people who donated the PMC will be able to declare
>> > > the silver as a donation and be refunded for the cost of the PMC.
>> > > Realistically the cost of PMC is higher than the cost of silver as it
>> > > stands, but the cost isn't a factor as the expense is refunded since
>> > > it was a donation.
>> > >
>> > > What is Nova Roma doing about expansion? If Nova Roma is not a tax
>> > > exempt organization it needs to be quickly. As such puting down
>> > > payments on land would place Nova Roma as the sole owner of that
>> > > land, and there would be no land tax and the cost of purchasing that
>> > > land would be refunded. On top of that, Nova Roma can take care of
>> > > other costs by building on the land making it a sort of vacation spot
>> > > for people to live an "authentic" Roman lifestyle. There are all
>> > > sorts of quirky places like that riddling the US and other places as
>> > > well. In Finland there was an Inn for some time that you could live
>> > > as a Viking. I mean Santa Claus is in Finland for goodness sake. If
>> > > we used the ram earth technique to build the houses and other such
>> > > buildings, we can save on costs for construction. We would also be
>> > > minimally impacting the environment. If a garden for farming was
>> > > established then the land could become autonomous and eventually turn
>> > > into a commune where Nova Roman citizens could actually live in the
>> > > lifestyle they desired. As a Temple to the Roman Gods became
>> > > established on the land more people would flock to it for it's Pagan
>> > > connotations. Nova Roma would expand, gaining more wealth for
>> > > itself, it would spread the word of Nova Roma as people go there to
>> > > escape mundane life and explore a more "holistic" way of life, in
>> > > turn this money collected from travelers would go into the Nova Roman
>> > > pockets where partial investment in precious metals like silver and
>> > > gold solidify the wealth of Nova Roma. As the construction of the
>> > > Temple becomes complete the transition from tourist destination
>> > > begins to change into a commune that is self sufficient and capable
>> > > of housing Nova Roman citizens. This all while Nova Roma purchases
>> > > new land to continue the cycle of tourist then commune. Has this
>> > > ever been considered by Nova Roman officials? What steps are there
>> > > to further the goal of physical manifestation of our place in this
>> > > world? Meetings are fine and all, but a central hub where Nova
>> > > Romans can gather and LIVE in the lifestyle we choose, what is being
>> > > to done to carry this out?
>> > >
>> > > Also, is there going to be a meet up in the US or isn't there? I've
>> > > been trying to pay attention.
>> > >
>> > > And is it okay to have a tunic but not a toga?
>> > >
>> > > What is the proper way to address members of the Senate and other
>> > > such Magistrates?
>> > >
>> > > And how come I haven't been assigned to my tribe yet?
>> > >
>> > > These and other questions should probably stay in my head. Until
>> > > next time...
>> > >
>> > > Valete.
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
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06:53:00

> Salvete Livia omnesque;

>
> These are wonderful pictures, but I trust that there will be more
> informative labels with them, other than image numbers, yes? It would be
> really grand to know who, exactly, I am trying to look at ... faces to
> names, and all that (smile).
>
> C. Maria Caeca, very happy to see pictures of this event under any
> circumstances!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 3:42 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Some questions now that I have peace of mind...
>
>
> > L. Livia Plauta N. Apollonio Quadrato S.P.D.
> >
> > Apolloni, don't worry about your tribe and century. Since tese parameters
> > only have significance during an election, you will be assigned a tribe
> > and century just before the next election. Of course, if you don't pay
> > taxes and stay capite census, you will be in century 51 together with all
> > the other capite censi, and your vote will count next to nothing.
> >
> > As for NR coins, there was a project to issue some new ones, but I don't
> > know what its status is now. I've been thinking of inquiring in Budapest
> > (where I live). Apparently the Hungarian National Bank can mint any coins
> > by request. It's a good idea to make silver coins: they certainly look
> > better than brass, and as you say, they have an intrinsic value.
> >
> > I think in our future coin minting we should follow more closely the size
> > and appearance of roman coins.
> >
> > Anyway what is silver clay? I have never heard about this. is it only
> > available in the US?
> >
> > As for the toga and tunica, actually for a free citizen it's kind of
> > inconvenient to wear a tunica only. You'd look like a slave. If you don't
> > want to make a toga (it takes 10 metres of fabric), you can always wear a
> > pallium, which is much easier to make and drape. All it takes is 4,5 - 5
> > metres of 150 cm wide fabric, and you don't have to do anything with it,
> > though it's a good idea to sow small lead weights at the four corners (it
> > will make it much easier to wear).
> >
> > In the http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:XX_Floralia_Aquinci page (even
> > if it's still under construction) you can see A. Apollonius Cordus
> > sporting a purple pallium (in CIMG8874 230726.jpg, for example). You can
> > also see what tunicae and togae look like.
> >
> > On another topic, I'm more and more impressed by your analysis of the
> > situation with Modianus' election. In a few days you have been able to
> > research all the laws concerned, and expose the situation much better than
> > any of us had managed before.
> >
> > Optime vale,
> > Livia
> >
> >
> >>
> >> N. Apollonius Quadratus L. Julia Aquila salutem plurimam dicit.
> >>
> >> Thank you, it does help. As for silver, as long as Nova Roma is doing
> >> something to secure actual physical wealth and not fiat money.
> >>
> >> Regarding land, there are many ways to acquire land cheaply. I'm just
> >> wondering what Nova Roma is doing. I did take a gander over at the
> >> proposed budget, but I am just wondering exactly what the effort is for.
> >> There is some money put aside, but what exactly will it be used for? Is
> >> it going to be a down payment? Is Nova Roma utilizing Tax Exempt status?
> >> What is Nova Roma's plan for expansion?
> >>
> >> As for Toga or Tunic, I just don't have the time to make a full on
> >> exciting toga of wonder. Two squares sewn together, I can live with
> >> that. I am not the most artistically inclined.
> >>
> >> As for probation, well my probation is actually over. I successfully
> >> completed the test and passed my probationary period. So I'm not sure
> >> what to do now. Maybe I will be adopted by a Plebian family. Oh a
> >> humble Plebian such as I can only dream of being adopted into a Plebian
> >> family...wait a minute...
> >>
> >> Vale
> >>
> >> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Salve Quadratus,
> >> >
> >> > Oh I like working with silver clay, it does really well esp in
> >> > sculptures. You're right though it is expensive.. However from what I
> >> > understand the manufacture of the coins is such that real silver (gold
> >> > or copper) would be used.
> >> > If you don't have the links to the current issue here they are:
> >> > http://novaroma.org/nr/Sestertius_signum
> >> > http://www.novaroma.org/wiki/Coin_(Nova_Roma)
> >> >
> >> > They are still available and can be bought from Agrippa here(which also
> >> > explains the process by which they are made):
> >> > http://harpax.biz/coins.html
> >> >
> >> > The NR chat is not an official Nova Roma chat - it is essentially
> >> > peopled by back alley folks although that statement will probably make
> >> > this thread grow;)
> >> >
> >> > So you are not missing anything in my opinion. However I know some of
> >> > the Nova Roma folks use Yahoo Im, and I think gmail's also.'
> >> > About the land, all I can do is smile. A lot of people have a lot of
> >> > ideas - hopefully one will take hold. We need to fundraise and invest
> >> > the money, esp. here in the states. We also need much more planning and
> >> > people committed to it for the long haul.
> >> >
> >> > It is ok to have a tunic and not a toga. Livia made a really nice one
> >> > for Petronius Dexter - If you are on facebook you can add the lot of us
> >> > and connect that way also.
> >> >
> >> > Here is a link on the proper way to address member of the Senate and
> >> > Magistrates or citizen, generally a distinction is not made in the
> >> > forum: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Using_Roman_names
> >> >
> >> > I think, but I am not certain, that you will be assigned a tribe after
> >> > your 90 day probation period.
> >> >
> >> > Hope this helps, and feel free to enquire further~
> >> >
> >> > Vale,
> >> > Julia
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "n_apollonius_quadratus"
> >> > <n_apollonius_quadratus@> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Omnibus Salvete
> >> > >
> >> > > I've been trying to get into Nova Roma IRC for sometime now, and I am
> >> > > using Firefox 3, and I am using chatzilla? It's the IRC plug in for
> >> > > Firefox. Every time I try to connect, it says either refused or
> >> > > timed out. Now I changed my name over to N_Apollonius_Quadratus, so
> >> > > that shouldn't be an issue. I turned on and off my fire wall to see
> >> > > if that was an issue, and it wasn't. Is there something I'm missing?
> >> > >
> >> > > Also, what does it cost the government to print the Nova Roma coins?
> >> > > I like that there is coinage being produced, but they are brass.
> >> > > Nothing wrong with brass, but let's give Nova Roma a little kick in
> >> > > the tail. Now if Nova Roma doesn't have Tax Exempt status it sure
> >> > > needs to get it fast. That way authorized members of Nova Roma can
> >> > > go out and purchase PMC (precious metal clay). This clay is .999
> >> > > pure silver. Well if you get the silver. The gold is a little hefty
> >> > > and getting copper isn't a bad idea. Since the authorized individual
> >> > > purchased the clay for Nova Roma, then Nova Roma owns that clay.
> >> > > This is a tax write off and will be refunded at the next tax returns.
> >> > > The silver is classified as basic operating expenses as the silver
> >> > > will be minted in Nova Roma fashion. Now Nova Roma has some serious
> >> > > pulling weight. Real silver coins to give buying power to the Ordo
> >> > > Equestor, and the Copper coinage would also bring more buying power.
> >> > > Now instead of blank fiat money polluting Nova Roma, we have actual
> >> > > real wealth on which to pull from. Not only that, but should the
> >> > > silver market rise, so too will Nova Roma's wealth. If every citizen
> >> > > of Nova Roma purchased one box of PMC and donated it to Nova Roma,
> >> > > and Nova Roma purchased some PMC for itself, then Nova Roma will
> >> > > begin to have some serious wealth being developed that will not
> >> > > depreciate. The people who donated the PMC will be able to declare
> >> > > the silver as a donation and be refunded for the cost of the PMC.
> >> > > Realistically the cost of PMC is higher than the cost of silver as it
> >> > > stands, but the cost isn't a factor as the expense is refunded since
> >> > > it was a donation.
> >> > >
> >> > > What is Nova Roma doing about expansion? If Nova Roma is not a tax
> >> > > exempt organization it needs to be quickly. As such puting down
> >> > > payments on land would place Nova Roma as the sole owner of that
> >> > > land, and there would be no land tax and the cost of purchasing that
> >> > > land would be refunded. On top of that, Nova Roma can take care of
> >> > > other costs by building on the land making it a sort of vacation spot
> >> > > for people to live an "authentic" Roman lifestyle. There are all
> >> > > sorts of quirky places like that riddling the US and other places as
> >> > > well. In Finland there was an Inn for some time that you could live
> >> > > as a Viking. I mean Santa Claus is in Finland for goodness sake. If
> >> > > we used the ram earth technique to build the houses and other such
> >> > > buildings, we can save on costs for construction. We would also be
> >> > > minimally impacting the environment. If a garden for farming was
> >> > > established then the land could become autonomous and eventually turn
> >> > > into a commune where Nova Roman citizens could actually live in the
> >> > > lifestyle they desired. As a Temple to the Roman Gods became
> >> > > established on the land more people would flock to it for it's Pagan
> >> > > connotations. Nova Roma would expand, gaining more wealth for
> >> > > itself, it would spread the word of Nova Roma as people go there to
> >> > > escape mundane life and explore a more "holistic" way of life, in
> >> > > turn this money collected from travelers would go into the Nova Roman
> >> > > pockets where partial investment in precious metals like silver and
> >> > > gold solidify the wealth of Nova Roma. As the construction of the
> >> > > Temple becomes complete the transition from tourist destination
> >> > > begins to change into a commune that is self sufficient and capable
> >> > > of housing Nova Roman citizens. This all while Nova Roma purchases
> >> > > new land to continue the cycle of tourist then commune. Has this
> >> > > ever been considered by Nova Roman officials? What steps are there
> >> > > to further the goal of physical manifestation of our place in this
> >> > > world? Meetings are fine and all, but a central hub where Nova
> >> > > Romans can gather and LIVE in the lifestyle we choose, what is being
> >> > > to done to carry this out?
> >> > >
> >> > > Also, is there going to be a meet up in the US or isn't there? I've
> >> > > been trying to pay attention.
> >> > >
> >> > > And is it okay to have a tunic but not a toga?
> >> > >
> >> > > What is the proper way to address members of the Senate and other
> >> > > such Magistrates?
> >> > >
> >> > > And how come I haven't been assigned to my tribe yet?
> >> > >
> >> > > These and other questions should probably stay in my head. Until
> >> > > next time...
> >> > >
> >> > > Valete.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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>
> "Modianus is *not* a "Christian" bishop. He is a gnostic, a sect
> anathemetized by the Church and rejected as heresy."
>
> Gee Cato... you could at least capitalize Gnostic!
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato Cornelio Sullae salutem dicit.
> >
> > Salve.
> >
> > Sulla, I earnestly ask that no matter what faults or grievances anyone
> > might have with each other within our Respublica that we honor our Roman
> > names. Even Maior, with whom I have a less-than-amicable realtionship, and I
> > have never resorted to using each others extra-Nova Roman names.
> >
> > It is beneath our collective dignities to do so, and as a fellow senator I
> > ask that you cease.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > P.S. - just to be clear, your criticism on one level is incorrect: Modianus
> > is *not* a "Christian" bishop. He is a gnostic, a sect anathemetized by the
> > Church and rejected as heresy. It is not Christianity. GEC
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Salvete.

An incorrect depiction has, once again, been given of my private cultus. "[D]uring the republic" there was no such thing as Christianity, as Christ had yet to be born; long before the end of the Western Empire Christianity had formulated itself in contrast to many various and sundry heresies - among them, Gnosticism.

Valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gaio Equitio Catoni salutem dicit
>
> The difference between Gnosticism and Orthodox Christianity (or say Judaism)
> is that I can be a member of a (Pagan) Roman reconstructionist organization
> without any reservations -- in conscious, spiritually, or in any other way.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> >
> > Salvete.
> >
> > An incorrect depiction has, once again, been given of my private cultus.
> > "[D]uring the republic" there was no such thing as Christianity, as Christ
> > had yet to be born; long before the end of the Western Empire Christianity
> > had formulated itself in contrast to many various and sundry heresies -
> > among them, Gnosticism.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

> Salvete.
>
> An incorrect depiction has, once again, been given of my private cultus. "[D]uring the republic" there was no such thing as Christianity, as Christ had yet to be born; long before the end of the Western Empire Christianity had formulated itself in contrast to many various and sundry heresies - among them, Gnosticism.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>

>
> Caesar Modiano SPD
>
> "The Back Alley faction now seem intent on attacking my reputation and so forth in an attempt to drive me from Nova Roma."
>
> A pathetic plea for a rush of supportive posts no doubt. Stay or go from Nova Roma, elevate yourself to rex - your choice and yours alone and frankly I consider your fate inconsequential, but if you mention my name with some blatant public distortion of your departure from the Boni and your reasons for leaving, then expect to be challenged and called on it - every time. If you flout the law and twist it to gain another pointy hat then expect to be challenged and called on it - every time.
>
> I note you studiously avoided denying my account of your departure, your reasons, your actions, the offer of your grubby little secret pact, which was sensible. Unlike you my memory remains intact as does my email storage and screen shot folder.
>
>
>
>
> From: David Kling
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:48 AM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Protecting Our Votes and Future Elections
>
>
>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> As you will notice, citizens of Nova Roma, that senator Lucius Cornelius Sulla continues to refer to me by my birth name even after I respectfully advised him of my wishes to use my Roman name. The Back Alley faction now seem intent on attacking my reputation and so forth in an attempt to drive me from Nova Roma.
>
> Valete:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:10 PM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:

Salvete,   Early "orthodox" Christianity, if you use this profiling software developed by the German Federal Police (former Bundesgrenzschutz), has the same "alert" features as the Taliban and Hezbollah.   It took Jewish ethnic and cultic exclusivism (they were content to be left alone and not to go out to forcibly convert the world with missionary zeal) and turned it into the world's first universal exclusivism with a missionary agenda. So, it is more the ancestor of militant Islam than any religion before it. It was its economic and political organization that made it the version Constantine picked. Had the Gnostics become the "official" Christianity (a weird concept because many gnostic groups were so counter-cultural that the very idea of being "official" would seem a betrayal -- but for sake of argument), I doubt the "orthodox" party who have been declared heretics -- just, unenlightened. Of course, it was the militancy that probably made "orthodox" Christianity the early version out of many to be the one to survive and re-write its own history -- and maybe, what became its own scripture. I just read an article out of Claremont Graduate School in NT historical criticism that defends the hypothesis that proto-Luke was probably originally written without Acts and looked much more gnostic or Marcionite than the current version does today and that it was probably Polycarp and company that wrote Acts and re-wrote Luke. Another recent article defended a similar hypothesis about the gospel of John.       Valete, A. Sempronius Regulus

>
> N. Apollonius Quadratus Maior et Liviae salutem plurimam dicit.
>
> Thank you for the links. Sounds like I just need to get off my lazy roman butt and get to work. As for silver clay... PMC was invented by the Mitsubishi company and sold in electrostatic sealed bags. The metal itself is micro particles bonded via organic polymers. When heated to the right temperature via kiln or blowtorch, the organic binding ignites and burns away. What is left is a pure silver (.999) trinket of whatever it was you made. The organic polymers allow for molding like clay. The PMC line consists of Copper, Brass, Silver, and Gold, with some talks of Platinum being in the works (not really likely I suspect).
>
> My main idea is that Nova Roma start forming some serious physical wealth. I don't want to see it crash. As for land, well raw land was what I had in mind. I have access to auctions that would allow us to purchase land at around 300 or less for around an acre or more as the down payment. Monthly fees of 50 to 200 dollars would be required to pay off the land entirely. Since Nova Roma would be buying the land it would be tax exempt and Nova Roma would not need to pay land tax. Since it is raw land, Nova Roma can issue the building of a Roman city from the ground up. Also should Nova Roma decide to hire some workers, the work paid would also be tax exempt and refunded at the end of the Fiscal year. So Nova Roma would not be taking any major expenses out of their budget. If I have to pay for this myself then so be it. I can afford the down payment and subsequent payments there after. I would just need to transition my business from physically based to internet based I suppose.
>
> I have some friends who use to work for Micron still have their factory to make solar cells. Using wind turbines and the solar cells I can get for dirt cheap, the main office of Nova Roma could be state of the art, or all the houses could be powered independantly and Nova Roma would not have to worry about electrical costs. On top of that, if we choose the right land to buy we can build a well and put a septic tank in the land. Doing so would allow Nova Roma to have its own water and thus avoid water bills. So if Nova Roma wants to get serious, I'll get serious and we can find a way so that Nova Roma will not have to pay land tax, electric bill, or a water bill and only have to focus on getting customers and paying off the land. I'm ready when they are. Well that's not true, I would need to transition my work over to be able to support me without being physical. So in a couple of months I'm ready...in theory.
>
> Valete.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Apolloni;
> > M. Lucretius Agricola our former webmaster, organized the coin minting group and is very keen on coins and minting them so do contact him.
> >
> > and I too am on the Coloniae Romanae list, I'd love to live part of the year as a Roman with other Romans.
> >
> > bene vale
> > Maior
> >
> >
> > > Salve Apolloni,
> > > I forgot to mention that there's a group called Coloniae Romanae (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Coloniae-Romanae/) all dedicated to projects like the one you mention of buildin a "roman " vacation resort. At the moment the list is very quiet. It seems that most people are interested in theory, but don't want to invest money themselves, and/or don't have the competences necessary for starting a project of this scope.
> > >
> > > I'm currently in Bulgaria, and here the prices wouldn't be impossible. I've seen an ad for a 5-room stone house for sale for 15 thousand euros. The only problem is that it's 68 Kms from the seaside. Land is to be had cheaply too (but more expensive as one approaches the seaside), and probably because of the cheap labour it could make sense to start such a project here.
> > >
> > > Optime vale,
> > > Livia
> > >
> > >
> > > > Omnibus Salvete
> > > >
> > > > I've been trying to get into Nova Roma IRC for sometime now, and I am using Firefox 3, and I am using chatzilla? It's the IRC plug in for Firefox. Every time I try to connect, it says either refused or timed out. Now I changed my name over to N_Apollonius_Quadratus, so that shouldn't be an issue. I turned on and off my fire wall to see if that was an issue, and it wasn't. Is there something I'm missing?
> > > >
> > > > Also, what does it cost the government to print the Nova Roma coins? I like that there is coinage being produced, but they are brass. Nothing wrong with brass, but let's give Nova Roma a little kick in the tail. Now if Nova Roma doesn't have Tax Exempt status it sure needs to get it fast. That way authorized members of Nova Roma can go out and purchase PMC (precious metal clay). This clay is .999 pure silver. Well if you get the silver. The gold is a little hefty and getting copper isn't a bad idea. Since the authorized individual purchased the clay for Nova Roma, then Nova Roma owns that clay. This is a tax write off and will be refunded at the next tax returns. The silver is classified as basic operating expenses as the silver will be minted in Nova Roma fashion. Now Nova Roma has some serious pulling weight. Real silver coins to give buying power to the Ordo Equestor, and the Copper coinage would also bring more buying power. Now instead of blank fiat money polluting Nova Roma, we have actual real wealth on which to pull from. Not only that, but should the silver market rise, so too will Nova Roma's wealth. If every citizen of Nova Roma purchased one box of PMC and donated it to Nova Roma, and Nova Roma purchased some PMC for itself, then Nova Roma will begin to have some serious wealth being developed that will not depreciate. The people who donated the PMC will be able to declare the silver as a donation and be refunded for the cost of the PMC. Realistically the cost of PMC is higher than the cost of silver as it stands, but the cost isn't a factor as the expense is refunded since it was a donation.
> > > >
> > > > What is Nova Roma doing about expansion? If Nova Roma is not a tax exempt organization it needs to be quickly. As such puting down payments on land would place Nova Roma as the sole owner of that land, and there would be no land tax and the cost of purchasing that land would be refunded. On top of that, Nova Roma can take care of other costs by building on the land making it a sort of vacation spot for people to live an "authentic" Roman lifestyle. There are all sorts of quirky places like that riddling the US and other places as well. In Finland there was an Inn for some time that you could live as a Viking. I mean Santa Claus is in Finland for goodness sake. If we used the ram earth technique to build the houses and other such buildings, we can save on costs for construction. We would also be minimally impacting the environment. If a garden for farming was established then the land could become autonomous and eventually turn into a commune where Nova Roman citizens could actually live in the lifestyle they desired. As a Temple to the Roman Gods became established on the land more people would flock to it for it's Pagan connotations. Nova Roma would expand, gaining more wealth for itself, it would spread the word of Nova Roma as people go there to escape mundane life and explore a more "holistic" way of life, in turn this money collected from travelers would go into the Nova Roman pockets where partial investment in precious metals like silver and gold solidify the wealth of Nova Roma. As the construction of the Temple becomes complete the transition from tourist destination begins to change into a commune that is self sufficient and capable of housing Nova Roman citizens. This all while Nova Roma purchases new land to continue the cycle of tourist then commune. Has this ever been considered by Nova Roman officials? What steps are there to further the goal of physical manifestation of our place in this world? Meetings are fine and all, but a central hub where Nova Romans can gather and LIVE in the lifestyle we choose, what is being to done to carry this out?
> > > >
> > > > Also, is there going to be a meet up in the US or isn't there? I've been trying to pay attention.
> > > >
> > > > And is it okay to have a tunic but not a toga?
> > > >
> > > > What is the proper way to address members of the Senate and other such Magistrates?
> > > >
> > > > And how come I haven't been assigned to my tribe yet?
> > > >
> > > > These and other questions should probably stay in my head. Until next time...
> > > >
> > > > Valete.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Salve,
>  
> I wouldn't say in ancient Rome all religions were equal. First, foreign deities and cults did not have templum augurially aligned to the heavens for their cella. They just an a surveyed piece of land or fanum. Second, cults that did not recognize the state cult or public cult were not tolerated. Third, cults that appeared to threaten the state were suppressed. The philosophers were thrown out of Rome at one point and Bacchus-Dionysos had issues with the Senate. Basically, cults that did not challenge the public cult of the state were tolerated.
>  
> Vale,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>  
>  
>
> --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Maior <rory12001@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: nova roma is syncretic
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 7:41 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Salvete;
> I was speaking of all culti,Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Isis worshippers, Pythagoreans.
>
> the Romans during the Republic did not have the concept of religious heretics. During the Empire up to Constantine, which the religio here in Nova Roma follows, there wasn't such a concept. There are no heresies and no heretics in Nova Roma.
>
> It is alien to our culture, to the tolerant syncretic place Nova Roma is.
>
> Anyone who calls himself or herself a Christian, is one; gnostic christians, rc christians, orthodox christians, universalists are all equal here. The same if cives worship Isis, Yahweh, Odin, also atheists agnostics, philosophers!
>
> We have the state cultus deorum but for everything else:
>
> All are equal in Nova Roma! We are a liberal tolerant syncretic polytheistic organization.
> valete
> M.Hortensia Maior
>
> > Salvete.
> >
> > An incorrect depiction has, once again, been given of my private cultus. "[D]uring the republic" there was no such thing as Christianity, as Christ had yet to be born; long before the end of the Western Empire Christianity had formulated itself in contrast to many various and sundry heresies - among them, Gnosticism.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
>

> potential benefits involved. Like Roman politics that much? Stop by a hobby shop, Reiner Knizia's game "Quo Vadis" and invite some friends over
> for an evening of politicking and wine. You'll have more fun.
>
> Let's face it - if this were the real Roman Republic and/or people wanted to really resolve the recent NR problems "in the Roman way", one or both factions
> would head down to the local gladiatorial school with a sack of denarii, hire a pack of goons and waylay their opponents on the road to Praeneste. Anyone
> familiar with the Gracchi brothers, Sullan proscriptions, Catilinian conspiracy or the civil wars knows this. So, when one or the other side lays claim to
> doing things "in the Roman way", let's face it this is a more civilized age and noone here is doing things as the Romans themselves would have.
>

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:

 We are a syncretic Roman polytheistic nation and organization.

 

I'm always curious as to just how syncretic the Romans actually were and how much is us imposing our modern ideas on them.

Beard & North discuss it  and raise several issues, arguing that we have to be very careful how we interpret things  to ensure we're not putting our own interpretation on them. They state that  "In Roman Britain, for example, we find a wide variety of  hybrids, 'Mars Alator', 'Sul Minerva' and so on. In most cases, however, we have only the record of a mixed divine name; we can only guess what that name meant, which deity (Roman or native) was uppermost in the minds of worshippers, or whether the two had merged into a composite whole (a process often now referred to as syncretism); we do not know, in other words, how far the process was an aspect of Roman take-over (and ultimately obliteration) of native deities, how far a mutually respectful union of two divine powers, or how far it was a minimal, resistant and token incorporation of Roman Imperial paraphernalia on the part of the provincials. Signs of 'syncretism', then ,always need to be interpreted".

I'm genuinely interested in just how syncretic were the Romans.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>  
> I wouldn't say in ancient Rome all religions were equal. First, foreign deities and cults did not have templum augurially aligned to the heavens for their cella. They just an a surveyed piece of land or fanum. Second, cults that did not recognize the state cult or public cult were not tolerated. Third, cults that appeared to threaten the state were suppressed. The philosophers were thrown out of Rome at one point and Bacchus-Dionysos had issues with the Senate. Basically, cults that did not challenge the public cult of the state were tolerated.
>  
> Vale,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>  
>  
>
> --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Maior <rory12001@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: nova roma is syncretic
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 7:41 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Salvete;
> I was speaking of all culti,Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Isis worshippers, Pythagoreans.
>
> the Romans during the Republic did not have the concept of religious heretics. During the Empire up to Constantine, which the religio here in Nova Roma follows, there wasn't such a concept. There are no heresies and no heretics in Nova Roma.

  
A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Majori quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
  

Salvete;
 I know we have a colonia list, for those interested in founding a NR colony. But we should talk about it here on the ML. Andy his critique said this was impossible. And I disagree. If we have the will and the citizens we can do it.

    ATS:  And I also disagree.  

Quadratus wrote the post below. We've been talking on the NRcolonia list, I and Livia and I daresay Scholastica would agree; see our colonia self-supporting by giving spoken Latin sessions, like summer school in a Roman environment.

    ATS:  That would be part of the package, along with sales of crafts and produce, tours, etc.

Quadratus, where are you talking about? the U.S. I presume. Is the land near anything? A town, nightlife...Being off the grid and making our own electricity and having our own well is excellent.

    ATS:  Utilities and some other factors were considerations in our earlier investigations.   A lot of us don’t need nightlife of that sort, but the proximity of supermarkets and something resembling pharmacies and clothing stores, to say nothing of medical facilities, is of considerable importance.  So, too, is that of related sites to draw tourists.  Unfortunately, most of us are busy, some of us live in areas where travel is inadvisable in winter, and none of us appears to be wealthy, so we have not been able to do much more than discuss qualities desirable in a prospective piece of land.  We would have to have multiple colonies, not just one, but at least one in Europe and one in the Americas.  One has to consider the language issue as well as everything else, especially in Europe; on this side of the pond, there are essentially four official languages (English, French, Spanish, and Portuguese, two of which are more or less geographically restricted), whereas there are many in Europe, and several are little-known outside of their immediate vicinity, whereas three of the four languages in the Americas are well known.  It is daunting enough to travel in lands where one does not know the language; living there is another, and far more challenging, situation, especially when one has to start from scratch rather than stay in an existing dwelling.  I don’t think that the European Union has gotten around to adopting our language as universal just yet, and do not expect that shopkeepers or real estate agents in, say, Bulgaria, speak Latin.  Maybe Finland; there are lots of fine Latinists there...


I'm learning right now to grow vegetables for home consumption, (the gourmet kind).

    ATS:  Good!  The ordinary ones are useful, too...even more so.  


So this is my skill. And I'm studying latin and just finished Sermo II.


    ATS:  Not just yet, young lady:  Avitus just returned and has given us a number of posts to answer, and one of these days will provide the information I need to correct the Sermo II finals, which will then be sent to him for review.  Assuming you pass, then, and only then, will you be liberated fully...and in the mean time I have to nag the Sermo I and Grammatica II students to return their exams as well as correct the GL II exams as they come in.  

 bene vale
 M. Horensia Maior

Vale, et valete.  



My main idea is that Nova Roma start forming some serious physical wealth. I
don't want to see it crash. As for land, well raw land was what I had in mind.
I have access to auctions that would allow us to purchase land at around 300 or
less for around an acre or more as the down payment. Monthly fees of 50 to 200
dollars would be required to pay off the land entirely. Since Nova Roma would
be buying the land it would be tax exempt and Nova Roma would not need to pay
land tax. Since it is raw land, Nova Roma can issue the building of a Roman
city from the ground up. Also should Nova Roma decide to hire some workers, the
work paid would also be tax exempt and refunded at the end of the Fiscal year.
So Nova Roma would not be taking any major expenses out of their budget. If I
have to pay for this myself then so be it. I can afford the down payment and
subsequent payments there after. I would just need to transition my business
from physically based to internet based I suppose.

I have some friends who use to work for Micron still have their factory to make
solar cells. Using wind turbines and the solar cells I can get for dirt cheap,
the main office of Nova Roma could be state of the art, or all the houses could
be powered independantly and Nova Roma would not have to worry about electrical
costs. On top of that, if we choose the right land to buy we can build a well
and put a septic tank in the land. Doing so would allow Nova Roma to have its
own water and thus avoid water bills. So if Nova Roma wants to get serious,
I'll get serious and we can find a way so that Nova Roma will not have to pay
land tax, electric bill, or a water bill and only have to focus on getting
customers and paying off the land. I'm ready when they are. Well that's not
true, I would need to transition my work over to be able to support me without
being physical. So in a couple of months I'm ready...in theory.

  
    

> Sir, I do not need your permission or your approval as to how I sign or do not sign my posts, thank you.
>
>
> <<Learn how the game was played (politica games of power) use the tools the romans did; and learn to take those consequences the good and the bad.>>
>  
> In fact, I urge all the women of Nova Roma to speak their minds when they so feel the need to do so on any issue. Whether I agree with their views or not, I will always support the right of all Nova Roman women to speak up, Vestals included.
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>

> >
> >
> > Salvete;
> > I know we have a colonia list, for those interested in founding a NR colony.
> > But we should talk about it here on the ML. Andy his critique said this was
> > impossible. And I disagree. If we have the will and the citizens we can do it.
> >
> > ATS: And I also disagree.
> >
> > Quadratus wrote the post below. We've been talking on the NRcolonia list, I
> > and Livia and I daresay Scholastica would agree; see our colonia
> > self-supporting by giving spoken Latin sessions, like summer school in a Roman
> > environment.
> >
> > ATS: That would be part of the package, along with sales of crafts and
> > produce, tours, etc.
> >
> > Quadratus, where are you talking about? the U.S. I presume. Is the land near
> > anything? A town, nightlife...Being off the grid and making our own
> > electricity and having our own well is excellent.
> >
> > ATS: Utilities and some other factors were considerations in our earlier
> > investigations. A lot of us don¹t need nightlife of that sort, but the
> > proximity of supermarkets and something resembling pharmacies and clothing
> > stores, to say nothing of medical facilities, is of considerable importance.
> > So, too, is that of related sites to draw tourists. Unfortunately, most of us
> > are busy, some of us live in areas where travel is inadvisable in winter, and
> > none of us appears to be wealthy, so we have not been able to do much more
> > than discuss qualities desirable in a prospective piece of land. We would
> > have to have multiple colonies, not just one, but at least one in Europe and
> > one in the Americas. One has to consider the language issue as well as
> > everything else, especially in Europe; on this side of the pond, there are
> > essentially four official languages (English, French, Spanish, and Portuguese,
> > two of which are more or less geographically restricted), whereas there are
> > many in Europe, and several are little-known outside of their immediate
> > vicinity, whereas three of the four languages in the Americas are well known.
> > It is daunting enough to travel in lands where one does not know the language;
> > living there is another, and far more challenging, situation, especially when
> > one has to start from scratch rather than stay in an existing dwelling. I
> > don¹t think that the European Union has gotten around to adopting our language
> > as universal just yet, and do not expect that shopkeepers or real estate
> > agents in, say, Bulgaria, speak Latin. Maybe Finland; there are lots of fine
> > Latinists there...
> >
> >
> > I'm learning right now to grow vegetables for home consumption, (the gourmet
> > kind).
> >
> > ATS: Good! The ordinary ones are useful, too...even more so.
> >
> >
> > So this is my skill. And I'm studying latin and just finished Sermo II.
> >
> >
> > ATS: Not just yet, young lady: Avitus just returned and has given us a
> > number of posts to answer, and one of these days will provide the information
> > I need to correct the Sermo II finals, which will then be sent to him for
> > review. Assuming you pass, then, and only then, will you be liberated
> > fully...and in the mean time I have to nag the Sermo I and Grammatica II
> > students to return their exams as well as correct the GL II exams as they come
> > in.
> >
> > bene vale
> > M. Horensia Maior
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> >
> > My main idea is that Nova Roma start forming some serious physical wealth. I
> > don't want to see it crash. As for land, well raw land was what I had in mind.
> > I have access to auctions that would allow us to purchase land at around 300
> > or
> > less for around an acre or more as the down payment. Monthly fees of 50 to 200
> > dollars would be required to pay off the land entirely. Since Nova Roma would
> > be buying the land it would be tax exempt and Nova Roma would not need to pay
> > land tax. Since it is raw land, Nova Roma can issue the building of a Roman
> > city from the ground up. Also should Nova Roma decide to hire some workers,
> > the
> > work paid would also be tax exempt and refunded at the end of the Fiscal year.
> > So Nova Roma would not be taking any major expenses out of their budget. If I
> > have to pay for this myself then so be it. I can afford the down payment and
> > subsequent payments there after. I would just need to transition my business
> > from physically based to internet based I suppose.
> >
> > I have some friends who use to work for Micron still have their factory to
> > make
> > solar cells. Using wind turbines and the solar cells I can get for dirt cheap,
> > the main office of Nova Roma could be state of the art, or all the houses
> > could
> > be powered independantly and Nova Roma would not have to worry about
> > electrical
> > costs. On top of that, if we choose the right land to buy we can build a well
> > and put a septic tank in the land. Doing so would allow Nova Roma to have its
> > own water and thus avoid water bills. So if Nova Roma wants to get serious,
> > I'll get serious and we can find a way so that Nova Roma will not have to pay
> > land tax, electric bill, or a water bill and only have to focus on getting
> > customers and paying off the land. I'm ready when they are. Well that's not
> > true, I would need to transition my work over to be able to support me without
> > being physical. So in a couple of months I'm ready...in theory.
> >
> >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Maxima Valeria Messallina

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 6:57 PM

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Colonia Nova Roma

Where there is a will, there is a way.   Maxima Valeria Messallina Sacerdos Vestalis --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote: From: Maior <rory12001@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Colonia Nova Roma To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 2:58 PM M. Hortensia A.Tullia spd; actually Quadratus has some land and says he has the know-how to put up earth bulidings and pour Roman concrete. So it's not a pipe dream at all. If we can organize. We'd have a permanent base for our Conventus as well. bene vale Maior > > > > > > Salvete; > > I know we have a colonia list, for those interested in founding a NR colony. > > But we should talk about it here on the ML. Andy his critique said this was > > impossible. And I disagree. If we have the will and the citizens we can do it. > > > > ATS: And I also disagree. > > > > Quadratus wrote the post below. We've been talking on the NRcolonia list, I > > and Livia and I daresay Scholastica would agree; see our colonia > > self-supporting by giving spoken Latin sessions, like summer school in a Roman > > environment. > > > > ATS: That would be part of the package, along with sales of crafts and > > produce, tours, etc. > > > > Quadratus, where are you talking about? the U.S. I presume. Is the land near > > anything? A town, nightlife... Being off the grid and making our own > > electricity and having our own well is excellent. > > > > ATS: Utilities and some other factors were considerations in our earlier > > investigations. A lot of us don¹t need nightlife of that sort, but the > > proximity of supermarkets and something resembling pharmacies and clothing > > stores, to say nothing of medical facilities, is of considerable importance. > > So, too, is that of related sites to draw tourists. Unfortunately, most of us > > are busy, some of us live in areas where travel is inadvisable in winter, and > > none of us appears to be wealthy, so we have not been able to do much more > > than discuss qualities desirable in a prospective piece of land. We would > > have to have multiple colonies, not just one, but at least one in Europe and > > one in the Americas. One has to consider the language issue as well as > > everything else, especially in Europe; on this side of the pond, there are > > essentially four official languages (English, French, Spanish, and Portuguese, > > two of which are more or less geographically restricted), whereas there are > > many in Europe, and several are little-known outside of their immediate > > vicinity, whereas three of the four languages in the Americas are well known. > > It is daunting enough to travel in lands where one does not know the language; > > living there is another, and far more challenging, situation, especially when > > one has to start from scratch rather than stay in an existing dwelling. I > > don¹t think that the European Union has gotten around to adopting our language > > as universal just yet, and do not expect that shopkeepers or real estate > > agents in, say, Bulgaria, speak Latin. Maybe Finland; there are lots of fine > > Latinists there... > > > > > > I'm learning right now to grow vegetables for home consumption, (the gourmet > > kind). > > > > ATS: Good! The ordinary ones are useful, too...even more so. > > > > > > So this is my skill. And I'm studying latin and just finished Sermo II. > > > > > > ATS: Not just yet, young lady: Avitus just returned and has given us a > > number of posts to answer, and one of these days will provide the information > > I need to correct the Sermo II finals, which will then be sent to him for > > review. Assuming you pass, then, and only then, will you be liberated > > fully...and in the mean time I have to nag the Sermo I and Grammatica II > > students to return their exams as well as correct the GL II exams as they come > > in. > > > > bene vale > > M. Horensia Maior > > > > Vale, et valete. > > > > > > > > My main idea is that Nova Roma start forming some serious physical wealth. I > > don't want to see it crash. As for land, well raw land was what I had in mind. > > I have access to auctions that would allow us to purchase land at around 300 > > or > > less for around an acre or more as the down payment. Monthly fees of 50 to 200 > > dollars would be required to pay off the land entirely. Since Nova Roma would > > be buying the land it would be tax exempt and Nova Roma would not need to pay > > land tax. Since it is raw land, Nova Roma can issue the building of a Roman > > city from the ground up. Also should Nova Roma decide to hire some workers, > > the > > work paid would also be tax exempt and refunded at the end of the Fiscal year. > > So Nova Roma would not be taking any major expenses out of their budget. If I > > have to pay for this myself then so be it. I can afford the down payment and > > subsequent payments there after. I would just need to transition my business > > from physically based to internet based I suppose. > > > > I have some friends who use to work for Micron still have their factory to > > make > > solar cells. Using wind turbines and the solar cells I can get for dirt cheap, > > the main office of Nova Roma could be state of the art, or all the houses > > could > > be powered independantly and Nova Roma would not have to worry about > > electrical > > costs. On top of that, if we choose the right land to buy we can build a well > > and put a septic tank in the land. Doing so would allow Nova Roma to have its > > own water and thus avoid water bills. So if Nova Roma wants to get serious, > > I'll get serious and we can find a way so that Nova Roma will not have to pay > > land tax, electric bill, or a water bill and only have to focus on getting > > customers and paying off the land. I'm ready when they are. Well that's not > > true, I would need to transition my work over to be able to support me without > > being physical. So in a couple of months I'm ready...in theory. > > > > > > >

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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Octavia Aventina" <roman.babe@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete all (and especially our Vestal virgin),
>
> You know, I've said a lot of rude things to people over the years, and there
> is only one thing that keeps replaying over and over in my mind that I
> really really regret- and those were the horribly rude comments that I made
> about our Vestal virgin in the BA. I won't repeat them, because I cringe
> everytime I think of them. Someone hit the nail on the head when they said
> that I made those comments just as I would have made a comment about a
> catholic priest. I didn't think of a person as a Vestal virgin. I just
> spontaneously and stupidly wrote 2 nasty things in a row. Then once I saw
> that our Vestal virgin was upset, it hit me that I was actually commented
> rudely about a real flesh and blood woman whom I always liked and who was
> always very sweet to me.. Then the reality set in and I thought "What kind
> of diarhea has been flowing out of my mouth for the last few years?". I
> would never ever say anything so hurtful in real life to anyone. In fact, I
> always go out of my way to say nice things to people....
>
> So once again I am extremely & very much sorry for saying those horrible
> things about a lady who did not deserve it. My 'penance' is that I keep
> replaying it over and over in my head and feel totally embarrassed and
> guilty each time.. I deserve to feel horrible about this.
> Valete,
> Diana
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Andy,
> I wish some of the people here would take your advice. Unfortunately their aim seems to be to drive constructive people like you away. I seems they succeed in 95% of the cases.
> Then they complai because NR has few assidui.
>
> Vale
> Livia
>
> > potential benefits involved. Like Roman politics that much? Stop by a hobby shop, Reiner Knizia's game "Quo Vadis" and invite some friends over
> > for an evening of politicking and wine. You'll have more fun.
> >
> > Let's face it - if this were the real Roman Republic and/or people wanted to really resolve the recent NR problems "in the Roman way", one or both factions
> > would head down to the local gladiatorial school with a sack of denarii, hire a pack of goons and waylay their opponents on the road to Praeneste. Anyone
> > familiar with the Gracchi brothers, Sullan proscriptions, Catilinian conspiracy or the civil wars knows this. So, when one or the other side lays claim to
> > doing things "in the Roman way", let's face it this is a more civilized age and noone here is doing things as the Romans themselves would have.
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete;
> I know we have a colonia list, for those interested in founding a NR colony. But we should talk about it here on the ML. Andy his critique said this was impossible. And I disagree. If we have the will and the citizens we can do it.
>
> Quadratus wrote the post below. We've been talking on the NRcolonia list, I and Livia and I daresay Scholastica would agree; see our colonia self-supporting by giving spoken Latin sessions, like summer school in a Roman environment.
>
> Quadratus, where are you talking about? the U.S. I presume. Is the land near anything? A town, nightlife...Being off the grid and making our own electricity and having our own well is excellent. I'm learning right now to grow vegetables for home consumption, (the gourmet kind). So this is my skill. And I'm studying latin and just finished Sermo II.
> bene vale
> M. Horensia Maior
>
>
>
> My main idea is that Nova Roma start forming some serious physical wealth. I
> don't want to see it crash. As for land, well raw land was what I had in mind.
> I have access to auctions that would allow us to purchase land at around 300 or
> less for around an acre or more as the down payment. Monthly fees of 50 to 200
> dollars would be required to pay off the land entirely. Since Nova Roma would
> be buying the land it would be tax exempt and Nova Roma would not need to pay
> land tax. Since it is raw land, Nova Roma can issue the building of a Roman
> city from the ground up. Also should Nova Roma decide to hire some workers, the
> work paid would also be tax exempt and refunded at the end of the Fiscal year.
> So Nova Roma would not be taking any major expenses out of their budget. If I
> have to pay for this myself then so be it. I can afford the down payment and
> subsequent payments there after. I would just need to transition my business
> from physically based to internet based I suppose.
>
> I have some friends who use to work for Micron still have their factory to make
> solar cells. Using wind turbines and the solar cells I can get for dirt cheap,
> the main office of Nova Roma could be state of the art, or all the houses could
> be powered independantly and Nova Roma would not have to worry about electrical
> costs. On top of that, if we choose the right land to buy we can build a well
> and put a septic tank in the land. Doing so would allow Nova Roma to have its
> own water and thus avoid water bills. So if Nova Roma wants to get serious,
> I'll get serious and we can find a way so that Nova Roma will not have to pay
> land tax, electric bill, or a water bill and only have to focus on getting
> customers and paying off the land. I'm ready when they are. Well that's not
> true, I would need to transition my work over to be able to support me without
> being physical. So in a couple of months I'm ready...in theory.
>