> So, it seems you changed your mind about this the moment Albucius put you under moderation.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gaius Equitius Cato

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:11 AM

Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: QUOSQUE TANDEM ABUTERE, CATO, PATIENTIA NOSTRA!

Cato L. Fidelio Lusitano sal.

Salve.

Well where to begin...

Sulla and I are not magistrates, we're senators.

Agricola didn't challenge Modianus' election.

While you may feel comfortable deciding what the Gods of Rome think, please don't speak for the God of my cultus, thanks.

Sulla has already been compared to Catiline, and I don't take second fiddle to anyone, but I will abutere patientia vostra as long as the current government cannot find a way of regularly and consistently obeying our law.

Vale,

Cato

P.S. - yes, I know I didn't decline it properly. GEC

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>
> Salve Agricola,
>
> Some sort of daemon would have to be installed that opened a port allowing remote access. On top of this, it would have to initiate the TCP connexion from inside the NAT and keep it open so that it could be accessed whenever the attacker wanted.

>
> I realized that the word "clown" was not the right word to define Sulla and his buddies, they are not funny.
>
> Vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tiberius Horatius Barbatus" <robbjaxon@...> wrote:
>
> Tribunus Plebis Tiberius Horatius Barbatus Quiritibus SPD
>
> Salvete citizens of Nova Roma!
>
> The auspicia having been taken by Augur M. Moravius, and found to be propitious, Consul M. Curiatius Complutensis has called the Senate to order.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gaio Equitio Catoni salutem dicit
>
> In Nova Roma the augures determine what is and what is not auspicious. You
> do not have that privilege.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> >
> > Salvete.
> >
> > I assume then that the tribunes have decided to ignore my appeal to them
> > (without having bothered to inform me) and instead announce that the very
> > person central to the whole issue will be presiding over the Senate.
> >
> > That makes sense.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato Fabio Modiano sal.

Salve.

I do, however, have the privilege of what is known as common sense. But the auspices have nothing to do with what I commented upon.

By the way, were the auspices taken *before* or *after* we discovered that Complutensis is probably the source of the attempt to defraud the Respublica?

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gaio Equitio Catoni salutem dicit
>
> It doesn't matter when the auspices were taken. Iuppiter sends the signs.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato Fabio Modiano sal.
> >
> > Salve.
> >
> > I do, however, have the privilege of what is known as common sense. But the
> > auspices have nothing to do with what I commented upon.
> >
> > By the way, were the auspices taken *before* or *after* we discovered that
> > Complutensis is probably the source of the attempt to defraud the
> > Respublica?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
>

>
> You didn't answer the question.
>
> Were they taken before or after the revelation of the fake persona?
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gaio Equitio Catoni salutem dicit
> >
> > It doesn't matter when the auspices were taken. Iuppiter sends the signs.
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cato Fabio Modiano sal.
> > >
> > > Salve.
> > >
> > > I do, however, have the privilege of what is known as common sense. But the
> > > auspices have nothing to do with what I commented upon.
> > >
> > > By the way, were the auspices taken *before* or *after* we discovered that
> > > Complutensis is probably the source of the attempt to defraud the
> > > Respublica?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> -M. Hortensia G.Equitio sd;
> actually he did, you just don't understand augury. If Iuppiter OM disapproved he would send signs, at anytime.
> vale
> Maior
> >
> > You didn't answer the question.
> >
> > Were they taken before or after the revelation of the fake persona?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gaio Equitio Catoni salutem dicit
> > >
> > > It doesn't matter when the auspices were taken. Iuppiter sends the signs.
> > >
> > > Vale;
> > >
> > > Modianus
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cato Fabio Modiano sal.
> > > >
> > > > Salve.
> > > >
> > > > I do, however, have the privilege of what is known as common sense. But the
> > > > auspices have nothing to do with what I commented upon.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, were the auspices taken *before* or *after* we discovered that
> > > > Complutensis is probably the source of the attempt to defraud the
> > > > Respublica?
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Caeso Fabio Buteo Modiano G. Equitio Catoni s.p.d.
>
> Would it be too much to ask the two of you to stop cutting little pieces off one another for a few days??
>
> Cato - Modianus, Paulinus, myself, and others in the Senate do not see any reason why the current session should be delayed and nothing on the agenda will effect a later call of the Senate by the Tribunes to investigate the supposed involvement between Complutensis Consul and the person posting as fpasquinus.? I am confident that through the good offices of the Senators and Conscript Fathers, the Praetores, and Matt Hucke; the whole matter will be resolved.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> I assume then that the tribunes have decided to ignore my appeal to them (without having bothered to inform me) and instead announce that the very person central to the whole issue will be presiding over the Senate.
>
> That makes sense.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tiberius Horatius Barbatus" <robbjaxon@> wrote:
> >
> > Tribunus Plebis Tiberius Horatius Barbatus Quiritibus SPD
> >
> > Salvete citizens of Nova Roma!
> >
> > The auspicia having been taken by Augur M. Moravius, and found to be propitious, Consul M. Curiatius Complutensis has called the Senate to order.
>

>
> Cato Horatio Barbato sal.
>
> Salve tribune.
>
> I presented my call to the "duty" tribune, as requested; you then asked me what *my* agenda was, and I explained it quite fully and precisely.
>
> I am note sure if you expected me to pretend I was impartial in the matter, but I am not nor will I pretend that I am. Being impartial is the job of the tribunes, as I said in my explanation.
>
> I do not say this in an aggressive tone of voiceat all, by the way, so please don't take it that way. I was simply surprised that I had not received any kind of answer and then the new call for a Senate session was announced.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Cato,
> so what exactly did you want from the duty tribune? A tribune cannot decide which consul will call the senate into session. His duty is to report what happens in the senate.
>
> Tribunes can call the senate into session, but obviously not when it already is.
>
> Vale,
> Livia
> >
> > Cato Horatio Barbato sal.
> >
> > Salve tribune.
> >
> > I presented my call to the "duty" tribune, as requested; you then asked me what *my* agenda was, and I explained it quite fully and precisely.
> >
> > I am note sure if you expected me to pretend I was impartial in the matter, but I am not nor will I pretend that I am. Being impartial is the job of the tribunes, as I said in my explanation.
> >
> > I do not say this in an aggressive tone of voiceat all, by the way, so please don't take it that way. I was simply surprised that I had not received any kind of answer and then the new call for a Senate session was announced.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
>

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato Liviae Plautae sal.

Salve.

Livia, the whole point is that the tribunes can - all by themselves - call the Senate into session, which is what I have been looking for. My earlier posts spell this out in exquisite detail.

Vale,

Cato

> By the way, were the auspices taken *before* or *after* we discovered that Complutensis is probably the source of the attempt to defraud the Respublica?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gaio Equitio Catoni salutem dicit
>
> Consul Severus has agreed, per the request of the censores, to convene the
> senate after the current session to discuss the matter of Complutensis and
> fpasquinus.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato Liviae Plautae sal.
> >
> > Salve.
> >
> > Livia, the whole point is that the tribunes can - all by themselves - call
> > the Senate into session, which is what I have been looking for. My earlier
> > posts spell this out in exquisite detail.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus G. Equitio Cato sal.
>
> Your call has not been ignored and the Tribunes will call the Senate to investigate the possibility that fpasquinus and Complutensis Consul may be the same person.? Until that time, the business of the res publica must go on and should not be delayed.? Regardless of my personal feelings on this matter, the theory of innocent until proven guilty remains one of the fundamental applications within Nova Roma.
>
> Also, there is a tradition that most sitting magistrates are immune to a petitio actionis while in office.? There are some leges that allow for a magistrate to be removed for dereliction of duty and also if the identity of fpasquinus can be determined, the Tribunes could bring an action against that person under the lex Didia Gemina.? However, such actions should not be considered until there is proof(s) beyond reasonable doubt(s).
>
> Vale.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:20 am
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> I assume then that the tribunes have decided to ignore my appeal to them (without having bothered to inform me) and instead announce that the very person central to the whole issue will be presiding over the Senate.
>
> That makes sense.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tiberius Horatius Barbatus" <robbjaxon@> wrote:
> >
> > Tribunus Plebis Tiberius Horatius Barbatus Quiritibus SPD
> >
> > Salvete citizens of Nova Roma!
> >
> > The auspicia having been taken by Augur M. Moravius, and found to be propitious, Consul M. Curiatius Complutensis has called the Senate to order.
>

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Salvete.

Fabius Modianus, the point of having the tribunes call it is that I would prefer it *not* be run by a member of the current government, as it has lost almost all of its credibility at this point.

An objective third party running the inquiry etc. is the entire point of my call.

Valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gaio Equitio Catoni salutem dicit
>
> Consul Severus as the other consul should be the one to convene the senate
> since this anonymous poster insulted the tribunate. It is Severus' right as
> consul to convene the senate, and if he doesn't do a job satisfactory to the
> tribunes then they can convene the senate after Severus has had the
> opportunity.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> >
> > Salvete.
> >
> > Fabius Modianus, the point of having the tribunes call it is that I would
> > prefer it *not* be run by a member of the current government, as it has lost
> > almost all of its credibility at this point.
> >
> > An objective third party running the inquiry etc. is the entire point of my
> > call.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
>

> Salve Paulinus!
>
> We do have the separate e-mail accounts. The problem is I can not CREATE
> accounts on NR web-site for my wife and children - there is just no link
> for that. I am proposed to log in using name(which my wife and kids do
> have) and password which they don't... I think web-site "spots" me by IP
> and don't let me create another account. Also several sarmatians who
> already obtained the permanent citizenship can't create their accounts -
> they just don't get how to do that. Is there any instruction for that
> matter?
>
> Gratias ago et optime vale,
>
> CORVVS
>
>

>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus G. Equitio Cato sal.
>
> Your call has not been ignored and the Tribunes will call the Senate to investigate the possibility that fpasquinus and Complutensis Consul may be the same person.? Until that time, the business of the res publica must go on and should not be delayed.? Regardless of my personal feelings on this matter, the theory of innocent until proven guilty remains one of the fundamental applications within Nova Roma.
>
> Also, there is a tradition that most sitting magistrates are immune to a petitio actionis while in office.? There are some leges that allow for a magistrate to be removed for dereliction of duty and also if the identity of fpasquinus can be determined, the Tribunes could bring an action against that person under the lex Didia Gemina.? However, such actions should not be considered until there is proof(s) beyond reasonable doubt(s).
>
> Vale.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:20 am
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> I assume then that the tribunes have decided to ignore my appeal to them (without having bothered to inform me) and instead announce that the very person central to the whole issue will be presiding over the Senate.
>
> That makes sense.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tiberius Horatius Barbatus" <robbjaxon@> wrote:
> >
> > Tribunus Plebis Tiberius Horatius Barbatus Quiritibus SPD
> >
> > Salvete citizens of Nova Roma!
> >
> > The auspicia having been taken by Augur M. Moravius, and found to be propitious, Consul M. Curiatius Complutensis has called the Senate to order.
>

On 6/29/09, <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> [excision], let's try to work within traditional mos.
>
> Maior

If NOVA Roma was truly working within the traditional Mos Maiorum
(sic) of Nova Antiqua, you would be sitting home with your useless yap
shut.

As it is, Nova Roma is not working within the tradition Mos. We are
building a New Mos upon the foundation of the old.

Venator, the restive rester

>
>
> Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Quiritibus s. p. d.
>
>
> I announce you that the 5th Reenactor Camp of the Nova Roman Provincia

>
> We had a wonderful day, and we will together during the week, the camp

>
> Any Nova Roman coming is our guest. (Send a private mail.)
>
> Further reports are coming.
>
> Please be informed the during that time period I will have very rare

>
> VIVAT NOVA ROMA!
>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, pontifex
> Legatus pro praetore Pannoniae
> Centurio Legionis XXI Rapacis
>

> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: jfarnoud94@...
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:19:15 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
>
>
> C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
>
> > By the way, were the auspices taken *before* or *after* we discovered that Complutensis is probably the source of the attempt to defraud the Respublica?
>
> Probably? You have the evidences of that?
>
> Vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
>
>
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>
> I believe that the evidence they've brought forward to support these
> accusations is that the two share the same ISP address, which means they
> are using the same computer.
>
>> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>> From: jfarnoud94@...
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:19:15 +0000
>> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
>>
>>
>> C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
>>
>> > By the way, were the auspices taken *before* or *after* we discovered
>> > that Complutensis is probably the source of the attempt to defraud the
>> > Respublica?
>>
>> Probably? You have the evidences of that?
>>
>> Vale.
>> C. Petronius Dexter
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>
> Salvete
>  
> The problem, or even vitality of traditional mos, was that there was a history of informal agreement amongst families, groups of families, and classes over precedent customs of the ancestors and a legally recongnized history of informal disagreement amongst same.
> Think of it this way. There were shared memories of events: degrees of agreements and disagreements of what said events portend. One of the best professors I had (Sicilian, mafia family, Philly) once explained that ancient governments operated mainly along family allegiances and family interpretations of past family truces (law, customs, mos). His point was that the mafia was just the ancient form of government out of date.
>  
> Vale,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>
> --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Maior <rory12001@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 11:01 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M. Hortensia Fl. Aureliano spd;
> here is the link to the Lex Didia Gemina; where on earth do you see that the tribunes could go forward with an action against a sitting magistrate?
> http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Lex_ Didia_Gemina_ de_potestate_ tribunicia_(Nova_Roma)- --
> I am asking Aureliane so we can avoid any problems like last time, let's try to work within traditional mos.
> optime vale
> Maior
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus G. Equitio Cato sal.
> >
> > Your call has not been ignored and the Tribunes will call the Senate to investigate the possibility that fpasquinus and Complutensis Consul may be the same person.? Until that time, the business of the res publica must go on and should not be delayed.? Regardless of my personal feelings on this matter, the theory of innocent until proven guilty remains one of the fundamental applications within Nova Roma.
> >
> > Also, there is a tradition that most sitting magistrates are immune to a petitio actionis while in office.? There are some leges that allow for a magistrate to be removed for dereliction of duty and also if the identity of fpasquinus can be determined, the Tribunes could bring an action against that person under the lex Didia Gemina.? However, such actions should not be considered until there is proof(s) beyond reasonable doubt(s).
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@ ..>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:20 am
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> >
> > Salvete.
> >
> > I assume then that the tribunes have decided to ignore my appeal to them (without having bothered to inform me) and instead announce that the very person central to the whole issue will be presiding over the Senate.
> >
> > That makes sense.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Tiberius Horatius Barbatus" <robbjaxon@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tribunus Plebis Tiberius Horatius Barbatus Quiritibus SPD
> > >
> > > Salvete citizens of Nova Roma!
> > >
> > > The auspicia having been taken by Augur M. Moravius, and found to be propitious, Consul M. Curiatius Complutensis has called the Senate to order.
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> That statement about the current government makes as much sense as teats on a boarhog.? All of the Tribunes are part of the current government of Nova Roma.?
>
> Aureliane
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:30 pm
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> Fabius Modianus, the point of having the tribunes call it is that I would prefer it *not* be run by a member of the current government, as it has lost almost all of its credibility at this point.
>
> An objective third party running the inquiry etc. is the entire point of my call.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gaio Equitio Catoni salutem dicit
> >
> > Consul Severus has agreed, per the request of the censores, to convene the
> > senate after the current session to discuss the matter of Complutensis and
> > fpasquinus.
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cato Liviae Plautae sal.
> > >
> > > Salve.
> > >
> > > Livia, the whole point is that the tribunes can - all by themselves - call
> > > the Senate into session, which is what I have been looking for. My earlier
> > > posts spell this out in exquisite detail.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> please, help me to solve the problem. My wife and kids who are also citizens of NR are using the same computer, internet connection and IP that I am. And when they want to create their personal account on NR web-site there is no link for that. How that can be solved?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola" <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
>
> Not just that, but that they share *two* of the same IP addresses. That and
> linguistic similarities between the two.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jesse Corradino" <woden66@...>
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:04 PM
> To: <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
>
> >
> > I believe that the evidence they've brought forward to support these
> > accusations is that the two share the same ISP address, which means they
> > are using the same computer.
> >
> >> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >> From: jfarnoud94@...
> >> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:19:15 +0000
> >> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
> >>
> >>
> >> C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
> >>
> >> > By the way, were the auspices taken *before* or *after* we discovered
> >> > that Complutensis is probably the source of the attempt to defraud the
> >> > Respublica?
> >>
> >> Probably? You have the evidences of that?
> >>
> >> Vale.
> >> C. Petronius Dexter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> You know exactly what I meant, Galerius Aurelianus. The tribunes are historically (and implicitly currently) charged with protecting the People from the abuses of their rights by the magistrates - what I refer to as the "current government".
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> >
> > That statement about the current government makes as much sense as teats on a boarhog.? All of the Tribunes are part of the current government of Nova Roma.?
> >
> > Aureliane
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:30 pm
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> >
> > Salvete.
> >
> > Fabius Modianus, the point of having the tribunes call it is that I would prefer it *not* be run by a member of the current government, as it has lost almost all of its credibility at this point.
> >
> > An objective third party running the inquiry etc. is the entire point of my call.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gaio Equitio Catoni salutem dicit
> > >
> > > Consul Severus has agreed, per the request of the censores, to convene the
> > > senate after the current session to discuss the matter of Complutensis and
> > > fpasquinus.
> > >
> > > Vale;
> > >
> > > Modianus
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cato Liviae Plautae sal.
> > > >
> > > > Salve.
> > > >
> > > > Livia, the whole point is that the tribunes can - all by themselves - call
> > > > the Senate into session, which is what I have been looking for. My earlier
> > > > posts spell this out in exquisite detail.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
>
> C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
>
> > By the way, were the auspices taken *before* or *after* we discovered that Complutensis is probably the source of the attempt to defraud the Respublica?
>
> Probably? You have the evidences of that?
>
> Vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

> Not just that, but that they share *two* of the same IP addresses. That and
> linguistic similarities between the two.

> C. Petronius Q. Valerio s.p.d.,
>
>> Not just that, but that they share *two* of the same IP addresses. That
>> and
>> linguistic similarities between the two.
>
> About the linguistic similarities Gualterus did not give one example, he
> only said that the Pasquinus' style did not sound native English. But I
> fear that Pasquinus, Complutensis, Lentulus, me and many others do not
> write native English. It is not an evidence nor the IP addresses.
> And a native English speaker can simulate foreigner mistakes.
>
> Vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius Q. Valerio sal.,
>
> The weak evidences are the addresses IP, but they are not evidences if a haker can use them. In my opinion we also must research with psychology.
>
> 1)- Why the consul Complutensis would be behind an other nickname? In which advantage? Cui bono? In which interest?
>
> 2)- This "valse of pseudos", this character of masked avenger does not sound the serious consul Complutensis.
>
> And why the name fpasquinus?
>
> Pasquinus is the Roman talking statue. See that on Wikipedia:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasquin
>
> And I have to say that Pasquin, in France, also is a comedy character, the crafty manservant in the XVIIth century theatre. But the statue and the meanservant of the XVIIth century are not very known. Perhaps behind this fpasquinus we must research a scholar and a scholar with very good computer knowledges.
>
> So, at which behaviour this Pasquinus refers? A serious consul or a satiric scholar computer scientist?
>
> Vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

> C. Petronius Q. Valerio sal.,
>
> The weak evidences are the addresses IP, but they are not evidences if a
> haker can use them. In my opinion we also must research with psychology.
>
> 1)- Why the consul Complutensis would be behind an other nickname? In
> which advantage? Cui bono? In which interest?
>
> 2)- This "valse of pseudos", this character of masked avenger does not
> sound the serious consul Complutensis.
>
> And why the name fpasquinus?
>
> Pasquinus is the Roman talking statue. See that on Wikipedia:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasquin
>
> And I have to say that Pasquin, in France, also is a comedy character, the
> crafty manservant in the XVIIth century theatre. But the statue and the
> meanservant of the XVIIth century are not very known. Perhaps behind this
> fpasquinus we must research a scholar and a scholar with very good
> computer knowledges.
>
> So, at which behaviour this Pasquinus refers? A serious consul or a
> satiric scholar computer scientist?
>
> Vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
>

  A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Valerio Poplicolae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    His diebus corrigo probationes finales Sermonis Latini I et Grammaticae Latinae II, ergo occupatissima sum et quam brevissime respondere cogor.  

  

I apologize. It has come to my attention that they shared several more addresses as well. The more address shared, the more the likelihood that it's the same person rises.

Static IP addresses are common to one and only one internet location (one router, for instance). Dynamic ones change, but then there would be different IP addresses, and the chances that a person sharing two or more reaches nearly 100% likely that the same internet connections were used.

The only other explanation would be that Complutensis' child or wife or relative who lives and works with him used his computers when he wasn't. But the hacker story? 100% BS.

    ATS:  Possisne explicare qua de causa sat nuper nonnullos nuntios mercatorum a computatore Complutensis acceperim?  Estne subito factus mercator, munere juris periti deposito, et mittens praeconia de mentulis horologiis diaetis aliis talibus?  Credat Apella.


Bill Clinton's Monica and marijuana lies and George W. Bush's (far more) numerous lies were more credible than Complutensis' hacker story.

    ATS:  Ré vérá?

Vale bene!

Poplicola


Vale, et valete.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "Q. Valerius Poplicola" <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
>
> Not just that, but that they share *two* of the same IP addresses. That and
> linguistic similarities between the two.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jesse Corradino" <woden66@...>
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:04 PM
> To: <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:nova-roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
>
> >
> > I believe that the evidence they've brought forward to support these
> > accusations is that the two share the same ISP address, which means they
> > are using the same computer.
> >
> >> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> From: jfarnoud94@...
> >> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:19:15 +0000
> >> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
> >>
> >>
> >> C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
> >>
> >> > By the way, were the auspices taken *before* or *after* we discovered
> >> > that Complutensis is probably the source of the attempt to defraud the
> >> > Respublica?
> >>
> >> Probably? You have the evidences of that?
> >>
> >> Vale.
> >> C. Petronius Dexter

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Gaius Petronius Dexter <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

C. Petronius Q. Valerio sal.,

The weak evidences are the addresses IP, but they are not evidences if a haker can use them.

Actually they are accepted as evidence in the courts of law.  there have been several cases where people have been accused of illegal downloading and denied it. The evidence presented has been it was your IP address that accessed the site and initiated th request. The courts have in each case accepted that as irrefutable proof and in some cases the perpetrators have been fined thousands.

If it's proof enough for the courts why isn't it good enough for Nova Roma.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

> If you don't wish to be informed by the current discussion, why are you here?

> Actually they are accepted as evidence in the courts of law.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

> NB: When I read the sources of my messages, I do not find the IP address of my computer. Perhaps because of the subnet mask?

You probably don't understand what a netmask is and you definitely don't know how to read an email header. Your message was posted to the yahoo group website from 86.69.170.102.

If you are using a cable or DSL "modem" your PC is probably using a 192.168 address (probably 192.168.1.2 or 192.168.2.2) but your "modem" has 86.69.170.102, and this can be identified uniquely to you.

Vale,

Gualterus

> You probably don't understand what a netmask is

> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: jfarnoud94@...
> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:43:05 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
>
> C. Petronius Q. Valerio s.p.d.,
>
> > Not just that, but that they share *two* of the same IP addresses. That and
> > linguistic similarities between the two.
>
> About the linguistic similarities Gualterus did not give one example, he only said that the Pasquinus' style did not sound native English. But I fear that Pasquinus, Complutensis, Lentulus, me and many others do not write native English. It is not an evidence nor the IP addresses.
> And a native English speaker can simulate foreigner mistakes.
>
> Vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
>
>
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> Q Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem dicit.
>
> As the month draws its close, I hope we might all take a moment, however brief,
> to reflect on what has happened in this first half of the year. There is, to be
> sure, no lack of happenings upon which we can reflect; I hope we will all
> consider them with the utmost seriousness as they so desperately deserve. In
> reflecting upon them, in reflecting upon our current situation, to all persons,
> on all sides, I pose three questions. In posing my questions, I stand not on
> any side but my own; I hope in considering them, you will recognise this and
> consider them accordingly. And to anyone who believes my questions to stem from
> support or opposition for or to one side or the other, I can only say that you
> know what limbs you have, and how to use them to bring yourself whatever
> pleasure you need.
>
> I ask these things:
>
> How are your current actions contributing to furthering the mission, however so
> defined, of Nova Roma?
>
> How, in the future, can you apply your energies to furthering the mission of
> Nova Roma?
>
> What can you do, in five years, in one year, in one month, in one week,
> tomorrow, today, and right now, to bring Nova Roma closer to its goal?
>
> For those of you who would respond, I ask that you not respond, publicly or
> privately, in words, but in your deeds. In the end, what are words but mere
> marks and utterances? It is our actions that make things; it is then there that
> our energies must be concentrated.
>
> I pray you consider these things before you come, here or elsewhere, to make
> your next post.
>
> Di nos Romanos incolumes custodiant.
>
> Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
>

> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: jfarnoud94@...
> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:24:00 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
>
> C. Petronius Fl. Lucillae s.p.d.,
>
> > Actually they are accepted as evidence in the courts of law.
>
> Not only. Before the judge question the provider. Only the provider knows to whom he gave the IP address. When in my computer I type on the windows command cmd the internalcommand "IPconfig /all" I read that my IP address is allowed for 1 day at the close second. So, an IP address is not allowed to my computer for life.
>
> NB: When I read the sources of my messages, I do not find the IP address of my computer. Perhaps because of the subnet mask?
>
> Vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
>
>
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Maior quiritibus spd;
> I agree entirely.
>
> 1. What happened to the Conventus?
> thrown under the bus for political arguing
> 2
> . where is the religio?
> ignored for arguing
>
> 3. where is a real discussion of Roman mos, history, culture?
> put aside for arguing
>
> I posted in the CP and now here, that on Feriae we should post our own original carmina, songs poetry, to the gods Surely if we wish NR to flourish we need to put the gods first and tiresome wrangling last.
>
> Quirites let us praies the gods of our ancestors!
> and may they favour Nova Roma!
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>
>
>
> >
> > Q Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem dicit.
> >
> > As the month draws its close, I hope we might all take a moment, however brief,
> > to reflect on what has happened in this first half of the year. There is, to be
> > sure, no lack of happenings upon which we can reflect; I hope we will all
> > consider them with the utmost seriousness as they so desperately deserve. In
> > reflecting upon them, in reflecting upon our current situation, to all persons,
> > on all sides, I pose three questions. In posing my questions, I stand not on
> > any side but my own; I hope in considering them, you will recognise this and
> > consider them accordingly. And to anyone who believes my questions to stem from
> > support or opposition for or to one side or the other, I can only say that you
> > know what limbs you have, and how to use them to bring yourself whatever
> > pleasure you need.
> >
> > I ask these things:
> >
> > How are your current actions contributing to furthering the mission, however so
> > defined, of Nova Roma?
> >
> > How, in the future, can you apply your energies to furthering the mission of
> > Nova Roma?
> >
> > What can you do, in five years, in one year, in one month, in one week,
> > tomorrow, today, and right now, to bring Nova Roma closer to its goal?
> >
> > For those of you who would respond, I ask that you not respond, publicly or
> > privately, in words, but in your deeds. In the end, what are words but mere
> > marks and utterances? It is our actions that make things; it is then there that
> > our energies must be concentrated.
> >
> > I pray you consider these things before you come, here or elsewhere, to make
> > your next post.
> >
> > Di nos Romanos incolumes custodiant.
> >
> > Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
> >
>

>
> Salvete
>  
> The problem, or even vitality of traditional mos, was that there was a history of informal agreement amongst families, groups of families, and classes over precedent customs of the ancestors and a legally recongnized history of informal disagreement amongst same.
> Think of it this way. There were shared memories of events: degrees of agreements and disagreements of what said events portend. One of the best professors I had (Sicilian, mafia family, Philly) once explained that ancient governments operated mainly along family allegiances and family interpretations of past family truces (law, customs, mos). His point was that the mafia was just the ancient form of government out of date.
>  
> Vale,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>
> --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Maior <rory12001@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 11:01 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M. Hortensia Fl. Aureliano spd;
> here is the link to the Lex Didia Gemina; where on earth do you see that the tribunes could go forward with an action against a sitting magistrate?
> http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Lex_ Didia_Gemina_ de_potestate_ tribunicia_(Nova_Roma)- --
> I am asking Aureliane so we can avoid any problems like last time, let's try to work within traditional mos.
> optime vale
> Maior
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus G. Equitio Cato sal.
> >
> > Your call has not been ignored and the Tribunes will call the Senate to investigate the possibility that fpasquinus and Complutensis Consul may be the same person.? Until that time, the business of the res publica must go on and should not be delayed.? Regardless of my personal feelings on this matter, the theory of innocent until proven guilty remains one of the fundamental applications within Nova Roma.
> >
> > Also, there is a tradition that most sitting magistrates are immune to a petitio actionis while in office.? There are some leges that allow for a magistrate to be removed for dereliction of duty and also if the identity of fpasquinus can be determined, the Tribunes could bring an action against that person under the lex Didia Gemina.? However, such actions should not be considered until there is proof(s) beyond reasonable doubt(s).
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@ ..>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:20 am
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: THE SENATE IS CALLED INTO SESSION
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> >
> > Salvete.
> >
> > I assume then that the tribunes have decided to ignore my appeal to them (without having bothered to inform me) and instead announce that the very person central to the whole issue will be presiding over the Senate.
> >
> > That makes sense.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Tiberius Horatius Barbatus" <robbjaxon@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tribunus Plebis Tiberius Horatius Barbatus Quiritibus SPD
> > >
> > > Salvete citizens of Nova Roma!
> > >
> > > The auspicia having been taken by Augur M. Moravius, and found to be propitious, Consul M. Curiatius Complutensis has called the Senate to order.
> >
>

> The ISP is the proverbial "smoking gun."

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> > The ISP is the proverbial "smoking gun."
>
> If I do not understand why suddenly consul M. Complutensis would be taken by imagining a so odd act behind another identity, I well see why some citizens, and Gualterus first, are so interested by this "fraud" that they dream true.
>
> Gualterus clearly wrote his dream :" Complutensis is dishonest and dishonored; his career is finished." [Message#68026]
>
> Gualterus has a dream...
>
> Vale
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

>
> I have always felt the reason why the Costa Nostra is considered an
> offshoot of the Roman familia system ...

>
> The head of the family has Potestas over everyone in the extended family.
> Loyalty to the extended family was paramount, and betrayal was dealt with
> harshly.
>
> Certainly Machiavelli saw the new merchant princes of the Italian City
> States as the continuation of the Roman Famous Families if not in name at
> least in deed.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Coruncanius Cato <l.coruncanius_cato@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> by the way Fabius Maximus, Machiavelli's Prince was not based on any italian prince. Go on lecturing someone else...again.
>
> Di vos incolumem custodiant.
>
> --
>
> L. Coruncanius Cato
>
> Aedilis Curulis
>
> Scriba Consulis Hispaniae
>
> --- El mar, 30/6/09, livia_plauta <livia.plauta@...> escribió:
>
> De: livia_plauta <livia.plauta@...>
> Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mafia and government forms
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Fecha: martes, 30 junio, 2009 11:06
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salve Maxime,
>
>
>
> >
>
> > I have always felt the reason why the Costa Nostra is considered an
>
> > offshoot of the Roman familia system ...
>
>
>
> By whom?
>
>
>
> >
>
> > The head of the family has Potestas over everyone in the extended family.
>
> > Loyalty to the extended family was paramount, and betrayal was dealt with
>
> > harshly.
>
> >
>
> > Certainly Machiavelli saw the new merchant princes of the Italian City
>
> > States as the continuation of the Roman Famous Families if not in name at
>
> > least in deed.
>
>
>
> Machiavelli lived in a society that was not feudal. The Italian city-states had similar institutions to ancient Greek ones: they required loyalty to the State to be placed above loyalty to one's family. The evolution toward a system where families and individual rulers were more important never led to a totally feudal system.
>
> The Mafia (Cosa Nostra) was born in places where the feudal system (personal loyalty to one leader - a system with families pledging alliance to one another) persisted right until the industrial revolution.
>
>
>
> This is true of Sicily, but also of Japan or Russia, which makes the relationship quite obvious.
>
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Livia
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, violetphearsen@... wrote:
>
>
> Salvete,
>  
> I took a break from the ML last week and so I missed all the discussion on the fpasquinus case. Now, I have no intention of rehashing anything that was said and I'm not an expert with computers. However, and for what it's worth, I just want to share with all of you what happened to a member of another online group I belong to.
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> This lady lives in Wales and shortly after she had joined our group last year, we received an email from her "husband" informing us that the lady had passed away. We were stunned and mourned her in our forums. Then a week later, the lady, herself, emails our group to tell us she is very much alive and that it was not her husband who had sent us the email announcing her demise.
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> It seems the lady had gone on vacation and while she was gone, her company hired a temporary replacement to do her work. This temporary worker hacked her way into the lady's work computer, got into her emails, found all her passwords to all her accounts and then from the work computer hacked her way into the lady's home computer. She even got into the lady's bank accounts, stole her identity and a great deal of the lady's money, and then disappeared.
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> After months of serious police investigation, but the hacker resurfaced to try and do the same thing to another person on vacation in another company and that was when the police caught her.
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> What we all learned from this was that there are people out there who are vicious hackers and are all too proficient at what they do. They can even manipulate IP's, making it very difficult to trace them. (I have no idea how; this is just what the lady told us.) Very scary stuff!
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> So I think we should take nothing for granted nor at face value. Whoever fpasquinus was, he could be the same fellow as the mysterious "Bill Hawks" who sent me that email with the insults. It is scary to think we have people like that hanging around Nova Roma.
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> Makes me super glad I have Norton. I can't recommend Norton enough to everyone. Norton Rules!
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> Valete bene in pace Deorum,
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> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
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