--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
> Are we sure it is up on the Wiki? The page comes up blank with the caption there is not text. If you go through the NR homepage, it only has the 6th Annual European Conventus
> listed.
>  
> Valete,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:
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>
> From: A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...>
> Subject: Re: Nonfunctional linkRe: [Nova-Roma] Re: ANNOUNCEMENT of CONVENTUS NOVAE ROMAE in North America!
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 1:34 PM
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> Thanks, I asked our webmaster people earlier but didn't get a reply. Pointing out it was the second time was to see if anyone noticed.
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> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@ hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@ hotmail.com>
> Subject: Nonfunctional linkRe: [Nova-Roma] Re: ANNOUNCEMENT of CONVENTUS NOVAE ROMAE in North America!
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 1:33 AM
>
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>
> Salve,
>
> Semprone, unfortunately yahoo disables the last part so you have to copy it and paste it in the browser.
> If you have anymore problems it will be my pleasure to email you the link.
> We might not have the same problem when we go to the new server. I am not sure though because I have little knowledge in this respect.
> Hope I have helped;)
>
> Vale,
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius. regulus@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > And, for a second time, the agenda does not come up after you click on the link.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 7/6/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@ ...> wrote:
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> Yes Caesar put it there - and there should be a link on the first page of the wiki - but so far it is not there and I do not know how to do it. I tried but the link was below where it should be.
>
> Input in the search - I Conventus Novae Romae in North America - and it will take you to the correct link, down the page a bit.
>
> Will someone please make a link on the NR homepage? Thanks.
>
> Vale
> Julia
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> > Are we sure it is up on the Wiki? The page comes up blank with the caption there is not text. If you go through the NR homepage, it only has the 6th Annual European Conventus
> > listed.
> >  
> > Valete,
> > A. Sempronius Regulus
> > --- On Tue, 7/7/09, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@>
> > Subject: Re: Nonfunctional linkRe: [Nova-Roma] Re: ANNOUNCEMENT of CONVENTUS NOVAE ROMAE in North America!
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 1:34 PM
> >
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> > Thanks, I asked our webmaster people earlier but didn't get a reply. Pointing out it was the second time was to see if anyone noticed.
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> > --- On Tue, 7/7/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@ hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@ hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Nonfunctional linkRe: [Nova-Roma] Re: ANNOUNCEMENT of CONVENTUS NOVAE ROMAE in North America!
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 1:33 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > Semprone, unfortunately yahoo disables the last part so you have to copy it and paste it in the browser.
> > If you have anymore problems it will be my pleasure to email you the link.
> > We might not have the same problem when we go to the new server. I am not sure though because I have little knowledge in this respect.
> > Hope I have helped;)
> >
> > Vale,
> > Julia
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius. regulus@ ..> wrote:
> > >
> > > And, for a second time, the agenda does not come up after you click on the link.
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 7/6/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@ ...> wrote:
> >
>

> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: q.valerius.poplicola@...
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 03:18:49 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mercy
>
> If NR is so bad, why in the world are you still here? Be gone then,
> otherwise it seems you are doing nothing but trolling.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...>
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:43 PM
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mercy
>
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher
> > <spqr753@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Salve Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I would have some objections to her returning to Nova Roma as a citizen
> >> as she MAYBE a neo-Nazi or at least seems to keeps their >company.
> >
> > How do I "seem" to be a neo-nazi? How do I keep their company?
> >
> >
> > If she or others can make the case that this is not so then I could be
> > persuaded to have her back.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > No, you got it the wrong way around. I would have to be the one persuaded
> > to come back. Nova Roma is a horrible organization, which is why I left
> > it. You would have to fix the majority of the problems before I would even
> > consider it.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I would not however agree to return her to the Senate. She has, in my
> >> opinion, proven to be to immature for the Senate.
> >>
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Maybe you'd prefer it if I threatened a lawsuit because that is WAY more
> > mature, right? What a load of bull. While I was in the senate I saw the
> > most petty things, no progress, idiotic behaviour, and silly games played
> > by silly people. My 4 yr old is more mature.
> >
> >
> > You couldn't pay me to be in the senate.
> >
> > -Anna
> >
> >
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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Jesse Corradino <woden66@...> wrote:

Quite right.  I think it's fair to say many people who post to this list decry the amount of controversy that is bandied about it.  I cannot see how welcoming back an individual that regards a substantial portion of you as "cancer" and that harbors beliefs inimical to any set of educated people could be an action that furthers the goal of reducing controversy...
 
Anyway, why does everyone have to post about their hatred of Nova Roma and go on about it needing fixing?  It's a really cool group when people post about what they know.  It has a good quality of membership, especially considering its pagan orientation.  Germanic reconstructionist groups, for example, are loaded with idiots and racists mostly, and Wiccan groups often come off as illiterate.  You've all built an almost unique organization in the pagan community here in terms of worthiness, so I think your organization should be celebrated rather than be used to indugle people that have to profess some mindless hatred to seem insightful or air some personal grievance.

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> Quite right. I think it's fair to say many people who post to this list decry the amount of controversy that is bandied about it. I cannot see how welcoming back an individual that regards a substantial portion of you as "cancer" and that harbors beliefs inimical to any set of educated people could be an action that furthers the goal of reducing controversy...
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> Anyway, why does everyone have to post about their hatred of Nova Roma and go on about it needing fixing? It's a really cool group when people post about what they know. It has a good quality of membership, especially considering its pagan orientation. Germanic reconstructionist groups, for example, are loaded with idiots and racists mostly, and Wiccan groups often come off as illiterate. You've all built an almost unique organization in the pagan community here in terms of worthiness, so I think your organization should be celebrated rather than be used to indugle people that have to profess some mindless hatred to seem insightful or air some personal grievance.
>

--- On Tue, 7/7/09, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...> wrote:

> From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Reducing Taxes in 2763
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 5:20 PM
>
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> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus s.p.d.
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> I would like to place something before the Senate and
> People of Nova Roma for their consideration.
>
>
>
> Each year since I have been a citizen, the taxes have
> mostly gone up and, as such, Nova Roma has a very tidy sum
> put away.  However, over the last five years, we have
> also seen a steady drop in our assidui.  I will not go
> into the many reasons for this drop as there are as many
> opinions as there are citizens who are reading this
> list.  One reason that is inescapable is that the
> depressed economy of the world has resulted in economic
> hardship for a great number of people and there is far less
> disposible income to devote to Nova Roma.
>
>
>
> I would like to propose that the Senate of Nova Roma and
> those that are considering running for office next year
> consider slashing the annual tax by about two-thirds for
> 2763.  Yes, you are reading correctly, I propose that
> Nova Roma drop the tax to $5.00 USD (with subsequent
> reductions in all other countries) for the privilege to
> become assidui.
>
>
>
> Now this could be perceived by some as economic suicide
> and some individuals may think, "Aurelianus has
> lost his mind . . . or more so than usual."  But
> let me explain my thinking.
>
>
>
> Nova Roma has enough funds to survive and pay our current
> bills even if there were no new tax paying citizens (for the
> next several years) beyond the few dozen who wish to hold on
> to or gain positions as magistrates, pontiffs, flamen,
> and/or senators.  My own province lost over
> half of our tax-paying citizens during the last seven
> months.  Some of those citizens told me it was
> because of the economy, loss of jobs, or pay. 
> Others told me it was because they did not see that the
> steady increase in taxes had resulted in any benefit,
> material or otherwise, to them as citizens of Nova Roma.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, by dropping the annual tax to only
> $5.00 USD, Nova Roma has a chance to actually increase its
> tax base and offer more citizens the opportunity to become
> involved with running our organization.  By
> increasing the actual number of individuals who are
> administering and counseling our leaders, Nova
> Roma's leadership might gain valuable insights into
> what can be done to turn our organization around and become
> more productive and enjoyable.
>
>
>
> One more point to consider as we approach the first North
> American Conventus, the more members who have a stake in
> Nova Roma by paying taxes at a reduced rate, the greater
> becomes the likelihood that those individuals will also
> want to participate in physical gatherings throughout the
> world.
>
>
>
> Let us discuss this at length in the forum.
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> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus s.p.d.
>
> I would like to place something before the Senate and People of Nova Roma for their consideration.
>
> Each year since I have been a citizen, the taxes have mostly gone up and, as such, Nova Roma has a very tidy sum put away.? However, over the last five years, we have also seen a steady drop in our assidui.? I will not go into the many reasons for this drop as there are as many opinions as there are citizens who are reading this list.? One reason that is inescapable is that the depressed?economy of the world has resulted in economic hardship for a great number of people and there is far less disposible income to devote to Nova Roma.
>
> I would like to propose that the Senate of Nova Roma and those that are considering running for office next year consider slashing the annual tax by about two-thirds for 2763.? Yes, you are reading correctly, I propose that Nova Roma drop the tax to $5.00 USD (with subsequent reductions in all other countries) for the privilege to become assidui.
>
> Now this could be perceived by some as economic suicide and?some individuals may think, "Aurelianus has lost his mind . . . or more so than usual."? But let me explain my thinking.
>
> Nova Roma has enough funds to survive and pay our current bills even if there were no new tax paying citizens (for the next several years) beyond the few dozen who wish to hold on to or gain positions as magistrates, pontiffs, flamen, and/or senators.??My own province?lost over half of our tax-paying citizens during the last seven months.? Some of those citizens told me it was because?of the economy, loss of jobs, or pay.? Others told me it was because they did not see that?the steady increase in taxes had resulted in any benefit, material or otherwise, to them as citizens of Nova Roma.
>
> On the other hand, by dropping the annual tax?to only $5.00 USD, Nova Roma has a chance to actually increase its tax base and offer more citizens the opportunity to become involved with running?our organization.? By increasing the actual number of individuals who are administering and counseling our leaders,?Nova Roma's leadership might gain?valuable insights into what can be done to turn our organization around and become more productive and enjoyable.
>
> One more point to consider as we approach the first North American Conventus, the more members who have a stake in Nova Roma by paying taxes at a reduced rate, the greater becomes the likelihood that those individuals?will also want to participate in physical gatherings throughout the world.
>
> Let us discuss this at length in the forum.
>
> Valete.??
>

>
>
> In a message dated 7/7/2009 2:35:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> woden66@... writes:
>
> For example, the poster Marcus Horatius (sorry can't remember exactly how
> it is spelt) is the reason I keep this list around. Everyday he produces
> something rich and informative, both from an academic point of view as well
> as a pagan one. Maybe expanding on the work he does and collating it
> somehow into body of work accesible to modern paganism could be one project
> that NR sets its great minds to. I'm honestly surprised by the fact that with
> all the information floating around here and the commitment its members
> show to historical accuracy that something to this effect hasn't been done.
> NR is a corporation after all, why not issue something like a text book to
> enrichen itself? A lot of collective effort could go into a project like
> this to provide purpose to one facet of NR.
>
>
>
>
> Actually the late L. Sinicus Drusus and Iulius Sacarus started this
> tradition. Equitius Cato continued it, and Marcus Moravius has picked up where
> Equitius left off.
>
> You are correct. We have enough academicians here to issue a book much
> like the Adkins.
> However, we also have the problem of who is going to be the general editor,
> publishing rights et al.
>
> And to top it off, there are too many unreliable people here to make it
> viable.
>
> Mission statement: Yes it is too general. When I arrived in '98 I
> pointed this out to the Founders who immediately ignored me. Like most
> historians, I wanted to concentrate on an area and develop that.
>
> If you set out to build a North American P-51d Mustang there are only
> certain parts you can use, you cannot throw different aircraft parts on the
> bird, and call it a P-51d. So it is with Nova Roma. You cannot cherry pick
> 2000 years of Roman History and call it Nova Roma and expect it to function.
>
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
> Q. Fabius Maximus
> **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals.
> (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003)
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> L. Livia Plauta Fl. Galerio Aureliano S.P.D.
>
> Aureliane, unfortunately I think the main reason why there aren't more assisui is that people don't get too much in return for their membership fee. Actually they get nothing, except the eligibility to work a lot for free and expose themselves to all sort of attacks, including lawsuits.
>
> The current tax level is already very low. If someone cannot pay 15 dollars, very probably they won't be able to afford to pay for any personal meeting either.
>
> The number of assidui is declining only very slightly. According to the website in 2758 we had 245 assidui, in 2760 235, in 2760 230, and currently 210 (the other data refer to the end of the year, and I trust that we will get at least another 20 assidui this year).
>
> Apparently there has always been a high turnover in NR, and frankly I'm not surprised, considering all the bickering that's going on, and the little amount of actual work.
>
> With the continuous circus organized by Sulla, Cato, Caesar and others this year, it's a miracle that there are still people sticking around.
>
> The JSTOR access, when implemented, will probably bring a great breakthrough, as finally people will be getting something for their money.
>
> Personally I don't think lowering taxes would bring an increase in assidui. Anyway you can always make a survey among the citizens of your province, asking them if they would pay $ 5.
> Let me know the result.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus s.p.d.
> >
> > I would like to place something before the Senate and People of Nova Roma for their consideration.
> >
> > Each year since I have been a citizen, the taxes have mostly gone up and, as such, Nova Roma has a very tidy sum put away.? However, over the last five years, we have also seen a steady drop in our assidui.? I will not go into the many reasons for this drop as there are as many opinions as there are citizens who are reading this list.? One reason that is inescapable is that the depressed?economy of the world has resulted in economic hardship for a great number of people and there is far less disposible income to devote to Nova Roma.
> >
> > I would like to propose that the Senate of Nova Roma and those that are considering running for office next year consider slashing the annual tax by about two-thirds for 2763.? Yes, you are reading correctly, I propose that Nova Roma drop the tax to $5.00 USD (with subsequent reductions in all other countries) for the privilege to become assidui.
> >
> > Now this could be perceived by some as economic suicide and?some individuals may think, "Aurelianus has lost his mind . . . or more so than usual."? But let me explain my thinking.
> >
> > Nova Roma has enough funds to survive and pay our current bills even if there were no new tax paying citizens (for the next several years) beyond the few dozen who wish to hold on to or gain positions as magistrates, pontiffs, flamen, and/or senators.??My own province?lost over half of our tax-paying citizens during the last seven months.? Some of those citizens told me it was because?of the economy, loss of jobs, or pay.? Others told me it was because they did not see that?the steady increase in taxes had resulted in any benefit, material or otherwise, to them as citizens of Nova Roma.
> >
> > On the other hand, by dropping the annual tax?to only $5.00 USD, Nova Roma has a chance to actually increase its tax base and offer more citizens the opportunity to become involved with running?our organization.? By increasing the actual number of individuals who are administering and counseling our leaders,?Nova Roma's leadership might gain?valuable insights into what can be done to turn our organization around and become more productive and enjoyable.
> >
> > One more point to consider as we approach the first North American Conventus, the more members who have a stake in Nova Roma by paying taxes at a reduced rate, the greater becomes the likelihood that those individuals?will also want to participate in physical gatherings throughout the world.
> >
> > Let us discuss this at length in the forum.
> >
> > Valete.??
> >
>

>
>
> Ah but there would be no circus if people followed the rules.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:29 PM, aerdensrw <aerdensrw@...> wrote:

Salvete omnes--

I am a member of a website called AllPoetry.com, in which members write poetry and host or compete in contests held by themselves or other members. I decided to host a poetry contest there in honor of the Ludi Apollinares. As expected it's a rather esoteric topi, and mot many people seem familiar with it--or maybe they're just polishing up potential entries.

So far, I have received only one entry--which is written in Latin! If any of you write poetry and would like to enter the contest, please feel free to join AllPoetry if you are not a member. Otherwise, I invite you all to come and read the entries from AP members.

Here is the link: http://allpoetry.com/contest/2452665

This is not ment to conflict with any activity that the praetor urbanus or aediles might hold; it's strictly an AllPoetry event, but I wanted to let folks know about it.

Valete in pace Deorum

Paulla Corva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Paulla et Omnes,
>
>
> You know it's been a while since I've been to allpoetry.com, I do wonder if
> they still have any of my old work up there....I will try to sit down
> tonight and see if my muse will co-operate with me, to see what we can come
> up with...If the reception is good, I'll also post it here on the
> MainList... It's been a while since I've presented anything on this stage
> :-)..
>
>
> Vale Bene,
> Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Avete Omnes;
>
> While I am a Germanic Heathen, I am in Nova Roma to honor my maternal heritage.
>
> This is a simple writ, in honor of Apollo I composed about 8 years ago.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM, aerdensrw <aerdensrw@...> wrote:

Aeternia--Oooh! Please do! Can I bribe your Muse with chocolate? :)

Truly, I would loveto see work by people who actually know what the Ludi Apollinares is and why it was held.

Paulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Paulla et Omnes,
>
>
> You know it's been a while since I've been to allpoetry.com, I do wonder if
> they still have any of my old work up there....I will try to sit down
> tonight and see if my muse will co-operate with me, to see what we can come
> up with...If the reception is good, I'll also post it here on the
> MainList... It's been a while since I've presented anything on this stage
> :-)..
>
>
> Vale Bene,
> Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jesse Corradino <woden66@...> wrote:

I also find it interesting since Germanic heathens have such an unusual preoccupation with race; I'm curious to see if they're encouraging people to practice every form of paganism that may correspond with what they know about their grandparent's national origins.
>
>

>
> " While I am a Germanic Heathen, I am in Nova Roma to honor my maternal
> heritage."
>
>
>
> If I presume your mother's heritage is Italian, then do you belong to Nova
> Roma because you think modern Italians are direct descendants of Romans?
> Starting with the Gothic kingdoms and the Langobardic territories after
> the fall of the western empire on up through modern times, it would seem
> that after considering how many different cultures have influenced Italian
> history that to assume Romans are Italians would be incorrect, at least in
> the sense that you seem to mean with respect to genetics.
>
>
>
> I'm curious if this is what you meant because I've always wondered if
> there's any actual academic material to back up the notion that modern
> Italians are the heirs of Rome. From what I've read this idea was put
> forward by an Italian poet (who's fairly famous and I should know of if I
> knew anything about poetry.) I also find it interesting since Germanic
> heathens have such an unusual preoccupation with race; I'm curious to see
> if they're encouraging people to practice every form of paganism that may
> correspond with what they know about their grandparent's national origins.
>
>
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> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: famila.ulleria.venii@...
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:05:26 -0500
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Heritage, was Re: An Honoring of Apollo
>
> Ave Jesse:
>
> My maternal heritage is, indeed, modern, mainland Italian, which is
> made up of the descendants of Romans, Greeks, Etruscans, Latins,
> Sabines, Marsicans, Umbrians, proto-Europeans, Lombards, Goths, Celts
> and others...in the areas where I know my family to have been
> engendered.
>
> So, in part, I do think I have ancestors who would have been Roman.
> My maternal grandfather's family name is D'Orazio, which would be
> O'Horace to my Irish forebears ,-)
>
> Etymological analysis and family lore suggests that the D'Orazios are
> descended from a plebian branch of Gens Horatii. So yes, I do claim
> descent from Roma Antiqua, at least through folks who were citizens
> thereof; being born, living and dying upon the Italian peninsula.
>
> This my ancestry. There is also some suggestion that I do have
> northern African heritage in my distant (on the scale of one man's
> lifetime) past, as well as Iberian and "Byzantine."
>
> On my dad's side, if we go back to the Migration Period coincident
> with the Republic and Principiate, I am of Celtic (Gaelic and
> Gaullic), Germanic, Nordic, Baltic and Slavic heritage.
>
> My grandmother Robinson (nee Burke) said I could have been my great
> grandfather Robinson's brother, he was born in Lithuania: German,
> Lithuanian, Belarusian and Cossack are said to be his heritage.
>
> And that is part of what has come to make me, me.
>
> Within that, in a spiritual and mystical sense, the Holy Powers known
> to my Northern Forebears speak in my heart the loudest, so it is to
> them I have plighted my troth. Those of my Mediterranean Ancestors
> are also within me and it is my obligation to respect them, too. I
> have had glimpses of Others within me, but none has sought attention
> in any meaningful way.
>
> As Asatru has no central authority save one's own heart and mind, it
> would be hard to say that anyone tells anyone else to do anything, in
> any absolute way.
>
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jesse Corradino <woden66@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the kind response, but I have to say in spite of it being polite I find some of what you're saying a bit incredible. For example, being aware of your geneology during the migration period. Geneologists are not able to solidly establish more than a couple noble bloodlines that reach that far back into past. Now unless you're a Windsor or a Savoy, like I said, I have to doubt you know whether you were celtic in that time period.
>
>
>
> As for the litany of peoples who have lived on the Italian pennisula, I feel this only proves I am correct about Asatruar being obsessed with race and really nothing that science is so far unable to establish. Without reliable geneological evidence-and this does not include etymologies, a kind of inquiry into the past that only Edred Thorsson takes as being coeval with physical evidence-it's impossible to say reliably where one's family was a thousand years ago.
>
>
>
> Just a cavaet about where I'm coming from so don't seem entirely hostile. When I was younger I was a member of the Runegild and the Ring of Troth, so I'm at least somewhat familiar with their lore over the past fifteen years of my life (I started being a pagan rather young :P.) One of the reasons I got away from it was because of what I perceived as a pernicious current of racism within probably every organization besides the Troth, and even there it was only not overtly racist because of the way they would frame their racism (I am quoting when I say they feel African Americans are welcome in their religion, but should "seek their own gods.") Looking at religion in olden times doesn't bear out this notion that one's religion was related to a modern conception of national origin, so the only way I could understand why these reconstructionist groups were reconstructing modern racism as a part of their tradition was because they were racists before they were pagans.
>
>
>
> So this is why I had to ask why you seem to have an unusual concern for knowing every scrap of soil your family may have ever lived upon. I used to play that game myself a lot and in the end it only made me feel like shit. So I'm not judging you, just feel a little bad.
>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > From: famila.ulleria.venii@...
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:05:26 -0500
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Heritage, was Re: An Honoring of Apollo
> >
> > Ave Jesse:
> >
> > My maternal heritage is, indeed, modern, mainland Italian, which is
> > made up of the descendants of Romans, Greeks, Etruscans, Latins,
> > Sabines, Marsicans, Umbrians, proto-Europeans, Lombards, Goths, Celts
> > and others...in the areas where I know my family to have been
> > engendered.
> >
> > So, in part, I do think I have ancestors who would have been Roman.
> > My maternal grandfather's family name is D'Orazio, which would be
> > O'Horace to my Irish forebears ,-)
> >
> > Etymological analysis and family lore suggests that the D'Orazios are
> > descended from a plebian branch of Gens Horatii. So yes, I do claim
> > descent from Roma Antiqua, at least through folks who were citizens
> > thereof; being born, living and dying upon the Italian peninsula.
> >
> > This my ancestry. There is also some suggestion that I do have
> > northern African heritage in my distant (on the scale of one man's
> > lifetime) past, as well as Iberian and "Byzantine."
> >
> > On my dad's side, if we go back to the Migration Period coincident
> > with the Republic and Principiate, I am of Celtic (Gaelic and
> > Gaullic), Germanic, Nordic, Baltic and Slavic heritage.
> >
> > My grandmother Robinson (nee Burke) said I could have been my great
> > grandfather Robinson's brother, he was born in Lithuania: German,
> > Lithuanian, Belarusian and Cossack are said to be his heritage.
> >
> > And that is part of what has come to make me, me.
> >
> > Within that, in a spiritual and mystical sense, the Holy Powers known
> > to my Northern Forebears speak in my heart the loudest, so it is to
> > them I have plighted my troth. Those of my Mediterranean Ancestors
> > are also within me and it is my obligation to respect them, too. I
> > have had glimpses of Others within me, but none has sought attention
> > in any meaningful way.
> >
> > As Asatru has no central authority save one's own heart and mind, it
> > would be hard to say that anyone tells anyone else to do anything, in
> > any absolute way.
> >
> > =====================================
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> > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> > Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
> >
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Good morning Anna;
>
> Thank you for your defense, but as you'll see I wrote my reply to Jesse.
>
> I saw his post more as a critique and request for further explanation.
>
> be well - Pip
>
> PS: I did not renew with the Troth, choosing instead to concentrate
> my efforts with the AFA and here.
>

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 3:44 PM, C. Maria Caeca wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> While I find this discussion on heritage extremely interesting, I must admit
> that I have a bit of a problem relating to it in the same way that others
> here seem to do. [excision]

Venator: Not everyone will be fascinated by or want to engage in the
"My Heritage Is..." exercise. That, too, is human nature and a worth
while way of being.

Me, it is a cause of great wonder that so many different families were
able to come together and become, me.

Some I know had only harm from their families and thusly excised them
from their lives completely.

To borrow one of my own phrases, most are somewhere in between.

Besides, without the genealogical research and desire to know who I am
through who my forebears were, I never would have gotten in contact
with my 1st cousin, once removed, June Foray. You might know her as
the voice of Rocky the Flying Squirrel, amongst many other characters.

> As to me ... well ... if Roma Antiqua existed, I have no doubt I'd find my
> way there, and, though Foreign (most likely Gaulish of some sort) barbarian
> that I may be, would happily spend the rest of my life becoming, in heart,
> word and deed, thoroughly Roman, whatever the Romans thought of me.
>
> Valete Bene,
> C. Maria Caeca
>

I should like to think that we all agree that Roma Antiqua was, most
definitely a place real and vibrant.

Romanitas, a word with such a mystique, and so meaningful. I am
certain that you would have been a good Roman, and I consider you a
good Nova Roman.

Hopefully, we can, all of us, truly build a place of the Virtues;
Civic and Private.

So, did you have an opinion on the writ of honoring I sent, before the
thread spun off on a tangent ?-) How about the new poem?

Vale - Venator

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Potitus wrote:
>
> Salvete, omnes.
>
> In honor of Apollo and his lyre, I’d like to direct your attention to this
> wonderful rendition of the oldest complete composition, the Song of
> Seikilos.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyXPpf7Vjo&feature=related
>
> Hail to the God of the Lyre.
>
> Potitus
>

That IS, hugely, lovely. Thank you for the link.

Vale - Venator

>
> Salve Pototus,
>
> That was absolutely beautiful, thanks for posting this for our pleasure!
>
> Maria Caeca
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve;
> and here is the first Delphic Hymn to Apollo
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MMI06AnhtM
> come Muse and inspire me...
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Maior,
>
> I like this - have this in my youtube cue. The same musician has some very interesting videos.
>
> I like this also even though the poor guy who posted it took a beating in the comments:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I0EgfFsJMk
>
> And I happen to like this but Classical Music is a favorite of mine, so while it is the Carmen Saeculare by Horace it is not music of an ancient age, François-André Danican Philidor composed this in the 1780's but Apollo would be pleased.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9SEMyxlx1g
>
> Hail Apollo!
>
> Vale optime,
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve;
> > and here is the first Delphic Hymn to Apollo
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MMI06AnhtM
> > come Muse and inspire me...
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Moore" <astrobear@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete, omnes.
>
>
>
> In honor of Apollo and his lyre, I'd like to direct your attention to this
> wonderful rendition of the oldest complete composition, the Song of
> Seikilos.
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyXPpf7Vjo
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyXPpf7Vjo&feature=related>
> &feature=related
>
>
>
> Hail to the God of the Lyre.
>
>
>
> Potitus
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> So, in part, I do think I have ancestors who would have been Roman.
> My maternal grandfather's family name is D'Orazio, which would be
> O'Horace to my Irish forebears ,-)
>

No O'Horace. Bisnonna Domenica was an Orazio, although Livia seems to think she was more likely a D'Orazio, as that name is more common in Abruzzio. I agree that if our families' name did in anyway extend back to the Horatii most likely they were freedmen of the Horatii. And thus who knows what they may have been. We share a common name in our not too distant generations, but not necessarily related as our lines may have extended from different D'Orazio's.

My Orazio line emigrated through Canada; my father was born in Milwauki and lived in Chicago for a while. So they were up in your area - although, from Wisconson they went to southern Colorado before returning to the Chicago area and eventually settling down in Cleveland.

Nonna Maria Iasci Luciano always called me a half-breed, when she was being nice. Otherwise she'd call me disgraziato campugiane before siccing her dogs on me. She believed I had the mal'occh' - the power to cast the evil eye, at least on her. Moreso, she just didn't like my father. The reason for the half-breed nonsense was that I am three-quaters Abruzzese and one quarter Roman, as in modern Roma, the Reali or Monreale family (depending on what family story is true) supposedly had three estates around Rome, one being in the area of Ferrentino, Lazio, and another around Napoli (thus the campugiane). And the family's dark secret is that a few generations back someone, a Monreale, (Di prohibibant!) married a Sicilian princess! (Whatever that's suppose to mean). No Irish, in fact the family wasn't too pleased when I married a girl of Swedish and German descent.

Vale optime
M. Moravius Horatianus

>
> Salve consobrine Venator
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@> wrote:
> >
> > So, in part, I do think I have ancestors who would have been Roman.
> > My maternal grandfather's family name is D'Orazio, which would be
> > O'Horace to my Irish forebears ,-)
> >
>
> No O'Horace. Bisnonna Domenica was an Orazio, although Livia seems to think she was more likely a D'Orazio, as that name is more common in Abruzzio. I agree that if our families' name did in anyway extend back to the Horatii most likely they were freedmen of the Horatii. And thus who knows what they may have been. We share a common name in our not too distant generations, but not necessarily related as our lines may have extended from different D'Orazio's.
>
> My Orazio line emigrated through Canada; my father was born in Milwauki and lived in Chicago for a while. So they were up in your area - although, from Wisconson they went to southern Colorado before returning to the Chicago area and eventually settling down in Cleveland.
>
> Nonna Maria Iasci Luciano always called me a half-breed, when she was being nice. Otherwise she'd call me disgraziato campugiane before siccing her dogs on me. She believed I had the mal'occh' - the power to cast the evil eye, at least on her. Moreso, she just didn't like my father. The reason for the half-breed nonsense was that I am three-quaters Abruzzese and one quarter Roman, as in modern Roma, the Reali or Monreale family (depending on what family story is true) supposedly had three estates around Rome, one being in the area of Ferrentino, Lazio, and another around Napoli (thus the campugiane). And the family's dark secret is that a few generations back someone, a Monreale, (Di prohibibant!) married a Sicilian princess! (Whatever that's suppose to mean). No Irish, in fact the family wasn't too pleased when I married a girl of Swedish and German descent.
>
> Vale optime
> M. Moravius Horatianus
>

>
> Salvete omnes--
>
> I am a member of a website called AllPoetry.com, in which members write poetry and host or compete in contests held by themselves or other members. I decided to host a poetry contest there in honor of the Ludi Apollinares. As expected it's a rather esoteric topi, and mot many people seem familiar with it--or maybe they're just polishing up potential entries.
>
> So far, I have received only one entry--which is written in Latin! If any of you write poetry and would like to enter the contest, please feel free to join AllPoetry if you are not a member. Otherwise, I invite you all to come and read the entries from AP members.
>
> Here is the link: http://allpoetry.com/contest/2452665
>
> This is not ment to conflict with any activity that the praetor urbanus or aediles might hold; it's strictly an AllPoetry event, but I wanted to let folks know about it.
>
> Valete in pace Deorum
>
> Paulla Corva
>

>
> P. Corva Gaudialis omnibus s.p.d.
>
> In the past, I've come up with several notions as to why we are so fractious here on the main list and how such problems might be resolved. Here's my latest bit of mulling things over.
>
> The sockpuppet thing caught my attention, and what I observed about it gave me an idea. I think we could ease some of our problems if we handled matters in Nova Roma the way we do in our professional work lives.
>
> For example--At my workplace, if I suspected a fellow employee--even one higher-ranking than I--of malfeasance of some sort, I would _not_ send an email to every single employee at the job-site, announcing that the Field Director is sending out communications under an assumed name, and here's my proof.
>
> I would instead go to that person's superior, send the superior a private email discussing the problem and providing him and perhaps the Internal Affairs people with a copy of my evidence, and await a response.
>
> In the workplace, such behavior is considered professionalism. Here in Nova Roma, it is, as far as I can see, regarded as being secretive and hiding things from the people.
>
> Well, either we can be secretive and hide things from the people, or we can have constant uproar that accomplishes nothing and sours people's emotions toward Nova Roma.
>
> I can tell you that, if I posted an email to everyone in my workplace that my Big Boss was doing something underhanded, my immediate supervisor would haul me into her office and give me a well-deserved chewing-out. The plummeting of morale at my job-site would, I think, precisely match what we have in Nova Roma, at times.
>
> We like to preserve the illusion that this list is the Roman forum and that we are people milling about in it, free to speak our minds at will, no matter the consequences to ourselves or to others. But that's wrong. We're a religious and historical study organization with a hierarchy, rules, and an expected standard of behavior. We have a chain of command, but we don't adhere to it--mainly because there are few personal consequences to not adhering to it. We won't lose our livelihoods if we start a flame-war on the NR main list.
>
> If we want to be regarded well by ourselves and others, we have got to start acting like professionals, here. This is not the Roman forum; this is a group with a goal. But we will never achieve that goal if we continue acting as if nothing matters but our own grievances.
>
> I hope I've said something worth thinking about, here. If not, carry on.
>

>
> Well, you are on the other side. So of course to you its "propaganda."
> To us its not following the rules.
>
> Look the public elected these people. Don't they have the right to know
> what exactly they are
> up to? How they are breaking rules, and thumbing the nose at the people.
>
> The story was not planned to be broken on the main list, but because the
> government heads were involved it had to be.
>
> If it wasn't I assure you you'd never hear of it.
>
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> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: livia.plauta@...
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:55:07 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: D'Orazio [was Heritage]
>
> Salvete Piscine et Venator,
> I don't want to cool your enthusiasm, but very probably the name D'Orazio just means that in the Middle Ages (when family names started to be used) one of your ancestors had a father whose first name was Orazio. Exactly the same genesis as "O'Horace", as Venator says.
>
> In the dark ages of the early Middle Age the use of family names had totally disappeared, except for the very few noble families, so it's next to impossible to relate directy to Roman nomina.
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
> >
> > Salve consobrine Venator
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So, in part, I do think I have ancestors who would have been Roman.
> > > My maternal grandfather's family name is D'Orazio, which would be
> > > O'Horace to my Irish forebears ,-)
> > >
> >
> > No O'Horace. Bisnonna Domenica was an Orazio, although Livia seems to think she was more likely a D'Orazio, as that name is more common in Abruzzio. I agree that if our families' name did in anyway extend back to the Horatii most likely they were freedmen of the Horatii. And thus who knows what they may have been. We share a common name in our not too distant generations, but not necessarily related as our lines may have extended from different D'Orazio's.
> >
> > My Orazio line emigrated through Canada; my father was born in Milwauki and lived in Chicago for a while. So they were up in your area - although, from Wisconson they went to southern Colorado before returning to the Chicago area and eventually settling down in Cleveland.
> >
> > Nonna Maria Iasci Luciano always called me a half-breed, when she was being nice. Otherwise she'd call me disgraziato campugiane before siccing her dogs on me. She believed I had the mal'occh' - the power to cast the evil eye, at least on her. Moreso, she just didn't like my father. The reason for the half-breed nonsense was that I am three-quaters Abruzzese and one quarter Roman, as in modern Roma, the Reali or Monreale family (depending on what family story is true) supposedly had three estates around Rome, one being in the area of Ferrentino, Lazio, and another around Napoli (thus the campugiane). And the family's dark secret is that a few generations back someone, a Monreale, (Di prohibibant!) married a Sicilian princess! (Whatever that's suppose to mean). No Irish, in fact the family wasn't too pleased when I married a girl of Swedish and German descent.
> >
> > Vale optime
> > M. Moravius Horatianus
> >
>
>
>
>
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> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: livia.plauta@...
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:36:11 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Thoughts about the Main List
>
> L. Livia Plauta P. Corvae Gaudiali S.P.D.
>
> I totally agree with you.
> Could you post this every week? Then maybe we could counteract all the destructive propaganda with something constructive.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
> >
> > P. Corva Gaudialis omnibus s.p.d.
> >
> > In the past, I've come up with several notions as to why we are so fractious here on the main list and how such problems might be resolved. Here's my latest bit of mulling things over.
> >
> > The sockpuppet thing caught my attention, and what I observed about it gave me an idea. I think we could ease some of our problems if we handled matters in Nova Roma the way we do in our professional work lives.
> >
> > For example--At my workplace, if I suspected a fellow employee--even one higher-ranking than I--of malfeasance of some sort, I would _not_ send an email to every single employee at the job-site, announcing that the Field Director is sending out communications under an assumed name, and here's my proof.
> >
> > I would instead go to that person's superior, send the superior a private email discussing the problem and providing him and perhaps the Internal Affairs people with a copy of my evidence, and await a response.
> >
> > In the workplace, such behavior is considered professionalism. Here in Nova Roma, it is, as far as I can see, regarded as being secretive and hiding things from the people.
> >
> > Well, either we can be secretive and hide things from the people, or we can have constant uproar that accomplishes nothing and sours people's emotions toward Nova Roma.
> >
> > I can tell you that, if I posted an email to everyone in my workplace that my Big Boss was doing something underhanded, my immediate supervisor would haul me into her office and give me a well-deserved chewing-out. The plummeting of morale at my job-site would, I think, precisely match what we have in Nova Roma, at times.
> >
> > We like to preserve the illusion that this list is the Roman forum and that we are people milling about in it, free to speak our minds at will, no matter the consequences to ourselves or to others. But that's wrong. We're a religious and historical study organization with a hierarchy, rules, and an expected standard of behavior. We have a chain of command, but we don't adhere to it--mainly because there are few personal consequences to not adhering to it. We won't lose our livelihoods if we start a flame-war on the NR main list.
> >
> > If we want to be regarded well by ourselves and others, we have got to start acting like professionals, here. This is not the Roman forum; this is a group with a goal. But we will never achieve that goal if we continue acting as if nothing matters but our own grievances.
> >
> > I hope I've said something worth thinking about, here. If not, carry on.
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> Salve Livia
>
> The reason we can trace some of our ancestors to the middle ages is because
> THEY were
> not common people but royalty.
>
> Millions of  people, including me are descendent from numerous people from
> the middle ages. Among my ancestors are Alfred the Great ,Charlemagne, Henry
> II and Eleanor of Aquitaine,  Saint (Queen) Margaret of Scotland.  William
> the Conquer, the winner of the battle of Hastings is my 28th
> GreatGrandfather and King Harold II the loser of the battle of Hastings is
> my  28th Great Grand Uncle. King John, who was forced to sign Magna Charta
> is my 24th GGF and William De Mowbray one of the barons who forced him to
> sign is likewise
> a 24th GGF.
>
> Vale
>
> Paulinus
>
> ________________________________
> To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: woden66@...
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:43:27 -0400
> Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: D'Orazio [was Heritage]
>
>
>
> This is why I find it incredible when common people claim to be able to
> trace their ancestory back into the dark ages.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Charlie Collins <oldroman@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> After my Mom passed away years ago I got hold of the family history of
> the Maternal side of her family. The earliest it goes back to is a
> Robert d'Ouille, a Count of the Holy Roman Empire. As temporary
> Emperor for Charlemagne, he signed the Treaty of Verdun in 843 A.D for
> the separation of Gaul and Germany. The d'Ouille name changed over
> time to D'Oyley, Doyle, and Dial finally here in the States. The book
> is really interesting. The family history book is 255 pages long.
>
> Vale,
> Quintus Servilius Priscus
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Timothy or Stephen
> Gallagher<spqr753@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Salve Livia
> >
> > The reason we can trace some of our ancestors to the middle ages is because
> > THEY were
> > not common people but royalty.
> >
> > Millions of  people, including me are descendent from numerous people from
> > the middle ages. Among my ancestors are Alfred the Great ,Charlemagne, Henry
> > II and Eleanor of Aquitaine,  Saint (Queen) Margaret of Scotland.  William
> > the Conquer, the winner of the battle of Hastings is my 28th
> > GreatGrandfather and King Harold II the loser of the battle of Hastings is
> > my  28th Great Grand Uncle. King John, who was forced to sign Magna Charta
> > is my 24th GGF and William De Mowbray one of the barons who forced him to
> > sign is likewise
> > a 24th GGF.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Paulinus
> >
> > ________________________________
> > To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
> > From: woden66@...
> > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:43:27 -0400
> > Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: D'Orazio [was Heritage]
> >
> >
> >
> > This is why I find it incredible when common people claim to be able to
> > trace their ancestory back into the dark ages.
>

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 12:57 AM, livia_plauta <livia.plauta@...> wrote:

L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.

Since yesterday there have been eight new earthquakes in the region of L'Aquila in Abruzzo, the strongest one of magnitudo 4,1.

A lot of people are still living in tents, and the bad weather makes matters worse.

I'm really sorry to hear this - it's the last thing they need. I was in tears when I watched the original footage on the news.  I've already donated both money and goods to be auctioned but I've done this through the Falcon's rugby team as, though I'm really sad to say it, I no longer trust Nova Roma at all

Flavia Lucilla Merula

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:32 AM, aerdensrw <aerdensrw@...> wrote:

For example--At my workplace, if I suspected a fellow employee--even one higher-ranking than I--of malfeasance of some sort, I would _not_ send an email to every single employee at the job-site, announcing that the Field Director is sending out communications under an assumed name, and here's my proof.

I would instead go to that person's superior, send the superior a private email discussing the problem and providing him and perhaps the Internal Affairs people with a copy of my evidence, and await a response.

I fully agree that in the workplace that would be correct behaviour. However there is a massive, massive difference between a work colleague and an elected member of the government. Here in the UK I'm sure a lot of our MPs wish their expenses fiasco hadn't been made public in every newspaper but just quietly discussed with them. However, that's not how it works nor should it be.

There is such a thing as accountability. If, as I keep getting told on list, the people elect the consuls, censors etc, then said consuls and censors are accountable for their actions to the people. i find it incomprehensible to suggest that a matter as serious as this should never have been made public but just quietly reported to friends and colleagues. As you say there are expected standards of behaviour but why hold the people to higher standards than the consul?

Flavia Lucilla Merula

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From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of marcushoratius
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:16 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] a. d. VI Eidus Quinctiliae: Battle of the Lesnika River

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Curate ut valeatis, et Di vos servent.

Hodie est ante diem VI Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies comitialis est: Ludi Apollini; deis imperii Antonini Pii; Prodromi flare incipiunt.

Day five of the ludi Apollinares celebrated with races in the Circus Maximus.

AUC 447 / 306 BCE: The Fabii set off on a private war with the Veientines.

"From that time there was neither peace nor war with the Veientines, whose methods closely resembled those of brigands. They retired before the Roman legions into their city; then when they found that they were withdrawn they made inroads on the fields, evading war by keeping quiet, and then making quiet impossible by war. So the business could neither be dropped nor completed. Wars were threatening in other quarters also; some seemed imminent as in the case of the Aequi and Volscians, who were only keeping quiet till the effect of their recent defeat should pass away, whilst it was evident that the Sabines, perpetual enemies of Rome, and the whole of Etruria would soon be in motion. But the Veientines, a persistent rather than a formidable foe, created more irritation than alarm because it was never safe to neglect them or to turn the attention elsewhere. Under these circumstances the Fabii came to the senate, and the consul, on behalf of his house, spoke as follows: 'As you are aware, senators, the Veientine war does not require a large force so much as one constantly in the field. Let the other wars be your care, leave the Fabii to deal with the Veientines. We will guarantee that the majesty of Rome shall be safe in that quarter. We propose to carry on that war as a private war of our own at our own cost. Let the State be spared money and men there.' A very hearty vote of thanks was passed; the consul left the House and returned home accompanied by the Fabii, who had been standing in the vestibule awaiting the senate's decision. After receiving instructions to meet on the morrow, fully armed, before the consul's house, they separated for their homes." ~ Titus Livius 2.48

AUC 705 / 48 BCE: Battle of the Lesnikia River

In the Civil War Caesar and Pompeius found their maneuvers place them in a unique position south of Dyrrhachium. Caesar, with the smaller force, had pinned Pompeius on the Adriatic coast and cut off from his base of supplies at Dyrrhachium. Pompeius was forced to throw up an arc of earthworks. Caesar countered with his own arc of trenches and breast works with twenty-four redoubts. The arc itself stretched five miles, while Caesar's earthworks to contain it amounted to seventeen miles (B. C. 3.44). Although it would seem that Caesar had trapped Pompeius, it was Caesar who was in the more difficult position. The naval forces of Pompeius had cut Caesar off from his own base of supplies. His shortage of cavalry made foraging the region around the camps difficult. Add to this was a shortage of supplies as the forces of Pompeius had already cleared the region for war supplies, which they stored at Dyrrhachium. Pompeius was also able to receive some supplies by way of the sea. With his numerically superior force, Pompeius began probing Caesar's line.

"Thus six engagements having happened in one day, three at Dyrrachium, and three at the fortifications, when a computation was made of the number of slain, we found that about two thousand fell on Pompey's side, several of them volunteer veterans and centurions. Among them was Valerius, the son of Lucius Flaccus, who as praetor had formerly had the government of Asia, and six military standards were taken. Of our men, not more than twenty were missing in all the action. But in the fort, not a single soldier escaped without a wound; and in one cohort, four centurions lost their eyes. And being desirous to produce testimony of the fatigue they under went, and the danger they sustained, they counted to Caesar about thirty thousand arrows which had been thrown into the fort; and in the shield of the centurion Scaeva, which was brought to him, were found two hundred and thirty holes. In reward for this man's services, both to himself and the public, Caesar presented to him two hundred thousand pieces of copper money, and declared him promoted from the eighth to the first centurion. For it appeared that the fort had been in a great measure saved by his exertions; and he afterward very amply rewarded the cohorts with double pay, corn, clothing, and other military honors." ~ C. Iulius Caesar, Commentarius de Bello Civili, 3. 53

Thinking that Pompeius might use his ships to land a force behind his lines near the coast, Caesar erected a second wall with trenches, facing outward. On the night of 9 July Pompeius sent a small force to land between Caesar's two trenchlines, and a larger force south of Caesar's circumvallation. By dawn they then came upon Caesar's defenders. Marcellinus commanded Legio IX for Caesar in a fortified camp roughly two miles from the seashore.

"At this place, fronting the enemy, there was a ditch fifteen feet wide, and a rampart ten feet high, and the top of the rampart was ten feet in breadth. At an interval of six hundred feet from that there was another rampart turned the contrary way, with the works lower. For some days before, Caesar, apprehending that our men might be surrounded by sea, had made a double rampart there, that if he should be attacked on both sides, he might have the means of defending himself. But the extent of the lines, and the incessant labor for so many days, because he had enclosed a circuit of seventeen miles with his works, did not allow time to finish them. Therefore the transverse rampart which should make a communication between the other two, was not yet completed. This circumstance was known to Pompeius, being told to him by the Allobrogian deserters, and proved of great disadvantage to us. For when our cohorts of the ninth legion were on guard by the sea-side, Pompeius' army arrived suddenly by break of day, and their approach was a surprise to our men, and at the same time, the soldiers that came by sea, cast their darts on the front rampart; and the ditches were filled with fascines: and the legionary soldiers terrified those that defended the inner rampart, by applying the scaling ladders, and by engines and weapons of all sorts, and a vast multitude of archers poured round upon them from every side. Besides, the coverings of oziers, which they had laid over their helmets, were a great security to them against the blows of stones which were the only weapons that our soldiers had. And therefore, when our men were oppressed in every manner, and were scarcely able to make resistance, the defect in our works was observed, and Pompey's soldiers, landing between the two ramparts, where the work was unfinished, attacked our men in the rear, and having beat them from both sides of the fortification, obliged them to flee.

"Marcellinus, being informed of this disorder, detached some cohorts to the relief of our men, who seeing them flee from the camp, were neither able to persuade them to rally at their approach, nor themselves to sustain the enemy's charge. And in like manner, whatever additional assistance was sent, was infected by the fears of the defeated, and increased the terror and danger. For retreat was prevented by the multitude of the fugitives. In that battle, when the eagle-bearer was dangerously wounded, and began to grow weak, having got sight of our horse, he said to them, 'This eagle have I defended with the greatest care for many years, at the hazard of my life, and now in my last moments restore it to Caesar with the same fidelity. Do not, I enjoin you, suffer a dishonor to be sustained in the field, which never before happened to Caesar's army, but deliver it safe into his hands.' By this accident the eagle was preserved, but all the centurions of the first cohorts were killed, except the principal.

"And now the Pompeians, after great havoc of our troops, were approaching Marcellinus' s camp, and had struck no small terror into the rest of the cohorts, when Marcus Antonius, who commanded the nearest fort, being informed of what had happened, was observed descending from the rising ground with twelve cohorts. His arrival checked the Pompeians, and encouraged our men to recover from their extreme affright. And shortly after, Caesar having got notice by the smoke of all the forts, which was the usual signal on such occasions, drafted off some cohorts from the outposts, and went to the scene of action. And having there learned the loss he had sustained, and perceiving that Pompeius had forced our works, and had encamped along the coast, so that he was at liberty to forage, and had a communication with his shipping, he altered his plan for conducting the war, as his design had not succeeded, and ordered a strong encampment to be made near Pompeius." ~ Gaius Julius Caesar, Commentarius de Bello Civili 3.63-65

The engagement forced Caesar to withdraw, with Pompeius following him, eventually forcing Caesar to make his stand at a place called Pharsalus.

AUC 823 / 70 CE: Titus puts the Second Temple of Jerusalem to the torch.

"AND now two of the legions had completed their banks on the eighth day of the month [Ab]. Whereupon Titus gave orders that the battering rams should be brought, and set over against the western edifice of the inner temple; for before these were brought, the firmest of all the other engines had battered the wall for six days together without ceasing, without making any impression upon it; but the vast largeness and strong connection of the stones were superior to that engine, and to the other battering rams also. Other Romans did indeed undermine the foundations of the northern gate, and after a world of pains removed the outermost stones, yet was the gate still upheld by the inner stones, and stood still unhurt; till the workmen, despairing of all such attempts by engines and crows, brought their ladders to the cloisters. Now the Jews did not interrupt them in so doing; but when they were gotten up, they fell upon them, and fought with them; some of them they thrust down, and threw them backwards headlong; others of them they met and slew; they also beat many of those that went down the ladders again, and slew them with their swords before they could bring their shields to protect them; nay, some of the ladders they threw down from above when they were full of armed men; a great slaughter was made of the Jews also at the same time, while those that bare the ensigns fought hard for them, as deeming it a terrible thing, and what would tend to their great shame, if they permitted them to be stolen away. Yet did the Jews at length get possession of these engines, and destroyed those that had gone up the ladders, while the rest were so intimidated by what those suffered who were slain, that they retired; although none of the Romans died without having done good service before his death. Of the seditious, those that had fought bravely in the former battles did the like now, as besides them did Eleazar, the brother's son of Simon the tyrant. But when Titus perceived that his endeavors to spare a foreign temple turned to the damage of his soldiers, and then be killed, he gave order to set the gates on fire. …And now the soldiers had already put fire to the gates, and the silver that was over them quickly carried the flames to the wood that was within it, whence it spread itself all on the sudden, and caught hold on the cloisters. Upon the Jews seeing this fire all about them, their spirits sunk together with their bodies, and they were under such astonishment, that not one of them made any haste, either to defend himself or to quench the fire, but they stood as mute spectators of it only. However, they did not so grieve at the loss of what was now burning, as to grow wiser thereby for the time to come; but as though the holy house itself had been on fire already, they whetted their passions against the Romans. This fire prevailed during that day and the next also; for the soldiers were not able to burn all the cloisters that were round about together at one time, but only by pieces." ~ Flavius Josephus, The Jewish War 6.4.1-2

AUC 891 / 138 CE: Death of Emperor Hadrianus; ascension of Antoninus Pius as Emperor.

"With such care did he govern all peoples under him that he looked after all things and all men as if they were his own. As a result, the provinces all prospered in his reign. [Unlike Hadrian] he did not undertake any expedition other than the visiting of his own estates in Campania, averring that the entourage of an emperor, even of one overly frugal, was a burdensome thing to the provinces." ~ Scriptores Historiae Augustae, Antoninus Pius 7.1 and 11

"On the sixth day before the Ides of July, for the ascension of divus Antonius Pius, to divus Antonius Pius an ox." ~ fasti Duronis Europae

Today's thought is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 1012:

"One who follows reason in all things combines tranquility with initiative; a cheerful spark with collected composure."

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>
> Ave Jesse:
>
> My maternal heritage is, indeed, modern, mainland Italian, which is
> made up of the descendants of Romans, Greeks, Etruscans, Latins,
> Sabines, Marsicans, Umbrians, proto-Europeans, Lombards, Goths, Celts
> and others...in the areas where I know my family to have been
> engendered.
>
> So, in part, I do think I have ancestors who would have been Roman.
> My maternal grandfather's family name is D'Orazio, which would be
> O'Horace to my Irish forebears ,-)
>
> Etymological analysis and family lore suggests that the D'Orazios are
> descended from a plebian branch of Gens Horatii. So yes, I do claim
> descent from Roma Antiqua, at least through folks who were citizens
> thereof; being born, living and dying upon the Italian peninsula.
>
> This my ancestry. There is also some suggestion that I do have
> northern African heritage in my distant (on the scale of one man's
> lifetime) past, as well as Iberian and "Byzantine."
>
> On my dad's side, if we go back to the Migration Period coincident
> with the Republic and Principiate, I am of Celtic (Gaelic and
> Gaullic), Germanic, Nordic, Baltic and Slavic heritage.
>
> My grandmother Robinson (nee Burke) said I could have been my great
> grandfather Robinson's brother, he was born in Lithuania: German,
> Lithuanian, Belarusian and Cossack are said to be his heritage.
>
> And that is part of what has come to make me, me.
>
> Within that, in a spiritual and mystical sense, the Holy Powers known
> to my Northern Forebears speak in my heart the loudest, so it is to
> them I have plighted my troth. Those of my Mediterranean Ancestors
> are also within me and it is my obligation to respect them, too. I
> have had glimpses of Others within me, but none has sought attention
> in any meaningful way.
>
> As Asatru has no central authority save one's own heart and mind, it
> would be hard to say that anyone tells anyone else to do anything, in
> any absolute way.
>
> =====================================
> In amicitia et fide
> Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
>
> Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta
> wherein he is known as
> Stefn Ullarsson Piperskeggr
>

Salvete

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Charlie Collins <oldroman@...> wrote:

> From: Charlie Collins <oldroman@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Heritage
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 12:49 AM
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> After my Mom passed away years ago I got hold of the family
> history of
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> the Maternal side of her family. The earliest it goes back
> to is a
>
> Robert d'Ouille, a Count of the Holy Roman Empire. As
> temporary
>
> Emperor for Charlemagne, he signed the Treaty of Verdun in
> 843 A.D for
>
> the separation of Gaul and Germany. The d'Ouille name
> changed over
>
> time to D'Oyley, Doyle, and Dial finally here in the
> States. The book
>
> is really interesting. The family history book is 255 pages
> long.
>
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>
> Vale,
>
> Quintus Servilius Priscus
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>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Timothy or Stephen
>
> Gallagher<spqr753@msn.
> com> wrote:
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> > Salve Livia
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> > The reason we can trace some of our ancestors to the
> middle ages is because
>
> > THEY were
>
> > not common people but royalty.
>
> >
>
> > Millions of  people, including me are
> descendent from numerous people from
>
> > the middle ages. Among my ancestors are Alfred the
> Great ,Charlemagne, Henry
>
> > II and Eleanor of Aquitaine,  Saint (Queen) Margaret
> of Scotland.  William
>
> > the Conquer, the winner of the battle of Hastings is
> my 28th
>
> > GreatGrandfather and King Harold II the loser of the
> battle of Hastings is
>
> > my  28th Great Grand Uncle. King John, who was
> forced to sign Magna Charta
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> > is my 24th GGF and William De Mowbray one of the
> barons who forced him to
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> > sign is likewise
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> > a 24th GGF.
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> >
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> > Vale
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> >
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> > Paulinus
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> >
>
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> > To: nova-roma@yahoogrou
> ps.com
>
> > From: woden66@hotmail.
> com
>
> > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:43:27 -0400
>
> > Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: D'Orazio [was
> Heritage]
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> > This is why I find it incredible when common people
> claim to be able to
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> > trace their ancestory back into the dark ages.
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