A. Tullia Scholastica M. Cornelio Gualtero Graeco L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    I have changed the title once again as we are no longer dealing with Conventus, though I think you ought to attend, Gualtere.  I might like to hear how things are at 1050 E 59th, ZIP 60637.  
 

Salve Livia,

While Greek has a larger role for aspect than Latin, your statement is not accurate. Classical Greek relates aspect most directly with the imperfect and perfect tenses (contrary to Latin, where the perfect is the simple preterite). This changes somewhat in Koine Greek where the perfect becomes simply an alternative for the simple preterite.

Anyway, compare the Foundalis charts for LUW (mod. LUNW) with http://humanities.uchicago.edu/depts/classics/People/Faculty/helmadik/luw.pdf . Notice that the classical chart does NOT include the future perfect, which does exist but is not common. If you want a complete sense of the classical Greek system, then check out http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~ancgreek/paradigmsU/paradigmtables4BOM.html .

    ATS:  These are quite interesting and helpful...but are you trying to scare people with the likes of bouleuw and lyw?  ;-)))  We want them to study this exquisite language, not run away in terror.  [It’s not as bad as it looks, o prospective students].  

    O Livia, classical Greek does not have a conditional mode:  where the heck did that come from?  French?  Adding a whole mood is simplification?  Adding separate progressive forms?  Adding a reduced form of hina to the subjunctive to form (of all things) the infinitive?  Infinitives are nice; every language should have them.  If Greek keeps adding auxiliaries, it might resemble German one of these days.  

    

Vale,

Gualterus

Vale, et valete.  

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Gualtere,
> aorist was always an aspect rather than a tense. Modern Greek extended this aspectual system, on the example of slavic languages.
> You can find a good description of the greek verb system here: http://www.foundalis.com/lan/grkverbs.htm
> Keep in mind that what Foundalis calls "strawberry flavour", is called "aoristos" in modern Greek grammar.
> Have a lokk and tell me if you still think it's "simplified". Somewhere in the links on Foundalis page you can find the link to a complete declination of all Greek verbs. It takes several pages.
>
> Vale,
> Livia
>
>
> >
> > Salve Livia,
> >
> > I'm not really sure what you mean. The aorist is itself a tense, basically a simple preterite, and in classical Greek appears in every mood and voice (defective verbs aside). As a further distinction, there is the so-called first and second aorist (also called the weak and strong)--most verbs usually have one or other, but some have both and a few of these make semantic distinctions between the first and second aorist (e.g. the notorious verb ISTHMI). Can you please explain what you mean by a future aorist? Maybe offer an example? Maybe you're thinking of a future perfect? Classical Greek has that, but it's not common.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Gualterus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Gualtere,
> > >
> > > It added an aoristos for each verbal tense and mood. Call it the way you
> > > want: there was only one aoristos in ancient Greek. Now you get one in the
> > > future, in the imperative, subjunctive, etc. That almost doubles the number
> > > of tenses. I'm glad Italian wasn't "simplified" the way Greek was, or we'd
> > > still be writing in Latin and pronouncing it in Italian.
> > > Vale,
> > > Livia
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Salve Livia,
> > > >
> > > > Modern Greek lost the middle voice and the optative mood, and afaik it
> > > > didn't add any tenses. So, I'd say it was simplified.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Gualterus
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>  <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salvete,
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm glad someone agrees with me! Greek is a beautiful language and
> > > > really makes Latin seem simple. My advice for a long time has been to learn
> > > > Greek first and then Latin, and then you will appreciate Latin all the more!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I totally agree. In high school I liked Greek better, even if I had
> > > > better marks in Latin. I just felt Latin wasn't enough of a challenge.
> > > > > Unfortunately my learning abilities are not the same now as they were
> > > > when I was 15, but a few years ago, when learning modern Greek, I was
> > > > pleased to see that the language didn't get simplified one bit. True, the
> > > > genitive got assimilated to the dative, but they added some more verb tenses
> > > > to compensate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Valete,
> > > > > Livia
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://s9.gladiatus.com/game/c.php?uid=99735
> > >
> >
>

  
    

Maior Catoni spd;

CATO: That you agree with your own definition of "Flaminica" is not surprising, even in the face of the classical definition.

MAIOR: if you had read the CP list you'd know that the flaminate is an ancient couples priesthood of flamen-flaminica. You would know what the current scholars such as Nicole Boels-Janssen, Celia E. Schulz, Sarolta Tackacs have to say and the documenting epigraphy. And you could check the sources, all the page numbers and footnotes are posted. That you get your information from Smith's 1875 dictionary is:
absurd and lazy

CATO: I question making our entire religious foundation reliant on something that we cannot even define - and it was in the Senate, not on the Religio List.

MAIOR: Who are you to question the religio's foundation? You are not even a practitioner.

the PM Piscinus told you the religio is organic, that's how we do things, like Indian religion. You can't define it but everyone knows what it is. He also told you we don't define ourselves in books like your cultus privatus. Yet you ignore the PM, what the cultores practice and wish to force your values onto us.
Insulting and disrespectful

> > , and the responsibilities we have as senators, Marca Hortensia. We are not rubber stamps.

MAIOR: I've learned that you refuse to educate yourself about the cultus deorum, and you refuse to listen to the Pontifex Maximus when he explains to you. And you don't care what the people want.


CATO: And if it is true that "no person of sense wants to have a discussion with you", why are you discussing this with me?

MAIOR: I want the people to know of your vast contempt for the Religio and Nova Roma's religious officials.

1.) how you obstruct religious reform in the Senate at every step.

2.) how you poison our atmosphere of warmth and tolerance and liberal syncretism with your narrow-minded bigotry.

Now I've made my point and thankfully I can leave this discussion and ready myself to assist at rituals for the Conventus.
M. Hortensia Maior

>
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > M. Hortensia Equito Catoni sd;
> > I posted this section of the Constitution in the Senate today :
> > "Senators, and citizens need not be practitioners of the Religio Romana, but may not engage in any activity that intentionally blasphemes or defames the Gods, the Religio Romana, or its practitioners."
> > You who talk about the law, Cato violate this provision constantly
> >
> > Now for examples: the current Senate session:
> > We had to vote on an amendment to the Consitution involving the CP. The CP asked for these changes and the people voted for them. You made a giant tiresome dispute with the PM over tiny things like the term 'flaminica.'
> >
> > When I told you the discussion was in full at the CP list, you said you hadn't joined it [Senators can observe and are encouraged to do so] And had no interest in the discussions there.
> >
> > Or at the relgio list, when you disputed the use of the term 'traditional'. You argue with the PM Piscinus, with me with Modianus and cannot even be bothered to know what you are arguing about.
> >
> > That's dismissive, rude and contemptuous.
> >
> > The fact that you don't practice the religio yet vote against the reforms that we and the people want and voted for is pretty good evidence of your total disrespect.
> >
> > Oh yeah putting the word "official" in quotes is contemptuous, so is making fun of Modianus, pontifex and augur for being a Gnostic Christian and a syncretist.
> >
> > Well Nova Roma is syncretic. And we like it that way
> >
> > That's just this session of the Senate. It was exhausting and frankly you have won the reputation, you so richly deserve; that no person of sense wants to have a discussion with you.
> >
> > M. Hortensia Maior
>

Cato Marcae Hortensiae sal.

Salve.

You wrote (in part):

"Who are you to question the religio's foundation? You are not even a practitioner."

I am a senator of this Respublica, Marca Hortensia. It is my obligation, my duty, and my privilege to question these things, since they do not affect only practitioners, but the whole Respublica. If you do not understand what I am saying, I will say it again: I have no interest in *defining* the religio, as that is best left to those who practice it. I am against strapping an undefined phrase into our legally-binding Constitution, and altering the foundational legal document of the Respublica with unnecessary and indeterminate phraseology.

I force nothing on anyone; I am uncomfortable with an undefined and useless terminology being forced upon the whole Respublica.


You wrote:

"I've learned that you refuse to educate yourself about the cultus deorum, and you refuse to listen to the Pontifex Maximus when he explains to you. And you don't care what the people want."

And just exactly from whom have you "learned" this? In what way? I disagree with the Pontifex Maximus, yes, and I have explained clearly and succinctly why in the Senate. Your answer - that we should all assume that the Pontifex Maximus is infallible because...well, he's the Pontifex Maximus - is indescribably puerile. And to bow unquestioning to some authority is most certainly *not* a Roman characteristic. It is the duty of the Senate to question, to discuss, to weigh the value of what is presented to us for the benefit of the whole Respublica.

You need to learn what the responsibilities of a senator are.


You wrote:

"I want the people to know of your vast contempt for the Religio and Nova Roma's religious officials."

Disagreement, questioning - these are your definitions of "contempt"? You need to get a dictionary. I have contempt for certain persons, yet this cannot possibly be construed as contempt for the religio.

Atmosphere of "warmth and tolerance"? From you? You are kidding, right? Do you want published here a string of quotations from your own mouth, spewing idiocy and bile regarding my private cultus? You've given us some delightfully inane gems of intolerance, bigotry, and ignorance over the years.

Vale,

Cato

Salve Maior,

Well, as you probably saw my exchange with Regulus about Mithraism a few months back (I don't remember if it was on the ML or religio list), I don't at all buy into Roman Mithraism having origins in or strong connexions to the Persian cult, and even if it did, the relevant language there would be middle Persian.

I'm also very much skeptical of any Indo-Aryan connexions with the religio. Why should distant populations whose languages are remotely genetically related also share cultural content across millennia? So, in the end, Sanskrit is pretty irrelevant for anything I do.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Gualtero Sempronio Scholasticae spd;
> Semproni no no; it's Maya, the world as blissful play of Shakti;-)!
>
> Gualtere, why are you so averse to Sanskrit? I studied it a bit when I had the flu some years ago and it was fine; complex and fine:) But as we've been discussing Indo-Aryan religion is the deep origin of the religio and frankly as Sempronius Regulus indicated the Western Mithras cult.
> So I don't see how you'd want to do without it. Especially for Mithras.
> optime vale
> Maior
>
> - In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@> wrote:
> >
> > Sanskrit, then all seems a blissful dream.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@>
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:29 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus, sociis,
> >
> > > > ATS: I am not surprised that this is a bit frightening. Greek is a
> > > > beautiful and rich language, whose grammar and vocabulary make Latin look like
> > > > a piece of cake.
> >
> > I'm glad someone agrees with me! Greek is a beautiful language and really makes Latin seem simple. My advice for a long time has been to learn Greek first and then Latin, and then you will appreciate Latin all the more!
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Gualterus
> >
>

Salvete Scholastica, Livia,

Perhaps I will attend next year, but this year I am traveling to Brazil Aug 10, and jumping from the conventus to that flight would give me very little time. Moreover, I didn't budget the $$ for it since I didn't know about early enough.

As for mod. Greek, it really has some wild simplifications. No kidding about losing real infinitive forms! And what happened to most of the participial forms? So it has only a present and past participle... sounds like it's taking moves from the Latin playbook, and an abridged one at that. Also, it seems the mood system has been severely truncated; certainly the optative is gone, but it seems the subjunctive forms are gone as well! Everything has been assimilated into the indicative forms with a particle slapped on top.

Valete,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica M. Cornelio Gualtero Graeco L. Liviae Plautae
> > quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> > I have changed the title once again as we are no longer dealing with
> > Conventus, though I think you ought to attend, Gualtere. I might like to hear
> > how things are at 1050 E 59th, ZIP 60637.
> >
> >
> > Salve Livia,
> >
> > While Greek has a larger role for aspect than Latin, your statement is not
> > accurate. Classical Greek relates aspect most directly with the imperfect and
> > perfect tenses (contrary to Latin, where the perfect is the simple preterite).
> > This changes somewhat in Koine Greek where the perfect becomes simply an
> > alternative for the simple preterite.
> >
> > Anyway, compare the Foundalis charts for LUW (mod. LUNW) with
> > http://humanities.uchicago.edu/depts/classics/People/Faculty/helmadik/luw.pdf
> > . Notice that the classical chart does NOT include the future perfect, which
> > does exist but is not common. If you want a complete sense of the classical
> > Greek system, then check out
> > http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~ancgreek/paradigmsU/paradigmtables4BOM.html .
> >
> > ATS: These are quite interesting and helpful...but are you trying to
> > scare people with the likes of bouleuw and lyw? ;-))) We want them to study
> > this exquisite language, not run away in terror. [It¹s not as bad as it
> > looks, o prospective students].
> >
> > O Livia, classical Greek does not have a conditional mode: where the heck
> > did that come from? French? Adding a whole mood is simplification? Adding
> > separate progressive forms? Adding a reduced form of hina to the subjunctive
> > to form (of all things) the infinitive? Infinitives are nice; every language
> > should have them. If Greek keeps adding auxiliaries, it might resemble German
> > one of these days.
> >
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Gualterus
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Salve Gualtere,
> >> > aorist was always an aspect rather than a tense. Modern Greek extended this
> >> aspectual system, on the example of slavic languages.
> >> > You can find a good description of the greek verb system here:
> >> http://www.foundalis.com/lan/grkverbs.htm
> >> > Keep in mind that what Foundalis calls "strawberry flavour", is called
> >> "aoristos" in modern Greek grammar.
> >> > Have a lokk and tell me if you still think it's "simplified". Somewhere in
> >> the links on Foundalis page you can find the link to a complete declination
> >> of all Greek verbs. It takes several pages.
> >> >
> >> > Vale,
> >> > Livia
> >> >
> >> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Salve Livia,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I'm not really sure what you mean. The aorist is itself a tense,
> >>> basically a simple preterite, and in classical Greek appears in every mood
> >>> and voice (defective verbs aside). As a further distinction, there is the
> >>> so-called first and second aorist (also called the weak and strong)--most
> >>> verbs usually have one or other, but some have both and a few of these make
> >>> semantic distinctions between the first and second aorist (e.g. the
> >>> notorious verb ISTHMI). Can you please explain what you mean by a future
> >>> aorist? Maybe offer an example? Maybe you're thinking of a future perfect?
> >>> Classical Greek has that, but it's not common.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Vale,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Gualterus
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> >>> "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Salve Gualtere,
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > It added an aoristos for each verbal tense and mood. Call it the way
> you
> >>>> > > > want: there was only one aoristos in ancient Greek. Now you get one
> >>>> in the
> >>>> > > > future, in the imperative, subjunctive, etc. That almost doubles the
> >>>> number
> >>>> > > > of tenses. I'm glad Italian wasn't "simplified" the way Greek was, or
> we'd
> >>>> > > > still be writing in Latin and pronouncing it in Italian.
> >>>> > > > Vale,
> >>>> > > > Livia
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@>wrote:
> >>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > >
> >>>>> > > > >
> >>>>> > > > > Salve Livia,
> >>>>> > > > >
> >>>>> > > > > Modern Greek lost the middle voice and the optative mood, and
> >>>>> afaik it
> >>>>> > > > > didn't add any tenses. So, I'd say it was simplified.
> >>>>> > > > >
> >>>>> > > > > Vale,
> >>>>> > > > >
> >>>>> > > > > Gualterus
> >>>>> > > > >
> >>>>> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> >>>>> > > > > "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
> >>>>>> > > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > > > Salvete,
> >>>>>> > > > > >
> >>>>>>> > > > > > >
> >>>>>>> > > > > > > I'm glad someone agrees with me! Greek is a beautiful
> >>>>>>> language and
> >>>>> > > > > really makes Latin seem simple. My advice for a long time has been
> >>>>> to learn
> >>>>> > > > > Greek first and then Latin, and then you will appreciate Latin all
> >>>>> the more!
> >>>>>>> > > > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > > > I totally agree. In high school I liked Greek better, even if I
> had
> >>>>> > > > > better marks in Latin. I just felt Latin wasn't enough of a
> >>>>> challenge.
> >>>>>> > > > > > Unfortunately my learning abilities are not the same now as
> they were
> >>>>> > > > > when I was 15, but a few years ago, when learning modern Greek, I
> was
> >>>>> > > > > pleased to see that the language didn't get simplified one bit.
> >>>>> True, the
> >>>>> > > > > genitive got assimilated to the dative, but they added some more
> >>>>> verb tenses
> >>>>> > > > > to compensate.
> >>>>>> > > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > > > Valete,
> >>>>>> > > > > > Livia
> >>>>>> > > > > >
> >>>>> > > > >
> >>>>> > > > >
> >>>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > --
> >>>> > > > http://s9.gladiatus.com/game/c.php?uid=99735
> >>>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

> From: Gaius Equitius Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order!
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 12:57 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Cato Marcae Hortensiae sal.
>
>
>
> Salve.
>
>
>
> You wrote (in part):
>
>
>
> "Who are you to question the religio's foundation?
> You are not even a practitioner. "
>
>
>
> I am a senator of this Respublica, Marca Hortensia. It is
> my obligation, my duty, and my privilege to question these
> things, since they do not affect only practitioners, but the
> whole Respublica. If you do not understand what I am
> saying, I will say it again: I have no interest in
> *defining* the religio, as that is best left to those who
> practice it. I am against strapping an undefined phrase
> into our legally-binding Constitution, and altering the
> foundational legal document of the Respublica with
> unnecessary and indeterminate phraseology.
>
>
>
> I force nothing on anyone; I am uncomfortable with an
> undefined and useless terminology being forced upon the
> whole Respublica.
>
>
>
> You wrote:
>
>
>
> "I've learned that you refuse to educate yourself
> about the cultus deorum, and you refuse to listen to the
> Pontifex Maximus when he explains to you. And you don't
> care what the people want."
>
>
>
> And just exactly from whom have you "learned"
> this? In what way? I disagree with the Pontifex Maximus,
> yes, and I have explained clearly and succinctly why in the
> Senate. Your answer - that we should all assume that the
> Pontifex Maximus is infallible because...well, he's the
> Pontifex Maximus - is indescribably puerile. And to bow
> unquestioning to some authority is most certainly *not* a
> Roman characteristic. It is the duty of the Senate to
> question, to discuss, to weigh the value of what is
> presented to us for the benefit of the whole Respublica.
>
>
>
> You need to learn what the responsibilities of a senator
> are.
>
>
>
> You wrote:
>
>
>
> "I want the people to know of your vast contempt for
> the Religio and Nova Roma's religious officials."
>
>
>
> Disagreement, questioning - these are your definitions of
> "contempt"? You need to get a dictionary. I have
> contempt for certain persons, yet this cannot possibly be
> construed as contempt for the religio.
>
>
>
> Atmosphere of "warmth and tolerance"? From you?
> You are kidding, right? Do you want published here a string
> of quotations from your own mouth, spewing idiocy and bile
> regarding my private cultus? You've given us some
> delightfully inane gems of intolerance, bigotry, and
> ignorance over the years.
>
>
>
> Vale,
>
>
>
> Cato
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...> wrote:

>
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:38 AM, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > most of us know nothing of IT or modes and methods that IT systems might
> > or might not be infiltrated.
> >
> > But what we do know is that the highest courts in this land accept the IP
> address as the one incontrovertible proof of origin of any email or web
> activity.
>
> Flavia Lucilla Merula
>

Agricola Merulae sal.

But that is only with extensive documentation that is obtained under court order from the service provider that connects from end point to end point.

For example, I am posting from my office at the university where I teach. Every connection from here looks to be coming from a single IP address. To connect this message to my computer here you would have to get logs from the IT department, and they will not do that without a court order. That would get you to my office, but behind my firewall I run several networks, including a wireless one. To complicate matters, there are several open wireless networks around too, and I could connect through those.

I'm not saying that what you said is wrong, but I am saying that it is not as simple as it looks.

vale

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Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Sempronio Regulo salutem dicit

Ack... now I'm sad!  I'm currently taking a course, "Radical Reformation", studying medieval heresy and all sorts of fun things like witchcraft, astrology, combined with radical heretical movements (Cathars, Bogomils, et al) and the Inquisition.  I cannot skip because it is a summer intensive; otherwise, I'd make a serious effort to get there.  Next year we there needs to be more notice.

Of course... give me an opportunity to make a road trip to Nashville some other time I'd be interested in taking you up on that.

Vale;

Modianus

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 9:40 PM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:

 

Then get your sorry ass down here! How does it look that a Roman magistrate has a tight lease and is not even married yet! Damn, man, you are soooooo taken. Be a good gnostic and put off the demiurgic world (marriage stuff)!   I have a very nice Process philosophy and Gnostic library. Hmmm, demiurgic urges and so totally taken urges, hmmm VS illumination. As the great Roman gnostic said, "a demiurgic sucker is born every minute." He is known as Wide, Cosmic, Fields.

Lets see, a large collection of Boehme, some stuff on Valentin Weigel and Andreas and Rosicrucianism, Porete (a female mystic -- student of Eckhart and burned at the stake), the hermetic and alchemical sources -- along with Valentianian gnostic Christianity -- as the framing source, along with Boehme, for Hege's philosophy, tempt, tempt, tempt..... --- On Mon, 7/27/09, David Kling <tau.athanasios@gmail..com> wrote: From: David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nashville Conventus To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 1:04 PM   Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Sempronio Regulo salutem dicit Ack... now I'm sad!  I'm currently taking a course, "Radical Reformation", studying medieval heresy and all sorts of fun things like witchcraft, astrology, combined with radical heretical movements (Cathars, Bogomils, et al) and the Inquisition.  I cannot skip because it is a summer intensive; otherwise, I'd make a serious effort to get there.  Next year we there needs to be more notice. Of course... give me an opportunity to make a road trip to Nashville some other time I'd be interested in taking you up on that. Vale; Modianus On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 9:40 PM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius. regulus@yahoo. com> wrote:   Then get your sorry ass down here! How does it look that a Roman magistrate has a tight lease and is not even married yet! Damn, man, you are soooooo taken. Be a good gnostic and put off the demiurgic world (marriage stuff)!   I have a very nice Process philosophy and Gnostic library. Hmmm, demiurgic urges and so totally taken urges, hmmm VS illumination. As the great Roman gnostic said, "a demiurgic sucker is born every minute." He is known as Wide, Cosmic, Fields.

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem VI Kalendas Sextilis; haec dies comitialis est.

"So they [the plebeians] formed a compact to lend aid to one another
in case any one of them should be wronged in any particular; and they
took oaths to this effect and forthwith elected from their own number
two representatives — and afterward still more — in order that each
class might have a helper and avenger. And this they did not once
only, but the idea now conceived in this form kept growing, and they
appointed their representative for a year, as to some office.

The men were called in the tongue of the Latins tribuni — the same name that was given to the commanders of a thousand — but were styled demarchoi [leaders of the people] in the Greek language. In order, however, to distinguish between the titles of the tribunes, they added in the one case the phrase "of the soldiers," and in the other the phrase "of the people." Now these tribunes of the people (or demarchoi) became responsible for great evils that befell Rome. For though they did not immediately secure the title of magistrates, they gained power beyond all others, defending every one who begged protection and rescuing every one who called upon them not only from private individuals, but from the very magistrates, except the dictators. If any one ever invoked them when absent, he, too, was released from the person holding him prisoner and was either brought before the populace by them or was set free. And if ever they saw fit that anything should not be done, they prevented it, whether the person acting were a private citizen or a magistrate; and if the populace or the senate was about to do or to vote anything and a single tribune opposed it, the action or the vote became null and void. As time went on, they were allowed, or allowed themselves, to summon the senate, to punish anybody who disobeyed them, to practise divination, and to hold court. And in the case of anything that was unlawful for them to do, they gained their point by their incontestable opposition to every project undertaken by others. For they introduced laws to the effect that whoever should obstruct them by deed or word, be he private citizen or magistrate, should be "devoted" and under a curse. This being "devoted" meant destruction; for this was the term applied to everything that was consecrated, like a victim, for slaughter.

The tribunes themselves were termed by the multitude sacrosanct, since
they served as sacred walls, so to speak, for the shelter of such as
invoked them; for sacra among the Romans means "walls," and sancta
"sacred." Many of their actions were unwarrantable, for they threw
even consuls into prison and put men to death without granting them a
hearing. Nobody ventured to oppose them; or, in case anyone did, he
himself became "devoted." If, however, persons were not condemned by
all the tribunes, they would call to their help those who had not
concurred in the verdict, and so were given a regular trial before the
tribunes themselves or before a jury or before the populace, and were
subject to the deciding vote. In the course of time the number of the
tribunes was fixed at ten, and as a result of this most of their power
was overthrown." - Cassius Dio, "The Roman Histories" IV.15

Valete bene!

Cato

C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,

> I am a senator of this Respublica, Marca Hortensia.

Quomodo id fieri potuit?

Vale.
C. Petronius Dexter

"I am a senator of this Respublica"

Cato and Sulla are Senatores and may the Gods forgive us for the shame they have brought upon our Respublica and thus on the Eternal Ones !

Titus Flavius Aquila

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Marcae Hortensiae sal.
>
> Salve.
>
> You wrote (in part):
>
> "Who are you to question the religio's foundation? You are not even a practitioner."
>
> I am a senator of this Respublica, Marca Hortensia. It is my obligation, my duty, and my privilege to question these things, since they do not affect only practitioners, but the whole Respublica. If you do not understand what I am saying, I will say it again: I have no interest in *defining* the religio, as that is best left to those who practice it. I am against strapping an undefined phrase into our legally-binding Constitution, and altering the foundational legal document of the Respublica with unnecessary and indeterminate phraseology.
>
> I force nothing on anyone; I am uncomfortable with an undefined and useless terminology being forced upon the whole Respublica.
>
>
> You wrote:
>
> "I've learned that you refuse to educate yourself about the cultus deorum, and you refuse to listen to the Pontifex Maximus when he explains to you. And you don't care what the people want."
>
> And just exactly from whom have you "learned" this? In what way? I disagree with the Pontifex Maximus, yes, and I have explained clearly and succinctly why in the Senate. Your answer - that we should all assume that the Pontifex Maximus is infallible because...well, he's the Pontifex Maximus - is indescribably puerile. And to bow unquestioning to some authority is most certainly *not* a Roman characteristic. It is the duty of the Senate to question, to discuss, to weigh the value of what is presented to us for the benefit of the whole Respublica.
>
> You need to learn what the responsibilities of a senator are.
>
>
> You wrote:
>
> "I want the people to know of your vast contempt for the Religio and Nova Roma's religious officials."
>
> Disagreement, questioning - these are your definitions of "contempt"? You need to get a dictionary. I have contempt for certain persons, yet this cannot possibly be construed as contempt for the religio.
>
> Atmosphere of "warmth and tolerance"? From you? You are kidding, right? Do you want published here a string of quotations from your own mouth, spewing idiocy and bile regarding my private cultus? You've given us some delightfully inane gems of intolerance, bigotry, and ignorance over the years.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

Big words for someone who has never even been considered for a Senate seat.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:02 PM, titus.aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:

 

"I am a senator of this Respublica"

Cato and Sulla are Senatores and may the Gods forgive us for the shame they have brought upon our Respublica and thus on the Eternal Ones !

Titus Flavius Aquila

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Marcae Hortensiae sal.
>
> Salve.
>
> You wrote (in part):
>
> "Who are you to question the religio's foundation? You are not even a practitioner."
>
> I am a senator of this Respublica, Marca Hortensia. It is my obligation, my duty, and my privilege to question these things, since they do not affect only practitioners, but the whole Respublica. If you do not understand what I am saying, I will say it again: I have no interest in *defining* the religio, as that is best left to those who practice it. I am against strapping an undefined phrase into our legally-binding Constitution, and altering the foundational legal document of the Respublica with unnecessary and indeterminate phraseology.
>
> I force nothing on anyone; I am uncomfortable with an undefined and useless terminology being forced upon the whole Respublica.
>
>
> You wrote:
>
> "I've learned that you refuse to educate yourself about the cultus deorum, and you refuse to listen to the Pontifex Maximus when he explains to you. And you don't care what the people want."
>
> And just exactly from whom have you "learned" this? In what way? I disagree with the Pontifex Maximus, yes, and I have explained clearly and succinctly why in the Senate. Your answer - that we should all assume that the Pontifex Maximus is infallible because...well, he's the Pontifex Maximus - is indescribably puerile. And to bow unquestioning to some authority is most certainly *not* a Roman characteristic. It is the duty of the Senate to question, to discuss, to weigh the value of what is presented to us for the benefit of the whole Respublica.
>
> You need to learn what the responsibilities of a senator are.
>
>
> You wrote:
>
> "I want the people to know of your vast contempt for the Religio and Nova Roma's religious officials."
>
> Disagreement, questioning - these are your definitions of "contempt"? You need to get a dictionary. I have contempt for certain persons, yet this cannot possibly be construed as contempt for the religio.
>
> Atmosphere of "warmth and tolerance"? From you? You are kidding, right? Do you want published here a string of quotations from your own mouth, spewing idiocy and bile regarding my private cultus? You've given us some delightfully inane gems of intolerance, bigotry, and ignorance over the years.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

Salvete Gualtere, Scholastica,

it seems some of the innovations in Greek were the same as in neolatin languages. For example the introduction of a composite past tense.
The phonetic evolution has many parallelisms with the evolution of Southern Italian dialects(the ones of Magna Graecia).

Scholastica, the matter of how to spell "d" and "g" is not so simple. They are spelled with "ni-tau" and "gamma-kappa" respectively, but in Modern Greek the sounds "nd" and "d" and "ng" and"g" seem to be perceived as different phones of the same phoneme, so there is no way to really diversify the nasalized fron the non-nazalized version, and most Greeks don't seem to perceive a difference.


Some other traits of modern Greek are common with the languages of the Balkan Union (if I remember correctly the assimilation of dative and genitive, the disappearance of the infinitive, and the system of verbal aspects).

The system of making up moods with a particle slapped on top shouldn't sound weird to you English speakers.

Valete,
Livia

>
> Salvete Scholastica, Livia,
>
> Perhaps I will attend next year, but this year I am traveling to Brazil Aug 10, and jumping from the conventus to that flight would give me very little time. Moreover, I didn't budget the $$ for it since I didn't know about early enough.
>
> As for mod. Greek, it really has some wild simplifications. No kidding about losing real infinitive forms! And what happened to most of the participial forms? So it has only a present and past participle... sounds like it's taking moves from the Latin playbook, and an abridged one at that. Also, it seems the mood system has been severely truncated; certainly the optative is gone, but it seems the subjunctive forms are gone as well! Everything has been assimilated into the indicative forms with a particle slapped on top.
>
> Valete,
>
> Gualterus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > A. Tullia Scholastica M. Cornelio Gualtero Graeco L. Liviae Plautae
> > > quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> > >
> > > I have changed the title once again as we are no longer dealing with
> > > Conventus, though I think you ought to attend, Gualtere. I might like to hear
> > > how things are at 1050 E 59th, ZIP 60637.
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve Livia,
> > >
> > > While Greek has a larger role for aspect than Latin, your statement is not
> > > accurate. Classical Greek relates aspect most directly with the imperfect and
> > > perfect tenses (contrary to Latin, where the perfect is the simple preterite).
> > > This changes somewhat in Koine Greek where the perfect becomes simply an
> > > alternative for the simple preterite.
> > >
> > > Anyway, compare the Foundalis charts for LUW (mod. LUNW) with
> > > http://humanities.uchicago.edu/depts/classics/People/Faculty/helmadik/luw.pdf
> > > . Notice that the classical chart does NOT include the future perfect, which
> > > does exist but is not common. If you want a complete sense of the classical
> > > Greek system, then check out
> > > http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~ancgreek/paradigmsU/paradigmtables4BOM.html .
> > >
> > > ATS: These are quite interesting and helpful...but are you trying to
> > > scare people with the likes of bouleuw and lyw? ;-))) We want them to study
> > > this exquisite language, not run away in terror. [It¹s not as bad as it
> > > looks, o prospective students].
> > >
> > > O Livia, classical Greek does not have a conditional mode: where the heck
> > > did that come from? French? Adding a whole mood is simplification? Adding
> > > separate progressive forms? Adding a reduced form of hina to the subjunctive
> > > to form (of all things) the infinitive? Infinitives are nice; every language
> > > should have them. If Greek keeps adding auxiliaries, it might resemble German
> > > one of these days.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Gualterus
> > >
> > > Vale, et valete.
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > > "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Salve Gualtere,
> > >> > aorist was always an aspect rather than a tense. Modern Greek extended this
> > >> aspectual system, on the example of slavic languages.
> > >> > You can find a good description of the greek verb system here:
> > >> http://www.foundalis.com/lan/grkverbs.htm
> > >> > Keep in mind that what Foundalis calls "strawberry flavour", is called
> > >> "aoristos" in modern Greek grammar.
> > >> > Have a lokk and tell me if you still think it's "simplified". Somewhere in
> > >> the links on Foundalis page you can find the link to a complete declination
> > >> of all Greek verbs. It takes several pages.
> > >> >
> > >> > Vale,
> > >> > Livia
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Salve Livia,
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > I'm not really sure what you mean. The aorist is itself a tense,
> > >>> basically a simple preterite, and in classical Greek appears in every mood
> > >>> and voice (defective verbs aside). As a further distinction, there is the
> > >>> so-called first and second aorist (also called the weak and strong)--most
> > >>> verbs usually have one or other, but some have both and a few of these make
> > >>> semantic distinctions between the first and second aorist (e.g. the
> > >>> notorious verb ISTHMI). Can you please explain what you mean by a future
> > >>> aorist? Maybe offer an example? Maybe you're thinking of a future perfect?
> > >>> Classical Greek has that, but it's not common.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Vale,
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Gualterus
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > >>> "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > Salve Gualtere,
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > It added an aoristos for each verbal tense and mood. Call it the way
> > you
> > >>>> > > > want: there was only one aoristos in ancient Greek. Now you get one
> > >>>> in the
> > >>>> > > > future, in the imperative, subjunctive, etc. That almost doubles the
> > >>>> number
> > >>>> > > > of tenses. I'm glad Italian wasn't "simplified" the way Greek was, or
> > we'd
> > >>>> > > > still be writing in Latin and pronouncing it in Italian.
> > >>>> > > > Vale,
> > >>>> > > > Livia
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@>wrote:
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>>> > > > >
> > >>>>> > > > >
> > >>>>> > > > > Salve Livia,
> > >>>>> > > > >
> > >>>>> > > > > Modern Greek lost the middle voice and the optative mood, and
> > >>>>> afaik it
> > >>>>> > > > > didn't add any tenses. So, I'd say it was simplified.
> > >>>>> > > > >
> > >>>>> > > > > Vale,
> > >>>>> > > > >
> > >>>>> > > > > Gualterus
> > >>>>> > > > >
> > >>>>> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > >>>>> > > > > "livia_plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
> > >>>>>> > > > > >
> > >>>>>> > > > > > Salvete,
> > >>>>>> > > > > >
> > >>>>>>> > > > > > >
> > >>>>>>> > > > > > > I'm glad someone agrees with me! Greek is a beautiful
> > >>>>>>> language and
> > >>>>> > > > > really makes Latin seem simple. My advice for a long time has been
> > >>>>> to learn
> > >>>>> > > > > Greek first and then Latin, and then you will appreciate Latin all
> > >>>>> the more!
> > >>>>>>> > > > > > >
> > >>>>>> > > > > >
> > >>>>>> > > > > > I totally agree. In high school I liked Greek better, even if I
> > had
> > >>>>> > > > > better marks in Latin. I just felt Latin wasn't enough of a
> > >>>>> challenge.
> > >>>>>> > > > > > Unfortunately my learning abilities are not the same now as
> > they were
> > >>>>> > > > > when I was 15, but a few years ago, when learning modern Greek, I
> > was
> > >>>>> > > > > pleased to see that the language didn't get simplified one bit.
> > >>>>> True, the
> > >>>>> > > > > genitive got assimilated to the dative, but they added some more
> > >>>>> verb tenses
> > >>>>> > > > > to compensate.
> > >>>>>> > > > > >
> > >>>>>> > > > > > Valete,
> > >>>>>> > > > > > Livia
> > >>>>>> > > > > >
> > >>>>> > > > >
> > >>>>> > > > >
> > >>>>> > > > >
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > --
> > >>>> > > > http://s9.gladiatus.com/game/c.php?uid=99735
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>> > >
> > >> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

-Salve Poplicola;
are you coming to the Conventus? Julia Aquila told me you didn't prepar the ritual and now Piscinus is doing it, I'm the assistant;-) Hope you will be there
M. Hortensia Maior

-- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:

>
> Big words for someone who has never even been considered for a Senate seat.
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:02 PM, titus.aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > "I am a senator of this Respublica"
> >
> > Cato and Sulla are Senatores and may the Gods forgive us for the shame they
> > have brought upon our Respublica and thus on the Eternal Ones !
> >
> > Titus Flavius Aquila
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "Gaius
> > Equitius Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cato Marcae Hortensiae sal.
> > >
> > > Salve.
> > >
> > > You wrote (in part):
> > >
> > > "Who are you to question the religio's foundation? You are not even a
> > practitioner."
> > >
> > > I am a senator of this Respublica, Marca Hortensia. It is my obligation,
> > my duty, and my privilege to question these things, since they do not affect
> > only practitioners, but the whole Respublica. If you do not understand what
> > I am saying, I will say it again: I have no interest in *defining* the
> > religio, as that is best left to those who practice it. I am against
> > strapping an undefined phrase into our legally-binding Constitution, and
> > altering the foundational legal document of the Respublica with unnecessary
> > and indeterminate phraseology.
> > >
> > > I force nothing on anyone; I am uncomfortable with an undefined and
> > useless terminology being forced upon the whole Respublica.
> > >
> > >
> > > You wrote:
> > >
> > > "I've learned that you refuse to educate yourself about the cultus
> > deorum, and you refuse to listen to the Pontifex Maximus when he explains to
> > you. And you don't care what the people want."
> > >
> > > And just exactly from whom have you "learned" this? In what way? I
> > disagree with the Pontifex Maximus, yes, and I have explained clearly and
> > succinctly why in the Senate. Your answer - that we should all assume that
> > the Pontifex Maximus is infallible because...well, he's the Pontifex Maximus
> > - is indescribably puerile. And to bow unquestioning to some authority is
> > most certainly *not* a Roman characteristic. It is the duty of the Senate to
> > question, to discuss, to weigh the value of what is presented to us for the
> > benefit of the whole Respublica.
> > >
> > > You need to learn what the responsibilities of a senator are.
> > >
> > >
> > > You wrote:
> > >
> > > "I want the people to know of your vast contempt for the Religio and Nova
> > Roma's religious officials."
> > >
> > > Disagreement, questioning - these are your definitions of "contempt"? You
> > need to get a dictionary. I have contempt for certain persons, yet this
> > cannot possibly be construed as contempt for the religio.
> > >
> > > Atmosphere of "warmth and tolerance"? From you? You are kidding, right?
> > Do you want published here a string of quotations from your own mouth,
> > spewing idiocy and bile regarding my private cultus? You've given us some
> > delightfully inane gems of intolerance, bigotry, and ignorance over the
> > years.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Julia Aquila doesn't have her facts straight. After talking with Piscinus, he said he'd take it over, since he is a Pontifex and all. He expects you and Julia Aquila to be camillae, although he's probably ignorant of the fact that Julia Aquila said she wasn't planning on being at the convention. I suspect that Metellus if he still comes and Aurelianus if he decides to join will participate as well, but I am no longer able to come.

Poplicola

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:

 

-Salve Poplicola;
are you coming to the Conventus? Julia Aquila told me you didn't prepar the ritual and now Piscinus is doing it, I'm the assistant;-) Hope you will be there
M. Hortensia Maior

-- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
>
> Big words for someone who has never even been considered for a Senate seat.
>

> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:02 PM, titus.aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > "I am a senator of this Respublica"
> >
> > Cato and Sulla are Senatores and may the Gods forgive us for the shame they
> > have brought upon our Respublica and thus on the Eternal Ones !
> >
> > Titus Flavius Aquila
> >

> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "Gaius

> > Equitius Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cato Marcae Hortensiae sal.
> > >
> > > Salve.
> > >
> > > You wrote (in part):
> > >
> > > "Who are you to question the religio's foundation? You are not even a
> > practitioner."
> > >
> > > I am a senator of this Respublica, Marca Hortensia. It is my obligation,
> > my duty, and my privilege to question these things, since they do not affect
> > only practitioners, but the whole Respublica. If you do not understand what
> > I am saying, I will say it again: I have no interest in *defining* the
> > religio, as that is best left to those who practice it. I am against
> > strapping an undefined phrase into our legally-binding Constitution, and
> > altering the foundational legal document of the Respublica with unnecessary
> > and indeterminate phraseology.
> > >
> > > I force nothing on anyone; I am uncomfortable with an undefined and
> > useless terminology being forced upon the whole Respublica.
> > >
> > >
> > > You wrote:
> > >
> > > "I've learned that you refuse to educate yourself about the cultus
> > deorum, and you refuse to listen to the Pontifex Maximus when he explains to
> > you. And you don't care what the people want."
> > >
> > > And just exactly from whom have you "learned" this? In what way? I
> > disagree with the Pontifex Maximus, yes, and I have explained clearly and
> > succinctly why in the Senate. Your answer - that we should all assume that
> > the Pontifex Maximus is infallible because...well, he's the Pontifex Maximus
> > - is indescribably puerile. And to bow unquestioning to some authority is
> > most certainly *not* a Roman characteristic. It is the duty of the Senate to
> > question, to discuss, to weigh the value of what is presented to us for the
> > benefit of the whole Respublica.
> > >
> > > You need to learn what the responsibilities of a senator are.
> > >
> > >
> > > You wrote:
> > >
> > > "I want the people to know of your vast contempt for the Religio and Nova
> > Roma's religious officials."
> > >
> > > Disagreement, questioning - these are your definitions of "contempt"? You
> > need to get a dictionary. I have contempt for certain persons, yet this
> > cannot possibly be construed as contempt for the religio.
> > >
> > > Atmosphere of "warmth and tolerance"? From you? You are kidding, right?
> > Do you want published here a string of quotations from your own mouth,
> > spewing idiocy and bile regarding my private cultus? You've given us some
> > delightfully inane gems of intolerance, bigotry, and ignorance over the
> > years.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Salve Poplicola;
Piscinus corraborated what Julia Aquila told me; that you were supposed to prepare the ritual.

Julia Aquila told me months ago she couldn't make the Conventus as she will be in the mountains with her son. That's we we lobbied to change the date!

But she is a great person as she is single-handedly booking the events: tours for us at the Parthenon, permission to perform rituals before the statue of Mars, booking dinner, actually doing everything to put it together.

So neither you nor Aurelia will be there? So that's why Scholastica is giving the Latin talk, you were going to deliver it.

Well, I do hope Metellus comes, I know Aurelianus will be there for parts of the Conventus.

Why aren't you coming? School doesn't start yet.
optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior

>
> Julia Aquila doesn't have her facts straight. After talking with Piscinus,
> he said he'd take it over, since he is a Pontifex and all. He expects you
> and Julia Aquila to be camillae, although he's probably ignorant of the fact
> that Julia Aquila said she wasn't planning on being at the convention. I
> suspect that Metellus if he still comes and Aurelianus if he decides to join
> will participate as well, but I am no longer able to come.
>
> Poplicola
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > -Salve Poplicola;
> > are you coming to the Conventus? Julia Aquila told me you didn't prepar the
> > ritual and now Piscinus is doing it, I'm the assistant;-) Hope you will be
> > there
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> >
> >
> > -- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Quintus
> > Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Big words for someone who has never even been considered for a Senate
> > seat.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:02 PM, titus.aquila <titus.aquila@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "I am a senator of this Respublica"
> > > >
> > > > Cato and Sulla are Senatores and may the Gods forgive us for the shame
> > they
> > > > have brought upon our Respublica and thus on the Eternal Ones !
> > > >
> > > > Titus Flavius Aquila
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Gaius
> >
> > > > Equitius Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato Marcae Hortensiae sal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve.
> > > > >
> > > > > You wrote (in part):
> > > > >
> > > > > "Who are you to question the religio's foundation? You are not even a
> > > > practitioner."
> > > > >
> > > > > I am a senator of this Respublica, Marca Hortensia. It is my
> > obligation,
> > > > my duty, and my privilege to question these things, since they do not
> > affect
> > > > only practitioners, but the whole Respublica. If you do not understand
> > what
> > > > I am saying, I will say it again: I have no interest in *defining* the
> > > > religio, as that is best left to those who practice it. I am against
> > > > strapping an undefined phrase into our legally-binding Constitution,
> > and
> > > > altering the foundational legal document of the Respublica with
> > unnecessary
> > > > and indeterminate phraseology.
> > > > >
> > > > > I force nothing on anyone; I am uncomfortable with an undefined and
> > > > useless terminology being forced upon the whole Respublica.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "I've learned that you refuse to educate yourself about the cultus
> > > > deorum, and you refuse to listen to the Pontifex Maximus when he
> > explains to
> > > > you. And you don't care what the people want."
> > > > >
> > > > > And just exactly from whom have you "learned" this? In what way? I
> > > > disagree with the Pontifex Maximus, yes, and I have explained clearly
> > and
> > > > succinctly why in the Senate. Your answer - that we should all assume
> > that
> > > > the Pontifex Maximus is infallible because...well, he's the Pontifex
> > Maximus
> > > > - is indescribably puerile. And to bow unquestioning to some authority
> > is
> > > > most certainly *not* a Roman characteristic. It is the duty of the
> > Senate to
> > > > question, to discuss, to weigh the value of what is presented to us for
> > the
> > > > benefit of the whole Respublica.
> > > > >
> > > > > You need to learn what the responsibilities of a senator are.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "I want the people to know of your vast contempt for the Religio and
> > Nova
> > > > Roma's religious officials."
> > > > >
> > > > > Disagreement, questioning - these are your definitions of "contempt"?
> > You
> > > > need to get a dictionary. I have contempt for certain persons, yet this
> > > > cannot possibly be construed as contempt for the religio.
> > > > >
> > > > > Atmosphere of "warmth and tolerance"? From you? You are kidding,
> > right?
> > > > Do you want published here a string of quotations from your own mouth,
> > > > spewing idiocy and bile regarding my private cultus? You've given us
> > some
> > > > delightfully inane gems of intolerance, bigotry, and ignorance over the
> > > > years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Salve Poplicola;
 Piscinus corraborated what Julia Aquila told me; that you were supposed to prepare the ritual.
 
 Julia Aquila told me months ago she couldn't make the Conventus as she will be in the mountains with her son. That's we we lobbied to change the date!

    ATS:  And then there are other reasons, too, such as the weather...

But she is a great person as she is single-handedly booking the events: tours for us at the Parthenon, permission to perform rituals before the statue of Mars, booking dinner, actually doing everything to put it together.

    ATS:  Indeed.  

So neither you nor Aurelia will be there? So that's why Scholastica is giving the Latin talk, you were going to deliver it.

    ATS:  Well, I haven’t heard from Regulus about lodging arrangements, though he said he would contact me Sunday, and unless I hear by Tuesday morning, I will have to cancel, or make my own arrangements and cut my stay short.  I am not going to drive over 700 miles or pay Greyhound $200 or more only to find that no lodging arrangements have been made, so I might not be able to come after all.   I have prepared some poetry readings, and will do the prose ones later, but you might have to carry the burden.

Well, I do hope Metellus comes, I know Aurelianus will be there for parts of the Conventus.

Why aren't you coming? School doesn't start yet.

    ATS:  Maybe he has to pack.  Incidentally, I am sure that Piscinus knows that Julia Aquila was not coming, though he did not know the reason.  He said as much on the Conventus list.

 optime vale
 M. Hortensia Maior

Vale, et valete.

>
> Julia Aquila doesn't have her facts straight. After talking with Piscinus,
> he said he'd take it over, since he is a Pontifex and all. He expects you
> and Julia Aquila to be camillae, although he's probably ignorant of the fact
> that Julia Aquila said she wasn't planning on being at the convention. I
> suspect that Metellus if he still comes and Aurelianus if he decides to join
> will participate as well, but I am no longer able to come.
>
> Poplicola
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > -Salve Poplicola;
> > are you coming to the Conventus? Julia Aquila told me you didn't prepar the
> > ritual and now Piscinus is doing it, I'm the assistant;-) Hope you will be
> > there
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> >
> >
> > -- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>  <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Quintus
> > Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Big words for someone who has never even been considered for a Senate
> > seat.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:02 PM, titus.aquila <titus.aquila@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "I am a senator of this Respublica"
> > > >
> > > > Cato and Sulla are Senatores and may the Gods forgive us for the shame
> > they
> > > > have brought upon our Respublica and thus on the Eternal Ones !
> > > >
> > > > Titus Flavius Aquila
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>  <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Gaius
> >
> > > > Equitius Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato Marcae Hortensiae sal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve.
> > > > >
> > > > > You wrote (in part):
> > > > >
> > > > > "Who are you to question the religio's foundation? You are not even a
> > > > practitioner."
> > > > >
> > > > > I am a senator of this Respublica, Marca Hortensia. It is my
> > obligation,
> > > > my duty, and my privilege to question these things, since they do not
> > affect
> > > > only practitioners, but the whole Respublica. If you do not understand
> > what
> > > > I am saying, I will say it again: I have no interest in *defining* the
> > > > religio, as that is best left to those who practice it. I am against
> > > > strapping an undefined phrase into our legally-binding Constitution,
> > and
> > > > altering the foundational legal document of the Respublica with
> > unnecessary
> > > > and indeterminate phraseology.
> > > > >
> > > > > I force nothing on anyone; I am uncomfortable with an undefined and
> > > > useless terminology being forced upon the whole Respublica.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "I've learned that you refuse to educate yourself about the cultus
> > > > deorum, and you refuse to listen to the Pontifex Maximus when he
> > explains to
> > > > you. And you don't care what the people want."
> > > > >
> > > > > And just exactly from whom have you "learned" this? In what way? I
> > > > disagree with the Pontifex Maximus, yes, and I have explained clearly
> > and
> > > > succinctly why in the Senate. Your answer - that we should all assume
> > that
> > > > the Pontifex Maximus is infallible because...well, he's the Pontifex
> > Maximus
> > > > - is indescribably puerile. And to bow unquestioning to some authority
> > is
> > > > most certainly *not* a Roman characteristic. It is the duty of the
> > Senate to
> > > > question, to discuss, to weigh the value of what is presented to us for
> > the
> > > > benefit of the whole Respublica.
> > > > >
> > > > > You need to learn what the responsibilities of a senator are.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "I want the people to know of your vast contempt for the Religio and
> > Nova
> > > > Roma's religious officials."
> > > > >
> > > > > Disagreement, questioning - these are your definitions of "contempt"?
> > You
> > > > need to get a dictionary. I have contempt for certain persons, yet this
> > > > cannot possibly be construed as contempt for the religio.
> > > > >
> > > > > Atmosphere of "warmth and tolerance"? From you? You are kidding,
> > right?
> > > > Do you want published here a string of quotations from your own mouth,
> > > > spewing idiocy and bile regarding my private cultus? You've given us
> > some
> > > > delightfully inane gems of intolerance, bigotry, and ignorance over the
> > > > years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato
> > > > >
> > > >

A young irresponsible pup speaks his "mind".   It lacks the maturity for graduate school (oh, forgot, following on girlfriend's qualifications -- not your own). Good luck in graduate school. I'm sure you will find some excuse. And, BTW, you abandoned all responsibility to make this Conventus happen and I have it from our PM that you just dumped the rituals, suddenly, in his lap. So, you are piss and vinegar or weak sexually: you have no committed follow thru nor ability to. Iulia organized this damn thing at the midnight hour and all you, personally did, was berate her. It strikes me as the behaviour of an impotent male beating up his female companion because of his own inability to be a man (sexually, ethically, graduate school on your own merits). --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote: From: Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order! To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 10:55 PM   Julia Aquila doesn't have her facts straight. After talking with Piscinus, he said he'd take it over, since he is a Pontifex and all. He expects you and Julia Aquila to be camillae, although he's probably ignorant of the fact that Julia Aquila said she wasn't planning on being at the convention.. I suspect that Metellus if he still comes and Aurelianus if he decides to join will participate as well, but I am no longer able to come. Poplicola On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Maior <rory12001@yahoo. com> wrote:   -Salve Poplicola; are you coming to the Conventus? Julia Aquila told me you didn't prepar the ritual and now Piscinus is doing it, I'm the assistant;-) Hope you will be there M. Hortensia Maior -- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicol a@...> wrote: > > Big words for someone who has never even been considered for a Senate seat. > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:02 PM, titus.aquila <titus.aquila@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "I am a senator of this Respublica" > > > > Cato and Sulla are Senatores and may the Gods forgive us for the shame they > > have brought upon our Respublica and thus on the Eternal Ones ! > > > > Titus Flavius Aquila > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups. com>, "Gaius > > Equitius Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote: > > > > > > Cato Marcae Hortensiae sal. > > > > > > Salve. > > > > > > You wrote (in part): > > > > > > "Who are you to question the religio's foundation? You are not even a > > practitioner." > > > > > > I am a senator of this Respublica, Marca Hortensia. It is my obligation, > > my duty, and my privilege to question these things, since they do not affect > > only practitioners, but the whole Respublica. If you do not understand what > > I am saying, I will say it again: I have no interest in *defining* the > > religio, as that is best left to those who practice it. I am against > > strapping an undefined phrase into our legally-binding Constitution, and > > altering the foundational legal document of the Respublica with unnecessary > > and indeterminate phraseology. > > > > > > I force nothing on anyone; I am uncomfortable with an undefined and > > useless terminology being forced upon the whole Respublica. > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > "I've learned that you refuse to educate yourself about the cultus > > deorum, and you refuse to listen to the Pontifex Maximus when he explains to > > you. And you don't care what the people want." > > > > > > And just exactly from whom have you "learned" this? In what way? I > > disagree with the Pontifex Maximus, yes, and I have explained clearly and > > succinctly why in the Senate. Your answer - that we should all assume that > > the Pontifex Maximus is infallible because...well, he's the Pontifex Maximus > > - is indescribably puerile. And to bow unquestioning to some authority is > > most certainly *not* a Roman characteristic. It is the duty of the Senate to > > question, to discuss, to weigh the value of what is presented to us for the > > benefit of the whole Respublica. > > > > > > You need to learn what the responsibilities of a senator are. > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > "I want the people to know of your vast contempt for the Religio and Nova > > Roma's religious officials." > > > > > > Disagreement, questioning - these are your definitions of "contempt"? You > > need to get a dictionary. I have contempt for certain persons, yet this > > cannot possibly be construed as contempt for the religio. > > > > > > Atmosphere of "warmth and tolerance"? From you? You are kidding, right? > > Do you want published here a string of quotations from your own mouth, > > spewing idiocy and bile regarding my private cultus? You've given us some > > delightfully inane gems of intolerance, bigotry, and ignorance over the > > years. > > > > > > Vale, > > > > > > Cato > > > > > > > > > >

Ouch!!  Someone just got pwned!

My respect for you Regulus just went up!  I am now doubly sad that I'm not able to attend the conventus, but hope you'll invite me for another visit in the future.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:56 PM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:

 

A young irresponsible pup speaks his "mind".   It lacks the maturity for graduate school (oh, forgot, following on girlfriend's qualifications -- not your own). Good luck in graduate school. I'm sure you will find some excuse. And, BTW, you abandoned all responsibility to make this Conventus happen and I have it from our PM that you just dumped the rituals, suddenly, in his lap. So, you are piss and vinegar or weak sexually: you have no committed follow thru nor ability to. Iulia organized this damn thing at the midnight hour and all you, personally did, was berate her. It strikes me as the behaviour of an impotent male beating up his female companion because of his own inability to be a man (sexually, ethically, graduate school on your own merits).

Salve, My door is always open. This household may be sloppy (overstuffed with things like books) but we hope the hospitality (sacred) is a total welcome from arrival to departure. There are a few who are my guests for this Conventus. My dear Marinus is always a welcomed guest. Plus, I'm a philosopher. I don't count who is approving or disapproving me.   What I don't get about you is how a gnostic can be a process person. Classical gnosticism is a dualism with matter being evil. Process philosophy is a neutral monism. What is the match up??? Please feel free to email me privately offlist if you want to discuss this. Vale, A. Sempronius Regulus   --- On Tue, 7/28/09, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote: From: David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order! To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 12:05 AM   Ouch!!  Someone just got pwned! My respect for you Regulus just went up!  I am now doubly sad that I'm not able to attend the conventus, but hope you'll invite me for another visit in the future. Vale; Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:56 PM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius. regulus@yahoo. com> wrote:   A young irresponsible pup speaks his "mind".   It lacks the maturity for graduate school (oh, forgot, following on girlfriend's qualifications -- not your own). Good luck in graduate school. I'm sure you will find some excuse. And, BTW, you abandoned all responsibility to make this Conventus happen and I have it from our PM that you just dumped the rituals, suddenly, in his lap. So, you are piss and vinegar or weak sexually: you have no committed follow thru nor ability to. Iulia organized this damn thing at the midnight hour and all you, personally did, was berate her. It strikes me as the behaviour of an impotent male beating up his female companion because of his own inability to be a man (sexually, ethically, graduate school on your own merits).

Totally apart from anything Roman, a dear friend of the family was Robert Heinlein. I always envisioned myself, as a host, as Jubal Harshaw. --- On Tue, 7/28/09, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote: From: A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order! To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 12:20 AM   Salve, My door is always open. This household may be sloppy (overstuffed with things like books) but we hope the hospitality (sacred) is a total welcome from arrival to departure. There are a few who are my guests for this Conventus. My dear Marinus is always a welcomed guest. Plus, I'm a philosopher. I don't count who is approving or disapproving me.   What I don't get about you is how a gnostic can be a process person. Classical gnosticism is a dualism with matter being evil. Process philosophy is a neutral monism. What is the match up??? Please feel free to email me privately offlist if you want to discuss this. Vale, A. Sempronius Regulus   --- On Tue, 7/28/09, David Kling <tau.athanasios@ gmail.com> wrote: From: David Kling <tau.athanasios@ gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order! To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 12:05 AM   Ouch!!  Someone just got pwned! My respect for you Regulus just went up!  I am now doubly sad that I'm not able to attend the conventus, but hope you'll invite me for another visit in the future. Vale; Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:56 PM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius. regulus@yahoo. com> wrote:   A young irresponsible pup speaks his "mind".   It lacks the maturity for graduate school (oh, forgot, following on girlfriend's qualifications -- not your own). Good luck in graduate school. I'm sure you will find some excuse. And, BTW, you abandoned all responsibility to make this Conventus happen and I have it from our PM that you just dumped the rituals, suddenly, in his lap. So, you are piss and vinegar or weak sexually: you have no committed follow thru nor ability to. Iulia organized this damn thing at the midnight hour and all you, personally did, was berate her. It strikes me as the behaviour of an impotent male beating up his female companion because of his own inability to be a man (sexually, ethically, graduate school on your own merits).

Bene dixit; Recte dixit!
L. Julia Aquila took up the job that Gn. Iulius Caesar, Poplicola and Aurelia have totally abandoned.

She is the one that is single-handedly making this Conventus possible. And the participants are grateful to her for all her help. She is the voice on the Nashville Conventus List that is smoothing our way.

And, I am grateful too for the help and hospitality of A. Sempronius Regulus. These two are stand-up cives. Full of action not just talk.

The sheer irony is that if we'd known Julia Aquila was organizing the entire blasted thing we would have moved it to a better date, when the weather was nice and everyone, including Julia Aquila, could come.

see you at the Conventus!
M. Hortensia Maior

>
> A young irresponsible pup speaks his "mind".
>  
> It lacks the maturity for graduate school (oh, forgot, following on girlfriend's qualifications -- not your own). Good luck in graduate school. I'm sure you will find some excuse. And, BTW, you abandoned all responsibility to make this Conventus happen and I have it from our PM that you just dumped the rituals, suddenly, in his lap. So, you are piss and vinegar or weak sexually: you have no committed follow thru nor ability to. Iulia organized this damn thing at the midnight hour and all you, personally did, was berate her. It strikes me as the behaviour of an impotent male beating up his female companion because of his own inability to be a man (sexually, ethically, graduate school on your own merits).
>
>
> --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order!
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 10:55 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Julia Aquila doesn't have her facts straight. After talking with Piscinus, he said he'd take it over, since he is a Pontifex and all. He expects you and Julia Aquila to be camillae, although he's probably ignorant of the fact that Julia Aquila said she wasn't planning on being at the convention. I suspect that Metellus if he still comes and Aurelianus if he decides to join will participate as well, but I am no longer able to come.
>
> Poplicola
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Maior <rory12001@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> -Salve Poplicola;
> are you coming to the Conventus? Julia Aquila told me you didn't prepar the ritual and now Piscinus is doing it, I'm the assistant;-) Hope you will be there
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
> -- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicol a@...> wrote:
> >
> > Big words for someone who has never even been considered for a Senate seat.
> >
>
> > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:02 PM, titus.aquila <titus.aquila@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "I am a senator of this Respublica"
> > >
> > > Cato and Sulla are Senatores and may the Gods forgive us for the shame they
> > > have brought upon our Respublica and thus on the Eternal Ones !
> > >
> > > Titus Flavius Aquila
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups. com>, "Gaius
>
>
>
> > > Equitius Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cato Marcae Hortensiae sal.
> > > >
> > > > Salve.
> > > >
> > > > You wrote (in part):
> > > >
> > > > "Who are you to question the religio's foundation? You are not even a
> > > practitioner."
> > > >
> > > > I am a senator of this Respublica, Marca Hortensia. It is my obligation,
> > > my duty, and my privilege to question these things, since they do not affect
> > > only practitioners, but the whole Respublica. If you do not understand what
> > > I am saying, I will say it again: I have no interest in *defining* the
> > > religio, as that is best left to those who practice it. I am against
> > > strapping an undefined phrase into our legally-binding Constitution, and
> > > altering the foundational legal document of the Respublica with unnecessary
> > > and indeterminate phraseology.
> > > >
> > > > I force nothing on anyone; I am uncomfortable with an undefined and
> > > useless terminology being forced upon the whole Respublica.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "I've learned that you refuse to educate yourself about the cultus
> > > deorum, and you refuse to listen to the Pontifex Maximus when he explains to
> > > you. And you don't care what the people want."
> > > >
> > > > And just exactly from whom have you "learned" this? In what way? I
> > > disagree with the Pontifex Maximus, yes, and I have explained clearly and
> > > succinctly why in the Senate. Your answer - that we should all assume that
> > > the Pontifex Maximus is infallible because...well, he's the Pontifex Maximus
> > > - is indescribably puerile. And to bow unquestioning to some authority is
> > > most certainly *not* a Roman characteristic. It is the duty of the Senate to
> > > question, to discuss, to weigh the value of what is presented to us for the
> > > benefit of the whole Respublica.
> > > >
> > > > You need to learn what the responsibilities of a senator are.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "I want the people to know of your vast contempt for the Religio and Nova
> > > Roma's religious officials."
> > > >
> > > > Disagreement, questioning - these are your definitions of "contempt"? You
> > > need to get a dictionary. I have contempt for certain persons, yet this
> > > cannot possibly be construed as contempt for the religio.
> > > >
> > > > Atmosphere of "warmth and tolerance"? From you? You are kidding, right?
> > > Do you want published here a string of quotations from your own mouth,
> > > spewing idiocy and bile regarding my private cultus? You've given us some
> > > delightfully inane gems of intolerance, bigotry, and ignorance over the
> > > years.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

I did *not* just put this into Piscinus' lap. I explained my reasons for suggesting he do it, and he accepted. If he wanted me to do it, all he had to do was say, "No, Poplicola, you do it."

I also find it humorous that you think I'm riding on my gf's credential? How on earth did you come up with that? Lying, Regule, was not a Roman trait, tu meretrix mendax. If you have something to actually say, say it, otherwise you're just a coward hiding behind rude insinuation and deception.

Poplicola

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:

 

Bene dixit; Recte dixit!
L. Julia Aquila took up the job that Gn. Iulius Caesar, Poplicola and Aurelia have totally abandoned.

She is the one that is single-handedly making this Conventus possible. And the participants are grateful to her for all her help. She is the voice on the Nashville Conventus List that is smoothing our way.

And, I am grateful too for the help and hospitality of A. Sempronius Regulus. These two are stand-up cives. Full of action not just talk.

The sheer irony is that if we'd known Julia Aquila was organizing the entire blasted thing we would have moved it to a better date, when the weather was nice and everyone, including Julia Aquila, could come.

see you at the Conventus!
M. Hortensia Maior

>

> A young irresponsible pup speaks his "mind".
>  
> It lacks the maturity for graduate school (oh, forgot, following on girlfriend's qualifications -- not your own). Good luck in graduate school. I'm sure you will find some excuse. And, BTW, you abandoned all responsibility to make this Conventus happen and I have it from our PM that you just dumped the rituals, suddenly, in his lap. So, you are piss and vinegar or weak sexually: you have no committed follow thru nor ability to. Iulia organized this damn thing at the midnight hour and all you, personally did, was berate her. It strikes me as the behaviour of an impotent male beating up his female companion because of his own inability to be a man (sexually, ethically, graduate school on your own merits).
>
>

> --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...>

> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order!
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 10:55 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Julia Aquila doesn't have her facts straight. After talking with Piscinus, he said he'd take it over, since he is a Pontifex and all. He expects you and Julia Aquila to be camillae, although he's probably ignorant of the fact that Julia Aquila said she wasn't planning on being at the convention. I suspect that Metellus if he still comes and Aurelianus if he decides to join will participate as well, but I am no longer able to come.
>
> Poplicola
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Maior <rory12001@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> -Salve Poplicola;
> are you coming to the Conventus? Julia Aquila told me you didn't prepar the ritual and now Piscinus is doing it, I'm the assistant;-) Hope you will be there
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
> -- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicol a@...> wrote:
> >
> > Big words for someone who has never even been considered for a Senate seat.
> >
>
> > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:02 PM, titus.aquila <titus.aquila@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "I am a senator of this Respublica"
> > >
> > > Cato and Sulla are Senatores and may the Gods forgive us for the shame they
> > > have brought upon our Respublica and thus on the Eternal Ones !
> > >
> > > Titus Flavius Aquila
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups. com>, "Gaius
>
>
>
> > > Equitius Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cato Marcae Hortensiae sal.
> > > >
> > > > Salve.
> > > >
> > > > You wrote (in part):
> > > >
> > > > "Who are you to question the religio's foundation? You are not even a
> > > practitioner."
> > > >
> > > > I am a senator of this Respublica, Marca Hortensia. It is my obligation,
> > > my duty, and my privilege to question these things, since they do not affect
> > > only practitioners, but the whole Respublica. If you do not understand what
> > > I am saying, I will say it again: I have no interest in *defining* the
> > > religio, as that is best left to those who practice it. I am against
> > > strapping an undefined phrase into our legally-binding Constitution, and
> > > altering the foundational legal document of the Respublica with unnecessary
> > > and indeterminate phraseology.
> > > >
> > > > I force nothing on anyone; I am uncomfortable with an undefined and
> > > useless terminology being forced upon the whole Respublica.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "I've learned that you refuse to educate yourself about the cultus
> > > deorum, and you refuse to listen to the Pontifex Maximus when he explains to
> > > you. And you don't care what the people want."
> > > >
> > > > And just exactly from whom have you "learned" this? In what way? I
> > > disagree with the Pontifex Maximus, yes, and I have explained clearly and
> > > succinctly why in the Senate. Your answer - that we should all assume that
> > > the Pontifex Maximus is infallible because...well, he's the Pontifex Maximus
> > > - is indescribably puerile. And to bow unquestioning to some authority is
> > > most certainly *not* a Roman characteristic. It is the duty of the Senate to
> > > question, to discuss, to weigh the value of what is presented to us for the
> > > benefit of the whole Respublica.
> > > >
> > > > You need to learn what the responsibilities of a senator are.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "I want the people to know of your vast contempt for the Religio and Nova
> > > Roma's religious officials."
> > > >
> > > > Disagreement, questioning - these are your definitions of "contempt"? You
> > > need to get a dictionary. I have contempt for certain persons, yet this
> > > cannot possibly be construed as contempt for the religio.
> > > >
> > > > Atmosphere of "warmth and tolerance"? From you? You are kidding, right?
> > > Do you want published here a string of quotations from your own mouth,
> > > spewing idiocy and bile regarding my private cultus? You've given us some
> > > delightfully inane gems of intolerance, bigotry, and ignorance over the
> > > years.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

"L. Julia Aquila took up the job that Gn. Iulius Caesar, Poplicola and Aurelia have totally abandoned."

Not Caesar, not Aurelia, and not I have abandoned the project, as the conventus archives would show, and any person there can attest to. My most recent email went out just a couple of days ago, and Aurelia has constantly been talking on the list. Julia Aquila has indeed taken up much of the work, which is appreciated because she lives there. However, it wasn't dropped in her lap, she waltzed in and forcefully took it over, but who's going to say no when she's on the ground there? She wasn't that diplomatic, but then again, who is in Nova Roma. Certainly not the growing list of people who are, for some odd reason or another, forced to spew out lie after lie. It's like a disease in this organization.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:

I did *not* just put this into Piscinus' lap. I explained my reasons for suggesting he do it, and he accepted. If he wanted me to do it, all he had to do was say, "No, Poplicola, you do it."

I also find it humorous that you think I'm riding on my gf's credential? How on earth did you come up with that? Lying, Regule, was not a Roman trait, tu meretrix mendax. If you have something to actually say, say it, otherwise you're just a coward hiding behind rude insinuation and deception.

Poplicola

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:

�

Bene dixit; Recte dixit!
L. Julia Aquila took up the job that Gn. Iulius Caesar, Poplicola and Aurelia have totally abandoned.

She is the one that is single-handedly making this Conventus possible. And the participants are grateful to her for all her help. She is the voice on the Nashville Conventus List that is smoothing our way.

And, I am grateful too for the help and hospitality of A. Sempronius Regulus. These two are stand-up cives. Full of action not just talk.

The sheer irony is that if we'd known Julia Aquila was organizing the entire blasted thing we would have moved it to a better date, when the weather was nice and everyone, including Julia Aquila, could come.

see you at the Conventus!
M. Hortensia Maior

>

> A young irresponsible pup speaks his "mind".
> �
> It lacks the maturity for graduate school (oh, forgot, following on girlfriend's qualifications -- not your own). Good luck in graduate school. I'm sure you will find some excuse. And, BTW, you abandoned all responsibility to make this Conventus happen and I have it from our PM that you just dumped the rituals, suddenly, in his lap. So, you are piss and vinegar or weak sexually: you have no committed follow thru nor ability to. Iulia organized this damn thing at the midnight hour and all you, personally did, was berate her. It strikes me as the behaviour of an impotent male beating up his female companion because of his own inability to be a man (sexually, ethically, graduate school on your own merits).
>
>

> --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicola@...>

> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order!
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 10:55 PM
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> Julia Aquila doesn't have her facts straight. After talking with Piscinus, he said he'd take it over, since he is a Pontifex and all. He expects you and Julia Aquila to be camillae, although he's probably ignorant of the fact that Julia Aquila said she wasn't planning on being at the convention. I suspect that Metellus if he still comes and Aurelianus if he decides to join will participate as well, but I am no longer able to come.
>
> Poplicola
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Maior <rory12001@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> -Salve Poplicola;
> are you coming to the Conventus? Julia Aquila told me you didn't prepar the ritual and now Piscinus is doing it, I'm the assistant;-) Hope you will be there
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
> -- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Quintus Valerius Poplicola <q.valerius.poplicol a@...> wrote:
> >
> > Big words for someone who has never even been considered for a Senate seat.
> >
>
> > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:02 PM, titus.aquila <titus.aquila@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "I am a senator of this Respublica"
> > >
> > > Cato and Sulla are Senatores and may the Gods forgive us for the shame they
> > > have brought upon our Respublica and thus on the Eternal Ones !
> > >
> > > Titus Flavius Aquila
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups. com>, "Gaius
>
>
>
> > > Equitius Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cato Marcae Hortensiae sal.
> > > >
> > > > Salve.
> > > >
> > > > You wrote (in part):
> > > >
> > > > "Who are you to question the religio's foundation? You are not even a
> > > practitioner."
> > > >
> > > > I am a senator of this Respublica, Marca Hortensia. It is my obligation,
> > > my duty, and my privilege to question these things, since they do not affect
> > > only practitioners, but the whole Respublica. If you do not understand what
> > > I am saying, I will say it again: I have no interest in *defining* the
> > > religio, as that is best left to those who practice it. I am against
> > > strapping an undefined phrase into our legally-binding Constitution, and
> > > altering the foundational legal document of the Respublica with unnecessary
> > > and indeterminate phraseology.
> > > >
> > > > I force nothing on anyone; I am uncomfortable with an undefined and
> > > useless terminology being forced upon the whole Respublica.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "I've learned that you refuse to educate yourself about the cultus
> > > deorum, and you refuse to listen to the Pontifex Maximus when he explains to
> > > you. And you don't care what the people want."
> > > >
> > > > And just exactly from whom have you "learned" this? In what way? I
> > > disagree with the Pontifex Maximus, yes, and I have explained clearly and
> > > succinctly why in the Senate. Your answer - that we should all assume that
> > > the Pontifex Maximus is infallible because...well, he's the Pontifex Maximus
> > > - is indescribably puerile. And to bow unquestioning to some authority is
> > > most certainly *not* a Roman characteristic. It is the duty of the Senate to
> > > question, to discuss, to weigh the value of what is presented to us for the
> > > benefit of the whole Respublica.
> > > >
> > > > You need to learn what the responsibilities of a senator are.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "I want the people to know of your vast contempt for the Religio and Nova
> > > Roma's religious officials."
> > > >
> > > > Disagreement, questioning - these are your definitions of "contempt"? You
> > > need to get a dictionary. I have contempt for certain persons, yet this
> > > cannot possibly be construed as contempt for the religio.
> > > >
> > > > Atmosphere of "warmth and tolerance"? From you? You are kidding, right?
> > > Do you want published here a string of quotations from your own mouth,
> > > spewing idiocy and bile regarding my private cultus? You've given us some
> > > delightfully inane gems of intolerance, bigotry, and ignorance over the
> > > years.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

L. Iulia Aquila Q. Valerio Policolae S.P.D.

Young man, your behavior is, and has been, deplorable and not befitting a person of your purported education or your position as Quaestor. Rather than take a moment in private to discuss any perceived miscommunications or disagreements you respond with sniping remarks and always appear to be on the defensive.
I would not go as so far to say you are a liar in your version of the matter at hand, perhaps you are in a time warp where, for example, three weeks is a mere few hours. I do not know for sure what your reality is. Maybe It is I who has the problem perceiving the communication in the Aedilician cohors as lacking because I am not in tune to your telepathic communication and have the audacity to believe that people who accept the responsibility of being on a committee should egae in written communication on a regular and consistent basis. Especially in a cohors where a Conventus is swiftly coming upon us, now just over a week away.
The proof is in the Aedilician Cohors where great gaps of time, weeks, occur between any posting, and the quality of said posting is far from productive. Your offer of "proof" is a feeble attempt at best. I have been in business long enough to have the foresight to cover my backside and also to be able to be perceptive enough to recognize the untrustworthy.
Even moreso dealing in a diplomatic fashion with an immature person such as yourself is a waste of time because you appear to live in a parallel universe apart from the hegemonic reality. Yet it is my way to be persistent in diplomacy, even if the receiver does not recognize it. This perhaps is more respect that you offer others.
In short it is just not worth it to engage in a dispute regarding such non-productive matters.

I do not have the time for that nonsense.

I expect you to conduct yourself civilly and to be a welcoming and gracious host to our guests, as is your obligation per the responsibility you accepted which also includes working in cooperation with myself and the others such as Regulus, Piscinus, Scholastica, and yes, Maior; all have been a great source of support to me and have worked as hard as I have.
Selflessly, without having to have their names posted, in other words without recognition. If you are unable to do this then I expect you to have the maturity, dignity and wisdom to step down and allow us to continue to put the final touches on the Conventus without anymore of your temper tantrums and leveling abusive words towards those who are making this Conventus a reality.
I cannot speak for Caesar but perhaps if those people he put so much trust in had done their jobs he would be active right now. I do recognize and know that Caesar had worked diligently and persistently to get this Conventus done this year. He did this for all Novi Romani. I will not say why he has been absent, this is not my place but I can say he has contributed a great deal.

Your only positive contribution thus far has been to offer some topics to be discussed. After I set a deadline.
With just a little more than a week before the Conventus, an attempt was made to contribute in the guise of topics to fill in any gaps.
The topics being:
Certamen - a quiz game based on Roman topics. I can make some stuff if the group wants.
Roman food topics with already preset examples.
Talking about our personal religious experiences.
Talking about how we can improve NR.

All in all these are fine. But it is not enough to just present some of these topics; the presentations must also accompany them. Who is going to do the work needed to present and implement them? The rest of us are taxed to the max.

The last suggestion gives the biggest hint to some of the problems here in Nova Roma:
*Talk about* how we can improve NR.
Poplicola you do an awful lot of talking but none of the work. Those who are working do not have time to talk.
Why?
Because they are working.
Thanklessly it appears but we do not need thanks because the work itself should be a pleasure and rewarding – but much of the work is halted because of those who talk and talk and talk ad nauseum.
It's sickening.
After a while people stop listening to the nonsense.
The bloviators lose credibility.
At one point in time I sat silently and watched while a bloviating brood talked about some business plan they had in their head –they pompously expounded that this was what was needed and the Cohors are not doing anything about it.
Earlier in the year I spent several days' worth of my spare time preparing a preliminary professional business plan of several pages with several sections – each of which designed to be the basis for development of a larger most comprehensive plan for each sub-entity within Nova Roma. Which includes many ways to bring much needed funding into NR.
It has been sitting since March because of the obstructive antics of a few who are more talk than action – or if they do take action it is harmful. Who had the time to get the work done? Many on the teams, the leading Magistrates and their scribae, were too busy being engaged in obstructive games of the bloviators.
We are continually obstructed by the bloviators who think their words are sparkling gems and this is their contribution – sitting at their computers with too much time on their hands typing out little black marks rather than actual elbow grease and teamwork.
Those who become part of the bloviating brood are working parallel to Nova Roma.
They are not interested in team work and progress, if they were they would find a way to continue to offer their ideas and yet work within a team and work towards the Respublica rather than creating ways to wreck havoc.
Through cooperation and team work one earns trust and through that trust one's ideas become credible. It will not work the other way around. Pushing one's ideas at a society pushes that society away.

I am finished. I have work to do.
That is all I have to say on the subject.

Vale optime di te incolumes custodiant

L. Iulia Aquila

P.S. As I completed this entry I understand Poplicola gave up and left. No matter… I am certain he will get the message. While I had preferred he would have left with dignity and maturity – quite frankly I am tired of having to babysit other's children. Yet I wish him all the good fortune the world has to offer.

typo: egae should be engage - pp I sententia IV

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> L. Iulia Aquila Q. Valerio Policolae S.P.D.
>
> Young man, your behavior is, and has been, deplorable and not befitting a person of your purported education or your position as Quaestor. Rather than take a moment in private to discuss any perceived miscommunications or disagreements you respond with sniping remarks and always appear to be on the defensive.
> I would not go as so far to say you are a liar in your version of the matter at hand, perhaps you are in a time warp where, for example, three weeks is a mere few hours. I do not know for sure what your reality is. Maybe It is I who has the problem perceiving the communication in the Aedilician cohors as lacking because I am not in tune to your telepathic communication and have the audacity to believe that people who accept the responsibility of being on a committee should egae in written communication on a regular and consistent basis. Especially in a cohors where a Conventus is swiftly coming upon us, now just over a week away.
> The proof is in the Aedilician Cohors where great gaps of time, weeks, occur between any posting, and the quality of said posting is far from productive. Your offer of "proof" is a feeble attempt at best. I have been in business long enough to have the foresight to cover my backside and also to be able to be perceptive enough to recognize the untrustworthy.
> Even moreso dealing in a diplomatic fashion with an immature person such as yourself is a waste of time because you appear to live in a parallel universe apart from the hegemonic reality. Yet it is my way to be persistent in diplomacy, even if the receiver does not recognize it. This perhaps is more respect that you offer others.
> In short it is just not worth it to engage in a dispute regarding such non-productive matters.
>
> I do not have the time for that nonsense.
>
> I expect you to conduct yourself civilly and to be a welcoming and gracious host to our guests, as is your obligation per the responsibility you accepted which also includes working in cooperation with myself and the others such as Regulus, Piscinus, Scholastica, and yes, Maior; all have been a great source of support to me and have worked as hard as I have.
> Selflessly, without having to have their names posted, in other words without recognition. If you are unable to do this then I expect you to have the maturity, dignity and wisdom to step down and allow us to continue to put the final touches on the Conventus without anymore of your temper tantrums and leveling abusive words towards those who are making this Conventus a reality.
> I cannot speak for Caesar but perhaps if those people he put so much trust in had done their jobs he would be active right now. I do recognize and know that Caesar had worked diligently and persistently to get this Conventus done this year. He did this for all Novi Romani. I will not say why he has been absent, this is not my place but I can say he has contributed a great deal.
>
> Your only positive contribution thus far has been to offer some topics to be discussed. After I set a deadline.
> With just a little more than a week before the Conventus, an attempt was made to contribute in the guise of topics to fill in any gaps.
> The topics being:
> Certamen - a quiz game based on Roman topics. I can make some stuff if the group wants.
> Roman food topics with already preset examples.
> Talking about our personal religious experiences.
> Talking about how we can improve NR.
>
> All in all these are fine. But it is not enough to just present some of these topics; the presentations must also accompany them. Who is going to do the work needed to present and implement them? The rest of us are taxed to the max.
>
> The last suggestion gives the biggest hint to some of the problems here in Nova Roma:
> *Talk about* how we can improve NR.
> Poplicola you do an awful lot of talking but none of the work. Those who are working do not have time to talk.
> Why?
> Because they are working.
> Thanklessly it appears but we do not need thanks because the work itself should be a pleasure and rewarding – but much of the work is halted because of those who talk and talk and talk ad nauseum.
> It's sickening.
> After a while people stop listening to the nonsense.
> The bloviators lose credibility.
> At one point in time I sat silently and watched while a bloviating brood talked about some business plan they had in their head –they pompously expounded that this was what was needed and the Cohors are not doing anything about it.
> Earlier in the year I spent several days' worth of my spare time preparing a preliminary professional business plan of several pages with several sections – each of which designed to be the basis for development of a larger most comprehensive plan for each sub-entity within Nova Roma. Which includes many ways to bring much needed funding into NR.
> It has been sitting since March because of the obstructive antics of a few who are more talk than action – or if they do take action it is harmful. Who had the time to get the work done? Many on the teams, the leading Magistrates and their scribae, were too busy being engaged in obstructive games of the bloviators.
> We are continually obstructed by the bloviators who think their words are sparkling gems and this is their contribution – sitting at their computers with too much time on their hands typing out little black marks rather than actual elbow grease and teamwork.
> Those who become part of the bloviating brood are working parallel to Nova Roma.
> They are not interested in team work and progress, if they were they would find a way to continue to offer their ideas and yet work within a team and work towards the Respublica rather than creating ways to wreck havoc.
> Through cooperation and team work one earns trust and through that trust one's ideas become credible. It will not work the other way around. Pushing one's ideas at a society pushes that society away.
>
> I am finished. I have work to do.
> That is all I have to say on the subject.
>
> Vale optime di te incolumes custodiant
>
> L. Iulia Aquila
>
> P.S. As I completed this entry I understand Poplicola gave up and left. No matter… I am certain he will get the message. While I had preferred he would have left with dignity and maturity – quite frankly I am tired of having to babysit other's children. Yet I wish him all the good fortune the world has to offer.
>

Cn. Iulius Caesar SPD.

I thank Iulia for being discreet as always. I was earlier indisposed due to
a recurring illness and latterly this month due to an ongoing very intensive
specific work commitment, which has extended to all hours and days, and
which has restricted my posting ability and frequency. I have been
monitoring the progress of the Conventus, Senate etc. however and Iulia has
provided the very necessary cohesion and organization to ensure that the
Conventus translates into a practical reality. I thank her for her kind
words regarding my efforts, and for all her hard work. I also recognize
everyone's efforts to make this happen. Sometimes the commitments that
people make on a cohors cannot be fulfilled simply due to unforeseen
circumstances, and therefore I am grateful for everyone who has been
involved throughout this process. Every idea, suggestion etc. has helped.

And now work calls - another early start and tedious hours out on the road.
Responses to bleating, moaning and verbal egg throwing (from other
quarters - not Iulia or my cohors) will therefore be both ignored and
unanswered. :)

Optime valete.


From: L Julia Aquila
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:14 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order!


<<I cannot speak for Caesar but perhaps if those people he put so much trust
in had done their jobs he would be active right now. I do recognize and know
that Caesar had worked diligently and persistently to get this Conventus
done this year. He did this for all Novi Romani. I will not say why he has
been absent, this is not my place but I can say he has contributed a great
deal.>>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Sempronio Regulo salutem dicit

I'm a far cry from a classical Gnostic!  Monistic - absolutely, but a dualist no.  This is my departure from classical Gnosticism.  The text, The Secret Book of John, seems to allot for a monistic outlook but creates a dualist environment with the advent of the Demiurge - in that the created world is flawed.  There are "theological" ways around this, and I've been working through them.  I'm not a process fanatic, but I'm intrigued by it and think there is a lot there.  I also like Tillich and his systematic theology but am a long way from confessing any sort of Lutheranism (I find his existentialist theology intriguing).  I became interested in Tillich after reading "Immanent Divine" by John Thatamanil (someone from VDS).

I'd be interested in discussing this further either here or privately.  The problem with having an open disuscussion like this on the main list is that while some would be very interested in it others (like Sulla) would only use it as fodder to shout from the root-tops how UN-Roman I am... I'm used to it, but I'm sure others are getting bored by the rhetoric.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:20 PM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:

 

Salve, My door is always open. This household may be sloppy (overstuffed with things like books) but we hope the hospitality (sacred) is a total welcome from arrival to departure. There are a few who are my guests for this Conventus. My dear Marinus is always a welcomed guest. Plus, I'm a philosopher. I don't count who is approving or disapproving me.   What I don't get about you is how a gnostic can be a process person. Classical gnosticism is a dualism with matter being evil. Process philosophy is a neutral monism. What is the match up??? Please feel free to email me privately offlist if you want to discuss this. Vale, A. Sempronius Regulus

Salve, There are real live classical gnostics in California (one of the reasons, I've heard, that Kurt Rudolph went to UCSB). They are Mandaeans from Iraq. They got caught in the middle of the Iran-Iraq war in the 80s and a bunch of them moved to California -- including one gnostic bishop. Vale, A. Sempronius Regulus --- On Tue, 7/28/09, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote: From: David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order! To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 9:25 AM   Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Sempronio Regulo salutem dicit I'm a far cry from a classical Gnostic!  Monistic - absolutely, but a dualist no.  This is my departure from classical Gnosticism.  The text, The Secret Book of John, seems to allot for a monistic outlook but creates a dualist environment with the advent of the Demiurge - in that the created world is flawed.  There are "theological" ways around this, and I've been working through them.  I'm not a process fanatic, but I'm intrigued by it and think there is a lot there.  I also like Tillich and his systematic theology but am a long way from confessing any sort of Lutheranism (I find his existentialist theology intriguing).  I became interested in Tillich after reading "Immanent Divine" by John Thatamanil (someone from VDS). I'd be interested in discussing this further either here or privately.  The problem with having an open disuscussion like this on the main list is that while some would be very interested in it others (like Sulla) would only use it as fodder to shout from the root-tops how UN-Roman I am... I'm used to it, but I'm sure others are getting bored by the rhetoric. Vale; Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:20 PM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius. regulus@yahoo. com> wrote:   Salve, My door is always open. This household may be sloppy (overstuffed with things like books) but we hope the hospitality (sacred) is a total welcome from arrival to departure. There are a few who are my guests for this Conventus. My dear Marinus is always a welcomed guest. Plus, I'm a philosopher. I don't count who is approving or disapproving me.   What I don't get about you is how a gnostic can be a process person. Classical gnosticism is a dualism with matter being evil. Process philosophy is a neutral monism. What is the match up??? Please feel free to email me privately offlist if you want to discuss this. Vale, A. Sempronius Regulus

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Sempronio Regulo salutem dicit

Are you referring to Stephen Hoeller of the Ecclesia Gnostica?  He has a fairly decent book on Gnosticism out, and while I don't know him personally I'm aquinted with some folks who do know him.  Not many of us floating around.

I wrote a paper on the Mandaeans in college, an independent study, and found them fascinating.  Their plight is very very unfortunate, and sad.

Vale;

Modianus

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:35 AM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:

 

Salve, There are real live classical gnostics in California (one of the reasons, I've heard, that Kurt Rudolph went to UCSB). They are Mandaeans from Iraq. They got caught in the middle of the Iran-Iraq war in the 80s and a bunch of them moved to California -- including one gnostic bishop. Vale, A. Sempronius Regulus

Salve, No. I also have not heard of that book. I was in California when the Mandaeans began to arrive. BTW, there are still some Manichaeans in Central Asia. At first sight, you might think they are Tantric Buddhists or some kind of Bon, but they are gnostics. Their beliefs and iconography look Buddhist except that the Adi Buddha is Yama. There is a "fall" and the fivefold Yama Adi Buddha becomes the realm of samsaric death (Yama's Wheel). Yama regained his enlightenment but we are fragments of his fivefold "limbs" who have yet to become enlightened and free. There is also a primordial god of light and his evil twin. The twin has been defeated but the legacy of his "poison" is within us and is what we need to inwardly overcome to return to the light. Vale, A. Sempronius Regulus --- On Tue, 7/28/09, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote: From: David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order! To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 11:50 AM   Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Sempronio Regulo salutem dicit Are you referring to Stephen Hoeller of the Ecclesia Gnostica?  He has a fairly decent book on Gnosticism out, and while I don't know him personally I'm aquinted with some folks who do know him.  Not many of us floating around. I wrote a paper on the Mandaeans in college, an independent study, and found them fascinating.  Their plight is very very unfortunate, and sad. Vale; Modianus On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:35 AM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius. regulus@yahoo. com> wrote:   Salve, There are real live classical gnostics in California (one of the reasons, I've heard, that Kurt Rudolph went to UCSB). They are Mandaeans from Iraq. They got caught in the middle of the Iran-Iraq war in the 80s and a bunch of them moved to California -- including one gnostic bishop. Vale, A. Sempronius Regulus

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Salvete!

Hodiernus dis est ante diem V Kalendas Sextilis; haec dies comitialis est.

"No soft breeze with its cool breath relieves our breasts that pant with heat, no gentle Zephyrus blows; but Titan [Helios the sun] augments the scorching dog-stars's [Sirius'] fires, close-pressing upon the Nemean Lion's back. Water has fled the streams, and from the herbage verdure. Dirce is dry, scant flows Ismenus' stream, and with its meagre wave scarce wets the naked sands." - Seneca, Oedipus 37ff

We are in the midst of what the ancients called the Caniculares dies - the "dog days" of Summer. The Romans calculated the dog days by the rising of Sirius, the Dog Star, and generally they lasted from about 23/24 July until 23/24 August (a.d. X Kal. Sext. - a.d. X Kal. Sept.). The name of the star Sirius comes from the Greek word seirius meaning "searing" or "scorching", highly appropriate for something so brilliant. In Greek times its rising at dawn just before the Sun marked the start of the hottest part of the summer, a time that hence became known as the Dog Days. "It barks forth flame and doubles the burning heat of the Sun", said Manilius, expressing a belief held by the Greeks and Romans that the star had a heating effect. The ancient Greek writer Hesiod wrote of "heads and limbs drained dry by Sirius", and Virgil in the Georgics said that "the torrid Dog Star cracks the fields". Even though the name Sirius was known to Hesiod, Ptolemy in the Almagest called it simply "the Dog".

"That star [Sirius] which comes on in the autumn and whose conspicuous brightness far outshines the stars that are numbered in the night's darkening, the star they give the name of Orion's Dog (kynos Orionos), which is brightest among the stars, and yet is wrought as a sign of evil and brings on the great fever for unfortunate mortals." - Homer, Iliad 22.26ff

"Wet your lungs with wine: the dogstar, Seirios, is coming round, the season is harsh, everything is thirsty under the heat, the cicada sings sweetly from the leaves .. the artichoke is in flower; now are women most pesilential, but men are feeble, since Sirios parches their heads and knees." - Alcaeus, Fragment 347 (trans. Campbell)

"And now Sirius (the Dog Star), fiercely parching the thirsty Indians, was ablaze in heaven, and the fiery Sun had consumed half his course; the grass was withering and the hollow streams, in their parched throats, were scorched and baked by the rays down to the slime." - Vergil, Georgics 2.425ff

"Twas the season when the vault of heaven bends its most scorching heat upon the earth, and Sirius the Dog-star smitten by Hyperion's [the sun's] full might pitilessly burns the panting fields." - Statius, Silvae 3.1.5ff

The dog days were considered the most miserable time of year, with scorching heat and heavy humid air, when crops and nature withered under the blast furnace of a dull sky. Sirius was thought to be one of several dogs.

Maera, the dog who loved his master Icarus: after Icarus had revealed the secret of wine to some shepherds of Attica (having received wine directly from the hand of Bacchus Himself), the shepherds thought they had been poisoned and they killed Icarus. The murderers escaped, but Maera howled and mourned and dragged the girl Erigone to the spot (either a well or under a tree) where Icarus' body had been hidden. Erigone was so overcome by sadness that she hung herself from the tree, and Maera refused food and water and also died. Iuppiter, in honor of their steadfastness, placed them in the heavens.

Another account says that it is Laelaps, the dog given by Iuppiter to Europa, whose son Minos, King of Crete, passed it on to Procris. The dog was presented to her along with a javelin that could never miss; this turned out to be an unlucky gift, for her husband Cephalus accidentally killed her with it while out hunting.

Cephalus inherited the dog, and took it with him to Thebes (not Thebes in Egypt but a town in Boeotia, north of Athens) where a vicious fox was ravaging the countryside. The fox was so swift of foot that it was destined never to be caught – yet Laelaps the hound was destined to catch whatever it pursued. Off they went, almost faster than the eye could follow, the inescapable dog in pursuit of the uncatchable fox. At one moment the dog would seem to have its prey within grasp, but could only close its jaws on thin air as the fox raced ahead of it again. There could be no resolution of such a paradox, so Zeus turned them both to stone, and the dog he placed in the sky as Canis Major, without the fox.

Valete!

Cato

Salve,
 
Regulus certainly is a scholar of the highest merit, at least according to his opinions here; I can see why his work impresses so many in NR.  Maybe he could include a presentation at the Conventus regarding the evolution of sexism from Roman times to Regulus, wherein he could discuss how his mysogonistic characterization of Modianus as effeminate is somehow related to a mass of Indo-European textbook literature he'll copy and paste at random from Wikipedia :) 
 
 

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: tau.athanasios@...
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:05:23 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order!



Ouch!!  Someone just got pwned!

My respect for you Regulus just went up!  I am now doubly sad that I'm not able to attend the conventus, but hope you'll invite me for another visit in the future.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:56 PM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:

 

A young irresponsible pup speaks his "mind".   It lacks the maturity for graduate school (oh, forgot, following on girlfriend's qualifications -- not your own). Good luck in graduate school. I'm sure you will find some excuse. And, BTW, you abandoned all responsibility to make this Conventus happen and I have it from our PM that you just dumped the rituals, suddenly, in his lap. So, you are piss and vinegar or weak sexually: you have no committed follow thru nor ability to. Iulia organized this damn thing at the midnight hour and all you, personally did, was berate her. It strikes me as the behaviour of an impotent male beating up his female companion because of his own inability to be a man (sexually, ethically, graduate school on your own merits).

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Salve;
I would love to meet a live Manichean, that's exciting. I just saw the manuscript in Dublin...
Regule, I've heard it posited that Amitabha Buddha which emerged from Afghanistan has a Zoroastrian origin. Do you know about that?

And in response to Gualtere; this is a perfect example of religion crossing borders and maintaining forms.

Japanese esoteric Buddhists (Shingon, Tendai etc) worship Indian deities under Japanese names, perform homa (goma) rituals, chant Sanskrit (japanised) mantras, employ Indian mudras. You can read about it in books, or assist as I have when I trained. These traditions were imported to Japan about 1000 C.E. from India via China. The Esoteric lineage was extinguished in China during the Tang dynasty but survived in Japan and naturally in India, Tibet too. But Japan has kept this tradition as a living one for over 1,000 years.


Sure some of the form is different and assimilated with native Shinto but so much is still there, and there is no linguistic relationship as there is with Latin and Sanskrit...
optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior

> Salve,
> No. I also have not heard of that book. I was in California when the Mandaeans began to arrive. BTW, there are still some Manichaeans in Central Asia. At first sight, you might think they are Tantric Buddhists or some kind of Bon, but they are gnostics. Their beliefs and iconography look Buddhist except that the Adi Buddha is Yama. There is a "fall" and the fivefold Yama Adi Buddha becomes the realm of samsaric death (Yama's Wheel). Yama regained his enlightenment but we are fragments of his fivefold "limbs" who have yet to become enlightened and free. There is also a primordial god of light and his evil twin. The twin has been defeated but the legacy of his "poison" is within us and is what we need to inwardly overcome to return to the light.
> Vale,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>
> --- On Tue, 7/28/09, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order!
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 11:50 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Sempronio Regulo salutem dicit
>
> Are you referring to Stephen Hoeller of the Ecclesia Gnostica?  He has a fairly decent book on Gnosticism out, and while I don't know him personally I'm aquinted with some folks who do know him.  Not many of us floating around.
>
> I wrote a paper on the Mandaeans in college, an independent study, and found them fascinating.  Their plight is very very unfortunate, and sad.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:35 AM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius. regulus@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salve,
> There are real live classical gnostics in California (one of the reasons, I've heard, that Kurt Rudolph went to UCSB). They are Mandaeans from Iraq. They got caught in the middle of the Iran-Iraq war in the 80s and a bunch of them moved to California -- including one gnostic bishop.
>
> Vale,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>

The coming Buddha, Maitreya Buddha, is a re-working of Mithra. And a lot of Zoroastrian influence is present in the Central Asian Tantric Buddhism. Dzog chen is supposed to have come from Persia and Zoroastrian sources -- Bon is very explicit about this. I've heard the claim about Amitabha but have not seen or don't remember the discussion or evidence.   I would look in Snellgrove's two volume study, Indo-Tibetan Buddhism. Tucci also has a discussion of Zoroastrian influence on Tantric Buddhism.    If I remember correctly, it was the Manichaeans that first invented the pocket book with water marks and high quality illuminated miniatures as a means to certify that the book was really a Manichaean work and not a fake..   --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote: From: Maior <rory12001@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order! To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 6:34 PM   Salve; I would love to meet a live Manichean, that's exciting. I just saw the manuscript in Dublin... Regule, I've heard it posited that Amitabha Buddha which emerged from Afghanistan has a Zoroastrian origin. Do you know about that? And in response to Gualtere; this is a perfect example of religion crossing borders and maintaining forms. Japanese esoteric Buddhists (Shingon, Tendai etc) worship Indian deities under Japanese names, perform homa (goma) rituals, chant Sanskrit (japanised) mantras, employ Indian mudras. You can read about it in books, or assist as I have when I trained. These traditions were imported to Japan about 1000 C.E. from India via China. The Esoteric lineage was extinguished in China during the Tang dynasty but survived in Japan and naturally in India, Tibet too. But Japan has kept this tradition as a living one for over 1,000 years. Sure some of the form is different and assimilated with native Shinto but so much is still there, and there is no linguistic relationship as there is with Latin and Sanskrit... optime vale M. Hortensia Maior > Salve, > No. I also have not heard of that book. I was in California when the Mandaeans began to arrive. BTW, there are still some Manichaeans in Central Asia. At first sight, you might think they are Tantric Buddhists or some kind of Bon, but they are gnostics. Their beliefs and iconography look Buddhist except that the Adi Buddha is Yama. There is a "fall" and the fivefold Yama Adi Buddha becomes the realm of samsaric death (Yama's Wheel). Yama regained his enlightenment but we are fragments of his fivefold "limbs" who have yet to become enlightened and free. There is also a primordial god of light and his evil twin. The twin has been defeated but the legacy of his "poison" is within us and is what we need to inwardly overcome to return to the light. > Vale, > A. Sempronius Regulus > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, David Kling <tau.athanasios@ ...> wrote: > > > From: David Kling <tau.athanasios@ ...> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Calling the Senate to Order! > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 11:50 AM > > >   > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Sempronio Regulo salutem dicit > > Are you referring to Stephen Hoeller of the Ecclesia Gnostica?  He has a fairly decent book on Gnosticism out, and while I don't know him personally I'm aquinted with some folks who do know him.  Not many of us floating around. > > I wrote a paper on the Mandaeans in college, an independent study, and found them fascinating.  Their plight is very very unfortunate, and sad. > > Vale; > > Modianus > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:35 AM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius. regulus@yahoo. com> wrote: > > >   > > > > > > > > > Salve, > There are real live classical gnostics in California (one of the reasons, I've heard, that Kurt Rudolph went to UCSB). They are Mandaeans from Iraq. They got caught in the middle of the Iran-Iraq war in the 80s and a bunch of them moved to California -- including one gnostic bishop. > > Vale, > A. Sempronius Regulus >

Salvete,   The play is lila. Maya is the magical power (in Advaita, it means illusion). Prakriti is shakti dormant, kriya and karma are the activation of prakriti. Shakti of Brahma is Saraswati (goddess of wisdom and Vac, the divine word that embodies iksana, the divine vision-plan for a world manifestation. Iksana is also the yolk inside the golden egg hirangharbha out of which Prajapati-Brahma is born), shakti of Visnu is Lakshmi, and shakti of Siva is Parvati-Kali (she has her bad days), except the Sakta sect, where the goddess is supreme and Siva is derivative. Brahman originally meant "great-making power" or "to swell". The word brag is cognate to it. Its verbal form originally applied to mantras that had evocative power and to that phase of pregnancy where a woman is glowing on a hormone high as the smug picture of overabundant health. Interesting enough, sunya (sunyata) originally appied to pregnancy also so its connotation carries associations of creative and pregnant with potentiality. Then warriors used brahman as a way of speaking of their true boasts. Finally, it was used as that network of relationships that mutually sustain the vitality of creation which finally developed into the spirit behind and within creation.   Now if someone wants easy; Russian. It has no articles.   --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote: From: Maior <rory12001@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:24 AM   Maior Gualtero Sempronio Scholasticae spd; Semproni no no; it's Maya, the world as blissful play of Shakti;-)! Gualtere, why are you so averse to Sanskrit? I studied it a bit when I had the flu some years ago and it was fine; complex and fine:) But as we've been discussing Indo-Aryan religion is the deep origin of the religio and frankly as Sempronius Regulus indicated the Western Mithras cult. So I don't see how you'd want to do without it. Especially for Mithras. optime vale Maior - In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius. regulus@. ..> wrote: > > Sanskrit, then all seems a blissful dream. > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@... > wrote: > > > From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@... > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:29 AM > > >   > > > > Salve, > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus, sociis, > > > > ATS: I am not surprised that this is a bit frightening. Greek is a > > > beautiful and rich language, whose grammar and vocabulary make Latin look like > > > a piece of cake. > > I'm glad someone agrees with me! Greek is a beautiful language and really makes Latin seem simple. My advice for a long time has been to learn Greek first and then Latin, and then you will appreciate Latin all the more! > > Vale, > > Gualterus >

Apparently, people are so focused on posting that they are neglecting
subject lines, so I am changing them to something more appropriate, as I
find them.

Valete Bene,
C. Maria Caeca

Salvete,

Cato, thank you so very much for the more than accurate description of
Atlanta, at the moment!

Valete Bene,
C. Maria Caeca

Salvete;
thanks for the correction I'd meant the world as play from a Shakta pov; the Shakta tantras are related to the ones I had started to study and practice. Kali can have a headache;-)

Sunyata, now that's fascinating as I asked the young Japanese priest (esoteric specialist) precisely about that and he and I had the same idea that Sunyata was energy and the various gods, such as Fudo Myo (Acalantha) manifested out of this energy. My buddhism prof at Duke almost had a spasm at the mention that young educated people actually performed magical ceremonies and believed the deities were present.

Fascinating about brag; I've found mantras very helpful and powerful.
I'll go look at the references you suggested. I do know Amitabha Buddha originated in Afghanistan and has blue eyes. He also rules a Western paradise.
Amazing how this is considered an eastern religion;-)
optime vale
Maior

>  
> The play is lila. Maya is the magical power (in Advaita, it means illusion).. Prakriti is shakti dormant, kriya and karma are the activation of prakriti. Shakti of Brahma is Saraswati (goddess of wisdom and Vac, the divine word that embodies iksana, the divine vision-plan for a world manifestation. Iksana is also the yolk inside the golden egg hirangharbha out of which Prajapati-Brahma is born), shakti of Visnu is Lakshmi, and shakti of Siva is Parvati-Kali (she has her bad days), except the Sakta sect, where the goddess is supreme and Siva is derivative. Brahman originally meant "great-making power" or "to swell". The word brag is cognate to it. Its verbal form originally applied to mantras that had evocative power and to that phase of pregnancy where a woman is glowing on a hormone high as the smug picture of overabundant health. Interesting enough, sunya (sunyata) originally appied to pregnancy also so its connotation carries associations of creative
> and pregnant with potentiality. Then warriors used brahman as a way of speaking of their true boasts. Finally, it was used as that network of relationships that mutually sustain the vitality of creation which finally developed into the spirit behind and within creation.
>  
> Now if someone wants easy; Russian. It has no articles.
>  
>
> --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Maior <rory12001@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:24 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Maior Gualtero Sempronio Scholasticae spd;
> Semproni no no; it's Maya, the world as blissful play of Shakti;-)!
>
> Gualtere, why are you so averse to Sanskrit? I studied it a bit when I had the flu some years ago and it was fine; complex and fine:) But as we've been discussing Indo-Aryan religion is the deep origin of the religio and frankly as Sempronius Regulus indicated the Western Mithras cult.
> So I don't see how you'd want to do without it. Especially for Mithras.
> optime vale
> Maior
>
> - In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius. regulus@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Sanskrit, then all seems a blissful dream.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@ >
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:29 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus, sociis,
> >
> > > > ATS: I am not surprised that this is a bit frightening. Greek is a
> > > > beautiful and rich language, whose grammar and vocabulary make Latin look like
> > > > a piece of cake.
> >
> > I'm glad someone agrees with me! Greek is a beautiful language and really makes Latin seem simple. My advice for a long time has been to learn Greek first and then Latin, and then you will appreciate Latin all the more!
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Gualterus
> >
>

Sunyata is the flipside of dependent co-origination; it means there is no substantive self-existence (nonsvabhava) apart from the ecology of interdependent relationships that make up a universe or buddhafield. Thus, sunyata is the emptiness of form from having any other type of being than its interdependent relations with all other forms. Since all forms are empty (sunya), they are creatively potent (sunya) of transformative energy. That is why the five elements, the five tathagata buddhas, are ultimately the five lights or wisdoms. I have about three shelves on Madhyamaka in the downstairs family room.    --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote: From: Maior <rory12001@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:54 PM   Salvete; thanks for the correction I'd meant the world as play from a Shakta pov; the Shakta tantras are related to the ones I had started to study and practice. Kali can have a headache;-) Sunyata, now that's fascinating as I asked the young Japanese priest (esoteric specialist) precisely about that and he and I had the same idea that Sunyata was energy and the various gods, such as Fudo Myo (Acalantha) manifested out of this energy. My buddhism prof at Duke almost had a spasm at the mention that young educated people actually performed magical ceremonies and believed the deities were present. Fascinating about brag; I've found mantras very helpful and powerful. I'll go look at the references you suggested. I do know Amitabha Buddha originated in Afghanistan and has blue eyes. He also rules a Western paradise. Amazing how this is considered an eastern religion;-) optime vale Maior >   > The play is lila. Maya is the magical power (in Advaita, it means illusion).. Prakriti is shakti dormant, kriya and karma are the activation of prakriti. Shakti of Brahma is Saraswati (goddess of wisdom and Vac, the divine word that embodies iksana, the divine vision-plan for a world manifestation. Iksana is also the yolk inside the golden egg hirangharbha out of which Prajapati-Brahma is born), shakti of Visnu is Lakshmi, and shakti of Siva is Parvati-Kali (she has her bad days), except the Sakta sect, where the goddess is supreme and Siva is derivative. Brahman originally meant "great-making power" or "to swell". The word brag is cognate to it. Its verbal form originally applied to mantras that had evocative power and to that phase of pregnancy where a woman is glowing on a hormone high as the smug picture of overabundant health. Interesting enough, sunya (sunyata) originally appied to pregnancy also so its connotation carries associations of creative > and pregnant with potentiality. Then warriors used brahman as a way of speaking of their true boasts. Finally, it was used as that network of relationships that mutually sustain the vitality of creation which finally developed into the spirit behind and within creation. >   > Now if someone wants easy; Russian. It has no articles. >   > > --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Maior <rory12001@. ..> wrote: > > > From: Maior <rory12001@. ..> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:24 AM > > >   > > > > Maior Gualtero Sempronio Scholasticae spd; > Semproni no no; it's Maya, the world as blissful play of Shakti;-)! > > Gualtere, why are you so averse to Sanskrit? I studied it a bit when I had the flu some years ago and it was fine; complex and fine:) But as we've been discussing Indo-Aryan religion is the deep origin of the religio and frankly as Sempronius Regulus indicated the Western Mithras cult. > So I don't see how you'd want to do without it. Especially for Mithras. > optime vale > Maior > > - In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius. regulus@ ..> wrote: > > > > Sanskrit, then all seems a blissful dream. > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@ > wrote: > > > > > > From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@ > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > > Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:29 AM > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > Salve, > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus, sociis, > > > > > > ATS: I am not surprised that this is a bit frightening. Greek is a > > > > beautiful and rich language, whose grammar and vocabulary make Latin look like > > > > a piece of cake. > > > > I'm glad someone agrees with me! Greek is a beautiful language and really makes Latin seem simple. My advice for a long time has been to learn Greek first and then Latin, and then you will appreciate Latin all the more! > > > > Vale, > > > > Gualterus > > >

Now, I'm really looking forward to the Conventus; rituals and a library;-)
I'm reading an interesting book on the Roman gods that discusses the entire topic in terms of spatial foci and urbanization. And he very interestingly discussess Indian and Zoroastrian cults that way back when they were semi-nomadic elaborate rituals but no temples and statues. With cities come both..hm interesting.

Miroku, Japanese Maitreya Buddha, lives in Tushita heaven and is worshipped in Japan. So there you go, the enourmous spread and influence of culture.
It was at the Chester Beatty Library in Dublin, of all places, that has manichaean texts, which I think I saw
http://www.cbl.ie/Collections/The-Western-Collection/Papyri/Manichaean.aspx
optime vale
Maior

> Sunyata is the flipside of dependent co-origination; it means there is no substantive self-existence (nonsvabhava) apart from the ecology of interdependent relationships that make up a universe or buddhafield. Thus, sunyata is the emptiness of form from having any other type of being than its interdependent relations with all other forms. Since all forms are empty (sunya), they are creatively potent (sunya) of transformative energy. That is why the five elements, the five tathagata buddhas, are ultimately the five lights or wisdoms. I have about three shelves on Madhyamaka in the downstairs family room. 
>  
>
> --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Maior <rory12001@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:54 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Salvete;
> thanks for the correction I'd meant the world as play from a Shakta pov; the Shakta tantras are related to the ones I had started to study and practice. Kali can have a headache;-)
>
> Sunyata, now that's fascinating as I asked the young Japanese priest (esoteric specialist) precisely about that and he and I had the same idea that Sunyata was energy and the various gods, such as Fudo Myo (Acalantha) manifested out of this energy. My buddhism prof at Duke almost had a spasm at the mention that young educated people actually performed magical ceremonies and believed the deities were present.
>
> Fascinating about brag; I've found mantras very helpful and powerful.
> I'll go look at the references you suggested. I do know Amitabha Buddha originated in Afghanistan and has blue eyes. He also rules a Western paradise.
> Amazing how this is considered an eastern religion;-)
> optime vale
> Maior
>
> >  
> > The play is lila. Maya is the magical power (in Advaita, it means illusion).. Prakriti is shakti dormant, kriya and karma are the activation of prakriti. Shakti of Brahma is Saraswati (goddess of wisdom and Vac, the divine word that embodies iksana, the divine vision-plan for a world manifestation. Iksana is also the yolk inside the golden egg hirangharbha out of which Prajapati-Brahma is born), shakti of Visnu is Lakshmi, and shakti of Siva is Parvati-Kali (she has her bad days), except the Sakta sect, where the goddess is supreme and Siva is derivative. Brahman originally meant "great-making power" or "to swell". The word brag is cognate to it. Its verbal form originally applied to mantras that had evocative power and to that phase of pregnancy where a woman is glowing on a hormone high as the smug picture of overabundant health. Interesting enough, sunya (sunyata) originally appied to pregnancy also so its connotation carries associations of
> creative
> > and pregnant with potentiality. Then warriors used brahman as a way of speaking of their true boasts. Finally, it was used as that network of relationships that mutually sustain the vitality of creation which finally developed into the spirit behind and within creation.
> >  
> > Now if someone wants easy; Russian. It has no articles.
> >  
> >
> > --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Maior <rory12001@ ..> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Maior <rory12001@ ..>
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:24 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Maior Gualtero Sempronio Scholasticae spd;
> > Semproni no no; it's Maya, the world as blissful play of Shakti;-)!
> >
> > Gualtere, why are you so averse to Sanskrit? I studied it a bit when I had the flu some years ago and it was fine; complex and fine:) But as we've been discussing Indo-Aryan religion is the deep origin of the religio and frankly as Sempronius Regulus indicated the Western Mithras cult.
> > So I don't see how you'd want to do without it. Especially for Mithras.
> > optime vale
> > Maior
> >
> > - In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius. regulus@ ..> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sanskrit, then all seems a blissful dream.
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@ > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@ >
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:29 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus, sociis,
> > >
> > > > > ATS: I am not surprised that this is a bit frightening. Greek is a
> > > > > beautiful and rich language, whose grammar and vocabulary make Latin look like
> > > > > a piece of cake.
> > >
> > > I'm glad someone agrees with me! Greek is a beautiful language and really makes Latin seem simple. My advice for a long time has been to learn Greek first and then Latin, and then you will appreciate Latin all the more!
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Gualterus
> > >
> >
>

Salve, et salvete omnes   After the Conventus, I think I shall get busy on the Wiki Philosophy pages and Reading List. One section I might add is the Graco-Roman interaction with the east. For example, Eudoxes (a teacher of Plato and Pliny the Elder praise Zoroastrian philosophy. A Zoroastrian philosopher became friends and permanent houseguest of Solon. He is credited with being one of the founders, even though it was a Socratic school, of the Cynics.   But it runs the other way as well. Iranians and Indians were translating and reading Graeco-Roman philosophy: Parmenides, Pythagoras, Empedocles, Plato and Platonists, Aristotle, and the late Stoa (after Poseidonis) - Epictetus, Rufinus, Seneca, and Marcus Aurelius. Plus, one may exist somewhere in Nova Roma that I don't know about, maybe there should be a sodality promoting local and regular face to face NR interaction.   Vale, et valete omnes, ASR   --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote: From: Maior <rory12001@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 9:57 PM   Now, I'm really looking forward to the Conventus; rituals and a library;-) I'm reading an interesting book on the Roman gods that discusses the entire topic in terms of spatial foci and urbanization. And he very interestingly discussess Indian and Zoroastrian cults that way back when they were semi-nomadic elaborate rituals but no temples and statues. With cities come both..hm interesting. Miroku, Japanese Maitreya Buddha, lives in Tushita heaven and is worshipped in Japan. So there you go, the enourmous spread and influence of culture. It was at the Chester Beatty Library in Dublin, of all places, that has manichaean texts, which I think I saw http://www.cbl. ie/Collections/ The-Western- Collection/ Papyri/Manichaea n.aspx optime vale Maior > Sunyata is the flipside of dependent co-origination; it means there is no substantive self-existence (nonsvabhava) apart from the ecology of interdependent relationships that make up a universe or buddhafield. Thus, sunyata is the emptiness of form from having any other type of being than its interdependent relations with all other forms. Since all forms are empty (sunya), they are creatively potent (sunya) of transformative energy. That is why the five elements, the five tathagata buddhas, are ultimately the five lights or wisdoms. I have about three shelves on Madhyamaka in the downstairs family room.  >   > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Maior <rory12001@. ..> wrote: > > > From: Maior <rory12001@. ..> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:54 PM > > >   > > > > Salvete; > thanks for the correction I'd meant the world as play from a Shakta pov; the Shakta tantras are related to the ones I had started to study and practice. Kali can have a headache;-) > > Sunyata, now that's fascinating as I asked the young Japanese priest (esoteric specialist) precisely about that and he and I had the same idea that Sunyata was energy and the various gods, such as Fudo Myo (Acalantha) manifested out of this energy. My buddhism prof at Duke almost had a spasm at the mention that young educated people actually performed magical ceremonies and believed the deities were present. > > Fascinating about brag; I've found mantras very helpful and powerful. > I'll go look at the references you suggested. I do know Amitabha Buddha originated in Afghanistan and has blue eyes. He also rules a Western paradise. > Amazing how this is considered an eastern religion;-) > optime vale > Maior > > >   > > The play is lila. Maya is the magical power (in Advaita, it means illusion).. Prakriti is shakti dormant, kriya and karma are the activation of prakriti. Shakti of Brahma is Saraswati (goddess of wisdom and Vac, the divine word that embodies iksana, the divine vision-plan for a world manifestation. Iksana is also the yolk inside the golden egg hirangharbha out of which Prajapati-Brahma is born), shakti of Visnu is Lakshmi, and shakti of Siva is Parvati-Kali (she has her bad days), except the Sakta sect, where the goddess is supreme and Siva is derivative. Brahman originally meant "great-making power" or "to swell". The word brag is cognate to it. Its verbal form originally applied to mantras that had evocative power and to that phase of pregnancy where a woman is glowing on a hormone high as the smug picture of overabundant health. Interesting enough, sunya (sunyata) originally appied to pregnancy also so its connotation carries associations of > creative > > and pregnant with potentiality.. Then warriors used brahman as a way of speaking of their true boasts. Finally, it was used as that network of relationships that mutually sustain the vitality of creation which finally developed into the spirit behind and within creation. > >   > > Now if someone wants easy; Russian. It has no articles. > >   > > > > --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Maior <rory12001@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > From: Maior <rory12001@ ..> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > > Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:24 AM > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > Maior Gualtero Sempronio Scholasticae spd; > > Semproni no no; it's Maya, the world as blissful play of Shakti;-)! > > > > Gualtere, why are you so averse to Sanskrit? I studied it a bit when I had the flu some years ago and it was fine; complex and fine:) But as we've been discussing Indo-Aryan religion is the deep origin of the religio and frankly as Sempronius Regulus indicated the Western Mithras cult. > > So I don't see how you'd want to do without it. Especially for Mithras. > > optime vale > > Maior > > > > - In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius. regulus@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Sanskrit, then all seems a blissful dream. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@ > > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > > > Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:29 AM > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > Salve, > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus, sociis, > > > > > > > > ATS: I am not surprised that this is a bit frightening. Greek is a > > > > > beautiful and rich language, whose grammar and vocabulary make Latin look like > > > > > a piece of cake. > > > > > > I'm glad someone agrees with me! Greek is a beautiful language and really makes Latin seem simple. My advice for a long time has been to learn Greek first and then Latin, and then you will appreciate Latin all the more! > > > > > > Vale, > > > > > > Gualterus > > > > > >

Salve,   You spoke of a Duke professor surprised at students practicing magic and diety yoga.   In the early 70s, I was invited by Geshe Sopa's group in Madison, WS, to a Tibetan monk competition in yogic heat. The competition was in the dead of winter on the Great Lakes, Tibetan monks would wrap blankets around them that had been dipped in water and froze. The competition was how many blankets could the monks thaw and dry. That was awesome. The finalists were even more awesome. They had to do the same while by telekinesis support a rock in the air. I was actually scared down to my legs; I had to sit down to conceal the fact my legs were going to give way. I said "shit this is really real." --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote: From: Maior <rory12001@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 9:57 PM   Now, I'm really looking forward to the Conventus; rituals and a library;-) I'm reading an interesting book on the Roman gods that discusses the entire topic in terms of spatial foci and urbanization. And he very interestingly discussess Indian and Zoroastrian cults that way back when they were semi-nomadic elaborate rituals but no temples and statues. With cities come both..hm interesting. Miroku, Japanese Maitreya Buddha, lives in Tushita heaven and is worshipped in Japan. So there you go, the enourmous spread and influence of culture. It was at the Chester Beatty Library in Dublin, of all places, that has manichaean texts, which I think I saw http://www.cbl. ie/Collections/ The-Western- Collection/ Papyri/Manichaea n.aspx optime vale Maior > Sunyata is the flipside of dependent co-origination; it means there is no substantive self-existence (nonsvabhava) apart from the ecology of interdependent relationships that make up a universe or buddhafield. Thus, sunyata is the emptiness of form from having any other type of being than its interdependent relations with all other forms. Since all forms are empty (sunya), they are creatively potent (sunya) of transformative energy. That is why the five elements, the five tathagata buddhas, are ultimately the five lights or wisdoms. I have about three shelves on Madhyamaka in the downstairs family room.  >   > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Maior <rory12001@. ..> wrote: > > > From: Maior <rory12001@. ..> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:54 PM > > >   > > > > Salvete; > thanks for the correction I'd meant the world as play from a Shakta pov; the Shakta tantras are related to the ones I had started to study and practice. Kali can have a headache;-) > > Sunyata, now that's fascinating as I asked the young Japanese priest (esoteric specialist) precisely about that and he and I had the same idea that Sunyata was energy and the various gods, such as Fudo Myo (Acalantha) manifested out of this energy. My buddhism prof at Duke almost had a spasm at the mention that young educated people actually performed magical ceremonies and believed the deities were present. > > Fascinating about brag; I've found mantras very helpful and powerful. > I'll go look at the references you suggested. I do know Amitabha Buddha originated in Afghanistan and has blue eyes. He also rules a Western paradise. > Amazing how this is considered an eastern religion;-) > optime vale > Maior > > >   > > The play is lila. Maya is the magical power (in Advaita, it means illusion).. Prakriti is shakti dormant, kriya and karma are the activation of prakriti. Shakti of Brahma is Saraswati (goddess of wisdom and Vac, the divine word that embodies iksana, the divine vision-plan for a world manifestation. Iksana is also the yolk inside the golden egg hirangharbha out of which Prajapati-Brahma is born), shakti of Visnu is Lakshmi, and shakti of Siva is Parvati-Kali (she has her bad days), except the Sakta sect, where the goddess is supreme and Siva is derivative. Brahman originally meant "great-making power" or "to swell". The word brag is cognate to it. Its verbal form originally applied to mantras that had evocative power and to that phase of pregnancy where a woman is glowing on a hormone high as the smug picture of overabundant health. Interesting enough, sunya (sunyata) originally appied to pregnancy also so its connotation carries associations of > creative > > and pregnant with potentiality.. Then warriors used brahman as a way of speaking of their true boasts. Finally, it was used as that network of relationships that mutually sustain the vitality of creation which finally developed into the spirit behind and within creation. > >   > > Now if someone wants easy; Russian. It has no articles. > >   > > > > --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Maior <rory12001@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > From: Maior <rory12001@ ..> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > > Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:24 AM > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > Maior Gualtero Sempronio Scholasticae spd; > > Semproni no no; it's Maya, the world as blissful play of Shakti;-)! > > > > Gualtere, why are you so averse to Sanskrit? I studied it a bit when I had the flu some years ago and it was fine; complex and fine:) But as we've been discussing Indo-Aryan religion is the deep origin of the religio and frankly as Sempronius Regulus indicated the Western Mithras cult. > > So I don't see how you'd want to do without it. Especially for Mithras. > > optime vale > > Maior > > > > - In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius. regulus@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Sanskrit, then all seems a blissful dream. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@ > > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > > > Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:29 AM > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > Salve, > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus, sociis, > > > > > > > > ATS: I am not surprised that this is a bit frightening. Greek is a > > > > > beautiful and rich language, whose grammar and vocabulary make Latin look like > > > > > a piece of cake. > > > > > > I'm glad someone agrees with me! Greek is a beautiful language and really makes Latin seem simple. My advice for a long time has been to learn Greek first and then Latin, and then you will appreciate Latin all the more! > > > > > > Vale, > > > > > > Gualterus > > > > > >

Salve,   I will say that two of the long-lasting effects of that experience was -   1. It made a really cocky and skeptical youth, full of pranks against religious figures, take stock. 2. And it helped provide a BS filter when I lived in San Francisco with all sorts of "gurus" running around.   Vale, ASR --- On Tue, 7/28/09, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote: From: A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> Subject: Magic Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 11:59 PM   Salve,   You spoke of a Duke professor surprised at students practicing magic and diety yoga.   In the early 70s, I was invited by Geshe Sopa's group in Madison, WS, to a Tibetan monk competition in yogic heat. The competition was in the dead of winter on the Great Lakes, Tibetan monks would wrap blankets around them that had been dipped in water and froze. The competition was how many blankets could the monks thaw and dry. That was awesome. The finalists were even more awesome. They had to do the same while by telekinesis support a rock in the air. I was actually scared down to my legs; I had to sit down to conceal the fact my legs were going to give way. I said "shit this is really real." --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Maior <rory12001@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Maior <rory12001@yahoo. com> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 9:57 PM   Now, I'm really looking forward to the Conventus; rituals and a library;-) I'm reading an interesting book on the Roman gods that discusses the entire topic in terms of spatial foci and urbanization. And he very interestingly discussess Indian and Zoroastrian cults that way back when they were semi-nomadic elaborate rituals but no temples and statues. With cities come both..hm interesting. Miroku, Japanese Maitreya Buddha, lives in Tushita heaven and is worshipped in Japan. So there you go, the enourmous spread and influence of culture. It was at the Chester Beatty Library in Dublin, of all places, that has manichaean texts, which I think I saw http://www.cbl. ie/Collections/ The-Western- Collection/ Papyri/Manichaea n.aspx optime vale Maior > Sunyata is the flipside of dependent co-origination; it means there is no substantive self-existence (nonsvabhava) apart from the ecology of interdependent relationships that make up a universe or buddhafield. Thus, sunyata is the emptiness of form from having any other type of being than its interdependent relations with all other forms. Since all forms are empty (sunya), they are creatively potent (sunya) of transformative energy. That is why the five elements, the five tathagata buddhas, are ultimately the five lights or wisdoms. I have about three shelves on Madhyamaka in the downstairs family room.  >   > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Maior <rory12001@. ..> wrote: > > > From: Maior <rory12001@. ..> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:54 PM > > >   > > > > Salvete; > thanks for the correction I'd meant the world as play from a Shakta pov; the Shakta tantras are related to the ones I had started to study and practice. Kali can have a headache;-) > > Sunyata, now that's fascinating as I asked the young Japanese priest (esoteric specialist) precisely about that and he and I had the same idea that Sunyata was energy and the various gods, such as Fudo Myo (Acalantha) manifested out of this energy. My buddhism prof at Duke almost had a spasm at the mention that young educated people actually performed magical ceremonies and believed the deities were present. > > Fascinating about brag; I've found mantras very helpful and powerful. > I'll go look at the references you suggested. I do know Amitabha Buddha originated in Afghanistan and has blue eyes. He also rules a Western paradise. > Amazing how this is considered an eastern religion;-) > optime vale > Maior > > >   > > The play is lila. Maya is the magical power (in Advaita, it means illusion).. Prakriti is shakti dormant, kriya and karma are the activation of prakriti. Shakti of Brahma is Saraswati (goddess of wisdom and Vac, the divine word that embodies iksana, the divine vision-plan for a world manifestation. Iksana is also the yolk inside the golden egg hirangharbha out of which Prajapati-Brahma is born), shakti of Visnu is Lakshmi, and shakti of Siva is Parvati-Kali (she has her bad days), except the Sakta sect, where the goddess is supreme and Siva is derivative. Brahman originally meant "great-making power" or "to swell". The word brag is cognate to it. Its verbal form originally applied to mantras that had evocative power and to that phase of pregnancy where a woman is glowing on a hormone high as the smug picture of overabundant health. Interesting enough, sunya (sunyata) originally appied to pregnancy also so its connotation carries associations of > creative > > and pregnant with potentiality. . Then warriors used brahman as a way of speaking of their true boasts. Finally, it was used as that network of relationships that mutually sustain the vitality of creation which finally developed into the spirit behind and within creation. > >   > > Now if someone wants easy; Russian. It has no articles. > >   > > > > --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Maior <rory12001@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > From: Maior <rory12001@ ..> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > > Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:24 AM > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > Maior Gualtero Sempronio Scholasticae spd; > > Semproni no no; it's Maya, the world as blissful play of Shakti;-)! > > > > Gualtere, why are you so averse to Sanskrit? I studied it a bit when I had the flu some years ago and it was fine; complex and fine:) But as we've been discussing Indo-Aryan religion is the deep origin of the religio and frankly as Sempronius Regulus indicated the Western Mithras cult. > > So I don't see how you'd want to do without it. Especially for Mithras. > > optime vale > > Maior > > > > - In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius. regulus@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Sanskrit, then all seems a blissful dream. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@ > > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nashville Conventus > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > > > Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:29 AM > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > Salve, > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus, sociis, > > > > > > > > ATS: I am not surprised that this is a bit frightening. Greek is a > > > > > beautiful and rich language, whose grammar and vocabulary make Latin look like > > > > > a piece of cake. > > > > > > I'm glad someone agrees with me! Greek is a beautiful language and really makes Latin seem simple. My advice for a long time has been to learn Greek first and then Latin, and then you will appreciate Latin all the more! > > > > > > Vale, > > > > > > Gualterus > > > > > >

Cato Sempronio Regulo sal.

Salve.

Is there any scientific proof that this occurred? I have searched several databases and have found nothing. I'd be interested in proof of telekinesis; as they say, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>  
> You spoke of a Duke professor surprised at students practicing magic and diety yoga.
>  
> In the early 70s, I was invited by Geshe Sopa's group in Madison, WS, to a Tibetan monk competition in yogic heat. The competition was in the dead of winter on the Great Lakes, Tibetan monks would wrap blankets around them that had been dipped in water and froze.
> The competition was how many blankets could the monks thaw and dry. That was awesome. The finalists were even more awesome. They had to do the same while by telekinesis support a rock in the air. I was actually scared down to my legs; I had to sit down to conceal the fact my legs were going to give way. I said "shit this is really real."
>

--Salve;
I've heard of the famous Tibetan practice, is the term 'tum-mo' for maintaining inner heat? The other is amazing, but I've read of monks appearing 100's of miles away from where they were seen. I bet it must have been frightening to see, so against our rationalist assumptions...
Actually I wonder if this isn't Taoist practice. I had a real experience in a minor way of Taoist energies and am quite interested in furthering it. Buddhists call this disdainfully 'extermalist' practice, I call it smart;-)
Actually this all fits in with the Pythagoreans, the Classical version of such miraculous ascetics. Well fascinating.
optime vale
Maior

> >
> > Salve,
> >  
> > You spoke of a Duke professor surprised at students practicing magic and diety yoga.
> >  
> > In the early 70s, I was invited by Geshe Sopa's group in Madison, WS, to a Tibetan monk competition in yogic heat. The competition was in the dead of winter on the Great Lakes, Tibetan monks would wrap blankets around them that had been dipped in water and froze.
> > The competition was how many blankets could the monks thaw and dry. That was awesome. The finalists were even more awesome. They had to do the same while by telekinesis support a rock in the air. I was actually scared down to my legs; I had to sit down to conceal the fact my legs were going to give way. I said "shit this is really real."
> >
>

Thanks Regulus! This is one of the most interesting posts that I've ever
seen in NR.
Vale,
Diana

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Salvete!

Hodiernus dies est ante diem IV Kalendas Sextilis; haec dies comitialis est.

"Such being the power that each part has of hampering the others or
co-operating with them, their union is adequate to all emergencies, so
that it is impossible to find a better political system than this.
For whenever the menace of some common danger from abroad compels them
to act in concord and support each other, so great does the strength
of the state become, that nothing which is requisite can be neglected,
as all are zealously competing in devising means of meeting the need
of the hour, nor can any decision arrived at fail to be executed
promptly, as all are co-operating both in public and in private to the
accomplishment of the task which they have set themselves; and
consequently this peculiar form of constitution possesses an
irresistible power of attaining every object upon which it is
resolved. When again they are freed from external menace, and reap
the harvest of good fortune and affluence which is the result of their
success, and in the enjoyment of this prosperity are corrupted by
flattery and idleness and wax insolent and overbearing, as indeed
happens often enough, it is then especially that we see the state
providing itself a remedy for the evil from which it suffers. For
when one part having grown out of proportion to the others aims at
supremacy and tends to become too predominant, it is evident that, as
for the reasons above given none of the three is absolute, but the
purpose of the one can be counterworked and thwarted by the others,
none of them will excessively outgrow the others or treat them with
contempt. All in fact remains in statu quo, on the one hand, because
any aggressive impulse is sure to be checked and from the outset each
estate stands in dread of being interfered with by the others. . . ."
- Polybius, "The Roman Histories" VI.18


In keeping with our oriental theme...today was celebrated in honor of a relic - a tooth - of the Buddha. According to the Mahavamsa, from the time the Sacred Tooth Relic was brought to Ceylon in the reign of King Kirthisiri Meghawanna who ruled at Anuradhapura from AD 303-331, it was placed in a casket made of Phalika (Steatire or Soapstone) and lodged in an edifice called the Dharma-Chakra built by King Devanampiyatissa in the third century B.C.

"They always bring out the tooth of Buddha in the middle of the third month. Ten days beforehand, the King magnificently caparisons a great elephant, and commissions a man of eloquence and ability to clothe himself in royal apparel, and riding on the elephant, to sound a drum and proclaim as follows: 'Bodhisattva during three Asankhyeya kalpas underwent every king of austerity; he spared himself no personal sufferings ; he left his country, wife, and child; moreover he tore out his eyes to bestow them on another; he mangled his flesh to deliver a dove (from the hawk); he sacrificed his head in alms, he gave his body to a famishing tiger; he grudged not his marrow or brain. Thus he endured every sort of agony for the sake of all flesh. More over, when he became perfect Buddha, he lived in the world forty-nine years preaching the law and teaching and converting men. He gave rest to the wretched, he saved the lost. Having passed through countless births, he then entered Nirvana. Since that event it is 1467 years. The eyes of the world were then put out, and all flesh deeply grieved. After ten days the tooth of (this same) Buddha will be brought forth and taken to the Abhayagiri Vihara. Let all ecclesiastical and lay persons within the kingdom, who wish to lay up a store of merit, prepare and smooth the roads; adorn the street, and highways ; let them scatter every king of flower, and offer incense in religious reverence to the Relic'. This proclamation being finished, the kings next causes to be placed on both sides sides of the procession-road representations of the five hundred bodily forms which Bodhisattva assumed during his successive births. For instance, his birth as Sudana ; his appearance as Sama; his birth as the king of the elephants, and as an antelope. These figures are beautifully painted in divers colours and have a very life-like appearance. At length the tooth of Buddha is brought forth and conducted along the principal road. As they proceed on the way, religious offerings are made to it. When they arrive at the Abhayagiri Vihara they place it in the Hall of Buddha, where the clergy and laity all assemble in vast crowds and burn incense, and light lamps, and perform every king of religious ceremony, both night and day,with out ceasing. After ninety complete days they again return it to the Vihara within the City." - Fa Hien, Travels in India and Ceylon (5th Cent. AD)

Since that time the relic has been in various parts of India. Ultimately King Vimaladharmasuriya the Second (1687 -1707 A.D.) brought the Relic from Labugama and deposited it in the Temple of the Sacred Tooth Relic (Dalada Maligawa) built by him in Kandy.

Valete,

Cato

Salve, Thanks. I plan on making it a weekly series. Vale, A. Sempronius Regulus --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Diana Aventina <roman.babe@...> wrote: From: Diana Aventina <roman.babe@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Stoic Meditation 1 To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 8:07 AM   Thanks Regulus! This is one of the most interesting posts that I've ever seen in NR. Vale, Diana

Very good!  I'm looking forward to it.

Modianus

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:30 AM, A. Sempronius Regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:

 

Salve, Thanks. I plan on making it a weekly series. Vale, A. Sempronius Regulus

There is nothing legally-binding about our Constitution, Cato.  No one outside of NR is bound by anything that may be decided here and even those that are participating in Nova Roma may choose to disregard the Constitution and laws here if it pleases them to do so.  For example, one of our in force laws says that a Censor can remove a member of the Senate and there is no appeal to it, both while the Censor is in power and after the Censor leaves office.  If the Censor de facto tried to exercise his lawful right to kick Lucius Cornelius out of the Senate do you think he is just going to take it or wait until we get another set of Censors.  Dis NO! He'd be threatening legal action against the organization regardless of what our "laws" say is a lawful action.

Face it, Cato.  This year has been very bad for the Constitution and leges of Nova Roma with multiple magistrates ignoring whatever they disagree with and doing whatever they want to seize or hold power.  Complutensis and Severus are going to have their little internal audit of the fparquinus issue and present there evidence.  If it is determined that Complutensis is judged not to be that person, then the Consuls are likely to ignore calls for a Senate elected committee to investigate.

The year is more than half over and we can always get another set of magistrates in next year.  The only thing that I am sure about is that I will not be supporting most of the current magistrates if they choose to run for another office next year.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus 


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