On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Jesse Corradino <woden66@...> wrote:

 

If I can just chime in quick, as a completely disinterested third party I have to say that in the few months I've subscribed to this list Modianus has suffered a remarkable amount of shit from all sides and reacted to it in a fairly light manner.  At the very worst his "knee jerk reactions" in print usually just consist of "you're wrong for saying that," which isn't very harsh.  
 
You guys carry on with your fight, even though it seems like you want to reconcile, I just figured I'd mention something in the interest of objectivity.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Jesse Corradino <woden66@...> wrote:

 

If I can just chime in quick, as a completely disinterested third party I have to say that in the few months I've subscribed to this list Modianus has suffered a remarkable amount of shit from all sides and reacted to it in a fairly light manner.  At the very worst his "knee jerk reactions" in print usually just consist of "you're wrong for saying that," which isn't very harsh.  
 
You guys carry on with your fight, even though it seems like you want to reconcile, I just figured I'd mention something in the interest of objectivity.

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>
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica Annae Jesseque quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae
> > voluntatis S.P.D.
> >

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Lentulus Gualtero sal.
>
> And the Latin language, we all know it, never died. It just changed, and it is called now Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian and French (and on some other names). Latin is not else than "Archaic Spanish" or "Proto-Italian" etc.
>
> Saying Latin is dead it's like saying English is dead, because Old English is not spoken any more.
>
> The Latin language never died. There was no last speaker.
>
> If I continue using the history of the English language as an example, I could say Italian, French etc are like Modern English, Latin is like Old English.
>
> Using Classical Latin today is as if we used Old English. But we don't use Old English in communication, so you can say, Old English is a dead language - but could we say "English is a dead language"?
>
> On the other hand, Latin *is* used for communication, so it is not dead either because never dies but changed and because it is spoken and written today, too.
>
> It is, however, not a native language, and it's true (except that there were during the medieval and moder history people whose first native language was Latin, thank to their fanatic fathers).
>
>
> Valete!
>
> Cn. Lentulus
>
>
> --- Mer 5/8/09, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...> ha scritto:
>
> Da: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>
> Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Latinitas viva
> A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Data: Mercoledì 5 agosto 2009, 12:24
>
>  Salve Scholastica,
>
> "Native language" is a key concept behind language death. Language death is finalized when no native speakers survive. This, at any rate, seems to be the usage in modern sociolinguistics from what I can tell after scouring books.google. com (I'm not home, so that's the best I can do), such as Singh, _Towards a critical sociolinguistics_ (1996) 195: "Language death is a very specific type of language change. It is the endpoint of language decay in situations where a dominant language threatens the survival of a minority language, minority being understood either demographically in terms of quantity of native speakers or functionally in terms of political, social or cultural subordination to the dominant majority language. Also Trudgill, _A glossary of sociolinguistics_ (2003) 33: "A dead language is one which no longer has any native speakers."
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@ > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > A. Tullia Scholastica Cornelio Gualtero Graeco quiritibus, sociis,
> > > peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Not only this, but a living language is taught as a first language to
> > > children.
> > >
> > >
> > > ATS: And you are confusing an acquired/learned language with a native
> > > one, another topic covered in Rudimenta Latina. Dear me, we must find someone
> > > to teach this course. A living language is used for communication. A dead
> > > one isn¹t. A native language is learned at home (though some learn more than
> > > one) or in the streets, so to speak, and a learned or acquired language is
> > > studied, or otherwise absorbed, afterwards.
> > >
> > >
> > > Latin is quite dead.
> > >
> > > ATS: No, it ain¹t, and an alumnus of the U Chi classics dept. conducts
> > > luncheon meetings here every Friday during the academic year during which they
> > > speak Latin at the local U. Hope the barbarians haven¹t taken over the place.
> > > UC is such a wonderful school. Et Latinae civitatis condamus
> > > fundamina... quia gentis liberae et antiquae optat cladem barbarus.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Gualterus
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale, et valete.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Nova- Roma%40yahoogrou ps.com> ,
> > > "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@ > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Nova- Roma%40yahoogrou ps.com> ,
> > >> Jesse Corradino <woden66@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > It's weird how things are around here. If I were to suggest that I
> > >>> could float objects with my mind, I would be taken seriously. If on the
> > >>> other hand I suggested that a "language" no longer in use except by an elite
> > >>> few is a language that has fallen into disuse, I'm berrated for being an >>>
> > idiot
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Latin is a dead language. Having some parts of a dead language used for
> > >> terminology does not make it alive. A livimg language is one that changes,
> > >> evolves, and is used in a common vernacular by a people.
> > >> >
> > >> > You are not wrong to say Latin is dead. If NR is able to help "resurrect"
> > >> it as a living spoken language(and there is a movement to do this), it will
> > >> still not be the same Latin spoken in Ancient Rome.
> > >> >
> > >> > -Anna
> > >> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Lentulus Gualtero sal.
>
> And the Latin language, we all know it, never died. It just changed, and it is called now Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian and French (and on some other names). Latin is not else than "Archaic Spanish" or "Proto-Italian" etc.
>
> Saying Latin is dead it's like saying English is dead, because Old English is not spoken any more.
>
> The Latin language never died. There was no last speaker.
>
> If I continue using the history of the English language as an example, I could say Italian, French etc are like Modern English, Latin is like Old English.
>

>
> Cn. Lentulus omnibus sal.
>
>
> Scholastica is scientifically right. These are the four groups of languages:
>
> Living language: a language that is spoken.
> Dead language: a language that is not spoken any more.
> Native language: a language that is learned as one's mother tongue, first languge.
> Learned language: a language that is learned after one's native language.
>
> According to these categories, there are:
>
> Dead languages - Etruscan, ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Dalmatian etc...
> Native living languages - English, French, Hungarian etc...
> Learned living languages - Esperanto, Latin, Sanskrit etc...
>
> So, the point is that Latin is one of the group of learned living languages.
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Lentulus omnibus sal.
>
>
> Scholastica is scientifically right. These are the four groups of languages:
>
> Living language: a language that is spoken.
> Dead language: a language that is not spoken any more.
> Native language: a language that is learned as one's mother tongue, first languge.
> Learned language: a language that is learned after one's native language.
>
> According to these categories, there are:
>
> Dead languages - Etruscan, ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Dalmatian etc...
> Native living languages - English, French, Hungarian etc...
> Learned living languages - Esperanto, Latin, Sanskrit etc...
>
> So, the point is that Latin is one of the group of learned living languages.
>
>
> Curate, ut valeatis!
> Lentulus
>
> --- Mer 5/8/09, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> ha scritto:
>
> Da: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
> Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Lingua Latina vivens
> A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Data: Mercoledì 5 agosto 2009, 10:15
>
>  
>  A. Tullia Scholastica Annae Jesseque quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>  
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Nova- Roma%40yahoogrou ps.com> , Jesse Corradino <woden66@> wrote:
>  
> >
> > It's weird how things are around here.  If I were to suggest that I could float objects with my mind, I would be taken seriously.  If on the other hand I suggested that a "language" no longer in use except by an elite few is a language that has fallen into disuse, I'm berrated for being an idiot
>
>     ATS: No, Jesse, you were not being berated for being an idiot.  You may have swallowed some bait dangled before you by some misinformed parties, however.  
>
> Latin is a dead language. Having some parts of a dead language used for terminology does not make it alive.
>
>     ATS:  Anna, a dead language is one which is not used for communication.  Ancient Egyptian is a dead language.  Latin is used for communication, and is NOT a dead language.  I suggest that you, too, obtain the textbook for the Rudimenta Latina course, and take the course as soon as it is offered.  We discuss the differences between living and dead languages in that course.  Furthermore, there is an all-Latin mailing list to which several of us belong, there is an all-Latin academic journal, there are dozens of immersion seminars and other events throughout the US and Europe, and possibly elsewhere.  I have seen a  half-hour video of such a meeting held in Finland some years back.  Latin was the common language, and everyone spoke nothing but Latin during the entire meeting.  There are also the Nuntii Latini, news items in Latin read by well-known professors from Finland, and a written news journal published by one of the members of the
> Latin mailing list, the Grex Latine Loquentium.  We have an all-Latin list for NR as well.  Latin is used for communication among people speaking different vernaculars, and is anything but dead.  
>
>
>  A livimg language is one that changes, evolves, and is used in a common vernacular by a people.
>
>     Yes, most of that is part of the definition.  It need not be a vernacular, however, but why not start here?  Latin has new terminology for things the Romans never conceived, and eventually there will be changes since it is in use.  The poster child for this is Hebrew, which apparently was dead as a doornail until Israel resurrected it for use by its citizens.   
>
>
> You are not wrong to say Latin is dead.
>
>     Yes, you and anyone who claims Latin is dead is wrong, and is likely to be someone who prefers that it be mummified, since it is easier to cope with a language’s corpse than the living language itself.  No need to learn new words; no need to express new concepts in Latin...my, that is SO much easier.  Some classicists like it that way, too, but a lot of us do not, and are working to revive Latin.  Egyptian is dead; probably Old Norse and Old English are dead; Althochdeutsch is likely dead, but Hebrew and Latin have merely been in a nursing home for a while and out of things; they are back in use.  Rehab was successful.  
>
>
>
> If NR is able to help "resurrect" it as a living spoken language(and there is a movement to do this), it will still not be the same Latin spoken in Ancient Rome.
>
>     ATS:  No, it will evolve, which is part of the definition of a living language.  Living Latin already has a larger vocabulary than classical Latin, and there are variations among Latin speakers with regard to some vocabulary items, just as there is in any living language.  Read the Rudimenta text:  A Natural History of Latin, by Tore Janson, and preferably take the course so that you can benefit from Avitus’ erudition on this topic.  
>
> -Anna
>
>
> Valete.  
>
>   
>     
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Colin Brodd <magisterbrodd@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete, omnes!
> Most serious linguists these days recognize a distinction between truly
> "dead" languages (like Etruscan, where there isn't even a hope of using it
> today) and"conserved" languages (which have no native speakers, but
> conceivably *could *have - I could raise my hoped-for children to speak
> Latin as their first language, if I wanted to.
>
> Cheers,
> Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:44 PM, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "A. Tullia
> > Scholastica" <fororom@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > A. Tullia Scholastica Annae Jesseque quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> > bonae
> > > > voluntatis S.P.D.
> > > >
> >
> > No. You're wrong. Latin is a dead language. Everyone knows this. There are
> > no native speakers, the country of origin no longer speaks latin. It died.
> >
> > Name for me a native Latin speaker and I will recant my above statement.
> >
> > -Anna
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> "Qua(e) patres difficillime
> adepti sunt nolite
> turpiter relinquere" -
> Monumentum Bradfordis, Tamaropoli, in civitate Massaciuseta
> (Bradford Monument, Plymouth, MA)
>
> Check out my books on Goodreads: <a href="
> http://www.goodreads.com/profile/Valerianus?utm_source=email_widget">
> http://www.goodreads.com/profile/Valerianus</a>
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
> Upper Egypt does have native speakers of the southern Egyptian dialect. Like China, ancient Egypt was united by the written language. But the spoken languages of southern and northern Egypt were mutually incomprehensible.. If I remember right, the native language of Upper Egypt is not Coptic but Sahidic. 
> Vale,
> A. Sempronius Regulus 
>
> --- On Wed, 8/5/09, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>
> Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Lingua Latina vivens
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 5:58 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> Salve Lentule,
>
> How is she "scientifically" right? According to sociolinguistics, those definitions are not mutually exclusive, but rather, a dead language is a language that is only learned. Incidentally, Egyptian has a similar status to Latin since it has survived as a liturgical language in the form of Coptic. It may even be more alive than Latin, if persistent rumors are true that upper Egypt still has some native speakers.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@ ....> wrote:
> >
> > Cn. Lentulus omnibus sal.
> >
> >
> > Scholastica is scientifically right. These are the four groups of languages:
> >
> > Living language: a language that is spoken.
> > Dead language: a language that is not spoken any more.
> > Native language: a language that is learned as one's mother tongue, first languge.
> > Learned language: a language that is learned after one's native language.
> >
> > According to these categories, there are:
> >
> > Dead languages - Etruscan, ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Dalmatian etc...
> > Native living languages - English, French, Hungarian etc...
> > Learned living languages - Esperanto, Latin, Sanskrit etc...
> >
> > So, the point is that Latin is one of the group of learned living languages.
> >
> >
> > Curate, ut valeatis!
> > Lentulus
> >
> > --- Mer 5/8/09, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@ > ha scritto:
> >
> > Da: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@ >
> > Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Lingua Latina vivens
> > A: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Data: Mercoledì 5 agosto 2009, 10:15
> >
> >  
> >  A. Tullia Scholastica Annae Jesseque quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >  
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Nova- Roma%40yahoogrou ps.com> , Jesse Corradino <woden66@> wrote:
> >  
> > >
> > > It's weird how things are around here.  If I were to suggest that I could float objects with my mind, I would be taken seriously.  If on the other hand I suggested that a "language" no longer in use except by an elite few is a language that has fallen into disuse, I'm berrated for being an idiot
> >
> >     ATS: No, Jesse, you were not being berated for being an idiot.  You may have swallowed some bait dangled before you by some misinformed parties, however.  
> >
> > Latin is a dead language. Having some parts of a dead language used for terminology does not make it alive.
> >
> >     ATS:  Anna, a dead language is one which is not used for communication.  Ancient Egyptian is a dead language.  Latin is used for communication, and is NOT a dead language.  I suggest that you, too, obtain the textbook for the Rudimenta Latina course, and take the course as soon as it is offered.  We discuss the differences between living and dead languages in that course.  Furthermore, there is an all-Latin mailing list to which several of us belong, there is an all-Latin academic journal, there are dozens of immersion seminars and other events throughout the US and Europe, and possibly elsewhere.  I have seen a  half-hour video of such a meeting held in Finland some years back.  Latin was the common language, and everyone spoke nothing but Latin during the entire meeting.  There are also the Nuntii Latini, news items in Latin read by well-known professors from Finland, and a written news journal published
> by one of the members of the
> > Latin mailing list, the Grex Latine Loquentium.  We have an all-Latin list for NR as well.  Latin is used for communication among people speaking different vernaculars, and is anything but dead.  
> >
> >
> >  A livimg language is one that changes, evolves, and is used in a common vernacular by a people.
> >
> >     Yes, most of that is part of the definition.  It need not be a vernacular, however, but why not start here?  Latin has new terminology for things the Romans never conceived, and eventually there will be changes since it is in use.  The poster child for this is Hebrew, which apparently was dead as a doornail until Israel resurrected it for use by its citizens.   
> >
> >
> > You are not wrong to say Latin is dead.
> >
> >     Yes, you and anyone who claims Latin is dead is wrong, and is likely to be someone who prefers that it be mummified, since it is easier to cope with a language’s corpse than the living language itself.  No need to learn new words; no need to express new concepts in Latin...my, that is SO much easier.  Some classicists like it that way, too, but a lot of us do not, and are working to revive Latin.  Egyptian is dead; probably Old Norse and Old English are dead; Althochdeutsch is likely dead, but Hebrew and Latin have merely been in a nursing home for a while and out of things; they are back in use.  Rehab was successful.  
> >
> >
> >
> > If NR is able to help "resurrect" it as a living spoken language(and there is a movement to do this), it will still not be the same Latin spoken in Ancient Rome.
> >
> >     ATS:  No, it will evolve, which is part of the definition of a living language.  Living Latin already has a larger vocabulary than classical Latin, and there are variations among Latin speakers with regard to some vocabulary items, just as there is in any living language.  Read the Rudimenta text:  A Natural History of Latin, by Tore Janson, and preferably take the course so that you can benefit from Avitus’ erudition on this topic.  
> >
> > -Anna
> >
> >
> > Valete.  
> >
> >   
> >     
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Lentulus Gualtero et Annae et Claudio Corradino sal.
>
> I don't doubt that the vast majority of linguists and other sources confirm Latin as a dead language.
>
> However, I or Scholastica or Avitus or the Nova Romans are here to deny it and not to accept this statement. We offer an alternative point of view that is as scientific as the other.
>
> We (and other Latinist linguists) call Latin a learned living languages. 
>
> On what ground?
>
> What's a language for? It's for communication.
> How does a language live? A language lives if there are how use it for communication.
> Do people use Latin for communication? Yes, they very much use it, very very much, thousands of people. What could I say: I have just finished an hour long Latin chatting with a Belorus young man. He did not know other language that I know, the only mean of communication between us was the Latin language.
>
> This happened many times with me before.
>
> There are thousends who communicate on Latin.
>
> I think this is a criterion for a living language. Others say it is not. I am a Latinist. My duty is to offer ways of thinking that FAVOURS Latin. This is Scholastica's duty as well, and i dare to say it is the entire Nova Roman nation's duty too.
>
> Our New Roman nation is here to uphold the cause of Latin, the cause of the Roman State, and the cause of the Roman Gods.
>
>
> Curate, uti valeatis!
> Lentulus
>
> --- Mer 5/8/09, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> ha scritto:
>
> Da: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...>
> Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Lingua Latina vivens
> A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Data: Mercoledì 5 agosto 2009, 20:49
>
>  Oh look, a list of dead/extinct languages. Guess which one is on that list.
>
> http://www.omegawik i.org/Language/ List_of_dead_ languages
>
> Oh and look at this defintion of an extinct language:
> http://www.answers. com/topic/ extinct-language
>
> "Some dead languages, such as Latin, ancient Greek, and Sanskrit, may nevertheless be studied by large numbers of people because of their literary or historical importance."
>
> Editorial about Latin being a dead language, but is making a comeback:
>
> http://www.ashbrook .org/publicat/ oped/moore/ 03/latin. html
>
> "Latin is a dead language. No one speaks Latin as his native language, and this has been the case for more than a millennium. In fact most teachers of Latin, even very good ones, cannot say more than a few sentences of Latin in succession."
>
> Why Latin is a Dead Language:
>
> http://socyberty. com/languages/ why-latin- is-a-dead- language/
>
> Cambridge dictionary also cites Latin as an example of a dead language:
> http://dictionary. cambridge. org/define. asp?key=19830& dict=CALD
>
> "dead language noun [C]
> a language which is no longer spoken by anyone as their main language:
> Latin is a dead language."
>
> Need I go on?
>
> -Anna
>

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:34 PM, novaromamovie <novaromamovie@...> wrote:

 

Ave!

My name is Max Silver, and I'm an independent film producer in Minneapolis. I have come to you, Nova Romans, as a poor citizen with a great dream. A dream which I think might pique your interest...

The year is 2685 A.U.C., and Rome has flourished after conquering the Persians, the Chinese, the Goths, the oceans and the stars. Every square foot of "Terra Nostrum" is Roman. However, when they deplete the oil reserves, their society is split into two: those they can afford to feed, and those they can't. It is an impossible task to fight your way from rags to robes, but an easy slope to slide back down.

Through this setting, a love story unlike any other will be told.

NOVA ROMA is the story of a young woman named Dorea who is oblivious to the fact that her slave is in love with her. When she is unjustly expelled from her University, she sets her slave free, unknowingly breaking his heart. Suicide, robbery and slavery envelop her, leading her to discover the only thing truly more powerful than Rome.

Between fantasy and sci-fi, between historical and modern, this world exists. Our costumes, sets, props and actors will portray a new, modern society whose ancient roots are still visible. This is the basis for what we know will be a great work of short fiction.

Everyone we talk to is intrigued by the concept, and we hope you are as well. We would absolutely love to talk with anyone who is interested, either to discuss how Roman culture might have evolved to this time, to imagine the society they would have become, or just to say "ave." Please, please contact us if you are intrigued by this concept--the support of this group would mean the world to us.

We can be reached at: contact@...

Also see our website, which will be updated regularly (but is now rather empty): www.NovaRomaMovie.com

Once again, your support and ideas would help make this film and this world become more than just a dream. It would become Nova Roma.

Vale.

> Lentulus.
>
> It's ok to speak a dead language. Just because you want it to be a living language, doesn't make it one.
>
> One day, if all you latinists work hard and your movement completes it's goal of reviving a dead langage, then you can call it a living language. Like the Jews did with Hebrew. Till then, it's dead. An ancient dead language.
>
> Trekkies commuicate in Klingon, yet it's not a living language.
>
> Once you get some children growing up speaking Latin as their primary language, you got yourself a living language.
>
> -Anna
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@> wrote:
> >
> > Lentulus Gualtero et Annae et Claudio Corradino sal.
> >
> > I don't doubt that the vast majority of linguists and other sources confirm Latin as a dead language.
> >
> > However, I or Scholastica or Avitus or the Nova Romans are here to deny it and not to accept this statement. We offer an alternative point of view that is as scientific as the other.
> >
> > We (and other Latinist linguists) call Latin a learned living languages. 
> >
> > On what ground?
> >
> > What's a language for? It's for communication.
> > How does a language live? A language lives if there are how use it for communication.
> > Do people use Latin for communication? Yes, they very much use it, very very much, thousands of people. What could I say: I have just finished an hour long Latin chatting with a Belorus young man. He did not know other language that I know, the only mean of communication between us was the Latin language.
> >
> > This happened many times with me before.
> >
> > There are thousends who communicate on Latin.
> >
> > I think this is a criterion for a living language. Others say it is not. I am a Latinist. My duty is to offer ways of thinking that FAVOURS Latin. This is Scholastica's duty as well, and i dare to say it is the entire Nova Roman nation's duty too.
> >
> > Our New Roman nation is here to uphold the cause of Latin, the cause of the Roman State, and the cause of the Roman Gods.
> >
> >
> > Curate, uti valeatis!
> > Lentulus
> >
> > --- Mer 5/8/09, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@> ha scritto:
> >
> > Da: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@>
> > Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Lingua Latina vivens
> > A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Data: Mercoledì 5 agosto 2009, 20:49
> >
> >  Oh look, a list of dead/extinct languages. Guess which one is on that list.
> >
> > http://www.omegawik i.org/Language/ List_of_dead_ languages
> >
> > Oh and look at this defintion of an extinct language:
> > http://www.answers. com/topic/ extinct-language
> >
> > "Some dead languages, such as Latin, ancient Greek, and Sanskrit, may nevertheless be studied by large numbers of people because of their literary or historical importance."
> >
> > Editorial about Latin being a dead language, but is making a comeback:
> >
> > http://www.ashbrook .org/publicat/ oped/moore/ 03/latin. html
> >
> > "Latin is a dead language. No one speaks Latin as his native language, and this has been the case for more than a millennium. In fact most teachers of Latin, even very good ones, cannot say more than a few sentences of Latin in succession."
> >
> > Why Latin is a Dead Language:
> >
> > http://socyberty. com/languages/ why-latin- is-a-dead- language/
> >
> > Cambridge dictionary also cites Latin as an example of a dead language:
> > http://dictionary. cambridge. org/define. asp?key=19830& dict=CALD
> >
> > "dead language noun [C]
> > a language which is no longer spoken by anyone as their main language:
> > Latin is a dead language."
> >
> > Need I go on?
> >
> > -Anna
> >
>

> Hortensia
>
> If 2 people speak latin it's living!
>
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Lentulus Gualtero et Annae et Claudio Corradino sal.
>
> I don't doubt that the vast majority of linguists and other sources confirm Latin as a dead language.
>
> However, I or Scholastica or Avitus or the Nova Romans are here to deny it and not to accept this statement. We offer an alternative point of view that is as scientific as the other.
>
> We (and other Latinist linguists) call Latin a learned living languages. 
>
> On what ground?
>
> What's a language for? It's for communication.
> How does a language live? A language lives if there are how use it for communication.
> Do people use Latin for communication? Yes, they very much use it, very very much, thousands of people. What could I say: I have just finished an hour long Latin chatting with a Belorus young man. He did not know other language that I know, the only mean of communication between us was the Latin language.
>
> This happened many times with me before.
>
> There are thousends who communicate on Latin.
>
> I think this is a criterion for a living language. Others say it is not. I am a Latinist. My duty is to offer ways of thinking that FAVOURS Latin. This is Scholastica's duty as well, and i dare to say it is the entire Nova Roman nation's duty too.
>
> Our New Roman nation is here to uphold the cause of Latin, the cause of the Roman State, and the cause of the Roman Gods.
>
>
> Curate, uti valeatis!
> Lentulus
>
> --- Mer 5/8/09, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> ha scritto:
>
> Da: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...>
> Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Lingua Latina vivens
> A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Data: Mercoledì 5 agosto 2009, 20:49
>
>  Oh look, a list of dead/extinct languages. Guess which one is on that list.
>
> http://www.omegawik i.org/Language/ List_of_dead_ languages
>
> Oh and look at this defintion of an extinct language:
> http://www.answers. com/topic/ extinct-language
>
> "Some dead languages, such as Latin, ancient Greek, and Sanskrit, may nevertheless be studied by large numbers of people because of their literary or historical importance."
>
> Editorial about Latin being a dead language, but is making a comeback:
>
> http://www.ashbrook .org/publicat/ oped/moore/ 03/latin. html
>
> "Latin is a dead language. No one speaks Latin as his native language, and this has been the case for more than a millennium. In fact most teachers of Latin, even very good ones, cannot say more than a few sentences of Latin in succession."
>
> Why Latin is a Dead Language:
>
> http://socyberty. com/languages/ why-latin- is-a-dead- language/
>
> Cambridge dictionary also cites Latin as an example of a dead language:
> http://dictionary. cambridge. org/define. asp?key=19830& dict=CALD
>
> "dead language noun [C]
> a language which is no longer spoken by anyone as their main language:
> Latin is a dead language."
>
> Need I go on?
>
> -Anna
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete;
> languages have been 'dead' then revived, like Hebrew. Actually isn't Latin still spoken in the Vatican?
> Anyway, as Lentulus showed with Skype, the internet, , the ability to write dictionaries, language programs etc it's easy to revitalize them!
> Latin is a living language, I'm studying it, I'll be posting my attempts to write on the ML and everyone should join in!
> One word, two words, it all adds up......
>
> Today's phrase: "Mihi nomen est Hortensia"
> Tullia
> Cornelius
>
> My name [nomen] is Hortensia, Tullia, Cornelius
>
> Practice this phrase and say your own Roman nomen. You have one, the Censorial cohors gave it to you! And nothing changes if you have either a mascuiline or feminine nomen. Post it on this thread. If you do something wrong, don't worry. We'll help you and there are no Latin Police;-)
> optime vale
> Hortensia
>
> If 2 people speak latin it's living!
>
>
> > Lentulus.
> >
> > It's ok to speak a dead language. Just because you want it to be a living language, doesn't make it one.
> >
> > One day, if all you latinists work hard and your movement completes it's goal of reviving a dead langage, then you can call it a living language. Like the Jews did with Hebrew. Till then, it's dead. An ancient dead language.
> >
> > Trekkies commuicate in Klingon, yet it's not a living language.
> >
> > Once you get some children growing up speaking Latin as their primary language, you got yourself a living language.
> >
> > -Anna
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Lentulus Gualtero et Annae et Claudio Corradino sal.
> > >
> > > I don't doubt that the vast majority of linguists and other sources confirm Latin as a dead language.
> > >
> > > However, I or Scholastica or Avitus or the Nova Romans are here to deny it and not to accept this statement. We offer an alternative point of view that is as scientific as the other.
> > >
> > > We (and other Latinist linguists) call Latin a learned living languages. 
> > >
> > > On what ground?
> > >
> > > What's a language for? It's for communication.
> > > How does a language live? A language lives if there are how use it for communication.
> > > Do people use Latin for communication? Yes, they very much use it, very very much, thousands of people. What could I say: I have just finished an hour long Latin chatting with a Belorus young man. He did not know other language that I know, the only mean of communication between us was the Latin language.
> > >
> > > This happened many times with me before.
> > >
> > > There are thousends who communicate on Latin.
> > >
> > > I think this is a criterion for a living language. Others say it is not. I am a Latinist. My duty is to offer ways of thinking that FAVOURS Latin. This is Scholastica's duty as well, and i dare to say it is the entire Nova Roman nation's duty too.
> > >
> > > Our New Roman nation is here to uphold the cause of Latin, the cause of the Roman State, and the cause of the Roman Gods.
> > >
> > >
> > > Curate, uti valeatis!
> > > Lentulus
> > >
> > > --- Mer 5/8/09, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@> ha scritto:
> > >
> > > Da: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@>
> > > Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Lingua Latina vivens
> > > A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Data: Mercoledì 5 agosto 2009, 20:49
> > >
> > >  Oh look, a list of dead/extinct languages. Guess which one is on that list.
> > >
> > > http://www.omegawik i.org/Language/ List_of_dead_ languages
> > >
> > > Oh and look at this defintion of an extinct language:
> > > http://www.answers. com/topic/ extinct-language
> > >
> > > "Some dead languages, such as Latin, ancient Greek, and Sanskrit, may nevertheless be studied by large numbers of people because of their literary or historical importance."
> > >
> > > Editorial about Latin being a dead language, but is making a comeback:
> > >
> > > http://www.ashbrook .org/publicat/ oped/moore/ 03/latin. html
> > >
> > > "Latin is a dead language. No one speaks Latin as his native language, and this has been the case for more than a millennium. In fact most teachers of Latin, even very good ones, cannot say more than a few sentences of Latin in succession."
> > >
> > > Why Latin is a Dead Language:
> > >
> > > http://socyberty. com/languages/ why-latin- is-a-dead- language/
> > >
> > > Cambridge dictionary also cites Latin as an example of a dead language:
> > > http://dictionary. cambridge. org/define. asp?key=19830& dict=CALD
> > >
> > > "dead language noun [C]
> > > a language which is no longer spoken by anyone as their main language:
> > > Latin is a dead language."
> > >
> > > Need I go on?
> > >
> > > -Anna
> > >
> >
>

>
> Hebrew became a living language when children of late 19th century zionists in Palestine learned Hebrew as their native language. Nothing short of that will make Latin a living language.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete;
> languages have been 'dead' then revived, like Hebrew. Actually isn't Latin still spoken in the Vatican?
> Anyway, as Lentulus showed with Skype, the internet, , the ability to write dictionaries, language programs etc it's easy to revitalize them!
> Latin is a living language, I'm studying it, I'll be posting my attempts to write on the ML and everyone should join in!
> One word, two words, it all adds up......
>
> Today's phrase: "Mihi nomen est Hortensia"
> Tullia
> Cornelius
>
> My name [nomen] is Hortensia, Tullia, Cornelius
>
> Practice this phrase and say your own Roman nomen. You have one, the Censorial cohors gave it to you! And nothing changes if you have either a mascuiline or feminine nomen. Post it on this thread. If you do something wrong, don't worry. We'll help you and there are no Latin Police;-)
> optime vale
> Hortensia
>
> If 2 people speak latin it's living!
>
>
> > Lentulus.
> >
> > It's ok to speak a dead language. Just because you want it to be a living language, doesn't make it one.
> >
> > One day, if all you latinists work hard and your movement completes it's goal of reviving a dead langage, then you can call it a living language. Like the Jews did with Hebrew. Till then, it's dead. An ancient dead language.
> >
> > Trekkies commuicate in Klingon, yet it's not a living language.
> >
> > Once you get some children growing up speaking Latin as their primary language, you got yourself a living language.
> >
> > -Anna
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Lentulus Gualtero et Annae et Claudio Corradino sal.
> > >
> > > I don't doubt that the vast majority of linguists and other sources confirm Latin as a dead language.
> > >
> > > However, I or Scholastica or Avitus or the Nova Romans are here to deny it and not to accept this statement. We offer an alternative point of view that is as scientific as the other.
> > >
> > > We (and other Latinist linguists) call Latin a learned living languages. 
> > >
> > > On what ground?
> > >
> > > What's a language for? It's for communication.
> > > How does a language live? A language lives if there are how use it for communication.
> > > Do people use Latin for communication? Yes, they very much use it, very very much, thousands of people. What could I say: I have just finished an hour long Latin chatting with a Belorus young man. He did not know other language that I know, the only mean of communication between us was the Latin language.
> > >
> > > This happened many times with me before.
> > >
> > > There are thousends who communicate on Latin.
> > >
> > > I think this is a criterion for a living language. Others say it is not. I am a Latinist. My duty is to offer ways of thinking that FAVOURS Latin. This is Scholastica's duty as well, and i dare to say it is the entire Nova Roman nation's duty too.
> > >
> > > Our New Roman nation is here to uphold the cause of Latin, the cause of the Roman State, and the cause of the Roman Gods.
> > >
> > >
> > > Curate, uti valeatis!
> > > Lentulus
> > >
> > > --- Mer 5/8/09, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@> ha scritto:
> > >
> > > Da: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@>
> > > Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Lingua Latina vivens
> > > A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Data: Mercoledì 5 agosto 2009, 20:49
> > >
> > >  Oh look, a list of dead/extinct languages. Guess which one is on that list.
> > >
> > > http://www.omegawik i.org/Language/ List_of_dead_ languages
> > >
> > > Oh and look at this defintion of an extinct language:
> > > http://www.answers. com/topic/ extinct-language
> > >
> > > "Some dead languages, such as Latin, ancient Greek, and Sanskrit, may nevertheless be studied by large numbers of people because of their literary or historical importance."
> > >
> > > Editorial about Latin being a dead language, but is making a comeback:
> > >
> > > http://www.ashbrook .org/publicat/ oped/moore/ 03/latin. html
> > >
> > > "Latin is a dead language. No one speaks Latin as his native language, and this has been the case for more than a millennium. In fact most teachers of Latin, even very good ones, cannot say more than a few sentences of Latin in succession."
> > >
> > > Why Latin is a Dead Language:
> > >
> > > http://socyberty. com/languages/ why-latin- is-a-dead- language/
> > >
> > > Cambridge dictionary also cites Latin as an example of a dead language:
> > > http://dictionary. cambridge. org/define. asp?key=19830& dict=CALD
> > >
> > > "dead language noun [C]
> > > a language which is no longer spoken by anyone as their main language:
> > > Latin is a dead language."
> > >
> > > Need I go on?
> > >
> > > -Anna
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@...> wrote:
>
> Hebrew became a living language when children of late 19th century zionists in Palestine learned Hebrew as their native language. Nothing short of that will make Latin a living language.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete;
> > languages have been 'dead' then revived, like Hebrew. Actually isn't Latin still spoken in the Vatican?
> > Anyway, as Lentulus showed with Skype, the internet, , the ability to write dictionaries, language programs etc it's easy to revitalize them!
> > Latin is a living language, I'm studying it, I'll be posting my attempts to write on the ML and everyone should join in!
> > One word, two words, it all adds up......
> >
> > Today's phrase: "Mihi nomen est Hortensia"
> > Tullia
> > Cornelius
> >
> > My name [nomen] is Hortensia, Tullia, Cornelius
> >
> > Practice this phrase and say your own Roman nomen. You have one, the Censorial cohors gave it to you! And nothing changes if you have either a mascuiline or feminine nomen. Post it on this thread. If you do something wrong, don't worry. We'll help you and there are no Latin Police;-)
> > optime vale
> > Hortensia
> >
> > If 2 people speak latin it's living!
> >
> >
> > > Lentulus.
> > >
> > > It's ok to speak a dead language. Just because you want it to be a living language, doesn't make it one.
> > >
> > > One day, if all you latinists work hard and your movement completes it's goal of reviving a dead langage, then you can call it a living language. Like the Jews did with Hebrew. Till then, it's dead. An ancient dead language.
> > >
> > > Trekkies commuicate in Klingon, yet it's not a living language.
> > >
> > > Once you get some children growing up speaking Latin as their primary language, you got yourself a living language.
> > >
> > > -Anna
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Lentulus Gualtero et Annae et Claudio Corradino sal.
> > > >
> > > > I don't doubt that the vast majority of linguists and other sources confirm Latin as a dead language.
> > > >
> > > > However, I or Scholastica or Avitus or the Nova Romans are here to deny it and not to accept this statement. We offer an alternative point of view that is as scientific as the other.
> > > >
> > > > We (and other Latinist linguists) call Latin a learned living languages. 
> > > >
> > > > On what ground?
> > > >
> > > > What's a language for? It's for communication.
> > > > How does a language live? A language lives if there are how use it for communication.
> > > > Do people use Latin for communication? Yes, they very much use it, very very much, thousands of people. What could I say: I have just finished an hour long Latin chatting with a Belorus young man. He did not know other language that I know, the only mean of communication between us was the Latin language.
> > > >
> > > > This happened many times with me before.
> > > >
> > > > There are thousends who communicate on Latin.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is a criterion for a living language. Others say it is not. I am a Latinist. My duty is to offer ways of thinking that FAVOURS Latin. This is Scholastica's duty as well, and i dare to say it is the entire Nova Roman nation's duty too.
> > > >
> > > > Our New Roman nation is here to uphold the cause of Latin, the cause of the Roman State, and the cause of the Roman Gods.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Curate, uti valeatis!
> > > > Lentulus
> > > >
> > > > --- Mer 5/8/09, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@> ha scritto:
> > > >
> > > > Da: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@>
> > > > Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Lingua Latina vivens
> > > > A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Data: Mercoledì 5 agosto 2009, 20:49
> > > >
> > > >  Oh look, a list of dead/extinct languages. Guess which one is on that list.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.omegawik i.org/Language/ List_of_dead_ languages
> > > >
> > > > Oh and look at this defintion of an extinct language:
> > > > http://www.answers. com/topic/ extinct-language
> > > >
> > > > "Some dead languages, such as Latin, ancient Greek, and Sanskrit, may nevertheless be studied by large numbers of people because of their literary or historical importance."
> > > >
> > > > Editorial about Latin being a dead language, but is making a comeback:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ashbrook .org/publicat/ oped/moore/ 03/latin. html
> > > >
> > > > "Latin is a dead language. No one speaks Latin as his native language, and this has been the case for more than a millennium. In fact most teachers of Latin, even very good ones, cannot say more than a few sentences of Latin in succession."
> > > >
> > > > Why Latin is a Dead Language:
> > > >
> > > > http://socyberty. com/languages/ why-latin- is-a-dead- language/
> > > >
> > > > Cambridge dictionary also cites Latin as an example of a dead language:
> > > > http://dictionary. cambridge. org/define. asp?key=19830& dict=CALD
> > > >
> > > > "dead language noun [C]
> > > > a language which is no longer spoken by anyone as their main language:
> > > > Latin is a dead language."
> > > >
> > > > Need I go on?
> > > >
> > > > -Anna
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
> Salvete
>
> Ab absurdo - From the absurd (establishing the validity of your argument by
> pointing out the absurdity of your opponent's position)
>
> Valete
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>

As complimented by Ad Nauseum, which is where too many of our
maunderings wander.

Valete - Venator

 A. Tullia Scholastica Jesse, Lentulo, quiritibus sociis peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    Inasmuch as I am leaving for a very long and arduous road trip to conventus tomorrow, I shan’t be able to answer as many posts on this topic as I would like, or do so as fully as I might prefer.  However...
 

You can't just slap the word "scientific" on something to furnish it as proof, especially in a debate where such usage is contrived to support your position a priori. I've read linguistic texts and have never come across this "scientific" language classification system you found that conventiently classifies Latin as a "Living, Learned Language."  Would you cite a reference for this publication?

    ATS:  Probably this is dealt with in the text for the Rudimenta course, A Natural History of Latin; if not, it almost surely is in Avitus’ lesson for the first trimester of that short course.  He would have to list his sources.  

     There is a difference, too, between dead and extinct (Latin has NEVER been extinct, though classical Greek was lost to the Western world during the Dark Ages)...but Latin is a learned, living language.  It is also entirely possible that some classicists teach their offspring Latin as a first language, though many of us are not so fortunate as to find a life partner or to reproduce, a matter which should satisfy even the common definition.  

Valete.  
 

---

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: cn_corn_lent@...
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:48:59 +0000
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Lingua Latina vivens



Cn. Lentulus omnibus sal.


Scholastica is scientifically right. These are the four groups of languages:

Living language: a language that is spoken.
Dead language: a language that is not spoken any more.
Native language: a language that is learned as one's mother tongue, first languge.
Learned language: a language that is learned after one's native language.

According to these categories, there are:

Dead languages - Etruscan, ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Dalmatian etc...
Native living languages - English, French, Hungarian etc...
Learned living languages - Esperanto, Latin, Sanskrit etc...

So, the point is that Latin is one of the group of learned living languages.


Curate, ut valeatis!
Lentulus

--- Mer 5/8/09, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> ha scritto:

Da: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Lingua Latina vivens
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Mercoledì 5 agosto 2009, 10:15

 

 A. Tullia Scholastica Annae Jesseque quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Nova- Roma%40yahoogrou ps.com> <http:///mc/compose?to=Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>  , Jesse Corradino <woden66@...> wrote:
 
>
> It's weird how things are around here.  If I were to suggest that I could float objects with my mind, I would be taken seriously.  If on the other hand I suggested that a "language" no longer in use except by an elite few is a language that has fallen into disuse, I'm berrated for being an idiot

    ATS: No, Jesse, you were not being berated for being an idiot.  You may have swallowed some bait dangled before you by some misinformed parties, however.  

Latin is a dead language. Having some parts of a dead language used for terminology does not make it alive.

    ATS:  Anna, a dead language is one which is not used for communication.  Ancient Egyptian is a dead language.  Latin is used for communication, and is NOT a dead language.  I suggest that you, too, obtain the textbook for the Rudimenta Latina course, and take the course as soon as it is offered.  We discuss the differences between living and dead languages in that course.  Furthermore, there is an all-Latin mailing list to which several of us belong, there is an all-Latin academic journal, there are dozens of immersion seminars and other events throughout the US and Europe, and possibly elsewhere.  I have seen a  half-hour video of such a meeting held in Finland some years back.  Latin was the common language, and everyone spoke nothing but Latin during the entire meeting.  There are also the Nuntii Latini, news items in Latin read by well-known professors from Finland, and a written news journal published by one of the members of the Latin mailing list, the Grex Latine Loquentium.  We have an all-Latin list for NR as well.  Latin is used for communication among people speaking different vernaculars, and is anything but dead.  


 A livimg language is one that changes, evolves, and is used in a common vernacular by a people.

    Yes, most of that is part of the definition.  It need not be a vernacular, however, but why not start here?  Latin has new terminology for things the Romans never conceived, and eventually there will be changes since it is in use.  The poster child for this is Hebrew, which apparently was dead as a doornail until Israel resurrected it for use by its citizens.   


You are not wrong to say Latin is dead.

    Yes, you and anyone who claims Latin is dead is wrong, and is likely to be someone who prefers that it be mummified, since it is easier to cope with a language’s corpse than the living language itself.  No need to learn new words; no need to express new concepts in Latin...my, that is SO much easier.  Some classicists like it that way, too, but a lot of us do not, and are working to revive Latin.  Egyptian is dead; probably Old Norse and Old English are dead; Althochdeutsch is likely dead, but Hebrew and Latin have merely been in a nursing home for a while and out of things; they are back in use.  Rehab was successful.  



If NR is able to help "resurrect" it as a living spoken language(and there is a movement to do this), it will still not be the same Latin spoken in Ancient Rome.

    ATS:  No, it will evolve, which is part of the definition of a living language.  Living Latin already has a larger vocabulary than classical Latin, and there are variations among Latin speakers with regard to some vocabulary items, just as there is in any living language.  Read the Rudimenta text:  A Natural History of Latin, by Tore Janson, and preferably take the course so that you can benefit from Avitus’ erudition on this topic.  

-Anna


Valete.  

  
    

 A. Tullia Scholastica Jesse, Lentulo, quiritibus sociis peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    Inasmuch as I am leaving for a very long and arduous road trip to conventus tomorrow, I shan’t be able to answer as many posts on this topic as I would like, or do so as fully as I might prefer.  However...
 

You can't just slap the word "scientific" on something to furnish it as proof, especially in a debate where such usage is contrived to support your position a priori. I've read linguistic texts and have never come across this "scientific" language classification system you found that conventiently classifies Latin as a "Living, Learned Language."  Would you cite a reference for this publication?

    ATS:  Probably this is dealt with in the text for the Rudimenta course, A Natural History of Latin; if not, it almost surely is in Avitus’ lesson for the first trimester of that short course.  He would have to list his sources.  

     There is a difference, too, between dead and extinct (Latin has NEVER been extinct, though classical Greek was lost to the Western world during the Dark Ages)...but Latin is a learned, living language.  It is also entirely possible that some classicists teach their offspring Latin as a first language, though many of us are not so fortunate as to find a life partner or to reproduce, a matter which should satisfy even the common definition.  

Valete.  
 

---

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: cn_corn_lent@...
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:48:59 +0000
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Lingua Latina vivens



Cn. Lentulus omnibus sal.


Scholastica is scientifically right. These are the four groups of languages:

Living language: a language that is spoken.
Dead language: a language that is not spoken any more.
Native language: a language that is learned as one's mother tongue, first languge.
Learned language: a language that is learned after one's native language.

According to these categories, there are:

Dead languages - Etruscan, ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Dalmatian etc...
Native living languages - English, French, Hungarian etc...
Learned living languages - Esperanto, Latin, Sanskrit etc...

So, the point is that Latin is one of the group of learned living languages.


Curate, ut valeatis!
Lentulus

--- Mer 5/8/09, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> ha scritto:

Da: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Lingua Latina vivens
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Mercoledì 5 agosto 2009, 10:15

 

 A. Tullia Scholastica Annae Jesseque quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Nova- Roma%40yahoogrou ps.com> <http:///mc/compose?to=Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>  , Jesse Corradino <woden66@...> wrote:
 
>
> It's weird how things are around here.  If I were to suggest that I could float objects with my mind, I would be taken seriously.  If on the other hand I suggested that a "language" no longer in use except by an elite few is a language that has fallen into disuse, I'm berrated for being an idiot

    ATS: No, Jesse, you were not being berated for being an idiot.  You may have swallowed some bait dangled before you by some misinformed parties, however.  

Latin is a dead language. Having some parts of a dead language used for terminology does not make it alive.

    ATS:  Anna, a dead language is one which is not used for communication.  Ancient Egyptian is a dead language.  Latin is used for communication, and is NOT a dead language.  I suggest that you, too, obtain the textbook for the Rudimenta Latina course, and take the course as soon as it is offered.  We discuss the differences between living and dead languages in that course.  Furthermore, there is an all-Latin mailing list to which several of us belong, there is an all-Latin academic journal, there are dozens of immersion seminars and other events throughout the US and Europe, and possibly elsewhere.  I have seen a  half-hour video of such a meeting held in Finland some years back.  Latin was the common language, and everyone spoke nothing but Latin during the entire meeting.  There are also the Nuntii Latini, news items in Latin read by well-known professors from Finland, and a written news journal published by one of the members of the Latin mailing list, the Grex Latine Loquentium.  We have an all-Latin list for NR as well.  Latin is used for communication among people speaking different vernaculars, and is anything but dead.  


 A livimg language is one that changes, evolves, and is used in a common vernacular by a people.

    Yes, most of that is part of the definition.  It need not be a vernacular, however, but why not start here?  Latin has new terminology for things the Romans never conceived, and eventually there will be changes since it is in use.  The poster child for this is Hebrew, which apparently was dead as a doornail until Israel resurrected it for use by its citizens.   


You are not wrong to say Latin is dead.

    Yes, you and anyone who claims Latin is dead is wrong, and is likely to be someone who prefers that it be mummified, since it is easier to cope with a language’s corpse than the living language itself.  No need to learn new words; no need to express new concepts in Latin...my, that is SO much easier.  Some classicists like it that way, too, but a lot of us do not, and are working to revive Latin.  Egyptian is dead; probably Old Norse and Old English are dead; Althochdeutsch is likely dead, but Hebrew and Latin have merely been in a nursing home for a while and out of things; they are back in use.  Rehab was successful.  



If NR is able to help "resurrect" it as a living spoken language(and there is a movement to do this), it will still not be the same Latin spoken in Ancient Rome.

    ATS:  No, it will evolve, which is part of the definition of a living language.  Living Latin already has a larger vocabulary than classical Latin, and there are variations among Latin speakers with regard to some vocabulary items, just as there is in any living language.  Read the Rudimenta text:  A Natural History of Latin, by Tore Janson, and preferably take the course so that you can benefit from Avitus’ erudition on this topic.  

-Anna


Valete.  

  
    

---

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 A. Tullia Scholastica C. Tullio Valeriano Germanico Annaeque quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salvete, omnes!

Most serious linguists these days recognize a distinction between truly "dead" languages (like Etruscan, where there isn't even a hope of using it today) and"conserved" languages (which have no native speakers, but conceivably could have - I could raise my hoped-for children to speak Latin as their first language, if I wanted to. 

    ATS:  And I hope that you will have children, and do just that.  

    Indeed, there is a difference between truly dead languages, and those commonly regarded as dead.  Etruscan falls into the first category, along with many other languages, while Latin is in the second.  The common view is that Latin is dead, but that may well be because those who hold it were instructed in this mythology, and/or are/were unaware of any community of actual Latin speakers.  There are far more who can write in Latin than who can speak it, even among NR citizens and/or major Latinists, but that does not mean that Latin is dead.  It is used for communication orally, in writing (both on the net and in hard copy, even books), and by proper definition, is NOT dead, much less extinct, as is Sumerian.  

    Incidentally, for anyone who has any doubts about matters academic, the wikipedia is not the best source of accurate information.  The Latin version has been plagued by a bunch of twentyish idiots who think they know more about Latin than does Avitus, and keep deleting his scholarly articles there.  

Cheers,
Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus


Valete, et vivat Latinitas!   

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:44 PM, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:

 
 
 

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >  
> >  A. Tullia Scholastica Annae Jesseque quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae
> > voluntatis S.P.D.
> >  

No. You're wrong. Latin is a dead language. Everyone knows this. There are no native speakers, the country of origin no longer speaks latin. It died.

Name for me a native Latin speaker and I will recant my above statement.

-Anna


  
    

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "novaromamovie" <novaromamovie@...> wrote:
>
> Ave!
>
> My name is Max Silver, and I'm an independent film producer in Minneapolis. I have come to you, Nova Romans, as a poor citizen with a great dream. A dream which I think might pique your interest...
>
> The year is 2685 A.U.C., and Rome has flourished after conquering the Persians, the Chinese, the Goths, the oceans and the stars. Every square foot of "Terra Nostrum" is Roman. However, when they deplete the oil reserves, their society is split into two: those they can afford to feed, and those they can't. It is an impossible task to fight your way from rags to robes, but an easy slope to slide back down.
>
> Through this setting, a love story unlike any other will be told.
>
> NOVA ROMA is the story of a young woman named Dorea who is oblivious to the fact that her slave is in love with her. When she is unjustly expelled from her University, she sets her slave free, unknowingly breaking his heart. Suicide, robbery and slavery envelop her, leading her to discover the only thing truly more powerful than Rome.
>
> Between fantasy and sci-fi, between historical and modern, this world exists. Our costumes, sets, props and actors will portray a new, modern society whose ancient roots are still visible. This is the basis for what we know will be a great work of short fiction.
>
> Everyone we talk to is intrigued by the concept, and we hope you are as well. We would absolutely love to talk with anyone who is interested, either to discuss how Roman culture might have evolved to this time, to imagine the society they would have become, or just to say "ave." Please, please contact us if you are intrigued by this concept--the support of this group would mean the world to us.
>
> We can be reached at: contact@...
>
> Also see our website, which will be updated regularly (but is now rather empty): www.NovaRomaMovie.com
>
> Once again, your support and ideas would help make this film and this world become more than just a dream. It would become Nova Roma.
>
> Vale.
>

> Salve,
>  
> Thank you. Some are guests in my house (yoo hoo, Modianus, there is still room at Villa Sempronii). There is a provincial plan afoot to do, at least, a provincial conventus next year to increase local face to face interaction.. That is what is needed. Perhaps, build up the grass roots and local Nova Roma to really sustain a national, and later, international level of real face to face interactions.
>
> Actual events will also draw attention to Nova Roma, and hopefully, new citizens that have something substantial to look forward to in Nova Roma other than the the main list.
>  
> Vale,
> A. Sempronius Regulus 
>
> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Conventus
> To: "Nova-Roma" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:56 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Salvete
>  
> As I am unable to attend in person I wanted to wish all those who are attending the first North American Conventus all the best. May your travels be safe, your conversations friendly and plentiful and your meals delightful.
>  
> Have fun yall
>  
>  
> Valete
>  
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>  
>

 A. Tullia Scholastica Jesse omnibus qui hac de re scripserunt S.P.D.
 

Salve,
 
My friend Dan Cummings the classicist, who some of your Tuscon Nova Romans may know although he's back in New York now, was at an immersion gathering for Latin and he met two such children.  He said it was incredible, but they used Latin in conversation as readily-perhaps moreso!-would use English.

    ATS:  And you still think Latin is dead?  Does Anna?  
 
 
I see what you and Lentulus are saying, and I think you have some good points.  All I guess I ask in the end is to not be remonstrated so harshly for expressing a fairly common point of view.

    ATS:  Indeed, this is a very common belief, one several of us are trying to eradicate.  I am sorry if you were upset by my initial (or other) comments, but no offense was intended.  We must speak out, and forcefully, when such a belief is expressed here in NR (of all places!).  That is part of my duty as a teacher, and as a classicist.  I must say that it is nice to see a discussion on such an academic topic here, one on which people are contributing interesting information and not at each others’ throats when they disagree.  That is a huge improvement over the usual bickering.   

    Lingua nostra si taceret, decus nostrum occideret...
 
Vale,
 
GCC

Vale, et valete.  
 

---

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: fororom@...
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:49:52 -0400
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Lingua Latina vivens

 A. Tullia Scholastica Jesse, Lentulo, quiritibus sociis peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    Inasmuch as I am leaving for a very long and arduous road trip to conventus tomorrow, I shan’t be able to answer as many posts on this topic as I would like, or do so as fully as I might prefer.  However...
 

You can't just slap the word "scientific" on something to furnish it as proof, especially in a debate where such usage is contrived to support your position a priori. I've read linguistic texts and have never come across this "scientific" language classification system you found that conventiently classifies Latin as a "Living, Learned Language."  Would you cite a reference for this publication?

    ATS:  Probably this is dealt with in the text for the Rudimenta course, A Natural History of Latin; if not, it almost surely is in Avitus’ lesson for the first trimester of that short course.  He would have to list his sources.  

     There is a difference, too, between dead and extinct (Latin has NEVER been extinct, though classical Greek was lost to the Western world during the Dark Ages)...but Latin is a learned, living language.  It is also entirely possible that some classicists teach their offspring Latin as a first language, though many of us are not so fortunate as to find a life partner or to reproduce, a matter which should satisfy even the common definition.  

Valete.  
 

---

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: cn_corn_lent@...
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:48:59 +0000
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Lingua Latina vivens



Cn. Lentulus omnibus sal.


Scholastica is scientifically right. These are the four groups of languages:

Living language: a language that is spoken.
Dead language: a language that is not spoken any more.
Native language: a language that is learned as one's mother tongue, first languge.
Learned language: a language that is learned after one's native language.

According to these categories, there are:

Dead languages - Etruscan, ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Dalmatian etc...
Native living languages - English, French, Hungarian etc...
Learned living languages - Esperanto, Latin, Sanskrit etc...

So, the point is that Latin is one of the group of learned living languages.


Curate, ut valeatis!
Lentulus

--- Mer 5/8/09, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> ha scritto:

Da: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Lingua Latina vivens
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Mercoledì 5 agosto 2009, 10:15

 

 A. Tullia Scholastica Annae Jesseque quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Nova- Roma%40yahoogrou ps.com> <mailto:Nova-%20Roma@yahoogrou%20ps.com>  <http:///mc/compose?to=Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>  , Jesse Corradino <woden66@...> wrote:
 
>
> It's weird how things are around here.  If I were to suggest that I could float objects with my mind, I would be taken seriously.  If on the other hand I suggested that a "language" no longer in use except by an elite few is a language that has fallen into disuse, I'm berrated for being an idiot

    ATS: No, Jesse, you were not being berated for being an idiot.  You may have swallowed some bait dangled before you by some misinformed parties, however.  

Latin is a dead language. Having some parts of a dead language used for terminology does not make it alive.

    ATS:  Anna, a dead language is one which is not used for communication.  Ancient Egyptian is a dead language.  Latin is used for communication, and is NOT a dead language.  I suggest that you, too, obtain the textbook for the Rudimenta Latina course, and take the course as soon as it is offered.  We discuss the differences between living and dead languages in that course.  Furthermore, there is an all-Latin mailing list to which several of us belong, there is an all-Latin academic journal, there are dozens of immersion seminars and other events throughout the US and Europe, and possibly elsewhere.  I have seen a  half-hour video of such a meeting held in Finland some years back.  Latin was the common language, and everyone spoke nothing but Latin during the entire meeting.  There are also the Nuntii Latini, news items in Latin read by well-known professors from Finland, and a written news journal published by one of the members of the Latin mailing list, the Grex Latine Loquentium.  We have an all-Latin list for NR as well.  Latin is used for communication among people speaking different vernaculars, and is anything but dead.  


 A livimg language is one that changes, evolves, and is used in a common vernacular by a people.

    Yes, most of that is part of the definition.  It need not be a vernacular, however, but why not start here?  Latin has new terminology for things the Romans never conceived, and eventually there will be changes since it is in use.  The poster child for this is Hebrew, which apparently was dead as a doornail until Israel resurrected it for use by its citizens.   


You are not wrong to say Latin is dead.

    Yes, you and anyone who claims Latin is dead is wrong, and is likely to be someone who prefers that it be mummified, since it is easier to cope with a language’s corpse than the living language itself.  No need to learn new words; no need to express new concepts in Latin...my, that is SO much easier.  Some classicists like it that way, too, but a lot of us do not, and are working to revive Latin.  Egyptian is dead; probably Old Norse and Old English are dead; Althochdeutsch is likely dead, but Hebrew and Latin have merely been in a nursing home for a while and out of things; they are back in use.  Rehab was successful.  



If NR is able to help "resurrect" it as a living spoken language(and there is a movement to do this), it will still not be the same Latin spoken in Ancient Rome.

    ATS:  No, it will evolve, which is part of the definition of a living language.  Living Latin already has a larger vocabulary than classical Latin, and there are variations among Latin speakers with regard to some vocabulary items, just as there is in any living language.  Read the Rudimenta text:  A Natural History of Latin, by Tore Janson, and preferably take the course so that you can benefit from Avitus’ erudition on this topic.  

-Anna


Valete.  

  
    

 A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Galerio Paulino quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salvete
 
As I am unable to attend in person I wanted to wish all those who are attending the first North American Conventus all the best. May your travels be safe, your conversations friendly and plentiful and your meals delightful.

    ATS:  Plurimas gratias!  I think we shall have some good conversations and the restaurants seem to think that their cuisine is excellent (we shall see...), but I am definitely not looking forward to the process of getting there, far worse than the horrors of getting to the vanished RD.   Scotty, please get that damn transporter fixed...and I’m still waiting for that personal AC unit.  
 
Have fun yall

    ATS:  Let’s hope so.  Missed you at the last RD.  
 
 
Valete
 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
 
Vale, et valete.  
  

> So, the modern Romance languages are alive and Latin is dead. Old English is dead too.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Gualtere
>
> > So, the modern Romance languages are alive and Latin is dead. Old English is dead too.
>
> Latin is dying at each generation and reborning at each generation. It is allways dying but never dead. And so we can read Cicero, in his own words, and Cicero (if he was immortal) could read the tractatus of Spinoza as Spinoza was able to read the writings of Cicero.
>
> As a language without evolution it is not touched by the death or the declin. The grammar rules are the same and fixed since the time of Augustus, Cicero and Spinoza and Rubricastellanus (A German who translated in Latin the Astérix the Gaul' adventures) speak the same language and should be able to understand themselves, even if one of them was born before Christ, Spinoza in the XVII century and Rubricastellanus in the XX century.
>
> Vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

> Hebrew was never fully DEAD. It was just limited to religious ceremonial language.

>
> C. Petronius L. Sullae s.p.d.,
>
> > Hebrew was never fully DEAD. It was just limited to religious ceremonial language.
>
> As Latin now is in some lands and catholic communities and more generally was before Vatican II council.
>
> But Latin was also the language used by students untill the XX century.
>
> Vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia G. Petronio spd;
> as always you put it so well, poor Gualterus I have no idea why he joins a reconstructionist society when he is so firmly against it! I saw a book the other day in the library, a collection of Roman prayers in Latin by a German, writtien entirely in Latin and the book was dated maybe 1890!
> It will be a world lingua franca again, I have no doubt. Look at Lentulus speaking to that young man in Belarus, marvellous.
> optime vale
> Maior
>
>
> - In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> > C. Petronius L. Sullae s.p.d.,
> >
> > > Hebrew was never fully DEAD. It was just limited to religious ceremonial language.
> >
> > As Latin now is in some lands and catholic communities and more generally was before Vatican II council.
> >
> > But Latin was also the language used by students untill the XX century.
> >
> > Vale.
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> >
>

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:

 

Salve Maior,

 

you are packing your toga ?

 

Is that meant literally as - please correct me if I am wrong - only men do wear the toga and women wear

the palla and stola.We should be consistent when following our Roman ancestors.

 

All the best for the conventus and for everybody to join.

 

May the Gods bless you and the conventus.

 

Roma aeterna !

 

Titus Flavius Aquila

>>>> If you want to speak with different definitions, that is your prerogative, but you need to make your alternate definitions clear so people understand you're not employing the standard ones, to avoid confusion. So, if you say, "no, Latin is a living language", the better thing to say is, "I prefer to use a different definition of 'living' and 'dead' and classify Latin in the former.">>>

>>> I prefer to use the standard ones and do not think employing alternate definitions as you described is productive or useful.<<<

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salve Nero
>
>
>
> "A world unified under Rome certainly wouldn't have had a world war let alone two?"
>
>
>
> While world history would be different if Rome had never fallen I am sure it still would have had to deal with revolts and rebellions and some might have been on a global scale as this
>
> "Roma Eternal" was a globe empire . The British after all controlled a quarter of the globe but still had revolts from time to time. Some they were able to manage and others they were not.
>
>
>
> The American War of Independence was at first a localized provincial affair that ended up a world war.
>
>
> Vale
>
>
>
> Paulinus
>
>
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: rikudemyx@...
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:31:48 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Roma Movie - we need your help!
>
>
>
>
>
> Salvete,
> The whole idea sounds fantastic however it brings into the realm all sorts of questions, for example the most important one to consider, Pagan Rome or christian Rome?
> Obviously the diffrence in religion would effect the diffrence of where Rome would be today.
> If it was Pagan Rome would there still be persecussion?
> You mentioned a slave in your letter how would we have slaves/ By lands we conqured or by race?
> Would the ancient Plebian/Patrician animosities still exist/ or would it be like the African Amrican civil rights movement?
> Would a Plebian have sat at the front of the bus in the fifties and now Plebs and Patricians would be hand in hand friends.
> Would we still be speaking Latin or English or a mix of the languages of the lands we had defeated.
> Would all roads still lead to Rome or would we have multiple Rome's around the world.
> What new Gods would we have discovered?
> Gay Rights without hinderance by religion maybe even boosted by the Gods?
> A world unified under Rome certainly wouldn't have had a world war let alone two?
> Guns?
> Nukes?
> ah sorry I'm going off here point is it sounds absolutly amazing, and Senate allowance permiting I would love to help out.
> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant
> RGIN
> RIKV GAIVS IVNIVS NERO
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "novaromamovie" <novaromamovie@> wrote:
> >
> > Ave!
> >
> > My name is Max Silver, and I'm an independent film producer in Minneapolis. I have come to you, Nova Romans, as a poor citizen with a great dream. A dream which I think might pique your interest...
> >
> > The year is 2685 A.U.C., and Rome has flourished after conquering the Persians, the Chinese, the Goths, the oceans and the stars. Every square foot of "Terra Nostrum" is Roman. However, when they deplete the oil reserves, their society is split into two: those they can afford to feed, and those they can't. It is an impossible task to fight your way from rags to robes, but an easy slope to slide back down.
> >
> > Through this setting, a love story unlike any other will be told.
> >
> > NOVA ROMA is the story of a young woman named Dorea who is oblivious to the fact that her slave is in love with her. When she is unjustly expelled from her University, she sets her slave free, unknowingly breaking his heart. Suicide, robbery and slavery envelop her, leading her to discover the only thing truly more powerful than Rome.
> >
> > Between fantasy and sci-fi, between historical and modern, this world exists. Our costumes, sets, props and actors will portray a new, modern society whose ancient roots are still visible. This is the basis for what we know will be a great work of short fiction.
> >
> > Everyone we talk to is intrigued by the concept, and we hope you are as well. We would absolutely love to talk with anyone who is interested, either to discuss how Roman culture might have evolved to this time, to imagine the society they would have become, or just to say "ave." Please, please contact us if you are intrigued by this concept--the support of this group would mean the world to us.
> >
> > We can be reached at: contact@
> >
> > Also see our website, which will be updated regularly (but is now rather empty): www.NovaRomaMovie.com
> >
> > Once again, your support and ideas would help make this film and this world become more than just a dream. It would become Nova Roma.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
>

>>> If Latin were to ever make a comeback, it would need similar efforts to make it happen. [Similar to the refounding of Israel - Lent.] The biggest single drawback for Latin is that it is not tied to any specific current ethnic group. While the populations of France, Spain and Italy cover most of the European extent of the ancient Romans, with 1500 years of history and migrations between them there is no longer any "Roman" or "Latin" ethnic identity as distinct from the modern national identities.<<<

>>> In the absence of ethnic cultural and/or political revivals, I am not sure that any linguistic revival (latin or otherwise) would get the traction it needed to succeed. <<<<

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:

 

Titus Flavius Aquila Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus salutem plurimam dicit

 

Maybe I am too traditional , but ideally yes, I would like to see the roots followed set by our ancestors.

 

The Toga for the men and the palla and stola for the women, like we do in the Provincia Germania in official ceremonies for example.

 

This is not meant in any way to put down the women in Nova Roma at all , for me it is just a way to follow our ancestors. I know one could discuss this

in controversial ways. Maybe everybody should decide for him/herself.

 

How about in religious ceremonies ?

 

optime vale 

Titus Flavius Aquila

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>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kveldulf@... wrote:
>
> <<1.7. R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Lingua Latina vivens
>The only Latin dictionaries I have ever seen have been for classical Latin. Are there any published
> with recent usages and new words? Is there a central oversight body / committee that manages introduction
> of new Latin words?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
>
> Titus Flavius Aquila Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> yes, I know how Roma Antiqua did define women, and it is a difficult subject as we would like to be a model of the Republican Rome.
>
> We in Germania have decided to keep as close as possible to our ancestors rules and roots. Thus only men are wearing the Toga
> and women the Palla and Stola. In our eyes this looks much better. But as I have said before, everyone should decide for him/herself how to dress and I would not make it a rule.
>
> Regarding religious ceremonies I had thought about the dress for the women to wear, as either participant of a ceremony or as priestess.
> Personally I think that a Roman woman in a Toga, well, looks a littlebit strange, especially in a religious ceremony. But this is my personal point of
> view.
>
> optime vale
> Titus Flavius Aquila

 

avete omnes

>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Kveldulf@... wrote:
>
> <<1.7. R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Lingua Latina vivens
>The only Latin dictionaries I have ever seen have been for classical Latin. Are there any published
> with recent usages and new words? Is there a central oversight body / committee that manages introduction
> of new Latin words?

The Vatican does, here at http://www.vatican. va/roman_ curia/institutio ns_connected/ latinitas/ documents/ rc_latinitas_ 20040601_ lexicon_it. html

valete
M IVL PERVSIANVS

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