> This is the German "equivalent" of the British Arthur legends exploited by the Nazis in terms of the heimliche Kaiser motif. 

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gequitiuscato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> I would like us to take this moment to remember the victims of the horrific attacks on my city, on the Pentagon in Washington DC, and of the crashing of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania on 11 September 2001.
>
> Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Te
> decet hymnus Deus, in Sion, et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem.
> Exaudi orationem meam; ad te omnis caro veniet. Requiem æternam dona
> eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Absolve, Domine, animas
> omnium fidelium defunctorum ab omno vinculo delictorum et gratia tua
> illis succurente mereantur evadere iudicium ultionis, et lucis æterne
> beatitudine perfrui. In paradisum deducant te Angeli; in tuo adventu
> suscipiant te martyres, et perducant te in civitatem sanctam
> Ierusalem. Chorus angelorum te suscipiat, et cum Lazaro quondam
> paupere æternam habeas requiem. Dona eis requiem sempiternam.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>

---

From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gequitiuscato
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:14 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] In Memoriam

 

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Salvete.

I would like us to take this moment to remember the victims of the horrific attacks on my city, on the Pentagon in Washington DC, and of the crashing of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania on 11 September 2001.

Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Te
decet hymnus Deus, in Sion, et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem.
Exaudi orationem meam; ad te omnis caro veniet. Requiem æternam dona
eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Absolve, Domine, animas
omnium fidelium defunctorum ab omno vinculo delictorum et gratia tua
illis succurente mereantur evadere iudicium ultionis, et lucis æterne
beatitudine perfrui. In paradisum deducant te Angeli; in tuo adventu
suscipiant te martyres, et perducant te in civitatem sanctam
Ierusalem. Chorus angelorum te suscipiat, et cum Lazaro quondam
paupere æternam habeas requiem. Dona eis requiem sempiternam.

Valete,

Cato

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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, william horan <teach_mentor@...> wrote:
>
> This video is quite reflective on the matter. Cato you strike me as a man, who just loves diamonds. How's the weather in N.Y.C. today? Reflect on these lyrics if you dare peer into the american soul.
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Z4K_WWeBA&NR=1&feature=fvwp
>  
>
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> I would like us to take this moment to remember the victims of the horrific attacks on my city, on the Pentagon in Washington DC, and of the crashing of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania on 11 September 2001.
>
> Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Te
> decet hymnus Deus, in Sion, et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem.
> Exaudi orationem meam; ad te omnis caro veniet. Requiem æternam dona
> eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Absolve, Domine, animas
> omnium fidelium defunctorum ab omno vinculo delictorum et gratia tua
> illis succurente mereantur evadere iudicium ultionis, et lucis æterne
> beatitudine perfrui. In paradisum deducant te Angeli; in tuo adventu
> suscipiant te martyres, et perducant te in civitatem sanctam
> Ierusalem. Chorus angelorum te suscipiat, et cum Lazaro quondam
> paupere æternam habeas requiem. Dona eis requiem sempiternam.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>

>Why should an unpopular opinion be censored?

>I was a paratrooper in Iraq and have seen more death & pain than you probably ever will.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, william horan <teach_mentor@...> wrote:
>
> The point I am trying to make is that no event takes place in isolation. Why should an unpopular opinion be censored? I was a paratrooper in Iraq and have seen more death & pain than you probably ever will. "In Memorium" is a term that is applicable to ALL, who died and not just americans. We need to reflect on why these people were murdered in order to try to give some meaning to their deaths.
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gequitiuscato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> I would like us to take this moment to remember the victims of the horrific attacks on my city, on the Pentagon in Washington DC, and of the crashing of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania on 11 September 2001.
>
> Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Te
> decet hymnus Deus, in Sion, et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem.
> Exaudi orationem meam; ad te omnis caro veniet. Requiem æternam dona
> eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Absolve, Domine, animas
> omnium fidelium defunctorum ab omno vinculo delictorum et gratia tua
> illis succurente mereantur evadere iudicium ultionis, et lucis æterne
> beatitudine perfrui. In paradisum deducant te Angeli; in tuo adventu
> suscipiant te martyres, et perducant te in civitatem sanctam
> Ierusalem. Chorus angelorum te suscipiat, et cum Lazaro quondam
> paupere æternam habeas requiem. Dona eis requiem sempiternam.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>

>
>

>
> Salvete;
> it's the Ludi Romani ancient and important celebration to Iuppiter Opitimus Maximus, we can't mourn during such a festivity. The Ludi Roman take place from pridie nonas Oct [sept 4] finishing with a grand lectisternum to the Capitoline Triad on the Ides.
>
>
> If You, Father of the Gods and of men, hold back our enemies, at least from this spot, delivering the Romans from their terror, and stay their shameful retreat, then this I vow to You, Jupiter Stator, that a holy precinct and shrine will be built in Your honor as a memorial to remind our descendents of how once the city of Rome was saved by Your aid (Livy 1.12.6-7)
> Rather:
>
> We can ask M. Moravius Piscinus if we can make a memorium on the dies ater below with a sacrice to the manes of those brave men and women from September 11th.
>
> on XVIII Kal. Oct [sept 14]
> Dies Ater Procession of the Equites equo publico, those in a special class of citizens who were provided with horses at public expense. Wearing red togae and riding white horses, their procession wound from the Campus Martius to the Capitolium, stopping along the way to offer sacrifices at the Temple of Castor and Castori
>
> bene valete in vi
>
> All the calendar information and exerpts were made by M.Moravius Piscinus Hortaianus and can be found at SVR here
> http://www.societasviaromana.net/Collegium_Religionis/calsep.php
>
> I foro SPD
> >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> "Yet the Gods do not give lightly of the powers they have made.
> And with Challenger and seven, once again the price is paid.
> Though a nation watched her falling, yet a world could only cry
> As they passed from us to glory, riding fire in the sky."
>
> ( - Jordin Kare: "Fire in the Sky")
>
> Francis R. Scobee, Commander
> Michael J. Smith, Pilot
> Judith A. Resnik, Mission Specialist 1
> Ellison S. Onizuka, Mission Specialist 2
> Ronald E. McNair, Mission Specialist 3
> Gregory B. Jarvis, Payload Specialist 1
> Sharon Christa McAuliffe, Payload Specialist 2
>
> STS-51-L
> January 28 1986
> 11:39 EST
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...)
> Graveyards of Chicago: http://www.graveyards.com
>
> Anything worth doing is worth doing to excess;
> moderation is for monks. - Heinlein
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] In Memoriam - A Prayer for the Fallen


> May Hecate's torches guide safely into Hades
> They who braved fire, smoke, and tumbling stone
> Eight years ago, this day.
> May Her fleet-footed hounds lead the weary, now freed,
> Souls of men and women who shine like stars
> In the everlasting Light of their courage and love.
> May we, yet living, yet remembering,
> Find comfort in the love of our fellows
> And strength in our resolve
> To calmly hold our enemy to account.
>
> Blessed be.
>
> Paulla Corva Gaudialis
> Sacerdos of Provincia
> America Austroccidentalis
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


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On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Shoshana Hathaway wrote:
>
> Thank you, Paula, for this. I can say no more, nor need I, I think.
>
> C. Maria Caeca, very much moved.
>
>

I agree.

Venator

> Can you wtire a poem for the bombing victims in Belgrade?

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:56 PM, william horan wrote:
>
> Can you write a poem for the bombing victims in Belgrade?
>

Frankly, no, unless you can give me a report of who they were and why
they should be important to me...

Though there is a wide range of folk here in Nova Roma who I like and
respect, few strangers have a hold on my compassion. My personal
feelings are reserved for those in whom I can have a vested interest
in their lives...this does include many who I have"met" through Nova
Roma over the years, as well as other venues.

If you are truly as you claim (a military man, in service to the
United States of America), I'd believe you would feel similarly.
Otherwise,you are lying to yourself.

I have been Nova Roman for a long time, but I am still, primarily, a
US citizen, whose concern is with US interests.

I do not believe in the impossible "universal brotherhood of man." I
am not Christian.

=====================================
In amicitia et fide
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.

>
> Did you know any of the 911 victims?
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, william horan <teach_mentor@...> wrote:
>
I was a paratrooper in Iraq and have seen more death & pain than you probably ever will.

I served in three wars and quite a few other operations. It strikes me as rather odd that you refer to yourself as a paratrooper. There are light infantry, airborne, or airmobile units in US forces, but I don't believe we use the term paratrooper any longer. Just for my own curiosity, when did you serve, in what unit, and in whose army?

Vale

M. Moravius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, william horan <teach_mentor@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Iulia,
>  
> Everyone reads just what you want to read and interpret according to what serves their own motivations. That's why we mourn the victims of 911, but not the hundreds of thousands of dead Ieaqis, or the victims of the terrible civilian bombings of Belgrade. My post was intended to make people consider the overall picture.
>
> Although you did not censor my comment, you felt that it needed some "moderator's note." What is the purpose of such a thing unless to pass some tacit/implied judgement on the validity of the posting? In this light, my sentence is quite "applicable." I think that mentioning the tragic deaths of millions of innocents on this day is entirely "applicable." It saddens me to have the impression that you do not. I took the moment of logic you suggested before I made the posting. The posting was intended to induce all of us to "take a brief moment of logic."
>  
> Yes, I do mention my service to my country from time to time. If you truly appreciated my service as you claim, you would not infer that my mentioning it is  lacking dignity. I also protest your statement regarding "my stage in life and life experience." Quite frankly, it seems like it is you, who are snapping at judgements and overgeneralizations. Furthermore, age dosn't play an important factor in this issue. A fool can be young or old.
> En fin, I hope I have clarified my point with sufficient simplicity for you to see that your statement "rather than a discussion or a memorial to those who died on 9-11 in my opinion it appears that you do not wish to engage in a discussion or memorial of those who died that day, but an argument." is totally unfair, illogical and actually in quite poor taste. I am not angered by your statements and what I am writing now is neither "heated" nor poorly thought out. I read & hear nonsense, propaganda and unfairly biased statements every day. If you are old, why should you be any different? I just want to see if you have the morale character, courage and maturity to allow this posting to be read. 
>
> Vale,
>  
> Quintus Marius Silvanus
>
> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, luciaiuliaaquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: luciaiuliaaquila <dis_pensible@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Memoriam
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:29 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Salve Silvane,
>
> You appear to read just what you want to read and interpret according to what serves your own motivation.
>
> >Why should an unpopular opinion be censored?
>
> Your sentence is not applicable. I never mentioned anything about it being "censored", but I would have approved it with a moderator's note. In this thread, in my opinion, discussions like this, move away from the topic and I have seen too many good topics get sullied by arguments and interjections of just the same kind of video you posted.
>
> It takes a brief moment of logic and reason to come to an understanding of what the thread is about.
>
> >I was a paratrooper in Iraq and have seen more death & pain than you probably ever will.
>
> I have heard you mention this time and time again, I appreciate your service to our country and honor you for this a true and noble sacrifice.
> But... You have no idea what I have or have not seen, this is indicative of your stage of life and life experiences.
> I do not share my deepest experiences, without much consideration, on the internet for those who I do not know to see,they are private, this is indicative of dignitas.
> I have known and lost many who have seen many of the horrors of wars -I am far older than you and you might take stock that there are many who have had similar, if not worse, experiences than you have had.
>
> En fin, rather than a discussion or a memorial to those who died on 9-11 in my opinion it appears that you do not wish to engage in a discussion or memorial of those who died that day, but an argument.
> You won't get one from me.
> If, and I repeat *if* you read this as an angered or heated statement, then you could not be more wrong and should look deeper into your own *soul* for your true motivation.
>
> In amicitia,
>
> L. Iulia Aquila
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, william horan <teach_mentor@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > The point I am trying to make is that no event takes place in isolation. Why should an unpopular opinion be censored? I was a paratrooper in Iraq and have seen more death & pain than you probably ever will. "In Memorium" is a term that is applicable to ALL, who died and not just americans. We need to reflect on why these people were murdered in order to try to give some meaning to their deaths.
> >
>

>
> Salve Silvane,
>
> Bless your heart~
>
> Vale
>
> L. Iulia Aquila
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, william horan <teach_mentor@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Iulia,
> >  
> > Everyone reads just what you want to read and interpret according to what serves their own motivations. That's why we mourn the victims of 911, but not the hundreds of thousands of dead Ieaqis, or the victims of the terrible civilian bombings of Belgrade. My post was intended to make people consider the overall picture.
> >
> > Although you did not censor my comment, you felt that it needed some "moderator's note." What is the purpose of such a thing unless to pass some tacit/implied judgement on the validity of the posting? In this light, my sentence is quite "applicable." I think that mentioning the tragic deaths of millions of innocents on this day is entirely "applicable." It saddens me to have the impression that you do not. I took the moment of logic you suggested before I made the posting. The posting was intended to induce all of us to "take a brief moment of logic."
> >  
> > Yes, I do mention my service to my country from time to time. If you truly appreciated my service as you claim, you would not infer that my mentioning it is  lacking dignity. I also protest your statement regarding "my stage in life and life experience." Quite frankly, it seems like it is you, who are snapping at judgements and overgeneralizations. Furthermore, age dosn't play an important factor in this issue. A fool can be young or old.
> > En fin, I hope I have clarified my point with sufficient simplicity for you to see that your statement "rather than a discussion or a memorial to those who died on 9-11 in my opinion it appears that you do not wish to engage in a discussion or memorial of those who died that day, but an argument." is totally unfair, illogical and actually in quite poor taste. I am not angered by your statements and what I am writing now is neither "heated" nor poorly thought out. I read & hear nonsense, propaganda and unfairly biased statements every day. If you are old, why should you be any different? I just want to see if you have the morale character, courage and maturity to allow this posting to be read. 
> >
> > Vale,
> >  
> > Quintus Marius Silvanus
> >
> > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, luciaiuliaaquila <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: luciaiuliaaquila <dis_pensible@>
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Memoriam
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:29 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve Silvane,
> >
> > You appear to read just what you want to read and interpret according to what serves your own motivation.
> >
> > >Why should an unpopular opinion be censored?
> >
> > Your sentence is not applicable. I never mentioned anything about it being "censored", but I would have approved it with a moderator's note. In this thread, in my opinion, discussions like this, move away from the topic and I have seen too many good topics get sullied by arguments and interjections of just the same kind of video you posted.
> >
> > It takes a brief moment of logic and reason to come to an understanding of what the thread is about.
> >
> > >I was a paratrooper in Iraq and have seen more death & pain than you probably ever will.
> >
> > I have heard you mention this time and time again, I appreciate your service to our country and honor you for this a true and noble sacrifice.
> > But... You have no idea what I have or have not seen, this is indicative of your stage of life and life experiences.
> > I do not share my deepest experiences, without much consideration, on the internet for those who I do not know to see,they are private, this is indicative of dignitas.
> > I have known and lost many who have seen many of the horrors of wars -I am far older than you and you might take stock that there are many who have had similar, if not worse, experiences than you have had.
> >
> > En fin, rather than a discussion or a memorial to those who died on 9-11 in my opinion it appears that you do not wish to engage in a discussion or memorial of those who died that day, but an argument.
> > You won't get one from me.
> > If, and I repeat *if* you read this as an angered or heated statement, then you could not be more wrong and should look deeper into your own *soul* for your true motivation.
> >
> > In amicitia,
> >
> > L. Iulia Aquila
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, william horan <teach_mentor@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > The point I am trying to make is that no event takes place in isolation. Why should an unpopular opinion be censored? I was a paratrooper in Iraq and have seen more death & pain than you probably ever will. "In Memorium" is a term that is applicable to ALL, who died and not just americans. We need to reflect on why these people were murdered in order to try to give some meaning to their deaths.
> > >
> >
>

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM, <Kveldulf@...> wrote:
>
>  [a very good essay with many point of agreement within my own views]

Thank you.

vale - Venator

>
> Salvete,
>
> OMG
>
> Can  someone please check the amount of ice in hell as I am in complete agreement with Maior.
>
>
> Valete,
>
> Paulinus
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
> I just received notice of a movie to be released on the Neoplatonist philosopher and mathematician, Hypathia. It is Alejandro Amenábar's Agora.
> Valete,
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>

> Some well-informed comments from a cultural blogger at the Guardian:

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcvs Octavivs Corvvs" <mcorvvs@...> wrote:
Salvete collega,

At Ides Septembres I, M.Octavius Corvus on behalf of People of Nova Roma
performed Ides ritual for IOM for the first time, using the pattern sent to me
by PM M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
Rite was performed at the altar of Iuppiter.
Sacrifice was made by: incense, libum, wine. My eldest son assisted me. During
the ritual there was a complete silencium - no birds movement was detected.
After the libation of wine the fire has ceased. I consider it as a bad omen.
After I blew the fire sacrifice was totally consumed by the pyre.

I ask pontifices to give me advice on my my further actions.

Optime valete,

CORVVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "mcorvvs" <mcorvvs@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcvs Octavivs Corvvs" <mcorvvs@> wrote:
> Salvete collega,
>
> At Ides Septembres I, M.Octavius Corvus on behalf of People of Nova Roma
> performed Ides ritual for IOM for the first time, using the pattern sent to me
> by PM M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
> Rite was performed at the altar of Iuppiter.
> Sacrifice was made by: incense, libum, wine. My eldest son assisted me. During
> the ritual there was a complete silencium - no birds movement was detected.
> After the libation of wine the fire has ceased. I consider it as a bad omen.
> After I blew the fire sacrifice was totally consumed by the pyre.
>
> I ask pontifices to give me advice on my my further actions.
>
> Optime valete,
>
> CORVVS
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
> M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus M. Octavio Corvo Sacerdoti Iovis salutem plurimama dicit:
>
> Gratias Magnas tibi ago. Juppiter, Marce Octavi, salvete iubet.
>
> This would appear to have been a human error, rather than a sign of disapproval from the Gods. And thus you ought to offer a piaculum sacrifice for your error. That is, perform the ritual again and include some extra morsel, asking Jupiter to forgive the error.
>
> In pouring a libation one should not pour the wine directly onto the fire. Rather, it is poured around the edges of the hollow in which the fire is seated. Therefore the wine is thinned out in a ring about the fire and slowly seeps down towards it. If you use a metal bowl to hold the fire and slowly pour the wine around its edges, the wine should cook on the hot metal as it seeps towards the fire itself, and thereby not put out any live coals. Or if it does, it would only put out coals at the edge of the fire, yet still be close enough to be consumed by the heat.
>
>
> The Ides of September are especially important. With the dedication of the Capitolium by Marcus Horatius on that date, it marks the beginning of the Pax Deorum for the Res Publica Populi Romani. The hammering of the nail, in the sella of Minerva, marked another year of the commitment by the Res Publica to maintain the Pax Deorum. It was a special festival, too, in how a meal was shared by the Senate with Jupiter, Juno and Minerva.
>
> I have long celebrated this day as the first day of the New Year, with an offering of lamb and milk to Pater Jupiter, in the manner of nonno mio. He also invoked Jupiter on that date to benefit his vines, pouring wine and blood from the lamb on the roots of his vines. He did likewise in the spring. And thus yesterday I grilled lamb, immolating its fat and bones, with a morsel of meat, for Jupiter, along with wine.
>
> It was a very succulent lamb. Marinated in lemon juice, vinegar, olive oil, mustard and a little brown sugar, with rosemary, salt and pepper. I prepared it with parsnips and carrots from my garden, grilled with oil and vinegar and rosemary as well. Another dish of beets from the hortus Cereri was topped with balsemic vinegar heated with garlic. I am sure He enjoyed our meal together as much as I did.
>
> Afterward I settled in to watch Napoli play Genova. May Vediovis strike that referee for his poor performance. Anyway, it had me thinking. If you in the Ukraine and I in Ohio, along with others in places around the World coordinated our ceremonies, what a voice we might raise to the Gods on behalf of noster Res Publica, with all of joined together in a single celebration and enjoying a meal together with one another and together with the Gods.
>
> Vale optime, Amice, et vade in pace Deorum.
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "mcorvvs" <mcorvvs@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcvs Octavivs Corvvs" <mcorvvs@> wrote:
> > Salvete collega,
> >
> > At Ides Septembres I, M.Octavius Corvus on behalf of People of Nova Roma
> > performed Ides ritual for IOM for the first time, using the pattern sent to me
> > by PM M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
> > Rite was performed at the altar of Iuppiter.
> > Sacrifice was made by: incense, libum, wine. My eldest son assisted me. During
> > the ritual there was a complete silencium - no birds movement was detected.
> > After the libation of wine the fire has ceased. I consider it as a bad omen.
> > After I blew the fire sacrifice was totally consumed by the pyre.
> >
> > I ask pontifices to give me advice on my my further actions.
> >
> > Optime valete,
> >
> > CORVVS
> >
>

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From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aerdensrw
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Memoriam

 

Matt--As a NASA brat from Houston, I would like to thank you for quoting that poem. The loss of Challenger was my family's 9/11.

Paulla Corva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> "Yet the Gods do not give lightly of the powers they have made.
> And with Challenger and seven, once again the price is paid.
> Though a nation watched her falling, yet a world could only cry
> As they passed from us to glory, riding fire in the sky."
>
> ( - Jordin Kare: "Fire in the Sky")
>
> Francis R. Scobee, Commander
> Michael J. Smith, Pilot
> Judith A. Resnik, Mission Specialist 1
> Ellison S. Onizuka, Mission Specialist 2
> Ronald E. McNair, Mission Specialist 3
> Gregory B. Jarvis, Payload Specialist 1
> Sharon Christa McAuliffe, Payload Specialist 2
>
> STS-51-L
> January 28 1986
> 11:39 EST
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...)
> Graveyards of Chicago: http://www.graveyar ds.com
>
> Anything worth doing is worth doing to excess;
> moderation is for monks. - Heinlein
>

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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rikudemyx" <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Horatius,
> You said: . I am sure He enjoyed our meal together as much as I did.
> Forgove my error and ignorance if I'm wrong but I always thought that the Gods didn't actualy eat the food we offer, that it was symbolic of the money we spent on it. The preperation represents sacrifice of time. When we burn it it shows that it is not for human use.
> In fact now that I think on it I cannot recall any story where the Gods eat at all, besides Amprosia and Nectar. The one excepton would be the story of Ixion.
> Anyway I could be totaly wrong and proably am, I was simply curious.
> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant
> Nero
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> >
> > M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus M. Octavio Corvo Sacerdoti Iovis salutem plurimama dicit:
> >
> > Gratias Magnas tibi ago. Juppiter, Marce Octavi, salvete iubet.
> >
> > This would appear to have been a human error, rather than a sign of disapproval from the Gods. And thus you ought to offer a piaculum sacrifice for your error. That is, perform the ritual again and include some extra morsel, asking Jupiter to forgive the error.
> >
> > In pouring a libation one should not pour the wine directly onto the fire. Rather, it is poured around the edges of the hollow in which the fire is seated. Therefore the wine is thinned out in a ring about the fire and slowly seeps down towards it. If you use a metal bowl to hold the fire and slowly pour the wine around its edges, the wine should cook on the hot metal as it seeps towards the fire itself, and thereby not put out any live coals. Or if it does, it would only put out coals at the edge of the fire, yet still be close enough to be consumed by the heat.
> >
> >
> > The Ides of September are especially important. With the dedication of the Capitolium by Marcus Horatius on that date, it marks the beginning of the Pax Deorum for the Res Publica Populi Romani. The hammering of the nail, in the sella of Minerva, marked another year of the commitment by the Res Publica to maintain the Pax Deorum. It was a special festival, too, in how a meal was shared by the Senate with Jupiter, Juno and Minerva.
> >
> > I have long celebrated this day as the first day of the New Year, with an offering of lamb and milk to Pater Jupiter, in the manner of nonno mio. He also invoked Jupiter on that date to benefit his vines, pouring wine and blood from the lamb on the roots of his vines. He did likewise in the spring. And thus yesterday I grilled lamb, immolating its fat and bones, with a morsel of meat, for Jupiter, along with wine.
> >
> > It was a very succulent lamb. Marinated in lemon juice, vinegar, olive oil, mustard and a little brown sugar, with rosemary, salt and pepper. I prepared it with parsnips and carrots from my garden, grilled with oil and vinegar and rosemary as well. Another dish of beets from the hortus Cereri was topped with balsemic vinegar heated with garlic. I am sure He enjoyed our meal together as much as I did.
> >
> > Afterward I settled in to watch Napoli play Genova. May Vediovis strike that referee for his poor performance. Anyway, it had me thinking. If you in the Ukraine and I in Ohio, along with others in places around the World coordinated our ceremonies, what a voice we might raise to the Gods on behalf of noster Res Publica, with all of joined together in a single celebration and enjoying a meal together with one another and together with the Gods.
> >
> > Vale optime, Amice, et vade in pace Deorum.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "mcorvvs" <mcorvvs@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcvs Octavivs Corvvs" <mcorvvs@> wrote:
> > > Salvete collega,
> > >
> > > At Ides Septembres I, M.Octavius Corvus on behalf of People of Nova Roma
> > > performed Ides ritual for IOM for the first time, using the pattern sent to me
> > > by PM M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
> > > Rite was performed at the altar of Iuppiter.
> > > Sacrifice was made by: incense, libum, wine. My eldest son assisted me. During
> > > the ritual there was a complete silencium - no birds movement was detected.
> > > After the libation of wine the fire has ceased. I consider it as a bad omen.
> > > After I blew the fire sacrifice was totally consumed by the pyre.
> > >
> > > I ask pontifices to give me advice on my my further actions.
> > >
> > > Optime valete,
> > >
> > > CORVVS
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>  
> Here is an interesting item that deserves further research. Caraway, or Persian cumin, was used by Zoroastrians to scare off the pagan daevas of Iranian religion. Descendants of Sarmatians in the Baltics are not to use caraway in their rye bread for it offends the spirits. The Sarmatians were daeva-worshippers.
>  
> In German contexts, according to an extended discussion by Jacob Grimm, there has been a growing alienation between the human race and light eleves, brown elves, dark elves and dwarves with the coming of Christianity. The folklore associates the spread of Christianity with the spread of caraway being used in sauerkraut and bread which the traditional pre-christian spirits do not like. Examples from German folklore are
>  
> "Sie haben mir gebacken kummelbrot,
> das bringt diesem hause grosse noth!"
>  
> Screamed by a wood-sprite.
>  
> "Schal keinen baum,
> erzahl keinin traum,
> back keinin kummel ins brot..."
>  
> This is a maxim to humankind from wood-sprites
> who feel humans are no longer friends to nature,
> nature spirits, or the gods.
>  
> Other examples,
>  
> "kummelbrot, unser tod"
>  
> and
>  
> "kummelbrot macht angst und noth"
>  
> are wood-sprite rhymns.
>  
> That said, do we have anything like it in the Roman world?
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salvé Nero,
>
> Re: Concept of Food for the Gods
>
> I will not get deeply into the spiritual aspects of food in early man which birthed the traditions that hard earned food not only nourished the body but the spirit and in turn portions were offered to the gods for either thanks or favors, sustaining good fortune - or I will be here forever;). A transmutation into spiritual substance occurs whether it is burnt, buried or eaten according to one's beliefs and according to the deity and through those means nourishes or gifts the deity and the gods are propitiated with offerings that satisfy their particular desires.
>
> The description of the following rite handed down from an oral tradition is very similar to what my ancestors, including my own father, taught me about food offerings in the Roman tradition, my heritage, and also, to add, very similar to the Tibetan Buddhist and Hindu Traditions. I use the following example because of the many cultural influences that have influenced the syncretic tradition of Haitian Vodou and there is a certain Roman element, directly and indirectly from the many traditions that contributed towards this syncretism.
>
> In Haitian Vodou the concept of Mangé Loa (feeding the gods/loa) or feasts for the deities (Mangé Mort-feeding the dead/ ancestors- are feasts for the dead) are offerings of food or animal sacrifices that will be blessed during ritual and consumed by the participants as vessels of the spirits in the ultimate offering to spirit..
> The Haitian Mangé Loa is still done in modern times either as a smaller ritual in each ceremony or, for, example, as a large week long ceremony done at harvest time with the bounty of fruits, vegetables, grains, herbs, wine, rum, and other foodstuffs. This includes sacrifices of fowl, lambs, sows, goats and even a bull (for Québiésou, which corresponds to Roman Iuppiter or Agoué to Neptune) within the festival- the feast honors and feed the gods which in turn increase the effect of their powers that effects the lives of the celebrants – to become more manifest in the physical world.
>
>
> Vale optime et vade in pace Deorum.
>
> Julia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rikudemyx" <rikudemyx@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Horatius,
> > You said: . I am sure He enjoyed our meal together as much as I did.
> > Forgove my error and ignorance if I'm wrong but I always thought that the Gods didn't actualy eat the food we offer, that it was symbolic of the money we spent on it. The preperation represents sacrifice of time. When we burn it it shows that it is not for human use.
> > In fact now that I think on it I cannot recall any story where the Gods eat at all, besides Amprosia and Nectar. The one excepton would be the story of Ixion.
> > Anyway I could be totaly wrong and proably am, I was simply curious.
> > Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant
> > Nero
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > >
> > > M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus M. Octavio Corvo Sacerdoti Iovis salutem plurimama dicit:
> > >
> > > Gratias Magnas tibi ago. Juppiter, Marce Octavi, salvete iubet.
> > >
> > > This would appear to have been a human error, rather than a sign of disapproval from the Gods. And thus you ought to offer a piaculum sacrifice for your error. That is, perform the ritual again and include some extra morsel, asking Jupiter to forgive the error.
> > >
> > > In pouring a libation one should not pour the wine directly onto the fire. Rather, it is poured around the edges of the hollow in which the fire is seated. Therefore the wine is thinned out in a ring about the fire and slowly seeps down towards it. If you use a metal bowl to hold the fire and slowly pour the wine around its edges, the wine should cook on the hot metal as it seeps towards the fire itself, and thereby not put out any live coals. Or if it does, it would only put out coals at the edge of the fire, yet still be close enough to be consumed by the heat.
> > >
> > >
> > > The Ides of September are especially important. With the dedication of the Capitolium by Marcus Horatius on that date, it marks the beginning of the Pax Deorum for the Res Publica Populi Romani. The hammering of the nail, in the sella of Minerva, marked another year of the commitment by the Res Publica to maintain the Pax Deorum. It was a special festival, too, in how a meal was shared by the Senate with Jupiter, Juno and Minerva.
> > >
> > > I have long celebrated this day as the first day of the New Year, with an offering of lamb and milk to Pater Jupiter, in the manner of nonno mio. He also invoked Jupiter on that date to benefit his vines, pouring wine and blood from the lamb on the roots of his vines. He did likewise in the spring. And thus yesterday I grilled lamb, immolating its fat and bones, with a morsel of meat, for Jupiter, along with wine.
> > >
> > > It was a very succulent lamb. Marinated in lemon juice, vinegar, olive oil, mustard and a little brown sugar, with rosemary, salt and pepper. I prepared it with parsnips and carrots from my garden, grilled with oil and vinegar and rosemary as well. Another dish of beets from the hortus Cereri was topped with balsemic vinegar heated with garlic. I am sure He enjoyed our meal together as much as I did.
> > >
> > > Afterward I settled in to watch Napoli play Genova. May Vediovis strike that referee for his poor performance. Anyway, it had me thinking. If you in the Ukraine and I in Ohio, along with others in places around the World coordinated our ceremonies, what a voice we might raise to the Gods on behalf of noster Res Publica, with all of joined together in a single celebration and enjoying a meal together with one another and together with the Gods.
> > >
> > > Vale optime, Amice, et vade in pace Deorum.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "mcorvvs" <mcorvvs@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcvs Octavivs Corvvs" <mcorvvs@> wrote:
> > > > Salvete collega,
> > > >
> > > > At Ides Septembres I, M.Octavius Corvus on behalf of People of Nova Roma
> > > > performed Ides ritual for IOM for the first time, using the pattern sent to me
> > > > by PM M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
> > > > Rite was performed at the altar of Iuppiter.
> > > > Sacrifice was made by: incense, libum, wine. My eldest son assisted me. During
> > > > the ritual there was a complete silencium - no birds movement was detected.
> > > > After the libation of wine the fire has ceased. I consider it as a bad omen.
> > > > After I blew the fire sacrifice was totally consumed by the pyre.
> > > >
> > > > I ask pontifices to give me advice on my my further actions.
> > > >
> > > > Optime valete,
> > > >
> > > > CORVVS
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>  
> Here is an interesting item that deserves further research. Caraway, or Persian cumin, was used by Zoroastrians to scare off the pagan daevas of Iranian religion. Descendants of Sarmatians in the Baltics are not to use caraway in their rye bread for it offends the spirits. The Sarmatians were daeva-worshippers.
>  
> In German contexts, according to an extended discussion by Jacob Grimm, there has been a growing alienation between the human race and light eleves, brown elves, dark elves and dwarves with the coming of Christianity. The folklore associates the spread of Christianity with the spread of caraway being used in sauerkraut and bread which the traditional pre-christian spirits do not like. Examples from German folklore are
>  
> "Sie haben mir gebacken kummelbrot,
> das bringt diesem hause grosse noth!"
>  
> Screamed by a wood-sprite.
>  
> "Schal keinen baum,
> erzahl keinin traum,
> back keinin kummel ins brot..."
>  
> This is a maxim to humankind from wood-sprites
> who feel humans are no longer friends to nature,
> nature spirits, or the gods.
>  
> Other examples,
>  
> "kummelbrot, unser tod"
>  
> and
>  
> "kummelbrot macht angst und noth"
>  
> are wood-sprite rhymns.
>  
> That said, do we have anything like it in the Roman world?
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rikudemyx" <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
> So in your opinion, would you say the Gods require our offerings or simply enjoy them?
> Di Vos Incolumes Cusodiant
> Nero
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvé Nero,
> >
> > Re: Concept of Food for the Gods
> >
> > I will not get deeply into the spiritual aspects of food in early man which birthed the traditions that hard earned food not only nourished the body but the spirit and in turn portions were offered to the gods for either thanks or favors, sustaining good fortune - or I will be here forever;). A transmutation into spiritual substance occurs whether it is burnt, buried or eaten according to one's beliefs and according to the deity and through those means nourishes or gifts the deity and the gods are propitiated with offerings that satisfy their particular desires.
> >
> > The description of the following rite handed down from an oral tradition is very similar to what my ancestors, including my own father, taught me about food offerings in the Roman tradition, my heritage, and also, to add, very similar to the Tibetan Buddhist and Hindu Traditions. I use the following example because of the many cultural influences that have influenced the syncretic tradition of Haitian Vodou and there is a certain Roman element, directly and indirectly from the many traditions that contributed towards this syncretism.
> >
> > In Haitian Vodou the concept of Mangé Loa (feeding the gods/loa) or feasts for the deities (Mangé Mort-feeding the dead/ ancestors- are feasts for the dead) are offerings of food or animal sacrifices that will be blessed during ritual and consumed by the participants as vessels of the spirits in the ultimate offering to spirit..
> > The Haitian Mangé Loa is still done in modern times either as a smaller ritual in each ceremony or, for, example, as a large week long ceremony done at harvest time with the bounty of fruits, vegetables, grains, herbs, wine, rum, and other foodstuffs. This includes sacrifices of fowl, lambs, sows, goats and even a bull (for Québiésou, which corresponds to Roman Iuppiter or Agoué to Neptune) within the festival- the feast honors and feed the gods which in turn increase the effect of their powers that effects the lives of the celebrants – to become more manifest in the physical world.
> >
> >
> > Vale optime et vade in pace Deorum.
> >
> > Julia
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rikudemyx" <rikudemyx@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Horatius,
> > > You said: . I am sure He enjoyed our meal together as much as I did.
> > > Forgove my error and ignorance if I'm wrong but I always thought that the Gods didn't actualy eat the food we offer, that it was symbolic of the money we spent on it. The preperation represents sacrifice of time. When we burn it it shows that it is not for human use.
> > > In fact now that I think on it I cannot recall any story where the Gods eat at all, besides Amprosia and Nectar. The one excepton would be the story of Ixion.
> > > Anyway I could be totaly wrong and proably am, I was simply curious.
> > > Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant
> > > Nero
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus M. Octavio Corvo Sacerdoti Iovis salutem plurimama dicit:
> > > >
> > > > Gratias Magnas tibi ago. Juppiter, Marce Octavi, salvete iubet.
> > > >
> > > > This would appear to have been a human error, rather than a sign of disapproval from the Gods. And thus you ought to offer a piaculum sacrifice for your error. That is, perform the ritual again and include some extra morsel, asking Jupiter to forgive the error.
> > > >
> > > > In pouring a libation one should not pour the wine directly onto the fire. Rather, it is poured around the edges of the hollow in which the fire is seated. Therefore the wine is thinned out in a ring about the fire and slowly seeps down towards it. If you use a metal bowl to hold the fire and slowly pour the wine around its edges, the wine should cook on the hot metal as it seeps towards the fire itself, and thereby not put out any live coals. Or if it does, it would only put out coals at the edge of the fire, yet still be close enough to be consumed by the heat.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Ides of September are especially important. With the dedication of the Capitolium by Marcus Horatius on that date, it marks the beginning of the Pax Deorum for the Res Publica Populi Romani. The hammering of the nail, in the sella of Minerva, marked another year of the commitment by the Res Publica to maintain the Pax Deorum. It was a special festival, too, in how a meal was shared by the Senate with Jupiter, Juno and Minerva.
> > > >
> > > > I have long celebrated this day as the first day of the New Year, with an offering of lamb and milk to Pater Jupiter, in the manner of nonno mio. He also invoked Jupiter on that date to benefit his vines, pouring wine and blood from the lamb on the roots of his vines. He did likewise in the spring. And thus yesterday I grilled lamb, immolating its fat and bones, with a morsel of meat, for Jupiter, along with wine.
> > > >
> > > > It was a very succulent lamb. Marinated in lemon juice, vinegar, olive oil, mustard and a little brown sugar, with rosemary, salt and pepper. I prepared it with parsnips and carrots from my garden, grilled with oil and vinegar and rosemary as well. Another dish of beets from the hortus Cereri was topped with balsemic vinegar heated with garlic. I am sure He enjoyed our meal together as much as I did.
> > > >
> > > > Afterward I settled in to watch Napoli play Genova. May Vediovis strike that referee for his poor performance. Anyway, it had me thinking. If you in the Ukraine and I in Ohio, along with others in places around the World coordinated our ceremonies, what a voice we might raise to the Gods on behalf of noster Res Publica, with all of joined together in a single celebration and enjoying a meal together with one another and together with the Gods.
> > > >
> > > > Vale optime, Amice, et vade in pace Deorum.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "mcorvvs" <mcorvvs@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcvs Octavivs Corvvs" <mcorvvs@> wrote:
> > > > > Salvete collega,
> > > > >
> > > > > At Ides Septembres I, M.Octavius Corvus on behalf of People of Nova Roma
> > > > > performed Ides ritual for IOM for the first time, using the pattern sent to me
> > > > > by PM M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
> > > > > Rite was performed at the altar of Iuppiter.
> > > > > Sacrifice was made by: incense, libum, wine. My eldest son assisted me. During
> > > > > the ritual there was a complete silencium - no birds movement was detected.
> > > > > After the libation of wine the fire has ceased. I consider it as a bad omen.
> > > > > After I blew the fire sacrifice was totally consumed by the pyre.
> > > > >
> > > > > I ask pontifices to give me advice on my my further actions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Optime valete,
> > > > >
> > > > > CORVVS
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>