----- Original Message -----
From: David Kling
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Working to build, was Re: Thank you Praetors!


Salve:

Such would be my ultimate goal here. To have a common culture where we
instinctively support one another. Where each of us instinctively greets
our fellow Nova Roman with hospitality and friendship; however, there is so
much animosity between several people here that I'm not sure such is likely.
This reality I find depressing and demoralizing, although realistic. Even
if we sacrifice our pride at the altar of peace there seems to be enough
remaining in all/most of us to grow back into the monsters we are all
capable of being. This might seem melodramatic, but seems to be the case.
I suspect most of us truly are good people... then WHY has Nova Roma become
what it is, and not what it could be?

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus



On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
<famila.ulleria.venii@gmail.com> wrote:


Salve Modianus;

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Modianus Scripsit:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Dianae Aventinae salutem dicit
>
> As someone who has been "fighting" since I joined (I think it was May
2002), it does wear me out and I look forward to a hopeful future where that
will not be the case. [excision of a good set of words, well put] That
shouldn't be the only option.
> Vale;
> Modianus
>

Nicely written...shall we work together to make the best of which we
are all capable happen?

Benedicte - Venator



.

>
> ave,i'm a new member,i'm a legionary of 1 legio adiutrix,in pompei,i hope to get several contacts.thanks.
>

> ave,i'm a new member,i'm a legionary of 1 legio adiutrix,in pompei,i hope to
>get several contacts.thanks.
>

>
> ave,i'm a new member,i'm a legionary of 1 legio adiutrix,in pompei,i hope to get several contacts.thanks.
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:20 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Announcement of candidacy - Censor.


SALVETE QUIRITES!

I come today in front of you, wearing toga candida, to announce my candidacy
for censura.

I meet the consular edict requirements: I'm 43 years old, assidui and
during the time I held various Nova Roma magistrate positions:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Titus_Iulius_Sabinus_%28Nova_Roma%29

I live in the Nova Roman province of Dacia, the modern Romania, and, my
family is composed of my wife A. Arria Carina and my son T. Iulius Sabinus
Crassus. Together we represent an honorable roman family from the Roman
Limes.

In Nova Roma I adopted a moderate position based of common sense and
directed to real achievements through a step by step policy. I'm not radical
or partisan and I believe in that collaboration based of the mutual respect
as the only way to succeed in common goals and Nova Roma's current and
future plans development.

My principles of life consist in maintaining the necessary equilibrium in
all what I do. I follow and I will follow them in the future, respecting all
involved in our community daily life, as time I consider anyone opinion as a
possible and potential contribution to progress.

I'm dedicated to the Roman Religion and, generally speaking, I consider
religion as a way of life, one from many other ways, able to help each of us
to discover the best from ourselves and the best of others, in our common
effort to define better the sense of the human race.

The censor represents both, political and administrative position. It is
that position where the imperium is substitute by respect and authority, an
authority developed in time and based of personal example. From when I
joined to Nova Roma, the personal example was a priority for me in any group
or cohort where I worked and I tried all my best to fulfill my duties with
honor and in proper time, having as major interest the general interest of
Nova Roma.

In my opinion the censor is a guarantor of morality and health of the
Republic, preserving through wisdom and allowed legal actions an adequate
balance among people, magistrates, parties or forces. If elected censor, be
sure quirites that I will follow that direction without hesitations and
influences.

With respect I ask for your vote in the upcoming elections.

May the Gods bless us!

SPQR.

VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Christer Edling <christer.edling@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> We have the honor to present to you, the citizens of Nova Roma, our
> joint candidacy for the office of consuls for next year 2763 auc /
> 2010 cc.
>
> Many of you know us well and are aware of the time and energy that we
> have dedicated to our common good throughout the many years of our
> citizenship. We know well that it is our duty to step forward and
> accept this most serious challenge as leaders of the Res Publica.
>
> We offer you, Quirites, a team with a great many years of competent
> experience from many walks of life, including the magistracies in Nova
> Roma. During our work for Nova Roma we have gathered many skills that
> are useful to the Res Publica.
>
> I, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, am an Elder Patrician and have
> served as Propraetor/Proconsul, Quaestor, Curule Aedile, Consul and
> Censor. During my Consulship and Censorship laws were worked on and
> presented. Many of these are still valid today. In addition I have
> also served many Censors, Consuls and Praetors as an advisor
> (accensus). As the Princeps Senatus I see it as my duty to serve with
> equitable diligence to always work towards formulating new concrete
> visions for Nova Roma that will lead to the goals of our Res Publica.
>
> I, Publius Memmius Albucius, am a Plebeian. One by one I have ascended
> the successive steps on the ladder of our cursus honorum. As a lawyer
> and public officer I have a great respect for the core values of
> integrity and dignity, civility and honesty, those important values of
> our republic.
>
> As mature experienced men who have been, and still are, in charge in
> our daily lives regarding the responsibilities and managements of
> professional staff and other groups, we, Caeso Fabius Buteo
> Quintilianus and Publius Memmius Albucius, know fully what we envision
> for Nova Roma and what measures must be implemented to ensure her
> continued growth. Both of us are serving as senator and have been
> governor or is governor of the province where we live. With us, we
> bring honed skills, borne of hard earned experience that further
> enable our team to perform the task ahead of us.
>
> We are most certain that Nova Roma will not survive more years of
> chaotic quarreling, resentments and troubles.
> We are convinced that no one should be allowed to place recurrent
> demands on our community while at the same time threatening its
> development, including its own life and survival.
>
> We are sure, and our past actions clearly demonstrate this, that all
> parts of Nova Roma which currently comprise most of our citizens,
> those of North America, of South America and of Europe, have no Roman
> future separately; by coming together in unity we will form a strong
> republic. We therefore can not acknowledge any discourse that tries to
> divide us, and pretends or attempts to convince us that we could
> succeed without one another.
>
> We are convinced that Nova Roma has enough years behind her to take a
> new step forward towards real meetings and actions with respect to
> national legislations.
>
> We want to propose for Nova Roma a legal and daily foundation that
> allows every one of us, including every newcomer, to find amongst us
> all the Roman resources that she/he expects to find here: culture,
> religion, history, Latin, Roman cooking, archeology to reenactment,
> etc., without necessarily being disturbed by the noise of our
> institutions.
>
> We are convinced that our institutions must adjust to our goals and
> community, and not the contrary.
>
> We are sure that we can all enhance a Nova Roma where respect,
> development and external recognition would be compatible with
> efficiency and internal debates.
>
> For all these reasons, both of us have decided to bring to You this
> joint candidacy: the younger, Publius Memmius Albucius, who as praetor
> wishes to go on serving as consul, the Republic, and Caeso Fabius
> Buteo Quintilianus, the elder, who whilst considering the dark clouds
> above our heads that are currently threatening our community, offers
> the Res Publica his services.
>
> We, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and Publius Memmius Albucius, are
> convinced that as consuls we have a lot to offer to the Res Publica.
> Please vote for both of us. Whoever you are, Quirites, friends, allies
> or just citizens who are fed up of a torn Nova Roma and/or who want to
> see positive progress, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and Publius
> Memmius Albucius need you and will be honored by your vote.
>
> We are not alone: we are working together with many skilled and
> dedicated citizens. Some of them will run for various positions during
> the elections.
> Together we offer you hard work to mend the Res Publica; as a reward
> for that hard work of us all we will see to it that we lay a strong
> base for the years to come to be a more peaceful and creative Nova Roma.
>
> Valete sincerely Quirites!
>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
> Publius Memmius Albucius
>
>
> *****************
> *****************
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
>
> Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
> Civis Romanus sum
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
> ************************************************
> Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
> Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
>

• 07:00 hrs CET 15 November: Voting by the Centuria Praerogativa alone begins.
• 07:00 hrs CET 17 November: Diribitores capture tally of Centuria Praerogativa.
• 07:00 hrs CET 17 November: Voting by all First Class centuries now permitted.
• 07:00 hrs CET 20 November: Diribitores capture tally of all First Class centuries.
• 07:00 hrs CET 20 November: Voting by all centuries now permitted.
• 17:00 hrs CET 24 November: All voting ends.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Aventina" <roman.babe@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Albucius,
> I'm pretty sure that if you win as Consul, you'd be the first from Gallia!
> Vale,
> your neighbor in the north,
> Diana
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucia_herennia75" <lhlm75@...> wrote:
>
> salvete,
> a few months ago I renounced my citizenship.
> when I made that decision, I was going through a serious personal problem.
> Now, that my life is in order and i'm at peace I decided to return.
> I write this because I would like for all to understnad that the decision for me leaving was not about Nova Roma, but myself. Thanks for reading.
>
> Luz Morales
> (Lucia Herennia Mento)
>

--- In ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

Salve dear Rota!

I have no doubt that our tribune Agrippa has not been well informed on the fact your candidacy *would* have been withdrawn.

You have been right reminding our tribune that it was not the case, and that, more than ever, you are keep on running, like every other registered candidate, for the so important magistracy that is the tribunate of the Plebs.

In addition - but I do know that, as tribune, the work is sometimes so heavy that a glance to our law is not always possible - a principle of law, called "formal parallelism" reminds us that a candidacy issued, like here, in the CPT forum would have been withdrawn... in the CPT forum. Obviously, you did not!! :-)

Let us be confident in Vipsanius trib., who we must trust, as the honorable magistrate he is.

You have naturally, as I will confirm it soon, my whole support in your candidacy, which helps our res publica to renew his magistrates thanks to determined people, and allow every part of our Roman world to be represented, with its own approach, in our magistracies.


Vale bene Aquili,


P. Memmius Albucius
praetor, cand. consul






--- In ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com, "Aqvillivs" <c.aqvillivs_rota@> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> I suggest that you please correct your mistake publicly in order to
> keep the citizens of Nova Roma
> up to date about the elections. It might be interpreted that your
> posting was intentional.
>
> Vale
>
> Rota
>

--- End forwarded message ---

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
>
>  
> TITUS FLAVIUS AQUILA OMNIBUS CIVIBVS NOVAE ROMAE S·P·D
>
>
>
> Salvete Quirites, Salvete Citizens of Nova Roma !
>  
> I don the toga candida to address you, my fellow citizens, presenting my candidacy for the Aedilis Curulismagistrate positionin MMDCCLXIII A·V·C (2010).   
>  
> I am Titus Flavius Aquila, German, 51 years old and Nova Roman citizen since 2759 auc and live in the Germania Provincia. I am married and have 4 children (Maximilian, Markus, Patrick and Lucian).
>  
> I am a Service Level Analyst, responsible for Service Level Agreements with big network providers like AT&T, BT, COLT, SITA, T-Systems etc. I am working for a company providing IT technology to the Travel Industry.
>  
> I am also a controller of a non profit organization in Germany and thus having financial expertise.
>  
> I am of the Gens Flavia and the Tribus Galeria, I am assiduus and plebeian .
>  
> I have the strong will to strengthen our Republic to the best of my ability.I have thoroughly familiarized myself with the applicable laws of Nova Roma .
>  
> My background in Nova Roma:
>  
> 2762 auc Quaestor for Aedilis Curulis Gnaeus Iulius Caesar , Lucius Coruncanius Cato
> 2762 auc Accensus Consulibus
> 2762 auc Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania
> 2762 auc Scriba Censoribus 
> 2762 auc Collegium sodalitas proDIIS A temple for the Gods in Rome
> 2761 auc Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma
> 2761 auc Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania
> 2761 auc Scriba Censoris KFBM
> 2761 auc Collegium sodalitas proDIIS A temple for the Gods in Rome
>  
>  General achievements so far:
>  
> Introduced the ' Temple for the Gods in Rome ' Project  . Successfully incorporated in the sodalitas proDIIS A temple for the Gods in Rome . The business plan is ready and will hopefully be presented by the Consules to the Senate in one of the next Senate sessions.
>  
> Achievements in my home province:
>  
> As Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Germaniae :
>  
> Ø      Designed and sponsored a new website for my provincia .  
>  
> http://www.neues-rom-provinz-germanien.de
>  
> * Built a Roman Network of interested people to possibly recruit new citizens in the future
>  
> * Involvement of my provincia in big Roman events in Germania
>  
> * Contacts with the sponsor of Ludi Circenses in Raetia concerning the involvement of the provincia Germania . I as Legatus Pro Praetore created and presented the concept for the Ludi Circenses, which unanimously were accepted by the sponsor of the Ludi Romani and the Roman Groups involved. Unfortunately the Ludi Circenses where cancelled by the sponsor due to economic reasons, despite all efforts put into the Ludi by myself. Nevertheless, the established contacts and meetings with several Roman groups have shown that the Provincia Germania is accepted as full (business) partner for Roman events in Germania .
>  
> * A Roman painting competition for children was organized and the prizes sponsored by myself.
>  
> * The citizens of the provincia, as well as visitors of the website were informed on upcoming Roman events in Germania and thus our website became one of the major information platforms for the Roman life in Gerrmania.
>  
> * Authors of books about Roman themes contacted the provincia and asked to be allowed to present their books on the provincial website, thus providing us academic contacts.
>  
> * Our emporium has been built up with several craftsmen producing Roman goods and using our website as platform for advertising and presenting their goods.
>  
> We need to further develop our Republic, live up to be an independent and sovereign nation, according to our constitution and we need to get more visible for the outside world.
>  
> We need to honour our Gods and that’s why I will be proud as your Curule Aedilesto present the public games and a new start for the Ludi Nova Romani.
>  
> This I will wholeheartedly support as Curule Aedilesand I will do everything possible to supportthe necessary for achievingthese goals,in the interest of the people of Nova Roma.
>  
> In working  as  Quaestor for Aedilis Curulis Gnaeus Iulius Caesar and  Lucius Coruncanius Cato I have learned a lot about the duties and tasks of the Aedilis Curulis and gained experience needed to fulfill the position of Curule Aediles.
>  
> Quirites, on these grounds, I would like to ask for your votes as Curule Aediles, to continue my Cursus Honorum following the example of our ancestors.
>  
> I pray to the Di Immortales that you will be favorably regarding my request to serve as your Curule Aedilesand that you elect me, to serve you.
>  
> Pro Res Publica, Pro Patria !
>  
>  
> Di vos incolumes custodiant
>  
> Titus Flavius Aquila
> Curule AedilesCandidatus
>  
> Concordia res parvae crescunt, discordia maximae dilabuntur !
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "mcorvvs" <mcorvvs@...> wrote:
>
> M.Octavius Corvus Plebis S.P.D.
>
> hereby I declare my candidacy for tribune of the plebs in the upcoming
> elections.
> I am 37, currently serve as Sacerdos Iovis and Legatus ProPraetore Prov. Sarmatia. I stand for bringing Nova Roma into real life. I formed the Poltava oppidum in Sarmatia(Ukraine) and now am preparing to declare of creating the first oppidum in Russian part of Sarmatia. We also built the Altar of Iuppiter and bought the land for the Temple of Iuppiter. I am assidui and of plebeian order. I consider the People of Nova Roma as the most precious thing that NR has. And I believe the Tribunes must be standing for the interests of the People and not for political games.
>
> Optime vaslete,
>
> M. Octavius Corvus
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "ugo21121970" <ugo.coppola@...> wrote:
>
> Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus omnibus civibus SPD.
>
> I hereby announce my candidacy for the office of Aedilis Curulis. I am
> 39 years old, a Nova Roman Assiduus citizen since 2006, and my cursus
> honorum so far is as follows:
>
>
> * I was appointed Interpreter for Italian language in late 2006.
> * I have served as Aedilis Plebis twice, in 2006 and 2008.
> * I am currently a Quaestor assigned to Praetor Q. Memmus Albucius,
> as well as a a Scriba for Censor Modianus.
> Optime valete omnes,
> P. Ann. Con. Placidus
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucia_herennia75" <lhlm75@...> wrote:
>
> salvete,
> a few months ago I renounced my citizenship.
> when I made that decision, I was going through a serious personal problem.
> Now, that my life is in order and i'm at peace I decided to return.
> I write this because I would like for all to understnad that the decision for me leaving was not about Nova Roma, but myself. Thanks for reading.
>
> Luz Morales
> (Lucia Herennia Mento)
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> --- In ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
>
> Salve dear Rota!
>
> I have no doubt that our tribune Agrippa has not been well informed on the fact your candidacy *would* have been withdrawn.
>
> You have been right reminding our tribune that it was not the case, and that, more than ever, you are keep on running, like every other registered candidate, for the so important magistracy that is the tribunate of the Plebs.
>
> In addition - but I do know that, as tribune, the work is sometimes so heavy that a glance to our law is not always possible - a principle of law, called "formal parallelism" reminds us that a candidacy issued, like here, in the CPT forum would have been withdrawn... in the CPT forum. Obviously, you did not!! :-)
>
> Let us be confident in Vipsanius trib., who we must trust, as the honorable magistrate he is.
>
> You have naturally, as I will confirm it soon, my whole support in your candidacy, which helps our res publica to renew his magistrates thanks to determined people, and allow every part of our Roman world to be represented, with its own approach, in our magistracies.
>
>
> Vale bene Aquili,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> praetor, cand. consul
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com, "Aqvillivs" <c.aqvillivs_rota@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > I suggest that you please correct your mistake publicly in order to
> > keep the citizens of Nova Roma
> > up to date about the elections. It might be interpreted that your
> > posting was intentional.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Rota
> >
>
> --- End forwarded message ---
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Excerpts from De Vita XII Caesarum C. Suetonii Tranquilli, The Lives of the Twelve Caesars by C. Suetonius Tranquillus
> Tiberius:
>
> 28 Sed et adversus convicia malosque rumores et famosa de se ac signum carmina firmus ac patiens, subinde iactabat in civitate libera linguam mentemque liberas esse debere; et quondam senatu cognitionem de eius modi criminibus ac reis flagitante: "Non tantum," inquit, "otii habemus, ut implicare nos pluribus negotiis debeamus; si hanc fenestram aperueritis, nihil aliud agi sinetis; omnium inimicitiae hoc praetexto ad vos deferentur." Exstat p336et sermo eius in senatu percivilis: "Siquidem locutus aliter fuerit, dabo operam ut rationem factorum meorum dictorumque reddam; si perseveraverit, in vicem eum odero."
>
> 29 Atque haec eo notabiliora erant, quod ipse in appellandis venerandisque et singulis et universis prope excesserat humanitatis modum. Dissentiens in curia a Q. Haterio: "Ignoscas," inquit, "rogo, si quid adversus te liberius sicut senator dixero." Et deinde omnis adloquens: "Dixi et nunc et saepe alias, p. c., bonum et salutarem principem, quem vos tanta et tam libera potestate instruxistis, senatui servire debere et universis civibus saepe et plerumque etiam singulis; neque id dixisse me paenitet, et bono et aequos et faventes vos habui dominos et adhuc habeo."
> 28 More than that, he was self-contained and patient in the face of abuse and slander, and of lampoons on himself and his family, often asserting that in a free country there should be free speech and free thought. When the senate on one occasion demanded that cognizance be taken of such offences and those guilty of them, he said: "We have not enough spare time to warrant involving ourselves in more affairs; if you open this loophole you will find no time for any other business; it will be an excuse for laying everybody's quarrels before you." A most unassuming remark of his in the senate is also a matter of record: "If so and so criticizes me I shall take care to render an account of my acts and words; if he persists, our enmity will be mutual."
>
> 29 All this was the more noteworthy, because in addressing and in paying his respects to the senators individually and as a body he himself almost exceeded the requirements of courtesy. In a disagreement with Quintus Haterius in the house, he said: "I crave your pardon, if in my capacity as senator I use too free language in opposing you." Then addressing the whole body: "I say now and have often said before, Fathers of the Senate, that a well-disposed and helpful prince, to whom you have given such great and unrestrained power, ought to be the servant of the senate, often of the citizens as a whole, and sometimes even of individuals. I do not regret my words, but I have looked upon you as kind, just, and indulgent masters, and still so regard you."
>
>
> 59 Multa praeterea specie gravitatis ac morum corrigendorum, sed et magis naturae optemperans, ita saeve et atrociter factitavit, ut nonnulli versiculis quoque et praesentia exprobrarent et futura denuntiarent mala:
>
> "Asper et inmitis, breviter vis omnia dicam?
>
> Dispeream, si te mater amare potest.
>
> Non es eques; quare? non sunt tibi milia centum;
>
> Omnia si quaeras, et Rhodus exilium est.
>
> Aurea mutasti Saturni saecula, Caesar;
>
> Incolumi nam et ferrea semper erunt.
>
> Fastidit vinum, quia iam sitit iste cruorem;
>
> Tam bibit hunc avide, quam bibit ante merum.
>
> Aspice felicem sibi, non tibi, Romule, Sullam
>
> Et Marium, si vis, aspice, sed reducem,
>
> Nec non Antoni civilia bella moventis
>
> Non semel infectas aspice caede manus,
>
> Et dic: Roma perit! regnavit sanguine multo,
>
> Ad regnum quisquis venit ab exsilio."
>
>
> Quae primo, quasi ab impatientibus remediorum48 ac non tam ex animi sententia quam bile et stomacho fingerentur, volebat accipi dicebatque identidem: "Oderint, dum probent." Dein vera plane certaque esse ipse fecit fidem.
>
> 59 He did so many other cruel and savage deeds under the guise of strictness and improvement of the public morals, but in reality rather to gratify his natural instincts, that some resorted to verses to express their detestation of the present ills and a warning against those to come:
>
> "Cruel and merciless man, shall I briefly say all I would utter?
>
> Hang me if even your dam for you affection can feel.
> You are no knight. Why so? The hundred thousands are lacking;
>
> If you ask the whole tale, you were an exile at Rhodes.
> You, O Caesar, have altered the golden ages of Saturn;
>
> For while you are alive, iron they ever will be.
> Nothing for wine cares this fellow, since now 'tis for blood he is thirsting;
>
> This he as greedily quaffs as before wine without water.
> Look, son of Rome, upon Sulla, for himself not for you blest and happy.
>
> Marius too, if you will, but after capturing Rome;
>
> Hands of an Antony see, rousing the strife of the people,
>
> Hands stained with blood not once, dripping again and again;
>
> Then say: Rome is no more! He ever has reigned with great bloodshed,
>
> Whoso made himself king, coming from banishment home."
>
> These at first he wished to be taken as the work of those who were impatient of his reforms, voicing not so much their real feelings as their anger and vexation; and he used to say from time to time: "Let them hate me, provided they respect my conduct." Later he himself proved them only too true and unerring.
>
> Valete optime,
>
> Julia
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Maior et Salvete Quirites,
>
> I have just posted approx 90 more statues of Gods, Goddesses, mythical creatures including small soldier figurines for your shrines, Lararium or to give as gifts:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/l_j_a/sets/72157622074726511/
> Also added a few items to "Accessories for Romans":
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/l_j_a/sets/72157622110351397/
>
> I will be adding more to the custom statuary in a few days so if there is a particular god or goddess you might be interested in let me know and i will bump it to the top of the list to be offered.
>
> If you see something you like email me - citizens get special pricing.
> The small soldiers make great Saturnalia gifts.
>
> She-wolf Romulus and Remus statues can be found here at the bottom of the page:
> http://thelastenchantment.com/RomanGreekStatues.html
>
> I'll be back with some more ideas...;)
>
> Vale, et Valete,
>
> Julia
>
> P.S has your custom statue arrived yet?
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@...> wrote:
>
> Julia, that sounds like a beautiful ritual! Thank you so much for sharing it with us and for describing it so vividly. Reading it, I felt as if I were there. It was like sharing in a moment of being touched by the divine.
>
> Paulla Corva Gaudialis
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Christer Edling <christer.edling@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> We have the honor to present to you, the citizens of Nova Roma, our
> joint candidacy for the office of consuls for next year 2763 auc /
> 2010 cc.
>
> Many of you know us well and are aware of the time and energy that we
> have dedicated to our common good throughout the many years of our
> citizenship. We know well that it is our duty to step forward and
> accept this most serious challenge as leaders of the Res Publica.
>
> We offer you, Quirites, a team with a great many years of competent
> experience from many walks of life, including the magistracies in Nova
> Roma. During our work for Nova Roma we have gathered many skills that
> are useful to the Res Publica.
>
> I, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, am an Elder Patrician and have
> served as Propraetor/Proconsul, Quaestor, Curule Aedile, Consul and
> Censor. During my Consulship and Censorship laws were worked on and
> presented. Many of these are still valid today. In addition I have
> also served many Censors, Consuls and Praetors as an advisor
> (accensus). As the Princeps Senatus I see it as my duty to serve with
> equitable diligence to always work towards formulating new concrete
> visions for Nova Roma that will lead to the goals of our Res Publica.
>
> I, Publius Memmius Albucius, am a Plebeian. One by one I have ascended
> the successive steps on the ladder of our cursus honorum. As a lawyer
> and public officer I have a great respect for the core values of
> integrity and dignity, civility and honesty, those important values of
> our republic.
>
> As mature experienced men who have been, and still are, in charge in
> our daily lives regarding the responsibilities and managements of
> professional staff and other groups, we, Caeso Fabius Buteo
> Quintilianus and Publius Memmius Albucius, know fully what we envision
> for Nova Roma and what measures must be implemented to ensure her
> continued growth. Both of us are serving as senator and have been
> governor or is governor of the province where we live. With us, we
> bring honed skills, borne of hard earned experience that further
> enable our team to perform the task ahead of us.
>
> We are most certain that Nova Roma will not survive more years of
> chaotic quarreling, resentments and troubles.
> We are convinced that no one should be allowed to place recurrent
> demands on our community while at the same time threatening its
> development, including its own life and survival.
>
> We are sure, and our past actions clearly demonstrate this, that all
> parts of Nova Roma which currently comprise most of our citizens,
> those of North America, of South America and of Europe, have no Roman
> future separately; by coming together in unity we will form a strong
> republic. We therefore can not acknowledge any discourse that tries to
> divide us, and pretends or attempts to convince us that we could
> succeed without one another.
>
> We are convinced that Nova Roma has enough years behind her to take a
> new step forward towards real meetings and actions with respect to
> national legislations.
>
> We want to propose for Nova Roma a legal and daily foundation that
> allows every one of us, including every newcomer, to find amongst us
> all the Roman resources that she/he expects to find here: culture,
> religion, history, Latin, Roman cooking, archeology to reenactment,
> etc., without necessarily being disturbed by the noise of our
> institutions.
>
> We are convinced that our institutions must adjust to our goals and
> community, and not the contrary.
>
> We are sure that we can all enhance a Nova Roma where respect,
> development and external recognition would be compatible with
> efficiency and internal debates.
>
> For all these reasons, both of us have decided to bring to You this
> joint candidacy: the younger, Publius Memmius Albucius, who as praetor
> wishes to go on serving as consul, the Republic, and Caeso Fabius
> Buteo Quintilianus, the elder, who whilst considering the dark clouds
> above our heads that are currently threatening our community, offers
> the Res Publica his services.
>
> We, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and Publius Memmius Albucius, are
> convinced that as consuls we have a lot to offer to the Res Publica.
> Please vote for both of us. Whoever you are, Quirites, friends, allies
> or just citizens who are fed up of a torn Nova Roma and/or who want to
> see positive progress, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and Publius
> Memmius Albucius need you and will be honored by your vote.
>
> We are not alone: we are working together with many skilled and
> dedicated citizens. Some of them will run for various positions during
> the elections.
> Together we offer you hard work to mend the Res Publica; as a reward
> for that hard work of us all we will see to it that we lay a strong
> base for the years to come to be a more peaceful and creative Nova Roma.
>
> Valete sincerely Quirites!
>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
> Publius Memmius Albucius
>
>
> *****************
> *****************
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
>
> Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
> Civis Romanus sum
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
> ************************************************
> Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
> Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Luz
> Lucia Herennia,
>
> a great pleasure to see someone coming back after leaving. Where are you living, in Spain?
> Maybe you bring some additional Luz to NR ;-)
>
> I live in South Carolina
>
> Adriano Rota
>
> --- On Wed, 11/4/09, lucia_herennia75 <lhlm75@...> wrote:
>
> From: lucia_herennia75 <lhlm75@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] I'm returning to Nova Roma
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 5:33 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> salvete,
>
> a few months ago I renounced my citizenship.
>
> when I made that decision, I was going through a serious personal problem.
>
> Now, that my life is in order and i'm at peace I decided to return.
>
> I write this because I would like for all to understnad that the decision for me leaving was not about Nova Roma, but myself. Thanks for reading.
>
>
>
> Luz Morales
>
> (Lucia Herennia Mento)
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius Dexter has my complete support. I have come to know him as a person of integrity and dedication to Nova Roma and her ideals. I wish him every success.
>  
> Valete bene in pace Deorum,
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>  
> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Candidacy!
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 2:17 PM
>
> Salve et salvete,
>
> May it be known that I, Appius Galerius Aurelianus,complete ly support the candidacy of C.Petronius Dexter for the office of Tribunus Plebis.I hereby urge all of my friends and supporters to vote for my friend C.Petronius Dexter in this election.
>
> Vale et valete,
> Appius Galerius Aurelianus
> Tribunus Plebis
> Prefectus Regio Georgia/Alabama
> Scibae TGP

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa <canadaoccidentalis@...> wrote:

From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa <canadaoccidentalis@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Election in the Comitia Plebis Tributa
To: "Nova Roma" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>, "Comitia Plebis" <comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 7:11 PM






 





The time to announce candidacies is over. The following citizens have been accepted as candidates by the Tribunes.



For Aedilis Plebis - Appius Galerius Aurelianus



For Tribunus Plebis - Gaius Curius Saturninus

Marcus Octavius Corvus

Gaius Petronius Dexter

Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatius

Maxima Valeria Messalina



(Gaius Aquilius Rota contacted the Tribunes to announce his withdrawal)



The election details will be posted very soon.



Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa

Tribune of the Plebs

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Caeca Juliae Sal,
>
> I think I neglected to mention how much I enjoyed reading about your ritual for your temple, but I did enjoy it, very much, and your descriptive writing brought the scene to vivid life. I am also delighted to see how active you are becoming, and, while I have yet to visit your site (still fighting the monitor war, so everything is ...um ...a bit distorted), I will do so, hopefully quite soon. Your efforts are noteworthy in themselves, and inspiring to me, although I'm not quite ready to do what I have in mind ...I want to at least finish Gramatica I and maybe Gramatica II, but I have an idea as to where I might find, or find the makings of, a Latin speaking group in my area. However, I don't have the confidence in my Latin skills to even attempt such a thing yet, either as member or organizer. What I can do, wholeheartedly, is congratulate you on what you are doing, wish you continued good fortune, and wish that I lived closer, so that I could come visit!
>
> Vale optime,
> C. Maria Caeca
>

 A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

     For a while as I was reading the Ciceronian passage below I was wondering whether my brain’s Latin department had gone AWOL, for the first part of the English is not in the Latin.  As I read on, however, I saw (to my great relief) that the rest of it was indeed present.  The translation of the Latin quoted here actually begins with the sentence To the defender, etc.

    You are quite welcome with regard to the assistance with your ritual.  It would be wise for others to follow your example and ask one of our Latinists for assistance before setting the text for such rituals, of course giving enough time for that.  Midterm writing is impending on this one...

    Melius: M. Tullius Cicero; auctor est, et nomen casu nominativo scribi debet.  

Vale, et valete.  
 

Salvete omnes!

My humble offering for the day is from M. Tulli Ciceronis:


"Harum rerum tot atque tantarum esse defensorem et patronum magni animi est, magni ingeni magnaeque constantiae. etenim in tanto civium numero magna multitudo est eorum qui aut propter metum poenae, peccatorum suorum conscii, novos motus conversionesque rei publicae quaerant, aut qui propter insitum quendam animi furorem discordiis civium ac seditione pascantur, aut qui propter implicationem rei familiaris communi incendio malint quam suo deflagrare. qui cum tutores sunt et duces suorum studiorum vitiorumque nacti, in re publica fluctus excitantur, ut vigilandum sit iis qui sibi gubernacula patriae depoposcerunt, enitendumque omni scientia ac diligentia ut, conservatis iis quae ego paulo ante fundamenta ac membra esse dixi, tenere cursum possint et capere oti illum portum et dignitatis."

"And of this easy dignity these are the foundations, these are the component parts, which ought to he upheld by the chief men, and to be defended even at the hazard of their lives: religious observances, the auspices , the civil power of magistrates, the authority of the senate, the laws, the usages of one's ancestors, the courts of justice, the jurisdiction of the judges, good faith, the provinces, the allies, the glory of the empire, the whole affairs of the army, the treasury. To the defender and advocate of all these things, numerous and important as they are, is a task to employ great courage, great ability, and great firmness. In truth, in such a vast number of citizens, there is a great multitude of those men, who either, from fear of punishment, because they are conscious of their own misdeeds, are anxious for fresh changes and revolutions in the republic; or who, on account of some innate insanity of mind, feed upon the discords and seditions of the citizens; or else who, on account of the embarrassment of their estates and circumstances, had rather burn in one vast common conflagration, than in one which consumed only themselves. And when these men have found instigators, leaders in and promoters of their own objects and vices, their waves are stirred up in the republic, so that those men must watch who have demanded for themselves the helm of the country, and they must strive with all their skill and with all their diligence, in order that they may be able to preserve these things which I have just now called its foundations and component parts, and so keep in their course and reach that harbour of ease and dignity."

Vivat Res Publica nostra prosperrime!

Optimé valéte in pace deorum,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Excerpts from De Vita XII Caesarum C. Suetonii Tranquilli, The Lives of the Twelve Caesars by C. Suetonius Tranquillus
> Tiberius:
>
> 28  Sed et adversus convicia malosque rumores et famosa de se ac signum carmina firmus ac patiens, subinde iactabat in civitate libera linguam mentemque liberas esse debere; et quondam senatu cognitionem de eius modi criminibus ac reis flagitante: "Non tantum," inquit, "otii habemus, ut implicare nos pluribus negotiis debeamus; si hanc fenestram aperueritis, nihil aliud agi sinetis; omnium inimicitiae hoc praetexto ad vos deferentur." Exstat p336et sermo eius in senatu percivilis: "Siquidem locutus aliter fuerit, dabo operam ut rationem factorum meorum dictorumque reddam; si perseveraverit, in vicem eum odero."
>
> 29 Atque haec eo notabiliora erant, quod ipse in appellandis venerandisque et singulis et universis prope excesserat humanitatis modum. Dissentiens in curia a Q. Haterio: "Ignoscas," inquit, "rogo, si quid adversus te liberius sicut senator dixero." Et deinde omnis adloquens: "Dixi et nunc et saepe alias, p. c., bonum et salutarem principem, quem vos tanta et tam libera potestate instruxistis, senatui servire debere et universis civibus saepe et plerumque etiam singulis; neque id dixisse me paenitet, et bono et aequos et faventes vos habui dominos et adhuc habeo."
> 28  More than that, he was self-contained and patient in the face of abuse and slander, and of lampoons on himself and his family, often asserting that in a free country there should be free speech and free thought. When the senate on one occasion demanded that cognizance be taken of such offences and those guilty of them, he said: "We have not enough spare time to warrant involving ourselves in more affairs; if you open this loophole you will find no time for any other business; it will be an excuse for laying everybody's quarrels before you." A most unassuming remark of his in the senate is also a matter of record: "If so and so criticizes me I shall take care to render an account of my acts and words; if he persists, our enmity will be mutual."
>
> 29  All this was the more noteworthy, because in addressing and in paying his respects to the senators individually and as a body he himself almost exceeded the requirements of courtesy. In a disagreement with Quintus Haterius in the house, he said: "I crave your pardon, if in my capacity as senator I use too free language in opposing you." Then addressing the whole body: "I say now and have often said before, Fathers of the Senate, that a well-disposed and helpful prince, to whom you have given such great and unrestrained power, ought to be the servant of the senate, often of the citizens as a whole, and sometimes even of individuals. I do not regret my words, but I have looked upon you as kind, just, and indulgent masters, and still so regard you."
>
>
> 59  Multa praeterea specie gravitatis ac morum corrigendorum, sed et magis naturae optemperans, ita saeve et atrociter factitavit, ut nonnulli versiculis quoque et praesentia exprobrarent et futura denuntiarent mala:
>
> "Asper et inmitis, breviter vis omnia dicam?
>
> Dispeream, si te mater amare potest.
>
> Non es eques; quare? non sunt tibi milia centum;
>
> Omnia si quaeras, et Rhodus exilium est.
>
> Aurea mutasti Saturni saecula, Caesar;
>
> Incolumi nam et ferrea semper erunt.
>
> Fastidit vinum, quia iam sitit iste cruorem;
>
> Tam bibit hunc avide, quam bibit ante merum.
>
> Aspice felicem sibi, non tibi, Romule, Sullam
>
> Et Marium, si vis, aspice, sed reducem,
>
> Nec non Antoni civilia bella moventis
>
> Non semel infectas aspice caede manus,  
>
> Et dic: Roma perit! regnavit sanguine multo,
>
> Ad regnum quisquis venit ab exsilio."
>  
>
> Quae primo, quasi ab impatientibus remediorum48 ac non tam ex animi sententia quam bile et stomacho fingerentur, volebat accipi dicebatque identidem: "Oderint, dum probent." Dein vera plane certaque esse ipse fecit fidem.
>
> 59  He did so many other cruel and savage deeds under the guise of strictness and improvement of the public morals, but in reality rather to gratify his natural instincts, that some resorted to verses to express their detestation of the present ills and a warning against those to come:
>
> "Cruel and merciless man, shall I briefly say all I would utter?
>  
> Hang me if even your dam for you affection can feel.
> You are no knight. Why so? The hundred thousands are lacking;
>
> If you ask the whole tale, you were an exile at Rhodes.
> You, O Caesar, have altered the golden ages of Saturn;
>
> For while you are alive, iron they ever will be.
> Nothing for wine cares this fellow, since now 'tis for blood he is thirsting;
>
> This he as greedily quaffs as before wine without water.
>  Look, son of Rome, upon Sulla, for himself not for you blest and happy.  
>
> Marius too, if you will, but after capturing Rome;
>
> Hands of an Antony see, rousing the strife of the people,
>  
> Hands stained with blood not once, dripping again and again;
>
> Then say: Rome is no more! He ever has reigned with great bloodshed,
>
> Whoso made himself king, coming from banishment home."
>
> These at first he wished to be taken as the work of those who were impatient of his reforms, voicing not so much their real feelings as their anger and vexation; and he used to say from time to time: "Let them hate me, provided they respect my conduct." Later he himself proved them only too true and unerring.
>
> Valete optime,
>
> Julia
>

  
    

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:

> Salve Marcus Octavius Corvus,
> Resigning as an election official in order to stand for another office is at best against the SPRIT of the laws that govern our elections. It seems to be another loophole in Nova Roman law that we allow election officials to resign from office and then stand in the same elections they should have been supervising.

> Your resignation as Diribitor should not have been excepted and you should not be a candidate.

> I believe that we have had three of the four Diribitors resign from office this year.

> Citizens expect election officials to serve during election time.
>
> Vale
>

> Ti. Galerius Paulinus
>

> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: mcorvvs@...
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:21:25 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] CORVVS. RESIGNATION
>
>
>
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I, Marcus Octavius Corvus, resign from the position of Diribitor to be able to run for office of Tribunus Plebis. I believe as Tribunus Plebis(if I will be elected)I will be able to serve our ResPublica more efficiently.
>
> Optime valete,
>
> CORVVS
>

> > Melius: M. Tullius Cicero; auctor est, et nomen casu nominativo scribi
> > debet.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> > bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> > For a while as I was reading the Ciceronian passage below I was wondering
> > whether my brain¹s Latin department had gone AWOL, for the first part of the
> > English is not in the Latin. As I read on, however, I saw (to my great
> > relief) that the rest of it was indeed present. The translation of the Latin
> > quoted here actually begins with the sentence To the defender, etc.
> >
> > You are quite welcome with regard to the assistance with your ritual. It
> > would be wise for others to follow your example and ask one of our Latinists
> > for assistance before setting the text for such rituals, of course giving
> > enough time for that. Midterm writing is impending on this one...
> >
> > Melius: M. Tullius Cicero; auctor est, et nomen casu nominativo scribi
> > debet.
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> > Salvete omnes!
> >
> > My humble offering for the day is from M. Tulli Ciceronis:
> >
> >
> > "Harum rerum tot atque tantarum esse defensorem et patronum magni animi est,
> > magni ingeni magnaeque constantiae. etenim in tanto civium numero magna
> > multitudo est eorum qui aut propter metum poenae, peccatorum suorum conscii,
> > novos motus conversionesque rei publicae quaerant, aut qui propter insitum
> > quendam animi furorem discordiis civium ac seditione pascantur, aut qui
> > propter implicationem rei familiaris communi incendio malint quam suo
> > deflagrare. qui cum tutores sunt et duces suorum studiorum vitiorumque nacti,
> > in re publica fluctus excitantur, ut vigilandum sit iis qui sibi gubernacula
> > patriae depoposcerunt, enitendumque omni scientia ac diligentia ut,
> > conservatis iis quae ego paulo ante fundamenta ac membra esse dixi, tenere
> > cursum possint et capere oti illum portum et dignitatis."
> >
> > "And of this easy dignity these are the foundations, these are the component
> > parts, which ought to he upheld by the chief men, and to be defended even at
> > the hazard of their lives: religious observances, the auspices , the civil
> > power of magistrates, the authority of the senate, the laws, the usages of
> > one's ancestors, the courts of justice, the jurisdiction of the judges, good
> > faith, the provinces, the allies, the glory of the empire, the whole affairs
> > of the army, the treasury. To the defender and advocate of all these things,
> > numerous and important as they are, is a task to employ great courage, great
> > ability, and great firmness. In truth, in such a vast number of citizens,
> > there is a great multitude of those men, who either, from fear of punishment,
> > because they are conscious of their own misdeeds, are anxious for fresh
> > changes and revolutions in the republic; or who, on account of some innate
> > insanity of mind, feed upon the discords and seditions of the citizens; or
> > else who, on account of the embarrassment of their estates and circumstances,
> > had rather burn in one vast common conflagration, than in one which consumed
> > only themselves. And when these men have found instigators, leaders in and
> > promoters of their own objects and vices, their waves are stirred up in the
> > republic, so that those men must watch who have demanded for themselves the
> > helm of the country, and they must strive with all their skill and with all
> > their diligence, in order that they may be able to preserve these things which
> > I have just now called its foundations and component parts, and so keep in
> > their course and reach that harbour of ease and dignity."
> >
> > Vivat Res Publica nostra prosperrime!
> >
> > Optimé valéte in pace deorum,
> >
> > Julia
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Salvete omnes,
> >> >
> >> > Excerpts from De Vita XII Caesarum C. Suetonii Tranquilli, The Lives of the
> >> Twelve Caesars by C. Suetonius Tranquillus
> >> > Tiberius:
> >> >
> >> > 28 Sed et adversus convicia malosque rumores et famosa de se ac signum
> >> carmina firmus ac patiens, subinde iactabat in civitate libera linguam
> >> mentemque liberas esse debere; et quondam senatu cognitionem de eius modi
> >> criminibus ac reis flagitante: "Non tantum," inquit, "otii habemus, ut
> >> implicare nos pluribus negotiis debeamus; si hanc fenestram aperueritis,
> >> nihil aliud agi sinetis; omnium inimicitiae hoc praetexto ad vos deferentur."
> >> Exstat p336et sermo eius in senatu percivilis: "Siquidem locutus aliter
> >> fuerit, dabo operam ut rationem factorum meorum dictorumque reddam; si
> >> perseveraverit, in vicem eum odero."
> >> >
> >> > 29 Atque haec eo notabiliora erant, quod ipse in appellandis venerandisque
> >> et singulis et universis prope excesserat humanitatis modum. Dissentiens in
> >> curia a Q. Haterio: "Ignoscas," inquit, "rogo, si quid adversus te liberius
> >> sicut senator dixero." Et deinde omnis adloquens: "Dixi et nunc et saepe
> >> alias, p. c., bonum et salutarem principem, quem vos tanta et tam libera
> >> potestate instruxistis, senatui servire debere et universis civibus saepe et
> >> plerumque etiam singulis; neque id dixisse me paenitet, et bono et aequos et
> >> faventes vos habui dominos et adhuc habeo."
> >> > 28 More than that, he was self-contained and patient in the face of abuse
> >> and slander, and of lampoons on himself and his family, often asserting that
> >> in a free country there should be free speech and free thought. When the
> >> senate on one occasion demanded that cognizance be taken of such offences and
> >> those guilty of them, he said: "We have not enough spare time to warrant
> >> involving ourselves in more affairs; if you open this loophole you will find
> >> no time for any other business; it will be an excuse for laying everybody's
> >> quarrels before you." A most unassuming remark of his in the senate is also a
> >> matter of record: "If so and so criticizes me I shall take care to render an
> >> account of my acts and words; if he persists, our enmity will be mutual."
> >> >
> >> > 29 All this was the more noteworthy, because in addressing and in paying
> >> his respects to the senators individually and as a body he himself almost
> >> exceeded the requirements of courtesy. In a disagreement with Quintus
> >> Haterius in the house, he said: "I crave your pardon, if in my capacity as
> >> senator I use too free language in opposing you." Then addressing the whole
> >> body: "I say now and have often said before, Fathers of the Senate, that a
> >> well-disposed and helpful prince, to whom you have given such great and
> >> unrestrained power, ought to be the servant of the senate, often of the
> >> citizens as a whole, and sometimes even of individuals. I do not regret my
> >> words, but I have looked upon you as kind, just, and indulgent masters, and
> >> still so regard you."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 59 Multa praeterea specie gravitatis ac morum corrigendorum, sed et magis
> >> naturae optemperans, ita saeve et atrociter factitavit, ut nonnulli
> >> versiculis quoque et praesentia exprobrarent et futura denuntiarent mala:
> >> >
> >> > "Asper et inmitis, breviter vis omnia dicam?
> >> >
> >> > Dispeream, si te mater amare potest.
> >> >
> >> > Non es eques; quare? non sunt tibi milia centum;
> >> >
> >> > Omnia si quaeras, et Rhodus exilium est.
> >> >
> >> > Aurea mutasti Saturni saecula, Caesar;
> >> >
> >> > Incolumi nam et ferrea semper erunt.
> >> >
> >> > Fastidit vinum, quia iam sitit iste cruorem;
> >> >
> >> > Tam bibit hunc avide, quam bibit ante merum.
> >> >
> >> > Aspice felicem sibi, non tibi, Romule, Sullam
> >> >
> >> > Et Marium, si vis, aspice, sed reducem,
> >> >
> >> > Nec non Antoni civilia bella moventis
> >> >
> >> > Non semel infectas aspice caede manus,
> >> >
> >> > Et dic: Roma perit! regnavit sanguine multo,
> >> >
> >> > Ad regnum quisquis venit ab exsilio."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Quae primo, quasi ab impatientibus remediorum48 ac non tam ex animi
> >> sententia quam bile et stomacho fingerentur, volebat accipi dicebatque
> >> identidem: "Oderint, dum probent." Dein vera plane certaque esse ipse fecit
> >> fidem.
> >> >
> >> > 59 He did so many other cruel and savage deeds under the guise of
> >> strictness and improvement of the public morals, but in reality rather to
> >> gratify his natural instincts, that some resorted to verses to express their
> >> detestation of the present ills and a warning against those to come:
> >> >
> >> > "Cruel and merciless man, shall I briefly say all I would utter?
> >> >
> >> > Hang me if even your dam for you affection can feel.
> >> > You are no knight. Why so? The hundred thousands are lacking;
> >> >
> >> > If you ask the whole tale, you were an exile at Rhodes.
> >> > You, O Caesar, have altered the golden ages of Saturn;
> >> >
> >> > For while you are alive, iron they ever will be.
> >> > Nothing for wine cares this fellow, since now 'tis for blood he is
> >> thirsting;
> >> >
> >> > This he as greedily quaffs as before wine without water.
> >> > Look, son of Rome, upon Sulla, for himself not for you blest and happy.
> >> >
> >> > Marius too, if you will, but after capturing Rome;
> >> >
> >> > Hands of an Antony see, rousing the strife of the people,
> >> >
> >> > Hands stained with blood not once, dripping again and again;
> >> >
> >> > Then say: Rome is no more! He ever has reigned with great bloodshed,
> >> >
> >> > Whoso made himself king, coming from banishment home."
> >> >
> >> > These at first he wished to be taken as the work of those who were
> >> impatient of his reforms, voicing not so much their real feelings as their
> >> anger and vexation; and he used to say from time to time: "Let them hate me,
> >> provided they respect my conduct." Later he himself proved them only too true
> >> and unerring.
> >> >
> >> > Valete optime,
> >> >
> >> > Julia
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
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