On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:38 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

Fides to the state is one of the highest Roman virtues & we all should observe it.
 

Maior, I'm in no way disagreeing with this. However, deciding to hand over private property because the state requests it is one thing.  Having the state DEMAND your private property on pain of all sorts of ridiculous fines and punishments is another. A state that can do that is not one I would feel deserving of any loyalty

Flavia Lucilla Merula

the word for the day is infamous. (I'm using my Wheelock text as my source,
because that's what I've got at the moment. However, if you come up with
something different than I have, and you can convince me you get full credit
(grin).

P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus C. Mariæ Cæcæ S.D.

1. "Infamous" comes from the Latin adjectvive "infāmis" meaning, among others, "dishonourable".
2. It can be masculine, feminine and neuter.
3. Full declension:

Masculine
	Singulare	Plural
Nominative Genitive Dative Accusative Vocative Ablative	infamis infamis infami infamem infamis infami	infames infamĭum infamĭbus infames infames infamĭbus

Feminine
	Singular	Plural
Nominative Genitive Dative Accusative Vocative Ablative	infamis infamis infami infamem infamis infami	infames infamĭum infamĭbus infames infames infamĭbus
Neuter   Singular Plural Nominative Genitive Dative Accusative Vocative Ablative infame infamis infami infame infame infami infamĭa infamĭum infamĭbus infamĭa infamĭa infamĭbus

Thanks for the excellent game idea et optime vale,
P. Ann. Con. Placidus

>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> The two situations were not similar at all, and you do Cincinnatus Augur a serious and grave disservice by misrepresenting the case.
>
> I repeat: the "Novaromatribunalis List" is not, has not ever been any kind of official List, and therefore is not subject in any way to the desires of any magistrate or entity of Nova Roma - nor has any entity or magistrate of Nova Roma ever asked it to be.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> I want to clear up a very serious misconception that Moravius Piscinus is encouraging.
>
> Iulius Caesar did *not* defy the Senate regarding the Magna Mater Project. As an officer in the legal system in Canada, concerned in part with fraud, he brought some very valid concerns before the Senate regarding how the Magna Mater Project is portraying itself both within and without the Respublica.
>
> In a move of proprietary caution, the site has been suspended until such time as issues regarding the Project can be clarified. The majority of the Senate supports his actions - and did so by vote - as we have a responsibility to the corporation under the laws of the United States, and it was believed wiser to err on the side of caution than to allow possible negative - and unnecessary - legal problems to impact the corporation.
>
> Some in the Senate actually tried to pass off the idea that because US law is so concerned with fraud and even the appearance of fraud, the corporation should re-incorporate in a different country in order to allow the Magna Mater Project to escape the scrutiny of the US government. This idea withered into well-deserved oblivion.
>
> It is indicative, however, of many in the current government's mindset of avoidance and secrecy - a mindset that I am determined to root out if elected consul.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Modiano sal.
>
> As curule aedile he also has a responsibility to protect the corporation as a whole from violating the law - something in which he stands almost solitary in his commitment to doing among the current members of our government. The Senate stood behind him, even if you do not.
>
> And yes, as a matter of fact, Fabius Quintilianus was unfortunately one of the loudest voices calling for us to abandon incorporation in the United States because the laws here regarding fraud he thought were too intrusive on our sovereignty.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Iulio salutem dicit
>
> I'm not impressed with you; nor do I find your attacks all that
> intimidating. Your insinuation that I was responsible for there NOT being a
> conventus in the past is absurd. I have never been responsible for a US
> Conventus. When Marinus was assigned that task by Piscinus I proposed a
> location, but it fell through. Don't try to place blame upon me, nice try
> at deflection. The citizens of Nova Roma would be fools to support and vote
> for you for any office. You represent a side of Nova Roma that is rotten
> and in need of excision.
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <
> gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Caesar Modiano sal.
> >
> > It seems your close association with Maior and her "logic" has further
> > befuddled you. Is this even possible? The issues concerning the MMP were and
> > remain real, despite the various truckloads of whitewash that arrived to
> > cover that project in. It is noteworthy that none of the hair pulling, gasps
> > of outrage and horror and self-flagelaltion that some of you exhibited
> > during that event would have been necessary had someone else not decided to
> > take the matter outside of the Senate, where I had brought it, and vomit it
> > forth into this forum. However not being one to stand in the way of a good
> > farce - as supplied by all the "doom is upon us, the MMP website is down"
> > crowd of second rate actors - on its opening night, I stood to one side and
> > watched the deluge of accusations spill forth, until such time as I decided
> > to supply the counter viewpoint.
> >
> > Managing a project also includes having the gumption to suspend it if there
> > is even the merest hint of legal issues. That requires a spine and a brain
> > attached to the end of that spine Modiane. Would you like me to supply a
> > diagram so you can identify them when next, if ever, you exhibit the need to
> > have use for them? Of course that will come as a horrific shock to some of
> > your friends, whose established course of action in such an event is to
> > ignore it with the aid of the trusty paper bag they always carry around to
> > jam on their heads at such moments, the equivalent of shouting 'all's well
> > move along, nothing to see here" when clearly to anyone with a modicum of
> > detachment and intelligence knows things are from from "well". In closing on
> > the MMP, since the Senate isn't even in possession of the final report on
> > the matter, we can hardly consider the matter of no significance, try though
> > you might to portray this. If you didn't like the result of my having to
> > adminster the MMP, well you should have had the foresight to understand that
> > without a colleague as I was at the start of the year it would fall to me,
> > so if you or others didn't want it in my tender care, then maybe some
> > fingers should have been extracted and an election held in short order to
> > find me a colleague who would then have taken this project on.
> >
> > Now, as to the Conventus, well my dear old chap last year under you and
> > Maior, no Conventus. This year, a conventus and before the feeble squeaking
> > starts about who did what, of course others than I are resposnible for its
> > having being held. Local help on the ground is essential. So I have no
> > problem with everyone, including Maior taking the laurels. All that mattered
> > was that it occurred, for this event has been planned just about every year
> > for the last 5 years, with nothing to show for it. It wasn't even important
> > how many people turned up, the most important thing was to actually hold an
> > event, knowing full well that the usual collection of, as Maior would say,
> > suspects would appear armed with their bag of rocks. As you yourself said on
> > your blog Modiane, such is the life of magistrates in Nova Roma. Again, last
> > year under Modianus and Maior, no Conventus. This year, a Conventus. Do the
> > math and work out which was a better result. 1+1=2 Modiane. I kept it
> > suitably simple so you could grasp this starting concept.
> >
> > What else was there? Oh, yes the Ludi. It always amazes me how many people
> > suddenly are slavering for the "games", when of course they never entered
> > them before or were crticial of the concept of the "games". The games that
> > were required to be staged by the Curule Aediles were staged. If you want
> > more, well a good start would be to hoist your toga up and sign up to them
> > and participate. Better still, run some yourself, and then I might take your
> > comments more seriously.
> >
> > Go and fill your bag of rocks up again Modiane, you picked up your usual
> > collection of flawed and feeble pebbles.
> >
> > Optime vale.
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Iulius Caesar" <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> Caesar Modiano. sal.
>
> Hardly an attack Modiane, hardly. I would save that for someone far more worthy. You don't fall into that catergory.
>
> The conventus occurred this year. I wasn't mandated to take the Conventus on and arrange it. This was followng a request from Maior herself that I support the Conventus. I did so and even went a step further. I was therefore in the same position as you and Maior the previous year, all of us volunteers. You and Maior dropped the ball, and I read your contributions on the list, and this year by dint of all efforts the ball was not dropped. It was far from perfect, but something is better than nothing - which is what was served up last year.
>
> I note that you talk of excision. That clearly illustrates that you and your associates will try their level best to continue the purges that started with the ousting of Cassius.
>
> What Nova Roma really needs is magistrates and Senators that have the maturity and honesty to understand that as an organization we are one big tent of differing opinions, and that the only way to change that is to reduce everone to compliant nodding dogs in a forum subject to draconian moderation to ensure we all speak with one voice. I thought that mentality had died in the '30's and '40's but here you are Modiane doing your best to build your own little gulag for the "rotten" elements of Nova Roma, which translated means those that don't agree or support you.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Iulio salutem dicit
> >
> > I'm not impressed with you; nor do I find your attacks all that
> > intimidating. Your insinuation that I was responsible for there NOT being a
> > conventus in the past is absurd. I have never been responsible for a US
> > Conventus. When Marinus was assigned that task by Piscinus I proposed a
> > location, but it fell through. Don't try to place blame upon me, nice try
> > at deflection. The citizens of Nova Roma would be fools to support and vote
> > for you for any office. You represent a side of Nova Roma that is rotten
> > and in need of excision.
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <
> > gn_iulius_caesar@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Caesar Modiano sal.
> > >
> > > It seems your close association with Maior and her "logic" has further
> > > befuddled you. Is this even possible? The issues concerning the MMP were and
> > > remain real, despite the various truckloads of whitewash that arrived to
> > > cover that project in. It is noteworthy that none of the hair pulling, gasps
> > > of outrage and horror and self-flagelaltion that some of you exhibited
> > > during that event would have been necessary had someone else not decided to
> > > take the matter outside of the Senate, where I had brought it, and vomit it
> > > forth into this forum. However not being one to stand in the way of a good
> > > farce - as supplied by all the "doom is upon us, the MMP website is down"
> > > crowd of second rate actors - on its opening night, I stood to one side and
> > > watched the deluge of accusations spill forth, until such time as I decided
> > > to supply the counter viewpoint.
> > >
> > > Managing a project also includes having the gumption to suspend it if there
> > > is even the merest hint of legal issues. That requires a spine and a brain
> > > attached to the end of that spine Modiane. Would you like me to supply a
> > > diagram so you can identify them when next, if ever, you exhibit the need to
> > > have use for them? Of course that will come as a horrific shock to some of
> > > your friends, whose established course of action in such an event is to
> > > ignore it with the aid of the trusty paper bag they always carry around to
> > > jam on their heads at such moments, the equivalent of shouting 'all's well
> > > move along, nothing to see here" when clearly to anyone with a modicum of
> > > detachment and intelligence knows things are from from "well". In closing on
> > > the MMP, since the Senate isn't even in possession of the final report on
> > > the matter, we can hardly consider the matter of no significance, try though
> > > you might to portray this. If you didn't like the result of my having to
> > > adminster the MMP, well you should have had the foresight to understand that
> > > without a colleague as I was at the start of the year it would fall to me,
> > > so if you or others didn't want it in my tender care, then maybe some
> > > fingers should have been extracted and an election held in short order to
> > > find me a colleague who would then have taken this project on.
> > >
> > > Now, as to the Conventus, well my dear old chap last year under you and
> > > Maior, no Conventus. This year, a conventus and before the feeble squeaking
> > > starts about who did what, of course others than I are resposnible for its
> > > having being held. Local help on the ground is essential. So I have no
> > > problem with everyone, including Maior taking the laurels. All that mattered
> > > was that it occurred, for this event has been planned just about every year
> > > for the last 5 years, with nothing to show for it. It wasn't even important
> > > how many people turned up, the most important thing was to actually hold an
> > > event, knowing full well that the usual collection of, as Maior would say,
> > > suspects would appear armed with their bag of rocks. As you yourself said on
> > > your blog Modiane, such is the life of magistrates in Nova Roma. Again, last
> > > year under Modianus and Maior, no Conventus. This year, a Conventus. Do the
> > > math and work out which was a better result. 1+1=2 Modiane. I kept it
> > > suitably simple so you could grasp this starting concept.
> > >
> > > What else was there? Oh, yes the Ludi. It always amazes me how many people
> > > suddenly are slavering for the "games", when of course they never entered
> > > them before or were crticial of the concept of the "games". The games that
> > > were required to be staged by the Curule Aediles were staged. If you want
> > > more, well a good start would be to hoist your toga up and sign up to them
> > > and participate. Better still, run some yourself, and then I might take your
> > > comments more seriously.
> > >
> > > Go and fill your bag of rocks up again Modiane, you picked up your usual
> > > collection of flawed and feeble pebbles.
> > >
> > > Optime vale.
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete;
>
> to make this crystal clear. If Gn. Iulius Caesar had a moral issue about the Magna Mater Project he should have gone to our Chief Financial Officer with his problems. She would consult a lawyer, fix any problems and that would be that.
>
>
> Now Nova Roma's reputation is tarnished, "Fraud" is mentioned in the NRwiki.
>
> Is it really this easy to fix things? When I entered the Senate, I asked about NR's financial report. I was told there was none. I worked with last years consuls, Sabinus and Piscinus, and Equestria Iunia Laeca to to have Nova Roma's finances be transparant and public.
>
>
> No drama, no Senate censure, no tarnishing Nova Roma's good name. Just
> a problem solved.
> Amici this is an important election over Nova Roma's
> future, we can be like the reformed CP - full of projects and great achievements or - or you can elect magistates who will do 0 but argue on the ML.
> optime valete
> M. Hortensia Maior
> candidate for praetor
> and a Nova Roma of accomplishments!
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Modiano sal.
> >
> > As curule aedile he also has a responsibility to protect the corporation as a whole from violating the law - something in which he stands almost solitary in his commitment to doing among the current members of our government. The Senate stood behind him, even if you do not.
> >
> > And yes, as a matter of fact, Fabius Quintilianus was unfortunately one of the loudest voices calling for us to abandon incorporation in the United States because the laws here regarding fraud he thought were too intrusive on our sovereignty.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> No Comment:
>
>
> From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gnaeus.iulius.caesar@...>
> Subject: Re: Conventus - North America
> To: rory12001@...
> Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 6:44 AM
>
> Salve Maior.
>
> I have completed my allocations of scribes inside the Cohors aedilicia. There is one Work Group dedicated to the Nth. American Conventus, with another in reserve. A further group is observing without directly participating, to gain experience and contribute

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Cn. Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

 

Caesar Modiano. sal.

Hardly an attack Modiane, hardly. I would save that for someone far more worthy. You don't fall into that catergory.

The conventus occurred this year. I wasn't mandated to take the Conventus on and arrange it. This was followng a request from Maior herself that I support the Conventus. I did so and even went a step further. I was therefore in the same position as you and Maior the previous year, all of us volunteers. You and Maior dropped the ball, and I read your contributions on the list, and this year by dint of all efforts the ball was not dropped. It was far from perfect, but something is better than nothing - which is what was served up last year.

I note that you talk of excision. That clearly illustrates that you and your associates will try their level best to continue the purges that started with the ousting of Cassius.

What Nova Roma really needs is magistrates and Senators that have the maturity and honesty to understand that as an organization we are one big tent of differing opinions, and that the only way to change that is to reduce everone to compliant nodding dogs in a forum subject to draconian moderation to ensure we all speak with one voice. I thought that mentality had died in the '30's and '40's but here you are Modiane doing your best to build your own little gulag for the "rotten" elements of Nova Roma, which translated means those that don't agree or support you.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> I disagree with people I consider my friends here in Nova Roma all the
> time. I don't agree with everything Maior proposes, nor do I bow down to
> everything that Piscinus supports; however, we discuss the issues until we
> come to an accord. It is called respect and compromise. I'm not convinced
> you, Sulla, Cato, or the rest of your ilk view such things as respect for

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Maior Fabiana Quiritibus spd;
>
> Here is my curriculum vitae
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Marca_Hortensia_Maior_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
> There are those who care for Nova Roma and want to make a real community full of real activities. If you read the CP list of accomplishments you know it is possible.
>
> Imagine what Nova Roma could do if we had these kind of positive people as magistrates.....
>
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Caeca,
>
> :-)  I understand completely and I agree completely.
>
> By the way, I think Nova Rome is long over due to go into this direction. On that way there are many obstacles and hurdles to overcome but honestly.....I think there is by far more to
> be done and NR could be farther on the way. What is it that holds it up ?
>
> Rota
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> From: C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Please don't let this get trivial-It is about NR here
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 3:18 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> Salve Rota,
>  
> Oh, please understand, I am in no way diminishing the role
> of physical activities and interactions!  They are absolutely essential,
> but I feel that they must work in tandem with our virtual efforts, so that the
> edifice we end up constructing will be strong in every way in which it is
> possible for us to make it.  Each avenue depends, for its success, partly
> on the other element, and when they work *together*, and are given equal
> attention and equal care, we, and those who come after us, will find nothing
> impossible to accomplish.  It isn't a case of "either or" it's a case of a
> high quality *both*! (smile).  Besides, I'm selfish.  My personal
> environment would be so much poorer with people like our Lentulus, or Livia
> Plauta, whose posts are so well written that I enjoy reading them, even when I
> disagree entirely, or those friends I have, who, though they also live on the
> East coast, are too far away for me to visit.
>  
> Vale bene,
> C. Maria Caeca
>

 
 A. Tullia Scholastica C. Equitio Catoni quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
   

Cato Tulliae Scholasticae sal.

You seem, still, to be unable to grasp the difference between this List - the Forum, or ML - which is an official List belonging to the corporation, and the "Novaromatribunalis List", which was created privately simply to be used as a tool by whomever wanted to.  

    ATS:  More like to be used as a tool by the praetors and their staffs, or at least their quaestores, since they are the sole moderators of that list.  Secondly, the ownership of this list was handed over to each pair of praetors, just as the magisterial lists tend to be.  Permanent ownership was not intended.  We were custodians in a sense, there to protect the list and use it wisely, not do what we damn pleased...and without informing the other praetor that such a wholesale excision was contemplated.   


How other Lists act is of no consequence whatsoever.

    ATS:  That may be the case with related, but by no means official, lists such as the BA.  Ditto the various sodality and religious lists, etc.  This one functioned like an official list, and certainly dealt with an official function detailed to the praetores.  

It is not official.

    ATS:  Maybe not, but it is semi-official, handed over to the next set of magistrates.  

It is not the property of the Respublica.

    ATS:  Only of a pair of its magistrates in turn.  


It has no rights, privileges, legal authority, or obligations under Nova Roman law.

    ATS:  Mailing lists have rights?  


By whom were "we asked to take care of it"?  This is in your imagination.

    ATS:  No, it wasn’t, though perhaps you have forgotten that its previous owner requested that when he handed the list over to us.  

Nor have you grasped that "ALL" of the archives of that List have not been deleted; this is a false alarum on your part which looks less and less like simple oversight and more and more like politically-motivated disingenuity.  

    ATS:  Oh?  Where are these archives?  I couldn’t find a thing relating to several previous trials.  The only archives which remained where those which followed your little spree.  Secondly, politically motivated?  I have mentioned this several times to absolute silence...and I am not running for anything, let alone against you.  I am a politikon zoon only in the widest sense of the term.  

The additional entirely unwarranted and unjustified personal slur against my cultus privatus

    ATS:  Cultus privatus?  One could hardly call a major religion a private cult.  Now if you added Neptunus to your devotions, that might take you away from the mainstream of Orthodox Christianity (Greek or other; I assume your version is the Greek one), and that would become a cultus privatus, but otherwise your practice of Orthodox Christianity is that of a religion, not a cultus, privatus or other.  Secondly, my mention of this was not a slur.  I do not share the attitudes of some against Christianity in general, or any individual variation thereof.  I simply think that anyone raised in any form of Christianity should be able to distinguish right from wrong.  


 is becoming politically de rigeur now - the shadow of Regulus falls long, apparently -

    ATS:  ???  Where did you get that?  I don’t agree with everything he says...or how he says it.  

 so I should not have been surprised when you jumped on that bandwagon. And yet somehow I was.

    ATS:  I did not jump on any bandwagon.  Maybe that is why you were a bit surprised; I do not immerse myself in politics (and am far too busy to do so)...though I was surprised when you turned your back on your former political allies after your return from exile and chose to align yourself with the Boni/Back Alley Party/whatever.  After we met, I always thought you would eventually run for consul, and had thought you would make a good one...but you changed.  

Vale,

Cato

Vale, et valete.

 
   

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia" <scriba_forum@...> wrote:
>
> Pompeia Minucia Strabo G. Equitio Catoni S.P.D.
>
> You and I haven't exactly been avid supporters of each other for some time. We disagree amuch. But upon some reflection, I believe my remarks to you last Friday were over the top. I was unnecessarily rude and I apologize.
>
> The social norm as of late, more than ever, seems to be rudeness for the sake of rudeness. I honestly don't advocate this state of social *normalcy*, and, so ...why do I feed into it? When I do these things, and I reap negativity, I only get what I deserve. At the end of the day, the only behaviour I can control is my own, why this note.
>
> I realize that sometimes facts need to be stated and we can't always deliver all messages in a pretty fashion. But, in this case there really was no need at all for me to be so brass.
>
> Mea Culpa
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "C.Maria Caeca"
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Please don't let this get trivial-It is about
NR here


Salve Rota,

Oh, please understand, I am in no way diminishing the role of physical
activities and interactions! They are absolutely essential, but I feel that
they must work in tandem with our virtual efforts, so that the edifice we
end up constructing will be strong in every way in which it is possible for
us to make it. Each avenue depends, for its success, partly on the other
element, and when they work *together*, and are given equal attention and
equal care, we, and those who come after us, will find nothing impossible to
accomplish. It isn't a case of "either or" it's a case of a high quality
*both*! (smile). Besides, I'm selfish. My personal environment would be so
much poorer with people like our Lentulus, or Livia Plauta, whose posts are
so well written that I enjoy reading them, even when I disagree entirely, or
those friends I have, who, though they also live on the East coast, are too
far away for me to visit.

Vale bene,
C. Maria Caeca

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>

>
> These are functions of the Respublica which should be fostered - as I have said many times in every place that the Respublica exists - usually to scorn because the very same people who now clamor for magistracies have clamored against the real-time functions of a government. If it is nit-picking to want the government to function in accordance with our law and the US laws governing us, I am proud to be called a nit-picker.
>

LLP: No, it is nit-picking to say that because the constitution says the CP "shall" have 10 members some more members have to be appinted immediately, even when it's obvious that there are no citizens willing and competent enough, except those already in the CP.

>
> I created a list for the purpose of subsidizing our priests with ingredients and real goods for use in ritual; not a single member of the current religious "elite" bothered to get involved or even respond.
>
LLP: People are used to buying their own supplies for religious rituals. When you do them at home all the time, as we do, a few more rituals for NR do not make such a difference.
>
> I created a folder here, in the Forum archives, for the publication of ritual observances to be shared with the whole Respublica; to date, mine are the only files there.
>
LLP: This may be because currebtly nobody can upload files to this list, except, probably, the listowners.

It is also easier to find this sort of information in the wiki, which should be privileged over the mailing lists for posting permanent information.

Optime vale,
Livia

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:

 

Salve Maior,
 
For Censor: Titus Iulius Sabinus;… "a consul who righted Nova Roma's finances."…
 
I have no doubt that Iulius Sabinus will make a fine Censor which is why I endorsed him as my successor over a year ago., but your continued effort to rewrite Nova Roman history on the topic of which Consul "righted Nova Roma's finances" is getting old.
 
While Iulius Sabinus continued the reform of our finances someday Maior you will find the decency to acknowledge that I started the “righting of our finances” during my term as Consul.
 
It was I who found our talented Equestria Iunia Laeca and brought her in as a member of my staff to work on the reform of our finances.
 
I suggested she stand for Quaestor and recommended that she be made Consular Quaestor for the following year to continue her good works.
 
I also strongly supported her appointment as our CFO and I continued to support her as a member of and then Chair of the Senate Budget and Finance committee.
 
It was I that first created the taxpayers list you see on the Wiki and I am the person who looked for and found as many financial records from as many of our list that I could and also put them on the Wiki.
 
I also paid, for over a year, for Nova Roma’s online financial software. Nova Roma now uses QuickBooks online so no matter who it is or where they live our treasury officials would be working from the same page and once ‘righted” we would move forward.
 
Someday Maior, someday.
 
Vale
 
Ti. Galerius Paulinus
Candidate For Consul

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cato" <catoinnyc@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:53 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Candidates, how will you approach a real NR World ?


Cato Liviae sal.

You prove my point. Because many of our laws - which are our legal
corporate by-laws - are poorly written and do not reflect sensible or the
actual meanings that may have been intended, we end up with arguments like
that.

"Shall" means something legally (as I have demonstrated quite clearly and
repeatedly), whether you like what it means or not. The answers I received
were basically that some - like you - just don't like the actual meaning of
"shall" in its context, so you prefer to make it mean something that is more
comfortable and requires less work to correct.

We are bound to obey the law, whether you like obeying it or not. The
answers the Respublica has received from many in the current government has
simply been to ignore the law when it is politically or personally expedient
to do so. This must cease, and if I am elected consul, it will.

We can change the law if it is unsupportable or nonsensical - and I have
suggested many simple - and a few more complex - changes to clarify and
re-organize our tabularium; you never even bothered to comment on my
suggestions - for good or for bad - so it is difficult to take your present
concern seriously, other than a simple attempt to discredit me by
misrepresentation and over-simplification.

Again, if it is "nit-picking" to desire scrupulous - or even, given the
blunders of the current government, the sense that our magistrates even
respect the law to some degree - attention to our law, I am proud to be a
nit-picker.

Vale,

Cato

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick O" <brotherpaganus@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:26 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Announcement-Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis


Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis s.p.d.

I have fulfilled the duties of the office of Tribune to which I was elected
by the Plebeian Order of Nova Roma, completed the majority of my term of
office, and having insured that one of my colleagues will act as the
substitute reporting Tribune for the rest of November, I tender my
resignation as Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma. I wish to thank the People of
Nova Roma for allowing me to serve them for a second time.

Valete.

>I give my full endorsement to Lucia Livia Plauta. I completely trust in her
>and I am amazing >by her ability to realize the impossible! She is a woman
>very active, very positive towards >Nova Roma. I met her in Rome during the
>Parilia and in Aquincum (Budapest) during the >Floralia. With her,
>Apollonius Cordus and Cornelius Lentulus we spoke Latin and practiced >a
>great and public sacrifice to the Gods. I urge citizens to vote for her.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar" <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar S.P.D.
>
> Having observed the various issues inside Nova Roma and the self-evident need for increased interaction within the setting of local communities, I have concluded that the root of many of our problems, including this year's are in fact structural. I am sending you a copy of a discussion paper I authored earlier in the year, which lays out a framework for the re-birth of Nova Roma, the preservation of its core values, a methodology to extend ourselves further into community life, and suggestions to resolve the continuing conflict between the needs of macronational law and the needs of Nova Roma and its law. This in part arose from a discussion on the Back Alley, which then at Livia's request I transferred to the magistrates list where it continued for a short time. It is in the form of a PDF file (584 KB). I will attach it and ask the praetors to upload it in the file section here.
>
> So rather than try and give a summary, I will let you peruse it. Suffice to say none of our problems, including issues over corporate compliance and protecting the respublica, a stimulation of creative projects, financing and the nature of our provinces and issues over size and nature, as well as the relationship between the central "government" and the provincial structures, is insoluble. In fact if we try to solve these issues without radically overhauling the framework that our respublica is built on, we will achieve little to nothing. The disputes, debates and arguments are a symptom only of the root problem. No one is at "fault", it is purely to my mind a question of how we structure ourselves, and the creation of tools and processes that allow us to become more goal orientated and for those goals to have consensus support and continuity through the years to come. I have gone into considerable detail in outlining a plan of action, so be prepared to digest a lot of material. There is simply no way around this as our problems, though soluble, are complex in a number of aspects. The report is predicated on a unified approach to these matters and is non-judgmental. The important issue is not so much how we ended up in this situation, but how we plan to extract ourselves.
>
> This paper doesn't speak so much to my own personal role, if elected, as praetor, but all our roles, though the areas of the praetor's responsibilities are dealt with - along with other magistrates. We have to remember that whoever is elected this year, as in all years, the clock ticks down and in twelve months the faces will change again (or at least the roles will). No one set of magistrates can solve the issues that face us, including our creation of a real "NR world", within that timeframe unless there is positive commitment to continue their efforts, a clear action plan, and support from the citizens. If these three elements are not present all this year's magistrates will be able to do is paper over the cracks.
>
> I will ask the praetors to upload this to the file section, but until then I anyone wishes me to email me a copy just write to me at gn_iulius_caesar at yahoo dot com and I will send it on. Your copy Rota will arrive shortly.
>
> Optime valete.
>
>
>

> To get this one, you may need to look up the meaning of a given

in this case, Amanda (my favorite girl's name, and the one I would have
given to my daughter, had I been blessed with one).

I'm looking for a verb, this time. So,

1. infinitive and to which um group? it belongs. 1 point.

Infinitive is ămāre = to love. It belongs to the first group, -āre

2. All verb parts, 1 point.

Do you mean this? ămo, ămas, amavi, amatum, ămāre.

3. Correct conjugation of the present indicative, 2 points.

I sing::   ămo
II sing. :ămas
III sing.: ămat
I plur.:  ămāmus
II plur.: ămātis
III plur.:  ămant

4. Correct conjugations of future and past indicative tenses, 2 bonus
points each.

Future (persons as above):
ămābo
ămābis
ămābit
ămabĭmus
ămabĭtis
ămābunt

Past, also known as Perfect (persons as above):
amavi
amavisti
amavit
amavĭmus
amavistis
amavērunt, amavēre

5. Both singular and plural imperatives, 1 bonus point.

Singular imperative: ăma, plural imperative: ămāte

By the way, the name Amanda by itself means "the one who has to be loved".

Optime vale,
P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cato" <catoinnyc@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:06 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Candidates, how will you approach a real NR World ?


Cato Liviae sal.

I'm not sure exactly how to say - again - that you obviously did not even
look at the multiple suggestions I have made - multiple times - to reform
our tabularium.

Any "report" you created was certainly not given to the Law Review List that
I was a member of. Perhaps our consul..."forgot"...to do so.

Since wording - like the use of the word "shall" - is critical to correcting
and revising our laws, you are now purposefully and directly contradicting
yourself simply to try to ignore recognizing my several and repeated
attempts to draw out conversation regarding the tabularium.

As that is the case, and since you steadfastly refuse to enlighten yourself
so that we can speak from a similar understanding, I'm not sure what point
there is to discussing the matter further with you. When you are ready to
have an intelligent and informed discussion regarding correcting the
tabularium, it will be my pleasure to do so.

Vale,

Cato

> Last time I checked I had presented my Lex Galeria de cursu honorum because another candidate had stated that during my term as Consul I had not suggested any changes to how our magistrates were elected or how they served. I showed that he was mistaken.

> This came up during the time one of our election official was leaving his post in order to stand for office.

> I also presented it with the request that there be discussion on it and asked that suggestions be made on how to improve it.