--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Cives Nova Romana;
>
> Marca Hortensia Maior...
>
> I have no confidence what so ever in either this person's awareness of
> truthfulness, evenness of temper, actual education or independence of
> thought.
>
> I think that this person is not a full person, and will not be of any
> use towards the goal of fulfilling a realized Nova Roma in any role
> whatsoever.
>
> ==========================
> mea sententia
> Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> A reminder that the Contio has ended. Thus any slack I may have been
> inclined to allow in terms of personal comments about candidates is
> also now over. Please review the published edictum on main list
> posting guidelines and make sure that you have not strayed into
> territory which will bring on moderation.
>
> Valete,
>
> Gn. Equit. Marinus
> Praetor
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia" <scriba_forum@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Marinus Praetor, Salvete Omnes:
>
> I write this not as an invitation now example to others to defy the Praetor's counsel.
>
> But I respectfully remind Marinus Praetor that a comitia law's definition of Contio, to wit, an invitation to Comitia members to convene to make their respective voices heard regarding proposed legislation or candidatures, does not override the documented constitutional rights of citizens to speak openly in public forums, only to be reasonably moderated in the interests of civility,danger to the republic et al.
>
> I for one have not said anything in this forum which can be reasonably construed as unlawful or a clear and anticipated danger to this republic...if the latter was a genuine worry, we should, with due respect, have jumped on hundreds of posts long ago.
>
> I can back up what I say with archives...I say nothing that I cannot back up with facts. I am sorry, but this position is protected by the constitution. I know you have a job to do, and I respect that, but I reserve my rights to freedom of speech, as do any latebloomers to commentary in this election. I have been working, and I have not had a lot of time to speak in the past few days. Knowing I am constitutionally entitled to do so, I will take advantage of my rights.
>
> In good faith and with respect Marine,
> Pompeia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > A reminder that the Contio has ended. Thus any slack I may have been
> > inclined to allow in terms of personal comments about candidates is
> > also now over. Please review the published edictum on main list
> > posting guidelines and make sure that you have not strayed into
> > territory which will bring on moderation.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Gn. Equit. Marinus
> > Praetor
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Venator,
> calling a woman a person does not make your remark less sexist. It is sexist
> because you would never allow yourself to use such tones when talking about
> a man.
>
> For me a friend is someone with whom I can discuss all my most personal
> matters, and whom I can trust. This is valid both for people I meet
> regularly, and for people I only ever corresponded with. There are lots of
> people I meet regularly and wouldn't qualify as "friends", as well as some I
> have never met and do qualify. And believe me, I'm very picky as to whom I
> befriend.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator" <famila.ulleria.venii@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Breaking my own rule...
>
>
> > Plauta...
> >
> > How is the phrase "...this person..." sexist?
> >
> > I have no use for this person who lives in a city within the eastern
> > coastal region of north America. (I gave my word to not reveal,
> > again, either this person's macro-national identity or specific
> > location, as I believe this person's apprehensions of having been
> > "cyber-stalked" and "stalked." I wish that no harm befall this
> > person.)
> >
> > You live in Pannonia.
> >
> > This person lives in America.
> >
> > You've never met, as far as I can tell.
> >
> > Real Friendship can not exist, thus, whatever fantasies modern life
> > may engender.
> >
> > ...........................................................................
> >
> > My fellow Nova Romans, please, take a reality check.
> >
> > I can be Friends only with those I have met, face to face...but, can
> > be friendly to many, who may become "friends unmet," and should we be
> > fortunate enough to meet, friends.., perhaps
> >
> > Are you likewise as facile to pretend friendship with those you have
> > not met in person???
> >
> > My parents taught me that I must show friendliness and courtesy to all.
> >
> > They also taught me that Friendship and Respect MUST be earned.
> >
> > I am at heart a joyous skeptic, and stoic...no one is perfect, no one
> > is complete, no one is fully worthy of my trust...save my mother,
> > father, brother, sisters and wife...not even myself.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Plauta, my fellow Romans...I am a reasoned, but sometimes unreasonable,
> > man.
> >
> > I can fully and gladly admit this.
> >
> > I look honestly at myself; flawed, incomplete, a work in progress...
> >
> > Can those of you who look at me critically say the same?
> >
> > Valete - Venator
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Livia,
>
> I'd actually have to disagree with you on the point of this being a "sexist
> aftertaste", I'm in full agreement with the good Poet.. I have found Maior's
> actions and her treatment of fellow cives to be incredibly beyond just usual
> rudeness, its downright mean...
>
> But I am also a full believer in the People have the right to vote for
> whomever they want, if they choose to vote for Marca Hortensia Maior, they
> have my full sympathy but it is their choice.. I'll be placing my own
> personal vote to the individuals who I believe will serve Nova Roma well not
> just their own personal agendas..
>
> Personally Livia, I wish you well in the upcoming Elections, despite what I
> have heard others say, I have found you to be reasonable and full of
> knowledge.
>
> Vale Bene,
> Aeternia
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:25 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salve Venator,
> > I'm sick and tired of these attacks against one of my best friends in NR.
> > Incidentally, one of the most truthful and independently thinking people I
> > know here, and whose only fault is the same as one of her best virtues,
> > spontaneity.
> >
> > What's more, this attack has a sexist aftertaste: I think none of you would
> >
> > allow themselves such tones when speaking about a man on this list.
> >
> > And to think that I estimated you, Venator, as a balanced man and a good
> > poet. Well, at least for the balanced part you've blown it.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Livia
> >
> >
> > > Salvete Cives Nova Romana;
> > >
> > > Marca Hortensia Maior...
> > >
> > > I have no confidence what so ever in either this person's awareness of
> > > truthfulness, evenness of temper, actual education or independence of
> > > thought.
> > >
> > > I think that this person is not a full person, and will not be of any
> > > use towards the goal of fulfilling a realized Nova Roma in any role
> > > whatsoever.
> > >
> > > ==========================
> > > mea sententia
> > > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> > > Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 12:11 AM, pompeia_minucia_tiberia <scriba_forum@...> wrote:

 

Salve Aeternia, Salvete Omnes;

I must agree with your appraisal below.

On another note Quirites:

How many realize that this young lady, when she was a teenager, was the foundress of one of NR's Sodalitates? She is the foundress of Sodalitas Musarum, a society whose structure is based on Apollo and the Muses, with our arts and science pursuits organized under their patronage? The society has been established since 2000.

Not too shabby for a kid under 20.........????

Pompeia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Livia,
>
> I'd actually have to disagree with you on the point of this being a "sexist
> aftertaste", I'm in full agreement with the good Poet.. I have found Maior's
> actions and her treatment of fellow cives to be incredibly beyond just usual
> rudeness, its downright mean...
>
> But I am also a full believer in the People have the right to vote for
> whomever they want, if they choose to vote for Marca Hortensia Maior, they
> have my full sympathy but it is their choice.. I'll be placing my own
> personal vote to the individuals who I believe will serve Nova Roma well not
> just their own personal agendas..
>
> Personally Livia, I wish you well in the upcoming Elections, despite what I
> have heard others say, I have found you to be reasonable and full of
> knowledge.
>
> Vale Bene,
> Aeternia
>

> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:25 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:

>
> >
> >
> > Salve Venator,
> > I'm sick and tired of these attacks against one of my best friends in NR.
> > Incidentally, one of the most truthful and independently thinking people I
> > know here, and whose only fault is the same as one of her best virtues,
> > spontaneity.
> >
> > What's more, this attack has a sexist aftertaste: I think none of you would
> >
> > allow themselves such tones when speaking about a man on this list.
> >
> > And to think that I estimated you, Venator, as a balanced man and a good
> > poet. Well, at least for the balanced part you've blown it.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Livia
> >
> >
> > > Salvete Cives Nova Romana;
> > >
> > > Marca Hortensia Maior...
> > >
> > > I have no confidence what so ever in either this person's awareness of
> > > truthfulness, evenness of temper, actual education or independence of
> > > thought.
> > >
> > > I think that this person is not a full person, and will not be of any
> > > use towards the goal of fulfilling a realized Nova Roma in any role
> > > whatsoever.
> > >
> > > ==========================
> > > mea sententia
> > > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> > > Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

 A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    Plauta, I hope you are enjoying your long-delayed immersion in Combined Sermo Latinus.  It’s good to see some Roman citizens in the Sermo courses; nearly all of the students therein are outsiders.  

    The matter below is an overarching one, which goes far beyond the behavior of any one person, citizen, magistrate, or candidate, and one we should address.  
 
   

Salvete omnes,

let's imagine the following situation.

In a kindergarden, the teacher asks some children to get some cardboard boxes to put toys into.
Next day, little Pete and Dave come with one cardboard boxe each. The boxes were collected at the street corner, where they were left for anyone to take. So the boxes were for free. Pete and Dave each took one, because they were asked to, but so could have done Ann and Emily, if they had been asked to.

For months and months the cardboard boxes are used to store toys. Most of the toys are the kindergarden's, but as time goes by more and more parents have their children bring in to the kindergarden their old toys and leave them there.

For more months and months and months the toys are used every day, then put back into the boxes, and nothing relevant happens.

Then one day little Pete takes the cardboard box he got to the kindergarden ages ago, brings it to the garbage can, and empties out all its content. Then he returns into the kindergarden with a triumphant look on his face.

The other children are upset. The teacher asks: "Pete, why did you do it?". Little Pete smiles and answers: "Because the box was mine! Mine! MINE!"

- "But the toys inside it were everybody's".

-"But the box was mine! Not the kindergarden's! It was never taken into inventory. The kindergarden never even asked me to hand it over! So it was mine, mine, MINE! And I had the right to do anything I wanted with its contents".

    ATS:  And this is just exactly the problem when certain people think that ownership (so-called) of a Yahoo list gives them the right to do anything they want with it, even when said list or lists are regularly handed over to someone else who holds an office connected with the purpose of the list in question.  In such cases, the so-called owners are in fact stewards, charged with caring for the list and given certain privileges for a set period of time in order to do just that.  Deleting the lists, as happened a while ago with one of the RR lists (the cognoscenti know which one, though ownership of this one was not handed over regularly) or the archives of another list (whose ownership was handed over annually) are not activities which fall under the purview of that stewardship.  That sort of thing is an abuse of ownership power, and to be deplored.  

    Maybe little Pete is the sort who thinks that he can shoot his gun at anyone or anything anytime he likes...it’s his, after all.  Give this kid a few years...he might even get a rap sheet.  

    

If you were the teacher, what would you say, and what would you do?

    ATS:  That depends in part on the policies of the school, and the region in which it is located.  Here these matters are locally determined.  If it were up to me, Pete would be in for some serious trouble.  Rescuing the toys if at all possible would seem to be a good move, too.  

And what if you were little Pete's parent?

    ATS:  Some parents might praise little Pete, and others might ignore this sort of conduct.  Kindergarten is a bit young to know the difference between right and wrong, but he would surely get some instruction on that, with specifics...and punishment...from anyone who is sensible.  

Optime valete,
Livia

Vale, et valete.  

>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> The two situations were not similar at all, and you do Cincinnatus Augur a serious and grave disservice by misrepresenting the case.  
>
> I repeat: the "Novaromatribunalis List" is not, has not ever been any kind of official List, and therefore is not subject in any way to the desires of any magistrate or entity of Nova Roma - nor has any entity or magistrate of Nova Roma ever asked it to be.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

 
   

    
 
  Reply to sender <mailto:livia.plauta@...?subject=Re: On Lists, fides and Nova Roma>  

----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: On Lists, fides and Nova Roma


>
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
> Plauta, I hope you are enjoying your long-delayed immersion in
> Combined
> Sermo Latinus. It¹s good to see some Roman citizens in the Sermo courses;
> nearly all of the students therein are outsiders.
>
> The matter below is an overarching one, which goes far beyond the
> behavior
> of any one person, citizen, magistrate, or candidate, and one we should
> address.
>
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> let's imagine the following situation.
>
> In a kindergarden, the teacher asks some children to get some cardboard
> boxes
> to put toys into.
> Next day, little Pete and Dave come with one cardboard boxe each. The
> boxes
> were collected at the street corner, where they were left for anyone to
> take.
> So the boxes were for free. Pete and Dave each took one, because they were
> asked to, but so could have done Ann and Emily, if they had been asked to.
>
> For months and months the cardboard boxes are used to store toys. Most of
> the
> toys are the kindergarden's, but as time goes by more and more parents
> have
> their children bring in to the kindergarden their old toys and leave them
> there.
>
> For more months and months and months the toys are used every day, then
> put
> back into the boxes, and nothing relevant happens.
>
> Then one day little Pete takes the cardboard box he got to the
> kindergarden
> ages ago, brings it to the garbage can, and empties out all its content.
> Then
> he returns into the kindergarden with a triumphant look on his face.
>
> The other children are upset. The teacher asks: "Pete, why did you do
> it?".
> Little Pete smiles and answers: "Because the box was mine! Mine! MINE!"
>
> - "But the toys inside it were everybody's".
>
> -"But the box was mine! Not the kindergarden's! It was never taken into
> inventory. The kindergarden never even asked me to hand it over! So it was
> mine, mine, MINE! And I had the right to do anything I wanted with its
> contents".
>
> ATS: And this is just exactly the problem when certain people think
> that
> ownership (so-called) of a Yahoo list gives them the right to do anything
> they
> want with it, even when said list or lists are regularly handed over to
> someone else who holds an office connected with the purpose of the list in
> question. In such cases, the so-called owners are in fact stewards,
> charged
> with caring for the list and given certain privileges for a set period of
> time
> in order to do just that. Deleting the lists, as happened a while ago
> with
> one of the RR lists (the cognoscenti know which one, though ownership of
> this
> one was not handed over regularly) or the archives of another list (whose
> ownership was handed over annually) are not activities which fall under
> the
> purview of that stewardship. That sort of thing is an abuse of ownership
> power, and to be deplored.
>
> Maybe little Pete is the sort who thinks that he can shoot his gun at
> anyone or anything anytime he likes...it¹s his, after all. Give this kid
> a
> few years...he might even get a rap sheet.


>
> If you were the teacher, what would you say, and what would you do?
>
> ATS: That depends in part on the policies of the school, and the
> region
> in which it is located. Here these matters are locally determined. If it
> were up to me, Pete would be in for some serious trouble. Rescuing the
> toys
> if at all possible would seem to be a good move, too.
>
> And what if you were little Pete's parent?
>
> ATS: Some parents might praise little Pete, and others might ignore
> this
> sort of conduct. Kindergarten is a bit young to know the difference
> between
> right and wrong, but he would surely get some instruction on that, with
> specifics...and punishment...from anyone who is sensible.
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>> >
>> > Cato Maiori sal.
>> >
>> > The two situations were not similar at all, and you do Cincinnatus
>> > Augur a
>> serious and grave disservice by misrepresenting the case.
>> >
>> > I repeat: the "Novaromatribunalis List" is not, has not ever been any
>> > kind
>> of official List, and therefore is not subject in any way to the desires
>> of
>> any magistrate or entity of Nova Roma - nor has any entity or magistrate
>> of
>> Nova Roma ever asked it to be.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> >
>> > Cato
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Reply to sender <mailto:livia.plauta@...?subject=Re: On Lists,
> fides
> and Nova Roma>

----- Original Message -----
From: "pompeia_minucia_tiberia" <scriba_forum@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:40 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Breaking my own rule...


Hmmmm

OK...so from now on....no more 'sexist' references to a woman being a
*person*. Women are NOT people, ok?

Livia, you're funnier than Sister Mary Martha...ever see her? Well, this
might not be for you...Just speculation but I don't think you'd personally
appreciate her....you'd need a sense of humour.

:>) Pompeia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve Venator,
> calling a woman a person does not make your remark less sexist. It is
> sexist
> because you would never allow yourself to use such tones when talking
> about
> a man.
>
> For me a friend is someone with whom I can discuss all my most personal
> matters, and whom I can trust. This is valid both for people I meet
> regularly, and for people I only ever corresponded with. There are lots
> of
> people I meet regularly and wouldn't qualify as "friends", as well as some
> I
> have never met and do qualify. And believe me, I'm very picky as to whom I
> befriend.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator" <famila.ulleria.venii@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Breaking my own rule...
>
>
> > Plauta...
> >
> > How is the phrase "...this person..." sexist?
> >
> > I have no use for this person who lives in a city within the eastern
> > coastal region of north America. (I gave my word to not reveal,
> > again, either this person's macro-national identity or specific
> > location, as I believe this person's apprehensions of having been
> > "cyber-stalked" and "stalked." I wish that no harm befall this
> > person.)
> >
> > You live in Pannonia.
> >
> > This person lives in America.
> >
> > You've never met, as far as I can tell.
> >
> > Real Friendship can not exist, thus, whatever fantasies modern life
> > may engender.
> >
> > ...........................................................................
> >
> > My fellow Nova Romans, please, take a reality check.
> >
> > I can be Friends only with those I have met, face to face...but, can
> > be friendly to many, who may become "friends unmet," and should we be
> > fortunate enough to meet, friends.., perhaps
> >
> > Are you likewise as facile to pretend friendship with those you have
> > not met in person???
> >
> > My parents taught me that I must show friendliness and courtesy to all.
> >
> > They also taught me that Friendship and Respect MUST be earned.
> >
> > I am at heart a joyous skeptic, and stoic...no one is perfect, no one
> > is complete, no one is fully worthy of my trust...save my mother,
> > father, brother, sisters and wife...not even myself.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Plauta, my fellow Romans...I am a reasoned, but sometimes unreasonable,
> > man.
> >
> > I can fully and gladly admit this.
> >
> > I look honestly at myself; flawed, incomplete, a work in progress...
> >
> > Can those of you who look at me critically say the same?
> >
> > Valete - Venator
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Pompeia, don't pretend you misunderstood me. I said that referring to a
> woman as a person isn't enough to make a remark less sexist, not that women
> are not people.
>
> I don't know who Sister Mary Martha is, as I don't live within the US
> cultural sphere, and I don't think I'm missing much. Unless she is as funny
> as Sasha Baron Cohen, that is ...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pompeia_minucia_tiberia" <scriba_forum@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:40 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Breaking my own rule...
>
>
> Hmmmm
>
> OK...so from now on....no more 'sexist' references to a woman being a
> *person*. Women are NOT people, ok?
>
> Livia, you're funnier than Sister Mary Martha...ever see her? Well, this
> might not be for you...Just speculation but I don't think you'd personally
> appreciate her....you'd need a sense of humour.
>
> :>) Pompeia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Venator,
> > calling a woman a person does not make your remark less sexist. It is
> > sexist
> > because you would never allow yourself to use such tones when talking
> > about
> > a man.
> >
> > For me a friend is someone with whom I can discuss all my most personal
> > matters, and whom I can trust. This is valid both for people I meet
> > regularly, and for people I only ever corresponded with. There are lots
> > of
> > people I meet regularly and wouldn't qualify as "friends", as well as some
> > I
> > have never met and do qualify. And believe me, I'm very picky as to whom I
> > befriend.
> >
> > Optime vale,
> > Livia
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator" <famila.ulleria.venii@>
> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Breaking my own rule...
> >
> >
> > > Plauta...
> > >
> > > How is the phrase "...this person..." sexist?
> > >
> > > I have no use for this person who lives in a city within the eastern
> > > coastal region of north America. (I gave my word to not reveal,
> > > again, either this person's macro-national identity or specific
> > > location, as I believe this person's apprehensions of having been
> > > "cyber-stalked" and "stalked." I wish that no harm befall this
> > > person.)
> > >
> > > You live in Pannonia.
> > >
> > > This person lives in America.
> > >
> > > You've never met, as far as I can tell.
> > >
> > > Real Friendship can not exist, thus, whatever fantasies modern life
> > > may engender.
> > >
> > > ...........................................................................
> > >
> > > My fellow Nova Romans, please, take a reality check.
> > >
> > > I can be Friends only with those I have met, face to face...but, can
> > > be friendly to many, who may become "friends unmet," and should we be
> > > fortunate enough to meet, friends.., perhaps
> > >
> > > Are you likewise as facile to pretend friendship with those you have
> > > not met in person???
> > >
> > > My parents taught me that I must show friendliness and courtesy to all.
> > >
> > > They also taught me that Friendship and Respect MUST be earned.
> > >
> > > I am at heart a joyous skeptic, and stoic...no one is perfect, no one
> > > is complete, no one is fully worthy of my trust...save my mother,
> > > father, brother, sisters and wife...not even myself.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Plauta, my fellow Romans...I am a reasoned, but sometimes unreasonable,
> > > man.
> > >
> > > I can fully and gladly admit this.
> > >
> > > I look honestly at myself; flawed, incomplete, a work in progress...
> > >
> > > Can those of you who look at me critically say the same?
> > >
> > > Valete - Venator
> > >
> >
>

> So, I am also hoping I have the option of voting Nemo on all ballots
> if my doubts over come my confidence towards other candidates.

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus wrote:
>
> We use approval voting in Nova Roma. That means you can place a mark
> next to the names of as many candidates as you approve of holding a
> given office, whether that is one, two, all, or none. A ballot with
> no names checked will still be sent to the diribitores for tabulation
> and registered as a valid vote in the appropriate tribe and century.
>
> That said, "Nemo" does not explicitly appear on a ballot.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

Thank you, been awhile since I've seen one of our ballots and your
explanation satisfies my query. I should have recalled this, having
counted so many ,-)

Your words are also, clear, succinct and some of the best I've seen to
explain our system.

Ah well, the mind becomes cluttered and recall is not so swift as it once was...

Vale - Venator

>
> Thanks, I'm enjoying the course, and starting to panic, because it seems
> we'll soon have a visit by Avitus in Budapest.
>
> I was starting to wonder why I got no response to the post you quote below.
> Was not the metaphor clear enough?
>
> And as you say, the matter is an overarching one, a similar problem being
> what prompted Cincinnatus' trial, which in turn led to so many people
> swearing revenge, by any possible means.
> The problem is that in NR we don't really have the tools to deal with
> kindergarden behaviour, probably because nobody could foresee that it would
> become so typical and recurring.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: On Lists, fides and Nova Roma
>
>
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> > S.P.D.
> >
> > Plauta, I hope you are enjoying your long-delayed immersion in
> > Combined
> > Sermo Latinus. It¹s good to see some Roman citizens in the Sermo courses;
> > nearly all of the students therein are outsiders.
> >
> > The matter below is an overarching one, which goes far beyond the
> > behavior
> > of any one person, citizen, magistrate, or candidate, and one we should
> > address.
> >
> >
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > let's imagine the following situation.
> >
> > In a kindergarden, the teacher asks some children to get some cardboard
> > boxes
> > to put toys into.
> > Next day, little Pete and Dave come with one cardboard boxe each. The
> > boxes
> > were collected at the street corner, where they were left for anyone to
> > take.
> > So the boxes were for free. Pete and Dave each took one, because they were
> > asked to, but so could have done Ann and Emily, if they had been asked to.
> >
> > For months and months the cardboard boxes are used to store toys. Most of
> > the
> > toys are the kindergarden's, but as time goes by more and more parents
> > have
> > their children bring in to the kindergarden their old toys and leave them
> > there.
> >
> > For more months and months and months the toys are used every day, then
> > put
> > back into the boxes, and nothing relevant happens.
> >
> > Then one day little Pete takes the cardboard box he got to the
> > kindergarden
> > ages ago, brings it to the garbage can, and empties out all its content.
> > Then
> > he returns into the kindergarden with a triumphant look on his face.
> >
> > The other children are upset. The teacher asks: "Pete, why did you do
> > it?".
> > Little Pete smiles and answers: "Because the box was mine! Mine! MINE!"
> >
> > - "But the toys inside it were everybody's".
> >
> > -"But the box was mine! Not the kindergarden's! It was never taken into
> > inventory. The kindergarden never even asked me to hand it over! So it was
> > mine, mine, MINE! And I had the right to do anything I wanted with its
> > contents".
> >
> > ATS: And this is just exactly the problem when certain people think
> > that
> > ownership (so-called) of a Yahoo list gives them the right to do anything
> > they
> > want with it, even when said list or lists are regularly handed over to
> > someone else who holds an office connected with the purpose of the list in
> > question. In such cases, the so-called owners are in fact stewards,
> > charged
> > with caring for the list and given certain privileges for a set period of
> > time
> > in order to do just that. Deleting the lists, as happened a while ago
> > with
> > one of the RR lists (the cognoscenti know which one, though ownership of
> > this
> > one was not handed over regularly) or the archives of another list (whose
> > ownership was handed over annually) are not activities which fall under
> > the
> > purview of that stewardship. That sort of thing is an abuse of ownership
> > power, and to be deplored.
> >
> > Maybe little Pete is the sort who thinks that he can shoot his gun at
> > anyone or anything anytime he likes...it¹s his, after all. Give this kid
> > a
> > few years...he might even get a rap sheet.
>
>
> >
> > If you were the teacher, what would you say, and what would you do?
> >
> > ATS: That depends in part on the policies of the school, and the
> > region
> > in which it is located. Here these matters are locally determined. If it
> > were up to me, Pete would be in for some serious trouble. Rescuing the
> > toys
> > if at all possible would seem to be a good move, too.
> >
> > And what if you were little Pete's parent?
> >
> > ATS: Some parents might praise little Pete, and others might ignore
> > this
> > sort of conduct. Kindergarten is a bit young to know the difference
> > between
> > right and wrong, but he would surely get some instruction on that, with
> > specifics...and punishment...from anyone who is sensible.
> >
> > Optime valete,
> > Livia
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >> >
> >> > Cato Maiori sal.
> >> >
> >> > The two situations were not similar at all, and you do Cincinnatus
> >> > Augur a
> >> serious and grave disservice by misrepresenting the case.
> >> >
> >> > I repeat: the "Novaromatribunalis List" is not, has not ever been any
> >> > kind
> >> of official List, and therefore is not subject in any way to the desires
> >> of
> >> any magistrate or entity of Nova Roma - nor has any entity or magistrate
> >> of
> >> Nova Roma ever asked it to be.
> >> >
> >> > Vale,
> >> >
> >> > Cato
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Reply to sender <mailto:livia.plauta@...?subject=Re: On Lists,
> > fides
> > and Nova Roma>
>

> Salvete omnes,
>
> Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> writes:
>
>> So, I am also hoping I have the option of voting Nemo on all ballots
>> if my doubts over come my confidence towards other candidates.
>
> We use approval voting in Nova Roma.  That means you can place a mark
> next to the names of as many candidates as you approve of holding a
> given office, whether that is one, two, all, or none.  A ballot with
> no names checked will still be sent to the diribitores for tabulation
> and registered as a valid vote in the appropriate tribe and century.
>
> That said, "Nemo" does not explicitly appear on a ballot.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

 A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 
   

L. Livia Plauta A. Tulliae Scholasticae omnibusque S.P.D.

Thanks, I'm enjoying the course, and starting to panic, because it seems
we'll soon have a visit by Avitus in Budapest.

    ATS:  Panic?  No need for that.  Reportedly he is quite merciful in his Latin-speaking groups.  Test corrections are another matter (and two of your fellow students have already submitted the first test).  When is he visiting, and why?  Is there some convention there?  

I was starting to wonder why I got no response to the post you quote below.

    ATS:  I had to correct two sets of GL II homework back to back so the students could study them for their midterm, which I am currently writing, plus I have been working with Avitus to get the materials on your class site.  We also had to hash out the rules for the assignment and test submissions; I prefer a shorter time allocation for the assignments at least (they were tests when Cordus, Astur, and I took the course; subsequent students got off easily).   In addition, we have been blessed with a string of lovely sunny days after weeks of near-constant rain, so by day the delayed housework has to be done, and by night the backlogged schoolwork follows, so I haven’t had much opportunity to comment on serious government matters.  

Was not the metaphor clear enough?

    ATS:  It was clear to me.  

And as you say, the matter is an overarching one, a similar problem being
what prompted Cincinnatus' trial, which in turn led to so many people
swearing revenge, by any possible means.

    ATS:  Yes, indeed.  

The problem is that in NR we don't really have the tools  to deal with
kindergarden behaviour, probably because nobody could foresee that it would
become so typical and recurring.

    ATS:   LOL!  Unfortunately, too, many did not foresee the results of preliterate childhood exposure to what has aptly been called the plug-in drug.  Emotional maturity levels do seem to be less than they were when I was in school, back in the pre-Cambrian period.  

Optime vale,
Livia

Optime vale et valete.  



----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@... <mailto:fororom%40localnet.com> >
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: On Lists, fides and Nova Roma

>
>  A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
>     Plauta, I hope you are enjoying your long-delayed immersion in
> Combined
> Sermo Latinus.  It’s good to see some Roman citizens in the Sermo courses;
> nearly all of the students therein are outsiders.
>
>     The matter below is an overarching one, which goes far beyond the
> behavior
> of any one person, citizen, magistrate, or candidate, and one we should
> address.
>
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> let's imagine the following situation.
>
> In a kindergarden, the teacher asks some children to get some cardboard
> boxes
> to put toys into.
> Next day, little Pete and Dave come with one cardboard boxe each. The
> boxes
> were collected at the street corner, where they were left for anyone to
> take.
> So the boxes were for free. Pete and Dave each took one, because they were
> asked to, but so could have done Ann and Emily, if they had been asked to.
>
> For months and months the cardboard boxes are used to store toys. Most of
> the
> toys are the kindergarden's, but as time goes by more and more parents
> have
> their children bring in to the kindergarden their old toys and leave them
> there.
>
> For more months and months and months the toys are used every day, then
> put
> back into the boxes, and nothing relevant happens.
>
> Then one day little Pete takes the cardboard box he got to the
> kindergarden
> ages ago, brings it to the garbage can, and empties out all its content.
> Then
> he returns into the kindergarden with a triumphant look on his face.
>
> The other children are upset. The teacher asks: "Pete, why did you do
> it?".
> Little Pete smiles and answers: "Because the box was mine! Mine! MINE!"
>
> - "But the toys inside it were everybody's".
>
> -"But the box was mine! Not the kindergarden's! It was never taken into
> inventory. The kindergarden never even asked me to hand it over! So it was
> mine, mine, MINE! And I had the right to do anything I wanted with its
> contents".
>
>     ATS:  And this is just exactly the problem when certain people think
> that
> ownership (so-called) of a Yahoo list gives them the right to do anything
> they
> want with it, even when said list or lists are regularly handed over to
> someone else who holds an office connected with the purpose of the list in
> question.  In such cases, the so-called owners are in fact stewards,
> charged
> with caring for the list and given certain privileges for a set period of
> time
> in order to do just that.  Deleting the lists, as happened a while ago
> with
> one of the RR lists (the cognoscenti know which one, though ownership of
> this
> one was not handed over regularly) or the archives of another list (whose
> ownership was handed over annually) are not activities which fall under
> the
> purview of that stewardship.  That sort of thing is an abuse of ownership
> power, and to be deplored.
>
>     Maybe little Pete is the sort who thinks that he can shoot his gun at
> anyone or anything anytime he likes...it’s his, after all.  Give this kid
> a
> few years...he might even get a rap sheet.

>
> If you were the teacher, what would you say, and what would you do?
>
>     ATS:  That depends in part on the policies of the school, and the
> region
> in which it is located.  Here these matters are locally determined.  If it
> were up to me, Pete would be in for some serious trouble.  Rescuing the
> toys
> if at all possible would seem to be a good move, too.
>
> And what if you were little Pete's parent?
>
>     ATS:  Some parents might praise little Pete, and others might ignore
> this
> sort of conduct.  Kindergarten is a bit young to know the difference
> between
> right and wrong, but he would surely get some instruction on that, with
> specifics...and punishment...from anyone who is sensible.
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>> >
>> > Cato Maiori sal.
>> >
>> > The two situations were not similar at all, and you do Cincinnatus
>> > Augur a
>> serious and grave disservice by misrepresenting the case.
>> >
>> > I repeat: the "Novaromatribunalis List" is not, has not ever been any
>> > kind
>> of official List, and therefore is not subject in any way to the desires
>> of
>> any magistrate or entity of Nova Roma - nor has any entity or magistrate
>> of
>> Nova Roma ever asked it to be.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> >
>> > Cato
>> >
>
>
>

> Will there be a selection for Write In candidates?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> A reminder that the Cista will open at 0700 Central European Time for
> voting by all centuries and tribes in all three comitiae. That is
> approximately 1 hour and 45 minutes from the posting time of this
> message.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 4:15 AM, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:

Salvete Quirites,

A reminder that the Cista will open at 0700 Central European Time for
voting by all centuries and tribes in all three comitiae. 

I'm confused. i thought the Centuria Praerogativa always voted first. I don't recall it being announced. Did I miss it, or have voting procedures changed?

Flavia Lucilla Merula

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> The Centuria Praerogativa is XI.
>
> Valete,
>
> Gualterus Graecus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete Quirites,
> >
> > A reminder that the Cista will open at 0700 Central European Time for
> > voting by all centuries and tribes in all three comitiae. That is
> > approximately 1 hour and 45 minutes from the posting time of this
> > message.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> Omnibus s.d.
>
> Apparently, our diribitors faced a few problems on the designation of the centuria prerogativa.
>
> Thanks to Dir. Gualterus for having reacted for all of them!
>
> The centuria praerogativa is therefore the XI.
>
> Now that we know which it is, what my colleague pr. Marinus did not yet when he posted his message so that the vote process be not disturbed, the voting process may work normally:
>
> 1/ from today Sunday 07:00 **Rome** time to next Tuesday Nov. 17 at 07:00 (dead line), *ONLY* the members of century XI, this is to say:
> - M. Iulius Severus cos.
> - M. Octavius Gracchus (has Gracchus not have resigned his citizenship? To be checked pls)
> - Q. Suetonius Paulinus
> - C. Curius Saturninus
>
> may vote.
>
> 2/ After 07:00 next Tu. 17, and til Fr. 20 07:00 Rome time dead line, the rest of 1st class centuries vote, *only* them.
>
> 3/ After 7 next Fr. 20, all remaining centuries vote, til Tu 24 17h Rome time.
>
> Valete omnes,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> pr., cand. consul
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > The Centuria Praerogativa is XI.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Gualterus Graecus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvete Quirites,
> > >
> > > A reminder that the Cista will open at 0700 Central European Time for
> > > voting by all centuries and tribes in all three comitiae. That is
> > > approximately 1 hour and 45 minutes from the posting time of this
> > > message.
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
> > >
> >
>

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:51 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

I too am confused.  I had thought we had changed the way we do voting, but trying to find legislation in the tabularium is an endeavor in frustration

On the Yahoo group website there's a file called 'Election Handbook'. I believe this is what Gnaeus Equitus Marinus was referring to.  It doesn't actually state the law but it does state "For several years elections in the Comitia Centuriata required sequential voting, but this practice was rescinded during the Consular year of Complutensis and Severus. Now all centuries are permitted to vote at the same time."

Flavia Lucilla Merula

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia" <scriba_forum@...> wrote:
>
> Good morning Albucius Praetor et Omnes:
>
> I am a bit confused myself. I have to go back and review the particulars (I can't at present), but I thought we did away with the sequential voting earlier in the year and adopted more or less sequential *counting* of votes..this due to the confusion of citizens constantly voting out of turn.
>
> I suspect that is why Marinus Praetor, who has an eye for detail, didn't mention it.
>
> If this is incorrect I apologize Albuci in advance. I am not in a position to cross check the language of the legislation at the moment. Could this be clarified S.V.P.?
>
> Respectfully, valete
> Pompeia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> >
> > Omnibus s.d.
> >
> > Apparently, our diribitors faced a few problems on the designation of the centuria prerogativa.
> >
> > Thanks to Dir. Gualterus for having reacted for all of them!
> >
> > The centuria praerogativa is therefore the XI.
> >
> > Now that we know which it is, what my colleague pr. Marinus did not yet when he posted his message so that the vote process be not disturbed, the voting process may work normally:
> >
> > 1/ from today Sunday 07:00 **Rome** time to next Tuesday Nov. 17 at 07:00 (dead line), *ONLY* the members of century XI, this is to say:
> > - M. Iulius Severus cos.
> > - M. Octavius Gracchus (has Gracchus not have resigned his citizenship? To be checked pls)
> > - Q. Suetonius Paulinus
> > - C. Curius Saturninus
> >
> > may vote.
> >
> > 2/ After 07:00 next Tu. 17, and til Fr. 20 07:00 Rome time dead line, the rest of 1st class centuries vote, *only* them.
> >
> > 3/ After 7 next Fr. 20, all remaining centuries vote, til Tu 24 17h Rome time.
> >
> > Valete omnes,
> >
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius
> > pr., cand. consul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvete,
> > >
> > > The Centuria Praerogativa is XI.
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > Gualterus Graecus
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salvete Quirites,
> > > >
> > > > A reminder that the Cista will open at 0700 Central European Time for
> > > > voting by all centuries and tribes in all three comitiae. That is
> > > > approximately 1 hour and 45 minutes from the posting time of this
> > > > message.
> > > >
> > > > Valete,
> > > >
> > > > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

> SALVE ET SALVETE!
>  
> I understand different:
>  
> On 5th of June this year, approval of “Rogatio Curiatia Iulia de
> ratione comitorium centuriatorum” was announced:
>  
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/66364
>  
> Therefore it is in force:
> ------------------------
> The Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum 5.B is hereby
> amended as follows:
> 5.B: In the case of magisterial elections, the voting period shall
> last no fewer than 192 hours (8 days), with all centuries casting
> their votes concurrently. Reports of the voting results shall be
> announced sequentially.
> 1. The Diribitores shall select by lot one century from among the
> first class centuries to serve as the Centuria Praerogativa. No
> century containing only one member shall be selected for this purpose.
> 2.Within forty-eight (48) hours after the beginning of the voting
> period, the Diribitores shall tally the votes of all those who have
> cast votes thus far in the Centuria Praerogativa, and shall announce
> those results no later than 48 hours after the beginning of the
> voting period.
> 3. Ninety-six (96) hours after the beginning of the voting period,
> the Diribitores shall tally the votes of all those who have voted
> thus far, and shall announce the results of only the first class
> centuries no later than 120 hours after the beginning of the voting
> period.
> 4. All voting shall cease after no less than 192 hours (8 days) have
> past and no more than 216 hours (9 days) have past after the
> beginning of the voting period. The Diribitores shall then tally all
> votes cast and within 48 hours later report the results solely to
> the presiding magistrate and to his or her colleague as per 3.F.
> -----------------------------
>  
> In conformity with it, elections function this way:
> - all centuries cast their votes concurrently.
> - voting results are announced sequentially.
>  
> Normally, the things must work this way:
>  
> -07:00 hrs CET 15 November: Voting by all centuries begins.
> -07:00 hrs CET 17 November: Diribitores capture tally of Centuria
> Praerogativa.
> -07:00 hrs CET 20 November: Diribitores capture tally of all First
> Class centuries.
> -17:00 hrs CET 24 November: All voting ends.
>  
> Am I wrong? I guess not.
>  
> VALE ET VALETE,
> T. Iulius Sabinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

> Yes, I corrected my own post,>>>

I saw you corrected with the message 72055, but I'm curious who deleted your message 72054?

VALE,
TIS




as well as the page in the tabularium :)
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

> SALVE!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I corrected my own post,>>>
>
> I saw you corrected with the message 72055, but I'm curious who
> deleted your message 72054?

----- Original Message -----

From: C.Maria Caeca

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 5:02 PM

Subject: [Nova-Roma] game time!

 

Salvete omnes,

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a tie! Both (only 2 so far) have perfect
scores! OK, here's the next entry, and the respondents are so good that I'm
going to have to see how tricky I can get, it seems! (not to worry, not
very, LOL)

The word for today is nautical. I'm looking for a noun (easier than verbs,
I'll admit) and here's what I'd like to see.

1. Latin noun and gender, written as usual in texts with nominative
singular and genitive singular.

2. Declension, all cases, both singular *and* plural.
3. Vocative, singular and plural.

Now, since I like to work with 10 point scales ...I'm not great at math
...each part will have 3 points, and an extra point thrown in, because I
appreciate anyone who takes the time to play.

Good luck,
Vale Optime,
C. Maria Caeca

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> Could someone please give us definitive information?

> Secondly, has the praesidium been selected,

> and did more than one
> diribitor participate in selecting the praerogativa?

> Thirdly, have the voter codes changed again? And the century
> assignments?

> Praetor, have any nova Roman officers been contacted by any
> attorneys advising them that lawsuits have been filed against this
> organization?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> writes:
>
> > Praetor, have any nova Roman officers been contacted by any
> > attorneys advising them that lawsuits have been filed against this
> > organization?
>
> Earlier this year there was a threat to bring suit by another senator,
> but not by either of the senators named in Regulus' message.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> writes:
>
> > Praetor, have any nova Roman officers been contacted by any
> > attorneys advising them that lawsuits have been filed against this
> > organization?
>
> Earlier this year there was a threat to bring suit by another senator,
> but not by either of the senators named in Regulus' message.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "asempronius.regulus" <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:
>
> Valete omnes,
>
> That leads me to conclude one or both of two things, my former friend. One is you are too naive about pending issues or you are covering up.
>
> I hereby resign any and all involvement in Nova Roma. I renounce any and all 90 day re-instatement clause. Nova Roma is going down the tubes and taking citizens money to defend itself against the cancer with it. I work and live in terms of grants. I learned the hard way that Nova Roma as an educational non-profit is of rapidly declining reputation and that Cato is draining funds because he seeks to sue. Nova Roma may survive as an online list. I use the word "list" in the singular because even online there were several thriving lists in the past.
>
> Meanwhile, Cato, Sulla, and friends are busy undermining Nova Roma outside of Nova Roma. For example, a major international list, mostly academic and international (many if not most of the world's Ph.Ds in late antiquity philosophy and religion who would have been supportive of Nova Roma objectives and in support of NR-academic partnerships have the unfortunate fortune of two former Julian Society members airing Nova Roma's dirty laundry. One is Jesse Carradino who claims new citizenship in Nova Roma, then withdrew to the Back Alley, yet claims being a founding member of the Julian Society under a Yahoo ID as Robert?? that founded Nova Roma. What is that?? What is this Julian Society that is labelled as semi-Italian Fascist -- big on Julius Evola -- and supposed to be the parent of Nova Roma?? Whether the accusation or association is true, it creates a perception. That is what is happening outside NR). Get a grip and stop taking money as an organization until the thieves within consume it all. My latest info is Cato has filed or threatened to file a suit.
>
> While some here seek to reassure me that they can stabilize the decline, due to Cato, Sulla, and their ilk, WITHIN Nova Roma, Nova Roma is quickly losing OUTSIDE. My professional experience still stands. No one wants to associate with Nova Roma even if they do not have to put up any funds.
>
> Again, and I warn graduate students about whether or not their association with NR effects the perception (unfair or not) of their future (we, of course, are excluding in this Graecus who has been a permanent graduate student since 2001 -- give a chimp enough time he may write Shakespeare, a Gibbon enough time, the Rise and Fall of Nova Roma).
>
> This is my last post. I am out. I am gone. I resign.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@> writes:
> >
> > > Praetor, have any nova Roman officers been contacted by any
> > > attorneys advising them that lawsuits have been filed against this
> > > organization?
> >
> > Earlier this year there was a threat to bring suit by another senator,
> > but not by either of the senators named in Regulus' message.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
> >
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@> writes:
> >
> > > Praetor, have any nova Roman officers been contacted by any
> > > attorneys advising them that lawsuits have been filed against this
> > > organization?
> >
> > Earlier this year there was a threat to bring suit by another senator,
> > but not by either of the senators named in Regulus' message.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
> >
>

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:52 PM, asempronius.regulus <asempronius.regulus@...> wrote:

 

Valete omnes,

That leads me to conclude one or both of two things, my former friend. One is you are too naive about pending issues or you are covering up.

I hereby resign any and all involvement in Nova Roma. I renounce any and all 90 day re-instatement clause. Nova Roma is going down the tubes and taking citizens money to defend itself against the cancer with it. I work and live in terms of grants. I learned the hard way that Nova Roma as an educational non-profit is of rapidly declining reputation and that Cato is draining funds because he seeks to sue. Nova Roma may survive as an online list. I use the word "list" in the singular because even online there were several thriving lists in the past.

Meanwhile, Cato, Sulla, and friends are busy undermining Nova Roma outside of Nova Roma. For example, a major international list, mostly academic and international (many if not most of the world's Ph.Ds in late antiquity philosophy and religion who would have been supportive of Nova Roma objectives and in support of NR-academic partnerships have the unfortunate fortune of two former Julian Society members airing Nova Roma's dirty laundry. One is Jesse Carradino who claims new citizenship in Nova Roma, then withdrew to the Back Alley, yet claims being a founding member of the Julian Society under a Yahoo ID as Robert?? that founded Nova Roma. What is that?? What is this Julian Society that is labelled as semi-Italian Fascist -- big on Julius Evola -- and supposed to be the parent of Nova Roma?? Whether the accusation or association is true, it creates a perception. That is what is happening outside NR). Get a grip and stop taking money as an organization until the thieves within consume it all. My latest info is Cato has filed or threatened to file a suit.

While some here seek to reassure me that they can stabilize the decline, due to Cato, Sulla, and their ilk, WITHIN Nova Roma, Nova Roma is quickly losing OUTSIDE. My professional experience still stands. No one wants to associate with Nova Roma even if they do not have to put up any funds.

Again, and I warn graduate students about whether or not their association with NR effects the perception (unfair or not) of their future (we, of course, are excluding in this Graecus who has been a permanent graduate student since 2001 -- give a chimp enough time he may write Shakespeare, a Gibbon enough time, the Rise and Fall of Nova Roma).

This is my last post. I am out. I am gone. I resign.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>

> "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> writes:
>
> > Praetor, have any nova Roman officers been contacted by any
> > attorneys advising them that lawsuits have been filed against this
> > organization?
>
> Earlier this year there was a threat to bring suit by another senator,
> but not by either of the senators named in Regulus' message.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>

> "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> writes:
>
> > Praetor, have any nova Roman officers been contacted by any
> > attorneys advising them that lawsuits have been filed against this
> > organization?
>
> Earlier this year there was a threat to bring suit by another senator,
> but not by either of the senators named in Regulus' message.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

 A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Equitio Marino quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 
   

Salve Aula Tullia,

"A. Tullia Scholastica" <flavia@... <mailto:flavia%40localnet.com> > writes:

> Could someone please give us definitive information?

I will provide whatever definitive information I have, given that I am  
not the presiding magistrate of any of the elections.  But I am  
cognizant of the laws, and I've been following the process of getting  
the Cista ready.

    ATS: Thank you.  

>     Secondly, has the praesidium been selected,

I have not yet seen anything to suggest that it has been.  However,  
the praesidium only has meaning when the votes are counted.  It's the  
first tribe to be tabulated.  So as long as a praesidium tribe is  
identified before the diribitores start tabulating votes, things will  
be fine.

    ATS:  Let’s hope it will be...by consensus.  

> and did more than one
> diribitor participate in selecting the praerogativa?

I have no idea.  Unless the diribitores choose to inform us of their  
process, we won't know.  It is up to the diribitores to choose the  
centuria praerogativa, but no specific process is required.  If all  
the other diribitores told one of their number, "You choose one,"  
that's perfectly fine.

    ATS:  And if one chose on his own?  Are they all on duty, as they should be?

>     Thirdly, have the voter codes changed again?  And the century
> assignments?

Yes, and yes.  New voter codes were created for everybody and the  
centuries were realigned.

    ATS:  Yes, I figured that despite the lack of announcement.  I saw that I was in a different century, and thought that the codes had been changed.  I had just learnt the one when they changed them, and now they seem to have changed them again...

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Vale, et valete.  
 
   

>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> It may be helpful to simply post the current law regarding elections, the lex Curiatia Iulia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum, which for some reason has no proper date or page in the tabularium (I've just added the page):
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> Omnibus s.d.
>
> Apparently, our diribitors faced a few problems on the designation of the centuria prerogativa.
>
> Thanks to Dir. Gualterus for having reacted for all of them!
>
> The centuria praerogativa is therefore the XI.
>
> Now that we know which it is, what my colleague pr. Marinus did not yet when he posted his message so that the vote process be not disturbed, the voting process may work normally:
>
> 1/ from today Sunday 07:00 **Rome** time to next Tuesday Nov. 17 at 07:00 (dead line), *ONLY* the members of century XI, this is to say:
> - M. Iulius Severus cos.
> - M. Octavius Gracchus (has Gracchus not have resigned his citizenship? To be checked pls)
> - Q. Suetonius Paulinus
> - C. Curius Saturninus
>
> may vote.
>
> 2/ After 07:00 next Tu. 17, and til Fr. 20 07:00 Rome time dead line, the rest of 1st class centuries vote, *only* them.
>
> 3/ After 7 next Fr. 20, all remaining centuries vote, til Tu 24 17h Rome time.
>
> Valete omnes,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> pr., cand. consul
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > The Centuria Praerogativa is XI.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Gualterus Graecus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvete Quirites,
> > >
> > > A reminder that the Cista will open at 0700 Central European Time for
> > > voting by all centuries and tribes in all three comitiae. That is
> > > approximately 1 hour and 45 minutes from the posting time of this
> > > message.
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
> M. Moravius Piscinus Magister Collegii Augurum Diribitoribus s. p. d.
>
> Considering what is said in the Lex Curiatia Iulia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum, i. e.:
>
> "A century from the first class shall be selected by lot by the diribitores to vote first."
>
> How was the Centuria Praerogativa selected? Exactly what procedure was followed?
>
> The law was intended to make voting less confusing for voters, but at the same time the law intended to retain the augural prescriptions used for elections. So we need to know how selection of centuria XI was carried out.
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> >
> > Omnibus s.d.
> >
> > Apparently, our diribitors faced a few problems on the designation of the centuria prerogativa.
> >
> > Thanks to Dir. Gualterus for having reacted for all of them!
> >
> > The centuria praerogativa is therefore the XI.
> >
> > Now that we know which it is, what my colleague pr. Marinus did not yet when he posted his message so that the vote process be not disturbed, the voting process may work normally:
> >
> > 1/ from today Sunday 07:00 **Rome** time to next Tuesday Nov. 17 at 07:00 (dead line), *ONLY* the members of century XI, this is to say:
> > - M. Iulius Severus cos.
> > - M. Octavius Gracchus (has Gracchus not have resigned his citizenship? To be checked pls)
> > - Q. Suetonius Paulinus
> > - C. Curius Saturninus
> >
> > may vote.
> >
> > 2/ After 07:00 next Tu. 17, and til Fr. 20 07:00 Rome time dead line, the rest of 1st class centuries vote, *only* them.
> >
> > 3/ After 7 next Fr. 20, all remaining centuries vote, til Tu 24 17h Rome time.
> >
> > Valete omnes,
> >
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius
> > pr., cand. consul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvete,
> > >
> > > The Centuria Praerogativa is XI.
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > Gualterus Graecus
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salvete Quirites,
> > > >
> > > > A reminder that the Cista will open at 0700 Central European Time for
> > > > voting by all centuries and tribes in all three comitiae. That is
> > > > approximately 1 hour and 45 minutes from the posting time of this
> > > > message.
> > > >
> > > > Valete,
> > > >
> > > > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcus.lucretius" <marcus.lucretius@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> >
> > It may be helpful to simply post the current law regarding elections, the lex Curiatia Iulia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum, which for some reason has no proper date or page in the tabularium (I've just added the page):
> >
>
>
> I don't know what you added or where, but the original text has always been at http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_Maius_MMDCCLXII_%28Nova_Roma%29/Rogatio_Curiatia_Iulia_de_ratione_comitiorum_centuriatorum
>
>
>
> MLA
>