Salvete omnes

The write-in candidate spaces are now available.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
Tribune of the Plebs

Salve Caeca,

I had to use my citizen number to log on... Try that as well...

Vale,
Aeternia

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:49 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:

 

Salvete omnes,

Um ...I'm afraid I need a bit of help, from ...someone. I tried to log into
the album civium to vote ...and can't log in. Nothing I try is accepted. I
even tried searching for myself with my Roman name, and am told there is no
C. Maria Caeca to be found. Obviously, I'm doing something wrong. Oh, yes,
and I tried clicking the link to forget password, although I haven't, and I
get some sort of error message. So ...this non person needs rescued, if you
would, gratias tibi ago.

C. Maria Caeca, a figment of everybody's imagination, apparently, LOL!

Salve Agrippa,

Thank you so much for your attention to this matter!

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa <canadaoccidentalis@...> wrote:
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> Salvete omnes
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> The write-in candidate spaces are now available.
>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> Tribune of the Plebs
>

Salve Gaia Maria,

I'm going to answer you privately. Just posting here to let people
know I've seen your post and am providing help.

"C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> writes:

> Oops ...

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS



Salvete Omnes!

For my first day back online after a refreshing weekend in the country I offer from the preface of Livy's History of Rome:


hoc illud est praecipue in cognitione rerum salubre ac frugiferum, omnis te exempli documenta in inlustri posita monumento intueri; inde tibi tuaeque rei publicae quod imitere capias, inde foedum inceptu foedum exitu quod vites.

This in particular is healthy and profitable in the knowledge of history, to behold specimens of every sort of example set forth in a conspicuous monument; thence you may choose which models to imitate for yourself and your res publica, and which, corrupt in their beginnings and corrupt in their outcomes, to avoid.

Vale optime,

Julia

Salve Agrippa;
I'm glad to see you turned on the write-in function. Well done, I've amended the title.

The cista works perfectly, but certain functions need to be turned on for the ballot. Agricola explained it all to me last evening. And we had a great discussion about Roman voting!

bene vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
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> Salve Agrippa,
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> Thank you so much for your attention to this matter!
>
> Vale,
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa <canadaoccidentalis@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete omnes
> >
> > The write-in candidate spaces are now available.
> >
> > Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> > Tribune of the Plebs
> >
>

Salve Rota,

You are most welcome, you are most deserving of the support of all the Nova Roman citizens, not just myself.

Cura ut valeas,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:
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> C.Aquillius Rota greets you Iulia,
>
> Now that I function a little again after a 1200 mile week in the car seat, 5 markets and the Castra Romana, let me thank you for your endorsement. I just found it since there were so many new messages during the last couple of days.
> I feel honored to hear that I earned your trust for a magistrates office. I can assure you
> that I will do my best to get the Republic further on and to improve it where necessary,  to the satisfaction of all of us in the case that I will be elected.
>
> Thak you again for your support
>
> Vivat Respublica nostra,
>
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> respectfully
>
> Gaius Aquillius Rota
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> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
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> From: publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Endorsements from L. Julia Aquila
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 9:55 PM
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> Vale bene,
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> Albucius
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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@ ...> wrote:
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> > L. Iulia Aquila Omnibus S.P.D.
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> > I may be a simple citizen of no particular status but I must endorse the following candidates:
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> > Censor: Titus Iulius Sabinus.
>
> > Sabinus has given me support in Nova Roma from day one. He has support my Religio initiatives and has always been available to me when I have needed it. He also extends the same hand to others. We are so fortunate to have this strong Roman and his family, all of the highest virtues, amongst us.
>
> > He has proved successful in every position he has held in Nova Roma, and if you are not familiar with him take a look in the Album Civium and be prepared to be amazed at the dedication and hard work that is in his Vitae.
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> > There is no one who is more qualified than Titus Iulius Sabinus for Censor.
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> > Consuls: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and Publius Memmius Albucius.
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> > There is no one on par with Quintilianus he is well experienced for this job and a high standard of excellence is a hall mark of his Consulship year as it is with any office or initiative in his impressive and highly respected association with Nova Roma. I have come to know him and will put my trust in this honorable hard working citizen.
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> > I have worked well with Albucius in the past year; he is hard working and has an incredible grasp of Nova Roman law and also the history of Ancient Rome. He is well organized, consistent and dedicated.
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> > Both citizens are personable and listen to the concerns of Nova Romans citizens.
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> > The team of Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and Publius Memmius Albucius will unite Nova Roma through cooperation and teamwork and with their team we will see progress for our Res Publica.
>
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> > Praetrices: Equestria Iunia Laeca and Marca Hortensia Maior
>
> > Both these fine citizens I have had the pleasure of working with â€" hard work and dedication solely with our Nova Roma in their hearts. This is a team that well compliments each other's strengths.
>
> > Laeca's wisdom, knowledge, logic and even temperament makes her the very best candidate for this position. I know what the job entails having worked in the cohors for the past year and we need someone as fair and honest as she with and excellent grasp of Nova Roma and Macronational law.
>
> > Maior's passion and dedication is above par. Everything she does is done selflessly for Nova Roma â€" and for this I admire her greatly. She is a strong independent candidate who may argue a point in defense of Nova Roma and its many aspects but she exercises her right to an opinion in a selfless manner for Nova Roma which often result in a compromise and cooperation in the interest of the res publica.
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> > The team of Equestria Iunia Laeca and Marca Hortensia Maior will serve Nova Roma and her citizens in the best way possible; the other candidates fall short in comparison.
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> > Curule Aedile: Titus Flavius Aquila and Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus
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> > Both hard working, dedicated and honest citizens. It is my extreme pleasure to have worked with Aquila and I know we shall have games in 2010 as long as he is Aedile! Placidus and I have had had a few very pleasant and even humorous exchanges and he is well thought of by many and of course myself.
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> > Rogator: P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator
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> > I have had the extreme pleasure of working with him as diribitrix suffecta, he is a kind man and a good man a trustworthy loyal citizen and professional beyond compare. Thank you Venator for a very pleasant experience I am not soon to forget.
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> > Diribitor: M. Arminius Maior
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> > Although I do not know Maior very well, but I have had the pleasure of a couple of exchanges and he is highly thought of. What I do know is that he can be counted on. He is honest, loyal and committed to Nova Roma â€" and he has my support.
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> > I am running out of time so I will be brief and state my support for the following, all I think well of:
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> > Quaestor: Aula Arria Carina and Gaia Maria Caeca. The others I do not know but will come to a decision based on enquiries.
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> > Custos: Lucia Livia Plauta and Emilia Curia Finnica. Plauta is one of the most trustworthy citizens I know, determined, intelligent and strong and a good match for Custos.
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> > Aedilis Plebis: Appius Galerius Aurelianus. A truly nice man who holds Rome in his heart and will give his all to Nova Roma and serve her and her plebes well.
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> > Tribunus Plebis: What can I say, they are all magnificent! All fine Romans and I an honored to know them:
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> > Gaius Curius Saturninus â€" thank you for you patience during my wonderful experience at AT:)
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> > Marcus Octavius Corvus â€" a dedicated cultore that achieves what others only dream about. He and his family live the Roman life.
>
> > Gaius Petronius Dexter -a Latinist who assists citizens in bettering themselves, many times through humor. Thank you Dexter.
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> > Gaius Aquillius Rota â€" The procurator of Austrorientalis, he and his family are actually living the Roman life, and participates in Roman activities daily. I have nothing but praise for him.
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> > Maxima Valeria Messalina â€" Our Virgo Maxima and a fine caring citizen who keeps the flame of Nova Roma in her heart.
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> > Vale optimé,
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> > Julia
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Salve consobrini Sabine amice,

You have honored me with your support in all my endeavors in Nova Roma - you are the eptiome of what it is to be Roman and a fine choice for Censor.

Vale bene,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
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> SALVE ET SALVETE!
>  
> I'm honored by your fine words. Thank you very much, your support is really appreciated.
>  
> VALE ET VALETE,
> T. Iulius Sabinus
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> "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius
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> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, luciaiuliaaquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
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> L. Iulia Aquila Omnibus S.P.D.
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> I may be a simple citizen of no particular status but I must endorse the following candidates:
>
> Censor: Titus Iulius Sabinus.
> Sabinus has given me support in Nova Roma from day one. He has support my Religio initiatives and has always been available to me when I have needed it. He also extends the same hand to others. We are so fortunate to have this strong Roman and his family, all of the highest virtues, amongst us.
> He has proved successful in every position he has held in Nova Roma, and if you are not familiar with him take a look in the Album Civium and be prepared to be amazed at the dedication and hard work that is in his Vitae.
> There is no one who is more qualified than Titus Iulius Sabinus for Censor.
>

Salve Dexter amice,

This is a wonderful poem! Thank you for this!

Vale optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
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> Avete citizens,
>
> As I am from the gens Petronia, and this gens of the Sabin people, worshipped privately Liber Pater et Feronia, I did a Latin poem to Feronia because the Ides of November are her day.
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>
> Fausta dies! Feronia, sunt Idusque Novembres,
> A quibus annus erit, est quoque nostra dies!
> Celsas delubri prisci e marmore columnas
> Erectas quondam, Diva, iacent in humo.
>
> Inque tuum iuuenes templum venere Sabini,
> Flore coronati te cecinere Deam,
> Atque sacerdotes fecerunt sacra ture favente...
> Quae fuerunt iamque sile! Tu, cane resque novas!
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> Inque tuum iuuenes ueniunt templum, bona Diva,
> Ubi sacerdos ille immolat albulam ovem.
> Sunt hilares pueri, iucundae suntque puellae,
> Flore coronati suntque racemiferae.
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> Fata Novæ Romæ, Feronia, fata tuere!
> His precibus Dexter, libera Diva, precor.
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> Valete omnes in pace Feroniæ
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> C. Petronius Dexter
>

Salve Lentulus, Et all,
As an soon to be former Tribune, I support the call for
a SCU to settle this. The only reason I support the cange is because of the
consitution, it was not my intent to invalidate our esteemed ancestors.
Vale,
Gaius Pompeius Marcellus


On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:45:00 +0000 (GMT)
"Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

> Lentulus omnibus sal.
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> The SCU is the simplest way to solve this problem.
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> Those who think that the constitution is violated now, they are right.
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> Those who think that it is not violated but re-interpreted by NR tradition
>and Roman mos maiorum, they are also right.
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> But the conflict between the two points of view can be easily reconciled by
>a Senatus Consultum Ultimum.
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> And there are other things as well that need a SCU.
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> --- Mar 17/11/09, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> ha scritto:
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> Da: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...>
> Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Jan or Dec
> A: "Nova-Roma" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Data: Martedì 17 novembre 2009, 07:17
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> If I steal three togas is it legal? If I get a way with murder 3 times is it
>legal?
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> If a Lex was adopted to allow Patricians to stand for Tribune would you say
>ok because we allowed it for three years or would you insist that the
>constitution be changed correctly in order to allow this.
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> We have a method to follow to amend the constitution. It was not followed so
>the date the Tribunes take office is January 1 2763 and they leave office
>December 31 2763.
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>remain in office until December 31, 2762 I will support that but the newly
>elected tribunes should take office January 1 2763.
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Salve Maior,

I know its beginning to be a "private" joke between some of our friends referring to me as "Greek"(because of the apice) *laughs* but yeah I reallllly want that Grecian cuff. And know what? I am going to use apices too - I kind of think they are pretty. Ok that's another conversation.
Spoke to Rota briefly before heading out of town last week and he said something about helping with some of the recipes from Apicus. Between you and he we will have plenty of references:)

I ordered one of the Calendars from Saturninus so I don't have to copy them onto another calendar - but I have a suggestion, a datebook would be great. Or an app for the Iphone. Ok this is turning into my wish list so I will stop because i promise the gifts will increase in cost.

Cura ut valeas,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
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> Salvete amica Julia et omnes;
> hehe, I know you need that Grecian cuff). The weather was so nasty today I'll go to the library Monday, there are modernized Apicius recipes in the Ancient Roman cookbooks; anything that you want exactly? . Lentule? anyone?
>
> And here is Agricola's shop Domus Lucretia at Cafe Press:
> http://www.cafepress.com/domuslucretius
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> if you scroll down he has Saturnalia cards and buttons, I have one on my coat that I wear year round.
>
> And finally my favorite: Saturninus' calendar. I'm buying the poster-sized one and framing it.
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar/
> valete in tempore Saturni!
> Maior
>
> Agricola told me last year he made over $100 for Nova Roma with the shops, and with the website move we couldn't work on them. But next year ....
>
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> > Salve Maior amica!!!!!!
> >
> > I love this!!! Thank you!!!! I really need to get in touch with Agricola - it has been tooo long... I need the grecian cuff - I do not want it - i *need* it!
> > I have Mark Grant's Roman Cookery and it is ok but it doesn't have the variety I like so I am going to look at some of the ancient sources like Apicus and convert measurements and try to match herbs and veggies, I've had some luck with that - that's how I did the veggie menu for you earlier this year.
> > I am, though, going to something a bit modern for Saturnalia - I am making a huge lasagna, very simple, meatless tomato sauce, ricotta, lots of mozzarella, lasagna pasta, pecorino romano parmesan - and lots of spices. It's tradition for my family at Saturnalia and so I will just make double. Wish i could get some fresh Italian bread from NY though. But we are going to have traditional Roman foods also, I am thinking of a pear dish. The others are really getting into it though - esp. the herbs!The pomegranates have been good so far but they are not quite at their best so maybe they will be perfection by Saturnalia.
> > As i know more I will share it and maybe we can get ideas from one another.
> >
> > Talk soon amica,
> >
> > Cura ut valeas,
> >
> > Julia
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvete Julia et omnes;
> > > Latin tomorrow so I will go to the library and look into some Ancient Roman cookbooks for recipes.
> > >
> > > If anyone has any requests for Roman recipes, just post them and I'll see what is there.
> > >
> > > Julia you are invited to my spring Bona Dea party for sure:)
> > >
> > > and here is our NR Amazon shop:
> > > http://astore.amazon.co.uk/novrom-21 - U.K.
> > > http://astore.amazon.ca/novrom08-20 - Canada
> > > http://astore.amazon.com/novrom-20 - U.S.
> > >
> > > M. Lucretius Agricola who made these shops, couldn't do one for France so apologies! Just click upper left for "Saturnalia" and you'll see the great gifts you can give. I want some!
> > > valete in tempore Saturni
> > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > candidate for praetor
> > >
> > > >
> > >
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>

I believe that the voter codes are changed. Old codes should not be used without first checking your Album Civium page.

Ballots using obsolete voter codes cannot be counted, of course, so it is important to check the code.

Anyone who may have used an old code should check the Album Civium for their new code. It is possible to use the new code to vote again. However, the law requires that only the *first* valid ballot cast with a correct code be counted.


Agricola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
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> Oops ...and how, um ...do I find *that*? I'm afraid it went away when my computer committed hari kari a couple of years ago. I have my last voter code, and my last voter tracking number, but ...Caeca, the displaced person.
>

Salvé Albuci,

It has been an honor to work with you and this endorsement is just a natural consequence. The collective achievements for and of the Res Publica due to both you, P. Memmius Albucius, and our Princeps, C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus are examples by which all Nova Romans should strive to emulate.
A vote for each of these men will contribute to a strong republic, a strong and progressive Nova Roma.
Thank you for this opportunity to cast votes that will have meaning and value.

Valé et habé fortúna bona!

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
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> Aquilae s.d.
>
> Sincere thanks for your endorsement, amica. :-)
>
> Vale bene,
>
>
> Albucius
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> >
> > L. Iulia Aquila Omnibus S.P.D.
> >
> > I may be a simple citizen of no particular status but I must endorse the following candidates:
> >
> > Censor: Titus Iulius Sabinus.
> > Sabinus has given me support in Nova Roma from day one. He has support my Religio initiatives and has always been available to me when I have needed it. He also extends the same hand to others. We are so fortunate to have this strong Roman and his family, all of the highest virtues, amongst us.
> > He has proved successful in every position he has held in Nova Roma, and if you are not familiar with him take a look in the Album Civium and be prepared to be amazed at the dedication and hard work that is in his Vitae.
> > There is no one who is more qualified than Titus Iulius Sabinus for Censor.
> >
> > Consuls: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and Publius Memmius Albucius.
> > There is no one on par with Quintilianus he is well experienced for this job and a high standard of excellence is a hall mark of his Consulship year as it is with any office or initiative in his impressive and highly respected association with Nova Roma. I have come to know him and will put my trust in this honorable hard working citizen.
> > I have worked well with Albucius in the past year; he is hard working and has an incredible grasp of Nova Roman law and also the history of Ancient Rome. He is well organized, consistent and dedicated.
> > Both citizens are personable and listen to the concerns of Nova Romans citizens.
> > The team of Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and Publius Memmius Albucius will unite Nova Roma through cooperation and teamwork and with their team we will see progress for our Res Publica.
> >
> > Praetrices: Equestria Iunia Laeca and Marca Hortensia Maior
> > Both these fine citizens I have had the pleasure of working with – hard work and dedication solely with our Nova Roma in their hearts. This is a team that well compliments each other's strengths.
> > Laeca's wisdom, knowledge, logic and even temperament makes her the very best candidate for this position. I know what the job entails having worked in the cohors for the past year and we need someone as fair and honest as she with and excellent grasp of Nova Roma and Macronational law.
> > Maior's passion and dedication is above par. Everything she does is done selflessly for Nova Roma – and for this I admire her greatly. She is a strong independent candidate who may argue a point in defense of Nova Roma and its many aspects but she exercises her right to an opinion in a selfless manner for Nova Roma which often result in a compromise and cooperation in the interest of the res publica.
> > The team of Equestria Iunia Laeca and Marca Hortensia Maior will serve Nova Roma and her citizens in the best way possible; the other candidates fall short in comparison.
> >
> > Curule Aedile: Titus Flavius Aquila and Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus
> > Both hard working, dedicated and honest citizens. It is my extreme pleasure to have worked with Aquila and I know we shall have games in 2010 as long as he is Aedile! Placidus and I have had had a few very pleasant and even humorous exchanges and he is well thought of by many and of course myself.
> >
> >
> > Rogator: P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> > I have had the extreme pleasure of working with him as diribitrix suffecta, he is a kind man and a good man a trustworthy loyal citizen and professional beyond compare. Thank you Venator for a very pleasant experience I am not soon to forget.
> >
> >
> > Diribitor: M. Arminius Maior
> > Although I do not know Maior very well, but I have had the pleasure of a couple of exchanges and he is highly thought of. What I do know is that he can be counted on. He is honest, loyal and committed to Nova Roma – and he has my support.
> >
> >
> > I am running out of time so I will be brief and state my support for the following, all I think well of:
> >
> > Quaestor: Aula Arria Carina and Gaia Maria Caeca. The others I do not know but will come to a decision based on enquiries.
> >
> > Custos: Lucia Livia Plauta and Emilia Curia Finnica. Plauta is one of the most trustworthy citizens I know, determined, intelligent and strong and a good match for Custos.
> >
> > Aedilis Plebis: Appius Galerius Aurelianus. A truly nice man who holds Rome in his heart and will give his all to Nova Roma and serve her and her plebes well.
> >
> > Tribunus Plebis: What can I say, they are all magnificent! All fine Romans and I an honored to know them:
> > Gaius Curius Saturninus – thank you for you patience during my wonderful experience at AT:)
> > Marcus Octavius Corvus – a dedicated cultore that achieves what others only dream about. He and his family live the Roman life.
> > Gaius Petronius Dexter -a Latinist who assists citizens in bettering themselves, many times through humor. Thank you Dexter.
> > Gaius Aquillius Rota – The procurator of Austrorientalis, he and his family are actually living the Roman life, and participates in Roman activities daily. I have nothing but praise for him.
> > Maxima Valeria Messalina – Our Virgo Maxima and a fine caring citizen who keeps the flame of Nova Roma in her heart.
> >
> > Vale optimé,
> >
> > Julia
> >
>

Salve Maior,

You're very welcome, the team of Maior and Laeca is a win-win for our Nova Roma!

Vale optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
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> maximas gratias Aquila
> vale
> Maior
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> >
> > Aquilae s.d.
> >
> > Sincere thanks for your endorsement, amica. :-)
> >
> > Vale bene,
> >
> >
> > Albucius
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> > >
> > > L. Iulia Aquila Omnibus S.P.D.
> > >
> > > I may be a simple citizen of no particular status but I must endorse the following candidates:
> > >
> > > Censor: Titus Iulius Sabinus.
> > > Sabinus has given me support in Nova Roma from day one. He has support my Religio initiatives and has always been available to me when I have needed it. He also extends the same hand to others. We are so fortunate to have this strong Roman and his family, all of the highest virtues, amongst us.
> > > He has proved successful in every position he has held in Nova Roma, and if you are not familiar with him take a look in the Album Civium and be prepared to be amazed at the dedication and hard work that is in his Vitae.
> > > There is no one who is more qualified than Titus Iulius Sabinus for Censor.
> > >
> > > Consuls: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and Publius Memmius Albucius.
> > > There is no one on par with Quintilianus he is well experienced for this job and a high standard of excellence is a hall mark of his Consulship year as it is with any office or initiative in his impressive and highly respected association with Nova Roma. I have come to know him and will put my trust in this honorable hard working citizen.
> > > I have worked well with Albucius in the past year; he is hard working and has an incredible grasp of Nova Roman law and also the history of Ancient Rome. He is well organized, consistent and dedicated.
> > > Both citizens are personable and listen to the concerns of Nova Romans citizens.
> > > The team of Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and Publius Memmius Albucius will unite Nova Roma through cooperation and teamwork and with their team we will see progress for our Res Publica.
> > >
> > > Praetrices: Equestria Iunia Laeca and Marca Hortensia Maior
> > > Both these fine citizens I have had the pleasure of working with – hard work and dedication solely with our Nova Roma in their hearts. This is a team that well compliments each other's strengths.
> > > Laeca's wisdom, knowledge, logic and even temperament makes her the very best candidate for this position. I know what the job entails having worked in the cohors for the past year and we need someone as fair and honest as she with and excellent grasp of Nova Roma and Macronational law.
> > > Maior's passion and dedication is above par. Everything she does is done selflessly for Nova Roma – and for this I admire her greatly. She is a strong independent candidate who may argue a point in defense of Nova Roma and its many aspects but she exercises her right to an opinion in a selfless manner for Nova Roma which often result in a compromise and cooperation in the interest of the res publica.
> > > The team of Equestria Iunia Laeca and Marca Hortensia Maior will serve Nova Roma and her citizens in the best way possible; the other candidates fall short in comparison.
> > >
> > > Curule Aedile: Titus Flavius Aquila and Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus
> > > Both hard working, dedicated and honest citizens. It is my extreme pleasure to have worked with Aquila and I know we shall have games in 2010 as long as he is Aedile! Placidus and I have had had a few very pleasant and even humorous exchanges and he is well thought of by many and of course myself.
> > >
> > >
> > > Rogator: P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> > > I have had the extreme pleasure of working with him as diribitrix suffecta, he is a kind man and a good man a trustworthy loyal citizen and professional beyond compare. Thank you Venator for a very pleasant experience I am not soon to forget.
> > >
> > >
> > > Diribitor: M. Arminius Maior
> > > Although I do not know Maior very well, but I have had the pleasure of a couple of exchanges and he is highly thought of. What I do know is that he can be counted on. He is honest, loyal and committed to Nova Roma – and he has my support.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am running out of time so I will be brief and state my support for the following, all I think well of:
> > >
> > > Quaestor: Aula Arria Carina and Gaia Maria Caeca. The others I do not know but will come to a decision based on enquiries.
> > >
> > > Custos: Lucia Livia Plauta and Emilia Curia Finnica. Plauta is one of the most trustworthy citizens I know, determined, intelligent and strong and a good match for Custos.
> > >
> > > Aedilis Plebis: Appius Galerius Aurelianus. A truly nice man who holds Rome in his heart and will give his all to Nova Roma and serve her and her plebes well.
> > >
> > > Tribunus Plebis: What can I say, they are all magnificent! All fine Romans and I an honored to know them:
> > > Gaius Curius Saturninus – thank you for you patience during my wonderful experience at AT:)
> > > Marcus Octavius Corvus – a dedicated cultore that achieves what others only dream about. He and his family live the Roman life.
> > > Gaius Petronius Dexter -a Latinist who assists citizens in bettering themselves, many times through humor. Thank you Dexter.
> > > Gaius Aquillius Rota – The procurator of Austrorientalis, he and his family are actually living the Roman life, and participates in Roman activities daily. I have nothing but praise for him.
> > > Maxima Valeria Messalina – Our Virgo Maxima and a fine caring citizen who keeps the flame of Nova Roma in her heart.
> > >
> > > Vale optimé,
> > >
> > > Julia
> > >
> >
>

Salvete omnes,

A joke, well two, from Cicero:

When Cicero noticed his son-in-law, Lentulus, a man of small stature, with a long sword by his side, he said:

"Quis generum meum ad gladium alligavit?"
'Who has girded my son-in-law to that sword?'


On another occasion, on seeing the half-length portrait of his brother Quintus, drawn with very large features and an immense shield, Cicero exclaimed:

"Frater meus dimidius maior est quam totus!"
'Half of my brother is greater than the whole!'

Cura ut valeas,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes!
>
> For my first day back online after a refreshing weekend in the country I offer from the preface of Livy's History of Rome:
>
>
> hoc illud est praecipue in cognitione rerum salubre ac frugiferum, omnis te exempli documenta in inlustri posita monumento intueri; inde tibi tuaeque rei publicae quod imitere capias, inde foedum inceptu foedum exitu quod vites.
>
> This in particular is healthy and profitable in the knowledge of history, to behold specimens of every sort of example set forth in a conspicuous monument; thence you may choose which models to imitate for yourself and your res publica, and which, corrupt in their beginnings and corrupt in their outcomes, to avoid.
>
> Vale optime,
>
> Julia
>

Just a tip to everyone...

The Album Civium search works on partial names. So in this case, entering "caeca" in the search box finds you and you alone.

Usually just typing in your cognomen is a good idea. The search is not case-sensitive.



Agricola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Um ...I'm afraid I need a bit of help, from ...someone. I tried to log into
> the album civium to vote ...and can't log in. Nothing I try is accepted. I
> even tried searching for myself with my Roman name, and am told there is no
> C. Maria Caeca to be found. Obviously, I'm doing something wrong. Oh, yes,
> and I tried clicking the link to forget password, although I haven't, and I
> get some sort of error message. So ...this non person needs rescued, if you
> would, gratias tibi ago.
>
> C. Maria Caeca, a figment of everybody's imagination, apparently, LOL!
>

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XIV Kalendas Decembris; haec dies comitialis est.

"Not long after this the Dictator appeared, and at once ordered the
trumpet to sound the Assembly. When silence was restored an usher
summoned Q. Fabius, the Master of the Horse. He advanced and stood
immediately below the Dictator's tribunal. The Dictator began:
"Quintus Fabius, inasmuch as the Dictator possesses supreme authority,
to which the consuls who exercise the old kingly power, and the
praetors who are elected under the same auspices as the consuls alike
submit, I ask you whether or not you think it right and fitting that
the Master of the Horse should bow to that authority? Further, I ask
you whether as I was aware that I had left the City under doubtful
auspices I ought to have jeopardised the safety of the republic in the
face of this religious difficulty, or whether I ought to have taken
the auspices afresh and so avoided any action till the pleasure of the
gods was known? I should also like to know whether, if a religious
impediment prevents the Dictator from acting, the Master of the Horse
is at liberty to consider himself free and unhampered by such
impediment? But why am I putting these questions? Surely, if I had
gone away without leaving any orders, you ought to have used your
judgment in interpreting my wishes and acted accordingly. Answer me
this, rather: Did I forbid you to take any action in my absence? Did I
forbid you to engage the enemy? In contempt of my orders, whilst the
auspices were still indecisive and the sanctions of religion withheld,
you dared to give battle, in defiance of all the military custom and
discipline of our ancestors, in defiance of the will of the gods.
Answer the questions put to you, but beware of uttering a single word
about anything else. Lictor, stand by him!"

Fabius found it far from easy to reply to each question in detail, and
protested against the same man being both accuser and judge in a
matter of life and death. He exclaimed that it would be easier to
deprive him of his life than of the glory he had won, and went on to
exculpate himself and bring charges against the Dictator. Papirius in
a fresh outburst of rage ordered the Master of the Horse to be
stripped and the rods and axes to be got ready. Fabius appealed to the
soldiers for help, and as the lictors began to tear off his clothes,
he retreated behind the triarii who were now raising a tumult. Their
shouts were taken up through the whole concourse, threats and
entreaties were heard everywhere. Those nearest the tribunal, who
could be recognised as being within view of the Dictator implored him
to spare the Master of the Horse and not with him to condemn the whole
army; those furthest off and the men who had closed round Fabius
reviled the Dictator as unfeeling and merciless. Matters were rapidly
approaching a mutiny. Even those on the tribunal did not remain quiet;
the staff officers who were standing round the Dictator's chair begged
him to adjourn the proceedings to the following day to allow his anger
to cool and give time for quiet consideration. They urged that the
youthful spirit of Fabius had been sufficiently chastened and his
victory sufficiently sullied; they begged him not to push his
punishment to extremities or to brand with ignominy not only a youth
of exceptional merit but also his distinguished father and the whole
Fabian house. When they found their arguments and entreaties alike
unavailing, they asked him to look at the angry multitude in front. To
add fire to men whose tempers were already inflamed and to provide the
materials for a mutiny was, they said, unworthy of a man of his age
and experience. If a mutiny did occur, no one would throw the blame of
it upon Q. Fabius, who was only deprecating punishment; the sole
responsibility would lie on the Dictator for having in his blind
passion provoked the multitude to a deplorable struggle with him. And
as a final argument they declared that to prevent him from supposing
that they were actuated by any personal feeling in favour of Fabius,
they were prepared to state on oath that they considered the
infliction of punishment on Fabius under present circumstances to be
detrimental to the interests of the State." - Livy, History of Rome
8.32


"Strong and bright, tall and beautiful of form, who sends down by day
and by night a flow of motherly waters as large as the whole of the
waters that run along the earth, and who runs powerfully." - Fifth
Yasht (Abaun), "Hymn to the Waters", from the Avesta, the sacred
writings of Zoroastrianism

"The first statue of massive gold, without any hollowness within, and
anterior to any of those statues of bronze even, which are known as
'holosphyratae,' is said to have been erected in the Temple of the
goddess Anaitis [Anahita]; to what particular region this name
belongs, we have already stated, it being that of a divinity held in
the highest veneration by the nations in that part of the world." -
Pliny, Natural History XXXIII.xxiv.82

"Most of the precious metals were stripped off in the invasion of
Alexander and his Macedonians, and the rest during the reigns of
Antigonus and Seleucus the son of Nicanor, but still, when Antiochus
reached the place, the temple of Aene [Anahita] alone had the columns
round it still gilded and a number of silver tiles were piled up in
it, while a few gold bricks and a considerable quantity of silver ones
remained." - Polybius, Histories 10.IV.27

"Now the Persians do not erect statues or altars, but offer sacrifice
on a high place, regarding the heavens as Zeus [Ahura-Mazda]; and they
also worship Helios [the Sun], who they call Mithras, and Selene
[Anahita] and Aphrodite, and fire and earth and winds and water; and
with earnest prayer they offer sacrifice in a purified place,
presenting the victim crowned, and when the Magus, who directs the
sacrifice, has divided the meat the people go away with their
shares,Â…; but still, according to some writers, they place a small
portion of the caul upon the fire." - Strabo, Geographies XV.3.13-14

In ancient Persia, today was held in honor of the goddes Ardvi Sura,
an aspect of Anahita. Anahita, which means "the humid", or "strong",
or "immaculate one", was one of the ruling deities of the Persian
Empire. She embodied the physical and metaphroical qualities of water,
especially the fertilizing flow of water from the fountain in the
stars. She also ruled semen and human fertility. She was viewed as the
"Golden Mother" and as a warrior maiden. Anahita was often shown
wearing a golden kerchief, square gold earrings, and a jeweled diadem,
and wrapped in a golde-embroidered cloak adorned with thirty otter
skins. Anahita was sometimes depicted as driving a chariot drawn by
four white horses, representing wind, rain, clouds, and hail. Anahita
was honored with offerings of green branches and white heifers. Ritual
prostitution occurred in Her temples in order to "purify the seed of
males and the womb and milk of females," according to Strabo.

Her cult was strongest in Western Iran, and had extensive parallels
with that of the Semitic Near Eastern "Queen of Heaven", deification
of the planet Venus, eternal virgin (however many sexual encounters
she had), goddess of war, love, and fertility Ishtar, who was probably
derived from the Sumerian Inana. Anahita may have been a direct
borrowing from the Near East, or may have acquired Near Eastern
characteristics from a confrontation between Iranian and Mesopotamian
cultures.

In modern Persian Anahita (Nahid) is the name for the planet Venus.

From Plutarch:

"We ought therefore not to accept readily chance acquaintances, or attach ourselves to them, nor ought we to make friends of those who seek after us, but rather we should seek after those who are worthy of friendship. For one should by no means take what can easily be taken. In fact we step over or thrust aside bramble and brier, which seize hold upon us, and make our way onward to the olive and the vine. Thus it is always an excellent thing not to make an intimate acquaintance of the man who is ready with his embraces, but rather, of our own motion, to embrace those of whom we approve Fas worthy of our attention and useful to us." - Moralia, "On Having Many Friends" 4


Valete bene!

Cato

Salve Tribune Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
 
Thanks but it is still not correct. There are FIVE Tribunes that one can vote for. We need the same number of Write-in spaces as we have offices for.
 
Right now we can only write-in one name. We should be able to write-in up to FIVE.
 
Please have this fixed ASAP.
 
Vale
 
Ti. Galerius Paulinus
 

---

To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com; novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com; comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com
From: canadaoccidentalis@...
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:54:45 -0800
Subject: [CPT] The cista is repaired

 

M. Lucretius Agricola custos Omnibus S.P.D.

Several ballots have been submitted with invalid voter codes and so cannot be counted. The citizens who cast these ballots can re-vote by getting their correct voter codes from their Album Civium pages.

The invalid ballot numbers and voter codes are as follows:

In the Comitia Centuriata:

Ballot #9111008 Bad code YJE201
Ballot #9111024 Bad code HHG741
Ballot #9111042 Bad code CVT930

In the Comitia Populi Tributa:

Ballot #9112009 Bad code YJE201
Ballot #9112024 Bad code HHG741
Ballot #9112042 Bad code CVT930


Nota bene: All voter codes are recently changed, so all citizens should get their current codes from the Album Civium. Old voter codes are invalid.

Citizens are reminded that only their first ballot cast in each comitia will be counted. It is not allowed to revise a vote once it is cast.


Ago vobis gratias.

Lentulus magister aranearius omnibus sal.


Earlier this year we faced a similar problem, but now it is more serious.

Matt Huck, in his Roman name M. Octavius Gracchus proposed the Nova Roma Wikipedia article for deletion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nova_Roma

Please vote for keeping and save our republic's article on Wikipedia.

Also, if you are a Wikipedia editor, please help to improve the Nova Roma article on the Wikipedia by adding references and editing the article!


VÍVAT NOVA RÓMA PROSPERRIMÉ!

Salve

Perhaps is possible to write various names in the "write-in" space.
Or the ID numbers.

Vale
M.Arminius

--- Em qua, 18/11/09, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> escreveu:


De: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...>
Assunto: [Nova-Roma] RE: [CPT] The cista is repaired
Para: "ComitiaPlebisTributa" <comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com>, "Nova-Roma" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
Data: Quarta-feira, 18 de Novembro de 2009, 9:42


 



Salve Tribune Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
 
Thanks but it is still not correct. There are FIVE Tribunes that one can vote for. We need the same number of Write-in spaces as we have offices for.
 
Right now we can only write-in one name. We should be able to write-in up to FIVE.
 
Please have this fixed ASAP.
 
Vale
 
Ti. Galerius Paulinus
 


To: nova-roma@yahoogrou ps.com; novaroma-announce@ yahoogroups. com; comitiaplebistribut a@yahoogroups. com
From: canadaoccidentalis@ yahoo.ca
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:54:45 -0800
Subject: [CPT] The cista is repaired

 


Salvete omnes

The write-in candidate spaces are now available.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
Tribune of the Plebs










____________________________________________________________________________________
Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com

Salve Lentule,

My first reaction was that if one leaves an organization, leave with dignity - just because you don't want to be a part of it why try to ruin it for everyone. Childish.
But... my second reaction was action - and so I visited the wiki and left a brief note - I followed your lead and it looks ok so I think I was successful.

VÍVAT NOVA RÓMA PROSPERRIMÉ!

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Lentulus magister aranearius omnibus sal.
>
>
> Earlier this year we faced a similar problem, but now it is more serious.
>
> Matt Huck, in his Roman name M. Octavius Gracchus proposed the Nova Roma Wikipedia article for deletion.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nova_Roma
>
> Please vote for keeping and save our republic's article on Wikipedia.
>
> Also, if you are a Wikipedia editor, please help to improve the Nova Roma article on the Wikipedia by adding references and editing the article!
>
>
> VÍVAT NOVA RÓMA PROSPERRIMÉ!
>

Salve Pauline;
you can try to write in 5 names.But the ballot has been like this for a long time with the tribunes and plebs approval.


If we want a new kind of plebeian ballot then it is up to making sure it is possible with the CIO and then putting it to All the plebeians.

I have helped you, I wish elections to go smoothly for everyone but please remember that Agrippa, Aurelianus the tribunes and you & all of us plebeians approved this ballot for the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M Arminius Maior <marminius@...> wrote:
>
> Salve
>
> Perhaps is possible to write various names in the "write-in" space.
> Or the ID numbers.
>
> Vale
> M.Arminius
>
> --- Em qua, 18/11/09, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> escreveu:
>
>
> De: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...>
> Assunto: [Nova-Roma] RE: [CPT] The cista is repaired
> Para: "ComitiaPlebisTributa" <comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com>, "Nova-Roma" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Data: Quarta-feira, 18 de Novembro de 2009, 9:42
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Salve Tribune Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> Â
> Thanks but it is still not correct. There are FIVE Tribunes that one can vote for. We need the same number of Write-in spaces as we have offices for.
> Â
> Right now we can only write-in one name. We should be able to write-in up to FIVE.
> Â
> Please have this fixed ASAP.
> Â
> Vale
> Â
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus
> Â
>
>
> To: nova-roma@yahoogrou ps.com; novaroma-announce@ yahoogroups. com; comitiaplebistribut a@yahoogroups. com
> From: canadaoccidentalis@ yahoo.ca
> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:54:45 -0800
> Subject: [CPT] The cista is repaired
>
> Â
>
>
> Salvete omnes
>
> The write-in candidate spaces are now available.
>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> Tribune of the Plebs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
> http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com
>

Cato Maiori sal.

I am glad that the plebeian magistrates listed "approved" of the ballot but remember that it *must* conform to the law no matter what anyone says or who gives it their "approval".

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Pauline;
> you can try to write in 5 names.But the ballot has been like this for a long time with the tribunes and plebs approval.
>
>
> If we want a new kind of plebeian ballot then it is up to making sure it is possible with the CIO and then putting it to All the plebeians.
>
> I have helped you, I wish elections to go smoothly for everyone but please remember that Agrippa, Aurelianus the tribunes and you & all of us plebeians approved this ballot for the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
> vale
> Maior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M Arminius Maior <marminius@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve
> >
> > Perhaps is possible to write various names in the "write-in" space.
> > Or the ID numbers.
> >
> > Vale
> > M.Arminius
> >
> > --- Em qua, 18/11/09, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@> escreveu:
> >
> >
> > De: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@>
> > Assunto: [Nova-Roma] RE: [CPT] The cista is repaired
> > Para: "ComitiaPlebisTributa" <comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com>, "Nova-Roma" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
> > Data: Quarta-feira, 18 de Novembro de 2009, 9:42
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve Tribune Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> > Â
> > Thanks but it is still not correct. There are FIVE Tribunes that one can vote for. We need the same number of Write-in spaces as we have offices for.
> > Â
> > Right now we can only write-in one name. We should be able to write-in up to FIVE.
> > Â
> > Please have this fixed ASAP.
> > Â
> > Vale
> > Â
> > Ti. Galerius Paulinus
> > Â
> >
> >
> > To: nova-roma@yahoogrou ps.com; novaroma-announce@ yahoogroups. com; comitiaplebistribut a@yahoogroups. com
> > From: canadaoccidentalis@ yahoo.ca
> > Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:54:45 -0800
> > Subject: [CPT] The cista is repaired
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > Salvete omnes
> >
> > The write-in candidate spaces are now available.
> >
> > Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> > Tribune of the Plebs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________________
> > Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
> > http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com
> >
>

Omnibus s.d.

I am not sure having well understood where the problem still exists, but, entering the cista to check the write-in candidate box, I have wished checking the avaibility of this write-in box.

Concerning whether we can put several names in this box, we materially can, sure: I have tried it.

*But*, imho, our applicable lex Moravia does not give us such a right introducing up to five write-in candidates. For it provides (paragraph VI.C.):

"4. There shall be an area on the ballot for a write-in candidate should the voter wish to cast a vote for a candidate not listed on the ballot."

This clause well speaks, and twice, of "a" candidate, not of 'candidates'.

So I would advice all who have not the same reading of this law, if they really wish, to cast a write-in vote with several names in it, *but being fully aware that such vote may be declared as void*.

For the other ones who share my reading of Lex Moravia, the current write-in box accepts the name of one civis.

Good vote, Plebeii !

Valete,


P. Memmius Albucius
praetor, cand. consul

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> I am glad that the plebeian magistrates listed "approved" of the ballot but remember that it *must* conform to the law no matter what anyone says or who gives it their "approval".
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Pauline;
> > you can try to write in 5 names.But the ballot has been like this for a long time with the tribunes and plebs approval.
> >
> >
> > If we want a new kind of plebeian ballot then it is up to making sure it is possible with the CIO and then putting it to All the plebeians.
> >
> > I have helped you, I wish elections to go smoothly for everyone but please remember that Agrippa, Aurelianus the tribunes and you & all of us plebeians approved this ballot for the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
> > vale
> > Maior
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M Arminius Maior <marminius@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve
> > >
> > > Perhaps is possible to write various names in the "write-in" space.
> > > Or the ID numbers.
> > >
> > > Vale
> > > M.Arminius
> > >
> > > --- Em qua, 18/11/09, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@> escreveu:
> > >
> > >
> > > De: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@>
> > > Assunto: [Nova-Roma] RE: [CPT] The cista is repaired
> > > Para: "ComitiaPlebisTributa" <comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com>, "Nova-Roma" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Data: Quarta-feira, 18 de Novembro de 2009, 9:42
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve Tribune Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> > > Â
> > > Thanks but it is still not correct. There are FIVE Tribunes that one can vote for. We need the same number of Write-in spaces as we have offices for.
> > > Â
> > > Right now we can only write-in one name. We should be able to write-in up to FIVE.
> > > Â
> > > Please have this fixed ASAP.
> > > Â
> > > Vale
> > > Â
> > > Ti. Galerius Paulinus
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > > To: nova-roma@yahoogrou ps.com; novaroma-announce@ yahoogroups. com; comitiaplebistribut a@yahoogroups. com
> > > From: canadaoccidentalis@ yahoo.ca
> > > Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:54:45 -0800
> > > Subject: [CPT] The cista is repaired
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > > Salvete omnes
> > >
> > > The write-in candidate spaces are now available.
> > >
> > > Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> > > Tribune of the Plebs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________________________________________________________________________________
> > > Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
> > > http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com
> > >
> >
>

Salve Lentule;
Corvus had that splendid sacrifice in Sarmatia, Celsus a great event in Thessaly, are there local newspaper reports? That would help.
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
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> Lentulus magister aranearius omnibus sal.
>
>
> Earlier this year we faced a similar problem, but now it is more serious.
>
> Matt Huck, in his Roman name M. Octavius Gracchus proposed the Nova Roma Wikipedia article for deletion.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nova_Roma
>
> Please vote for keeping and save our republic's article on Wikipedia.
>
> Also, if you are a Wikipedia editor, please help to improve the Nova Roma article on the Wikipedia by adding references and editing the article!
>
>
> VÍVAT NOVA RÓMA PROSPERRIMÉ!
>

Salve Lentulus, Salvete Omnes:

You may not like this, but.....

Upon your invitation I looked at this article and there are errors and misleading statements which have been contributed by NR citizens. I note that you are a frequent contributor, Lentulus. The article, for better or for worse has changed quite a bit.

Plain and simple. If an article is not correct or poorly referenced, it will be challenged by those who are attempting to keep Wikipedia credible. Some of these people might be former citizens on Nova Roma who are advocates of Wikipedia. I know Octavius was one, and that is why he thought it would be good for NR.
You will note in the edit history of the NR article that Octavius defended NR against a whimsical comment that somebody was going to take our laurel wreath trademark, reminding them that it was trademarked. What you might consider a recent attempt at Wiki destruction by a former citizen just might be an attempt to keep the Wikipedia clean.

The history and discussion logs show objections/deletions of some items on the basis of insufficient citations, namely NR list posts, to which not everyone has access, or would care to have to join to access the references.

It kind of hurts to be equated with 'Sailor Moon' by one critic :( (or :) depending on your sense of humour), but if we don't reference ourselves accordingly, we might look like an animation.

Some of your contributions, Lentulus, have been challenged on the basis of it looking like nothing more than advertising. The log is ever there....

One current, unsubstantiated statement is our active citizen role being 1000 since Jan. 2009. There is no citation for this; furthermore, our last Census was done in 2007 ( it was indicated in this forum that our 2009 census is not yet finished). So, the Census report,if make public on our website, would be a good reference, given that our database is not an appropriate public citation (good!) but still we would need to correct our current Wikipedia statement to reflect the data from Census 2007.

Here's another interesting, and somewhat disturbing ditty, which might appear as hemi-truthed sensationalism to those in NR, but it might equally be adopted as complete truth to the general public:

To quote:

""In April 2009, there was some controversy regarding the project[discussing the Magna Mater Project], as one of the directors of Nova Roma, Robert Woolwine, claimed that it was being investigated for potential wire fraud; in response the project's website had been taken down, and one of Nova Roma's magistrates had issued a decree demanding that it be put back up.[10] Its ultimate fate has remained uncertain as of July 2009.""

The reference (10) given for the above statement is mainlist post #63313 which doesn't mention Robert Woolwine at all...it displays the written, official decision of Curule Aedile Gn Iulius Caesar, acting on his imperium, to suspend the MM website on the basis of legal considerations ie wire fraud, and the Praetor Memmius vetoing same (with an edict not a *decree*). Reading the 'reference' post #63313, I might think that Robert Woolwine was the author of the edict being discussed, but when you scroll down, it is clearly signed Gn Iulius Caesar. Further, my understanding is that a majority of Board of Directors/Senators, not just Robert Woolwine BoD, approved the suspension on the basis of data the Curule Aedile presented. Am I wrong here?

So why does the author take care to suggest blame soley on one of the board of directors? Is there a citation for this?

Dear author, if you do not like Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (Robert Woolwine) this is fine, and others quite apparently agree with you; but when half truth, misleading information is published on our website, it tarnishes the credibility of the whole organization. It is difficult for me to believe that this was written objectively, and in true thought for NR. Sulla is only one board of director...he cannot make any manner of official action on behalf of NR without being part of a majority of Board of Directors/Senators.

So, if I, say I was still Senatrix, brought up something before the Senate, and you didn't like the idea or didn't like me personally, but the Senate nonetheless supported my idea officially, you could paint me in a jaded light on the Wikipedia article? I didn't think the Senate debates were open to nonsenators... I don't think this has changed.
How can the statement on the Wikipedia be considered true in the offical sense when the author doesn't have privy to the Senate debates?

We need to keep the senationalism and the gossip hen stuff away from public eyes. And yes, we need more appropriate citations.

So, when people consider the entire article for deletion, who can blame them?

Proposed solution:

Perhaps the Senate should approve a baseline article, and approve any subsequent edits in the interests of correctness and general appropriateness of content. Then the webmaster can carry out the Senate's instructions. This will ensure that the republic's best interests are kept in mind.

It was an interesting read, our current article, for sure. Unlike Lentulus, I'm not going to get upset about anyone else who challenges the content, and those who might suggest deletion.



Valete,and with some disappointment and confusion.
Pompeia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
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> Lentulus magister aranearius omnibus sal.
>
>
> Earlier this year we faced a similar problem, but now it is more serious.
>
> Matt Huck, in his Roman name M. Octavius Gracchus proposed the Nova Roma Wikipedia article for deletion.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nova_Roma
>
> Please vote for keeping and save our republic's article on Wikipedia.
>
> Also, if you are a Wikipedia editor, please help to improve the Nova Roma article on the Wikipedia by adding references and editing the article!
>
>
> VÍVAT NOVA RÓMA PROSPERRIMÉ!
>

Cato, if you are elected (which I doubt) you can try to fix NR the way you want it fixed in your lovely little world of shall-shall land.

I still encourage the citizens of Nova Roma not to elect you to any office.

The newly elected plebeian magistrates need to take office on 10 December and let them begin the process to amend the Constitution so that IV Idus becomes both the historic and Constitutional date for their installation next year.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
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> Cato Petronio Dextero Galerii SPD
>
> The most direct way to solve this is, again, to have the Senate empower the consuls to suspend the clause in the Constitution which states that the tribunes will take office on the Kalends of Ianuarius, using a sentaus consultum ultimam.
>
> This way the tribunes currently in office can step down at the legal time and the tribunes elected by the People can legally take up office on the ancient customary date; then, at any time during their time in office any of these tribunes can suggest amending the law to reflect correct (i.e., ancient and customary) practice.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@> wrote:
> >
> > Cousin,
> >
> > I have already stated in a previous post that I was willing to vacate the Tribunate on the traditional date.Moreover I certainly agree that we cannot leave the field open for 21 days.I have no desire to stand in the way of the incoming magistrates on Dec. 10.
> > I do feel however that this situation needs to be reconciled.I shall surely pursue this issue in the CPT as a Plebein Aedile in the coming year.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > Ap.Galerius Aurelianus
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Patrick O <brotherpaganus@> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Patrick O <brotherpaganus@>
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Tribuni take their office on Dec 10th-To Ap. Galerius Aurelianus
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 11:40 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Cousin,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You have used this section of the Constitution in several
> > > posts but you have not explained in words that I can
> > > understand how it relates to your belief that the Tribunes
> > > need to take office on January 1 which would also allow you
> > > to extend the term of the current four Tribunes for 21 days
> > > longer than their one year term.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you or any of the other three Tribunes gone back over
> > > the posts and various decreta, edicta, plebiscites, et
> > > cetera to determine when the decision was made to install
> > > the Tribunes on the historically correct date of 10
> > > December? If you have, why have you not shown how following
> > > the historic practice of the 10 Dec Installation violates
> > > the letter or spirit of the Constitution?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I made the call for plebeian candidates and indicated when
> > > they were to be installed (10 Dec) but none of the four
> > > other Tribunes issued an intercessio against my call for
> > > candidates. I had to correct my own initial call due to an
> > > error I discovered because none of the other Tribunes raised
> > > an objection.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you abide by the Constitution in section 7.A. that
> > > Tribunes may only serve a term of one year, then you and the
> > > other three Tribunes must vacate your office at the end of
> > > 09 December. If you do this but do not allow the newly
> > > elected Tribunes to take office on 10 December, then NR will
> > > be without Tribunes for 21 days. This would allow all
> > > sitting magistrates to issue whatever edicta they wish
> > > without fear of the tribunicial intercessio. If you
> > > continue to hold office after 9 December, then any decisions
> > > or intercessi that you issue will lack the force of law and
> > > can be ignored on the basis that you have exceeded your year
> > > in office.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps, it would be better for the new Tribunes to
> > > continue to be installed on 10 December this year and to
> > > bring the matter up for discussion in the CPT next year when
> > > you are a Plebeian Aedile next year.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou
> > > ps.com, Robert Levee <galerius_of_ rome@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Salve,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Section IV Magistrates
> > >
> > > > 　
> > >
> > > > A. Should an office in mid-term become vacant and
> > > suitable candidates be at hand, an election shall be held in
> > > the appropriate comitia to elect a successor to serve out
> > > the remainder of the term within thirty days of the vacancy.
> > > Should one of the ordinarii be found to be derelict in his
> > > duties, that magistrate may be removed by a law originating
> > > in the comitia that elected him. Elections of the ordinarii
> > > shall take place no later than December 15th, and
> > > newly-elected officials shall assume their offices on
> > > January 1st. Exceptions to these provisions regarding
> > > elections may be found in section V of this Constitution.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Valete
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, M.C.C. <complutensis@ ...>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > From: M.C.C. <complutensis@ ...>
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: AW: [Nova-Roma] Tribuni Plebis take
> > > over their office on December 10th
> > >
> > > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou
> > > ps.com
> > >
> > > > > Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 2:47 AM
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> > > > > Salvete
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > > > > can somebody provide sources that support the
> > > take over the
> > >
> > > > > office of
> > >
> > > > > the Tribunes in the 1st of January?
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus took office of
> > > Tribunus Plebis
> > >
> > > > > on December
> > >
> > > > > 10th of the year 134.
> > >
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> > > > > Valete
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> > > > > M.C. Complutensis
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> > > > > Titus Flavius Aquila escribió:
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> > > > > Salvete Quirites,
> > >
> > > > >  
> > >
> > > > > as a former tribune I fully support the
> > > tradition of
> > >
> > > > > our
> > >
> > > > > ancestors and the practice in Nova Roma, that our
> > > Tribunes
> > >
> > > > > take over
> > >
> > > > > the office on the 10th of December each year.
> > >
> > > > >  
> > >
> > > > > This is the way it should be done and I would
> > > like
> > >
> > > > > to see to be
> > >
> > > > > followed through.
> > >
> > > > >  
> > >
> > > > > I will not support a change of this.
> > >
> > > > >  
> > >
> > > > > Valete bene
> > >
> > > > > Titus Flavius Aquila
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> > > > > Von:
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> > > > > petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@ yahoo. fr>
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > An:
> > >
> > > > > Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Gesendet:
> > >
> > > > > Dienstag,
> > >
> > > > > den 17. November 2009, 7:44:16 Uhr
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Betreff:
> > >
> > > > > [Nova-Roma]
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> > > > > Re: Jan or Dec
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> > > > > C. Petronius Ti Paulino s.p.d.,
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> > > > > > No. Unconstitutional is unconstitutional no
> > > matter how
> > >
> > > > > long it
> > >
> > > > > take us to discover we are doing something wrong.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > So if it was unconstitutionnal, why nobody said
> > > nothing 3
> > >
> > > > > times? If I
> > >
> > > > > have a retrospective look, I see that on the year
> > > of the
> > >
> > > > > consuls C.
> > >
> > > > > Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia Strabo,
> > > id est on
> > >
> > > > > 2759 auc,
> > >
> > > > > the entire college of the tribunes of the Plebs,
> > > all the 5
> > >
> > > > > tribunes of
> > >
> > > > > this time, ended together their function on
> > > december 9th.
> > >
> > > > > After that
> > >
> > > > > all the tribunes had a tribunician year to
> > > dec./10 till
> > >
> > > > > dec.09. Without
> > >
> > > > > any obstruction.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > So you want to be right against everybody. Why?
> > > What is
> > >
> > > > > your sudden
> > >
> > > > > interest in this tribunician year? You made
> > > things
> > >
> > > > > unconstitutionally,
> > >
> > > > > for example adding new senators on your own and
> > > one
> > >
> > > > > arbitrary, but
> > >
> > > > > there was obstruction against your
> > > unconstitutional act. It
> > >
> > > > > was a good
> > >
> > > > > reaction.
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> > > > > When the tribunes hold, three times, their
> > > function
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> > > > > according the mos
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> > > > > maiorum on dec. 10 th nobody made obstruction.
> > >
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> > > > > So why you who follows the Constitution as you
> > > want,
> > >
> > > > > according to your
> > >
> > > > > arbitrary, suddenly you are opponent to the mos
> > > maiorum
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> > > > > followed 3
> > >
> > > > > times? Without obstruction by anybody. And made
> > > the first
> > >
> > > > > time by all
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> > > > > the tribunes together?
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> > > > > What is your real ulterior motive?
> > >
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> > > > > I remind you that during the 3 years of this
> > > so-called
> > >
> > > > > unconstitutionality you were Praetor (2759),
> > > Consul!!!
> > >
> > > > > (2760), Censor
> > >
> > > > > (2761)... so, please, it is very strange that you
> > > claim to
> > >
> > > > > the
> > >
> > > > > Constitution only now. Apparently this Tribunes
> > > problem was
> > >
> > > > > not your
> > >
> > > > > before but it is now... say us, please, the real
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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XIII Kalendas Decembris; haec dies fastus est.

"Fabius immediately summoned his troops to assembly, and appealed to
them to show the same courage with which they had defended the
republic from a brave and determined foe in protecting from the
unrestrained ferocity of the Dictator the man under whose auspices and
generalship they had been victorious. He was coming, maddened by
jealousy, exasperated at another man's merits and good fortune,
furious because the republic had triumphed in his absence. If it were
in his power to change the fortune of the day, he would rather that
victory rested with the Samnites than with the Romans. He kept talking
about the contempt of orders as though the reason why he forbade all
fighting were not precisely the same as that which makes him vexed now
that we have fought. Then, prompted by jealousy, he wanted to suppress
the merits of others and deprive of their arms men who were most eager
to use them, so as to prevent their being employed in his absence; now
he is exasperated and furious because the soldiers were not crippled
or defenceless though L. Papirius was not with them, and because Q.
Fabius considered himself Master of the Horse and not the lacquey of
the Dictator. What would he have done if, as often happens amid the
chances of war, the battle had gone against us, seeing that now, after
the enemy has been thoroughly defeated and a victory won for the
republic which even under his unrivalled generalship could not have
been more complete, he is actually menacing the Master of the Horse
with punishment! He would, were it in his power, treat all with equal
severity, not only the Master of Horse but the military tribunes, the
centurions, the men of the rank and file. Jealousy, like lightning,
strikes the summits, and because he cannot reach all he has selected
one man as his victim whom he regards as the chief conspirator-your
general. If he should succeed in crushing him and quenching the
splendour of his success, he will treat this army as a victor treats
the vanquished and with the same ruthlessness which he has been
allowed to practice on the Master of the Horse. In defending his cause
they will be defending the liberty of all. If the Dictator sees that
the army is as united in guarding its victory as it was in fighting
for it, and that one man's safety is the common concern of all, he
will bring himself to a calmer frame of mind. His closing words were:
'I entrust my fortunes and my life to your fidelity and courage.' His
words were greeted with universal shouts of approval. They told him
not to be dismayed or depressed, no man should harm him while the
legions of Rome were alive." - Livy, History of Rome 8.31




NON-ROMAN HISTORICAL DATE INFORMATION


On this day in AD 1492, Christopher Columbus discovered Puerto Rico.


Today is the National Holiday of the Principality of Monaco. Hercules
was said to have passed through the area, and the founders of the
nearby Greek colony, the Phoceans, built him a "single temple"
("monoikos") to commemorate the event.

Monaco was re-founded in AD 1215 as a colony of Genoa, but has been
ruled by the House of Grimaldi since 1297, when Francois Grimaldi
seized the fortress protecting the famous rock while dressed up as a
Franciscan monk ("monaco" in Italian); the only exception to this was
from 1793 to 1814, when Monaco was under French control. Designated as
a protectorate of Sardinia from 1815 until 1860 by the Congress of
Vienna, Monaco's sovereignty was recognised by the Franco-Monegasque
Treaty of 1861. The Prince of Monaco was an absolute ruler until a
constitution was promulgated in 1911. In July 1918, a treaty was
signed providing for limited French protection over Monaco. The
treaty, written into the Treaty of Versailles, established that
Monegasque policy would be aligned with French political, military,
and economic interests.

Prince Rainier III acceded to the throne following the death of his
grandfather, Prince Louis II, in 1949. A new constitution, proclaimed
in 1962, abolished capital punishment, provided for female suffrage,
and established a Supreme Court to guarantee fundamental liberties. In
1993, Monaco became an official member of the United Nations with full
voting rights. In 2002, a new treaty between France and Monaco
clarifies that if there are no heirs to carry on the dynasty, the
Principality will remain an independent nation rather than revert to
the French. Monaco's military defense, however, is still the
responsibility of France.


Valete bene!

Cato

I will endorse these candidates.

However, I view the team of Maior and Laeca more as the twin attacks of an onager and a ballista; the former kicks up its back end to deliver a shotgun effect and the latter shoots a straight, powerful bolt that pierces its target. Both are still deadly.

Aureliane

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Maior,
>
> You're very welcome, the team of Maior and Laeca is a win-win for our Nova Roma!
>
> Vale optime,
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > maximas gratias Aquila
> > vale
> > Maior
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Aquilae s.d.
> > >
> > > Sincere thanks for your endorsement, amica. :-)
> > >
> > > Vale bene,
> > >
> > >
> > > Albucius
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > L. Iulia Aquila Omnibus S.P.D.
> > > >
> > > > I may be a simple citizen of no particular status but I must endorse the following candidates:
> > > >
> > > > Censor: Titus Iulius Sabinus.
> > > > Sabinus has given me support in Nova Roma from day one. He has support my Religio initiatives and has always been available to me when I have needed it. He also extends the same hand to others. We are so fortunate to have this strong Roman and his family, all of the highest virtues, amongst us.
> > > > He has proved successful in every position he has held in Nova Roma, and if you are not familiar with him take a look in the Album Civium and be prepared to be amazed at the dedication and hard work that is in his Vitae.
> > > > There is no one who is more qualified than Titus Iulius Sabinus for Censor.
> > > >
> > > > Consuls: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and Publius Memmius Albucius.
> > > > There is no one on par with Quintilianus he is well experienced for this job and a high standard of excellence is a hall mark of his Consulship year as it is with any office or initiative in his impressive and highly respected association with Nova Roma. I have come to know him and will put my trust in this honorable hard working citizen.
> > > > I have worked well with Albucius in the past year; he is hard working and has an incredible grasp of Nova Roman law and also the history of Ancient Rome. He is well organized, consistent and dedicated.
> > > > Both citizens are personable and listen to the concerns of Nova Romans citizens.
> > > > The team of Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and Publius Memmius Albucius will unite Nova Roma through cooperation and teamwork and with their team we will see progress for our Res Publica.
> > > >
> > > > Praetrices: Equestria Iunia Laeca and Marca Hortensia Maior
> > > > Both these fine citizens I have had the pleasure of working with – hard work and dedication solely with our Nova Roma in their hearts. This is a team that well compliments each other's strengths.
> > > > Laeca's wisdom, knowledge, logic and even temperament makes her the very best candidate for this position. I know what the job entails having worked in the cohors for the past year and we need someone as fair and honest as she with and excellent grasp of Nova Roma and Macronational law.
> > > > Maior's passion and dedication is above par. Everything she does is done selflessly for Nova Roma – and for this I admire her greatly. She is a strong independent candidate who may argue a point in defense of Nova Roma and its many aspects but she exercises her right to an opinion in a selfless manner for Nova Roma which often result in a compromise and cooperation in the interest of the res publica.
> > > > The team of Equestria Iunia Laeca and Marca Hortensia Maior will serve Nova Roma and her citizens in the best way possible; the other candidates fall short in comparison.
> > > >
> > > > Curule Aedile: Titus Flavius Aquila and Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus
> > > > Both hard working, dedicated and honest citizens. It is my extreme pleasure to have worked with Aquila and I know we shall have games in 2010 as long as he is Aedile! Placidus and I have had had a few very pleasant and even humorous exchanges and he is well thought of by many and of course myself.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rogator: P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> > > > I have had the extreme pleasure of working with him as diribitrix suffecta, he is a kind man and a good man a trustworthy loyal citizen and professional beyond compare. Thank you Venator for a very pleasant experience I am not soon to forget.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Diribitor: M. Arminius Maior
> > > > Although I do not know Maior very well, but I have had the pleasure of a couple of exchanges and he is highly thought of. What I do know is that he can be counted on. He is honest, loyal and committed to Nova Roma – and he has my support.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am running out of time so I will be brief and state my support for the following, all I think well of:
> > > >
> > > > Quaestor: Aula Arria Carina and Gaia Maria Caeca. The others I do not know but will come to a decision based on enquiries.
> > > >
> > > > Custos: Lucia Livia Plauta and Emilia Curia Finnica. Plauta is one of the most trustworthy citizens I know, determined, intelligent and strong and a good match for Custos.
> > > >
> > > > Aedilis Plebis: Appius Galerius Aurelianus. A truly nice man who holds Rome in his heart and will give his all to Nova Roma and serve her and her plebes well.
> > > >
> > > > Tribunus Plebis: What can I say, they are all magnificent! All fine Romans and I an honored to know them:
> > > > Gaius Curius Saturninus – thank you for you patience during my wonderful experience at AT:)
> > > > Marcus Octavius Corvus – a dedicated cultore that achieves what others only dream about. He and his family live the Roman life.
> > > > Gaius Petronius Dexter -a Latinist who assists citizens in bettering themselves, many times through humor. Thank you Dexter.
> > > > Gaius Aquillius Rota – The procurator of Austrorientalis, he and his family are actually living the Roman life, and participates in Roman activities daily. I have nothing but praise for him.
> > > > Maxima Valeria Messalina – Our Virgo Maxima and a fine caring citizen who keeps the flame of Nova Roma in her heart.
> > > >
> > > > Vale optimé,
> > > >
> > > > Julia
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Cato Aureliano sal.

You seem to not understand the basics of the question, Aurelianus, in your haste to say something negative about me.

The Constitution mandates that magistrates take office on the Kalends of Ianuarius: "Elections of the ordinarii shall take place no later than December 15th, and newly-elected officials shall assume their offices on January 1st."(Const. N.R. IV.A)

The lex Vedia de tribunis amended the Constitution and clearly states that tribunes shall serve for one year: "Five tribunes of the plebs shall be elected by the comitia plebis tributa to serve a term lasting one year." (lex Ved. de trib. 7)

The current tribunes took office on a.d. IV Id. Decembris (10 December) in accordance with ancient tradition, even though this violated the Constitution's mandate for the Kalends of Ianuarius.

So either the current tribunes stay in office until the Constitutionally-mandated date *or* the new tribunes take office on the expiration of the current tribunes' office - a.d. IV Id. Dec. Either way, the Constitution is being violated.

This is why I originally suggested a senatus consultum ultimam to fix the problem.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick O" <brotherpaganus@...> wrote:
>
> Cato, if you are elected (which I doubt) you can try to fix NR the way you want it fixed in your lovely little world of shall-shall land.
>
> I still encourage the citizens of Nova Roma not to elect you to any office.
>
> The newly elected plebeian magistrates need to take office on 10 December and let them begin the process to amend the Constitution so that IV Idus becomes both the historic and Constitutional date for their installation next year.
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Petronio Dextero Galerii SPD
> >
> > The most direct way to solve this is, again, to have the Senate empower the consuls to suspend the clause in the Constitution which states that the tribunes will take office on the Kalends of Ianuarius, using a sentaus consultum ultimam.
> >
> > This way the tribunes currently in office can step down at the legal time and the tribunes elected by the People can legally take up office on the ancient customary date; then, at any time during their time in office any of these tribunes can suggest amending the law to reflect correct (i.e., ancient and customary) practice.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato

There is nothing I enjoy more than reading a good, informative post from Pompeia Minucia Tiberia. I have missed her on the ML.

Aureliane

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia" <scriba_forum@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Lentulus, Salvete Omnes:
>
> You may not like this, but.....
>
> Upon your invitation I looked at this article and there are errors and misleading statements which have been contributed by NR citizens. I note that you are a frequent contributor, Lentulus. The article, for better or for worse has changed quite a bit.
>
> Plain and simple. If an article is not correct or poorly referenced, it will be challenged by those who are attempting to keep Wikipedia credible. Some of these people might be former citizens on Nova Roma who are advocates of Wikipedia. I know Octavius was one, and that is why he thought it would be good for NR.
> You will note in the edit history of the NR article that Octavius defended NR against a whimsical comment that somebody was going to take our laurel wreath trademark, reminding them that it was trademarked. What you might consider a recent attempt at Wiki destruction by a former citizen just might be an attempt to keep the Wikipedia clean.
>
> The history and discussion logs show objections/deletions of some items on the basis of insufficient citations, namely NR list posts, to which not everyone has access, or would care to have to join to access the references.
>
> It kind of hurts to be equated with 'Sailor Moon' by one critic :( (or :) depending on your sense of humour), but if we don't reference ourselves accordingly, we might look like an animation.
>
> Some of your contributions, Lentulus, have been challenged on the basis of it looking like nothing more than advertising. The log is ever there....
>
> One current, unsubstantiated statement is our active citizen role being 1000 since Jan. 2009. There is no citation for this; furthermore, our last Census was done in 2007 ( it was indicated in this forum that our 2009 census is not yet finished). So, the Census report,if make public on our website, would be a good reference, given that our database is not an appropriate public citation (good!) but still we would need to correct our current Wikipedia statement to reflect the data from Census 2007.
>
> Here's another interesting, and somewhat disturbing ditty, which might appear as hemi-truthed sensationalism to those in NR, but it might equally be adopted as complete truth to the general public:
>
> To quote:
>
> ""In April 2009, there was some controversy regarding the project[discussing the Magna Mater Project], as one of the directors of Nova Roma, Robert Woolwine, claimed that it was being investigated for potential wire fraud; in response the project's website had been taken down, and one of Nova Roma's magistrates had issued a decree demanding that it be put back up.[10] Its ultimate fate has remained uncertain as of July 2009.""
>
> The reference (10) given for the above statement is mainlist post #63313 which doesn't mention Robert Woolwine at all...it displays the written, official decision of Curule Aedile Gn Iulius Caesar, acting on his imperium, to suspend the MM website on the basis of legal considerations ie wire fraud, and the Praetor Memmius vetoing same (with an edict not a *decree*). Reading the 'reference' post #63313, I might think that Robert Woolwine was the author of the edict being discussed, but when you scroll down, it is clearly signed Gn Iulius Caesar. Further, my understanding is that a majority of Board of Directors/Senators, not just Robert Woolwine BoD, approved the suspension on the basis of data the Curule Aedile presented. Am I wrong here?
>
> So why does the author take care to suggest blame soley on one of the board of directors? Is there a citation for this?
>
> Dear author, if you do not like Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (Robert Woolwine) this is fine, and others quite apparently agree with you; but when half truth, misleading information is published on our website, it tarnishes the credibility of the whole organization. It is difficult for me to believe that this was written objectively, and in true thought for NR. Sulla is only one board of director...he cannot make any manner of official action on behalf of NR without being part of a majority of Board of Directors/Senators.
>
> So, if I, say I was still Senatrix, brought up something before the Senate, and you didn't like the idea or didn't like me personally, but the Senate nonetheless supported my idea officially, you could paint me in a jaded light on the Wikipedia article? I didn't think the Senate debates were open to nonsenators... I don't think this has changed.
> How can the statement on the Wikipedia be considered true in the offical sense when the author doesn't have privy to the Senate debates?
>
> We need to keep the senationalism and the gossip hen stuff away from public eyes. And yes, we need more appropriate citations.
>
> So, when people consider the entire article for deletion, who can blame them?
>
> Proposed solution:
>
> Perhaps the Senate should approve a baseline article, and approve any subsequent edits in the interests of correctness and general appropriateness of content. Then the webmaster can carry out the Senate's instructions. This will ensure that the republic's best interests are kept in mind.
>
> It was an interesting read, our current article, for sure. Unlike Lentulus, I'm not going to get upset about anyone else who challenges the content, and those who might suggest deletion.
>
>
>
> Valete,and with some disappointment and confusion.
> Pompeia
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@> wrote:
> >
> > Lentulus magister aranearius omnibus sal.
> >
> >
> > Earlier this year we faced a similar problem, but now it is more serious.
> >
> > Matt Huck, in his Roman name M. Octavius Gracchus proposed the Nova Roma Wikipedia article for deletion.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nova_Roma
> >
> > Please vote for keeping and save our republic's article on Wikipedia.
> >
> > Also, if you are a Wikipedia editor, please help to improve the Nova Roma article on the Wikipedia by adding references and editing the article!
> >
> >
> > VÍVAT NOVA RÓMA PROSPERRIMÉ!
> >
>

Cato Aureliano sal.

This is also why I said in the Senate:

"Cato omnibus in Senatu SPD

I don't give a damn whether or not any of you like me but by the gods this kind of response - and Maior's idiotic ideas about corporate law (remember the "it's OK to break the law because the ancient Romans did" fiasco?) - is exactly what is making Nova Roma the stagnant pool of wastefulness that she is becoming.

Now we can get off our collective asses and attempt to address a problem with a legal, reasonable solution for a change or we can follow our usual course and continue this idiotic train of what passes for thought in these two.

Can we for once think about what will SERVE THE RESPUBLICA instead of our petty grasping egos?"

To which, of course, the answer has been...silence. Apparently to the current government it is more of a service to the Respublica to simply ignore problems because of a dislike for me than to step up and actually *do* anything to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

Vale,

Cato

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit

Maybe there is silence because you do not have the respect from others that you so desperately want and seem to need.  Respect is important for a would-be magistrate and you do not have it.  People are tired of your rants, and attitude.  We are tired of it and we do not care what you have to say.  You have made yourself irrelevant.  Now rest within your grave or irrelevance and enjoy the silence -- seems that is all you have.

Vale;

Modianus

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

 

Cato Aureliano sal.

This is also why I said in the Senate:

"Cato omnibus in Senatu SPD

I don't give a damn whether or not any of you like me but by the gods this kind of response - and Maior's idiotic ideas about corporate law (remember the "it's OK to break the law because the ancient Romans did" fiasco?) - is exactly what is making Nova Roma the stagnant pool of wastefulness that she is becoming.

Now we can get off our collective asses and attempt to address a problem with a legal, reasonable solution for a change or we can follow our usual course and continue this idiotic train of what passes for thought in these two.

Can we for once think about what will SERVE THE RESPUBLICA instead of our petty grasping egos?"

To which, of course, the answer has been...silence. Apparently to the current government it is more of a service to the Respublica to simply ignore problems because of a dislike for me than to step up and actually *do* anything to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

Vale,

Cato

QED

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
>
> Maybe there is silence because you do not have the respect from others that
> you so desperately want and seem to need. Respect is important for a
> would-be magistrate and you do not have it. People are tired of your rants,
> and attitude. We are tired of it and we do not care what you have to say.
> You have made yourself irrelevant. Now rest within your grave or
> irrelevance and enjoy the silence -- seems that is all you have.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato Aureliano sal.
> >
> > This is also why I said in the Senate:
> >
> > "Cato omnibus in Senatu SPD
> >
> > I don't give a damn whether or not any of you like me but by the gods this
> > kind of response - and Maior's idiotic ideas about corporate law (remember
> > the "it's OK to break the law because the ancient Romans did" fiasco?) - is
> > exactly what is making Nova Roma the stagnant pool of wastefulness that she
> > is becoming.
> >
> > Now we can get off our collective asses and attempt to address a problem
> > with a legal, reasonable solution for a change or we can follow our usual
> > course and continue this idiotic train of what passes for thought in these
> > two.
> >
> > Can we for once think about what will SERVE THE RESPUBLICA instead of our
> > petty grasping egos?"
> >
> > To which, of course, the answer has been...silence. Apparently to the
> > current government it is more of a service to the Respublica to simply
> > ignore problems because of a dislike for me than to step up and actually
> > *do* anything to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
>

Salve Cato,

Cato <catoinnyc@...> writes:

> To which, of course, the answer has been...silence.

Possibly because some of us don't read the Senate list when the Senate
isn't in session. Largely due to the nonsense that gets propagated
there by yourself and others.

> Apparently to the current government it is more of a service to the
> Respublica to simply ignore problems because of a dislike for me
> than to step up and actually *do* anything to protect and defend
> the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I happen to know that the current government is working on a solution.
It even bears some resemblance to the one you've recommended. Maybe
you should stop acting like you're the center of the Nova Roman
universe.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Cato Marino sal.

For all the arrogant condescension, at least a reply is evidence of life.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Cato,
>
> Cato <catoinnyc@...> writes:
>
> > To which, of course, the answer has been...silence.
>
> Possibly because some of us don't read the Senate list when the Senate
> isn't in session. Largely due to the nonsense that gets propagated
> there by yourself and others.
>
> > Apparently to the current government it is more of a service to the
> > Respublica to simply ignore problems because of a dislike for me
> > than to step up and actually *do* anything to protect and defend
> > the Constitution of Nova Roma.
>
> I happen to know that the current government is working on a solution.
> It even bears some resemblance to the one you've recommended. Maybe
> you should stop acting like you're the center of the Nova Roman
> universe.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

Salvete omnes,

I exist! Not only do I exist, according to the Album civium, I can, and
did, vote! Thanks yet again to Agricola, who, one day, will get tired of
rescuing me and tell me to sink or swim on my own. Meanwhile, as always, I
very much appreciate his help. It was his little hint that worked, that and
trying every possible email I've *ever* used, LOL, until I got the right
one. At any rate, it's rather comforting to know that I really am ...real!
(grin).

C. Maria Caeca

Agricola Caecae Omnibusque sal.

It is always a pleasure to help you, and I am happy that you were able to find your page and vote.


For the benefit of everyone who has a bio page on our website, and I know that not everyone does (basically, if you have been elected to an office or have ever held a priesthood you have a page), there is another route that I neglected to mention before.

Near the top of each bio page you'll see a link that says "The only official record is in the Album Civium". That link goes to the corresponding Album Civium page.

optime vale, et valete Omnes, in cura deorum Romanorum

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I exist! Not only do I exist, according to the Album civium, I can, and
> did, vote! Thanks yet again to Agricola, who, one day, will get tired of
> rescuing me and tell me to sink or swim on my own. Meanwhile, as always, I
> very much appreciate his help. It was his little hint that worked, that and
> trying every possible email I've *ever* used, LOL, until I got the right
> one. At any rate, it's rather comforting to know that I really am ...real!
> (grin).
>
> C. Maria Caeca
>

C. Petronius M. Lucretio amico s.p.d.,

> For the benefit of everyone who has a bio page on our website,

By the way, I have written my statement as tribunus Plebis candidate, but it did not is link with the election page near my name into the cas 'statement'... message #71885 on this main list:


--------------------------
Here, fellow citizens, my statement of candidacy.

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Latine version :

Candidatus ego, C. Petronius Dexter, vobis, Plebeiis Quiritibus, pronuntio me tribunatum Plebis ambiturum esse. Ab ante diem IV Idus Decembres eius anni ad ante diem V Idus Decembres anni venturi, qui Bis millesimus septingentesimus sexagesimus tertius annus Vrbis conditae erit. (MMDCCLXIII) .

C. Petronius Dexter mihi nomen est, Gallus natione, quinquaginta annos natus, civis optimo iure ab ante diem VI kalendas Martias M. Moravio T. Julio consulibus, assiduus, Arcoiali, in oppido prope Lutetiam Parisiorum, in Gallia Provincia incolo, in Gallica Nationali Ferriviaria Societate quæstum facio, in qua a Bis millesimo septingentisimo tricesimo quinto anno varia negotia habui. Non sum tepidus Plebeius.

Novæ Romæ, Plebeio ordine, et a viginti et tres mensibus civis sum.

Ecce civilia munera quibus fungor:

M. Tulliæ Scholasticæ rogatricis scriba,
K. Fabii Buteonis Modiani censoris scriba,
Francogallico Interprete.

Religioso munere, mihi satis iuvat Flaminem Portunalem esse a kalendis Octobribus, Bis millesimo septingentesimo sexagesimo primo anno.

Ineunte anno, quæstor creatus sum et quæstor Cn. Equitii Marini Prætoris fui, cui profui quantum potui , sed, cum magno consilio motus tribunatum Plebis ambire vellem ut Rei Publicæ servirem, me Tribunus Plebis Fl. Galerius Aurelianus certiorem fecit Novas Romanas regulas non sinere ut eius anni magistratus tribunatum Plebis peterem, itaque rogavi an Cn. Equitius Marinus prætor concederet me quæstura abdicare atque, Cn. Marino libente, mihi licet tribunatum Plebis petam.

Tribunus Plebis enim magistratus magni momenti præcipuusque est, Plebeio ordini serviendi causa. Plebeiumque ordinem maxime curo. Itaque ego ipse magnopere caveam de edictis et legum propositis, quae in annum futurum magistratus cum imperio coram nobis edant, ne Plebs civitatis indolisque hilum amittat.

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English version:

I, C. Petronius Dexter, don my toga candida to say you, Plebeian Quirites, that I am candidate for the Tribunatus Plebis for the tribunician year, from December 10th 2762 to December 9th 2763.

My name is Gaius Petronius Dexter, French, 50 years old and full citizen since February 25, 2761/2008, under the consuls M. Moravius Piscinus and T. Julius Sabinus, assiduus. I live in Gallia Provincia, in the neighbourhood of Lutetia Parisiorum (more commonly called Paris). I am working in the French National Railway Company in which, since 1982, I had different jobs. I am not a lukewarm Plebeian.

In Nova Roma, I am of the Plebeian order and citizen since 23 months.

Here my current civilian functions :

M. Tulliae Scholasticae rogatricis scriba,
K. Fabii Buteonis Modiani censoris scriba,
Interpreter.

As religious function, I am Flamen Portunalis since October 1st, 2761/2008.

I was elected quaestor for this year and I was the quaestor of the prætor Cn. Equitius Marinus, whose I served, as best I could, but as I wanted to be candidate for the Tribunatus Plebis, in which I hope to serve the Res Publica more politically, I learnt by the current Tribune of the Plebs Fl. Galerius Aurelianus, that it was not allowed by Nova Roman rules to stand for tribunus Plebis being current magistrate, so I begged the agreement of Cn. Equitius Marinus to resign my position of quæstor, and as he was favourable to my resignation, I can stand for Tribunus Plebis.

A tribunus Plebis is a position key to serve the Plebeian order and I have care of the Plebeian order, it is the order of mine. So if I am elected, I will pay attention to the edicta, the proposition of laws which magistrates having imperium will propose in order to avoid that the Plebeians left a scrap of their identity.

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French version :

Je, C. Petronius Dexter, me présente devant vous drapé dans ma candida toga pour vous annoncer que je suis candidat pour le tribunat de la Plèbe, pour l'année tribunicienne du 10 décembre 2762 au 9 décembre 2763.

Je m'appelle Gaius Petronius Dexter, je suis Français, j'ai 50 ans, j'ai la pleine citoyenneté Nova Romaine depuis le 25 février 2761/2008, sous le consulat de M. Moravius Piscinus et T. Julius Sabinus, je paie mes impôts, je vis dans la province de Gallia, non loin de Lutèce Parisiorum (plus communément appelée Paris). Je travaille à la SNCF depuis 1982 où j'ai fait divers métiers. Je ne suis pas un plébeien tiède.

A Nova Roma, je suis de la classe plébeienne et citoyen depuis 23 mois.

Mes fonctions civiles actuelles:

Scribe de la rogatrice M. Tullia Scholastiqca,
Scribe du censeur K. Fabius Buteo Modianus,
Traducteur.

Fonction religieuse: flamine de Portunus depuis le 1er octobre 2761/2008.

Au début de cette année j'ai été élu quaestor et je fus le quaestor du praetor Cn. Equitius Marinus, que j'ai servi du mieux que j'ai pu, mais comme je voulais être candidat pour le tribunat de la Plèbe, j'ai été informé par le tribun de la plèbe en fonction Fl. Galerius Aurelianus que les règles de Nova Roma ne permettaient pas de briguer le tribunat de la Plèbe en étant soi-même magistrat, aussi j'ai demandé au praetor Cn. Equitius Marinus s'il était d'accord pour que je démissionne de ma fonction de quaestor, ayant obtenu son aval, je peux concourir pour le tribunat de la Plèbe.

Tribun de la Plèbe est un poste clé pour servir la classe des Plébéiens et je m'intéresse à cette classe sociale, ma classe sociale. Ainsi si je suis élu, je porterai toute mon attention sur les édits, les propositions de loi que feront les magistrats avec imperium en vue d'éviter que la classe des Plébéiens ne perde une miette de son identité.

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Prospere vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Candidate for Tribunus Plebis.

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus simus.

Hodie est ante diem XII Decembris; haec dies comitialis est: Supplicatio Opi.

"O eternal Creatrix of Gods and men, who animates forest and stream with soul, and joins seeds of life together throughout the world, and You bear the stones of Pyrrha that were enlivened into men by the hand of Prometheus. Hungry men You were first to give nourishment with a variety of foods. You encircle and carry the sea within You. Under Your power are the gentleness of domesticated herds and the ferocity of wild beasts and the repose from flight of birds. Firm and immobile, unsetting power of the earth suspended in the vacuum of space, You are the center around which the rapid heavens revolve. All the heavenly bodies, in chariots of fire, wheel about You, O center of the universe, indivisible from the Great Brotherhood of the Gods. Therefore are You the Bountiful who nourishes so many nations, and at the same time so many high cities and so many noble peoples. . . . May You joyously grant, I pray, that I may come to know You in my prayers, that You may council me on the heavens and give true warnings from Your prophetic altars, and that You may teach me what You are prepared to reveal to people." ~ Statius, Thebiad 8.303-38

At this time of year it is proper to offer a supplicatio to Ops as Mother Earth for all that She provides to us in our daily lives. A supplicatio is a giving of thanks. In the countryside this time of year would generally be an interval between the second and third plowings of the fields. A supplicatio might be made with no more than piled turf as an altar, built in the fields, with offerings of new herbs and perhaps some root crops discovered during the plowing. The practice of offering thanks to Mother Earth, as Ops or as Tellus, continued well into the 13th century where the Precatio Terrae could still be found in herbals. This particular pray was said to have been written by Antonius Musa, who was physician to Augustus Caesar.

"Holy Goddess, Tellus, Mother of all Nature, engendering all things and regenerating them each day, as You alone bring forth from Your womb all things into life.

"Heavenly Goddess, overseeing all things on earth and throughout the seas, in whatever by silent nature is restored in sleep and in death, in the same way that You put to flight the Night with the Light You restore each day.

"Earth, Enricher of Life, You dispel the dark shadow of death and the disorder of vast endless Chaos. You hold back the winds and storms, the rain showers and tempests. You alone regulate the weather cycles, either bestirring or putting to flight the storm, interspersing them with cheerful days.

"You give the Food of Life unfailingly, in fidelity, and when the soul by necessity departs, in You alone do we find refuge. Thus, whatever You give, in You all will be returned. Deservedly are You called Great Mother of the Gods. Piously then are all the celestial powers distilled in You. The One and True parent of all living things, human and divine. Without You nothing could be born, nothing could grow, and nothing mature.

"You are the Great Goddess, the Queen of Heaven, You, Goddess, I adore. I call upon Your power, come. Make what I ask to be readily and easily accomplished, and draw my thanks, Mother Earth, that, in fidelity, You do rightly merit

"Hear me, please, and favor me. This I ask of You, Holy Mother, and may You willingly give answer to me: May whatever herbs grow by Your providence bring health to all humankind. May You now send these forth to me as Your medicines. May they be filled with Your healing virtues. May everything that I prepare from these herbs have good result, each and every one in the same way. As I shall receive these herbs from You, so too shall I willingly give them out to others, so that their health too may be ensured through Your good graces. Finally, Mother Earth, ensure Your healing powers for me as well. This I humbly ask."


AUC 1023 / 270 CE: Birth of Maximinus Daia.

A nephew of Emperor Galerius, Maximinus was raised to the position of Caesar in 305 CE when Diocletian and Maximianus abdicated. He was given Oriens Parish (Syria and Egypt) as his province to rule. A fervent cultor Deorum who was to reorganize the religio in his region, he continued the policies of Diocletianus towards the Christians and Jews. In 308 CE, contrary to the tetrarchy, Galerius raised Licinius as his co-Augustus over Maximinus Daia and Constantinus. With the victory of Constantinus over Maxentius at the Milvian Bridge in 312 CE, The balance of the tetrarchy was upset. That winter Maximinus Daia moved against his rival Licinius in an attempt at a surprise campaign while Constantinus was preoccuppied on the Rhine. By 1 May 313 CE Maximinus was defeated and fled back to Tarsus, where he was besieged and eventually died of disease in August.


Today's thought comes from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 7.18

"Is any man afraid of change? Why what can take place without change? What then is more pleasing or more suitable to the universal nature? And canst thou take a bath unless the wood undergoes a change? And canst thou be nourished, unless the food undergoes a change? And can anything else that is useful be accomplished without change? Dost thou not see then that for thyself also to change is just the same, and equally necessary for the universal nature?"

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

>
> C. Petronius M. Lucretio amico s.p.d.,
>
> > For the benefit of everyone who has a bio page on our website,
>
> By the way, I have written my statement as tribunus Plebis candidate, but it did not is link with the election page near my name into the cas 'statement'... message #71885 on this main list:
>
>

factum est.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLXII_%28Nova_Roma%29/Gaius_Petronius_Dexter

optime vale

Agricola

Agricola custos Omnibus SPD.

Please know that the diribitores completed the raw count of the interim results of the first class centuries, including cross-checking, in good time. The custodes are now tie-breaking the interim results and a report should be available here shortly.

Many thanks to the diribitores, Paula Corva Gaudialis and M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus for their continuing hard work, and to you, fellow citizens, for your patience.

optime valete in cura deorum

Salvete,

I would like to stress that Paula has continued to be available and for this I am grateful!

Valete,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcus.lucretius" <marcus.lucretius@...> wrote:
>
> Agricola custos Omnibus SPD.
>
> Please know that the diribitores completed the raw count of the interim results of the first class centuries, including cross-checking, in good time. The custodes are now tie-breaking the interim results and a report should be available here shortly.
>
> Many thanks to the diribitores, Paula Corva Gaudialis and M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus for their continuing hard work, and to you, fellow citizens, for your patience.
>
> optime valete in cura deorum
>

Salve Valeria,
yes, photos! We want photos!
How about making an alternative NR calendar with the kittens' photos?

Vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maxima Valeria Messallina" <maximavaleriamessallina@..............>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma's Micine




<<--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@.........> wrote:
Salvete,

How are the kittens doing? Could we perhaps get an update on them? Again I
commend you for the task you have taken, I have just one eight month old
kitten one (Cara "Avalonne" Sophia) and she is just a bundle of chaotic
energy, I could not picture having six lol... Again much kudos to you!>>


Oh, how sweet! I'm sure she is just adorable! I love her name. :)

(Sorry for the delay in answering you, but I've been dealing with a death in
the family.)

All six kittens are doing fine. Caelius, Felix and Numa were neutered on
October 6th, and Diana, Palatina and Tullia were spayed on the 3rd of this
month; so that is all done. Whew! They all looked so cute in their little
blue surgery collars. I had to separate them during the two weeks after
their surgeries while their stitches healed. I put up a pen and when one
group was inside, the other three on the outside would spend most of the day
trying to figure out how to get inside the pen so they could be with their
littermates.

They are now about seven months old. Felix is the leader. Where he goes, the
rest follow; what he does, the rest want to do, too. Caelius just wants to
be held all the time. Numa is the most athletic and he has decided that it
is his mission in life to open everything he can - cupboards, boxes, the
mail. LOL

Diana is our princess. She likes nothing more than to sit on her favorite
pillow and watch Felix and Numa's antics. Tullia is very curious and likes
to watch everything I do. Palatina is the smallest and I suspect is the runt
of the litter. Poor little Palatina, being so small, she sometimes gets run
over by her bigger siblings when they all play and chase each other, but she
is a real trooper. She just gets back up and keeps on going!

Hopefully, one of these days I'll put some of their pictures up online.

Vale bene,

Maxima Valeria Messallina

Salve Maxima Valeria Messalina,

Could we all just go awwwwwww....Seven months now?  Oh wow, I bet they are so so cute...  But I'm you would agree how hard it is  to pick kitten names, it took a while for Avy, so I do thank you for the compliment. I've had Avalonne since she was two weeks old (also had her birth mother Athena Guenevere as well) and was present at her birth, I have been through every little growing stage with her... Isn't it amazing how fast they grow?  I can't wait to see pics of the fabulous six, and I hope they continue to thrive and be well....

If you ever just want to talk "Cat" err "Kitten", feel free to drop a e-mail sometime.


Vale Bene,
Aeternia

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

 

<<--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote: Salvete, How are the kittens doing?  Could we perhaps get an update on them?  Again I commend you for the task you have taken, I have just one eight month old kitten one (Cara "Avalonne" Sophia) and she is just a bundle of chaotic energy, I could not picture having six lol...  Again much kudos to you!>>   Oh, how sweet! I'm sure she is just adorable! I love her name. :)   (Sorry for the delay in answering you, but I've been dealing with a death in the family.)   All six kittens are doing fine. Caelius, Felix and Numa were neutered on October 6th, and Diana, Palatina and Tullia were spayed on the 3rd of this month; so that is all done. Whew! They all looked so cute in their little blue surgery collars. I had to separate them during the two weeks after their surgeries while their stitches healed. I put up a pen and when one group was inside, the other three on the outside would spend most of the day trying to figure out how to get inside the pen so they could be with their littermates.    They are now about seven months old. Felix is the leader. Where he goes, the rest follow; what he does, the rest want to do, too. Caelius just wants to be held all the time. Numa is the most athletic and he has decided that it is his mission in life to open everything he can - cupboards, boxes, the mail. LOL   Diana is our princess. She likes nothing more than to sit on her favorite pillow and watch Felix and Numa's antics. Tullia is very curious and likes to watch everything I do. Palatina is the smallest and I suspect is the runt of the litter. Poor little Palatina, being so small, she sometimes gets run over by her bigger siblings when they all play and chase each other, but she is a real trooper. She just gets back up and keeps on going!   Hopefully, one of these days I'll put some of their pictures up online.   Vale bene,   Maxima Valeria Messallina

Salve Livia, Valeria, et Omnes,

I think that is an awesome idea!  Now my question is would this be a printed calendar?  If so, proceeds could go towards the upkeep and maintenance of the fab six...  It would be NR's way of helping out our esteemed Vestal :-)

Also just expound on the idea for I have had a brainstorm... You know for local gatherings Valeria, you could always bring the kittens as well, if the provincia is doing a festival perhaps, set up a booth, it would be great publicity actually... For example when i resided in Colorado, I did volunteer work for local Wolfhound and Newfoundland (I know big gorgeous puppies), I assisted them at the Celtic/Renaissance Festivals, and the publicity and attention they recieved was amazing.... People will come and see small cute bundles of fur I've noticed..

Just a few of my thoughts..

Vale et Valete,
Aeternia

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...> wrote:

 

Salve Valeria,
yes, photos! We want photos!
How about making an alternative NR calendar with the kittens' photos?

Vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maxima Valeria Messallina" <maximavaleriamessallina@..............>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma's Micine

<<--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@.........> wrote:
Salvete,

How are the kittens doing? Could we perhaps get an update on them? Again I
commend you for the task you have taken, I have just one eight month old
kitten one (Cara "Avalonne" Sophia) and she is just a bundle of chaotic
energy, I could not picture having six lol... Again much kudos to you!>>

Oh, how sweet! I'm sure she is just adorable! I love her name. :)

(Sorry for the delay in answering you, but I've been dealing with a death in
the family.)

All six kittens are doing fine. Caelius, Felix and Numa were neutered on
October 6th, and Diana, Palatina and Tullia were spayed on the 3rd of this
month; so that is all done. Whew! They all looked so cute in their little
blue surgery collars. I had to separate them during the two weeks after
their surgeries while their stitches healed. I put up a pen and when one
group was inside, the other three on the outside would spend most of the day
trying to figure out how to get inside the pen so they could be with their
littermates.

They are now about seven months old. Felix is the leader. Where he goes, the
rest follow; what he does, the rest want to do, too. Caelius just wants to
be held all the time. Numa is the most athletic and he has decided that it
is his mission in life to open everything he can - cupboards, boxes, the
mail. LOL

Diana is our princess. She likes nothing more than to sit on her favorite
pillow and watch Felix and Numa's antics. Tullia is very curious and likes
to watch everything I do. Palatina is the smallest and I suspect is the runt
of the litter. Poor little Palatina, being so small, she sometimes gets run
over by her bigger siblings when they all play and chase each other, but she
is a real trooper. She just gets back up and keeps on going!

Hopefully, one of these days I'll put some of their pictures up online.

Vale bene,

Maxima Valeria Messallina

Below is the report as delivered by the custodes.

-Gualterus Graecus

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REPORT ABOUT THE TIE BREAKING CEREMONY AND INTERIM RESULTS OF THE FIRST CLASS CENTURIES

 

The votes of the First Class (centuriae 1-14) were counted by the diribitores properly, and the custodes conducted the ceremony of tie-breaking according to the following ceremony:

 

PRAEFATIO - PREFACE TO THE PRAYER

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sis volens propitius
nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,

magistratibus candidatis,

consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

Jupiter, Best and Greatest, 
by offering you this incense
I pray good prayers so
that you be benevolent and propitious
to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,

to the candidates for magistracies,

to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,

to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
to me, to my household and to my family.

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!"

Jupiter, Best and Greatest, 
as by offering incense
I have prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason
be thou blessed by this wine.

(Libation of wine is made.)

PRECATIO - THE PRAYER

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
te precor, quaesoque:
uti suffragia tu custodias

utique suffragia incerta voluntate tua decernas,

cum sestertio Novo Romano sortem faciam;

utique sies volens propitius

nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,

magistratibus candidatis,

consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

Jupiter, Best and Greatest,
I pray and ask you so
that you watch over our elections,

and you decide the tie votes according to your will
when I will draw the lots by tossing a Nova Roman sesterce;
and that you be benevolent and propitious
to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,

to the candidates for magistracies,

to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,

to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
to me, to my household and to my family.

SACRIFICIUM - THE SACRIFICE

"Cuius rei ergo macte
hoc vino libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitius
nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,

magistratibus candidatis,

consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

For this reason, thou blessed
by offering this wine,
by offering this incense
be benevolent and propitious
to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,

to the candidates for magistracies,

to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,

to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
to me, to my household and to my family.

 (Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)

 

AFTER THIS the ties were ceremonially broken by lot.

See the report below.

PIACULUM - THE EXPIATION OF MISTAKES DURING THE RITUAL

"Iane,
Iuppiter optime Maximee,
Concordia,
Lares, Manes, Penates,
Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displiceat,
hoc vino inferio
veniam peto
et vitium meum expio."

Ianus,
Saturnus, our most sacred father,
Concordia,
Lares, Manes, Penates,
Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
All Gods Immortal, by whichever name:
if something in this cermony was unpleasant to you,
by this wine
I do apoligize
and expiate my mistake.

(Libation of wine is made.)

 

 

I. INTERIM RESULTS OF THE FIRST CLASS CENTURIES IN THE CONSULAR ELECTION

 

- Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum:

 "In the first round, the first (number one) preferences of the centuries are compared. If at this stage any candidate is the first preference of more than fifty per cent of the centuries (not including any 'void' centuries - centuries in which no 'yes' votes were cast), that candidate is elected. If no candidate has a majority of first-preference votes, then the candidate who is the number one choice of fewest centuries (ties being decided by lot) is eliminated. The election or elimination of a candidate ends the first round."

"If at the end of any round the number of candidates is equal to the number of vacancies and all the candidates have the same number of centuries, the tie is decided by lot, but rather than eliminate the loser, the winner is elected, and the round ends."

 

1st round  (13 centuriae voted, 7 centuriae needed to win)

K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus - 6 centuriae
P. Memmius Albucius - 4 centuriae 
Ti. Galerius Paulinus - 3 centuriae
C. Equtius Cato - 0 centuria  

No one is elected in the first round of counting.
C. Equtius Cato is eliminated because he is the candidate who is the number one choice of fewest centuries.


- Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum:

"If there still are vacancies to be filled, there is a second round in which each century which voted for the elected or eliminated candidate as its first choice is given to its second choice candidate. If any such century has no second choice, that century becomes 'void'. As before, if any candidate now has a majority of the centuries (not including any 'void' centuries), he or she is elected. If not, the candidate with the fewest centuries is eliminated. This concludes the second round."

2nd round (13 centuriae counted, 7 centuriae needed to win)

K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus - 6 centuriae
P. Memmius Albucius - 4 centuriae
Ti. Galerius Paulinus - 3 centuriae

No one is elected in the second round of counting.
Ti. Galerius Paulinus is eliminated in the second round.

- Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum:

"If there are still vacancies to be filled, each century held by the candidate who was elected or eliminated in the previous round is given to its second choice candidate or, if that candidate has been elected or eliminated, to its third choice candidate. Any century having no candidate as its next choice becomes 'void'. Any candidate who now has a majority of centuries (not including 'void' centuries) is elected, and if no candidate has a majority then the candidate with the fewest centuries is eliminated, ending the third round."

"This procedure is repeated until all the vacancies are filled."

3rd round (11 centuriae counted, 6 centuriae needed to win)

K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus - 7 centuriae
P. Memmius Albucius - 4 centuriae

K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus is elected in the third round. Eliminated from further counting.
 
4th round (10 centuriae counted, 6 centuriae needed to win)

P. Memmius Albucius - 10 centuriae

P. Memmius Albucius is elected in the fourth round.

 

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SUMMARY:

CONSULES PROPOSED BY THE FIRST CLASS CENTURIES ARE:

K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and P. Memmius Albucius
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II. INTERIM RESULTS OF THE FIRST CLASS CENTURIES IN THE PRAETORIAL ELECTION

 

 

1st round  (13 centuriae voted, 7 centuriae needed to win)

M. Hortensia Maior â€" 5 centuriae
Equestria Iunia Laeca - 4 centuriae
Cn. Iulius Caesar - 2 centuriae
Q. Fabius Maximus â€" 2 centuriae

No one is elected in the first round of counting.
Cn. Iulius Caesar and Q. Fabius Maximus are eliminated because they are the candidates who are the number one choices of the fewest centuries.

2nd round  (11 centuriae counted, 6 centuriae needed to win)

Equestria Iunia Laeca â€" 6 centuriae
M. Hortensia Maior â€" 5 centuriae

 

Equestria Iunia Laeca is elected in the second round. Eliminated from further counting.

3rd round  (9 centuriae counted, 5 centuriae needed to win)
 
M. Hortensia Maior â€" 9 centuriae

 

M. Hortensia Maior is elected in the third round.

 

 

 

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SUMMARY:

PRAETRICES PROPOSED BY THE FIRST CLASS CENTURIES ARE:

Equestria Iunia Laeca and M. Hortensia Maior

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III. INTERIM RESULTS OF THE FIRST CLASS CENTURIES IN THE CENSORIAL ELECTION

 

 

As Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus withdrew his candidacy before the beginning of the elections, he is not counted. He received the votes of

 

1st round  (12 centuriae voted, 7 centuriae needed to win)

T. Iulius Sabinus â€" 11 centuriae
Invalid vote - 1 centuria

T. Iulius Sabinus is elected in the first round of counting.
 

 

 

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SUMMARY:

CENSOR PROPOSED BY THE FIRST CLASS CENTURIES IS:

T. Iulius Sabinus

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Salve,

Salve Graece, et salvete omnes,

Just a note to make the lives of diribitores and custodes a bit easier
in the future. The language of the Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum
centuriatorum was written carefully to preclude the need for any
tie-breaking during these preliminary vote tallies. Tie-breaking
should only occur during the final vote count, after the cista closes.
The reason the law says "the Diribitores shall tally the votes of
all those who have cast votes thus far" is to prevent the sort of
tie-breaking exercise by the Custodes that appears to have gone on here.

All that was intended when we wrote the Lex was to provide the people
with a running estimate of how the voting was going. There was no
intent to settle the final results of the centuries. There may even
be religious reasons for *NOT* casting lots to determine a century's
result until after the voting has ended.

Anyhow, I'm not trying to find fault with anybody here. It's clear
you've all been very attentive to your duties. I just want you to
know that the activity you've engaged in here was outside the intent
of the writers of the law.

Vale, et valete,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...> writes:

>
> Below is the report as delivered by the custodes.
>
> -Gualterus Graecus

Cn. Lentulus custos Cn. Marino Censorio praetori sal. I don't want to argue over this particular question, praetor amplissime, and I welcome your attention to this detail, but I do wish to explain another point of view that I beleive to be a more Roman approach to the problem. I accept that it was the intention of the writers of the law, but when you say about the announcement of interim results that "All that was intended when we wrote the Lex was to provide the people with a running estimate of how the voting was going." it is not, it can not be - or it should not be -, the real reason for the interim announcements. The real reason is symbolical and religious. With adopting the sequential voting, and now when we dismissed the sequential voting, with the retaining of the sequential report, we imitate the Roman practice that the higher classes influenced the election because they voted first and the results (then definitive and *final* results) of their voting was announced to the rest of the centuries who became influenced by the information. To follow that practice at least in part, Nova Roman diribitores have to announce the interim results of the Centuria Praerogativa and the First Class. This is the symbolical reason: to imitate the Roman practrices. The religious reason is to provide the people with auspices, as the interim results are considered a kind of auspicium. Now, in both cases, also in the case of the symbolical reason as well as in the case of the religious reason: results cannot contain undecided ties because they could not be called "definitive results". The results of the voting of the First Class in the ancient Roma did not contain tie votes, so if we reconstruct their practice we should try to act as similarly as we can. This is why these custodes broke the ties, as we did so in all previous elections this year. Cura, ut valeas optime, noster praetor! Cn. Lentulus Custos

Maior Lentulo spd;
thank you for explaining the significance of the announcement; the meaning of sequential voting, the fact that an auspicium was involved. When sortes are taken in elections they are indeed state auspices.
optime vale
Maior


--.

>
>
>
>
> it is not, it can not be - or it should not be -, the real reason for the interim announcements.
>
> The real reason is symbolical and religious. With adopting the sequential voting, and now when we dismissed the sequential voting, with the retaining of the sequential report, we imitate the Roman practice that the higher classes influenced the election because they voted first and the results (then definitive and *final* results) of their voting was announced to the rest of the centuries who became influenced by the information. To follow that practice at least in part, Nova Roman diribitores have to announce the interim results of the Centuria Praerogativa and the First Class. This is the symbolical reason: to imitate the Roman practrices.
>
> The religious reason is to provide the people with auspices, as the interim results are considered a kind of auspicium.
>
> Now, in both cases, also in the case of the symbolical reason as well as in the case of the religious reason: results cannot contain undecided ties because they could not be called "definitive results". The results of the voting of the First Class in the ancient Roma did not contain tie votes, so if we reconstruct their practice we should try to act as similarly as we can.
>
> This is why these custodes broke the ties, as we did so in all previous elections this year.
>
> Cura, ut valeas optime, noster praetor!
>
> Cn. Lentulus
> Custos
>

Aeterniae, Caeca, sal, et Salvete Omnes,


Okay I can see where you're coming from with this, afterall it was only an idea.... I've been to  plenty of gatherings where I have seen people bring kittens and puppies... It would depend on the animal, kittens usually love attention, unless they are sleeping..

**shrug** It was an idea only, of course I think the calendar would be just as fine as well, and still support such idea...


Vale,
Aeternia

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:

 

Caeca Aeterniae sal, et salvete omnes,

 

Darn it, I saw a really neat way of doing that with the enclitic que ...and forgot to write it down!  Anyway, Aeternia, you know ...kitties tend to strongly dislike being confined, even in the Rolls Royce of cat carriers, and do you *really* want to contemplate our Vestals trying to keep track of 6 exuberant, (and possibly frightened) kittens while doing something to promote our organization?  I can see a Monty Python event in the making!  Pictures of kittens?  Of course, there might be other opportunities ...at home ..with guests ...

Vale Optime,

C. Maria Caeca

Plauta Caecae sal.

Actually no, as much as I like my cats, I don't think they have anything to
do with Nova Roma.
Messallina's cats, on the other hand, were rescued during an official
ceremony for NR. Obviously they were some deity's gift to Messallina and
Nova Roma, so it makes sense for them to be on an official calendar.

Optime vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@..........>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma's Micine


Caeca Plautae sal,

... or pictures of the pets of any of our citizens who wants to submit them?
I think that's a lovely idea!

C. Maria Caeca

Agricola Marino sal.

The Lex Fabia says that the diribitors make a tally and that they "shall announce the results".

Elsewhere in the lex "results" clearly means the outcome of all procedures, and similar language is used for the final procedure, which clearly DOES include tie-breaking. The drafters of the lex could have said "shall announce this tally" or some similar language, e.g., "shall report this count", but they did not. I don't mean to say that you are wrong in what you say was the intent; I'm sure you know what you are talking about. But the language is not as airtight as it could be.

We are short one diribitor, and one is missing, so there were four of us, two diribitors and two custodes, thinking on this point.

optime vale

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Graece, et salvete omnes,
>
> Just a note to make the lives of diribitores and custodes a bit easier
> in the future. The language of the Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum
> centuriatorum was written carefully to preclude the need for any
> tie-breaking during these preliminary vote tallies. Tie-breaking
> should only occur during the final vote count, after the cista closes.
> The reason the law says "the Diribitores shall tally the votes of
> all those who have cast votes thus far" is to prevent the sort of
> tie-breaking exercise by the Custodes that appears to have gone on here.
>
> All that was intended when we wrote the Lex was to provide the people
> with a running estimate of how the voting was going. There was no
> intent to settle the final results of the centuries. There may even
> be religious reasons for *NOT* casting lots to determine a century's
> result until after the voting has ended.
>
> Anyhow, I'm not trying to find fault with anybody here. It's clear
> you've all been very attentive to your duties. I just want you to
> know that the activity you've engaged in here was outside the intent
> of the writers of the law.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
> gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...> writes:
>
> >
> > Below is the report as delivered by the custodes.
> >
> > -Gualterus Graecus
>

Salvete Omnes

Having been a Diribitor or Custode in several elections now, I find
this preliminary report to be overly enthusiastic, and not keeping
with past practice. (I had written harsher words, which would have
been undeserved by our Custodes et Diribitors.)

Aforetimes, we performed NO tie-breaking until all Tribes and
Centuries were counted!

Tie-breaking is a means of finding a FINAL result.

<rant>

This is not Roma Antiqua. We can never be Roma Antiqua.

Otherwise, half the human race could not run for office.

This is Nova Roma, we are compromised from the start.

Those who spout off that we must uphold all ancient practices are crack pates.

Cives, let's take the gloves off...bare knuckle ideas here...

We are re-creators, trying to rebuild that which is truly at the core
of Romanitas for this modern world in which we live...nothing more,
nothing less.

I have been called a good Roman, I accept that gladly. For me Rome is
not just about Latin, marble edifices, religious Rites, philosophical
ideas, preservation...it is pragmatism, industriousness, a sense of
community, growth, understandable scholarship, weeding out harmful
modern ideas...looking, closely, at what Rome (the identity, not just
the City) would be now, as if there never was an Interruption.

</rant>

mea sententia - Venator

Agricola Venatori sal.

If this is what we want, then we just have to say so in the Lex. It could have specified "raw totals by candidate" (safe but not reflective of how our system works) or "raw totals by century" (very informative but a privacy violation) or "number of centuries winning and number of centuries tied by each candidate" (in keeping with how final results are made, but not very informative when centuries are small).

I'm not going to get into the larger issues; it is enough to point out that the language of the lex is not as tight as it could be.


optime vale

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes
>
> Having been a Diribitor or Custode in several elections now, I find
> this preliminary report to be overly enthusiastic, and not keeping
> with past practice. (I had written harsher words, which would have
> been undeserved by our Custodes et Diribitors.)
>
> Aforetimes, we performed NO tie-breaking until all Tribes and
> Centuries were counted!
>
> Tie-breaking is a means of finding a FINAL result.
>
> <rant>
>
> This is not Roma Antiqua. We can never be Roma Antiqua.
>
> Otherwise, half the human race could not run for office.
>
> This is Nova Roma, we are compromised from the start.
>
> Those who spout off that we must uphold all ancient practices are crack pates.
>
> Cives, let's take the gloves off...bare knuckle ideas here...
>
> We are re-creators, trying to rebuild that which is truly at the core
> of Romanitas for this modern world in which we live...nothing more,
> nothing less.
>
> I have been called a good Roman, I accept that gladly. For me Rome is
> not just about Latin, marble edifices, religious Rites, philosophical
> ideas, preservation...it is pragmatism, industriousness, a sense of
> community, growth, understandable scholarship, weeding out harmful
> modern ideas...looking, closely, at what Rome (the identity, not just
> the City) would be now, as if there never was an Interruption.
>
> </rant>
>
> mea sententia - Venator
>

Salve Maxima Valeria Messalina, LOL first I was not sure what was ment with the kittens. You have to excuse, as English is secondary language for me it still happens ocasionaly that it plays funny tricks on me! Actually I was not sure if the kitten you mentioned was your daughter, real animal kittens or the precious sum of NR women,LOL. But I can tell you so much, you really seem to have something of a virgin (or a beautiful amount of natural innocence if you will), since my conviction is that the love for animals and the way they are treated tells most about the deep heart of someone. It is so nice to read your descriptions about your little cats, that it really compliments you. Only people who love animals are capable to love humans!!! That really makes you a high priestress and protecting domina, NR needs. You have my total support! :-) Hugs to your little fourlegged crowd ! Vale bene C.Aquillius Rota --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote: From: Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma's Micine To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 5:21 PM   <<--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@gmail. com> wrote: Salvete, How are the kittens doing?  Could we perhaps get an update on them?  Again I commend you for the task you have taken, I have just one eight month old kitten one (Cara "Avalonne" Sophia) and she is just a bundle of chaotic energy, I could not picture having six lol...  Again much kudos to you!>>   Oh, how sweet! I'm sure she is just adorable! I love her name. :)   (Sorry for the delay in answering you, but I've been dealing with a death in the family.)   All six kittens are doing fine. Caelius, Felix and Numa were neutered on October 6th, and Diana, Palatina and Tullia were spayed on the 3rd of this month; so that is all done. Whew! They all looked so cute in their little blue surgery collars. I had to separate them during the two weeks after their surgeries while their stitches healed. I put up a pen and when one group was inside, the other three on the outside would spend most of the day trying to figure out how to get inside the pen so they could be with their littermates.    They are now about seven months old. Felix is the leader. Where he goes, the rest follow; what he does, the rest want to do, too. Caelius just wants to be held all the time. Numa is the most athletic and he has decided that it is his mission in life to open everything he can - cupboards, boxes, the mail. LOL   Diana is our princess. She likes nothing more than to sit on her favorite pillow and watch Felix and Numa's antics. Tullia is very curious and likes to watch everything I do. Palatina is the smallest and I suspect is the runt of the litter. Poor little Palatina, being so small, she sometimes gets run over by her bigger siblings when they all play and chase each other, but she is a real trooper. She just gets back up and keeps on going!   Hopefully, one of these days I'll put some of their pictures up online.   Vale bene,   Maxima Valeria Messallina