M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;

This is a great day!
my thanks to the gods, my gratitude to the quirites for their votes.

My respect for our consuls and to the diribitores and custodes for their hard work.

As always my respect and thanks for NR's hardworking devoted IT people who make elections run smoothly who've worked so hard to make the transition this year.


To our Consuls-elect P. Memmeius Albucius & Q. Fabius Buteo Quintillianus my heartfelt joy at seeing 2 such great cives lead the res publica.
May the gods favour us!
and Nova Roma prosper!
M. Hortensia Maior
praetrix-elect

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>
> I would like to thank all those who voted for me and offer my
> congratulations to all the elected magistrates.
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodie est Kalendis Decembribus; haec dies nefastus est.

"Night surprised them while they were lamenting over their situation
rather than consulting how to meet it. The different temperaments of
the men came out; some exclaimed: "Let us break through the
barricades, scale the mountain slopes, force our way through the
forest, try every way where we can carry arms. Only let us get at the
enemy whom we have beaten for now nearly thirty years; all places will
be smooth and easy to a Roman fighting against the perfidious
Samnite." Others answered: "Where are we to go? How are we to get
there? Are we preparing to move the mountains from their seat? How
will you get at the enemy as long as these peaks hang over us? Armed
and unarmed, brave and cowardly we are all alike trapped and
conquered. The enemy will not even offer us the chance of an
honourable death by the sword, he will finish the war without moving
from his seat." Indifferent to food, unable to sleep, they talked in
this way through the night. Even the Samnites were unable to make up
their minds what to do under such fortunate circumstances. It was
unanimously agreed to write to Herennius, the captain-general's
father, and ask his advice. He was now advanced in years and had given
up all public business, civil as well as military, but though his
physical powers were failing his intellect was as sound and clear as
ever. He had already heard that the Roman armies were hemmed in
between the two passes at the Caudine Forks, and when his son's
courier asked for his advice he gave it as his opinion that the whole
force ought to be at once allowed to depart uninjured. This advice was
rejected and the courier was sent back to consult him again. He now
advised that they should every one be put to death. On receiving these
replies, contradicting each other like the ambiguous utterances of an
oracle, his son's first impression was that his father's mental powers
had become impaired through his physical weakness. However, he yielded
to the unanimous wish and invited his father to the council of war.
The old man, we are told, at once complied and was conveyed in a wagon
to the camp. After taking his seat in the council, it became clear
from what he said that he had not changed his mind, but he explained
his reasons for the advice he gave. He believed that by taking the
course he first proposed, which he considered the best, he was
establishing a durable peace and friendship with a most powerful
people in treating them with such exceptional kindness; by adopting
the second he was postponing war for many generations, for it would
take that time for Rome to recover her strength painfully and slowly
after the loss of two armies. There was no third course. When his son
and the other chiefs went on to ask him what would happen if a middle
course were taken, and they were dismissed unhurt but under such
conditions as by the rights of war are imposed on the vanquished, he
replied: 'That is just the policy which neither procures friends nor
rids us of enemies. Once let men whom you have exasperated by
ignominious treatment live and you will find out your mistake. The
Romans are a nation who know not how to remain quiet under defeat.
Whatever disgrace this present extremity burns into their souls will
rankle there for ever, and will allow them no rest till they have made
you pay for it many times over.'" - Livy, History of Rome 9.3


"I begin to sing about Poseidon, the great god, mover of the earth and
fruitless sea, god of the deep who is also lord of Helicon and wide
Aegae. A two-fold office the gods allotted you, O Shaker of the Earth,
to be a tamer of horses and a saviour of ships!" - Homeric Hymn to
Poseidon II.1-5

"Neptuno has ago gratias meo patrono, qui salsis locis incolit
piscolentis, quom me ex suis locis pulchre ornatum expedivit, reducem
et tempulis, plurima praeda onustum salute horiae." (Thanks be to
Neptune my patron, who dwells in the fish-teeming salt sea, for
speeding me homeward from his sacred abode, well laden and in a good
hour) - Plautus, Rodens 906-910

"Hear, Poseidon, ruler of the sea profound, whose liquid grasp begirds
the solid ground; who, at the bottom of the stormy main, dark and
deep-bosomed holdest they watery reign. Thy awful hand the brazen
trident bears, and sea's utmost bound thy will reveres. Thee I invoke,
whose steeds the foam divide, from whose dark locks the briny waters
glide; shoe voice, loud sounding through the roaring deep, drives all
its billows in a raging heap; when fiercely riding through the boiling
sea, thy hoarse command the trembling waves obey. Earth-shaking,
dark-haired God, the liquid plains, the third division, fate to thee
ordains. `Tis thine, cerulean daimon, to survey, well-pleased, the
monsters of the ocean play. Confirm earth's basis, and with prosperous
gales waft ships along, and swell the spacious sails; add gentle
peace, and fair-haired health beside, and pour abundance in a
blameless tide." - Orphic Hymn 17 to Poseidon

Today is held in honor of the god Neptune, known to the Greeks as
Poseidon. Neptune is the second-born son of Cronus, ruler of the race
of gods known as The Titans, and his wife, the Titan-goddess of
fertility, Rhea. Fearing that he would be dethroned by one of his
offspring just as he had overthrown his own father Ouranos, Cronus
imprisoned each of his own offspring in Tartarus, the darkest section
of Hades, the Olympian underworld, as soon as he or she was born.
Appalled, the children's mother Rhea gave birth to Zeus without
Cronus's knowledge and gave him to the primeval Earth goddess Gaea to
be raised in secret. The adult Zeus freed his siblings and led them in
a successful revolt against Cronus and the Titans.

While it is believed that Neptune was among the offspring of Cronus
and Rhea imprisoned in Tartarus until later adulthood, Neptune, like
Zeus, had actually escaped this fate when his mother Rhea gave birth
to him in Mantineia, Arcadia (in the land known now as Greece). Rhea
hid Neptune who was then raised by other gods on the island of Rhodes
who taught him how to wield his mystical powers just as the Cyclopes
taught Zeus how to wield his own. Approached by the adult Zeus,
Neptune helped him free their other siblings and gather allies against
Cronus and the other Titans. The war against the Titans lasted for a
full decade ending with Zeus and his faction emerging victorious.

After Zeus became ruler of the pocket dimension of Olympus and of the
race of Olympian gods, he forged covenants with his elder brothers
Neptune and Pluto. Pluto, while still subject to Zeus's edicts, was
allowed to become the king of the Olympian underworld without any
interference from Zeus concerning the internal affairs of his kingdom.
Likewise, Neptune was allowed free reign over the vast oceans and the
various water-gods occupying the then ancient Grecian sphere of
influence. As a symbol of his station as the prime sea-god Neptune
carries an enchanted trident of various properties.

Neptune took as his wife the goddess Amphitrite, a daughter of the
elder water deities Nereus and Doris. He and Amphitrite had two
daughters Rhode and Benthiscya and a son Triton whose godly power
enabled him to assume the form of a merman. However, Neptune was
similar to his younger brother Zeus in that he had several affairs
with both mortal Earth women and Olympian goddesses and thus fathered
numerous offspring. Like Zeus, his children were sometimes born as
mortals or immortals. By his union with the Gorgon Medusa he fathered
the warrior Chrysaor and the magical flying horse, Pegasus. Akin to
Zeus who transformed himself into Amphitryon of Troezen to mate with
his wife Alcmena who became the mother of the demigod Hercules,
Neptune once disguised himself as the husband of the mortal woman
Aethra and fathered the Athenian hero Theseus. Other various offspring
of Neptune's include: Eumolpus, the Giant Sinis, the Cyclopes
Polyphemus, Orion, King Amycus, the shape-shifting god Proteus,
Agenor, Belus, Pelias, and Busiris who once became the King of Egypt.
Poseidon also had two twin giant sons, Otus and Ephialtes, who once
attempted to storm Olympus and overthrow Zeus and the Olympians before
meeting their deaths at each other's own hands in a hunting accident.

One of the most infamous affairs of Neptune involves his sister,
Demeter, Olympian goddess of the harvest. Neptune pursued Demeter who,
although first resisted his advances, eventually submitted to him. The
pair united, Demeter in the form of a mare and Neptune in the form of
a horse, and became the parents of Arion, the god of horses and
Despoena, the goddess of fruit.

Neptune was known to quarrel with his fellow Olympians to act as the
patron of particular Greek cities. For example, the sea-god was once
involved in a competition between himself and his niece, the goddess
of war Athena, for the city of Athens. To convince the people to name
the city after him and make him their patron god, Neptune used his
magical trident to produce a flowing spring. However, Athena won as a
result of giving the Athenians the far more useful olive tree (the
flowing spring was salt water). Neptune could also be a very moody
sea-god and at times used his powers to create earthquakes, floods and
storms to inflict fear and/or punishment on people as revenge. Though
difficult at times, Neptune could be cooperative as it was he who
aided the Greeks during the Trojan War before Zeus forbade the
Olympians from participating in it. After the Trojan War ended,
Neptune became angered against the hero Odysseus also known as
Ulysses, when he blinded the sea-god's son, the Cyclopes Polyphemus.
In his rage against this act Neptune saw to it that Odysseus's journey
back to Ithaca was full of trials and difficulties. Indeed it took
Odysseus 10 years to reach Ithaca after he and his men had departed
from Troy.


Today is also dedicated to the goddess Pietas. Pietas is usually
translated as "duty" or "devotion," and it simultaneously suggests
duty to the gods and duty to family - which is expanded to duty to the
community and duty to the state thanks to the analogy between the
family and the state, conventional in the ancient world. Vergil's hero
Aeneas embodies this virtue, and is particularly emblematic of it in
book II of the Aeneid when he flees burning Troy bearing his father on
his back and carrying his household gods. Pietas' symbol is the stork.


Valete bene!

Cato

Dies irae! dies illa
Solvet saeclum in favilla...
Preces meae non sunt dignae:
Sed tu bonus fac benigne,
Ne perenni cremer igne.
Lacrimosa dies illa,
qua resurget ex favilla
iudicandus homo reus.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;
>
> This is a great day!

Equestria Iunia Laeca Praetrix Designata Quiritibus Novae Romae
salutem plurimam dicit

I would like to extend my deepest gratitude to everyone who placed
their trust in me during this election and by doing so, have given me
the privilege to serve as praetor in the upcoming year. And, I would
also like to express my appreciation and admiration to all the
citizens who have participated in this process, especially those who
generously stepped forward as candidates willing to serve the res
publica. Congratulations to all the newly elected magistrates! I
look forward to working with each and every one of you. Most of all,
a very sincere thank you to those who sacrificed their time and energy
working quietly and diligently behind the scenes to ensure the
election was properly conducted and completed.

Thank You!

Valete.

 A. Tullia Scholastica C. Equitio Catoni quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 
   

Dies irae! dies illa
Solvet saeclum in favilla...
Preces meae non sunt dignae:
Sed tu bonus fac benigne,
Ne perenni cremer igne.
Lacrimosa dies illa,
qua resurget ex favilla
iudicandus homo reus.


    ATS:  Oh, now Cato, it can’t be THAT bad!  The Funeral Mass’ Day of Wrath hymn?  Si mores boni, preces dignae esse debent.  


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;
>            
>         This is a great day!

Valete.  

 
   

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Vos bona Neptunus auctet ope

Hodie est Kalendae Decembres; haec dies nefastus est: Neptuno, Salaciae, Pietati, Venere et Cupido.

AUC 652 / 101 BCE: The dedication of the Temple of Pietas in the Circus Flaminius

AUC 721 / 32 BCE: The restoration of the Temple of Neptunus by Emperor Augustus

"O Neptunus, brother of Jove and Nereus, heartily and gladly I give You praise and grateful thanks. And to you, Neptunus, before all other gods I offer and accord You the highest thanks." ~ Q. Plautus, Trinummus 819-30

AUC 1107 / 354 CE: Constantius closes the temples.

AUC 1113-1116 / 361-363 CE: Flavius Claudius Julianus the Blessed

Duty to Honor Temples, Sacred Precincts, Altars and Sacerdotes

"It is our duty to adore not only the images of the Gods, but also Their temples and sacred precincts and altars. And it reasonable to honor the sacerdotes also as officials and servants of the Gods; and because they minister to us what concerns the Gods, and they lend strength to the gifts of the Gods of good things to us; for they sacrifice and pray on behalf of all men. It is therefore right that we should pay them all not less, if not indeed more, than the honors that we pay to the magistrates of the State. And if anyone thinks that we ought to assign equal honors to them and to the magistrates of the State, since the latter also are in some sort dedicated to the service of the Gods, as being guardians of the laws, nevertheless we ought at any rate to give the sacerdotes a far greater share of our good will. The Achaeans, for instance, enjoined their kings to reverence the sacerdos, though he was one of the enemy, whereas we do not even reverence the sacerdotes who are our friends, and who pray and sacrifice on our behalf." ~ Julianus the Blessed, Epistulum 89, ad Sacerdotem 296b-d


Venus and Cupid

"Venus Genetrix, charmer of Gods and mankind, nurturing Mother, beneath the starry signs that glide through the night, You enliven the ship-bearing seas and the fruitful earth, since it is through You that all things are conceived and animated into life to behold the Light of Day. Goddess, for You the winds make way, the heavenly clouds open at Your coming, the miraculous earth greets You with sweet scented flowers, for You the surface of the seas laugh, and the peaceful heavens glisten in luminescence." ~ Lucretius Carus, De Rerum Natura 1.1-9

Also celebrated on this day was a festival for Venus and Cupid. The Etruscan Turan was a Goddess of chastity and love in marriage. She was often depicted in the dress of a bride with her veil drawn across Her face and held in Her teeth. Murcia was instead a Goddess of gardens and spring flowers. Later She was interpreted to be Myrtea, Goddess of myrtles. The Italic Goddess Herentina or Libitina was likewise a Goddess of flowers and gardens. But at Rome it was a different aspect that was most prominent. The sanctuary of Libitina lay outside the pomerium on the Esquiline Hill. An ordinance by Servius Tullius had a coin, known as the lucar Libitinae, deposited to Her sanctuary whenever someone died. Here, too, all deaths at Rome were registered. And one could purchase the services of undertakers, grave diggers, and all other requisites for funerals from her sanctuary. As Venus Lubitania She was again seen as a Goddess of flowers. As Herentia She was somewhat more like Turan, and from chaste love in marriage She was associated with the joy that children bring to a family. These Goddesses were all to become assimilated at Rome with Venus. Plutarch explained that the Romans had looked upon "Venus, not inaptly attributing the beginning and end of man's life to the agency of one and the same deity (Life of Numa 12)." Venus Herself was introduced to Rome no earlier than 217 BCE when She arrived as Venus Erycina in response to the Sibylline Oracles that were consulted after the Battle of Lake Trasimene. Venus Erycina was in fact the Syrian Goddess Atargatis, who would later be called the Dea Syria. She had a Hellenized cultus in Sicily with certain features that were never brought to Rome. But from the Greek misunderstanding of Her Syrian cultus, at Rome Venus Erycina became a sort of patron and protector of the City's prostitutes, celebrated on 1 April. Venus also became associated with the joy and happiness found at wine festivals, and unlike any other Goddess, wine was specified as a libation for Venus.

While other Goddesses were assimilated to Venus, Roman scholars also recognized that there is more than one Venus.

"The first Venus is the Daughter of Caelus and Dies (Sky and Day); I have seen Her temple at Velia. The second was engendered from the sea-foam, and as we are told became the Mother of Cupid by Mercurius. The third Venus (Victrix) is the Daughter of Jupiter and Dione, who wedded Vulcanus, but who is said to have been the Mother of Anteros by Mars. The fourth (Venus Erycina) was conceived of Syria and Cyprus, and is called Astarte; it is recorded that She married Adonis." ~ M. Tullius Cicero, De Natura Deorum 3.59

Then there is the other Venus, one of whom little is ever said. Venus Cloaca is a lesser goddess who removes waste and stench from the City through its sewer system and who restores sweet fragrances. In doing so Venus Cloaca provides for the health of the City residents.

Different aspects of Venus come together on the Blessed Isles where She receives the dead. There it is always springtime and filled with the scents of Venus' flowers. The souls of the dead are received by Venus on the Blessed Isles as Her children, for whom She cares before their reincarnation when She blesses a family with their rebirth into the world. Through Her agency is a soul (anima) provided to a new-born, distinct from the divine mind (animus) and the genius or juno that a child receives. Also through Her agency are couples brought together to receive one of Her souls. Likewise is Venus associated with Viriplaca, Verticordia, and Fortuna Virilis who help maintain marital bliss. In these different ways, and recognized as the Mother of Aeneas, She was called Venus Genetrix, Mother to all Latins. Lucretius, above, took this to another level, as the metaphysical Venus Genetrix who binds all men and women, all the animals of land and seas, and all plants as well, is attributed with animating the world. Then, too, his entire poem on the "Nature of Things" was dedicated to Venus who binds all things together including atoms that compose his Epicurian-Democratian universe. In that, Lucretius posed the Goddess of Love as the central force of the universe.


Today's thought is from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 52:

"Friendship dances around the world bidding us all to awaken to the recognition of happiness."

Salvete omnes

I congratulate all the winnners of the latest election.

PRAEFATIO - PREFACE TO THE PRAYER

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sis volens propitius
nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,
magistratibus candidatis,
consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribuno C. Vipsanio et plebi Novae Romanae,
Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

Jupiter, Best and Greatest,
by offering you this incense
I pray good prayers so
that you be benevolent and propitious
to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,
to the candidates for magistracies,
to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Presiding Tribune, C. Vipsanius and to the Nova Roman Plebs,
to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
to me, to my household and to my family.

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!"

Jupiter, Best and Greatest,
as by offering incense
I have prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason
be thou blessed by this wine.

(Libation of wine is made.)

PRECATIO - THE PRAYER

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
te precor, quaesoque:
uti suffragia tu custodias
utique suffriagia incerta voluntate tua decernas,
cum sestertio Novo Romano sortem faciam;
utique sies volens propitius
nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,
magistratibus candidatis,
consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribuno C. Vipsanio et plebi Novae Romanae
Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

Jupiter, Best and Greatest,
I pray and ask you so
that you watch over our elections,
and you decide the tie votes according to your will
when I will draw the lots by tossing a Nova Roman sesterce;
and that you be benevolent and propitious
to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,
to the candidates for magistracies,
to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Presiding Tribune, C. Vipsanius and to the Nova Roman Plebs,
to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
to me, to my household and to my family.

SACRIFICIUM - THE SACRIFICE

"Cuius rei ergo macte
hoc vino libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitius
nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,
magistratibus candidatis,
consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribuno C. Vipsanio et plebi Novae Romanae,
Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

For this reason, thou blessed
by offering this wine,
by offering this incense
be benevolent and propitious
to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,
to the candidates for magistracies,
to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Presiding Tribune, C. Vipsanius and to the Nova Roman Plebs,
to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
to me, to my household and to my family.

(Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)

AFTER THIS the ties were ceremonially broken by lot.
See the report below.

I. TRIBUNICIAN ELECTION RESULTS OF THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA

Lex Moravia de suffragiis in comitiis plebis tributis et ratione comitiorum plebis tributorum:
5. Ties within the tribe shall be resolved as follows:
a. The tied candidates shall have their ties resolved by awarding the tied tribe to the candidate(s) that received the most votes of the Tribes in total.
b. If the above does not settle the tie then the custodes are instructed to cast lots in a manner that gives each tied candidate equal odds of winning the tie.
c. Should a tie occur between candidates in excess of the number of vacancies the ties shall be resolved in the same manner as stated above (VI. D. 2. i. and VI. d. 2. ii)


After breaking the ties, the results are as follows:


30 tribes voted, the candidates carry the following number of tribes:

Maxima Valeria Messallina – 27 tribes
C. Curius Saturninus – 24 tribes
C. Petronius Dexter – 24 tribes
M. Octavius Corvus – 23 tribes
C. Aquillius Rota – 22 tribes
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus (invalid/write-in)– 9 tribes
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus (write-in) – 1 tribes
T. Arminius Genialis (write-in) – 0 tribes
Q. Servilius Priscus (write-in) – 0 tribes

The five candidates who received the highest amount of tribal votes are declared elected:

Maxima Valeria Messallina – 27 tribes
C. Curius Saturninus – 24 tribes
C. Petronius Dexter – 24 tribes
M. Octavius Corvus – 23 tribes
C. Aquillius Rota – 22 tribes

II. PLEBEIAN AEDILICIAN ELECTION RESULTS OF THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA


Ap. Galerius Aurelianus – 26 tribes
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus (write-in) – 1 tribe
T. Arminius Genialis (write-in) – 1 tribe
C. Arminius Reccanellus Maior (write-in) – 1 tribe

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus made the tie breaking on the second aedilis plebis.

The second aedilis plebis is T. Arminius Genialis. If he refuses to accept the position, C. Arminius Reccanellus, if he, too, does refuse it, M. Moravius Piscinus.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
Tribune of the Plebs

Tribunis electis omn.que s.d.

Let me thank first, as plebeius myself, Tribune Agrippa for his organization of these plebeian elections, and, here also, our vigintisexviri and computer technicians.

Second, all my congratulations to all five tribuni electi, Vestal Messallina who have gathered on her name many tribes, and our four other tribunes for 2763: Dexter, Saturninus, Corvus and Rota.

Here is at the same time a coherent tribunate which reflects our Republic diversity. It will sure be for next consuls to work with these voices of the Plebs.

My homage goes at the same time to Ap. Galerius Aurelianus, who, being alone, faced the risk of a weak mobilization for the vote for aedilis plebis. Our Plebs has heard Aurelianus and his will to serve. He is brilliantly elected.

I sincerely hope our T. Arminius Genialis, winner of a not-so-frequent write-in election will accept the second seat. Otherwise, our new tribunes would have to organize a new round of elections to fill in the aedilician office.

Tibi gratias, Plebs, et valete omnes!


P. Memmius Albucius
consul electus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa <canadaoccidentalis@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes
>
> I congratulate all the winnners of the latest election.
>
> PRAEFATIO - PREFACE TO THE PRAYER
>
> "Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
> te hoc ture commovendo
> bonas preces precor,
> uti sis volens propitius
> nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,
> magistratibus candidatis,
> consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
> tribuno C. Vipsanio et plebi Novae Romanae,
> Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
> mihi, domo, familiae!"
>
> Jupiter, Best and Greatest,
> by offering you this incense
> I pray good prayers so
> that you be benevolent and propitious
> to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,
> to the candidates for magistracies,
> to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
> to the Presiding Tribune, C. Vipsanius and to the Nova Roman Plebs,
> to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
> to me, to my household and to my family.
>
> (Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)
>
> "Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
> uti te ture commovendo
> bonas preces precatus sum,
> eiusdem rei ergo
> macte vino inferio esto!"
>
> Jupiter, Best and Greatest,
> as by offering incense
> I have prayed good prayers,
> for the very same reason
> be thou blessed by this wine.
>
> (Libation of wine is made.)
>
> PRECATIO - THE PRAYER
>
> "Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
> te precor, quaesoque:
> uti suffragia tu custodias
> utique suffriagia incerta voluntate tua decernas,
> cum sestertio Novo Romano sortem faciam;
> utique sies volens propitius
> nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,
> magistratibus candidatis,
> consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
> tribuno C. Vipsanio et plebi Novae Romanae
> Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
> mihi, domo, familiae!"
>
> Jupiter, Best and Greatest,
> I pray and ask you so
> that you watch over our elections,
> and you decide the tie votes according to your will
> when I will draw the lots by tossing a Nova Roman sesterce;
> and that you be benevolent and propitious
> to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,
> to the candidates for magistracies,
> to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
> to the Presiding Tribune, C. Vipsanius and to the Nova Roman Plebs,
> to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
> to me, to my household and to my family.
>
> SACRIFICIUM - THE SACRIFICE
>
> "Cuius rei ergo macte
> hoc vino libando,
> hoc ture ommovendo
> esto fito volens propitius
> nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,
> magistratibus candidatis,
> consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
> tribuno C. Vipsanio et plebi Novae Romanae,
> Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
> mihi, domo, familiae!"
>
> For this reason, thou blessed
> by offering this wine,
> by offering this incense
> be benevolent and propitious
> to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,
> to the candidates for magistracies,
> to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
> to the Presiding Tribune, C. Vipsanius and to the Nova Roman Plebs,
> to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
> to me, to my household and to my family.
>
> (Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)
>
> AFTER THIS the ties were ceremonially broken by lot.
> See the report below.
>
> I. TRIBUNICIAN ELECTION RESULTS OF THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA
>
> Lex Moravia de suffragiis in comitiis plebis tributis et ratione comitiorum plebis tributorum:
> 5. Ties within the tribe shall be resolved as follows:
> a. The tied candidates shall have their ties resolved by awarding the tied tribe to the candidate(s) that received the most votes of the Tribes in total.
> b. If the above does not settle the tie then the custodes are instructed to cast lots in a manner that gives each tied candidate equal odds of winning the tie.
> c. Should a tie occur between candidates in excess of the number of vacancies the ties shall be resolved in the same manner as stated above (VI. D. 2. i. and VI. d. 2. ii)
>
>
> After breaking the ties, the results are as follows:
>
>
> 30 tribes voted, the candidates carry the following number of tribes:
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina â€" 27 tribes
> C. Curius Saturninus â€" 24 tribes
> C. Petronius Dexter â€" 24 tribes
> M. Octavius Corvus â€" 23 tribes
> C. Aquillius Rota â€" 22 tribes
> M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus (invalid/write-in)â€" 9 tribes
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus (write-in) â€" 1 tribes
> T. Arminius Genialis (write-in) â€" 0 tribes
> Q. Servilius Priscus (write-in) â€" 0 tribes
>
> The five candidates who received the highest amount of tribal votes are declared elected:
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina â€" 27 tribes
> C. Curius Saturninus â€" 24 tribes
> C. Petronius Dexter â€" 24 tribes
> M. Octavius Corvus â€" 23 tribes
> C. Aquillius Rota â€" 22 tribes
>
> II. PLEBEIAN AEDILICIAN ELECTION RESULTS OF THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA
>
>
> Ap. Galerius Aurelianus â€" 26 tribes
> M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus (write-in) â€" 1 tribe
> T. Arminius Genialis (write-in) â€" 1 tribe
> C. Arminius Reccanellus Maior (write-in) â€" 1 tribe
>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus made the tie breaking on the second aedilis plebis.
>
> The second aedilis plebis is T. Arminius Genialis. If he refuses to accept the position, C. Arminius Reccanellus, if he, too, does refuse it, M. Moravius Piscinus.
>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> Tribune of the Plebs
>

Salve Lentule,

I shall be there in spirit as I hope you will be at the Saturnalia on the same night here in Nashville in spirit amice,

Vale optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae et pontifex Quiritibus SPD
>
> It is a preliminary invitation to you, fellow Nova Romans, to a Nova Roman Saturnalia Party in Pannonia, Budapest, Hungary.
>
> Date: 19th December, 7 PM
>
> With
> live music, dance Saturnus-ceremony, living Latin, free dinner, wine,
> free accommodation at the Pannonian Nova Romans' houses up to 6 people.
>
> FREE ACCOMMODATION AND MEAL
>
> Please reply in private mail if interested!
>
> Valete!
>
>
> Cn.Cornelius Lentulus
> Legatus Pro Praetore
> PANNONIA PROVINCIA
>

Salvéte amícae et amící!

Vivat Res Publica nostra prosperrime!

Hard work lies before us but I offer hearty congratulations to all and trust that each of them will serve well our Nova Roma.

Congratulations to our esteemed Consules elect, et amící: K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus a man of great respect, fairness and dignitas and P. Memmius Albucius whom I have had the pleasure of working with, and laughing with, this past year.

Congratulations to our Praetrices elect, et amícae: Equestria Iunia Laeca, a strong citizen whom I am honored to work alongside in the past year and M. Hortensia Maior whose passion and love for Nova Roma is in every inch of her person.

Congratulations to my cousin, et amicus, Censor elect, T. Iulius Sabinus, an objective and independent thinker who is as supportive to all citizens as he has been to me.

Heartfelt congratulations to Curule Aediles elect, et amící: Titus Flavius Aquila whom I had the pleasure to work with and get to know in the past year and Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus, whom I do not know as well but find his influence very steady - let the Ludi begin!

Many congratulations go out to all our Quaestores elect: my spirited amica Gaia Maria Caeca and Aula Arria Carina, Sextus Lucilius Tutor and Aulus Vitellius Celsus.

To our Rogator-elect, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator, with whom I had the pleasure of working with as diribitrix suffecta, many congratulations!

Congratulations to our Diribitors elect: the accomplished Marcus Arminius Maior, and as they take the first historical steps up the cursus honorum: Marca Claudia Laurentia and Quinta Fabia Drusilla.

Congratulations to our Custos elect: Emilia Curia Finnica, et amica, Lucia Livia Plauta

My congratulations to all Tribunes elect, et amícae et amící: Maxima Valeria Messallina who keeps Rome's eternal fire burning, C. Curius Saturninus whose computer skills enabled a smooth election, C. Petronius Dexter who I pray will still attend to the job of assisting me in my Latin skills and hopefully will continue to tolerate my like of apices, M. Octavius Corvus whom I had the pleasure to work with on an initiative to instill within our children the love of ancient Rome, and last but certainly not least and dear to my heart,the passionate C. Aquillius Rota.

Congratulations to Ap. Galerius Aurelianus, aedilis plebis elect, et amicus - looking forward to next year!

Great Thanks go out to our current Consules, particularly my esteemed amicus M. Iulius Severus, diribitores, custodes and all others who worked so diligently on the election.

Valéte et habéte fortúnam bonam!

L. Iulia Aquila

Salvéte, amícae et amící!


Laus Veneris

PALLID with too much longing,
White with passion and prayer,
Goddess of love and beauty,
She sits in the picture there,—

Sits with her dark eyes seeking
Something more subtle still
Than the old delights of loving
Her measureless days to fill.

She has loved and been loved so often
In her long, immortal years,
That she tires of the worn-out rapture,
Sickens of hopes and fears.

No joys or sorrows move her,
Done with her ancient pride;
For her head she found too heavy
The crown she has cast aside.

Clothed in her scarlet splendor,
Bright with her glory of hair,
Sad that she is not mortal,—
Eternally sad and fair,

Longing for joys she knows not,
Athirst with a vain desire,
There she sits in the picture,
Daughter of foam and fire.


By Louise Chandler Moulton

A bit sad but I do not think she longs to be mortal as she experiences mortality through us mortals...

Optimé valéte in pace Veneris

L. Iulia Aquila

Salvéte omnés,

A few Saturnalia Videos that some of you may have already seen:

1) First my favorite because of the fun pageantry:

Saturnalia Parade Chester 08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2epmPrUunDM

2) The music is a bit somber but I think you will like it, a Latin song composed and performed by David W Solomons:

Io! Saturnalia (Hooray, it's Saturnalia)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5uG6zaDaIM

3) And this is just a family celebrating Saturnalia, catch the "pronunciation";)

Saturnalia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0YavBbS4zw

4) This is because everyone gets into the act and this is what Saturnalia is about!:

Have Yourself a Merry Saturnalia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0idTPDBD6s

5) Now, you may ask why I posted this but - this is also of the Spirit of Saturnalia:

Latin Fun Time Saturnalia Song
Warning Start at 2:23 (or you will go insane)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33BuLEVRKBE

Cúráte ut valéatis atque di vos incolumes custodiant.

Julia

Salvete!

I posted some Saturnalia videos here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/72391

Valete,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete;
> I just wanted to let everyone know that there are big sales starting now in the U.S. and Amazon ships to Europe and Canada.
> so get your good Saturnalia presents:) I'm getting a smartpen and can't wait.
> optime vale
> Maior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete amica Julia et omnes;
> > hehe, I know you need that Grecian cuff). The weather was so nasty today I'll go to the library Monday, there are modernized Apicius recipes in the Ancient Roman cookbooks; anything that you want exactly? . Lentule? anyone?
> >
> > And here is Agricola's shop Domus Lucretia at Cafe Press:
> > http://www.cafepress.com/domuslucretius
> >
> > if you scroll down he has Saturnalia cards and buttons, I have one on my coat that I wear year round.
> >
> > And finally my favorite: Saturninus' calendar. I'm buying the poster-sized one and framing it.
> > http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar/
> > valete in tempore Saturni!
> > Maior
> >
> > Agricola told me last year he made over $100 for Nova Roma with the shops, and with the website move we couldn't work on them. But next year ....
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Salve Maior amica!!!!!!
> > >
> > > I love this!!! Thank you!!!! I really need to get in touch with Agricola - it has been tooo long... I need the grecian cuff - I do not want it - i *need* it!
> > > I have Mark Grant's Roman Cookery and it is ok but it doesn't have the variety I like so I am going to look at some of the ancient sources like Apicus and convert measurements and try to match herbs and veggies, I've had some luck with that - that's how I did the veggie menu for you earlier this year.
> > > I am, though, going to something a bit modern for Saturnalia - I am making a huge lasagna, very simple, meatless tomato sauce, ricotta, lots of mozzarella, lasagna pasta, pecorino romano parmesan - and lots of spices. It's tradition for my family at Saturnalia and so I will just make double. Wish i could get some fresh Italian bread from NY though. But we are going to have traditional Roman foods also, I am thinking of a pear dish. The others are really getting into it though - esp. the herbs!The pomegranates have been good so far but they are not quite at their best so maybe they will be perfection by Saturnalia.
> > > As i know more I will share it and maybe we can get ideas from one another.
> > >
> > > Talk soon amica,
> > >
> > > Cura ut valeas,
> > >
> > > Julia
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salvete Julia et omnes;
> > > > Latin tomorrow so I will go to the library and look into some Ancient Roman cookbooks for recipes.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone has any requests for Roman recipes, just post them and I'll see what is there.
> > > >
> > > > Julia you are invited to my spring Bona Dea party for sure:)
> > > >
> > > > and here is our NR Amazon shop:
> > > > http://astore.amazon.co.uk/novrom-21 - U.K.
> > > > http://astore.amazon.ca/novrom08-20 - Canada
> > > > http://astore.amazon.com/novrom-20 - U.S.
> > > >
> > > > M. Lucretius Agricola who made these shops, couldn't do one for France so apologies! Just click upper left for "Saturnalia" and you'll see the great gifts you can give. I want some!
> > > > valete in tempore Saturni
> > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > > candidate for praetor
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Salvete cives,

My heartfelt congratulations to all the winners of this year's elections. May I especially offer my congratulations to our senior consul-elect, P. Memmius Albucius, and praetor-elect Equestria Iunia Laeca. I am glad to see you both in the positions you have justly earned.

Valete,

Palladius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M.C.C." <complutensis@...> wrote:
>
> M. Curiatius Complutensis Consul, M. Iulio Severo Consuli collegae,
> Praetoribus, Tribunibus Plebis, Senatoribus, Civibusque Novae Romae S.P.D.
>
> Diribitor M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus has forwarded the final
> election results for Comitia Centuriata which are copypasted in this
> message:
>
>
> /PRAEFATIO/ - PREFACE TO THE PRAYER
> /
> "Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
> te hoc ture commovendo
> bonas preces precor,
> uti sis volens propitius
> nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,/
>
> /magistratibus candidatis,/
>
> /consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,/
>
> /tribuno C. Vipsanio et plebi Novae Romanae,/
>
> /Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
> mihi, domo, familiae!/"
>
> Jupiter, Best and Greatest,
> by offering you this incense
> I pray good prayers so
> that you be benevolent and propitious
> to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,
>
> to the candidates for magistracies,
>
> to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova
> Roman People of Quirites,
>
> to the Presiding Tribune, C. Vipsanius and to the Nova Roman Plebs,
>
> to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
> to me, to my household and to my family.
>
> (Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)
>
>
> /"Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
> uti te ture commovendo
> bonas preces precatus sum,
> eiusdem rei ergo
> macte vino inferio esto!"/
>
> Jupiter, Best and Greatest,
> as by offering incense
> I have prayed good prayers,
> for the very same reason
> be thou blessed by this wine.
>
> (Libation of wine is made.)
> /
> PRECATIO/ - THE PRAYER
> /
> "Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
> te precor, quaesoque:
> uti suffragia tu custodias/
>
> /utique suffriagia incerta voluntate tua decernas,/
>
> /cum sestertio Novo Romano sortem faciam;/
>
> /utique sies volens propitius/
>
> /nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,/
>
> /magistratibus candidatis,/
>
> /consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,/
>
> /tribuno C. Vipsanio et plebi Novae Romanae/
>
> /Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
> mihi, domo, familiae!/"
>
> Jupiter, Best and Greatest,
> I pray and ask you so
> that you watch over our elections,
>
> and you decide the tie votes according to your will
> when I will draw the lots by tossing a Nova Roman sesterce;
> and that you be benevolent and propitious
> to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,
>
> to the candidates for magistracies,
>
> to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova
> Roman People of Quirites,
>
> to the Presiding Tribune, C. Vipsanius and to the Nova Roman Plebs,
>
> to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
> to me, to my household and to my family.
>
>
> /SACRIFICIUM/ - THE SACRIFICE
>
> /"Cuius rei ergo macte
> hoc vino libando,
> hoc ture ommovendo
> esto fito volens propitius
> nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,/
>
> /magistratibus candidatis,/
>
> /consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,/
>
> /tribuno C. Vipsanio et plebi Novae Romanae,/
>
> /Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
> mihi, domo, familiae!/"
>
> For this reason, thou blessed
> by offering this wine,
> by offering this incense
> be benevolent and propitious
> to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,
>
> to the candidates for magistracies,
>
> to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova
> Roman People of Quirites,
>
> to the Presiding Tribune, C. Vipsanius and to the Nova Roman Plebs,
>
> to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
> to me, to my household and to my family.
>
>
> (Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)
>
>
>
> *AFTER THIS the ties were ceremonially broken by lot.*
>
> *See the report below.*
>
>
>
> FINAL RESULTS OF THE CONSULAR ELECTION IN THE COMITIA CENTURIATA
>
>
>
> - Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum:
> /
> "In the first round, the first (number one) preferences of the centuries
> are compared. If at this stage any candidate is the first preference of
> more than fifty per cent of the centuries (not including any 'void'
> centuries - centuries in which no 'yes' votes were cast), that candidate
> is elected. If no candidate has a majority of first-preference votes,
> then the candidate who is the number one choice of fewest centuries
> (ties being decided by lot) is eliminated. The election or elimination
> of a candidate ends the first round."
>
> "If at the end of any round the number of candidates is equal to the
> number of vacancies and all the candidates have the same number of
> centuries, the tie is decided by lot, but rather than eliminate the
> loser, the winner is elected, and the round ends."/
>
>
>
> *_1st round (48 centuriae voted, 25 centuriae needed to win)_*
>
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius - 16 centuriae
>
> K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus - 15 centuriae
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus - 9 centuriae
> C. Equtius Cato - 8 centuria
>
> *No one is elected in the first round of counting.
> C. Equtius Cato is eliminated because he is the candidate who is the
> number one choice of fewest centuries.
> *
>
> - Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum:
> /
> "If there still are vacancies to be filled, there is a second round in
> which each century which voted for the elected or eliminated candidate
> as its first choice is given to its second choice candidate. If any such
> century has no second choice, that century becomes 'void'. As before, if
> any candidate now has a majority of the centuries (not including any
> 'void' centuries), he or she is elected. If not, the candidate with the
> fewest centuries is eliminated. This concludes the second round." /
>
> *_2nd round (47 centuriae counted, 24 centuriae needed to win)_*
>
> P. Memmius Albucius - 18 centuriae
> K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus - 15 centuriae
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus - 14 centuriae
>
> *No one is elected in the second round of counting.
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus is eliminated in the second round.
> *
> - Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum:
> /
> "If there are still vacancies to be filled, each century held by the
> candidate who was elected or eliminated in the previous round is given
> to its second choice candidate or, if that candidate has been elected or
> eliminated, to its third choice candidate. Any century having no
> candidate as its next choice becomes 'void'. Any candidate who now has a
> majority of centuries (not including 'void' centuries) is elected, and
> if no candidate has a majority then the candidate with the fewest
> centuries is eliminated, ending the third round."
>
> "This procedure is repeated until all the vacancies are filled."/
>
>
>
> *_3rd round (39 centuriae counted, 20 centuriae needed to win)_*
>
> P. Memmius Albucius - 21 centuriae
> K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus - 18 centuriae
>
>
> *P. Memmius Albucius is elected** in the third round. Eliminated from
> further counting.*
>
> * *
>
> *_4th round (38 centuriae counted, 19 centuriae needed to win)_*
>
> K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus - 38 centuriae
>
> *K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus* *is elected in the fourth round.*
>
> * *
>
> *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
>
> *SUMMARY:*
>
> *CONSULES ELECTED BY THE CENTURIES ARE:*
>
> *P. Memmius Albucius and K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
>
>
>
>
>
> II. FINAL RESULTS OF THE PRAETORIAL ELECTION IN THE COMITIA CENTURIATA
>
>
>
> *_1st round (48 centuriae voted, 25 centuriae needed to win)_*
>
> Equestria Iunia Laeca - 17 centuriae
> M. Hortensia Maior -- 12 centuriae
> Cn. Iulius Caesar - 11 centuriae
> Q. Fabius Maximus -- 8 centuriae
>
>
> *No one is elected in the first round of counting.
> Q. Fabius Maximus is eliminated because he is the candidate who is the
> number one choice of the fewest centuries.*
>
> * *
>
> *_2nd round (47 centuriae counted, 24 centuriae needed to win)_*
>
> Equestria Iunia Laeca -- 16 centuriae
> M. Hortensia Maior -- 16 centuriae
>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar -- 15 centuriae
>
> *No one is elected in the second round of counting.
> Cn. Iulius Caesar is eliminated because he is the candidate who is the
> number one choice of the fewest centuries.*
>
> * *
>
> *_3rd round (38 centuriae counted, 20 centuriae needed to win)_*
>
> Equestria Iunia Laeca -- 20 centuriae
> M. Hortensia Maior -- 18 centuriae
>
>
>
> *Equestria Iunia Laeca is elected in the second round. Eliminated from
> further counting.*
>
>
>
>
>
> *_4th round (32 centuriae counted, 17 centuriae needed to win)_*
>
> M. Hortensia Maior -- 32 centuriae
>
>
>
> *M. Hortensia Maior* *is elected in the second round.*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
>
> *SUMMARY:*
>
> *PRAETRICES ELECTED BY THE CENTURIES ARE:*
>
> *Equestria Iunia Laeca and M. Hortensia Maior*
>
> *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
>
>
>
> * *
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
> III. FINAL RESULTS OF THE CENSORIAL ELECTION IN THE COMITIA CENTURIATA
>
>
>
>
>
> As Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus withdrew his candidacy before the
> beginning of the elections, he is not counted. He received the votes of
> 1 century.
>
>
>
> *_1st round (44 centuriae voted, 23 centuriae needed to win)_*
>
> T. Iulius Sabinus -- 43 centuriae
> Invalid vote - 1 centuria
>
>
> *T. Iulius Sabinus is elected in the first round of counting.
> *
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
>
> *SUMMARY:*
>
> *CENSOR ELECTED BY THE FIRST CLASS CENTURIES IS:*
>
> *T. Iulius Sabinus*
>
> *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
>

Palladio sen. s.d.

Thanks for your words, Censori! Your appreciation does honor me, especially being associated with Hon. Iunia, dignified representative of a much esteemed gens.

Vale sincerely,


P. Memmius Albucius
praetor, cos. el.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete cives,
>
> My heartfelt congratulations to all the winners of this year's elections. May I especially offer my congratulations to our senior consul-elect, P. Memmius Albucius, and praetor-elect Equestria Iunia Laeca. I am glad to see you both in the positions you have justly earned.
>
> Valete,
>
> Palladius
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M.C.C." <complutensis@> wrote:
> >
> > M. Curiatius Complutensis Consul, M. Iulio Severo Consuli collegae,
> > Praetoribus, Tribunibus Plebis, Senatoribus, Civibusque Novae Romae S.P.D.
> >
> > Diribitor M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus has forwarded the final
> > election results for Comitia Centuriata which are copypasted in this
> > message:
> >
> >
> > /PRAEFATIO/ - PREFACE TO THE PRAYER
> > /
> > "Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
> > te hoc ture commovendo
> > bonas preces precor,
> > uti sis volens propitius
> > nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,/
> >
> > /magistratibus candidatis,/
> >
> > /consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,/
> >
> > /tribuno C. Vipsanio et plebi Novae Romanae,/
> >
> > /Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
> > mihi, domo, familiae!/"
> >
> > Jupiter, Best and Greatest,
> > by offering you this incense
> > I pray good prayers so
> > that you be benevolent and propitious
> > to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,
> >
> > to the candidates for magistracies,
> >
> > to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova
> > Roman People of Quirites,
> >
> > to the Presiding Tribune, C. Vipsanius and to the Nova Roman Plebs,
> >
> > to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
> > to me, to my household and to my family.
> >
> > (Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)
> >
> >
> > /"Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
> > uti te ture commovendo
> > bonas preces precatus sum,
> > eiusdem rei ergo
> > macte vino inferio esto!"/
> >
> > Jupiter, Best and Greatest,
> > as by offering incense
> > I have prayed good prayers,
> > for the very same reason
> > be thou blessed by this wine.
> >
> > (Libation of wine is made.)
> > /
> > PRECATIO/ - THE PRAYER
> > /
> > "Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
> > te precor, quaesoque:
> > uti suffragia tu custodias/
> >
> > /utique suffriagia incerta voluntate tua decernas,/
> >
> > /cum sestertio Novo Romano sortem faciam;/
> >
> > /utique sies volens propitius/
> >
> > /nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,/
> >
> > /magistratibus candidatis,/
> >
> > /consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,/
> >
> > /tribuno C. Vipsanio et plebi Novae Romanae/
> >
> > /Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
> > mihi, domo, familiae!/"
> >
> > Jupiter, Best and Greatest,
> > I pray and ask you so
> > that you watch over our elections,
> >
> > and you decide the tie votes according to your will
> > when I will draw the lots by tossing a Nova Roman sesterce;
> > and that you be benevolent and propitious
> > to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,
> >
> > to the candidates for magistracies,
> >
> > to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova
> > Roman People of Quirites,
> >
> > to the Presiding Tribune, C. Vipsanius and to the Nova Roman Plebs,
> >
> > to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
> > to me, to my household and to my family.
> >
> >
> > /SACRIFICIUM/ - THE SACRIFICE
> >
> > /"Cuius rei ergo macte
> > hoc vino libando,
> > hoc ture ommovendo
> > esto fito volens propitius
> > nobis custodibus diribitoribusque,/
> >
> > /magistratibus candidatis,/
> >
> > /consuli M. Curiatio et Rei Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,/
> >
> > /tribuno C. Vipsanio et plebi Novae Romanae,/
> >
> > /Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
> > mihi, domo, familiae!/"
> >
> > For this reason, thou blessed
> > by offering this wine,
> > by offering this incense
> > be benevolent and propitious
> > to us, the Custodes and Diribitores,
> >
> > to the candidates for magistracies,
> >
> > to the Presiding Consul M. Curiatius and to the Republic of the Nova
> > Roman People of Quirites,
> >
> > to the Presiding Tribune, C. Vipsanius and to the Nova Roman Plebs,
> >
> > to the Senate and People of the Nova Roman Quirites,
> > to me, to my household and to my family.
> >
> >
> > (Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)
> >
> >
> >
> > *AFTER THIS the ties were ceremonially broken by lot.*
> >
> > *See the report below.*
> >
> >
> >
> > FINAL RESULTS OF THE CONSULAR ELECTION IN THE COMITIA CENTURIATA
> >
> >
> >
> > - Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum:
> > /
> > "In the first round, the first (number one) preferences of the centuries
> > are compared. If at this stage any candidate is the first preference of
> > more than fifty per cent of the centuries (not including any 'void'
> > centuries - centuries in which no 'yes' votes were cast), that candidate
> > is elected. If no candidate has a majority of first-preference votes,
> > then the candidate who is the number one choice of fewest centuries
> > (ties being decided by lot) is eliminated. The election or elimination
> > of a candidate ends the first round."
> >
> > "If at the end of any round the number of candidates is equal to the
> > number of vacancies and all the candidates have the same number of
> > centuries, the tie is decided by lot, but rather than eliminate the
> > loser, the winner is elected, and the round ends."/
> >
> >
> >
> > *_1st round (48 centuriae voted, 25 centuriae needed to win)_*
> >
> >
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius - 16 centuriae
> >
> > K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus - 15 centuriae
> > Ti. Galerius Paulinus - 9 centuriae
> > C. Equtius Cato - 8 centuria
> >
> > *No one is elected in the first round of counting.
> > C. Equtius Cato is eliminated because he is the candidate who is the
> > number one choice of fewest centuries.
> > *
> >
> > - Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum:
> > /
> > "If there still are vacancies to be filled, there is a second round in
> > which each century which voted for the elected or eliminated candidate
> > as its first choice is given to its second choice candidate. If any such
> > century has no second choice, that century becomes 'void'. As before, if
> > any candidate now has a majority of the centuries (not including any
> > 'void' centuries), he or she is elected. If not, the candidate with the
> > fewest centuries is eliminated. This concludes the second round." /
> >
> > *_2nd round (47 centuriae counted, 24 centuriae needed to win)_*
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius - 18 centuriae
> > K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus - 15 centuriae
> > Ti. Galerius Paulinus - 14 centuriae
> >
> > *No one is elected in the second round of counting.
> > Ti. Galerius Paulinus is eliminated in the second round.
> > *
> > - Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum:
> > /
> > "If there are still vacancies to be filled, each century held by the
> > candidate who was elected or eliminated in the previous round is given
> > to its second choice candidate or, if that candidate has been elected or
> > eliminated, to its third choice candidate. Any century having no
> > candidate as its next choice becomes 'void'. Any candidate who now has a
> > majority of centuries (not including 'void' centuries) is elected, and
> > if no candidate has a majority then the candidate with the fewest
> > centuries is eliminated, ending the third round."
> >
> > "This procedure is repeated until all the vacancies are filled."/
> >
> >
> >
> > *_3rd round (39 centuriae counted, 20 centuriae needed to win)_*
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius - 21 centuriae
> > K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus - 18 centuriae
> >
> >
> > *P. Memmius Albucius is elected** in the third round. Eliminated from
> > further counting.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *_4th round (38 centuriae counted, 19 centuriae needed to win)_*
> >
> > K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus - 38 centuriae
> >
> > *K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus* *is elected in the fourth round.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
> >
> > *SUMMARY:*
> >
> > *CONSULES ELECTED BY THE CENTURIES ARE:*
> >
> > *P. Memmius Albucius and K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > II. FINAL RESULTS OF THE PRAETORIAL ELECTION IN THE COMITIA CENTURIATA
> >
> >
> >
> > *_1st round (48 centuriae voted, 25 centuriae needed to win)_*
> >
> > Equestria Iunia Laeca - 17 centuriae
> > M. Hortensia Maior -- 12 centuriae
> > Cn. Iulius Caesar - 11 centuriae
> > Q. Fabius Maximus -- 8 centuriae
> >
> >
> > *No one is elected in the first round of counting.
> > Q. Fabius Maximus is eliminated because he is the candidate who is the
> > number one choice of the fewest centuries.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *_2nd round (47 centuriae counted, 24 centuriae needed to win)_*
> >
> > Equestria Iunia Laeca -- 16 centuriae
> > M. Hortensia Maior -- 16 centuriae
> >
> > Cn. Iulius Caesar -- 15 centuriae
> >
> > *No one is elected in the second round of counting.
> > Cn. Iulius Caesar is eliminated because he is the candidate who is the
> > number one choice of the fewest centuries.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *_3rd round (38 centuriae counted, 20 centuriae needed to win)_*
> >
> > Equestria Iunia Laeca -- 20 centuriae
> > M. Hortensia Maior -- 18 centuriae
> >
> >
> >
> > *Equestria Iunia Laeca is elected in the second round. Eliminated from
> > further counting.*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *_4th round (32 centuriae counted, 17 centuriae needed to win)_*
> >
> > M. Hortensia Maior -- 32 centuriae
> >
> >
> >
> > *M. Hortensia Maior* *is elected in the second round.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
> >
> > *SUMMARY:*
> >
> > *PRAETRICES ELECTED BY THE CENTURIES ARE:*
> >
> > *Equestria Iunia Laeca and M. Hortensia Maior*
> >
> > *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
> >
> >
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *
> >
> > *
> >
> > *
> >
> > *
> >
> > III. FINAL RESULTS OF THE CENSORIAL ELECTION IN THE COMITIA CENTURIATA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus withdrew his candidacy before the
> > beginning of the elections, he is not counted. He received the votes of
> > 1 century.
> >
> >
> >
> > *_1st round (44 centuriae voted, 23 centuriae needed to win)_*
> >
> > T. Iulius Sabinus -- 43 centuriae
> > Invalid vote - 1 centuria
> >
> >
> > *T. Iulius Sabinus is elected in the first round of counting.
> > *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
> >
> > *SUMMARY:*
> >
> > *CENSOR ELECTED BY THE FIRST CLASS CENTURIES IS:*
> >
> > *T. Iulius Sabinus*
> >
> > *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
> >
>

Omnibus s.d.

As we are evoking Saturnalia etc., just a reminder: tomorrow is an "ater" day, as well as next sunday.

A re-glance to both following pages may be useful to us all:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Fasti_MMDCCLXII
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Responsum_Pontificum_de_Diebus_%28Nova_Roma%29


Valete omnes!



Albucius pr.

Salvete Julia omnesques;
I'm taking a break from work and watching them now. They are so much fun! tibi gratias ago.

I'll bring the lyrics to "Io Saturnalia" to my Latin Circle along with the honey cakes as we're definitely going to sing "Have yourself a Merry Saturnalia." Just love it:)
bene valete in pacem Saturni
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete!
>
> I posted some Saturnalia videos here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/72391
>
> Valete,
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete;
> > I just wanted to let everyone know that there are big sales starting now in the U.S. and Amazon ships to Europe and Canada.
> > so get your good Saturnalia presents:) I'm getting a smartpen and can't wait.
> > optime vale
> > Maior
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvete amica Julia et omnes;
> > > hehe, I know you need that Grecian cuff). The weather was so nasty today I'll go to the library Monday, there are modernized Apicius recipes in the Ancient Roman cookbooks; anything that you want exactly? . Lentule? anyone?
> > >
> > > And here is Agricola's shop Domus Lucretia at Cafe Press:
> > > http://www.cafepress.com/domuslucretius
> > >
> > > if you scroll down he has Saturnalia cards and buttons, I have one on my coat that I wear year round.
> > >
> > > And finally my favorite: Saturninus' calendar. I'm buying the poster-sized one and framing it.
> > > http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar/
> > > valete in tempore Saturni!
> > > Maior
> > >
> > > Agricola told me last year he made over $100 for Nova Roma with the shops, and with the website move we couldn't work on them. But next year ....
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Salve Maior amica!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > I love this!!! Thank you!!!! I really need to get in touch with Agricola - it has been tooo long... I need the grecian cuff - I do not want it - i *need* it!
> > > > I have Mark Grant's Roman Cookery and it is ok but it doesn't have the variety I like so I am going to look at some of the ancient sources like Apicus and convert measurements and try to match herbs and veggies, I've had some luck with that - that's how I did the veggie menu for you earlier this year.
> > > > I am, though, going to something a bit modern for Saturnalia - I am making a huge lasagna, very simple, meatless tomato sauce, ricotta, lots of mozzarella, lasagna pasta, pecorino romano parmesan - and lots of spices. It's tradition for my family at Saturnalia and so I will just make double. Wish i could get some fresh Italian bread from NY though. But we are going to have traditional Roman foods also, I am thinking of a pear dish. The others are really getting into it though - esp. the herbs!The pomegranates have been good so far but they are not quite at their best so maybe they will be perfection by Saturnalia.
> > > > As i know more I will share it and maybe we can get ideas from one another.
> > > >
> > > > Talk soon amica,
> > > >
> > > > Cura ut valeas,
> > > >
> > > > Julia
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salvete Julia et omnes;
> > > > > Latin tomorrow so I will go to the library and look into some Ancient Roman cookbooks for recipes.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone has any requests for Roman recipes, just post them and I'll see what is there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Julia you are invited to my spring Bona Dea party for sure:)
> > > > >
> > > > > and here is our NR Amazon shop:
> > > > > http://astore.amazon.co.uk/novrom-21 - U.K.
> > > > > http://astore.amazon.ca/novrom08-20 - Canada
> > > > > http://astore.amazon.com/novrom-20 - U.S.
> > > > >
> > > > > M. Lucretius Agricola who made these shops, couldn't do one for France so apologies! Just click upper left for "Saturnalia" and you'll see the great gifts you can give. I want some!
> > > > > valete in tempore Saturni
> > > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > > > candidate for praetor
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Plauta Catoni sal.

I know losing an election is bad, but it's not an apocalypse! Cheer up,
Cato!

Optime vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cato" <catoinnyc@.....>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:24 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: My thanks and congratulations


Dies irae! dies illa
Solvet saeclum in favilla...
Preces meae non sunt dignae:
Sed tu bonus fac benigne,
Ne perenni cremer igne.
Lacrimosa dies illa,
qua resurget ex favilla
iudicandus homo reus.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;
>
> This is a great day!

Salve Julia,
actually we should have an internet connection on the premises, so we might
be able to make a conference call, or at least chat via Skype. We just have
to figure out the time difference.

Optime vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:35 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: INVITATION TO A Nova Roman Saturnalia Party (19th
Dec.)


Salve Lentule,

I shall be there in spirit as I hope you will be at the Saturnalia on the
same night here in Nashville in spirit amice,

Vale optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae et pontifex Quiritibus SPD
>
> It is a preliminary invitation to you, fellow Nova Romans, to a Nova Roman
> Saturnalia Party in Pannonia, Budapest, Hungary.
>
> Date: 19th December, 7 PM
>
> With
> live music, dance Saturnus-ceremony, living Latin, free dinner, wine,
> free accommodation at the Pannonian Nova Romans' houses up to 6 people.
>
> FREE ACCOMMODATION AND MEAL
>
> Please reply in private mail if interested!
>
> Valete!
>
>
> Cn.Cornelius Lentulus
> Legatus Pro Praetore
> PANNONIA PROVINCIA
>

Salve Livvia;
7 hrs for Julia; 6 for me. I want to be in on the party!
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Julia,
> actually we should have an internet connection on the premises, so we might
> be able to make a conference call, or at least chat via Skype. We just have
> to figure out the time difference.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:35 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: INVITATION TO A Nova Roman Saturnalia Party (19th
> Dec.)
>
>
> Salve Lentule,
>
> I shall be there in spirit as I hope you will be at the Saturnalia on the
> same night here in Nashville in spirit amice,
>
> Vale optime,
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
> <cn_corn_lent@> wrote:
> >
> > Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae et pontifex Quiritibus SPD
> >
> > It is a preliminary invitation to you, fellow Nova Romans, to a Nova Roman
> > Saturnalia Party in Pannonia, Budapest, Hungary.
> >
> > Date: 19th December, 7 PM
> >
> > With
> > live music, dance Saturnus-ceremony, living Latin, free dinner, wine,
> > free accommodation at the Pannonian Nova Romans' houses up to 6 people.
> >
> > FREE ACCOMMODATION AND MEAL
> >
> > Please reply in private mail if interested!
> >
> > Valete!
> >
> >
> > Cn.Cornelius Lentulus
> > Legatus Pro Praetore
> > PANNONIA PROVINCIA
> >
>

Salve Livia!

I must get skype, wonder if I can get it on my iphone? Ok I have to start working on it - we should have some laptops available.
That would be so cool..

Vale

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Julia,
> actually we should have an internet connection on the premises, so we might
> be able to make a conference call, or at least chat via Skype. We just have
> to figure out the time difference.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:35 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: INVITATION TO A Nova Roman Saturnalia Party (19th
> Dec.)
>
>
> Salve Lentule,
>
> I shall be there in spirit as I hope you will be at the Saturnalia on the
> same night here in Nashville in spirit amice,
>
> Vale optime,
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
> <cn_corn_lent@> wrote:
> >
> > Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae et pontifex Quiritibus SPD
> >
> > It is a preliminary invitation to you, fellow Nova Romans, to a Nova Roman
> > Saturnalia Party in Pannonia, Budapest, Hungary.
> >
> > Date: 19th December, 7 PM
> >
> > With
> > live music, dance Saturnus-ceremony, living Latin, free dinner, wine,
> > free accommodation at the Pannonian Nova Romans' houses up to 6 people.
> >
> > FREE ACCOMMODATION AND MEAL
> >
> > Please reply in private mail if interested!
> >
> > Valete!
> >
> >
> > Cn.Cornelius Lentulus
> > Legatus Pro Praetore
> > PANNONIA PROVINCIA
> >
>

Salve Maior!

Of course!I think Lentulus and Livia's celebration begins about noon my time - so I can party via the web while the food is cooking! And it is Lasagna and I do not care if it is not historical - it will feed and army!*laughs* But we will have other very historical food and wine and gifts... I am getting so excited! Dec 13th we are having a final meeting beforehand.

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Livvia;
> 7 hrs for Julia; 6 for me. I want to be in on the party!
> Maior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Julia,
> > actually we should have an internet connection on the premises, so we might
> > be able to make a conference call, or at least chat via Skype. We just have
> > to figure out the time difference.
> >
> > Optime vale,
> > Livia
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@>
> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:35 PM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: INVITATION TO A Nova Roman Saturnalia Party (19th
> > Dec.)
> >
> >
> > Salve Lentule,
> >
> > I shall be there in spirit as I hope you will be at the Saturnalia on the
> > same night here in Nashville in spirit amice,
> >
> > Vale optime,
> >
> > Julia
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
> > <cn_corn_lent@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae et pontifex Quiritibus SPD
> > >
> > > It is a preliminary invitation to you, fellow Nova Romans, to a Nova Roman
> > > Saturnalia Party in Pannonia, Budapest, Hungary.
> > >
> > > Date: 19th December, 7 PM
> > >
> > > With
> > > live music, dance Saturnus-ceremony, living Latin, free dinner, wine,
> > > free accommodation at the Pannonian Nova Romans' houses up to 6 people.
> > >
> > > FREE ACCOMMODATION AND MEAL
> > >
> > > Please reply in private mail if interested!
> > >
> > > Valete!
> > >
> > >
> > > Cn.Cornelius Lentulus
> > > Legatus Pro Praetore
> > > PANNONIA PROVINCIA
> > >
> >
>

hehe, Julia lasagna is great, think of the tomatoes, a very Roman thing to do, so you have native provincial foods & Roman ones!

You can get google talk via iphone I donnt know about skype I was just thinking about mebeam, that's a chatroom platform, free, you just need a videocam. So we'd be shooting from all over:)
I'm excited too!
Maior

---

>
> Salve Maior!
>
> Of course!I think Lentulus and Livia's celebration begins about noon my time - so I can party via the web while the food is cooking! And it is Lasagna and I do not care if it is not historical - it will feed and army!*laughs* But we will have other very historical food and wine and gifts... I am getting so excited! Dec 13th we are having a final meeting beforehand.
>
> Vale,
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Livvia;
> > 7 hrs for Julia; 6 for me. I want to be in on the party!
> > Maior
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Julia,
> > > actually we should have an internet connection on the premises, so we might
> > > be able to make a conference call, or at least chat via Skype. We just have
> > > to figure out the time difference.
> > >
> > > Optime vale,
> > > Livia
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@>
> > > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:35 PM
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: INVITATION TO A Nova Roman Saturnalia Party (19th
> > > Dec.)
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve Lentule,
> > >
> > > I shall be there in spirit as I hope you will be at the Saturnalia on the
> > > same night here in Nashville in spirit amice,
> > >
> > > Vale optime,
> > >
> > > Julia
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
> > > <cn_corn_lent@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae et pontifex Quiritibus SPD
> > > >
> > > > It is a preliminary invitation to you, fellow Nova Romans, to a Nova Roman
> > > > Saturnalia Party in Pannonia, Budapest, Hungary.
> > > >
> > > > Date: 19th December, 7 PM
> > > >
> > > > With
> > > > live music, dance Saturnus-ceremony, living Latin, free dinner, wine,
> > > > free accommodation at the Pannonian Nova Romans' houses up to 6 people.
> > > >
> > > > FREE ACCOMMODATION AND MEAL
> > > >
> > > > Please reply in private mail if interested!
> > > >
> > > > Valete!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cn.Cornelius Lentulus
> > > > Legatus Pro Praetore
> > > > PANNONIA PROVINCIA
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Salve Palladi

Thank you very much for your kind words. As a particularly proud
member of the gens you founded; Iunia, I have had the great fortune of
your distinguished wisdom throughout the years. There are no words
that could adequately express both how deeply I have appreciated this
support and how much inspiration you have provided to me. I am
looking forward to serving with our esteemed consul-elect P. Memmius
Albucius, with whom we share a mutual admiration, as well as all of
our newly elected magistrates.

Vale bene

Equestria

On Dec 1, 2009, at 4:09 PM, deciusiunius wrote:

> Salvete cives,
>
> My heartfelt congratulations to all the winners of this year's
> elections. May I especially offer my congratulations to our senior
> consul-elect, P. Memmius Albucius, and praetor-elect Equestria Iunia
> Laeca. I am glad to see you both in the positions you have justly
> earned.
>
> Valete,
>
> Palladius

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Venus nos complectatur dulce

Hodie est ante diem IIII Nonas Decembris; haec dies nefastus aterque est.

AUC 577 / 176 BCE: Death of Petillius in the Ligurian War

"A few days later the other consul, C. Valerius, arrived. Here, before the two armies separated, a lustration was completed for them both. As the consuls had settled not to make a combined attack on the enemy, they drew lots to decide in which direction each should advance. It was generally understood that Valerius drew his lot under proper auspices within the templum. In the case of Petilius the augurs declared afterwards that he had been at fault in committing a vitium, for as the sortition had been taken with the sitella place within the templum he had remained outside, whereas he ought to have gone into the templum himself.

"Then they started for their respective positions. Petilius fixed his camp fronting the twin heights of Ballista and Letum, which are connected by a continuous ridge. Writers say that whilst he was addressing words of encouragement to his troops, he made the ominous prediction that he would take Letum on that day; the double meaning of the word did not occur to him. He then advanced up the mountain in two divisions. The division which he personally commanded mounted with great spirit, but the enemy forced the other division back, and to restore the battle the consul rode forward and rallied his men. Whilst exposing himself somewhat incautiously in front of the standards, he was struck by a missile and fell. The enemy were not aware of the general's death, and a few of his men who had witnessed it carefully concealed the body, as they felt sure that the victory turned on that. The rest of the troops-infantry and cavalry alike-drove the enemy out of his positions and took the mountain heights without their general; 5000 Ligurians were killed; out of the Roman army 52 fell. In addition to his ill-omened words, to which his death gave a clear significance, it was gathered from what the pullarius said that the auspices had been unfavourable and that the consul was not unaware of this." ~ Titus Livius 41.18

"Worthy of note also is the omen after which Consul Petillius lost his life campaigning in Liguria. He was beseiging a mountain named Letum (death) and in an exhortation to his troops he said, 'Today I shall take Letum without fail.' Then, fighting recklessly, he confirmed the chance utterance by his own death (letum)." ~ Valerius Maximus 1.5.9

The general understanding was that Petillius had knowingly violated augural law by not entering the templum with his colleague for the sortition that determined each of their responsibilities. And thus he placed his army in danger, just as when Appius Claudius had earlier disregarded the sacred chickens and cost Rome a naval disaster during the First Punic War and how Flaminius, in the Second Punic War, was led to disaster at Lake Transimene by neglecting his religious responsibilities. But then by unwittingly stating that "Today I shall capture Death without fail," Petillius saved his army by inadvertingly invoking the wrath of the Gods on himself alone.


Talassio

"Why is the far-famed `Talassio' sung at the marriage ceremony? Is it derived from talasia (spinning)? For they call the wool-basket (talaros) talasus. When they lead in the bride, they spread a fleece beneath her; she herself brings with her a distaff and her spindle, and wreaths her husband's door with wool. Or is the statement of the historians true? They relate that there was a certain young man, brilliant in military achievements and valuable in other ways, whose name was Talasius; and when the Romans were carrying off the daughters of the Sabines who had come to see the games, a maiden of particularly beautiful appearance was being carried off for him by some plebeian retainers of his. To protect their enterprise and to prevent anyone from approaching and trying to wrest the maiden from them, they shouted continually that she was being brought as a wife for Talasius (Talasio). Since, therefore, everyone honored Talasius, they followed along and provided escort, joining in the good wishes and acclamations. Wherefore since Talasius's marriage was happy, they became accustomed to invoke Talasius in other marriages also, even as the Greeks invoke Hymen." ~ Plutarch, Roman Questions 31


For today's thought we turn to Stobaeus, Sentences 10:

"Neither will the horse be adjudged to be generous, that is sumptuously adorned, rather the horse whose nature is illustrious; nor is the man worthy who possesses great wealth, but he whose soul is generous."

Salve Gualtere

Sorry for getting back to this so late. I find your two points here to be utterly mistaken. Taylor, who you cited earlier, pointed out that sortitions took place under the supervision of augures, that they occurred inside a templum erected by augural law, and that any impropriety in performing sortitions was regarded a "vitium in auspicio," as in the passage of Livius that I used today in my calendar post.

A comitia, distinguished from its contio, began when the vessel used in drawing lots was set up in the templum when the comitia was to be conducted. Those vessels were stored as sacred implements inside the treasure rooms of temples. Augures supervised the placement of the vessels and the procedures followed in drawing lots, ensuring that these followed augural law, because sortition is indeed a form of auspicium and does offer a sign from the Gods, which is why Cicero described the centuria praerogativa as the omen comitiorum (De Div 1.103 and 2.83). You might also look at the appendices to Taylor's "Roman Voting Assemblies" where she discussed the Tabula Hebana, its use of the term sortitio to select those centuries used in imperial elections to replace the centuria praerogativa of the Republican era, and the Lex Malacitana, CIL 2.1964. She says here, too, that "it is likely that tie votes in Roman (voting) units were decided by lots."

As in other religious rituals, sortition employed a specialized language. Taylor, Linderski, and Stewart all use the sortition scene from Plautus' Casina as an example, as this was a parody that both followed comitial practice and diverged from it. Language used in conjunction with sortitions, and language on auspicia that indicate sortitions were used as auspicia come for the augures, as opposed to the formulae kept by the pontifices. This is brought out again by Taylor in discussing the symbology on certain coins that pair the augural lituus and an urn as symbols of the augurs and symbols used by magistrates to indicate their authority was sactified through the auspices. Linderseki and Stewart follow Taylor on that point.

Why would an urn with one handle and a spout, whatever it might be called, represent an augur? Among those to write on the subject, Linderski, Taylor and Stewart among them, the urn refers to the role of augures in overseeing sortitions. Only in the case of the Tabula Hebana is there mention of what shape the lots could take; that is, they were to be balls of an equal size. Elsewhere the shape may have been a tile or cube, it didn't much matter. At Praeneste rectangular tiles seem to have been preferred, and in one instance the Roman Senate found this to be unacceptable. In the scene from Casina mention is made by one participant that the lots were checked to ensure that they were not made of fir or other light wood that might float near the top, as the urn was filled with water. The urn had a spout, apparently, to allow the water to be pour out after the lots were stirred up, so that the first lot poured out designated the selection. Not all sitella used for sortitions had a spout, and pouring would not necessarily be the way of selecting a lot. The Tabula Hebana suggests the urn was whirled about until a lot fell out. This is discussed briefly in "Roman Voting Assemblies" p. 71.

Also pointed out on p. 73 is where an interpres Iovis, in other words an augur, was called by the Senate to settle a dispute "over a lot taken under auspices."

Then too is the example of a comitia being stopped by obnuntiatio when the selection of praerogativa curia bode an ill omen. If a sortition is not form of auspicium, how could its result be taken as an omen.

The place of conducting a sortition was an augural space, the equipment of a sortition was associated with augures, the language of a sortition is augural language, oversight of sortitions was by augures, errors in performing a sortition are referred to as vitium in auspicio, and the result of a sortition is described as a omen comitiorum, which could in turn result in an obnuntiatio because it was an ill omen. So where is this not a form of auspicium?

Vale
Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Piscine,
>
> My argument was not primarily based on Cicero--indeed I didn't even mention him in my posts (that was Cato who did). I was trying to make two points. Firstly, that the drawing of lots is not "augury" since it doesn't fit into any of the categories or formal descriptions that are explicitly given in our sources for what augury is or should be (certainly Cicero is an important source here, but there are also others, such as Festus and Servius). Secondly, that the ancient behavior regarding the outcome of lots strongly suggests there was no original conceptual framework which formally linked the results with the will of the gods, even if sometimes this may have been claimed for rhetorical purposes. I can email you the paper on which my second point stands, if you wish.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>

Plauta Messallinae sal.

The Nora story is old, and I had read somewhere that she had died. Well, I
hope that's not true.

Vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maxima Valeria Messallina" <maximavaleriamessallina@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:47 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Kitty of the Year



This is such a sweet story that I just wanted to share this with all the cat
lovers of Nova Roma: http://www.aspca.org/news/national/10-23-09.html


Maxima Valeria Messallina

Ok now how did this thing guess my age and number of times I wanted
chocolate?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maxima Valeria Messallina" <maximavaleriamessallina@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>; <ForTheMuses@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A little fun...


Too bad they did not have chocolate in ancient Rome. I wonder if they had,
how they would have prepared it or what delicious concoctions they would
have made?
Thank goodness, in Nova Roma there will always be plenty of chocolate
(especially if the men know what's good for them LOL).
Here is something sent to me by my sister chocolate lovers that I thought to
pass along. I like to think we can have a little fun on this list,
sometimes.
Enjoy and don't cheat! LOL

Maxima Valeria Messallina
______________________________

YOUR AGE BY CHOCOLATE MATH

No, I'm not asking to know your age! LOL
However, this is pretty neat and it only takes a minute to do. Work this out
as you read. No peeking to the end until you've worked it out!


1. Choose from 1 to 10 the number of times a week that you would like to
have chocolate ( I know for some of us it is more than 10, but this will not
work then. LOL)

2. Multiply this number by 2 (just to be bold)

3. Add 5

4. Multiply it by 50 (I'll wait while you get the calculator LOL)

5. If you have already had your birthday this year add 1759...
If you haven't, add 1758...

6. Now subtract the four digit year that you were born in.
You should have a three digit number.
The first digit of this was your original number, i.e., how many times you
would like to have chocolate each week.
The next two numbers are your age! (Oh, yes it is! LOL)

This is the only year - 2009 - that this will work. :)

Salve,

Actually, I didn't cite Taylor. I cited Rosenstein. As regards the ritual space of sortition, yes, indeed, it was a templum, but all public religious activity was in a templum, so simply because something takes place in a templum doesn't automatically make it augury. But, when actions do take place in a templum they are potentially subject to augural supervision. So Linderski states (2193 n. 173): "It was the augurs who inaugurated the templa, and consequently it was their prerogative to decide the question of the ritual validity of all public acts which took place in a templum." Rosenstein follows Linderski ("Sorting out the lot", 58): "Casting the lots in a templum (and possibly auspicato) merely placed them on the same footing vis-a-vis the gods as public meetings, sessions of the Senate and voting assemblies."

The above addresses the situation in Livy 41.18.7-8 where a "vitii factum" was found because, apparently, Valerius wasn't inside the templum when the sortition took place. I say apparently because 41.18.8 is actually textually corrupt and the exact meaning is unclear. Nevertheless, what would have been the consequence if, let us say, the Senate decided to meet outside of a templum (Gellius 14.7.8: nisi in loco per augures constituto, quod templum appellaretur, senatus consultum factum esset, iustum id non fuisse)? It, too, would have been a vitii factum. This doesn't mean that a Senate meeting or its legislative actions are acts of augury.

Likewise, if a signum ex diriis had been observed during a Senate session then everything would stop, but it doesn't mean the Senate session itself is an act of augury. Such oblative signs can occur in any context where augurs are present for observatio, which explains Livy 9.38.15, where the curia Faucia was drawn and declared a "triste omen". Faucia had become just such a signum not because of anything dealing with sortition, but because it was associated with two disasters, as Livy explains. This also sheds light on what is meant by the praerogativa being an "omen iustorum comitiorum" in Cicero De Div. 1.103: the drawing of the praerogativa was a particular moment at which augurs were on the look out for auspicia oblativa (Rosentein, "Sorting out the lot", 61, overtly argues that divine connexions with the result of the praerogative were mostly in the realm of popular superstitio).

Unfortunately, I don't have Taylor (was checked out at the library) but Linderski thinks she was on the wrong track (2194 n. 173) and Rosenstein's paper begins with a head-on attack on Taylor's interpretation, pointing out that Taylor never collated all of the evidence for sortition and its relationship with the pax deorum. Now, Stewart (_Public Office_ (1998) 38-51) does want to argue that sortition was a type of auspices, but for the above reasons I disagree.

In short, augural jurisdiction doesn't make everything "augury". Indeed, it would be peculiar if the results of sortition were actually considered auspices themselves, since how would you account for examples where the results were ignored? Take, for instance, the story in Livy 26.29 where Marcellus and Laevinus swap provinces after they had been assigned by lot. Are the augurs called in? No. Does Livy consider it contra auspicium? No.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Gualtere
>
> Sorry for getting back to this so late. I find your two points here to be utterly mistaken. Taylor, who you cited earlier, pointed out that sortitions took place under the supervision of augures, that they occurred inside a templum erected by augural law, and that any impropriety in performing sortitions was regarded a "vitium in auspicio," as in the passage of Livius that I used today in my calendar post.
>
> A comitia, distinguished from its contio, began when the vessel used in drawing lots was set up in the templum when the comitia was to be conducted. Those vessels were stored as sacred implements inside the treasure rooms of temples. Augures supervised the placement of the vessels and the procedures followed in drawing lots, ensuring that these followed augural law, because sortition is indeed a form of auspicium and does offer a sign from the Gods, which is why Cicero described the centuria praerogativa as the omen comitiorum (De Div 1.103 and 2.83). You might also look at the appendices to Taylor's "Roman Voting Assemblies" where she discussed the Tabula Hebana, its use of the term sortitio to select those centuries used in imperial elections to replace the centuria praerogativa of the Republican era, and the Lex Malacitana, CIL 2.1964. She says here, too, that "it is likely that tie votes in Roman (voting) units were decided by lots."
>
> As in other religious rituals, sortition employed a specialized language. Taylor, Linderski, and Stewart all use the sortition scene from Plautus' Casina as an example, as this was a parody that both followed comitial practice and diverged from it. Language used in conjunction with sortitions, and language on auspicia that indicate sortitions were used as auspicia come for the augures, as opposed to the formulae kept by the pontifices. This is brought out again by Taylor in discussing the symbology on certain coins that pair the augural lituus and an urn as symbols of the augurs and symbols used by magistrates to indicate their authority was sactified through the auspices. Linderseki and Stewart follow Taylor on that point.
>
> Why would an urn with one handle and a spout, whatever it might be called, represent an augur? Among those to write on the subject, Linderski, Taylor and Stewart among them, the urn refers to the role of augures in overseeing sortitions. Only in the case of the Tabula Hebana is there mention of what shape the lots could take; that is, they were to be balls of an equal size. Elsewhere the shape may have been a tile or cube, it didn't much matter. At Praeneste rectangular tiles seem to have been preferred, and in one instance the Roman Senate found this to be unacceptable. In the scene from Casina mention is made by one participant that the lots were checked to ensure that they were not made of fir or other light wood that might float near the top, as the urn was filled with water. The urn had a spout, apparently, to allow the water to be pour out after the lots were stirred up, so that the first lot poured out designated the selection. Not all sitella used for sortitions had a spout, and pouring would not necessarily be the way of selecting a lot. The Tabula Hebana suggests the urn was whirled about until a lot fell out. This is discussed briefly in "Roman Voting Assemblies" p. 71.
>
> Also pointed out on p. 73 is where an interpres Iovis, in other words an augur, was called by the Senate to settle a dispute "over a lot taken under auspices."
>
> Then too is the example of a comitia being stopped by obnuntiatio when the selection of praerogativa curia bode an ill omen. If a sortition is not form of auspicium, how could its result be taken as an omen.
>
> The place of conducting a sortition was an augural space, the equipment of a sortition was associated with augures, the language of a sortition is augural language, oversight of sortitions was by augures, errors in performing a sortition are referred to as vitium in auspicio, and the result of a sortition is described as a omen comitiorum, which could in turn result in an obnuntiatio because it was an ill omen. So where is this not a form of auspicium?
>
> Vale
> Piscinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Piscine,
> >
> > My argument was not primarily based on Cicero--indeed I didn't even mention him in my posts (that was Cato who did). I was trying to make two points. Firstly, that the drawing of lots is not "augury" since it doesn't fit into any of the categories or formal descriptions that are explicitly given in our sources for what augury is or should be (certainly Cicero is an important source here, but there are also others, such as Festus and Servius). Secondly, that the ancient behavior regarding the outcome of lots strongly suggests there was no original conceptual framework which formally linked the results with the will of the gods, even if sometimes this may have been claimed for rhetorical purposes. I can email you the paper on which my second point stands, if you wish.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Gualterus
> >
>

SALVE!   It works! Really funny!   VALE, T. Iulius Sabinus "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote: From: Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] A little fun... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, ForTheMuses@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 10:10 PM   Too bad they did not have chocolate in ancient Rome. I wonder if they had, how they would have prepared it or what delicious concoctions they would have made?  Thank goodness, in Nova Roma there will always be plenty of chocolate (especially if the men know what's good for them LOL). Here is something sent to me by my sister chocolate lovers that I thought to pass along. I like to think we can have a little fun on this list, sometimes. Enjoy and don't cheat! LOL   Maxima Valeria Messallina ____________ _________ _________   YOUR AGE BY CHOCOLATE MATH No, I'm not asking to know your age! LOL However, this is pretty neat and it only takes a minute to do. Work this out as you read. No peeking to the end until you've worked it out!  1. Choose from 1 to 10 the number of times a week that you would like to have chocolate ( I know for some of us it is more than 10, but this will not work then. LOL)  2. Multiply this number by 2 (just to be bold) 3. Add 5 4. Multiply it by 50  (I'll wait while you get the calculator LOL) 5. If you have already had your birthday this year add 1759... If you haven't, add 1758... 6. Now subtract the four digit year that you were born in. You should have a three digit number. The first digit of this was your original number, i.e., how many times you would like to have chocolate each week. The next two numbers are your age! (Oh, yes it is! LOL) This is the only year - 2009 - that this will work. :)



Vestalis salve!

Mmmmhhhh... a bit off-topic, but let us say that chocolate and smiling are good, too, for us Romans, especially during these cold, short and grey days.

As Sabinus has already pointed it... Chcolate math works!

Nevertheless (dura 'lex' being still 'lex' ;-) ), here is my praetorian (sweet) sanction for this chocolate parenthesis: you must translate in Latin "the cat plays piano and eat chocolate" (Scholastica, do not help our Virgo maxima!).

Waiting...!

Vale bene Messallina,


Albucius pr.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
> Too bad they did not have chocolate in ancient Rome. I wonder if they had, how they would have prepared it or what delicious concoctions they would have made? 
> Thank goodness, in Nova Roma there will always be plenty of chocolate (especially if the men know what's good for them LOL).
> Here is something sent to me by my sister chocolate lovers that I thought to pass along. I like to think we can have a little fun on this list, sometimes.
> Enjoy and don't cheat! LOL
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> ______________________________
>  
> YOUR AGE BY CHOCOLATE MATH
>
> No, I'm not asking to know your age! LOL
> However, this is pretty neat and it only takes a minute to do. Work this out as you read. No peeking to the end until you've worked it out! 
>
>
> 1. Choose from 1 to 10 the number of times a week that you would like to have chocolate ( I know for some of us it is more than 10, but this will not work then. LOL) 
>
> 2. Multiply this number by 2 (just to be bold)
>
> 3. Add 5
>
> 4. Multiply it by 50  (I'll wait while you get the calculator LOL)
>
> 5. If you have already had your birthday this year add 1759...
> If you haven't, add 1758...
>
> 6. Now subtract the four digit year that you were born in.
> You should have a three digit number.
> The first digit of this was your original number, i.e., how many times you would like to have chocolate each week.
> The next two numbers are your age! (Oh, yes it is! LOL)
>
> This is the only year - 2009 - that this will work. :)
>

Dear Friends: Why did Romans name their children Quintus, Sextus, Septimius, Octavius, Nonnius, and Decimus? Why did they never name them by numbers 1, 2, 3, or 4, or 11, 12, or higher? Glad of your help.

Salve,


That was hilarious, that was a nice topic change..


Gratias Maxima!


Vale,
Aeternia

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

 

Too bad they did not have chocolate in ancient Rome. I wonder if they had, how they would have prepared it or what delicious concoctions they would have made?  Thank goodness, in Nova Roma there will always be plenty of chocolate (especially if the men know what's good for them LOL). Here is something sent to me by my sister chocolate lovers that I thought to pass along. I like to think we can have a little fun on this list, sometimes. Enjoy and don't cheat! LOL   Maxima Valeria Messallina ______________________________   YOUR AGE BY CHOCOLATE MATH No, I'm not asking to know your age! LOL However, this is pretty neat and it only takes a minute to do. Work this out as you read. No peeking to the end until you've worked it out!  1. Choose from 1 to 10 the number of times a week that you would like to have chocolate ( I know for some of us it is more than 10, but this will not work then. LOL)  2. Multiply this number by 2 (just to be bold) 3. Add 5 4. Multiply it by 50  (I'll wait while you get the calculator LOL) 5. If you have already had your birthday this year add 1759... If you haven't, add 1758... 6. Now subtract the four digit year that you were born in. You should have a three digit number. The first digit of this was your original number, i.e., how many times you would like to have chocolate each week. The next two numbers are your age! (Oh, yes it is! LOL) This is the only year - 2009 - that this will work. :)

I asked myself the same question! LOL --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Diana Aventina <roman.babe@...> wrote: From: Diana Aventina <roman.babe@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A little fun... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 1:17 PM   Ok now how did this thing guess my age and number of times I wanted chocolate? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maxima Valeria Messallina" <maximavaleriamessal lina@yahoo. com> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com>; <ForTheMuses@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:10 PM Subject: [Nova-Roma] A little fun... Too bad they did not have chocolate in ancient Rome. I wonder if they had, how they would have prepared it or what delicious concoctions they would have made? Thank goodness, in Nova Roma there will always be plenty of chocolate (especially if the men know what's good for them LOL). Here is something sent to me by my sister chocolate lovers that I thought to pass along. I like to think we can have a little fun on this list, sometimes. Enjoy and don't cheat! LOL Maxima Valeria Messallina ____________ _________ _________ YOUR AGE BY CHOCOLATE MATH No, I'm not asking to know your age! LOL However, this is pretty neat and it only takes a minute to do. Work this out as you read. No peeking to the end until you've worked it out! 1. Choose from 1 to 10 the number of times a week that you would like to have chocolate ( I know for some of us it is more than 10, but this will not work then. LOL) 2. Multiply this number by 2 (just to be bold) 3. Add 5 4. Multiply it by 50 (I'll wait while you get the calculator LOL) 5. If you have already had your birthday this year add 1759... If you haven't, add 1758... 6. Now subtract the four digit year that you were born in. You should have a three digit number. The first digit of this was your original number, i.e., how many times you would like to have chocolate each week. The next two numbers are your age! (Oh, yes it is! LOL) This is the only year - 2009 - that this will work. :)

Old? I received this in October. She is Kitty of the Year for 2009. My cat loving friends are still talking about it, but I guess in these fast-moving times, any story over a week old is "old news". As for Nora having passed away, I have not heard that. It would seem that just like people, as soon as fame comes your way, even if you are a cat, the rumor mills start churning.   Maxima Valeria Messallina   --- On Wed, 12/2/09, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...> wrote: From: L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Kitty of the Year To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 12:53 PM   Plauta Messallinae sal. The Nora story is old, and I had read somewhere that she had died. Well, I hope that's not true. Vale, Livia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maxima Valeria Messallina" <maximavaleriamessal lina@yahoo. com> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:47 PM Subject: [Nova-Roma] Kitty of the Year This is such a sweet story that I just wanted to share this with all the cat lovers of Nova Roma: http://www.aspca. org/news/ national/ 10-23-09. html Maxima Valeria Messallina

Oh holy cra...yon. LOL And what do you mean Scholastica can't help me? Ah, man! I'm gonna be up all night with this. :P --- On Wed, 12/2/09, publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote: From: publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A little fun... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 3:32 PM   Vestalis salve! Mmmmhhhh... a bit off-topic, but let us say that chocolate and smiling are good, too, for us Romans, especially during these cold, short and grey days. As Sabinus has already pointed it... Chcolate math works! Nevertheless (dura 'lex' being still 'lex' ;-) ), here is my praetorian (sweet) sanction for this chocolate parenthesis: you must translate in Latin "the cat plays piano and eat chocolate" (Scholastica, do not help our Virgo maxima!). Waiting...! Vale bene Messallina, Albucius pr. --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessa llina@... > wrote: > > Too bad they did not have chocolate in ancient Rome. I wonder if they had, how they would have prepared it or what delicious concoctions they would have made?  > Thank goodness, in Nova Roma there will always be plenty of chocolate (especially if the men know what's good for them LOL). > Here is something sent to me by my sister chocolate lovers that I thought to pass along. I like to think we can have a little fun on this list, sometimes. > Enjoy and don't cheat! LOL >   > Maxima Valeria Messallina > ____________ _________ _________ >   > YOUR AGE BY CHOCOLATE MATH > > No, I'm not asking to know your age! LOL > However, this is pretty neat and it only takes a minute to do. Work this out as you read. No peeking to the end until you've worked it out!  > > > 1. Choose from 1 to 10 the number of times a week that you would like to have chocolate ( I know for some of us it is more than 10, but this will not work then. LOL)  > > 2. Multiply this number by 2 (just to be bold) > > 3.. Add 5 > > 4. Multiply it by 50  (I'll wait while you get the calculator LOL) > > 5. If you have already had your birthday this year add 1759... > If you haven't, add 1758... > > 6. Now subtract the four digit year that you were born in. > You should have a three digit number. > The first digit of this was your original number, i.e., how many times you would like to have chocolate each week. > The next two numbers are your age! (Oh, yes it is! LOL) > > This is the only year - 2009 - that this will work. :) >

Salve Steve,

Welcome to Nova Roma. Thanks for dropping by.

Steve_geo1 <steve_geo1@...> writes:

> Dear Friends: Why did Romans name their children Quintus, Sextus,
> Septimius, Octavius, Nonnius, and Decimus? Why did they never name
> them by numbers 1, 2, 3, or 4, or 11, 12, or higher? Glad of your
> help.

I'm not sure anybody knows the answer with absolute certainty, but
from what we can tell across the gulf of time it appears that the
oldest son was almost always named after his father, with second,
third, and fourth sons being named for uncles and maternal
grandfathers. It was only when a Roman family got to its fifth son
that they ran out of ancestral names and started using the numbering
system.

Smith's Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities tells us that,
"There existed, according to Varro, about thirty praenomina[...]" Of
those thirty we only know of seventeen today. You can find those
seventeen on our website at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Choosing_a_Roman_name#Praenomen

Hope that helps.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

 A. Tullia Scholastica Maximae Valeriae Messallinae optimae suae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

   

Oh holy cra...yon. LOL
And what do you mean Scholastica can't help me?

    ATS:  Well, he didn’t say that Lentulus, or Dexter, or Barbatus (if we can find him) or Tullius Valerianus or the other ATS, A. Tullius Severus, or L. Livia Plauta (who is in Combined Sermo), couldn’t help...  ;-)  We have many fine Latinists here.  I am correcting the last set of Grammatica I homework papers for this semester, then have to write their midterm...amid administering some Latin corrections in curia.  Eventually I might get to correcting the Grammatica II midterm’s first section, or the first test in Combined Sermó...


Ah, man! I'm gonna be up all night with this. :P

    ATS:  Now, now; this is not all that difficult, though it involves an idiom of sorts and a word in modern Latin (chocolate, which is rendered variously by various Latinists).  I don’t know any piano-playing cats...

    Vale, et valete.  


--- On Wed, 12/2/09, publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

From: publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A little fun...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 3:32 PM

  Vestalis salve!

Mmmmhhhh... a bit off-topic, but let us say that chocolate and smiling are good, too, for us Romans, especially during these cold, short and grey days.

As Sabinus has already pointed it... Chcolate math works!

Nevertheless (dura 'lex' being still 'lex' ;-) ), here is my praetorian (sweet) sanction for this chocolate parenthesis: you must translate in Latin "the cat plays piano and eat chocolate" (Scholastica, do not help our Virgo maxima!).

Waiting...!

Vale bene Messallina,

Albucius pr.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessa llina@... > wrote:
>
> Too bad they did not have chocolate in ancient Rome. I wonder if they had, how they would have prepared it or what delicious concoctions they would have made?
> Thank goodness, in Nova Roma there will always be plenty of chocolate (especially if the men know what's good for them LOL).
> Here is something sent to me by my sister chocolate lovers that I thought to pass along. I like to think we can have a little fun on this list, sometimes.
> Enjoy and don't cheat! LOL
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> ____________ _________ _________
>  
> YOUR AGE BY CHOCOLATE MATH
>
> No, I'm not asking to know your age! LOL
> However, this is pretty neat and it only takes a minute to do. Work this out as you read. No peeking to the end until you've worked it out!
>
>
> 1. Choose from 1 to 10 the number of times a week that you would like to have chocolate ( I know for some of us it is more than 10, but this will not work then. LOL)
>
> 2. Multiply this number by 2 (just to be bold)
>
> 3.. Add 5
>
> 4. Multiply it by 50  (I'll wait while you get the calculator LOL)
>
> 5. If you have already had your birthday this year add 1759...
> If you haven't, add 1758...
>
> 6. Now subtract the four digit year that you were born in.
> You should have a three digit number.
> The first digit of this was your original number, i.e., how many times you would like to have chocolate each week.
> The next two numbers are your age! (Oh, yes it is! LOL)
>
> This is the only year - 2009 - that this will work. :)
>

 
 
   

C. Petronius P. Albucio s.p.d.,

> Nevertheless (dura 'lex' being still 'lex' ;-) ), here is my praetorian (sweet) sanction for this chocolate parenthesis: you must translate in Latin "the cat plays piano and eat chocolate"

Feles clavichordio ludit et socolatam est.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter

C. Petronius C. Vipsanio et omnibus s.p.d.,

> I congratulate all the winnners of the latest election.

Tibi gratias ago et omnibus qui mihi suffragia sua dederunt. Tribunus Plebis quam maxime faciam ut fiduciam merear quam mihi habetis.

I thank you and I thank all who voted for me. As Tribune Plebis I will do my best to earn the trust that you place in me.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter

Salvete omnes,

Since the list is quiet at the moment, I have chosen to risk life, limb and
status (well figuratively) and incur Praetorian wrath with the following
comment.

English cats meow.
Japanese cats neow.
Latin cats, however orate (what else?) and typically say

Feles sum: ergo perfectio sum.

OK ...this was my very first attempt, ever at a Latin sentence that doesn't
involve homework, and if I messed it up, which I probably did, my magistra
can disown me (which she won't).

Caeca, running for cover.

 
 A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
   

Salvete omnes,

Since the list is quiet at the moment, I have chosen to risk life, limb and
status (well figuratively) and incur Praetorian wrath with the following
comment.

English cats meow.
Japanese cats neow.
Latin cats, however orate (what else?) and typically say

Feles sum: ergo perfectio sum.

    ATS:  LOL!  Suntne omnes mares (feles viri)?  

OK ...this was my very first attempt, ever at a Latin sentence that doesn't
involve homework, and if I messed it up, which I probably did, my magistra
can disown me (which she won't).

    ATS:   You did NOT mess it up!  Optimé!  Besides, I don’t disown students, though the less Roman among them do creep away, homework undone...fortitude is required.  You have it, and are doing quite well (especially in P 11).  

Caeca, running for cover.

    ATS:  No need, unless we have some Latin-haters here.  

Vale, et valete.  

 
   

 
 A. Tullia Scholastica C. Petronio Dextro quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
   

C. Petronius P. Albucio s.p.d.,

> Nevertheless (dura 'lex' being still 'lex' ;-)  ), here is my praetorian (sweet) sanction for this chocolate parenthesis: you must translate in Latin "the cat plays piano and eat chocolate"

Feles clavichordio ludit et socolatam est.

    ATS:  Apud Latinistas mihi notas, homines clavichordio canunt, non ludunt...nec feles clavichordio canunt, etsi fortasse ludunt cum clavichordio.  Debemus explicare duo verba est esse, unum quorum significat vivere, alterum cibum in os inserere (ut ita dicam).  Licetne felibus socolatam edere?  Canibus non licet; eos saepius necat.  

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter

Optimé valé(te),

A. Tullia Scholastica

 
   

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Bona Dea salvere vos iubet.

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Decembris; haec dies nefastus aterque est: Bonae Deae

"Why is it that the women, when they adorn in their houses a shrine to the women's Goddess, who they call Bona Dea, bring in no myrtle, although they are very eager to make use of all manner of growing and blooming plants? Was this Goddess, as the mythologists relate, the wife of the seer Faunus; and was She secretly addicted to wine, but did not escape detection and was beaten by Her husband with myrtle rods, and is this the reason why they do not bring in myrtle and, when they make libations of wine to her, call it milk? Or is it because they remain pure from many things, particularly from venery, when they perform this holy service? For they not only exclude their husbands, but they also drive everything male out of the house whenever they conduct the customary ceremonies in honor of the Goddess. So, because the myrtle is sacred to Venus, they religiously exclude it. For she whom they now call Venus Murcia, in ancient days, it seems, they styled Myrtia." ~ Plutarch, Roman Questions 20


In the early part of December a ceremony was performed for the Bona Dea with the Vestales Virgines attending. It was performed on behalf of the Roman people (pro populo Romano), but it was not a ceremony supported by public funds (publico sumptu). Normally this ritual had to be performed in the house of a consul or a praetor, that is, in the home of a magistrate with imperium. (Cicero de Harusp. Resp. 17.37: fit per Virgines Vestales, fit pro populo Romano, in ea domo quae est in imperio.)

On the Aventine, the priestess who oversaw the Temple of the Bona Dea was called the Damiatrix (Festus p. 68M). The pig that was sacrificed to the Bona Dea at Her temple was called the damium (Paulus 68). Men were banned from entering Her temple (aedes), but not from Her temple precinct. The exception to the rule, according to Ovid, was those men whom the Goddess chose Herself (Ovid, Ars Amortoria 3.637-638). Both men and women called upon the Bona Dea for Her healing powers (CIL 6.54 et cetera). She was in fact connected to other healing Goddesses - Ops, Fauna, Fatua among the Sabines, Angitia among the Marruccini, and Damia at Terrentum (Macrobius Saturnalia 1.12.16; Paulus 68). However, Lactantus stated that the true name of the Bona Dea was unknown (1.22), and Servius Honoratus in commenting on the Aeneid agreed (8.314).

Her Aventine temple, beneath the sacred Rock, Subsaxana, was dedicated sometime before 123 BCE when Vestal Virgin Licinia then added an aedicule, pluvinar, and an altar. In 114 BCE, however, the Senate declared her dedication invalid, she was convicted of incestum, and executed (Cicero, de Domo 136). It was not until Livia rededicated the temple, some time after 27 BCE, that Her cultus could be said to have entered into the State religion (Ovid, Fasti 5.147). This may explain why the Vestales were present, and why the ceremony was pro populi yet not supported, officially by the sate.

Men were not to use their drinking vessels at Her rites and were specifically excluded from Her December ceremony (GRF Aelius Gallus fr. 18; GRF Trebatius fr. 4; Cicero, De Leginus 2.57; Festus p. 278b, 15; Macrobius, Saturnalia 1.12.25; Servius, Ad Aeneis 2.365, 2.686, 11.158.) A myth told of once when Hercules had come to the sacred grove of the Bona Dea asking for a drink of water, but even He had to be turned away by Her priestess.

Wine was banned from Her temple precinct and it was not allowed to be brought under its own name to Her December rite. Instead it had to be brought in a mellarium, or honey jar, and referred to only as milk (Macrobius 1.c; Plutarch, Quaest. Rom. 20). Boughs of myrtle were banned from Her rites. Both of these aspects to Her rite were explained by a myth. Identifying the Bona Dea as Fauna, the story goes that one time Faunus became intoxicated and attempted to induce His daughter Fauna into an incestuous affair by forcing Her to drink wine. But Fauna resisted and before She could escape, Faunus beat Her with myrtle. There would seem, though, to be more to this, for like the wine brought in as "honey," part of the ritual for the Bona Dea involved the whipping of a girl with a bough taken from the tree of Venus, the myrtle. And this would seem to relate to a rite performed for a new bride in the Esquiline locus of Mefitis, and also with the Lupercalia, where Faunus was in some accounts identified as the deity of that festival, and the Lupercali instilled fertility into women that they whipped along their run with straps cut from the sacrificial animal.

By the time of Juvenal then, the rites of the Bona Dea were described as a women's night out, with drinking, dancing, and what have you. We cannot know exactly how far Juvenal was taking his satire, but it is clear that the rites of the Bona Dea related to fertility in women.

"Notorious, too, are the ritual mysteries of the Good Goddess, when flute music stirs the loins, and frenzied women, devotees of Priapus,
sweep along in procession, howling, tossing their hair, wine-flown, horn-crazy, burning with the desire to get themselves laid. Hark! At the way they whinney in mounting lust, see the copious flow, the pure and vintage wine of passion, that splashes upon their thighs." ~ Juvenal, Satires 6.311-318


AUC 1064 / 311 CE: Death of Emperor Diocletianus


Our thought for today is from Epictetus, Enchiridion 40:

"Women from fourteen years old are flattered by men with the title of mistresses. Therefore, perceiving that they are regarded only as qualified to give men pleasure, they begin to adorn themselves, and in that to place all their hopes. It is worthwhile, therefore, to try that they may perceive themselves honored only so far as they appear beautiful in their demeanor, and modestly virtuous."

"I, Helena Galeria Aureliana as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness the appointments of T. Iulius Sabinus as censor, P. Memmius Albucius as consul maior, K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus as consul minor, E. Iunia Laeca as praetrix maior, M. Hortensia Maior as praetrix minor, T. Flavius Aquila as aedilis curulis maior and P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus as aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma."

"As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their
offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana."
 
Ego, Helena Galeria Aureliana, lictrix curiata Novae Romae testificor T. Iulium Sabinum censorem, P. Memmium Albucium consulem maiorem, K. Fabium Buteonem Quintilianum consulem minorem, E. Iuniam Laecam praetorem maiorem, M. Hortensiam Maiorem praetorem minorem, et T. Flavium Aquilam aedilem curulem mairoem et P. Annaeum Constantinum Placidum aedilem curulem minorem Novae Romae creari.

Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime officiis muneribusque suis fungantur.

Steve s.d.

Very sound question, indeed. ;-)

In complement to what my colleague pr. Marinus has brought, the list may be set at 18, including Kaeso or Mamercus, and letting aside Vibius.

The old number of thirty praenomina may be understood as a religious symbolic - maybe mythic - reference to the 3 x 10 number, that was also the number of the first tribes of Rome (3), and of its curiae (10).

There is also an complementary reason for the group 1st to 4th sons: the fact that the family asked the devines which would be, inside the 30 praenomines, the best ones in terms of luck [note that still today in some countries or civilizations, this habit is still used].

So when you would have, for ex. and a result of this "omen", named your 1st Marcus, your 2nd Kaeso, your 3rd Gnaeus and your 4th Publius [at this time let us remind that big families were not so frequent for public health was not as it is in some of our countries!], you could end your prolific serie with Quintus, Sextus, etc..

Let also note that Romans tended not to call a child Nonus or Nonnius (linked to 9), because the word could be understood "non-(ni)us", and the "non" (= not) was reputed as a sign of bad luck.

It is also interesting to note that the *praenomen* Octavus has not resisted at the republican time. Maybe we may try an *hypothesis*: it would, as referring to the symbolism of the cosmic whole that many civilizations see in the 8 ; and, as such, it would have been a non-auspicious name, for being too much 'pretentious'.

Similarly, just as another *hypothesis*, we could wonder if all the numbers over 10 were not considered as "not perfect" and so unauspicious, just because they were composed with 10 (decimus): un-decimus; duo-decimus, and worst after: tertius decimus -it would have given 2 praenomina - etc.).

Vale,


P. Memmius Albucius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Steve,
>
> Welcome to Nova Roma. Thanks for dropping by.
>
> Steve_geo1 <steve_geo1@...> writes:
>
> > Dear Friends: Why did Romans name their children Quintus, Sextus,
> > Septimius, Octavius, Nonnius, and Decimus? Why did they never name
> > them by numbers 1, 2, 3, or 4, or 11, 12, or higher? Glad of your
> > help.
>
> I'm not sure anybody knows the answer with absolute certainty, but
> from what we can tell across the gulf of time it appears that the
> oldest son was almost always named after his father, with second,
> third, and fourth sons being named for uncles and maternal
> grandfathers. It was only when a Roman family got to its fifth son
> that they ran out of ancestral names and started using the numbering
> system.
>
> Smith's Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities tells us that,
> "There existed, according to Varro, about thirty praenomina[...]" Of
> those thirty we only know of seventeen today. You can find those
> seventeen on our website at
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Choosing_a_Roman_name#Praenomen
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

Scholasticae Dextro Messallinae omn.que s.d.

>homines clavichordio canunt, non ludunt.

Sic: canare organo, tibiae, etc.; Dexter?

>Debemus explicare duo verba est esse, unum quorum significat vivere, >alterum cibum in os inserere

Utinam ne de clavicumbalo loquearis, aut os tuum magnissimum sit! ;-)

>Licetne felibus socolatam edere?

Saepe feliciter - praeter filicones ;-) -, felibus lacte fit, non socolata.

>Canibus non licet; eos saepius necat.

In fact they play flute, as I stated it in south eastern Italy: Canens canis canae canit cannam Cannis. ;-)

Vale amica amicisque,


Albucius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:

(..) C. Petronio s.p.d.,

>> Feles clavichordio ludit et socolatam est.

> ATS: Apud Latinistas mihi notas, homines clavichordio canunt, non ludunt...nec feles clavichordio canunt, etsi fortasse ludunt cum clavichordio.Debemus explicare duo verba est esse, unum quorum significat vivere, alterum cibum in os inserere (ut ita dicam). Licetne felibus socolatam edere? Canibus non licet; eos saepius necat.

I, L. Livia Plauta ,as a Lictrix of Nova Roma, hereby witness the
appointments of T. Iulius Sabinus as censor, P. Memmius Albucius as consul
maior, K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus as consul minor, E. Iunia Laeca as
praetrix maior, M. Hortensia Maior as praetrix minor, T. Flavius Aquila as
aedilis curulis maior and P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus as aedilis
curulis minor of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their
offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

___________

Ego, L. Livia Plauta , lictrix curiata Novae Romae testificor T. Iulium
Sabinum censorem, P. Memmium Albucium consulem maiorem, K. Fabium Buteonem
Quintilianum consulem minorem, E. Iuniam Laecam praetricem maiorem, M.
Hortensiam Maiorem praetricem minorem, et T. Flavium Aquilam aedilem curulem
maiorem et P. Annaeum Constantinum Placidum aedilem curulem minorem Novae
Romae creari.

Lictrix Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime
officiis muneribusque suis fungantur.

Albucio s.d.,

> Sic: canare organo, tibiae, etc.; Dexter?

Canere not canare. But feles cats do not sing, so I preferred to use the verb ludere with ablative.

> Utinam ne de clavicumbalo loquearis, aut os tuum magnissimum sit! ;-)

Clavichordium = piano. In Assimil.

Optime vale.
C. Petronius Dexter

Dextro s.d.

Yes, like 'legere', ok!

>But feles cats do not sing, so I preferred to use the verb ludere >with ablative.

But see the Gaffiot, 3rd use of the verb.

>> Utinam ne de clavicumbalo loquearis, aut os tuum magnissimum sit! ;-)
>Clavichordium = piano. In Assimil.

Yes, I know :-), but I've prefer showing one other example of the various words evoked by Scholastica. 'Clavicymbalum' is the Vatican creation. But I must say I prefer 'clavichordium', much illustrating.

Vale bene,


Albucius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Albucio s.d.,
>
> > Sic: canare organo, tibiae, etc.; Dexter?
>
> Canere not canare. But feles cats do not sing, so I preferred to use the verb ludere with ablative.
>
> > Utinam ne de clavicumbalo loquearis, aut os tuum magnissimum sit! ;-)
>
> Clavichordium = piano. In Assimil.
>
> Optime vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

I, Quintus Servilius Priscus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness
the appointments of T. Iulius Sabinus as censor, P. Memmius Albucius
as consul maior, K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus as consul minor, E.
Iunia Laeca as praetrix maior, M. Hortensia Maior as praetrix minor,
T. Flavius Aquila as aedilis curulis maior and P. Annaeus Constantinus
Placidus as aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma."

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their
offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

--------

Ego, Quintus Servilius Priscus, lictor curiatus Novae Romae testificor
T. Iulium Sabinum censorem, P. Memmium Albucium consulem maiorem, K.
Fabium Buteonem Quintilianum consulem minorem, E. Iuniam Laecam
praetricem maiorem, M. Hortensiam Maiorem praetricem minorem, et T.
Flavium Aquilam aedilem curulem maiorem et P. Annaeum Constantinum
Placidum aedilem curulem minorem Novae Romae creari.


Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana
felicissime officiis muneribusque suis fungantur.

Salve Gualtere

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salve,
>
> Actually, I didn't cite Taylor. I cited Rosenstein. As regards the ritual space of sortition, yes, indeed, it was a templum, but all public religious activity was in a templum, so simply because something takes place in a templum doesn't automatically make it augury.

MMPH: First, I have not used the term augury or augurium. Sortition is a form of auspicium, and there is a difference between augurium and auspicium. Auguria may be taken only by certain people, in specified places, to address certain, specified questions related to the entire City. Auspicia refers to any type of consultation with the Gods. A sortitio is a form of auspicium.

One particular example of a sortition as a form of auspicium is when Fortuna Primigenia was consulted at Praeneste. In one case, when Lutatius Cerco sought to consult the lots at Praeneste, he was forbidden to do so by the Senate; "for they judged that public business should be conducted under national auspices and not foreign ones." (Val Max. 1.3.2: auspiciis enim patriis, non alienigenis rem publicam administrari iudicabant oportere.)

Further, in addition to Plautus in 'Casina' and Verrius Flaccus in 'Argonautica' or with Valerius Maximus above, there is Festus' own comment, "Sors also means the response of a deity, and what falls to each person by allotment." 'Sors . . . et deis responsum, et quod cuique accident in sortiento.'

>But, when actions do take place in a templum they are potentially subject to augural supervision. So Linderski states (2193 n. 173): "It was the augurs who inaugurated the templa, and consequently it was their prerogative to decide the question of the ritual validity of all public acts which took place in a templum." Rosenstein follows Linderski ("Sorting out the lot", 58): "Casting the lots in a templum (and possibly auspicato) merely placed them on the same footing vis-a-vis the gods as public meetings, sessions of the Senate and voting assemblies."
>

MMPH: Merely? Isn't that the whole point? The Gods are present and give response through the sortition, sors deis responsum. Auspices were taken in erecting the templum, and as Rosenstein says here, auspices were possibly taken before and as part of setting up the sitella, but he fails to see that the sortition is itself a form of auspicium.

> The above addresses the situation in Livy 41.18.7-8 where a "vitii factum" was found because, apparently, Valerius wasn't inside the templum when the sortition took place. I say apparently because 41.18.8 is actually textually corrupt and the exact meaning is unclear. Nevertheless, what would have been the consequence if, let us say, the Senate decided to meet outside of a templum (Gellius 14.7.8: nisi in loco per augures constituto, quod templum appellaretur, senatus consultum factum esset, iustum id non fuisse)? It, too, would have been a vitii factum. This doesn't mean that a Senate meeting or its legislative actions are acts of augury.
>

MMPH: If you think that then you miss the whole point of holding comitia inside a templum, conducting proper ritual, including the sortition to determine the order of voting, and so forth, because Romans did consider the result of a comitia vote to be sanctum since it was indeed regarded as an expression of the will of the Gods. As C. Aelius Gallus put it, "If what specifically makes temples sacrum is present, then the same can be said of laws and institutions put forward by the ancestors as sanctum, in order that they cannot be violated without punishment (GRF Aelius 18)."

> Likewise, if a signum ex diriis had been observed during a Senate session then everything would stop, but it doesn't mean the Senate session itself is an act of augury. Such oblative signs can occur in any context where augurs are present for observatio, which explains Livy 9.38.15, where the curia Faucia was drawn and declared a "triste omen". Faucia had become just such a signum not because of anything dealing with sortition, but because it was associated with two disasters, as Livy explains. This also sheds light on what is meant by the praerogativa being an "omen iustorum comitiorum" in Cicero De Div. 1.103: the drawing of the praerogativa was a particular moment at which augurs were on the look out for auspicia oblativa
>

MMPH: On the contrary, "First the allotment was a solicited sign, auspicia impetrativa, subject to augural strictures in its ritual (Stewart p. 42)." There are five classes of signs recognized by the augures, of which one is auspicia oblativa ex diris. The selection of curia Fauca was an auspicium impetrativa as it came in response to a sacrifice and was solicited - in effect the question was which curia should vote first. That it was curia Fauca, and through past experience it was maybe judged auspicia oblativa as well does not detract from the fact that an auspicium was solicited in the first place through a sortition.

> (Rosentein, "Sorting out the lot", 61, overtly argues that divine connexions with the result of the praerogative were mostly in the realm of popular superstitio).
>

MMPH: And here Rosenstein reveals his own prejudices and nothing on what ancient Romans thought. To impart modern skepticism against all religion on ancient cultores, as though they practiced superstition rather than religion, is intellectual masturbation. How self gratifying to say those old Romans were superstitious, and that he, Rosenstein, knew better what Romans thought than they did themselves. This is an argument from attitudes, modern attitudes that are suspicious of all religion. It is an insult not only to my own religion, the beliefs and practices of all cultores Romani, but also an insult to the faith and beliefs of our Christian citizens, and Jewish citizens, our one Hindu (I believe) and a few Muslims who also visit our lists. Our discussion is on what ancient Romans practiced out of belief. Insulting their beliefs or ours does not change facts that sortition, as employed in comitia, was regarded and is regarded as a form of auspicium.

> Unfortunately, I don't have Taylor (was checked out at the library) but Linderski thinks she was on the wrong track (2194 n. 173) and Rosenstein's paper begins with a head-on attack on Taylor's interpretation, pointing out that Taylor never collated all of the evidence for sortition and its relationship with the pax deorum. Now, Stewart (_Public Office_ (1998) 38-51) does want to argue that sortition was a type of auspices, but for the above reasons I disagree.
>

MMPH: LOL So you disagree with Stewart and I agree with her. Rosenstein wrote in 1995. Stewart's "Public Office in early Rome; Ritual Procedure and Political Practice" was published in 1997 as a "head-on attack" to Rosensteins' misperception. And apparently my view of their relative positions is shared by others. You can read the entire the Bryn Mawr Review of Stewart's book at http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/1999/1999-11-23.html

"S.'s work thus asserts e silentio that the prosopographical method is too narrow and too shallow. That approach tended to treat religion as insignificant in the historical course of events, and it has resulted in negative and often cynical attitudes on this subject. For example, Rosenstein holds that we look in vain for religiosity in Roman public sortition. S.'s method, directly in Taylor's tradition, is to clarify key events by the light of ritual, procedure, and terminology. It could be described in A.D. Momigliano's terms as a reintegration of antiquarianism qua sociology into the proper study of ancient history."

As the reviewer says, and I agree, "(Stewart) vigorously explodes
Rosenstein's argument."

Such ideas as expressed by Rosenstein contribute little to the study of Roma antiqua because it takes such a cynical view of Roman attitudes towards religion. It does not consider how Romans actually perceived such things themselves. It dismisses such comments as Valerius Maximus made that "Among our ancestors, no affair was undertaken, either in public or private, before taking the auspices (2.1.1)." At times they dismiss religious expression as insincere, or simply ignore that the Romans had any religious beliefs. I recall one woman telling me once how she couldn't imagine Julius Caesar, being such a pragmatic military commander, would perform religious rites, ignoring such facts as his being the pontifex maximus, that he would stop in mid-campaign to perform lustrationes of his army, that before entering a carriage he always went through a private ritual to call upon the Gods for protection while he travelled. It is just a blindness to think this way.

> In short, augural jurisdiction doesn't make everything "augury". Indeed, it would be peculiar if the results of sortition were actually considered auspices themselves, since how would you account for examples where the results were ignored? Take, for instance, the story in Livy 26.29 where Marcellus and Laevinus swap provinces after they had been assigned by lot. Are the augurs called in? No. Does Livy consider it contra auspicium? No.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>

The term that Livy uses is comparatio for this swap of provinces, a term that Stewart covers. As with the selection of curia Faucia, the Siciliones obviously saw provincia Sicilia falling to Marcellus as a dire omen, which Livy covers. Livy also makes clear that the senate would not pass a senatus consultus to order a change of which provincia the consuls should take. They would not contravene the sortition consulting the Gods. An arrangement by comparatio had been used before this time, and resorted to here as a means to get around the sortition without contravening it. The exception does not prove your point by rather confirms the senate's view of the sortes as divinely given.

The Tenitae were so named, according to Festus, because what they provided was binding. That is, these minor goddesses, thought to be within the lots, provided the numina through which the higher Gods lent Their opinion by acting on the lots. How do you reconcile the presence of the Tenitae in lots if they are merely lottery balls, or why Jupiter Arcus protected the container in which they were stored, if the lots and the act of drawing them had no religious significance? And if you accept that sortition did hold some religious significance, then what else was it but a form of auspicium when the Gods were called upon to oversee which lot fell to who?

Vale
Piscinus

Albucio s.d.,

> But see the Gaffiot, 3rd use of the verb.

Gaffiot fait un raccourci. Canere au sens de "jouer" d'un instrument signifie en fait chanter en s'accompagnant d'un instrument, voire faire sonner l'instrument cf Ernout et Thomas p93. Canere fidibus, tibiis = jouer (m à m faire un chant au moyen de) de la lyre, de la flûte; par suite docere et scire fidibus "enseigner à jouer, savoir jouer de la lyre". Fidibus suffit, il n'y a plus canere...

D'un autre côté Ludere tesseris = jouer au (moyen des) dés, jouer au dés. Cf, Gaffiot aussi. C'est ce sens qui me semble aller au chat qu'on voit sur la vidéo. Il ne joue pas du piano comme un pianiste "joue", il joue avec le clavier du piano. Ici, à mon sens, ludere convient mieux que canere.

Mus et felis mirandi.

Domitor quidam munus in Circo postulat et rectori dicit :
— Audi ! Felem et murem habeo mirandos. Mus clavichordio nonam symphoniam Beethoveni canit fele chorica...
Vult rector statim videre et, spectaculo viso, stupefactus domitori inquit :
— Mirandum ! Munus habes ! Quadringentos nummos cottidie do, consentisne ?
— Ah, inquit domitor, palpebris micantibus, nimium esse cogito. Nam dicendum est... est machina ! Revera nullam rem felis facit... mus enim omnia facit... ventriloquus est.

Un dompteur cherche un emploi dans un Cirque, il dit au directeur:
- Ecoute! J'ai un chat et une souris admirables. La souris joue la neuvième de Beethoven au piano et le chat fait les choeurs...
Le directeur veut voir ça tout de suite et, après le spectacle, abasourdi il dit au dompteur:
- Incroyable! Tu as le boulot! 400 euros par jour, ok ?
- C'est trop, dit le dompteur, en battant des cils. Il faut dire... heu... il y a un truc. En fait, le chat ne fait rien... c'est la souris qui fait tout... elle est ventriloque.

Optime vale.
C. Petronius Dexter











Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter

 A. Tullia Scholastica P. Memmio Albucio C. Petronio Dextro Maximae Valeriae Messallinae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 
   

Scholasticae Dextro Messallinae omn.que s.d.

>homines clavichordio canunt, non ludunt.

Sic: canare organo, tibiae, etc.; Dexter?

    ATS2:  Canere, cum ablativo.  Canere clavichordio, canere calamo, canere fidiculis...

>Debemus explicare duo verba est esse, unum quorum significat vivere, >alterum cibum in os inserere

Utinam ne de clavicumbalo loquearis, aut os tuum magnissimum sit! ;-)

    ATS2:  Non de clavichordio/cymbalo loquor, sed de ore humano.  Meum quidem nec maximum nec magnum est, et vox tenuissima mollissimaque.   

>Licetne felibus socolatam edere?

Saepe feliciter - praeter filicones ;-) -, felibus lacte fit, non socolata.

    ATS2:  Lexicon sanctum Oxoniense verbum filicones non bene explicat; explicatne illud Gaffiot?  Lac felibus magnopere placet; de socolatá, nescio.  

>Canibus non licet; eos saepius necat.

In fact they play flute, as I stated it in south eastern Italy: Canens canis canae canit cannam Cannis. ;-)

    ATS2:  Sed socolata canes saepius necat...  Nec cannabim fumant.  Canae non invenio...

Vale amica amicisque,

Albucius


Vale, et valete.  



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:

(..) C. Petronio s.p.d.,

>> Feles clavichordio ludit et socolatam est.

>      ATS:  Apud Latinistas mihi notas, homines clavichordio canunt, non ludunt...nec feles clavichordio canunt, etsi fortasse ludunt cum clavichordio.Debemus explicare duo verba est esse, unum quorum significat vivere, alterum cibum in os inserere (ut ita dicam).  Licetne felibus socolatam edere? Canibus non licet; eos saepius necat.

 
   

 A. Tullia Scholastica Maximae Valeriae Messallinae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

   

<<--- On Wed, 12/2/09, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:
Well, he didn’t say that Lentulus, or Dexter, or Barbatus (if we can find him) or Tullius Valerianus or the other ATS, A. Tullius Severus, or L. Livia Plauta (who is in Combined Sermo), couldn’t help...  ;-)  We have many fine Latinists here. >>
 
Right! So there are!

    ATS2: Indeed there are, though some appear to have vanished.  

 
Ok, Albucius, I got it, I got it!
Feles clavichordio ludit et socolatam est!

    ATS2:   Almost.  The correct verb for playing a musical instrument is canere, which otherwise = sing.  Thus we have clavichordio canit.  Est means he, she, or it is (from sum, esse, fuí), or she, or it eats (from edó, esse, édí, ésum).  The German verb essen, to eat (from which we get delicatessen), is suspiciously similar to the latter.


*smiles and waves at Dexter* Thank you! I owe you one! ('Cause what I had wasn't pretty. LOL)

    ATS2:  LOL!

 
<< ATS:  I don’t know any piano-playing cats...>>

Well, I only of know Nora, but hey, Numa can open the mail, Tullia can open up books and Felix is the master of finding hiding places no one ever knew existed before! LOL ;P

ATS2:  Now, I once knew a dog which could (and did) manipulate the gearshift of a car (and prevented a crisis by putting it in park or whatever)...but a cat?  Now, you get to explain the mysterious word micine, which looks a bit like a Spanish or Italian plural of a feminine noun...

    Any Tullius or Tullia should be good with books...and Felix DOES mean lucky.  

Maxima Valeria Messallina

Vale, et valete,

    A. Tullia Scholastica

 
 
   

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appointments of T. Iulius Sabinus as censor, P. Memmius Albucius as consul
maior, K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus as consul minor, E. Iunia Laeca as
praetrix maior, M. Hortensia Maior as praetrix minor, T. Flavius Aquila as
aedilis curulis maior and P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus as aedilis
curulis minor of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their
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___________

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Quintilianum consulem minorem, E. Iuniam Laecam praetricem maiorem, M.
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maiorem et P. Annaeum Constantinum Placidum aedilem curulem minorem Novae
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Lictrix Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> I, L. Livia Plauta ,as a Lictrix of Nova Roma, hereby witness the
> appointments of T. Iulius Sabinus as censor, P. Memmius Albucius as consul
> maior, K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus as consul minor, E. Iunia Laeca as
> praetrix maior, M. Hortensia Maior as praetrix minor, T. Flavius Aquila as
> aedilis curulis maior and P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus as aedilis
> curulis minor of Nova Roma.
>
> As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their
> offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.
>
> ___________
>
> Ego, L. Livia Plauta , lictrix curiata Novae Romae testificor T. Iulium
> Sabinum censorem, P. Memmium Albucium consulem maiorem, K. Fabium Buteonem
> Quintilianum consulem minorem, E. Iuniam Laecam praetricem maiorem, M.
> Hortensiam Maiorem praetricem minorem, et T. Flavium Aquilam aedilem curulem
> maiorem et P. Annaeum Constantinum Placidum aedilem curulem minorem Novae
> Romae creari.
>
> Lictrix Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime
> officiis muneribusque suis fungantur.
>

Dexter Scholasticae s.p.d.,

> > ATS2: Almost. The correct verb for playing a musical instrument is canere, which otherwise = sing.

Canere with a name of instrument at ablative is playing a song, or singing, with a musical instrument. Ludere with ablative is to play with something, ludere tesseris = play with dices, ludere armis = to play with weapons, ludere clavichordio is playing with a piano as the cat does on the video... I wonder if "canere" could be the correct verb to a cat. Perhaps felire is better than canere to significate the song of a cat, but "feles clavichordio felit" would be absolutely new, a true neologism to say: the cat plays piano.


Optime vale.
C. Petronius Dexter

Hunc murem ingeniosum amabo;-)

Maior

> Mus et felis mirandi.
>
> Domitor quidam munus in Circo postulat et rectori dicit :
> — Audi ! Felem et murem habeo mirandos. Mus clavichordio nonam symphoniam Beethoveni canit fele chorica...
> Vult rector statim videre et, spectaculo viso, stupefactus domitori inquit :
> — Mirandum ! Munus habes ! Quadringentos nummos cottidie do, consentisne ?
> — Ah, inquit domitor, palpebris micantibus, nimium esse cogito. Nam dicendum est... est machina ! Revera nullam rem felis facit... mus enim omnia facit... ventriloquus est.
>
> Un dompteur cherche un emploi dans un Cirque, il dit au directeur:
> - Ecoute! J'ai un chat et une souris admirables. La souris joue la neuvième de Beethoven au piano et le chat fait les choeurs...
> Le directeur veut voir ça tout de suite et, après le spectacle, abasourdi il dit au dompteur:
> - Incroyable! Tu as le boulot! 400 euros par jour, ok ?
> - C'est trop, dit le dompteur, en battant des cils. Il faut dire... heu... il y a un truc. En fait, le chat ne fait rien... c'est la souris qui fait tout... elle est ventriloque.
>
> Optime vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

Cato Piscino sal.

You wrote:

"And here Rosenstein reveals his own prejudices and nothing on what ancient Romans thought. To impart modern skepticism against all religion on ancient cultores, as though they practiced superstition rather than religion, is intellectual masturbation. How self gratifying to say those old Romans were superstitious, and that he, Rosenstein, knew better what Romans thought than they did themselves."

But again, here's an actual ancient Roman speaking:

"And pray what is the need, do you think, to talk about the casting of lots? It is much like playing at morra, dice, or knuckle-bones, in which recklessness and luck prevail rather than reflection and judgement. The whole scheme of divination by lots was fraudulently contrived from mercenary motives, or as a means of encouraging superstition and error." - Cicero, "On Divination" II.41.85

Vale,

cato

I, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness
the appointments of T. Iulius Sabinus as censor, P. Memmius Albucius
as consul maior, K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus as consul minor, E.
Iunia Laeca as praetrix maior, M. Hortensia Maior as praetrix minor,
T. Flavius Aquila as aedilis curulis maior and P.Annaeus Constantinus
Placidus as aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their
offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Ego, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus , lictor curiatus Novae Romae testificor
T. Iulium Sabinum censorem, P. Memmium Albucium consulem maiorem, K.
Fabium Buteonem Quintilianum consulem minorem, E. Iuniam Laecam
praetricem maiorem, M. Hortensiam Maiorem praetricem minorem, et T.
Flavium Aquilam aedilem curulem maiorem et P. Annaeum Constantinum
Placidum aedilem curulem minorem Novae Romae creari.

Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime
officiis muneribusque suis fungantur.

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

I, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness
the appointments of T. Iulius Sabinus as censor, P. Memmius Albucius
as consul maior, K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus as consul minor, E.
Iunia Laeca as praetrix maior, M. Hortensia Maior as praetrix minor,
T. Flavius Aquila as aedilis curulis maior and P. Annaeus Constantinus
Placidus as aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma."

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their
offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

--------

Ego, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa, lictor curiatus Novae Romae testificor
T. Iulium Sabinum censorem, P. Memmium Albucium consulem maiorem, K.
Fabium Buteonem Quintilianum consulem minorem, E. Iuniam Laecam
praetricem maiorem, M. Hortensiam Maiorem praetricem minorem, et T.
Flavium Aquilam aedilem curulem maiorem et P. Annaeum Constantinum
Placidum aedilem curulem minorem Novae Romae creari.

Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana
felicissime officiis muneribusque suis fungantur.