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Saturninus and I are getting more volunteers and looking for new ones to be: broadcasters, writers, production assistants for our podcast.

It's fun, wonderful, real, spreading Romanitas, and the cultus deorum everywhere. So please write to me if you are interested.

http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/
bene valete in pacem Saturni
M. Hortensia Maior
Producer; Vox Romana Podcast

Salve brother Titus

Perhaps we can go back and piece this thing together and make the report ourselves as me being the reporting Tribune.What do you think?

Vale bene
For the Gods!
Appius

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Salve,

I agree with most of what you say, but I think it is precisely because people prefer to dislike him personally instead of logically engaging him that he will end up being censored. We've already see attempts to do exactly this during this year and I suspect efforts will be redoubled next year.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "T. Annaeus Regulus" <t.annaevsregvlvs@...> wrote:
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> Salve,
>
> While I will wait until Maior has begun her magistracy before passing any judgments I certainly don't think the abuse of executive powers for the sake of 'good' causes is desirable. I find it hard to fathom your reasoning. What exactly attracted you to a recreationist organization of Republican Rome if you are a fan of censorship and autocracy? Debate and conflict are a part of any democratic structure and I for one think that Cato is generally one of the more topic-focused regular posters. He, rightly or wrongly, points out things that he disagrees with, and catalyzes the opinion of others. Even if he serves only as a lightning rod for those who oppose him to make a conscious decision on the 'correct' solution, he provides a valuable service to Nova Roma.
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> In my opinion Cato is often detail-oriented (read: nitpicky) and sensitive to the intentional jabs that are made at him (see your own posts in this thread for example). I wouldn't call myself a supporter of Cato, but do I think there's a constructive purpose to censoring him? Certainly not. Cato ran in an election and lost; clearly the majority of voters did not agree with him. That's democracy. It works. I think that is enough. He is still entitled to his opinions, and to share those opinions.
>
> What I personally would like to see is people actually engaging in a logical debate (which I think Cato is attempting to do) without resorting to personal slurs or other logic-impeding devices. Perhaps it is laziness or a lack of time that causes people to attack Cato's person rather than his ideas, as he is a prolific poster, but I believe that it is behavior such as that that is actually creating the atmosphere of animosity that exists in Nova Roma. If I disagree with you, and you disagree with me, and we both disagree with Cato, while accepting that each of us is dedicated to improving Nova Roma as it exists to us, then we would be a much stronger organization. Having a variety of viewpoints is a strength. Bland homogenous thinking adds nothing.
>
> Your posts in this thread do nothing to foster that sort of camaraderie. It is divisive, demeaning to Cato, and pointless. How do you justify your own behavior as you criticize Cato for his? I think we should be careful not to take sides based on personalities instead of issues. Whatever else I think about Cato, I think he is dedicated to Nova Roma and her wellbeing. For that reason alone he is entitled to a certain level of respect in my mind.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Optime Vale,
> T. Annaeus Regulus
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> From: John Citron
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:05 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pridie Eidus Decembres: CONSUALIA
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> Salve Cato,
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> What's the point of having power if it's not going to be put to "good" use?
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> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 10:16:17 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pridie Eidus Decembres: CONSUALIA
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> So rather than consider the bulk of my speech, you hone in on the most lamentable part of all - that a praetor would use their "power" to stifle the speech of a citizen based on personality - and celebrate it?
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> Vale,
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> Cato
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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, John Citron <johnnormancitron@ ...> wrote:
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> > Di Lauda!
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> > I can hardly wait for the new year to begin.
> >
> > Annus Paxis!
>

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Salve Maior amica,

I would volunteer for an English speaking part but my accent is a bit southern at times:)- I also may be a bit dramatic..
Let me know if you need some help reading, writing but not arithmetic:)

Optime vale in pace Saturni,
Julia

P.S. I know I have not been around much, most time I have to spare is for sleeping:) but I am checking in and I just got my headset and trying to figure out how to hook us all up on the 19th!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
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> M. Hortensia quiritibus spd;
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> Saturninus and I are getting more volunteers and looking for new ones to be: broadcasters, writers, production assistants for our podcast.
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> It's fun, wonderful, real, spreading Romanitas, and the cultus deorum everywhere. So please write to me if you are interested.
>
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/
> bene valete in pacem Saturni
> M. Hortensia Maior
> Producer; Vox Romana Podcast
>

I think it was pretty clear that what Regulus was supporting was the act of voicing diverse opinions and being free to argue about them and not endorsing Cato's specific opinions. I would go one step further and suspect that Regulus would agree that an organization that is completely silent is either moving in the wrong direction or is dead.

-GG

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, John Citron <johnnormancitron@...> wrote:
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> Salve Regulus,
>
> Why do you "say" you wouldn't call yourself a Cato supporter when your entire post was nothing mare a raving endorsement of him? 
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> Quite frankly, I stand by my comments.  Why, because whenever there is a major prattle going on in the ML, one can find Cato at the source.  I've seen it time and time again; ad nauseum.  Quam se ipse amans sine rivali!
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> Those continuing disturbances are not in the least constructive and are far more divisive than any import my commentaries may have had.
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> Vale,
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> M. Iulius Scaeva
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> From: T. Annaeus Regulus <t.annaevsregvlvs@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 4:43:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pridie Eidus Decembres: CONSUALIA
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> Salve,
>  
> While I will wait until Maior has begun her magistracy before passing any judgments I certainly don't think the abuse of executive powers for the sake of 'good' causes is desirable. I find it hard to fathom your reasoning. What exactly attracted you to a recreationist organization of Republican Rome if you are a fan of censorship and autocracy? Debate and conflict are a part of any democratic structure and I for one think that Cato is generally one of the more topic-focused regular posters. He, rightly or wrongly, points out things that he disagrees with, and catalyzes the opinion of others. Even if he serves only as a lightning rod for those who oppose him to make a conscious decision on the 'correct' solution, he provides a valuable service to Nova Roma.
>  
> In my opinion Cato is often detail-oriented (read: nitpicky) and sensitive to the intentional jabs that are made at him (see your own posts in this thread for example). I wouldn't call myself a supporter of Cato, but do I think there's a constructive purpose to censoring him? Certainly not. Cato ran in an election and lost; clearly the majority of voters did not agree with him. That's democracy. It works. I think that is enough. He is still entitled to his opinions, and to share those opinions.
>  
> What I personally would like to see is people actually engaging in a logical debate (which I think Cato is attempting to do) without resorting to personal slurs or other logic-impeding devices. Perhaps it is laziness or a lack of time that causes people to attack Cato's person rather than his ideas, as he is a prolific poster, but I believe that it is behavior such as that that is actually creating the atmosphere of animosity that exists in Nova Roma. If I disagree with you, and you disagree with me, and we both disagree with Cato, while accepting that each of us is dedicated to improving Nova Roma as it exists to us, then we would be a much stronger organization. Having a variety of viewpoints is a strength. Bland homogenous thinking adds nothing.
>  
> Your posts in this thread do nothing to foster that sort of camaraderie. It is divisive, demeaning to Cato, and pointless. How do you justify your own behavior as you criticize Cato for his? I think we should be careful not to take sides based on personalities instead of issues. Whatever else I think about Cato, I think he is dedicated to Nova Roma and her wellbeing. For that reason alone he is entitled to a certain level of respect in my mind.
>  
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> Optime Vale,
> T. Annaeus Regulus
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> From: John Citron
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:05 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pridie Eidus Decembres: CONSUALIA
>  
> Salve Cato,
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> What's the point of having power if it's not going to be put to "good" use?
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> Vale,
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> M. Iulius Scaeva
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> Divide et impera.    - Iulius Caesar
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> From: Cato <catoinnyc@gmail. com>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 10:16:17 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pridie Eidus Decembres: CONSUALIA
>
>  
> Cato Iulio Scaevae sal.
>
> So rather than consider the bulk of my speech, you hone in on the most lamentable part of all - that a praetor would use their "power" to stifle the speech of a citizen based on personality - and celebrate it?
>
> Unfortunate.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, John Citron <johnnormancitron@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Di Lauda!
> >
> > I can hardly wait for the new year to begin.
> >
> > Annus Paxis!
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Hey, we all need help now and then with the techno stuff. Don't aplogize or we'll all have to. LOL Didn't there use to be, or maybe still is, a Nova Roma Computer list? I seem to remember that. Anybody know?   Maxima Valeria Messallina --- On Mon, 12/7/09, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote: From: C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] apoloties to the forum To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:26 PM   Salvete omnes, My apologies to the list. I have found help resolving my issues, and will, of course, not trouble this forum with such inappropriate trivia again. Respectfully, C. Maria Caeca



 

 

The NRWiki list is for wiki stuff, or at least, that is my understanding. I never would have thought to go there for computer questions (so that was news to me). No, this was a list I seem to remember that was all about computers. I can't find it anymore. Guess it's defunct now. Too bad.   MaximaValeria Messallina   --- On Mon, 12/14/09, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote: From: C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] apologies to the forum To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 4:24 PM    Caeca Messalinae omnibusque sal,   Um, are you referring to the NR WIKI list?  It was always my impression that that list dealt with WIKI issues, including technical ones like editing, etc.  I never thought it was intended for general questions.  I guess I just didn't think, because I was neck deep in doing my midterm, got myself into a mess, and automatically went running to the community I thought would be the most likely to understand, shrug.   Vale et valete bene, C. Maria Caeca

Cato Iulio Scaevae sal.

So are you saying that suppressing an individual's Constitutionally-guaranteed freedom of speech, based on personality rather than the actual speech, is a "good" thing?

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, John Citron <johnnormancitron@...> wrote:
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> Salve Cato,
>
> What's the point of having power if it's not going to be put to "good" use?
>
> Vale,
>
> M. Iulius Scaeva
>
> Divide et impera.    - Iulius Caesar
>  
>  
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>
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> ________________________________
> From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 10:16:17 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pridie Eidus Decembres: CONSUALIA
>
>  
> Cato Iulio Scaevae sal.
>
> So rather than consider the bulk of my speech, you hone in on the most lamentable part of all - that a praetor would use their "power" to stifle the speech of a citizen based on personality - and celebrate it?
>
> Unfortunate.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, John Citron <johnnormancitron@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Di Lauda!
> >
> > I can hardly wait for the new year to begin.
> >
> > Annus Paxis!
>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit

 

 A. Tullia Scholastica Maximae Valeriae Messallinae optimae suae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

   

So, Scholastica, are you then suggesting these reasons for the list?

2. For many, Latin is the only common language among people who do not know one another’s vernacular languages.
3. [It] has the merit of being no one’s native tongue, so there can be no resentment that some major vernacular language, such as English, is being imposed on everyone.

Those sound like good reasons to me. :)

    ATS:  Yes, they certainly do.  I’m glad you agree.  Later on in the Sermó courses, students are allowed to watch a video of people from all over the world speaking in Latin...and even arguing a bit about the dominance of English.  
Here is my addition:

4. You learn which words that you use in your own native tongue came from Latin.

    ATS:  Indeed one does.  Approximately 60% of English vocabulary is derived from Latin (and a lot more of French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Romanian...heck, I can even figure out some of what Sabinus is saying in Romanian).  

Btw, great idea, Caeca!

    ATS:  Indeed it is.  

Valete bene,

Maxima Valeria Messallina

Valete bene!


--- On Mon, 12/14/09, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] new project
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 1:24 AM

  

 A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 
   

Salvete Omnes,

Now that I have turned in the first part of my midterm, and have a little
time before I begin studying for the rest, I have a new project in mind, and
no, this is not OT.  I want to make a list which, I hope, will eventually
make it's way to our WIKI.  What I have in mind is one of those 25 reasons
to lists that have been so popular, but, of course, we can have any number
we want, or can get.  So, post your reason(s), and I'll keep track of them,
create our list, and when it's respectable, find out what to *do* with it.

Oh!  Did I not mention the topic?  How very remiss of me! (wink).

here it is, then, and I'll start with one entry, although I can think of
several, and will add them in, if no one else does.

25 excellent reasons to learn Latin

1. It is a beautiful and eloquent language.
   

        ATS:  That it is.  2.  There are many people in the world, and some right here in Nova Roma, who actually speak Latin, and others who are very fluent writers of Latin.  For many, Latin is the only common language among people who do not know one another’s vernacular languages, and has the merit of being no one’s native tongue, so there can be no resentment that some major vernacular language, such as English, is being imposed on everyone.  

    Naming names:  Among the Latin speakers in NR are A. Gratius Avitus, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, A. Apollonius Cordus, Cn. Salvius Astur (consularis) , yours truly, possibly L. Livia Plauta, and there are others as well.  Highly competent writers include most of the above, plus C. Tullius Valerianus, Sex. Pontius Pilatus Barbatus, and apparently M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus.   No doubt there are others, as well as those who can write Latin, if less fluently, and still more who can read it.  At least two or three Tullii are competent Latinists...

    Those who want to communicate world wide might try learning Latin; in my classes I have Russians, Spaniards, Americans, Japanese, a South African, an Austrian, a Frenchman, Britons, and many others; in the past we have had Scandinavians, Israelis, and assorted South Americans, whereas we have only one of the latter this year.  The mixture varies, but is always interesting. ..and Skype or Google talk or whatever will allow you to chat with your new friends in Latin.   

Your turn!
    
Hope this helps.  

Valete optime,
C. Maria Caeca

 Valete optime!
   

 
 
   

M. Moravius Piscinus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Curate ut valeatis, et Di vos servent.

Hodie est ante diem XIIX Kalendas Ianuarias; haec dies nefastus est: ara Fortunae Reduci dedicata

A Consualia is mentioned for 15 December at Praeneste and elsewhere, including on the fasti of Amiternum that mentions the festival held on the Aventine for Consus that was celebrated on the Ides at Rome. The nature of this other Consualia is presumed to have been the same, celebrated with horse races, mule races, and chariot races.


AUC 734 / 19 BCE: Dedication of the Temple of Fortuna Redux

The Senate dedicated an Altar of Fortuna Redux upon the fortunate return of Augustus to Rome. The Altar was by the Porta Capena, near the sacred grove of Carmentis. Sacerdotes Augustales were joined by Vestales Virgines to celebrate the Augustalia, paying tribute to the Genius of Caesar Augustus. There were several forms of Fortuna recognized. There was even a temple for Bad Fortuna to placate Her and keep Her from Rome. Some Fortunae were associated with the earlier kings of Rome, some for children, for women, and so on. Fortuna multiplied, as each city had their own Fortuna, or Tyche, or Tutela, until She seemed to dominate the Empire.

"For all over the world, in all places, and at all times, Fortuna is the only Goddess whom every one invokes; She alone is spoken of, She alone is accused and is supposed to be guilty; She alone is in our thoughts, is praised and blamed, and is loathed with reproaches; wavering as She is, conceived by the generality of mankind to be blind, wandering, inconstant, uncertain, variable, and often favouring the unworthy. To Her are referred all our losses and all our gains, and in casting up the accounts of mortals She alone balances the two pages of our sheet. We are so much in the power of chance that change itself is considered as a God, and the existence of God becomes doubtful." ~ C. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 2.5

Fortuna Redux was initially associated with Augustus Caesar, and later with other emperors as they traveled; Fortuna Redux was called upon to see to his safe return. Dedications to Her are also found along the imperial boundaries where she was particularly adopted by the legions, but also by groups of merchants.Local deities were sometimes adopted in Her place. The most important of these was perhaps Nehalennia in Germania Inferior as She protected travelers from the mouth of the Rhine across the North Sea. Other forms of Fortuna developed during the imperial era as the fortunes of the empire were tied into the emperor. For example we find on the coins of Caligula his three sisters, Julia, Drusilla, and Agrippina depicted with cornucopia as though they were triple goddesses of Fortuna similar to the Germanic Vacallinehis. Fortuna Reddux, Bonus Eventus, Eventus Melior, Fortuna Domestica, Fortuna Conservatrix, are all forms of Fortuna found in the provinces. No where else is Fortuna Reddux so frequently found than on inscriptions from Dacia for the safe return of Emperor Traianus and his legions.


AUC 540 / 213 BCE: Fire at Rome and the marvel in the Temple of Fortuna

"At Rome there was a dreadful fire that lasted for two nights and a day. All the buildings between the Salinae and the Porta Carmentalis, including the Aequimaelium, the Vicus Jugarius, and the temples of Fortune and Mater Matuta were burnt to the ground. The fire traveled for a considerable distance outside the gate and destroyed much property and many sacred objects." ~ Titus Livius 24.47.15

"When the shrine of the Salii was burned, nothing was found in it intact except for the augural lituus of Romulus. The Statue of Servius Tullius remained undamaged when the Temple of Fortuna was destroyed by fire." ~ Valerius Maximus 1.8.11 (see also Cicero, Div. 1.30; Dionysius Halicarnassus 4.40.7)

There was a statue enthroned, an image of Servius:
They say it put a hand to its eyes,
And a voice was heard: 'Hide my face,
Lest it view my own wicked daughter.'
It was veiled by cloth, Fortune refused to let the robe
Be removed, and She Herself spoke from her temple:
'The day when the face of Servius is next revealed,
Will be a day when modesty is cast aside''
. . .
The temple once burned: but the fire spared
The statue: Volcanus Mulciber preserved His son.
~ Ovid, Fast 6.12-26


AUC 790 / 37 CE: Birth of Nero

Nero was born at Antium nine months after the death of Tiberius, on the eighteenth day before the Kalends of January, just as the sun rose, so that he was touched by its rays almost before he could be laid upon the ground. Many people at once made many direful predictions from his horoscope, and a remark of his father Domitius was also regarded as an omen; for while receiving the congratulations of his friends, he said that "nothing that was not abominable and a public bane could be born of Agrippina and himself." ~ A. Suetonius Tranquillus, Life of Nero 6.1


AUC 883 / 130 CE: Birth of Lucius Verus

Lucius Ceionius Aelius Commodus Verus Antoninus, "in character he was utterly ingenuous and unable to conceal a thing." His father, Lucius Aelius Verus, was adopted by Hadrian and raised to the rank of Caesar, but had died before becoming an Augustus. Young Verus remained a private citizen but in the imperial household. Hadrian had Marcus Aurelius adopt Verus, and an arrangement provided that Verus should marry the daughter of Antonius Pius. However it was Marcus Aurelius who married Faustina, and Verus, being a much younger man, was instead married to Lucilla, Marcus Aurelius' daughter. Eventually Marcus Aurelius raised Verus to co-emperor. Everything that Marcus Aurelius was, Verus was the opposite. He was fond of chariot races, preferring the Greens too publicly, and gladiatorial contests, gambling with dice, brawling in taverns, chasing young boys, other men's wives, hunting, and gluttony, all to the neglect of his duties. Marcus Aurelius sent him to Syria for the Parthian War, either to reform him or at least to get him away from Rome. His failures there brought Lucilla and Marcus Aurelius to Syria to repair the damage. A pestilence that first began at Babylon was carried back through the provinces by Verus and his army, eventually to Rome itself. When war later broke out in Germania, and then in Panonnia, Marcus Aurelius brought both Verus and Lucilla along with him. On the return from these wars Verus became seriously ill, bleeding, and died. Rumors alternated between his having been poisoned by his mother-in-law Faustina, or by his wife Lucilla. More likely his gluttony finally got the best of him, much to the benefit of the Empire.


Today's thought is from Seneca, Epistles 102

"As the mother's womb holds us for ten months, making us ready, not for the womb itself, but for the existence into which we seem to be sent forth when at last we are fitted to draw breath and live in the open; just so, throughout the years extending between infancy and old age, we are making ourselves ready for another birth. A different beginning, a different condition, awaits us. We cannot yet, except at rare intervals, endure the light of heaven; therefore, look forward without fear to that appointed hour - the last hour of the body but not of the soul."

 A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

   

Caeca Scholasticae omnibusque sal,

Indeed it does help, and thank you!  

    ATS:  Glad to be of assistance.  Not everyone knows that people REALLY DO speak Latin these days.  

This will go into my folder, and on to my list, although for what I've got in mind, I'll shorten it just a bit although ...hmmm ...on second thought ...no, I won't! (grin).  

    ATS:  Well, not all is immediately relevant, but I think it helps to know that several of us here are among the Latin speakers.  Astur, Cordus, and I were among the five survivors of the very first Assimil course, which is now called Sermo Latinus I & II.  

And now, Magistra mea, a question:  I'm *sure* Roman children played tag in some form ...it's a universal game, after all ...so how would one say "You're it!"  

    ATS:  Well, I can translate this, but whether or not Roman children used a different phrase is another matter.  Maybe they said you’re the donkey.  Or something else...but you are it is es id.  This, however, just does NOT sound right to me.  Grammatically it works, but I doubt that that is what was said by our little togati.  

Gratias tibi ago!  Next?

    ATS:  Maxima gave you another good reason...Next?  

Vale et Valete optime,
C. Maria Caeca

   Vale et valete quam optime.  

Salve,

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

I love the not-so-subtle hints that are being tossed out - better watch out or you won't be here much longer, better choose the "right" side in the coming "tide", etc. These coupled with an arrogance that accepts the action of - even encourages - a magistrate to violate the guarantees offered to our citizens by the Constitution create an appalling vision of the future of our Respublica.

Modianus, I don't care who is a fan or not, unlike some others here. What I *do* care about is the willingness, the eagerness, of some to simply run rampant over the Constitution and our law based on personal likes and dislikes, rather than an impartial respect for the law.

Iulius Scaeva, you proudly announce your desire to see a fellow citizen silenced not because of the content of their speech but rather how you *feel* about them. Remember that you "friends" will not always be in "power", so whatever you allow them now you are tacitly allowing all future magistrates - even ones who may find you and your opinions distasteful. That is a short, slippery road into tyranny and abuse - and someday you may be on the receiving end.

Think carefully before hopping onto that wagon and eagerly waving the flag of censorship.

Valete,

Cato

Yep, that is the one. Thank you. Ashame it's not active anymore. --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Charlie Collins <oldroman@...> wrote: From: Charlie Collins <oldroman@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] apoloties to the forum To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 1:43 AM   Salve, There is a NR Computer list. I did a search in Yahoogroups and found it. It's not active (at least for NR it's not). Theres nothing but SPAM there now. It has not been maintained at all. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/NovaRomaCo mputer/ Vale, Quintus Servilius Priscus On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessal lina@yahoo. com> wrote: Hey, we all need help now and then with the techno stuff. Don't aplogize or we'll all have to. LOL Didn't there use to be, or maybe still is, a Nova Roma Computer list? I seem to remember that. Anybody know?   Maxima Valeria Messallina --- On Mon, 12/7/09, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@ gmail.com> wrote: From: C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@ gmail.com> Subject: [Nova-Roma] apoloties to the forum To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:26 PM   Salvete omnes, My apologies to the list. I have found help resolving my issues, and will, of course, not trouble this forum with such inappropriate trivia again. Respectfully, C. Maria Caeca

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I posted this to the senate:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit

In other words, you were trolling for a response from him. That says more about you than about him.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Omnibus,
>
> You see how predictable Cato is my friends?
>
> A few carefully, and deliberately, placed phrases and a metaphor and he can't resist the urge to play the victim; as he always does.
>
> Why is it that he chooses to criticize, or nit-pick as some would say, those who he clearly knows do not like him.  Why, because he knows the reaction he will get.  Just as I knew the reaction I would get from him with my "changing tide metaphor".
>
> Once he picks these scabs, and is slapped back, he then carries his prattle forward, on and on, all the time crying he's the victim and that they started it.  This is so transparent it's laughable.
>
> Don't be fooled by his charade.
>
> Veritas vos liberabit.
>
> M. Iulius Scaeva
>  
>  
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 12:50:48 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pridie Eidus Decembres: CONSUALIA
>
>  
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> I love the not-so-subtle hints that are being tossed out - better watch out or you won't be here much longer, better choose the "right" side in the coming "tide", etc. These coupled with an arrogance that accepts the action of - even encourages - a magistrate to violate the guarantees offered to our citizens by the Constitution create an appalling vision of the future of our Respublica.
>
> Modianus, I don't care who is a fan or not, unlike some others here. What I *do* care about is the willingness, the eagerness, of some to simply run rampant over the Constitution and our law based on personal likes and dislikes, rather than an impartial respect for the law.
>
> Iulius Scaeva, you proudly announce your desire to see a fellow citizen silenced not because of the content of their speech but rather how you *feel* about them. Remember that you "friends" will not always be in "power", so whatever you allow them now you are tacitly allowing all future magistrates - even ones who may find you and your opinions distasteful. That is a short, slippery road into tyranny and abuse - and someday you may be on the receiving end.
>
> Think carefully before hopping onto that wagon and eagerly waving the flag of censorship.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>

Praetor Albucius omnibus s.d.

Please, cives and members, care changing the topics (titles) of your messages when, from an initial letter, the discussion has moved on a different field. The Consualia thread has nothing left to do with its first contents.

For those of us who are not interested by all matters dealt here in our Forum, having well spotted threads is a precious tool to save time.

Thanks to all.


Valete omnes,


Albucius pr.

Maior Modiano spd;
did you say martyrs? I love them; well done with a side of pommes frites would be perfect!
vale
Maior

--

>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
>
> Some people have grown so weary of your demeanor that they simply want you
> to shut up. It is less about the constitution and more about people just
> wanting you to be silent from time to time. It is about your approach. Now
> it seems like you WANT to become a martyr for your "cause." BTW... what you
> wrote to Scaeva below I can agree with. Surprise surprise.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> >
> > I love the not-so-subtle hints that are being tossed out - better watch out
> > or you won't be here much longer, better choose the "right" side in the
> > coming "tide", etc. These coupled with an arrogance that accepts the action
> > of - even encourages - a magistrate to violate the guarantees offered to our
> > citizens by the Constitution create an appalling vision of the future of our
> > Respublica.
> >
> > Modianus, I don't care who is a fan or not, unlike some others here. What I
> > *do* care about is the willingness, the eagerness, of some to simply run
> > rampant over the Constitution and our law based on personal likes and
> > dislikes, rather than an impartial respect for the law.
> >
> > Iulius Scaeva, you proudly announce your desire to see a fellow citizen
> > silenced not because of the content of their speech but rather how you
> > *feel* about them. Remember that you "friends" will not always be in
> > "power", so whatever you allow them now you are tacitly allowing all future
> > magistrates - even ones who may find you and your opinions distasteful. That
> > is a short, slippery road into tyranny and abuse - and someday you may be on
> > the receiving end.
> >
> > Think carefully before hopping onto that wagon and eagerly waving the flag
> > of censorship.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gualtero salutem dicit

Cato Maiori sal.

You are a terribly sick woman.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Modiano spd;
> did you say martyrs? I love them; well done with a side of pommes frites would be perfect!
> vale
> Maior

Cato Modiano sal.

No, Modianus, I do not "bait" others; in fact, by his own clear admission Scaeva baited me.

If I think something is wrong, I say so, and explain why. If I can be corrected intelligently, then all the more's the better. If I am correct, the matter stands. But I will not suffer fools, no matter what hats they may wear.

Bringing in my personal life - however erroneously -, lying about what I have said or not said, and dragging in my cultus privatus constitute the lowest form of response possible.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gualtero salutem dicit
>
> You're kidding right? What do you think Sulla is trying to accomplish when
> he launches one of his scathing one liners? And Cato tries to bait folks
> all the time. What you call "trolling," I call "normal in Nova Roma."
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:58 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > In other words, you were trolling for a response from him. That says more
> > about you than about him.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Gualterus
> >
>

Salvete;

I made a jape to puncture Cato, our very own self-important windbag. Thursday is Saturnalia, a time for merry-making, rude jests,when everything is turned upside down. It is entirely appropriate. The fact that I'm a well-known vegetarian is what makes it a joke!

Let's turn this thread into jokes, jests, any kind of nonsense for Saturnalia.
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> You are a terribly sick woman.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Maior Modiano spd;
> > did you say martyrs? I love them; well done with a side of pommes frites would be perfect!
> > vale
> > Maior
>

I don't see what Sulla has to do with this; he hasn't posted regularly to the ML in a while now.

As for Cato, I've not seen him try to bait anyone, and he tends to be ridiculously calm in the face of the abuse he regularly gets. If anything he should be commended for his general composure.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gualtero salutem dicit
>
> You're kidding right? What do you think Sulla is trying to accomplish when
> he launches one of his scathing one liners? And Cato tries to bait folks
> all the time. What you call "trolling," I call "normal in Nova Roma."
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:58 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > In other words, you were trolling for a response from him. That says more
> > about you than about him.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Gualterus
> >
>

Salve Scaeva;
absolutely! Hold on, I'm posting my first Saturnalia joke:

2 philosophers meet:

1st Philosopher: I'm Johannes Martin, a stoic, and you?

2nd Philosopher: Gaia Katz, Cynic

1st. Philosopher: Cynic? what made you a Cynic?

2nd Philosopher; Mr. Katz

Bene, bene, it's my first attempt;-)

King Saturn comes; it's the Golden Age
let's sing and play; may he never go away...

Maior
in pacem Saturni

>
> Salve Maior,
>
> Yes. Let us jest and let us laugh. Let not Cato's miscreant behaviour distract us from our goals and the great work that is ahead for NR.
>
> Saturnalia is upon us.  Let us rejoice!
> Â Nil Desperandum.
>
> M. Iulius ScaevaÂ
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: rory12001 <rory12001@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 10:34:32 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Saturnalia fun [was Pridie Eidus Decembres: CONSUALIA]
>
> Â
> Salvete;
>
> I made a jape to puncture Cato, our very own self-important windbag. Thursday is Saturnalia, a time for merry-making, rude jests,when everything is turned upside down. It is entirely appropriate. The fact that I'm a well-known vegetarian is what makes it a joke!
>
> Let's turn this thread into jokes, jests, any kind of nonsense for Saturnalia.
> vale
> Maior
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Maiori sal.
> >
> > You are a terribly sick woman.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maior Modiano spd;
> > > did you say martyrs? I love them; well done with a side of pommes frites would be perfect!
> > > vale
> > > Maior
> >
>

Maior Caecae spd;
recte fecisti that's the Saturnalia spirit! or as we say in latine: hahahae:)
Maior

>
> Caeca Maori omnibusque sal,
>
> OK ...you *did* ask for this ...
>
> Two Roman generals walk into a bar. The first turns to his friend and says: "So which Barbarian land do you think you'll conquer this month?" "Oh, Gaul, I suppose. And you?"
> "A place called um ...New York City, I think that's the name."
> "Where's *that*! I've never heard of it, and I thought I knew all the likely possibilities."
>
> "In the future, of course, but that a minor logistical problem."
>
> C. Maria Caeca, diving into her newly constructed yarn fort!
>

 A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae Maximae Valeriae Messallinae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 
   


Caeca Messalinae umnibusque sal,

Why think you, Amica, for doing my bit of editing for me!  I couldn't have done it better, and we've got 4 reasons, now!  21 (or more) to go!

    ATS:  Let me give you another one.  We can not only speak in Latin, we can SING in Latin!  Below is a little ditty to a well-known tune.  I have several others at hand, translated by those more talented at music than I am.  

vale et valete optime,
Caeca

======

   Mica, mica parva stella (twinkle, twinkle, little star)

1. Mica, mica, parva stella; miror quaenam sis tam bella; super terra parva pendes alba velut gemma splendes.

    Chorus:  Mica, mica, parva stella, miror, quaenam sis tam bella.
 
2. Quando fervens sol discessit, qui die natos lacessit, mox ostendis lumen purum  micans, micans, per obscurum.  

    [Chorus]

3. Tibi noctu qui vagatur ob scintillulam gratatur; ni mica cares tu, non sciret quas per vias errans iret.

    [Chorus]

4.  Thalamos tu specularis et in alto iam versaris, neque dormis unam horam donec cernimus auroram.  

    [Chorus].  [J. Taylor - H.Drury]

========

Vale, et valete.  


 
   

Cato Maiori sal.

Rejoicing in the slaughter of innocents for their religious beliefs as witnesses to those beliefs is not a "jape" or "rude jest". It is disturbing in the extreme and entirely inappropriate at any time and is certainly not in tune with the mood of the season.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete;
>
> I made a jape to puncture Cato, our very own self-important windbag. Thursday is Saturnalia, a time for merry-making, rude jests,when everything is turned upside down. It is entirely appropriate. The fact that I'm a well-known vegetarian is what makes it a joke!
>
> Let's turn this thread into jokes, jests, any kind of nonsense for Saturnalia.
> vale
> Maior
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Maiori sal.
> >
> > You are a terribly sick woman.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maior Modiano spd;
> > > did you say martyrs? I love them; well done with a side of pommes frites would be perfect!
> > > vale
> > > Maior
> >
>

Cato Scaevae sal.

Yes, the encouragement of abuse of "power" in the face of our law and Constitution should certainly give pause to intelligent citizens.

Who has declared my status as a "victim"? Not me. I only caution you from supporting a deliberate betrayal of the very foundations of a society based on equality under the law. Once you celebrate the suppression of freedom based on personality rather than fact you become part of a systematic destruction of all that a free respublica holds dear. The ancient Romans would be equally appalled.

Perhaps you are comfortable with the idea that a totalitarian government should hold its citizens captive to its whims. I am not.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Omnibus,
>
> And the prattle goes on as Cato continues his starring role; forever the victim.
>
> It's everyone else who is wrong, right?  Not Cato. No! Never! Cato?
>
> As I stated before, I baited Cato to prove a point and to demonstrate exactly what HE does on a never ending basis to those against whom he has an ax to grind.
>  But he would have you believe that he is above such deception even though we have all watched it play out here in the ML, as well as the BA, over and over and over again!
> He calls me a fool.  But make no mistake; his "ad hominem" attacks do nothing to change the facts at hand.
>
> Think about all those he has chosen to make comments to and the subsequent discourses that take place.  Think about it at length.  You will see a pattern.
>
> And the pattern will disgust you.
>
> Vale,
>
> M. Iulius Scaeva
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 8:37:36 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] the current "discussion"
>
>  
> Cato Modiano sal.
>
> No, Modianus, I do not "bait" others; in fact, by his own clear admission Scaeva baited me.
>
> If I think something is wrong, I say so, and explain why. If I can be corrected intelligently, then all the more's the better. If I am correct, the matter stands. But I will not suffer fools, no matter what hats they may wear.
>
> Bringing in my personal life - however erroneously -, lying about what I have said or not said, and dragging in my cultus privatus constitute the lowest form of response possible.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gualtero salutem dicit
> >
> > You're kidding right? What do you think Sulla is trying to accomplish when
> > he launches one of his scathing one liners? And Cato tries to bait folks
> > all the time. What you call "trolling," I call "normal in Nova Roma."
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:58 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@ >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In other words, you were trolling for a response from him. That says more
> > > about you than about him.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Gualterus
> > >
> >
>
>
>  
>

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salute plurimam dicit: Io Saturnalia! Io Triumphe!

Hodie est ante diem XVII Kalendas Ianuarias; haec dies nefastus est:

Eve of Saturnalia

"Do you see how the villagers, outspread o'er the well-worn turf, offer their yearly vows and begin the regular altar-worship? Temples reek of wine; the hollow drums resound to the hands; the Maenalids lead the youthful ring-dances amid the holy rites; joyful sounds the pipe; from the elm hangs the he-goat doomed to sacrifice, and with neck already stripped lays his vitals bare. Surely then the offspring of to day fight with no doubtful hazard? Surely the blockish herd denies not to these times the realms of gold? The days of Saturn have returned with virgin Astraea, the Maid of Justice: the age has returned in safety to the olden ways. With hope unruffled does the harvester garner all his corn-ears; Bacchus betrays the languor of old age; the herd wanders on the lea; we reap with no sword, nor do towns in fast-closed walls prepare unutterable war." Einsidlensibus Eclogis, Carmina Bucolica II. 15-28

"Who knows not of the Golden Age of the care-free King? when no man subdued fields to his will or sowed grain in them or fended harmful
weeds from the crops which were to come; when plentious harvests filled the barns to last the year; when, with no tread but his own, Bacchus ran into wine; when honies dripped from clinging leaves, and Pallas made flow her own special streams of rich olive-oil: then had
the country graciousness. To none was it e'er vouchsafed to know more joyously his own times." ~ Anonymous, Aetna

"Saturnus, when once He was entertained by a farmer who had a fair daughter named Entoria, seduced her and begat Janus, Hymnus, Faustus,
and Felix. He then taught Icarius the use of wine and viniculture, and told him that he should share his knowledge with his neighbors
also. When the neighbors did so and drank more than is customary, they fell into an unusually deep sleep. Imagining that they had been
poisoned, they pelted Icarius with stones and killed him; and his grandchildren in despair ended their lives by hanging themselves.
When a plague had gained a wide hold among the Romans, Apollo gave an oracle that it would cease if they should appease the wrath of
Saturnus and the spirits of those who had perished unlawfully. Lutatius Catulus, one of the nobles, built for the God the precinct
which lies near the Tarpeian Rock. He made the upper altar with four faces, either because of Icarius' grandchildren or because the year
has four parts; and he designated a month January. Saturnus placed them all among the stars. The others are called the Harbingers of
the Vintage, but Janus rises before them. His star is to be seen just in front of the feet of Virgo. So Critolaus in the fourth book of his Phaenomena." ~ Pseudo-Plutarch, Parallela Minora 9


The Toga

"Varro informs us, he himself having been an eye-witness, that in the temple of Sancus, the wool was still preserved on the distaff and
spindle of Tanaquil, who was also called Caia Cæcilia; and he says that the royal waved toga, formerly worn by Servius Tullius, and now
in the temple of Fortune, was made by her. Hence was derived the custom, on the marriage of a young woman, of carrying in the
procession a dressed distaff and a spindle, with the thread arranged upon it. Tanaquil was the first who wove the straight Tunica Recta,
such as our young people wear with the white Toga Pura; newly-married women also. Waved garments were at first the most esteemed of all:
after which came into vogue those composed of various colours, the Tunica Sororiculata. Fenestella informs us, that togae with a smooth
surface, as well as the Phryxian togae, began to be used in the latter part of the reign of Augustus. Thick stuffs, in the preparation of which the poppy was used, are of more ancient date, being mentioned by the poet Lucilius, in his lines on Torquatus. The Toga Prætexta had its origin among the Etrurians. I find that the kings first wore the trabea of purple stripes; embroidered garments are mentioned by Homer, and in this class originated the triumphal robes." ~ C. Plinius Secundus Maior, Historia Naturalis 8.74


Our thought for today is taken from Seneca, On Clemency, 1.1

"Today, if the immortal Gods should require a reckoning from me, I am ready to report the human race intact."

Hodie Dis immortals, si a me rationem repentant, adnumerare geunus humanum paratus sum.

Agricola Omnibus sal.

Here is a gift from our friends and allies in Legio XX. They have a wiki set up for Roman Days at wikispaces: http://romandays.wikispaces.com/

They have a new location and have just set the June dates.

bene valete in cura deorum

Praetor Albucius omnibus s.d.

Thanks for having adapted your threads topics.

Now a reminder:

1/ whatever the interest you see in your discussions, and the time you need evoking the various merits and defaults of one of us, keep on respecting each other, and mind not sliding in assimilations which would bring you assess that, because X is a Y practitioner, it would implicitly "show" that "obviously", if X is bad, in your mind, one may deduct that Y cultus is bad;

2/ keep pls also in mind that, if you want to avoid answers backed up on a peculiar belief, philosophy, etc. , it is better refraining using words who have a meaning in this belief or philosophy, and may not, in addition, be meaningful in our Roman tradition (ex. the concept of "martyr");

3/ When joking, try to think, if necessary twice, before issuing a good word in the Forum, where various sensibilities express: what would give the opportunity of a good time among friends in a triclinium may hurt here. For example, the appreciation that "martyrs" would be "well done with a side of pommes frites" is not appropriate here, and, this said, unhistorical: Romans were and are still not cannibals, and I doubt lions would either be considered as Roman citizens (as in Roman Law animals were "res") or sit at a table, put their napkin round their neck, and ask for pommes frites;

4/ The coming of Saturnalia, which is *tomorrow*, cannot be a ground allowing us such situatiions. First because Saturnalia comes tomorrow, and we are today (sorry to be obliged reminding this obvious fact); second for the spirit of Saturnalia did not, in my knowledge, contain calls for chasing minorities or their beliefs;

5/ Last, as I have already reminded it this year, the higher our quality in our Roman society, the more we need to think twice before dropping our opinions in the Forum. A senator, a magistrate or a designated magistrate has more duties about her/his behavior, and especially when he/she has been or will be in charge of this Forum.

Thanks to all, and have a good Saturnalia nevertheless, omnes with families. :-)

Valete,


P. Memmius Albucius
praetor, cos. des.