A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Majori quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
   

Maior Dextro Scholasticaque spd;
 je suis sur votre compte-rendu serait fort amusant;-)

    ATS:  Peut-être...

 a bas les patriciens!

    ATS:  This is not what a sensible person would term appropriate.  Saying Down with Patricians is rude and inappropriate, not to mention silly in NR, where there is little difference between the patricians and the plebeians, and none of the minimal distinctions between them is based on the likes of macronational social class.  

    To reiterate:  Senate reports are not merely the business of the plebeians, nor, for that matter, are the tribuni responsible solely to the plebeians.  They are responsible to all of us.  Kindly note, too, that we are not oppressing the plebeians...we don’t have slaves...no one has been branded on the forehead with an F for running away from Latin class...or even from a magistracy, as has happened all too often.  

 Maior

Vale, et valete.  

> >  
> >  
> >  A. Tullia Scholastica C. Equitio Catoni M. Hortensiae Majori C. Petronio
> > Dextro quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >    
> >
> > Cato Maiori Peronio Dextero Tulliae Scholasticae SPD
> >
> > Let me please point out that the business of the Senate is the business of the
> > Respublica.
> >
> >     ATS:  I agree.  This is NOT purely a plebeian matter at all.  If it were,
> > the Senate reports might find their way to the CPT list, and nowhere else.
> >
> >  The Senate's prerogative to correct any mistakes in an official report of its
> > activities is paramount as the supreme policy-making body of the State.  The
> > "time" has certainly not "passed" for a correct report to be prepared and
> > issued.
> >
> >     ATS:  Again, I agree.  Better late than never...but it must be correct.
> >
> > Petronius Dexter, I fully support your quite correct desire to get this report
> > issued, but I urge you, as someone who has shown a strong declared desire for
> > proper action, to submit your report first - in accordance with historic
> > practice - to the Senate for its approval first.
> >
> >     ATS:  Et iterum.  The draft reports often have errors in the recorded
> > votes or what have you, and MUST be put before the Senate before being posted
> > to the ML...unless you want to revise, and revise, and revise until no one
> > knows who said what.
> >
> > Optime valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > P.S. - they're saying we may get two feet (.75m) of snow in the city!  Hooray!
> > GEC
> >
> >     ATS:  And we haven’t had a flake from this one.  Nyah, nyah, nyah!  NYC
> > could use a good washing.  ;-)  We may have to lend you our snowplows, though
> > they may get detailed to Maryland and DC...
> >
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Maior Scholasticae spd;
> >> >
> >> > Scholastica, allow me to point out that this is plebeian business and you
> >> are a patrician. It really is inappropriate for patricians to interfere in
> >> our affairs. Though I can appreciate your desire for vetting, but that time
> >> has passed. The plebs' rights to be informed come first
> >> >
> >> > I look forward to Dexter's report. It's good to see the tribunes ensuring
> >> the plebs traditional rights.
> >> >              May all enjoy the Saturnalia!
> >> >                 bene vale in pacem Saturni
> >> >                       Maior
> >
> >
>

 
   

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
> I could not agree more that languages are infused with new life with all the differences. Every time I go to Mexico, I am constantly discovering new dialects and differences in Spanish. I learned most of my Spanish as a child, but all the Spanish I learned as an adult comes out with the distinct acento norte americano. Even so, when Spaniards hears my Spanish, they think I am from Mexico. Mexicans, however, even with my best Spanish know instantly I'm an American and those with well trained ears will correctly ascertain that I am a native Californian.
> Same in France; I can hear all these wonderfully different accents even though everyone is speaking French and I always ask where the person is from so I can accustom my ear to distinguishing the different dialects and regions. It makes learning new languages fun. Thank goodness we don't all sound the same. How boring would that be!
> Now I'm going to venture a guess that not everyone in ancient Rome spoke Latin exactly in the same manner. Don't you think there would have been a difference between the Latin of a scholar and that of a farmer? Between a native of Rome and say a native of Capua? Between those who were raised speaking Latin and those who learned it later in life? I'd like to think it made Latin sound as interesting to the ear as all the differences we hear today in English and with all languages everywhere (unless it's a language spoken by a very small group of people living in relative isolation from the rest of the world).
> Â
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/21/09, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:47 AM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Salve Agricola
>
> You left out those from Belize, whose English is purer and less influenced by foreign contacts than is the English spoken in London today.
>
> You don't have to travel all over the US to discover the diversity that exists just in this country. Just travel about from neighborhood to neighborhood in any major city. I live in a city of only 200,000 and there are parts where some neighbors speak a form of English I cannot understand. Our society is becoming more cosmopolitan with immigrants arriving from all over the world, and others coming from different parts of the US. There are many in Akron from West Virginia, and just as I cannot understand them well, they have a hard time understanding my Cleveland accent. There are ethnic differences, generational differences, class differences, as well as regional differences, all of which will continually evolve the language's diversity.
>
> Rather than bringing the language "down to the lowest common denominator" as Cato would have it, this process of change has always infused new words and new ideas into languages, resulting in greater progress through communication.
>
> Vale
> Piscinus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "marcus.lucretius" <marcus.lucretius@ ....> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Agricola, I understand it now - thank you -, and consider it abhorrent. Perhaps some languages may acquiesce to their degradation to a lowest common denominator, but just because it is being done does not make it correct or laudable. The Academie Francaise might say the same regarding Dexter's native tongue.
> > >
> > > Optime valete,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Agricola Catoni sal.
> >
> > You are not alone, certainly, in this, but probably in a minority, at least among linguists. We native speakers of English get great benefit when our language is used globally in the way that it is: commerce, science, government. But if English is going to be accepted as the global standard most broadly, and I mean by those people who do not speak it as a native tongue, then we have to be willing to accept that other varieties besides the traditionally prestige dialects be accepted without opprobrium in public discourse. This in a nutshell is the idea of "world Englishes".
> >
> > What we are talking about here isn't chaos. In fact, the range of dialectical variation is no more than what occurs naturally between the various "native speaker" communities. Collect together an American from the deep South, another from California, another from inner city Chicago, a Canadian, a Scot, a Londoner, an Indian, an Australian, a New Zealander, whom have I left out? -- all "native speakers" and try to get them to write a grammar on which all can agree, then stand back. We've met, so you know that I speak a prestige dialect myself, but am I justified in requiring all the other native speakers to conform to my standards? There certainly ARE discourse communities where such compliance would be expected. But here in our community, we can establish the norms for our discourse community among ourselves. This is the "escape" of English. It is no longer in the hands of the native speakers of the prestige dialects to dictate the standards to all.
> >
> > I'm not writing what I hope to be, but what is, as it is observed in the field by linguists. I recently attended a conference where I heard some very interesting presentations on the English use of non-native English speakers in different professions. One presentation was a corpus study of award-winning IEEE papers that revealed an interesting and systematic pattern of "non-standard" usage. Note that these publications *won awards* in their field.
> >
> > Well, when I get going on applied linguistics I can go forever, so I'll stop here. I have a feeling that we may have to agree to disagree on this one, but I hope you found it interesting anyway.
> >
> > optime vale
> >
>

> Item IV.
>
> Approval of new Senate rules
>
> In recent times the Senate list has been becoming a tacky place for discussion,
> where everybody seems to feel authorized to attack and insult everybody. To
> avoid this situation, the Consuls propose the establishment of some minimum
> standards:
>
> a) The Senate list must be under the moderation control of the Consuls.
>
> b) The Contio will be moderated. Each Senator shall have her or his
> respective turns for speech and replies according to the traditions followed in
> ancient Rome, so nobody can monopolize the Senate rostrum and become the center
> of all debates.
>
> c) The Senate list will be closed between sessions. If the Senatores would
> like to discuss Nova Roma matters, they can do this in private or in other
> forums.
>
> d) Discussions will be not allowed during the voting time.
>
> Off topic messages during contio or voting time will be rejected.
>
> Item IV PASSED.
> VTI ROGAS: XIV.
> ANTIQVO: XI.
> ABSTINEO: I.

 
 A. Tullia Scholastica Maximae Valeriae Messallinae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
   

I could not agree more that languages are infused with new life with all the differences. Every time I go to Mexico, I am constantly discovering new dialects and differences in Spanish. I learned most of my Spanish as a child, but all the Spanish I learned as an adult comes out with the distinct acento norte americano. Even so, when Spaniards hears my Spanish, they think I am from Mexico.

    ATS:  Castilian and Latin American Spanish differ in pronunciation, which makes it easy for any speaker of either to place any speaker thereof on his or her native side of the Atlantic.  Castilian hath King Ferdinand’s lithp [lisp], and other phonetic features, whereas Latin American Spanish does not, and no doubt there are vocabulary differences from one country to another.

Mexicans, however, even with my best Spanish know instantly I'm an American and those with well trained ears will correctly ascertain that I am a native Californian.
Same in France; I can hear all these wonderfully different accents even though everyone is speaking French and I always ask where the person is from so I can accustom my ear to distinguishing the different dialects and regions.

    ATS:  You must have good ears.  Care to trade? ;-)

It makes learning new languages fun. Thank goodness we don't all sound the same. How boring would that be!
Now I'm going to venture a guess that not everyone in ancient Rome spoke Latin exactly in the same manner.

    ATS:  Of course they didn’t.  Now in Athens, there was a standard accent for Attic Greek, but that was not the case in Rome.  

Don't you think there would have been a difference between the Latin of a scholar and that of a farmer?

    ATS:  Indeed there was.  Plautus, and, perhaps to a lesser extent, Terence, preserve colloquial Latin.  

Between a native of Rome and say a native of Capua?

    ATS:  Almost certainly.

Between those who were raised speaking Latin and those who learned it later in life?

    ATS:  Some Romans at least made fun of some who learned Latin later on, and aspirated their mute stops (p, t, c/k), as we Germanic speakers do.  I may be a little behind on research in psycholinguistics, but when I did do some reading in this fascinating field, I noted that the consensus was that a change occurs in the brain during the 12th year; after that, one cannot learn the phonological system of a foreign language perfectly, though some can come close.  Conversely, that is just when those whose languages have extensive morphological systems, such as Russian, begin to get their paradigms down pat.  

MVM: I'd like to think it made Latin sound as interesting to the ear as all the differences we hear today in English and with all languages everywhere (unless it's a language spoken by a very small group of people living in relative isolation from the rest of the world).

    ATS:  If you listen to Avitus reciting Latin, you will periodically hear him pronounce ille (and other double-l words) as ilye rather than il-le, for he is a native speaker of Castilian Spanish, and sometimes that comes through.  Several of my British students detest the tapes which accompany their textbook, for in them, the dialogs are spoken by native French speakers who have serious problems pronouncing both h and r, though  they do quite well with the m-caduca. The Britanni can barely understand Latin pronounced in the French fashion, and more than one has implored me for an alternative.  There are many Latinists in this world, many Latin speakers, and they bring the accents of Poland and Bulgaria and wherever with them.  Even the professors on the acclaimed YLE Radio pronounce -ae in the Italian fashion, and treat v as English, rather than Latin, v [= English w], though other elements of their pronunciation are in keeping with the restituta pronunciation we use.  

Maxima Valeria Messallina

Vale, et valete.  


--- On Mon, 12/21/09, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...> wrote:

From: marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:47 AM

  Salve Agricola

You left out those from Belize, whose English is purer and less influenced by foreign contacts than is the English spoken in London today.

You don't have to travel all over the US to discover the diversity that exists just in this country. Just travel about from neighborhood to neighborhood in any major city. I live in a city of only 200,000 and there are parts where some neighbors speak a form of English I cannot understand. Our society is becoming more cosmopolitan with immigrants arriving from all over the world, and others coming from different parts of the US. There are many in Akron from West Virginia, and just as I cannot understand them well, they have a hard time understanding my Cleveland accent. There are ethnic differences, generational differences, class differences, as well as regional differences, all of which will continually evolve the language's diversity.

Rather than bringing the language "down to the lowest common denominator" as Cato would have it, this process of change has always infused new words and new ideas into languages, resulting in greater progress through communication.

Vale
Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "marcus.lucretius" <marcus.lucretius@ ...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Agricola, I understand it now - thank you -, and consider it abhorrent. Perhaps some languages may acquiesce to their degradation to a lowest common denominator, but just because it is being done does not make it correct or laudable. The Academie Francaise might say the same regarding Dexter's native tongue.
> >
> > Optime valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
>
> Agricola Catoni sal.
>
> You are not alone, certainly, in this, but probably in a minority, at least among linguists. We native speakers of English get great benefit when our language is used globally in the way that it is: commerce, science, government. But if English is going to be accepted as the global standard most broadly, and I mean by those people who do not speak it as a native tongue, then we have to be willing to accept that other varieties besides the traditionally prestige dialects be accepted without opprobrium in public discourse. This in a nutshell is the idea of "world Englishes".
>
> What we are talking about here isn't chaos. In fact, the range of dialectical variation is no more than what occurs naturally between the various "native speaker" communities. Collect together an American from the deep South, another from California, another from inner city Chicago, a Canadian, a Scot, a Londoner, an Indian, an Australian, a New Zealander, whom have I left out? -- all "native speakers" and try to get them to write a grammar on which all can agree, then stand back. We've met, so you know that I speak a prestige dialect myself, but am I justified in requiring all the other native speakers to conform to my standards? There certainly ARE discourse communities where such compliance would be expected. But here in our community, we can establish the norms for our discourse community among ourselves. This is the "escape" of English. It is no longer in the hands of the native speakers of the prestige dialects to dictate the standards to all.
>
> I'm not writing what I hope to be, but what is, as it is observed in the field by linguists. I recently attended a conference where I heard some very interesting presentations on the English use of non-native English speakers in different professions. One presentation was a corpus study of award-winning IEEE papers that revealed an interesting and systematic pattern of "non-standard" usage. Note that these publications *won awards* in their field.
>
> Well, when I get going on applied linguistics I can go forever, so I'll stop here. I have a feeling that we may have to agree to disagree on this one, but I hope you found it interesting anyway.
>
> optime vale
>

 
 
   

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@...> wrote:
>
> Regarding the new Senate discussion management rules:
>
> Maybe I'm just clueless, but...Couldn't you guys simply abide by Roberts' Rules of Order? Works fine for everybody else.
>
> Paulla Corva Gaudialis
>
> > Item IV.
> >
> > Approval of new Senate rules
> >
> > In recent times the Senate list has been becoming a tacky place for discussion,
> > where everybody seems to feel authorized to attack and insult everybody. To
> > avoid this situation, the Consuls propose the establishment of some minimum
> > standards:
> >
> > a) The Senate list must be under the moderation control of the Consuls.
> >
> > b) The Contio will be moderated. Each Senator shall have her or his
> > respective turns for speech and replies according to the traditions followed in
> > ancient Rome, so nobody can monopolize the Senate rostrum and become the center
> > of all debates.
> >
> > c) The Senate list will be closed between sessions. If the Senatores would
> > like to discuss Nova Roma matters, they can do this in private or in other
> > forums.
> >
> > d) Discussions will be not allowed during the voting time.
> >
> > Off topic messages during contio or voting time will be rejected.
> >
> > Item IV PASSED.
> > VTI ROGAS: XIV.
> > ANTIQVO: XI.
> > ABSTINEO: I.
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d,
>
> >>> When I did not understand what he was trying to say, I apologized and said so. I don't know how more tactful I needed to be.<<<
>
> A mon humble avis, agir avec tact aurait été de n'en rien dire. Je sais fort bien ce que vaut mon anglais.
>
> Ceci dit, si le rapport tribunicien est si officiel qu'il doive être écrit dans l'anglais le plus pur, où en trouve-t-on trace? Dans quelles archives d'état se trouvent tous les rapports des tribuns?
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

 
 A. Tullia Scholastica M. Moravio Piscino quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
   

Salve Agricola

You left out those from Belize, whose English is purer and less influenced by foreign contacts than is the English spoken in London today.

You don't have to travel all over the US to discover the diversity that exists just in this country. Just travel about from neighborhood to neighborhood in any major city. I live in a city of only 200,000 and there are parts where some neighbors speak a form of English I cannot understand. Our society is becoming more cosmopolitan with immigrants arriving from all over the world, and others coming from different parts of the US.  There are many in Akron from West Virginia, and just as I cannot understand them well, they have a hard time understanding my Cleveland accent.

    ATS:  Cleveland accent?  Cleveland has an accent?  I had no trouble understanding you, or any of the others present at Conventus...or at the British Conventus, either, though at least four different countries were represented there and English was not the only tongue we spoke (four of us had extensive sessions in Latin).   Albucius did give me the most trouble, though... ;-)

There are ethnic differences, generational differences, class differences, as well as regional differences, all of which will continually evolve the language's diversity.

    ATS:  There are marked class differences in many elements of behavior, language among them.  

Rather than bringing the language "down to the lowest common denominator" as Cato would have it, this process of change has always infused new words and new ideas into languages, resulting in greater progress through communication.

    ATS:  I firmly believe in standards, and am opposed to LCDs outside of math.  They are bad enough there.  However, languages do evolve, and additions to vocabulary are important.  One of the problems with spoken Latin is the extreme need for neologism and a lack of agreement on the nature and methodology for obtaining such additions to the Latin vocabulary.  Avitus is supposedly working on one or two books on this subject, which may bring some order into the present somewhat chaotic state if he ever finishes them.  

    English seems to be both universal donor and universal recipient among languages insofar as vocabulary is concerned; the absence of grammatically-mandated bound morphemes which dot languages such as Latin and Greek seems to make it easier to donate items from our huge vocabulary and have them be adopted unaltered into a number of other languages.  

Vale
Piscinus  

Vale, et valete.  




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "marcus.lucretius" <marcus.lucretius@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Agricola, I understand it now - thank you -, and consider it abhorrent.  Perhaps some languages may acquiesce to their degradation to a lowest common denominator, but just because it is being done does not make it correct or laudable. The Academie Francaise might say the same regarding Dexter's native tongue.
> >
> > Optime valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
>
> Agricola Catoni sal.
>
> You are not alone, certainly, in this, but probably in a minority, at least among linguists. We native speakers of English get great benefit when our language is used globally in the way that it is: commerce, science, government. But if English is going to be accepted as the global standard most broadly, and I mean by those people who do not speak it as a native tongue, then we have to be willing to accept that other varieties besides the traditionally prestige dialects be accepted without opprobrium in public discourse. This in a nutshell is the idea of "world Englishes".
>
> What we are talking about here isn't chaos. In fact, the range of dialectical variation is no more than what occurs naturally between the various "native speaker" communities. Collect together an American from the deep South, another from California, another from inner city Chicago, a Canadian, a Scot, a Londoner, an Indian, an Australian, a New Zealander, whom have I left out? -- all "native speakers" and try to get them to write a grammar on which all can agree, then stand back. We've met, so you know that I speak a prestige dialect myself, but am I justified in requiring all the other native speakers to conform to my standards? There certainly ARE discourse communities where such compliance would be expected. But here in our community, we can establish the norms for our discourse community among ourselves. This is the "escape" of English. It is no longer in the hands of the native speakers of the prestige dialects to dictate the standards to all.
>
> I'm not writing what I hope to be, but what is, as it is observed in the field by linguists. I recently attended a conference where I heard some very interesting presentations on the English use of non-native English speakers in different professions. One presentation was a corpus study of award-winning IEEE papers that revealed an interesting and systematic pattern of "non-standard" usage. Note that these publications *won awards* in their field.
>
> Well, when I get going on applied linguistics I can go forever, so I'll stop here. I have a feeling that we may have to agree to disagree on this one, but I hope you found it interesting anyway.
>
> optime vale
>

 
   

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Hortensia
>
> That BA tactic is older still. In 2000 Sulla attacked Marcius Rex as a candidate for censor, saying that he, Sulla, would be unable to work with someone who was not a native speaker of English. Marcius Rex is an Austrian ambassador to the EU and was a professor of law at Vienna. His English outshown most of us "native" speakers. Such attacks as have been made over the years by Sulla, Fabius Maximus, and now Cato have been more of an embarassment to Nova Roma for their pettiness and meanness of character. It is counter-productive to our Citizens working together, and it has often appeared to be their very intent to thwarth Nova Roma from progressing.
>
> What funny accent? I didn't notice it. Ni hun hao.
>
> Vale optime
> M. Moravius
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Scaeva;
> > this is an old tactic from the BA crowd,back in 2004, I think Apulus Caesar was running for office and Q. Fabius Maximus made fun of his English.
> > Trying to embarass someone who is speaking and making efforts in various languages is just plain bad manners. When we told Fabius Maximus to do better in Italian the gibberish he wrote had the ML laughing.
> >
> > You can believe I've been teased for my aberrant American patois in Ireland, saying such peculiar things as 'gas' for 'petrol' and my funny New York accent, no less England! And now the U.S. South.
> >
> > I'm learning Latin & making mistakes, thats the way to success, thinking now of trying Mandarin Chinese too.
> >
> > Num Iste Cato est sapientior quam Plato;-)
> >
> > lol, optime vale
> > Maior
> >
> > >
> > > Salve Cato,
> > >
> > > My friend, maybe if you had been a little more tactfull in criticizing Dexter's English skills, he may have been less likely to have made a jab at you; IMHO.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > M.Iulius ScaevaÂ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Cato <catoinnyc@>
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 10:38:32 PM
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Cato Dextero sal.
> > >
> > > Who is acting in bad faith if I say I do not understand what you wrote and you immediately laugh and declare the worst?
> > >
> > > I give up. The most polite approach in the world will never satisfy your overwhelming need to justify arrogance. Enjoy your year in..."power" .
> > >
> > > Optime vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
> > > >
> > > > > I'm sorry but I understood almost nothing of what you said regarding the English language.
> > > >
> > > > Lol. Moi, je reconnais là votre parfaite mauvaise foi.
> > > >
> > > > > At any rate, I am glad to hear that your colleagues will be assisting you in making future reports.
> > > >
> > > > I am not the one who will make reports. In this case, it was urgent to give it to the people. I did. The next time will be the next time.
> > > >
> > > > Vale.
> > > >
> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > > Tribunus Plebis
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

> Since the official language of the Respublica is English for business (Latin for ceremony) according to the lex Lex Cornelia de linguis publicis, the reports of the tribunes must be in English. It may be assumed - perhaps incorrectly, apparently - that this English should comply with current standards of grammar and syntax.

> Why do you write to me in French?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Dexter C. Catoni s.p.d.,
>
> > Since the official language of the Respublica is English for business (Latin for ceremony) according to the lex Lex Cornelia de linguis publicis, the reports of the tribunes must be in English. It may be assumed - perhaps incorrectly, apparently - that this English should comply with current standards of grammar and syntax.
>
> Je sais tout cela.
>
> > Why do you write to me in French?
>
> Par respect pour votre amour du beau langage. Comme mon anglais est incompréhensible et qu'il effarouche vos oreilles, je m'adresse à vous en français où je suis plus à l'aise naturellement.
>
> Y verriez-vous un inconvénient?
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Tribunus Plebis
>

>>> Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3 contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.

>>> I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging the Res Publica.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Corva;
> if we were a Roman club that would be fine, but Nova Roma is more than that, we're reconstructionists.
>
> Traditionally the Senate closed and Senatores met informally to discuss issues, the Senaculum, it's in Andrew Lintott and I suggested this traditional solution to the Senate. Cordus told me about "the Constitution of the Roman Republic" and it is a great book and I urge everyone to get it.
>
> optime vale
> Maior
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@> wrote:
> >
> > Regarding the new Senate discussion management rules:
> >
> > Maybe I'm just clueless, but...Couldn't you guys simply abide by Roberts' Rules of Order? Works fine for everybody else.
> >
> > Paulla Corva Gaudialis

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Caeca Catoni omnibusque sal,
>
> Perhaps not surprisingly, I was thinking about this subject today. it is my understanding that there are very specific rules for the pronunciation of Latin (classical Latin), based on extensive modern scholarship. Accent is ...a different matter, though. To be sure, there must have been people in Roma Antiqua who spoke exquisitely correct Latin ...Cicero comes to mind, and against whose manner of speaking those interested in elocution excellence were measured. However, just as in any major city, people came from all sorts of backgrounds and places, and each of those places and backgrounds found their way (as they do now) into their manner of speech, and colored it. In fact, this is still true: Not only does person who is attempting to speak a 2nd language going to carry his/her accent with, but even the region of the country, which will have its impact. I'm not good at being able to tell from which part of, say, France, someone comes, but I'd be willing to bet that any native French speaker can. Region colors pronunciation as much as does native language, and I suspect that has always been the case. My point is that, while there are specific standards, and while anyone learning any language, including Latin, should come as close to those standards as possible, their speech will, of necessity, reflect their place of origin, their place of residence, and, quite possibly, the place of their parents' origin. For example, although I was born and raised in the Baltimore, MD area, my entire family came from Pittsburgh, and, to this day, I pronounce certain words like a good Pittsburgh girl, and I'm sure the Baltimore comes though, as does, I expect the GA, where I live. If this is so in my native language, how much more so will it be in my attempts to pronounce Latin? Then again, Latin was spoken as the lingua franca by people from all over Europe, the Middle East and a good bit of Africa. My personal view is that while people can, and should, wok at correct pronunciation, accent, in itself isn't a negative thing, and, in fact, adds texture and interest to a speaking voice, at least in moderation.
>
> Sorry for the ramble! Io Saturnalia!
>
> Vale et valete bene,
> C. Maria Caeca
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Piscine;
> I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
>
> Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3 contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
>
> I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging the Res Publica.
>
> hehe; sure an how's yourself;-)
> optime vale
> Maior
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/21/2009 2:58:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> c.mariacaeca@... writes:
>
> Then again, Latin was spoken as the lingua franca by people from all over
> Europe, the Middle East and a good bit of Africa. My personal view is that
> while people can, and should, wok at correct pronunciation, accent, in
> itself isn't a negative thing, and, in fact, adds texture and interest to a
> speaking voice, at least in moderation.
>
>
>
>
> Latin was spoken through out Western Europe, but in Greece and the East,
> the home of Alexander's Successors they spoke a mix of Persian, Hebrew and
> Greek called Koine. Later Turkish words were included and modern Greek can
> probably be traced from the mix of Medieval and Koine Greek.
>
> When I first learned English I found the best way to learn pronunciation
> was to listen to mid-west radio and TV announcers. Their English is almost
> flat with no dialect.
>
> Io Saturnalia
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>

On 12/22/09, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@...> wrote:
> Salve Cato,
>
> Are you insulting one of our gods?
>
> Vale,
>
> M. Iulius Scaeva
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 12:08:14 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
>
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> Please. You are beating a dead horse - and once again deliberately and
> demonstrably lying to create an atmosphere of hostility. How very
> magisterial and in keeping with your supposed Saturnalia festiveness! You
> should take up Ianus as your personal deity, since you practice his peculiar
> physical attribute so well.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@. ..> wrote:
>>
>> Salve Piscine;
>> I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was
>> great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
>>
>> Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3
>> contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
>>
>> I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging
>> the Res Publica.
>>
>> hehe; sure an how's yourself;-)
>> optime vale
>> Maior
>>
>
>
>

--
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Cato,
>
> Now isn't that sort of like the the pot calling the kettle blague!
>
> ROFLMAO
>
> Vale,
>
> M. Iulius Scaeva
>  
>  
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 11:43:04 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
>
>  
> Cato Dextero sal.
>
> LOL no, it's fine for me, and in fact I do love the French language - it's almost as beautiful as Italian :) - but it may irritate those who do not speak French. You carry the blague to an unnecessary extreme.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > C. Dexter C. Catoni s.p.d.,
> >
> > > Since the official language of the Respublica is English for business (Latin for ceremony) according to the lex Lex Cornelia de linguis publicis, the reports of the tribunes must be in English. It may be assumed - perhaps incorrectly, apparently - that this English should comply with current standards of grammar and syntax.
> >
> > Je sais tout cela.
> >
> > > Why do you write to me in French?
> >
> > Par respect pour votre amour du beau langage. Comme mon anglais est incompréhensible et qu'il effarouche vos oreilles, je m'adresse à vous en français où je suis plus à l'aise naturellement.
> >
> > Y verriez-vous un inconvénient?
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Tribunus Plebis
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Cato,
>
> Are you insulting one of our gods?
>
> Vale,
>
> M. Iulius Scaeva
>  
>  
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 12:08:14 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
>
>  
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> Please. You are beating a dead horse - and once again deliberately and demonstrably lying to create an atmosphere of hostility. How very magisterial and in keeping with your supposed Saturnalia festiveness! You should take up Ianus as your personal deity, since you practice his peculiar physical attribute so well.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Piscine;
> > I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
> >
> > Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3 contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
> >
> > I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging the Res Publica.
> >
> > hehe; sure an how's yourself;-)
> > optime vale
> > Maior
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Yes he is. He does it all the time and wonders why he is surrounded by contempt.
>
> Valete:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
>
>
> On 12/22/09, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@...> wrote:
> > Salve Cato,
> >
> > Are you insulting one of our gods?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > M. Iulius Scaeva
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 12:08:14 AM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
> >
> >
> > Cato Maiori sal.
> >
> > Please. You are beating a dead horse - and once again deliberately and
> > demonstrably lying to create an atmosphere of hostility. How very
> > magisterial and in keeping with your supposed Saturnalia festiveness! You
> > should take up Ianus as your personal deity, since you practice his peculiar
> > physical attribute so well.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@ ..> wrote:
> >>
> >> Salve Piscine;
> >> I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was
> >> great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
> >>
> >> Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3
> >> contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
> >>
> >> I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging
> >> the Res Publica.
> >>
> >> hehe; sure an how's yourself;-)
> >> optime vale
> >> Maior
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>

 

Cato Scaevae sal.

Read carefully - I said she displays the "peculiar physical attribute" of Ianus - i.e., she is two-faced. Nothing about the god Himself.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@ ...> wrote:
>
> Salve Cato,
>
> Are you insulting one of our gods?
>
> Vale,
>
> M. Iulius Scaeva
>  
>  
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Cato <catoinnyc@. ..>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 12:08:14 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
>
>  
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> Please. You are beating a dead horse - and once again deliberately and demonstrably lying to create an atmosphere of hostility. How very magisterial and in keeping with your supposed Saturnalia festiveness! You should take up Ianus as your personal deity, since you practice his peculiar physical attribute so well.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Piscine;
> > I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
> >
> > Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3 contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
> >
> > I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging the Res Publica.
> >
> > hehe; sure an how's yourself;-)
> > optime vale
> > Maior
> >
>

>
> Salve Piscine;
> I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
>
> Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3 contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
>
> I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are >damaging the Res Publica.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Modiano sal.
>
> Ah, another one of the frog chorus. Prove it with a single example. Maior claims this constantly, Regulus tried, Piscinus has dipped his toes in that fish pond, but all to no avail - simply because it is a lie.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes he is. He does it all the time and wonders why he is surrounded by contempt.
> >
> > Valete:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/22/09, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@> wrote:
> > > Salve Cato,
> > >
> > > Are you insulting one of our gods?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > M. Iulius Scaeva
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Cato <catoinnyc@>
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 12:08:14 AM
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > >
> > > Please. You are beating a dead horse - and once again deliberately and
> > > demonstrably lying to create an atmosphere of hostility. How very
> > > magisterial and in keeping with your supposed Saturnalia festiveness! You
> > > should take up Ianus as your personal deity, since you practice his peculiar
> > > physical attribute so well.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@ ..> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Salve Piscine;
> > >> I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was
> > >> great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
> > >>
> > >> Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3
> > >> contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
> > >>
> > >> I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging
> > >> the Res Publica.
> > >>
> > >> hehe; sure an how's yourself;-)
> > >> optime vale
> > >> Maior
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> >
>

 
 
   A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

Caeca Catoni omnibusque sal,

Perhaps not surprisingly, I was thinking about this subject today.  it is my understanding that there are very specific rules for the pronunciation of Latin (classical Latin), based on extensive modern scholarship.

    ATS:  Yes, if one uses the restored pronunciation.  The Italian (so-called Church) pronunciation is also used, and there is some variation within that.  In the past, Latin was pronounced in the same fashion as one’s vernacular, with less than stellar results.

 Accent is ...a different matter, though.  To be sure, there must have been people in Roma Antiqua who spoke exquisitely correct Latin

    ATS:  Oh, certainly.  

 ...Cicero comes to mind, and against whose manner of speaking those interested in elocution excellence were measured.  

    ATS:  And since oratory was so important to the Romans, pronunciation and other linguistic elements were stressed.  

However, just as in any major city, people came from all sorts of backgrounds and places, and each of those places and backgrounds found their way (as they do now) into their manner of speech, and colored it.  In fact, this is still true:  Not only does  person who is attempting to speak a 2nd language going to carry his/her accent with, but even the region of the country, which will have its impact.  I'm not good at being able to tell from which part of, say, France, someone comes, but I'd be willing to bet that any native French speaker can.

    ATS:  I can distinguish some regional US accents, but mostly in broad terms:  New England, NYC, Southern, Western (NYC is a special case, and even has subdivisions such as Brooklynese).  Even though I have studied linguistics, I would be hard put to localize dialects other than one which occurs in part of my area, in which a couple of letters have acquired very odd sounds, such as that one ties a gnat in one’s shoelace rather than a knot.  The vowel in the word man is affected even more strongly, and becomes a nasalized sound similar to myan.

CMC:  Region colors pronunciation as much as does native language, and I suspect that has always been the case.  My point is that, while there are specific standards, and while anyone learning any language, including Latin, should come as close to those standards as possible, their speech will, of necessity, reflect their place of origin, their place of residence, and, quite possibly, the place of their parents' origin.  For example, although I was born and raised in the Baltimore, MD area, my entire family came from Pittsburgh, and, to this day, I pronounce certain words like a good Pittsburgh girl, and I'm sure the Baltimore comes though, as does, I expect the GA, where I live.  

    ATS:  I hear a little southern intonation in your speech, but could not distinguish Baltimore from Atlanta.  We need Enry Iggins.  (just you wyte, Enry Iggins, just you wyte, as a certain lady used to sing).  

If this is so in my native language, how much more so will it be in my attempts to pronounce Latin?  

    ATS:  Listen to the sound files, and to Lentulus and Avitus on video.  You should do fine.  

Then again, Latin was spoken as the lingua franca by people from all over Europe, the Middle East and a good bit of Africa.  My personal view is that while people can, and should, wok at correct pronunciation, accent, in itself isn't a negative thing, and, in fact, adds texture and interest to a speaking voice, at least in moderation.

    ATS:  Yes.  All of us bring our native speech habits with us, and there are some which are almost impossible to conquer when speaking another language.  Recently I heard something on the news about some toy called Zhu Zhu Pets, which the anchorman pronounced as zoo zoo pets, perhaps because English does not have the zh sound.  Now, I can pronounce this without difficulty, but he apparently could not.  Deaspirating mute stops is another matter; THAT is difficult for Germanic speakers.  Differentiating vowel length, too, is somewhat challenging; if you listen to Lentulus carefully, you will hear this distinction made by someone whose native language observes vowel length carefully, whereas among us English speakers, even when actual vowel length is involved rather than the diphthongization which in English passes for vowel length, the distinction is often minimal, especially in the Southern dialect areas where the drawl prevails.  

Sorry for the ramble!  Io Saturnalia!

    ATS:  Intellectual rambles are welcome!  Io Saturnalia!  

Vale et valete bene,
C. Maria Caeca

   Vale et valete bene.  

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, John Citron <johnnormancitron@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Cato,
>
> I did read carefully. The word peculiar is often used in a negative light.
>
> You may want to choose your words more carefully when refering to our gods.
>
> I myself wouldn't use the word peculiar; maybe unique would have been a better choice as the connotation is more favorable.
>
> Vale,
>
> M. Iulius Scaeva
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:43 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Scaevae sal.
>
> Read carefully - I said she displays the "peculiar physical attribute" of Ianus - i.e., she is two-faced. Nothing about the god Himself.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Cato,
> >
> > Are you insulting one of our gods?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > M. Iulius Scaeva
> > Â
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Cato <catoinnyc@>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 12:08:14 AM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
> >
> > Â
> > Cato Maiori sal.
> >
> > Please. You are beating a dead horse - and once again deliberately and demonstrably lying to create an atmosphere of hostility. How very magisterial and in keeping with your supposed Saturnalia festiveness! You should take up Ianus as your personal deity, since you practice his peculiar physical attribute so well.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@ ..> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Piscine;
> > > I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
> > >
> > > Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3 contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
> > >
> > > I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging the Res Publica.
> > >
> > > hehe; sure an how's yourself;-)
> > > optime vale
> > > Maior
> > >
> >
>

 

Yes he is. He does it all the time and wonders why he is surrounded by contempt.

Valete:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 12/22/09, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Salve Cato,
>
> Are you insulting one of our gods?
>
> Vale,
>
> M. Iulius Scaeva
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Cato <catoinnyc@gmail. com>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 12:08:14 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
>
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> Please. You are beating a dead horse - and once again deliberately and
> demonstrably lying to create an atmosphere of hostility. How very
> magisterial and in keeping with your supposed Saturnalia festiveness! You
> should take up Ianus as your personal deity, since you practice his peculiar
> physical attribute so well.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@. ..> wrote:
>>
>> Salve Piscine;
>> I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was
>> great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
>>
>> Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3
>> contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
>>
>> I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging
>> the Res Publica.
>>
>> hehe; sure an how's yourself;-)
>> optime vale
>> Maior
>>
>
>
>

--
Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google. com

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Cato,
>
> I won't argue the difference between dictionary and colloquial definitions.  I'm sure that is clear to most of average intelligence.
>
> I will say, however, that if I had used the word "peculiar", in conjunction with your deity, you would had been the first to cry foul.
>
> I'm saddened and disappointed that you,of all people, would advocate the right to use language that would be found offensive by a particular religious group of Nova Roma citizens; including myself.
>
> Shame.
>
> Vale,
>
> M. Iulius Scaeva
>  
>  
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 5:53:29 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
>
>  
> Cato Scaevae sal.
>
> Peculiar actually means unique or distinctive:
>
> 1. pe·cu·liar
> Pronunciation: \pi-ˈkyü l-yə r\
> Function: adjective
> Etymology: Middle English peculier, from Latin peculiaris of private property, special, from peculium private property,
> Date: 15th century
> 1 : characteristic of only one person, group, or thing: distinctive
> 2 : different from the usual or normal
>
> ... but I see your emphasis. I appreciate your concern but will, of course, use the language I find most appropriate in a situation.
>
> The gods of Rome were called much, much worse on occasion by actual ancient Romans, by the way.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, John Citron <johnnormancitron@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Cato,
> >
> > I did read carefully. The word peculiar is often used in a negative light.
> >
> > You may want to choose your words more carefully when refering to our gods.
> >
> > I myself wouldn't use the word peculiar; maybe unique would have been a better choice as the connotation is more favorable.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > M. Iulius Scaeva
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:43 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Scaevae sal.
> >
> > Read carefully - I said she displays the "peculiar physical attribute" of Ianus - i.e., she is two-faced. Nothing about the god Himself.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Cato,
> > >
> > > Are you insulting one of our gods?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > M. Iulius Scaeva
> > > Â
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: Cato <catoinnyc@>
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 12:08:14 AM
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > >
> > > Please. You are beating a dead horse - and once again deliberately and demonstrably lying to create an atmosphere of hostility. How very magisterial and in keeping with your supposed Saturnalia festiveness! You should take up Ianus as your personal deity, since you practice his peculiar physical attribute so well.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@ ..> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salve Piscine;
> > > > I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
> > > >
> > > > Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3 contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
> > > >
> > > > I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging the Res Publica.
> > > >
> > > > hehe; sure an how's yourself;-)
> > > > optime vale
> > > > Maior
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Maior,
>
> Just shameful isn't it? 
>
> I don't understand why someone who continuallly cries about being slighted for his religious views would think it appropriate to disrespect those of another's.
>
> If this shoe was on the other foot you know exactly how this would be going right now.
>
> Just shameful.
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant!
>
> M. Iulius Scaeva
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: rory12001 <rory12001@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 5:53:22 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
>
>  
> Salve Modiane;
> I've reposted Cato's fun poll from the BA. He insults Juppiter & Juno behind everyone's back and now Janus on the ML.
> Besides ridiculing augury, sortition, our sacra publica, the PM, our religious officials...
> bene vale in pacem Saturni
> Maior
>
> a poll up put up in the BA by Cato:
>
> If Marca Hortensia and Iuppiter O.M. have a smackdown, who would win?
> created August 2, 2009
>
> Iuppiter in 5 rounds
>
> Marca Hortensia would bleat endlessly until Iuppiter just went back -to Iuno
>
> Marca Hortensia in 5 rounds
>
> Marca Hortensia -you know she has got a point, and Iuppiter should really be a
> <ZAP KABOOM!>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Modiano sal.
> >
> > Ah, another one of the frog chorus. Prove it with a single example. Maior claims this constantly, Regulus tried, Piscinus has dipped his toes in that fish pond, but all to no avail - simply because it is a lie.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes he is. He does it all the time and wonders why he is surrounded by contempt.
> > >
> > > Valete:
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/22/09, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@ > wrote:
> > > > Salve Cato,
> > > >
> > > > Are you insulting one of our gods?
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > M. Iulius Scaeva
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > From: Cato <catoinnyc@>
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 12:08:14 AM
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > >
> > > > Please. You are beating a dead horse - and once again deliberately and
> > > > demonstrably lying to create an atmosphere of hostility. How very
> > > > magisterial and in keeping with your supposed Saturnalia festiveness! You
> > > > should take up Ianus as your personal deity, since you practice his peculiar
> > > > physical attribute so well.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@ ..> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Salve Piscine;
> > > >> I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was
> > > >> great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
> > > >>
> > > >> Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3
> > > >> contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
> > > >>
> > > >> I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging
> > > >> the Res Publica.
> > > >>
> > > >> hehe; sure an how's yourself;-)
> > > >> optime vale
> > > >> Maior
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google. com
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete!
>
> I'm here just to say "Io Triumphe!".
>
> Our Saturnalia Party at Saturday was amaaaaaazing! A very nice event with approximately 20-25 people, together, celebrating NOVA ROMA and SATURN!
>
> This is Nova Roma and what Nova Roma is all about!
>
> Recruit people, organize meetings and forget the Main List!
>
> Let it be our motto.
>
> IO SATURNALIA!
>
> Cn. Lentulus
>

> Salve Maior,
>
> Just shameful isn't it? 
>
> I don't understand why someone who continuallly cries about being slighted for his religious views would think it appropriate to disrespect those of another's.
>
> If this shoe was on the other foot you know exactly how this would be going right now.
>
> Just shameful.
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant!
>
> M. Iulius Scaeva
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: rory12001 <rory12001@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 5:53:22 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
>
>  
> Salve Modiane;
> I've reposted Cato's fun poll from the BA. He insults Juppiter & Juno behind everyone's back and now Janus on the ML.
> Besides ridiculing augury, sortition, our sacra publica, the PM, our religious officials...
> bene vale in pacem Saturni
> Maior
>
> a poll up put up in the BA by Cato:
>
> If Marca Hortensia and Iuppiter O.M. have a smackdown, who would win?
> created August 2, 2009
>
> Iuppiter in 5 rounds
>
> Marca Hortensia would bleat endlessly until Iuppiter just went back -to Iuno
>
> Marca Hortensia in 5 rounds
>
> Marca Hortensia -you know she has got a point, and Iuppiter should really be a
> <ZAP KABOOM!>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Modiano sal.
> >
> > Ah, another one of the frog chorus. Prove it with a single example. Maior claims this constantly, Regulus tried, Piscinus has dipped his toes in that fish pond, but all to no avail - simply because it is a lie.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes he is. He does it all the time and wonders why he is surrounded by contempt.
> > >
> > > Valete:
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/22/09, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@ > wrote:
> > > > Salve Cato,
> > > >
> > > > Are you insulting one of our gods?
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > M. Iulius Scaeva
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > From: Cato <catoinnyc@>
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 12:08:14 AM
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > >
> > > > Please. You are beating a dead horse - and once again deliberately and
> > > > demonstrably lying to create an atmosphere of hostility. How very
> > > > magisterial and in keeping with your supposed Saturnalia festiveness! You
> > > > should take up Ianus as your personal deity, since you practice his peculiar
> > > > physical attribute so well.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@ ..> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Salve Piscine;
> > > >> I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was
> > > >> great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
> > > >>
> > > >> Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3
> > > >> contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
> > > >>
> > > >> I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging
> > > >> the Res Publica.
> > > >>
> > > >> hehe; sure an how's yourself;-)
> > > >> optime vale
> > > >> Maior
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google. com
> > >
> >
>

> I just popped into the forum and see the pot calling the kettle black. Some things never change, alas.

> Do you understand it now or have I confused even more?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Modiane;
> I've reposted Cato's fun poll from the BA. He insults Juppiter & Juno behind everyone's back and now Janus on the ML.
> Besides ridiculing augury, sortition, our sacra publica, the PM, our religious officials...
> bene vale in pacem Saturni
> Maior
>
> a poll up put up in the BA by Cato:
>
> If Marca Hortensia and Iuppiter O.M. have a smackdown, who would win?
> created August 2, 2009
>
> Iuppiter in 5 rounds
>
> Marca Hortensia would bleat endlessly until Iuppiter just went back -to Iuno
>
> Marca Hortensia in 5 rounds
>
> Marca Hortensia -you know she has got a point, and Iuppiter should really be a
> <ZAP KABOOM!>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Modiano sal.
> >
> > Ah, another one of the frog chorus. Prove it with a single example. Maior claims this constantly, Regulus tried, Piscinus has dipped his toes in that fish pond, but all to no avail - simply because it is a lie.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes he is. He does it all the time and wonders why he is surrounded by contempt.
> > >
> > > Valete:
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/22/09, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@> wrote:
> > > > Salve Cato,
> > > >
> > > > Are you insulting one of our gods?
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > M. Iulius Scaeva
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Cato <catoinnyc@>
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 12:08:14 AM
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > >
> > > > Please. You are beating a dead horse - and once again deliberately and
> > > > demonstrably lying to create an atmosphere of hostility. How very
> > > > magisterial and in keeping with your supposed Saturnalia festiveness! You
> > > > should take up Ianus as your personal deity, since you practice his peculiar
> > > > physical attribute so well.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@ ..> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Salve Piscine;
> > > >> I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was
> > > >> great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
> > > >>
> > > >> Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3
> > > >> contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
> > > >>
> > > >> I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging
> > > >> the Res Publica.
> > > >>
> > > >> hehe; sure an how's yourself;-)
> > > >> optime vale
> > > >> Maior
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> > >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
> <<--- On Tue, 12/22/09, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> Cato Scaevae sal.
>
> I'm disappointed that from a rational, simple conversation you have suddenly turned to using religion as a weapon, as Maior and Piscinus do. You seem almost eager to take offense, which is unfortuante. I would ask that you remember that the comment was not about Ianus..>>
>  
>  
> Ah, but it was. You said:
>  
> "You should take up Ianus as your personal deity, since you practice his peculiar physical attribute so well".
>  
>  
> In your attempt to put down Maior, you did insult Ianus. His peculiar physical attribute? He has two faces, one to see the past and one to see the future, but that is not the same thing as being "two-faced", which means to be deceitful or hypocritical. You tell Maior to take up Ianus as her deity because you think she is "two-faced" or deceitful and/or hypocritical, but at the same you imply the same thing about Ianus, that He is "two-faced", i.e. deceitful and/or hypocritical. Are you now going to tell us that you were complimenting Maior on her ability to see both past and future? Somehow, we all doubt that. 
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Scaeva;
> I can assure you in January when Laeca and I are praetrices this kind of thing won't happen, with the gods being insulted on the ML.
>
> In fact I was just discussing with Agricola the summer's Ludi Apollinares, as they are in the charge of the praetores, and I'd love to have Nova Romans celebrate & offer to Apollo by their creations.
>
> as for Cato:
> Nullus deorum metus , nullus iusiurandum, nulla religio ei fuit.
> bene vale in pacem Saturni
> Maior
>
>
>
> ---
> > Salve Maior,
> >
> > Just shameful isn't it? 
> >
> > I don't understand why someone who continuallly cries about being slighted for his religious views would think it appropriate to disrespect those of another's.
> >
> > If this shoe was on the other foot you know exactly how this would be going right now.
> >
> > Just shameful.
> >
> > Di te incolumem custodiant!
> >
> > M. Iulius Scaeva
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: rory12001 <rory12001@>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 5:53:22 PM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
> >
> >  
> > Salve Modiane;
> > I've reposted Cato's fun poll from the BA. He insults Juppiter & Juno behind everyone's back and now Janus on the ML.
> > Besides ridiculing augury, sortition, our sacra publica, the PM, our religious officials...
> > bene vale in pacem Saturni
> > Maior
> >
> > a poll up put up in the BA by Cato:
> >
> > If Marca Hortensia and Iuppiter O.M. have a smackdown, who would win?
> > created August 2, 2009
> >
> > Iuppiter in 5 rounds
> >
> > Marca Hortensia would bleat endlessly until Iuppiter just went back -to Iuno
> >
> > Marca Hortensia in 5 rounds
> >
> > Marca Hortensia -you know she has got a point, and Iuppiter should really be a
> > <ZAP KABOOM!>
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@ ..> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cato Modiano sal.
> > >
> > > Ah, another one of the frog chorus. Prove it with a single example. Maior claims this constantly, Regulus tried, Piscinus has dipped his toes in that fish pond, but all to no avail - simply because it is a lie.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes he is. He does it all the time and wonders why he is surrounded by contempt.
> > > >
> > > > Valete:
> > > >
> > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12/22/09, Marcus Iulius Scaeva <johnnormancitron@ > wrote:
> > > > > Salve Cato,
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you insulting one of our gods?
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > M. Iulius Scaeva
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > > From: Cato <catoinnyc@>
> > > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > > Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 12:08:14 AM
> > > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Last report of the Senate session.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please. You are beating a dead horse - and once again deliberately and
> > > > > demonstrably lying to create an atmosphere of hostility. How very
> > > > > magisterial and in keeping with your supposed Saturnalia festiveness! You
> > > > > should take up Ianus as your personal deity, since you practice his peculiar
> > > > > physical attribute so well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@ ..> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Salve Piscine;
> > > > >> I exchanged letters with M. Marcius Rex when I was in Ireland, he was
> > > > >> great and then never saw him again in Nova Roma. What a terrible shame!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sulla, Maximus, and now Cato attacking our erudite cives. These 3
> > > > >> contribute absolutely nothing and drive our promising cives away.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I dont know what they are doing here beyond acting out they are damaging
> > > > >> the Res Publica.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> hehe; sure an how's yourself;-)
> > > > >> optime vale
> > > > >> Maior
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google. com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

On 12/23/09, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Well, fellow citizens, enough of the useless, endless merry-go-round of
> antagonism that rises on any occasion in which someone disagrees with those
> who cling tight to their pointy hats and "my god is better than your god"
> sticks. In my humble opinion, the gods of Rome don't need anyone to poke
> anyone else to make Them feel more important or real. They can take care of
> Themselves quite nicely if They feel it necessary - and They have done so
> repeatedly according to Their histories -, and attempts to "defend" Them are
> feeble at best, ridiculous at middle, and dangerously presumptuous at worst.
>
> Now, to quote from another citizen - one of our current magistrates, even -
> writing on another List, regarding the traditions of this season:
>
> "That turning point of time, the hinge where time and eternity meet, is
> found in each of us. It is the hidden place, the original point,
> where the flame of our being bursts forth from the dark of the void,
> from the womb of mystery. As Angelus Silesius, a 17th century German
> poet-mystic, once wrote, if Christ is born in Bethlehem a thousand
> times, but not in us, then we remain unchanged.
>
> Christmas is a cosmic event – the Light which lightens every person,
> which was in the beginning with God and through which all the worlds
> were made, now coming into the world in a new and renewing way.
> Christmas is also a historical/mythic event – the birth of Jesus from
> Mary, at a particular time and place. And Christmas is an ever living
> mystery in each of us, as the inner pattern of the cosmic, historical,
> and mythic events unfolds, hopefully, again and again.
>
> The redemption of the world, the healing of the earth and her creatures, the
> future of humanity, is – at least potentially - being birthed in us. We may
> or may not feel like a young, unknown, and somewhat frightened woman, giving
> birth to a baby in a cave used to house livestock. And yet what we are
> called to bring to birth, even in the midst of our messy and
> not-so-promising, all-too-human circumstances, is the very force that
> creates and remakes the cosmos."
>
> So as the wheel of the world turns slowly again towards the light, I rejoice
> in our presence here - all of us, no matter how deeply and fundamentally I
> may disagree with anyone - and wish everyone of you a wonderful, healthy,
> and blessed - by whatever god or gods you measure that term - ending of the
> year.
>
> Fair warning - at some point over the next two days I am most likely going
> to be so impious as to wish our citizens a very Merry Christmas. I will
> make sure that I title my post clearly so that tender ears and eyes will be
> spared the agony of having to be subjected to such a hideous affront to
> their sensibilities :)
>
> Optime valete in expectio diem natalem Christi!
>
> Cato
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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Well, fellow citizens, enough of the useless, endless merry-go-round of antagonism that rises on any occasion in which someone disagrees with those who cling tight to their pointy hats and "my god is better than your god" sticks. In my humble opinion, the gods of Rome don't need anyone to poke anyone else to make Them feel more important or real. They can take care of Themselves quite nicely if They feel it necessary - and They have done so repeatedly according to Their histories -, and attempts to "defend" Them are feeble at best, ridiculous at middle, and dangerously presumptuous at worst.

Now, to quote from another citizen - one of our current magistrates, even - writing on another List, regarding the traditions of this season:

"That turning point of time, the hinge where time and eternity meet, is found in each of us. It is the hidden place, the original point,
where the flame of our being bursts forth from the dark of the void,
from the womb of mystery. As Angelus Silesius, a 17th century German
poet-mystic, once wrote, if Christ is born in Bethlehem a thousand
times, but not in us, then we remain unchanged.

Christmas is a cosmic event – the Light which lightens every person,
which was in the beginning with God and through which all the worlds
were made, now coming into the world in a new and renewing way.
Christmas is also a historical/mythic event – the birth of Jesus from
Mary, at a particular time and place. And Christmas is an ever living
mystery in each of us, as the inner pattern of the cosmic, historical,
and mythic events unfolds, hopefully, again and again.

The redemption of the world, the healing of the earth and her creatures, the future of humanity, is – at least potentially - being birthed in us. We may or may not feel like a young, unknown, and somewhat frightened woman, giving birth to a baby in a cave used to house livestock. And yet what we are called to bring to birth, even in the midst of our messy and not-so-promising, all-too-human circumstances, is the very force that creates and remakes the cosmos."

So as the wheel of the world turns slowly again towards the light, I rejoice in our presence here - all of us, no matter how deeply and fundamentally I may disagree with anyone - and wish everyone of you a wonderful, healthy, and blessed - by whatever god or gods you measure that term - ending of the year.

Fair warning - at some point over the next two days I am most likely going to be so impious as to wish our citizens a very Merry Christmas. I will make sure that I title my post clearly so that tender ears and eyes will be spared the agony of having to be subjected to such a hideous affront to their sensibilities :)

Optime valete in expectio diem natalem Christi!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Well, fellow citizens, enough of the useless, endless merry-go-round of antagonism that rises on any occasion in which someone disagrees with those who cling tight to their pointy hats and "my god is better than your god" sticks. In my humble opinion, the gods of Rome don't need anyone to poke anyone else to make Them feel more important or real. They can take care of Themselves quite nicely if They feel it necessary - and They have done so repeatedly according to Their histories -, and attempts to "defend" Them are feeble at best, ridiculous at middle, and dangerously presumptuous at worst.
>
> Now, to quote from another citizen - one of our current magistrates, even - writing on another List, regarding the traditions of this season:
>
> "That turning point of time, the hinge where time and eternity meet, is found in each of us. It is the hidden place, the original point,
> where the flame of our being bursts forth from the dark of the void,
> from the womb of mystery. As Angelus Silesius, a 17th century German
> poet-mystic, once wrote, if Christ is born in Bethlehem a thousand
> times, but not in us, then we remain unchanged.
>
> Christmas is a cosmic event – the Light which lightens every person,
> which was in the beginning with God and through which all the worlds
> were made, now coming into the world in a new and renewing way.
> Christmas is also a historical/mythic event – the birth of Jesus from
> Mary, at a particular time and place. And Christmas is an ever living
> mystery in each of us, as the inner pattern of the cosmic, historical,
> and mythic events unfolds, hopefully, again and again.
>
> The redemption of the world, the healing of the earth and her creatures, the future of humanity, is – at least potentially - being birthed in us. We may or may not feel like a young, unknown, and somewhat frightened woman, giving birth to a baby in a cave used to house livestock. And yet what we are called to bring to birth, even in the midst of our messy and not-so-promising, all-too-human circumstances, is the very force that creates and remakes the cosmos."
>
> So as the wheel of the world turns slowly again towards the light, I rejoice in our presence here - all of us, no matter how deeply and fundamentally I may disagree with anyone - and wish everyone of you a wonderful, healthy, and blessed - by whatever god or gods you measure that term - ending of the year.
>
> Fair warning - at some point over the next two days I am most likely going to be so impious as to wish our citizens a very Merry Christmas. I will make sure that I title my post clearly so that tender ears and eyes will be spared the agony of having to be subjected to such a hideous affront to their sensibilities :)
>
> Optime valete in expectio diem natalem Christi!
>
> Cato
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVE ET SALVETE!
>
> Merry Christmas!
>
> VALETE,
> T. Iulius Sabinus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> >
> > Well, fellow citizens, enough of the useless, endless merry-go-round of antagonism that rises on any occasion in which someone disagrees with those who cling tight to their pointy hats and "my god is better than your god" sticks. In my humble opinion, the gods of Rome don't need anyone to poke anyone else to make Them feel more important or real. They can take care of Themselves quite nicely if They feel it necessary - and They have done so repeatedly according to Their histories -, and attempts to "defend" Them are feeble at best, ridiculous at middle, and dangerously presumptuous at worst.
> >
> > Now, to quote from another citizen - one of our current magistrates, even - writing on another List, regarding the traditions of this season:
> >
> > "That turning point of time, the hinge where time and eternity meet, is found in each of us. It is the hidden place, the original point,
> > where the flame of our being bursts forth from the dark of the void,
> > from the womb of mystery. As Angelus Silesius, a 17th century German
> > poet-mystic, once wrote, if Christ is born in Bethlehem a thousand
> > times, but not in us, then we remain unchanged.
> >
> > Christmas is a cosmic event – the Light which lightens every person,
> > which was in the beginning with God and through which all the worlds
> > were made, now coming into the world in a new and renewing way.
> > Christmas is also a historical/mythic event – the birth of Jesus from
> > Mary, at a particular time and place. And Christmas is an ever living
> > mystery in each of us, as the inner pattern of the cosmic, historical,
> > and mythic events unfolds, hopefully, again and again.
> >
> > The redemption of the world, the healing of the earth and her creatures, the future of humanity, is – at least potentially - being birthed in us. We may or may not feel like a young, unknown, and somewhat frightened woman, giving birth to a baby in a cave used to house livestock. And yet what we are called to bring to birth, even in the midst of our messy and not-so-promising, all-too-human circumstances, is the very force that creates and remakes the cosmos."
> >
> > So as the wheel of the world turns slowly again towards the light, I rejoice in our presence here - all of us, no matter how deeply and fundamentally I may disagree with anyone - and wish everyone of you a wonderful, healthy, and blessed - by whatever god or gods you measure that term - ending of the year.
> >
> > Fair warning - at some point over the next two days I am most likely going to be so impious as to wish our citizens a very Merry Christmas. I will make sure that I title my post clearly so that tender ears and eyes will be spared the agony of having to be subjected to such a hideous affront to their sensibilities :)
> >
> > Optime valete in expectio diem natalem Christi!
> >
> > Cato
> >
>

> This will be a good Christmas and New Year's for my mom, sibs, nieces
> and nephews!
>
> It will be a good (Yule) Saturnalia for me.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes..
>
> Some of you have seen this news...my dad has terminal lung cancer.
>
> He is a fighter.
>
> Given just 3 - 6 months to live (as of mid-December), he is home,
> moving about without cane or walker (though needing supplemental
> oxygen, still), eating his favorite foods...
>
> Look on this my fellow Cives...
>
> My dad, Stewart, is a fighter, doing much better than we dared to hope.
>
> This will be a good Christmas and New Year's for my mom, sibs, nieces
> and nephews!
>
> It will be a good (Yule) Saturnalia for me.
>
> ===========================
> In amicitia et fide
> Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis circa Kalends Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
>

--- On Wed, 12/23/09, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

> From: David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] "Tis The Season
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 1:50 PM
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni
> salutem dicit
>
> Merry Christmas to you too!
>
> Vale:
>
> Modianus
>
>
>
> On 12/23/09, Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> wrote:
> > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> >
> > Well, fellow citizens, enough of the useless, endless
> merry-go-round of
> > antagonism that rises on any occasion in which someone
> disagrees with those
> > who cling tight to their pointy hats and "my god is
> better than your god"
> > sticks.  In my humble opinion, the gods of Rome
> don't need anyone to poke
> > anyone else to make Them feel more important or
> real.  They can take care of
> > Themselves quite nicely if They feel it necessary -
> and They have done so
> > repeatedly according to Their histories -, and
> attempts to "defend" Them are
> > feeble at best, ridiculous at middle, and dangerously
> presumptuous at worst.
> >
> > Now, to quote from another citizen - one of our
> current magistrates, even -
> > writing on another List, regarding the traditions of
> this season:
> >
> > "That turning point of time, the hinge where time and
> eternity meet, is
> > found in each of us. It is the hidden place, the
> original point,
> > where the flame of our being bursts forth from the
> dark of the void,
> > from the womb of mystery. As Angelus Silesius, a 17th
> century German
> > poet-mystic, once wrote, if Christ is born in
> Bethlehem a thousand
> > times, but not in us, then we remain unchanged.
> >
> > Christmas is a cosmic event – the Light which
> lightens every person,
> > which was in the beginning with God and through which
> all the worlds
> > were made, now coming into the world in a new and
> renewing way.
> > Christmas is also a historical/mythic event – the
> birth of Jesus from
> > Mary, at a particular time and place. And Christmas is
> an ever living
> > mystery in each of us, as the inner pattern of the
> cosmic, historical,
> > and mythic events unfolds, hopefully, again and
> again.
> >
> > The redemption of the world, the healing of the earth
> and her creatures, the
> > future of humanity, is – at least potentially -
> being birthed in us. We may
> > or may not feel like a young, unknown, and somewhat
> frightened woman, giving
> > birth to a baby in a cave used to house livestock. And
> yet what we are
> > called to bring to birth, even in the midst of our
> messy and
> > not-so-promising, all-too-human circumstances, is the
> very force that
> > creates and remakes the cosmos."
> >
> > So as the wheel of the world turns slowly again
> towards the light, I rejoice
> > in our presence here - all of us, no matter how deeply
> and fundamentally I
> > may disagree with anyone - and wish everyone of you a
> wonderful, healthy,
> > and blessed - by whatever god or gods you measure that
> term - ending of the
> > year.
> >
> > Fair warning - at some point over the next two days I
> am most likely going
> > to be so impious as to wish our citizens a very Merry
> Christmas.  I will
> > make sure that I title my post clearly so that tender
> ears and eyes will be
> > spared the agony of having to be subjected to such a
> hideous affront to
> > their sensibilities  :)
> >
> > Optime valete in expectio diem natalem Christi!
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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