Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Jan 1-20, 2010

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72907 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Bonum faustum félícem annum novum!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72908 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Faustum nouom annum!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72909 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: New Year's Sacrifice to Ianus Pater for the Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72910 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Your ritual for the New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72911 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: KALENDAE IANUARIAE: ANNUM NOVUM BONUM FAUSTUM FELICEM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72912 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Sacrifice for the Millennial Jubilee Years of the 2000th Anniversary
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72913 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: New year auspices, oath and sacrificium annuae novae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72914 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Re: My Thanks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72916 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Edictum XIV Lentuli leg. pr. pr. Pannoniae de proquaestrice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72917 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Oath of office - Consul maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72918 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Short Latin lesson
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72919 From: Equestria Iunia Laeca Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Praetrix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72920 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: The oath of Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72922 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Re: Oath of Office - Praetrix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72923 From: Deandrea Boyle Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Thank You Former Praetors!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72924 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: Oath of Office MMDCCLXIII Titus Flavius Aquila, Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72925 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: a. d. IV Nonas Ianuarias: Dies Ater; Hours of the Day and Night
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72926 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: Oath of office - Censor.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72927 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72928 From: equitius_marinus Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: Re: Thank You Former Praetors!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72929 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: P Ullerius, Oath as Rogator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72930 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: Augurium Magistratum anno AUC MMDCCLXIII
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72931 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: Sacrificium Annuae Sacrae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72932 From: marcus.lucretius Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: New magistrates
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72933 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: a. d. III Nonas Ianuarias: Pax Augustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72934 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Re: Oath of Office MMDCCLXIII Titus Flavius Aquila, Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72935 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Latin phrase for the day
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72936 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Oath of Office (english text)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72937 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE - PLEBEIAN TRIBUNE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72938 From: iulia_arria Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Oath of office - quaestrix.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72939 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Mortars /Villa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72940 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Oath of Office, latin text
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72941 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Oath of office - custos
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72942 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-04
Subject: Re: New magistrates
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72943 From: Vladimir Date: 2010-01-04
Subject: Oath of office - quaestor.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72944 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-04
Subject: a. d. III Nonas Ianuarias: Compitalia; Battle of Ruspina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72945 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2010-01-04
Subject: Oath of office, Diribitor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72946 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-04
Subject: Welcome to the Blog!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72947 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-01-04
Subject: Re: OATH OF OFFICE - PLEBEIAN TRIBUNE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72948 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Compitalia Decretum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72949 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Attention graphic designers, NR needs your help!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72950 From: Quinta Fabia Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Oath of Quinta Fabia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72951 From: Quinta Fabia Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Fwd: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72952 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: NONAE IANUARIAE: VICA POTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72953 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Nonae Ianuariae: Sacrum Iunonis Covellae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72954 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Sacrum Vicae Potae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72955 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Re: new project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72956 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Re: Fwd: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72957 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Re: new project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72958 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Latiin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72959 From: fauxrari Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Re: Sacrum Vicae Potae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72960 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: Latiin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72961 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: new project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72962 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: a. d. VIII Eidus Ianuariae: The Epiphany Kore and Her virgin birth o
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72963 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Oath of office: Aedilis Curulis Minor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72964 From: aerdensrw Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: a. d. VIII Eidus Ianuariae: Kore and Her virgin birth of AION
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72965 From: Meg Godbout Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: new project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72967 From: T. Fl. Severus Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Merry Christmas to orthodox Christians!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72968 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: new project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72969 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: new project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72970 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: New Blog
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72971 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: new project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72972 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] New Blog
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72974 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: Latin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72975 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: Re: Latin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72976 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: Re: Latin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72977 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: Re: Latin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72978 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: a. d. VII Eidus Ianuarias: The Feriale Cumanum of Augustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72979 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: Re: Latin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72980 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: Re: New Blog
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72981 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: Ludi Apollinares
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72982 From: C. Cocceius Spinula Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: NRLusitania - New Yahoo Group for Regio Lusitania Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72983 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-08
Subject: a. d. VI Eidus Ianuarias: Capitolium Statues of the Seven Kings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72984 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-09
Subject: a. d. V Eidus Ianuariae: AGONIUM, Janus, and Priapus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72985 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-01-09
Subject: EDICTUM CENSORIUM I DE OFFICIO CENSORIO.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72986 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-01-10
Subject: Re: EDICTUM CENSORIUM I DE OFFICIO CENSORIO.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72987 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-10
Subject: a. d. IIII Eidus Ianuarias: Alea iacta est.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72988 From: cassius622 Date: 2010-01-10
Subject: Nova Roma Macellum List
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72989 From: Marcia Regina Date: 2010-01-10
Subject: Re: EDICTUM CENSORIUM I DE OFFICIO CENSORIO.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72990 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2010-01-10
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Macellum / Macellum List
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72991 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-01-10
Subject: Macellum Lists - public and private ones
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72992 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-11
Subject: a. d. III Eidus Ianuarias: CARMENTALIA; and Iuturnalia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72993 From: William Date: 2010-01-11
Subject: Re: Macellum Lists - public and private ones
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72994 From: Emilia Curia Finnica Date: 2010-01-11
Subject: Emilia Curia Finnica, oath of office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72995 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-11
Subject: The Carmentalia a.d. III Id. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72996 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-11
Subject: Re: Macellum Lists - public and private ones
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72997 From: William Date: 2010-01-12
Subject: Re: Macellum Lists - public and private ones
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72998 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-12
Subject: Pridie Eidus Ianuarias: The Pompa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72999 From: Marcia Regina Date: 2010-01-12
Subject: Re: Macellum Lists - public and private ones
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73000 From: freddyquerales Date: 2010-01-12
Subject: Legiones Romanas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73001 From: freddyquerales Date: 2010-01-12
Subject: Re: Prueba
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73003 From: Nero Date: 2010-01-12
Subject: I have returned!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73004 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-13
Subject: EIDUS IANUARIAE: Death of Gaius Marius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73005 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-14
Subject: a. d. XIX Kalendas Februarias: Birth of Marcus Antonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73006 From: mcorvvs Date: 2010-01-14
Subject: Re: Ides ritual performed by Sacerdos Iovis M.Octavius Corvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73007 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-15
Subject: a. d. XVIII Kalendas Februarias: CARMENTALIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73008 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2010-01-15
Subject: AED. CUR. 2763 AUC responsibilities and organisation EDICTUM 2063-01
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73009 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2010-01-15
Subject: Curule Aediles EDICTUM 2063-02 Appointment of Scribae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73010 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-16
Subject: 2nd Carmentalia a.d. XVIII Kal. Februarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73011 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-16
Subject: a. d. XVII Kalendas Februarias: Concordia Augusta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73012 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-01-16
Subject: Intent to convene the Senate
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73013 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-17
Subject: a. d. XVI Kalendas Februarias: Ara Numinis Augusti
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73014 From: Robert Date: 2010-01-17
Subject: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73015 From: Riku Demyx Date: 2010-01-17
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73016 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73017 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: a. d. XV Kalendas Februarias: Juno Lucina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73018 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: a. d. XV Kalendas Februarias: Juno Lucina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73019 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: a.d XV Kal. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73020 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73021 From: Riku Demyx Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73022 From: Deandrea Boyle Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Edictum Praetricum de Creatione Scribarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73023 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73024 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73025 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73026 From: marcus.lucretius Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: DO NOT FEED THE TROLL. Was: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73027 From: Robert Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Was: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73028 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: "---jump to religous conclusions---"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73029 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73030 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Edictum Praetricum de Creatione Scribarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73031 From: Deandrea Boyle Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Edictum Praetricum de Creatione Scribarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73032 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: a. d. XIV Kalendas Februarias: Sulpicia, the Most Chaste Matron
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73033 From: lynn rogers Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: "---jump to religous conclusions---"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73034 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: "---jump to religous conclusions---"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73035 From: C. Cocceius Spinula Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73036 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73037 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73038 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73039 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Please ignore Sulla and Cato [Was: Interesting development]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73040 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73041 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Please ignore Sulla and Cato [Was: Interesting development]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73042 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Saturnalia 2009 Revisited
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73043 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Please ignore Sulla and Cato [Was: Interesting development]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73044 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73045 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73046 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73047 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: "---jump to religous conclusions---"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73048 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: "---jump to religous conclusions---"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73049 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73050 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73051 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73052 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Please ignore Sulla and Cato [Was: Interesting development]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73053 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73054 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73055 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: de interpellantium litigiosorum quiritium moribus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73056 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73057 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73058 From: Riku Demyx Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73059 From: Riku Demyx Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: de interpellantium litigiosorum quiritium moribus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73060 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: de interpellantium litigiosorum quiritium moribus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73061 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73062 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73063 From: Riku Demyx Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73064 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73065 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73066 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73067 From: Robert Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73068 From: Robert Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73069 From: q_caecilius Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73070 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73071 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73072 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73073 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: a. d. XIII Kalendas Februarias: Death of Clodius, Caesar captures Co
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73074 From: q_caecilius Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73075 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73076 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73077 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Call to order of the Senate - Jan. 2763 auc. session
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73078 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Call to order of the Senate - Jan. 2763 auc. session
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73079 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73080 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Call to order of the Senate - Jan. 2763 auc. session
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73081 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Call to order of the Senate - Jan. 2763 auc. session
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73082 From: Stephen Roberts Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Regarding this Interesting Development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73083 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73084 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Regarding this Interesting Development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73085 From: aerdensrw Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Regarding this Interesting Development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73086 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Regarding this Interesting Development
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73087 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: NR is not Wonderland was [Regarding this Interesting Development



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72907 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Bonum faustum félícem annum novum!
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis
S.P.D.

Bonum faustum félícem annum novum omnibus bonae voluntatis exopto!
Bonne année!

Valéte!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72908 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Faustum nouom annum!
Salvete Quirites,

Sit omnibus vobis hic annus felix faustusque!

"At cur læta tuis dicuntur verba Kalendis
Et damus alternas accipimusque preces?"
Tum deus incumbens baculo quem dextra gerebat,
"Omina principiis", inquit, "inesse solent.
Ad primam vocem timidas advertitis aures
Et visam primum consulit augur avem.
Templa patent auresque deum nec lingua caducas
Concipit ulla preces dictaque pondus habent".
(Ovidius, Fasti: I; 175-182)

So because words have weight and what matters is that we say first:
"Iane biceps, te oro libato ture precorque:
Dexter ades Romae mi populoque Novae."

Valete omnes in pace deorum.

C. Petronius Dexter



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72909 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: New Year's Sacrifice to Ianus Pater for the Republic
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus pontifex consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis et omnibus Quiritibus s. p. d.

+ + + BONUM FAUSTUM FELICEM FORTUNATUM ANNUM NOVUM MMDCCLXIII + + +

Happy, prosperous, propitious and blessed New Year! The Kalends of Januray, the holiday of Father Ianus, is celebrated today. The celebration of the Beginning of the Beginnings. May Father Ianus bless you all.

You will find a ritual to Father Ianus I as pontifex conducted before my home altar. In my next message you will find a shorter version, too, for every Nova Roman citizen: you can use that prayer at your lararium during the following days.

FESTIVE RITUALS AND SACRIFICES

I send you two rituals, but here below you'll find one ritual. One of the two rituals is that I've conducted before my home altar as a pontifex; you, too, can use this one if you are another pontifex or flamen or higher magistrate. But I've created another, shorter and simpler one, for ordinary citizens of Nova Roma. I wish as many of you as possible use that in your regular daily lararium prayers in January. That other one was posted yesterday.

SACRIFICE TO FATHER IANUS FOR THE KALENDS OF JANUARY, BEGINNING OF 2763 AUC, THE CONSULATE OF P. MEMMIUS AND K. BUTEO

Favete linguis!

(Beginning of the sacrifice.)

PRAEFATIO

Iane pater, deus novi initii,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitius
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

Iane pater, deus novi initii,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!

(Libation of wine is made.)

PRECATIO

Iane pater, deus novi initii,
custos futuri et praeteriti temporis sanctissime,
his Kalendis Ianuariis anni novi nunc incepti
te precor, veneror, detestorque quaesoque:
uti laetitiam fortunamque,
omnes eventus bonos fautosque,
fortunatos felicissimosque,
pacem concordiamque constantem
societati Novae Romae tribuas;
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
omnibusque inceptibus conatibusque Populi Novi Romani Quiritium faveas,
utique sies volens propitius Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
consulibus novis P. Memmio Albucio et K. Fabio Buteoni Quintiliano,
praetoribus novis Equestriae Iuniae Laecae et M. Hortensiae Maiori,
omnibus magistratibus et senatui et collegio pontificum,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

SACRIFICIUM

Quarum rerum ergo macte
hoc libo libando,
hoc vino libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitius
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
consulibus novis P. Memmio Albucio et K. Fabio Buteoni Quintiliano,
praetoribus novis Equestriae Iuniae Laecae et M. Hortensiae Maiori,
omnibus magistratibus et senatui et collegio pontificum,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Libum is sacrificed, libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)

REDDITIO

"Iane pater, deus novi initii,
uti te ture commovendo
et vino libando,
et libo libando,
bonas preces precatus sum,
earundem rerum ergo
macte vino inferio esto!

(Libation of wine is made)

Ilicet!

(End of the sacrifice.)

PIACULUM

Iane,
Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicuit,
hoc vino inferio
veniam peto
et vitium meum expio.

(Libation of wine is made.)

+ + + BONUM FAUSTUM FELICEM FORTUNATUM ANNUM NOVUM MMDCCLXIII + + +

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
P O N T I F E X
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
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Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72910 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Your ritual for the New Year
Cn. Lentulus pontifex amicis et Quiritibus sal.

Bonum felicem faustum fortunatum annum novum MMDCCLXIII!

I wish all Nova Romans a very happy and propitious and blessed New Year, the 2763rd year of the City!

You will find your ritual to Father Ianus, and to other gods you want to invoke, in this message. It is written for every Nova Roman citizen: you can use this prayer at your lararium on the 1st of January and during the days before the Ides of January, for praying a happy, successful and propitious New Year of your family and Nova Roma.

This prayer here is a short and simple one, for ordinary citizens of Nova Roma. I wish as many of you as possible use this in your prayers tomorrow, and on the first days of January.

After each Latin section there is an English translation. Please feel free to correct publicly my English, and then we will find together solutions to have a religious and sacral Roman English text.

Roman prayers were generally rhythmical, composed as verse of the rhythm of thoughts, repetitions, alliterations, the number of words and accents.

This is how my prayers are composed, and I tried to make the English one so that it recall the Latin verses.

USING THE NEW YEAR PRAYER

To use this prayer, you might consult the following articles about rites on our website:

http://novaroma. org/nr/Guide_ to_Sacrifice
http://novaroma. org/nr/Adoratio
http://novaroma. org/nr/Daily_ Rituals_(Nova_Roma)

After the words for Ianus, there is "blank text" for other deities you choose to worship. Please fill the empty place with the name of the deity you want, and fix the word "propitius" (male) or "propitia" (female) according to the gender of the deity you invoke. It is STRONGLY recommended to invoke your patron deities and those deities you especially need in the New Year. Each of them must have a new invocation for each section of the entire prayer. I suggest the following gods and goddesses:

- Concordia
- Iuppiter Optimus Maximus (in vocative: Optime Maxime)
- Fortuna

YOUR TRANSLATED NEW YEAR RITUAL

(After your regular rites at your lararium, say:...)

PRAEFATIO - PREFACE TO THE PRAYER

"Iane pater, deus novi initii,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sis volens propitius
Novis Romanis, amicis meis,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

Father Ianus, God of the New Beginning,
by offering you this incense
I pray good prayers so
that you be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Romans, to my friends,
to me, to my household and to my family.

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

"__________( name of another deity in vocative),
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sis volens propitius/propitia
Novis Romanis, amicis meis,
mihi, domo, familiae!!"

____________ (name of another deity),
by offering you this incense
I pray good prayers so
that you be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Romans, to my friends,
to me, to my household and to my family.

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

"Iane pater, deus novi initii,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!"

Father Ianus, God of the New Beginning,
as by offering incense
I have prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason
be thou blessed by this wine.

(Libation of wine is made.)

"__________( name of another deity in vocative),
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!"

____________ (name of another deity),
as by offering incense
I have prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason
be thou blessed by this wine.

(Libation of wine is made.)

PRECATIO - THE PRAYER

"Iane pater, deus novi initii,
custos futuri et praeteriti temporis sanctissime,
his Kalendis Ianuariis anni novi nunc incepti
te precor, quaesoque:
uti laetitiam fortunamque,
omnes eventus bonos fautosque,
fortunatos felicissimosque,
pacem concordiamque
societati Novae Romae
familiaeque meae tribuas;
utique sis volens propitius
Novis Romanis, amicis meis,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

Father Ianus, God of the New Beginning,
Most Sacred Guardian of the future and past,
on this first day of the New Year, Kalends of January,
I pray and ask you so
that you give gladness and fortune,
a good and prosperous,
successful and most happy progress of events,
peace and concord
to the society of Nova Roma
and to my own family;
and that you be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Romans, to my friends,
to me, to my household and to my family.

SACRIFICIUM - THE SACRIFICE

"Cuius rei ergo macte
hoc vino libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitius
Novis Romanis, amicis meis,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

For this reason, thou blessed
by offering this wine,
by offering this incense
be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Romans, to my friends,
to me, to my household and to my family.

(Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)

PIACULUM - THE EXPIATION OF MISTAKES DURING THE RITUAL

"Iane pater, deus novi initii,
"__________( names of all other deities invoked in vocative),
Lares, Manes, Penates,
Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displiceat,
hoc vino inferio
veniam peto
et vitium meum expio."

Father Ianus, God of the New Beginning,
"__________( names of all other deities invoked),
Lares, Manes, Penates,
Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
All Gods Immortal, by whichever name:
if something in this ceremony was unpleasant to you,
by this wine
I do apogize
and expiate my mistake.

(Libation of wine is made.)

I wish my fellow citizens a very happy and blessed New Year, full of peace and gladness. May Father Ianus bless you all, together with all the gods and goddesses of the Roman people.

BONUM FELICEM FAUSTUM FORTUNATUM ANNUM NOVUM MMDCCLXIII !!!


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
P O N T I F E X
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------------------
Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72911 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: KALENDAE IANUARIAE: ANNUM NOVUM BONUM FAUSTUM FELICEM
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Salvete vosque bona Strenia auctet ope.

Hodie est Kalendae Ianuariae; haec dies nefastus est: DIE QUINTI TE KALO, IUNO COVELLA: natalis Vediovi; natalis Aesculapi; Streniae
Annum Nouum bonum faustum felicem!

"A prosperous day dawns: favour our thoughts and speech!
Let auspicious words be said on this auspicious day."
~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.71-72

JANUS

"Janus, though You begin each fleeting year, and renew the long ages wherever You appear, though vows and incense are piously first offered to You, and the consuls begin each year by laying offerings at Your feet." ~ M. Valerius Martialis 8.8.1-5

"Why do they suppose Janus to have been two-faced and so represent him in painting and sculpture? Is it because, as they relate, he was by birth a Greek from Perrhaebia, and, when he had crossed to Italy and had settled among the savages there, he changed both his speech and his habits? Or is it rather because he changed the people of Italy to another manner and form of life by persuading a people which had formerly made use of wild plants and lawless customs to till the soil and to live under organized government?" ~ Plutarch, Quaestiones Romanae 22

"Why did their ancient coinage have stamped on one side a double-faced likeness of Janus, on the other the stern or the prow of a ship?
Is it, as many affirm, in honour of Saturn who crossed over to Italy in a ship? Or, since this might be said of many, inasmuch as Janus, Evander, and Aeneas all landed in Italy after a voyage by sea, one might rather conjecture thus: some things are excellent for States, others are necessary; fand of the excellent things good government is the chief, and of the necessary things facility of provision. Since, therefore, Janus established for them an ordered government by civilizing their life, and since the river, which was navigable and permitted transportation both from the sea and from the land, provided them with an abundance of necessities, the coinage came to have as its symbol the twofold form of the lawgiver, as has been stated, because of the change he wrought, and the vessel as the symbol of the river." ~ Plutarch, Quaestiones Romanae 41


STRENIA

For Strenia today give gifts (strenae) to loved ones and burn twigs of laurel as offerings upon altar.


AUSPICIUM MAGISTRATUM

"Omens attend upon beginnings." ~ Ovid, Fasti 1.178

The New Year began with the Auspici Magistratum, where the consuls took the auspices for the coming year at the Auguralium on the Arx. Moving past the Temple of Vediovis the consuls next offered sacrifices to Jupiter at the Capitolium and made vows for the welfare of the City before calling upon the Senate to formally seek its advice.

After AUC 600 (153 BCE), when magistrates first began to take office on 1 January rather than 1 March, certain traditions for the New Year were transferred to this day as well. One was a procession that led from the sacellum of Strenia at the head of the Via Sacra up to the Arx where the consuls took their auspices. The consuls would have begun preparing shortly after midnight, then gone to the Arx to await sunrise for taking the first signs of day. Symmachus tells us that the procession from Strenia's shrine was conducted just before sunrise, and thus it may have conducted as an escort for the inauguration of the consuls. In this procession sacred twigs from Her grove were carried. The tradition was said to have gone back to the days when Tatius was king with Romulus (Symmachus, epistle 10.35). The twigs could therefore have been the Sabine herb juniper, which was used for purification rituals. Friends exchanged gifts, called strenae, as a way of passing on wishes of prosperity and good fortune for the New Year.

Today, as our consuls P. Memmius Albucius and K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus enter office we recall a prayer for good fortune to shine upon them.

"O Sol, whose light embraces the world, You orbit inexhaustible, forever returning, Your face glowing on each day, Your horses harnessed as a team to drive Your chariot, with manes braided pleasantly they rise high, passing over rose-red clouds as You rein their frothing fires. Already yet another year begins, measured by the footsteps of brothers, who as new consuls gladly offer their prayers and vows." ~ Claudius Claudianus, In Olybii et Probini fratres Consules Panegyricus 1-7


AUC 460 / 293 BCE: Arrival of Aesculapius

"Latona's grandson, revered Aesculapis, by whose mild herbal remedies too briefly are the Fates beguiled." ~ M. Valerius Martialis 9.17

"The year had been a happy one in many ways, but this was hardly adequate consolation for the one major disaster: the plague that raged through town and countryside alike. The devastation it caused was thought to be an evil omen, and thus the Sibylline Oracles were consulted to find what limits or remedy the Gods proposed for it ravages. The Books revealed that Aesculapius must be summoned from Epidaurus to Rome; however because the consuls were busy engaged in a war, nothing was done about it that year except that one day was set aside for a supplicatio for the God." ~ Titus Livius 10.47.6

"When the people suffered from a plague, envoys were sent to bring a statue of Aesculapius from Epidaurus to Rome. They brought with them a snake that had joined them in the ship, and which no doubt was a manifestation of the god; from the ship, it went to the island in the Tiber, to the place where the temple of Aesculapius has been erected." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 11.3

"Why is the shrine of Aesculapius outside the city? Is it because they considered it more healthful to spend their time outside the city than within its walls? In fact the Greeks, as might be expected, have their shrines of Asclepius situated in places which are both clean and high. Or is it because they believe that the god came at their summons from Epidaurus, and the Epidaurians have their shrine of Asclepius not in the city, but at some distance? Or is it because the serpent came out from the trireme into the island, and there disappeared, and thus they thought that the god himself was indicating to them the site for building?" ~ Plutarch, Quaestiones Romanae 94


AUC 559 / 194 BCE: Insula Temple of Vediovis

L. Furius Purpureo vowed a temple for Vediovis during his victory over the Carthaginians under Hamilcar and their Gallic allies at Cremona in 200 BCE (Livy 31.21). The temple was then dedicated six years later on the Insula in (Livy 34.53).


AUC 865 / 112 CE: Dedication of Trajan's Forum.


AUC 946 / 193 CE: Ascension of Publius Helvius Pertinax.

"After Commodus was slain, Laetus, the prefect of the guard, and Eclectus, the chamberlain, came to Pertinax and reassured him, and then led him to the camp. There he harangued the soldiers, promised a donative, and said that the imperial power had been thrust upon him by Laetus and Eclectus. It was pretended, moreover, that Commodus had died a natural death, chiefly because the soldiers feared that their loyalty was merely being tested. Finally, and at first by only a few, Pertinax was hailed as emperor. He was made emperor on the day before the Kalends of January, being then more than sixty years old. During the night he came from the camp to the senate, but, when he ordered the opening of the hall of the senate-house and the attendant could not be found, he seated himself in the Temple of Concord. And when Claudius Pompeianus, Marcus' son-in law, came to him and bemoaned the death of Commodus, Pertinax urged him to take the throne; Claudius, however, seeing that Pertinax was already invested with the imperial power, refused. Without further delay, therefore, all the magistrates, in company with the consul, came to the senate-house, and Pertinax, who had come in by night, was saluted as emperor." ~ Historia Augusta, Pertinax 4.5-11


Our thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 5.8.1:

"Just as we must understand when it is said, that Aesculapius prescribed to this man horse-exercise, or bathing in cold water or going without shoes; so we must understand it when it is said, that the nature of the universe prescribed to this man disease or mutilation or loss or anything else of the kind. For in the first case Prescribed means something like this: he prescribed this for this man as a thing adapted to procure health; and in the second case it means: that which happens to every man is fixed in a manner for him suitable to his destiny."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72912 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Sacrifice for the Millennial Jubilee Years of the 2000th Anniversary
Cn. Lentulus, legatus pro praetore Pannoniae, pontifex, sacerdos Pannoniae
Quiritibus Pannoniis et consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis, senatuique et omnibus s. p. d.


Pannonia has started its 2000th year's celebration on last year's 1st January and the Millennial Jubilee Years of the 2000th Anniversary of Pannonia continues this year, too. This has been the ritual for the New Year of the Nova Roman Pannonia, and for the 2000th year of Pannonia, for the future of our province:


SACRIFICIVM KALENDARVM IANVARIARVM ANNI MMDCCLXIII AVC ANNIVERSARII BIS MILLESIMI PANNONIAE PROVINCIAE CONDITAE



- INVOCATIO of all the gods:

Iane,
Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
Dea Pannonia,
Quirine, Venus, Vesta, Mercuri, Concordia, Fortuna!
Penates, Lares,
di Novensiles, dique Indigetes,
omnes divi quocumque nomine,
quorum est potestas nostrum hostiumque,
dique Manes!

- GRATVLATIO to all the gods:

Vos quaeso precorque,
uti vos praeteriti proxime anni Kalendis Ianuariis
bonis precibus bene precatus sum,
quibusque uti precibus satisfecistis:
earundem rerum ergo propterque omnia in praeteritis MM annis
Provinciae Pannoniae data beneficia
macte hoc ture ommovendo,
hoc vino libando,
hoc libo libando
estote fitote volentes propitii!

# After these words incense, libum and wine were sacrificied. #

- PRECATIO of all the gods:

Quarum rerum ergo, quodque melius siet
renascenti Populo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae
hisce Kalendis Ianuuariis nunc incepto novo anno
bis millesimi anniversarii Pannoniae Provinciae conditae:
vobis sacrum fiat:

Vos precor, veneror, veniam peto feroque,
uti Res Nostra, Res Romae in Pannonia reficiundae,
regignundi ac renascentis Populi Romani Quiritium,
Reique Publicae Populi Romani Quiritium renaturae
semper crescat, convalescat, continenter extendatur, augeatur;
fiantque in Pannonia multo plures Novi Romani Quirites;
motusque et consociatio ad Rem Romanam reficiundam in Pannonia instituatur;
utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
atque hoc anno anniversario bis millesimo Pannoniae Provinciae conditae
convalescat;
utique Provincia Pannonia, cuius legatus pro praetore sum, crescat,
multosque cives habeat,
atque hoc anno anniversario bis millesimo convalescat;
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hodie incepto novo anno eventus bonos faustosque esse siritis;
utique sitis volentes propitii Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Provinciaeque Pannoniae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae!

- INVOCATIO & PRECATIO of the single gods:

Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
earundem rerum ergo te precor quaesoque,
uti sies volens propitius Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Provinciaeque Pannoniae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae!

Quirine, Dea Pannonia, Dea Roma, Venus Genetrix, Mars,
Penates, Lares, Manes maiorum nostrum,
omnes di quocumque nomine, qui Romam et Pannoniam Romanam favetis favebatis,
earundem rerum ergo vos precor quaesoque,
uti fiant multo plures Pannonii Novi Romani Quirites;
utique ex societate Novae Romae verus motus et consociatio in Pannonia fieri
possit,
ex qua Populus Romanus Quiritium
Resque Publica Populi Romani Quiritium renascatur;
utique Novae Romae Societas Pannonia in Hungaria magni momenti fiat
hoc anno anniversario bis millesimo Pannoniae Provinciae conditae!

Deae Iuno et Vesta,
earundem rerum ergo vos precor quaesoque,
uti domos familiasque in Pannonia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
domum familiamque meam protegatis, curetis, custodiatis;
utique domos familiasque Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
domum familiamque meam ab omnibus malis conservetis!

- SACRIFICIUM COMMUNE

Sicut verba nuncupavi, quae ita faxitis, uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte
his tribus libis libandis
hoc vino lacte melleque mixto libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
estote fitote in hodie incepto novo anno
anniversarii bis millesimi Pannoniae Provinciae
volentes propitii renascenti Populo Romano Quiritibus,
Pannoniae Provinciae,
mihi, domo, familiae!

# After these words three cakes, a glass of wine,
and incense were sacrificied.#


ILICET!
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VIVAT PANNONIA ANNORUM MM!!!

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72913 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: New year auspices, oath and sacrificium annuae novae
Albucius cos. des. Patribus, Magistratibus Quiritibus omnibusque s.d.

I have wished respecting the proceedings used by our ancestors and reenacted a few years ago. However, instead of displaying here the whole auspicial times that I had myself and lived alone at dawn today, I have asked Pontifex Maximus and augur Moravius to proceed to a whole auspicia session, and to confirm the "Aves addictiva" conclusion I reached myself five hours ago.

By this request, I want to underline to major place that I and my colleague Fabius Buteo want our Religio Romana to take or take back in our institutions and our major public events.

I have issued the same request, in the same mood, to Pontifex Maximus M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus on the Sacrificium annuae novae, which take place normally after the oath taken by the first consul. This sacrificium, that I also conducted myself just after my taking of auspices at dawn, will thus be confirmed, before that the Senate will enter Its inaugural session, this afternoon at 5 pm Rome time.

I will thus issue, in my next public messages, just my oath of office, the confirmation of the favorable auspices and the sacrificium being to be displayed by our Pontifex Maximus. If ever Hon. Moravius had some problem to do this today, I would, as a reminder, display my own ceremonials at this time.

I hereby, last, confirm , as my collega pr. maior Marinus has also done, that I give up all my powers related to my office of praetor, ended on this Kal. Ian. 2763 auc. 13 hours ago. I remain, in case of necessity, at the disposal of the praetors /- ices Iunia and Hortensia via private correspondence. They have my best wishes for the important task which is now theirs.

Valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
consul maior designatus 2763
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72914 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Re: My Thanks
Most Respected Senator

"The Kingdom of the Heavens is like a treasure having been hidden in the field, which a man, having found it, hid it again, and from the joy he has, he goes away and sells as many things as he has and buys the field (Matt. 13:44)."

Treasures are to be found in many places, for different times of our lives. When young, entering the Army, I recall a Buddhist poem that was most helpful, the "Rhinocerus," as it spoke on how a young man must go out into the world on his own. While older now, the poems of Rumi speak more to me. I would recommend Rumi to you as well.

I have seen a good deal more bigotry than just when religion is used as an excuse. What I know for certain is that bigotry of every kind is based in an ignorance of our fellow humans. There is no place within our community of Nova Roma for ignorance of one another or for any form of bigotry.

May you have a fortunate, healthy, and prosperous New Year.

M. Moravius Piscinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, James Mathews <JLMTopog@...> wrote:
>
> Senator Moravius;
>
> Respected sir! My thanks for your explanation. Some time ago I met a
> young woman through Nova Roma with whom I later worked for a bit
> looking into philosophy. Her comments in regard to her beliefs were
> that religious belief was like a great jewel and different people
> looked into different facets of the same jewel based generally upon
> their background, study, or discovery and selected that which seems to
> work best for them. To my mind that is fine with me, just as long as
> my beliefs are left alone. My problem is with people who want to
> throw others who believe differently out, or hurt them in some
> intellectual or physical way. I, in my travels, have seen much of
> that, and it really bothers me. Apparently I am not the only one that
> such ideas bother.
>
> Religion has been the cause of much bloodshed in the world, (almost as
> much as money) not to mention insult and as you have experienced
> persecution of all kinds. That is not right and we both realize
> that. However, those kinds of comments, threats, and insults last a
> long time with some people. With some people they do not bother at
> all. However, in my view having a "thin skin" is no reason to be
> invited to leave, or no reason to criticize when the person being
> criticized is a stranger to the critic. To my mind that is stupidly
> criminal.
>
> In closing, again my thanks for your explanation and I shall take your
> words for my consideration as I read a bit more. It is obvious that
> you are much better read on this subject than I, and apparently I have
> a long way to go.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Audens
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72916 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Edictum XIV Lentuli leg. pr. pr. Pannoniae de proquaestrice
EDICTUM XIV. LEGATI PRO PRAETORE PANNONIAE


Edictum XIV. Legati Pro Praetore Cn. Cornelii Lentuli de proquaestrice

Edictum XIV. of Legatus Pro Praetore Cn. Cornelius Lentulus about a proquaestrix


I. - I hereby appoint _Lucia Livia Plauta former Provincial Quaestrix and Legata_ as Proquaestrix Legati Pro Praetore Pannoniae to be my first vicar and deputy in the province.

II. - The Proquaestor (Proquaestrix) has the same rights and obligations as the Provincial Quaestor (Quaestrix) and is Assistant Governor and the Governor's deputy and vicar with full rights.

III. - This Edictum becomes effective immediately.


Given the 1st of January, anno MMDCCLXIII. AUC.

Datum est Kal. Ian. P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio Buteoni Quintiliano consulibus, anno MMDCCLXIII. AUC.


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
LEGATUS PRO PRAETORE
PROVINCIAE PANNONIAE

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- MAGYAR VÁLTOZAT

EDICTUM XIV. LEGATI PRO PRAETORE PANNONIAE


Edictum XIV. Legati Pro Praetore Cn. Cornelii Lentuli de proquaestrice

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Praetori Jogkörű Kormányző XIV. Edictuma Proquaestrix kinevezéséről

I. - Ezennel kinevezem most leköszönő provinciai quaestrixemet, _Lucia Livia Plautát_ Provinciai Proquaestrixszé, rangelső helyettesemmé.

II. - A Proquaestor (Proquaestrix) ugyanazt a tisztséget, rangot, ugyanazokat a jogokat és kötelezettségeket birtokolja mint a Provinciai Quaestor (Quaestrix) és a provincia Kormányzóhelyettese és teljes jogú képvisleője.

III. - Ez az Edictum azonnali hatállyal életbe lép.


Kelt MMDCCLXIII. Január 1.

Datum est Kal. Ian. P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio Buteoni Quintiliano consulibus, anno MMDCCLXIII. AUC.


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
LEGATUS PRO PRAETORE
PROVINCIAE PANNONIAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72917 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Oath of office - Consul maior
Patribus, Magistratibus Quiritibus omnibus s.d.

I have the honor taking, in front of you all, and under the eyes of our Gods, the following oath, alternatively pronounced in Latin and in English, and issued in the due respect of our current laws :


"Ego, Publius Memmius Albucius (Christophe Puissant), hac re ipsa
decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.

I, Publius Memmius Albucius (Christophe Puissant), do solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma and to act always in the best
interests of the People and Senate of Nova Roma.


"Ego, Publius Memmius Albucius, officio consulis maioris - ergo magistratus - Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse iuro.

As first consul, therefore magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Publius Memmius Albucius, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.


"Ego, Publius Memmius Albucius, religioni romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

I, Publius Memmius Albucius, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State religion.


"Ego, Publius Memmius Albucius, iuro me constitutionem Novae Romae tuitum iri et defensurum esse.

I, Publius Memmius Albucius, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.


"Ego, Publius Memmius Albucius, consulis officiis muneris me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.

I, Publius Memmius Albucius, further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of consul to the best of my abilities.


Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus consulis una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

On my honor as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the
gods and goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the office of consul and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto."


Dictum Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXIII a.u.c. P. Memmio Albucio et K. Fabio Buteo Quintiliano coss. - pronounced on Jan. 1, 2010 c.c., during the consulship of P. Memmius Albucius et K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus.


I know officially invite my colleague K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, and all the magistrates who are required to take their oath of office from Jan. 1 on (and not from Dec. 10 on), to pronounce it.

I wish them all the best year as possible, at the service of Rome.

I hereby thank previous Consuls M. Curiatius Complutensis and M. Iulius Severus for the work done last year, and my former colleague praetor maior Gn. Equitius Marinus for the best collaboration I would ever have wished, for Rome, in the joint praetura. My sincere thanks naturally include the whole praetorian team.

I will meet the senators at 5 pm this afternoon in the Curia for the inaugural (annual) Senate session.

Valete Patres, Magistratus et Quirites omnes!


P. Memmius Albucius
cos. maior 2763 auc

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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> Albucius cos. des. Patribus, Magistratibus Quiritibus omnibusque s.d.
>
> I have wished respecting the proceedings used by our ancestors and reenacted a few years ago. However, instead of displaying here the whole auspicial times that I had myself and lived alone at dawn today, I have asked Pontifex Maximus and augur Moravius to proceed to a whole auspicia session, and to confirm the "Aves addictiva" conclusion I reached myself five hours ago.
>
> By this request, I want to underline to major place that I and my colleague Fabius Buteo want our Religio Romana to take or take back in our institutions and our major public events.
>
> I have issued the same request, in the same mood, to Pontifex Maximus M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus on the Sacrificium annuae novae, which take place normally after the oath taken by the first consul. This sacrificium, that I also conducted myself just after my taking of auspices at dawn, will thus be confirmed, before that the Senate will enter Its inaugural session, this afternoon at 5 pm Rome time.
>
> I will thus issue, in my next public messages, just my oath of office, the confirmation of the favorable auspices and the sacrificium being to be displayed by our Pontifex Maximus. If ever Hon. Moravius had some problem to do this today, I would, as a reminder, display my own ceremonials at this time.
>
> I hereby, last, confirm , as my collega pr. maior Marinus has also done, that I give up all my powers related to my office of praetor, ended on this Kal. Ian. 2763 auc. 13 hours ago. I remain, in case of necessity, at the disposal of the praetors /- ices Iunia and Hortensia via private correspondence. They have my best wishes for the important task which is now theirs.
>
> Valete omnes,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> consul maior designatus 2763
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72918 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Short Latin lesson
C. Petronius omnibus s.p.d.,

A short Latin lesson for those who will have to do their oaths of office:

This year is anno MMDCCLXIII [Bis millesimo septingentesimo sexagesimo tertio] ab Vrbe condita.
If you want to use the consulships you put the names of the consuls at the ablative case:
P. Memmio [Albucio]
K. Fabio [Buteone Quintiliano], I put the cognomina in brackets because you can miss them.

But, do not forget, that K. Fabius is consul for the second time, so you must add II after his name.
II is for Iterum = for the second time.

So the year is:
With all letters,
P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio Buteone Quintiliano iterum consulibus.

In the shortest way:
P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Happy new year!

C. Petronius Dexter
Tribunus Plebis.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72919 From: Equestria Iunia Laeca Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Praetrix
Equestria Iunia Laeca Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae
me defensuram, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse
sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), officio Praetoris Novae Romae
accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus
culturam, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse
iuro.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), Religioni Romanae me fauturam
et eam defensuram, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse,
ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), officiis muneris Praetoris me
quam optime functuram esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Praetoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis,
muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXIII a.u.c. P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio Buteoni Quintiliano
consulibus


I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
the people and Senate of Nova Roma.

As magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), swear
to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetor to the best of my
abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Praetrix and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.


Given under my hand this first day of January 2010 CE in the consulship of
P. Memmius Albucius and K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Equestria Iunia Laeca
Praetrix, Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72920 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: The oath of Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
Salvete Quirites!

I bow to the Gods and Goddesses and especially Mater Palatua and greet
the new year with a hope to be able to together with my colleague
Consul Publius Memmius Albucius introduce some well needed changes to
Nova Roma. Further I thank previous Consuls M. Curiatius Complutensis
and M. Iulius Severus and all the other previous mahistrates for the
work done last year.

So then I swear the oath:

I, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus (Christer Edling), do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in
the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus,
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Consul to the best
of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Consul and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


Ego, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus (Christer Edling) hoc ipso facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae
Populo atque Senatu agere.

Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, Romae
deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque
Romanas virtutes et publica et privata vita persequi.

Ego Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Romanam religionem favere et
defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere
ita ut eius status publicae religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat.

Praeterea ego Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus IVRO quam optime fungi
officium muneris Consuli.

Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus
et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Consuli ACCIPIO una cum iuribus,
privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

In Thule Provincia, Kal. Januarius, P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio Buteone
Quintiliano iterum consulibus, anno MMDCCLXIII A.V.C.


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Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72922 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Re: Oath of Office - Praetrix
M.Hortensia Maior Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit

Ego, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensuram, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter iuro.

Ego, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), officio Praetrici Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturam, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse iuro.

Ego, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam defensuram, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Ego, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), officiis muneris Praetrici me quam optime functuram esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Praetoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis, > muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXIII P.Albucio K.Buteo II coss.


I, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), do hereby solemnly swear to
> uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and Senate of Nova Roma.

As magistrate of Nova Roma, I, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue > the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, M. Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetrix to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Praetrix and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


Given under my hand the Kalends of January, MMDCCLXIII P.Albucius K.Fabius twice, consuls

M.Hortensia Maior
Praetrix, Novae Romae
Flaminica Carmentalis
Senatrix

---

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M.Hortensia Maior Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit
>
> Ego, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensuram, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter iuro.
>
> Ego, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), officio Praetrici Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturam, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse iuro.
>
> Ego, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam defensuram, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.
>
> Ego, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), officiis muneris Praetrici me quam optime functuram esse praeterea iuro.
>
> Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
> voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Praetoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis, > muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.
>
> Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXIII a.u.c. P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio Buteoni Quintiliano consulibus
>
>
> I, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), do hereby solemnly swear to
> > uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> As magistrate of Nova Roma, I, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue > the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
>
> I, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
>
> I, M.Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
>
> I, M. Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetrix to the best of my abilities.
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Praetrix and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
>
>
> Given under my hand this first day of January 2010 CE in the consulship of
> P. Memmius Albucius and K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
>
> M.Hortensia Maior
> Praetrix, Novae Romae
> Flaminica Carmentalis
> Senatrix
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72923 From: Deandrea Boyle Date: 2010-01-01
Subject: Thank You Former Praetors!
Equestria Iunia Laeca Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit

On behalf of myself and my colleague M. Hortensia Maior, we wish to
salute former praetors Gn. Equitius Marinus and P. Memmius Albucius on
a successful year and express our gratitude to them for their
exemplary stewardship of the praetura during that time. Furthermore,
we wish to recognize the excellent work performed by the praetorial
cohors. The importance of their selfless and consistent contributions
cannot be overstated. Thank You!

Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72924 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: Oath of Office MMDCCLXIII Titus Flavius Aquila, Curule Aedile
 
T. Flavius Aquila Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit !
 
I bow to the Gods and Goddesses of Roma, especially to Iuppiter, Fortuna et Mercurius.
 
I hope that 2763 auc will bring our Republic Nova Roma a prosperous year and further positive development
to reach our main goals.I will do everything possible to support this.
 
Thus I take my oath :
 
Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.
Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), officio aedilis curulis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse iuro.
Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), religioni romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.
Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), officiis muneris aedilis curulis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.
Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus aedilis curulis una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.
Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXIII P.Albucio K.Buteo II coss.

I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), do solemnly swear to uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act always in the best interests of the People and Senate of Nova Roma.
As Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State religion.
I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Curule Aedile to the best of my abilities.
On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the gods and goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the office of Curule Aedile and all the rights, privileges, obligations and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Given under my hand IV Nonas Ianuarias, MMDCCLXIII P.Albucius K.Fabius twice, consuls


Titus Flavius Aquila Curule Aedile Nova Roma
 
 
 
 
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72925 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: a. d. IV Nonas Ianuarias: Dies Ater; Hours of the Day and Night
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Curate ut valeatis, et Di vos servent.

Hodie est ante diem IIII Nonas Ianuarias; haec dies fastus aterque est:

Lead me, O Master of the lofty heavens,
My Father, whithersoever thou shalt wish
I shall not falter, but obey with speed.
And though I would not, I shall go, and suffer
In sin and sorrow what I might have done
In noble virtue. Aye, the willing soul
Fate leads, but the unwilling drags along.
~ L. Annaeus Seneca, Epistle 107


DIES ATER

"Dies POSTRIDUANI: These are the days following after all the Kalendae, Nonae and Idus of each month. They are, in general terms, dies fasti (F), but they are days of ill-omen for beginning private activities, business or journeys. Public worship is explicitly forbidden."

"All religious ceremonies are private but without sacrifices. No one should invoke a God or Goddess by name while indoors, and no celestial God or Goddess should be invoked by name while outdoors. It is not fitting to offer sacrifice to the spirits of the dead on dies atri either, because in such ceremonies it is necessary to call upon Janus and Jove, whom it is not right to call upon on dies atri. Making journeys, starting new projects, or doing anything risky should be avoided."

The explanation that was traditionally given for the dies atres was that sacrifices offered before battle on these days had always led to disasters.

"Verrius Flaccus, in the fourth book of his work De Verborum Significatu writes that the days immediately following the Kalends, Nones, and Ides, which the vulgar ignorantly declare to be nefastus, are properly called and considered ill-omened for this reason: When the City, he says, had been recovered from the Senonian Gauls, Lucius Atilius stated in the Senate that Quintus Sulpicius, tribune of the soldiers, when on the eve of fighting against the Gauls at the Allia, offered sacrifice in anticipation of the battle on the day after the Ides; that the army of the Roman people was thereupon cut to pieces, and three days later the whole City, except the Capital, was taken. Also many other senators said that they remembered that whenever with a view to waging war a magistrate of the Roman people had sacrificed on the day after the Kalends, Nones, or Ides, in the very next battle of the war the State had suffered a disaster. Then the Senate referred the matter to the pontifices, that they might take what action they saw fit. The pontifices decreed that no sacrifice would properly be made on those days." ~ Gellius, Noctium Atticarum 5.17.1-2

Plutarch offered a different reasoning, one based in Pythagorean numerology (Rom. Ques. 25). Although not directly related to Romn practice, he did express an idea held by Romans in a different way. "The odd numbers," he said, "are determinate, completing, and perfect." Or as Ovid put it, "odd numbers are pleasing to the Gods." In contrast "the even numbers are imperfect, incomplete, and indeterminate." In performing Roman ritual an altar would be wound with woolen fillets three times, or in multiples of three, to signify its purification. Offerings of ground grain were presented in three elongated piles; three cakes, or multiples of three, were offered; and in the consecration of a templum, a colonia, or a military camp the special sacrifice of the suovetaurilia offered a boar, a bull, and a ram, or a sow, a cow, and an ewe. Invocations were repeated towards three directions, just as at funeral rites when the deceased was called three times. In the Roman calendar nearly all festivals occur on odd numbered days, where the one example of a festival held for Mars may have special significance that it falls on an even numbered day. Odd numbers were connected with the Gods as being divine in origin, propitious and lucky. The Kalends, Nones, and Ides always fell on odd numbered days, and since these were considered the most propitious day of a month, it would seem to have naturally occurred to the Romans that the following days had to be less propitious, even ill-omened.


AUC 730 / 23 BCE: Potens Tribunicia of Augustus

"When the Senate and the Roman people unanimously agreed that I should be elected overseer of laws and morals, without a colleague and with the fullest power, I refused to accept any power offered me which was contrary to the traditions of our ancestors. Those things which at that time the senate wished me to administer I carried out by virtue of my tribunician power." ~ Caesar Augustus, Res Gestae 1.6

While the Senate had offered many honors and titles to Augustus, not all of which he accepted, the two most important were the title "imperator" and the "potens tribunicia." Emperors were called "imperator," according to Cassius Dio, "in token of their independent authority (53.17.4)." It was through his "potens tribunicia" that Augustus was able to exercise power over the entire state and civil administration. The combination of these and other privileges "secure the right to make levies, to collect funds, declare war, make peace, rule foreigners and citizens alike everywhere and always, — even to the extent of being able to put to death both knights and senators inside the pomerium, — and all the other privileges once granted to the consuls and other officials possessing independent authority; and by virtue of holding the censorship they investigate our lives and morals as well as take the census, enrolling some in the equestrian and senatorial classes and erasing the names of others from these classes, according to their will (ibid 53.17.5-7)." He was granted the potens tribunicia on 2 January and they were renewed each year. It became the practice of extending the same powers to later emperors upon their ascension. Eventually it became customary to renew an emperor's potens tribunicia on 2 January each year in emulation of Augustus as the first emperor.

The Hours of the Day and Night and the Seven Day Week

"The custom, however, of referring the days to the seven stars called planets was instituted by the Egyptians, but is now found among all mankind, though its adoption has been comparatively recent; at any rate the ancient Greeks never understood it, so far as I am aware. But since it is now quite the fashion with mankind generally and even with the Romans themselves, I wish to write briefly of it, telling how and in what way it has been so arranged. I have heard two explanations, which are not difficult of comprehension, it is true, though they involve certain theories. For if you apply the so called "principle of the tetrachord" (which is believed to constitute the basis of music) to these stars, by which the whole universe of heaven is divided into regular intervals, in the order in which each of them revolves, and beginning at the outer orbit assigned to Saturn, then omitting the next two name the lord of the fourth, and after this passing over two others reach the seventh, and you then go back and repeat the process with the orbits and their presiding divinities in this same manner, assigning them to the several days, you will find all the days to be in a kind of musical connection with the arrangement of the heavens. This is one of the explanations given; the other is as follows. If you begin at the first hour to count the hours of the day and of the night, assigning the first to Saturn, the next to Jupiter, the third to Mars, the fourth to the Sun, the fifth to Venus, the sixth to Mercury, and the seventh to the Moon, according to the order of the cycles which the Egyptians observe, and if you repeat the process, you will find that the first hour of the following day comes to the Sun. And if you carry on the operation throughout the next twenty-four hours in the same manner as with the others, you will dedicate the first hour of the third day to the Moon, and if you proceed similarly through the rest, each day will receive its appropriate God. This, then, is the tradition." ~ Dio Cassius, Roman History 37.18-19

Thus today being Saturni dies the hours of the day begin at Sun Rise at Rome at 8:37 hours with the hour of Mars, and the hours of the night begin with Sun Set, at 17:49 hours with the hour of Saturnus. The length of a Roman hour varies from day to day, where as in our own reckoning the number of daylight hours vary from day to day. This will mean that the Roman hours of the day last only 46 minutes today, and the hours of the night are slightly less than 1 hour and 15 minutes. The hours of dies Saturni, named for the Gods, are as follw, after CIL 9.5808.

I Martis noxia
II Solis communis
III Veneris bona
IV Mercuri communis
V Lunae communis
VI Saturni noxia
VII Iovis bona
VIII Martis noxia
IX Solis communis
X Veneris bona
XI Mercuri communis
XII Lunae communis

I Saturni noxia
II Iovis bona
III Martis noxia
IV Solis communis
V Veneris bona
VI Mecuri communis
VII Lunae communis
VIII Saturni noxia
IX Iovis bona
X Martis noxia
XI Solis communis
XII Veneris bona


For today's thought we turn to Epicurius, Vatican Sayings 1

"A blessed and indestructible being has no trouble himself and brings no trouble upon any other being; so he is free from anger and partiality, for all such things imply weakness."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72926 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: Oath of office - Censor.
T. Iulius Sabinus Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit:

Ego, Titus Iulius Sabinus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Titus Iulius Sabinus, officio Censoris Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse iuro.

Ego, Titus Iulius Sabinus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Ego, Titus Iulius Sabinus officiis muneris Censoris me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Censoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.
-----
I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Censor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Censor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
-----

Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXIII P.Albucio K.Buteo II coss.

T. Iulius Sabinus
Censor Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72927 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
SALVE ET SALVETE!
 
A happy, peaceful and great New Year to you all from us here at the easthern bounds of Rome.
 
SPQR
 
VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus






"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:


From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS <jbshr1pwa@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Happy New Year
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 2:12 AM


 



Salvete omnes.

Here in Britannia it is now New year.

I said to the man who stood at the gate of the year
'Give me a light that I may tread safely into the unknown.'

And he replied, 'Go into the darkness and put your hand into the hand of God
That shall be to you better than light and safer than a known way!'

May the gods light all your paths, and keep you all safe in the coming year.

A happy, peaceful and great New Year to you all from us here at the northern bounds of Rome.

Viva Nova Roma!!

Valete omnes.

Crispus











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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72928 From: equitius_marinus Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: Re: Thank You Former Praetors!
Salve Praetrix Laeca,

You are most kindly welcome for these thoughtful words. I don't intend to be around the forum much for a while. For the first time in over seven years I'm not a magistrate, and I am leaving the forum in your capable hands.

Vale,

Gn. Equit. Marinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Deandrea Boyle <deandreaboyle@...> wrote:
>
> Equestria Iunia Laeca Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit
>
> On behalf of myself and my colleague M. Hortensia Maior, we wish to
> salute former praetors Gn. Equitius Marinus and P. Memmius Albucius on
> a successful year and express our gratitude to them for their
> exemplary stewardship of the praetura during that time. Furthermore,
> we wish to recognize the excellent work performed by the praetorial
> cohors. The importance of their selfless and consistent contributions
> cannot be overstated. Thank You!
>
> Valete.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72929 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: P Ullerius, Oath as Rogator
Salvete Omnes,

Having thought long and hard, seeking guidance from That Which Is
Holy, I come before you to take up the office of Rogator, by this
oath:

I, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator (Steven Patrick Robinson) do
hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act
always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova
Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
(Steven Patrick Robinson) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of
Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my
public and private life.

I, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator (Steven Patrick Robinson) swear
to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova
Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as
the State Religion.

I, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator (Steven Patrick Robinson) swear
to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator (Steven Patrick Robinson)
further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the
office of Rogator to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Rogator and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Given from my hand this 2nd day of January in the 2,763rd year of the City.

=====================================
In amicitia et fide
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Senator, Rogator et Lictor
Patrician et Paterfamilias
Religio Septentrionalis - Flamen Privatus et Poeta
Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72930 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: Augurium Magistratum anno AUC MMDCCLXIII
Ex domo Auguris

M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus et Horatianus Magister Collegii Augurum Consulibus, Tribunibus Plebis, Senatoribus Patribus Mátribusque Conscriptís, viris clarissimis et castissimae mulieribus, et Civibus Novae Romae, Quiritibus s. p. d.

A cold dawn of minus eleven degrees Celsus, a gentle wind from the south south-west, I performed a preliminary auspiciam on the dies pristini Kalendas Ianuarias. Sinistrae aves provided favorable signs to proceed. Thus, as Pontifex Maximus, I performed the annual sacrum piaculum on behalf of Nova Roma and the Sacerdotes on the last night of the year, making sacrifices of strues, libum, wine, and the organs of birds to Dis Pater, Jupiter Infernus, Proserpina, the Di Manes, to Terminus and Silvanus, to Caelus Noctus and Sanctissima Ceres, and all the other Gods and Goddesses called upon throughout the year asking that they accept our sacrifices, no matter in what manner these had been performed. Although the night was cold, the smoke from the altars both rose to the heavens and fell to the earth below as well, in sign of their acceptance. I next distributed sacrificial meats and strues over the altars and at dawn found that these, too, had been accepted.

That next morning, the Kalendae Ianuariae, I then took the Augurum Magistratum on behalf of Consul P. Memmius Albucius. Oscines circled around me as they called out. Two species of auspicious alites appeared before me, a red crested downy woodpecker and red-bellied flushed woodpecker, these being a little unusual to see so close, and never are they seen together as this day. A supervaganea perched above, calling out, as many species of birds arrived, and a second perched atop the cedars in the east. All of these were very good signs. A pair of blue jays arrived from the south east, calling out louding from the station of Ceres, signifying want, but they were then chased away by another pair arriving from the north, to indicate the blessing of the Gods to provide. A lone red tailed hawk flew at treetop level across the south from east to west. No birds were seen in the upper portion of the templum. No ill signs appeared.

An exceptional number of birds, of many species, too, arrived for the tripudium that followed and all ate hungrily, the husks of seeds falling from their mouths could be heard to give a sonivium. This signifies the pleasure of the many Gods with the magistrates and hold good prospects for this year.

Next I consulted the oracle for auspicia oblativa. She replied:

"Your own hopes, see, it is I, your own
Blue Tiber, river best loved of heaven,
Is cast, the sterns stand ranged along the shore,
And all welkin thundered with a crash,
Of Latium standing on this side and that."

This would seem to imply a coming together at Rome, along the Tiber, of people arriving from many places, and the blessing of the Celestial Gods in realizing the hopes of the Consules for the coming year.

The auspices confirming the Consules and all magistrates in office, I next performed the Sacrificium Annuae Sacrae on behalf of the Consules to begin the New Year. Thus are the Consules and all magistrates inaugurate for this Annum Novum ab condita Urbem MMDCCLXIII.

VOS QUOD FEXITIS, DEOS OMNES FORTUNARE VELIM

Kalendae Ianuaria AUC anno MMDCCLXIII P. Memmio K. Fabio Buteoni coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72931 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-02
Subject: Sacrificium Annuae Sacrae
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex Maximus: P. Memmio Albucio et K. Fabio Buteoni Quintiliano Consulibus, Patribus Mátribusque Conscriptís, Populo Novo Romano, Quiritibus omnibusque: salutem plurimam dicit:


Annum novum bonum faustum felicem!


In accordance with the tradition begun by Consul Cn. Salvius Astur on the Kalendae Ianuariae MMDCCLVII and continued in the following years by Consules C. Popillius Laenas, K. Fabius Buteo Modianus, L. Arminius Faustus, M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and M. Curiatius Complutensis, notice is hereby given that the annual Consular Sacrificial Ceremony has been offered to the Di Immortales on behalf of the new Consules for this year.


SACRIFICIUM ANNUAE SACRAE



I. INITIUM


Praeco dicit:

"Hoc agite! Ite procul, sacer est locus, ite profani!"

Lictor dicit:

"Hostis vinctus, puer, virgo exesto!"


II. PRAEFATIO

The Consul washes his hands in preparation for the Praefatio:

"Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

(May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses the air.)

Praeco dicit:

"Adeste dique hominesque sacris. Procul hinc, procul ite nocentes si cui corde nefas tacitum fessique senectus longa patris, si quis pulsatae conscius umquam matris et inferna rigidum timet Aeacon urna: insontes castosque voco."

(Come, be present, Gods and men, to these holy rites. Begone, you wicked folk, begone far from here, all whose hearts harbor unspoken an unholy desire, any who thinks their elderly relatives have lived too long, or you who are conscious of ever having struck your own mother, fear the urn of unbending Aeacus in the Underworld. I call only upon the innocent and the chaste.)

Consul dicit:

"Pro Senatu Novo Romano, ego, M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Consul dico, edico:"

(For the Senate and People of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, the Consul say and announce:)

"Iane pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novo Romano."

(Father Ianus, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers, so that You may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.)

Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novo Romano."

(Father Mars, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers, so that You may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.)

Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novo Romano."

(Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers, so that You may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.)

Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Ianus, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Mars pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Mars, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Quirinus, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.



III. PRECATIO


Hands are washed in preparation for the Precatio:

"Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

(May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses the air.)

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti tibi in illeis libreis scriptum est, quarumque rerum ergo, quodque melius siet populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, tibi hoc sacrum fiat: te quaeso precorque, uti imperium maiestatemque populi Novi Romani Quiritium auxis, utique incolumitatem sempiternamque victoriam valetudinemque populo Novo Romano Quiritibus des, faveasque populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Remque Publicam Liberam populi Novi Romani Quiritium salvam serves, maioremque facias, uti sis volens propitius populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Senatui Novo Romano, sacerdotibus populi Novi Romani, nobis, domibus, familiis, et uti huius sacrifici acceptor sies; harum rerum ergo macte esto fito volens propitius populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Senatui Novo Romano, sacerdotibus Novis Romanis, nobis, domibus, familiis."

(Jupiter Optimus Maximus, as it is prescribed for You in the (sacred) books – and for this reason may good fortune attend the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites – let sacrifice be made to You. I ask and I pray that You may increase the imperium and majesty of the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites; and that You may grant eternal safety, victory and health to the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites; and that You may protect the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites; and that You may
keep safe and make greater the Free Republic of the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites, and that You may be favorable and propitious to the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites, to the Senate of Nova Roma, to the priests and priestesses of the people of Nova Roma, to us, to our
homes, and to our households; and that You may accept this sacrifice. For these reasons may You become strengthened and honored with this sacrifice, may You become favorable and propitious to the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites, to the Senate of Nova Roma, to the priests and priestesses of the people of Nova Roma, to ourselves, to our homes, and to our households.)

"Iuppiter, quo circa te, Capitoline, quem propter beneficia populus Romanus Optimum, propter vim Maximum nominavit! Iuppiter, qui genus colis alisque hominem, per quem vivimus vitalem aevom, quem penes spes vitae sunt hominum omnium, da diem hunc sospitem quaeso meis rebus agundis!"

(O Jupiter Capitolinus, to You I pray, I entreat You, who the Roman people have named Optimus after Your kindness and Maximus after Your great power. O Jupiter, who does cherish and nurture the human race, through whom we live and draw the breath of life, in whom rest the
hopes and lives of all humankind, come now to this place, bless it in happiness, illuminated in Your divine radiance, venerated and made holy by Your presence.)

"Pater noster, in tua, pater carissime, in tua sumus custodia. Iuppiter, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces praecor, uti sis volens propitius nobis liberisque nostris, domibus familiisque nostris."

(Our Father, in You, dearest Father, in Your hands do we place our safekeeping. Jupiter, in offering to You this incense I pray good prayers that You may favor us, our children, our homes and our households.)

"Iuppiter, te hoc libo obmovendo bonas preces precor, uti sis volens propitius nobis liberisque nostris, domibus familiisque nostris, mactus hoc ferto."

(Jupiter, in offering You this libum bread I pray good prayers in order that, pleased with this offering of libum bread, You may be favorable to us and our children, to our homes and our households.)

"Iovis pater, uti te libo obmovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Jupiter, for the same reasons given when offering to You libum bread with good prayers, may You be warmed by this small portion of our wine.)

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, rex Deorum, qui res publicas Novas Romanas nunc custodis defendisque, sicut res publicas maiorum nostrorum Romanorum custodivisti defendistique, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

(Iuppiter Best and Greatest, King of the Gods, who protects and defends the public affairs of Nova Roma just as You protected and defended the public affairs of our Roman ancestors, to You it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may You be honored by this feast offering.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Iuno, regina Deorum, quae materne nunc Senatum Populumque Novum Romanum nutris, sicut Senatum Populumque Romanum in tempore maiorum nostrorum nutrivisti, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

(Iuno, queen of the Gods, who maternally nurtures the Senate and People of Nova Roma just as She nurtured the Senate and People of Rome in the time of our fathers, to You it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may You be honored by this feast offering.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Minerva, sapientia aeterna, quae recte res publicas Novas Romanas ducis, sicut res publicas maiorum nostrorum Romanorum duxisti, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

(Minerva, eternal wisdom, who rightly guides the public affairs of Nova Roma just as She rightly guided the public affairs of our Roman fathers, to You it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may You be honored by this feast offering.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Salus, benefactrix Senatus Populique Romani et fideiussorix salutis nostrae, quae Novam Romam conservas, sicut Romam antiquam conservavisti, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

(Salus, benefactor of the Roman Senate and People and guarantor of our well-being, who preserves Nova Roma just as She preserved ancient Rome, to You it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may You be honored by this
feast offering.)

A libation of wine is made.

"Concordia, dea pacis et fortitudinis Senatus Populique Novi Romani ac conservatrix et auctrix concordiae nostrae, quae Novam Romam conservas, sicut Romam antiquam conservavisti, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

(Concordia, Goddess of the peace and strength of the Nova Roman Senate and People and guarantor and auctor of our well-being, who preserves Nova Roma just as she preserved ancient Rome, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may you be honored by this feast offering.)

Libation of wine is made.



IV. REDDITIO


Hands are washed in preparation for the redditio.

"Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

(May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses the air.)

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, rex Deorum, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto."

(Iuppiter Best and Greatest, king of the Gods, may You be honored by this feast offering, may You be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

"Iuno, regina Deorum, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto."

(Iuno, queen of the Gods, may You be honored by this feast offering, may You be honored by the small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

"Minerva, sapientia aeterna, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto."

(Minerva, eternal wisdom, may You be honored by this feast offering, may You be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

"Salus, benefactrix Novae Romae, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto."

(Salus, benefactrix of Nova Roma, may You be honored by this feast offering, may You be honored by the small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.
"Concordia, dea pacis et fortitudinis NovaeRomae, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto."

(Concordia, god of the peace and strength of the Nova Roma, may you be honored by this feast offering, may you be honored by the small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.


"Quirine pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Quirinus, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Mars pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Mars, by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were prayed well, for the sake of this be honored by this by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Iane pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Ianus, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Dea Vesta, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto."

(Goddess Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Vesta, perpetuorum custos ignium, vos publica voce obtestor atque
precor: custodi serva protege hanc Rem Publicam liberam, hunc populum, hos consules, pacem concordiamque constantem Rei Publicae nostrae tribue."

(Vesta, perpetual guardian of fire, to You the public voice calls and prays: may You guard, preserve, and protect this Free Republic, this People, these consuls; may You grant peace and steadfast concord for our Republic.)

"Nil amplius vos hodie posco, superi, satis est."

(No more, Gods on High, do I ask of You today; it is enough.)

"Ilicet. Di deaeque omnes, superi atque inferi, vos semper ament et felicitam volunt."

(Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you and wish you happiness in all that is good.)

"Vadite in pace Deorum!"

(Go now in the peace of the Gods.)

And those observing the rite respond:

"Di immortales faciant, tam felix quam pium."

(May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious.)



V. PIACULUM


[I concluded with a piaculum to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, Iuno, Miverva, and Salus in the event I might have done anything during the ceremony that might be displeasing to the Immortals.]

"Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva, Salus, Concordia, Di Immortales, si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio."

(Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, Iuno, Minerva, and Salus, Concordia, Immortal Gods, if anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this by this small portion of wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.)

Libation of wine is made.

Di Immortales Romae civibus Novis Romanis et praesentibus et futuris faveant!

May the Immortal Gods of Rome bless the citizens and future Citizens of Nova Roma.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72932 From: marcus.lucretius Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: New magistrates
Agricola Omnibus Sal.

This is a reminder that according to the Lex Cassia Iunia de iusiurando, magistracies are vacant until the oath of office is performed publicly, usually here on the Main List.

The oath of office can be found here:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Oath_of_office_(Nova_Roma)

The Latin text can be found by following the link to the "Lex Iunia de iusiurando" and then selecting the "Latin" link.



optime valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72933 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: a. d. III Nonas Ianuarias: Pax Augustus
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Vos quod fexitis, Deos omnes fortunare velim.

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est: sacrum Paci Augusti; Cancer occidit, tempestas varia.

"Since vows are fulfilled and undertaken both for the welfare of our lord Marcus Aurelius Severus Alexander Augustus and for the security of the Empire of the Roman People, to Jupiter Optimus Maximus an ox, to Juno Regina a cow, to Minerva a cow, to Jupiter Victor an ox, to Juno Sospita a cow, ... to Mars Pater a bull, to Mars Victor a bull, to Victoria a cow." ~ Fasti Durarum, III Nones Ian.

"Let Pax tend our fields. Bright Pax, first to lead the cow under the yoke to plow the fields, Pax, who nourished the vine and stored the juice of grapes so that pure wine might flow for the sone from the father's jar. In peace shall shine the hoe and the ploughshare, but decay masters the sad arms of the harsh soldier in the darkness. Pax, Goddess of Peace, O come to us, nourishing Pax, holding in Your hand the wheat stalk with its tassels, and let pour forth a harvest of fruit from the shining bosom of Your robe!" ~ A. Tibullus I.10.45-50, 67-68

"By the authority of the Senate, a part of the Praetors and Tribuni Plebis, with Consul Quintus Lucretius and the leading men, was sent to meet me in Campania, which honor had been decreed for no one but me until that time. When I returned to Rome from Spain and Gaul, having successfully accomplished matters in those provinces, when Tiberius Nero and Publius Quintilius were Consuls (13 B.C.E.), the senate voted to consecrate the Ara Pacis Augusti in the Campus Martius for my return, on which it ordered the magistrates and priests and Vestal virgins to offer annual sacrifices." ~ Caesar Augustus, Res Gestae Divi Augusti 12

Vowed in 13 BCE, the Ara Pacis Augusti was dedicated on 30 January 9 BCE. The date of the vow, 3 January, which followed the day on which an emperor received his potens tribunicia, became the date on which special vows were made to the Gods on behalf of the emperor's health. One example is seen above in the military calendar from Dura Europa, from 223-227 CE during the reign of Alexander Severus. Another example is found among the Acta Fratrum Arvalum.

"Jupiter Optimus Maximus, if You will grant Emperor Caesar Domitianus Augustus Germanicus, son of the divine Vespasian, pontifex maximus, having powers of the tribune of the people, censor in perpetuity, father of his country, and Dimitia Augusta, his wife, and Julia Augusta, for those whom I have named and also for all those others whom I have not named who live in their households on the third day before the Nones of January, and after them the people of Rome, the Quirites, and also for the Republic of the people of Rome, the Quirites, and if from this day You will preserve their health from peril, whereby they remain as they are today, or indeed their lot is improved by good results, on behalf of those for whom I speak, (the Arvales Fratres), if You will preserve them as they are in their present state now, or improved upon for the better, then, as You will have made this so, in the name of the college of the Fratres Arvales I vow to You an ox with horns gilt in gold."

In addition to Jupiter Optimus Maximus, the Fratres Arvales sacrificed to Juno Regina, Minerva, and to Salus Publica on this occasion to benefit the health of Domitianus and the imperial family. For Hadrian the Fratres Arvales again sacrificed to Jupiter Optimus Maximus, Juno Regina, Minerva, and to Salus Publica, and added sacrifices as well for Jupiter Victor, Mars Pater, Mars Victor and Victoria, as in the fasti Durarum, and continued further with sacrifices to Fortuna Redux, Neptunus, Vesta, and Hercules. This was the sole function of the Fratres Arvales, to benefit the health and welfare of the emperor. They never performed an ambularia or in any other way blessed agricultural fields. Their Acta shows that they were never consistent in their rituals from year, or even in what deities they invoked. Not even the Dea Dia appears in every year of their records. But no matter how many or how few Fratres were present at Rome, on 3 January they always sacrificed to the Gods that They might safeguard the emperor, and thereby the Empire.


AUC 647 / 106 BCE: Birth of M. Tullius Cicero at Arpinum.

"It is said that Cicero was born, without travail or pain on the part of his mother, on the third day of the new Calends,2 the day on which at the present time the magistrates offer sacrifices and prayers for the health of the emperor. It would seem also that a phantom appeared to his nurse and foretold that her charge would be a great blessing to all the Romans. 2 And although these presages were thought to be mere dreams and idle fancies, he soon showed them to be true prophecy; for when he was of an age for taking lessons, his natural talent shone out clear and he won name and fame among the boys, so that their fathers used to visit the schools in order to see Cicero with their own eyes and observe the quickness and intelligence in his studies for which he was extolled, though the ruder ones among them were angry at their sons when they saw them walking with Cicero placed in their midst as a mark of honour." ~ Plutarch, Life of Cicero 2.1-2


Our thought for today is from Seneca, Epistle 39:

"Words should be scattered like seed; no matter how small the seed may be, if it has once found favourablc ground, it unfolds its strength and from an insignificant thing spreads to its greatest growth. Reason grows in the same way; it is not large to the outward view, but increases as it does its work. Few words are spoken; but if the mind has truly caught them, they come into their strength and spring up. Yes, precepts and seeds have the same quality; they produce much, and yet they are slight things. Only, as I said, let a favourable mind receive and assimilate them. Then of itself the mind also will produce bounteously in its turn, giving back more than it has received."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72934 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Re: Oath of Office MMDCCLXIII Titus Flavius Aquila, Curule Aedile
Gratulatio!
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


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From: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com; novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 7:17:53 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Oath of Office MMDCCLXIII Titus Flavius Aquila, Curule Aedile



T. Flavius Aquila Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit !

I bow to the Gods and Goddesses of Roma, especially to Iuppiter, Fortuna et Mercurius.

I hope that 2763 auc will bring our Republic Nova Roma a prosperous year and further positive development
to reach our main goals.I will do everything possible to support this.

Thus I take my oath :

Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.
Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), officio aedilis curulis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse iuro.
Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), religioni romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.
Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), officiis muneris aedilis curulis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.
Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus aedilis curulis una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.
Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXIII P.Albucio K.Buteo II coss.

I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), do solemnly swear to uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act always in the best interests of the People and Senate of Nova Roma.
As Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State religion.
I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Curule Aedile to the best of my abilities.
On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the gods and goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the office of Curule Aedile and all the rights, privileges, obligations and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Given under my hand IV Nonas Ianuarias, MMDCCLXIII P.Albucius K.Fabius twice, consuls

Titus Flavius Aquila Curule Aedile Nova Roma





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72935 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Latin phrase for the day
Salvete



A bene placito - At one's pleasure



Valete



Tiberius Galerius Paulinus





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72936 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Oath of Office (english text)
I, Gaia Maria Caeca (Shoshana Hathaway) do
hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act
always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova
Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaia Maria Caeca (Shoshana Hathaway) swear
to honor the Gods and Goddesses of
Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my
public and private life.

I, Gaia Maria Caeca (Shoshana Hathaway) swear
to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova
Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as
the State Religion.

I, Gaia Maria Caeca (Shoshana Hathaway) swear
to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaia Maria Caeca (Shoshana Hathaway)
further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the
office of quaestor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of quaestor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Given from my hand this 3rd day of January in the 2,763rd year of the City.

(I will post the Latin translation as soon as I can.)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72937 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE - PLEBEIAN TRIBUNE
I, TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
people
and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS (Gabriel Nogueira
Bastos Soledade), swear
to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
the
Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), swear to
uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
a
way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), swear to
protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), further swear
to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of to the best of
my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Plebeian Aedile and all the
rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant
thereto.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72938 From: iulia_arria Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Oath of office - quaestrix.
Aula Arria Carina quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit:

Ego, Aula Arria Carina, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Aula Arria Carina, officio quaestricis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse iuro.

Ego, Aula Arria Carina, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Ego, Aula Arria Carina, officiis muneris quaestricis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus quaestricis una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

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I, Aula Arria Carina (Ariana Zavoianu) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Aula Arria Carina (Ariana Zavoianu) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Aula Arria Carina (Ariana Zavoianu) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Aula Arria Carina (Ariana Zavoianu) swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Aula Arria Carina (Ariana Zavoianu) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of quaestrix to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of quaestrix and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

-----

Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXIII P.Albucio K.Buteo II coss.

A. Arria Carina
Quaestrix Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72939 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Mortars /Villa
Ladies and Gentlemen;

Just a quick note for those who may have an interest, I have entered
a couple of magazine reviews about a famous Civil War Personage, and a
brief history of mortars with some pictures, as well as a villa update.

Respectfully,

Marcus Audens

http://LivingHistoryEngineer.blogspot.com

http://RomanStudies,blogspot.com


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72940 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Oath of Office, latin text
Ego, C. Maria Caeca, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper
pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.

Ego, C. Maria Caeca, officio quaestricis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque
Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes
Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse iuro.

Ego, C. Maria Caeca, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et
numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti
capiat iuro.

Ego, C. Maria Caeca, officiis muneris quaestricis me quam optime functurum
esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus quaestricis una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72941 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-01-03
Subject: Oath of office - custos
Ego, Lucia Livia Plauta, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensuram, et
semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Lucia Livia Plauta, officio custodis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque
Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes
Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse IVRO.

Ego, Lucia Livia Plauta, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam defensuram, et
numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti
capiat IVRO.

Ego, Lucia Livia Plauta officiis muneris custodis me quam optime functuram
esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus custodis una cum iuribus, privilegiis,
muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

_________________

I, Lucia Livia Plauta (Livia Cases) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people
and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucia Livia Plauta swear to honor the Gods
and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues
in my public and private life.

I, Lucia Livia Plauta swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the
State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Lucia Livia Plauta swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova
Roma.

I, Lucia Livia Plauta further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of custos to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of custos and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72942 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-04
Subject: Re: New magistrates
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Lucretio Agricolae quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
>
> Agricola Omnibus Sal.
>
> This is a reminder that according to the Lex Cassia Iunia de iusiurando,
> magistracies are vacant until the oath of office is performed publicly,
> usually here on the Main List.
>
> The oath of office can be found here:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Oath_of_office_(Nova_Roma)
>
> The Latin text can be found by following the link to the "Lex Iunia de
> iusiurando" and then selecting the "Latin" link.
>
> ATS: It is worth noting that female magistrates should use the feminine
> version of the Latin oath, which should be below the masculine one. Latin is
> a language which possesses a property called grammatical gender, and in this
> case, grammatical gender is in accordance with that of biology. The future
> infinitives (that I will execute the duties, etc.) must agree in gender with
> the person who takes the oath, and for women end in -uram, not -urum, as they
> do for men. Both are accusatives in indirect statement, but one is for
> males, and the other is for females.
>
> optime valete
>
>
> Vale, et valete.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72943 From: Vladimir Date: 2010-01-04
Subject: Oath of office - quaestor.
Ego, Aulus Vitellius Celsus (Vladimir Popov), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper
pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Aulus Vitellius Celsus (Vladimir Popov), officio Quaestoris Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque
Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas
publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse iuro.

Ego, Aulus Vitellius Celsus (Vladimir Popov), Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et
numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat
iuro.

Ego, Aulus Vitellius Celsus (Vladimir Popov), officiis muneris Quaestoris me quam optime functurum
esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate
favoreque eorum, ego munus Quaestoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus
et officiis comitantibus accipio.

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I, Aulus Vitellius Celsus(Vladimir Popov) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and
the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Aulus Vitellius Celsus(Vladimir Popov) swear to
honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the
Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Aulus Vitellius Celsus(Vladimir Popov) swear to uphold and defend the Religio
Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that
would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Aulus Vitellius Celsus(Vladimir Popov) swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Aulus Vitellius Celsus(Vladimir Popov) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of quaestor to the best of my
abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

-----

Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXIII P.Albucio K.Buteo II coss.

A. Vitellius Celsus
Quaestor Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72944 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-04
Subject: a. d. III Nonas Ianuarias: Compitalia; Battle of Ruspina
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Satin si cui homini dei esse bene factum volunt, aliquo illud pacto optingit optatum piis? Di vos inculumes custodiant

Hodie est ante die pristini Nonas Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est: Compitalia; Media hiemps, Auster multus, interdum pluvia.

"On the day before the Nones of January, according to Caesar's computation, the Dolphin rises in the morning." ~ C. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.64

Compitalia

"The fixed days are those of which I have already spoken; now I shall speak of those annual festivals for which there are not fixed days. The Compitalia is a day assigned to the Lares of the highways. Therefore where the highways meet (competent), sacrifice is then made at the crossroads (compita). This day is appointed each year." ~ M. Terrentius Varro, Lingua Latina 6.25

The Compitala, not being a feriae stativa, was proclaimed each year by the Praetor. It fell between Saturnalia (17 Dec.) and the Nones of January (7 Jan.), but generally towards the end of this period. In Nova Roma we celebrate it on 18 January,because that is a. d. III Non. Ian. according to the Julian Calendar. The formula for announcing this festival, usually proclaimed on 1 Jan. or shortly after, had the Praetor say:

"On the ninth day the Roman people, the Quirites, will celebrate the Compitalia; when they shall have begun, legal business ceases." ~ Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae 10.24.3

In the countryside the compita were formed at the intersections of lanes that separate property lines. In parceling out land, the commissions established by the Gracchi would erect inscribed stones as boundary markers, and these may have served as a type of country altar. Mention by Florus and Apuleius of large, naturally occurring rocks on country estates on which libations are poured would indicate anthropic altars of Silvanus. Boundary markers and piles of stones were different, for, being erected by humans, they held numina of the genii of those who erected them. On a family farm, those piles of stones would therefore be thought to hold the numina of one's ancestors, and those of the ancestors of one's neighbors. Thus neighbors might meet there to celebrate Compitalia together, as Ovid described of Terminalia. However the Compitalia refers more to the intersection of public highways. A traveler along the Roman roads might pray to the Lares Viales for protection.

"Lares Viales, I call upon you to kindly protect me." ~ T. Maccius Plautus, Mercator 865

Coming upon an intersection, a traveler would often leave an offering for Mercurius that included a stone, much as one would place a stone or pebble at the family lararium each year on his or her birthday. After a while a pile of stones would built up into a type of altar on which offerings might be left. We know, for example, that at Feralia offering were placed at crossroads for those Lares that we generally call Lemures. There is really little or no difference between Lares Viales, Lares Compitiales, or the Lemures, they are all spirits of the dead who travel along the roadways. These can include spirits of animals as well as humans; it is really more a matter of how you think of them. Like the rustic altars, the compita of public highways held the numina of those who had past long ago and offered sacrifice at the altar. That is, the Lares Viales and Lares Compitales were fellow travelers in a sense. Just as merchants and pilgrams might travel together for added protection, they called upon their spiritual companions as well.

As at other festivals for the Lares, proper offerings should include water for travelers to wash, milk as a libation, olive oil, honey, bread, red flowers, incense, and perhaps fruit and nuts. These offering are properly placed on pottery shards or broken vessels or otherwise on crudely woven platters of reeds, rather than on fine cups and dishes as you might use in offering to the celestial Gods or to your family Lares.


"Is it not enough that when the Gods wish us well, our piety is rewarded?" ~ T. Maccius Plautus, Rudens 1193-5


AUC 707 / 46 BCE: The Battle of Ruspina

"Caesar crossed the strait from Rhegium to Messana and went to Lilybaeum. Here, learning that Cato was guarding the enemy's magazines with a fleet and a part of the land forces at Utica, and that he had with him the 300 men who had for a long time constituted their council of war and were called the Senate, and that the commander, L. Scipio, and the flower of the army were at Adrumetum, he sailed against the latter. He arrived at a time when Scipio had gone away to meet Juba, and he drew up his forces for battle near Scipio's very camp in order to come to an engagement with the enemy at a time when their commander was absent. Labienus and Petreius, Scipio's lieutenants, attacked him, defeated him badly, and pursued him in a haughty and disdainful manner until Labienus's horse was wounded in the belly and threw him, and his attendants carried him off, and Petreius, thinking that he had made a thorough test of the army and that he could conquer whenever he liked, drew off his forces, saying to those around him, "Let us not deprive our general, Scipio, of the victory." In the rest of the battle it appeared to be a matter of Caesar's luck that the victorious enemy abandoned the field when they might have won; but it is said that in the flight Caesar dashed up to his whole line and turned it back and seizing one of those who p405carried the principal standards (the eagles) dragged him to the front. Finally, Petreius retired and Caesar was glad to do the same. Such was the result of Caesar's first battle in Africa." ~ Appian, The Civil Wars 2.95

Julius Caesar had boldly, some might say recklessly, sailed to Africa in winter with only one veteran legion, Legio V Alaude, and five legions of raw recruits. Along the way he lost most of his cavalry and what little supplies he had prepared to take with him. It was characteristic of Caesar in his earlier campaigns to rush his legions ahead with little thought to his logistics, and this time he was doubly harmed by the winter winds. He made his camp near Ruspina. With three legions of raw recruits he set off to forage the country. His former subordinate in Gallia, Titus Labienus, led an army of superior light Numidian cavalry. The year before a similar force had surrounded Caesar's general Curio and wiped out the Caesarian army. The Numidians employed mounted archers in hit and run tactics like those the Parthians had used to destroy Crassus at Carrhae only seven years early. Now Caesar found himself with few cavalry of his own, surround by a superior force, using unfamiliar tactics. The first problem he faced was trying to keep his own legions under control. Caesar formed his legions into a square. The Numidian cavalry circled round his formation, closing only to fire their arrows into the ranks of Caesar's formation. As the Numdians closed Caesar's raw recruits would break ranks to throw their javelins after the retreating the Numidian cavalryt. But then the exposed legionaries would be surrounded by more cavalry and cut down before they could be supported. Caesar's army was slowly being decimated by Labienus. Caesar next formed his legions into two lines facing in opposite directions, with his flanks guarded by his few remaining cavalry. He then advanced outward in both directions, pushing the Numidians back towards either side of the valley he was in. Then he turned to flee down the valley to a low hill. In a third phase of this running retreat, Labienus was reinforced by another Republican armyof Numidian cavalry and light infantry under Petreius. The Numidians again closed around Caesar as he made his stand on the hill. But when first Labienus and then Petreius were wounded, putting their armies into somewhat a confusion, Caesar beat a hasty retreat towards his camp. Actually there are two versions. Caesar posed it as an orderly retreat, repeated by the author of Bellum Africanum. Other commentators posed it as a route. Either way, Caesar reportedly lost a third of his force and posed it as a victory that his defeat had not been total as occurred to Crassus or Curio before him.


Today's thought is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 4.18:

"How much trouble he avoids who does not look to see what his neighbour says or does or thinks, but only to what he does himself, that it may be just and pure; or as Agathon says, look not round at the depraved morals of others, but run straight along the line without deviating from it."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72945 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2010-01-04
Subject: Oath of office, Diribitor
Salvete Quirites


I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme) do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and
to act always in the best interests of the people and
the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Arminius Maior
(Marcos Boehme) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses
of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme) swear to
uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State
Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way
that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme) swear to
protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme) further swear
to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the
office of Diribitor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the
presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people
and by their will and favor, I accept the position of
Diribitor and all the rights, privileges, obligations,
and responsibilities attendant thereto.


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Ego, Marcus Arminius Maior, hac re ipsa decus Novae
Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque
Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Arminius Maior, officio Diribitoris Novae
Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae
vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes
Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse
IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Arminius Maior, Religioni Romanae me
fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius
statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti
capiat IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Arminius Maior officiis muneris
Diribitoris me quam optime functurum esse praeterea
IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque
populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus
Diribitoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et
officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.



Valete
Marcus Arminius Maior
Diribitor


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72946 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-04
Subject: Welcome to the Blog!!
Senator / Consul Quintillianus:

Welcome sir, to the "Roman Studies" blog. Again my thanks for your
very generous reservation of a plot of land on Palatine Hill which has
enabled me to construct the townhouse villa for my business and
pleasure in the Divine City. The house is nearly finished, and the
preliminary plans for a "Seaside" Villa are on the sketch-board. My
thanks again.

Very Respectfully;

Marcus Audens

http://RomanStudies.blogspot.com

http://LivingHistoryMilitaryEngineer.blogspot.com




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72947 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-01-04
Subject: Re: OATH OF OFFICE - PLEBEIAN TRIBUNE
C. Petronius Dexter T. Arminio Geniali s.p.d.,

In doing this oath of office, I am glad that you have accepted to be the colleague of App. Galerius Aurelianus as Plebeian Aedile, and you positively answered to the former tribune of the Plebs C. Vipsanius Agrippa asking you at the end of his message which he posted on December 1st about the results of the elections.

So, amice, be welcomed among the magistrates of the Plebs.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Tribunus Plebis

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Arminius Genialis" <tagenialis@...> wrote:
>
> I, TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), do hereby
> solemnly swear to uphold
> the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
> people
> and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS (Gabriel Nogueira
> Bastos Soledade), swear
> to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
> the
> Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
>
> I, TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), swear to
> uphold and defend the
> Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
> a
> way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
>
> I, TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), swear to
> protect and defend the
> Constitution of Nova Roma.
>
> I, TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), further swear
> to fulfill the
> obligations and responsibilities of the office of to the best of
> my abilities.
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
> Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
> do I accept the position of Plebeian Aedile and all the
> rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant
> thereto.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72948 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Compitalia Decretum
E. Iunia Laeca et M. Hortensia Maior praetrices: Senatui Populoque Novo Romano, Quiritibus, omnibusque: salutem plurimam dicunt:



Iubemus vos bono animo esse!

Ante diem XV Kalendas Februarias populo Novo Romano Quiritibus Compitalia erunt; quando concepta fuerint, dies nefastus esto.

Praetores edicunt, ut omnes sacella sacra aperiantur, supplicationesque fiant.

Datum est Nonas Januarias, P. Memmio et K. Fabio Buteoni consulibus, anno MMDCCLXIII AUC.




The Praetrices Equestria Iunia Laeca and Marca Hortensia Maior send salutations to the Senate and People of Nova Roma, the Quirites, and to All others:



We wish you to be of Good Cheer!

On the eighteenth day of January, the Nones of January, the Roman people, the Quirites, will celebrate the Compitalia; when they shall have begun, legal business ceases.

The Praetores proclaim that (on this day) all shrines are to be opened and thanksgivings offered.

Given in the Consulship of P. Memmius Albucius and K. Fabius Buteo II, 5 January 2010 CE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72949 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Attention graphic designers, NR needs your help!
Salvete,

I'll repost this appeal for our graphic professionals:

We are in need of a couple of graphic designers for making design to
NR online systems. If you are a professional designer and willing to
put in some hours of work for our res publica, then please contact NR
CIO (that is me) privately for details.

Valete,

C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Senator - Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Thules

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
thule.novaroma.org



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72950 From: Quinta Fabia Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Oath of Quinta Fabia
Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensuram, et
semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, officio diribitoris Novae Romae accepto, deos
deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et
virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse IVRO.

Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam defensuram,
et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti
capiat IVRO.

Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla officiis muneris custodis me quam optime
functuram esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus custodis una cum iuribus, privilegiis,
muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

_________________

I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla (Ana Rodriguez) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to honor the
Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as
the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
Nova Roma.

I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of custos to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of diribitrix and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72951 From: Quinta Fabia Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Fwd: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
Salvete

here is my oath reworded.


Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensuram, et
semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, officio diribitoris Novae Romae accepto, deos
deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et
virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse IVRO.

Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam defensuram,
et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti
capiat IVRO.

Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla officiis muneris diribiritrix me quam optime
functuram esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus diribitrix una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

_________________

I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla (Ana Rodriguez) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to honor the
Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as
the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
Nova Roma.

I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of diribitrix to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of diribitrix and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72952 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: NONAE IANUARIAE: VICA POTA
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Vos quod fexitis, Deos omnes fortunare velim

Hodie est Nonae Ianuariae; haec dies nefastus est: Vicae Potae; Fidis exoritur mane; tempestas varia.

"The rain pelting from black storm clouds will signal the nones, as Lyra rises." ~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.315-316

AUC 459 / 294 BCE: Dedication of the Temple of Victoria upon the Palatine Hill

"(Consul L. Postumius) previous to his departure he dedicated the temple to Victory which he had, when curule aedile, built out of the proceeds of fines." ~ Titus Livius 10.33.9

Greek legend said that Victoria was the daughter of Pallas, the son of Lycaon. When Minerva was born, Jupiter gave Her to Pallas to be raised. Thus Minerva and Victoria were raised together, as though sisters, and She later made Victoria a winged messenger of the Gods. Dionysius of Halicarnassus said, "Upon the summit of the (Palantine) hill (Evander) set apart the precinct of Victory and instituted sacrifices to Her also, lasting throughout the year, which the Romans performed even in my time. (1.32.5)." This would appear to have been on the northern side of the Palatine, near where the Clivus Victoriae , ascending the western side of the hill from the Velabrum (Festus 262), suddenly turns right. This older site, attributed to Evander, would have been a sanctuary of Vica Pota. Who exactly Vica Pota may have been, or what, had long been lost to the Romans by the time of Dionysius or Livius. It is not certain where Her locus may have been, but presumably a Temple of Victoria would have been built in a place already dedicated to Vica Pota.

Sometime during the Samnite Wars interpretatio Romana idenfied Vica Pota with the Samnite Goddess Victoria. It may be significant that Livy mentions L. Postumius dedicating Her temple in conjunction with his departure to join his colleague M. Atilius Regulus after suffering a defeat be the Samnites near Sora.

"The Samnites, relying on their movements being concealed, came on in the dim twilight - what light there was being obscured by the fog-and reached the outpost in front of the gate who were keeping a careless look-out, and who being thus attacked unawares had neither the strength nor the courage to offer any resistance. After disposing of the guard they entered the camp through the decuman gate and got possession of the quaestor's tent, the quaestor, L. Opimius Pansa, being killed. Then there was a general call to arms. The consul roused by the tumult ordered two of the allied cohorts, those from Luca and Suessa, which happened to be the nearest, to protect the headquarters' tent, and then he mustered the maniples in the via principalis. They got into line almost before they were in proper fighting trim, and they located the enemy by the direction of the shouting rather than by anything that they could see; as to his numbers they were quite unable to form any estimate. Doubtful as to their position they at first retreated, and thus allowed the enemy to advance as far as the middle of the camp. Seeing this the consul asked them whether they were going to be driven outside their rampart, and then try to recover their camp by assaulting it. Then they raised the battle-shout and steadily held their ground until they were able to take the offensive and force the enemy back, which they did persistently without giving him a moment's respite, until they had driven him outside the gate and past the rampart. Further than that they did not venture to go in pursuit, because the bad light made them fear the possibility of a surprise. Content with having cleared the enemy out of the camp they retired within the rampart, having killed about 300. On the Roman side, the outpost who were killed and those who fell round the quaestor's tent amounted to 230. The partial success of this daring maneuver raised the spirits of the Samnites, and they not only prevented the Romans from advancing but they even kept the foraging parties out of their fields, who had consequently to fall back on the pacified district of Sora." ~ Titus Livius 10.32-33

This was undoubtedly a set back for the Romans, forced as they were to retire from the frontier back to Sora. Much of Livy's account of the Samnite Wars is garbled legends that were handed down from different family histories. Those stories tried to put the best light on Rome, but it is clear that the Samnites had the best of the Romans much of the time. As with Veii, the Romans possibly sought to win over the Samnite Gods to their side. Since Victoria, or so it would seem, was the Goddess from whom the Samnites attributed their victories, the Romans would have sought Her aid as well, providing Her with a Roman cultus to win Her over to their side. Indeed, a battle such as Atilius experienced, with his camp nearly overrun, may have appeared to have had Victoria change sides in the middle of battle, and thereby have saved his army. L. Postimius, receiving the report from Atilius, may have offered Her a thanksgiving, and called upon Her at the beginning of his campaign to secure Her support, just as Camillus had called upon Juno Regina Veii in an earlier time. Livy would have us think that L. Postumius had first vowed a temple to Victoria years earlier, before his departure on a campaigm against the Samnites. So much of what Livy wrote about this period was contracted, and with events projected back into earlier times, that we cannot be certain on the actual course of events during the Samnite Wars.

The only thing that can be said here is that Victoria was the first of the abstract deities introduced to Rome, and that She was first introduced from the Samnites. Her image as a winged Goddess arrived a little more than twenty years later (AUC 481 / 272 BCE) in the form of a statue of Athene taken from Tarentum after the departure of Pyrrhus. A coin was struck around the same time, possibly commemorating Rome's victory against Pyrrhus, with Roma depicted on one side and winged Victoria on the other. She is generally depicted as descending from the heavens to award the Wreath of Victory as a gift from the Gods and thus is She seen holding the wreath above the head of a victorious general, or over the helm of Roma.


The thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 7.28:

"Retire into thyself. The rational principle which rules has this nature, that it is content with itself when it does what is just, and so secures tranquility."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72953 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Nonae Ianuariae: Sacrum Iunonis Covellae
M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus: Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum ex patriae et omnibus: salutem plurimam dicit:

Hoc Agete!

Sacrum Iunonis Covellae

Ave Dea aeterna, tenes vetusta delubra, castissima Iuno Covella, cuius sanctitas cordi Diis est. Te, Dea, adoramus tuumque nos numen invocamus. Iuno, uti tibi in illis libris scriptum est quarumque rerum ergo quodque melius sit populo Novo Romano Quiritibus tibi sacrum fiat. Te, Dea, quaeso precorque te his donis obmovendis bonas preces precor uti sis volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, tribunis Plebei Novae Romanae, Senatui Novo Romano, quaestoribus et magistratibus omnibus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, nobis, domibus familiisque nostris. Macte his donis.

Iuno Covella, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces praecor ut sis volens propitia nobis liberisque notris domibus familiisque nostris.

Huc ades, castissima Iuno Covella, te hoc libo strueque obmovendo bonas preces precor ut sis volens propitia nobis liberisque notris domibus familiisque nostris. macte hoc ferto.

DIE QUINTI TE KALO, IUNO COVELLA

IANUARIUS

Mensis Ianuarius dies XXXI : Nonae quintanae : dies horarum VIIII dodrantis : nox horarum XIIII quadrantis : Sol Capricorno : Tutela Iunonis : Palus aquitur salix harundo caeditur sacrificant dis Penatibus

1 F KAL Vediove Aesculapio, Strenae
2 F dies ater
3 C
4 C
5 F NON VICAE POTO/ VICTORIA
6 F dies ater
7 C
8 C
9 NP AGONALIA Iano
10 C
11 NP CARMENTALIA Iuturnalia
12 C
13 NP EIDUS FERIAE IOVI
14 EN dies ater
15 NP CARMENTALIA
16 C Concordia
17 C
18 C Compitalia
19 C Sementivae feriae.
20 C
21 C
22 C
23 C
24 C
25 C
26 C
27 C CASTORIS
28 C
29 C
30 C (Ara Pacis Augustae)
31 C (Hecate)

Iuno Covella macte ista libatione pollicenda sint, macte lacti inferio sint.

Illicet. Di immortales faciant, tam felix quam pia.

Nil amplius vos hodie posco, superi, satis est.

_________________


A sacrificial ritual for Juno Covella is performed this day, the Nonae Ianuariae:

Hail, Juno Covella, eternal Goddess, You who dwells in ancient temples, shining gloriously upon the Arx, most chaste Mother, whose sanctity is pleasing to the hearts of the Gods, You are the brilliant lily whom Jupiter cherished before all others. You are the Great Goddess, Queen of the Gods. You, Goddess, we adore. We invoke Your presence among us. Come. Make what we ask to be readily and easily accomplished, and draw our thanks, Goddess Juno, that, in fidelity, You do rightly merit. Juno, as it is prescribed for you in those books – and for this reason may every good fortune attend the Roman people, the Quirites – let sacrifice be made to you. I beg and pray that in making this offering to you, I pray with good prayers, that You look favorably on us and our household and our homes; may this offering strengthen and honor You.

To you, Juno Covella, I offer flowers in winter and incense of orris root.

Juno Covella, in offering to You this incense I pray good prayers that You will look kindly and favorably upon our children and upon us, on our homes and on our households.

Come, most chaste Queen of Heaven, in offering You this libum and strues bread I pray good prayers in order that, pleased with this offering of libum bread, You may be favorable toward us and to our children, to our houses and our households. May You be honored in this.


The festivals to be celebrated in the month of Ianuarius, dedicated to Janus and Juno, are as given above.

I pour a libation of honeyed milk for You, Juno Covello.

Juno Covella, may You be strengthened by this libation, may You be honored by this portion of milk.

Then in silence I sit to await signs that my offerings on behalf of the Cives of Nova Roma have been accepted. When these are seen I rise and turn about.

Thus is it done; may the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious.

No more, Gods on High, do I ask of You today; it is enough.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72954 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Sacrum Vicae Potae
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex Maximus: Consulibus, Senatoribus Patribus Mátribusque Conscriptís, Populo Novo Romano, Quiritibus omnibusque: salutem plurimam dicit:

Today, after sunrise here, I shall perform the annual sacrum for the Victoria Augusta, Vica Pota. This ritual is described below.


SACRUM VICAE POTAE

I. INITIUM

Praeco dicit: "Hoc agite! Ite procul, sacer est locus, ite profani!"


II. PRAEFATIO

Washing his hands in preparation for the Praefatio the Praeses says:

"Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

(May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses the air.)

Praeco dicit:

"Adeste dique hominesque sacris. Procul hinc, procul ite nocentes: insontes castosque voco."

(Come, be present, Gods and men, to these holy rites. Begone, you wicked folk, begone far from here. I call only upon the innocent and the chaste.)

Praeses dicit:

"Pro Senatu Novo Romano, ego, M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex Maximus dico, edico:"

(For the Senate and People of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, the Pontifex Maximus say and announce:)

"Iane Iunoni, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novo Romano."

(Janus Junonius, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers, so that You may be propitious to me, to the Senate and to the People of Nova Roma.)

Bay leaves are placed in the focus of the altar.

"Iane Iunoni, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Janus Junonius, having offered to You this incense virtuous prayers were well prayed; for the sake of (these same reasons) be honored by this small portion of wine.)

A libation of wine is poured.

"Iuno Coellone, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novo Romano."

(Juno Coellone, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers, so that You may be propitious to me, to the Senate and to the People of Nova Roma.)

Bay leaves are placed in the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Coellone, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Juno Coellone, having offered to You this incense virtuous prayers were well prayed; for the sake of (these same reasons) be honored by this small portion of wine.)

A libation of wine is poured.


III. PRECATIO

Hands are washed in preparation for the Precatio:

"Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

(May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses the air.)

"Victoria Divina, custos et domina rei secundae nostrae, perinde ac legiones patrum nostrorum duxisti ut tellurem antiquam in Romanitatem adducerent, duce nos ut etiam amplius beneficia Romanitatis vulgemus. Ut recte nos in deliberationibus nostris regas et in amplexum sacrum tuum hos Quirites Novae Romae comprehendas te oro."

(Holy Victory, guardian and lady of our success, even as You led the legions of our forefathers to bring Romanitas to the ancient world, lead us that we may spread the benefits of Romanitas yet further. I beseech You that You rightly guide us in our deliberations and take into Your holy embrace the Quirites of Nova Roma.)

"Victoria Augusta, uti tibi in illeis libreis scriptum est, quarumque rerum ergo, quodque melius siet populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, tibi hoc sacrum fiat: te quaeso precorque, uti imperium maiestatemque populi Novi Romani Quiritium auxis, utique incolumitatem sempiternamque victoriam valetudinemque populo Novo Romano Quiritibus des, faveasque populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Remque Publicam Liberam populi Novi Romani Quiritium salvam serves, maioremque facias, uti sis volens propitius populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Senatui Novo Romano, sacerdotibus populi Novi Romani, nobis, domibus, familiis, et uti huius sacrifici acceptor sies; harum rerum ergo macte esto fito volens propitius populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Senatui Novo Romano, sacerdotibus Novis Romanis, nobis, domibus, familiis."

(Victoria Augusta, as it is prescribed for You in the (sacred) books – and for this reason may good fortune attend the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites – let sacrifice be made to You. I ask and I pray that You may increase the imperium and majesty of the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites; and that You may grant eternal safety, victory and health to the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites; and that You may protect the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites; and that You may
keep safe and make greater the Free Republic of the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites, and that You may be favorable and propitious to the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites, to the Senate of Nova Roma, to the priests and priestesses of the people of Nova Roma, to us, to our
homes, and to our households; and that You may accept this sacrifice. For these reasons may You become strengthened and honored with this sacrifice, may You become favorable and propitious to the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites, to the Senate of Nova Roma, to the priests and priestesses of the people of Nova Roma, to ourselves, to our homes, and to our households.)

"Victoria Augusta, te hoc libo obmovendo bonas preces precor, uti sis volens propitius nobis liberisque nostris, domibus familiisque nostris, mactus hoc ferto."

(Victoria Augusta, in offering You this libum bread I pray good prayers in order that, pleased with this offering of libum bread, You may be favorable to us and our children, to our homes and our households.)

The Praeses offers cakes of libum.

"Victoria Augusta, uti te libo obmovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Victoria Augusta, for the same reasons given when offering to You libum bread with good prayers, may You be warmed by this small portion of our wine.)

The Praeses pours a libation of wine.


"Victoria Augusta, qui res publicas Novas Romanas nunc custodis defendisque, sicut res publicas maiorum nostrorum Romanorum custodivisti defendistique, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

(Victoria Augusta, who protects and defends the public affairs of Nova Roma just as You protected and defended the public affairs of our Roman ancestors, to You it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may You be honored by this feast offering.)

A libation of wine is poured.


IV. REDDITIO

Hands are washed in preparation for the redditio.

"Victoria Augusta, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto."

(Victoria Augusta, may You be honored by this feast offering, may You be honored by this small portion of wine.)

A libation of wine is poured and an offering of cake is given.

"Iuno Coellone, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto."

(Juno Coellone, may You be honored by this feast offering, may You be honored by the small portion of wine.)

A libation of wine is poured, and a cake offered.

"Iane Iunoni, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto."

(Janus Junonius, may You be honored by this feast offering, may You be honored by this small portion of wine.)

A libation of wine is poured, and a cake offered.

"Dea Vesta, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto."

(Goddess Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honored by this small portion of wine.)

A libation of wine is poured.

"Vesta, perpetuorum custos ignium, vos publica voce obtestor atque precor: custodi serva protege hanc Rem Publicam liberam, hunc populum, hos consules, pacem concordiamque constantem Rei Publicae nostrae tribue."

(Vesta, perpetual guardian of fire, to You the public voice calls and prays: may You guard, preserve, and protect this Free Republic, this People, these consuls; may You grant peace and steadfast concord for our Republic.)

"Nil amplius vos hodie posco, superi, satis est."

(No more, Gods on High, do I ask of You today; it is enough.)

"Ilicet. Di deaeque omnes, superi atque inferi, vos semper ament et felicitam volunt."

(Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you and wish you happiness in all that is good.)

"Vadite in pace Deorum!"

(Go now in the peace of the Gods.)

And those observing the rite respond:

"Di immortales faciant, tam felix quam pium."

(May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious.)



V. PIACULUM

[The Praeses concludes with a piaculum to Janus, Juno, and Victoria Augusta in the event that he might have done anything during the ceremony that might be displeasing to the Gods Immortal.]

"Iane Iunoni, Iuno Coellone, Victoria Augusta, Di Immortales, si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio."

(Janus Junonius Juno Coellone, Victoria Augusta, Immortal Gods, if anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this by this small portion of wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.)

A libation of wine is poured.

"Di Immortales Romae civibus Novis Romanis et praesentibus et futuris faveant!"

(May the Immortal Gods of Rome bless the citizens and future Citizens of Nova Roma.)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72955 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Re: new project
What number is the list up to now?
 
--- On Thu, 12/24/09, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:


From: C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] new project
To:
Cc: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 12:35 PM


 



Salvete omnes,

Ha! Thought I'd forgotten, didn't you? (grin). Nope, and here is reason

11. Learning Latin makes learning any other Romance language much easier.

Next?

C. Maria Caeca










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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72956 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Re: Fwd: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
Salve Drusilla,
I'm sorry but your oath still has a mistake. It should be "officiis muneris
diribiritricis" and "munus diribitricis".

Optime vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Quinta Fabia" <qfd.diribitrix.nr@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:30 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)


> Salvete
>
> here is my oath reworded.
>
>
> Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensuram,
> et
> semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter IVRO.
>
> Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, officio diribitoris Novae Romae accepto, deos
> deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et
> virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse IVRO.
>
> Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam
> defensuram,
> et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti
> capiat IVRO.
>
> Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla officiis muneris diribiritrix me quam optime
> functuram esse praeterea IVRO.
>
> Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
> voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus diribitrix una cum iuribus,
> privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.
>
> _________________
>
> I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla (Ana Rodriguez) do hereby solemnly swear to
> uphold
> the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
> people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to honor the
> Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
> Virtues in my public and private life.
>
> I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as
> the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
> threaten its status as the State Religion.
>
> I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
> Nova Roma.
>
> I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla further swear to fulfill the obligations and
> responsibilities of the office of diribitrix to the best of my abilities.
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
> Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
> position of diribitrix and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
> responsibilities attendant thereto.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72957 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Re: new project
Caeca Messalinae omnibusque sal,

we are ready for #12! When we get 15, I'll post the entire list so far ...just to prevent repeats, which we haven't had, yet, anyway, but also to catch people who were focused on other things (like celebrations) up.

Vale et valete bene,
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72958 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Latiin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
Salvete Livia amica omnesque;
yes Quinta Fabia is diribitrix, the feminine form just as Laeca and I are praetrix,

diribitor, diribitrix
praetor, praetrix
let's help the Quirites and decline these tricky nouns;-) Plural too!
optime valete
M. Hortensia Maior


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Drusilla,
> I'm sorry but your oath still has a mistake. It should be "officiis muneris
> diribiritricis" and "munus diribitricis".
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Quinta Fabia" <qfd.diribitrix.nr@>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:30 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
>
>
> > Salvete
> >
> > here is my oath reworded.
> >
> >
> > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensuram,
> > et
> > semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter IVRO.
> >
> > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, officio diribitoris Novae Romae accepto, deos
> > deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et
> > virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse IVRO.
> >
> > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam
> > defensuram,
> > et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti
> > capiat IVRO.
> >
> > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla officiis muneris diribiritrix me quam optime
> > functuram esse praeterea IVRO.
> >
> > Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
> > voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus diribitrix una cum iuribus,
> > privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.
> >
> > _________________
> >
> > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla (Ana Rodriguez) do hereby solemnly swear to
> > uphold
> > the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
> > people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
> >
> > As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to honor the
> > Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
> > Virtues in my public and private life.
> >
> > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as
> > the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
> > threaten its status as the State Religion.
> >
> > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
> > Nova Roma.
> >
> > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla further swear to fulfill the obligations and
> > responsibilities of the office of diribitrix to the best of my abilities.
> >
> > On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
> > Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
> > position of diribitrix and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
> > responsibilities attendant thereto.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72959 From: fauxrari Date: 2010-01-05
Subject: Re: Sacrum Vicae Potae
I just wanted to thank our Pontifix Maximus for these two very educating posts. Thank you for putting out the almost daily date-related posts as well. They have really helped to learn about the procedures and religion of Rome, which benefits me greatly in my role as priestess to Legio VI V.P.F.

Gratia,
L. Antonia Auriga
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72960 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: Latiin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Majori L. Liviae Plautae Q. Fabiae
> quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Salvete Livia amica omnesque;
> yes Quinta Fabia is diribitrix, the feminine form just as Laeca and I are
> praetrix,
>
> diribitor, diribitrix
> praetor, praetrix
> let's help the Quirites and decline these tricky nouns;-) Plural too!
>
> ATS: I think that the correct grammatical forms are included with the
> Latin text of the oath, but one must choose the correct word and the correct
> gender. A couple of the ladies used the masculine gender form, concerning
> which matter I have informed one of them.
>
> diribitrix, diribitricis (of a diribitrix), diribitrici (to/for a
> diribitrix), diribitricem (direct object), diribitrice (by a diribitrix).
> Plural: diribitrices, diribitricum (of diribitrices), diribitricibus (to/for
> diribitrices), diribitrices (direct object), diribitricibus. The vowel in the
> agent suffix -trix is long.
>
> Your turn for praetrix...
>
>
> optime valete
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "L.
> Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Salve Drusilla,
>> > I'm sorry but your oath still has a mistake. It should be "officiis muneris
>> > diribiritricis" and "munus diribitricis".
>> >
>> > Optime vale,
>> > Livia
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Quinta Fabia" <qfd.diribitrix.nr@>
>> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:30 AM
>> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
>> >
>> >
>>> > > Salvete
>>> > >
>>> > > here is my oath reworded.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensuram,
>>> > > et
>>> > > semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter IVRO.
>>> > >
>>> > > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, officio diribitoris Novae Romae accepto, >>>
deos
>>> > > deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et
>>> > > virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse IVRO.
>>> > >
>>> > > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam
>>> > > defensuram,
>>> > > et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid
>>> detrimenti
>>> > > capiat IVRO.
>>> > >
>>> > > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla officiis muneris diribiritrix me quam optime
>>> > > functuram esse praeterea IVRO.
>>> > >
>>> > > Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
>>> > > voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus diribitrix una cum iuribus,
>>> > > privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.
>>> > >
>>> > > _________________
>>> > >
>>> > > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla (Ana Rodriguez) do hereby solemnly swear to
>>> > > uphold
>>> > > the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
>>> > > people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>>> > >
>>> > > As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to honor
the
>>> > > Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the >>>
Roman
>>> > > Virtues in my public and private life.
>>> > >
>>> > > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana
as
>>> > > the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that >>>
would
>>> > > threaten its status as the State Religion.
>>> > >
>>> > > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
>>> > > Nova Roma.
>>> > >
>>> > > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla further swear to fulfill the obligations and
>>> > > responsibilities of the office of diribitrix to the best of my
>>> abilities.
>>> > >
>>> > > On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and
>>> > > Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept
the
>>> > > position of diribitrix and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
>>> > > responsibilities attendant thereto.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>> > >
>>> > >
>> >
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72961 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: new project
Salve Gaia Maria

Why not post what you have already, for those of us who were focused on other things? It might help us to recall other reasons.

Let's see. Reasons to learn Latin? To help with dating Catholic school girls? No, no, I knew more Latin than my wife ever did, and knowing her body parts in Latin just brought a confused look to her face. Hm, the better to curse out others with dignity? Nothing like a defixiatio to release some tension on the morons around you. Ah, knowing Latin gives you a way of better distinguishing herbs by their taxonomic designations, and understanding what the scientific names mean, which is rather essential if you practice herbalism.

Vale
Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Caeca Messalinae omnibusque sal,
>
> we are ready for #12! When we get 15, I'll post the entire list so far ...just to prevent repeats, which we haven't had, yet, anyway, but also to catch people who were focused on other things (like celebrations) up.
>
> Vale et valete bene,
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72962 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: a. d. VIII Eidus Ianuariae: The Epiphany Kore and Her virgin birth o
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos salvam et servatam volunt

Hodie est ante diem VIII Eidus Ianuariae; haec dies fastus aterque est:

Nocturnal rites for Kore (Proserpina) held.

"The ritual performed at the pit hard by [at Argos] they say was instituted by Nikostratos, a native. Even at the present day they throw into the pit burning torches in honour of Kore who is daughter of Demeter." ~ Pausanias 2.22.3

The nocturnal rites of Kore began on the night of 5 January. This was a vigil held for Proserpina on the eve of Her giving virgin birth to the Aion. It is described in the "Adversus Haereses" or "Panarion" of the Christian, Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis, where he draws a parallel to the Epiphany of Jesus that was once celebrated by Christians on this same day as the birth of Jesus (before 336 CE) and that is still held to be the feast of his Epiphany.

"First, at Alexandria, in the Koreum, as they call it, it is a very large temple, the shrine of Kore. They stay up all night singing hymns to the idol with flute accompaniment, and when they have concluded their nightlong vigil torchbearers descend into an underground shrine after the cock crows and brings up a wooden image which is seated naked on a litter. It has a sign of a cross inlaid with gold on her forehead, two other such signs one on each hand, and two other signs one actually on each of her two knees – altogether five signs with a gold impress. And they carry her image itself seven times around the innermost shrine with flutes, tambourines and hymns, hold a feast, and take it back down to its place underground. Then when you ask them what this mystery means they reply that on this day, at this hour, the Kore, that it, the Virgin, gave birth to Aio." ~ Epiphanius, Panarion 51.22.9-10

"Demeter, Goddess of abundance, Thou dost manifest Thyself both to the people of Sikelia and to the sons of Erekhtheus [the Athenians], but this among the dwellers in Hermione is judged a mighty feat: the bull of surpassing size from a herd, which not even ten men can master, this bull an aged woman, coming by herself, leads by the ear alone to this altar, and he follows as a child after its mother. Thine, even Thine, Demeter, is the power. Show us Thy favour and grant that every farm in Hermione may thrive exceedingly." ~ Aelian, On Animals 11.4


AUC 473 / 280 BCE: "King Pyrrhus of the Epirotes came to Italy to support the Tarentines."

"Consul [Publius] Valerius Lavinius unsuccessfully fought against Pyrrhus, especially because the soldiers were not used to the elephants and were terrified. After the battle, Pyrrhus inspected the bodies of the Romans that had fallen during the fight and noticed that they were all directed against their enemy. Pillaging the country, he proceeded to the city of Rome. The Senate sent Gaius Fabricius to Pyrrhus to negotiate the return of the prisoners-of-war. In vain, the king tried to persuade him to abandon his country. The prisoners were released without payment. Pyrrhus' deputy Cineas was sent to the Senate to organize the king's entrance into the city to negotiate a peace treaty. It was decided to discuss this matter with all senators, but Appius Claudius (who had not visited the deliberations for a long time because he suffered from an eye disease) came to the Senate and persuaded the senators with his speech not to give up."

"Gnaeus Domitius, the first plebeian censor, celebrated the lustrum ceremony. 287,222 citizens were registered. For the second time, the Romans fought unsuccessfully against Pyrrhus (AUC 474 / 279 BCE)."

"When consul Gaius Fabricius heard from someone who had fled from Pyrrhus, that he could poison the king, he sent him back to the king with a report of what he had done. Pyrrhus went to Sicily (AUC 475 / 278 BCE)." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 12.6 – 14.1

AUC 478 / 275 BCE: Pyrrhus returns to Italy

"There were many portents, and the statue of the Capitoline Jupiter was struck down by lightning. Its head was found by the seers. When consul Curius Dentatus was recruiting an army, he sold the possessions of a man who had not appeared. He defeated Pyrrhus, who had returned, and expelled him from Italy. Censor Fabricius removed former consul Publius Cornelius Rufinus from the Senate because he owned more than ten pounds of silverware. The censors celebrated the ritual cleansing [lustratio] of the state after 271,224 citizens had been registered." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 14.2-5

AUC 481 / 272 BCE: Death of Pyrrhus at Argos

"[The historic Makedonian general] Pyrrhos was wounded in the head [in an attack on the city of Argos]. It is said that his death was caused by a blow from a tile thrown by a woman. The Argives however declare that it was not a woman who killed him but Demeter in the likeness of a woman. This is what the Argives themselves relate about his end, and Lykeas, the guide for the neighborhood, has written a poem which confirms the story. They have a sanctuary of Demeter, built at the command of the oracle, on the spot where Pyrrhos died, and in it Pyrrhos is buried." ~ Pausanias 1.13.8

"The bones of [the historical Makedonian general] Pyrrhos lie in the sanctuary of Demeter [in the city of Argos], beside which, as I have shown in my account of Attika, his death occurred. At the entrance to this sanctuary of Demeter you can see a bronze shield of Pyrrhos hanging dedicated over the door." ~ Pausanias 2.21.4


Our thought for today is an Epicurian poem by Horace, titled "Carpe Diem":

Ask not - we cannot know - for you, for me,
What end the Gods have set, Leuconoë,
Nor attempt the Babylonian reckonings.
How much better to endure whatever comes,
Whether additional winters Jupiter grants us
Or whether this is our last, upon the barrier of the cliffs
Which now wears out the Tuscan Sea!
Be wise, strain the wine; and since life is brief,
prune back far-reaching hopes!
Even while we speak, envious time has passed:
Sieze the day, putting as little trust as possible in tomorrow!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72963 From: ugo21121970 Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Oath of office: Aedilis Curulis Minor
Salvete, Quirites!

(English)

I, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

I, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), accepting the office of Ædilis Curulis Minor, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Ædilis Curulis Minor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Ædilis Curulis Minor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

(Latine)

Ego, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), hac re ipsa decus Novæ Romæ me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novæ Romæ acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), officio Ædili Curuli Minori Novæ Romæ accepto, deos deasque Romæ in omnibus meæ vitæ publicæ temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), Religioni Romanæ me
fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me
acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), officiis muneris Ædili Curuli Minori me quam optime functurum esse præterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novæ Romæ honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Ædili Curuli Minori Novæ Romæ una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

A.D. VIII Id. Ian. MMDCCLXIII AUC P. Memmio K. Fabio Buteoni cos.

(Italiano)

Io, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), GIURO solennemente di sostenere l'onore di Nova Roma e di agire sempre nell'interesse del popolo e del Senato di Nova Roma.

Io, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), nell'atto di accettare la carica di Edile Curule Minore, GIURO di onorare gli Dei e le Dee di Roma nelle mie attività pubbliche, e di perseguire le virtù romane nella mia vita pubblica e privata.

Io, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), GIURO di sostenere e difendere la Religio Romana come Religione di Stato di Nova Roma e giuro di non agire mai in alcun modo che possa essere di detrimento alla sua condizione di Religione di Stato.

Io, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), GIURO di proteggere e difendere la Costituzione di Nova Roma.

Io, Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus (Ugo Coppola), GIURO altresì di adempiere al meglio agli obblighi ed alle responsabilità della carica di Edile Curule Minore.

Sul mio onore come Cittadino di Nova Roma, ed alla presenza degli Dei e delle Dee del popolo romano e per loro volere e favore, ACCETTO la posizione di Edile Curule Minore e tutti i diritti, i privilegi, gli obblighi e le responsabilità ad essa afferenti.

Addì 6 gennaio 2763 AUC / 2010, sotto il consolato di P. Memmius Albucius e K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus.

Optime valete omnes,
Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus
Ædilis Curulis Minor Novæ Romæ
Scriba Censoris TIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72964 From: aerdensrw Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: a. d. VIII Eidus Ianuariae: Kore and Her virgin birth of AION
P. Corva Gaudialis M. Moravio Horatio Piscino sal.

I would be very interested to know if this tale has any relation to later Christian gnosticism regarding Sophia and her emanation of the Demiurgos. This was fascinating to read.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
> M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos salvam et servatam volunt
>
> Hodie est ante diem VIII Eidus Ianuariae; haec dies fastus aterque est:
>
> Nocturnal rites for Kore (Proserpina) held.
>
> "The ritual performed at the pit hard by [at Argos] they say was instituted by Nikostratos, a native. Even at the present day they throw into the pit burning torches in honour of Kore who is daughter of Demeter." ~ Pausanias 2.22.3
>
> The nocturnal rites of Kore began on the night of 5 January. This was a vigil held for Proserpina on the eve of Her giving virgin birth to the Aion. It is described in the "Adversus Haereses" or "Panarion" of the Christian, Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis, where he draws a parallel to the Epiphany of Jesus that was once celebrated by Christians on this same day as the birth of Jesus (before 336 CE) and that is still held to be the feast of his Epiphany.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72965 From: Meg Godbout Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: new project
An excellent reason to know Latin (if this has not been posted already--I do
not know, and apologies if it is a repeat) is reading comprehension, both in
English and other languages. Knowing Spanish made learning Latin much easier
(and would make it vice versa as well, I imagine).

Regards,

Gaia Aurelia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72967 From: T. Fl. Severus Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Merry Christmas to orthodox Christians!
Orthodox Christians celebrate Christmas on seventh of January.

I would like to congratulate all orthodox Christians with this remarkable day! I
wish you, to have holiday with the relatives, in the bosom of the family, in
love and pleasure, in peace and consent!

Merry Christmas!

_____

Ïðàâîñëàâíûå õðèñòèàíå ïðàçäíóþò ðîæäåñòâî ñåäüìîãî ÿíâàðÿ.

Ìíå õîòåëîñü áû ïîçäðàâèòü âñåõ ïðàâîñëàâíûõ õðèñòèàí ñ ýòèì çàìå÷àòåëüíûì äí¸ì!
Õî÷ó ïîæåëàòü âàì, ïðîâåñòè ïðàçäíèê ñî ñâîèìè áëèçêèìè, â êðóãó ñåìüè, â ëþáâè
è ðàäîñòè, ìèðå è ñîãëàñèè!

Ñ÷àñòëèâîãî Ðîæäåñòâà!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72968 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: new project
Caeca Aureliae omnibusque sal,

Um, it's *sort* of a repeat ...but with a tweak here, and a touch there, it can easily and productively become reason 12! And it doesn't matter if it's a repeat ...it's a contribution, thus most welcome! Let the fun continue! Next?

Vale et valete optime,
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72969 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: new project
Caeca Piscino sal,

First, let me apologize for repeatedly misspelling your name (blush). Now ...as much as I enjoy you first 2 reasons ...I suspect ...they might not be totally appropriate for the WIKI presentation, LOL! I especially like the 2nd ...and have been sorely tempted, on occasion! The 3rd, however, is reason 13, and yes, I will post all of them ...just as soon as I finish a bit of ...endeavor ...on which I am working, rather diligently, at the moment (winks at my magistra). But ...not only is knowing the Latin meanings of plants and animals useful, it's interesting, too, and if you understand those meanings, it makes passing entry level biology and zoology tests *much* easier!

Vale et Valete bene,
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72970 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: New Blog
Salvete Romans,



I have created a blog to showcase articles from past editions of the Nova Roman newsletter the Eagle.

Please take a moment to check it out and give me your feed back and suggestions.

http://novaromaeagle.blogspot.com/

Valete,



Ti. Galerius Paulinus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72971 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: new project
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Caeca Piscino sal,
>
> First, let me apologize for repeatedly misspelling your name (blush). Now
> ...as much as I enjoy you first 2 reasons ...I suspect ...they might not be
> totally appropriate for the WIKI presentation, LOL!
>
> ATS: Indeed. Not to mention that a proper RC education would have almost
> guaranteed competency in Latin. It was required when I went to school.
> Cussing in Latin is definitely better than in the vernacular, however, as it
> is less likely to produce a very bad reaction on the part of the recipient,
> given that it probably would sail right over the head of same. ;-)
>
> I especially like the 2nd ...and have been sorely tempted, on occasion! The
> 3rd, however, is reason 13, and yes, I will post all of them ...just as soon
> as I finish a bit of ...endeavor ...on which I am working, rather diligently,
> at the moment (winks at my magistra).
>
> ATS: Gee, haven¹t you finished that section of the midterm yet? ;-)
> It¹s much shorter than the first one.
>
>
> But ...not only is knowing the Latin meanings of plants and animals useful,
> it's interesting, too, and if you understand those meanings, it makes passing
> entry level biology and zoology tests *much* easier!
>
> ATS: LOL! That it is! Names like atricapillus will never confuse you!
> Besides, some of them are good for humor: consider T. americanus.
>
> Vale et Valete bene,
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72972 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] New Blog
Salve Galeri!



I am not sure NR Announce list be the place to display such informations. ;-) The Forum Romanum, all our sodalitates' and our provinces' lists are the best channels to welcome this kind of news.



On the matter, for having myself used in the past the blogspot.com site, I appreciate it. In addition, your blog has a nice layout, and its contents is interesting (it is normal if they are the Aquila's one! ;-) ).



Aquila's development is something I care about as consul. We need a nice and well written Eagle, a regular and beautiful newsletter we would be proud of. Your work reminds us all this necessity, and that we must find means and ways to pick up our aquila and waive it again on the front of our ranks.



Please go on in your useful initiative. When the Aquila will be regularly available again, we may see how to link both publications, and to allow your blog to get the endorsement of the Republic.



Thanks again, et macte virtute!





P. Memmius Albucius cos.











To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com; novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com
From: spqr753@...
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:50:37 -0500
Subject: [NovaRoma-Announce] New Blog





Salvete Romans,

I have created a blog to showcase articles from past editions of the Nova Roman newsletter the Eagle.
Please take a moment to check it out and give me your feed back and suggestions.
http://novaromaeagle.blogspot.com/
Valete,

Ti. Galerius Paulinus




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72974 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-06
Subject: Re: Latin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
Maior Scholasticae omnbusque spd;
here we go, with thanks to Lentulus for the gen plural,
SINGULAR PLURAL
Nom; pratrix praetrices
Acc: praetricem praetrices
Gen; praericis praetricum
Dat: praetrici praetricibus
Abl: praetrice praetricibus

Voc: praetris praetrices

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Majori L. Liviae Plautae Q. Fabiae
> > quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> >
> > Salvete Livia amica omnesque;
> > yes Quinta Fabia is diribitrix, the feminine form just as Laeca and I are
> > praetrix,
> >
> > diribitor, diribitrix
> > praetor, praetrix
> > let's help the Quirites and decline these tricky nouns;-) Plural too!
> >
> > ATS: I think that the correct grammatical forms are included with the
> > Latin text of the oath, but one must choose the correct word and the correct
> > gender. A couple of the ladies used the masculine gender form, concerning
> > which matter I have informed one of them.
> >
> > diribitrix, diribitricis (of a diribitrix), diribitrici (to/for a
> > diribitrix), diribitricem (direct object), diribitrice (by a diribitrix).
> > Plural: diribitrices, diribitricum (of diribitrices), diribitricibus (to/for
> > diribitrices), diribitrices (direct object), diribitricibus. The vowel in the
> > agent suffix -trix is long.
> >
> > Your turn for praetrix...
> >
> >
> > optime valete
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "L.
> > Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Salve Drusilla,
> >> > I'm sorry but your oath still has a mistake. It should be "officiis muneris
> >> > diribiritricis" and "munus diribitricis".
> >> >
> >> > Optime vale,
> >> > Livia
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Quinta Fabia" <qfd.diribitrix.nr@>
> >> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:30 AM
> >> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
> >> >
> >> >
> >>> > > Salvete
> >>> > >
> >>> > > here is my oath reworded.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensuram,
> >>> > > et
> >>> > > semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter IVRO.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, officio diribitoris Novae Romae accepto, >>>
> deos
> >>> > > deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et
> >>> > > virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse IVRO.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam
> >>> > > defensuram,
> >>> > > et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid
> >>> detrimenti
> >>> > > capiat IVRO.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla officiis muneris diribiritrix me quam optime
> >>> > > functuram esse praeterea IVRO.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
> >>> > > voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus diribitrix una cum iuribus,
> >>> > > privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > _________________
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla (Ana Rodriguez) do hereby solemnly swear to
> >>> > > uphold
> >>> > > the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
> >>> > > people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to honor
> the
> >>> > > Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the >>>
> Roman
> >>> > > Virtues in my public and private life.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana
> as
> >>> > > the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that >>>
> would
> >>> > > threaten its status as the State Religion.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
> >>> > > Nova Roma.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla further swear to fulfill the obligations and
> >>> > > responsibilities of the office of diribitrix to the best of my
> >>> abilities.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
> and
> >>> > > Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept
> the
> >>> > > position of diribitrix and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
> >>> > > responsibilities attendant thereto.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72975 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: Re: Latin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Majori quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Maior Scholasticae omnbusque spd;
> here we go, with thanks to Lentulus for the gen plural,
>
> ATS: Pourquoi? Nescivistin¹?
>
> Nom; Pratrix ATS: praetríx... Nom. Plural Praetrices
>
> Gen; Praericis
>
> ATS: praetrícis...
>
> Gen Plural: Praetricum
>
> ATS: Qu¹est-ce c¹est passé au sujet des autres cas? La plupart des noms
> latins a dix formes. Did Latin suddenly lose the dative, accusative, and
> ablative? Quelques-uns en ont des vocatifs, ou des locatifs, etsi his carent.
>
> Spero verba Gallice recté scripta esse...aliter oculos velare debebitis.
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
> --- .
>>> > >
>>> > > diribitrix, diribitricis (of a diribitrix), diribitrici (to/for a
>>> > > diribitrix), diribitricem (direct object), diribitrice (by a
>>> diribitrix).
>>> > > Plural: diribitrices, diribitricum (of diribitrices), diribitricibus
>>> (to/for
>>> > > diribitrices), diribitrices (direct object), diribitricibus. The vowel
>>> in the
>>> > > agent suffix -trix is long.
>>> > >
>>> > > Your turn for praetrix...
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > optime valete
>>> > > M. Hortensia Maior
>>> > >
>>> > > Vale, et valete.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "L.
>>> > > Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@> wrote:
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Salve Drusilla,
>>>>> > >> > I'm sorry but your oath still has a mistake. It should be "officiis
>>>>> muneris
>>>>> > >> > diribiritricis" and "munus diribitricis".
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Optime vale,
>>>>> > >> > Livia
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > >> > From: "Quinta Fabia" <qfd.diribitrix.nr@>
>>>>> > >> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
>>>>> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:30 AM
>>>>> > >> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Salvete
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > here is my oath reworded.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
>>>>>>> defensuram,
>>>>>>> > >>> > > et
>>>>>>> > >>> > > semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse
>>>>>>> sollemniter IVRO.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, officio diribitoris Novae Romae
>>>>>>> accepto, >>>
>> > deos
>>>>>>> > >>> > > deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus
>>>>>>> culturum, et
>>>>>>> > >>> > > virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse
IVRO.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et
eam
>>>>>>> > >>> > > defensuram,
>>>>>>> > >>> > > et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne
quid
>>>>> > >>> detrimenti
>>>>>>> > >>> > > capiat IVRO.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Ego, Quinta Fabia Drusilla officiis muneris diribiritrix me
>>>>>>> quam optime
>>>>>>> > >>> > > functuram esse praeterea IVRO.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi
>>>>>>> Romani, et
>>>>>>> > >>> > > voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus diribitrix una cum
iuribus,
>>>>>>> > >>> > > privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > _________________
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla (Ana Rodriguez) do hereby solemnly
swear to
>>>>>>> > >>> > > uphold
>>>>>>> > >>> > > the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
>>>>>>> interests of the
>>>>>>> > >>> > > people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear
to honor
>> > the
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
>>>>>>> pursue the >>>
>> > Roman
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Virtues in my public and private life.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to uphold and defend the
>>>>>>> Religio Romana
>> > as
>>>>>>> > >>> > > the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a
>>>>>>> way that >>>
>> > would
>>>>>>> > >>> > > threaten its status as the State Religion.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla swear to protect and defend the
>>>>>>> Constitution of
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Nova Roma.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > I, Quinta Fabia Drusilla further swear to fulfill the
>>>>>>> obligations and
>>>>>>> > >>> > > responsibilities of the office of diribitrix to the best of my
>>>>> > >>> abilities.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of
the Gods
>> > and
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do
I accept
>> > the
>>>>>>> > >>> > > position of diribitrix and all the rights, privileges,
>>>>>>> obligations, and
>>>>>>> > >>> > > responsibilities attendant thereto.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72976 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: Re: Latin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
C. Petronius A. Tulliae Scholasticae s.p.d.,

>>> ATS: Qu¹est-ce c¹est passé au sujet des autres cas?

Ou: Qu'est-ce qui s'est passé au sujet des autres cas?
Ou: Que s'est-il passé...

>>> La plupart des noms latins a dix formes.

>>> Did Latin suddenly lose the dative, accusative, and
>ablative?<<<

Le latin autait-il subitement perdu le datif, l'accusatif et l'ablatif?

>>> Quelques-uns en ont des vocatifs, ou des locatifs, etsi his carent.

Quelques uns ont...

>>> Spero verba Gallice recté scripta esse...aliter oculos velare debebitis.

Optime est te in hoc Foro Gallice et Latine scribere!

Faustum et felicem novum annum tibi opto.

C. Petronius Dexter
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72977 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: Re: Latin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Petronio Dextro quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> C. Petronius A. Tulliae Scholasticae s.p.d.,
>
>>>> >>> ATS: Qu¹est-ce c¹est passé au sujet des autres cas?
>
> Ou: Qu'est-ce qui s'est passé au sujet des autres cas?
> Ou: Que s'est-il passé...
>
> ATS2: Did I actually get this right? :-)
>
>>>> >>> La plupart des noms latins a dix formes.
>
>>>> >>> Did Latin suddenly lose the dative, accusative, and
>> >ablative?<<<
>
> Le latin autait-il subitement perdu le datif, l'accusatif et l'ablatif?
>
> ATS2: autait?
>
>>>> >>> Quelques-uns en ont des vocatifs, ou des locatifs, etsi his carent.
>
> Quelques uns ont...
>
> ATS2: I debated whether to use the Œen¹ or not, but knowing the French
> love for the partitive...
>
>>>> >>> Spero verba Gallice recté scripta esse...aliter oculos velare
>>>> debebitis.
>
> Optime est te in hoc Foro Gallice et Latine scribere!
>
> ATS2: Gratias quam plurimas, et pro correctionibus aliis talibus!
>
> Faustum et felicem novum annum tibi opto.
>
> ATS2: Et tibi!
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72978 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: a. d. VII Eidus Ianuarias: The Feriale Cumanum of Augustus
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos servavissent semper

Hodie est ante diem VII Eidus Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est: Feriale Cumanum

AUC 710 / 43 BCE: The Feriale Cumanum celebrates the anniversary of when Octavius Augustus first assumed the imperium.

"At the age of nineteen, on my own initiative and at my own expense, I raised an army by means of which I restored liberty to the republic, which p347had been oppressed by the tyranny of a faction. For which service the senate, with complimentary resolutions, enrolled me in its order, in the consulship of Gaius Pansa and Aulus Hirtius, giving me at the same time consular precedence in voting; it also gave me the imperium." ~ Caesar Augustus, Res Geste 1.2

Octavian had turned nineteen on 23 Sept. 44 BCE. He raised his own private army by offering bounties to veterans of Julius Caesar, and later won over some of Anthony's men when the Senate agreed to pay them a bounty equal to what Octavian offered. On a motion by Cicero, the Senate approved his actions in November. By 2 Jan 43 BCE, "The Senate gave Gaius [Octavian] Caesar, who as a private citizen had built an army, the powers of a propraetor and the ornamenta consularia, and promised that he would be made senator (T. Livius, Perioche 118.2)." Then on this date, 7 Jan. 43 BCE, he officially assumed the imperium of a proconsul. The Senate then sent him north to support the Consuls Hirtius and Pansa, which led to the Battle of Mutina in April. In memory of these events, at a later time, this date took on a new significance with regard to the imperium of an emperor and the bounty owed to the legions:

"Because honorable discharge with enjoyment of privileges is given to men who have served their time or because salary is paid to the soldiers (on this date, sacrifices are made) to Jupiter Optimus Maximus an ox, to Juno a (white) cow, to Minerva a (white) cow, to Salus a (white) cow, to Mars Pater a bull." ~ Fasti Durarum, Dura
Europa papyrus no. 117

On this date, too, in some unknown year Tiberius Claudius Nero became a septemvir epulo. Tiberius came from a noble patrician family so it is a little strange that he should join this plebeian sacerdotal college. It was not unusual for an emperor, however, to be a member of all of the sacerdotal colleges. So does that suggest he was made an epulo after he ascended to the imperial throne? Not necessarily.


SUNDIALS

The Gods confound the man who first found out
How to distinguish hours! Confound him, too,
Who in this place set up a sundial
To cut and hack my days so wretchedly
Into small portions! When I was a boy,
My belly was my only sun-dial, one more sure,
Truer, and more exact than any of them.
This dial told me when 'twas proper time
To go to dinner, when I had aught to eat;
But nowadays, why even when I have,
I can't fall to unless the sun gives leave.
The town's so full of these confounded dials.
~ Aquilius (or Plautus), The Boeotian Woman Fr. V.21 Götz

"In the Twelve Tables, the rising and setting of the sun are the only things that are mentioned relative to time. Some years afterwards, the hour of midday was added, the summoner of the consuls proclaiming it aloud, as soon as, from the senate-house, he caught sight of the sun between the Rostra and the Græco stasis; he also proclaimed the last hour, when the sun had gone down from the Mænian column to the prison. This, however, could only be done in clear weather, but it was continued until the first Punic war. The first sun-dial is said to have been erected among the Romans twelve years before the war with Pyrrhus, by L. Papirius Cursor, at the temple of Quirinus, on which occasion he dedicated it in pursuance of a vow which had been made by his father. This is the account given by Fabius Vestalis; but he makes no mention of either the construction of the dial or the artist, nor does he inform us from what place it was brought, or in whose works he found this statement made.

"M. Varro says that the first sun-dial, erected for the use of the public, was fixed upon a column near the Rostra, in the time of the first Punic war, by the consul M. Valerius Messala, and that it was brought from the capture of Catina, in Sicily: this being thirty years after the date assigned to the dial of Papirius, and the year of Rome 491 (262 BCE). The lines in this dial did not exactly agree with the hours; it served, however, as the regulator of the Roman time ninety-nine years, until Q. Marcius Philippus, who was censor with L. Paulus, placed one near it, which was more carefully arranged: an act which was most gratefully acknowledged, as one of the very best of his censorship. The hours, however, still remained a matter of uncertainty, whenever the weather happened to be cloudy, until the ensuing lustrum; at which time Scipio Nasica, the colleague of Lænas, by means of a clepsydra, was the first to divide the hours of the day and the night into equal parts: and this time-piece he placed under cover and dedicated, in the year of Rome 595 (158 BCE); for so long a period had the Romans remained without any exact division of the day." ~ C. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 7.60


The thought of today is from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 35:

"Don't spoil what you have by desiring what you don't have; but remember that what you now have was once among the things only hoped for."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72979 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: Re: Latin for offices (was: Oath of Quinta Fabia (Correction)
C. Petronius A. Tulliae Scholasticae s.p.d.,


> > ATS2: autait?

Oops... lapsus claviaturae... aurait.

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72980 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: Re: New Blog
Senator Paulinus;

The blog looks good to me. I enjoyed the articles, and I am sure that
others will as well.

Nice touch, with the blog colors and decoration.

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens

http://RomanStudies,blogspot.com

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72981 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: Ludi Apollinares
Ex Officio Praetricus Equestriae Iuniae Laecae et M. Hortensiae Maioris Quiritibus Novae Romae spd;

in accordance with traditon the praetrices will be giving the Ludi Apollinares in honour of Apollo: prid. Non.-III Id. Quinct. (July 9-13)

all citizens are invited to start inspiring, discussing and encouraging one another in their projects:

visual:
photographs, drawings, paintings, metalwork, sculpture,etc

performance:

Original works: music, songs, poems, histories
Classical works: instrumental performance, plays,

From the very outset I pray to You, Apollo, inventor of music and of all the healing arts, come to my aid and this undertaking; bless it with Your laurel.
Ovid Remdia Amoris 75-6

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Prayers_to_Apollo

And cult statue and article on Apollo
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Apollo#_note-0

Great Apollo inspire the quirites;
so your name is sung over the 4 quarters of the earth!

Equestria Iunia Laeca, Praetrix Maior
M. Hortensia Maior, Praetrix Minor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72982 From: C. Cocceius Spinula Date: 2010-01-07
Subject: NRLusitania - New Yahoo Group for Regio Lusitania Novae Romae
C. Cocceius Spinula Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit.

I hereby announce the creation of the Regio Lusitania new mailing list, NRLusitania.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NRLusitania/

"This mailing-list is primarily aimed at Portuguese citizens of the
international community of Nova Roma but also welcomes anyone
interested in Roman culture and civilization in Lusitania. The list is intended to focus around the Lusitania Romana, allowing list members to share news of
recent excavations, exhibitions, lectures etc. in Portugal, and to
discuss issues and share ideas related to Roman Lusitania and the Roman
world in general."
(adapted)

The main objective of this list is to re-activate the connection between portuguese cives, as well as their continuous interest in Nova Roma and in the Roman civilazation and culture.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

Optime valete,
C. Cocceius Spinula

Provincia Hispania, Lusitania

Praefectus Regionis Lusitaniae

Senior Scriba Censoris TIS




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72983 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-08
Subject: a. d. VI Eidus Ianuarias: Capitolium Statues of the Seven Kings
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos servent cum vester.

Hodie est ante diem VI Eidus Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est: Iustitiae; Auster, interdum Favonius.

"Upon the sixth day before the Ides of January the Dolphin sets in the evening, and Italy has as many days of continuous cold." ~ C. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.64

AUC 766 / 13 CE: Consecration of the signum Iustitae Augustae by Tiberius.

The Seven Kings of Rome

In the temple precinct of the Capitolium there once stood statues a statue of Marcus Iunius Brutus alongside those of the seven Kings of Rome They predated the Gracchi (Appian, Civil Wars 1.16). Features described for some of them relate to another statue of Camillus near the rostrum and thus the statues of the Kings, or some of them, may date as earlier 350 BCE.

"As to the usage followed by the Roman kings, it is not easy to pronounce an opinion: the statue of Romulus in the Capitol wears no ring, nor does any other statue--not that of L. Brutus even--with the sole exception of those of Numa and Servius Tullius. I am surprised at this absence of the ring, in the case of the Tarquinii more particularly, seeing that they were originally from Greece, a country from which the use of gold rings was first introduced; though even at the present day the people of Lacedæmon are in the habit of wearing rings made of iron. Tarquinius Priscus, however, it is well known, was the first who presented his son with the golden bulla, on the occasion of his slaying an enemy before he had laid aside the prætexta; from which period the custom of wearing the bulla has been continued, a distinction confined to the children of those who have served in the cavalry, those of other persons simply wearing a leather thong. Such being the case, I am the more surprised that the statue of this Tarquinius should be without a ring." ~ C. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 33.4 (9-10)

Pliny also mentions that the statues of Romulus and Tatius showed them in togata sine tunica (34.11). Ssince Dio Cassius said that "there were eight such statues, seven to the kings, and an eighth to the Brutus who overthrew the Tarquins (43.45)" and Pliny mentions Romulus, Titus Tatius, Numa and Servius Tullius by name, which of the traditional Kings was not included among these statues? One might think that Brutus had been set up in place of Tarquinius Superbus, but Pliny mentions the Tarquinii as both being among these statues, so could it have beenTullus Hostilius or Ancus Marcius? My guess is that, due to the location near Jupiter's temple, it must have been Hostilius who was missing, and for a reason related to the story of his death:

"At this time it was reported to the king and the senate that there had been a shower of stones on the Alban Mount. As the thing seemed hardly credible, men were sent to inspect the prodigy, and whilst they were watching, a heavy shower of stones fell from the sky, just like hailstones heaped together by the wind. They fancied, too, that they heard a very loud voice from the grove on the summit, bidding the Albans celebrate their sacred rites after the manner of their fathers. These solemnities they had consigned to oblivion, as though they had abandoned their gods when they abandoned their country and had either adopted Roman rites, or, as sometimes happens, embittered against Fortune, had given up the service of the gods. In consequence of this prodigy, the Romans, too, kept up a public religious observance for nine days, either-as tradition asserts-owing to the voice from the Alban Mount, or because of the warning of the soothsayers. In either case, however, it became permanently established whenever the same prodigy was reported; a nine days' solemnity was observed. Not long after a pestilence caused great distress, and made men indisposed for the hardships of military service. The warlike king, however, allowed no respite from arms; he thought, too, that it was more healthy for the soldiery in the field than at home. At last he himself was seized with a lingering illness, and that fierce and restless spirit became so broken through bodily weakness, that he who had once thought nothing less fitting for a king than devotion to sacred things, now suddenly became a prey to every sort of religious terror, and filled the City with religious observances. There was a general desire to recall the condition of things which existed under Numa, for men felt that the only help that was left against sickness was to obtain the forgiveness of the gods and be at peace with heaven. Tradition records that the king, whilst examining the commentaries of Numa, found there a description of certain secret sacrificial rites paid to Jupiter Elicius: he withdrew into privacy whilst occupied with these rites, but because he did not begin the holy rites or conduct with proper care, not only did he receeive no sign from heaven, but the anger of Jupiter was roused by the false worship and perversion of religion rendered to Him, and the God blasted the king and his house with a bolt of lightning." ~ Titus Livius 1.31

In the first place, this story relates to Alba Longa, which Hostilius had levelled after he defeated the Albans in war. Along with the loss of Alba Longa was the loss of the Latin rites, older than Rome itself, that were owed to Jupiter latiaris. These would not be restored until Tarquinius Priscus with the feriae Latinae. Thus, it would seem the Gods, and especially Jupiter, were already angry with Hostilius. But then to offer sacred rites improperly, without care or proper solemnity, breaking the sacred trust that Numa Pompilius had gained from Jupiter, was more than Jupiter would tolerate. So it would seem to me inappropriate to place a statue of Tullus Hostilius among the Kings if those statues stood near the Capitolium that was the main Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus. It is a lesson repeated by ancient authors and one to remember.


Our thoughts for today are some precepts from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 7.38-44:

It is not right to vex ourselves at things,
For they care nought about it.

To the immortal Gods and us give joy.

Life must be reaped like the ripe ears of corn:
One man is born; another dies.

If Gods care not for me and for my children,
There is a reason for it.

For the good is with me, and the just.

No joining others in their wailing, no violent emotion.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72984 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-09
Subject: a. d. V Eidus Ianuariae: AGONIUM, Janus, and Priapus
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Dei vos annuant oro.

Hodie est ante diem V Eidus Ianuarias; haec dies nefastus est: Agonium; Auster, interdum imber.

Priapus

"May leafy shade shelter you, Priapus, and neither the hot sun nor snowy storms bring you harm." ~ Aulus Tibullus I.4.1

Before going on to discuss the Agonium as today's sacrum of the State religion we should note that today also celebrates rites for Priapus as guardian of the family garden.


Agonium

"The dies Agonales on which the Rex sacrifices a ram in the Regia, were named from agon for this reason, because the minister sacrificii asks, 'Agone?' ('Shall I do my work'). Unless it is from the Greek, where 'agon' means 'leader,' from the fact that the sacrifice is performed by the leader of the State and that the leader of the flock is sacrificed." ~ M. Terrentius Varro, Lingua Latinae 6.12

Festus derived the name of Agonium from 'agonia' as an older form than 'hostia' for the sacrificial victim. Then there was Agustinus who said that there was a god called Agonius. His explanation is thought to have been an invention, but it is possible that Janus may have been referred to by such a name at this sacrifice, introduced by the pontifices after the time of Varro and Ovid. In his usual manner, Ovid offers a few different ideas on this festival, all of which can be equally correct.

"Janus must be propitiated on the Agonalia. The day may take its name from the girded priest at whose blow the god's sacrifice is felled: Always, before he stains the naked blade with hot blood, he asks if he should (agone), and won't unless commanded.

"Some believe that the day is called Agonalia because the sheep do not come to the altar but are driven (agantur). Others think the ancients called this festival Agnalia, `of the lambs', dropping a letter from its usual place. Or because the victim fears the knife mirrored in the water, the day might be so called from the creature's agony? It may also be that the day has a Greek name from the games (agones) that were held in former times. And in ancient speech agonia meant a sheep, and this last reason in my judgement is the truth. Though the meaning is uncertain, the Rex Sacrorum must appease the Gods with the mate of a woolly ewe. It's called the victim because a victorious hand fells it: and hostia, sacrifice, from conquered hostile foes.

"Cornmeal and glittering grains of pure salt were once the means for men to placate the Gods. No foreign ship had yet brought liquid myrrh extracted from tree's bark, over the ocean waves: Euphrates had not sent incense, nor India balm, and the threads of yellow saffron were unknown. The altar was happy to fume with Sabine juniper, and the laurel burned with a loud crackling. He was rich, whoever could add violets to garlands woven from meadow flowers. The knife that bares the entrails of the stricken bull had no role to perform in the sacred rites." ~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.317-348

For the Agonium the Rex Sacrorum sacrificed a ram in the Regia, almost undoubtedly, to Janus. Janus is said to have been called Agnonius, through which the sacrifice took its name (Augustunus, Civ. Dei 4.11.16). These three important elements – Janus, the Rex Sacrorum, and the Regia – rather than antiquarian speculations and priestly invention, bring us to the very foundations of the religio Romana. At its core is the culti Deorum of the home and family. Janus is Guardian of the entrance to the home, as Vesta is Guardian of the Hearth, the inner sanctum of the home. In the Carmen Salii He is the "God of Gods," Deus Deorum, and He is duonus Cerus, the "Good Creator." "Janus, who was before all the Gods, to whom our parents first invoked in their prayers, from whom all things proceed (Festus s. v. Chaos)." He is variously called – Geminus (Twin), Patuleius (the Opener of the Years), Matutinus (the Beginning of the Day). He is the first to greet any visitor to the family home, and likewise He is the Gate Keeper through whom access is found to the other Gods (Ovid, Fasti 1.171-174). He is offered wine and cakes before all other deities (ibid. Cato, De Agricultura 134). His name comes first in the order of deities invoked in a devotio (Livy 8.9.6). Always is He recognized in this manner:

"Sower of the years, Janus, beginning of the shining and most beautiful world, with You begins our prayers and public vows." ~ Martial, Epigrammata 10.28.1-2

We see then, too, that the special priest of Janus is the Rex Sacrorum. In the most ancient order of the priests in the Collegium Pontificum, the Rex Sacrorum stood first in dignity, followed respectively by the flamen Dialis, flamen Martialis, and flamen Quirinalis, and lastly by the Pontifex Maximus with two other pontifices (Festus 185). The Vestales Virgines then followed the Collegium Pontificum in processions of later times, and they in turn were followed by the other collegia, sodalitates, and finally the flamines minores (Lucan Pharsalia I.584-638). An interpretation of the priesthoods holds that the Rex Sacrorum, standing in for the traditional kings of Rome, represented the head of an extended family living in one of the great houses. The flamines maiores then represented his sons and the Vestales his daughters. Among the deities served by the flamines maiores – Jupiter, Mars, and Quirinus (Romulus) there is another familial relationship of father, son, and grandson. Janus, represented by His priest in this order, may then be seen as though He corresponds to the Lar familiaris, the originating patriarch of the household.

Something to consider here is the matter of when a Rex Sacrorum was first introduced. Servius Tullius was not chosen king in the traditional manner. He did not take the title of king (Rex) but instead fashioned himself as Magister Populi. He was a tyrant in the same sense as his contemporaries Peisistratus of Athens and Lygdamis of Naxos, basing his political power in the urban artisans and tradesmen, and with small farmers and herdsmen of the countryside against the aristocratic families of large rural estates. The Rex Sacrorum may have then been introduced around 578 BCE to serve in the ritual roles of the traditional Rex. Another thought is that his office was introduced after 509 BCE with the establishment of the Republic.

The final ingredient to the Agonium is then the Regia. A single surviving marker shows that the place had originally been set off as a templum. The earliest construction of the Regia consisted of a courtyard and to two chambers behind a portico with a space left between these. In the Regia were held the sacra of Ops Consive and that of Mars including the hasta Marti and the sacred shield send down by Jupiter to King Numa, along with the ancillae. The second phase of construction just expanded the courtyard to include both sacella more. In the mid-sixth century, one cella was removed and a great hall added on the northern side. It was in this period that the frieze plaques appeared bearing images of panthers, lions, minotaurs, and birds, disc acroteria, antefixes of gorgons and female heads, and possibly terracotta statuary as well. In its decoration in this period, under Servius Tullius, we see the influx of motifs from the eastern Mediterranean. Near the end of his reign, traditionally in 534 BCE, the Regia burnt down. Under Tarquinius Superbus the Regia was reoriented, the two cellas transferred from the western end to the eastern, with a vestibule between them. It is at this point that Janus Matutinus, the rising sun filling the cellas with light, could have been brought together with his other aspects as seen in later times. In its final phase at the end of the 6th century, supposedly with the expulsion of Tarquinius Superbus, the Regia was transformed. This was when it became a porticus house like those found elsewhere in Latium at this time in Ficana, Torrino, and most clearly at Satricum. It is rectangular, rather than irregular in form. It consisted of three chambers, fronted by a portico that opened onto a courtyard. This early type of urban great house began, with the final phase of the Regia construction, to be adopted as a style used for temples, just as the distinctly different atrium house was being introduced along the Via Sacra.

From this very early period remain also only fragments of the Carmen Salii addressed to Janus:

"Arise, O Consus, arise. All things, truly, I entrust to Patulcium the Opener. Now You are Janus the Gatekeeper, now Cerus the Good Creator, now Janus the God of Good Beginnings. Come, now most especially, You who are the better of these kings. Dance before the Father of the Gods, give thanks to the God of Gods." ~ Varro, Lingua Latinae 7.26; 7.27


A thought for today, in honor of Janus, comes from Sextus, Selected Sentences 4 through 6:

"God is a light incapable of receiving its contrary, darkness. You have within yourself something similar to God, and therefore use yourself as the temple of God, on account of that which in you resembles God. Honor God above all things that He may rule over you."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72985 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-01-09
Subject: EDICTUM CENSORIUM I DE OFFICIO CENSORIO.
EDICTUM CENSORIUM I DE OFFICIO CENSORIO.

Edictum I Censoris T. Iulii Sabini.

1. SENIOR ADVISORS.
To assist the censor in legal and political matters:
- Cn. Equitius Marinus.
- D. Iunius Palladius Invictus.

2. CAPUT OFFICII CENSORII.
To supervise the activity of the entire cohort and all censorial lists.
- Senior scriba: A. Tullia Scholastica.

3. OFFICIUM APPROBATIONUM ET COMMUNICATIONIS.
To distribute applications among the scribes, process them, handle all emails which come to the censorial address, are responsible about the training of new scribes and edit the "Censor protected pages" on the Nova Roma Wiki. If necessary they can recommend other scribes to fulfill the daily routine of this post.
3.1. Caput officii:
- Senior scriba censoris: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.
Primary languages: English, Latin, Hungarian.
Secondary language: Italian.
3.2. Scribae officii:
- Senior scriba censoris: M. Iulius Severus.
Primary language: Spanish.
Secondary language: English.

4. OFFICIUM CIVIUM NOVORUM.
To process citizenship applications, translate the censorial letters in various languages.
4.1. Caput officii:
- Senior scriba censoris: C. Cocceius Spinula.
Primary languages: English, Portuguese and Spanish.
Secondary language: French.
4.2. Scribae officii:
- Senior scriba censoris: P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus.
Primary language: Italian.
Secondary language: English.
- Senior scriba censoris: T. Flavius Aquila.
Primary language: German.
Secondary language: English.
- Scriba censoris: L. Livia Plauta.
Primary languages: English, Italian.
Secondary languages: Hungarian, French.
- Scriba censoris: M. Octavius Corvus.
Primary language: Russian.
Secondary language: English.

5. OFFICIUM INVESTIGATIONIS.
To make investigations of the history of Roman names and other historical and religious censorial works.
- Senior scriba censoris: A. Tullia Scholastica.
- Senior scriba censoris: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.

6. CONSILIUM ONOMASTICUM ("Triage" Onomastic Advisory Board).
a) To advise the scribes of the Censorial Officium Approbationum and in onomastic questions. The advice of the "Triage" OAB shall be considered as an order to the Approbation Scribes, unless Censors dispose of it otherwise.
b) To advise the Censor in onomastic questions. The advice of the "Triage" OAB does not bind the Censor.
6.1 Scribae consilii:
- Consiliaria Onomiastica: A. Tullia Scholastica.
- Consiliarius Onomasticus: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.
- Consiliarius Onomasticus: C. Petronius Dexter.

7. Rogator P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator (and his future colleague) assists the censor in conformity with Nova Roma's laws and edicts, processes citizenship applications in English, ensures that voters have voter codes and are properly assigned to centuries and tribes.

8. Senior scriba censoris Cn. Cornelius Lentulus act as personal assistant of the censor in various matters.

9. No oath shall be required. This edict takes effect immediately.

Given under my hand this 9th day of January 2763 A.U.C. in the
consulship of P. Memmius and K. Buteo II coss.

T. Iulius Sabinus
Censor.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72986 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-01-10
Subject: Re: EDICTUM CENSORIUM I DE OFFICIO CENSORIO.
C. Petronius T. Sabino censori s.p.d.,


> Edictum I Censoris T. Iulii Sabini.
>
> 1. SENIOR ADVISORS.
> To assist the censor in legal and political matters:
> - Cn. Equitius Marinus.

Gratulations! I am glad to see that you do not leave all your links with Nova Roma.

[...]

> 6. CONSILIUM ONOMASTICUM ("Triage" Onomastic Advisory Board).
[...]
> 6.1 Scribae consilii:
> - Consiliaria Onomiastica: A. Tullia Scholastica.
> - Consiliarius Onomasticus: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.
> - Consiliarius Onomasticus: C. Petronius Dexter.

Thank you to make me consiliarius onomasticus with such estimable individuals.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter a.d. IV Idus Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss Arcoiali scribebat.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72987 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-10
Subject: a. d. IIII Eidus Ianuarias: Alea iacta est.
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus simus.

Hodie est ante diem IIII Eidus Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est:

"The following dawn marks the mid-point of winter, and what remains will equal what has gone." ~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.459-460

Prelude to Civil War

"It was said, indeed, that one of Caesar's centurions who had come back to Rome and was standing near the senate-house, when he heard that the senate would not give Caesar a prolongation of his term of office, struck his hand upon his sword: "But this will give it." And Caesar's intrigues and preparations had this purpose. And yet the requests and demands which Curio made in behalf of Caesar seemed to be very popular in their character. For he demanded one of two things: either that Pompey also should be required to give up his soldiery, or else that Caesar's should not be taken away from him; for whether they became private persons on just and equal terms, or remained a match for each other with their present forces, they would make no disturbance; but he who weakened one of them doubled the power of which he stood in fear. To this Marcellus the consul replied by calling Caesar a robber, and urging that he be voted a public enemy unless he should lay down his arms.

"But when Pompey began to levy recruits, some refused to obey the summons, and a few came together reluctantly and without zest, but the greater part cried out for a settlement of the controversy. For Antony, in defiance of the senate, had read before the people a letter of Caesar containing propositions which were attractive to the multitude. He asked, namely, that both Pompey and he should give up their provinces, disband their armies, put themselves in the hands of the people, and render an account of what they had done. 3 But Lentulus, who was by this time consul, would not call the senate together; Cicero, however, who was just returned from Cilicia, tried to effect a settlement of the dispute on these terms, namely, that Caesar should renounce Gaul and dismiss the rest of his forces, but should retain two legions and Illyricum, and wait for his second consulship. 4 And when Pompey was dissatisfied with this, the friends of Caesar conceded that he should dismiss one of the two legions; but since Lentulus still opposed, and Cato cried out that Pompey was blundering again in allowing himself to be deceived, the settlement came to naught." ~ Plutarch, Life of Pompeius Magnus 58.2-4; 59.2-4


AUC 704 / 49 BCE: Alea iacta est, Caesar crosses the Rubicon

"Being assured of the good will of the soldiers, he marched with that legion to Rimini, where he was met by the tribunes of the people, who had fled to him for protection He ordered the other legions to quit their winter quarters, and follow him with all expedition." ~ C. Iulius Caesar, De Bello Civilis 1.7

"The long and short of it is that Caesar himself, once our friend, has sent the Senate a menacing and offensive dispatch, and is so insolent as to retain his army and province in spite of the Senate, and my old friend Curio is backing him up. Furthermore, our friend Antonius and Q. Cassius, having been expelled from the house, though without any violence, left town with Curio to join Caesar, directly the Senate had passed the decree (7 Jan.)ordering 'consuls, praetors, tribunes, and us proconsuls to see that the Republic received no damage.' Never has the state been in greater danger: never have disloyal citizens had a better prepared leader. On the whole, however, preparations are being pushed on with very great activity on our side also. This is being done by the influence and energy of our friend Pompey, who now, when it is too late, begins to fear Caesar." ~ M. Tullius Cicero, Epistulae F. 16.11, To Tiro 12 January 49 BCE

"It was, by no means, a fair proposal, that Caesar should be obliged to quit Rimini and return to Gaul, while Pompey held provinces and legions that were none of his: that he should dismiss his army, whilst the other was levying troops: and, that only a general promise of going into Spain should be given, without fixing a day for his departure; by which evasion, was he to be found in Italy, even at the expiration of Caesar's consulship, he could not yet be charged with breach of faith. His forbearing too to appoint a time for a conference, and declining to approach nearer, gave little reason to hope for a peace. He therefore sent Antony to Arretium, with five cohorts; remained himself at Rimini, with two, where he resolved to levy troops; and seizing Pisaurum, Fanum, and Ancona, left a cohort in each for a garrison." ~ C. Iulius Caesar, De Bello Civili 1.10

"[Caesar] himself spent the day in public, attending and watching the exercises of gladiators; but a little before evening he bathed and dressed and went into the banqueting hall. Here he held brief converse with those who had been invited to supper, and just as it was getting dark and went away, after addressing courteously most of his guests and bidding them await his return. To a few of his friends, however, he had previously given directions to follow him, not all by the same route, but some by one way and some by another. He himself got into one of the hired carriages, and drove at first another way, but presently turned towards Ariminium. When he came to the river Rubicon, which parts Gaul within the Alps from the rest of Italy, his thoughts began to work, now he was just entering upon the danger, and he wavered much in his mind when he considered the greatness of the enterprise into which he was throwing himself, and often changed his opinion one way and the other, without speaking a word. This was when his purposes fluctuated most; presently he also discussed the matter with his friends who were about him (of which number Asinius Pollio [the historian] was one), computing how many calamities his passing that river would bring upon mankind, and what a relation of it would be transmitted to posterity. At last, in a sort of passion, casting aside calculation, and abandoning himself to what might come, and using the proverb frequently in their mouths who enter upon dangerous and bold attempts, "The die is cast," with these words he took the river. Once over, he used all expedition possible, and before it was day reached Ariminium and took it." ~ Plutarch, Life of Caesar 32.4-9

"And now word was brought that Caesar had seized Ariminum, a large city of Italy, and was marching directly upon Rome with all his forces. But this was false. For he was marching with no more than three hundred horsemen and five thousand men-at arms; the rest of his forces were beyond the Alps, and he did not wait for them, since he wished to fall upon his enemies suddenly, when they were in confusion and did not expect him, rather than to give them time and fight them after they were prepared. And so, when he was come to the river Rubicon, which was the boundary of the province allotted to him, he stood in silence and delayed to cross, reasoning with himself, of course, upon the magnitude of his adventure. Then, like one who casts himself from a precipice into a yawning abyss, he closed the eyes of reason and put a veil between them and his peril, and calling out in Greek to the bystanders these words only, 'Let the die be cast,' he set his army across." ~ Plutarch, Life of Pompeius Magnus 60.1-2


Today's thought is from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 45:

"The study of nature does not create men who are fond of boasting and chattering or who show off the culture that impresses the many, but rather men who are strong and self-sufficient, and who take pride in their own personal qualities not in those that depend on external circumstances."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72988 From: cassius622 Date: 2010-01-10
Subject: Nova Roma Macellum List
Salvete Omnes,

The old Nova Roma Macellum list has just been refreshed and updated. All spam messages have been removed, links have been cleaned, and a call has gone out for moderators to keep the list active and SPAM free.

Since 2001, The Macellum List has existed to be a forum for the discussion of the creation, marketing and selling of Roman oriented goods and services. The idea is to establish a "New Roman Economy" of trade in "Things Roman." It is open to the entire Roman community.

The list is located at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Macellum/


If you would like to volunteer to be a moderator of the Macellum list, please email me at Cassius622@....

Sell Roman Goods. Buy Roman Goods. Rebuild Rome.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pater Patriae, Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72989 From: Marcia Regina Date: 2010-01-10
Subject: Re: EDICTUM CENSORIUM I DE OFFICIO CENSORIO.
?????????...consigo traduzir, como????????????

--- Em dom, 10/1/10, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...> escreveu:

De: petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>
Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: EDICTUM CENSORIUM I DE OFFICIO CENSORIO.
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Domingo, 10 de Janeiro de 2010, 6:08







 









C. Petronius T. Sabino censori s.p.d.,



> Edictum I Censoris T. Iulii Sabini.

>

> 1. SENIOR ADVISORS.

> To assist the censor in legal and political matters:

> - Cn. Equitius Marinus.



Gratulations! I am glad to see that you do not leave all your links with Nova Roma.



[...]



> 6. CONSILIUM ONOMASTICUM ("Triage" Onomastic Advisory Board).

[...]

> 6.1 Scribae consilii:

> - Consiliaria Onomiastica: A. Tullia Scholastica.

> - Consiliarius Onomasticus: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.

> - Consiliarius Onomasticus: C. Petronius Dexter.



Thank you to make me consiliarius onomasticus with such estimable individuals.



Optime vale.



C. Petronius Dexter a.d. IV Idus Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss Arcoiali scribebat.























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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72990 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2010-01-10
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Macellum / Macellum List
Aquila Juliano salutem plurimam dicit,
 
thank you very much for your support.
I would like to send my greetings to all the members of the Macellum list and assure you, that you will have my full support, as it is one of my highest priorities to strengthen the Macellum within Nova Roma.
I would like to let all the citizens of our Republic Nova Roma to know , that wenever you have issues you would like to address concerning the Macellum, if you have ideas for new merchandise activities, please do not hesitate to contact me directly, or the Aedilship and I will promise you, that I will thoroughly look into it and provide you with my full support.

Valete optime
Titus Flavius Aquila
Curule Aedile Maior





________________________________
Von: cassius622 <cassius622@...>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Sonntag, den 10. Januar 2010, 9:05:20 Uhr
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Macellum List

 
Salvete Omnes,

The old Nova Roma Macellum list has just been refreshed and updated. All spam messages have been removed, links have been cleaned, and a call has gone out for moderators to keep the list active and SPAM free.

Since 2001, The Macellum List has existed to be a forum for the discussion of the creation, marketing and selling of Roman oriented goods and services. The idea is to establish a "New Roman Economy" of trade in "Things Roman." It is open to the entire Roman community.

The list is located at:

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Macellum/

If you would like to volunteer to be a moderator of the Macellum list, please email me at Cassius622@aol. com.

Sell Roman Goods. Buy Roman Goods. Rebuild Rome.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pater Patriae, Nova Roma




__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails.
http://mail.yahoo.com

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72991 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-01-10
Subject: Macellum Lists - public and private ones
Patri Patriae Cassio Aedilibus omn.que s.d.

I first want to tell you my sincere pleasure to have back in this Forum. Despite your obligations, we need to have you, Patres Patriae, among us. I hope Pater Vedius will make us the same pleasure soon.

Then, on the Macellum list, and in order that there is no misunderstanding from now on, I will just remind that the Macellum is in itself, as a public service, under the watching of the curule aediles, who are this year Hon. Flavius Aquila and Constantinus Placidus.

In this frame, the aediles are free organizing their duties and the services they put at the disposal of the public as they see fit. They may for example create a "Macellum list" and have interested persons welcome in it etc.. This list will be, in this case, "owned" and controlled by the curule aediles.

They also may support any private list, as the one you are re-activating, which would help us going in the good direction. But, as long as the Senate, who defines which is a public or a private list, would not have declared such a list as being a part of our public services and thus decided that its 'ownership' is to be assumed by a public magistrate or officer, such a list will remain a private list, which I think is the way you see things, Pater.

As long as such lists, "owned" by private citizens or socii, do not interfer with the action of our Public Services, placed under the responsibility of the curule aediles, I cannot but support any good idea which may help them and us all re-boosting our macellum and the place of traders in Nova Roma. Any good idea is welcome.

I have, besides, already confirmed our aediles, a few days ago, that I wish that propositions may be proposed to us consuls this year, in this field, and under their leadership.

Thanks for your attention and vale, Pater Patriae, et omnes valete,


P. Memmius Albucius
consul



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "cassius622" <cassius622@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> The old Nova Roma Macellum list has just been refreshed and updated. All spam messages have been removed, links have been cleaned, and a call has gone out for moderators to keep the list active and SPAM free.
>
> Since 2001, The Macellum List has existed to be a forum for the discussion of the creation, marketing and selling of Roman oriented goods and services. The idea is to establish a "New Roman Economy" of trade in "Things Roman." It is open to the entire Roman community.
>
> The list is located at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Macellum/
>
>
> If you would like to volunteer to be a moderator of the Macellum list, please email me at Cassius622@...
>
> Sell Roman Goods. Buy Roman Goods. Rebuild Rome.
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Pater Patriae, Nova Roma
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72992 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-11
Subject: a. d. III Eidus Ianuarias: CARMENTALIA; and Iuturnalia
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos salvam et servatam volunt

Hodie est ante diem III Eidus Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est: Carmentalia; Iuturnalia

CARMENTALIA

"The Carmentalia are so named because at that time there are sacrifices and a festival of Carmenta." ~ M. Terrentius Varro, Lingua Latinae 6.12

"Why are the matrons supposed to have founded the temple of Carmenta originally, and why do they reverence it now above all others? There is a certain tale repeated that the women were prevented by the senate from using horse-drawn vehicles; they therefore made an agreement with one another not to conceive nor to bear children, and they kept their husbands at a distance, until the husbands changed their minds and made the concession to them. When children were born to them, they, as mothers of a fair and numerous progeny, founded the temple of Carmenta. Some assert that Carmenta was the mother of Evander and that she came to Italy; that her name was Themis, or, as others say, Nicostratê; and that because she chanted oracles in verse, she was named Carmenta by the Latins, for they call verses carmina. But others think that Carmenta is a Fate, and that this is the reason why the matrons sacrifice to her. The true meaning of the name is 'deprived of sense,' by reason of her transports. Wherefore Carmenta was not so named from carmina, but rather carmina from her, because, in her divine frenzy, she chanted oracles in verse and metre." ~ Plutarch, Roman Questions 56

Carmentis is a Goddess of prophecy and childbirth, the inventor of letters (as Minerva is the inventor of numbers), a Goddess of charms and spells, songs and hymns, and ritual. Her soothing words ease the pains of women in labor, heal the ill child, foretell the future of brides and that of their children. Her two sisters, Postorta and Porrima (or Porsa), accompany Her as the Carmenae or Carmentes (Aug. CG 4.11). Porrima presides over natural birth when the infant descends head first. Postversa presides over breach births (Gellius, Attic Nights 16.16.4). In another form the Carmenae are Goddesses of Prophecy where Postorta addresses the past and Porrima the future. As the Parcae or the Fata Scribunda (Tert. An. 39.2), the Carmentes record the fate of a child from birth until death. The Romans also identified the Carmenae as the three Muses. In legend Carmentis was a Nympha from Campania.

"So during the reign of Faunus, which was about sixty years before Aeneas landed in Italy, Evander Arcas, who was the son of Mercury and the Nymph Carmenta, arrived along with his mother. Some have recorded for history that she was first called Nicostrate and later Garmenta, from "songs" (carmina), and that this was of course because she was extremely skilled in all letters and wise concerning the future, and was accustomed to singing about these things in songs, to such an extent that most prefer to think that it is not so much that she was named Carmenta from the songs she sang, but rather that the songs were named after her. By her advice Evander crossed over to Italy, and because of her unique erudition and knowledge of letters they made their way in a short time into a close friendship with Faunus. Evander was welcomed by him hospitably and kindness and was given a territory of land to cultivate, and no small one. He allocated this land to his comrades and built homes on the hill, which was at that time called Pallanteum by him, from Pallas; we now call it the Palatine." ~ Sext. Aurelius Victor, Origo Gentis Romanae 5.1-3


Whether alone as Carmentis or else along with Her sisters, She was a Goddess of ritualized speech. She was a patron Goddess of midwives and mothers, since Her charms and incantations (carmina) were primarily used in healing illnesses of women and children. A primary example of a healing carmen, in versus Saturninus, is the Synache, a charm for the cure of sore throats found in Marcellus Empiricus, De Medicamentis 15.11:

EXI, <SI> HODIE NATA, SI ANTE NATA
SI HODIE CREATA, SI ANTE CREATA;
HANC PESTEM, HANC PESTILENTIAM,
HUNC DOLOREM, HUNC TUMOREM, HUNC RUBOREM,
HAS TOLES, HAS TOSILLAS,
HUNC PANUM, HAS PANUCLAS,
HANC STRUMAM, HANC STRUMELLAM,
HAC RELIGIONE EVOCO DUCO ExCANTO
DE ISTIS MEMBRIS MEDULLIS.

Come forth! Today Daughter, the One before the Daughter
Today created, before she was created,
This sickness, this disease,
This pain, this swelling, this redness,
This goiter, these tonsils,
This tumor, these little tumors,
This swelling gland, these swelling little glands,
With pious rite I call out, I summon; I entice with songs that You come forth
From these limbs, from these bones, (from this body).


IUTURNALIA

"The same light received you too, Juturna, Turnus' sister, there where the Aqua Virgo circles the Campus." ~ Ovid, Fasti 1.463-464

Today also saw a festival for Iuturna. She was the nymph whose fountain was near the Temple of Vesta and close to the Forum. A temple was built and dedicated for her by Augustus in 2 BCE, and the festival, which does not appear in any of the fasti, is thought to be the anniversary of this dedication (Servius Honorus, Aeneis 12.139).


Our thoughts for today is from Epictetus, Enchiridion 37 and 38

"If you have assumed any character beyond your strength, you have both demeaned yourself ill in that, and quitted one which you might have supported."

"As in walking you take care not to tread upon a nail, or turn your foot, so likewise take care not to hurt the ruling faculty of your mind. And if we were to guard against this in every action, we should enter upon action more safely."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72993 From: William Date: 2010-01-11
Subject: Re: Macellum Lists - public and private ones
Salve Albucius,

Your carefully worded post seems to translate to:

"We own Nova Roma and everything in it, and you're not allowed to speak or do anything here unless it is controlled by us."

Point taken, Consul. And I'm fine with that, really. :)

I'm concerned about Romanitas and the Roman community everywhere; not just within Nova Roma. It's time that some things got DONE, even if it happens on a purely private, personal and "non official" basis.

The Macellum List is not THE official Macellum. It is a list for people to discuss the making (or otherwise obtaining), selling and buying of Roman Goods. The Roman Community is still extremely short on cultural items for all aspects of private, public and religious life. If these things aren't approached everyone loses.

In 24 hours, the list has been restored, 11 new members have joined, there are two new moderators, and 9 new messages. That's not a bad thing. ;)

The list address again is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Macellum/

It is open to everyone interested in helping to build a Roman economy, wherever they're from.

Sell Roman Goods. Buy Roman Goods. Rebuild Rome.

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pater Patriae




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> Patri Patriae Cassio Aedilibus omn.que s.d.
>
> I first want to tell you my sincere pleasure to have back in this Forum. Despite your obligations, we need to have you, Patres Patriae, among us. I hope Pater Vedius will make us the same pleasure soon.
>
> Then, on the Macellum list, and in order that there is no misunderstanding from now on, I will just remind that the Macellum is in itself, as a public service, under the watching of the curule aediles, who are this year Hon. Flavius Aquila and Constantinus Placidus.
>
> In this frame, the aediles are free organizing their duties and the services they put at the disposal of the public as they see fit. They may for example create a "Macellum list" and have interested persons welcome in it etc.. This list will be, in this case, "owned" and controlled by the curule aediles.
>
> They also may support any private list, as the one you are re-activating, which would help us going in the good direction. But, as long as the Senate, who defines which is a public or a private list, would not have declared such a list as being a part of our public services and thus decided that its 'ownership' is to be assumed by a public magistrate or officer, such a list will remain a private list, which I think is the way you see things, Pater.
>
> As long as such lists, "owned" by private citizens or socii, do not interfer with the action of our Public Services, placed under the responsibility of the curule aediles, I cannot but support any good idea which may help them and us all re-boosting our macellum and the place of traders in Nova Roma. Any good idea is welcome.
>
> I have, besides, already confirmed our aediles, a few days ago, that I wish that propositions may be proposed to us consuls this year, in this field, and under their leadership.
>
> Thanks for your attention and vale, Pater Patriae, et omnes valete,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> consul
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72994 From: Emilia Curia Finnica Date: 2010-01-11
Subject: Emilia Curia Finnica, oath of office
Ego, Emilia Curia Finnica, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
defensuram, et
semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Emilia Curia Finnica, officio custodis Novae Romae accepto, deos
deasque
Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes
Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse IVRO.

Ego, Emilia Curia Finnica, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam
defensuram, et
numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti
capiat IVRO.

Ego, Emilia Curia Finnica officiis muneris custodis me quam optime
functuram
esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus custodis una cum iuribus,
privilegiis,
muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

_________________

I, Emilia Curia Finnica (Emilia Finnlund) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
people
and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Emilia Curia Finnica swear to honor
the Gods
and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
Virtues
in my public and private life.

I, Emilia Curia Finnica swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana
as the
State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Emilia Curia Finnica swear to protect and defend the Constitution
of Nova
Roma.

I, Emilia Curia Finnica further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of custos to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept
the
position of custos and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.


Optime valete,

Emilia Curia Finnica
Scriba Araniae Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Senatrix



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72995 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-11
Subject: The Carmentalia a.d. III Id. Ian.
M. Hortensia Maior C. Quiritesque spd;
today is the first celebration of the Carmentalia, Carmentis can be read about in our wiki

here:http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Carmentis
I performed the Carmentalia ritual
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Carmentalia_%28Nova_Roma%29
as written by M. Moravius Piscinus the PM this afternoon in the grove behind my house in Chapel Hill,North Carolina

My offerings were honeyed milk, a cake made of figs and nuts,
incense and nuts.
I looked for signs but observed no bad ones nor heard them and finished the ritual praying that dea Carmentis favour the cives of Nova Roma with many children and those
in childbirth. I ask the gods to favour the magistrates and
citizens of Nova Roma.
The next Carmentalia ritual will be celebrated on Friday
May the gods favour Nova Roma forever!
bene vadete in pacem deorum
M. Hortensia Maior
Flaminica Carmentalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72996 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-11
Subject: Re: Macellum Lists - public and private ones
Salve Cassi;
so are you making flags again? people do want them. I've seen many requests.

I'm all for Roman items, there is Julia Aquila with her wonderful statues and Agricola and I spoke about pins.
optime vale
Maior

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> "We own Nova Roma and everything in it, and you're not allowed to speak or do anything here unless it is controlled by us."
>
> Point taken, Consul. And I'm fine with that, really. :)
>
> I'm concerned about Romanitas and the Roman community everywhere; not just within Nova Roma. It's time that some things got DONE, even if it happens on a purely private, personal and "non official" basis.
>
> The Macellum List is not THE official Macellum. It is a list for people to discuss the making (or otherwise obtaining), selling and buying of Roman Goods. The Roman Community is still extremely short on cultural items for all aspects of private, public and religious life. If these things aren't approached everyone loses.
>
> In 24 hours, the list has been restored, 11 new members have joined, there are two new moderators, and 9 new messages. That's not a bad thing. ;)
>
> The list address again is:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Macellum/
>
> It is open to everyone interested in helping to build a Roman economy, wherever they're from.
>
> Sell Roman Goods. Buy Roman Goods. Rebuild Rome.
>
> Vale,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Pater Patriae
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> >
> > Patri Patriae Cassio Aedilibus omn.que s.d.
> >
> > I first want to tell you my sincere pleasure to have back in this Forum. Despite your obligations, we need to have you, Patres Patriae, among us. I hope Pater Vedius will make us the same pleasure soon.
> >
> > Then, on the Macellum list, and in order that there is no misunderstanding from now on, I will just remind that the Macellum is in itself, as a public service, under the watching of the curule aediles, who are this year Hon. Flavius Aquila and Constantinus Placidus.
> >
> > In this frame, the aediles are free organizing their duties and the services they put at the disposal of the public as they see fit. They may for example create a "Macellum list" and have interested persons welcome in it etc.. This list will be, in this case, "owned" and controlled by the curule aediles.
> >
> > They also may support any private list, as the one you are re-activating, which would help us going in the good direction. But, as long as the Senate, who defines which is a public or a private list, would not have declared such a list as being a part of our public services and thus decided that its 'ownership' is to be assumed by a public magistrate or officer, such a list will remain a private list, which I think is the way you see things, Pater.
> >
> > As long as such lists, "owned" by private citizens or socii, do not interfer with the action of our Public Services, placed under the responsibility of the curule aediles, I cannot but support any good idea which may help them and us all re-boosting our macellum and the place of traders in Nova Roma. Any good idea is welcome.
> >
> > I have, besides, already confirmed our aediles, a few days ago, that I wish that propositions may be proposed to us consuls this year, in this field, and under their leadership.
> >
> > Thanks for your attention and vale, Pater Patriae, et omnes valete,
> >
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius
> > consul
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72997 From: William Date: 2010-01-12
Subject: Re: Macellum Lists - public and private ones
Salve,

I'm not making any flags, but I do HAVE flags. Er. Somewhere.

I recently bought a house and the box with NR flags, coins and T-shirts is packed away. I have no idea what I'm going to do with them... I'm certainly not an "official NR vendor" anymore!!

I'll try to figure something out when the box gets moved in a month or two.

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pater Patriae


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Cassi;
> so are you making flags again? people do want them. I've seen many requests.
>
> I'm all for Roman items, there is Julia Aquila with her wonderful statues and Agricola and I spoke about pins.
> optime vale
> Maior
>
> ---
> > "We own Nova Roma and everything in it, and you're not allowed to speak or do anything here unless it is controlled by us."
> >
> > Point taken, Consul. And I'm fine with that, really. :)
> >
> > I'm concerned about Romanitas and the Roman community everywhere; not just within Nova Roma. It's time that some things got DONE, even if it happens on a purely private, personal and "non official" basis.
> >
> > The Macellum List is not THE official Macellum. It is a list for people to discuss the making (or otherwise obtaining), selling and buying of Roman Goods. The Roman Community is still extremely short on cultural items for all aspects of private, public and religious life. If these things aren't approached everyone loses.
> >
> > In 24 hours, the list has been restored, 11 new members have joined, there are two new moderators, and 9 new messages. That's not a bad thing. ;)
> >
> > The list address again is:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Macellum/
> >
> > It is open to everyone interested in helping to build a Roman economy, wherever they're from.
> >
> > Sell Roman Goods. Buy Roman Goods. Rebuild Rome.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Marcus Cassius Julianus
> > Pater Patriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72998 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-12
Subject: Pridie Eidus Ianuarias: The Pompa
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Bene omnibus nobis

Hodie est die pristini Eidus Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est: Incertus status caeli

The Pompa

A significant feature of the rituals of many ancient religions, and indeed a ritual in itself, was the procession that lead to a day's main sacrifices. Earlier this month we looked at the nocturnal rites held for the Kore where worshippers held a vigil, singing hymns in anticipation of the main ritual that was a procession of a statue of the Virgin around the interior of Her temple grounds. Or we might note how processions formed a major part in the rituals held for the Magna Mater. Some comemmorated Her arrival at Rome, some processions took Her idol from Her temple down to the Almo and back for its annual bathing, the Lavatio of March, and then there was also the processions for Megalasia in April. In the religio Romana a ritual procession is called the pompa. There are different kinds of pompae, each organized somewhat differently, according to their purpose.

Perhaps best known was the pompa triumphi. A triumph celebrated a victory, which was credited to Jupiter and other patron Gods of Rome. Rather than carry a statue in procession, the victorious general would be dressed in a manner like Jupiter, with purple robes having embroidered golden oak leaves. In the fourth century Camillus also had his face painted red with cinnabar, just as the statue of Jupiter at the Capitolium was annually painted with cinnabar. The decoration of Camillus was notable during the early Imperial Period probably because it was not something repeated after Camillus. One notable pompa triumphi was that of Pompeius Magnus in 61 BCE. And then there was Caesar's four day extravaganza in 46 BCE. But the first lavish triumph held in Rome was that of Aemilius Paulus in 167 BCE for his victory over Perseus of Macedonia. This pompa triumphi of 167 BCE extended over three days, and the doors of all the City's temples were opened for the Gods to view it. The first day was taken up by a procession of statues and artwork brought back from Greece and transported on two hundred and fifty chariots. The second day featured the captured enemy arms and three thousand men carrying silver coins in vessels followed by others bearing silver bowls, drinking horns, dishes and cups. The third day began with military trumpet calls at dawn. The trumpeters were followed by one hundred and ten oxen with gilded horns and decorated with ribbons and wreaths. These were led by young men wearing purple bordered aprons and each group of four bearing one of seventy seven vessels of gold coin, three talents in each vessel. After them was carried a bowl that Aemilius had had made as an offering to Jupiter, made of ten talents of gold and studded with gems. Along with this bowl were several golden drinking horns to represent different parts of Greece, as well as the golden dinnerware of Perseus. A chariot next followed bearing the arms and crown of Persus, followed by his children and then by Perseus at the head of his attendants. Four hundred gold wreaths sent by the cities of Greece to Aemilius as victory prizes followed these prisoners. Aemilius Paulus next entered the city in a chariot, dressed as though he were Jupiter in a purple robe with gold embroidery and carried a wreath of laurel. His army followed, arranged in their ranks and divisions. Each soldier carried a laurel wreath and the entire company sang hymns of victory, songs of ribaldry, and the praises of Aemilius Paulus (Plutarch Life of Aemilius Paulus 32-4)

A pompa triumphi may be compared to the procession held at the beginning of the Ludi Romani that honored Jupiter Optimus Maximus. Dionysius of Halicarnassus provides us with a description based on the Annales of Fabius Pictor written around 200 BCE. The sons of Rome who would soon reach manhood led the procession. These were organized into companies according to the status of their fathers in the census. First would come the sons of Equestrians on horseback, followed on foot by the sons of other Roman citizens. Rather than veteran soldiers marching in order, the youths of Rome performed military drills. Athletes who would compete in the coming games followed next, first the charioteers and jockeys, then the boxers, wrestlers, and other athletes. Next came dancers divided into three companies, according to age. Flute players, then musicians who played the lyre and barbita followed. Young men wearing red tunics would perform military steps led by one man in a bronze helmet. Next came companies of dancers dressed as satyrs and fauni in comic mime. More flute and lyre players followed, and next came men with censers of frankincense and perfumes. Behind these came more men bearing vessels of gold and silver, some were the sacred vessels of the temple while others were those used in state ceremonies. Towards the end of the procession came the statues of the Gods, each borne by poles on the shoulders of young men (Dionysius of Halicarnassus Roman Antiquities VII 72.1-3).

A pompa did not only display offerings and the individuals who would sacrifice them. The pompa was itself thought to be an offering to the Gods with choirs singing specially written hymns, dancing mimes, and sometimes plays and menageries. A main feature in some of the pompae was the performance of dance. To dance before the Gods was to provide Them an entertainment, and the free performers, or the person who provided professional dancers, was especially blessed for offering it. Professional dancers, the mimes, were regarded as some of the lowest members of society. These were slaves, hired out to perform in such bawdy entertainments as "Anubis the Adulterer, Signore Moon, Diana Flogged, Jove's Last Testament and, as a comedy, Three Hungry Hercules (Tertullian, Ad Nationes 15)." But more often the very wealthiest members of society would be expected to join in dances honoring the Gods. In the Eastern provinces, "at Delos not even the sacrifices are offered without dance," the performers being "people of the best lineage and foremost in every city dance (Lucian De Sal. 16; 79)." One need only think of the Salii at Rome, one company chosen from the very best patrician families and the other from the best plebeian families, dancing before Mars. Even a praetor once danced among the Salii (Valerius Maximus 1.1.9). Or one might recall the youths and maidens chosen for the choirs that performed the hymn specially written by Horace for the Saeculares that Augustus celebrated in 17 BCE (CIL VI 32323). Virgil spoke of those who celebrate before the Gods in rural rites where they "foot the rugged dance and chant the lay (Georg. 1.350)" and also how the Gods are called upon to join in the dance Themselves (Aen. 8.301-302). And Propertius wrote, "For me it shall be enough if I am able to dance along the Via Sacra in praise of the Gods (3.4.22)." Such expressions inform us how a pompa was not a prelude to other rituals, but were themselves a ritual and a form of sacrifice offered to the Gods.

A different sort of pompa, more solemn in tone, was that of the lustratio of the City. Lucan described one such lustratio that was carried out in January 49 CE. "Then the priests are ordered to make the circuit. Pontifices, Vestal Virgines, decemviri sacris faciundis who preserve the secret carmina of the Gods and mystic hymns and who recall Cybele from Her bath on the Almo, then augures, the semptenviri epulones, titii, salii, and flamines," with "the (victims) entirely quaking in terror to go around the citizens of the City (Pharsalia1.584-638)." The solemn pompa in that case saw all of the various colleges of priests following the pontifices, ordered in their degree of importance down to the Sodales Titii. At times only a part of a city might receive a lustratio instead. At Alexandria Roman merchants held a lustratio that probably only included the business district, while the dedication of a new temple at Ostia saw a lustratio that presumably only enclosed the forum (CIL III Supp. 12047). The Flavian rededication of the Capitolium in 70 CE saw a similar lustratio of only the temple precinct; the pompa proceeding around the Capitolium templum first conducted the sacrificial victims of the souvetaurlia around its perimeter.

"On 21 June, beneath a cloudless sky, the entire space devoted to the sacred enclosure was encompassed with chaplets and garlands. Soldiers, who bore auspicious names, entered the precinct with sacred boughs. Then the Vestal Virgins, with a troop of boys and girls, whose fathers and mothers were still living, sprinkled the whole space with water drawn from the fountains and rivers. After this Helvidius Priscus, the praetor, first purified the spot with the usual sacrifice of a sow, a sheep, and a bull, and duly placed the entrails on turf altars. Then in terms dictated by Publius Aelianus, the high priest, besought Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva, and the tutelary deities of the place, to prosper the undertaking, and to lend their divine help to raise the abodes which the piety of men had founded for Them (Tacitus Histories 4.53)."

Among the solemn type of pompa was also the funeral procession. A pompa funuris was meant to honor the deceased. It was led by a praeco, who heralded others to attend. Before him would come musicians, their number – four pipers, a trumpeter and two cornicines - was set by law. Behind these musicians would come the praeficae or professional mourners. Then the deceased, led by torchbearers, was carried on his bier by vespillones, four for a poor man, more for the wealthy with large biers. The family followed, led by a boy who carried a palm and basket. Two women flanked him, one holding a spade-like instrument. Then would come those family members who were wearing masks of ancestors whose build and gait they imitated. In later times busts were carried rather than death masks. The rest of the family would follow in mourning garb, its younger members carried in litters. Sons were veiled and the daughters bareheaded. Offerings that would be made to the flames in a cremation, and wine used to cool the bones afterwards, would be carried in the pompa in a fashion similar to a sacrificial procession. The arrangement of the participants in a pompa funuris differed from that used in other forms of pompae. Musicians preceded, rather than followed professional performers, and sacrificial offerings followed the main participants, rather than precede them. Indeed, each type of pompa had its own characteristics just as every other type of sacrifice might have its own characteristics.


The thought for today comes from L Annaesus Seneca, On Providence 2.6:

"Toward good men God has the mind of a father, he cherishes for them a manly love, and he says, 'Let them be harassed by toil, by suffering, by losses, in order that they may gather true strength.'"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 72999 From: Marcia Regina Date: 2010-01-12
Subject: Re: Macellum Lists - public and private ones
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--- Em ter, 12/1/10, William <cassius622@...> escreveu:

De: William <cassius622@...>
Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Macellum Lists - public and private ones
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Terça-feira, 12 de Janeiro de 2010, 11:08







 









Salve,



I'm not making any flags, but I do HAVE flags. Er. Somewhere.



I recently bought a house and the box with NR flags, coins and T-shirts is packed away. I have no idea what I'm going to do with them... I'm certainly not an "official NR vendor" anymore!!



I'll try to figure something out when the box gets moved in a month or two.



Vale,



Marcus Cassius Julianus

Pater Patriae



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@. ..> wrote:

>

> Salve Cassi;

> so are you making flags again? people do want them. I've seen many requests.

>

> I'm all for Roman items, there is Julia Aquila with her wonderful statues and Agricola and I spoke about pins.

> optime vale

> Maior

>

> ---

> > "We own Nova Roma and everything in it, and you're not allowed to speak or do anything here unless it is controlled by us."

> >

> > Point taken, Consul. And I'm fine with that, really. :)

> >

> > I'm concerned about Romanitas and the Roman community everywhere; not just within Nova Roma. It's time that some things got DONE, even if it happens on a purely private, personal and "non official" basis.

> >

> > The Macellum List is not THE official Macellum. It is a list for people to discuss the making (or otherwise obtaining), selling and buying of Roman Goods. The Roman Community is still extremely short on cultural items for all aspects of private, public and religious life. If these things aren't approached everyone loses.

> >

> > In 24 hours, the list has been restored, 11 new members have joined, there are two new moderators, and 9 new messages. That's not a bad thing. ;)

> >

> > The list address again is:

> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Macellum/

> >

> > It is open to everyone interested in helping to build a Roman economy, wherever they're from.

> >

> > Sell Roman Goods. Buy Roman Goods. Rebuild Rome.

> >

> > Vale,

> >

> > Marcus Cassius Julianus

> > Pater Patriae























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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73000 From: freddyquerales Date: 2010-01-12
Subject: Legiones Romanas
Salvete!
Commilitos:
Mensaje de Prueba

Valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73001 From: freddyquerales Date: 2010-01-12
Subject: Re: Prueba
Salve!

Mensaje de prueba

Valete.!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73003 From: Nero Date: 2010-01-12
Subject: I have returned!
I, Riku Gaius Iunius Nero have returned from my absence.
Please note that unlike others this was not a world doesn't-spin-my-way-so-I'm-leaving thing I was merely working through some personal issues, I read a rumor from a dear friend who will remain anonymous that the there were rumors that I left because I wasn't made patrician that truly made me laugh. I view myself how I want NR simply says something different rest assured that was not the reason I left.
Anywho I am back forever this time and I'm eager to see what everyone has been up to and doing lately.
I have no time to go through a thousand messages so anything big or special going on please let me know.
Nice to be back and as always Gods bless
Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant
(Look at that I even remembered my latin HAHA)
RGIV
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73004 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-13
Subject: EIDUS IANUARIAE: Death of Gaius Marius
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos semper servent.

Hodie est Eidus Iamuariae; haec dies nefastus piaculum est: feriae Iovi; Ventosa tempestas et incertus status.

"Lady of Night, bi-horned, lover of nightlong revels, shine, O Moon, shine, darting through the latticed windows; shed thy splendour on golden Callistion; thine immortality may look down unbidden on the deeds of lovers; thou dost bless both her and me, I know, O Moon; for thy soul too was fired by Endymion." ~ Philodemus, Moonlight, Greek Anthology XL


"The worship of Juno demands the ausonian calends; on the Ides, a white ewe, of good size, falls in honor of Jupiter." ~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.55-56

"Why have they in the month three beginnings or fixed points, and do not adopt the same interval of days between them? Is it, as Juba and his followers relate, that on the Kalends the officials used to call the people and announce the Nones for the fifth day thereafter, regarding the Ides as a holy day? Or is it rather because, since they measured time by the phases of the moon, they observed that in each month the moon undergoes three very important changes: first, when she is hidden by her conjunction with the sun; second, when she has escaped the sun's rays and becomes visible for the first time at sunset; and third, at the full moon, when her orb is completely round? The disappearance and concealment of the moon they call Kalendae, for everything concealed or secret is clam, and "to be concealed" is celari. The first appearance of the moon they call Nones, the most accurate since it is the new moon: for their word for "new" and "novel" is the same as ours. They name the Ides as they do either because of the beauty and form (eidos) of the full-orbed moon, or by derivation from a title of Jupiter. But we must not follow out the most exact calculation of the number of days nor cast aspersions on approximate reckoning; since even now, when astronomy has made so much progress, the irregularity of the moon's movements is still beyond the skill of mathematicians, and continues to elude their calculations." ~ Plutarch, Roman Questions 24


The calendar of Romulus consisted of ten lunar months, each month beginning with the first sliver of the New Moon seen just after sunset. On the calends a pontifex would announce from the Curia Calabra of the Capitolium on what day the Nones would occur, either on the fifth or seventh of each month. The people left their fields and came to see the Rex Sacrorum announce from the Arx when the other holidays of the month would arrive. The Nones are on the day of the First Quarter Moon, and eight days later, on the Ides, appears the Full Moon. Its name was said to have come from either Etruscan Itus or Sabine Idus, who was identified with Jupiter Fiducia (Varro, Lingua Latinae 6.28; Macrobius, Saturnalia 1.15.14). On the Ides of each month the flamen Dialis led a white ewe, called an idulis, in procession along the Via Sacra to the Capitolium where she was sacrificed to Jupiter. Normally it might seem unusual that a female victim, in this case an ewe, should be sacrificed to Jupiter. However we may come to better understand the sacrifice in the context of a confarreatio marriage ceremony. The appearance of the light of the Full Moon on mountaintops was thought among the Italic tribes to represent the hierogamos of the Sky Father and Mother Earth. These were "the First Gods" (principes dei), the Potent Deities of the Books of the Augurs (divi potes), Caelum and Terra. They were identified alternatively as Saturn and Ops; in Umbria as Fisius and Fisia or else as Cerfu and Cerfia:, among the Marrucini as Iove and Iovia, where in Rome Sabine Dioue Patir and Kerria Diouia became better known as Jupiter and Juno. (Varro, L. L. 5.57-66; Tavole Iguvium; Tabula Rapenensis). The special marriage ceremony called a confarreatio arrived at its climax when the bride and groom sat on two chairs covered by the hide of a single sacrificial ewe and shared bread and wine with one another. One of the requirements for being the flamen Dialis who performed the sacrifices of the Ides was that he be married by a rite of confarreatio, and it may well be because each month he and the flaminica Dialis reenacted the hierogamos of Jupiter and Juno as a confarreatio at the Capitolium.


AUC 673 / 80 BCE: Death of Marius

"On the very day of the beginning of his magistracy, Marius ordered that the senator Sextus Licinius was to be thrown from the [Tarpeian] rock. After many crimes, Marius died on the Ides of January. When we take everything into account, he had been a man about whom it was not easy to say whether he was more excellent in times of war than he was dangerous in times of peace." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 80.9

"Naturally virile and fond of war," Marius had come from obscure birth in the area of Arpinum. "His first service as a soldier was in a campaign against the Celtiberians, when Scipio Africanus was besieging Numantia (134-133 BCE), and he attracted the notice of his general by excelling the other young men in bravery, and by his very cheerful acceptance of the changed regimen which Scipio introduced into his army when it was spoiled by luxury and extravagance. It is said, too, that he encountered and laid low an enemy in the sight of his general. Therefore he was advanced by his commander to many honours." He first gained popularity with the people of Rome, and the animosity of the senatorials, when he later served as tribune (119 BCE) and defied the Senate, even to the point of threatening to imprison his patron Caecilius Metellus. This was only three years after the senatorials had murdered Gaius Gracchus when other tribunes had been cowed. Afterward senatorial opposition made it difficult for Marius to be elected to office, but he did manage eventually to become praetor and to have received a province in Spain.

When Caecilius Metellus took command in the Jugurtha War (109 BCE), he brought Marius along as legatus. Metellus was particularly haughty and disdainful of his men, unpopular with the soldiers for his harsh discipline, and because he was thought by them to be inept and corrupt. Marius, on the other hand, was especially popular with the soldiers, having risen through the ranks himself, sharing in their harships and meals as Scipio Africanus had done earlier, and simply by being a soldier's soldier. At the Battle of the Mutul River Metellus was seen to have walked into a trap set by Jugurtha and it was Marius who was credited by the soldiers with saving the day. The enmity between Metellus and Marius grew until Marius returned to Rome and campaigned for the consulship of 107 BCE, which he won through the support of the soldiers in Numidia writing home. The Senate, however, refused to allow him to recruit an army through the comitia centuriata or grant him any money, and so he went through the comitia populi instead, and thereby also changed requirements for enlistment. This led to the Marian Reforms that professionalized the legions. Marius then returned and managed to win the war, although his opponents gave much of the credit to his subordinate Sulla for capturing Jugurtha and gave Metellus the cognomen Numidicus instead of to Marius who deserved it.

Marius was still in Numidia when he was appointed consul for a second time (105 BCE) in order to command the legions in the war with the Germanic Cimmerians, these being the Cimbri, Teutones, and lesser tribes. The Cimbri and their Teutones allies had already defeated two Roman armies (113 and 109 BCE). Then at Arusia on the Rhone the Cimbri and Teutones defeated two consular armies and slaughtered some 80,000 Romans. Rome was filled with the spectre of another invasion and possible sack as the Gauls had done centuries earlier. Marius was elected consul three more times, between 103 and 101 BCE, before he brought the Cimbri to a decisive battle. In reward for his many services, Marius was then elected consul a sixth time, for 100 BCE.

In that year Saturninus was tribunus plebis. He reintroduced the Gracchi Reforms, proposed overseas colonies for the veterans of Marius in the recent wars, and to lower the price of wheat at Rome. The Senate opposed these reforms, which led to violence. The Senate ordered Marius to bring the army to Rome to halt Saturninus. But instead Marius brokered a truce, gave Saturninus safe passage, and arranged that he should meet with the Senate to settle the disputes. When Saturninus entered the Senate, the doors were locked behind him, and the senators murdered him and his escort, a praetor. Riots broke out and Marius was then called upon to put these down along with the supporters of the senatorials.

The assination of yet another tribune in 91 BCE, Livius Drusus, for proposing to grant Roman citizenship to all free-born Italian, led to the Social War (91-88 BCE). Marius and Sulla took command against the Italians at the begining of the war, but Marius soon retired, presumably for reasons of his health.

Sulla was elected consul in 88 BCE. The Senate recommended Sulla to lead the legions against Mithridates in the Pontic War, but the comitia chose Marius instead. Sulla rushed to where the army was waiting at Nola and placed himself over the army. Only one of the officers accepted Sulla, all of the other officers refused to recognize his authority and returned to Rome. Then Sulla marched with six legions against Rome to usurp power and thus initiated the Civil War. The defenders of Rome, an army of gladiators led by Marius, were defeated. Marius barely escaped and managed to flee to Africa. In 87 BCE Sulla turned his army east, sacking Athens along the way to the First Mithridatic War. In Rome the consuls were Gn. Octavius, a supporter of Sulla, and L. Cornelius Cinna who opposed Sulla's actions. Fighting broke out between the two factions. It was then that Marius returned from exile in Africa, where he had raised an army. He joined with Cinna. Some of Marius' soldiers went through Rome in search of Sulla's supporters, executing twelve nobles. Marius was then elected consul for an unprecedented seventh time for 86 BCE.

"Caius Piso, an historian, relates that Marius, while walking about with his friends after supper, fell to talking about the events of his life, beginning with his earliest days, and after recounting his frequent reversals of fortune, from good to bad and from bad to good, said that it was not the part of a man of sense to trust himself to Fortune any longer; and after this utterance bade his friends farewell, kept his bed for seven days consecutively, and so died. . . seventeen days after entering upon his seventh consulship." ~ Plutarch, Life of Marius 45


AUC 704 / 49 BCE: Caesar advances through Picenum and on towards Rome

"Meantime, being informed that Thermus the pretor had entered Iguvium, with five cohorts, and was endeavouring to fortify the town; as he knew the inhabitants to be well inclined to his interest, he detached Curio thither, with three cohorts, drawn from Lisaurum and Rimini. Upon this, Thermus, who could not confide in the townsmen, retired with his cohorts, and quitted the place: but his troops abandoning him in their march, returned severally to their own homes. Curio was received into the place with great demonstrations of joy: which being reported to Caesar, as he found he had the good will of the colonies and free towns, he drew the cohorts of the thirteenth legion out of garrison, and marched to Auximum, which Attius held with a body of troops, and whence he had despatched senators to levy forces overall Picenum. Caesar's arrival being known, the chief citizens of Auximum went in a body to Attius Varus, and told him: " That it did not belong to them to determine on which side justice lay; but that neither they, nor the other municipal towns, could endure to see their gates shut against Caesar, who by his great actions had deserved so well of the commonwealth: that therefore he would do well to consult his own safety and reputation." Attius, moved by this speech, drew off his garrison and fled. But some of Caesar's first ranks pursuing him, obliged him to stop; and a battle ensuing, he was deserted by his men. Some of the troops returned home; the rest went over to Caesar, and brought along with them L. Pupius, first centurion of the legion, who had formerly held the same rank in Pompey's army. Caesar commended Attius's soldiers: dismissed Papius: returned thanks to the inhabitants of Auximum; and promised to retain always a grateful remembrance of their attachment.

"These things being reported at Rome, the consternation was so great over the whole city, that when the consul Lentulus came to the treasury, to deliver out the money to Pompey, in consequence of the decree of the senate, he scarce waited the opening of the inner door, but precipitately left the place, upon a false rumour, that Caesar was approaching, and some of his cavalry already in view. He was soon followed by his colleague Marcellus, and the greater part of the magistrates, Pompey had left the town the day before, and was upon his way to Apulia, where he had quartered the legions he had received from Caesar. The levies were discontinued within the city, and no place appeared secure on this side of Capua. Here, at last, they took courage and rallied, and began to renew their levies in the colonies round about, which had been sent thither by the Julian law. Lentulus summoned into the forum the gladiators whom Caesar had ordered to be trained up there, gave them their liberty, furnished them with horses, and commanded them to follow him. But being afterwards admonished by his friends that this step was universally condemned, he dispersed them into the neighbouring town of Campania, to keep garrison there.

"Caesar meanwhile leaving Auximum, traversed the whole country of Picenum; where he was joyfully received in all parts by the inhabitants, who furnished his army with every thing necessary. Even Cingulum itself, a town founded by Labienus, and built at his own expense, sent deputies to him, with an offer of their submission and services. He demanded a certain number of soldiers, which were sent immediately. Meantime the twelfth legion joined him; and with these two he marched to Asculum, a town of Picenum. Here Lentulus Spinther commanded with ten cohorts; who, hearing of Caesar's approach, quitted the place with his troops, who almost all deserted him upon the march. Being left with only a few, he fell in with Vibullius Rufus, whom Pompey had sent into Picenum to encourage his followers in those parts. Vibullius understanding from him the state of affairs in Picenum, dismissed Lentulus, and took the soldiers under his command. He likewise drew together from the neighbouring provinces as many as he could meet with of Pompey's levies: among the rest, Ulcilles Hirus, who was flying, with six cohorts, from Camerinum, where they had been quartered. Out of all these he formed thirteen cohorts, with which he posted, by great journeys, to Corfinium, where Domitius Ahenobarbus commanded; whom he informed that Caesar was approaching with two legions. Domitius had already got together, with great expedition, twenty cohorts from Alba, the country of the Marsi, Peligni,and the neighbouring provinces." ~ C. Julius Caesar, Commentary on the Civil War 1.11-13


Our thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 11.18

"If any have offended against thee, consider first: What is my relation to men, and that we are made for one another; and in another respect, I was made to be set over them, as a ram over the flock or a bull over the herd. But examine the matter from first principles, from this: If all things are not mere atoms, it is nature which orders all things: if this is so, the inferior things exist for the sake of the superior, and these for the sake of one another."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73005 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-14
Subject: a. d. XIX Kalendas Februarias: Birth of Marcus Antonius
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus simus

Hodie est ante diem XIX Kalendas Februarias; haec dies endotercisus vitiosus ex senatus consulto aterque est

Endotercisus indicates that in the morning and in the evening today is regarded as a dies nefastus. But from the time that the morning sacrifice is made, until the evening when the entrails of the victims are to be stretched over the altars, today is regarded as dies fastus. It is also a dies ater, when it is improper to offer sacrifices to the celestial Gods. This could be a day on which one might sacrifice to Di Manes by night, which may be one explanation for today having been designated as endotercisus. However we do not know why this dies ater would have been so designated and not others.

In four examples of fasti (Maffeiani, Caeretani, Oppiani minores, and Verulain) today is also designated as vitious by an act of the Senate. This was done because today is the birthday of Marcus Antonius. Such a designation would appear suddenly in the calendars and then disappear after a few years. It was used to mark onerous days, as when there had been a "rain of blood" at Praeneste. Such a date remained vitiosus until an expiation might remove its significance. They did not carry the same weight as do dies ater, pertaining as they did to only a single location usually. With 14 Jan. there was a little confusion, as it did fall on a dies ater as well, and the Senate's decision to name it dies vitiosus because of the birth of Mark Antony meant that it was observed throughout Italy and not just at any one location. It was, however, only a temporary designation, and thus it is noted today only for informational purposes and not as any restriction on the cultus Deorum.

Antony's grandfather was the great orator. He joined with Sulla and was put to death by Marius. Antony's father was not an illustrius man, and not a man of wealth, but was described as being kindly, honest, and generous to a fault. Antony's mother was Julia, was the sister of Lucius Caesar. When her husband died she next married Cornelius Lentulus, the same Lentulus whom Cicero was to put to death in 63 BCE. In his youth Marc Antony was friends with Scribonius Curio, and later with Clodius. But he had the good sense to leave Rome and Clodius before matters became violent. Instead he took command of a cavalry force under Gabinius in 58 BCE, who was joining in Pompey's eastern campaigns. Antony was sent against Aristobulus, the King of Judea. Storming a fortified position, where Antony's force was greatly outnumbered, he managed to defeat the Judeans and captured Aristobulus along with his son. Antony then joined with Ptolemy to regain his throne from Archelaus, the son of Mithridates who had married Berenice, the daughter of Ptolemy Auletes and Queen of Egypt. Antony gained fame in this campaign for his military exploits, most notably in outflanking Archelaus and attacking him from the rear. He also gained reputed with the Egyptian by preventing a massacre of the population of Pelusium by Ptolemy and by providing Archelaus with a royal burial after defeating him (55 BCE). Then, too, like his father, Antony was especially generous to his soldiers and others. All of these things laid a foundation to his later career.

It was his friend Curio who brought Antony back to Rome, had him elected tribune, and made an augur. And it was Curio who also brought Antony into Caesar's camp. Much of his story is known from then. He was a competant commander under Caesar in the Civil War against Pompey. He turned the population of Rome against Caesar's assassins. Was himself declared an enemy of Rome and defeated, but then formed the second Triumvirate with Octavius and Lepidus, eventually to defeat Cassius and Brutus. And then a falling out with Octavius, and his involvement with Cleopatra, led to Antony's strategic defeat at Actium (although actually a tactical victory) in 31 BCE. Finally, on 1 Aug. 30 BCE, his fleet and cavalry going over to Octavius, his infantry defeated outside Alexandria, and believing Cleopatra dead, Antony fell on his own sword.

Marcus Antonius was first married to his cousin Antonia, the daughter of Caius Antonius who was Cicero's colleague in the consulship. He divorced her when there was suspicion that she had been unfaithful with Antony's rival, Dolabella. It was after this first divorce that he entered a disreputable period of revelry. "However, it would seem that Caesar cured him of most of his prodigality and folly." And it was then that Antony married Fulvia, who was the widow of his friend Clodius. It was Fulvia who demanded Cicero's head, Fulvia's daughter Clodia who was married to Octavius to seal his alliance with Antony, and Fulvia whose interference at Rome and dispute with Antony's brother Lucius led to the power struggle between Antony and Octavius. Driven from Italy by Octavius while Antony was in Egypt and had already begun his dalliance with Cleopatra, Fulvia fell ill and died at Sicyon. Reconciled once more, Antony and Octavius divided the Empire between themselves, and gave Africa alone to Lepidus. To seal this resolution, Antony married Octavia, the half sister of Augustus, and by her Antony had two daughters. Antonia prima was the grandmother of Nero. Antonia Secunda was the grandmother of Caligula. Antonia Secunda was also sister-in-law to Tiberius, having married his brother Drusus, and by him she bore Messalina, thus becoming mother-in-law to Claudius. And thus it was that the Julio-Claudii dynasty actually passed through Marcus Antonius, himself the son of a Julia, rather than from Caesar Augustus Octavianus.


The Founding of Lavinium and of Alba Longa

"Of an illicit connection between a daughter of Faunus and Hercules, (who, having killed Geryon about that time, was driving his herds, the prize of his victory, through Italy), was born Latinus, in whose reign Aeneas came from Ilium into Italy, after the destruction of Troy by the Greeks, and being immediately received with hostile demonstrations, led out his troops into the field, but being first invited to a conference, raised such admiration of himself in Latinus, that he was both admitted to a share of his throne, and became his son-in-law by a marriage with his daughter Lavinia. After this event, they had to carry on war in concert against Turnus, king of the Rutulians, because he had been disappointed of marrying Lavinia; and in the war both Turnus and Latinus were killed, Aeneas, in consequence, becoming by right of victory master of both nations, built a city which he called Lavinium, from the name of his wife. Some time afterwards, he went to war with Mezentius, king of the Etrurians, and being killed in it, Ascanius his son succeeded him, who, removing from Lavinium, built Alba Longa, which for three hundred years was the metropolis of his kingdom." ~ M. Iunianus Iustinus, Historia 43.1


Our thought for today comes Julian the Blessed in a Letter to Arcasis::

"The first thing we ought to preach is reverence toward the Gods. For it is fitting that we should perform our service to the Gods as though They were Tthemselves present with us and beheld us, and though not seen by us could direct Their gaze, which is more powerful than any light, even as far as our hidden thoughts."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73006 From: mcorvvs Date: 2010-01-14
Subject: Re: Ides ritual performed by Sacerdos Iovis M.Octavius Corvus
Salvete collega,

At Ides Ianuaris I, M.Octavius Corvus, Sacerdos Iovis, on behalf of People of Nova Roma performed Ides ritual for IOM, using the pattern sent to me by PM M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
Rite was performed in front of the altar of Iuppiter.
Sacrifice was: incense, libum, wine. Ap.Furius Lupus assisted me. During the ritual there was a complete silentium - no birds movement was detected.
Sacrifice was acccpted by the God favourably.

Optime valete,

CORVVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73007 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-15
Subject: a. d. XVIII Kalendas Februarias: CARMENTALIA
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos servent cum vester.

Hodie est XVIII Kalendas Februarias; haec dies nefastus piaculum est: Carmentalia

Today marks the second of what are two separate festivals held for Carmentis. The first festival on 11 Jan. would seem to relate to an earlier cultus conducted by the flamen Carmentalis. The second, held today, originated with a protest by women in 195 BCE to repeal the lex Oppia.

"Formerly the Ausonian mothers drove in carriages (carpenta). The honour was later taken from them, so every woman vowed not to renew their ungrateful husband's line, and to avoid giving birth, unwisely, she expelled her womb's growing burden, using unpredictable force. They say the Senate reproved the wives for their coldness, but restored the right which had been taken from them: and they ordered two like festivals for the Tegean mother, to promote the birth of both boys and girls." ~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.619-628

Livy describes the women leaving their houses to lobby voters in the Forum and protesting before the doors of Tribunes. Consul Cato described their actions as "a feminine secession" and called their political activity "sedition." Tribunes came to their defense, stating, "How haughty are our ears, if we resent the entreaties of decent women!" They reminded the men assembled how Sabine women had stopped the war between Romulus and Tatius, and how the matrons had turned back Coriolanus, how they had provided the gold to ransom the City from the Gauls, and in another moment of crisis how the matrons had led the Ideae Magna Mater Deorum into the City of Rome (Livy 34.1-8). Livy does not mention in this instance what Ovid had, but there were other instances when women were said to have refused the advances of their husbands in protest. Tradition held that the second Carmentalia reflects the day on which women returned their husband's affections. Plutarch goes on to say, "when children were born to them, they, as mothers of a fair and numerous progeny, founded the Temple of Carmentis (Plutarch, Quaes. Rom. 56)." This would seem to indicate that a temple at or near the sacred grove was dedicated in 194 BCE. The cultus here was especially led by women on behalf of children and was revered by women "above all others."

The sacred grove of Carmentis beneath the Capitoline Hill was closely associated with Numa and the origin of the religio Romana. It was in Her sacred grove that he met with Egeria while in ecstatic trance. Through inspiration he learned of rites to perform, which would appear to have been the original function of Carmentis in Her relationship with the vates. The relationship between the Latin word for "song" or "charm" (carmen) and the names of the Goddess as Carmentis, Carmenta, and Carmena is well understood. However Radke argued that the root of Her name derived from 'carn-', Oscan carneis, meaning "part." According to Thomas Habinek, "Carmentis is not a personification of song but the abstraction for 'that which procures or brings allotment.'" 'Carn-' is also the root of caro, carnis (flesh), and "more specifically the portion allotted in a sacrifice. Indeed, as John Scheid observes, Varro (ling. 6.25) uses the expression 'carnem ex sacris petere' in the very context (the distribution of meat at the sacrifice on the Alban Mount). . . Carmentis would thus seem to be a figure associated with sacrifice (through the etymology of her name and her association with allotment) and with prophecy (a fact that led to, rather than derived from, the folk association with carmen. She is, in effect, the quintessential vates." (See "The World of Roman Song: From Ritualized Speech to Social Order," Thomas Habinek, John Hopkins University Press, 2005: ISBN 0-8018-8105-6)

A noted feature of the cultus of Carmentis, and also of other rites begun by Numa, is the absence of any blood sacrifices.

"It is proscribed by religious law to carry leather into the sanctuary lest by death the pure fires of the altar would be violated." ~ Ovid, Fasti 1.639

"In some sacred rites and holy sanctuaries we find the proscriptions: 'Let nothing made of leather be brought in,' therefore with this intent that nothing dead and no blood sacrifices would be admitted." ~ Terrentius Varro, Lingua Latinae 7.84

And finally, from the Fasti Praeneste we have an annotation:

"Feriae Carmenti whereby care is given for the children and the future of all others, for which reason the temple is guarded against leather as though against death of all children."


Our thought of the day is from Epictetus, Enchiridion 10

"Upon every accident, remember to turn towards yourself and inquire what faculty you have for its use. If you encounter a handsome person, you will find continence the faculty needed; if pain, then fortitude; if reviling, then patience. And when thus habituated, the phenomena of existence will not overwhelm you."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73008 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2010-01-15
Subject: AED. CUR. 2763 AUC responsibilities and organisation EDICTUM 2063-01
 
T. Flavius Aquila et Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus omn. s.p.d.

Please find below the edict for setting up the responsibilities between the curule aediles and the organisation of the aedilician team for 2763 auc.

We pay a special homage to the previous aediles and their cohortes.

We would like to express our gratitude to all the dedicated citizens who accepted being a part of this cohors, joined in one aedilician cohors.

Valete omnes,

T.Flavius Aquila et P.Annaeus Constantinus Placidus
- e pluribus unum -

 
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CURULE AEDILES T.FLAVIUS AQUILA et P. ANNAEUS CONSTANTINUS PLACIDUS EDICT
concerning the organization and the responsibilities setup of the aedilician team for 2763 a.u.c. (de ordine cohortis aedilicianae pro MMDCCLXIII auc)

We, Titus Flavius Aquila and Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus,aediles curules, by the authority vested in us by the constitution, the laws and the Senate of Nova Roma, and in view of the existing rules ;

in order to fulfill our duties as elected aediles curules and during this year 2763 auc give the best service to the res publica and to the citizens, we have decided on following setup
 
I. responsibilities:

a.  MMP and proDIIS
 
MMP                      Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus  
proDIIS                  Titus Flavius Aquila  
 
b. Ludi
 
Ludi Megalenses           April 4th – 10th            Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus  
Ludi Novi Romani        March 1st –11th           Titus Flavius Aquila  
Ludi Romani                 September 9th – 17th   Titus Flavius Aquila   
  
c. Macellum


Both aediles curules share this responsibility  

d.ordo equester


Both aediles curules share this responsibility
 
e.Conventus


Both aediles curules share this responsibility
 
f.State real properties


Both aediles curules share this responsibility
 
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II. Organisation of the joined Aedilian Cohors

We have decided on following organization:
 
The Cohors of the Aediles Curules Aquila and Placidus form a joined team - e pluribus unum - called aedilician Cohors.

Each of both aediles keep naturally free, as the constitution of Nova Roma allows them, leaving this joined cohors and form his own aedilician team.
 
a. A joined Aedilian Cohors is formed to assist the aediles curules, with no distinction of particular relationship.

Thus, Aedilis Aquila accepts that his dedicated quaestor helps the whole aedilitas, as well as Aedilis Placidus does the same with regard to his quaestor.

b. The aedilician Cohors

is composed by the following citizens, who will assist the aediles as general advisors and in preparing the Ludi. In addition, these citizens are also assigned to the following tasks :
 
Aula Tullia Scholastica: Prima Scriba of the joined Cohors ; translations in Latin of the aediles edicta and of other documents needed by the aediles' missions.
Conventus North America.
Coordination of the Ludi Megalenses .
Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus: Primus Scriba of the joined Cohors; translations in Latin of the aediles’edicta and of other documents needed by the aediles' missions ;
Maintenance, creation and feeding of the web pages belonging to the aedilitas pages of NR web site.
European conventus.
Coordination of Ludi Novi Romani and Ludi Romani.
 
QuaestorTFA, proDIIS, Macellum, Order Equester , Novi Romani and Ludi Romani,  maintenance, creation and feeding of the web pages belonging to the aedilitas pages of NR web site ; public events;. State real properties ; aedilician fund. Maintenance of the macellum and ordo equester regulations in collaboration with the censorialscribes....

QuaestorPACP, MMP,  Macellum, Ordo Equester,Ludi coordination of Ludi Megalenses and Ludi ;  maintenance, creation and feeding of the web pages belonging to the aedilitas pages of NR web site; public events; State real properties; aedilician fund. Maintenance of the macellum and ordo equester regulations in collaboration with the censorial scribes.
 
Titus Annaeus Regulus: Scriba Macellum, Ordo Equester; Ludi Novi Romani et Romani
 
Lucia Iulia Aquila:  Scriba for Public Relations, Support of the Conventus North America , Support of the Ludi 2763auc
 
Gaius Marius Basilius,Scriba ProDIIS, Religio Romana and relations with the religious institutions of the Cultus Deorum, special task proDIIS Project , reporting directly to Curule Aedile Maior Titus Flavius Aquila.
 
c. The prima/primus scribae will act as the adviser of the aediles curules and report directly to the aediles curules. The Quaestores once assigned to the aediles curules will supervise the areas assigned to them.
 
d. In accordance with NovaRoman laws, the above mentioned citizens are, apart from thequaestores, appointed as Prima scribae et scribae for 2763 auc. As such, they are not asked to pronounce any oath of office.
 
e.  Aediles Titus Flavius Aquila and Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus provide a joined coordination of the Cohors and keep a direct relation with the other powers of Nova Roma. The instructions given in the frame of the Cohors list will be reputed be given under both  authority.
 
f. A further edict will precise the organization of the aedilian fund, and specially of the Magna Mater and the proDIIS Project.

g. Every NovaRoman public officer and her/his department must, as far as each one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be published in Nova Roma Yahoo! relevant lists.
  
h. Aediles Titus Flavius Aquila and Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus remain responsible, towards the People, the Senate and the consuls, praetors and relevant powers, of their duties, whatever they are performed directly by them or by one of their assistants.
 
Every concerned citizen is informed about this edict. 

T. Flavius Aquila et P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus Aediles Curules
Issued simultaneously in Wartenberg, Regionis Raetia,Provincia Germania et Italia,
XVIII Kalendas Februarias. MMDCCLXIII a.u.c. (15th of January 2010)
during the consulate of P. Memmius Albucius and K. Fabius Buteo II

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73009 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2010-01-15
Subject: Curule Aediles EDICTUM 2063-02 Appointment of Scribae
 
T.Flavius Aquila et Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus omn. s.p.d.


We hereby appoint the following citizens as our scribae, with all the obligations and privileges prescribed by the laws of Nova Roma.
 
Aula Tullia Scholastica is appointed prima scriba and Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus is appointed primus scriba.
 
Gaius Marius Basilius, Lucia Iulia Aquila and Titus Annaeus Regulus are appointed scribae.
 
No oath shall be required of them.
 
This edict is effective immediately.
 
T. Flavius Aquila et P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus Aediles Curules
Issued simultaneously in Wartenberg, Regionis Raetia,Provincia Germania et Italia,
XVIII Kalendas Februarias. MMDCCLXIII a.u.c. (15th of January 2010)
during the consulate of P. Memmius Albucius and K. Fabius Buteo II

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73010 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-16
Subject: 2nd Carmentalia a.d. XVIII Kal. Februarius
today the 2nd celebration of the Carmentalia, I performed the ceremony. It was fairly mild with sunshine and clear skies. I made the appropriate sacrifices to Carmentis, I neither heard or observed any bad signs, since I didn't have an assistant this year I couldn't make a video

I prayed for the matrons of Nova Roma and their offspring, may Carmentis and the gods favour us!
M. Hortensia Maior
Flaminica Carmentalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73011 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-16
Subject: a. d. XVII Kalendas Februarias: Concordia Augusta
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di Deaeque vos ament

Hodie est ante diem XVII Kalendas Februaras; haec dies comitialis est: Concordiae; Sol in Aquarium transit; Leo mane incipit occidere; Africus, interdum Auster cum pluvia.

"Radiant one, the next day places you in your snow-white shrine,
Near where lofty Moneta lifts her noble stairway:
Concord, you will gaze on the Latin crowd's prosperity,
Now sacred hands have established you." ~ Ovid, Fasti 1.637-41

The first Temple of Concordia was dedicated by M. Furius Camillus on 22 July 367 BCE. It was built in the north-west corner of the Forum, near the Comitium, beneath the Temple of Juno Moneta. Today's festival, however, refers to the rededication of the Temple of Concordia by Tiberius in 10 CE, which he rebuilt from wealth acquired in his campaigns in Germania in 8 BCE. Tiberius' military career is summed up by Suetonius and Velleius Paterculus:

"His first military service was as tribune of the soldiers in the campaign against the Cantabrians [25 BCE]; then he led an army to the Orient and restored the throne of Armenia to Tigranes, crowning him on the tribunal. He besides recovered the standards which the Parthians had taken from Marcus Crassus. Then for about a year he was governor of Gallia Comata [Transalpine Gaul], which was in a state of unrest through the inroads of the barbarians and the dissensions of its chiefs. Next he carried on war with the Raeti and Vindelici, then in Pannonia, and finally in Germania. In the first of these wars he subdued the Alpine tribes, in the second the Breuci and Dalmatians, and in the third he brought forty thousand prisoners of war over into Gaul and assigned them homes near the bank of the Rhine. Because of these exploits he entered the city both in an ovation and riding in a chariot [7 BCE], having previously, as some think, been honoured with the triumphal regalia, a new kind of distinction never before conferred upon anyone." ~ Suetonius, Lives of the Twelve Caesars: Tiberius 9


"On [Tiberius] Nero's return [from subduing Armenia] Caesar [Augustus] resolved to test his powers in a war of no slight magnitude. In this work he gave him as a collaborator his own brother Drusus Claudius, to whom Livia gave birth when already in the house of Caesar. The two brothers attacked the Raeti and Vindelici from different directions, and after storming many towns and strongholds, as well as engaging successfully in pitched battles, with more danger than real loss to the Roman army, though with much bloodshed on the part of the enemy, they thoroughly subdued these races [in 15 BCE], protected as they were by the nature of the country, difficult of access, strong in numbers, and fiercely warlike.

"Shortly after, the Pannonian war, which had been begun by Agrippa in the consulate of your grandfather, Marcus Vinicius, was conducted by Nero, a war which was important and formidable enough, and on account of its proximity a menace to Italy… After achieving this victory Nero celebrated an ovation. But while everything was being successfully managed in this quarter of the either, a disaster received in Germany under Marcus Lollius the legate — he was a man who was ever more eager for money than for honest action, and of vicious habits in spite of his excessive efforts at concealment — and the loss of the eagle of the fifth legion, summoned Caesar from the city to the provinces of Gaul. The burden of responsibility for this war was then entrusted to Drusus Claudius, the brother of Nero, a young man endowed with as many great qualities as men's nature is capable of receiving or application developing. It would be hard to say whether his talents were the better adapted to a military career or the duties of life; at any rate, the charm and the sweetness of his character are said to have been inimitable, and also his modest attitude of equality towards his friends. As for his personal beauty, it was second only to that of his brother. But, after accomplishing to a great extent the subjection of Germany, in which much blood of that people was shed on various battlefields, an unkind fate carried him off during his consulship, in his thirtieth year. 4 The burden of responsibility for this war was then transferred to Nero. He carried it on with his customary valour and good fortune, and after traversing every part of Germany in a victorious campaign, without any loss of the army entrusted to him - for he made this one of his chief concerns - he so subdued the country as to reduce it almost to the status of a tributary p255province. He then received a second triumph, and a second consulship." ~ excepts from Velleius Paterculus, Historia Romanae ad Marcum Vinicium 2.95-97


Our thought for today comes from Cicero, De Officiis 1.2.5:

"But there are some schools that distort all notions of duty by the theories they propose touching the supreme good and the supreme evil. For he who posits the supreme good as having no connection with virtue and measures it not by a moral standard but by his own interests — if he should be consistent and not rather at times over-ruled by his better nature, he could value neither friendship nor justice nor generosity; and brave he surely cannot possibly be that counts pain the supreme evil, nor temperate he that holds pleasure to be the supreme good."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73012 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-01-16
Subject: Intent to convene the Senate
Quiritibus s.d.

For every one's information, I have informed the Senate of my intent to convene It on the following days, on an agenda yet to be defined.

Valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius cos.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73013 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-17
Subject: a. d. XVI Kalendas Februarias: Ara Numinis Augusti
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos salvam et servatam volunt

Hodie est ante diem XVI Kalendas Februaras; haec dies comitialis est: Felicitas; Ara Numinis Augusti; Cancer desinit occidere; hiemat.

AUC 704 / 49 BCE: Cicero, outside Rome, writes to Atticus in Rome, 17 January

"I have suddenly resolved to leave town before daybreak, to avoid all gazing and gossip, especially with my bay-decked lictors. For the rest, I don't know, by heaven, what to do now or in the future: such is the agitation into which I am thrown by the infatuation of our party's most insane decision. But what counsel should I offer you, you whose advice I am myself anxious to receive? What plan our Gnaeus has adopted, or is adopting, I don't know: as yet he is cooped up in the towns and in a state of lethargy. If he makes a stand in Italy, we shall all be together: if he abandons it, I shall have to reconsider the matter. Up to now, unless I am out of my senses, his proceedings are all fatuous and rash." ~ To Atticus 7.10

AUC 715 / 38 BCE: Marriage of Augustus Caesar to Livia.

AUC 747 / 6 BCE: Dedication of the Ara Numinis Augusti.

AUC 795 / 42 CE: Deification of Livia as Iulia Augusta by Emperor Claudius.

In 6 BCE Tiberius was consul. After preparing to the Temple of Concordia on 16 Jan. he and his mother Livia dedicated the precinct of Livia. He entertained members of the Senate at the Capitolium, while she was hostess elsewhere at a banquet for the ladies of the City. This became a day celebrating Felicitatis in honor of the wedding anniversary of Livia to Augustus. The precinct of Livia has an interesting tale:

"In this same year (15 BCE) Vedius Pollio died. This man had achieved nothing worthy of record, since he was born of a freedman, belonged to the equestrian order and had never performed any action of renown. He had, however, become very well known for two reasons, his wealth and his cruelty, so that he has even found a place in history. Most of his actions are too insignificant to report, but I may mention that he kept in tanks giant eels which had been trained to devour men, and he was in the habit of throwing to them those of his slaves whom he wished to put to death. Once, when he was entertaining Augustus, his cup-bearer broke a crystal goblet. Thereupon Pollio, paying no attention to his guest, ordered the slave to be thrown to the eels. The boy fell on his knees before Augustus and implored his protection, and the emperor at first tried to persuade Pollio not to commit so appalling an action. When Pollio paid no heed, Augustus said, 'Bring all your other drinking vessels like this one, or any others of value that you possess for me to use.' When these were brought, he ordered them to be smashed. Pollio was naturally vexed at the sight; but since he could no longer be angry about the one goblet in view of the multitude of others that had been destroyed, and could not punish his servant for an act which Augustus had repeated, he restrained himself and said nothing. This is the kind of man Pollio was; he died that year as I have mentioned. He left many bequests to many people, and to Augustus he gave a large share of his estate, together with Pausilypon, a stretch of land between Neapolis and Puteoli, with the instructions that some work of outstanding beauty should be erected for the people. On the pretext of putting up such a monument, Augustus had his house razed to the ground, but his real intention was that Pollio should have no monument in the City; instead he built a colonnade and had inscribed on it the name not of Pollio, but of Livia." ~ Cassius Dio 54.23

That same day in 6 BCE saw the dedication of an altar in the precinct of Livia to the "numen" of Augustus, the ara Numinis Augusti. In Rome, this became yet another step towards the deification of Augustus. He had first been named "son of a god," or filius divi, in reference to Julius Caesar. Then the Senate voted him the title of Augustus, meaning "godly." One example is found in an inscription from near La Turbie, Monaco, commemorating the victory of Tiberius and Drusus over Alpine tribes in 15 BCE, where he is called "Emperor Caesar, son of the divine (Caesar), Augustus." Sacrifices of incense were offered to his genius on his birthday, 13 Sept. as was usual on the birthday of any family member or friend. But then it became the practice to offer his genius incense on the thirteenth of every month. Recognizing the numen of Augustus was something more than just celebrating his genius, for it implied a god-like power by which he had brought peace and prosperity to the Empire. After his death eight years later, witnesses testified to his ascension into the heavens and Augustus was declared divine (divus). The imperial cultus for the emperors and their families became a mechanism of standardizing religious practices throughout the Empire of civil administrators and the army, as well as in some Roman colonies. One example of this is an inscription from Narbo in southern Gaul where another Ara Numinis Augusti was dedicated and expresses that the rules governing its use are to be the same as those used in Rome at the Aventine Temple of Diana.

"Numen of Caesar Augustus, Father of our country, when today I give, I dedicate this altar to you, this shall be the rule for this region that I will give and dedicate, for as long as this palus stone shall remain beneath this altar. If anyone should sacrifice a victim upon this altar and set up an inscribed stone, if he wishes to scrub clean, decorate, or repair, may it be a blessing to him, may it be held lawful and right. Or if he should sacrifice any victim, and not have first thoroughly stretched out and examined the entrails, all the same may it be regarded as properly offered. May whatever he may wish to give and enrich this altar be allowed, and at the same time may the rule for the gift be what is normal to this altar. Let the law of this altar be the same as those proclaimed for the altar of Diana on the Aventine Hill, what is said in those laws shall apply in this region as well. This altar is given to you, with these rules for this region, as it was spoken, on behalf of the Emperor Caesar Augustus, Father of his country, pontifex maximus, having the tribunicial powers for thirty five years, for his wife and children and family members, for the Senate and the people of Rome, for the settlers and inhabitants of colony Julia Paterna Narbo, whose cultivating powers they have bound (to this land) in perpetuity, I give and I dedicate, that you may willingly be propitious." ~ Corpus Inscriptiones Latinae 12.4333


Our thought for today, in Plutarch, On the Virtues of Alexander 1.6, comes from Zeno of Citium.

"The much-admired 'Republic' of Zeno, the founder of the Stoic sect, may be summed up in this one main principle, that all the inhabitants of this world of ours should not live differentiated into separate cities and communities, each one marked out by its own legal system, but we should regard all men as our fellow-citizens and local residents, in one community and one polity, and that we should have a common way of life and an order common to us all, even as a herd grazing together and sharing the pasturage of a common field, nurtured by a common law. Zeno wrote this, giving shape to a dream or, as it were, a shadowy image of a philosopher's well-regulated society; but it was Alexander who gave effect to the idea."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73014 From: Robert Date: 2010-01-17
Subject: Interesting development
Avete Omnes,

It has certainly been a while that I have even looked in the NR mainlist, 4 months at least. But, today is a landmark day! I have been informed that the CP in secret, is trying to decide of Cato and I are impious, which is ironic that neither of us are practitioners. So, what's the motivation other than personal vendetta? As Caesar has said, it is simply because we breathe.

So what are the implications of this? Just how will this affect all Christians (including Modianus and Lentulus), Jews and other monotheists in Nova Roma. All I can say is to be prepared, all you monotheists to become second class members in Nova Roma and be prepared to be called impious yourselves.

Me? I just view this at another attempt by petty members of the CP to use religion and thusly further discredit any attempt to actually strengthen the Religio by focusing on non-issues. Way to go CP. Way. To. Go.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Former Censor
Former Consul
Former Praetor Urbanus
Former Queaestor
Current Lictor and Senator.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73015 From: Riku Demyx Date: 2010-01-17
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve,
I do not agree with you being called impious but I beg you to see it from both sides. Our official religion is the Religio, it may be from this that this information comes from. The same persecution happens all the time in america.
Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
Nero




________________________________
From: Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 6:27:39 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Interesting development


Avete Omnes,

It has certainly been a while that I have even looked in the NR mainlist, 4 months at least. But, today is a landmark day! I have been informed that the CP in secret, is trying to decide of Cato and I are impious, which is ironic that neither of us are practitioners. So, what's the motivation other than personal vendetta? As Caesar has said, it is simply because we breathe.

So what are the implications of this? Just how will this affect all Christians (including Modianus and Lentulus), Jews and other monotheists in Nova Roma. All I can say is to be prepared, all you monotheists to become second class members in Nova Roma and be prepared to be called impious yourselves.

Me? I just view this at another attempt by petty members of the CP to use religion and thusly further discredit any attempt to actually strengthen the Religio by focusing on non-issues. Way to go CP. Way. To. Go.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Former Censor
Former Consul
Former Praetor Urbanus
Former Queaestor
Current Lictor and Senator.







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73016 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Cato Gaio Iunio Neroni sal.

There are not "two sides". This is very simply the abuse of religious authority for the attempted satisfaction of personal dislikes.

Do not be fooled into thinking that this has anything to do with the sacra publica. I publicly - repeatedly - challenged Piscinus and Maior and Regulus all to show me a single instance in which I said or did anything to warrant a charge of blasphemy; if they had wanted to throw me out of the Respublica they were given a golden opportunity - repeatedly - as I offered to resign immediately and forever if they could. They could not.

But now the entire mechanism of the government is squarely in their grasp (both praetors, the administers of the law, despise both Sulla and I), and so they have cobbled together a brand new crime with which to assert their "power" and authority.

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
> I do not agree with you being called impious but I beg you to see it from both sides. Our official religion is the Religio, it may be from this that this information comes from. The same persecution happens all the time in america.
> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> Nero
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73017 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: a. d. XV Kalendas Februarias: Juno Lucina
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Bene omnibus nobis

Hodie est ante diem XV Kalendas Februarias; haec dies comitialis est: feriae Iunonis; Aquarius incipit oriri, ventus Africus, tempestatem significat.

JUNO LUCINA

"Come, most chaste Queen of Heaven, appear in royal robes and nod your assent to the wine that is poured and the cakes piled high to await you. With you bring every herb for ending pain, and soothing songs to sing." ~ A. Tibullus IV.6.1

"There stood the grove of the Goddess, dark-shadowed, immemorial – one step inside and you know that some spirit resides within the place. There's a rough old altar, raised by divine hands, where worshippers mutter prayers over incense plumes. Through garland streets, with solemn chanting to the skirl of flutes, and the cheers of bystanders, comes the annual procession, leading snow-white heifers, sleek on Falerian pastures, and young calves, unbellowing, with yet buds on their foreheads. Humble pigs from the sty come next to placate the God, and wethers with horns curved round their temples. Only the goat is banned, by Juno's command. When She fled from Jove's wedding bed, and sought shelter deep within this forest, the bleat of a goat gave Her away. So to this day little children cast sticks at the tattler, and whoever scores first, by Her law, wins a nanny goat as prize. Ahead of the Goddess walks youths and shy virgins, their hems sweeping the broad streets, the girls hair all entwined with gold and jewels, gilded shoes peering out from underneath embroidered mantles. Veiled, white-robed in Greek fashion, maidens bear the sacred vessels on their heads. The crowd falls into silent reverence as Juno Herself passes on a gilded float drawn by Her priestesses." ~ P. Ovidius Naso, 'Amores' 3.13.7-31

A woman's festival for Juno was held on this date. Rather than for the Juno to Whom Ovid refers above, we may suppose this festival to have taken place on the Esquiline Hill for Juno Lucina. "Beneath the Esquiline hillside there was a grove, unaxed for years, named after great Juno (Ovid, Fasti 2.435-436)." The hill had received its name from the many oaks planted on it by King Servius Tullius. The Esquiline had two spurs on either side of the Via Salaria, Mons Oppius and Mons Cespius. The Beech Grove on the left of the road, was on the Oppian Hill, and just beyond it, along a wall, was the first shrine of the Argei. There on the right was the chapel of Lares Querquetulanes who dwelt in the Oak Groves. Then, moving up Mons Cespius, was an Augustan Temple of the Nymphs of healing waters, further up the slope was the sacred grove of Sabine Mefula, and next Her grove was the Temple of Juno Lucina. Mefula, otherwise called Mefitis by the Samnites, was associated with volcanic exhalations and sulfurous waters. Thus Her groves were known as places of purification as at Rome, of prophecy as with the White Sibyl near the River Albuna outside Tibur, and of healing waters as with Mefitis Utiana of Potentia. At Rome Mefitis was called upon mostly to avert pestilence brought by malodorous airs. Nearby were the temples of Dea Iuno Februa (Goddess of Purification) and Bona Salus (Goddess of Good Health). Across the way were temples dedicated to the goddesses of fevers, Terzana and Quartana. Like Mefula, these were considered goddesses of the Underworld who could avert, as well as bring on, fevers. It was in the midst of this complex of temples related to healing, situated on Mons Cespius, that King Titus Tatius first dedicated an oak grove to Juno Lucina. Then in 375 BCE, a Temple of Juno Lucina was erected in Her locus (Varro, LL v.49, 50, 74; Fest. 348; Dionys 4.1.5; Pliny NH 16.2.35).


"Because it is You, Goddess, who brings life into the light of day, kind Lucina, I pray that You spare pregnant girls from labor's hardship, and gently birth ripened infants from their wombs." ~ Ovid, Fasti 2.451-452


Our thought for today is taken from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 3.3:

"Thou hast embarked, thou hast made the voyage, thou art come to shore; get out. If indeed to another life, there is no want of Gods, not even there. But if to a state without sensation, thou wilt cease to be held by pains and pleasures, and to be a slave to the vessel, which is as much inferior as that which serves it is superior: for the one is intelligence and deity; the other is earth and corruption."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73018 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: a. d. XV Kalendas Februarias: Juno Lucina
Cato Moravio Piscino sal.

Actually, the celebration of Iuno Lucina is the Matronalia on the kalends of Martias, not today.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
> M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Bene omnibus nobis
>
> Hodie est ante diem XV Kalendas Februarias; haec dies comitialis est: feriae Iunonis; Aquarius incipit oriri, ventus Africus, tempestatem significat.
>
> JUNO LUCINA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73019 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: a.d XV Kal. Feb.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Today is, however, the celebration of the Theogamia of Hera from ancient Greece:

"I sing of golden-throned Hera whom Rhea bore. Queen of the immortals
is she, surpassing all in beauty: she is the sister and the wife of
loud-thundering Zeus, the glorious one whom all theblessed throughout
high Olympus reverence and honor even as Zeus who delights in
thunder." - Homeric Hymn to Hera

"For Hera sent the Sphinx, whose mother was Echidna and her father
Typhon; and she [the Sphinx] had the face of a woman, the breast and
feet and tail of a lion, and the wings of a bird. And having learned a
riddle from the Muses, she sat on Mount Phicium, and propounded it to
the Thebans. And the riddle was this:-- What is that which has one
voice and yet becomes four-footed and two-footed and three-footed? Now
the Thebans were in possession of an oracle which declared that they
should be rid of the Sphinx whenever they had read her riddle; so they
often met and discussed the answer, and when they could not find it
the Sphinx used to snatch away one of them and gobble him up." -
Apollodorus, Library and Epitome 3.5.8

"So he [Zeus] sat down there upon his throne; but Hera saw, and failed
not to note how silver-footed Thetis, daughter of the old man of the
sea, had taken counsel with him. Forthwith then she spoke to Zeus, son
of Cronos, with mocking words: Who of the gods, crafty one, has now
again taken counsel with you? Always is it your pleasure to hold
aloof from me, and to give judgments which you have pondered in
secret, nor have you ever brought yourself with a ready heart to
declare to me the matter which you devise. In answer to her spoke the
father of men and gods: Hera, do not hope to know all my words: hard
will they prove for you, though you are my wife. Whatever it is
fitting for you to hear, this none other shall know before you,
whether of gods or men; but what I wish to devise apart from the gods,
of all this do not in any way inquire nor ask. In answer to him spoke
the ox-eyed lady Hera..." - Homer, Iliad 1.535-550

Both sister and wife of Zeus, Hera is queen of the gods. She was the third daughter of Rhea and Cronos, called the "gold-shod Hera". Like her brothers and sisters (all but Zeus and possibly Poseidon) she was
swallowed by her father as she left her mother's womb, and regurgitated later when Rhea got tired of having her children
swallowed. After her regurgitation Hera was tended to by the three
Naiades Euryboea, Prosymna, and Acraea. At the Heraeum (an important
temple of Hera's) the environs of the sanctuary is called Euryboea,
the land beneath the Heraeum Prosymna, and the hill opposite the
temple is named Acraea after the three nurses' attendence on the goddess.

The Greeks revered her as protector of marriage, especially married
women. This may be because she had such a difficult marriage herself.
Zeus was not the least bit faithful, always succumbing to his lust for
other women - mortal as well as immortal. Hera herself, however, was
always faithful despite the repeated attentions of others trying to
take her away. Hera was not the first wife of Zeus; His first wife
was Metis, goddess of wisdom. Hesoid believed that she knew more
things than the gods and men put together. Themis was Zeus's second
wife. She was the law that regulated both physical and moral order.
Even after she was replaced by Hera, Themis continued to remain near
Zeus as an advisor, and was always revered on Olympus. Hera was Zeus's
official consort; Her rage however, was a result of the dramatics
that took place throughout their marriage.

Once when Zeus was being partcularly overbearing to the other gods,
Hera convinced them to join in a revolt. Her part in the revolt was to
drug Zeus, and in this she was successful. The gods then bound the
sleeping Zeus to a couch taking care to tie many knots. This done they
began to quarrel over the next step. One of the Hecatonchires
("hundred-handed ones"), Briareus, overheard the arguements. Still
full of gratitude to Zeus for having rescued him from Tartarus,
Briareus slipped in and was able to quickly untie the many knots. Zeus
sprang from the couch and grapped up his thuderbolt. The gods fell to
their knees begging and pleading for mercy --- except for Hera, who
stood aloof and refused to acknowledge him. In fury, Zeus seized Hera
and hung her from the sky with gold chains. She wept in pain all night
but, none of the others dared to interfere. Her weeping kept Zeus up
and the next morning he agreed to release her if she would swear never
to rebel again. She had little choice but to agree. While she never
again rebelled, she often intrigued against Zeus's plans and she was
often able to outwit him.

Hera's sacred animals are the cow and the peacock, a symbol of pride.
Her epithets are Agreie (of Argos), Akraia (of the Heights), Boophis
(Cow/Ox-Eyed), Gamelia (of Marriage), Khera (the Widow), Lakinia,
Leukolenos (White-Armed), Limenia, Nympheuomene (Led as a Bride), Pais
(Maiden), Parthenos (Virgin), Teleia (Accomplisher), Zygia (Uniter).

Hera's counterpart in Rome is Iuno, which may be where the confusion lay.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73020 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Senators Cato and Sulla;

Apparently you are not alone. I have been refused re-admittance to
the Senate by the organization without good reason. Yes , I resigned;
however as I explained I was in a deep depression over the probability
of losing both legs due to a widely spread infection on my legs and
upper torso. I have since apologized and explained that resignation
in detail and have asked to be restored as a citizen in NR. That was
very graciously allowed, with only one or two negative comments.
However, even though I can post on the Senate list and vote, it is my
understanding that I have been blocked from returning to the Senate as
a Senator by the Censor's Office. So, I too, am a member of the
Senate List only because of my prior service as Consul and even though
I hold the honor of Cursus Honorium, I am deemed as unsuitable for
restoration to the Senate with no indication of what I must do in
order to be allowed back in. Our founder was admitted twice to the
Senate without a problem, and I believe that Senator Cato was as
well. It is unfortunate that I am not deemed as suitable for such a
privilege,

So, apparently we are all three under some sort of cloud, and it is
unfortunate that the cause / purpose / reason of the arrangement is a
secret one from the three of us.

It has long been said that the Religious views of NR citizens do not
enter into their membership in NR. However, over the years selected
people have indicated here and elsewhere that all Christians were not
welcome. After each of these outbursts there is always the hasty
assurance that such is not true. It can be quite confusing at times.
The gentleman is quite right that the Religio is the official religion
of NR, and I respect that, as well as the gods to which that Religio
applies. I would hope that the same respect is afforded to my deities
and my beliefs as well. It is a fairly simple thing to do, unless one
has a secondary motive in mind.

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens
On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Cato wrote:

> Cato Gaio Iunio Neroni sal.
>
> There are not "two sides". This is very simply the abuse of
> religious authority for the attempted satisfaction of personal
> dislikes.
>
> Do not be fooled into thinking that this has anything to do with the
> sacra publica. I publicly - repeatedly - challenged Piscinus and
> Maior and Regulus all to show me a single instance in which I said
> or did anything to warrant a charge of blasphemy; if they had wanted
> to throw me out of the Respublica they were given a golden
> opportunity - repeatedly - as I offered to resign immediately and
> forever if they could. They could not.
>
> But now the entire mechanism of the government is squarely in their
> grasp (both praetors, the administers of the law, despise both Sulla
> and I), and so they have cobbled together a brand new crime with
> which to assert their "power" and authority.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> > I do not agree with you being called impious but I beg you to see
> it from both sides. Our official religion is the Religio, it may be
> from this that this information comes from. The same persecution
> happens all the time in america.
> > Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> > Nero
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73021 From: Riku Demyx Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve,
How quickly you all jump to religious reasons, There could be other reasons for the unfairness, but no it MUST be religious discrimination. IF I apply for a job and denied I don;t automatically assume. "Dear Gods it must be because I'm Pagan"
Let's not play the martyr card, look at all the points and issues.
Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
Nero


________________________________
From: James Mathews <JLMTopog@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 1:45:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Interesting development

Senators Cato and Sulla;

Apparently you are not alone. I have been refused re-admittance to
the Senate by the organization without good reason. Yes , I resigned;
however as I explained I was in a deep depression over the probability
of losing both legs due to a widely spread infection on my legs and
upper torso. I have since apologized and explained that resignation
in detail and have asked to be restored as a citizen in NR. That was
very graciously allowed, with only one or two negative comments.
However, even though I can post on the Senate list and vote, it is my
understanding that I have been blocked from returning to the Senate as
a Senator by the Censor's Office. So, I too, am a member of the
Senate List only because of my prior service as Consul and even though
I hold the honor of Cursus Honorium, I am deemed as unsuitable for
restoration to the Senate with no indication of what I must do in
order to be allowed back in. Our founder was admitted twice to the
Senate without a problem, and I believe that Senator Cato was as
well. It is unfortunate that I am not deemed as suitable for such a
privilege,

So, apparently we are all three under some sort of cloud, and it is
unfortunate that the cause / purpose / reason of the arrangement is a
secret one from the three of us.

It has long been said that the Religious views of NR citizens do not
enter into their membership in NR. However, over the years selected
people have indicated here and elsewhere that all Christians were not
welcome. After each of these outbursts there is always the hasty
assurance that such is not true. It can be quite confusing at times.
The gentleman is quite right that the Religio is the official religion
of NR, and I respect that, as well as the gods to which that Religio
applies. I would hope that the same respect is afforded to my deities
and my beliefs as well. It is a fairly simple thing to do, unless one
has a secondary motive in mind.

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens
On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Cato wrote:

> Cato Gaio Iunio Neroni sal.
>
> There are not "two sides". This is very simply the abuse of
> religious authority for the attempted satisfaction of personal
> dislikes.
>
> Do not be fooled into thinking that this has anything to do with the
> sacra publica. I publicly - repeatedly - challenged Piscinus and
> Maior and Regulus all to show me a single instance in which I said
> or did anything to warrant a charge of blasphemy; if they had wanted
> to throw me out of the Respublica they were given a golden
> opportunity - repeatedly - as I offered to resign immediately and
> forever if they could. They could not.
>
> But now the entire mechanism of the government is squarely in their
> grasp (both praetors, the administers of the law, despise both Sulla
> and I), and so they have cobbled together a brand new crime with
> which to assert their "power" and authority.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> > I do not agree with you being called impious but I beg you to see
> it from both sides. Our official religion is the Religio, it may be
> from this that this information comes from. The same persecution
> happens all the time in america.
> > Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> > Nero
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73022 From: Deandrea Boyle Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Edictum Praetricum de Creatione Scribarum
Equestria Iunia Laeca M. Hortensia Maior Praetrices Quiritibus Novae
Romae salutem plurimam dicunt

--------------------------------------------------
Edictum Praetricum de Creatione Scribarum

By this proclamation, we hereby form a joint praetorian cohors for
2763 AUC and appoint the following citizens as scribae:

- Aula Tullia Scholastica
- Marcus Iulius Severus
- Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
- Gaius Marcius Crispus
- Lucia Iulia Aquila

Under our direction, these members are given the authority necessary
to fulfill any specific tasks assigned to them within the praetura.
This includes, but is not limited to, moderation of the fora,
maintenance of the tabularium, and assistance with legal procedures.
--------------------------------------------------

We extend our gratitude to these citizens for their willingness to
serve in this years praetorian cohors.

No oath shall be required. This edict takes effect immediately.

Given under our hands this 18th day of January 2763 AUC (2010 CE) in
the consulship of P. Memmius Albucius and K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus.

Valete

Equestria Iunia Laeca
M. Hortensia Maior
Praetrices
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73023 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve Frater!

To keep it short. You can be very sure that the reason tat You are not
re-admittied to the senate is NOT because You are a Christian. There
is no likeness between your case and the case of cato and Sulla. You
have always shown respect to the Religio and there is no reason to
compare You with Cato and Sulla.

**********

18 jan 2010 kl. 21.45 skrev James Mathews:

Senators Cato and Sulla;

Apparently you are not alone. I have been refused re-admittance to
the Senate by the organization without good reason. Yes , I resigned;
however as I explained I was in a deep depression over the probability
of losing both legs due to a widely spread infection on my legs and
upper torso. I have since apologized and explained that resignation
in detail and have asked to be restored as a citizen in NR. That was
very graciously allowed, with only one or two negative comments.
However, even though I can post on the Senate list and vote, it is my
understanding that I have been blocked from returning to the Senate as
a Senator by the Censor's Office. So, I too, am a member of the
Senate List only because of my prior service as Consul and even though
I hold the honor of Cursus Honorium, I am deemed as unsuitable for
restoration to the Senate with no indication of what I must do in
order to be allowed back in. Our founder was admitted twice to the
Senate without a problem, and I believe that Senator Cato was as
well. It is unfortunate that I am not deemed as suitable for such a
privilege,

So, apparently we are all three under some sort of cloud, and it is
unfortunate that the cause / purpose / reason of the arrangement is a
secret one from the three of us.

It has long been said that the Religious views of NR citizens do not
enter into their membership in NR. However, over the years selected
people have indicated here and elsewhere that all Christians were not
welcome. After each of these outbursts there is always the hasty
assurance that such is not true. It can be quite confusing at times.
The gentleman is quite right that the Religio is the official religion
of NR, and I respect that, as well as the gods to which that Religio
applies. I would hope that the same respect is afforded to my deities
and my beliefs as well. It is a fairly simple thing to do, unless one
has a secondary motive in mind.

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens
On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Cato wrote:

> Cato Gaio Iunio Neroni sal.
>
> There are not "two sides". This is very simply the abuse of
> religious authority for the attempted satisfaction of personal
> dislikes.
>
> Do not be fooled into thinking that this has anything to do with the
> sacra publica. I publicly - repeatedly - challenged Piscinus and
> Maior and Regulus all to show me a single instance in which I said
> or did anything to warrant a charge of blasphemy; if they had wanted
> to throw me out of the Respublica they were given a golden
> opportunity - repeatedly - as I offered to resign immediately and
> forever if they could. They could not.
>
> But now the entire mechanism of the government is squarely in their
> grasp (both praetors, the administers of the law, despise both Sulla
> and I), and so they have cobbled together a brand new crime with
> which to assert their "power" and authority.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>>
>> Salve,
>> I do not agree with you being called impious but I beg you to see
> it from both sides. Our official religion is the Religio, it may be
> from this that this information comes from. The same persecution
> happens all the time in america.
>> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
>> Nero
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



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Civis Romanus sum
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae

************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73024 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve Nero;
welcome back, I'd like to encourage you and all cives to think about contributing to the Ludi Apollinares in honor of Apollo. The praetrices are in charge of the games.

Poetry, photos, music....Laeca and I would love to see Nova Romans in harmony.
vale
Maior



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
> How quickly you all jump to religious reasons, There could be other reasons for the unfairness, but no it MUST be religious discrimination. IF I apply for a job and denied I don;t automatically assume. "Dear Gods it must be because I'm Pagan"
> Let's not play the martyr card, look at all the points and issues.
> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> Nero
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: James Mathews <JLMTopog@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 1:45:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Interesting development
>
> Senators Cato and Sulla;
>
> Apparently you are not alone. I have been refused re-admittance to
> the Senate by the organization without good reason. Yes , I resigned;
> however as I explained I was in a deep depression over the probability
> of losing both legs due to a widely spread infection on my legs and
> upper torso. I have since apologized and explained that resignation
> in detail and have asked to be restored as a citizen in NR. That was
> very graciously allowed, with only one or two negative comments.
> However, even though I can post on the Senate list and vote, it is my
> understanding that I have been blocked from returning to the Senate as
> a Senator by the Censor's Office. So, I too, am a member of the
> Senate List only because of my prior service as Consul and even though
> I hold the honor of Cursus Honorium, I am deemed as unsuitable for
> restoration to the Senate with no indication of what I must do in
> order to be allowed back in. Our founder was admitted twice to the
> Senate without a problem, and I believe that Senator Cato was as
> well. It is unfortunate that I am not deemed as suitable for such a
> privilege,
>
> So, apparently we are all three under some sort of cloud, and it is
> unfortunate that the cause / purpose / reason of the arrangement is a
> secret one from the three of us.
>
> It has long been said that the Religious views of NR citizens do not
> enter into their membership in NR. However, over the years selected
> people have indicated here and elsewhere that all Christians were not
> welcome. After each of these outbursts there is always the hasty
> assurance that such is not true. It can be quite confusing at times.
> The gentleman is quite right that the Religio is the official religion
> of NR, and I respect that, as well as the gods to which that Religio
> applies. I would hope that the same respect is afforded to my deities
> and my beliefs as well. It is a fairly simple thing to do, unless one
> has a secondary motive in mind.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Audens
> On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Cato wrote:
>
> > Cato Gaio Iunio Neroni sal.
> >
> > There are not "two sides". This is very simply the abuse of
> > religious authority for the attempted satisfaction of personal
> > dislikes.
> >
> > Do not be fooled into thinking that this has anything to do with the
> > sacra publica. I publicly - repeatedly - challenged Piscinus and
> > Maior and Regulus all to show me a single instance in which I said
> > or did anything to warrant a charge of blasphemy; if they had wanted
> > to throw me out of the Respublica they were given a golden
> > opportunity - repeatedly - as I offered to resign immediately and
> > forever if they could. They could not.
> >
> > But now the entire mechanism of the government is squarely in their
> > grasp (both praetors, the administers of the law, despise both Sulla
> > and I), and so they have cobbled together a brand new crime with
> > which to assert their "power" and authority.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve,
> > > I do not agree with you being called impious but I beg you to see
> > it from both sides. Our official religion is the Religio, it may be
> > from this that this information comes from. The same persecution
> > happens all the time in america.
> > > Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> > > Nero
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73025 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Cato Quintiliano sal.

Again, the insinuation that I am somehow antagonistic toward the sacra publica rears its nasty head, even when repeated challenges to prove this have failed, and simply because they ARE. NOT. TRUE.

Anyone who says that I am inimical to the State cult is, quite simply, lying. No "ifs", "ands", or "buts".

In fact, many of the comments made about my private cultus actually violate the contumelia pietate clause in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis. Look it up.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Christer Edling <christer.edling@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Frater!
>
> To keep it short. You can be very sure that the reason tat You are not
> re-admittied to the senate is NOT because You are a Christian. There
> is no likeness between your case and the case of cato and Sulla. You
> have always shown respect to the Religio and there is no reason to
> compare You with Cato and Sulla.
>
> **********
>
> 18 jan 2010 kl. 21.45 skrev James Mathews:
>
> Senators Cato and Sulla;
>
> Apparently you are not alone. I have been refused re-admittance to
> the Senate by the organization without good reason. Yes , I resigned;
> however as I explained I was in a deep depression over the probability
> of losing both legs due to a widely spread infection on my legs and
> upper torso. I have since apologized and explained that resignation
> in detail and have asked to be restored as a citizen in NR. That was
> very graciously allowed, with only one or two negative comments.
> However, even though I can post on the Senate list and vote, it is my
> understanding that I have been blocked from returning to the Senate as
> a Senator by the Censor's Office. So, I too, am a member of the
> Senate List only because of my prior service as Consul and even though
> I hold the honor of Cursus Honorium, I am deemed as unsuitable for
> restoration to the Senate with no indication of what I must do in
> order to be allowed back in. Our founder was admitted twice to the
> Senate without a problem, and I believe that Senator Cato was as
> well. It is unfortunate that I am not deemed as suitable for such a
> privilege,
>
> So, apparently we are all three under some sort of cloud, and it is
> unfortunate that the cause / purpose / reason of the arrangement is a
> secret one from the three of us.
>
> It has long been said that the Religious views of NR citizens do not
> enter into their membership in NR. However, over the years selected
> people have indicated here and elsewhere that all Christians were not
> welcome. After each of these outbursts there is always the hasty
> assurance that such is not true. It can be quite confusing at times.
> The gentleman is quite right that the Religio is the official religion
> of NR, and I respect that, as well as the gods to which that Religio
> applies. I would hope that the same respect is afforded to my deities
> and my beliefs as well. It is a fairly simple thing to do, unless one
> has a secondary motive in mind.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Audens
> On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Cato wrote:
>
> > Cato Gaio Iunio Neroni sal.
> >
> > There are not "two sides". This is very simply the abuse of
> > religious authority for the attempted satisfaction of personal
> > dislikes.
> >
> > Do not be fooled into thinking that this has anything to do with the
> > sacra publica. I publicly - repeatedly - challenged Piscinus and
> > Maior and Regulus all to show me a single instance in which I said
> > or did anything to warrant a charge of blasphemy; if they had wanted
> > to throw me out of the Respublica they were given a golden
> > opportunity - repeatedly - as I offered to resign immediately and
> > forever if they could. They could not.
> >
> > But now the entire mechanism of the government is squarely in their
> > grasp (both praetors, the administers of the law, despise both Sulla
> > and I), and so they have cobbled together a brand new crime with
> > which to assert their "power" and authority.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Salve,
> >> I do not agree with you being called impious but I beg you to see
> > it from both sides. Our official religion is the Religio, it may be
> > from this that this information comes from. The same persecution
> > happens all the time in america.
> >> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> >> Nero
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
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> Civis Romanus sum
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
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> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
> ************************************************
> Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
> Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
>
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
> ************************************************
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>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73026 From: marcus.lucretius Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: DO NOT FEED THE TROLL. Was: Interesting development
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> Avete Omnes,
>
> It has certainly been a while that I have even looked in the NR mainlist, 4 months at least. But, today is a landmark day! I have been informed that the CP in secret, ....

[SNIP]


Thank you for this dose of unsubstantiated innuendo, exactly the sort of bullshit you like to sling around.




People, NO NOT FEED THIS TROLL




MLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73027 From: Robert Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Was: Interesting development
Poor poor Agricola has nothing substantive to add....because he cannot.

Whereas I have an email confirmation from the Consul which I hereby quote in full:

Salve senator,

I confirm the good reception of your draft. I will come back to you to let you informed. I intend to give a general information to the Senate, during the coming session, on the just begun work, its method and aims.

On the CP, I have in effect been informed today, by the Pontifex Maximus, of its session, and of its agenda. I have thus taken knowledge of the following points:
"VII. Consideration of whether to declare LCSF impius.
VIII. Consideration of whether to declare CEC impius."

I have asked a few hours ago the PM for informations on the consequences of such impietas possible decision. I will keep you informed.

Vale,



Albucius cos.

___
END QUOTE

EPIC FAIL Agricola, Try again.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcus.lucretius" <marcus.lucretius@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >
> > Avete Omnes,
> >
> > It has certainly been a while that I have even looked in the NR mainlist, 4 months at least. But, today is a landmark day! I have been informed that the CP in secret, ....
>
> [SNIP]
>
>
> Thank you for this dose of unsubstantiated innuendo, exactly the sort of bullshit you like to sling around.
>
>
>
>
> People, NO NOT FEED THIS TROLL
>
>
>
>
> MLA
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73028 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: "---jump to religous conclusions---"
Master Nero;

Perhaps the reason that members of NR "jump to religious conclusions"
has to do, as I have mentioned previously, because that very topic has
arisen again and again in NR with Senators on this list suggesting
that Christians be removed from Nova Roma. Now I don't know you and
you certainly don't know me, so I will not debate you on this. You
are new back to NR supposedly and may not be aware of what has gone
before.

My brother Senator Quintillianus has assured me that the reason I have
not been returned to the Senate has nothing to do with my belief
structure and that is good enough for me. He is an honorable
gentleman and I believe what he has to say.

So, that leaves only one reason that I have been excluded from the
privilege of returning and that is personal dislike on the part of one
or more individuals. That is unfortunate that such can occur in the
personages that hold political power. Particularly since those who
have made such a decision are too cowardly to admit the reasons. As I
have indicated the Founder was readmitted after he resigned on two
occasions and Cato has been readmitted and is disliked by a number of
Senate members. Since I have been told that I have many friends here
in Nova Roma and the Senate by several people whose judgement I value,
I can only make the above assumption. If I am wrong then it is only
because no explanation has been offered and that is not only unfair
and despicable, but to my mind is cowardly as well.

As I have said and demonstrated on many, many occasions, I respect and
honor the Religio and the Gods to which those believers are involved,
just as I do any individual belief structure that does not attempt to
deprive me of my rights or liberty.

It has been suggested that I am a threat to Nova Roma because some
people see me as someone who would attempt to destroy Nova Roma or as
someone who is a constant "gadfly." Both of these ideas are not only
ridiculous but insulting as well and I offer my past, present, and
future actions as indicators, I was proud to serve as Consul and hold
the Cursus Honorium, I have founded two Sodalitas; and have taken over
two more because the founder left them to my clearing of the "trash"
and restored them to use. , I have been a Governor of my province
twice and have brought back several people from leaving NR in that
position, on of which is now a Senator. I am part of the senior staff
of the Legio III "Cyrenaica" and have served in the past as Editor and
Senior Editor of the "Eagle." The issues that I presided over are
still on-line for anyone to read. When I was relieved without reason
from my appointment as Senior Editor by the then Consul, I have
continued producing the "Roman Times" and "Pilum" publications on my
own, and I have established a "Roman Studies" blog which demonstrates
my hobby of map making and model building. In regard to being a
"Gadfly" I have made several proposals to the Senate over the years,
and when they were voted down, I made no comment and went along with
the vote. I think over the years I have made two proposals to the
Senate to consider and both have been ignored, which I then decided
was enough reason to put those ideas away for this organization.
Obviously, considering the above, I am a very real danger to Nova
Roma!!!!!

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73029 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-18
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Senator Quintillions

My apologies to the list for this message but I can no longer contact
the Senator at his private E-Mail address.

Frater, I am so glad that you have written. I was very worried. I
have sent you three messages, but have had no reply. Your phone call
telling me of your reasons was most releaving and I am glad to hear
that things are now better. Would you please at your liesure review
my three previous mmessages and give me some sort of response to the
questions therein? My thanks for your message and contact. I am
greatly relieved.

Respectfully and With Great Relief;

Marcus Audens
On Jan 18, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Christer Edling wrote:

> Salve Frater!
>
> To keep it short. You can be very sure that the reason tat You are not
> re-admittied to the senate is NOT because You are a Christian. There
> is no likeness between your case and the case of cato and Sulla. You
> have always shown respect to the Religio and there is no reason to
> compare You with Cato and Sulla.
>
> **********
>
> 18 jan 2010 kl. 21.45 skrev James Mathews:
>
> Senators Cato and Sulla;
>
> Apparently you are not alone. I have been refused re-admittance to
> the Senate by the organization without good reason. Yes , I resigned;
> however as I explained I was in a deep depression over the probability
> of losing both legs due to a widely spread infection on my legs and
> upper torso. I have since apologized and explained that resignation
> in detail and have asked to be restored as a citizen in NR. That was
> very graciously allowed, with only one or two negative comments.
> However, even though I can post on the Senate list and vote, it is my
> understanding that I have been blocked from returning to the Senate as
> a Senator by the Censor's Office. So, I too, am a member of the
> Senate List only because of my prior service as Consul and even though
> I hold the honor of Cursus Honorium, I am deemed as unsuitable for
> restoration to the Senate with no indication of what I must do in
> order to be allowed back in. Our founder was admitted twice to the
> Senate without a problem, and I believe that Senator Cato was as
> well. It is unfortunate that I am not deemed as suitable for such a
> privilege,
>
> So, apparently we are all three under some sort of cloud, and it is
> unfortunate that the cause / purpose / reason of the arrangement is a
> secret one from the three of us.
>
> It has long been said that the Religious views of NR citizens do not
> enter into their membership in NR. However, over the years selected
> people have indicated here and elsewhere that all Christians were not
> welcome. After each of these outbursts there is always the hasty
> assurance that such is not true. It can be quite confusing at times.
> The gentleman is quite right that the Religio is the official religion
> of NR, and I respect that, as well as the gods to which that Religio
> applies. I would hope that the same respect is afforded to my deities
> and my beliefs as well. It is a fairly simple thing to do, unless one
> has a secondary motive in mind.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Audens
> On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Cato wrote:
>
> > Cato Gaio Iunio Neroni sal.
> >
> > There are not "two sides". This is very simply the abuse of
> > religious authority for the attempted satisfaction of personal
> > dislikes.
> >
> > Do not be fooled into thinking that this has anything to do with the
> > sacra publica. I publicly - repeatedly - challenged Piscinus and
> > Maior and Regulus all to show me a single instance in which I said
> > or did anything to warrant a charge of blasphemy; if they had wanted
> > to throw me out of the Respublica they were given a golden
> > opportunity - repeatedly - as I offered to resign immediately and
> > forever if they could. They could not.
> >
> > But now the entire mechanism of the government is squarely in their
> > grasp (both praetors, the administers of the law, despise both Sulla
> > and I), and so they have cobbled together a brand new crime with
> > which to assert their "power" and authority.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Salve,
> >> I do not agree with you being called impious but I beg you to see
> > it from both sides. Our official religion is the Religio, it may be
> > from this that this information comes from. The same persecution
> > happens all the time in america.
> >> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> >> Nero
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73030 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Edictum Praetricum de Creatione Scribarum
C. Petronius Eq. Iuniæ M. Hortensiæ prætricibus salutem dicit plurimam,

> By this proclamation, we hereby form a joint praetorian cohors for
> 2763 AUC and appoint the following citizens as scribae:
>
> - Aula Tullia Scholastica
> - Marcus Iulius Severus
> - Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
> - Gaius Marcius Crispus
> - Lucia Iulia Aquila

Congratulations !

Warning: I am yet into the Main List moderators. Care to remove me from this status. I was the quaestor/scriba of the former praetor Cn. Equitius Marinus to be into the moderators, but now it is no reasons to keep me into this group.

Moreover being elected Tribunus Plebis I do not want to lay me open to criticism of arbitrary mix of powers.

Thank you.

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
A.d. XIV Kalendas Februarias
P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73031 From: Deandrea Boyle Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Edictum Praetricum de Creatione Scribarum
Equestria Iunia Laeca Praetrix C. Petronio Dextro Tribunus Plebis sal.

Thank you. I agree with your necessarily independent mindset as
tribune. At the moment, my internet access is extremely unstable due
to a storm we had here two days ago. Once I can get back into
yahoogroups, I will remove you et al. from the praetorian cohors.

Optime vale.



On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:58 AM, petronius_dexter wrote:

> C. Petronius Eq. Iuniæ M. Hortensiæ prætricibus salutem dicit
> plurimam,
>
>> By this proclamation, we hereby form a joint praetorian cohors for
>> 2763 AUC and appoint the following citizens as scribae:
>>
>> - Aula Tullia Scholastica
>> - Marcus Iulius Severus
>> - Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
>> - Gaius Marcius Crispus
>> - Lucia Iulia Aquila
>
> Congratulations !
>
> Warning: I am yet into the Main List moderators. Care to remove me
> from this status. I was the quaestor/scriba of the former praetor
> Cn. Equitius Marinus to be into the moderators, but now it is no
> reasons to keep me into this group.
>
> Moreover being elected Tribunus Plebis I do not want to lay me open
> to criticism of arbitrary mix of powers.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Optime valete.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> A.d. XIV Kalendas Februarias
> P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73032 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: a. d. XIV Kalendas Februarias: Sulpicia, the Most Chaste Matron
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus sitis

Hodie est ante diem XIIII Kalendas Februarias; haec dies comitialis est:

AUC 704 / 49 BCE: 19 January, Cicero, in Campania, writes to Atticus in Rome, as Caesar advances on Corfinium

"WHAT in the world does it mean? What is going on? I am quite in the dark. "We are in occupation of Cingulum," says some one; "we have lost Ancona." "Labienus has abandoned Caesar." Are we talking of an imperator of the Roman people, or of a Hannibal? Madman! Miserable wretch, that has never seen even a shadow of virtue! And he says that he is doing all this "to support his honour! " ~ To Atticus 7.11

"Accordingly, the consuls fled, without even making the sacrifices usual before departure; most of the senators also fled, after seizing, in a sort of robbery, whatever came to hand of their own possessions, as though it were the property of others. Some, too, who before this had vehemently espoused the cause of Caesar, were now frightened out of their wits, and were carried along, when there was no need of it, by the sweep of the great tide. But most pitiful was the sight of the city, now that so great a tempest was bearing down upon her, carried along like a ship abandoned of her helmsmen to dash against whatever lay in her path. Still, although their removal was so pitiful a thing, for the sake of Pompey men considered exile to be their country, and abandoned Rome with the feeling that it was Caesar's camp. For even Labienus, one of Caesar's greatest friends, who had been his legate and had fought most zealously with him in all his Gallic wars, now ran away from him and came to Pompey.

"But Caesar sent to Labienus his money and his baggage; against Domitius, however, who was holding Corfinium with thirty cohorts under his command, he marched, and pitched his camp near by. Domitius, despairing of his enterprise, asked his physician, who was a slave, for a poison; and taking what was given him, drank it, intending to die. But after a little, hearing that Caesar showed most wonderful clemency towards his prisoners, he bewailed his fate, and blamed the rashness of his purpose. Then his physician bade him be of good cheer, since what he had drunk was a sleeping-potion and not deadly; whereupon Domitius rose up overjoyed and went to Caesar, the pledge of whose right hand he received, only to desert him and go back to Pompey. When tidings of these things came to Rome, men were made more cheerful, and some of the fugitives turned back." ~ Plutarch, Life of Caesar 34


AUC 538 / 215 BCE: Sulpicia, the Most Chaste Matron

"Meanwhile the two commissioners were appointed for the dedication of temples: T. Otacilius Crassus dedicated the temple to Mens, Q. Fabius Maximus the one to Venus Erycina. Both are on the Capitol, separated only by a water channel." ~ Titus Livius 23.31.9

"Sulpicia, daughter of Ser. Paterculus and wife of Q. Fulvius Flaccus, deserves to be added (among illustrious men). After the Sibylline books had been inspected by the Decemviri, the Senate ordained that an image of Venus Verticordia be consecrated, the more easily to turn the minds of virgins and married women from lust to chastity; and that from all the matrons one hundred and from the one hundred ten chosen by lot should make the judgement, who was the most blameless of the sex. Sulpicia was placed above them all for her purity." ~ Valerius Maximus 8.15.12 (See also Plinius Secunda, Historia Naturalis 7.35 and Ovid, Fasti 4.157-160)

The year and date of this dedication of an image or statue of Venus Verticordia is uncertain. Q. Fulvius Flaccus was consul in 237, 224, 212, and again in 209 BCE. Sulpicia's son (I think), of the same name as his father, served as consul suffectus in 180, and then as consul in 179 BCE. But Sulpicia would seem best thought to have been chosen under a consultation of the Sibylline Oracles that were undertaken in the wake of Rome's defeat at Lake Trasimene in 217 BCE, and that she may have therefore partaken in the ceremonies dedicating the Capitoline Temple of Venus Erycina.

Venus Erycina was the Punic Astarte of Eryx in northwestern Sicily. After the First Punic War it became a popular site among Roman officers. As with the Phoenician Astarte, temple prostitution was practiced at this Sicilian temple, with a special service performed for Romans. A priestess would entertain a Roman general in the guise of Dido, legendary Queen of Carthage, as he got to be her Aeneas for a night. In 215 BCE She became the first foreign Goddess to have a temple built within the pomerium, but it should be noted that Hers was an entirely Roman cultus in Rome, one that excluded any temple prostitution.

"The City has never officially emulated any of these foreign practices, as have many cities in the past. But even though Rome has introduced certain rites on the recommendation of oracles, she celebrates them in accordance with her own traditions, discarding all superstitious mumbo-jumbo." ~ Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Antiquities 2.19.3

The association of chastity in marriage with Venus Erycina goes back to an earlier version of Venus, before the Greek influence of the second century that introduced a voluptuous Aphrodite. Among the Etruscans Venus was seen veiled in the manner of a bride, with Her veil partially pulled across Her face and held between Her teeth. She was the Venus who brought happiness into the home with children. Her other aspect, as Murcia, tended the family garden of herbs and flowers. The cultus for Aeneas entered Rome from Lanuvium during the last quarter of the fourth century, by 304 BCE at the very least when Rome built the heroon of Aeneas at Lanuvium, and thus about 40 years before the outbreak of the First Punic War. Here then another aspect of Venus first enters Rome, as Mother of Aeneas and thus of all Latins. In Virgil's version of the Aeneid, the scene of Aeneas spending a night with Dido is couched in the language of a confarreatio, a patrician form of marriage ceremony that, for the most part, was no longer in use by his time. The marriage was shown in Virgil to result from an agreement between Venus, as mother of Aeneas, and Juno, patron Goddess of Carthage (actually Tanit). Dido becomes the spurned wife, one who immolates herself out of faithfulness for Aeneas. It should also be remembered that in traditional patrician marriages the bride was relatively young compared to her husband and she was often placed under the dominance of her mother-in-law. In these rather complex connections, the cultus of Roman matrons for Venus Verticordia adopted Dido in the sense of being the first worshipper of the cultus for Venus. It would seem that with this cultus, Venus was called upon to make the wives desirable and submissive to their husbands. Ovid connects a special drink with the Capitoline Venus, made of crushed poppies in milk sweetened with honey, not attested elsewhere. "When Venus was first led to Her lusting husband, She drank this; She was a wife thereafter (Fasti 1.151-54)." The cultus of Venus Verticordia on the Capitoline Hill was in stark contrast to the cultus for Viriplaca on the Palantine, and this may have been due to the one having been a patrician cultus, and the other plebeian:

"But whenever some strife arose between husband and wife, they would repair to the chapel of the Goddess Viriplaca, which is on the Palatine Hill. There they would say in turn what they wanted to say and go back in harmony, laying aside their contention. The Goddess is said to have got this name from appeasing husbands. Venerable indeed is She and to be worshipped, I think, with special, choice offerings as the guardian of day-to-day domestic peace, rendering by Her very appellation the honour due from women to the dignity of husbands in the equal yoke of love." ~ Valerius Maximus 2.1.6


Today's thought, on marriage, is from C. Musonius Rufus:

"The husband and wife, he [Musonius] used to say, should come together for the purpose of making a life in common and of procreating children, and furthermore of regarding all things in common between them, and nothing peculiar or private to one or the other, not even their own bodies. The birth of a human being which results from such a union is to be sure something marvelous, but it is not yet enough for the relation of husband and wife, inasmuch as quite apart from marriage it could result from any other sexual union, just as in the case of animals. But in marriage there must be above all perfect companionship and mutual love of husband and wife, both in health and in sickness and under all conditions, since it was with desire for this as well as for having children that both entered upon marriage. Where, then, this love for each other is perfect and the two share it completely, each striving to outdo the other in devotion, the marriage is ideal and worthy of envy, for such a union is beautiful. But where each looks only to his own interests and neglects the other, or, what is worse, when one is so minded and lives in the same house but fixes his attention elsewhere and is not willing to pull together with his yoke-mate nor to agree, then the union is doomed to disaster and though they live together, yet their common interests fare badly; eventually they separate entirely or they remain together and suffer what is worse than loneliness."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73033 From: lynn rogers Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: "---jump to religous conclusions---"
hello Marcus,
im new to the group and wondered what type of model building you do i would like to find some good 54mm Roman minitures to paint.
lynn a cavalry trooper also as aux.cavalry what would be a good name for me?




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From: James Mathews <JLMTopog@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 7:42:00 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] "---jump to religous conclusions---"

 
Master Nero;

Perhaps the reason that members of NR "jump to religious conclusions"
has to do, as I have mentioned previously, because that very topic has
arisen again and again in NR with Senators on this list suggesting
that Christians be removed from Nova Roma. Now I don't know you and
you certainly don't know me, so I will not debate you on this. You
are new back to NR supposedly and may not be aware of what has gone
before.

My brother Senator Quintillianus has assured me that the reason I have
not been returned to the Senate has nothing to do with my belief
structure and that is good enough for me. He is an honorable
gentleman and I believe what he has to say.

So, that leaves only one reason that I have been excluded from the
privilege of returning and that is personal dislike on the part of one
or more individuals. That is unfortunate that such can occur in the
personages that hold political power. Particularly since those who
have made such a decision are too cowardly to admit the reasons. As I
have indicated the Founder was readmitted after he resigned on two
occasions and Cato has been readmitted and is disliked by a number of
Senate members. Since I have been told that I have many friends here
in Nova Roma and the Senate by several people whose judgement I value,
I can only make the above assumption. If I am wrong then it is only
because no explanation has been offered and that is not only unfair
and despicable, but to my mind is cowardly as well.

As I have said and demonstrated on many, many occasions, I respect and
honor the Religio and the Gods to which those believers are involved,
just as I do any individual belief structure that does not attempt to
deprive me of my rights or liberty.

It has been suggested that I am a threat to Nova Roma because some
people see me as someone who would attempt to destroy Nova Roma or as
someone who is a constant "gadfly." Both of these ideas are not only
ridiculous but insulting as well and I offer my past, present, and
future actions as indicators, I was proud to serve as Consul and hold
the Cursus Honorium, I have founded two Sodalitas; and have taken over
two more because the founder left them to my clearing of the "trash"
and restored them to use. , I have been a Governor of my province
twice and have brought back several people from leaving NR in that
position, on of which is now a Senator. I am part of the senior staff
of the Legio III "Cyrenaica" and have served in the past as Editor and
Senior Editor of the "Eagle." The issues that I presided over are
still on-line for anyone to read. When I was relieved without reason
from my appointment as Senior Editor by the then Consul, I have
continued producing the "Roman Times" and "Pilum" publications on my
own, and I have established a "Roman Studies" blog which demonstrates
my hobby of map making and model building. In regard to being a
"Gadfly" I have made several proposals to the Senate over the years,
and when they were voted down, I made no comment and went along with
the vote. I think over the years I have made two proposals to the
Senate to consider and both have been ignored, which I then decided
was enough reason to put those ideas away for this organization.
Obviously, considering the above, I am a very real danger to Nova
Roma!!!!!

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73034 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: "---jump to religous conclusions---"
Senator Audens:

"Particularly since those who have made such a decision are too cowardly to
admit the reasons."

I have not been on-line very much in the past month and a half, and my
reason for such is my business. My colleague and I were discussing the
possibility of appointing you back into the senate, and I had been
attempting to stay in contact with folks via my BlackBerry. However,
instead of contacting me directly you choose to appeal to the realm of
public opinion of which I find very distasteful, and now I see that I am a
coward in your eyes. You can attempt to paint this as a religious issue, of
which it most certainly is not.

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
Censor

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:42 PM, James Mathews <JLMTopog@...> wrote:

>
>
> Master Nero;
>
> Perhaps the reason that members of NR "jump to religious conclusions"
> has to do, as I have mentioned previously, because that very topic has
> arisen again and again in NR with Senators on this list suggesting
> that Christians be removed from Nova Roma. Now I don't know you and
> you certainly don't know me, so I will not debate you on this. You
> are new back to NR supposedly and may not be aware of what has gone
> before.
>
> My brother Senator Quintillianus has assured me that the reason I have
> not been returned to the Senate has nothing to do with my belief
> structure and that is good enough for me. He is an honorable
> gentleman and I believe what he has to say.
>
> So, that leaves only one reason that I have been excluded from the
> privilege of returning and that is personal dislike on the part of one
> or more individuals. That is unfortunate that such can occur in the
> personages that hold political power. Particularly since those who
> have made such a decision are too cowardly to admit the reasons. As I
> have indicated the Founder was readmitted after he resigned on two
> occasions and Cato has been readmitted and is disliked by a number of
> Senate members. Since I have been told that I have many friends here
> in Nova Roma and the Senate by several people whose judgement I value,
> I can only make the above assumption. If I am wrong then it is only
> because no explanation has been offered and that is not only unfair
> and despicable, but to my mind is cowardly as well.
>
> As I have said and demonstrated on many, many occasions, I respect and
> honor the Religio and the Gods to which those believers are involved,
> just as I do any individual belief structure that does not attempt to
> deprive me of my rights or liberty.
>
> It has been suggested that I am a threat to Nova Roma because some
> people see me as someone who would attempt to destroy Nova Roma or as
> someone who is a constant "gadfly." Both of these ideas are not only
> ridiculous but insulting as well and I offer my past, present, and
> future actions as indicators, I was proud to serve as Consul and hold
> the Cursus Honorium, I have founded two Sodalitas; and have taken over
> two more because the founder left them to my clearing of the "trash"
> and restored them to use. , I have been a Governor of my province
> twice and have brought back several people from leaving NR in that
> position, on of which is now a Senator. I am part of the senior staff
> of the Legio III "Cyrenaica" and have served in the past as Editor and
> Senior Editor of the "Eagle." The issues that I presided over are
> still on-line for anyone to read. When I was relieved without reason
> from my appointment as Senior Editor by the then Consul, I have
> continued producing the "Roman Times" and "Pilum" publications on my
> own, and I have established a "Roman Studies" blog which demonstrates
> my hobby of map making and model building. In regard to being a
> "Gadfly" I have made several proposals to the Senate over the years,
> and when they were voted down, I made no comment and went along with
> the vote. I think over the years I have made two proposals to the
> Senate to consider and both have been ignored, which I then decided
> was enough reason to put those ideas away for this organization.
> Obviously, considering the above, I am a very real danger to Nova
> Roma!!!!!
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Audens
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73035 From: C. Cocceius Spinula Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salvete omnes!

I have read the posts, and although I've only
being in Nova Roma for a year. I can still see much anger in most
political posts, like this one (yes, this is a political debate).

1st: I agree with M. Hortensia Maior: "see Nova Romans in harmony".

2nd: Regarding this topic

a) Religious opinion
I
do feel that each one's believes cannot stop them from being Nova
Romans, nor they should be responsible for the existence of class
discrimination, as Sulla said
>> "a second class members in Nova Roma". <<

And this is well stated in the Constitution:
[Quote] "Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of ethnic heritage, gender,
religious affiliation, or sexual orientation."

Religion is a personal aspect of a person, it would/must be respected and not used.

Regarding the Religio Romana (Roman Religion) it is the official religion of the
Republic of Nova Roma,
this is declared by the Constitution of Nova Roma.
[Quote] "As a nation, Nova Roma shall be the temporal homeland and worldly focus for the
Religio Romana."
and
[Quote] "The Religio Romana, the worship of the Gods and Goddesses of Rome, shall be the official religion of Nova Roma."


b) Political view

The public religious application in the Political life of Nova Roma is also very well stated:
Citizen Rights:
[Quote]
"1. Complete authority over their own personal and household rites,
rituals, and beliefs, pagan or otherwise; except where this
Constitution mandates participation in the rites of the Religio Romana, such as the case of magistrates and Senators."

And I add the obvious: Those who bellong to any roman religious institution like the Collegium Pontificum or Collegium Augurum must also be a practitioner of the Roman religion.

But this isn't about religion, as Nero already pointed out:
>> "Let's not play the martyr card, look at all the points and issues." <<

In the: "VI. Public Religious Institutions" Article of the Constitution.
[Quote] "A. The Religio Romana, the worship of the Gods and
Goddesses of Rome, shall be the official religion of Nova Roma. All
magistrates and Senators, as officers of the State, shall be required
to publicly show respect for the Religio Romana and the Gods and
Goddesses that made Rome great. Magistrates, Senators, and citizens
need not be practitioners of the Religio Romana, but may not engage in any activity that intentionally blasphemes or defames the Gods, the Religio Romana, or its practitioners."

And we have:
- Senators Sulla and Cato are "supposedly" called impious.
(Supposedly because I do not see in the ML any accusation from the Collegium Pontificum (CP) directed to the Senators.)

It is a fact, because although it is to be discussed as an item on the CP agenda, that it isn't done yet, so the CP will not necessarily condemn you.

Valete,
C. Cocceius Spinula

Provincia Hispania, Lusitania

Praefectus Regionis Lusitaniae

Senior Scriba Censoris TIS














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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73036 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.

The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our law. In order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a new law defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures surrounding it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis entitled "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it does not support any kind of charge of "impius".

Even the almost-equally-abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which Piscinus and Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly stated they would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP to give warning to the individual(s) involved.

So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which there is no definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed penalty or effect given - and without a word directly to me.

Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his friends despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of throwing us out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy about it instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently present.

There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous than a spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to destroy their fellow humans.

Vale,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73037 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salvete:

I don't remember Sulla protesting when the CP several years ago
declared Maior nefas! I do remember Cato standing against it but of
course he was allied politically different back then. Point being
there IS a precedent in Nova Roma of declaring someone nefas. It has
been done before.

Valete:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus



On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.
>
> The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our law. In
> order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a new law
> defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures surrounding
> it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis entitled
> "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it does not
> support any kind of charge of "impius".
>
> Even the almost-equally-abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which Piscinus and
> Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly stated they
> would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP to give
> warning to the individual(s) involved.
>
> So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which there is no
> definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed penalty or
> effect given - and without a word directly to me.
>
> Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his friends
> despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of throwing us
> out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy about it
> instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently present.
>
> There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous than a
> spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to destroy their
> fellow humans.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>

--
Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73038 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve Modiane amice;
that was a bad day for me, but I resolved to read up and study the cultus deorum and work to change things. It also brought be a long friendship with you. Modianus worked very hard to get that repealed. If the CP is active, if cultores are happy if knowledge is shared it is due to the many years of hard work and devotion of K. Fabius Buteo Modianus. He is a wonderful Nova Roman and the epitome of the virtue of perseverance.
dii te favent
Maior

---
>
> Salvete:
>
> I don't remember Sulla protesting when the CP several years ago
> declared Maior nefas! I do remember Cato standing against it but of
> course he was allied politically different back then. Point being
> there IS a precedent in Nova Roma of declaring someone nefas. It has
> been done before.
>
> Valete:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
>
>
> On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> > Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.
> >
> > The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our law. In
> > order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a new law
> > defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures surrounding
> > it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis entitled
> > "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it does not
> > support any kind of charge of "impius".
> >
> > Even the almost-equally-abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which Piscinus and
> > Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly stated they
> > would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP to give
> > warning to the individual(s) involved.
> >
> > So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which there is no
> > definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed penalty or
> > effect given - and without a word directly to me.
> >
> > Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his friends
> > despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of throwing us
> > out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy about it
> > instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently present.
> >
> > There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous than a
> > spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to destroy their
> > fellow humans.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73039 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Please ignore Sulla and Cato [Was: Interesting development]
Citizens,
 
The truth is that the Collegium Pontificum has been properly convened. We are not meeting in secret nor doing anything "in secret". We are currently discussing a very large agenda. Nothing has been determined or voted upon. When the Collegium Pontificum has voted, the results will be posted here as has always been done.
Please ignore Sulla and Cato's rancid remarks and vitriol.
Please let us proceed with other more worthy discussions.
I thank you all.
 
Valete bene in pace Deorum,
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis
______________________
 


<<--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

Avete Omnes,

It has certainly been a while that I have even looked in the NR mainlist, 4 months at least. But, today is a landmark day! I have been informed that the CP in secret, is trying to decide of Cato and I are impious, which is ironic that neither of us are practitioners. So, what's the motivation other than personal vendetta? As Caesar has said, it is simply because we breathe..

So what are the implications of this? Just how will this affect all Christians (including Modianus and Lentulus), Jews and other monotheists in Nova Roma. All I can say is to be prepared, all you monotheists to become second class members in Nova Roma and be prepared to be called impious yourselves.

Me? I just view this at another attempt by petty members of the CP to use religion and thusly further discredit any attempt to actually strengthen the Religio by focusing on non-issues. Way to go CP. Way. To. Go.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Former Censor
Former Consul
Former Praetor Urbanus
Former Queaestor
Current Lictor and Senator.
 
 
--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
 
Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.

The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our law. In order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a new law defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures surrounding it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis entitled "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it does not support any kind of charge of "impius".

Even the almost-equally- abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which Piscinus and Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly stated they would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP to give warning to the individual(s) involved.

So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which there is no definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed penalty or effect given - and without a word directly to me.

Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his friends despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of throwing us out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy about it instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently present.

There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous than a spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to destroy their fellow humans.

Vale,

Cato>>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73040 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Cato Modiano sal.

Unfortunately the item on the CP agenda is not to declare us "nefas". It is to declare us "impius", a state of being for which we have no definition and no actionable course under Nova Roman law.

vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete:
>
> I don't remember Sulla protesting when the CP several years ago
> declared Maior nefas! I do remember Cato standing against it but of
> course he was allied politically different back then. Point being
> there IS a precedent in Nova Roma of declaring someone nefas. It has
> been done before.
>
> Valete:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
>
>
> On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> > Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.
> >
> > The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our law. In
> > order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a new law
> > defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures surrounding
> > it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis entitled
> > "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it does not
> > support any kind of charge of "impius".
> >
> > Even the almost-equally-abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which Piscinus and
> > Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly stated they
> > would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP to give
> > warning to the individual(s) involved.
> >
> > So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which there is no
> > definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed penalty or
> > effect given - and without a word directly to me.
> >
> > Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his friends
> > despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of throwing us
> > out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy about it
> > instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently present.
> >
> > There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous than a
> > spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to destroy their
> > fellow humans.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73041 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Please ignore Sulla and Cato [Was: Interesting development]
Cato Valeriae Messalinae sal.

I'm sorry, but could you point out the post in which I claimed it was a "secret"? I did not.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
>
> Citizens,
>  
> The truth is that the Collegium Pontificum has been properly convened. We are not meeting in secret nor doing anything "in secret". We are currently discussing a very large agenda. Nothing has been determined or voted upon. When the Collegium Pontificum has voted, the results will be posted here as has always been done.
> Please ignore Sulla and Cato's rancid remarks and vitriol.
> Please let us proceed with other more worthy discussions.
> I thank you all.
>  
> Valete bene in pace Deorum,
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
> ______________________
>  
>
>
> <<--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> Avete Omnes,
>
> It has certainly been a while that I have even looked in the NR mainlist, 4 months at least. But, today is a landmark day! I have been informed that the CP in secret, is trying to decide of Cato and I are impious, which is ironic that neither of us are practitioners. So, what's the motivation other than personal vendetta? As Caesar has said, it is simply because we breathe..
>
> So what are the implications of this? Just how will this affect all Christians (including Modianus and Lentulus), Jews and other monotheists in Nova Roma. All I can say is to be prepared, all you monotheists to become second class members in Nova Roma and be prepared to be called impious yourselves.
>
> Me? I just view this at another attempt by petty members of the CP to use religion and thusly further discredit any attempt to actually strengthen the Religio by focusing on non-issues. Way to go CP. Way. To. Go.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Former Censor
> Former Consul
> Former Praetor Urbanus
> Former Queaestor
> Current Lictor and Senator.
>  
>  
> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>  
> Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.
>
> The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our law. In order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a new law defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures surrounding it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis entitled "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it does not support any kind of charge of "impius".
>
> Even the almost-equally- abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which Piscinus and Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly stated they would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP to give warning to the individual(s) involved.
>
> So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which there is no definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed penalty or effect given - and without a word directly to me.
>
> Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his friends despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of throwing us out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy about it instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently present.
>
> There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous than a spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to destroy their fellow humans.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato>>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73042 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Saturnalia 2009 Revisited
Salvete Omnes,

Well it *only* took one month to gather and post these - I am sure there
are more photos out there but the memories of those attending far
outnumber any images. This celebration, the ritual, the feast, planned
through the Temple of Venus Genetrix, gave the gift of camaraderie and a
sense of belonging to those attendees of like alternate beliefs in a
safe sanctuary. A few of the teenagers confided in me that they no
longer feel like such outcasts - we all hope that the very young ones
will be insulated against this as we strive to make them confident in
their beliefs. As I mentioned to other cultores, I think Mother Venus
would approve of our celebration and the benefits we, her children,
enjoyed from so humble a gathering.

Saturnalia 2009
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/l_j_a/sets/72157623240519184/>

Here is our wonderful Mock King:

Saturnalia's Mock King <http://www.flickr.com/photos/l_j_a/4286947825/>

More written info is riddled throughout the photostream. Enjoy!

Io! Saturnalia!

Valete optime in pace Veneris,

Julia



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73043 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Please ignore Sulla and Cato [Was: Interesting development]
I apologize for that. No, you did not. Sulla did.


--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:


From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Please ignore Sulla and Cato [Was: Interesting development]
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 12:55 PM


 



Cato Valeriae Messalinae sal.

I'm sorry, but could you point out the post in which I claimed it was a "secret"? I did not.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessa llina@... > wrote:
>
>
> Citizens,
>  
> The truth is that the Collegium Pontificum has been properly convened. We are not meeting in secret nor doing anything "in secret". We are currently discussing a very large agenda. Nothing has been determined or voted upon. When the Collegium Pontificum has voted, the results will be posted here as has always been done.
> Please ignore Sulla and Cato's rancid remarks and vitriol.
> Please let us proceed with other more worthy discussions.
> I thank you all.
>  
> Valete bene in pace Deorum,
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
> ____________ _________ _
>  
>
>
> <<--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Robert <l_cornelius_ sulla@... > wrote:
>
> Avete Omnes,
>
> It has certainly been a while that I have even looked in the NR mainlist, 4 months at least. But, today is a landmark day! I have been informed that the CP in secret, is trying to decide of Cato and I are impious, which is ironic that neither of us are practitioners. So, what's the motivation other than personal vendetta? As Caesar has said, it is simply because we breathe..
>
> So what are the implications of this? Just how will this affect all Christians (including Modianus and Lentulus), Jews and other monotheists in Nova Roma. All I can say is to be prepared, all you monotheists to become second class members in Nova Roma and be prepared to be called impious yourselves.
>
> Me? I just view this at another attempt by petty members of the CP to use religion and thusly further discredit any attempt to actually strengthen the Religio by focusing on non-issues. Way to go CP. Way. To. Go.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Former Censor
> Former Consul
> Former Praetor Urbanus
> Former Queaestor
> Current Lictor and Senator.
>  
>  
> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@. ..> wrote:
>  
> Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.
>
> The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our law. In order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a new law defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures surrounding it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis entitled "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it does not support any kind of charge of "impius".
>
> Even the almost-equally- abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which Piscinus and Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly stated they would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP to give warning to the individual(s) involved.
>
> So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which there is no definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed penalty or effect given - and without a word directly to me.
>
> Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his friends despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of throwing us out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy about it instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently present.
>
> There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous than a spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to destroy their fellow humans.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato>>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73044 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Then we can change it from impius to nefas. That precedent has
certainly been established.

Vale:

Modianus



On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> Cato Modiano sal.
>
> Unfortunately the item on the CP agenda is not to declare us "nefas". It is
> to declare us "impius", a state of being for which we have no definition and
> no actionable course under Nova Roman law.
>
> vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>>
>> Salvete:
>>
>> I don't remember Sulla protesting when the CP several years ago
>> declared Maior nefas! I do remember Cato standing against it but of
>> course he was allied politically different back then. Point being
>> there IS a precedent in Nova Roma of declaring someone nefas. It has
>> been done before.
>>
>> Valete:
>>
>> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>> > Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.
>> >
>> > The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our law. In
>> > order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a new law
>> > defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures
>> > surrounding
>> > it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis entitled
>> > "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it does
>> > not
>> > support any kind of charge of "impius".
>> >
>> > Even the almost-equally-abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which Piscinus
>> > and
>> > Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly stated
>> > they
>> > would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP to
>> > give
>> > warning to the individual(s) involved.
>> >
>> > So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which there is
>> > no
>> > definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed
>> > penalty or
>> > effect given - and without a word directly to me.
>> >
>> > Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his friends
>> > despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of throwing
>> > us
>> > out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy about it
>> > instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently
>> > present.
>> >
>> > There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous than a
>> > spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to destroy
>> > their
>> > fellow humans.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> >
>> > Cato
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>>
>
>
>

--
Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73045 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:46 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> Then we can change it from impius to nefas. That precedent has
> certainly been established.
>
> Vale:
>
> Modianus
>
>
> On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@... <catoinnyc%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Cato Modiano sal.
> >
> > Unfortunately the item on the CP agenda is not to declare us "nefas". It
> is
> > to declare us "impius", a state of being for which we have no definition
> and
> > no actionable course under Nova Roman law.
> >
> > vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, David
> Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Salvete:
> >>
> >> I don't remember Sulla protesting when the CP several years ago
> >> declared Maior nefas! I do remember Cato standing against it but of
> >> course he was allied politically different back then. Point being
> >> there IS a precedent in Nova Roma of declaring someone nefas. It has
> >> been done before.
> >>
> >> Valete:
> >>
> >> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> >> > Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our law.
> In
> >> > order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a new
> law
> >> > defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures
> >> > surrounding
> >> > it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis
> entitled
> >> > "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it
> does
> >> > not
> >> > support any kind of charge of "impius".
> >> >
> >> > Even the almost-equally-abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which Piscinus
> >> > and
> >> > Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly stated
> >> > they
> >> > would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP to
> >> > give
> >> > warning to the individual(s) involved.
> >> >
> >> > So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which there is
> >> > no
> >> > definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed
> >> > penalty or
> >> > effect given - and without a word directly to me.
> >> >
> >> > Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his
> friends
> >> > despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of
> throwing
> >> > us
> >> > out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy about
> it
> >> > instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently
> >> > present.
> >> >
> >> > There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous than
> a
> >> > spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to destroy
> >> > their
> >> > fellow humans.
> >> >
> >> > Vale,
> >> >
> >> > Cato
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73046 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve,

First off my apologies for sending a blank e-mail, that was not supposed to
happen. Moving along, Modianus on what grounds? Do you actually have a
"legitimate" reason? Or is it now that you're in the position to get play
the Bully?

Vale,
Aeternia

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...>wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:46 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Then we can change it from impius to nefas. That precedent has
>> certainly been established.
>>
>> Vale:
>>
>> Modianus
>>
>>
>> On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@... <catoinnyc%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > Cato Modiano sal.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately the item on the CP agenda is not to declare us "nefas". It
>> is
>> > to declare us "impius", a state of being for which we have no definition
>> and
>> > no actionable course under Nova Roman law.
>> >
>> > vale,
>> >
>> > Cato
>> >
>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, David
>> Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Salvete:
>> >>
>> >> I don't remember Sulla protesting when the CP several years ago
>> >> declared Maior nefas! I do remember Cato standing against it but of
>> >> course he was allied politically different back then. Point being
>> >> there IS a precedent in Nova Roma of declaring someone nefas. It has
>> >> been done before.
>> >>
>> >> Valete:
>> >>
>> >> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>> >> > Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our law.
>> In
>> >> > order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a new
>> law
>> >> > defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures
>> >> > surrounding
>> >> > it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis
>> entitled
>> >> > "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it
>> does
>> >> > not
>> >> > support any kind of charge of "impius".
>> >> >
>> >> > Even the almost-equally-abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which Piscinus
>> >> > and
>> >> > Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly stated
>> >> > they
>> >> > would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP to
>> >> > give
>> >> > warning to the individual(s) involved.
>> >> >
>> >> > So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which there
>> is
>> >> > no
>> >> > definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed
>> >> > penalty or
>> >> > effect given - and without a word directly to me.
>> >> >
>> >> > Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his
>> friends
>> >> > despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of
>> throwing
>> >> > us
>> >> > out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy about
>> it
>> >> > instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently
>> >> > present.
>> >> >
>> >> > There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous than
>> a
>> >> > spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to destroy
>> >> > their
>> >> > fellow humans.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vale,
>> >> >
>> >> > Cato
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73047 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: "---jump to religous conclusions---"
Senator Modianus;

Esteemed Sir;

The reason that I did not contact you directly was simply because you
have told me in the past that you would no longer receive my messages
and that you would not speak to me again. It is unfortunate that you
did not include those facts in your recent message to me before the
"realm of public opinion," as explanation. In my world, deliberate
failure of one person to explain reasons for an unpleasant action to
another, particularly in the case of a sitting magistrate whose power
has restricted such a restoration, is seen as cowardice. Perhaps such
is different in your world. In place, therefore of contacting you
personally, I have attempted to contact Senators close to you to find
out the reason that you have delayed (read refused) to restore me to
the Senate. Unfortunately, I received no response to those E-Mails
either. So, with the lack of an explanation (I cannot read your
intentions or your mind over the internet) I have made an assumption.
If that assumption was / is wrong, as I have previously said, I am
willing to listen to any reasonable alternative idea., as I always have.

However, your immediate response, in spite of your former assurances,
indicate that perhaps my assumption was not after totally wrong.
However, I am still willing to listen to your explanation. a
willingness that I have not found in your past dealings with me.

As I have said in my former message which you have thoughtfully
included here, (perhaps you did not read it), I have been assured by
my brother, Senator Quintillianus, that the reasoning behind your
refusal to restore me was not Religious in nature, so your second
assurance is not necessary. However, that assurance still leaves open
the question, that with my past record of NR service and explanation
for my foolish depression-based resignation, just why I was not
restored, outside of my assumption.

Now that you have broken your silence to me, and supposedly will deign
to receive my E-Mail messages, perhaps we can take this subject off-
line and deal with it as two serious adults interested in the welfare
of our constituents and Nova Roma as a whole.

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens

========================
On Jan 19, 2010, at 8:29 AM, David Kling wrote:

> Senator Audens:
>
> "Particularly since those who have made such a decision are too
> cowardly to
> admit the reasons."
>
> I have not been on-line very much in the past month and a half, and my
> reason for such is my business. My colleague and I were discussing the
> possibility of appointing you back into the senate, and I had been
> attempting to stay in contact with folks via my BlackBerry. However,
> instead of contacting me directly you choose to appeal to the realm of
> public opinion of which I find very distasteful, and now I see that
> I am a
> coward in your eyes. You can attempt to paint this as a religious
> issue, of
> which it most certainly is not.
>
> Vale:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> Censor
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:42 PM, James Mathews
> <JLMTopog@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Master Nero;
> >
> > Perhaps the reason that members of NR "jump to religious
> conclusions"
> > has to do, as I have mentioned previously, because that very topic
> has
> > arisen again and again in NR with Senators on this list suggesting
> > that Christians be removed from Nova Roma. Now I don't know you and
> > you certainly don't know me, so I will not debate you on this. You
> > are new back to NR supposedly and may not be aware of what has gone
> > before.
> >
> > My brother Senator Quintillianus has assured me that the reason I
> have
> > not been returned to the Senate has nothing to do with my belief
> > structure and that is good enough for me. He is an honorable
> > gentleman and I believe what he has to say.
> >
> > So, that leaves only one reason that I have been excluded from the
> > privilege of returning and that is personal dislike on the part of
> one
> > or more individuals. That is unfortunate that such can occur in the
> > personages that hold political power. Particularly since those who
> > have made such a decision are too cowardly to admit the reasons.
> As I
> > have indicated the Founder was readmitted after he resigned on two
> > occasions and Cato has been readmitted and is disliked by a number
> of
> > Senate members. Since I have been told that I have many friends here
> > in Nova Roma and the Senate by several people whose judgement I
> value,
> > I can only make the above assumption. If I am wrong then it is only
> > because no explanation has been offered and that is not only unfair
> > and despicable, but to my mind is cowardly as well.
> >
> > As I have said and demonstrated on many, many occasions, I respect
> and
> > honor the Religio and the Gods to which those believers are
> involved,
> > just as I do any individual belief structure that does not attempt
> to
> > deprive me of my rights or liberty.
> >
> > It has been suggested that I am a threat to Nova Roma because some
> > people see me as someone who would attempt to destroy Nova Roma or
> as
> > someone who is a constant "gadfly." Both of these ideas are not only
> > ridiculous but insulting as well and I offer my past, present, and
> > future actions as indicators, I was proud to serve as Consul and
> hold
> > the Cursus Honorium, I have founded two Sodalitas; and have taken
> over
> > two more because the founder left them to my clearing of the "trash"
> > and restored them to use. , I have been a Governor of my province
> > twice and have brought back several people from leaving NR in that
> > position, on of which is now a Senator. I am part of the senior
> staff
> > of the Legio III "Cyrenaica" and have served in the past as Editor
> and
> > Senior Editor of the "Eagle." The issues that I presided over are
> > still on-line for anyone to read. When I was relieved without reason
> > from my appointment as Senior Editor by the then Consul, I have
> > continued producing the "Roman Times" and "Pilum" publications on my
> > own, and I have established a "Roman Studies" blog which
> demonstrates
> > my hobby of map making and model building. In regard to being a
> > "Gadfly" I have made several proposals to the Senate over the years,
> > and when they were voted down, I made no comment and went along with
> > the vote. I think over the years I have made two proposals to the
> > Senate to consider and both have been ignored, which I then decided
> > was enough reason to put those ideas away for this organization.
> > Obviously, considering the above, I am a very real danger to Nova
> > Roma!!!!!
> >
> > Respectfully;
> >
> > Marcus Audens
> >
>
>
>
>
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73048 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: "---jump to religous conclusions---"
Lynn Rogers;

In answer to your question on modeling, over the years I have been
building kit models, mostly of ships. In the last few years I have
begun doing "scratch" models; models designed by myself from a
picture. These kinds of models are much more satisfactory to me, and
extend greatly the range of what I can do.

I have never taken up human figure painting seriously, as the effects
of constructing a bridge, or diorama without such is not distracted by
human figures. The basis of my hobby is to show the engineering
aspect of the model, not the human side of it. I am a re-enactor and
my character in all periods that I portray is that of an engineer.
Yes, I know that re-enactors are not welcome in NR, however it does
allow me to pursue a particular interest of mine as to how the Roman
world was able to construct such grand architecture without modern
machines.

My Roman models, so far, are of bridges, cranes, roadways, villas,
etc.; and you can visit them as you wish on the following blog:

http://RomanStudies.blogspot.com

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73049 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve:

It is and will be discussed in the CP and not on the main list.

Vale:

Modianus



On 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> First off my apologies for sending a blank e-mail, that was not supposed to
> happen. Moving along, Modianus on what grounds? Do you actually have a
> "legitimate" reason? Or is it now that you're in the position to get play
> the Bully?
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Jennifer Harris
> <cyannerose@...>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:46 PM, David Kling
>> <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then we can change it from impius to nefas. That precedent has
>>> certainly been established.
>>>
>>> Vale:
>>>
>>> Modianus
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@... <catoinnyc%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > Cato Modiano sal.
>>> >
>>> > Unfortunately the item on the CP agenda is not to declare us "nefas".
>>> > It
>>> is
>>> > to declare us "impius", a state of being for which we have no
>>> > definition
>>> and
>>> > no actionable course under Nova Roman law.
>>> >
>>> > vale,
>>> >
>>> > Cato
>>> >
>>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, David
>>> Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Salvete:
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't remember Sulla protesting when the CP several years ago
>>> >> declared Maior nefas! I do remember Cato standing against it but of
>>> >> course he was allied politically different back then. Point being
>>> >> there IS a precedent in Nova Roma of declaring someone nefas. It has
>>> >> been done before.
>>> >>
>>> >> Valete:
>>> >>
>>> >> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>>> >> > Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our law.
>>> In
>>> >> > order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a new
>>> law
>>> >> > defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures
>>> >> > surrounding
>>> >> > it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis
>>> entitled
>>> >> > "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it
>>> does
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > support any kind of charge of "impius".
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Even the almost-equally-abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which
>>> >> > Piscinus
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly stated
>>> >> > they
>>> >> > would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > give
>>> >> > warning to the individual(s) involved.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which there
>>> is
>>> >> > no
>>> >> > definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed
>>> >> > penalty or
>>> >> > effect given - and without a word directly to me.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his
>>> friends
>>> >> > despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of
>>> throwing
>>> >> > us
>>> >> > out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy
>>> >> > about
>>> it
>>> >> > instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently
>>> >> > present.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous
>>> >> > than
>>> a
>>> >> > spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to destroy
>>> >> > their
>>> >> > fellow humans.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Vale,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Cato
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73050 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve Iterum,

Complete dodge there wouldn't you say Modianus? I think since Sulla has
posted exposing this dastardly plot ... It's now a "Public" issue and no
longer a "Private" matter, why continue the ruse?

Vale,
Aeternia

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:56 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> Salve:
>
> It is and will be discussed in the CP and not on the main list.
>
> Vale:
>
> Modianus
>
>
> On 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@... <cyannerose%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > First off my apologies for sending a blank e-mail, that was not supposed
> to
> > happen. Moving along, Modianus on what grounds? Do you actually have a
> > "legitimate" reason? Or is it now that you're in the position to get play
> > the Bully?
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Jennifer Harris
> > <cyannerose@... <cyannerose%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:46 PM, David Kling
> >> <tau.athanasios@... <tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Then we can change it from impius to nefas. That precedent has
> >>> certainly been established.
> >>>
> >>> Vale:
> >>>
> >>> Modianus
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@... <catoinnyc%40gmail.com><catoinnyc%
> 40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> > Cato Modiano sal.
> >>> >
> >>> > Unfortunately the item on the CP agenda is not to declare us "nefas".
> >>> > It
> >>> is
> >>> > to declare us "impius", a state of being for which we have no
> >>> > definition
> >>> and
> >>> > no actionable course under Nova Roman law.
> >>> >
> >>> > vale,
> >>> >
> >>> > Cato
> >>> >
> >>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, David
>
> >>> Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Salvete:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I don't remember Sulla protesting when the CP several years ago
> >>> >> declared Maior nefas! I do remember Cato standing against it but of
> >>> >> course he was allied politically different back then. Point being
> >>> >> there IS a precedent in Nova Roma of declaring someone nefas. It has
> >>> >> been done before.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Valete:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> >>> >> > Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our
> law.
> >>> In
> >>> >> > order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a
> new
> >>> law
> >>> >> > defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures
> >>> >> > surrounding
> >>> >> > it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis
> >>> entitled
> >>> >> > "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it
> >>> does
> >>> >> > not
> >>> >> > support any kind of charge of "impius".
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Even the almost-equally-abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which
> >>> >> > Piscinus
> >>> >> > and
> >>> >> > Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly
> stated
> >>> >> > they
> >>> >> > would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP
> >>> >> > to
> >>> >> > give
> >>> >> > warning to the individual(s) involved.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which
> there
> >>> is
> >>> >> > no
> >>> >> > definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed
> >>> >> > penalty or
> >>> >> > effect given - and without a word directly to me.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his
> >>> friends
> >>> >> > despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of
> >>> throwing
> >>> >> > us
> >>> >> > out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy
> >>> >> > about
> >>> it
> >>> >> > instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently
> >>> >> > present.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous
> >>> >> > than
> >>> a
> >>> >> > spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to
> destroy
> >>> >> > their
> >>> >> > fellow humans.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Vale,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Cato
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73051 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve, Aeternia
 
It is regrettable that a part of what is being discussed in the Collegium Pontificum should have been posted to the ML. It is neither a "public" or "private" issue. It is but one small part of a large agenda presented for discussion, and to be thoroughly examined, by the Collegium Pontificum and not on the ML. I assure you there is no "dastardly plot". I would not allow such a thing nor would anyone else in the Collegium. The results of our discussions and voting will be posted to the ML some time next week when we have finished. I thank you for your patience and understanding.
 
Vale bene in pace Deorum,
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis 


<<--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
 
Salve Iterum,

Complete dodge there wouldn't you say Modianus? I think since Sulla has
posted exposing this dastardly plot ... It's now a "Public" issue and no
longer a "Private" matter, why continue the ruse?

Vale,
Aeternia>>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73052 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Please ignore Sulla and Cato [Was: Interesting development]
Cato Valeriae Messalinae sal.

Thank you.

That cleared up, you may continue denouncing me if you like.

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
> I apologize for that. No, you did not. Sulla did.
>
>
> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Please ignore Sulla and Cato [Was: Interesting development]
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 12:55 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Cato Valeriae Messalinae sal.
>
> I'm sorry, but could you point out the post in which I claimed it was a "secret"? I did not.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessa llina@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Citizens,
> >  
> > The truth is that the Collegium Pontificum has been properly convened. We are not meeting in secret nor doing anything "in secret". We are currently discussing a very large agenda. Nothing has been determined or voted upon. When the Collegium Pontificum has voted, the results will be posted here as has always been done.
> > Please ignore Sulla and Cato's rancid remarks and vitriol.
> > Please let us proceed with other more worthy discussions.
> > I thank you all.
> >  
> > Valete bene in pace Deorum,
> >  
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > ____________ _________ _
> >  
> >
> >
> > <<--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Robert <l_cornelius_ sulla@ > wrote:
> >
> > Avete Omnes,
> >
> > It has certainly been a while that I have even looked in the NR mainlist, 4 months at least. But, today is a landmark day! I have been informed that the CP in secret, is trying to decide of Cato and I are impious, which is ironic that neither of us are practitioners. So, what's the motivation other than personal vendetta? As Caesar has said, it is simply because we breathe..
> >
> > So what are the implications of this? Just how will this affect all Christians (including Modianus and Lentulus), Jews and other monotheists in Nova Roma. All I can say is to be prepared, all you monotheists to become second class members in Nova Roma and be prepared to be called impious yourselves.
> >
> > Me? I just view this at another attempt by petty members of the CP to use religion and thusly further discredit any attempt to actually strengthen the Religio by focusing on non-issues. Way to go CP. Way. To. Go.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > Former Censor
> > Former Consul
> > Former Praetor Urbanus
> > Former Queaestor
> > Current Lictor and Senator.
> >  
> >  
> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@ ..> wrote:
> >  
> > Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.
> >
> > The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our law. In order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a new law defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures surrounding it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis entitled "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it does not support any kind of charge of "impius".
> >
> > Even the almost-equally- abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which Piscinus and Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly stated they would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP to give warning to the individual(s) involved.
> >
> > So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which there is no definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed penalty or effect given - and without a word directly to me.
> >
> > Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his friends despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of throwing us out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy about it instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently present.
> >
> > There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous than a spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to destroy their fellow humans.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73053 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Cato Modiano sal.

And where in Nova Roman law do you find the definition of "nefas" and any attendant penalties? Just because a citizen (Maior) has been declared nefas in the past doesn't mean you can do it again if it's not legal to do so.

So I ask that you explain what is written in the Constitution, what law has been passed in comitia, what decretum issued by the College of Pontiffs, that defines and delineates the status of "nefas". Remember that if it exists, it cannot overrule the rights guaranteed under the Constitution.

Interestingly, it is Maior herself who once wrote:

"In this light I appeal to the Collegioum Pontificiums to revoke
terming me "nefas" wicked, sinful. I believe in Roma Antiqua only someone who had interrupted a sacrifice would be worthy of such a terrible punishmen[t]."

and later

"...the CP illegally voted me 'nefas'. I had no trial, no opportunity to speak for myself."

Let's see what she says about it all now.

Vale,

Cato





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Then we can change it from impius to nefas. That precedent has
> certainly been established.
>
> Vale:
>
> Modianus
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73054 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-19
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salvete;
I received an email from a member of the Religio Romana list who felt she would be thrown out of Nova Roma after legal threats by Cato, [see his post below]. it's complaints that drew the PM to bring the issue up.

The CP has so many wonderful things real things to do: issue a basic wedding service, train new priests and priestesses, train augurs. Research, helping cultores.
vale
Maior

"Cato Agrippae sal.

Are you positive that you want to go on record - in an official List run by the
Respublica - with these kinds of statements?

I suggest you look at the lex Salicia poenalis very, very carefully, especially
the clause regarding contumelia pietate. Maior is - for now - protected by
virtue of her magistracy...."





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
> Salve, Aeternia
>  
> It is regrettable that a part of what is being discussed in the Collegium Pontificum should have been posted to the ML. It is neither a "public" or "private" issue. It is but one small part of a large agenda presented for discussion, and to be thoroughly examined, by the Collegium Pontificum and not on the ML. I assure you there is no "dastardly plot". I would not allow such a thing nor would anyone else in the Collegium. The results of our discussions and voting will be posted to the ML some time next week when we have finished. I thank you for your patience and understanding.
>  
> Vale bene in pace Deorum,
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis 
>
>
> <<--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
>  
> Salve Iterum,
>
> Complete dodge there wouldn't you say Modianus? I think since Sulla has
> posted exposing this dastardly plot ... It's now a "Public" issue and no
> longer a "Private" matter, why continue the ruse?
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia>>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73055 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: de interpellantium litigiosorum quiritium moribus
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis, praesertim M. Minucio
Audenti Neronique, S.P.D.

His diebus, sicut saepius, hoc et in aliis foro vidimus aliquos cives
interpellantes et disputantes de rebus eis omnino partimve ignotis. Suá
sententiá, si in Senatu qui quondam senatores erant nunc non sunt, est dolo
malo religionis causá; si qui foedissima probra de virgine Vestali jaciebant
impietatis arguuntur, iterum dolo malo religionis rei publicae factionis
causá est. Non ita est. Qui se malé, immo pessimé, gerunt poenas dare
exspectare debent, et censu nondum acto, in Senatum aliquem legere nondum
possumus.

Lately, as all too often, we have seen certain citizens in this and
other fora discussing and quarreling about matters wholly or partly unknown
to them. In their opinion, if those who were once senatores are not
senators now, it is with malice aforethought on account of religion; if
those who hurled the most repugnant insults about our Vestal are criticized
for impiety, it is again malicious and because of religion or politics.
This is not true. Those who behave badly, indeed most unacceptably, should
expect to pay the price. As for the other matter, since the census has not
yet been performed, and we cannot yet adlect anyone to the Senate.

I shall add to other comments here that there is no obvious evil intent
in the temporary exclusion of M. Minucius Audens from the Senate any more
than in the delays in accepting new citizenship applications due to the
server transfer, and that there does not appear to be any political
motivation for any charges against the parties who seem to think that they
are on some sort of hit list. When one violates the norms of society, one
should expect that normal people will find fault with this; when one makes
gross and disgusting sexual comments about a priestess sworn to chastity,
one should expect that others will find this less than amusing. It is not
appropriate to insult the clergy of another¹s faith, and that, too, for no
good reason; no one should expect that the practitioners of the faith
concerned might fail to contemplate sanctions. Surely they are
well-deserved in this case. Moreover, when one makes a habit of
transferring posts from assorted private lists to another for the purpose of
entertaining the members thereof (or encouraging others to do this), and
that, too, while forbidding anyone from doing the same from the list in
question, one is on tenuous moral ground even without the appalling comments
directed at others, including members of the Religio Romana clergy. Nero,
those who know what was said know how vile this was; Senatori Audens, while
your temporary exile from the curia rankles you, I seriously doubt that it
stems from animosity toward you or your faith, though too many here have a
penchant for insulting the latter, if not the former.

Valete.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73056 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Cato Modiano sal.

I just realized something. You've proven here that you really don't care what you charge me with - your intent is simply to charge me with *something*. How blatant can you be?

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Then we can change it from impius to nefas. That precedent has
> certainly been established.
>
> Vale:
>
> Modianus
>
>
>
> On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> > Cato Modiano sal.
> >
> > Unfortunately the item on the CP agenda is not to declare us "nefas". It is
> > to declare us "impius", a state of being for which we have no definition and
> > no actionable course under Nova Roman law.
> >
> > vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Salvete:
> >>
> >> I don't remember Sulla protesting when the CP several years ago
> >> declared Maior nefas! I do remember Cato standing against it but of
> >> course he was allied politically different back then. Point being
> >> there IS a precedent in Nova Roma of declaring someone nefas. It has
> >> been done before.
> >>
> >> Valete:
> >>
> >> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/19/10, Cato <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >> > Cato Cocceio Spinulae sal.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is that there is no such offense as "impius" in our law. In
> >> > order to declare someone "impius", the CP would have to create a new law
> >> > defining what "impius" means and the penalties and strictures
> >> > surrounding
> >> > it. There *is* a section in the abhorrent lex Salicia poenalis entitled
> >> > "contumelia pietate" but that describes offenses against piety, it does
> >> > not
> >> > support any kind of charge of "impius".
> >> >
> >> > Even the almost-equally-abhorrent Blasphemy Decretum - which Piscinus
> >> > and
> >> > Maior have repeatedly denounced as un-Roman and have publicly stated
> >> > they
> >> > would never invoke against a Nova Roman citizen - instructs the CP to
> >> > give
> >> > warning to the individual(s) involved.
> >> >
> >> > So we have the CP considering labeling me something for which there is
> >> > no
> >> > definition in our law - and thus for which there is no prescribed
> >> > penalty or
> >> > effect given - and without a word directly to me.
> >> >
> >> > Spinula, it really boils down to the fact that Piscinus and his friends
> >> > despise both Sulla and I and are trying to figure out a way of throwing
> >> > us
> >> > out of Nova Roma that will have some tiny glimmer of legitimacy about it
> >> > instead of the rank odor of personal animosity which is currently
> >> > present.
> >> >
> >> > There is almost nothing in the history of mankind more dangerous than a
> >> > spiteful person cloaking themselves in religious "virtue" to destroy
> >> > their
> >> > fellow humans.
> >> >
> >> > Vale,
> >> >
> >> > Cato
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73057 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Cato Maiori sal.

Shouldn't you be more concerned with seeing that the law is upheld? Agrippa made statements - as you yourself have done repeatedly on every List of which you and I have been a part - that quite clearly create an extremely hostile environment for Christians. This is a violation of the law.

Is fishing around for some kind of charge to lay against citizens of the Respublica one of the CP's "wonderful things to do"?

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete;
> I received an email from a member of the Religio Romana list who felt she would be thrown out of Nova Roma after legal threats by Cato, [see his post below]. it's complaints that drew the PM to bring the issue up.
>
> The CP has so many wonderful things real things to do: issue a basic wedding service, train new priests and priestesses, train augurs. Research, helping cultores.
> vale
> Maior
>
> "Cato Agrippae sal.
>
> Are you positive that you want to go on record - in an official List run by the
> Respublica - with these kinds of statements?
>
> I suggest you look at the lex Salicia poenalis very, very carefully, especially
> the clause regarding contumelia pietate. Maior is - for now - protected by
> virtue of her magistracy...."
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve, Aeternia
> >  
> > It is regrettable that a part of what is being discussed in the Collegium Pontificum should have been posted to the ML. It is neither a "public" or "private" issue. It is but one small part of a large agenda presented for discussion, and to be thoroughly examined, by the Collegium Pontificum and not on the ML. I assure you there is no "dastardly plot". I would not allow such a thing nor would anyone else in the Collegium. The results of our discussions and voting will be posted to the ML some time next week when we have finished. I thank you for your patience and understanding.
> >  
> > Vale bene in pace Deorum,
> >  
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis 
> >
> >
> > <<--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@> wrote:
> >  
> > Salve Iterum,
> >
> > Complete dodge there wouldn't you say Modianus? I think since Sulla has
> > posted exposing this dastardly plot ... It's now a "Public" issue and no
> > longer a "Private" matter, why continue the ruse?
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73058 From: Riku Demyx Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve,
Technicaly speaking even if it was true, which I doubt. If they were making a hostile environment for christians that in and of itself isn't against the law, as long as you're still allowed your citizenship they seem to me at east to be within the functions of the constitution. But like I said I doubt they're making life difficult.
Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
Nero




________________________________
From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 10:17:16 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Interesting development


Cato Maiori sal.

Shouldn't you be more concerned with seeing that the law is upheld? Agrippa made statements - as you yourself have done repeatedly on every List of which you and I have been a part - that quite clearly create an extremely hostile environment for Christians. This is a violation of the law.

Is fishing around for some kind of charge to lay against citizens of the Respublica one of the CP's "wonderful things to do"?

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@. ..> wrote:
>
> Salvete;
> I received an email from a member of the Religio Romana list who felt she would be thrown out of Nova Roma after legal threats by Cato, [see his post below]. it's complaints that drew the PM to bring the issue up.
>
> The CP has so many wonderful things real things to do: issue a basic wedding service, train new priests and priestesses, train augurs. Research, helping cultores.
> vale
> Maior
>
> "Cato Agrippae sal.
>
> Are you positive that you want to go on record - in an official List run by the
> Respublica - with these kinds of statements?
>
> I suggest you look at the lex Salicia poenalis very, very carefully, especially
> the clause regarding contumelia pietate. Maior is - for now - protected by
> virtue of her magistracy.. .."
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessa llina@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve, Aeternia
> >
> > It is regrettable that a part of what is being discussed in the Collegium Pontificum should have been posted to the ML. It is neither a "public" or "private" issue. It is but one small part of a large agenda presented for discussion, and to be thoroughly examined, by the Collegium Pontificum and not on the ML. I assure you there is no "dastardly plot". I would not allow such a thing nor would anyone else in the Collegium. The results of our discussions and voting will be posted to the ML some time next week when we have finished. I thank you for your patience and understanding.
> >
> > Vale bene in pace Deorum,
> >
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis
> >
> >
> > <<--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@ > wrote:
> >
> > Salve Iterum,
> >
> > Complete dodge there wouldn't you say Modianus? I think since Sulla has
> > posted exposing this dastardly plot ... It's now a "Public" issue and no
> > longer a "Private" matter, why continue the ruse?
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73059 From: Riku Demyx Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: de interpellantium litigiosorum quiritium moribus
Salve,
Excuse me but how did MY name come up in this? Or is there another Nero I'm unaware of?
DVIC
Nero




________________________________
From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 10:10:36 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] de interpellantium litigiosorum quiritium moribus


A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis, praesertim M. Minucio
Audenti Neronique, S.P.D.

His diebus, sicut saepius, hoc et in aliis foro vidimus aliquos cives
interpellantes et disputantes de rebus eis omnino partimve ignotis. Suá
sententiá, si in Senatu qui quondam senatores erant nunc non sunt, est dolo
malo religionis causá; si qui foedissima probra de virgine Vestali jaciebant
impietatis arguuntur, iterum dolo malo religionis rei publicae factionis
causá est. Non ita est. Qui se malé, immo pessimé, gerunt poenas dare
exspectare debent, et censu nondum acto, in Senatum aliquem legere nondum
possumus.

Lately, as all too often, we have seen certain citizens in this and
other fora discussing and quarreling about matters wholly or partly unknown
to them. In their opinion, if those who were once senatores are not
senators now, it is with malice aforethought on account of religion; if
those who hurled the most repugnant insults about our Vestal are criticized
for impiety, it is again malicious and because of religion or politics.
This is not true. Those who behave badly, indeed most unacceptably, should
expect to pay the price. As for the other matter, since the census has not
yet been performed, and we cannot yet adlect anyone to the Senate.

I shall add to other comments here that there is no obvious evil intent
in the temporary exclusion of M. Minucius Audens from the Senate any more
than in the delays in accepting new citizenship applications due to the
server transfer, and that there does not appear to be any political
motivation for any charges against the parties who seem to think that they
are on some sort of hit list. When one violates the norms of society, one
should expect that normal people will find fault with this; when one makes
gross and disgusting sexual comments about a priestess sworn to chastity,
one should expect that others will find this less than amusing. It is not
appropriate to insult the clergy of another¹s faith, and that, too, for no
good reason; no one should expect that the practitioners of the faith
concerned might fail to contemplate sanctions. Surely they are
well-deserved in this case. Moreover, when one makes a habit of
transferring posts from assorted private lists to another for the purpose of
entertaining the members thereof (or encouraging others to do this), and
that, too, while forbidding anyone from doing the same from the list in
question, one is on tenuous moral ground even without the appalling comments
directed at others, including members of the Religio Romana clergy. Nero,
those who know what was said know how vile this was; Senatori Audens, while
your temporary exile from the curia rankles you, I seriously doubt that it
stems from animosity toward you or your faith, though too many here have a
penchant for insulting the latter, if not the former.

Valete.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73060 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: de interpellantium litigiosorum quiritium moribus
Maior Scholasticae spd;
what a pleasure to read in Latin & so witty too;-)
I am not wasting my time on the biggest time-waster in Nova Roma -Cato.
There are lots of positive good things to do like learn Latin!
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis, praesertim M. Minucio
> Audenti Neronique, S.P.D.
>
> His diebus, sicut saepius, hoc et in aliis foro vidimus aliquos cives
> interpellantes et disputantes de rebus eis omnino partimve ignotis. Suá
> sententiá, si in Senatu qui quondam senatores erant nunc non sunt, est dolo
> malo religionis causá; si qui foedissima probra de virgine Vestali jaciebant
> impietatis arguuntur, iterum dolo malo religionis rei publicae factionis
> causá est. Non ita est. Qui se malé, immo pessimé, gerunt poenas dare
> exspectare debent, et censu nondum acto, in Senatum aliquem legere nondum
> possumus.
>
> Lately, as all too often, we have seen certain citizens in this and
> other fora discussing and quarreling about matters wholly or partly unknown
> to them. In their opinion, if those who were once senatores are not
> senators now, it is with malice aforethought on account of religion; if
> those who hurled the most repugnant insults about our Vestal are criticized
> for impiety, it is again malicious and because of religion or politics.
> This is not true. Those who behave badly, indeed most unacceptably, should
> expect to pay the price. As for the other matter, since the census has not
> yet been performed, and we cannot yet adlect anyone to the Senate.
>
> I shall add to other comments here that there is no obvious evil intent
> in the temporary exclusion of M. Minucius Audens from the Senate any more
> than in the delays in accepting new citizenship applications due to the
> server transfer, and that there does not appear to be any political
> motivation for any charges against the parties who seem to think that they
> are on some sort of hit list. When one violates the norms of society, one
> should expect that normal people will find fault with this; when one makes
> gross and disgusting sexual comments about a priestess sworn to chastity,
> one should expect that others will find this less than amusing. It is not
> appropriate to insult the clergy of another¹s faith, and that, too, for no
> good reason; no one should expect that the practitioners of the faith
> concerned might fail to contemplate sanctions. Surely they are
> well-deserved in this case. Moreover, when one makes a habit of
> transferring posts from assorted private lists to another for the purpose of
> entertaining the members thereof (or encouraging others to do this), and
> that, too, while forbidding anyone from doing the same from the list in
> question, one is on tenuous moral ground even without the appalling comments
> directed at others, including members of the Religio Romana clergy. Nero,
> those who know what was said know how vile this was; Senatori Audens, while
> your temporary exile from the curia rankles you, I seriously doubt that it
> stems from animosity toward you or your faith, though too many here have a
> penchant for insulting the latter, if not the former.
>
> Valete.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73061 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Cato Neroni sal.

Yes, it is against the law. Read the lex Salicia peonalis.

Your comment seems like the equivalent of saying "well, they can beat you to death with rubber hoses, but as long as they don't leave a mark it's fine because the law only says they cannot disfigure you."

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
> Technicaly speaking even if it was true, which I doubt. If they were making a hostile environment for christians that in and of itself isn't against the law, as long as you're still allowed your citizenship they seem to me at east to be within the functions of the constitution. But like I said I doubt they're making life difficult.
> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> Nero
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73062 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve,

Nero, are you saying its okay to terrorize and harass someone because of
their Religious beliefs? I could totally be reading your uh verbage wrong
which I apologize for if that is the case. Mind rephrasing a few sentences
on that one. Last time I checked it wasn't mandatory to be a practicioner of
the Religio Romana in order to be a civis of Nova Roma. If that's the case
a great deal of us shouldn't be here, Magistrates included.


Vale,
Aeternia

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve,
> Technicaly speaking even if it was true, which I doubt. If they were making
> a hostile environment for christians that in and of itself isn't against the
> law, as long as you're still allowed your citizenship they seem to me at
> east to be within the functions of the constitution. But like I said I doubt
> they're making life difficult.
>
> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> Nero
>
> ________________________________
> From: Cato <catoinnyc@... <catoinnyc%40gmail.com>>
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 10:17:16 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Interesting development
>
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> Shouldn't you be more concerned with seeing that the law is upheld? Agrippa
> made statements - as you yourself have done repeatedly on every List of
> which you and I have been a part - that quite clearly create an extremely
> hostile environment for Christians. This is a violation of the law.
>
> Is fishing around for some kind of charge to lay against citizens of the
> Respublica one of the CP's "wonderful things to do"?
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@. ..> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete;
> > I received an email from a member of the Religio Romana list who felt she
> would be thrown out of Nova Roma after legal threats by Cato, [see his post
> below]. it's complaints that drew the PM to bring the issue up.
> >
> > The CP has so many wonderful things real things to do: issue a basic
> wedding service, train new priests and priestesses, train augurs. Research,
> helping cultores.
> > vale
> > Maior
> >
> > "Cato Agrippae sal.
> >
> > Are you positive that you want to go on record - in an official List run
> by the
> > Respublica - with these kinds of statements?
> >
> > I suggest you look at the lex Salicia poenalis very, very carefully,
> especially
> > the clause regarding contumelia pietate. Maior is - for now - protected
> by
> > virtue of her magistracy.. .."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina
> <maximavaleriamessa llina@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve, Aeternia
> > >
> > > It is regrettable that a part of what is being discussed in the
> Collegium Pontificum should have been posted to the ML. It is neither a
> "public" or "private" issue. It is but one small part of a large agenda
> presented for discussion, and to be thoroughly examined, by the Collegium
> Pontificum and not on the ML. I assure you there is no "dastardly plot". I
> would not allow such a thing nor would anyone else in the Collegium. The
> results of our discussions and voting will be posted to the ML some time
> next week when we have finished. I thank you for your patience and
> understanding.
> > >
> > > Vale bene in pace Deorum,
> > >
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > >
> > >
> > > <<--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Iterum,
> > >
> > > Complete dodge there wouldn't you say Modianus? I think since Sulla has
> > > posted exposing this dastardly plot ... It's now a "Public" issue and
> no
> > > longer a "Private" matter, why continue the ruse?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > > Aeternia>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73063 From: Riku Demyx Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve,
No what I am saying is that one should not make accusations of law breaking if it is not occurring. I did type it wrong and I did not mean for it to come out that way but my main point still stands: Where laws are not broken one should not claim as much.
I have no problems with christians (if I did I;d have to hate my mom) but to be constintly saying oh this happened because I'm christian or that happened because I'm not a cultor is just ridiculous.
Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
Nero

P.S. If someone would send a transcript of the supposed hate speech against christians?






________________________________
From: Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 10:47:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Interesting development

Salve,

Nero, are you saying its okay to terrorize and harass someone because of
their Religious beliefs? I could totally be reading your uh verbage wrong
which I apologize for if that is the case. Mind rephrasing a few sentences
on that one. Last time I checked it wasn't mandatory to be a practicioner of
the Religio Romana in order to be a civis of Nova Roma. If that's the case
a great deal of us shouldn't be here, Magistrates included.


Vale,
Aeternia

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve,
> Technicaly speaking even if it was true, which I doubt. If they were making
> a hostile environment for christians that in and of itself isn't against the
> law, as long as you're still allowed your citizenship they seem to me at
> east to be within the functions of the constitution. But like I said I doubt
> they're making life difficult.
>
> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> Nero
>
> ________________________________
> From: Cato <catoinnyc@... <catoinnyc%40gmail.com>>
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 10:17:16 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Interesting development
>
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> Shouldn't you be more concerned with seeing that the law is upheld? Agrippa
> made statements - as you yourself have done repeatedly on every List of
> which you and I have been a part - that quite clearly create an extremely
> hostile environment for Christians. This is a violation of the law.
>
> Is fishing around for some kind of charge to lay against citizens of the
> Respublica one of the CP's "wonderful things to do"?
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@. ..> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete;
> > I received an email from a member of the Religio Romana list who felt she
> would be thrown out of Nova Roma after legal threats by Cato, [see his post
> below]. it's complaints that drew the PM to bring the issue up.
> >
> > The CP has so many wonderful things real things to do: issue a basic
> wedding service, train new priests and priestesses, train augurs. Research,
> helping cultores.
> > vale
> > Maior
> >
> > "Cato Agrippae sal.
> >
> > Are you positive that you want to go on record - in an official List run
> by the
> > Respublica - with these kinds of statements?
> >
> > I suggest you look at the lex Salicia poenalis very, very carefully,
> especially
> > the clause regarding contumelia pietate. Maior is - for now - protected
> by
> > virtue of her magistracy.. .."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina
> <maximavaleriamessa llina@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve, Aeternia
> > >
> > > It is regrettable that a part of what is being discussed in the
> Collegium Pontificum should have been posted to the ML. It is neither a
> "public" or "private" issue. It is but one small part of a large agenda
> presented for discussion, and to be thoroughly examined, by the Collegium
> Pontificum and not on the ML. I assure you there is no "dastardly plot". I
> would not allow such a thing nor would anyone else in the Collegium. The
> results of our discussions and voting will be posted to the ML some time
> next week when we have finished. I thank you for your patience and
> understanding.
> > >
> > > Vale bene in pace Deorum,
> > >
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > >
> > >
> > > <<--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Iterum,
> > >
> > > Complete dodge there wouldn't you say Modianus? I think since Sulla has
> > > posted exposing this dastardly plot ... It's now a "Public" issue and
> no
> > > longer a "Private" matter, why continue the ruse?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > > Aeternia>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73064 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve, Messalina


Esteemed Vestal, I have read your words most carefully... And I must give
kudos to your tactfulness unlike your how shall we say Colleague (Buteo) you
can at least give some form of a diplomatic response. I am humbly asking
you to at least explain this much and for the time being.. I will at least
attempt not to probe the matter further. How is declaring two very well
known Senators, one who has fully completed the Cursus Honorum declaring
them impius someone else wants nefas suddenly, just a small part of a larger
agenda? Surely due to the enormity of who these individuals are there must
be valid grounds for the charges.. Not because of so&so said this, or
someone called me a name in spirited jest and my already damaged ego just
can't handle it... Perhaps it is my way of analytical thinking I'm not
seeing actual bonafide reasons for it... I'm not saying that Sulla and Cato
are perfect angels because no one is, but I believe there must a better way
of handling this.....


Vale,
Aeternia

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve, Aeternia
>
> It is regrettable that a part of what is being discussed in the Collegium
> Pontificum should have been posted to the ML. It is neither a "public" or
> "private" issue. It is but one small part of a large agenda presented for
> discussion, and to be thoroughly examined, by the Collegium Pontificum and
> not on the ML. I assure you there is no "dastardly plot". I would not allow
> such a thing nor would anyone else in the Collegium. The results of our
> discussions and voting will be posted to the ML some time next week when we
> have finished. I thank you for your patience and understanding.
>
> Vale bene in pace Deorum,
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>
>
> <<--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...<cyannerose%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Salve Iterum,
>
> Complete dodge there wouldn't you say Modianus? I think since Sulla has
> posted exposing this dastardly plot ... It's now a "Public" issue and no
> longer a "Private" matter, why continue the ruse?
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73065 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Actually Aeternia;
if Cato hadn't talked about business from the College of Augurs in the BA and Sulla hadn't forwarded posts from the CP to the BA, they could be following the entire discussion now on the CP as all senators can do.

And you know this as well.

For their breach of trust, they were put off the CP & CA lists. They are the authors of the complaints against them by their bad behavior. Just like the one posted below.

And it is not appropriate to discuss the matter on the ML while it is going on. Of course you are free to ask any senatrix or senator what is occurring.
Maior


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
>
> Salve, Messalina
>
>
> Esteemed Vestal, I have read your words most carefully... And I must give
> kudos to your tactfulness unlike your how shall we say Colleague (Buteo) you
> can at least give some form of a diplomatic response. I am humbly asking
> you to at least explain this much and for the time being.. I will at least
> attempt not to probe the matter further. How is declaring two very well
> known Senators, one who has fully completed the Cursus Honorum declaring
> them impius someone else wants nefas suddenly, just a small part of a larger
> agenda? Surely due to the enormity of who these individuals are there must
> be valid grounds for the charges.. Not because of so&so said this, or
> someone called me a name in spirited jest and my already damaged ego just
> can't handle it... Perhaps it is my way of analytical thinking I'm not
> seeing actual bonafide reasons for it... I'm not saying that Sulla and Cato
> are perfect angels because no one is, but I believe there must a better way
> of handling this.....
>
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
> maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salve, Aeternia
> >
> > It is regrettable that a part of what is being discussed in the Collegium
> > Pontificum should have been posted to the ML. It is neither a "public" or
> > "private" issue. It is but one small part of a large agenda presented for
> > discussion, and to be thoroughly examined, by the Collegium Pontificum and
> > not on the ML. I assure you there is no "dastardly plot". I would not allow
> > such a thing nor would anyone else in the Collegium. The results of our
> > discussions and voting will be posted to the ML some time next week when we
> > have finished. I thank you for your patience and understanding.
> >
> > Vale bene in pace Deorum,
> >
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis
> >
> >
> > <<--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...<cyannerose%40gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Salve Iterum,
> >
> > Complete dodge there wouldn't you say Modianus? I think since Sulla has
> > posted exposing this dastardly plot ... It's now a "Public" issue and no
> > longer a "Private" matter, why continue the ruse?
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia>>
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73066 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Actually Maior:

Why is it not appropriate to discuss? These are Senators afterall.

Since you did say ANY Senator or Senatrix . Sulla, Cato, will you care to
explain why the CP wants to declare you Nefas or worse?


Vale et Valete,
Aeternia

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:30 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> Actually Aeternia;
> if Cato hadn't talked about business from the College of Augurs in the BA
> and Sulla hadn't forwarded posts from the CP to the BA, they could be
> following the entire discussion now on the CP as all senators can do.
>
> And you know this as well.
>
> For their breach of trust, they were put off the CP & CA lists. They are
> the authors of the complaints against them by their bad behavior. Just like
> the one posted below.
>
> And it is not appropriate to discuss the matter on the ML while it is going
> on. Of course you are free to ask any senatrix or senator what is occurring.
> Maior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Jennifer
> Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve, Messalina
> >
> >
> > Esteemed Vestal, I have read your words most carefully... And I must give
> > kudos to your tactfulness unlike your how shall we say Colleague (Buteo)
> you
> > can at least give some form of a diplomatic response. I am humbly asking
> > you to at least explain this much and for the time being.. I will at
> least
> > attempt not to probe the matter further. How is declaring two very well
> > known Senators, one who has fully completed the Cursus Honorum declaring
> > them impius someone else wants nefas suddenly, just a small part of a
> larger
> > agenda? Surely due to the enormity of who these individuals are there
> must
> > be valid grounds for the charges.. Not because of so&so said this, or
> > someone called me a name in spirited jest and my already damaged ego just
> > can't handle it... Perhaps it is my way of analytical thinking I'm not
> > seeing actual bonafide reasons for it... I'm not saying that Sulla and
> Cato
> > are perfect angels because no one is, but I believe there must a better
> way
> > of handling this.....
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
> > maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve, Aeternia
> > >
> > > It is regrettable that a part of what is being discussed in the
> Collegium
> > > Pontificum should have been posted to the ML. It is neither a "public"
> or
> > > "private" issue. It is but one small part of a large agenda presented
> for
> > > discussion, and to be thoroughly examined, by the Collegium Pontificum
> and
> > > not on the ML. I assure you there is no "dastardly plot". I would not
> allow
> > > such a thing nor would anyone else in the Collegium. The results of our
> > > discussions and voting will be posted to the ML some time next week
> when we
> > > have finished. I thank you for your patience and understanding.
> > >
> > > Vale bene in pace Deorum,
> > >
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > >
> > >
> > > <<--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...<cyannerose%
> 40gmail.com>>
>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Iterum,
> > >
> > > Complete dodge there wouldn't you say Modianus? I think since Sulla has
> > > posted exposing this dastardly plot ... It's now a "Public" issue and
> no
> > > longer a "Private" matter, why continue the ruse?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > > Aeternia>>
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73067 From: Robert Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Tink,

I have no idea what is going on in the CP. I was subscribed to the CP list and received messages but for a while now I have been, with no notification, removed from the CP list. It was my understanding the senators are allowed to observe the CP actions.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor - twice
Consul - twice
Praetor Urbanus
Former Governor of California
Quaestor
Lictor of Nova Roma
Senator of Nova Roma

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
>
> Actually Maior:
>
> Why is it not appropriate to discuss? These are Senators afterall.
>
> Since you did say ANY Senator or Senatrix . Sulla, Cato, will you care to
> explain why the CP wants to declare you Nefas or worse?
>
>
> Vale et Valete,
> Aeternia
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:30 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Actually Aeternia;
> > if Cato hadn't talked about business from the College of Augurs in the BA
> > and Sulla hadn't forwarded posts from the CP to the BA, they could be
> > following the entire discussion now on the CP as all senators can do.
> >
> > And you know this as well.
> >
> > For their breach of trust, they were put off the CP & CA lists. They are
> > the authors of the complaints against them by their bad behavior. Just like
> > the one posted below.
> >
> > And it is not appropriate to discuss the matter on the ML while it is going
> > on. Of course you are free to ask any senatrix or senator what is occurring.
> > Maior
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Jennifer
> > Harris <cyannerose@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve, Messalina
> > >
> > >
> > > Esteemed Vestal, I have read your words most carefully... And I must give
> > > kudos to your tactfulness unlike your how shall we say Colleague (Buteo)
> > you
> > > can at least give some form of a diplomatic response. I am humbly asking
> > > you to at least explain this much and for the time being.. I will at
> > least
> > > attempt not to probe the matter further. How is declaring two very well
> > > known Senators, one who has fully completed the Cursus Honorum declaring
> > > them impius someone else wants nefas suddenly, just a small part of a
> > larger
> > > agenda? Surely due to the enormity of who these individuals are there
> > must
> > > be valid grounds for the charges.. Not because of so&so said this, or
> > > someone called me a name in spirited jest and my already damaged ego just
> > > can't handle it... Perhaps it is my way of analytical thinking I'm not
> > > seeing actual bonafide reasons for it... I'm not saying that Sulla and
> > Cato
> > > are perfect angels because no one is, but I believe there must a better
> > way
> > > of handling this.....
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > > Aeternia
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
> > > maximavaleriamessallina@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Salve, Aeternia
> > > >
> > > > It is regrettable that a part of what is being discussed in the
> > Collegium
> > > > Pontificum should have been posted to the ML. It is neither a "public"
> > or
> > > > "private" issue. It is but one small part of a large agenda presented
> > for
> > > > discussion, and to be thoroughly examined, by the Collegium Pontificum
> > and
> > > > not on the ML. I assure you there is no "dastardly plot". I would not
> > allow
> > > > such a thing nor would anyone else in the Collegium. The results of our
> > > > discussions and voting will be posted to the ML some time next week
> > when we
> > > > have finished. I thank you for your patience and understanding.
> > > >
> > > > Vale bene in pace Deorum,
> > > >
> > > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <<--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@<cyannerose%
> > 40gmail.com>>
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salve Iterum,
> > > >
> > > > Complete dodge there wouldn't you say Modianus? I think since Sulla has
> > > > posted exposing this dastardly plot ... It's now a "Public" issue and
> > no
> > > > longer a "Private" matter, why continue the ruse?
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > > Aeternia>>
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73068 From: Robert Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Actually I forwarded the CP Post of the antipope using macro-national redress of grievances to the senate. It was CP post #9. If it was acceptable for him to seek to arrest Marcus Cassius using the Sheriffs dept - then it was certainly appropriate for myself to use macro-national avenues to seek administrative relief in the violation of my rights within Nova Roma.

Please, Maior, get the facts correct.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Actually Aeternia;
> if Cato hadn't talked about business from the College of Augurs in the BA and Sulla hadn't forwarded posts from the CP to the BA, they could be following the entire discussion now on the CP as all senators can do.
>
> And you know this as well.
>
> For their breach of trust, they were put off the CP & CA lists. They are the authors of the complaints against them by their bad behavior. Just like the one posted below.
>
> And it is not appropriate to discuss the matter on the ML while it is going on. Of course you are free to ask any senatrix or senator what is occurring.
> Maior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve, Messalina
> >
> >
> > Esteemed Vestal, I have read your words most carefully... And I must give
> > kudos to your tactfulness unlike your how shall we say Colleague (Buteo) you
> > can at least give some form of a diplomatic response. I am humbly asking
> > you to at least explain this much and for the time being.. I will at least
> > attempt not to probe the matter further. How is declaring two very well
> > known Senators, one who has fully completed the Cursus Honorum declaring
> > them impius someone else wants nefas suddenly, just a small part of a larger
> > agenda? Surely due to the enormity of who these individuals are there must
> > be valid grounds for the charges.. Not because of so&so said this, or
> > someone called me a name in spirited jest and my already damaged ego just
> > can't handle it... Perhaps it is my way of analytical thinking I'm not
> > seeing actual bonafide reasons for it... I'm not saying that Sulla and Cato
> > are perfect angels because no one is, but I believe there must a better way
> > of handling this.....
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
> > maximavaleriamessallina@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve, Aeternia
> > >
> > > It is regrettable that a part of what is being discussed in the Collegium
> > > Pontificum should have been posted to the ML. It is neither a "public" or
> > > "private" issue. It is but one small part of a large agenda presented for
> > > discussion, and to be thoroughly examined, by the Collegium Pontificum and
> > > not on the ML. I assure you there is no "dastardly plot". I would not allow
> > > such a thing nor would anyone else in the Collegium. The results of our
> > > discussions and voting will be posted to the ML some time next week when we
> > > have finished. I thank you for your patience and understanding.
> > >
> > > Vale bene in pace Deorum,
> > >
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > >
> > >
> > > <<--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@<cyannerose%40gmail.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Iterum,
> > >
> > > Complete dodge there wouldn't you say Modianus? I think since Sulla has
> > > posted exposing this dastardly plot ... It's now a "Public" issue and no
> > > longer a "Private" matter, why continue the ruse?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > > Aeternia>>
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73069 From: q_caecilius Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Praetrix M Hortensia,

That brings up two pertinent questions. First, why is it that other senators have the ability to view the deliberations of the College of Pontiffs (et al.) while these two do not? Given that all senators were given this ability under consular edict, which has not been renewed, technically none of them should be doing so. And if, in fact, they are to continue to do so, something greater than an edict should be passed, and either all senators or no senators should have that ability by virtue of their senatorial seat. Secondly, how is it not appropriate to discuss something which will ultimately affect the entirety of the citizenry, and the organisation at large, in our most public of fora? The precedent was set long ago for the items under deliberation by the College to be made public, since the agenda of previous sessions had been published on this mailing list and others. It is nothing if not appropriate for such items to be discussed here so long as the College will be open to viewing by individuals not in the College, and for so long as items under deliberation by the College affect the People.

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Pontifex

> Actually Aeternia;
> if Cato hadn't talked about business from the College of Augurs in the BA and Sulla hadn't forwarded posts from the CP to the BA, they could be following the entire discussion now on the CP as all senators can do.
>
> And you know this as well.
>
> For their breach of trust, they were put off the CP & CA lists. They are the authors of the complaints against them by their bad behavior. Just like the one posted below.
>
> And it is not appropriate to discuss the matter on the ML while it is going on. Of course you are free to ask any senatrix or senator what is occurring.
> Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73070 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
M. Hortensia Maior Flaminica Carmentalis Q. Caecilio Metello pontifici

Since you are posting here, I will repeat what I said in the CP, I held out my hand to you in friendship if you would apologize for your insulting words below that you posted August on the Main List.

Respect is important, especially among religious officials. Many women have left the CP in the past due to rude and uncivil behavior. This must change. We can agree to disagree without vile insults.

Can you treat me with the respect I deserve; I have never insulted you.

- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Caecilius Metellus" <q.caecilius.metellus@...> wrote:

Maior,

Here's the problem with your compilation: you're not even giving half the story. You've taken just the parts to smear the people you want to smear, and taken no regard for the rest of the story. And that, in the worst way, especially of someone who has the balls to call herself a priestess, is nothing short of despicable. And if you have any sense of honour, as a Roman should, and particularly a Roman priestess, you should have just as much about yourself to put the full truth in the open air. The problem is, you wouldn't do so to save your soul, because you are nothing if not afraid of the truth which is that you are nothing more than a manipulative, deceptive, idiotic, worthless pissant who would be better serving as a mop for the floors of the brothels of Las Vegas than in any official position within Nova Roma or any other organisation which intends to hold repute.

--Quintus Caecilius Metellus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "q_caecilius" <q.caecilius.metellus@...> wrote:
>
> Praetrix M Hortensia,
>
> That brings up two pertinent questions. First, why is it that other senators have the ability to view the deliberations of the College of Pontiffs (et al.) while these two do not? Given that all senators were given this ability under consular edict, which has not been renewed, technically none of them should be doing so. And if, in fact, they are to continue to do so, something greater than an edict should be passed, and either all senators or no senators should have that ability by virtue of their senatorial seat. Secondly, how is it not appropriate to discuss something which will ultimately affect the entirety of the citizenry, and the organisation at large, in our most public of fora? The precedent was set long ago for the items under deliberation by the College to be made public, since the agenda of previous sessions had been published on this mailing list and others. It is nothing if not appropriate for such items to be discussed here so long as the College will be open to viewing by individuals not in the College, and for so long as items under deliberation by the College affect the People.
>
> Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
> Pontifex
>
> > Actually Aeternia;
> > if Cato hadn't talked about business from the College of Augurs in the BA and Sulla hadn't forwarded posts from the CP to the BA, they could be following the entire discussion now on the CP as all senators can do.
> >
> > And you know this as well.
> >
> > For their breach of trust, they were put off the CP & CA lists. They are the authors of the complaints against them by their bad behavior. Just like the one posted below.
> >
> > And it is not appropriate to discuss the matter on the ML while it is going on. Of course you are free to ask any senatrix or senator what is occurring.
> > Maior
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73071 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit

I suggest you contact one of your senator friends who is an observer on the
CP list and ask just how much I have gotten involved in discussing you and
Sulla. I really don't care enough about you and Sulla to invest time and
energy discussing you. I would rather focus my efforts on worthwhile
endeavors. Do I value what you and Sulla have to "offer?" Not anymore;
although I value Sulla less it is hard to get any lower than zero.

The point of my message is don't flatter yourself.

Vale;

Modianus

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

>
>
> Cato Modiano sal.
>
> I just realized something. You've proven here that you really don't care
> what you charge me with - your intent is simply to charge me with
> *something*. How blatant can you be?
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73072 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Quinto Caecilio Metello salutem dicit

Some might find it entertaining these questions that you ask, but you know
the answer to all of these questions since they have been answered within
the Collegium Pontificum list; likewise, it has not been customary to
discus decretum issues on the main list while simultaneously being discussed
in the Collegium. Such occurrences are coincidence rather that prescribed.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:02 AM, q_caecilius <q.caecilius.metellus@...
> wrote:

>
>
> Praetrix M Hortensia,
>
> That brings up two pertinent questions. First, why is it that other
> senators have the ability to view the deliberations of the College of
> Pontiffs (et al.) while these two do not? Given that all senators were given
> this ability under consular edict, which has not been renewed, technically
> none of them should be doing so. And if, in fact, they are to continue to do
> so, something greater than an edict should be passed, and either all
> senators or no senators should have that ability by virtue of their
> senatorial seat. Secondly, how is it not appropriate to discuss something
> which will ultimately affect the entirety of the citizenry, and the
> organisation at large, in our most public of fora? The precedent was set
> long ago for the items under deliberation by the College to be made public,
> since the agenda of previous sessions had been published on this mailing
> list and others. It is nothing if not appropriate for such items to be
> discussed here so long as the College will be open to viewing by individuals
> not in the College, and for so long as items under deliberation by the
> College affect the People.
>
> Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
> Pontifex
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73073 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: a. d. XIII Kalendas Februarias: Death of Clodius, Caesar captures Co
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di Deaeque vos ament:

Hodie est ante diem XIII Kalendas Februaras; haec dies comitialis est:

AUC 701 / 52 BCE: Death of Clodius

T. Annius Milo, candidate for consul for AUC 702, was returning with his wife by carriage from Lanuvium, accompanied by a large retinue, including some gladiators. Publius Clodius Pulcher was candidate for praetor. He was returning on horseback from Aricia with about thirty armed men. Both parties met on the Appian Way. The retinues of both men began to fight, which led in the end to Milo slaying Clodius. Upon hearing the news, disturbances broke out in Rome between followers of both men. Tribunus Plebis Munatius Plancus displayed the body of Clodius in the Forum on the Rostra and worked the crowd against Milo. The populace carried the body of Clodius into the nearby Senate house and made a pyre to cremate it. The result was that the Senate House burned. In the aftermath Pompeius Magnus was thus named sole consul to quell the disturbances. He created a special tribunal and brought Milo to trial.

Publius Claudius Pulcher began his public life in 73 BCE by bringing an accusation of incestum against L. Sergius Catalina and Vestal Fabia. He came from a famed patrician family, nobilities. His oldest brother Appius became consul and censor by the late 50's, and his second brother Gaius, a praetor. However in 73 BCE Appius was a lieutenant of Praetor P. Varenus when Spartacus defeated him (Livy, Perioche 95.2). His three sisters, all by the same name, married Q.Caecilius Metellus Celer, L. Licinius Lucullus, and Q. Marcius Rex, each of who would become prominent in this time period. While serving as a military tribune under his brother-in-law Lucullus, Publius Claudius instigated a mutiny among the soldiers (Livy, Perioche 94.1). He then transferred to the staff of the army commanded by his other brother-in-law, Marcius Rex. In 59 BCE Publius Claudius convinced the triumvirs that he could serve their interests, and they conceded in allowing his adoption into a plebeian branch of the gens Claudia. Thereby he became Publius Clodius Pulcher and eligible to run for Tribunus Plebis. His sisters, in support of their brother, also changed their names to Clodia. Behind that, with the one Clodia, it was her husband Metellus who publicly opposed this adoption.

In 58 BCE P. Clodius became the most prominent political figure in Rome. He succeeded in once more making the Tribune a leading legislative authority. Passage of the lex Clodia de capite civis strengthened an earlier law by Gaius Gracchus on criminal justice, making it a crime to execute a Roman citizen without trial. This law has been seen as Clodius' effort to revenge himself on Cicero. Cicero had acted as witness against Clodius in 62 BCE over the incident where Clodius appeared at the women's rites for the Bona Dea, held in the house of Pontifex Maximus Gaius Julius Caesar, the Praetor designatus at the time (3 Dec. 63 BCE). In his year as Consul Cicero had executed alleged followers of Catalina. Some saw Clodius' law as directed against Cicero, who went into self-exile rather than face trial. Clodius was also able to drive Cato from the City. Rather than a tool of the triumvirs, Clodius set about opposing Caesar's legislation and used the comitia to pick at the arrangements Pompey had made in the East. At times he used his political connections with the party of Caesar. Besides Caesar himself, Consul Calpurnius Piso, Caesar's father-in-law and collector of the works of Philodemus, supported Tribune Clodius. Gaius Claudius, Clodius' brother, was a staff officer in Caesar's army, and unlike his brothers, throughout the period he remained politicaly allied with Caesar. In spite of having sent Cato away, Clodius won the support of the Catonians in opposing Caesar and Pompey. Mostly he tried to carve out his own following by posing himself as the true champion of the People, rather than the triumvirs, as when he proposed to erect a Temple to Libertatis on land taken from Cicero. Another measure that he passed made the distribution of grain to the poor free of charge, where before grain was always sold at a competitively low price. One result of this grain measure was the increased frequency of manumissions. Masters found it more economical to free slaves, putting them on the State's grain rolls. It increased the number of available voters who supported Clodius, which came into play during his campaign for Praetor in 52 BCE.

Out of office in 57 BCE Clodius saw Pompey place checks on his street gangs, and the return of Cicero, while Milo tried to prosecute him. But Clodius was aided by his brother Appius Claudius, who was Praetor that year, and by Consul Q. Metellus Nepos, who was Clodius' cousin and the brother of Mucia, Pompey's estranged wife – Pompey having taken Iulia instead. Also two Tribunes, Sex. Atilius Serranus and Q. Numerius Rufus, strongly opposed the return of Cicero, while either they or another tribune helped to oppose Milo from prosecuting Clodius. Milo was himself a Tribune that year. When the trial was halted, Pompey unleashed Milo who brought in his own gangs to rival the Clodiani. The courts were suspended and other government functions impeded. Clodius was running for the office of Aedilis for 56 BCE, when he would attain immunity, so an effort was again made to prosecute him before year's end. In office again in 56 BCE the tables had turned and it was Clodius and his allies prosecuting the three Tribunes who opposed Clodius in 57 BCE. Milo, whose trial of February was postponed after riots broke out and was never rejoined. Sestius, who was defended by Cicero, Hortensius and Pompeians, won acquittal. Cicero's defense was not enough, however, to win Cispius an acquittal. Clodiani also unsuccessfully prosecuted Calpurnius Bestia, an Aedilis in 57 and supporter of Cato. Meanwhile Milo made his own accusations against Clodiani so that Clodius was kept busy in the courts as well as in the streets.

And so things continued as Roman politics began to fragment more into smaller parties. By 52 BCE T. Annius Milo was dictator of Lanuvium and candidate for Consul of Rome. P. Clodius Pulcher was candidate for Praetor. Their fateful encounter on the Via Appia ended both of their careers, Clodius in death and Milo in exile. Milo did later return only to be executed afterwards. Clodius proposed to revive a measure by Manilius that would distribute the liberti into the rural tribes as well as urban. The number of liberti, or freedmen, had greatly increased as a result of Clodius' earlier grain measure. Cicero, in defending Milo for Clodius' murder, claimed that Clodius had created a new urban tribe on the Colline and was bringing in more slaves from rural districts to be freed. (Pro Milo 24-25). Cicero characterized Clodius' proposal as an attempt to "have made all our slaves his own freedmen," and "to hand us over to the power of our slaves (Pro Milo 87; 89)." The published defense of Milo was harsher in tone and more rhetorical than Cicero was actually able to deliver. The public trial was crowded with Clodiani and liberti who heckled and laughed Cicero down from the podium. Cicero later apologized to Milo for not offering a better defense, and thus wrote what we have instead today. But Milo replied that Cicero had actually done him a favor as he was enjoying the mullets of Marseilles while in exile. Three years later, the tensions that had ended the life of Clodius erupted into civil war.


AUC 704 / 49 BCE: Caesar takes Corfinium on his march on Rome

"At Corfinium Caesar came up with and besieged Lucius Domitius, who had been sent to be his successor in the command of Gaul, but who did not have all of his 4000 men with him. The inhabitants of Corfinium captured him at the gates, as he was trying to escape, and brought him to Caesar. The latter received the soldiers of Domitius, who offered themselves to him, with kindness, in order to encourage others to join him, and he allowed Domitius to go unharmed wherever he liked, and to take his own money with him. He hoped perhaps that Domitius would stay with him on account of this beneficence, but he did not prevent him from joining Pompey. While these transactions were taking place thus swiftly, Pompey hastened from Capua to Nuceria and thence to Brundusium in order to cross the Adriatic to Epirus and complete his preparations for war there. He wrote letters to all the provinces and the commanders thereof, to princes, kings, and cities to send aid for carrying on the war with the greatest possible speed, and this they did zealously. Pompey's own army was in Spain ready to move wherever it might be needed." ~ Appian, The Civil Wars 2.38

Within sixty days, from 10 January to Mid-March, Caesar and Legio XIII drove Pompeius Magnus out of Italy. The Republican army gathered at Dyrrhachium in Greece. Without his own naval transports Caesar turned back to Rome.


AUC 978 / 225 CE: Birth of Gordian III


Our thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 2.11.3-4

"That good and evil should happen indiscriminately to the good and the bad occurs neither through ignorance, nor by having the knowledge, but not the power to guard against or correct these things. It isnot possible that the nature of the universe has overlooked them; nor is it possible that it has made so great a mistake, either through want of power or want of skill, But death certainly, and life, honor and dishonor, pain and pleasure, all these things equally happen to good men and bad, being things which make us neither better nor worse. Therefore they are neither good nor evil."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73074 From: q_caecilius Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Q Caecilius Metellus K Fabio Buteoni Modiano sal.

It is rather interesting itself, Pontifex Buteo, that you feel the need to chime in on the questions I raised, only to attempt to deflect the issue. I asked two questions of the Praetrix. Regardless of my opinions on her personality, I still think she is an intelligent individual and very well capable of answering both questions. You are also an intelligent individual, and capable of answering at least one of the two questions I raised. So rather than allow you to deflect the issues, just as I posed the questions to the Praetrix, I pose them to you too. First, why are only some senators (aside from those holding an office in the College) permitted to be privy to the deliberations of the College by virtue of their senatorial seat? Second, why is it not appropriate to discuss matters which will affect the entire citizenry in public fora?


> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Quinto Caecilio Metello salutem dicit
>
> Some might find it entertaining these questions that you ask, but you know
> the answer to all of these questions since they have been answered within
> the Collegium Pontificum list; likewise, it has not been customary to
> discus decretum issues on the main list while simultaneously being discussed
> in the Collegium. Such occurrences are coincidence rather that prescribed.
>
> Vale;
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73075 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Cato Maiori sal.

And once again, you are lying. I was never a member of either the CP *or* the CA Lists.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Actually Aeternia;
> if Cato hadn't talked about business from the College of Augurs in the BA and Sulla hadn't forwarded posts from the CP to the BA, they could be following the entire discussion now on the CP as all senators can do.
>
> And you know this as well.
>
> For their breach of trust, they were put off the CP & CA lists. They are the authors of the complaints against them by their bad behavior. Just like the one posted below.
>
> And it is not appropriate to discuss the matter on the ML while it is going on. Of course you are free to ask any senatrix or senator what is occurring.
> Maior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve, Messalina
> >
> >
> > Esteemed Vestal, I have read your words most carefully... And I must give
> > kudos to your tactfulness unlike your how shall we say Colleague (Buteo) you
> > can at least give some form of a diplomatic response. I am humbly asking
> > you to at least explain this much and for the time being.. I will at least
> > attempt not to probe the matter further. How is declaring two very well
> > known Senators, one who has fully completed the Cursus Honorum declaring
> > them impius someone else wants nefas suddenly, just a small part of a larger
> > agenda? Surely due to the enormity of who these individuals are there must
> > be valid grounds for the charges.. Not because of so&so said this, or
> > someone called me a name in spirited jest and my already damaged ego just
> > can't handle it... Perhaps it is my way of analytical thinking I'm not
> > seeing actual bonafide reasons for it... I'm not saying that Sulla and Cato
> > are perfect angels because no one is, but I believe there must a better way
> > of handling this.....
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
> > maximavaleriamessallina@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve, Aeternia
> > >
> > > It is regrettable that a part of what is being discussed in the Collegium
> > > Pontificum should have been posted to the ML. It is neither a "public" or
> > > "private" issue. It is but one small part of a large agenda presented for
> > > discussion, and to be thoroughly examined, by the Collegium Pontificum and
> > > not on the ML. I assure you there is no "dastardly plot". I would not allow
> > > such a thing nor would anyone else in the Collegium. The results of our
> > > discussions and voting will be posted to the ML some time next week when we
> > > have finished. I thank you for your patience and understanding.
> > >
> > > Vale bene in pace Deorum,
> > >
> > > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > >
> > >
> > > <<--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@<cyannerose%40gmail.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Iterum,
> > >
> > > Complete dodge there wouldn't you say Modianus? I think since Sulla has
> > > posted exposing this dastardly plot ... It's now a "Public" issue and no
> > > longer a "Private" matter, why continue the ruse?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > > Aeternia>>
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73076 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Little Bobbie

By referring to me as "the antipope" do you think to insult me? LOL It might have more meaning if Benedict would call me that, but then I'd have to take it as a compliment that he or anyone would think of me as his counter part.

So, your objection is to what I did as Consul to restore Senate control over Nova Roma's accounts and records. As the CEO of the corporation of NR, Inc. it was my legal responsibility to attain those funds and those records, just as the Senate, acting as the Board of Directors, had instructed my predecessor Galerius Paulus to do. He was unable to accomplish it, but I succeeded. As for warning the Cassii of the potential legal consequences if they continued to without corporate records and continued to withhold access to corporate funds from the legal corporate authories, the corporate officers really had no choice as it was their legal responsibility to do so, and if necessary to follow up on those warnings by filing claims against them. I was advised to do so by members of the Board and by legal council. And I was prepared to do so if they continued to delay as they had the previous year.

If you have some sort of problem with my actions as Consul two years ago, then what justifies your vulgar insults directed against our Vestal Virgo Maxima, or agains Vestales in general? What justifies you're mocking the Gods? What justifies you're attacking the Collegia and its members? If you have something personal against me or my actions as a Consul, I do not see how that allows you to make sexual insults against women who serve the Gods.

As for the discussions of the Collegium Pontificum, do not flatter yourself. The Items on the impii are unimportant and insignificant in themselves, but only relate to another Item of greater importance. You have sufficiently declared yourself as impius by your actions. No one needs a decretum from the Collegium Pontificum to see your lack of character.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> Actually I forwarded the CP Post of the antipope using macro-national redress of grievances to the senate. It was CP post #9. If it was acceptable for him to seek to arrest Marcus Cassius using the Sheriffs dept - then it was certainly appropriate for myself to use macro-national avenues to seek administrative relief in the violation of my rights within Nova Roma.
>
> Please, Maior, get the facts correct.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73077 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Call to order of the Senate - Jan. 2763 auc. session
Consul Albucius omnibus s.d.

I have informed the senators that the Senate shall be convened for tomorrow afternoon Rome time.

The detailed of the seven items proposed either to simple information or discussion, or to discussion and vote, will be publicly provided once the session opened and that every senator will be supposed to have taken good knowledge of them.

I thank you, Quirites, for your understanding on this point.

The session, which will begin tomorrow 21 at 14h Rome time will end at Rome sunset time next Jan. 27 (a.d. VI Kal. Feb. 2763).

The items submitted to the Patres are the following ones:

Item I – Current session of the Collegium Pontificum – information of the Senate required from the Pontifex Maximus on:
1.1. the CP current session general agenda
1.2. Two points written at its agenda concerning the possible declaration of impietas of senatores G. Equitius Cato and L. Cornelius Sulla Felix, its factual and legal base and possible consequences

Item II – Information on the budget procedure

Item III – Information on the writing of by-laws for NR Inc. non profit making corporation

Item IV - Discussion on the best date for the annual entry in office of the tribunes (Dec. 10, Jan 1, or any other one)

Item V – Emergency fund : confirmation and, if confirmed, application to Haïti current situation (information by Cur. Aer. And former coss. MCC and MIS + vote)

Item VI – Provinces – Definition and delineation – European provinces (discussion + vote)

Item VII – SC de ratione senatus – modification – Item VII – SC de ratione senatus – modification – members of the senate who may have a personal interest in a question submitted to discussion and vote (discussion + vote).

Thanks for your attention, et valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73078 From: David Kling Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Call to order of the Senate - Jan. 2763 auc. session
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus P. Memmio Albucio salutem dicit

I thought it was the task of the tribunes to report on the senate? Why are
you posting the agenda?

Additionally, who took the auspices for the senate meeting?

Vale;

Modianus

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:00 AM, publiusalbucius
<albucius_aoe@...>wrote:

>
>
> Consul Albucius omnibus s.d.
>
> I have informed the senators that the Senate shall be convened for tomorrow
> afternoon Rome time.
>
> The detailed of the seven items proposed either to simple information or
> discussion, or to discussion and vote, will be publicly provided once the
> session opened and that every senator will be supposed to have taken good
> knowledge of them.
>
> I thank you, Quirites, for your understanding on this point.
>
> The session, which will begin tomorrow 21 at 14h Rome time will end at Rome
> sunset time next Jan. 27 (a.d. VI Kal. Feb. 2763).
>
> The items submitted to the Patres are the following ones:
>
> Item I � Current session of the Collegium Pontificum � information of the
> Senate required from the Pontifex Maximus on:
> 1.1. the CP current session general agenda
> 1.2. Two points written at its agenda concerning the possible declaration
> of impietas of senatores G. Equitius Cato and L. Cornelius Sulla Felix, its
> factual and legal base and possible consequences
>
> Item II � Information on the budget procedure
>
> Item III � Information on the writing of by-laws for NR Inc. non profit
> making corporation
>
> Item IV - Discussion on the best date for the annual entry in office of the
> tribunes (Dec. 10, Jan 1, or any other one)
>
> Item V � Emergency fund : confirmation and, if confirmed, application to
> Ha�ti current situation (information by Cur. Aer. And former coss. MCC and
> MIS + vote)
>
> Item VI � Provinces � Definition and delineation � European provinces
> (discussion + vote)
>
> Item VII � SC de ratione senatus � modification � Item VII � SC de ratione
> senatus � modification � members of the senate who may have a personal
> interest in a question submitted to discussion and vote (discussion + vote).
>
> Thanks for your attention, et valete omnes,
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> consul
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73079 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Maior Piscino spd;
rightly said. I have no more to say on this subject. As I was reminded by a wise friend; do not feed the trolls.

Now after class, I'll get that book on Roman marriage and see if I can find that article on religious dress for Lentulus. Real and productive work.
vale
M. Hortensia Maior

The Items on the impii are unimportant and insignificant in themselves, but only relate to another Item of greater importance. You have sufficiently declared yourself as impius by your actions. No one needs a decretum from the Collegium Pontificum to see your lack of character.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >
> > Actually I forwarded the CP Post of the antipope using macro-national redress of grievances to the senate. It was CP post #9. If it was acceptable for him to seek to arrest Marcus Cassius using the Sheriffs dept - then it was certainly appropriate for myself to use macro-national avenues to seek administrative relief in the violation of my rights within Nova Roma.
> >
> > Please, Maior, get the facts correct.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73080 From: Cato Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Call to order of the Senate - Jan. 2763 auc. session
Cato Modiano sal.

Just as a point of information, where in the law does it require that auspices be taken before a Senate meeting? I'm not arguing, just curious, because I can't find anything.

Vale,

Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus P. Memmio Albucio salutem dicit
>
> I thought it was the task of the tribunes to report on the senate? Why are
> you posting the agenda?
>
> Additionally, who took the auspices for the senate meeting?
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:00 AM, publiusalbucius
> <albucius_aoe@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Consul Albucius omnibus s.d.
> >
> > I have informed the senators that the Senate shall be convened for tomorrow
> > afternoon Rome time.
> >
> > The detailed of the seven items proposed either to simple information or
> > discussion, or to discussion and vote, will be publicly provided once the
> > session opened and that every senator will be supposed to have taken good
> > knowledge of them.
> >
> > I thank you, Quirites, for your understanding on this point.
> >
> > The session, which will begin tomorrow 21 at 14h Rome time will end at Rome
> > sunset time next Jan. 27 (a.d. VI Kal. Feb. 2763).
> >
> > The items submitted to the Patres are the following ones:
> >
> > Item I – Current session of the Collegium Pontificum – information of the
> > Senate required from the Pontifex Maximus on:
> > 1.1. the CP current session general agenda
> > 1.2. Two points written at its agenda concerning the possible declaration
> > of impietas of senatores G. Equitius Cato and L. Cornelius Sulla Felix, its
> > factual and legal base and possible consequences
> >
> > Item II – Information on the budget procedure
> >
> > Item III – Information on the writing of by-laws for NR Inc. non profit
> > making corporation
> >
> > Item IV - Discussion on the best date for the annual entry in office of the
> > tribunes (Dec. 10, Jan 1, or any other one)
> >
> > Item V – Emergency fund : confirmation and, if confirmed, application to
> > Haïti current situation (information by Cur. Aer. And former coss. MCC and
> > MIS + vote)
> >
> > Item VI – Provinces – Definition and delineation – European provinces
> > (discussion + vote)
> >
> > Item VII – SC de ratione senatus – modification – Item VII – SC de ratione
> > senatus – modification – members of the senate who may have a personal
> > interest in a question submitted to discussion and vote (discussion + vote).
> >
> > Thanks for your attention, et valete omnes,
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius
> > consul
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73081 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Call to order of the Senate - Jan. 2763 auc. session
Catoni Modiano senatoribus s.d.

Just for that our cives and members also have this information, for there are other places of discussion between senators:

**Cato, the applicable text is the following one:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Decretum_collegii_pontificum_et_augurum_de_iure_auspicandi_et_tripudio_%28Nova_Roma%29

**Modiane: first, it is good to have you back among us after your absence. Second, on your questions:

>I thought it was the task of the tribunes to report on the senate? >Why are you posting the agenda?

Yes, I intend leaving the tribunes displaying our cives and members the whole contents of the items, in addition of the traditional report to be issued after the session.

>Additionally, who took the auspices for the senate meeting?

I did. I have informed the PM as Magister Collegii, fyi.


Valete senatores,


Albucius cos.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Modiano sal.
>
> Just as a point of information, where in the law does it require that auspices be taken before a Senate meeting? I'm not arguing, just curious, because I can't find anything.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus P. Memmio Albucio salutem dicit
> >
> > I thought it was the task of the tribunes to report on the senate? Why are
> > you posting the agenda?
> >
> > Additionally, who took the auspices for the senate meeting?
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:00 AM, publiusalbucius
> > <albucius_aoe@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Consul Albucius omnibus s.d.
> > >
> > > I have informed the senators that the Senate shall be convened for tomorrow
> > > afternoon Rome time.
> > >
> > > The detailed of the seven items proposed either to simple information or
> > > discussion, or to discussion and vote, will be publicly provided once the
> > > session opened and that every senator will be supposed to have taken good
> > > knowledge of them.
> > >
> > > I thank you, Quirites, for your understanding on this point.
> > >
> > > The session, which will begin tomorrow 21 at 14h Rome time will end at Rome
> > > sunset time next Jan. 27 (a.d. VI Kal. Feb. 2763).
> > >
> > > The items submitted to the Patres are the following ones:
> > >
> > > Item I – Current session of the Collegium Pontificum – information of the
> > > Senate required from the Pontifex Maximus on:
> > > 1.1. the CP current session general agenda
> > > 1.2. Two points written at its agenda concerning the possible declaration
> > > of impietas of senatores G. Equitius Cato and L. Cornelius Sulla Felix, its
> > > factual and legal base and possible consequences
> > >
> > > Item II – Information on the budget procedure
> > >
> > > Item III – Information on the writing of by-laws for NR Inc. non profit
> > > making corporation
> > >
> > > Item IV - Discussion on the best date for the annual entry in office of the
> > > tribunes (Dec. 10, Jan 1, or any other one)
> > >
> > > Item V – Emergency fund : confirmation and, if confirmed, application to
> > > Haُti current situation (information by Cur. Aer. And former coss. MCC and
> > > MIS + vote)
> > >
> > > Item VI – Provinces – Definition and delineation – European provinces
> > > (discussion + vote)
> > >
> > > Item VII – SC de ratione senatus – modification – Item VII – SC de ratione
> > > senatus – modification – members of the senate who may have a personal
> > > interest in a question submitted to discussion and vote (discussion + vote).
> > >
> > > Thanks for your attention, et valete omnes,
> > >
> > > P. Memmius Albucius
> > > consul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73082 From: Stephen Roberts Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Regarding this Interesting Development
Maybe I'm out of line, but I'm a new citizen of Nova Roma. I am in my 90 day probationary period. Does argueing like this in a public forum help you raise "taxes". I can say this has shed a new light on Nova Roma I wasn't aware of and one that will make me think twice about paying "taxes" when my probationary period ends and whether or not I even remain in Nova Roma if this is the kind of thing that goes on behind the scenes. Congratulations, you have officially made something fun and made a new member wonder if he made the wrong choice by joining.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73083 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Salve, Aeternia

I meant "small" in relation to the overall size of the agenda, not to the importance of the issue. It is important, of course, but then so it everything on the agenda. I take everything that goes on in the Collegium very seriously and I think so does everyone who belongs to it, too. As I said previously, everything is still under discussion. I apologize for not being too clear and I thank you for pointing that out to me.
 
Vale bene in pace Deorum,
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis
 
 

<<--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jennifer Harris <cyannerose@...> wrote:
 
Salve, Messalina

Esteemed Vestal, I have read your words most carefully... And I must give
kudos to your tactfulness unlike your how shall we say Colleague (Buteo) you
can at least give some form of a diplomatic response.  I am humbly asking
you to at least explain this much and for the time being.. I will at least
attempt not to probe the matter further.  How is declaring two very well
known Senators, one who has fully completed the Cursus Honorum declaring
them impius someone else wants nefas suddenly, just a small part of a larger
agenda? Surely due to the enormity of who these individuals are there must
be valid grounds for the charges.. Not because of so&so said this, or
someone called me a name in spirited jest and my already damaged ego just
can't handle it... Perhaps it is my way of analytical thinking I'm not
seeing actual bonafide reasons for it... I'm not saying that Sulla and Cato
are perfect angels because no one is, but I believe there must a better way
of handling this.....


Vale,
Aeternia>>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73084 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Regarding this Interesting Development
Lentulus praetricibus et omnibus SPD

THIS IS EXACTLY why I asked the praetors of the republic several times to moderate the Main List much more rigorously, and to forbid political personalities.

Such things belong to another place, to a much more internal forum.

This forum is for recruitment, sharing infos about interesting Roman news, archeology, Latin literature, Roman history, talking about NR events, meetings, programs, and for a GENERAL discussion of NR news and politics, but "general" means that until the point when it remains purely informative and emotion-less.

It's high importance to hold such discussion in another list. Or does the UNICEF or the WWF disclose their internal political conflicts in a Yahoo mailing list open to everyone?

Valete!


 

--- Mer 20/1/10, Stephen Roberts <gaiusantoniusflavius@...> ha scritto:

Da: Stephen Roberts <gaiusantoniusflavius@...>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Regarding this Interesting Development
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Mercoledì 20 gennaio 2010, 19:57







 









Maybe I'm out of line, but I'm a new citizen of Nova Roma. I am in my 90 day probationary period. Does argueing like this in a public forum help you raise "taxes". I can say this has shed a new light on Nova Roma I wasn't aware of and one that will make me think twice about paying "taxes" when my probationary period ends and whether or not I even remain in Nova Roma if this is the kind of thing that goes on behind the scenes. Congratulations, you have officially made something fun and made a new member wonder if he made the wrong choice by joining.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73085 From: aerdensrw Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Regarding this Interesting Development
P. Corva Gaudialis Gaio Antonio Flavio sal.

It's good to have you here, however long you might be with us. Welcome!

As for what you've laudably said--I've tried many times to suggest that the bickering on this list is damaging to us as an organization and to our recruitment efforts. I was pretty shocked when I first joined, because no other mailing list I belong to is as fractious as this one. It still shocks me.

The only advantage I can see to it is that people who consider joining Nova Roma can do so with their eyes open. If you see how ugly it is and still wish to be a member, at least you know what you're getting into.

I have had my periods in which I considered leaving Nova Roma. I am really more interested in studying Roman culture, particularly its medical practices, than in recreating Roman culture in the modern world, with a system of laws, its religion, etc. This is the 21st century, not the era BC.

I'd suggest you decide which you are more interested in--recreating Rome, with its religion and politics, or simply studying the culture. I honestly think the way NR is organized, it breeds politicking by its very nature--the yearly running for office, the concept of laws which have no legal weight outside of Nova Roma, etc.

I sometimes ask myself what it is I love about Nova Roma--and then I know the answer. It's the fact that I have met some truly outstanding people here, who I deeply respect--They are not the ones who constantly bicker. I'm talkling about Marcus Audens, Maria Caeca, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, Messalina Valeria, Aula Scholastica, and Stephanus Ullerius Venator. They are wonderful people who I hope you won't deny yourself the pleasure of befriending. There are others.

There is a New Roman mailing list (part of NR), which I'm told is quite enjoyable to participate in and which I plan to join. You might find more congenial conversation there. I hope to. :)

Best wishes to you in your exploration of Roman culture, in whatever direction it may take you.

Paulla Corva
Lictrix
Past Rogatrix and Diribitrix Suffecta

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Roberts <gaiusantoniusflavius@...> wrote:
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> Maybe I'm out of line, but I'm a new citizen of Nova Roma. I am in my 90 day probationary period. Does argueing like this in a public forum help you raise "taxes". I can say this has shed a new light on Nova Roma I wasn't aware of and one that will make me think twice about paying "taxes" when my probationary period ends and whether or not I even remain in Nova Roma if this is the kind of thing that goes on behind the scenes. Congratulations, you have officially made something fun and made a new member wonder if he made the wrong choice by joining.
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73086 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: Regarding this Interesting Development
Stephan Roberts;

No, you are not out of line at all. The Main List has always been a
forum for argument since it was created . Of course, that is not it's
original purpose, but it seems that arguments and insults cannot be
strictly controlled or put onto another list. I am sympathetic to
your concern and would advise you to go to NewRoman@yahoogroups.com.
That list has several moderators in order to keep the list civil, and
the list was set up to answer the questions of new citizens in a civil
and polite way. The founder of the list was just as disappointed in
the Main List at the time, as you are now, and that is why the list
was created. I guarantee that you will be treated with civility and a
polite welcome. This is not something that can be necessarily
guarenteeded on this Main List at the present time.

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens

On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Stephen Roberts wrote:

> Maybe I'm out of line, but I'm a new citizen of Nova Roma. I am in
> my 90 day probationary period. Does arguing like this in a public
> forum help you raise "taxes". I can say this has shed a new light on
> Nova Roma I wasn't aware of and one that will make me think twice
> about paying "taxes" when my probationary period ends and whether or
> not I even remain in Nova Roma if this is the kind of thing that
> goes on behind the scenes. Congratulations, you have officially made
> something fun and made a new member wonder if he made the wrong
> choice by joining.
>
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>
>
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73087 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-01-20
Subject: Re: NR is not Wonderland was [Regarding this Interesting Development
C. Petronius Cn. Lentulo suo s.p.d.,

> Such things belong to another place, to a much more internal forum.

I think it is better to discover since the beginning of application the sides of Nova Roma, the good and the less good, rather than imagine it is Wonderland.

> This forum is for recruitment, sharing infos about interesting Roman news, archeology, Latin literature, Roman history, talking about NR events, meetings, programs, and for a GENERAL discussion of NR news and politics, but "general" means that until the point when it remains purely informative and emotion-less.

The problem is that the trolls are too often fed.

> It's high importance to hold such discussion in another list. Or does the UNICEF or the WWF disclose their internal political conflicts in a Yahoo mailing list open to everyone?

It is worst.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. XIII Kal. Feb. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.