Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Feb 1-16, 2010

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73361 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-01
Subject: KALENDAE FEBRUARIAE: Juno Sospita; Juno Februa; Numa's Temple of Ves
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73362 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-02
Subject: a. d. IV Nones Februarias: Februa, dies ater.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73363 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2010-02-02
Subject: Witness Statement of New Sacerdotes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73364 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-02
Subject: Kynee Cap if Invisibility was Re: Calling All Time Travelers!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73365 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-02
Subject: Felices natalis Corve! Re: a. d. III Kalendas Februarias: Ara Pacis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73366 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2010-02-02
Subject: Re: Felices natalis Corve! Re: a. d. III Kalendas Februarias: Ara Pa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73367 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-02
Subject: Felices natalis Corve! Re: a. d. III Kalendas Februarias: Ara Pacis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73368 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: NR anthem. was (Pagan Hymns?)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73369 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: a. d. III Nonas Februarias: Purification
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73370 From: aerdensrw Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Felices natalis Corve! Re: a. d. III Kalendas Februarias: Ara Pacis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73371 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Arion and the Dolphin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73372 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73373 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73374 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73375 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73376 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73377 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73378 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73379 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73381 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73382 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73383 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: Pridie Nonas Februarias: Funeral of Pertinax and the reign of Septim
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73385 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: Explorator 12.41 January 31, 2010
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73386 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: What have the Romans ever done for us?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73387 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Explorator 12.41 January 31, 2010
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73388 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: CONSPIRATA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73389 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2010-02-05
Subject: Re: CONSPIRATA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73390 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-05
Subject: NONAE FEBRUARIAE: Faunus rustica, Concordia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73391 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-05
Subject: Sacrum Iunonis Covellae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73392 From: tojackso Date: 2010-02-05
Subject: Next Kyklos Apollon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73393 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-05
Subject: Iuno and The Peacock
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73394 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2010-02-06
Subject: Reminder Ludi Apollinares, 2/6/2010, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73395 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-02-06
Subject: CALL FOR SOME CANDIDATES FOR COMITIA POPULI TRIBUTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73396 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-06
Subject: Re: CALL FOR SOME CANDIDATES FOR COMITIA POPULI TRIBUTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73397 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-07
Subject: Re: Next Kyklos Apollon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73398 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-07
Subject: Selene and Endymion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73399 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-07
Subject: a.d. VII Id. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73400 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-07
Subject: Re: Reminder Ludi Apollinares, 2/6/2010, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73401 From: marcus.lucretius Date: 2010-02-07
Subject: Re: Reminder Ludi Apollinares, 2/6/2010, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73402 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-08
Subject: a. d. VI Eidus Februarias: The use of februa in purification
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73403 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Re: Reminder Ludi Apollinares, 2/6/2010, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73404 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: a. d. V Eidus Februarias: Considerations on Februa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73405 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Re: Reminder Ludi Apollinares, 2/6/2010, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73406 From: Gaius Aurelius Vindex Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: INFO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73407 From: Gaius Aurelius Vindex Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Info
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73408 From: Gaius Aurelius Vindex Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Info
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73409 From: Gaius Aurelius Vindex Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: INFO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73410 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Apollo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73411 From: David Kling Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Re: Apollo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73412 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Re: Apollo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73413 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Re: Apollon - Copyright Laws
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73414 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Re: Apollon - Copyright Laws
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73415 From: Perusianus Date: 2010-02-10
Subject: "The Mother of All Forums: Civic Architecture in Rome under Trajan."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73416 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-10
Subject: a. d. IV Eidus Februariae: Ritual Purity: the issue of open sores
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73417 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-10
Subject: The only Roman Circus in Britain
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73419 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-10
Subject: Re: Apollon - Copyright Laws
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73420 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-10
Subject: Re: Apollon - Copyright Laws
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73421 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ... was: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Apollon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73422 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: AW: Praetor, Praetrix ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73423 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Praetor, praetrix, etc.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73424 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: Praetor, Praetrix ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73425 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: QUESTORES NEEDED: REMINDER: CALL FOR SOME CANDIDATES FOR COMITIA POP
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73426 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: a. d. III Eidus Februariae: FORNICALIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73427 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Explorator 12.42 February 7, 2010
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73428 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73429 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73430 From: fauxrari Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: QUESTORES NEEDED: REMINDER: CALL FOR SOME CANDIDATES FOR COMITIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73431 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Course about Roman architechture
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73432 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: Course about Roman architechture
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73433 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73434 From: C. Cocceius Spinula Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: (PT VERSION) QUESTORES PRECISAM-SE: LEMBRETE: CHAMADA PARA ALGUNS CA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73435 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73436 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73437 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: INFO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73439 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Re: Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73440 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Pridie Eidus Februariae: Pompeius marries Cornelia, Augustus and Liv
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73441 From: irina sergia Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Course
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73442 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73443 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73444 From: lynn r Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: new mini series
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73445 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Re: new mini series
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73446 From: T. Annaeus Regulus Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: CANDIDACY FOR QUAESTOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73447 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73448 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73449 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73450 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Reminder Ludi Apollinares, 2/13/2010, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73451 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: EIDIBUS FEBRUARIAE: Faunalia in insula; Virgo Vestalis Parentatio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73452 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73453 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73454 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73455 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Parentatio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73456 From: Robert Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73457 From: Robert Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73458 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: Parentatio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73459 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73460 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: Parentatio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73461 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73462 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73463 From: q_caecilius Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73464 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73465 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73466 From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Equality
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73467 From: Robert Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73468 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73469 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin behaviour.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73470 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73471 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73472 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73473 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73474 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73475 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: To those who celebrate love today :o)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73476 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73477 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Equality
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73478 From: mcorvvs Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Ides ritual performed by Sacerdos Iovis M.Octavius Corvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73479 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Equality
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73480 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Equality
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73481 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: a. d. XVI Kalendas Martias: Lovers' Tales
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73482 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: For Lovers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73483 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: For Lovers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73484 From: gaius_pompeius_marcellus Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Lupercalia Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73485 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Equality
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73486 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Equality
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73487 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: To all modern day Romans
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73488 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73489 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73490 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73491 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: URGENT - ONE DIRIBITOR AND FOUR QUESTORES NEEDED: REMINDER: CALL FOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73492 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: QUESTORES NEEDED: REMINDER: CALL FOR SOME CANDIDATES FOR COMITIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73493 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Time out!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73494 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73495 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73496 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73497 From: Robert Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73498 From: Robert Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73499 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73500 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73501 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73502 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73503 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73504 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Time out!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73505 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73506 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73507 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: a. d. XV Kalendas Martias: LUPERCALIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73508 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: CANDIDATE FOR DIRIBITOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73509 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Become A Real Nova Roman [was: R: [Nova-Roma] Parentatio]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73510 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Become A Real Nova Roman [was: R: [Nova-Roma] Parentatio]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73511 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73512 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73513 From: David Kling Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73514 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73516 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73517 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73518 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73519 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Parentatio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73520 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73521 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73522 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73523 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Become A Real Nova Roman [was: R: [Nova-Roma] Parentatio]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73524 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73525 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73526 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73527 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! wa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73528 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73529 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: WARM WELCOME back to C. LAENAS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73530 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73531 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73532 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73533 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73534 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Classic Poetry, Prose, Proems, Literature Excerpts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73535 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73536 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73537 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: WARM WELCOME back to C. LAENAS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73538 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73539 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73540 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73541 From: marcus.lucretius Date: 2010-02-16
Subject: Re: Latin behaviour.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73361 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-01
Subject: KALENDAE FEBRUARIAE: Juno Sospita; Juno Februa; Numa's Temple of Ves
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos salvas et servatas volunt.

Hodie est Kalendae Februariae; haec dies nefastus est: DIE QUINTI TE KALO, IUNO COVELLA: dies natalis aedes Vestae in Foro; Iunoni Sospitae Matri Regioni; natalis aedes Iovis Tonantis

"On the Kalends of February when Sirius begins to set, then arrives, with hail, Auster, and Eurinus winds." ~ Columella, De Re Rutica 9.2.5


Juno Februa

The month of February is sacred to Juno Februa, whose temple was located on the Esquiline Hill near the Temple of Juno Lucina. Februa is a Goddess of purification, and much of the month is devoted to purification rites in preparation for the coming of the New Year in March. In the religio Romana purification has mainly to do with fulfilling one's obligations to your ancestors. Thus we will see in the month of Februarius a parentalia performed for ancestors, and the Feralia that is conducted for other Manes, while festivals for Terminus and Fornicalia, ancient rites, have much to do with the ancerstral worship of Di parenti, and of course there are the very special purification rites of Lupercalia and Quirinalia that are thought by some to extend back to a period when Rome was still divided among the Latins on the Palatine Hill and Sabines on the Quirinal Hill.


Juno Sospita

"At the start of the month, they say, that Juno the Saviour (Sospita),
Neighbouring the Phrygian Mother, was honoured with new shrines.
If you ask where those temples, dedicated to the Goddess
On the Kalends, are now, they are fallen with the lapse of time."
~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2.55-58


AUC 556 / 197 BCE: Defeat of the Gallic tribes and vow of a Temple for Juno Sospita

"When they had raised the required force and completed all the necessary business, both sacred and secular, both the consuls left for Gaul. Cornelius took the direct road to the Insubres, who in conjunction with the Cenomani were in arms; Q. Minucius bent his course to the left side of Italy towards the Adriatic, and marching his army to Genua began operations in the direction of Liguria. Two fortified towns, Clastidium and Litubium, both belonging to the Ligurians, and two of their communities, the Celeiates and the Cerdiciates, surrendered. All the tribes on this side the Po were now reduced except the Boii in Gaul and the Ilvates in Liguria. It was stated that 15 fortified towns and 20,000 men surrendered.

"From there he led his legions into the country of the Boii, whose army had not long before crossed the Po. They had heard that the consuls intended to attack with their united legions, and in order that they too might consolidate their strength by union they had formed a junction with the Insubres and Cenomani. When a report reached them that one of the consuls was firing the fields of the Boii, a sharp difference of opinion arose; the Boii demanded that all should render assistance to those who were hard pressed, the Insubres declared that they would not leave their own country defenceless. Their forces were accordingly divided; the Boii went off to protect their country, the Insubres and Cenomani took up a position on the bank of the Mincius. On the same river, two miles lower down, Cornelius fixed his camp. From there he sent to make enquiries in Brixia, their capital. and in their villages, and from what he learnt he was quite satisfied that it was not with the sanction of their elders that the younger men had taken up arms, nor had the national council authorised any assistance being given to the revolted Insubrians. On learning this he invited their chiefs to a conference and tried to induce them to break with the Insubres and either return home or go over to the Romans. He was unable to gain their consent to the latter proposal, but they gave him assurances that they would take no part in the fighting, unless occasion should arise, in which case they would assist the Romans. The Insubres were kept in ignorance of this compact, but they felt somewhat suspicious as to the intentions of their allies, and in forming their line they did not venture to entrust them with a position on either wing lest they should abandon their ground through treachery and involve the whole army in disaster. They were accordingly stationed in the rear as a reserve. At the outset of the battle the consul vowed a temple to Juno Sospita in case the enemy were routed that day, and the shouts of the soldiers assured their commander that they would enable him to fulfil his vow. Then they charged, and the Insubres did not stand against the first shock. Some authors say that the Cenomani attacked them from behind while the battle was going on and that the twofold attack threw them into complete disorder, 35,000 men being killed and 5200 made prisoners, including the Carthaginian general Hamilcar, the prime instigator of the war. 130 standards were taken and numerous wagons. Those of the Gauls who had followed the Insubres in their revolt surrendered to the Romans." ~ Titus Livius 32.29;30


AUC 663 /90 CE: Caecilia Metella and the Temple of Juno Sospita

During the time of the Marsian War, Caecilia Metella, daughter of Quintus, dreamt that since the women of Rome had taken to using the Temple of Juno Sospita as a public lavatory, and because a bitch had whelped her pups at the foot of Her statue, the Goddess had abandoned the temple, and also planned to leave Rome, prophesizing a series of disasters, all of which came true. Caecilia asked Juno Sospita to stay. She cleansed the temple and restored it, inviting the Goddess to remain, and thereby saved Rome. ~ M. Tullius Cicero, De Divinatione 1.99


Juno Sospita, the Savior, was the main deity of Lanuvium. She is generally depicted armed with a shield and spear, Her long gown covered by a goat skin that is drawn up so as its horns appear on Her head. In 338 BCE Lanuvium was one of the Latin cities defeated by Rome, but in surrendering its people were granted Roman citizenship and their temples restored to them, meaning, too, that these became Roman temples under authority of Roman pontifes (Livy 8.14). The Temple of Juno Sospita at Lanuvium is mentioned in various instances by Livy, drawing upon the Libri Pontifici, where the decemviri sacris faciudis, on the advice of the Sibylline Oracles, recommended sacrifices be offered to Her during the war with Hannibal (Livy 21.62; 22.1; 24.10; 29.14). After 197 BCE She was given a temple residence in Rome itself, just as the junones of other Goddesses had been brought to Rome from Veii, Carthage, and elsewhere, and Her temple Lanuvium is not heard of again. Ovid says that a temple for Her once stood near the Temple of Magna Mater, which was on the Palatine, but that in his day no such temple for Juno, or else Diana, stood there. There was, however, a Temple of Juno Sospita in the Forum Holitorium. Perhaps he meant it was the temple of Magna Mater adjoining Hers. Magna Mater who had a temple next to that of Juno Sospita in the Forum Holitorium after She, ave tii oeribn, s her g arrived, Kuvuus tells how Her barge become low in the water, eve beached on embankment. Like the Vestal Virgins at Rome and Lavinium, at Lanuvium Juno Seispita Mater Regina was served by maidens. Into Her sacred grove at Lanuvium at several times in a year, the virgins Junoni brought Her barley cakes while they remained blindfolded. If these were accepted and eaten by serpents that lived in Her sacred grove, it was interpreted as a sign of the maidens being virgins and the land fertile, both signs of abundance for the coming year (J. G. Frazer, Publii Ovidii Nasonis Fastorum Libri, 1929; Vol. 1, pp.296-297).


AUC 40 / 713 BCE: Dedication of the Temple of Vesta in the Forum

On this day too the grove of Alernus is crowded,
Near where Tiber, from afar, meets the ocean waves.
At Numa's sanctuary, and the Thunderer's on the Capitol,
And on the summit of Jove's citadel, a sheep is sacrificed.
~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2.67-70

Alernus was an ancient and obscure river god whose sacred grove was near where the Tiber emptied into the sea. In his grove dwelt the nymph Cranae, whom Ovid confused with Carna and Cardea (Ovid, Fasti 6.105-106. Numa's sanctuary refers to the Temple of Vesta.

"Furthermore it is said that Numa built the Temple of Vesta, where the perpetual fire was kept, of a circular form, not in imitation of the shape of the earth, believing Vesta to be the earth, but of the entire universe, at the centre of which the Pythagoreans place the element of fire and call it Vesta and Monad. And they hold that the earth is neither motionless nor situated in the centre of surrounding space, but that it revolves in a circle about the central fire, not being one of the most important, nor even one of the primary elements of the universe. This is the conception, we are told, which Plato also, in his old age, had of the earth, namely that it is established in a secondary space, and that the central and sovereign space is reserved for some other and nobler body." ~ Plutarch, Life of Numa 11.1-2

"[Numa] also chose virgin priestesses for Vesta. This priesthood originated at Alba and was not therefor alien to the founder of Rome. So that these priestesses should be able to devote their whole time to temple service, he provided them with an income from public funds; he conferred a special sanctity on them by ritual obligations, including the keeping of their virginity." ~ Titus Livius 1.20.3

"At first, they say, Numa consecrated Gegania and Verania, followed by Canuleia and Tarpeia. Later Servius added two more, making the number six that has been maintained up to our present time.It was ordained by the king that the sacred virgins should vow themselves to chastity for thirty years; during the first decadethey are to learn their duties, during the second to perform the duties they have learned, and during the third to teach their duties to others. Then the thirty years being now passed, any one who wishes has liberty to marry and adopt a different mode of life, after laying down her sacred office. We are told however that few have welcomed the indulgence, and that those who did so were not happy, but were a prey to repentance and dejection for the rest of their lives, thereby inspiring the rest with religious fear, so that until old age and death they remained steadfast in their virginity. Numa gave them great honors, among which was the right to make a will during the lifetime of their father and to deal with their other affairs without the need for a guardian, like mothers of three children. When they appear in public, the fasces are carried before them, and if they accidentally meet a criminal on his way to execution, his life is spared; but the virgin must make oath that the meeting was involuntary and fortuitous, and not by design. He who passes under the litter on which they are borne, is put to death." ~ Plutarch, Life of Numa 10.1-4


"Thunderous Jupiter Tonans, I pray that finally You may spare me" (Valerius Flaccus Argonautica 4.474-5).

Finally, then, Ovid refers to the Temple for Jupiter Tonans that was dedicated on the Capitoline Hill by Augustus after he was narrowly missed by a lightning bolt while campaigning in Hispania. On the Capitoline Hill, too, Ovid says that a sheep was sacrificed referring to the Kalends of each month, but it is not a sacrifice to Jupiter Tonans to which he refers.

On the Kalends of each month a sheep was sacrificed to Juno by a Pontifex Minor at the Curia Calabra (Macrobius, Saturnalia 1.15.18). Then the Pontifices announced the day on which the Nones would fall, always eight days before the Ides. Thus it would either be called out, "die quint te kalo, Iuno Covells" or else, "Septimi die te kalo, Iuno Covella" to mark the Nones falling on the fifth or the seventh day of the month (Varro, Linga Latina 6.27).


Our thought for today is from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 71:

"Question each of your desires: 'What will happen to me if that which this desire seeks is achieved, and what if it is not?"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73362 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-02
Subject: a. d. IV Nones Februarias: Februa, dies ater.
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos inculumes custodiant

Hodie est ante diem IIII Nonas Februarias; haec dies fastus aterque est: sacra Junonis Februae

The month of February is devoted to purification in preparation for the New Year that begins in March. Much of the focus of ancient religion concerned anxiety over pollution and how to purify one who was ritually impure. Purification in the religio Romana is performed using "februa" - such things as water, fire, laurel, pine, vervain, spelt, sulfur, wool, and the hides of sacrificial animals - in purification rituals. That is, use of any februa is always attended with prayer and sacrifice.

An ancient law of Numa Pompilius said, "Let no paelex touch the altar of Juno (or, enter the temple of Juno); if she touches it, let her, with her hair unbound, offer up a female lamb to Juno (Fest. P. 222)."

Again, "If a boy should strike his parent, and afterward he then wailed in sorrow for his misdeed, let the boy offer sacrifices to his divine ancestors (Fest. F. 230)." Or, "If a daughter-in-law, let her perform the sacrifices for the divine women among [her husband's] honored ancestors (Fest. F. 230)."

In the three above examples, a person was made ritually impure by his or her actions, and was then required to perform a sacrifice as a means of purification. Shedding blood would always make a person impure. Even soldiers, returning from campaigns, had to perform purification before re-entering the City pomoerium lest they pollute the sacred precincts. Manslaughter, inadvertantly causing the death of another, was thus a religious offense as well as a civil crime. "In the laws of Numa is a caution, that if one imprudently kills another man, for the life he has taken may he offer public sacrifice of a ram (Serv. in Verg. ecl., 4, 43)." Thus, purification in the religio Romana always involves a sacrifice.

To begin the month of purification, one begins by offering a sacrifice to Juno Februa. On the Kalends Romans would place roasted spelt and salt on their doorsills, outside the door, along with offerings of milk, honey, and water, perhaps a lighted lamp. This would be coupled by washing down the front door with water, and "wiping" it with februa, as well as, on the houses of flamines and other sacerdotes, by hanging a wreath of laurel. This ritual honored the Juno of the minor goddess who guarded the door of the house from all evils, whether disease, false rumors, or the jealousy of neighbors from entering the family home. Think of the home as the temple of the family. One starts the month of purification outside the house, at the front door representing the boundary as a whole, and then would proceed over the weeks ahead to clean and purify the rest of the home.


DIES ATER

"Why do they reckon the day that follows the Kalends, the Nones, or the Ides as unsuitable for leaving home or travel?

"Is it, as most authorities think and as Livy records, that on the day after the Ides of Quintilis, which they now call Julius, the military tribunes led out the army, and were vanquished in battle by the Gauls at the river Allia and lost the City? (18 July 390 BCE.) But when the day after the Ides had come to be regarded as ill-omened, did superstition, as is its wont, extend the custom further, and involve in the same circumspection the day after the Nones and the day after the Kalends as well?

"Or does this refer to many my irrational assumptions? For it was on a different day that they were defeated in battle, a day which they call dies Alliensis from the river, and makes a dread day of expiation; and although they have many ill-omened days, they do not observe them under the same names in each month, but each in the month in which it occurs; and it is thus quite incredible that the superstition should have attached itself simply to all days that follow immediately after the Nones or the Kalends.

"Consider the following analogy. Just as they have dedicated the first month to the Gods of Olympus, and the second, in which they perform certain rites of purification and sacrifice to the departed, to the gods of the lower world, so also in regard to the days of the month they have establish three as festive and holy (Kalends, Nonse, and Idus), as I have stated, which are, as it were, fundamental and sovereign days, but the days which follow immediately they have dedicated to the spirits and the dead, and have come to regard them as ill-omened and unsuitable for business. In fact, the Greeks worship the Gods on the day of the New Moon (like the Kalends); the next day they have duly assigned to the heroes and spirits, and the second bowl of wine is mixed in honor of the heroes and heroines. And speaking generally, time is a sort of number; and the beginning number is divine, for it is the Monad. But after it is the dyad, antagonistic to the beginning number, and the first of the even numbers. The even numbers are imperfect, incomplete, and indeterminate, just as the odd numbers are determinate, completing, and perfect. Wherefore in like manner, the Nones succeed the Kalends as an interval of five days and the Ides succeed the Nones at an interval of nine days. For the odd numbers define the beginnings, but the even numbers, since they occur after the beginnings, have no position nor power; therefore on these days they do not begin any business and travel." ~ Plutarch, Roman Question 25

"Verrius Flaccus, in the fourth book of his work De Verborum Significatu writes that the days immediately following the Kalends, Nones, and Ides, which the vulgar ignorantly declare to be nefastus, are properly called and considered ill-omened for this reason: When the City, he says, had been recovered from the Senonian Gauls, Lucius Atilius stated in the Senate that Quintus Sulpicius, tribune of the soldiers, when on the eve of fighting against the Gauls at the Allia, offered sacrifice in anticipation of the battle on the day after the Ides; that the army of the Roman people was thereupon cut to pieces, and three days later the whole City, except the Capital, was taken. Also many other senators said that they remembered that whenever with a view to waging war a magistrate of the Roman people had sacrificed on the day after the Kalends, Nones, or Ides, in the very next battle of the war the State had suffered a disaster. Then the Senate referred the matter to the pontifices, that they might take what action they saw fit. The pontifices decreed that no sacrifice would properly be made on those days." ~ Gellius, Noctium Atticarum 5.17.1-2


AUC 696 / 57 BCE: Clodius impeaches Milo for employing gladiators

"On the 2nd of February Milo appeared for trial. Pompey came to support him. Marcellus spoke on being called upon by me. We came off with flying colours. The case was adjourned to the 7th." ~ M Tullius Cicero, Epistulum ad Quintum 2.3

Clodius was running for the office of Aedilis. One of his opponents was Marcellus, who helped defend Milo in this case. Clodius' objective was really to lend some embarrassment to Cicero, Pompey, and Milo, as the case he presented against Milo had little merit.While he was able to rouse the crowds to his favor, he apparently got the worst of it in the trial.

"After this Clodius attained the aedileship in the year of Philippus and Marcellinus; for, being anxious to avoid the lawsuit, he had got himself elected by a political combination. He immediately instituted proceedings against Milo for providing himself with gladiators, actually charging him with the very thing he was doing himself and for which he was likely to be brought to trial. He did this, not in the expectation of convicting Milo, inasmuch as the latter had many strong champions, among them Cicero and Pompey, but in order that under this pretext he might not only carry on a campaign against Milo but also insult his backers. For example, the following was one of his devices. He had instructed his clique that whenever he should ask them in assemblies: 'Who was it that did or said so-and so?' they should all cry out: 'Pompey!' Then on several occasions he would suddenly ask about everything that could be taken amiss in Pompey, either in the way of physical peculiarities or any other respect, touching upon such topics individually, one at a time, as if he were not speaking of him particularly. Thereupon, as usually happens in such cases, some would start up and others would join in with them, crying 'Pompey!' and there was much jeering. Now Pompey could not control himself and keep quiet, nor would he stoop to a trick like that of Clodius, and so he grew exceedingly angry, yet could not stir; thus nominally Milo was the defendant, but in reality Pompey was being convicted without even offering a defence. For Clodius, in order to embarrass him the more, would not allow the lex curiata to be introduced; and until that was enacted no other serious business could be transacted in the state or any suit instituted.

"For a season, then, Milo served as an excuse for their taunts and assassinations. But about this time some portents occurred: on the Alban Mount a small temple of Juno, set on a kind of table facing the east, was turned around toward the north; a blaze of light darted from the south across to the north; a wolf entered the city; an earthquake occurred; some of the citizens were killed by thunderbolts; in the Latin territory a subterranean tumult was heard; and the soothsayers, being anxious to find a remedy, said that some divinity was angry with them because some temples or consecrated sites were being used for residence. Then Clodius substituted Cicero for Milo and not only attacked him vigorously in a speech because the site of the house he had built upon was dedicated to Liberty, but even went to it once, with the intention of razing it to the ground; but he did not do so, as he was prevented by Milo. Cicero, however, was as angry with him as if he had actually accomplished his purpose, and kept making accusations. Finally, taking with him Milo and some tribunes, he ascended the Capitol and took down the tablets set up by Clodius to commemorate his exile. This time Clodius came up with his brother Gaius, a praetor, and took them away from him, but later he watched for a time when Clodius was out of town, and going up to the Capitol again, took them and carried them home. After this occurrence no quarter was shown on either side, but they abused and slandered each other as much as they could, without refraining from the basest means. The one declared that the tribuneship of Clodius had been contrary to the laws and that therefore his official acts were invalid, and the other that Cicero's exile had been justly decreed and his return unlawfully voted." ~ Dio Cassius 39.18-21


Our thought for today comes from the Discourses of Epictetus 3.10.2:

Let sleep not come upon thy languid eyes
Before each daily action thou hast scann'd;
What's done amiss, what done, what left undone;
From first to last examine all, and then
Blame what is wrong, in what is right rejoice.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73363 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2010-02-02
Subject: Witness Statement of New Sacerdotes
Salvete Quirites


I, Marcus Arminius Maior, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness the appointments of
Marcus Lucretius Agricola as Augur publicus,
Lucia Iulia Aquila as Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis,
Gaia Aurelia Ibera as Sacerdos Vestalis and
Sibylla Ambrosia Fulvia as Sacerdos Mithrae of Nova Roma.
As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.


Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior
Lictor Curiatus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73364 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-02
Subject: Kynee Cap if Invisibility was Re: Calling All Time Travelers!
Iulia Petronio sal,

"petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

> Harry Potter's cloak of invisibility. This cloak is Welsh it is more Roman, amica, to wear the helmet of Hades to become invisible. :o)
>
> With this helmet Perseus can approach the terrible Medusa. In English according to Wikipaedia you call it: Cap of Hades, Helm of Hades, cap of invisibility or Helm of darkness... its name is Kynee.

Ah yes I see! But then if I donned the aidos kynee I would get "hat hair" or in this case "helmet hair" and i do not wish to flatten my golden tresses! *laughs*

Funny you should bring that up - a few days ago i took some photos of Athena's shield at the Parthenon and revisited the Perseus Medusa story for a future project:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/l_j_a/sets/72157622422077289/


Tibi gratias, amice, valeque,

Julia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius L. Iuliae s.p.d.,
>
> > My vivid imagination is overloaded with an image of both of you in burqas donning beards wearing Klingon cloaks that reverse to Harry Potter's cloak of invisibility...
>
> Harry Potter's cloak of invisibility. This cloak is Welsh it is more Roman, amica, to wear the helmet of Hades to become invisible. :o)
>
> With this helmet Perseus can approach the terrible Medusa. In English according to Wikipaedia you call it: Cap of Hades, Helm of Hades, cap of invisibility or Helm of darkness... its name is Kynee.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. III Kal. Feb. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73365 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-02
Subject: Felices natalis Corve! Re: a. d. III Kalendas Februarias: Ara Pacis
Salve amice!

Felices natalis!

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
> M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos inculumes custodiant
>
> Hodie est ante diem III Kalendas Februarias; haec dies nefastus est: feriae ex consulto senatus quod eo die ara Pacis Augustae dedicata; Delphinus incipit occidere, item Fidicula occidere, significat.
>
> Felices natalis Marce Corve ! Di tibi dent quaecumque optes.
> Today is the birthday of Tribunus Plebis Marcus Octavius Corvis, Sacerdos Iovis. We wish him well and the Gods may grant his desires.
>
>
> ARA PACIS AUGUSTAE
>
> Come, Peace, your graceful tresses wreathed
> With laurel of Actium: stay gently in this world.
> While we lack enemies, or cause for triumphs:
> You'll be a greater glory to our leaders than war.
> May the soldier be armed to defend against arms,
> And the trumpet blare only for processions.
> May the world far and near fear the sons of Aeneas,
> And let any land that feared Rome too little, love her.
> Priests, add incense to the peaceful flames,
> Let a shining sacrifice fall, brow wet with wine,
> And ask the Gods who favour pious prayer
> That the house that brings peace, may so endure.
> ~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.711-722
>
>
> AUC 744 / 9 BCE: Dedication of the Ara Pacis Augustae
>
> "When I returned from Spain and Gaul, in the consulship of Tiberius Nero and Publius Quintilius [13 BCE], after successful operations in those provinces, the Senate voted in honor of my return the consecration of an altar to Pax Augusta in the Campus Martius, and on this altar it ordered the magistrates and priests and Vestal virgins to make annual sacrifice. Janus Quirinus, which our ancestors ordered to be closed whenever there was peace, secured by victory, throughout the whole domain of the Roman people on land and sea, and which, before my birth is recorded to have been closed but twice in all since the foundation of the city, the senate ordered to be closed thrice while I was princeps." ~ Augustus, Res Gestae Divi Augusti 12.2-13
>
> Commissioned by the Senate on 4 July 13 to honor Augustus upon his triumphal return from Gaul and Hispania, the Ara Pacis Augustae was dedicated nearly three and a half years later, celebrating the peace that Augustus had brought to the Empire through his many victories. The iconography of the altar and its surrounding enclosure depict the Pax Augusta as a result of the Pax Deorum attained by the Augustan Restoration of the religio Romana. The altar sits is atop a platform of eight steps. The altar itself is decorated with a band of friezes around the top that depicts a procession of sacrificial animals led by poppae and victimarii. Panels on the lower section are thought to have depicted a scene from a sacrifice, with another panel depicting the veiled Vestales Virgines. The inner portion of the enclosing wall has reliefs of bucraniae, wreathes, and paterae. The panels on the outside of the enclosing wall link the Augustan regime in the Pax Deorum in two ways. First in myth, on the front right panel, Aeneas finding a white sow is taken from Virgil's description in the Aeneid, thematically linking Augustus as the new founder of the religio Romana. On the front left panel, Mars and Faustulus flank the lupercal where Romulus and Remus are seen being suckled by a she-wolf. This scene was possibly intended to suggest Augustus as the new Founder of Rome. The rear left panel shows Tellus or Ceres or Pax, flanked by two Nymphae. Romulus and Remus sit on Her lap; thematically connecting Her with Livia, as Iulia Augusta, and mother of Tiberius and Drusus. Another panel on the right rear shows a female warrior, probably intended to depict Roma or Victoria Augusta, or Pax, sitting on a pile of captured enemy arms to represent the peace won through the victories of Augustus.
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> On the long sides of the enclosing wall are panels of the imperial family, magistrates, and priests seen in a procession towards the western entrance to the altar. Augustus leads the procession on the south side. He is accompanied by his camillus and lictores, followed by flamines in their distinctive apexes. Next comes Agrippa capite velite accompanied by his son Gaius. Livia comes next, followed by Antonia Minor and her husband Drusus with their children. Nero Claudius Drusus is seen in a military uniform. He was consul and died that same year as the altar was dedicated. Next is Antonia Maior with her huband and children. The northern procession has pontifices, quindecemviri sacris faciundis, and the semptemviri epulones along with their assistants and other children of the imperial family. Much of the image of Augustan is now missing. In the original design he can be seen at the apex of priests and civil administrators. He leads the procession as both Pontifex Maximus and Imperator, with his lictors and the flamines maiores behind him, and as head of a dynasty posed by his several grandchildren on the panels. The entire scheme of the decoration is then to show Augustus as the one person who connects the fortunes of the Empire to the interests of the immortal Gods and how the Pax Deorum is dependent upon him offering sacrifice in fide to the Gods in the same manner as the legendary founders of Alba Longa and Rome.
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> Museo dell'Ara Pacis http://en.arapacis.it/
> Best photos of the Ara Pacis at Bluffton University:
> http://wings.buffalo.edu/AandL/Maecenas/rome/ara_pacis/section_contents.html
> Article and photos at Bluffton University:
> http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/italy/rome/arapacis/arapacis.html
>
>
> AUC 886 / 133 CE: Birth of Emperor M. Didius Salvius Julianus Severus
>
> "Meanwhile Didius Julianus, at once an insatiate money-getter and a wanton spendthrift, who was always eager for revolution and hence had been exiled by Commodus to his native city of Mediolanum, now, when he heard of the death of Pertinax, hastily made his way to the camp, and, standing at the gates of the enclosure, made bids to the soldiers for the rule over the Romans. Then ensued a most disgraceful business and one unworthy of Rome." ~ Cassius Dio 74.11.2
>
> In 193 CE the Praetorian Guard became upset with Emperor Pertinax for his strict military discipline and his economical rule after the excesses of Commodus. Failing to give the Praetorians an extra bonus, they murdered Pertinax (28 Mar.) and promised the throne to the highest bidder. This was Didius Julianus. The legions of Syria, Panonnia, and Britannia declared their own commanders emperors. All began to march against Didius in April or May, L. Septimus Severus from Panonnia arriving first to put an end to Didius on 1 June.
>
>
> Today's thought is from Cicero, De Officiis 2.2
>
> "What, in the name of heaven, is more to be desired than wisdom? What is more to be prized? What is better for a man, what more worthy of his nature? Those who seek after it are called philosophers; and philosophy is nothing else, if one will translate the word into our idiom, than "the love of wisdom." Wisdom, morever, as the word has been defined by the philosophers of old, is "the knowledge of things human and divine and of the causes by which those things are controlled."
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73366 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2010-02-02
Subject: Re: Felices natalis Corve! Re: a. d. III Kalendas Februarias: Ara Pa
SALVE!
 
Happy birthday, Corve!
 
VALE,
Sabinus





"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, luciaiuliaaquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote:


From: luciaiuliaaquila <dis_pensible@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Felices natalis Corve! Re: a. d. III Kalendas Februarias: Ara Pacis Augustae
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 2:55 AM


 



Salve amice!

Felices natalis!

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@. ..> wrote:
>
> M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos inculumes custodiant
>
> Hodie est ante diem III Kalendas Februarias; haec dies nefastus est: feriae ex consulto senatus quod eo die ara Pacis Augustae dedicata; Delphinus incipit occidere, item Fidicula occidere, significat.
>
> Felices natalis Marce Corve ! Di tibi dent quaecumque optes.
> Today is the birthday of Tribunus Plebis Marcus Octavius Corvis, Sacerdos Iovis. We wish him well and the Gods may grant his desires.
>
>
> ARA PACIS AUGUSTAE
>
> Come, Peace, your graceful tresses wreathed
> With laurel of Actium: stay gently in this world.
> While we lack enemies, or cause for triumphs:
> You'll be a greater glory to our leaders than war.
> May the soldier be armed to defend against arms,
> And the trumpet blare only for processions.
> May the world far and near fear the sons of Aeneas,
> And let any land that feared Rome too little, love her.
> Priests, add incense to the peaceful flames,
> Let a shining sacrifice fall, brow wet with wine,
> And ask the Gods who favour pious prayer
> That the house that brings peace, may so endure.
> ~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.711-722
>
>
> AUC 744 / 9 BCE: Dedication of the Ara Pacis Augustae
>
> "When I returned from Spain and Gaul, in the consulship of Tiberius Nero and Publius Quintilius [13 BCE], after successful operations in those provinces, the Senate voted in honor of my return the consecration of an altar to Pax Augusta in the Campus Martius, and on this altar it ordered the magistrates and priests and Vestal virgins to make annual sacrifice. Janus Quirinus, which our ancestors ordered to be closed whenever there was peace, secured by victory, throughout the whole domain of the Roman people on land and sea, and which, before my birth is recorded to have been closed but twice in all since the foundation of the city, the senate ordered to be closed thrice while I was princeps." ~ Augustus, Res Gestae Divi Augusti 12.2-13
>
> Commissioned by the Senate on 4 July 13 to honor Augustus upon his triumphal return from Gaul and Hispania, the Ara Pacis Augustae was dedicated nearly three and a half years later, celebrating the peace that Augustus had brought to the Empire through his many victories. The iconography of the altar and its surrounding enclosure depict the Pax Augusta as a result of the Pax Deorum attained by the Augustan Restoration of the religio Romana. The altar sits is atop a platform of eight steps. The altar itself is decorated with a band of friezes around the top that depicts a procession of sacrificial animals led by poppae and victimarii. Panels on the lower section are thought to have depicted a scene from a sacrifice, with another panel depicting the veiled Vestales Virgines. The inner portion of the enclosing wall has reliefs of bucraniae, wreathes, and paterae. The panels on the outside of the enclosing wall link the Augustan regime in the Pax Deorum in
two ways. First in myth, on the front right panel, Aeneas finding a white sow is taken from Virgil's description in the Aeneid, thematically linking Augustus as the new founder of the religio Romana. On the front left panel, Mars and Faustulus flank the lupercal where Romulus and Remus are seen being suckled by a she-wolf. This scene was possibly intended to suggest Augustus as the new Founder of Rome. The rear left panel shows Tellus or Ceres or Pax, flanked by two Nymphae. Romulus and Remus sit on Her lap; thematically connecting Her with Livia, as Iulia Augusta, and mother of Tiberius and Drusus. Another panel on the right rear shows a female warrior, probably intended to depict Roma or Victoria Augusta, or Pax, sitting on a pile of captured enemy arms to represent the peace won through the victories of Augustus.
>
> On the long sides of the enclosing wall are panels of the imperial family, magistrates, and priests seen in a procession towards the western entrance to the altar. Augustus leads the procession on the south side. He is accompanied by his camillus and lictores, followed by flamines in their distinctive apexes. Next comes Agrippa capite velite accompanied by his son Gaius. Livia comes next, followed by Antonia Minor and her husband Drusus with their children. Nero Claudius Drusus is seen in a military uniform. He was consul and died that same year as the altar was dedicated. Next is Antonia Maior with her huband and children. The northern procession has pontifices, quindecemviri sacris faciundis, and the semptemviri epulones along with their assistants and other children of the imperial family. Much of the image of Augustan is now missing. In the original design he can be seen at the apex of priests and civil administrators. He leads the procession as
both Pontifex Maximus and Imperator, with his lictors and the flamines maiores behind him, and as head of a dynasty posed by his several grandchildren on the panels. The entire scheme of the decoration is then to show Augustus as the one person who connects the fortunes of the Empire to the interests of the immortal Gods and how the Pax Deorum is dependent upon him offering sacrifice in fide to the Gods in the same manner as the legendary founders of Alba Longa and Rome.
>
> Museo dell'Ara Pacis http://en.arapacis. it/
> Best photos of the Ara Pacis at Bluffton University:
> http://wings. buffalo.edu/ AandL/Maecenas/ rome/ara_ pacis/section_ contents. html
> Article and photos at Bluffton University:
> http://www.bluffton .edu/~sullivanm/ italy/rome/ arapacis/ arapacis. html
>
>
> AUC 886 / 133 CE: Birth of Emperor M. Didius Salvius Julianus Severus
>
> "Meanwhile Didius Julianus, at once an insatiate money-getter and a wanton spendthrift, who was always eager for revolution and hence had been exiled by Commodus to his native city of Mediolanum, now, when he heard of the death of Pertinax, hastily made his way to the camp, and, standing at the gates of the enclosure, made bids to the soldiers for the rule over the Romans. Then ensued a most disgraceful business and one unworthy of Rome." ~ Cassius Dio 74.11.2
>
> In 193 CE the Praetorian Guard became upset with Emperor Pertinax for his strict military discipline and his economical rule after the excesses of Commodus. Failing to give the Praetorians an extra bonus, they murdered Pertinax (28 Mar.) and promised the throne to the highest bidder. This was Didius Julianus. The legions of Syria, Panonnia, and Britannia declared their own commanders emperors. All began to march against Didius in April or May, L. Septimus Severus from Panonnia arriving first to put an end to Didius on 1 June.
>
>
> Today's thought is from Cicero, De Officiis 2.2
>
> "What, in the name of heaven, is more to be desired than wisdom? What is more to be prized? What is better for a man, what more worthy of his nature? Those who seek after it are called philosophers; and philosophy is nothing else, if one will translate the word into our idiom, than "the love of wisdom." Wisdom, morever, as the word has been defined by the philosophers of old, is "the knowledge of things human and divine and of the causes by which those things are controlled."
>











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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73367 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-02
Subject: Felices natalis Corve! Re: a. d. III Kalendas Februarias: Ara Pacis
Felicem Natalis Corve!
and may Sol be shining on you in Sarmatia this day:)
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve amice!
>
> Felices natalis!
>
> Vale,
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> >
> > M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos inculumes custodiant
> >
> > Hodie est ante diem III Kalendas Februarias; haec dies nefastus est: feriae ex consulto senatus quod eo die ara Pacis Augustae dedicata; Delphinus incipit occidere, item Fidicula occidere, significat.
> >
> > Felices natalis Marce Corve ! Di tibi dent quaecumque optes.
> > Today is the birthday of Tribunus Plebis Marcus Octavius Corvis, Sacerdos Iovis. We wish him well and the Gods may grant his desires.
> >
> >
> > ARA PACIS AUGUSTAE
> >
> > Come, Peace, your graceful tresses wreathed
> > With laurel of Actium: stay gently in this world.
> > While we lack enemies, or cause for triumphs:
> > You'll be a greater glory to our leaders than war.
> > May the soldier be armed to defend against arms,
> > And the trumpet blare only for processions.
> > May the world far and near fear the sons of Aeneas,
> > And let any land that feared Rome too little, love her.
> > Priests, add incense to the peaceful flames,
> > Let a shining sacrifice fall, brow wet with wine,
> > And ask the Gods who favour pious prayer
> > That the house that brings peace, may so endure.
> > ~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.711-722
> >
> >
> > AUC 744 / 9 BCE: Dedication of the Ara Pacis Augustae
> >
> > "When I returned from Spain and Gaul, in the consulship of Tiberius Nero and Publius Quintilius [13 BCE], after successful operations in those provinces, the Senate voted in honor of my return the consecration of an altar to Pax Augusta in the Campus Martius, and on this altar it ordered the magistrates and priests and Vestal virgins to make annual sacrifice. Janus Quirinus, which our ancestors ordered to be closed whenever there was peace, secured by victory, throughout the whole domain of the Roman people on land and sea, and which, before my birth is recorded to have been closed but twice in all since the foundation of the city, the senate ordered to be closed thrice while I was princeps." ~ Augustus, Res Gestae Divi Augusti 12.2-13
> >
> > Commissioned by the Senate on 4 July 13 to honor Augustus upon his triumphal return from Gaul and Hispania, the Ara Pacis Augustae was dedicated nearly three and a half years later, celebrating the peace that Augustus had brought to the Empire through his many victories. The iconography of the altar and its surrounding enclosure depict the Pax Augusta as a result of the Pax Deorum attained by the Augustan Restoration of the religio Romana. The altar sits is atop a platform of eight steps. The altar itself is decorated with a band of friezes around the top that depicts a procession of sacrificial animals led by poppae and victimarii. Panels on the lower section are thought to have depicted a scene from a sacrifice, with another panel depicting the veiled Vestales Virgines. The inner portion of the enclosing wall has reliefs of bucraniae, wreathes, and paterae. The panels on the outside of the enclosing wall link the Augustan regime in the Pax Deorum in two ways. First in myth, on the front right panel, Aeneas finding a white sow is taken from Virgil's description in the Aeneid, thematically linking Augustus as the new founder of the religio Romana. On the front left panel, Mars and Faustulus flank the lupercal where Romulus and Remus are seen being suckled by a she-wolf. This scene was possibly intended to suggest Augustus as the new Founder of Rome. The rear left panel shows Tellus or Ceres or Pax, flanked by two Nymphae. Romulus and Remus sit on Her lap; thematically connecting Her with Livia, as Iulia Augusta, and mother of Tiberius and Drusus. Another panel on the right rear shows a female warrior, probably intended to depict Roma or Victoria Augusta, or Pax, sitting on a pile of captured enemy arms to represent the peace won through the victories of Augustus.
> >
> > On the long sides of the enclosing wall are panels of the imperial family, magistrates, and priests seen in a procession towards the western entrance to the altar. Augustus leads the procession on the south side. He is accompanied by his camillus and lictores, followed by flamines in their distinctive apexes. Next comes Agrippa capite velite accompanied by his son Gaius. Livia comes next, followed by Antonia Minor and her husband Drusus with their children. Nero Claudius Drusus is seen in a military uniform. He was consul and died that same year as the altar was dedicated. Next is Antonia Maior with her huband and children. The northern procession has pontifices, quindecemviri sacris faciundis, and the semptemviri epulones along with their assistants and other children of the imperial family. Much of the image of Augustan is now missing. In the original design he can be seen at the apex of priests and civil administrators. He leads the procession as both Pontifex Maximus and Imperator, with his lictors and the flamines maiores behind him, and as head of a dynasty posed by his several grandchildren on the panels. The entire scheme of the decoration is then to show Augustus as the one person who connects the fortunes of the Empire to the interests of the immortal Gods and how the Pax Deorum is dependent upon him offering sacrifice in fide to the Gods in the same manner as the legendary founders of Alba Longa and Rome.
> >
> > Museo dell'Ara Pacis http://en.arapacis.it/
> > Best photos of the Ara Pacis at Bluffton University:
> > http://wings.buffalo.edu/AandL/Maecenas/rome/ara_pacis/section_contents.html
> > Article and photos at Bluffton University:
> > http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/italy/rome/arapacis/arapacis.html
> >
> >
> > AUC 886 / 133 CE: Birth of Emperor M. Didius Salvius Julianus Severus
> >
> > "Meanwhile Didius Julianus, at once an insatiate money-getter and a wanton spendthrift, who was always eager for revolution and hence had been exiled by Commodus to his native city of Mediolanum, now, when he heard of the death of Pertinax, hastily made his way to the camp, and, standing at the gates of the enclosure, made bids to the soldiers for the rule over the Romans. Then ensued a most disgraceful business and one unworthy of Rome." ~ Cassius Dio 74.11.2
> >
> > In 193 CE the Praetorian Guard became upset with Emperor Pertinax for his strict military discipline and his economical rule after the excesses of Commodus. Failing to give the Praetorians an extra bonus, they murdered Pertinax (28 Mar.) and promised the throne to the highest bidder. This was Didius Julianus. The legions of Syria, Panonnia, and Britannia declared their own commanders emperors. All began to march against Didius in April or May, L. Septimus Severus from Panonnia arriving first to put an end to Didius on 1 June.
> >
> >
> > Today's thought is from Cicero, De Officiis 2.2
> >
> > "What, in the name of heaven, is more to be desired than wisdom? What is more to be prized? What is better for a man, what more worthy of his nature? Those who seek after it are called philosophers; and philosophy is nothing else, if one will translate the word into our idiom, than "the love of wisdom." Wisdom, morever, as the word has been defined by the philosophers of old, is "the knowledge of things human and divine and of the causes by which those things are controlled."
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73368 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: NR anthem. was (Pagan Hymns?)
C. Petronius Scholasticae omnibusque s.p.d.,

> ATS2: Quid? Galli in Galliá Gallicé loqui nolunt?

Ita est, in FrancoGallia a Media Æva habuimus duas maximas linguae Latinae familias, prima quarum a septemtrione fluminis Liguris linguarum "oïl" dicta est, in quibus lingua quam Francorum reges et Lutetienses loquebantur, quae paulatim Francogallica hodierna lingua facta est, altera a meridie fluminis Liguris linguarum "occ" dicta est, e quibus poeta Federicus Mistral "Provincialem" finxit.

Sed in Gallia etiam habuimus linguas non Latinas et etiamnunc habemus. Gentes qui in Aremorica nunc vivunt, quae nunc "Bretagne" appellatur, Celtice loquuntur et cum Caledoniis, Ibernis et Gallis (Walles) qui sunt in Unito Regno colloqui possunt. In parte septemtrionali et orienti Galliarum gentes Germanice loquuntur, non plane Germanice, dii immortales! nam eorum lingua certe e familia Germanica est sed non est Germanica lingua qua trans Rhenum Germani loquuntur. Et prope Montes Pyreneos sunt qui Vasconice loquantur. Sed omnes hae gentes bilingues sunt, nam primum oportet se Francogallice loqui.

Vale quam optime.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
III Non. Feb. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73369 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: a. d. III Nonas Februarias: Purification
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Dum tempus habemus operemur bonum

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Februarias; haec dies nefastus est.

"When half of Leo and all of Canis have set, then Corus, or Septentrio, sometimes Favonius, begin to arrive." ~ Columella, De Re
Rustica 9.2.13

"During the latter days of this period, whenever the nature of the weather will allow it, the ground should be turned up with the double
mattock, for planting the rose and the vine – sixty men to a iugerum. Ditches, too, should be cleared out, or new ones made; and the time of day-break may be usefully employed in sharpening iron tools, fitting on handles, repairing such dolia wine vats as may have
been broken, and rubbing and cleaning their staves." ~ Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.64


Purification

"May they approach the Gods and Goddesses while pure and chaste, bringing piety, and leaving riches behind. Whosoever should do otherwise, will be avenged upon by the God Himself."

"That is, purity of mind, for everything is included by that. This does not remove the requirement of bodily purityÂ…for in the former case impurity is removed by the sprinkling of water or the passage of a certain number of days, but a mental stain can neither be blotted out by the passage of time nor washed away by any stream." ~ M. Tullius Cicero, De Legibus 2.8.19; 2.10.24-25

February is a month of preparation and of purification. March begins the new year. We are advised to use this month to prepare the tools needed to work farms, to prepare the soil when we can, as Columella and Pliny wrote above, and we are also advised to prepare our selves for a new year spent in service to the Gods. As we progress through this month we shall come upon different rites and festivals that are tied into a theme of purification. Of first importance, though, is purity of mind. Cicero, above, was speaking on his idealized state and on the religion that he thought would best serve his Republic. He openly acknowledged that in some ways he modeled his idealized religion on the religio Romana, stripped down, though, from what he considered politically dangerous. On this one point that purification must begin with a purity of mind, he echoed what was normally thought in the religions of the Mediterranean. A contemporary of Cicero's, a young poet and playwright who died in the year following Cicero's consulship, inspired such later poets as Horace as well as elderly statesmen like Julius Caesar and Cicero. Persius wrote:

"Rightly, what is proper and just to offer the Gods are holiness of mind and purity of heart in the deepest recesses of our being." ~ Aules Persius Flaccus, Satura 2.73-75

A little more than a hundred years later we find Pliny the Younger adding his comments. Today we know of him through his letters, one in which he described the events of Vesuvius destroying Pompeii, Herculaneum, and Stabia, and with the death of his uncle, Pliny the Elder. In his own time, he made his name as a trial lawyer, along with his friend Tacitus, in a famous case in North Africa, and later went on to become a Consul and Proconsul in Asia under the emperor Trajan. In his day it was typical to offer flowery praises. In one that he wrote we find the sentiment:

"The Gods rejoice more in the innocence of worshippers than in elaborate prayers; the man who enters their temples with a pure heart is more agreeable to them than one who recites a carefully prepared litany." ~ C. Plinius Caecilius Secundus, Panegyricus 3

These ideas on first attaining a pure and guiltless mind were not solely the expressions of a literary elite. They were ideas that were fostered by the temples. Every temple had its own lex templi that described what rites were permitted within their boundaries. These were written on walls and spoken aloud. Typical lex templi included rules of conduct, ethics, and moral prohibitions. This was true in the temple precincts of Rome and in other cities, in the religio Romana and in the religions of the Greeks and that of Egyptians. An example of these comes from a Greek temple at Philadelphia, dated to the first century BCE, with rules denoting what would make a person impure, rules that are probably familiar to everyone in one form or another:


"To observe the purification and cleansing rites, and offer the sacrifices in accordance with ancestral rites and as now practiced. Those who enter this house [i.e., temple], both men and women, both bound and free, are to take oath before all the gods that, conscious of no guile toward man or woman, they will not administer an evil drug to men, nor will they learn or practice wicked charms, nor give any philter, or any abortive or contraceptive drug, nor commit robbery or murder, either carrying it out themselves or advising another or acting as witness, nor overlook complacently those who rob [or withhold offerings] in this house; and if anyone shall do any of these things or advise them, they will not consent or pass over it in silence, but will bring it out into the open and see that the crime is punished.

"A man is not to take another woman in addition to his own wife, either a free woman or a slave who has a husband, nor is he to corrupt either a child [boy] or virgin, nor is he to counsel another to do so; but if he should witness anyone doing such, he must not hide it or keep silent. Woman and man, whoever does any of the things above written, let them not enter this house. For the gods who dwell here are mighty and watch over these things and will not hold back punishment from those who transgress their commandments. A free woman is to be pure and is not to know bed or intercourse with any man other than her own husband. If she does she shall not be pure, but is defiled and full of corruption within her family and is unworthy to worship this god for whom these rites were established, or to offer sacrifices, or to . . . [about 12 lines missing] to stumble upon or to see the mysteries observed above. If anyone does any of these things with which the commandments here copied have to do, terrible curses from the gods will come upon those who disregard them. For God does not by any means will that these things should come to pass, nor does he desire it, but to obey [i.e., God wants obedience, not to punish].

"To those who obey the Gods will be gracious and will always be giving them everything good, such as the Gods desire to give men They love. But if any transgress, They will hate such persons and lay upon them great penalties."


Our thought for day comes from the Vatican Sayings 5, by Epicurus:

"It is not possible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and honorably and justly, and it is not possible to live wisely and honorably and justly without living pleasantly. Whenever any one of these is lacking, when, for instance, the man is not able to live wisely, though he lives honorably and justly, it is impossible for him to live a pleasant life."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73370 From: aerdensrw Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Felices natalis Corve! Re: a. d. III Kalendas Februarias: Ara Pacis
P. Corva Gaudialis M. Octavie Corve sal.

From one raven to another, Happy Birthday! :)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
>
> Salve amice!
>
> Felices natalis!
>
> Vale,
>
> Julia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73371 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Arion and the Dolphin
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

"Trembling with fear, Arion said: 'I don't plead for life,
But let me take up my lyre and play a little.'
They granted it, laughing at the delay. He took the wreath
That might have graced your tresses, Phoebus:
Put on his robe, twice-stained with Tyrian purple:
And, plucked by his thumb, the strings gave out their music,
Such a melody as the swan's mournful measures,
When the cruel shaft has transfixed its brow.
At once, he plunged, fully clothed into the waves:
The water, leaping, splashed the sky-blue stern.
Then (beyond belief) they say a dolphin
Yielded its back to the unaccustomed weight.
Sitting there, Arion gripped the lyre, and paid his fare
In song, soothing the ocean waves with his singing.
The gods see good deeds: Jupiter took the dolphin
And ordered its constellation to contain nine stars."
- Ovid, Fasti II: 3 February

"Then was there heard a most celestial sound
Of dainty music which did next ensue,
And, on the floating waters as enthroned,
Arion with his harp unto him drew
The ears and hearts of all that goodly crew;
Even when as yet the dolphin which him bore
Through the Aegean Seas from pirates' view,
Stood still, by him astonished at his love,
And all the raging seas for joy forgot to roar." - Edmund Spenser

Arion was a musician from the court of King Periander of Corinth;
sources indicate that the two may have also been lovers. Against
Periander's wishes, Arion decided to enter a musical contest in
Sicily. He won, and was returning home by ship with his prize, when
the sailors on the ship decided that they could put his winnings to
better use than he could. Afraid of the wrath of Periander, however,
they were reluctant to actually kill him; instead, they ordered him to
jump off the ship in the middle of the ocean. His last request was to
play his lyre before he leaped to a watery grave, and the sailors
allowed it.

Arion's playing was the most beautiful music ever heard on earth, in
heaven, or under the earth; it was so beautiful that it drew a school
of dolphins to the side of the ship, and they leapt and played in the
ship's wake. Upon finishing, Arion threw himself overboard - only
to be picked up by a dolphin and carried, on its back, to safety. He
made it back to Corinth and Periander, the sailors' wickedness was
exposed (they were banished forever), and the dolphin was rewarded by
being placed among the celestial bodies by Iuppiter to mark its
kindness forever.

"Arion the Immortal" is also a character from DC Comics, but has
little or no relation to the Arion of the story, as far as I know.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73372 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
C. Dexter C. Catoni s.p.d.,

> they ordered him to jump off the ship in the middle of the ocean.

Dii immortales! What ocean flows between Sicily and Corinth? ;o)

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. III Non. Feb. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73373 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Cato P. Dextero sal.

I think it's supposed to be the Ionian :)

Vale!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Dexter C. Catoni s.p.d.,
>
> > they ordered him to jump off the ship in the middle of the ocean.
>
> Dii immortales! What ocean flows between Sicily and Corinth? ;o)
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. III Non. Feb. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73374 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Caeca Catoni sal, et salvete omnes,

Does Orien equate to Orpheus, or are they 2 separate people, both being the best musicians in the world, or in heaven, or in the underworld?

Vale et Valete bene,
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73375 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Cato P. Dextero sal.

Although Spenser says this:

"Then was there heard a most celestial sound
Of dainty music which did next ensue,
And, on the floating waters as enthroned,
Arion with his harp unto him drew
The ears and hearts of all that goodly crew;
Even when as yet the dolphin which him bore
Through the Aegean Seas from pirates' view,
Stood still, by him astonished at his lore,
And all the raging seas for joy forgot to roar."

and he was supposedly set ashore at the temple to Poseidon at Cape Tainaron, which sticks out of Greece at the bottom.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato P. Dextero sal.
>
> I think it's supposed to be the Ionian :)
>
> Vale!
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> > C. Dexter C. Catoni s.p.d.,
> >
> > > they ordered him to jump off the ship in the middle of the ocean.
> >
> > Dii immortales! What ocean flows between Sicily and Corinth? ;o)
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a.d. III Non. Feb. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73376 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Aeterniae Caecae sal,

I would say they were two seperate people, based upon the myth of Orpheus
and Eurydice alone distinguishes the two....But I'm not as mythology
afficionado as I once was, so clarification always appreciated :-)

Vale et Valete,
Aeternia

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:46 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caeca Catoni sal, et salvete omnes,
>
> Does Orien equate to Orpheus, or are they 2 separate people, both being the
> best musicians in the world, or in heaven, or in the underworld?
>
> Vale et Valete bene,
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73377 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Caeca Aeternae omnibusque sal,

I just wondered because both musicians were ...um ...the very absolute best,
in any world, apparently. Now, of course, they could have lived at
different times, but I couldn't help but think ...so how many "best"
musicians *were* there? (grin). Of course, this is a trifle ...the myth
itself is magnificent, and evokes several lines of thought ...and reawakens
my desire for a *really* good symbol dictionary, or access again to
Georgetown University library, or the Library of congress ...which I got on
my husband's coat tails, and lost several years ago at his death and my move
to Atlanta. Still, when I have time, ...

Vale et valete bene
Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73378 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Aeternae Caecae sal,

So you're wondering who were the famous musicians of that time period? Well
lets see there were The Muses of course followed by Orpheus son of a Muse,
closely followed by the Sirens (okay so they lured sailors to their deaths,
but they were known for their beautiful singing) I also remember back in
college, there was a story of a singer known as Lamia I believed hailed from
Athens. As far as I know in regards to the Roman side there aren't any
particular myths pertaining to musicians outside of the Muses etc.. (again
my studies lean more Greco-Roman) but I would not say that there wasn't a
possibility, especially during the Reign of Augustus where Ancient Rome was
at its most cultural peak, I'm sure divine music inspiration had its place.
It'll take some digging, but this now has my intrest. You know Orpheus
would make a great poetry subject now that I'm thinking about it..

Vale et Valete,
R. Cornelia Aeternia

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:45 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caeca Aeternae omnibusque sal,
>
> I just wondered because both musicians were ...um ...the very absolute
> best,
> in any world, apparently. Now, of course, they could have lived at
> different times, but I couldn't help but think ...so how many "best"
> musicians *were* there? (grin). Of course, this is a trifle ...the myth
> itself is magnificent, and evokes several lines of thought ...and reawakens
>
> my desire for a *really* good symbol dictionary, or access again to
> Georgetown University library, or the Library of congress ...which I got on
>
> my husband's coat tails, and lost several years ago at his death and my
> move
> to Atlanta. Still, when I have time, ...
>
> Vale et valete bene
> Caeca
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73379 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2010-02-03
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Did the ancient greeks mention Okeanos meaning the external waters that circles the borders of the world, or the entire waters, mediterranean sea included?

Anyway, Delphinus the Dolphin is a fine constellation, small but well-defined, beautiful to see.

Im trying to remember if there is a statue or fountain, in Rome or anywhere else, that depicts this specific myth.


M. Arminius


--- Em qua, 3/2/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> escreveu:
Cato P. Dextero sal.

I think it's supposed to be the Ionian :)

Vale!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@ ...> wrote:
>
> C. Dexter C. Catoni s.p.d.,
>
> > they ordered him to jump off the ship in the middle of the ocean.
>
> Dii immortales! What ocean flows between Sicily and Corinth? ;o)
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. III Non. Feb. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73381 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Cato Caecae sal.

Well, Herodotus says this:

"They relate that Arion of Methymna, who as a player on the harp, was ***second
to no man living at that time***, and who was, so far as we know, the first to
invent the dithyrambic measure, to give it its name, and to recite in it at
Corinth, was carried to Taenarum on the back of a dolphin. [my emphasis]" -
Histories 1.24

So he wouldn't be vying with Orpheus or anyone else that we know of at that
particular place and time.

Vale!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Caeca Aeternae omnibusque sal,
>
> I just wondered because both musicians were ...um ...the very absolute best,
> in any world, apparently. Now, of course, they could have lived at
> different times, but I couldn't help but think ...so how many "best"
> musicians *were* there? (grin). Of course, this is a trifle ...the myth
> itself is magnificent, and evokes several lines of thought ...and reawakens
> my desire for a *really* good symbol dictionary, or access again to
> Georgetown University library, or the Library of congress ...which I got on
> my husband's coat tails, and lost several years ago at his death and my move
> to Atlanta. Still, when I have time, ...
>
> Vale et valete bene
> Caeca
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73382 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: Re: Arion and the Dolphin
Cato Caecae sal.

Also, here's the story from the Fabulae of Hyginus (194):

"Since Arion of Methymna was very skillful in playing the lyre, King Pyranthus of Corinth was fond of him. When he had gained permission from the king to make known his art throughout the state and had acquired a great fortune, his servants, together with the sailors, plotted to kill him. Apollo appeared to him in a dream and bade him sing in his poet's garland crown, and surrender himself to those who would come to aid him. When the servants and sailors were about to kill him, he asked to be allowed to sing first. But when the sound of the lyre and his voice were heard, dolphins came about the ship, and at sight of them he threw himself into the sea. They raised him up and bore him to Corinth to King Pyranthus. When he reached land, being eager for his journey, he failed to push the dolphin into the sea and it perished there. After he had told his misfortunes to Pyranthus, the King ordered the dolphin to be buried, and monument raised to it. Shortly after, word came to Pyranthus that the ship in which Arion had sailed had been brought to Corinth by a storm. He ordered the crew to be led before him, and inquired about Arion, but they replied that he had died and that they had buried him. The King replied: 'Tomorrow you will swear to that at the Dolphin's Monument.' Because of this he ordered them to be kept under guard, and instructed Arion to hide in the monument of the dolphin the next morning, attired as he was when he threw himself into the sea. When the King had brought them there, and ordered them to swear by the departed spirit of the dolphin that Arion was dead, Arion came out of the monument. In amazement, wondering by what divinity he had been saved, they were silent. The King ordered them to be crucified at the monument of the dolphin, but Apollo, because of Arion's skill with the cithara, placed him and the dolphin among the stars."

and apparently the monument still existed at the time of Pausanius (Description of Greece 3.25.7):

"Among other offerings on Taenarum is a bronze statue of Arion the harper on a dolphin. Herodotus has told the story of Arion and the dolphin, as he heard it, in his history of Lydia. I have seen the dolphin at Poroselene that rewards the boy for saving his life. It had been damaged by fishermen and he cured it. I saw this dolphin obeying his call and carrying him whenever he wanted to ride on it."

Vale,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73383 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: Pridie Nonas Februarias: Funeral of Pertinax and the reign of Septim
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Ab alio exspectes alteri quod feceris

Hodie est die pristine Nonas Februarias; haec dies nefastus est:

FUNERAL OF EMPEROR PERTINAX

As a member of the Senate at the time, Dio Cassius participated in the funeral of Pertinax that was presented by Septimus Severus. He has left us this account of an emperor's funeral.

"Upon establishing himself in power he erected a shrine to Pertinax, and commanded that his name should be mentioned at the close of all prayers and all oaths; he also ordered that a golden image of Pertinax should be carried into the Circus on a car drawn by elephants, and that three gilded thrones should be borne into the other amphitheatres in his honour. His funeral, in spite of the time that had elapsed since his death, was carried out as follows. In the Roman Forum a wooden platform was constructed hard by the marble rostra, upon which was set a shrine, without walls, but surrounded by columns, cunningly wrought of both ivory and gold. In it there was placed a bier of the same materials, surrounded by heads of both land and sea animals and adorned with coverlets of purple and gold. Upon this rested an effigy of Pertinax in wax, laid out in triumphal garb; and a comely youth was keeping the flies away from it with peacock feathers, as though it were really a person sleeping. 4 While the body lay in state, Severus as well as we senators and our wives approached, wearing mourning; the women sat in the porticos, and we men under the open sky. After this there moved past, first, images of all the famous Romans of old, then choruses of boys and men, singing a dirge-like hymn to Pertinax; there followed all the subject nations, represented by bronze figures attired in native dress, and the guilds of the City itself — those of the lictors, the scribes, the heralds, and all the rest. Then came images of other men who had been distinguished for some exploit or invention or manner of life. Behind these were the cavalry and infantry in armour, the race-horses, and all the funeral offerings that the emperor and we senators and our wives, and the corporations of the City, had sent. Following them came an altar gilded all over and adorned with ivory and gems of India. When these had passed by, Severus mounted the rostra and read a eulogy of Pertinax. We shouted our approval many times in the course of his address, now praising and now lamenting Pertinax, but our shouts were loudest when he concluded. Finally, when the bier was about to be moved, we all lamented and wept together. It was brought down from the platform by the high priests and the magistrates, not only those who were actually in office at the time by also those who had been elected for the ensuing year; and they gave it to certain knights to carry. All the rest of us, now, marched ahead of the bier, some beating our breasts and others playing a dirge on the flute, but the emperor followed behind all the rest; and in this order we arrived at the Campus Martius. There a pyre had been built in the form of a tower having three stories and adorned with ivory and gold as well as a number of statues, while on its very summit was placed a gilded chariot that Pertinax had been wont to drive. Inside this pyre the funeral offerings were cast and the bier was placed in it, and then Severus and the relatives of Pertinax kissed the effigy. The emperor then ascended a tribunal, while we, the senate, except the magistrates, took our places on wooden stands in order to view the ceremonies both safely and conveniently. The magistrates and the equestrian order, arrayed in a manner befitting their station, and likewise the cavalry and the infantry, passed in and out around the pyre performing intricate evolutions, both those of peace and those of war. Then at last the consuls applied fire to the structure, and when this had been done, an eagle flew aloft from it. Thus was Pertinax made immortal." ~ Dio Cassius 75.4-5


AUC 964 / 211 CE: Death of Septimus Severus at York; ascension of Caracalla and Geta. Caracella assumed the title of pontifex maximus on this day.

At the murder of Emperor Pertinax by the Praetorian Guard (28 March 193 BCE), they auctioned off the throne to the highest bidder. He was senator, M. Didius Severus Julianus. Unpopular with the citizens of Rome because of how he had purchased his title, three generals then rose in revolt. Pescennius Niger commanded the legions in Syria, Clodius Albinus was stationed in Britannia, while closest to Rome was Septimius Severus in Pannonia. By the calends of June, Didius Julianus was executed by order of the Senate who also named Septimius Severus emperor. Severus turned to meet Pescennius Niger, defeating him in 194 at the Battle of Issus, and finally brought the civil war to an end by defeating Albinus at the Battle of Lugdunum on 19 Feb. 197 BCE. Septimius was a soldier's emperor. He increased the size of the army to 33 legions and raised their annual pay from 300 to 500 denarii, and to these he also increased the number of auxillary units. He ended the corruption that had started during the reign of Commodus, in part by executing a number of corrupt senators. This made him popular with the masses, as did his military expeditions. He gained a victory over the Parthians early in his reign and fought a number of campaigns in Britannia and Caledonia, eventually winning a peace with the Picts that was to hold until the Roman legions withdrew from the British Isles. His expansion of the army, while needed to defend the empire, nonetheless came to drain its resources. While campaigning once more in Britannia, at the age of 89, Septimius Severus became ill and died at York.

"When this had been done, and the Caledonians had joined the revolt of the Maeatae, he began preparing to make war upon them in person. While he was thus engaged, his sickness carried him off on the fourth of February, not without some help, they say, from Antoninus. At all events, before Severus died, he is reported to have spoken thus to his sons (I give his exact words without embellishment): 'Be harmonious, enrich the soldiers, and scorn all other men.' After this his body, arrayed in military garb, was placed upon a pyre, and as a mark of honour the soldiers and his sons ran about it; and as for the soldiers' gifts, those who had things at hand to offer as gifts threw them upon it, and his sons applied the fire. Afterwards his bones were put in an urn of purple stone, carried to Rome, and deposited in the tomb of the Antonines. It is said that Severus sent for the urn shortly before his death, and after feeling of it, remarked: 'Thou shalt hold a man that the world could not hold.'" ~ Dio Cassius 77.15.2-4

Septimius had founded the last imperial dynasty, the Severans, who included five emperors, himself, his sons Caracella and Greta, and their cousins, Elagabalus and, ending with the best of them, Severus Alexander.


Our thought for today is one that is common to many traditions. This time it expressed byLaberius Decimus (107-43 BCE)

"As you behave towards others, expect that others will behave to you."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73385 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: Explorator 12.41 January 31, 2010
Salvete omnes

I don't know why or when the Explorator stopped being posted on our main list. Here is the latest and I shall try to see that they continue to be posted here every week.

Valete optime
M. Moravius Piscinus

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Editor's note: Most urls should be active for at least eight
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For your computer's protection, Explorator is sent in plain text
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arrives otherwise!!!
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Thanks to Arthur Shippee, Dave Sowdon, Daniel P. Diffendale
Diana Wright, Donna Hurst, Duke Jason, Edward Rockstein,
Rick Heli, Virginia Knight, Hernan Astudillo,Donna Hurst,
Kurt Theis, Richard Price, John McMahon, Joseph Lauer,Randolph Bragg
Mike Ruggeri,Sue Day,Joos Postma, Bob Heuman, Rochelle Altman,
Murali Menon, Rick Pettigrew,Diana C. Briscoe and Ross W. Sargent
for headses upses this week (as always hoping I have left no one
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EARLY HUMANS
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Trying to explain homo floresiensis' tiny brain:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100126220325.htm
http://www.newkerala.com/news/fullnews-38919.html
http://www.physorg.com/news183808783.html


Last of the Neanderthals: 37 000 b.p.?:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100126220321.htm
http://www.physorg.com/news183793078.html

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AFRICA
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Nice feature on San petroglyphs in Matobo National Park:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704281204575003441739599812.html?mod=WSJ_LifeStyle_LeadStoryNA

A major cache of Anglo-Boer weaponry has brought a construction
project in King William's Town to a halt:

http://www.dispatch.co.za/article.aspx?id=375303

BBC series on the Lost Kingdoms of Africa (access to videos
limited):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pv1m4
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ANCIENT NEAR EAST AND EGYPT
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They're starting to hype DNA test results on Tut:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/31/AR2010013100756.html

Plans to restore the 'avenue of the sphinxes':

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=588&art_id=nw20100129010733701C521010
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=9649483

Feature on Egyptian lifestyle:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/features/lifestyles-of-the-rich-and-famous-egyptians-1878609.html

Feature on the excavations at Tel Kabri:

http://www.gwu.edu/explore/gwtoday/aroundtheworld/uncoveringanancientcivilization

Overviewish thing on recent work in Syria:

http://www.english.globalarabnetwork.com/201001304589/Travel/archaeological-findings-highlight-syria-role-in-human-civilization.html

Feature on the political side of archaeology in Israel:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1957350,00.html

Brief feature on Ottoman Umm Qais:

http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidZAWYA20100129090301/Ottoman-era%20village%20reflects%20Jordan%27s%20layers%20of%20enduring%20history

Lengthy feature on Lycia:

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-199728-116-digging-up-turkeys-past-tomb-raider-charles-fellows-in-lycia.html

Feature on the oldest cylinder seal found on the Arabian peninsula:

http://www.sas.upenn.edu/home/SASFrontiers/pittman2010.html

Paul Sussman shares his views on his work:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/jan/30/i-discovered-pharaoh-gold

A lecture by Sara Orel:

http://media.www.trumanindex.com/media/storage/paper607/news/2010/01/28/Trulife/Lecture.Reveals.History.Behind.Ancient.Egyptian.Pottery-3859280.shtml

More on the Archaic Mark as forgery:

http://www.theartnewspaper.com/articles/Early-copy-of-the-Gospel-of-Mark-is-a-forgery%20/20134

More on the Berenike Temple:

http://www.projo.com/art/content/artsun-tomb-found_01-24-10_8NH5OSE_v7.1b8adb4.html

More on Iraq's erasing Hebrew connections to Ezekiel's tomb:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1144711.html

Review of David O'Connor, *Abydos*:

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2010/983/heritage.htm

Egyptology News Blog:

http://egyptology.blogspot.com/

Egyptology Blog:

http://www.egyptologyblog.co.uk/

Dr Leen Ritmeyer's Blog:

http://blog.ritmeyer.com/

Paleojudaica:

http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/

Persepolis Fortification Archives:

http://persepolistablets.blogspot.com/

Archaeologist at Large:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/ArchaeologyinEgypt/
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ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME (AND CLASSICS)
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The big news this week might be the discovery of what appears to be
the source of the Aqua Traiana:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/british-filmmakers-uncover-trajans-hidden-roman-aquaduct-1879540.html
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14287435
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/24/roman-aqua-traiana-film-makers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/7067184/Two-thousand-year-old-Roman-aqueduct-discovered.html
http://eternallycool.net/2010/01/source-of-trajans-aqueduct-discovered/
http://www.wtxx.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-eu-italy-ancient-aqueduct,0,1833225.story
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8486518.stm
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60S4LK20100129
http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/roman-aqueduct-emperor.html
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100129/tod-oukoe-uk-italy-archaeologists-life-fdde6d8.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100129/sc_afp/italybritainarchaeologyaqueduct_20100129221346
http://www.physorg.com/news184010018.html
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/28/world/AP-EU-Italy-Ancient-Aqueduct.html
http://rogueclassicism.com/2010/01/25/source-of-the-aqua-traiana-found/
http://rogueclassicism.com/2010/01/29/more-on-the-aqua-traiana/

... or the big news this week might be the discovery of what appears
to be fragments of the Codex Gregorianus:

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1001/10012702
http://www.ahrc.ac.uk/News/Podcasts/Pages/lostromanlaw.aspx
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/history2/volterra/texts/fla.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100126220329.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jan/28/gregorian-text-roman-law-found
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-01/ucl-lrl012610.php
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/cracking-the-codex-long-lost-roman-legal-document-discovered-1881769.html
http://www.physorg.com/news183800845.html
http://rogueclassicism.com/2010/01/27/codex-gregorianus-found/

The reopening of the Fitzwilliam's Greek and Roman collection is
garnering some coverage:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts_and_culture/8485654.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/charlottehigginsblog/2010/jan/27/art-archaeology
http://www.culture24.org.uk/history+%2526+heritage/art75434
http://rogueclassicism.com/2010/01/28/the-fitzwilliam-has-some-interesting-stuff/

... and especially interesting is a feature on a Roman Army Knife:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1247230/The-Roman-Army-Knife-Or-ingenuity-Swiss-beaten-1-800-years.html
http://rogueclassicism.com/2010/01/30/the-roman-swiss-army-knife/

Interesting burial of an Asian found in a Roman context at Vagnari:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/embassador-or-slave-east-asian-skeleton-discovered-in-vagnari-roman-cemetery-1879551.html
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/714884
http://rogueclassicism.com/2010/01/29/asian-burial-at-vagnari/

Trying to figure out what to do with Guernsey's Roman shipwreck:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/guernsey/8482552.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/guernsey/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8481000/8481475.stm
http://rogueclassicism.com/2010/01/28/guernseys-roman-shipwreck/P
Not sure why, but that 'Vespasian's birthplace' find from last August
is making the rounds again:

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/CultureAndMedia/?id=3.0.4244627106
http://www.littleabout.com/news/63077,2000-year-birthplace-roman-emperor-vespasian.html
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/01/28/2000year-old-birthplace-of-roman-emperor-vespasianfound.html
http://rogueclassicism.com/2010/01/30/vespasians-birthplace-redux/

A Roman temple find during excavations in the chancel of a church
in Spain:

http://www.barcelonareporter.com/index.php?/news/comments/an_ancient_roman_temple_discovered_in_the_chancel_of_the_church_of_sant_fel/3101100247am

Feature on Ulpiana:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/life_and_style/25109/

Interesting bit of Thracian gold on display for the first time:

http://paper.standartnews.com/en/article.php?d=2010-01-29&article=32002

Mary Beard will be chatting on Desert Island Discs some time today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00q0dbx

What the Iliad still tells us about war:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jan/30/iliad-war-charlotte-higgins

How to be a gladiator:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583784,00.html

Barbara Gold's Valentine's Day opinions are circulating again:

http://www.newkerala.com/news/fullnews-37669.html

Medical case histories on Mount Olympus:

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2005/5/9stallard.html

Palaeography is threatened at King's College:

http://rogueclassicism.com/2010/01/28/cuts-at-kings-college-london/

Feature on Auden's 'Shield of Achilles':

http://pacificfreepress.com/news/1/5470-shield-of-achilles.html

Review of Kagan's *Thucydides*:

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2010/jan/28/thucydides-a-flawed-analysis-of-flawed-history/

Review of Zachary Mason, *Lost Books of the Odyssey*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/books/28book.html


Latest reviews from Scholia:

http://www.classics.ukzn.ac.za/reviews/

Latest reviews from BMCR:

http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/recent.html

Visit our blog:

http://rogueclassicism.com/
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EUROPE AND THE UK (+ Ireland)
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Pondering the implications of evidence of a Neolithic amputation
found in the environs of Paris:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7000810.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7072726/Stone-Age-amputee-proves-Neolithic-medics-more-advanced-than-previously-thought.html

Remains of an Iron Age settlement in Kent:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/kent/8488871.stm

Another item from the Staffordshire Hoard has gone on display:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/staffordshire/8479047.stm

Remains of a Viking settlement in Dublin:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0127/1224263210796.html

Recent finds from Veliko Tarnovo (a bit vague):

http://www.balkantravellers.com/en/read/article/1714

Feature on Eliseg's Pillar (Wales):

http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/84291/historic-welsh-pillar-that-s-shrouded-in-mystery.aspx

More on Mel Gibson's Viking project:

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/entertainment/6711747/mel-gibson-eyeing-viking-epic/
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/entertainment/6718397/gibson-to-make-viking-epic/

Archaeology in Europe Blog:

http://www.archaeology.eu.com/weblog/index.html
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ASIA AND THE SOUTH PACIFIC
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A high-ranking Han Dynasty burial from Shaanxi:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/culture/2010-01/29/c_13156192.htm
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90782/90873/6883157.html

An Iron Age (?) burial from Laos:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/305145,iron-age-discovery-uncovers-prehistoric-burial-customs-in-laos.html

A Warring States period tomb with some bamboo strips:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-01/23/content_9365954.htm

I thought they had done DNA tests on the remains of Cao Cao's tomb;
maybe I missed something:

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90782/90873/6878182.html
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90782/90874/6879963.html
http://www.physorg.com/news183726069.html

Latest 'Great Wall' news:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/life/2010-01/29/content_9397217.htm
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90782/90873/6882691.html

An Amman idol and assorted other items from construction sites
near Mannargudi:

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chennai/amman-idol-copper-coins-unearthed-near-mannargudi-458

Latest video on the Archaeology Channel is about India:

http://www.archaeologychannel.org).

Vietnam has reburied the mummified corpse of a Le Dynasty king
which was accidentally dug up fifty years ago:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100125/lf_afp/vietnamroyalsmummy_20100125172948
http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Asia/Story/A1Story20100125-194364.html

Nice Astronomy pic of the day of an annular eclipse over Myanmar:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap100126.html

More on evidence for a lost Spanish colony in the Solomons:

http://www.solomonstarnews.com/viewpoint/private-view/2054-lost-spanish-colony-may-be-found

More on humans and Australian megafauna:

http://www.physorg.com/news183924703.html


Southeast Asian Archaeology Newsblog:

http://www.southeastasianarchaeology.com/

New Zealand Archaeology eNews:

http://www.nzarchaeology.org/netsubnews.htm
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NORTH AMERICA
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Remains of a 700 b.p. village in Richmond:

http://www.richmondregister.com/localnews/local_story_029201854.html

An archaeologist has changed his mind about the origins of of
the Oxford mound:

http://www.whnt.com/news/sns-ap-al--indianmounddispute,0,7500104.story
http://annistonstar.com/bookmark/5681193
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20100128/NEWS02/1280325/1009/rss04

Interesting feature on some finds from Hilton Head:

http://www.npaper-wehaa.com/bluffton-today/2010/01/26/#?article=739277

Lecture (video) all abaout Tammany Hall:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGVy702gf84&feature=player_profilepage

Feature on the African Burial Ground in Manhattan:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/arts/design/27sankofa.html

Review of a couple of books about executive power in the US:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/books/review/Isaacson-t.html

More on caves and climate change in the Southwest:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100120161243.htm
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CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA
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A tomb from Tonina (Mexico) may shed light on the Maya collapse:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gHzRAPQqxE5hM1_7NrVtYaSpiNnQ
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100129/sc_afp/mexicoarchaeology
http://www.whnt.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-lt-mexico-mayan-tomb,0,2410373.story
http://www.canadaeast.com/rss/article/935713
http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/ancient-tomb-could-explain-maya-collaspe.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i9HQiCmYdmSW0sqbvUjfCYY0Msog
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2010/01/26/index.php?section=cultura&article=a05n2cul
http://dti.inah.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=39&Itemid=150
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/28/AR2010012800587.html?sub=AR
http://www.physorg.com/news183905797.html

A big Mayan sculptured head from Guatemala:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/26/huge-mayan-head-points-ancient-metropolis/
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,26637318-663,00.html?from=public_rss
http://www.thinkspain.com/news-spain/17577/valencian-archaeologists-find-mayan-figurehead-in-guatemala
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/huge-head-discovered-in-ancient-mayan-city-in-guatemala/story-e6frf7lf-1225823642795
http://www.thinkspain.com/news-spain/17577/valencian-archaeologists-find-mayan-figurehead-in-guatemala
http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre60o5rc-us-guatemala-archeology/

Followuppish stuff on that pre-Inca 'mythical' temple from Peru:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/01/photogalleries/100129-peru-temple-mythical-naylamp-pictures/?now=2010-01-29-00:01#025755_600x450.jpg(photos!)

Plenty of cultural damage in Haiti:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/world/americas/24heritage.html?hp

More Mochica/Lambayeque finds (semi-repeat):

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=35886 (shaman)
http://enperublog.com/2010/01/23/tomb-of-800-year-old-shaman-discovered/

Rains/flooding are stranding tourists at Machu Picchu:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/6723477/peru-mudslides-strand-2000-tourists/
http://www.usforacle.com/rains-strand-2-000-tourists-at-machu-picchu-ruins-1.2149157
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=7240202&rss=rss-wabc-article-7240202
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N27200263.htm
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6726511/peru-mudslides-strand-machu-picchu-tourists-5-dead/

Mike Ruggeri's Ancient Americas Breaking News:

http://web.mac.com/michaelruggeri

Ancient MesoAmerica News:

http://ancient-mesoamerica-news-updates.blogspot.com/
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OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST
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I'm not sure whether we've mentioned this DNA story before, but
the results seem to be putting Indo-Europeans in East Asia some
2000 years b.p.:

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/55811/title/Skeleton_of_Western_man_found_in_ancient_Mongolian_tomb

Nice feature on Shelley's Ozymandias:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2010/jan/28/percy-bysshe-shelley-poetry

The man behind Coleridge's ancient mariner:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jan/31/man-behind-coleridges-ancient-mariner

Interesting interviewish thing with Robert M. Edsel:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/26/business/26flier.html

Celebrating Chekhov:

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/01/29/arts/entertainment-us-russia-chekhov-anniversary.html

Britain's Academy of Sciences is 350 years old:

http://www.physorg.com/news184127779.html

The evolution of evolution:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527441.500-horizontal-and-vertical-the-evolution-of-evolution.html?full=true

Was the Mona Lisa a self portrait (this one's weird):

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100129/ap_on_re_eu/eu_leonardo_s_mysteries
http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=35932
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/7069335/Leonardo-Da-Vincis-remains-to-be-exhumed-amid-Mona-Lisa-self-portrait-mystery.html
http://www.physorg.com/news183667169.html


A page from the Voynich Manuscript was Astronomy pic of the day:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap100131.html

The Two Ronnies take on archaeology:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFLOHu8Ozm8

Not sure if we mentioned this Sherlock Holmes copyright thing:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/opinion/24sun4.html

On rising and falling sea levels over the past 2500 years:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-01/uoh-tsl012610.php
http://www.physorg.com/news183723896.html


Nice feature on an archaeology student's presentation at the AIA:

http://www.physorg.com/news183740408.html

Assorted Valentine's Day stuff of varying quality:

http://www.gklife.com/arts-and-culture/why-was-valentines-day-invented250110
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/feature/a-tale-of-st-valentines-day_100309781.html
http://www.pr-inside.com/happy-valentines-day-hotsaleoutlet-com-r1686126.htm

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TOURISTY THINGS
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Trebizond (not sure if this is really touristy or not):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8488238.stm

Aleppo:

http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/travel/24next.html

David's Tomb:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3830412,00.html
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BLOGS AND PODCASTS
================================================================
About.com Archaeology:

http://archaeology.about.com/

Archaeology Briefs:

http://archaeologybriefs.blogspot.com/

Naked Archaeology Podcast:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/archaeology/

Taygete Atlantis excavations blogs aggregator:

http://planet.atlantides.org/taygete/
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CRIME BEAT
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Cyprus police busted a major smuggling ring:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8478886.stm
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2010886033_apeucyprusantiquitiestheft.html?syndication=rss
http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/ancient-artifacts-theft-smuggling.html
http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/main/92,1,283,0,5342-.aspx
http://news.scotsman.com/world/Police-smash-ring-of-antiques.6012514.jp
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=a8FH1zUeQT6I
http://www.canadaeast.com/rss/article/935718
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012500429.html

Italian police have sealed off a number of looted sites in Puglia:

http://www.littleabout.com/news/62101,stolen-art-treasures-recovered-italy.html

Semi-related to our purview ... interesting report that one of the
9/11 hijackers tried to fund his flying lessons with antiquities
from Afghanistan:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100128/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1086

Oped piece on protecting antiquities in India:

http://beta.thehindu.com/opinion/editorial/article96475.ece

Concerns for antiquities traffic and tourism in Nigeria:

http://allafrica.com/stories/201001290733.html

Tomb raiders bulldozed a site in Jiangsu:

http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-01/501682.html

Germany has returned some items to Iraq:

http://www.isria.com/pages/30_January_2010_5.php

Latest update from the Utah case:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14289840

Looting Matters:

http://lootingmatters.blogspot.com/
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NUMISMATICA
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A coin from a long-known hoard from the UK turns out to be the
oldest Roman coin in Britain:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/8487870.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7101973/Oldest-Roman-coin-in-Britain-discovered-on-museum-shelf.html
http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/Roman-coin-oldest-Britain/article-1780460-detail/article.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1247092/Silver-coin-dating-211BC-oldest-piece-Roman-money-Britain.html

Latest E-Sylum newsletter:

http://www.coinbooks.org/club_nbs_esylum_v13n04.html

Ancient Coin Collecting:

http://ancientcoincollecting.blogspot.com/

Ancient Coins:

http://classicalcoins.blogspot.com/
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EXHIBITIONS, AUCTIONS, AND MUSEUM-RELATED
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1001 Inventions:

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/29/muslim.inventions/

Rome After Raphael:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/arts/design/29raphael.html

Eros: From Hesiod's Theogeny ... :

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/desire/the-joy-of-sex--an-ancient-guide-1879995.html

The Author's Portrait:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/bookpatrol/archives/192113.asp?from=blog_last3

Master Drawings New York:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/arts/design/29masters.html

Temples, Tombs and Tumis:

http://www.umaine.edu/hudsonmuseum/Exhibits.html#Temple

Mary Webb, Neglected Genius:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/arts/design/29antiques.html

Vision of Dance:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/26/arts/26iht-diag.html

Klencke Atlas:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jan/26/klencke-atlas-british-library-exhibition

Tracing the sources of UPenn Museum's gold:

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/140683559

Nice price for a disputed daVinci:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=35938

More on Egypt's claims to Nefertiti:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-26/egypt-relics-chief-pulls-in-revenue-as-he-fights-for-nefertiti.html

... and the Rosetta Stone:

http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=7&id=19656

... and Egyptian antiquities laws:

http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=7&id=19656

The BM v Iran thing continues:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jan/24/cyrus-cylinder-iran-museum-row

... with the BM apparently needing six months to study the 'new'
fragments:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=117211§ionid=351020105

How museums bet on the Super Bowl:

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/super-bowl-wager-provokes-art-museum-trash-talk/

Woman v Picasso ... Picasso loses:

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/woman-collides-with-a-picasso
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/24/arts/AP-US-Picasso-Damaged.html

Pedestal collapse at the Met isn't a good thing:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/arts/design/01cnd-sculpture.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/09/arts/met-s-15th-century-adam-shatters-as-pedestal-collapses.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/arts/design/28statues.html

... leading, of course, to a feature on 'art catastrophes':

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/nyregion/27about.html

Feature on the 'keeper of Moscow's architectural conscience':

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/arts/design/28appraisal.html

The Huntington has acquired a pile of Charles Dickens' letters:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=35899

A couple's 'umbrella stand' has turned out to be a nicely-priced
Chinese vase:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100129/tuk-couple-s-umbrella-stand-is-lost-chin-45dbed5.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/dorset/8487181.stm

Old Masters were fetching nice prices:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/arts/30iht-melik30.html

More hype for the terracotta warriors coming to the ROM:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/culture/2010-01/29/c_13155901.htm
http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=35905
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PERFORMANCES AND THEATRE-RELATED
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Lucretia:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10028/1031412-388.stm?cmpid=entertainment.xml

Feature on Chopin and Schumann:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/arts/music/24schumann.html

Europa Galante:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/26/arts/music/26europa.html

Le Poeme Harmonique:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/26/arts/music/26roundup.html

As You Like It:

http://theater.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/theater/reviews/27like.html
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OBITUARIES
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Birthe Kj?lbye-Biddle
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/obituaries/article7002095.ece
Howard Zinn:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29zinn.html

Paul R Jones:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/28/arts/AP-US-Obit-Art-Collector.html
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PODCASTS
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The Book and the Spade:

http://www.radioscribe.com/bknspade.htm

The Dig:

http://www.thedigradio.com/

Stone Pages Archaeology News:

http://news.stonepages.com/

Archaeologica Audio News:

http://www.archaeologychannel.org/AudioNews.asp
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73386 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: What have the Romans ever done for us?
From MONTY PYTHON'S LIfE OF BRIAN:

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Reg:
All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?

Xerxes:
The aqueduct.

Reg:
Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That's true.

Masked Activist:
And the sanitation!

Stan:
Oh yes... sanitation, Reg, you remember what the city used to be like.

Reg:
All right, I'll grant you that the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done...

Matthias:
And the roads...

Reg:
(sharply) Well yes obviously the roads... the roads go without saying. But apart from the aqueduct, the sanitation and the roads...

Another Masked Activist:
Irrigation...

Other Masked Voices:
Medicine... Education... Health...

Reg:
Yes... all right, fair enough...

Activist Near Front:
And the wine...

Omnes:
Oh yes! True!

Francis:
Yeah. That's something we'd really miss if the Romans left, Reg.

Masked Activist at Back:
Public baths!

Stan:
And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now.

Francis:
Yes, they certainly know how to keep order... (general nodding)... let's face it, they're the only ones who could in a place like this.

(more general murmurs of agreement)

Reg:
All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?

Xerxes:
Brought peace!

Reg:
(very angry, he's not having a good meeting at all) What!? Oh... (scornfully) Peace, yes... shut up!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73387 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Explorator 12.41 January 31, 2010
Cn. Lentulus M. Piscino pontifici maximo sal.


Thank you for that Pontifex Maxime M. Moravi!

Cura, ut valeas, resque publica tecum valeat!
















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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73388 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-04
Subject: CONSPIRATA
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Just purchased Robert Harris' new novel "Conspirata", set at the time of Cicero's inauguration as consul. I'll let you know what I think :)

Valete!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73389 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2010-02-05
Subject: Re: CONSPIRATA
Thanks for the tip Cato! I love Robert Harris!. Pompei was a great book. I'm
reading it now for the 3rd time!
Vale,
Diana
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cato" <catoinnyc@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:12 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] CONSPIRATA


Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Just purchased Robert Harris' new novel "Conspirata", set at the time of
Cicero's inauguration as consul. I'll let you know what I think :)

Valete!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73390 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-05
Subject: NONAE FEBRUARIAE: Faunus rustica, Concordia
M. Moravius Piscinus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus sumus.

Hodie est Nonae Februariae; haec dies nefastus est: Faunalia rustica et Concordiae

"When the middle parts of Aquarius begin to rise, windy weather begins." ~ Columella, De Re Rustica 9.2.14


FERIAE FAUNALIS RUSTICA

"Amorous Faunus, from whom the Nymphs flee, step lightly across my boundaries and sunny fields, and soon depart, leaving your blessing on my young lambs and kids, and leveled tender shoots. If gentle, at year's end a plumb kid I'll offer, with wine libations liberally poured from the cups of Venus' devotees, and many sweet, fragrant herbs I'll burn on your ancient altar." ~Horace Carmen 3.8.1-8

"Ye Fauns, to rustic farmers ever kind, come! Foot the beat! Fauns and Dryad maids together; your gifts I sing." ~ Virgil, Georgic 1.10

Probus, commenting on Virgil's Georgic 1.10, wrote, "In Italy, whatever they celebrate with an annual sacrifice, also they celebrate monthly."

We know that a Faunalia rustica was held on the Nonae Decembrae and it is posed that the Nonae of every month was likewise dedicated to Faunus in the countryside. In February this is entirely possible, as spring now nears, the time of clearing begins in preparation for the springtime, and two festival dates are celebrated at the Ides as dates on which temples were dedicated to Faunus. In the household rites (sacra privita) there remained the earlier forms of the religio Romana out of which arose the State religion (sacra publica). We can find in the domestic practices the culti Deorum of hearth and farm. We can speculate, with some reason, that the Nonae were dedicated to Faunus, in some respect, with regard to the rural estate, and that this is perhaps reflected in the sacra publica that celebrates the founding of temples for Faunus at Rome. What we do not know with certainty was whether Faunus was included in the domestic rituals of each month. Likely he was in the countryside, and so today we recall Faunus as he shall be celebrated later in the month.


AUC 535 / 218 BCE: L. Manilius, who vowed the temple earlier this year while putting down a mutiny in Cisalpine Gaul, dedicated the
Temple of Concordia.


AUC 707 / 46 BCE: Following the victory of Caesar at Thapsus, M. Porcius Cato Uticensis took his own life, a martyr for his Republican
ideals.

"The battle was long, severe, and doubtful in all parts of the field until toward evening, when victory declared itself on the side of Caesar, who went straight on and captured Scipio's camp and did not desist, even in the night, from reaping the fruits of his victory until he had made a clean sweep. The enemy scattered in small bodies wherever they could. Scipio himself, abandoning everything to Afranius, fled by sea with twelve open ships.

"When these facts became known at Utica some three days later, and as Caesar was marching right against that place, a general flight began. Cato did not detain anybody. He gave ships to all the nobility who asked for them, but himself adhered firmly to his post. When the inhabitants of Utica promised to intercede for him before doing so for themselves, he answered with a smile that he did not need any intercessors with Caesar, and that Caesar knew it very well. Then he placed his seal on all the public property and gave the accounts of each kind to the magistrates of Utica. Toward evening he bathed and dined. He ate in a sitting posture,39 as had been his custom since Pompey's death. He changed his habits in no respect. He partook of the dinner, neither more nor less than usual. He conversed with the others present concerning those who had sailed away and inquiredwhether the wind was favourable and whether they would make sufficient distance before Caesar should arrive the next morning. Nor did he alter any of his habits when he retired to rest, except that he embraced his son rather more affectionately than usual. As he did not find his dirk in its accustomed place by his couch, he exclaimed that he had been betrayed by his servants to the enemy. "What weapon," he asked, "shall I use if I am attacked in the night?" When they besought him to do no violence to himself but to go to sleep without his dirk, he replied still more plausibly, "Could I not strangle myself with my clothing if I wished to, or knock my brains out against the wall, or throw myself headlong to the ground, or destroy myself by holding my breath?" Much more he said to the same purport until he persuaded them to bring back his dirk. When it had been put in its place he called for Plato's treatise on the soul and began to read.

"When Plato's dialogue had come to an end and when he thought that those who were stationed at the doors were asleep, he stabbed himself
under the breast. His intestines protruded and the attendants heard a groan and rushed in. Physicians replaced his intestines, which were still uninjured, in his body, and after sewing up the wound tied a bandage around it. When Cato came to himself he dissembled again. Although he blamed himself for the insufficiency of the wound, he expressed thanks p411to those who had saved him and said that he only needed sleep. The attendants then retired, taking the dirk with them, and closed the door, thinking that he had become quiet. Cato after feigning sleep, tore off the bandage with his hands without making any noise, opened the suture of the wound, enlarged it with his nails like a wild beast, plunged his fingers into his stomach, and tore out his entrails until he died, being then about fifty years of age. He was considered the most steadfast of all men in upholding any opinion that he had once espoused and in adhering to justice, rectitude, and morality, not as a matter of custom merely, but rather from a high-souled philosophy." ~ Appian, The Civil Wars, Excerpts 2.97-99


AUC 751 / 2 BCE: Augustus received the title Pater Patria:

"Sacred Father of the Fatherland, this title has been conferred on you, (Augustus), by the Senate, by the people, and by we Equites. Events had already granted it. Tardily you received your true title, you had long been Father of the World." ~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2.127-128

"In my thirtieth consulship the Senate, the equestrian order, and the whole of the People of Rome titled me Pater Patriae. [Furthermore the title was to be] inscribed in the vestibule of my house and in the Curia Julia and in the Forum Augustum beneath the chariot which has been put there in my honor by decree of the Senate." ~ Augustus, Res Gestae 35.1


AUC 965 / 212 CE: Failure to bring Concord between Caracella and his brother Geta

"As for his own brother, Antoninus (Caracella) had wished to slay (Geta) even while his father (Septimus Severus) was yet alive, but had been unable to do so at the time because of Severus, or later, on the march, because of the legions; for the troops felt very kindly toward the younger brother, especially as he resembled his father very closely in appearance. But when Antoninus got back to Rome, he made away with him also. The two pretended to love and commend each other, but in all that they did they were diametrically opposed, and anyone could see that something terrible was bound to result from the situation. This was foreseen even before they reached Rome. For when the senate had voted that sacrifices should be offered on behalf of their concord both to the other Gods and to Concord herself, and the assistants had got ready the victim to be sacrificed to Concord and the consul had arrived to superintend the sacrifice, neither he could find them nor they him, but they spent nearly the entire night in searching for one another, so that the sacrifice could not be performed then. And on the next day two wolves went up on the
Capitol, but were chased away from there; one of them was found and slain somewhere in the Forum and the other was killed later outside the pomerium. This incident also had reference to the brothers." ~ Dio Cassius 78.1.3-6


Our thought for today is from Democritus, The Golden Sayings 28:

"It is good not only to refrain from doing an injury, but even from the very wish."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73391 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-05
Subject: Sacrum Iunonis Covellae
M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus: Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum ex patriae et omnibus: salutem plurimam dicit:

Hoc Agete!

Sacrum Iunonis Covellae

Ave Dea aeterna, tenes vetusta delubra, castissima Iuno Covella, cuius sanctitas cordi Diis est. Te, Dea, adoramus tuumque nos numen invocamus. Iuno, uti tibi in illis libris scriptum est quarumque rerum ergo quodque melius sit populo Novo Romano Quiritibus tibi sacrum fiat. Te, Dea, quaeso precorque te his donis obmovendis bonas preces precor uti sis volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, tribunis Plebei Novae Romanae, Senatui Novo Romano, quaestoribus et magistratibus omnibus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, nobis, domibus familiisque nostris. Macte his donis.

Iuno Covella, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces praecor ut sis volens propitia nobis liberisque notris domibus familiisque nostris.

Huc ades, castissima Iuno Covella, te hoc libo strueque obmovendo bonas preces precor ut sis volens propitia nobis liberisque notris domibus familiisque nostris. macte hoc ferto.


Mensis Februarius dies XXVIII : Nonae quintanae; dies horarum X dodrantis: nox horarum XIII quadrantis; Sol Aquario; Tutela Neptuni : Segetes sariuntur vinearum superficium colitur harundines incenduntur, Parentalia, Lupercalia, Cara Cognato, Terminalia.

FEBRUARIUS

1 N KAL IUNONI SOSPITAE MATRI REGINAE
2 N dies ater
3 N
4 N FORNACALIA
5 N NON Fauno, Concordia.
6 N dies ater
7 N Sementivae
8 N
9 N
10 N
11 N
12 N
13 NP EIDUS religiosus FAUNALIA; VIRGO VESTALIS PARENTATIO
14 N dies ater
15 NP religiosus LUPERCALIA
16 EN religiosus
17 NP religiosus QUIRINALIA
18 C religiosus PARENTALIA
19 C religiosus PARENTALIA
20 C religiosus PARENTALIA
21 F religiosus FERALIA
22 C CARISTIA
23 NP TERMINALIA
24 N REGIFUGIUM
25 C
26 EN
27 NP EQUIRRIA
28 C


Iuno Covella macte ista libatione pollicenda sint, macte lacti inferio sint.

Illicet. Di immortales faciant, tam felix quam pia.

Nil amplius vos hodie posco, superi, satis est.

_________________

Hail, eternal Goddess, You who dwells in ancient temples, most chaste Juno Covella, whose sanctity is pleasing to the hearts of the Gods, We invoke Your presence among us. Juno, as it is prescribed for you in those books – and for this reason may every good fortune attend the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites – let sacrifice be made to you. I beg and pray. In making this offering to you, I pray with good prayers, that You look favorably upon the People of Nova Roma, the Quirites, on the Republic of Nova Roma, on the consuls and praetors of the the People of Nova Roma, the Quirites, on the tribunes of the Plebeians of Nova Roma, on the Senate of Nova Roma, on the quaestors and on all magistrates of the People of Nova Roma, the Quirites, and (finally) on us and our households and on our homes; may this offering strengthen and honor You.

Juno Covella, in offering to You this incense I pray good prayers that You will look kindly and favorably upon our children and upon us, on our homes and on our households.

Come, most chaste Juno, in offering You this libum and strues bread I pray good prayers in order that, pleased with this offering of libum bread, You may be favorable toward us and to our children, to our houses and our households. May You be honored in this.

Juno Covella, may You be strengthened by this libation, may You be honored by this portion of milk.

Thus is it done. May the immortal Gods make it prosper as it is pius.

No more this day do I ask of You, Gods above; it is enough.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73392 From: tojackso Date: 2010-02-05
Subject: Next Kyklos Apollon
Salve, Nova Roma.



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In the Gods,



Todd Jackson
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73393 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-05
Subject: Iuno and The Peacock
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Pauo ad Iunonem uenit, indigne ferens
cantus luscinii quod sibi no tribuerit;
illum esse cunctis auribus mirabilem,
se derideri simul ac uocem miserit.
Tunc consolandi gratia dixit dea:
"Sed forma uincis, uincis magnitudine;
nitor smaragdi collo praefulget tuo,
pictisque plumis gemmeam caudam explicas."
"Quo mi" inquit "mutam speciem si uincor sono?"
"Fatorum arbitrio partes sunt uobis datae;
tibi forma, uires aquilae, luscinio melos,
augurium coruo, laeua cornici omina;
omnesque propriis sunt contentae dotibus.
Noli adfectare quod tibi non est datum,
delusa ne spes ad querelam reccidat."

"The peacock made complaint to Juno that, while the nightingale
pleased every ear with his song, he himself no sooner opened his mouth
than he became a laughingstock to all who heard him. The Goddess, to
console him, said, "But you far excel in beauty and in size. The
splendor of the emerald shines in your neck and you unfold a tail
gorgeous with painted plumage." "But for what purpose have I," said
the bird, "this dumb beauty so long as I am surpassed in song?' "The
lot of each," replied Juno, "has been assigned by the will of the
Fates--to thee, beauty; to the eagle, strength; to the nightingale,
song; to the raven, favorable, and to the crow, unfavorable auguries.
These are all contented with the endowments allotted to them." - Aesop

Although Februarius is dedicated to Mars, it is also dedicated to Iuno
Sospita, the Savior (or "Preserver") of the State and the special protector of women and children. Her temple in Rome was in the Forum Holitorium, and her cult, that of Sospita (or "Sispes") was important in Lanuvium as well. The cave where offerings were made is in Lanuvio, which is about 40 km from Rome. The name Lanuvio is thought to be derived from "the goddess covered in wool (lana)": girls offered barley-cakes to the sacred snake in her grove, and if their offerings were accepted, their virginity was confirmed and the year's fertility assured. She wore a goat-skin headdress and carried a spear and a shield.

Iuno may have been one of the earliest of the gods to be called to Rome by evocatio. Livy, in the story of the Battle of Veii, puts this prayer in the mouth of the Roman commander, Furius Camillus:

"Pythian Apollo, guided and inspired by thy will I go forth to destroy the city of Veii, and a tenth part of its spoils I devote to thee. Thee too, Queen Juno, who now dwellest in Veii, I beseech, that thou wouldst follow us, after our victory, to the City which is ours and which will soon be thine, where a temple worthy of thy majesty will receive thee...

"When all that belonged to man had been carried away from Veii, they began to remove from the temples the votive gifts that had been made to the gods, and then the gods themselves; but this they did as worshippers rather than as plunderers. The deportation of Queen Juno to Rome was entrusted to a body of men selected from the whole army, who after performing their ablutions and arraying themselves in white vestments, reverently entered the temple and in a spirit of holy dread placed their hands on the statue, for it was as a rule only the priest of one particular house who, by Etruscan usage, touched it. Then one of them, either under a sudden inspiration, or in a spirit of youthful mirth, said, "Art thou willing, Juno, to go to Rome?" The rest exclaimed that the goddess nodded assent. An addition to the story was made to the effect that she was heard to say, "I am willing." At all events we have it that she was moved from her place by appliances of little power, and proved light and easy of transport, as though she were following of her own accord. She was brought without mishap to the Aventine, her everlasting seat, whither the prayers of the Roman Dictator had called her, and where this same Camillus afterwards dedicated the temple which he had vowed." - Livy History of Rome 5.21, 22

Valete!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73394 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2010-02-06
Subject: Reminder Ludi Apollinares, 2/6/2010, 12:00 pm
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Reminder Ludi Apollinares
 
Date:   Saturday February 6, 2010
Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm
Repeats:   This event repeats every week until Friday July 9, 2010.
Location:   Ludi Apollinares
Notes:   Don't forget to be inspired and start your project for the Ludi honoring Apollo!

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/MMDCCLXIII/Ludi_Apollinares
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73395 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-02-06
Subject: CALL FOR SOME CANDIDATES FOR COMITIA POPULI TRIBUTA
Ex Officio Consulis Caesonis Fabii Buteonis Quintiliani

Edictum Consulare CFBQ II de candidati Comitia Populi Tributa CFBQ

(The Second Consular edict CFBQ on candidates in Comitia Populi
Tributa CFBQ).


I hereby call for candidates to stand for election to some ordinary
magistracies of the Comitia Populi Tributa.

Anyone wishing to serve in any of these positions must have been a
citizen for at least six months by Kal. Mar. MMDCCLXIII (March 1st,
2010) and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen.

I will convene the comitia for the elections at a later time in
February, but candidates are welcome to announce themselves and begin
campaigning if they wish.

All potential candidates must contact me with their intention to stand
for office directly by sending a message to:
christer dot edling at telia dot com
in order to be placed on the ballot. Please include the word
"candidate" in the subject of the message, and be sure to tell me your
full Nova Roman name and the office for which you will campaign.

Simply announcing your candidacy to one of the lists shall not be
accepted. You must write to me directly.

Candidacies will be accepted until 15 February 2009 (18.00 hrs CET
Rome; 12.00 hrs EST Philadelphia).

As I need some advise about proper dates I will have to come back with
the exact dates for contio and election.

On behalf of the Res Publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae Romae I,
Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, Consul, hereby issue this call for
candidates for the following offices:


IV QUAESTORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763
(March 1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.
I ROGATORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763 (March
1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.


I DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763
(March 1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.


Given this 6th of February, in the year of the Consulship of P.
Memmius Albucius and the Second Consulship of K.Fabius Buteo
Quintilianus, 2763 AUC.

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Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul Iterum
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73396 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-06
Subject: Re: CALL FOR SOME CANDIDATES FOR COMITIA POPULI TRIBUTA
C. Petronius omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d.,

> candidates for the following offices:
> IV QUAESTORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763
> (March 1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.
> I ROGATOR: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763 (March
> 1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.
> I DIRIBITOR: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763
> (March 1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.

Fellow citizens, male and female, it is the occasion and opportunity for you to have a interesting part within life of Nova Roma. Quaestorship is the beginning of the cursus honorum. I read much of you saying that Nova Roma is dying, articulo mortis. So, give her your wishes to be involved in!

Nova Roma needs you to be more and more attractive.

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VIII Id. Feb. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73397 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-07
Subject: Re: Next Kyklos Apollon
C. Petronius Theodorico Iacobi filio s.p.d.,

Test:
Κύκλος ἉÏ€όλλων.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VII Id. Feb. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73398 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-07
Subject: Selene and Endymion
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

"Muses, sweet-speaking daughters of Zeus Kronides and mistresses of
song, sing next of long-winged Moon! From her immortal head a
heaven-sent glow envelops the earth and great beauty arises under its
radiance. From her golden crown the dim air is made to glitter as her
rays turn night to noon, whenever bright Selene, having bathed her
beautiful skin in the Ocean, put on her shining rainment and harnessed
her proud-necked and glittering steeds, swiftly drives them on as
their manes play with the evening, dividing the months. Her great
orbit is full and as she waxes a most brilliant light appears in the
sky. Thus to mortals she is a sign and a token." - Homer, Hymn to Selene 2

In ancient Greece, today was dedicated to the goddess Selene. She
represents the full moon phase of the lunar cycle, along with Artemis
(the crescent new moon) and Hekate (the waning moon). Like her brother
Helios, she drives a chariot through the sky each night; hers is
usually drawn by two horses. By Zeus, she is the mother of Pandia
(All-bright) and Ersa (Dew).

"Selene, they say, fell in love with this Endymion and bore him fifty daughters... As to the death of Enydmion, the people of Herakleia near Miletos do not agree with the Eleans; for while the Eleans who a tomb of Endymion, the folk of Herakleia say that he retired to Mount Latmos and give him honour, there being a shrine of Endymion on Latmos." - Pausanias, Description of Greece 5.1.4-5

"This mountain [Mt Latmos] lies above Herakleia [in Lydia], and at a high elevation. At a slight distance away from it, after one has crossed a little river near Latmos, there is to be seen the sepulchre of Endymion, in a cave." - Strabo, Geography 14.1.8

By Endymion, she is the mother of fifty daughters, who represent the fifty lunar months that elapse between each Olympiad. The days of the full and new moon were set aside for her worship. Endymion was a beautiful shepherd boy of Asia Minor. Each night he was kissed to sleep by her. She begged Zeus to grant him eternal life so she might be able to embrace him forever. Endymion was allowed to choose what he would, and he chose to sleep for ever, remaining deathless and ageless. Zeus granted his wish, and every night Selene visits him on Mt. Latmos.

In Rome, Selene's counterpart Luna (the moon) had a temple on the Aventine Hill, with prid. kal. Aprilis (31 March) dedicated to her. It was built in the 6th century B.C. but was destroyed in the Great Fire of Rome under Nero.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73399 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-07
Subject: a.d. VII Id. Feb.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodie est ante diem VII Idus Februarius; haec dies nefastus est.

"The Veientes and Fidenates, who inhabited large and populous cities,
had in the reign of Romulus engaged in a war with the Romans for
command and sovereignty, and after losing many armies in the course of
the war and being punished by the loss of part of their territory,
they had been forced to become subjects of the conquerors; concerning
which I have given a precise account in the preceding Book. But
having enjoyed an uninterrupted peace during the reign of Numa
Pompilius, they had greatly increased in population, wealth and every
other form of prosperity. Elated, therefore, by these advantages, they
again aspired to freedom, assumed a bolder spirit and prepared to
yield obedience to the Romans no longer. For a time, indeed, their
intention of revolting remained undiscovered, but during the Alban war
it became manifest. For when they learned that the Romans had marched
out with all their forces to engaged the Albans, they thought that
they had now got the most favourable opportunity for their attack, and
through their most influential men they entered into a secret
conspiracy. It was arranged that all who were capable of bearing arms
should assemble in Fidenae, going secretly, a few at a time, so as to
escape as far as possible the notice of to against whom the plot was
aimed, and should remain there awaiting the moment when the armies of
the Romans and Albans should quit their camps and march out to battle,
the actual time to be indicated to them by means of signals given by
some scouts posted on the mountains; and as soon as the signals were
raised they were all to take arms and advance in haste against the
combatants (the road leading from Fidenae to the camps was not a long
one, but only a march of two or three hours at most), and appearing on
the battlefield at the time when presumably the conflict would be
over, they were to regard neither side as friends, but whether the
Romans or the Albans had won, were to slay the victors. This was the
plan of action on which the chiefs of those cities had determined.
If, therefore, the Albans, in their contempt for the Romans, had
rushed more boldly into an engagement and had resolved to stake
everything upon the issue of a single battle, nothing could have
hindered the treachery contrived against them from remaining secret
and both their armies from being destroyed. But as it was, their delay
in beginning war, contrary to all expectations, and the length of time
they employed in making their preparations were bringing their foes'
plans to nought. For some of the conspirators, either seeking to
compass their private advantage or envying their leaders and those who
had been the authors of the undertaking or fearing that others might
lay information — a thing which has often happened in conspiracies
where there are many accomplices and the execution is long delayed —
or being compelled by the will of Heaven, which could not consent that
a wicked design should meet with success, informed their enemies of
the treachery." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.6

Valete,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73400 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-07
Subject: Re: Reminder Ludi Apollinares, 2/6/2010, 12:00 pm
C. Petronius omnibus s.p.d.,

What is the program of the Ludi Apollinares, this year?

Valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VII Id. Feb. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73401 From: marcus.lucretius Date: 2010-02-07
Subject: Re: Reminder Ludi Apollinares, 2/6/2010, 12:00 pm
M. Lucretius C. Petronio sal.

All information so far is here: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/MMDCCLXIII/Ludi_Apollinares

bene vale



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius omnibus s.p.d.,
>
> What is the program of the Ludi Apollinares, this year?
>
> Valete.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. VII Id. Feb. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73402 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-08
Subject: a. d. VI Eidus Februarias: The use of februa in purification
M. Moravius Piscinus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Bene omnibus nobis

Hodie est ante diem VI Eidus Februariae; haec dies nefastus est: dies natalis Quirini

"Windy tempests (this way comes)." ~ Columella, De Re Rustica 9.2.16

And so they did over the week-end. The snow storm that hit my area of the country was not unusual. Overnight I had between 12 to 18 inches of snow (30 to 45 cm). We made an ice altar decorated with juniper and candles, and set out candles in the snow where bounding squirrels had left their foot prints, and held a lovely feast to celebrate the winter. But for some reason I was unable to access Yahoo Groups; I don't know what their problem was.

And meanwhile I missed the dies natalis of our Sacerdotus Neptunalis on 5 February.

Felices natalis, Violentilla Galeria Salatrix ! Di tibi dent quae velis.

A very merry, if somewhat belated, birthday. For you, by whose service you partake in the Gods, may the Gods grant what you most desire, and may you dance before the very Gods.

Di Deaeque omnes te ament


PURIFICATION

"The fathers of Rome called purification februa. Many things still indicate that meaning for the word. The pontifices ask the Rex and the Flamen for woollen fillets, called februa in the ancient tongue. When houses are cleansed, the roasted grain and salt, the lictor receives, are called by the same name. The same name too is given to the branch, cut from a pure tree, whose leaves wreathe the sacerdotes' holy brows. I've seen the Flaminica (Dialis) ask for februa, and at her request she was given a branch of pine. In short anything used to purify our bodies, had that title in the days of our unshaven ancestors." ~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2.19-30

February is the month of purification. Varro offers two reasons for the name of the month, both related to purification, and both probably correct.

"[According to Servius Fulvius Flaccus, cons. 135 BCE] 'February' (comes) from the Di inferi, gods of the Underworld, because at that time expiatory sacrifices are made to them, but I think that it was called February rather from the dies februatus (Purification Days), because then the people are purified (februator)." ~ M. Terentius Varro Reatinus, De Lingua Latina 6.34

Varro also said that februa was a Sabine word. The bough of the "arbor pura" to which Ovid referred above was laurel. Another arbor pura is called the Sabine herb. This was savin juniper used for purification rites by women and offered at wedding ceremonies as an incense of purification. The Picea (pitch pine, fir, or faux sapin) is another kind of februa. Pliny mentioned its use in embalming and as a funereal tree (arbor feralis). It was, and still is, used instead of frankincense as a cheap substitute. Ovid says that the flamenica Dialis instead received pinea virga as her februa. This tree, the pinus pinea, was sacred to Juno, and thus used in the rites performed by the flamenica Dialis. The The woolen fillets that Ovid said were received by the pontifices from the Rex Sacrorum and the flamen Dialis were traditionally made by the virgin daughters of the latter two sacerdotes. The wooolen fillets were wound around altars, and worn by sacerdotes, tied around their brows, to signify a state of ritual purity. Whenever someone died in his or her house, and most Romans did, the lictores who were assigned to the flamen Dialis, Vestales, or other sacerdotes, were sent to purify the house. They did so by casting "mica far" that was similar to the mola salsa prepared by the Vestales. That is, it was a salted grain meal, used as a dusting powder and probably then swept up to take away the impurities. What that really meant was that with the approach of death, as one lay in his death bed, Manes might gather in the house. So, like the ceremony that Ovid described for Lemuria, an offering is first made to the unwanted Manes, then it is swept up and buried in some appropriate place as an offering to the Di inferni, and any others who still remained might be chased away with gongs. Fumigations using purifying tress as fuel was another method of purification, and in some cases sulfur was added to the fire as a februa. Finally, the hides of sacrificial animals were used as februa in some rites, such as the skin of a sheep sacrificed at a confarreatio marriage ceremony, on which the bride and groom were seated; one sheep hide draped over two chairs to signify their union. One particular example are the straps of skin cut from the sacrificial goat and worn by the lurperci were also called februa. As the luperci ran at Lupercalia, the februa tied at their wastes, anyone touched by these straps were purified. And for women, if purified before the Gods, they would receive divine assistance in becoming fertile. Often the Lupercalia is misperceived as a fertility ritual, but the only reason that this is so construed is how the Romans believed, even into the Christian era, that female purity related to her ability to bear children. In a sense, it was thought that bearing children was a proof of a woman's chastity and purity. The purification ritual of Lupercali, as Varro tells us, was another reason for the name given to this month. "In short, anything used to purify our bodies" is called februa.


AUC 328 /325 BCE: The dictator L. Papirius Cursor defeats the Samnites in the Second Samnite War

"When the health of the army was completely restored he gave battle to the enemy, both he and his men feeling quite confident of victory, and he so completely defeated and routed the Samnites that this was the last occasion on which they ventured on a regular engagement with the Dictator. After this the victorious army advanced in every direction where there was any prospect of plunder, but wherever they marched they found no armed force; they were nowhere openly attacked or surprised from ambush. They showed all the greater alertness because the Dictator had issued an order that the whole of the spoil was to be given to the soldiers; the chance of private gain stimulated their warlike spirit quite as much as the consciousness that they were avenging the wrongs of their country. Cowed by these defeats, the Samnites made overtures for peace and gave the Dictator an undertaking to supply each of the soldiers with a set of garments and a year's pay. On his referring them to the senate they replied that they would follow him to Rome and trust their cause solely to his honour and rectitude. The army was thereupon withdrawn from Samnium." ~ Titus Livius 8.36


AUC 460 / 293 BCE: L. Papirius Cursor, son of the dictator, holds a triumph and dedicates the Temple of Quirinus, vowed by his father, during the Third Samnite War.

"Everything was now deep in snow, and it was impossible to remain any longer in the open, so the consul withdrew his army from Samnium. On his approach to Rome a triumph was granted to him by universal consent. This triumph, which he celebrated while still in office, was a very brilliant one for those days. The infantry and cavalry who marched in the procession were conspicuous with their decorations, many were wearing civic, mural, and vallarian crowns. The spoils of the Samnites attracted much attention; their splendour and beauty were compared with those which the consul's father had won, and which were familiar to all through their being used as decorations of public places. Amongst those in the victor's train were some prisoners of high rank distinguished for their own or their fathers' military services; there were also carried in the procession 2,533,000 bronze ases, stated to be the proceeds of the sale of the prisoners, and 1830 pounds of silver taken from the cities. All the silver and bronze was stored in the treasury, none of this was given to the soldiers. This created dissatisfaction amongst the plebs, which was aggravated by the collection of the war tax to provide the soldiers' pay, for if Papirius had not been so anxious to get the credit of paying the price of the prisoners into the treasury there would have been enough to make a gift to the soldiers and also to furnish their pay. He dedicated the temple of Quirinus. I do not find in any ancient author that it was he who vowed this temple in the crisis of a battle, and certainly he could not have completed it in so short a time; it was vowed by his father when Dictator, and the son dedicated it when consul. and adorned it with the spoils of the enemy. There was such a vast quantity of these that not only were the temple and the Forum adorned with them, but they were distributed amongst the allied peoples and the nearest colonies to decorate their public spaces and temples. After his triumph Papirius led his army into the neighbourhood of Vescia, as that district was still infested by the Samnites, and there he wintered." ~ Titus Livius 10.46


Our thought for today comes from Epicurus, Vatican 23

"Every friendship in itself is to be desired; but the initial cause of friendship is from its advantages."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73403 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Re: Reminder Ludi Apollinares, 2/6/2010, 12:00 pm
M. Hortensia C. Petronio M. Lucretio spd;
I'm writing to different groups so they will get involved too, the various provincae in their own languages, though one day we will all speak Latin!
vale
Maior

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> M. Lucretius C. Petronio sal.
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> > C. Petronius omnibus s.p.d.,
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> > What is the program of the Ludi Apollinares, this year?
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> > Valete.
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> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a.d. VII Id. Feb. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73404 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: a. d. V Eidus Februarias: Considerations on Februa
M. Moravius Piscinus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:

Hodie est ante diem V Eidus Februariae; haec dies nefastus est:

"Five days after the Nones, when Venus, the Morning Star, has lifted its brightness from the ocean waves, these are the first days of spring. But don't be misled: cold days are still in wait for you, departing winter leaves sharp traces behind." ~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2.149-152

"As soon as (Favonius) begins to prevail, it indicates that the time has arrived for pruning the vine, weeding the corn, planting trees, grafting fruit-trees, and trimming the olive, for its breezes are productive of the most nutritious effects." ~ Pliny NH 18.77

CONSIDERATIONS ON FEBRUA

Many different articles of nature were believed to have a purifying effect, each for their own reason, while other things were thought to have a polluting effect. Often times it was the situation, or the ritual being performed, or the person performing the rite, or the place from whence it came that might determine whether something was februa or something else. According to Livy, in their rites the Fetiales, for example, were touched on the forehead with special herbs taken from the grounds of the Capitolium. It was where they grew, in the precinct of Jupiter, that made these herbs so special as to become februa. Pliny tells us that the herb was vervain (verbena officinalis)and that it was "borne in the hands of fetiales when treating with the enemy, with this (herb) that the table of Jupiter is cleansed, with this that houses are purified and due expiation made (Pliny, Hist. Nat. 25.59)." Other herbs that Pliny mentions for ritual use are the peony in rites for Faunus, henbane for rites of Hercules, centaury, Asculapius weed, moly, Mercuralis and several other herbs, as well as various trees sacred to one deity or another. Myrtle, being one of these trees, was sacred to Venus and thus used in rites for Her. But for that very reason, myrtle was prohibited from rites for Fauna and the Bona Dea. The olive tree is sacred to Minerva Medica, the laurel sacred to Apollo Medicus, and thus both would be used in rites of purification performed in conjunction with healing rites. But being sacred trees, and februa for rites involving celestial deities, the use of olive-wood and laurel was strictly forbidden from rites of purification that involved the Manes. Another example is the arbutus used to anoint a door in a purification ritual meant to protect a house against witchcraft. "Quickly she touched the doorposts, one after the other, three times, with arbutus leaves, three times with arbutus marked the threshold: sprinkled the entrance with water, medicinal water, while holding the entrails of a two-month sow." This rite was further enhanced by a "rod of Janus" which was a thorn of the whitethorn tree used as a talisman to keep the strigae at bay (see Ovid, Fasti 6.131-168).

Water is the premier februa as it is used in all rituals to cleanse an area, an altar, impliments, offerings and persons. Yet it could not be just any water. Pure water, intended for ritual use, must come flowing from a natural source. Water that is carried by pipes from reservoirs is ritually impure. So one had to collect water from springs, streams, or rivers, but not just any source. The River Tiber is often mentioned in purification rites. It flows to the sea and thus carried evil away from Rome. An example of this followed the sack of Rome in 390 BCE when the debris of the City's destruction was thrown into the Tiber to purify the City and its shrines of the foreign contagion. Its use in this way came each year at Vestalia when the purgamina was throw into the Tiber. For the same reason, people would wash themselves in the Tiber as a purification ritual, or at least asperse themselves with its water. Thus we find Claudia Quinta wet her hair three times before praying to Magna Mater (Ovid, Fasti 4.305-328). Vestals accused of wrong-doing likewise purified themselves beside the River Tiber to demonstrate their purity. And a Sabine, come to Rome to sacrifice an exceptional white bull at the Temple of Diana, is told that he must first purify himself in the Tiber (Livy 1.45.6-7). In contrast, we see Horace describing evil rites of black magic where the witch Sagana asperse a house that she intends to curse with stagnant water drawn from Lake Avernus, a crater lake that was believed to be a gateway to Hades because of its sulfurous nature (Horace, Epode 5.25-26). The waters of Avernus is also mentioned in the dark rite of Dido, along with "soft herbs cut by moonlight with a blade of bronze, oozing black poison-sap (Virgil, Aen. 4.511-518)."

With the rite of Dido is another point brought up, the conditions under which februa is gathered. Some februa, like mola salsa or the woolen fillets used by sacerdotes to purify altars and themselves, had to be produced by virgin daughters, or by the Vestales Virgines in the case of certain sacerdotes. Herbs gathered for ritual use were ritually collected. Peony had to be gathered at night, as other poisonous plants were likewise gathered usually at night. Concentric circles were drawn around some plants before collecting them. This is most known to have been practiced with mandragora as the practice continued into Medieval times, but classic authors mention the same with other plants. Pliny mentions approaching some herbs from different directions, depending on the wind as a guide. And prayers were spoken to the genius of the plant before it was gathered for ritual use, much as the genius of the River Tiber was prayed to before ritually partaking of His waters. Some examples of such prayers follow.

"Vettonica, who first was discovered by Aesculapius, I pray, may you attend these prayers; of all the herbs will you be called great for this, that he has command you to be created and many remedies to offer. These you will think worthy to be forty-two (Appel no. 109: Iberian foxtail betony)."

"Proserpina's herb, king Horcus' daughter, in the same way as you have blocked off the birth of a she-mule, thus may you hold back this water and blood (Appel no. 105: penny royal)."

"Herb Eriphia, come to my begging and may your glad powers be close at hand, and by her, who Aesculapius or else the centaur Chiron, the great doctor of medicine, discovered in you, will all be most healthy (Appel no. 111: lesser centaury)."

Thus, in considering what to use as februa, some of the considerations to keep in mind are what it is, to which God or Goddess is it dedicated (and for which deities it might be prohibited), how it is gathered, from where it is gathered (whether from a templum or some profane place), under what conditions it is gathered (day, night, the hour, storms, wind direction), using what impliments to gather it (usually bronze), in a ritual manner that requests permission to gather it from its individual genius, and perhaps most importantly, its intended use. All of these considerations determine what is or is not februa for any given occasion.


AUC 696 / 57 BCE: Cato inveighs against Pompeius Magnus

"On the 9th of February, the Senate, meeting in the temple of Apollo, passed a decree "that what had taken place on the 7th of February was treasonable." On this day Cato warmly inveighed against Pompey, and throughout his speech arraigned him as though he were at the bar. He said a great deal about me, to my disgust, though it was in very laudatory terms. When he attacked Pompey's perfidy to me, he was listened to in profound silence on the part of my enemies. Pompey answered him boldly with a palpable allusion to Crassus, and said outright that 'he would take better precautions to protect his life than Africanus (Scipio Aemilianus) had done, whom C. Carbo had assassinated (129 BCE).' Accordingly, important events appear to me to be in the wind. For Pompey understands what is going on, and imparts to me that plots are being formed against his life, that Gaius Cato is being supported by Crassus, that money is being supplied to Clodius, that both are backed by Crassus and Curio, as well as by Bibulus and his other detractors: that he must take extraordinary precautions to prevent being overpowered by that demagogue - with a people all but wholly alienated, a nobility hostile, a senate ill-affected, and the younger men corrupt. So he is making his preparations and summoning men from the country. On his part, Clodius is rallying his gangs: a body of men is being got together for the Quirinalia. For that occasion we are considerably in a majority, owing to the forces brought up by Pompey himself: and a large contingent is expected from Picenum and Gallia, to enable us to throw out Cato's bills also about Milo and Lentulus." ~ M. Tullius Cicero, Epist. Ad Quint. 2.3

Just months earlier Pompeius had entered Rome in triumph. It was then that the crowds first hailed him as Magnus and when he was at the height of his popularity. In 57 BCE he was given commission over Rome's food supply for five years and had Cicero returned from exile. Caesar would be away campaigning in Belgica this year. This left Crassus and Pompeius to wrestle each other for control of the City. Politically it became a tumultuous year. The one person opposing the schemes of both Pompeius and Crassus was Cato. A rather clever maneuver sent Cato away.

"A law was carried that Cyprus should be organized as a province and the royal funds should be confiscated, and Marcus [Porcius] Cato was sent to administer the matter." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 104.6

However, Cato still had friends and family even while he was away. Gaius Cato was elected tribune and would veto the elections. Marcus Cato would return to run for the praetorship, but was defeated by Vatinius. In the following year (55 BCE), "When this same man [Gaius Cato] tried to obstruct a law in which provinces were allotted to the consuls for five years (Hispania to Pompey, Syria and the Parthian war to Crassus), he was put into irons by tribune Gaius Trebonius, who had proposed the law (Perioche 105.3)." Cicero returned in 57 BCE supported by Pompeius, and he in turn supporting Pompeius, thinking that all would soon be set right at Rome with the ascendancy of his patron Pomeius Magnus. In hindsight it is now seen how in its 450th year the seeds were planted that would unravel the Republic.


Our thought for today is from the Emperor Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 5.22:

"That which does no harm to the state, does no harm to the citizen. In the case of every appearance of harm apply this rule: if the state is not harmed by this, neither am I harmed. But if the state is harmed, you must not be angry with him who does harm to the state. Instead show him where his error is."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73405 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Re: Reminder Ludi Apollinares, 2/6/2010, 12:00 pm
Salvete Praetrices Equestria Laeca et Marca Maior

Known for being a remarkably bad poet, and having no musical abilities, my horrible singing eclipsed only by my unbearable poetry, I suppose I shall have to paint. I have begun a diptych in caustic on clay tabulae of Asculapius and Hygenia, perhaps by Sextilius I shall even be able to finish them.

Valete optime
M. Moravius Piscinus

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> M. Lucretius C. Petronio sal.
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> All information so far is here: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/MMDCCLXIII/Ludi_Apollinares
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>
>
>
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> > C. Petronius omnibus s.p.d.,
> >
> > What is the program of the Ludi Apollinares, this year?
> >
> > Valete.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a.d. VII Id. Feb. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73406 From: Gaius Aurelius Vindex Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: INFO
Salvete Novi Romani
vi trasmetto interessante informazione

Valete Bene
C.Aurelius Vindex
Progetto "I Salone dell'Editoria Archeologica"
Redazione Archaeogate, 27-01-2010
Il progetto I Salone dell'editoria archeologica, promosso dalla Ediarché Srl
consiste nella realizzazione di una fiera espositiva e manifestazione
culturale avente come protagonista principale il libro di archeologia
intorno al quale è prevista l'organizzazione di una serie di eventi legati
all'editoria e all'archeologia.
La manifestazione si terrà a Roma dal 20 al 23 Maggio presso il Museo
Nazionale Preistorico Etnografico "L. Pigorini", sede dell
esposizione-vendita di libri di archeologia, storia e storia dell'arte
antica, all'interno di stand espositivi.

La prestigiosa istituzione pubblica è al servizio della società
multiculturale e del suo sviluppo civile, impegnata nella ricerca, nella
salvaguardia e nella promozione della comunicazione - a fini conoscitivi,
educativi e ricreativi - del patrimonio materiale e immateriale d'interesse
paletnologico ed etnoantropologico.
Un ricco programma di eventi collaterali di elevato valore culturale
accompagna l'esposizione-vendita.
Nel presente progetto, il I Salone dell'editoria archeologica si fa luogo di
incontro e scambio culturale tra case editrici specializzate e operatori del
settore, Istituzioni, Enti Pubblici, Musei, Università, Centri di ricerca,
Società e Cooperative archeologiche, Agenzie specializzate nel Turismo
culturale, Associazioni Culturali, fino a coinvolgere gli appassionati e i
curiosi dell'antichità.

Gli stand delle case editrici, nel percorso espositivo organizzato,
usufruiscono di un suggestivo scenario creato dall'esposizione di reperti
archeologici o immagini fotografiche messe a disposizione da musei o case d
arte; in aggiunta si inserisce, nel contesto museale e dunque espositivo
prescelto, anche l'esposizione del materiale archeologico recuperato dal
Gruppo Tutela Patrimonio Archeologico del Nucleo Polizia Tributaria di Roma
della Guardia di Finanza (di cui è già stata resa esplicita la
disponibilità) e dal Comando dei Carabinieri Tutela Patrimonio Culturale;
infine, il percorso prevede anche un'area espositiva dedicata all
archeologia marittima e a tecnologie multimediali legate ai Beni Culturali.

Il Museo "L. Pigorini" si fa quindi luogo di incontro e scambio culturale tra case editrici specializzate e operatori del settore, Istituzioni, Enti pubblici, Musei, Università, Centri di ricerca, fino a coinvolgere gli appassionati di antichità, presentando loro un'esposizione finalizzata alla promozione e vendita di libri di archeologia, storia e storia dell'arte, romanzi storici, volumi antichi, strumentazioni, tecnologie legate all'archeologia.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73407 From: Gaius Aurelius Vindex Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Info
Salvete Novi Romani,
trasmetto link sito interessante
Valete Bene
CAV
http://www.archaeogate.org/classica/

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Salvete Novi Romani
trasmetto link interessante
Valete Bene
C.Aurelius Vindex
http://www.parchilagomaggiore.it/archeo.htm

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73409 From: Gaius Aurelius Vindex Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: INFO
Salvete Novi Romani
interessante articolo
Valete Bene
C.Aurelius Vindex

Baia, il satellite riscopre un teatro romano

Scritto da Corriere del Mezzogiorno, 12-01-2010 00:00
Pagina vista : 134
Pubblicato in : Ritrovamenti, Ritrovamenti nel Mediterraneo

A pochi metri dalla costa visibili gli antichi resti della cavea della Villa
di Cesare
Opera d'età imperiale nei fondali del castello aragonese
NAPOLI - Era il lontano 1956, quando Raimondo Bucher - ufficiale pilota da
caccia – scoprì durante una ricognizione aerea, giacere a soli pochi metri
dalla linea di costa, un'intera città romana collocata sui fondali del golfo
di Pozzuoli. Come ebbe a dire poco dopo, durante un'intervista: «Era da poco
passata la guerra, uscivo di pattuglia sul mare partendo dall'aeroporto di
Capodichino. Dall'alto, in una giornata caratterizzata dalla straordinaria
limpidezza del cielo e del mare, intravidi forme sottomarine simmetriche e
regolari. Incuriosito, decisi pertanto di scattare dal cielo alcune
fotografie, che ancora oggi restano per la loro limpidezza, testimonianza
ineguagliata. Dopo lo sviluppo ebbi la sconcertante sorpresa: dalle stampe
apparvero nella loro chiarezza quelle che inequivocabilmente erano mura,
strade, e costruzioni di un'antica città sommersa. Erano i resti della
antica città romana di Baia».

L'articolo completo è disponibile qui:
http://corrieredelmezzogiorno.corriere.it/napoli/notizie/arte_e_cultura/2010/12-gennaio-2010/baia-satellite-riscopre-teatro-romano-1602276819530.shtml

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73410 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Apollo
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

"I will remember and not be unmindful of Apollo who shoots afar. As he
goes through the house of Zeus, the gods tremble before him and all
spring up from their seats when he draws near, as he bends his bright
bow. But Leto alone stays by the side of Zeus who delights in thunder;
and then she unstrings his bow, and closes his quiver, and takes his
archery from his strong shoulders in her hands and hangs them on a
golden peg against a pillar of his father's house. Then she leads him
to a seat and makes him sit: and the Father gives him nectar in a
golden cup welcoming his dear son, while the other gods make him sit
down there, and queenly Leto rejoices because she bare a mighty son
and an archer. Rejoice, blessed Leto, for you bare glorious children,
the lord Apollo and Artemis who delights in arrows; her in Ortygia,
and him in rocky Delos, as you rested against the great mass of the
Cynthian hill hard by a palm-tree by the streams of Inopus." - Homer,
Hymn to the Delian Apollo

In ancient Greece, today was dedicated to Apollo. The son of Zeus and
Leto and the twin brother of Artemis. Apollo was the god of music
(principally the lyre, and he directed the choir of the Muses) and
also of prophecy, colonization, medicine, archery (but not for war or
hunting), poetry, dance, intellectual inquiry and the carer of herds
and flocks. He was also a god of light, known as "Phoebus" (radiant or
beaming, and he was sometimes identified with Helios the sun god). He
was also the god of plague and was worshiped as Smintheus (from
sminthos, rat) and as Parnopius (from parnops, grasshopper) and was
known as the destroyer of rats and locusts, and according to Homer's
Iliad, Apollo shot arrows of plague into the Greek camp. Apollo being
the god of religious healing would give those guilty of murder and
other immoral deeds a ritual purification. Sacred to Apollo are the
swan (one legend says that Apollo flew on the back of a swan to the
land of the Hyperboreans and he would spend the winter months among
them), the wolf and the dolphin. His attributes are the bow and
arrows, on his head a laurel crown, and the cithara (or lyre) and
plectrum. But his most famous attribute is the tripod, the symbol of
his prophetic powers.

When the goddesss Hera, the wife of Zeus (it was he who had coupled
with Leto) found out about Leto's pregnancy, she was outraged with
jealousy. Seeking revenge Hera forced Leto to roam the earth in search
of a place to give birth. Since Hera had forbidden Leto to stay
anywhere on earth, either on terra firma or an island at sea, the only
place to seek shelter was Delos, being in the center of the Aegean,
and also difficult to reach, as there were strong under-currents,
because it was said to be a floating island. Because it was a floating
island, it was not considered either of Hera's prohibitions, and so
Leto was able to give birth to the divine twins Apollo and Artemis
(before Leto gave birth to Apollo, the island was encircled by a flock
of swans, this is why the swan was sacred to him). As a gesture of
thanks Delos was secured to the sea-bed by four columns to give it
stability, and from then on it became one of the most important
sanctuaries to Apollo.

"I sprang upon the ship in the form of a dolphin, pray to me as Apollo
Delphinius; also the altar itself shall be called Delphinius ..." -
Homer, Hymn to the Pythian Apollo 493

Apollo's first achievement was to rid Pytho (Delphi) of the serpent
(or dragon) Python. This monstrous beast protected the sanctuary of
Pytho from its lair beside the Castalian Spring. There it stood guard
while the "Sibyl" gave out her prophecies as she inhaled the trance
inducing vapors from an open chasm. Apollo killed Python with his bow
and arrows (Homer wrote "he killed the fearsome dragon Python,
piercing it with his darts"). Apollo not only took charge of the
oracle but rid the neighboring countryside of widespread destruction,
as Python had destroyed crops, sacked villages and polluted streams
and springs. However, to make amends for killing Python, as the
fearsome beast was the son of Gaia, Apollo had to serve king Admetus
for nine years (in some versions eight) as a cowherd. This he did, and
when he returned to Pytho he came in the guise of a dolphin bringing
with him priests from Crete (Apollo's cult title "Delphinios" meaning
dolphin or porpoise, is probably how Delphi was so named). After
killing Python and taking possession of the oracle, the god of light
(Phobus) became known as "Pythian Apollo". He dedicated a bronze
tripod to the sanctuary and bestowed divine powers on one of the
priestesses, and she became known as the "Pythia". It was she who
inhaled the hallucinating vapors from the fissure in the temple floor,
while she sat on a tripod chewing laurel leaves. After she mumbled her
answer, a male priest would translate it for the supplicant. Delphi
became the most important oracle center of Apollo, there were several
including Clarus and Branchidae.

Apollo, as with Zeus his father, had many love affairs with goddesses
and mortals. Apollo's infatuation for the nymph Daphne, which had been
invoked by the young god of love Eros, because Apollo had mocked him,
saying his archery skills were pathetic, and Apollo's singing had also
irritated him. Daphne was the beautiful daughter of the river god
Ladon, and she was constantly pursued by Apollo. To escape from
Apollo's insistent behavior, she fled to the mountains, but the
persistent Apollo followed her. Annoyed by this, she asked the river
god Peneus for help, which he did. As soon as Apollo approached
Daphne, he tried to embrace her, but when he stretched out his arms
she transformed into a laurel tree. Apollo, distraught by what had
happened, made the laurel his sacred tree. Apollo also loved Cyrene,
she was another nymph, and she bore Apollo a son: Aristaeus, a
demi-god, who became a protector of cattle and fruit trees, and a
deity of hunting, husbandry and bee-keeping. He taught men dairy
skills and the use of nets and traps in hunting.

The most famous mortal loves of Apollo was Hecuba, she was the wife of
Priam, the king of Troy. She bore him Troilius. Foretold by an oracle,
as long as Troilius reached the age of twenty, Troy could not be
defeated. But the hero Achilles ambushed and killed him, when the
young prince and his sister Polyxena secretly visited a spring. Apollo
also fell in love with Cassandra, the sister of Troilius, and daughter
of Hecuba and Priam. He seduced Cassandra on the promise that he would
teach her the art of prophecy, but having learnt the prophetic art she
rejected him. Apollo, being angry of her rejection punished her, by
declaring her prophecies never to be accepted or believed.

Asclepius, the god of healing, was also Apollo's offspring, after his
union with Coronis, who was daughter of Phlegyas, king of the Lapiths.
While she was pregnant by Apollo, Coronis fell in love with Ischys,
son of Elatus, but a crow informed Apollo of the affair. Apollo sent
his twin sister Artemis to kill Coronis, and Artemis carried out he
brothers wishes. While her body was burning on the funeral pyre,
Apollo removed the unborn child, and took him to Chiron, who raised
the child Asclepius.

Apollo also, as did his father Zeus, fall in love with one of his own
gender, Hyacinthus, a Spartan prince. He was very handsome and
athletic, which inflamed the passions of Apollo. One day while Apollo
and Hyacinthus were practicing throwing the discus, Zephyrus, the god
of the west wind, who was also attracted to the young prince, and
jealous of Apollo's amorous affection towards the boy, made the discus
veer off course by blowing an ill wind. The discus, which Apollo had
thrown, hit Hyacinthus, smashing his skull. Apollo rushed to him, but
he was dead. The god was overcome with grief, but to immortalize the
love he had for the beautiful youth, he had a flower grow were his
blood had stained the earth. Apollo also loved the young boy
Cyparissus, a descendant of Heracles. The impassioned Apollo gave
Cyparissus a sacred deer, as a love token. The young deer became tame,
and was the constant companion of the boy, until a tragic accident
occurred. As the young deer lay sleeping in the shade of the
undergrowth, Cyparissus threw his javelin, which by chance hit, and
killed the deer. Grief-stricken by what had happened, Cyparissus
wanted to die. He asked Apollo to let his tears fall for all eternity.
With apprehension Apollo transformed the boy into a tree, the cypress,
which became the symbol of sorrow, as the sap on its trunk forms
droplets, like tears.

Apollo could also be ruthless when he was angered. The mortal Niobe,
boasted to Apollo's mother Leto, that she had fourteen children (in
some versions six or seven), which must make her more superior than
Leto, who had only bore two. Apollo greatly angered by this slew her
sons, and Artemis killed Niobe's daughters. Niobe wept so much that
she turned into a pillar of stone. Apollo was infuriated when the
satyr Marsyas challenged Apollo to music contest. After winning the
competition, Apollo had Marsyas flayed alive, for being so
presumptuous, as to challenge a god.

Apollo was worshiped throughout the Greek world, and at Delphi every
four years they held the Pythian Games in his honor. He had many
epithets, including "Pythian Apollo" (his name at Delphi), "Apollo
Apotropaeus" (Apollo who averts evil), and "Apollo Nymphegetes"
(Apollo who looks after the Nymphs). As the god of shepherds he also
had the cult titles "Lukeios" (from lykos; wolf), protecting the
flocks from wolfs, and "Nomius" (of pastures, belonging to shepherds).
Being the god of colonists, Apollo influenced his priests at Delphi to
give divine guidance, as to where the expedition should proceed. This
was during the height of the colonizing era circa 750-550 BCE.
Apollo's title was "Archigetes" (leader of colonists). According to
one legend, it was Apollo who helped either Cretan or Arcadian
colonists found the city of Troy.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73411 From: David Kling Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Re: Apollo
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit

I copied and pasted some of what you posted below into Google and came up
with a listing of Apollo on Encyclopedia Mythica:
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/apollo.html

Also included there is: � MCMXCV - MMVI Encyclopedia Mythica�. All rights
reserved.

Copying text without citing the reference is NOT a good thing. If you want
to post these why not simply post the link? Or if you must include the text
at LEAST cite where you got it. Or do you want people to think that you
wrote all of this?

Vale;

Modianus


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

>
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> "I will remember and not be unmindful of Apollo who shoots afar. As he
> goes through the house of Zeus, the gods tremble before him and all
> spring up from their seats when he draws near, as he bends his bright
> bow. But Leto alone stays by the side of Zeus who delights in thunder;
> and then she unstrings his bow, and closes his quiver, and takes his
> archery from his strong shoulders in her hands and hangs them on a
> golden peg against a pillar of his father's house. Then she leads him
> to a seat and makes him sit: and the Father gives him nectar in a
> golden cup welcoming his dear son, while the other gods make him sit
> down there, and queenly Leto rejoices because she bare a mighty son
> and an archer. Rejoice, blessed Leto, for you bare glorious children,
> the lord Apollo and Artemis who delights in arrows; her in Ortygia,
> and him in rocky Delos, as you rested against the great mass of the
> Cynthian hill hard by a palm-tree by the streams of Inopus." - Homer,
> Hymn to the Delian Apollo
>
> In ancient Greece, today was dedicated to Apollo. The son of Zeus and
> Leto and the twin brother of Artemis. Apollo was the god of music
> (principally the lyre, and he directed the choir of the Muses) and
> also of prophecy, colonization, medicine, archery (but not for war or
> hunting), poetry, dance, intellectual inquiry and the carer of herds
> and flocks. He was also a god of light, known as "Phoebus" (radiant or
> beaming, and he was sometimes identified with Helios the sun god). He
> was also the god of plague and was worshiped as Smintheus (from
> sminthos, rat) and as Parnopius (from parnops, grasshopper) and was
> known as the destroyer of rats and locusts, and according to Homer's
> Iliad, Apollo shot arrows of plague into the Greek camp. Apollo being
> the god of religious healing would give those guilty of murder and
> other immoral deeds a ritual purification. Sacred to Apollo are the
> swan (one legend says that Apollo flew on the back of a swan to the
> land of the Hyperboreans and he would spend the winter months among
> them), the wolf and the dolphin. His attributes are the bow and
> arrows, on his head a laurel crown, and the cithara (or lyre) and
> plectrum. But his most famous attribute is the tripod, the symbol of
> his prophetic powers.
>
> When the goddesss Hera, the wife of Zeus (it was he who had coupled
> with Leto) found out about Leto's pregnancy, she was outraged with
> jealousy. Seeking revenge Hera forced Leto to roam the earth in search
> of a place to give birth. Since Hera had forbidden Leto to stay
> anywhere on earth, either on terra firma or an island at sea, the only
> place to seek shelter was Delos, being in the center of the Aegean,
> and also difficult to reach, as there were strong under-currents,
> because it was said to be a floating island. Because it was a floating
> island, it was not considered either of Hera's prohibitions, and so
> Leto was able to give birth to the divine twins Apollo and Artemis
> (before Leto gave birth to Apollo, the island was encircled by a flock
> of swans, this is why the swan was sacred to him). As a gesture of
> thanks Delos was secured to the sea-bed by four columns to give it
> stability, and from then on it became one of the most important
> sanctuaries to Apollo.
>
> "I sprang upon the ship in the form of a dolphin, pray to me as Apollo
> Delphinius; also the altar itself shall be called Delphinius ..." -
> Homer, Hymn to the Pythian Apollo 493
>
> Apollo's first achievement was to rid Pytho (Delphi) of the serpent
> (or dragon) Python. This monstrous beast protected the sanctuary of
> Pytho from its lair beside the Castalian Spring. There it stood guard
> while the "Sibyl" gave out her prophecies as she inhaled the trance
> inducing vapors from an open chasm. Apollo killed Python with his bow
> and arrows (Homer wrote "he killed the fearsome dragon Python,
> piercing it with his darts"). Apollo not only took charge of the
> oracle but rid the neighboring countryside of widespread destruction,
> as Python had destroyed crops, sacked villages and polluted streams
> and springs. However, to make amends for killing Python, as the
> fearsome beast was the son of Gaia, Apollo had to serve king Admetus
> for nine years (in some versions eight) as a cowherd. This he did, and
> when he returned to Pytho he came in the guise of a dolphin bringing
> with him priests from Crete (Apollo's cult title "Delphinios" meaning
> dolphin or porpoise, is probably how Delphi was so named). After
> killing Python and taking possession of the oracle, the god of light
> (Phobus) became known as "Pythian Apollo". He dedicated a bronze
> tripod to the sanctuary and bestowed divine powers on one of the
> priestesses, and she became known as the "Pythia". It was she who
> inhaled the hallucinating vapors from the fissure in the temple floor,
> while she sat on a tripod chewing laurel leaves. After she mumbled her
> answer, a male priest would translate it for the supplicant. Delphi
> became the most important oracle center of Apollo, there were several
> including Clarus and Branchidae.
>
> Apollo, as with Zeus his father, had many love affairs with goddesses
> and mortals. Apollo's infatuation for the nymph Daphne, which had been
> invoked by the young god of love Eros, because Apollo had mocked him,
> saying his archery skills were pathetic, and Apollo's singing had also
> irritated him. Daphne was the beautiful daughter of the river god
> Ladon, and she was constantly pursued by Apollo. To escape from
> Apollo's insistent behavior, she fled to the mountains, but the
> persistent Apollo followed her. Annoyed by this, she asked the river
> god Peneus for help, which he did. As soon as Apollo approached
> Daphne, he tried to embrace her, but when he stretched out his arms
> she transformed into a laurel tree. Apollo, distraught by what had
> happened, made the laurel his sacred tree. Apollo also loved Cyrene,
> she was another nymph, and she bore Apollo a son: Aristaeus, a
> demi-god, who became a protector of cattle and fruit trees, and a
> deity of hunting, husbandry and bee-keeping. He taught men dairy
> skills and the use of nets and traps in hunting.
>
> The most famous mortal loves of Apollo was Hecuba, she was the wife of
> Priam, the king of Troy. She bore him Troilius. Foretold by an oracle,
> as long as Troilius reached the age of twenty, Troy could not be
> defeated. But the hero Achilles ambushed and killed him, when the
> young prince and his sister Polyxena secretly visited a spring. Apollo
> also fell in love with Cassandra, the sister of Troilius, and daughter
> of Hecuba and Priam. He seduced Cassandra on the promise that he would
> teach her the art of prophecy, but having learnt the prophetic art she
> rejected him. Apollo, being angry of her rejection punished her, by
> declaring her prophecies never to be accepted or believed.
>
> Asclepius, the god of healing, was also Apollo's offspring, after his
> union with Coronis, who was daughter of Phlegyas, king of the Lapiths.
> While she was pregnant by Apollo, Coronis fell in love with Ischys,
> son of Elatus, but a crow informed Apollo of the affair. Apollo sent
> his twin sister Artemis to kill Coronis, and Artemis carried out he
> brothers wishes. While her body was burning on the funeral pyre,
> Apollo removed the unborn child, and took him to Chiron, who raised
> the child Asclepius.
>
> Apollo also, as did his father Zeus, fall in love with one of his own
> gender, Hyacinthus, a Spartan prince. He was very handsome and
> athletic, which inflamed the passions of Apollo. One day while Apollo
> and Hyacinthus were practicing throwing the discus, Zephyrus, the god
> of the west wind, who was also attracted to the young prince, and
> jealous of Apollo's amorous affection towards the boy, made the discus
> veer off course by blowing an ill wind. The discus, which Apollo had
> thrown, hit Hyacinthus, smashing his skull. Apollo rushed to him, but
> he was dead. The god was overcome with grief, but to immortalize the
> love he had for the beautiful youth, he had a flower grow were his
> blood had stained the earth. Apollo also loved the young boy
> Cyparissus, a descendant of Heracles. The impassioned Apollo gave
> Cyparissus a sacred deer, as a love token. The young deer became tame,
> and was the constant companion of the boy, until a tragic accident
> occurred. As the young deer lay sleeping in the shade of the
> undergrowth, Cyparissus threw his javelin, which by chance hit, and
> killed the deer. Grief-stricken by what had happened, Cyparissus
> wanted to die. He asked Apollo to let his tears fall for all eternity.
> With apprehension Apollo transformed the boy into a tree, the cypress,
> which became the symbol of sorrow, as the sap on its trunk forms
> droplets, like tears.
>
> Apollo could also be ruthless when he was angered. The mortal Niobe,
> boasted to Apollo's mother Leto, that she had fourteen children (in
> some versions six or seven), which must make her more superior than
> Leto, who had only bore two. Apollo greatly angered by this slew her
> sons, and Artemis killed Niobe's daughters. Niobe wept so much that
> she turned into a pillar of stone. Apollo was infuriated when the
> satyr Marsyas challenged Apollo to music contest. After winning the
> competition, Apollo had Marsyas flayed alive, for being so
> presumptuous, as to challenge a god.
>
> Apollo was worshiped throughout the Greek world, and at Delphi every
> four years they held the Pythian Games in his honor. He had many
> epithets, including "Pythian Apollo" (his name at Delphi), "Apollo
> Apotropaeus" (Apollo who averts evil), and "Apollo Nymphegetes"
> (Apollo who looks after the Nymphs). As the god of shepherds he also
> had the cult titles "Lukeios" (from lykos; wolf), protecting the
> flocks from wolfs, and "Nomius" (of pastures, belonging to shepherds).
> Being the god of colonists, Apollo influenced his priests at Delphi to
> give divine guidance, as to where the expedition should proceed. This
> was during the height of the colonizing era circa 750-550 BCE.
> Apollo's title was "Archigetes" (leader of colonists). According to
> one legend, it was Apollo who helped either Cretan or Arcadian
> colonists found the city of Troy.
>
> Valete bene!
>
> Cato
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73412 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Re: Apollo
Cato Modiano sal.

hmmmm ... in the original (which I copied and pasted from this date in 2006) the links existed. I don't know why they didn't show up here when I pasted it. But here they are:


"SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Apollo
(http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/apollomyth/) and
(http://forum.kusadasi.biz/thread32.html) "

Vale!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
>
> I copied and pasted some of what you posted below into Google and came up
> with a listing of Apollo on Encyclopedia Mythica:
> http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/apollo.html
>
> Also included there is: © MCMXCV - MMVI Encyclopedia Mythica™. All rights
> reserved.
>
> Copying text without citing the reference is NOT a good thing. If you want
> to post these why not simply post the link? Or if you must include the text
> at LEAST cite where you got it. Or do you want people to think that you
> wrote all of this?
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> >
> > "I will remember and not be unmindful of Apollo who shoots afar. As he
> > goes through the house of Zeus, the gods tremble before him and all
> > spring up from their seats when he draws near, as he bends his bright
> > bow. But Leto alone stays by the side of Zeus who delights in thunder;
> > and then she unstrings his bow, and closes his quiver, and takes his
> > archery from his strong shoulders in her hands and hangs them on a
> > golden peg against a pillar of his father's house. Then she leads him
> > to a seat and makes him sit: and the Father gives him nectar in a
> > golden cup welcoming his dear son, while the other gods make him sit
> > down there, and queenly Leto rejoices because she bare a mighty son
> > and an archer. Rejoice, blessed Leto, for you bare glorious children,
> > the lord Apollo and Artemis who delights in arrows; her in Ortygia,
> > and him in rocky Delos, as you rested against the great mass of the
> > Cynthian hill hard by a palm-tree by the streams of Inopus." - Homer,
> > Hymn to the Delian Apollo
> >
> > In ancient Greece, today was dedicated to Apollo. The son of Zeus and
> > Leto and the twin brother of Artemis. Apollo was the god of music
> > (principally the lyre, and he directed the choir of the Muses) and
> > also of prophecy, colonization, medicine, archery (but not for war or
> > hunting), poetry, dance, intellectual inquiry and the carer of herds
> > and flocks. He was also a god of light, known as "Phoebus" (radiant or
> > beaming, and he was sometimes identified with Helios the sun god). He
> > was also the god of plague and was worshiped as Smintheus (from
> > sminthos, rat) and as Parnopius (from parnops, grasshopper) and was
> > known as the destroyer of rats and locusts, and according to Homer's
> > Iliad, Apollo shot arrows of plague into the Greek camp. Apollo being
> > the god of religious healing would give those guilty of murder and
> > other immoral deeds a ritual purification. Sacred to Apollo are the
> > swan (one legend says that Apollo flew on the back of a swan to the
> > land of the Hyperboreans and he would spend the winter months among
> > them), the wolf and the dolphin. His attributes are the bow and
> > arrows, on his head a laurel crown, and the cithara (or lyre) and
> > plectrum. But his most famous attribute is the tripod, the symbol of
> > his prophetic powers.
> >
> > When the goddesss Hera, the wife of Zeus (it was he who had coupled
> > with Leto) found out about Leto's pregnancy, she was outraged with
> > jealousy. Seeking revenge Hera forced Leto to roam the earth in search
> > of a place to give birth. Since Hera had forbidden Leto to stay
> > anywhere on earth, either on terra firma or an island at sea, the only
> > place to seek shelter was Delos, being in the center of the Aegean,
> > and also difficult to reach, as there were strong under-currents,
> > because it was said to be a floating island. Because it was a floating
> > island, it was not considered either of Hera's prohibitions, and so
> > Leto was able to give birth to the divine twins Apollo and Artemis
> > (before Leto gave birth to Apollo, the island was encircled by a flock
> > of swans, this is why the swan was sacred to him). As a gesture of
> > thanks Delos was secured to the sea-bed by four columns to give it
> > stability, and from then on it became one of the most important
> > sanctuaries to Apollo.
> >
> > "I sprang upon the ship in the form of a dolphin, pray to me as Apollo
> > Delphinius; also the altar itself shall be called Delphinius ..." -
> > Homer, Hymn to the Pythian Apollo 493
> >
> > Apollo's first achievement was to rid Pytho (Delphi) of the serpent
> > (or dragon) Python. This monstrous beast protected the sanctuary of
> > Pytho from its lair beside the Castalian Spring. There it stood guard
> > while the "Sibyl" gave out her prophecies as she inhaled the trance
> > inducing vapors from an open chasm. Apollo killed Python with his bow
> > and arrows (Homer wrote "he killed the fearsome dragon Python,
> > piercing it with his darts"). Apollo not only took charge of the
> > oracle but rid the neighboring countryside of widespread destruction,
> > as Python had destroyed crops, sacked villages and polluted streams
> > and springs. However, to make amends for killing Python, as the
> > fearsome beast was the son of Gaia, Apollo had to serve king Admetus
> > for nine years (in some versions eight) as a cowherd. This he did, and
> > when he returned to Pytho he came in the guise of a dolphin bringing
> > with him priests from Crete (Apollo's cult title "Delphinios" meaning
> > dolphin or porpoise, is probably how Delphi was so named). After
> > killing Python and taking possession of the oracle, the god of light
> > (Phobus) became known as "Pythian Apollo". He dedicated a bronze
> > tripod to the sanctuary and bestowed divine powers on one of the
> > priestesses, and she became known as the "Pythia". It was she who
> > inhaled the hallucinating vapors from the fissure in the temple floor,
> > while she sat on a tripod chewing laurel leaves. After she mumbled her
> > answer, a male priest would translate it for the supplicant. Delphi
> > became the most important oracle center of Apollo, there were several
> > including Clarus and Branchidae.
> >
> > Apollo, as with Zeus his father, had many love affairs with goddesses
> > and mortals. Apollo's infatuation for the nymph Daphne, which had been
> > invoked by the young god of love Eros, because Apollo had mocked him,
> > saying his archery skills were pathetic, and Apollo's singing had also
> > irritated him. Daphne was the beautiful daughter of the river god
> > Ladon, and she was constantly pursued by Apollo. To escape from
> > Apollo's insistent behavior, she fled to the mountains, but the
> > persistent Apollo followed her. Annoyed by this, she asked the river
> > god Peneus for help, which he did. As soon as Apollo approached
> > Daphne, he tried to embrace her, but when he stretched out his arms
> > she transformed into a laurel tree. Apollo, distraught by what had
> > happened, made the laurel his sacred tree. Apollo also loved Cyrene,
> > she was another nymph, and she bore Apollo a son: Aristaeus, a
> > demi-god, who became a protector of cattle and fruit trees, and a
> > deity of hunting, husbandry and bee-keeping. He taught men dairy
> > skills and the use of nets and traps in hunting.
> >
> > The most famous mortal loves of Apollo was Hecuba, she was the wife of
> > Priam, the king of Troy. She bore him Troilius. Foretold by an oracle,
> > as long as Troilius reached the age of twenty, Troy could not be
> > defeated. But the hero Achilles ambushed and killed him, when the
> > young prince and his sister Polyxena secretly visited a spring. Apollo
> > also fell in love with Cassandra, the sister of Troilius, and daughter
> > of Hecuba and Priam. He seduced Cassandra on the promise that he would
> > teach her the art of prophecy, but having learnt the prophetic art she
> > rejected him. Apollo, being angry of her rejection punished her, by
> > declaring her prophecies never to be accepted or believed.
> >
> > Asclepius, the god of healing, was also Apollo's offspring, after his
> > union with Coronis, who was daughter of Phlegyas, king of the Lapiths.
> > While she was pregnant by Apollo, Coronis fell in love with Ischys,
> > son of Elatus, but a crow informed Apollo of the affair. Apollo sent
> > his twin sister Artemis to kill Coronis, and Artemis carried out he
> > brothers wishes. While her body was burning on the funeral pyre,
> > Apollo removed the unborn child, and took him to Chiron, who raised
> > the child Asclepius.
> >
> > Apollo also, as did his father Zeus, fall in love with one of his own
> > gender, Hyacinthus, a Spartan prince. He was very handsome and
> > athletic, which inflamed the passions of Apollo. One day while Apollo
> > and Hyacinthus were practicing throwing the discus, Zephyrus, the god
> > of the west wind, who was also attracted to the young prince, and
> > jealous of Apollo's amorous affection towards the boy, made the discus
> > veer off course by blowing an ill wind. The discus, which Apollo had
> > thrown, hit Hyacinthus, smashing his skull. Apollo rushed to him, but
> > he was dead. The god was overcome with grief, but to immortalize the
> > love he had for the beautiful youth, he had a flower grow were his
> > blood had stained the earth. Apollo also loved the young boy
> > Cyparissus, a descendant of Heracles. The impassioned Apollo gave
> > Cyparissus a sacred deer, as a love token. The young deer became tame,
> > and was the constant companion of the boy, until a tragic accident
> > occurred. As the young deer lay sleeping in the shade of the
> > undergrowth, Cyparissus threw his javelin, which by chance hit, and
> > killed the deer. Grief-stricken by what had happened, Cyparissus
> > wanted to die. He asked Apollo to let his tears fall for all eternity.
> > With apprehension Apollo transformed the boy into a tree, the cypress,
> > which became the symbol of sorrow, as the sap on its trunk forms
> > droplets, like tears.
> >
> > Apollo could also be ruthless when he was angered. The mortal Niobe,
> > boasted to Apollo's mother Leto, that she had fourteen children (in
> > some versions six or seven), which must make her more superior than
> > Leto, who had only bore two. Apollo greatly angered by this slew her
> > sons, and Artemis killed Niobe's daughters. Niobe wept so much that
> > she turned into a pillar of stone. Apollo was infuriated when the
> > satyr Marsyas challenged Apollo to music contest. After winning the
> > competition, Apollo had Marsyas flayed alive, for being so
> > presumptuous, as to challenge a god.
> >
> > Apollo was worshiped throughout the Greek world, and at Delphi every
> > four years they held the Pythian Games in his honor. He had many
> > epithets, including "Pythian Apollo" (his name at Delphi), "Apollo
> > Apotropaeus" (Apollo who averts evil), and "Apollo Nymphegetes"
> > (Apollo who looks after the Nymphs). As the god of shepherds he also
> > had the cult titles "Lukeios" (from lykos; wolf), protecting the
> > flocks from wolfs, and "Nomius" (of pastures, belonging to shepherds).
> > Being the god of colonists, Apollo influenced his priests at Delphi to
> > give divine guidance, as to where the expedition should proceed. This
> > was during the height of the colonizing era circa 750-550 BCE.
> > Apollo's title was "Archigetes" (leader of colonists). According to
> > one legend, it was Apollo who helped either Cretan or Arcadian
> > colonists found the city of Troy.
> >
> > Valete bene!
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73413 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Re: Apollon - Copyright Laws
M. Hortensia praetrix G. Equitio Catoni;
when you post materials from another site or work you must conform to U.S Copyright Law. If the poster is in Europe or South America the relevant conventions apply. Translations are also copyrighted. You are responsible for what you post.

Copyright violation is a serious matter, I have provided legal links, if you need one for your country write to me and I will provide one. Everyone needs to familiarize her or himself with their relevant copyright laws.

Here is an informative link;
U.S http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/

EU http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32001L0029:EN:HTML

Brasil http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/12/23/copyright-law-reform-in-brazil-anteprojeto-or-anti-project/
Tibi gratias ago Modiane,
M. Hortensia Maior
Praetrix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Modiano sal.
>
> hmmmm ... in the original (which I copied and pasted from this date in 2006) the links existed. I don't know why they didn't show up here when I pasted it. But here they are:
>
>
> "SOURCES
>
> Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Apollo
> (http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/apollomyth/) and
> (http://forum.kusadasi.biz/thread32.html) "
>
> Vale!
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
> >
> > I copied and pasted some of what you posted below into Google and came up
> > with a listing of Apollo on Encyclopedia Mythica:
> > http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/apollo.html
> >
> > Also included there is: © MCMXCV - MMVI Encyclopedia Mythica™. All rights
> > reserved.
> >
> > Copying text without citing the reference is NOT a good thing. If you want
> > to post these why not simply post the link? Or if you must include the text
> > at LEAST cite where you got it. Or do you want people to think that you
> > wrote all of this?
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> > >
> > > "I will remember and not be unmindful of Apollo who shoots afar. As he
> > > goes through the house of Zeus, the gods tremble before him and all
> > > spring up from their seats when he draws near, as he bends his bright
> > > bow. But Leto alone stays by the side of Zeus who delights in thunder;
> > > and then she unstrings his bow, and closes his quiver, and takes his
> > > archery from his strong shoulders in her hands and hangs them on a
> > > golden peg against a pillar of his father's house. Then she leads him
> > > to a seat and makes him sit: and the Father gives him nectar in a
> > > golden cup welcoming his dear son, while the other gods make him sit
> > > down there, and queenly Leto rejoices because she bare a mighty son
> > > and an archer. Rejoice, blessed Leto, for you bare glorious children,
> > > the lord Apollo and Artemis who delights in arrows; her in Ortygia,
> > > and him in rocky Delos, as you rested against the great mass of the
> > > Cynthian hill hard by a palm-tree by the streams of Inopus." - Homer,
> > > Hymn to the Delian Apollo
> > >
> > > In ancient Greece, today was dedicated to Apollo. The son of Zeus and
> > > Leto and the twin brother of Artemis. Apollo was the god of music
> > > (principally the lyre, and he directed the choir of the Muses) and
> > > also of prophecy, colonization, medicine, archery (but not for war or
> > > hunting), poetry, dance, intellectual inquiry and the carer of herds
> > > and flocks. He was also a god of light, known as "Phoebus" (radiant or
> > > beaming, and he was sometimes identified with Helios the sun god). He
> > > was also the god of plague and was worshiped as Smintheus (from
> > > sminthos, rat) and as Parnopius (from parnops, grasshopper) and was
> > > known as the destroyer of rats and locusts, and according to Homer's
> > > Iliad, Apollo shot arrows of plague into the Greek camp. Apollo being
> > > the god of religious healing would give those guilty of murder and
> > > other immoral deeds a ritual purification. Sacred to Apollo are the
> > > swan (one legend says that Apollo flew on the back of a swan to the
> > > land of the Hyperboreans and he would spend the winter months among
> > > them), the wolf and the dolphin. His attributes are the bow and
> > > arrows, on his head a laurel crown, and the cithara (or lyre) and
> > > plectrum. But his most famous attribute is the tripod, the symbol of
> > > his prophetic powers.
> > >
> > > When the goddesss Hera, the wife of Zeus (it was he who had coupled
> > > with Leto) found out about Leto's pregnancy, she was outraged with
> > > jealousy. Seeking revenge Hera forced Leto to roam the earth in search
> > > of a place to give birth. Since Hera had forbidden Leto to stay
> > > anywhere on earth, either on terra firma or an island at sea, the only
> > > place to seek shelter was Delos, being in the center of the Aegean,
> > > and also difficult to reach, as there were strong under-currents,
> > > because it was said to be a floating island. Because it was a floating
> > > island, it was not considered either of Hera's prohibitions, and so
> > > Leto was able to give birth to the divine twins Apollo and Artemis
> > > (before Leto gave birth to Apollo, the island was encircled by a flock
> > > of swans, this is why the swan was sacred to him). As a gesture of
> > > thanks Delos was secured to the sea-bed by four columns to give it
> > > stability, and from then on it became one of the most important
> > > sanctuaries to Apollo.
> > >
> > > "I sprang upon the ship in the form of a dolphin, pray to me as Apollo
> > > Delphinius; also the altar itself shall be called Delphinius ..." -
> > > Homer, Hymn to the Pythian Apollo 493
> > >
> > > Apollo's first achievement was to rid Pytho (Delphi) of the serpent
> > > (or dragon) Python. This monstrous beast protected the sanctuary of
> > > Pytho from its lair beside the Castalian Spring. There it stood guard
> > > while the "Sibyl" gave out her prophecies as she inhaled the trance
> > > inducing vapors from an open chasm. Apollo killed Python with his bow
> > > and arrows (Homer wrote "he killed the fearsome dragon Python,
> > > piercing it with his darts"). Apollo not only took charge of the
> > > oracle but rid the neighboring countryside of widespread destruction,
> > > as Python had destroyed crops, sacked villages and polluted streams
> > > and springs. However, to make amends for killing Python, as the
> > > fearsome beast was the son of Gaia, Apollo had to serve king Admetus
> > > for nine years (in some versions eight) as a cowherd. This he did, and
> > > when he returned to Pytho he came in the guise of a dolphin bringing
> > > with him priests from Crete (Apollo's cult title "Delphinios" meaning
> > > dolphin or porpoise, is probably how Delphi was so named). After
> > > killing Python and taking possession of the oracle, the god of light
> > > (Phobus) became known as "Pythian Apollo". He dedicated a bronze
> > > tripod to the sanctuary and bestowed divine powers on one of the
> > > priestesses, and she became known as the "Pythia". It was she who
> > > inhaled the hallucinating vapors from the fissure in the temple floor,
> > > while she sat on a tripod chewing laurel leaves. After she mumbled her
> > > answer, a male priest would translate it for the supplicant. Delphi
> > > became the most important oracle center of Apollo, there were several
> > > including Clarus and Branchidae.
> > >
> > > Apollo, as with Zeus his father, had many love affairs with goddesses
> > > and mortals. Apollo's infatuation for the nymph Daphne, which had been
> > > invoked by the young god of love Eros, because Apollo had mocked him,
> > > saying his archery skills were pathetic, and Apollo's singing had also
> > > irritated him. Daphne was the beautiful daughter of the river god
> > > Ladon, and she was constantly pursued by Apollo. To escape from
> > > Apollo's insistent behavior, she fled to the mountains, but the
> > > persistent Apollo followed her. Annoyed by this, she asked the river
> > > god Peneus for help, which he did. As soon as Apollo approached
> > > Daphne, he tried to embrace her, but when he stretched out his arms
> > > she transformed into a laurel tree. Apollo, distraught by what had
> > > happened, made the laurel his sacred tree. Apollo also loved Cyrene,
> > > she was another nymph, and she bore Apollo a son: Aristaeus, a
> > > demi-god, who became a protector of cattle and fruit trees, and a
> > > deity of hunting, husbandry and bee-keeping. He taught men dairy
> > > skills and the use of nets and traps in hunting.
> > >
> > > The most famous mortal loves of Apollo was Hecuba, she was the wife of
> > > Priam, the king of Troy. She bore him Troilius. Foretold by an oracle,
> > > as long as Troilius reached the age of twenty, Troy could not be
> > > defeated. But the hero Achilles ambushed and killed him, when the
> > > young prince and his sister Polyxena secretly visited a spring. Apollo
> > > also fell in love with Cassandra, the sister of Troilius, and daughter
> > > of Hecuba and Priam. He seduced Cassandra on the promise that he would
> > > teach her the art of prophecy, but having learnt the prophetic art she
> > > rejected him. Apollo, being angry of her rejection punished her, by
> > > declaring her prophecies never to be accepted or believed.
> > >
> > > Asclepius, the god of healing, was also Apollo's offspring, after his
> > > union with Coronis, who was daughter of Phlegyas, king of the Lapiths.
> > > While she was pregnant by Apollo, Coronis fell in love with Ischys,
> > > son of Elatus, but a crow informed Apollo of the affair. Apollo sent
> > > his twin sister Artemis to kill Coronis, and Artemis carried out he
> > > brothers wishes. While her body was burning on the funeral pyre,
> > > Apollo removed the unborn child, and took him to Chiron, who raised
> > > the child Asclepius.
> > >
> > > Apollo also, as did his father Zeus, fall in love with one of his own
> > > gender, Hyacinthus, a Spartan prince. He was very handsome and
> > > athletic, which inflamed the passions of Apollo. One day while Apollo
> > > and Hyacinthus were practicing throwing the discus, Zephyrus, the god
> > > of the west wind, who was also attracted to the young prince, and
> > > jealous of Apollo's amorous affection towards the boy, made the discus
> > > veer off course by blowing an ill wind. The discus, which Apollo had
> > > thrown, hit Hyacinthus, smashing his skull. Apollo rushed to him, but
> > > he was dead. The god was overcome with grief, but to immortalize the
> > > love he had for the beautiful youth, he had a flower grow were his
> > > blood had stained the earth. Apollo also loved the young boy
> > > Cyparissus, a descendant of Heracles. The impassioned Apollo gave
> > > Cyparissus a sacred deer, as a love token. The young deer became tame,
> > > and was the constant companion of the boy, until a tragic accident
> > > occurred. As the young deer lay sleeping in the shade of the
> > > undergrowth, Cyparissus threw his javelin, which by chance hit, and
> > > killed the deer. Grief-stricken by what had happened, Cyparissus
> > > wanted to die. He asked Apollo to let his tears fall for all eternity.
> > > With apprehension Apollo transformed the boy into a tree, the cypress,
> > > which became the symbol of sorrow, as the sap on its trunk forms
> > > droplets, like tears.
> > >
> > > Apollo could also be ruthless when he was angered. The mortal Niobe,
> > > boasted to Apollo's mother Leto, that she had fourteen children (in
> > > some versions six or seven), which must make her more superior than
> > > Leto, who had only bore two. Apollo greatly angered by this slew her
> > > sons, and Artemis killed Niobe's daughters. Niobe wept so much that
> > > she turned into a pillar of stone. Apollo was infuriated when the
> > > satyr Marsyas challenged Apollo to music contest. After winning the
> > > competition, Apollo had Marsyas flayed alive, for being so
> > > presumptuous, as to challenge a god.
> > >
> > > Apollo was worshiped throughout the Greek world, and at Delphi every
> > > four years they held the Pythian Games in his honor. He had many
> > > epithets, including "Pythian Apollo" (his name at Delphi), "Apollo
> > > Apotropaeus" (Apollo who averts evil), and "Apollo Nymphegetes"
> > > (Apollo who looks after the Nymphs). As the god of shepherds he also
> > > had the cult titles "Lukeios" (from lykos; wolf), protecting the
> > > flocks from wolfs, and "Nomius" (of pastures, belonging to shepherds).
> > > Being the god of colonists, Apollo influenced his priests at Delphi to
> > > give divine guidance, as to where the expedition should proceed. This
> > > was during the height of the colonizing era circa 750-550 BCE.
> > > Apollo's title was "Archigetes" (leader of colonists). According to
> > > one legend, it was Apollo who helped either Cretan or Arcadian
> > > colonists found the city of Troy.
> > >
> > > Valete bene!
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73414 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-09
Subject: Re: Apollon - Copyright Laws
Cato Maiori sal.

You need to read more carefully, praetor, both the specifics about which you speak and the terms under which Yahoo! operates. You apparently understand neither. But everyone can learn something every day, so be of good cheer!

Vale!

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia praetrix G. Equitio Catoni;
> when you post materials from another site or work you must conform to U.S Copyright Law. If the poster is in Europe or South America the relevant conventions apply. Translations are also copyrighted. You are responsible for what you post.
>
> Copyright violation is a serious matter, I have provided legal links, if you need one for your country write to me and I will provide one. Everyone needs to familiarize her or himself with their relevant copyright laws.
>
> Here is an informative link;
> U.S http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/
>
> EU http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32001L0029:EN:HTML
>
> Brasil http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/12/23/copyright-law-reform-in-brazil-anteprojeto-or-anti-project/
> Tibi gratias ago Modiane,
> M. Hortensia Maior
> Praetrix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73415 From: Perusianus Date: 2010-02-10
Subject: "The Mother of All Forums: Civic Architecture in Rome under Trajan."
fyi

"The Mother of All Forums: Civic Architecture in Rome under Trajan." di Prof.ssa Diane Kleiner, di YALE UNIVERSITY, USA. (stampa)14.11.2009.

http://www.cosmolearning.com/video-lectures/the-mother-of-all-forums-civic-architecture-in-rome-under-trajan-6782/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73416 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-10
Subject: a. d. IV Eidus Februariae: Ritual Purity: the issue of open sores
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus sumus.

Hodie est ante diem IV Eidus Februariae; haec dies nefastus est:

AUC 697 / 56 BCE: The Senate responds to the growing political turmoil

"On the 10th of February an indictment was lodged against Sestius for bribery by the informer Cn. Nerius, of the Pupinian tribe, and on the same day by a certain M. Tullius (Albinovanus) for riot. He was ill. I went at once, as I was bound to do, to his house, and put myself wholly at his service: and that was more than people expected, who thought that I had good cause for being angry with him. The result is that my extreme kindness and grateful disposition are made manifest both to Sestius himself and to all the world, and I shall be as good as my word. But this same informer Nerius also named Cn. Lentulus Vatia and C. Cornelius to the commissioners. On the same day a decree passed the senate "that political clubs and associations should be broken up, and that a law in regard to them should be brought in, enacting that those who did not break off from them should be liable to the same penalty as those convicted of riot." ~ M. Tullius Cicero, Epist. Ad Quint. 2.3

P. Sestius was tribune in 57, Cicero was not yet returned from exile. It was Sestia who had drafted the bill for Cicero's return. Also, Sestius was the other individual, next to Milo, who raised and controlled the street gangs that challenged Clodius and his gangs on the streets of Rome. There were actually two indictments against Sestius, bribery (de ambitu) and violence (de vi) for his involvement with street gangs. Vatia and Cornelius were the witnesses against Sestius. Arrayed against him were Clodius' men, P. Vatianus and Gellius Publicola, as well as L. Aemilius Paullus Lepidus. The defense of Sestius was presented by the same men who were responsible for Cicero's return from exile, and in effect the trial was one of that issue. Cicero orated the principle speech that outlined the defense's case, while also defending his own past policies. Popmpeius Magnus delivered the speech praising the character of Sestius in a laudatio. Milo and P. Cornelius Spinther spoke in his defense, as did Q. Hortensius, C. Licinius Calvus, and another triumvir, Marcus Crassus. The charge of bribery seems to have disappeared as all that is known today is testamony given on the other charge. With the support of the triumvirs, some conservative members of the senate, and at least tacit approval of Cato's factio, Sestius easily won, and Clodius was humbled a second third time.


RITUAL PURITY: No open sores

"Why was it forbidden to priests that had any sore upon their bodies to sit and watch for birds of omen? Is this also a symbolic indication that those who deal with matters divine should be in no way suffering from any smart, and should not, as it were, have any sore or affection in their souls, but should be untroubled, unscathed, and undistracted? Or is it only logical, if no one would use for sacrifice a victim afflicted with a sore, or use such birds for augury, that they should still be more on their guard against such things in their own case, and be pure, unhurt, and sound when they advance to interpret signs from the Gods? For a sore seems to be a sort of mutilation or pollution of the body." ~ Plutarch, Roman Questions 73

Blood was believed to hold special powers. The animating soul was thought to travel throughout the body in the blood, and thus blood was teeming with life. For this reason blood drawn from any part of the body, but most especially from the large toe (of the right foot), was given as a cure to epileptics. Preferred was the blood drawn from the wounds of a gladiator as his virile blood was thought more potent than most. For a somewhat different reason, a virgin touching the face of an epileptic with her right thumb was thought to be curative because of the added power of her blood by virtue of her being a virgin (Pliny, N. H. 28.2; 28.10). The Vestal Virgins were further credited with a power to halt the flight of runaway slaves merely through prayer, but this power, too, stemmed from the life force held within their untainted blood (Pliny, N. H. 28.3). The power in blood was also thought to affect other things such as in the belief that blood could avert and repel rain clouds (Seneca, Nat. Quaest. 4.b.7.2). For much the same reasons, the "unnatural"appearance of blood could be a dire prodigy and thought to pollute under certain circumstances. There were a number of taboos concerning blood, and thus also methods of stemming bleeding, some practical and others magical.

"It is quite surprising how much more speedily wounds will heal if they are bound up and tied with Hercules' knot, indeed, it is said, that if the girdle which we wear every day is tied with a knot of this description, it will be productive of certain beneficial effects, Hercules having been the first to discover the fact (Pliny, N. H. 28.17)."

This knot of Hercules was a tightly tied triple knot with no ends showing. Many such charms were worn on the person of Romans – images of Gods and Goddesses, of Lares augustalis and Lasae, pine cones, flowers, and geometric devices, as well as talismans and amulet of stones and herbs that were thought to have curative powers.

As seen with Plutarch above, an open sore, oozing blood, meant that a sacerdos, or anyone for that matter, was losing the vital force of his animating soul, and thus also losing the special bond that exists between a person with his ancestors, who mediate between himself and the celestial Gods. Even unusually large bruises, the blood pooling under the skin as with a corpse, would be taken as a sign that something was amiss between the person and his or her Lares. Therefore, a young girl who had any bruises on her body when she was brought to the pontifex maximus would be rejected from becoming a Vestal Virgin. Plutarch, above, is specifically referring to augures where the Manes are always called upon when taking auspicia. But the same applies to all sacerdotes because taking auspicia is a normal part of any sacrum one would perform, and because one must be in a state of ritual purity to offer sacrifice, and not instead pollute the sacrifice with one's own blood, or inadvertently vow oneself as a victim by shedding blood onto the altar. Open sores and unusual bruises must be healed before rites to celestial deities can be performed, but for the very same reasons rites for Di inferni can be performed as these often have to do with healing and purification.


AUC 563 / 190 BCE: Pontifex Maximus and Flamines Maiores

"Before the praetors left for their provinces a dispute arose between P. Licinius, the Pontifex Maximus, and the Flamen Quirinalis, Q. Fabius Pictor. There had been a similar dispute many years previously between L. Metellus and Postumius Albinus. Metellus was Pontifex Maximus at the time, and had prevented Albinus, the newly elected consul, from accompanying his colleague to the fleet at Sicily. On the present occasion, P. Licinius had detained the praetor from going to Sardinia and kept him at his sacred duties. The question was hotly debated both in the senate and in the Assembly, orders were made on both sides, sureties accepted, fines imposed, the authority of the tribunes invoked and appeals laid before the Assembly. At last the claims of religion prevailed and the Flamen was ordered to obey the Pontiff's direction; the fine imposed upon him was remitted by order of the people. The praetor was very angry at losing his province and wanted to resign his office, but the senate exerted their authority to prevent this and decreed that he should exercise the jurisdiction over aliens." ~ Titus Livius 37.51


Our thought for to day is from Epictetus, Enchiridion 14

"If you wish your children and your wife and your friends to live forever, you are foolish; for you wish things to be in your power which are not so; and what belongs to others to be your own. So likewise, if you wish your servant to be without fault, you are foolish; for you wish vice not to be vice, but something else. But if you wish not to be disappointed in your desires, that is in your own power. Exercise, therefore, what is in your power. A man's master is he who is able to confer or remove whatever that man seeks or shuns. Whoever then would be free, let him wish for nothing, let him decline nothing, which depends on others; else he must necessarily be a slave."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73417 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-10
Subject: The only Roman Circus in Britain
The appeal to save this has a deadline of the end of this month. It would be
such a shame if it were lost forever.

http://www.camulos.com/circus.htm

Merula


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73419 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-10
Subject: Re: Apollon - Copyright Laws
Maior Catoni sd;
read the U.S Copyright law & fair use provisions, familiarize yourself with them and follow them before you post. Otherwise Laeca and I will address this matter.

Laeca and I are praetrices, singular praetrix. Males are praetor, praetores (pl) Scholastica give excellent Latin courses, it would be excellent if all Nova Romans enrolled to further our Latinity.
M. Hortensia Maior
praetrix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> You need to read more carefully, praetor, both the specifics about which you speak and the terms under which Yahoo! operates. You apparently understand neither. But everyone can learn something every day, so be of good cheer!
>
> Vale!
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > M. Hortensia praetrix G. Equitio Catoni;
> > when you post materials from another site or work you must conform to U.S Copyright Law. If the poster is in Europe or South America the relevant conventions apply. Translations are also copyrighted. You are responsible for what you post.
> >
> > Copyright violation is a serious matter, I have provided legal links, if you need one for your country write to me and I will provide one. Everyone needs to familiarize her or himself with their relevant copyright laws.
> >
> > Here is an informative link;
> > U.S http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/
> >
> > EU http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32001L0029:EN:HTML
> >
> > Brasil http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/12/23/copyright-law-reform-in-brazil-anteprojeto-or-anti-project/
> > Tibi gratias ago Modiane,
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> > Praetrix
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73420 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-10
Subject: Re: Apollon - Copyright Laws
Cato Maiori sal.

You have already "addressed" this matter in any case, as you sign your posts with your current title, so it must be assumed that it is official correspondence. You have no authority to do any more than you already have, nor is any given you under Yahoo!'s Terms of Service. I had thought that our esteemed Cordus had made this quite clear to you.

I will call you "praetor" because that is the title given you by our Constitution, none other, and it is historically correct. For someone who constantly inveigles about the necessity of true romanitas, you should be perfectly comfortable with this. Any perceived slight is exactly that - perceived, and unfounded in reality.

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Catoni sd;
> read the U.S Copyright law & fair use provisions, familiarize yourself with them and follow them before you post. Otherwise Laeca and I will address this matter.
>
> Laeca and I are praetrices, singular praetrix. Males are praetor, praetores (pl) Scholastica give excellent Latin courses, it would be excellent if all Nova Romans enrolled to further our Latinity.
> M. Hortensia Maior
> praetrix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73421 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ... was: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Apollon
C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S.P.S.

Hmmm ...hope I got that right! OK, to my point. One of the differences between exact reconstruction and recreation is that there are times when we need to adapt to the differences imposed by the passage of time, major cultural changes, and the adaptations they have required of us. In roma Antiqua, for example, there were only praetors because, well, only men could be elected to the office. I wonder, though, had there been universal suffrage ...what would the ancient Romans have called a lady Praetor ...I suspect, Praetrix, because that is good Latin grammar. As I understand things (and keep in mind, please, that I am a mere Plebeian neophyte, Latin is much fussier than English about gender. I guaranty that is is about agreement in noun, adjective, etc. etc. (ad infinitis).

We, in NR, *do* have Universal suffrage, so we can elect women as anything they want to be, if they can get the votes, so I think that Praetrix would be the correct term when addressing either one of ours ...if we want to grammatically correct in terms of Latin ...if not in terms of historical accuracy. The alternative, of course, would be to allow only the guys to play in the political arena ...and that would be ...um ...a rather dangerous thing to attempt (big smile), because, like our Roman foremothers, we nova Romanae are not delicate shrinking violets. Roses, perhaps, replete with sharp thorns when the occasion warrants.

If I am linguistally tangled, I urge someone (waves to my magistra) to untangle me ...again, as usual, (grin).

Valete Optime,
C. Maria Caeca, who does realize it is unnecessary to actually sign posts if you say who you are in the salutation but I'm a creature of habit, I guess.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73422 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: AW: Praetor, Praetrix ...
T.Flavius Aquila omnibus S.P.D.

Well , call me a traditionalist, but I will continue the use of the terms Censor,Consul, Praetor,Senator. That is no disrespect to the women of Nova Roma in these positions, not at all, it just follows the naming conventions of our ancestors and our constitution.It follows a more then 1000 years history of Rome.

As far as I know in the US Senate, the female Senators are as well referred to as Senator. Senator Clinton (Hillary) for example.

Well to be very honest with you ;-) praetrix, senatrix, always sounds to me, to an European ear,  like being directly derived from Asterix and Obelix, these two famous Gaul warriors and their stories.

Valete bene,
T.Flavius Aquila

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73423 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Praetor, praetrix, etc.
A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

True to form, I was unable to post via the interface; a pop-up blocks
this possibility.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S.P.S.
>
> Hmmm ...hope I got that right! OK, to my point. One of the differences
between exact reconstruction and recreation is that there are times when we need
to adapt to the differences imposed by the passage of time, major cultural
changes, and the adaptations they have required of us. In roma Antiqua, for
example, there were only praetors because, well, only men could be elected to
the office.

ATS: Exactly.

I wonder, though, had there been universal suffrage ...what would the
ancient Romans have called a lady Praetor ...I suspect, Praetrix, because
that is good Latin grammar. As I understand things (and keep in mind,
please, that I am a mere Plebeian neophyte, Latin is much fussier than
English about gender. I guaranty that is is about agreement in noun,
adjective, etc. etc. (ad infinitis).

ATS: You betcha. Ad infinitum, however.
>
> We, in NR, *do* have Universal suffrage, so we can elect women as anything
they want to be, if they can get the votes, so I think that Praetrix would be
the correct term when addressing either one of ours ...if we want to
grammatically correct in terms of Latin ...if not in terms of historical
accuracy.

ATS: Quaestrix and praetrix are perfectly fine Latin. So is tribuna. There
is no feminine for censor or consul, and we are having a little discussion
on another list about nouns similar to the first of these--or we were before
my ISP's incoming server became seriously ill 14 hours ago, and has hidden
the mail deep in its silicon innards.

The alternative, of course, would be to allow only the guys to play in the
political arena

ATS: Well, there are those who think we shouldn't even vote, let alone hold
office...or teach Latin, for that matter. They tend to hang out with one
another on a certain list or two or three where more sensible folk rarely
dare to venture.

...and that would be ...um ...a rather dangerous thing to attempt (big
smile), because, like our Roman foremothers, we nova Romanae are not
delicate shrinking violets. Roses, perhaps, replete with sharp thorns when
the occasion warrants.

ATS: Spinae in rosis? Tsk, tsk.
>
> If I am linguistally tangled, I urge someone (waves to my magistra) to
untangle me ...again, as usual, (grin).

ATS: Your magistra hopes you will receive this. Yahoo doesn't like me to
send messages via their interface. I don¹t trust the regular mail at this
point, but will have to try.

>
> Valete Optime,
> C. Maria Caeca, who does realize it is unnecessary to actually sign posts if
you say who you are in the salutation but I'm a creature of habit, I guess.

Vale, et valete.
>
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73424 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: Praetor, Praetrix ...
Maior Caecae Aquilaeque spd;
we're modern Romans respecting our mos and adapting to the new, as my friend Cordus says Romans were traditional but also practical. Latin has masculine, feminine and neuter and professions ie: tonsor, tonstrix were differentiated. Avitus himself was very pleased to see neologisms coined, as Latin is a living language not a dead one!

It is up to the women if they wish to use these Latin terms. I certainly do and I know Scholastica does as well, she was praetrix 2 years ago. Additionally we are proud Senatrices.




>
> Well , call me a traditionalist, but I will continue the use of the terms Censor,Consul, Praetor,Senator. That is no disrespect to the women of Nova Roma in these positions, not at all, it just follows the naming conventions of our ancestors and our constitution.It follows a more then 1000 years history of Rome.
>
> As far as I know in the US Senate, the female Senators are as well referred to as Senator. Senator Clinton (Hillary) for example.
>
> Well to be very honest with you ;-) praetrix, senatrix, always sounds to me, to an European ear, like being directly derived from Asterix and Obelix, these two famous Gaul warriors and their stories.
>
> Valete bene,
> T.Flavius Aquila
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73425 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: QUESTORES NEEDED: REMINDER: CALL FOR SOME CANDIDATES FOR COMITIA POP
Salvete Quirites!

I want to remind You of the need for candidates for the coming
election. We still have no candidates for the the for FOUR positions
as Quaestores. The position is the first step in the Cursus Honorum
and one of the offices needed to be able to stand for higher offices.
The Questorship is a good start in ones career in Nova Roma and the
Consuls, Preatores and all four Aediles willl have a Quaestor at their
side. Working as a Quaestor is also a good way to learn the ropes.

*******************

Ex Officio Consulis Caesonis Fabii Buteonis Quintiliani

Edictum Consulare CFBQ II de candidati Comitia Populi Tributa CFBQ

(The Second Consular edict CFBQ on candidates in Comitia Populi
Tributa CFBQ).


I hereby call for candidates to stand for election to some ordinary
magistracies of the Comitia Populi Tributa.

Anyone wishing to serve in any of these positions must have been a
citizen for at least six months by Kal. Mar. MMDCCLXIII (March 1st,
2010) and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen.

I will convene the comitia for the elections at a later time in
February, but candidates are welcome to announce themselves and begin
campaigning if they wish.

All potential candidates must contact me with their intention to stand
for office directly by sending a message to:
christer dot edling at telia dot com
in order to be placed on the ballot. Please include the word
"candidate" in the subject of the message, and be sure to tell me your
full Nova Roman name and the office for which you will campaign.

Simply announcing your candidacy to one of the lists shall not be
accepted. You must write to me directly.

Candidacies will be accepted until 15 February 2009 (18.00 hrs CET
Rome; 12.00 hrs EST Philadelphia).

As I need some advise about proper dates I will have to come back with
the exact dates for contio and election.

On behalf of the Res Publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae Romae I,
Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, Consul, hereby issue this call for
candidates for the following offices:


IV QUAESTORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763
(March 1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.
I ROGATORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763 (March
1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.


I DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763
(March 1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.


Given this 6th of February, in the year of the Consulship of P.
Memmius Albucius and the Second Consulship of K.Fabius Buteo
Quintilianus, 2763 AUC.

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Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul Iterum
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae






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Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul Iterum
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73426 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: a. d. III Eidus Februariae: FORNICALIA
M. Moravius Piscinus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Deos ego omnis ut fortunas sint precor

Hodie est ante diem III Eidus Februariae; haec dies nefastus est: FORNICALIA

: FORNICALIA :

"Numa first established the custom of offering corn to the Gods, and of propitiating them with the salted cake; he was the first, too, as we learn from Hemina, to parch spelt, from the fact that, when in this state, it is more wholesome as an alimen. This method, however, he could only establish one way: by making an enactment, to the effect that spelt is not in a pure state for offering, except when parched. He it was, too, who instituted the Fornacalia, festivals appropriated for the parching of corn, and others, observed with equal solemnity, for the erection and preservation of the 'termini,' or boundaries of the fields: for these termini, in those days, they particularly regarded as Gods; while to other divinities they gave the names of Seia, from 'sero' ('to sow'), and of Segesta, from the title 'segetes,' or 'crops of standing corn,' the statues of which Goddesses we still see erected in the Circus. A third divinity (Tutilina) it is forbidden by the rules of our religion to name even beneath a roof. In former days, too, they would not so much as taste the corn when newly cut, nor yet wine when just made, before the sacerdotes had made a libation of the first-fruits." ~ C. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.8

A festival of ovens, the Fornacalia was a feriae conceptive, meaning that it did not have a fixed date. The rite was performed pro curiis and at public expense as a sacrum publicum before Liberalia (17 Feb.) The City was once divided into three tribes: the Tities, the Ramnes, and the Luceres. Legend posed these to be the tribes of Latins who followed Romulus, the Sabine followers of Titus, and Etruscans who were resettled in Rome. These tribes were further divided into ten units each, for a total of thirty curiae. Originally each curia was composed of ten gentes. Each curia had its own meetinghouse, each with its own distinctive shrine, a hearth, and dining hall (Dionysius Halicarnassus 2.23). Each hall also held a special table (mensa) on which was set offerings to Juno Curis (Dion. Hal. 2.50; Paulus 64). The curiae were the units upon which the Roman army was built in the Early Republic. Juno Curis (of the Spear) was a patron Goddess of a curia, who should not necessarily be confused with Juno Capitolina. The early organization of the Roman populace into curiae by Romulus, may explain their being called Curites, or Quirites. Even later, when centuries became the polical and military divisions of the populace, the curiae still retained a quasi-political organization, but centered around it ancient religious responsibilities. Dionysius of Halicarnassus recorded the legend of curiae as founded by Romulus. To explain this religious function, as he saw them in his own time.

"In the first place, he appointed a great number of persons to carry on the worship of the Gods. At any rate, no one could name any other newly-founded city in which so many priests and ministers of the Gods were appointed from the beginning. For, apart from those who held family priesthoods, sixty were appointed in his reign to perform by tribes and curiae the public sacrifices on behalf of the commonwealth; I am merely repeating what Terentius Varro, the most learned man of his age, has written in his Antiquities. In the next place, whereas others generally choose in a careless and inconsiderate manner those who are to preside over religious matters, some thinking fit to make public sale of this honour and others disposing of it by lot, he would not allow the priesthoods to be either purchased for money or assigned by lot, but made a law that each curia should choose two men over fifty years of age, of distinguished birth and exceptional merit, of competent fortune, and without any bodily defects; and he ordered that these should enjoy their honours, not for any fixed period, but for life, freed from military service by their age and from civil burdens by the law." ~ Dionysius of Halicarnassus 2.21.1-3

At a curia's meetinghouse was held curial feasts, at least one monthly. In the Late Republic the curiae took on an important role in electioneering. Milo and Clodius each drew their gangs from the curiae, Caesar and his rivals employed them as well. The monthly or weekly meetings in these halls turned the curiae into places from which ward bosses controlled those living in their respective neighborhoods, and thus also how the people voted. There was nothing subtle about the system; each curia worked its neighborhood like a mafia street gang. After the Civil War, Caesar tried to curb their political power. Augustus eventually replaced their administrative role by reorganizing the City into the vici, and eliminated their political importance with vici viri in place of curiones.

Under the Empire the curiae retained some of their former religious roles, "where sacerdotes were to attend to the affairs of the Gods (Varro Lingua Latinae 5.155)." Each curia was served by a flamen to act as priest and by a Curio, who had to be at least fifty years of age. The Angeronalia (21 Dec.) was conducted in the Curia Acculeia (Varro, De Linga Latina 6.23).

From among the college of Curiones was chosen the Curio Maximus who was entitled to wear the toga praetexta. Each year he would announce the date on which the Fornicalia would be held. In the Forum he posted separate notices for each of the thirty curiae, to include where the final ceremony would occur, at the sacellum of a Curia Maxima, or the leading Curia of the City. The Curio Maximus had always been a patrician; that is, until 209 BCE:

AUC 544 / 209 BCE: Election of the first Plebeian Curio Maximus

"While the public attention was fixed on more important matters an old controversy was revived on the occasion of the election of a Curio Maximus, in place of M. Aemilius. There was one candidate, a plebeian, C. Mamilius Atellus, and the patricians contended that no votes ought to be counted for him, as none but a patrician had ever yet held that dignity. The tribunes, on being appealed to, referred the matter to the Senate, the Senate left it to the decision of the people. C. Mamilius Atellus was accordingly the first plebeian to be elected Curio Maximus." ~ Titus Livius 27.8

The rites performed in the curia retained a simplicity from the early religio Romana, and thus was the festival attributed to Numa Pompilius. Silver goblets were prohibited; simple offerings of cakes were used even when Rome attained the height of power and wealth. Each family was to bring an offering of grain (far) that had been roasted in antique fashion in a furnace near the pistrina at home. The roasted grain was then crushed by a primitive technique still seen in the Balkans, in India, and among other places. This produced a coarse far meal that was then formed into the cakes that each family brought to the meetinghouse. These were offered to Fornax, a Goddess of archaic outdoor ovens, or oasters, used to preserve the grain through winter. The "first fruits" of the wheat harvest were offered to Ceres, and here She may have been offered ears of unroasted grain beside Fornax.

Those who forgot to participate in the shared meal of their curia had until the Quirinalia of 17 February to offer to Fornax. For this reason, Ovid referred to the the day of the Quirinalia also being the "feast of fools."

Learn too why this day is called the Feast of Fools.
The reason for it is trivial but fitting:
The earth of old was farmed by ignorant men.
Fierce wars weakened their powerful bodies.
There was more glory in the sword than the plough:
And the neglected farm brought its owner little return.
Yet the ancients sowed corn, corn they reaped,
Offering the first fruits of the corn harvest to Ceres.
Taught by practice they parched it in the flames,
And incurred many losses through their own mistakes.
Sometimes they'd sweep up burnt ash and not corn,
Sometimes the flames took their huts themselves:
The oven was made a goddess, Fornax: the farmers
Pleased with Her, prayed She'd regulate the grain's heat.
Now the Curio Maximus, in a set form of words, declares
The shifting date of the Fornacalia, the Feast of Ovens:
And round the Forum hang many tablets,
On which every ward displays its particular sign.
Foolish people don't know which is their ward,
So they hold the feast on the last possible day.

~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2, 513-532



AUC 696 / 57 BCE: Trial of L. Calpurnius Piso Bestia for bribing voters during his campaign for Aedilis

"On the 11th of February I spoke in defence of (L. Calpurnius Piso) Bestia on a charge of bribery before the praetor Cn. Domitius, in the middle of the forum and in a very crowded court; and in the course of my speech I came to the incident of Sestius, after receiving many wounds in the temple of Castor, having been preserved by the aid of Bestia. Here I took occasion to pave the way beforehand for a refutation of the charges of which are being brought against Sestius, and I passed a well-deserved encomium upon him with the cordial approval of everybody. He was himself very much delighted with it. I tell you this because you have often advised me in your letters to retain the friendship of Sestius. I am writing this on the 12th of February before daybreak the day on which I am to dine with Pomponius on the occasion of his wedding." ~ M. Tullius Cicero, Epist. Ad Quint. 2.3

Calpurnius Bestia had been an aedilis c. 59 BCE. In 57 he was involved in the effort to end Cicero's exile, and thereby became a target for Clodius. It was his campaign seeking election as praetor, which he won, that brought about a charge of bribery. The prosecutor was M. Caecilius Rufus. For the defense was Cicero. Both had faced one another two years earlier when Cicero had defended Antonius. Cicero won once more, but Caelius Rufus was not yet done with Bestia. He again filed a charge of de ambitu against Calpurnius Bestia, winning his prosecution. Bestia was thus prevented from holding his office.


AUC 697 / 56 BCE: Electorial legislation and manipulation

"On the 11th of February a decree passed the senate as to bribery on the motion of Afranius, against which I had spoken when you were in the house. To the loudly expressed disapprobation of the senate the consuls did not go on with the proposals of those who, while agreeing with Afranius's motion, added a rider that after their election the praetors were to remain private citizens for sixty days. On that day they unmistakably threw over Cato. In short, they manage everything their own way, and wish all the world to understand it to be so." ~ M. Tullius Cicero Ltr. to Quintus FR 2.7

In 56 BCE M. Crassus and Pompeius Magnus were elected consuls for the following year. They next pushed through their own men as praetors and aediles. Milo was elected praetor. The factio of M. Cato oppposed the triumvirs. Cato himself ran for and lost the election for praetor. The Cato to which Cicero refers above was Gaius Cato, tribune in 56. Following the conference of Luca that brought the triumvirs back together, Gaius Cato became their tribune. It isn't clear whether C. Cato proposed the measure or tried to oppose it on behalf of the triumvirs. The intent was to provide a period when the newly elected praetors of the triumvirs were subject to prosecution. In 54 BCE C. Cato was himself indicted under two counts for improperly passing legislation. His prosecutor was Assinius Pollio, who would go on to become famed as an historian. At this time he was still a young man and one of Catullus' friends. For the defense their was a young poet and orator, Licinius Calvus, and Pompeius' man M. Scaurus. Then of course Pompeius also employed Cicero to defend C. Cato against the M. Cato factio. C. Cato was acquitted.


AUC 794 / 41 CE: Birth of Britannicus, son of Emperor Claudius and Messalima.

AUC 803- 808 / 50-55 CE: Birth of Domitia Longina, wife of the Emperor Domitianus.


Today's thought of the day is from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 8:

"The wealth required by nature is limited and is easy to procure; but the wealth required by vain ideals extends to infinity."
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They've found some Neanderthal teeth in Poland:

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/world/story/997118.html
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1817059/three_neanderthal_teeth_found_in_poland/index.html?source=r_science

Also on the dental front ... some evidence to confirm the Barker
hypothesis (which I'd never heard of):

http://www.physorg.com/news184519813.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100204204315.htm
http://www.dentistry.co.uk/news/news_detail.php?id=2527
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Hype for an upcoming press conference on the Tut DNA results (!):

http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/hawass-to-announce-king-tut-dna-results.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/31/AR2010013100756.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1147700.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hC05v6N96sFAxcCjiccMCTVsd8AQ
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/tutankhamen-may-find-his-mummy-20100201-n7cn.html
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100131/tut_DNA_100131/20100131?hub=TorontoNewHome
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/31/egypt-announce-king-tut-dna-results-438403431
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/01/2806274.htm

Egypt announced the completion of the restoration of the oldest
Christian monastery:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=36063
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14337886?source=rss
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/02/04/general-ml-egypt-monastery_7329254.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8500091.stm

Restoring the Avenue of Sphinxes:

http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/luxors-sphinx-avenue-to-be-restored.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/excavation-and-restoration-on-the-avenue-of-sphinxes-1888212.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5idJ--Qk8Bz03tCIJW_YPvHhS_MxA
http://heritage-key.com/blogs/ann/restoring-avenue-sphinxes-and-protecting-it-future

Feature on ancient Egyptian sports:

http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=7&id=19762

Finds from various periods from Syria's Hasska province:

http://www.english.globalarabnetwork.com/201002064686/Travel/archaeological-findings-cuneiform-tablets-seals-and-tombs-unearthed-in-syria.html

... and three cemeteries from Southern Syria too:

http://www.english.globalarabnetwork.com/201002054680/Related-news-from-Syria/4-thousand-year-archaeological-cemeteries-discovered-in-syria.html

Interview with Franck Goddio:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=cleopatras-alexandria-treasures-10-01-31

Interview with Donny George:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/1904

An interview with Aaron Demsky on matters onomastic:

http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c228_a17804/Special_Sections/Text_Context.html

A couple of items on the political side of archaeology in the
City of David area:

http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,64098268001_1957917,00.html(video)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/8480304.stm

Not quite sure what to make of this (rather dated) report
suggesting a DNA connection between the Mizo people and one
of Israel's lost tribes:

http://farshores.org/a04mizo.htm

Egyptology News Blog:

http://egyptology.blogspot.com/

Egyptology Blog:

http://www.egyptologyblog.co.uk/

Dr Leen Ritmeyer's Blog:

http://blog.ritmeyer.com/

Paleojudaica:

http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/

Persepolis Fortification Archives:

http://persepolistablets.blogspot.com/

Archaeologist at Large:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/ArchaeologyinEgypt/
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ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME (AND CLASSICS)
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Roman burials in Sleaford (this story seems to be developing):

http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/news/Skeleton-key-heritage/article-1798637-detail/article.html
http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/news/Second-skeleton-Roman-dig-site/article-1810585-detail/article.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lincolnshire/8498311.stm

A new underwater archaeological site off Polyaigos:

http://www.balkantravellers.com/en/read/article/1720

What Anne Carson has been up to:

http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=27927

Blog/feature on the Iliad:

http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2010/02/homer-the-iliad-1-of-2/

How the Iliad still speaks to us:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/charlottehigginsblog/2010/feb/01/poetry-classics

cf:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jan/30/iliad-war-charlotte-higgins

Review of some Iliad-related tomes:

http://www.boston.com/ae/books/articles/2010/02/07/looking_at_the_iliad_and_seeing_ourselves/

Review of Z Mason, *The Lost Books of the Odyssey*:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/02/05/RVAP1BL74T.DTL

Review of Robert Harris, *Conspirata*:

http://www.bookreporter.com/reviews2/9780743266109.asp
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-book6-2010feb06,0,2392748.story

Review of Peter Stothart, *Onthe Spartacus Road*:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-1248537/Spartacus.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2010/0206/1224263856999.html


More on that burial of an 'Asian' at Vagnari:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100201171756.htm
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/world/Ancient+Asian+skeleton+unearthed+Italy/2511950/story.html
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1817064/dna_testing_on_ancient_bones_in_italy_reveal_east_asian/index.html?source=r_science
http://www.smh.com.au/world/dna-finding-reveals-asians-in-roman-empire-20100206-njvs.html
http://www.physorg.com/news184269403.html

More on fragments of the Codex Gregorianus being found:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/02/100203-lost-codex-gregorianus-roman-law-book/

More on that 'Swiss Army Knife':

http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2010/02/01/did-the-romans-invent-the-swiss-army-knife-/

More on Trajan's aqueduct:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8486518.stm

Latest reviews from Scholia:

http://www.classics.ukzn.ac.za/reviews/

Latest reviews from BMCR:

http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/recent.html

Visit our blog:

http://rogueclassicism.com/
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EUROPE AND THE UK (+ Ireland)
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Evidence that Stonehenge was surrounded by hedges:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/04/stonehenge-hedge-discovery

They're looking for Columba's monastery:

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Search-for--Columba39s-monastery.6041441.jp

A long-lost theory on Silbury Hill has been rediscovered:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/8495004.stm
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/4884791.Long_lost_theory_on_Silbury_Hill_is_uncovered/

Interesting addition to the site of Bannockburn:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article7017170.ece


A bronze brooch has emerged after a turf fire in north Kerry:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0204/1224263734175.html
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfkfkfcwsnmh/rss2/

They've put a face on Auning Woman (bog body facial reconstrucion;
no photo):

http://jp.dk/uknews/article1963662.ece

Viking silver from Shenstone:

http://www.thisislichfield.co.uk/news/Viking-treasure-Shenstone/article-1804736-detail/article.html

A number of underwater sites have been identified off the UK's
North East coast:

http://www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/features/Hidden-Wrecks-Revealed.4926218.jp

A follow-up to that story from a while back about soldiers'
remains from the Battle of Fromelles:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8485734.stm

Archaeology in Europe Blog:

http://www.archaeology.eu.com/weblog/index.html

Review of Frederick Brown, *For the Soul of France*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/books/review/Suleiman-t.html

Review of Caroline Weber, *Apres le Deluge*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/books/review/Weber-t.html
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ASIA AND THE SOUTH PACIFIC
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Assorted 25 000 years b.p. finds from Rajasthan:

http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/03/stories/2010020358960500.htm

An 8000 years b.p. burial from Kenyir Lake (Malaysia) found by
clumsy archaeologists:

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/2/6/nation/20100206193148&sec=nation

A 2000 years b.p. burial from easter Mongolia has 'western'
ancestry:

http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/mongolian-tomb-western-skeleton.html

A 1500 years b.p. city ate from Mahasthangarh:

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=125099

They've banned construction around monuments in Agra:

http://www.newkerala.com/news/fullnews-45210.html

Interesting followup to the Cao Cao tomb thing:

http://atimes.com/atimes/China/LB03Ad01.html

Southeast Asian Archaeology Newsblog:

http://www.southeastasianarchaeology.com/

New Zealand Archaeology eNews:

http://www.nzarchaeology.org/netsubnews.htm
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NORTH AMERICA
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Remote sensing suggests there are a number of items in the
Nikwasi Mound:

http://www.maconnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6291&Itemid=34

Native Americans domesticated turkeys a couple of millennia
ago:

http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/native-americans-turkeys-domestication.html

A village at Fort Ancient:

http://www.richmondregister.com/localnews/local_story_029201854.html

American Castles:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111063102

More on the Oxford Mound:

http://annistonstar.com/bookmark/5734681
http://annistonstar.com/bookmark/5740243

Review of Clare Clark, *Savage Lands*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/books/review/Vernon-t.html

Review of Bettye Collier-Thomas, *Jesus, Jobs, and Justice*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/books/review/Ford-t.html
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CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA
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A possible Tubar site in Chihuahua:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=36066
http://dti.inah.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=39&Itemid=150


Some more interesting finds from Tonina:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=36101
http://dti.inah.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=39&Itemid=150
http://dti.inah.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4121&Itemid=329


cf. more on that sarcophagus from Tonina mentioned last week:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=35972

Peru plans to resume digging at Huaca Rajada:

http://www.andina.com.pe/Ingles/Noticia.aspx?id=5YnugNS8fBI=

Bolivian archaeologists are collecting DNA from mummies as part
of the Geno-graphic Project:

http://english.cctv.com/program/cultureexpress/20100204/101406.shtml

Trying to get a grant to study Chinchorro mummies:

http://www.rutlandherald.com/article/20100131/NEWS01/1310370/1002/NEWS01

Searching for evidence of pre-Carib and pre-Arawak folk:

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_features?id=161590514

They're restoring some walls at the Chan Chan complex:

http://www.andina.com.pe/Ingles/Noticia.aspx?id=LY5RnXYm1Tg=

Mike Ruggeri's Ancient Americas Breaking News:

http://web.mac.com/michaelruggeri

Ancient MesoAmerica News:

http://ancient-mesoamerica-news-updates.blogspot.com/
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OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST
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The next 'famous exhumation' candidate seems to be Tycho Brahe:

http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article892671.ece

Apparently Charles Darwin's ancestors were among the first
group of homo sapienseseses to leave Africa:

http://www.physorg.com/news184484254.html
http://rss.feedsportal.com/c/845/f/464365/s/8fd5398/l/0L0Sbelfasttelegraph0O0Cnews0Clocal0Enational0Ccharles0Edarwins0Eancestors0Eamong0Efirst0Ehomo0Esapiens0Eto0Eleave0Eafrica0E1466890A20Bhtml0Dr0FRSS/story01.htm

The founders of British obstetrics weren't very nice people:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/07/british-obstetrics-founders-murders-claim

The last speaker of the Bo language has passed away:

http://news.discovery.com/human/the-65000-year-old-language-goes-extinct.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/04/ancient-language-extinct-speaker-dies
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=79&artid=31154
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8498534.stm

I think we mentioned this whiskey-from-Antarctica before:

http://www.physorg.com/news184568979.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0206/1224263887302.html
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/more-whisky-brandy-found-in-antarctica-3349662
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/whisky-on-the-rocks-polar-explorers-stash-recovered-2051109.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article7016136.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093

On what they munched on during Shakespearean performances:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123202247

Item on the restoration of a/the Verrocchio:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/visual_arts/article7017259.ece

Humanities appears to be tough at Princeton:

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2010/02/04/25005/

Some Valentine's Day stuff:

http://sundaystandard.info/news/news_item.php?NewsID=6874&GroupID=2

The Christian origins of Groundhog Day:

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=271857

Interesting feature on George Steiner:

http://www.hindu.com/lr/2010/02/07/stories/2010020750140400.htm

Feature on the UArizona dendrochronology lab:

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/centralsouthernarizona/tucson/story/University-of-Arizonas-tree-ring-lab-unlocking/-6edBra4uk-ePhLKqzYMgw.cspx

Mozart murdered?:

http://www.hometownannapolis.com/news/lif/2010/02/07-03/Annapolis-woman-investigates-Mozarts-death.html

Feature on Paul Ehrlich:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/health/02first.html


Opeddish thing on the King's College Palaeography thing:

http://thefastertimes.com/academicpolitics/2010/02/03/a-bunch-of-pissed-off-medievalists/

More on the Royal Society's 350th:

http://www.physorg.com/news184127779.html

Review of a couple of books about Mary Anning:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/science/02scibooks.html

Review of Rebecca Goldstein, *36 Arguments For the Existence
of God*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/books/review/Schillinger-t.html

Review of Christopher Andrew, *Defend the Realm*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/books/review/MacIntyre-t.html

Review of Chinua Achebe, *The Education of a British-Protected Child*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/books/review/Glover-t.html
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TOURISTY THINGS
================================================================
Turkey's Top 10:

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-200809-117-turkeys-top-10-archaeological-sites.html
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BLOGS AND PODCASTS
================================================================
About.com Archaeology:

http://archaeology.about.com/

Archaeology Briefs:

http://archaeologybriefs.blogspot.com/

Naked Archaeology Podcast:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/archaeology/

Taygete Atlantis excavations blogs aggregator:

http://planet.atlantides.org/taygete/

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GENERAL MAGAZINES AND JOURNALS
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CSA Newsletter (January 2010):

http://csanet.org/newsletter/#winter10

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CRIME BEAT
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Egypt has passed its new antiquities law, with more severe
penalties for theft/smuggling of antiquities:

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2010/984/eg3.htm
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hnyIwyk_1Xh7ZU4-W_oBxmVXD2gw
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/sci-tech/06-egypt-tightens-penalties-for-relics-robbers-smugglers-rs-06
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/14078

A Hindu temple near Bangladesh was vandalized:

http://www.malaysianews.net/story/598084
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=341452&version=1&template_id=44&parent_id=24

Looting Matters:

http://lootingmatters.blogspot.com/
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NUMISMATICA
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That oldest Roman coin ever found in Britain is going on display:

http://www.harboroughmail.co.uk/news/Oldest-Roman-coin-found-in.6031766.jp

Feature on someone's coin collection (various periods):

http://www.leaderpost.com/health/Every+Coin+tells+Story/2503046/story.html

Latest E-Sylum:

http://www.coinbooks.org/club_nbs_esylum_v13n05.html

Ancient Coin Collecting:

http://ancientcoincollecting.blogspot.com/

Ancient Coins:

http://classicalcoins.blogspot.com/

Coin Link:

http://www.coinlink.com/News/
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EXHIBITIONS, AUCTIONS, AND MUSEUM-RELATED
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1001 Inventions:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/feb/01/islamic-science

Sexe, Mort et Sacrifice:

http://www.quaibranly.fr/en/programmation/exhibitions/prochainement/sexe-mort-et-sacrifice.html

Arts of Ancient Vietnam:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/arts/design/05viet.html

Rubbers:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/arts/design/05sex.html

Playing with Pictures:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/arts/design/05victorian.html

From the Gothic Tradition to the Early Renaissance:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/arts/design/05galleries.html

Ramayana Revisited:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/arts/04iht-RAMAYANA.html

Heroes: Mortals and Myths in Ancient Greece:

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100207/ENTERTAINMENT0507/2070307/1005/ENTERTAINMENT/+Heroes++is+an+art-filled+odyssey

Iran has officially severed ties with the BM over that whole Cyrus
Cylinder thing:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/arts_and_culture/8502654.stm
http://www.cais-soas.com/news/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=113:ichtho-severed-all-ties-with-the-british-museum-over-cyrus-the-great-cylinder&catid=40
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100206/tpl-uk-iran-britain-museum-19346ad.html
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE6151FE20100206

... and the Guardian has a briefinterview with Neil MacGregor on
this and related subjects:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2010/feb/02/neil-macgregor-london-review-books

Is there Trojan gold in the Penn Museum?:

http://www.philly.com/philly/health_and_science/83184682.html

The Met returned an item to Egypt:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/temple-fragment-returns-to-egypt-and-its-place-1888214.html

Some interesting maps are coming to auction:

http://www.americanaexchange.com/NewAE/aemonthly/article.asp?f=1&page=1&id=905

Nice price for a Giacometti:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/arts/design/04giacometti.html

A couple of items on the European art market:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/arts/04iht-melik4.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/arts/05iht-melik5.html)

... and the auction market:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/06/arts/06iht-Melik6.html

Problems for the FDR library:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/books/03papers.html

Assorted antiques items:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/arts/design/05antiques.html

More on the terracotta army coming to Canada:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5j0P4-wiX4NOoafk8QNUOAVXZS7fA
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PERFORMANCES AND THEATRE-RELATED
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Falstaff:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/arts/03iht-LOOMIS.html

Leipzig String Quartet:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/arts/music/05quartet.html

Opera Lafayette:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/arts/music/05lafayette.html

Gee's Bend:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/nyregion/31theaterct.html
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OBITUARIES
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Hans L. Trefousse:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/nyregion/05trefousse.html

Louis R. Harlan:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/books/30harlan.html
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PODCASTS
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Renaissance Thought: The Lost Continent between Logic and the
Occult:

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/classics/podcast

The Book and the Spade:

http://www.radioscribe.com/bknspade.htm

The Dig:

http://www.thedigradio.com/

Stone Pages Archaeology News:

http://news.stonepages.com/

Archaeologica Audio News:

http://www.archaeologychannel.org/AudioNews.asp
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73428 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Cato Mariae Caecae omnibusque in foro SPD

I completely understand the rationale you have, but only say that again, any perceived slight in using the proper/historic form is only perceived.

As has been pointed out, women serving in positions that were traditionally male are perfectly accepting of the title of office as it has always been - showing, in fact, their absolute equality with their male counterparts; in the United States governors, mayors, senators, etc., all bear those traditional titles and to my mind, if the female senators of the most powerful nation on earth are satisfied with that title, I see no reason to change it - especially as our law supports it.

Under our Constitution, the proper name for the office is "praetor", and that has never been changed or amended, so I shall observe the proper form. If there is any hint that I might be acting solely out of personal animosity, I would point out that long ago I announced in the Senate that I would use a simple neutral form ("conscripti") rather than use the totally unhistoric "senatrix".

Vale et valete,

Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S.P.S.
>
> Hmmm ...hope I got that right! OK, to my point. One of the differences between exact reconstruction and recreation is that there are times when we need to adapt to the differences imposed by the passage of time, major cultural changes, and the adaptations they have required of us. In roma Antiqua, for example, there were only praetors because, well, only men could be elected to the office. I wonder, though, had there been universal suffrage ...what would the ancient Romans have called a lady Praetor ...I suspect, Praetrix, because that is good Latin grammar. As I understand things (and keep in mind, please, that I am a mere Plebeian neophyte, Latin is much fussier than English about gender. I guaranty that is is about agreement in noun, adjective, etc. etc. (ad infinitis).
>
> We, in NR, *do* have Universal suffrage, so we can elect women as anything they want to be, if they can get the votes, so I think that Praetrix would be the correct term when addressing either one of ours ...if we want to grammatically correct in terms of Latin ...if not in terms of historical accuracy. The alternative, of course, would be to allow only the guys to play in the political arena ...and that would be ...um ...a rather dangerous thing to attempt (big smile), because, like our Roman foremothers, we nova Romanae are not delicate shrinking violets. Roses, perhaps, replete with sharp thorns when the occasion warrants.
>
> If I am linguistally tangled, I urge someone (waves to my magistra) to untangle me ...again, as usual, (grin).
>
> Valete Optime,
> C. Maria Caeca, who does realize it is unnecessary to actually sign posts if you say who you are in the salutation but I'm a creature of habit, I guess.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73429 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Lentulus Catoni et Aquilae sal.


This is a question of language rules, not a question of authenticity or politics.

In Latin, all nouns have a gender. Nouns ending in "-tor" means male gender, nouns ending in "-trix" express female gender. Similarly with "-us" and "-a": tribunus and tribuna.

If you know Latin, it's abhorring to hear "Senator Fabia" as it sounds nonsense (in Latin, in English NOT!). It sounds as a grammar mistake. I think that there is no need in the constitution to state that how male and female magistrates are to be addressed - it is something the comes from the language. Or is it stated in the US Constitution that if a female President of the US is elected, she will have to be addressed "Madam President"? It is not. It's not a matter of legislation, but a matter of etiquette.

Think of this as follows:

Latin ending "-tor" in titles is equivalent to English "Mr.". Latin "-trix" is equivalent to "Madame", "Mrs" or "Ms".

So Praetor translates as "Mr. Praetor".

Praetrix translates as "Madam Praetor"

In English there are no genders for nouns, there is no word for male and female Senator; so when speaking in English, anyone can say "Praetor" to female praetor, but as an effort of honouring the Latin language, one can chose to use the "Praetrix" that indicates the person knows how to address a female praetor in Latin. A praetrix, however, is still a praetor, but a female praetor: "praetor femininus = praetrix".

This should never be a matter of legislation. That's about etiquette, "mores", and Latin grammar expressing genders.


--- Gio 11/2/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> ha scritto:

Da: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Giovedì 11 febbraio 2010, 16:00







 









Cato Mariae Caecae omnibusque in foro SPD



I completely understand the rationale you have, but only say that again, any perceived slight in using the proper/historic form is only perceived.



As has been pointed out, women serving in positions that were traditionally male are perfectly accepting of the title of office as it has always been - showing, in fact, their absolute equality with their male counterparts; in the United States governors, mayors, senators, etc., all bear those traditional titles and to my mind, if the female senators of the most powerful nation on earth are satisfied with that title, I see no reason to change it - especially as our law supports it.



Under our Constitution, the proper name for the office is "praetor", and that has never been changed or amended, so I shall observe the proper form. If there is any hint that I might be acting solely out of personal animosity, I would point out that long ago I announced in the Senate that I would use a simple neutral form ("conscripti" ) rather than use the totally unhistoric "senatrix".



Vale et valete,



Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@ ...> wrote:

>

> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S.P.S.

>

> Hmmm ...hope I got that right! OK, to my point. One of the differences between exact reconstruction and recreation is that there are times when we need to adapt to the differences imposed by the passage of time, major cultural changes, and the adaptations they have required of us. In roma Antiqua, for example, there were only praetors because, well, only men could be elected to the office. I wonder, though, had there been universal suffrage ...what would the ancient Romans have called a lady Praetor ...I suspect, Praetrix, because that is good Latin grammar. As I understand things (and keep in mind, please, that I am a mere Plebeian neophyte, Latin is much fussier than English about gender. I guaranty that is is about agreement in noun, adjective, etc. etc. (ad infinitis).

>

> We, in NR, *do* have Universal suffrage, so we can elect women as anything they want to be, if they can get the votes, so I think that Praetrix would be the correct term when addressing either one of ours ...if we want to grammatically correct in terms of Latin ...if not in terms of historical accuracy. The alternative, of course, would be to allow only the guys to play in the political arena ...and that would be ...um ...a rather dangerous thing to attempt (big smile), because, like our Roman foremothers, we nova Romanae are not delicate shrinking violets. Roses, perhaps, replete with sharp thorns when the occasion warrants.

>

> If I am linguistally tangled, I urge someone (waves to my magistra) to untangle me ...again, as usual, (grin).

>

> Valete Optime,

> C. Maria Caeca, who does realize it is unnecessary to actually sign posts if you say who you are in the salutation but I'm a creature of habit, I guess.

>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73430 From: fauxrari Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: QUESTORES NEEDED: REMINDER: CALL FOR SOME CANDIDATES FOR COMITIA
Salve,
This may be a stupid question, but how does one become an assiduus? I have heard of taxes of course, but how much and where do we pay? I would like to run for queastor, but I don't get paid until next week. : (
Gratias,
L. Antonia Auriga

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Christer Edling <christer.edling@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> I want to remind You of the need for candidates for the coming
> election. We still have no candidates for the the for FOUR positions
> as Quaestores. The position is the first step in the Cursus Honorum
> and one of the offices needed to be able to stand for higher offices.
> The Questorship is a good start in ones career in Nova Roma and the
> Consuls, Preatores and all four Aediles willl have a Quaestor at their
> side. Working as a Quaestor is also a good way to learn the ropes.
>
> *******************
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73431 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Course about Roman architechture
Salvete omnes,
a whole course about Roman architecture can be found here:

http://www.cosmolearning.com/courses/roman-architecture-288/

It is composed by 24 lectures, with video and full transcription:

1 Introduction to Roman Architecture
2 It Takes a City: The Founding of Rome and the Beginnings of
Urbanism in Italy
3 Technology and Revolution in Roman Architecture
4 Civic Life Interrupted: Nightmare and Destiny on August 24, A.D. 79
5 Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous: Houses and Villas at Pompeii
6 Habitats at Herculaneum and Early Roman Interior Decoration
7 Gilding the Lily: Painting Palaces and Villas in the First Century
A.D.
8 Exploring Special Subjects on Pompeian Walls
9 From Brick to Marble: Augustus Assembles Rome
10 Accessing Afterlife: Tombs of Roman Aristocrats, Freedmen, and Slaves
11 Notorious Nero and His Amazing Architectural Legacy
12 The Creation of an Icon: The Colosseum and Contemporary
Architecture in Rome
13 The Prince and the Palace: Human Made Divine on the Palatine Hill
14 The Mother of All Forums: Civic Architecture in Rome under Trajan
15 Rome and a Villa: Hadrian's Pantheon and Tivoli Retreat
16 The Roman Way of Life and Death at Ostia, the Port of Rome
17 Bigger Is Better: The Baths of Caracalla and Other Second- and
Third-Century Buildings in Rome
18 Hometown Boy: Honoring an Emperor's Roots in Roman North Africa
19 Baroque Extravaganzas: Rock Tombs, Fountains, and Sanctuaries in
Jordan, Lebanon, and Libya
20 Roman Wine in Greek Bottles: The Rebirth of Athens
21 Making Mini Romes on the Western Frontier
22 Rome Redux: The Tetrarchic Renaissance
23 Rome of Constantine and a New Rome
24 Paper Topics: Discovering the Roman Provinces and Designing a Roman
City

Post originally by:
Domenico Carro

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
www.romaeterna.org
www.linkedin.com/in/romaeterna


Optime valete,
Livia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73432 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: Course about Roman architechture
C. Maria Caeca Liviae Plautae sal,

this sounds fascinating! thanks, I shall take a good *long* look!

Vale bene,


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73433 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
Caeca Catoni sal,

While I certainly understand your point of view, and would heartily agree with you in English, this is a matter of Latin grammar, entirely. If I were to write "iulia praetor est", I suspect the sentence would receive a liberal dose of red ink from my Magistra, since the subject, and the noun to which it refers are not in gender agreement. English has done away with these issues, since we use articles and (mostly) pronouns to express gender, not endings. True, there was a tradition of such sillinesses as poetess, etc., but they were extremely artificial constructions, and not a basic part of the language. It just seems to me that, since we are recreating our own Roma, and since the historical precedent would be to have no female officers of any sort, we might want to (and can, with no reference to legislation) follow the correct Latin grammatical formulae, when using Latin words, at least. I saw no insult, implied or otherwise ...just a language issue, (and, sadly, a typo in my own subject line). After all, we are, by having women as officers, breaking new ground, and we get to decide certain things, such as forms of address. I just think it would be appropriate to follow the rules of Latin grammar, when appropriate, as it would seem to be in these cases.

Vale et valete bene,
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73434 From: C. Cocceius Spinula Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: (PT VERSION) QUESTORES PRECISAM-SE: LEMBRETE: CHAMADA PARA ALGUNS CA
Salvete Quirites!
Quero lembrar-vos da necessidade para candidatos para as próximas eleições. Ainda não temos candidatos para os cargos de QUATRO Quaestores. A posição é a primeira etapa do Cursus Honorum e um dos cargos necessários para ser capaz de concorrer para cargos superior. O Questorado é um bom começo na carreira de uma pessoa em Nova Roma e os Consules, Preatores e todos os quatro Aediles terão um Quaestor ao seu lado. Trabalhar como um Quaestor é também uma boa maneira de "aprender as cordas".

************ *******
Ex Officio Consulis Caesonis Fabii Buteonis Quintiliani

Edictum Consulare CFBQ II de candidati Comitia Populi Tributa CFBQ

(O Segundo Edicto Consular CFBQ sobre os candidatos na Comitia Populi Tributa CFBQ).


      Eu por este meio chamo candidatos para as eleições para algumas magistraturas ordinarias da Comitia Populi Tributa.
 
Qualquer um que deseje servir algum destes cargos tem de ter sido pelo menos cidadão à seis meses até Kal. Mar. MMDCCLXIII (1º de Março, 2010) e tem de ser um cidadão assiduus (pagador de impostos).
 
Vou convocar a comitia para as eleições posteriormente em Fevereiro, mas os candidatos são convidados a anunciar-se e começar a campanha, se assim o desejarem.

 
Todos os potenciais candidatos devem contactar-me com a sua intenção de concorrer aos cargos, enviando uma mensagem diretamente para:
  christer ponto edling arruba telia ponto com
a fim de serem colocado nas urnas. Por favor, inclua a palavra "candidate" no Assunto da mensagem, e não se esqueça de me dizer o seu nome Nova Romano completo e o cargo para o qual vai fazer campanha.

Anunciar simplesmente a sua candidatura a uma das mailing-lists não serão aceites. Você deverá escrever directamente para mim.
 As candidaturas serão aceites até 15 de fevereiro de 2009 (18:00 CET Roma; 12:00 EST Filadélfia).

Como eu preciso de alguns conselhos sobre datas adequadas, vou ter que voltar com as datas exatas para o contio e as eleições.
 
Em nome da Res Publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae Romae eu, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, Consul, por este meio chamo candidatos para os seguintes cargos:
 
 
IV QUAESTORES: Tem de ter pelo menos 21 anos desde Kal. Mar. 2763 (1º de Março, 2010). Tem de ser assiduus.
I ROGATORES: Tem de ter pelo menos 21 anos desde Kal. Mar. 2763 (1º de Março, 2010). Tem de ser assiduus.
 
I DIRIBITORES: Tem de ter pelo menos 21 anos desde Kal. Mar. 2763 (1º de Março, 2010). Tem de ser assiduus.

Dado este dia 6 de Fevereiro, no ano do Consulado de P.  Memmius
Albucius e do Segundo Consulado de K.Fabius Buteo Quintilianus,
2763 AUC.

Traduzido por:
C. Cocceius Spinula

Provincia Hispania, Lusitania

Praefectus Regionis Lusitaniae

Senior Scriba Censoris TIS

Original:
--- K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus wrote:






 









Salvete Quirites!
I want to remind You of the need for candidates for the coming election. We still have no candidates for the the for FOUR positions as Quaestores. The position is the first step in the Cursus Honorum and one of the offices needed to be able to stand for higher offices. The Questorship is a good start in ones career in Nova Roma and the Consuls, Preatores and all four Aediles willl have a Quaestor at their side. Working as a Quaestor is also a good way to learn the ropes.
************ *******
Ex Officio Consulis Caesonis Fabii Buteonis Quintiliani

Edictum Consulare CFBQ II de candidati Comitia Populi Tributa CFBQ

(The Second Consular edict CFBQ on candidates in Comitia Populi Tributa CFBQ).


      I hereby call for candidates to stand for election to some ordinary magistracies of the Comitia Populi Tributa.
 
Anyone wishing to serve in any of these positions must have been a citizen for at least six months by Kal. Mar. MMDCCLXIII (March 1st, 2010) and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen.
 
I will convene the comitia for the elections at a later time in February, but candidates are welcome to announce themselves and begin campaigning if they wish. 
 
All potential candidates must contact me with their intention to stand for office directly by sending a message to: christer dot edling at telia dot com in order to be placed on the ballot. Please include the word "candidate" in the subject of the message, and be sure to tell me your full Nova Roman name and the office for which you will campaign. 
Simply announcing your candidacy to one of the lists shall not be accepted. You must write to me directly.


 
Candidacies will be accepted until 15 February 2009 (18.00 hrs CET Rome; 12.00 hrs EST Philadelphia) .
 
As I need some advise about proper dates I will have to come back with the exact dates for contio and election.
 
On behalf of the Res Publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae Romae I, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, Consul, hereby issue this call for candidates for the following offices:
 
 
IV QUAESTORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763 (March 1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.
I ROGATORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763 (March 1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.
 
I DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763 (March 1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.

Given this 6th of February, in the year of the Consulship of P.  Memmius Albucius and the Second Consulship of K.Fabius Buteo  Quintilianus, 2763 AUC.

************ *****Vale
Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
Consul IterumPrinceps Senatus et Flamen PalatualisCivis Romanus sumhttp://www.novaroma .org/nr/Main_ Page************ ********* ********* ********* *********Aut inveniam viam aut faciam"I'll either find a way or make one"************ ********* ********* ********* *********Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et PietasDignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness************ ********* ********* ********* *********Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73435 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Caeca Catoni sal,
>
> While I certainly understand your point of view, and would heartily agree with
> you in English, this is a matter of Latin grammar, entirely.
>
> ATS: It is indeed a matter of Latin grammar, but goes beyond that.
>
>
> If I were to write "iulia praetor est", I suspect the sentence would receive
> a liberal dose of red ink from my Magistra, since the subject, and the noun to
> which it refers are not in gender agreement
>
> ATS: Well, you would not get a plus mark on the sentence in question, so
> at least a bit of red ink might arrive for that correction. You are quite
> correct; Julia praetor est is not possible in Latin. Julius praetor est is.
> Julia praetrix est is.
>
>
> English has done away with these issues, since we use articles and (mostly)
> pronouns to express gender, not endings. True, there was a tradition of such
> sillinesses as poetess, etc., but they were extremely artificial
> constructions, and not a basic part of the language.
>
> ATS: Here I shall disagree with you, for there is a long tradition in
> English and other Indo-European languages of using the feminine agent suffix:
> actress, hostess, poetess, etc., which has merely fallen out of fashion in
> some quarters (not mine) out of some silly idea that marking the doer of said
> actions as female is insulting. It is not. It is not insulting in Latin to
> say tonstrix, female barber/hairdresser, from the masculine agent noun tonsor,
> barber, or coqua, female cook, beside coquus, male cook.
>
>
> It just seems to me that, since we are recreating our own Roma, and since the
> historical precedent would be to have no female officers of any sort, we might
> want to (and can, with no reference to legislation) follow the correct Latin
> grammatical formulae, when using Latin words, at least.
>
> ATS: Yes... And then there is this other matter.
>
> I saw no insult, implied or otherwise ...just a language issue, (and, sad ly,
> a typo in my own subject line). After all, we are, by having women as
> officers, breaking new ground, and we get to decide certain things, such as
> forms of address. I just think it would be appropriate to follow the rules of
> Latin grammar, when appropriate, as it would seem to be in these cases.
>
> ATS: Yes...and then there is this other little matter, such as that there
> is something in the Constitution (if memory serves) about the masculine
> ENCOMPASSING the feminine, as is normal in Indo-European languages, without
> any insult or need for masculine-only forms being intended. This is merely
> to simplify matters and remove the need for saying he/she or the like every
> time the third person pronoun is mentioned. Nothing is said about feminine
> forms being forbidden, or deemed inappropriate. Too, if you look at the
> regulae of some of the sodalitates, you will see that the feminine form was
> included (curator sermonis/curatrix sermonis), and, for that matter, if memory
> serves, there was such an office in NR held by a woman whose duty was ML
> moderation before that was transferred to the praetores/praetrices. Despite
> what any of certain parties might wish for, praetor encompasses praetrix, and
> praetrix is the correct term for a female who holds the praetura.
>
> Vale et valete bene,
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73436 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
Cato Mariae Caecae Tulliae Scholasticae SPD

Thank you for your responses.

Maria Caeca, I might further agree with you if I were writing in Latin. I am not, however :)

Latin is the official ceremonial language of the Respublica, but English is the official quotidian language of the government, so the way we express ourselves in English is as important as the way we do so in Latin - as much as some here might wish it were otherwise, to borrow a phrase.

I don't think it's much to get up in arms about, but it is simply my preference to refer to the office of praetor in keeping with the historic foundations of our attempt at reconstruction.

Valete,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73437 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-11
Subject: Re: INFO
Maior Vindico spd;
molte grazie per gl'informatzioni! posso leggere Italian perche avevo studiato Italliano nell'univercita, ora provo fare a scriverLe;-)
optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Aurelius Vindex" <g_a_vindex@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Novi Romani
> interessante articolo
> Valete Bene
> C.Aurelius Vindex
>
> Baia, il satellite riscopre un teatro romano
>
> Scritto da Corriere del Mezzogiorno, 12-01-2010 00:00
> Pagina vista : 134
> Pubblicato in : Ritrovamenti, Ritrovamenti nel Mediterraneo
>
> A pochi metri dalla costa visibili gli antichi resti della cavea della Villa
> di Cesare
> Opera d'età imperiale nei fondali del castello aragonese
> NAPOLI - Era il lontano 1956, quando Raimondo Bucher - ufficiale pilota da
> caccia – scoprì durante una ricognizione aerea, giacere a soli pochi metri
> dalla linea di costa, un'intera città romana collocata sui fondali del golfo
> di Pozzuoli. Come ebbe a dire poco dopo, durante un'intervista: «Era da poco
> passata la guerra, uscivo di pattuglia sul mare partendo dall'aeroporto di
> Capodichino. Dall'alto, in una giornata caratterizzata dalla straordinaria
> limpidezza del cielo e del mare, intravidi forme sottomarine simmetriche e
> regolari. Incuriosito, decisi pertanto di scattare dal cielo alcune
> fotografie, che ancora oggi restano per la loro limpidezza, testimonianza
> ineguagliata. Dopo lo sviluppo ebbi la sconcertante sorpresa: dalle stampe
> apparvero nella loro chiarezza quelle che inequivocabilmente erano mura,
> strade, e costruzioni di un'antica città sommersa. Erano i resti della
> antica città romana di Baia».
>
> L'articolo completo è disponibile qui:
> http://corrieredelmezzogiorno.corriere.it/napoli/notizie/arte_e_cultura/2010/12-gennaio-2010/baia-satellite-riscopre-teatro-romano-1602276819530.shtml
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73439 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Re: Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
Maior Scholasticae Caecaeque spd
oh my what nonsense. I unexpectedly had to become the governor of Hibernia way back in 2004 and I was called and used the term propraetrix. I've since been tribuna, questrix, praetrix, senatrix and also Flaminica.

the only historic thing is that the founders Vedius and Cassius didn't know Latin & 10 years later still are in the same unenlightened state..

I agree with Scholastica, English has many words with feminine endings; actress, poetess, sculptress, authoress and I think we should re-embrace them, being proud to be distinguished as women.

We should all aspire to Latinity, that is utterly traditional and utterly Roman;-) it may take time, it has for me, but so what, one day this ML will be entirely in Latin! And we'll get there one word at a time.
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Mariae Caecae Tulliae Scholasticae SPD
>
> Thank you for your responses.
>
> Maria Caeca, I might further agree with you if I were writing in Latin. I am not, however :)
>
> Latin is the official ceremonial language of the Respublica, but English is the official quotidian language of the government, so the way we express ourselves in English is as important as the way we do so in Latin - as much as some here might wish it were otherwise, to borrow a phrase.
>
> I don't think it's much to get up in arms about, but it is simply my preference to refer to the office of praetor in keeping with the historic foundations of our attempt at reconstruction.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73440 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Pridie Eidus Februariae: Pompeius marries Cornelia, Augustus and Liv
M. Moravius Piscinus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos salvam et servatam volunt

Hodie est die pristini Eidus Februariae; haec dies nefastus est:

"The diligent farmer plants trees he will never see." ~ M. Tullius Cicero, Tusculanae 1.14.31


"By a single law Romulus led the women to modesty and great decorum. The law was to this effect, that a woman joined to her husband by a holy marriage should share in all his possessions and sacred rites." ~ Dionysius of Halicarnassus 2.25.1-2

AUC 701 / 52 BCE: Wedding of Pompeius Magnus to (Cornelia) Caecilia Metella

After the death of his wife Julia during childbirth in 54 BCE, Pompeius grew alienated towards Julius Caesar. He instead returned to the camp of the conservative optimes whose policy was to preserve the Sullatorian system that provided them a privileged position. Caesar offered Pompeius his grand niece, Octavia, in marriage. Pompeius instead married the daughter of Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio Nasica. By birth he was Cornelius Scipio Nasica, and thus the bride of Pompeius is best known as Cornelia. But her father had been adopted into the family of Caecilius Metellus Pius, and thus her name st the time would have been Caecilia Metella. She was a very young bride, for Pompeius, but already a widow. Her former husband had been Publius Licinius Crassus who died at Carrhae along with his father, the triumvir Marcus Licinius Crassus.


"Why does the husband approach his bride for the first time, not with a light, but in darkness? Is it because he has a feeling of modest respect, since he regards her as not his own before his union with her? Or is he accustoming himself to approach even his own wife with modesty? Or, as Solon has given directions that the bride shall nibble a quince before entering the bridal chamber, in order that the first greeting may not be disagreeable nor unpleasant, even so did the Roman legislator, if there was anything abnormal or disagreeable connected with the body, keep it concealed? Or is this that is done a manner of casting infamy upon unlawful amours, since even lawful love has a certain opprobrium connected with it?" ~ Plutarch, Roman Questions 65


AUC 715 / 38 BCE: Livia Drusilla and Augustus

"Almighty Jupiter restrained his hand and swept up both mother and son, whirled through the void on the winds, and set them in the heavens as neighboring stars, Ursa Maior and Ursa Minor." ~ Ovidius Naso, Metamorphoses 2.504-507

Throughout his poem on the Fasti, Ovid plays with the juxtaposition of events from the Augustan regime with myths on the constellations. On the day prior to the Ides of February he tells the story of how Jupiter took Callisto in an adulterous affair, and that after she had been changed by Juno into a bear, Callisto came upon her illegitimate son Arcus. When he took up his spear to defend himself against a bear, and thus might have committed the most serious of all crimes in Roma antiqua, that of parricide, Jupiter prevented him and raised both to the heavens.

This story is told shortly after Ovid has related how Augustus was raised by the Senate to be the Pater Patriae, at which time he compared Augustus to a Jupiter on earth. Here the story of Callisto and her son may be a reflection of Livia Drusilla, who Augustus took as his wife from her husband three days after giving birth to her second son, Drusus, even forcing Ti. Claudius Nero to give Livia to Augustus during their marriage ceremony. Further, after 33 BCE when Ti. Claudius died, Augustus then, too, adopted her sons Tiberius and Drusus. By the time Ovid wrote the Fasti, Drusus was dead and Tiberius had become emperor. So in a sense Augustus also took away Ti. Claudius Nero's son, but in doing so, Augustus also raised Livia to become Julia Augustus, and raised young Tiberius to the celestial realms of the imperial throne.


AUC 553 / 200 BCE: Vowing an indefinite amount.

"While the consuls were raising troops and preparing for war, the citizens were occupied with religious observances, especially those which were usual when a fresh war began. The special intercessions and prayers at all the shrines had been duly offered, but that nothing might be omitted the consul to whom Macedonia was allotted was authorised to vow Games in honour of Jupiter and an offering to his temple. This matter was delayed through the action of the Pontifex Maximus, Licinius, who laid it down that no vow ought to be made unless the sum required to discharge it was paid, because the money so appropriated could not be used in connection with the war, and ought to be at once set apart and not mixed up with other money. Unless this were done, the vow could not be duly discharged. Although the pontiff's authority and the reasons he gave had great weight, the consul was instructed to refer the question to the whole pontifical college as to whether a vow could be properly undertaken when the expense incurred was left uncertain. The pontiffs declared that it could, and would be made with even greater propriety under these conditions. The consul recited the words of the vow after the Pontifex Maximus in the same form in which vows to be discharged after an interval of five years were usually recited, the exception being that the senate was to determine the cost of its fulfilment at the time when it was discharged. Up to this time when the Games and offerings were vowed a definite sum had always been named; this was the first instance where the cost was not fixed at the time." ~ Titus Livius 31.8.7-9

It was a religious crime to profane anything that had been dedicated to the Gods, and this was reflected in Roman civil law as well. Peculatum was the term for any public funds or sacred funds that were misspent or stolen. When a temple was to be built, public funds were set aside as a sacred fund and thus could not be used for any other purpose. No funds were being set aside before the war to pay for the vows made, and that may be what Licinius was attempting to force the Senate to do.

This is an interesting passage in Livy because he oftens portrays the pontifex maximus as having an absolute authority, while here we see the Collegium Pontificum overruling his opinion. This point is made all the more by the fact that it involved Licinius who is portray as one of the most active and influential pontifices maximi of the Middle Republic.


Our thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 3.9

"Reverence the faculty that produces opinion. On this faculty it entirely depends whether there shall exist in thy ruling part any opinion inconsistent with Nature and the constitution of the rational animal. And this faculty promises freedom from hasty judgment, friendship towards men, and obedience to the Gods."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73441 From: irina sergia Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Course
Salvete!

Very interesting lectures.
Thank you!

Valete!
Quinta Sergia Alba





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73442 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
For those not familiar with Latin, English, which is the present
language of world commerce and diplomacy, is the working speech of
Nova Roma. Such was determined long ago. Latin sounds about as
meaningful as Chinese to the ear of those who are not familiar with
it. I see no reason to impart on those who are not informed in Latin,
the long Latin paragraphs of material without an English translation.
Were a Latin speaker to do so face to face with a non-Latin speaker
it would be considered at the very least, a deliberate insult.

I have nothing against the Latin language, or any other language for
that matter, but I find in the many foreign countries that I have
visited, they make no special accommodation for my lack of their
native language nor do I expect it. As to titles, Lentulus has the
right of it. The titles are determined by long usage and not by
individual ego. The "Chairman" is the Chairman is the Chairman.
Everyone knows what that means in the English speaking world. Why
complicate things for an individual's pride????? There are many ways
to determine the gender in language without changing well-determined
titles for little gain.

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens
On Feb 11, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus wrote:

> Lentulus Catoni et Aquilae sal.
>
> This is a question of language rules, not a question of authenticity
> or politics.
>
> In Latin, all nouns have a gender. Nouns ending in "-tor" means male
> gender, nouns ending in "-trix" express female gender. Similarly
> with "-us" and "-a": tribunus and tribuna.
>
> If you know Latin, it's abhorring to hear "Senator Fabia" as it
> sounds nonsense (in Latin, in English NOT!). It sounds as a grammar
> mistake. I think that there is no need in the constitution to state
> that how male and female magistrates are to be addressed - it is
> something the comes from the language. Or is it stated in the US
> Constitution that if a female President of the US is elected, she
> will have to be addressed "Madam President"? It is not. It's not a
> matter of legislation, but a matter of etiquette.
>
> Think of this as follows:
>
> Latin ending "-tor" in titles is equivalent to English "Mr.". Latin
> "-trix" is equivalent to "Madame", "Mrs" or "Ms".
>
> So Praetor translates as "Mr. Praetor".
>
> Praetrix translates as "Madam Praetor"
>
> In English there are no genders for nouns, there is no word for male
> and female Senator; so when speaking in English, anyone can say
> "Praetor" to female praetor, but as an effort of honouring the Latin
> language, one can chose to use the "Praetrix" that indicates the
> person knows how to address a female praetor in Latin. A praetrix,
> however, is still a praetor, but a female praetor: "praetor
> femininus = praetrix".
>
> This should never be a matter of legislation. That's about
> etiquette, "mores", and Latin grammar expressing genders.
>
> --- Gio 11/2/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> ha scritto:
>
> Da: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
> A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Data: Gioved� 11 febbraio 2010, 16:00
>
>
>
> Cato Mariae Caecae omnibusque in foro SPD
>
> I completely understand the rationale you have, but only say that
> again, any perceived slight in using the proper/historic form is
> only perceived.
>
> As has been pointed out, women serving in positions that were
> traditionally male are perfectly accepting of the title of office as
> it has always been - showing, in fact, their absolute equality with
> their male counterparts; in the United States governors, mayors,
> senators, etc., all bear those traditional titles and to my mind, if
> the female senators of the most powerful nation on earth are
> satisfied with that title, I see no reason to change it - especially
> as our law supports it.
>
> Under our Constitution, the proper name for the office is "praetor",
> and that has never been changed or amended, so I shall observe the
> proper form. If there is any hint that I might be acting solely out
> of personal animosity, I would point out that long ago I announced
> in the Senate that I would use a simple neutral form ("conscripti" )
> rather than use the totally unhistoric "senatrix".
>
> Vale et valete,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "C.Maria Caeca"
> <c.mariacaeca@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S.P.S.
>
> >
>
> > Hmmm ...hope I got that right! OK, to my point. One of the
> differences between exact reconstruction and recreation is that
> there are times when we need to adapt to the differences imposed by
> the passage of time, major cultural changes, and the adaptations
> they have required of us. In roma Antiqua, for example, there were
> only praetors because, well, only men could be elected to the
> office. I wonder, though, had there been universal suffrage ...what
> would the ancient Romans have called a lady Praetor ...I suspect,
> Praetrix, because that is good Latin grammar. As I understand things
> (and keep in mind, please, that I am a mere Plebeian neophyte, Latin
> is much fussier than English about gender. I guaranty that is is
> about agreement in noun, adjective, etc. etc. (ad infinitis).
>
> >
>
> > We, in NR, *do* have Universal suffrage, so we can elect women as
> anything they want to be, if they can get the votes, so I think that
> Praetrix would be the correct term when addressing either one of
> ours ...if we want to grammatically correct in terms of Latin ...if
> not in terms of historical accuracy. The alternative, of course,
> would be to allow only the guys to play in the political
> arena ...and that would be ...um ...a rather dangerous thing to
> attempt (big smile), because, like our Roman foremothers, we nova
> Romanae are not delicate shrinking violets. Roses, perhaps, replete
> with sharp thorns when the occasion warrants.
>
> >
>
> > If I am linguistally tangled, I urge someone (waves to my
> magistra) to untangle me ...again, as usual, (grin).
>
> >
>
> > Valete Optime,
>
> > C. Maria Caeca, who does realize it is unnecessary to actually
> sign posts if you say who you are in the salutation but I'm a
> creature of habit, I guess.
>
> >
>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73443 From: James Mathews Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Latin
I suppose that I shall immediately receive a good number of message
about my views on Latin and titles. Actually , I am not interested in
such. This argument has ben fought previously with some unable to
contain themselves to language suitable for this or any other list.
So, in order to save you from a possible monitoring as has happened
elsewhere, I wish to save you from that irritating conclusion to your
arguments.

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens
On Feb 11, 2010, at 5:24 PM, C.Maria Caeca wrote:

> C. Maria Caeca Liviae Plautae sal,
>
> this sounds fascinating! thanks, I shall take a good *long* look!
>
> Vale bene,
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73444 From: lynn r Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: new mini series
Salvete!

Just to let everyone know Simon Scarrow's books many be in the works as a mini series in the UK check it out at undertheeagle.co.uk

Optime Valete,
Lynn
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73445 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Re: new mini series
Salvete,

Seriously? Nice! A big fan of the book series, will check out the link,


Gratias tibi ago Lynn.


Valete Optime,
Aeternia

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:29 PM, lynn r <m1grand_99@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete!
>
> Just to let everyone know Simon Scarrow's books many be in the works as a
> mini series in the UK check it out at undertheeagle.co.uk
>
> Optime Valete,
> Lynn
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73446 From: T. Annaeus Regulus Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: CANDIDACY FOR QUAESTOR
Salvete quirites,

I, Titus Annæus Regulus, hereby declare my candidacy for the magistracy of Quaestor.

After seeing the positive results in my bid for the magistracy of Curule Aedile in the face of such distinguished opposition, I feel confident that a significant number of citizens feel that I am competent and willing to serve the greater good of the Republic. For this reason, I feel that it is appropriate that I offer to serve where willing citizens are most needed; in the vacant position of Quaestor. I appeal to those same citizens, and to those who felt, perhaps, that I lacked the experience, but not the dedication, of my Aedilician competitors, to provide both your support and votes in this upcoming election.

I have held numerous positions in NR in the past, including Team Leader in last year's Aedilician cohort, Scriba in this year's Aedilician cohort, and am currently Legatus pro Praetor of Canada Citerior. I would consider myself a moderate; one who would rather focus on results and outcomes than on personalities. I think everyone in NR is here to contribute in their own way, and I am anxious to contribute to NR's success as one of this year's Quaestors!

Additionally, to those newer citizens, I would encourage you to come forward and run for the position as well. In an online community it is easy to become isolated, and getting involved in the administration of NR is an excellent way to meet people and to gain a better understanding of our mission while under the supervision of a higher magistrate. Don't hesitate to put yourself forward as a candidate; no position should go uncontested in our Republic.

Valete
T Annæus Regulus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73447 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Re: Latin
Salve Senator Audens;
are you enjoying the Turcan book on Roman religion? This summer we are celebrating the Ludi Apollinares, games to Apollo & it would be great if you would join in as you are a fine model maker.
optime vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, James Mathews <JLMTopog@...> wrote:
>
> I suppose that I shall immediately receive a good number of message
> about my views on Latin and titles. Actually , I am not interested in
> such. This argument has ben fought previously with some unable to
> contain themselves to language suitable for this or any other list.
> So, in order to save you from a possible monitoring as has happened
> elsewhere, I wish to save you from that irritating conclusion to your
> arguments.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Audens
> On Feb 11, 2010, at 5:24 PM, C.Maria Caeca wrote:
>
> > C. Maria Caeca Liviae Plautae sal,
> >
> > this sounds fascinating! thanks, I shall take a good *long* look!
> >
> > Vale bene,
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73448 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-12
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
A. Tullia Scholastica M. Minucio Audenti Cn. Cornelio Lentulo C. Mariae
Caecae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

> For those not familiar with Latin, English, which is the present
> language of world commerce and diplomacy, is the working speech of
> Nova Roma. Such was determined long ago. Latin sounds about as
> meaningful as Chinese to the ear of those who are not familiar with
> it.

There you are terribly wrong, if for no better reason than that about
60% of the English vocabulary is derived from Latin. Chinese has
contributed some words, too--but nowhere near that many. It also happens
that Chinese is completely unrelated to English, but Latin belongs to the
same language family and operates in the same fashion as does English.
Chinese does not. Moreover, Latin has been commonly taught in our high
schools for decades, if less so in recent years in the US at least, and in
fact is required in certain countries. It was required in Catholic schools
not so many years ago, and probably still is recommended even in the better
public schools. One would be hard put to find a school in the US where
Chinese is required. Even optional might be difficult, though there
certainly are areas where this is a possibility.

> I see no reason to impart on those who are not informed in Latin,
> the long Latin paragraphs of material without an English translation.

I do. It helps people learn Latin, and makes them *want* to learn it in
order to understand what is before them. Besides, since when is discussing
the proper form of a grammatical transformation from one gender to another
constitute a long paragraph *in Latin?* A long paragraph *about* Latin,
perhaps, but not one *in* Latin. If I discuss the feminine forms of the
English words 'dog,' 'horse,' 'wizard,' or 'fox' in French with, say,
Dexter, does that constitute a long paragraph in English? I don't theenk
so. Note, too, that none of these four words has any insulting content in
the masculine when correctly applied, but in the feminine, and
inappropriately applied, at least two have become less than polite: bitch,
mare, witch, and vixen.

> Were a Latin speaker to do so face to face with a non-Latin speaker
> it would be considered at the very least, a deliberate insult.

So far as I know, we Latin speakers do not wear the equivalent of yellow
stars on our clothing to designate that we are (horrors!) fluent enough in
Latin to allow conversation. How, then, should we recognize one another?
Are there special waiting rooms or classrooms or schools or drinking
fountains or bathrooms for Latin speakers? Down South they used to have
things like that for anyone who wasn't white, along with several other
charming social institutions--but then a lot of us *are* white. Should we
carry bells warning others of our presence, like lepers in ancient times?

There is nothing insulting about using Language X on a mailing list in
the presence of a speaker of Language Y--unless of course you think that the
ML is impolite for using English in the presence of numerous speakers of
other languages. It is rather impolite at the very least to force those
whose parents did not come from England, Australia, Canada, or the United
States to communicate in English, and solely in English, merely because ONE
person (or even several) does not understand any other language. This is
solipsism at its worst. Now, if two people are face to face in person, and
one is speaking a language the other does not understand, that may be a
different matter--if both are in the same country where language A is in
use, but one persists in using Language B with a speaker of Language A.
However, it could just be that someone does not know Language A, and is
trying to communicate as best he or she can. One does expect that educated
people are at least somewhat conversant with other major world languages,
such as French, German, Spanish, and, yes, Latin. All academics are
required to know at least two or three other languages--and French, German,
English, for non-native speakers of those languages, and Latin are likely to
be the most common of such required languages.


>
> I have nothing against the Latin language, or any other language for
> that matter,

Your oft-repeated remarks on this subject do not come across this way.


>but I find in the many foreign countries that I have
> visited, they make no special accommodation for my lack of their
> native language nor do I expect it. As to titles, Lentulus has the
> right of it. The titles are determined by long usage and not by
> individual ego.

Latin titles operate under Latin grammar, not anyone's ego. It is one
thing to say 'tribune of the plebs,' which is English, and another to say
'tribunus plebis,' which is Latin. When Aventina or Hortensia or any other
woman held that office, they were tribunae, not tribuni, and each was a
tribuna, not a tribunus. We have Latin titles for our offices here, and
they must obey Latin grammar when cited, even in English text. Too, you may
be misunderstanding Lentulus, who is advocating for the correct use of the
Latin titles and their feminine forms.

>The "Chairman" is the Chairman is the Chairman.

Not lately. There are chairwomen, and chairpersons, and even chairs as
well as chairmen.

> Everyone knows what that means in the English speaking world. Why
> complicate things for an individual's pride?????

Grammar has very little to do with pride--unless one is so incompetent
at that of one's native tongue as to be a laughingstock.

>There are many ways
> to determine the gender in language without changing well-determined
> titles for little gain.

A person named Lynn, or Taylor, or Madison is what gender? A person in
NR with the cognomen Caesar, or Cicero, or Caupo is what gender?
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Audens


Valete.



> On Feb 11, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus wrote:
>
>> Lentulus Catoni et Aquilae sal.
>>
>> This is a question of language rules, not a question of authenticity
>> or politics.
>>
>> In Latin, all nouns have a gender. Nouns ending in "-tor" means male
>> gender, nouns ending in "-trix" express female gender. Similarly
>> with "-us" and "-a": tribunus and tribuna.
>>
>> If you know Latin, it's abhorring to hear "Senator Fabia" as it
>> sounds nonsense (in Latin, in English NOT!). It sounds as a grammar
>> mistake. I think that there is no need in the constitution to state
>> that how male and female magistrates are to be addressed - it is
>> something the comes from the language. Or is it stated in the US
>> Constitution that if a female President of the US is elected, she
>> will have to be addressed "Madam President"? It is not. It's not a
>> matter of legislation, but a matter of etiquette.
>>
>> Think of this as follows:
>>
>> Latin ending "-tor" in titles is equivalent to English "Mr.". Latin
>> "-trix" is equivalent to "Madame", "Mrs" or "Ms".
>>
>> So Praetor translates as "Mr. Praetor".
>>
>> Praetrix translates as "Madam Praetor"
>>
>> In English there are no genders for nouns, there is no word for male
>> and female Senator; so when speaking in English, anyone can say
>> "Praetor" to female praetor, but as an effort of honouring the Latin
>> language, one can chose to use the "Praetrix" that indicates the
>> person knows how to address a female praetor in Latin. A praetrix,
>> however, is still a praetor, but a female praetor: "praetor
>> femininus = praetrix".
>>
>> This should never be a matter of legislation. That's about
>> etiquette, "mores", and Latin grammar expressing genders.
>>
>> --- Gio 11/2/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> ha scritto:
>>
>> Da: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
>> Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
>> A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>> Data: Gioved� 11 febbraio 2010, 16:00
>>
>>
>>
>> Cato Mariae Caecae omnibusque in foro SPD
>>
>> I completely understand the rationale you have, but only say that
>> again, any perceived slight in using the proper/historic form is
>> only perceived.
>>
>> As has been pointed out, women serving in positions that were
>> traditionally male are perfectly accepting of the title of office as
>> it has always been - showing, in fact, their absolute equality with
>> their male counterparts; in the United States governors, mayors,
>> senators, etc., all bear those traditional titles and to my mind, if
>> the female senators of the most powerful nation on earth are
>> satisfied with that title, I see no reason to change it - especially
>> as our law supports it.
>>
>> Under our Constitution, the proper name for the office is "praetor",
>> and that has never been changed or amended, so I shall observe the
>> proper form. If there is any hint that I might be acting solely out
>> of personal animosity, I would point out that long ago I announced
>> in the Senate that I would use a simple neutral form ("conscripti" )
>> rather than use the totally unhistoric "senatrix".
>>
>> Vale et valete,
>>
>> Cato
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "C.Maria Caeca"
>> <c.mariacaeca@ ...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S.P.S.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Hmmm ...hope I got that right! OK, to my point. One of the
>> differences between exact reconstruction and recreation is that
>> there are times when we need to adapt to the differences imposed by
>> the passage of time, major cultural changes, and the adaptations
>> they have required of us. In roma Antiqua, for example, there were
>> only praetors because, well, only men could be elected to the
>> office. I wonder, though, had there been universal suffrage ...what
>> would the ancient Romans have called a lady Praetor ...I suspect,
>> Praetrix, because that is good Latin grammar. As I understand things
>> (and keep in mind, please, that I am a mere Plebeian neophyte, Latin
>> is much fussier than English about gender. I guaranty that is is
>> about agreement in noun, adjective, etc. etc. (ad infinitis).
>>
>>>
>>
>>> We, in NR, *do* have Universal suffrage, so we can elect women as
>> anything they want to be, if they can get the votes, so I think that
>> Praetrix would be the correct term when addressing either one of
>> ours ...if we want to grammatically correct in terms of Latin ...if
>> not in terms of historical accuracy. The alternative, of course,
>> would be to allow only the guys to play in the political
>> arena ...and that would be ...um ...a rather dangerous thing to
>> attempt (big smile), because, like our Roman foremothers, we nova
>> Romanae are not delicate shrinking violets. Roses, perhaps, replete
>> with sharp thorns when the occasion warrants.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> If I am linguistally tangled, I urge someone (waves to my
>> magistra) to untangle me ...again, as usual, (grin).
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Valete Optime,
>>
>>> C. Maria Caeca, who does realize it is unnecessary to actually
>> sign posts if you say who you are in the salutation but I'm a
>> creature of habit, I guess.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73449 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: Latin
A. Tullia Scholastica M. Minucio Audenti C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus,
sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

> I suppose that I shall immediately receive a good number of message
> about my views on Latin and titles. Actually , I am not interested in
> such. This argument has ben fought previously with some unable to
> contain themselves to language suitable for this or any other list.

That wouldn't be "Latin," now would it? Or are you referring to the
potty mouth operations on the BA? The language there is beneath the dignity
of anyone with a college education, but that seems not to have restrained
the members thereof.

> So, in order to save you from a possible monitoring as has happened
> elsewhere, I wish to save you from that irritating conclusion to your
> arguments.

This seems to be a somewhat veiled reference to the fact that anyone who
dares to use any language other than English on a certain other list you
moderate is punished by being moderated for eternity or even put on no-post
status in violation of the moral law and all considerations of academic
freedom and similar issues. It can be construed equally well as a veiled
threat that no one should be so bold as to speak or write in a language
other than English in the presence of those who do not know that particular
language unless it is translated. I don't know what it will take to make
such folks understand that people who may be able to READ English may not be
able to WRITE in English, much less speak it, and that these people just
might like to communicate with others in their own language, and NOT just on
their provincial lists. The inhabitants of several countries speak Spanish,
and they are not all in the same province. The same might be said of other
languages. There is also a little matter that a good many people who have
*NO OTHER COMMON LANGUAGE COMMUNICATE IN LATIN.* Instead of making these
people feel welcome on the tiro list, they are shut up like naughty children
and treated to the equivalent of having their mouths washed out with
soap--not for using bad language that only low-class trash use in public,
but for using a language which is the mother of numerous languages and which
has contributed about 60% of the English vocabulary. It is therefore quite
easy for anyone who is an English speaker or a Romance language speaker to
figure out a good deal of Latin without benefit of formal instruction in
Latin; one just looks at the text and figures out what the words must mean.
I can do something similar with Italian, in which I have had no formal
instruction, and with Spanish, ditto, though I have taught myself some and
am learning more by absorption, reading Avitus' letters to the classes and
the various censorial documents in Spanish and Italian. One can puzzle
things out, which is one reason why these texts should not be translated
unless they relate to NR government or something similar.

It is flat-out wrong to force everyone to write in English, or to submit
to having their posts translated into English, especially on a list designed
for newcomers. Those who reach out to communicate in Latin are slapped
down, and those who reach back and respond in Latin find their posts deleted
and that they no longer can post to that list--for the heinous crimes of
writing in Latin, and of knowing that some people on this earth, no doubt
including some in NR, hate Latin! I already know that you hate me, and
probably anyone else who communicates in Latin. It would not surprise me if
you actually hate Latin; those who find it difficult, and perhaps fail it in
school, may emerge with such sentiments. You mischaracterize communication
in Latin as showing off, whereas it is simply communication, the same as
writing in English or any other language. This is hardly what one would
expect in a Roman-based organization, not to mention that it is anything but
a good example for the high school and other secondary students on this
list. Here they see an adult disrespecting Latin, and other languages; they
may find these difficult to learn, and now have their attitudes confirmed by
someone in one of the least likely places one could possibly think of.

What did Caeca say in the message copied below that has spurred this
outburst about Latin and "monitoring?" Ronnie might have said "there you go
again;" those of us who have been here long enough know your attitudes
toward foreign language, particularly Latin, all too well. They need to be
changed. Nova Roma is not the place for certain parties to drive others out
because their religion or their politics or their competence in an academic
area, but there are those here who think it is their divine right to expel
anyone who does not agree with them and/or to restrain anyone who has
language or other competencies they themselves lack. It's sad, truly sad.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Audens

Valete.

> On Feb 11, 2010, at 5:24 PM, C.Maria Caeca wrote:
>
>> C. Maria Caeca Liviae Plautae sal,
>>
>> this sounds fascinating! thanks, I shall take a good *long* look!
>>
>> Vale bene,
>>

>
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Subject: Reminder Ludi Apollinares, 2/13/2010, 12:00 pm
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73451 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: EIDIBUS FEBRUARIAE: Faunalia in insula; Virgo Vestalis Parentatio
M. Moravius Piscinus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Salvete, vosque bona Iuppiter auctet ope.

Hodie est Eidus Februariae; haec dies nefastus principio est: Faunalia in insula, feriae Iovis; Virgo Vestalis parentalis; parentatio tumulorum incipit.

"Ides, evening setting of Sagittarius with violent winter weather." ~ Columella, De Re Rustica 9.2.18

"Amorous Faunus, from whom the Nymphs flee, step lightly across my boundaries and sunny fields, and soon depart, leaving your blessing on my young lambs and kids, and leveled tender shoots." Q. Horatius Flaccus, Carmina 3.18.1-8.


AUC 557 / 196 BCE: Temple of Faunus built from fines imposed by the Tribunes.

"This year for the first time three epulones were appointed, namely C. Licinius Lucullus, one of the tribunes of the plebs who had got the law passed under which they were appointed, and with him P. Manlius and P. Portius Laeca. They were allowed by law to wear the toga praetexta like the priests. But a serious dispute broke out this year between the whole body of priests and the City quaestors, Q. Fabius Labeo and P. Aurelius. The senate had decided that the last repayment of the money subscribed for the Punic War should be made to those who had contributed and money was needed for the purpose. As the augurs and pontiffs had not made any contribution during the war, the quaestors demanded payment from them. They appealed in vain to the tribunes of the plebs, and were compelled to pay their quota for every year of the war...

"The plebeian aediles, Cn. Domitius Ahenobarbus and C. Scribonius Curio, brought several farmers of State lands before the popular tribunal; three of these were convicted, and out of the fines imposed they built a temple to Faunus on the Island." ~ Titus Livius 33.42

Faunus, Fatuus or Inuus: The "well-wisher" or good spirit of wood and plain. A God of Prophecy and the fecundity of herds, he is associated with borderlands where pastures meet with forests. He was the son of Picus in Roman legend. Faunus was later identified with the Greek Pan. Rites to Faunus are held in rural areas on the nones of each month, but especially at the Faunalia rustica on the Nonae Decembrae (5 December). Celebrated along with Faunus is Fauna, Fatua, or Damia. She was at times identified as a daughter of Faunus, at other times as his consort. Fauna was at times identified as the Bona Dea and seen as another daughter of Ceres as with the Marrucinni where the Bona Dea was called Angitina Cereris.

Faunus was not introduced into the City until the seconded century; his temple, though vowed by the tribunes in 196 BCE was not dedicated until three years later, and remained, technically, outside the City being located instead on the Tiber Isle, where it was thought he might not be able to escape into the City. He is seen, as in the legends of Numa, as a lesser god of ecstatic prophecy enjoined through incubation rites (Ovid, Fasti 4.641-672; Virgil Aeneid 7.81-101). In that, he was to become connected with the Temple of Aesculapius that was likewise built on the Isle in the River Tiber. In this he was regarded as a semi-divine, or lesser god with whom it was dangerous for women to partake in his incubation rites. There is some suggestion in Pliny that these rites may have used peony seeds and that they were a "preservative against the illusions practiced by the fauni." Women were warned from them as peonies were sometimes employed as an abortive due to its poisonous effect. Newborns were given a necklace of peony seeds as a protection against the evil eye. The seeds soaked in rainwater were also used as an amulet to protect shepherds, flocks, and crops, as it was thought to ward off witchcraft, storms, and nightmares (Pliny. N. H. 25.10).


VIRGO VESTALIS PARENTATIO

"At first, they say, Numa consecrated Gegania and Verania, followed by Canuleia and Tarpeia. Later Servius added two more, making the number six that has been maintained up to our time." ~ Plutarch, Life of Numa 10.1

On the first day of the dies parentales, the Vestal Virgins, those living symbols of pietas and castitas performed their rite of parentatio at the tomb of Tarpeia, who had been a Vestal herself. Not every family went out this day, as instead they might go on any one day, or on several days, to visit the tombs of their ancestors. Pietas required a minimum of performing a parentatio at least once a year. The Vestales led off the period of February in which this was done by most Romans, although some families apparently performed their parentatio in December, just as the Vestales also were present at the parentatio performed by the Flamen Quirinalis before the tomb of Acca Larentia on 13 December. Larentia was regarded as the mother of the Vestales Virgines. Gegania, Verania, Canuleia and Tarpeia were the first four Vestales, appointed by Numa Pompilius, and perhaps thereby seen as older sisters of the living Vestales. Parentationes were festive occasions. The family gathered at their ancestral tomb to enjoy a picnic with their ancestors. A meal was set, libations poured, flowers and incense placed at the tomb, and candles were lit and left behind as the family returned home.

An important gesture performed at a parentatio, is the adoratio. The right hand is held in a loose fist and brought to the mouth where a kiss is placed on the back of the hand or to the side of the index finger, and then the hand is touched to an altar or the feet of a statue.

"To their supplications they add to touch the altar with outstretched hand, when they make adorations at the altars because in the altars the vital force of the Manes moves strongly (Pliny NH 11.250: Has supplices attingunt, ad haec manus tendunt, haec ut aras adorant, fortasse quia inest iis vitalitas)."

The adoratio is related to touching an altar while a vow is being made. With Virgil we see Aeneas say, "Tango aras," or, "I touch the altar," as part of his vow of peace with Latinus (Virgil Aeneis XII.201). Indeed, Aeneas is depicted in a bas-relief on the Ara Pacis making such a gesture, in a scene taken from Aeneis VIII.81-5. By performing the adoration, touching an ancestral altar in which "the vital force of the Manes moves strongly," one reconnects back to the ancestors, and through them back to the Gods Themselves. The Vestales, performing their parentatio thus brought them in touch to the very origins of their order.


DIES PARENTALES

The dies parentales begin on the Ides of February at the sixth hour; that is at noon. They continue through Feralia (21 Feb.) and culminate before the following day that is reserved for the living at Carista, or cara cognatio (22 Feb.). These were not days of any official calendar. They are not days of mourning, and they were never regarded as days of ill-omen. They are part of the purification rites for month of February.

In the religio Romana, purification is tied to pietas. For the Romans piety dealt mainly with fulfilling one's obligations, especially those religious obligations owed to one's deceased family members. No finer example of Roman piety can be offered than that of C. Fabius Dorsuo:

"During these days there was little going on in Rome; the investment was maintained for the most part with great slackness; both sides were keeping quiet, the Gauls being mainly intent on preventing any of the enemy from slipping through their lines. Suddenly a Roman warrior drew upon himself the admiration of foes and friends alike. The Fabian house had an annual sacrifice on the Quirinal, and C. Fabius Dorsuo, wearing his toga in the "Gabine cincture," and bearing in his hands the sacred vessels, came down from the Capitol, passed through the middle of the hostile pickets, unmoved by either challenge or threat, and reached the Quirinal. There he duly performed all the solemn rites and returned with the same composed expression and gait, feeling sure of the divine blessing, since not even the fear of death had made him neglect the worship of the gods; finally he re-entered the Capitol and rejoined his comrades. Either the Gauls were stupefied at his extraordinary boldness, or else they were restrained by religious feelings, for as a nation they are by no means inattentive to the claims of religion." ~ Livy 5.46.1-3

In Rome's hierarchal society, where the Gods were regarded an essential part at the top of the society, it was important that rites for dead be maintained. The spirits of the dead were the Lares of families and of the City itself. The are at the lower end of society among the celestial Gods, but above those of the society of mortals. This intermediate position in the hierarchy of things meant that they also the intermediaries to the Gods on the City's behalf. Thus they were essential in providing the bonds that formed the Pax Deorum. Losing the favor of the Lares by neglecting the rites due to them would upset the compact with the Gods and thus jeapordize the safety of society. This was essentially the charge laid against Clodius by Cicero, that by having himself adopted into a plebeian family Clodius was neglecting the cultus of his patrician family. (Not true, really, since Clodius had an older brother, Appius Claudius Pulcher, who would have been responsible for the family cultus.) We can then understand, too, how Cicero so emphasized piety to one's Lares in his laws for an idealized State religion.

"Private religious observances shall be continued into perpetuity. The rights of the spirits of the dead shall be holy. Good men who have died shall be held to be Gods." ~ M. Tullius Cicero, De Legibus 2.22

In order to benefit from the Pax Deorum with the higher Gods, the Di superi, one must first set aright your relations with your family, both living and dead. February, the month of purification, is devoted mainly to tending to one's ancestors, to fulfill your obligations to them before one year ends and a new year begins.


AUC 947 / 194 CE: Septimus Severus recognized as Emperor in Egypt.


Our thought for today is from Marucus Aurelius, Meditations 6.17

"Above, below, all around are the movements of the elements. But the motion of virtue is in none of these: it is something more divine, and advancing by a way hardly observed it goes happily on its road."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73452 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
Cato Maiori sal.

Just because you've used a term doesn't make it either correct or useful. It simply means that you've used it.

Just as a matter of correction, the use of the words you've described - poetess, sculptress, authoress - are extremely rarely used, if at all anymore; even most serious female performers refer to themselves as "actors". The segregation of artisans based on their sex has been rejected as more of a detriment than the use of these "feminized" versions is worth.

What is demonstrably utterly traditional and Roman is the use of the words as the Romans used them.

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Scholasticae Caecaeque spd
> oh my what nonsense. I unexpectedly had to become the governor of Hibernia way back in 2004 and I was called and used the term propraetrix. I've since been tribuna, questrix, praetrix, senatrix and also Flaminica.
>
> the only historic thing is that the founders Vedius and Cassius didn't know Latin & 10 years later still are in the same unenlightened state..
>
> I agree with Scholastica, English has many words with feminine endings; actress, poetess, sculptress, authoress and I think we should re-embrace them, being proud to be distinguished as women.
>
> We should all aspire to Latinity, that is utterly traditional and utterly Roman;-) it may take time, it has for me, but so what, one day this ML will be entirely in Latin! And we'll get there one word at a time.
> vale
> Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73453 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Most distinguished Senator Audens

In the 1930's Ameilia Earhart was titled an "Aviatrix" in the US English-speaking newspapers as a matter of respect for her accomplishments both as a pilot and as a woman. It is not an alien concept to English, or to time-honored traditions of which we are both aware. In the Army or Navy we respected the rank by addressing officers with proper military etiquette, and when the officer was a woman that was expressed in the way she was addressed. Addressing a Senatrix or a Praetrix, with these titles, is likewise a matter of showing respect for the office and for the person holding the office.

In Roma antiqua, women were not praetrices, although women did hold public offices. They were flamines augustales, sacerdotes, and held other public religious offices. In public the matrons of the City were addressed as "Domina," even by their husbands. Mothers were honored by the State, the mothers of triplets were given special consideration by the State. Vestales were specially respected, unlike in Nova Roma. Tribunes did not dare confront a Vestal, praetores did not, consuls did not, whenever a Vestal placed her protection over a person. Vestal did not have to swear oaths before the praetors because their word was respected as sacred. And for that reason, too, when a Vestal spoke warnings, the Senate listened. The early Republic was inspired by Cloelia. Women were remembered for saving Rome from the advance of Coriolanus. Women were central to the religio Romana, a balance to the roles performed by men, and in civic life women were as important to Roman State as they were to Sparta.

But in our modern, more advanced, more liberated civitas, women in Nova Roma receive derision and insult. They are attacked in public for being women. They are harassed and intimidated in private emails. And they receive little support from the rest of us here when they are being degraded and denigrated by some of our own civic and religious leaders.

Is there any reason to wonder why Nova Roma has so few women among its citizens, or why Nova Roma fails to retain active women in our community? Where are Senatrices Julilla and Arnamentia now? Where is Pontifex Antonia or the other women pontifices we had in the past?Where is Flavia Claudia now, who founded the Vestales Virgines in Nova Roma? Or the other Vestales who were driven away by the comments of a few crass and vulgar individuals? Why did Nova Roma fail to keep the women who were being trained as new Vestales last year, or fail now to retain women as sacerdotes or scribae, senatrices, and magistratae?

Romulus understood that there would be no future for Rome if it remained without women. Is it unreasonable to think that our more modern, democratic, liberated community in Nova Roma would have a Senate and magistrates who would be awakend to the problem we have here in Nova Roma? When any one woman is insulted as have our Virgo Maxima last year, or as some of our other women have been now and in the past, all women in Nova Roma rightly feel indignant as though they had themselves been insulted. And in fact when someone calls any woman a rag to mop the floors of brothels, he shows disrespect to all women. When a senator attacks a Vestal, the very symbol of holiness and womanhood, deriding her and her office of Vestal with lewd jokes, he has attacked all women in Nova Roma. Indeed, such verbal abuse against a Vestal is an attack on Nova Roma itself, because it convinces other women that Nova Roma itself is hostile towards women, and their departure leaves Nova Roma unstable.

How much better could Nova Roma become, how much stronger and vibrant if we were able to be joined by our wives and girlfriends and daughters as citizens in Nova Roma? That will only happen when Nova Roma is able to provide a respectful enviroment, a wholesome atmosphere for all of our citizens. But to do so will require a change among our male leaders first, for women will look to them first for the respect they deserve and to protect their interests.

Recognizing a women in her office by addressing her as a senatrix or a praetrix is a very small thing. Or recognizing that our Senate has matres as well as patres when we address the whole Senate, takes just a little more effort. But publically refusing to do so has a far longer impact, not because you particularly disrepect women, but because it indicates to all women that you cannot be looked to for support against those in Nova Roma who do harass and verbally abuse women. And if women cannot look to our Senators and Pontifices for support against the puerile assaults of a few individuals, then women will continue to depart from Nova Roma and we in turn will remain unable to meet any of our goals in the future. In the last census, conducted in 2007, women made up only 18% of our citizens, actually a slight increase over the previous census in 2005. But in the last two years, as the atmosphere in Nova Roma has once again become hostile towards women and as half of our Senatrices have left the Senate, how has it affected the number of women here, and what shall this year's census reveal?

It is simple. Nova Roma needs more women. We cannot attain or keep more women unless we provide women with an atmosphere that is amiable towards women being among us. To have such an atmosphere, we men must first begin to listen to the women, and change our attitudes to their situation in our community. We men must take that initiative to change our own perspective or there is little hope for Nova Roma ever succeeding.

Respectfully Yours

M. Moravius Piscinus

Senator Consularius
Pontifex Maximus
Magister Collegium Augurum



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, James Mathews <JLMTopog@...> wrote:
>
> For those not familiar with Latin, English, which is the present
> language of world commerce and diplomacy, is the working speech of
> Nova Roma. Such was determined long ago. Latin sounds about as
> meaningful as Chinese to the ear of those who are not familiar with
> it. I see no reason to impart on those who are not informed in Latin,
> the long Latin paragraphs of material without an English translation.
> Were a Latin speaker to do so face to face with a non-Latin speaker
> it would be considered at the very least, a deliberate insult.
>
> I have nothing against the Latin language, or any other language for
> that matter, but I find in the many foreign countries that I have
> visited, they make no special accommodation for my lack of their
> native language nor do I expect it. As to titles, Lentulus has the
> right of it. The titles are determined by long usage and not by
> individual ego. The "Chairman" is the Chairman is the Chairman.
> Everyone knows what that means in the English speaking world. Why
> complicate things for an individual's pride????? There are many ways
> to determine the gender in language without changing well-determined
> titles for little gain.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Audens
> On Feb 11, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus wrote:
>
> > Lentulus Catoni et Aquilae sal.
> >
> > This is a question of language rules, not a question of authenticity
> > or politics.
> >
> > In Latin, all nouns have a gender. Nouns ending in "-tor" means male
> > gender, nouns ending in "-trix" express female gender. Similarly
> > with "-us" and "-a": tribunus and tribuna.
> >
> > If you know Latin, it's abhorring to hear "Senator Fabia" as it
> > sounds nonsense (in Latin, in English NOT!). It sounds as a grammar
> > mistake. I think that there is no need in the constitution to state
> > that how male and female magistrates are to be addressed - it is
> > something the comes from the language. Or is it stated in the US
> > Constitution that if a female President of the US is elected, she
> > will have to be addressed "Madam President"? It is not. It's not a
> > matter of legislation, but a matter of etiquette.
> >
> > Think of this as follows:
> >
> > Latin ending "-tor" in titles is equivalent to English "Mr.". Latin
> > "-trix" is equivalent to "Madame", "Mrs" or "Ms".
> >
> > So Praetor translates as "Mr. Praetor".
> >
> > Praetrix translates as "Madam Praetor"
> >
> > In English there are no genders for nouns, there is no word for male
> > and female Senator; so when speaking in English, anyone can say
> > "Praetor" to female praetor, but as an effort of honouring the Latin
> > language, one can chose to use the "Praetrix" that indicates the
> > person knows how to address a female praetor in Latin. A praetrix,
> > however, is still a praetor, but a female praetor: "praetor
> > femininus = praetrix".
> >
> > This should never be a matter of legislation. That's about
> > etiquette, "mores", and Latin grammar expressing genders.
> >
> > --- Gio 11/2/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> ha scritto:
> >
> > Da: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
> > Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
> > A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Data: Giovedì 11 febbraio 2010, 16:00
> >
> >
> >
> > Cato Mariae Caecae omnibusque in foro SPD
> >
> > I completely understand the rationale you have, but only say that
> > again, any perceived slight in using the proper/historic form is
> > only perceived.
> >
> > As has been pointed out, women serving in positions that were
> > traditionally male are perfectly accepting of the title of office as
> > it has always been - showing, in fact, their absolute equality with
> > their male counterparts; in the United States governors, mayors,
> > senators, etc., all bear those traditional titles and to my mind, if
> > the female senators of the most powerful nation on earth are
> > satisfied with that title, I see no reason to change it - especially
> > as our law supports it.
> >
> > Under our Constitution, the proper name for the office is "praetor",
> > and that has never been changed or amended, so I shall observe the
> > proper form. If there is any hint that I might be acting solely out
> > of personal animosity, I would point out that long ago I announced
> > in the Senate that I would use a simple neutral form ("conscripti" )
> > rather than use the totally unhistoric "senatrix".
> >
> > Vale et valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "C.Maria Caeca"
> > <c.mariacaeca@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S.P.S.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Hmmm ...hope I got that right! OK, to my point. One of the
> > differences between exact reconstruction and recreation is that
> > there are times when we need to adapt to the differences imposed by
> > the passage of time, major cultural changes, and the adaptations
> > they have required of us. In roma Antiqua, for example, there were
> > only praetors because, well, only men could be elected to the
> > office. I wonder, though, had there been universal suffrage ...what
> > would the ancient Romans have called a lady Praetor ...I suspect,
> > Praetrix, because that is good Latin grammar. As I understand things
> > (and keep in mind, please, that I am a mere Plebeian neophyte, Latin
> > is much fussier than English about gender. I guaranty that is is
> > about agreement in noun, adjective, etc. etc. (ad infinitis).
> >
> > >
> >
> > > We, in NR, *do* have Universal suffrage, so we can elect women as
> > anything they want to be, if they can get the votes, so I think that
> > Praetrix would be the correct term when addressing either one of
> > ours ...if we want to grammatically correct in terms of Latin ...if
> > not in terms of historical accuracy. The alternative, of course,
> > would be to allow only the guys to play in the political
> > arena ...and that would be ...um ...a rather dangerous thing to
> > attempt (big smile), because, like our Roman foremothers, we nova
> > Romanae are not delicate shrinking violets. Roses, perhaps, replete
> > with sharp thorns when the occasion warrants.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > If I am linguistally tangled, I urge someone (waves to my
> > magistra) to untangle me ...again, as usual, (grin).
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Valete Optime,
> >
> > > C. Maria Caeca, who does realize it is unnecessary to actually
> > sign posts if you say who you are in the salutation but I'm a
> > creature of habit, I guess.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73454 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:26 PM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:

> Most distinguished Senator Audens
>
> In the 1930's Ameilia Earhart was titled an "Aviatrix" in the US
> English-speaking newspapers as a matter of respect for her accomplishments
> both as a pilot and as a woman.


This was the 1930s. Another, feminist, view of looking at this is that she
was referred to as an aviatrix to distinguish her from the 'real' aviators,
i.e. men. From the 70s on women in Britain fought to drop these artificial
distinctions and be named by the job they were doing - aviator, poet,
sculptor, comedian etc and not the demeaning poetess, comedienne etc.


>
> How much better could Nova Roma become, how much stronger and vibrant if we
> were able to be joined by our wives and girlfriends and daughters as
> citizens in Nova Roma? That will only happen when Nova Roma is able to
> provide a respectful enviroment, a wholesome atmosphere for all of our
> citizens. But to do so will require a change among our male leaders first,
> for women will look to them first for the respect they deserve and to
> protect their interests.
>

I'm sorry but, as a feminist, I find this utterly demeaning. I have not been
a feminist since the 70s and fought tooth and nail for equality in law and
in the workplace to be told I need men to protect my interest. Believe me i
look to no man to do that. As citizens we should all look out for each
other. We should respect each other where respect is deserved and earned.

But to say I deserve respect simply for being a woman is downright
insulting. It totally wipes out 40 years of the feminist fight for equality
and if that is nova Roma's stance then I would be ashamed to recommend it to
any of my friends or even admit to being a part of it.

As a woman, I am not a second class citizen. We are not the 'weaker' sex. I
do not need to be coddled and protected by men and to suggest I do is
downright insulting.

>
> And if women cannot look to our Senators and Pontifices for support
> against the puerile assaults of a few individuals, then women will continue
> to depart from Nova Roma


And if women continue to be told we need the support and protection of men
and are incapable of standing on their own feet then, yes Nova Roma will
continue to lose women.

It is simple. Nova Roma needs more women. We cannot attain or keep more
> women unless we provide women with an atmosphere that is amiable towards
> women being among us.
>

And the first step in doing that would be to convince women that you truly
see them as equals and not the weaker sex in need of protection from the
men.

Flavia Lucilla Merua


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73455 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Parentatio
Maxima Valeria Messallina omnibus S.P.D.
 
 
Today is the Parentatio and on this day the Vestal Virgins visited the tomb of the Vestal, Tarpeia, and prayed for all deceased Romans. 
 
At about 5:30 a.m. this morning, I began the laborious process of making a fire in my outdoor hearth (by friction created by rubbing two pieces of wood together). At around 6:20, several friends arrived who had wanted to attend this ritual. There were ten women, three girls, three men and one boy. The fact that today is a Saturday I feel helped to increase the number of attendees to more than double what I had last year (which was six guests). 
One of the men gave me a bottle of wine (Brunelli Amarone Campo del Titari for those of you who know wines) as an offering to Vesta for a loved one who had passed away a few months ago. That was a first. I offered it as a libation and poured it into the ground all around the hearth when the time came to make the offerings
The ritual began promptly at dawn, which today was at 6:40. The morning air was cold, but the birds were singing all around us. The sky was cloudless and the temperature was 46 degrees Fahrenheit (about 8 degrees Celsius). A big improvement over last year when it rained so hard that I couldn't start the ritual until nine o'clock.
Prayers were said for all deceased Nova Romans, their deceased Loved Ones and their deceased Beloved Pets. 
At the end of the ritual, I left an offering of cat food for the feral cats that occasionally come by (following the Roman custom to make an offering to a cat at funerals, something I learned last year on the Religio Romana list), but I put it a good distance from the hearth as the fire was left to go out on its own. 
 
After the ritual, I had a morning buffet for my guests, which was outside on my patio so I could keep an eye on the fire. I kept checking it with some concern because it seemed to burn on for a longer time than it normally does for the size of the fire I had made. I wonder if that was not an omen of some sort? The fire finally did go out about forty-five minutes after the end of the ritual.
 
After everyone had finished eating and the fire was out, I brought the Nova Roma Micine to greet the guests. Needless to say, everyone was delighted to pet them and play with them.
I changed out of my Vestal attire, put the Micine into their strollers and took my guests on a walk down to the beach so we could take the food that was left over from the buffet to feed the sea gulls, the sight of which made the Micine very happy. J
 
During the meal, two feral cats appeared and ate the offering I had left. During the play time with the Micine, two very large crows appeared. One perched itself on the top of the hearth and the other was on the ground right in the exact spot where I had stood to perform most of the ritual. Both crows watched us for several minutes before flying off. I took both these signs as good omens that the ritual had been pleasing to Vesta.
 
Valete bene in pace Deorum,
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis
Virgo Maxima
 

"Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."
"Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73456 From: Robert Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: Latin
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Minucio Audenti C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus,
> sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> > I suppose that I shall immediately receive a good number of message
> > about my views on Latin and titles. Actually , I am not interested in
> > such. This argument has ben fought previously with some unable to
> > contain themselves to language suitable for this or any other list.
>
> That wouldn't be "Latin," now would it? Or are you referring to the
> potty mouth operations on the BA? The language there is beneath the dignity
> of anyone with a college education, but that seems not to have restrained
> the members thereof.
>


LOL!!!!!

As one of the owners of the BackAlley and a fellow academic, we who are subscribed on the back alley do not prefer to sanitize the actual ancients like Ovid who wrote his book on how to seduce married women...or the residents of ancient Pompeii who had artistic cocks posted literally everywhere.

The gutter mouth, that obviously scares you, is more accurate in terms of Roman life than anything posted on the ML. That this shares a common place on the BA as well as discussions of abstracts of dissertations related to Republican and Imperial Rome must literally scare you as you keep mentioning the most busiest list tangently related to NR.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73457 From: Robert Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Beautiful response! A true work of art right here!

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:26 PM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:
>
> > Most distinguished Senator Audens
> >
> > In the 1930's Ameilia Earhart was titled an "Aviatrix" in the US
> > English-speaking newspapers as a matter of respect for her accomplishments
> > both as a pilot and as a woman.
>
>
> This was the 1930s. Another, feminist, view of looking at this is that she
> was referred to as an aviatrix to distinguish her from the 'real' aviators,
> i.e. men. From the 70s on women in Britain fought to drop these artificial
> distinctions and be named by the job they were doing - aviator, poet,
> sculptor, comedian etc and not the demeaning poetess, comedienne etc.
>
>
> >
> > How much better could Nova Roma become, how much stronger and vibrant if we
> > were able to be joined by our wives and girlfriends and daughters as
> > citizens in Nova Roma? That will only happen when Nova Roma is able to
> > provide a respectful enviroment, a wholesome atmosphere for all of our
> > citizens. But to do so will require a change among our male leaders first,
> > for women will look to them first for the respect they deserve and to
> > protect their interests.
> >
>
> I'm sorry but, as a feminist, I find this utterly demeaning. I have not been
> a feminist since the 70s and fought tooth and nail for equality in law and
> in the workplace to be told I need men to protect my interest. Believe me i
> look to no man to do that. As citizens we should all look out for each
> other. We should respect each other where respect is deserved and earned.
>
> But to say I deserve respect simply for being a woman is downright
> insulting. It totally wipes out 40 years of the feminist fight for equality
> and if that is nova Roma's stance then I would be ashamed to recommend it to
> any of my friends or even admit to being a part of it.
>
> As a woman, I am not a second class citizen. We are not the 'weaker' sex. I
> do not need to be coddled and protected by men and to suggest I do is
> downright insulting.
>
> >
> > And if women cannot look to our Senators and Pontifices for support
> > against the puerile assaults of a few individuals, then women will continue
> > to depart from Nova Roma
>
>
> And if women continue to be told we need the support and protection of men
> and are incapable of standing on their own feet then, yes Nova Roma will
> continue to lose women.
>
> It is simple. Nova Roma needs more women. We cannot attain or keep more
> > women unless we provide women with an atmosphere that is amiable towards
> > women being among us.
> >
>
> And the first step in doing that would be to convince women that you truly
> see them as equals and not the weaker sex in need of protection from the
> men.
>
> Flavia Lucilla Merua
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73458 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: Parentatio
Crispus Messallina omnibus S.P.D.


> Prayers were said for all deceased Nova Romans, their deceased Loved
Ones and their deceased Beloved Pets.

Thank you for this beautiful message, which meant a great deal to me
this year.

May the Gods bless you, your office and your work.

Vale bene in pace Deorum

Gaius Marcius Crispus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73459 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Salvete Quirites;

1. first of all Merula, you've been a civis since 2002 and have done 0 for Nova Roma, you have no civil service record.

2. You are Sulla's buddy & hang out with him at the BA, naturally they don't call you & co. there, the vile things they call others.

3. If you actually knew something about Roman religion, you would know the Vestals were held in the highest respect, given unheard of honours. That is our mos not 1970's Britain.

The Virgo Maximas is the First Woman in Nova Roma, her exemplary devotion deserves the utmost respect of all citizens!!

The active women of Nova Roma, those who actually work hard, contribute; Maxima Messallina Virgo Maxima, L. Julia Aquila Sacerdos Veneris,with an active temple in Tennessee A. Tullia Scholastica, Senatrix, Praetrix, Quastrix and scholarly Latinist Myself: Senatrix, Praetrix, Flaminica,etc are repelled by the misogyny, disrespect.

It drives women away. I recruited 2 female citizens and they left.

That's the reality not Sulla, Cato and his cronies. Sulla got 1 person to show up for his BA/California Conventus in Las Vegas, I'm told Agrippa from Canada.

The Matrones of Nova Roma should be honored, respected by all citizens!!
Iuno nobis favet: may Iuno favour us!
M. Hortensia Maior







--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:26 PM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:
>
> > Most distinguished Senator Audens
> >
> > In the 1930's Ameilia Earhart was titled an "Aviatrix" in the US
> > English-speaking newspapers as a matter of respect for her accomplishments
> > both as a pilot and as a woman.
>
>
> This was the 1930s. Another, feminist, view of looking at this is that she
> was referred to as an aviatrix to distinguish her from the 'real' aviators,
> i.e. men. From the 70s on women in Britain fought to drop these artificial
> distinctions and be named by the job they were doing - aviator, poet,
> sculptor, comedian etc and not the demeaning poetess, comedienne etc.
>
>
> >
> > How much better could Nova Roma become, how much stronger and vibrant if we
> > were able to be joined by our wives and girlfriends and daughters as
> > citizens in Nova Roma? That will only happen when Nova Roma is able to
> > provide a respectful enviroment, a wholesome atmosphere for all of our
> > citizens. But to do so will require a change among our male leaders first,
> > for women will look to them first for the respect they deserve and to
> > protect their interests.
> >
>
> I'm sorry but, as a feminist, I find this utterly demeaning. I have not been
> a feminist since the 70s and fought tooth and nail for equality in law and
> in the workplace to be told I need men to protect my interest. Believe me i
> look to no man to do that. As citizens we should all look out for each
> other. We should respect each other where respect is deserved and earned.
>
> But to say I deserve respect simply for being a woman is downright
> insulting. It totally wipes out 40 years of the feminist fight for equality
> and if that is nova Roma's stance then I would be ashamed to recommend it to
> any of my friends or even admit to being a part of it.
>
> As a woman, I am not a second class citizen. We are not the 'weaker' sex. I
> do not need to be coddled and protected by men and to suggest I do is
> downright insulting.
>
> >
> > And if women cannot look to our Senators and Pontifices for support
> > against the puerile assaults of a few individuals, then women will continue
> > to depart from Nova Roma
>
>
> And if women continue to be told we need the support and protection of men
> and are incapable of standing on their own feet then, yes Nova Roma will
> continue to lose women.
>
> It is simple. Nova Roma needs more women. We cannot attain or keep more
> > women unless we provide women with an atmosphere that is amiable towards
> > women being among us.
> >
>
> And the first step in doing that would be to convince women that you truly
> see them as equals and not the weaker sex in need of protection from the
> men.
>
> Flavia Lucilla Merua
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73460 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: Parentatio
M. Hortensia Max. Valeriae Messallinae spd;
tibi gratias maximas ago
for your great work on behalf of Nova Roma

There is no Nova Roma without the Virgo Maxima

Vesta Novae Romae favet! May Vesta be propitious to Nova Roma
M. Hortensia Maior


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS" <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:
>
>
> Crispus Messallina omnibus S.P.D.
>
>
> > Prayers were said for all deceased Nova Romans, their deceased Loved
> Ones and their deceased Beloved Pets.
>
> Thank you for this beautiful message, which meant a great deal to me
> this year.
>
> May the Gods bless you, your office and your work.
>
> Vale bene in pace Deorum
>
> Gaius Marcius Crispus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73461 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:32 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
> 1. first of all Merula, you've been a civis since 2002 and have done 0 for
> Nova Roma, you have no civil service record.
>

Maior you are absolutely right. I joined Nova Roma in 2002 and by the time I
felt confident enough to offer my services I had been struck down with
myalgic encephalomyelitis and have been severely ill ever since. I am
practically housebound, very often bedbound and sometimes unable to sit up
to access my laptop for days on end, My energy is severely limited and there
is no way I would stand for office when there is no guarantee I could
fulfill my duties.

>
> 2. You are Sulla's buddy & hang out with him at the BA, naturally they
> don't call you & co. there, the vile things they call others.
>

I joined the main list first, then the Taverna and the Back Alley. None of
that makes me Sulla's 'buddy'. I don't agree with everything Sulla says (I
don't agree with everything anyone in Nova Roma says) In fact at times I
have openly disagreed with him on the BA. You're right they've never called
me vile things but if they did I would immediately take them to task about
it and stand up for myself not bleat for a man to do it for me.

>
> 3. If you actually knew something about Roman religion, you would know the
> Vestals were held in the highest respect, given unheard of honours. That is
> our mos not 1970's Britain.
>

As you know, it was a love for the Religio Romana and Vesta in particular
that brought me to Nova Roma. However no amount of respect shown to Vesta or
the Vestals should be translated into all women needing to be protected by
men. That is simply demeaning to all women.

>
> The Virgo Maximas is the First Woman in Nova Roma, her exemplary devotion
> deserves the utmost respect of all citizens!!
>

And I have never claimed differently.

>
> The active women of Nova Roma, those who actually work hard, contribute;
> Maxima Messallina Virgo Maxima, L. Julia Aquila Sacerdos Veneris,with an
> active temple in Tennessee A. Tullia Scholastica, Senatrix, Praetrix,
> Quastrix and scholarly Latinist Myself: Senatrix, Praetrix, Flaminica,etc
> are repelled by the misogyny, disrespect.
>

And I and other women are absolutely repelled by the demeaning, chauvinistic
attitude that we are too weak to stand on our own feet but need protection
from men. I may be physically too weak to stand much of the time but believe
me, my spirit's never been crushed. I still feel the need to fight for
equality.

>
> It drives women away. I recruited 2 female citizens and they left.
>

I recruited one male who had applied for citizenship. However the infighting
on the main list, the ignoring the Tribunes and the refusal of the Consuls
to address certain issues put him off and he left. It happens.

>
> That's the reality not Sulla, Cato and his cronies. Sulla got 1 person to
> show up for his BA/California Conventus in Las Vegas, I'm told Agrippa from
> Canada.
>

This, like most of your post, has absolutely nothing to do with the fact
that, as a woman, I want the respect of being treated as an equal, not a
weaker vessel that needs protection.

>
> The Matrones of Nova Roma should be honored, respected by all citizens!!
>

Respect should be freely given to those we feel worthy of it. Maybe, Maior,
you live in a world where you feel you need to be protected by men. That's
fine by me, after all in the sisterhood we fought for a woman's right to
choose her own lifestyle, not have it imposed on her by men. In sisterhood,
do me the honour of reciprocating. Just because you feel the need to be
respected and protected as a woman, don't try to impose that on me. I fought
for equality, not to be treated as a weaker vessel.

In what is loosely called the post-feminist era why should women wish to
join an organisation that denies them true equality but humiliates and
demeans them as in need of protection.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

>
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73462 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Salve Merula;
I am sorry you are ill, were ill, but you still can be a positive voice and contribute to Nova Roma. In fact why not contribute to the upcoming Ludi to Apollo.

Instead of hanging out on the BA, hang out on the M L and religio lists, you'll learn a lot. Sulla, Cato et al. have achieved nothing but online arguing and destructiveness.

As a devotee of Vesta you can also support the Virgo Maxima and all her hard work, if you can, ask if you can help her.
Apollo Medicus te favet
Maior

---
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73463 From: q_caecilius Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Q Caecilius Metellus M Hortensiae scripsit:

> 1. first of all Merula, you've been a civis since 2002 and have
> done 0 for Nova Roma, you have no civil service record.

How, precisely, is that relevant to this conversation? She already explained the reasons behind that; at any rate, she is still a citizen of Nova Roma and a woman, neither of which are necessary, but both of which qualify her for participation in this discussion.

> 2. You are Sulla's buddy & hang out with him at the BA, naturally
> they don't call you & co. there, the vile things they call others.

You think that everyone who chooses to converse on the Back Alley is somehow buddies with Sulla. That's not anywhere near entirely true. Did you ever stop to consider some of the vile things to do to others? Right now you're trying to bully someone out of a conversation!

> 3. If you actually knew something about Roman religion, you would
> know the Vestals were held in the highest respect, given unheard of
> honours. That is our mos not 1970's Britain.
>
> The Virgo Maximas is the First Woman in Nova Roma, her exemplary
> devotion deserves the utmost respect of all citizens!!
>
> The active women of Nova Roma, those who actually work hard,
> contribute; Maxima Messallina Virgo Maxima, L. Julia Aquila
> Sacerdos Veneris,with an active temple in Tennessee A. Tullia
> Scholastica, Senatrix, Praetrix, Quastrix and scholarly Latinist
> Myself: Senatrix, Praetrix, Flaminica,etc are repelled by the
> misogyny, disrespect.
>
> It drives women away. I recruited 2 female citizens and they left.

Prove it! Prove it here that women are hated in Nova Roma *for being women*. Prove it that women are not welcome here *for being women*. Prove, conclusively, that the underlying cause for the lack of respect some women receive is due to the fact that they are women, and not due to the things they do.

Why, precisely, did those two individuals leave? Naturally, proof would be necessary that such were the reasons they left, for whatever reasons you give.

> That's the reality not Sulla, Cato and his cronies. Sulla got 1
> person to show up for his BA/California Conventus in Las Vegas, I'm
> told Agrippa from Canada.

Again, how is that relevant? The fact is, it isn't relevant, in any way, shape, or form.

> The Matrones of Nova Roma should be honored, respected by all
> citizens!!

Individuals should be honoured and respected for the things they do; those who do things which are unworthy of respect, or moreso, worthy of disrespect, should lose the same, whether they are man or woman.

Di Romanos incolumes custodiant.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73464 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S.P.D.



It distresses me that I seem to have initiated what I was trying to prevent. While I had determined to say no more on this subject, I feel that there are several points I must address, if only for the admittedly egotistic satisfaction of making (or trying to make) myself clear.



I spoke abut the use of feminine endings of certain magisterial titles simply, and solely, as a matter of grammar, and, ultimately, of choice. I do realize that certain words, such as tribune, consul and praetor have become virtually a part of English vocabulary, which says more about the closeness of our association as a culture with that of Rome than anything else, since we have none of these offices in the modern world, at least none that I know of. It simply occurred to me that we have an opportunity to choose to abide by the rules of Latin grammar, here, perhaps, in a small way, to reinforce what we are, an organization dedicated to the recreation of the Res Publica, in so far as we can. I saw no insult to anyone, thus responded to none. I understand that this is a matter of choice, and respect that. I made my case, an alternate view was expressed, and, as far as I was concerned, that was that.



However, as so often happens, what was a minor comment has mushroomed, with unfortunate results. So, I find myself in the unhappy knowledge that I am probably going to annoy everyone, including those I hold in high esteem, by what I am about to say. So be it. We have established Latin as our ceremonial language, and English as our working language, for, it seems to me, good reasons that allow more easy and open communication. Of course, English being my native language, I would naturally be pleased with this arrangement, but I do understand that we are a very international group, and that many of us use English as a 2nd, or 3rd language, or do not speak or read it with any ease whatsoever. This would be true of *any* language, though, and, as English has become (whether people like it or not), the modern lingua franca for most purposes, I think it was a wise choice. I also see the merit of translating posts into our working language, and if one of our members needs help doing that, I am sure that that person will find willing assistants. In cases where communication in another language is advisable, I think private correspondence would be most appropriate. While I realize that post translations can be used as a "crutch" (although I also understand and respect the fact that not all or our members have a desire to learn Latin), it can also be a lure. I use myself to illustrate, because I can vouch for my own motives and actions. When I first joined NR, I, frankly, pretty much ignored the Latin posts, interested in getting immediately to the information they contained in a language I could understand. Gradually I began to "nibble" at them, and to carefully read the material on Latin emails, Latin phrases, and to observe such things as salutations and post endings. I was able to recognize some words, then more, and, finally, I realized that for me, full participation in NR meant ...learning Latin, and so, I am. Had those English translations not been available, I doubt seriously that I would have found my way to Gramatica I, and I, at least, would be the poorer for not doing so.



I suspect that, when most people join NR, they do so because they are interested in certain aspects of Roman culture, and either not interested in others, or have given them no thought. Hopefully, exposure will broaden and deepen those interests, and new members will find themselves investigating things that are new and wonderful. This, however, is a process, and we would do well to nourish, not attempt to force, its growth.



Finally, I strongly believe that *all* people should receive civility at the very least, unless they forfeit that treatment with their behavior. If I post my views and someone disagrees with me, even sharply, that's fine, because by posting, I invited (but cannot control) discussion. If, however, that person crosses the line to disrespect, for any reason and on any level, I am perfectly capable of dealing with that behavior, and will. If a friend chooses to take my part publicly, that is one thing ...an act of friendship and support. However, if someone feels obligated to do so because I am female ...that is entirely different, and, in its way, almost as disrespectful as was the original behavior. We should be concerned about the way people here are treated ...all people ...because they are valued citizens, members or guests, not because of their gender. If women are being insulted in NR, and they have done nothing to deserve it, or a line has been crossed, it is their responsibility to deal with those insults, using whatever means of redress are available to them. I do not include insults to the Virgo Maxima here, because she, in her position as Virgo Maxima represents Vesta, who is the heart of our Res publica, as she was of Roma Antiqua. However, when she acts as tribuna, she has placed herself in the political arena, and should expect the same treatment as other politicians receive, though even politicians should, I think, be treated with civility and respect, unless they, themselves descend into inappropriate behavior. Even then, I, for one, do not consider responding in kind appropriate, since it accomplishes nothing except to illicit more inappropriate behavior.



It is true that I do not have a long and illustrious Civil Service record, here. It is true that I am not a religious official. As I have not exposed myself in the political arena or in other controversial areas, it is true that there has been much opportunity for me to be ill-treated, and, for the most part, I have not been. When I was, I addressed the matter once publicly, and once privately, and neither expect nor wish it to be any other way.



Valete bene,


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73465 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
Maior Metello spd;
when the most active women in Nova Roma complain about respect then you should listen.

But you don't Metelle, which is why you are in trouble in the CP. The Virgo Maxima is the most respected woman in Nova Roma, but rather than listen to her & what she has to say and help redress it you want to argue on the ML.
that speaks to you and what you are about....
Maior



>
>
> > The Matrones of Nova Roma should be honored, respected by all
> > citizens!!
>
> Individuals should be honoured and respected for the things they do; those who do things which are unworthy of respect, or moreso, worthy of disrespect, should lose the same, whether they are man or woman.
>
> Di Romanos incolumes custodiant.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73466 From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Equality
Q Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus sal.

M Hortensia said the following:

>  when the most active women in Nova Roma complain about respect then you should listen.
>
> But you don't Metelle, which is why you are in trouble in the CP. The Virgo Maxima is the most
> respected woman in Nova Roma, but rather than listen to her & what she has to say and help
> redress it you want to argue on the ML.
>       that speaks to you and what you are about....

To which I will respond. In the first place, the issue is the
equality of women in Nova Roma; the activity level of any individual
is irrelevant to that. Secondly, my status in the Collegium
Pontificum is irrelevant, though since M Hortensia wants to speak of
it in this forum, I'll address it.

Simply put, I am a pontifex (as it were, the only inaugurated
pontifex, to my knowledge), whether or not M Hortensia approves of
that fact, and until and unless otherwise determined. The Collegium
voted last month, as published, and the results were such that I
remain a pontifex. Whatever trouble it is about which M Hortensia
wants to speak is first, irrelevant, second, an internal matter for
the Collegium, and third, non existent.

Third, yet again, it is not a question of whether I am willing to
listen to the Virgo Maxima. I have read and am thoroughly aware of
her position on things, just as she has and is of mine, and we
disagree.

The fact that I will continue to argue my stance does speak about me,
just as the deflection from the issue and failure to provide proof of
the claims made previously (cf. message 73459 for the claims made and
message 73463 for the request for proof) speak about M Hortensia.

The question is about whether women are treated equally in Nova Roma.
For my own part, I treat females just the same as I do males, without
regard for sex or gender, and will continue to do so, just as I have
always done. Individuals are just that -- individuals. Things that
cannot be controlled (without undue hardship, such as sex) do not
factor into my consideration, nor, in my opinion, should they. I
would argue that a woman requesting some special treatment as a result
of her being female is just as sexist as a man arguing his superiority
over a woman by virtue of being male.

Much as I hate to discuss it, or even to think about it, I have had
enough experience (both directly and indirectly) to know and
understand inequality very intimately. It is partly as a result of as
much that I have always treated, and will always treat, everyone
equally at the outset, and let the actions of each individual
determine my future treatment of them. No more than that can be done,
and I certainly will not do any less.

Di Romanos incolumes custodiant.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73467 From: Robert Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
LOL See this Maior, I am laughing in your face right now. Now go and do what your lord and master commands you to do.

Sounds kinda like you are Darth Vader and Fishy is the Emperor. Go and do as he commands you to do.

Since he did tell Tink that he controls your strings. We might as well remove your name as Praetor and replace it with your master's name.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Metello spd;
> when the most active women in Nova Roma complain about respect then you should listen.
>
> But you don't Metelle, which is why you are in trouble in the CP. The Virgo Maxima is the most respected woman in Nova Roma, but rather than listen to her & what she has to say and help redress it you want to argue on the ML.
> that speaks to you and what you are about....
> Maior
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > > The Matrones of Nova Roma should be honored, respected by all
> > > citizens!!
> >
> > Individuals should be honoured and respected for the things they do; those who do things which are unworthy of respect, or moreso, worthy of disrespect, should lose the same, whether they are man or woman.
> >
> > Di Romanos incolumes custodiant.
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73468 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-13
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
C. Petronius Fl. Lucillae Merulae s.p.d.,


Une femme n'est pas toutes les femmes. Votre avis ne regarde que vous. De quelle droit parlez-vous au nom de toutes les femmes et définissez-vous le féminisme seulement à l'aune de vos vues?

Le féminisme est un grand combat pour lequel se mobilisent femmes et hommes dans toutes nos démocraties. Ici, à Nouvelle Rome, les femmes ont les mêmes droits que les hommes. Changer le genre d'un mot, passer de praetor à praetrix, lorsqu'une femme détient la fonction, peut faire partie de notre *novaromanité*.

La Constitution écrit bien ceci dans son Article I, paragraphe E:

E. The use of male pronouns and technical terms within this Constitution is done solely for clarity, and shall not be construed to imply any disparity between genders before the law.

Mais serait-ce atteindre à leur féminité que de protéger leurs différences? L'égalité n'est pas l'indifférence ni l'uniformité.

Quand un homme est rude avec une femme, quand ouvertement et en public il insulte une femme, non pas en raison d'une action condamnable, et là aussi la politesse exige un comportement respectueux, mais seulement parce qu'elle est une femme et en plus une vestale sacrée je pense qu'il est de notre devoir à nous citoyens de la Nouvelle Rome d'intervenir pour réclamer réparation. Je ne crois pas que le féminisme, sous couvert d'exiger l'égalité des droits, demande la fin de la politesse la plus élémentaire.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. XVI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73469 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin behaviour.
Dexter Sullae sal.

> As one of the owners of the BackAlley and a fellow academic, we who are subscribed on the back alley do not prefer to sanitize the actual ancients like Ovid who wrote his book on how to seduce married women...or the residents of ancient Pompeii who had artistic cocks posted literally everywhere.

Voilà donc la preuve de votre complète ignorance. Vous avez employé un mot argotique pour expliquer ce que vous ne comprenez pas. Pour les Romains le Phallus ou Fascinum (d'où vient le mot fascination) était le signe de la Félicité et de la Prospérité. Ce n'était pas de l'art cochon.

There is the proof of your complete ignorance. You say a slang word of the penis to explain something you do not understand. For Romans the Phallus or Fascinum (from which comes the word fascination) was the sign of the felicity and the prosperity. It was not artistick X.

Ovid did not write poems on how seduce married women. He wrote himself about his Ars amandi:

Usus opus movet hoc: vati parete perito
Vera canam; coeptis, mater Amoris, ades.
Este procul vittae tenues, insigne pudoris,
Quaeque tegis medios instita longa pedes:
Nos Venerem tutam concessaque furta canemus
Inque meo nullum carmine crimen erit.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. XVI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73470 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Cornelio Sullae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A.
> Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > A. Tullia Scholastica M. Minucio Audenti C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus,
>> > sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>> >
>>> > > I suppose that I shall immediately receive a good number of message
>>> > > about my views on Latin and titles. Actually , I am not interested in
>>> > > such. This argument has ben fought previously with some unable to
>>> > > contain themselves to language suitable for this or any other list.
>> >
>> > That wouldn't be "Latin," now would it? Or are you referring to the
>> > potty mouth operations on the BA? The language there is beneath the
>> dignity
>> > of anyone with a college education, but that seems not to have restrained
>> > the members thereof.
>> >
>
> LOL!!!!!
>
> As one of the owners of the BackAlley and a fellow academic, we who are
> subscribed on the back alley do not prefer to sanitize the actual ancients
> like Ovid who wrote his book on how to seduce married women...or the residents
> of ancient Pompeii who had artistic cocks posted literally everywhere.
>
> ATS: My goodness, Sulla! To what do we owe the distinction of your
> expansive presence on the ML? If, however, you will note that the above quote
> from me was referring to one from Senator Audens mentioning language
> inappropriate (quote) for this or any other list (unquote), you will see that
> your remark does not quite follow. I was asking whether Latin fell into that
> category, or whether he intended something which did occur on an existing
> list, the BA. Inasmuch as the ML has minors on it, whereas it seems that the
> BA has, however belatedly, acknowledged that impuberes do not belong there,
> such matters should be sanitized on the ML. I might add that the term you
> used to refer to the anatomical part in question is considered inappropriate
> here.
>
>
> The gutter mouth, that obviously scares you, is more accurate in terms of
> Roman life than anything posted on the ML. That this shares a common place on
> the BA as well as discussions of abstracts of dissertations related to
> Republican and Imperial Rome must literally scare you as you keep mentioning
> the most busiest list tangently related to NR.
>
> ATS: Gutter mouths don¹t scare me, but the right-brain vocabulary is
> inappropriate in a good many circumstances, indeed most of them. Moreover,
> people who have been properly brought up, whether or not educated, refrain
> from using such terminology in public. That may not have been the case in
> Rome; ancient Rome had a set of attitudes rather different from those current
> in our world. If you wish to follow Roman practice and toilet yourself in
> public under the open air as is the case with some of those fancy marble
> numbers I have seen in photographs of Rome, and clean up with a sponge on a
> stick, go right ahead, but the police might escort you to a little detention
> area...and perhaps summon the shrink.
>
> Oh, by the way...I have read some of these products of the Roman mind in
> the original Latin. I trust, too, that you are aware that a certain Ovidius
> was sent to the Roman equivalent of a cold shower in Siberia, possibly for
> some of his intellectual efforts, for they did not quite meet with the
> approval of everyone in town. And, yes, just where does he write about means
> of seducing married women? Last I heard, he condemned approaching respectable
> women for those purposes.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73471 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
>
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S.P.D.
>
> It distresses me that I seem to have initiated what I was trying to prevent.
> While I had determined to say no more on this subject, I feel that there are
> several points I must address, if only for the admittedly egotistic
> satisfaction of making (or trying to make) myself clear.
>
> I spoke abut the use of feminine endings of certain magisterial titles simply,
> and solely, as a matter of grammar, and, ultimately, of choice. I do realize
> that certain words, such as tribune, consul and praetor have become virtually
> a part of English vocabulary, which says more about the closeness of our
> association as a culture with that of Rome than anything else, since we have
> none of these offices in the modern world, at least none that I know of.
>
> ATS: Well, we do have consuls, and consuls-general.
>
>
> It simply occurred to me that we have an opportunity to choose to abide by the
> rules of Latin grammar, here, perhaps, in a small way, to reinforce what we
> are, an organization dedicated to the recreation of the Res Publica, in so far
> as we can. I saw no insult to anyone, thus responded to none. I understand
> that this is a matter of choice, and respect that. I made my case, an
> alternate view was expressed, and, as far as I was concerned, that was that.
>
> ATS: There is nothing insulting in using a feminine form of a word which
> also has a masculine one, whether in English or Latin. Or French, German,
> whatever...
>
> However, as so often happens, what was a minor comment has mushroomed, with
> unfortunate results.
>
> ATS: You expected something else in NR? Molehills frequently undergo
> orogeny, and become lofty mountains almost overnight.
>
> So, I find myself in the unhappy knowledge that I am probably going to annoy
> everyone, including those I hold in high esteem, by what I am about to say.
> So be it. We have established Latin as our ceremonial language, and English
> as our working language, for, it seems to me, good reasons that allow more
> easy and open communication. Of course, English being my native language, I
> would naturally be pleased with this arrangement, but I do understand that we
> are a very international group, and that many of us use English as a 2nd, or
> 3rd language, or do not speak or read it with any ease whatsoever. This would
> be true of *any* language, though, and, as English has become (whether people
> like it or not), the modern lingua franca for most purposes, I think it was a
> wise choice. I also see the merit of translating posts into our working
> language, and if one of our members needs help doing that, I am sure that that
> person will find willing assistants.
>
> ATS: Most of us don¹t have the time, and in any case, there is no need.
> It is not necessary to read every last post on this or any other list. Saying
> that a universal language such as Latin cannot be used without translation
> into English when someone, perhaps someone whose native tongue is little-known
> outside his or her country, is attempting to communicate with others is an
> abomination.
>
>
> In cases where communication in another language is advisable, I think private
> correspondence would be most appropriate.
>
> ATS: Not always, especially regarding the ML, where citizens from many
> language backgrounds gather. Here we reach more of our citizenry.
>
>
> While I realize that post translations can be used as a "crutch" (although I
> also understand and respect the fact that not all or our members have a desire
> to learn Latin), it can also be a lure. I use myself to illustrate, because I
> can vouch for my own motives and actions. When I first joined NR, I, frankly,
> pretty much ignored the Latin posts, interested in getting immediately to the
> information they contained in a language I could understand. Gradually I
> began to "nibble" at them, and to carefully read the material on Latin emails,
> Latin phrases, and to observe such things as salutations and post endings. I
> was able to recognize some words, then more, and, finally, I realized that for
> me, full participation in NR meant ...learning Latin, and so, I am. Had t
> hose English translations not been available, I doubt seriously that I would
> have found my way to Gramatica I, and I, at least, would be the poorer for not
> doing so.
>
> ATS: Indeed you would have been poorer for not finding your way to
> Grammatica, or one of our other Latin courses. However, translations can be
> more than a crutch; they can be an absolute impediment to learning. Even our
> Cordus, who is a fine Latinist, admitted that he would read the translation
> rather than trying to figure out the Latin. At least for those who know some
> Latin, translations are hindrances to doing the work needed to figure out a
> Latin text. Now, this may not be true of summaries, but it surely is with
> regard to actual translations, which is one of the reasons why I oppose their
> use on the various lists, especially for shorter texts and personal letters.
> I am glad that you nibbled away, and found that full participation in NR often
> does mean learning Latin. You might have gained some of that knowledge by
> seeing the salutations and closings, and the various terms we use here, such
> as capite censi (btw, where is the taxation edict hiding?) and contio and
> cohors and comitia; you might have seen it on the religious posts where both
> Latin and English are used. You might have been enticed even without
> translations of the other Latin posts.
>
> I suspect that, when most people join NR, they do so because they are
> interested in certain aspects of Roman culture, and either not interested in
> others, or have given them no thought. Hopefully, exposure will broaden and
> deepen those interests, and new members will find themselves investigating
> things that are new and wonderful. This, however, is a process, and we would
> do well to nourish, not attempt to force, its growth.
>
> Finally, I strongly believe that *all* people should receive civility at the
> very least, unless they forfeit that treatment with their behavior. If I post
> my views and someone disagrees with me, even sharply, that's fine, because by
> posting, I invited (but cannot control) discussion. If, however, that person
> crosses the line to disrespect, for any reason and on any level, I am
> perfectly capable of dealing with that behavior, and will. If a friend
> chooses to take my part publicly, that is one thing ...an act of friendship
> and support. However, if someone feels obligated to do so because I am female
> ...that is entirely different, and, in its way, almost as disrespectful as was
> the original behavior. We should be concerned about the way people here are
> treated ...all people ...because they are valued citizens, members or guests,
> not because of their gender. If women are being insulted in NR, and they have
> done nothing to deserve it, or a line has been crossed, it is their
> responsibility to deal with those insults, using whatever means of redress are
> available to them.
>
> ATS: Not everyone has the temperament to do that, or the knowledge,
> especially as a new citizen. The insults hurled at Messallina and at
> Hortensia are far beyond the pale. Neither is a new citizen, but neither
> deserved the abominable remarks directed at them, which moreover were indeed
> gender-related.
>
> I do not include insults to the Virgo Maxima here, because she, in her
> position as Virgo Maxima represents Vesta, who is the heart of our Res
> publica, as she was of Roma Antiqua. However, when she acts as tribuna, she
> has placed herself in the political arena, and should expect the same
> treatment as other politicians receive, though even politicians should, I
> think, be treated with civility and respect, unless they, themselves descend
> into inappropriate behavior.
>
> ATS: I agree; our magistrates deserve civility and respect unless their
> behavior is inappropriate.
>
> Even then, I, for one, do not consider responding in kind appropriate, since
> it accomplishes nothing except to illicit more inappropriate behavior.
>
> It is true that I do not have a long and illustrious Civil Service record,
> here. It is true that I am not a religious official. As I have not exposed
> myself in the political arena or in other controversial areas, it is true that
> there has been much opportunity for me to be ill-treated, and, for the most
> part, I have not been.
>
> ATS: You are fortunate in that respect.
>
> When I was, I addressed the matter once publicly, and once privately, and
> neither expect nor wish it to be any other way.
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Vale, et valete.
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73472 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
>
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Petronio Dextro quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> C. Petronius Fl. Lucillae Merulae s.p.d.,
>
> Une femme n'est pas toutes les femmes.
>
>
> ATS: Vraiment.
>
>
> Votre avis ne regarde que vous. De quelle droit parlez-vous au nom de toutes
> les femmes et définissez-vous le féminisme seulement à l'aune de vos vues?
>
> ATS: Assentior. My version of feminism seems to be quite different from
> that of Merula.
>
> Le féminisme est un grand combat pour lequel se mobilisent femmes et hommes
> dans toutes nos démocraties. Ici, à Nouvelle Rome, les femmes ont les mêmes
> droits que les hommes. Changer le genre d'un mot, passer de praetor à
> praetrix, lorsqu'une femme détient la fonction, peut faire partie de notre
> *novaromanité*.
>
> La Constitution écrit bien ceci dans son Article I, paragraphe E:
>
> E. The use of male pronouns and technical terms within this Constitution is
> done solely for clarity, and shall not be construed to imply any disparity
> between genders before the law.
>
> ATS: Exactly, and this is one of the reasons why praetrix is as
> appropriate as praetor as the term for the office in question.
>
> Mais serait-ce atteindre à leur féminité que de protéger leurs différences?
> L'égalité n'est pas l'indifférence ni l'uniformité.
>
> ATS: Hear, hear!
>
> Quand un homme est rude avec une femme, quand ouvertement et en public il
> insulte une femme, non pas en raison d'une action condamnable, et là aussi la
> politesse exige un comportement respectueux, mais seulement parce qu'elle est
> une femme et en plus une vestale sacrée je pense qu'il est de notre devoir à
> nous citoyens de la Nouvelle Rome d'intervenir pour réclamer réparation. Je ne
> crois pas que le féminisme, sous couvert d'exiger l'égalité des droits,
> demande la fin de la politesse la plus élémentaire.
>
> ATS: And here again I agree. The brand of feminism which deems
> elementary good manners, such as opening a door for someone or offering a seat
> on public transportation to someone as being insulting is a coarsening of the
> culture, not an exercise in equality. Can¹t say as I think much of abandoning
> the proper feminine forms of various agent nouns in a battle for supposed
> equality, either. I am the hortatrix in my classes, not the hortator; the
> magistra, not the magister.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. XVI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73473 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:54 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

> Salve Merula;
> I am sorry you are ill, were ill, but you still can be a positive voice
> and contribute to Nova Roma. In fact why not contribute to the upcoming Ludi
> to Apollo.
>

Thank you . I appreciate you didn't know my circumstances. I'm not overfond
of airing them in public. I hate pityfests. I have no intention of going
into just how ravaging this disease has become. suffice to say that my
energy is so severely limited and unpredictable that I can commit to
nothing.

>
> Instead of hanging out on the BA, hang out on the M L and religio lists,
> you'll learn a lot. Sulla, Cato et al. have achieved nothing but online
> arguing and destructiveness.
>

I am a member and post on all 3 lists. However you appear to have reached
the nub of the matter. To be accepted and treated with dignity on this or
the religio list, it would appear to me, that you have to disassociate
yourself from the Back Alley and preferably join in the general denigration
of it. Yet I've never found this argument reciprocated on the BA.

Both here and on the religio list I've found people warned that I've
contributed nothing to NR or the religio. It's been implied that I know
nothing about the religio. I've had my arguments contemptuously dismissed
because I'm supposedly a buddy of Sulla or a friend of Cato. I've been
dismissively referred to, on more than one occasion by my Yahoo ID rather
than my Nova Roman name and indeed had fun poked at it. What have I done to
cause this apart from allegedly 'hang out' on the BA and have the temerity
to refuse to toe the NR party line.

Compare that to my treatment on the BA. I have never been insulted,
dismissed or demeaned there. I've never felt the need to justify myself. Is
that because I'm in total agreement with them, certainly not! I've had many
an argument with those on that list but those arguments have been treated
fairly. They've never been dismissed because I'm allegedly a friend of
someone else or 'hang out' on the ML. Indeed when I berated Sulla about his
remarks to someone else did he scream, swear at me or dismiss me
contemptuously - no, he apologised.

I honestly don't get the whole hysteria in Nova Roma regarding the Back
Alley. I have found it a friendly and supportive place to be. I find it a
list on which you very much get treated as you treat others, they may not
suffer fools gladly but post politely and you get polite, respectful
replies. Swear or screech like a harpy and yes, they tend to give as good as
they get :-) I find it far more tolerant of differences than the ML. I like
the freedom to post freely without the implicit threats of moderation on the
ML for unfavourable views.

Does that mean I agree with everything on the BA, no. Does that mean I
always like or approve of the language used, no. Does that mean I am
interested in every post, no. But I have a delete button and know how to use
it. And to be honest, I have frequently found far more civilised and
interesting discussions on the BA than the strident and intolerant name
calling here i have witnessed here. So forgive me if, despite your
suggestion, I continue to 'hang out' on the BA. I see no reason that should
preclude me from learning here as well as there.


> As a devotee of Vesta you can also support the Virgo Maxima and all her
> hard work, if you can, ask if you can help her.
>

While I have nothing but admiration for the work of the Virgo Maxima in
honouring Vesta, as I explained earlier I reserve what little energy I have
for the exigencies of daily life and my own private devotions to the gods.
Should my circumstances change and should I feel that the Pontifex Maximus
welcomed women as equals and not in need of protection, then I would be
delighted to take up your suggestion.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73474 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
2010/2/14 A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>

> >.> ATS: Assentior. My version of feminism seems to be quite
> different from
> > that of Merula.
>

In the CR groups in the 70s, we identified 4 main forms of feminism and each
had it's own various sub-groups and individuals within them had there own
ideas, so it's hardly surprising that we are capable of following different
versions of it. Mine was by no means the most extreme. I believe in total
equality of opportunity but was uncomfortable with those strident anti-males
who tried to turn them into the enemy.

>
> > ATS: The brand of feminism which deems
> > elementary good manners, such as opening a door for someone or offering a
> seat
> > on public transportation to someone as being insulting is a coarsening of
> the
> > culture, not an exercise in equality.
>

Absolutely, I deplore the lack of manners prevalent in our society today. As
a child I was totally conditioned to give up my seat to my elders and I
brought both my children up the same way. Now that I am disabled, I am
extremely grateful when anyone of either sex offers me a seat or holds open
a door. Beforehand, as a matter of politeness I would hold open the door for
anyone I was with and give up my seat to anyone who appeared to be in
greater need. But you're surely not suggesting that men should give up their
seats to us purely because we're women? To say I'm strong enough to be
treated as an equal in the workforce and to be paid the same as the man next
to me but then say that travelling home from work, I'm the weaker sex and
require his seat would seem to me just a tad hypocritical - a wanting to
have your cake and eat it.


Flavia Lucilla Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73475 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: To those who celebrate love today :o)
C. Petronius omnibus Forensibus s.p.d.,


PERVIGILIVM VENERIS


Cras amet qui numquam amauit quique amauit cras amet.

Ver nouum, uer iam canorum, uere natus orbis natus est,
Vere concordant amores, uere nubunt alites,
Et nemus comam resoluit de maritis imbribus.
Cras amorum copulatrix inter umbras arborum
Inplicat casa uirentes de flagello myrteo:
Cras Dione iura dicit fulta sublimi throno.

Cras amet qui numquam amauit quique amauit cras amet.

Tunc cruore de superno spumeo pontus globo
Cæruleas inter cateruas, inter et bipedes equos
Fecit undantem Dionem de maritis imbribus.

Cras amet qui numquam amauit quique amauit cras amet.

Ipsa gemmis purpurantem pingit annum floridis,
Ipsa surgentes papillas de Fauoni spiritu
Urget in toros tepentes, ipsa roris lucidi,
Noctis aura quem relinquit, spargit umentis aquas.
En micant lacrimæ trementes de caduco pondere:
Gutta præceps orbe paruo sustinet casus suos.
En pudorem florulentæ prodiderunt purpuræ:
Umor ille, quem serenis astra rorant noctibus,
Mane uirgineas papillas soluit umenti peplo.
Ipsa iussit mane ut udæ uirgines nubant rosæ:
Facta Cypridis de cruore deque flabris deque Solis purpuris
Cras ruborem, qui latebat ueste tectus ignea,
Unico marita uoto non pudebit soluere.

Cras amet qui numquam amauit quique amauit cras amet.

Ipsa Nymphas diua luco iussit ire myrteo:
It puer comes puellis: nec tamen credi potest
Esse amorem feriatum, si sagittas uexerit.
Ite, Nymphæ, posuit arma, feriatus est Amor:
Iussus est inermis ire, nudus ire iussus est,
Neu quid arcu, neu sagitta, neu quid igne læderet.
Sed tamen, Nymphæ, cauete, quod Cupido pulcher est:
Totus est in armis idem quando nudus est Amor.

Cras amet qui numquam amauit quique amauit cras amet.

Conpari Venus pudore mittit ad te uirgines.
Una res est quam rogamus: cede, uirgo Delia,
Ut nemus sit incruentum de ferinis stragibus.
Ipsa uellet te rogare, si pudicam flecteret,
Ipsa uellet ut uenires, si deceret uirginem.
Iam tribus choros uideres feriantis noctibus
Congreges inter cateruas ire per saltus tuos,
Floreas inter coronas, myrteas inter casas.
Nec Ceres, nec Bacchus absunt, nec poetarum deus.
Detinenter tota nox est peruiclanda canticis:
Regnet in siluis Dione: tu recede, Delia.

Cras amet qui numquam amauit quique amauit cras amet.

Iussit Hyblæis tribunal stare diua floribus;
Præses ipsa iura dicet, adsidebunt Gratiæ.
Hybla, totus funde flores, quidquid annus adtulit;
Hybla, florum sume uestem, quantus Ætnæ campus est.
Ruris hic erunt puellæ uel puellæ fontium,
Qæque siluas, quæque lucos, quæque montes incolunt.
Iussit omnes adsidere pueri mater alitis,
Iussit et nudo puellas nil Amori credere.

Cras amet qui numquam amauit quique amauit cras amet.

Et recentibus uirentes ducat umbras floribus.
Cras erit quom primus primus Æther copulauit nuptias,
Ut pater totis crearet uernis annum nubibus:
In sinum maritus imber fluxit almæ coniugis,
Unde fetus mixtus omnis omnis aleret magno corpore.
Ipsa uenas atque mente permeanti spiritu
Intus occultis gubernat procreatrix uiribus,
Perque coelum perque terras perque pontum subditum
Peruium sui tenorem seminali tramite
Inbuit iusstque mundum nosse nascendi uias.

Cras amet qui numquam amauit quique amauit cras amet.

Ipsa Troianos nepotes in Latinos transtulit:
Ipsa Laurentem puellam coniugem nato dedit,
Moxque Marti de sacello dat pudicam uirginem:
Romuleas ipsa fecit cum Sabinis nuptias
Unde Ramnes et Quirites proque prole posterum
Romuli matrem crearet et nepotem Cæsarem;

Cras amet qui numquam amauit quique amauit cras amet.

Rura fecundat uoluptas, rura Venerem sentiunt;
Ipse Amor, puer Dionæ, rure natus dicitur.
Hunc, ager cum parturiret, ipsa suscepit sinu:
Ipsa florum delicatis educauit osculis.

Cras amet qui numquam amauit quique amauit cras amet.

Ecce iam subter genestas explicant agni latus,
Quisque tutus quo tenetur coniugali foedere.
Subter umbras cum maritis ecce balantum greges:
Et canoras non tacere diua iussit alites.
Iam loquaces ore rauco stagna cygni perstrepunt:
Adsonat Terei puella subter umbram populi,
Ut putes motus amoris ore dici musico,
Et neges queri sororem de marito barbaro.
Illa cantat, nos tacemus. Quando uer uenit meum?
Quando fiam uti chelidon, ut tacere desinam?
Perdidi Musam tacendo, nec me Phoebus respicit.
Sic Amyclas, cum tacerent, perdidit silentium.

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Amoribus vestris Venus faveat.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. XVI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73476 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
2010/2/14 petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>

> C. Petronius Fl. Lucillae Merulae s.p.d.,
>
> Une femme n'est pas toutes les femmes. Votre avis ne regarde que vous. De
> quelle droit parlez-vous au nom de toutes les femmes et définissez-vous le
> féminisme seulement à l'aune de vos vues?
>

I totally agree. I have never claimed to speak for all women. I didn't in
the 70s and I don't now. there are many branches an views of feminism. Sadly
there are still those women who wish to claim all the advantages of equality
without the disadvantages. Equality for one sex inherently implies equality
for all. i simply asked that if someone felt the need to be protected by a
man that they gave me the respect of allowing me to feel differently.

>
> Le féminisme est un grand combat pour lequel se mobilisent femmes et hommes
> dans toutes nos démocraties.


I totally agree. Unfortunately, in reality we don't even seem to have
accomplished the most basic equality of equal pay for equal work.


> Ici, à Nouvelle Rome, les femmes ont les mêmes droits que les hommes.


So I always believed. I would really hope we are treated equally and not
seen as weaker vessels who need respect and protection from men because of
our sex. Yo me that's equally abhorrent as the, now mostly outdated, view
that a man deserves the respect of women, despite his behaviour, simply
because he is a man.


> Changer le genre d'un mot, passer de praetor à praetrix, lorsqu'une femme
> détient la fonction, peut faire partie de notre *novaromanité*.
>



>
> La Constitution écrit bien ceci dans son Article I, paragraphe E:
>
> E. The use of male pronouns and technical terms within this Constitution is
> done solely for clarity, and shall not be construed to imply any disparity
> between genders before the law.
>

My argument was basically not regarding this (as a non-Latin speaker, I have
no wish to get involved in an argument regarding the appropriate declension
of Latin words) but rather the Pontifex Maximus's apparent insinuation that
all women were the weaker vessels who needed protection by men. And also how
some word endings were viewed in English today.

>
> Mais serait-ce atteindre à leur féminité que de protéger leurs différences?
> L'égalité n'est pas l'indifférence ni l'uniformité.
>

You'll have to forgive me, my French is really not that great so I feel may
be missing the nuances here. I'm unsure of exactly what you mean - my lack,
not yours. I think you may be saying that our femininity cannot be retained
without protecting our differences and that equality is not a homogeneity.
Forgive me please, if I've got that wrong. while I totally welcome and
celebrate diversity and have no desire to be the 'same' as a man (or indeed
any other female), it was one of the most basic tenets of feminism that
since women were by default the feminine gender, only women could define
femininity. To have a definition of femininity imposed by a man was
abhorrent and constraining and denied us our basic rights of self
expression. It would be equally abhorrent for a man to be taught he needed
women to protect his masculinity. Every woman would define her own
femininity in her own individual way, so I'm not sure what has to be
protected or by whom, surely not men. As I said please forgive me if I've
misunderstood you.

>
> Quand un homme est rude avec une femme, quand ouvertement et en public il
> insulte une femme, non pas en raison d'une action condamnable, et là aussi
> la politesse exige un comportement respectueux, mais seulement parce qu'elle
> est une femme et en plus une vestale sacrée je pense qu'il est de notre
> devoir à nous citoyens de la Nouvelle Rome d'intervenir pour réclamer
> réparation. Je ne crois pas que le féminisme, sous couvert d'exiger
> l'égalité des droits, demande la fin de la politesse la plus élémentaire.
>

No branch of feminism as I explained more fully to Tullia Scholastica has
ever called for an end to politeness. When a man is rough with a woman and
*she feels incapable of defending herself* then I can understand her
appealing for help from any citizen whether male or female. However to
suggest that all women need defending from men is demeaning. It suggests we
are all too weak to take care of ourselves and is as illogical as saying
that all men in Nova Roma need to be protected from women. People are
people, they are individuals and should be treated as such.

Again, please forgive me if, due to my lack of dexterity with languages, I
have misunderstood or misrepresented you.

Flavia Lucilla Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73477 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Equality
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Quintus Caecilius Metellus <
q.caecilius.metellus@...> wrote:

>
>
> The question is about whether women are treated equally in Nova Roma.
> For my own part, I treat females just the same as I do males, without
> regard for sex or gender, and will continue to do so, just as I have
> always done. Individuals are just that -- individuals. Things that
> cannot be controlled (without undue hardship, such as sex) do not
> factor into my consideration, nor, in my opinion, should they.


You put it so succinctly. That, in a nutshell, is what I have spent 40 years
as a feminist, fighting for. (Forgive the appalling grammar, my brains
fogged over :-)



> I
> would argue that a woman requesting some special treatment as a result
> of her being female is just as sexist as a man arguing his superiority
> over a woman by virtue of being male.
>

Absolutely! Again you have it in a nutshell. I have spent paragraphs trying
to explain that and you condense it into one sentence. I applaud your
superior skills (as a person who just happens to be male). I wouldn't want
anyone to suggest i was implying all men were superior. :-)

Thank you

Flavia Lucilla Merula


>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73478 From: mcorvvs Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Ides ritual performed by Sacerdos Iovis M.Octavius Corvus
Salvete collega,

At Id. Feb. I, M.Octavius Corvus, Sacerdos Iovis, on behalf of People of
Nova Roma performed Ides ritual for IOM, using the pattern sent to me by PM M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
Rite was performed in front of the altar of Iuppiter. I began the rite only at 8:00 because I had to remove the heavy snow around the Ara (it was up to my knee!)
Sacrifice was: incense, libum, wine. My eldest son, Cn. Octavius assisted me. During the ritual there was a complete silentium - no birds movement was detected.
Sacrifice was accepted by the God favourably.

Optime valete,

CORVVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73479 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Equality
Salvete Merula et Metellus;

A minor comment, if I may...?

In part I am reminded of something a character showed "Archie Bunker"
in an episode of "All in the Family" years and years ago. The
character was the bag-boy at the local grocery that Archie was
continually putting down (as was his character's wont) for being
"slow." The kid kept saying, "I'll show you, I'll show you..." So,
Archie thought he was going to get violent.

To get to the point of the episode, the young man wanted to show
Archie a plaque, which his dad had hung over the head of his bed:
"Every man is my superior, in that I may learn from him."

It is something, which has stayed with me all these years.

Valete - Venator

Postscriptum: The "names for titles" discussion also brings an
"entertainment" reference to mind.

In the movie "My Favorite Year, " one of the main characters is "Alan
Swann," a down-on-his-luck, bona fide STAR of the Silver Screen. In
one scene, he responds to someone's comment with: "A rose by any other
name, would still wither and die."

Mote in one eye, beam in the other...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73480 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Equality
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <
famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:

> Salvete Merula et Metellus;
>
> A minor comment, if I may...?......
>
> To get to the point of the episode, the young man wanted to show
> Archie a plaque, which his dad had hung over the head of his bed:
> "Every man is my superior, in that I may learn from him."
>

If you'll humbly forgive me for being obstinate and changing 'man' to
'person' then that is a motto I could happily live by. I hope to go on
learning til the day I die.

thank you for posting this

Flavia Lucilla Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73481 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: a. d. XVI Kalendas Martias: Lovers' Tales
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di Deaeque vos ament.

Hodie est ante diem XVI Kalendas Martias; haec dies nefastus aterque est: dies Parentales

"Evening rising of Corvus, Anguis, and Crater, brings changing winds." ~ Columella, De Re Rustic 9.2.19

The ancient world celebrated several famed loved, and their tales. Before that Egyptian queen with her lovers, there were Sophonisba, the bethrothed of Masinissa, who was taken away by Syphax who was "aflame with desire" for her (according to Livy). And though through war he won her back, dashing off after battle to reclaim her, yet he then had to relinquish her to death rather than see her, a Carthaginian princess, sent to Rome as a slave. Romulus and Hersilia, Augustus and Livia, Antonia and Drusus Germanicus were some of the famed couples. Tradgety was part of a good love story even in ancient Rome. Here are a few that were recorded as exemplerary.

Aeneas and Lavinia

"Whilst the two armies were standing ready to engage and waiting for the signal, Latinus advanced in front of his lines and invited the leader of the strangers to a conference. He inquired of him what manner of men they were, whence they came, what had happened to make them leave their homes, what were they in quest of when they landed in Latinus' territory. When he heard that the men were Trojans, that their leader was Aeneas, the son of Anchises and Venus, that their city had been burnt, and that the homeless exiles were now looking for a place to settle in and build a city, he was so struck with the noble bearing of the men and their leader, and their readiness to accept alike either peace or war, that he gave his right hand as a solemn pledge of friendship for the future. A formal treaty was made between the leaders and mutual greetings exchanged between the armies. Latinus received Aeneas as a guest in his house, and there, in the presence of his tutelary deities, completed the political alliance by a domestic one, and gave his daughter in marriage to Aeneas. This incident confirmed the Trojans in the hope that they had reached the term of their wanderings and won a permanent home. They built a town, which Aeneas called Lavinium after his wife. In a short time a boy was born of the new marriage, to whom his parents gave the name of Ascanius." ~ Titus Livius 1.1.7-11


Cornelia and Gracchus

"A male and female snake were caught in the house of Ti. Gracchus. He was informed by a soothsayer that if the male were set free, his wife would shortly die, and if the female, he would. Pursuant to that part of the prediction which made in favor of his wife rather than himself, he ordered the male to be killed and the female let go, thus letting himself be slaughtered in his own sight by the destruction of the snake. So I know not whether to call Cornelia more happy in having had such a husband or more unfortunate in having lost him." ~ Valerius Maximus 4.6.1


Orestilla and Plautius

"M. Plautius was bringing a fleet of allies, sixty ships, back to Asia by command of the Senate and put in at Tarentum. There his wife Orestilla, who had followed him so far, fell ill and died. At her funeral, when she was placed on the pyre and during the ceremony of anointing and kissing, he fell on his drawn sword. His friends placed him beside her body, just as he was, in gown and shoes, and then put torches below and cremated both together. Their tomb was made there and is even now seen in Tarentum and called the 'Tomb of the Two Lovers.'" In possibly another version, Plautius was only wounded when he attempted suicide at first hearing of his wife's death. Later he tore the bandages from his wounds that he might rip out his own heart in grief over the death of his wife, and it was then that he was cremated with Orestilla. ~ Valerius Maximus 4.6.3


Artemisia and Mausolus

"It would be frivolous to argue how sorely Artemisia, Queen of Caria, missed her deceased husband, Mausolus, after the magnificence of the manifold honors she devised for him and the monument which rose to a place among the Seven Wonders. Why collect the former or speak of that famous tomb when she herself desired tobecome a living, breathing seplchre of Mausolus by the testimony of those who record that she drank a potion powdered with the daed man's bones." ~ Valerius Maximus 4.6 ext. 1


Hypsicratea and Mithridates

"Queen Hypsicratea also in love for her husband Mithridates gave rein to her affection. For his sake she considered it a pleasure to convert the outstanding beauty of her person to masculine style. For she cut her hair short and accustomed herself to horse and weapons the more easily to partake in his toils and dangers. She even followed him as he fled through savage nations after his defeat by Pompeius Magnus, tireless in spirit as in body. Such loyalty on her part was a great consolation and a delightful solace to Mithridates in harsh and difficult circumstances. For he felt that he was wandering with house and household Gods as his wife joined him in exile." ~ Valerius Maximus 4.6. ext. 2


Porcia and Brutus

"Your chast fires, too, Portia, daughter of M. Cato, all ages shall attend with the admiration they deserve. When you learned that your husband Brutus had been defeated and died at Phillipi, you did not hesitate to take burning coals into your mouth, steel being withheld, imitating your father's manly end with a woman's spirit, if perhaps more bravely than he, as Cato perished by a normal form of death, you by a novel one." ~ Valerius Maximus 4.6.5


Our thought for toaday comes from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 55:

"We should find solace for misfortune in the happy memory of what has been and in the knowledge that what has been cannot be undone."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73482 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: For Lovers
Salvete omnes

Just for lovers, of films on Rome and other ancient places that is, Steve Saylor' Facebook page leads to "Steven's International Online Ancinet World Film Festival."

http://www.stevensaylor.com/StevensBookshopDVDFilmFest.html

Steve Reeves rises again, as do many other films I never heard of before, and some I did see so long ago seem to be missing. Anyway, it is a treat to browse through them.

Gaudete et valete

M. Moravius Piscinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73483 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: For Lovers
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:59 PM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:

> Salvete omnes
>
> Just for lovers, of films on Rome and other ancient places that is, Steve
> Saylor' Facebook page leads to "Steven's International Online Ancinet World
> Film Festival."
>
> http://www.stevensaylor.com/StevensBookshopDVDFilmFest.html
>
> Thank you for this. I am a massive fan of Steven Saylor. I'd love to see
his books televised or made into a film.

Flavia Lucilla Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73484 From: gaius_pompeius_marcellus Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Lupercalia Greetings
Salve,
Happy Lupercalia to my fellow citizens. Hope love finds its way into everyones heart.
Vale,
Gaius Pompeius Marcellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73485 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Equality
Salve Merula;

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Kirsteen Wright wrote:
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator wrote:
>
> > Salvete Merula et Metellus;
> >
> > A minor comment, if I may...?......
> >
> > To get to the point of the episode, the young man wanted to show
> > Archie a plaque, which his dad had hung over the head of his bed:
> > "Every man is my superior, in that I may learn from him."
> >
>
> If you'll humbly forgive me for being obstinate and changing 'man' to
> 'person' then that is a motto I could happily live by. I hope to go on
> learning til the day I die.
>
> thank you for posting this
>
> Flavia Lucilla Merula
>

Absolutely =)

Maybe just "Everyone is my superior, in that..."

...and, you're welcome.

Venii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73486 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Equality
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <
famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:

> Salve Merula;
>
>
> Maybe just "Everyone is my superior, in that..."
>

Well I'd certainly say everyone seems superior to my clumsy use of language
at the moment. Yes that was a much better way to put it :-)

Thankyou
Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73487 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: To all modern day Romans
Well done the Azzurri!

They may not have managed to snatch the win but what warriors! Truly
magnificent. Even the English commentator agreed they were the better team.
I'm not looking forward to Scotland meeting them in a fortnight's time.

Congratulations
Flavia Lucilla Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73488 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
<<--- On Sat, 2/13/10, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S.P.D.

I spoke about the use of feminine endings of certain magisterial titles simply, and solely, as a matter of grammar,>>
 
At first, I thought so, too, that this convo was just about correct grammar. Then we went far afield... again. 
 
 
<< I do realize that certain words, such as tribune, consul and praetor have become virtually a part of English vocabulary, which says more about the closeness of our association as a culture with that of Rome than anything else, since we have none of these offices in the modern world, at least none that I know of.>>
 
Consul is still used in the diplomatic world, but the only place I see the word "Tribune" is in the title of newspapers.
 
 
<<However, as so often happens, what was a minor comment has mushroomed, with unfortunate results.>>
 
In truth, I've seen this happen in other organizations and on other lists. It just seems to happen more frequently on this list. 
 
 
<<However, when she acts as tribuna, she has placed herself in the political arena, and should expect the same treatment as other politicians receive, though even politicians should, I think, be treated with civility and respect.>>
 
I thought long and hard on whether or not to run for Tribuna Plebis and it was only my concern for Nova Roma that prompted me to do so. It's another great learning experience for me. I can't speak for all politicans, but at least my fellow Tribunes are the nicest people and I am happy to say we treat each other with the utmost respect.
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73489 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a rose is a ...
<<--- On Sun, 2/14/10, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...> wrote:
[cut]
<<< As a devotee of Vesta you can also support the Virgo Maxima and all her hard work, if you can, ask if you can help her.>>>

While I have nothing but admiration for the work of the Virgo Maxima in
honouring Vesta, as I explained earlier I reserve what little energy I have
for the exigencies of daily life and my own private devotions to the gods.>>
 
As rightly you should.
Besides, with your kind words and thoughts you do support me and I am very grateful to you for that.
 
Vale bene in pace Deorum,
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73490 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Ex Officio Praetrices E.Iunia Laeca M.Hortensia Maiorque;

M. Hortensia L.Cornelio Sullae sd;
obscenities and modern sexual slang are not to be posted on the Main List.
Any further posts such as below will result in moderation as determined by both praetrices.
M. Hortensia Maior
Praetrix


>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@> wrote:
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica M. Minucio Audenti C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus,
> > sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> > > I suppose that I shall immediately receive a good number of message
> > > about my views on Latin and titles. Actually , I am not interested in
> > > such. This argument has ben fought previously with some unable to
> > > contain themselves to language suitable for this or any other list.
> >
> > That wouldn't be "Latin," now would it? Or are you referring to the
> > potty mouth operations on the BA? The language there is beneath the dignity
> > of anyone with a college education, but that seems not to have restrained
> > the members thereof.
> >
>
>
> LOL!!!!!
>
> As one of the owners of the BackAlley and a fellow academic, we who are subscribed on the back alley do not prefer to sanitize the actual ancients like Ovid who wrote his book on how to seduce married women...or the residents of ancient Pompeii who had artistic cocks posted literally everywhere.
>
> The gutter mouth, that obviously scares you, is more accurate in terms of Roman life than anything posted on the ML. That this shares a common place on the BA as well as discussions of abstracts of dissertations related to Republican and Imperial Rome must literally scare you as you keep mentioning the most busiest list tangently related to NR.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73491 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: URGENT - ONE DIRIBITOR AND FOUR QUESTORES NEEDED: REMINDER: CALL FOR
Salvete Quirites!

I want to remind You of the need for candidates for the coming
election. The Res Publica really need You!

We still need candidates for one position as Diribitor, at the moment
we have none. As this is one of the Election magistrates, it is an
important position which is very much needed by the Res Publica.

We still have only one candidate for the the for FOUR positions as
Quaestores. The position is the first step in the Cursus Honorum and
one of the offices needed to be able to stand for higher offices. The
Questorship is a good start in ones career in Nova Roma and the
Consuls, Preatores and all four Aediles willl have a Quaestor at their
side. Working as a Quaestor is also a good way to learn the ropes.

*******************

Ex Officio Consulis Caesonis Fabii Buteonis Quintiliani

Edictum Consulare CFBQ II de candidati Comitia Populi Tributa CFBQ

(The Second Consular edict CFBQ on candidates in Comitia Populi
Tributa CFBQ).


I hereby call for candidates to stand for election to some ordinary
magistracies of the Comitia Populi Tributa.

Anyone wishing to serve in any of these positions must have been a
citizen for at least six months by Kal. Mar. MMDCCLXIII (March 1st,
2010) and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen.

I will convene the comitia for the elections at a later time in
February, but candidates are welcome to announce themselves and begin
campaigning if they wish.

All potential candidates must contact me with their intention to stand
for office directly by sending a message to:
christer dot edling at telia dot com
in order to be placed on the ballot. Please include the word
"candidate" in the subject of the message, and be sure to tell me your
full Nova Roman name and the office for which you will campaign.

Simply announcing your candidacy to one of the lists shall not be
accepted. You must write to me directly.

Candidacies will be accepted until 15 February 2009 (18.00 hrs CET
Rome; 12.00 hrs EST Philadelphia).

As I need some advise about proper dates I will have to come back with
the exact dates for contio and election.

On behalf of the Res Publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae Romae I,
Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, Consul, hereby issue this call for
candidates for the following offices:


IV QUAESTORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763
(March 1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.

I ROGATORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763 (March
1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.

I DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Mar. 2763
(March 1st, 2010). Must be assiduus.


Given this 6th of February, in the year of the Consulship of P.
Memmius Albucius and the Second Consulship of K.Fabius Buteo
Quintilianus, 2763 AUC.

*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul Iterum
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae






*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul Iterum
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73492 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: QUESTORES NEEDED: REMINDER: CALL FOR SOME CANDIDATES FOR COMITIA
Salve L. Antonia Auriga!

I am sorry, but I have been more then busy so You get this answer very
late. As I haven't published the needed edict yet, it is the old
taxes that should be payed. Go here:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tax_rate_MMDCCLXII

and

You have to go to your own Album Civium page and link from there.
Here's the recipe for the most general case.

1. Go to the main Nova Roma website at http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page

2. In the "Quick Links" box, find and click on "Album Civium." This
will take you to http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album

3. Type your Nova Roman name into the search box. Do NOT use
initials. Hit "Go" and you should see your album civium page.

4. In the upper right hand corner of your Album Civium page there's a
Log In box. Type in your full Nova Roman name and your password. If
you can't remember your password, click on the "forgot password?" link
and follow the directions.

5. Now that you are logged in, click on the "Make Changes Here" link
at the top of your Album Civium page.

6. In the 2nd block down on the left, where it lists your citizenship
status, click on "Make A Payment."

7. You will now be at a "Pay Membership Fees" page. You can pay taxes
for yourself and up to fifty other people using the various options.

8. Choose either "Paypal" or "Check/Money Order" and click on "submit."

Follow the directions based on the choice you made.

***************

Please give me the date of your citizenship and send me a some kind of
reciept that You have paid and I will allow You to stand.

Thank You for being prepared to serve the Res Publica!

****

11 feb 2010 kl. 19.49 skrev fauxrari:

Salve,
This may be a stupid question, but how does one become an assiduus? I
have heard of taxes of course, but how much and where do we pay? I
would like to run for queastor, but I don't get paid until next
week. : (
Gratias,
L. Antonia Auriga

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Christer Edling
<christer.edling@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> I want to remind You of the need for candidates for the coming
> election. We still have no candidates for the the for FOUR positions
> as Quaestores. The position is the first step in the Cursus Honorum
> and one of the offices needed to be able to stand for higher offices.
> The Questorship is a good start in ones career in Nova Roma and the
> Consuls, Preatores and all four Aediles willl have a Quaestor at their
> side. Working as a Quaestor is also a good way to learn the ropes.
>
> *******************




*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul Iterum
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73493 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Time out!
All right, time out for a little humor.
This is such a funny video, I had to share it and just to make it ok for this list, I translated the name of the video into Latin.... well, at least, I think I did. LOL Who knows? My translation might be funnier to some than the video!
In any case, enjoy.
 
"Ut pecu feles" 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWymXNPaU7g&feature=PlayList&p=BEAB7F5E46CBF7F5&index=1




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73494 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Praetor, Praetrix ...a ose is a ...
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Fl. Lucillae Merulae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> Firstly, let me say that I am sorry to learn of your illness.
>
>
> 2010/2/14 A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...
> <mailto:fororom%40localnet.com> >
>
>>> > >.> ATS: Assentior. My version of feminism seems to be quite
>> > different from
>>> > > that of Merula.
>> >
>
> In the CR groups in the 70s, we identified 4 main forms of feminism and each
> had it's own various sub-groups and individuals within them had there own
> ideas, so it's hardly surprising that we are capable of following different
> versions of it. Mine was by no means the most extreme. I believe in total
> equality of opportunity but was uncomfortable with those strident anti-males
> who tried to turn them into the enemy.
>
> ATS2: And so am I.
>
>> >
>>> > > ATS: The brand of feminism which deems
>>> > > elementary good manners, such as opening a door for someone or offering
a
>> > seat
>>> > > on public transportation to someone as being insulting is a coarsening
of
>> > the
>>> > > culture, not an exercise in equality.
>> >
>
> Absolutely, I deplore the lack of manners prevalent in our society today. As
> a child I was totally conditioned to give up my seat to my elders and I
> brought both my children up the same way. Now that I am disabled, I am
> extremely grateful when anyone of either sex offers me a seat or holds open
> a door. Beforehand, as a matter of politeness I would hold open the door for
> anyone I was with and give up my seat to anyone who appeared to be in
> greater need. But you're surely not suggesting that men should give up their
> seats to us purely because we're women?
>
> ATS2: Not exactly. There is a physiological reason, however, why this is
> often appropriate: most women carry their greatest weight around the hips,
> and are literally built for sitting, not standing, whereas most men (certainly
> most younger ones) carry their greatest weight around the shoulders. The
> football coach might tell you that many men are top-heavy, which may be why
> grabbing them around the legs (aka tackling) is so effective in dragging them
> to the ground. Secondly, a matter which applies to both sexes: it is not
> always possible to tell when someone else is ill, or exhausted, or suffers
> from a physical disability. Arthritis can come on early, and not show (I had
> a home instruction student who was 15 and had rheumatoid arthritis); recent
> surgery may not, indeed often does not, show; many autoimmune diseases appear
> in women as young as 35 (typically men are about 20 years older when this
> happens, if memory serves on these points), but these things make their
> victims far less able to stand on a moving vehicle...especially if they are
> short and cannot reach the straps or the handles (so to speak) with which they
> are fitted on some forms of public transportation. Women tend to be shorter
> than men; if I remember correctly, this has something to do with estrogen
> acting on areas of the bones responsible for growth. If a healthy person is
> willing to give up a seat on public transportation, it is polite to ask the
> prospective recipient of that largesse if he or she would like to take the
> seat; some would be offended (or simply prefer to stand), just as some in
> wheelchairs are (rightly) offended when someone addresses the person who is
> with them rather than the person in the wheelchair, as if that condition made
> someone incompetent to speak or think.
>
>
> To say I'm strong enough to be
> treated as an equal in the workforce and to be paid the same as the man next
> to me but then say that travelling home from work, I'm the weaker sex and
> require his seat would seem to me just a tad hypocritical - a wanting to
> have your cake and eat it.
>
> ATS2: You are lucky if you are in fact paid the same as the guy next to
> you...for equality has not reached that point in far too many areas.
>
> Flavia Lucilla Merula
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73495 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Cato Maiori sal.

So, praetor, does this mean that sexual slang from antiquity - anything found in primary sources, of course - *is* allowed?

Have you published an edict detailing exactly what is and is not considered by you and your colleague in the praetorship to qualify as an obscenity?

Vale,

Cato




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Ex Officio Praetrices E.Iunia Laeca M.Hortensia Maiorque;
>
> M. Hortensia L.Cornelio Sullae sd;
> obscenities and modern sexual slang are not to be posted on the Main List.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73496 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Salve Senatrix Cato!
ask A. Tullia Scholastica or Gn. Cornelius Lentulus, Laeca and I are truly fortunate to have them in the praetricial cohors. They'll answer any of your questions.

Incidentally if you wish to master Latin take Scholastica's Grammatica Latin course and here is a great link for everyone: sound files! Propertius, Horace, Vergilius!
http://www.princeton.edu/~clip/
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> So, praetor, does this mean that sexual slang from antiquity - anything found in primary sources, of course - *is* allowed?
>
> Have you published an edict detailing exactly what is and is not considered by you and your colleague in the praetorship to qualify as an obscenity?
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Ex Officio Praetrices E.Iunia Laeca M.Hortensia Maiorque;
> >
> > M. Hortensia L.Cornelio Sullae sd;
> > obscenities and modern sexual slang are not to be posted on the Main List.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73497 From: Robert Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Just like last year..only when they use it, is it allowed.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> So, praetor, does this mean that sexual slang from antiquity - anything found in primary sources, of course - *is* allowed?
>
> Have you published an edict detailing exactly what is and is not considered by you and your colleague in the praetorship to qualify as an obscenity?
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Ex Officio Praetrices E.Iunia Laeca M.Hortensia Maiorque;
> >
> > M. Hortensia L.Cornelio Sullae sd;
> > obscenities and modern sexual slang are not to be posted on the Main List.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73498 From: Robert Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Maior did your lord and master give you the authorization to act? Did Fishhy sign it in Triplicate for you?

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> So, praetor, does this mean that sexual slang from antiquity - anything found in primary sources, of course - *is* allowed?
>
> Have you published an edict detailing exactly what is and is not considered by you and your colleague in the praetorship to qualify as an obscenity?
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Ex Officio Praetrices E.Iunia Laeca M.Hortensia Maiorque;
> >
> > M. Hortensia L.Cornelio Sullae sd;
> > obscenities and modern sexual slang are not to be posted on the Main List.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73499 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-14
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Cato Maiori sal.

So, praetor, does this mean you don't know - only the members of your cohors do?

Anyway, officially you cannot issue "warnings", as no law currently applies to speech in the Forum of the Respublica; you have neither issued your own edict regarding speech in the Forum nor have you continued the edict de sermone promulgated by your predecessors, and under the lex Arminia de ratione edictorum,

"An edict of a magistrate is valid only until the end of the year when that edict was issued." (lex Arm de rat. edict., II)

No "warnings" issued are valid until you have given grounds for issuing them, as citizens are also protected by the Constitution for being punished ex post facto (Const. N.R., 1.A.3)

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Senatrix Cato!
> ask A. Tullia Scholastica or Gn. Cornelius Lentulus, Laeca and I are truly fortunate to have them in the praetricial cohors. They'll answer any of your questions.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73500 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Dexter Catoni sal.,

> Anyway, officially you cannot issue "warnings",

She can officially do it, of course. As moderator of the list, she gives Sulla a warning. Sexual slang is not allowed. Moreover when Sulla put his fantasies to explain things that he does not understand.

Not only Sulla shows to everybody that he has a crass ignorance about Antiquity but also he has a bad language. To restore the level of our forum against a such rude individual, this warning is a very good thing.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73501 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin
Maior Dextro spd;
tibi gratias ago. I appreciate your kind words yesterday and today. They have what 14 years as cives between them and still don't know how to comport themselvees?

How tiresome to waste our time on such dull matters, when I am thinking about Latin & the letter K.

I saw the word Karthago the other day and realized except for Kaeso and Kalends that K is very rare indeed. And since Latin had C why and where did K come from & its purpose?
optime vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Dexter Catoni sal.,
>
> > Anyway, officially you cannot issue "warnings",
>
> She can officially do it, of course. As moderator of the list, she gives Sulla a warning. Sexual slang is not allowed. Moreover when Sulla put his fantasies to explain things that he does not understand.
>
> Not only Sulla shows to everybody that he has a crass ignorance about Antiquity but also he has a bad language. To restore the level of our forum against a such rude individual, this warning is a very good thing.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73502 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin
Salve,

The answer is as painfully simple as elusive the early phonology that it points to. K clearly is an inheritance from the Greek alphabet; C developed from Gamma and slowly took the place of the voiceless velar /k/. In archaic inscriptions, K tended to appear before consonants and 'a', C before 'i' and 'e' and Q before 'o' and 'u'. This probably originally pointed to phonological differences that disappeared over time.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Dextro spd;
> tibi gratias ago. I appreciate your kind words yesterday and today. They have what 14 years as cives between them and still don't know how to comport themselvees?
>
> How tiresome to waste our time on such dull matters, when I am thinking about Latin & the letter K.
>
> I saw the word Karthago the other day and realized except for Kaeso and Kalends that K is very rare indeed. And since Latin had C why and where did K come from & its purpose?
> optime vale
> Maior
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> > Dexter Catoni sal.,
> >
> > > Anyway, officially you cannot issue "warnings",
> >
> > She can officially do it, of course. As moderator of the list, she gives Sulla a warning. Sexual slang is not allowed. Moreover when Sulla put his fantasies to explain things that he does not understand.
> >
> > Not only Sulla shows to everybody that he has a crass ignorance about Antiquity but also he has a bad language. To restore the level of our forum against a such rude individual, this warning is a very good thing.
> >
> > Optime vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73503 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin
Salve Gualtere;
I appreciate your explaining, so then Gaius? C. Do you know Punic? I know it closely related to Hebrew; and the Romanization of Carthaginian religion, interesting topic to me
optime vale
Maior
>
>
> Salve,
>
> The answer is as painfully simple as elusive the early phonology that it points to. K clearly is an inheritance from the Greek alphabet; C developed from Gamma and slowly took the place of the voiceless velar /k/. In archaic inscriptions, K tended to appear before consonants and 'a', C before 'i' and 'e' and Q before 'o' and 'u'. This probably originally pointed to phonological differences that disappeared over time.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Maior Dextro spd;
> > tibi gratias ago. I appreciate your kind words yesterday and today. They have what 14 years as cives between them and still don't know how to comport themselvees?
> >
> > How tiresome to waste our time on such dull matters, when I am thinking about Latin & the letter K.
> >
> > I saw the word Karthago the other day and realized except for Kaeso and Kalends that K is very rare indeed. And since Latin had C why and where did K come from & its purpose?
> > optime vale
> > Maior
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dexter Catoni sal.,
> > >
> > > > Anyway, officially you cannot issue "warnings",
> > >
> > > She can officially do it, of course. As moderator of the list, she gives Sulla a warning. Sexual slang is not allowed. Moreover when Sulla put his fantasies to explain things that he does not understand.
> > >
> > > Not only Sulla shows to everybody that he has a crass ignorance about Antiquity but also he has a bad language. To restore the level of our forum against a such rude individual, this warning is a very good thing.
> > >
> > > Optime vale.
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73504 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Time out!
Salve Messalina,

You are right that was funny, I think every feline owner on this list can
definitely chuckle at this one.


Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> All right, time out for a little humor.
> This is such a funny video, I had to share it and just to make it ok for
> this list, I translated the name of the video into Latin.... well, at least,
> I think I did. LOL Who knows? My translation might be funnier to some than
> the video!
> In any case, enjoy.
>
> "Ut pecu feles"
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWymXNPaU7g&feature=PlayList&p=BEAB7F5E46CBF7F5&index=1
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73505 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Cato Dextero sal.

Under what law does she have the authority to "issue warnings"? Please cite the specific law or edict that exists allowing her to do so.

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Dexter Catoni sal.,
>
> > Anyway, officially you cannot issue "warnings",
>
> She can officially do it, of course. As moderator of the list, she gives Sulla a warning. Sexual slang is not allowed. Moreover when Sulla put his fantasies to explain things that he does not understand.
>
> Not only Sulla shows to everybody that he has a crass ignorance about Antiquity but also he has a bad language. To restore the level of our forum against a such rude individual, this warning is a very good thing.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73506 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin
Cato Maiori omnibusque in foro SPD

For those truly interested in the Latin alphabet I might suggest a wonderful book called "ABC Et Cetera", by Alexander and Nicolas Humez (Godine, 1985). It is a letter-by-letter explanation of the alphabet and many things related to it.

Valete,

Cato

P.S. - praetor, how are your plans for a dictatorship going? GEC



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Dextro spd;
> tibi gratias ago. I appreciate your kind words yesterday and today. They have what 14 years as cives between them and still don't know how to comport themselvees?
>
> How tiresome to waste our time on such dull matters, when I am thinking about Latin & the letter K.
>
> I saw the word Karthago the other day and realized except for Kaeso and Kalends that K is very rare indeed. And since Latin had C why and where did K come from & its purpose?
> optime vale
> Maior
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> > Dexter Catoni sal.,
> >
> > > Anyway, officially you cannot issue "warnings",
> >
> > She can officially do it, of course. As moderator of the list, she gives Sulla a warning. Sexual slang is not allowed. Moreover when Sulla put his fantasies to explain things that he does not understand.
> >
> > Not only Sulla shows to everybody that he has a crass ignorance about Antiquity but also he has a bad language. To restore the level of our forum against a such rude individual, this warning is a very good thing.
> >
> > Optime vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73507 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: a. d. XV Kalendas Martias: LUPERCALIA
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos salvas et servatas volunt.

Hodie est ante diem XV Kalendas Martias; haec dies nefastus februatusque publica est: Lupercalia

"The sun transits into Pisces, sometimes with windy weather." ~ Columella, De Re Rustica 2.20

AUC 709 / 44 BCE: Caesar offered a crown by Marc Anthony during Lupercalia

"After the Senate decreed many of the highest honors, such as the right to be called 'Pater Patria' together with an eternal inviolability and dictatorship [44 BCE], several grudges rose against him: because he did not rise from his throne in front of the temple of Venus Genetrix when the senators arrived to present him with these honors; because, when his fellow consul Marc Antony, dancing with the luperci, placed a diadem on his head, he placed it on his throne; and because he expelled the tribunes of the plebs Epidius Marullus and Caesetius Flavus from office after they had caused hostility towards him, arguing that he was aiming at one man rule." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 116.2


: LUPERCALIA :

"The Lupercalia, judging by the time of its celebration, it would seem to be a feast of purification, for it is observed on the inauspicious days of the month of February, which name can be interpreted to mean purification, and the very day of the feast was anciently called Febrata. But the name of the festival has the meaning of the Greek 'Lycaea' or feast of wolves, which makes it seem of great antiquity and derived from the Arcadians in the following of Evander. Indeed, this meaning of the name is commonly accepted; for it can be connected with the she-wolf of story. And besides, we see that the Luperci begin their course around the City at the point where Romulus is said to have been exposed. However, the actual ceremonies of the festival are such that the reason for the name is hard to guess. For the priests slaughter goats, and then, after two youths of noble birth have been brought to them, some of them touch their foreheads with a bloody knife, and others wipe the stain off as once with wool dipped in milk. The youths must laugh after their foreheads are wiped clean. After this they cut the goat's skin into strips and run about, with nothing on but a girdle, striking all who meet them as those with the tongs, and young married women do not try to avoid their blows, fancying that they promote conception and easy child birth. A peculiarity of the festival is that the Luperci sacrifice a dog also

"A certain Butas, who wrote fabulous explanations of Roman customs in elegiac verse, says that Romulus and Remus, after their victory over Amulius, ran exultantly to the spot where, when they were babes, the she-wolf gave them suck, and that the festival is conducted in imitation of this action, and that the two youths of noble birth run

`Smiting all those whom they meet, as once with brandished weapons,
Down from Alba's heights, Remus and Romulus ran.'

"And that the bloody sword is applied to their foreheads as a symbol of the peril and slaughter of that day, while the cleansing of their foreheads with milk is in remembrance of the nourishment which the babes received. But Caius Acilius writes that before the founding of the city Romulus and his brother once lost their flocks, and after praying to Faunus, ran forth in quest of them naked, that they might not be impeded by sweat; and that this is the reason why the Luperci run about naked. If the sacrifice is a purification, one might say that the dog is sacrificed as being a suitable victim for such rites, since the Greeks, in their rites of purification, carry forth puppies for burial, and in many places make use of the rites called 'periskulakismoi;' and if these rites are performed in grateful remembrance of the she-wolf that nourished and preserved Romulus, it is not without reason that the dog is slain, since it is an enemy to wolves, unless, indeed, the animal is thus punished for annoying the Luperci when they run about." ~ Plutarch, Life of Romulus 21.3-8

The Lupercalia is one of the better known Roman festivals, perhaps second to Saturnalia in the general public, and second only to Parilia in how much we know of its details, if only because it was a month to the day prior to that on which Julius Caesar was assassinated because he had not outright refused the crown of kingship on the Lupercalia of 44 BCE. Rather than try to go over all the details, as there are many and many disputes over them, I shall just give some quotes drawn from ancient sources on the Lupercalia.

"After (Saturnus), third in descent, they say that Faunus was king, in whose time Evander came into Italy from Pallanteum, a city of Arcadia, accompanied with a small band of his countrymen, to whom Faunus kindly gave land, and the mountain which he afterwards called Palatium. At the foot of this mountain he built a temple to the Lycaean god, whom the Greeks call Pan, and the Romans Lupercus, the naked statue of the deity being covered with a goat-skin, in which dress the priests now run up and down during the Lupercalia at Rome. This Faunus had a wife named Fatua, who, being constantly filled with a spirit of divination, gave notice, in fits of frenzy as it were, of things to come; and hence, to this day, those who are accustomed to be thus inspired, are said fatuari." ~ M. Iunianus Iustinus, Historia 43.1

"In those days, according to legend, the present festive rite of the Lupercalia was already in existence on the Palantine Hill, which received its name from Pallenteum, an Arcadian city, later altered to Palatium. Once upon a time Evander had dwelt there, who was a native Arcadian and had brought from there a custom in which naked young men would cavort about in antic fashion in worship of Lycaeon Pan, whom the Romans called Inuus." ~ Titus Livius, AUC 1.5.1-2

"The little ark drifted onwards towards a shadowy wood, and gradually settled where the depth lessened. There was a tree: traces remain, which is now called the Rumina fig, once Romulus' fig tree. A she-wolf, newly delivered, miraculously found the abandoned twins. Who would have thought the creature would not harm them? Far from harming them she helped them: and a wolf fed those whom their kin would have allowed to perish. She stayed, caressed the tender infants with her tail, and licked their bodies with her tongue. You might know they were sons of Mars: without fear they sucked her teats, and the milk not meant for them. She gave her name to the place: and the place to the Luperci. The nurse has a great reward for the milk she gave." ~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2.409-422

"A she-goat was sacrificed, the goat was duly butchered, to cloven foot, horned Faunus, as a crowd had come invited to the meagre, scanty feast. While the priests prepared the entrails, skewered on willow spits, and dressed them while the sun being then at the zenith in midcourse, Romulus and his brother, and a shepherd boy, exercised their naked bodies on the sunlit plain: in an exhibition of their strength of arms in sport, with levers, javelins, or hurling heavy stones. A shepherd shouted from the heights: 'Romulus, Remus, thieves in distant fields are driving off our bullocks through the wasteland.' No time to arm: they took opposite directions: and meeting them Remus re-took the plunder. Returning he unskewed the hissing entrails from their spits, saying: 'None but the victor shall eat of these.' As he said, so he did, and the Fabii joined with him. Romulus returned, unsuccessful, finding empty tables and bare bones. He laughed, then grieved that Remus and the Fabii, should taste victory, where his own Quintilii could not. The tale of that deed endures: the Luperci run this day, stripped stark naked, and the day's success enjoys a lasting fame." ~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2.361-380

"Why do the Luperci sacrifice a dog? The Luperci are men who race through the city on the Lupercalia, lightly clad in loin-cloths, striking those whom they meet with a strip of leather. Is it because this performance constitutes a rite of purification of the city? In fact they call this month February, and indeed this very day, februata; and to strike with a kind of leather thong they call februare, the word meaning 'to purify.' cNearly all the Greeks used a dog as the sacrificial victim for ceremonies of purification; and some, at least, make use of it even to this day. They bring forth for Hecatê puppies along with the other materials for purification, and rub round about with puppies such persons as are in need of cleansing, and this kind of purification they call periskylakismos ('puppifrication'). Or is it that lupus means 'wolf' and the Lupercalia is the Wolf Festival, and that the dog is hostile to the wolf, and for this reason is sacrificed at the Wolf Festival? Or is it that the dogs bark at the Luperci and annoy them as they race about in the city? Or is it that the sacrifice is made to Pan, and a dog is something dear to Pan because of his herds of goats?" ~ Plutarch, Roman Questions 68


Today's thought comes from Epicurus, Vatican Saying 15:

"We place a high value on our characters as if they were our own possessions whether or not we are virtuous and praised by other men. So, too, we must regard the characters of those around us if they are our friends."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73508 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: CANDIDATE FOR DIRIBITOR
M. Moravius Piscinus K. Fabio Butone Quintiliano Consuli salutem plurimam dicit.

I enter the Forum donning a toga candida that I may offer my services to the Res Publica as a Diribitor.

I have the honor of having held the offices of Consul, twice as Tribunus Plebis, Pontifex Maximus and Magister Collegium Augurum. I affirm that I meet all of the requirements for the office.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73509 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Become A Real Nova Roman [was: R: [Nova-Roma] Parentatio]
Cn. Lentulus pontifex Valeriae Messallinae virgini Vestali maximae s. p. d.


A truly wonderful, wonderful event in Nova Roma!

Congratulations and thank you very much for your efforts, Vestalis Valeria Messalina!

Citizens: this is Nova Roma. Read again what is there, below.

This is Nova Roma, not the mailing lists and political debates. Politics are important part of our Republic Nova Roma, but when it becomes the only activity of a citizen, that person does no more good for our State and our Citizenry. And I see "politicizing" is all what some think Nova Roma is about.

Create projects, or join to existing ones.

Revive a sodalitas.

Organize a dinner with fellow citizens.

Share your religious celebrations with us.

Write articles on our wiki website.

Do you think of a more serious event, or project? Ask the support of the senate. The senate gives money for citizens' activity - if you present it well, and if you don't ask too much. Our treasure is very poor, but some dollars can still help your efforts.

Read again, what Valeria does, and follow her example, because that's alone what proves Nova Roma is real, living and enjoying the presence of the Gods.


--- Sab 13/2/10, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> ha scritto:







 









Maxima Valeria Messallina omnibus S.P.D.

 

 

Today is the Parentatio and on this day the Vestal Virgins visited the tomb of the Vestal, Tarpeia, and prayed for all deceased Romans. 

 

At about 5:30 a.m. this morning, I began the laborious process of making a fire in my outdoor hearth (by friction created by rubbing two pieces of wood together). At around 6:20, several friends arrived who had wanted to attend this ritual. There were ten women, three girls, three men and one boy. The fact that today is a Saturday I feel helped to increase the number of attendees to more than double what I had last year (which was six guests). 

One of the men gave me a bottle of wine (Brunelli Amarone Campo del Titari for those of you who know wines) as an offering to Vesta for a loved one who had passed away a few months ago. That was a first. I offered it as a libation and poured it into the ground all around the hearth when the time came to make the offerings

The ritual began promptly at dawn, which today was at 6:40. The morning air was cold, but the birds were singing all around us. The sky was cloudless and the temperature was 46 degrees Fahrenheit (about 8 degrees Celsius). A big improvement over last year when it rained so hard that I couldn't start the ritual until nine o'clock.

Prayers were said for all deceased Nova Romans, their deceased Loved Ones and their deceased Beloved Pets. 

At the end of the ritual, I left an offering of cat food for the feral cats that occasionally come by (following the Roman custom to make an offering to a cat at funerals, something I learned last year on the Religio Romana list), but I put it a good distance from the hearth as the fire was left to go out on its own. 

 

After the ritual, I had a morning buffet for my guests, which was outside on my patio so I could keep an eye on the fire. I kept checking it with some concern because it seemed to burn on for a longer time than it normally does for the size of the fire I had made. I wonder if that was not an omen of some sort? The fire finally did go out about forty-five minutes after the end of the ritual.

 

After everyone had finished eating and the fire was out, I brought the Nova Roma Micine to greet the guests. Needless to say, everyone was delighted to pet them and play with them.

I changed out of my Vestal attire, put the Micine into their strollers and took my guests on a walk down to the beach so we could take the food that was left over from the buffet to feed the sea gulls, the sight of which made the Micine very happy. J

 

During the meal, two feral cats appeared and ate the offering I had left. During the play time with the Micine, two very large crows appeared. One perched itself on the top of the hearth and the other was on the ground right in the exact spot where I had stood to perform most of the ritual. Both crows watched us for several minutes before flying off. I took both these signs as good omens that the ritual had been pleasing to Vesta.

 

Valete bene in pace Deorum,

 

Maxima Valeria Messallina

Sacerdos Vestalis

Virgo Maxima

 



"Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."

"Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73510 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Become A Real Nova Roman [was: R: [Nova-Roma] Parentatio]
Salve Lentulus!

My friend, I'd like to ask: How can I create a Sodalitas for Provincia Brasilia? Our Province has been quite inactive lately! How do I contact the Senate?

Vale,

LVSITANVS.SPD.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Become A Real Nova Roman [was: R: [Nova-Roma] Parentatio]



Cn. Lentulus pontifex Valeriae Messallinae virgini Vestali maximae s. p. d.

A truly wonderful, wonderful event in Nova Roma!

Congratulations and thank you very much for your efforts, Vestalis Valeria Messalina!

Citizens: this is Nova Roma. Read again what is there, below.

This is Nova Roma, not the mailing lists and political debates. Politics are important part of our Republic Nova Roma, but when it becomes the only activity of a citizen, that person does no more good for our State and our Citizenry. And I see "politicizing" is all what some think Nova Roma is about.

Create projects, or join to existing ones.

Revive a sodalitas.

Organize a dinner with fellow citizens.

Share your religious celebrations with us.

Write articles on our wiki website.

Do you think of a more serious event, or project? Ask the support of the senate. The senate gives money for citizens' activity - if you present it well, and if you don't ask too much. Our treasure is very poor, but some dollars can still help your efforts.

Read again, what Valeria does, and follow her example, because that's alone what proves Nova Roma is real, living and enjoying the presence of the Gods.

--- Sab 13/2/10, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> ha scritto:



Maxima Valeria Messallina omnibus S.P.D.





Today is the Parentatio and on this day the Vestal Virgins visited the tomb of the Vestal, Tarpeia, and prayed for all deceased Romans.



At about 5:30 a.m. this morning, I began the laborious process of making a fire in my outdoor hearth (by friction created by rubbing two pieces of wood together). At around 6:20, several friends arrived who had wanted to attend this ritual. There were ten women, three girls, three men and one boy. The fact that today is a Saturday I feel helped to increase the number of attendees to more than double what I had last year (which was six guests).

One of the men gave me a bottle of wine (Brunelli Amarone Campo del Titari for those of you who know wines) as an offering to Vesta for a loved one who had passed away a few months ago. That was a first. I offered it as a libation and poured it into the ground all around the hearth when the time came to make the offerings

The ritual began promptly at dawn, which today was at 6:40. The morning air was cold, but the birds were singing all around us. The sky was cloudless and the temperature was 46 degrees Fahrenheit (about 8 degrees Celsius). A big improvement over last year when it rained so hard that I couldn't start the ritual until nine o'clock.

Prayers were said for all deceased Nova Romans, their deceased Loved Ones and their deceased Beloved Pets.

At the end of the ritual, I left an offering of cat food for the feral cats that occasionally come by (following the Roman custom to make an offering to a cat at funerals, something I learned last year on the Religio Romana list), but I put it a good distance from the hearth as the fire was left to go out on its own.



After the ritual, I had a morning buffet for my guests, which was outside on my patio so I could keep an eye on the fire. I kept checking it with some concern because it seemed to burn on for a longer time than it normally does for the size of the fire I had made. I wonder if that was not an omen of some sort? The fire finally did go out about forty-five minutes after the end of the ritual.



After everyone had finished eating and the fire was out, I brought the Nova Roma Micine to greet the guests. Needless to say, everyone was delighted to pet them and play with them.

I changed out of my Vestal attire, put the Micine into their strollers and took my guests on a walk down to the beach so we could take the food that was left over from the buffet to feed the sea gulls, the sight of which made the Micine very happy. J



During the meal, two feral cats appeared and ate the offering I had left. During the play time with the Micine, two very large crows appeared. One perched itself on the top of the hearth and the other was on the ground right in the exact spot where I had stood to perform most of the ritual. Both crows watched us for several minutes before flying off. I took both these signs as good omens that the ritual had been pleasing to Vesta.



Valete bene in pace Deorum,



Maxima Valeria Messallina

Sacerdos Vestalis

Virgo Maxima



"Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."

"Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73511 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Salvete,

A little less than a year and things don't see to have changed much
;-)

Valete,

C. Popillius Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Dextero sal.
>
> Under what law does she have the authority to "issue warnings"? Please cite the specific law or edict that exists allowing her to do so.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> > Dexter Catoni sal.,
> >
> > > Anyway, officially you cannot issue "warnings",
> >
> > She can officially do it, of course. As moderator of the list, she gives Sulla a warning. Sexual slang is not allowed. Moreover when Sulla put his fantasies to explain things that he does not understand.
> >
> > Not only Sulla shows to everybody that he has a crass ignorance about Antiquity but also he has a bad language. To restore the level of our forum against a such rude individual, this warning is a very good thing.
> >
> > Optime vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73512 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Dexter Catoni sal.,

> Under what law does she have the authority to "issue warnings"? Please cite the specific law or edict that exists allowing her to do so.

Lol. When you walk you have the Constitution in your hand to know if you can or not go on step after step? You read the Constituion before sleeping to know if you have the right to do it?

Under what law do you sleep? Cite a specific law or edict that exists allowing you to do so.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73513 From: David Kling Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Nope. Same thing... different day.

Modianus

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:58 AM, gaiuspopilliuslaenas <
gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete,
>
> A little less than a year and things don't see to have changed much
> ;-)
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Popillius Laenas
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73514 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Cato Dextero sal.

Pretending - for a moment - that you are actually incapable of discerning between those actions governed - and restricted - by law and those not leads me to conclude, once again, that you have no serious interest in respecting the law. This is an attitude that the ancient Romans would find vulgar in the extreme. Perhaps a year in a cohors will help you learn to appreciate that truly Roman legacy.

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Dexter Catoni sal.,
>
> > Under what law does she have the authority to "issue warnings"? Please cite the specific law or edict that exists allowing her to do so.
>
> Lol. When you walk you have the Constitution in your hand to know if you can or not go on step after step? You read the Constituion before sleeping to know if you have the right to do it?
>
> Under what law do you sleep? Cite a specific law or edict that exists allowing you to do so.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73516 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Salve Laenas,

Nice to see you! Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...

Vale,

Julia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73517 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Salve Laenas;
it is good to see you back. Well we had the Conventus and that was terrific, so some things have changed and we'll be planning one for this year.
But yes Cato still pretends he knows the law, I daresay the concept of imperium is beyond him and Sulla, well..just a child.
optime vale
Maior


>
> Salve Laenas,
>
> Nice to see you! Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...
>
> Vale,
>
> Julia
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73518 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Iulia Aquila Equitio Catoni omnibusque S.P.D.

What is vulgar, and in addition also indicates a lack of decency and manners, is when an individual refuses to simply respect another's wishes to be referred to in a particular manner, for example: Mr; Mrs; Ms; Dr; Praetor or Praetrix.
Simple. This way everyone has time to focus on the important things.

In the guise of being interested in respect of the law certain individuals engage in complicating matters in order to achieve their own agendas - methinks such individuals have nothing better to do with their time then beat dead horses.

Great Caesar's Ghost is laughing so hard right now he is shaking the snows from the heavens!

Vale, et valete,

Julia

P.S. Dexter, thank you for the amusing visual!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Dextero sal.
>
> Pretending - for a moment - that you are actually incapable of discerning between those actions governed - and restricted - by law and those not leads me to conclude, once again, that you have no serious interest in respecting the law. This is an attitude that the ancient Romans would find vulgar in the extreme. Perhaps a year in a cohors will help you learn to appreciate that truly Roman legacy.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> > Dexter Catoni sal.,
> >
> > > Under what law does she have the authority to "issue warnings"? Please cite the specific law or edict that exists allowing her to do so.
> >
> > Lol. When you walk you have the Constitution in your hand to know if you can or not go on step after step? You read the Constituion before sleeping to know if you have the right to do it?
> >
> > Under what law do you sleep? Cite a specific law or edict that exists allowing you to do so.
> >
> > Optime vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73519 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Parentatio
L. Julia Aquila Sacerdos Veneris Gentricis V. Messallinae Virgini Vestali Maximae S.P.D.

Thank you so very much for this beautiful Ceremony!
Your hard work and dedication is not only appreciated by us all but also a luminous inspiration!

Vale optime in pace Deorum,

Julia



> Maxima Valeria Messallina omnibus S.P.D.
>
>
>
>
>
> Today is the Parentatio and on this day the Vestal Virgins visited the tomb of the Vestal, Tarpeia, and prayed for all deceased Romans.
>
>
>
> At about 5:30 a.m. this morning, I began the laborious process of making a fire in my outdoor hearth (by friction created by rubbing two pieces of wood together). At around 6:20, several friends arrived who had wanted to attend this ritual. There were ten women, three girls, three men and one boy. The fact that today is a Saturday I feel helped to increase the number of attendees to more than double what I had last year (which was six guests).
>
> One of the men gave me a bottle of wine (Brunelli Amarone Campo del Titari for those of you who know wines) as an offering to Vesta for a loved one who had passed away a few months ago. That was a first. I offered it as a libation and poured it into the ground all around the hearth when the time came to make the offerings
>
> The ritual began promptly at dawn, which today was at 6:40. The morning air was cold, but the birds were singing all around us. The sky was cloudless and the temperature was 46 degrees Fahrenheit (about 8 degrees Celsius). A big improvement over last year when it rained so hard that I couldn't start the ritual until nine o'clock.
>
> Prayers were said for all deceased Nova Romans, their deceased Loved Ones and their deceased Beloved Pets.
>
> At the end of the ritual, I left an offering of cat food for the feral cats that occasionally come by (following the Roman custom to make an offering to a cat at funerals, something I learned last year on the Religio Romana list), but I put it a good distance from the hearth as the fire was left to go out on its own.
>
>
>
> After the ritual, I had a morning buffet for my guests, which was outside on my patio so I could keep an eye on the fire. I kept checking it with some concern because it seemed to burn on for a longer time than it normally does for the size of the fire I had made. I wonder if that was not an omen of some sort? The fire finally did go out about forty-five minutes after the end of the ritual.
>
>
>
> After everyone had finished eating and the fire was out, I brought the Nova Roma Micine to greet the guests. Needless to say, everyone was delighted to pet them and play with them.
>
> I changed out of my Vestal attire, put the Micine into their strollers and took my guests on a walk down to the beach so we could take the food that was left over from the buffet to feed the sea gulls, the sight of which made the Micine very happy. J
>
>
>
> During the meal, two feral cats appeared and ate the offering I had left. During the play time with the Micine, two very large crows appeared. One perched itself on the top of the hearth and the other was on the ground right in the exact spot where I had stood to perform most of the ritual. Both crows watched us for several minutes before flying off. I took both these signs as good omens that the ritual had been pleasing to Vesta.
>
>
>
> Valete bene in pace Deorum,
>
>
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>
> Virgo Maxima
>
>
>
> "Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."
>
> "Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73520 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:51 PM, luciaiuliaaquila
<dis_pensible@...>wrote:

> Iulia Aquila Equitio Catoni omnibusque S.P.D.
>
> What is vulgar, and in addition also indicates a lack of decency and
> manners, is when an individual refuses to simply respect another's wishes to
> be referred to in a particular manner,
>

Hmmm would that be why you've referred to me twice by by Yahoo ID
'Paganstorme' despite previous discussions about it being disrespectful not
to use a civi's Nova Roman Name????

Flavia Lucilla Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73521 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Maior Juliae spd;
Laeca and I are the praetrices and will be called so. I agree it shows a lack of respect and manners, which was the issue this weekend about the latent misogyny and lack of respect for women.
I had a note from a really nice woman from the religio group who loves it but hates the ML and hesitates to become a citizen. How can we recruit more than a handful of women when it is a battle to be called by one's latin title...eheu
vale
Maior



>
> What is vulgar, and in addition also indicates a lack of decency and manners, is when an individual refuses to simply respect another's wishes to be referred to in a particular manner, for example: Mr; Mrs; Ms; Dr; Praetor or Praetrix.
> Simple. This way everyone has time to focus on the important things.
>
> In the guise of being interested in respect of the law certain individuals engage in complicating matters in order to achieve their own agendas - methinks such individuals have nothing better to do with their time then beat dead horses.
>
> Great Caesar's Ghost is laughing so hard right now he is shaking the snows from the heavens!
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> Julia
>
> P.S. Dexter, thank you for the amusing visual!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Dextero sal.
> >
> > Pretending - for a moment - that you are actually incapable of discerning between those actions governed - and restricted - by law and those not leads me to conclude, once again, that you have no serious interest in respecting the law. This is an attitude that the ancient Romans would find vulgar in the extreme. Perhaps a year in a cohors will help you learn to appreciate that truly Roman legacy.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dexter Catoni sal.,
> > >
> > > > Under what law does she have the authority to "issue warnings"? Please cite the specific law or edict that exists allowing her to do so.
> > >
> > > Lol. When you walk you have the Constitution in your hand to know if you can or not go on step after step? You read the Constituion before sleeping to know if you have the right to do it?
> > >
> > > Under what law do you sleep? Cite a specific law or edict that exists allowing you to do so.
> > >
> > > Optime vale.
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73522 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Cato Maiori Iuliae Aquilaesque SPD

Iulia Aquila, do you approve of the praetor's calling me "senatrix" or will you chide her as well?

I thought not.

Maior, "praetrix" is not an actual Roman official's title. It is a sop to some delusional sense of victimization, and the "misogyny" and "lack of respect for women" are entirely figments of your fevered imagination. Since you have lied so often about me in the past (and this can be proved, so it is not speculation or whimsy but fact), I naturally expect you to carry on in the same manner - a leopard cannot change its spots, as they say.

The Constitution says "praetor", and so say I.

Valete!

Cato

P.S. - Maior, what was that about a dictatorship under Quintilianus? Do you want to talk about it or shall I? GEC



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Juliae spd;
> Laeca and I are the praetrices and will be called so. I agree it shows a lack of respect and manners, which was the issue this weekend about the latent misogyny and lack of respect for women.
> I had a note from a really nice woman from the religio group who loves it but hates the ML and hesitates to become a citizen. How can we recruit more than a handful of women when it is a battle to be called by one's latin title...eheu
> vale
> Maior
>
>
>
> >
> > What is vulgar, and in addition also indicates a lack of decency and manners, is when an individual refuses to simply respect another's wishes to be referred to in a particular manner, for example: Mr; Mrs; Ms; Dr; Praetor or Praetrix.
> > Simple. This way everyone has time to focus on the important things.
> >
> > In the guise of being interested in respect of the law certain individuals engage in complicating matters in order to achieve their own agendas - methinks such individuals have nothing better to do with their time then beat dead horses.
> >
> > Great Caesar's Ghost is laughing so hard right now he is shaking the snows from the heavens!
> >
> > Vale, et valete,
> >
> > Julia
> >
> > P.S. Dexter, thank you for the amusing visual!
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cato Dextero sal.
> > >
> > > Pretending - for a moment - that you are actually incapable of discerning between those actions governed - and restricted - by law and those not leads me to conclude, once again, that you have no serious interest in respecting the law. This is an attitude that the ancient Romans would find vulgar in the extreme. Perhaps a year in a cohors will help you learn to appreciate that truly Roman legacy.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dexter Catoni sal.,
> > > >
> > > > > Under what law does she have the authority to "issue warnings"? Please cite the specific law or edict that exists allowing her to do so.
> > > >
> > > > Lol. When you walk you have the Constitution in your hand to know if you can or not go on step after step? You read the Constituion before sleeping to know if you have the right to do it?
> > > >
> > > > Under what law do you sleep? Cite a specific law or edict that exists allowing you to do so.
> > > >
> > > > Optime vale.
> > > >
> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > > a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73523 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Become A Real Nova Roman [was: R: [Nova-Roma] Parentatio]
Aeternia Lentulo sal.

I'm doing a bit of snippage to get straight to the point.



<<major snippage>>

> Revive a sodalitas.
>
>
> I will agree it would be nice to see the Sodalitas Egressus revised and
revamped, the problem is keeping cives interested long term... Same would go
for the Musarum (how I miss it terribly) how would we keep people motivated
to want to stay?

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

>
> --- Sab 13/2/10, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
> maximavaleriamessallina@... <maximavaleriamessallina%40yahoo.com>>
> ha scritto:
>
>
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina omnibus S.P.D.
>
>
>
>
>
> Today is the Parentatio and on this day the Vestal Virgins visited the
> tomb of the Vestal, Tarpeia, and prayed for all deceased Romans.
>
>
>
> At about 5:30 a.m. this morning, I began the laborious process of making a
> fire in my outdoor hearth (by friction created by rubbing two pieces of wood
> together). At around 6:20, several friends arrived who had wanted to attend
> this ritual. There were ten women, three girls, three men and one boy. The
> fact that today is a Saturday I feel helped to increase the number of
> attendees to more than double what I had last year (which was six guests).
>
> One of the men gave me a bottle of wine (Brunelli Amarone Campo del Titari
> for those of you who know wines) as an offering to Vesta for a loved one who
> had passed away a few months ago. That was a first. I offered it as a
> libation and poured it into the ground all around the hearth when the time
> came to make the offerings
>
> The ritual began promptly at dawn, which today was at 6:40. The morning air
> was cold, but the birds were singing all around us. The sky was cloudless
> and the temperature was 46 degrees Fahrenheit (about 8 degrees Celsius). A
> big improvement over last year when it rained so hard that I couldn't start
> the ritual until nine o'clock.
>
> Prayers were said for all deceased Nova Romans, their deceased Loved Ones
> and their deceased Beloved Pets.
>
> At the end of the ritual, I left an offering of cat food for the feral cats
> that occasionally come by (following the Roman custom to make an offering to
> a cat at funerals, something I learned last year on the Religio Romana
> list), but I put it a good distance from the hearth as the fire was left to
> go out on its own.
>
>
>
> After the ritual, I had a morning buffet for my guests, which was outside
> on my patio so I could keep an eye on the fire. I kept checking it with some
> concern because it seemed to burn on for a longer time than it normally does
> for the size of the fire I had made. I wonder if that was not an omen of
> some sort? The fire finally did go out about forty-five minutes after the
> end of the ritual.
>
>
>
> After everyone had finished eating and the fire was out, I brought the Nova
> Roma Micine to greet the guests. Needless to say, everyone was delighted to
> pet them and play with them.
>
> I changed out of my Vestal attire, put the Micine into their strollers
> and took my guests on a walk down to the beach so we could take the food
> that was left over from the buffet to feed the sea gulls, the sight of which
> made the Micine very happy. J
>
>
>
> During the meal, two feral cats appeared and ate the offering I had left.
> During the play time with the Micine, two very large crows appeared. One
> perched itself on the top of the hearth and the other was on the ground
> right in the exact spot where I had stood to perform most of the
> ritual. Both crows watched us for several minutes before flying off. I took
> both these signs as good omens that the ritual had been pleasing to Vesta.
>
>
>
> Valete bene in pace Deorum,
>
>
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>
> Virgo Maxima
>
>
>
> "Nihil apud Romanos Templo Vestae sanctius habetur."
>
> "Among the Romans nothing is held more holy than the Temple of Vesta."
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73524 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:03 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:


> How can we recruit more than a handful of women when it is a battle to be
> called by one's latin title...eheu


And how can we recruit more women to an organisation whose Pontifex Maximus
apparantly sees women as weaker than men and unable to stand on their own
two feet but instead "women will look to them (men) first for the respect
they deserve and to protect their interests."

Since the Pontifex has made no reply to the various posts on this issue, one
can only presume he stands by what he said - we, as women, need men to
protect us. I certainly wouldn't invite any woman to join an organisation
where she won't be seen as an equal, they'd laugh in my face.


Flavia Lucilla Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73525 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Dexter Catoni s.d.,

> Pretending - for a moment - that you are actually incapable of discerning between those actions governed - and restricted - by law and those not leads me to conclude, once again, that you have no serious interest in respecting the law.

What law Maior did not respect? She is one of the moderators of this list and, as moderator, she can give Sulla a warning about his rudeness.

> This is an attitude that the ancient Romans would find vulgar in the extreme.

I think that you speak about your attitude by which you did not accept the imperium of the praetrix?

> Perhaps a year in a cohors will help you learn to appreciate that truly Roman legacy.

You are wrong. It is you who questionned the warning of the praetrix.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73526 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Salve Cato,

You should not assume, it is a tactic that is unattractive at best, weak at worst. If I do not address an issue then you have no idea what I thought or what I might have said to another player. May I recommend a little introspection *smile.*

Had it been kept simple none of the vitriol said by any of the actors would have escalated. Do not try to downplay your part in this little demonstration by focusing on another's - many of the player's had a part.

You do have a tendency to complicate things and dissect them beyond recognition.

May I remind you that I came to your side last year as a praetorial scriba regarding an unfair situation in which you took the high road and it was because of this intercession, and others, that action was taken - more than once. This put me on that person's attack list. Remember who it is we are referring to and to consider the source before you stick your neck out.

As a praetorial scriba this year I shall show you the fairness I showed you last year but I shall not fight your battles, nor anyone elses - however I will weigh in from time to time for a variety of reasons all of which have been carefully considered and in the interest of keeping peace and making the ML a place for all Novi Romani.

Cura ut valeas Cato,

Julia



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori Iuliae Aquilaesque SPD
>
> Iulia Aquila, do you approve of the praetor's calling me "senatrix" or will you chide her as well?
>
> I thought not.
>
> Maior, "praetrix" is not an actual Roman official's title. It is a sop to some delusional sense of victimization, and the "misogyny" and "lack of respect for women" are entirely figments of your fevered imagination. Since you have lied so often about me in the past (and this can be proved, so it is not speculation or whimsy but fact), I naturally expect you to carry on in the same manner - a leopard cannot change its spots, as they say.
>
> The Constitution says "praetor", and so say I.
>
> Valete!
>
> Cato
>
> P.S. - Maior, what was that about a dictatorship under Quintilianus? Do you want to talk about it or shall I? GEC
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Maior Juliae spd;
> > Laeca and I are the praetrices and will be called so. I agree it shows a lack of respect and manners, which was the issue this weekend about the latent misogyny and lack of respect for women.
> > I had a note from a really nice woman from the religio group who loves it but hates the ML and hesitates to become a citizen. How can we recruit more than a handful of women when it is a battle to be called by one's latin title...eheu
> > vale
> > Maior
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > What is vulgar, and in addition also indicates a lack of decency and manners, is when an individual refuses to simply respect another's wishes to be referred to in a particular manner, for example: Mr; Mrs; Ms; Dr; Praetor or Praetrix.
> > > Simple. This way everyone has time to focus on the important things.
> > >
> > > In the guise of being interested in respect of the law certain individuals engage in complicating matters in order to achieve their own agendas - methinks such individuals have nothing better to do with their time then beat dead horses.
> > >
> > > Great Caesar's Ghost is laughing so hard right now he is shaking the snows from the heavens!
> > >
> > > Vale, et valete,
> > >
> > > Julia
> > >
> > > P.S. Dexter, thank you for the amusing visual!
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cato Dextero sal.
> > > >
> > > > Pretending - for a moment - that you are actually incapable of discerning between those actions governed - and restricted - by law and those not leads me to conclude, once again, that you have no serious interest in respecting the law. This is an attitude that the ancient Romans would find vulgar in the extreme. Perhaps a year in a cohors will help you learn to appreciate that truly Roman legacy.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dexter Catoni sal.,
> > > > >
> > > > > > Under what law does she have the authority to "issue warnings"? Please cite the specific law or edict that exists allowing her to do so.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lol. When you walk you have the Constitution in your hand to know if you can or not go on step after step? You read the Constituion before sleeping to know if you have the right to do it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Under what law do you sleep? Cite a specific law or edict that exists allowing you to do so.
> > > > >
> > > > > Optime vale.
> > > > >
> > > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > > > a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73527 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! wa
Lentulus Catoni sal.


>>> Maior, "praetrix" is not an actual Roman official's title. <<<


The office is actually neither praetor, nor praetrix, but "praetura".

Amice C. Cato, please: "praetrix" and "praetor" are the same word, as I pointed out earlier, and Scholastica, Petronius did it as well. When you say praetrix, you say she, the praetor. It's a gender agreeing variant of the word. Are you saying that "he" and "she" are not the same word? Not all languages have this distinction, my language, Hungarian doesn't. To you it is acceptable to say praetor for a woman because you are Anglophone, but to say "he" for a woman will not be acceptable, because it just seem plain silliness. To me (as my language doesn't differentiate between genders nor even in he or she) it is acceptable to say both "praetor" and "he" for a woman, because my language allows it.

Well, Latin does not allow either of these ways. To someone who knows Latin, when you, an Anglophone say praetor for a woman it is just when I, a Hungarian say "he" for a woman.

To illustrate it more:

ENGLISH HUNGARIAN LATIN
male physician orvos medicus
female physician orvos medica
male teacher tanár magister
female teacher tanár magistra
male he Å‘ ille
female she Å‘ illa
male praetor praetor praetor
female praetor praetor praetrix


You can see, three languages handle all differently. Hungarian doesn't have genders at all. English has gender only in the personal pronouns "he" and "she". Latin has genders in all kinds of words.

In English, you are entitled to use what your English native instinct tells you. In Hungarian, when talking with Hungarian Nova Romans, I call Hortensia praetor too, sometimes, but I try to mix more Latin in my speech, so sometimes I call her praetrix in Hungarian, too, but that is not something that is required by my Hungarian grammar, but an effort to sound more Latin. That honours Rome.

The same way, you don't have to call her praetrix in English, but you can, if you want to show you learned some Latin and you know something about Latin nouns expressing genders with the endings of words. When speaking in English, it is not obligatory, but a nice effort for proper Latin.

If you can accept that to address a woman "praetrix" in Latin is the same as addressing a woman with "she" in English, you have understood what I wanted to explain.

Don't turn it into something political.

This is not something that has to be researched in law: it's natural, it's language.

And finally, let me emphasize again, that you as an English speaker are entitled to use praetor for a woman. But once you've learned that the more Latin form is praetrix, and you respect Romans who spoke Latin, and the praetrix herself prefers to be addressed that way, why on Earth would argue against the usage of this form?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73528 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Cato Popilliae Laenae sal.

Woot! Welcome home! Would you have it any other way?

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> A little less than a year and things don't see to have changed much
> ;-)
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Popillius Laenas
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Dextero sal.
> >
> > Under what law does she have the authority to "issue warnings"? Please cite the specific law or edict that exists allowing her to do so.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dexter Catoni sal.,
> > >
> > > > Anyway, officially you cannot issue "warnings",
> > >
> > > She can officially do it, of course. As moderator of the list, she gives Sulla a warning. Sexual slang is not allowed. Moreover when Sulla put his fantasies to explain things that he does not understand.
> > >
> > > Not only Sulla shows to everybody that he has a crass ignorance about Antiquity but also he has a bad language. To restore the level of our forum against a such rude individual, this warning is a very good thing.
> > >
> > > Optime vale.
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73529 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: WARM WELCOME back to C. LAENAS
Cn. Lentulus C. Laenati viro consulari censorio sal.


Welcome back! :) You were missed by many, and by me, too!

I can only hope there will be no new reason to abandon us... sad Nova Romans... :) Although the reason because of what you left Nova Roma is still here as a problem -- perhaps now being milder than last year.

Ave!

















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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73530 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Latin -Warning
Cato Dextero sal.

No, she cannot, because there is nothing currently that describes boundaries for what can or cannot be said in the Forum. It is nonsensical to give a "warning" when there is no yardstick against which to measure what might constitute language that is deserving of such a "warning".

It would be as if she was warning someone for wearing a blue hat. Our law says nothing about wearing blue hats so issuing a warning for someone wearing one would make no sense.

I certainly respect the imperium of the praetor. But imperium is subject to the law, because the People have declared it to be so. The law is paramount to any imagined "power" that the praetor may try to swing about her.

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Dexter Catoni s.d.,
>
> > Pretending - for a moment - that you are actually incapable of discerning between those actions governed - and restricted - by law and those not leads me to conclude, once again, that you have no serious interest in respecting the law.
>
> What law Maior did not respect? She is one of the moderators of this list and, as moderator, she can give Sulla a warning about his rudeness.
>
> > This is an attitude that the ancient Romans would find vulgar in the extreme.
>
> I think that you speak about your attitude by which you did not accept the imperium of the praetrix?
>
> > Perhaps a year in a cohors will help you learn to appreciate that truly Roman legacy.
>
> You are wrong. It is you who questionned the warning of the praetrix.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. XV Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73531 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Iulia Maiori Praetrix, sal,

You have Imperium, you are a Praetrix and you should be addressed as such as both Dexter and Lentulus said (I have not read what our Magistra has said yet).
End of story.
To do otherwise does display a lack of manners, but even more so because of your status; lack of respect. This lack of respect extends not just to you personally, which of course no one questions given history, but for all Novi Romani, for the Respublica herself.

The issue of misogyny, lack of respect for women and unequality of females is a seperate issue.

This is an issue of the Latin language and of an individual's preference as to how they wish to be addressed. It is a sign of inability to comprehend this to persist in bringing other agendas into the issue at this point when it has been clearly demonstrated to be and issue of the Latin language and the common decency of respecting an individual's preference.

Vale optime Amica,

Julia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Juliae spd;
> Laeca and I are the praetrices and will be called so. I agree it shows a lack of respect and manners, which was the issue this weekend about the latent misogyny and lack of respect for women.
> I had a note from a really nice woman from the religio group who loves it but hates the ML and hesitates to become a citizen. How can we recruit more than a handful of women when it is a battle to be called by one's latin title...eheu
> vale
> Maior
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73532 From: Cato Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.

To expect applause for acting as you should act in any case is somewhat disingenuous, but I do respect that you have acted - in your capacity as scriba - and will continue to do so - in your capacity as scriba - as the law expects you to; that is, with fairness and a blind eye to personalities.

I do not, however, request or require that you jump to my aid. I am quite content with my role in this discussion and have no interest in being chided for continuing it as I see fit. Once again, if you read the exchanges as they are written you will find that it is not I who jump straight into personality-bashing. I leave that to our ever-predictable praetor.

So, you can join the discussion as it is or you can keep your nose out of it; but do not pretend that you can sit in some sort of impartial "judgement" on the behavior of the party with whom you quite clearly and admittedly disagree.

Vale,

Cato

P.S. - I see no comment regarding "senatrix" having come forth from you as of yet, so I stand by my comment. GEC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73533 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Iulia Catoni sal,

You are tiresome; all you want is a fight. Again with the disingenuous, which indicates to me you are all too experienced with this and have just demonstrated it as a personal attribute of yours - you, Sir, have jumped straight into personality bashing.

Oh yes, I will be watching the ML. A requirement of my "role" is to act with fairness, impartiality (FYI: that is the correct word for " a blind eye to personalities")and also to come to a reasonable adjudicational conclusion based on careful analysis of the entire situation. Rather than the adolescent spin on "judgment" you are attempting to portray, I assure you I will use all my cognitive faculties to assure a keen analysis of any troublesome situation that arises in addition to measures that will ensure the peace and safety of all of our fellow citizens.

You know you are no match for me and I am not going to waste precious time on this child's game of yours.
I'll not entertain this nonsense any longer.
Grow up, behave as an adult.

Vale optime,

Julia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.
>
> To expect applause for acting as you should act in any case is somewhat disingenuous, but I do respect that you have acted - in your capacity as scriba - and will continue to do so - in your capacity as scriba - as the law expects you to; that is, with fairness and a blind eye to personalities.
>
> I do not, however, request or require that you jump to my aid. I am quite content with my role in this discussion and have no interest in being chided for continuing it as I see fit. Once again, if you read the exchanges as they are written you will find that it is not I who jump straight into personality-bashing. I leave that to our ever-predictable praetor.
>
> So, you can join the discussion as it is or you can keep your nose out of it; but do not pretend that you can sit in some sort of impartial "judgement" on the behavior of the party with whom you quite clearly and admittedly disagree.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> P.S. - I see no comment regarding "senatrix" having come forth from you as of yet, so I stand by my comment. GEC
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73534 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: Classic Poetry, Prose, Proems, Literature Excerpts
Salvéte, amícae et amící!

It is my humble hope that today's offering might give us all pause to engage in a little introspection - myself included:).

The Braggart Warrior
Titus Maccius Plautus
Loeb Classical Library
isbn 0-674-99181-8


Alazon Graece huic nomen vobis est comoediae,
id nos Latine gloriosum dicimus.
hoc oppidium Ephesust; illest miles meus erus,
qui hinc ad forum abiit, gloriosus, impudens,
stercoreus, plenus periuri atque adulteri.
ait sese ultro omnis mulieres sectarier:
is deridiculost, quaqua incedit, omnibus.

The Greek name of this comedy is Alazon, a word which we translate as Braggart. This town is Ephesus. That soldier who left here for the forum is my master, a bragging, brazen, stercoraceous fellow, full of lies and lechery. He says that all women insist on running after him. The fact is, wherever he struts, he is the laughing-stock of them all.


For those interested in reading Latin may I suggest the Loeb Classical Library. I could not go much further with this selection as it may have offended some cives – however it is a marvelous easy read in both Latin and English. I do not know if it is online for those tight on funds but you might find a copy of this in the Loeb Classical Library series online reasonably priced.

Bene valéte in pace Veneris

Julia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73535 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Salve Flavia Lucilla,

I was not directly addressing you. I was addressing your email as indicative of your combative antagonistic negative posts that only appear when you wish to storm the gates and add rancor and discord to the mailing list as you defend your allies.
Get it straight, think, a little comprehension goes a long way.
I also find it very revealing that when I did address you directly, kindly, using your Roman name and with good regard you did not respond.
One more thing. I could go toe to toe with you regarding "afflictions" and illnesses so could many of the other good citizens here, but we choose to make the best use of our time for positive endeavors, preserving our dignity while not providing excuses publicly for the reasons while we make no positive contributions. Positive endeavors reap positive rewards - negative endeavors build up to poor lasting impressions and rarely are rewarding; any perceived reward, any perceived satifaction is short lived and shallow. Just think of all the time you have spent online in negative endeavors and then imagine what positive endeavors you could have contributed to the Respublica. Negative endeavors create a stressful situation that only strife and discord can maintian - stress exacerbates particular afflictions and they take more energy; positive endeavors have the opposite effect and are beneficial not only to you but to others as well.
You decide, ultimately it is up to you.

Vale optime

Julia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:51 PM, luciaiuliaaquila
> <dis_pensible@...>wrote:
>
> > Iulia Aquila Equitio Catoni omnibusque S.P.D.
> >
> > What is vulgar, and in addition also indicates a lack of decency and
> > manners, is when an individual refuses to simply respect another's wishes to
> > be referred to in a particular manner,
> >
>
> Hmmm would that be why you've referred to me twice by by Yahoo ID
> 'Paganstorme' despite previous discussions about it being disrespectful not
> to use a civi's Nova Roman Name????
>
> Flavia Lucilla Merula
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73536 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:08 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <dis_pensible@...
> wrote:

> Salve Flavia Lucilla,
>
> I was not directly addressing you. I was addressing your email


Wow - and you talk about disingenuous :-)


>
> I also find it very revealing that when I did address you directly, kindly,
> using your Roman name and with good regard you did not respond.
>

I am genuinely sorry but I have already explained sometimes several days or
even a week go by before I can get online. I don't always catch up with all
posts. At the best of times I can't guarantee to have read them all but I am
sorry if you felt I was ignoring you.


> One more thing. I could go toe to toe with you regarding "afflictions" and
> illnesses so could many of the other good citizens here,but we choose to
> make the best use of our time for positive endeavors, preserving our dignity
> while not providing excuses publicly


I have to say I find this remark totally uncalled for. In all the years I
have been in Nova Roma I have never once mentioned my illness or disabilty
until now. I have stated I prefer to keep such things private but got
totally fed up constantly having citizens told, by our Preatrix that I had
done nothing for Nova Roma. From your statement I can see exactly why I
preferred to keep it private.


> Just think of all the time you have spent online in negative endeavors
>

Again, amazing - if I sycophantically agree, i'd be seen as positive,
because I have the temerity to object to things I think are totally unfair
or uncalled for, I'm immediately seen as negative. How very black and white.
Thank you for your concern but I find it much less stressful to speak up for
what I believe to be right than to ignore remarks and attitudes I find
abhorrent

Flavia Lucilla Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73537 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: WARM WELCOME back to C. LAENAS
Salvete,

Thanks to everyone who has said kind words.

I have asked the Censores to reinstate me. There is a 90 day waiting period that has been running for a couple of weeks now.

Valete,

C. Popillius Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Lentulus C. Laenati viro consulari censorio sal.
>
>
> Welcome back! :) You were missed by many, and by me, too!
>
> I can only hope there will be no new reason to abandon us... sad Nova Romans... :) Although the reason because of what you left Nova Roma is still here as a problem -- perhaps now being milder than last year.
>
> Ave!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73538 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Salve Julia Aquila,

First off, I will immediately give apologies if you find my following words
offensive.. Our exchanges have been few and very far between, but I do
always enjoy your posts about prose and poetry, as a Poetess I do appreciate
them. From an outsiders perspective on the conversation your words to
Flavia Lucilla, came off a bit harsh probably not your intention you among
others are trying to attempt a positive influence on the ML. It seems that
Flavia Lucilla participates in discussions on several different lists when
she is able to I find her to be pleasant and cordial one of the few voices
of reason on the BA list. To me her health should be first and foremost,
instead of chiding her for what is perceived as "negative" posts. She is
only speaking up, as do several other individuals on this list it just
happens to be on the opposite side of the popular majority spectrum. Should
she not say anything at all? Just to keep silent and fade away into the
darkness like so many many other citizens previously have done? Or should
she contribute to attempt to make a difference even if it is by voice? We
should all pray to whatever deities and paths we follow, that Flavia's pain
be eased so that she can contribute more in the future, and continue being a
positive presence here in Nova Roma.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:08 PM, luciaiuliaaquila
<dis_pensible@...>wrote:

>
>
> Salve Flavia Lucilla,
>
> I was not directly addressing you. I was addressing your email as
> indicative of your combative antagonistic negative posts that only appear
> when you wish to storm the gates and add rancor and discord to the mailing
> list as you defend your allies.
> Get it straight, think, a little comprehension goes a long way.
> I also find it very revealing that when I did address you directly, kindly,
> using your Roman name and with good regard you did not respond.
> One more thing. I could go toe to toe with you regarding "afflictions" and
> illnesses so could many of the other good citizens here, but we choose to
> make the best use of our time for positive endeavors, preserving our dignity
> while not providing excuses publicly for the reasons while we make no
> positive contributions. Positive endeavors reap positive rewards - negative
> endeavors build up to poor lasting impressions and rarely are rewarding; any
> perceived reward, any perceived satifaction is short lived and shallow. Just
> think of all the time you have spent online in negative endeavors and then
> imagine what positive endeavors you could have contributed to the
> Respublica. Negative endeavors create a stressful situation that only strife
> and discord can maintian - stress exacerbates particular afflictions and
> they take more energy; positive endeavors have the opposite effect and are
> beneficial not only to you but to others as well.
> You decide, ultimately it is up to you.
>
> Vale optime
>
> Julia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Kirsteen
> Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:51 PM, luciaiuliaaquila
> > <dis_pensible@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > > Iulia Aquila Equitio Catoni omnibusque S.P.D.
> > >
> > > What is vulgar, and in addition also indicates a lack of decency and
> > > manners, is when an individual refuses to simply respect another's
> wishes to
> > > be referred to in a particular manner,
> > >
> >
> > Hmmm would that be why you've referred to me twice by by Yahoo ID
> > 'Paganstorme' despite previous discussions about it being disrespectful
> not
> > to use a civi's Nova Roman Name????
> >
> > Flavia Lucilla Merula
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73539 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Maior Aeternia spd;
I certainly appreciated Merula voting against nicknaming me 'Goebbels' on the BA as opposed to Sulla, Metellus and others.

So if you have 'x' limited energy why not devote half of that to doing positive things for NR like helping the Virgo Maxima? it might only involve making a post, or reading one, but Merula turned it down.

That's the attitude, Julia Aquila is talking about. All of us can do positive real things for Nova Roma. She and I are discussing the planning of the next Conventus, something all Nova Romans of all political stripes can enjoy.

And how did the BA Conventus in Las Vegas go? I remember the planning of that very well indeed.
vale
Maior

---
> she is able to I find her to be pleasant and cordial one of the few voices
> of reason on the BA list. To me her health should be first and foremost,
> instead of chiding her for what is perceived as "negative" posts. She is
> only speaking up, as do several other individuals on this list it just
> happens to be on the opposite side of the popular majority spectrum.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73540 From: Jennifer Harris Date: 2010-02-15
Subject: Re: To Praetore or to Praetrix: That was the question! was Re: Latin
Aeternia Maior spd;

I'm going to daringly assume that you are being civil, I know we have our
differences, and I shall in turn be civil as well. How about we not mention
anything about Sulla or Metellus for once? I believe that to be a pretty
fair request.

Maybe its my perception or my upbringing but to me someones health takes
precedence, Merula contributes when she can and is feeling up to it, we
should appreciate that, is it right to demand more? As I recall correctly,
just recently Merula thanked Messalina on the Religio List on the success of
the Vestal's recent ritual and her continuing services for Nova Roma (yes I
am subscriber on the Religio List) in my eyes, that is a post and also a
positive contribution.

If the Vestal Messalina feels she is in dire need of help as you seem to be
stressing, why not speak up? I'll gladly volunteer my poets quill, I wrote
hymns for former Vestal and citizen Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata, and I
wrote a piece for the Sacredos of Apollo, several hymns of my writing should
be on the Musarum Archives, so I'm definitely qualified to do it.. All
Messalina needs to do is ask me and it can be done.

I think thats great another US Conventus is being planned, where is it being
held has a locale been decided? But also I believe that the local provinces
could also use a boost, gatherings, and member gettogethers should also be
encouraged and fostered. I know my oppidum group we're a pretty tight knit
group, it would be nice to see other oppidums formed on the states side as
well.

Btw, I wouldn't know how the BA Conventus went, for sadly I did not attend,
all the fuss that got created and a visitor from out of state happened to
stop by, elected to stay home. Those who attended had a great time. Now
there's no point of mentioning this anymore, because I remember very well
indeed the last time this was brought up. Lets both have some tact and
stick with the current issues at hand.

Vale,
Aeternia

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:27 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> Maior Aeternia spd;
> I certainly appreciated Merula voting against nicknaming me 'Goebbels' on
> the BA as opposed to Sulla, Metellus and others.
>
> So if you have 'x' limited energy why not devote half of that to doing
> positive things for NR like helping the Virgo Maxima? it might only involve
> making a post, or reading one, but Merula turned it down.
>
> That's the attitude, Julia Aquila is talking about. All of us can do
> positive real things for Nova Roma. She and I are discussing the planning of
> the next Conventus, something all Nova Romans of all political stripes can
> enjoy.
>
> And how did the BA Conventus in Las Vegas go? I remember the planning of
> that very well indeed.
> vale
> Maior
>
> ---
>
> > she is able to I find her to be pleasant and cordial one of the few
> voices
> > of reason on the BA list. To me her health should be first and foremost,
> > instead of chiding her for what is perceived as "negative" posts. She is
> > only speaking up, as do several other individuals on this list it just
> > happens to be on the opposite side of the popular majority spectrum.
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 73541 From: marcus.lucretius Date: 2010-02-16
Subject: Re: Latin behaviour.
Agricola Omnibus sal.

A very interesting read on the phallus (to use a proper academic term) as apotropaic image is "Naked Power: The Phallus as an Apotropaic Symbol in the Images and Texts of Roman Italy" available here: http://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1010&context=uhf_2006

This well-illustrated and well-written paper is an antidote to such Victorian preconceptions as may be held and is a great way to begin to reclaim an aspect of Roman culture that very many even today misunderstand.

optime valete in cura deorum





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Dexter Sullae sal.
>
> > As one of the owners of the BackAlley and a fellow academic, we who are subscribed on the back alley do not prefer to sanitize the actual ancients like Ovid who wrote his book on how to seduce married women...or the residents of ancient Pompeii who had artistic cocks posted literally everywhere.
>
> Voilà donc la preuve de votre complète ignorance. Vous avez employé un mot argotique pour expliquer ce que vous ne comprenez pas. Pour les Romains le Phallus ou Fascinum (d'où vient le mot fascination) était le signe de la Félicité et de la Prospérité. Ce n'était pas de l'art cochon.
>
> There is the proof of your complete ignorance. You say a slang word of the penis to explain something you do not understand. For Romans the Phallus or Fascinum (from which comes the word fascination) was the sign of the felicity and the prosperity. It was not artistick X.
>
> Ovid did not write poems on how seduce married women. He wrote himself about his Ars amandi:
>
> Usus opus movet hoc: vati parete perito
> Vera canam; coeptis, mater Amoris, ades.
> Este procul vittae tenues, insigne pudoris,
> Quaeque tegis medios instita longa pedes:
> Nos Venerem tutam concessaque furta canemus
> Inque meo nullum carmine crimen erit.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. XVI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>