Caesar Corvae sal,

As far as many of us concerned the flames have long fast gone beyond being fanned. To claim otherwise or talk of resolution in the face of repeated abuses by elected officials is to me akin to walking around Nova Roma with a bag on your head.

So far I deduce that, since you didn't indict Messalina for "fanning the flames" with her emotive diatribe, that she gets a free pass by virtue of it being glossed over as "Whatever Valeria Messallina's views may be, and however she wrote her commentary". So, she gets to ignite another section of the brush, but no public critical comments of her?

If you are going to seemingly adopt a position of political neutrality then be seen to be even handed, otherwise your position remains to me suspect, as being simply veiled partisan support for her.

Optime vale.


From: aerdensrw
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:41 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Enough is enough! [was Re: Sulla, Cato and empty legal threats]


P. Corva omnibus sal.

Not well said, in my opinion.

Whatever Valeria Messallina's views may be, and however she wrote her commentary, a response like this doesn't help resolve anything; it just fans the flames.


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<<--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

Citizens of Nova Roma, you will now witness how Sulla will try and bully me with insults and threats, and Cato, with a ton of doublespeak, will try and blacken my name and reputation. You will witness their handful of followers attempt to the same.>>
 
Told you they would, right on clue.
 
However, Citizens, I am not a close friend of Maior.
They ask for proof. LOL Start with day one and read on forward. Anyone who has read the ML has read plenty of proof.
And my vow to Vesta is perfectly intact, thank you for asking. :)
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis
 
P.S. Sulla would never say anything like what Claudius said to save his soul.




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Salve

>>>> Citizens of Nova Roma, you will now witness how Sulla will try and bully me with insults and threats, and Cato, with a ton of doublespeak, will try and blacken my name and reputation. You will witness their handful of followers attempt to the same.>>>>

>>> Told you they would, right on clue.>>>

I said nothing of your reputation Messallina. I did not insult you, threaten you, use doublespeak, or try to blacken your name or reputation. I simply asked you to prove your assertions, to provide evidence for your accusations. That is all. If you are incapable of doing so then you are the only one who will be guilty of blackening your reputation.

Cicero

Exceptionally well said!
While it may appear that most of what goes on in Nova Roma is only in cyberspace, that is not entirely true. Many citizens do all sorts of wonderful things in their private lives and/or as part of a group. Particularly in Europe there is much more going on than here in the U.S., but it doesn't all get posted to this list sometimes. 
Maxima Valeria Messallina


<<--- On Mon, 2/22/10, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:

Caeca Calvino omnibusque S.P.D.

First, I am glad to see you being active and giving your opinions, here. Often, the views of a new citizen, not steeped in our issues and habits, can bring a fresh point of view that proves to be invaluable, and, let say right in the beginning that what I am going to say is in no way a contradiction of your points, because hat you say has merit.

I will, however, say again, as I have said before, and will continue to say well, type) until someone duct tapes my wrists behind my back; and then I will think it, loudly, just in case. for all our growing pains (yes, we're 11 (or is it 12?) years old, but considering what we are trying to do, we are still very young), and our contentiousness, there is enormous good here. It can be found in special interest groups, on the WIKI, in our Provinces (speaking of which, have you made contact with yours?), and in the personal relationships that have formed between citizens over time. I have heard That NR is dead and that it isn't worth"saving" , and I disagree, entirely and passionately. We have work to do ...we have obstacles to overcome, and we will do so. We are, in many ways, though, like a huge, extended family, and like a huge, extended family, we have representatives of every"type" of "relative" you can imagine, ranging from the quiet, industrious
people who say little but work hard, to our "black sheep", to our wise and experienced "elders" and our new, sometimes confused "children". We tend to wash our dirty linen in public, which is usually frustrating to those not involved, probably unwise, and yet, in its own way, healthy, or could be, if differences were actually settled.

What you have been seeing, though, is more complicated, because it has to do with the ways in which our Res public and Her officials conduct themselves and exercise their imperium, and yes, that is of crucial interest to all citizens, and should take place in, and be subject to discussion in, public, at least in my opinion.

I am not one of the founders, nor do I have status or reputation here, but I can tell you this. There have been times when I have howled with frustration, questioned why I stay, and even tried to figure out why, exactly, I put up with the things I see. But ...passions get aroused. Tempers flare. long held frustrations erupt like volcanoes and spew hot ash and noxious gasses all over the landscape:and I learned that I couldn't turn my back on this Res Publica, because I tried it. Yes, we can (and should) spend more time and energy in productive and positive efforts that will help us reach our goals; yes, we can be more civil, kind and considerate in our interactions with one another, and I think we should be. But, again, we are one of the most international and diverse groups I have ever seen, and, if nothing else, I have learned perspective here ...and have, thankfully, been required to reexamine what I found to be some rather arrogant, nationally based
assumptions that do not work well in an international community. And before someone castigates me ...this does not make me less American; I hope it makes me a more tolerant American, willing to understand that my "world view" and understanding and opinions of the ways in which societies should function are one view among many, equally valid viewpoints.

Back to topic: do not expect tidiness or mechanical efficiency from us, you won't get it. what you will get, though, is a group of mostly wonderful, helpful, generous people who do what they can, when they can, and to the extent they can, to build something of which we can be increasingly justly proud. We are not on a straight or easy road ...but it's our chosen road, and for my part, I'll endure, until I am no longer welcome in this company of travelers.

And that, I rather expect, is more than you ever wanted to read, (smile).
Vale et valete bene,
C. Maria Caeca>>




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<<--- On Tue, 2/23/10, lucius_cornelius_cicero <Cicero@...> wrote:
Salve

>>>> Citizens of Nova Roma, you will now witness how Sulla will try and bully me with insults and threats, and Cato, with a ton of doublespeak, will try and blacken my name and reputation. You will witness their handful of followers attempt to the same.>>>>

>>> Told you they would, right on clue.>>>

I said nothing of your reputation Messallina. I did not insult you, threaten you, use doublespeak, or try to blacken your name or reputation.>>
 
No, you have not and I thank you most kindly for not doing that.
 
<< I simply asked you to prove your assertions, to provide evidence for your accusations.>>
 
Not accusations, just the truth. As for proof, just read the ML. The Religio list, too. It's all there.
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis




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C. Petronius Cn. Caesari s.p.d.,

> More howling at the moon?

You do that?

> I suggest you go and ask for a large dose of reality pills from your doctor.

I guess a connoisseur... :o)

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VII Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Salve,

I'm am getting so sick of all acrimony between Sulla, Maior and
others. If proof exists about these accusations against Sulla and Cato
"SHOW ME"! Don't just refer me to look on the Main List, "show me"
the actual e-mail's in their entirety (not just part of them) that you
are talking about.

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus



On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Maxima Valeria Messallina
<maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

> <<--- On Tue, 2/23/10, lucius_cornelius_cicero <Cicero@...> wrote:
> Salve
>
>>>>> Citizens of Nova Roma, you will now witness how Sulla will try and bully me with insults and threats, and Cato, with a ton of doublespeak, will try and blacken my name and reputation. You will witness their handful of followers attempt to the same.>>>>
>
>>>> Told you they would, right on clue.>>>
>
> I said nothing of your reputation Messallina. I did not insult you, threaten you, use doublespeak, or try to blacken your name or reputation.>>
>
> No, you have not and I thank you most kindly for not doing that.
>
> << I simply asked you to prove your assertions, to provide evidence for your accusations.>>
>
> Not accusations, just the truth. As for proof, just read the ML. The Religio list, too. It's all there.
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

C. Petronius L. Sullae s.p.d.,

> NR will never have any control of the BA EVER.

Are you so sure of that? You seem to fear the contrary. Never say never. :o)

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VII Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

C. Petronius T. Apollonio s.p.d,

> Hello,
> Are there Nova Roma citizens in Belgium ?

Bien sûr. Ils sont sur NR Gallia.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VII Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Dal" <dalmac47@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete ,
>
>
> As I browsed the ML "forum" today as I usually do, I noticed that the "Sulla, Cato, Hortensia" drama has reignited. During my Probationary period I followed it but felt the need not to comment. However today, it seems to have taken on a even more serious tone. Now I Know I'm new and everything, but I must say this, and I have no mal intentions for either party, but this is ridiculus. You guys, seem so intelligent, so eloquent, but you guys seem to be spending so much energy on, excuse my Lingua Franca, on BS. This Nova Roman, The Roman Republic refounded, Why can't these energies and resources be used to build a better, and more real Respublica. From what I see most of the Respublica exist in cyberspace. If All the citizens of Nova Roma worked together, we could build something great. I know that some people may not like others, but we are all Romans, Aren't we? Our goals should be always to make this republic greater and more concrete. We must as we say where I'm from "Let the BS ride" Let it go. Is it really that serious? Ah maybe we are recreating the facet of Roma that included personal vendattas, conscriptions, and harmful lawsuits. If this the case, indeed we are recreating the republic. But We could be so much greater. One more thing we should remember we are but a few, If we are divided, we be able to accomplish nothing.
>
>
> Gaius Iulius Calvinus
>

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



Salvete,



I agree with everyone, especially that statement "Calvino rocks"
If a citizen or magistrates violate law, their should indeed be consequence, but the nature of those consequences should depend only on rather that person violated that law with mal intention or from ignorance. Whether you like that person, personally should not be involved. During my probatationary period I saw alot of things, accusations of misuse of power, accussation of disrespect for magistrates, edicts being issued and all. To be honest it was sort of impressive. Not the arguments, but the fact that people were thinking, acting, being "Roman" . I saw people actually living, fighting, and even in some sad cases dying as Romans in our age. But us being against each other will not work. A house divided cannot stand. Even if we disagree we must still respect each other as Romans. I think of Pompey and Ceasar, throughout their conflict it is still said that they respected each other. Ceasar didn't "want" his head,You know.
To be honest I beleive that we in this Nova Roma are more intelligent than most. I mean a simple man wouldn't take such a fancy to such a grand and complex thing as recreating roman culture and society. Roma is not a simple thing in anyway,but we love and continue to revive her, indeed We Are Special. That's why the bickering errks me so, we could be doing so much more to make this thing even greater. I also am happy to know that even more interaction takes place offline, and can't wait to participate. I anticipate the Conventus in North America with glee!! Where can i get a toga, tunic, and sandals!!!

Caesar Prisco sal.

Proof? Oh, do you mean the tittle-tattle of "I heard from so and so that...<insert latest fabricated item of nonsense i.e. - Cato/Sulla/They both eat/eats babies for dinner>", or small section of posts quoted totally out of context and having no bearing whatsover on the matter at hand, other than in the warped and twisted imagination of the latest purveyor of drivel? Yes, plenty of that. Its the product of all those pursed lips and facial expressions that would suggest the wearer has ingested a bag of lemons when Cato or Sulla's names are mentioned.

Or did you mean actual posts with links or post numbers provided that conclusively prove all these turgid claims? Yes, some of us tried that. Maior used to be famous of saying words to the effect of "I'm bored now I am off to write a poem/read a book/write a Wiki stub {delete as required}" and quit the field of debate without ever actually proving what she had claimed, other than of course to all the lemon suckers. Messallina says "just read the ML". It is essentially the same type of deflection tactic.

Optime vale 


 


----- Original Message ----
From: Charlie Collins <oldroman@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 10:13:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Enough is enough! [was Re: Sulla, Cato and empty legal threats]

Salve,

I'm am getting so sick of all acrimony between Sulla, Maior and
others. If proof exists about these accusations against Sulla and Cato
"SHOW ME"!  Don't just refer me to look on the Main List, "show me"
the actual e-mail's in their entirety (not just part of them) that you
are talking about.

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

Hmm, it would seem some people are suffering from selective amnesia, because anyone who reads their posts on ML knows the truth of my words. It's all there. Always has been. They leave evidence whenever and wherever they post.
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis
 
 

<<--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Charlie Collins <oldroman@...> wrote:
Salve,

I'm am getting so sick of all acrimony between Sulla, Maior and
others. If proof exists about these accusations against Sulla and Cato
"SHOW ME"! Don't just refer me to look on the Main List, "show me"
the actual e-mail's in their entirety (not just part of them) that you
are talking about.

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus>>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cato Iulio Calvino sal.

Take a look here:

http://www.lawrensnest.com/

That's where I got mine :)

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Dal" <dalmac47@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Dal" <dalmac47@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete ,
> >
> >
> > As I browsed the ML "forum" today as I usually do, I noticed that the "Sulla, Cato, Hortensia" drama has reignited. During my Probationary period I followed it but felt the need not to comment. However today, it seems to have taken on a even more serious tone. Now I Know I'm new and everything, but I must say this, and I have no mal intentions for either party, but this is ridiculus. You guys, seem so intelligent, so eloquent, but you guys seem to be spending so much energy on, excuse my Lingua Franca, on BS. This Nova Roman, The Roman Republic refounded, Why can't these energies and resources be used to build a better, and more real Respublica. From what I see most of the Respublica exist in cyberspace. If All the citizens of Nova Roma worked together, we could build something great. I know that some people may not like others, but we are all Romans, Aren't we? Our goals should be always to make this republic greater and more concrete. We must as we say where I'm from "Let the BS ride" Let it go. Is it really that serious? Ah maybe we are recreating the facet of Roma that included personal vendattas, conscriptions, and harmful lawsuits. If this the case, indeed we are recreating the republic. But We could be so much greater. One more thing we should remember we are but a few, If we are divided, we be able to accomplish nothing.
> >
> >
> > Gaius Iulius Calvinus
> >
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Salvete,
>
>
>
> I agree with everyone, especially that statement "Calvino rocks"
> If a citizen or magistrates violate law, their should indeed be consequence, but the nature of those consequences should depend only on rather that person violated that law with mal intention or from ignorance. Whether you like that person, personally should not be involved. During my probatationary period I saw alot of things, accusations of misuse of power, accussation of disrespect for magistrates, edicts being issued and all. To be honest it was sort of impressive. Not the arguments, but the fact that people were thinking, acting, being "Roman" . I saw people actually living, fighting, and even in some sad cases dying as Romans in our age. But us being against each other will not work. A house divided cannot stand. Even if we disagree we must still respect each other as Romans. I think of Pompey and Ceasar, throughout their conflict it is still said that they respected each other. Ceasar didn't "want" his head,You know.
> To be honest I beleive that we in this Nova Roma are more intelligent than most. I mean a simple man wouldn't take such a fancy to such a grand and complex thing as recreating roman culture and society. Roma is not a simple thing in anyway,but we love and continue to revive her, indeed We Are Special. That's why the bickering errks me so, we could be doing so much more to make this thing even greater. I also am happy to know that even more interaction takes place offline, and can't wait to participate. I anticipate the Conventus in North America with glee!! Where can i get a toga, tunic, and sandals!!!
>

Caesar Prisco sal.

Well there you go, all you need to do is read anything they write on the ML and they leave "evidence" <LOL>. Of what? That they posted? Their names? The date? This sort of "proof" is the same sort of denuciation tactics used in far seedier and dangerous macronational regimes to dispose of opponents. There of course you end up in a mass grave or with your head cut off. Here in Nova Roma you just have to suffer the insanity of circular arguments.


"Cato and Sulla are guilty!"

 "Why are they guilty?"

"Because I say they are! I took a vow to speak the truth and therefore I am infallible"

"Do you have any proof?"


"Read their words - that is all you have to do the evidence is there!"

"So there is no actual proof?"

"Cato and Sulla are guilty!"

"Look I asked why they are guilty..tell me!"


"Because I say they are! I took a vow to speak the truth and therefore I am infallible"

"PROOF?????"


"Read their words - that is all you have to do the evidence is there!"

.......


If this train of Nova Roman "logic" becomes the accepted norm, then this respublica will have successfully managed to recreate that much admired profession of the delator.
 
 
Optime vale



----- Original Message ----
From: Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 11:10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Enough is enough! [was Re: Sulla, Cato and empty legal threats]

Hmm, it would seem some people are suffering from selective amnesia, because anyone who reads their posts on ML knows the truth of my words. It's all there. Always has been. They leave evidence whenever and wherever they post.
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis

Salve,

Selective amnesia or not, accusations have been made. It's not up to
me to provide or look for the proof of them. You and Maior are the
accusers so it is YOU that needs to provide the proof in the ACTUAL
e-mails in their ENTIRETY to me to change my mind. So, put up or shut
up! I will be eagerly awaiting your proof.

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus


On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina
<maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

> Hmm, it would seem some people are suffering from selective amnesia, because anyone who reads their posts on ML knows the truth of my words. It's all there. Always has been. They leave evidence whenever and wherever they post.
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>
>
>
> <<--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Charlie Collins <oldroman@...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I'm am getting so sick of all acrimony between Sulla, Maior and
> others. If proof exists about these accusations against Sulla and Cato
> "SHOW ME"! Don't just refer me to look on the Main List, "show me"
> the actual e-mail's in their entirety (not just part of them) that you
> are talking about.
>
> Vale,
> Quintus Servilius Priscus>>
>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Paullae Corvae salutem dicit

Hortensia Maior and I used to be at odds with one another; you can read the
archives of the main list from 2004 or so. However, I was asked to "get
along with her" as best I could in the censorial cohores of Caeso Fabius
Buteo Quintilianus and it was there -- outside of the politics of Nova Roma
-- that I became friends with her and remain so today. I've spoken with her
on the phone, and while she does -- at times -- come across as abrasive she
in fact is a lovely person to talk to and get to know. Many people who here
likely have different personalities when not sitting at their PC issuing
e-mails like fatwahs!

I don't suspect Sulla, Cato, or Caesar will ever speak well of Maior. But
then again, five years ago I never suspected I would either. People can and
do change.

Vale;

Modianus

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, aerdensrw <aerdensrw@...> wrote:

>
>
> Paulla Corva Gaudialis Gaie Iulie Calvine omnesque sal.
>
> Calvino, you rock, and I agree with you whole-heartedly.
>
> Honestly, folks--I doubt Sulla will ever think well of Hortensia Maior, or
> vice-versa. So can we stop caling each other liars and settle the issue of
> whether Hortensia Maior overstepped her bounds as Praetrix administratively,
> the way it would be done everywhere else but here? In fact, didn't Albucius
> already settle it, by overruling and reversing Maior's decision? Can we
> please have some professionalism about how we conduct our internal business,
> instead of squabbling? I'm not asking for secrecy, just for this dispute to
> be handled the way it would be in any good corporation.
>
> Or we could handle it like my Mom used to handle my sister and me: "You sit
> in this corner. You sit in that corner. I don't want to hear another word
> out of either of you! No buts!"
>
> Heh...Nova Roma needs my Mom. :)
>


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C. Petronius L. Cornelio Ciceroni s.p.d.,

> Well said Caesar.

In my opinion, you display bias.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VII Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Gaius Tullius Valerianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.

And now for something a little different . . .

There has been some activity over on the Nova Roma Philosophy list lately, and that may interest some citizens, especially if they were previously unaware of the existence of that list or overlooked it due to inactivity. I have begun a blog in which I have been examining some Stoic ideas, and I've been cross-posting them to NovaRomaPhilosophy. They've sparked some interest, discussion, and thought (not that I'm taking all the credit, nor am I claiming that the activity has been massive, but things are happening!)

Therefore, I would like to invite any interested citizens to check out the Philosophy group if you have an interest in Roman philosophy, or Stoicism, or would just like to see some practical discussion about living in a Roman way that isn't political or tainted (yet, anyway!) with accusations and namecalling and controversy (other than philosophical controversy, of course!).

Valete!

Salve,

I knew that you'd make a great Consul!

Vale,
Diana Aventina

Pot Kettle Black.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius L. Cornelio Ciceroni s.p.d.,
>
> > Well said Caesar.
>
> In my opinion, you display bias.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. VII Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

Yep 100% confident. :)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
>
> C. Petronius L. Sullae s.p.d.,
>
> > NR will never have any control of the BA EVER.
>
> Are you so sure of that? You seem to fear the contrary. Never say never. :o)
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. VII Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

HEheh she learned from Maior. I am afraid to know what else she learned from her.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> Caesar Prisco sal.
>
> Proof? Oh, do you mean the tittle-tattle of "I heard from so and so that...<insert latest fabricated item of nonsense i.e. - Cato/Sulla/They both eat/eats babies for dinner>", or small section of posts quoted totally out of context and having no bearing whatsover on the matter at hand, other than in the warped and twisted imagination of the latest purveyor of drivel? Yes, plenty of that. Its the product of all those pursed lips and facial expressions that would suggest the wearer has ingested a bag of lemons when Cato or Sulla's names are mentioned.
>
> Or did you mean actual posts with links or post numbers provided that conclusively prove all these turgid claims? Yes, some of us tried that. Maior used to be famous of saying words to the effect of "I'm bored now I am off to write a poem/read a book/write a Wiki stub {delete as required}" and quit the field of debate without ever actually proving what she had claimed, other than of course to all the lemon suckers. Messallina says "just read the ML". It is essentially the same type of deflection tactic.
>
> Optime vale 
>
>
>  
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Charlie Collins <oldroman@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 10:13:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Enough is enough! [was Re: Sulla, Cato and empty legal threats]
>
> Salve,
>
> I'm am getting so sick of all acrimony between Sulla, Maior and
> others. If proof exists about these accusations against Sulla and Cato
> "SHOW ME"!  Don't just refer me to look on the Main List, "show me"
> the actual e-mail's in their entirety (not just part of them) that you
> are talking about.
>
> Vale,
> Quintus Servilius Priscus
>

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Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae

Noted.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius L. Cornelio Ciceroni s.p.d.,
>
> > Well said Caesar.
>
> In my opinion, you display bias.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. VII Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

>
>
> Newcomers to Nova Roma;
>
> One of the first things that needs to be learned about the Nova Roma
> Main List is that it does not necessarily represent all those in
> NR. In fact, for the most part, the most of the messages on this
> list are posted by a very few of our citizens. A second thing is
> that not everyone here has the same degree of sensitivity to
> another's comments. Some simply do not care, and others do care
> very much. Some here have not learned to get their point across
> without foul language or insult, and some here do not wish to bother
> with personal feuds or insults. It must be also considered in the
> light of the internationality in which Nova Roma is deeply involved
> and the difference in culture between those in the North Hemisphere
> and the South Hemisphere and the East and West Hemispheres.
> Consider further that many people are trying to do many things and
> each has a different way that they are absolutely sure is the
> correct and only way to get something done. Some people are
> interested in religion, some in language, some in politics and some
> in a variety of other interests. Considering all that, and
> considering in addition that there are some real problems that must
> be solved if Nova Roma is to succeed in any kind of a way, there is
> little wonder that there is not more confusion!!!! Some people have
> undertaken some very large ideas and then dropped them, some have
> taken on even greater ideas and have been successful with them but
> there are those who both approve and disapprove of both results.
> Some of our citizens talk little and do much. Some do little and
> talk much. A small percentage of our citizens actually work the
> system and most do nothing or very little, but such is the way of
> most volunteer organizations. Our own U.S. Congress is stymied over
> problems and they are given many more tools of government than we
> have or know how to use. Some people know the Constitution by heart
> and understand most of the laws passed in NR. Some have no idea
> what is going on. We are now 12 years old and we have grown too
> fast for what we had to govern by. We have not yet caught up to
> those things which needs to be addressed. Put all that together and
> you have what you see in front of you. What to do??? Well, I
> advise each of you to look a little deeper. Find those whom you
> feel that you can trust and ask your questions, What are your
> interests, where do you go to find like minded citizens?? What do
> you expect to get from Nova Roma?? What are you willing to do for
> Nova Roma?? What can you do to move NR along in skills, knowledge,
> background and time. What problems do you see that you can assist
> with?? My name is Marcus Audens and I am honored to be a Senator
> and past Consular. I am involved in a web list:
>

NewRoman@yahoogroups.com

which will be pleased to answer your questions fully and politely.
This web list was instituted by a gentlman who was dedicated to
answering your questions and is owned and moderated for that purpose.

I hope to see you there and welcome any questions that you may have
about Nova Roma.

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens

>
>
>

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Tribunus Plebis Marcus Octavius Corvus omnibus S.P.D.

Salvete, Citizens of Nova Roma

The auspicia having been taken by Pontifex Maximus et Augur M.
Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and found to be propitious, Consul Quintilianus has called the Senate to order.

The Senate shall be called into session with discussions beginning
from 06.00 hrs. CET on Thursday 25 February, 2763 and with discussions
to continue until 24.00 hrs. CET on Friday 26th February, 2763. A a
recess is called for on February 27th 2763 (for Equirria is dies
nefastus publicus). Discussions are to continue from 06.00 hrs. CET on
Thursday the 28th February, 2763 until 24.00 hrs. CET the 28th of
February. A recess is called for on 1st March (for Matronalia) and on
2 March as it is dies ater.

Voting on the agenda will then begin at 06.00 hrs. CET on Wednesday
3rd of March 2763 and conclude at 16.00 hours CET on Saturday 6th of
March 2763.


For the information of the citizens of Nova Roma, here is a brief outline of the Senate's agenda:

Item I.
Appointment of Governors (a list of candidates will be added later)

Item II.
Decision that from now on each advise in the Senate will be published
as a separate Senatus Consultum to make it easier to look for previous
advises. Further from now on a project to organize old advises as
separate Senateus Consultum will bew set by the Consuls. All our SC
should in the end be searchable.

Valete bene in pace Deorum,

Marcus Octavius Corvus
Tribunus Plebis

Dexter Sullae sal.

> Pot Kettle Black.

A man is known by the company he keeps.

Next!

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Dexter Sullae sal.

> HEheh she learned from Maior. I am afraid to know what else she learned from her.

Please, explain it in your flourish language.

Vale

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Caesar Dextro sal.

That cuts both ways ;}

Optime vale


From: petronius_dexter
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:37 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Sulla proverbs (was Enough is enough!)


Dexter Sullae sal.

> Pot Kettle Black.

A man is known by the company he keeps.

Next!

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.




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That is absolutely true. You are echoing a few recent discussions going on in the Back Alley right now. How appropriate.

Considering we have been discussing the failed extortion attempt by the antipope against Cato and I - that failed miserably.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Dexter Sullae sal.
>
> > Pot Kettle Black.
>
> A man is known by the company he keeps.
>
> Next!
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. VI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

Caesar explained it sufficiently.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Dexter Sullae sal.
>
> > HEheh she learned from Maior. I am afraid to know what else she learned from her.
>
> Please, explain it in your flourish language.
>
> Vale
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. VI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

And, I forgot to add, unlike Messalina, the evidence is available to ANYONE who wishes it, with complete headers and trace information.

I can make sure it's posted here and anywhere else it needs to be. I dont deal with innuendo and conjecture - just with hard facts and evidence.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> That is absolutely true. You are echoing a few recent discussions going on in the Back Alley right now. How appropriate.
>
> Considering we have been discussing the failed extortion attempt by the antipope against Cato and I - that failed miserably.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> > Dexter Sullae sal.
> >
> > > Pot Kettle Black.
> >
> > A man is known by the company he keeps.
> >
> > Next!
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a.d. VI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >
>

Maior Dextro spd;
I've seen enough hot air to buoy the Montgolfier fleet. But notice Cato never answered your question as to what he is doing for the republic.
they do nothing, make nothing, except an uproar on the ML.
vale
Maior

>
> A man is known by the company he keeps.
>
> Next!
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. VI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

Cato Maiori sal.

I notice again how you fail to comprehend written English. Try reading my post again, and you can sound out the words syllable by syllable if necessary. I don't think I used too many big ones, so you should be OK.

I can also tell you what I'm *not* doing:


I'm not lying about past actions.

I'm not lying about past words.

I'm not breaking the law to settle personal animosities.

I'm not dishonoring a magisterial office.

I'm not breaking an oath.

I'm not plotting to fix an election.

I'm not plotting to have a dictatorship proclaimed to clean out any political opposition.

I'm not, in other words, behaving like you have.

Vale,

Cato

P.S. - the Montgolfier brothers only flew one balloon at a time. GEC

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Dextro spd;
> I've seen enough hot air to buoy the Montgolfier fleet. But notice Cato never answered your question as to what he is doing for the republic.
> they do nothing, make nothing, except an uproar on the ML.
> vale
> Maior

And your point is what exactly? The BA is a private list and what goes on there cannot be the basis for taking actions (illegal ones at that) on this list. Do you not comprehend this? In any sane democracy one cannot be locked up for insulting the president or the pope in your own or your friend's home.

Your entire argument is fallacious and this is nothing but a red herring. We all know, as I've already said, that Sulla can use strong and insulting language. I don't think anyone here, including him, as EVER DENIED this. You and your lackeys were asked to provide proof of illegal acts and political bullying, but you are incapable of doing so, and so you rather pull this out. Which really cannot convince anyone of anything pertaining to the issues at hand.

Now, you and your friends can sit back and go on about oh, how terrible is the language of that Sulla! Oooo my, how uncouth! I'm blushing! While you go on to try and subvert the LAW and violate the RIGHTS of Nova Roma's citizens. A little more serious than calling someone a c**t, don't you think, Praetrix? Shame on you.

Cicero

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Here is a fresh sampling of the cesspit that is the BA and its inhabitants.
> This is the true face of those who post here: read it and judge for yourselves
> Maior
>
>
> Re: [BackAlley] My ML post's
> [SULLA on the VIRGO MAXIMA] She is full of sh*t.
>
> I joked about the hot lesbo action HERE on the BA.
>
> Maior forwarded it on the ML. She should be pissed off at Maior for forwarding it.
>
> I was the only one of us who would not stoop to apologizing to the b**ch. She has no qualms calling me a cancer in NR. She deserves the mud that gets thrown back at her. If she can't hang....I think will shed a tear for her...NOT.
>
> Her religious title does not make her immune from mudslinging when she chooses to get into the political arena.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Charlie Collins <oldroman@> wrote:
>
>
> She like Maior continually talks about the accusations that you and Cato are insulting them with sexual and foul language and that proof exists on the ML. They will not provide the proof of such and want us to go look for it. To me they have to provide the actual e-mails in their entirety (not just a quote here and there) to me and others to look at for proof. She said I suffered from "Selective Amnesia" that pissed me off. I'm thin skinned I guess.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hell..Cato that is an insult to cows...cows are at least productive and provide food and milk.
>
> Maior is just a fucking c**t.
>
> VBG> Call me picky if you will but if cows would feel insulted being compared to Maior, how do you think I feel having her compared to a part of my anatomy????
>
> Have to admit though, it's hard to come up with a single word to describe her that doesn't insult someone or something else.
>
> Cheers
> Merula
>
>
> Cato Maiori omnibusque in foro SPD
> > >
> > > I have engaged a lawyer and will pursue this as far as necessary. The
> > > praetors and their staffs are liable under United States law for the abusive
> > > and negligent actions taken against a member of the corporation and a member
> > > of the Board of Directors of the corporation.
> > >
> > > If either of the praetors or any member of their staffs attempts to contact
> > > me privately, either directly or through a third party, it will be
> > > considered further electronic harassment and will be treated as such under
> > > United States law.
> > >
> > > Vale et valete,
> > >
> > > Cato
>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Ciceroni salutem dicit

If you and the rest of your friends in the Back Alley do not see that the
language and demeanor used by Sulla in his written communication towards
other Nova Romans is unacceptable then there is no use for any of us to
engage in any sort of discussion; because, our efforts are futile. His
words and manner are unacceptable and that he continues to do it, and has a
"fan base" is nothing less than tragic.

It is as if you are all proud of Sulla for being foul mouthed and insulting
to other people; you encourage this behavior. That is baffling to me.

Vale;

Modianus

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:34 AM, lucius_cornelius_cicero
<Cicero@...>wrote:

>
>
> And your point is what exactly? The BA is a private list and what goes on
> there cannot be the basis for taking actions (illegal ones at that) on this
> list. Do you not comprehend this? In any sane democracy one cannot be locked
> up for insulting the president or the pope in your own or your friend's
> home.
>
> Your entire argument is fallacious and this is nothing but a red herring.
> We all know, as I've already said, that Sulla can use strong and insulting
> language. I don't think anyone here, including him, as EVER DENIED this. You
> and your lackeys were asked to provide proof of illegal acts and political
> bullying, but you are incapable of doing so, and so you rather pull this
> out. Which really cannot convince anyone of anything pertaining to the
> issues at hand.
>
> Now, you and your friends can sit back and go on about oh, how terrible is
> the language of that Sulla! Oooo my, how uncouth! I'm blushing! While you go
> on to try and subvert the LAW and violate the RIGHTS of Nova Roma's
> citizens. A little more serious than calling someone a c**t, don't you
> think, Praetrix? Shame on you.
>
> Cicero
>

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Gaius Tullius Valerianus Maiori praetrici omnibusque in foro S.P.D.

Salve, praetrix! I am afraid that I concur with Lucius Cornelius Cicero.
Really, I don't see what relevance a discussion on a private list has to do
with your illegal (and vetoed) actions, or how the dislike of Sulla and Cato
absolves you. You claim you want to move on, yet you obsess about the Back
Alley, a list from which you hold the distinct honor of being the only
person ever banned for life, simply because you couldn't follow the rules
there either. Your obsession is unhealthy and counter to the best interests
of the Republic.

Take note, citizens, that I am not condoning the views expressed about the
Virgo Maxima, I merely defend the right of private citizens to express their
personal opinions to one another on a private list, whether or not any of us
agree with those opinions.

Let us all move on to something more productive. Maior praetrix, please, do
not bring up your vendetta against Sulla and Cato again. It ill becomes you
and the dignity of your office. Respectfully, the vast majority of the
citizenry does not care about your private feud, nor do we wish to hear it
any longer.

Valete omnes.

--
"Qua(e) patres difficillime
adepti sunt nolite
turpiter relinquere" -
Monumentum Bradfordis, Tamaropoli, in civitate Massaciuseta
(Bradford Monument, Plymouth, MA)

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That's not the point. The point is you cannot take illegal action against someone for their use of language. It's as simple as that. Even if 100% of us have a problem with what Sulla says on the BA, that doesn't mean that is allowable or ok to gag him on the ML. And that is what this is all about.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Ciceroni salutem dicit
>
> If you and the rest of your friends in the Back Alley do not see that the
> language and demeanor used by Sulla in his written communication towards
> other Nova Romans is unacceptable then there is no use for any of us to
> engage in any sort of discussion; because, our efforts are futile. His
> words and manner are unacceptable and that he continues to do it, and has a
> "fan base" is nothing less than tragic.
>
> It is as if you are all proud of Sulla for being foul mouthed and insulting
> to other people; you encourage this behavior. That is baffling to me.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:34 AM, lucius_cornelius_cicero
> <Cicero@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > And your point is what exactly? The BA is a private list and what goes on
> > there cannot be the basis for taking actions (illegal ones at that) on this
> > list. Do you not comprehend this? In any sane democracy one cannot be locked
> > up for insulting the president or the pope in your own or your friend's
> > home.
> >
> > Your entire argument is fallacious and this is nothing but a red herring.
> > We all know, as I've already said, that Sulla can use strong and insulting
> > language. I don't think anyone here, including him, as EVER DENIED this. You
> > and your lackeys were asked to provide proof of illegal acts and political
> > bullying, but you are incapable of doing so, and so you rather pull this
> > out. Which really cannot convince anyone of anything pertaining to the
> > issues at hand.
> >
> > Now, you and your friends can sit back and go on about oh, how terrible is
> > the language of that Sulla! Oooo my, how uncouth! I'm blushing! While you go
> > on to try and subvert the LAW and violate the RIGHTS of Nova Roma's
> > citizens. A little more serious than calling someone a c**t, don't you
> > think, Praetrix? Shame on you.
> >
> > Cicero
> >
>
>
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>

Cn. Lentulus pontifex Sullae et omnibus sal.


Said either on a public or private list, a Vestal Virgin of Nova Roma is sacred, and in the BA there are more than 50 Nova Roman citizens subscribed, ones are the most active citizens in our political life.

I, in my quality of pontifex, urge everyone to distance themselves from these words of Sulla, and Sulla to deeply apologize publicly from the Vestal.




--- Mer 24/2/10, Colin Brodd <magisterbrodd@...> ha scritto:

Da: Colin Brodd <magisterbrodd@...>
Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fresh from the BA
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Mercoledì 24 febbraio 2010, 11:03







 









Gaius Tullius Valerianus Maiori praetrici omnibusque in foro S.P.D.



Salve, praetrix! I am afraid that I concur with Lucius Cornelius Cicero.

Really, I don't see what relevance a discussion on a private list has to do

with your illegal (and vetoed) actions, or how the dislike of Sulla and Cato

absolves you. You claim you want to move on, yet you obsess about the Back

Alley, a list from which you hold the distinct honor of being the only

person ever banned for life, simply because you couldn't follow the rules

there either. Your obsession is unhealthy and counter to the best interests

of the Republic.



Take note, citizens, that I am not condoning the views expressed about the

Virgo Maxima, I merely defend the right of private citizens to express their

personal opinions to one another on a private list, whether or not any of us

agree with those opinions.



Let us all move on to something more productive. Maior praetrix, please, do

not bring up your vendetta against Sulla and Cato again. It ill becomes you

and the dignity of your office. Respectfully, the vast majority of the

citizenry does not care about your private feud, nor do we wish to hear it

any longer.



Valete omnes.



--

"Qua(e) patres difficillime

adepti sunt nolite

turpiter relinquere" -

Monumentum Bradfordis, Tamaropoli, in civitate Massaciuseta

(Bradford Monument, Plymouth, MA)



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I have been a member of Nova Roma for nearly two years now, but I very seldom post anything. I feel compelled to remark on the most current political hubbub on the main list. To the best of my knowledge, Piscinus moved to announce his candidacy for office on a holy day, and an edict was put fourth to officially announce Piscinus' candidacy. Cato then moved to do the same, and as a result Cato and Sulla were both Moderated on the Main list by Maior.
What, pray tell, does Sulla have to do with any of this? And furthermore, why do I see an exception being made to accommodate Piscinus and not Cato? It certainly doesn't seem very democratic to me, but as I understand it, in ancient Rome it was all about who you know and not about playing by the rules, so perhaps it was an attempt at historical accuracy? I joke of course, but I don't wish to take any weight from a situation that upset me.
I am by no means unbiased in this situation. I find both Cato's and Sulla's posts (admittedly, mostly their posts on the Back Alley) to be amusing, and Maior is the sole reason I generally keep mum. This may be surprising coming from someone who cares very deeply for the Virgo Maxima, as she seems to be lumped into what can best be described as Team Maior, but I tend to favor individuals over factions.
I hear a lot of insults being slung between these two camps,(The Catonians, and Maiorans?) and although I find almost all of it inappropriate (but that is, in fact, the purpose of the Back Alley; to have a place to voice an inappropriate opinion and have a bit of fun) I do want to pipe up on something. I am a feminist, Sulla does not bother me at all. I don't feel offended by his rougher humor, I don't find him to be sexist, I find him funny, and greatly so. Maior, does however make me feel uncomfortable participating in Nova Roma. I fear, essentially, the ramifications of publicly voicing any opinion which is not readily parallel to hers (i.e. being moderated).
This post is mostly to let my personal opinions be heard, but it's also to pose the question if Maior can't justify her decision to moderate Cato and Sulla can we trust in her ability to serve in the office she was elected to? It looked to me like one person allowed their personal opinions of another to affect their judgment in an official matter.
I'm relieved that the decision to moderate Cato and Sulla was vetoed, but also disturbed to hear Maior
imply that she would pursue such an illegal course of action in the future should the opportunity arise.
I support Cato in his decision to prosecute Maior at the end of her term, but what will safe guard the integrity of her office until that time? Shall Sulla and Cato be forced to keep quiet on the Main List to avoid being Moderated at every turn? At the mere thought of their silence my image of Nova Roma darkens. It would be like Hamlet without Polonius, A great deal of drama and insanity with no dry, (only slightly grumpy) comic relief. Not to say Ophelia isn't a worthy, and indeed crucial character, but sometimes the babble must stop long enough to allow one to hear one's own thoughts.
I may not speak up much again, and sink back under my security blanket of anonymity, but I needed to at least speak up on this newest installment of "The Roman and the Restless".
In closing, I did not join Nova Roma to watch the public execution of Cato and Sulla, nor to hear unsavory comments about the Virgo Maxima. I joined because of my love of and interest in Roman culture and history. I get so very little out of Nova Roma. I was so thrilled when I was granted citizenship in 2008, and giddy when my husband (Gaius Tullius Valerianus) was made lictor. Since then I've shared one recipe from Apicius in the Sodalitas Coquorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum. I'd like to see everyone's attention shift back to the study, discussion and appreciation of all that is Roman, but if we can't do that, can we at least leave Cato and Sulla alone until they do something that deserves moderation? Can we at least trust those chosen to protect the law to do just that, and not wield it as a weapon in personal feuds? Is it possible to leave the Virgo Maxima out of it entirely? I happen to be a worshiper of Vesta, and appreciate all she does for the Religio. I was under the impression that we were all here because we love Rome,and want to see the better faces of her culture rise again, let's not make it any more complicated then it has to be.Finally, let's leave the Back Alley on the Back Alley, it's annoying to have to read the same posts on both lists.
Valete Omnes,
Gaia Valeria Pulchra

Absolutely not.

I will only consider it if she apologizes to me, first. She started the animosity between her and I. I will only work to end it with her equal effort to end it.

As I said in the BA. Her religious title does not cloak her and make her immune from the consequences of her own actions. Actions have consequences.

I stand by the epitaph of my namesake - No Better Friend - No Worse Enemy.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Lentulus pontifex Sullae et omnibus sal.
>
>
> Said either on a public or private list, a Vestal Virgin of Nova Roma is sacred, and in the BA there are more than 50 Nova Roman citizens subscribed, ones are the most active citizens in our political life.
>
> I, in my quality of pontifex, urge everyone to distance themselves from these words of Sulla, and Sulla to deeply apologize publicly from the Vestal.
>
>
>
>
> --- Mer 24/2/10, Colin Brodd <magisterbrodd@...> ha scritto:
>
> Da: Colin Brodd <magisterbrodd@...>
> Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fresh from the BA
> A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Data: Mercoledì 24 febbraio 2010, 11:03
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gaius Tullius Valerianus Maiori praetrici omnibusque in foro S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salve, praetrix! I am afraid that I concur with Lucius Cornelius Cicero.
>
> Really, I don't see what relevance a discussion on a private list has to do
>
> with your illegal (and vetoed) actions, or how the dislike of Sulla and Cato
>
> absolves you. You claim you want to move on, yet you obsess about the Back
>
> Alley, a list from which you hold the distinct honor of being the only
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> person ever banned for life, simply because you couldn't follow the rules
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> Let us all move on to something more productive. Maior praetrix, please, do
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> and the dignity of your office. Respectfully, the vast majority of the
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Ave!

Thank you so very much! Your words are very appreciated!!!

And we do try to be funny most of the time. It's just all the good stuff gets to go onto the back alley. The back alley is what the Main List USED to be over a decade ago, when political differences ended at the waters edge.

Please feel free to join the back alley, we all would love to have you there. :)

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Hildur" <angelshavethephonebox@...> wrote:
>
> I have been a member of Nova Roma for nearly two years now, but I very seldom post anything. I feel compelled to remark on the most current political hubbub on the main list. To the best of my knowledge, Piscinus moved to announce his candidacy for office on a holy day, and an edict was put fourth to officially announce Piscinus' candidacy. Cato then moved to do the same, and as a result Cato and Sulla were both Moderated on the Main list by Maior.
> What, pray tell, does Sulla have to do with any of this? And furthermore, why do I see an exception being made to accommodate Piscinus and not Cato? It certainly doesn't seem very democratic to me, but as I understand it, in ancient Rome it was all about who you know and not about playing by the rules, so perhaps it was an attempt at historical accuracy? I joke of course, but I don't wish to take any weight from a situation that upset me.
> I am by no means unbiased in this situation. I find both Cato's and Sulla's posts (admittedly, mostly their posts on the Back Alley) to be amusing, and Maior is the sole reason I generally keep mum. This may be surprising coming from someone who cares very deeply for the Virgo Maxima, as she seems to be lumped into what can best be described as Team Maior, but I tend to favor individuals over factions.
> I hear a lot of insults being slung between these two camps,(The Catonians, and Maiorans?) and although I find almost all of it inappropriate (but that is, in fact, the purpose of the Back Alley; to have a place to voice an inappropriate opinion and have a bit of fun) I do want to pipe up on something. I am a feminist, Sulla does not bother me at all. I don't feel offended by his rougher humor, I don't find him to be sexist, I find him funny, and greatly so. Maior, does however make me feel uncomfortable participating in Nova Roma. I fear, essentially, the ramifications of publicly voicing any opinion which is not readily parallel to hers (i.e. being moderated).
> This post is mostly to let my personal opinions be heard, but it's also to pose the question if Maior can't justify her decision to moderate Cato and Sulla can we trust in her ability to serve in the office she was elected to? It looked to me like one person allowed their personal opinions of another to affect their judgment in an official matter.
> I'm relieved that the decision to moderate Cato and Sulla was vetoed, but also disturbed to hear Maior
> imply that she would pursue such an illegal course of action in the future should the opportunity arise.
> I support Cato in his decision to prosecute Maior at the end of her term, but what will safe guard the integrity of her office until that time? Shall Sulla and Cato be forced to keep quiet on the Main List to avoid being Moderated at every turn? At the mere thought of their silence my image of Nova Roma darkens. It would be like Hamlet without Polonius, A great deal of drama and insanity with no dry, (only slightly grumpy) comic relief. Not to say Ophelia isn't a worthy, and indeed crucial character, but sometimes the babble must stop long enough to allow one to hear one's own thoughts.
> I may not speak up much again, and sink back under my security blanket of anonymity, but I needed to at least speak up on this newest installment of "The Roman and the Restless".
> In closing, I did not join Nova Roma to watch the public execution of Cato and Sulla, nor to hear unsavory comments about the Virgo Maxima. I joined because of my love of and interest in Roman culture and history. I get so very little out of Nova Roma. I was so thrilled when I was granted citizenship in 2008, and giddy when my husband (Gaius Tullius Valerianus) was made lictor. Since then I've shared one recipe from Apicius in the Sodalitas Coquorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum. I'd like to see everyone's attention shift back to the study, discussion and appreciation of all that is Roman, but if we can't do that, can we at least leave Cato and Sulla alone until they do something that deserves moderation? Can we at least trust those chosen to protect the law to do just that, and not wield it as a weapon in personal feuds? Is it possible to leave the Virgo Maxima out of it entirely? I happen to be a worshiper of Vesta, and appreciate all she does for the Religio. I was under the impression that we were all here because we love Rome,and want to see the better faces of her culture rise again, let's not make it any more complicated then it has to be.Finally, let's leave the Back Alley on the Back Alley, it's annoying to have to read the same posts on both lists.
> Valete Omnes,
> Gaia Valeria Pulchra
>

LOL of course YOU of all people wouldn't understand. LOL BIG shock there...LOL!!!!!!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Ciceroni salutem dicit
>
> If you and the rest of your friends in the Back Alley do not see that the
> language and demeanor used by Sulla in his written communication towards
> other Nova Romans is unacceptable then there is no use for any of us to
> engage in any sort of discussion; because, our efforts are futile. His
> words and manner are unacceptable and that he continues to do it, and has a
> "fan base" is nothing less than tragic.
>
> It is as if you are all proud of Sulla for being foul mouthed and insulting
> to other people; you encourage this behavior. That is baffling to me.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:34 AM, lucius_cornelius_cicero
> <Cicero@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > And your point is what exactly? The BA is a private list and what goes on
> > there cannot be the basis for taking actions (illegal ones at that) on this
> > list. Do you not comprehend this? In any sane democracy one cannot be locked
> > up for insulting the president or the pope in your own or your friend's
> > home.
> >
> > Your entire argument is fallacious and this is nothing but a red herring.
> > We all know, as I've already said, that Sulla can use strong and insulting
> > language. I don't think anyone here, including him, as EVER DENIED this. You
> > and your lackeys were asked to provide proof of illegal acts and political
> > bullying, but you are incapable of doing so, and so you rather pull this
> > out. Which really cannot convince anyone of anything pertaining to the
> > issues at hand.
> >
> > Now, you and your friends can sit back and go on about oh, how terrible is
> > the language of that Sulla! Oooo my, how uncouth! I'm blushing! While you go
> > on to try and subvert the LAW and violate the RIGHTS of Nova Roma's
> > citizens. A little more serious than calling someone a c**t, don't you
> > think, Praetrix? Shame on you.
> >
> > Cicero
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Yo Praetor

Does this mean we can...well sort of curse on this list as long as we use the (*) key?

If not, then you or YOUR your invisible colleague should moderate yourself for posting this on the ML.

Hahahahhahaha

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Here is a fresh sampling of the cesspit that is the BA and its inhabitants.
> This is the true face of those who post here: read it and judge for yourselves
> Maior
>
>
> Re: [BackAlley] My ML post's
> [SULLA on the VIRGO MAXIMA] She is full of sh*t.
>
> I joked about the hot lesbo action HERE on the BA.
>
> Maior forwarded it on the ML. She should be pissed off at Maior for forwarding it.
>
> I was the only one of us who would not stoop to apologizing to the b**ch. She has no qualms calling me a cancer in NR. She deserves the mud that gets thrown back at her. If she can't hang....I think will shed a tear for her...NOT.
>
> Her religious title does not make her immune from mudslinging when she chooses to get into the political arena.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Charlie Collins <oldroman@> wrote:
>
>
> She like Maior continually talks about the accusations that you and Cato are insulting them with sexual and foul language and that proof exists on the ML. They will not provide the proof of such and want us to go look for it. To me they have to provide the actual e-mails in their entirety (not just a quote here and there) to me and others to look at for proof. She said I suffered from "Selective Amnesia" that pissed me off. I'm thin skinned I guess.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hell..Cato that is an insult to cows...cows are at least productive and provide food and milk.
>
> Maior is just a fucking c**t.
>
> VBG> Call me picky if you will but if cows would feel insulted being compared to Maior, how do you think I feel having her compared to a part of my anatomy????
>
> Have to admit though, it's hard to come up with a single word to describe her that doesn't insult someone or something else.
>
> Cheers
> Merula
>
>
> Cato Maiori omnibusque in foro SPD
> > >
> > > I have engaged a lawyer and will pursue this as far as necessary. The
> > > praetors and their staffs are liable under United States law for the abusive
> > > and negligent actions taken against a member of the corporation and a member
> > > of the Board of Directors of the corporation.
> > >
> > > If either of the praetors or any member of their staffs attempts to contact
> > > me privately, either directly or through a third party, it will be
> > > considered further electronic harassment and will be treated as such under
> > > United States law.
> > >
> > > Vale et valete,
> > >
> > > Cato
>

Salve.
Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
What about Sulla?
Vale
ACC

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I am Jewish. :)

Cato is Eastern Orthodox

Maior is the kitchen sink (anything and everything - at the same time nothing).

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@...> wrote:
>
> Salve.
> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
> What about Sulla?
> Vale
> ACC
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve Pulchra;

Brava!

Very nicely written.

I too get very tired of the Unromanitas and Undignitas in constant
display by those who pretend to Romanitas and Dignitas.

Vale - Venator

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae salutem dicit

The "kitchen sink?" What is that supposed to mean? Marca Hortensia Maior
is a woman with strong convictions who is dedicated to her faith tradition.
Hurdling invective at her such as you do accomplishes what?

Vale;

Modianus

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

>
>
> I am Jewish. :)
>
> Cato is Eastern Orthodox
>
> Maior is the kitchen sink (anything and everything - at the same time
> nothing).
>


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Caesar Modiano sal.

At a guess I think it means that her beliefs are a "catch all" - like a kitchen sink.

Optime vale.



From: David Kling
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:32 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Enough is Enough -


Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae salutem dicit

The "kitchen sink?" What is that supposed to mean? Marca Hortensia Maior


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Someone's beliefs are personal and often very important to them.
Insulting words are unnecessary.

Valete:

Modianus

On 2/24/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
> Caesar Modiano sal.
>
> At a guess I think it means that her beliefs are a "catch all" - like a
> kitchen sink.
>
> Optime vale.
>
>
>
> From: David Kling
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:32 AM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Enough is Enough -
>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae salutem dicit
>
> The "kitchen sink?" What is that supposed to mean? Marca Hortensia Maior
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

--
Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com

One reaps what one sows.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> Someone's beliefs are personal and often very important to them.
> Insulting words are unnecessary.
>
> Valete:
>
> Modianus
>
>
>
> On 2/24/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
> > Caesar Modiano sal.
> >
> > At a guess I think it means that her beliefs are a "catch all" - like a
> > kitchen sink.
> >
> > Optime vale.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: David Kling
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:32 AM
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Enough is Enough -
> >
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae salutem dicit
> >
> > The "kitchen sink?" What is that supposed to mean? Marca Hortensia Maior
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>

Dexter Sullae sal.,

> That is absolutely true. You are echoing a few recent discussions going on in the Back Alley right now. How appropriate.

As you can notice, no need to be on the BA list to devine your discussions...

> Considering we have been discussing the failed extortion attempt by the antipope against Cato and I - that failed miserably.

I suppose that you call antipope the Nova Roma's Pontifex Maximus.

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

So that gives you justification to insult another person? Why would
you want to do that?

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 2/24/10, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
> One reaps what one sows.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>>
>> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>>
>> Someone's beliefs are personal and often very important to them.
>> Insulting words are unnecessary.
>>
>> Valete:
>>
>> Modianus
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/24/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>> > Caesar Modiano sal.
>> >
>> > At a guess I think it means that her beliefs are a "catch all" - like a
>> > kitchen sink.
>> >
>> > Optime vale.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: David Kling
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:32 AM
>> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Enough is Enough -
>> >
>> >
>> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae salutem dicit
>> >
>> > The "kitchen sink?" What is that supposed to mean? Marca Hortensia
>> > Maior
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>>
>
>
>

--
Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com

Cato Modiano sal.

If you and the rest of "those who matter" do not see that the
abuse of authority and violation of our Constitution by Maior against
other Nova Romans is unacceptable then there is no use for any of us to engage in any sort of discussion because our efforts are futile. Her abuses and manner are unacceptable and that she continues to do it, and has already declared that she would continue to do so if she "had [her] way" - in spite of being corrected by the consul - is nothing less than tragic.

It is as if you are all proud of Maior for being abusive and ignorant of our law and of our rights as citizens; you encourage this behavior. *That* is baffling to *me*.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Ciceroni salutem dicit
>
> If you and the rest of your friends in the Back Alley do not see that the
> language and demeanor used by Sulla in his written communication towards
> other Nova Romans is unacceptable then there is no use for any of us to
> engage in any sort of discussion; because, our efforts are futile. His
> words and manner are unacceptable and that he continues to do it, and has a
> "fan base" is nothing less than tragic.
>
> It is as if you are all proud of Sulla for being foul mouthed and insulting
> to other people; you encourage this behavior. That is baffling to me.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:34 AM, lucius_cornelius_cicero
> <Cicero@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > And your point is what exactly? The BA is a private list and what goes on
> > there cannot be the basis for taking actions (illegal ones at that) on this
> > list. Do you not comprehend this? In any sane democracy one cannot be locked
> > up for insulting the president or the pope in your own or your friend's
> > home.
> >
> > Your entire argument is fallacious and this is nothing but a red herring.
> > We all know, as I've already said, that Sulla can use strong and insulting
> > language. I don't think anyone here, including him, as EVER DENIED this. You
> > and your lackeys were asked to provide proof of illegal acts and political
> > bullying, but you are incapable of doing so, and so you rather pull this
> > out. Which really cannot convince anyone of anything pertaining to the
> > issues at hand.
> >
> > Now, you and your friends can sit back and go on about oh, how terrible is
> > the language of that Sulla! Oooo my, how uncouth! I'm blushing! While you go
> > on to try and subvert the LAW and violate the RIGHTS of Nova Roma's
> > citizens. A little more serious than calling someone a c**t, don't you
> > think, Praetrix? Shame on you.
> >
> > Cicero
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Cato ACC sal.

I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as she changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win popularity points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish and is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects Judaism as a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.

This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any ill-perceived or malicious attempt to link the two together.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@...> wrote:
>
> Salve.
> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
> What about Sulla?
> Vale
> ACC
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Why do you do that as well?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> So that gives you justification to insult another person? Why would
> you want to do that?
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
>
>
> On 2/24/10, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
> > One reaps what one sows.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
> >>
> >> Someone's beliefs are personal and often very important to them.
> >> Insulting words are unnecessary.
> >>
> >> Valete:
> >>
> >> Modianus
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/24/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@> wrote:
> >> > Caesar Modiano sal.
> >> >
> >> > At a guess I think it means that her beliefs are a "catch all" - like a
> >> > kitchen sink.
> >> >
> >> > Optime vale.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: David Kling
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:32 AM
> >> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Enough is Enough -
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae salutem dicit
> >> >
> >> > The "kitchen sink?" What is that supposed to mean? Marca Hortensia
> >> > Maior
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>

Cato, he is proud that she is just carrying on the tradition of flouting the law for fulfillment of a personal vendetta. Something that his reputation was built upon.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Modiano sal.
>
> If you and the rest of "those who matter" do not see that the
> abuse of authority and violation of our Constitution by Maior against
> other Nova Romans is unacceptable then there is no use for any of us to engage in any sort of discussion because our efforts are futile. Her abuses and manner are unacceptable and that she continues to do it, and has already declared that she would continue to do so if she "had [her] way" - in spite of being corrected by the consul - is nothing less than tragic.
>
> It is as if you are all proud of Maior for being abusive and ignorant of our law and of our rights as citizens; you encourage this behavior. *That* is baffling to *me*.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Ciceroni salutem dicit
> >
> > If you and the rest of your friends in the Back Alley do not see that the
> > language and demeanor used by Sulla in his written communication towards
> > other Nova Romans is unacceptable then there is no use for any of us to
> > engage in any sort of discussion; because, our efforts are futile. His
> > words and manner are unacceptable and that he continues to do it, and has a
> > "fan base" is nothing less than tragic.
> >
> > It is as if you are all proud of Sulla for being foul mouthed and insulting
> > to other people; you encourage this behavior. That is baffling to me.
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:34 AM, lucius_cornelius_cicero
> > <Cicero@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > And your point is what exactly? The BA is a private list and what goes on
> > > there cannot be the basis for taking actions (illegal ones at that) on this
> > > list. Do you not comprehend this? In any sane democracy one cannot be locked
> > > up for insulting the president or the pope in your own or your friend's
> > > home.
> > >
> > > Your entire argument is fallacious and this is nothing but a red herring.
> > > We all know, as I've already said, that Sulla can use strong and insulting
> > > language. I don't think anyone here, including him, as EVER DENIED this. You
> > > and your lackeys were asked to provide proof of illegal acts and political
> > > bullying, but you are incapable of doing so, and so you rather pull this
> > > out. Which really cannot convince anyone of anything pertaining to the
> > > issues at hand.
> > >
> > > Now, you and your friends can sit back and go on about oh, how terrible is
> > > the language of that Sulla! Oooo my, how uncouth! I'm blushing! While you go
> > > on to try and subvert the LAW and violate the RIGHTS of Nova Roma's
> > > citizens. A little more serious than calling someone a c**t, don't you
> > > think, Praetrix? Shame on you.
> > >
> > > Cicero
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Cato:

Then why bring it up now? Why must you and Sulla insult Marca
Hortensia via her religigious beliefs?

Modianus

On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> Cato ACC sal.
>
> I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as she
> changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win popularity
> points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish and
> is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects Judaism as
> a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.
>
> This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a
> magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any ill-perceived
> or malicious attempt to link the two together.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Salve.
>> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
>> What about Sulla?
>> Vale
>> ACC
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>

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If you know the answers then why are you asking the questions?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Dexter Sullae sal.,
>
> > That is absolutely true. You are echoing a few recent discussions going on in the Back Alley right now. How appropriate.
>
> As you can notice, no need to be on the BA list to devine your discussions...
>
> > Considering we have been discussing the failed extortion attempt by the antipope against Cato and I - that failed miserably.
>
> I suppose that you call antipope the Nova Roma's Pontifex Maximus.
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. VI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

The truth is no insult. The truth is the truth. If you find it an insult maybe it reflects your own beliefs?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Cato:
>
> Then why bring it up now? Why must you and Sulla insult Marca
> Hortensia via her religigious beliefs?
>
> Modianus
>
>
>
> On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> > Cato ACC sal.
> >
> > I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as she
> > changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win popularity
> > points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish and
> > is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects Judaism as
> > a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.
> >
> > This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a
> > magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any ill-perceived
> > or malicious attempt to link the two together.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Salve.
> >> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
> >> What about Sulla?
> >> Vale
> >> ACC
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>

You are obfuscating away from the behavior displayed by Sulla. Maior
aside do you *really* believe his behavior is acceptable?

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> Cato Modiano sal.
>
> If you and the rest of "those who matter" do not see that the
> abuse of authority and violation of our Constitution by Maior against
> other Nova Romans is unacceptable then there is no use for any of us to
> engage in any sort of discussion because our efforts are futile. Her abuses
> and manner are unacceptable and that she continues to do it, and has already
> declared that she would continue to do so if she "had [her] way" - in spite
> of being corrected by the consul - is nothing less than tragic.
>
> It is as if you are all proud of Maior for being abusive and ignorant of our
> law and of our rights as citizens; you encourage this behavior. *That* is
> baffling to *me*.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>>
>> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Ciceroni salutem dicit
>>
>> If you and the rest of your friends in the Back Alley do not see that the
>> language and demeanor used by Sulla in his written communication towards
>> other Nova Romans is unacceptable then there is no use for any of us to
>> engage in any sort of discussion; because, our efforts are futile. His
>> words and manner are unacceptable and that he continues to do it, and has
>> a
>> "fan base" is nothing less than tragic.
>>
>> It is as if you are all proud of Sulla for being foul mouthed and
>> insulting
>> to other people; you encourage this behavior. That is baffling to me.
>>
>> Vale;
>>
>> Modianus
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:34 AM, lucius_cornelius_cicero
>> <Cicero@...>wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > And your point is what exactly? The BA is a private list and what goes
>> > on
>> > there cannot be the basis for taking actions (illegal ones at that) on
>> > this
>> > list. Do you not comprehend this? In any sane democracy one cannot be
>> > locked
>> > up for insulting the president or the pope in your own or your friend's
>> > home.
>> >
>> > Your entire argument is fallacious and this is nothing but a red
>> > herring.
>> > We all know, as I've already said, that Sulla can use strong and
>> > insulting
>> > language. I don't think anyone here, including him, as EVER DENIED this.
>> > You
>> > and your lackeys were asked to provide proof of illegal acts and
>> > political
>> > bullying, but you are incapable of doing so, and so you rather pull this
>> > out. Which really cannot convince anyone of anything pertaining to the
>> > issues at hand.
>> >
>> > Now, you and your friends can sit back and go on about oh, how terrible
>> > is
>> > the language of that Sulla! Oooo my, how uncouth! I'm blushing! While
>> > you go
>> > on to try and subvert the LAW and violate the RIGHTS of Nova Roma's
>> > citizens. A little more serious than calling someone a c**t, don't you
>> > think, Praetrix? Shame on you.
>> >
>> > Cicero
>> >
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>

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Cato Modiano sal.

I'm not making fun of them. I don't know what they really are and she is constantly announcing that maybe she's a Buddho-Pythagorean Stoic or a Shinto-Jainist Epicurean or whatever she happens to find interesting at the moment. That's a fact, and I can dredge up any number of posts in which she adjusts her theologies.

I did make a long, pointed criticism of her methodolgy regarding religious belief some months ago - and I believe my criticism to be accurate still - but I also made it quite clear that she - and anyone for that matter - is entirely free to believe whatever they want. She has certainly not shown the same respect to my private cult.

Don't try to tag the issue of her magisterial abuse to this, as you seem to be attempting.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Cato:
>
> Then why bring it up now? Why must you and Sulla insult Marca
> Hortensia via her religigious beliefs?
>
> Modianus
>
>
>
> On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> > Cato ACC sal.
> >
> > I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as she
> > changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win popularity
> > points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish and
> > is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects Judaism as
> > a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.
> >
> > This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a
> > magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any ill-perceived
> > or malicious attempt to link the two together.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Salve.
> >> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
> >> What about Sulla?
> >> Vale
> >> ACC
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>

Caesar Modiano sal.

His behavior where? On the Back Alley? Surely that is outside of Nova Roma's control and therefore not relevant?

Optime vale


From: David Kling
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:21 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fresh from the BA


You are obfuscating away from the behavior displayed by Sulla. Maior
aside do you *really* believe his behavior is acceptable?

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Caesar Modiano sal.

Well I would have to trawl through the Religio list, the Main List, the Senate list to provide post numbers but I have a distinct recollection of Maior behaving in the same way over Cato's beliefs and how he balanced the requirements of his faith with being part of pagan Nova Roma, how dutiful a son of the church he was, her attacks on Sulla's right to consider himself a Jew, his observance of his faith, branching out into some pretty tacky and slimy observations about our Christian co-citizens' faith in general. I don't recall any public statements by you in the middle of some pretty foul behavior by her to rein her in or admonish her.

Well of course there weren't any for after all this puzzlement, head-scratching and high moral platform you have taken is just more grandstanding in the forum to try to elicit a sympathetic response, having glossed over the fact that Maior does exactly the same thing.

So why if she does this would you need to ask Cato or Sulla this? Sulla takes no prisoners. Maior takes no prisoners. It is diamond cut diamond. Fire to fire. However you know all this don't you? :} If we were 'live" in our own forum you would no doubt be giving a stunning performance of mock surprise, shock, horrors, gasps and hands thrown pleadingly to the sky.

Bravo - excellent performance :}

Optime vale.


From: David Kling
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:19 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Enough is Enough -


Cato:

Then why bring it up now? Why must you and Sulla insult Marca
Hortensia via her religigious beliefs?

Modianus

On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> Cato ACC sal.
>
> I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as she
> changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win popularity
> points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish and
> is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects Judaism as
> a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.
>
> This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a
> magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any ill-perceived
> or malicious attempt to link the two together.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Salve.
>> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
>> What about Sulla?
>> Vale
>> ACC
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>

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Cato Modiano sal.

There is no "Maior aside" here, Modianus; it's her behavior in abusing her authority because she dislikes me - and her declared intent to continue to do so - that is the central issue here. Nothing else. You can't throw a lit match onto a pile of gasoline and then act all offended when the flames burn you.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> You are obfuscating away from the behavior displayed by Sulla. Maior
> aside do you *really* believe his behavior is acceptable?
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
>
>
> On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> > Cato Modiano sal.
> >
> > If you and the rest of "those who matter" do not see that the
> > abuse of authority and violation of our Constitution by Maior against
> > other Nova Romans is unacceptable then there is no use for any of us to
> > engage in any sort of discussion because our efforts are futile. Her abuses
> > and manner are unacceptable and that she continues to do it, and has already
> > declared that she would continue to do so if she "had [her] way" - in spite
> > of being corrected by the consul - is nothing less than tragic.
> >
> > It is as if you are all proud of Maior for being abusive and ignorant of our
> > law and of our rights as citizens; you encourage this behavior. *That* is
> > baffling to *me*.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Ciceroni salutem dicit
> >>
> >> If you and the rest of your friends in the Back Alley do not see that the
> >> language and demeanor used by Sulla in his written communication towards
> >> other Nova Romans is unacceptable then there is no use for any of us to
> >> engage in any sort of discussion; because, our efforts are futile. His
> >> words and manner are unacceptable and that he continues to do it, and has
> >> a
> >> "fan base" is nothing less than tragic.
> >>
> >> It is as if you are all proud of Sulla for being foul mouthed and
> >> insulting
> >> to other people; you encourage this behavior. That is baffling to me.
> >>
> >> Vale;
> >>
> >> Modianus
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:34 AM, lucius_cornelius_cicero
> >> <Cicero@>wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > And your point is what exactly? The BA is a private list and what goes
> >> > on
> >> > there cannot be the basis for taking actions (illegal ones at that) on
> >> > this
> >> > list. Do you not comprehend this? In any sane democracy one cannot be
> >> > locked
> >> > up for insulting the president or the pope in your own or your friend's
> >> > home.
> >> >
> >> > Your entire argument is fallacious and this is nothing but a red
> >> > herring.
> >> > We all know, as I've already said, that Sulla can use strong and
> >> > insulting
> >> > language. I don't think anyone here, including him, as EVER DENIED this.
> >> > You
> >> > and your lackeys were asked to provide proof of illegal acts and
> >> > political
> >> > bullying, but you are incapable of doing so, and so you rather pull this
> >> > out. Which really cannot convince anyone of anything pertaining to the
> >> > issues at hand.
> >> >
> >> > Now, you and your friends can sit back and go on about oh, how terrible
> >> > is
> >> > the language of that Sulla! Oooo my, how uncouth! I'm blushing! While
> >> > you go
> >> > on to try and subvert the LAW and violate the RIGHTS of Nova Roma's
> >> > citizens. A little more serious than calling someone a c**t, don't you
> >> > think, Praetrix? Shame on you.
> >> >
> >> > Cicero
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>

So insulting Maior's belief system is how you stand up for truth? Really?

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 2/24/10, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
> The truth is no insult. The truth is the truth. If you find it an insult
> maybe it reflects your own beliefs?
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>>
>> Cato:
>>
>> Then why bring it up now? Why must you and Sulla insult Marca
>> Hortensia via her religigious beliefs?
>>
>> Modianus
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>> > Cato ACC sal.
>> >
>> > I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as
>> > she
>> > changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win
>> > popularity
>> > points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish
>> > and
>> > is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects
>> > Judaism as
>> > a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.
>> >
>> > This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a
>> > magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any
>> > ill-perceived
>> > or malicious attempt to link the two together.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> >
>> > Cato
>> >
>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Salve.
>> >> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
>> >> What about Sulla?
>> >> Vale
>> >> ACC
>> >>
>> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>>
>
>
>

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Salve.
Sulla and Maior would be semitic and Cato is christian.
Are Sulla and Maior religious? Is Cato catholic?
Vale
ACCicero

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dexter Sullae sal.,

> If you know the answers then why are you asking the questions?

I do not know the answer. I ask you more, is it antipope a Pontifex Maximus in general or is it antipope the current Pontifex Maximus?

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

If it is the truth, then it is not an insult. The truth is simply the truth. No more no less. If Maior or you find it an insult maybe you (or her) should contemplate some deeper reflection.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> So insulting Maior's belief system is how you stand up for truth? Really?
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
>
>
> On 2/24/10, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
> > The truth is no insult. The truth is the truth. If you find it an insult
> > maybe it reflects your own beliefs?
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Cato:
> >>
> >> Then why bring it up now? Why must you and Sulla insult Marca
> >> Hortensia via her religigious beliefs?
> >>
> >> Modianus
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >> > Cato ACC sal.
> >> >
> >> > I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as
> >> > she
> >> > changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win
> >> > popularity
> >> > points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish
> >> > and
> >> > is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects
> >> > Judaism as
> >> > a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.
> >> >
> >> > This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a
> >> > magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any
> >> > ill-perceived
> >> > or malicious attempt to link the two together.
> >> >
> >> > Vale,
> >> >
> >> > Cato
> >> >
> >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Salve.
> >> >> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
> >> >> What about Sulla?
> >> >> Vale
> >> >> ACC
> >> >>
> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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>

Practicing - yes.

As a matter of fact a few of us are already planning another trip to Israel in Sept 2011 - to be there during the high holidays! :) Since my aaliyah has been temporarily put on hiatus.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@...> wrote:
>
> Salve.
> Sulla and Maior would be semitic and Cato is christian.
> Are Sulla and Maior religious? Is Cato catholic?
> Vale
> ACCicero
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

It seems Modianus has either taught or learned from Maior in the art of deflecting the issue.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Modiano sal.
>
> I'm not making fun of them. I don't know what they really are and she is constantly announcing that maybe she's a Buddho-Pythagorean Stoic or a Shinto-Jainist Epicurean or whatever she happens to find interesting at the moment. That's a fact, and I can dredge up any number of posts in which she adjusts her theologies.
>
> I did make a long, pointed criticism of her methodolgy regarding religious belief some months ago - and I believe my criticism to be accurate still - but I also made it quite clear that she - and anyone for that matter - is entirely free to believe whatever they want. She has certainly not shown the same respect to my private cult.
>
> Don't try to tag the issue of her magisterial abuse to this, as you seem to be attempting.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato:
> >
> > Then why bring it up now? Why must you and Sulla insult Marca
> > Hortensia via her religigious beliefs?
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > Cato ACC sal.
> > >
> > > I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as she
> > > changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win popularity
> > > points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish and
> > > is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects Judaism as
> > > a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.
> > >
> > > This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a
> > > magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any ill-perceived
> > > or malicious attempt to link the two together.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Salve.
> > >> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
> > >> What about Sulla?
> > >> Vale
> > >> ACC
> > >>
> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> >
>

Are you referring to the failed extortionist who tried to extort two members of the Board of Directors of Nova Roma?

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Dexter Sullae sal.,
>
> > If you know the answers then why are you asking the questions?
>
> I do not know the answer. I ask you more, is it antipope a Pontifex Maximus in general or is it antipope the current Pontifex Maximus?
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. VI Kalendas Martias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

Salve Modiane;
and thank you for standing up for me. The BA crowd, Sulla, Cato will curse, abuse, attack, obfuscate. They are the worst kind of bullies. Many people have left over the years from their unrelenting abuse. I know how horrible they were to you in the BA. But you have true Roman character and perseverance.

I've had them post obscene comics of me in the BA, now they ridicule my beliefs in the di immortales.

I ask all cultores to reject these hater of the gods! who want to bring down Nova Roma.
Iuppiter protect us!
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> So insulting Maior's belief system is how you stand up for truth? Really?
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
>
>
> On 2/24/10, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
> > The truth is no insult. The truth is the truth. If you find it an insult
> > maybe it reflects your own beliefs?
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Cato:
> >>
> >> Then why bring it up now? Why must you and Sulla insult Marca
> >> Hortensia via her religigious beliefs?
> >>
> >> Modianus
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >> > Cato ACC sal.
> >> >
> >> > I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as
> >> > she
> >> > changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win
> >> > popularity
> >> > points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish
> >> > and
> >> > is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects
> >> > Judaism as
> >> > a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.
> >> >
> >> > This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a
> >> > magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any
> >> > ill-perceived
> >> > or malicious attempt to link the two together.
> >> >
> >> > Vale,
> >> >
> >> > Cato
> >> >
> >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Salve.
> >> >> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
> >> >> What about Sulla?
> >> >> Vale
> >> >> ACC
> >> >>
> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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> >
> >
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Stoop.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Modiane;
> and thank you for standing up for me. The BA crowd, Sulla, Cato will curse, abuse, attack, obfuscate. They are the worst kind of bullies. Many people have left over the years from their unrelenting abuse. I know how horrible they were to you in the BA. But you have true Roman character and perseverance.
>
> I've had them post obscene comics of me in the BA, now they ridicule my beliefs in the di immortales.
>
> I ask all cultores to reject these hater of the gods! who want to bring down Nova Roma.
> Iuppiter protect us!
> vale
> Maior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > So insulting Maior's belief system is how you stand up for truth? Really?
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/24/10, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> > > The truth is no insult. The truth is the truth. If you find it an insult
> > > maybe it reflects your own beliefs?
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Cato:
> > >>
> > >> Then why bring it up now? Why must you and Sulla insult Marca
> > >> Hortensia via her religigious beliefs?
> > >>
> > >> Modianus
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > >> > Cato ACC sal.
> > >> >
> > >> > I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as
> > >> > she
> > >> > changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win
> > >> > popularity
> > >> > points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish
> > >> > and
> > >> > is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects
> > >> > Judaism as
> > >> > a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.
> > >> >
> > >> > This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a
> > >> > magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any
> > >> > ill-perceived
> > >> > or malicious attempt to link the two together.
> > >> >
> > >> > Vale,
> > >> >
> > >> > Cato
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Salve.
> > >> >> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
> > >> >> What about Sulla?
> > >> >> Vale
> > >> >> ACC
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> >
>

LOL she thinks she is one of the gods...hearing how she talks. How much low self esteem does one need to have to actually need to inflate their self importance on an email list? Pitiful...just pitiful.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_cornelius_cicero" <Cicero@...> wrote:
>
> Stoop.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Modiane;
> > and thank you for standing up for me. The BA crowd, Sulla, Cato will curse, abuse, attack, obfuscate. They are the worst kind of bullies. Many people have left over the years from their unrelenting abuse. I know how horrible they were to you in the BA. But you have true Roman character and perseverance.
> >
> > I've had them post obscene comics of me in the BA, now they ridicule my beliefs in the di immortales.
> >
> > I ask all cultores to reject these hater of the gods! who want to bring down Nova Roma.
> > Iuppiter protect us!
> > vale
> > Maior
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So insulting Maior's belief system is how you stand up for truth? Really?
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/24/10, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> > > > The truth is no insult. The truth is the truth. If you find it an insult
> > > > maybe it reflects your own beliefs?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Cato:
> > > >>
> > > >> Then why bring it up now? Why must you and Sulla insult Marca
> > > >> Hortensia via her religigious beliefs?
> > > >>
> > > >> Modianus
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > >> > Cato ACC sal.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as
> > > >> > she
> > > >> > changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win
> > > >> > popularity
> > > >> > points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects
> > > >> > Judaism as
> > > >> > a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a
> > > >> > magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any
> > > >> > ill-perceived
> > > >> > or malicious attempt to link the two together.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Vale,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Cato
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Salve.
> > > >> >> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
> > > >> >> What about Sulla?
> > > >> >> Vale
> > > >> >> ACC
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> > >
> >
>

Is there no low you will not steep to? Shame on you.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Modiane;
> and thank you for standing up for me. The BA crowd, Sulla, Cato will curse, abuse, attack, obfuscate. They are the worst kind of bullies. Many people have left over the years from their unrelenting abuse. I know how horrible they were to you in the BA. But you have true Roman character and perseverance.
>
> I've had them post obscene comics of me in the BA, now they ridicule my beliefs in the di immortales.
>
> I ask all cultores to reject these hater of the gods! who want to bring down Nova Roma.
> Iuppiter protect us!
> vale
> Maior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > So insulting Maior's belief system is how you stand up for truth? Really?
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/24/10, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> > > The truth is no insult. The truth is the truth. If you find it an insult
> > > maybe it reflects your own beliefs?
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Cato:
> > >>
> > >> Then why bring it up now? Why must you and Sulla insult Marca
> > >> Hortensia via her religigious beliefs?
> > >>
> > >> Modianus
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > >> > Cato ACC sal.
> > >> >
> > >> > I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as
> > >> > she
> > >> > changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win
> > >> > popularity
> > >> > points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish
> > >> > and
> > >> > is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects
> > >> > Judaism as
> > >> > a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.
> > >> >
> > >> > This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a
> > >> > magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any
> > >> > ill-perceived
> > >> > or malicious attempt to link the two together.
> > >> >
> > >> > Vale,
> > >> >
> > >> > Cato
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Salve.
> > >> >> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
> > >> >> What about Sulla?
> > >> >> Vale
> > >> >> ACC
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> >
>

This really deserves a longer response, so here goes.

Who are you to label people on the BA haters of the gods? How dare you misuse your political and religious offices to do something like this, call people enemies of the gods, some of them some of the people who work day and night to advance the cultus deorum?

You are the worst sort of scum.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Modiane;
> and thank you for standing up for me. The BA crowd, Sulla, Cato will curse, abuse, attack, obfuscate. They are the worst kind of bullies. Many people have left over the years from their unrelenting abuse. I know how horrible they were to you in the BA. But you have true Roman character and perseverance.
>
> I've had them post obscene comics of me in the BA, now they ridicule my beliefs in the di immortales.
>
> I ask all cultores to reject these hater of the gods! who want to bring down Nova Roma.
> Iuppiter protect us!
> vale
> Maior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > So insulting Maior's belief system is how you stand up for truth? Really?
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/24/10, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> > > The truth is no insult. The truth is the truth. If you find it an insult
> > > maybe it reflects your own beliefs?
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Cato:
> > >>
> > >> Then why bring it up now? Why must you and Sulla insult Marca
> > >> Hortensia via her religigious beliefs?
> > >>
> > >> Modianus
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > >> > Cato ACC sal.
> > >> >
> > >> > I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as
> > >> > she
> > >> > changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win
> > >> > popularity
> > >> > points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish
> > >> > and
> > >> > is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects
> > >> > Judaism as
> > >> > a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.
> > >> >
> > >> > This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a
> > >> > magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any
> > >> > ill-perceived
> > >> > or malicious attempt to link the two together.
> > >> >
> > >> > Vale,
> > >> >
> > >> > Cato
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Salve.
> > >> >> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
> > >> >> What about Sulla?
> > >> >> Vale
> > >> >> ACC
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> >
>

It is what she has always done, what her allies condone, and what the antipope uses as a tool at his discretion.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_cornelius_cicero" <Cicero@...> wrote:
>
> This really deserves a longer response, so here goes.
>
> Who are you to label people on the BA haters of the gods? How dare you misuse your political and religious offices to do something like this, call people enemies of the gods, some of them some of the people who work day and night to advance the cultus deorum?
>
> You are the worst sort of scum.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Modiane;
> > and thank you for standing up for me. The BA crowd, Sulla, Cato will curse, abuse, attack, obfuscate. They are the worst kind of bullies. Many people have left over the years from their unrelenting abuse. I know how horrible they were to you in the BA. But you have true Roman character and perseverance.
> >
> > I've had them post obscene comics of me in the BA, now they ridicule my beliefs in the di immortales.
> >
> > I ask all cultores to reject these hater of the gods! who want to bring down Nova Roma.
> > Iuppiter protect us!
> > vale
> > Maior
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So insulting Maior's belief system is how you stand up for truth? Really?
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/24/10, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> > > > The truth is no insult. The truth is the truth. If you find it an insult
> > > > maybe it reflects your own beliefs?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Cato:
> > > >>
> > > >> Then why bring it up now? Why must you and Sulla insult Marca
> > > >> Hortensia via her religigious beliefs?
> > > >>
> > > >> Modianus
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 2/24/10, Cato <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > >> > Cato ACC sal.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I am a practicing Christian, yes. Maior is ... I'm not sure exactly, as
> > > >> > she
> > > >> > changes it to suit whomever she is speaking to or trying to win
> > > >> > popularity
> > > >> > points with, but has made it quite clear that although ethnically Jewish
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > is (quite rightly) proud of that heritage, she absolutely rejects
> > > >> > Judaism as
> > > >> > a religious belief system as a monotheistic abomination.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > This of course has nothing whatsoever to do with her abuse of power as a
> > > >> > magistrate, and I will have nothing more to say regarding any
> > > >> > ill-perceived
> > > >> > or malicious attempt to link the two together.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Vale,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Cato
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Salve.
> > > >> >> Is Cato christian? Is Maior jew?
> > > >> >> What about Sulla?
> > > >> >> Vale
> > > >> >> ACC
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> > >
> >
>

Salve Cicero.

Why be surprised that Maior has taken it upon herself to judge the personal faith and dedication of people to the Gods? Her ego is expanding at a rate matched only by the increase in her vitriol. The difference is she vents that vitriol on the Main List under the protection of her own office, a disgraceful abuse of position but then again who seriously expects her to moderate herself? There is no necessity for her to mount these pleadings for protection, given that this entire situation has been manufactured by her, assisted by her friends, except that it is excellent propaganda. These pitiful pleas to defend the respublica are a cynical appeal to a sound byte opportunity.

The only person currently likely to bring Nova Roma down is Maior. After all she backed the proposed dictatorship plan according to ex-citizen Regulus, a plan that intended to execute politically based purges. Maior will be the doom of Nova Roma, not Sulla or Cato, because she is likely to launch it into some ridiculous confrontation, which given the recent track record of those "in power" will be likely horribly mismanaged and bungled.

Vale bene
Caesar


From: lucius_cornelius_cicero
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:04 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Enough is Enough -


This really deserves a longer response, so here goes.

Who are you to label people on the BA haters of the gods? How dare you misuse your political and religious offices to do something like this, call people enemies of the gods, some of them some of the people who work day and night to advance the cultus deorum?

You are the worst sort of scum.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Why do you insist on referring to Piscinus as antipope?

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

>
>
> It is what she has always done, what her allies condone, and what the
> antipope uses as a tool at his discretion.
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I explained that already to Piscinus. It refers to his occupation of the PM's chair instead of Cassius. Antipope has a cleaner ringer to it than antipontifexmaximus.

Now don't tell me you you all thought it was a reference to the Christian pope versus the NR PM <lol>?

Caesar


From: David Kling
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:16 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Enough is Enough -


Why do you insist on referring to Piscinus as antipope?

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Robert <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

>
>
> It is what she has always done, what her allies condone, and what the
> antipope uses as a tool at his discretion.
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>


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In other words it's a childish ploy to ridicule Piscinus?

And you and your crowd talk about respect for the law? Marcus Cassius
Julianus was removed as Pontifex Maximus by his peers.

You all need to get over yourself.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <
gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

>
>
> I explained that already to Piscinus. It refers to his occupation of the
> PM's chair instead of Cassius. Antipope has a cleaner ringer to it than
> antipontifexmaximus.
>
> Now don't tell me you you all thought it was a reference to the Christian
> pope versus the NR PM <lol>?
>
> Caesar
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Caesar Modiano sal.

You mean childish like Maior and others in her troupe who use ridicule? You yourself have used ridicule, so do you condemn yourself? Of course not - I am sure you will justify it somehow - let me guess "in defense of the republic"?. How come it is one set of rules for some of us and a free ticket to ride for the rest of you abusers? Oh I forgot, you get to write the rules <lol>.

Marcus Cassius Julianus was tossed aside because others wanted his pointy hat of office and he served no useful purpose after you had secured a voting majority. As for respect for the law, I need no lectures from you on that subject as you have consistently trampled over the constitution and law.

What your response does prove is that you equate your ousting of Cassius with some sort of implicit right never to be criticized or have your actions critiqued. In other words absolute power (as silly as that concept is in NR in reality) corrupts absolutely. Your ego has evidently reached such monumental proportions that you see yourself as the law. You were part of the cabal that removed Cassius, co-founder of the organization that provided you with all those faux titles you enjoy and have actively sought. That decision is legitimately open to be criticized and no, you don't get to hide behind the "law".

So if Piscinus is referred to as the antipope, it is a way of signifying our opposition to that decision and support for Cassius, and you need to get over your concept that you and your friends are beyond the reach of ridicule.

Optime vale



From: David Kling
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:38 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Enough is Enough -


In other words it's a childish ploy to ridicule Piscinus?

And you and your crowd talk about respect for the law? Marcus Cassius
Julianus was removed as Pontifex Maximus by his peers.

You all need to get over yourself.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <
gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]