Diana sal.

I do hope it isn't AIDS. There are many other immune related disorders. I'm immuno-suppressed post cardiac transplant, as are other organ transplant recipients. Lyme disease, lupus, scleroderma....all cause the immune system to react.

One very recent discovery is that immune suppression causes H20 to change into H2O2 (peroxide) in the system at a much higher rate. Increasing anti-oxidents in the system seems to have a beneficial effect, especially on neuropathy.

AIDS, however, is its very own particular issue, and I do wish her well if that's what is affecting the praetrix.

Optime vale,
Enodia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Octavia Aventina" <tooter@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Praetrix,
>
> If you had a cold you should be doing your job in NR. But you have AIDS
> instead, then my prayers go with you.
> I truly wish you the best. I've had 2 friends die of Aids and it is a
> terrible thing. The good news is that there is a lot of medication that
> really helps slow down the disease.
>
> Vale,
> Diana
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deandrea Boyle" <deandreaboyle@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 12:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] My thoughts for Pr. Iunia
>
>
> > Equestria sal.
> >
> > I extend my deep appreciation to those on this list that have wished
> > me well with my health issue. I am being treated for an immune system
> > disorder and making progress. And special thanks to my colleague
> > Maior who was doing me the favor of downplaying my illness a bit to
> > avoid unnecessary concern by those who would potentially worry more
> > than may be warranted.
> >
> > I am here and working on the current issue. To those that feel this is
> > a "crisis" to such an extreme extent (i.e. Diana et Aeternia) that my
> > health, or that of anyone's within this organization, regardless of
> > who they are, should be compromised to jump to your will, I envy your
> > good health and pray that you continue to never have a difficult day
> > in your lives.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> >
> > On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:06 AM, publiusalbucius wrote:
> >
> >> Tribunis omnibusque s.d.
> >>
> >> I have not been informed that Pr. Iunia was ill.
> >>
> >> I wish here the best for her and, first too, a good and speedy
> >> recovery.
> >>
> >> Valete sincerely,
> >>
> >>
> >> Albucius cos.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina
> >> <maximavaleriamessallina@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Maxima Valeria Messallina omnibus S.P.D.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I thank Consul Albucius for sparing me from having to post an
> >>> intercessio against the Praetrices, despite the courtesy my
> >>> colleague and I extended to Iunia Laeca on account of her illness.
> >>> I also understand the Consul's reasons why he felt the matter could
> >>> not wait any longer for a response from Praetrix Laeca.
> >>>
> >>> The Tribunes wish E. Iunia Laeca a good and speedy recovery.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Valete bene in pace Deorum,
> >>>
> >>> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> >>> Tribuna Plebis
> >
>

C. Petronius C. Caecae s.p.d.,

> One question, if I may. the 2nd moderation edict concerning Cato was vetoed by the Tribunes, but hey are still awaiting the time period during which the remaining tribunes can respond.

It is done, now with the third intercessio of Aquillius Rota the majority of the tribunes has vetoed the edictum of the praetrices.

> If not, then I urge the Praetrici to withdraw this *3rd* moderation edict until the proper time for it's enactment ...at which time I, and many others, will, no doubt petition the Tribunes.

There are only 2 decreta, the first vetoed by the consul and the second vetoed by the tribunes of the Plebs.

The 3rd post, sent by Maior today, is the same decretum than the 2nd posted by Iunia yesterday, they both are dated on the Nonis Juniis and have the same text.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. VIII Idus Iunias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

C. Maria Caeca C. Petronio Dextero S. P. D.

Ah! My error, then, and I apologize for taking up the time of this list. This is one of those instances when I am actually happy to be wrong.

Respectfully,
C. Maria Caeca

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve,

It looked like a newer edict even though the date was the same.. The
accusation of using someone elses e-mail has been removed in the third
posting.

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:50 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
> C. Maria Caeca C. Petronio Dextero S. P. D.
>
> Ah! My error, then, and I apologize for taking up the time of this list.  This is one of those instances when I am actually happy to be wrong.
>
> Respectfully,
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



--
Sent from my Sprint HTC EVO 4G!

>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Dianae Octaviae Aventinae quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Maoira, you should be put on moderation for continuing to write in Latin
> which is a celar violation of this Forum.
>
> ATS: Evidently you, too, missed my message, and that of Lentulus, that
> there is no such prohibition regarding posts on the ML. Any language is
> acceptable, so long as it comes from the left cortex (of dextral non-inverters
> and sinistral inverters) rather than the right cortex. The rare dextral
> inverters and more common sinistral non-inverters apparently process language
> on the opposite sides, so it is their left cortex which produces the Tourette
> syndrome vocabulary popular in certain quarters.
>
> Whatever you think of Hortensia, she and anyone else here is allowed to
> write in Latin, French, German, Spanish, Italian, etc., etc., so long as a
> moderator understands the post and can verify that it does not contain
> inappropriate vocabulary or inflammatory rhetoric, etc.
>
> Valete.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rory12001" <rory12001@... <mailto:rory12001%40yahoo.com> >
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 7:12 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
>
> Maior Scaevae spd;
> amice non meministsi quae mulinae rudunt;-)
>
> Si Cato emoderantur, cur dicet?
>
>>> > > Di vos incolumes custodiant!
>>> > >
>>> > > M.I.Scaeva
>> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

C. Maria Caeca C. Equitio Catoni S. P. D.

I don't think the Tribuna Plebis threw anything to anyone. While your most recent post (well, the post in which you quoted Ecclesiastes) was a straightforward presentation of a passage from a sacred text, and I found nothing at all offensive about it (though I do prefer the language of the King James version, mostly because it was the one with which I was raised, but also because it is, in some instances, poetry of the highest order), I had no problem with it.
Technically, yes, you have the right to post anything, in any public Forum, so long as it represents no threat to the nation and so long as it is not directly offensive to the gods or the Religio Romana. I have never seen you be offensive in either of those ways, but ...the right to speak freely is not a license to say whatever you want, to whoever you want, at any time you want. It also involves some responsibilities, not the least among them consideration of your audience, and civility towards that audience.

While the material in those Holiday posts contained (as far as I could see) nothing disrespectful to the gods or to the Religio, I can understand why the way in which this material was presented offended many non christian readers. Had you taken the very simple step of beginning such posts with something along the lines of "In my tradition" or "In the Greek Orthodox tradition ..." I think most people, including most cultors, would have received your posts as I believe you intended them ...expressions of your personal belief system, the sharing of your traditions, and presented so that readers could examine a tradition different from their own. Personally, I like to see how different belief systems deal with Universal issues, and, especially during the times of the Winter Solstice and the Spring Equinox, fascinating. I find that at certain important times of the year, everybody celebrates some things in their own ways, and that interests me, at least intellectually.

I do think, however, that it is important to be mindful of the effects of what we say and do. I would never, for example, enter a Mosque wearing my shoes, though I am not a Moslem. I would never bring a meat dish to a vegetarian pot luck supper, because it would be discourteous and disrespectful. I would not, when speaking to a hearing impaired person turn my head so that some person couldn't see my lips. Sometimes, the tone you adopt when posting about your belief system implies that it is the *only* correct system, and Universally believed to be so, and, as we both know ...that is emphatically not the case.

Had the Praetrices moderated you around Easter, I would have concurred (not that it matters), and said nothing, not because of the information you provided, but because of the tone you used when doing so.

Respectfully,
C. Maria Caeca

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I had not planned on commenting any further about your posts, but since you have opened the door...
 
First, please do not put words into my mouth. That is not what I said. I said that some of your posts do offend those not of your Christian faith and that the praetores, both present and past, have received innumerable complaints about them. They have suggested to you over and over again to take your posts to the NRChristians list where they will be more appreciated. That's good advice. It might be wise of you to take it.
 
As for wishing Citizens of Nova Roma who are of the Jewish faith a happy Passover, you could do that without first quoting two passages from the Bible (message # 74688). That would be like me wishing Citizens of the Wiccan religion a happy Beltane, but prefacing it with "The Great Rite." It's not necessary and, sometimes, not always welcomed by those you are aiming the message at.
 
It's not so much the fact that you repeatedly flaunt your religion on the ML despite the fact that the praetores keep asking you to post instead to the NRChristians list, which makes more sense to be honest as one would think you could have a more meaningful discussion about your religious beliefs on that list (I mean, isn't that for it's for?); it's more the manner in which you post about your religion.
 
Case in point - message # 74962, which you begin with:
 
"Traditionally today is the day when Christ descended to the dead in Hades and
rescued those captive to Death..."
 
 
Traditionally? Whose tradition? It's certainly not the ancient Romans' tradition. It's certainly not according to the traditions of non-Christian religions.There's a simple solution, though. Instead try, "According to the Christian tradition" or "In my religion's tradition", because quite frankly there are times when your posts sound as if you are extolling the only generally accepted *faith* and therefore *true* religion, as some Christians have been doing for centuries, and as those of us who are not Christians have had to endure in our private lives. Perhaps that was not your intention, but it comes across that way.
 
Furthermore, I was under the impression that anything posted to the ML had to have some connection or relevance to Nova Roma or ancient Rome. Case in point: last year I posted some kitty videos and than Praetor Albucius gave me the task of translating descriptions of the videos into Latin (and that was work for me). I realized then that it was not appropriate for me to post such videos to the ML because they had no connection or relevance to NR or anything Roman, and I stopped doing so.
 
Yes, the Constitution of NR does guarantee all of us the right of free speech and while in my capacity as a Tribune, I will defend everyone's right, even yours, Senator Cato, likewise I will defend Laeca and Maior's rights, too.
 
While I do agree that in this instance, the Praetrices were wrong, that does not mean they are always wrong. If so many citizens have complained about your posts over the years, perhaps it's time to take a good look at why. I'll give you a hint - it has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
 
Besides, as the old saying goes, one's personal freedom only extends as far as the tip of one's nose anyway.
 
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
<<--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

Second, I guess that you, Valeria Messalina, had to throw a bone to the more rabid of my antagonists in declaring that public acknowledgment of some of the festivals and observances of my private cult - and those of the Jews (wishing our Jewish citizens a happy Passover) - are "offensive".

Nova Roma celebrates the festivals and observances of a pantheon of deities and heroes, both Roman and Greek, which is only right and correct and for which I have repeatedly spoken loudly and passionately in favor.

Yet the Constitution - or lex Constitutiva - supports, and had from the beginning, the view that public ritual observance is all that is required of elected magistrates and senators. Nova Roma is not a evangelical organization, trying to create - as the unfortunate emperor Iulian did - a type of polytheism that requires a rigid individual orthodoxy in its observance. It failed under Iulian, and will certainly fail in our Respublica.

Not only it is un-Roman in the extreme, but our law protects us from the kind of muzzling with which the praetors have tried - repeatedly - and failed - repeatedly - to strap down the Respublica's citizens.>>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sent to the Praetrices;

"My membership was not confirmed with the acceptance of my chosen latin
name. The contents of the forum postings that I received were filled
with whinning, and petty arguments. I am only interested in the academic
study of Greek and Roman Philosophy, the Latin language and Roman
history; not this childish nonsense."

[another]

" There was too much arguing."


M. Hortensia Maior

Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
----------------------------------------------------------

C. Equitius Cato is hereby placed on moderated status for a period of
24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested
by the praetores. C. Equitius Cato is further placed on moderation
for an additional 30 days for violating his May 31st penalty of 24
hour moderation by posting an unmoderated message.

This edict takes effect immediately.

Datum Nonas Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 5th) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
Buteone Quintiliano II coss.


Basis:
-------
- Citizens have the right to expect public fora to be reasonably
moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility
(Constitution II B.4).
- Praetores are granted the powers and duties of moderators and
empowered to create and enforce policies of acceptable behavior in
public fora (Lex Octavia de Sermone III).
- Complaints were made concerning religious texts quoted and posted
out of context by C. Equitius Cato were being perceived as
proselytizing.
- The praetors sent a private warning to C. Equitius Cato to keep his
religious postings within historical context, etc.
- C. Equitius Cato disregarded the praetorian warning and continued to
post passages of bible scripture out of historical context, and/or
relevant discussion, etc.
- As a result, C. Equitius Cato was placed on moderation for a period
of 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested,
- C. Equitius Cato circumvented the penalty of 24 hour moderation by
posting under another's email address,
- For violating the moderation measure, C.
Equitius Cato is placed under moderation for a period of 30 days.


Record:
---------
March 27, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Lazarus Saturday (Message #74631)
March 28, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Palm Sunday (Message #74649)
March 30, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Pesach Tov! (Message
#74688,74690,74703)
==========
March 31, 2010 - Praetrices to C. Equitius Cato (Private)
[" there have been complaints of posting of Religious texts without
an historical or scholarly discussion. The usage LORD, is
inflammatory, implying religious exclusivism. Please keep your posts
in context."]
==========
April 3, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Holy Saturday (Message #74962)
May 29, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Re: In Honor of Memorial day in the
USA (Message #75905)
==========
May 31, 2010 - Praetrices place C. Equitius Cato on 24 hour moderation
(Private)
[" G. Equitius Cato, as per II.B.4 of the Constitution, as of 23
hr. Rome time will be moderated for 24 hours.
you previously had been warned not to post bare religious texts on the
Main List. This is considered spam and the praetrices have received
complaints of proselytizing from the quirites.
We direct you to the sodalitas
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians/ where such posts will be
welcome."]
==========
June 1, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato violates moderation by posting
an unmoderated message
(Message #75945)
==========

Equestria Iunia Laeca
M. Hortensia Maior
Praetrice

Salve M.V.Messallinae,

Optime dicis. Verba circumscripta et ad apicibus sunt. Cum acu eum tango. Tenuissetne Cato? Qui sciunt?

Vale,

M.I.Scaeva


ANGLICE:

Greetings to M.V. Messallina

Very well said. Succinct and to the point. You touch it with a needle. Will Cato get it? Who knows?

Be well,

M.I.Scaeva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I had not planned on commenting any further about your posts, but since you have opened the door...
>  
> First, please do not put words into my mouth. That is not what I said. I said that some of your posts do offend those not of your Christian faith and that the praetores, both present and past, have received innumerable complaints about them. They have suggested to you over and over again to take your posts to the NRChristians list where they will be more appreciated. That's good advice. It might be wise of you to take it.
>  
> As for wishing Citizens of Nova Roma who are of the Jewish faith a happy Passover, you could do that without first quoting two passages from the Bible (message # 74688). That would be like me wishing Citizens of the Wiccan religion a happy Beltane, but prefacing it with "The Great Rite." It's not necessary and, sometimes, not always welcomed by those you are aiming the message at.
>  
> It's not so much the fact that you repeatedly flaunt your religion on the ML despite the fact that the praetores keep asking you to post instead to the NRChristians list, which makes more sense to be honest as one would think you could have a more meaningful discussion about your religious beliefs on that list (I mean, isn't that for it's for?); it's more the manner in which you post about your religion.
>  
> Case in point - message # 74962, which you begin with:
>  
> "Traditionally today is the day when Christ descended to the dead in Hades and
> rescued those captive to Death..."
>  
>  
> Traditionally? Whose tradition? It's certainly not the ancient Romans' tradition. It's certainly not according to the traditions of non-Christian religions.There's a simple solution, though. Instead try, "According to the Christian tradition" or "In my religion's tradition", because quite frankly there are times when your posts sound as if you are extolling the only generally accepted *faith* and therefore *true* religion, as some Christians have been doing for centuries, and as those of us who are not Christians have had to endure in our private lives. Perhaps that was not your intention, but it comes across that way.
>  
> Furthermore, I was under the impression that anything posted to the ML had to have some connection or relevance to Nova Roma or ancient Rome. Case in point: last year I posted some kitty videos and than Praetor Albucius gave me the task of translating descriptions of the videos into Latin (and that was work for me). I realized then that it was not appropriate for me to post such videos to the ML because they had no connection or relevance to NR or anything Roman, and I stopped doing so.
>  
> Yes, the Constitution of NR does guarantee all of us the right of free speech and while in my capacity as a Tribune, I will defend everyone's right, even yours, Senator Cato, likewise I will defend Laeca and Maior's rights, too.
>  
> While I do agree that in this instance, the Praetrices were wrong, that does not mean they are always wrong. If so many citizens have complained about your posts over the years, perhaps it's time to take a good look at why. I'll give you a hint - it has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
>  
> Besides, as the old saying goes, one's personal freedom only extends as far as the tip of one's nose anyway.
>  
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> <<--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Second, I guess that you, Valeria Messalina, had to throw a bone to the more rabid of my antagonists in declaring that public acknowledgment of some of the festivals and observances of my private cult - and those of the Jews (wishing our Jewish citizens a happy Passover) - are "offensive".
>
> Nova Roma celebrates the festivals and observances of a pantheon of deities and heroes, both Roman and Greek, which is only right and correct and for which I have repeatedly spoken loudly and passionately in favor.
>
> Yet the Constitution - or lex Constitutiva - supports, and had from the beginning, the view that public ritual observance is all that is required of elected magistrates and senators. Nova Roma is not a evangelical organization, trying to create - as the unfortunate emperor Iulian did - a type of polytheism that requires a rigid individual orthodoxy in its observance. It failed under Iulian, and will certainly fail in our Respublica.
>
> Not only it is un-Roman in the extreme, but our law protects us from the kind of muzzling with which the praetors have tried - repeatedly - and failed - repeatedly - to strap down the Respublica's citizens.>>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Cato praetores SPD

You're kidding, right?

Valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> C. Equitius Cato is hereby placed on moderated status for a period of
> 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested
> by the praetores. C. Equitius Cato is further placed on moderation
> for an additional 30 days for violating his May 31st penalty of 24
> hour moderation by posting an unmoderated message.
>
> This edict takes effect immediately.
>
> Datum Nonas Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 5th) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
> Buteone Quintiliano II coss.
>
>
> Basis:
> -------
> - Citizens have the right to expect public fora to be reasonably
> moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility
> (Constitution II B.4).
> - Praetores are granted the powers and duties of moderators and
> empowered to create and enforce policies of acceptable behavior in
> public fora (Lex Octavia de Sermone III).
> - Complaints were made concerning religious texts quoted and posted
> out of context by C. Equitius Cato were being perceived as
> proselytizing.
> - The praetors sent a private warning to C. Equitius Cato to keep his
> religious postings within historical context, etc.
> - C. Equitius Cato disregarded the praetorian warning and continued to
> post passages of bible scripture out of historical context, and/or
> relevant discussion, etc.
> - As a result, C. Equitius Cato was placed on moderation for a period
> of 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested,
> - C. Equitius Cato circumvented the penalty of 24 hour moderation by
> posting under another's email address,
> - For violating the moderation measure, C.
> Equitius Cato is placed under moderation for a period of 30 days.
>
>
> Record:
> ---------
> March 27, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Lazarus Saturday (Message #74631)
> March 28, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Palm Sunday (Message #74649)
> March 30, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Pesach Tov! (Message
> #74688,74690,74703)
> ==========
> March 31, 2010 - Praetrices to C. Equitius Cato (Private)
> [" there have been complaints of posting of Religious texts without
> an historical or scholarly discussion. The usage LORD, is
> inflammatory, implying religious exclusivism. Please keep your posts
> in context."]
> ==========
> April 3, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Holy Saturday (Message #74962)
> May 29, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Re: In Honor of Memorial day in the
> USA (Message #75905)
> ==========
> May 31, 2010 - Praetrices place C. Equitius Cato on 24 hour moderation
> (Private)
> [" G. Equitius Cato, as per II.B.4 of the Constitution, as of 23
> hr. Rome time will be moderated for 24 hours.
> you previously had been warned not to post bare religious texts on the
> Main List. This is considered spam and the praetrices have received
> complaints of proselytizing from the quirites.
> We direct you to the sodalitas
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians/ where such posts will be
> welcome."]
> ==========
> June 1, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato violates moderation by posting
> an unmoderated message
> (Message #75945)
> ==========
>
> Equestria Iunia Laeca
> M. Hortensia Maior
> Praetrice
>

Salve Salve Gaius Antonius Flavus,
 
I got your reply and TY. I didn't do my citizenship test yet, cause i had lots to do before I'm ready to do it. So u live in Indiana. Cool. Whom is your state's Roman governor r? Do u have Yahoo Messenger, so we can chat Roman words and more to each other. OK. I better go now. So see u soon. Bye.
 
Milieus Maximus Capriconius

--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Stephen <gaiusantoniusflavius@...> wrote:


From: Stephen <gaiusantoniusflavius@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Hello all
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 8:28 AM


 



Salve Milieus Maximus Capriconius,

I am from the Indianapolis, Indiana region of our Roman World. Thank you for the email. I'm still waiting to take my citizenship test, something to do with another applicant using my same surname so we have to accept each other as cousins. Thank you for the message and I look forward to speaking with you again.

Vale

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, myles kroll <kingofoceanna@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Gaius Antonius Flavus,
>  
> My name is Milieus Maximus Capricornius (Myles Kroll). I joined this group and join the NewRoman Yahoo group on the yahoo group, and i got the info to do the newroman test, but i had to work on my Roman vegges garden, but in Sunday, I'll do the test and I emailed others in California and she emailed the female governor in my state of Washington, now i have to wait for the reply from the female governor. OK.
>  
> I got lots of ancient books on: ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome and it's ancient empire. I have statues, recipe books, PC games and few others. What is your Roman interests,
> Gaius Antonius Flavus?? So where r u from in this roman empire in USA? I'm in Bellingham, WA. So see u soon. Bye.
>  
> Milieus Maximus Capricornius (Myles Kroll)
>
> --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Stephen <gaiusantoniusflavius@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Stephen <gaiusantoniusflavius@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Hello all
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 7:46 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Salve,
>
> Welcome! I rarley respond in our group since I signed up in December 2009, but I have enjoyed every daily post I have gained. You can learn much about Latin, and anything Roman! I myself have graduated from IUPUI in Public Management with a minor in History. I love all things Rome, and have found many peers in this group, so if you are the same as I, I think you will be satisfied in your decision to join.
>
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>
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> >  
> > Vale bene,
> >  
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> >
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Maior Quiritibus spd,

Laeca feeling tired and pressed didn't omit the references to using another account. And it was so late when I looked at it last night I didn't see them.

Sentius Leoninus has nothing to do with this business. Though it would be nice if a civis who is a good latinist actually particpated in ML discussions. I'm sure he has many positive things to say and do..


Anyway the new edict has been suitably edited. And shouldn't pose a problem for the tribunes. My apologies to them and my thanks for their patience.
M. Hortensia Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato praetores SPD
>
> You're kidding, right?
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > C. Equitius Cato is hereby placed on moderated status for a period of
> > 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested
> > by the praetores. C. Equitius Cato is further placed on moderation
> > for an additional 30 days for violating his May 31st penalty of 24
> > hour moderation by posting an unmoderated message.
> >
> > This edict takes effect immediately.
> >
> > Datum Nonas Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 5th) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
> > Buteone Quintiliano II coss.
> >
> >
> > Basis:
> > -------
> > - Citizens have the right to expect public fora to be reasonably
> > moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility
> > (Constitution II B.4).
> > - Praetores are granted the powers and duties of moderators and
> > empowered to create and enforce policies of acceptable behavior in
> > public fora (Lex Octavia de Sermone III).
> > - Complaints were made concerning religious texts quoted and posted
> > out of context by C. Equitius Cato were being perceived as
> > proselytizing.
> > - The praetors sent a private warning to C. Equitius Cato to keep his
> > religious postings within historical context, etc.
> > - C. Equitius Cato disregarded the praetorian warning and continued to
> > post passages of bible scripture out of historical context, and/or
> > relevant discussion, etc.
> > - As a result, C. Equitius Cato was placed on moderation for a period
> > of 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested,
> > - C. Equitius Cato circumvented the penalty of 24 hour moderation by
> > posting under another's email address,
> > - For violating the moderation measure, C.
> > Equitius Cato is placed under moderation for a period of 30 days.
> >
> >
> > Record:
> > ---------
> > March 27, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Lazarus Saturday (Message #74631)
> > March 28, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Palm Sunday (Message #74649)
> > March 30, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Pesach Tov! (Message
> > #74688,74690,74703)
> > ==========
> > March 31, 2010 - Praetrices to C. Equitius Cato (Private)
> > [" there have been complaints of posting of Religious texts without
> > an historical or scholarly discussion. The usage LORD, is
> > inflammatory, implying religious exclusivism. Please keep your posts
> > in context."]
> > ==========
> > April 3, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Holy Saturday (Message #74962)
> > May 29, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Re: In Honor of Memorial day in the
> > USA (Message #75905)
> > ==========
> > May 31, 2010 - Praetrices place C. Equitius Cato on 24 hour moderation
> > (Private)
> > [" G. Equitius Cato, as per II.B.4 of the Constitution, as of 23
> > hr. Rome time will be moderated for 24 hours.
> > you previously had been warned not to post bare religious texts on the
> > Main List. This is considered spam and the praetrices have received
> > complaints of proselytizing from the quirites.
> > We direct you to the sodalitas
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians/ where such posts will be
> > welcome."]
> > ==========
> > June 1, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato violates moderation by posting
> > an unmoderated message
> > (Message #75945)
> > ==========
> >
> > Equestria Iunia Laeca
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> > Praetrice
> >
>

Leoninus omnibus S.P.D


Apparently she isn't.

Hortensia, even the dumbest of creatures learns eventually.

Valete optime!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato praetores SPD
>
> You're kidding, right?
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > C. Equitius Cato is hereby placed on moderated status for a period of
> > 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested
> > by the praetores. C. Equitius Cato is further placed on moderation
> > for an additional 30 days for violating his May 31st penalty of 24
> > hour moderation by posting an unmoderated message.
> >
> > This edict takes effect immediately.
> >
> > Datum Nonas Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 5th) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
> > Buteone Quintiliano II coss.
> >
> >
> > Basis:
> > -------
> > - Citizens have the right to expect public fora to be reasonably
> > moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility
> > (Constitution II B.4).
> > - Praetores are granted the powers and duties of moderators and
> > empowered to create and enforce policies of acceptable behavior in
> > public fora (Lex Octavia de Sermone III).
> > - Complaints were made concerning religious texts quoted and posted
> > out of context by C. Equitius Cato were being perceived as
> > proselytizing.
> > - The praetors sent a private warning to C. Equitius Cato to keep his
> > religious postings within historical context, etc.
> > - C. Equitius Cato disregarded the praetorian warning and continued to
> > post passages of bible scripture out of historical context, and/or
> > relevant discussion, etc.
> > - As a result, C. Equitius Cato was placed on moderation for a period
> > of 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested,
> > - C. Equitius Cato circumvented the penalty of 24 hour moderation by
> > posting under another's email address,
> > - For violating the moderation measure, C.
> > Equitius Cato is placed under moderation for a period of 30 days.
> >
> >
> > Record:
> > ---------
> > March 27, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Lazarus Saturday (Message #74631)
> > March 28, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Palm Sunday (Message #74649)
> > March 30, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Pesach Tov! (Message
> > #74688,74690,74703)
> > ==========
> > March 31, 2010 - Praetrices to C. Equitius Cato (Private)
> > [" there have been complaints of posting of Religious texts without
> > an historical or scholarly discussion. The usage LORD, is
> > inflammatory, implying religious exclusivism. Please keep your posts
> > in context."]
> > ==========
> > April 3, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Holy Saturday (Message #74962)
> > May 29, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Re: In Honor of Memorial day in the
> > USA (Message #75905)
> > ==========
> > May 31, 2010 - Praetrices place C. Equitius Cato on 24 hour moderation
> > (Private)
> > [" G. Equitius Cato, as per II.B.4 of the Constitution, as of 23
> > hr. Rome time will be moderated for 24 hours.
> > you previously had been warned not to post bare religious texts on the
> > Main List. This is considered spam and the praetrices have received
> > complaints of proselytizing from the quirites.
> > We direct you to the sodalitas
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians/ where such posts will be
> > welcome."]
> > ==========
> > June 1, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato violates moderation by posting
> > an unmoderated message
> > (Message #75945)
> > ==========
> >
> > Equestria Iunia Laeca
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> > Praetrice
> >
>

C. Maria Caeca omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

I think it would be appropriate, here, for me to point out that Leoninus *does* an enormous amount of work for NR. He is A. Tullia's teaching assistant, corrects homework assignments (as I well know), is available for technical magic on the course site, answers beginner questions with patience and care, and is a true treasure to our Latin students and their Magistra. Frankly, I doubt he has much *time* to post ...to busy artistically applying red ink!

Valete bene,
C. Maria Caeca

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Maior Leonine sd;
I just checked your civil service record Leonine, as my fellow praetrix thought you didn't exist.

Citizen since 2004 and civil service record for Nova Roma = 0
http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=8034


You've done nothing positive for the res publica though you possess many skills.
bene fecit. I admire your constant inactivity
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "csentiusleoninus" <leoninus@...> wrote:
>
> Leoninus omnibus S.P.D
>
>
> Apparently she isn't.
>
> Hortensia, even the dumbest of creatures learns eventually.
>
> Valete optime!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato praetores SPD
> >
> > You're kidding, right?
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > C. Equitius Cato is hereby placed on moderated status for a period of
> > > 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested
> > > by the praetores. C. Equitius Cato is further placed on moderation
> > > for an additional 30 days for violating his May 31st penalty of 24
> > > hour moderation by posting an unmoderated message.
> > >
> > > This edict takes effect immediately.
> > >
> > > Datum Nonas Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 5th) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
> > > Buteone Quintiliano II coss.
> > >
> > >
> > > Basis:
> > > -------
> > > - Citizens have the right to expect public fora to be reasonably
> > > moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility
> > > (Constitution II B.4).
> > > - Praetores are granted the powers and duties of moderators and
> > > empowered to create and enforce policies of acceptable behavior in
> > > public fora (Lex Octavia de Sermone III).
> > > - Complaints were made concerning religious texts quoted and posted
> > > out of context by C. Equitius Cato were being perceived as
> > > proselytizing.
> > > - The praetors sent a private warning to C. Equitius Cato to keep his
> > > religious postings within historical context, etc.
> > > - C. Equitius Cato disregarded the praetorian warning and continued to
> > > post passages of bible scripture out of historical context, and/or
> > > relevant discussion, etc.
> > > - As a result, C. Equitius Cato was placed on moderation for a period
> > > of 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested,
> > > - C. Equitius Cato circumvented the penalty of 24 hour moderation by
> > > posting under another's email address,
> > > - For violating the moderation measure, C.
> > > Equitius Cato is placed under moderation for a period of 30 days.
> > >
> > >
> > > Record:
> > > ---------
> > > March 27, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Lazarus Saturday (Message #74631)
> > > March 28, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Palm Sunday (Message #74649)
> > > March 30, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Pesach Tov! (Message
> > > #74688,74690,74703)
> > > ==========
> > > March 31, 2010 - Praetrices to C. Equitius Cato (Private)
> > > [" there have been complaints of posting of Religious texts without
> > > an historical or scholarly discussion. The usage LORD, is
> > > inflammatory, implying religious exclusivism. Please keep your posts
> > > in context."]
> > > ==========
> > > April 3, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Holy Saturday (Message #74962)
> > > May 29, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Re: In Honor of Memorial day in the
> > > USA (Message #75905)
> > > ==========
> > > May 31, 2010 - Praetrices place C. Equitius Cato on 24 hour moderation
> > > (Private)
> > > [" G. Equitius Cato, as per II.B.4 of the Constitution, as of 23
> > > hr. Rome time will be moderated for 24 hours.
> > > you previously had been warned not to post bare religious texts on the
> > > Main List. This is considered spam and the praetrices have received
> > > complaints of proselytizing from the quirites.
> > > We direct you to the sodalitas
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians/ where such posts will be
> > > welcome."]
> > > ==========
> > > June 1, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato violates moderation by posting
> > > an unmoderated message
> > > (Message #75945)
> > > ==========
> > >
> > > Equestria Iunia Laeca
> > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > Praetrice
> > >
> >
>

I, C. Maria Caeca, assiduous citizen and member of the Plebeian order, once
again petition the Tribunes of the Plebs to intercede concerning the latest
notice of moderation posted concerning Senator C. Equitius Cato.

While the incorrect information was indeed removed, the basic unfairness of
this edict remains. The post that presaged this action was merely a passage
quoted from a sacred book, with no comment, and, as such, seems as
inoffensive against the Religio and gods of Nova Roma as, for example, a
passage from any other sacred text of any belief system or religion. I do
not understand using past offenses as justification for moderation at this
particular time ...in an open society, laws are not enforced retroactively.
In addition, there is still no Praetorial edict, applicable statute, or
relevant policy posted. Those given do not address the offense, if offense
there was, since the post on which the action was based created no discord
or disorder in this forum. Posting notes from previous citizens concerning
their reasons for leaving (none of which dealt with the Senator's actions, I
might add) or posts from 2007 do not, it seems to me have any relevance to
this issue, nor do I see how they justify the actions of the Praetors.

Most respectfully,
C. Maria Caeca

C. Maria Caeca M. Hortensiae Maori S. P. D.

Praetrix, as I trust you are aware, not all service done which ultimately benefits the Res Publica is reflected in the Album civium. many people do many things, quietly, without notice or thanks, except from those who benefit directly from their efforts. Leoninus is one of those ...and I assure you, that every student with whom he works has excellent reason for gratitude and respect. Frankly, considering the amount of work he does, and considering the number of cives who benefit from that work, I suggest that you:
1. contact A. Tullia Scholastica and ask her to explain the vital role Leoninus plays in her teaching efforts, and then:
2. Publicly apologize to Leoninus.

C. Maria Caeca

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

To the Tribunes:

Salutations!

I appreciate the enormous effort that has been required over the last few days
with regard to this tiresome issue of Cato's moderation, and am saddened to have
to once again impose upon your time. My great thanks to Maxima Valeria
Messalina for all her efforts. As Vestal, her time and attention must be
focused on one of the most important religious rites of Nova Roma, and I
therefore request that the other tribunes step forward to issue a new
intercessio.

Q Caecilius Metellus Pius has previous stated with great clarity the reasons for
this request, and I will simply restate them with his kind permission:

In the first place, the lex constitutiua (II.B.4.) guarantees citizens
the right to participate in public fora, and goes further to specify
that such fora may not be restricted, "except where they represent an
imminent and clear danger to the Republic." The praetors have not
alleged, nor have they demonstrated to any extent, that continued speech
by the citizen in question represents such a danger. Whereas the lex
constitutiua is the supreme law within Nova Roma, in itself, this is
sufficient grounds for intercessio.

In the second place, the lex Octauia de Sermone (Sec. III) grants the
praetors the authority to utilise all moderation features provided,
subject to those protections provided by the lex constitutiua, as I have
outlined above. It goes on, however, to empower the praetors to create
and enforce such policies of acceptable behaviour. The Praetors have
not published any such policies, and therefore, the People cannot be
expected to be aware of any such policies (since their failure to be
published causes them to be, effectively, non-existent), nor can the
Praetors create and enforce a policy after such time as the action took
place (lex const., I.A.3.a.). Because the praetors have not created and
made public any such policies of acceptable behaviour, they cannot
enforce any such policies. Attached to this is a return to the later
paragraph of the lex constitutiua II.B.4., such that, even if such
policies are created, such policies cannot restrict speech if it does
not represent the danger mentioned in the referenced paragraph of the
lex constitutiua.

Furthermore, and in the third place, while the Lex Arminia de Imperio
(2.E.) grants a holder of imperium full jurisdiction, and defines it as
"the power to interpret the law, on all levels on all Nova Roma
subjects", that power is limited, per the lex constitutiua (I.B.) by the
order of legal precedence, such that any law is of superior authority to
the edicts of any magistrate, and, naturally, the lex constitutiua is
superior to such laws. The use of imperium, therefore, to curtail,
infringe upon, or otherwise violate the right to free speech of any
citizen where such speech does not represent the danger to the Republic
as required in Paragraph II.B.4 of the lex constitutiua, is not only a
violation of law, but is an outright abuse of the powers of their office.

I thank you for your attention to this matter, and hope that this is the last
time we will have to deal with this particular issue.

Vale, et valete,

V Rutilia Enodia
Fide cani

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> I, C. Maria Caeca, assiduous citizen and member of the Plebeian order, once
> again petition the Tribunes of the Plebs to intercede concerning the latest
> notice of moderation posted concerning Senator C. Equitius Cato.
>
> While the incorrect information was indeed removed, the basic unfairness of
> this edict remains. The post that presaged this action was merely a passage
> quoted from a sacred book, with no comment, and, as such, seems as
> inoffensive against the Religio and gods of Nova Roma as, for example, a
> passage from any other sacred text of any belief system or religion. I do
> not understand using past offenses as justification for moderation at this
> particular time ...in an open society, laws are not enforced retroactively.
> In addition, there is still no Praetorial edict, applicable statute, or
> relevant policy posted. Those given do not address the offense, if offense
> there was, since the post on which the action was based created no discord
> or disorder in this forum. Posting notes from previous citizens concerning
> their reasons for leaving (none of which dealt with the Senator's actions, I
> might add) or posts from 2007 do not, it seems to me have any relevance to
> this issue, nor do I see how they justify the actions of the Praetors.
>
> Most respectfully,
> C. Maria Caeca
>

Salve,


Seriously? Whats this NR's version of the Mad Hatter?

Ridiculous.

Vale,
Aeternia

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:50 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> C. Equitius Cato is hereby placed on moderated status for a period of
> 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested
> by the praetores. C. Equitius Cato is further placed on moderation
> for an additional 30 days for violating his May 31st penalty of 24
> hour moderation by posting an unmoderated message.
>
> This edict takes effect immediately.
>
> Datum Nonas Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 5th) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
> Buteone Quintiliano II coss.
>
> Basis:
> -------
> - Citizens have the right to expect public fora to be reasonably
> moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility
> (Constitution II B.4).
> - Praetores are granted the powers and duties of moderators and
> empowered to create and enforce policies of acceptable behavior in
> public fora (Lex Octavia de Sermone III).
> - Complaints were made concerning religious texts quoted and posted
> out of context by C. Equitius Cato were being perceived as
> proselytizing.
> - The praetors sent a private warning to C. Equitius Cato to keep his
> religious postings within historical context, etc.
> - C. Equitius Cato disregarded the praetorian warning and continued to
> post passages of bible scripture out of historical context, and/or
> relevant discussion, etc.
> - As a result, C. Equitius Cato was placed on moderation for a period
> of 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested,
> - C. Equitius Cato circumvented the penalty of 24 hour moderation by
> posting under another's email address,
> - For violating the moderation measure, C.
> Equitius Cato is placed under moderation for a period of 30 days.
>
> Record:
> ---------
> March 27, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Lazarus Saturday (Message #74631)
> March 28, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Palm Sunday (Message #74649)
> March 30, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Pesach Tov! (Message
> #74688,74690,74703)
> ==========
> March 31, 2010 - Praetrices to C. Equitius Cato (Private)
> [" there have been complaints of posting of Religious texts without
> an historical or scholarly discussion. The usage LORD, is
> inflammatory, implying religious exclusivism. Please keep your posts
> in context."]
> ==========
> April 3, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Holy Saturday (Message #74962)
> May 29, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Re: In Honor of Memorial day in the
> USA (Message #75905)
> ==========
> May 31, 2010 - Praetrices place C. Equitius Cato on 24 hour moderation
> (Private)
> [" G. Equitius Cato, as per II.B.4 of the Constitution, as of 23
> hr. Rome time will be moderated for 24 hours.
> you previously had been warned not to post bare religious texts on the
> Main List. This is considered spam and the praetrices have received
> complaints of proselytizing from the quirites.
> We direct you to the sodalitas
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians/ where such posts will be
> welcome."]
> ==========
> June 1, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato violates moderation by posting
> an unmoderated message
> (Message #75945)
> ==========
>
> Equestria Iunia Laeca
> M. Hortensia Maior
> Praetrice
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

At what point can we begin the process of removing the praetors from office?

I can see this farce going on every day until the end of the year. Edict veto, counter edict, counter veto ad nauseum.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
>
> Seriously? Whats this NR's version of the Mad Hatter?
>
> Ridiculous.
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:50 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > C. Equitius Cato is hereby placed on moderated status for a period of
> > 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested
> > by the praetores. C. Equitius Cato is further placed on moderation
> > for an additional 30 days for violating his May 31st penalty of 24
> > hour moderation by posting an unmoderated message.
> >
> > This edict takes effect immediately.
> >
> > Datum Nonas Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 5th) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
> > Buteone Quintiliano II coss.
> >
> > Basis:
> > -------
> > - Citizens have the right to expect public fora to be reasonably
> > moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility
> > (Constitution II B.4).
> > - Praetores are granted the powers and duties of moderators and
> > empowered to create and enforce policies of acceptable behavior in
> > public fora (Lex Octavia de Sermone III).
> > - Complaints were made concerning religious texts quoted and posted
> > out of context by C. Equitius Cato were being perceived as
> > proselytizing.
> > - The praetors sent a private warning to C. Equitius Cato to keep his
> > religious postings within historical context, etc.
> > - C. Equitius Cato disregarded the praetorian warning and continued to
> > post passages of bible scripture out of historical context, and/or
> > relevant discussion, etc.
> > - As a result, C. Equitius Cato was placed on moderation for a period
> > of 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested,
> > - C. Equitius Cato circumvented the penalty of 24 hour moderation by
> > posting under another's email address,
> > - For violating the moderation measure, C.
> > Equitius Cato is placed under moderation for a period of 30 days.
> >
> > Record:
> > ---------
> > March 27, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Lazarus Saturday (Message #74631)
> > March 28, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Palm Sunday (Message #74649)
> > March 30, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Pesach Tov! (Message
> > #74688,74690,74703)
> > ==========
> > March 31, 2010 - Praetrices to C. Equitius Cato (Private)
> > [" there have been complaints of posting of Religious texts without
> > an historical or scholarly discussion. The usage LORD, is
> > inflammatory, implying religious exclusivism. Please keep your posts
> > in context."]
> > ==========
> > April 3, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Holy Saturday (Message #74962)
> > May 29, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Re: In Honor of Memorial day in the
> > USA (Message #75905)
> > ==========
> > May 31, 2010 - Praetrices place C. Equitius Cato on 24 hour moderation
> > (Private)
> > [" G. Equitius Cato, as per II.B.4 of the Constitution, as of 23
> > hr. Rome time will be moderated for 24 hours.
> > you previously had been warned not to post bare religious texts on the
> > Main List. This is considered spam and the praetrices have received
> > complaints of proselytizing from the quirites.
> > We direct you to the sodalitas
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians/ where such posts will be
> > welcome."]
> > ==========
> > June 1, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato violates moderation by posting
> > an unmoderated message
> > (Message #75945)
> > ==========
> >
> > Equestria Iunia Laeca
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> > Praetrice
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve Sullae,

Cato ab Nova Roma submoveri atqui videre amem. Is elementum eversionem quis fundamentum ipsum subruere civitatis quaerit. Cato Rhetorices tumultum facio et cives dissentire efficio. Ubi Cato it, chaosum semper reperitur. Cur iste est? Is exsulatus.

Vale,

M.I.Scaeva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>
> At what point can we begin the process of removing the praetors from office?
>
> I can see this farce going on every day until the end of the year. Edict veto, counter edict, counter veto ad nauseum.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> >
> > Seriously? Whats this NR's version of the Mad Hatter?
> >
> > Ridiculous.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:50 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > C. Equitius Cato is hereby placed on moderated status for a period of
> > > 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested
> > > by the praetores. C. Equitius Cato is further placed on moderation
> > > for an additional 30 days for violating his May 31st penalty of 24
> > > hour moderation by posting an unmoderated message.
> > >
> > > This edict takes effect immediately.
> > >
> > > Datum Nonas Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 5th) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
> > > Buteone Quintiliano II coss.
> > >
> > > Basis:
> > > -------
> > > - Citizens have the right to expect public fora to be reasonably
> > > moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility
> > > (Constitution II B.4).
> > > - Praetores are granted the powers and duties of moderators and
> > > empowered to create and enforce policies of acceptable behavior in
> > > public fora (Lex Octavia de Sermone III).
> > > - Complaints were made concerning religious texts quoted and posted
> > > out of context by C. Equitius Cato were being perceived as
> > > proselytizing.
> > > - The praetors sent a private warning to C. Equitius Cato to keep his
> > > religious postings within historical context, etc.
> > > - C. Equitius Cato disregarded the praetorian warning and continued to
> > > post passages of bible scripture out of historical context, and/or
> > > relevant discussion, etc.
> > > - As a result, C. Equitius Cato was placed on moderation for a period
> > > of 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested,
> > > - C. Equitius Cato circumvented the penalty of 24 hour moderation by
> > > posting under another's email address,
> > > - For violating the moderation measure, C.
> > > Equitius Cato is placed under moderation for a period of 30 days.
> > >
> > > Record:
> > > ---------
> > > March 27, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Lazarus Saturday (Message #74631)
> > > March 28, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Palm Sunday (Message #74649)
> > > March 30, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Pesach Tov! (Message
> > > #74688,74690,74703)
> > > ==========
> > > March 31, 2010 - Praetrices to C. Equitius Cato (Private)
> > > [" there have been complaints of posting of Religious texts without
> > > an historical or scholarly discussion. The usage LORD, is
> > > inflammatory, implying religious exclusivism. Please keep your posts
> > > in context."]
> > > ==========
> > > April 3, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Holy Saturday (Message #74962)
> > > May 29, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Re: In Honor of Memorial day in the
> > > USA (Message #75905)
> > > ==========
> > > May 31, 2010 - Praetrices place C. Equitius Cato on 24 hour moderation
> > > (Private)
> > > [" G. Equitius Cato, as per II.B.4 of the Constitution, as of 23
> > > hr. Rome time will be moderated for 24 hours.
> > > you previously had been warned not to post bare religious texts on the
> > > Main List. This is considered spam and the praetrices have received
> > > complaints of proselytizing from the quirites.
> > > We direct you to the sodalitas
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians/ where such posts will be
> > > welcome."]
> > > ==========
> > > June 1, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato violates moderation by posting
> > > an unmoderated message
> > > (Message #75945)
> > > ==========
> > >
> > > Equestria Iunia Laeca
> > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > Praetrice
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Citizens,
 
It is as Dexter says. There is no third edict, just a reposting of the second one which has been vetoed. Both have the date of June 5th. In the reposted edict, the word "deceptive" was removed. No further intercessio will be necessary.
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Tribuna Plebis
 

--- On Sun, 6/6/10, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:


C. Petronius C. Caecae s.p.d.,

> One question, if I may. the 2nd moderation edict concerning Cato was vetoed by the Tribunes, but hey are still awaiting the time period during which the remaining tribunes can respond.

It is done, now with the third intercessio of Aquillius Rota the majority of the tribunes has vetoed the edictum of the praetrices.

> If not, then I urge the Praetrici to withdraw this *3rd* moderation edict until the proper time for it's enactment ...at which time I, and many others, will, no doubt petition the Tribunes.

There are only 2 decreta, the first vetoed by the consul and the second vetoed by the tribunes of the Plebs.

The 3rd post, sent by Maior today, is the same decretum than the 2nd posted by Iunia yesterday, they both are dated on the Nonis Juniis and have the same text.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. VIII Idus Iunias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.



 




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It's a new edict

Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
> Citizens,
>  
> It is as Dexter says. There is no third edict, just a reposting of the second one which has been vetoed. Both have the date of June 5th. In the reposted edict, the word "deceptive" was removed. No further intercessio will be necessary.
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Tribuna Plebis
>  
>
>
> --- On Sun, 6/6/10, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
>
> C. Petronius C. Caecae s.p.d.,
>
> > One question, if I may. the 2nd moderation edict concerning Cato was vetoed by the Tribunes, but hey are still awaiting the time period during which the remaining tribunes can respond.
>
> It is done, now with the third intercessio of Aquillius Rota the majority of the tribunes has vetoed the edictum of the praetrices.
>
> > If not, then I urge the Praetrici to withdraw this *3rd* moderation edict until the proper time for it's enactment ...at which time I, and many others, will, no doubt petition the Tribunes.
>
> There are only 2 decreta, the first vetoed by the consul and the second vetoed by the tribunes of the Plebs.
>
> The 3rd post, sent by Maior today, is the same decretum than the 2nd posted by Iunia yesterday, they both are dated on the Nonis Juniis and have the same text.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
> A. d. VIII Idus Iunias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve Hortensia,



I take due record of your resignation below, that I regret but may understand, as a former praetor I was and in the view of the current situation and pressure you have faced these last days.



I note that you will leave your office this day on Sunday midnight in your time zone (Monday 7th in Rome time).



I will, from tomorrow on, consult with Praetrix Iunia and my colleague to discuss on the organization of the praetura and on the date of the election of a praetor suffectus/-a.



I thank you, on behalf of our State, for the whole dedication you brought in your praetorian duties.





Vale Maior,





Albucius cos.







Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:39:31 -0700
From: rory12001@...
Subject: Re: *URGENT* - New moderation edictum ? Application of the tribunician veto
To: deandreaboyle@...; albucius_aoe@...; maximavaleriamessallina@...
CC: jfarnoud94@...; castra.rota@...; corvvs@...; c.curius@...; christer.edling@...








I, M. Hortensia Maior, resign from my duties and office as praetrix effective this day.


M. Hortrensia Maior




_________________________________________________________________
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Hortensia,

Cur?

Vale,

M.I.Scaeva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salve Hortensia,
>
>
>
> I take due record of your resignation below, that I regret but may understand, as a former praetor I was and in the view of the current situation and pressure you have faced these last days.
>
>
>
> I note that you will leave your office this day on Sunday midnight in your time zone (Monday 7th in Rome time).
>
>
>
> I will, from tomorrow on, consult with Praetrix Iunia and my colleague to discuss on the organization of the praetura and on the date of the election of a praetor suffectus/-a.
>
>
>
> I thank you, on behalf of our State, for the whole dedication you brought in your praetorian duties.
>
>
>
>
>
> Vale Maior,
>
>
>
>
>
> Albucius cos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:39:31 -0700
> From: rory12001@...
> Subject: Re: *URGENT* - New moderation edictum ? Application of the tribunician veto
> To: deandreaboyle@...; albucius_aoe@...; maximavaleriamessallina@...
> CC: jfarnoud94@...; castra.rota@...; corvvs@...; c.curius@...; christer.edling@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I, M. Hortensia Maior, resign from my duties and office as praetrix effective this day.
>
>
> M. Hortrensia Maior
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Découvrez Windows Phone 7 : Une nouvelle ère de téléphones !
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Sic semper tyrannis.

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salve Hortensia,
>
>
>
> I take due record of your resignation below, that I regret but may understand, as a former praetor I was and in the view of the current situation and pressure you have faced these last days.
>
>
>
> I note that you will leave your office this day on Sunday midnight in your time zone (Monday 7th in Rome time).
>
>
>
> I will, from tomorrow on, consult with Praetrix Iunia and my colleague to discuss on the organization of the praetura and on the date of the election of a praetor suffectus/-a.
>
>
>
> I thank you, on behalf of our State, for the whole dedication you brought in your praetorian duties.
>
>
>
>
>
> Vale Maior,
>
>
>
>
>
> Albucius cos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:39:31 -0700
> From: rory12001@...
> Subject: Re: *URGENT* - New moderation edictum ? Application of the tribunician veto
> To: deandreaboyle@...; albucius_aoe@...; maximavaleriamessallina@...
> CC: jfarnoud94@...; castra.rota@...; corvvs@...; c.curius@...; christer.edling@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I, M. Hortensia Maior, resign from my duties and office as praetrix effective this day.
>
>
> M. Hortrensia Maior
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Découvrez Windows Phone 7 : Une nouvelle ère de téléphones !
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/fr-fr/cmpn1/windowsphone7series/default.mspx
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Catoni sen. omnibusque s.d.



You probably understood that various discussions were on, inside the government, concerning the complex situation created by the several publication of praetorian measures. Both the tribunate and the consulate tried to find the best as possible and nevertheless perfectly legal solution that could guarantee the auctoritas of the praetura and of its imperium, the definitive binding force of the tribunician veto, and the attention brought by the consulate to the respect of the rights of the citizens.



You may have seen, in the last hour, that Praetrix Hortensia decided to resign.



This resignation, as you will understand it, modifies the current discussions and requires a last additional dialogue with Praetrix Iunia, that will be held this Monday. This day will thus, probably, be necessary for the last adjustments. Thanks for your understanding.



Whatever, I have officially and solemnly asked the Praetura to put an end, from tomorrow on, to every unjustified moderation, and, specially, to senator's Cato's one, now that the tribunician veto issued the collective and definitive position of the tribunate on this matter.



I consider this episod, around G. Equitius Cato's moderation(s), as over, and thank you by advance to contribute to bring back what makes our Forum a most interesting place, shared by all, citizens and guests, whatever their opinions or interests: its documented discussions, reports of experiences, meetings, exchanges in and on Latin, etc..



Vale Equiti et valete omnes,





P. Memmius Albucius

consul

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M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus Scaevaeque spd;

The quirites elected me to maintain the forum; to make it a place where all cives can meet, converse, live Roman lives. If I am prevented from maintaining order by an obsessive and unRoman legalism, then I cannot do my job, & it is better to be an honest person, say so and resign.

this is a responsa below from my friend A. Apollonius Cordus, about my difficulties

" Yes, I can imagine the sort of trouble you must have had with moderating the lists. It shows how deeply and pedantically legalistic Nova Róma's culture has become, and that's unarguably a direct result of the fact that from the very beginning legislation has been used as a tool for getting people to behave in a more Roman way. Which has, of course, utterly failed because what it's principally achieved is getting people to behave in a very pedantically legalistic way, which is not Roman political culture. The majórés could be pedantic and legalistic *when it suited them*, but mostly they argued political issues on moral principal and practical expediency, not on conformity with written law."
May the gods favour Nova Roma!
may Fortuna be propitious to me!
M. Hortensia Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "John Citron" <johnnormancitron@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Hortensia,
>
> Cur?
>
> Vale,
>
> M.I.Scaeva
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Salve Hortensia,
> >
> >
> >
> > I take due record of your resignation below, that I regret but may understand, as a former praetor I was and in the view of the current situation and pressure you have faced these last days.
> >
> >
> >
> > I note that you will leave your office this day on Sunday midnight in your time zone (Monday 7th in Rome time).
> >
> >
> >
> > I will, from tomorrow on, consult with Praetrix Iunia and my colleague to discuss on the organization of the praetura and on the date of the election of a praetor suffectus/-a.
> >
> >
> >
> > I thank you, on behalf of our State, for the whole dedication you brought in your praetorian duties.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Vale Maior,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Albucius cos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:39:31 -0700
> > From: rory12001@
> > Subject: Re: *URGENT* - New moderation edictum ? Application of the tribunician veto
> > To: deandreaboyle@; albucius_aoe@; maximavaleriamessallina@
> > CC: jfarnoud94@; castra.rota@; corvvs@; c.curius@; christer.edling@
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I, M. Hortensia Maior, resign from my duties and office as praetrix effective this day.
> >
> >
> > M. Hortrensia Maior
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Découvrez Windows Phone 7 : Une nouvelle ère de téléphones !
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/fr-fr/cmpn1/windowsphone7series/default.mspx
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Salve Civibus Praetura Hortensiasque,

Hodie in Nova Roma obscurum est. Ut proditio acerbus et injustus est. In tribuno infamia nam praetura non iuvare.

Vale,

M.Iulius Scaeva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus Scaevaeque spd;
>
> The quirites elected me to maintain the forum; to make it a place where all cives can meet, converse, live Roman lives. If I am prevented from maintaining order by an obsessive and unRoman legalism, then I cannot do my job, & it is better to be an honest person, say so and resign.
>
> this is a responsa below from my friend A. Apollonius Cordus, about my difficulties
>
> " Yes, I can imagine the sort of trouble you must have had with moderating the lists. It shows how deeply and pedantically legalistic Nova Róma's culture has become, and that's unarguably a direct result of the fact that from the very beginning legislation has been used as a tool for getting people to behave in a more Roman way. Which has, of course, utterly failed because what it's principally achieved is getting people to behave in a very pedantically legalistic way, which is not Roman political culture. The majórés could be pedantic and legalistic *when it suited them*, but mostly they argued political issues on moral principal and practical expediency, not on conformity with written law."
> May the gods favour Nova Roma!
> may Fortuna be propitious to me!
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "John Citron" <johnnormancitron@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Hortensia,
> >
> > Cur?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > M.I.Scaeva
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve Hortensia,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I take due record of your resignation below, that I regret but may understand, as a former praetor I was and in the view of the current situation and pressure you have faced these last days.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I note that you will leave your office this day on Sunday midnight in your time zone (Monday 7th in Rome time).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will, from tomorrow on, consult with Praetrix Iunia and my colleague to discuss on the organization of the praetura and on the date of the election of a praetor suffectus/-a.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I thank you, on behalf of our State, for the whole dedication you brought in your praetorian duties.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale Maior,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Albucius cos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:39:31 -0700
> > > From: rory12001@
> > > Subject: Re: *URGENT* - New moderation edictum ? Application of the tribunician veto
> > > To: deandreaboyle@; albucius_aoe@; maximavaleriamessallina@
> > > CC: jfarnoud94@; castra.rota@; corvvs@; c.curius@; christer.edling@
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I, M. Hortensia Maior, resign from my duties and office as praetrix effective this day.
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Hortrensia Maior
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > Découvrez Windows Phone 7 : Une nouvelle ère de téléphones !
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/fr-fr/cmpn1/windowsphone7series/default.mspx
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Salvete;

As the subject line says...

...and yes, I am announcing before the corpse is cold.

My method, look at the totality of a man or woman's words, ask the
person directly for a clarification/correction/retraction. Assume that
all who subscribe to this list are adult (that does make a "donkey"
out of you and me sometimes) and in full possession of their
faculties, think of what is best for the Growth of Nova Roma...

I do also hereby announce I care much more for justice rather than law.

=====================================
In amicitia et fide
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.

>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Majori sal.
>
>
> Maior Leonine sd;
> I just checked your civil service record Leonine, as my fellow praetrix
> thought you didn't exist.
>
> Citizen since 2004 and civil service record for Nova Roma = 0
> http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=8034
>
> You've done nothing positive for the res publica though you possess many
> skills.
>
> ATS: This is absolutely ridiculous. Leoninus has done more for the
> promotion of Latin than a good many here, including some of your buddies.
>
> bene fecit. I admire your constant inactivity
>
>
> ATS: Your remarks are beneath contempt. Perhaps it has not crossed your
> mind that some people are shy, or too busy, to participate in NR government.
> You might as well insult Avitus because he has no such interests. Most
> citizens do not indulge in NR politics, and several of the reenactors in
> particular despise same.
>
> Leoninus rescued us when a certain pal of yours refused to repair the
> broken AT server and told us to wait TEN YEARS to resume our college-level
> courses! ONLY ten years! Tell that to any university president! Leoninus is
> kind, and patient, and always ready to help the students and faculty of our
> new school, both in his capacity as corrector and that as webmaster. That is
> a lot more than I could say about a good many others. Avitus and I are
> immensely grateful to our Man Down Under.
>
> Leoninus is shy; is that a crime? Something like being a Christian? He
> has posted more in the last couple of days than he had in several previous
> years, including when he was co-magister of Latinitas for a whole year (maybe
> you missed that, being too busy trying to post obscenity there despite the
> presence of minors, one of the reasons why you were banned). You insulted a
> good man, and a sitting censor (if memory serves) because he does not know
> Latin; now you insult another good man for knowing Latin and not participating
> in NR government. Well, maybe he¹s just mad enough now that he will
> participate...perhaps as a tribune someday. He could well be rogator, too,
> and apply right now.
>
> Maior
>
> Vale.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "csentiusleoninus" <leoninus@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Leoninus omnibus S.P.D
>> >
>> >
>> > Apparently she isn't.
>> >
>> > Hortensia, even the dumbest of creatures learns eventually.
>> >
>> > Valete optime!
>> >
>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
>> "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Cato praetores SPD
>>> > >
>>> > > You're kidding, right?
>>> > >
>>> > > Valete,
>>> > >
>>> > > Cato
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
>>> "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
>>>> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > C. Equitius Cato is hereby placed on moderated status for a period of
>>>> > > > 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested
>>>> > > > by the praetores. C. Equitius Cato is further placed on moderation
>>>> > > > for an additional 30 days for violating his May 31st penalty of 24
>>>> > > > hour moderation by posting an unmoderated message.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > This edict takes effect immediately.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Datum Nonas Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 5th) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
>>>> > > > Buteone Quintiliano II coss.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Basis:
>>>> > > > -------
>>>> > > > - Citizens have the right to expect public fora to be reasonably
>>>> > > > moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility
>>>> > > > (Constitution II B.4).
>>>> > > > - Praetores are granted the powers and duties of moderators and
>>>> > > > empowered to create and enforce policies of acceptable behavior in
>>>> > > > public fora (Lex Octavia de Sermone III).
>>>> > > > - Complaints were made concerning religious texts quoted and posted
>>>> > > > out of context by C. Equitius Cato were being perceived as
>>>> > > > proselytizing.
>>>> > > > - The praetors sent a private warning to C. Equitius Cato to keep his
>>>> > > > religious postings within historical context, etc.
>>>> > > > - C. Equitius Cato disregarded the praetorian warning and continued

to

>>>> > > > post passages of bible scripture out of historical context, and/or
>>>> > > > relevant discussion, etc.
>>>> > > > - As a result, C. Equitius Cato was placed on moderation for a period
>>>> > > > of 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as
>>>> requested,
>>>> > > > - C. Equitius Cato circumvented the penalty of 24 hour moderation by
>>>> > > > posting under another's email address,
>>>> > > > - For violating the moderation measure, C.
>>>> > > > Equitius Cato is placed under moderation for a period of 30 days.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Record:
>>>> > > > ---------
>>>> > > > March 27, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Lazarus Saturday (Message #74631)
>>>> > > > March 28, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Palm Sunday (Message #74649)
>>>> > > > March 30, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Pesach Tov! (Message
>>>> > > > #74688,74690,74703)
>>>> > > > ==========
>>>> > > > March 31, 2010 - Praetrices to C. Equitius Cato (Private)
>>>> > > > [" there have been complaints of posting of Religious texts without
>>>> > > > an historical or scholarly discussion. The usage LORD, is
>>>> > > > inflammatory, implying religious exclusivism. Please keep your posts
>>>> > > > in context."]
>>>> > > > ==========
>>>> > > > April 3, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Holy Saturday (Message #74962)
>>>> > > > May 29, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Re: In Honor of Memorial day in the
>>>> > > > USA (Message #75905)
>>>> > > > ==========
>>>> > > > May 31, 2010 - Praetrices place C. Equitius Cato on 24 hour
>>>> moderation
>>>> > > > (Private)
>>>> > > > [" G. Equitius Cato, as per II.B.4 of the Constitution, as of 23
>>>> > > > hr. Rome time will be moderated for 24 hours.
>>>> > > > you previously had been warned not to post bare religious texts on

the

>>>> > > > Main List. This is considered spam and the praetrices have received
>>>> > > > complaints of proselytizing from the quirites.
>>>> > > > We direct you to the sodalitas
>>>> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians/ where such posts will be
>>>> > > > welcome."]
>>>> > > > ==========
>>>> > > > June 1, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato violates moderation by posting
>>>> > > > an unmoderated message
>>>> > > > (Message #75945)
>>>> > > > ==========
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Equestria Iunia Laeca
>>>> > > > M. Hortensia Maior
>>>> > > > Praetrice
>>>> > > >
>>> > >
>> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in Foro S. P. D.
>
> I think it would be appropriate, here, for me to point out that Leoninus
> *does* an enormous amount of work for NR.
>
> ATS: Thank you very much for pointing this out.
>
> He is A. Tullia's teaching assistant, corrects homework assignments (as I well
> know), is available for technical magic on the course site, answers beginner
> questions with patience and care, and is a true treasure to our Latin students
> and their Magistra.
>
> ATS: Absolutely. Soon you will see just how much above and beyond the
> call of duty he has done for the students. He is indeed a treasure to all of
> us. He is as patient with Avitus and me as he is with you, the students;
> never complains and does a wonderful job. He deserves commendation from NR,
> not contempt.
>
>
> Frankly, I doubt he has much *time* to post ...to busy artistically applying
> red ink!
>
> ATS: LOL! That and whatever cybernautae do to their contraptions! I
> just finished the final revision of the Sermo I exams, and have spilled LOTS
> of red ink there, believe me! I¹ll have to put in for another new
> order...within a day or so I have to start Sermo II, and though the class is
> smaller, its exam is proportionally more difficult, so I expect that I¹ll need
> another barrel or two just to get through it. Now to post the correct answers
> and the corrected papers to the students, a long and tedious process...
>
> Valete bene,
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Julio Scaevae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> Infeliciter, Sulla linguam Latinam omnino nescit, ergo tuos commentarios
> legere nequit.
>
>
> Salve Sullae,
>
> Cato ab Nova Roma submoveri atqui videre amem. Is elementum eversionem quis
> fundamentum ipsum subruere civitatis quaerit. Cato Rhetorices tumultum facio
> et cives dissentire efficio. Ubi Cato it, chaosum semper reperitur. Cur iste
> est? Is exsulatus.
>
> ATS: Latinitatem tuam convolutam nemo Latinistarum Novae Romae bene
> intellegit, sed Catoni, sicut omnibus, manére licet. Non puto eum eversionem
> nec res novas quaerere; religionem suam defendit, sed non sicut illi
> molestissimi Testes Jehovae LDS Hari Krishna cultores alii tales. Tolerantia
> de religionibus optima est, et exercenda nisi rhetorica in tale descendat.
>
> Vale,
>
> M.I.Scaeva
>
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Robert" <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > At what point can we begin the process of removing the praetors from
>> office?
>> >
>> > I can see this farce going on every day until the end of the year. Edict
>> veto, counter edict, counter veto ad nauseum.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> >
>> > Sulla
>> >
>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
>> Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Salve,
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Seriously? Whats this NR's version of the Mad Hatter?
>>> > >
>>> > > Ridiculous.
>>> > >
>>> > > Vale,
>>> > > Aeternia
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:50 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
>>> > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
>>>> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > C. Equitius Cato is hereby placed on moderated status for a period of
>>>> > > > 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested
>>>> > > > by the praetores. C. Equitius Cato is further placed on moderation
>>>> > > > for an additional 30 days for violating his May 31st penalty of 24
>>>> > > > hour moderation by posting an unmoderated message.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > This edict takes effect immediately.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Datum Nonas Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 5th) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
>>>> > > > Buteone Quintiliano II coss.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Basis:
>>>> > > > -------
>>>> > > > - Citizens have the right to expect public fora to be reasonably
>>>> > > > moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility
>>>> > > > (Constitution II B.4).
>>>> > > > - Praetores are granted the powers and duties of moderators and
>>>> > > > empowered to create and enforce policies of acceptable behavior in
>>>> > > > public fora (Lex Octavia de Sermone III).
>>>> > > > - Complaints were made concerning religious texts quoted and posted
>>>> > > > out of context by C. Equitius Cato were being perceived as
>>>> > > > proselytizing.
>>>> > > > - The praetors sent a private warning to C. Equitius Cato to keep his
>>>> > > > religious postings within historical context, etc.
>>>> > > > - C. Equitius Cato disregarded the praetorian warning and continued

to

>>>> > > > post passages of bible scripture out of historical context, and/or
>>>> > > > relevant discussion, etc.
>>>> > > > - As a result, C. Equitius Cato was placed on moderation for a period
>>>> > > > of 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as
>>>> requested,
>>>> > > > - C. Equitius Cato circumvented the penalty of 24 hour moderation by
>>>> > > > posting under another's email address,
>>>> > > > - For violating the moderation measure, C.
>>>> > > > Equitius Cato is placed under moderation for a period of 30 days.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Record:
>>>> > > > ---------
>>>> > > > March 27, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Lazarus Saturday (Message #74631)
>>>> > > > March 28, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Palm Sunday (Message #74649)
>>>> > > > March 30, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Pesach Tov! (Message
>>>> > > > #74688,74690,74703)
>>>> > > > ==========
>>>> > > > March 31, 2010 - Praetrices to C. Equitius Cato (Private)
>>>> > > > [" there have been complaints of posting of Religious texts without
>>>> > > > an historical or scholarly discussion. The usage LORD, is
>>>> > > > inflammatory, implying religious exclusivism. Please keep your posts
>>>> > > > in context."]
>>>> > > > ==========
>>>> > > > April 3, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Holy Saturday (Message #74962)
>>>> > > > May 29, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Re: In Honor of Memorial day in the
>>>> > > > USA (Message #75905)
>>>> > > > ==========
>>>> > > > May 31, 2010 - Praetrices place C. Equitius Cato on 24 hour
>>>> moderation
>>>> > > > (Private)
>>>> > > > [" G. Equitius Cato, as per II.B.4 of the Constitution, as of 23
>>>> > > > hr. Rome time will be moderated for 24 hours.
>>>> > > > you previously had been warned not to post bare religious texts on

the

>>>> > > > Main List. This is considered spam and the praetrices have received
>>>> > > > complaints of proselytizing from the quirites.
>>>> > > > We direct you to the sodalitas
>>>> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians/ where such posts will be
>>>> > > > welcome."]
>>>> > > > ==========
>>>> > > > June 1, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato violates moderation by posting
>>>> > > > an unmoderated message
>>>> > > > (Message #75945)
>>>> > > > ==========
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Equestria Iunia Laeca
>>>> > > > M. Hortensia Maior
>>>> > > > Praetrice
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>> > >
>> >
>
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cato Maiori sal.

And yet still it is absolutely incorrect. I did *not* violate moderation by posting an unmoderated message, you dolt.

It looks as if you are simply throwing one thing after another without any thought or rationale simply to attack me. Not to further the goals of the Respublica or help her citizens, but simply as a personal attack on me using your office as a club.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Quiritibus spd,
>
> Laeca feeling tired and pressed didn't omit the references to using another account. And it was so late when I looked at it last night I didn't see them.
>
> Sentius Leoninus has nothing to do with this business. Though it would be nice if a civis who is a good latinist actually particpated in ML discussions. I'm sure he has many positive things to say and do..
>
>
> Anyway the new edict has been suitably edited. And shouldn't pose a problem for the tribunes. My apologies to them and my thanks for their patience.
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato praetores SPD
> >
> > You're kidding, right?
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > C. Equitius Cato is hereby placed on moderated status for a period of
> > > 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested
> > > by the praetores. C. Equitius Cato is further placed on moderation
> > > for an additional 30 days for violating his May 31st penalty of 24
> > > hour moderation by posting an unmoderated message.
> > >
> > > This edict takes effect immediately.
> > >
> > > Datum Nonas Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 5th) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
> > > Buteone Quintiliano II coss.
> > >
> > >
> > > Basis:
> > > -------
> > > - Citizens have the right to expect public fora to be reasonably
> > > moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility
> > > (Constitution II B.4).
> > > - Praetores are granted the powers and duties of moderators and
> > > empowered to create and enforce policies of acceptable behavior in
> > > public fora (Lex Octavia de Sermone III).
> > > - Complaints were made concerning religious texts quoted and posted
> > > out of context by C. Equitius Cato were being perceived as
> > > proselytizing.
> > > - The praetors sent a private warning to C. Equitius Cato to keep his
> > > religious postings within historical context, etc.
> > > - C. Equitius Cato disregarded the praetorian warning and continued to
> > > post passages of bible scripture out of historical context, and/or
> > > relevant discussion, etc.
> > > - As a result, C. Equitius Cato was placed on moderation for a period
> > > of 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested,
> > > - C. Equitius Cato circumvented the penalty of 24 hour moderation by
> > > posting under another's email address,
> > > - For violating the moderation measure, C.
> > > Equitius Cato is placed under moderation for a period of 30 days.
> > >
> > >
> > > Record:
> > > ---------
> > > March 27, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Lazarus Saturday (Message #74631)
> > > March 28, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Palm Sunday (Message #74649)
> > > March 30, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Pesach Tov! (Message
> > > #74688,74690,74703)
> > > ==========
> > > March 31, 2010 - Praetrices to C. Equitius Cato (Private)
> > > [" there have been complaints of posting of Religious texts without
> > > an historical or scholarly discussion. The usage LORD, is
> > > inflammatory, implying religious exclusivism. Please keep your posts
> > > in context."]
> > > ==========
> > > April 3, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Holy Saturday (Message #74962)
> > > May 29, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Re: In Honor of Memorial day in the
> > > USA (Message #75905)
> > > ==========
> > > May 31, 2010 - Praetrices place C. Equitius Cato on 24 hour moderation
> > > (Private)
> > > [" G. Equitius Cato, as per II.B.4 of the Constitution, as of 23
> > > hr. Rome time will be moderated for 24 hours.
> > > you previously had been warned not to post bare religious texts on the
> > > Main List. This is considered spam and the praetrices have received
> > > complaints of proselytizing from the quirites.
> > > We direct you to the sodalitas
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians/ where such posts will be
> > > welcome."]
> > > ==========
> > > June 1, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato violates moderation by posting
> > > an unmoderated message
> > > (Message #75945)
> > > ==========
> > >
> > > Equestria Iunia Laeca
> > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > Praetrice
> > >
> >
>

Salve A. Tulliae Scholasticae,

My apologies to Sulla as I did not realize his inability to parse Latin although there are a myriad of internet resources to enable just about anyone to get a basic jist.

My latin is novice but intelligible in its basic form. I have been grateful for Dexter's comments and corrections as I strive to improve.

The english version of my original post is as follows:

>Greetings to Sulla,

>I would rather see Cato removed from Nova Roma. He is a subversive >lement who seeks to undermine the very foundation of the state. >Cato's rhetoric creates confusion and dissent among the citizens. >Where Cato goes, chaos is always found. Why is that? He should be >banished.

Be well,

M.I.Scaeva

Furthermore, I do not regularly visit the ML, but every time I do, there is always a ruckus going on with Cato as the nexus. I would probably be more engaged in NR if I could actually get something out of it. Wading the the constant crap that is routinely spewed in the ML and tying to find a nugget or pearl of useful information is a tiresome exercise at best.

What NR needs is a Caesar who can reign in the fools and make something genuinely productive out of this failed experiment.

For the time being, if nothing else, I can get my poor Latin corrected. ;)

Vale,

Marcus Iulius Scaeva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica M. Julio Scaevae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> > Infeliciter, Sulla linguam Latinam omnino nescit, ergo tuos commentarios
> > legere nequit.
> >
> >
> > Salve Sullae,
> >
> > Cato ab Nova Roma submoveri atqui videre amem. Is elementum eversionem quis
> > fundamentum ipsum subruere civitatis quaerit. Cato Rhetorices tumultum facio
> > et cives dissentire efficio. Ubi Cato it, chaosum semper reperitur. Cur iste
> > est? Is exsulatus.
> >
> > ATS: Latinitatem tuam convolutam nemo Latinistarum Novae Romae bene
> > intellegit, sed Catoni, sicut omnibus, manére licet. Non puto eum eversionem
> > nec res novas quaerere; religionem suam defendit, sed non sicut illi
> > molestissimi Testes Jehovae LDS Hari Krishna cultores alii tales. Tolerantia
> > de religionibus optima est, et exercenda nisi rhetorica in tale descendat.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > M.I.Scaeva
> >
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "Robert" <l_cornelius_sulla@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > At what point can we begin the process of removing the praetors from
> >> office?
> >> >
> >> > I can see this farce going on every day until the end of the year. Edict
> >> veto, counter edict, counter veto ad nauseum.
> >> >
> >> > Vale,
> >> >
> >> > Sulla
> >> >
> >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> >> Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Salve,
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Seriously? Whats this NR's version of the Mad Hatter?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Ridiculous.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Vale,
> >>> > > Aeternia
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:50 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
> >>>> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > C. Equitius Cato is hereby placed on moderated status for a period of
> >>>> > > > 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested
> >>>> > > > by the praetores. C. Equitius Cato is further placed on moderation
> >>>> > > > for an additional 30 days for violating his May 31st penalty of 24
> >>>> > > > hour moderation by posting an unmoderated message.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > This edict takes effect immediately.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Datum Nonas Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 5th) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
> >>>> > > > Buteone Quintiliano II coss.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Basis:
> >>>> > > > -------
> >>>> > > > - Citizens have the right to expect public fora to be reasonably
> >>>> > > > moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility
> >>>> > > > (Constitution II B.4).
> >>>> > > > - Praetores are granted the powers and duties of moderators and
> >>>> > > > empowered to create and enforce policies of acceptable behavior in
> >>>> > > > public fora (Lex Octavia de Sermone III).
> >>>> > > > - Complaints were made concerning religious texts quoted and posted
> >>>> > > > out of context by C. Equitius Cato were being perceived as
> >>>> > > > proselytizing.
> >>>> > > > - The praetors sent a private warning to C. Equitius Cato to keep his
> >>>> > > > religious postings within historical context, etc.
> >>>> > > > - C. Equitius Cato disregarded the praetorian warning and continued
> to
> >>>> > > > post passages of bible scripture out of historical context, and/or
> >>>> > > > relevant discussion, etc.
> >>>> > > > - As a result, C. Equitius Cato was placed on moderation for a period
> >>>> > > > of 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as
> >>>> requested,
> >>>> > > > - C. Equitius Cato circumvented the penalty of 24 hour moderation by
> >>>> > > > posting under another's email address,
> >>>> > > > - For violating the moderation measure, C.
> >>>> > > > Equitius Cato is placed under moderation for a period of 30 days.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Record:
> >>>> > > > ---------
> >>>> > > > March 27, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Lazarus Saturday (Message #74631)
> >>>> > > > March 28, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Palm Sunday (Message #74649)
> >>>> > > > March 30, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Pesach Tov! (Message
> >>>> > > > #74688,74690,74703)
> >>>> > > > ==========
> >>>> > > > March 31, 2010 - Praetrices to C. Equitius Cato (Private)
> >>>> > > > [" there have been complaints of posting of Religious texts without
> >>>> > > > an historical or scholarly discussion. The usage LORD, is
> >>>> > > > inflammatory, implying religious exclusivism. Please keep your posts
> >>>> > > > in context."]
> >>>> > > > ==========
> >>>> > > > April 3, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Holy Saturday (Message #74962)
> >>>> > > > May 29, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Re: In Honor of Memorial day in the
> >>>> > > > USA (Message #75905)
> >>>> > > > ==========
> >>>> > > > May 31, 2010 - Praetrices place C. Equitius Cato on 24 hour
> >>>> moderation
> >>>> > > > (Private)
> >>>> > > > [" G. Equitius Cato, as per II.B.4 of the Constitution, as of 23
> >>>> > > > hr. Rome time will be moderated for 24 hours.
> >>>> > > > you previously had been warned not to post bare religious texts on
> the
> >>>> > > > Main List. This is considered spam and the praetrices have received
> >>>> > > > complaints of proselytizing from the quirites.
> >>>> > > > We direct you to the sodalitas
> >>>> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians/ where such posts will be
> >>>> > > > welcome."]
> >>>> > > > ==========
> >>>> > > > June 1, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato violates moderation by posting
> >>>> > > > an unmoderated message
> >>>> > > > (Message #75945)
> >>>> > > > ==========
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Equestria Iunia Laeca
> >>>> > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> >>>> > > > Praetrice
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>> > >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

How so very proper. A senator of NR resorting to name calling. Such a fine example he sets.

M.I.Scaeva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> And yet still it is absolutely incorrect. I did *not* violate moderation by posting an unmoderated message, you dolt.
>
> It looks as if you are simply throwing one thing after another without any thought or rationale simply to attack me. Not to further the goals of the Respublica or help her citizens, but simply as a personal attack on me using your office as a club.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Maior Quiritibus spd,
> >
> > Laeca feeling tired and pressed didn't omit the references to using another account. And it was so late when I looked at it last night I didn't see them.
> >
> > Sentius Leoninus has nothing to do with this business. Though it would be nice if a civis who is a good latinist actually particpated in ML discussions. I'm sure he has many positive things to say and do..
> >
> >
> > Anyway the new edict has been suitably edited. And shouldn't pose a problem for the tribunes. My apologies to them and my thanks for their patience.
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cato praetores SPD
> > >
> > > You're kidding, right?
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Edictum Praetorium de Moderation C. Equitius Cato
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > C. Equitius Cato is hereby placed on moderated status for a period of
> > > > 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested
> > > > by the praetores. C. Equitius Cato is further placed on moderation
> > > > for an additional 30 days for violating his May 31st penalty of 24
> > > > hour moderation by posting an unmoderated message.
> > > >
> > > > This edict takes effect immediately.
> > > >
> > > > Datum Nonas Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 5th) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
> > > > Buteone Quintiliano II coss.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Basis:
> > > > -------
> > > > - Citizens have the right to expect public fora to be reasonably
> > > > moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility
> > > > (Constitution II B.4).
> > > > - Praetores are granted the powers and duties of moderators and
> > > > empowered to create and enforce policies of acceptable behavior in
> > > > public fora (Lex Octavia de Sermone III).
> > > > - Complaints were made concerning religious texts quoted and posted
> > > > out of context by C. Equitius Cato were being perceived as
> > > > proselytizing.
> > > > - The praetors sent a private warning to C. Equitius Cato to keep his
> > > > religious postings within historical context, etc.
> > > > - C. Equitius Cato disregarded the praetorian warning and continued to
> > > > post passages of bible scripture out of historical context, and/or
> > > > relevant discussion, etc.
> > > > - As a result, C. Equitius Cato was placed on moderation for a period
> > > > of 24 hours for failing to moderate his religious postings as requested,
> > > > - C. Equitius Cato circumvented the penalty of 24 hour moderation by
> > > > posting under another's email address,
> > > > - For violating the moderation measure, C.
> > > > Equitius Cato is placed under moderation for a period of 30 days.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Record:
> > > > ---------
> > > > March 27, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Lazarus Saturday (Message #74631)
> > > > March 28, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Palm Sunday (Message #74649)
> > > > March 30, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Pesach Tov! (Message
> > > > #74688,74690,74703)
> > > > ==========
> > > > March 31, 2010 - Praetrices to C. Equitius Cato (Private)
> > > > [" there have been complaints of posting of Religious texts without
> > > > an historical or scholarly discussion. The usage LORD, is
> > > > inflammatory, implying religious exclusivism. Please keep your posts
> > > > in context."]
> > > > ==========
> > > > April 3, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Holy Saturday (Message #74962)
> > > > May 29, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato: Re: In Honor of Memorial day in the
> > > > USA (Message #75905)
> > > > ==========
> > > > May 31, 2010 - Praetrices place C. Equitius Cato on 24 hour moderation
> > > > (Private)
> > > > [" G. Equitius Cato, as per II.B.4 of the Constitution, as of 23
> > > > hr. Rome time will be moderated for 24 hours.
> > > > you previously had been warned not to post bare religious texts on the
> > > > Main List. This is considered spam and the praetrices have received
> > > > complaints of proselytizing from the quirites.
> > > > We direct you to the sodalitas
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians/ where such posts will be
> > > > welcome."]
> > > > ==========
> > > > June 1, 2010 - C. Equitius Cato violates moderation by posting
> > > > an unmoderated message
> > > > (Message #75945)
> > > > ==========
> > > >
> > > > Equestria Iunia Laeca
> > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > > Praetrice
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

FIRST INTERNATIONAL CONSULAR CONVENTUS IN ROME - URBS ROMÆ, 17-20
June 2010



We are pleased to invite members and the general public interested in
Ancient Roman culture to the First International Conventus in Rome to be
held in Rome Italy from June 17 to June 20 2010!



Rome, Italy.

Patria est communis omnium parens

~Cicero

Our native land is the common parent of us all.



Please come join us and take advantage of this valuable opportunity to
meet with others from different lands who share a common love for Rome
and for the Ancient Roman Culture.



The magic of Rome awakens all the senses as you walk her ancient streets
and discover the wonders of antiquity that remain infused in the
lifeblood of this magnificent city. She, Rome, will cast a spell that
you will readily embrace while discovering the charm and history within
her narrow streets, her cafes, her taverns, even the flowers in the
windows.



You will discover that Ancient Rome still has a foothold in the present
and is waiting for you to bring the best of her antiquity back to a
living breathing culture. Begin with this opportunity to immerse
yourself in the magnificent monuments, the fountains and architecture
that surrounds you as you tour the most ancient parts of the city.

Explore for yourself the ancient center of Rome: the wonders of the
Capitoline Hill, the citadel of Ancient Rome with its temples, forums
and markets! The Colosseum! The Palatine!

Wander about the Centro Storico where the Pantheon still stand since
being built in 27 CE – this area has been bustling for two hundred
years and with a keen eye you may discover the Temple of Hadrian, the
Pie di Marmo, and more "modern" buildings melded with ancient
Roman buildings. Can you find the Temple of Minerva? The spine of the
giant Sundial brought back from Egypt by Augustus? There is so much more
to discover in Rome!



The Seven Hills of Mother Rome are calling you!

The Gods are calling us!



This is a fortuitous occasion for all those interested in Ancient Rome,
members and non-members alike, to meet and discuss important matters
relevant to Nova Roma. This is an opportunity to learn about Nova Roma
and to speak to our leaders thereby becoming truly involved in
contributing to the goals of Nova Roma!

Let us all unite towards the dedication of the study and restoration of
ancient Roman culture!



For more information:

http://novaroma.org/nr/VII_Conventus_Novae_Romae
<http://novaroma.org/nr/VII_Conventus_Novae_Romae>



Past Conventus and Photos:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Nova_Roma_Rally_%28MMDCCLVI%29
<http://novaroma.org/nr/Nova_Roma_Rally_%28MMDCCLVI%29>

http://novaroma.org/nr/III_Conventus_Novae_Romae
<http://novaroma.org/nr/III_Conventus_Novae_Romae>

http://novaroma.org/nr/V_Conventus_Novae_Romae
<http://novaroma.org/nr/V_Conventus_Novae_Romae> (with marvelous
"recollections)

http://novaroma.org/nr/VI_Conventus_Novae_Romae
<http://novaroma.org/nr/VI_Conventus_Novae_Romae>





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Ave Scaeva,

> Hodie in Nova Roma obscurum est.

Arcoili quoque, nubilum radii solis non transeunt et omnia obscura sunt.

Sicut Vergilius cecinit:
"Ibant obscuri sola sub nocte per umbram..."

> Ut proditio acerbus et injustus est.

Summum jus summa injuria.

> In tribuno infamia nam praetura non iuvare.

Tribunis, quamvis dura sit, lex constituva sequenda est.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. VII Idus Iunias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

C. Petronius Juliae Aquilae s.p.d.,

If I come to Rome by train at the station Termini between 10:00 a.m. and 02:00 p.m. on June 17, where I will find our fellow NR citizens? Do we have a meeting point somewhere?

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. VII Idus Iunias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in Foro S. P. D.
>
> First, I think the Tribunes for their swift and decisive action. It is
> extremely to see an active, vibrant and concerned tribunate.
>
> ATS: Indeed.
>
> One of the things that drew me to Nova Roma was that it was reconstructing,
> and using, a system based closely on ancient Roman law. I found (and find)
> it fascinating to watch this system in action, and to learn about it by
> doing so, and by participating in its working.
>
> ATS: I also find this one of the most interesting elements of NR. I have
> learnt far more about Roman government by being here and watching things
> unfold (and participating) than I had in my assorted courses on similar
> topics. It is indeed fascinating.
>
>
>
> I do not want another legal
> system ...we are Nova Romans, and while sometimes the ways in which our laws
> do things seem tortuous and confusing, ultimately they work ...and as we
> learn to effective use that system, and refine its reconstruction, it will
> work more effectively. It would be so easy to slip back into the "comfort
> zone" of modern jurisprudence ...and so very unfortunate, because it take us
> ne step (one irreparable step) from our goal of rebuilding Rome in the
> modern world. (and no, I don't mean the city of Rome, which already exists
> and is thriving. I use Rome here as merely a "verbal" short cut.)
>
> What we are observing now is our legal system, functioning, and all of us,
> including, I suspect, those who are performing the necessary actins
> involved, are also learning, sometimes very quickly and in the wee hours of
> the morning, how what needs to be done needs to be done. this, *this* is
> Nova Roma!
>
> ATS: Things tend to happen in the wee hours of the morning...at least
> from the perspective of this side of the water. ;-)
>
> Respectfully,
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>

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>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae Cn. Cornelio Lentulo optimis suís
> quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> C. Maria Caeca Lentulo Scholasticae, omnibusque S. P. D.
>
> My error, and I apologize. I honestly thought it was the policy on this list
> ...if it isn't ...then please forgive my error.
>
> ATS: No, it isn¹t; perhaps you were confused by the policy on some other
> list, or by remarks someone may have made somewhere. Government documents
> must appear in English, and should be translated into the various national
> languages as well as Latin, but other posts need not be translated.
>
> Respectfully,
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> Vale, et valete.
>

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>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Equestriae Juniae Laecae quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> I have been rather occupied correcting the final examination for the large
> Sermo Latinus I course, and was unable to answer this in a more timely
> fashion.
>
>
> Equestria Iunia Laeca omnibusque sal.
>
> Just for the record, my illness is an immune system disorder, NOT
> acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS). I am being treated for it
> and will make a full recovery. I am saddened by the conclusion Diana
> jumped to without any facts and would appreciate an apology. We are
> all members of this great organization, though we are first, all human.
>
>
> ATS: I am very sorry to learn of your illness, and wish you a speedy and
> complete recovery. I, too, cannot conceive of why anyone would automatically
> believe that any autoimmune disease or other immune system problem is
> referable to AIDS, but then when I mentioned that someone needed [health care]
> aides, the party I addressed assumed that the person in question had AIDS, and
> wondered how this elderly person had acquired that horrible disease. Perhaps
> the literacy volunteers will have to expand their programs. Of course,
> locking the idiot box in a garret until the youngest child is old enough to
> vote might be a very good measure in that direction. One of my former
> neighbors doesn¹t even have the contraption...
>
> Many and various are the autoimmune diseases...
>
> Vale.
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2010, at 4:25 AM, Diana Octavia Aventina wrote:
>
>> > Salve Praetrix,
>> >
>> > If you had a cold you should be doing your job in NR. But you have
>> > AIDS
>> > instead, then my prayers go with you.
>> > I truly wish you the best. I've had 2 friends die of Aids and it is a
>> > terrible thing. The good news is that there is a lot of medication
>> > that
>> > really helps slow down the disease.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> > Diana
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Deandrea Boyle" <deandreaboyle@...
>> <mailto:deandreaboyle%40me.com> >
>> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 12:12 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] My thoughts for Pr. Iunia
>> >
>> >
>>> >> Equestria sal.
>>> >>
>>> >> I extend my deep appreciation to those on this list that have wished
>>> >> me well with my health issue. I am being treated for an immune system
>>> >> disorder and making progress. And special thanks to my colleague
>>> >> Maior who was doing me the favor of downplaying my illness a bit to
>>> >> avoid unnecessary concern by those who would potentially worry more
>>> >> than may be warranted.
>>> >>
>>> >> I am here and working on the current issue. To those that feel this
>>> >> is
>>> >> a "crisis" to such an extreme extent (i.e. Diana et Aeternia) that my
>>> >> health, or that of anyone's within this organization, regardless of
>>> >> who they are, should be compromised to jump to your will, I envy your
>>> >> good health and pray that you continue to never have a difficult day
>>> >> in your lives.
>
>

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Salvete omnes



Archaeologists are excavating the remains of gladiators discovered in
Eboracum (York - Britannia).



News item attached:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1284496/Skeletons-80-glad\
iators-slaughtered-crowds-unearthed-York.html
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1284496/Skeletons-80-gla\
diators-slaughtered-crowds-unearthed-York.html>



Valete omnes

Crispus





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>
> A. Tullia Scholastica P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salvete;
>
> As the subject line says...
>
> ...and yes, I am announcing before the corpse is cold.
>
> My method, look at the totality of a man or woman's words, ask the
> person directly for a clarification/correction/retraction.
>
>
> ATS: Good idea.
>
>
> Assume that
> all who subscribe to this list are adult
>
>
> ATS: This, however, is not true. Not all ML subscribers are adult.
> This is not a restricted magisterial or adults-only list such as the BA.
> There are minors here, some of whom are quite young, and, of course, they are
> not Roman citizens as a rule since we no longer allow even high schoolers to
> become citizens any more. Inter alia, their interests are too labile; several
> waxed hot for a year or two, then settled back into the CC armchairs or
> vanished altogether.
>
> And then there are those who are technically adult, but act like overgrown
> and furry two year olds...
>
>
> (that does make a "donkey"
> out of you and me sometimes) and in full possession of their
> faculties, think of what is best for the Growth of Nova Roma...
>
> I do also hereby announce I care much more for justice rather than law.
>
>
> ATS: A fine sentiment...but we must obey the law. If memory serves, the
> Lex Salicia forbids punitive moderation for more than two months...and it¹s
> always good to have a truly valid reason for applying it even for the shortest
> period.
>
> =====================================
> In amicitia et fide
> Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> ATS
>
>

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Salvete

I find the cognitive dissonance here just a bit too much to take. Maior writes that she was "prevented from maintaining order by an obsessive and unRoman legalism". Come again? She was the one who tried to use legal procedures to stifle free speech on the forum. She's the one who issued edicts, instruments of law, to get people to not talk about things she didn't want them to. Perhaps it never would have come to this if she had NOT resorted to legalism, issuing edicts left, right and centre.

Maior seems to take Albucius's comment "from the very beginning legislation has been used as a tool for getting people to behave in a more Roman way" as somehow supporting her. I don't quite understand that, since what he is describing above is EXACTLY what Maior has been doing: Using "legislation as a tool for getting people to behave in a more Roman way" - in her attempts to silence anyone who was talking about something she did not consider "Roman" enough for the ML, or end discussions that weren't "Roman" enough for her. And in these cases she resorted to the very LEGALISM she decries, by acting ex officio and often issuing edicts.

It is Maior's obsession with legalism that has forced those who care for the res publica, yes, even her friends, to use legal means to oppose her acts. Not because they are obsessed with the law, but simply because Maior took things into the legal sphere by issuing edicts, and the only way to counter these is by other legal procedures.

It makes no sense to complain of rampant legalism when the legal fracas only exists because of Maior's own trigger-happy legalism.

Bene valete,

L Cornelius Cicero

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus Scaevaeque spd;
>
> The quirites elected me to maintain the forum; to make it a place where all cives can meet, converse, live Roman lives. If I am prevented from maintaining order by an obsessive and unRoman legalism, then I cannot do my job, & it is better to be an honest person, say so and resign.
>
> this is a responsa below from my friend A. Apollonius Cordus, about my difficulties
>
> " Yes, I can imagine the sort of trouble you must have had with moderating the lists. It shows how deeply and pedantically legalistic Nova Róma's culture has become, and that's unarguably a direct result of the fact that from the very beginning legislation has been used as a tool for getting people to behave in a more Roman way. Which has, of course, utterly failed because what it's principally achieved is getting people to behave in a very pedantically legalistic way, which is not Roman political culture. The majórés could be pedantic and legalistic *when it suited them*, but mostly they argued political issues on moral principal and practical expediency, not on conformity with written law."
> May the gods favour Nova Roma!
> may Fortuna be propitious to me!
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "John Citron" <johnnormancitron@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Hortensia,
> >
> > Cur?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > M.I.Scaeva
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve Hortensia,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I take due record of your resignation below, that I regret but may understand, as a former praetor I was and in the view of the current situation and pressure you have faced these last days.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I note that you will leave your office this day on Sunday midnight in your time zone (Monday 7th in Rome time).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will, from tomorrow on, consult with Praetrix Iunia and my colleague to discuss on the organization of the praetura and on the date of the election of a praetor suffectus/-a.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I thank you, on behalf of our State, for the whole dedication you brought in your praetorian duties.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale Maior,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Albucius cos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:39:31 -0700
> > > From: rory12001@
> > > Subject: Re: *URGENT* - New moderation edictum ? Application of the tribunician veto
> > > To: deandreaboyle@; albucius_aoe@; maximavaleriamessallina@
> > > CC: jfarnoud94@; castra.rota@; corvvs@; c.curius@; christer.edling@
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I, M. Hortensia Maior, resign from my duties and office as praetrix effective this day.
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Hortrensia Maior
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
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> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Curate ut valeatis, et Di vos servent.

Hodie est ante diem VII Eidus Iuniae; haec dies religiosus est: Vesta apertit; Ludi Piscatorii.

Temple of Vesta opened.

Two days before the Vestalia, the inner most chamber of the Temple of Vesta was opened. This inner sanctum, called the penus, remained opened until 15 June when the temple was again purified. These days are dies religiosi (Festus s. v. penus). "For those days are called religiosi which are ill-famed and hampered by an evil omen, so that on them one must refrain from offering sacrifice or beginning any new business whatever; they are, namely, the days that the ignorant multitude falsely and improperly call nefasti (Gellius, Noctes Atticae 4.9.5)." Religiosum refers to acts or to things "made by men without permission, that is, without the expressed will of the Gods (C. Aelius Gallus, De Significatione Verborum Quae ad Ius Civile Pertinent; GRF Aelius 18; Fest. p.278b.15)." In one sense religiosum refers to whatever is prohibited because it exceeds the norms of Roman religious practices, and is thus superstition, and thus pollutes or vitiates sacred rites. In another connotation, religiosum is distinguished from what is held to be sacrum. "Sacra are those things consecrated to the (celestial) Gods; things that are religiosum are dedicated to the Di Inferi (Gaius, Institutiones Iustiniani II. 1-11)."

First we may note that on these days the flamenica Dialis was not permitted to have sexual relations with her husband, but instead took on mourning dress, and since both were needed to be present at confarreationes, her absence on these days, being in the Temple of Vesta with other matrons, meant that marriages in general were not performed at this time. Marriages were nefas, not permitted, during the festival of the Virgin Vesta. That is one aspect of religiosum.

Only matrons were permitted to come to the temple, and only on these days. No men were ever permitted into the Temple of Vesta, except the Pontifex Maximus, and there is some question as to whether even he was prohibited from the penus. No men, no women, other than matrons, at this time; this also is religiosum.

"As Pontifex Maximus Metellus was on his way to the district of Tusculum, two ravens two ravens flew at his face as though to stop his progress. However he took no notice of this augury and kept going. The birds started to tear at each other with their claws and peck with their beaks. Wondering then, Metellus returned home. That night the Temple of Vesta caught fire. In the conflagration Metellus seized the Palladium from the midst of the flames and saved it intact." ~ Valerius Maximus 1.4.5

However, the other part of this story is that Metellus was blinded for having entered Vesta's inner sanctum where no man is allowed, in spite of his having been Pontifex Maximus.

The matrons came barefoot to the Temple of Vesta. Each day of the festival they brought offerings of simple food on plain, old-fashioned ware to the temple. The Vestales offered sacred cakes and may have also been those who sacrificed the offerings brought by the matrons, if not by the women themselves.

This time also saw millers and bakers celebrating. Part of the festival saw donkeys decorated with wreathes made of loaves of bread. Donkeys are the sacred animal of Vesta. Ovid tells a tale where, during a banquet of the Gods, Vesta went off to sleep. Priapus tried to rape Her, but She was warned by the braying of a donkey.

The penus held the most sacred articles of Rome. Among them was the Palladium said to have been brought by Aeneas from Ilium. This may relate to these days being held religiosum in another way. First, although we associate Vesta with the sacred fire of the hearth, this hearth, as the center of the house, relates to the axis mundi, and Vesta is at times identified as Earth. As fire and as earth She receives the bodies of the dead, and through this relates to the Di inferni. Also the items stored in Her temple, some brought by Aeneas, as it was thought, would mean that She was the guardian of the Penates, who would be identified with Di inferni. Lastly, the penus in the Temple of Vesta was possibly an underground chamber, as with Ops and Consus, for we see in a story told by Livy how some of these sacred objects were otherwise hidden underground during the Gallic sack of Rome. This, too, would relate Vesta to the Di inferni, and thus to what is religiosum.

"While all this was going on, the Flamen of Quirinus and the Vestal virgins, without giving a thought to their own property, were deliberating as to which of the sacred things they ought to take with them, and which to leave behind, since they had not strength enough to carry all, and also what place would be the safest for their custody. They thought best to conceal what they could not take in earthen jars and bury them under the chapel next to the Flamen's house, where spitting is now forbidden. The rest they divided amongst them and carried off, taking the road which leads by the Pons Sublicius to the Janiculum. Whilst ascending that hill they were seen by L. Albinius, a Roman plebeian who with the rest of the crowd who were unfit for war was leaving the City. Even in that critical hour the distinction between sacred and profane was not forgotten. He had his wife and children with him in a wagon, and it seemed to him an act of impiety for him and his family to be seen in a vehicle whilst the national priests should be trudging along on foot, bearing the sacred vessels of Rome. He ordered his wife and children to get down, put the virgins and their sacred burden in the wagon, and drove them to Caere, their destination." ~ Titus Livius 5.40.7-10


Ludi Piscatorii

Today also saw a celebration for the genius of the River Tiber, Tiberius. Games were held in the river itself, near the Temple of Volcanus in the Campus Martius (Festus p. 238M; Ovid, Fasti 6.237-240). The Praetor urbanus conducted the games, which were sponsored by the guilds of fishermen and urine collectors (CIL 6.1872: corporis piscatorum et / urinatorum). The catch of the fisherman were brought to the Temple of Volcanus where the fish were sacrificed to Volcanus (Festus p. 345L). These games were related to the Tibernalia held on 17 August by the same two guilds. For the Volcanalia, 23 August, Varro said that the people would bless their animals by having them pass over the sacred fire of Volcanus, in similar fashion as occurred at Palilia (Lingua Latinae 6.20). This has been misinterpreted to mean that sacrificial animals were led into the fire of Volcanus and burned alive. It has been further interpreted as though the fish caught at the Ludi Piscatorii and at Tibernalia were likewise tossed into the flames alive as a sacrifice. These are two very different rituals and thus they should not be confused with one another. Fish, representing water, would seem as natural to offer Volcanus as pigs for Ceres was explained by Ovid because they uprooted Her crops, or as goats were to Liber because they destroyed His vines.

While the matrons were away at the Temple of Vesta, and the fishermen were busy in their games on the river, spectators in the Campus Martius were busy in their own entertainment, as Ovid relates. "Often revelers, returning on the City's waters, sang and attacked boatmen with drunken words" (Ovid, Fasti 6.407-408). They must have made it a profitable day for the urine collectors. Urine was an important commodity for the cloth industry; it was used in making dyes, and in bleaching cloth, especially the toga candida worn by candidates for political office.


Our thought for today is from the Vatican Sayings of Epicurus 21.

"We must not force Nature but persuade her. We shall persuade her if we satisfy the necessary desires and also those bodily desires that do not harm us while sternly rejecting those that are harmful."

Vestalia starts today, but for me it is a sad day. I am sick at heart over everything that has transpired these past few days in Nova Roma, and very sad - sad for my friend, Hortensia Maior, sad for my friend, Iunia Laeca, sad for Nova Roma. All three are dear to me and all three are in distress in one form or another, but to all three, despite my sadness, I remain and continue as dedicated and as loyal to as I have always been and always will be - as a Vestal, as a Tribune, as a friend.
 
Amica tua sempre,
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis
Tribuna Plebis


 
 
<<--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

Salve Hortensia,

I take due record of your resignation below, that I regret but may understand, as a former praetor I was and in the view of the current situation and pressure you have faced these last days.

I note that you will leave your office this day on Sunday midnight in your time zone (Monday 7th in Rome time).

I will, from tomorrow on, consult with Praetrix Iunia and my colleague to discuss on the organization of the praetura and on the date of the election of a praetor suffectus/-a.

I thank you, on behalf of our State, for the whole dedication you brought in your praetorian duties.

Vale Maior,

Albucius cos.>>

>>>Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:39:31 -0700

I, M. Hortensia Maior, resign from my duties and office as praetrix effective this day.


M. Hortrensia Maior<<<




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Salve Dextero,

Nuntium tuum apprecio.

Quis verba arcoili et constituva sunt? Anglici verba parare potes?

Vale,

M.Iulius Scaeva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Scaeva,
>
> > Hodie in Nova Roma obscurum est.
>
> Arcoili quoque, nubilum radii solis non transeunt et omnia obscura sunt.
>
> Sicut Vergilius cecinit:
> "Ibant obscuri sola sub nocte per umbram..."
>
> > Ut proditio acerbus et injustus est.
>
> Summum jus summa injuria.
>
> > In tribuno infamia nam praetura non iuvare.
>
> Tribunis, quamvis dura sit, lex constituva sequenda est.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> A. d. VII Idus Iunias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

Salve Dextero,

Nuntium tuum apprecio.

Quis verba arcoili et constituva sunt? Anglici verba parare potes?

Vale,

M.Iulius Scaeva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Scaeva,
>
> > Hodie in Nova Roma obscurum est.
>
> Arcoili quoque, nubilum radii solis non transeunt et omnia obscura sunt.
>
> Sicut Vergilius cecinit:
> "Ibant obscuri sola sub nocte per umbram..."
>
> > Ut proditio acerbus et injustus est.
>
> Summum jus summa injuria.
>
> > In tribuno infamia nam praetura non iuvare.
>
> Tribunis, quamvis dura sit, lex constituva sequenda est.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> A. d. VII Idus Iunias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

<<--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
Cato Maiori sal.

And yet still it is absolutely incorrect. I did *not* violate moderation by posting an unmoderated message, you dolt.

It looks as if you are simply throwing one thing after another without any thought or rationale simply to attack me. Not to further the goals of the Respublica or help her citizens, but simply as a personal attack on me using your office as a club.>>
 
 
 
 
It may be the start of Vestalia today, and perhaps because it is the start of Vestalia today, and maybe because I know I speak for many, many Citizens, but mostly because I am sick at heart that we lost a good person over the likes of you; however, I am only going to say this once...
Shut up, Cato. Please just shut up.We have had enough of you and we are all sick of you, so please just shut your ugly mouth up. Thank you.
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis




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Who did we lose?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
> <<--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> And yet still it is absolutely incorrect. I did *not* violate moderation by posting an unmoderated message, you dolt.
>
> It looks as if you are simply throwing one thing after another without any thought or rationale simply to attack me. Not to further the goals of the Respublica or help her citizens, but simply as a personal attack on me using your office as a club.>>
>  
>  
>  
>  
> It may be the start of Vestalia today, and perhaps because it is the start of Vestalia today, and maybe because I know I speak for many, many Citizens, but mostly because I am sick at heart that we lost a good person over the likes of you; however, I am only going to say this once...
> Shut up, Cato. Please just shut up.We have had enough of you and we are all sick of you, so please just shut your ugly mouth up. Thank you.
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salvete omnes,

Today may be, if we wear narrow political glasses or keep being prisoners of the tension this Forum has lived during the last nundina, either a sad or a rejoicing day.

Whatever, our Forum still exists, our Praetura too, and what we should avoid yesterday, by a basic respect of each other, must still be avoided today.

I heard a few recent unhappy words that must not be developed now nor answered to, once the first emotions expressed.

Be positive: express your sympathy, honor the courageous decisions, applaud what you may consider as the reward of Law, thank your supports and networks, etc., but keep your dignitas, Quirites! :-)

Valete sincerely,


P. Memmius Albucius
consul

Good advice, consul.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Today may be, if we wear narrow political glasses or keep being prisoners of the tension this Forum has lived during the last nundina, either a sad or a rejoicing day.
>
> Whatever, our Forum still exists, our Praetura too, and what we should avoid yesterday, by a basic respect of each other, must still be avoided today.
>
> I heard a few recent unhappy words that must not be developed now nor answered to, once the first emotions expressed.
>
> Be positive: express your sympathy, honor the courageous decisions, applaud what you may consider as the reward of Law, thank your supports and networks, etc., but keep your dignitas, Quirites! :-)
>
> Valete sincerely,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> consul
>

Ave Scaeva,

> Quis verba arcoili et constituva sunt? Anglici verba parare potes?

"Arcoili" significat oppidum Arcoilum in casu locativo.
[Londinium, Londinii,Roma, Romae...]

Arcoilum oppidum incolo quod "Arcueil" Francogallice dicitur, cujus longitudo 48° 48' ad Septemtrionen, latitudoque 2° 20' ad Orientem est, prope Lutetiam Parisiorum caput Galliae.

Constituvam scripsi sed oportebat me "constitutivam" scribere. Lex enim constitutiva, ut Novae Romae dici solitum est, Anglice "Constitution" est.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. VII Idus Iunias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Ave Scaeva,

> longitudo 48° 48' ad Septemtrionen, latitudoque 2° 20' ad Orientem

Da venias...
latitudo 48° 48' ad Septemtrionem et longitudo 2° 20' ad Orientem...

:o)

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. VII Idus Iunias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

V Rutilia Enodia omnibus SPD


Have any of you read of the Romans using dog carts? A friend of mine has a wonderful Mastiff with whom she does carting, and while I know of other cultures that use dogs for this purpose, I don't recall ever reading of the Romans doing so. Any ideas?

Valete,
Enodia

I formally withdraw my resignation and will return to my duties as praetrix. My resignation was sent privately as a result of frustration and posted without my permission.
it is the Vestalia; let us honour Vesta Mater
M. Hortensia Maior, Praetrix

Salvete Omnes et salve M. Hortensia,

I am afraid any registration of a magistracy is immediate. There is no grace period to rescind such a resignation.

Valete,

Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> I formally withdraw my resignation and will return to my duties as praetrix. My resignation was sent privately as a result of frustration and posted without my permission.
> it is the Vestalia; let us honour Vesta Mater
> M. Hortensia Maior, Praetrix
>

I did not write or post any resignation. Albucius only speaks for himself, certainly he did not have my permission to post a private letter.

I wrote a private letter of frustration & that's all. Which is why I just posted on the ML. I'm not going to argue you with you or anyone else. It's a timewaster. Nice to see you are here Laenas, helping the res publica.
vale Maior


So no resignation!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes et salve M. Hortensia,
>
> I am afraid any registration of a magistracy is immediate. There is no grace period to rescind such a resignation.
>
> Valete,
>
> Laenas
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > I formally withdraw my resignation and will return to my duties as praetrix. My resignation was sent privately as a result of frustration and posted without my permission.
> > it is the Vestalia; let us honour Vesta Mater
> > M. Hortensia Maior, Praetrix
> >
>

Edictum cons. Memmium call for candidacies to the Praetura minor
(de petitione praeturae minoris)


In view of :

- the Constitution of Nova Roma (http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Current_constitution %28Nova_Roma%29), especially its article IV.A.;
- the laws of Nova Roma, especially Minucia Moravia de eiuratione magistratum, Vedia de cursu honorum, Vedia de assiduis et capite censis (modified), Iunia de magistratuum aetate, et Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum ;
- the resignation duly presented to Consul Memmius by Pr. minor M. Hortensia Maior on a.d. VIII Idus Iunias 17:39:31 tempus universalis - 07h, and duly recorded and published by the consul on a.d. VII Idus Iunias 03:11 tempus Romae;
- the mos maiorum, which does not forbid using the grammatical form of the masculine in order to address a situation where both human genders are concerned, both feminine and masculine;

Considering that :


the vacancy of the praetura minor having been stated, it is necessary, for a good administration of the Republic, to fill as soon as possible the praetura minor;

according Nova Roma laws, the new elected praetor minor wiil be a �praetor suffectus�;



for these reasons, I, P. Memmius Albucius, consul for year 2763 a.u.c., issue the present edict:


Article 1:

Every citizen of Nova Roma who intends running for the suffecta praetura minor shall present her/his candidacy in the conditions set by the article 2.
The call to order of the concerned Comitia centuriata will be issued in a second time, once the auspices taken and reported, and the technical state of our electoral system checked.



Article 2:

Every interested candidate will fulfill, in order to be declared admissible for the praetura, in conformity by Nova Roma laws, the following legal conditions:
1/ The conditions set by leges Vediae:



being registered as a �citizen in good standing� of Nova Roma since six (6) months at least;

being assiduus /-a at the hour of entry in office, i.e. having paid at this time, the annual fee defined by the Senate for 2763 auc, and in the conditions defined by Novaroman laws;

having completed, at worst on the day of entry in the suffecta praetura minor, at least six (6) months of a term in one ordinary magistracy or in the position of provincial governor, and not having resigned of this position.



2/ The conditions set by lex Iunia on the age of the candidate:


being at least 25 years old;

if the candidate does not fulfill this age condition, to:


present the presiding Consul a request for age exemption


obtain, before the opening of the comitia, both approval of:


both censors


the Senate through a senatus consultum voted at two thirds (2/3) majority.




3/ The formal conditions relative to the record of the candidacy:


either having presented a spontaneous candidacy before the publication of the present edict - either directly to one of the consuls, or in one of Nova Roma public fora. Are thus considered as fulfilling these formal recording conditions cives P. Ullerius Venator and Q. Fabius Maximus, whose candidacy will however be checked towards the other legal conditions.


Or sending to the presiding consul, after the publication of the present edict, the candidacy:



before next We June 16th (a.d. XVI Kal. Sext. 2763 auc), 6:01 p.m., Rome time,


at albucius_aoe@... with a copy for christer.edling@... ,


including:


the candidate's tria nomina,

her/his clear intention to run for the suffecta praetura minor,

in the title of the letter, the head �Petitio praetura�.






Article 3:
For the best information of the citizenry, Consul Memmius, as far as he is concerned in the frame of his office, will not support, considering the characteristics of the concerned magistracy, any age exemption.



Article 4:

By this edict, I officially request the Magister Collegii Augurum, to appoint, according the rules of the Collegium Augurum, an augur in order to take the auspices for the concerned comitia, which will be convened on one of the following possible dates, among which the appointed augur is hereby required to propose the most appropriate for the Gods:


June 24th or

June 25th or

June 26th or

June 27th




If, for any reason, an augur may not be appointed for these auspices before next June 14th or if, similarly, the auspices could not been taken and reported to the presiding consul no later than June 18th, the presiding consul willl take himself the auspices for this session of the comitia centuriata and thus define the most appropriate date for the comitia.



Article 5:


This edict takes effect immediately.



Article 6:


Every Nova Roman public officer shall, as far as their duties require, enforce the present edict, which will be published in the Tabularium Novae Romae and in Nova Roma relevant internet 'discussion' lists.



Datum a.d. VII idus Iunias 2763 a.u.c. (June 7th 2010) P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio Buteone Quintiliano II coss..

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Salve M. Hortensia,

The resignation does not have to be public or posted on the ML. Here is the relevant portion of the Minucia de eiuratione magistratum.

IV. A tendered resignation from an elected office becomes legal and binding once receipt of same is acknowledged to the resigning Magistrate by an appropriate presiding official (defined below) of the comitia by which he or she was elected.

B.i. Resignations of offices elected in the Comitia Populi Tributa or the Comitia Centuriata are to be tendered in writing to the Consuls, or in the presence of three or more citizens,who shall acknowledge and communicate receipt of the resignation to the Consuls. Once advised of the resignation, the Consuls shall respond in writing within 24 hours to the resigning magistrate in order to acknowledge the tendered resignation, and a vacancy of that office is thereby legally established.

Also, the Consul was merely fulfilling his duty when he posted your resignation to the ML:

VI. The presiding comitia magistrate who lawfully acknowledges receipt of a resignation of office to the tendering magistrate as detailed in Ai and Bi, shall be responsible for communicating this information to the Censors, the Magister Aranearius and the citizenry via public fora within 48 hours.

I'm sorry, but you have resigned by writing to the Consul and by his acknowledgment. I ask the Consuls to ensure that M. Hortensia is removed from any moderator privileges on this list.

Vale et valete,

C. Popillius Laenas

Salve Messallinae,

Bene dicet!

Vale,

M.Iulius Scaeva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
> <<--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> And yet still it is absolutely incorrect. I did *not* violate moderation by posting an unmoderated message, you dolt.
>
> It looks as if you are simply throwing one thing after another without any thought or rationale simply to attack me. Not to further the goals of the Respublica or help her citizens, but simply as a personal attack on me using your office as a club.>>
>  
>  
>  
>  
> It may be the start of Vestalia today, and perhaps because it is the start of Vestalia today, and maybe because I know I speak for many, many Citizens, but mostly because I am sick at heart that we lost a good person over the likes of you; however, I am only going to say this once...
> Shut up, Cato. Please just shut up.We have had enough of you and we are all sick of you, so please just shut your ugly mouth up. Thank you.
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salvete Omnes,

By the way, it look like the resignation communication was anything but private between the Consul and the Praetrix if these headers are correct:

>>Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:39:31 -0700

From: rory12001@...
Subject: Re: *URGENT* - New moderation edictum ? Application of the tribunician
veto
To: deandreaboyle@...; albucius_aoe@...;
maximavaleriamessallina@...
CC: jfarnoud94@...; castra.rota@...; corvvs@...;
c.curius@...; christer.edling@...








I, M. Hortensia Maior, resign from my duties and office as praetrix effective
this day.


M. Hortrensia Maior<<

Valete,

C. Popillius Laenas

Salve Dextero,

Scientia dedisti complecto nimis.

Res etiam Latinae disco.

Vale optime,

M.Iulius Scaeva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Scaeva,
>
> > Quis verba arcoili et constituva sunt? Anglici verba parare potes?
>
> "Arcoili" significat oppidum Arcoilum in casu locativo.
> [Londinium, Londinii,Roma, Romae...]
>
> Arcoilum oppidum incolo quod "Arcueil" Francogallice dicitur, cujus longitudo 48° 48' ad Septemtrionen, latitudoque 2° 20' ad Orientem est, prope Lutetiam Parisiorum caput Galliae.
>
> Constituvam scripsi sed oportebat me "constitutivam" scribere. Lex enim constitutiva, ut Novae Romae dici solitum est, Anglice "Constitution" est.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> A. d. VII Idus Iunias P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

Hortensiae omnibusque s.d.



I just read with some surprise your "withdrawal of resignation" (message ML 76174). You say that:



"I formally withdraw my resignation and will return to my duties as praetrix. My resignation was sent privately as a result of frustration and posted without my permission."



adding in your message ML #76176



"I did not write or post any resignation. Albucius only speaks for himself, certainly he did not have my permission to post a private letter."




I have the sincere regret reminding to you that our laws do not allow the same retractation delay as when a *civis* resigns from his/her *citizenship*.



This is understandable: a magistrate is supposed to have more experience, more patience and a good knowledge enough of our laws, and to be therefore in capacity well weighing her/his decision before saying "I resign from my duties and office". This rule, which applies to every officer and magistrate, concerns particularly the highest magistrates, who are supposed to have more dignitas, more auctoritas, and a better knowledge of our Laws. And, among them, the praetors are, last, supposed to be particularly aware of all these elements.



Our ruling law, in case of resignation of a magistrate, is Lex Minucia de eiuratione, which is clear is this point:



"IV.B.i. Resignations of offices elected in the Comitia Populi Tributa or the Comitia Centuriata are to be tendered in writing to the Consuls, or in the presence of three or more citizens, who shall acknowledge and communicate receipt of the resignation to the Consuls. Once advised of the resignation, the Consuls shall respond in writing within 24 hours to the resigning magistrate in order to acknowledge the tendered resignation, and a vacancy of that office is thereby legally established.



In this case, you:

- announced to me your resignation;

- I acknowledged to you, within 24 hours, receipt of it;

- I informed, within 24 hours, the concerned magistrates and the whole citizenry.



Again with my regrets, I cannot receive your argument, according which the message by which you sent your resignation was "private". If I may understand that, a message wherein a magistrate expresses her/his difficulties, that (s)he is tired or under pressure, etc. should be understood as being possibly private, the concerned magistrate is supposed to have thinking, experience and knowledge enough to know that writing to higher authority "I resign from my duties" may have immediate legal consequences.



As a reminder, I have included here below your message, which is, and that honors you, simple, clear and written in the most official way. At any time you specified that your message was "private" or that you were just thinking about resigning. In addition, you copied this announce to all the highest magistrates or officers of the Republic.





I am sincerely sorry but I cannot grant to you an exception, either because you were praetrix or because of the services you offer and go on offering Rome. It would be illegal, unfair, a lack of respect for all our citizens and a negative message sent beyond our boundaries.



You may have seen, in addition, that the steps of the proceedings to fill your former position have already be made, and that several cives have informed me of their intention of running. I have, on the base of my ackowledgment of your resignation, taken good notice of their candidacy.



I thus recommend that, as the former praetrix you were, you be wise enough not to insist and to obey today our laws that you expected our citizens to respect yesterday.



For, and as Lex Minucia provides it, *you have the legal possibility*, as every candidate who fills the conditions to be candidate, *to present your candidacy* to the suffecta praetura minor now vacant, and, if the People votes for you, to recover your position:



"IV.B.iii. This lex does not in itself restrict a former magistrate from standing for election in the appropriate comitia to fill the vacancy caused by his or her resignation." "



Naturally, you may wish, instead, proposing your knowledges and skills for one of out other vacant positions (aedilis cur, aedilis pl., quaestor, rogator), and for which you would feel more comfortable. The Republic still needs you, and your candidacy would be then welcome. I would have the pleasure supporting it.





Thanks for your understanding and good thinking, et vale Hortensia,







Albucius cos.
















From: albucius_aoe@...
To: rory12001@...; nova-roma@yahoogroups.com; novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com
CC: deandreaboyle@...; christer.edling@...; maximavaleriamessallina@...; jfarnoud94@...; corvvs@...; c.curius@...; castra.rota@...; iulius_sabinus@...; tau.athanasios@...; mhoratius@...; praetores@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Your resignation as praetrix
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 03:11:31 +0200



Salve Hortensia,

I take due record of your resignation below, that I regret but may understand, as a former praetor I was and in the view of the current situation and pressure you have faced these last days.

I note that you will leave your office this day on Sunday midnight in your time zone (Monday 7th in Rome time).

I will, from tomorrow on, consult with Praetrix Iunia and my colleague to discuss on the organization of the praetura and on the date of the election of a praetor suffectus/-a.

I thank you, on behalf of our State, for the whole dedication you brought in your praetorian duties.


Vale Maior,


Albucius cos.



Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:39:31 -0700
From: rory12001@...
Subject: Re: *URGENT* - New moderation edictum ? Application of the tribunician veto
To: deandreaboyle@...; albucius_aoe@...; maximavaleriamessallina@...
CC: jfarnoud94@...; castra.rota@...; corvvs@...; c.curius@...; christer.edling@...







I, M. Hortensia Maior, resign from my duties and office as praetrix effective this day.


M. Hortrensia Maior




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