Slave,
Ah scanning, it seems.....wrong to me somehow, I hate to quote Giles but knowledge comes from crafted bindings not 1s and 0s of course we have special circumstances so I say if it's for the College :)
I'm sorry about your eczema.
And as for something to be done......I've posted ideas before but they get shot down or are unpractical, don't get me wrong I love Nova Roma but the fact remains (practicality aside) that we need a physical community, if we could come together and build a city or a temple or hell a shrine in a grove it seems the coming together would help. Watching Rome reading books and movies it seems that it was the community that made Rome strong. Everyone together in that cohesive system was what made Rome endure until the 3rd century( I count the abandonment and outlaw of the Gods as the fall of Rome). We were great for some 1000+ years we gave the world shape and form we built amazing structures and now look at us we fight and squabble over petty issues. We need not should NEED to come together or we will fall just as our ancestors did.
DVIC
Nero



________________________________
From: rory12001 <rory12001@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 2:29:16 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: I have returned...again.


So what have we accomplished?

1.I'm working on Podcast 7 for Vox Romana
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/

2.I'm scanning a 100 page monograph for the College of Augurs to add to their library.

3.I'm fighting a lawsuit that would have me kicked out of Nova Roma for 5 years.

I've had my eczema come back & 1 migraine from the latter.

something has to be done to end this endless fighting that accomplishes 0.
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Caeca Nero S. P. D.
>
> Oh, gods forgive me ...I simply *cannot* resist this! OK, here you go:
>
> We had elections. some won, some lost.
> We had fights (um, I meant impassioned debates, of course).
> We got over it.
>
> Occasionally, we had fun.
>
> I think that ...about covers it, LOL!
>
> Now, I will take the liberty of being serious for a moment. the above was a bit of Caeca flippancy, and nothing more. Before anyone makes accusations against me ...those comments do *not* represent my views of, or feelings about, Nova Roma, as I hope I have, at least to some small extent demonstrated both in words and actions. I was just indulging my sometimes skewed sense of humor.
>
> Vale et valete bene,
> CMC
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Nero,

Welcome back. Same old battle of good vs. evil, heroes, villains, dazzling
damsel's still trucking stagnately stalemate.

Sorry couldn't resist either, but I am glad to see your reappearance.

Vale Bene,
Aeternia

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Nero <rikudemyx@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete,
> After a seriously earth shattering lose of data and computer recovery I
> broke down and bought a new one, thus I have returned. Gods willing to stay
> for good. Anyone who is willing to condense what is sure to be upwards in
> the area of 56000 messages for me, it would be greatly appreciated.
> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> Nero
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Nero;
I entirely agree. Which is why I attended the Conventus last year in Nashville, despite the scorching heat. But it was worth every minute. I had a wonderful time with local cives and ones like the P.M M.Moravius Maximus who travelled as I did to get there. A former citizen A. Sempronius Regulus (who is still a close friend) put us up. We talked day and night about Rome, philosophy, reconstructing the Religio and finished with the PM constructing an auguraculum on Regulus' property, a sacrifice to the Di Manes (I held the blood ugh) and the taking of auspices.
This is why I stay in Nova Roma. This is what we need to work for.
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
> Slave,
> Ah scanning, it seems.....wrong to me somehow, I hate to quote Giles but knowledge comes from crafted bindings not 1s and 0s of course we have special circumstances so I say if it's for the College :)
> I'm sorry about your eczema.
> And as for something to be done......I've posted ideas before but they get shot down or are unpractical, don't get me wrong I love Nova Roma but the fact remains (practicality aside) that we need a physical community, if we could come together and build a city or a temple or hell a shrine in a grove it seems the coming together would help. Watching Rome reading books and movies it seems that it was the community that made Rome strong. Everyone together in that cohesive system was what made Rome endure until the 3rd century( I count the abandonment and outlaw of the Gods as the fall of Rome). We were great for some 1000+ years we gave the world shape and form we built amazing structures and now look at us we fight and squabble over petty issues. We need not should NEED to come together or we will fall just as our ancestors did.
> DVIC
> Nero
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: rory12001 <rory12001@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 2:29:16 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: I have returned...again.
>
>
> So what have we accomplished?
>
> 1.I'm working on Podcast 7 for Vox Romana
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/
>
> 2.I'm scanning a 100 page monograph for the College of Augurs to add to their library.
>
> 3.I'm fighting a lawsuit that would have me kicked out of Nova Roma for 5 years.
>
> I've had my eczema come back & 1 migraine from the latter.
>
> something has to be done to end this endless fighting that accomplishes 0.
> vale
> Maior
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@> wrote:
> >
> > Caeca Nero S. P. D.
> >
> > Oh, gods forgive me ...I simply *cannot* resist this! OK, here you go:
> >
> > We had elections. some won, some lost.
> > We had fights (um, I meant impassioned debates, of course).
> > We got over it.
> >
> > Occasionally, we had fun.
> >
> > I think that ...about covers it, LOL!
> >
> > Now, I will take the liberty of being serious for a moment. the above was a bit of Caeca flippancy, and nothing more. Before anyone makes accusations against me ...those comments do *not* represent my views of, or feelings about, Nova Roma, as I hope I have, at least to some small extent demonstrated both in words and actions. I was just indulging my sometimes skewed sense of humor.
> >
> > Vale et valete bene,
> > CMC
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

L. Iulia Aquila M. Iulio Severo S.P.D.

Thank you for your vote of confidence Severe, it is most appreciated!

Vale optime!

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL•SEVERVS <marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> This endorsement should have been posted yesterday, but I had some problems with my internet access.
> L. Iulia Aquila is a true Roman. She has all the virtues of the Roman women, those women who were the essence and the strenght of Rome. She is a hard-working Nova Roman, and she has contributed to our Res publica more than the known bunch of bullies who are tying to assault Nova Roma.
> I ask you, Qurirites, to cast your vote for her as our new Curule Aedile. This decision would be the best one for we and our Res publica.
>
> Valete,
>  
> M•IVL•SEVERVS
>
> SENATOR
> PRO•CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICI
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Ave Nero,

Welcome back. I do not know which "Nero" you are, so I am unsure of which provincia you are in. Austrorientalis is becoming quite active right now and under the leadership of our new Governor promises to be a quite and active and productive province. The Temple of Venus Genetrix in Nashville Tn. meets on a regular basis although we rent the building and outdoor area. We are in the midst of planning a Conventus in SC for October - for more info about A.Ae:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/76510

If you are in A.Ae and would like to get involved, drop me a line.

Vale optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Nero" <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
> After a seriously earth shattering lose of data and computer recovery I broke down and bought a new one, thus I have returned. Gods willing to stay for good. Anyone who is willing to condense what is sure to be upwards in the area of 56000 messages for me, it would be greatly appreciated.
> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> Nero
>

<<--- On Fri, 6/25/10, QFabiusMaxmi@... <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

 
Oh I must of missed the "better idea" part, Tribune. Could you repeat
that?>>
 
 
 

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:


From: Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: On the possib. dissolving NR Inc.
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 5:32 AM


 



<<--- On Thu, 6/24/10, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...> wrote:

Did you forget that Nevada has legalized prostitution, too? Fabius Maximus has publicly advocated that Nova Roma establish temple prostitution.>>
 
 
I knew there had to be more than met the eye with his suggestion, but I didn't think of that!

 
<<He is correct, however, that incorporating in Nevada would place less restrictions on us. Maine has some of the strictest regulations regarding fraudulent non-profit corporations and on defrauding honest non-profit corporations.>>
 
 
Oh, I have no doubt of that, but we can forget Nevada. I've come up with a much better idea. I'm still investigating it, but if it will work, it just might be the solution to this whole incorporation/by-laws problem.
 
Vale bene,
Maxima Valeria Messallina

 

 




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<<--- On Fri, 6/25/10, QFabiusMaxmi@... <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

 

>>"years of research" to learn about Nevada's laws for non-profit

organizations?<<

Meant to write "a year," and it was 49 states not just Nevada. Which
begs the question, I have seen worse typos in the Tribune's comments, so let
someone pick on her for a change...>>
 
 
 
And I will answer that question for you - no, you haven't, because that isn't a typo. A typo is when you type a wrong letter, as in typing 'phony' when you meant to type 'phone'.  Writing "years of research" instead of "a year" is something else entirely.
 
Ah yes, 49 states, well let me see, it took me less than an hour on the Internet to find what I needed to know about Nevada, so at about an hour a day for the other 48 states and let's say minus weekends, that's five states per week and at that rate, I would be done in nine and a half weeks. Took you a whole year, really? Wow.
 
Oh, and is that what you are doing - picking on me? I see. Well, thank you for the information. Much appreciated.
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

It is so easy to criticize and belittle, and is all too often done, here,
and elsewhere. I would like to do something very different. You will read
no harsh words: no insults: no accusations or criticism. If that is what
you enjoy, I suggest you go on to the next post, now.

I want to talk to you about a friend I made here, very soon after I joined
NR, and have kept, ever since. Why? Because, in doing so, I may, at least
indirectly, demonstrate how nova Roma can, and does enrich our lives ...in
ways we might not have expected, when we jointed, and, ultimately, why Nova
Roma is something worth developing, fighting to keep viable, and eminently
worth our best efforts.

When I first came to NR, 2 people extended the hand of friendship to me
...and I dearly love both of them. In December of the year I became a
citizen, there was a provincial event in Atlanta ...an exhibit at one of our
museums, which I attended. Also in attendance was a young man named Q
Caecillius Metellus. At that time, I believe he wasn't even 20 years of
age, and it would have been natural for him to seek out the company of
others in the group closer to his own age, and probably much more enjoyable
company. However, that isn't what he did. What he did was escort me
through the entire exhibit, reading the descriptive material for each and
every artifact ...and describing those I couldn't see, such as the plan of a
Roman home. It was a large exhibit, but he saw to it that I got to
experience it in its entirety ...and later, at the gladiatorial exhibition,
helped me further by sitting with me and describing, in detail the dress,
weapons and armor of the combatants ...with a blow by blow of what was going
on. why is this important? For me ...because, otherwise, I would have
missed most of everything ...but also, and more profoundly, because he, by
his kindness, made me a part of the event.

Later, we chatted, often on IRC ...and, I remember 1 long chat in particular
that ranged from books, to music, to NR, back to books, to the RR, to food,
to other more personal issues, and several other things, trivial and
important. Again, he could have sought more enjoyable company ...but, bless
him, he chose not to. I don't know with what he came away from our
conversations ...but I realized that this young man is extremely special
...and that I expect to consider him a friend for the rest of my life.

I have observed Metellus, over the years, and I have always known him
willing to share his knowledge about Roma Antiqua, Nova roma, the Sacra
Romana, the law, Roman and Nova roman, and the ways in which we are
attempting to reconstruct the Religio and practice it now.

I have found him to be patient, discrete, compassionate and kind. He has
always been willing to answer questions, from purely technical matters to
more personal dilemmas and issues, especially regarding the RR ...and he
treats each question, and questioner, with seriousness and respect.

Does he have a temper? Um, that would be a yes (smile). And? so do I,
but, having lived longer, I've learned a thing or 2 about keeping it in
check, and sometimes, I'm even successful.

Can he be arrogant? Um ...well, yes ...but again, at his age, so was I
...deplorably so, I regret to say.

I deeply respect this young man for his scholarship and learning. I esteem
him for his willingness to share his knowledge with anyone who asks his
help. I value his demonstrated dedication to Nova Roma. I humbly honor his
dedication to the gods, which I have seen; and, I treasure Metellus for his
kindness, understanding, compassion, and most of all, for his friendship.

He, among a few others showed me, though their public words and actions, and
through their interactions with me, personally, the caliber and extreme
worth of some of the people who came here, and stayed. Had it not been for
Metellus, among a few others, it is likely that I would have come, quietly,
and as quietly left ...and that, I think, would have been my loss.
Therefore, Metelle, thank you. Thank you for being who you are, and thank
you, especially, for finding something of worth in me.

Respectfully,
Valete bene,
C Maria Caeca

Cato Neroni sal.

Ack, let it rest. They are dead. We spend so much time talking about what our ancestors might or might not have thought or might or might not have believed that we get nowhere and invent boogey monsters - of which I am apparently one - to blame for our inability to act.

I am running for Curule Aedile. I am running with one purpose in mind: to create the Aedilician Fund that I proposed several years ago as Curule Aedile.

This fund would, in fact, go towards things like helping to subsidize any rental that the citizens in A.Ae. might be paying to use the Temple of Venus Genetrix for their gatherings. It would go towards subsidizing individual citizens and provinces in celebrating the public rites of the religiones Romanae. It would go to subsidizing the work of upgrading and sustaining the website and the webmaster(s) - after all, the Curule Aediles were given charge of the "real estate" of the State, and as we are basically virtual right now our internet connection to each other is as good as anything to begin with.

The virtual ludi we have are fun and interesting, but it's also time we actually started *doing* something as a Respublica for our Respublica. I may not be particularly well-liked by some, but that does not mean I will not spend the same kind of energy I did in getting our last coin made in these endeavors.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
> It seems like the same old same old. And true something has to be done but we never agree on what, we fight over that too. I think our ancestors would be.....well I'm not sure but you can bet that Augustus, Nero, Caesar, Cicero and the others wouldn't be at all impressed with us.
> DVIC
> Nero
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: rory12001 <rory12001@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 1:38:54 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: I have returned...again.
>
>
> Salve Nero;
> what have you missed? Fighting, insults, lawsuits, magistrates resigning from disgust, more fighting.
>
> The same dysfunctional tiresome things we did last year, the year before that, and that.
> Something has to change.
> vale
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Nero" <rikudemyx@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> > After a seriously earth shattering lose of data and computer recovery I broke down and bought a new one, thus I have returned. Gods willing to stay for good. Anyone who is willing to condense what is sure to be upwards in the area of 56000 messages for me, it would be greatly appreciated.
> > Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> > Nero
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

M. Hortensia C. Mariae spd;
well I'm glad he's a wonderful friend to you; but he wants to throw me out of Nova Roma. This court case isn't funny.

your friend, is asking for Exactio. That I be expelled for 5 years and stripped of everything. The iudex can say condemno or absolvo. No lighter sentence. There is no other choice.
vale
Maior

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Salicia_iudiciaria_(Nova_Roma)

AS ACTOR, Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus (4031), pro se

For violating the laws of Nova Roma and in accordance with the

> provisions of the Lex Salicia Poenalis, the Actor requests that a
> DECLARATIO PUBLICA be required of the Reus, and that the Reus suffer
> INHABILITATIO ad honores per vitam, such that the Reus shall be
> prohibited from all of election to, appointment to, and continuation
> of any office in Nova Roma for the remainder of the natural life of
> the Reus, and EXACTIO, for a period of no less than five years.
>
> ---End Petitio Actionis---

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Novaromatribunalis/message/311

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
>
> It is so easy to criticize and belittle, and is all too often done, here,
> and elsewhere. I would like to do something very different. You will read
> no harsh words: no insults: no accusations or criticism. If that is what
> you enjoy, I suggest you go on to the next post, now.
>
> I want to talk to you about a friend I made here, very soon after I joined
> NR, and have kept, ever since. Why? Because, in doing so, I may, at least
> indirectly, demonstrate how nova Roma can, and does enrich our lives ...in
> ways we might not have expected, when we jointed, and, ultimately, why Nova
> Roma is something worth developing, fighting to keep viable, and eminently
> worth our best efforts.
>
> When I first came to NR, 2 people extended the hand of friendship to me
> ...and I dearly love both of them. In December of the year I became a
> citizen, there was a provincial event in Atlanta ...an exhibit at one of our
> museums, which I attended. Also in attendance was a young man named Q
> Caecillius Metellus. At that time, I believe he wasn't even 20 years of
> age, and it would have been natural for him to seek out the company of
> others in the group closer to his own age, and probably much more enjoyable
> company. However, that isn't what he did. What he did was escort me
> through the entire exhibit, reading the descriptive material for each and
> every artifact ...and describing those I couldn't see, such as the plan of a
> Roman home. It was a large exhibit, but he saw to it that I got to
> experience it in its entirety ...and later, at the gladiatorial exhibition,
> helped me further by sitting with me and describing, in detail the dress,
> weapons and armor of the combatants ...with a blow by blow of what was going
> on. why is this important? For me ...because, otherwise, I would have
> missed most of everything ...but also, and more profoundly, because he, by
> his kindness, made me a part of the event.
>
> Later, we chatted, often on IRC ...and, I remember 1 long chat in particular
> that ranged from books, to music, to NR, back to books, to the RR, to food,
> to other more personal issues, and several other things, trivial and
> important. Again, he could have sought more enjoyable company ...but, bless
> him, he chose not to. I don't know with what he came away from our
> conversations ...but I realized that this young man is extremely special
> ...and that I expect to consider him a friend for the rest of my life.
>
> I have observed Metellus, over the years, and I have always known him
> willing to share his knowledge about Roma Antiqua, Nova roma, the Sacra
> Romana, the law, Roman and Nova roman, and the ways in which we are
> attempting to reconstruct the Religio and practice it now.
>
> I have found him to be patient, discrete, compassionate and kind. He has
> always been willing to answer questions, from purely technical matters to
> more personal dilemmas and issues, especially regarding the RR ...and he
> treats each question, and questioner, with seriousness and respect.
>
> Does he have a temper? Um, that would be a yes (smile). And? so do I,
> but, having lived longer, I've learned a thing or 2 about keeping it in
> check, and sometimes, I'm even successful.
>
> Can he be arrogant? Um ...well, yes ...but again, at his age, so was I
> ...deplorably so, I regret to say.
>
> I deeply respect this young man for his scholarship and learning. I esteem
> him for his willingness to share his knowledge with anyone who asks his
> help. I value his demonstrated dedication to Nova Roma. I humbly honor his
> dedication to the gods, which I have seen; and, I treasure Metellus for his
> kindness, understanding, compassion, and most of all, for his friendship.
>
> He, among a few others showed me, though their public words and actions, and
> through their interactions with me, personally, the caliber and extreme
> worth of some of the people who came here, and stayed. Had it not been for
> Metellus, among a few others, it is likely that I would have come, quietly,
> and as quietly left ...and that, I think, would have been my loss.
> Therefore, Metelle, thank you. Thank you for being who you are, and thank
> you, especially, for finding something of worth in me.
>
> Respectfully,
> Valete bene,
> C Maria Caeca
>

C. Maria Caeca M. Hortensiae Maiori S. P. D.

I said nothing about the litigation in which you and Metellus are currently involved ...to do so would be extremely improper.

Vale,
C. Maria Caeca

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve,
I am Gaius of the Iunii called Nero. Before my computer crashed I posted often enough that I came to use just Nero and was hoping I still could.
DVIC
Nero



________________________________
From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 5:26:13 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: I have returned...again.


Ave Nero,

Welcome back. I do not know which "Nero" you are, so I am unsure of which provincia you are in. Austrorientalis is becoming quite active right now and under the leadership of our new Governor promises to be a quite and active and productive province. The Temple of Venus Genetrix in Nashville Tn. meets on a regular basis although we rent the building and outdoor area. We are in the midst of planning a Conventus in SC for October - for more info about A.Ae:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/76510

If you are in A.Ae and would like to get involved, drop me a line.

Vale optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Nero" <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
> After a seriously earth shattering lose of data and computer recovery I broke down and bought a new one, thus I have returned. Gods willing to stay for good. Anyone who is willing to condense what is sure to be upwards in the area of 56000 messages for me, it would be greatly appreciated.
> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> Nero
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve,
Let it rest? The Manes of the dead will not rest and neither will I. We cannot say we strive for a New Rome unless we look to the Rome that was.
DVIC
Nero



________________________________
From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 8:06:48 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: I have returned...again.


Cato Neroni sal.

Ack, let it rest. They are dead. We spend so much time talking about what our ancestors might or might not have thought or might or might not have believed that we get nowhere and invent boogey monsters - of which I am apparently one - to blame for our inability to act.

I am running for Curule Aedile. I am running with one purpose in mind: to create the Aedilician Fund that I proposed several years ago as Curule Aedile.

This fund would, in fact, go towards things like helping to subsidize any rental that the citizens in A.Ae. might be paying to use the Temple of Venus Genetrix for their gatherings. It would go towards subsidizing individual citizens and provinces in celebrating the public rites of the religiones Romanae. It would go to subsidizing the work of upgrading and sustaining the website and the webmaster(s) - after all, the Curule Aediles were given charge of the "real estate" of the State, and as we are basically virtual right now our internet connection to each other is as good as anything to begin with.

The virtual ludi we have are fun and interesting, but it's also time we actually started *doing* something as a Respublica for our Respublica. I may not be particularly well-liked by some, but that does not mean I will not spend the same kind of energy I did in getting our last coin made in these endeavors.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
> It seems like the same old same old. And true something has to be done but we never agree on what, we fight over that too. I think our ancestors would be.....well I'm not sure but you can bet that Augustus, Nero, Caesar, Cicero and the others wouldn't be at all impressed with us.
> DVIC
> Nero
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: rory12001 <rory12001@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 1:38:54 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: I have returned...again.
>
>
> Salve Nero;
> what have you missed? Fighting, insults, lawsuits, magistrates resigning from disgust, more fighting.
>
> The same dysfunctional tiresome things we did last year, the year before that, and that.
> Something has to change.
> vale
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Nero" <rikudemyx@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> > After a seriously earth shattering lose of data and computer recovery I broke down and bought a new one, thus I have returned. Gods willing to stay for good. Anyone who is willing to condense what is sure to be upwards in the area of 56000 messages for me, it would be greatly appreciated.
> > Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> > Nero
> >
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Salvete Omnes;

As of Noon, 26 June, 2010, being 2763 AUC...Marca Annia Megas
Machinatrix and Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator have been wed for
Twenty-Eight Years...

If one would count the "Going Out" and "Engagement" periods as
significant...Machinatrix and Venator have been together over 32 years
( since 2 February, 1978).

Folks, if you have NOT been able to find such a soul-mate as have I
(Venii writing), my full and true sympathy is with you...

=====================================
In amicitia et fide
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Lictor, Patrician, Paterfamilias
Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

(sites subject to occassional updates)
http://www.myspace.com/venator_poetus
http://confoederatio-romana.webs.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

Ave Caeca et salvete Omnes...

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 11:11 PM, C.Maria Caeca wrote:
>
> C. Maria Caeca M. Hortensiae Maiori S. P. D.
>
> I said nothing about the litigation in which you and Metellus are currently involved ...to do so would be extremely improper.
>
> Vale,
> C. Maria Caeca
>

Cives Nova Romana, I apologize to C Maria Caeca for "piggybacking, "
but I do think that Nova Roma would be better off without Hortensia
Maior and her allies, including senior officials of the Pontifical
College and the men and women within the non-religious leadership.

If you elect me as Praetor ( and with me alone, you will all have more
freedom , within FULL individual responsibility], I WILL follow the
Mos Maiorum and not seek ANY other office for one "electoral year."

As is my custom, I urge NO Favorable votes for Hortense Maior...

Venator

M. Hortensia C. Mariae spd;

Why not? It's very Roman to attend trials and discuss them. That's how they learned the law. Cordus my advocatus is a barrister and very knowledgeable about Roman law and trials.

If I'm convicted, in cases of exactio, I can go to the Comitia Centuriata and they can absolve me. So it's very important for citizens to attend and learn. I certainly want them to.

The iudex, Sabinus, is picked the formula given. All Nova Romans can join the group and attend the trial here.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Novaromatribunalis/

vale
Maior
producer Vox Romana podcast
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/
podcast 7 in the works

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> C. Maria Caeca M. Hortensiae Maiori S. P. D.
>
> I said nothing about the litigation in which you and Metellus are currently involved ...to do so would be extremely improper.
>
> Vale,
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve;

This is wonderful news. Congratulations on your anniversary.

Vale;

Modianus

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <
famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete Omnes;
>
> As of Noon, 26 June, 2010, being 2763 AUC...Marca Annia Megas
> Machinatrix and Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator have been wed for
> Twenty-Eight Years...
>
> If one would count the "Going Out" and "Engagement" periods as
> significant...Machinatrix and Venator have been together over 32 years
> ( since 2 February, 1978).
>
> Folks, if you have NOT been able to find such a soul-mate as have I
> (Venii writing), my full and true sympathy is with you...
>
> =====================================
> In amicitia et fide
> Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
> Lictor, Patrician, Paterfamilias
> Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta
>

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Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit

I was there too. I remember what was discussed and I have a different
recollection of the "Boni position" on Cassius. I don't suspect your
opinion on this matter will change; below is the version of history you are
going to project and so be it. You and I see things in a very radically
different ways, but that's okay. I have come to terms that you and I
disagree on most things and how we see most things.

I can accept your opinion differs from mine, and that we will likely never
see "eye to eye" on things; however, your last comment I do not accept and
ask that you refrain from polemic comments of that nature and refrain from
ad hominem practices. If you want the main list to be a better place, which
you have confessed, then you must do something about it! Practice what you
confess.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...>wrote:

> Of course we complained! But the difference is we would have never removed
> him. It simply is against the Mos Maiorum.
>
> Just compare NR then under the real Pontifex Maximus vs the current
> antipope
> - it's clear NR was far better off under Marcus Cassius.
>
> NR was growing, NR was actually in the media, NR had a functioning website
> that did not require almost half of the treasury to maintain.
> Proliferation
> of Sodalitas, More participation on the ML, No Trials, Need I go on?
>
> The difference is the Mos Maiorum is/was always respected by the Boni. It
> is not just talk as it is with you, Maior and the failed
> extortionist/coward/antipope.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla

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Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit

They don't keep changing. I've heard those stories from Picinus about
Fabius for years now and they are the same stories now as they where then.
This is more proof of how Nova Roma has become polarized.

More face to face events need organized. NOT events with a few people, but
something that the majority will come to. Then we can all have sit downs
and talk about things face to face.

Vale;

Modianus

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...

> wrote:

> Yo failed extortionist.... (See at least we have the headers and emails to
> prove that ;) )
>
> I have a question for ya, since your dramatic retelling get more and more
> into outer space after each go around.
>
> At what point is he going to start saying Fabius eats little babies too?
> LOL Has a string of illegitimate children? LOL And that he beats himself
> senseless with a lead pipe every night before he goes to sleep? LOL Oh and
> left out that he worked with Bernie Madoff, that he single-handly is
> working
> to devalue the Euro. And he blew up the oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico.
>
> Fabius, NR's boogeyman! ROFL!!!
>
> In case anyone is humor impaired this is humor intended!
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla

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>
> A. Tullia Scholastica P. Ullerio Venatori quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salvete Omnes;
>
> As of Noon, 26 June, 2010, being 2763 AUC...Marca Annia Megas
> Machinatrix and Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator have been wed for
> Twenty-Eight Years...
>
> If one would count the "Going Out" and "Engagement" periods as
> significant...Machinatrix and Venator have been together over 32 years
> ( since 2 February, 1978).
>
> Folks, if you have NOT been able to find such a soul-mate as have I
> (Venii writing), my full and true sympathy is with you...
>
> ATS: Hearty congratulations on your anniversary, and may you two
> lovebirds enjoy many more together! My parents were also fortunate to have a
> long and happy marriage.
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
> =====================================
> In amicitia et fide
> Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
> Lictor, Patrician, Paterfamilias
> Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta
>
> Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
>
> (sites subject to occassional updates)
> http://www.myspace.com/venator_poetus
> http://confoederatio-romana.webs.com/
> http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/

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M. Hortensia C.Fabio Buteoni spd;
absolutely, Nova Roma needs more real life meetings, we need to do things, share rituals together, talk. I met Cato,Scholastica, Marinus and other Nova Romans in New York City years ago and we had a great time. Frankly I find it sad that its come down to this.
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit
>
> They don't keep changing. I've heard those stories from Picinus about
> Fabius for years now and they are the same stories now as they where then.
> This is more proof of how Nova Roma has become polarized.
>
> More face to face events need organized. NOT events with a few people, but
> something that the majority will come to. Then we can all have sit downs
> and talk about things face to face.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...
> > wrote:
>
> > Yo failed extortionist.... (See at least we have the headers and emails to
> > prove that ;) )
> >
> > I have a question for ya, since your dramatic retelling get more and more
> > into outer space after each go around.
> >
> > At what point is he going to start saying Fabius eats little babies too?
> > LOL Has a string of illegitimate children? LOL And that he beats himself
> > senseless with a lead pipe every night before he goes to sleep? LOL Oh and
> > left out that he worked with Bernie Madoff, that he single-handly is
> > working
> > to devalue the Euro. And he blew up the oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico.
> >
> > Fabius, NR's boogeyman! ROFL!!!
> >
> > In case anyone is humor impaired this is humor intended!
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve;

It's also nice to see what other Nova Romans are doing via sources like
Facebook. To see that we have lives outside of the e-mail lists. It is
nice being a part of peoples lives outside of the drama and politics that
Nova Roma has become. Unless we take a more holistic approach to community
building we will continue to stagnate.

Vale;

Modianus

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:20 AM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> M. Hortensia C.Fabio Buteoni spd;
> absolutely, Nova Roma needs more real life meetings, we need to do things,
> share rituals together, talk. I met Cato,Scholastica, Marinus and other Nova
> Romans in New York City years ago and we had a great time. Frankly I find it
> sad that its come down to this.
> vale
> Maior
>


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>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Salvete Omnes;
>
> I must admit that I find European Football, alias Soccer, to be an
> activity I like as little as golf, car racing, watching basketball or
> tennis, most disco or hip-hop/rap music, invasive medical exams...
>
> However, a hallmark of my standards of moderation will be a tolerance
> for things, which either do not interest me or will "bother" me...I
> skim for subject matter and hit the delete key.
>
> ATS: I suspect that several of us are either utterly ignorant of soccer
> or have little or no interest in it. When NR fields a team, well, maybe
> then...
>
> As Scholastica kindly pointed out, we do have subscribers who are
> below the legal age of majority in many jurisdictions.
>
> ATS: We have subscribers who are barely old enough for Bar / Bat Mitzvah,
> let alone legal majority anywhere. In any case, there is no magic
> transformation which occurs on the 18th birthday; humans do not suddenly
> transform from adolescents to adults on that occasion. Females tend to have
> completed the physical portion of puberty by then, but males must wait another
> three or more years, and it seems that there is some brain change which occurs
> only around age 25. That brings true adulthood. It is emotional and
> intellectual maturity which count.
>
> I would block, and ask for an edit by the author of, messages
> containing language inappropriate for minors.
>
> ATS: Often the authors do not comply, and since the moderators have the
> ability to do this (when Yahoo cooperates, which is not always), that is
> probably the wiser course. Some people, whatever their age, simply cannot
> control themselves, while others conveniently forget that the parents of our
> youngest members are unlikely to want to have their youngsters exposed to foul
> language and / or encomia on alcohol or on subjects such as prostitution,
> temple or other.
>
> Otherwise, I believe that this forum is our crossroads as a community
> and conversations, which may be of interest to a group of Cives, must
> be allowed to take place here.
>
> If we can not have a free exchange of ideas, beliefs and opinions, we
> are the poorer for that.
>
> ATS: I agree with this and your above statement. It would, however, be
> nice if self-policing would work 100% of the time. Trouble is, it does not,
> as we have seen with the recent attacks on Senator Cato, whose personal life
> is totally irrelevant to matters concerning NR.
>
> I also pledge to never let any of my personal dislikes get in the way
> of even-handed treatment of any Cives or Peregrinus who would speak
> their mind, with the stricture noted above.
>
> ATS: Indeed, we should not let personal likes or dislikes, or political
> affiliation, determine whether or not someone is allowed to express his or her
> opinions here, so long as they do not involve insults or other inappropriate
> content (foul language, etc.). Quoting the Granth Sahib or the Torah or the
> Bible is not proselytizing; these texts are used in high school English
> classes, to say nothing of college-level ones. There is no good reason to
> censure, or moderate, anyone for anything as simple as expressing religious
> beliefs or quoting religious texts.
>
>
> =====================================
> In amicitia et fide
> Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
>
> Candidate for Praetor
>
> =====================================
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica (praetoria; i.e., former praetrix, et candidata)
>
>

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In a message dated 6/25/2010 7:59:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
c.aqvillivs_rota@... writes:

Varro lost another Legion



While I realize that you are making an allegory to the Italian team being
eliminated from the World Cup, Varro lost eight legiones not just
"another."

To be fair to Varro, he had recently mustered legiones so green that they
could not open ranks, and so was forced to fight in close formation. He
also was facing the best General in Antiquity at that time. This was a
recipe for a disaster.

The Italian team were all Vets. Perhaps you should cry out "Give us back
our team," (reference to Q. Varius three lost legiones) instead.

-Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salvete Quirites!

Please don't forget to vote for Lucia Iulia Aquila as Curule Aedile.
She is very competent and prepared to do real work for Nova Roma.

*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul Iterum
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus sitis

Hodie est ante diem VI Kalendas Quinctilias; haec dies comitialis est: Ludi Tauri Quinquwnnales.

The second day of the Ludi Tauri celebrated with horse races in the Circus Flaminius.

AUC 536 / 217 BCE: Vow for a Sacred Spring (Ver sacrum)

After these resolutions had been passed in the senate the praetor consulted the pontifical college as to the proper means of giving effect to them, and L. Cornelius Lentulus, the Pontifex Maximus, decided that the very first step to take was to refer to the people the question of a "Sacred Spring," as this particular form of vow could not be undertaken without the order of the people. The form of procedure was as follows: "Is it," the praetor asked the Assembly, "your will and pleasure that all be done and performed in manner following? That is to say, if the commonwealth of the Romans and the Quirites be preserved, as I pray it may be, safe and sound through these present wars-to wit, the war between Rome and Carthage and the wars with the Gauls now dwelling on the hither side of the Alps-then shall the Romans and Quirites present as an offering whatever the spring shall produce from their flocks and herds, whether it be from swine or sheep or goats or cattle, and all that is not already devoted to any other deity shall be consecrated to Jupiter from such time as the senate and people shall order. Whosoever shall make an offering let him do it at whatsoever time and in whatsoever manner he will, and howsoever he offers it, it shall be accounted to be duly offered. If the animal which should have been sacrificed die, it shall be as though unconsecrated, there shall be no sin. If any man shall hurt or slay a consecrated thing unwittingly he shall not be held guilty. If a man shall have stolen any such animal, the people shall not bear the guilt, nor he from whom it was stolen. If a man offer his sacrifice unwittingly on a forbidden day, it shall be accounted to be duly offered. Whether he do so by night or day, whether he be slave or freeman, it shall be accounted to be duly offered. If any sacrifice be offered before the senate and people have ordered that it shall be done, the people shall be free and absolved from all guilt therefrom." To the same end the Great Games were vowed at a cost of 333,333 1/3 ases, and in addition 300 oxen to Jupiter, and white oxen and the other customary victims to a number of deities. When the vows had been duly pronounced a litany of intercession was ordered, and not only the population of the City but the people from the country districts, whose private interests were being affected by the public distress, went in procession with their wives and children. Then a lectisternium was held for three days under the supervision of the ten keepers of the Sacred Books. Six couches were publicly exhibited; one for Jupiter and Juno, another for Neptune and Minerva, a third for Mars and Venus, a fourth for Apollo and Diana, a fifth for Vulcan and Vesta, and the sixth for Mercury and Ceres. This was followed by the vowing of temples. Q. Fabius Maximus, as Dictator, vowed the temple to Venus Erycina, because it was laid down in the Books of Fate that this vow should be made by the man who possessed the supreme authority in the State. T. Otacilius, the praetor, vowed the temple to Mens. ~ Titus Livius 22.10


AUC 558-559 / 195-194 BCE: The Vow of the Sacred Spring carried out

"Before the consuls left the City they were required, in accordance with a decree of the pontiffs, to proclaim a Sacred Spring. This was in fulfilment of a vow made by the praetor A. Cornelius Mammula at the desire of the senate and by order of the people twenty-one years previously in the consulship of Cn. Servilius and C. Flaminius. C. Claudius Pulcher, the son of Appius, was at the same time appointed augur in place of Q. Fabius Maximus, who had died the year before." ~ Titus Livius 33.44

"In the previous year a Sacred Spring had been observed, and the Pontifex Maximus P. Licinius reported to the pontifical college that its observance had not been properly carried out. The college authorised him to bring the matter to the notice of the senate, and they decided that there should be an entirely fresh observance under the direction of the pontiffs. The Great Games, which had been vowed at the same time, were also ordered to be celebrated, and the usual outlay incurred upon them. The victims to be offered included all the cattle born between 1st March and 1st May during the consulship of P. Cornelius and Tiberius Sempronius." ~ Titus Livius 34.44


AUC 585 / 168 BCE: News of the Victory at Pydna reaches Rome

"The heralds of victory travelled to Rome with the utmost possible speed, but on their arrival they found that the rejoicings over it had forestalled them. Four days after the battle, while the Games were going on in the Campus Martius, a whispered rumour suddenly spread amongst the whole concourse of spectators to the effect that a battle had taken place in Macedonia resulting in the utter defeat of the king. Then the rumour grew louder until at last cheers and applause arose as though definite tidings of victory had been brought to them. The magistrates were taken by surprise and enquired who had started this sudden outburst of joy. As no one could be found the excitement produced by what they had taken for a certainty calmed down, but still they were convinced that it was a happy omen, which was subsequently verified by the arrival of the authentic messengers. They were delighted quite as much at their prognostications proving true as at the victory itself. A second outburst amongst the crowd in the Circus is recorded." ~ Titus Livius 45.1


AUC974 / 221 CE: Elagabalus adopts Severus Alexander.

"On the sixth day before the calends of July, because noster dominus Marcus Aurelius Severus Alexander was acclaimed Caesar and assumed the toga virilis, to the Genius of Alexander Augustus a bull." ~ Fasti Dura Europa


AUC 1116 / 363 CE: Death of Julian the Blessed at Maranga

"To our dominus Flavius Claudius Julianus, devout, blessed, powerful in every kind of virtue, invincible leader, restorer of freedom and of the religio Romana and conqueror of the world." ~ CIL 8.18529, Casae, Numidia

"The most splendid town council of Tbibilis set up this statue and dedicated it to our dominus Flavius Claudius Julianus, devout, blessed, victor and conqueror, ever Augustus, restorer of the sacred rites." ~ ILAlg. II.2.4647, Tbilis, Numidia

"In the time of one most Beloved of God, renewer of the sacred rites, lord and victor over every barbarian people, Claudius Julianus, all-powerful and sole ruler of the world, Callioius, most distinguished consular, dedicated this altar." ~ AE (1983) 895, Thessalonica.

"To the Renewer of the Roman world, to the restorer of all things and of all happiness, to the reviver of the culti Deorum and extinguisher of superstition, to Flavius Julianus, ever Augustus, mighty victor over the Germans, mighty victor over the Alamanni mighty victor over the Sarmatians, and the Franks, pontifex maximus." ~ AE (1907) 191, Baalbek, Syria

"To our lord Claudius Julianus, born for the good of the state, greatest of emperors, celebrator of triumphs, ever Augustus, on account of his having done away with the errors of times past." ~ ILS 8946, Mursa, Panonnia


Upon becoming sole emperor, Julianus re-instituted a general religious tolerance on 11 December 361. This included the reopening of temples, restoration of the culti Deorum ex patriae, as referred to in inscriptions throughout the empire. He also granted tolerance to Jews and all Christian sects. He therefore reversed earlier policies that used the power of the State against those Christian sects viewed as heretical by other sects. His reinstituting tolerance of Jews earned him the name Julianus the Hellene among them. He drew up plans to rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem, although the plan was abandoned with his death. He was later reviled by Christians as Julian the Apostate for his effort to preserve the sacra and culti Deorum. At the time of his reign the population of the empire was still predominantly cultores Deorum, and his successors, Jovianus and then Valentinianus I, although Christians, retained his official policy of religious tolerance, even as local bands of Christians began once more to persecute their fellow Romans and once more began to attack the temples and synagogues.

Named Caesar by Constantius, 6 Nov. 355 CE, after Constantius had murdered his cousin and Julianus' half-brother, Gallus, and forced Julianus to marry his (Constantius') sister Helena, Julianus successfully defended the western borders of the empire against Alamanni amd Frankish incursions. His legions declared him emperor and he began a march east against Constantius in 360. Constantius, marching to meet Julianus died enroute, acknowledging in his will that Julianus, the last grandson of Constantine I, as rightful heir and sole emperor. In March 363 Julianus launched campaign against the Sassanid (Persian) empire to regain those provinces lost by Constantius. Following an unsuccessful attack on the Persian capital at Ctesiphon Julianus thought it prudent to withdraw from the campaign. His retreat was harassed by skirmishers. It was during an ambush near Maranga that Julianus charged into battle on different fronts, each time without his armour.

Suddenly news was brought to the emperor, who had gone on unarmed to reconnoitre the ground in front, that our rear was attacked. He, roused to anger by this mishap, without stopping to put on his breastplate, snatched up his shield in a hurry, and while hastening to support his rear, was recalled by fresh news that the van which he had quitted was now exposed to a similar attack. Without a thought of personal danger, he now hastened to strengthen this division, and then, on another side, a troop of Persian cuirassiers attacked his centre, and pouring down with vehemence on his left wing, which began to give way, as our men could hardly bear up against the foul smell and horrid cries of the elephants, they pressed us hard with spears and clouds of arrows. The emperor flew to every part of the field where the danger was hottest; and our light-armed troops dashing out wounded the backs of the Persians, and the hocks of the animals, which were turned the other way. Julian, disregarding all care for his own safety, made signs by waving his hands, and shouted out that the enemy were fleeing in consternation; and cheering on his men to the pursuit, threw himself eagerly into the conflict. His guards called out to him from all sides to beware of the mass of fugitives who wore scattered in consternation, as he would beware of the fall of an ill-built roof, when suddenly a cavalry spear, grazing the skin of his arm, pierced his side, and fixed itself in the bottom of his liver. He tried to pull it out with his right hand, and cut the sinews of his fingers with the double-edged point of the weapon; and, falling from his horse, he was borne with speed by the men around him to his tent; and the physician tried to relieve him. ~ Ammianus Marcellinus, Roman History 25.3.2-7

One story said that Julianus had been assassinated in the midst of battle by one of his own Christian soldiers:

"Who was the one that killed him, does anyone desire to hear? His name I know not, but that he who killed him was not an enemy there is a clear proof, namely, that none of the opposite side received rewards for the fatal blow, although the Persian king summoned by public proclamation the slayer to come forward and receive reward, and it was in his power if he did come forward to gain great things. And yet no one from desire of the rewards boasted of the deed." ~ Libanius, Funerary Oration for Julianus 208; Orations 18.274

This claim was not repeated by Ammianus and other Christian historians. There was, however, a Christian fable that said Basil of Antioch had prayed for Julianus' death, and that a soldier named Mercurius appeared to Basil in a dream, announcing that he had done the deed. Thus was Mercurius inducted as a saint into the liturgy of the Coptic Christian church. Soon after his death the Christian author Gregory of Nazianzen attacked Julianus' work "Against the Galileans," and in the following century Theodorus of Mopsuestia, Philip Sideta, and Cyril of Alexandria continued to try to refute Julianus' criticism of Christianity. But mostly Romans mourned the loss of Julianus, with much the same sentiments as Libanius expressed in his funeral oration.

"O Jove, that Lydian king, with bloodstained hands, one of his race reigned for nine-and-thirty years, another for fifty-seven; and the murderous guardsman himself for forty all but two: but to this prince thou hast granted only to touch upon his third year on the higher throne; a man whom thou ought to have thought worthy of a longer, or at any rate, no shorter life than the great Cyrus; for like him he had preserved for his subjects the institutions of their fathers."

"O offspring of deities, disciple of deities, associate of deities! O thou that dost fill but a little spot of earth by thy tomb, but the whole inhabited world with admiration!" ~ Libanius, Funerary Oration for Julianus 214; 218


For works by Julian the Blessed online:

To the Sovereign Sun: http://www.tertulian.org/fathers/julian_apostate_1_sun.htm
On the Mater Deorum: http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/julian_apostate_2_mother.htm
Against the Galileans: http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/julian_apostate_galileans_1_text.htm


Today's thought is from Flavius Claudius Julianus the Blessed:

"The first thing we ought to preach is reverence toward the Gods. For it is fitting that we should perform our service to the Gods as though They were Themselves present with us and beheld us, and though not seen by us could direct Their gaze, which is more powerful than any light, even as far as our hidden thoughts."

Salvete,

Sabinus is THE iudx???

As I recall the law requires ten judges.

Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia C. Mariae spd;
>
> Why not? It's very Roman to attend trials and discuss them. That's how they learned the law. Cordus my advocatus is a barrister and very knowledgeable about Roman law and trials.
>
> If I'm convicted, in cases of exactio, I can go to the Comitia Centuriata and they can absolve me. So it's very important for citizens to attend and learn. I certainly want them to.
>
> The iudex, Sabinus, is picked the formula given. All Nova Romans can join the group and attend the trial here.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Novaromatribunalis/
>
> vale
> Maior
> producer Vox Romana podcast
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/
> podcast 7 in the works
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@> wrote:
> >
> > C. Maria Caeca M. Hortensiae Maiori S. P. D.
> >
> > I said nothing about the litigation in which you and Metellus are currently involved ...to do so would be extremely improper.
> >
> > Vale,
> > C. Maria Caeca
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Salvete:

That is my interpretation as well.

Valete:

Modianus

On Jun 26, 2010 11:17 AM, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <gaiuspopillius@...>
wrote:



Salvete,

Sabinus is THE iudx???

As I recall the law requires ten judges.

Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia C. Mariae sp...



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Salvete,

I'm still awaiting approval to join the list. I went last night and joined.

Valete,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:11 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
> Salvete:
>
> That is my interpretation as well.
>
> Valete:
>
> Modianus
>
> On Jun 26, 2010 11:17 AM, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <gaiuspopillius@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> Sabinus is THE iudx???
>
> As I recall the law requires ten judges.
>
> Laenas
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>>
>> M. Hortensia C. Mariae sp...
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



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In a message dated 6/26/2010 9:17:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
gaiuspopillius@... writes:

Sabinus is THE iudx???

As I recall the law requires ten judges.





You gentlemen are talking about a jury. I thought this was not a Quaestio
but a Tribunal.

The problem with picking a jury here in NR by lot is getting an impartial
one. And getting them interested enough to serve.

As Maior's best chance IMO is to have more of a military style Tribunal,
she apparently agreed.

My own personal opinion is that she has already resigned, which the People
would demand anyway, so while this is an interesting study (after all we
get to see the great Apolloninus Cordus in action)
the whole thing is moot.

- Q. Fabius Maximus



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Quinto Fabio Maximo salutem dicit

What does our law state about the number of iudices? Or judges in English.
Practice what you typically preach. What does the law state?

Vale,

Modianus

On Jun 26, 2010 12:50 PM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:




In a message dated 6/26/2010 9:17:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

gaiuspopillius@... writes:

Sabinus is THE iudx???

As I recall the law requires ten judges.
You gentlemen are talking about a jury. I thought this was not a Quaestio
but a Tribunal.

The problem with picking a jury here in NR by lot is getting an impartial
one. And getting them interested enough to serve.

As Maior's best chance IMO is to have more of a military style Tribunal,
she apparently agreed.

My own personal opinion is that she has already resigned, which the People
would demand anyway, so while this is an interesting study (after all we
get to see the great Apolloninus Cordus in action)
the whole thing is moot.

- Q. Fabius Maximus



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete,
 
The Lex Salicia iudiciarian states:
 
"VIII. The number of iudices that shall make up the tribunalis (court of justice) for a certain case shall be decided by the praetor according to the following guidelines:
 
A. The tribunalis shall be composed of ten (10) iudices whenever the intentio includes accusations of laesa patria (seriously threatening the well-being of the Republic), bribery, embezzlement of public funds, prevarication, electoral fraud, attacks to dignitas, slander or libel, or whenever the sententia might imply the loss of citizenship for one of the parties.
 
B. In all other occasions, the tribunalis shall be composed of a single iudex."
 
Is this not a case where the loss of citizenship is a possible outcome? That is what I have read. If that is so, then there should be ten judges and not just one.
Furthermore, there is no mention of a jury here. This specifically applies to judges.
 
Valete,
Maxima Valeria Messallina
 
 
 

<<--- On Sat, 6/26/10, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Quinto Fabio Maximo salutem dicit

What does our law state about the number of iudices? Or judges in English.
Practice what you typically preach. What does the law state?

Vale,

Modianus>>

>>>On Jun 26, 2010 12:50 PM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

In a message dated 6/26/2010 9:17:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

>>>>gaiuspopillius@... writes:

Sabinus is THE iudx???

As I recall the law requires ten judges.
You gentlemen are talking about a jury. I thought this was not a Quaestio
but a Tribunal.<<<<

>>>The problem with picking a jury here in NR by lot is getting an impartial

one. And getting them interested enough to serve.

As Maior's best chance IMO is to have more of a military style Tribunal,
she apparently agreed.

My own personal opinion is that she has already resigned, which the People
would demand anyway, so while this is an interesting study (after all we
get to see the great Apolloninus Cordus in action)
the whole thing is moot.

- Q. Fabius Maximus<<<




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Quirtes,


*deep sigh* Seriously? I'm on this Tribunalis list as well, so I saw this
post.. Was hoping someone else would point that out..


Okay according to the post that was made on June 25th 2010, made by Q.
Caecilius Metellus.. A request was made that the sentence of banning one M.
Hortensia Maior for five years was changed to one M. Hortensia Maior being
banned to never holding Public Office Again for her natural life.

So on that account a single Iudex can be appointed to oversee this trial.

I did actually ask if it were permissible to state this in a post, and was
told that I could..

So here's the official updated correct information on the punishment
severity..

Vale,
Aeternia



On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete,
>
> The Lex Salicia iudiciarian states:
>
> "VIII. The number of iudices that shall make up the tribunalis (court of
> justice) for a certain case shall be decided by the praetor according to the
> following guidelines:
>
> A. The tribunalis shall be composed of ten (10) iudices whenever the
> intentio includes accusations of laesa patria (seriously threatening the
> well-being of the Republic), bribery, embezzlement of public funds,
> prevarication, electoral fraud, attacks to dignitas, slander or libel, or
> whenever the sententia might imply the loss of citizenship for one of the
> parties.
>
> B. In all other occasions, the tribunalis shall be composed of a single
> iudex."
>
> Is this not a case where the loss of citizenship is a possible outcome?
> That is what I have read. If that is so, then there should be ten judges and
> not just one.
> Furthermore, there is no mention of a jury here. This specifically applies
> to judges.
>
> Valete,
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
>
>
>
> <<--- On Sat, 6/26/10, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Quinto Fabio Maximo salutem dicit
>
> What does our law state about the number of iudices? Or judges in English.
> Practice what you typically preach. What does the law state?
>
> Vale,
>
> Modianus>>
>
> >>>On Jun 26, 2010 12:50 PM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...<QFabiusMaxmi%40aol.com>>
> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/26/2010 9:17:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>
> >>>>gaiuspopillius@... <gaiuspopillius%40gmail.com> writes:
>
> Sabinus is THE iudx???
>
> As I recall the law requires ten judges.
> You gentlemen are talking about a jury. I thought this was not a Quaestio
> but a Tribunal.<<<<
>
> >>>The problem with picking a jury here in NR by lot is getting an
> impartial
> one. And getting them interested enough to serve.
>
> As Maior's best chance IMO is to have more of a military style Tribunal,
> she apparently agreed.
>
> My own personal opinion is that she has already resigned, which the People
> would demand anyway, so while this is an interesting study (after all we
> get to see the great Apolloninus Cordus in action)
> the whole thing is moot.
>
> - Q. Fabius Maximus<<<
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thank you for clarifying that! I'm looking through all the posts I received from that list and I can't find that one yet. I will. I hope. Someday...
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
 

--- On Sat, 6/26/10, Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:


From: Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Quirites please watch the trial [ wasRe: Laudo Amicus] A Correction
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 2:22 PM


Salve Quirtes,


*deep sigh* Seriously?  I'm on this Tribunalis list as well, so I saw this
post..  Was hoping someone else would point that out..


Okay according to the post that was made on June 25th 2010, made by Q.
Caecilius Metellus.. A request was made that the sentence of banning one M.
Hortensia Maior for five years was changed to one M. Hortensia Maior  being
banned to never holding Public Office Again for her natural life.

So on that account a single Iudex can be appointed  to oversee this trial.

I did actually ask if it were permissible to state this in a post, and was
told that I could..

So here's the official updated correct information on the punishment
severity..

Vale,
Aeternia



On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete,
>
> The Lex Salicia iudiciarian states:
>
> "VIII. The number of iudices that shall make up the tribunalis (court of
> justice) for a certain case shall be decided by the praetor according to the
> following guidelines:
>
> A. The tribunalis shall be composed of ten (10) iudices whenever the
> intentio includes accusations of laesa patria (seriously threatening the
> well-being of the Republic), bribery, embezzlement of public funds,
> prevarication, electoral fraud, attacks to dignitas, slander or libel, or
> whenever the sententia might imply the loss of citizenship for one of the
> parties.
>
> B. In all other occasions, the tribunalis shall be composed of a single
> iudex."
>
> Is this not a case where the loss of citizenship is a possible outcome?
> That is what I have read. If that is so, then there should be ten judges and
> not just one.
> Furthermore, there is no mention of a jury here. This specifically applies
> to judges.
>
> Valete,
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
>
>
>
> <<--- On Sat, 6/26/10, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Quinto Fabio Maximo salutem dicit
>
> What does our law state about the number of iudices? Or judges in English.
> Practice what you typically preach. What does the law state?
>
> Vale,
>
> Modianus>>
>
> >>>On Jun 26, 2010 12:50 PM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...<QFabiusMaxmi%40aol.com>>
> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/26/2010 9:17:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>
> >>>>gaiuspopillius@... <gaiuspopillius%40gmail.com> writes:
>
> Sabinus is THE iudx???
>
> As I recall the law requires ten judges.
> You gentlemen are talking about a jury. I thought this was not a Quaestio
> but a Tribunal.<<<<
>
> >>>The problem with picking a jury here in NR by lot is getting an
> impartial
> one. And getting them interested enough to serve.
>
> As Maior's best chance IMO is to have more of a military style Tribunal,
> she apparently agreed.
>
> My own personal opinion is that she has already resigned, which the People
> would demand anyway, so while this is an interesting study (after all we
> get to see the great Apolloninus Cordus in action)
> the whole thing is moot.
>
> - Q. Fabius Maximus<<<
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>


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Salvete Quirites!

Please observe that the Comitia Populi Tributa will close in twenty
minutes.

Voting will begin 22th February at 00.00 hour (time of Roma) until
26th February at 24.00 hour (time of Roma) for five full days.

*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul Iterum
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae

Salve,

The link has been sent to you via yahoo messenger sine you are already a
member of that list, for I'm not getting a finger wagged about cross
posting, especially in regards to something so sensitive in nature.

Vale,
Aeternia


On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

>
>
> Thank you for clarifying that! I'm looking through all the posts I received
> from that list and I can't find that one yet. I will. I hope. Someday...
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
> --- On Sat, 6/26/10, Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@...<syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Quirites please watch the trial [ wasRe: Laudo
> Amicus] A Correction
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 2:22 PM
>
>
> Salve Quirtes,
>
> *deep sigh* Seriously? I'm on this Tribunalis list as well, so I saw this
> post.. Was hoping someone else would point that out..
>
> Okay according to the post that was made on June 25th 2010, made by Q.
> Caecilius Metellus.. A request was made that the sentence of banning one M.
> Hortensia Maior for five years was changed to one M. Hortensia Maior being
> banned to never holding Public Office Again for her natural life.
>
> So on that account a single Iudex can be appointed to oversee this trial.
>
> I did actually ask if it were permissible to state this in a post, and was
> told that I could..
>
> So here's the official updated correct information on the punishment
> severity..
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
> maximavaleriamessallina@... <maximavaleriamessallina%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > The Lex Salicia iudiciarian states:
> >
> > "VIII. The number of iudices that shall make up the tribunalis (court of
> > justice) for a certain case shall be decided by the praetor according to
> the
> > following guidelines:
> >
> > A. The tribunalis shall be composed of ten (10) iudices whenever the
> > intentio includes accusations of laesa patria (seriously threatening the
> > well-being of the Republic), bribery, embezzlement of public funds,
> > prevarication, electoral fraud, attacks to dignitas, slander or libel, or
> > whenever the sententia might imply the loss of citizenship for one of the
> > parties.
> >
> > B. In all other occasions, the tribunalis shall be composed of a single
> > iudex."
> >
> > Is this not a case where the loss of citizenship is a possible outcome?
> > That is what I have read. If that is so, then there should be ten judges
> and
> > not just one.
> > Furthermore, there is no mention of a jury here. This specifically
> applies
> > to judges.
> >
> > Valete,
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <<--- On Sat, 6/26/10, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
> <tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Quinto Fabio Maximo salutem dicit
> >
> > What does our law state about the number of iudices? Or judges in
> English.
> > Practice what you typically preach. What does the law state?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Modianus>>
> >
> > >>>On Jun 26, 2010 12:50 PM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...<QFabiusMaxmi%40aol.com>
> <QFabiusMaxmi%40aol.com>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 6/26/2010 9:17:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >
> > >>>>gaiuspopillius@... <gaiuspopillius%40gmail.com><gaiuspopillius%
> 40gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > Sabinus is THE iudx???
> >
> > As I recall the law requires ten judges.
> > You gentlemen are talking about a jury. I thought this was not a Quaestio
> > but a Tribunal.<<<<
> >
> > >>>The problem with picking a jury here in NR by lot is getting an
> > impartial
> > one. And getting them interested enough to serve.
> >
> > As Maior's best chance IMO is to have more of a military style Tribunal,
> > she apparently agreed.
> >
> > My own personal opinion is that she has already resigned, which the
> People
> > would demand anyway, so while this is an interesting study (after all we
> > get to see the great Apolloninus Cordus in action)
> > the whole thing is moot.
> >
> > - Q. Fabius Maximus<<<
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

Several days ago (I think) someone, I believe it was our esteemed Agricola,
mentioned, pretty much in passing, that blogs were a great to express one's
thoughts. This got me to thinking (yes, dangerous, I know).

I don't know how complicated it would be to create a blog hosting (um, cite?
service?) but I'd like to see that happen. I'd like to see 2 criteria for
the blogs we host. 1. Any NR citizen could maintain a blog, and post about
pretty much anything. Among other things, this would allow us to get to
"know" our citizens in more holistic and human terms), and 2. Anyone could
maintain a blog about Rome, her Provinces ...the ancient world ...so long as
it was relevant to us, in some way, even tangentially.

Further, I'd like to see a few "official" on-going blogs, NR news, RR topics
and news and maybe others.

Meanwhile ...it might be worth our while for someone to collect a list of
all the blogs our citizens have, and where they might be found.

thoughts?

Respectfully,
C. Maria Caeca

In a message dated 6/26/2010 1:52:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
maximavaleriamessallina@... writes:

Furthermore, there is no mention of a jury here. This specifically applies
to judges.





In early Rome, the judges was the jury. Sigh....

If Maior is being threatened by loss of citizenship if not acquitted, this
is news to me.

- Q. Fabius Maximus


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve,
First off let me say great idea but if I play the devil's advocate for a second, what's to stop the same fighting from happening over the blog? I mean if one can post comments then one could fight also whats to stop multiple blogs? I mean if I make one(and now I have blog fever) and post my views about the republic and that the Religio should come first then whats to stop someone else making one about his/her views? I'm just saying..... safety favors the cautious, but Fortune favors the bold. Let's try it. But for goodness sake let's behave?

________________________________
From: C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 8:59:47 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] idea maybe?


C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

Several days ago (I think) someone, I believe it was our esteemed Agricola,
mentioned, pretty much in passing, that blogs were a great to express one's
thoughts. This got me to thinking (yes, dangerous, I know).

I don't know how complicated it would be to create a blog hosting (um, cite?
service?) but I'd like to see that happen. I'd like to see 2 criteria for
the blogs we host. 1. Any NR citizen could maintain a blog, and post about
pretty much anything. Among other things, this would allow us to get to
"know" our citizens in more holistic and human terms), and 2. Anyone could
maintain a blog about Rome, her Provinces ...the ancient world ...so long as
it was relevant to us, in some way, even tangentially.

Further, I'd like to see a few "official" on-going blogs, NR news, RR topics
and news and maybe others.

Meanwhile ...it might be worth our while for someone to collect a list of
all the blogs our citizens have, and where they might be found.

thoughts?

Respectfully,
C. Maria Caeca







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Caeca Nero Sal,

The short answer to your question is ...nothing. However ...if one goes to a blog that seems to specialize in controversy ...one can leave, and never come back. Eventually, there will be a lone blogger, posting into the ether ...and very few, if any, reading or commenting.

I suspect, although I can't prove this ...that they would "police" themselves, pretty much, although we might set up guidelines which, I think, it would be most natural for the praetors to enforce.

If I'm not mistaken, most blog hosting sites have guidelines concerning content and language, don't they? I don't mean anything heavy handed ...just enough to ensure that things don't get way out of control.

Vale bene,
CMC

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Salve,
Hmm ok so are we talking about the Praetors watching over what's said on ones private site, I mean on the NR boards yea sure they can police us but to get into a third party site....that would be cutting the line of free speech pretty thin. Allow me an analogy,(I love these:) If NR was america and uncle sam(Praetors) could look over your sayings and doings while IN america can he say anything about what you do in italy(the blog site)?


________________________________
From: C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 10:17:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] idea maybe?


Caeca Nero Sal,

The short answer to your question is ...nothing. However ...if one goes to a blog that seems to specialize in controversy ...one can leave, and never come back. Eventually, there will be a lone blogger, posting into the ether ...and very few, if any, reading or commenting.

I suspect, although I can't prove this ...that they would "police" themselves, pretty much, although we might set up guidelines which, I think, it would be most natural for the praetors to enforce.

If I'm not mistaken, most blog hosting sites have guidelines concerning content and language, don't they? I don't mean anything heavy handed ...just enough to ensure that things don't get way out of control.

Vale bene,
CMC

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Caeca Neroni(?) sal,

Oh, dear ...I didn't make myself clear, Please forgive me. No ...of course our Praetora couldn't oversee a 3d party site! If we had our own, yes, then they could, at least to some extent, but it wouldn't be as strong as, say, the moderation on this list. right now, I'm just brainstorming ...trying to think outside the box, so to speak. I certainly don't have all the little details worked out (grin), and don't have the expertise to do that!

Vale,
CMC

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Salve,
ok ok sorry I misunderstood you. Maybe we should see if it would be possible to get our own blog site link it to the main one?
DVIC
Nero



________________________________
From: C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 10:41:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] idea maybe?


Caeca Neroni(?) sal,

Oh, dear ...I didn't make myself clear, Please forgive me. No ...of course our Praetora couldn't oversee a 3d party site! If we had our own, yes, then they could, at least to some extent, but it wouldn't be as strong as, say, the moderation on this list. right now, I'm just brainstorming ...trying to think outside the box, so to speak. I certainly don't have all the little details worked out (grin), and don't have the expertise to do that!

Vale,
CMC

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Caeca Neroni Sal,

Getting our own blog hosting site would be a long term goal, yes. Meanwhile, though, if someone is willing to do the work, we could collect links to existing blogs which our citizens maintain (I know of a few, some excellent), and ...well. We cold post those links weekly, and, if possible, place them in a folder on the ML list page, and maybe in the WIKI, so that people could explore.

Vale bene,
CMC

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Salve,

Do you really think this is a viable idea when NR has so many lists that are practically dead from lack of activity?

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Caeca Neroni Sal,
>
> Getting our own blog hosting site would be a long term goal, yes. Meanwhile, though, if someone is willing to do the work, we could collect links to existing blogs which our citizens maintain (I know of a few, some excellent), and ...well. We cold post those links weekly, and, if possible, place them in a folder on the ML list page, and maybe in the WIKI, so that people could explore.
>
> Vale bene,
> CMC
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve,
It's something, which is a lot more then what everyone else seems to be saying right now.
DVIC
Nero.



________________________________
From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 11:08:34 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: idea maybe?



Salve,

Do you really think this is a viable idea when NR has so many lists that are practically dead from lack of activity?

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Caeca Neroni Sal,
>
> Getting our own blog hosting site would be a long term goal, yes. Meanwhile, though, if someone is willing to do the work, we could collect links to existing blogs which our citizens maintain (I know of a few, some excellent), and ...well. We cold post those links weekly, and, if possible, place them in a folder on the ML list page, and maybe in the WIKI, so that people could explore.
>
> Vale bene,
> CMC
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







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Aeternia Gualtero Neroni Caecae SPD:

Not exactly sure which side I'm actually on with this topic, but I do like
thread and the idea..

Believe it or not Gualterus, blogging is more appealing to the trendy
crowds, than yahoo lists, it gives one a forum to continually speak, about
everything and anything, and it doesn't clutter ones inbox.

For one who does have her own blog, okay so I have a blog over at the
livejournal.com for the last five years, which is a great place you can
either host your own blog or set up a community, the key is you have to be a
member of livejournal... I know a few friends who also have blogs over at
blogspot.com

This could be a great avenue for NR to dive into is social networking and
maybe possibly recruitment if civility could be maintained.. You could have
people hosting blogs on particular themes such as Ancient Roman History,
Roman Speeches, Roman Mythology and Mythical Creatures, all just good
examples, of what could be done with the concept of "blogging"..

Here comes the other side of my coin though, I do not believe the Praetors
should be in charge of moderating these blogging expeditions, for with just
the Main List alone its a daunting task to shepherd, I would concede only if
its on a NR official hosting site and it should be ran by Appointed
Scribes.. If its a 3rd party site, moderating duties should go to the person
who originally develops the blog..

I had more to say on this but I find myself rambling, so I shall ponder
more..

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:59 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

>
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
>
> Several days ago (I think) someone, I believe it was our esteemed Agricola,
>
> mentioned, pretty much in passing, that blogs were a great to express one's
>
> thoughts. This got me to thinking (yes, dangerous, I know).
>
> I don't know how complicated it would be to create a blog hosting (um,
> cite?
> service?) but I'd like to see that happen. I'd like to see 2 criteria for
> the blogs we host. 1. Any NR citizen could maintain a blog, and post about
> pretty much anything. Among other things, this would allow us to get to
> "know" our citizens in more holistic and human terms), and 2. Anyone could
> maintain a blog about Rome, her Provinces ...the ancient world ...so long
> as
> it was relevant to us, in some way, even tangentially.
>
> Further, I'd like to see a few "official" on-going blogs, NR news, RR
> topics
> and news and maybe others.
>
> Meanwhile ...it might be worth our while for someone to collect a list of
> all the blogs our citizens have, and where they might be found.
>
> thoughts?
>
> Respectfully,
> C. Maria Caeca
>
>
>


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Caeca Gualtero Sal,

I think it is worth considering.

Vale,
CMC

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Salve,

My inbox doesn't get cluttered with anything since I have all of the yahoo lists set on web only. :)

I really don't think there's enough motivation from people to do anything like this; it takes much less effort to post on a list and apart from the ML and the religio lists most others are dead. Those who have the motivation and desire, like yourself, already have blogs.

I think instead of trying to find new technologies to communicate online we should first make sure there's enough of a pulse in NR to keep going with what we have; moreover, I think we should be encouraging more physical meetings instead of entrenching further in a virtual world.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Aeternia Gualtero Neroni Caecae SPD:
>
> Not exactly sure which side I'm actually on with this topic, but I do like
> thread and the idea..
>
> Believe it or not Gualterus, blogging is more appealing to the trendy
> crowds, than yahoo lists, it gives one a forum to continually speak, about
> everything and anything, and it doesn't clutter ones inbox.
>
> For one who does have her own blog, okay so I have a blog over at the
> livejournal.com for the last five years, which is a great place you can
> either host your own blog or set up a community, the key is you have to be a
> member of livejournal... I know a few friends who also have blogs over at
> blogspot.com
>
> This could be a great avenue for NR to dive into is social networking and
> maybe possibly recruitment if civility could be maintained.. You could have
> people hosting blogs on particular themes such as Ancient Roman History,
> Roman Speeches, Roman Mythology and Mythical Creatures, all just good
> examples, of what could be done with the concept of "blogging"..
>
> Here comes the other side of my coin though, I do not believe the Praetors
> should be in charge of moderating these blogging expeditions, for with just
> the Main List alone its a daunting task to shepherd, I would concede only if
> its on a NR official hosting site and it should be ran by Appointed
> Scribes.. If its a 3rd party site, moderating duties should go to the person
> who originally develops the blog..
>
> I had more to say on this but I find myself rambling, so I shall ponder
> more..
>
> Vale Optime,
> Aeternia
>
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:59 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
> >
> > Several days ago (I think) someone, I believe it was our esteemed Agricola,
> >
> > mentioned, pretty much in passing, that blogs were a great to express one's
> >
> > thoughts. This got me to thinking (yes, dangerous, I know).
> >
> > I don't know how complicated it would be to create a blog hosting (um,
> > cite?
> > service?) but I'd like to see that happen. I'd like to see 2 criteria for
> > the blogs we host. 1. Any NR citizen could maintain a blog, and post about
> > pretty much anything. Among other things, this would allow us to get to
> > "know" our citizens in more holistic and human terms), and 2. Anyone could
> > maintain a blog about Rome, her Provinces ...the ancient world ...so long
> > as
> > it was relevant to us, in some way, even tangentially.
> >
> > Further, I'd like to see a few "official" on-going blogs, NR news, RR
> > topics
> > and news and maybe others.
> >
> > Meanwhile ...it might be worth our while for someone to collect a list of
> > all the blogs our citizens have, and where they might be found.
> >
> > thoughts?
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > C. Maria Caeca
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Aeternia Gualtero sal,

Well not everyone goes about their inbox in the way that you do Gualtere,
what can one say you are one of a kind I suppose :)

I am seeing a different side of this, an option to keep that barnacle
encrusted heart pulp known as NR, if say we develop blogs we could attract
different types of the Roman Enthusist, Cultor, Scholar, Re-Enactor , etc
etc.... I'm looking at it from a recruiting standpoint as it were.

And you know how I feel about physical meetings face to face, do I not live
with two other Nova Romans hmmm? I'm all about physical meetings, they can
be fun and it gives you an actual face to the people that you see post so
much..

But if there is an opportunity to bring back that active positive spark,
should we not embrace it even if it happens to be that evil word known as
"virtual".

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:37 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>wrote:

>
>
>
> Salve,
>
> My inbox doesn't get cluttered with anything since I have all of the yahoo
> lists set on web only. :)
>
> I really don't think there's enough motivation from people to do anything
> like this; it takes much less effort to post on a list and apart from the ML
> and the religio lists most others are dead. Those who have the motivation
> and desire, like yourself, already have blogs.
>
> I think instead of trying to find new technologies to communicate online we
> should first make sure there's enough of a pulse in NR to keep going with
> what we have; moreover, I think we should be encouraging more physical
> meetings instead of entrenching further in a virtual world.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Belle
> Morte <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
> >
> > Aeternia Gualtero Neroni Caecae SPD:
> >
> > Not exactly sure which side I'm actually on with this topic, but I do
> like
> > thread and the idea..
> >
> > Believe it or not Gualterus, blogging is more appealing to the trendy
> > crowds, than yahoo lists, it gives one a forum to continually speak,
> about
> > everything and anything, and it doesn't clutter ones inbox.
> >
> > For one who does have her own blog, okay so I have a blog over at the
> > livejournal.com for the last five years, which is a great place you can
> > either host your own blog or set up a community, the key is you have to
> be a
> > member of livejournal... I know a few friends who also have blogs over at
> > blogspot.com
> >
> > This could be a great avenue for NR to dive into is social networking and
> > maybe possibly recruitment if civility could be maintained.. You could
> have
> > people hosting blogs on particular themes such as Ancient Roman History,
> > Roman Speeches, Roman Mythology and Mythical Creatures, all just good
> > examples, of what could be done with the concept of "blogging"..
> >
> > Here comes the other side of my coin though, I do not believe the
> Praetors
> > should be in charge of moderating these blogging expeditions, for with
> just
> > the Main List alone its a daunting task to shepherd, I would concede only
> if
> > its on a NR official hosting site and it should be ran by Appointed
> > Scribes.. If its a 3rd party site, moderating duties should go to the
> person
> > who originally develops the blog..
> >
> > I had more to say on this but I find myself rambling, so I shall ponder
> > more..
> >
> > Vale Optime,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:59 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
> > >
> > > Several days ago (I think) someone, I believe it was our esteemed
> Agricola,
> > >
> > > mentioned, pretty much in passing, that blogs were a great to express
> one's
> > >
> > > thoughts. This got me to thinking (yes, dangerous, I know).
> > >
> > > I don't know how complicated it would be to create a blog hosting (um,
> > > cite?
> > > service?) but I'd like to see that happen. I'd like to see 2 criteria
> for
> > > the blogs we host. 1. Any NR citizen could maintain a blog, and post
> about
> > > pretty much anything. Among other things, this would allow us to get to
> > > "know" our citizens in more holistic and human terms), and 2. Anyone
> could
> > > maintain a blog about Rome, her Provinces ...the ancient world ...so
> long
> > > as
> > > it was relevant to us, in some way, even tangentially.
> > >
> > > Further, I'd like to see a few "official" on-going blogs, NR news, RR
> > > topics
> > > and news and maybe others.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile ...it might be worth our while for someone to collect a list
> of
> > > all the blogs our citizens have, and where they might be found.
> > >
> > > thoughts?
> > >
> > > Respectfully,
> > > C. Maria Caeca
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, if someone has sufficient enthusiasm and wants to follow through with this, then that's okay, but being such a tiny community I'd be a little concerned about having our efforts and attention split along too many different communication media.

Now, if this is just a recruitment campaign, then I can see some logic in it. I think the categories of "Roman enthusiast" and "Cultor" would be most interested.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Aeternia Gualtero sal,
>
> Well not everyone goes about their inbox in the way that you do Gualtere,
> what can one say you are one of a kind I suppose :)
>
> I am seeing a different side of this, an option to keep that barnacle
> encrusted heart pulp known as NR, if say we develop blogs we could attract
> different types of the Roman Enthusist, Cultor, Scholar, Re-Enactor , etc
> etc.... I'm looking at it from a recruiting standpoint as it were.
>
> And you know how I feel about physical meetings face to face, do I not live
> with two other Nova Romans hmmm? I'm all about physical meetings, they can
> be fun and it gives you an actual face to the people that you see post so
> much..
>
> But if there is an opportunity to bring back that active positive spark,
> should we not embrace it even if it happens to be that evil word known as
> "virtual".
>
> Vale Optime,
> Aeternia
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:37 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > My inbox doesn't get cluttered with anything since I have all of the yahoo
> > lists set on web only. :)
> >
> > I really don't think there's enough motivation from people to do anything
> > like this; it takes much less effort to post on a list and apart from the ML
> > and the religio lists most others are dead. Those who have the motivation
> > and desire, like yourself, already have blogs.
> >
> > I think instead of trying to find new technologies to communicate online we
> > should first make sure there's enough of a pulse in NR to keep going with
> > what we have; moreover, I think we should be encouraging more physical
> > meetings instead of entrenching further in a virtual world.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Gualterus
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Belle
> > Morte <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Aeternia Gualtero Neroni Caecae SPD:
> > >
> > > Not exactly sure which side I'm actually on with this topic, but I do
> > like
> > > thread and the idea..
> > >
> > > Believe it or not Gualterus, blogging is more appealing to the trendy
> > > crowds, than yahoo lists, it gives one a forum to continually speak,
> > about
> > > everything and anything, and it doesn't clutter ones inbox.
> > >
> > > For one who does have her own blog, okay so I have a blog over at the
> > > livejournal.com for the last five years, which is a great place you can
> > > either host your own blog or set up a community, the key is you have to
> > be a
> > > member of livejournal... I know a few friends who also have blogs over at
> > > blogspot.com
> > >
> > > This could be a great avenue for NR to dive into is social networking and
> > > maybe possibly recruitment if civility could be maintained.. You could
> > have
> > > people hosting blogs on particular themes such as Ancient Roman History,
> > > Roman Speeches, Roman Mythology and Mythical Creatures, all just good
> > > examples, of what could be done with the concept of "blogging"..
> > >
> > > Here comes the other side of my coin though, I do not believe the
> > Praetors
> > > should be in charge of moderating these blogging expeditions, for with
> > just
> > > the Main List alone its a daunting task to shepherd, I would concede only
> > if
> > > its on a NR official hosting site and it should be ran by Appointed
> > > Scribes.. If its a 3rd party site, moderating duties should go to the
> > person
> > > who originally develops the blog..
> > >
> > > I had more to say on this but I find myself rambling, so I shall ponder
> > > more..
> > >
> > > Vale Optime,
> > > Aeternia
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:59 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
> > > >
> > > > Several days ago (I think) someone, I believe it was our esteemed
> > Agricola,
> > > >
> > > > mentioned, pretty much in passing, that blogs were a great to express
> > one's
> > > >
> > > > thoughts. This got me to thinking (yes, dangerous, I know).
> > > >
> > > > I don't know how complicated it would be to create a blog hosting (um,
> > > > cite?
> > > > service?) but I'd like to see that happen. I'd like to see 2 criteria
> > for
> > > > the blogs we host. 1. Any NR citizen could maintain a blog, and post
> > about
> > > > pretty much anything. Among other things, this would allow us to get to
> > > > "know" our citizens in more holistic and human terms), and 2. Anyone
> > could
> > > > maintain a blog about Rome, her Provinces ...the ancient world ...so
> > long
> > > > as
> > > > it was relevant to us, in some way, even tangentially.
> > > >
> > > > Further, I'd like to see a few "official" on-going blogs, NR news, RR
> > > > topics
> > > > and news and maybe others.
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile ...it might be worth our while for someone to collect a list
> > of
> > > > all the blogs our citizens have, and where they might be found.
> > > >
> > > > thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Respectfully,
> > > > C. Maria Caeca
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve,
Ok first I think the blog is a lovely idea and per example I haven't seen it as of late but the today in Roman history thred we used to have seems like one way to go. As my branch I was thinking more tot he recruitment side. Should we not be looking into talking into our cousins? Wiccans and other Pagan I'm told there is 10 million of us in the world is 10 million really considered small?
DVIC
Nero


________________________________
From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:25:56 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: idea maybe?



Well, if someone has sufficient enthusiasm and wants to follow through with this, then that's okay, but being such a tiny community I'd be a little concerned about having our efforts and attention split along too many different communication media.

Now, if this is just a recruitment campaign, then I can see some logic in it. I think the categories of "Roman enthusiast" and "Cultor" would be most interested.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Aeternia Gualtero sal,
>
> Well not everyone goes about their inbox in the way that you do Gualtere,
> what can one say you are one of a kind I suppose :)
>
> I am seeing a different side of this, an option to keep that barnacle
> encrusted heart pulp known as NR, if say we develop blogs we could attract
> different types of the Roman Enthusist, Cultor, Scholar, Re-Enactor , etc
> etc.... I'm looking at it from a recruiting standpoint as it were.
>
> And you know how I feel about physical meetings face to face, do I not live
> with two other Nova Romans hmmm? I'm all about physical meetings, they can
> be fun and it gives you an actual face to the people that you see post so
> much..
>
> But if there is an opportunity to bring back that active positive spark,
> should we not embrace it even if it happens to be that evil word known as
> "virtual".
>
> Vale Optime,
> Aeternia
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:37 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > My inbox doesn't get cluttered with anything since I have all of the yahoo
> > lists set on web only. :)
> >
> > I really don't think there's enough motivation from people to do anything
> > like this; it takes much less effort to post on a list and apart from the ML
> > and the religio lists most others are dead. Those who have the motivation
> > and desire, like yourself, already have blogs.
> >
> > I think instead of trying to find new technologies to communicate online we
> > should first make sure there's enough of a pulse in NR to keep going with
> > what we have; moreover, I think we should be encouraging more physical
> > meetings instead of entrenching further in a virtual world.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Gualterus
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Belle
> > Morte <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Aeternia Gualtero Neroni Caecae SPD:
> > >
> > > Not exactly sure which side I'm actually on with this topic, but I do
> > like
> > > thread and the idea..
> > >
> > > Believe it or not Gualterus, blogging is more appealing to the trendy
> > > crowds, than yahoo lists, it gives one a forum to continually speak,
> > about
> > > everything and anything, and it doesn't clutter ones inbox.
> > >
> > > For one who does have her own blog, okay so I have a blog over at the
> > > livejournal.com for the last five years, which is a great place you can
> > > either host your own blog or set up a community, the key is you have to
> > be a
> > > member of livejournal... I know a few friends who also have blogs over at
> > > blogspot.com
> > >
> > > This could be a great avenue for NR to dive into is social networking and
> > > maybe possibly recruitment if civility could be maintained.. You could
> > have
> > > people hosting blogs on particular themes such as Ancient Roman History,
> > > Roman Speeches, Roman Mythology and Mythical Creatures, all just good
> > > examples, of what could be done with the concept of "blogging"..
> > >
> > > Here comes the other side of my coin though, I do not believe the
> > Praetors
> > > should be in charge of moderating these blogging expeditions, for with
> > just
> > > the Main List alone its a daunting task to shepherd, I would concede only
> > if
> > > its on a NR official hosting site and it should be ran by Appointed
> > > Scribes.. If its a 3rd party site, moderating duties should go to the
> > person
> > > who originally develops the blog..
> > >
> > > I had more to say on this but I find myself rambling, so I shall ponder
> > > more..
> > >
> > > Vale Optime,
> > > Aeternia
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:59 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
> > > >
> > > > Several days ago (I think) someone, I believe it was our esteemed
> > Agricola,
> > > >
> > > > mentioned, pretty much in passing, that blogs were a great to express
> > one's
> > > >
> > > > thoughts. This got me to thinking (yes, dangerous, I know).
> > > >
> > > > I don't know how complicated it would be to create a blog hosting (um,
> > > > cite?
> > > > service?) but I'd like to see that happen. I'd like to see 2 criteria
> > for
> > > > the blogs we host. 1. Any NR citizen could maintain a blog, and post
> > about
> > > > pretty much anything. Among other things, this would allow us to get to
> > > > "know" our citizens in more holistic and human terms), and 2. Anyone
> > could
> > > > maintain a blog about Rome, her Provinces ...the ancient world ...so
> > long
> > > > as
> > > > it was relevant to us, in some way, even tangentially.
> > > >
> > > > Further, I'd like to see a few "official" on-going blogs, NR news, RR
> > > > topics
> > > > and news and maybe others.
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile ...it might be worth our while for someone to collect a list
> > of
> > > > all the blogs our citizens have, and where they might be found.
> > > >
> > > > thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Respectfully,
> > > > C. Maria Caeca
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve,

Well I'm just attempting to think outside the box, I do not believe the idea
should be shot down and dismissed so easily.. It should be broken down and
be reviewed upon what this organization is capable of doing and what can be
feasibly done at this current time.

Add Re-Enactor along to the categories of the most interested, although I
get the feeling you already knew I was going to say that :)

Vale et Valete.

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:25 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>wrote:

>
>
>
> Well, if someone has sufficient enthusiasm and wants to follow through with
> this, then that's okay, but being such a tiny community I'd be a little
> concerned about having our efforts and attention split along too many
> different communication media.
>
> Now, if this is just a recruitment campaign, then I can see some logic in
> it. I think the categories of "Roman enthusiast" and "Cultor" would be most
> interested.
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Belle
> Morte <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
> >
> > Aeternia Gualtero sal,
> >
> > Well not everyone goes about their inbox in the way that you do Gualtere,
> > what can one say you are one of a kind I suppose :)
> >
> > I am seeing a different side of this, an option to keep that barnacle
> > encrusted heart pulp known as NR, if say we develop blogs we could
> attract
> > different types of the Roman Enthusist, Cultor, Scholar, Re-Enactor , etc
> > etc.... I'm looking at it from a recruiting standpoint as it were.
> >
> > And you know how I feel about physical meetings face to face, do I not
> live
> > with two other Nova Romans hmmm? I'm all about physical meetings, they
> can
> > be fun and it gives you an actual face to the people that you see post so
> > much..
> >
> > But if there is an opportunity to bring back that active positive spark,
> > should we not embrace it even if it happens to be that evil word known as
> > "virtual".
> >
> > Vale Optime,
> > Aeternia
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:37 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > My inbox doesn't get cluttered with anything since I have all of the
> yahoo
> > > lists set on web only. :)
> > >
> > > I really don't think there's enough motivation from people to do
> anything
> > > like this; it takes much less effort to post on a list and apart from
> the ML
> > > and the religio lists most others are dead. Those who have the
> motivation
> > > and desire, like yourself, already have blogs.
> > >
> > > I think instead of trying to find new technologies to communicate
> online we
> > > should first make sure there's enough of a pulse in NR to keep going
> with
> > > what we have; moreover, I think we should be encouraging more physical
> > > meetings instead of entrenching further in a virtual world.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Gualterus
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Belle
>
> > > Morte <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aeternia Gualtero Neroni Caecae SPD:
> > > >
> > > > Not exactly sure which side I'm actually on with this topic, but I do
> > > like
> > > > thread and the idea..
> > > >
> > > > Believe it or not Gualterus, blogging is more appealing to the trendy
> > > > crowds, than yahoo lists, it gives one a forum to continually speak,
> > > about
> > > > everything and anything, and it doesn't clutter ones inbox.
> > > >
> > > > For one who does have her own blog, okay so I have a blog over at the
> > > > livejournal.com for the last five years, which is a great place you
> can
> > > > either host your own blog or set up a community, the key is you have
> to
> > > be a
> > > > member of livejournal... I know a few friends who also have blogs
> over at
> > > > blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > > This could be a great avenue for NR to dive into is social networking
> and
> > > > maybe possibly recruitment if civility could be maintained.. You
> could
> > > have
> > > > people hosting blogs on particular themes such as Ancient Roman
> History,
> > > > Roman Speeches, Roman Mythology and Mythical Creatures, all just good
> > > > examples, of what could be done with the concept of "blogging"..
> > > >
> > > > Here comes the other side of my coin though, I do not believe the
> > > Praetors
> > > > should be in charge of moderating these blogging expeditions, for
> with
> > > just
> > > > the Main List alone its a daunting task to shepherd, I would concede
> only
> > > if
> > > > its on a NR official hosting site and it should be ran by Appointed
> > > > Scribes.. If its a 3rd party site, moderating duties should go to the
> > > person
> > > > who originally develops the blog..
> > > >
> > > > I had more to say on this but I find myself rambling, so I shall
> ponder
> > > > more..
> > > >
> > > > Vale Optime,
> > > > Aeternia
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:59 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
> > > > >
> > > > > Several days ago (I think) someone, I believe it was our esteemed
> > > Agricola,
> > > > >
> > > > > mentioned, pretty much in passing, that blogs were a great to
> express
> > > one's
> > > > >
> > > > > thoughts. This got me to thinking (yes, dangerous, I know).
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know how complicated it would be to create a blog hosting
> (um,
> > > > > cite?
> > > > > service?) but I'd like to see that happen. I'd like to see 2
> criteria
> > > for
> > > > > the blogs we host. 1. Any NR citizen could maintain a blog, and
> post
> > > about
> > > > > pretty much anything. Among other things, this would allow us to
> get to
> > > > > "know" our citizens in more holistic and human terms), and 2.
> Anyone
> > > could
> > > > > maintain a blog about Rome, her Provinces ...the ancient world
> ...so
> > > long
> > > > > as
> > > > > it was relevant to us, in some way, even tangentially.
> > > > >
> > > > > Further, I'd like to see a few "official" on-going blogs, NR news,
> RR
> > > > > topics
> > > > > and news and maybe others.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile ...it might be worth our while for someone to collect a
> list
> > > of
> > > > > all the blogs our citizens have, and where they might be found.
> > > > >
> > > > > thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > Respectfully,
> > > > > C. Maria Caeca
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I was referring to Nova Romans... there's only about 200 active members.

-Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
> Ok first I think the blog is a lovely idea and per example I haven't seen it as of late but the today in Roman history thred we used to have seems like one way to go. As my branch I was thinking more tot he recruitment side. Should we not be looking into talking into our cousins? Wiccans and other Pagan I'm told there is 10 million of us in the world is 10 million really considered small?
> DVIC
> Nero
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:25:56 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: idea maybe?
>
>
>
> Well, if someone has sufficient enthusiasm and wants to follow through with this, then that's okay, but being such a tiny community I'd be a little concerned about having our efforts and attention split along too many different communication media.
>
> Now, if this is just a recruitment campaign, then I can see some logic in it. I think the categories of "Roman enthusiast" and "Cultor" would be most interested.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> >
> > Aeternia Gualtero sal,
> >
> > Well not everyone goes about their inbox in the way that you do Gualtere,
> > what can one say you are one of a kind I suppose :)
> >
> > I am seeing a different side of this, an option to keep that barnacle
> > encrusted heart pulp known as NR, if say we develop blogs we could attract
> > different types of the Roman Enthusist, Cultor, Scholar, Re-Enactor , etc
> > etc.... I'm looking at it from a recruiting standpoint as it were.
> >
> > And you know how I feel about physical meetings face to face, do I not live
> > with two other Nova Romans hmmm? I'm all about physical meetings, they can
> > be fun and it gives you an actual face to the people that you see post so
> > much..
> >
> > But if there is an opportunity to bring back that active positive spark,
> > should we not embrace it even if it happens to be that evil word known as
> > "virtual".
> >
> > Vale Optime,
> > Aeternia
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:37 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > My inbox doesn't get cluttered with anything since I have all of the yahoo
> > > lists set on web only. :)
> > >
> > > I really don't think there's enough motivation from people to do anything
> > > like this; it takes much less effort to post on a list and apart from the ML
> > > and the religio lists most others are dead. Those who have the motivation
> > > and desire, like yourself, already have blogs.
> > >
> > > I think instead of trying to find new technologies to communicate online we
> > > should first make sure there's enough of a pulse in NR to keep going with
> > > what we have; moreover, I think we should be encouraging more physical
> > > meetings instead of entrenching further in a virtual world.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Gualterus
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Belle
> > > Morte <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aeternia Gualtero Neroni Caecae SPD:
> > > >
> > > > Not exactly sure which side I'm actually on with this topic, but I do
> > > like
> > > > thread and the idea..
> > > >
> > > > Believe it or not Gualterus, blogging is more appealing to the trendy
> > > > crowds, than yahoo lists, it gives one a forum to continually speak,
> > > about
> > > > everything and anything, and it doesn't clutter ones inbox.
> > > >
> > > > For one who does have her own blog, okay so I have a blog over at the
> > > > livejournal.com for the last five years, which is a great place you can
> > > > either host your own blog or set up a community, the key is you have to
> > > be a
> > > > member of livejournal... I know a few friends who also have blogs over at
> > > > blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > > This could be a great avenue for NR to dive into is social networking and
> > > > maybe possibly recruitment if civility could be maintained.. You could
> > > have
> > > > people hosting blogs on particular themes such as Ancient Roman History,
> > > > Roman Speeches, Roman Mythology and Mythical Creatures, all just good
> > > > examples, of what could be done with the concept of "blogging"..
> > > >
> > > > Here comes the other side of my coin though, I do not believe the
> > > Praetors
> > > > should be in charge of moderating these blogging expeditions, for with
> > > just
> > > > the Main List alone its a daunting task to shepherd, I would concede only
> > > if
> > > > its on a NR official hosting site and it should be ran by Appointed
> > > > Scribes.. If its a 3rd party site, moderating duties should go to the
> > > person
> > > > who originally develops the blog..
> > > >
> > > > I had more to say on this but I find myself rambling, so I shall ponder
> > > > more..
> > > >
> > > > Vale Optime,
> > > > Aeternia
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:59 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
> > > > >
> > > > > Several days ago (I think) someone, I believe it was our esteemed
> > > Agricola,
> > > > >
> > > > > mentioned, pretty much in passing, that blogs were a great to express
> > > one's
> > > > >
> > > > > thoughts. This got me to thinking (yes, dangerous, I know).
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know how complicated it would be to create a blog hosting (um,
> > > > > cite?
> > > > > service?) but I'd like to see that happen. I'd like to see 2 criteria
> > > for
> > > > > the blogs we host. 1. Any NR citizen could maintain a blog, and post
> > > about
> > > > > pretty much anything. Among other things, this would allow us to get to
> > > > > "know" our citizens in more holistic and human terms), and 2. Anyone
> > > could
> > > > > maintain a blog about Rome, her Provinces ...the ancient world ...so
> > > long
> > > > > as
> > > > > it was relevant to us, in some way, even tangentially.
> > > > >
> > > > > Further, I'd like to see a few "official" on-going blogs, NR news, RR
> > > > > topics
> > > > > and news and maybe others.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile ...it might be worth our while for someone to collect a list
> > > of
> > > > > all the blogs our citizens have, and where they might be found.
> > > > >
> > > > > thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > Respectfully,
> > > > > C. Maria Caeca
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salvete Quirites!

A correction to my former message. Here are the correct dates:

Voting starts: 2010-06-24 06:00:00
Voting ends: 2010-06-29 06:01:00

*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul Iterum
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae






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Yahoo! Groups Links

Salve,
I know what you meant what I meant was maybe we SHOULD branch out. 200? Thats a college level physics lecture. Surely we aren't the only ones?
DVIC
Nero



________________________________
From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:43:17 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: idea maybe? Branch...kind of



I was referring to Nova Romans... there's only about 200 active members.

-Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
> Ok first I think the blog is a lovely idea and per example I haven't seen it as of late but the today in Roman history thred we used to have seems like one way to go. As my branch I was thinking more tot he recruitment side. Should we not be looking into talking into our cousins? Wiccans and other Pagan I'm told there is 10 million of us in the world is 10 million really considered small?
> DVIC
> Nero
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:25:56 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: idea maybe?
>
>
>
> Well, if someone has sufficient enthusiasm and wants to follow through with this, then that's okay, but being such a tiny community I'd be a little concerned about having our efforts and attention split along too many different communication media.
>
> Now, if this is just a recruitment campaign, then I can see some logic in it. I think the categories of "Roman enthusiast" and "Cultor" would be most interested.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> >
> > Aeternia Gualtero sal,
> >
> > Well not everyone goes about their inbox in the way that you do Gualtere,
> > what can one say you are one of a kind I suppose :)
> >
> > I am seeing a different side of this, an option to keep that barnacle
> > encrusted heart pulp known as NR, if say we develop blogs we could attract
> > different types of the Roman Enthusist, Cultor, Scholar, Re-Enactor , etc
> > etc.... I'm looking at it from a recruiting standpoint as it were.
> >
> > And you know how I feel about physical meetings face to face, do I not live
> > with two other Nova Romans hmmm? I'm all about physical meetings, they can
> > be fun and it gives you an actual face to the people that you see post so
> > much..
> >
> > But if there is an opportunity to bring back that active positive spark,
> > should we not embrace it even if it happens to be that evil word known as
> > "virtual".
> >
> > Vale Optime,
> > Aeternia
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:37 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > My inbox doesn't get cluttered with anything since I have all of the yahoo
> > > lists set on web only. :)
> > >
> > > I really don't think there's enough motivation from people to do anything
> > > like this; it takes much less effort to post on a list and apart from the ML
> > > and the religio lists most others are dead. Those who have the motivation
> > > and desire, like yourself, already have blogs.
> > >
> > > I think instead of trying to find new technologies to communicate online we
> > > should first make sure there's enough of a pulse in NR to keep going with
> > > what we have; moreover, I think we should be encouraging more physical
> > > meetings instead of entrenching further in a virtual world.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Gualterus
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Belle
> > > Morte <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aeternia Gualtero Neroni Caecae SPD:
> > > >
> > > > Not exactly sure which side I'm actually on with this topic, but I do
> > > like
> > > > thread and the idea..
> > > >
> > > > Believe it or not Gualterus, blogging is more appealing to the trendy
> > > > crowds, than yahoo lists, it gives one a forum to continually speak,
> > > about
> > > > everything and anything, and it doesn't clutter ones inbox.
> > > >
> > > > For one who does have her own blog, okay so I have a blog over at the
> > > > livejournal.com for the last five years, which is a great place you can
> > > > either host your own blog or set up a community, the key is you have to
> > > be a
> > > > member of livejournal... I know a few friends who also have blogs over at
> > > > blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > > This could be a great avenue for NR to dive into is social networking and
> > > > maybe possibly recruitment if civility could be maintained.. You could
> > > have
> > > > people hosting blogs on particular themes such as Ancient Roman History,
> > > > Roman Speeches, Roman Mythology and Mythical Creatures, all just good
> > > > examples, of what could be done with the concept of "blogging"..
> > > >
> > > > Here comes the other side of my coin though, I do not believe the
> > > Praetors
> > > > should be in charge of moderating these blogging expeditions, for with
> > > just
> > > > the Main List alone its a daunting task to shepherd, I would concede only
> > > if
> > > > its on a NR official hosting site and it should be ran by Appointed
> > > > Scribes.. If its a 3rd party site, moderating duties should go to the
> > > person
> > > > who originally develops the blog..
> > > >
> > > > I had more to say on this but I find myself rambling, so I shall ponder
> > > > more..
> > > >
> > > > Vale Optime,
> > > > Aeternia
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:59 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
> > > > >
> > > > > Several days ago (I think) someone, I believe it was our esteemed
> > > Agricola,
> > > > >
> > > > > mentioned, pretty much in passing, that blogs were a great to express
> > > one's
> > > > >
> > > > > thoughts. This got me to thinking (yes, dangerous, I know).
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know how complicated it would be to create a blog hosting (um,
> > > > > cite?
> > > > > service?) but I'd like to see that happen. I'd like to see 2 criteria
> > > for
> > > > > the blogs we host. 1. Any NR citizen could maintain a blog, and post
> > > about
> > > > > pretty much anything. Among other things, this would allow us to get to
> > > > > "know" our citizens in more holistic and human terms), and 2. Anyone
> > > could
> > > > > maintain a blog about Rome, her Provinces ...the ancient world ...so
> > > long
> > > > > as
> > > > > it was relevant to us, in some way, even tangentially.
> > > > >
> > > > > Further, I'd like to see a few "official" on-going blogs, NR news, RR
> > > > > topics
> > > > > and news and maybe others.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile ...it might be worth our while for someone to collect a list
> > > of
> > > > > all the blogs our citizens have, and where they might be found.
> > > > >
> > > > > thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > Respectfully,
> > > > > C. Maria Caeca
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







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Salvete



Her is the link to my blog " from the pages of the Eagle.



http://novaromaeagle.blogspot.com/



I created this in January with article that had been published in the Official Nova Roman Newsletter the Eagle.



I announced it on the main list and to this day , SIX months later I am not sure that any Nova Romans have every been to the site.



Valete



Ti. Galerius Paulinus


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Vale,

What Roman cultores exist outside of NR I think is not quantifiable right now. I'm sure many exist, but we really can't comment about the numbers.

Also, if our internal "house" is messed up, I'm not sure what attraction NR would have for other groups. We've been around a decade and don't even have a temple--not even some land on which to perform regular rituals.

I know we're an international group and there might be some friction about where to get land, but, really, all we need to do is a new census, determine where the highest concentration of cives are and focus on that general area first in terms of acquiring land.

Instead, we have a bank account full of money and are toying with ridiculous side projects, like the Magna Mater project, which, afaik, hasn't even paid out any of the donations. On top of that, we had a delinquent CFO who hasn't put out any budget reports since the first quarter of 2009. I can't completely blame her, though, since she wasn't being paid for this, but she did take on the responsibility. Do we even have the money in the account? Has anyone seen the bank statements? Was it all embezzled away? Who knows.

At any rate, I see the NR community in such a pitiful state that I flinch when I see suggestions that we should spread our attention even more afield.

Why are we all here? We can argue and debate various topics, and I think that is healthy, but we should also be largely in agreement about some basic things. I think acquiring land and building a temple should be a top priority, but it hasn't been.

So, in the end, what can we be proud of here? I think some cives have done amazing things independently, particularly in Europe, but NR itself has accomplished very little. Before we can advertize and recruit we have to have something we can offer other people; we have to get our own house in order.

Vale,

Gualterus Graecus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
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> Salve,
> I know what you meant what I meant was maybe we SHOULD branch out. 200? Thats a college level physics lecture. Surely we aren't the only ones?
> DVIC
> Nero
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> From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:43:17 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: idea maybe? Branch...kind of
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> I was referring to Nova Romans... there's only about 200 active members.
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> -Gualterus
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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@> wrote:
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> > Salve,
> > Ok first I think the blog is a lovely idea and per example I haven't seen it as of late but the today in Roman history thred we used to have seems like one way to go. As my branch I was thinking more tot he recruitment side. Should we not be looking into talking into our cousins? Wiccans and other Pagan I'm told there is 10 million of us in the world is 10 million really considered small?
> > DVIC
> > Nero
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> > From: gualterus_graecus <waltms1@>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:25:56 AM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: idea maybe?
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> > Well, if someone has sufficient enthusiasm and wants to follow through with this, then that's okay, but being such a tiny community I'd be a little concerned about having our efforts and attention split along too many different communication media.
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> > Now, if this is just a recruitment campaign, then I can see some logic in it. I think the categories of "Roman enthusiast" and "Cultor" would be most interested.
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> > Vale,
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> > Gualterus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
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> > > Aeternia Gualtero sal,
> > >
> > > Well not everyone goes about their inbox in the way that you do Gualtere,
> > > what can one say you are one of a kind I suppose :)
> > >
> > > I am seeing a different side of this, an option to keep that barnacle
> > > encrusted heart pulp known as NR, if say we develop blogs we could attract
> > > different types of the Roman Enthusist, Cultor, Scholar, Re-Enactor , etc
> > > etc.... I'm looking at it from a recruiting standpoint as it were.
> > >
> > > And you know how I feel about physical meetings face to face, do I not live
> > > with two other Nova Romans hmmm? I'm all about physical meetings, they can
> > > be fun and it gives you an actual face to the people that you see post so
> > > much..
> > >
> > > But if there is an opportunity to bring back that active positive spark,
> > > should we not embrace it even if it happens to be that evil word known as
> > > "virtual".
> > >
> > > Vale Optime,
> > > Aeternia
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> > > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:37 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@>wrote:
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> > > > Salve,
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> > > > My inbox doesn't get cluttered with anything since I have all of the yahoo
> > > > lists set on web only. :)
> > > >
> > > > I really don't think there's enough motivation from people to do anything
> > > > like this; it takes much less effort to post on a list and apart from the ML
> > > > and the religio lists most others are dead. Those who have the motivation
> > > > and desire, like yourself, already have blogs.
> > > >
> > > > I think instead of trying to find new technologies to communicate online we
> > > > should first make sure there's enough of a pulse in NR to keep going with
> > > > what we have; moreover, I think we should be encouraging more physical
> > > > meetings instead of entrenching further in a virtual world.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Gualterus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Belle
> > > > Morte <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
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> > > > > Aeternia Gualtero Neroni Caecae SPD:
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> > > > > Not exactly sure which side I'm actually on with this topic, but I do
> > > > like
> > > > > thread and the idea..
> > > > >
> > > > > Believe it or not Gualterus, blogging is more appealing to the trendy
> > > > > crowds, than yahoo lists, it gives one a forum to continually speak,
> > > > about
> > > > > everything and anything, and it doesn't clutter ones inbox.
> > > > >
> > > > > For one who does have her own blog, okay so I have a blog over at the
> > > > > livejournal.com for the last five years, which is a great place you can
> > > > > either host your own blog or set up a community, the key is you have to
> > > > be a
> > > > > member of livejournal... I know a few friends who also have blogs over at
> > > > > blogspot.com
> > > > >
> > > > > This could be a great avenue for NR to dive into is social networking and
> > > > > maybe possibly recruitment if civility could be maintained.. You could
> > > > have
> > > > > people hosting blogs on particular themes such as Ancient Roman History,
> > > > > Roman Speeches, Roman Mythology and Mythical Creatures, all just good
> > > > > examples, of what could be done with the concept of "blogging"..
> > > > >
> > > > > Here comes the other side of my coin though, I do not believe the
> > > > Praetors
> > > > > should be in charge of moderating these blogging expeditions, for with
> > > > just
> > > > > the Main List alone its a daunting task to shepherd, I would concede only
> > > > if
> > > > > its on a NR official hosting site and it should be ran by Appointed
> > > > > Scribes.. If its a 3rd party site, moderating duties should go to the
> > > > person
> > > > > who originally develops the blog..
> > > > >
> > > > > I had more to say on this but I find myself rambling, so I shall ponder
> > > > > more..
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale Optime,
> > > > > Aeternia
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:59 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@>wrote:
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> > > > > > C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
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> > > > > > Several days ago (I think) someone, I believe it was our esteemed
> > > > Agricola,
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> > > > > > mentioned, pretty much in passing, that blogs were a great to express
> > > > one's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thoughts. This got me to thinking (yes, dangerous, I know).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know how complicated it would be to create a blog hosting (um,
> > > > > > cite?
> > > > > > service?) but I'd like to see that happen. I'd like to see 2 criteria
> > > > for
> > > > > > the blogs we host. 1. Any NR citizen could maintain a blog, and post
> > > > about
> > > > > > pretty much anything. Among other things, this would allow us to get to
> > > > > > "know" our citizens in more holistic and human terms), and 2. Anyone
> > > > could
> > > > > > maintain a blog about Rome, her Provinces ...the ancient world ...so
> > > > long
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > it was relevant to us, in some way, even tangentially.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Further, I'd like to see a few "official" on-going blogs, NR news, RR
> > > > > > topics
> > > > > > and news and maybe others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Meanwhile ...it might be worth our while for someone to collect a list
> > > > of
> > > > > > all the blogs our citizens have, and where they might be found.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thoughts?
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> > > > > > Respectfully,
> > > > > > C. Maria Caeca
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Thanks for reposting this; I just visited!

-GG

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
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M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di Lares vos salvas et servatas volunt.

Hodie est ante diem V Kalendas Quinctilias; haec dies comitialis est: Laribus in Viae Sacrae; Iovi Statori.

AUC 459 / 294 BCE: Temple of Jupiter Stator

Following the rape of the Sabine women by Romulus and his men at the feast of Consualia, a war began between Romulus with the Romans on the Palatine against the Sabines led by Titus Tatius on the Quirinal. The Sabines had won the Arx, and then a battle began in the plane between the Capitoline and the Palatine. The Sabines pushed the Romans back onto the Palatine. Romulus called on Jupiter, vowing Him a templum, if He would stay the flight of the Romans.

"The Sabines were in possession of the citadel. And they would not come down from it the next day, though the Roman army was drawn up in battle array over the whole of the ground between the Palatine and the Capitoline hill, until, exasperated at the loss of their citadel and determined to recover it, the Romans mounted to the attack. Advancing before the rest, Mettius Curtius, on the side of the Sabines, and Hostius Hostilius, on the side of the Romans, engaged in single combat. Hostius, fighting on disadvantageous ground, upheld the fortunes of Rome by his intrepid bravery, but at last he fell; the Roman line broke and fled to what was then the gate of the Palatine. Even Romulus was being swept away by the crowd of fugitives, and lifting up his hands to heaven he exclaimed: "Jupiter, it was thy omen that I obeyed when I laid here on the Palatine the earliest foundations of the City. Now the Sabines hold its citadel, having bought it by a bribe, and coming thence have seized the valley and are pressing hitherwards in battle. Do thou, Father of gods and men, drive hence our foes, banish terror from Roman hearts, and stay our shameful flight! Here do I vow a temple to thee, 'Jove Stator,' as a memorial for the generations to come that it is through thy present help that the City has been saved." Then, as though he had become aware that his prayer had been heard, he cried, "Back, Romans! Jupiter Optimus Maximus bids you stand and renew the battle." They stopped as though commanded by a voice from heaven-Romulus dashed up to the front of the line." ~ Titus Livius 1.12

Romulus built a fanum (Livius 10.37.16). A temple was later vowed by M. Atilius Regulus during a battle with the Samnites (Livius 10.36.11).


Temple of the Lares

Today marks the rededication of the Temple of the Lares by Augustus (Res Gestae 4, 19). The temple was located at the highest point of the Via Sacra, near the fanum of Orbona, and near where the Arch of Titus would later be erected. The earliest mention of the temple is found in the Iulii Obsequentis ab anno Urbis Conditae du Prodigiorum Liber 41 where a blaze, penetrating from the gable to the height of the column was noted as a prodigy during the consulship of Q. Servilio Caepione and C. Atilio Serrano (106 BCE).


AUC 585 / 168 BCE: The Surrender of Perseus

"Meantime the fleet under Cn. Octavius had put in at Samothrace. Octavius thought that the presence of the fleet would intimidate Perseus, and he tried to induce him to surrender by appealing to his hopes and fears. An incident brought about either by accident or design assisted his efforts. A young man of distinction, L. Atilius, noticed that the people of Samothrace were holding an assembly, and he requested the magistrates to allow him to address a few words to the people. Permission being granted, he began: "My friends and hosts of Samothrace, is it true or false what we have heard, that this is a consecrated island and that its soil is everywhere sacred and inviolable?" There was a unanimous response in the affirmative, and he went on: "Why, then, is it polluted and violated by a murderer stained with the blood of King Eumenes? And whilst all approach to your sacred shrines is forbidden to those who do not come with clean hands before commencing any holy rite, will you allow them to be contaminated by the presence of a blood-stained assassin?" It was well known through all the cities of Greece that the murder of Eumenes at Delphi had been attempted and all but effected by Euander. They were aware that the temple and the whole of the island lay at the mercy of the Romans, and they felt, too, that they deserved the reproach. Theondas, their chief magistrate-they give him the title of "king"-was accordingly sent to Perseus to inform him that Euander was accused of murder and that courts were established after the manner of their ancestors to try those who were alleged to have entered the sacred boundaries with unholy hands. If Euander felt sure that he would be proved innocent of any capital crime let him appear to defend himself, but if he did not dare to stand his trial, let him deliver the temple from a curse end take measures for his personal safety. Perseus called Euander aside and advised him on no account to undergo a trial; he was no match for his accusers, either on the merits of the case or in the influence which he possessed. He was haunted by the fear that if Euander were found guilty he would bring him in as the instigator of that infamous crime. What was left for him to do but to die bravely? Euander raised no objection openly, but after saying that he would rather die by poison than by the sword, he made preparations for secret flight. On this coming to the king's ears he was afraid that Euander, by escaping punishment, might bring down the wrath of the Samothracians upon himself under the belief that he had connived at his escape. He therefore gave orders for Euander to be put to death. After the reckless perpetration of this murder he suddenly reflected that he had beyond any doubt brought upon himself the blood-guiltiness which had previously rested on Euander. Eumenes had been wounded by Euander in Delphi, and now he himself had put Euander to death in Samothrace. Thus he alone was responsible for the profanation of the two holiest temples in the world by human blood. He averted this terrible charge by bribing Theondas and inducing him to announce to the people that Euander had taken his own life.

"However, the commission of such a crime against his one remaining friend, who had been tested through so many misfortunes and who had been betrayed because he would not betray his master, alienated all men's sympathies from him. Each thinking only of himself went over to the Romans, and as he was left all but alone he was compelled to form plans for flight. There was a Cretan named Oroandas who was familiar with the coast of Thrace through his trading journeys. Perseus called upon him to take him on board with him to Cotys. There was a bay formed by one of the headlands of Samothrace, named from the adjacent temple of Demeter the Demetrium, and there the boat was lying. Just after sunset everything required for use, and as much of the money as could be carried without detection, was put on board. The king with three who shared his flight went out at midnight through a door at the back of the house into the garden which was close to his room, and after climbing the wall with considerable difficulty succeeded in reaching the shore. Oroandas had only waited till the money was on board, and as soon as it grew dark weighed anchor and put out to sea for Crete. As no ship was to be found in the harbour Perseus wandered about for some time on the shore. At last, dreading the approach of day, he did not dare to return to his quarters but hid himself in a dark corner on one side of the temple. The children of the Macedonian nobility who were chosen to wait on the king used to be known as "the royal pages." These boys had followed the king in his flight, and even now refused to desert him until a proclamation was published by order of Cnaeus Octavius, stating that the royal pages and any other Macedonians who were in Samothrace would, if they went to the Romans, preserve their personal safety and liberty, and all their property, both what they had with them and what they had left in Macedonia. After this pronouncement all went over and reported themselves to C. Postumius, one of the military tribunes. Ion, the Thessalian, also gave up the king's little children to Octavius, and now no one was left with the king except his eldest son Philip. Then Perseus, inveighing against Fortune and the gods in whose temple he was for refusing all aid to their suppliants, surrendered himself and his son into the hands of Octavius. Orders were given for him to be put on board the commander's ship, together with what remained of the money. The fleet at once sailed back to Amphipolis. From there Octavius sent the king to the consul's camp, having previously advised him that the king was being brought to his camp as a prisoner." ~ Titus Livius 45.5-6


Today's thought is from the Golden Sayings of Pythagoras 27:

"Consult and deliberate before thou act, that thou mayest not commit foolish actions."

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 4:58 AM, gualterus_graecus wrote:

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> Thanks for reposting this; I just visited!
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> -GG
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Ditto - Venii

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Salve Pauline,
well, now I've been to the site. I've read "lex romanum", then stopped
reading further and closed the tab.

Optie vale,
Livia

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> Salvete
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> Her is the link to my blog " from the pages of the Eagle.
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> http://novaromaeagle.blogspot.com/
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> I created this in January with article that had been published in the
> Official Nova Roman Newsletter the Eagle.
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> I announced it on the main list and to this day , SIX months later I am
> not sure that any Nova Romans have every been to the site.
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> Valete
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> Ti. Galerius Paulinus
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