During my offerings to Vesta and Juno today, I will surely keep her in my
thoughts! Thank you so much for this post Galerius Paulinus, my heart has
been in a similar place for days.




"Have you ever had one of those days when something just seems to be trying
to tell you somebody?"


John Constantine, in SANDMAN #3: "Dream a Little Dream of Me"




On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <
famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:

>
>
> May That Which is Holy smile on her recovery.
>
> Venator
>
>

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M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;

and where are the gods.......

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> I support the corporation, that allows NR to collect the funds! I support
> the corporation that protects all of us from the rule of tyrants and petty
> despots.
>
> And Maior, your nefas self wouldn't know the pax deorum if it sat in front
> of your face.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:44 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
> >
> > I support and uphold the College of Augurs; I uphold the Religio Romana and
> > the Pax Deorum between the gods and Nova Roma;
> > I support K. Fabius Buteo Quintillianus!
> >
> > di nobis favent! may the gods favour us
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> > Flaminica Carmentalis
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Publius
> > Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Collegae s.d.
> > >
> > >
> > > There was no irony in my answer, just a reminder of the legal rules, with
> > no intent hurting you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Every edictum is supposed to have legal effects, not responsa.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Albucius cos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > CC: SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com <SenatusRomanus%40yahoogroups.com>;
> > novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com <novaroma-announce%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > From: christer.edling@
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 21:56:50 +0200
> > > Subject: [NovaRoma-Announce] Cout myveto as ...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve Colleague!
> > >
> > > Well my edictum is an edictum and it will stand! If You want You may
> > > see my edictum as "just an official information to all our Quirites on
> > > how I read our Law and how I intend applying it and having it
> > > respected."
> > >
> > > ******
> > >
> > > 9 jul 2010 kl. 21.47 skrev Publius Memmius Albucius:
> > >
> > > Consuli Fabio Buteoni s.d.
> > >
> > > As I already informed you the last time you vetoed another responsum,
> > > a responsum is just a official information to all our Quirites on how
> > > I read our Law and how I intend applying it and having it respected.
> > >
> > > It is thus not an act in itself subject to the veto.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > P. Memmius Albucius cos.
> > >
> > > *****************
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
> > >
> > > Consul Iterum
> > > Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
> > > Civis Romanus sum
> > > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
> > > ************************************************
> > > Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> > > "I'll either find a way or make one"
> > > ************************************************
> > > Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> > > Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
> > > ************************************************
> > > Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
> > > Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________________
> > > Le nouveau Hotmail est presque arrivé, ne le manquez pas !
> > > http://www.windowslive.fr/nouveau-hotmail/
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Salvete omnes! I want to share with you all my perspective on the heart
of the problem currently facing us. In this I must repectfully disagree with
Consul Quintilianus, unfortunately.

Consul Quintilianus wrote:
Fourthly, Consul P. Memmius Albucius has attempted by his edictum to
usurp unconstitutional authority over the Comitia Curiata. The
Constitution III.A states that the "lictores curiati (lictors of the
curia) (are) appointed to their positions by the Collegium Pontificum.
It shall be called to order by the Pontifex Maximus, and the Collegium
Pontificum shall set the rules by which the
Comitia Curiata shall operate internally." Clearly the Comitia Curiata
is a religious institution under the authority of the Collegium
Pontificum alone.

Valerianus' note: No, not the Collegium Pontificum alone. We recognize as
our highest authority in all things the Constitution, which is partly why in
disobeying the Constitution, Piscinus is creating a constitutional crisis
for the Comitia Curiata. As much as I, as a cultor deorum, believe that the
gods are the highest authority in the universe, here in Nova Roma the
recognized highest authority is the Constitution, not the gods nor anyone
who claims to speak for them. Perhaps the wording of our Constitution will
one day be changed to make the gods and their representative the highest
power in Nova Roma. Until that day, the law must be followed. And most of
the parties involved took an oath before the gods to that effect. Any
attempt to subvert the simple fact that the Consitution is currently our
highest authority is not only treasonous, but impious.

Consul Quintilianus wrote:

Lictores are apparitores, according to the
Constitution IV.A.9, and are specifically named as not being
magistrates. They are obliged to abide by decreta of the Quattor Summa
Collegia, and not any edicta that contravenes decreta of the Collegia.

Valerianus notes: And here is the problem - The Comitia Curiata must obey
the Constitution above any decreta at all, and above even the Pontifex
Maximus. That is the heart of Nova Roma. Trying to make it otherwise is
treason under our Constitution. The Pontifex Maximus has obligations under
our law, and he is refusing to carry them out. Cassius was removed for far,
far less. Regardless, Piscinus could still change his mind and decide to
follow the law, or if his religious conscience will not let him do that, he
could step down as Pontifex Maximus to make way for one who can fulfill his
duties.

Consul Quintilianus wrote: The
Comitia Curiata as a whole cannot inaugurate in vitio creati
magistrates as it would then violate its religious duties of pietas
and thereby undermine its religious authority. Nor may any individual
lictor witness such invalid elections without the Comitia Curiata
being first assembled by the Pontifex Maximus. If individual lictores
were to do so, were to comply with the consul's illegal edictum, they
could be subject to a claim of impietas prudens dolo malo before the
Collegium Pontificum, leading to their expulsion from the Comitia
Curiata. The duty of lictores is primarily and foremost religious in
nature, under religious authorities.

Valerianus notes: I must respectfully disagree with the consul. Under the
Constitution, we cannot do OTHERWISE than invest the elected magistrates
with Imperium. Vitium or no vitium, that is the law as it currently stands.
No number of decreta from any religious body has any authority to override
our Constitution. As I have pointed out, however, we MUST be convened by the
PM to do so. Piscinus' refusal to do so is treason under our Constitution,
and puts the lictors in an intolerable double-bind. We MUST do our duty
under the Constitution, yet we CANNOT without Piscinus, and Piscinus is
obstructing. Piscinus and the CP COULD solve our problem for us by expelling
all dissenters from the Comitia Curiata, but if he does so, he is STILL
committing treason, as are any lictors who are following him. This
double-bind is the heart of the crisis as it stands for me, as a lictor and
a cultor and a loyal citizen. The fact of the religious colleges trying to
usurp the powers of the Constitution and its laws is another related matter,
and one reason there can be no simple fix.

In the end, one thing is clear - our law gives supreme power to the
Constitution, and nothing else. No number of laws, decreta, edicta, or even
jumping up and down and shouting "because I say the gods say so" overrides
our Constitution. Let us all keep that in mind as we go forward . . .

Valete omnes.
"Qua(e) patres difficillime
adepti sunt nolite
turpiter relinquere" -
Monumentum Bradfordis, Tamaropoli, in civitate Massaciuseta
(Bradford Monument, Plymouth, MA)

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C. Maria Caeca L. Juliae Aquilae S. P. D.

Oh, dear! I endorsed you, I voted for you ...and then ...you won, and I forgot to congratulate you, and wish you well!!!!!! Um, does ht help that I did so in heart and mind? So congratulations, bonam fortunam, and it will be a joy to work with you in the Aedilitian Cohors!

Vale quam Optime,
Maria Caeca

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Salvete omnes,

I do not always agree with Maior's methods and have told her so but I know in her heart she has a great love and passion for Nova Roma.

If she is to be moderated, I ask the praetura to put L. Cornelius Sulla on moderation for his highly disrespectful statement about Consul Quintilianus, one of the two most importnat Magistrates:

Personal insult: "Why, he is doing a good job imitating Monty Python. Caeso Fabius our monty python consul! Has a good ring to it." Message #77722

Vale bene,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Why, he is doing a good job imitating Monty Python. Caeso Fabius our monty
> python consul! Has a good ring to it.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato Quintiliano omnibusque in foro SPD
> >
> > Dear sweet gods in heaven.
> >
> > Consul Quintilianus, you really need to read our law.
> >
> > You can't veto a response.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby
witness the appointment of Lucia Iulia Aquila as aedilis curulis
suffecta of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good luck in her office
and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Ego, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, lictor curiata Novae Romae
testificor L. Iuliam Aquilam aedilem curulem suffectam Novae Romae
creari. Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum ei opto ut pro religione Romana
felicissime officio munereque suo fungatur.

*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul Iterum
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae

Salvete Omnes;

Please, could someone with access forward this to the appropriate
list(s) to which I do not subscribe?

------------------------

I, Steven Patrick Stewart Robinson, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby
witness the appointment of Lucia Iulia Aquila as aedilis curulis
suffecta of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her
office and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

in addition...

Ego, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator, lictor curiata Novae Romae
testificor L. Iuliam Aquilam aedilem curulem suffectam Novae Romae
creari.

Lictor/Lictrix Comitiorum Curiatorum ei opto ut pro religione Romana
felicissime officio munereque suo fungatur.

Quod bonum faustum felixque sit populo Novo Romano Quiritium

=====================================
In amicitia et fide
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Lictor, Patrician, Paterfamilias
Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

(sites subject to occassional updates)
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

Salve amica,

Thank you so much for your vote, for your support and for your friendship - and your congrats:)
I think Placidus is planning to take a long vacation and hide!*laughs*
Onward and upwards!

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> C. Maria Caeca L. Juliae Aquilae S. P. D.
>
> Oh, dear! I endorsed you, I voted for you ...and then ...you won, and I forgot to congratulate you, and wish you well!!!!!! Um, does ht help that I did so in heart and mind? So congratulations, bonam fortunam, and it will be a joy to work with you in the Aedilitian Cohors!
>
> Vale quam Optime,
> Maria Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I, Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness
the appointment of Lucia Iulia Aquila as aedilis curulis suffecta of Nova
Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her office and
in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Ego, Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus, lictor curiata Novae Romae testificor
L. Iuliam Aquilam aedilem curulem suffectam Novae Romae creari.
Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum ei opto ut pro religione Romana
felicissime officio munereque suo fungatur.

--

Valete;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus


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In a message dated 7/9/2010 2:29:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
luciaiuliaaquila@... writes:

Personal insult: "Why, he is doing a good job imitating Monty Python.
Caeso Fabius our monty python consul! Has a good ring to it."




The two don't even come close. You had a Consul calling an intercessio
against the other consul's response. Nova Romans cannot do that. It made
the issuing Consul look like he had no idea what he was doing. Cornelius'
reply was in the spirit of lampooning a magistrate, a great sport among Nova
Roman citizens.

Maior on the other hand called our Founder Marcus Cassius a "useless sack
(the rest implied.)"
And that is just mean spirited.

- Q Fabius Maximus



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Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Publio Memmio Albucio salutem dicit

A "responsa" has no legal standing in Nova Roma -- if it is not an edict.
In your responsa you make statements that seem to compel obedience. This
counter statement by your colleague negates any compulsion your "responsa"
insinuates.

Vale;

Modianus

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Publius Memmius Albucius <
albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

>
> Consuli Fabio Buteoni s.d.
>
>
>
> As I already informed you the last time you vetoed another responsum, a
> responsum is just a official information to all our Quirites on how I read
> our Law and how I intend applying it and having it respected.
>
>
>
> It is thus not an act in itself subject to the veto.
>
>
>
> Vale,
>
>
>
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius cos.

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Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Quinto Fabio Maximo salutem dicit

You're a pontifex, how many applications for augur do we get? How important
is being an augur in Nova Roma that it shouldn't be a priesthood that is
handed out to any who apply? Also, I have never seen you attempt to do
anything about the composition of the Collegium Augurum! The Collegium
Augurum should adlect its own members but is instead unhistorically
subjugated to the Collegium Pontificum. So as a pontifex you can do
something about that. Either be a part of the solution or stop complaining.

Vale;

Modianus

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:23 PM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/8/2010 8:21:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> marcus.lucretius@... <marcus.lucretius%40yahoo.com> writes:
>
> This now brings us to the current situation. Simply put, Albucius chose to
> ignore our procedures and to use his own methods. Many efforts were made
> to discuss this with him and to convince him to use an acceptable
> procedure.
> He refused even to discuss this with us.
>
> There is no question that his actions in attempting to set up an incorrect
> auguraculum constitutes a vitium and is a clear infringement on an area
> that was always and without question reserved to the public augures only.
> This is a separate issue from magistrates having a right to take auspices.
> That is not the issue. The Collegium Augurum has decided to grant to
> magistrates permission, on a revocable basis, and subject to instruction,
> to
> establish auguracula. The establishment of auguracula was never within the
> province of magisterial imperium in the past. It is most certainly within
> the
> field of augury that our constitution gives over utterly and without
> exception
> to the College of Augurs.
>
> Except, it doesn't. The Constitution allows the augurs to control the
> internal workings of their college. It does not permit you to rule Nova
> Roma,
> calling the shots because a Consul did not follow
> YOUR guidelines. Both Vedius and Cassius would never allow such a thing.
> NR INC operations is based on the Presidents' decisions and advice from
> the BoD. You don't even come into the equation.
>
> If anything following your recommendations is a courtesy out of respect for
>
> our spiritual ancestors.
> Courtesy only goes so far in a Corporation. Can you imagine if IBM INC.
> workings of their BoD was controlled by a soothsayer? And it gummed up the
> works?
>
> Right now the CA has three members. You got rid of a fourth member
> because he didn't agree with you. You did so by a kangaroo court, composed
> of
> the most incredible make up of a jury by lot I have ever seen. Cincinnatius
>
> sure was unlucky!
>
> You want credibility here in NR? Open up and fill the number of slots
> permitted in the CA. Get Augurs in all the areas, and let them instruct
> those
> magistrates in the same area how to take auspica. Right now although
> you'd never believe it, you look like bunch of elitest jerks penalizing NR,
>
> because you weren't listened too. If that doesn't give the impression of
> narcissism in an organization were the People have the final say, I don't
> know
> what does.
>
> If the Gods are upset, then a public apology to them should be arranged,
> and that's the CPs job, but NR INC. does not stop working on your say so.
> That's delusional.
>
> - Q Fabius Maximus
>


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Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit

Marca Hortensia Maior is no longer nefas, the Collegium Pontificum removed
that status some years ago. Your last statement was over the top and is no
different than the response that Maior sent that ended in her moderation.
Practice what you advocate for!

Vale;

Modianus

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...>wrote:

> I support the corporation, that allows NR to collect the funds! I support
> the corporation that protects all of us from the rule of tyrants and petty
> despots.
>
> And Maior, your nefas self wouldn't know the pax deorum if it sat in front
> of your face.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla

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Really? I advocated for civil war? I advocated throwing out the
monotheists? Seriously? Seriously?

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:48 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit
>
> Marca Hortensia Maior is no longer nefas, the Collegium Pontificum removed
> that status some years ago. Your last statement was over the top and is no
> different than the response that Maior sent that ended in her moderation.
> Practice what you advocate for!
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Robert Woolwine
> <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
>
>
> > I support the corporation, that allows NR to collect the funds! I support
> > the corporation that protects all of us from the rule of tyrants and
> petty
> > despots.
> >
> > And Maior, your nefas self wouldn't know the pax deorum if it sat in
> front
> > of your face.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Quinto Fabio Maximo salutem dicit

Oh please! Practice what you advocate for! Civil behavior is civil
behavior, don't spin it any other way!

Vale;

Modianus

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:39 PM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/9/2010 2:29:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> luciaiuliaaquila@... <luciaiuliaaquila%40hotmail.com> writes:
>
> Personal insult: "Why, he is doing a good job imitating Monty Python.
> Caeso Fabius our monty python consul! Has a good ring to it."
>
> The two don't even come close. You had a Consul calling an intercessio
> against the other consul's response. Nova Romans cannot do that. It made
> the issuing Consul look like he had no idea what he was doing. Cornelius'
> reply was in the spirit of lampooning a magistrate, a great sport among
> Nova
> Roman citizens.
>
> Maior on the other hand called our Founder Marcus Cassius a "useless sack
> (the rest implied.)"
> And that is just mean spirited.
>
> - Q Fabius Maximus
>


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This post is a bit of a late reaction tot he words of one M. Hortensia
Maior:

"Nova Roma will turn into an atheist-monotheism under them!!!"
"Cultores it is US. vs them Nova Roma for the gods and Rome! Atheists
OUT!!!!!"

It is my opinion that this is hate speech. I know the author has been
moderated, which is to serve as the consequence for these statements, but it
still hurts me and I feel I am entitled to respond.
There were monotheists and even a few atheists in ancient Rome, but that
is irrelevant. Our organization, which I hold very dear to my heart, is open
to all who love and respect Rome, to all who seek education and conversation
with others who share this common interest.
I know that here in my home country, the United States, we're still
fighting for the basic civil rights of some of our citizens, but it is a
common American value that all men are created equal. I bring a lot of my
American upbringing into everything I do, I can't help it, it's part of me.
Our own constitution guarantee "Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of
ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation." That
sounds beautiful to me, that's exactly what I want to see in any
organization I belong to. I read the constitution before I applied for
citizenship, and I find myself reviewing it from time to time as well.
Another important bit of the constitution,"Magistrates, Senators, and
citizens need not be practitioners of the *Religio Romana*, but may not
engage in any activity that intentionally blasphemes or defames the Gods,
the *Religio Romana*, or its practitioners."
I am not threatened by anyone who holds a difference of opinion from me.
Nor am i afraid of what will happen to Nova Roma if "Atheists" and
"Monotheists" continue to be valuable and influential members of this
organization. I am not so small minded as to think the Gods would want me to
shun good men and women because they followed a different path.
No, i am not afraid, what I am is angry and ashamed. I;m angry that this
hate speech, which is not uncommon from it's author, is being met with a
mere moderation. I'm ashamed that my fellow Nova Roman sister could say
these hateful things under the watchful eyes of our Gods.
My request is simple. Can we all please strive to maintain a little
dignitas when speaking to or of each other. Nova Roma is not a private club
for cultores, nor should it EVER be. The day we deny people citizenship
based on their religious beliefs is the day we have all failed the Gods
entirely.
I'm so angry. Look at this through my eyes, this is the same to me as the
day my father was arrested falsely because he matched the oh so popular
description "large Hispanic man" , or the day my Grandparents told me I
would be disinherited if I married my then boyfriend who happened to be of
West African heritage. There is no "Cultores only" sign at the front door of
my home, nor is there one on our home page.
I ask that we hold each other accountable for such hate speech at all
times. Respect each other. Our fellow citizens are here for a reason. No one
goes through the citizenship process to launch a secret ploy to obliterate
the religio, Such a fear is unfounded, and I have to ask myself why anyone
would ever say the afore quoted statements. What causes a person to be so
afraid of the Gods that you fear the mere presence of non cultores?



"Have you ever had one of those days when something just seems to be trying
to tell you somebody?"


John Constantine, in SANDMAN #3: "Dream a Little Dream of Me"


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Wow nobody expects the Spanish inquisition. And, you are playing the role
of Torquemada, how appropriate. The Monty python sketches are just pouring
out today!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2010, at 2:17 PM, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:



M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;

and where are the gods.......

--- In <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert
Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> I support the corporation, that allows NR to collect the funds! I support
> the corporation that protects all of us from the rule of tyrants and petty
> despots.
>
> And Maior, your nefas self wouldn't know the pax deorum if it sat in front
> of your face.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:44 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
> >
> > I support and uphold the College of Augurs; I uphold the Religio Romana
and
> > the Pax Deorum between the gods and Nova Roma;
> > I support K. Fabius Buteo Quintillianus!
> >
> > di nobis favent! may the gods favour us
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> > Flaminica Carmentalis
> >
> >
> > --- In <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<Nova-Roma%
40yahoogroups.com>, Publius
> > Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Collegae s.d.
> > >
> > >
> > > There was no irony in my answer, just a reminder of the legal rules,
with
> > no intent hurting you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Every edictum is supposed to have legal effects, not responsa.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Albucius cos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > CC: <SenatusRomanus%40yahoogroups.com>SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com<SenatusRomanus%
40yahoogroups.com>;
> > <novaroma-announce%40yahoogroups.com>novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com<novaroma-announce%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > > To: <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > > From: christer.edling@
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 21:56:50 +0200
> > > Subject: [NovaRoma-Announce] Cout myveto as ...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve Colleague!
> > >
> > > Well my edictum is an edictum and it will stand! If You want You may
> > > see my edictum as "just an official information to all our Quirites on
> > > how I read our Law and how I intend applying it and having it
> > > respected."
> > >
> > > ******
> > >
> > > 9 jul 2010 kl. 21.47 skrev Publius Memmius Albucius:
> > >
> > > Consuli Fabio Buteoni s.d.
> > >
> > > As I already informed you the last time you vetoed another responsum,
> > > a responsum is just a official information to all our Quirites on how
> > > I read our Law and how I intend applying it and having it respected.
> > >
> > > It is thus not an act in itself subject to the veto.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > P. Memmius Albucius cos.
> > >
> > > *****************
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
> > >
> > > Consul Iterum
> > > Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
> > > Civis Romanus sum
> > > <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page>
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
> > > ************************************************
> > > Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> > > "I'll either find a way or make one"
> > > ************************************************
> > > Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> > > Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
> > > ************************************************
> > > Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
> > > Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________________
> > > Le nouveau Hotmail est presque arriv�, ne le manquez pas !
> > > <http://www.windowslive.fr/nouveau-hotmail/>
http://www.windowslive.fr/nouveau-hotmail/
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>




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Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit

You know exactly what I am referring to, or you should since I assume you're
an intelligent man. Please, don't act like you are an innocent. You dish
out a lot of venom, and you know it!

Vale;

Modianus

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...>wrote:

> Really? I advocated for civil war? I advocated throwing out the
> monotheists? Seriously? Seriously?
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:48 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit
> >
> > Marca Hortensia Maior is no longer nefas, the Collegium Pontificum
> removed
> > that status some years ago. Your last statement was over the top and is
> no
> > different than the response that Maior sent that ended in her moderation.
> > Practice what you advocate for!
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Modianus
>

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Really, are you seriously having all of NR see that you cannot tell the
difference between incitement to violence vs satire and lampooning?
Seriously?

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:56 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Quinto Fabio Maximo salutem dicit
>
> Oh please! Practice what you advocate for! Civil behavior is civil
> behavior, don't spin it any other way!
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:39 PM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...<QFabiusMaxmi%40aol.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/9/2010 2:29:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > luciaiuliaaquila@... <luciaiuliaaquila%40hotmail.com><luciaiuliaaquila%
> 40hotmail.com> writes:
> >
> > Personal insult: "Why, he is doing a good job imitating Monty Python.
> > Caeso Fabius our monty python consul! Has a good ring to it."
> >
> > The two don't even come close. You had a Consul calling an intercessio
> > against the other consul's response. Nova Romans cannot do that. It made
> > the issuing Consul look like he had no idea what he was doing. Cornelius'
> > reply was in the spirit of lampooning a magistrate, a great sport among
> > Nova
> > Roman citizens.
> >
> > Maior on the other hand called our Founder Marcus Cassius a "useless sack
> > (the rest implied.)"
> > And that is just mean spirited.
> >
> > - Q Fabius Maximus
> >
>
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>
>
>


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Valerianus Sullae S.P.D.

Sulla, amice, we know that you did not do these things, and we know that
Maior did. Point taken. But bringing up the label "nefas" is needlessly
antagonistic, and Modianus is right about that. She has been cleared of
that. Of course, I'm sure she should be declared nefas *again *for her
actions and words since then, but that is between her, the gods, and the
religious authorities.

Vale

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...>wrote:

> Really? I advocated for civil war? I advocated throwing out the
> monotheists? Seriously? Seriously?
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:48 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit
> >
> > Marca Hortensia Maior is no longer nefas, the Collegium Pontificum
> removed
> > that status some years ago. Your last statement was over the top and is
> no
> > different than the response that Maior sent that ended in her moderation.
> > Practice what you advocate for!
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Robert Woolwine
> > <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I support the corporation, that allows NR to collect the funds! I
> support
> > > the corporation that protects all of us from the rule of tyrants and
> > petty
> > > despots.
> > >
> > > And Maior, your nefas self wouldn't know the pax deorum if it sat in
> > front
> > > of your face.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--
"Qua(e) patres difficillime
adepti sunt nolite
turpiter relinquere" -
Monumentum Bradfordis, Tamaropoli, in civitate Massaciuseta
(Bradford Monument, Plymouth, MA)

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Venom is protected free speech, satire is protected free speech. incitement
to violence and call for civil war...is one of those three areas I discussed
that cross the line.

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:58 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit
>
> You know exactly what I am referring to, or you should since I assume
> you're
> an intelligent man. Please, don't act like you are an innocent. You dish
> out a lot of venom, and you know it!
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Robert Woolwine
>
> <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
>
> > Really? I advocated for civil war? I advocated throwing out the
> > monotheists? Seriously? Seriously?
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:48 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit
> > >
> > > Marca Hortensia Maior is no longer nefas, the Collegium Pontificum
> > removed
> > > that status some years ago. Your last statement was over the top and is
> > no
> > > different than the response that Maior sent that ended in her
> moderation.
> > > Practice what you advocate for!
> > >
> > > Vale;
> > >
> > > Modianus
> >
>
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>
>
>


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Yes, that is accurate. Point taken and received.I won't mention it from this point forward.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Colin Brodd <magisterbrodd@...> wrote:

> Valerianus Sullae S.P.D.
>
> Sulla, amice, we know that you did not do these things, and we know that
> Maior did. Point taken. But bringing up the label "nefas" is needlessly
> antagonistic, and Modianus is right about that. She has been cleared of
> that. Of course, I'm sure she should be declared nefas *again *for her
> actions and words since then, but that is between her, the gods, and the
> religious authorities.
>
> Vale
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Robert Woolwine
> <robert.woolwine@...>wrote:
>
> > Really? I advocated for civil war? I advocated throwing out the
> > monotheists? Seriously? Seriously?
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:48 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit
> > >
> > > Marca Hortensia Maior is no longer nefas, the Collegium Pontificum
> > removed
> > > that status some years ago. Your last statement was over the top and is
> > no
> > > different than the response that Maior sent that ended in her moderation.
> > > Practice what you advocate for!
> > >
> > > Vale;
> > >
> > > Modianus
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Robert Woolwine
> > > <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I support the corporation, that allows NR to collect the funds! I
> > support
> > > > the corporation that protects all of us from the rule of tyrants and
> > > petty
> > > > despots.
> > > >
> > > > And Maior, your nefas self wouldn't know the pax deorum if it sat in
> > > front
> > > > of your face.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> "Qua(e) patres difficillime
> adepti sunt nolite
> turpiter relinquere" -
> Monumentum Bradfordis, Tamaropoli, in civitate Massaciuseta
> (Bradford Monument, Plymouth, MA)
>
> Check out my books on Goodreads: <a href="
> http://www.goodreads.com/profile/Valerianus?utm_source=email_widget">
> http://www.goodreads.com/profile/Valerianus</a>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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I, Quintus Servilius Priscus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness the
appointment of Lucia Iulia Aquila as aedilis curulis suffecta of
Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her
office and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Ego, Quintus Servilius Priscus, lictor curiata Novae Romae testificor L.
Iuliam Aquilam aedilem curulem suffectam Novae Romae creari. Lictor
Comitiorum Curiatorum ei opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime
officio munereque suo fungatur.

Valete,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

--
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G!

"I, (Charles Collins, Quintus Servilius Priscus) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, (Quintus Servilius Priscus) swear to
honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, (Charles Collins, Quintus Servilius Priscus) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State
Religion.

I, (Quintus Servilius Priscus) swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, (Charles Collins, Quintus Servilius Priscus) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor
to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto."

Quintus Servilius Priscus

C. Maria Caeca Ti Galerio Paulino S. P. D.

read, and will, naturally, do.

Respectfully,
C. Maria Caeca, Sacerdos Vestae

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Ave!

I read Maior's words - her incitement to violence and I wonder why are her
supporters and friends still supporting Maior?

I think we need to look at Maior's words by framing it in another time
period. Let's say the Civil Rights Era in the 1950s and 1960s in the United
States.

Who does Maior sound like? I can tell you who I think Bull Connor. (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_Connor)

Let's give you a similar quote by someone who had the same views of Bull
Connor":

I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side ... Rather I
should die a thousand times, and see Old
Glory<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Glory>trampled in the dirt
never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of
ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen
from the wilds. �
� Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944,
So, my question is are her friends and allies going to dissociate themselves
from Maior or live forever with the Taint of association with someone who in
another time period would be in lockstep with the well.....I think its
pretty clear.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Danyell Elaina Hildur Brodd <
angelshavethephonebox@...> wrote:

>
>
> This post is a bit of a late reaction tot he words of one M. Hortensia
> Maior:
>
> "Nova Roma will turn into an atheist-monotheism under them!!!"
> "Cultores it is US. vs them Nova Roma for the gods and Rome! Atheists
> OUT!!!!!"
>
> It is my opinion that this is hate speech. I know the author has been
> moderated, which is to serve as the consequence for these statements, but
> it
> still hurts me and I feel I am entitled to respond.
> There were monotheists and even a few atheists in ancient Rome, but that
> is irrelevant. Our organization, which I hold very dear to my heart, is
> open
> to all who love and respect Rome, to all who seek education and
> conversation
> with others who share this common interest.
> I know that here in my home country, the United States, we're still
> fighting for the basic civil rights of some of our citizens, but it is a
> common American value that all men are created equal. I bring a lot of my
> American upbringing into everything I do, I can't help it, it's part of me.
> Our own constitution guarantee "Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of
> ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation."
> That
> sounds beautiful to me, that's exactly what I want to see in any
> organization I belong to. I read the constitution before I applied for
> citizenship, and I find myself reviewing it from time to time as well.
> Another important bit of the constitution,"Magistrates, Senators, and
> citizens need not be practitioners of the *Religio Romana*, but may not
> engage in any activity that intentionally blasphemes or defames the Gods,
> the *Religio Romana*, or its practitioners."
> I am not threatened by anyone who holds a difference of opinion from me.
> Nor am i afraid of what will happen to Nova Roma if "Atheists" and
> "Monotheists" continue to be valuable and influential members of this
> organization. I am not so small minded as to think the Gods would want me
> to
> shun good men and women because they followed a different path.
> No, i am not afraid, what I am is angry and ashamed. I;m angry that this
> hate speech, which is not uncommon from it's author, is being met with a
> mere moderation. I'm ashamed that my fellow Nova Roman sister could say
> these hateful things under the watchful eyes of our Gods.
> My request is simple. Can we all please strive to maintain a little
> dignitas when speaking to or of each other. Nova Roma is not a private club
> for cultores, nor should it EVER be. The day we deny people citizenship
> based on their religious beliefs is the day we have all failed the Gods
> entirely.
> I'm so angry. Look at this through my eyes, this is the same to me as the
> day my father was arrested falsely because he matched the oh so popular
> description "large Hispanic man" , or the day my Grandparents told me I
> would be disinherited if I married my then boyfriend who happened to be of
> West African heritage. There is no "Cultores only" sign at the front door
> of
> my home, nor is there one on our home page.
> I ask that we hold each other accountable for such hate speech at all
> times. Respect each other. Our fellow citizens are here for a reason. No
> one
> goes through the citizenship process to launch a secret ploy to obliterate
> the religio, Such a fear is unfounded, and I have to ask myself why anyone
> would ever say the afore quoted statements. What causes a person to be so
> afraid of the Gods that you fear the mere presence of non cultores?
>
> "Have you ever had one of those days when something just seems to be trying
> to tell you somebody?"
>
> John Constantine, in SANDMAN #3: "Dream a Little Dream of Me"
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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I, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness
the
appointment of Lucia Iulia Aquila as aedilis curulis suffecta of
Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her
office and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana

Vale,

Sulla

2010/7/9 Charlie <byzandroid@...>

>
>
> I, Quintus Servilius Priscus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness the
> appointment of Lucia Iulia Aquila as aedilis curulis suffecta of
> Nova Roma.
>
> As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her
> office and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.
>
> Ego, Quintus Servilius Priscus, lictor curiata Novae Romae testificor L.
> Iuliam Aquilam aedilem curulem suffectam Novae Romae creari. Lictor
> Comitiorum Curiatorum ei opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime
> officio munereque suo fungatur.
>
> Valete,
> Quintus Servilius Priscus
>
> --
> Sent from my HTC EVO 4G!
>
>

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Aeternia M. Hortensiae s.p.d.


Okay this thing of you calling everyone an atheist who is a Non-Cultor I am
requesting you stop this now, it's rather insulting. I'm not saying you're
not devoted to Rome and all her wonderful aspecs, but this is becoming
absolutely non-productive.

Vale,
Aeternia

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> M.Hortensia quiritibus spd;
>
> Nova Roma is dedicated to the restoration of the gods;
>
> those that refuse to respect respect the signs of the gods: augury should
> go. In Ancient Roman eyes they are atheists.
>
> Nova Roma is nothing without the gods and the Pax Deorum.
>
> I support and love Romanitas and the Religio Romana.
> M. Hortensia Maior
> Flaminica Carmentalis
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Danyell
> Elaina Hildur Brodd <angelshavethephonebox@...> wrote:
> >
> > This post is a bit of a late reaction tot he words of one M. Hortensia
> > Maior:
> >
> > "Nova Roma will turn into an atheist-monotheism under them!!!"
> > "Cultores it is US. vs them Nova Roma for the gods and Rome! Atheists
> > OUT!!!!!"
> >
> > It is my opinion that this is hate speech. I know the author has been
> > moderated, which is to serve as the consequence for these statements, but
> it
> > still hurts me and I feel I am entitled to respond.
> > There were monotheists and even a few atheists in ancient Rome, but that
> > is irrelevant. Our organization, which I hold very dear to my heart, is
> open
> > to all who love and respect Rome, to all who seek education and
> conversation
> > with others who share this common interest.
> > I know that here in my home country, the United States, we're still
> > fighting for the basic civil rights of some of our citizens, but it is a
> > common American value that all men are created equal. I bring a lot of my
> > American upbringing into everything I do, I can't help it, it's part of
> me.
> > Our own constitution guarantee "Citizenship is open to anyone regardless
> of
> > ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation."
> That
> > sounds beautiful to me, that's exactly what I want to see in any
> > organization I belong to. I read the constitution before I applied for
> > citizenship, and I find myself reviewing it from time to time as well.
> > Another important bit of the constitution,"Magistrates, Senators, and
> > citizens need not be practitioners of the *Religio Romana*, but may not
> > engage in any activity that intentionally blasphemes or defames the Gods,
> > the *Religio Romana*, or its practitioners."
> > I am not threatened by anyone who holds a difference of opinion from me.
> > Nor am i afraid of what will happen to Nova Roma if "Atheists" and
> > "Monotheists" continue to be valuable and influential members of this
> > organization. I am not so small minded as to think the Gods would want me
> to
> > shun good men and women because they followed a different path.
> > No, i am not afraid, what I am is angry and ashamed. I;m angry that this
> > hate speech, which is not uncommon from it's author, is being met with a
> > mere moderation. I'm ashamed that my fellow Nova Roman sister could say
> > these hateful things under the watchful eyes of our Gods.
> > My request is simple. Can we all please strive to maintain a little
> > dignitas when speaking to or of each other. Nova Roma is not a private
> club
> > for cultores, nor should it EVER be. The day we deny people citizenship
> > based on their religious beliefs is the day we have all failed the Gods
> > entirely.
> > I'm so angry. Look at this through my eyes, this is the same to me as the
> > day my father was arrested falsely because he matched the oh so popular
> > description "large Hispanic man" , or the day my Grandparents told me I
> > would be disinherited if I married my then boyfriend who happened to be
> of
> > West African heritage. There is no "Cultores only" sign at the front door
> of
> > my home, nor is there one on our home page.
> > I ask that we hold each other accountable for such hate speech at all
> > times. Respect each other. Our fellow citizens are here for a reason. No
> one
> > goes through the citizenship process to launch a secret ploy to
> obliterate
> > the religio, Such a fear is unfounded, and I have to ask myself why
> anyone
> > would ever say the afore quoted statements. What causes a person to be so
> > afraid of the Gods that you fear the mere presence of non cultores?
> >
> >
> >
> > "Have you ever had one of those days when something just seems to be
> trying
> > to tell you somebody?"
> >
> >
> > John Constantine, in SANDMAN #3: "Dream a Little Dream of Me"
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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"Nova Roma <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Nova_Roma> is an international
organization <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Nova_Roma%2C_Incorporated> dedicated
to the study and restoration of ancient Roman culture." We are dedicated
to the study and restoration of Roman culture. Not the defamation and
destruction of other faiths. This organization is does not exist solely for
the restoration of the Cultus deorum and the worship of our Gods. We are
more than just that. Those who are here in peace to study and share in other
aspects of Roman culture are protected by our laws and constitution from
being excluded based on their faith, or from personal attacks from other
Romans.




"Have you ever had one of those days when something just seems to be trying
to tell you somebody?"


John Constantine, in SANDMAN #3: "Dream a Little Dream of Me"

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:

> Aeternia M. Hortensiae s.p.d.
>
>
> Okay this thing of you calling everyone an atheist who is a Non-Cultor I am
> requesting you stop this now, it's rather insulting. I'm not saying you're
> not devoted to Rome and all her wonderful aspecs, but this is becoming
> absolutely non-productive.
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > M.Hortensia quiritibus spd;
> >
> > Nova Roma is dedicated to the restoration of the gods;
> >
> > those that refuse to respect respect the signs of the gods: augury should
> > go. In Ancient Roman eyes they are atheists.
> >
> > Nova Roma is nothing without the gods and the Pax Deorum.
> >
> > I support and love Romanitas and the Religio Romana.
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> > Flaminica Carmentalis
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Danyell
> > Elaina Hildur Brodd <angelshavethephonebox@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > This post is a bit of a late reaction tot he words of one M. Hortensia
> > > Maior:
> > >
> > > "Nova Roma will turn into an atheist-monotheism under them!!!"
> > > "Cultores it is US. vs them Nova Roma for the gods and Rome! Atheists
> > > OUT!!!!!"
> > >
> > > It is my opinion that this is hate speech. I know the author has been
> > > moderated, which is to serve as the consequence for these statements,
> but
> > it
> > > still hurts me and I feel I am entitled to respond.
> > > There were monotheists and even a few atheists in ancient Rome, but
> that
> > > is irrelevant. Our organization, which I hold very dear to my heart, is
> > open
> > > to all who love and respect Rome, to all who seek education and
> > conversation
> > > with others who share this common interest.
> > > I know that here in my home country, the United States, we're still
> > > fighting for the basic civil rights of some of our citizens, but it is
> a
> > > common American value that all men are created equal. I bring a lot of
> my
> > > American upbringing into everything I do, I can't help it, it's part of
> > me.
> > > Our own constitution guarantee "Citizenship is open to anyone
> regardless
> > of
> > > ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation."
> > That
> > > sounds beautiful to me, that's exactly what I want to see in any
> > > organization I belong to. I read the constitution before I applied for
> > > citizenship, and I find myself reviewing it from time to time as well.
> > > Another important bit of the constitution,"Magistrates, Senators, and
> > > citizens need not be practitioners of the *Religio Romana*, but may not
> > > engage in any activity that intentionally blasphemes or defames the
> Gods,
> > > the *Religio Romana*, or its practitioners."
> > > I am not threatened by anyone who holds a difference of opinion from
> me.
> > > Nor am i afraid of what will happen to Nova Roma if "Atheists" and
> > > "Monotheists" continue to be valuable and influential members of this
> > > organization. I am not so small minded as to think the Gods would want
> me
> > to
> > > shun good men and women because they followed a different path.
> > > No, i am not afraid, what I am is angry and ashamed. I;m angry that
> this
> > > hate speech, which is not uncommon from it's author, is being met with
> a
> > > mere moderation. I'm ashamed that my fellow Nova Roman sister could say
> > > these hateful things under the watchful eyes of our Gods.
> > > My request is simple. Can we all please strive to maintain a little
> > > dignitas when speaking to or of each other. Nova Roma is not a private
> > club
> > > for cultores, nor should it EVER be. The day we deny people citizenship
> > > based on their religious beliefs is the day we have all failed the Gods
> > > entirely.
> > > I'm so angry. Look at this through my eyes, this is the same to me as
> the
> > > day my father was arrested falsely because he matched the oh so popular
> > > description "large Hispanic man" , or the day my Grandparents told me I
> > > would be disinherited if I married my then boyfriend who happened to be
> > of
> > > West African heritage. There is no "Cultores only" sign at the front
> door
> > of
> > > my home, nor is there one on our home page.
> > > I ask that we hold each other accountable for such hate speech at all
> > > times. Respect each other. Our fellow citizens are here for a reason.
> No
> > one
> > > goes through the citizenship process to launch a secret ploy to
> > obliterate
> > > the religio, Such a fear is unfounded, and I have to ask myself why
> > anyone
> > > would ever say the afore quoted statements. What causes a person to be
> so
> > > afraid of the Gods that you fear the mere presence of non cultores?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Have you ever had one of those days when something just seems to be
> > trying
> > > to tell you somebody?"
> > >
> > >
> > > John Constantine, in SANDMAN #3: "Dream a Little Dream of Me"
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Salvete omnes,

I fully agree with L. Iulia Aquila's petition. Why just moderate M. Hortensia
Maior? L. Cornelius Sulla has been deserving moderation for a long time...

Valete.
 
M•IVL•SEVERVS

SENATOR
PRO•CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICI




________________________________
From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 4:29:19 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Edictum Consulare CFBQ XXII on veto of the responsa
(edictum?) of Consul PMA on the 7th of July.

 
Salvete omnes,

I do not always agree with Maior's methods and have told her so but I know in
her heart she has a great love and passion for Nova Roma.

If she is to be moderated, I ask the praetura to put L. Cornelius Sulla on
moderation for his highly disrespectful statement about Consul Quintilianus, one
of the two most importnat Magistrates:

Personal insult: "Why, he is doing a good job imitating Monty Python. Caeso
Fabius our monty python consul! Has a good ring to it." Message #77722

Vale bene,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Why, he is doing a good job imitating Monty Python. Caeso Fabius our monty
> python consul! Has a good ring to it.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato Quintiliano omnibusque in foro SPD
> >
> > Dear sweet gods in heaven.
> >
> > Consul Quintilianus, you really need to read our law.
> >
> > You can't veto a response.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







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Salve;

If I may?

Satire of Those In Charge is a great tradition in western culture,
meanness is not; so the cited example is not, in my view, a good
example of an "offense" worthy of moderation.

Sulla was poking fun by invoking an icon of modern western humor...

As to the other party mentioned, nothing further, as I will no longer
write negative opinions about negative people.

Vale - Venator

Iulia Cornelio Fabio sal,

> I read Maior's words - her incitement to violence and I wonder why are her
> supporters and friends still supporting Maior?

I am not contesting the moderator's judgment regarding Maior's words.
You just want to make it look like that. This is what you do, but your attempt to spin things to your advantage often goes against you.
If I was a moderator I would not have waited two days to moderate a citizen. I would issue a warning to the citizen and had the citizen not adhered then I would have applied moderation.

> I think we need to look at Maior's words by framing it in another time
> period

You might take a long hard look in the mirror Sulla. In my mind I see you disrupting the ML on a regular basis.
You don¡¦t seem to possess the filter that most people develop to discern when to be serious and when to ... attempt¡K to be humorous.
It is not like you do not realize we are in a serious situation.
You do take the respublica seriously don¡¦t you?

> So, my question is are her friends and allies going to dissociate themselves
> from Maior or live forever with the Taint of association with someone who in
> another time period would be in lockstep with the well.....I think its
> pretty clear.
>

You are not one to talk about "Taint of Association" Sulla. You have caused as much disturbance as Maior has. You love pushing people's buttons. You think everything is all right as long as it is delivered on what *you* perceive as humor.
It appears to me that you are attempting to use humor as an obstructionist tactic.
News flash, you are not always funny and often, in my opinion, you lack good judgment.
I don¡¦t think you are a very good satirist. Don¡¦t quit your day jobƒº

From Fabius Maximus:

> > Personal insult: "Why, he is doing a good job imitating Monty Python.
> > Caeso Fabius our monty python consul! Has a good ring to it."
> >
> > The two don't even come close.

It was not a comparison of what was said, but that this too is a highly disrespectful statement regarding a sitting Consul, twice Consul and much respected pillar of Nova Roma. Again it has to do with good judgment regarding the entire situation and the people involved.
Note, in my original statement I included ¡§personal insult¡¨ and also said that:
¡§If she is to be moderated [for personal insult], I ask the praetura to put L. Cornelius Sulla on
moderation for his highly disrespectful statement about Consul Quintilianus, one
of the two most important Magistrates¡¨

> You had a Consul calling an intercession
> > against the other consul's response.

No I didn¡¦t :) Who is the ¡§you¡¨ referred to?

> >Nova Romans cannot do that. It made
> > the issuing Consul look like he had no idea what he was doing.

Really? Looks like it was done.

>Cornelius'
> > reply was in the spirit of lampooning a magistrate, a great sport among
> > Nova
> > Roman citizens.

Speak for yourself Fabius, not everyone likes the constant buffoonery and sometimes things should be taken seriously ¡V it is no wonder why some citizens who consistently engage in poor humor never earn the respect of the citizenry.
In this situation it is inappropriate.

I¡¦ve said my peace no need to waste any more time or energy on this ¡V it is up to the moderators.

Valete,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Salve;
>
> If I may?
>
> Satire of Those In Charge is a great tradition in western culture,
> meanness is not; so the cited example is not, in my view, a good
> example of an "offense" worthy of moderation.
>
> Sulla was poking fun by invoking an icon of modern western humor...
>
> As to the other party mentioned, nothing further, as I will no longer
> write negative opinions about negative people.
>
> Vale - Venator
>

Salve Venii,

Sir, I appreciate and respect your statement.

In this serious situation where our two highest Magistrates, our Consuls, are at odds, not only was the satire was poor, but in this case it was ill timed and inappropriate.

I have observed many times on the ML that in an effort to have one's own opinions respected the opinions of others are neglected or not considered worthy of consideration.

Long time citizens who have been or are magistrates and who are Senators should be examples of Roman virtues.
I have no problem with Satire and often enjoy Dexter's and Sulla's banter, for example.

Making fun of Magistrates has become a habit - when this happens the culture disintegrates and there is little left of worth. When there is a such lack of dignity and respect we resemble a circus with three rings of poorly choreographed clowns.
It reflects upon us all.


Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Salve;
>
> If I may?
>
> Satire of Those In Charge is a great tradition in western culture,
> meanness is not; so the cited example is not, in my view, a good
> example of an "offense" worthy of moderation.
>
> Sulla was poking fun by invoking an icon of modern western humor...
>
> As to the other party mentioned, nothing further, as I will no longer
> write negative opinions about negative people.
>
> Vale - Venator
>

Rutilia opnibus spd

Ladies & Gentlemen, time to stop. Just stop. We have far too many important things to discuss at this time to allow another flame session to distract us.

I have Sulla's word that he will not post anything further on this matter, and I formally request the same courtesy of the rest of you.

Gratias tibi ago.

Enodia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Iulia Cornelio Fabio sal,
>
> > I read Maior's words - her incitement to violence and I wonder why are her
> > supporters and friends still supporting Maior?
>
> I am not contesting the moderator's judgment regarding Maior's words.
> You just want to make it look like that. This is what you do, but your attempt to spin things to your advantage often goes against you.
> If I was a moderator I would not have waited two days to moderate a citizen. I would issue a warning to the citizen and had the citizen not adhered then I would have applied moderation.
>
> > I think we need to look at Maior's words by framing it in another time
> > period
>
> You might take a long hard look in the mirror Sulla. In my mind I see you disrupting the ML on a regular basis.
> You don��t seem to possess the filter that most people develop to discern when to be serious and when to ... attempt�K to be humorous.
> It is not like you do not realize we are in a serious situation.
> You do take the respublica seriously don��t you?
>
> > So, my question is are her friends and allies going to dissociate themselves
> > from Maior or live forever with the Taint of association with someone who in
> > another time period would be in lockstep with the well.....I think its
> > pretty clear.
> >
> You are not one to talk about "Taint of Association" Sulla. You have caused as much disturbance as Maior has. You love pushing people's buttons. You think everything is all right as long as it is delivered on what *you* perceive as humor.
> It appears to me that you are attempting to use humor as an obstructionist tactic.
> News flash, you are not always funny and often, in my opinion, you lack good judgment.
> I don��t think you are a very good satirist. Don��t quit your day job��
>
> From Fabius Maximus:
> > > Personal insult: "Why, he is doing a good job imitating Monty Python.
> > > Caeso Fabius our monty python consul! Has a good ring to it."
> > >
> > > The two don't even come close.
>
> It was not a comparison of what was said, but that this too is a highly disrespectful statement regarding a sitting Consul, twice Consul and much respected pillar of Nova Roma. Again it has to do with good judgment regarding the entire situation and the people involved.
> Note, in my original statement I included ��personal insult�� and also said that:
> ��If she is to be moderated [for personal insult], I ask the praetura to put L. Cornelius Sulla on
> moderation for his highly disrespectful statement about Consul Quintilianus, one
> of the two most important Magistrates��
>
> > You had a Consul calling an intercession
> > > against the other consul's response.
>
> No I didn��t :) Who is the ��you�� referred to?
>
> > >Nova Romans cannot do that. It made
> > > the issuing Consul look like he had no idea what he was doing.
>
> Really? Looks like it was done.
>
> >Cornelius'
> > > reply was in the spirit of lampooning a magistrate, a great sport among
> > > Nova
> > > Roman citizens.
>
> Speak for yourself Fabius, not everyone likes the constant buffoonery and sometimes things should be taken seriously �V it is no wonder why some citizens who consistently engage in poor humor never earn the respect of the citizenry.
> In this situation it is inappropriate.
>
> I��ve said my peace no need to waste any more time or energy on this �V it is up to the moderators.
>
> Valete,
>
> Julia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve;
> >
> > If I may?
> >
> > Satire of Those In Charge is a great tradition in western culture,
> > meanness is not; so the cited example is not, in my view, a good
> > example of an "offense" worthy of moderation.
> >
> > Sulla was poking fun by invoking an icon of modern western humor...
> >
> > As to the other party mentioned, nothing further, as I will no longer
> > write negative opinions about negative people.
> >
> > Vale - Venator
> >
>

Salve Iulia,

Lest this become too saccharine, I do appreciate your opinion...

I have been called by some, a good Roman, which I take as a compliment.

I try hard to live my life in a manner such that my dad (as i believe
he still watches over me) or mom would smile if they read an account;
'tis no more complicated than that. I will admit that my words or
actions would cause them to frown a bit from time to time.

It is from them I learned to try and be truthful, dignified,
forthright and consistent. I make no special claims about myself; am
neither a great academic nor a professional, but I do think I act in
an adult manner better than some who pretend to great credentials.

Be well and may the Immortals smile on your life.

Vale - Venator

Salve Messallina!

I heard this on NPR! Now I want some calmari and mussels in garlic sauce!!!
Actually I was a little disappointed I was sort of expecting to see muscled footballers... well I think you know me well enough to know where I was going.*laughs, teases*
Thank you, consider me enlightened!

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
> This video might help, Iulia.
> MVM
> P.S. Dexter, the walrus is in the tank next door to Paul's. ;)
>  
> http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Paul-the-octopus-has-made-his-final-selections?urn=sow,254898
>  
>  
>
>
> <<--- On Fri, 7/9/10, luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Maxima,
>
> I need a translation *laughs* ooohhhhhh soccer...er.. football!
>
> Vale,
>
> Julia>>
>  
>
> >--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Salvete!
> >  
> > In the midst of chaos, mayhem and madness comes the voice... er, well, tenacle... of wisdom, calmness and sanity! Yes, friends, El Pulpo Paul has spoken... ah, well actually, he was too busy eating the Spanish mussel to talk, if he can say anything at all, I don't really know if an octopus can speak, but that's beside the point! Therefore, place all your bets on Hispania for this Sunday's final arena showdown. :)
> > However, an imposter lurks in the hypogeum! :o Don't listen to that tweeting trickster, Mani! After all, he gets his information second-hand. Claims a little bird told him. Uh-unh...
> > I'm too sick to toot my vuvuzela or wave my pom-pom anymore (not too sick for some more of that honey-wine though), so I've sent Rota to fetch Decia Scriptrix who calls our lovely host nation her home, so she can attend the final with us and toot my vuvuzela and wave my pom-pom for me. So very kind of you, Decia. Much thanks!
> > Of course, when the Virgo Maxima is away, it would seem all manner of chaos is erupting in NR. Hmm... so many questions. Seeing as everyone from the Greeks to the Arabs to the Britons are consulting with the Great Oracle of our times, perhaps it's time for me to pay a visit to His All-Knowingness to consult with him about our own NR melodrama.
> > I wonder if octopuses like iguanas?  
> >  
> > http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-germany-octopusoracle-worldcup
> >  
> > Valete bene,
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve Venii,

I appreciate your opinion as well and I consider you a good Roman.

>I will admit that my words or
> actions would cause them to frown a bit from time to time.

We both have had our moments but I wonder if this has to do with our age *laughs* and we just have had enough. Like Enodia said "Stop it!" - so many times I have wanted to write only those two words!

> I try hard to live my life in a manner such that my dad (as i believe
> he still watches over me) or mom would smile if they read an account;
> 'tis no more complicated than that.
> It is from them I learned to try and be truthful, dignified,
> forthright and consistent.

Yes, like you I have great respect and admiration for my parents and even though they are both gone I still want to act in manner that they would be proud of.

>I make no special claims about myself; am
> neither a great academic nor a professional, but I do think I act in
> an adult manner better than some who pretend to great credentials.
>

Education is no replacement for well instilled virtues, without those virtues, without a well developed good character, great credentials have nothing to take root in.

> Be well and may the Immortals smile on your life.

The same to you as well,

> Vale - Venator

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Iulia,
>
> Lest this become too saccharine, I do appreciate your opinion...
>
> I have been called by some, a good Roman, which I take as a compliment.
>
> I try hard to live my life in a manner such that my dad (as i believe
> he still watches over me) or mom would smile if they read an account;
> 'tis no more complicated than that. I will admit that my words or
> actions would cause them to frown a bit from time to time.
>
> It is from them I learned to try and be truthful, dignified,
> forthright and consistent. I make no special claims about myself; am
> neither a great academic nor a professional, but I do think I act in
> an adult manner better than some who pretend to great credentials.
>
> Be well and may the Immortals smile on your life.
>
> Vale - Venator
>

Salve,

Just a quick comment about the "two day" matter. The reason it took two days is because there was a discussion on the praetores list. I think when it comes to any type of sanction it is better to have opinions gathered and discussed, even if it means justice is delayed a little, rather than jumping to actions which might be regretted later.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Iulia Cornelio Fabio sal,
>
> > I read Maior's words - her incitement to violence and I wonder why are her
> > supporters and friends still supporting Maior?
>
> I am not contesting the moderator's judgment regarding Maior's words.
> You just want to make it look like that. This is what you do, but your attempt to spin things to your advantage often goes against you.
> If I was a moderator I would not have waited two days to moderate a citizen. I would issue a warning to the citizen and had the citizen not adhered then I would have applied moderation.

Salvete Omnes,

Tonight I offer an excerpt on Happiness!

Mercator
T. Macci Plauti

Happiness

V.ii 842 -850
EVT: Divom atque hominum quae spectatrix atque era eadem es hominibus,
spem speratam quom obtulisti hanc mihi, tibi grates ago.
ecquisnam deus est, qui mea nunc laetus laetitia fuat?
domi erat quod quaeritabam: sex sodales repperi,
vitam, amicitiam, civitatem, laetitiam, ludum, iocum;
eorum inventu res simitu pessumas pessum dedi,
iram, inimicitiam, maerorem, lacrumas, exilium, inopiam
[solitudinem, stultitiam, exitium, pertinaciam].
date, di, quaeso conveniundi mi eius celerem copiam.

Oh, thou who dost view both gods and men, yea, and dost dominate mankind, forasmuch as thou hast fulfilled the hope of my heart, I thank thee! Ah, is there any god happy as I am now? That which I sought for was at home! Six comrades have I found – life, friendship, country, joy, jubilation, and jollity; and by finding them I have simultaneously banished the worst of banes – ire, enmity, grief, tears, exile and want. May god grant me a speedy meeting with him!


Etiam nunc saluto te, bene valete et vivite!

Julia

Salve Gaultere,

Please allow me to apologize regarding the two day matter. Last year's cohors was a different matter with two experienced Praetores. This year I can only imagine what burden the moderators must carry without the benefit of their Magistrates.

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salve,
>
> Just a quick comment about the "two day" matter. The reason it took two days is because there was a discussion on the praetores list. I think when it comes to any type of sanction it is better to have opinions gathered and discussed, even if it means justice is delayed a little, rather than jumping to actions which might be regretted later.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
> >
> > Iulia Cornelio Fabio sal,
> >
> > > I read Maior's words - her incitement to violence and I wonder why are her
> > > supporters and friends still supporting Maior?
> >
> > I am not contesting the moderator's judgment regarding Maior's words.
> > You just want to make it look like that. This is what you do, but your attempt to spin things to your advantage often goes against you.
> > If I was a moderator I would not have waited two days to moderate a citizen. I would issue a warning to the citizen and had the citizen not adhered then I would have applied moderation.
>

Caris omnibus s.d

Ah Delos Island of the God Apollo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll5um_j2uLI&feature=related

Delos is one of the most important archaeological sites in Greece.
Delos was the island of the God Apollo, god of light and the sun. Delos was inhabited since about 3000 BC.


A brief profile of Apollo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPIg8JcXvH0&feature=related

Valete optime,

Julia

>
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salve Gaultere,
>
> Please allow me to apologize regarding the two day matter. Last year's cohors
> was a different matter with two experienced Praetores. This year I can only
> imagine what burden the moderators must carry without the benefit of their
> Magistrates.
>
> ATS: As a matter of fact, some of us in the cohors advocated moderating
> MHM shortly after these inflammatory posts appeared, but our current orders
> are to wait for approval from Consul Albucius, and he was apparently unable to
> approve this until today. We are allowed only message approval powers on our
> own at present; anything else must be approved, even banning a prospective
> spammer who appeared the other day.
>
> Vale,
>
> Julia
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Salve,
>> >
>> > Just a quick comment about the "two day" matter. The reason it took two
>> days is because there was a discussion on the praetores list. I think when it
>> comes to any type of sanction it is better to have opinions gathered and
>> discussed, even if it means justice is delayed a little, rather than jumping
>> to actions which might be regretted later.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> >
>> > Gualterus
>> >
>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
>> "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Iulia Cornelio Fabio sal,
>>> > >
>>>> > > > I read Maior's words - her incitement to violence and I wonder why
>>>> are her
>>>> > > > supporters and friends still supporting Maior?
>>> > >
>>> > > I am not contesting the moderator's judgment regarding Maior's words.
>>> > > You just want to make it look like that. This is what you do, but your
>>> attempt to spin things to your advantage often goes against you.
>>> > > If I was a moderator I would not have waited two days to moderate a
>>> citizen. I would issue a warning to the citizen and had the citizen not
>>> adhered then I would have applied moderation.
>> >
>
>
>

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Does anyone think that we get to many e-mails to read per day and most of them
Not about Nova Roma.

Sanga









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Salvete Omnes,

As we celebrate the Ludi we must eat! Eat like Romans!

Globuli

Curd cheese aka Ricotta, 500gm/1lb
1 cup semolina
honey
olive oil

Press cheese through a sieve or let it hang in cheese cloth until well drained.
Mix the semolina into the drained cheese until it forms a loose dough.
Let it sit for a few hours.

Wet hands than form the mixture into small balls.
Quickly fry them in olive oil until they are just golden brown.
Drain the oil off by placing them on paper towels than roll in honey.

Valete optime,

Julia

Avete Quirites!

Surgical Instruments from Ancient Rome

I had intended to post something else entirely from a workshop I gave last year but I came across an exhibit and thought it might be a good way to restart this thread:

http://www.hsl.virginia.edu/historical/artifacts/roman_surgical/

Curate ut valeatis optime!

Julia

C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

This is not the kind of contribution I prefer to make here, or anywhere else
...but, I believe, and strongly, that I cannot ever become a true Nova
Romana, following in the footsteps of my spiritual ancestors, if I am not
true to what *I* am, and will always be, so, with more sorrow than anger ...

I cannot and will not sit quietly and abide the language of bigotry and
hate. I cannot and will not sit quietly and abide attempts to make our Res
Publica a closed community, either welcoming, or ruled exclusively by,
citizens of a specific set of beliefs. I cannot and will not sit quietly
and abide calls to arms consisting of language that refers to "us against
them" verbiage, because I remember entirely too much when such language was
the norm in my own country, and I have read enough history to know when it
was the norm elsewhere.

I love, worship and adore the gods of Rome ...as I have made clear by my
entry into the Camilla program to, eventually, if successful, become a
Vestal. I honor our religious institutions, publicly (having sworn an oath
as a magistrate (albeit it a minor magistrate) to uphold those institutions.
Moe importantly, (to me), I practice both the Sacra Publica (by my reverent
observation) and the Sacra Privata (by my own worship.

I have absolutely no problem with those who have chosen other paths or
belief systems. Why should I? I am comfortable and confident in that which
I have chosen. I firmly believe that diversity was one of the many things
that made Roma Antiqua so very successful, and that it will make us
successful, also. So long as all ho com here understand that, yes, we do
have a State Religion, and that State religion is that of our ancient Roman
ancestors, and so long as those who come here are willing to give public
respect to that religion, whatever they practice in private, then I say "you
are most welcome". Many, many non-Culters have made Nova Roma a better
place, and made real contributions to this Res Publica, and we should ho
them and their contributions.

I will have none of the philosophy that anyone who does not threaten (and
there have *been* no threats) should be removed because their beliefs do not
accord with my own. I will not accept an over simplification of a complex
constitutional, legal situation, with religeous overtones as a basis for
hate mongering rhetoric.

I've read every post over the last few days, and in *none* of them from
non-culters have I seen anything even vaguely resembling disrespect for the
Sacra Romana. The only call to violence I have seen comes not from them
...but from a Culter, and *that* I will *not* sit quietly and abide. In
short, I will not fight a religeous war ...and I will do absolutely
everything in my albeit very limited power, to prevent such a conflict from
occurring.

May the gods who protect us purge us of hatred and bigotry, or that we may
resolve our differences and continue the great work we have set ourselves.

Valete,

C. Maria Caeca

Salve,
Gods finally someone says it, I would but you know flames and all that, more and
more this seems like a role playing board then a micronation.
DVIC
Nero



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From: Quintus Fabius Sanga <q_f_sanga@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 9:04:51 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Too Many Mails



Does anyone think that we get to many e-mails to read per day and most of them
Not about Nova Roma.

Sanga

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Salve Julia,

That sounds quite yummy, thank you for posting this.


Vale,
Aeternia

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:06 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> As we celebrate the Ludi we must eat! Eat like Romans!
>
> Globuli
>
> Curd cheese aka Ricotta, 500gm/1lb
> 1 cup semolina
> honey
> olive oil
>
> Press cheese through a sieve or let it hang in cheese cloth until well
> drained.
> Mix the semolina into the drained cheese until it forms a loose dough.
> Let it sit for a few hours.
>
> Wet hands than form the mixture into small balls.
> Quickly fry them in olive oil until they are just golden brown.
> Drain the oil off by placing them on paper towels than roll in honey.
>
> Valete optime,
>
> Julia
>
>
>

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Salve,

I would recommend changing your settings so that you get Daily Digests as opposed to individual emails from Nova Roma. This is what I was doing for a while, and what I still do for certain lists.

Vale,
Livia Ocella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Quintus Fabius Sanga <q_f_sanga@...> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone think that we get to many e-mails to read per day and most of them
> Not about Nova Roma.
>
> Sanga
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve Sanga,
Yes, we get a lot of emails via Nova Roma, but that is what makes Rome, ROME...
popularity.

May I suggest, you can delete multiple emails at once. Here how:
At your emails...
1) check the top email
2) then press Shift, Control, Alt at the same time
3) check the bottom email
4) make sure there aren't any emails you want to keep
5) Click delete
This way you can delete about 20 emails at once.
I hope this helps you stay with us.
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


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From: Quintus Fabius Sanga <q_f_sanga@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, July 10, 2010 1:04:51 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Too Many Mails



Does anyone think that we get to many e-mails to read per day and most of them
Not about Nova Roma.

Sanga

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Salve,
I've been watching HBO's rome for the about 10,000th time and they keep
mentioning Willow water as a way to calm down. I know willow has anesthetic
properties but calming down? Any history to this? Also on the list of water
maybes from back then honey water and lemon water, any history or do you think
the writer just got tired of using wine?
DVIC
Nero



________________________________
From: Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 9:58:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman cookery

Salve Julia,

That sounds quite yummy, thank you for posting this.


Vale,
Aeternia

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:06 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> As we celebrate the Ludi we must eat! Eat like Romans!
>
> Globuli
>
> Curd cheese aka Ricotta, 500gm/1lb
> 1 cup semolina
> honey
> olive oil
>
> Press cheese through a sieve or let it hang in cheese cloth until well
> drained.
> Mix the semolina into the drained cheese until it forms a loose dough.
> Let it sit for a few hours.
>
> Wet hands than form the mixture into small balls.
> Quickly fry them in olive oil until they are just golden brown.
> Drain the oil off by placing them on paper towels than roll in honey.
>
> Valete optime,
>
> Julia
>
>
>

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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem VII Idus Quinctilis; haec dies nefastus est.

"Idem poeta tam scientia profundus quam amoenus ingenio nonnulla de
veteribus verbis quae ad proprietatem sacrorum noverat pertinere ita
interpretatus est ut mutato verbi sono integer tellectus maneret. Nam
primo pontificii iuris libro apud Pictorem verbum hoc positum est,
vitulari, de cuius verbi significatu Titius ita retulit: Vitulari est
voce laetari. Varro etiam in libro quinto decimo Rerum divinarum ita
refert, quod pontifex in sacris quibusdam vitulari soleat, quod Graeci
"paiazein" vocant. Has tot interpretationes ambages quam paucis verbis
docta elegantia Maronis expressit:

— Laetumque choro paeana canentes!

Nam si vitulari est voce laetari, quod est "paiazein", nonne in cantu
laeti "paianos" enarratio verbi perfecta servata est? Et, ut huic
vocabulo diutius immoremur, Hyllus libro quem de dis conposuit ait
Vitulam vocari deam quae laetitiae praeest. Piso ait vitulam victoriam
nominari. Cuius rei hoc argumentum profert, quod postridie Nonas
Iulias re bene gesta, cum pridie populus a Tuscis in fugam versus sit
(unde Populifugia vocantur) post victoriam certis sacrificiis fiat
vitulatio. Quidam nomen eius animadversum putant, quod potens sit
vitae tolerandae: ideo huic deae pro frugibus fieri sacra dicuntur,
quia frugibus vita humana toleratur. Unde hoc esse animadvertimus?
quod ait Virgilius:

'Cum faciam vitulam pro frugibus, ipse venito'

ut vitulam dixerit pro vitulatione, quod nomen esse sacrificii ob
laetitiam facti superius expressimus? Meminerimus tamen sic legendum
per ablativum:

'Cum faciam vitula pro frugibus'

id est: cum faciam rem divinam non ove, non capra, sed vitula, tamquam
dicat: cum vitulam pro frugibus sacrificavero, quod est: cum vitula
rem divinam fecero. Pontificem Aeneam vel ex nomine referendorum
laborum eius ostendit. Pontificibus enim permissa est potestas
memoriam rerum gestarum in tabulas conferendi, et hos annales
appellant equidem maximos, quasi a pontificibus maximis factos. Unde
ex persona Aeneae ait:

'Et vacet annales tantorum audire laborum.' " - Macrobius, Saturnalia
II.10-17

"Vitula which, in common speech, designates a heifer, had, of itself and in its derivatives vitulari and vitulatio, a religious meaning in the old Roman religion. Macrobius, based on an ancient witness, informs us that Vitula is a divinity that presides over joy; and the poets of the earliest period, Naevius, Ennius, and Plautus, make vitulari and vitulatio synonyms of laetari with a religious connotation; Varro explains it by the Greek. At first, in Umbria, where this custom seems to have originated, vitulatio consisted in chasing before one a herd of calves symbolizing a hostile army, then sacrificing it either as a promise, or as a celebration of victory. Thus Vitula personified became herself a divinity of Victory [Victoria]; the word was later corrupted into Vitellia or Vitelia, under the attraction of the name of the gens, the origins of which Suetonius connects with Faunus and Vitellia, Sabine divinities transplanted to Rome." - Smith, "Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities"

This day and the previous, are called the Vitulatio, or Days of Joy,
and is a day of celebration honoring Vitula, the personified goddess
of joy and victory. No doubt this day commemorates the almost
miraculous survival of the people through the preceding series of
calamities, the Gallic invasion, the destruction of the city, and the
opportunistic attack by their neighbors. Chanting and singing for joy
were the theme of the day. Sacrifices were offered to Iuppiter and
games were held.

"After Hadrian's death there was erected to him a huge equestrian
statue representing him with a four-horse chariot. It was so large
that the bulkiest man could walk through the eye of each horse, yet
because of the extreme height of the foundation persons passing along
on the ground below believe that the horses themselves as well as
Hadrian are very small." - Dio Cassius, "Hadrian"

On this day in AD 138, the emperor Hadrian died.

Valete bene!

Cato

C. Equitius Cato quirites senatores sacerdotes pontifices magistrati omnibusque qui transitis per viam vitae nostram SPD

We are faced with a number of challenges right now in the Respublica: the structure and maintenance of our website; disagreement over the meaning and substance of our law; puzzling questions about our financial status; adversarial relations between magistrates and their colleagues; the drumbeat of animosity based on religious differences, just to name a few.

Yet we seem to miss, at times - perhaps more often than not - what it is we are all here for. Audere est facere - and we *have* dared something here, together. We have dared to believe that there are some crucial elements in our human history that have been lost in the modern world; that we have, in fact, lost some of what it is that has made us human to begin with. We have dared to look back to a time that - while certainly not perfect in very many ways - speaks to us about what we expect from ourselves and each other.

All human cultures have shining moments, moments that even today when we read about them make us pause and take stock of the kind of will and determination that made those moments possible. That human beings, for all their petty jealousies, antagonisms and xenophobias could stand back for a breath of time and leap, triumphant, at a juncture in time and say, "We have done this!" and the world for ages afterward looks back in awe and wonder.

For us, the epitome of those moments is shown in the splendor and vibrancy of Rome, a muddy little hamlet slumped around a festering swamp that rose and, with a shout, went out "to rule the world and make mankind obey."

How do we move ourselves forward from the muddy little hamlet we now reside in and clothe ourselves with new brick and mortar and marble, creating a name worthy of those names borne by our chosen ancestors?

We are all here by our own choice, to fulfill a role that we each believe is made for us; whatever it is about this odd little place that draws us in and makes us willing to bind ourselves to each other and to a common law, a common will, a common purpose, is strong enough to lead us to adopt new personae - our very names - in hopes of growing to fill that role.

The government is the body of the State, the flesh and blood of a willing and eager people joined together in muscle and sinew to move forward with great steps, to lift great weights and move mountains; the religio is its life, its genius, its breath, the force which propels it and gives its existence meaning. The one without the other is a shadow, a puppet, a flimsy husk without either purpose or meaning; neither can live - truly and meaningfully live - unless it has the other.

So I call upon the whole Respublica, the Senate and People of this new Rome, to come together and work - RIGHT NOW - to alleviate the stresses that we are putting on our foundations.

How?

I call upon the College of Augurs to withdraw their decretum officially; then for the entire Senate to offer a public piaculum to assuage any offenses that have been incurred by incorrect actions or rituals.

I call for the consuls to end their animosity and publicly declare their restored amicability before the People and the gods, for without a clear head the State can only stumble.

I call for the pontifex maximus and the consuls to end their feuding and publicly declare their restored amicability before the People and the gods, for without steady breath the body can only gasp and weaken.

I call for the religious Colleges to offer instruction to all magistrates and interested citizens in the *practical application* of the religiones Romanae, that the State cult might flourish and be practiced daily and publicly, for without a heart the State becomes a corpse, stiff and cold.

I call for *all* magistrates to reaffirm their vow to the People of this new Rome, and before the gods of the State, to uphold the law and obey it; for the law may be written by men and imperfect but must be honored not for power and influence but because the gods demand it, for without a path the State can only wander aimlessly.

I call for a new start. We dare. We can do.

Optime valete,

Cato

Livia Aeterniae sal.
Excuse me, but why should you take "atheist" as an insult? I find it
offensive that you do. I have been atheist for most of my life, and so are
several millions of people. Since when is it an insult?

Vale,
Livia

> Aeternia M. Hortensiae s.p.d.
>
>
> Okay this thing of you calling everyone an atheist who is a Non-Cultor I
> am
> requesting you stop this now, it's rather insulting. I'm not saying
> you're
> not devoted to Rome and all her wonderful aspecs, but this is becoming
> absolutely non-productive.
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> M.Hortensia quiritibus spd;
>>
>> Nova Roma is dedicated to the restoration of the gods;
>>
>> those that refuse to respect respect the signs of the gods: augury should
>> go. In Ancient Roman eyes they are atheists.
>>
>> Nova Roma is nothing without the gods and the Pax Deorum.
>>
>> I support and love Romanitas and the Religio Romana.
>> M. Hortensia Maior
>> Flaminica Carmentalis
>>
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Danyell
>> Elaina Hildur Brodd <angelshavethephonebox@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > This post is a bit of a late reaction tot he words of one M. Hortensia
>> > Maior:
>> >
>> > "Nova Roma will turn into an atheist-monotheism under them!!!"
>> > "Cultores it is US. vs them Nova Roma for the gods and Rome! Atheists
>> > OUT!!!!!"
>> >
>> > It is my opinion that this is hate speech. I know the author has been
>> > moderated, which is to serve as the consequence for these statements,
>> > but
>> it
>> > still hurts me and I feel I am entitled to respond.
>> > There were monotheists and even a few atheists in ancient Rome, but
>> > that
>> > is irrelevant. Our organization, which I hold very dear to my heart, is
>> open
>> > to all who love and respect Rome, to all who seek education and
>> conversation
>> > with others who share this common interest.
>> > I know that here in my home country, the United States, we're still
>> > fighting for the basic civil rights of some of our citizens, but it is
>> > a
>> > common American value that all men are created equal. I bring a lot of
>> > my
>> > American upbringing into everything I do, I can't help it, it's part of
>> me.
>> > Our own constitution guarantee "Citizenship is open to anyone
>> > regardless
>> of
>> > ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation."
>> That
>> > sounds beautiful to me, that's exactly what I want to see in any
>> > organization I belong to. I read the constitution before I applied for
>> > citizenship, and I find myself reviewing it from time to time as well.
>> > Another important bit of the constitution,"Magistrates, Senators, and
>> > citizens need not be practitioners of the *Religio Romana*, but may not
>> > engage in any activity that intentionally blasphemes or defames the
>> > Gods,
>> > the *Religio Romana*, or its practitioners."
>> > I am not threatened by anyone who holds a difference of opinion from
>> > me.
>> > Nor am i afraid of what will happen to Nova Roma if "Atheists" and
>> > "Monotheists" continue to be valuable and influential members of this
>> > organization. I am not so small minded as to think the Gods would want
>> > me
>> to
>> > shun good men and women because they followed a different path.
>> > No, i am not afraid, what I am is angry and ashamed. I;m angry that
>> > this
>> > hate speech, which is not uncommon from it's author, is being met with
>> > a
>> > mere moderation. I'm ashamed that my fellow Nova Roman sister could say
>> > these hateful things under the watchful eyes of our Gods.
>> > My request is simple. Can we all please strive to maintain a little
>> > dignitas when speaking to or of each other. Nova Roma is not a private
>> club
>> > for cultores, nor should it EVER be. The day we deny people citizenship
>> > based on their religious beliefs is the day we have all failed the Gods
>> > entirely.
>> > I'm so angry. Look at this through my eyes, this is the same to me as
>> > the
>> > day my father was arrested falsely because he matched the oh so popular
>> > description "large Hispanic man" , or the day my Grandparents told me I
>> > would be disinherited if I married my then boyfriend who happened to be
>> of
>> > West African heritage. There is no "Cultores only" sign at the front
>> > door
>> of
>> > my home, nor is there one on our home page.
>> > I ask that we hold each other accountable for such hate speech at all
>> > times. Respect each other. Our fellow citizens are here for a reason.
>> > No
>> one
>> > goes through the citizenship process to launch a secret ploy to
>> obliterate
>> > the religio, Such a fear is unfounded, and I have to ask myself why
>> anyone
>> > would ever say the afore quoted statements. What causes a person to be
>> > so
>> > afraid of the Gods that you fear the mere presence of non cultores?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Have you ever had one of those days when something just seems to be
>> trying
>> > to tell you somebody?"
>> >
>> >
>> > John Constantine, in SANDMAN #3: "Dream a Little Dream of Me"
>> >
>> >
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Salve,

> Satire of Those In Charge is a great tradition in western culture,

Yes it is. But Satire is a spiritual work not a public offense in a Forum.

> meanness is not; so the cited example is not, in my view, a good
> example of an "offense" worthy of moderation.

It is an offense because made toward a Consul, the princeps Senatus too. This kind of thing was immediately closed in Rome by the lictors. I do not beg the head of Robert, but if he is put under moderation for 72 hours it is the minimum. He had to respect our principles of courtesy.

> Sulla was poking fun by invoking an icon of modern western humor...

We are in Nova Roma.

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VI Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

I don't think anyone here would ever consider the term "Atheist" an insult.
I am offended, and I believe the other who have posted here are in
agreement, at the call to remove anyone who is a non cultore is hate speech.
We are not upset that someone has been labeled an atheist, We're upset at
the statement that an Atheist, a Muslim, an Norse pagan, or person of any
other faith should be unwelcome here in Nova Roma.

"Have you ever had one of those days when something just seems to be trying
to tell you somebody?"


John Constantine, in SANDMAN #3: "Dream a Little Dream of Me"

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 1:56 AM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:

> Livia Aeterniae sal.
> Excuse me, but why should you take "atheist" as an insult? I find it
> offensive that you do. I have been atheist for most of my life, and so are
> several millions of people. Since when is it an insult?
>
> Vale,
> Livia
>
>
> > Aeternia M. Hortensiae s.p.d.
> >
> >
> > Okay this thing of you calling everyone an atheist who is a Non-Cultor I
> > am
> > requesting you stop this now, it's rather insulting. I'm not saying
> > you're
> > not devoted to Rome and all her wonderful aspecs, but this is becoming
> > absolutely non-productive.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> M.Hortensia quiritibus spd;
> >>
> >> Nova Roma is dedicated to the restoration of the gods;
> >>
> >> those that refuse to respect respect the signs of the gods: augury
> should
> >> go. In Ancient Roman eyes they are atheists.
> >>
> >> Nova Roma is nothing without the gods and the Pax Deorum.
> >>
> >> I support and love Romanitas and the Religio Romana.
> >> M. Hortensia Maior
> >> Flaminica Carmentalis
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Danyell
> >> Elaina Hildur Brodd <angelshavethephonebox@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > This post is a bit of a late reaction tot he words of one M. Hortensia
> >> > Maior:
> >> >
> >> > "Nova Roma will turn into an atheist-monotheism under them!!!"
> >> > "Cultores it is US. vs them Nova Roma for the gods and Rome! Atheists
> >> > OUT!!!!!"
> >> >
> >> > It is my opinion that this is hate speech. I know the author has been
> >> > moderated, which is to serve as the consequence for these statements,
> >> > but
> >> it
> >> > still hurts me and I feel I am entitled to respond.
> >> > There were monotheists and even a few atheists in ancient Rome, but
> >> > that
> >> > is irrelevant. Our organization, which I hold very dear to my heart,
> is
> >> open
> >> > to all who love and respect Rome, to all who seek education and
> >> conversation
> >> > with others who share this common interest.
> >> > I know that here in my home country, the United States, we're still
> >> > fighting for the basic civil rights of some of our citizens, but it is
> >> > a
> >> > common American value that all men are created equal. I bring a lot of
> >> > my
> >> > American upbringing into everything I do, I can't help it, it's part
> of
> >> me.
> >> > Our own constitution guarantee "Citizenship is open to anyone
> >> > regardless
> >> of
> >> > ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual
> orientation."
> >> That
> >> > sounds beautiful to me, that's exactly what I want to see in any
> >> > organization I belong to. I read the constitution before I applied for
> >> > citizenship, and I find myself reviewing it from time to time as well.
> >> > Another important bit of the constitution,"Magistrates, Senators, and
> >> > citizens need not be practitioners of the *Religio Romana*, but may
> not
> >> > engage in any activity that intentionally blasphemes or defames the
> >> > Gods,
> >> > the *Religio Romana*, or its practitioners."
> >> > I am not threatened by anyone who holds a difference of opinion from
> >> > me.
> >> > Nor am i afraid of what will happen to Nova Roma if "Atheists" and
> >> > "Monotheists" continue to be valuable and influential members of this
> >> > organization. I am not so small minded as to think the Gods would want
> >> > me
> >> to
> >> > shun good men and women because they followed a different path.
> >> > No, i am not afraid, what I am is angry and ashamed. I;m angry that
> >> > this
> >> > hate speech, which is not uncommon from it's author, is being met with
> >> > a
> >> > mere moderation. I'm ashamed that my fellow Nova Roman sister could
> say
> >> > these hateful things under the watchful eyes of our Gods.
> >> > My request is simple. Can we all please strive to maintain a little
> >> > dignitas when speaking to or of each other. Nova Roma is not a private
> >> club
> >> > for cultores, nor should it EVER be. The day we deny people
> citizenship
> >> > based on their religious beliefs is the day we have all failed the
> Gods
> >> > entirely.
> >> > I'm so angry. Look at this through my eyes, this is the same to me as
> >> > the
> >> > day my father was arrested falsely because he matched the oh so
> popular
> >> > description "large Hispanic man" , or the day my Grandparents told me
> I
> >> > would be disinherited if I married my then boyfriend who happened to
> be
> >> of
> >> > West African heritage. There is no "Cultores only" sign at the front
> >> > door
> >> of
> >> > my home, nor is there one on our home page.
> >> > I ask that we hold each other accountable for such hate speech at all
> >> > times. Respect each other. Our fellow citizens are here for a reason.
> >> > No
> >> one
> >> > goes through the citizenship process to launch a secret ploy to
> >> obliterate
> >> > the religio, Such a fear is unfounded, and I have to ask myself why
> >> anyone
> >> > would ever say the afore quoted statements. What causes a person to be
> >> > so
> >> > afraid of the Gods that you fear the mere presence of non cultores?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Have you ever had one of those days when something just seems to be
> >> trying
> >> > to tell you somebody?"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > John Constantine, in SANDMAN #3: "Dream a Little Dream of Me"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
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Aeternia Liviae sal.

My apologies for stepping upon your delicate sensibilities, but I have both
lived and dated Atheists myself cool mellow individuals actually. In this
case, Maior seems to be referring to people who are Non-Cultores i.e.
Xtians, Non Roman Pagan, etc etc, as "atheists".

As a Pagan who is not a practioner of the Cultus Deorum, its almost telling
me that I am godless, and yeah in that case its a little insulting.

We are seeing two different points of view, if you wish we can take this
matter privately, but I stand my ground, my apologies if it offends.

Vale,
Aeternia

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:56 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:

> Livia Aeterniae sal.
> Excuse me, but why should you take "atheist" as an insult? I find it
> offensive that you do. I have been atheist for most of my life, and so are
> several millions of people. Since when is it an insult?
>
> Vale,
> Livia
>
>
> > Aeternia M. Hortensiae s.p.d.
> >
> >
> > Okay this thing of you calling everyone an atheist who is a Non-Cultor I
> > am
> > requesting you stop this now, it's rather insulting. I'm not saying
> > you're
> > not devoted to Rome and all her wonderful aspecs, but this is becoming
> > absolutely non-productive.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> M.Hortensia quiritibus spd;
> >>
> >> Nova Roma is dedicated to the restoration of the gods;
> >>
> >> those that refuse to respect respect the signs of the gods: augury
> should
> >> go. In Ancient Roman eyes they are atheists.
> >>
> >> Nova Roma is nothing without the gods and the Pax Deorum.
> >>
> >> I support and love Romanitas and the Religio Romana.
> >> M. Hortensia Maior
> >> Flaminica Carmentalis
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Danyell
> >> Elaina Hildur Brodd <angelshavethephonebox@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > This post is a bit of a late reaction tot he words of one M. Hortensia
> >> > Maior:
> >> >
> >> > "Nova Roma will turn into an atheist-monotheism under them!!!"
> >> > "Cultores it is US. vs them Nova Roma for the gods and Rome! Atheists
> >> > OUT!!!!!"
> >> >
> >> > It is my opinion that this is hate speech. I know the author has been
> >> > moderated, which is to serve as the consequence for these statements,
> >> > but
> >> it
> >> > still hurts me and I feel I am entitled to respond.
> >> > There were monotheists and even a few atheists in ancient Rome, but
> >> > that
> >> > is irrelevant. Our organization, which I hold very dear to my heart,
> is
> >> open
> >> > to all who love and respect Rome, to all who seek education and
> >> conversation
> >> > with others who share this common interest.
> >> > I know that here in my home country, the United States, we're still
> >> > fighting for the basic civil rights of some of our citizens, but it is
> >> > a
> >> > common American value that all men are created equal. I bring a lot of
> >> > my
> >> > American upbringing into everything I do, I can't help it, it's part
> of
> >> me.
> >> > Our own constitution guarantee "Citizenship is open to anyone
> >> > regardless
> >> of
> >> > ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual
> orientation."
> >> That
> >> > sounds beautiful to me, that's exactly what I want to see in any
> >> > organization I belong to. I read the constitution before I applied for
> >> > citizenship, and I find myself reviewing it from time to time as well.
> >> > Another important bit of the constitution,"Magistrates, Senators, and
> >> > citizens need not be practitioners of the *Religio Romana*, but may
> not
> >> > engage in any activity that intentionally blasphemes or defames the
> >> > Gods,
> >> > the *Religio Romana*, or its practitioners."
> >> > I am not threatened by anyone who holds a difference of opinion from
> >> > me.
> >> > Nor am i afraid of what will happen to Nova Roma if "Atheists" and
> >> > "Monotheists" continue to be valuable and influential members of this
> >> > organization. I am not so small minded as to think the Gods would want
> >> > me
> >> to
> >> > shun good men and women because they followed a different path.
> >> > No, i am not afraid, what I am is angry and ashamed. I;m angry that
> >> > this
> >> > hate speech, which is not uncommon from it's author, is being met with
> >> > a
> >> > mere moderation. I'm ashamed that my fellow Nova Roman sister could
> say
> >> > these hateful things under the watchful eyes of our Gods.
> >> > My request is simple. Can we all please strive to maintain a little
> >> > dignitas when speaking to or of each other. Nova Roma is not a private
> >> club
> >> > for cultores, nor should it EVER be. The day we deny people
> citizenship
> >> > based on their religious beliefs is the day we have all failed the
> Gods
> >> > entirely.
> >> > I'm so angry. Look at this through my eyes, this is the same to me as
> >> > the
> >> > day my father was arrested falsely because he matched the oh so
> popular
> >> > description "large Hispanic man" , or the day my Grandparents told me
> I
> >> > would be disinherited if I married my then boyfriend who happened to
> be
> >> of
> >> > West African heritage. There is no "Cultores only" sign at the front
> >> > door
> >> of
> >> > my home, nor is there one on our home page.
> >> > I ask that we hold each other accountable for such hate speech at all
> >> > times. Respect each other. Our fellow citizens are here for a reason.
> >> > No
> >> one
> >> > goes through the citizenship process to launch a secret ploy to
> >> obliterate
> >> > the religio, Such a fear is unfounded, and I have to ask myself why
> >> anyone
> >> > would ever say the afore quoted statements. What causes a person to be
> >> > so
> >> > afraid of the Gods that you fear the mere presence of non cultores?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Have you ever had one of those days when something just seems to be
> >> trying
> >> > to tell you somebody?"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > John Constantine, in SANDMAN #3: "Dream a Little Dream of Me"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>


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Salve, Dexter

Would you please explain what you mean by the statement: "Satire is a spiritual work?"

Vale,
Enodia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> > Satire of Those In Charge is a great tradition in western culture,
>
> Yes it is. But Satire is a spiritual work not a public offense in a Forum.
>
> > meanness is not; so the cited example is not, in my view, a good
> > example of an "offense" worthy of moderation.
>
> It is an offense because made toward a Consul, the princeps Senatus too. This kind of thing was immediately closed in Rome by the lictors. I do not beg the head of Robert, but if he is put under moderation for 72 hours it is the minimum. He had to respect our principles of courtesy.
>
> > Sulla was poking fun by invoking an icon of modern western humor...
>
> We are in Nova Roma.
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. VI Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

Ave Enodia,

> Would you please explain what you mean by the statement: "Satire is a spiritual work?"

Mentis opera, a spirit work. As verses written by Catullus, Horatius, Persius, Iuvenalis, or Novel by Petronius and others, or painted by many draughtsmen... in such a way that we can judge it as a piece of art.

Here the so-called "satire" of Sulla:

>> Why, he is doing a good job imitating Monty Python.

That is perhaps satiristic, but what is imitated? We do not know.

>> Caeso Fabius our monty python consul!

It is offensing. It is not yet a satire.

>> Has a good ring to it.

As I said, Sulla has problem with his hearing aids...

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VI Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

I, Gaius Antonius Costa, legatus pro praetore of Provincia Sarmatia, in accordance with Section 3.1.1 of the Lex Fabia de Oppidis et Municipiis, having received a foedus from the following citizens,
• Marcus Arrius Varro
• Titus Aelius Crispinus
• Appia Gellia Cana
• Manius Claudius Galeo
• Lucius Rutilius Nerva
requesting official approval for the formation of an oppidum in the City of Nizhniy Novgorod, Russia have examined this request. I find that it meets the requirements of Section 3.1.2 of the Lex Fabia de Oppidis et Municipiis. Accordingly by virtue and authority of this edict I approve their request.
The official name of this community shall be Oppidum Urbs Nova and the
geographical limits of the Oppidum shall include the city of Nizhniy Novgorod and the Nizhegorodskaya oblast, Russia.
Further, in accordance with Section 3.1.3 of the Lex Fabia de Oppidis et Municipiis I appoint Marcus Arrius Varro and Titus Aelius Crispinus to serve as provisional aediles. They are instructed to call the comitia oppidana of the Oppidum Urbs Nova and conduct therein an election for the appointment of two aediles. This election shall be held within sixty days from today. The appointment of the provisional aediles shall expire immediately upon the election of the new aediles.
This edict is effective immediately.
Given under my hand, this 10th day of July, 2010 in the City of Nizhny Novgorod, Russia.
C. Antonius Costa
Legatus pro praetore
Provincia Sarmatia

Salve Senator,

As far as I am concerned, there is no animosity between my colleague and me, just additional circumstances that prevent ourselves to go on working on the announced workshops. The objectives are the same ones, and go on standing in my mind.

Towards the pontifex maximus, the hand has been given from January on. Amicability is not at stake, but just the respect of our common Law.

Then you third paragraph is what I have constantly asked since my inaugural speech in the Senate in January.

>I call for the religious Colleges to offer instruction to all >magistrates and interested citizens in the *practical application* >of the religiones Romanae, that the State cult might flourish and be >practiced daily and publicly, for without a heart the State becomes >a corpse, stiff and cold.

Last, I cannot but support your last paragraph.

You have all my support in your efforts, specially during this special Ludi period, which should bring us to gather on our common values.

Vale Senator,


Albucius cos.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> C. Equitius Cato quirites senatores sacerdotes pontifices magistrati omnibusque qui transitis per viam vitae nostram SPD
>
> We are faced with a number of challenges right now in the Respublica: the structure and maintenance of our website; disagreement over the meaning and substance of our law; puzzling questions about our financial status; adversarial relations between magistrates and their colleagues; the drumbeat of animosity based on religious differences, just to name a few.
>
> Yet we seem to miss, at times - perhaps more often than not - what it is we are all here for. Audere est facere - and we *have* dared something here, together. We have dared to believe that there are some crucial elements in our human history that have been lost in the modern world; that we have, in fact, lost some of what it is that has made us human to begin with. We have dared to look back to a time that - while certainly not perfect in very many ways - speaks to us about what we expect from ourselves and each other.
>
> All human cultures have shining moments, moments that even today when we read about them make us pause and take stock of the kind of will and determination that made those moments possible. That human beings, for all their petty jealousies, antagonisms and xenophobias could stand back for a breath of time and leap, triumphant, at a juncture in time and say, "We have done this!" and the world for ages afterward looks back in awe and wonder.
>
> For us, the epitome of those moments is shown in the splendor and vibrancy of Rome, a muddy little hamlet slumped around a festering swamp that rose and, with a shout, went out "to rule the world and make mankind obey."
>
> How do we move ourselves forward from the muddy little hamlet we now reside in and clothe ourselves with new brick and mortar and marble, creating a name worthy of those names borne by our chosen ancestors?
>
> We are all here by our own choice, to fulfill a role that we each believe is made for us; whatever it is about this odd little place that draws us in and makes us willing to bind ourselves to each other and to a common law, a common will, a common purpose, is strong enough to lead us to adopt new personae - our very names - in hopes of growing to fill that role.
>
> The government is the body of the State, the flesh and blood of a willing and eager people joined together in muscle and sinew to move forward with great steps, to lift great weights and move mountains; the religio is its life, its genius, its breath, the force which propels it and gives its existence meaning. The one without the other is a shadow, a puppet, a flimsy husk without either purpose or meaning; neither can live - truly and meaningfully live - unless it has the other.
>
> So I call upon the whole Respublica, the Senate and People of this new Rome, to come together and work - RIGHT NOW - to alleviate the stresses that we are putting on our foundations.
>
> How?
>
> I call upon the College of Augurs to withdraw their decretum officially; then for the entire Senate to offer a public piaculum to assuage any offenses that have been incurred by incorrect actions or rituals.
>
> I call for the consuls to end their animosity and publicly declare their restored amicability before the People and the gods, for without a clear head the State can only stumble.
>
> I call for the pontifex maximus and the consuls to end their feuding and publicly declare their restored amicability before the People and the gods, for without steady breath the body can only gasp and weaken.
>
> I call for the religious Colleges to offer instruction to all magistrates and interested citizens in the *practical application* of the religiones Romanae, that the State cult might flourish and be practiced daily and publicly, for without a heart the State becomes a corpse, stiff and cold.
>
> I call for *all* magistrates to reaffirm their vow to the People of this new Rome, and before the gods of the State, to uphold the law and obey it; for the law may be written by men and imperfect but must be honored not for power and influence but because the gods demand it, for without a path the State can only wander aimlessly.
>
> I call for a new start. We dare. We can do.
>
> Optime valete,
>
> Cato
>

Salve Nero;

Willow Bark is an ancient component in the herbal apothecary's tool
box, particularly that of the White Willow (salix alba IIRC).

I'd suspect the calming effect is from the presence of naturally
occurring salicylic acid as salicylin, which is a component of the
medicine commonly marketed as aspirin.

Black Birch, which is native to North America, also containd
salicylates, in the form of methyl salicylate, aka oil of wintergreen.

Vale - Venator

Salve Dexter;

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 1:26 AM, petronius_dexter wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> [excision]
>
> > Sulla was poking fun by invoking an icon of modern western humor...
>
> We are in Nova Roma.
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
But we are part and parcel of a broader world. For Nova Roma to not
just survive (which is stagnation and death), but to thrive, we must
realize this interconnectedness and tolerate the "intrusions."

I will not, however, equate tolerance with acceptance.

With tolerance, we retain the ability to "sling stones..."

With acceptance, we have agreed to follow the "conductor's baton..."

Vale - Venator

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From: Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Apollinares - CIRCENSES : subscribe !!!
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 1:41 PM


Aeternia Publi Memmio Albucio Quiritibus spd;

Pardon for the interuption..

Consul, where would one find the information for tatics?  Are there certain
guidelines, or can be become quite creative??


Vale,
Aeternia

2010/7/9 Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>

>
>
>
> Quirites !
>
> A chariot race (Circenses) shall be organized in the frame of the Ludi
> Apollinares.
>
> The races will take place on next July 12 and 13.
>
> Subscriptions are accepted at >albucius_aoe@...<albucius_aoe%40hotmail.com><
> until next July 12 10 am Rome time, and *do not forget* sending your:
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> cos. p. praet.
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M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus SPD

As I still see a few incorrect ideas floating around, I will undertake once again to set the record straight. Again, this is not an invitation to discussion with the armchair quarterbacks.

Error 1: The Constitution puts no stipulations on the right of the consuls to call the comitia or the Senate.

Correction: The Constitution puts the Collegium Augurum in sole charge of the Ars Auguria. Magistrates must follow correct procedures and according to the Constitution magistrates cannot dictate augural procedure to the Collegium Augurum.

Error 2: If an error was committed a piaculum should be offered now.

Correction: A piaculum is possible only for "impietas" (unintentional
errors), not for "impietas prudens dolo malo" (intentional errors). Only the Collegium Pontificum can decide which happened, but Albucius was informed many times of his procedural errors prior to his actions, hence it appears to be impietas prudens dolo malo and hence unexpiable. This is clearly the ancient practice, not a modern innovation; there is no question on this point.


Error 3: Pontifex Maximus Piscinus is delaying the call of the Comitia Curiata.

Correction. Since the vitium in the elections was announced even before voting had concluded, the Custodes and Diribitores have correctly declined to participate in the vitium. The Diribitores have been unable to resolve a count of votes by centuriae. The Custodes have been unable to perform the sortitions required for breaking ties as this would involve invoking the Gods to what is vitiated. They are unable to certify any results. An announcement of election results has thus not been made. Since there are as yet no results there is no delay.


Error 4: The College of Augurs should resume the ancient practice of advising the magistrates, who in turn should be directed to take their own auspices. Any magistrate who does not know how should be instructed in the correct procedures.

Correction: The Collegium Augurum is already functioning properly. Albucius refused to be instructed by the Collegium Augurum. As I have mentioned before, it is this refusal that not only led him to commit an act of impietas, but also put him in violation of the Constitution, which puts the Collegium Augurum in charge of the Ars Auguria, exactly according to the historical model.


Thank you all for the opportunity of clearing up these points.

optime valete in cura deorum Romanorum.

C. Maria Caeca GN. Equitio Catoni S. P. D.

Senator, I have read many, many posts over the last 4 years, (many of them yours), and I have agreed or disagreed with them, or enjoyed them, or even been moved by them. But this ..this may well be the best post I have *ever* read here!

I will add nothing, because there is nothing to add, except, Gratias tibi ago.

Most Respectfully,
C. Maria Caeca, Cives

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C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

I would like to extend my best wishes and congratulations to the Cives of Opidum Urbs Nova! May you prosper in your efforts, and may our gods look kindly upon you! Also ...keep in touch, and let us know what you are doing! It is a joy, in the midst of our current difficulties, to see something new spring forth, and not in cyber space, but something physical and tangible!

Bonam Fortunam et benevolentam deorum exopto!

Valete quam Optime,
C. Maria Caeca

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Hi,
Does anyone know how to create an Excel spreadsheet with several boxes, each
with different column widths?
Tiberius Marcius Quadra




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Yes, I do.

What version of Excel are you using?

Please feel free to email me privately and I can walk you through the steps
based on whatever version of Excel you are using.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...>wrote:

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Cato Agricolae sal.

Unfortunately you are still stuck in the wrong place, Agricola.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcus.lucretius" <marcus.lucretius@...> wrote:

> Error 1: The Constitution puts no stipulations on the right of the consuls to call the comitia or the Senate.
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> Correction: The Constitution puts the Collegium Augurum in sole charge of the Ars Auguria. Magistrates must follow correct procedures and according to the Constitution magistrates cannot dictate augural procedure to the Collegium Augurum.

CATO: Please state where in the sentence "To call the Senate, the comitia centuriata, and the comitia populi tributa to order;" you find stipulations outlining the College of Augur's authority to stop a Senate or comitial call.

> Error 4: The College of Augurs should resume the ancient practice of advising the magistrates, who in turn should be directed to take their own auspices. Any magistrate who does not know how should be instructed in the correct procedures.
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> Correction: The Collegium Augurum is already functioning properly.

CATO: the ancient practice did not allow augurs to take the auspices, as they did not possess the authority to do so. Only magistrates and the patricians in the Senate were allowed to do so. The augurs were advisors.

"They [augurs] were not in possession of the auspices themselves, though they understood them better than the magistrates; the lightning and the birds were not sent to them but to the magistrates; they discharged no independent functions either political or ecclesiastical, and are therefore described by Cicero as privati (De Divin. I.40). As the augurs were therefore merely the assistants of the magistrates, they could not take the auspices without the latter, though the magistrates on the contrary could dispense with their assistance, as must frequently have happened in the appointment of a dictator by the consul on military expeditions at a distance from the city...although the augurs could declare that there was some fault in the auspices, yet, on the other hand, they could not, in favour of their office, declare that any unfavourable sign had appeared to them, since it was not to them that the auspices were sent. Thus we are told that the augurs did not possess the spectio, that is, the right of taking the state-auspices."

Vale,

Cato

Dexter Catoni s.p.d.,

> Unfortunately you are still stuck in the wrong place, Agricola.

Agricola augur was not stuck at all. But I note that once again you take citizens for fools. The augur was giving some clarification and instead of to learn with humility you denigrate him, so, as I thought it, your virtuous call to the magistrates in your message "audere est facere" really was a tartufferie.

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VI Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.