Aeternia Caecae sal,

A playful mix of metaphors and imagery that definitely bring alive the
senses. Another wonderful piece by you Caeca, always look forward to seeing
your work.. *snaps kudos*

Brings me to question, I know the Ludi was made in haste this year, will
there be a poetry contest?

Vale,
Aeternia

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:16 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

>
>
> In Praise of Apollo
>
> When you, Glorious One, Beautiful One,
>
> Lay your gleaming hands upon your golden lyre
>
> The music that flows from it, from you,
>
> Teaches birds their rightful songs .
>
> Makes water droplets dance in joyous sparkles .
>
> Strokes the meanest streets with loveliness .
>
> Draws the hues of roses and of lilies
>
> Into trembling, vibrant richness .
>
> Fills the hearts of children with wondering laughter .
>
> Brushes the faces of all men and all women with a shadow of your own
> radiance .
>
> Warms the stone of walls,
>
> Where warm furred cats sleep, and lovers sit together .
>
> Heals the hurts of dark loneliness
>
> Replaces fear with hope,
>
> Restlessness with rest,
>
> Enmity with accord
>
> For with your music, you bestow all living things
>
> With the beneficence of your undying light.
>
> C. Maria Caeca
>
>
>


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>
> A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
> This may not arrive, either, but let¹s try...
>
>
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> Scholastica has tied to send this post to the main list several times, but,
> apparently, Yahoo is conspiring against her, so she asked me to forward it
> from the Newroman group.
>
>
> ATS: Many thanks, Caeca, for forwarding this. The ML logs indicate that
> Yahoo itself has not received my posts, which probably went to Pluto (which I
> still deem a planet...).
>
> I encourage everyone to consider taking one of our free Latin courses; all
> require work, but all are highly beneficial, especially for NR citizens and
> cultores of all varieties.
>
>
>
>
> Valete bene,
> Maria Caeca
>
> Iterum plurimas gratias! Vivat Latinitas!
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: A. Tullia Scholastica
> To: Nova-Roma@... <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogrooups.com>
> Cc: NewRoman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:NewRoman%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:10 PM
> Subject: [newroman] Latin classes
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
> Now, for a little change of pace: our Schola Latina will present a full
> slate of Latin and related classes this coming academic year. We teach
> introductory and intermediate Latin by two different methods using two
> different texts. The courses are as follows:
>
> Traditional method (taught in English, though I can handle some French
> and German):
>
> Grammatica Latina I, beginning September 6th, using the Sixth
> Edition of the popular Wheelock text. This covers Lessons 1-22. After the
> first week, there is weekly written homework and a final examination for
> each semester (the separate first semester covers Lessons 1-11; second,
> Lessons 12-22; those who have successfully completed semester 1 may enter
> semester 2 in January). This traditional method is primarily aimed at
> reading Latin, but will also teach some writing competency. Some oral Latin
> is also included.
>
> Grammatica Latina II, beginning August 30th, again using the
> Wheelock text, with other materials provided by the instructor. This covers
> lessons 23-40 (the end) of the Wheelock grammar lessons, then proceeds to
> selected readings from various Roman authors, both prose and poetry. Some
> spoken Latin is also included.
>
> Assimilation method (all are taught in both English and Spanish):
>
> Sermo Latinus I: beginning September 13th, using the Desessard
> Assimil text, Le Latin Sans Peine. This text is also available in Italian,
> and has been translated into both English and Spanish for the benefit of our
> students. The course covers Lessons 1-56 of the text. Sound files of the
> exercises and other materials are also provided, and students must purchase
> or somehow obtain the tapes or CDs which accompany the text, one version of
> which is available online for those with a fast connection speed. A new
> lesson is presented every three days, and written homework (or a test)
> follows every seventh lesson. There is a midterm after the 28th lesson, and
> a final examination after the 56th one. This method is geared to producing
> fluency in reading, writing, and speaking Latin, and is unique in the world.
> It is best attempted, however, by those with at least some background in
> Latin, however remote in time.
>
> Sermo Latinus II: Also beginning September 13th, and using the same
> materials. This continues Sermo I, and covers Lessons 57-101 of the text.
> This course employs the same schedule as the Sermo I course, but is shorter
> and ends sooner. There is an examination after Lesson 84, and one at the
> end of the course, Lesson 101. Students should have developed an
> intermediate fluency in spoken and written Latin by the end of the course.
>
> Sermo Latinus I & II (combined), with the same start date and text.
> This course combines the introductory and intermediate Assimil method
> courses in a single, intensive course. There is a new lesson every other
> day, and four tests during the course of the academic year. The pace is
> such that many find it difficult, but those with a reasonable competency in
> Latin should be able to manage it.
>
> Latin-related course:
>
> Rudimenta Latina, a short, nine-week course dealing with the
> historical background of Latin throughout the centuries. The text for this
> course is A Natural History of Latin, by Tore Janson. This course will be
> offered at some point during this academic year, but apparently not in the
> Autumn term.
>
> All prospective students should contact me for further information.
> Students in the actual Latin courses must have the text in hand before the
> start date of the courses, and prove this to me. Those intending to take
> Rudimenta may acquire the text somewhat later, but are advised to have it in
> hand by the start date of the course.
>
> As usual, I shall teach both Grammatica courses with the able
> assistance of our Spanish interpreter and our webmaster cum (GL I)
> corrector, as well as handling Sermo II and Sermo Combined. This year our
> new teacher, Canicus, an excellent British Latinist, will be the primary
> teacher for Sermo I and Rudimenta; Avitus and I shall assist him, and I
> shall be his co-teacher on Sermo I. Canicus lives near enough to Avitus
> that he can participate in Avitus¹ Latin conversation group now and again
> (lucky dog!), and is a fine addition to our staff.
>
> Special note: registrations are now being accepted in Grammatica I.
> All Sermo classes have concluded their instructional and examination
> programs (Grammatica II is still in progress; I have to correct their
> exams), but we must wait for the students to pick up their corrected
> examinations and course grades onsite before we can prepare the sites for
> new students.
>
> Valete.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Sullae .sal.,

> Today is the 1st of Av. Not Tisha b'Av.
> Wow, that is a mistake..a huge mistake.

For who?

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. III Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.a

C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,

> A slight correction.
>
> The Tisha b'Av (Ninth of Av), commemorating the destruction of both the First and Second Temples, is not today; it starts at sundown on the 19th of July this year (5770 in the Jewish Calendar).

Commemoration of the destruction of the temple? I suppose that you speak about the temple of Jerusalem not about the temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus.


So the 19th of July, as Roman, do we have to pray to the Manes of Titus, good soldier, and son of the emperor Vespasian who destructed that temple and the town on the year 70? This event is engraved on the marble of the Arch of Titus in Rome.

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. III Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Well since Tish B'Av is a Jewish Holiday a day of mourning. I would think
that it would be obvious.

2010/7/12 petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>

>
>
> Sullae .sal.,
>
>
> > Today is the 1st of Av. Not Tisha b'Av.
> > Wow, that is a mistake..a huge mistake.
>
> For who?
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. III Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.a
>
>
>

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Cato Petronio Dextero sal.

You can pray to Anyone you like, Dexter.

But if you want to do what you suggest on the correct day, yes, you have to wait until the 19th of July, not today as Piscinus mistakenly presented.

And by the way, Titus - by every account we have - did NOT want the Temple (note the capital "T") destroyed at all, and was furious when it was.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
>
> > A slight correction.
> >
> > The Tisha b'Av (Ninth of Av), commemorating the destruction of both the First and Second Temples, is not today; it starts at sundown on the 19th of July this year (5770 in the Jewish Calendar).
>
> Commemoration of the destruction of the temple? I suppose that you speak about the temple of Jerusalem not about the temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus.
>
>
> So the 19th of July, as Roman, do we have to pray to the Manes of Titus, good soldier, and son of the emperor Vespasian who destructed that temple and the town on the year 70? This event is engraved on the marble of the Arch of Titus in Rome.
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. III Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

Cato Dextero sal.

And you know what? It takes a particularly loathsome and mean-spirited - not to mention culturally phenomenally illiterate - person to actually gloat about an historic event which caused such intense emotional anguish to millions of people - and still causes anguish to this day.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
>
> > A slight correction.
> >
> > The Tisha b'Av (Ninth of Av), commemorating the destruction of both the First and Second Temples, is not today; it starts at sundown on the 19th of July this year (5770 in the Jewish Calendar).
>
> Commemoration of the destruction of the temple? I suppose that you speak about the temple of Jerusalem not about the temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus.
>
>
> So the 19th of July, as Roman, do we have to pray to the Manes of Titus, good soldier, and son of the emperor Vespasian who destructed that temple and the town on the year 70? This event is engraved on the marble of the Arch of Titus in Rome.
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. III Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

Just another example of that bridge building Modianus was talking about in
the BA.

Vale,

Sulla

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

>
>
> Cato Dextero sal.
>
> And you know what? It takes a particularly loathsome and mean-spirited -
> not to mention culturally phenomenally illiterate - person to actually gloat
> about an historic event which caused such intense emotional anguish to
> millions of people - and still causes anguish to this day.
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
> >
> > C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
> >
> > > A slight correction.
> > >
> > > The Tisha b'Av (Ninth of Av), commemorating the destruction of both the
> First and Second Temples, is not today; it starts at sundown on the 19th of
> July this year (5770 in the Jewish Calendar).
> >
> > Commemoration of the destruction of the temple? I suppose that you speak
> about the temple of Jerusalem not about the temple of Jupiter Optimus
> Maximus.
> >
> >
> > So the 19th of July, as Roman, do we have to pray to the Manes of Titus,
> good soldier, and son of the emperor Vespasian who destructed that temple
> and the town on the year 70? This event is engraved on the marble of the
> Arch of Titus in Rome.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a. d. III Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >
>
>
>


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What is that supposed to imply?

Modianus

On Jul 12, 2010 11:37 PM, "Robert Woolwine" <robert.woolwine@...>
wrote:

Just another example of that bridge building Modianus was talking about in
the BA.

Vale,

Sulla

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

>
>
> Cato Dextero sal.
>
> And...
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,

> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
> >
> > C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
> >
> > > A slig...

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Cato Sullae sal.

Was that before or after he was done copying our conversations on the BA and sending them to Piscinus?

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Just another example of that bridge building Modianus was talking about in
> the BA.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato Dextero sal.
> >
> > And you know what? It takes a particularly loathsome and mean-spirited -
> > not to mention culturally phenomenally illiterate - person to actually gloat
> > about an historic event which caused such intense emotional anguish to
> > millions of people - and still causes anguish to this day.
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > >
> > > C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
> > >
> > > > A slight correction.
> > > >
> > > > The Tisha b'Av (Ninth of Av), commemorating the destruction of both the
> > First and Second Temples, is not today; it starts at sundown on the 19th of
> > July this year (5770 in the Jewish Calendar).
> > >
> > > Commemoration of the destruction of the temple? I suppose that you speak
> > about the temple of Jerusalem not about the temple of Jupiter Optimus
> > Maximus.
> > >
> > >
> > > So the 19th of July, as Roman, do we have to pray to the Manes of Titus,
> > good soldier, and son of the emperor Vespasian who destructed that temple
> > and the town on the year 70? This event is engraved on the marble of the
> > Arch of Titus in Rome.
> > >
> > > Vale.
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > a. d. III Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit

Dexter isn't on the Back Alley, what are you talking about?

Vale,

Modianus

On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:



Cato Sullae sal.

Was that before or after he was done copying our conversations on the BA and
sending them to Piscinus?

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
wrote:
>
> Just another ex...

> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cato Dextero sal.
> >
...



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Cato Modiano sal.

No, but you were.

"Woe to you, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead mens' bones and all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matt. 23:27

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
>
> Dexter isn't on the Back Alley, what are you talking about?
>
> Vale,
>
> Modianus
>
> On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Cato Sullae sal.
>
> Was that before or after he was done copying our conversations on the BA and
> sending them to Piscinus?
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Just another ex...
>
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cato Dextero sal.
> > >
> ...
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit

What are you accusing me of? Spell it out instead of playing games.

Vale,

Modianus

On Jul 13, 2010 12:28 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:



Cato Modiano sal.

No, but you were.

"Woe to you, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the
outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead mens' bones and
all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but
inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matt. 23:27

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo M...

> On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Cato Sullae sal.
>
> Was that ...

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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Someone has forwarded back alley correspondence to Piscinus who has then
posted it on the CP. I think it is you. I bounced you from the BA until
you prove your innocence. Just like Maior had the chance to prove her
innocence. Until your innocence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt you
have been banned from the BA.

I notified Fabius via phone about my actions.

The entire BA is aware of my actions.

And you stated to me on the phone when we spoke that you felt Metellus
should apologize even though he did not mean a single word of it. I told
you that was wrong, it was lying, and you said you didn't in the face of
political expeidency. Simply put you would lie and publicly deceive if it
meant you would get further ahead. Regardless of the cost to a person's
integrety and character. Thusly I would not be able to take your word if
you said IT WASNT ME. So, if you want to be admitted back to the BA
Piscinus will need to release the emails he received with headers showing it
wasnt you who gave him access to BA correspondence and then I would
apologize absolutely and I would then let Fabius or the other moderators
deal with any suspected Maior type leaks in the BA.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Co-owner of the Back Alley

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
>
> What are you accusing me of? Spell it out instead of playing games.
>
> Vale,
>
> Modianus
>
> On Jul 13, 2010 12:28 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Cato Modiano sal.
>
> No, but you were.
>
> "Woe to you, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the
> outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead mens' bones and
> all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but
> inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matt. 23:27
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo M...
>
> > On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Cato Sullae sal.
> >
> > Was that ...
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> >
>
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Witnessing imperium


I, Marcus Arminius Maior, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness the appointment of Lucia Iulia Aquila as aedilis curulis suffecta of Nova Roma.
As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her office and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Ego, Marcus Arminius Maior, lictor curiata Novae Romae testificor L. Iuliam Aquilam aedilem curulem suffectam Novae Romae creari. Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum ei opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime officio munereque suo fungatur.


M. Arminius Maior

Cato Modiano sal.

You show up suddenly in the Back Alley claiming your desire for peace and understanding and respect and honesty.

You encourage people to talk to you both in the Back Alley and on the phone.

We all begin a long conversation about peace and understanding and respect and honesty.

You tell Sulla on the phone that you think it's OK to lie for political expediency.

Piscinus suddenly lets it slip here that he knows I call him "Fishpond" on the Back Alley.

People's words from the Back Alley suddenly start appearing - word for word - in Piscinus' messages on the College of Pontiffs' List.

You do the math.

As I said on the Back Alley, there are two types of people: those who are essentially honest and those who are not.

Those who are essentially *honest* understand that everyone is different, that everyone says things that you can either agree or disagree with, and their core honesty is fundamentally sound enough that they are willing to listen to anyone, hoping that the other person is also essentially honest. They are willing to talk to pretty much anybody about anything - even those with whom they have had vigorous disagreements - because they trust that the other person is ... well, trustworthy.

Those who are essentially *dishonest* will talk and talk until they find some element around which they can build a facade of honesty, acting as if they understand, empathize, etc. This often involves "putting it all out", giving some hint of their own vulnerabilities in order to appear open and honest. They use these tools to try to move opinions and thoughts in a direction that will benefit them, either by persuasion or by tricking others into saying things that between friends is considered frank discourse but can be tailored in any number of ways, all of which are used to make their victim(s) look bad.

You are essentially dishonest.

Maybe you're going to get some kind of reward - some big showy special hat or office or badge - for your betrayal of the trust placed in you. I hope it is worth it. "Lay not up for yourselves treasures on earth...for where your treasure is there is your heart also."

You can certainly get a lot of book knowledge at Divinity School, but it can't teach you character or moral fiber.

MY thought for the day comes from Matthew regarding hypocrites:

"...therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men... They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the market places... They like to stand on the street corners and pray loudly so that all men can hear them..."

Vale,

Cato

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Iubet bono animo esse

Hodie est ante diem III Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies comitialis est: Ludi Apollini in circo; dies natalis censorii Cn. Equiti Marini.

Felices natalis, Gnae Equiti Marine! Bonam habe Fortunam.

The eight day of the Ludi Apollinares continues with theatrical performances.

AUC 321-322 / 432-431 BCE: The dedication of the Temple of Apollo Medicus in the Campus Martius outside the pomoerium.

"Come, Dii Penates, come Apollo and Neptune and all You Gods, and by Your powers may You mercifully turn aside this ill disease that violently twists, scorches and burns our city with fever." ~ Arnobius Adversus Nationes III 43

"The pestilence that year gave respite from other concerns. A temple was vowed to Apollo for the health of the people. The duumvirs did many things prescribed by the sacred Sibylline books to appease the wrath of the Gods and remove the pestilence from the people. The mortality, notwithstanding, was heavy both in the City and in the country districts; men and beasts alike perished. Owing to the losses amongst the cultivators of the soil, a famine was feared as the result of the pestilence, and agents were dispatched to Etruria and the Pomptine territory and Cumae, and at last even to Sicily, to procure corn." ~ Titus Livius 4.25

Apollo had been known at Rome from a very early period. Already by the Late Regal period, a district in the Campus Martius was known as a templum of Apollo. This fanum was dedicated to Apollo Medicus, who represented Sanctus Soranus of Sorancte, identified with the Etruscan Apulu rather than with Greek Apollo. It was not until the time of Augustus that the solar Apollo of the Greeks as a patron of arts had begun. In the Republican period, Apollo was known solely as a God of medicine:

"Phoebus Apollo, bearer of health, for You we compose our song, and favorably promote Your discoveries. With Your healing arts, You lead life back when it is withdrawn from us and recall us from joining the Manes in Heaven. You who formerly dwelt in the temples of Aegea, Pergamum, and Epidaurum, and who drove off the Python from Your peaceful house at Delphi, sought a temple at Rome to Your glory, by expelling the foul presence of illness. Come to me now as each time You have fondly strengthen me when often You were called, and may You be present in all that is set out in this book." ~ Sammonicus Praefatio Liber Medicinalis

The priests of Soranus held a unique position for they were given Roman citizenship even when their city had not yet gained such a privilege. With their charge came a special rite that they alone could perform. This involved a passage over hotcoals, by barefoot priests, to deliver offerings at the altar of Apollo Soranus.

"Apollo Soranus, Highest of the Gods, Holy Guardian of Mount Soracte, we who are foremost among Your worshippers, for You we set to flame the piled pine-wood, and Your worshippers, piously trusting our faith in You among the fires, press our step across the glowing embers. Grant, Father Almighty, that by our arms we may erase this disgrace. No plunder did I seek, no trophy to win from virgins, or any spoils; my fame shall follow from my feats. But while this dire plague strikes me with illness, inglorious I must return to the cities of our fathers." ~ Virgil Aeneid 11.785-93

The priests of Soranus, or at least one, also held a special privilege in that they bore the secret name by which the patron deity of Rome was invoked. Rome had performed the rite of evocation of Juno Regina Veii, again at Carthage to bring Juno Caeliste (Tanit) to Rome, and apparently at other places as well. rome was therefore careful to safeguard the name of the Goddess who protected Rome. It was recorded that Valerius Soranus made the mistake of leting the name slip in a casual conversation, and paid for his err with his life (Pliny, N.H. III.65-67).

Dedicating any temple was an important act, and an honor of the person so selected, because he was chosen by lot and thus was seen as a person who had received his commision from the Gods.

"The other consul, C. Julius, dedicated the temple of Apollo in his colleague's absence, without waiting to draw lots with him as to who should do it. Quinctius was very angry at this, and after he had disbanded his army and returned to the City, he laid a protest before the senate, but nothing came of it." ~ Titus Livius 4.29


Once vowed, a site had to be selected and sanctified by an augur who "erected" the templum, or sacred precinct. The temple was built usually by a commision of two men, duumviri, of which one would perform the dedication rite, which could only be performed by having one of the pontifices act as a promptor to recite the dedication formula. Only the pontifices could then consecrate the site, which they did by perfoming a special ritual, circling the entire site along with the sacrificial victims. Then every implement for the temple had to dedicated and sanctified. And even the staff had to be dedicated in a ritual to their service to the temple.

"Give your favour, Phoebus, to a new priest who enters your temple. Be gracious, and with songs and lyre, come! When your fingers pluck the chords, and you give voice to song, I pray you may inspire my words into your praises. May your hair be ever flowing, Phoebus; may your sister be forever chaste." ~ Tibullus 2.5.1-4; 122-3


Apollo would be invoked and invited to enter the temple to use as his house whenever he came to visit the City. While His temple served to aid the City against general plagues, and the temples of Apollo Medicus and those of Aesculapis would be home to Greek doctors in one of several medical practices, those of the Hippocratics, His temple also encourgared private practice of families calling upon Him.

"Come, Phoebus, with Your golden hair loosely floating, soothe her torture, restore her fair complexion. Come quickly, we pray, we implore, use Your happy skills, such charms as You never spared before. Grant that her frail fame shall not waste away with consumption, or her eyes grow languid, and her bloom fade. Come now with Your favoring aid." ~ Tibullus 4.4.1 ff.

"Phoebus Tirynthia, I pray, please accept this offering on my behalf. This gift I offer in thanks to You for the good health and strength that I have had." ~ Anthologia Latina 2.1841


Our thought for today is taken from Marcus Aurelius 9.16:

"Not in feeling, but in activity lie the good and evil of the rational social animal, just as his virtue and his vice lie not in passivity, but in activity."

Then someone must have sent you email from the Collegium Pontificum. Someoone who lives in your house?

When Fabius Maximus posts to the BA emails from the Senate that are suppose to be sealed chambers, that you allow?

You discuss Senate business and Collegia business on the Back Alley all the time. Are you so naive to think that no one would inform me? Or about the name-calling, the insuts, the slander, and the out-right lies told on the Back Alley. Not Modianus, obviously, as what I have predates when he subscribed.

Hypocrite

And what have you said there on the Back Alley? That you intend to destroy Nova Roma, that you intend to sue Nova Roma and individual members, that you make complaints to the Atty. General's office to waste the time and money of our magistrates and sap Nova Roma. You plot with others openly on the Back Alley to overthrow our elected magistrates and to depose our sacerdotes. You call it "civil war" and a "coup" against the State as you discuss trying to gain control of Nova Roma bank accounts, our website, and seize our lists. You are an enemy of the Res Publica. An enemy to Nova Roma. Maybe we should just post your emails on the ML for all to see what conspiracies you have been trying to weave. And call for your trial on charges of falsum and laesa patriae.

You ought to be condemned as Sulla Infelix, Infaustum, as you have brought no good to Nova Roma since you returned.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Someone has forwarded back alley correspondence to Piscinus who has then
> posted it on the CP. I think it is you. I bounced you from the BA until
> you prove your innocence. Just like Maior had the chance to prove her
> innocence. Until your innocence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt you
> have been banned from the BA.
>
> I notified Fabius via phone about my actions.
>
> The entire BA is aware of my actions.
>
> And you stated to me on the phone when we spoke that you felt Metellus
> should apologize even though he did not mean a single word of it. I told
> you that was wrong, it was lying, and you said you didn't in the face of
> political expeidency. Simply put you would lie and publicly deceive if it
> meant you would get further ahead. Regardless of the cost to a person's
> integrety and character. Thusly I would not be able to take your word if
> you said IT WASNT ME. So, if you want to be admitted back to the BA
> Piscinus will need to release the emails he received with headers showing it
> wasnt you who gave him access to BA correspondence and then I would
> apologize absolutely and I would then let Fabius or the other moderators
> deal with any suspected Maior type leaks in the BA.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Co-owner of the Back Alley
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:
>
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
> >
> > What are you accusing me of? Spell it out instead of playing games.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> > On Jul 13, 2010 12:28 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Cato Modiano sal.
> >
> > No, but you were.
> >
> > "Woe to you, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the
> > outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead mens' bones and
> > all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but
> > inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matt. 23:27
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo M...
> >
> > > On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cato Sullae sal.
> > >
> > > Was that ...
> >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit

Our conversation was private, second you twist my words. I never said to
lie; rather, that sometimes it is the better to swalllow pride and apologize
even if you would rather not. This is not lying, it is an act of humility.
As I have been stating there is tooo much pride in Nova Roma and people are
not willing to give a little.

I did not forward any posts, as I said I wouldn't. You should have consulted
with me before removing me from the list. It was wrong of you to remove me.
I was enjoying getting to know people, and find your actions disappointing
and unfortunate.

Your actions are exactly what I have been advocating against.

Vale,

Modianus

On Jul 13, 2010 12:41 AM, "Robert Woolwine" <robert.woolwine@...>
wrote:



Someone has forwarded back alley correspondence to Piscinus who has then
posted it on the CP. I think it is you. I bounced you from the BA until
you prove your innocence. Just like Maior had the chance to prove her
innocence. Until your innocence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt you
have been banned from the BA.

I notified Fabius via phone about my actions.

The entire BA is aware of my actions.

And you stated to me on the phone when we spoke that you felt Metellus
should apologize even though he did not mean a single word of it. I told
you that was wrong, it was lying, and you said you didn't in the face of
political expeidency. Simply put you would lie and publicly deceive if it
meant you would get further ahead. Regardless of the cost to a person's
integrety and character. Thusly I would not be able to take your word if
you said IT WASNT ME. So, if you want to be admitted back to the BA
Piscinus will need to release the emails he received with headers showing it
wasnt you who gave him access to BA correspondence and then I would
apologize absolutely and I would then let Fabius or the other moderators
deal with any suspected Maior type leaks in the BA.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Co-owner of the Back Alley

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, David Kling
<tau.athanasios@...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>

>wrote:



> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
>
> What are you accusing me of? Spell it out i...
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links


>
>
>
>

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Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit

Your words are hateful and shall not warrent a lengthy response. You have
crossed the line with me yet again.

I forwarded no messages, and do not deserve this treatment.

Vale,

Modianus

On Jul 13, 2010 4:06 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:



Cato Modiano sal.

You show up suddenly in the Back Alley claiming your desire for peace and
understanding and respect and honesty.

You encourage people to talk to you both in the Back Alley and on the phone.


We all begin a long conversation about peace and understanding and respect
and honesty.

You tell Sulla on the phone that you think it's OK to lie for political
expediency.

Piscinus suddenly lets it slip here that he knows I call him "Fishpond" on
the Back Alley.

People's words from the Back Alley suddenly start appearing - word for word
- in Piscinus' messages on the College of Pontiffs' List.

You do the math.

As I said on the Back Alley, there are two types of people: those who are
essentially honest and those who are not.

Those who are essentially *honest* understand that everyone is different,
that everyone says things that you can either agree or disagree with, and
their core honesty is fundamentally sound enough that they are willing to
listen to anyone, hoping that the other person is also essentially honest.
They are willing to talk to pretty much anybody about anything - even those
with whom they have had vigorous disagreements - because they trust that the
other person is ... well, trustworthy.

Those who are essentially *dishonest* will talk and talk until they find
some element around which they can build a facade of honesty, acting as if
they understand, empathize, etc. This often involves "putting it all out",
giving some hint of their own vulnerabilities in order to appear open and
honest. They use these tools to try to move opinions and thoughts in a
direction that will benefit them, either by persuasion or by tricking others
into saying things that between friends is considered frank discourse but
can be tailored in any number of ways, all of which are used to make their
victim(s) look bad.

You are essentially dishonest.

Maybe you're going to get some kind of reward - some big showy special hat
or office or badge - for your betrayal of the trust placed in you. I hope it
is worth it. "Lay not up for yourselves treasures on earth...for where your
treasure is there is your heart also."

You can certainly get a lot of book knowledge at Divinity School, but it
can't teach you character or moral fiber.

MY thought for the day comes from Matthew regarding hypocrites:

"...therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do
according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. They tie
up heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are
unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. But they do all their deeds
to be noticed by men... They love the place of honor at banquets and the
chief seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the market
places... They like to stand on the street corners and pray loudly so that
all men can hear them..."

Vale,

Cato




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Actually ur wrong. I turned both fabius and annia into aurelianus for doing that! Nice try but epic fail!

And, your email in the cp regarding Cassius. Was to probe your own minion a complete liar that I was the first to invoke maceonationl force of law.

The board of directors have every right yo be aware of macronational involvement.

Again nice try.

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2010, at 2:44 AM, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:

> Then someone must have sent you email from the Collegium Pontificum. Someoone who lives in your house?
>
> When Fabius Maximus posts to the BA emails from the Senate that are suppose to be sealed chambers, that you allow?
>
> You discuss Senate business and Collegia business on the Back Alley all the time. Are you so naive to think that no one would inform me? Or about the name-calling, the insuts, the slander, and the out-right lies told on the Back Alley. Not Modianus, obviously, as what I have predates when he subscribed.
>
> Hypocrite
>
> And what have you said there on the Back Alley? That you intend to destroy Nova Roma, that you intend to sue Nova Roma and individual members, that you make complaints to the Atty. General's office to waste the time and money of our magistrates and sap Nova Roma. You plot with others openly on the Back Alley to overthrow our elected magistrates and to depose our sacerdotes. You call it "civil war" and a "coup" against the State as you discuss trying to gain control of Nova Roma bank accounts, our website, and seize our lists. You are an enemy of the Res Publica. An enemy to Nova Roma. Maybe we should just post your emails on the ML for all to see what conspiracies you have been trying to weave. And call for your trial on charges of falsum and laesa patriae.
>
> You ought to be condemned as Sulla Infelix, Infaustum, as you have brought no good to Nova Roma since you returned.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >
> > Someone has forwarded back alley correspondence to Piscinus who has then
> > posted it on the CP. I think it is you. I bounced you from the BA until
> > you prove your innocence. Just like Maior had the chance to prove her
> > innocence. Until your innocence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt you
> > have been banned from the BA.
> >
> > I notified Fabius via phone about my actions.
> >
> > The entire BA is aware of my actions.
> >
> > And you stated to me on the phone when we spoke that you felt Metellus
> > should apologize even though he did not mean a single word of it. I told
> > you that was wrong, it was lying, and you said you didn't in the face of
> > political expeidency. Simply put you would lie and publicly deceive if it
> > meant you would get further ahead. Regardless of the cost to a person's
> > integrety and character. Thusly I would not be able to take your word if
> > you said IT WASNT ME. So, if you want to be admitted back to the BA
> > Piscinus will need to release the emails he received with headers showing it
> > wasnt you who gave him access to BA correspondence and then I would
> > apologize absolutely and I would then let Fabius or the other moderators
> > deal with any suspected Maior type leaks in the BA.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > Co-owner of the Back Alley
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:
> >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
> > >
> > > What are you accusing me of? Spell it out instead of playing games.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Modianus
> > >
> > > On Jul 13, 2010 12:28 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cato Modiano sal.
> > >
> > > No, but you were.
> > >
> > > "Woe to you, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the
> > > outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead mens' bones and
> > > all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but
> > > inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matt. 23:27
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo M...
> > >
> > > > On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cato Sullae sal.
> > > >
> > > > Was that ...
> > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well considering I am a senator and was ON that list.

Oh Piscinus, now who is the hypocrite..you left our your best buddy, Ilsa of
the she wolf pack....now why would you leave her off? Oh yeah ,because she
supported you. Now see a person with HONOR would turn in both individuals.
And guess what I did? I turned in both. I told Fabius I hated to do it,
but I had no choice but to be consistent.

Of course senate business is discussed by the senators there but it is
primarily because we forward our OWN postings there. Why dont you stop
stooping to using such devious means, and join the BA for yourself and you
can see exactly what we all think about ya. :) And you can try to defend
yourself there. If you have the guts, but I dont think you do.

Ah Piscinus, I have said the same thing I have always said. That lawyers
are our legions. And that NR should be held accountable to any
macronational legal violations. Something YOU yourself said in regards to
Cassius, did you not? In a way, in a direct way, I followed your
precedent. ;) You should be proud, Piscinus that your own actions resonate
so well and are just as appropriate now as they were then! Be proud and own
up to your reputation and all the unforeseen consequences that come of that.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:44 AM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:

>
>
> Then someone must have sent you email from the Collegium Pontificum.
> Someoone who lives in your house?
>
> When Fabius Maximus posts to the BA emails from the Senate that are suppose
> to be sealed chambers, that you allow?
>
> You discuss Senate business and Collegia business on the Back Alley all the
> time. Are you so naive to think that no one would inform me? Or about the
> name-calling, the insuts, the slander, and the out-right lies told on the
> Back Alley. Not Modianus, obviously, as what I have predates when he
> subscribed.
>
> Hypocrite
>
> And what have you said there on the Back Alley? That you intend to destroy
> Nova Roma, that you intend to sue Nova Roma and individual members, that you
> make complaints to the Atty. General's office to waste the time and money of
> our magistrates and sap Nova Roma. You plot with others openly on the Back
> Alley to overthrow our elected magistrates and to depose our sacerdotes. You
> call it "civil war" and a "coup" against the State as you discuss trying to
> gain control of Nova Roma bank accounts, our website, and seize our lists.
> You are an enemy of the Res Publica. An enemy to Nova Roma. Maybe we should
> just post your emails on the ML for all to see what conspiracies you have
> been trying to weave. And call for your trial on charges of falsum and laesa
> patriae.
>
> You ought to be condemned as Sulla Infelix, Infaustum, as you have brought
> no good to Nova Roma since you returned.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >
> > Someone has forwarded back alley correspondence to Piscinus who has then
> > posted it on the CP. I think it is you. I bounced you from the BA until
> > you prove your innocence. Just like Maior had the chance to prove her
> > innocence. Until your innocence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt you
> > have been banned from the BA.
> >
> > I notified Fabius via phone about my actions.
> >
> > The entire BA is aware of my actions.
> >
> > And you stated to me on the phone when we spoke that you felt Metellus
> > should apologize even though he did not mean a single word of it. I told
> > you that was wrong, it was lying, and you said you didn't in the face of
> > political expeidency. Simply put you would lie and publicly deceive if it
> > meant you would get further ahead. Regardless of the cost to a person's
> > integrety and character. Thusly I would not be able to take your word if
> > you said IT WASNT ME. So, if you want to be admitted back to the BA
> > Piscinus will need to release the emails he received with headers showing
> it
> > wasnt you who gave him access to BA correspondence and then I would
> > apologize absolutely and I would then let Fabius or the other moderators
> > deal with any suspected Maior type leaks in the BA.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > Co-owner of the Back Alley
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:
> >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
> > >
> > > What are you accusing me of? Spell it out instead of playing games.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Modianus
> > >
> > > On Jul 13, 2010 12:28 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cato Modiano sal.
> > >
> > > No, but you were.
> > >
> > > "Woe to you, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on
> the
> > > outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead mens' bones
> and
> > > all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but
> > > inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matt. 23:27
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, David
> Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo M...
> > >
> > > > On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cato Sullae sal.
> > > >
> > > > Was that ...
> > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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Oh, Sulla, you want to try that again? Senators on the BA only post their own emails? Look at Cato's post to the BA dated 21 Oct 2009. He included an excerpt from my post to the Senate. And there are many examples of that sort of thing both before and after that date.

You and Cato have accused Modianus of forwarding BA emails to me. That is not true. You have no idea how many people do send me emails, always have sent emails and complaints about you to me. The fact is that you offend people so often that one or another ends up sending me what is posted on the BA. You would have to boot off a large portion of subscribers, and I would still just be informed by the next person you offend.

No, I have no need to waste my time on the BA and all your BS. There is work to do, serious work for the res publica, and all you are interested in are petty little games to disrupt and interfer with the aspirations of every Citizen to see Nova Roma develop towards its goals. You have turned your back on everyone who ever tried to help you, from Marius who defended you in the early days when a nota was placed on you for hacking into the Senate, to Fabius Maximus upon your more recent return. You are no friend to Nova Roma or to any of its Citizens.

Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Well considering I am a senator and was ON that list.
>
> Oh Piscinus, now who is the hypocrite..you left our your best buddy, Ilsa of
> the she wolf pack....now why would you leave her off? Oh yeah ,because she
> supported you. Now see a person with HONOR would turn in both individuals.
> And guess what I did? I turned in both. I told Fabius I hated to do it,
> but I had no choice but to be consistent.
>
> Of course senate business is discussed by the senators there but it is
> primarily because we forward our OWN postings there. Why dont you stop
> stooping to using such devious means, and join the BA for yourself and you
> can see exactly what we all think about ya. :) And you can try to defend
> yourself there. If you have the guts, but I dont think you do.
>
> Ah Piscinus, I have said the same thing I have always said. That lawyers
> are our legions. And that NR should be held accountable to any
> macronational legal violations. Something YOU yourself said in regards to
> Cassius, did you not? In a way, in a direct way, I followed your
> precedent. ;) You should be proud, Piscinus that your own actions resonate
> so well and are just as appropriate now as they were then! Be proud and own
> up to your reputation and all the unforeseen consequences that come of that.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:44 AM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Then someone must have sent you email from the Collegium Pontificum.
> > Someoone who lives in your house?
> >
> > When Fabius Maximus posts to the BA emails from the Senate that are suppose
> > to be sealed chambers, that you allow?
> >
> > You discuss Senate business and Collegia business on the Back Alley all the
> > time. Are you so naive to think that no one would inform me? Or about the
> > name-calling, the insuts, the slander, and the out-right lies told on the
> > Back Alley. Not Modianus, obviously, as what I have predates when he
> > subscribed.
> >
> > Hypocrite
> >
> > And what have you said there on the Back Alley? That you intend to destroy
> > Nova Roma, that you intend to sue Nova Roma and individual members, that you
> > make complaints to the Atty. General's office to waste the time and money of
> > our magistrates and sap Nova Roma. You plot with others openly on the Back
> > Alley to overthrow our elected magistrates and to depose our sacerdotes. You
> > call it "civil war" and a "coup" against the State as you discuss trying to
> > gain control of Nova Roma bank accounts, our website, and seize our lists.
> > You are an enemy of the Res Publica. An enemy to Nova Roma. Maybe we should
> > just post your emails on the ML for all to see what conspiracies you have
> > been trying to weave. And call for your trial on charges of falsum and laesa
> > patriae.
> >
> > You ought to be condemned as Sulla Infelix, Infaustum, as you have brought
> > no good to Nova Roma since you returned.
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone has forwarded back alley correspondence to Piscinus who has then
> > > posted it on the CP. I think it is you. I bounced you from the BA until
> > > you prove your innocence. Just like Maior had the chance to prove her
> > > innocence. Until your innocence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt you
> > > have been banned from the BA.
> > >
> > > I notified Fabius via phone about my actions.
> > >
> > > The entire BA is aware of my actions.
> > >
> > > And you stated to me on the phone when we spoke that you felt Metellus
> > > should apologize even though he did not mean a single word of it. I told
> > > you that was wrong, it was lying, and you said you didn't in the face of
> > > political expeidency. Simply put you would lie and publicly deceive if it
> > > meant you would get further ahead. Regardless of the cost to a person's
> > > integrety and character. Thusly I would not be able to take your word if
> > > you said IT WASNT ME. So, if you want to be admitted back to the BA
> > > Piscinus will need to release the emails he received with headers showing
> > it
> > > wasnt you who gave him access to BA correspondence and then I would
> > > apologize absolutely and I would then let Fabius or the other moderators
> > > deal with any suspected Maior type leaks in the BA.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > Co-owner of the Back Alley
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
> > > >
> > > > What are you accusing me of? Spell it out instead of playing games.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Modianus
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 13, 2010 12:28 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cato Modiano sal.
> > > >
> > > > No, but you were.
> > > >
> > > > "Woe to you, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on
> > the
> > > > outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead mens' bones
> > and
> > > > all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but
> > > > inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matt. 23:27
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, David
> > Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo M...
> > > >
> > > > > On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato Sullae sal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Was that ...
> > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Cato Piscino sal.

Yet the Senate has - at least twice - voted NOT to make the supposed "seal" on the Senate a reality, in spite of your efforts.

Vale,

Cato

Cato Piscino sal.

"No need to waste [your] time"? Yet you use those posts that "everyone" sends you to harm people.

If Modianus didn't do it, you can prove it. So prove it. Or is having a pet rat of your own in the BA more important than your "friendship" with Modianus?

And Piscinus? Stop writing to me privately. I will not be responding.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, Sulla, you want to try that again? Senators on the BA only post their own emails? Look at Cato's post to the BA dated 21 Oct 2009. He included an excerpt from my post to the Senate. And there are many examples of that sort of thing both before and after that date.
>
> You and Cato have accused Modianus of forwarding BA emails to me. That is not true. You have no idea how many people do send me emails, always have sent emails and complaints about you to me. The fact is that you offend people so often that one or another ends up sending me what is posted on the BA. You would have to boot off a large portion of subscribers, and I would still just be informed by the next person you offend.
>
> No, I have no need to waste my time on the BA and all your BS. There is work to do, serious work for the res publica, and all you are interested in are petty little games to disrupt and interfer with the aspirations of every Citizen to see Nova Roma develop towards its goals. You have turned your back on everyone who ever tried to help you, from Marius who defended you in the early days when a nota was placed on you for hacking into the Senate, to Fabius Maximus upon your more recent return. You are no friend to Nova Roma or to any of its Citizens.
>
> Piscinus
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> >
> > Well considering I am a senator and was ON that list.
> >
> > Oh Piscinus, now who is the hypocrite..you left our your best buddy, Ilsa of
> > the she wolf pack....now why would you leave her off? Oh yeah ,because she
> > supported you. Now see a person with HONOR would turn in both individuals.
> > And guess what I did? I turned in both. I told Fabius I hated to do it,
> > but I had no choice but to be consistent.
> >
> > Of course senate business is discussed by the senators there but it is
> > primarily because we forward our OWN postings there. Why dont you stop
> > stooping to using such devious means, and join the BA for yourself and you
> > can see exactly what we all think about ya. :) And you can try to defend
> > yourself there. If you have the guts, but I dont think you do.
> >
> > Ah Piscinus, I have said the same thing I have always said. That lawyers
> > are our legions. And that NR should be held accountable to any
> > macronational legal violations. Something YOU yourself said in regards to
> > Cassius, did you not? In a way, in a direct way, I followed your
> > precedent. ;) You should be proud, Piscinus that your own actions resonate
> > so well and are just as appropriate now as they were then! Be proud and own
> > up to your reputation and all the unforeseen consequences that come of that.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:44 AM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Then someone must have sent you email from the Collegium Pontificum.
> > > Someoone who lives in your house?
> > >
> > > When Fabius Maximus posts to the BA emails from the Senate that are suppose
> > > to be sealed chambers, that you allow?
> > >
> > > You discuss Senate business and Collegia business on the Back Alley all the
> > > time. Are you so naive to think that no one would inform me? Or about the
> > > name-calling, the insuts, the slander, and the out-right lies told on the
> > > Back Alley. Not Modianus, obviously, as what I have predates when he
> > > subscribed.
> > >
> > > Hypocrite
> > >
> > > And what have you said there on the Back Alley? That you intend to destroy
> > > Nova Roma, that you intend to sue Nova Roma and individual members, that you
> > > make complaints to the Atty. General's office to waste the time and money of
> > > our magistrates and sap Nova Roma. You plot with others openly on the Back
> > > Alley to overthrow our elected magistrates and to depose our sacerdotes. You
> > > call it "civil war" and a "coup" against the State as you discuss trying to
> > > gain control of Nova Roma bank accounts, our website, and seize our lists.
> > > You are an enemy of the Res Publica. An enemy to Nova Roma. Maybe we should
> > > just post your emails on the ML for all to see what conspiracies you have
> > > been trying to weave. And call for your trial on charges of falsum and laesa
> > > patriae.
> > >
> > > You ought to be condemned as Sulla Infelix, Infaustum, as you have brought
> > > no good to Nova Roma since you returned.
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> > > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone has forwarded back alley correspondence to Piscinus who has then
> > > > posted it on the CP. I think it is you. I bounced you from the BA until
> > > > you prove your innocence. Just like Maior had the chance to prove her
> > > > innocence. Until your innocence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt you
> > > > have been banned from the BA.
> > > >
> > > > I notified Fabius via phone about my actions.
> > > >
> > > > The entire BA is aware of my actions.
> > > >
> > > > And you stated to me on the phone when we spoke that you felt Metellus
> > > > should apologize even though he did not mean a single word of it. I told
> > > > you that was wrong, it was lying, and you said you didn't in the face of
> > > > political expeidency. Simply put you would lie and publicly deceive if it
> > > > meant you would get further ahead. Regardless of the cost to a person's
> > > > integrety and character. Thusly I would not be able to take your word if
> > > > you said IT WASNT ME. So, if you want to be admitted back to the BA
> > > > Piscinus will need to release the emails he received with headers showing
> > > it
> > > > wasnt you who gave him access to BA correspondence and then I would
> > > > apologize absolutely and I would then let Fabius or the other moderators
> > > > deal with any suspected Maior type leaks in the BA.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > > Co-owner of the Back Alley
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
> > > > >
> > > > > What are you accusing me of? Spell it out instead of playing games.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Modianus
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jul 13, 2010 12:28 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato Modiano sal.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, but you were.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Woe to you, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on
> > > the
> > > > > outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead mens' bones
> > > and
> > > > > all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but
> > > > > inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matt. 23:27
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, David
> > > Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo M...
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cato Sullae sal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Was that ...
> > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Kinda like the guy who has been trolling christian propaganda here for years... Oh wait, that would be you Cato. Talk about a loathsome, mean-spirited culturally illiterate boor. Take your posturing elsewhere.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Dextero sal.
>
> And you know what? It takes a particularly loathsome and mean-spirited - not to mention culturally phenomenally illiterate - person to actually gloat about an historic event which caused such intense emotional anguish to millions of people - and still causes anguish to this day.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> > C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
> >
> > > A slight correction.
> > >
> > > The Tisha b'Av (Ninth of Av), commemorating the destruction of both the First and Second Temples, is not today; it starts at sundown on the 19th of July this year (5770 in the Jewish Calendar).
> >
> > Commemoration of the destruction of the temple? I suppose that you speak about the temple of Jerusalem not about the temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus.
> >
> >
> > So the 19th of July, as Roman, do we have to pray to the Manes of Titus, good soldier, and son of the emperor Vespasian who destructed that temple and the town on the year 70? This event is engraved on the marble of the Arch of Titus in Rome.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a. d. III Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >
>

Cato Agricolae sal.

Perhaps living in Japan for so long has made your English not what it might have been. Look up the word "propaganda", and the Urban Dictionary's definition of "trolling". You use neither word correctly - and you're beginning to sound like Maior.

What's next, Agricola - "us vs. them"? "Throw them out"?

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcus.lucretius" <marcus.lucretius@...> wrote:
>
> Kinda like the guy who has been trolling christian propaganda here for years... Oh wait, that would be you Cato. Talk about a loathsome, mean-spirited culturally illiterate boor. Take your posturing elsewhere.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Dextero sal.
> >
> > And you know what? It takes a particularly loathsome and mean-spirited - not to mention culturally phenomenally illiterate - person to actually gloat about an historic event which caused such intense emotional anguish to millions of people - and still causes anguish to this day.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > >
> > > C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
> > >
> > > > A slight correction.
> > > >
> > > > The Tisha b'Av (Ninth of Av), commemorating the destruction of both the First and Second Temples, is not today; it starts at sundown on the 19th of July this year (5770 in the Jewish Calendar).
> > >
> > > Commemoration of the destruction of the temple? I suppose that you speak about the temple of Jerusalem not about the temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus.
> > >
> > >
> > > So the 19th of July, as Roman, do we have to pray to the Manes of Titus, good soldier, and son of the emperor Vespasian who destructed that temple and the town on the year 70? This event is engraved on the marble of the Arch of Titus in Rome.
> > >
> > > Vale.
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > a. d. III Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > >
> >
>

He is mimmicking Charlie the Unicorn...Shun the non believer....Shun shun
shun...as he scampers off to Candy Mountain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5im0Ssyyus

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

>
>
> Cato Agricolae sal.
>
> Perhaps living in Japan for so long has made your English not what it might
> have been. Look up the word "propaganda", and the Urban Dictionary's
> definition of "trolling". You use neither word correctly - and you're
> beginning to sound like Maior.
>
> What's next, Agricola - "us vs. them"? "Throw them out"?
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "marcus.lucretius" <marcus.lucretius@...> wrote:
> >
> > Kinda like the guy who has been trolling christian propaganda here for
> years... Oh wait, that would be you Cato. Talk about a loathsome,
> mean-spirited culturally illiterate boor. Take your posturing elsewhere.
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "Cato"
> <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cato Dextero sal.
> > >
> > > And you know what? It takes a particularly loathsome and mean-spirited
> - not to mention culturally phenomenally illiterate - person to actually
> gloat about an historic event which caused such intense emotional anguish to
> millions of people - and still causes anguish to this day.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
> > > >
> > > > > A slight correction.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Tisha b'Av (Ninth of Av), commemorating the destruction of both
> the First and Second Temples, is not today; it starts at sundown on the 19th
> of July this year (5770 in the Jewish Calendar).
> > > >
> > > > Commemoration of the destruction of the temple? I suppose that you
> speak about the temple of Jerusalem not about the temple of Jupiter Optimus
> Maximus.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So the 19th of July, as Roman, do we have to pray to the Manes of
> Titus, good soldier, and son of the emperor Vespasian who destructed that
> temple and the town on the year 70? This event is engraved on the marble of
> the Arch of Titus in Rome.
> > > >
> > > > Vale.
> > > >
> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > > a. d. III Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oh yeah Piscinus you have so much work to do...like driving NR to civil
war. Keep on that train and see where it leads.

If I didn't know better you are trying to destroy NR from within. Driving
it to civil war seems to give credence to that train of thought. Because
you met someone who will NOT be intimidated by your shenanigans. So, all I
can say is continue what you are doing. Roll the dice and see if you get
craps or see if you crap out.

Vale,

Sulla

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:48 AM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:

>
>
> Oh, Sulla, you want to try that again? Senators on the BA only post their
> own emails? Look at Cato's post to the BA dated 21 Oct 2009. He included an
> excerpt from my post to the Senate. And there are many examples of that sort
> of thing both before and after that date.
>
> You and Cato have accused Modianus of forwarding BA emails to me. That is
> not true. You have no idea how many people do send me emails, always have
> sent emails and complaints about you to me. The fact is that you offend
> people so often that one or another ends up sending me what is posted on the
> BA. You would have to boot off a large portion of subscribers, and I would
> still just be informed by the next person you offend.
>
> No, I have no need to waste my time on the BA and all your BS. There is
> work to do, serious work for the res publica, and all you are interested in
> are petty little games to disrupt and interfer with the aspirations of every
> Citizen to see Nova Roma develop towards its goals. You have turned your
> back on everyone who ever tried to help you, from Marius who defended you in
> the early days when a nota was placed on you for hacking into the Senate, to
> Fabius Maximus upon your more recent return. You are no friend to Nova Roma
> or to any of its Citizens.
>
> Piscinus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >
> > Well considering I am a senator and was ON that list.
> >
> > Oh Piscinus, now who is the hypocrite..you left our your best buddy, Ilsa
> of
> > the she wolf pack....now why would you leave her off? Oh yeah ,because
> she
> > supported you. Now see a person with HONOR would turn in both
> individuals.
> > And guess what I did? I turned in both. I told Fabius I hated to do it,
> > but I had no choice but to be consistent.
> >
> > Of course senate business is discussed by the senators there but it is
> > primarily because we forward our OWN postings there. Why dont you stop
> > stooping to using such devious means, and join the BA for yourself and
> you
> > can see exactly what we all think about ya. :) And you can try to defend
> > yourself there. If you have the guts, but I dont think you do.
> >
> > Ah Piscinus, I have said the same thing I have always said. That lawyers
> > are our legions. And that NR should be held accountable to any
> > macronational legal violations. Something YOU yourself said in regards to
> > Cassius, did you not? In a way, in a direct way, I followed your
> > precedent. ;) You should be proud, Piscinus that your own actions
> resonate
> > so well and are just as appropriate now as they were then! Be proud and
> own
> > up to your reputation and all the unforeseen consequences that come of
> that.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:44 AM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Then someone must have sent you email from the Collegium Pontificum.
> > > Someoone who lives in your house?
> > >
> > > When Fabius Maximus posts to the BA emails from the Senate that are
> suppose
> > > to be sealed chambers, that you allow?
> > >
> > > You discuss Senate business and Collegia business on the Back Alley all
> the
> > > time. Are you so naive to think that no one would inform me? Or about
> the
> > > name-calling, the insuts, the slander, and the out-right lies told on
> the
> > > Back Alley. Not Modianus, obviously, as what I have predates when he
> > > subscribed.
> > >
> > > Hypocrite
> > >
> > > And what have you said there on the Back Alley? That you intend to
> destroy
> > > Nova Roma, that you intend to sue Nova Roma and individual members,
> that you
> > > make complaints to the Atty. General's office to waste the time and
> money of
> > > our magistrates and sap Nova Roma. You plot with others openly on the
> Back
> > > Alley to overthrow our elected magistrates and to depose our
> sacerdotes. You
> > > call it "civil war" and a "coup" against the State as you discuss
> trying to
> > > gain control of Nova Roma bank accounts, our website, and seize our
> lists.
> > > You are an enemy of the Res Publica. An enemy to Nova Roma. Maybe we
> should
> > > just post your emails on the ML for all to see what conspiracies you
> have
> > > been trying to weave. And call for your trial on charges of falsum and
> laesa
> > > patriae.
> > >
> > > You ought to be condemned as Sulla Infelix, Infaustum, as you have
> brought
> > > no good to Nova Roma since you returned.
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
>
> > > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone has forwarded back alley correspondence to Piscinus who has
> then
> > > > posted it on the CP. I think it is you. I bounced you from the BA
> until
> > > > you prove your innocence. Just like Maior had the chance to prove her
> > > > innocence. Until your innocence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt
> you
> > > > have been banned from the BA.
> > > >
> > > > I notified Fabius via phone about my actions.
> > > >
> > > > The entire BA is aware of my actions.
> > > >
> > > > And you stated to me on the phone when we spoke that you felt
> Metellus
> > > > should apologize even though he did not mean a single word of it. I
> told
> > > > you that was wrong, it was lying, and you said you didn't in the face
> of
> > > > political expeidency. Simply put you would lie and publicly deceive
> if it
> > > > meant you would get further ahead. Regardless of the cost to a
> person's
> > > > integrety and character. Thusly I would not be able to take your word
> if
> > > > you said IT WASNT ME. So, if you want to be admitted back to the BA
> > > > Piscinus will need to release the emails he received with headers
> showing
> > > it
> > > > wasnt you who gave him access to BA correspondence and then I would
> > > > apologize absolutely and I would then let Fabius or the other
> moderators
> > > > deal with any suspected Maior type leaks in the BA.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > > Co-owner of the Back Alley
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
> > > > >
> > > > > What are you accusing me of? Spell it out instead of playing games.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Modianus
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jul 13, 2010 12:28 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato Modiano sal.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, but you were.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Woe to you, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which
> on
> > > the
> > > > > outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead mens'
> bones
> > > and
> > > > > all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men,
> but
> > > > > inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matt. 23:27
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, David
>
> > > Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo M...
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cato Sullae sal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Was that ...
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Omnibus s.d.

Our Ludi Apollinares web page is updated:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Apollinares_of_the_year_-_2763_%28Nova_Roma%29


with the results of the 1/2 Finals run this afternoon !!



Our Finals has just be run: results in one hour !!!




Valete omnes,


Albucius cos.

p. praet.


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Omnibus s.d.



And the winner is.....??? : to know it, consult the page:



http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Circenses_Apollinares_Finals_results_%28Nova_Roma%29





Congratulations to the (surprising?) winner, the honorable courageous finalist, and to you all owners and factiones, for having answered "present" for these Ludi Apollinares circenses, which have a particular place in our Roman history. :-)





Valete sincerely omnes,





Albucius cos.

p. praet.







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Subject: Ludi Apollinares web page 2nd update
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Omnibus s.d.

Our Ludi Apollinares web page is updated:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Apollinares_of_the_year_-_2763_%28Nova_Roma%29


with the results of the 1/2 Finals run this afternoon !!

Our Finals has just be run: results in one hour !!!


Valete omnes,


Albucius cos.
p. praet.




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Quirites s.d.



Instead of harrassing your poor tongue in our Forum, have your pens, pencils and calames working at their turn on the subject below:



"Imagine 542 auc (212 BC) situation in current Nova Roma..."



(cf. page below and Livy for details - shall be: prose, 3 pages maxi, every NR language accepted, texts to '''''Qu. Gualterus''''' <''Praetores@yahoogroups.com''> or at his personal address before next July 23, 00:00 Rome time)



http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Apollinares_of_the_year_-_2763_%28Nova_Roma%29





Valete and good creation all !





Albucius cos.

p. praet.

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Albucius cos. omnibus s.d.



I have the honor to come to you for closing these Ludi Apollinares 2763 auc.



I want to thank here, first, former praetrices Iunia and Hortensia for having prepared the frame of these Games, and, then, the whole Praetorian team, with the support of the aedilitas curulis, which worked hard and quick, in an impossible time range, to organize these Ludi and have them hold their whole place.



Thanks also to the reactivity of our Chariots owners, our Factions, and our new competitors, who allowed the success of the Circenses Apollinares.



Before closing these Games, I want to remind that the subscriptions for two contests are still open : the multi-media one and the literary one. Be a part of it, Quirites !



I now declare hereby closed the Ludi Apollinares 2763 auc.



Vobis gratias et valete Quirites,





Albucius cos.

p. praet.

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Salvete



Veneta! Veneta ! Veneta ! Veneta !



Congratulations!!!



Valete,



Ti, Galerius Paulinus







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Omnibus s.d.

And the winner is.....??? : to know it, consult the page:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Circenses_Apollinares_Finals_results_%28Nova_Roma%29

Congratulations to the (surprising?) winner, the honorable courageous finalist, and to you all owners and factiones, for having answered "present" for these Ludi Apollinares circenses, which have a particular place in our Roman history. :-)

Valete sincerely omnes,

Albucius cos.

p. praet.

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Subject: Ludi Apollinares web page 2nd update
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:03:47 +0200

Omnibus s.d.

Our Ludi Apollinares web page is updated:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Apollinares_of_the_year_-_2763_%28Nova_Roma%29


with the results of the 1/2 Finals run this afternoon !!

Our Finals has just be run: results in one hour !!!


Valete omnes,


Albucius cos.
p. praet.

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Cn. Cornelius Lentulus pontifex Quiritibus s. p. d.


Happy ludi Apollinares to my fellow Citizens!

Apollo,
God of Medication and Healing, God of the Sun, is celebrated during the
ludi Apollonares.

Apollo Medicus! God of the Healing! We need You in our Nova Roman life! Heal our wounds, as a community, heal our diseases, heal our illness! We
want Nova Roma saved from the dissension because we love Nova Roma. Nova Roma lives in our hearts, and
there is no other name, no other Roman republic to which we want to
belong. Take care of Nova Roma, Citizens, let the politics to the
politicians, to the magistrates, and redeem your place where you have
to stand in the gap. Everyone has a job in Nova Roma. Find yours, and
do your best in your place. That's healing Nova Roma. That's doing better.

I
performed the following ceremony and I sacrificed incense and wine to Apollo for healing the sick cives, and healing the wounds of Nova Roma that the parties caused with their partisanship and mutual hatred.

In the name of Nova Roma, I prayed for the following citizens by name:

T. Iulius Sabinus Crassus, son of the Censor, T. Sabinus;
Eq. Iunia Laeca, our former praetrix and curatrix aerarii;
C. Valeria Pulchra, wife of C. Tullius Valerianus, the Latinist.

Please do a similar ceremony in your homes, Quirites, and pray for these sick citizens, and for Nova Roma!



This is the text of the ritual that we made to Apollo Medicus:


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PRAEFATIO - PREFACE TO THE PRAYER


"Iane, Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva, Aesculapi,
vos hoc ture
commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sitis volentes propitii
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
collegio pontificum et augurum,
Equestriae Iuniae Laecae,

T. Iulio T. f. Sabino Crasso,

C. Valeriae Pulchrae, uxori Tullii,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

Ianus, Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva, Aesculapius,
by offering you this incense
I pray good prayers so
that you be benevolent and propitious
to the Quiritian People of Nova Roma,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the college of the pontiffs and the augurs,
to Equestria Iunia Laeca,


to T. Iulius Sabinus Crassus, son of Titus,


to C. Valeria Pulchra, wife of Tullius,
to me, to my household and to my family.



(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)


"Apollo Medice,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sis volens propitius
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
collegio pontificum et augurum,
Equestriae Iuniae Laecae,
T. Iulio T. f. Sabino Crasso,
C. Valeriae Pulchrae, uxori Tullii,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

Apollo Medicus,
by offering you this incense
I pray good prayers so
that you be benevolent and propitious
to
the Quiritian People of Nova Roma,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the college of the pontiffs and the augurs,
to Equestria Iunia Laeca,

to T. Iulius Sabinus Crassus, son of Titus,

to C. Valeria Pulchra, wife of Tullius,
to me, to my household and to my family.


(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)


"Iane, Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva, Aesculapi,
uti vos ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio estote!"

Ianus, Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva, Aesculapius,
as by offering incense
I have prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason
be thou blessed by this wine.


(Libation of wine is made.)


"Apollo Medice,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!"

Apollo Medicus,
as by offering incense
I have prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason
be thou blessed by this wine.

(Libation of milk is made.)


PRECATIO - THE PRAYER


"Apollo Medice,
te precor, quaeso, veneror, obtestor:
uti salutem Rei Publicae Populi Novi
Romani Quiritium
confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
omnibus discordiis, morbis, dissenionibus, malis liberes;
utique morbos visos invisosque averrunces,
utique Equestriam Iuniam Laecam,


T. Iulium T. f. Sabinum Crassum,


C. Valeriam Pulchram, uxorem Tullii,
omnes aegros Novos Romanos
sanes, cures, medearis
ex omni aegritudene;
atque uti huic controversiae
quae nunc inter cives Novos Romanos est
finem imponas!”

Apollo,
we ask and beseech you, we beg and pray you so
that you may confirm, strengthen and increase
the well being of the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
so that you heal the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites
from all discord, illness, dissension and wrongdoing;
so that you may keep away all illnesses visible and invisible;
so that you may heal, cure and recuperate
Equestria Iunia Laeca,


T. Iulius Sabinus Crassus, son of Titus,
C. Valeria Pulchra, wife of Tullius,
and all sick Nova Romans
from all kinds of diseases;
and that
you may put an end to the controversy
that is on going between the Nova Roman citizens.


SACRIFICIUM - THE SACRIFICE


"Harum rerum ergo macte
hoc vino libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitius
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
collegio pontificum et augurum,
Equestriae Iuniae Laecae,

T. Iulio T. f. Sabino Crasso,

C. Valeriae Pulchrae, uxori Tullii,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

For these reasons, thou blessed
by offering this wine,
by offering this incense,
be benevolent and propitious
to the Quiritian People of Nova Roma,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
to the college of the pontiffs and the augurs,
to Equestria Iunia Laeca,


to T. Iulius Sabinus Crassus, son of Titus,


to C. Valeria Pulchra, wife of Tullius,
to me, to my household and to my family.


(Libation of wine is made, and incense is sacrificed.)


PIACULUM - THE EXPIATION OF MISTAKES DURING THE RITUAL

"Iane, Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva, Aesculapi,
Apollo Medice,
Lares, Manes, Penates,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicuit,
hoc vino libando
veniam peto
et vitium meum expio."

Ianus, Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva, Aesculapius,
Apollo Medicus,
Lares, Manes, Penates,
All Gods Immortal, by whichever name:
if something in this ceremony was unpleasant to you,
by this wine
I do apologize
and expiate my mistake.

(Wine is sacrificed.)




Vivat Res Publica nostra prosperrime!





CN. CORNELIVS LENTVLVS
PONTIFEX




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Sullae s.p.d.,

> Well since Tish B'Av is a Jewish Holiday a day of mourning. I would think that it would be obvious.

Not at all. It is not obvious. Jewish holidays are not on my calendar. Do you know the Scientology holydays, for example?

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. III Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Sullae sal.,

> Well considering I am a senator

Said he with his inflated ego...


Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. III Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Salvete, amicae et amici!

In honor of Apollo I offer here one of the handouts that was used in a "Roman Herb" workshop at Aedes Venus Genetrix in Nashville some tme ago:

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10 Basic Natural Essentials everyone should have on hand:

Chamomile
Clove buds (also Clove Oil)
Eucalyptus
Honey
Lavender
Lemon
Mint – Peppermint, Spearmint herbs or Wintergreen Oil
Rosemary
Garlic or Tea Tree Oil
Thyme

Chamomile(Matricaria recutita): Chamomile flowers are rich in compounds, including bisabolol (which calms inflammation and combats bacteria) and apigenin (an antioxidant that shields skin from free radicals and helps the skin repair damaged cells.) In the "Pharmcodynamic Basis of Herbal Medicine" by M.S. Ebadi he states: "Chamomile has been used medicinally since Ancient Rome for its purportive sedative, antispasmodic and antirheumatic effects." Its medicinal usage dates back to antiquity: Hippocrates, Galen, and Asclepius made reference to it.
Roman chamomile, Chamaemelum nobile, comes from the leaves and German chamomile, Matricaria chamomilla, comes from the flowers, is used to treat slow-healing wounds, psoriasis, eczema, diaper rash, chickenpox, and burns from cancer radiation therapy. Both annual herbs belong to the Asteraceae/Compositae family and are similar in physical appearance, chemical properties, and Chamomile oil, at a concentration of 25 mg/mL, demonstrates antibacterial activity against such gram-positive bacteria as Bacillus subtilis, Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus mutans, and Streptococcus salivarius, as well as some fungicidal activity against
Candida albicans.2-4 Whole plant chamomile extract at 10 mg/mL demonstrates a similar effect, completely inhibiting growth of group B Streptococcus in vitro.3 In addition, chamomile extract blocks aggregation of Helicobacter pylori and various strains of Escherichia coli. Several pharmacological actions have been documented for German chamomile, based primarily on in vitro and animal studies. Such actions include antibacterial, antifungal, anti-inflammatory, antispasmodic, anti-ulcer, antiviral, and sedative effects. (study references upon request) Although chamomile is generally safe to use, The U. S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified the oil and extract of both German and Roman chamomile as substances Generally Regarded As Safe (GRAS), if you have some predisposing conditions check with your physican first. If you are allergic to ragweed, do not use chamomile (either type) until you do a skin test to make sure it is ok (which it usually is, in dried form). If you take blood-thinning medication, you might avoid chamomile internally, but ask your physician first. In adults, oral administration for traditional uses are generally as follows: (1) dried flower heads: 2-8g as an infusion three times daily; (2) liquid extract/tincture: 1-6 mL up to three times daily of 1:1 potency; 7-15 mL up to three times daily of 1:5 potency.
Blemishes: This is simple a fix for a small cropping of blemishes – fix a cup of chamomile tea, do not discard the warm teabag but apply it as a poultice to the blemish, use the tea as a face rinse.
Rash: fix a cup of chamomile tea, use the tea bag as a poultice or to apply the tea over the rash area.
Skin irritation and sunburn: Chill a strong tea of chamomile in the refrigerator; apply with a spray bottle to the skin. Also soak in a cool/tepid bath with 1 quart of strong chamomile tea added to the bath water.
Cold Symptoms: Chamomile oil boiled with water, produces steam that when inhaled, alleviates some cold symptoms.
Gingivitis: Use chamomile tea as a mouth rinse after meals.
General Applications: used to treat heartburn and excessive gas caused by anxiety, gingivitis, hemorrhoids, and other forms of inflammation, treats slow-healing wounds, venous leg ulcers, sunburn, acne, psoriasis, eczema, diaper rash, chickenpox, and burns from cancer radiation therapy. Tinctures can be used in the bath to soak (hemorrhoids). In addition it has also been used to treat ulcers, colitis, diverticulosis and indigestion. Chamomile stimulates appetite, is used as a nerve tonic (calming), and aids sleep (insomnia).
Using dried whole chamomile flowers you can make an essential oil or healing oil.


Clove (Lavang Oil/Ayurvedic) Used in dental offices to prepare dental cements, fillings, and to treat dry sockets. Cloves contain eugenol which is the source of its anesthetic and antiseptic properties. Clove oil contains 60 to 90 percent eugenol.
Tea is made with buds and leave of just a few drops of clove oil.
Toothache remedy: dip a cotton swab in clove oil and apply to affected tooth and gum area. Do not use on children under two.
Respiratory: The antispasmodic action of cloves eases coughs and its antihistamine actions helps with relief from hay fever and other airborne allergies.
General Applications: Eases the discomfort of abdominal gas and bloating. Clove tea is widely regarded as being effective in relieving nausea and traveler's diarrhea., The antispasmodic action of cloves when applied topically, relieves muscle spasms, stimulates and strengthens uterine contractions during labor. Treat acne, skin ulcers, sores, and styes with clove infusion made with water. Oranges studded with cloves are used as insect repellents. Said to stimulate the mind.
Using dried whole clove buds you can make an essential oil or healing oil.

Eucalyptus: Analgesic, antiseptic, antispasmodic, decongestant, diuretic, expectorant, antiviral, antifungal, antibacterial. Useful in dogs with respiratory problems. Because of its value I am including Eucalyptus but no one is certain if this was used in Ancient Rome or even in the ancient "civilized" world but it was said to be introduced to the Arab world in the 8th Century. Native to Australia today it is found in the Mediterranean, Morocco and Spain as well. It is often agreed upon that it was introduced to the known world around the 1700's. Eucalyptus has been used traditionally to treat diabetes; studies suggest this use has scientific merit. It is found in Listerine and Vicks Vapo-rub. It is a lifesaver for an asthmatic in an emergency although in some it could trigger asthma symptoms. Loosens Phlegm, kills influenza A and respiratory bacteria.
Colds, flu, relief of congestion, asthma, and respiratory problems: Prepare a hot cup of tea, 1/4 - 1/2 teaspoonful per cup hot water, steep for 15 min. and have the Adult patient to sip slowly, they will not only be inhaling vapors but will also be taking the therapy internally. Infusion (tea) 3 times daily. Tincture (for congestion) 10 - 30 drops daily.
Children over the age of 6 can take cough drops with Eucalyptus but check with your pediatrician or nurse practitioner before ingestion of tea made with leaves and oil. Inhalation therapy: boil Eucalyptus leaves in water, remove from heat and inhale the vapors or add 5 - 10 drops of oil to 2 cups boiling water. You can also put some water in an incense oil burner with a few drops of oil (add a touch of camphor [adults only] and a few drops of Wintergreen also) place it in the room of the person being treated and let them inhale – this is cleaner and better than a humidifier because it must be changed more often and is easier to clean. Do not use eucalyptus as steam, salve, or chest rub to children under age 2 unless you clear if with your physician or nurse practitioner first. Although I do not recommend this for non-medical personnel but if an asthmatic is in distress they may not be able to inhale steam vapor, so burning Eucalyptus in a cigarette or other way and either having the patient inhale the smoke or blowing it in their face may help enough that they will be able to inhale vapor themselves.
Wounds: The liquid from an infusion is a great antiseptic for scrapes and minor cuts. Using oil add 15 - 30 drops 1/2 cup of sesame, almond, or olive oil then apply.
General Applications: Place a drop or two of eucalyptus oil on a cloth and hold it under the nose of an individual who has fainted to revive them. Rich in cineole, an antiseptic that kills bacteria that causes halitosis, diluted tinctures or tea treats bad breath.
Using dried whole eucalyptus leaves you can make an essential oil or healing oil.

Honey: Focusing mainly on Wound Care and its adaptation to today's medicine.
"Unwashed wool supplies very many remediesÂ…..it is appliedÂ….with honey to old
sores. Wounds it heals if dipped in wine or vinegarÂ….yolks of eggsÂ….are taken
for dysentery with the ash of their shells, poppy juice and wine. It is
recommended to bathe the eyes with a decoction of the liver and to apply the
marrow to those that are painful or swollen."
~Pliny
The many attributes of Honey were very well known in the Ancient World, for its preservative value, its healing value, flavor and health properties. Women used honey to soften the skin as facial masks, in lip balm to sweeten one's kiss and a touch may have been added to perfumes or even to skin balms for obvious reasons. A skin softener from beeswax was also used which was made from boiling the beeswax in salt water. Pliny also describes using the broth of white beeswax and salt water to feed to those with dysentery. Honey was also used for food preservation in Ancient Rome and already was being used in embalming in other ancient cultures, although Ancient Roman citizens rarely buried their dead.
Honey suppresses infection in wounds because of its high sugar content however due to its antibacterial components dressings do not have to be changed as often allowing the patients body to heal itself through its own defenses allowing autolytic debridement, re-epithelialization and the subsequent healing. Our ancient ancestors knew this through observation and success. Modern microbiological studies have shown more than one hundred-fold differences In the potency of the antibacterial activity of various types of honey with best results expected when using a honey with a high level of antibacterial activity. Something our ancient ancestors already knew. While discussing differences in honeys, Aristotle (384-322 BC) referred to pale honey as being "good as a salve for sore eyes and wounds." Dioscorides (c.50 AD) wrote that pale yellow honey from Attica was the best: "good for all rotten and hollow ulcers".
Today some still use honey with good results however in clinical settings, and at home, Hydrocolloids are often used to get similar effects without the mess; these are made of cellulose, guar, pectin and gelatin. The antibacterial activity of honey is due to hydrogen peroxide generated primarily by the action of an enzyme that the bees add to the nectar although there are some floral sources that provide additional antibacterial components. Honey is effective against Eschericihia coli and Staphylococcus aureus which are the most common causes of infected wounds. Our body tissues and serum contain catalase, which is a human enzyme that breaks down hydrogen. Catalase does not break down the antibacterial components that come from the nectar. The bee enzyme that produces hydrogen peroxide in honey needs oxygen to be available for the reaction, so care must be taken to aerate wounds under wound dressings or in wound cavities. The same bee enzyme that produces hydrogen peroxide in honey becomes active only when the acidity of honey is neutralized by body fluids. Manuka honey is recommended for modern use as it contains hydrogen peroxide activity as well as the component that comes from the nectar. It is also reportedly more stable in the presence of heat, light and can tolerate less oxygen in the event a closed bandage is needed. Unpasteurized honey, as was used in ancient Rome, should be used because the enzyme in honey that produces hydrogen peroxide is destroyed by heating and exposure to light so it should also be stored in a cool place and protected from light. Honey can be slightly warmed to liquefy it at no more than 37°C. It is interesting to note that in modern studies no case of infection resulting from the use of honey has been reported.
Wound Care using Honey:
1. The amount of honey depends on the amount of fluid exuding from the wound.
2. The various beneficial effects of honey on wound tissues will be reduced or lost if small amounts of honey become diluted by large amounts of fluid. The frequency of dressing changes required will depend on how rapidly the honey is being diluted by fluid.
3. Daily dressing changes are usual however up to three times daily may be needed. If the dressing sticks to the wound this indicates that more frequent changes of dressing are needed. Exudation of fluid should be reduced by the anti-inflammatory action of honey, so less frequent dressing changes may be needed later - a few days between changes – this will give the wound a chance to re-epithelialize and heal using the body's own system.
4. More honey is required on deeper infections, to obtain an effective level of antibacterial activity diffusing deep into the wound tissues. Typically, 20 ml of honey (25 - 30 g, 1 ounce) is used on a 10 cm X 10 cm (4 inch X 4 inch) dressing.
5. Occlusive (waterproof) or absorbent secondary dressings (Hydrocolloids) are needed to prevent honey oozing out from the wound dressing. Occlusive dressings are better in non-infected wounds as they keep more of the honey in contact with the wound – absorbent dressings soak the honey away from the wound
6. Dressing pads impregnated with honey are the most convenient way of applying honey to surface wounds: it is best to spread the honey on the dressing rather than on the wound.
7. Abscesses, cavities and depressions in the wound bed are filled with honey before applying the honey dressing pad, so that the honey is in direct contact with the wound bed.
8. The honey dressings are cut to a size that extends beyond the edges of the wound and any surrounding inflamed area.
There are many more uses for honey, some I use, others, I wouldn't:
Mercurialis (de Arte Gymnast. Amstel. 4to. 1672, pp2, 3):
"A blind soldier named Valerius Apes, having consulted the oracle, was informed that he should mix the blood of a white cock with honey, to make up an ointment to be applied to his eyes, for three consecutive days: he received his sight, and returned public thanks to the gods."
"Julian appeared lost beyond all hope from a spitting of blood. The god ordered him to take from the altar some seeds of the pine, and to mix them with honey, of which mixture he was to eat for three days. He was saved, and came to thank the gods in presence of the people."
I would not put chicken blood on any open wound or body opening in today's world. However if one has a sty I could see how a poultice of pure rose water and honey would help. In antiquity honey had a great reputation in producing clearer vision; this may also be one of the reasons for its reputation of endowing the power of divination – so it improves not only the physical but also the spiritual sight – a meta-magical construct. Pine seeds with honey are nutritious and contain thiamine, vitamin B1, pinoleic acid, magnesium, rich in iron (key component in hemoglobin that oxygen carrying pigment that supplies energy and contains more protein than any other seed/nut in addition to the highest concentration of Oleic acid(the stuff that lowers triglycerides) and have anti-inflammatory and antioxidant action. So Julian surely received some benefit and may have had an iron deficiency anemia-spitting up blood can be a symptom of anemia.
Most of us have heard of Honey and lemon, or Honey and Rum (or another alcoholof choice) including Mulsum – all beneficial and all having origins in ancient times. Oxymel, a mixture of honey, vinegar, salt, and water was not just used in preparing vegetables was also a cure for throat and ear problems. Hydromel (when fermented makes mead) and aqua mulsa, a honey-water, were also used as medicine. A tonic of cinnamon and honey were used to treat cold and sore throats, the antibacterial properties of cinnamon were well known in the Ancient World.
• Hippocrates considered honey a very good expectorant and said of its virtues: "It causes heat, cleans sores and ulcers, softens hard ulcers of the lips, heals carbuncles and running sores." He recommended honey for difficulty in breathing due to its expectorant qualities: "it causes spitting." This has credence in modern treatment.
• Dioscorides in Materia Medica often mentions honey as an excellent medicine. He also praises the medicinal value of wax, propolis and honey-wine. This also has credence in modern treatment.
• Cornelius Celsus in De Medicina stated that a physician must heal in a safe, quick and pleasing manner "tuto, cito et jucunde", which could be best accomplished with honey.
• Galen recommended the mixing of four parts of honey with one part of gall of the sea-tortoise which, when dropped into the eyes, would improve the sight. He also recommended a paste of honey and dead bees for hair growth: "Take Bees dead in combs, and when they are through dry make them into powder, mingle them with the honey in which they died and anoint the parts of the Head that are bald and thin-haired, and you shall see them grow again."
• Marcellus: "The honey pure and neat wherein the Bees are dead, let that drop into the eyes; or honey mixed with the ashes of the heads of Bees, makes the eyes very clear." Today in India they still make a kohl that even children wear to protect and nourish their eyes, it is made of ash, beeswax, a touch of camphor and in some cases a touch of honey (although this is usually ceremonial). It is supposed to make the eyes healthy, it does clear the whites and make the eyes shine. It is also very soothing.
• Pliny also credited honey in which bees have died with the faculty of relieving dullness of sight and hearing. Pliny burned the bees, mixed their ashes with honey and used the substance for all kinds of ailments: "Powdered bees with milk, wine or honey will surely cure dropsy, dissolve gravel and stones, will open all passages of urine and cure the stopping of the bladder. Bees pounded with honey cure griping of the belly." Honey can be soothing to some abdominal pain in small amounts; it can also be a laxative in larger amounts. Clear fluids are better for stones and bladder problems though.
• Celsus prescribed raw honey as a laxative and boiled honey as a cure for diarrhea: "the acrimony is taken away by boyling which wont to move the belly and to diminish the virtue of the food" (Libr. 3 C. 3). Again, it is dependant on amounts and how the individual reacts to the honey.
• Claudius Aelianus (Aelian) believed that honey from Pontus cured epilepsy. I would have to see what else is in that honey, and if perhaps the "seizures" may have been due to a blood glucose imbalance.
• Porphyry believed honey had four excellent qualities: 1) nourishing food 2) a good cleanser 3) healing power 4) pleasant due to its sweetness. I concur.
• Aristoxenus believed anyone who eats honey, spring onions and bread for his daily breakfast will be free from all diseases for life

Lavender: Lavender was used for many reasons, in addition to flavoring foods, purification rituals, insect repellant, scenting the baths, perfumes, and skin care it is antiseptic, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-inflammatory, anti-convulsive, and has anti-depressant properties. It has been used to treat stress, anxiety, exhaustion, irritability, headaches, migraines, insomnia, depression, colds, digestion, flatulence, upset stomach, liver and gallbladder problems, nervousness, loss of appetite, and used as a breath freshener and mouthwash. It was originally known as nardus, sometimes seen translated as spikenard (which is an error) but eventually it was known as Lavandarius, derived from the Latin lavare "to wash", which you may be familiar with by now;) An interesting fact about Lavender is that the oil penetrates the skin so quickly that within as little as five minutes it can be detected in the blood.
For relaxation and sleep, easing symptoms of depression, and reducing headache pain: place lavender flowers into water, bring to a boil or add 2 drops of essential oil to 2 cups of boiling water; take off stove and inhale the steam. Full strength oil can be rubbed into the temple area for headaches and migraines. You can also put some water in an incense oil burner with a few drops of oil place it in the room of the person being treated and let them inhale.
For cuts, scrapes, wounds, burns, bee, wasp, and insect stings, rashes: You can apply a tea made with Lavender, a poultice with the flowers or tea bag and apply to skin. Best to apply as a compress made with a Lavender infusion. You can also apply a drop or two of Lavender undiluted or diluted with equal amount of oil. Do not use on open wounds.
General Applications: Use unsweetened tea as a hair rinse to help reduce hair loss and dandruff; dried flowers for sleep and dream pillows; potpourris, sachets used in closets and drawers to keep clothes fresh and repel moths; few drops of oil or flowers in a cloth bag in warm bath water for relaxation. Stems with the leaves stripped make an excellent incense stick. For a nice massage lotion add 10 drops of oil to an ounce (30 drops) of lotion.
As a Tea: 1 - 2 tsp whole herb per cup of hot water. Steep for 10 - 15 minutes and drink, 1-3 times a day.
As a Tincture (1:4): 20 - 40 drops, 3 times a day
Do Not Use Lavender Oil Internally and avoid contact with eyes or mucous membranes.
Using dried whole lavender flowers you can make an essential oil or healing oil.

Lemon: Lemon is used as a diuretic, antiscorbutic (prevents scurvy), astringent, and febrifuge. Lemon juice is an effective germicide. The lemon has an alkaline effect and despite the high acid content wheit has been digested in the stomach it will alkalinize. Bioflavonoids found in lemons help strengthen the inner lining blood vessels making it beneficial for circulatory disorders, bleeding gums and also helps alleviate varicose veins and stops easy bruising of the skin. Its cleansing and antiseptic actions make it effective in the treatment of arteriosclerosis. The Mediterranean sweet lemon, not the lime, that was used aboard 18th century British sailing ships to prevent scurvy, even though the sailors became known as "limeys". A root decoction is taken as a treatment for fever and gonorrhea. Oil is expressed from lemon seeds. The meningococcus bacteria dies within fifteen minutes when sprayed with lemon oil, the typhoid bacilli takes just an hour, in two hours the Staphylococcus aureus strain, the Pneumococcus bacterial strain will die off within three hours of use after treatment. Diphtheria and Tuberculosis is also killed off by treatment. Lemons also aid the formation and development of leukocytes in the blood, help improve and boost the memory, and actively strengthen nails.
Colic: bark or peel of the fruit infusion
Gingivitis, stomatitis, and inflammation of the tongue: Relieved by ingestion of the sweetened juice.
Daily laxative and preventive of the common cold: Lemon juice in hot water but be watchful as in some cases daily use has been known to erode teeth.
Cold remedy: Lemon juice and honey, or lemon juice with salt or ginger.
Detoxification: Accumulated toxins in the body can be flushed out using lemon juice and water.
Fevers: Mix lemon with boneset tea.
Acne, bug bite/stings, sunburn, athletes foot, ringworm, warts: apply juice undiluted to area.
Disinfectant: Lemon essential oil can be added to a spray bottle of water and sprayed into the air as a deodorizer, neutralizer, and air sterilizer.
Mouthwash: 2 to 4 drops to a 4 oz glass of water and gargle
Respiratory Ailment: Steam inhalation treatment: fill a large bowl or pan with boiling hot water and a few drops of lemon essential oil, inhale. Can also boil a whole crushed lemon in a couple cups of water, remove from heat and inhale. This should not be used in those with asthma.

Mint: Peppermint is often used interchangeably with spearmint but spearmint does not contain menthol and is a milder herb. Both are antiseptic, antispasmodic, carminative, cephalic, emenagogue, insecticide, restorative, pain relievers and stimulant. Peppermint is an effective treatment for indigestion, nausea, sore throats, colds, cramps and gas. Its antibacterial and anti viral qualities make it a useful ingredient in toiletries. In ancient Rome, the poet Ovid mentions it as a symbol of hospitality and mint was strewn on floors and served with food so guests would know that a house had been cleaned and made ready for their visit. Peppermint stimulates the gallbladder to secrete bile which promotes digestion. It relaxes the muscles of the throat and stomach and has a slight anesthetic effect. Peppermint contains menthol that has antibacterial and anti-fungal properties. In ancient Rome Spearmint was believed to stimulate the mind, Pliny said it "reanimates the spirit." it is probably the mint referred to when just "mint" is noted – mint was also used to pay taxes. Banquet tables were rubbed with mint to perfume the air and ensure healthy appetites; guests chewed sprigs of mint to soothe their stomachs and aid digestion. It was used to flavor wines and sauces. It was used as a diuretic and digestive as well as for coughs and colds. Spearmint is known to help alleviate symptoms of asthma, congestion, relieves fever, flatulence, constipation, sinusitis, acne, gum and teeth problems, migraine, stress and depression. Because it has less menthol content, it can be safely given to the children – but not the oil which is concentrated and has a higher menthol content than the herb. Put some bruised leave in a cloth bag and add to the bath for a wonderful experience as they did in ancient Rome. Spearmint is also known to reduce facial hair in post hormonal women. Both peppermint and spearmint can be used interchangeably except in children which should only be given spearmint.
Wintergreen: Infused leaves or whole plant may be taken freely. Wintergreen Oil is not for internal ingestion but 1 to 30 drops in liniments or massage oils is wonderful for external massage that treats arthritis, rheumatism, spasms, muscle cramps, promotes circulation and prevents premature ageing. A few drops in water vaporized into the air is beneficial for congestion and cough. Do not use if you are taking blood thinners and do not use on children. Wintergreen contains methyl salicylate and one teaspoon of Oil of Wintergreen is equivalent to approximately 7000 mg of salicylate or 21.7 adult aspirin tablets, so use the Oil topically just to be safe.
Indigestion, cramps, motion sickness, or gas; 1-2 tsp of dried mint per cup of boiling water, steep 10 minutes, strain and sip. 3X daily.
Sore throat: The analgesic benefit of mint tea will soothe the throat.
Prevent mosquito and other insect bites: Rub exposed skin with mint leafs - it acts as a natural insecticide.
Decongestant, cough suppressant: 1-2 tsp of dried mint per cup of boiling water, steep 10 minutes, strain and sip. 3X daily.

Rosemary: Rosemary (ros marinus, meaning sea dew) - burnt for purification, used as a funerary herb and placed in the hands of the dead. Romans had knowledge of its antiseptic properties and used it in medicines also used to preserve foods. Rosemary water is used for outbreaks of mild acne and also for rashes. Rosemary is also the middle note in perfumery. It was placed in the hands of the dead.
Tea: 1 cup of boiling water per 1 teaspoon of the dried leaves. 3x day. An infusion makes a good facial rinse.
Essential oil of rosemary should be diluted to avoid skin irritation and makes great massage oil. It also makes a good salve, hand cream or facial cleanser. Rosemary oil can be used in burners, potpourri, or in sachets.
Minor cuts and scrapes: press some fresh rosemary leaves into the wound, then wash and bandage – prevents infection.
Decongestant and digestive problems: brew tea as directed – the steam is good as an inhalant.

Garlic or Tea Tree Oil/Cajeput: Garlic is a blood purifier, antioxidant, antibiotic, de-toxifier and smooth muscle relaxant. Adenosine, found in the herb, will lower blood pressure. It will lower cholesterol, relieve rheumatism, prevent blood clots, boost the immune system and protect against heart disease and strokes. Garlic reduces blood glucose also. Dose: 4 g (one to two cloves) of raw garlic per day, one 300-mg dried garlic powder tablet two to three times per day, or 7.2 g of aged garlic extract per day. Infusions: six cloves chopped in 1 cup cool water, steep for six hours. Tincture: soak one cup of crushed cloves in 1 quart of brandy, shake the mixture daily for two weeks then take 1 to 3 tablespoons per day. A dose of penicillin is typically 600,000 to 1.2 million units. The equivalent in garlic is about 6 to 12 cloves – chew 3 cloves at a time two or three times a day for natural antibiotic equivalent to penicillin. Tea tree oil is an antiseptic for burns, cuts and insect bites, relives acne, eczema and fungal infections of the skin. Do not ingest tee tree oil or cajeput, as little as a few teaspoons could be fatal.
Minor skin infections, acne: juice of garlic or tea tree oil applied directly.
Reduce Blood Pressure: 3 – 10 cloves of raw garlic per day or infusion
Mosquito or chigger bites: Ingestion of garlic is a natural repellent, use tincture directly to bites. Tea Tree rubbed on the bites gives instant relief.
Skin abscess: apply tea tree or garlic water infusion directly to prevent/treat infection and reduce inflammation.
Toothache: apply tea tree or cajeput oil in a warm compress to side of face, do not ingest. Garlic tincture may be applied directly to tooth and surrounding gum
Vaginal Yeast infection: place a few drop of tea tree or cajeput on tampon and insert it leaving in place for 24 hours before removing it.
Nail fungus: apply tea tree/cajeput to skin and nails twice a day.

Thyme: Thyme has been used for respiratory ailments for its infection-fighting and cough suppressive qualities. Thyme tea is a cough, cold and hangover remedy. Thyme has antimicrobial properties and a muscle relaxant effect. Do not use oil unless for massage lotions because it is highly toxic.
Cold and flu symptoms and hangover: Infuse up to 2 tsp. dried thyme leaves or 2 tsp. fresh thyme leaves in boiling water, steep for ten minutes; drink 2-3 cups per day. Gargle with infusion to relieve sore throats and tonsillitis.
Muscle pain: put a few drops thyme oil into an ounce of lotion and massage. Add a handful of fresh thyme leaves to a warm bath.
Fresh minor wounds: apply crushed thyme leaves until you can wash and bandage them, after the wound is thoroughly wash apply a few drops of thyme tincture. (NOT oil)
Menstrual pain: only a small amount is needed to relieve, a cup of tea will help. Note: in large amounts it is considered a uterine stimulant so don't overdo, in this case less is more.
Digestive complaints: relaxes the smooth muscle of the GI tract so it is an antispasmodic, there are also studied showing thyme inhibits the growth of Helicobacter pylori, the bacteria that causes GI ulcers, so a cup or two of thyme tea is beneficial. Tincture can be taken ½ to t teaspoon 3X a day.


©Aquila 08Nov2009

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Valete et habete fortunam bonam!

Julia

Salve Lentule,

This is beautiful and wonderful at the same time! I have it saved and will pray for those listed and also add them to the prayer bowl at Aedes Venus Genetrix.

Tibi gratias valeque

L. Julia Aquila
Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis

Salvete omnes!!!!!

Gratulor!

Valete optime!

Julia

Sulla

For years you have tried to discredit me as you have done to others before with your crude jokes, your insults, lies, and slander.

My response has always been to build, to teach, to provide information, and to advise. I help people, while you only insult and tear others down. People know what I am like and what I have done these past years for the religio Romana and for Nova Roma. And they also know what you are like and what you have repeatedly done to Nova Roma.

Is that what you propose now? That a choice be given whether to keep you or me? I will accept that challenge. Let the Senate decide, let any comitia decide. Are you willing to live with the result as I am?

Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Oh yeah Piscinus you have so much work to do...like driving NR to civil
> war. Keep on that train and see where it leads.
>
> If I didn't know better you are trying to destroy NR from within. Driving
> it to civil war seems to give credence to that train of thought. Because
> you met someone who will NOT be intimidated by your shenanigans. So, all I
> can say is continue what you are doing. Roll the dice and see if you get
> craps or see if you crap out.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:48 AM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Oh, Sulla, you want to try that again? Senators on the BA only post their
> > own emails? Look at Cato's post to the BA dated 21 Oct 2009. He included an
> > excerpt from my post to the Senate. And there are many examples of that sort
> > of thing both before and after that date.
> >
> > You and Cato have accused Modianus of forwarding BA emails to me. That is
> > not true. You have no idea how many people do send me emails, always have
> > sent emails and complaints about you to me. The fact is that you offend
> > people so often that one or another ends up sending me what is posted on the
> > BA. You would have to boot off a large portion of subscribers, and I would
> > still just be informed by the next person you offend.
> >
> > No, I have no need to waste my time on the BA and all your BS. There is
> > work to do, serious work for the res publica, and all you are interested in
> > are petty little games to disrupt and interfer with the aspirations of every
> > Citizen to see Nova Roma develop towards its goals. You have turned your
> > back on everyone who ever tried to help you, from Marius who defended you in
> > the early days when a nota was placed on you for hacking into the Senate, to
> > Fabius Maximus upon your more recent return. You are no friend to Nova Roma
> > or to any of its Citizens.
> >
> > Piscinus
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well considering I am a senator and was ON that list.
> > >
> > > Oh Piscinus, now who is the hypocrite..you left our your best buddy, Ilsa
> > of
> > > the she wolf pack....now why would you leave her off? Oh yeah ,because
> > she
> > > supported you. Now see a person with HONOR would turn in both
> > individuals.
> > > And guess what I did? I turned in both. I told Fabius I hated to do it,
> > > but I had no choice but to be consistent.
> > >
> > > Of course senate business is discussed by the senators there but it is
> > > primarily because we forward our OWN postings there. Why dont you stop
> > > stooping to using such devious means, and join the BA for yourself and
> > you
> > > can see exactly what we all think about ya. :) And you can try to defend
> > > yourself there. If you have the guts, but I dont think you do.
> > >
> > > Ah Piscinus, I have said the same thing I have always said. That lawyers
> > > are our legions. And that NR should be held accountable to any
> > > macronational legal violations. Something YOU yourself said in regards to
> > > Cassius, did you not? In a way, in a direct way, I followed your
> > > precedent. ;) You should be proud, Piscinus that your own actions
> > resonate
> > > so well and are just as appropriate now as they were then! Be proud and
> > own
> > > up to your reputation and all the unforeseen consequences that come of
> > that.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:44 AM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Then someone must have sent you email from the Collegium Pontificum.
> > > > Someoone who lives in your house?
> > > >
> > > > When Fabius Maximus posts to the BA emails from the Senate that are
> > suppose
> > > > to be sealed chambers, that you allow?
> > > >
> > > > You discuss Senate business and Collegia business on the Back Alley all
> > the
> > > > time. Are you so naive to think that no one would inform me? Or about
> > the
> > > > name-calling, the insuts, the slander, and the out-right lies told on
> > the
> > > > Back Alley. Not Modianus, obviously, as what I have predates when he
> > > > subscribed.
> > > >
> > > > Hypocrite
> > > >
> > > > And what have you said there on the Back Alley? That you intend to
> > destroy
> > > > Nova Roma, that you intend to sue Nova Roma and individual members,
> > that you
> > > > make complaints to the Atty. General's office to waste the time and
> > money of
> > > > our magistrates and sap Nova Roma. You plot with others openly on the
> > Back
> > > > Alley to overthrow our elected magistrates and to depose our
> > sacerdotes. You
> > > > call it "civil war" and a "coup" against the State as you discuss
> > trying to
> > > > gain control of Nova Roma bank accounts, our website, and seize our
> > lists.
> > > > You are an enemy of the Res Publica. An enemy to Nova Roma. Maybe we
> > should
> > > > just post your emails on the ML for all to see what conspiracies you
> > have
> > > > been trying to weave. And call for your trial on charges of falsum and
> > laesa
> > > > patriae.
> > > >
> > > > You ought to be condemned as Sulla Infelix, Infaustum, as you have
> > brought
> > > > no good to Nova Roma since you returned.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> >
> > > > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone has forwarded back alley correspondence to Piscinus who has
> > then
> > > > > posted it on the CP. I think it is you. I bounced you from the BA
> > until
> > > > > you prove your innocence. Just like Maior had the chance to prove her
> > > > > innocence. Until your innocence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt
> > you
> > > > > have been banned from the BA.
> > > > >
> > > > > I notified Fabius via phone about my actions.
> > > > >
> > > > > The entire BA is aware of my actions.
> > > > >
> > > > > And you stated to me on the phone when we spoke that you felt
> > Metellus
> > > > > should apologize even though he did not mean a single word of it. I
> > told
> > > > > you that was wrong, it was lying, and you said you didn't in the face
> > of
> > > > > political expeidency. Simply put you would lie and publicly deceive
> > if it
> > > > > meant you would get further ahead. Regardless of the cost to a
> > person's
> > > > > integrety and character. Thusly I would not be able to take your word
> > if
> > > > > you said IT WASNT ME. So, if you want to be admitted back to the BA
> > > > > Piscinus will need to release the emails he received with headers
> > showing
> > > > it
> > > > > wasnt you who gave him access to BA correspondence and then I would
> > > > > apologize absolutely and I would then let Fabius or the other
> > moderators
> > > > > deal with any suspected Maior type leaks in the BA.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > > > Co-owner of the Back Alley
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are you accusing me of? Spell it out instead of playing games.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Modianus
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jul 13, 2010 12:28 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cato Modiano sal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, but you were.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Woe to you, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead mens'
> > bones
> > > > and
> > > > > > all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men,
> > but
> > > > > > inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matt. 23:27
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cato
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, David
> >
> > > > Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo M...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cato Sullae sal.
> > > > > > >
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Oh, well, at least my chariot made it to the finals!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy or Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
To: "Nova-Roma" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:02 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] FINALS CIRC. !



Salvete



Veneta! Veneta ! Veneta ! Veneta !



Congratulations!!!



Valete,



Ti, Galerius Paulinus


From: albucius_aoe@...
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:57:51 +0200
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Apollinares 3rd update : FINALS CIRC. !







Omnibus s.d.

And the winner is.....??? : to know it, consult the page:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Circenses_Apollinares_Finals_results_%28Nova_Roma%29

Congratulations to the (surprising?) winner, the honorable courageous
finalist, and to you all owners and factiones, for having answered "present"
for these Ludi Apollinares circenses, which have a particular place in our
Roman history. :-)

Valete sincerely omnes,

Albucius cos.

p. praet.

From: albucius_aoe@...
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
CC: maximavaleriamessallina@...; syrenslullaby@...;
ugo.coppola@...; livia.plauta@...; cocceius.spinula@...;
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dis_pensible@...
Subject: Ludi Apollinares web page 2nd update
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:03:47 +0200

Omnibus s.d.

Our Ludi Apollinares web page is updated:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Apollinares_of_the_year_-_2763_%28Nova_Roma%29


with the results of the 1/2 Finals run this afternoon !!

Our Finals has just be run: results in one hour !!!


Valete omnes,


Albucius cos.
p. praet.

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Yahoo! Groups Links

Oh Dexy, when you post I almost am disappointed when you don't break into
song...about:

Poor ole Johnny Ray.....

Come on everyone..you know that tune!

Come on Eileen...

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:15 PM, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>wrote:

>
>
> Sullae sal.,
>
>
> > Well considering I am a senator
>
> Said he with his inflated ego...
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. III Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
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I think you are confusing me with yourself! Which is rather amusing in and
of itself!

Vale,

Sulla

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:39 PM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:

>
>
> Sulla
>
> For years you have tried to discredit me as you have done to others before
> with your crude jokes, your insults, lies, and slander.
>
> My response has always been to build, to teach, to provide information, and
> to advise. I help people, while you only insult and tear others down. People
> know what I am like and what I have done these past years for the religio
> Romana and for Nova Roma. And they also know what you are like and what you
> have repeatedly done to Nova Roma.
>
> Is that what you propose now? That a choice be given whether to keep you or
> me? I will accept that challenge. Let the Senate decide, let any comitia
> decide. Are you willing to live with the result as I am?
>
>
> Piscinus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >
> > Oh yeah Piscinus you have so much work to do...like driving NR to civil
> > war. Keep on that train and see where it leads.
> >
> > If I didn't know better you are trying to destroy NR from within. Driving
> > it to civil war seems to give credence to that train of thought. Because
> > you met someone who will NOT be intimidated by your shenanigans. So, all
> I
> > can say is continue what you are doing. Roll the dice and see if you get
> > craps or see if you crap out.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:48 AM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh, Sulla, you want to try that again? Senators on the BA only post
> their
> > > own emails? Look at Cato's post to the BA dated 21 Oct 2009. He
> included an
> > > excerpt from my post to the Senate. And there are many examples of that
> sort
> > > of thing both before and after that date.
> > >
> > > You and Cato have accused Modianus of forwarding BA emails to me. That
> is
> > > not true. You have no idea how many people do send me emails, always
> have
> > > sent emails and complaints about you to me. The fact is that you offend
> > > people so often that one or another ends up sending me what is posted
> on the
> > > BA. You would have to boot off a large portion of subscribers, and I
> would
> > > still just be informed by the next person you offend.
> > >
> > > No, I have no need to waste my time on the BA and all your BS. There is
> > > work to do, serious work for the res publica, and all you are
> interested in
> > > are petty little games to disrupt and interfer with the aspirations of
> every
> > > Citizen to see Nova Roma develop towards its goals. You have turned
> your
> > > back on everyone who ever tried to help you, from Marius who defended
> you in
> > > the early days when a nota was placed on you for hacking into the
> Senate, to
> > > Fabius Maximus upon your more recent return. You are no friend to Nova
> Roma
> > > or to any of its Citizens.
> > >
> > > Piscinus
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> > > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well considering I am a senator and was ON that list.
> > > >
> > > > Oh Piscinus, now who is the hypocrite..you left our your best buddy,
> Ilsa
> > > of
> > > > the she wolf pack....now why would you leave her off? Oh yeah
> ,because
> > > she
> > > > supported you. Now see a person with HONOR would turn in both
> > > individuals.
> > > > And guess what I did? I turned in both. I told Fabius I hated to do
> it,
> > > > but I had no choice but to be consistent.
> > > >
> > > > Of course senate business is discussed by the senators there but it
> is
> > > > primarily because we forward our OWN postings there. Why dont you
> stop
> > > > stooping to using such devious means, and join the BA for yourself
> and
> > > you
> > > > can see exactly what we all think about ya. :) And you can try to
> defend
> > > > yourself there. If you have the guts, but I dont think you do.
> > > >
> > > > Ah Piscinus, I have said the same thing I have always said. That
> lawyers
> > > > are our legions. And that NR should be held accountable to any
> > > > macronational legal violations. Something YOU yourself said in
> regards to
> > > > Cassius, did you not? In a way, in a direct way, I followed your
> > > > precedent. ;) You should be proud, Piscinus that your own actions
> > > resonate
> > > > so well and are just as appropriate now as they were then! Be proud
> and
> > > own
> > > > up to your reputation and all the unforeseen consequences that come
> of
> > > that.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:44 AM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Then someone must have sent you email from the Collegium
> Pontificum.
> > > > > Someoone who lives in your house?
> > > > >
> > > > > When Fabius Maximus posts to the BA emails from the Senate that are
> > > suppose
> > > > > to be sealed chambers, that you allow?
> > > > >
> > > > > You discuss Senate business and Collegia business on the Back Alley
> all
> > > the
> > > > > time. Are you so naive to think that no one would inform me? Or
> about
> > > the
> > > > > name-calling, the insuts, the slander, and the out-right lies told
> on
> > > the
> > > > > Back Alley. Not Modianus, obviously, as what I have predates when
> he
> > > > > subscribed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hypocrite
> > > > >
> > > > > And what have you said there on the Back Alley? That you intend to
> > > destroy
> > > > > Nova Roma, that you intend to sue Nova Roma and individual members,
> > > that you
> > > > > make complaints to the Atty. General's office to waste the time and
> > > money of
> > > > > our magistrates and sap Nova Roma. You plot with others openly on
> the
> > > Back
> > > > > Alley to overthrow our elected magistrates and to depose our
> > > sacerdotes. You
> > > > > call it "civil war" and a "coup" against the State as you discuss
> > > trying to
> > > > > gain control of Nova Roma bank accounts, our website, and seize our
> > > lists.
> > > > > You are an enemy of the Res Publica. An enemy to Nova Roma. Maybe
> we
> > > should
> > > > > just post your emails on the ML for all to see what conspiracies
> you
> > > have
> > > > > been trying to weave. And call for your trial on charges of falsum
> and
> > > laesa
> > > > > patriae.
> > > > >
> > > > > You ought to be condemned as Sulla Infelix, Infaustum, as you have
> > > brought
> > > > > no good to Nova Roma since you returned.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
>
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> > >
> > > > > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Someone has forwarded back alley correspondence to Piscinus who
> has
> > > then
> > > > > > posted it on the CP. I think it is you. I bounced you from the BA
> > > until
> > > > > > you prove your innocence. Just like Maior had the chance to prove
> her
> > > > > > innocence. Until your innocence is proven beyond a reasonable
> doubt
> > > you
> > > > > > have been banned from the BA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I notified Fabius via phone about my actions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The entire BA is aware of my actions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And you stated to me on the phone when we spoke that you felt
> > > Metellus
> > > > > > should apologize even though he did not mean a single word of it.
> I
> > > told
> > > > > > you that was wrong, it was lying, and you said you didn't in the
> face
> > > of
> > > > > > political expeidency. Simply put you would lie and publicly
> deceive
> > > if it
> > > > > > meant you would get further ahead. Regardless of the cost to a
> > > person's
> > > > > > integrety and character. Thusly I would not be able to take your
> word
> > > if
> > > > > > you said IT WASNT ME. So, if you want to be admitted back to the
> BA
> > > > > > Piscinus will need to release the emails he received with headers
> > > showing
> > > > > it
> > > > > > wasnt you who gave him access to BA correspondence and then I
> would
> > > > > > apologize absolutely and I would then let Fabius or the other
> > > moderators
> > > > > > deal with any suspected Maior type leaks in the BA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > > > > Co-owner of the Back Alley
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@
> >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What are you accusing me of? Spell it out instead of playing
> games.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Modianus
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jul 13, 2010 12:28 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cato Modiano sal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, but you were.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Woe to you, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs
> which
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead
> mens'
> > > bones
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to
> men,
> > > but
> > > > > > > inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matt.
> 23:27
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cato
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
>
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>, David
> > >
> > > > > Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo M...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cato Sullae sal.
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Salvete,

On October 9th, the 7th "Tag der Archäologie" will take place in and around Mannheim, Baden-Württemberg, Germania and there are several excurions to Roman villas/museums and also current archeological digs in the area. I'm wondering if any one else from NR will go? By the way, the website is: http://www.foerderkreis-archaeologie.de/ and the 3 itineraries are listed after clicking on 'Tagungs-Flyer' under that article. I will be moving there in September and it will be nice to meet up with others and see a current dig.

Valete,
D. Claudius Aquilius

Ex Officio Consulis Caesonis Fabii Buteonis Quintiliani

Edictum Consulare CFBQ XXIII on the possibility to use Cent. XIV to
solve the present situation

I. Cent. XIV was chosen under my auspices, I therefor ask the
Collegium Augurum if it would be possible to solve the present
situation which is bad for the Res Publica and for the Pax Deorum by
doing the following.

II. I hereby ask the Collegium Augurum to consider if it would be
possible to take auspices to determine if use of Cent. XIV as Centuria
Praerogativa for the latest meeting of the Comitia Centuriata would be
accceptable?

III. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.


Given this 14th of July, in the year of the Consulship of P. Memmius
Albucius and the Second Consulship of K.Fabius Buteo Quintilianus,
2763 AUC.

*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul Iterum
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae

C. Petronius Cn. Lentulo suo s.p.d.,

A very beautiful prayer to Apollo and good standing with formular tradition.

May I say 2 things:

1) Why did you pray Apollo Medicus about the ML disputs? I think this god not being the good to resolve that problem.
Your prayer is very touching, and I think efficient, when you pray him about the 3 individual for a better health.
But, in my opinion, Apollo Medicus is not the good god to obtain a peaceful ML. But why not?

2) Why did you not close your prayer with the goddess Vesta openly named? As tradition wanted, if i am not wrong, prayer begins with Janus, closes with Vesta.

So, your text as usual was super!

Bravo.

Optime vale pontifex.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
pridie Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
National Day in France

Juliae sal.,

> Gratulor!

Once again the Blues won!

Euge! Veneti iterum Vicerunt!

Salve.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
pridie Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
National Day in France

SALVE ET SALVETE!
 
Thank you including my son in prayers.
 
Now he is back home and safe. One must pay attention using very cold beverages and too much ice cream during the hot weather. I didn’t know until now that is possible as the excessive usage of these can result in surgery. My son was fortunate, the penicillin treatment had very good results and the surgery was avoided. I was really scared.
 
Congratulations to the ludi organizers for their fine dedication.
 
VALE,
T. Iulius Sabinus

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:



 




Apollo Medicus! God of the Healing! We need You in our Nova Roman life! Heal our wounds, as a community, heal our diseases, heal our illness! We want Nova Roma saved from the dissension because we love Nova Roma. Nova Roma lives in our hearts, and there is no other name, no other Roman republic to which we want to belong. Take care of Nova Roma, Citizens, let the politics to the
politicians, to the magistrates, and redeem your place where you have
to stand in the gap. Everyone has a job in Nova Roma. Find yours, and
do your best in your place. That's healing Nova Roma. That's doing better.

I performed the following ceremony and I sacrificed incense and wine to Apollo for healing the sick cives, and healing the wounds of Nova Roma that the parties caused with their partisanship and mutual hatred.

In the name of Nova Roma, I prayed for the following citizens by name:

T. Iulius Sabinus Crassus, son of the Censor, T. Sabinus;
Eq. Iunia Laeca, our former praetrix and curatrix aerarii;
C. Valeria Pulchra, wife of C. Tullius Valerianus, the Latinist.






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Liviae sal.,

> Oh, well, at least my chariot made it to the finals!

It is a good step for the future.
Bravo!

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
pridie Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
National Day in France

Sullae sal.,

> Oh Dexy,

Oh, my name in US language... bit by bit we will become close friends.

> when you post I almost am disappointed when you don't break into
> song...about:>
> Poor ole Johnny Ray.....

Do not be disappointed, I do not know your classics...

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
pridie Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
National Day in France

Oh!

Well we must fix that right now! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc-P8oDuS0Q

Come on Eileen by Dexy's Midnight Runners (also written Dexys Midnight
Runners) is a seminal song of the 80s that has lasted over 20 years since
its 1982 release. It is particularly popular in pubs and as a cover version
for live bands since it allows the audience to sing along. Unfortunately,
the lyrics to Come on Eileen can be hard to make out. In many situations you
will often hear the chorus sung by an audience as:
Come on Eileen
Swear [La La] means
[La La La] mean everything
Pretty white dress
[La La La La] ...ess
[La La La La]
Come on Elieen

*Compare this to the real chorus:*

Come on Eileen, well I swear (what he means)
At this moment, you mean everything
With you in that dress my thoughts I confess
Verge on dirty
Ah come on Eileen

The verses are also a little difficult to understand mainly due to the
backing vocals frequently singing over the top of the lead singers words.
Sometimes these backing vocals are repeating parts of the verse, at other
times they are adding in words. Furthermore, some words are barely audible
while others in the middle of the line tend to be stretched out - giving the
impression that it is either the last word in a line or the start of
another, when in fact it is in the middle.

This vocal structure gives the song is characteristic sound, and makes it a
lot of fun to sing along. You don't really need to know the lyrics, just
throw in the occasional 'Come On Eileen', 'Everything', 'Torra loora rye
aye' and '..ess'. If you want a crack at the lyrics, here they are:

*Come on Eileen
Dexy's Midnight Runners (Dexys Midnight Runners)*

Poor old Johnny Ray
Sounded sad upon the radio
He moved a million hearts in mono
Our mothers cried and sang along and who'd blame them
Now you're grown, so grown, now I must say more than ever
Go toora loora toora loo rye aye
And we can sing just like our fathers

Come on Eileen, well I swear (what he means)
At this moment, you mean everything
With you in that dress my thoughts I confess
Verge on dirty
Ah come on Eileen

These people round here wear beaten down eyes
Sunk in smoke dried faces
They're so resigned to what their fate is
But not us, no not us
We are far too young and clever
Eileen I'll sing this tune forever

Come on Eileen well I swear (what he means)
Ah come on, let's take off everything
That pretty red dress Eileen (tell him yes)
Ah come on Eileen

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 10:22 PM, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>wrote:

>
>
> Sullae sal.,
>
> > Oh Dexy,
>
> Oh, my name in US language... bit by bit we will become close friends.
>
>
> > when you post I almost am disappointed when you don't break into
> > song...about:>
> > Poor ole Johnny Ray.....
>
> Do not be disappointed, I do not know your classics...
>
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> pridie Idus Quintiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> National Day in France
>
>
>


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Fl. Galerius Aurelianus s.p.d.

Perhaps the cultores deorum, sacerdotes, augures, and pontifices should just leave NR and establish an organization based solely on the reconstruction and practice of the sacra and religio. Or assisting in preservation of sacred archaeological sites or work with other organizations that are solely to voted to reconstructed religions without all the useless offices that are quite historical and totally without effectiveness.

Let's leave all the mock jurisprudence, indecipherable leges, and other ca-ca behind so that NR can slowly go on their merry way.

It would be interesting to see what NR would be in a year or so.

Ah well, that is a lovely fantasy of mine.

Valete.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
> Then someone must have sent you email from the Collegium Pontificum. Someoone who lives in your house?
>
> When Fabius Maximus posts to the BA emails from the Senate that are suppose to be sealed chambers, that you allow?
>
> You discuss Senate business and Collegia business on the Back Alley all the time. Are you so naive to think that no one would inform me? Or about the name-calling, the insuts, the slander, and the out-right lies told on the Back Alley. Not Modianus, obviously, as what I have predates when he subscribed.
>
> Hypocrite
>
> And what have you said there on the Back Alley? That you intend to destroy Nova Roma, that you intend to sue Nova Roma and individual members, that you make complaints to the Atty. General's office to waste the time and money of our magistrates and sap Nova Roma. You plot with others openly on the Back Alley to overthrow our elected magistrates and to depose our sacerdotes. You call it "civil war" and a "coup" against the State as you discuss trying to gain control of Nova Roma bank accounts, our website, and seize our lists. You are an enemy of the Res Publica. An enemy to Nova Roma. Maybe we should just post your emails on the ML for all to see what conspiracies you have been trying to weave. And call for your trial on charges of falsum and laesa patriae.
>
> You ought to be condemned as Sulla Infelix, Infaustum, as you have brought no good to Nova Roma since you returned.
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> >
> > Someone has forwarded back alley correspondence to Piscinus who has then
> > posted it on the CP. I think it is you. I bounced you from the BA until
> > you prove your innocence. Just like Maior had the chance to prove her
> > innocence. Until your innocence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt you
> > have been banned from the BA.
> >
> > I notified Fabius via phone about my actions.
> >
> > The entire BA is aware of my actions.
> >
> > And you stated to me on the phone when we spoke that you felt Metellus
> > should apologize even though he did not mean a single word of it. I told
> > you that was wrong, it was lying, and you said you didn't in the face of
> > political expeidency. Simply put you would lie and publicly deceive if it
> > meant you would get further ahead. Regardless of the cost to a person's
> > integrety and character. Thusly I would not be able to take your word if
> > you said IT WASNT ME. So, if you want to be admitted back to the BA
> > Piscinus will need to release the emails he received with headers showing it
> > wasnt you who gave him access to BA correspondence and then I would
> > apologize absolutely and I would then let Fabius or the other moderators
> > deal with any suspected Maior type leaks in the BA.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > Co-owner of the Back Alley
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@>wrote:
> >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
> > >
> > > What are you accusing me of? Spell it out instead of playing games.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Modianus
> > >
> > > On Jul 13, 2010 12:28 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cato Modiano sal.
> > >
> > > No, but you were.
> > >
> > > "Woe to you, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the
> > > outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead mens' bones and
> > > all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but
> > > inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matt. 23:27
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo M...
> > >
> > > > On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cato Sullae sal.
> > > >
> > > > Was that ...
> > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

V Rutilia Enodiaria Fl. Galerio Aureliano spd

Wouldn't it be more fun to just lock Sulla & Piscinus in a small room and not come back until all that's left is hair & eyeballs?

Vale,
Enodia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick O" <brotherpaganus@...> wrote:
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus s.p.d.
>
> Perhaps the cultores deorum, sacerdotes, augures, and pontifices should just leave NR and establish an organization based solely on the reconstruction and practice of the sacra and religio. Or assisting in preservation of sacred archaeological sites or work with other organizations that are solely to voted to reconstructed religions without all the useless offices that are quite historical and totally without effectiveness.
>
> Let's leave all the mock jurisprudence, indecipherable leges, and other ca-ca behind so that NR can slowly go on their merry way.
>
> It would be interesting to see what NR would be in a year or so.
>
> Ah well, that is a lovely fantasy of mine.
>
> Valete.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> >
> > Then someone must have sent you email from the Collegium Pontificum. Someoone who lives in your house?
> >
> > When Fabius Maximus posts to the BA emails from the Senate that are suppose to be sealed chambers, that you allow?
> >
> > You discuss Senate business and Collegia business on the Back Alley all the time. Are you so naive to think that no one would inform me? Or about the name-calling, the insuts, the slander, and the out-right lies told on the Back Alley. Not Modianus, obviously, as what I have predates when he subscribed.
> >
> > Hypocrite
> >
> > And what have you said there on the Back Alley? That you intend to destroy Nova Roma, that you intend to sue Nova Roma and individual members, that you make complaints to the Atty. General's office to waste the time and money of our magistrates and sap Nova Roma. You plot with others openly on the Back Alley to overthrow our elected magistrates and to depose our sacerdotes. You call it "civil war" and a "coup" against the State as you discuss trying to gain control of Nova Roma bank accounts, our website, and seize our lists. You are an enemy of the Res Publica. An enemy to Nova Roma. Maybe we should just post your emails on the ML for all to see what conspiracies you have been trying to weave. And call for your trial on charges of falsum and laesa patriae.
> >
> > You ought to be condemned as Sulla Infelix, Infaustum, as you have brought no good to Nova Roma since you returned.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone has forwarded back alley correspondence to Piscinus who has then
> > > posted it on the CP. I think it is you. I bounced you from the BA until
> > > you prove your innocence. Just like Maior had the chance to prove her
> > > innocence. Until your innocence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt you
> > > have been banned from the BA.
> > >
> > > I notified Fabius via phone about my actions.
> > >
> > > The entire BA is aware of my actions.
> > >
> > > And you stated to me on the phone when we spoke that you felt Metellus
> > > should apologize even though he did not mean a single word of it. I told
> > > you that was wrong, it was lying, and you said you didn't in the face of
> > > political expeidency. Simply put you would lie and publicly deceive if it
> > > meant you would get further ahead. Regardless of the cost to a person's
> > > integrety and character. Thusly I would not be able to take your word if
> > > you said IT WASNT ME. So, if you want to be admitted back to the BA
> > > Piscinus will need to release the emails he received with headers showing it
> > > wasnt you who gave him access to BA correspondence and then I would
> > > apologize absolutely and I would then let Fabius or the other moderators
> > > deal with any suspected Maior type leaks in the BA.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > Co-owner of the Back Alley
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Catoni salutem dicit
> > > >
> > > > What are you accusing me of? Spell it out instead of playing games.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Modianus
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 13, 2010 12:28 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cato Modiano sal.
> > > >
> > > > No, but you were.
> > > >
> > > > "Woe to you, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the
> > > > outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead mens' bones and
> > > > all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but
> > > > inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matt. 23:27
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo M...
> > > >
> > > > > On Jul 12, 2010 11:52 PM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato Sullae sal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Was that ...
> > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > > >
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