Ave Julia,

I like you writing Latin.

> Mihi cognomen Aquila est,

Both "Mihi cognomen Aquilae est" and "Mihi cognomen Aquila est" are correct.

> sed mihi valde multum placet Julia(?Julium?) appellari.

Juliam. Accusative of Julia.
"Valde multum" is familiar, you find it in the correspondance of Cicero. I used it to be funny...

> Eheu, laboro capite! *risum*

As you can see, among Romans labor (work) was a true disgrace. ;o)

> Gai Petroni, this is how I translated this "My surname is Dexter, close friends call me Gaius but it "intensely"

instead of "intensely" you have to use a familiar English expression to say "very much".

pleases me much to be called/addressed Petronius."

You have well understood my sentences.

Further concerning respectfully to offer and translate hitherto (up to this point); now , Julia , I say which today compose or to make." The last sentence was really difficult, but sort of fun figuring it out. But I didn't quite get it – I would appreciate some help in translating, si placet.

> Iam de salute data redditaque hactenus;

Iam hactenus = it is enough
de salute data redditaque = about respectives greetings (giving our names)

> nunc, Julia, mihi dic quid hodie feceris vel facias.

= now, Julia, tell me what you did today or you will do.


Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. XI Kalendas Sextiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Salve,
I am neutral towards a dictatorship until I see who will take the post but as
long as its only a month(or is it six?) How much harm can be done? Also the
Senate reserves the right to revoke any thing done by the dictator when his term
ends.
Right now in the situation in NR maybe a dictator isn't such a bad idea again
depending on who takes the post.
Even Sulla the ancient one knew enough to drop off his powers after he fixed the
state. As long as we dont get a Julius Caesar in the republic we should be fine.
I would of course love to be take the post as I know things that would fix NR
but at the same time I can see why everyone is having issues with it, the simple
word dictator conjures up images of blood in the streets and people in the
prisons or worse.....
We should keep an open mind and as always....
DI VOS INCOLVMES CUSTODIANT
Nero


________________________________
From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 11:39:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Freedom of Speech on the ML

Tink it does not fit with their agenda. TPTB are already moving to install
a dictatorship. It has already been submitted in this questionable and
highly irregular senate session.

Vale,

Sulla

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@...>wrote:

> Aeternia M. Iulio Severo sal,
>
> As much as I am sure you will disregard this post Senator, I shall still
> speak..
>
> I can understand perhaps a bit of moderation for it is truly apparent that
> some indivdiuals have displayed traits of truly needing it.. Most of us are
> adults and should be able to show some restraint at controlling our
> emotions, we should not be treated as we were five years old or younger, or
> do we as a community need to feel that we are walking on eggshells just to
> keep the peace..
>
> I believe there should be compromise, right now Gualterus Graecus and
> company are doing a great job they have administered moderations justly..
>
> Vale Bene,
> Aeternia
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM, M•IVL•SEVERVS <
> marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salvete Quirites,
> >
> > I know very well that this short message will provoke a lot of
> speculation
> > among
> > some characters around here, but I don't care. I do care for our beloved
> > Res
> > publica.
> > I am convinced that the ML needs moderation, the kind that would prevent
> > the
> > disgusting behavior that we have seen here from some citizens and public
> > servants. Even if we are able to reach the desirable degree of civility,
> we
> > will
> > need some moderation, because we are humans.
> > That said, I fully agree with what aedile curule L. Iulia Aquila says
> > in her
> > message below.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > M•IVL•SEVERVS
> >
> > SENATOR
> > PRO•CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICI
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...<luciaiuliaaquila%
> 40hotmail.com>
> > >
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 9:15:11 PM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Freedom of Speech on the ML
> >
> >
> >
> > L. Iulia Aquila Quirites, Socii, Peregrinisque S.P.D.
> >
> > Again Cato's perception puts words in my mouth. Never was there a mention
> > of
> > "strict" moderation. This is his perception.
> >
> > Rather than employing strategem to make another's words appear as they
> are
> > not;
> > a conversation towards a solution would be more useful. It is
> disconcerting
> > that
> > a calm tone, an amicable voice and a discerned intent to nurture and
> > comfort our
> > fellow citizens is met with suspicion.
> >
> > There is no reason to be caught between a rock and a hard place as Cato
> > suggested in Latin.
> >
> > The model for Free Speech used is based on the Free Speech of the United
> > States,
> > the same one Cato and I live with every day and I doubt very much Cato
> > picket
> > the Supreme Court routinely over it. I could be wrong and I shall
> > graciously
> > admit if I am.
> > We are protected against abuse in the US and the citizens of Nova Roma
> > should
> > also expect to have a forum, a main list, they can feel safe and
> protected
> > in
> > and also feel free to use their right to free speech.
> >
> > The term Moderator is a good word for those citizens in the praetorian
> > cohors.
> > It suggests that they use their position moderately.
> >
> > Last year we had problems from the very same citizens who monopolized the
> > ML
> > this year.
> >
> > However with a set of rules in place we averted the monopoly, discord and
> > chaos
> > of this year.
> > Cato certainly had his share of heated discussions last year.
> > Last year we had many new and potential citizens leave because of
> > discordant
> > arguments between citizens. Cato's memory may be short because I have
> seen
> > new
> > citizens and visitors spoken to harshly – of course Cato's perceptions
> are
> > different than mine.
> >
> > Citizens who have no choice but to put up with increasingly shrill and
> > unpleasant environments are not wholly free to express themselves when
> > others do
> > not have the respect and self control to show consideration to the others
> > they
> > share the ML with.
> >
> > I am not sure where Cato goes for discourse in his private life however I
> > do not
> > experience anything like what I have experienced on the mail list. In my
> > own
> > experiences I have experienced vibrancy, passion and vitality whether
> > engaging
> > in a discussion with scholars, students, artists, thespians, martialists
> or
> >
> > "just plain folk." My 18y/o grandson's friends demonstrate more maturity
> > then I
> > have witnessed at times on the ML – and no one can say these young men
> and
> > women
> > are not vibrant, full of vitality or passionate :) Arguments are fine;
> > there is
> > an art to them, even if they get loud but when they cause strife then
> they
> > should be re-evaluated preferably by those engaged in them.
> > We have to go beyond our own myopic experiences and make the main list a
> > place
> > for all. That is the bottom line.
> >
> > We must realize that the phrase in our constitution "except where they
> > represent
> > an imminent and clear danger to the Republic" is not just pertaining to
> the
> >
> > physical entity of `imminent and clear danger' to the Republic, but also
> to
> > the
> > spiritual and mental health of the Republic. If the spiritual and mental
> > being
> > of our citizens are causing them to leave, as has happened, and our
> > citizenship
> > is dwindling then the Republic is in `imminent and clear danger.' With an
> > atmosphere of chaos and discord that obstructs any progress it will
> > eventually
> > erode our foundation.
> >
> > The same citizens who feel compelled to point out the decreased
> > citizenship, the
> > decreased amount of activity on the ML, and wail about Free Speech are
> the
> > very
> > ones who are unable to look inside themselves and see what part they are
> > playing.
> >
> > These are the very same citizens who criticize others for not doing
> > anything to
> > make the main list a better place, yet you will only see them embroiled
> in
> > controversy.
> >
> > Curate ut valeatis in pace Deorum
> >
> > Julia
> > Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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M. Iulius Severus Senator Consularis Aeterniae omnibusque sal.

I wonder why are you so prejudiced towards me, but I think that I know the
reason.
I don't disregard your post, or any post.
I won't respond to the usual set of attacks and lies, but I am responding to
you.
I am not proposing to treat NR citizens as toddlers, Aeternia. Maybe you and me
won't agree on how much moderation is needed, but I respect the freedom of
speech.
I also agree with you on the need of compromise.

Vale et valete,
 
M•IVL•SEVERVS

SENATOR
PRO•CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICI




________________________________
From: Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 12:34:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Freedom of Speech on the ML

Aeternia M. Iulio Severo sal,

As much as I am sure you will disregard this post Senator, I shall still
speak..

I can understand perhaps a bit of moderation for it is truly apparent that
some indivdiuals have displayed traits of truly needing it.. Most of us are
adults and should be able to show some restraint at controlling our
emotions, we should not be treated as we were five years old or younger, or
do we as a community need to feel that we are walking on eggshells just to
keep the peace..

I believe there should be compromise, right now Gualterus Graecus and
company are doing a great job they have administered moderations justly..

Vale Bene,
Aeternia

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM, M•IVL•SEVERVS <
marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I know very well that this short message will provoke a lot of speculation
> among
> some characters around here, but I don't care. I do care for our beloved
> Res
> publica.
> I am convinced that the ML needs moderation, the kind that would prevent
> the
> disgusting behavior that we have seen here from some citizens and public
> servants. Even if we are able to reach the desirable degree of civility, we
> will
> need some moderation, because we are humans.
> That said, I fully agree with what aedile curule L. Iulia Aquila says
> in her
> message below.
>
> Valete,
>
> M•IVL•SEVERVS
>
> SENATOR
> PRO•CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICI
>
> ________________________________
> From: luciaiuliaaquila
><luciaiuliaaquila@...<luciaiuliaaquila%40hotmail.com>
> >
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 9:15:11 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Freedom of Speech on the ML
>
>
>
> L. Iulia Aquila Quirites, Socii, Peregrinisque S.P.D.
>
> Again Cato's perception puts words in my mouth. Never was there a mention
> of
> "strict" moderation. This is his perception.
>
> Rather than employing strategem to make another's words appear as they are
> not;
> a conversation towards a solution would be more useful. It is disconcerting
> that
> a calm tone, an amicable voice and a discerned intent to nurture and
> comfort our
> fellow citizens is met with suspicion.
>
> There is no reason to be caught between a rock and a hard place as Cato
> suggested in Latin.
>
> The model for Free Speech used is based on the Free Speech of the United
> States,
> the same one Cato and I live with every day and I doubt very much Cato
> picket
> the Supreme Court routinely over it. I could be wrong and I shall
> graciously
> admit if I am.
> We are protected against abuse in the US and the citizens of Nova Roma
> should
> also expect to have a forum, a main list, they can feel safe and protected
> in
> and also feel free to use their right to free speech.
>
> The term Moderator is a good word for those citizens in the praetorian
> cohors.
> It suggests that they use their position moderately.
>
> Last year we had problems from the very same citizens who monopolized the
> ML
> this year.
>
> However with a set of rules in place we averted the monopoly, discord and
> chaos
> of this year.
> Cato certainly had his share of heated discussions last year.
> Last year we had many new and potential citizens leave because of
> discordant
> arguments between citizens. Cato's memory may be short because I have seen
> new
> citizens and visitors spoken to harshly – of course Cato's perceptions are
> different than mine.
>
> Citizens who have no choice but to put up with increasingly shrill and
> unpleasant environments are not wholly free to express themselves when
> others do
> not have the respect and self control to show consideration to the others
> they
> share the ML with.
>
> I am not sure where Cato goes for discourse in his private life however I
> do not
> experience anything like what I have experienced on the mail list. In my
> own
> experiences I have experienced vibrancy, passion and vitality whether
> engaging
> in a discussion with scholars, students, artists, thespians, martialists or
>
> "just plain folk." My 18y/o grandson's friends demonstrate more maturity
> then I
> have witnessed at times on the ML – and no one can say these young men and
> women
> are not vibrant, full of vitality or passionate :) Arguments are fine;
> there is
> an art to them, even if they get loud but when they cause strife then they
> should be re-evaluated preferably by those engaged in them.
> We have to go beyond our own myopic experiences and make the main list a
> place
> for all. That is the bottom line.
>
> We must realize that the phrase in our constitution "except where they
> represent
> an imminent and clear danger to the Republic" is not just pertaining to the
>
> physical entity of `imminent and clear danger' to the Republic, but also to
> the
> spiritual and mental health of the Republic. If the spiritual and mental
> being
> of our citizens are causing them to leave, as has happened, and our
> citizenship
> is dwindling then the Republic is in `imminent and clear danger.' With an
> atmosphere of chaos and discord that obstructs any progress it will
> eventually
> erode our foundation.
>
> The same citizens who feel compelled to point out the decreased
> citizenship, the
> decreased amount of activity on the ML, and wail about Free Speech are the
> very
> ones who are unable to look inside themselves and see what part they are
> playing.
>
> These are the very same citizens who criticize others for not doing
> anything to
> make the main list a better place, yet you will only see them embroiled in
> controversy.
>
> Curate ut valeatis in pace Deorum
>
> Julia
> Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>

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C. Petronius Aeterniae s.p.d.,

Freedom is not a licence to do everything. Because my freedom ends where begins yours. Freedom indeed has ends and terms, as freedom of others, and also freedom has rights and duties. Freedom is something you have to struggle for and you have to share with other, it is not something for one individual, for one it is not freedom but privilege.

In other hand, moderation is not interdiction of speech. Somebody put under moderation has his messages read before posting. That is on the Yahoo rules and it is written on the title of Nova Roma list. This is a moderated yahoogroup.

So when you write on this list you know that the list is moderated. It is clearly written on the door. Here you cannot say everything you want. As some toilets are for ladies and some for men, it is written on the door. No surprise.

You know in coming in the ML list that the list is moderated, so your claim about a freedom of speech, is not accurate, because it is not freedom of speech the subject but the knowledge where you are.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. XI Kalendas Sextiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit

I don't support Piscinus as master of the horse; however, I do support the
idea of a dictatorship. I don't support the idea of a "civil war" but I do
support changes being made within Nova Roma.

Vale;

Modianus

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...>wrote:

> Oh Piscinus,
>
> I DO NOT WANT NOR WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY DICTATORSHIP. Just as I said, and
> you snipped out in that VERY SAME POST.
>
> In the back alley someone asked about what would happen in the event of a
> civil war. Having gone through the first NR civil war - I gave my
> recollection.
>
> Now you know as well as I do...one needs the support of the majority of the
> senate. I clearly do not have that. ;) Heck, I cant even be made CFO
> (even if I wanted it) and you presume to accuse me of wanting the
> dictatorship. Why don't you talk about the move to a dictatorship going on
> in the senate now, Piscinus? How you and others are supporting Equitius
> Marinus to be appointed Dictator, presumably with you as master of the
> Horse. LOL
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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And I find it amusing that Caeso Fabius is unable to get his agenda through
so he resorts to the dictatorship.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit
>
> I don't support Piscinus as master of the horse; however, I do support the
> idea of a dictatorship. I don't support the idea of a "civil war" but I do
> support changes being made within Nova Roma.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Robert Woolwine
> <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
>
>
> > Oh Piscinus,
> >
> > I DO NOT WANT NOR WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY DICTATORSHIP. Just as I said, and
> > you snipped out in that VERY SAME POST.
> >
> > In the back alley someone asked about what would happen in the event of a
> > civil war. Having gone through the first NR civil war - I gave my
> > recollection.
> >
> > Now you know as well as I do...one needs the support of the majority of
> the
> > senate. I clearly do not have that. ;) Heck, I cant even be made CFO
> > (even if I wanted it) and you presume to accuse me of wanting the
> > dictatorship. Why don't you talk about the move to a dictatorship going
> on
> > in the senate now, Piscinus? How you and others are supporting Equitius
> > Marinus to be appointed Dictator, presumably with you as master of the
> > Horse. LOL
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You're amused? I wasn't aware the senate was there for your amusement. Do
you have a better solution?

Modianus

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...>wrote:

> And I find it amusing that Caeso Fabius is unable to get his agenda through
> so he resorts to the dictatorship.
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit
> >
> > I don't support Piscinus as master of the horse; however, I do support
> the
> > idea of a dictatorship. I don't support the idea of a "civil war" but I
> do
> > support changes being made within Nova Roma.
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Modianus
>

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Yes, I do. Actual compromise. It started with the IT measure. And then
the bylaws committee. And the consuls could follow a page from history like
Gn. Pompeius and Marcus Crassus and bury the hatchet and work together
again.

Vale,

Sulla

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:13 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> You're amused? I wasn't aware the senate was there for your amusement. Do
> you have a better solution?
>
> Modianus
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Robert Woolwine
>
> <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
>
> > And I find it amusing that Caeso Fabius is unable to get his agenda
> through
> > so he resorts to the dictatorship.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit
> > >
> > > I don't support Piscinus as master of the horse; however, I do support
> > the
> > > idea of a dictatorship. I don't support the idea of a "civil war" but I
> > do
> > > support changes being made within Nova Roma.
> > >
> > > Vale;
> > >
> > > Modianus
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Cato Dextero sal.

Quick question: if it is already in Yahoo!'s Terms of service, why do we need to re-state it?

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

...

> In other hand, moderation is not interdiction of speech. Somebody put under moderation has his messages read before posting. That is on the Yahoo rules and it is written on the title of Nova Roma list. This is a moderated yahoogroup.

Salvete,

This week has seen a resurgence of calls for stricter ML moderation. It seems to me that these calls are mostly rhetorical and lack any substance.

Firstly, a notion has been floating around that moderation is not a restriction of speech, but only a prescreening of speech. But, prescreening is only meaningful if there is some expectation or desire that some posts will not be allowed through.

Secondly, some of the calls for moderation seem to suggest that the ML isn't being watched by moderators, or not very carefully. On the contrary, I can assure all that every post is read for disruptive content.

Finally, the calls for moderation take no account of the process involved. Let us suppose that some offensive content is put out. Since most people on the ML receive posts through individual or digest emails there is no way to turn back the clock. What happens is that the person is "moderated", which is to say, their messages get prescreened. However, the originally offensive material is already out there even if the radical step of deleting it from the archives is taken. If *more* offensive material comes from the same individual then it can *then* be stopped, but that becomes a judgment call among the moderators and certainly would involve a restriction of speech (for better or worse). Moreover, this would not stop others from responding to the originally offensive material. What then? Moderate everyone who responds to it? I think it's clear how quickly this can snowball out of control.

So, those calling for "strict moderation", what do you actually mean? Do you want that certain individuals' messages only be prescreened? For how long? Which posts in the last week would you have blocked from getting through? Are there any posts that anyone here considers to have been so offensive as to be removed from the archives? Would you moderator others who only respond to the originally offensive post? If not, how do you imagine you would stop the originally disruptive material from becoming a subject of discussion? What about heated political discussions? Do politics get banned? Do you moderate people because their tone is challenging?

The fact is, when there are deep and fundamental tensions in the organization and people are on edge, this will bubble through on the ML. If too draconian of a response is made by the moderators then the act of moderation itself ends up fueling the already present discord and everything goes to pot even more quickly. We have already seen how draconian moderation can get out of control during Maior's reign of terror. Whether you agreed or disagreed with her, the fact is that it only contributed to the tension and didn't resolve anything.

Valete,

Gualterus

Dexter Catoni s.p.d.,

> Quick question: if it is already in Yahoo!'s Terms of service, why do we need to re-state it?

Who re-states it? It is clearly written: Description
THIS IS A MODERATED LIST

I am not native English speaker, but I understand the description of this Yahoogroup... you do not?

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. XI Kalendas Sextiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

M. Hortensia K. Modiano Cornelio Sullae spd;

We've been hemmoraging members. The ML is a place where fighting and nasty behavior is the norm.

Magistrates are bullied and rubbished and resign. We can't fill all our positions as it is. Our 2 consuls can't work together. Old members leave and people are afraid to participate on the ML.

Who is proud to be a member of Nova Roma today?

not me. We need to do something serious to reform ourselves.
M. Hortensia Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I do. Actual compromise. It started with the IT measure. And then
> the bylaws committee. And the consuls could follow a page from history like
> Gn. Pompeius and Marcus Crassus and bury the hatchet and work together
> again.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:13 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > You're amused? I wasn't aware the senate was there for your amusement. Do
> > you have a better solution?
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Robert Woolwine
> >
> > <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> >
> > > And I find it amusing that Caeso Fabius is unable to get his agenda
> > through
> > > so he resorts to the dictatorship.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit
> > > >
> > > > I don't support Piscinus as master of the horse; however, I do support
> > > the
> > > > idea of a dictatorship. I don't support the idea of a "civil war" but I
> > > do
> > > > support changes being made within Nova Roma.
> > > >
> > > > Vale;
> > > >
> > > > Modianus
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Then let both consuls become heroes and saviors of Nova Roma and put aside
their conflict and work together to fix these problems. Following in the
footsteps of the ancients and seek peace and productivity.

Vale,

Sulla

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:53 AM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> M. Hortensia K. Modiano Cornelio Sullae spd;
>
> We've been hemmoraging members. The ML is a place where fighting and nasty
> behavior is the norm.
>
> Magistrates are bullied and rubbished and resign. We can't fill all our
> positions as it is. Our 2 consuls can't work together. Old members leave and
> people are afraid to participate on the ML.
>
> Who is proud to be a member of Nova Roma today?
>
> not me. We need to do something serious to reform ourselves.
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I do. Actual compromise. It started with the IT measure. And then
> > the bylaws committee. And the consuls could follow a page from history
> like
> > Gn. Pompeius and Marcus Crassus and bury the hatchet and work together
> > again.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:13 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > You're amused? I wasn't aware the senate was there for your amusement.
> Do
> > > you have a better solution?
> > >
> > > Modianus
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Robert Woolwine
> > >
> > > <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
>
> > >
> > > > And I find it amusing that Caeso Fabius is unable to get his agenda
> > > through
> > > > so he resorts to the dictatorship.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@
> ...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem
> dicit
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't support Piscinus as master of the horse; however, I do
> support
> > > > the
> > > > > idea of a dictatorship. I don't support the idea of a "civil war"
> but I
> > > > do
> > > > > support changes being made within Nova Roma.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale;
> > > > >
> > > > > Modianus
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You and Maximus cannot seem to communicate whether or not to allow me back
onto the Back Alley. What makes you think the animosity between Albucius
and Quintilianus can be fixed so quickly?

Vale;

Modianus

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...>wrote:

> Then let both consuls become heroes and saviors of Nova Roma and put aside
> their conflict and work together to fix these problems. Following in the
> footsteps of the ancients and seek peace and productivity.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I spoke to Maximus on the phone when I bounced you on the list. He knew
exactly what went on.

That is why when I started wavering thinking I overreacted - he said he
would handle it. I told him, I agreed for you to come back. The issue,
again, as I stated in the Senate is between you and Maximus. He knows 100%
where I stand.

Fabius and I have worked together in NR for 10 years. There has hardly been
an argument between him and I that has lasted for more than a day. If
anything we are an example of Nova Romans who are able to get along through
tough times and good times.

Vale,

Sulla

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> You and Maximus cannot seem to communicate whether or not to allow me back
> onto the Back Alley. What makes you think the animosity between Albucius
> and Quintilianus can be fixed so quickly?
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Robert Woolwine
> <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
>
>
> > Then let both consuls become heroes and saviors of Nova Roma and put
> aside
> > their conflict and work together to fix these problems. Following in the
> > footsteps of the ancients and seek peace and productivity.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Albucius and Quintilianus do not have that sort of relationship!

Modianus

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...>wrote:

> I spoke to Maximus on the phone when I bounced you on the list. He knew
> exactly what went on.
>
> That is why when I started wavering thinking I overreacted - he said he
> would handle it. I told him, I agreed for you to come back. The issue,
> again, as I stated in the Senate is between you and Maximus. He knows
> 100%
> where I stand.
>
> Fabius and I have worked together in NR for 10 years. There has hardly
> been
> an argument between him and I that has lasted for more than a day. If
> anything we are an example of Nova Romans who are able to get along through
> tough times and good times.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete;

we can't even come to an understanding about the ML and the need to moderate it to stop the horrible name-calling. We have the same tiresome flame-wars, hatreds, vendettas, lawsuits, threats.

We already talked about self-control on the ML tons of times and it never happens. My colleague Laeca was devoted to doing things for NR, very apolitical and she was harassed and unsupported and left.

We're at the end of our rope; either now or there won't be an Nova Roma.
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> I spoke to Maximus on the phone when I bounced you on the list. He knew
> exactly what went on.
>
> That is why when I started wavering thinking I overreacted - he said he
> would handle it. I told him, I agreed for you to come back. The issue,
> again, as I stated in the Senate is between you and Maximus. He knows 100%
> where I stand.
>
> Fabius and I have worked together in NR for 10 years. There has hardly been
> an argument between him and I that has lasted for more than a day. If
> anything we are an example of Nova Romans who are able to get along through
> tough times and good times.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > You and Maximus cannot seem to communicate whether or not to allow me back
> > onto the Back Alley. What makes you think the animosity between Albucius
> > and Quintilianus can be fixed so quickly?
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Robert Woolwine
> > <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Then let both consuls become heroes and saviors of Nova Roma and put
> > aside
> > > their conflict and work together to fix these problems. Following in the
> > > footsteps of the ancients and seek peace and productivity.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Cato Dextero sal.

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. If Yahoo!'s Terms of Service already explain the ground rules regarding civility and decorum, why do we need to say the same thing all over again?

Please do not let Fabius Maximus' comments start to cloud everything you say.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Dexter Catoni s.p.d.,
>
> > Quick question: if it is already in Yahoo!'s Terms of service, why do we need to re-state it?
>
> Who re-states it? It is clearly written: Description
> THIS IS A MODERATED LIST
>
> I am not native English speaker, but I understand the description of this Yahoogroup... you do not?
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. XI Kalendas Sextiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

Cato Maiori sal.

I will always be proud to be Roman.

Everything else, we can fix.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia K. Modiano Cornelio Sullae spd;
>
> We've been hemmoraging members. The ML is a place where fighting and nasty behavior is the norm.
>
> Magistrates are bullied and rubbished and resign. We can't fill all our positions as it is. Our 2 consuls can't work together. Old members leave and people are afraid to participate on the ML.
>
> Who is proud to be a member of Nova Roma today?
>
> not me. We need to do something serious to reform ourselves.
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I do. Actual compromise. It started with the IT measure. And then
> > the bylaws committee. And the consuls could follow a page from history like
> > Gn. Pompeius and Marcus Crassus and bury the hatchet and work together
> > again.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:13 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > You're amused? I wasn't aware the senate was there for your amusement. Do
> > > you have a better solution?
> > >
> > > Modianus
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Robert Woolwine
> > >
> > > <robert.woolwine@ <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> > >
> > > > And I find it amusing that Caeso Fabius is unable to get his agenda
> > > through
> > > > so he resorts to the dictatorship.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't support Piscinus as master of the horse; however, I do support
> > > > the
> > > > > idea of a dictatorship. I don't support the idea of a "civil war" but I
> > > > do
> > > > > support changes being made within Nova Roma.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale;
> > > > >
> > > > > Modianus
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

That's unfortunate. They both should work towards it. It takes work and
effort on both sides.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> Albucius and Quintilianus do not have that sort of relationship!
>
> Modianus
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Robert Woolwine
>
> <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
>
> > I spoke to Maximus on the phone when I bounced you on the list. He knew
> > exactly what went on.
> >
> > That is why when I started wavering thinking I overreacted - he said he
> > would handle it. I told him, I agreed for you to come back. The issue,
> > again, as I stated in the Senate is between you and Maximus. He knows
> > 100%
> > where I stand.
> >
> > Fabius and I have worked together in NR for 10 years. There has hardly
> > been
> > an argument between him and I that has lasted for more than a day. If
> > anything we are an example of Nova Romans who are able to get along
> through
> > tough times and good times.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Aeternia C. Petronio s.p.d.

Dexter, you act as if I have not been in the organization for the last
eleven years here is my reminder... I'm well aware of the rules of this
forum, and I know if I were to say things inappropriately I would get
moderated I would expect it. For example and this is EXAMPLE ONLY PEOPLE :
If I were to say "Dexter you are a mean self righteous bully who can go sod
off to the ninth layer of Hades" then yes I would expect some moderation, I
should not be moderated for saying " Dexter you're such a awesome person"
see the difference? Freedom is a precious thing and I value it highly, but
what I have seen being sponsored is that we all be shackled, treated like
children, and to constantly walk on eggshells else we are called not Roman
enough..

Say that I'm wrong?

Whether you agree with me or not Caius Petronius I'm not crying over it, I
believe a compromise is in order we are all afterall adults..

This outcry for super strong moderation is completely unneccessary.

Vale,
Aeternia

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:00 AM, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>wrote:

>
>
> C. Petronius Aeterniae s.p.d.,
>
> Freedom is not a licence to do everything. Because my freedom ends where
> begins yours. Freedom indeed has ends and terms, as freedom of others, and
> also freedom has rights and duties. Freedom is something you have to
> struggle for and you have to share with other, it is not something for one
> individual, for one it is not freedom but privilege.
>
> In other hand, moderation is not interdiction of speech. Somebody put under
> moderation has his messages read before posting. That is on the Yahoo rules
> and it is written on the title of Nova Roma list. This is a moderated
> yahoogroup.
>
> So when you write on this list you know that the list is moderated. It is
> clearly written on the door. Here you cannot say everything you want. As
> some toilets are for ladies and some for men, it is written on the door. No
> surprise.
>
> You know in coming in the ML list that the list is moderated, so your claim
> about a freedom of speech, is not accurate, because it is not freedom of
> speech the subject but the knowledge where you are.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. XI Kalendas Sextiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Maior Catoni spd;

Well maybe Marinus can stop the endless dysfunction. I won't recruit any more members; my last ones left, disgusted.
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> I will always be proud to be Roman.
>
> Everything else, we can fix.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > M. Hortensia K. Modiano Cornelio Sullae spd;
> >
> > We've been hemmoraging members. The ML is a place where fighting and nasty behavior is the norm.
> >
> > Magistrates are bullied and rubbished and resign. We can't fill all our positions as it is. Our 2 consuls can't work together. Old members leave and people are afraid to participate on the ML.
> >
> > Who is proud to be a member of Nova Roma today?
> >
> > not me. We need to do something serious to reform ourselves.
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, I do. Actual compromise. It started with the IT measure. And then
> > > the bylaws committee. And the consuls could follow a page from history like
> > > Gn. Pompeius and Marcus Crassus and bury the hatchet and work together
> > > again.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:13 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You're amused? I wasn't aware the senate was there for your amusement. Do
> > > > you have a better solution?
> > > >
> > > > Modianus
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Robert Woolwine
> > > >
> > > > <robert.woolwine@ <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And I find it amusing that Caeso Fabius is unable to get his agenda
> > > > through
> > > > > so he resorts to the dictatorship.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici salutem dicit
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't support Piscinus as master of the horse; however, I do support
> > > > > the
> > > > > > idea of a dictatorship. I don't support the idea of a "civil war" but I
> > > > > do
> > > > > > support changes being made within Nova Roma.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Modianus
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Aeternia M. Iulio Severo Senatori Consulari omnibusque sal.


I am not predjuiced sir, whatever you squabbles you have with my roommates
thats between you guys do not include me in that madness.. You have always
treated me cordially on the Muses list, so I don't know where this notion of
"predjudice" comes from but I request you retract that statement please and
immediately.

Senator we may agree on the degree of Moderation that this list needs, but
yes I can say for a definite fact compromise needs to be made and the people
of Nova Roma need to speak.

Vale,
Aeternia

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:51 AM, M�IVL�SEVERVS <
marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:

>
>
> M. Iulius Severus Senator Consularis Aeterniae omnibusque sal.
>
> I wonder why are you so prejudiced towards me, but I think that I know the
> reason.
> I don't disregard your post, or any post.
> I won't respond to the usual set of attacks and lies, but I am
> responding to
> you.
> I am not proposing to treat NR citizens as toddlers, Aeternia. Maybe you
> and me
> won't agree on how much moderation is needed, but I respect the freedom of
> speech.
> I also agree with you on the need of compromise.
>
> Vale et valete,
>
>
> M�IVL�SEVERVS
>
> SENATOR
> PRO�CONSVL�PROVINCI��MEXICI
>
> ________________________________
> From: Belle Morte <syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>>
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 12:34:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Freedom of Speech on the ML
>
>
> Aeternia M. Iulio Severo sal,
>
> As much as I am sure you will disregard this post Senator, I shall still
> speak..
>
> I can understand perhaps a bit of moderation for it is truly apparent that
> some indivdiuals have displayed traits of truly needing it.. Most of us are
> adults and should be able to show some restraint at controlling our
> emotions, we should not be treated as we were five years old or younger, or
> do we as a community need to feel that we are walking on eggshells just to
> keep the peace..
>
> I believe there should be compromise, right now Gualterus Graecus and
> company are doing a great job they have administered moderations justly..
>
> Vale Bene,
> Aeternia
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM, M�IVL�SEVERVS <
> marcusiuliusseverus@... <marcusiuliusseverus%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salvete Quirites,
> >
> > I know very well that this short message will provoke a lot of
> speculation
> > among
> > some characters around here, but I don't care. I do care for our beloved
> > Res
> > publica.
> > I am convinced that the ML needs moderation, the kind that would prevent
> > the
> > disgusting behavior that we have seen here from some citizens and public
> > servants. Even if we are able to reach the desirable degree of civility,
> we
> > will
> > need some moderation, because we are humans.
> > That said, I fully agree with what aedile curule L. Iulia Aquila says
> > in her
> > message below.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > M�IVL�SEVERVS
> >
> > SENATOR
> > PRO�CONSVL�PROVINCI��MEXICI
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: luciaiuliaaquila
> ><luciaiuliaaquila@... <luciaiuliaaquila%40hotmail.com>
> <luciaiuliaaquila%40hotmail.com>
> > >
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> <Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 9:15:11 PM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Freedom of Speech on the ML
> >
> >
> >
> > L. Iulia Aquila Quirites, Socii, Peregrinisque S.P.D.
> >
> > Again Cato's perception puts words in my mouth. Never was there a mention
> > of
> > "strict" moderation. This is his perception.
> >
> > Rather than employing strategem to make another's words appear as they
> are
> > not;
> > a conversation towards a solution would be more useful. It is
> disconcerting
> > that
> > a calm tone, an amicable voice and a discerned intent to nurture and
> > comfort our
> > fellow citizens is met with suspicion.
> >
> > There is no reason to be caught between a rock and a hard place as Cato
> > suggested in Latin.
> >
> > The model for Free Speech used is based on the Free Speech of the United
> > States,
> > the same one Cato and I live with every day and I doubt very much Cato
> > picket
> > the Supreme Court routinely over it. I could be wrong and I shall
> > graciously
> > admit if I am.
> > We are protected against abuse in the US and the citizens of Nova Roma
> > should
> > also expect to have a forum, a main list, they can feel safe and
> protected
> > in
> > and also feel free to use their right to free speech.
> >
> > The term Moderator is a good word for those citizens in the praetorian
> > cohors.
> > It suggests that they use their position moderately.
> >
> > Last year we had problems from the very same citizens who monopolized the
> > ML
> > this year.
> >
> > However with a set of rules in place we averted the monopoly, discord and
> > chaos
> > of this year.
> > Cato certainly had his share of heated discussions last year.
> > Last year we had many new and potential citizens leave because of
> > discordant
> > arguments between citizens. Cato's memory may be short because I have
> seen
> > new
> > citizens and visitors spoken to harshly � of course Cato's perceptions
> are
> > different than mine.
> >
> > Citizens who have no choice but to put up with increasingly shrill and
> > unpleasant environments are not wholly free to express themselves when
> > others do
> > not have the respect and self control to show consideration to the others
> > they
> > share the ML with.
> >
> > I am not sure where Cato goes for discourse in his private life however I
> > do not
> > experience anything like what I have experienced on the mail list. In my
> > own
> > experiences I have experienced vibrancy, passion and vitality whether
> > engaging
> > in a discussion with scholars, students, artists, thespians, martialists
> or
> >
> > "just plain folk." My 18y/o grandson's friends demonstrate more maturity
> > then I
> > have witnessed at times on the ML � and no one can say these young men
> and
> > women
> > are not vibrant, full of vitality or passionate :) Arguments are fine;
> > there is
> > an art to them, even if they get loud but when they cause strife then
> they
> > should be re-evaluated preferably by those engaged in them.
> > We have to go beyond our own myopic experiences and make the main list a
> > place
> > for all. That is the bottom line.
> >
> > We must realize that the phrase in our constitution "except where they
> > represent
> > an imminent and clear danger to the Republic" is not just pertaining to
> the
> >
> > physical entity of `imminent and clear danger' to the Republic, but also
> to
> > the
> > spiritual and mental health of the Republic. If the spiritual and mental
> > being
> > of our citizens are causing them to leave, as has happened, and our
> > citizenship
> > is dwindling then the Republic is in `imminent and clear danger.' With an
> > atmosphere of chaos and discord that obstructs any progress it will
> > eventually
> > erode our foundation.
> >
> > The same citizens who feel compelled to point out the decreased
> > citizenship, the
> > decreased amount of activity on the ML, and wail about Free Speech are
> the
> > very
> > ones who are unable to look inside themselves and see what part they are
> > playing.
> >
> > These are the very same citizens who criticize others for not doing
> > anything to
> > make the main list a better place, yet you will only see them embroiled
> in
> > controversy.
> >
> > Curate ut valeatis in pace Deorum
> >
> > Julia
> > Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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You guys had 3 years to stop the decline. 3 LONG years to turn things
around. You guys repeatedly ignored it, said the issue did not
exist.....was not a concern. YOU yourself said it did not matter how many
people NR had. This is just another manufactured crises brought by you,
Piscinus and others.

And what it highlights most of all is the failure of Caeso Fabius. He has
failed as Consul.

Vale,

Sulla

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:48 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> Maior Catoni spd;
>
> Well maybe Marinus can stop the endless dysfunction. I won't recruit any
> more members; my last ones left, disgusted.
> Maior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "Cato"
> <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Maiori sal.
> >
> > I will always be proud to be Roman.
> >
> > Everything else, we can fix.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > M. Hortensia K. Modiano Cornelio Sullae spd;
> > >
> > > We've been hemmoraging members. The ML is a place where fighting and
> nasty behavior is the norm.
> > >
> > > Magistrates are bullied and rubbished and resign. We can't fill all our
> positions as it is. Our 2 consuls can't work together. Old members leave and
> people are afraid to participate on the ML.
> > >
> > > Who is proud to be a member of Nova Roma today?
> > >
> > > not me. We need to do something serious to reform ourselves.
> > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I do. Actual compromise. It started with the IT measure. And
> then
> > > > the bylaws committee. And the consuls could follow a page from
> history like
> > > > Gn. Pompeius and Marcus Crassus and bury the hatchet and work
> together
> > > > again.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:13 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@
> >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You're amused? I wasn't aware the senate was there for your
> amusement. Do
> > > > > you have a better solution?
> > > > >
> > > > > Modianus
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Robert Woolwine
> > > > >
> > > > > <robert.woolwine@ <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > And I find it amusing that Caeso Fabius is unable to get his
> agenda
> > > > > through
> > > > > > so he resorts to the dictatorship.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@
> <tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici
> salutem dicit
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't support Piscinus as master of the horse; however, I do
> support
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > idea of a dictatorship. I don't support the idea of a "civil
> war" but I
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > > support changes being made within Nova Roma.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vale;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Modianus
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>


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Salvete Quirites !

I was participating in the Senate debates, unlike some senators who seem elsewhere, and here I find why.

Sulla is running a campaign to name me Magister Equitum !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> That's unfortunate. They both should work towards it. It takes work and
> effort on both sides.
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Albucius and Quintilianus do not have that sort of relationship!
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Robert Woolwine
> >
> > <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> >
> > > I spoke to Maximus on the phone when I bounced you on the list. He knew
> > > exactly what went on.
> > >
> > > That is why when I started wavering thinking I overreacted - he said he
> > > would handle it. I told him, I agreed for you to come back. The issue,
> > > again, as I stated in the Senate is between you and Maximus. He knows
> > > 100%
> > > where I stand.
> > >
> > > Fabius and I have worked together in NR for 10 years. There has hardly
> > > been
> > > an argument between him and I that has lasted for more than a day. If
> > > anything we are an example of Nova Romans who are able to get along
> > through
> > > tough times and good times.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Well personally, I think we should move this debate in the open where the
people can see who is plotting dictatorships....

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:11 PM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:

>
>
> Salvete Quirites !
>
> I was participating in the Senate debates, unlike some senators who seem
> elsewhere, and here I find why.
>
> Sulla is running a campaign to name me Magister Equitum !
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >
> > That's unfortunate. They both should work towards it. It takes work and
> > effort on both sides.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Albucius and Quintilianus do not have that sort of relationship!
> > >
> > > Modianus
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Robert Woolwine
> > >
> > > <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I spoke to Maximus on the phone when I bounced you on the list. He
> knew
> > > > exactly what went on.
> > > >
> > > > That is why when I started wavering thinking I overreacted - he said
> he
> > > > would handle it. I told him, I agreed for you to come back. The
> issue,
> > > > again, as I stated in the Senate is between you and Maximus. He knows
> > > > 100%
> > > > where I stand.
> > > >
> > > > Fabius and I have worked together in NR for 10 years. There has
> hardly
> > > > been
> > > > an argument between him and I that has lasted for more than a day. If
> > > > anything we are an example of Nova Romans who are able to get along
> > > through
> > > > tough times and good times.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Neroni S.P.D.
>
>
> Salve,
> Why? I do not consider tattoos do be defacement
>
>
> ATS: Generally speaking, Indo-Europeans did not practice tattooing or any
> form of bodily mutilation (piercing, scarification, knocking out teeth as a
> puberty ritual, circumcision...). As Senator Q. Fabius Maximus pointed out,
> tattooing was a Scythian custom. In turn, that may have carried over to (or
> from) the Amerinds and Pacific Islanders.
>
>
> They are another way of
> expressing my art and my beliefs. As for infections I am extremely well versed
> in taking care of tattoos, my mom my sister and I all have them and with the
> precautions we used(at my instruction) not one of ours have ever gotten
> infected.
>
> ATS: Here we have had instances in which the tattoo artist (or whatever
> they are called) used dirty needles (or was himself infected), and given the
> presence of incurable diseases which can be blood-borne, methinks that the
> greater part of wisdom is to avoid anything which might contribute to the
> spread of AIDS, hepatitis, etc., etc.
>
> I majored in art in high school as well as Latin, and my junior high art
> teacher is a prominent local watercolorist. I doubt either of us thinks
> tattoos are wonderfully attractive; I must say that while some are quite
> beautifully done, I would prefer to see these images on canvas or paper; on
> human skin, the attractiveness disappears. Meá sententiá.
>
>
> As for pain, pain is a way of life, I mean walking down the street I could
> trip
> and be in pain does that mean I shall lock up in my house to avoid it?
>
> ATS: Mother Nature may well provide you with pain emanating solely from
> your own body when you get a little older. I had a 15 year old home
> instruction student with rheumatoid arthritis, and that does not lack in pain,
> even in one so young.
>
>
> I thank you for your translation I'm going to just do the SPQR though I think
> because I think too many people will confuse DEIS with one god not plural
> which
> of course is the whole point.
>
> ATS: You¹re welcome. Deis is plural; the singular is Deo. Anyone raised
> Catholic who has heard a proper Tridentine Mass will know very well that Deo
> is singular... (Deum de Deo, lumen de lumine, genitum, non factum,
> consubstantialem Patri...). A good many Latinists got their start in the
> field from listening to that sort of thing every Sunday...not all remained RC,
> but all acquired a love of Latin.
>
> If more schools offered Latin, and more people took it (as they did in my
> day), they, too, would understand the grammatical distinction between deis and
> deo. We do offer courses in the subject, in part to make up for this
> deficiency in education.
>
> DTIC
> Nero
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant.
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
> ________________________________
> From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...
> <mailto:fororom%40localnet.com> >
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 1:24:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Romans Speaking Latin
>
>> >
>> > A. Tullia Scholastica Neroni quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae
>> > voluntatis S.P.D.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Salve,
>> > I am getting a tattoo tomorrow
>> >
>> >
>> > ATS: Why? Indo-Europeans shied away from defacing their anatomy. And
>> > then there are infections, and pain...
>> >
>> > and was going for something 1.Roman and 2.Pagan I
>> > was going to do a mix of SPQR and the pentacle then thought nah I still am
>> > getting SPQR on my leg but anyway my question is I need final confirmation
>> on
>> > the three phrases I'm debating over(and even suggest some yourself!) The
>> three
>> > I
>> > have in mind are as follows PLEASE TELL ME IF THEY ARE WRONG nothing would
>> > bring
>> > more shame then to have incorrect latin on my arm forever.
>> > 1.DIIS INVICTA: The Gods are unconquered
>> >
>> > ATS: Well, this one more or less means Unconquered things for the gods
>> > (or by the gods). Possibly, too, Things for the gods are unconquered.
>> In
>> > order to mean The Gods are unconquered, this would have to be transmuted
>> into
>> > Dei invicti.
>> >
>> > 2.CVRAE PII DIIS SVNT: The pious are in care of the Gods
>> >
>> > ATS: More literally, this is The pious are a concern to the Gods.
>> Word
>> > order would be better as Pii curae diis [or deis] sunt.
>> >
>> > 3. NIHIL SINE DIIS: (I am/we are) Nothing without the Gods.
>> >
>> > ATS: This is fine as is, though Deis is what we were taught in school.
>> >
>> > That last one is my fave but I am still taking suggestions as long as it is
>> in
>> > latin and pertains to the Gods I'll consider it, picx tomorrow night
>> hopefully
>> > DI VOS INCOLVMES CVSTODIANT
>> > Nero
>> >
>> > Vale, et valete.
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...
>> <mailto:fororom%40localnet.com>
>> > <mailto:fororom%40localnet.com> >
>> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 9:53:35 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Romans Speaking Latin
>> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae discipulae meae omnibusque
>>> >> S.P.D.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Iulia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Magistrae mea, omnibusque sal,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Salve Magistra!
>>>> >> > (Greetings Teacher)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ATS: Salve, discipula (greetings, [female] student!)
>>>> >> > Oi laboro capite,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > (oh I have a headache)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ATS: Better: eheu, laboro capite! Habesne medicamenta? (do you

have

>>>> >> > medicines?)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Non semper erit aestas
>>>> >> > (it will not always be summer)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ATS: Dís gratias! In aestate caelum saepius calidius est.
>>>> (Thank the
>>>> >> > gods! In the summer the weather is very often too hot).
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Vale,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Julia
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Vale, et valete.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> >> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A.
>>>> >> > Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus,

sociis,

>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> peregrinisque
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Salvete omnes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > I have been trying to improve my use of basic Latin

by using it!

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > ATS: Optimé! Use it or lose it! It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> essential to >>>>>>
> practice!
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > LIA: I do my best to find the time, promise
>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > In most cases I am abusing the pronunciation but I

make use of

>>>>>>> >>>>>> videos to
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> help
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > with that.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > ATS: You might also want to visit the sound

files on the

>>>>>>> >>>>>> Grammatica
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Latina site(s)...
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > LIA: I couldn't access them last time I tried which was ...well...
>>>> quite a
>>>> >> > while ago. I promise you that by the year I turn 60 I will resume
>>>> classes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > I highly recommend the videos here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > http://www.lingua.co.uk/latin/films/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > I don't know if any of you are game, but I would
>>>>>>>>>>>> like to start a
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> conversation
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > in Latin - using very simple sentences or phrases -

and also

>>>>>>> >>>>>> providing
>> > the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > English to reinforce the meaning.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Of course our Latinists are welcome to join in as

long as they

> don't
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> take over
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > *laughs* and assist us in any errors we may make.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Please use your dictionaries and any resources you

have at hand -

> I know
>> > I
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > will. Some of us may even be able to create some
>>>>>>>>>>>> very interesting
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> sentences:)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Simple sentences are found here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > http://novaroma.org/nr/Latin_phrasebook
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > http://novaroma.org/nr/Latin_for_e-mail
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > I'll begin (keeping it simple):
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Ave, ut vales?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > (Greetings, How are you?)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > ATS: More common is salve. Plural, salvete,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and ut valetis,
> when
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > addressing a group. Reply: valeo, et tu? (plural:

et vos?)

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Nomine Julia sum. Quo nomine?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > (My name is Julia. What is your name?)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > ATS: Much better is Mihi nomen Juliae est,
>>>>>>>>>>>> using the dative
> of your
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> name,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > attracted grammatically to the dative of possession,

mihi. The

>>>>>>> >>>>>> response
>> > is
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > better as Quid nomen tibi?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > LIA: if I am speaking directly to you I will be using the vocative,

yes?

>>> >> This
>>>> >> > is why I used the vocative.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Some additional replies: laboro capite, I have

a headache;

> laboro
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > influentiá, I have the flu...we can supply some more

as desired.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > LIA: actually I have a sinus infection:) and a small headache...after

you

>>>> >> > forced me to think in Latin again*laughs* just teasing...well maybe.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > BTW, all students in Sermo Latinus I have now

reported to

> pick up
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > grades, so I can begin site preparation and eventual

registration

> for
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > course once I move the continuing students to Sermo

II...which in

> turn
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > require a little preparation of its own before I can

do so.

> Anyone
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> wishing to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > register for any of the five Latin courses should

contact me.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Valete,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Julia
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Vale, et valete.
>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Vale
>

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Salvete omnes

To my fellow Nova Romans

If nominated I shall not run; if elected, I shall not serve; if appointed by a dictator as Magister Equitum, well, I shall have to offer Sulla appropriate thanks for making it all possible with his campaign to name me Master of the Horse. Thank you, Sulla. No, really, thank you.

Really, I didn't know I was in the running for an office that doesn't exist, until you brought it up. Was this part of your theoretical plan, too?

Valete et vadete in pace Deorum nostrorum

M. Moravius Piscinus

Pontifex Maximus
Magister Collegii Augurum
Senator Consularius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Well personally, I think we should move this debate in the open where the
> people can see who is plotting dictatorships....
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:11 PM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salvete Quirites !
> >
> > I was participating in the Senate debates, unlike some senators who seem
> > elsewhere, and here I find why.
> >
> > Sulla is running a campaign to name me Magister Equitum !
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's unfortunate. They both should work towards it. It takes work and
> > > effort on both sides.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Albucius and Quintilianus do not have that sort of relationship!
> > > >
> > > > Modianus
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Robert Woolwine
> > > >
> > > > <robert.woolwine@ <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I spoke to Maximus on the phone when I bounced you on the list. He
> > knew
> > > > > exactly what went on.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is why when I started wavering thinking I overreacted - he said
> > he
> > > > > would handle it. I told him, I agreed for you to come back. The
> > issue,
> > > > > again, as I stated in the Senate is between you and Maximus. He knows
> > > > > 100%
> > > > > where I stand.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fabius and I have worked together in NR for 10 years. There has
> > hardly
> > > > > been
> > > > > an argument between him and I that has lasted for more than a day. If
> > > > > anything we are an example of Nova Romans who are able to get along
> > > > through
> > > > > tough times and good times.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Instead of complaining about Sulla, why don't you put him to work? Like many others, he has skills & talents which are being wasted while NR is in need. There are tasks which need doing that could be assigned.

Enodia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites !
>
> I was participating in the Senate debates, unlike some senators who seem elsewhere, and here I find why.
>
> Sulla is running a campaign to name me Magister Equitum !
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> >
> > That's unfortunate. They both should work towards it. It takes work and
> > effort on both sides.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Albucius and Quintilianus do not have that sort of relationship!
> > >
> > > Modianus
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Robert Woolwine
> > >
> > > <robert.woolwine@ <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I spoke to Maximus on the phone when I bounced you on the list. He knew
> > > > exactly what went on.
> > > >
> > > > That is why when I started wavering thinking I overreacted - he said he
> > > > would handle it. I told him, I agreed for you to come back. The issue,
> > > > again, as I stated in the Senate is between you and Maximus. He knows
> > > > 100%
> > > > where I stand.
> > > >
> > > > Fabius and I have worked together in NR for 10 years. There has hardly
> > > > been
> > > > an argument between him and I that has lasted for more than a day. If
> > > > anything we are an example of Nova Romans who are able to get along
> > > through
> > > > tough times and good times.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

To quote the zen teaching from me: "One must stand up and fix the building
before it is further degraded"

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:48:36 -0500, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

> Maior Catoni spd;
>
> Well maybe Marinus can stop the endless dysfunction. I won't recruit
> any more members; my last ones left, disgusted.
> Maior
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>>
>> Cato Maiori sal.
>>
>> I will always be proud to be Roman.
>>
>> Everything else, we can fix.
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> Cato
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
>> >
>> > M. Hortensia K. Modiano Cornelio Sullae spd;
>> >
>> > We've been hemmoraging members. The ML is a place where fighting and
>> nasty behavior is the norm.
>> >
>> > Magistrates are bullied and rubbished and resign. We can't fill all
>> our positions as it is. Our 2 consuls can't work together. Old members
>> leave and people are afraid to participate on the ML.
>> >
>> > Who is proud to be a member of Nova Roma today?
>> >
>> > not me. We need to do something serious to reform
>> ourselves.
>> > M. Hortensia Maior
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Yes, I do. Actual compromise. It started with the IT measure.
>> And then
>> > > the bylaws committee. And the consuls could follow a page from
>> history like
>> > > Gn. Pompeius and Marcus Crassus and bury the hatchet and work
>> together
>> > > again.
>> > >
>> > > Vale,
>> > >
>> > > Sulla
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:13 AM, David Kling
>> <tau.athanasios@>wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > You're amused? I wasn't aware the senate was there for your
>> amusement. Do
>> > > > you have a better solution?
>> > > >
>> > > > Modianus
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Robert Woolwine
>> > > >
>> > > > <robert.woolwine@ <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > And I find it amusing that Caeso Fabius is unable to get his
>> agenda
>> > > > through
>> > > > > so he resorts to the dictatorship.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David Kling
>> <tau.athanasios@<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
>> > > > > >wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Cornelio Sullae Felici
>> salutem dicit
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I don't support Piscinus as master of the horse; however, I
>> do support
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > idea of a dictatorship. I don't support the idea of a "civil
>> war" but I
>> > > > > do
>> > > > > > support changes being made within Nova Roma.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Vale;
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Modianus
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>


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So that we non-citizens and citizens see who's plotting a dictatorship of
NR.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:21:35 -0500, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

> Well personally, I think we should move this debate in the open where the
> people can see who is plotting dictatorships....
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:11 PM, marcushoratius
> <MHoratius@...>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Salvete Quirites !
>>
>> I was participating in the Senate debates, unlike some senators who seem
>> elsewhere, and here I find why.
>>
>> Sulla is running a campaign to name me Magister Equitum !
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
>> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > That's unfortunate. They both should work towards it. It takes work
>> and
>> > effort on both sides.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, David Kling
>> <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Albucius and Quintilianus do not have that sort of relationship!
>> > >
>> > > Modianus
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Robert Woolwine
>> > >
>> > > <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I spoke to Maximus on the phone when I bounced you on the list. He
>> knew
>> > > > exactly what went on.
>> > > >
>> > > > That is why when I started wavering thinking I overreacted - he
>> said
>> he
>> > > > would handle it. I told him, I agreed for you to come back. The
>> issue,
>> > > > again, as I stated in the Senate is between you and Maximus. He
>> knows
>> > > > 100%
>> > > > where I stand.
>> > > >
>> > > > Fabius and I have worked together in NR for 10 years. There has
>> hardly
>> > > > been
>> > > > an argument between him and I that has lasted for more than a
>> day. If
>> > > > anything we are an example of Nova Romans who are able to get
>> along
>> > > through
>> > > > tough times and good times.
>> > > >
>> > > > Vale,
>> > > >
>> > > > Sulla
>> > >
>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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Salvete;

I would love for us to have a peaceable ML where everyone feels able to participate, talking and doing Roman and latin things!

An up-to-date IT platform & then we could buy our membership to JSTOR, and the quirites will finally have a reason for their Nova Roma dues.

I love Nova Roma and I see this as a way for us to do something positive; frankly it's got to be better than what we have right now!
di nobis favent
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "enodia2002" <walkyr@...> wrote:
>
> Instead of complaining about Sulla, why don't you put him to work? Like many others, he has skills & talents which are being wasted while NR is in need. There are tasks which need doing that could be assigned.
>
> Enodia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete Quirites !
> >
> > I was participating in the Senate debates, unlike some senators who seem elsewhere, and here I find why.
> >
> > Sulla is running a campaign to name me Magister Equitum !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's unfortunate. They both should work towards it. It takes work and
> > > effort on both sides.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Albucius and Quintilianus do not have that sort of relationship!
> > > >
> > > > Modianus
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Robert Woolwine
> > > >
> > > > <robert.woolwine@ <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I spoke to Maximus on the phone when I bounced you on the list. He knew
> > > > > exactly what went on.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is why when I started wavering thinking I overreacted - he said he
> > > > > would handle it. I told him, I agreed for you to come back. The issue,
> > > > > again, as I stated in the Senate is between you and Maximus. He knows
> > > > > 100%
> > > > > where I stand.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fabius and I have worked together in NR for 10 years. There has hardly
> > > > > been
> > > > > an argument between him and I that has lasted for more than a day. If
> > > > > anything we are an example of Nova Romans who are able to get along
> > > > through
> > > > > tough times and good times.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

C. Maria Caeca marca Hortensiae omnibusque Salutam plurimam dicit.

Who is proud to be a member of Nova Roma, today? I am, without reservation. Do I agree with everything I read, or with everything that is being discussed? No, and I may choose to discuss that later, after considerable thought. Do I think we have issues and problems to resolve? Of course I do ...I lost my rose colored glasses about 30 years ago. However ...I *also* believe in what (in my view, of course), we are trying to do, and I *do* have confidence that, ultimately, we will succeed, perhaps in spite of ourselves. So ...I say again, as clearly as I can, that I, C. Maria Caeca am proud to be a citizen of the Res Publica of Nova Roma ...and that I will serve my Res Publica in whatever small and insignificant ways I can.

Vale et valete,
C. Maria Caeca

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<<--- On Thu, 7/22/10, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...> wrote:

Salvete omnes

To my fellow Nova Romans

If nominated I shall not run; if elected, I shall not serve; if appointed by a dictator as Magister Equitum, well, I shall have to offer Sulla appropriate thanks for making it all possible with his campaign to name me Master of the Horse. Thank you, Sulla. No, really, thank you.

Really, I didn't know I was in the running for an office that doesn't exist, until you brought it up. Was this part of your theoretical plan, too?>>
 
 
ROFL
From my sick bed, I thank you, Sulla, for the best laugh I have had in a quite some time. You nominated Piscinus for an office that doesn't even exist.. LOL You even ran a campaign for him? Oh, too funny.
I wish I could read your answer, but I no longer get your posts since I blocked your email after you sent me that obscene email because of the intercessio I pronounced against Albucius. Granted, you may not have liked what I did, but that didn't give you the right to send an obscene email to a Tribune, even less to a Vestal, but I suspect neither means anything to you.
Even so, thank you for the laugh.
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina




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<<--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato Maiori sal.

I will always be proud to be Roman.

Everything else, we can fix.>>
 
 
 
Oh, now we can fix everything? That's rich coming from the one who complains the most about everything. And just how do we get anything done if Albucius is going to veto everything Quintilianus wants to present to the Senate or the Citizens? If Albucius messes up elections because he refuses to take auspices correctly? And how proud a Nova Roman can anyone be if the Boni are allowed to bully and insult even Vestals and their Sacred Office? 
 
If I had more energy, I would list more of the Boni crap that has infested Nova Roma since I joined and even before, as I discovered when I read the words of Nova Roma's first Vestal, Flavia Claudia Juliana (who was also a Senatrix and candidate for Consul!). Perhaps Citizens should do themselves a huge favor and read what she had to say about Sulla and Fabius Maximus when Nova Roma was only a year old. In fact, reading what she says of Sulla and Fabius Maximus, one realizes they haven't changed a bit - still the same old crap now as then, the same old pretense at "innocence", the same empty claims, the same ploys of doublespeak, half-truths and reversal of facts, the same old lies!
 
They drove Claudia Juliana out of Nova Roma. They drove two of my Vestal apprentices away, too. Citizens, ask yourselves why do they insult the Vestals? Why do they try to drive them away? Could it be that because without Vestals, you cannot have a new Roma? They have been insulting the Vestals from the beginning of Nova Roma! 
 
Now they try and paint everyone else but themselves as the ones who plot coups. Ha!The real plot-makers have always been the Boni who have been plotting the demise of NR since 1999! Don't take my word for it. Let Nova Roma's first Virgo Maxima, who discovered their sordid attempt at a coup, tell you the truth in her own words of the kind of people Sulla, Fabius Maximus and their Boni friends really are. Pay particular attention to her last sentence:
 
 
"Suddenly, Senatrix Flavia Claudia Iuliana drops an explosive letter, with denouncements involving various magistrates in a "coup d'etat", and renounces from her duties and citizenship. (Messsage 6970)
 
[...] it was supposed to be kept a secret until a 7-page "indictment"of [the Censores] Cassius and Palladius appeared, out of the blue, on the list, calling for their "impeachment." This had been going on for months, behind the scenes, with the "coalition" writing the indictment...
 
This was done by a "coalition of priests and magistrates" put together by Cincinnatus. Or -- at least -- with Cincinnatus' name on it, so that he could take the heat if something went wrong, which it did. The three of us who were made aware of it and were supposed to publicly sign it (not the same people who drafted it) were told that we "could guess who the priests and magistrates were". We sure could.
It was supposed to have been an "open letter" that we were being asked to sign. Instead, we were forwarded this silly "indictment". I'd post it, but it was pretty much a character assassination of Cassius and Palladius. If Cassius wouldn't resign as Censor, he was threatened with forcible removal as Pontifex Maximus. We front men should have caught on the minute we were told "but, this isn't a coup d'etat!". 
If you folks think the Senate is secretive, you should have known about THESE backstage maneuvers. And now the main perpetrators are crying that they knew nothing about anything. The plan was that Cassus and Palladius be removed from government, that Cincinnatus would take over as sole Consul, that Sulla would be the next Consul, and that Fabius would be his co-consul, and Gangalius would control the website and the e-list.
The whole thing never got to the list because the coup failed before it could be posted. The "articles of impeachment" got to Cassius and Palladius (who werent' supposed to have been informed beforehand, so the entire enterprise would have a better chance of succeeding).
Now the perpetrators are informing us almost hourly of their innocence. Sulla even goes so far to plead that he has no online access at home recently. 
How do I know? I WAS THERE, FOLKS! I was supposed to be one of the four "front men" who would actually SIGN the "impeachment articles", thereby putting OUR names on it while Sulla, Gangalius and Fabius sat back and protested innocence, then came forward to "save Nova Roma." It took only about an hour for them to form a new list, a new website, and a new group called "Roma Respublica". 
Oh, and trying to convince honorable but gullible Graecus (who knew nothing about this beforehand, like almost all of you) that they were innocent, so he'd stick up for them and lend them credibility.
Cassi and the corporate owners of the list (who are responsible and accountable to the State of Maine, especially for the funds collected by Nova Roma) shut down the website and list temporarily in order to try to decide what to do. I don't think it's unfair to expect that Cassi was very, very hurt and reacted accordingly.
It was really kind of slick. And if Cassius and Palladius hadn't found out, none of us would be having this conversation. Instead, we'd be hailing the new Triumverate. The thing is: they did this just for shits and grins, to prove they could and to play power games."
 

http://web.archive org/web/20070114 064623/www. novaroma. org/annales/ 2752/coup. html 
 
There are no plots save those hatched in the depraved minds of the Boni.
 
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis
Virgo Maxima  




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oh I love the history...especially when it is wrong..Tribune. But then you
are probably getting your information from Piscinus so much is to be
expected. If you actually knew about NR during the time of the Civil
War.....Cincinnatus was banished. I became Consul (my collague was Decius
Iunius Palladius Invictus - you know the one I supposed plotted against -
and he gave me the Agnomen of distinction Felix and I gave him the agnomen
of distinction Invictus) in his stead....Fabius became Consul the year after
me. If him or I were REMOTELY involved in the coup we would have been
banished like Cincinnatus. Sorry Tribune, but much like Flavia Claudia at
the time - your facts are WRONG.

No one needs to look at the real plotters of NR than squarely at you, and
the soon to be Master of the Horse Piscinus.

Let us not forget who got us here. The failed Consul Caeso Fabius - the one
who is SO incompetent that he has to resort to a dictator because he cannot
work with his colleague.

Vale

Sulla

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> <<--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Cato <catoinnyc@... <catoinnyc%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> I will always be proud to be Roman.
>
> Everything else, we can fix.>>
>
>
>
> Oh, now we can fix everything? That's rich coming from the one who
> complains the most about everything. And just how do we get anything done if
> Albucius is going to veto everything Quintilianus wants to present to the
> Senate or the Citizens? If Albucius messes up elections because he refuses
> to take auspices correctly? And how proud a Nova Roman can anyone be if the
> Boni are allowed to bully and insult even Vestals and their Sacred Office?
>
> If I had more energy, I would list more of the Boni crap that has infested
> Nova Roma since I joined and even before, as I discovered when I read the
> words of Nova Roma's first Vestal, Flavia Claudia Juliana (who was also a
> Senatrix and candidate for Consul!). Perhaps Citizens should do themselves a
> huge favor and read what she had to say about Sulla and Fabius Maximus when
> Nova Roma was only a year old. In fact, reading what she says of Sulla and
> Fabius Maximus, one realizes they haven't changed a bit - still the same old
> crap now as then, the same old pretense at "innocence", the same empty
> claims, the same ploys of doublespeak, half-truths and reversal of facts,
> the same old lies!
>
> They drove Claudia Juliana out of Nova Roma. They drove two of my Vestal
> apprentices away, too. Citizens, ask yourselves why do they insult the
> Vestals? Why do they try to drive them away? Could it be that because
> without Vestals, you cannot have a new Roma? They have been insulting the
> Vestals from the beginning of Nova Roma!
>
> Now they try and paint everyone else but themselves as the ones who plot
> coups. Ha!The real plot-makers have always been the Boni who have been
> plotting the demise of NR since 1999! Don't take my word for it. Let Nova
> Roma's first Virgo Maxima, who discovered their sordid attempt at a
> coup, tell you the truth in her own words of the kind of people Sulla,
> Fabius Maximus and their Boni friends really are. Pay particular attention
> to her last sentence:
>
>
> "Suddenly, Senatrix Flavia Claudia Iuliana drops an explosive letter, with
> denouncements involving various magistrates in a "coup d'etat", and
> renounces from her duties and citizenship. (Messsage 6970)
>
> [...] it was supposed to be kept a secret until a 7-page "indictment"of
> [the Censores] Cassius and Palladius appeared, out of the blue, on the list,
> calling for their "impeachment." This had been going on for months, behind
> the scenes, with the "coalition" writing the indictment...
>
> This was done by a "coalition of priests and magistrates" put together by
> Cincinnatus. Or -- at least -- with Cincinnatus' name on it, so that he
> could take the heat if something went wrong, which it did. The three of us
> who were made aware of it and were supposed to publicly sign it (not the
> same people who drafted it) were told that we "could guess who the priests
> and magistrates were". We sure could.
> It was supposed to have been an "open letter" that we were being asked to
> sign. Instead, we were forwarded this silly "indictment". I'd post it, but
> it was pretty much a character assassination of Cassius and Palladius. If
> Cassius wouldn't resign as Censor, he was threatened with forcible removal
> as Pontifex Maximus. We front men should have caught on the minute we were
> told "but, this isn't a coup d'etat!".
> If you folks think the Senate is secretive, you should have known about
> THESE backstage maneuvers. And now the main perpetrators are crying that
> they knew nothing about anything. The plan was that Cassus and Palladius be
> removed from government, that Cincinnatus would take over as sole Consul,
> that Sulla would be the next Consul, and that Fabius would be his co-consul,
> and Gangalius would control the website and the e-list.
> The whole thing never got to the list because the coup failed before it
> could be posted. The "articles of impeachment" got to Cassius and Palladius
> (who werent' supposed to have been informed beforehand, so the entire
> enterprise would have a better chance of succeeding).
> Now the perpetrators are informing us almost hourly of their innocence.
> Sulla even goes so far to plead that he has no online access at home
> recently.
> How do I know? I WAS THERE, FOLKS! I was supposed to be one of the four
> "front men" who would actually SIGN the "impeachment articles", thereby
> putting OUR names on it while Sulla, Gangalius and Fabius sat back and
> protested innocence, then came forward to "save Nova Roma." It took only
> about an hour for them to form a new list, a new website, and a new group
> called "Roma Respublica".
> Oh, and trying to convince honorable but gullible Graecus (who knew nothing
> about this beforehand, like almost all of you) that they were innocent, so
> he'd stick up for them and lend them credibility.
> Cassi and the corporate owners of the list (who are responsible and
> accountable to the State of Maine, especially for the funds collected by
> Nova Roma) shut down the website and list temporarily in order to try to
> decide what to do. I don't think it's unfair to expect that Cassi was very,
> very hurt and reacted accordingly.
> It was really kind of slick. And if Cassius and Palladius hadn't found out,
> none of us would be having this conversation. Instead, we'd be hailing the
> new Triumverate. The thing is: they did this just for shits and grins, to
> prove they could and to play power games."
>
>
> http://web.archive org/web/20070114 064623/www. novaroma. org/annales/
> 2752/coup. html
>
> There are no plots save those hatched in the depraved minds of the Boni.
>
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
> Virgo Maxima
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

<<--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

Cato Maiori sal.

I will always be proud to be Roman.

Everything else, we can fix.>>
 
 
 
Oh, now we can fix everything? That's rich coming from the one who complains the most about everything. And just how do we get anything done if Albucius is going to veto everything Quintilianus wants to present to the Senate or the Citizens? If Albucius messes up elections because he refuses to take auspices correctly? And how proud a Nova Roman can anyone be if the Boni are allowed to bully and insult even Vestals and their Sacred Office? 
 
If I had more energy, I would list more of the Boni crap that has infested Nova Roma since I joined and even before, as I discovered when I read the words of Nova Roma's first Vestal, Flavia Claudia Juliana (who was also a Senatrix and candidate for Consul!). Perhaps Citizens should do themselves a huge favor and read what she had to say about Sulla and Fabius Maximus when Nova Roma was only a year old. In fact, reading what she says of Sulla and Fabius Maximus, one realizes they haven't changed a bit - still the same old crap now as then, the same old pretense at "innocence", the same empty claims, the same ploys of doublespeak, half-truths and reversal of facts, the same old lies!
 
They drove Claudia Juliana out of Nova Roma. They drove two of my Vestal apprentices away, too. Citizens, ask yourselves why do they insult the Vestals? Why do they try to drive them away? Could it be that because without Vestals, you cannot have a new Roma? They have been insulting the Vestals from the beginning of Nova Roma! 
 
Now they try and paint everyone else but themselves as the ones who plot coups. Ha!The real plot-makers have always been the Boni who have been plotting the demise of NR since 1999! Don't take my word for it. Let Nova Roma's first Virgo Maxima, who discovered their sordid attempt at a coup, tell you the truth in her own words of the kind of people Sulla, Fabius Maximus and their Boni friends really are. Pay particular attention to her last sentence:
 
 
"Suddenly, Senatrix Flavia Claudia Iuliana drops an explosive letter, with denouncements involving various magistrates in a "coup d'etat", and renounces from her duties and citizenship. (Messsage 6970)
 
[...] it was supposed to be kept a secret until a 7-page "indictment"of [the Censores] Cassius and Palladius appeared, out of the blue, on the list, calling for their "impeachment." This had been going on for months, behind the scenes, with the "coalition" writing the indictment...
 
This was done by a "coalition of priests and magistrates" put together by Cincinnatus. Or -- at least -- with Cincinnatus' name on it, so that he could take the heat if something went wrong, which it did. The three of us who were made aware of it and were supposed to publicly sign it (not the same people who drafted it) were told that we "could guess who the priests and magistrates were". We sure could.
It was supposed to have been an "open letter" that we were being asked to sign. Instead, we were forwarded this silly "indictment". I'd post it, but it was pretty much a character assassination of Cassius and Palladius. If Cassius wouldn't resign as Censor, he was threatened with forcible removal as Pontifex Maximus. We front men should have caught on the minute we were told "but, this isn't a coup d'etat!". 
If you folks think the Senate is secretive, you should have known about THESE backstage maneuvers. And now the main perpetrators are crying that they knew nothing about anything. The plan was that Cassus and Palladius be removed from government, that Cincinnatus would take over as sole Consul, that Sulla would be the next Consul, and that Fabius would be his co-consul, and Gangalius would control the website and the e-list.
The whole thing never got to the list because the coup failed before it could be posted. The "articles of impeachment" got to Cassius and Palladius (who werent' supposed to have been informed beforehand, so the entire enterprise would have a better chance of succeeding).
Now the perpetrators are informing us almost hourly of their innocence. Sulla even goes so far to plead that he has no online access at home recently. 
How do I know? I WAS THERE, FOLKS! I was supposed to be one of the four "front men" who would actually SIGN the "impeachment articles", thereby putting OUR names on it while Sulla, Gangalius and Fabius sat back and protested innocence, then came forward to "save Nova Roma." It took only about an hour for them to form a new list, a new website, and a new group called "Roma Respublica". 
Oh, and trying to convince honorable but gullible Graecus (who knew nothing about this beforehand, like almost all of you) that they were innocent, so he'd stick up for them and lend them credibility.
Cassi and the corporate owners of the list (who are responsible and accountable to the State of Maine, especially for the funds collected by Nova Roma) shut down the website and list temporarily in order to try to decide what to do. I don't think it's unfair to expect that Cassi was very, very hurt and reacted accordingly.
It was really kind of slick. And if Cassius and Palladius hadn't found out, none of us would be having this conversation. Instead, we'd be hailing the new Triumverate. The thing is: they did this just for sh--ts and grins, to prove they could and to play power games."
 

http://web.archive org/web/20070114 064623/www. novaroma. org/annales/ 2752/coup. html 
 
There are no plots save those hatched in the depraved minds of the Boni.
 
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis
Virgo Maxima  




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oh I love the history...especially when it is wrong..Tribune. But then you
are probably getting your information from Piscinus so much is to be
expected. If you actually knew about NR during the time of the Civil
War.....Cincinnatus was banished. I became Consul (my collague was Decius
Iunius Palladius Invictus - you know the one I supposed plotted against -
and he gave me the Agnomen of distinction Felix and I gave him the agnomen
of distinction Invictus) in his stead....Fabius became Consul the year after
me. If him or I were REMOTELY involved in the coup we would have been
banished like Cincinnatus. Sorry Tribune, but much like Flavia Claudia at
the time - your facts are WRONG.

No one needs to look at the real plotters of NR than squarely at you, and
the soon to be Master of the Horse Piscinus.

Let us not forget who got us here. The failed Consul Caeso Fabius - the one
who is SO incompetent that he has to resort to a dictator because he cannot
work with his colleague.

Vale

Sulla

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> <<--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Cato <catoinnyc@... <catoinnyc%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> I will always be proud to be Roman.
>
> Everything else, we can fix.>>
>
>
>
> Oh, now we can fix everything? That's rich coming from the one who
> complains the most about everything. And just how do we get anything done if
> Albucius is going to veto everything Quintilianus wants to present to the
> Senate or the Citizens? If Albucius messes up elections because he refuses
> to take auspices correctly? And how proud a Nova Roman can anyone be if the
> Boni are allowed to bully and insult even Vestals and their Sacred Office?
>
> If I had more energy, I would list more of the Boni crap that has infested
> Nova Roma since I joined and even before, as I discovered when I read the
> words of Nova Roma's first Vestal, Flavia Claudia Juliana (who was also a
> Senatrix and candidate for Consul!). Perhaps Citizens should do themselves a
> huge favor and read what she had to say about Sulla and Fabius Maximus when
> Nova Roma was only a year old. In fact, reading what she says of Sulla and
> Fabius Maximus, one realizes they haven't changed a bit - still the same old
> crap now as then, the same old pretense at "innocence", the same empty
> claims, the same ploys of doublespeak, half-truths and reversal of facts,
> the same old lies!
>
> They drove Claudia Juliana out of Nova Roma. They drove two of my Vestal
> apprentices away, too. Citizens, ask yourselves why do they insult the
> Vestals? Why do they try to drive them away? Could it be that because
> without Vestals, you cannot have a new Roma? They have been insulting the
> Vestals from the beginning of Nova Roma!
>
> Now they try and paint everyone else but themselves as the ones who plot
> coups. Ha!The real plot-makers have always been the Boni who have been
> plotting the demise of NR since 1999! Don't take my word for it. Let Nova
> Roma's first Virgo Maxima, who discovered their sordid attempt at a
> coup, tell you the truth in her own words of the kind of people Sulla,
> Fabius Maximus and their Boni friends really are. Pay particular attention
> to her last sentence:
>
>
> "Suddenly, Senatrix Flavia Claudia Iuliana drops an explosive letter, with
> denouncements involving various magistrates in a "coup d'etat", and
> renounces from her duties and citizenship. (Messsage 6970)
>
> [...] it was supposed to be kept a secret until a 7-page "indictment"of
> [the Censores] Cassius and Palladius appeared, out of the blue, on the list,
> calling for their "impeachment." This had been going on for months, behind
> the scenes, with the "coalition" writing the indictment...
>
> This was done by a "coalition of priests and magistrates" put together by
> Cincinnatus. Or -- at least -- with Cincinnatus' name on it, so that he
> could take the heat if something went wrong, which it did. The three of us
> who were made aware of it and were supposed to publicly sign it (not the
> same people who drafted it) were told that we "could guess who the priests
> and magistrates were". We sure could.
> It was supposed to have been an "open letter" that we were being asked to
> sign. Instead, we were forwarded this silly "indictment". I'd post it, but
> it was pretty much a character assassination of Cassius and Palladius. If
> Cassius wouldn't resign as Censor, he was threatened with forcible removal
> as Pontifex Maximus. We front men should have caught on the minute we were
> told "but, this isn't a coup d'etat!".
> If you folks think the Senate is secretive, you should have known about
> THESE backstage maneuvers. And now the main perpetrators are crying that
> they knew nothing about anything. The plan was that Cassus and Palladius be
> removed from government, that Cincinnatus would take over as sole Consul,
> that Sulla would be the next Consul, and that Fabius would be his co-consul,
> and Gangalius would control the website and the e-list.
> The whole thing never got to the list because the coup failed before it
> could be posted. The "articles of impeachment" got to Cassius and Palladius
> (who werent' supposed to have been informed beforehand, so the entire
> enterprise would have a better chance of succeeding).
> Now the perpetrators are informing us almost hourly of their innocence.
> Sulla even goes so far to plead that he has no online access at home
> recently.
> How do I know? I WAS THERE, FOLKS! I was supposed to be one of the four
> "front men" who would actually SIGN the "impeachment articles", thereby
> putting OUR names on it while Sulla, Gangalius and Fabius sat back and
> protested innocence, then came forward to "save Nova Roma." It took only
> about an hour for them to form a new list, a new website, and a new group
> called "Roma Respublica".
> Oh, and trying to convince honorable but gullible Graecus (who knew nothing
> about this beforehand, like almost all of you) that they were innocent, so
> he'd stick up for them and lend them credibility.
> Cassi and the corporate owners of the list (who are responsible and
> accountable to the State of Maine, especially for the funds collected by
> Nova Roma) shut down the website and list temporarily in order to try to
> decide what to do. I don't think it's unfair to expect that Cassi was very,
> very hurt and reacted accordingly.
> It was really kind of slick. And if Cassius and Palladius hadn't found out,
> none of us would be having this conversation. Instead, we'd be hailing the
> new Triumverate. The thing is: they did this just for sh--ts and grins, to
> prove they could and to play power games."
>
>
> http://web.archive org/web/20070114 064623/www. novaroma. org/annales/
> 2752/coup. html
>
> There are no plots save those hatched in the depraved minds of the Boni.
>
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
> Virgo Maxima
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't how many times it's been said but the Boni no longer exist. They
disbanded years ago. I have NEVER been a member of the Boni so don't even
hint that I am. The Boni are the scary boogymen of NR. Blame the Boni!
Everything is the fault of the Boni Boogymen. It's all crap!

Quintus Servilius Priscus

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> <<--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> I will always be proud to be Roman.
>
> Everything else, we can fix.>>
>
>
>
> Oh, now we can fix everything? That's rich coming from the one who
> complains the most about everything. And just how do we get anything done if
> Albucius is going to veto everything Quintilianus wants to present to the
> Senate or the Citizens? If Albucius messes up elections because he refuses
> to take auspices correctly? And how proud a Nova Roman can anyone be if the
> Boni are allowed to bully and insult even Vestals and their Sacred Office?
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

When I first joined, the Boni kept trying to pretend they didn't even exist. Fooled no one.
So they don't want to be called the Boni anymore? Fine. Whatever. Still the same lot, with the same ploys and the same lies.
 
 
 
 

--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Charlie <byzandroid@...> wrote:


From: Charlie <byzandroid@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The real plot-makers
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 6:38 PM


 



I don't how many times it's been said but the Boni no longer exist. They
disbanded years ago. I have NEVER been a member of the Boni so don't even
hint that I am. The Boni are the scary boogymen of NR. Blame the Boni!
Everything is the fault of the Boni Boogymen. It's all crap!

Quintus Servilius Priscus

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> <<--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> I will always be proud to be Roman.
>
> Everything else, we can fix.>>
>
>
>
> Oh, now we can fix everything? That's rich coming from the one who
> complains the most about everything. And just how do we get anything done if
> Albucius is going to veto everything Quintilianus wants to present to the
> Senate or the Citizens? If Albucius messes up elections because he refuses
> to take auspices correctly? And how proud a Nova Roman can anyone be if the
> Boni are allowed to bully and insult even Vestals and their Sacred Office?
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sorry the link didn't work in either email I posted. It does take a few minutes for the page to open. I hope I got the link to work now:
 
http://web.archive org/web/20070114 064623/www. novaroma. org/annales/ 2752/coup. html




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cato Messallinae sal.

wow.

Maybe you should just have some warm milk and a lie down.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> <<--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Maiori sal.
>
> I will always be proud to be Roman.
>
> Everything else, we can fix.>>
>  
>  
>  
> Oh, now we can fix everything? That's rich coming from the one who complains the most about everything. And just how do we get anything done if Albucius is going to veto everything Quintilianus wants to present to the Senate or the Citizens? If Albucius messes up elections because he refuses to take auspices correctly? And how proud a Nova Roman can anyone be if the Boni are allowed to bully and insult even Vestals and their Sacred Office? 
>  
> If I had more energy, I would list more of the Boni crap that has infested Nova Roma since I joined and even before, as I discovered when I read the words of Nova Roma's first Vestal, Flavia Claudia Juliana (who was also a Senatrix and candidate for Consul!). Perhaps Citizens should do themselves a huge favor and read what she had to say about Sulla and Fabius Maximus when Nova Roma was only a year old. In fact, reading what she says of Sulla and Fabius Maximus, one realizes they haven't changed a bit - still the same old crap now as then, the same old pretense at "innocence", the same empty claims, the same ploys of doublespeak, half-truths and reversal of facts, the same old lies!
>  
> They drove Claudia Juliana out of Nova Roma. They drove two of my Vestal apprentices away, too. Citizens, ask yourselves why do they insult the Vestals? Why do they try to drive them away? Could it be that because without Vestals, you cannot have a new Roma? They have been insulting the Vestals from the beginning of Nova Roma! 
>  
> Now they try and paint everyone else but themselves as the ones who plot coups. Ha!The real plot-makers have always been the Boni who have been plotting the demise of NR since 1999! Don't take my word for it. Let Nova Roma's first Virgo Maxima, who discovered their sordid attempt at a coup, tell you the truth in her own words of the kind of people Sulla, Fabius Maximus and their Boni friends really are. Pay particular attention to her last sentence:
>  
>  
> "Suddenly, Senatrix Flavia Claudia Iuliana drops an explosive letter, with denouncements involving various magistrates in a "coup d'etat", and renounces from her duties and citizenship. (Messsage 6970)
>  
> [...] it was supposed to be kept a secret until a 7-page "indictment"of [the Censores] Cassius and Palladius appeared, out of the blue, on the list, calling for their "impeachment." This had been going on for months, behind the scenes, with the "coalition" writing the indictment...
>  
> This was done by a "coalition of priests and magistrates" put together by Cincinnatus. Or -- at least -- with Cincinnatus' name on it, so that he could take the heat if something went wrong, which it did. The three of us who were made aware of it and were supposed to publicly sign it (not the same people who drafted it) were told that we "could guess who the priests and magistrates were". We sure could.
> It was supposed to have been an "open letter" that we were being asked to sign. Instead, we were forwarded this silly "indictment". I'd post it, but it was pretty much a character assassination of Cassius and Palladius. If Cassius wouldn't resign as Censor, he was threatened with forcible removal as Pontifex Maximus. We front men should have caught on the minute we were told "but, this isn't a coup d'etat!". 
> If you folks think the Senate is secretive, you should have known about THESE backstage maneuvers. And now the main perpetrators are crying that they knew nothing about anything. The plan was that Cassus and Palladius be removed from government, that Cincinnatus would take over as sole Consul, that Sulla would be the next Consul, and that Fabius would be his co-consul, and Gangalius would control the website and the e-list.
> The whole thing never got to the list because the coup failed before it could be posted. The "articles of impeachment" got to Cassius and Palladius (who werent' supposed to have been informed beforehand, so the entire enterprise would have a better chance of succeeding).
> Now the perpetrators are informing us almost hourly of their innocence. Sulla even goes so far to plead that he has no online access at home recently. 
> How do I know? I WAS THERE, FOLKS! I was supposed to be one of the four "front men" who would actually SIGN the "impeachment articles", thereby putting OUR names on it while Sulla, Gangalius and Fabius sat back and protested innocence, then came forward to "save Nova Roma." It took only about an hour for them to form a new list, a new website, and a new group called "Roma Respublica". 
> Oh, and trying to convince honorable but gullible Graecus (who knew nothing about this beforehand, like almost all of you) that they were innocent, so he'd stick up for them and lend them credibility.
> Cassi and the corporate owners of the list (who are responsible and accountable to the State of Maine, especially for the funds collected by Nova Roma) shut down the website and list temporarily in order to try to decide what to do. I don't think it's unfair to expect that Cassi was very, very hurt and reacted accordingly.
> It was really kind of slick. And if Cassius and Palladius hadn't found out, none of us would be having this conversation. Instead, we'd be hailing the new Triumverate. The thing is: they did this just for shits and grins, to prove they could and to play power games."
>  
>
> http://web.archive org/web/20070114 064623/www. novaroma. org/annales/ 2752/coup. html 
>  
> There are no plots save those hatched in the depraved minds of the Boni.
>  
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
> Virgo Maxima  
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I don't think she realizes that she is defending the actual people who GOT
RID of Cassius! Especially Piscinus who threatened to go to Cassius own
home and arrest him. The irony it stings the eyes!

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

>
>
> Cato Messallinae sal.
>
> wow.
>
> Maybe you should just have some warm milk and a lie down.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Maxima
> Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <<--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Maiori sal.
> >
> > I will always be proud to be Roman.
> >
> > Everything else, we can fix.>>
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, now we can fix everything? That's rich coming from the one who
> complains the most about everything. And just how do we get anything done if
> Albucius is going to veto everything Quintilianus wants to present to the
> Senate or the Citizens? If Albucius messes up elections because he refuses
> to take auspices correctly? And how proud a Nova Roman can anyone be if the
> Boni are allowed to bully and insult even Vestals and their Sacred Office?
> >
> > If I had more energy, I would list more of the Boni crap that has
> infested Nova Roma since I joined and even before, as I discovered when I
> read the words of Nova Roma's first Vestal, Flavia Claudia Juliana (who was
> also a Senatrix and candidate for Consul!). Perhaps Citizens should do
> themselves a huge favor and read what she had to say about Sulla and Fabius
> Maximus when Nova Roma was only a year old. In fact, reading what she says
> of Sulla and Fabius Maximus, one realizes they haven't changed a bit - still
> the same old crap now as then, the same old pretense at "innocence", the
> same empty claims, the same ploys of doublespeak, half-truths and reversal
> of facts, the same old lies!
> >
> > They drove Claudia Juliana out of Nova Roma. They drove two of my Vestal
> apprentices away, too. Citizens, ask yourselves why do they insult the
> Vestals? Why do they try to drive them away? Could it be that because
> without Vestals, you cannot have a new Roma? They have been insulting the
> Vestals from the beginning of Nova Roma!
> >
> > Now they try and paint everyone else but themselves as the ones who plot
> coups. Ha!The real plot-makers have always been the Boni who have been
> plotting the demise of NR since 1999! Don't take my word for it. Let Nova
> Roma's first Virgo Maxima, who discovered their sordid attempt at a
> coup, tell you the truth in her own words of the kind of people Sulla,
> Fabius Maximus and their Boni friends really are. Pay particular attention
> to her last sentence:
> >
> >
> > "Suddenly, Senatrix Flavia Claudia Iuliana drops an explosive letter,
> with denouncements involving various magistrates in a "coup d'etat", and
> renounces from her duties and citizenship. (Messsage 6970)
> >
> > [...] it was supposed to be kept a secret until a 7-page "indictment"of
> [the Censores] Cassius and Palladius appeared, out of the blue, on the list,
> calling for their "impeachment." This had been going on for months, behind
> the scenes, with the "coalition" writing the indictment...
> >
> > This was done by a "coalition of priests and magistrates" put together by
> Cincinnatus. Or -- at least -- with Cincinnatus' name on it, so that he
> could take the heat if something went wrong, which it did. The three of us
> who were made aware of it and were supposed to publicly sign it (not the
> same people who drafted it) were told that we "could guess who the priests
> and magistrates were". We sure could.
> > It was supposed to have been an "open letter" that we were being asked to
> sign. Instead, we were forwarded this silly "indictment". I'd post it, but
> it was pretty much a character assassination of Cassius and Palladius. If
> Cassius wouldn't resign as Censor, he was threatened with forcible removal
> as Pontifex Maximus. We front men should have caught on the minute we were
> told "but, this isn't a coup d'etat!".
> > If you folks think the Senate is secretive, you should have known about
> THESE backstage maneuvers. And now the main perpetrators are crying that
> they knew nothing about anything. The plan was that Cassus and Palladius be
> removed from government, that Cincinnatus would take over as sole Consul,
> that Sulla would be the next Consul, and that Fabius would be his co-consul,
> and Gangalius would control the website and the e-list.
> > The whole thing never got to the list because the coup failed before it
> could be posted. The "articles of impeachment" got to Cassius and Palladius
> (who werent' supposed to have been informed beforehand, so the entire
> enterprise would have a better chance of succeeding).
> > Now the perpetrators are informing us almost hourly of their innocence.
> Sulla even goes so far to plead that he has no online access at home
> recently.
> > How do I know? I WAS THERE, FOLKS! I was supposed to be one of the four
> "front men" who would actually SIGN the "impeachment articles", thereby
> putting OUR names on it while Sulla, Gangalius and Fabius sat back and
> protested innocence, then came forward to "save Nova Roma." It took only
> about an hour for them to form a new list, a new website, and a new group
> called "Roma Respublica".
> > Oh, and trying to convince honorable but gullible Graecus (who knew
> nothing about this beforehand, like almost all of you) that they were
> innocent, so he'd stick up for them and lend them credibility.
> > Cassi and the corporate owners of the list (who are responsible and
> accountable to the State of Maine, especially for the funds collected by
> Nova Roma) shut down the website and list temporarily in order to try to
> decide what to do. I don't think it's unfair to expect that Cassi was very,
> very hurt and reacted accordingly.
> > It was really kind of slick. And if Cassius and Palladius hadn't found
> out, none of us would be having this conversation. Instead, we'd be hailing
> the new Triumverate. The thing is: they did this just for shits and grins,
> to prove they could and to play power games."
> >
> >
> > http://web.archive org/web/20070114 064623/www. novaroma. org/annales/
> 2752/coup. html
> >
> > There are no plots save those hatched in the depraved minds of the Boni.
> >
> >
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> > Sacerdos Vestalis
> > Virgo Maxima
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve

try just the last part http://www.novaroma.org/annales/2752/coup.html

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry the link didn't work in either email I posted. It does take a few minutes for the page to open. I hope I got the link to work now:
>  
> http://web.archive org/web/20070114 064623/www. novaroma. org/annales/ 2752/coup. html
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Good point. That is why I went to the best, clean place to get the tattoo.
As long as it's Miller Cotton's that is. Don't do the tattoos yourself. I
made messy ones and offended the Catholic Priest with the anarchy sign
when I showed it to him. Don't ever do tattoos yourself, ever. You get
scars, a ticket to the psych ward as the result of self-tattooing without
the licensed professional, and if you have a mother with AIDs or Hep. B,
you could get it from you. And the licensed professional must use an
another needle if he wants to be safe.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:26:54 -0500, A. Tullia Scholastica
<fororom@...> wrote:

>>
>>
>> A. Tullia Scholastica Neroni S.P.D.
>>
>>
>> Salve,
>> Why? I do not consider tattoos do be defacement
>>
>>
>> ATS: Generally speaking, Indo-Europeans did not practice tattooing
>> or any
>> form of bodily mutilation (piercing, scarification, knocking out teeth
>> as a
>> puberty ritual, circumcision...). As Senator Q. Fabius Maximus pointed
>> out,
>> tattooing was a Scythian custom. In turn, that may have carried over
>> to (or
>> from) the Amerinds and Pacific Islanders.
>>
>>
>> They are another way of
>> expressing my art and my beliefs. As for infections I am extremely well
>> versed
>> in taking care of tattoos, my mom my sister and I all have them and
>> with the
>> precautions we used(at my instruction) not one of ours have ever gotten
>> infected.
>>
>> ATS: Here we have had instances in which the tattoo artist (or
>> whatever
>> they are called) used dirty needles (or was himself infected), and
>> given the
>> presence of incurable diseases which can be blood-borne, methinks that
>> the
>> greater part of wisdom is to avoid anything which might contribute to
>> the
>> spread of AIDS, hepatitis, etc., etc.
>>
>> I majored in art in high school as well as Latin, and my junior
>> high art
>> teacher is a prominent local watercolorist. I doubt either of us thinks
>> tattoos are wonderfully attractive; I must say that while some are quite
>> beautifully done, I would prefer to see these images on canvas or
>> paper; on
>> human skin, the attractiveness disappears. Meá sententiá.
>>
>>
>> As for pain, pain is a way of life, I mean walking down the street I
>> could
>> trip
>> and be in pain does that mean I shall lock up in my house to avoid it?
>>
>> ATS: Mother Nature may well provide you with pain emanating solely
>> from
>> your own body when you get a little older. I had a 15 year old home
>> instruction student with rheumatoid arthritis, and that does not lack
>> in pain,
>> even in one so young.
>>
>>
>> I thank you for your translation I'm going to just do the SPQR though I
>> think
>> because I think too many people will confuse DEIS with one god not
>> plural
>> which
>> of course is the whole point.
>>
>> ATS: You¹re welcome. Deis is plural; the singular is Deo. Anyone
>> raised
>> Catholic who has heard a proper Tridentine Mass will know very well
>> that Deo
>> is singular... (Deum de Deo, lumen de lumine, genitum, non factum,
>> consubstantialem Patri...). A good many Latinists got their start in
>> the
>> field from listening to that sort of thing every Sunday...not all
>> remained RC,
>> but all acquired a love of Latin.
>>
>> If more schools offered Latin, and more people took it (as they did
>> in my
>> day), they, too, would understand the grammatical distinction between
>> deis and
>> deo. We do offer courses in the subject, in part to make up for this
>> deficiency in education.
>>
>> DTIC
>> Nero
>>
>> Di te incolumem custodiant.
>>
>> Vale, et valete.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...
>> <mailto:fororom%40localnet.com> >
>> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 1:24:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Romans Speaking Latin
>>
>>> >
>>> > A. Tullia Scholastica Neroni quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae
>>> > voluntatis S.P.D.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Salve,
>>> > I am getting a tattoo tomorrow
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ATS: Why? Indo-Europeans shied away from defacing their
>>> anatomy. And
>>> > then there are infections, and pain...
>>> >
>>> > and was going for something 1.Roman and 2.Pagan I
>>> > was going to do a mix of SPQR and the pentacle then thought nah I
>>> still am
>>> > getting SPQR on my leg but anyway my question is I need final
>>> confirmation
>>> on
>>> > the three phrases I'm debating over(and even suggest some yourself!)
>>> The
>>> three
>>> > I
>>> > have in mind are as follows PLEASE TELL ME IF THEY ARE WRONG nothing
>>> would
>>> > bring
>>> > more shame then to have incorrect latin on my arm forever.
>>> > 1.DIIS INVICTA: The Gods are unconquered
>>> >
>>> > ATS: Well, this one more or less means Unconquered things for
>>> the gods
>>> > (or by the gods). Possibly, too, Things for the gods are
>>> unconquered.
>>> In
>>> > order to mean The Gods are unconquered, this would have to be
>>> transmuted
>>> into
>>> > Dei invicti.
>>> >
>>> > 2.CVRAE PII DIIS SVNT: The pious are in care of the Gods
>>> >
>>> > ATS: More literally, this is The pious are a concern to the
>>> Gods.
>>> Word
>>> > order would be better as Pii curae diis [or deis] sunt.
>>> >
>>> > 3. NIHIL SINE DIIS: (I am/we are) Nothing without the Gods.
>>> >
>>> > ATS: This is fine as is, though Deis is what we were taught in
>>> school.
>>> >
>>> > That last one is my fave but I am still taking suggestions as long
>>> as it is
>>> in
>>> > latin and pertains to the Gods I'll consider it, picx tomorrow night
>>> hopefully
>>> > DI VOS INCOLVMES CVSTODIANT
>>> > Nero
>>> >
>>> > Vale, et valete.
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...
>>> <mailto:fororom%40localnet.com>
>>> > <mailto:fororom%40localnet.com> >
>>> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> > Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 9:53:35 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Romans Speaking Latin
>>> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae discipulae meae
>>>>> omnibusque
>>>> >> S.P.D.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Iulia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Magistrae mea, omnibusque sal,
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Salve Magistra!
>>>>> >> > (Greetings Teacher)
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > ATS: Salve, discipula (greetings, [female] student!)
>>>>> >> > Oi laboro capite,
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > (oh I have a headache)
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > ATS: Better: eheu, laboro capite! Habesne medicamenta?
>>>>> (do you
> have
>>>>> >> > medicines?)
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Non semper erit aestas
>>>>> >> > (it will not always be summer)
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > ATS: Dís gratias! In aestate caelum saepius calidius est.
>>>>> (Thank the
>>>>> >> > gods! In the summer the weather is very often too hot).
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Vale,
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Julia
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Vale, et valete.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> >> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A.
>>>>> >> > Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quiritibus,
> sociis,
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> peregrinisque
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Salvete omnes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > I have been trying to improve my use of basic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Latin
> by using it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > ATS: Optimé! Use it or lose it! It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> essential to >>>>>>
>> practice!
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > LIA: I do my best to find the time, promise
>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > In most cases I am abusing the pronunciation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I
> make use of
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> videos to
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > with that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > ATS: You might also want to visit the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound
> files on the
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Grammatica
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Latina site(s)...
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > LIA: I couldn't access them last time I tried which was
>>>>> ...well...
>>>>> quite a
>>>>> >> > while ago. I promise you that by the year I turn 60 I will
>>>>> resume
>>>>> classes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > I highly recommend the videos here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > http://www.lingua.co.uk/latin/films/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > I don't know if any of you are game, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to start a
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> conversation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > in Latin - using very simple sentences or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> phrases -
> and also
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> providing
>>> > the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > English to reinforce the meaning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Of course our Latinists are welcome to join
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in as
> long as they
>> don't
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> take over
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > *laughs* and assist us in any errors we may
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Please use your dictionaries and any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources you
> have at hand -
>> I know
>>> > I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > will. Some of us may even be able to create
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very interesting
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> sentences:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Simple sentences are found here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > http://novaroma.org/nr/Latin_phrasebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > http://novaroma.org/nr/Latin_for_e-mail
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > I'll begin (keeping it simple):
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Ave, ut vales?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > (Greetings, How are you?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > ATS: More common is salve. Plural,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> salvete,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and ut valetis,
>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > addressing a group. Reply: valeo, et tu?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (plural:
> et vos?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Nomine Julia sum. Quo nomine?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > (My name is Julia. What is your name?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > ATS: Much better is Mihi nomen Juliae
>>>>>>>>>>>>> est,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using the dative
>> of your
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> name,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > attracted grammatically to the dative of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> possession,
> mihi. The
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> response
>>> > is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > better as Quid nomen tibi?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > LIA: if I am speaking directly to you I will be using the
>>>>> vocative,
> yes?
>>>> >> This
>>>>> >> > is why I used the vocative.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Some additional replies: laboro capite,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have
> a headache;
>> laboro
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > influentiá, I have the flu...we can supply
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some more
> as desired.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > LIA: actually I have a sinus infection:) and a small
>>>>> headache...after
> you
>>>>> >> > forced me to think in Latin again*laughs* just teasing...well
>>>>> maybe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > BTW, all students in Sermo Latinus I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
> reported to
>> pick up
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > grades, so I can begin site preparation and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventual
> registration
>> for
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > course once I move the continuing students to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sermo
> II...which in
>> turn
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > require a little preparation of its own
>>>>>>>>>>>>> before I can
> do so.
>> Anyone
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> wishing to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > register for any of the five Latin courses
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
> contact me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Valete,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Julia
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > Vale, et valete.
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Vale
>>
>
>
>
>
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Salve!

Now I am confused, Caeso Fabius is the prime suspect, but there are two
accounts of the story. One is about Cincinnatus being another prime
suspect and the other say he is innocent. Explain to me both sides of the
story with both of you. I hate to admit, I worked for the government irl
and I watched TV shows about perpetrators. So I find it amusing that the
place of historical recreation group has its own slew of problems.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:14:20 -0500, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

> Oh I love the history...especially when it is wrong..Tribune. But then
> you
> are probably getting your information from Piscinus so much is to be
> expected. If you actually knew about NR during the time of the Civil
> War.....Cincinnatus was banished. I became Consul (my collague was Decius
> Iunius Palladius Invictus - you know the one I supposed plotted against -
> and he gave me the Agnomen of distinction Felix and I gave him the
> agnomen
> of distinction Invictus) in his stead....Fabius became Consul the year
> after
> me. If him or I were REMOTELY involved in the coup we would have been
> banished like Cincinnatus. Sorry Tribune, but much like Flavia Claudia
> at
> the time - your facts are WRONG.
>
> No one needs to look at the real plotters of NR than squarely at you, and
> the soon to be Master of the Horse Piscinus.
>
> Let us not forget who got us here. The failed Consul Caeso Fabius - the
> one
> who is SO incompetent that he has to resort to a dictator because he
> cannot
> work with his colleague.
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Maxima Valeria Messallina <
> maximavaleriamessallina@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <<--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...
>> <catoinnyc%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Cato Maiori sal.
>>
>> I will always be proud to be Roman.
>>
>> Everything else, we can fix.>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, now we can fix everything? That's rich coming from the one who
>> complains the most about everything. And just how do we get anything
>> done if
>> Albucius is going to veto everything Quintilianus wants to present to
>> the
>> Senate or the Citizens? If Albucius messes up elections because he
>> refuses
>> to take auspices correctly? And how proud a Nova Roman can anyone be if
>> the
>> Boni are allowed to bully and insult even Vestals and their Sacred
>> Office?
>>
>> If I had more energy, I would list more of the Boni crap that has
>> infested
>> Nova Roma since I joined and even before, as I discovered when I read
>> the
>> words of Nova Roma's first Vestal, Flavia Claudia Juliana (who was also
>> a
>> Senatrix and candidate for Consul!). Perhaps Citizens should do
>> themselves a
>> huge favor and read what she had to say about Sulla and Fabius Maximus
>> when
>> Nova Roma was only a year old. In fact, reading what she says of Sulla
>> and
>> Fabius Maximus, one realizes they haven't changed a bit - still the
>> same old
>> crap now as then, the same old pretense at "innocence", the same empty
>> claims, the same ploys of doublespeak, half-truths and reversal of
>> facts,
>> the same old lies!
>>
>> They drove Claudia Juliana out of Nova Roma. They drove two of my Vestal
>> apprentices away, too. Citizens, ask yourselves why do they insult the
>> Vestals? Why do they try to drive them away? Could it be that because
>> without Vestals, you cannot have a new Roma? They have been insulting
>> the
>> Vestals from the beginning of Nova Roma!
>>
>> Now they try and paint everyone else but themselves as the ones who plot
>> coups. Ha!The real plot-makers have always been the Boni who have been
>> plotting the demise of NR since 1999! Don't take my word for it. Let
>> Nova
>> Roma's first Virgo Maxima, who discovered their sordid attempt at a
>> coup, tell you the truth in her own words of the kind of people Sulla,
>> Fabius Maximus and their Boni friends really are. Pay particular
>> attention
>> to her last sentence:
>>
>>
>> "Suddenly, Senatrix Flavia Claudia Iuliana drops an explosive letter,
>> with
>> denouncements involving various magistrates in a "coup d'etat", and
>> renounces from her duties and citizenship. (Messsage 6970)
>>
>> [...] it was supposed to be kept a secret until a 7-page "indictment"of
>> [the Censores] Cassius and Palladius appeared, out of the blue, on the
>> list,
>> calling for their "impeachment." This had been going on for months,
>> behind
>> the scenes, with the "coalition" writing the indictment...
>>
>> This was done by a "coalition of priests and magistrates" put together
>> by
>> Cincinnatus. Or -- at least -- with Cincinnatus' name on it, so that he
>> could take the heat if something went wrong, which it did. The three of
>> us
>> who were made aware of it and were supposed to publicly sign it (not the
>> same people who drafted it) were told that we "could guess who the
>> priests
>> and magistrates were". We sure could.
>> It was supposed to have been an "open letter" that we were being asked
>> to
>> sign. Instead, we were forwarded this silly "indictment". I'd post it,
>> but
>> it was pretty much a character assassination of Cassius and Palladius.
>> If
>> Cassius wouldn't resign as Censor, he was threatened with forcible
>> removal
>> as Pontifex Maximus. We front men should have caught on the minute we
>> were
>> told "but, this isn't a coup d'etat!".
>> If you folks think the Senate is secretive, you should have known about
>> THESE backstage maneuvers. And now the main perpetrators are crying that
>> they knew nothing about anything. The plan was that Cassus and
>> Palladius be
>> removed from government, that Cincinnatus would take over as sole
>> Consul,
>> that Sulla would be the next Consul, and that Fabius would be his
>> co-consul,
>> and Gangalius would control the website and the e-list.
>> The whole thing never got to the list because the coup failed before it
>> could be posted. The "articles of impeachment" got to Cassius and
>> Palladius
>> (who werent' supposed to have been informed beforehand, so the entire
>> enterprise would have a better chance of succeeding).
>> Now the perpetrators are informing us almost hourly of their innocence.
>> Sulla even goes so far to plead that he has no online access at home
>> recently.
>> How do I know? I WAS THERE, FOLKS! I was supposed to be one of the four
>> "front men" who would actually SIGN the "impeachment articles", thereby
>> putting OUR names on it while Sulla, Gangalius and Fabius sat back and
>> protested innocence, then came forward to "save Nova Roma." It took only
>> about an hour for them to form a new list, a new website, and a new
>> group
>> called "Roma Respublica".
>> Oh, and trying to convince honorable but gullible Graecus (who knew
>> nothing
>> about this beforehand, like almost all of you) that they were innocent,
>> so
>> he'd stick up for them and lend them credibility.
>> Cassi and the corporate owners of the list (who are responsible and
>> accountable to the State of Maine, especially for the funds collected by
>> Nova Roma) shut down the website and list temporarily in order to try to
>> decide what to do. I don't think it's unfair to expect that Cassi was
>> very,
>> very hurt and reacted accordingly.
>> It was really kind of slick. And if Cassius and Palladius hadn't found
>> out,
>> none of us would be having this conversation. Instead, we'd be hailing
>> the
>> new Triumverate. The thing is: they did this just for shits and grins,
>> to
>> prove they could and to play power games."
>>
>>
>> http://web.archive org/web/20070114 064623/www. novaroma. org/annales/
>> 2752/coup. html
>>
>> There are no plots save those hatched in the depraved minds of the Boni.
>>
>>
>> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>> Sacerdos Vestalis
>> Virgo Maxima
>>
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>>
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Salve Cato,

In case you do not understand the original meaning of "Physician, heal thyself – a proverb from your own Bible, NT, please allow me to explain. It was reputedly uttered by the Christos in reference to Himself, He thought he would be met with the proverb by the people of Nazareth and they would expect him to perform miracles there as he had performed miracles elsewhere.
The most common meaning for "Physician heal thyself" follows the Biblical version being concerned with the welfare of others over oneself. It is a phrase uttered to healers because they are notorious for giving everything for the benefit of others and neglecting their own needs.

It was not my intent to so obviously upset you to the point that you attempt to project your own bitterness maybe due to the senate session, recent elections – I do not know the reason.
My tone was quite cheerful and I simply gave an opinion based on your own demonstration of your abilities.
What truly concerns me is your seeming inability to feel empathy and compassion for fellow Novi Romani and that you are unable to detach yourself from a staunch bureaucratic mindset – these are not the earmarks of a leader.

A leader considers the will of the people first, without the people there is no respublica. I sometimes wonder if the lack of non-virtual interpersonal interaction causes some individuals to view others online as mere pawns in their game. This is sad.

So I would not be surprised if you only meant the "pop" meaning of the proverb you quoted as this would help you spin your agenda. So, you should "attend to one's own faults, rather than pointing out the faults of others." Perhaps you should remove your own blinders and review your own words – I did not take your words as personally offensive but they could easily have been perceived as such and now I believe you meant them as such.
Perception, Cato, perception, you might work on broadening your perception and stop trying to micro-manage.

Maybe you will find some wisdom in this quote if you open up your heart Cato:
"When we look into our own hearts and begin to discover what is confused and what is brilliant, what is bitter and what is sweet, it isn't just ourselves that we're discovering. We're discovering the universe." Pema Chodron

En fin I find I have nothing more to say to you and have my words twisted to meet your needs. I will not continue to converse in this manner. There has been enough spinning of wheels and going nowhere – that is not my way and I do not intend to engage thusly in endeavors that waste my time and the time of others – we have intruded in citizens' mailboxes enough.

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Iuliae Aquilae sal.
>
> Why do you respond with such a bitter, personally-offensive manner? I think you are mistaken, and I am explaining why. You may not like the way I disagree with you, but it is not a personal attack against you but simply against your interpretation of a single, clear phrase in the Constitution.
>
> You complain about how people get into vicious fights in the Forum? Look at the way I have spoken to you about the issue and then at the way you whip around and attack me, personally, ascribing motives that are so wildly inaccurate as to be comical.
>
> Physician, heal thyself.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
> >
> > Iulia Catoni omnibusque sal.
> >
> >
> > >Unlike some, I say exactly what I mean and mean exactly what I say.
> >
> > Now that made me chuckle;)
> >
> > >The Latin phrase actually is "between a cliff and the wolves", by >the way :)
> >
> > Literal yes, but it means between a rock and a hard place.
> >
> > "Clear and imminent danger to the respublica" includes all aspects, you are shortchanging the respublica. There are people involved, living, thinking, respiring human beings and if their sense of spirituality is harmed, or their emotional well being is harmed - if the ML is such an upleasant place and that contributes to or is the cause of why citizens leave Nova Roma - then this causes clear and imminent danger to the respublica. The key element is the harm, the imminent danger to the respublica - Cato twists discussions to his own needs. It is obvious the citizens of the respublica mean little to Cato.
> >
> > It is precisely this habit of reading the Constitution so literally, so black and white that has caused Cato to be an obstructionist. The inability to apply judgment and inability to perceive beyond a closed mind is what also causes Cato to be an obstructionist to any progress or compromise within the respublica and why he is responsible for much grief. Cato is not a lawyer, is not skilled in writing or interpreting laws and further demonstrates this inability to interpret law.
> >
> > I suppose Cato is going to keep this up, in New York City, where he now lives, it is called "shooting his regular."*laughs*
> >
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Julia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cato Iuliae Aquilae omnibusque in foro SPD
> > >
> > > Please note, quirites, that never once did I voice any "suspicion" about the aedile's words - quite the opposite, in fact. Unlike some, I say exactly what I mean and mean exactly what I say.
> > >
> > > The Latin phrase actually is "between a cliff and the wolves", by the way :)
> > >
> > > One key element in your response, aedile, is this:
> > >
> > > "We must realize that the phrase in our constitution "except where they represent
> > > an imminent and clear danger to the Republic" is not just pertaining to the
> > > physical entity of `imminent and clear danger' to the Republic, but also to the
> > > spiritual and mental health of the Republic."
> > >
> > > You are reading into the Constitution what you want it to say - perhaps what you *wish* it said. It does not, and you cannot decide what the Constitution means based on what you wish it said. It says what it says - "imminent and clear danger". Nothing about "spiritual and mental health". I would also ask the aedile to show some clear evidence of a new citizen speaking and being harassed in this Forum.
> > >
> > > It is precisely this habit of reading into the Constitution things that simply are not there that has caused much grief in the Respublica. Rather than accepting that the law says what it says, we have had endless constructs based on what some wish it said. You can extrapolate to your heart's desire with the best of intentions, but that does not change the written words of the law.
> > >
> > > The Constitution is crystal clear:
> > >
> > > "Such communications, regardless of their content, may not be restricted by the State, except where they represent an imminent and clear danger to the Republic."
> > >
> > > The desire to mother the citizens of the Respublica as if they could not take care of themselves may very well be a good and innocent one, but not at the expense of our freedom, and not to the violation of the Constitution.
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> >
>

Salve Sulla,

> Remember just like last year when ex citizen
> regulus exposed their intrigues to install a dictatorship.
>

Seriously now, consider the source - a vengeful person not known for his veracity. He was pulling your chain - I doubt anyone brought him into their confidence.

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Cato they are trying to work the ML up to a frenzy to justify the
> appointment of a dictator. Remember just like last year when ex citizen
> regulus exposed their intrigues to install a dictatorship.
>
>

Salve Petroni,

Beautifully said, gratias tibi ago.

Cura ut valeas,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius Aeterniae s.p.d.,
>
> Freedom is not a licence to do everything. Because my freedom ends where begins yours. Freedom indeed has ends and terms, as freedom of others, and also freedom has rights and duties. Freedom is something you have to struggle for and you have to share with other, it is not something for one individual, for one it is not freedom but privilege.
>
> In other hand, moderation is not interdiction of speech. Somebody put under moderation has his messages read before posting. That is on the Yahoo rules and it is written on the title of Nova Roma list. This is a moderated yahoogroup.
>
> So when you write on this list you know that the list is moderated. It is clearly written on the door. Here you cannot say everything you want. As some toilets are for ladies and some for men, it is written on the door. No surprise.
>
> You know in coming in the ML list that the list is moderated, so your claim about a freedom of speech, is not accurate, because it is not freedom of speech the subject but the knowledge where you are.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. XI Kalendas Sextiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

Actually speaking, this reminds me too much of what the White House in the US is doing right now. Conservatives are displayed as wanting less government and more oil. Liberals are displayed in the distasteful manner as communists who want more government and everyone to be hippies. Right now they were fighting over the immigration bills, healthcare, jobs, and of course, Obama.

Okay turn off the TV and let's talk.

If United States get into more crises like this, they will end up splitting apart from each other if they continue to avoid bipartisanship with each other all, if not most of the time.

Sooner or later, what will the Media portray us as? A dictatorship of some sorts or one of the well-thought out examples of the government.

You, the public, and the NR officals have to decide