For what it's worth Dexter, you have done an exemplary job.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:19 AM, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>wrote:

>
>
> C. Petronius T. Sabino s.p.d.,
>
>
> > A fine analysis from a fine person! That is what I consider an elegant
> debate and a model for what we, the new Romans, must follow when it comes
> about posting on this list.
>
> Thank you very much. I think that a debate, even and mostly with ideas in
> opposition, must stay on the level of the courtesy. Only the arguments have
> weight.
>
> I decided with myself to follow this way of debatting, searching to
> convince with fine analysis and honest arguments without attacks ad hominem
> neither punchs below the belt.
>
> May Gods make me keep cool, fair play and self control in every debate.
>
> Vale.
>
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. VIII Kalendas Sextiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
>
>


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Good planning. Have you thought of your own? If so congrats!


M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/7/26 Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>

>
>
> Caesar Catoni sal.
>
> Well amice indeed. Quite the pattern developing.
>
> 2009 = sockpuppet to "defend" the respublica.
> 2010 = dictator to "defend" the respublica.
> 2011 = princeps to "defend" the respublica?
> 2012 = imperator to "defend" the respublica?
> 2013 = ??? What possible pointy hat and imposing title could be left in the
> closet?
>
> Optime vale
>
> --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Cato <catoinnyc@... <catoinnyc%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Cato <catoinnyc@... <catoinnyc%40gmail.com>>
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: M. Octavius Gracchus, Welcome
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 10:44 AM
>
> > Cato Iulio Caesari sal.
> >
> > Well, to be honest we all *knew* it was him, but no-one
> > bothered to really investigate it because...well, because he
> > was only being mean to *us*, the ones perceived as "easy
> > targets", which automatically justified anything he did or
> > said.
>
>
>

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C. Maria Caeca C. Petronio Dextero Tribunis Plebis S. P. D.

Well ...so long as the chains are *pretty*, I suppose ...no, on 2nd thought, the only chains I will wear, of my own free will, are the kind made out of 14K gold that I put on and take off again, if, and when, I please, thank you all the same, though!

Vale quam optime,
Maria Caeca

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Salve Tiberi

Rewriting history? The historical Sulla usurped a dictatorship and massacred hundreds of the senate in the process. The Republic died because he overthrew the Republic in a coup.

And our little sulla can throw his tantrums, jump up and down, stomp his feet, and hold his breath, but it does not change the facts. A legitimate meeting of the Board of Directors was held and acts were agreed upon by a majority of the Board. That's the law. Read the State of Maine Revised Satutes on Maine Non-Profit Corporations Act. You are in a state of denial. I, however, have no doubts on where the law stands.

Vale
Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Salvete Romans,
>
>
>
> When the Romans needed a dictator Hannibal or ones like him were at the gates. The original Sulla was made dictator to rewrite the Roman constitution and the republic was dead in less than fifty years.
>

Salve Tiberi Galeri

Apparently my posts are being delayed, although I don't why they are not appearing on the list. Since my earlier response hasn't appeared, I shall repeat it.

The Constitution IV.A.2.d states that a consul has the power "To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against another consul or magistrate of lesser authority.

However, the Constitution also states, at IV.A.9: "Apparitores (Attendants). Collectively, the apparitores shall not be considered magistrates, but rather shall be appointed into various decuriae (corporations) to fulfill those necessary functions as shall be assigned to them by law enacted by one of the comitia. They shall include the lictores, lictores curiati, scribae, and accensi."

Further, the Comitia Curiata, under the Constitution III.A "shall be called to order by the Pontifex Maximus."

Neither the Pontifex Maximus nor the lictores curiati are magistrates, and thus they are not magistrates of lesser authority. A consul has no constitutional power to veto their actions or the Comitia Curiata from assembling.

Vale

M. Moravius Piscinus
Pontifex Maximus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Salve Consul Albicius,
>
> As a Senator of the republic, I also request that you veto this Comitia summons which seeks to enact an illegal appointment of an illegal meeting of the Senate of Nova Roma. The one you vetoed from meeting.
>
>
>
> As a Plebeian citizen I also ask that any Tribune, who wish to recover their honor, to do likewise.
>
>
>
> Vale
>
>
>
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus
>
>
> "His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives."
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I think you are confusing me with yourself again. Please be more careful
about that next time, it will be the third time you have done that.

Vale,

Sulla

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:25 PM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:

>
>
> Salve Tiberi
>
> Rewriting history? The historical Sulla usurped a dictatorship and
> massacred hundreds of the senate in the process. The Republic died because
> he overthrew the Republic in a coup.
>
> And our little sulla can throw his tantrums, jump up and down, stomp his
> feet, and hold his breath, but it does not change the facts. A legitimate
> meeting of the Board of Directors was held and acts were agreed upon by a
> majority of the Board. That's the law. Read the State of Maine Revised
> Satutes on Maine Non-Profit Corporations Act. You are in a state of denial.
> I, however, have no doubts on where the law stands.
>
> Vale
> Piscinus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Timothy or
> Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Salvete Romans,
> >
> >
> >
> > When the Romans needed a dictator Hannibal or ones like him were at the
> gates. The original Sulla was made dictator to rewrite the Roman
> constitution and the republic was dead in less than fifty years.
> >
>
>
>


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C. Maria Caeca Livia Ocella S. P. D.

Excellent post, Livia Amica! I am always delighted and encouraged when I see new citizens offer well thought out and well written comments, here ...because, you know, one day, it is the now new citizens who will hold the torch ...and conduct the business of the Res Publica ...and it is obvious, at least to me, that you are using this critical and terrible time in our evolution to learn as much as you can ...and, believe it or not, you will learn more about the workings of the Republic in times like this than you would when things are going smoothly.

Cura ut valeas,
C. Maria Caeca

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M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS wrote:

> Matt, ex-Octavius,

Mr. David-Lloyd Pais Alonso,

my name is STILL Octavius, and it will be whenever I interact with any Roman
community, in spite of any efforts to make me an "unperson" by those who
deliberately choose not to use it.

Having read said lex, the requirements it imposes are trivial - so yes,
barring malfeasesance and obstructionism by censores, I can indeed "return at
any time".

And winged simians might then fly from my nether orifice, as a great Chicago
philosopher once said.

Vale,
M. Octavius Gracchus,
Consular and Proud Peregrinus.

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - D. Adams

CHORUS:
Nova Roma's in decline,
What a sad, sad story!
Needs a new dictator to restore
Its former glory.
Where, oh, where is he?
Where could that man be?
We faked a crisis, then we "found"
The man for you and me.

LEAD TENOR SENATOR:
And now it's...
Springtime for Roma and Marinus.
Write the proscriptions to-day.
He's going to do "real" things for us.
Look out, here comes Great Marinus!

Springtime for Maior and Piscinus.
Winter for Consul from France.
Springtime for Caeso and Curius.
Come on, Romans, go into your dance!

SENATOR "ROLF":
I'm a consul in frozen Thule and that is why I'm a useful tool.

SENATOR "MEL":
Don't be stupid, be a smarty, now we'll crush the Boni party!

CHORUS AND SENATOR:
Springtime for Augurs ueber alles!
Tribunes do goose-steps, today.
Eagles fall from the skies again.
Roma is is on the rise again!

Springtime for Modianus Semper Censor!
Notas for everyone once more!
Winter for Sulla and Cato!
Watch out, BackAlley,
We're going on tour!

VESTAL:
The Dictator is coming, the Dictator is coming, the Dictator is coming!

SENATOR #1:
Ave Marinus!
SENATOR #2:
Ave Marinus!
LEAD TENOR SENATOR:
Ave Marinus!
Springtime for Roma and Marinus!
ALL:
Ave Marinus!

CHORUS:
Our numbers are in decline again.
But Roma is on the rise again.

Springtime for Caeso and Piscinus!
Vestals are virgins once more!
Springtime for Augur and Pontifex!

Means that...
Soon we'll be going...
We've got to be going...
You know we'll be going....
You bet we'll be going...
You know we'll be going to war!!


--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - D. Adams

Gaius Tullius Valerianus Gaio Iunio Neroni S.P.D.

Salve! I appreciate what you're trying to do and say - I really do -
but I don't know if you fully grasp the seriousness of what is happening
right now. You wrote:
*People flaunt what they think to be big issues for days and days *
*taking up countless messages of...forgive me, prattle and blathering. *
Right now an illegally held Senate meeting has decided to appoint an
illegal dictator, and a dictator is something Nova Roma has only had once
before (in 1999). And then, by all accounts, things were not so bad as now
(I became a citizen in 2000). We have magistrates and even priests acting in
illegal and immoral ways, and refusing to acknowledge this or mend their
ways. We have accusations of impropriety in financial dealings for new IT
infrastructure (to the tune of $10,000+ US), which is serious in and of
itself, and wouldn't even be necessary (as the honored Octavius Gracchus
points out) had certain people not behaved badly. Nova Roma is a non-profit
organization incorporated in the state of Maine, USA, and now Nova Roma may
be in violation of Maine law - its very legal existence is threatened. So
"what they think to be big issues" really are, in some cases, big issues. I
can attest that many involved in this whole thing on both sides would *rather
*be doing something productive, but the current situation doesn't allow for
it - one doesn't sit about reading Vergil's account of the burning of Troy
while one's own house is on fire and burning down around one.
Now, there are people here who like to prattle and blather. Some would
admit to it, some would not. A lot of it usually goes to other lists - like
the Back Alley, which allows blathering, if one is so inclined. But I don't
think anyone is doing either right now.

You also wrote:
* We can tell someone off for wanting a tattoo "because the romans did not
hold with such" but then look at us? Would the Romans act this way? If we
traveled back and told Cicero we are what remains of the republic, he would
drop to the ground laughing. *
* Now, it does seem to be a fact that the Romans (and Indo-European
cultures in general) did not approve of tattooing, seeing it as servile
self-mutilation and perhaps even unclean, and the scholars among us are
right to point this out to those inquiring about tattooing practices. We
are, of course, NOVA Romans, not ancient Romans, and many of us do have
tattoos (I am not among the tattooed, however). It's up to us whether we
want to have them or not. Let us at least hope that we avoid tattoos in
botched Latin that are so common!*
* But as to your question of "Would the Romans act this way?" Ummm . . .
have you ever studied the Romans? Of course they did - sadly. All too often,
in fact. It is indeed sad to see how bad things have gotten lately around
here - but they're not going to get better on their own. Ironically, you
quote Cicero's words denouncing Catiline, a moment of great crisis in the
old Republic. Would you have had Cicero remain silent, and Catiline's mad
schemes succeed. Nor can we of good conscience remain silent when we see our
beloved Republic threatened, Nero. If you don't want to know about the
struggles tearing apart our Republic, hit the "delete" key. There were
plenty of Romans who decided to stay home and not inquire as to what
Catiline was up to, too. But of course, I would rather you - and all good
citizens with a conscience - would get involved. *
* You have a voice here, Nero. It's up to you how you use it.*

**You also wrote:

> * Even now when people read my response I'm 9/10ths of the people will
> have
> something negative to say, and it will lead to more fighting.*
>

I hope you don't interpret my words as negative. They are not meant to
be, certainly. I'm just trying to offer you some perspective.
You said:

> * Let's not just call ourselves Roman but remember what it is to be Roman
> and actually BE Romans*
>

which is a nice sentiment, but being Roman to many of us *means *not
standing by and letting our elected representatives and priests behave badly
and illegally. It means exactly the opposite of standing by and letting that
sort of thing go unchecked.

You wrote:

> * Let's make ourselves proud to come from Cato, Cicero, Caesar, and
> Brutus.
> I mean come on people, WE ARE ROME, our ancestors built the everlasting
> monuments and concepts that shaped modern civilization, we were a golden
> age, we
> were a perfect age.
> WE ARE ROME*
>

Inspiring words, Nero. Many of us on both sides of the current conflict are
here because of our conviction that Rome offered the world something better,
and we are here to offer it again. I would personally disagree with the
"perfect age" bit - there is some irony in mentioning Cato, Cicero, Caesar,
and Brutus in the same breath (Caesar seemed to threaten the existence of
the Republic, so Brutus decided to betray and murder him, but not before
Cato had killed himself rather than surrender to Caesar. About a year later,
Cicero (who often said he had wished that he had been in on the plot to kill
Caesar) had his head and hands cut off on the orders of Mark Antony with the
agreement of Octavian, the heir of Caesar. The people you mention betrayed
and killed each other and themselves. Hardly "perfect." But still
important.

Vale, Nero!


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M. Moravius Pontifex Maximus L Cornelio Senatori et Lictori dicit:

A consul only has the power of intercessio under certain conditions. The Constituion IV.A.2.c states that a consul has the power: "To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against another consul or magistrate of lesser authority."

However, neither the Pontifex Maximus nor any lictores curiati are magistrates. Constitution IV.A.9: "Apparitores (Attendants). Collectively, the apparitores shall not be considered magistrates, but rather shall be appointed into various decuriae (corporations) to fulfill those necessary functions as shall be assigned to them by law enacted by one of the comitia. They shall include the lictores, lictores curiati, scribae, and accensi."

Not magistrates, therefore not magistrates of lesser authority, therefore the consul has no constitutional power to veto the assembly of the Comitia Curiata.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Consul Albicius,
>
> As a Lictor of Nova Roma, I humbly request that you veto this Comitia
> summons which seeks to legitimize an illegal summons of the Senate of Nova
> Roma.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Lictor - appointed by Flavius Vedius Germanicus
>
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Lictoribus omnibus s. p. d.
> >
> > All Lictores curiati of Nova Roma are to assemble for the Comitia Curiata
> > beginning at 00.00 hours CET Roma (18.00 hrs EST) on IV Kal. Sext. (29 July)
> > in order to invest Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, Censoirus et Magister Populi
> > designatus, with imperium for the office of dictator.
> >
> > QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

And perhaps you should indicate that you are 2 citizens.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:
>
> To avoid confusions he should indicate that he is an ex-citizen.
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> 2010/7/25 Q. Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@...>
>
> >
> >
> > Metellus Plautae sal.
> >
> >
> > > Salve Matt,
> > > you renounced citizenship in NR on 2009-06-07. I'm not sure you are
> > entitled
> > > to use the name of M. Octavius Gracchus.
> >
> > It's positions like this that add to the perception that Nova Roma is a
> > role playing game. If, when one ceases to be a citizen, they are no
> > longer who they are here, then we really are just playing roles.
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Thanks to Arthur Shippee, Dave Sowdon,David Critchley,Diana Wright,
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John Hall, Kris Curry, Kurt Theis,John McMahon, Barnea Selavan,
Joseph Lauer,Mike Ruggeri, George Somsel, Joos Postma,
Bob Heuman, Sophie Cabot,Rochelle Altman,Curtis B. Edmundson
and Ross W. Sargent for headses upses this week (as always
hoping I have left no one out).
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EARLY HUMANS
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Feature on 'a little bit of Neanderthal in all of us' (video/news):

http://www.france24.com/en/20100723-2010-neanderthal-homo-sapiens-genome-cro-mag\
non-common-ancestors

Not really sure what is 'new' about this hypothesis for human evolution:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100720123639.htm
http://www.physorg.com/news198857237.html

Blaming early mammoth hunters for global warming (again):

http://www.thebristolbaytimes.com/article/1029did_mammoth_hunters_warm_the_world
http://www.adn.com/2010/07/24/1380065/did-mammoth-hunters-of-long-ago.html

I guess this one goes here ... from Israel comes the oldest 'steak knives':

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/researchers-in-israel-find-worlds-first-ste\
ak-knives/19563689

Analyzing how ancient humans walked:

http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/footprint-fossils-analyzed-for-ancient-hum\
an-gait.html

More on humans in Britain some 800 000 years b.p.:

http://www.usyd.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=5291

More on the monkey/ape split:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/science/20obmonkey.html

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ANCIENT NEAR EAST AND EGYPT
================================================================
A 6000 b.p. statue from Jordan:

http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=28517

Archaeologists have started exploring the depths of Lake Qarun:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100721/wl_africa_afp/egyptarchaeology_201007211647\
42
http://www.physorg.com/news198938142.html

An update (more or less) on the Seti tunnel excavation:

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2010/1008/he2.htm


The Ottawa Citizen has a nice series on the dig at Tel Tayinat and recent
discoveries:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/mice+ancient/3306876/story.html
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/Canadian+archeologists+discover+Testamen\
t+tablet/2775502/story.html
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/Ancient+tablet+bears+scars+dark+history/\
3317323/story.html
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/Unearthing+forgotten+kingdom/3290289/sto\
ry.html

Feature on the Megiddo Expedition:

http://www.jpost.com/LocalIsrael/AroundIsrael/Article.aspx?id=181536

Bronze Age burials from Tal Om al-Mara:

http://www.english.globalarabnetwork.com/201007236645/Related-news-from-Syria/ar\
chaeological-tombs-dating-back-to-bronze-age-discovered-in-northern-syria.html

Feature on the Bronze Age (mostly) site of Tell Fadous-Kfarabida:

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=4&article_id=1171\
22#axzz0u5DeknEd

Interesting finds from Petra:

http://heritage-key.com/blogs/owenjarus/ancient-city-petra-tombs-reveal-61-buria\
ls-and-islamic-gold-medallion

A fifth century synagogue from Horvat Kur:

http://www.helsinki.fi/news/archive/7-2010/21-12-46-17.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100707080941.htm
A student digger's experience at Ashkelon:

http://www.pioneerlocal.com/libertyville/news/2511854,libertyville-israeldig-072\
210-s1.article

Digging has resumed at Soloi Pompeiopolis:

http://www.balkantravellers.com/en/read/article/2140

A fifth-century monastery find from Syria:

http://www.english.globalarabnetwork.com/201007226640/Related-news-from-Syria/ar\
chaeologists-5th-century-monastery-unearthed-in-syria.html

Feature on the Crown of Aleppo:

http://www.jewishjournal.com/twelve_twelve/article/the_other_bible_the_crown_of_\
aleppo_20100721/

More on DSS parchment being made 'locally':

http://www.newkerala.com/news2/fullnews-4528.html
http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/dead-sea-scrolls-protons.html
More on Carter/Tut online:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2010/jul/18/tutankhamun-website-howard-carter-\
tomb
Egyptology News Blog:

http://egyptology.blogspot.com/

Egyptology Blog:

http://www.egyptologyblog.co.uk/

Dr Leen Ritmeyer's Blog:

http://blog.ritmeyer.com/

Paleojudaica:

http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/

Persepolis Fortification Archives:

http://persepolistablets.blogspot.com/

Archaeologist at Large:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/ArchaeologyinEgypt/
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ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME (AND CLASSICS)
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Cleopatra's pearl story has a kernel of truth in it:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/vergano/2010-07-23-cleopatra-pear\
l-cocktail_N.htm

A Scythian burial from Kazakhstan:

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/61549
http://www.newkerala.com/news2/fullnews-3610.html

A Bulgarian "Machu Picchu":

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=118366

A Roman villa from a Wales 'military zone':

http://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news/i/9239/

Elsewhere in Wales ... a Roman lime kiln:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-10714038

A Roman 'neighbourhood' from Lyons:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/294997
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/07/24/romanneighbourhood-ruins-unearthed-infrance.h\
tml

Some ancient shipwrecks from off Zannone:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/25/AR2010072500708.\
html
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66O0HF20100725?feedType=RSS&feedName=lifes\
tyleMolt

A possible Diana sculpture from the former Romuliana:

http://english.blic.rs/In-Focus/6688/Archeologists-found-sculpture-of-Diana-Godd\
ess-of-hunt

Evidence of Middle Bronze Age agriculture from Cyprus:

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/archaeology/archaeological-window-ancient-farming/201\
00722

Feature on recent restorations on the Acropolis and plans to cash in on
Plato:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10751210

On the efforts to save Latin in Scotland:

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Modern-drive-for-ancient-language.6438534.jp

Poking around in Pompeiian poop:

http://classics.uc.edu/~ellis/PompeiiPoop.pdf

What to do with a Classics degree:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010/jul/24/classics-degree-graduate-careers

Can't remember if I mentioned this one ... something in an ancient
philosophy vein:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/lost-in-the-clouds/

They've fixed up the frescoes from the Villa Farnesina:

http://intransit.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/19/frescoes-shown-anew-at-ancient-rom\
an-villa/

On tattoos and the 'Latin craze' (?):

http://www.newkerala.com/news2/fullnews-4667.html

What to serve at a Roman orgy:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/jul/19/gourmet-orgy-improbable-research

Assorted efforts to mark the anniversary of Marathon:

http://www.news24.com/World/News/German-plans-2-200km-run-Greece-20100721
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-50230520100719

More on that Harpocrates from Silchester:

http://www.physorg.com/wire-news/41006529/reading-archaeologists-reveal-the-egyp\
tian-god-of-secrecy.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jul/16/egyptian-god-relic-identified-silc\
hester

More on Portus:

http://www.research-horizons.cam.ac.uk/features/portus-project--bringing-to-life\
-trajan-s-legacy.aspx
http://blip.tv/file/2644723
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/archaeology/resources/fieldwork_projects/portus.htm\
l
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090930194337.htm
http://heritage-key.com/blogs/bija-knowles/digital-reconstruction-roman-amphithe\
atre-discovered-portus
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/8310980.stm
Latest reviews from Scholia:

http://www.classics.ukzn.ac.za/reviews/

Latest reviews from BMCR:

http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/recent.html

Visit our blog:

http://rogueclassicism.com/
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EUROPE AND THE UK (+ Ireland)
================================================================
A phallic carving from Sweden is being made into something, er, bigger:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/21/stone-age-carving-ancient-dildo/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38343340/ns/technology_and_science-science/
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/science/Worlds-oldest-sex-toy-carved-out\
-of-bone-back-in-4000-BC/articleshow/6203072.cms
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/22/ancient-dildo-excavated-i_n_655766.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20011242-501465.html

The SHARP dig blog is up and running again:

http://ccgi.sedgeford.plus.com/blog/

Plenty of coverage of the discovery of another henge near Stonehenge:

http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=11&int_new=39419
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38360404/ns/technology_and_science-science/
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=11223971
http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/stonehenge-wooden-monument.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100722/wl_uk_afp/britainarchaeologyhistory_2010072\
2120839
http://www.newkerala.com/news2/fullnews-5468.html
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/07/22/eu_britain_stonehenge/index.html?so\
urce=rss&aim=/news/feature
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/07/photogalleries/100723-stonehenge\
-woodhenge-twin-timber-circle-science-pictures/?now=2010-07-23-00:01
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/07/100723-stonehenge-woodhenge-twin\
-timber-circle-gaffney-science/
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2010/0723/Stonehenge-timber-twin-revealed-\
in-shovel-less-dig
http://www.salon.com/technology/archaeology/?story=/news/feature/2010/07/22/eu_b\
ritain_stonehenge
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2010/jul/22/stonehenge-new-discovery
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/jul/23/stonehenge-twin-site
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/22/stonehenge-discovery-wood_n_655451.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10718522
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10726307
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidgregory/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_britain_stonehenge
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10718522

... and they've 'virtually excavated' to find it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-10689609
http://www.tonic.com/article/archaeologists-find-stonehenge-timber-twin-without-\
digging/

I'm reasonably certain this remains-of-a-Neolithic-party-in Wiltshire story
was kicking around a few years ago:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/discovered-stone-age-\
mans-morning-after-the-night-before-2034322.html

... this seems to be more recent:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-10684042

Experimenting with moving menhirs:

http://www.physorg.com/news198988062.html
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/entertainment/a/-/entertainment/7629690/tourist\
s-heave-menhirs-to-solve-ancient-mystery/

An update of sorts on the Pillar of Eliseg dig:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/northeastwales/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8\
783000/8783331.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/northeastwales/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8849000/8\
849374.stm
A siliver ring from Birstall has been declared treasure:

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Historic-treasure-found-in-West.64256\
93.jp

A 13th century (or thereabouts) child's bow from near Novgorod:

http://www.russia-ic.com/news/show/10435/

Remains of Russian Revolution activities from St Petersburg:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2010/07/19/More-red-terror-remains-fou\
nd-in-Russia/UPI-26891279556579/

More on that Neolithic 'doodle':

http://www.hindustantimes.com/rssfeed/europe/Caveman-s-4-500-year-old-doodle-on-\
rock-discovered/Article1-574123.aspx

More on that old champagne:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1295654/Now-thats-vintage-Dive\
rs-ancient-champagne-1780s-shipwreck-Baltic-Sea.html?ITO=1490
http://www.france24.com/en/20100719-2010-07-19-0710-wb-en-press-review-fran
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gUlBVlMg7u8npu_W8--vbfBuHrSQ
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/07/divers_find_200-year_old_champ.ht\
ml
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128636885

Review of Juliet Nicolson, *The Great Silence*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/books/review/Seymour-t.html

Review of Ruth Harris, *Dreyfus*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/books/review/Damrosch-t.html
Archaeology in Europe Blog:

http://archaeology-in-europe.blogspot.com/

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ASIA AND THE SOUTH PACIFIC
================================================================
Australia's earliest 'contact' petroglyphs:

http://www.physorg.com/news199101603.html

The salvaging of the Nan'ao-1 has resumed:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90782/7073699.html

Evidence Chinese civilization is even older than previously thought:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90782/7078611.html

Cultivated cucumbers and melons originated in Australia/Asia:

http://www.physorg.com/news198858228.html

Efforts to provide legal protection for Maori sites:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/CU1007/S00252.htm

Plans to excavate 'India's Atlantis':

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Indias-own-Atlantis-2000-yr-old-underse\
a-town-to-be-excavated/articleshow/6198568.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Undersea-probe-to-seek-out-lost-\
port-city/articleshow/6198752.cms

Feature on the Indus Civilization:

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/asia/Mystery-Shrouds-Ancient-Civilization-i\
n-Pakistan--98967839.html

Feature on Beijing's Gulou district:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/21/world/asia/21beijing.html
East Asian Archaeology:

http://eastasiablog.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/east-asian-archaeology-cultural-her\
itage-%E2%80%93-2052010/

Southeast Asian Archaeology Newsblog:

http://www.southeastasianarchaeology.com/

New Zealand Archaeology eNews:

http://www.nzarchaeology.org/netsubnews.htm
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NORTH AMERICA
================================================================
A 'woodhenge' from Ohio:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/07/100720-woodhenge-stonehenge-ohio\
-fort-ancient-science/
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/22/wooden-stonehenge-emerges-prehistoric-\
ohio/

Analyzing human remains from a Western Basin Late Woodland site:

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/science/stories/2010/07/25/testing-remains-\
provides-new-insights.html?sid=101

A project to 'unravel' the 'puzzle' of the Hohokam ceramic industry:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-07/smu-nrw072010.php
http://www.physorg.com/news198857381.html

Feature on Range Creek:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/49853955-76/fremont-canyon-creek-utah.html.csp
Some 2000 b.p. artifacts turn up during sewer construction in small town
Ontario:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/sewer-project-halted-by-aboriginal-\
history-find/article1649185/

An interesting find from a Mississippian site in Illinois:

http://www.bnd.com/2010/07/19/1334631/figurine-found-at-new-bridge-excavation.ht\
ml
http://www.bnd.com/2010/07/20/1335048/its-mind-blowing.html

The search is on again for Franklin's ships:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10705564

... while elsewhere in the Arctic, they've found some evidence of the Dorset
culture:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Ghostly+face+carving+unearthed+from+Ar\
ctic+site+extinct+Dorset+culture/3301282/story.html

A Spanish ship is being salvaged (?) off Sebastian (Florida):

http://www.myhometownnews.net/index.php?id=71225
http://southflorida.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2010/07/19/daily16.html

A student's experience digging a Toltec site in Arkansas:

http://lonokedemocrat.com/articles/2010/07/15/lonoke_democrat/news/nws10.txt

Finds from Fort Vancouver:

http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/jul/20/artifacts-found-at-site-of-former-home\
-at-fort-arc/

A member of the Donner Party had some Lincoln documents:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/20/california.lincoln.document/
http://www.nationalledger.com/ledgerdc/article_272633392.shtml

Searching for an image of Drayton Hall:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/arts/design/16antiques.html

Review of Jak Rakove, *Revolutionaries*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/books/review/Anderson-t.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/books/review/excerpt-revolutionaries.html
================================================================
CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA
================================================================
A very interesting burial of a Mayan king in Guatemala (variety of spins):

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/07/100721-maya-tomb-human-fingers-k\
ing-guatemala-science/
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/07/photogalleries/100721-maya-tomb-\
human-fingers-king-guatemala-science-pictures/?now=2010-07-21-00:01
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/19/bowls-human-fingers-teeth-mayan-tomb/
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2010/0719/Ancient-finger-bowls-found-in-Mayan-t\
omb-bowls-filled-with-fingers-that-is
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38310459/ns/technology_and_science-science/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/guatemalan-tomb-revea\
ls-evidence-of-child-sacrifice-2031012.html
http://www.projo.com/news/content/MAYAN_TOMB_07-20-10_MKJ8MU1_v13.1915987.html
http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/mayan-kings-tomb-found-in-guatemala.html
http://www.prensalibre.com/vida/ciencia/Imagenes-exclusivas-tumba-Diablo_5_29942\
0056.html(photos)
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2010/07/maya-royal-tomb\
-discovered-filled-with-offerings/1

They've reconstructed the face of 'Las Palmas Woman' and have made
some interesting conclusions therefrom:

http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=11&int_new=39450
http://www.physorg.com/news199120922.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9188095
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=361036&CategoryId=13003
http://www.pjstar.com/features/x1953792260/Reconstructed-ancient-woman-suggests-\
diverse-migration
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38384521/ns/world_news-americas/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100724/ap_on_sc/lt_mexico_ancient_woman
http://dti.inah.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4510&Itemid=329

cf (from a couple years ago):

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/pf/65445213.html

Slideshow:
http://dti.inah.gob.mx/images/stories/Temas_para_ver/2010/mujerpalmas/mujerpalma\
s.swf

Remains of a prehispanic copper foundry (right word?) from Zacatecas:

http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=39373
http://dti.inah.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=39&Itemi\
d=150

A Moche 'sacrifice hall' from Peru:

http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=39445
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38369364/ns/technology_and_science-science/
http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/human-sacrifice-hall-found-3671392?ref=rss
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1895527/ancient_sacrificial_chamber_discove\
red_in_peru/index.html?source=r_science
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=11230774

Not sure if we've mentioned this Royal Sican tomb from Peru yet:

http://enperublog.com/2010/07/18/new-royal-sican-tomb-discovered-in-bosque-de-po\
mac/
http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/610191/mas-antiguo-que-senor-sican-conozca-al-perso\
naje-descubierto-cerca-al-bosque-pomac(slideshow)
http://www.andina.com.pe/Ingles/Noticia.aspx?id=o1+45K32mFg=
http://www.physorg.com/news198905349.html

A pre-Columbian burial ground from Costa Rica:

http://www.physorg.com/news198905435.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100720/sc_afp/costaricaarchaeologycemeterynative_2\
0100720235810
http://www.france24.com/en/20100721-pre-columbian-burial-ground-unearthed-costa-\
rica

I think we've had this 'Maya pools' diving thing before:

http://www.physorg.com/news199023690.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100722102041.htm
http://www.news.illinois.edu/news/10/0721dive.html
http://www.rdmag.com/News/Feeds/2010/07/environment-extreme-archaeology-divers-p\
lumb-the-mysteries-of/
Mike Ruggeri's Ancient Americas Breaking News:

http://web.mac.com/michaelruggeri

Ancient MesoAmerica News:

http://ancient-mesoamerica-news-updates.blogspot.com/
================================================================
OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST
================================================================
Possible earliest evidence of human-canine companionship:

http://news.discovery.com/animals/oldest-dog-fossil.html

Coverage of this years British Archaeological Awards:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-10690484
http://www.culture24.org.uk/history+%2526+heritage/archaeology/art80755

They're thawing out some old scotch from Antarctica:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=39424

The future of reading:

http://www.physorg.com/news198955146.html

A dozen archaeologists relate their most memorable finds:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/07/22/opinion/20100722_Opinion_Archaeolo\
gy.html

On Elizabeth Barrett Browning's 'edginess' (and more):

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/articl\
e7163330.ece

An 1860 meteor(ite?) painting as APOD:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap100722.html

Tracking the evolution of malaria:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/science/20obmalaria.html

Weirdness at Rokeby:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/22/garden/22hudson.html

Tracing a disease along the Silk Road:

http://www.physorg.com/news198836759.html

Female imams from China:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128628514

The Villa Aurora is now open to the public:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/greathomesanddestinations/16iht-rerome.html

A history of the living room:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/19/who-lives-in-this-room

Restoring 'The Gross Clinic':

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/19/arts/design/19eakins.html

A hidden Ribalta has been restored:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=39360

Assorted letters to TLS seem to be of interest:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/articl\
e7163861.ece

More on using computers to decipher ancient languages:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/07/100719-science-technology-comput\
ers-lost-languages-translate-bible-hebrew/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1296214/Computer-program-translat\
es-ancient-language.html?ITO=1490
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/20/lost-languages-resurrected-computers/
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/science/Novel-software-to-decode-worlds-\
lost-languages/articleshow/6193495.cms
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2010/ugaritic-barzilay-0630.html
http://www.physorg.com/news197125636.html
http://people.csail.mit.edu/bsnyder/papers/bsnyder_acl2010.pdf

More on Google's ancient texts project:

http://www.alphagalileo.org/ViewItem.aspx?ItemId=81689&CultureCode=en

More on the antiquity of the Garima Gospels:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/7872496/Manuscript-found-in-Ethi\
opian-monastery-could-be-worlds-oldest-illustrated-Christian-work.html

More on Tibetan evolution and related matters:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/science/20adapt.html

Review of Mary-Kay Wilmers, *The Eitingons*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/books/review/Lourie-t.html
================================================================
TOURISTY THINGS
================================================================
Rome:

http://www.windsorstar.com/travel/Exploring+Rome+many+myths/938344/story.html

Capri (semi-touristy):

http://www.con-telegraph.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=924:on-\
the-isle-of-capri&catid=48:bystander&Itemid=146

Columbia:

http://frugaltraveler.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/in-colombia-pillories-and-the\
-lonely-planet-people

Jewish Catacombs at Villa Torlonia:

http://www.jpost.com/Travel/TravelNews/Article.aspx?id=181739

Hungarian Wine Regions:

http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/travel/25Tokaj.html

Berkshire (UK):

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/articl\
e7163376.ece
================================================================
BLOGS AND PODCASTS
================================================================
About.com Archaeology:

http://archaeology.about.com/

Archaeology Briefs:

http://archaeologybriefs.blogspot.com/

Naked Archaeology Podcast:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/archaeology/

Taygete Atlantis excavations blogs aggregator:

http://planet.atlantides.org/taygete/

Time Machine:

http://heatherpringle.wordpress.com/

================================================================
GENERAL MAGAZINES AND JOURNALS
================================================================
Amphora 9.1:

http://www.apaclassics.org/images/uploads/documents/amphora/Amphora_Spr2010.pdf

================================================================
CRIME BEAT
================================================================
The 'Tome Raider' is back in jail:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=39386
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/books/story/2010/07/20/britain-rare-books.html

More sentences in the Utah case:

http://www.moabtimes.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Three+more+sentenced+in+a\
rtifacts+trafficking+sting%20&id=8847270&instance=secondary_five_leftcolumn
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/49915721-76/blanding-probation-laws-operative.\
html.csp

More on Nova Scotia's treasure laws:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Nova+Scotia+risks+losing+sunken+wrecks+romance+wi\
th+treasure+hunting+reforms+Critics/3293526/story.html
Looting Matters:

http://lootingmatters.blogspot.com/

Illicit Cultural Property:

http://illicit-cultural-property.blogspot.com/
================================================================
NUMISMATICA
================================================================
Pondering whether to declare the Frome Hoard treasure:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-10722715

... and of course, it was:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10727124
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hzi2TQtSqZuj1jVrYSxdSiDpG\
UjA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/somerset/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8845000/8845680\
.stm

More on that Pius coin from Galilee:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138649
http://www.omaha.com/article/20100703/MONEY/707039977
Latest eSylum newsletter:

http://www.coinbooks.org/club_nbs_esylum_v13n29.html

Ancient Coin Collecting:

http://ancientcoincollecting.blogspot.com/

Ancient Coins:

http://classicalcoins.blogspot.com/

Coin Link:

http://www.coinlink.com/News/
================================================================
EXHIBITIONS, AUCTIONS, AND MUSEUM-RELATED
================================================================
A History of the World (BM)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/explorerflash/

Renoir:

http://www.pottsmerc.com/articles/2010/07/24/life/srv0000008885342.txt

Play in Medieval Society:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=39345

Galileo:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/world/europe/23galileo.html

Routes of Arabia:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/24/arts/24iht-melik24.html

Berber Rugs:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/arts/design/23rags.html

Renaissance Drawings:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/articl\
e7160341.ece

Fakes, Mistakes, and Discoveries:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/arts/design/13abroad.html

The refurbishment of the Yorkshire Museum is almost complete:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/york/hi/people_and_places/arts_and_culture/newsid_88\
40000/8840626.stm

The Israel Museum has been renovated a bit:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=39458
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/21/arts/design/21museum.html
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/07/21/arts/design/21museum.html(photos)

Controversy over a 'swastika quilt' donated to the Greeley Museum:

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Salve Venator

I am a veteran. A disabled veteran in fact, from wounds suffered in the service of my country. I took an oath to defend my country from all enemies, foreign and internal. Therefore as a Senator, a Consularius, and as a veteran, I stand behind Marinus against those who try to impede the Respublica.

Vale
M. Moravius Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> What say you, Marine?
>
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator wrote:
> > ...and I ask Marinus to step back and decline.
> >
> > Venator
> >
>
> "I am also moved to ask those amongst us who are veterans of the
> military and naval services of our respective countries, whether or
> not this is a course we would allow in our homelands? ...and keep our
> honor?" - Venator
>

Cato Piscino sal.

Your first error is here:

"A legitimate meeting of the Board of Directors was held..."

No, it was not legitimate, and no actions from it are legitimate either.

Under what authority do you call the comitia curiata to invest imperium in an official of whom no word has yet been spoken? Where is the vote tally? Where is the tribunes' report?

It's astounding - you cannot even break the law with any kind of coherence; you're just running around claiming authority to do this and that and the other thing, hoping to get away with it.

Vale,

Cato

I half expect Piscinus to appoint Obama Dictator of Nova Roma.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

>
>
> Cato Piscino sal.
>
> Your first error is here:
>
> "A legitimate meeting of the Board of Directors was held..."
>
> No, it was not legitimate, and no actions from it are legitimate either.
>
> Under what authority do you call the comitia curiata to invest imperium in
> an official of whom no word has yet been spoken? Where is the vote tally?
> Where is the tribunes' report?
>
> It's astounding - you cannot even break the law with any kind of coherence;
> you're just running around claiming authority to do this and that and the
> other thing, hoping to get away with it.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cato Leonino sal.

But I don't think "fpasquinus" was ever a citizen; he just popped up, totally unmoderated, like Minerva from the head of Iuppiter.

Oh, and you and I should try to write something at the same time so we're not accused of being the same person again...

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "csentiusleoninus" <leoninus@...> wrote:
>
> And perhaps you should indicate that you are 2 citizens.
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@> wrote:
> >
> > To avoid confusions he should indicate that he is an ex-citizen.
> >
> > M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> > PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> >
> > 2010/7/25 Q. Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Metellus Plautae sal.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Salve Matt,
> > > > you renounced citizenship in NR on 2009-06-07. I'm not sure you are
> > > entitled
> > > > to use the name of M. Octavius Gracchus.
> > >
> > > It's positions like this that add to the perception that Nova Roma is a
> > > role playing game. If, when one ceases to be a citizen, they are no
> > > longer who they are here, then we really are just playing roles.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Salve Tiberi Galeri

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus
>
>
> "His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives."
>

Here are some perspectives for you:

Subscribed to the ML are 1456 members.

Voting in the Comitia Centuriata for praetores suffecti were 55 valid votes. That is 1400 people, and one archive, that isn't interested.

Subscribed to the Senate list are 38 people and an archive. That includes magistrates, tribuni Plebis, 29 senators and senatrices and one censorius who is not a member of the Senate. In other words, outside of those involved in the Senate, few care enough about our disputes to even vote.

Out of those 27 senators who were in attendence at the Senate session, 17 voted in favor of the dictatorship, 2 against. So now you have, literally, a handful of senators, five decrying the Senate session as illegal, as opposed to 17, or 15 considering you and Cato initially voted for dictatorship too. So a quarter of those who participated think their view should hold, as opposed to the other three quarters. The same core group who repeatedly blocks whatever legislation our comitia pass. The same core group who form the moderators of the Back Alley where they are free to deride, insult, defame, and slander our magistrates and sacerdotes. Where you discuss whimsical fantasies on how to plot a coup, to sow discord and disrupt our Res Publica.

In spite of what you few share, the majority of the Board of Directors hold the perspective that our Senate rules were followed, that our Constitution was followed, and that the action taken by the majority of the Board was legal. And you know what? The State of Maine Revised Statutes, the section on the Maine Non-Profit Corporations Act, also holds that an action taken by the majority of the Board of Directors, even if not at a scheduled or at a formal meeting, is in fact a legal action of the Board.

There is no point in wasting our time or band space with this any longer. The decision was already made and we shall now proceed on that decision. The auspices were taken earlier today and, with the approval of the Gods, Marinus is now inaugurated, as reported to the Consules, Censores, and the Tribuni Plebis. The Comitia Curiata is therefore called to invest Marinus with the imperium of dictator in order to serve as the Magister Populi. The transition should be completed within days and then we may get back to business.

As I stated on the Senate floor, we have moved beyond the points you continue to rant - and no one is rallying to your flag - so that now the question has become "How many members of this Senate are willing to stand together, irregardless of our differences, to preserve Nova Roma?"

We await your answer.


Vale

M. Moravius Piscinus

Cato Piscino omnibusque in senatu SPD

You are neither a curule magistrate nor a god so my opinion, Piscinus, carries
exactly as much weight in this House as does yours; some might say even more,
since unlike you I am actually concerned about the health of the *whole*
Respublica, and with abiding by the laws of the Respublica.

Is this creature's words the kind of thing that the members of this House can
expect to receive regularly if he becomes firmly entrenched in a position of
authority under a possible dictatorship?

Senator Equitius Marinus has been neither "appointed" nor "inaugurated" as
anything, Piscinus, and you already call him "dictator" and "magister populi".
The word "sycophant" pops readily to mind. Memmius Albucius is a consul of the
Respublica, with the highest imperium in our government. You would do well to
remember that.

I will state plainly and publicly, for the record, that unless it is made clear
by anyone nominated for the dictatorship - by an oath sworn to the gods and
goddesses of Rome and in the name of the Senate and People of Nova Roma here, in
this House - that Piscinus is NOT to be given ANY level of authority under a
dictator, I will, in fact, refuse to accede to a dictatorship.

His poisonous grasping at power will NEVER be reconcilable to creating an
atmosphere under which this Respublica can be healed, no matter how honorable
and true the actions and intentions of a dictator might be.

Valete,

Cato

>
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Galerio Paulino quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Romans,
>
> May we please stop for a moment. We can get back to killing each other
> shortly.
>
> ATS: I would appreciate it if the internecine strife would end,
> permanently.
>
> I would like to inform everybody that my friend and our CFO Equestria Iunia
> Laeca had surgery last week.
>
> She had both her appendix and her gallbladder removed.
>
> ATS: I am sorry to hear this. She is my friend, too, but although I knew
> she was ill, was not aware of the details.
>
> She is not in great shape. She is very weak and is at this moment on her way
> back to the hospital for another blood transfusion to see her through the
> night.
>
> ATS: My best wishes are with her and her family. May she make a full and
> speedy recovery!
>
>
> I ask all Nova Romans to say any prayers you believe are appropriate for her
> speedy and complete recovery.
>
> Vale bene,
>
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus
>
> Vale et valete bene.
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

C. Petronius Dexter Quiritibus s.p.d.,

The "emergency" session was vetoed by the consul Albucius but the "putchists" neglected this point of detail.

The history:
The senator Perusianus describing the situation of Nova Roma in Italy proposed as solution to vote for a dictator and gave the name of the senator Cn. Equitius Marinus. That was the emergency! The first good reaction of Marinus was thinking: "They are crazy!" but instead of keeping his good first reaction, suddenly he agreed to be made dictator if the senators want it. By chance, the consul Fabius Quintilianus had in his toga 3 items among them the dictatorship.

Now the tribunes agenda to call senate to order, is forgotten; senators wanted more. Now tribunes shut up, the senators only vote. Thanks to have convened us, we vote, you watch. And of course, as written on the Constitution, you, tribunes, will lost your right of veto toward any dictator decree. As in Aesop's fable; frogs voting heron as king, tribunes permetting a senate voting for dictator are losing their power of veto. And they do not vote themselves. Here, the "putchists" are real politicians and my colleagues idiot.

Now senators may cross the lines and did not yet follow the agenda of this "emergency" session (vetoed by consul Albucius... a point of detail). As tribune I was whitness of a coup d'Etat. And you must know that if a dictator was elected, the tribunes themselves lose their tribunicia potestas as written on the Constitution. Frankly, do you think that my colleagues can call the senate to make a dictator, a man who abolishes their power of veto? During a session vetoed by consul Albucius? Are they so bad politicians, did they want to commit a suicide? So bad magistrates in order to break their oath of office to defend the Constitution, to protect citizens? A dictator makes void the tribune right of veto, as written on the Constitution. As I said above, tribunes making dictator, is frogs making heron king.

And among the tribunes, there is the Maxima Vestalis virgo. Do you think a such worthy person accepting to break his oath of office? It is not possible, she was elected tribune to defend citizens, no to make a dictator. Not to make, sorry... she can not vote, she watchs, to permit to make a dictator. So senators exceeded the agenda on which they were called and vetoed by consul Albucius... senators care little about this Constitutional veto, as you know. They want a dictator for saving Italy lost. They want a dictator to help Perusianus in his emergency about Italian citizens running away from NR. So sad. Do you think, my fellow citizens, a dictator needed for that? Say me frankly. An energetic Italian governor is most appropriate, is not he?

To make the situation clean, the consul Albucius is now calling the Senate on a new meeting under his auspices and his bundles of rods. Unless putchists decide to achieve their coup...

Continued in a next mail.

Optime valete.

--
C. Petronius Dexter
tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VI Kal. Sext. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cato Petronio Dextero Octavio Corvoni omnibusque in foro SPD

I would remind the quirites and the tribunes that is is, however, the prerogative of any *senator* to introduce business to the floor of the House for consideration.

Valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius Dexter Quiritibus s.p.d.,
>
> My colleagues tribunes did not convene the Senate to vote for a dictator.
> Here the call to order given by my colleague Corvus and then vetoed by consul Albucius:
>
> -----------------------------------
> Corrected: The Emergency session of the Senate Has Been Called to Order - Qvint.
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> please, forgive my mistake, by which I included two items already approved in
> this session agenda: Poltava Municipium and right to use NR logo for me.
> Below is corrected announcement:
>
> Tribunus Plebis Marcus Octavius Corvus omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Salvete, Citizens of Nova Roma
>
> The auspicia having been taken by Censor et Augur Caeso Fabius
> Buteo Modianus and found to be propitious, C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Consul,
> C. Curius Saturninus, M. Octavius Corvus, C. Aqvillivs Rota, Tibuni Plebis have
> called the Senate to order.
>
> The Senate shall be called into session with discussions beginning
> from Monday 00.01 hrs CET Roma, 19 July 2010 to Friday 00.01 hrs CET
> Roma, 23 July 2010 [Sunday18.01 EST 18 July to Thurs 18.01 hrs EST 22
> July].
>
> Voting on the agenda will then begin on Friday 23 July 2010 at
> 00.02 hrs CET Roma [Thursday 18.02 22 July] and conclude on Sunday 25
> July 2010 at 00.02 CET Roma [Saturday 18.02 24 July].
>
>
> For the information of the citizens of Nova Roma, here is a brief outline of the
> Senate's agenda:
>
> 1. Changes to our by-laws must be submitted by the end of the
> fiscal to allow a concordance with our corporate needs a that of the
> Res Publica;
> 2. Appontment of a new CFO is needed before the end of the fiscal
> year;
> 3. Immediate action is needed to correct our IT problems in time
> for fall elections;
> 4. And mounting civil discord, a lack of magistrates, and disputed
> elections do not afford swift and decisive decisions on these and
> other issues as required at this time.
>
> Valete bene in pace Deorum,
>
> Marcus Octavius Corvus
> Tribunus Plebis
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> The first consequence of a dictatorship on the tribunes will be the abolition of their right to veto and intercessio as written on the Constitution.
> -------------
> 7. Tribuni Plebis (Tribune of the Plebs). Five tribunes of the plebs shall be elected by the comitia plebis tributa to serve a term lasting one year. They must all be of the plebeian order, and shall have the following honors, powers, and obligations:
> a. To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against the actions of any other magistrate (with the exception of the dictator and the interrex),
> ------------------------------
>
> So unless they breake the oath of their office to protect citizens against any magistrate decrees by their veto and adopt a suicide attitude they cannot call for a dictator. But, fortunately, as it is manifeste in the message of my colleague Corvus, the Senate was not called to design a dictator.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> --
> C. Petronius Dexter
> tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. VII Kal. Sext. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS wrote:

> Matt, ex-Octavius,

Mr. David-Lloyd Pais Alonso,

my name is STILL Octavius, and it will be whenever I interact with any "Roman"
community, in spite of any efforts to make me an "unperson" by deliberately
choosing not to use it.

Having read said "lex", the requirements it imposes are trivial - so yes,
barring malfeasesance and obstructionism by censores, I can indeed "return at
any time".

And winged simians might then fly from my nether orifice, as a great Chicago
philosopher once said.

Vale,
M. Octavius Gracchus,
Consular and Proud Peregrinus.

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - D. Adams

Salve,
I do I just really love that quote.
DTIC
Nero



________________________________
From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 3:22:09 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Sententia...


Cato Iunio Neroni sal.

You do see the irony of quoting one of Cicero's orations against Catiline at
this particular time, don't you?

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Riku Demyx <rikudemyx@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Salve,
> I cannot of course speak for others but as for me I hardly glance at the
>subject
>
> before deleting anymore. More and more I'm reminded of play yard children and
> less and less of citizens of a micronation that wants to emulate the Roman
> republic. People flaunt what they think to be big issues for days and days
> taking up countless messages of...forgive me, prattle and blathering. We can
> tell someone off for wanting a tattoo "because the romans did not hold with
> such" but then look at us? Would the Romans act this way? If we traveled back
> and told Cicero we are what remains of the republic, he would drop to the
> ground laughing.
> I know it sounds harsh but truth is a harsh mistress. Fighting about the back
> alley and legality or Senate meetings, and whether or not someone is a citizen

> is a sad sorry way to spend our time
> Even now when people read my response I'm 9/10ths of the people will have
> something negative to say, and it will lead to more fighting.
> O Tempora O Mores. Quo usque tandem abutere, populi, patientia nostra? Quam diu
>
> etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet? quem ad finem sese effrenata iactabit
>audacia?
>
> I hope we can pull our stuff together, come back together as one united people

> and be proud again in the name Nova Roma
> Let's not just call ourselves Roman but remember what it is to be Roman
> and actually BE Romans
> Let us cast our petty differences aside and practice our gravitas, dignitas,
> virtus, auctorias, hospitium, and pietas(whichever god you chose to worship)
> Let's make ourselves proud to come from Cato, Cicero, Caesar, and Brutus.
> I mean come on people, WE ARE ROME, our ancestors built the everlasting
> monuments and concepts that shaped modern civilization, we were a golden age,
>we
>
> were a perfect age.
> WE ARE ROME
> We are Romans
> We are forever
> Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant.
> GAIVS IVNIVS NERO.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...>
> To: NR-Main List <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, July 25, 2010 6:45:42 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Sententia...
>
>
> Salvete Omnes;
>
> I am moved to ask whether or not the vast majority of Cives Nova Roma
> are reading this list and taking in what is transpiring?
>
> I am also moved to ask those amongst us who are veterans of the
> military and naval services of our respective countries, whether or
> not this is a course we would allow in our homelands? ...and keep our
> honor?
>
> =====================================
> In amicitia et fide
> Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >
> > ATS: I am sorry to hear this. She is my friend, too, but although I knew
> > she was ill, was not aware of the details.
> >
> > She is not in great shape. She is very weak and is at this moment on her way
> > back to the hospital for another blood transfusion to see her through the
> > night.
> >
> > ATS: My best wishes are with her and her family. May she make a full and
> > speedy recovery!

Maior Paulino sal;
poor Laeca, she was a wonderful colleague, I miss her. May Apollo Medicus watch over her. And I hope she regains her strength soon. I knew she was very ill, but not this.
Apollo ei faveat
Maior

> >
> > I ask all Nova Romans to say any prayers you believe are appropriate for her
> > speedy and complete recovery.
> >
> > Vale bene,
> >
> > Ti. Galerius Paulinus
> >
> > Vale et valete bene.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve,
An apology is I believe due to the people of Rome. I admit I was not aware of
the situation however it was not out of total ignorance, the fighting overlaps
with the issues and I admit myself bored when I try to read through the emails
and all I see is fighting. Granted what is being fought for, as has now been
explained to me is a good cause but I doubt I am the first to simply delete
everything.
The truth to me at least remains that the facts should be stated or at the very
least been posted officially so that this mistake does not happen again, I have
now made a public fool of myself because too many harsh words were involved in
the issues. It is very hard to come home and read through a hundred-literally-
emails to get the truth of one issue, do we not have a listing for
official announcements?
I quoted Cicero not to show similarity to the situation but simply that this
fighting has gone on a lot and has tested the patience of some, if the acts are
illegal then let them be punished that is why law is so deliciously brilliant.
If one were to kill a man one should not have to fight about it for days and
days law says murder is wrong end of story. The thing that gets to me is we're
all fighting about it, if the priests have broken state and NR laws then they
should have their NR citizenship revoked or at the very least be stripped of
their priesthoods, same goes for the members of the senate.
On the dictatorship issue, sometimes(1999 for example) dictatorship
is necessary however as I have stated before it depends on who holds the power,
I personally think that someone should for a time fix the issues we are dealing
with in a final way. If NR is in trouble with the law let someone with the power
to do so fix it, if priests are misbehaving, punish them them retire the
dictatorship and let us get on with our republic.
When I mention the four names you gave proof that three are incompatible however
this is only true if looking at the large picture, look at each man
individually: Caesar may have done some terrible things but he also set laws
that were unbelievably beneficial, defeated the Gauls, and all in all was not
afraid to stand up for himself. Brutus gets honors for stopping Caesar when he
went too far, Cicero's words stopped the tyrant Catiline, and Cato walked around
in beggars clothes barefoot for his rights, to me that's just firm standing of
beliefs.
As a matter of record I do not view your words as negative.
I do not wish to see us fall and crumble, but if we are not careful then the big
issues will not only destroy us then the little things as well, which was the
whole point of my post. We need to band together, there is enough strife in the
world without us going at each other's throats as well. I don't mean to get all
tree hugger on ya'll but: can;t we all just bloody get along?
I must go to bed, I pray the Gods get us through this in one peace, I'd like one
day for my children to know Nova Roma.
Di Vos Incolumes Custodiant
Nero

________________________________
From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...>
To: Nova-Roma <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 6:47:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Felt my words needed their own thread.


Gaius Tullius Valerianus Gaio Iunio Neroni S.P.D.

Salve! I appreciate what you're trying to do and say - I really do -
but I don't know if you fully grasp the seriousness of what is happening
right now. You wrote:
*People flaunt what they think to be big issues for days and days *
*taking up countless messages of...forgive me, prattle and blathering. *
Right now an illegally held Senate meeting has decided to appoint an
illegal dictator, and a dictator is something Nova Roma has only had once
before (in 1999). And then, by all accounts, things were not so bad as now
(I became a citizen in 2000). We have magistrates and even priests acting in
illegal and immoral ways, and refusing to acknowledge this or mend their
ways. We have accusations of impropriety in financial dealings for new IT
infrastructure (to the tune of $10,000+ US), which is serious in and of
itself, and wouldn't even be necessary (as the honored Octavius Gracchus
points out) had certain people not behaved badly. Nova Roma is a non-profit
organization incorporated in the state of Maine, USA, and now Nova Roma may
be in violation of Maine law - its very legal existence is threatened. So
"what they think to be big issues" really are, in some cases, big issues. I
can attest that many involved in this whole thing on both sides would *rather
*be doing something productive, but the current situation doesn't allow for
it - one doesn't sit about reading Vergil's account of the burning of Troy
while one's own house is on fire and burning down around one.
Now, there are people here who like to prattle and blather. Some would
admit to it, some would not. A lot of it usually goes to other lists - like
the Back Alley, which allows blathering, if one is so inclined. But I don't
think anyone is doing either right now.

You also wrote:
* We can tell someone off for wanting a tattoo "because the romans did not
hold with such" but then look at us? Would the Romans act this way? If we
traveled back and told Cicero we are what remains of the republic, he would
drop to the ground laughing. *
* Now, it does seem to be a fact that the Romans (and Indo-European
cultures in general) did not approve of tattooing, seeing it as servile
self-mutilation and perhaps even unclean, and the scholars among us are
right to point this out to those inquiring about tattooing practices. We
are, of course, NOVA Romans, not ancient Romans, and many of us do have
tattoos (I am not among the tattooed, however). It's up to us whether we
want to have them or not. Let us at least hope that we avoid tattoos in
botched Latin that are so common!*
* But as to your question of "Would the Romans act this way?" Ummm . . .
have you ever studied the Romans? Of course they did - sadly. All too often,
in fact. It is indeed sad to see how bad things have gotten lately around
here - but they're not going to get better on their own. Ironically, you
quote Cicero's words denouncing Catiline, a moment of great crisis in the
old Republic. Would you have had Cicero remain silent, and Catiline's mad
schemes succeed. Nor can we of good conscience remain silent when we see our
beloved Republic threatened, Nero. If you don't want to know about the
struggles tearing apart our Republic, hit the "delete" key. There were
plenty of Romans who decided to stay home and not inquire as to what
Catiline was up to, too. But of course, I would rather you - and all good
citizens with a conscience - would get involved. *
* You have a voice here, Nero. It's up to you how you use it.*

**You also wrote:

> * Even now when people read my response I'm 9/10ths of the people will
> have
> something negative to say, and it will lead to more fighting.*
>

I hope you don't interpret my words as negative. They are not meant to
be, certainly. I'm just trying to offer you some perspective.
You said:

> * Let's not just call ourselves Roman but remember what it is to be Roman
> and actually BE Romans*
>

which is a nice sentiment, but being Roman to many of us *means *not
standing by and letting our elected representatives and priests behave badly
and illegally. It means exactly the opposite of standing by and letting that
sort of thing go unchecked.

You wrote:

> * Let's make ourselves proud to come from Cato, Cicero, Caesar, and
> Brutus.
> I mean come on people, WE ARE ROME, our ancestors built the everlasting
> monuments and concepts that shaped modern civilization, we were a golden
> age, we
> were a perfect age.
> WE ARE ROME*
>

Inspiring words, Nero. Many of us on both sides of the current conflict are
here because of our conviction that Rome offered the world something better,
and we are here to offer it again. I would personally disagree with the
"perfect age" bit - there is some irony in mentioning Cato, Cicero, Caesar,
and Brutus in the same breath (Caesar seemed to threaten the existence of
the Republic, so Brutus decided to betray and murder him, but not before
Cato had killed himself rather than surrender to Caesar. About a year later,
Cicero (who often said he had wished that he had been in on the plot to kill
Caesar) had his head and hands cut off on the orders of Mark Antony with the
agreement of Octavian, the heir of Caesar. The people you mention betrayed
and killed each other and themselves. Hardly "perfect." But still
important.

Vale, Nero!

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CHORUS:
Nova Roma's in decline,
What a sad, sad story
Needs a new dictator to restore
Its former glory.
Where, oh, where was he?
Where could that man be?
We faked a crisis, then we "found"
The man for you and me.

LEAD TENOR SENATOR:
And now it's...
Springtime for Roma and Marinus.
Write the proscriptions to-day.
We're going to do real things for us.
Look out, here comes Great Marinus!

Springtime for Maior and Piscinus.
Winter for the Consul from France.
Springtime for Caeso and Curius.
Come on, Romans, go into your dance!

SENATOR "ROLF":
I'm a consul in frozen Thule and that is why I'm a useful tool.

SENATOR "MEL":
Don't be stupid, be a smarty, now we'll crush the Boni party!

CHORUS AND STORMTROOPER:
Springtime for Augures, ueber alles!
Tribunes do goose-steps, today.
Omens fall from the skies again.
Roma is is on the rise again.

Springtime for Modianus "Censor"!
Notas for everyone once more!
Winter for Cato and Sulla.
Watch out, BackAlley.
We're going on tour!

MAIOR:
The Dictator is coming, the Dictator is coming, the Dictator is coming!

SENATOR #1:
Ave Marinus!
SENATOR #2:
Ave Marinus!
LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER:
Ave Marinus!
Springtime for Roma and Marinus!
ALL:
Ave Marinus!

CHORUS:
Our numbers are in decline again.
Roma is on the rise again.

Springtime for Augur and Pontifex!
Vestals are virgins once more!
Springtime for Maior and Piscinus!

Means that...
Soon we'll be going...
We've got to be going...
You know we'll be going....
You bet we'll be going...
You know we'll be going to war!!


--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - D. Adams

Cato Marco Octavioni sal.

With respect, Marcus Octavius, *no* province has the "right" to abandon the Respublica. They would be encouraged to express their displeasure in any number of ways, but running away should not be considered one of them.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
> petronius_dexter wrote:
>
> > as you know conspiracy has all the wheels of the Respublica in its hands.
>
>
> The only things they don't control are the provincial mailing lists.
>
> Hispania walked away from Nova Roma, en masse, two years ago.
>
> Will Gallia now do the same?
>
> They certainly have the right, after their consul was so shabbily treated.
>
> Vale,
> M. Octavius Gracchus,
> Consular.
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
> Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - D. Adams
>

>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Equitio Catoni P. Memmio Albucio Caesoni Fabio
> Buteoni Quintiliano auguribusque quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> C. Equitius Cato Memmio Albucio Fabio Quintilianusque consules SPD
>
> I appeal to both of you, consuls, to stop this madness immediately.
>
> ATS: May I join in? And add some names to this (you know who you
> are...). As I mentioned in chambers,
> please.for.heaven¹s.sake.let.us.have.a.normal.Senate.session. Make the normal
> proclamation, have the augures take the auspices (and not when the friendly
> local meteorologist says that Mr. Cold Front will meet Ms. Warm Front avec son
> et lumière). Do not veto one another¹s call or the agenda. We have urgent
> business to discuss, and need to do so under clear skies, not hurricane
> clouds.
>
> With even the whisper of illegality, the results of any decisions made at this
> point in time will never, ever, be accepted by a faction within the
> Respublica. This will lead to more and deeper animosities and will aggravate
> the very purposes for which the Senate was called.
>
> ATS: I think you are right. Lately everything has been conducted under a
> cloud: the praetorian elections, the senate session...could we please just
> grow up and ditch these puerile behaviors? Everyone should do his duty (all
> concerned are male; the ekklésiazousai might not put up with this crud):
> consuls; call the senate; augurs take the auspices, and everyone act like
> adults, not like children on a playground playing King of the Castle or
> whatever. This is not some silly game. It is serious business. Head butting
> and obstructionism must go. We have important work to do. Let us get at it.
>
> Quintilianus, you do a grave injustice to all those for whom your harsh words
> echo in the House; Albucius, you do as grave a harm by your silence.
>
> Please, I ask you in the name of the People of the Respublica, call a new
> session of the Senate unworried by any question of legality and let us address
> the items presented to us.
>
> ATS: Récté. We can argue about the legality of this past session until
> the cows come home to Cato in NYC. In any case, I view it as highly
> irregular. Let us do things the right way, let us discuss matters as adults,
> and not be blocked by vetos and claims of incorrect auspices and whatnot. Do
> it. We owe it to the citizens.
>
> valete,
>
> Cato
>
> Valete.
>
>

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Salve Moravius Piscinus,



�If I am to be hedged in on every side, to be fretted by the perpetual presence of arbitrary will, to be denied the exercise of my powers, it matters nothing to me whether the chain is laid on me by one or many, by king or people.



A despot is not more tolerable for his many heads.�



WILLIAM E. CHANNING, Thoughts



Vale



Ti. Galerius Paulinus



�Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.� William Pitt





To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: MHoratius@...
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 03:25:06 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Perspectives





Salve Tiberi Galeri

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus
>
>
> "His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives."
>

Here are some perspectives for you:

Subscribed to the ML are 1456 members.

Voting in the Comitia Centuriata for praetores suffecti were 55 valid votes. That is 1400 people, and one archive, that isn't interested.

Subscribed to the Senate list are 38 people and an archive. That includes magistrates, tribuni Plebis, 29 senators and senatrices and one censorius who is not a member of the Senate. In other words, outside of those involved in the Senate, few care enough about our disputes to even vote.

Out of those 27 senators who were in attendence at the Senate session, 17 voted in favor of the dictatorship, 2 against. So now you have, literally, a handful of senators, five decrying the Senate session as illegal, as opposed to 17, or 15 considering you and Cato initially voted for dictatorship too. So a quarter of those who participated think their view should hold, as opposed to the other three quarters. The same core group who repeatedly blocks whatever legislation our comitia pass. The same core group who form the moderators of the Back Alley where they are free to deride, insult, defame, and slander our magistrates and sacerdotes. Where you discuss whimsical fantasies on how to plot a coup, to sow discord and disrupt our Res Publica.

In spite of what you few share, the majority of the Board of Directors hold the perspective that our Senate rules were followed, that our Constitution was followed, and that the action taken by the majority of the Board was legal. And you know what? The State of Maine Revised Statutes, the section on the Maine Non-Profit Corporations Act, also holds that an action taken by the majority of the Board of Directors, even if not at a scheduled or at a formal meeting, is in fact a legal action of the Board.

There is no point in wasting our time or band space with this any longer. The decision was already made and we shall now proceed on that decision. The auspices were taken earlier today and, with the approval of the Gods, Marinus is now inaugurated, as reported to the Consules, Censores, and the Tribuni Plebis. The Comitia Curiata is therefore called to invest Marinus with the imperium of dictator in order to serve as the Magister Populi. The transition should be completed within days and then we may get back to business.

As I stated on the Senate floor, we have moved beyond the points you continue to rant - and no one is rallying to your flag - so that now the question has become "How many members of this Senate are willing to stand together, irregardless of our differences, to preserve Nova Roma?"

We await your answer.

Vale

M. Moravius Piscinus






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C. Petronius C. Tullio s.p.d.,

> He was one of our first citizens, certainly one of our most

productive citizens, and he may have resigned his citizenship (a dark day for our Republic, to be sure!) but he did not and can not resign his self, his identity, as a Roman.

Yes, you are right, as I always am J-F Arnoud even if one day I lose my French identity. No problem. The NR Constitution and laws are silent on this point, M. Octavius Gracchus can keep this name as his. It is only good sense.

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VII Kalendas Sextiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di inferni vos salvam et servatam volunt.

Hodie est ante diem VI Kalendas Sextilias; haec dies comitialis est: Ludi Victoriae Caesaris; profectio ad iter Averni; Aquila exoritur..

The Ludi Victoriae Caesaris continues into its eight day

AUC 817 / 64 CE: Tthe Great Fire of Rome rages for its tenth day.

"Nero meanwhile availed himself of his country's desolation, and erected a mansion in which the jewels and gold, long familiar objects, quite vulgarised by our extravagance, were not so marvellous as the fields and lakes, with woods on one side to resemble a wilderness, and, on the other, open spaces and extensive views. The directors and contrivers of the work were Severus and Celer, who had the genius and the audacity to attempt by art even what nature had refused, and to fool away an emperor's resources. They had actually undertaken to sink a navigable canal from the lake Avernus to the mouths of the Tiber along a barren shore or through the face of hills, where one meets with no moisture which could supply water, except the Pomptine marshes. The rest of the country is broken rock and perfectly dry. Even if it could be cut through, the labour would be intolerable, and there would be no adequate result. Nero, however, with his love of the impossible, endeavoured to dig through the nearest hills to Avernus, and there still remain the traces of his disappointed hope." ~ P. Cornelius Tacitus, Annales 15.42


Di profectio ad iter Averni

"She spoke, and pointed out to him a gleaming golden bough, in the woods of Proserpine, the Juno of Avernus, and ordered him to break it from the tree. Aeneas obeyed, and saw the power of dread Dis, and he saw his own ancestors, and the ancient shade of great-souled Anchises. He learned also the laws of those regions, and the trials he must undergo in fresh wars." ~Ovidius Naso, Metamorphoses BK 14.

Lake Avernus, a crater lake formed in the cauldera of a volcano, was thought to be an enterence to the Underworld. Thus the name for the Underwold became Avernus. The same was thought of the cauldera lake called Lake Pergusa at Enna (Moragantina), Sicily, from which Dis Pater supposedly rose when He seized Proserpina. At Tivoli, where the White Sibyl resided, a special form of sacrifice saw victims led to the water's edge where they would be left to perish in the toxic volcanic exhalations of the place. Lake Avernus, on whose shores the sibyl of Cumae resided, was best known for such exhalations. The procession to the lake may have led to such a place, with the same sort of sacrifices made, these being offered to Dis Pater, Proserpina, and to the other Di inferni. Such locations that exhaled sulfurous fumes, and such sacrifices to infernal deities at such places, were in general related to healing malaria.

"Then there are the virtues of a great number of medicinal springs, and the perpetual fires that burst out in so many places, burning continuously for centuries, and the exhalation of deadly vapours, either emitted from caverns, or from certain unhealthy districts; some of them fatal to birds alone, as at Soracte, a district near Rome; others to all animals, except to man, while others are so to man also, as in the country of Sinuessa and Puteoli. They are generally called vents, 'breathing holes,' and, by some persons, Charon's sewers, from their exhaling a deadly vapour. Also at Amsanctum, in the country of the Hirpini, at the temple of Mephitis, there is a place which kills all those who enter it." ~ Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 2.95 (208)


Our thought for today is from Lucius Annaeus Seneca, On Tranqulity 11

"If Nature should reclaim what She had previously entrusted to us, we too shall say to Her, `Take back the spirit, better than when You gave it me. I do not turn away or hang back. Here ready for You is hat You gave me without my knowledge; I give it back to You with good will; take it away." What hardship is there in returning from whence you came?"

Matt/Octavius

I remember your words. You said (aprox.) " I am disgusted with Nova Roma and
I end my involvement with Nova Roma"

What has changed in Nova Roma? Or just that are too few voices that are
raised to criticize the legal decisions of the Senate? Yes, it must be that
they need your help to make it appear that there are many unhappy citizens.


About what said your philosopher: I have seen worse things out of the mouth
of some.......

M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/7/27 Matt Hucke <hucke@...>

>
>
>
> M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS wrote:
>
> > Matt, ex-Octavius,
>
> Mr. David-Lloyd Pais Alonso,
>
> my name is STILL Octavius, and it will be whenever I interact with any
> Roman
> community, in spite of any efforts to make me an "unperson" by those who
> deliberately choose not to use it.
>
> Having read said lex, the requirements it imposes are trivial - so yes,
> barring malfeasesance and obstructionism by censores, I can indeed "return
> at
> any time".
>
> And winged simians might then fly from my nether orifice, as a great
> Chicago
> philosopher once said.
>
> Vale,
> M. Octavius Gracchus,
> Consular and Proud Peregrinus.
>
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@... <hucke%40cynico.net>), programmer.
> Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - D. Adams
>
>
>

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Salvete

Another side to the thread on tattoos, from http://www.newkerala.com/news2/fullnews-4667.html

Becks, Jolie tattoos spark Latin craze amongst school kids

London, July 21 : Latin, one of the most ancient languages, may be on the road to revival as celebrity tattoos spark a craze for the language amongst school goers.

David Beckham sports a tattoo, for instance, that says ''Ut Amem Et Foveam'' (meaning ''So that I love and cherish'') inscribed on his left forearm and ''Perfectio In Spiritu'' (meaning ''Perfection in spirit'') on his right.

While Angelina Jolie's says ''Quod me nutrit me destruit'', which means ''What nourishes me also destroys me''.

The OCR exam board today launched a new Latin qualification aimed at teenagers as secondary schools
increasingly offer the subject, either during the curriculum or after-hours.

A computer-based Latin course backed by Cambridge University is said to have made it easier for schools to offer Latin.

"''It proves how much demand there is for this great subject and will provide the perfect platform for the next generation of classicists," the Daily Mail quoted Boris Johnson, the Mayor of London and a long-standing advocate of Latin, as saying.

So popular is the language these days that even babies are being named in Latin - Olivia (from Latin ''Oliva'' meaning Olive) and Emily (from the Latin ''Aemilianus'', a Latin family name).

Paul Dodd, qualifications manager for languages and literature at OCR, said, "Latin vocabulary has had a rich and lasting influence on English, as well as being the foundation for modern day Spanish, French and Italian."

"Our new Entry Level qualification provides a good bridge to further attainment as well as providing a way of recognising the skills learned," he added.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <
spqr753@...> wrote:

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> She had both her appendix and her gallbladder removed.
>
> She is not in great shape.
>

I am really sorry to hear this. Of course i will add my prayers to the gods
for her recovery. May the Bona Dea smile on her and may Vesta Mater return
her strong to her hearth.

Flavia Lucilla Merula


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Salve,

Interesting article, but unfortunately this tattoo-based Latin craze definitely hasn't reached us up here in Canada!

Also I'm a little skeptical that the basis for saying that children are being given Latin names is that many girls are named Olivia and Emily... I think it's far more likely that people just happen to like those names. A cousin of mine just named his daughter Olivia, and not because of its connection to Latin!

As for Latin and tattoos - caution is always necessary and I'm hoping that this apparent craze doesn't increase the instances of grammatically incorrect ones! There's a guilty pleasure in marveling at photos of them, but it is quite tragic to know that people are stuck with them.

Vale, et valete,
Livia Ocella


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote

>
> Salvete
>
> Another side to the thread on tattoos, from http://www.newkerala.com/news2/fullnews-4667.html
>
> Becks, Jolie tattoos spark Latin craze amongst school kids
>
> London, July 21 : Latin, one of the most ancient languages, may be on the road to revival as celebrity tattoos spark a craze for the language amongst school goers.
>
> David Beckham sports a tattoo, for instance, that says ''Ut Amem Et Foveam'' (meaning ''So that I love and cherish'') inscribed on his left forearm and ''Perfectio In Spiritu'' (meaning ''Perfection in spirit'') on his right.
>
> While Angelina Jolie's says ''Quod me nutrit me destruit'', which means ''What nourishes me also destroys me''.
>
> The OCR exam board today launched a new Latin qualification aimed at teenagers as secondary schools
> increasingly offer the subject, either during the curriculum or after-hours.
>
> A computer-based Latin course backed by Cambridge University is said to have made it easier for schools to offer Latin.
>
> "''It proves how much demand there is for this great subject and will provide the perfect platform for the next generation of classicists," the Daily Mail quoted Boris Johnson, the Mayor of London and a long-standing advocate of Latin, as saying.
>
> So popular is the language these days that even babies are being named in Latin - Olivia (from Latin ''Oliva'' meaning Olive) and Emily (from the Latin ''Aemilianus'', a Latin family name).
>
> Paul Dodd, qualifications manager for languages and literature at OCR, said, "Latin vocabulary has had a rich and lasting influence on English, as well as being the foundation for modern day Spanish, French and Italian."
>
> "Our new Entry Level qualification provides a good bridge to further attainment as well as providing a way of recognising the skills learned," he added.
>

How terrible. I did not know Laeca, but I have heard good things about her. I will keep her in my thoughts and I wish her a speedy recovery.

Livia Ocella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Romans,
>
>
>
> May we please stop for a moment. We can get back to killing each other shortly.
>
>
>
> I would like to inform everybody that my friend and our CFO Equestria Iunia Laeca had surgery last week.
>
>
>
> She had both her appendix and her gallbladder removed.
>
> She is not in great shape. She is very weak and is at this moment on her way back to the hospital for another blood transfusion to see her through the night.
>
>
>
> I ask all Nova Romans to say any prayers you believe are appropriate for her speedy and complete recovery.
>
>
>
> Vale bene,
>
>
>
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

C. Petronius C. Tullio Valeriano sal.,

>>Please, amice, relax a little! There is no need to attack C. Maria

Caecae!

I did not attack Caeca.
I said that politic is not unpleasant and suggested to her to chose as
tattoos chains.
Because of the events impending.

But, I strongly apologize if my words were kept as offending.

Optime vale.

--
C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. VI Kal. Sext. P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

> Matt/Octavius

David Curiatus,

> What has changed in Nova Roma? Or just that are too few voices that are
> raised to criticize the legal decisions of the Senate? Yes, it must be that
> they need your help to make it appear that there are many unhappy citizens.

I feel the people have a right to know what's happening; that Nova Roma was
brought to this crisis by the actions of those very people who are now seizing
absolute control.

It is because of Piscinus's power grab of 2008 that you no longer have a
supported web site. And most of the money in the treasury is about to go toward
repairing the damage he caused, when he and his allies expelled my friends and
made it so I could not possibly work for such an abhorrent organization.

But, congratulations to T. Octavius Pius on inheriting my job. I like him and
wish him well. $10,000 isn't enough compensation for working with crazy people
- he's giving you an excellent deal. I heard most of the other quotes you got
were in the neighbourhood of $20,000, which *delights* me to no end. Remember
these numbers every time you see the words "Pontifex Maximus", because that's
what it's costing you. $10,000, minimum, because they weren't content with a
majority of Pontifices; they had to humiliate Cassius and Cincinnatus as well.

Furthermore, as the conspirators have been silent about their intentions for the
dictatorship, I suspect that some of my few remaining friends here are about to
be purged. The irregular way this dictatorship came about - an unprecedented
joint session by consul and tribunes together, followed by a last-minute change
of agenda at the *end* of the debate period, the most drastic and far-reaching
item ever considered by the Senate slipped in with only a few *hours* to debate
it... that doesn't bode well, does it? When the conspirators rely on
parliamentary tricks to move their agenda and remain mute on what their actual
intentions are, assuming the worst is generally a safe bet.

So it's vital that the truth be told now, before everything gets locked down
completely, and there are none remaining to hear it.

Many unhappy citizens? No. Many unhappy ex-citizens. This measure only passed
because the Senate has been stuffed with fawning lackeys and "yes-men". And
those Senators who could have stopped it - the people who actually *built* Nova
Roma - have long since departed. I speak for them.

The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.

Vale,
M. Octavius Gracchus,
Remnant of the Old Republic,
not a citizen of Zombie-Roma.

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - D. Adams

C. Petronius Dexter Quiritibus s.p.d.,

> The senator Perusianus describing the situation of Nova Roma in Italy
> proposed as solution to vote for a dictator and gave the name of the
> senator Cn. Equitius Marinus. That was the emergency!

Interesting!

I had not thought Perusianus one of the chief conspirators - I'd have expected
that a dictatorship would be proposed by Piscinus, or Modianus, or Caeso Fabius.

Yet I can see how "plausible deniability" requires that the idea seem to
originate from someone on the fringes of the cabal. Indeed, there is precedent
for it.

For there was another occasion where a Senator stood up, during a manufactured
crisis, and made a speech calling for dictatorial power to be given to one of
his colleagues. That Senator was not one of the "inner party"; he was on the
fringes of the conspiracy only. But his "friends" steered him towards the idea
in private, and he made the speech, and as he wasn't perceived as part of the
cabal, the Senate voted in favour. And we all know what happened next, do we not?

That senator's name was Jar-Jar Binks.

Vale,
M. Octavius Gracchus,
a member of the Rebel Alliance,
and a traitor to the Empire.

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - D. Adams

Salve


This post make me think.
It is said that our website is pretty much obsolete, patched to death, undocumented, and is better to re-make it.
Of course, if M. Gracchus was in charge, he could do it cheaper (or for free), faster, better; or perhaps he would decline the task, feeling the same Sisyphus malaise that he describes. Anyway, i dont feel bad for having to pay for a service instead of receiving a gift from above.
I will donate 50 bucks monthly to NR, until we have 10 kilobucks for this end, so our treasury could be preserved. If, say, 17 cives do so too, we will have the ten-thousand recovered in one year.


Vale
M. Arminius Maior

--- Em ter, 27/7/10, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> escreveu:

> Matt/Octavius

David Curiatus,

> What has changed in Nova Roma? Or just that are too few voices that are
> raised to criticize the legal decisions of the Senate? Yes, it must be that
> they need your help to make it appear that there are many unhappy citizens.

I feel the people have a right to know what's happening; that Nova Roma was
brought to this crisis by the actions of those very people who are now seizing
absolute control.

It is because of Piscinus's power grab of 2008 that you no longer have a
supported web site. And most of the money in the treasury is about to go toward
repairing the damage he caused, when he and his allies expelled my friends and
made it so I could not possibly work for such an abhorrent organization.

But, congratulations to T. Octavius Pius on inheriting my job. I like him and
wish him well. $10,000 isn't enough compensation for working with crazy people
- he's giving you an excellent deal. I heard most of the other quotes you got
were in the neighbourhood of $20,000, which *delights* me to no end. Remember
these numbers every time you see the words "Pontifex Maximus", because that's
what it's costing you. $10,000, minimum, because they weren't content with a
majority of Pontifices; they had to humiliate Cassius and Cincinnatus as well.

Furthermore, as the conspirators have been silent about their intentions for the
dictatorship, I suspect that some of my few remaining friends here are about to
be purged. The irregular way this dictatorship came about - an unprecedented
joint session by consul and tribunes together, followed by a last-minute change
of agenda at the *end* of the debate period, the most drastic and far-reaching
item ever considered by the Senate slipped in with only a few *hours* to debate
it... that doesn't bode well, does it? When the conspirators rely on
parliamentary tricks to move their agenda and remain mute on what their actual
intentions are, assuming the worst is generally a safe bet.

So it's vital that the truth be told now, before everything gets locked down
completely, and there are none remaining to hear it.

Many unhappy citizens? No. Many unhappy ex-citizens. This measure only passed
because the Senate has been stuffed with fawning lackeys and "yes-men". And
those Senators who could have stopped it - the people who actually *built* Nova
Roma - have long since departed. I speak for them.

The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.

Vale,
M. Octavius Gracchus,
Remnant of the Old Republic,
not a citizen of Zombie-Roma.

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - D. Adams

Salvete,
My dear friend E. Iunia Laeca, outstanding human being and true Roman, is in my thoughts.
May de Godesses and Gods of Rome keep her well and healthy!
Valete,

Cn. Iulius Caesar sal.

Exactly!

In the short term we simply have to consider retaining the services of Octavius, and if we have to pay to "patch" this - let us do it and if the current host will not allow the web on its servers due to apparent security glitches, then let us consult Octavius on this too and see what can be done to cure the issues, and if it cannot or if the service provider is being very rigid, let us look around for another host.

Long term a monthly donation is also an idea that has been mooted before and should be explored in tandem with fixing what is necessary to fix in the short term.

I simply don't believe that the only option is to invest $10,000. In fact I know it isn't the only option, but it is the only option that the Junior Consul wished to support. In fact he absolutely refused to consider patching this program, which makes no sense to me when the investment sum is half our treasury and the existing program can be made to function again. Until we have a stable and healthy tax base and a growing membership investing this amount is sheer madness.

If you were about to be laid off, made redundant, from your job would you go and purchase a new car that would deplete your savings by half, knowing that eventually the car would be out of date, that there would be regular maintenance and running costs? Would you think it sane to purchase a car with more bells and whistles and gadgets attached than your current one? Would that be a rational financial decision or a profligate expense that fails to take account of your situation?

So too with Nova Roma. If our revenues sink further or the expenditure outsrips our income, why on earth at this point of what is without doubt a decline would we take such a risk? Whatever the website design, the tools, some people will always detest the choices made. Such is personal preference for technology.

All we need to do is repair our current program and get it back on the road. Anything else is a wasteful indulgence and poor financial management.

Finally, it was this demand for the new program that formed the base for the illegal senate session to appoint a dictator. The junior consul seems determined to hand over $10,000 to a former citizen and one time political ally and maybe friend. It is all exceptionally improper.

Now the "experts" will probably arrive to convince you of the aboslute pressing need to waste $10,000. Remember the car citizens, would you buy a car like that under the circumstances I described? Insanity, as is the whole dictatorship plot.

Optime valete.

--- On Tue, 7/27/10, M Arminius Maior <marminius@...> wrote:

> From: M Arminius Maior <marminius@...>
> Subject: IT and treasury; was (Re: [Nova-Roma] [BackAlley])
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 9:20 AM
> Salve
>
>
> This post make me think.
> It is said that our website is pretty much obsolete,
> patched to death, undocumented, and is better to re-make
> it.
> Of course, if M. Gracchus was in charge, he could do it
> cheaper (or for free), faster, better; or perhaps he would
> decline the task, feeling the same Sisyphus malaise that he
> describes. Anyway, i dont feel bad for having to pay for a
> service instead of receiving a gift from above.
> I will donate 50 bucks monthly to NR, until we have 10
> kilobucks for this end, so our treasury could be preserved.
> If, say, 17 cives do so too, we will have the ten-thousand
> recovered in one year.
>
>
> Vale
> M. Arminius Maior
>
> --- Em ter, 27/7/10, Matt Hucke <hucke@...>
> escreveu:
> > Matt/Octavius
>
> David Curiatus,
>
> > What has changed in Nova Roma? Or just that are too
> few voices that are
> > raised to criticize the legal decisions of the Senate?
> Yes, it must be that
> > they need your help to make it appear that there are
> many unhappy citizens.
>
> I feel the people have a right to know what's happening;
> that Nova Roma was
> brought to this crisis by the actions of those very people
> who are now seizing
> absolute control.
>
> It is because of Piscinus's power grab of 2008 that you no
> longer have a
> supported web site. And most of the money in the treasury
> is about to go toward
> repairing the damage he caused, when he and his allies
> expelled my friends and
> made it so I could not possibly work for such an abhorrent
> organization.
>
> But, congratulations to T. Octavius Pius on inheriting my
> job. I like him and
> wish him well. $10,000 isn't enough compensation for
> working with crazy people
> - he's giving you an excellent deal. I heard most of the
> other quotes you got
> were in the neighbourhood of $20,000, which *delights* me
> to no end. Remember
> these numbers every time you see the words "Pontifex
> Maximus", because that's
> what it's costing you. $10,000, minimum, because they
> weren't content with a
> majority of Pontifices; they had to humiliate Cassius and
> Cincinnatus as well.
>
> Furthermore, as the conspirators have been silent about
> their intentions for the
> dictatorship, I suspect that some of my few remaining
> friends here are about to
> be purged. The irregular way this dictatorship came about -
> an unprecedented
> joint session by consul and tribunes together, followed by
> a last-minute change
> of agenda at the *end* of the debate period, the most
> drastic and far-reaching
> item ever considered by the Senate slipped in with only a
> few *hours* to debate
> it... that doesn't bode well, does it? When the
> conspirators rely on
> parliamentary tricks to move their agenda and remain mute
> on what their actual
> intentions are, assuming the worst is generally a safe
> bet.
>
> So it's vital that the truth be told now, before everything
> gets locked down
> completely, and there are none remaining to hear it.
>
> Many unhappy citizens? No. Many unhappy ex-citizens. This
> measure only passed
> because the Senate has been stuffed with fawning lackeys
> and "yes-men". And
> those Senators who could have stopped it - the people who
> actually *built* Nova
> Roma - have long since departed. I speak for them.
>
> The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept
> away.
>
> Vale,
> M. Octavius Gracchus,
> Remnant of the Old Republic,
> not a citizen of Zombie-Roma.
>
> --
> Matt Hucke (hucke@...),
> programmer.
> Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
> "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - D. Adams
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     Nova-Roma-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

Cn. Lentulus omnibus Latinis et Latinae linguae studentibus sal.

I would like to direct the focus to a cultural and educational aspect of the current controversy, and I think translating this to English would be a nice cultural lesson on how Roman legal thinking interpreted the office of dictator, and when they thought a dictator might be or needed to be appointed.

I give this as a homework, just for fun, to our Latinists and students of Latin language. It is quite difficult, because it is written in archaic Latin style, but that's the better for you! If you translate it, you have learned a bit of Old Latin.

So what said the Romans about dictator, or "populi magister" (as it's called in Old Latin)?

"Ast quando duellum gravius discordiaeve civium
escunt, oenus ne amplius sex menses, si senatus creverit, idem iuris
quod duo consules teneto, isque ave sinistra dictus populi magister
esto. Equitatumque qui regat habeto pari iure cum eo quicumque erit
iuris disceptator." (Cicero, De legibus, III.3.9)

I'm waiting for the translation!

Curate ut valeatis!





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> I feel the people have a right to know what's happening;

Yes, sure, the people has the right to know but does he need a
subjetive information?

> ............................he and his allies expelled my friends and
> made it so I could not possibly work for such an abhorrent organization.

He expelled? I do not remember that thing happen that way, I remember
a few voluntary resignations.....

> ............they had to humiliate Cassius and Cincinnatus as well.

Strange view of things....or stange point of view. Two people who
tried to retain lifetime control of Religio against your own
recommendations

> ............................conspirators..............................................

This sound a persecution mania.

> Many unhappy citizens? No. Many unhappy ex-citizens. ........

Here I will give you the reason.

Are many the unhappy ex-citizens, especially those who have left NR
tired of listening to the panegyrics of Sulla, who have grown tired of
the pseudo-legal debates of Cato and Caesar, those who advised the
Senate of Nova Roma for the existing problems and were treated as
traitors, those who are tired of request changes in NR and only
received the answer that NR is a private club of the founders of NR
and a place where only those who were present at the founding of NR
can speak and decide ....



How many of your friends have left NR? 2? 3? 10? 20? And they left the
organization as a tantrum because things were not made as they said.

My friends, who tired of such demagoguery, have abandoned NR can be
counted by hundreds.

On 07/27/2010 10:20 AM, M Arminius Maior wrote:

> It is said that our website is pretty much obsolete, patched to death,
> undocumented, and is better to re-make it.

Agreed. It was written over the course of eight years, going back to the "stone
knives and bearskins" era of web technology, and it's in a programming language
that isn't really being used for this sort of work anymore. And I really did
think I'd be here forever, so I didn't make documentation a priority...
especially since this was a free site, a *gift* from me to an organization I
loved, and I'd rather work on the exciting features than the dull part.

Some things like century allocation and voting setup were done from the command
line (i.e., an 'experts-only' mode) because I considered those "solved" problems
and would rather work on interesting features like Paypal automation or Album
Civium portraits and rank badges; and I thought I'd be willing and able to take
the five minutes to assign centuries from the command line for years to come -
there's no point in automating something takes five minutes a year!

But then Something Happened in the Collegium Pontificum, and my motivation level
dropped below zero *very* quickly.

> Of course, if M. Gracchus was in charge, he could do it cheaper (or for free),
> faster, better; or perhaps he would decline the task,

I could certainly do it better now - my skills have improved tremendously in the
last two years, because I transitioned from having one job and using one
programming language to having three jobs where I use five languages regularly -
this has led to new ways of thinking, new approaches, better problem solving
skills, and better understanding of the conventions of the Art such that I'm not
constantly reinventing the wheel. It is regularly said in my field that a
programmer's harshest critic is himself, five years later, and this holds true
for me.

Though I've made a few senators aware of my billable rate, I'm not seeking the
job, and I think in any case I'm probably too controversial to be employable by
this organization. I remain available as a last resort only.

T. Octavius Pius, another ex-citizen who tired of all the fighting, has
apparently agreed to do it for about half what anyone else would charge.
Assuming he's still willing, and has the skills, you *absolutely* should hire him.

And try not to piss him off! Programmers in general do *not* take well to
taking orders from people with muddy or illogical thinking; very large billable
rates are the only thing that makes that even temporarily possible.

Vale,
M. Octavius Gracchus,
Prior perl programmer, presently practicing polyglot, peregrinus.

--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - D. Adams

Salve Gnae Iuli,

>
> In the short term we simply have to consider retaining the services of Octavius,

wait.... no. Hell no.

That is not an option. I'm not going to be shackled to this *thing*.

It's gasping, ancient, and in a dying language that I no longer wish to spend my
days immersed in.

I didn't return to this mailing list to try to find work - I have three ongoing
jobs as it is. I am *especially* not seeking a job putting another layer of
duct tape on something I wrote between five and ten years ago.

I also am not willing to facilitate a smooth election this November, for that
will let the Piscinine conspiracy claim that "ALL IS WELL", and the coup will be
swept under the rug. I'd rather sit back and watch the chaos.

If they want to talk to me about converting it to Rails or Django over the
course of an entire year, then I *might* be interested, but there are *lots* of
people who can do that, with a lot less baggage, and more free time.

I *absolutely* *don't* want the perl and duct tape job, especially given the
events of the last few days.

> I simply don't believe that the only option is to invest $10,000.

The other option is to invest $20K.

T. Octavius Pius has given you an excellent price quote (I am told), and if he
is still willing, you should take it. Yes, I know he's a friend of one of the
conspirators who orchestrated the power grab, but it's for that reason that he's
willing to do the work for half of what anyone else (including me) would charge.

> Now the "experts" will probably arrive to convince you of the aboslute > pressing need to waste $10,000.

Much as it pains me to agree with the conspirators, they're right on this issue.
They completely bungled it by failing to work *with* consul Albucius, instead
choosing to bully and then ignore him, but they're right (like a broken watch,
twice a day) on this one thing.

Vale,
M. Octavius Gracchus,
free at last, free at last,
thank gods almighty, I'm
free at last.


--
Matt Hucke (hucke@...), programmer.
Graveyards of Illinois - http://graveyards.com/
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - D. Adams

Caesar sal.

I suspect an exageration here. Nova Roma didn't have hundreds of members to lose in the first place and I highly doubt whether Complutensis has hundreds of friends. Maybe they were all the same person? Given the sockpuppet affair if he did have hundreds of members who left, maybe the same person created hundreds of fake membership applications and was the person who hacked his computer? Or maybe Complutensis was talking to all his imaginary friends in a mirror.

As for pseudo-legal debates I don't know how he has the gall to talk about that, given his skill in making the law up as he went along in the trial of Cincinnatus, to suit the needs of the moment and secure a conviction.

Optime valete

--- On Tue, 7/27/10, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:

> From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] [BackAlley]
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 11:14 AM
> > I feel the people have a right
> to know what's happening;
>
> Yes, sure, the people has the right to know but does he
> need a
> subjetive information?
>
> > ............................he and his allies expelled
> my friends and
> > made it so I could not possibly work for such an
> abhorrent organization.
>
> He expelled? I do not remember that thing happen that way,
> I remember
> a few voluntary resignations.....
>
> > ............they had to humiliate Cassius and
> Cincinnatus as well.
>
> Strange view of things....or stange point of view. Two
> people who
> tried to retain lifetime control of Religio against your
> own
> recommendations
>
> >
> ............................conspirators..............................................
>
> This sound a persecution mania.
>
> > Many unhappy citizens? No. Many unhappy ex-citizens.
> ........
>
> Here I will give you the reason.
>
> Are many the unhappy ex-citizens, especially those who have
> left NR
> tired of listening to the panegyrics of Sulla, who have
> grown tired of
> the pseudo-legal debates of Cato and Caesar, those who
> advised the
> Senate of Nova Roma for the existing problems and were
> treated as
> traitors, those who are tired of request changes in NR and
> only
> received the answer that NR is a private club of the
> founders of NR
> and a place where only those who were present at the
> founding of NR
> can speak and decide ....
>
>
>
> How many of your friends have left NR? 2? 3? 10? 20? And
> they left the
> organization as a tantrum because things were not made as
> they said.
>
> My friends, who tired of such demagoguery, have abandoned
> NR can be
> counted by hundreds.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     Nova-Roma-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

Short memory Cesar, yours short memory.

Imbecillia, egocentrism, smarty..........is that you see in your mirror
honorable Senator.

I have a lot of friends caro Caesar......but really I doubt that you have
another ffriend who is not a keyboard.

The problem is that you do not recognize the obvius, you would not be able
to recognize it having it stuck in the nose.



M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


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SALVETE!

That is to inform that, at this time, after the meeting of the Senate called by the Consul minor and four Tribunes (except Ti. Petronius Dexter), eleven objections to the meeting were received and recorded.
The following Senators presented their written objections to the meeting:

P. Meemius Albucius – Consul maior, Senator praetorius.
Ti. Galerius Paulinus – Senator censorius.
Dec. Iunius Palladius Invictus – Senator censorius.
C. Flavius Diocletianus – Senator censorius.
L. Cornelius Sulla Felix - Senator censorius.
Q. Fabius Maximus – Senator consularis.
T. Iulius Sabinus – Censor, Senator consularis.
C. Equitius Cato – Senator praetorius.
Cn. Iulius Caesar – Senator aedilicius.
Q. Suetonius Paulinus – Senator tribunicius.
C. Vipsanius Agrippa – Senator tribunicius.

VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus

Compy, you are confusing Caesar with yourself. Maybe the illness that
Piscinus is suffering from is contagious?

2010/7/27 M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...>

>
>
> Short memory Cesar, yours short memory.
>
> Imbecillia, egocentrism, smarty..........is that you see in your mirror
> honorable Senator.
>
> I have a lot of friends caro Caesar......but really I doubt that you have
> another ffriend who is not a keyboard.
>
> The problem is that you do not recognize the obvius, you would not be able
> to recognize it having it stuck in the nose.
>
>
> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tsk tsk, such petulance. You displayed that in the farce you outrageously described as a trial. You really should get better at controlling that temper of yours.

As to what I think you see when you look in the mirror, I don't know you enough to say you are an imbecile, but yes I do think you are egocentric, albiet not very smart.

I am sure you do have lots and lots of friends. Did it take an awfully long time to create them all?

Caesar

--- On Tue, 7/27/10, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:

> From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] [BackAlley]
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 11:50 AM
> Short memory Cesar, yours short
> memory.
>
> Imbecillia, egocentrism, smarty..........is that you see in
> your mirror
> honorable Senator.
>
> I have a lot of friends caro Caesar......but really I doubt
> that you have
> another ffriend who is not a keyboard.
>
> The problem is that you do not recognize the obvius, you
> would not be able
> to recognize it having it stuck in the nose.
>
>
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     Nova-Roma-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

Sulla

Thank the gods yours is not contagious......


M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima

Well, that's a given considering I am not ill. ;) OH that's not what you
meant! Hahaha you made a funny. LOL

2010/7/27 M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...>

>
>
> Sulla
>
> Thank the gods yours is not contagious......
>
>
> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Truth hurt you?

Ups! Sorry, forgot you are short-sighted.


M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well sighted enough to know a consular sockpuppet when I see one ;)

Caesar

--- On Tue, 7/27/10, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:

> From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] [BackAlley]
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 12:06 PM
> Truth hurt you?
>
> Ups! Sorry, forgot you are short-sighted.
>
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     Nova-Roma-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

Forgot your problem?
M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima



2010/7/27 Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>:

> Well, that's a given considering I am not ill. ;)  OH that's not what you
> meant! Hahaha you made a funny. LOL
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> 2010/7/27 M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...>
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C. Dexter Sn. Lentulo suo s.p.d.,

> "Ast quando duellum gravius discordiaeve civium

escunt, oenus ne amplius sex menses, si senatus creverit, idem iuris
quod duo consules teneto, isque ave sinistra dictus populi magister
esto. Equitatumque qui regat habeto pari iure cum eo quicumque erit
iuris disceptator." (Cicero, De legibus, III.3.9)

> I'm waiting for the translation!

In classic Latin:

"At quando bellum gravius discordiaeve civium erunt, unus ne amplius sex menses, si senatus creverit, idem iuris quod duo consules teneto, isque avi sinistra dictus populi magister esto. Equitatumque qui regat habeto pari iure cum eo quicumque erit iuris disceptator".

"Lorsqu'il y aura une guerre trop grave ou des discordes entre citoyens, qu'un homme aient le même pouvoir que les deux consuls pas plus de six mois, sur décision du sénat, et qu'il soit dit maître du peuple sous de bons augures. Et que celui qui commande aux chevaliers ait le même pouvoir que celui qui dira le droit."

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VI Kalendas Sextiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Talking to your keyboard?


M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

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No I leave talking to inanimate objects to you with your socks.

Oh do come on, try at least to be a little scathing. Imagine that you have a big pointy hat of office on your head, and someone has told you that you are incorrect. That usually did it. I know witty is beyond you, but do at least try to sharpen your mind.

Caesar

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Salvete,

I'd like to interject quickly and point out to those participating in this thread that while matters concerning impersonation (fpasquinus) and the details of the trial are legitimate objects of discussion and (heated) debate, calling each other names just cheapens the entire discussion and accomplishes nothing except to shut down meaningful communication.

Valete,

Gualterus Graecus
praetorian Quaestor

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:
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> Sulla
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> Thank the gods yours is not contagious......
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> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
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> NOVA ROMA
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Ah Quaestor,

There really isn't anything Compy can say that would affect me in the
slightest. It is like being assaulted by a butterfly. Sure it's illegal
and all, but come on, its a butterfly. No damage worthy of note.

Vale,

Sulla

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:17 AM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...>wrote:

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> Salvete,
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> I'd like to interject quickly and point out to those participating in this
> thread that while matters concerning impersonation (fpasquinus) and the
> details of the trial are legitimate objects of discussion and (heated)
> debate, calling each other names just cheapens the entire discussion and
> accomplishes nothing except to shut down meaningful communication.
>
> Valete,
>
> Gualterus Graecus
> praetorian Quaestor
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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:
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> > Sulla
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> > Thank the gods yours is not contagious......
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> > M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
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