Well, I'm not sure if you've been following what's going on, but one of the
things the Senate is supposed to be dealing with is a plan for the website.
It might have been done by now had the plan not become mired in the
possibility of corruption where the $10,000 was concerned and the efforts of
an obstructionist clique to take over the government with a dictatorship.
Now that the attempted coup has been derailed and those behind it have lost
all credibility in the eyes of the people of Nova Roma, we must hope that
Consul Albucius and the Senate can get back to productive work soon.

As far as the forum idea is concerned, surely you are aware that Nova Roma
had one of those at the start? The switch to a Yahoogroup has not been
universally appreciated, but for the most part seems far more popular than
having to go to a web forum every time one wants to catch up on NR. It's
just easier for most people to have it in their e-mail inbox.

Cheers,
~ Valerianus

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, eagled2 <eagled2@...> wrote:

>
>
> I can and am willing to setup a forum and customize it for our group, but
> the problem is getting people to use it. From what i've heard many people
> have tried to start one up and it has never went anywhere. Unless you can
> get citizens to start using it I was looking for one built or at least
> officially recognized by the government of nova roma. I believe that's the
> only way to get people to trust it enough to actually use it. Like I said
> before someone had told me that they were in the process of re-designing the
> entire nova roma website and I haven't seen any evidence or updates of that
> in the years since I was told that.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stefn
> Ullarsson Piparskeggr" <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Barbatus;
> >
> > Here's one I set up (at a freeserve) in less than an hour.
> >
> >
> http://tavernaromana.netboards.org/index.php?sid=d26b6626878077031dc6dd8a9067e1c2
> >
> > ...and a blog I set up before my dad got ill and I lost the energy to
> > work on it...
> >
> > http://confoederatio-romana.webs.com/
> >
> > The tools are out there to come up with a site (or interlinked sites),
> > which will work with a group our size.
> >
> > =====================================
> > In amicitia et fide
> > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> > Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
> >
>
>
>


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M. Hortensia A. Tulliae spd;
R. optimé factum, hahahae

R= ridens, that was a hoot. I last took German (for grad students) at Duke and Intermediate Latin at UNC and both times was taught by graduate students, the same when I was an undergraduate.
I think it's time to pass out the Estradiol;-)
vale
Maior

> >
> > ATS: I wouldn¹t say that. On top of her academic preparation elsewhere,
> > Plauta has successfully completed an extremely rigorous Latin course devised
> > by a major European Latinist, all of whose graduates immediately qualify for
> > the First Decuria of Latinitas, and is a fine Latinist. Perhaps your graduate
> > school requires this sort of thing, but I certainly encountered no such thing
> > anyplace in graduate school, including at some rather selective institutions
> > of higher learning. Most of us are fully capable of correcting our mistakes
> > once they have been pointed out (and sometimes groaning over them). Those who
> > have difficulty spotting their own errors, who cannot distinguish right from
> > wrong in any of several fields, may require such additional therapy, but some
> > of us do quite well on basics without that sort of remediation, though matters
> > of style and the like really do need correction by a more practiced hand.
> > When you finish your masters¹ degree, perhaps you should hone your abilities
> > by taking Sermo Combined. By now you must have learnt the declensions and
> > conjugations and installed the principal parts of the most common Latin verbs
> > into your head, so you would be ahead of the game. Let¹s see how well you do.
> > You did make some mistakes on such matters in the past.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Maior Scholasticae Liviaeque spd;
> >> > my gratitude to you both. I've studied French, Italian, Russian and
> >> German in high school and university and always had my mistakes corrected.
> >> It's the only way to learn. I appreciate the help and support.
> >> > If only the rest of this list were like you two!
> >> > optime vale
> >> > Maior
> >> >
> >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> >> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I assure you that
> >>>> the correct attitude is to provide corrections to mistakes. The habit of
> >>>> letting students guess where their mistakes are drives them up the wall. (I
> >>>> will let you look up the meaning of this expression, since this is the
> >>>> method you are so fond of).
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach anything... but
> >>> after 7 years of studying English language I was not able to follow a
> >>> discussion. And that is the sort of all the French pupils studying
> >>> English... so, I learnt Latin alone, with my own method, and now I write
> >>> poetries and novels in latin, the last "de Saturnalibus cruentis" will be
> >>> available on the Circulus website on the beginning of september...
> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that it's not my
> >>>> place to decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not happened.
> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before posting, though.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Optime vale.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> >>> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> >>> > > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >>> > >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

It doesn't have to be physical harm. Someone could have a compromising photo for example.

I was just commenting on the meaning of coerce, which is here from the english dictionary:

co·erce (k-ûrs)
tr.v. co·erced, co·erc·ing, co·erc·es
1. To force to act or think in a certain way by use of pressure, threats, or intimidation; compel.
2. To dominate, restrain, or control forcibly: coerced the strikers into compliance. See Synonyms at force.
3. To bring about by force or threat: efforts to coerce agreement.

However, I do believe removing lictors from their office was mentioned which could be seen ans an attempt as coercion.

Vale,

Laenas

Q. Valerius A. Tulliae sal.

If you were to read correctly, you would have known the response was to Hortensia, and not to Livia at all.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Valerio Poplicolae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> > bonae voluntatis S. P. D.
> >
> > My goodness! I thought you had shaken the virtual dust of Nova Roma out
> > of your caligae, and gone on your way!
> >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > In grad school, the professors force you to learn how to correct your own
> > mistakes. Your "training" must have been elementary at best.
> >
> > ATS: I wouldn¹t say that. On top of her academic preparation elsewhere,
> > Plauta has successfully completed an extremely rigorous Latin course devised
> > by a major European Latinist, all of whose graduates immediately qualify for
> > the First Decuria of Latinitas, and is a fine Latinist. Perhaps your graduate
> > school requires this sort of thing, but I certainly encountered no such thing
> > anyplace in graduate school, including at some rather selective institutions
> > of higher learning. Most of us are fully capable of correcting our mistakes
> > once they have been pointed out (and sometimes groaning over them). Those who
> > have difficulty spotting their own errors, who cannot distinguish right from
> > wrong in any of several fields, may require such additional therapy, but some
> > of us do quite well on basics without that sort of remediation, though matters
> > of style and the like really do need correction by a more practiced hand.
> > When you finish your masters¹ degree, perhaps you should hone your abilities
> > by taking Sermo Combined. By now you must have learnt the declensions and
> > conjugations and installed the principal parts of the most common Latin verbs
> > into your head, so you would be ahead of the game. Let¹s see how well you do.
> > You did make some mistakes on such matters in the past.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Maior Scholasticae Liviaeque spd;
> >> > my gratitude to you both. I've studied French, Italian, Russian and
> >> German in high school and university and always had my mistakes corrected.
> >> It's the only way to learn. I appreciate the help and support.
> >> > If only the rest of this list were like you two!
> >> > optime vale
> >> > Maior
> >> >
> >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> >> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I assure you that
> >>>> the correct attitude is to provide corrections to mistakes. The habit of
> >>>> letting students guess where their mistakes are drives them up the wall. (I
> >>>> will let you look up the meaning of this expression, since this is the
> >>>> method you are so fond of).
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach anything... but
> >>> after 7 years of studying English language I was not able to follow a
> >>> discussion. And that is the sort of all the French pupils studying
> >>> English... so, I learnt Latin alone, with my own method, and now I write
> >>> poetries and novels in latin, the last "de Saturnalibus cruentis" will be
> >>> available on the Circulus website on the beginning of september...
> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that it's not my
> >>>> place to decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not happened.
> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before posting, though.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Optime vale.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> >>> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> >>> > > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >>> > >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Poplicola Catoni suo SPD

Move to California then. Or Memphis (while Herenton was still Mayor).

Cura ut ualeas!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Tulliae Scholasticae sal.
>
> I must disagree heartily on one point: I don't think a more dysfunctional government than NYS's is possible. I often find myself read The Post (a guilty pleasure) and thinking, "Even Nova Roma isn't this bad."
>
> :)
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > A. Tullia Scholastica C. Petronio Dextro quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> > > bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
> > >
> > >> > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I assure you that the
> > >> correct attitude is to provide corrections to mistakes. The habit of letting
> > >> students guess where their mistakes are drives them up the wall. (I will let
> > >> you look up the meaning of this expression, since this is the method you are
> > >> so fond of).
> > >
> > > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach anything... but after 7
> > > years of studying English language I was not able to follow a discussion.
> > >
> > >
> > > ATS: They must have been using one of these dumbed-down FL methods such
> > > as have been inflicted on our students for these many years: tourist phrases
> > > and such, useful up to a point, but never suitable to produce fluency in
> > > reading or writing, to say nothing of speaking.
> > >
> > >
> > > And that is the sort of all the French pupils studying English... so, I learnt
> > > Latin alone, with my own method, and now I write poetries and novels in latin,
> > > the last "de Saturnalibus cruentis" will be available on the Circulus website
> > > on the beginning of september...
> > >
> > > ATS: Evidently your own method is far superior to that employed in the
> > > schools. Of course, you have the Assimil text, too, if memory serves, and
> > > that is the same one we use...but with errors corrected by Avitus. You, too,
> > > might like to solidify your knowledge of modern Latin by joining us in Sermo.
> > >
> > >> > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that it's not my place to
> > >> decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
> > >
> > > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not happened.
> > >
> > > ATS: On this you have a point, one with which Marinus appears to agree.
> > > He cannot be appointed to any magistracy until he takes the oath, let alone be
> > > invested with imperium. Unfortunately, the same is true of other magistrates,
> > > and a similar situation prevails with regard to other issues of importance to
> > > the Res Publica...but as long as we have a government more dysfunctional than
> > > that of NYS, one which will not allow a proper Senate session even on a
> > > subject utterly lacking in controversy, we will continue to look ridiculous in
> > > the eyes of the observers and be unable to conduct government business.
> > >
> > >> > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before posting, though.
> > >
> > > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
> > >
> > > ATS: Indeed you do, and a couple of the Sermo I graduates in the second
> > > decuria, since there is no second decurio. Plauta had to write a 300 word
> > > essay in Latin for her examination, and is fully qualified for the first
> > > decuria, more so than some who are there, and some who have been there in the
> > > past.
> > >
> > >
> > > Optime vale.
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > >
> > > Optime vale(te).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Equitio Catoni quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Cato Tulliae Scholasticae sal.
>
> I must disagree heartily on one point: I don't think a more dysfunctional
> government than NYS's is possible. I often find myself read The Post (a
> guilty pleasure) and thinking, "Even Nova Roma isn't this bad."
>
> :)
>
> ATS: LOL! NYS is doing a fine job of dysfunctional governance! We DO,
> however, have the three men in a room syndrome both in NR and NYS...it¹s just
> that their names are different. Things might be different if it were three
> women in a room; we wouldn¹t put up with that crud. ;-) It¹s just SO
> childish.
>
> Now, maybe if Paladino gets elected, he will put on the toga in which he
> would look so appropriate, and actually DO something in NYS. He sure LOOKS
> like an ancient Roman.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A.
> Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > A. Tullia Scholastica C. Petronio Dextro quiritibus, sociis,
>>> peregrinisque
>>> > > bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
>>> > >
>>>>> > >> > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I assure you that

the

>>>> > >> correct attitude is to provide corrections to mistakes. The habit of
>>>> letting
>>>> > >> students guess where their mistakes are drives them up the wall. (I
>>>> will let
>>>> > >> you look up the meaning of this expression, since this is the method
>>>> you are
>>>> > >> so fond of).
>>> > >
>>> > > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach anything... but
>>> after 7
>>> > > years of studying English language I was not able to follow a
>>> discussion.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ATS: They must have been using one of these dumbed-down FL methods
>>> such
>>> > > as have been inflicted on our students for these many years: tourist
>>> phrases
>>> > > and such, useful up to a point, but never suitable to produce fluency in
>>> > > reading or writing, to say nothing of speaking.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > And that is the sort of all the French pupils studying English... so, I
>>> learnt
>>> > > Latin alone, with my own method, and now I write poetries and novels in
>>> latin,
>>> > > the last "de Saturnalibus cruentis" will be available on the Circulus
>>> website
>>> > > on the beginning of september...
>>> > >
>>> > > ATS: Evidently your own method is far superior to that employed in

the

>>> > > schools. Of course, you have the Assimil text, too, if memory serves,

and

>>> > > that is the same one we use...but with errors corrected by Avitus. You,
>>> too,
>>> > > might like to solidify your knowledge of modern Latin by joining us in
>>> Sermo.
>>> > >
>>>>> > >> > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that it's not my
>>>>> place to
>>>> > >> decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
>>> > >
>>> > > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not happened.
>>> > >
>>> > > ATS: On this you have a point, one with which Marinus appears to
>>> agree.
>>> > > He cannot be appointed to any magistracy until he takes the oath, let
>>> alone be
>>> > > invested with imperium. Unfortunately, the same is true of other
>>> magistrates,
>>> > > and a similar situation prevails with regard to other issues of
>>> importance to
>>> > > the Res Publica...but as long as we have a government more dysfunctional
>>> than
>>> > > that of NYS, one which will not allow a proper Senate session even on a
>>> > > subject utterly lacking in controversy, we will continue to look
>>> ridiculous in
>>> > > the eyes of the observers and be unable to conduct government business.
>>> > >
>>>>> > >> > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before posting, though.
>>> > >
>>> > > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
>>> > >
>>> > > ATS: Indeed you do, and a couple of the Sermo I graduates in the
>>> second
>>> > > decuria, since there is no second decurio. Plauta had to write a 300
>>> word
>>> > > essay in Latin for her examination, and is fully qualified for the first
>>> > > decuria, more so than some who are there, and some who have been there
>>> in the
>>> > > past.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Optime vale.
>>> > >
>>> > > C. Petronius Dexter
>>> > > Arcoiali scribebat
>>> > > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>>> > >
>>> > > Optime vale(te).
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Poplicola,
do they also teach you how to pull yourself out of the water by your hair?
Because *that* would definitely make grad school attractive to me.

Optime vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "qvalerius" <q.valerius.poplicola@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:21 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment


Salve,

In grad school, the professors force you to learn how to correct your own
mistakes. Your "training" must have been elementary at best.

Vale.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Scholasticae Liviaeque spd;
> my gratitude to you both. I've studied French, Italian, Russian and
> German in high school and university and always had my mistakes corrected.
> It's the only way to learn. I appreciate the help and support.
> If only the rest of this list were like you two!
> optime vale
> Maior
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
> >
> > > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I assure you that the
> > > correct attitude is to provide corrections to mistakes. The habit of
> > > letting students guess where their mistakes are drives them up the
> > > wall. (I will let you look up the meaning of this expression, since
> > > this is the method you are so fond of).
> >
> > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach anything... but
> > after 7 years of studying English language I was not able to follow a
> > discussion. And that is the sort of all the French pupils studying
> > English... so, I learnt Latin alone, with my own method, and now I write
> > poetries and novels in latin, the last "de Saturnalibus cruentis" will
> > be available on the Circulus website on the beginning of september...
> >
> > > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that it's not my place
> > > to decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
> >
> > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not happened.
> >
> > > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before posting, though.
> >
> > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
> >
> > Optime vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >
>

Cato Tulliae Scholasticae sal.

That's very true, he does. His head shots look like he's posing for a bust. :)

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica C. Equitio Catoni quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> > bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

> > Now, maybe if Paladino gets elected, he will put on the toga in which he
> > would look so appropriate, and actually DO something in NYS. He sure LOOKS
> > like an ancient Roman.

Cato Liviae Plautae sal.

You'd probably have to go to Hogwarts for that. :)

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Poplicola,
> do they also teach you how to pull yourself out of the water by your hair?
> Because *that* would definitely make grad school attractive to me.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "qvalerius" <q.valerius.poplicola@>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:21 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
>
>
> Salve,
>
> In grad school, the professors force you to learn how to correct your own
> mistakes. Your "training" must have been elementary at best.
>
> Vale.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Maior Scholasticae Liviaeque spd;
> > my gratitude to you both. I've studied French, Italian, Russian and
> > German in high school and university and always had my mistakes corrected.
> > It's the only way to learn. I appreciate the help and support.
> > If only the rest of this list were like you two!
> > optime vale
> > Maior
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > >
> > > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
> > >
> > > > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I assure you that the
> > > > correct attitude is to provide corrections to mistakes. The habit of
> > > > letting students guess where their mistakes are drives them up the
> > > > wall. (I will let you look up the meaning of this expression, since
> > > > this is the method you are so fond of).
> > >
> > > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach anything... but
> > > after 7 years of studying English language I was not able to follow a
> > > discussion. And that is the sort of all the French pupils studying
> > > English... so, I learnt Latin alone, with my own method, and now I write
> > > poetries and novels in latin, the last "de Saturnalibus cruentis" will
> > > be available on the Circulus website on the beginning of september...
> > >
> > > > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that it's not my place
> > > > to decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
> > >
> > > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not happened.
> > >
> > > > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before posting, though.
> > >
> > > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
> > >
> > > Optime vale.
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > >
> >
>

Salvete;

Just a test message as Yahoo seems to be intermittently rejecting
Gmail messages.

Valete - Venator

recieved.

~~Aeternia

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <
famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete;
>
> Just a test message as Yahoo seems to be intermittently rejecting
> Gmail messages.
>
> Valete - Venator
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Caeca Aeterniae S. P. D.

thank you for that, Aeternia. I did, and do, understand that everyone
involved is extremely busy, but ...well, I am what I am, and, logical or
not, I worry, just a bit, especially when I realized that they began that
trip on a dark day ...although I tried to convince myself that it wasn't
*really* a beginning of a project, and that the trip was just part of the
ongoing plan. Still and all, I'm glad to know this.

Vale Quam Optime,
Maria Caeca

Maior Caecae Aeterniaeque spd; starting a trip on a dies ater isn't a good thing, but i assume the couples are married now and let's all wish them well.
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Caeca Aeterniae S. P. D.
>
> thank you for that, Aeternia. I did, and do, understand that everyone
> involved is extremely busy, but ...well, I am what I am, and, logical or
> not, I worry, just a bit, especially when I realized that they began that
> trip on a dark day ...although I tried to convince myself that it wasn't
> *really* a beginning of a project, and that the trip was just part of the
> ongoing plan. Still and all, I'm glad to know this.
>
> Vale Quam Optime,
> Maria Caeca
>

Salvete,

I'm back from my recluse with babysitting the dog, Moses.

I think you are right, Poplicola, when it comes to be trained. It's like
the metaphoric analogy about a beauty school in Missouri. The best ones
are usually hired out to the best companies. The poorly trained ones
either get expelled or have to be taught again. It's how you cut hair to
how the person likes it.

On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:32:58 -0500, L. Livia Plauta
<livia.plauta@...> wrote:

> Salve Poplicola,
> do they also teach you how to pull yourself out of the water by your
> hair?
> Because *that* would definitely make grad school attractive to me.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "qvalerius" <q.valerius.poplicola@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:21 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
>
>
> Salve,
>
> In grad school, the professors force you to learn how to correct your own
> mistakes. Your "training" must have been elementary at best.
>
> Vale.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>>
>> Maior Scholasticae Liviaeque spd;
>> my gratitude to you both. I've studied French, Italian, Russian and
>> German in high school and university and always had my mistakes
>> corrected.
>> It's the only way to learn. I appreciate the help and support.
>> If only the rest of this list were like you two!
>> optime vale
>> Maior
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
>> >
>> > > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I assure you that
>> the
>> > > correct attitude is to provide corrections to mistakes. The habit of
>> > > letting students guess where their mistakes are drives them up the
>> > > wall. (I will let you look up the meaning of this expression, since
>> > > this is the method you are so fond of).
>> >
>> > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach anything... but
>> > after 7 years of studying English language I was not able to follow a
>> > discussion. And that is the sort of all the French pupils studying
>> > English... so, I learnt Latin alone, with my own method, and now I
>> write
>> > poetries and novels in latin, the last "de Saturnalibus cruentis" will
>> > be available on the Circulus website on the beginning of september...
>> >
>> > > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that it's not my
>> place
>> > > to decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
>> >
>> > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not happened.
>> >
>> > > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before posting, though.
>> >
>> > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
>> >
>> > Optime vale.
>> >
>> > C. Petronius Dexter
>> > Arcoiali scribebat
>> > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>> >
>>
>
>
>

--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

So does piracy of internet files or smoking pot or cigarettes. It doesn't
take a stranger a long time to get me coerce me to smoke again or even the
brain telling me to get ciggaretes from the stranger.

On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:27:41 -0500, Gaius <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:

> It doesn't have to be physical harm. Someone could have a compromising
> photo for example.
>
> I was just commenting on the meaning of coerce, which is here from the
> english dictionary:
>
> co·erce (k-ûrs)
> tr.v. co·erced, co·erc·ing, co·erc·es
> 1. To force to act or think in a certain way by use of pressure,
> threats, or intimidation; compel.
> 2. To dominate, restrain, or control forcibly: coerced the strikers into
> compliance. See Synonyms at force.
> 3. To bring about by force or threat: efforts to coerce agreement.
>
> However, I do believe removing lictors from their office was mentioned
> which could be seen ans an attempt as coercion.
>
> Vale,
>
> Laenas
>


--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Salvete omnes,

I have noticed with increasing interest the slow trickle of witnessing
statements by our various lictores concerning the appointment of Gnaeus
Equitius Marinus to the post of Dictator, despite the fact that he
himself has stated that the vote in the Senate was improperly called.

Have the lictores perhaps just missed that statement by the Dictator
Presumptive?

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, may I ask why you have not been more visible in
your corrections to these erroneous witnessing statements? A more
cynical man than I might think that you had calculated that you had
already made your pro forma denial, and were simply waiting for the
Dictatorship to drop into your hands like an overripe peach. Having
denied the grass crown once, you were free to pick it up when offered
again. I believe you are not such a person.

I would urge you to definitively tell these lictores, every time one of
them follows the apparent instructions of the Pontifex Maximus in
contravention of both the laws of Nova Roma and the rules of the Senate,
that they are in error in witnessing an act that has not, in fact, taken
place.

I wouldn't think it would be necessary to do so repeatedly, but
apparently the lictores didn't get the message. For the sake of the
appearance of propriety, and to reassure us all that your protestations
were not merely some sort of sham to ease your way into the dictator's
box on the organizational chart, please correct these lictores and once
more denounce the Senate's unconstitutional vote. If necessary, each and
every time a lictor acts improperly on this matter.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

>
>
>
> A.Tullia Scholastica C. Equitio Catoni quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis (praesertim illis Novi Eboraci habitantibus) S.P.D.
>
> Cato Tulliae Scholasticae sal.
>
> That's very true, he does. His head shots look like he's posing for a bust.
> :)
>
> ATS: LOL! I have never seen any living person look more like an ancient
> Roman than he does. He should ditch that shirt and tie and get a nice tunica
> and toga. Now, maybe that (or CP ipse) is not appreciated in certain
> quarters, for some R pol in training approached me with about 15 petitions to
> sign, but said I didn¹t have to sign the one for Carl Paladino...we can guess
> why.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A.
> Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>> >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > A. Tullia Scholastica C. Equitio Catoni quiritibus, sociis,
>>> peregrinisque
>>> > > bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>>> > > Now, maybe if Paladino gets elected, he will put on the toga in
>>> which he
>>> > > would look so appropriate, and actually DO something in NYS. He sure
>>> LOOKS
>>> > > like an ancient Roman.
>
>
>

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>
> Scholastica Venatori omnibusque S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salvete;
>
> Just a test message as Yahoo seems to be intermittently rejecting
> Gmail messages.
>
> ATS: It¹s not just gmail; I couldn¹t post to a list last night. The
> Yahoo team sent us a message about this, but of course they have not yet
> discovered the reason.
>
> Valete ­ Venator
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>

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Salve et Salvete;

As a Lictor who pays attention to the propriety of things, when called
to witness Imperium for something not passed by a vetoed Senate
session, I simply replied "No."

===========================
In amicitia et fide
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis et Lictor

I was aware that the senate was working on a new site quite a while ago that's why I was suprised to see no changes. I have not had time to follow many messages for a while and am just getting back. I'm glad everything is worked out now and they can make some progress now. I was not aware that they had a forum site in the beginning. I understand why a lot of people would prefer email but for myself still prefer something more organized. I'm sure i'm not the only one but we do have to keep everyone in mind. Surely there is an option that will allow those that prefer email to read from email and still have everything posted on a forum site. My idea was to integrate a forum program in the new site but still keep yahoo groups for the main topics. Then have those groups automatically get posted on the forum. Then everyone gets what they want. I had a forum that did something like that with rss feeds that worked out well. It would probably take a bit of work to figure out how to securely allow members to recieve emails of new posts and keep it organized on the forum but with all of us members someone ought to be able to figure it out.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I'm not sure if you've been following what's going on, but one of the
> things the Senate is supposed to be dealing with is a plan for the website.
> It might have been done by now had the plan not become mired in the
> possibility of corruption where the $10,000 was concerned and the efforts of
> an obstructionist clique to take over the government with a dictatorship.
> Now that the attempted coup has been derailed and those behind it have lost
> all credibility in the eyes of the people of Nova Roma, we must hope that
> Consul Albucius and the Senate can get back to productive work soon.
>
> As far as the forum idea is concerned, surely you are aware that Nova Roma
> had one of those at the start? The switch to a Yahoogroup has not been
> universally appreciated, but for the most part seems far more popular than
> having to go to a web forum every time one wants to catch up on NR. It's
> just easier for most people to have it in their e-mail inbox.
>
> Cheers,
> ~ Valerianus
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, eagled2 <eagled2@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I can and am willing to setup a forum and customize it for our group, but
> > the problem is getting people to use it. From what i've heard many people
> > have tried to start one up and it has never went anywhere. Unless you can
> > get citizens to start using it I was looking for one built or at least
> > officially recognized by the government of nova roma. I believe that's the
> > only way to get people to trust it enough to actually use it. Like I said
> > before someone had told me that they were in the process of re-designing the
> > entire nova roma website and I haven't seen any evidence or updates of that
> > in the years since I was told that.
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stefn
> > Ullarsson Piparskeggr" <famila.ulleria.venii@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Barbatus;
> > >
> > > Here's one I set up (at a freeserve) in less than an hour.
> > >
> > >
> > http://tavernaromana.netboards.org/index.php?sid=d26b6626878077031dc6dd8a9067e1c2
> > >
> > > ...and a blog I set up before my dad got ill and I lost the energy to
> > > work on it...
> > >
> > > http://confoederatio-romana.webs.com/
> > >
> > > The tools are out there to come up with a site (or interlinked sites),
> > > which will work with a group our size.
> > >
> > > =====================================
> > > In amicitia et fide
> > > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> > > Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

C. Petronius C. Mariae Caecae s.p.d.,

You are right to be anxious and to note that religio Romana is often neglected, certainly more by ignorance than by bad spirit.
But Cn. Cornelius is not a novice nor M. Octavius Corvus. They certainly assume their errors. Now, Gods for me give us signs of their celestian anger, since long time now. Sarmatia is on fires.

Unfortunately, the tribune Corvus, citizen of Sarmatia, is both involved in a bad senate affair, a tendancious tribune reporting in which he made many errors, and in these wedding parodies... but Gods here are not understood, even by some members of the Collegium Pontificum...

In this confarreationes affair, I have my opinion and my opinion is to update this sort of marriages in Nova Roma. If you want to know the strict rights towards the wives married under a confarreatio, read the Institutes of Gaius. The rights of wife married under confarreatio are similar to the right of a woman married under the muslim wedding, for the best...

Your respect for the religio Romana is very apprecied.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Flamen Portunalis Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VIII Idus Sextiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

No, they teach you to swim. And look up words like "coercion" in the dictionary, but really, you should have been doing that years ago.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Poplicola,
> do they also teach you how to pull yourself out of the water by your hair?
> Because *that* would definitely make grad school attractive to me.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "qvalerius" <q.valerius.poplicola@>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:21 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
>
>
> Salve,
>
> In grad school, the professors force you to learn how to correct your own
> mistakes. Your "training" must have been elementary at best.
>
> Vale.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Maior Scholasticae Liviaeque spd;
> > my gratitude to you both. I've studied French, Italian, Russian and
> > German in high school and university and always had my mistakes corrected.
> > It's the only way to learn. I appreciate the help and support.
> > If only the rest of this list were like you two!
> > optime vale
> > Maior
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > >
> > > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
> > >
> > > > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I assure you that the
> > > > correct attitude is to provide corrections to mistakes. The habit of
> > > > letting students guess where their mistakes are drives them up the
> > > > wall. (I will let you look up the meaning of this expression, since
> > > > this is the method you are so fond of).
> > >
> > > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach anything... but
> > > after 7 years of studying English language I was not able to follow a
> > > discussion. And that is the sort of all the French pupils studying
> > > English... so, I learnt Latin alone, with my own method, and now I write
> > > poetries and novels in latin, the last "de Saturnalibus cruentis" will
> > > be available on the Circulus website on the beginning of september...
> > >
> > > > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that it's not my place
> > > > to decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
> > >
> > > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not happened.
> > >
> > > > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before posting, though.
> > >
> > > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
> > >
> > > Optime vale.
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > >
> >
>

>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Aquilae D quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> It would be helpful if you would supply us with your name so that we might
> address you correctly.
>
>
> I was aware that the senate was working on a new site quite a while ago that's
> why I was suprised to see no changes.
>
> ATS: You wouldn¹t be if you were in the Senate. We have not been allowed
> to discuss this issue, or any other, due to squabbling between the consules
> and among others. Albucius vetoed discussion of this issue in one Senate
> session, then vetoed the next Senate session altogether, though it was jointly
> convened by the tribuni, and then conducted a Senate session whose auspices
> did not meet with the approval of the augures. Thus all recent Senate
> sessions have been held under various clouds, and even in one which was fully
> legal, the matter of IT issues could not be addressed.
>
>
>
> I have not had time to follow many messages for a while and am just getting
> back. I'm glad everything is worked out now and they can make some progress
> now.
>
> ATS: Sorry to rain on your parade, but very little, if anything, has been
> worked out on the IT issue, the entry of the tribunes into office, the
> ratification of the praetorial election, the minor matter of appointing a
> dictator to put an end to this paralysis... We have schoolboy squabbles, and
> the government of NR is paralyzed as if stricken by some Harry Potter spell.
> Some like it that way, and some don¹t care, but those of us who do care have a
> different take on this mess. Several of us senators have practically begged
> for a proper Senate session minus the vetoes and the auspice problems, but no
> movement appears to have occurred on that front. Oh, and the genuine
> obstructionists don¹t seem to belong to the group which proposed a
> dictatorship (not that a Roman one should be confused with the modern
> version), and I seriously doubt that any corruption would be involved with the
> party who offered a good deal on the cybernetic makeover. Even in my own
> field, some folks have hyperactive imaginations. There are those who seem to
> be reading their own ideas and motivations into the minds of others, and that
> is not a good thing to do.
>
>
> I was not aware that they had a forum site in the beginning. I understand why
> a lot of people would prefer email but for myself still prefer something more
> organized.
>
> ATS: We apparently did (before my time), and one province still has
> one...unused. I am on over 80 Yahoo lists as well as supposedly receiving
> posts from my five online classes, though the ISP is not being helpful about
> the latter. Fortunately school is out, but I am registering students and have
> some site work to perform, and would be pleased if my messages landed in my
> mailbox. Like many others here, I do not have time to patrol dozens of fora
> in order to read the mail...or even one! Some have claimed that they can send
> e-mail to those who prefer it from these fora, but I have seen no evidence
> thereof.
>
>
> I'm sure i'm not the only one but we do have to keep everyone in mind. Surely
> there is an option that will allow those that prefer email to read from email
> and still have everything posted on a forum site.
>
> ATS: Some claim that they could, but I seem to recall that they
> encountered considerable difficulty, and found this impossible. This topic
> comes up periodically, but is not a realistic option, especially for those
> with limited cybernetic expertise. Not everyone here is a 25 year old male
> with five computers and two dozen game machines. One must also consider our
> visually-impaired, blind, and otherwise handicapped members, who almost
> certainly would find navigating such a system even more challenging than
> dealing with the present one.
>
>
>
> My idea was to integrate a forum program in the new site but still keep yahoo
> groups for the main topics. Then have those groups automatically get posted on
> the forum. Then everyone gets what they want. I had a forum that did something
> like that with rss feeds that worked out well. It would probably take a bit of
> work to figure out how to securely allow members to recieve emails of new
> posts and keep it organized on the forum but with all of us members someone
> ought to be able to figure it out.
>
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , Gaius
> Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
>> >
>
>> > As far as the forum idea is concerned, surely you are aware that Nova Roma
>> > had one of those at the start? The switch to a Yahoogroup has not been
>> > universally appreciated, but for the most part seems far more popular than
>> > having to go to a web forum every time one wants to catch up on NR. It's
>> > just easier for most people to have it in their e-mail inbox.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > ~ Valerianus
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, eagled2 <eagled2@...> wrote:
>> >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > I can and am willing to setup a forum and customize it for our group,

but

>>> > > the problem is getting people to use it. From what i've heard many
>>> people
>>> > > have tried to start one up and it has never went anywhere. Unless you

can

>>> > > get citizens to start using it I was looking for one built or at least
>>> > > officially recognized by the government of nova roma. I believe that's

the

>>> > > only way to get people to trust it enough to actually use it. Like I >>>

said

>>> > > before someone had told me that they were in the process of re-designing

the

>>> > > entire nova roma website and I haven't seen any evidence or updates of
>>> that
>>> > > in the years since I was told that.
>>> > >
>>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stefn
>>> > > Ullarsson Piparskeggr" <famila.ulleria.venii@> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Salve Barbatus;
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Here's one I set up (at a freeserve) in less than an hour.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>>

http://tavernaromana.netboards.org/index.php?sid=d26b6626878077031dc6dd8a906>>>
7e1c2

>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > ...and a blog I set up before my dad got ill and I lost the energy to
>>>> > > > work on it...
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > http://confoederatio-romana.webs.com/
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > The tools are out there to come up with a site (or interlinked >>>>

sites),

>>>> > > > which will work with a group our size.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > =====================================
>>>> > > > In amicitia et fide
>>>> > > > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
>>>> > > > Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
>>>> > > >
>>> > >
>
>

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C. Petronius A. Scholasticae s.p.d.,

>> ATS: Some like it that way, and some don¹t care, but those of us who do care have a different take on this mess. Several of us senators have practically begged for a proper Senate session

CPD: As tribune of the Plebs, I am the one who begged this too...

ATS: Oh, and the genuine obstructionists don¹t seem to belong to the group which proposed a dictatorship (not that a Roman one should be confused with the modern version),

CPD: Yes they are, because they did not give to the Consul veto its entire and constitutional consequences and made a very tendancious report of this vetoed Senate session. Secondly, about dictatorship, the Item III, although void because vetoed, is not the best way to show us what were a true Roman dictatorship. Too many tasks for a 6 months extraordinary magistracy, and worst a "carte blanche" dictatorship is also given in the tasks wirth this unconstitutional sentence:
"The Senate conveys resolution of the following tasks, *although not
limited to these alone*, to Cn. Equitius Marinus:"

*although not limited to these alone*... id est more and not precised tasks. So it is absolutely not Roman, in which the lex de imperio was always very precise. Here the text leaves all powers to the "dictator" even in tasks not voted by senators.

But, fortunately, this session was vetoed and is absolutely void.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VIII Idus Sextiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Aulus Valerius Barbatus S.P.D.
Sorry about forgetting my name. I put it on the first post and then just spaced it cause I don't check this group from my email account. Thank you for your information. That answers a lot of questions I had regarding the matter. As you said there are certainly a lot of things to consider. I have done some research on my own and as you said a forum that meets all the needs of this community is not an easy task.

I also would not want to have to go to several different forums everytime I want to check up on nova roma. That's why a was hoping for an officially recognized forum. That way we can setup areas for all the different groups and let those group leaders control who gets access to there part of the site.

I also understand that some people may not want to leave this system for whatever reason. One possible solution I have found that would be practical is to make an RSS feed of the mailing groups and have that auto posted to the forum. There are forums that make auto posting from rss feeds very simple.

One solution to making the rss feed is to use a gmail account. Gmail has the option to check your email from an rss feed. With this you could setup an account that recieves all the messages for the group one at a time and use that rss feed. Since the url of the feed includes the password you would want this to be an account dedicated for this purpose only. The address would only be visible to those you want to have access to that part of the forum. All this would be fairly simple to setup and someone with a little php programming experiance could probably make a custom theme to make it look like the rest of the website.

What are your thoughts on this idea? Do you think it would be beneficial to our members and do you think the citizens would use it?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica Aquilae D quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> > It would be helpful if you would supply us with your name so that we might
> > address you correctly.
> >
> >
> > I was aware that the senate was working on a new site quite a while ago that's
> > why I was suprised to see no changes.
> >
> > ATS: You wouldn¹t be if you were in the Senate. We have not been allowed
> > to discuss this issue, or any other, due to squabbling between the consules
> > and among others. Albucius vetoed discussion of this issue in one Senate
> > session, then vetoed the next Senate session altogether, though it was jointly
> > convened by the tribuni, and then conducted a Senate session whose auspices
> > did not meet with the approval of the augures. Thus all recent Senate
> > sessions have been held under various clouds, and even in one which was fully
> > legal, the matter of IT issues could not be addressed.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have not had time to follow many messages for a while and am just getting
> > back. I'm glad everything is worked out now and they can make some progress
> > now.
> >
> > ATS: Sorry to rain on your parade, but very little, if anything, has been
> > worked out on the IT issue, the entry of the tribunes into office, the
> > ratification of the praetorial election, the minor matter of appointing a
> > dictator to put an end to this paralysis... We have schoolboy squabbles, and
> > the government of NR is paralyzed as if stricken by some Harry Potter spell.
> > Some like it that way, and some don¹t care, but those of us who do care have a
> > different take on this mess. Several of us senators have practically begged
> > for a proper Senate session minus the vetoes and the auspice problems, but no
> > movement appears to have occurred on that front. Oh, and the genuine
> > obstructionists don¹t seem to belong to the group which proposed a
> > dictatorship (not that a Roman one should be confused with the modern
> > version), and I seriously doubt that any corruption would be involved with the
> > party who offered a good deal on the cybernetic makeover. Even in my own
> > field, some folks have hyperactive imaginations. There are those who seem to
> > be reading their own ideas and motivations into the minds of others, and that
> > is not a good thing to do.
> >
> >
> > I was not aware that they had a forum site in the beginning. I understand why
> > a lot of people would prefer email but for myself still prefer something more
> > organized.
> >
> > ATS: We apparently did (before my time), and one province still has
> > one...unused. I am on over 80 Yahoo lists as well as supposedly receiving
> > posts from my five online classes, though the ISP is not being helpful about
> > the latter. Fortunately school is out, but I am registering students and have
> > some site work to perform, and would be pleased if my messages landed in my
> > mailbox. Like many others here, I do not have time to patrol dozens of fora
> > in order to read the mail...or even one! Some have claimed that they can send
> > e-mail to those who prefer it from these fora, but I have seen no evidence
> > thereof.
> >
> >
> > I'm sure i'm not the only one but we do have to keep everyone in mind. Surely
> > there is an option that will allow those that prefer email to read from email
> > and still have everything posted on a forum site.
> >
> > ATS: Some claim that they could, but I seem to recall that they
> > encountered considerable difficulty, and found this impossible. This topic
> > comes up periodically, but is not a realistic option, especially for those
> > with limited cybernetic expertise. Not everyone here is a 25 year old male
> > with five computers and two dozen game machines. One must also consider our
> > visually-impaired, blind, and otherwise handicapped members, who almost
> > certainly would find navigating such a system even more challenging than
> > dealing with the present one.
> >
> >
> >
> > My idea was to integrate a forum program in the new site but still keep yahoo
> > groups for the main topics. Then have those groups automatically get posted on
> > the forum. Then everyone gets what they want. I had a forum that did something
> > like that with rss feeds that worked out well. It would probably take a bit of
> > work to figure out how to securely allow members to recieve emails of new
> > posts and keep it organized on the forum but with all of us members someone
> > ought to be able to figure it out.
> >
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , Gaius
> > Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@> wrote:
> >> >
> >
> >> > As far as the forum idea is concerned, surely you are aware that Nova Roma
> >> > had one of those at the start? The switch to a Yahoogroup has not been
> >> > universally appreciated, but for the most part seems far more popular than
> >> > having to go to a web forum every time one wants to catch up on NR. It's
> >> > just easier for most people to have it in their e-mail inbox.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > ~ Valerianus
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, eagled2 <eagled2@> wrote:
> >> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I can and am willing to setup a forum and customize it for our group,
> but
> >>> > > the problem is getting people to use it. From what i've heard many
> >>> people
> >>> > > have tried to start one up and it has never went anywhere. Unless you
> can
> >>> > > get citizens to start using it I was looking for one built or at least
> >>> > > officially recognized by the government of nova roma. I believe that's
> the
> >>> > > only way to get people to trust it enough to actually use it. Like I >>>
> said
> >>> > > before someone had told me that they were in the process of re-designing
> the
> >>> > > entire nova roma website and I haven't seen any evidence or updates of
> >>> that
> >>> > > in the years since I was told that.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>> <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stefn
> >>> > > Ullarsson Piparskeggr" <famila.ulleria.venii@> wrote:
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Salve Barbatus;
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Here's one I set up (at a freeserve) in less than an hour.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >>>
> http://tavernaromana.netboards.org/index.php?sid=d26b6626878077031dc6dd8a906>>>
> 7e1c2
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > ...and a blog I set up before my dad got ill and I lost the energy to
> >>>> > > > work on it...
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > http://confoederatio-romana.webs.com/
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > The tools are out there to come up with a site (or interlinked >>>>
> sites),
> >>>> > > > which will work with a group our size.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > =====================================
> >>>> > > > In amicitia et fide
> >>>> > > > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> >>>> > > > Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
> >>>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Sapite animo; fruamini anima.

Hodie est ante diem VIII Eidus Sextiliae; haec dies fastus aterque est:

AUGURIUM SALUTIS

Temporarily the Romans had a respite from war for the remainder of the year, so that they even held the so called augurium salutis after a very long interval. This is a kind of augury, which is in the nature of an inquiry whether the God permits them to ask for prosperity for the people, as if it were unholy even to ask for it until permission is granted. It was observed on that day of each year on which no army was going out to war, or was preparing itself against any foes, or was fighting a battle. For this reason, amid the constant perils, especially those of civil strife, it was not observed. For it was very difficult for them in any case to determine accurately upon a day free from all such disturbances, and furthermore it would be most absurd, when they were voluntarily causing one another unspeakable woes through party strife and were destined to suffer ills whether they were defeated or victorious, that they should still ask Heaven for safety. Nevertheless, it was in some way possible at that time for the divination to be held; but it did not prove to be regular, since some birds flew up from an unlucky quarter, and so it was repeated. Other unlucky omens, too, occurred. Many thunderbolts fell from a clear sky, the earth was mightily shaken, and human apparitions were visible in many places, and in the west flashes of fire darted up into heaven, so that anyone, even a layman, was bound to know in advance what was signified by them. ~ Cassius Dio 37.24.1-2


AUC 80 / 673 BCE: Servius Tullius and the Wars with Alba Longa and Lavinium

"Both sides made extraordinary preparations for a war, which closely resembled a civil war between parents and children, for both were of Trojan descent, since Lavinium was an offshoot of Troy, and Alba of Lavinium, and the Romans were sprung from the stock of the kings of Alba. The outcome of the war, however, made the conflict less deplorable, as there was no regular engagement, and though one of the two cities was destroyed, the two nations were blended into one. The Albans were the first to move, and invaded the Roman territory with an immense army. They fixed their camp only five miles from the City and surrounded it with a moat; this was called for several centuries the 'Cluilian Dyke' from the name of the Alban general, till through lapse of time the name and the thing itself disappeared. While they were encamped Cluilius, the Alban king, died, and the Albans made Mettius Fufetius dictator. The king's death made Tullus more sanguine than ever of success. He gave out that the wrath of heaven which had fallen first of all on the head of the nation would visit the whole race of Alba with condign punishment for this unholy war. Passing the enemy's camp by a night march, he advanced upon Alban territory. This drew Mettius from his entrenchments. He marched as close to his enemy as he could, and then sent on an officer to inform Tullus that before engaging it was necessary that they should have a conference. If he granted one, then he was satisfied that the matters he would lay before him were such as concerned Rome no less than Alba. Tullus did not reject the proposal, but in case the conference should prove illusory, he led out his men in order of battle. The Albans did the same. After they had halted, confronting each other, the two commanders, with a small escort of superior officers, advanced between the lines. The Alban general, addressing Tullus, said: "I think I have heard our king Cluilius say that acts of robbery and the non-restitution of plundered property, in violation of the existing treaty, were the cause of this war, and I have no doubt that you, Tullus, allege the same pretext. But if we are to say what is true, rather than what is plausible, we must admit that it is the lust of empire which has made two kindred and neighbouring peoples take up arms. Whether rightly or wrongly I do not judge; let him who began the war settle that point; I am simply placed in command by the Albans to conduct the war. But I want to give you a warning, Tullus. You know, you especially who are nearer to them, the greatness of the Etruscan State, which hems us both in; their immense strength by land, still more by sea. Now remember, when once you have given the signal to engage, our two armies will fight under their eyes, so that when we are wearied and exhausted they may attack us both, victor and vanquished alike. If then, not content with the secure freedom we now enjoy, we are determined to enter into a game of chance, where the stakes are either supremacy or slavery, let us, in heaven's name, choose some method by which, without great suffering or bloodshed on either side, it can be decided which nation is to be master of the other." Although, from natural temperament, and the certainty he felt of victory, Tullus was eager to fight, he did not disapprove of the proposal. After much consideration on both sides a method was adopted, for which Fortune herself provided the necessary means. ~ Titus Livius 1.23

"These were the reasons urged by the two generals to support the pretensions of their respective cities to the supremacy; and the outcome of the discussion was the adoption of the plan Tullius proposed. For both the Albans and Romans who were present at the conference, in their desire to put a speedy end to the war, resolved to decide the controversy by arms. This also being agreed to, the question arose concerning the number of the combatants, since the two generals were not of the same mind. For Tullius desired that the fate of the war might be decided by the smallest possible number of combatants, the most distinguished man among the Albans fighting the bravest of the Romans in single combat, and he cheerfully offered himself to fight for his own country, inviting the Alban leader to emulate him. He pointed out that for those who have assumed the command of armies combats for sovereignty and power are glorious, not only when they conquer brave men, but also when they are conquered by the brave; and he enumerated all the generals and kings who had risked their lives for their country, regarding it as a reproach to them to have a greater share of the honors than others but a smaller share of the dangers. The Alban, however, while approving of the proposal to commit the fate of the cities to a few champions, would not agree to decide it by single combat. He owned that when commanders of the armies were seeking to establish their own power a combat between them for the supremacy was noble and necessary, but when states themselves were contending for the first place he thought the risk of single combat not only hazardous but even dishonorable, whether they met with good or ill fortune. And he proposed that three chosen men from each city should fight in the presence of all the Albans and Romans, declaring that this was the most suitable number for deciding any matter in controversy, as containing in itself a beginning, a middle and an end. This proposal meeting with the approval of both Romans and Albans, the conference broke up and each side returned to its own camp.

"After this the generals assembled their respective armies and gave them an account both of what they had said to each other and of the terms upon which they had agreed to put an end to the war. And both armies having with great approbation ratified the agreement entered into by their generals, there arose a wonderful emulation among the officers and soldiers alike, since a great many were eager to carry off the prize of valour in the combat and expressed their emulation not only by their words but also by their actions, so that their leaders found great difficulty in selecting the most suitable champions. For if anyone was renowned for his illustrious ancestry or remarkable for his strength of body, famous for some brave deed in action, or distinguished by some other good fortune or bold achievement, he insisted upon being chosen first among the three champions. This emulation, which was running to great lengths in both armies, was checked by the Alban general, who called to mind that some divine providence, long since foreseeing this conflict between the two cities, had arranged that their future champions should be sprung of no obscure families and should be brave in arms, most comely in appearance, and distinguished from the generality of mankind by their birth, which should be unusual and wonderful because of its extraordinary nature. It seems that Sicinius, an Alban, had at one and the same time married his twin daughters to Horatius, a Roman, and to Curiatius, an Alban; and the two wives came with child at the same time and each was wrought to bed, at her first lying-in, of three male children. The parents, looking upon the event as a happy omen both to their cities and families, brought up all these children till they arrived at manhood. And Heaven, as I said in the beginning, gave them beauty and strength and nobility of mind, so that they were not inferior to any of those most highly endowed by Nature. It was to these men that Fufetius resolved to commit the combat for supremacy." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.12-13


Today's thought is from Epicurus, the Vatican Sayings 14:

"We have been born once and cannot be born a second time; for all eternity we shall no longer exist. But you, although you are not in control of tomorrow, are postponing your happiness. Life is wasted by delaying, and each one of us dies without enjoying leisure."

P. Corva Gaudialis Flavie Vedie Germanice sal.

If Marinus had to correct a lictor every time they posted a witness statement for this dictatorship vote, he'd have to do it repeatedly, which would get tedious for him to do and for us to read.

It would be easier to manage as a sticky post in a forum, but that's not possible here. My feeling is, the remaining lictores will figure it out, as I did.

It is unusual, though, since the vote was taken on July 19, and the statements are still coming in. Usually, it happens all within a day or two. It might be that people were on vacation and are only just now getting back to their computers. Or maybe my thinking is a decade behind the times. :)

Vale

Paulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Vedius <vedius@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I have noticed with increasing interest the slow trickle of witnessing
> statements by our various lictores concerning the appointment of Gnaeus
> Equitius Marinus to the post of Dictator, despite the fact that he
> himself has stated that the vote in the Senate was improperly called.
>
> Have the lictores perhaps just missed that statement by the Dictator
> Presumptive?
>
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, may I ask why you have not been more visible in
> your corrections to these erroneous witnessing statements? A more
> cynical man than I might think that you had calculated that you had
> already made your pro forma denial, and were simply waiting for the
> Dictatorship to drop into your hands like an overripe peach. Having
> denied the grass crown once, you were free to pick it up when offered
> again. I believe you are not such a person.
>
> I would urge you to definitively tell these lictores, every time one of
> them follows the apparent instructions of the Pontifex Maximus in
> contravention of both the laws of Nova Roma and the rules of the Senate,
> that they are in error in witnessing an act that has not, in fact, taken
> place.
>
> I wouldn't think it would be necessary to do so repeatedly, but
> apparently the lictores didn't get the message. For the sake of the
> appearance of propriety, and to reassure us all that your protestations
> were not merely some sort of sham to ease your way into the dictator's
> box on the organizational chart, please correct these lictores and once
> more denounce the Senate's unconstitutional vote. If necessary, each and
> every time a lictor acts improperly on this matter.
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> Pater Patriae
>

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

"... now I am become Shiva, the Destroyer of worlds." - Dr. Robert Oppenheimer, quoting the Bhagavad-Gita on 16 July AD 1945 upon witnessing the successful testing of the first atomic weapon

Although it is not a Roman topic, per se, I would like to take just a moment to remember those who died on this day.

The United States detonated the atomic bomb over Hiroshima, Japan, at 8.15am on August 6th 1945.

Valete,

Cato

Salve Cato,

And lets us also remember the millions of people who's lives were saved by the dropping of this bomb. Almost 100 percent of the Japanese defenders of Iwo Jima and Okinawa died defending these small portions of the home islands. How many do you think would have perished in an allied invasion of Japan?

In the book Downfall, Richard Frank, the estimates for Allied casualties was in the millions and for Japanese casualties in the tens of millions. Downfall, p. 340. In addition to Japanese and American lives saved nearly 100,000 people were dying in Japanese occupied territory each month that the war went on.

On a personal note my Uncle Harold was on Iwo Jima and my father was on Okinawa . All but one of their six children were born after 1945. As members of the USMC both would have been a part of any invasion of the Japanese homeland and not likely to have survived.

Vale

Paulinus




To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: catoinnyc@...
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:10:15 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] August 6th






Cato omnibus in foro SPD

"... now I am become Shiva, the Destroyer of worlds." - Dr. Robert Oppenheimer, quoting the Bhagavad-Gita on 16 July AD 1945 upon witnessing the successful testing of the first atomic weapon

Although it is not a Roman topic, per se, I would like to take just a moment to remember those who died on this day.

The United States detonated the atomic bomb over Hiroshima, Japan, at 8.15am on August 6th 1945.

Valete,

Cato





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C. Maria Caeca M. Hortensiae Maori Salutem plurimam dicit,

I must ask you, Hortensia Maior, to never again patronize or condescend to me. I was concerned. I expressed my concern. At no time have I wished the newly weds anything but lifelong joy, and I made that clear, in public and private, as well.

It is your right to find my concerns trivial. It is even your right to say so ...and it is my right to find your tone offensive. I do find it so.

Vale
C. Maria Caeca

----- Original Message -----
From: rory12001
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:18 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: To our Sarmatians Cives, please ...



Maior Caecae Aeterniaeque spd; starting a trip on a dies ater isn't a good thing, but i assume the couples are married now and let's all wish them well.
vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Caeca Aeterniae S. P. D.
>
> thank you for that, Aeternia. I did, and do, understand that everyone
> involved is extremely busy, but ...well, I am what I am, and, logical or
> not, I worry, just a bit, especially when I realized that they began that
> trip on a dark day ...although I tried to convince myself that it wasn't
> *really* a beginning of a project, and that the trip was just part of the
> ongoing plan. Still and all, I'm glad to know this.
>
> Vale Quam Optime,
> Maria Caeca
>





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Livia Catoni sal.

Well, I thought that since Gualterus' grad school teaches impossible things
like correcting your own mistakes (when learning a language) they might have
been the ones who taught the Baron of Munchausen.
Of course I wouldn't mind going to Hogwarts. However, I'm afraid that school
has rather strict entrly requirements.

Vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cato" <catoinnyc@..>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:54 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment


Cato Liviae Plautae sal.

You'd probably have to go to Hogwarts for that. :)

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve Poplicola,
> do they also teach you how to pull yourself out of the water by your hair?
> Because *that* would definitely make grad school attractive to me.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "qvalerius" <q.valerius.poplicola@>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:21 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
>
>
> Salve,
>
> In grad school, the professors force you to learn how to correct your own
> mistakes. Your "training" must have been elementary at best.
>
> Vale.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Maior Scholasticae Liviaeque spd;
> > my gratitude to you both. I've studied French, Italian, Russian and
> > German in high school and university and always had my mistakes
> > corrected.
> > It's the only way to learn. I appreciate the help and support.
> > If only the rest of this list were like you two!
> > optime vale
> > Maior
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
> > >
> > > > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I assure you that
> > > > the
> > > > correct attitude is to provide corrections to mistakes. The habit of
> > > > letting students guess where their mistakes are drives them up the
> > > > wall. (I will let you look up the meaning of this expression, since
> > > > this is the method you are so fond of).
> > >
> > > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach anything... but
> > > after 7 years of studying English language I was not able to follow a
> > > discussion. And that is the sort of all the French pupils studying
> > > English... so, I learnt Latin alone, with my own method, and now I
> > > write
> > > poetries and novels in latin, the last "de Saturnalibus cruentis" will
> > > be available on the Circulus website on the beginning of september...
> > >
> > > > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that it's not my
> > > > place
> > > > to decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
> > >
> > > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not happened.
> > >
> > > > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before posting, though.
> > >
> > > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
> > >
> > > Optime vale.
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > >
> >
>

What are you talking about? What do I or my school have to do with the childish argument going on on this thread?

-GG

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Livia Catoni sal.
>
> Well, I thought that since Gualterus' grad school teaches impossible things
> like correcting your own mistakes (when learning a language) they might have
> been the ones who taught the Baron of Munchausen.
> Of course I wouldn't mind going to Hogwarts. However, I'm afraid that school
> has rather strict entrly requirements.
>
> Vale,
> Livia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cato" <catoinnyc@>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:54 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
>
>
> Cato Liviae Plautae sal.
>
> You'd probably have to go to Hogwarts for that. :)
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Poplicola,
> > do they also teach you how to pull yourself out of the water by your hair?
> > Because *that* would definitely make grad school attractive to me.
> >
> > Optime vale,
> > Livia
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "qvalerius" <q.valerius.poplicola@>
> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:21 AM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
> >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > In grad school, the professors force you to learn how to correct your own
> > mistakes. Your "training" must have been elementary at best.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maior Scholasticae Liviaeque spd;
> > > my gratitude to you both. I've studied French, Italian, Russian and
> > > German in high school and university and always had my mistakes
> > > corrected.
> > > It's the only way to learn. I appreciate the help and support.
> > > If only the rest of this list were like you two!
> > > optime vale
> > > Maior
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
> > > >
> > > > > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I assure you that
> > > > > the
> > > > > correct attitude is to provide corrections to mistakes. The habit of
> > > > > letting students guess where their mistakes are drives them up the
> > > > > wall. (I will let you look up the meaning of this expression, since
> > > > > this is the method you are so fond of).
> > > >
> > > > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach anything... but
> > > > after 7 years of studying English language I was not able to follow a
> > > > discussion. And that is the sort of all the French pupils studying
> > > > English... so, I learnt Latin alone, with my own method, and now I
> > > > write
> > > > poetries and novels in latin, the last "de Saturnalibus cruentis" will
> > > > be available on the Circulus website on the beginning of september...
> > > >
> > > > > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that it's not my
> > > > > place
> > > > > to decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
> > > >
> > > > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not happened.
> > > >
> > > > > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before posting, though.
> > > >
> > > > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
> > > >
> > > > Optime vale.
> > > >
> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

C. Maria Caeca Cn. Equitio Catoni Sal,

(I hope I remembered your name correctly! I am so used to think of you as just ...Cato ...I have to think when wishing to formally addressing you!). Thank you for this reminder. This is a date I don't usually forget, but this year, I did.

CMC, who very strongly believes that those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it.

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Cn. Lentulus pontifex, M. Lucretius augur, M. Octavius sacerdos Iovis et omnes Sarmatici, Pannonii Poltava Q V I R I T I B V S s. d. p.

A very quick but verz warm greetings from Poltava (Sarmatia), from our part! We are well and we are very, very, very glad here, all events went wonderfully, including the weddings, the investiture of augur M. Lucretius Agricola, a Sarmatian votum, and the foundation of a Nova Roma REAL temple. Corvus is a wonderful houselord, we enjoy his hospitatality beyond words.
I tell you we experience the real one and truly existing side of Nova Roma, friends, Roman brothers and sisters together from Japan to Budapest, in Ukrain, to celebrate our Republic, which I tell you, is more living than anyone could imagine.
We will leave Poltava soon within a few hours, Agricola remains some more days, though.
Hail Nova Roma, long live the Republic, vivat Nova Roma!
With hugs and gladdest emotion, Corvus and his family, Agricola, the Sarmatians (many), the Pannonians, Q. Arrius, and M. Antonius, and I Lentulus, we all salute you!!
Ex Sarmatia, Poltava









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>
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae C. Equitio Catoni quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Livia Catoni sal.
>
> Well, I thought that since Gualterus' grad school teaches impossible things
> like correcting your own mistakes (when learning a language) they might have
> been the ones who taught the Baron of Munchausen.
>
> ATS: Here I think you may be slightly confused, Plauta; it was Poplicola
> who said his graduate school taught such things. Rest assured that that sort
> of thing is highly unlikely at the University of Chicago, where Gualterus is
> apparently pursuing his doctorate. The U of Chi is one of the finest
> universities in this country, home of the renowned Oriental Institute (inter
> alia), and is not a place where one would expect that sort of thing. Last I
> heard, there were no fancy sports teams there, with athletes who had to be
> passed because they were skilled at some silly game or other, and no teaching
> assistants, though it seems that some have now been added. The University of
> Chicago has very high standards, and does not teach underwater basket weaving
> or leave error correction in the hands of any but the most competent TA¹s (if
> indeed they have them). Normally only the professors teach there. Other
> colleges and universities may well do otherwise, but not UC. Crescat
> scientia; vita excolatur.
>
>
> Of course I wouldn't mind going to Hogwarts. However, I'm afraid that school
> has rather strict entrly requirements.
>
> ATS: So does the U of Chicago. Maybe you should check them out. Now
> Poplicola goes elsewhere, near San Francisco, if I am not mistaken, and
> probably is at a state college or university. There is a world of difference
> between the quality schools like Chicago and Yale and Princeton and Hahvahd
> and some others (not that all state schools are bad; many are quite good, even
> excellent), but one should not assume that a university, whether or not it
> bears a toponym, is automatically inferior.
>
> Vale,
> Livia
>
> Valete.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cato" <catoinnyc@..>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:54 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
>
> Cato Liviae Plautae sal.
>
> You'd probably have to go to Hogwarts for that. :)
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "L.
> Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...>
> wrote:
>> >
>> > Salve Poplicola,
>> > do they also teach you how to pull yourself out of the water by your hair?
>> > Because *that* would definitely make grad school attractive to me.
>> >
>> > Optime vale,
>> > Livia
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "qvalerius" <q.valerius.poplicola@>
>> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:21 AM
>> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
>> >
>> >
>> > Salve,
>> >
>> > In grad school, the professors force you to learn how to correct your own
>> > mistakes. Your "training" must have been elementary at best.
>> >
>> > Vale.
>> >
>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
>> "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Maior Scholasticae Liviaeque spd;
>>> > > my gratitude to you both. I've studied French, Italian, Russian and
>>> > > German in high school and university and always had my mistakes
>>> > > corrected.
>>> > > It's the only way to learn. I appreciate the help and support.
>>> > > If only the rest of this list were like you two!
>>> > > optime vale
>>> > > Maior
>>> > >
>>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
>>> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@>
>>> > > wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I assure you that
>>>>> > > > > the
>>>>> > > > > correct attitude is to provide corrections to mistakes. The habit

of

>>>>> > > > > letting students guess where their mistakes are drives them up the
>>>>> > > > > wall. (I will let you look up the meaning of this expression,

since

>>>>> > > > > this is the method you are so fond of).
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach anything... but
>>>> > > > after 7 years of studying English language I was not able to follow a
>>>> > > > discussion. And that is the sort of all the French pupils studying
>>>> > > > English... so, I learnt Latin alone, with my own method, and now I
>>>> > > > write
>>>> > > > poetries and novels in latin, the last "de Saturnalibus cruentis"

will

>>>> > > > be available on the Circulus website on the beginning of september...
>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that it's not my
>>>>> > > > > place
>>>>> > > > > to decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not happened.
>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before posting,

though.

>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Optime vale.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
>>>> > > > Arcoiali scribebat
>>>> > > > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>>>> > > >
>>> > >
>> >
>
>
>

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>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Cornelio Lentulo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Cn. Lentulus pontifex, M. Lucretius augur, M. Octavius sacerdos Iovis et omnes
> Sarmatici, Pannonii Poltava Q V I R I T I B V S s. d. p.
>
> A very quick but verz warm greetings from Poltava (Sarmatia), from our part!
> We are well and we are very, very, very glad here, all events went
> wonderfully, including the weddings, the investiture of augur M. Lucretius
> Agricola, a Sarmatian votum, and the foundation of a Nova Roma REAL temple.
> Corvus is a wonderful houselord, we enjoy his hospitatality beyond words.
>
> ATS: I am delighted that you arrived safely and are enjoying your stay.
> My congratulations to the happy couples and all concerned!
>
>
> I tell you we experience the real one and truly existing side of Nova Roma,
> friends, Roman brothers and sisters together from Japan to Budapest, in
> Ukrain, to celebrate our Republic, which I tell you, is more living than
> anyone could imagine.
> We will leave Poltava soon within a few hours, Agricola remains some more
> days, though.
> Hail Nova Roma, long live the Republic, vivat Nova Roma!
>
> ATS: Recté vivat Nova Roma! Utinam omnes tam bene impedimenta deleant!
>
>
> With hugs and gladdest emotion, Corvus and his family, Agricola, the
> Sarmatians (many), the Pannonians, Q. Arrius, and M. Antonius, and I Lentulus,
> we all salute you!!
> Ex Sarmatia, Poltava
>
> Vale, et valete!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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There are TAs here; I was a TA in Greek last year, but there is a strict oversight by some senior faculty member. Sometimes I graded quizzes or homeworks, which were reviewed by my senior before they were handed back to the students.

Next academic year I will be an instructor in Greek, but what usually happens is that there are two sections for a course where one is taught by the advanced grad student and another by a faculty member, and the faculty member sets the agenda, the texts and writes the midterm and final exams which are graded together by the instructor and professor... at least in the Classics dept. I can't speak for other depts.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae C. Equitio Catoni quiritibus, sociis,
> > peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> >
> >
> > Livia Catoni sal.
> >
> > Well, I thought that since Gualterus' grad school teaches impossible things
> > like correcting your own mistakes (when learning a language) they might have
> > been the ones who taught the Baron of Munchausen.
> >
> > ATS: Here I think you may be slightly confused, Plauta; it was Poplicola
> > who said his graduate school taught such things. Rest assured that that sort
> > of thing is highly unlikely at the University of Chicago, where Gualterus is
> > apparently pursuing his doctorate. The U of Chi is one of the finest
> > universities in this country, home of the renowned Oriental Institute (inter
> > alia), and is not a place where one would expect that sort of thing. Last I
> > heard, there were no fancy sports teams there, with athletes who had to be
> > passed because they were skilled at some silly game or other, and no teaching
> > assistants, though it seems that some have now been added. The University of
> > Chicago has very high standards, and does not teach underwater basket weaving
> > or leave error correction in the hands of any but the most competent TA¹s (if
> > indeed they have them). Normally only the professors teach there. Other
> > colleges and universities may well do otherwise, but not UC. Crescat
> > scientia; vita excolatur.
> >
> >
> > Of course I wouldn't mind going to Hogwarts. However, I'm afraid that school
> > has rather strict entrly requirements.
> >
> > ATS: So does the U of Chicago. Maybe you should check them out. Now
> > Poplicola goes elsewhere, near San Francisco, if I am not mistaken, and
> > probably is at a state college or university. There is a world of difference
> > between the quality schools like Chicago and Yale and Princeton and Hahvahd
> > and some others (not that all state schools are bad; many are quite good, even
> > excellent), but one should not assume that a university, whether or not it
> > bears a toponym, is automatically inferior.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Livia
> >
> > Valete.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cato" <catoinnyc@>
> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:54 PM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
> >
> > Cato Liviae Plautae sal.
> >
> > You'd probably have to go to Hogwarts for that. :)
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "L.
> > Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@>
> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Salve Poplicola,
> >> > do they also teach you how to pull yourself out of the water by your hair?
> >> > Because *that* would definitely make grad school attractive to me.
> >> >
> >> > Optime vale,
> >> > Livia
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "qvalerius" <q.valerius.poplicola@>
> >> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> >> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:21 AM
> >> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Salve,
> >> >
> >> > In grad school, the professors force you to learn how to correct your own
> >> > mistakes. Your "training" must have been elementary at best.
> >> >
> >> > Vale.
> >> >
> >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> >> "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Maior Scholasticae Liviaeque spd;
> >>> > > my gratitude to you both. I've studied French, Italian, Russian and
> >>> > > German in high school and university and always had my mistakes
> >>> > > corrected.
> >>> > > It's the only way to learn. I appreciate the help and support.
> >>> > > If only the rest of this list were like you two!
> >>> > > optime vale
> >>> > > Maior
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> >>> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@>
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
> >>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I assure you that
> >>>>> > > > > the
> >>>>> > > > > correct attitude is to provide corrections to mistakes. The habit
> of
> >>>>> > > > > letting students guess where their mistakes are drives them up the
> >>>>> > > > > wall. (I will let you look up the meaning of this expression,
> since
> >>>>> > > > > this is the method you are so fond of).
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach anything... but
> >>>> > > > after 7 years of studying English language I was not able to follow a
> >>>> > > > discussion. And that is the sort of all the French pupils studying
> >>>> > > > English... so, I learnt Latin alone, with my own method, and now I
> >>>> > > > write
> >>>> > > > poetries and novels in latin, the last "de Saturnalibus cruentis"
> will
> >>>> > > > be available on the Circulus website on the beginning of september...
> >>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that it's not my
> >>>>> > > > > place
> >>>>> > > > > to decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not happened.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before posting,
> though.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Optime vale.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> >>>> > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> >>>> > > > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >>>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos servavissent semper.

Hodie est ante diem VII Eidus Sextiliae; haec dies comitialis est:

"The immortal Gods have mighty power, but They are not expected to be more indulgent than our parents. But parents, if their children persist in wrong-doing, disinherit them. What different application of justice then are we to look for from the immortal Gods, unless we put an end to our evil ways? Those alone may fairly claim the favor of the Gods who are not their own worst enemies. The immortal Gods ought to support, not supply, virtue." ~ Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae 1.6.8


PUBLIC AUSPICIA EX CAELI

"Public divination was obtained from the sky and from certain other sources, as I have said, but that of the sky had the greatest authority — so much so, in fact, that while the other auguries were many in number and were taken for each action, this one was taken but once and for the whole day. This was the most peculiar feature about it; but there was the further difference that whereas in reference to all other matters sky-divination either allowed things to be done, in which case they were carried out without consulting any individual augury further, or else would prevent and hinder something, yet it stopped the voting of the people altogether, serving always as a portent to check them, whether it was of a favorable or unfavorable nature." ~ Cassius Dio 38.13.3-4


AUC 431 / 322 BCE: Battle of Crannon

Following the death of Alexander the Great, Athens, led by Leosthenes and Hyperides, revolted against Macedonian hegemony of Greece. They were soon joined by Demosthenes who returned to Athens from exile. Aetholians and Thessalians joined the revolt under Athenian leadership. The core of the Greek army was a force of veteran mercenaries who had served in Alexander's campaigns in Asia. Upon his death they then found themselves unemployed, which was one cause of the revolt. The initial campaign brought Leosthenes and the Greek army to the mountain pass at Thermopylae. The Macedonians, under an aged Antipater and reinforced by Leonatus from Asia, were outmaneuvered and forced back into the fortress of Lamia where they were besieged. In the following year a second Macedonian army arrived under Craterus from Asia. Smaller than the army under Antipater, Craterus had the cream of the Macedonian veterans, supported by Persian archers and Asian cavalry. He was able to lift the siege, and thereby joined forces with Antipater. On the plains of Thessaly came the final battle, in Crannon. Antipater had an army of around 45,000 infantry and 5,000 cavalry by August 322. The Greeks, under the command of Hyperides after the death of Leosthenes, had around 25,000 infantry and 3,500 cavalry. The Macedonians, with the better army, the larger army, and better leadership, simply overwhelmed the Athenians and ended the revolt.


AUC 870 / 117 CE: Death of Traianus

"There was, to be sure, a widely prevailing belief that Trajan, with the approval of many of his friends, had planned to appoint as his successor not Hadrian but [the jurist] Neratius Priscus, even to the extent of saying to Priscus: 'I entrust the provinces to your care in case anything happens to me'. And, indeed, many aver that Trajan had purposed to follow the example of Alexander of Macedonia and die without naming a successor. Again, many others declare that he had meant to send an address to the senate, requesting this body, in case aught befell him, to appoint a ruler for the Roman empire, and merely appending the names of some from among whom the senate might choose the best. And the statement has even been made that it was not until after Trajan's death that Hadrian was declared adopted, and then only by means of a trick of Plotina's; for she smuggled in someone who impersonated the Emperor and spoke in a feeble voice." ~ Historia Augusta, Hadrianus 4.8-10


Today's thought is from L. Annaeus Seneca, Epistle 27: On the Good that Abides:

"Just as crimes, even if they have not been detected when they were committed, do not allow anxiety to end with them; so with guilty pleasures, regret remains even after the pleasures are over. They are not substantial, they are not trustworthy; even if they do not harm us, they are fleeting. Cast about rather for some good that will abide. But there can be no such good except as the soul discovers it for itself within itself. Virtue alone affords everlasting and peace-giving joy."



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That's wonderful! I'm so glad it all went well. Congratulations to all
involved.

Cheers
Flavia lucilla Merula

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <
cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

> Cn. Lentulus pontifex, M. Lucretius augur, M. Octavius sacerdos Iovis et
> omnes Sarmatici, Pannonii Poltava Q V I R I T I B V S s. d. p.
>
> A very quick but verz warm greetings from Poltava (Sarmatia), from our
> part! We are well and we are very, very, very glad here, all events went
> wonderfully, including the weddings, the investiture of augur M. Lucretius
> Agricola, a Sarmatian votum, and the foundation of a Nova Roma REAL temple.
> Corvus is a wonderful houselord, we enjoy his hospitatality beyond words.
> I tell you we experience the real one and truly existing side of Nova Roma,
> friends, Roman brothers and sisters together from Japan to Budapest, in
> Ukrain, to celebrate our Republic, which I tell you, is more living than
> anyone could imagine.
> We will leave Poltava soon within a few hours, Agricola remains some more
> days, though.
> Hail Nova Roma, long live the Republic, vivat Nova Roma!
> With hugs and gladdest emotion, Corvus and his family, Agricola, the
> Sarmatians (many), the Pannonians, Q. Arrius, and M. Antonius, and I
> Lentulus, we all salute you!!
> Ex Sarmatia, Poltava
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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P. Corva Gaudialis Cn. Cornelio Lentulo sal.

I am so glad to hear everything went well in Sarmatia. Congratulations to the newlyweds, and much happiness to you all!

Vale,

Paulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Lentulus pontifex, M. Lucretius augur, M. Octavius sacerdos Iovis et omnes Sarmatici, Pannonii Poltava Q V I R I T I B V S s. d. p.
>
> A very quick but verz warm greetings from Poltava (Sarmatia), from our part! We are well and we are very, very, very glad here, all events went wonderfully, including the weddings, the investiture of augur M. Lucretius Agricola, a Sarmatian votum, and the foundation of a Nova Roma REAL temple. Corvus is a wonderful houselord, we enjoy his hospitatality beyond words.
> I tell you we experience the real one and truly existing side of Nova Roma, friends, Roman brothers and sisters together from Japan to Budapest, in Ukrain, to celebrate our Republic, which I tell you, is more living than anyone could imagine.
> We will leave Poltava soon within a few hours, Agricola remains some more days, though.
> Hail Nova Roma, long live the Republic, vivat Nova Roma!
> With hugs and gladdest emotion, Corvus and his family, Agricola, the Sarmatians (many), the Pannonians, Q. Arrius, and M. Antonius, and I Lentulus, we all salute you!!
> Ex Sarmatia, Poltava
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

C. Maria Caeca Cn. Cornelio Lentulo Omnibusqe in Sarmaciaqe S. P. D.

What delightful news! I am very happy that all went well, and, again, I extend my best wishes to all celebrants in Sarmatia, but especially to the newlyweds! May your lives be filled with happiness, and may Vesta bless your hearths and homes with the light and warmth of live!

Valete quam optime,
C. Maria Caeca

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M. Hortensia M. Lucretio M. Octavio spd;

what marvellous news. I can't wait to see all the photos and see the ceremonies; the wedddings, the inauguration of an augur, the votum!

These are 3 major steps for our community, which as you say is all about real life. May our internet community wither away! May the examples of the Sarmati, the sacerdos Concordae et Iovis inspire us all!
di nobis faveant
M. Hortensia Maior

>
> A very quick but verz warm greetings from Poltava (Sarmatia), from our part! We are well and we are very, very, very glad here, all events went wonderfully, including the weddings, the investiture of augur M. Lucretius Agricola, a Sarmatian votum, and the foundation of a Nova Roma REAL temple. Corvus is a wonderful houselord, we enjoy his hospitatality beyond words.
> I tell you we experience the real one and truly existing side of Nova Roma, friends, Roman brothers and sisters together from Japan to Budapest, in Ukrain, to celebrate our Republic, which I tell you, is more living than anyone could imagine.
> We will leave Poltava soon within a few hours, Agricola remains some more days, though.
> Hail Nova Roma, long live the Republic, vivat Nova Roma!
> With hugs and gladdest emotion, Corvus and his family, Agricola, the Sarmatians (many), the Pannonians, Q. Arrius, and M. Antonius, and I Lentulus, we all salute you!!
> Ex Sarmatia, Poltava
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Sta, Cornelia Aeternia Cn. Lentulo M. Lucretio M.Octavio et omnibus s.p.d.


Awesome! Congrats to all the married couples. And all the celebrations,
safe return trip back home Lentulus and Agricola!


Vale,
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia


On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <
cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

>
>
> Cn. Lentulus pontifex, M. Lucretius augur, M. Octavius sacerdos Iovis et
> omnes Sarmatici, Pannonii Poltava Q V I R I T I B V S s. d. p.
>
> A very quick but verz warm greetings from Poltava (Sarmatia), from our
> part! We are well and we are very, very, very glad here, all events went
> wonderfully, including the weddings, the investiture of augur M. Lucretius
> Agricola, a Sarmatian votum, and the foundation of a Nova Roma REAL temple.
> Corvus is a wonderful houselord, we enjoy his hospitatality beyond words.
> I tell you we experience the real one and truly existing side of Nova Roma,
> friends, Roman brothers and sisters together from Japan to Budapest, in
> Ukrain, to celebrate our Republic, which I tell you, is more living than
> anyone could imagine.
> We will leave Poltava soon within a few hours, Agricola remains some more
> days, though.
> Hail Nova Roma, long live the Republic, vivat Nova Roma!
> With hugs and gladdest emotion, Corvus and his family, Agricola, the
> Sarmatians (many), the Pannonians, Q. Arrius, and M. Antonius, and I
> Lentulus, we all salute you!!
> Ex Sarmatia, Poltava
>
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>
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>

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C. Maria Caeca M. Hortensiae Maiori omnibusque S. P. D.

sigh. The internet community exists, alongside the physical communities, for very good reasons. It can, should, and sometimes does, act to bring scattered groups together to foster creative ideas when planning physical events. It allows us to be a truly international community, not a scattering of isolated small groups of people who would, inevitably, because of the tendency of isolated communities to become insular, become something other than Nova Romans. It brings together people from all over the world who have expertise lacking in one or another of those physical communities.

Rather than wishing that half of our presence would wither, it would be better, I think, to foster the physical communities, so that *both* aspects of this Nation function, as they should, in tandem and with equal importance.

Respectfully,
C. Maria Caeca, whose life would be less rich, had internet community not brought me friends from far places where I am never likely to go.

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Well said, Gaia Maria Caeca!

I have recently been involved in several discussions about various online
communities and their benefits and drawbacks, and so this topic has been
much on my mind. I live in an area with very little interest in Latin or
Roman matters, and I am financially unable to travel much (or at all,
really), so online community is essential to people in isolated places and
of limited means (such as myself).

I am glad that our online presence has allowed me to "meet" wonderful people
(such as yourself, Caeca!), and has led to some real-world meetings (albeit
with people who don't live close enough to form an offline community, but
nice visits). I was very happy to recently meet Policola and Aurelia in
person, who are both Roman although no longer citizens of Nova Roma. Years
back I remember meeting Mincius Hadrianus in Plymouth. These things would
not have happened had we Romans not had an online community. The Back Alley
has done as much to promote real meetings and community as Nova Roma itself
(maybe it's sad that a private, unaffiliated group brings as many Romans
together as the mighty Nova Roma, but personally, I'm just glad its
happening).

And yet I hold out hope for the future, that our offline communities will
grow, and as you said, become equal partners of our online communities.

~ Valerianus

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:59 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

>
>
> C. Maria Caeca M. Hortensiae Maiori omnibusque S. P. D.
>
> sigh. The internet community exists, alongside the physical communities,
> for very good reasons. It can, should, and sometimes does, act to bring
> scattered groups together to foster creative ideas when planning physical
> events. It allows us to be a truly international community, not a scattering
> of isolated small groups of people who would, inevitably, because of the
> tendency of isolated communities to become insular, become something other
> than Nova Romans. It brings together people from all over the world who have
> expertise lacking in one or another of those physical communities.
>
> Rather than wishing that half of our presence would wither, it would be
> better, I think, to foster the physical communities, so that *both* aspects
> of this Nation function, as they should, in tandem and with equal
> importance.
>
> Respectfully,
> C. Maria Caeca, whose life would be less rich, had internet community not
> brought me friends from far places where I am never likely to go.
>
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>
>
>


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On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 7:59 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

> C. Maria Caeca M. Hortensiae Maiori omnibusque S. P. D.
>
> sigh. .......Rather than wishing that half of our presence would wither,
> it would be better, I think, to foster the physical communities, so that
> *both* aspects of this Nation function, as they should, in tandem and with
> equal importance.
>
> Thank you. I am really glad that you and Valerianus brought this up.

Believe me, I am really pleased that physical communities are growing, that
people are meeting up and I think Lentulus travelling all that distance is
fantastic. However *all* my social interactions take place online. When on
the very best of days you only make it out of bed for about 6 hours a day
and out the house maybe one day a week, it severely restricts all social
interaction. I can't even make my daughter's civil partnership so there's no
chance I'd manage to meet up with other citizens.


As i said, I'm really, really pleased for those that can meet up but please
spare a thought for those of us who can't. Without online communities, I'd
have no life at all. I really appreciate the fact that we do have so much
online interaction.

Cheers
Merula


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>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Cornelio Gualtero Graeco quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> There are TAs here; I was a TA in Greek last year, but there is a strict
> oversight by some senior faculty member. Sometimes I graded quizzes or
> homeworks, which were reviewed by my senior before they were handed back to
> the students.
>
> ATS: And you didn¹t compel the students to find their own errors? ;-)
> Now, this is proper supervision of TA¹s. But quizzes? At the hallowed 1050
> E. 59th? Not hourlies or midterms or finals? Mere quizzes? Don¹t these kids
> have anything more challenging than that...even at the College? ;-)
>
>
> Next academic year I will be an instructor in Greek, but what usually happens
> is that there are two sections for a course where one is taught by the
> advanced grad student and another by a faculty member, and the faculty member
> sets the agenda, the texts and writes the midterm and final exams which are
> graded together by the instructor and professor... at least in the Classics
> dept. I can't speak for other depts.
>
> ATS: The Classics Department is more sensible, but I find it difficult to
> envision anything resembling a TA at UC. Hope they are not running short of
> full professors...I surely can¹t see a TA teaching Sanskrit, or Hittite, or
> Akkadian...
>
> At my undergrad U, we had one section of beginning Greek (baby Greek, as
> one of the profs called it), conducted in a none-too-elegant classroom in the
> basement of the engineering building...at a time when that discipline was
> forbidden to women.
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A.
> Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae C. Equitio Catoni quiritibus,
>>> sociis,
>>> > > peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Livia Catoni sal.
>>> > >
>>> > > Well, I thought that since Gualterus' grad school teaches impossible
>>> things
>>> > > like correcting your own mistakes (when learning a language) they might
>>> have
>>> > > been the ones who taught the Baron of Munchausen.
>>> > >
>>> > > ATS: Here I think you may be slightly confused, Plauta; it was
>>> Poplicola
>>> > > who said his graduate school taught such things. Rest assured that that
>>> sort
>>> > > of thing is highly unlikely at the University of Chicago, where
>>> Gualterus is
>>> > > apparently pursuing his doctorate. The U of Chi is one of the finest
>>> > > universities in this country, home of the renowned Oriental Institute
>>> (inter
>>> > > alia), and is not a place where one would expect that sort of thing.
>>> Last I
>>> > > heard, there were no fancy sports teams there, with athletes who had to

be

>>> > > passed because they were skilled at some silly game or other, and no
>>> teaching
>>> > > assistants, though it seems that some have now been added. The
>>> University of
>>> > > Chicago has very high standards, and does not teach underwater basket
>>> weaving
>>> > > or leave error correction in the hands of any but the most competent
>>> TA¹s (if
>>> > > indeed they have them). Normally only the professors teach there. >>>

Other

>>> > > colleges and universities may well do otherwise, but not UC. Crescat
>>> > > scientia; vita excolatur.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Of course I wouldn't mind going to Hogwarts. However, I'm afraid that
>>> school
>>> > > has rather strict entrly requirements.
>>> > >
>>> > > ATS: So does the U of Chicago. Maybe you should check them out.

Now

>>> > > Poplicola goes elsewhere, near San Francisco, if I am not mistaken, and
>>> > > probably is at a state college or university. There is a world of
>>> difference
>>> > > between the quality schools like Chicago and Yale and Princeton and
>>> Hahvahd
>>> > > and some others (not that all state schools are bad; many are quite
>>> good, even
>>> > > excellent), but one should not assume that a university, whether or not

it

>>> > > bears a toponym, is automatically inferior.
>>> > >
>>> > > Vale,
>>> > > Livia
>>> > >
>>> > > Valete.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > > From: "Cato" <catoinnyc@>
>>> > > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
>>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:54 PM
>>> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
>>> > >
>>> > > Cato Liviae Plautae sal.
>>> > >
>>> > > You'd probably have to go to Hogwarts for that. :)
>>> > >
>>> > > Vale,
>>> > >
>>> > > Cato
>>> > >
>>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "L.
>>> > > Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@>
>>> > > wrote:
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Salve Poplicola,
>>>>> > >> > do they also teach you how to pull yourself out of the water by
>>>>> your hair?
>>>>> > >> > Because *that* would definitely make grad school attractive to me.
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Optime vale,
>>>>> > >> > Livia
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > >> > From: "qvalerius" <q.valerius.poplicola@>
>>>>> > >> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
>>>>> > >> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:21 AM
>>>>> > >> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Salve,
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > In grad school, the professors force you to learn how to correct
>>>>> your own
>>>>> > >> > mistakes. Your "training" must have been elementary at best.
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Vale.
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>

,

>>>> > >> "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Maior Scholasticae Liviaeque spd;
>>>>>>> > >>> > > my gratitude to you both. I've studied French, Italian,
>>>>>>> Russian and
>>>>>>> > >>> > > German in high school and university and always had my

mistakes

>>>>>>> > >>> > > corrected.
>>>>>>> > >>> > > It's the only way to learn. I appreciate the help and support.
>>>>>>> > >>> > > If only the rest of this list were like you two!
>>>>>>> > >>> > > optime vale
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Maior
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
>>>>> > >>> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@>
>>>>>>> > >>> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I

assure you that

>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > the
>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > correct attitude is to provide corrections to
>>>>>>>>>>> mistakes. The habit
>> > of
>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > letting students guess where their mistakes are
>>>>>>>>>>> drives them up the
>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > wall. (I will let you look up the meaning of this

expression,

>> > since
>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > this is the method you are so fond of).
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach
>>>>>>>>> anything... but
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > after 7 years of studying English language I was not able

to follow a

>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > discussion. And that is the sort of all the French pupils

studying

>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > English... so, I learnt Latin alone, with my own method,

and now I

>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > write
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > poetries and novels in latin, the last "de Saturnalibus

cruentis"

>> > will
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > be available on the Circulus website on the beginning of

september...

>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that

it's not my

>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > place
>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > to decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not

happened.

>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before

posting,

>> > though.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Optime vale.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Arcoiali scribebat
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > >

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>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae M. Hortensiae Majori quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> C. Maria Caeca M. Hortensiae Maiori omnibusque S. P. D.
>
> sigh. The internet community exists, alongside the physical communities, for
> very good reasons.
>
> ATS: Indeed it does.
>
>
>
> It can, should, and sometimes does, act to bring scattered groups together to
> foster creative ideas when planning physical events. It allows us to be a
> truly international community, not a scattering of isolated small groups of
> people who would, inevitably, because of the tendency of isolated communities
> to become insular, become something other than Nova Romans. It brings
> together people from all over the world who have expertise lacking in one or
> another of those physical communities.
>
> ATS: And, as you are well aware, it allows those who are not necessarily
> geographically isolated, but unable to travel for one reason or another, to
> convene in Romanitas via cybernetic means.
>
> Rather than wishing that half of our presence would wither, it would be
> better, I think, to foster the physical communities, so that *both* aspects of
> this Nation function, as they should, in tandem and with equal importance.
>
> ATS: I agree completely. We must not forget that there are places (even
> entire countries), where there is only one citizen, or one active citizen, or
> that some among us are elderly and / or handicapped, and rely on the computer
> and such devices for such interactions. Even apart from physical
> impossibility, not everyone can travel at will, or meet other Roman citizens,
> no matter how much he or she might desire this. There are times when the
> mountain must come to Moses, not the other way around.
>
> Respectfully,
> C. Maria Caeca, whose life would be less rich, had internet community not
> brought me friends from far places where I am never likely to go.
>
> ATS: Nor are you alone in that.
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Salvete quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque salutem plurimam dicit

Tonight's offering are two as we approach the darkness of the New Moon:

Sexti Properti Elegiarum Liber 1:11

Quid iuvat ornato procedere, vita, capillo
et tenues Coa veste movere sinus?
aut quid Orontea crines perfundere murra,
teque peregrinis vendere muneribus ;
naturaeque decus mercato perdere cultu,
nec sinere in propiis membra nitere bonis ?
crede mihi, non ulla tua est medicina figure:
nudus Amore formae non amat artificem.
aspice quos summittat humus formosa colores;
ut veniant hederae sponte sua melius,
surgat et in solis formosius arbutus antris,
et sciat indociles currere lympha vias.
litora nativis persuadent pieta lapillis,
et volucres nulla dulcius arte canunt.

The Elegies of Propertius Book I:II

What boots it, light of my life, to go forth with locks adorned, and to rustle in slender folds of Coan silk? Or avails it aught to steep they tresses in the myrrh of Orontes, to parade thyself in the gifts that aliens bring, to spoil the grace of nature by the charms that gold can buy nor allow they limbs to shine in the gory that is their own? Believe me, thou hast no art can make they form more fair; Love himself goes naked and hates those that make a craft of beauty. See what hues lovely earth sends for the; `tis the wild ivy springs fairest ever: loveliest the arbutus that grows in the caverns of the wilderness, and all untaught are the channels where the waters run. Begemmed with native pebbles the shores beguile our eyes, and birds sing sweetlier from their lack of art.

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From the Greek Alexandrian Erotic Fragment by Longus:

[…] Love, the stablisher of friendship, overcame me; I do not deny that I have him ever within my soul. Ye dear stars, and thou, lady night, partner of my love, bring me – even now to him to whom Cypris leads me as slave and the great love that has taken hold upon me; to light me on my way I have the great fire that burns in my soul[…]

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Valete,

Julia

Salvete Amici!

Congratulations on the three weddings! May your arms always hold each other tight, may the fire in your eyes always burn for each other and may your hearts always beat as one but may your minds hold the independent wisdom to guide and nurture each other to your highest potential!

With warmest regards!

Valete optime,

Julia

C. Petronius L. Iuliae s.p.d.,

> may the fire in your eyes always burn for each other

I agree with that! But, was it necessary to burn all Sarmatia?

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VI Idus Sextiles P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

As far as I know, the Oriental Institute doesn't have TAs teaching anything; the fact is, people entering programs with oriental languages typically don't have the same undergrad preparation as those entering Classics simply because there aren't enough undergrad programs that offer Akkadian, etc (although, I was lucky enough to have an Assyriologist at my undergrad school such that I was able to take a semester in Sumerian!).

As for students finding their own errors, the homeworks and quizzes were all corrected as one would expect. But, when I did the mandatory weekly drill sessions in the evening and some poor, nervous soul screwed up on the board, I'd try to have the person identify the problem by dropping hints; if that failed, I'd try to get someone else in the class to find the problem.

-GG

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica M. Cornelio Gualtero Graeco quiritibus, sociis,
> > peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are TAs here; I was a TA in Greek last year, but there is a strict
> > oversight by some senior faculty member. Sometimes I graded quizzes or
> > homeworks, which were reviewed by my senior before they were handed back to
> > the students.
> >
> > ATS: And you didn¹t compel the students to find their own errors? ;-)
> > Now, this is proper supervision of TA¹s. But quizzes? At the hallowed 1050
> > E. 59th? Not hourlies or midterms or finals? Mere quizzes? Don¹t these kids
> > have anything more challenging than that...even at the College? ;-)
> >
> >
> > Next academic year I will be an instructor in Greek, but what usually happens
> > is that there are two sections for a course where one is taught by the
> > advanced grad student and another by a faculty member, and the faculty member
> > sets the agenda, the texts and writes the midterm and final exams which are
> > graded together by the instructor and professor... at least in the Classics
> > dept. I can't speak for other depts.
> >
> > ATS: The Classics Department is more sensible, but I find it difficult to
> > envision anything resembling a TA at UC. Hope they are not running short of
> > full professors...I surely can¹t see a TA teaching Sanskrit, or Hittite, or
> > Akkadian...
> >
> > At my undergrad U, we had one section of beginning Greek (baby Greek, as
> > one of the profs called it), conducted in a none-too-elegant classroom in the
> > basement of the engineering building...at a time when that discipline was
> > forbidden to women.
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Gualterus
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A.
> > Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@> wrote:
> >> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae C. Equitio Catoni quiritibus,
> >>> sociis,
> >>> > > peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Livia Catoni sal.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Well, I thought that since Gualterus' grad school teaches impossible
> >>> things
> >>> > > like correcting your own mistakes (when learning a language) they might
> >>> have
> >>> > > been the ones who taught the Baron of Munchausen.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > ATS: Here I think you may be slightly confused, Plauta; it was
> >>> Poplicola
> >>> > > who said his graduate school taught such things. Rest assured that that
> >>> sort
> >>> > > of thing is highly unlikely at the University of Chicago, where
> >>> Gualterus is
> >>> > > apparently pursuing his doctorate. The U of Chi is one of the finest
> >>> > > universities in this country, home of the renowned Oriental Institute
> >>> (inter
> >>> > > alia), and is not a place where one would expect that sort of thing.
> >>> Last I
> >>> > > heard, there were no fancy sports teams there, with athletes who had to
> be
> >>> > > passed because they were skilled at some silly game or other, and no
> >>> teaching
> >>> > > assistants, though it seems that some have now been added. The
> >>> University of
> >>> > > Chicago has very high standards, and does not teach underwater basket
> >>> weaving
> >>> > > or leave error correction in the hands of any but the most competent
> >>> TA¹s (if
> >>> > > indeed they have them). Normally only the professors teach there. >>>
> Other
> >>> > > colleges and universities may well do otherwise, but not UC. Crescat
> >>> > > scientia; vita excolatur.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Of course I wouldn't mind going to Hogwarts. However, I'm afraid that
> >>> school
> >>> > > has rather strict entrly requirements.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > ATS: So does the U of Chicago. Maybe you should check them out.
> Now
> >>> > > Poplicola goes elsewhere, near San Francisco, if I am not mistaken, and
> >>> > > probably is at a state college or university. There is a world of
> >>> difference
> >>> > > between the quality schools like Chicago and Yale and Princeton and
> >>> Hahvahd
> >>> > > and some others (not that all state schools are bad; many are quite
> >>> good, even
> >>> > > excellent), but one should not assume that a university, whether or not
> it
> >>> > > bears a toponym, is automatically inferior.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Vale,
> >>> > > Livia
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Valete.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> > > From: "Cato" <catoinnyc@>
> >>> > > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> >>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:54 PM
> >>> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Cato Liviae Plautae sal.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > You'd probably have to go to Hogwarts for that. :)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Vale,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Cato
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "L.
> >>> > > Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@>
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> > Salve Poplicola,
> >>>>> > >> > do they also teach you how to pull yourself out of the water by
> >>>>> your hair?
> >>>>> > >> > Because *that* would definitely make grad school attractive to me.
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> > Optime vale,
> >>>>> > >> > Livia
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> > >> > From: "qvalerius" <q.valerius.poplicola@>
> >>>>> > >> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> >>>>> > >> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:21 AM
> >>>>> > >> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Witnessing appointment
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> > Salve,
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> > In grad school, the professors force you to learn how to correct
> >>>>> your own
> >>>>> > >> > mistakes. Your "training" must have been elementary at best.
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> > Vale.
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> ,
> >>>> > >> "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Maior Scholasticae Liviaeque spd;
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my gratitude to you both. I've studied French, Italian,
> >>>>>>> Russian and
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > German in high school and university and always had my
> mistakes
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > corrected.
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > It's the only way to learn. I appreciate the help and support.
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > If only the rest of this list were like you two!
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > optime vale
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Maior
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> >>>>> > >>> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > C. Petronius L. Liviae s.p.d.,
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > I have been a language teacher for 15 years, and I
> assure you that
> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > the
> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > correct attitude is to provide corrections to
> >>>>>>>>>>> mistakes. The habit
> >> > of
> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > letting students guess where their mistakes are
> >>>>>>>>>>> drives them up the
> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > wall. (I will let you look up the meaning of this
> expression,
> >> > since
> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > this is the method you are so fond of).
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I have not such experience, I never wanted to teach
> >>>>>>>>> anything... but
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > after 7 years of studying English language I was not able
> to follow a
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > discussion. And that is the sort of all the French pupils
> studying
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > English... so, I learnt Latin alone, with my own method,
> and now I
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > write
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > poetries and novels in latin, the last "de Saturnalibus
> cruentis"
> >> > will
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > be available on the Circulus website on the beginning of
> september...
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > I never withdrew my statement. I firmly believe that
> it's not my
> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > place
> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > to decide whether a senate session was legal or not.
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > It is not the point... you witness an act which did not
> happened.
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > I did correct "Magisterum" with "Magistrum" before
> posting,
> >> > though.
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I have to register you in the first Latinitatis decuria.
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Optime vale.
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Nonis Sextilibus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quiritibus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Optime vos omnes.

Hodie est ante diem VI Eidus Sextiliae; haec dies comitialis est:

AUC 265 / 488 BCE: Coriolanus and the Matrons of Rome

"When Gnaeus Marcius Coriolanus, who had been exiled, was made leader of the Volscians and led an enemy army against the city, first envoys were sent, then priests, begging him not to attack his own country, but he did not return until his mother Veturia and wife Volumnia asked the same." ~ T. Livius, Perioche 2.23


FORTUNA MULIEBRIS AND THE MATORNS OF ROME

"It occurred to the women after some deliberation to ask for no invidious gift, but to request of the senate permission to found a temple to Fortuna Muliebris on the spot where they had interceded for their country, and to assemble and perform annual sacrifices to Her on the day on which they had put an end to the war. However, the senate and people decreed that from the public funds a precinct should be purchased and consecrated to the Goddess, and a temple and alter erected upon it, in such manner as the pontiffs should direct, and that sacrifices should be performed at the public expense, the initial ceremonies to be conducted by a woman, whichever one the women themselves should choose to officiate at the rites. The senate having passed this decree, the woman then chosen by the others to be priestess for the first time was Valeria, who had proposed to them the embassy and had persuaded the mother of Marcius to join the others in going out of the city. The first sacrifice was performed on behalf of the people by the women, Valeria beginning the rites, upon the altar raised in the sacred precinct, before the temple and the statue were erected, in the month of December of the following year, on the day of the new moon, which the Greeks call noumênia and the Romans calends; for this was the day which had put an end to the war. The year after the first sacrifice the temple built at public expense was finished and dedicated about the seventh of the month Quintilis, reckoning by the course of the moon; this, according to the Romans' calendar, is the day before the nones of Quintilis. The man who dedicated the temple was Proculus Verginius, one of the consuls.

"It would be in harmony with a formal history and in the interest of correcting those who think that the Gods are neither pleased with the honors They receive from men nor displeased with impious and unjust actions, to make known the epiphany of the Goddess at that time, not once, but twice, as it is recorded in the books of the pontiffs, to the end that by those who are more scrupulous about preserving the opinions concerning the Gods which they have received from their ancestors such belief may be maintained firm and undisturbed by misgivings, and that those who, despising the customs of their forefathers, hold that the Gods have no power over man's reason, may, preferably, retract their opinion, or, if they are incurable, that the may become still more odious to the Gods and more wretched. It is related, then, that when the senate had ordered that the whole expense both of the temple and of the statue should be defrayed from the public treasury, and the women had caused another statue to be made with the money they themselves had contributed, and both statues had been set up together on the first day of the dedication of the temple, one of them, the one which the women had provided, uttered some words in Latin in a voice both distinct and loud, when many were present. The meaning of the words when translated is as follows: "You have conformed to the holy law of the City, matrons, in dedicating Me." The women who were present were very incredulous, as usually happens in the case of unusual voices and sights, believing that it was not the statue that had spoken, but some human voice; and those particularly who happened at the moment to have their mind on something else and did not see what it was that spoke, showed this incredulity toward those who had seen it. Later, on a second occasion, when the temple was full and there chanced to be a profound silence, the same statue pronounced the same words in a louder voice, so that there was no longer any doubt about it. The senate, upon hearing what had passed, ordered other sacrifices and rites to be performed every year, such as the interpreters of religious rites should direct. And the women upon the advice of their priestess established it as a custom that no women who had been married a second time should crown this statue with garlands or touch it with their hands, but that all the honor and worship paid to it should be committed to the newly-married women." ~ Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Roman Antiquities 8.55.3-56.4


Our thought for today comes from Sextius, Pythagorean Sentinces 17:

"You will not be concealed from divinity when you act unjustly, nor even when you think of doing so."

Salvete

FYI

Valete

Ti. Galerius Paulinus



To: explorator@yahoogroups.com; BRITARCH@...
From: rogueclassicist@...
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 09:50:51 -0400
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Thanks to Arthur Shippee, Dave Sowdon,Donna Hurst,
Edward Rockstein, Rick Heli,Hernan Astudillo, Kurt Theis,
Robert T White, John McMahon, Barnea Selavan,Joseph Lauer,
Mike Ruggeri,Bob Heuman, Rochelle Altman, and Ross W. Sargent
for headses upses this week (as always
hoping I have left no one out).

n.b. I'm in a different time zone and in a low bandwidth situation
this week and next ... I have not been able to check some links
with the thoroughness (such as it is) that I usually do ...
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EARLY HUMANS
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Checking out Otzi's dna:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/five-millennia-on-iceman-of-bolzano-gives-up-dna-secrets-2041236.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38578491/ns/technology_and_science-science/

A Neanderthal 'bedroom' find:

http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/neanderthal-bedroom-house.html

Feature on sediba:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/40260/

Eating meat made us smarter:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128849908

On the whys of domestication:

http://www.physorg.com/news198857237.html

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ANCIENT NEAR EAST AND EGYPT
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Recent finds by Polish archaeologists in Egypt:

http://en.naukawpolsce.pl/palio/html.run?_Instance=cms_naukapl.pap.pl&_PageID=1&s=szablon.depesza&dz=archeology&dep=374434&data=&lang=EN&_CheckSum=882016613

An update from KV 63

The mummy of Tasherytpanenekh is heading to the hospital:

http://annistonstar.com/view/full_story/9007251/article-Anniston-mummy-headed-to-hospital?instance=1st_left

A 3000 y.b.p. Canaanite bracelet from Israel:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=39696
http://www.antiquities.org.il/about_eng.asp?Modul_id=14
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/culture/2010-08/03/c_13428487.htm
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138923

Important 6th/5th century B.C.E. cemetery find from Tarous:

http://www.english.globalarabnetwork.com/201008086827/Culture/syrian-archaeologists-discovery-of-cemetery-building-casts-light-on-phoenician-religious-traditions.html

Not sure if we've mentioned this Philistine temple from Gath find:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3927273,00.html
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20100804/archaeologists-uncover-philistine-temple-in-goliaths-hometown/

Claims of extracts from the Cyrus Cylinder being found in China (hmmmm):

http://www.theartnewspaper.com/articles/Extracts-of-Cyrus-Cylinder-found-in-China_/21147
http://www.iranian.com/main/news/2010/08/04/british-museum-curator-has-identified-cuneiform-text-inscribed-horse-bones

The focus on this one is ANE items but it looks like Xray fluorescence can
be used to
determine the origins of assorted items (in this case a late Bronze Age
letter):

http://www.physorg.com/news200229766.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100805143059.htm
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1901707/reading_the_zip_codes_of_3500yearold_letters/index.html?source=r_science
http://www.aftau.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=12647
http://yubanet.com/scitech/Reading-the-zip-codes-of-3-500-year-old-letters.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-08/afot-rtz080510.php
Feature on the Burnt City:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=137556§ionid=3510304

Feature on the Tel Beth Shemesh dig:

http://www.yorknewstimes.com/articles/2010/08/06/news/doc4c5a0b8779d9c381138275.txt

Interview with Oded Borowski about his dig near Kibbutz Lahav and other
things:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/2428

Interesting feature about/interviews with some of the folks of the IAA:

http://www.archaeology.org/israel_antiquities_authority/

Not really an archaeology story per se, but if this report is accurate,
things
are going to get even more complicated in Israel:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138949

... seems it's related to this:

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=183704

... and the Temple Mount saga continues:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/government-tried-to-bury-report-on-temple-mount-excavations-1.305298
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=183575

More on who wrote the DSS:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/07/100727-who-wrote-dead-sea-scrolls-bible-science-tv/

Egyptology News Blog:

http://egyptology.blogspot.com/

Egyptology Blog:

http://www.egyptologyblog.co.uk/

Dr Leen Ritmeyer's Blog:

http://blog.ritmeyer.com/

Paleojudaica:

http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/

Persepolis Fortification Archives:

http://persepolistablets.blogspot.com/

Archaeologist at Large:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/ArchaeologyinEgypt/
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New findings from an Etruscan tomb:

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2010/08/05/New-findings-from-ancient-tomb-in-Italy/UPI-42701281054685/
http://www.officialwire.com/main.php?action=posted_news&rid=196066

They're hoping some digs in Malta will shed light on ancient wine
production:

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100806/local/digs-may-throw-more-light-on-ancient-wine-production

Not sure about this report of 'illegal digs' leading to the discovery of the
tomb of King Hekataios near Milas:

http://www.officialwire.com/main.php?action=posted_news&rid=196061&catid=62

A survey has found Roman remains near Cockermouth and Papcastle:

http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/other/survey-shows-up-roman-remains-near-cockermouth-and-papcastle-1.743189?referrerPath=news/

There's a new Classics major at Canisius College:

http://www.canisius.edu/newsevents/display_story.asp?iNewsID=6448&strBack=%2FDefault.asp

The blog for the Mt Lykaion dig is up and running:

http://mountlykaion.wordpress.com/

Why learn Greek:

http://timesonline.typepad.com/dons_life/2010/08/why-learn-ancient-greek.html

The Colosseum will be open late:

http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=39817
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38595903/ns/travel-destination_travel/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20100806/ap_tr_ge/eu_travel_brief_italy_colosseum_by_night_1

Some more coverage of that students-train-as-gladiators thing:

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/837023-students-test-their-strength-as-they-train-as-gladiators

More on Cleopatra's pearls:

http://news.discovery.com/history/cleopatra-pearl-cocktail.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38536846/ns/technology_and_science-science/

More on Alexander and the Styx:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/7924855/Alexander-the-Great-poisoned-by-the-River-Styx.html
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/world/Alexander+killed+poison+gods/3354870/story.html

More on the (most-recently-found) remains of John the Baptist:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10849211
http://paper.standartnews.com/en/article.php?d=2010-07-30&article=33767
http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n226749
http://english.ruvr.ru/2010/08/02/14162182.html
http://eu.greekreporter.com/2010/08/02/remains-of-saint-john-the-baptist-were-found-in-sozopol/
http://www.novinite.com/newsletter/print.php?id=118869
http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/john-the-baptists-bones-discovered.html

... and I'm not sure this is genuine or not (NSFW language):

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=118913

An interview with Adrienne Mayor:

http://www.unrv.com/book-review/interview-adrienne-mayor.php

Review of Goldsworthy's *Antony and Cleopatra*:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/191756/The-Real-Antony-and-Cleopatra

Review of Simon Price, *The Birth of Classical Europe*:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/7926897/The-Birth-of-Classical-Europe-by-Simon-Price-and-Peter-Thonemann-review.html

Review of Vicki Leon, *How to Mellify a Corpse*:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129024911

Review of Robert OConnell, *The Ghosts of Cannae*:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-06/hannibal-killed-100-romans-per-minute-at-cannae-lewis-lapham.html

Latest reviews from Scholia:

http://www.classics.ukzn.ac.za/reviews/

Latest reviews from BMCR:

http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/recent.html

Visit our blog:

http://rogueclassicism.com/
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14 000 y.b.p. dog remains from a Swiss cave:

http://www.physorg.com/news199964650.html

Plans to probe a possible Saxon hall site in Powys:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-10837347

Evidence of early Scots decorating:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2010/08/03/archaeologists-uncover-decorations-on-orkney-stones-86908-22460847/

A Byzantine winery on St Atanas Cape (Bulgaria):

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=118852
http://www.balkantravellers.com/en/read/article/2176

The dig at Marden Henge is wrapping up:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/wiltshire/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8892000/8892445.stm

Some medieval burials and a coin from Chernogorovo:

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n227523

A medieval roof finial from near the Thames:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/aug/03/medieval-roof-finial-found-thames
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10860459

Medieval site from the Isle of Man:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-10879580

Latest facial (and voice?) reconstruction is of Gristhorpe Man:

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/8310552.Scientists_give_face_and_voice_to_Bronze_Age_man/

Archaeology in Europe Blog:

http://archaeology-in-europe.blogspot.com/

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ASIA AND THE SOUTH PACIFIC
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A foot bone is suggesting the Phillippines may have been settled
67 000 y.b.p.:

http://www.physorg.com/news200028897.html
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20100803/tap-philippines-archaeology-human-histor-5cc1ef8.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/philippines/7924538/Archaeologists-unearth-67000-year-old-human-bone-in-Philippines.html
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/7696110/ancient-bone-find-may-change-human-history/
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/197541/researchers-discover-fossil-of-human-older-than-tabon-man
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=599836&publicationSubCategoryId=200

... and they're arguing about Murray River Man:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/evolutionary-dispute-shapes-up/story-e6frgcjx-1225900776432

They're digging up some 1200 y.b.p. ponds in Bangalore:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Bangalores-1200-year-old-secret/articleshow/6270586.cms

Flooding threatens Mohenjodaro:

http://www.newkerala.com/news2/fullnews-15922.html
http://www.newkerala.com/news2/fullnews-15963.html
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=378819&version=1&template_id=41&parent_id=23

A Shaolin temple in China has made the World Heritage List:

http://www.newkerala.com/news2/fullnews-12063.html

Plans to look for an ancient city off Tamil Nadu's coast:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Port-town-buried-under-the-sea/articleshow/6270629.cms

East Asian Archaeology:

http://eastasiablog.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/east-asian-archaeology-cultural-heritage-%E2%80%93-2052010/

Southeast Asian Archaeology Newsblog:

http://www.southeastasianarchaeology.com/

New Zealand Archaeology eNews:

http://www.nzarchaeology.org/netsubnews.htm
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NORTH AMERICA
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Native American artifacts from Terre Haute:

http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/local/Native-American-ancient-artifacts-found

Possible War of 1812 wreck from the Patuxent River:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/04/AR2010080407095.html
http://feeds.nbcwashington.com/click.phdo?i=e363492568cee4b4d0de8c03475eebe4

The World Trade Center ship dates back to the 1780s:

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6452535-ship-found-at-ground-zero-dates-back-to-1780s

Some video of the HMS Investigator:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2dFcNWO8tQ

.... and a slideshow:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10899878

... and the 'dig' has wrapped up:

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/Scientists+wrap+Arctic+Investigator+exploration/3351171/story.html
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/SciTech/20100803/investigator-ship-wreck-100803/
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/most-important-shipwreck-in-history-found-in-arctic-14898464.html
http://hqyellowknife.com/news/6844/Historic%20ship%20may%20remain%20at%20bottom%20of%20Mercy%20Bay,%20NWT/

New treasure/salvage laws in New Brunswick:

http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/news/article/1166880

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CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA
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Excitement over what may lie within some sealed tunnels at Teotihuacan:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=39718
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tunnel-at-ancient-mexican-site-may-hold-tombs-2043562.html
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/08/04/tunnel-teotihuacan-mexico.html?ref=rss
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38579850/ns/technology_and_science-science/
http://news.therecord.com/article/756031
http://www.canadaeast.com/rss/article/1161620
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_15672001?source=rss
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/accent/travel/mexico-finds-tunnel-possible-tombs-under-ruins-839771.html
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/archeologists-excavate-tunnels-and-ancient-tomb-in-mexico_100407662.html

Easter Island's demise is blamed on 'outsiders' (again):

http://www.physorg.com/news199976923.html

More on that Moche sacrifice hall:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/07/photogalleries/100730-human-sacrifice-chamber-peru-presentation-science-pictures

More on that Maya 'tapestry':

http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=39630
Mike Ruggeri's Ancient Americas Breaking News:

http://web.mac.com/michaelruggeri

Ancient MesoAmerica News:

http://ancient-mesoamerica-news-updates.blogspot.com/
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OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST
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General coverage of the lates UNESCO Heritage Site selections (these are all
quite different):

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=39757
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/08/01/world/AP-LT-Brazil-UNESCO.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-10850633
http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n227527
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/03/travel/main6740777.shtml
http://www.france24.com/en/20100801-unesco-adds-new-sites-world-heritage-list-includes-historic-french-city-albi-culture

... and some reaction from Australia's Aborigines:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/7924242/Aborigines-claim-Unesco-list-whitewashes-Australias-cultural-heritage.html

Plans for a tourist centre at Peperikon have appaently stalled:

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=118920

Digging in Greenland presents some unique challenges:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/news/337990,polar-bear-attack-greenland.html
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100805/world-news/archaeologist-shoots-polar-bear-in-greenland
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Archeologist+shoots+dead+rampaging+polar+bear/3361956/story.html

Humans were lucky to survive an ancient climate crisis, apparently:

http://www.physorg.com/news200216929.html
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TOURISTY THINGS
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Lycian Way:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/activityandadventure/walkingholidays/7923876/Turkeys-Lycian-Way-Walking-on-the-trail-of-ghosts.html
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BLOGS AND PODCASTS
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About.com Archaeology:

http://archaeology.about.com/

Archaeology Briefs:

http://archaeologybriefs.blogspot.com/

Naked Archaeology Podcast:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/archaeology/

Taygete Atlantis excavations blogs aggregator:

http://planet.atlantides.org/taygete/

Time Machine:

http://heatherpringle.wordpress.com/
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CRIME BEAT
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Concerns for sites in Cambodia:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/03/cambodia-khmer-heritage-unesco-angkor

... and concerns for Egyptian antiquities:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/culture/2010-08/04/c_13429830.htm

More sentencing in the Utah case:

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Another-sentenced-in-4-Corners-artifacts-case/QDwSGkFShU2SZjEU-uyAtw.cspx?rss=20
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50061295-76/probation-patterson-benson-antiquities.html.csp

Bulgaria is demanding Canada return some items recovered in a smuggling
attempt:

http://www.novinite.com/newsletter/print.php?id=118882
http://www.novinite.com/newsletter/print.php?id=118873
http://www.novinite.com/newsletter/print.php?id=118921

Latest in the Raphael Golb trial:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/08/06/2010-08-06_manhattan_lawyer_raphael_golb_charged_with_impersonating_dead_sea_scrolls_reject.html
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/accused_dead_trial_scrolls_identity_EGuHNd1T8NVwbZlU5L1oOJ

Vandals hit a Dumfries church site:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-10879610

Looting Matters:

http://lootingmatters.blogspot.com/

Illicit Cultural Property:

http://illicit-cultural-property.blogspot.com/
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NUMISMATICA
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A 1773 Virgina copper halfpenny from a dig in Trappe:

http://www.phoenixvillenews.com/articles/2010/08/05/news/doc4c56fc377a0fc882853070.txt

I think we've mentioned at least one of these Republican coins found near
Manchester before:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/manchester/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8893000/8893100.stm

Clumsy archaeologists have found a hoard of 166 silver coins at a medieval
fortress in Bulgaria:

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=118833
http://www.sofiaecho.com/2010/08/04/942267_archaeology-medieval-treasure-found-in-north-eastern-bulgaria

Latest eSylum newsletter:

http://www.coinbooks.org/club_nbs_esylum_v13n31.html

Ancient Coin Collecting:

http://ancientcoincollecting.blogspot.com/

Ancient Coins:

http://classicalcoins.blogspot.com/

Coin Link:

http://www.coinlink.com/News/
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EXHIBITIONS, AUCTIONS, AND MUSEUM-RELATED
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Tut's chariot:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/arts/design/03chariot.html
http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/08/03/king-tuts-chariot-arrives-in-nyc/
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/around-town/events/King-Tuts-Chariot-on-Display-at-Times-Square-99847434.html

Mummies:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38545449/ns/travel-destination_travel/

Major restorations going on/complete at Berlin's Tell -Halaf archaeological
museum
(or rather, the things in it that were bombed during WWII):

http://www.physorg.com/news200029044.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g64nabXIrmauK2XZjXDNxRN5JMyg
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100804/world-news/ancient-treasure-rises-from-berlin-rubble

Funding concerns for Segontium Roman Fort and Caernarfon Maritime Museum:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/northwestwales/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8880000/8880885.stm

Some 'new' items at the Reading Museum:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/berkshire/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8885000/8885667.stm

A Pictish throne is on display at a Highlands museum threatened with
closure:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-10879788

Struggles elsewhere affect Maryport's Senhouse Roman Museum too:

http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/other/funding-shortage-hits-roman-museum-project-1.743122?referrerPath=news/

Feature on a visit to the Met:

http://www1.voanews.com/learningenglish/home/Visiting-the-Met-99884049.html

Feature on the renovated Israel Museum:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=39804

Feature on the remodelled antiquities at the CMA:

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/08/01/life/nh2828687.txt

A History of the World (BM)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/explorerflash/
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PODCASTS
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The Book and the Spade:

http://www.radioscribe.com/bknspade.htm

The Dig:

http://www.thedigradio.com/

Stone Pages Archaeology News:

http://news.stonepages.com/

Archaeologica Audio News:

http://www.archaeologychannel.org/AudioNews.asp
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Salvete omnes,

My wife is looking for information and sources on Roman herbal lore,
especially medicinal uses. She's somewhat familiar with modern holistic
medicine, and a degree of Western herbal lore, but she's looking for sources
for specifically Roman material. As it is not something I've ever researched
myself, I figured I would put the question out to the list. I can sort of
guess at some things - like I'm guessing Pliny the Elder might be a good
source, but I've never read anything but short excerpts from him. Any ideas?

~ Gaius Tullius Valerianus


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Salve Valeriane,

In addition to Pliny the Elder, A. Cornelius Celsus' De Medicina is another resource. Soranus(fragments & Gynaecia through Aurelianus ), Caelius Aurelianus(De morbis acutis et chronicis) and as you know many Roman physicians learned from Galen(Claudii Galeni opera omnia) and Dioscorides (his Herbal Medicine text is studied by Ayurvedists and alt. healers). Other sources: Heron of Alexandria (Pneumatica et Automata)Hippocrates (Decorum & On the Sacred Disease)fragments from Onbasius. The Extant works of Aretaeus of Cappadocia is another studied by Ancient Romans. I think that is a good beginning.
This thread, which has many posts, has some info to also help your uxor get started:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/10553

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> My wife is looking for information and sources on Roman herbal lore,
> especially medicinal uses. She's somewhat familiar with modern holistic
> medicine, and a degree of Western herbal lore, but she's looking for sources
> for specifically Roman material. As it is not something I've ever researched
> myself, I figured I would put the question out to the list. I can sort of
> guess at some things - like I'm guessing Pliny the Elder might be a good
> source, but I've never read anything but short excerpts from him. Any ideas?
>
> ~ Gaius Tullius Valerianus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>