*Mos maiorum and the Second Punic War*
by *Vallis, Annamarie*, M.A., California State University, Fresno, 2006 , 93
pages; AAT 1445022
Abstract (Summary)

Ancient Rome bequeathed as a legacy to the world a Greco-Roman culture, law,
administration, architecture, and Christianity. Roman tradition and custom,
that which was customarily accepted as precedent, *mos maiorum, * would come
to be challenged at a time when Rome needed to adapt to the changes brought
forth by the Second *Punic* War.

This second war with Carthage witnessed many changes to long-standing
tradition, but this in and of itself was not wholly unconventional. What set
this war apart from other conflicts was the active participation of a
legendary Roman statesman, Quintus Fabius Maximus. His participation offers
readers a glimpse at the workings of *mos maiorum * during a time of
incredible pressure on the people of Italy. This window into the past is
illustrative in that one can see the amendments to custom materialize due in
part to the new and liberal thinking of the traditionally conservative
Fabius.


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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodie est ante diem VIII Kalendas Septembris; hic dies nefastus
publicus est.

"Hanc autem deam Opem Saturni coniugem crediderunt, et ideo hoc mense
Saturnalia itemque Opalia celebrari, quod Saturnus eiusque uxor tam
frugum quam fructuum repertores esse credantur: itaque omni iam fetu
agrorum coacto ab hominibus hos deos coli quasi vitae cultioris
auctores: quos etiam nonnullis caelum ac terram esse persuasum est,
Saturnumque a satu dictum, cuius causa de caelo est, et terram Opem,
cuius ope humanae vitae alimenta quaeruntur, vel ab opere per quod
fructus frugesque nascuntur. Huic deae sedentes vota concipiunt,
terramque de industria tangunt, demonstrantes ipsam matrem terram esse
mortalibus adpetendam." - Macrobius, Saturnalia I.X.19-21

"Opeconsiva dies ab dea Ope Consiva, cuius in Regia sacrarium quod
adeo artum, eo praeter virgines Vestales et sacerdotem publicum
introeat nemo. 'Is cum eat, suffibulum ut habeat,' scriptum: id
dicitur ab suffigendo subfigabulum." - Varro, de Lingua Latina 6.22

Today is the celebration of the Opiconsivia, in honor of the goddess
Ops. Ops, the Earth Mother, also is considered the Great Mother of
the Gods, and the Great Goddess. As such, Ops is a manifestation of
Rhea, Cybele, Demeter, and so on, personifying the earth as the giver
of all riches.

"A female Roman divinity of plenty and fertility, as is indicated by her nane, which is connected with opinus, opuleidus, iopsq, anid copia. (Fest. p. 186. &c. ed. Müller.) She was regarded as the wife of Saturnus, and, accordingly, as the protectress of every thing connected with agriculture. Her abode was in the earth, and hence those who invoked her, or made vows to her, used to touch the ground (Macrob. Sat. i. 10), and as she was believed to give to human beings both their place of abode and their food, newly-born children were recommended to her care. (August. de Civ Dei, iv. 11, 21.) Her worship was intimately connected with that of her husband Saturnus, for she had both temples and festivals in common with him; she had, however, also a separate sanctuary on the Capitol, and in the vicus jugarius, not far from the temple of Saturnus, she had an altar in common with Ceres. (Liv. xxxix. 22; P. Vict. Req. Urb. viii ) The festivals of Ops are called Opalia and Opiconsivia, from her surname Consita, connected with the verb serere, to sow. (Fest. 1. c. ; Macrob. Sat. i. 10, 12.)" - Roman Myth Index (http://www.mythindex.com/roman-mythology/O/Ops.html)

Her consort, the god Consus, is the protector of grains and
subterranean storage bins (silos), and as such was represented by a
corn seed. He became confused with the god of counsel because of the
linguistic similarity, but is entirely distinct from that god. The
festival of Consus, the Consualia, was celebrated twice a year: once
on August 21, after the harvest, and once on December 15, after the
sowing of crops was finished. The Consualia was instituted by Romulus,
and commemorated the rape (and insemination) of the Sabine women by
the Romans. Consus was eventually identified with Neptunus Equester,
the alternative name and counterpart of Poseidon Hippios. Neptune had been associated with the animal since archaic times.

The Opiconsivia festival was superintended the Vestals and the
Flamines of Quirinus, an early Sabine god said to be the deified
Romulus, absorbed and being included in the first and earliest
Capitoline Triad, along with Mars — then an agriculture god — and Jupiter. The main priestess at the regia wore a white veil, characteristic of the vestal virgins. A chariot race was performed in the Circus Maximus. Horses and mules, their heads crowned with chaplets made of flowers, also partook in the celebration.

Opis was deemed a chthonic (underworld, inside the earth) goddess who
made the vegetation grow. Since her abode was inside the earth, Ops
was invoked by her worshipers while sitting, with their hands touching
the ground, according to Macrobius. Consus seems to be an alternate
name of Saturn in the chthonic aspect as consort, since he is also
held to be the husband of Ops. Festus identifies her husband as
Saturn: "Ops is said to be the wife of Saturn. By her they designated
the earth, because the earth distributes all goods to the human
gender" (203.19).

Valete bene!

Cato

M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quiritibus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Salvete, vosque bona Ops Opiferi auctet ope.

Hodie est ante diem VIII Kalendas Septembres; haec dies nefastus piaculum est: OPICONSIVA

"The day named Opeconsiva is so named from Ops Consiva, 'Bountiful Lady of Planting,' whose shrine is in the Regia; it is so restricted in size that no one may enter it except the Vestales Virgines and the sacerdos publica. 'When he goes there, let him wear a white veil (suffibulum),' is the direction. This suffibulum is named as if from sub-figabulum from suffigere, 'to fasten down.'" ~ M. Terrentius Varro, Lingua Latinae 6.21

The sacrarium Opis would seem to have been the pantry of the Regia. One theory holds that the sacerdos publica, was either the Rex Sacrorum or a pontifex standing in for the former kings while the Vestales represented the king's daughters. But this idea does not explain the pontifical instruction that the sacerdos is veiled as a Vestal. Another possibility is that the sacerdos publica was the flamen Quirinalis. There is a close connection between the Vestales and the flamen Quirinalis, a connection that is not fully understood. There is, for example, the story of the approach of the Gauls in 390 BCE and how it was the flamen Quirinalis rather than the pontifex maximus or Rex Sacrorum, who instructed the Vestales on what sacred relics to bury for safety and which to carry to the safety of Caere (Livy 5.39). Only days earlier, on 21 August, the flamen Quirinalis and Vestales Virgines joined together in sacrificing to Consus. In similar fashion, in December there is a conjunction of festivals for Consus (15 Dec.) and Ops (19 Dec.) with a four day interval. In December the festival of Saturninus comes between those for Consus and Ops, while in August it is a festival for Volcanus. The cold, moist earth of winter and the hot, dry earth of summer are framed, in Consus and Ops, by the male and female personifications of the bountiful earth.

The sacerdos and Vestales Virgines sacrifice this day to Ops as a Mother Earth in much the same way as the flamen Quirinalis and Vestales Virgines had done days earlier for Consus. While we may note parallels and connections that seem to appear, it is now lost to us as to why the sacerdos would on this occasion so uncharacteristically donned the veil of a Vestal.


AUC 057 / 246 BCE: Dedication of the Temple of Libertas on the Aventine Hill.

The first Temple of Libertas was financed by fines collected by the Aedilis Plebis Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus, who became consul in 238 BCE. He was the father of Consul Tiberius Gracchus who defeated Hanno on the River Caloirs at the Battle of Beneventum, 214 BCE. Most of his legions were composed of volunteer slaves. Following the battle, Gracchus freed the slaves and then commemorated the event with a painting in the Temple of Libertas (Livy 26.16).

This Temple of Libertas is not to be confused with the Atrium Libertatis that served as offices of the Censors where their records were stored along with the laws written on bronze tablets. The Atrium Libertatis was restored by Censores Aelius and Cornelius Cethegus in 194 BCE, during the consulship of yet another Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus who was the father of the Tribuni Plebis Gracchus brothers Tiberius and Gaius (Livy 34.44). At times this building was used as a place for detained hostages, as with the Thurians in 212 BCE (Livy 25.7.12). And during the trial of Milo for the murder of Clodius, the Atrium Libertatis was used to torture slaves held as witnesses (Cicero, Pro Milo 59). During the reign of Augustus the Atrium burned. It was restored once more by Assinius Pollio who then placed the first public library in his restored Atrium of Libertatis, the dedication occurring on 1 September (Suetonius, Augustus 29; Ovid Tristium 3.1.72).

In 58 BCE, after Cicero fled Rome rather than face exile, Tribunus Plebis Clodius Pulcher dedicated a shrine of Libertas on the Palatine over the ruins of Cicero's razed house. Later, returning after Clodius died in a fight with the gang of Milo, Cicero was to regain his land when the Collegium Pontificum declared that the shrine had been improperly dedicated.

Yet another Temple of Libertas was voted by the Senate in 46 BCE to honor Julius Caesar. This temple was never built, however, and instead a statue of Libertas was set up in the Forum of Julius Caesar that was later dedicated by Augustus. Today's festival concerns only the original Temple of Libertas built by Tiberius Gracchus on the Aventine.


AUC 832 / 79 CE: Eruption of Vesuvius continues; death of G. Plinius Secundus maior

"You could hear the shrieks of women, the wailing of infants, and the shouting of men; some were calling their parents, others their children or their wives, trying to recognize them by their voices. People bewailed their own fate or that of their relatives, and there were some who prayed for death in their terror of dying. Many besought the aid of the gods, but still more imagined there were no gods left, and that the universe was plunged into eternal darkness for evermore." ~ G. Plinius Caecilius Secundus minor, Letter 6.20 to Corneliue Tacitus


"Meanwhile on Mount Vesuvius broad sheets of fire and leaping flames blazed at several points, their bright glare emphasized by the darkness of night. My uncle tried to allay the fears of his companions by repeatedly declaring that these were nothing but bonfires left by the peasants in their terror, or else empty houses on fire in the districts they had abandoned. Then he went to rest and certainly slept, for as he was a stout man his breathing was rather loud and heavy and could be heard by people coming and going outside his door. By this time the courtyard giving access to his room was full of ashes mixed with pumice stones, so that its level had risen, and if he had stayed in the room any longer he would never have got out. He was wakened, came out and joined Pomponianus and the rest of the household who had sat up all night.

"They debated whether to stay indoors or take their chance in the open, for the buildings were now shaking with violent shocks, and seemed to be swaying to and fro as if they were torn from their foundations. Outside, on the other hand, there was the danger of failing pumice stones, even though these were light and porous; however, after comparing the risks they chose the latter. In my uncle's case one reason outweighed the other, but for the others it was a choice of fears. As a protection against falling objects they put pillows on their heads tied down with cloths.

"Elsewhere there was daylight by this time, but they were still in darkness, blacker and denser than any ordinary night, which they relieved by lighting torches and various kinds of lamp. My uncle decided to go down to the shore and investigate on the spot the possibility of any escape by sea, but he found the waves still wild and dangerous. A sheet was spread on the ground for him to lie down, and he repeatedly asked for cold water to drink.

"Then the flames and smell of sulphur which gave warning of the approaching fire drove the others to take flight and roused him to stand up. He stood leaning on two slaves and then suddenly collapsed, I imagine because the dense, fumes choked his breathing by blocking his windpipe which was constitutionally weak and narrow and often inflamed. When daylight returned on the 26th - two days after the last day he had been seen - his body was found intact and uninjured, still fully clothed and looking more like sleep than death." ~ G. Plinius Caecilius Secundus minor, Letter 6.16 to Corneliue Tacitus


Today's thought is from Stobaeus, Ethical Sentences 6:

"Wealth is an infirm anchor, glory is still more infirm; and in a similar manner, the body, dominion, and honor. For all these are imbecile and powerless. What then are powerful anchors? Prudence, magnanimity, and fortitude. These no tempest can shake. This is the Law of God, that virtue is the only thing that is strong; and that everything else is a trifle."



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Livia Hortensiae sal.

Apparently it's too much. Now even people I considered as friends have
joined the mobbing action against you.

I'm starting to think we should all leave Nova Roma, and leave it in the
hands of Cato, Sulla, Octavius, etc., which is obviously the aim they are
trying to reach. But after they got what they want they would only have each
other to hurl insults at.

Optime vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "rory12001" <rory12001@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:12 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Report of the August session of the Collegium
Pontificum PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE


M. Hortensia Scribae spd;

is it asking too much to be able to post without this incessant barrage
of insults? It isn't funny it creates an ML where others fear to post; for
fear next time it will be THEM.,,,

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Sulla,
>
> It seems to me that many stories by Stephen King have the Maine as
> theater...
>
> So perhaps that explains this Maior's mind capture...
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> wrote:
> >
> > *Whack*
> >
> > *WHACK*
> >
> > Misery, gotta love how Stephen King has captured the essence of Maior.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Hortensia Piscino Quiritibus spd;
> > >
> > > Piscine; my friend from Hibernia, Lupus, wrote to me about Nova Roma
> > > "I
> > > can't believe how bad it's got"....
> > >
> > > I won't participate in the endless online name-calling, arguing
> > > etc...It's
> > > a waste, Nova Roma's ML is dominated by a samll group of destructive
> > > people
> > > who have no desire to make or do anything positive on behalf of the
> > > Religio
> > > Romana or living Roman culture.
> > >
> > > di me favet
> > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salve Cato
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "Cato"
> > > <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salve Palladi;
> > > > > > all the cultores including me & the majority of the CP have the
> > > highest regard for M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > >
> > > > > CATO: another lie, and one that is on its face self-contradictory.
> > > > > I
> > > can name at least five cultores - including at least two pontiffs,
> > > both
> > > cultores - who do NOT hold Piscinus in any kind of regard at all and
> > > who, in
> > > fact, hold him responsible for the very worst damage done to the
> > > Respublica
> > > over the past three or four years.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > PISCINUS: You may want to reread this, and apologize for calling
> > > Hortensia a liar. She said "the majority of the CP." Two out of how
> > > many
> > > cultores who are in the Collegium Pontificum? Can't please everyone.
> > > And
> > > cultores would not agree with you that Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus is a
> > > cultor Deorum at all when he advocates temple prostitution. What he
> > > practices and advocates is some Hollywood perversion of the religio
> > > Romana.
> > > >
> > > > And, yes, you do write a lot, but apparently you are a very poor
> > > > reader,
> > > for you find words that aren't written and miscomprehend those that
> > > are.
> > > >
> > > > Vale
> > > >
> > > > M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > Pontifex Maximus
> > > > Magister Collegii Augurum
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Salve, et salvete,

To all Novi Romani, all without exception, I ask you to please plan to come to this event; we must come together and get to know each other away from the ML.
We must put our heads together in meetings and enjoyable activities, planned and impromptu, as Romans and work towards pulling our Respublica from the depths in which She now wallows.

We must put all animosity aside, or at least apply strong virtues and work through it.
I am not expecting us to hold hands around the campfire and sing kumbaya - although with enough Mulsum this could happen but I warn you, should this occur, I *will* document it with photos:)
I do expect as adults with a common interest we will find that commonality that will bind us together as Romans and we will come to a place where we can all move forward towards a Res publica we can all be proud to be a part of.

I cannot think of one Nova Roman citizen who I would not want to meet and engage in a discussion with.
Certainly there are many I could learn a great deal from, as well as those who I may form a close bond of friendship with.

It's time citizens, esp. those citizens in North America - I am asking this of you Canada and Mexico as well - make your travel plans to join us in South Carolina in six weeks.
More info here, including a link to the Conventus yahoo ML:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/79658

I also would like to take this moment to extend to those Novi Romani outside of North America to come and join us if you can. Airfares will be less expensive at that time of the year and there are many deals going on now. Free camping onsite is available and select members of the Provincia Cohors and Aedilician Cohors will assist you with lodging should you not wish to camp.

The Conventus promises to be a wonderful event even though Rota and I may be so exhausted by the time of its commencement that we may have to be carried about on lecticae:,)

Thank you Maior for the kind words.

Thank you all Novi Romani for taking a few moments to read this post.

Vale optime,

L. Iulia Aquila
Ædilis Curulis Novæ Romæ

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Euge! Julia;
> this is what it's all about. You and Rota are fantastic I've bought my tickets and I'll be there:) See you all fellow Novi Romani!
> optime valete
> Maior
>

I guess I was booted from the BA for insulting your twin brother then.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> It wont be us because we are not as foolish as you are.
>
> And, I have the BA. Anyone can joke about me in an free environment on that
> list - they have in the past and they probably will do so in the future - it
> never has bothered me.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:

>
> Livia Hortensiae sal.
>
> Apparently it's too much. Now even people I considered as friends have
> joined the mobbing action against you.
>
> I'm starting to think we should all leave Nova Roma, and leave it in the
> hands of Cato, Sulla, Octavius, etc., which is obviously the aim they are
> trying to reach. But after they got what they want they would only have each
> other to hurl insults at.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>

Exactly.

Statia Aeternia Iuliae Aquilae sal:


Wow this looks like you all will have a blast for sure! What's the status
on garb? Will you have vendors there who specialize in Roman Clothing and
Weaponry? Actually the most important question, will there be vendors who
specialize in Roman Clothing that cater those of the curvesque nature??

Important Questions :-)

Vale Optime,
Statia Aeternia

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:36 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve, et salvete,
>
> To all Novi Romani, all without exception, I ask you to please plan to come
> to this event; we must come together and get to know each other away from
> the ML.
> We must put our heads together in meetings and enjoyable activities,
> planned and impromptu, as Romans and work towards pulling our Respublica
> from the depths in which She now wallows.
>
> We must put all animosity aside, or at least apply strong virtues and work
> through it.
> I am not expecting us to hold hands around the campfire and sing kumbaya -
> although with enough Mulsum this could happen but I warn you, should this
> occur, I *will* document it with photos:)
> I do expect as adults with a common interest we will find that commonality
> that will bind us together as Romans and we will come to a place where we
> can all move forward towards a Res publica we can all be proud to be a part
> of.
>
> I cannot think of one Nova Roman citizen who I would not want to meet and
> engage in a discussion with.
> Certainly there are many I could learn a great deal from, as well as those
> who I may form a close bond of friendship with.
>
> It's time citizens, esp. those citizens in North America - I am asking this
> of you Canada and Mexico as well - make your travel plans to join us in
> South Carolina in six weeks.
> More info here, including a link to the Conventus yahoo ML:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/79658
>
> I also would like to take this moment to extend to those Novi Romani
> outside of North America to come and join us if you can. Airfares will be
> less expensive at that time of the year and there are many deals going on
> now. Free camping onsite is available and select members of the Provincia
> Cohors and Aedilician Cohors will assist you with lodging should you not
> wish to camp.
>
> The Conventus promises to be a wonderful event even though Rota and I may
> be so exhausted by the time of its commencement that we may have to be
> carried about on lecticae:,)
>
> Thank you Maior for the kind words.
>
> Thank you all Novi Romani for taking a few moments to read this post.
>
> Vale optime,
>
> L. Iulia Aquila
> �dilis Curulis Nov� Rom�
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
> >
> > Euge! Julia;
> > this is what it's all about. You and Rota are fantastic I've bought my
> tickets and I'll be there:) See you all fellow Novi Romani!
> > optime valete
> > Maior
> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

C. Petronius L. Juliae et omnibus s.p.d.,

> All are Invited to Attend the
> II CONVENTVS NOVAE ROMAE NORTH AMERICA

I promiss that I will do all I can to be with you all at this Conventus.

Unfortunately my passport was valid untill 2002. I did not need to update it because of the Sheingen Zone and licence to travel within Europe Union only with my French Identity card.

But it is more difficult now to me to go in US that it was for La Fayette.

I have to update my passport and obtain Visa. I will begin the procees to obtain these papers since tomorrow Thursday August 25th, hoping that I will obtain all those papers for October 8th in order to be with you all at this North America Conventus.

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Cn. Livia Ocella L. Iuliae Aquilae omnibus SPD,

This sounds like a wonderful event! Unfortunately I cannot attend for a couple of reasons (busy time of the school year, as well as it being Canadian Thanksgiving weekend), but how frequent are events like this held? I would love to attend a conventus in future if possible, but I worry that I am passing up a rare chance in this case.

Optime vale et valete,
Ocella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Salve, et salvete,
>
> To all Novi Romani, all without exception, I ask you to please plan to come to this event; we must come together and get to know each other away from the ML.
> We must put our heads together in meetings and enjoyable activities, planned and impromptu, as Romans and work towards pulling our Respublica from the depths in which She now wallows.
>
> We must put all animosity aside, or at least apply strong virtues and work through it.
> I am not expecting us to hold hands around the campfire and sing kumbaya - although with enough Mulsum this could happen but I warn you, should this occur, I *will* document it with photos:)
> I do expect as adults with a common interest we will find that commonality that will bind us together as Romans and we will come to a place where we can all move forward towards a Res publica we can all be proud to be a part of.
>
> I cannot think of one Nova Roman citizen who I would not want to meet and engage in a discussion with.
> Certainly there are many I could learn a great deal from, as well as those who I may form a close bond of friendship with.
>
> It's time citizens, esp. those citizens in North America - I am asking this of you Canada and Mexico as well - make your travel plans to join us in South Carolina in six weeks.
> More info here, including a link to the Conventus yahoo ML:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/79658
>
> I also would like to take this moment to extend to those Novi Romani outside of North America to come and join us if you can. Airfares will be less expensive at that time of the year and there are many deals going on now. Free camping onsite is available and select members of the Provincia Cohors and Aedilician Cohors will assist you with lodging should you not wish to camp.
>
> The Conventus promises to be a wonderful event even though Rota and I may be so exhausted by the time of its commencement that we may have to be carried about on lecticae:,)
>
> Thank you Maior for the kind words.
>
> Thank you all Novi Romani for taking a few moments to read this post.
>
> Vale optime,
>
> L. Iulia Aquila
> Ædilis Curulis Novæ Romæ
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Euge! Julia;
> > this is what it's all about. You and Rota are fantastic I've bought my tickets and I'll be there:) See you all fellow Novi Romani!
> > optime valete
> > Maior
> >
>

Maior Liviae spd;
I'm beginning to think you are right amica, we could re-form enjoy our friends, the gods, Romanitas without all the toxic fighting.

The membership of NR could vote for dissolution: I checked the statue below, we could even do it before a board resolution to show the Senate just what the silent majority think.

http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bsec1101.html

>
> Livia Hortensiae sal.
>
> Apparently it's too much. Now even people I considered as friends have
> joined the mobbing action against you.
>
> I'm starting to think we should all leave Nova Roma, and leave it in the
> hands of Cato, Sulla, Octavius, etc., which is obviously the aim they are
> trying to reach. But after they got what they want they would only have each
> other to hurl insults at.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rory12001" <rory12001@>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:12 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Report of the August session of the Collegium
> Pontificum PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE
>
>
> M. Hortensia Scribae spd;
>
> is it asking too much to be able to post without this incessant barrage
> of insults? It isn't funny it creates an ML where others fear to post; for
> fear next time it will be THEM.,,,
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> > Ave Sulla,
> >
> > It seems to me that many stories by Stephen King have the Maine as
> > theater...
> >
> > So perhaps that explains this Maior's mind capture...
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > *Whack*
> > >
> > > *WHACK*
> > >
> > > Misery, gotta love how Stephen King has captured the essence of Maior.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > M. Hortensia Piscino Quiritibus spd;
> > > >
> > > > Piscine; my friend from Hibernia, Lupus, wrote to me about Nova Roma
> > > > "I
> > > > can't believe how bad it's got"....
> > > >
> > > > I won't participate in the endless online name-calling, arguing
> > > > etc...It's
> > > > a waste, Nova Roma's ML is dominated by a samll group of destructive
> > > > people
> > > > who have no desire to make or do anything positive on behalf of the
> > > > Religio
> > > > Romana or living Roman culture.
> > > >
> > > > di me favet
> > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve Cato
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > "Cato"
> > > > <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Salve Palladi;
> > > > > > > all the cultores including me & the majority of the CP have the
> > > > highest regard for M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CATO: another lie, and one that is on its face self-contradictory.
> > > > > > I
> > > > can name at least five cultores - including at least two pontiffs,
> > > > both
> > > > cultores - who do NOT hold Piscinus in any kind of regard at all and
> > > > who, in
> > > > fact, hold him responsible for the very worst damage done to the
> > > > Respublica
> > > > over the past three or four years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > PISCINUS: You may want to reread this, and apologize for calling
> > > > Hortensia a liar. She said "the majority of the CP." Two out of how
> > > > many
> > > > cultores who are in the Collegium Pontificum? Can't please everyone.
> > > > And
> > > > cultores would not agree with you that Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus is a
> > > > cultor Deorum at all when he advocates temple prostitution. What he
> > > > practices and advocates is some Hollywood perversion of the religio
> > > > Romana.
> > > > >
> > > > > And, yes, you do write a lot, but apparently you are a very poor
> > > > > reader,
> > > > for you find words that aren't written and miscomprehend those that
> > > > are.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale
> > > > >
> > > > > M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > Pontifex Maximus
> > > > > Magister Collegii Augurum
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Wouldn't it be easier for you to just resign instead of trying to get the
corporation dissolved?

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:34 AM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> Maior Liviae spd;
> I'm beginning to think you are right amica, we could re-form enjoy our
> friends, the gods, Romanitas without all the toxic fighting.
>
> The membership of NR could vote for dissolution: I checked the statue
> below, we could even do it before a board resolution to show the Senate just
> what the silent majority think.
>
> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bsec1101.html
>
> >
> > Livia Hortensiae sal.
> >
> > Apparently it's too much. Now even people I considered as friends have
> > joined the mobbing action against you.
> >
> > I'm starting to think we should all leave Nova Roma, and leave it in the
> > hands of Cato, Sulla, Octavius, etc., which is obviously the aim they are
>
> > trying to reach. But after they got what they want they would only have
> each
> > other to hurl insults at.
> >
> > Optime vale,
> > Livia
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rory12001" <rory12001@>
> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:12 AM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Report of the August session of the Collegium
> > Pontificum PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE
> >
> >
> > M. Hortensia Scribae spd;
> >
> > is it asking too much to be able to post without this incessant barrage
> > of insults? It isn't funny it creates an ML where others fear to post;
> for
> > fear next time it will be THEM.,,,
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ave Sulla,
> > >
> > > It seems to me that many stories by Stephen King have the Maine as
> > > theater...
> > >
> > > So perhaps that explains this Maior's mind capture...
> > >
> > > Vale.
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *Whack*
> > > >
> > > > *WHACK*
> > > >
> > > > Misery, gotta love how Stephen King has captured the essence of
> Maior.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > M. Hortensia Piscino Quiritibus spd;
> > > > >
> > > > > Piscine; my friend from Hibernia, Lupus, wrote to me about Nova
> Roma
> > > > > "I
> > > > > can't believe how bad it's got"....
> > > > >
> > > > > I won't participate in the endless online name-calling, arguing
> > > > > etc...It's
> > > > > a waste, Nova Roma's ML is dominated by a samll group of
> destructive
> > > > > people
> > > > > who have no desire to make or do anything positive on behalf of the
>
> > > > > Religio
> > > > > Romana or living Roman culture.
> > > > >
> > > > > di me favet
> > > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salve Cato
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "Cato"
> > > > > <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Salve Palladi;
> > > > > > > > all the cultores including me & the majority of the CP have
> the
> > > > > highest regard for M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > CATO: another lie, and one that is on its face
> self-contradictory.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > can name at least five cultores - including at least two pontiffs,
> > > > > both
> > > > > cultores - who do NOT hold Piscinus in any kind of regard at all
> and
> > > > > who, in
> > > > > fact, hold him responsible for the very worst damage done to the
> > > > > Respublica
> > > > > over the past three or four years.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PISCINUS: You may want to reread this, and apologize for calling
> > > > > Hortensia a liar. She said "the majority of the CP." Two out of how
>
> > > > > many
> > > > > cultores who are in the Collegium Pontificum? Can't please
> everyone.
> > > > > And
> > > > > cultores would not agree with you that Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus
> is a
> > > > > cultor Deorum at all when he advocates temple prostitution. What he
> > > > > practices and advocates is some Hollywood perversion of the religio
>
> > > > > Romana.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And, yes, you do write a lot, but apparently you are a very poor
> > > > > > reader,
> > > > > for you find words that aren't written and miscomprehend those that
>
> > > > > are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale
> > > > > >
> > > > > > M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > Pontifex Maximus
> > > > > > Magister Collegii Augurum
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ave Statia Aeternia!

Very important questions!

The status on garb is that we should all wear some:)

It would be great for all of us to be able to dress in Roman clothing and my personal goal it to at least sell my wares wearing a tunica or khiton. We shall see, time may not be on my side.

Currently we are coordinating with Scholastica to do a presentation on ancient clothing but she can tell you how to make a tunica or khiton etc.(they are easy, even stitched by hand) I am opting for a khiton, I hope. Rota's wife makes wonderful Roman clothing but I am not sure she will have time to do anything before the conventus - however she might could get your measurements and make something for you, but I am not sure - I will ask her.
If you would like to volunteer to check about the internet and maybe help get a Roman clothing vendor to come that will earn you "Rota bucks".
We will have a display of shield and sword and of course we have some folks from various legios. I will be bringing a couple of "personal" weapons myself. I have a few replicas as well that are not the best but I am bringing them - the best will be brought by Rota and other legionairres.
As for curvesque figures - I am thankful for Roman clothing! LaWren's nest finally has put up some new clothing and has some for we more voluptuous types. http://www.lawrensnest.com/roman.html
If you come I do hope you plan to take advantage of the open forum and read an appropriate poem or two:)

Vale,

Julia

<syrenslullaby@...> wrote:

>
> Statia Aeternia Iuliae Aquilae sal:
>
>
> Wow this looks like you all will have a blast for sure! What's the status
> on garb? Will you have vendors there who specialize in Roman Clothing and
> Weaponry? Actually the most important question, will there be vendors who
> specialize in Roman Clothing that cater those of the curvesque nature??
>
> Important Questions :-)
>
> Vale Optime,
> Statia Aeternia

>

Ave Petroni!

That is such good news! I hope the passport issue will get worked out, I will sacrifice to Mercurius!

Vale bene,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius L. Juliae et omnibus s.p.d.,
>
> > All are Invited to Attend the
> > II CONVENTVS NOVAE ROMAE NORTH AMERICA
>
> I promiss that I will do all I can to be with you all at this Conventus.
>
> Unfortunately my passport was valid untill 2002. I did not need to update it because of the Sheingen Zone and licence to travel within Europe Union only with my French Identity card.
>
> But it is more difficult now to me to go in US that it was for La Fayette.
>
> I have to update my passport and obtain Visa. I will begin the procees to obtain these papers since tomorrow Thursday August 25th, hoping that I will obtain all those papers for October 8th in order to be with you all at this North America Conventus.
>
> Optime valete.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>

Ave Ocella!

You will be missed! I truly looked forward to meeting you - there will be other opportunities, and you can always come to Nashville to see the Parthenon and other hidden little items of classic interest to be discovered in this town; next year we are pushing for a series on the Aeneid through the conservancy.

Frequency? Ideally a European and a North American Conventus is planned each year and provincia conventus occasionally are planned as well.

Next year maybe you will have more time to participate in the various cohors and you can help out:)

Vale optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaea Livia Ocella" <lbciddio@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Livia Ocella L. Iuliae Aquilae omnibus SPD,
>
> This sounds like a wonderful event! Unfortunately I cannot attend for a couple of reasons (busy time of the school year, as well as it being Canadian Thanksgiving weekend), but how frequent are events like this held? I would love to attend a conventus in future if possible, but I worry that I am passing up a rare chance in this case.
>
> Optime vale et valete,
> Ocella

Salvete;
there is 20K of the cives money that is hoarded and never spent by the Board of Directors.

I find this situation unethical as our nonprofit promises to advance Roman culture and religio. It doesn't.

I think the time has come for everyone to vote on what they think of Nova Roma. And let the cives tell the Board what it wants. They exist to serve the membership not the other way around.

http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bch11sec0.html
vale
M.Hortensia Maior

>
> Wouldn't it be easier for you to just resign instead of trying to get the
> corporation dissolved?
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:34 AM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Maior Liviae spd;
> > I'm beginning to think you are right amica, we could re-form enjoy our
> > friends, the gods, Romanitas without all the toxic fighting.
> >
> > The membership of NR could vote for dissolution: I checked the statue
> > below, we could even do it before a board resolution to show the Senate just
> > what the silent majority think.
> >
> > http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bsec1101.html
> >
> > >
> > > Livia Hortensiae sal.
> > >
> > > Apparently it's too much. Now even people I considered as friends have
> > > joined the mobbing action against you.
> > >
> > > I'm starting to think we should all leave Nova Roma, and leave it in the
> > > hands of Cato, Sulla, Octavius, etc., which is obviously the aim they are
> >
> > > trying to reach. But after they got what they want they would only have
> > each
> > > other to hurl insults at.
> > >
> > > Optime vale,
> > > Livia
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rory12001" <rory12001@>
> > > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:12 AM
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Report of the August session of the Collegium
> > > Pontificum PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Hortensia Scribae spd;
> > >
> > > is it asking too much to be able to post without this incessant barrage
> > > of insults? It isn't funny it creates an ML where others fear to post;
> > for
> > > fear next time it will be THEM.,,,
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ave Sulla,
> > > >
> > > > It seems to me that many stories by Stephen King have the Maine as
> > > > theater...
> > > >
> > > > So perhaps that explains this Maior's mind capture...
> > > >
> > > > Vale.
> > > >
> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > > a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > *Whack*
> > > > >
> > > > > *WHACK*
> > > > >
> > > > > Misery, gotta love how Stephen King has captured the essence of
> > Maior.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sulla
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > M. Hortensia Piscino Quiritibus spd;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Piscine; my friend from Hibernia, Lupus, wrote to me about Nova
> > Roma
> > > > > > "I
> > > > > > can't believe how bad it's got"....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I won't participate in the endless online name-calling, arguing
> > > > > > etc...It's
> > > > > > a waste, Nova Roma's ML is dominated by a samll group of
> > destructive
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > who have no desire to make or do anything positive on behalf of the
> >
> > > > > > Religio
> > > > > > Romana or living Roman culture.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > di me favet
> > > > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Salve Cato
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "Cato"
> > > > > > <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Salve Palladi;
> > > > > > > > > all the cultores including me & the majority of the CP have
> > the
> > > > > > highest regard for M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > CATO: another lie, and one that is on its face
> > self-contradictory.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > can name at least five cultores - including at least two pontiffs,
> > > > > > both
> > > > > > cultores - who do NOT hold Piscinus in any kind of regard at all
> > and
> > > > > > who, in
> > > > > > fact, hold him responsible for the very worst damage done to the
> > > > > > Respublica
> > > > > > over the past three or four years.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PISCINUS: You may want to reread this, and apologize for calling
> > > > > > Hortensia a liar. She said "the majority of the CP." Two out of how
> >
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > cultores who are in the Collegium Pontificum? Can't please
> > everyone.
> > > > > > And
> > > > > > cultores would not agree with you that Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus
> > is a
> > > > > > cultor Deorum at all when he advocates temple prostitution. What he
> > > > > > practices and advocates is some Hollywood perversion of the religio
> >
> > > > > > Romana.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And, yes, you do write a lot, but apparently you are a very poor
> > > > > > > reader,
> > > > > > for you find words that aren't written and miscomprehend those that
> >
> > > > > > are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vale
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > Pontifex Maximus
> > > > > > > Magister Collegii Augurum
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I think this is because your coup attempt failed. Nothing more and nothing
less. You did not get your way. Maine law stood in your way.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:08 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete;
> there is 20K of the cives money that is hoarded and never spent by the
> Board of Directors.
>
> I find this situation unethical as our nonprofit promises to advance Roman
> culture and religio. It doesn't.
>
> I think the time has come for everyone to vote on what they think of Nova
> Roma. And let the cives tell the Board what it wants. They exist to serve
> the membership not the other way around.
>
> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bch11sec0.html
> vale
> M.Hortensia Maior
>
> >
> > Wouldn't it be easier for you to just resign instead of trying to get the
> > corporation dissolved?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:34 AM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maior Liviae spd;
> > > I'm beginning to think you are right amica, we could re-form enjoy our
> > > friends, the gods, Romanitas without all the toxic fighting.
> > >
> > > The membership of NR could vote for dissolution: I checked the statue
> > > below, we could even do it before a board resolution to show the Senate
> just
> > > what the silent majority think.
> > >
> > >
> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bsec1101.html
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Livia Hortensiae sal.
> > > >
> > > > Apparently it's too much. Now even people I considered as friends
> have
> > > > joined the mobbing action against you.
> > > >
> > > > I'm starting to think we should all leave Nova Roma, and leave it in
> the
> > > > hands of Cato, Sulla, Octavius, etc., which is obviously the aim they
> are
> > >
> > > > trying to reach. But after they got what they want they would only
> have
> > > each
> > > > other to hurl insults at.
> > > >
> > > > Optime vale,
> > > > Livia
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "rory12001" <rory12001@>
> > > > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:12 AM
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Report of the August session of the
> Collegium
> > > > Pontificum PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > M. Hortensia Scribae spd;
> > > >
> > > > is it asking too much to be able to post without this incessant
> barrage
> > > > of insults? It isn't funny it creates an ML where others fear to
> post;
> > > for
> > > > fear next time it will be THEM.,,,
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ave Sulla,
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems to me that many stories by Stephen King have the Maine as
> > > > > theater...
> > > > >
> > > > > So perhaps that explains this Maior's mind capture...
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale.
> > > > >
> > > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > > > a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> > > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Whack*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *WHACK*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Misery, gotta love how Stephen King has captured the essence of
> > > Maior.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sulla
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > M. Hortensia Piscino Quiritibus spd;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Piscine; my friend from Hibernia, Lupus, wrote to me about Nova
> > > Roma
> > > > > > > "I
> > > > > > > can't believe how bad it's got"....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I won't participate in the endless online name-calling, arguing
> > > > > > > etc...It's
> > > > > > > a waste, Nova Roma's ML is dominated by a samll group of
> > > destructive
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > who have no desire to make or do anything positive on behalf of
> the
> > >
> > > > > > > Religio
> > > > > > > Romana or living Roman culture.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > di me favet
> > > > > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Salve Cato
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > "Cato"
> > > > > > > <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Salve Palladi;
> > > > > > > > > > all the cultores including me & the majority of the CP
> have
> > > the
> > > > > > > highest regard for M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > CATO: another lie, and one that is on its face
> > > self-contradictory.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > can name at least five cultores - including at least two
> pontiffs,
> > > > > > > both
> > > > > > > cultores - who do NOT hold Piscinus in any kind of regard at
> all
> > > and
> > > > > > > who, in
> > > > > > > fact, hold him responsible for the very worst damage done to
> the
> > > > > > > Respublica
> > > > > > > over the past three or four years.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PISCINUS: You may want to reread this, and apologize for
> calling
> > > > > > > Hortensia a liar. She said "the majority of the CP." Two out of
> how
> > >
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > cultores who are in the Collegium Pontificum? Can't please
> > > everyone.
> > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > cultores would not agree with you that Pontifex Q. Fabius
> Maximus
> > > is a
> > > > > > > cultor Deorum at all when he advocates temple prostitution.
> What he
> > > > > > > practices and advocates is some Hollywood perversion of the
> religio
> > >
> > > > > > > Romana.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And, yes, you do write a lot, but apparently you are a very
> poor
> > > > > > > > reader,
> > > > > > > for you find words that aren't written and miscomprehend those
> that
> > >
> > > > > > > are.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vale
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > > Pontifex Maximus
> > > > > > > > Magister Collegii Augurum
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cn. Livia Ocella M. Hortensiae Maiori S.P.D.,

Forgive my popping into this conversation, but, hypothetically, would the forming of another group similar to Nova Roma actually legally require the dissolution of Nova Roma (as it is now) itself?

Since you bring up the possibility of a vote for dissolution, regardless of how likely or unlikely that is I would like to understand as much as possible about the situation.

Optime vale,
Livia Ocella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Liviae spd;
> I'm beginning to think you are right amica, we could re-form enjoy our friends, the gods, Romanitas without all the toxic fighting.
>
> The membership of NR could vote for dissolution: I checked the statue below, we could even do it before a board resolution to show the Senate just what the silent majority think.
>
> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bsec1101.html
>
> >
> > Livia Hortensiae sal.
> >
> > Apparently it's too much. Now even people I considered as friends have
> > joined the mobbing action against you.
> >
> > I'm starting to think we should all leave Nova Roma, and leave it in the
> > hands of Cato, Sulla, Octavius, etc., which is obviously the aim they are
> > trying to reach. But after they got what they want they would only have each
> > other to hurl insults at.
> >
> > Optime vale,
> > Livia
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rory12001" <rory12001@>
> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:12 AM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Report of the August session of the Collegium
> > Pontificum PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE
> >
> >
> > M. Hortensia Scribae spd;
> >
> > is it asking too much to be able to post without this incessant barrage
> > of insults? It isn't funny it creates an ML where others fear to post; for
> > fear next time it will be THEM.,,,
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ave Sulla,
> > >
> > > It seems to me that many stories by Stephen King have the Maine as
> > > theater...
> > >
> > > So perhaps that explains this Maior's mind capture...
> > >
> > > Vale.
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *Whack*
> > > >
> > > > *WHACK*
> > > >
> > > > Misery, gotta love how Stephen King has captured the essence of Maior.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > M. Hortensia Piscino Quiritibus spd;
> > > > >
> > > > > Piscine; my friend from Hibernia, Lupus, wrote to me about Nova Roma
> > > > > "I
> > > > > can't believe how bad it's got"....
> > > > >
> > > > > I won't participate in the endless online name-calling, arguing
> > > > > etc...It's
> > > > > a waste, Nova Roma's ML is dominated by a samll group of destructive
> > > > > people
> > > > > who have no desire to make or do anything positive on behalf of the
> > > > > Religio
> > > > > Romana or living Roman culture.
> > > > >
> > > > > di me favet
> > > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salve Cato
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "Cato"
> > > > > <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Salve Palladi;
> > > > > > > > all the cultores including me & the majority of the CP have the
> > > > > highest regard for M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > CATO: another lie, and one that is on its face self-contradictory.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > can name at least five cultores - including at least two pontiffs,
> > > > > both
> > > > > cultores - who do NOT hold Piscinus in any kind of regard at all and
> > > > > who, in
> > > > > fact, hold him responsible for the very worst damage done to the
> > > > > Respublica
> > > > > over the past three or four years.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PISCINUS: You may want to reread this, and apologize for calling
> > > > > Hortensia a liar. She said "the majority of the CP." Two out of how
> > > > > many
> > > > > cultores who are in the Collegium Pontificum? Can't please everyone.
> > > > > And
> > > > > cultores would not agree with you that Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus is a
> > > > > cultor Deorum at all when he advocates temple prostitution. What he
> > > > > practices and advocates is some Hollywood perversion of the religio
> > > > > Romana.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And, yes, you do write a lot, but apparently you are a very poor
> > > > > > reader,
> > > > > for you find words that aren't written and miscomprehend those that
> > > > > are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale
> > > > > >
> > > > > > M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > Pontifex Maximus
> > > > > > Magister Collegii Augurum
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

M. Hortensia Cn. Liviae spd;

no problem, I'm happy to discuss this with you. Any Roman association can form whether in Europe or the U.S. without NR dissolving.

I'm concerned as I'm a member of the Board of directors of Nova Roma Corp, a registered 501(c)(3) nonprofit and we seem to do nothing but fight; not benefit our members. We take their money and do zero.

That's why I want to put it to all the members: hear what they want.
vale
Maior

>
> Cn. Livia Ocella M. Hortensiae Maiori S.P.D.,
>
> Forgive my popping into this conversation, but, hypothetically, would the forming of another group similar to Nova Roma actually legally require the dissolution of Nova Roma (as it is now) itself?
>
> Since you bring up the possibility of a vote for dissolution, regardless of how likely or unlikely that is I would like to understand as much as possible about the situation.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia Ocella
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Maior Liviae spd;
> > I'm beginning to think you are right amica, we could re-form enjoy our friends, the gods, Romanitas without all the toxic fighting.
> >
> > The membership of NR could vote for dissolution: I checked the statue below, we could even do it before a board resolution to show the Senate just what the silent majority think.
> >
> > http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bsec1101.html
> >
> > >
> > > Livia Hortensiae sal.
> > >
> > > Apparently it's too much. Now even people I considered as friends have
> > > joined the mobbing action against you.
> > >
> > > I'm starting to think we should all leave Nova Roma, and leave it in the
> > > hands of Cato, Sulla, Octavius, etc., which is obviously the aim they are
> > > trying to reach. But after they got what they want they would only have each
> > > other to hurl insults at.
> > >
> > > Optime vale,
> > > Livia
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rory12001" <rory12001@>
> > > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:12 AM
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Report of the August session of the Collegium
> > > Pontificum PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Hortensia Scribae spd;
> > >
> > > is it asking too much to be able to post without this incessant barrage
> > > of insults? It isn't funny it creates an ML where others fear to post; for
> > > fear next time it will be THEM.,,,
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ave Sulla,
> > > >
> > > > It seems to me that many stories by Stephen King have the Maine as
> > > > theater...
> > > >
> > > > So perhaps that explains this Maior's mind capture...
> > > >
> > > > Vale.
> > > >
> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > > a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > *Whack*
> > > > >
> > > > > *WHACK*
> > > > >
> > > > > Misery, gotta love how Stephen King has captured the essence of Maior.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sulla
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > M. Hortensia Piscino Quiritibus spd;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Piscine; my friend from Hibernia, Lupus, wrote to me about Nova Roma
> > > > > > "I
> > > > > > can't believe how bad it's got"....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I won't participate in the endless online name-calling, arguing
> > > > > > etc...It's
> > > > > > a waste, Nova Roma's ML is dominated by a samll group of destructive
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > who have no desire to make or do anything positive on behalf of the
> > > > > > Religio
> > > > > > Romana or living Roman culture.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > di me favet
> > > > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Salve Cato
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "Cato"
> > > > > > <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Salve Palladi;
> > > > > > > > > all the cultores including me & the majority of the CP have the
> > > > > > highest regard for M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > CATO: another lie, and one that is on its face self-contradictory.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > can name at least five cultores - including at least two pontiffs,
> > > > > > both
> > > > > > cultores - who do NOT hold Piscinus in any kind of regard at all and
> > > > > > who, in
> > > > > > fact, hold him responsible for the very worst damage done to the
> > > > > > Respublica
> > > > > > over the past three or four years.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PISCINUS: You may want to reread this, and apologize for calling
> > > > > > Hortensia a liar. She said "the majority of the CP." Two out of how
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > cultores who are in the Collegium Pontificum? Can't please everyone.
> > > > > > And
> > > > > > cultores would not agree with you that Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus is a
> > > > > > cultor Deorum at all when he advocates temple prostitution. What he
> > > > > > practices and advocates is some Hollywood perversion of the religio
> > > > > > Romana.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And, yes, you do write a lot, but apparently you are a very poor
> > > > > > > reader,
> > > > > > for you find words that aren't written and miscomprehend those that
> > > > > > are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vale
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > Pontifex Maximus
> > > > > > > Magister Collegii Augurum
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Aeternia Liviae Ocellae M. Hortensiae Maiori S.P.D.

Forming another group similar to NR, would not mean NR dissolves... There
was a group formed some years ago, known as the SVR which had ex-citizens of
Nova Roma, actually founded by ex-NR members actually..

It all happened after this massive resignation on the Ides of March years
ago, many left including our now Pontifex Maximus Pro Tempore..

Apologies for jumping in as wel, this is me jumping back out.

Vale,
Aeternia

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Gnaea Livia Ocella <lbciddio@...>wrote:

>
>
> Cn. Livia Ocella M. Hortensiae Maiori S.P.D.,
>
> Forgive my popping into this conversation, but, hypothetically, would the
> forming of another group similar to Nova Roma actually legally require the
> dissolution of Nova Roma (as it is now) itself?
>
> Since you bring up the possibility of a vote for dissolution, regardless of
> how likely or unlikely that is I would like to understand as much as
> possible about the situation.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia Ocella
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
> >
> > Maior Liviae spd;
> > I'm beginning to think you are right amica, we could re-form enjoy our
> friends, the gods, Romanitas without all the toxic fighting.
> >
> > The membership of NR could vote for dissolution: I checked the statue
> below, we could even do it before a board resolution to show the Senate just
> what the silent majority think.
> >
> >
> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bsec1101.html
> >
> > >
> > > Livia Hortensiae sal.
> > >
> > > Apparently it's too much. Now even people I considered as friends have
> > > joined the mobbing action against you.
> > >
> > > I'm starting to think we should all leave Nova Roma, and leave it in
> the
> > > hands of Cato, Sulla, Octavius, etc., which is obviously the aim they
> are
> > > trying to reach. But after they got what they want they would only have
> each
> > > other to hurl insults at.
> > >
> > > Optime vale,
> > > Livia
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rory12001" <rory12001@>
> > > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:12 AM
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Report of the August session of the Collegium
> > > Pontificum PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Hortensia Scribae spd;
> > >
> > > is it asking too much to be able to post without this incessant barrage
>
> > > of insults? It isn't funny it creates an ML where others fear to post;
> for
> > > fear next time it will be THEM.,,,
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ave Sulla,
> > > >
> > > > It seems to me that many stories by Stephen King have the Maine as
> > > > theater...
> > > >
> > > > So perhaps that explains this Maior's mind capture...
> > > >
> > > > Vale.
> > > >
> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > > a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > *Whack*
> > > > >
> > > > > *WHACK*
> > > > >
> > > > > Misery, gotta love how Stephen King has captured the essence of
> Maior.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sulla
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > M. Hortensia Piscino Quiritibus spd;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Piscine; my friend from Hibernia, Lupus, wrote to me about Nova
> Roma
> > > > > > "I
> > > > > > can't believe how bad it's got"....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I won't participate in the endless online name-calling, arguing
> > > > > > etc...It's
> > > > > > a waste, Nova Roma's ML is dominated by a samll group of
> destructive
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > who have no desire to make or do anything positive on behalf of
> the
> > > > > > Religio
> > > > > > Romana or living Roman culture.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > di me favet
> > > > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Salve Cato
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "Cato"
> > > > > > <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Salve Palladi;
> > > > > > > > > all the cultores including me & the majority of the CP have
> the
> > > > > > highest regard for M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > CATO: another lie, and one that is on its face
> self-contradictory.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > can name at least five cultores - including at least two
> pontiffs,
> > > > > > both
> > > > > > cultores - who do NOT hold Piscinus in any kind of regard at all
> and
> > > > > > who, in
> > > > > > fact, hold him responsible for the very worst damage done to the
> > > > > > Respublica
> > > > > > over the past three or four years.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PISCINUS: You may want to reread this, and apologize for
> calling
> > > > > > Hortensia a liar. She said "the majority of the CP." Two out of
> how
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > cultores who are in the Collegium Pontificum? Can't please
> everyone.
> > > > > > And
> > > > > > cultores would not agree with you that Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus
> is a
> > > > > > cultor Deorum at all when he advocates temple prostitution. What
> he
> > > > > > practices and advocates is some Hollywood perversion of the
> religio
> > > > > > Romana.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And, yes, you do write a lot, but apparently you are a very
> poor
> > > > > > > reader,
> > > > > > for you find words that aren't written and miscomprehend those
> that
> > > > > > are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vale
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > Pontifex Maximus
> > > > > > > Magister Collegii Augurum
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Does that mean you are NOT going to the Conventus? Since you are trying to
advocate for a dissolution of NR?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:38 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> M. Hortensia Cn. Liviae spd;
>
> no problem, I'm happy to discuss this with you. Any Roman association can
> form whether in Europe or the U.S. without NR dissolving.
>
> I'm concerned as I'm a member of the Board of directors of Nova Roma Corp,
> a registered 501(c)(3) nonprofit and we seem to do nothing but fight; not
> benefit our members. We take their money and do zero.
>
> That's why I want to put it to all the members: hear what they want.
> vale
> Maior
>
>
> >
> > Cn. Livia Ocella M. Hortensiae Maiori S.P.D.,
> >
> > Forgive my popping into this conversation, but, hypothetically, would the
> forming of another group similar to Nova Roma actually legally require the
> dissolution of Nova Roma (as it is now) itself?
> >
> > Since you bring up the possibility of a vote for dissolution, regardless
> of how likely or unlikely that is I would like to understand as much as
> possible about the situation.
> >
> > Optime vale,
> > Livia Ocella
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maior Liviae spd;
> > > I'm beginning to think you are right amica, we could re-form enjoy our
> friends, the gods, Romanitas without all the toxic fighting.
> > >
> > > The membership of NR could vote for dissolution: I checked the statue
> below, we could even do it before a board resolution to show the Senate just
> what the silent majority think.
> > >
> > >
> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bsec1101.html
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Livia Hortensiae sal.
> > > >
> > > > Apparently it's too much. Now even people I considered as friends
> have
> > > > joined the mobbing action against you.
> > > >
> > > > I'm starting to think we should all leave Nova Roma, and leave it in
> the
> > > > hands of Cato, Sulla, Octavius, etc., which is obviously the aim they
> are
> > > > trying to reach. But after they got what they want they would only
> have each
> > > > other to hurl insults at.
> > > >
> > > > Optime vale,
> > > > Livia
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "rory12001" <rory12001@>
> > > > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:12 AM
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Report of the August session of the
> Collegium
> > > > Pontificum PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > M. Hortensia Scribae spd;
> > > >
> > > > is it asking too much to be able to post without this incessant
> barrage
> > > > of insults? It isn't funny it creates an ML where others fear to
> post; for
> > > > fear next time it will be THEM.,,,
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ave Sulla,
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems to me that many stories by Stephen King have the Maine as
> > > > > theater...
> > > > >
> > > > > So perhaps that explains this Maior's mind capture...
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale.
> > > > >
> > > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > > > a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Whack*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *WHACK*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Misery, gotta love how Stephen King has captured the essence of
> Maior.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sulla
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > M. Hortensia Piscino Quiritibus spd;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Piscine; my friend from Hibernia, Lupus, wrote to me about Nova
> Roma
> > > > > > > "I
> > > > > > > can't believe how bad it's got"....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I won't participate in the endless online name-calling, arguing
>
> > > > > > > etc...It's
> > > > > > > a waste, Nova Roma's ML is dominated by a samll group of
> destructive
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > who have no desire to make or do anything positive on behalf of
> the
> > > > > > > Religio
> > > > > > > Romana or living Roman culture.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > di me favet
> > > > > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Salve Cato
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > "Cato"
> > > > > > > <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Salve Palladi;
> > > > > > > > > > all the cultores including me & the majority of the CP
> have the
> > > > > > > highest regard for M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > CATO: another lie, and one that is on its face
> self-contradictory.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > can name at least five cultores - including at least two
> pontiffs,
> > > > > > > both
> > > > > > > cultores - who do NOT hold Piscinus in any kind of regard at
> all and
> > > > > > > who, in
> > > > > > > fact, hold him responsible for the very worst damage done to
> the
> > > > > > > Respublica
> > > > > > > over the past three or four years.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PISCINUS: You may want to reread this, and apologize for
> calling
> > > > > > > Hortensia a liar. She said "the majority of the CP." Two out of
> how
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > cultores who are in the Collegium Pontificum? Can't please
> everyone.
> > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > cultores would not agree with you that Pontifex Q. Fabius
> Maximus is a
> > > > > > > cultor Deorum at all when he advocates temple prostitution.
> What he
> > > > > > > practices and advocates is some Hollywood perversion of the
> religio
> > > > > > > Romana.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And, yes, you do write a lot, but apparently you are a very
> poor
> > > > > > > > reader,
> > > > > > > for you find words that aren't written and miscomprehend those
> that
> > > > > > > are.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vale
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > > Pontifex Maximus
> > > > > > > > Magister Collegii Augurum
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cn. Livia Ocella M. Hortensiae Maiori S.P.D.,

Thank you for your answer.

Vale,
Ocella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Cn. Liviae spd;
>
> no problem, I'm happy to discuss this with you. Any Roman association can form whether in Europe or the U.S. without NR dissolving.
>
> I'm concerned as I'm a member of the Board of directors of Nova Roma Corp, a registered 501(c)(3) nonprofit and we seem to do nothing but fight; not benefit our members. We take their money and do zero.
>
> That's why I want to put it to all the members: hear what they want.
> vale
> Maior
>
> >
> > Cn. Livia Ocella M. Hortensiae Maiori S.P.D.,
> >
> > Forgive my popping into this conversation, but, hypothetically, would the forming of another group similar to Nova Roma actually legally require the dissolution of Nova Roma (as it is now) itself?
> >
> > Since you bring up the possibility of a vote for dissolution, regardless of how likely or unlikely that is I would like to understand as much as possible about the situation.
> >
> > Optime vale,
> > Livia Ocella
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maior Liviae spd;
> > > I'm beginning to think you are right amica, we could re-form enjoy our friends, the gods, Romanitas without all the toxic fighting.
> > >
> > > The membership of NR could vote for dissolution: I checked the statue below, we could even do it before a board resolution to show the Senate just what the silent majority think.
> > >
> > > http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bsec1101.html
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Livia Hortensiae sal.
> > > >
> > > > Apparently it's too much. Now even people I considered as friends have
> > > > joined the mobbing action against you.
> > > >
> > > > I'm starting to think we should all leave Nova Roma, and leave it in the
> > > > hands of Cato, Sulla, Octavius, etc., which is obviously the aim they are
> > > > trying to reach. But after they got what they want they would only have each
> > > > other to hurl insults at.
> > > >
> > > > Optime vale,
> > > > Livia
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "rory12001" <rory12001@>
> > > > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:12 AM
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Report of the August session of the Collegium
> > > > Pontificum PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > M. Hortensia Scribae spd;
> > > >
> > > > is it asking too much to be able to post without this incessant barrage
> > > > of insults? It isn't funny it creates an ML where others fear to post; for
> > > > fear next time it will be THEM.,,,
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ave Sulla,
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems to me that many stories by Stephen King have the Maine as
> > > > > theater...
> > > > >
> > > > > So perhaps that explains this Maior's mind capture...
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale.
> > > > >
> > > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > > > a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Whack*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *WHACK*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Misery, gotta love how Stephen King has captured the essence of Maior.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sulla
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > M. Hortensia Piscino Quiritibus spd;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Piscine; my friend from Hibernia, Lupus, wrote to me about Nova Roma
> > > > > > > "I
> > > > > > > can't believe how bad it's got"....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I won't participate in the endless online name-calling, arguing
> > > > > > > etc...It's
> > > > > > > a waste, Nova Roma's ML is dominated by a samll group of destructive
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > who have no desire to make or do anything positive on behalf of the
> > > > > > > Religio
> > > > > > > Romana or living Roman culture.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > di me favet
> > > > > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Salve Cato
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > "Cato"
> > > > > > > <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Salve Palladi;
> > > > > > > > > > all the cultores including me & the majority of the CP have the
> > > > > > > highest regard for M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > CATO: another lie, and one that is on its face self-contradictory.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > can name at least five cultores - including at least two pontiffs,
> > > > > > > both
> > > > > > > cultores - who do NOT hold Piscinus in any kind of regard at all and
> > > > > > > who, in
> > > > > > > fact, hold him responsible for the very worst damage done to the
> > > > > > > Respublica
> > > > > > > over the past three or four years.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PISCINUS: You may want to reread this, and apologize for calling
> > > > > > > Hortensia a liar. She said "the majority of the CP." Two out of how
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > cultores who are in the Collegium Pontificum? Can't please everyone.
> > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > cultores would not agree with you that Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus is a
> > > > > > > cultor Deorum at all when he advocates temple prostitution. What he
> > > > > > > practices and advocates is some Hollywood perversion of the religio
> > > > > > > Romana.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And, yes, you do write a lot, but apparently you are a very poor
> > > > > > > > reader,
> > > > > > > for you find words that aren't written and miscomprehend those that
> > > > > > > are.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vale
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > > Pontifex Maximus
> > > > > > > > Magister Collegii Augurum
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

there is 20K of the cives money that is hoarded and never spent by the Board of Directors.





Of course its not spent, Senator. We need to buy 108 acres of land, probably on an island, and we need to pay construction costs for our buildings. If that's called hording, so be it. I call it financial management.
As for the calls of dissolution. let's face it. Without the corporation and the Constitution, NR would have ceased to exist a long time ago. That money is not your bank account, Senator. I pay my dues for the reason which I started the dues concept under my and Minucius’ Consulship. To acquire and maintain our stated goal of land.

Q. Fabius Maximus



-----Original Message-----
From: rory12001 <rory12001@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 12:08 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: DISSOLUTION? [ was PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE]




Salvete;
there is 20K of the cives money that is hoarded and never spent by the Board of Directors.

I find this situation unethical as our nonprofit promises to advance Roman culture and religio. It doesn't.

I think the time has come for everyone to vote on what they think of Nova Roma. And let the cives tell the Board what it wants. They exist to serve the membership not the other way around.

http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bch11sec0.html
vale
M.Hortensia Maior

>
> Wouldn't it be easier for you to just resign instead of trying to get the
> corporation dissolved?
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:34 AM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Maior Liviae spd;
> > I'm beginning to think you are right amica, we could re-form enjoy our
> > friends, the gods, Romanitas without all the toxic fighting.
> >
> > The membership of NR could vote for dissolution: I checked the statue
> > below, we could even do it before a board resolution to show the Senate just
> > what the silent majority think.
> >
> > http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bsec1101.html
> >
> > >
> > > Livia Hortensiae sal.
> > >
> > > Apparently it's too much. Now even people I considered as friends have
> > > joined the mobbing action against you.
> > >
> > > I'm starting to think we should all leave Nova Roma, and leave it in the
> > > hands of Cato, Sulla, Octavius, etc., which is obviously the aim they are
> >
> > > trying to reach. But after they got what they want they would only have
> > each
> > > other to hurl insults at.
> > >
> > > Optime vale,
> > > Livia
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rory12001" <rory12001@>
> > > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:12 AM
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Report of the August session of the Collegium
> > > Pontificum PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Hortensia Scribae spd;
> > >
> > > is it asking too much to be able to post without this incessant barrage
> > > of insults? It isn't funny it creates an ML where others fear to post;
> > for
> > > fear next time it will be THEM.,,,
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ave Sulla,
> > > >
> > > > It seems to me that many stories by Stephen King have the Maine as
> > > > theater...
> > > >
> > > > So perhaps that explains this Maior's mind capture...
> > > >
> > > > Vale.
> > > >
> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > > a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > *Whack*
> > > > >
> > > > > *WHACK*
> > > > >
> > > > > Misery, gotta love how Stephen King has captured the essence of
> > Maior.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sulla
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > M. Hortensia Piscino Quiritibus spd;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Piscine; my friend from Hibernia, Lupus, wrote to me about Nova
> > Roma
> > > > > > "I
> > > > > > can't believe how bad it's got"....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I won't participate in the endless online name-calling, arguing
> > > > > > etc...It's
> > > > > > a waste, Nova Roma's ML is dominated by a samll group of
> > destructive
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > who have no desire to make or do anything positive on behalf of the
> >
> > > > > > Religio
> > > > > > Romana or living Roman culture.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > di me favet
> > > > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Salve Cato
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "Cato"
> > > > > > <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Salve Palladi;
> > > > > > > > > all the cultores including me & the majority of the CP have
> > the
> > > > > > highest regard for M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > CATO: another lie, and one that is on its face
> > self-contradictory.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > can name at least five cultores - including at least two pontiffs,
> > > > > > both
> > > > > > cultores - who do NOT hold Piscinus in any kind of regard at all
> > and
> > > > > > who, in
> > > > > > fact, hold him responsible for the very worst damage done to the
> > > > > > Respublica
> > > > > > over the past three or four years.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PISCINUS: You may want to reread this, and apologize for calling
> > > > > > Hortensia a liar. She said "the majority of the CP." Two out of how
> >
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > cultores who are in the Collegium Pontificum? Can't please
> > everyone.
> > > > > > And
> > > > > > cultores would not agree with you that Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus
> > is a
> > > > > > cultor Deorum at all when he advocates temple prostitution. What he
> > > > > > practices and advocates is some Hollywood perversion of the religio
> >
> > > > > > Romana.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And, yes, you do write a lot, but apparently you are a very poor
> > > > > > > reader,
> > > > > > for you find words that aren't written and miscomprehend those that
> >
> > > > > > are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vale
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > Pontifex Maximus
> > > > > > > Magister Collegii Augurum
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Liviae Ocellae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Cn. Livia Ocella L. Iuliae Aquilae omnibus SPD,
>
> This sounds like a wonderful event! Unfortunately I cannot attend for a couple
> of reasons (busy time of the school year, as well as it being Canadian
> Thanksgiving weekend),
>
> ATS: And the US Columbus Day weekend, which means that schools, banks,
> and government offices are closed in both countries. Ocella, if you could get
> yourself here (i.e., about 90 miles south of your location), I could take you
> the rest of the way as I will be driving (if I can attend). If interested,
> you could write to me privately.
>
>
> but how frequent are events like this held? I would love to attend a conventus
> in future if possible, but I worry that I am passing up a rare chance in this
> case.
>
> ATS: We had an aborted attempt at a North American conventus a few years
> back, located more or less centrally in the US, but the onsite person had
> apparently never organized anything and the event never got off the ground.
> Last year we had a small one in Nashville. Europe supposedly has one every
> year, but it has been several years since they actually did have one; the last
> two were cancelled. This one will be at Rota¹s Roman bed and breakfast, with
> Roman food. That is why the site was chosen. It would be worth your while to
> pass up a day or so of school, and even Canadian Thanksgiving to attend this.
> In any case, you would not HAVE to be present on Monday, the actual Canadian
> Thanksgiving...you could leave earlier, though I would stay.
>
> Optime vale et valete,
> Ocella
>
>
> Optime vale et valete.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Salve, et salvete,
>> >
>> > To all Novi Romani, all without exception, I ask you to please plan to come
>> to this event; we must come together and get to know each other away from the
>> ML.
>> > We must put our heads together in meetings and enjoyable activities,
>> planned and impromptu, as Romans and work towards pulling our Respublica from
>> the depths in which She now wallows.
>> >
>> > We must put all animosity aside, or at least apply strong virtues and work
>> through it.
>> > I am not expecting us to hold hands around the campfire and sing kumbaya -
>> although with enough Mulsum this could happen but I warn you, should this
>> occur, I *will* document it with photos:)
>> > I do expect as adults with a common interest we will find that commonality
>> that will bind us together as Romans and we will come to a place where we can
>> all move forward towards a Res publica we can all be proud to be a part of.
>> >
>> > I cannot think of one Nova Roman citizen who I would not want to meet and
>> engage in a discussion with.
>> > Certainly there are many I could learn a great deal from, as well as those
>> who I may form a close bond of friendship with.
>> >
>> > It's time citizens, esp. those citizens in North America - I am asking this
>> of you Canada and Mexico as well - make your travel plans to join us in South
>> Carolina in six weeks.
>> > More info here, including a link to the Conventus yahoo ML:
>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/79658
>> >
>> > I also would like to take this moment to extend to those Novi Romani
>> outside of North America to come and join us if you can. Airfares will be
>> less expensive at that time of the year and there are many deals going on
>> now. Free camping onsite is available and select members of the Provincia
>> Cohors and Aedilician Cohors will assist you with lodging should you not wish
>> to camp.
>> >
>> > The Conventus promises to be a wonderful event even though Rota and I may
>> be so exhausted by the time of its commencement that we may have to be
>> carried about on lecticae:,)
>> >
>> > Thank you Maior for the kind words.
>> >
>> > Thank you all Novi Romani for taking a few moments to read this post.
>> >
>> > Vale optime,
>> >
>> > L. Iulia Aquila
>> > Ædilis Curulis Novæ Romæ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
>> "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Euge! Julia;
>>> > > this is what it's all about. You and Rota are fantastic I've bought
>>> my tickets and I'll be there:) See you all fellow Novi Romani!
>>> > > optime valete
>>> > > Maior
>>> > >
>> >
>
>
>

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On 08/25/2010 02:38 PM, rory12001 wrote:

> M. Hortensia Cn. Liviae spd;
>
> no problem, I'm happy to discuss this with you. Any Roman association can form whether in Europe or the U.S. without NR dissolving.
>
> I'm concerned as I'm a member of the Board of directors of Nova Roma Corp, a registered 501(c)(3) nonprofit and we seem to do nothing but fight; not benefit our members. We take their money and do zero.
>
> That's why I want to put it to all the members: hear what they want.

I'm not a member anymore, but think this is a fine idea.

Face it - there will be *no* *peace* while Piscinus remains.

And once he's ousted, his supporters will seek revenge.

So, why not call it a day, and split it down the middle?

Make two groups.

Nova Roma Classic - for me and Cassius and Sulla and Vedius and Cincinnatus.

Nova Roma II - for you and Piscinus and Modianus and the Leges Saliciae.

(org names are mere examples)

Split the treasury down the middle.

Senators must declare allegiance to one or the other; they may not remain on the
senate of both.

The web site can be cloned, easily enough. Once people have declared for one
side or the other, mark them as 'resigned' in the other group's censor tools
(the four censors will need to communicate for this).

Wikis were made to be forked. Both wikis start out with the same content, and
will evolve separately from that point.

The trademark will either be shared by mutual agreement, or one group will buy
it from the other with their share of the $20K.

One group might retain the yellow-on-red colour scheme; the other might use the
metallic-gold-on-blue alternative, or some other.

novaroma.org would be replaced with a page that advertises *both* groups and
lets a newcomer pick between them.

Partition it. That's the only way.

Vale, Octavius.

>
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Petronio Dextro quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> C. Petronius L. Juliae et omnibus s.p.d.,
>
>> > All are Invited to Attend the
>> > II CONVENTVS NOVAE ROMAE NORTH AMERICA
>
> I promiss that I will do all I can to be with you all at this Conventus.
>
> ATS: Gratissimus venies et venias! Spero te (et me) adfuturos participes
> esse.
>
> Unfortunately my passport was valid untill 2002. I did not need to update it
> because of the Sheingen Zone and licence to travel within Europe Union only
> with my French Identity card.
>
> ATS: LOL! Ut didicimus in primo anno linguae Gallicae, Voici votre carte
> d¹identité...
>
> But it is more difficult now to me to go in US that it was for La Fayette.
>
> I have to update my passport and obtain Visa. I will begin the procees to
> obtain these papers since tomorrow Thursday August 25th, hoping that I will
> obtain all those papers for October 8th in order to be with you all at this
> North America Conventus.
>
> ATS: Optimé! Speremus ex animo te participem facturum! I don¹t think
> you would need a visa for the US; we more or less trust your countrymen. The
> passport, however, is a necessity...
>
> Optime valete.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Et tu, et vos!

>
>
>

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Cn. Livia Ocella A. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D.,

Ah, your offer is tempting. I will have to think on it very deeply, and also consult my parents - I still live under their roof, and, as my pater says, his roof = his rules. He has already decided that he will not stop me from taking off to Rome next February (a trip I planned without his knowledge - he was not impressed), but it will take some convincing in this case, especially as he and my mother are both very mistrustful of anything involving people one might meet on the Internet (needlessly mistrustful, of course, but the evening news with all its shock tactics has proven effective on them).

Optime vale,
Livia Ocella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Liviae Ocellae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> >
> > Cn. Livia Ocella L. Iuliae Aquilae omnibus SPD,
> >
> > This sounds like a wonderful event! Unfortunately I cannot attend for a couple
> > of reasons (busy time of the school year, as well as it being Canadian
> > Thanksgiving weekend),
> >
> > ATS: And the US Columbus Day weekend, which means that schools, banks,
> > and government offices are closed in both countries. Ocella, if you could get
> > yourself here (i.e., about 90 miles south of your location), I could take you
> > the rest of the way as I will be driving (if I can attend). If interested,
> > you could write to me privately.
> >
> >
> > but how frequent are events like this held? I would love to attend a conventus
> > in future if possible, but I worry that I am passing up a rare chance in this
> > case.
> >
> > ATS: We had an aborted attempt at a North American conventus a few years
> > back, located more or less centrally in the US, but the onsite person had
> > apparently never organized anything and the event never got off the ground.
> > Last year we had a small one in Nashville. Europe supposedly has one every
> > year, but it has been several years since they actually did have one; the last
> > two were cancelled. This one will be at Rota¹s Roman bed and breakfast, with
> > Roman food. That is why the site was chosen. It would be worth your while to
> > pass up a day or so of school, and even Canadian Thanksgiving to attend this.
> > In any case, you would not HAVE to be present on Monday, the actual Canadian
> > Thanksgiving...you could leave earlier, though I would stay.
> >
> > Optime vale et valete,
> > Ocella
> >
> >
> > Optime vale et valete.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Salve, et salvete,
> >> >
> >> > To all Novi Romani, all without exception, I ask you to please plan to come
> >> to this event; we must come together and get to know each other away from the
> >> ML.
> >> > We must put our heads together in meetings and enjoyable activities,
> >> planned and impromptu, as Romans and work towards pulling our Respublica from
> >> the depths in which She now wallows.
> >> >
> >> > We must put all animosity aside, or at least apply strong virtues and work
> >> through it.
> >> > I am not expecting us to hold hands around the campfire and sing kumbaya -
> >> although with enough Mulsum this could happen but I warn you, should this
> >> occur, I *will* document it with photos:)
> >> > I do expect as adults with a common interest we will find that commonality
> >> that will bind us together as Romans and we will come to a place where we can
> >> all move forward towards a Res publica we can all be proud to be a part of.
> >> >
> >> > I cannot think of one Nova Roman citizen who I would not want to meet and
> >> engage in a discussion with.
> >> > Certainly there are many I could learn a great deal from, as well as those
> >> who I may form a close bond of friendship with.
> >> >
> >> > It's time citizens, esp. those citizens in North America - I am asking this
> >> of you Canada and Mexico as well - make your travel plans to join us in South
> >> Carolina in six weeks.
> >> > More info here, including a link to the Conventus yahoo ML:
> >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/79658
> >> >
> >> > I also would like to take this moment to extend to those Novi Romani
> >> outside of North America to come and join us if you can. Airfares will be
> >> less expensive at that time of the year and there are many deals going on
> >> now. Free camping onsite is available and select members of the Provincia
> >> Cohors and Aedilician Cohors will assist you with lodging should you not wish
> >> to camp.
> >> >
> >> > The Conventus promises to be a wonderful event even though Rota and I may
> >> be so exhausted by the time of its commencement that we may have to be
> >> carried about on lecticae:,)
> >> >
> >> > Thank you Maior for the kind words.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you all Novi Romani for taking a few moments to read this post.
> >> >
> >> > Vale optime,
> >> >
> >> > L. Iulia Aquila
> >> > Ædilis Curulis Novæ Romæ
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> >> "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Euge! Julia;
> >>> > > this is what it's all about. You and Rota are fantastic I've bought
> >>> my tickets and I'll be there:) See you all fellow Novi Romani!
> >>> > > optime valete
> >>> > > Maior
> >>> > >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve Gracche;
I agree with you. I think that is an eminently fair and just solution.
Maior

>
> So, why not call it a day, and split it down the middle?
>
> Make two groups.
>
> Nova Roma Classic - for me and Cassius and Sulla and Vedius and Cincinnatus.
>
> Nova Roma II - for you and Piscinus and Modianus and the Leges Saliciae.
>
> (org names are mere examples)
>
> Split the treasury down the middle.
>
> Senators must declare allegiance to one or the other; they may not remain on the
> senate of both.
>
> The web site can be cloned, easily enough. Once people have declared for one
> side or the other, mark them as 'resigned' in the other group's censor tools
> (the four censors will need to communicate for this).
>
> Wikis were made to be forked. Both wikis start out with the same content, and
> will evolve separately from that point.
>
> The trademark will either be shared by mutual agreement, or one group will buy
> it from the other with their share of the $20K.
>
> One group might retain the yellow-on-red colour scheme; the other might use the
> metallic-gold-on-blue alternative, or some other.
>
> novaroma.org would be replaced with a page that advertises *both* groups and
> lets a newcomer pick between them.
>
> Partition it. That's the only way.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>

I suspect Nova roma never gets any real land.


I know of heathen group who've gotten land and built temples in less time than Nova Roma has existed. Nova Roma has exponentially more members, and more money, yet hasn't any land anywhere. If you haven't done it by now, it's doubtful you'll ever do it.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:
>
>
>
> there is 20K of the cives money that is hoarded and never spent by the Board of Directors.
>
>
>
>
>
> Of course its not spent, Senator. We need to buy 108 acres of land, probably on an island, and we need to pay construction costs for our buildings. If that's called hording, so be it. I call it financial management.
> As for the calls of dissolution. let's face it. Without the corporation and the Constitution, NR would have ceased to exist a long time ago. That money is not your bank account, Senator. I pay my dues for the reason which I started the dues concept under my and Minucius’ Consulship. To acquire and maintain our stated goal of land.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rory12001 <rory12001@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 12:08 pm
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: DISSOLUTION? [ was PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE]
>
>
>
>
> Salvete;
> there is 20K of the cives money that is hoarded and never spent by the Board of Directors.
>
> I find this situation unethical as our nonprofit promises to advance Roman culture and religio. It doesn't.
>
> I think the time has come for everyone to vote on what they think of Nova Roma. And let the cives tell the Board what it wants. They exist to serve the membership not the other way around.
>
> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bch11sec0.html
> vale
> M.Hortensia Maior
>
> >
> > Wouldn't it be easier for you to just resign instead of trying to get the
> > corporation dissolved?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:34 AM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maior Liviae spd;
> > > I'm beginning to think you are right amica, we could re-form enjoy our
> > > friends, the gods, Romanitas without all the toxic fighting.
> > >
> > > The membership of NR could vote for dissolution: I checked the statue
> > > below, we could even do it before a board resolution to show the Senate just
> > > what the silent majority think.
> > >
> > > http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/13-b/title13-Bsec1101.html
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Livia Hortensiae sal.
> > > >
> > > > Apparently it's too much. Now even people I considered as friends have
> > > > joined the mobbing action against you.
> > > >
> > > > I'm starting to think we should all leave Nova Roma, and leave it in the
> > > > hands of Cato, Sulla, Octavius, etc., which is obviously the aim they are
> > >
> > > > trying to reach. But after they got what they want they would only have
> > > each
> > > > other to hurl insults at.
> > > >
> > > > Optime vale,
> > > > Livia
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "rory12001" <rory12001@>
> > > > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:12 AM
> > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Report of the August session of the Collegium
> > > > Pontificum PRAETORIAL SCRIBAE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > M. Hortensia Scribae spd;
> > > >
> > > > is it asking too much to be able to post without this incessant barrage
> > > > of insults? It isn't funny it creates an ML where others fear to post;
> > > for
> > > > fear next time it will be THEM.,,,
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ave Sulla,
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems to me that many stories by Stephen King have the Maine as
> > > > > theater...
> > > > >
> > > > > So perhaps that explains this Maior's mind capture...
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale.
> > > > >
> > > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > > > a. d. VIII Kalendas Septembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> > > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Whack*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *WHACK*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Misery, gotta love how Stephen King has captured the essence of
> > > Maior.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sulla
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > M. Hortensia Piscino Quiritibus spd;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Piscine; my friend from Hibernia, Lupus, wrote to me about Nova
> > > Roma
> > > > > > > "I
> > > > > > > can't believe how bad it's got"....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I won't participate in the endless online name-calling, arguing
> > > > > > > etc...It's
> > > > > > > a waste, Nova Roma's ML is dominated by a samll group of
> > > destructive
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > who have no desire to make or do anything positive on behalf of the
> > >
> > > > > > > Religio
> > > > > > > Romana or living Roman culture.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > di me favet
> > > > > > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Salve Cato
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > "Cato"
> > > > > > > <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cato Maiori sal.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "rory12001" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Salve Palladi;
> > > > > > > > > > all the cultores including me & the majority of the CP have
> > > the
> > > > > > > highest regard for M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > CATO: another lie, and one that is on its face
> > > self-contradictory.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > can name at least five cultores - including at least two pontiffs,
> > > > > > > both
> > > > > > > cultores - who do NOT hold Piscinus in any kind of regard at all
> > > and
> > > > > > > who, in
> > > > > > > fact, hold him responsible for the very worst damage done to the
> > > > > > > Respublica
> > > > > > > over the past three or four years.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PISCINUS: You may want to reread this, and apologize for calling
> > > > > > > Hortensia a liar. She said "the majority of the CP." Two out of how
> > >
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > cultores who are in the Collegium Pontificum? Can't please
> > > everyone.
> > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > cultores would not agree with you that Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus
> > > is a
> > > > > > > cultor Deorum at all when he advocates temple prostitution. What he
> > > > > > > practices and advocates is some Hollywood perversion of the religio
> > >
> > > > > > > Romana.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And, yes, you do write a lot, but apparently you are a very poor
> > > > > > > > reader,
> > > > > > > for you find words that aren't written and miscomprehend those that
> > >
> > > > > > > are.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vale
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > M. Moravius Piscinus
> > > > > > > > Pontifex Maximus
> > > > > > > > Magister Collegii Augurum
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

This is a good idea.

And not everything has to be separate; since there is a natural rivalry, the ludi games would be a lot more interesting.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Octavius Gracchus" <octaviusgracchus@...> wrote:
>
> On 08/25/2010 02:38 PM, rory12001 wrote:
> > M. Hortensia Cn. Liviae spd;
> >
> > no problem, I'm happy to discuss this with you. Any Roman association can form whether in Europe or the U.S. without NR dissolving.
> >
> > I'm concerned as I'm a member of the Board of directors of Nova Roma Corp, a registered 501(c)(3) nonprofit and we seem to do nothing but fight; not benefit our members. We take their money and do zero.
> >
> > That's why I want to put it to all the members: hear what they want.
>
> I'm not a member anymore, but think this is a fine idea.
>
> Face it - there will be *no* *peace* while Piscinus remains.
>
> And once he's ousted, his supporters will seek revenge.
>
> So, why not call it a day, and split it down the middle?
>
> Make two groups.
>
> Nova Roma Classic - for me and Cassius and Sulla and Vedius and Cincinnatus.
>
> Nova Roma II - for you and Piscinus and Modianus and the Leges Saliciae.
>
> (org names are mere examples)
>
> Split the treasury down the middle.
>
> Senators must declare allegiance to one or the other; they may not remain on the
> senate of both.
>
> The web site can be cloned, easily enough. Once people have declared for one
> side or the other, mark them as 'resigned' in the other group's censor tools
> (the four censors will need to communicate for this).
>
> Wikis were made to be forked. Both wikis start out with the same content, and
> will evolve separately from that point.
>
> The trademark will either be shared by mutual agreement, or one group will buy
> it from the other with their share of the $20K.
>
> One group might retain the yellow-on-red colour scheme; the other might use the
> metallic-gold-on-blue alternative, or some other.
>
> novaroma.org would be replaced with a page that advertises *both* groups and
> lets a newcomer pick between them.
>
> Partition it. That's the only way.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>

Ave Iulia Aquila!

Hmmm... If anyone knows where I can find patterns for Roman/Greek attire
possibly I could ask our resident Tailor Metellus to concot something for
Aeternia (if I ask very very nicely). But not sure if I can request the
time off or find a traveling companion to accompany me, it would be nice to
have Kitabear with me but so many people and my beloved hound, he'd be all
over the place lol.

Now that I see you also have dancing girls, I must say Julia and Rota do
know how to put on a shindig..

I shall look into the matter more so that I may be able to attend.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:53 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Ave Statia Aeternia!
>
> Very important questions!
>
> The status on garb is that we should all wear some:)
>
> It would be great for all of us to be able to dress in Roman clothing and
> my personal goal it to at least sell my wares wearing a tunica or khiton. We
> shall see, time may not be on my side.
>
> Currently we are coordinating with Scholastica to do a presentation on
> ancient clothing but she can tell you how to make a tunica or khiton
> etc.(they are easy, even stitched by hand) I am opting for a khiton, I hope.
> Rota's wife makes wonderful Roman clothing but I am not sure she will have
> time to do anything before the conventus - however she might could get your
> measurements and make something for you, but I am not sure - I will ask her.
> If you would like to volunteer to check about the internet and maybe help
> get a Roman clothing vendor to come that will earn you "Rota bucks".
> We will have a display of shield and sword and of course we have some folks
> from various legios. I will be bringing a couple of "personal" weapons
> myself. I have a few replicas as well that are not the best but I am
> bringing them - the best will be brought by Rota and other legionairres.
> As for curvesque figures - I am thankful for Roman clothing! LaWren's nest
> finally has put up some new clothing and has some for we more voluptuous
> types. http://www.lawrensnest.com/roman.html
> If you come I do hope you plan to take advantage of the open forum and read
> an appropriate poem or two:)
>
> Vale,
>
> Julia
>
>
> <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
> >
> > Statia Aeternia Iuliae Aquilae sal:
> >
> >
> > Wow this looks like you all will have a blast for sure! What's the status
> > on garb? Will you have vendors there who specialize in Roman Clothing and
> > Weaponry? Actually the most important question, will there be vendors who
> > specialize in Roman Clothing that cater those of the curvesque nature??
> >
> > Important Questions :-)
> >
> > Vale Optime,
> > Statia Aeternia
>
> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 08/25/2010 03:55 PM, lathyrus77 wrote:

> This is a good idea.
>
> And not everything has to be separate; since there is a natural rivalry, the ludi games would be a lot more interesting.

Right now, at any time, either the Establishment or the Resistance could form a
new group of their own, and forbid the leaders of the opposition from joining.
That is psychologically unsatisfactory.

For it would be "letting the b******s win", "running away", "taking our marbles
and going home", etc.

So long as the other side gets the name Nova Roma, the treasury, the web site,
the continuity... neither faction will give up willingly.

Partition solves that. We wouldn't be giving up Nova Roma to our enemies...
we'd be keeping the best of it, and throwing the bums out.

Both groups would have a name that was some variant of "Nova Roma", if they
wished; but neither group could use "Nova Roma" without the modifier.

(That would be repugnant - giving the name of "Nova Roma" to the adversary.
That would be admitting defeat. So, neither group should use it.)

Both groups would lay claim to the shared history of 1998-2010; we would refer
to events by the names of the consuls of those years, even of those consuls went
to the other side.

Neither group has to give up the web site, which is a bit dated but has some
good features, and lots of good wiki content... we'd clone it. Roma Red, Roma
Blue; with novaroma.org just a placeholder page that suggests visitors look at both.

Aside from a few grudges amongst the old-timers on both sides, the rivalry could
even be a friendly one, as you say; there could be occasional games between
them. Even a shared Conventus would be possible, though it would probably be
unwise to have me and Piscinus in the same room without a heavily armed
policeman standing watch. (mods: this is a joke, not a threat).

Consuls, Censors, leaders of the Senate... would it be worth half the treasury
and a change of the organization name to have all of your enemies simply *go*
*away*, peacefully and voluntarily?

And then, with your adversaries no longer caring at all about your internal
affairs, polluting this mailing list with rants against you, or quarreling about
who the "real" pontifex maximus is, you can engage them - from a safe distance -
in occasional sporting events or cooperative projects.

PARTITION. It's the only way.

Vale, Octavius.

I agree partition is the only way to solve 99% of the problems. I have some logistics questions:


How would we legally divide the treasury?

Who holds the trademarks and copyrights? Do we share copyright?

Would we have liasons between the to sides?

Is there a possibility for the litigious among us to wage legal battle between the two groups?

I'm assuming each side will have a PM, and preist groups. Will they confer so as keep the religio whole?


- Anna

AKA Annia Minucia Marcella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Octavius Gracchus" <octaviusgracchus@...> wrote:
>
> On 08/25/2010 03:55 PM, lathyrus77 wrote:
> > This is a good idea.
> >
> > And not everything has to be separate; since there is a natural rivalry, the ludi games would be a lot more interesting.
>
> Right now, at any time, either the Establishment or the Resistance could form a
> new group of their own, and forbid the leaders of the opposition from joining.
> That is psychologically unsatisfactory.
>
> For it would be "letting the b******s win", "running away", "taking our marbles
> and going home", etc.
>
> So long as the other side gets the name Nova Roma, the treasury, the web site,
> the continuity... neither faction will give up willingly.
>
> Partition solves that. We wouldn't be giving up Nova Roma to our enemies...
> we'd be keeping the best of it, and throwing the bums out.
>
> Both groups would have a name that was some variant of "Nova Roma", if they
> wished; but neither group could use "Nova Roma" without the modifier.
>
> (That would be repugnant - giving the name of "Nova Roma" to the adversary.
> That would be admitting defeat. So, neither group should use it.)
>
> Both groups would lay claim to the shared history of 1998-2010; we would refer
> to events by the names of the consuls of those years, even of those consuls went
> to the other side.
>
> Neither group has to give up the web site, which is a bit dated but has some
> good features, and lots of good wiki content... we'd clone it. Roma Red, Roma
> Blue; with novaroma.org just a placeholder page that suggests visitors look at both.
>
> Aside from a few grudges amongst the old-timers on both sides, the rivalry could
> even be a friendly one, as you say; there could be occasional games between
> them. Even a shared Conventus would be possible, though it would probably be
> unwise to have me and Piscinus in the same room without a heavily armed
> policeman standing watch. (mods: this is a joke, not a threat).
>
> Consuls, Censors, leaders of the Senate... would it be worth half the treasury
> and a change of the organization name to have all of your enemies simply *go*
> *away*, peacefully and voluntarily?
>
> And then, with your adversaries no longer caring at all about your internal
> affairs, polluting this mailing list with rants against you, or quarreling about
> who the "real" pontifex maximus is, you can engage them - from a safe distance -
> in occasional sporting events or cooperative projects.
>
> PARTITION. It's the only way.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>

Auguribus s.d.



Though I have been reported that your agenda was very busy, and that you had other priorities than answering a consul, I feel however useful to remind my request below, and that I asked you to answer for last 23rd, two days ago.



Vobis gratias et valete,





Albucius cos.





To: mhoratius@...; tau.athanasios@...; marcus.lucretius@...
CC: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com; novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com; nr_senaculum@yahoogroups.com
From: albucius_aoe@...
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:37:16 +0200
Subject: [NovaRoma-Announce] Request for auspices (next Senate session)






Salvete Augures,

As usual since last January, I am coming to you, so that the auspices be taken by one of you, according your choice, for the next Senate session that I intend calling for next a.d. IX Kal. Sept., with a vote beginning on pridie Kal. Sept..

I hope that, after four missed opportunities, nothing will prevent you, this time, to place your science at the service of my modest convening.

Thanks for informing me who will take the auspices, and to inform me of their result no later than next 23rd.

If ever the auspices were not favorable, I hereby inform you that I would convene the Senate for the soonest available day, this is to say for a vote on Sept. 3, or Sept. 4, or on 5 or on 7, etc.. Please therefore, in case of defavorable auspices, taking them for each of these dates until the Gods accept a favorable day.

Vobis gratias et valete tres,


P. Memmius Albucius cos.







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Salve, L. Iulia Aquila!

I wish you the best in this endeavor! I live in the far, far middle of nowhere (Bakersfield, CA) and cannot make it out this time. I wish you and the rest of your NR guests well. I hope and know this will be a spectacular event!

Best wishes,

L. Antonia Auriga

P.S. Just wondering if you were working with one of the many Legions on the East coast?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Salve, et salvete,
>
> To all Novi Romani, all without exception, I ask you to please plan to come to this event; we must come together and get to know each other away from the ML.
> We must put our heads together in meetings and enjoyable activities, planned and impromptu, as Romans and work towards pulling our Respublica from the depths in which She now wallows.

... etc., al.

Ave Statia Aeternia!

Rota and I just finished discussing this and we are going to set a block of time for Magistra's ancient clothing workshop and Rota's wife Sonia, will be taking measurements for custom clothing. Of course she will be completeing the creation of the garments after the conventus, but she does beautiful work. Look at the Ludi Megalenses from earlier this year and she is wearing a tunic that she made. If this is something you might want to do you might also consider purchasing some material you like.
You will need two panels of cloth, linen is ok but fine summer wieght wool will probably drape better and won't wrinkle as easy. Of course you can use silk as well, raw silk is easier to take care of and ca usually be handwashed. Each panel should be 45" to 52" wide (these are usually the widths you will find in the store) bear in mind the width also dictates how long the "sleeves" will be. The length should be your height from the neck to floor plus about a foot so that when you tie it at the waist it will drape nicely and not be restricting. The Palla is a rectangular piece of material at least 5' by 9' but it can be bigger for comfort.
I hope Livia and Magistra see this so they can add to, or correct, what I just told you:)

Now you should join the info group - and then start a new thread and post this under "Roman Clothing" *laughs*

Vale bene,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Iulia Aquila!
>
> Hmmm... If anyone knows where I can find patterns for Roman/Greek attire
> possibly I could ask our resident Tailor Metellus to concot something for
> Aeternia (if I ask very very nicely). But not sure if I can request the
> time off or find a traveling companion to accompany me, it would be nice to
> have Kitabear with me but so many people and my beloved hound, he'd be all
> over the place lol.
>
> Now that I see you also have dancing girls, I must say Julia and Rota do
> know how to put on a shindig..
>
> I shall look into the matter more so that I may be able to attend.
>
> Vale Optime,
> Aeternia
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:53 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ave Statia Aeternia!
> >
> > Very important questions!
> >
> > The status on garb is that we should all wear some:)
> >
> > It would be great for all of us to be able to dress in Roman clothing and
> > my personal goal it to at least sell my wares wearing a tunica or khiton. We
> > shall see, time may not be on my side.
> >
> > Currently we are coordinating with Scholastica to do a presentation on
> > ancient clothing but she can tell you how to make a tunica or khiton
> > etc.(they are easy, even stitched by hand) I am opting for a khiton, I hope.
> > Rota's wife makes wonderful Roman clothing but I am not sure she will have
> > time to do anything before the conventus - however she might could get your
> > measurements and make something for you, but I am not sure - I will ask her.
> > If you would like to volunteer to check about the internet and maybe help
> > get a Roman clothing vendor to come that will earn you "Rota bucks".
> > We will have a display of shield and sword and of course we have some folks
> > from various legios. I will be bringing a couple of "personal" weapons
> > myself. I have a few replicas as well that are not the best but I am
> > bringing them - the best will be brought by Rota and other legionairres.
> > As for curvesque figures - I am thankful for Roman clothing! LaWren's nest
> > finally has put up some new clothing and has some for we more voluptuous
> > types. http://www.lawrensnest.com/roman.html
> > If you come I do hope you plan to take advantage of the open forum and read
> > an appropriate poem or two:)
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Julia
> >
> >
> > <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Statia Aeternia Iuliae Aquilae sal:
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow this looks like you all will have a blast for sure! What's the status
> > > on garb? Will you have vendors there who specialize in Roman Clothing and
> > > Weaponry? Actually the most important question, will there be vendors who
> > > specialize in Roman Clothing that cater those of the curvesque nature??
> > >
> > > Important Questions :-)
> > >
> > > Vale Optime,
> > > Statia Aeternia
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve Lucia Antonia!

Oh I know Bakersfield! Now the Roman thing to do would be to get a caravan and pick up citizens along the way! Or you can go to tripadvisor and give them your destination and the notify you of cheap fares into the wilds of South Carolina.
We will miss you - but I am sure we will post many photos!
As for the legios - I leave that up to Rota because i am essentially lost when it comes to that but send him an email, he loves to talk Military and would appreciate it.

Thank you for the kind wished

Vale bene,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "fauxrari" <drivergirl@...> wrote:
>
> Salve, L. Iulia Aquila!
>
> I wish you the best in this endeavor! I live in the far, far middle of nowhere (Bakersfield, CA) and cannot make it out this time. I wish you and the rest of your NR guests well. I hope and know this will be a spectacular event!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> L. Antonia Auriga
>
> P.S. Just wondering if you were working with one of the many Legions on the East coast?
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve, et salvete,
> >
> > To all Novi Romani, all without exception, I ask you to please plan to come to this event; we must come together and get to know each other away from the ML.
> > We must put our heads together in meetings and enjoyable activities, planned and impromptu, as Romans and work towards pulling our Respublica from the depths in which She now wallows.
>
> ... etc., al.
>

I would be interested in reading this, Senator, if you would be so kind as to send it to me.

thank you.

C. Maria Caeca

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Senator, you may have already sent this ...I can't tell from the title, but I do have one that is similar. If you have not, I would appreciate seeing it.

Thank you.
C. Maria Caeca

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Senator,

I would love to read this, and also "Rome at the crossroads" although I inadvertently deleted the initial post on it.

thank you,
C. Maria Caeca

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I live in the far, far middle of nowhere (Bakersfield, CA) and cannot make it out this time.

Wow! Bakersfield. You had a hot day today!

Fabius Maximus



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Thanks for the invitation guys but I am prohibited from joining that list. Apparently I've been naughty.


-Anna Bucci

AKA Annia Minucia Marcella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@...> wrote:
>
> Anna/Annia!--I second Valerianus' invitation. I hope you'll join the Matronae list. There's also a Conventus Matronarum list that I'm told features more Latin and is probably more scholarly. On the Matronae list, we just like to talk.
>
> At the moment, we're talking about neuroanatomy and how it relates to language processing, so I'm quite enjoying myself. :)
>
> Paulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Annia Minucia Marcella!
> >
> > It has been a while! If you're thinking of sticking around, there is a
> > thriving recent list for NR women at
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Matronae_Novae_Romae/ (which my wife tells me
> > is very good) . . .
>

>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae Statiae Corneliae Aeternae quiritibus
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Ave Statia Aeternia!
>
> Rota and I just finished discussing this and we are going to set a block of
> time for Magistra's ancient clothing workshop and Rota's wife Sonia, will be
> taking measurements for custom clothing. Of course she will be completeing the
> creation of the garments after the conventus, but she does beautiful work.
> Look at the Ludi Megalenses from earlier this year and she is wearing a tunic
> that she made. If this is something you might want to do you might also
> consider purchasing some material you like.
> You will need two panels of cloth, linen is ok but fine summer wieght wool
> will probably drape better and won't wrinkle as easy. Of course you can use
> silk as well, raw silk is easier to take care of and ca usually be handwashed.
> Each panel should be 45" to 52" wide (these are usually the widths you will
> find in the store) bear in mind the width also dictates how long the "sleeves"
> will be. The length should be your height from the neck to floor plus about a
> foot so that when you tie it at the waist it will drape nicely and not be
> restricting. The Palla is a rectangular piece of material at least 5' by 9'
> but it can be bigger for comfort.
>
> ATS: Greek and Roman clothing, like that of some other peoples, belongs
> to what is called the draped tradition of clothing manufacture, not the
> tailored tradition used in much of Western attire. There are no patterns as
> such; clothing resembles sheets, blankets, and pillowcases which are fastened
> and draped in various ways. As Julia says, a tunica (or khiton) is made from
> two panels of fabric, seamed up the sides and (in the Roman tunica, and some
> forms of the Greek khiton) across the shoulders, then hemmed at the bottom.
> One can also cut into this and make a T-shape if desired, but the plain
> two-panel version is easier, and probably better for those who are pneumatic
> or chunky. In the latter case at least, I would try to get 56 inch fabric (or
> wider if possible). Vertically pleated crinkle cotton is fine for the khiton
> (cotton-poly is okay unless one is a reenactor), and plain cotton or linen or
> cotton/linen mixed is fine for the Roman women¹s tunica, as is silk. The men
> use wool, and the women can do the same if desired. The short men¹s khiton or
> men¹s tunica should fall to about mid-calf to the ankle when ungirt (and the
> Roman version at least was almost always girt), and the long khiton or women¹s
> tunica should be at least floor length; the long khiton (worn by women,
> deities, musicians, charioteers, and older men) had to be at least one foot
> longer than the wearer, and longer is better as multiple belts / ties were
> used. If one cannot find fabric wide enough that two panels will work (say
> one meter or a bit wider, perhaps 42 inches), one would have to use three
> panels and split the third vertically, then sew it to the other two, one
> section on each side so that it is even. The himation can be narrower, and so
> can the Greek capes, the chlamys and the chlaina; methinks that one would have
> to be quite tall to require a wide fabric even for the palla / pallium. To
> me, five feet wide would be overkill. The himation seems fine with maybe two
> to three yards (or meters) of 40-45 inch fabric, though this will depend on
> the size of the wearer, and the chlamys / chlaina requires even less, maybe
> two yards / meters.
>
>
> I hope Livia and Magistra see this so they can add to, or correct, what I just
> told you:)
>
> ATS: Magistra did see it...hope this helps.
>
> Now you should join the info group - and then start a new thread and post this
> under "Roman Clothing" *laughs*
>
> Vale bene,
>
> Julia
>
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , Belle
> Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ave Iulia Aquila!
>> >
>> > Hmmm... If anyone knows where I can find patterns for Roman/Greek attire
>> > possibly I could ask our resident Tailor Metellus to concot something for
>> > Aeternia (if I ask very very nicely). But not sure if I can request the
>> > time off or find a traveling companion to accompany me, it would be nice
>> to
>> > have Kitabear with me but so many people and my beloved hound, he'd be all
>> > over the place lol.
>> >
>> > Now that I see you also have dancing girls, I must say Julia and Rota do
>> > know how to put on a shindig..
>> >
>> > I shall look into the matter more so that I may be able to attend.
>> >
>> > Vale Optime,
>> > Aeternia
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:53 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
>> > luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>> >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Ave Statia Aeternia!
>>> > >
>>> > > Very important questions!
>>> > >
>>> > > The status on garb is that we should all wear some:)
>>> > >
>>> > > It would be great for all of us to be able to dress in Roman clothing

and

>>> > > my personal goal it to at least sell my wares wearing a tunica or
>>> khiton. We
>>> > > shall see, time may not be on my side.
>>> > >
>>> > > Currently we are coordinating with Scholastica to do a presentation on
>>> > > ancient clothing but she can tell you how to make a tunica or khiton
>>> > > etc.(they are easy, even stitched by hand) I am opting for a khiton, I
>>> hope.
>>> > > Rota's wife makes wonderful Roman clothing but I am not sure she will
>>> have
>>> > > time to do anything before the conventus - however she might could get
>>> your
>>> > > measurements and make something for you, but I am not sure - I will ask
>>> her.
>>> > > If you would like to volunteer to check about the internet and maybe >>>

help

>>> > > get a Roman clothing vendor to come that will earn you "Rota bucks".
>>> > > We will have a display of shield and sword and of course we have some
>>> folks
>>> > > from various legios. I will be bringing a couple of "personal" weapons
>>> > > myself. I have a few replicas as well that are not the best but I am
>>> > > bringing them - the best will be brought by Rota and other legionairres.
>>> > > As for curvesque figures - I am thankful for Roman clothing! LaWren's
>>> nest
>>> > > finally has put up some new clothing and has some for we more voluptuous
>>> > > types. http://www.lawrensnest.com/roman.html
>>> > > If you come I do hope you plan to take advantage of the open forum and
>>> read
>>> > > an appropriate poem or two:)
>>> > >
>>> > > Vale,
>>> > >
>>> > > Julia
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Statia Aeternia Iuliae Aquilae sal:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Wow this looks like you all will have a blast for sure! What's the
>>>> status
>>>> > > > on garb? Will you have vendors there who specialize in Roman Clothing

and

>>>> > > > Weaponry? Actually the most important question, will there be vendors

who

>>>> > > > specialize in Roman Clothing that cater those of the curvesque
>>>> nature??
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Important Questions :-)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Vale Optime,
>>>> > > > Statia Aeternia
>>> > >
>>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>
>

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Statia Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae L. Juliae Aquilae s.p.d.


Metellus take notes! So uh just out slight curiousity, when era of the
empire is garb required to be in? Is Barbarian attire accepted? Thats what
I normally wear, for my Roman Re-Enacting....

But something more traditional is always nice to have as well, especially in
black and purple...

*laughs nervously and hides*


Vale Optime,
Statia Aeternia

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:22 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...

> wrote:

>
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae Statiae Corneliae Aeternae
> quiritibus
>
> > bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> >
> > Ave Statia Aeternia!
> >
> > Rota and I just finished discussing this and we are going to set a block
> of
> > time for Magistra's ancient clothing workshop and Rota's wife Sonia, will
> be
> > taking measurements for custom clothing. Of course she will be
> completeing the
> > creation of the garments after the conventus, but she does beautiful
> work.
> > Look at the Ludi Megalenses from earlier this year and she is wearing a
> tunic
> > that she made. If this is something you might want to do you might also
> > consider purchasing some material you like.
> > You will need two panels of cloth, linen is ok but fine summer wieght
> wool
> > will probably drape better and won't wrinkle as easy. Of course you can
> use
> > silk as well, raw silk is easier to take care of and ca usually be
> handwashed.
> > Each panel should be 45" to 52" wide (these are usually the widths you
> will
> > find in the store) bear in mind the width also dictates how long the
> "sleeves"
> > will be. The length should be your height from the neck to floor plus
> about a
> > foot so that when you tie it at the waist it will drape nicely and not be
> > restricting. The Palla is a rectangular piece of material at least 5' by
> 9'
> > but it can be bigger for comfort.
> >
> > ATS: Greek and Roman clothing, like that of some other peoples, belongs
> > to what is called the draped tradition of clothing manufacture, not the
> > tailored tradition used in much of Western attire. There are no patterns
> as
> > such; clothing resembles sheets, blankets, and pillowcases which are
> fastened
> > and draped in various ways. As Julia says, a tunica (or khiton) is made
> from
> > two panels of fabric, seamed up the sides and (in the Roman tunica, and
> some
> > forms of the Greek khiton) across the shoulders, then hemmed at the
> bottom.
> > One can also cut into this and make a T-shape if desired, but the plain
> > two-panel version is easier, and probably better for those who are
> pneumatic
> > or chunky. In the latter case at least, I would try to get 56 inch fabric
> (or
> > wider if possible). Vertically pleated crinkle cotton is fine for the
> khiton
> > (cotton-poly is okay unless one is a reenactor), and plain cotton or
> linen or
> > cotton/linen mixed is fine for the Roman women�s tunica, as is silk. The
> men
> > use wool, and the women can do the same if desired. The short men�s
> khiton or
> > men�s tunica should fall to about mid-calf to the ankle when ungirt (and
> the
> > Roman version at least was almost always girt), and the long khiton or
> women�s
> > tunica should be at least floor length; the long khiton (worn by women,
> > deities, musicians, charioteers, and older men) had to be at least one
> foot
> > longer than the wearer, and longer is better as multiple belts / ties
> were
> > used. If one cannot find fabric wide enough that two panels will work
> (say
> > one meter or a bit wider, perhaps 42 inches), one would have to use three
> > panels and split the third vertically, then sew it to the other two, one
> > section on each side so that it is even. The himation can be narrower,
> and so
> > can the Greek capes, the chlamys and the chlaina; methinks that one would
> have
> > to be quite tall to require a wide fabric even for the palla / pallium.
> To
> > me, five feet wide would be overkill. The himation seems fine with maybe
> two
> > to three yards (or meters) of 40-45 inch fabric, though this will depend
> on
> > the size of the wearer, and the chlamys / chlaina requires even less,
> maybe
> > two yards / meters.
>
> >
> >
> > I hope Livia and Magistra see this so they can add to, or correct, what I
> just
> > told you:)
> >
> > ATS: Magistra did see it...hope this helps.
>
> >
> > Now you should join the info group - and then start a new thread and post
> this
> > under "Roman Clothing" *laughs*
> >
> > Vale bene,
> >
> > Julia
> >
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%2540yahoogroups.com>> , Belle
>
> > Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Ave Iulia Aquila!
> >> >
> >> > Hmmm... If anyone knows where I can find patterns for Roman/Greek
> attire
> >> > possibly I could ask our resident Tailor Metellus to concot something
> for
> >> > Aeternia (if I ask very very nicely). But not sure if I can request
> the
> >> > time off or find a traveling companion to accompany me, it would be
> nice
> >> to
> >> > have Kitabear with me but so many people and my beloved hound, he'd be
> all
> >> > over the place lol.
> >> >
> >> > Now that I see you also have dancing girls, I must say Julia and Rota
> do
> >> > know how to put on a shindig..
> >> >
> >> > I shall look into the matter more so that I may be able to attend.
> >> >
> >> > Vale Optime,
> >> > Aeternia
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:53 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> >> > luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Ave Statia Aeternia!
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Very important questions!
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The status on garb is that we should all wear some:)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > It would be great for all of us to be able to dress in Roman
> clothing
> and
> >>> > > my personal goal it to at least sell my wares wearing a tunica or
> >>> khiton. We
> >>> > > shall see, time may not be on my side.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Currently we are coordinating with Scholastica to do a presentation
> on
> >>> > > ancient clothing but she can tell you how to make a tunica or
> khiton
> >>> > > etc.(they are easy, even stitched by hand) I am opting for a
> khiton, I
> >>> hope.
> >>> > > Rota's wife makes wonderful Roman clothing but I am not sure she
> will
> >>> have
> >>> > > time to do anything before the conventus - however she might could
> get
> >>> your
> >>> > > measurements and make something for you, but I am not sure - I will
> ask
> >>> her.
> >>> > > If you would like to volunteer to check about the internet and
> maybe >>>
> help
> >>> > > get a Roman clothing vendor to come that will earn you "Rota
> bucks".
> >>> > > We will have a display of shield and sword and of course we have
> some
> >>> folks
> >>> > > from various legios. I will be bringing a couple of "personal"
> weapons
> >>> > > myself. I have a few replicas as well that are not the best but I
> am
> >>> > > bringing them - the best will be brought by Rota and other
> legionairres.
> >>> > > As for curvesque figures - I am thankful for Roman clothing!
> LaWren's
> >>> nest
> >>> > > finally has put up some new clothing and has some for we more
> voluptuous
> >>> > > types. http://www.lawrensnest.com/roman.html
> >>> > > If you come I do hope you plan to take advantage of the open forum
> and
> >>> read
> >>> > > an appropriate poem or two:)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Vale,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Julia
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Statia Aeternia Iuliae Aquilae sal:
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Wow this looks like you all will have a blast for sure! What's
> the
> >>>> status
> >>>> > > > on garb? Will you have vendors there who specialize in Roman
> Clothing
> and
> >>>> > > > Weaponry? Actually the most important question, will there be
> vendors
> who
> >>>> > > > specialize in Roman Clothing that cater those of the curvesque
> >>>> nature??
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Important Questions :-)
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Vale Optime,
> >>>> > > > Statia Aeternia
> >>> > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Maria Caeca Liviae Ocellae sal,

Oh, yes ...you may be passing up a once in a life time opportunity!!!

(if I say that often and in various ways ...with logs of emphasis, think we can lure her to SC, Julia?)

Actually, I would like to reinforce Julia's invitation ...wait ...let me remember my Southern ..."all ya'all come, you hear me?"

Seriously, this conventus looks to be truly awesome ...and, if Julia and Rota don't make me carry them around *too* much ...I *promise* we will, at some point, sit around the fire and ...sing Cum bi ya! LOL, and I can promise this ...because I'll start it! (evil grin), and now ...I need to run away, very quickly ...and work on um lecture notes, I think. Or ...?

Valete quam optime,
Caeca

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Iulia Aeterniae Magistrae S.P.D.


Thank you Magistra, I am moving this thread to the info group:)

>So uh just out slight curiousity, when era of the
> empire is garb required to be in?

Statia Aeternia *slow smile* The Republic. Don't worry about it too much, let your inner barbarian shine!
I have no problem with black and purple:)

I will not be dressed in "period" the entire time:)

Valete bene,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Statia Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae L. Juliae Aquilae s.p.d.
>
>
> Metellus take notes! So uh just out slight curiousity, when era of the
> empire is garb required to be in? Is Barbarian attire accepted? Thats what
> I normally wear, for my Roman Re-Enacting....
>
> But something more traditional is always nice to have as well, especially in
> black and purple...
>
> *laughs nervously and hides*
>
>
> Vale Optime,
> Statia Aeternia
>

Ave Gaia Maria,

If the promise of bare chested male fire dancers won't get her from the North Country I do not know what will....

*laughs*

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Maria Caeca Liviae Ocellae sal,
>
> Oh, yes ...you may be passing up a once in a life time opportunity!!!
>
> (if I say that often and in various ways ...with logs of emphasis, think we can lure her to SC, Julia?)
>
> Actually, I would like to reinforce Julia's invitation ...wait ...let me remember my Southern ..."all ya'all come, you hear me?"
>
> Seriously, this conventus looks to be truly awesome ...and, if Julia and Rota don't make me carry them around *too* much ...I *promise* we will, at some point, sit around the fire and ...sing Cum bi ya! LOL, and I can promise this ...because I'll start it! (evil grin), and now ...I need to run away, very quickly ...and work on um lecture notes, I think. Or ...?
>
> Valete quam optime,
> Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>