Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Sep 7-17, 2010

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80572 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80573 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80574 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80575 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80576 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80577 From: jeancourdant Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80578 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80579 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80580 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80581 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80582 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80583 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80584 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: A STUDY IN BYZANTINE HISTORIOGRAPHY: AN ANALYSIS OF THEOPH
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80585 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: SENATORS AND BUSINESS IN THE ROMAN REPUBLIC, 264-44 B.C
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80586 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: ROMAN VIRTUES IN LIVY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80587 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: Drusus Caesar, the son of Tiberius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80588 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: Transitio ad plebem: The exchange of patrician for plebeia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80589 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: Rome and the Latins: A new model
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80590 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: The roles of patrician and plebeian women in their religio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80591 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: The appeal of Asklepios and the politics of healing in the
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80592 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80593 From: aerdensrw Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Report of the September Voting of the Collegium Pontificum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80594 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80595 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Report of the September Voting of the Collegium Pontificum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80596 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: ABSTRACT: ROMAN VIRTUES IN LIVY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80597 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80598 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Quaestio de Hortensia Maiore
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80599 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Report of the September Voting of the Collegium Pontificum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80600 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80601 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80602 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80603 From: A. Decia Scriptrix Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Certamen Historicum - Day 4
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80604 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: a. d. VI Eidus Septembris: Pontifex Maximus holds elections of Tribu
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80605 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80606 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Ludi Romani - A little latin ludi loo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80607 From: Gaius Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80608 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80609 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80610 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80611 From: Gaius Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80612 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80613 From: Aqvillivs Rota Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80614 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80615 From: Aqvillivs Rota Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80616 From: Aqvillivs Rota Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80617 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80618 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80619 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80620 From: Gnaea Livia Ocella Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80621 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80622 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80623 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80624 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80625 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80626 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80627 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80628 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80629 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80630 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80631 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80632 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80633 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80634 From: Gnaea Livia Ocella Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80635 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80636 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80637 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80638 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80639 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80640 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80641 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80642 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80643 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80644 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80645 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80646 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80647 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80648 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Correction (was yet another resignation)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80649 From: Gaius Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80650 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80651 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80652 From: Gnaea Livia Ocella Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80653 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Correction (was yet another resignation)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80654 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80655 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80656 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Fodder for the Intermissio Re: (was another installment of Resignati
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80657 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Fodder for the Intermissio Re: (was another installment of Resig
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80658 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80659 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Fodder for the Intermissio Re: (was another installment of Resignati
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80660 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80661 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80662 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80663 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80664 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80665 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80666 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80667 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Ludi Romani Dedicated to Quirinus 08Sept2010
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80668 From: Gnaea Livia Ocella Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80669 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80670 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80671 From: M. Octavius Gracchus Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80672 From: A. Decia Scriptrix Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: Certamen Historicum - Day 5
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80673 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: a. d. V Eidus Septembris: Asculepigenia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80674 From: Bruno Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80675 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: A little latin ludi loo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80676 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80677 From: Marcus Prometheus Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: From polytheism to monotheism by Mario Alighiero Manacorda, Translat
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80678 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80679 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: The Varian Disaster, was Re: a. d. V Eidus Septembris: Asculepigenia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80680 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: NR Inc. paid FEES 2010 - UPDATED list of 9 sept. 2010‏
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80681 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: a. d. IV Eidus Septembris: The ritual use of wine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80682 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: LUDI ROMANI: Sacrifice for Jupiter Optimus Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80683 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: a.d. IV Id. Sept. - The Greater Eleusinian Mysteries
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80684 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: HaShanah Tova!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80685 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: Ludi Romani - A little latin ludi loo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80686 From: Gens Iulia Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: Certamen historicum - day 6
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80687 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80689 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: Re: A Facebook clone for Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80690 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Ludi Romani 08 & 09 Sept2010: SECOND & THIRD QUARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80691 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Ludi Romani 08 & 09 Sept2010: SECOND & THIRD QUARTERFINAL/Corrected
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80692 From: A. Decia Scriptrix Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Certamen Historicum - Day 7
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80693 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: a. d. III Eidus Septembris: The Agustan Restoration and fl. Dialis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80694 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80695 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: a.d. III Id. Sept. - the Second Day of the Greater Mysteries
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80696 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80697 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80698 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80699 From: DecimusGladiusLupus Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80700 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80701 From: Leah Bernardo-Ciddio Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80702 From: Leah Bernardo-Ciddio Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80703 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80704 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80705 From: Leah Bernardo-Ciddio Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80706 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80707 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80708 From: Leah Bernardo-Ciddio Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80709 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-12
Subject: Ludi Romani - A little latin ludi loo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80710 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-12
Subject: Pridie Eidus Septembris: The Lapis Manalis of Jupiter
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80711 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-12
Subject: Ludi Romani - A little latin ludi loo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80712 From: valeriuschlorus Date: 2010-09-12
Subject: Re: A Facebook clone for Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80713 From: C. Cocceius Spinula Date: 2010-09-12
Subject: Certamen Historicum - Day 7
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80714 From: C. Cocceius Spinula Date: 2010-09-12
Subject: Re: Certamen Historicum - Day 7
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80715 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-13
Subject: IDUS SEPTEMBRIS: The Capitolium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80716 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-13
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani - A little latin ludi loo - Final challenge
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80717 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-09-13
Subject: My Roman fashion show in Plovdiv
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80718 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-09-13
Subject: Re: My Roman fashion show in Plovdiv
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80719 From: mcorvvs Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: Sarmatian (Ukrainian) taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80720 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: LVDI ROMANI 2763 AVC FOVRTH QVARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80721 From: mcorvvs Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: Re: Ides ritual performed by Sacerdos Iovis M.Octavius Corvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80722 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: Re: My Roman fashion show in Plovdiv
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80723 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: RE: Sarmatian FEES 2010 - Situation on 14 sept. 2010‏
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80724 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: a. d. XVIII Kalendas Octobris: Equorum Probatio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80725 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: a.d. XVIII Kal. Oct. - the Fifth Day of the Mysteries
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80726 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: Re: LVDI ROMANI 2763 AVC FOVRTH QVARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80727 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: ABSTRACT: THE LEGENDS OF EARLY ROME USED AS POLITICAL PROPAGANDA IN
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80728 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: ABSTRACT: Exile in the political language of the early Principate
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80729 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: ABSTRACT: A new perspective on the early Roman dictatorship, 501--30
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80730 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: ABSTRACT: Not effigies parvae populi romani: Gods, agency, and lands
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80731 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: ABSTRACT: Falerii Novi and the Romanisation of Italy during the mid-
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80732 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: ABSTRACT: The war for the mind of the West: Rationality, culture, ge
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80733 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-09-15
Subject: Re: LVDI ROMANI 2763 AVC FOVRTH QVARTERFINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80734 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-15
Subject: a. d. XVII Kalendas Octobris: Banquet of the Gods
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80735 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-15
Subject: Re: My Roman fashion show in Plovdiv
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80736 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-09-15
Subject: Re: My Roman fashion show in Plovdiv
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80737 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-15
Subject: a.d. XVII Kal. Oct. - the Sixthe Day of the Mysteries and the Birth
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80738 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-16
Subject: a.d. XVI Kal. Oct. - the Seventh Day of the Mysteries
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80739 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-16
Subject: a. d. XVI Kalendas Octobris: Numa and the Pontifices
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80740 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-09-16
Subject: FW: Write a letter to save archaeological sites in Greece
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80741 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-16
Subject: Another suspicious death investigated at Vindolanda
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80742 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: a. d. XV Kalendas Octobris: Divus Caesar Augustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80743 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: Yom Kippur
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80744 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80745 From: jeancourdant Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: Novus Homo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80746 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80747 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: Re: Novus Homo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80748 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80572 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
EX OFFICIO AEDILIS P. ANNAEI L. IVLIAE

L. Iulia Aquila omnibus civibus S.P.D.

Welcome to the First Quarterfinal!

This day of the Ludi is dedicated to Minerva.

I am pleased to offer you a prayer to Minerva composed by Quaestrix
Maria Caeca:

To Minerva, an offering of words

Minerva, glorious and terrible
In your wisdom and your might
Whose sword Cleves ignorance,
Whose shield is truth,

Guide us in our wanderings
That we may come to understanding.
Guide us in our words,
That we may speak with reason and clarity.
Fill our minds with your radiance,
That we may learn to be wise,
Pierce our hearts, with wisdom's truth
That we may always honor you,
And count your gifts as the truest treasure.

C. Maria Caeca, 10/06/2010



Let the Ludi Circenses Begin!!!!


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C. CLODIA CONCHA: Avete Quirites, Amici et Inimici! This is your
commentor Cardia Clodia Concha filling in for our Mistress of
Ceremonies, L. Julia Aquila who is not only performing her duties as
Curule Aedile but has a chariot entered in this first quarterfinal of
the Ludi Romani 2763! With me this morning in the broadcast booth is
local celebrity Faustus Fannius Felix who has so generously donated the
new stadium monitor you see overhead, over the officium.



F. FANNIUS FELIX: That baby is 180 feet wide by 50 ft tall my love!



C. CLODIA CONCHA: "Concha" to you big boy! What wonderful
weather we have this morning, it is a cool 65 depress and very sunny
with just enough of a breeze to remind us it is fall! The Circus is
packed! I see this morning's Pompa Circensis filing in, the
Magistrates and other high officials follow after the Curule Aediles
– dozens of young girls and boys sprinkling trillions of white
flowers about as if it were snowing, I can smell their sweet scent all
the way up here! Gardenias! Magnificent! Placidus looks dashing in his
Toga Praetexta and Julia Aquila lovely in a white tunica and palla both
are sporting a wide purple stripe on the border of their respective
garments. Placidus just announced free food and drink after ritual
courtesy of the Annaea. Oh the wonderful scents of the food coming off
the many carts being pulled into position! The wine will be flowing I am
sure!



F. FANNIUS FELIX: I only hope, last year we had Falernian, surely they
will not forget us.



C. CLODIA CONCHA:*rolls her eyes with attitude and flicks her hand
towards the door as servants begin to place heavily laden trays of
various delights and various beverages, including Falernian, upon the
banquet table*

Citizens and visitors to great Rome what a pompa circensis on this first
day of the races! Following our Magistrates and Religious officials are
the charioteers in their vestis quadrigaria representing their teams,
their gleaming standards held close by their standard bearers,
musicians, dancing girls, fire eaters, mimes and actors galore! The
plaustra is joining the pompa, carrying the mystically enchanting images
of the Gods to their places, and what is that I see?

*she leans closer, her deep ebon eyes focus in on a splendid site*

Oh by the Great Gods! Magnificent tiny bronze chariots each borne by a
tiny white pony with shaggy manes and tails carrying ornate statues of
Cybele and Neptune and Iuppiter and Minerva! The esteemed Senators are
entering the pulvinar; their skyboxes. Consul Quintilianus looking well,
one of his prize Salukis at his side and a fine looking woman at his
other side is joined by his filius, Censor Modianus.



F. FANNIUS FELIX: Yes, the Consul is a fine judge of horseflesh, and of
women as well.



C. CLODIA CONCHA: *her eyes flash a fiery warning towards Fannius and
she whispers away from the mike*

I warn you Fauste Fanni, do not embarrass me or I shall serve your
precious parts to my swine

*she bares her ultra white teeth towards him in a chilling smile and
announces to the crowd*

Yes, he is a fine man, as both Consules are!



F. FANNIUS FELIX: *mutters under his breath before taking a long draught
of wine* Evil woman, evil cantankerous womanÂ…



C. CLODIA CONCHA: Omnes at the pulvinar we see Consul Albucius and his
family settle in his box as more Senators file in. There is our esteemed
Marinus and his family, accompanied by Julia Aquila's grandson M.
Iulius Aquila who is sitting beside him. I wonder if young Iulius Aquila
will join Julia in the Aediles' skybox to watch her chariot's
race. I see her by the stables speaking to her good friend Petronius
Dexter, both are laughing, if only she would have worn a mike we could
eavesdrop!

Over there in the pulvinar, next to the lovely Aedilis Plebis Enodia and
the fair Merula, is the captivating Rogatrix Æternia who seems to be
taking small black rectangular objects from Senatores Sulla and Cato and
slipping them into the folds of her deep brown cloak, ignoring their
protests. She is flashing a dark and dazzling smile of warning at them
as they take their seats.

*Clodia waves at Palladius* Senator Palladius is here as well, he has
traveled some way from the country – oh but look, here comes Censor
Sabinus and family! There is another from the North country, eh? None
other than Caesar! And Severus from the South! So many of Julia's
cousins are in Rome for this Ludi, Villa Iulia will be packed with
guests, but the Gods know it is big enough! A star studded Pulvinar for
sure! Perusianus, Leanas, Maior, Paulinus and many others as well!



F. FANNIUS FELIX: *waves at Petronius* Hrumpf there are also notables in
the stands where the reg'lar people are! Yo! There are Octavius
Priscus and Livia Ocella making their way to the top of the bleachers,
both are new to Rome! Decia Scriptrix and Iulia Agrippa are looking
radiant, very beautiful, and seated next to them I see Crispus, a hard
working young man who brings common sense to our Forum and who has
worked hard to bring this Ludi to you, as both those esteemed Matrons
have. I know I am not alone in saying that I wish Crispus was less
vigilant in the forum – a good dirty violent fight is needed to
clear the air sometimes!

*Concha throws one of Rota's stuffed dates at Fannius's head and
cast an even more evil eye at him, he shrugs without wiping the vestiges
of the delicacy from the side of his forehead and continues in a more
officious tone*

With everything in place the Ritual to Minerva is about to begin,
Camilla Maria Caeca, Sacerdos Iovis Corvus, Pontifex Lentulus, Flamen
Portunalis Petronius, Augur Agricola and other Sacerdotes, Pontifices,
Pontifex Maximus Piscinus and the Curule Aediles are beginning the
ritual now, they have just called for silentum.



*The broadcast box goes silent for the duration of the ritual to
Minerva*



SALUTATIO

"Hail Minerva and all You immortal Gods above! Why not arouse
Yourself and graciously attend the ceremonies that we hold in Your honor
with Your divine presence."



INVOCATIO

"Proud, warlike Goddess, great honor and wisdom of Your Father,
powerful in war are You, on whom the grim helmet is borne with its
frightful decoration, hear me, Minerva. Listen. Gods and Goddesses of
our ancestors, You who cherish this City and these sacred groves,
listen. Gods of our forefathers, I make this offering of incense to You
and pray with good prayers that You will look kindly and favorably upon
us and our children, on our houses and on our households."



SACRIFICATIO

"To Minerva and the Gods deservedly I give thanks. Minerva, look
down and preserve us, I do beseech you by your good genius. Come forth!
We wish for You."

"Minerva, we come before You this day with open hearts, pure and
chaste. By these offerings we seek to honor You. Hear us, O Minerva,
and may You honor us this day with your presence. As You have so often
before, so now accept these offerings and bless our civitas. Never has
Mars or Bellona with Her battle spear inspired more ardent calls to arms
on the war trumpets than You, Minerva. May You with Your nod accept
this sacrificial offering. Accept our libations and send upon us Your
kind thoughts. May You grant Nova Roma concord and a richness of
life!"

"Minerva, to You we make this offering of incense and pray that You
will look kindly and favorably upon us, upon our children, on our homes
and our households."



LITATIO

"Minerva, may You be strengthened by this libation, may You be
honored by this milk. In You, Minerva, in Your hands do we place our
safekeeping."



PERLITATIO

"No more, Minerva most chaste, do I ask of You today; it is
enough."

"Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you,
cultores Deorum, and wish you happiness in all that is good."

"May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious."





C. CLODIA CONCHA: A very beautiful ritual, a breathtaking sight to
behold!



F. FANNIUS FELIX: *licking his fingers, the side of his face now clean
and a heaping plate of food before him*

And now Quirites, Socii, Peregrinisque the quadrigae are parading around
the track, the noise from the crowds is deafening! The stands are a sea
of Red, White and Blue flagsÂ…andÂ…erÂ…Pom Poms, those damn Pom
Poms again this year!!!!



*While the crowd works it way into a loud frenzy of song, shouting and
colors waving, he shouts over to a servant boy*

Cover those sausages I don't want that sparkly stuff getting into
them again this ludi!

*he releases a loud hardy laugh* Sorry omnes but I need my strength to
fend myself against the Valkyrie I share a box with.



*Fannius can feel the heat of her eyes boring into his skull and downs a
full glass of wine before continuing*

For the first race this Ludi, in post position, is Veneta's
Tempestas Noctis driven by Nicodemus the Thracian and is owned by St.
Cornelia Æternia, next is Albata's Drunas, driven by Nervia and
owned by Consul Albucius. In third position is Russata's Germania
driven by Antropophagus owned by D. Arm. Brutus, next on the outside, is
Albata's Prima Lux driven by Vitus and owned by Curule Aedile, the
exquisite Julia Aquila, Domina of the Albata.



The quadrigae have returned to the carceres behind the gates!

The trumpets sound!

From her Magistrates box, Aedilis Curules Julia Aquila drops the mappa
and they are off!!!!



*Jumping from his chair the girth of Fannius follows with ease as he
grasps the edge of the announcers box excitedly shouting*

Straight out the gate Albata's Prima Lux and Russata's Germania
surge forward to gain place nearest the inside – what speed those
steeds have! I only hope they are not wearing them out too early to gain
an advantage!

Close on the heels of their dust Albata's Drunas driven by the
fierce Nervia maneuvers to make sure that Veneta's Tempestas Noctis
makes no gains.



*Nervia shouts in a booming voice to Anthropophagus `futue te ipsum
et caballum in quo vectus est!'*



Hm, I thought the Consul was going to talk to her after last Ludi *He
grins cunningly* I am glad it did not sink in; she is swiftly pushing
aside the Germania.

Whoa, whatÂ… look! Albata's Vitus is taking the Prima Lux well in
the lead, by at least a length; the flaxen manes of his golden chestnut
stallions give the air of demigods carrying their fine-looking passenger
towards Mt. Olympus itself! But our candidate for demi-goddess Nervia is
not to be outdone, her magnificent team is close on the tail of the
newcomer and her eyes are shooting spears of lightening! As they go into
the second lap it is Albata's Prima Lux in first followed by
Albata's Drunas, Russata's Germania and Veneta's Tempestas
Noctis!



C. CLODIA CONCHA: Vitus is very focused but he does flash a magnanimous
smile to the ladies now and again, did you notice he almost matches his
horses, his hair is a golden chestnut with flaxen streaks? Oh those
muscles!



F. FANNIUS FELIX: The race my dear, I mean ConchaÂ… *laughs heartily
as she smiles back at him*



C. CLODIA CONCHA: As they enter the second turn Albata's Vitus is
clearly in the lead, his horses do not seemed taxed at all by Albata
Nervia's attempts to push him into the spina! A tussle between the
two is ensuing as they race at incredible speeds. The whips come out;
the tip of Nervia's whip grazes the flank of one of Prima Lux's
stallions! Vitus scowls and shouts something at Nervia and with a slight
maneuver of his chariot he sends the Drunas wide! Veneta's Tempestas
Noctis and Russata's Germania take advantage of the Drunas
misfortune and race in its place, both neck to neck, both Nicodemus the
Thracian and Antropophagus are intensely focused on passing each other.
As they make the turn into the third lap it is Prima Lux in first,
Tempestas Noctis and Germania both tied in second, nose to nose and
Druna last but coming up fast and furious!



There seems to be no reason for any tactics at this point although Prima
Lux is supporting an even pace, conserving just enough energy to stay
ahead of the pack and the clear favorite as the Albata swarm from the
stands to loudly cheer him on. The crowd bellows, Brutus is shouting and
waving red flags as Germania passes Tempestas Noctis and is firmly in
second place. With the Nervia's whip working overtime, the Drunas
overtakes the Tempestas Noctis pushing it from the outside almost into
the rear of the Germania placing third as they race towards the 4th and
final lap! The crowds are screaming! Albucius is shouting, both arms in
the air waving white flags!



F. FANNIUS FELIX: By Iuppiter's whatsis! The Drunas is surging
ahead, what a woman that Nervia is! If I get drunk enough I may ask for
her hand! Close behind is the muscle bound Thracian, Nicodemus who is
swiftly closing the gap with Tempestas Noctis and staying close to the
spina, still in fourth place in the last lap. Drunas is challenging
Germania but Germania holds on to its swift focused pace while blocking
the moves of Tempestas Noctis – what a driver, surrounded by those
who wish to make him fail! Nervia shouting all sorts of curses at him!
We can only guess what is on her mind but she seems so determined!

With a shout to his horses Anthropophagus' steeds fly towards first
place leaving Drunas and Tempestas Noctis behind him! Germania and
Prima Lux are neck to neck! What is this, a small smile blooms on the
face of the handsomely rugged Vitus; his lips form words unheard to us
and his steeds pick up speed with an ease as if they are spawns of
Pegasus himself! The stallions appear to floating!



Julia Aquila is hugging her arms close to her body and appears to be
softly jumping in place! The Albata and her friends Marinus, Maria, and
Scholastica amongst them surround her; even the Veneta's Petronius
is by her side!



What is that?!? A loud crack and snap just resounded throughout the
circus, *Fannius points and looks at the huge monitor* the leading
horses are nervously turning their ears sideways!

The crowd is shouting something urgent and unintelligible to Vitus!



C. CLODIA CONCHA: No! Oh no!

Something has broken off the Germania! A wheel! The Germania goes down!
The wheel speeds underfoot the team of the Prima Lux! Antropophagus
falls backwards in the currus, the pole and yolk fly into the air, the
yolk horses are reared up on their hind legs and the trace horses have
tumbled to the dirt!

Prima Lux's team struggles to keep afoot! Vitus appears to be saying
something to them! The trace horse on the left begins to fall but the
other three are pulling in the opposite direction led by the right trace
horse lifting the golden chestnut stallion back to his feet!



Thundering past into first place is the Consul's Drunas, Nervia is
laughing loudly at the fallen Germania! She is followed a length behind
by Tempestas Noctis; both chariots making a wide berth around the
stricken quadrigae on the outside!

The crowd is roaring!!! The stands are a mass of White and Blue! Great
reddish clouds trail the two leading chariots as they race onto the turn
before the final stretch!



The Germania is out but will the Prima Lux be able to catch up?

Anthropophagus just jumped from the downed Germania and is tending to
his frightened horses with care. In a flash of human speed Vitus leaves
the Prima Lux running towards his hot-bloods, his wounded Stallion is
standing but he is clearly unable to run the race. Vitus takes a moment
to examine him than runs towards Antrophagus.

Is there going to be a fight? The crowd calls for blood! Many of the
Albata feel they have been cheated of a victory! Soldiers are on alert!



Wait folks, he is tying the Germania's team to the back of his
chariot with Antrophagus upon one of the steeds then climbs back into
the Prima Lux and urges his horses into an easy jog towards the finish
line.



Tempestas Noctis takes advantage of the distraction and being on the
inside Nicodemus the Thracian begins to push the Drunas in attempt to
send her wide, he is shouting "potas currere, sed te occulare none
potes"! But Nervia is smiling and makes a rude gesture with her
finger towards him! She shouts something to her team and they speed
forward taking the lead and the win, by two lengths!



ALBATA'S DRUNAS WINS THE FIRST QUARTERFINAL!!!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS
CONSUL ALBUCIUS!!!!



Tempestas Noctis comes in an impressive second!

Prima Lux is in third place and the Germania is fourth – the crowd
cheers for the two Charioteers who ran a noble race!

The crowds are insane! Security is heavy; the air is filled with White
and Blue confetti, pom poms and flags!

Albucius races to Nervia and lifts her into the air where she is borne
by many strong arms and carried about!

Loud shouts from Æternia are heard as she and her friends run to
Nicodemus the Thracian! Æternia tosses blue flower petals over the
Thracian's head and places a rare black linen cloak about his
shoulders!



After a few reassuring mutual embraces Julia Aquila assists Vitus in
examining the stallions as this appears to be their main concern. Brutus
likewise assists Anthropophagus, who is visibly disappointed and
can't stop from glaring over at Nervia who is completely ignoring
him.



F. FANNIUS FELIX: Oh enough already Concha, "as the screw turns"
Lady Luck has made her choice and our two winners Consul Albucius'
Drunas and Rogatrix St. Cornelia Æternia will go onto the
semi-finals. The others are out, out and out. Better luck next year!
Bah!!! *laughs loudly*

Congratulations to the Albata and Venata!

Congratulations to Consul Albucius and to Rogatrix Æternia whose
chariots go onto the semifinals!



Now my dear Concha I see Rota, and his fine wife Sonja, bringing in some
fresh culinary delights for the Intermessio and the show is about to
begin! I see they are also setting up a booth for you to ply your wares
*his lips curl in a lascivious grin eyeing her shining raven locks and
the way the pale red fabric of her frock stretches across her hips* I
meanÂ… to sellÂ… your luxurious fabrics! I understand your
designers created many of the dancers costumes as well asÂ… ermÂ…
servicing those people of Rome who are searching for something a cut
above the rest!



*The huge monitor begins showing clothing of exquisite design and
fabrics surrounded by picture within picture of the activity at the
stables, the vendors, the stands, the pulvinar and other advertisements.
The clothing is moved to the side and in the center a replay of the race
is greeted with loud shouts and cheers*



F. FANNIUS FELIX: Come Concha, let us go down into the crowds before I
am tempted to stay here and partake of what is left and indulge in a few
of the servitors for dessert!



C. CLODIA CONCHA: *rests her arm on Fannius* Yes I had better get you
out of here before that dour face guard sticks you with his pilum.



F. FANNIUS FELIX: *as they walk to the stairway Fannius mumbles to her*
My dear Concha, it is not I he wants to stick with his pilum, you have
ignored him in totality and this is why he is so dour!



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Until the Second QuarterfinalÂ…valete optime!

Narratio resumeturÂ…

To be continuedÂ…



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80573 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Salvete Omnes!

Albata Semper! Albata Victoria! You go, Nervia! Oh ...oops ...and, a most respectful congratulations to Albucius Consul, of course!

Impromptu party at Caeca's! all ya'all come!

Valete bene,
CMC, who *fervently* hopes her staff have followed their instructions!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80574 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Salve Aedilis et omnes,

Even if it is just one victory and that many defeats may follow, I see as a particular good omen that my chariot won the inaugural race of our Ludi romani, under the protection of dea Minerva and after carefully led opening rituals.

Apparently, our gods are more clement with my action and their consular servant than our religious institutions. Such an omen reinforces me in my public duties.

Congratulations to all chariots, auriges (do not read pls "augures"), and owners!

Vale et omnes,


Albucius cos.









--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
>
> EX OFFICIO AEDILIS P. ANNAEI L. IVLIAE
>
> L. Iulia Aquila omnibus civibus S.P.D.
>
> Welcome to the First Quarterfinal!
>
> This day of the Ludi is dedicated to Minerva.
>
> I am pleased to offer you a prayer to Minerva composed by Quaestrix
> Maria Caeca:
>
> To Minerva, an offering of words
>
> Minerva, glorious and terrible
> In your wisdom and your might
> Whose sword Cleves ignorance,
> Whose shield is truth,
>
> Guide us in our wanderings
> That we may come to understanding.
> Guide us in our words,
> That we may speak with reason and clarity.
> Fill our minds with your radiance,
> That we may learn to be wise,
> Pierce our hearts, with wisdom's truth
> That we may always honor you,
> And count your gifts as the truest treasure.
>
> C. Maria Caeca, 10/06/2010
>
>
>
> Let the Ludi Circenses Begin!!!!
>
>
> ************************************************************************\
> **********************
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: Avete Quirites, Amici et Inimici! This is your
> commentor Cardia Clodia Concha filling in for our Mistress of
> Ceremonies, L. Julia Aquila who is not only performing her duties as
> Curule Aedile but has a chariot entered in this first quarterfinal of
> the Ludi Romani 2763! With me this morning in the broadcast booth is
> local celebrity Faustus Fannius Felix who has so generously donated the
> new stadium monitor you see overhead, over the officium.
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: That baby is 180 feet wide by 50 ft tall my love!
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: "Concha" to you big boy! What wonderful
> weather we have this morning, it is a cool 65 depress and very sunny
> with just enough of a breeze to remind us it is fall! The Circus is
> packed! I see this morning's Pompa Circensis filing in, the
> Magistrates and other high officials follow after the Curule Aediles
> – dozens of young girls and boys sprinkling trillions of white
> flowers about as if it were snowing, I can smell their sweet scent all
> the way up here! Gardenias! Magnificent! Placidus looks dashing in his
> Toga Praetexta and Julia Aquila lovely in a white tunica and palla both
> are sporting a wide purple stripe on the border of their respective
> garments. Placidus just announced free food and drink after ritual
> courtesy of the Annaea. Oh the wonderful scents of the food coming off
> the many carts being pulled into position! The wine will be flowing I am
> sure!
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: I only hope, last year we had Falernian, surely they
> will not forget us.
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA:*rolls her eyes with attitude and flicks her hand
> towards the door as servants begin to place heavily laden trays of
> various delights and various beverages, including Falernian, upon the
> banquet table*
>
> Citizens and visitors to great Rome what a pompa circensis on this first
> day of the races! Following our Magistrates and Religious officials are
> the charioteers in their vestis quadrigaria representing their teams,
> their gleaming standards held close by their standard bearers,
> musicians, dancing girls, fire eaters, mimes and actors galore! The
> plaustra is joining the pompa, carrying the mystically enchanting images
> of the Gods to their places, and what is that I see?
>
> *she leans closer, her deep ebon eyes focus in on a splendid site*
>
> Oh by the Great Gods! Magnificent tiny bronze chariots each borne by a
> tiny white pony with shaggy manes and tails carrying ornate statues of
> Cybele and Neptune and Iuppiter and Minerva! The esteemed Senators are
> entering the pulvinar; their skyboxes. Consul Quintilianus looking well,
> one of his prize Salukis at his side and a fine looking woman at his
> other side is joined by his filius, Censor Modianus.
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: Yes, the Consul is a fine judge of horseflesh, and of
> women as well.
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: *her eyes flash a fiery warning towards Fannius and
> she whispers away from the mike*
>
> I warn you Fauste Fanni, do not embarrass me or I shall serve your
> precious parts to my swine
>
> *she bares her ultra white teeth towards him in a chilling smile and
> announces to the crowd*
>
> Yes, he is a fine man, as both Consules are!
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: *mutters under his breath before taking a long draught
> of wine* Evil woman, evil cantankerous womanÂ…
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: Omnes at the pulvinar we see Consul Albucius and his
> family settle in his box as more Senators file in. There is our esteemed
> Marinus and his family, accompanied by Julia Aquila's grandson M.
> Iulius Aquila who is sitting beside him. I wonder if young Iulius Aquila
> will join Julia in the Aediles' skybox to watch her chariot's
> race. I see her by the stables speaking to her good friend Petronius
> Dexter, both are laughing, if only she would have worn a mike we could
> eavesdrop!
>
> Over there in the pulvinar, next to the lovely Aedilis Plebis Enodia and
> the fair Merula, is the captivating Rogatrix Æternia who seems to be
> taking small black rectangular objects from Senatores Sulla and Cato and
> slipping them into the folds of her deep brown cloak, ignoring their
> protests. She is flashing a dark and dazzling smile of warning at them
> as they take their seats.
>
> *Clodia waves at Palladius* Senator Palladius is here as well, he has
> traveled some way from the country – oh but look, here comes Censor
> Sabinus and family! There is another from the North country, eh? None
> other than Caesar! And Severus from the South! So many of Julia's
> cousins are in Rome for this Ludi, Villa Iulia will be packed with
> guests, but the Gods know it is big enough! A star studded Pulvinar for
> sure! Perusianus, Leanas, Maior, Paulinus and many others as well!
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: *waves at Petronius* Hrumpf there are also notables in
> the stands where the reg'lar people are! Yo! There are Octavius
> Priscus and Livia Ocella making their way to the top of the bleachers,
> both are new to Rome! Decia Scriptrix and Iulia Agrippa are looking
> radiant, very beautiful, and seated next to them I see Crispus, a hard
> working young man who brings common sense to our Forum and who has
> worked hard to bring this Ludi to you, as both those esteemed Matrons
> have. I know I am not alone in saying that I wish Crispus was less
> vigilant in the forum – a good dirty violent fight is needed to
> clear the air sometimes!
>
> *Concha throws one of Rota's stuffed dates at Fannius's head and
> cast an even more evil eye at him, he shrugs without wiping the vestiges
> of the delicacy from the side of his forehead and continues in a more
> officious tone*
>
> With everything in place the Ritual to Minerva is about to begin,
> Camilla Maria Caeca, Sacerdos Iovis Corvus, Pontifex Lentulus, Flamen
> Portunalis Petronius, Augur Agricola and other Sacerdotes, Pontifices,
> Pontifex Maximus Piscinus and the Curule Aediles are beginning the
> ritual now, they have just called for silentum.
>
>
>
> *The broadcast box goes silent for the duration of the ritual to
> Minerva*
>
>
>
> SALUTATIO
>
> "Hail Minerva and all You immortal Gods above! Why not arouse
> Yourself and graciously attend the ceremonies that we hold in Your honor
> with Your divine presence."
>
>
>
> INVOCATIO
>
> "Proud, warlike Goddess, great honor and wisdom of Your Father,
> powerful in war are You, on whom the grim helmet is borne with its
> frightful decoration, hear me, Minerva. Listen. Gods and Goddesses of
> our ancestors, You who cherish this City and these sacred groves,
> listen. Gods of our forefathers, I make this offering of incense to You
> and pray with good prayers that You will look kindly and favorably upon
> us and our children, on our houses and on our households."
>
>
>
> SACRIFICATIO
>
> "To Minerva and the Gods deservedly I give thanks. Minerva, look
> down and preserve us, I do beseech you by your good genius. Come forth!
> We wish for You."
>
> "Minerva, we come before You this day with open hearts, pure and
> chaste. By these offerings we seek to honor You. Hear us, O Minerva,
> and may You honor us this day with your presence. As You have so often
> before, so now accept these offerings and bless our civitas. Never has
> Mars or Bellona with Her battle spear inspired more ardent calls to arms
> on the war trumpets than You, Minerva. May You with Your nod accept
> this sacrificial offering. Accept our libations and send upon us Your
> kind thoughts. May You grant Nova Roma concord and a richness of
> life!"
>
> "Minerva, to You we make this offering of incense and pray that You
> will look kindly and favorably upon us, upon our children, on our homes
> and our households."
>
>
>
> LITATIO
>
> "Minerva, may You be strengthened by this libation, may You be
> honored by this milk. In You, Minerva, in Your hands do we place our
> safekeeping."
>
>
>
> PERLITATIO
>
> "No more, Minerva most chaste, do I ask of You today; it is
> enough."
>
> "Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you,
> cultores Deorum, and wish you happiness in all that is good."
>
> "May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious."
>
>
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: A very beautiful ritual, a breathtaking sight to
> behold!
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: *licking his fingers, the side of his face now clean
> and a heaping plate of food before him*
>
> And now Quirites, Socii, Peregrinisque the quadrigae are parading around
> the track, the noise from the crowds is deafening! The stands are a sea
> of Red, White and Blue flagsÂ…andÂ…erÂ…Pom Poms, those damn Pom
> Poms again this year!!!!
>
>
>
> *While the crowd works it way into a loud frenzy of song, shouting and
> colors waving, he shouts over to a servant boy*
>
> Cover those sausages I don't want that sparkly stuff getting into
> them again this ludi!
>
> *he releases a loud hardy laugh* Sorry omnes but I need my strength to
> fend myself against the Valkyrie I share a box with.
>
>
>
> *Fannius can feel the heat of her eyes boring into his skull and downs a
> full glass of wine before continuing*
>
> For the first race this Ludi, in post position, is Veneta's
> Tempestas Noctis driven by Nicodemus the Thracian and is owned by St.
> Cornelia Æternia, next is Albata's Drunas, driven by Nervia and
> owned by Consul Albucius. In third position is Russata's Germania
> driven by Antropophagus owned by D. Arm. Brutus, next on the outside, is
> Albata's Prima Lux driven by Vitus and owned by Curule Aedile, the
> exquisite Julia Aquila, Domina of the Albata.
>
>
>
> The quadrigae have returned to the carceres behind the gates!
>
> The trumpets sound!
>
> From her Magistrates box, Aedilis Curules Julia Aquila drops the mappa
> and they are off!!!!
>
>
>
> *Jumping from his chair the girth of Fannius follows with ease as he
> grasps the edge of the announcers box excitedly shouting*
>
> Straight out the gate Albata's Prima Lux and Russata's Germania
> surge forward to gain place nearest the inside – what speed those
> steeds have! I only hope they are not wearing them out too early to gain
> an advantage!
>
> Close on the heels of their dust Albata's Drunas driven by the
> fierce Nervia maneuvers to make sure that Veneta's Tempestas Noctis
> makes no gains.
>
>
>
> *Nervia shouts in a booming voice to Anthropophagus `futue te ipsum
> et caballum in quo vectus est!'*
>
>
>
> Hm, I thought the Consul was going to talk to her after last Ludi *He
> grins cunningly* I am glad it did not sink in; she is swiftly pushing
> aside the Germania.
>
> Whoa, whatÂ… look! Albata's Vitus is taking the Prima Lux well in
> the lead, by at least a length; the flaxen manes of his golden chestnut
> stallions give the air of demigods carrying their fine-looking passenger
> towards Mt. Olympus itself! But our candidate for demi-goddess Nervia is
> not to be outdone, her magnificent team is close on the tail of the
> newcomer and her eyes are shooting spears of lightening! As they go into
> the second lap it is Albata's Prima Lux in first followed by
> Albata's Drunas, Russata's Germania and Veneta's Tempestas
> Noctis!
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: Vitus is very focused but he does flash a magnanimous
> smile to the ladies now and again, did you notice he almost matches his
> horses, his hair is a golden chestnut with flaxen streaks? Oh those
> muscles!
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: The race my dear, I mean ConchaÂ… *laughs heartily
> as she smiles back at him*
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: As they enter the second turn Albata's Vitus is
> clearly in the lead, his horses do not seemed taxed at all by Albata
> Nervia's attempts to push him into the spina! A tussle between the
> two is ensuing as they race at incredible speeds. The whips come out;
> the tip of Nervia's whip grazes the flank of one of Prima Lux's
> stallions! Vitus scowls and shouts something at Nervia and with a slight
> maneuver of his chariot he sends the Drunas wide! Veneta's Tempestas
> Noctis and Russata's Germania take advantage of the Drunas
> misfortune and race in its place, both neck to neck, both Nicodemus the
> Thracian and Antropophagus are intensely focused on passing each other.
> As they make the turn into the third lap it is Prima Lux in first,
> Tempestas Noctis and Germania both tied in second, nose to nose and
> Druna last but coming up fast and furious!
>
>
>
> There seems to be no reason for any tactics at this point although Prima
> Lux is supporting an even pace, conserving just enough energy to stay
> ahead of the pack and the clear favorite as the Albata swarm from the
> stands to loudly cheer him on. The crowd bellows, Brutus is shouting and
> waving red flags as Germania passes Tempestas Noctis and is firmly in
> second place. With the Nervia's whip working overtime, the Drunas
> overtakes the Tempestas Noctis pushing it from the outside almost into
> the rear of the Germania placing third as they race towards the 4th and
> final lap! The crowds are screaming! Albucius is shouting, both arms in
> the air waving white flags!
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: By Iuppiter's whatsis! The Drunas is surging
> ahead, what a woman that Nervia is! If I get drunk enough I may ask for
> her hand! Close behind is the muscle bound Thracian, Nicodemus who is
> swiftly closing the gap with Tempestas Noctis and staying close to the
> spina, still in fourth place in the last lap. Drunas is challenging
> Germania but Germania holds on to its swift focused pace while blocking
> the moves of Tempestas Noctis – what a driver, surrounded by those
> who wish to make him fail! Nervia shouting all sorts of curses at him!
> We can only guess what is on her mind but she seems so determined!
>
> With a shout to his horses Anthropophagus' steeds fly towards first
> place leaving Drunas and Tempestas Noctis behind him! Germania and
> Prima Lux are neck to neck! What is this, a small smile blooms on the
> face of the handsomely rugged Vitus; his lips form words unheard to us
> and his steeds pick up speed with an ease as if they are spawns of
> Pegasus himself! The stallions appear to floating!
>
>
>
> Julia Aquila is hugging her arms close to her body and appears to be
> softly jumping in place! The Albata and her friends Marinus, Maria, and
> Scholastica amongst them surround her; even the Veneta's Petronius
> is by her side!
>
>
>
> What is that?!? A loud crack and snap just resounded throughout the
> circus, *Fannius points and looks at the huge monitor* the leading
> horses are nervously turning their ears sideways!
>
> The crowd is shouting something urgent and unintelligible to Vitus!
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: No! Oh no!
>
> Something has broken off the Germania! A wheel! The Germania goes down!
> The wheel speeds underfoot the team of the Prima Lux! Antropophagus
> falls backwards in the currus, the pole and yolk fly into the air, the
> yolk horses are reared up on their hind legs and the trace horses have
> tumbled to the dirt!
>
> Prima Lux's team struggles to keep afoot! Vitus appears to be saying
> something to them! The trace horse on the left begins to fall but the
> other three are pulling in the opposite direction led by the right trace
> horse lifting the golden chestnut stallion back to his feet!
>
>
>
> Thundering past into first place is the Consul's Drunas, Nervia is
> laughing loudly at the fallen Germania! She is followed a length behind
> by Tempestas Noctis; both chariots making a wide berth around the
> stricken quadrigae on the outside!
>
> The crowd is roaring!!! The stands are a mass of White and Blue! Great
> reddish clouds trail the two leading chariots as they race onto the turn
> before the final stretch!
>
>
>
> The Germania is out but will the Prima Lux be able to catch up?
>
> Anthropophagus just jumped from the downed Germania and is tending to
> his frightened horses with care. In a flash of human speed Vitus leaves
> the Prima Lux running towards his hot-bloods, his wounded Stallion is
> standing but he is clearly unable to run the race. Vitus takes a moment
> to examine him than runs towards Antrophagus.
>
> Is there going to be a fight? The crowd calls for blood! Many of the
> Albata feel they have been cheated of a victory! Soldiers are on alert!
>
>
>
> Wait folks, he is tying the Germania's team to the back of his
> chariot with Antrophagus upon one of the steeds then climbs back into
> the Prima Lux and urges his horses into an easy jog towards the finish
> line.
>
>
>
> Tempestas Noctis takes advantage of the distraction and being on the
> inside Nicodemus the Thracian begins to push the Drunas in attempt to
> send her wide, he is shouting "potas currere, sed te occulare none
> potes"! But Nervia is smiling and makes a rude gesture with her
> finger towards him! She shouts something to her team and they speed
> forward taking the lead and the win, by two lengths!
>
>
>
> ALBATA'S DRUNAS WINS THE FIRST QUARTERFINAL!!!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS
> CONSUL ALBUCIUS!!!!
>
>
>
> Tempestas Noctis comes in an impressive second!
>
> Prima Lux is in third place and the Germania is fourth – the crowd
> cheers for the two Charioteers who ran a noble race!
>
> The crowds are insane! Security is heavy; the air is filled with White
> and Blue confetti, pom poms and flags!
>
> Albucius races to Nervia and lifts her into the air where she is borne
> by many strong arms and carried about!
>
> Loud shouts from Æternia are heard as she and her friends run to
> Nicodemus the Thracian! Æternia tosses blue flower petals over the
> Thracian's head and places a rare black linen cloak about his
> shoulders!
>
>
>
> After a few reassuring mutual embraces Julia Aquila assists Vitus in
> examining the stallions as this appears to be their main concern. Brutus
> likewise assists Anthropophagus, who is visibly disappointed and
> can't stop from glaring over at Nervia who is completely ignoring
> him.
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: Oh enough already Concha, "as the screw turns"
> Lady Luck has made her choice and our two winners Consul Albucius'
> Drunas and Rogatrix St. Cornelia Æternia will go onto the
> semi-finals. The others are out, out and out. Better luck next year!
> Bah!!! *laughs loudly*
>
> Congratulations to the Albata and Venata!
>
> Congratulations to Consul Albucius and to Rogatrix Æternia whose
> chariots go onto the semifinals!
>
>
>
> Now my dear Concha I see Rota, and his fine wife Sonja, bringing in some
> fresh culinary delights for the Intermessio and the show is about to
> begin! I see they are also setting up a booth for you to ply your wares
> *his lips curl in a lascivious grin eyeing her shining raven locks and
> the way the pale red fabric of her frock stretches across her hips* I
> meanÂ… to sellÂ… your luxurious fabrics! I understand your
> designers created many of the dancers costumes as well asÂ… ermÂ…
> servicing those people of Rome who are searching for something a cut
> above the rest!
>
>
>
> *The huge monitor begins showing clothing of exquisite design and
> fabrics surrounded by picture within picture of the activity at the
> stables, the vendors, the stands, the pulvinar and other advertisements.
> The clothing is moved to the side and in the center a replay of the race
> is greeted with loud shouts and cheers*
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: Come Concha, let us go down into the crowds before I
> am tempted to stay here and partake of what is left and indulge in a few
> of the servitors for dessert!
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: *rests her arm on Fannius* Yes I had better get you
> out of here before that dour face guard sticks you with his pilum.
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: *as they walk to the stairway Fannius mumbles to her*
> My dear Concha, it is not I he wants to stick with his pilum, you have
> ignored him in totality and this is why he is so dour!
>
>
>
> ************************************************************************\
> ***
>
>
>
> Until the Second QuarterfinalÂ…valete optime!
>
> Narratio resumeturÂ…
>
> To be continuedÂ…
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80575 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Salve et Salvete Omnes:


Second? Why I never.... It's okay Consul, Veneta is still in this race and we are in it to win it.


Behold, look around and see the vast color of SeaBlue in the crowd.


Go Team Veneta, The Bold, The Brave and The True!!!!


YAY NICODEMUS!!

Vale et Valete,
Sta. Aeternia (waving her fuzzy pom-poms)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80576 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Salve Omnes:

Echoing the Consul's sentiments, I also wish to congratulate all the Chariots, Charioteers, and all who are particpating and making this Ludi a smashing success..


Vale Optime,
Statia Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Aedilis et omnes,
>
> Even if it is just one victory and that many defeats may follow, I see as a particular good omen that my chariot won the inaugural race of our Ludi romani, under the protection of dea Minerva and after carefully led opening rituals.
>
> Apparently, our gods are more clement with my action and their consular servant than our religious institutions. Such an omen reinforces me in my public duties.
>
> Congratulations to all chariots, auriges (do not read pls "augures"), and owners!
>
> Vale et omnes,
>
>
> Albucius cos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > EX OFFICIO AEDILIS P. ANNAEI L. IVLIAE
> >
> > L. Iulia Aquila omnibus civibus S.P.D.
> >
> > Welcome to the First Quarterfinal!
> >
> > This day of the Ludi is dedicated to Minerva.
> >
> > I am pleased to offer you a prayer to Minerva composed by Quaestrix
> > Maria Caeca:
> >
> > To Minerva, an offering of words
> >
> > Minerva, glorious and terrible
> > In your wisdom and your might
> > Whose sword Cleves ignorance,
> > Whose shield is truth,
> >
> > Guide us in our wanderings
> > That we may come to understanding.
> > Guide us in our words,
> > That we may speak with reason and clarity.
> > Fill our minds with your radiance,
> > That we may learn to be wise,
> > Pierce our hearts, with wisdom's truth
> > That we may always honor you,
> > And count your gifts as the truest treasure.
> >
> > C. Maria Caeca, 10/06/2010
> >
> >
> >
> > Let the Ludi Circenses Begin!!!!
> >
> >
> > ************************************************************************\
> > **********************
> >
> > C. CLODIA CONCHA: Avete Quirites, Amici et Inimici! This is your
> > commentor Cardia Clodia Concha filling in for our Mistress of
> > Ceremonies, L. Julia Aquila who is not only performing her duties as
> > Curule Aedile but has a chariot entered in this first quarterfinal of
> > the Ludi Romani 2763! With me this morning in the broadcast booth is
> > local celebrity Faustus Fannius Felix who has so generously donated the
> > new stadium monitor you see overhead, over the officium.
> >
> >
> >
> > F. FANNIUS FELIX: That baby is 180 feet wide by 50 ft tall my love!
> >
> >
> >
> > C. CLODIA CONCHA: "Concha" to you big boy! What wonderful
> > weather we have this morning, it is a cool 65 depress and very sunny
> > with just enough of a breeze to remind us it is fall! The Circus is
> > packed! I see this morning's Pompa Circensis filing in, the
> > Magistrates and other high officials follow after the Curule Aediles
> > – dozens of young girls and boys sprinkling trillions of white
> > flowers about as if it were snowing, I can smell their sweet scent all
> > the way up here! Gardenias! Magnificent! Placidus looks dashing in his
> > Toga Praetexta and Julia Aquila lovely in a white tunica and palla both
> > are sporting a wide purple stripe on the border of their respective
> > garments. Placidus just announced free food and drink after ritual
> > courtesy of the Annaea. Oh the wonderful scents of the food coming off
> > the many carts being pulled into position! The wine will be flowing I am
> > sure!
> >
> >
> >
> > F. FANNIUS FELIX: I only hope, last year we had Falernian, surely they
> > will not forget us.
> >
> >
> >
> > C. CLODIA CONCHA:*rolls her eyes with attitude and flicks her hand
> > towards the door as servants begin to place heavily laden trays of
> > various delights and various beverages, including Falernian, upon the
> > banquet table*
> >
> > Citizens and visitors to great Rome what a pompa circensis on this first
> > day of the races! Following our Magistrates and Religious officials are
> > the charioteers in their vestis quadrigaria representing their teams,
> > their gleaming standards held close by their standard bearers,
> > musicians, dancing girls, fire eaters, mimes and actors galore! The
> > plaustra is joining the pompa, carrying the mystically enchanting images
> > of the Gods to their places, and what is that I see?
> >
> > *she leans closer, her deep ebon eyes focus in on a splendid site*
> >
> > Oh by the Great Gods! Magnificent tiny bronze chariots each borne by a
> > tiny white pony with shaggy manes and tails carrying ornate statues of
> > Cybele and Neptune and Iuppiter and Minerva! The esteemed Senators are
> > entering the pulvinar; their skyboxes. Consul Quintilianus looking well,
> > one of his prize Salukis at his side and a fine looking woman at his
> > other side is joined by his filius, Censor Modianus.
> >
> >
> >
> > F. FANNIUS FELIX: Yes, the Consul is a fine judge of horseflesh, and of
> > women as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > C. CLODIA CONCHA: *her eyes flash a fiery warning towards Fannius and
> > she whispers away from the mike*
> >
> > I warn you Fauste Fanni, do not embarrass me or I shall serve your
> > precious parts to my swine
> >
> > *she bares her ultra white teeth towards him in a chilling smile and
> > announces to the crowd*
> >
> > Yes, he is a fine man, as both Consules are!
> >
> >
> >
> > F. FANNIUS FELIX: *mutters under his breath before taking a long draught
> > of wine* Evil woman, evil cantankerous womanÂ…
> >
> >
> >
> > C. CLODIA CONCHA: Omnes at the pulvinar we see Consul Albucius and his
> > family settle in his box as more Senators file in. There is our esteemed
> > Marinus and his family, accompanied by Julia Aquila's grandson M.
> > Iulius Aquila who is sitting beside him. I wonder if young Iulius Aquila
> > will join Julia in the Aediles' skybox to watch her chariot's
> > race. I see her by the stables speaking to her good friend Petronius
> > Dexter, both are laughing, if only she would have worn a mike we could
> > eavesdrop!
> >
> > Over there in the pulvinar, next to the lovely Aedilis Plebis Enodia and
> > the fair Merula, is the captivating Rogatrix Æternia who seems to be
> > taking small black rectangular objects from Senatores Sulla and Cato and
> > slipping them into the folds of her deep brown cloak, ignoring their
> > protests. She is flashing a dark and dazzling smile of warning at them
> > as they take their seats.
> >
> > *Clodia waves at Palladius* Senator Palladius is here as well, he has
> > traveled some way from the country – oh but look, here comes Censor
> > Sabinus and family! There is another from the North country, eh? None
> > other than Caesar! And Severus from the South! So many of Julia's
> > cousins are in Rome for this Ludi, Villa Iulia will be packed with
> > guests, but the Gods know it is big enough! A star studded Pulvinar for
> > sure! Perusianus, Leanas, Maior, Paulinus and many others as well!
> >
> >
> >
> > F. FANNIUS FELIX: *waves at Petronius* Hrumpf there are also notables in
> > the stands where the reg'lar people are! Yo! There are Octavius
> > Priscus and Livia Ocella making their way to the top of the bleachers,
> > both are new to Rome! Decia Scriptrix and Iulia Agrippa are looking
> > radiant, very beautiful, and seated next to them I see Crispus, a hard
> > working young man who brings common sense to our Forum and who has
> > worked hard to bring this Ludi to you, as both those esteemed Matrons
> > have. I know I am not alone in saying that I wish Crispus was less
> > vigilant in the forum – a good dirty violent fight is needed to
> > clear the air sometimes!
> >
> > *Concha throws one of Rota's stuffed dates at Fannius's head and
> > cast an even more evil eye at him, he shrugs without wiping the vestiges
> > of the delicacy from the side of his forehead and continues in a more
> > officious tone*
> >
> > With everything in place the Ritual to Minerva is about to begin,
> > Camilla Maria Caeca, Sacerdos Iovis Corvus, Pontifex Lentulus, Flamen
> > Portunalis Petronius, Augur Agricola and other Sacerdotes, Pontifices,
> > Pontifex Maximus Piscinus and the Curule Aediles are beginning the
> > ritual now, they have just called for silentum.
> >
> >
> >
> > *The broadcast box goes silent for the duration of the ritual to
> > Minerva*
> >
> >
> >
> > SALUTATIO
> >
> > "Hail Minerva and all You immortal Gods above! Why not arouse
> > Yourself and graciously attend the ceremonies that we hold in Your honor
> > with Your divine presence."
> >
> >
> >
> > INVOCATIO
> >
> > "Proud, warlike Goddess, great honor and wisdom of Your Father,
> > powerful in war are You, on whom the grim helmet is borne with its
> > frightful decoration, hear me, Minerva. Listen. Gods and Goddesses of
> > our ancestors, You who cherish this City and these sacred groves,
> > listen. Gods of our forefathers, I make this offering of incense to You
> > and pray with good prayers that You will look kindly and favorably upon
> > us and our children, on our houses and on our households."
> >
> >
> >
> > SACRIFICATIO
> >
> > "To Minerva and the Gods deservedly I give thanks. Minerva, look
> > down and preserve us, I do beseech you by your good genius. Come forth!
> > We wish for You."
> >
> > "Minerva, we come before You this day with open hearts, pure and
> > chaste. By these offerings we seek to honor You. Hear us, O Minerva,
> > and may You honor us this day with your presence. As You have so often
> > before, so now accept these offerings and bless our civitas. Never has
> > Mars or Bellona with Her battle spear inspired more ardent calls to arms
> > on the war trumpets than You, Minerva. May You with Your nod accept
> > this sacrificial offering. Accept our libations and send upon us Your
> > kind thoughts. May You grant Nova Roma concord and a richness of
> > life!"
> >
> > "Minerva, to You we make this offering of incense and pray that You
> > will look kindly and favorably upon us, upon our children, on our homes
> > and our households."
> >
> >
> >
> > LITATIO
> >
> > "Minerva, may You be strengthened by this libation, may You be
> > honored by this milk. In You, Minerva, in Your hands do we place our
> > safekeeping."
> >
> >
> >
> > PERLITATIO
> >
> > "No more, Minerva most chaste, do I ask of You today; it is
> > enough."
> >
> > "Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you,
> > cultores Deorum, and wish you happiness in all that is good."
> >
> > "May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > C. CLODIA CONCHA: A very beautiful ritual, a breathtaking sight to
> > behold!
> >
> >
> >
> > F. FANNIUS FELIX: *licking his fingers, the side of his face now clean
> > and a heaping plate of food before him*
> >
> > And now Quirites, Socii, Peregrinisque the quadrigae are parading around
> > the track, the noise from the crowds is deafening! The stands are a sea
> > of Red, White and Blue flagsÂ…andÂ…erÂ…Pom Poms, those damn Pom
> > Poms again this year!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > *While the crowd works it way into a loud frenzy of song, shouting and
> > colors waving, he shouts over to a servant boy*
> >
> > Cover those sausages I don't want that sparkly stuff getting into
> > them again this ludi!
> >
> > *he releases a loud hardy laugh* Sorry omnes but I need my strength to
> > fend myself against the Valkyrie I share a box with.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Fannius can feel the heat of her eyes boring into his skull and downs a
> > full glass of wine before continuing*
> >
> > For the first race this Ludi, in post position, is Veneta's
> > Tempestas Noctis driven by Nicodemus the Thracian and is owned by St.
> > Cornelia Æternia, next is Albata's Drunas, driven by Nervia and
> > owned by Consul Albucius. In third position is Russata's Germania
> > driven by Antropophagus owned by D. Arm. Brutus, next on the outside, is
> > Albata's Prima Lux driven by Vitus and owned by Curule Aedile, the
> > exquisite Julia Aquila, Domina of the Albata.
> >
> >
> >
> > The quadrigae have returned to the carceres behind the gates!
> >
> > The trumpets sound!
> >
> > From her Magistrates box, Aedilis Curules Julia Aquila drops the mappa
> > and they are off!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > *Jumping from his chair the girth of Fannius follows with ease as he
> > grasps the edge of the announcers box excitedly shouting*
> >
> > Straight out the gate Albata's Prima Lux and Russata's Germania
> > surge forward to gain place nearest the inside – what speed those
> > steeds have! I only hope they are not wearing them out too early to gain
> > an advantage!
> >
> > Close on the heels of their dust Albata's Drunas driven by the
> > fierce Nervia maneuvers to make sure that Veneta's Tempestas Noctis
> > makes no gains.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Nervia shouts in a booming voice to Anthropophagus `futue te ipsum
> > et caballum in quo vectus est!'*
> >
> >
> >
> > Hm, I thought the Consul was going to talk to her after last Ludi *He
> > grins cunningly* I am glad it did not sink in; she is swiftly pushing
> > aside the Germania.
> >
> > Whoa, whatÂ… look! Albata's Vitus is taking the Prima Lux well in
> > the lead, by at least a length; the flaxen manes of his golden chestnut
> > stallions give the air of demigods carrying their fine-looking passenger
> > towards Mt. Olympus itself! But our candidate for demi-goddess Nervia is
> > not to be outdone, her magnificent team is close on the tail of the
> > newcomer and her eyes are shooting spears of lightening! As they go into
> > the second lap it is Albata's Prima Lux in first followed by
> > Albata's Drunas, Russata's Germania and Veneta's Tempestas
> > Noctis!
> >
> >
> >
> > C. CLODIA CONCHA: Vitus is very focused but he does flash a magnanimous
> > smile to the ladies now and again, did you notice he almost matches his
> > horses, his hair is a golden chestnut with flaxen streaks? Oh those
> > muscles!
> >
> >
> >
> > F. FANNIUS FELIX: The race my dear, I mean ConchaÂ… *laughs heartily
> > as she smiles back at him*
> >
> >
> >
> > C. CLODIA CONCHA: As they enter the second turn Albata's Vitus is
> > clearly in the lead, his horses do not seemed taxed at all by Albata
> > Nervia's attempts to push him into the spina! A tussle between the
> > two is ensuing as they race at incredible speeds. The whips come out;
> > the tip of Nervia's whip grazes the flank of one of Prima Lux's
> > stallions! Vitus scowls and shouts something at Nervia and with a slight
> > maneuver of his chariot he sends the Drunas wide! Veneta's Tempestas
> > Noctis and Russata's Germania take advantage of the Drunas
> > misfortune and race in its place, both neck to neck, both Nicodemus the
> > Thracian and Antropophagus are intensely focused on passing each other.
> > As they make the turn into the third lap it is Prima Lux in first,
> > Tempestas Noctis and Germania both tied in second, nose to nose and
> > Druna last but coming up fast and furious!
> >
> >
> >
> > There seems to be no reason for any tactics at this point although Prima
> > Lux is supporting an even pace, conserving just enough energy to stay
> > ahead of the pack and the clear favorite as the Albata swarm from the
> > stands to loudly cheer him on. The crowd bellows, Brutus is shouting and
> > waving red flags as Germania passes Tempestas Noctis and is firmly in
> > second place. With the Nervia's whip working overtime, the Drunas
> > overtakes the Tempestas Noctis pushing it from the outside almost into
> > the rear of the Germania placing third as they race towards the 4th and
> > final lap! The crowds are screaming! Albucius is shouting, both arms in
> > the air waving white flags!
> >
> >
> >
> > F. FANNIUS FELIX: By Iuppiter's whatsis! The Drunas is surging
> > ahead, what a woman that Nervia is! If I get drunk enough I may ask for
> > her hand! Close behind is the muscle bound Thracian, Nicodemus who is
> > swiftly closing the gap with Tempestas Noctis and staying close to the
> > spina, still in fourth place in the last lap. Drunas is challenging
> > Germania but Germania holds on to its swift focused pace while blocking
> > the moves of Tempestas Noctis – what a driver, surrounded by those
> > who wish to make him fail! Nervia shouting all sorts of curses at him!
> > We can only guess what is on her mind but she seems so determined!
> >
> > With a shout to his horses Anthropophagus' steeds fly towards first
> > place leaving Drunas and Tempestas Noctis behind him! Germania and
> > Prima Lux are neck to neck! What is this, a small smile blooms on the
> > face of the handsomely rugged Vitus; his lips form words unheard to us
> > and his steeds pick up speed with an ease as if they are spawns of
> > Pegasus himself! The stallions appear to floating!
> >
> >
> >
> > Julia Aquila is hugging her arms close to her body and appears to be
> > softly jumping in place! The Albata and her friends Marinus, Maria, and
> > Scholastica amongst them surround her; even the Veneta's Petronius
> > is by her side!
> >
> >
> >
> > What is that?!? A loud crack and snap just resounded throughout the
> > circus, *Fannius points and looks at the huge monitor* the leading
> > horses are nervously turning their ears sideways!
> >
> > The crowd is shouting something urgent and unintelligible to Vitus!
> >
> >
> >
> > C. CLODIA CONCHA: No! Oh no!
> >
> > Something has broken off the Germania! A wheel! The Germania goes down!
> > The wheel speeds underfoot the team of the Prima Lux! Antropophagus
> > falls backwards in the currus, the pole and yolk fly into the air, the
> > yolk horses are reared up on their hind legs and the trace horses have
> > tumbled to the dirt!
> >
> > Prima Lux's team struggles to keep afoot! Vitus appears to be saying
> > something to them! The trace horse on the left begins to fall but the
> > other three are pulling in the opposite direction led by the right trace
> > horse lifting the golden chestnut stallion back to his feet!
> >
> >
> >
> > Thundering past into first place is the Consul's Drunas, Nervia is
> > laughing loudly at the fallen Germania! She is followed a length behind
> > by Tempestas Noctis; both chariots making a wide berth around the
> > stricken quadrigae on the outside!
> >
> > The crowd is roaring!!! The stands are a mass of White and Blue! Great
> > reddish clouds trail the two leading chariots as they race onto the turn
> > before the final stretch!
> >
> >
> >
> > The Germania is out but will the Prima Lux be able to catch up?
> >
> > Anthropophagus just jumped from the downed Germania and is tending to
> > his frightened horses with care. In a flash of human speed Vitus leaves
> > the Prima Lux running towards his hot-bloods, his wounded Stallion is
> > standing but he is clearly unable to run the race. Vitus takes a moment
> > to examine him than runs towards Antrophagus.
> >
> > Is there going to be a fight? The crowd calls for blood! Many of the
> > Albata feel they have been cheated of a victory! Soldiers are on alert!
> >
> >
> >
> > Wait folks, he is tying the Germania's team to the back of his
> > chariot with Antrophagus upon one of the steeds then climbs back into
> > the Prima Lux and urges his horses into an easy jog towards the finish
> > line.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tempestas Noctis takes advantage of the distraction and being on the
> > inside Nicodemus the Thracian begins to push the Drunas in attempt to
> > send her wide, he is shouting "potas currere, sed te occulare none
> > potes"! But Nervia is smiling and makes a rude gesture with her
> > finger towards him! She shouts something to her team and they speed
> > forward taking the lead and the win, by two lengths!
> >
> >
> >
> > ALBATA'S DRUNAS WINS THE FIRST QUARTERFINAL!!!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS
> > CONSUL ALBUCIUS!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Tempestas Noctis comes in an impressive second!
> >
> > Prima Lux is in third place and the Germania is fourth – the crowd
> > cheers for the two Charioteers who ran a noble race!
> >
> > The crowds are insane! Security is heavy; the air is filled with White
> > and Blue confetti, pom poms and flags!
> >
> > Albucius races to Nervia and lifts her into the air where she is borne
> > by many strong arms and carried about!
> >
> > Loud shouts from Æternia are heard as she and her friends run to
> > Nicodemus the Thracian! Æternia tosses blue flower petals over the
> > Thracian's head and places a rare black linen cloak about his
> > shoulders!
> >
> >
> >
> > After a few reassuring mutual embraces Julia Aquila assists Vitus in
> > examining the stallions as this appears to be their main concern. Brutus
> > likewise assists Anthropophagus, who is visibly disappointed and
> > can't stop from glaring over at Nervia who is completely ignoring
> > him.
> >
> >
> >
> > F. FANNIUS FELIX: Oh enough already Concha, "as the screw turns"
> > Lady Luck has made her choice and our two winners Consul Albucius'
> > Drunas and Rogatrix St. Cornelia Æternia will go onto the
> > semi-finals. The others are out, out and out. Better luck next year!
> > Bah!!! *laughs loudly*
> >
> > Congratulations to the Albata and Venata!
> >
> > Congratulations to Consul Albucius and to Rogatrix Æternia whose
> > chariots go onto the semifinals!
> >
> >
> >
> > Now my dear Concha I see Rota, and his fine wife Sonja, bringing in some
> > fresh culinary delights for the Intermessio and the show is about to
> > begin! I see they are also setting up a booth for you to ply your wares
> > *his lips curl in a lascivious grin eyeing her shining raven locks and
> > the way the pale red fabric of her frock stretches across her hips* I
> > meanÂ… to sellÂ… your luxurious fabrics! I understand your
> > designers created many of the dancers costumes as well asÂ… ermÂ…
> > servicing those people of Rome who are searching for something a cut
> > above the rest!
> >
> >
> >
> > *The huge monitor begins showing clothing of exquisite design and
> > fabrics surrounded by picture within picture of the activity at the
> > stables, the vendors, the stands, the pulvinar and other advertisements.
> > The clothing is moved to the side and in the center a replay of the race
> > is greeted with loud shouts and cheers*
> >
> >
> >
> > F. FANNIUS FELIX: Come Concha, let us go down into the crowds before I
> > am tempted to stay here and partake of what is left and indulge in a few
> > of the servitors for dessert!
> >
> >
> >
> > C. CLODIA CONCHA: *rests her arm on Fannius* Yes I had better get you
> > out of here before that dour face guard sticks you with his pilum.
> >
> >
> >
> > F. FANNIUS FELIX: *as they walk to the stairway Fannius mumbles to her*
> > My dear Concha, it is not I he wants to stick with his pilum, you have
> > ignored him in totality and this is why he is so dour!
> >
> >
> >
> > ************************************************************************\
> > ***
> >
> >
> >
> > Until the Second QuarterfinalÂ…valete optime!
> >
> > Narratio resumeturÂ…
> >
> > To be continuedÂ…
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80577 From: jeancourdant Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Salve Caeca,

May the gods speed your chariot to the finish line!

Go Albata Go!

Vale,

Gaius Octavius Priscus


> L. Iulia Aquila omnibus civibus S.P.D.
>
> Welcome to the First Quarterfinal!
>
> This day of the Ludi is dedicated to Minerva.
>
> I am pleased to offer you a prayer to Minerva composed by Quaestrix
> Maria Caeca:
>
> To Minerva, an offering of words
>
> Minerva, glorious and terrible
> In your wisdom and your might
> Whose sword Cleves ignorance,
> Whose shield is truth,
>
> Guide us in our wanderings
> That we may come to understanding.
> Guide us in our words,
> That we may speak with reason and clarity.
> Fill our minds with your radiance,
> That we may learn to be wise,
> Pierce our hearts, with wisdom's truth
> That we may always honor you,
> And count your gifts as the truest treasure.
>
> C. Maria Caeca, 10/06/2010
>
>
>
> Let the Ludi Circenses Begin!!!!
>
>
> ************************************************************************\
> **********************
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: Avete Quirites, Amici et Inimici! This is your
> commentor Cardia Clodia Concha filling in for our Mistress of
> Ceremonies, L. Julia Aquila who is not only performing her duties as
> Curule Aedile but has a chariot entered in this first quarterfinal of
> the Ludi Romani 2763! With me this morning in the broadcast booth is
> local celebrity Faustus Fannius Felix who has so generously donated the
> new stadium monitor you see overhead, over the officium.
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: That baby is 180 feet wide by 50 ft tall my love!
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: "Concha" to you big boy! What wonderful
> weather we have this morning, it is a cool 65 depress and very sunny
> with just enough of a breeze to remind us it is fall! The Circus is
> packed! I see this morning's Pompa Circensis filing in, the
> Magistrates and other high officials follow after the Curule Aediles
> – dozens of young girls and boys sprinkling trillions of white
> flowers about as if it were snowing, I can smell their sweet scent all
> the way up here! Gardenias! Magnificent! Placidus looks dashing in his
> Toga Praetexta and Julia Aquila lovely in a white tunica and palla both
> are sporting a wide purple stripe on the border of their respective
> garments. Placidus just announced free food and drink after ritual
> courtesy of the Annaea. Oh the wonderful scents of the food coming off
> the many carts being pulled into position! The wine will be flowing I am
> sure!
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: I only hope, last year we had Falernian, surely they
> will not forget us.
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA:*rolls her eyes with attitude and flicks her hand
> towards the door as servants begin to place heavily laden trays of
> various delights and various beverages, including Falernian, upon the
> banquet table*
>
> Citizens and visitors to great Rome what a pompa circensis on this first
> day of the races! Following our Magistrates and Religious officials are
> the charioteers in their vestis quadrigaria representing their teams,
> their gleaming standards held close by their standard bearers,
> musicians, dancing girls, fire eaters, mimes and actors galore! The
> plaustra is joining the pompa, carrying the mystically enchanting images
> of the Gods to their places, and what is that I see?
>
> *she leans closer, her deep ebon eyes focus in on a splendid site*
>
> Oh by the Great Gods! Magnificent tiny bronze chariots each borne by a
> tiny white pony with shaggy manes and tails carrying ornate statues of
> Cybele and Neptune and Iuppiter and Minerva! The esteemed Senators are
> entering the pulvinar; their skyboxes. Consul Quintilianus looking well,
> one of his prize Salukis at his side and a fine looking woman at his
> other side is joined by his filius, Censor Modianus.
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: Yes, the Consul is a fine judge of horseflesh, and of
> women as well.
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: *her eyes flash a fiery warning towards Fannius and
> she whispers away from the mike*
>
> I warn you Fauste Fanni, do not embarrass me or I shall serve your
> precious parts to my swine
>
> *she bares her ultra white teeth towards him in a chilling smile and
> announces to the crowd*
>
> Yes, he is a fine man, as both Consules are!
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: *mutters under his breath before taking a long draught
> of wine* Evil woman, evil cantankerous womanÂ…
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: Omnes at the pulvinar we see Consul Albucius and his
> family settle in his box as more Senators file in. There is our esteemed
> Marinus and his family, accompanied by Julia Aquila's grandson M.
> Iulius Aquila who is sitting beside him. I wonder if young Iulius Aquila
> will join Julia in the Aediles' skybox to watch her chariot's
> race. I see her by the stables speaking to her good friend Petronius
> Dexter, both are laughing, if only she would have worn a mike we could
> eavesdrop!
>
> Over there in the pulvinar, next to the lovely Aedilis Plebis Enodia and
> the fair Merula, is the captivating Rogatrix Æternia who seems to be
> taking small black rectangular objects from Senatores Sulla and Cato and
> slipping them into the folds of her deep brown cloak, ignoring their
> protests. She is flashing a dark and dazzling smile of warning at them
> as they take their seats.
>
> *Clodia waves at Palladius* Senator Palladius is here as well, he has
> traveled some way from the country – oh but look, here comes Censor
> Sabinus and family! There is another from the North country, eh? None
> other than Caesar! And Severus from the South! So many of Julia's
> cousins are in Rome for this Ludi, Villa Iulia will be packed with
> guests, but the Gods know it is big enough! A star studded Pulvinar for
> sure! Perusianus, Leanas, Maior, Paulinus and many others as well!
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: *waves at Petronius* Hrumpf there are also notables in
> the stands where the reg'lar people are! Yo! There are Octavius
> Priscus and Livia Ocella making their way to the top of the bleachers,
> both are new to Rome! Decia Scriptrix and Iulia Agrippa are looking
> radiant, very beautiful, and seated next to them I see Crispus, a hard
> working young man who brings common sense to our Forum and who has
> worked hard to bring this Ludi to you, as both those esteemed Matrons
> have. I know I am not alone in saying that I wish Crispus was less
> vigilant in the forum – a good dirty violent fight is needed to
> clear the air sometimes!
>
> *Concha throws one of Rota's stuffed dates at Fannius's head and
> cast an even more evil eye at him, he shrugs without wiping the vestiges
> of the delicacy from the side of his forehead and continues in a more
> officious tone*
>
> With everything in place the Ritual to Minerva is about to begin,
> Camilla Maria Caeca, Sacerdos Iovis Corvus, Pontifex Lentulus, Flamen
> Portunalis Petronius, Augur Agricola and other Sacerdotes, Pontifices,
> Pontifex Maximus Piscinus and the Curule Aediles are beginning the
> ritual now, they have just called for silentum.
>
>
>
> *The broadcast box goes silent for the duration of the ritual to
> Minerva*
>
>
>
> SALUTATIO
>
> "Hail Minerva and all You immortal Gods above! Why not arouse
> Yourself and graciously attend the ceremonies that we hold in Your honor
> with Your divine presence."
>
>
>
> INVOCATIO
>
> "Proud, warlike Goddess, great honor and wisdom of Your Father,
> powerful in war are You, on whom the grim helmet is borne with its
> frightful decoration, hear me, Minerva. Listen. Gods and Goddesses of
> our ancestors, You who cherish this City and these sacred groves,
> listen. Gods of our forefathers, I make this offering of incense to You
> and pray with good prayers that You will look kindly and favorably upon
> us and our children, on our houses and on our households."
>
>
>
> SACRIFICATIO
>
> "To Minerva and the Gods deservedly I give thanks. Minerva, look
> down and preserve us, I do beseech you by your good genius. Come forth!
> We wish for You."
>
> "Minerva, we come before You this day with open hearts, pure and
> chaste. By these offerings we seek to honor You. Hear us, O Minerva,
> and may You honor us this day with your presence. As You have so often
> before, so now accept these offerings and bless our civitas. Never has
> Mars or Bellona with Her battle spear inspired more ardent calls to arms
> on the war trumpets than You, Minerva. May You with Your nod accept
> this sacrificial offering. Accept our libations and send upon us Your
> kind thoughts. May You grant Nova Roma concord and a richness of
> life!"
>
> "Minerva, to You we make this offering of incense and pray that You
> will look kindly and favorably upon us, upon our children, on our homes
> and our households."
>
>
>
> LITATIO
>
> "Minerva, may You be strengthened by this libation, may You be
> honored by this milk. In You, Minerva, in Your hands do we place our
> safekeeping."
>
>
>
> PERLITATIO
>
> "No more, Minerva most chaste, do I ask of You today; it is
> enough."
>
> "Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you,
> cultores Deorum, and wish you happiness in all that is good."
>
> "May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious."
>
>
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: A very beautiful ritual, a breathtaking sight to
> behold!
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: *licking his fingers, the side of his face now clean
> and a heaping plate of food before him*
>
> And now Quirites, Socii, Peregrinisque the quadrigae are parading around
> the track, the noise from the crowds is deafening! The stands are a sea
> of Red, White and Blue flagsÂ…andÂ…erÂ…Pom Poms, those damn Pom
> Poms again this year!!!!
>
>
>
> *While the crowd works it way into a loud frenzy of song, shouting and
> colors waving, he shouts over to a servant boy*
>
> Cover those sausages I don't want that sparkly stuff getting into
> them again this ludi!
>
> *he releases a loud hardy laugh* Sorry omnes but I need my strength to
> fend myself against the Valkyrie I share a box with.
>
>
>
> *Fannius can feel the heat of her eyes boring into his skull and downs a
> full glass of wine before continuing*
>
> For the first race this Ludi, in post position, is Veneta's
> Tempestas Noctis driven by Nicodemus the Thracian and is owned by St.
> Cornelia Æternia, next is Albata's Drunas, driven by Nervia and
> owned by Consul Albucius. In third position is Russata's Germania
> driven by Antropophagus owned by D. Arm. Brutus, next on the outside, is
> Albata's Prima Lux driven by Vitus and owned by Curule Aedile, the
> exquisite Julia Aquila, Domina of the Albata.
>
>
>
> The quadrigae have returned to the carceres behind the gates!
>
> The trumpets sound!
>
> From her Magistrates box, Aedilis Curules Julia Aquila drops the mappa
> and they are off!!!!
>
>
>
> *Jumping from his chair the girth of Fannius follows with ease as he
> grasps the edge of the announcers box excitedly shouting*
>
> Straight out the gate Albata's Prima Lux and Russata's Germania
> surge forward to gain place nearest the inside – what speed those
> steeds have! I only hope they are not wearing them out too early to gain
> an advantage!
>
> Close on the heels of their dust Albata's Drunas driven by the
> fierce Nervia maneuvers to make sure that Veneta's Tempestas Noctis
> makes no gains.
>
>
>
> *Nervia shouts in a booming voice to Anthropophagus `futue te ipsum
> et caballum in quo vectus est!'*
>
>
>
> Hm, I thought the Consul was going to talk to her after last Ludi *He
> grins cunningly* I am glad it did not sink in; she is swiftly pushing
> aside the Germania.
>
> Whoa, whatÂ… look! Albata's Vitus is taking the Prima Lux well in
> the lead, by at least a length; the flaxen manes of his golden chestnut
> stallions give the air of demigods carrying their fine-looking passenger
> towards Mt. Olympus itself! But our candidate for demi-goddess Nervia is
> not to be outdone, her magnificent team is close on the tail of the
> newcomer and her eyes are shooting spears of lightening! As they go into
> the second lap it is Albata's Prima Lux in first followed by
> Albata's Drunas, Russata's Germania and Veneta's Tempestas
> Noctis!
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: Vitus is very focused but he does flash a magnanimous
> smile to the ladies now and again, did you notice he almost matches his
> horses, his hair is a golden chestnut with flaxen streaks? Oh those
> muscles!
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: The race my dear, I mean ConchaÂ… *laughs heartily
> as she smiles back at him*
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: As they enter the second turn Albata's Vitus is
> clearly in the lead, his horses do not seemed taxed at all by Albata
> Nervia's attempts to push him into the spina! A tussle between the
> two is ensuing as they race at incredible speeds. The whips come out;
> the tip of Nervia's whip grazes the flank of one of Prima Lux's
> stallions! Vitus scowls and shouts something at Nervia and with a slight
> maneuver of his chariot he sends the Drunas wide! Veneta's Tempestas
> Noctis and Russata's Germania take advantage of the Drunas
> misfortune and race in its place, both neck to neck, both Nicodemus the
> Thracian and Antropophagus are intensely focused on passing each other.
> As they make the turn into the third lap it is Prima Lux in first,
> Tempestas Noctis and Germania both tied in second, nose to nose and
> Druna last but coming up fast and furious!
>
>
>
> There seems to be no reason for any tactics at this point although Prima
> Lux is supporting an even pace, conserving just enough energy to stay
> ahead of the pack and the clear favorite as the Albata swarm from the
> stands to loudly cheer him on. The crowd bellows, Brutus is shouting and
> waving red flags as Germania passes Tempestas Noctis and is firmly in
> second place. With the Nervia's whip working overtime, the Drunas
> overtakes the Tempestas Noctis pushing it from the outside almost into
> the rear of the Germania placing third as they race towards the 4th and
> final lap! The crowds are screaming! Albucius is shouting, both arms in
> the air waving white flags!
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: By Iuppiter's whatsis! The Drunas is surging
> ahead, what a woman that Nervia is! If I get drunk enough I may ask for
> her hand! Close behind is the muscle bound Thracian, Nicodemus who is
> swiftly closing the gap with Tempestas Noctis and staying close to the
> spina, still in fourth place in the last lap. Drunas is challenging
> Germania but Germania holds on to its swift focused pace while blocking
> the moves of Tempestas Noctis – what a driver, surrounded by those
> who wish to make him fail! Nervia shouting all sorts of curses at him!
> We can only guess what is on her mind but she seems so determined!
>
> With a shout to his horses Anthropophagus' steeds fly towards first
> place leaving Drunas and Tempestas Noctis behind him! Germania and
> Prima Lux are neck to neck! What is this, a small smile blooms on the
> face of the handsomely rugged Vitus; his lips form words unheard to us
> and his steeds pick up speed with an ease as if they are spawns of
> Pegasus himself! The stallions appear to floating!
>
>
>
> Julia Aquila is hugging her arms close to her body and appears to be
> softly jumping in place! The Albata and her friends Marinus, Maria, and
> Scholastica amongst them surround her; even the Veneta's Petronius
> is by her side!
>
>
>
> What is that?!? A loud crack and snap just resounded throughout the
> circus, *Fannius points and looks at the huge monitor* the leading
> horses are nervously turning their ears sideways!
>
> The crowd is shouting something urgent and unintelligible to Vitus!
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: No! Oh no!
>
> Something has broken off the Germania! A wheel! The Germania goes down!
> The wheel speeds underfoot the team of the Prima Lux! Antropophagus
> falls backwards in the currus, the pole and yolk fly into the air, the
> yolk horses are reared up on their hind legs and the trace horses have
> tumbled to the dirt!
>
> Prima Lux's team struggles to keep afoot! Vitus appears to be saying
> something to them! The trace horse on the left begins to fall but the
> other three are pulling in the opposite direction led by the right trace
> horse lifting the golden chestnut stallion back to his feet!
>
>
>
> Thundering past into first place is the Consul's Drunas, Nervia is
> laughing loudly at the fallen Germania! She is followed a length behind
> by Tempestas Noctis; both chariots making a wide berth around the
> stricken quadrigae on the outside!
>
> The crowd is roaring!!! The stands are a mass of White and Blue! Great
> reddish clouds trail the two leading chariots as they race onto the turn
> before the final stretch!
>
>
>
> The Germania is out but will the Prima Lux be able to catch up?
>
> Anthropophagus just jumped from the downed Germania and is tending to
> his frightened horses with care. In a flash of human speed Vitus leaves
> the Prima Lux running towards his hot-bloods, his wounded Stallion is
> standing but he is clearly unable to run the race. Vitus takes a moment
> to examine him than runs towards Antrophagus.
>
> Is there going to be a fight? The crowd calls for blood! Many of the
> Albata feel they have been cheated of a victory! Soldiers are on alert!
>
>
>
> Wait folks, he is tying the Germania's team to the back of his
> chariot with Antrophagus upon one of the steeds then climbs back into
> the Prima Lux and urges his horses into an easy jog towards the finish
> line.
>
>
>
> Tempestas Noctis takes advantage of the distraction and being on the
> inside Nicodemus the Thracian begins to push the Drunas in attempt to
> send her wide, he is shouting "potas currere, sed te occulare none
> potes"! But Nervia is smiling and makes a rude gesture with her
> finger towards him! She shouts something to her team and they speed
> forward taking the lead and the win, by two lengths!
>
>
>
> ALBATA'S DRUNAS WINS THE FIRST QUARTERFINAL!!!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS
> CONSUL ALBUCIUS!!!!
>
>
>
> Tempestas Noctis comes in an impressive second!
>
> Prima Lux is in third place and the Germania is fourth – the crowd
> cheers for the two Charioteers who ran a noble race!
>
> The crowds are insane! Security is heavy; the air is filled with White
> and Blue confetti, pom poms and flags!
>
> Albucius races to Nervia and lifts her into the air where she is borne
> by many strong arms and carried about!
>
> Loud shouts from Æternia are heard as she and her friends run to
> Nicodemus the Thracian! Æternia tosses blue flower petals over the
> Thracian's head and places a rare black linen cloak about his
> shoulders!
>
>
>
> After a few reassuring mutual embraces Julia Aquila assists Vitus in
> examining the stallions as this appears to be their main concern. Brutus
> likewise assists Anthropophagus, who is visibly disappointed and
> can't stop from glaring over at Nervia who is completely ignoring
> him.
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: Oh enough already Concha, "as the screw turns"
> Lady Luck has made her choice and our two winners Consul Albucius'
> Drunas and Rogatrix St. Cornelia Æternia will go onto the
> semi-finals. The others are out, out and out. Better luck next year!
> Bah!!! *laughs loudly*
>
> Congratulations to the Albata and Venata!
>
> Congratulations to Consul Albucius and to Rogatrix Æternia whose
> chariots go onto the semifinals!
>
>
>
> Now my dear Concha I see Rota, and his fine wife Sonja, bringing in some
> fresh culinary delights for the Intermessio and the show is about to
> begin! I see they are also setting up a booth for you to ply your wares
> *his lips curl in a lascivious grin eyeing her shining raven locks and
> the way the pale red fabric of her frock stretches across her hips* I
> meanÂ… to sellÂ… your luxurious fabrics! I understand your
> designers created many of the dancers costumes as well asÂ… ermÂ…
> servicing those people of Rome who are searching for something a cut
> above the rest!
>
>
>
> *The huge monitor begins showing clothing of exquisite design and
> fabrics surrounded by picture within picture of the activity at the
> stables, the vendors, the stands, the pulvinar and other advertisements.
> The clothing is moved to the side and in the center a replay of the race
> is greeted with loud shouts and cheers*
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: Come Concha, let us go down into the crowds before I
> am tempted to stay here and partake of what is left and indulge in a few
> of the servitors for dessert!
>
>
>
> C. CLODIA CONCHA: *rests her arm on Fannius* Yes I had better get you
> out of here before that dour face guard sticks you with his pilum.
>
>
>
> F. FANNIUS FELIX: *as they walk to the stairway Fannius mumbles to her*
> My dear Concha, it is not I he wants to stick with his pilum, you have
> ignored him in totality and this is why he is so dour!
>
>
>
> ************************************************************************\
> ***
>
>
>
> Until the Second QuarterfinalÂ…valete optime!
>
> Narratio resumeturÂ…
>
> To be continuedÂ…
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80578 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Salve Prisce!

(happy smile)! Indeed we will! Wait until you get a look at my little Welsh lass! (oh, wait, *she* is supposed to be a surprise! Oops! Now ...see all those fuzzy blue things? That's Vanetta ...a decent factio, to be sure, but ...(whispers behind fan) *We* are *so* much better!!!!!!!

Vale bene,
Caeca, off to her party, dragging (I mean leading, in a *most* dignified way, of course) Octavius Priscus by the hand!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80579 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Salvete,

> Impromptu party at Caeca's! all ya'all come!

Love the parties at Caeca's, esp the scenery in the yard!
A beautiful prayer to Minerva btw:)

> CMC, who *fervently* hopes her staff have followed their instructions!

Impromptu? Donkey's Butt!!! That was Nervia who said that, promise!


<albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
> Even if it is just one victory and that many defeats may follow, I see as a particular good omen that my chariot won the inaugural race of our Ludi romani, under the protection of dea Minerva and after carefully led opening rituals.
>
Yes, we could all use some good omens!
I have to say the Aedilician cohors are certainly in the spirit and working hard - I can't thank them enough and for me that is an excellent omen as well!


Congratulations Consul!

Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:

> Second? Why I never.... It's okay Consul, Veneta is still in this race and we are in it to win it.

Yup, the semi finals will be here before you know it. Congratulations Aeternia!

Of course all y'all fare better than I did and all I get is a damn t-shirt that says "Ludi Romani 2010"! No glory, no laurel leaves, no parades, no nothing! *grin*

Wait, I take that back. I am the astonished by those who have honored me and Placidus by accepting to be part of the Aedilician Cohors - Novi Romani take note, these are the citizens who will do great things for the respublica given half a chance.
Let's not overwork them though, let's treat them like the precious gems they are.

Valete,

Julia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80580 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Ave Aeternia,

*laughs* watch how you use the word..."smashing" My poor chariot had a smashing disaster! Ouch!

Vale,

Julia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80581 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Salve Prisce,

I have been a bit busy the past couple of days but allow me to welcome you to Nova Roma and also to Magistra's Latin classes. It was good seeing you in the stands today for the races...:)

>Caeca, off to her party, dragging (I mean leading, in a *most* >dignified way, of
>course) Octavius Priscus by the hand!

Watch out for this woman! *laughs* just teasing...

Vale,

Julia



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Prisce!
>
> (happy smile)! Indeed we will! Wait until you get a look at my little Welsh lass! (oh, wait, *she* is supposed to be a surprise! Oops! Now ...see all those fuzzy blue things? That's Vanetta ...a decent factio, to be sure, but ...(whispers behind fan) *We* are *so* much better!!!!!!!
>
> Vale bene,
> Caeca, off to her party, dragging (I mean leading, in a *most* dignified way, of course) Octavius Priscus by the hand!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80582 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Caeca Aquila sal,

AWWWWWWW! but it's such a *nice* tee shirt! And the letters are done in calligraphy, too, with gold embossing around the edge of each letter! However, I am *so* thankful that no one, human or equine, was seriously hurt in that pile up! Now ..come on over ...I have the most extraordinary Egyptian ointment to show you ...and a new wine from somewhere exotic ...very light, very delicate, and somehow flavored with rose water, I think. It's wonderful, but be aware ...it tastes like it is as innocent as fruit juice and ...isn't, LOL!

Vale bene,
CMC, Semper Albata! Albata Victoria! Oh, and *wait* until the unveiling of the new Hermannus ...sans beard (only the gods know what all lived in *that*), and the Roman hair style! (the new look emphasizes those wonderful lake blue eyes ...)



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80583 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Salve Julia,

now, now, don't give *all* my secrets away! If you do, I'll tell all about ...(slow smile) certain things ...but then, again, the results that came from those sculpture modeling sessions were truly works of art!

Vale Bene,
Caeca, slipping away, very, very quietly, and with might, to some, appear to be unbecoming haste.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80584 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: A STUDY IN BYZANTINE HISTORIOGRAPHY: AN ANALYSIS OF THEOPH
*A STUDY IN BYZANTINE HISTORIOGRAPHY: AN ANALYSIS OF THEOPHANES
"CHRONOGRAPHIA" AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THEOPHYLACT'S "HISTORY," THE REIGN
OF MAURICE AND THE SEVENTH CENTURY TO 711*
by *DUKET, TIMOTHY ALAN* <javascript:void(0);>, Ph.D., Boston College, 1980
, 381 pages; AAT 8026747
Abstract (Summary)

The central topic of this dissertation is the Chronographia of Theophanes, a
chronicle that includes the years 284 to 813 and deals primarily with Roman
imperial history. Written in the early ninth century, the Chronographia
forces its attention upon every scholar who studies the seventh and eighth
centuries. We have developed a means for analyzing Theophanes that deciphers
what he himself contributed to the Chronographia and, equally important,
what survives from the earlier and more contemporary, and therefore better,
sources and in what state of preservation.

This study takes a new approach to Theophanes. We do not use what is known
about the author's personal life to evaluate his chronicle. That is put
aside. Instead, we use what is most definitely known about Theophanes to
move step-by-step to evaluate other, problematic aspects of the
Chronographia and its precious historical content.

We assume that what is most readily known about Theophanes is his dependence
on historical sources that have survived independently. The most important
of these is Theophylact's History, a work written in 622-629 on the subject
of the reign of Maurice (582-602). The dependence of Theophanes on
Theophylact is the only complete example of a surviving work that Theophanes
used in its entirety. The early chapters dissect the dependent relationship
of Theophanes to Theophylact. It must be admitted that this method was not
chosen because of its inherent clarity, but because it was the only reliable
way to gain insight into Theophanes' thinking.

The remaining half of this study applies our understanding of Theophanes
vis-a-vis Theophylact to his relationship with other sources and periods in
history, namely, the seventh century to 711. Finally, on the same basis, we
reassess the few bits of personal information that exist about Theophanes.

We come to certain conclusions about Theophanes and, along the way, develop
new perspectives on the history of the periods which Theophanes'
Chronographia includes. Some of the results are the following: (1) further
evidence on a seven-day siege of Thessalonika ending September 22, 697, (2)
a new chronology for the years 591-602 and another perspective on the
historian Theophylact, (3) conclusions that help to define in greater detail
than hitherto known the chronicle of the *Patrician* Trajan, (4) a new
interpretation of the role of the name "Philippikos" in seventh and eighth
century Byzantium. These results and others grew from the basic attempt we
have made to understand Theophanes as a chronicler at work.

We conclude that Theophanes himself was an interesting character, worthy of
study in his own right. He developed useful techniques that enabled him to
compile a chronicle accurately. We also conclude that he must have been the
only important author of the Chronographia. We find him to be remarkably
faithful to his sources, despite the extensive changes he often made in
them. Theophanes was a student of history unique among his contemporaries.
Certainly he made strange historical judgments, especially from our modern
and critical perspective, but he did so as a result of the investigations of
a student of history suffering from the student's recurrent dilemma, the
lack of corroborating sources.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80585 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: SENATORS AND BUSINESS IN THE ROMAN REPUBLIC, 264-44 B.C
*SENATORS AND BUSINESS IN THE ROMAN REPUBLIC, 264-44 B.C*
by *RAUH, NICHOLAS KREGOTIS*, Ph.D., The University of North Carolina at
Chapel Hill, 1986 , 983 pages; AAT 8711151
Abstract (Summary)

This dissertation examines the economic interests of more than one hundred
Roman senatorial families of the Republican period. For a vast majority of
these, a discernible pattern of non-agricultural economic activity can be
demonstrated in the pre-Sullan era (before 81 B.C.). In particular,
epigraphical information pertaining to these interests suggests that
senatorial landowners engaged in intensive agricultural production for
export purposes, that they employed artisans to produce containers for this
production at nearby port cities, and that additional agents facilitated the
trade of this produce overseas. For the most part, those economic activities
which senators themselves were prohibited from engaging in were managed for
them by their non-senatorial friends, relatives, and clients. In fact, the
variety of business contacts which a senator's clientelae, adfines, amici,
and propinqui made available indicate that it was relatively easy for
senators to engage in non-agricultural economic activities indirectly, thus
avoiding anything explicitly unethical or illegal.

The Survey of senatorial business interests provided in Part Two of this
dissertation demonstrates that senatorial families at all levels of the
aristocracy, from the pedarii at the lower end to the noble plebeian and *
patrician* families at the top, present the same sorts of economic patterns,
and this indicates that such activity was widespread throughout the
senatorial aristocracy. In addition, the Catalogue of pertinent business
families at the end of this work illustrates the kinds of economic interest
in which families exempt from the prohibitions of senatorial status at Rome
could engage.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80586 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: ROMAN VIRTUES IN LIVY
*ROMAN VIRTUES IN LIVY*
by *MOORE, TIMOTHY JOSEPH*, Ph.D., The University of North Carolina at
Chapel Hill, 1986 , 422 pages; AAT 8628245
Abstract (Summary)

Many scholars have observed the importance to Livy of various virtues. The
words Livy uses in attributing virtues, however, have remained largely
unstudied. This dissertation establishes more precisely the significance in
the Ab urbe condita of the following words of praise: abstinentia, acer,
aequitas, audacia, benignitas, castitas, cautus, clementia, comitas,
consilium, constantia, continentia, dexteritas, diligentia, facilitas,
fides, fortitudo, gravitas, humanitas, impiger, indulgentia, industria,
innocentia, integritas, iustitia, lenitas, liberalitas, magnitudo animi,
mansuetus, mitis, moderatio, modestia, munificentia, parsimonia, patientia,
perseverantia, pertinacia, pietas, probitas, promptus, providentia,
prudentia, pudicitia, sanctitas, sapientia, severitas, simplicitas,
strenuus, temperantia, and virtus. Each word is studied with respect to its
meaning, the type of activity to which it usually applies, its association
with other words, its distribution in the work, the degree to which it is
associated with different nationalities, classes, or individuals, and its
occurrence in speeches.

The most striking feature of Livy's vocabulary of praise is its
conservatism. Revealing both his extreme admiration for what he thought to
be the ideals of the earliest Romans and an attempt to provide an atmosphere
of authenticity to his work, Livy consistently rejects the terminology of
praise which became popular in the late Republic, especially those words
associated with Greek philosophy. In only a very few respects does Livy's
vocabulary of praise reflect a progression toward the language of imperial
propaganda.

In attributing virtues, Livy shows considerable independence of his sources.
Livy reveals his conservatism as well as his artistry in his distribution of
the words, the words he uses in speeches, and in his use of words of praise
in characterizing Romans and non-Romans, *patricians* and plebeians, and men
and women.

Several appendices conclude the work: a corpus of attributions of virtues,
charts showing distribution of occurrences and attributions to different
nationalities and social classes, and a list of occurrences of the words in
speeches.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80587 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: Drusus Caesar, the son of Tiberius
*Drusus Caesar, the son of Tiberius*
by *Shaw, Millo L. G.*, Ph.D., The University of British Columbia (Canada),
1990 , 332 pages; AAT NN69792
Abstract (Summary)

This dissertation attempts to deduce from the ancient sources and assess the
life or Drusus, the son of Tiberius, focussing upon his position and conduct
within the Julio-Claudian principate and succession.

He was born on October 7th, probably between 15 and 13 BC. His father,
Tiberius Claudius Nero, had illustrious *patrician* forbears and was stepson
to Augustus Caesar, while his mother, Vipsania Agrippina, was daughter of
the Emperor's right-hand man, Marcus Agrippa. Drusus was initially excluded
from the imperial succession because he lacked direct kinship with the
Emperor, but in AD 4 he was made the adoptive grandson of Augustus and
fourth in the line of succession after Tiberius, Agrippa Postumus, and
Germanicus, who were also adopted. His name was changed to Drusus Julius
Caesar, reflecting his full-fledged membership in the Julian dynasty. He
received extraordinary honours, including a distinguished marriage to his
cousin, Livilla, accelerated promotion through the cursus honorum, and
official pairing with his adoptive brother, Germanicus.

Germanicus' death in AD 19 left Drusus as Tiberius' primary successor.
Tiberius formally confirmed his new status by sharing a consulship with him
in 21 and, in particular, by requesting the tribunician power for him in 22.
Numismatic evidence suggests the possibility that, by 22 or 23 at the
latest, the Emperor transferred the imperial dynasty to Drusus as well by
placing his twin sons, born probably near the end of 19, ahead of the sons
of Germanicus in the succession.

Tragically, in September, 23, at the very peak of his career, Drusus died.
At the time he was thought to have passed away from natural causes, but in
31 the stunning charge was made that he had been poisoned by his wife and
others in conspiracy with the commander of the Praetorian Guard, Aelius
Sejanus. The allegation was believed by Tiberius and the source tradition,
but the evidence preserved in the historical record is inconclusive. Drusus'
death proved a significant loss both for his family and for the principate.
The dynasty shifted back to the Julians and Tiberius' regime began to fall
away from the moderation, justice, and efficient administration that had
prevailed while Drusus was alive. (Abstract shortened by UMI.)


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80588 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: Transitio ad plebem: The exchange of patrician for plebeia
*Transitio ad plebem: The exchange of patrician for plebeian status*
by *Slagter, Matthew John*, Ph.D., Bryn Mawr College, 1993 , 323 pages; AAT
9324715
Abstract (Summary)

In 60 B.C. P. Clodius Pulcher (Tr. Pl. 58 B.C.) tried to change from *
patrician* to plebeian status by a process called transitio ad plebem. The
twin goals of this dissertation are first to investigate Clodius' motives
and to discover whether the various methods attempted by him reflect an
established procedure of transitio ad plebem, and, second, to test the
validity of transitio ad plebem as an explanation for the status of other
plebeians who shared gentilicial names with *patrician* gentes.

Chapter I presents my views on the nature of *patrician* and plebeian status
and the methodology followed in examining the potential cases of transitio
ad plebem. Chapter II, after dismissing the view that Clodius became
plebeian to exact revenge upon Cicero, suggests a primarily political motive
for his transfer. Chapter III examines the various measures employed by
Clodius in his effort to become plebeian and argues that a little known
procedure called sacrorum detestatio was the technical form of transitio ad
plebem. Chapter IV discusses the ramifications of Clodius' adoption by a P.
Fonteius. Chapter V argues that P. Sulpicius Rufus (Tr. Pl. 88 B.C.)
transferred to the plebs despite a recent suggestion that he was of
municipal origin. Chapter VI investigates the transfer of C. Servilius (Pr.
before 218 B.C.). Chapter VII denies that T. Veturius Calvinus (Cos. 334
B.C.) and M. Claudius Marcellus (Cos. 331) either transferred to the plebs,
arguing instead that they were of municipal origin. Chapter VIII offers my
conclusions concerning the nature and infrequency of transitio ad plebem.

Appendix 1 examines the relationship between Clodius and Catiline. Appendix
2 considers the importance of fraternal relationships in gaining access to
the consulship and includes a catalog of consular brothers between 366 and
31 B.C. Appendix 3 supplies a register of *patrician*-to-plebeian and
plebeian-to-*patrician* adoptions. Appendix 4 investigates the adoption of
P. Cornelius Dolabella (Cos. Suff. 42 B.C.) by a plebeian Cornelius
Lentulus. Appendix 5 discusses testamentary adoption.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80589 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: Rome and the Latins: A new model
*Rome and the Latins: A new model*
by *Howarth, Randall Scott*, Ph.D., University of Illinois at
Urbana-Champaign, 1997 , 238 pages; AAT 9737134
Abstract (Summary)

This historiographical study reexamines the textual tradition concerning
early Rome. It identifies categories of evidence within that tradition with
varying degrees of reliability. The best of these are used to construct a
model of interaction between Rome and the Latins from 509-338 BC which
frequently contradicts modern assumptions. In general, this study argues
that much of the Roman institutional history of this period is actually the
institutional history of the Latins. This model represents an alternative to
the usual framework of social struggle employed to explain the development
of Roman institutions, that provided by the *patricians* versus the
plebeians.

The institutional crises of the fifth and fourth centuries actually arose
from conflicts between two separate but overlapping political constructs.
The Latin war of 340-338 was the critical turning point after which all the
federal institutions became de facto Roman institutions. The continuity in
the forms of power combined with the late creation of the Roman historical
tradition obscured the nature of this transition.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80590 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: The roles of patrician and plebeian women in their religio
*The roles of patrician and plebeian women in their religion in the Republic
of Rome*
by *Young, Lesa Ann*, M.A., East Tennessee State University, 2002 , 74
pages; AAT 1413472
Abstract (Summary)

This paper looks at the roles of *patrician* and plebeian Roman women in
their religion. It investigates the topic during the period of the Republic
(509-30 BCE) and pulls the information together in a concise manner.

The primary sources used were narrative histories and literature from the
late Republic, as well as from the Imperial period up through the second
century, that reflect the opinions of the Imperial period. The secondary
sources precipitated further research into primary sources and comparisons
of the studies.

It was found that women played private and secondary roles in their
religion. Due to changes in the laws and in the society, women in the late
Republic had more control over their own interests than did the women in the
early Republic, although this control did not widely spread to their
religious rituals. Public roles and power were basically limited to the
Vestal Virgins.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80591 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: ABSTRACT: The appeal of Asklepios and the politics of healing in the
*The appeal of Asklepios and the politics of healing in the Greco-Roman
world*
by *Wickkiser, Bronwen Lara*, Ph.D., The University of Texas at Austin, 2003
, 361 pages; AAT 3116230
Abstract (Summary)

The cult of the Greek healing god Asklepios was one of the most popular
cults in all of antiquity. Over the course of a millennium beginning in the
5 th c. BC, sanctuaries of Asklepios spanned the Greco-Roman world and
attracted countless individuals in search of cures.

Scholars have long studied the cult in accordance with dichotomies like
rational vs. irrational and public vs. private. These dichotomies are not
only misleading when applied to Asklepios-cult, pitting it against
"rational" Greek medicine and placing it beyond the political interests of
the state, but have driven the cult into interpretive gridlock.
Consequently, fundamental questions about the cult's development remain
unanswered.

This study begins by exploring why the cult only arose in the 5 th c. BC
despite the fact that Asklepios had been known as a healer since Homer.
Adducing evidence from the Hippocratic corpus, I argue that developments in
Greek medicine were critical to the rise of the cult in the 5 th c. BC. As
Greek medicine began to define itself as a *techne * and to delimit its
boundaries by specifying the kinds of illnesses that it could and could not
treat, it generated a void in healing. The god Asklepios, whose mythology
portrayed him as a trained physician, was ideal for filling the void left by
mortal medicine.

Since translocal factors alone fail to explain the spread of Asklepios-cult,
this study next examines local factors that motivated Athens and Rome, two
of antiquity's best-documented cities, to import Asklepios. Analysis of the
placement of the cult within both the topography of Athens and the Athenian
civic calendar, indicates that Athens' immediate motivation for importing
Asklepios in 420 BC was not plague (as many have argued) but imperial
ambitions in the context of the Peloponnesian War.

Similarly, examination of ancient sources for the cult's importation to
Rome, as well as of the topography of the area surrounding Aesculapius'
sanctuary there, demonstrates that Rome imported Aesculapius ca. 291 BC not
because of a literal plague, but in response to a metaphorical plague
manifest in the Samnite Wars, Demetrios Poliorketes, and the
*patrician*-plebeian
struggle.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80592 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Salve Prisce!
>
> (happy smile)! Indeed we will! Wait until you get a look at my little Welsh
> lass! (oh, wait, *she* is supposed to be a surprise! Oops! Now ...see all
> those fuzzy blue things? That's Vanetta ...a decent factio, to be sure, but
> ...(whispers behind fan) *We* are *so* much better!!!!!!!
>
> Vale bene,
> Caeca, off to her party, dragging (I mean leading, in a *most* dignified way,
> of course) Octavius Priscus by the hand!
>
> ATS: Well, if he survives, you won¹t have far to drag him...he is already
> in Grammatica I a, and will then join you next term in Grammatica I b. We
> have a rather international group in the first semester class this time
> around, with a student from France, another from Spain, and a third from
> Poland so far. We anticipate at least one from Britain, and already have an
> East Indian and others from English-speaking countries. Anyone else care to
> join the fray?
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80593 From: aerdensrw Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Report of the September Voting of the Collegium Pontificum
P. Corva Gaudialis G. Marcio Crispo sal.

Personally, I don't think you could _pay_ anyone to independently observe this group.

Vale,

Paulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS" <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:
> > How would you be able to determine if a report is correct or not?
> >
> >Salve Anna
>
> Yes, how indeed.
>
> All we seem to see is one report that contradicts another. One set of figures that is disputed by another set.
>
> We need less secrecy and more openness, perhaps by having totally independent observers.
> But then how would we know that they were independent?
>
> There has to be a better way.
>
> Vale optime
> Crispus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80594 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Salve Julia,

Thank you for the welcoming. It was fun to see the races!

LOL

Vale,

Gaius Octavius Priscus




________________________________
From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 9:52:44 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL


Salve Prisce,

I have been a bit busy the past couple of days but allow me to welcome you to
Nova Roma and also to Magistra's Latin classes. It was good seeing you in the
stands today for the races...:)

>Caeca, off to her party, dragging (I mean leading, in a *most* >dignified way,
>of
>course) Octavius Priscus by the hand!

Watch out for this woman! *laughs* just teasing...

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Prisce!
>
> (happy smile)! Indeed we will! Wait until you get a look at my little Welsh
>lass! (oh, wait, *she* is supposed to be a surprise! Oops! Now ...see all
>those fuzzy blue things? That's Vanetta ...a decent factio, to be sure, but
>...(whispers behind fan) *We* are *so* much better!!!!!!!
>
> Vale bene,
> Caeca, off to her party, dragging (I mean leading, in a *most* dignified way,
>of course) Octavius Priscus by the hand!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80595 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Report of the September Voting of the Collegium Pontificum
Ave,

Oh I do. People will do damn near anything for money!

Vale,

Sulla

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:40 PM, aerdensrw <aerdensrw@...> wrote:

>
>
> P. Corva Gaudialis G. Marcio Crispo sal.
>
> Personally, I don't think you could _pay_ anyone to independently observe
> this group.
>
> Vale,
>
> Paulla
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "GAIUS
> MARCIUS CRISPUS" <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:
> > > How would you be able to determine if a report is correct or not?
> > >
> > >Salve Anna
> >
> > Yes, how indeed.
> >
> > All we seem to see is one report that contradicts another. One set of
> figures that is disputed by another set.
> >
> > We need less secrecy and more openness, perhaps by having totally
> independent observers.
> > But then how would we know that they were independent?
> >
> > There has to be a better way.
> >
> > Vale optime
> > Crispus
> >
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80596 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: ABSTRACT: ROMAN VIRTUES IN LIVY
Salve Sulla,

Please? Gratias!
Vale bene,
CMC

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80597 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Ave Maria,

I am on my way and bringing Vitus with me, he and Hermannus can sing a duet for us whilst we drink the new wine. Now about the ointment...:)

Vale,

Julia

P.S. Vitus has "ocean" blues eyes *laughs*

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Caeca Aquila sal,
>
> AWWWWWWW! but it's such a *nice* tee shirt! And the letters are done in calligraphy, too, with gold embossing around the edge of each letter! However, I am *so* thankful that no one, human or equine, was seriously hurt in that pile up! Now ..come on over ...I have the most extraordinary Egyptian ointment to show you ...and a new wine from somewhere exotic ...very light, very delicate, and somehow flavored with rose water, I think. It's wonderful, but be aware ...it tastes like it is as innocent as fruit juice and ...isn't, LOL!
>
> Vale bene,
> CMC, Semper Albata! Albata Victoria! Oh, and *wait* until the unveiling of the new Hermannus ...sans beard (only the gods know what all lived in *that*), and the Roman hair style! (the new look emphasizes those wonderful lake blue eyes ...)
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80598 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Quaestio de Hortensia Maiore
Cato Au. Liburnio sal.

Yes. Because we have set up within our by-laws a legal process by which members may be punished and/or fined, this falls within our rights as an organization.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Bruno" <reenbru@...> wrote:
>
> Au. Liburnius Quiritibus SPD
>
> I'd like to post a question, without stirring the cauldron, that appears already well-stirred.
>
> Is preventing a member of the Board of Directors/Senator to vote, under some internal rule, legally permissible under macronational law, in this specific case the state of Maine and/or the USA?
>
> Curate ut valeatis.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80599 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Report of the September Voting of the Collegium Pontificum
Iulia Corve Crispo sal,

> Personally, I don't think you could _pay_ anyone to independently observe this group.

Gratias tibi, I needed a good laugh!

Valete,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@...> wrote:
>
> P. Corva Gaudialis G. Marcio Crispo sal.
>
> Personally, I don't think you could _pay_ anyone to independently observe this group.
>
> Vale,
>
> Paulla
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS" <jbshr1pwa@> wrote:
> > > How would you be able to determine if a report is correct or not?
> > >
> > >Salve Anna
> >
> > Yes, how indeed.
> >
> > All we seem to see is one report that contradicts another. One set of figures that is disputed by another set.
> >
> > We need less secrecy and more openness, perhaps by having totally independent observers.
> > But then how would we know that they were independent?
> >
> > There has to be a better way.
> >
> > Vale optime
> > Crispus
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80600 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani 07Sept2010: FIRST QUARTERFINAL
Salve Priscus,

I am going easy on you because you are new *laughs*
Glad you enjoyed them - now be sure to participate in some of the games!

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jean Courdant <jeancourdant@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Julia,
>
> Thank you for the welcoming. It was fun to see the races!
>
> LOL
>
> Vale,
>
> Gaius Octavius Priscus
>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80601 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;

I have written to the censors and post this on the Main List.

I hereby renounce my citizenship in Nova Roma. And all magistracies and religious titles, I abhor fascism and cannot and will not be connected with an organization that promotes, encourages, supports fascism or is neo-fascist in any way.
M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80602 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve M Hortensia;

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:53 PM, rory12001 wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
>
> I have written to the censors and post this on the Main List.
>
> I hereby renounce my citizenship in Nova Roma. And all magistracies and religious titles, I abhor fascism and cannot and will not be connected with an organization that promotes, encourages, supports fascism or is neo-fascist in any way.
> M. Hortensia Maior
>

Fare well, be well, live your life in peace...

Vale - Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80603 From: A. Decia Scriptrix Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Certamen Historicum - Day 4
EX OFFICIO AEDILIS P. ANNAEI L. IVLIAE

Ludi Romani

A. Decia Scriptrix Quiritibus s. p. d.


This is the 4th day of the Ludi Romani, to celebrate Iuppiter and the
harvest.

This day is devoted to Quirinus

Welcome to the Certamen Historicum, Day 4 questions follow the info!

VITA ROMANÅŒRUM (Life of the Romans)
The game is a series of 12 different questions with 1 – 3 answers per
question including bonus
answers based on three videos regarding various aspects of basic Roman life
that every ancient Roman would know. 1 – 2 will be offered each day. It is
designed to be fun and
educational.

TOPIC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs2gQSn2Tho&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-32UWMCrtE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giUpHkNL51Y&p=C20B1BE42D53BF2F&playnext=1&index=61


RULES:
1) Everyday during the Ludi one or two questions will be posted. You may
answer
them as they are posted or when you have time as long as they are answered
by
the Deadline as indicated below. Some are easy, some not so.


2) 12 questions, some with multiple answers earn 2 – 14 points including
some bonus
questions for a total of 60 points.

THE WINNER

The winner is the citizen who earns the most points!

DEADLINE
The 11th of September
Results will be posted within a few days of the close of the Ludi
Please send your submissions to
a.decia.scriptrix@...


PRIVATELY!

*DAY 4 QUESTIONS

**Question 6 and 7*

*6) How is the water heated in the bath house and what scientific principle
was used? 4 points*

*7) What was Marcus Crassus’ answer to Caesar’s comment that he had grown
religious? – 4 points*


Valete et habete fortunam bonam!

A. Decia Scriptrix



*And for those who missed some of the previous questions I am repeating
questions 1 to 5*

*1) How many men did the Romans lose against Spartacus? - 2 points *

*2) Where did the name gladiator come from? - 2 points*

*3) What is the name of the device that the Romans used to heat their bath
houses? 2 points*

*4) Which gladiators never wore helmets? 2 points*

*5) Name three fighting styles taught by this gladiator school. 6 points and
2 bonus points if the extra style is added.*


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80604 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: a. d. VI Eidus Septembris: Pontifex Maximus holds elections of Tribu
M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Ego vos iubeo bono animo esse.

Hodie est ante diem VI Eidus Septembres; haec dies comitialis est: Ludi Romani magni

THE MILKY WAY

"There is a certain circular figure among the constellations, white in color, which some have called the Milky Way. Eratosthenes says that Juno, without realizing it, gave milk to the infant Mercury, but when she learned that he was the son of Maia, she thrust him away, and the whiteness of the flowing milk appears among the constellations. Others have said that Hercules was given to Juno to nurse when she slept. When she awoke, it happened as described above. Others, again, say that Hercules was so greedy that he couldn't hold in his mouth all the milk he had sucked, and the Milky Way spilled over from his mouth. Still others say that at the time Ops brought to Saturn the stone, pretending it was a child, he bade her offer milk to it; when she pressed her breast, the milk that was caused to flow formed the circle which we mentioned above." ~ C. Julius Hyginus, Astronomica II.43


AUC 304 / 449 BCE: The Pontifex Maximus Holds Election of Tribuni Plebis to Restore the Res Publica

"A decree was passed for the decemvirs to resign office as soon as possible, Q. Furius, the Pontifex Maximus, to appoint tribunes of the plebs, and an amnesty to be granted for the secession of the soldiers and the plebs. After these decrees were passed, the senate broke up, and the decemvirs proceeded to the Assembly and formally laid down their office, to the immense delight of all. . . The envoys, addressing the multitude as an Assembly, said, "Prosperity, fortune, and happiness to you and to the State! Return to your fatherland, your homes, your wives, and your children! But carry into the City the same self-control which you have exhibited here, where no man's land has been damaged, notwithstanding the need of so many things necessary for so large a multitude. Go to the Aventine, whence you came; there, on the auspicious spot where you laid the beginnings of your liberty, you will appoint your tribunes; the Pontifex Maximus will be present to hold the election." Great was the delight and eagerness with which they applauded everything. They plucked up the standards and started for Rome, outdoing those they met in their expressions of joy. Marching under arms through the City in silence, they reached the Aventine. There the Pontifex Maximus at once proceeded to hold the election for tribunes. The first to be elected was L. Verginius; next, the organisers of the secession, L. Icilius and P. Numitorius, the uncle of Verginius; then, C. Sicinius, the son of the man who is recorded as the first to be elected of the tribunes on the Sacred Hill, and M. Duillius, who had filled that office with distinction before the appointment of the decemvirs, and through all the struggles with them had never failed to support the plebs. After these came M. Titinius, M. Pomponius, C. Apronius, Appius Villius, and Caius Oppius, all of whom were elected rather in hope of their future usefulness than for any services actually rendered. When he had entered on his tribuneship L. Icilius at once proposed a resolution which the plebs accepted, that no one should suffer for the secession. Marcus Duillius immediately carried a measure for the election of consuls and the right of appeal from them to the people. All these measures were passed in a council of the plebs which was held in the Flaminian Meadows, now called the Circus Flaminius." ~ T. Livius 3.54


The Flamen Dialis is Prohibted from Leavened Bread

"The priest of Jupiter must not touch any bread fermented with yeast." ~ Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae 10.15.19

Plutarch, Roman Questions 109: Why was it not permitted for the priest of Jupiter, whom they call the Flamen Dialis, to touch either flour or yeast?

"Is it because flour is an incomplete and crude food? For neither has it remained what it was, wheat, nor has it become what it must become, bread; but it has both lost the germinative power of the seed and at the same time it has not attained to the usefulness of food. Wherefore also the Poet (Homer) by a metaphor applied to barley-meal the epithet mylephatos, as if it were being killed or destroyed in the grinding. Yeast is itself also the product of corruption, and produces corruption in the dough with which it is mixed; for the dough becomes flabby and inert, and altogether the process of leavening seems to be one of putrefaction; at any rate if it goes too far, it completely sours and spoils the flour."

This prohibition on the flamen Dialis shows one of the changes to occur over time. Pliny said, "There were no bakers at Rome until1 the war with King Perseus, more than five hundred and eighty years after the building of the City [H. N. 18.28(107)]." That is, not until after 174 BCE. He also stated that, "it is equally evident that those persons who are dieted upon fermented bread are stronger4 in body. Among the ancients, too, it was generally thought that the heavier wheat is, the more wholesome it is [18.26 (104)]." The first statement offers a time frame for the introduction of leavened bread. The prohibition must have been made before the benefits of leavened bread were recognized. That is, before such breads had become common. Plautus, in the play Aulularia, mentions a "Artoptasia," which is a Greek term for a female baker. His career as a playwright at Rome was at the beginning of the second century, just before the time to which Pliny alludes. And thus we would have to consider that this is not a very ancient prohibition, but one from the early second century.


Today's thought is from Pythagoras, Golden Verses 3-6

"Honor the Terrestrial Gods by rendering them the worship lawfully due to them; honor likewise thy parents, and those most nearly related to thee; of all the rest of mankind, make him thy friend who distinguishes himself by his virtue. Always give ear to his mild exhortations, and take example from his virtuous and useful actions."


Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

_____________________
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80605 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salvete omnes,

Even if our tracks have been different these last six months and that I have been drawn to consider that the way M. Hortensia Maior considered Nova Roma public positions and her relation to Law was not the best ones for our Republic, I cannot but pay homage to the work done by Maior over years.

Even if she had probably other traits than qualities, she had real qualities among which her enthusiasm and devotion for the idea she had of Rome, its religion, and its revival in Nova Roma, are not the least.

She took part to many magistracies teams and has always appreciated as a sincere and working lieutenant.

Even if her decision of resignation was one among the possible logical consequences of her behavior and positions during the last months and weeks, this courageous and honest statement is also this of our collective failure to build a more readable Nova Roma or a structure which would allow characters like Hortensia to live peacefully beside the ones who were her most fierce political opponents, and to bring the community her qualities. I assume my part of this failure.

We have still time, this year, after much time has been lost, to act in order that we learn from such resignations.
The main solution for that is, still, as I proposed it in the beginning of this year, to disconnect the sooner as possible our non-profit corporation bylaws and our Roman rules, and adapt the first ones to its local incorporation legislation.
Such a disconnection would allow us to choose in the most appropriate way our romanity : either like a member of NR Inc., or a citizen of our Republic, or, for the most involved of us, for both. The ones who would have preferred placing their energy in the non-profit, and not in reenacting our State, would probably become or re-become the best friends of the world, for they share more than what may divide them.

Valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
consul




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
>
> I have written to the censors and post this on the Main List.
>
> I hereby renounce my citizenship in Nova Roma. And all magistracies and religious titles, I abhor fascism and cannot and will not be connected with an organization that promotes, encourages, supports fascism or is neo-fascist in any way.
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80606 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Ludi Romani - A little latin ludi loo
Salvete Quirites



Welcome back to the latin letter-writing contest, a Little Latin Ludi loo.



The winner of this contest will be the one who writes the most appropriate letter for the situation set out each day. The salutations, (greeting and name, farewell and name) must be in Latin, and in a form that would be appropriate for the sender, the recipient, and the context. The words of the letter itself are in your own language.

The winner will be the one who writes the best letter and uses the most appropriate roman salutation and farewell closing. Probably there will be several winners, one for each question. The overall winner will be announced at the end of the Ludi.

So here we go with letter number 2. Get those writing materials ready. But remember that the paper or vellum is expensive, so do not write too much! Make every word count.

2. A tradesman wants to write a very formal letter insisting on payment for his goods. He is very angry about the non-payment, and the effect it is having on his family, especially the education of his son.

You have until the end of the games to send your letter.

Please send your entry to me at

jbshr1pwa@...

*** DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE - REPLY ONLY TO ME ******

If you have problems reading my email address it is

jbshr1pwa at btinternet.com

Good luck, and I shall await your entries with interest.

Valete omnes

C Marcius Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80607 From: Gaius Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salvete omnes,

Fascism? Did I miss something?

Valete,

Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
>
> I have written to the censors and post this on the Main List.
>
> I hereby renounce my citizenship in Nova Roma. And all magistracies and religious titles, I abhor fascism and cannot and will not be connected with an organization that promotes, encourages, supports fascism or is neo-fascist in any way.
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80608 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
You are not the only one to miss something....but I have a feeling that any
issue that Maior did not get her way she would label it as Fascism. I could
be wrong, but I just dont think I am.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Gaius <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Fascism? Did I miss something?
>
> Valete,
>
> Laenas
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
> >
> > M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
> >
> > I have written to the censors and post this on the Main List.
> >
> > I hereby renounce my citizenship in Nova Roma. And all magistracies and
> religious titles, I abhor fascism and cannot and will not be connected with
> an organization that promotes, encourages, supports fascism or is
> neo-fascist in any way.
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> >
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80609 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius" <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Fascism? Did I miss something?
>
> Valete,
>
> Laenas
>

Salve

NR is being investigated as a fascist org.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80610 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> You are not the only one to miss something....but I have a feeling that any
> issue that Maior did not get her way she would label it as Fascism. I could
> be wrong, but I just dont think I am.
>


Salve,

You are wrong.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80611 From: Gaius Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve et salvete,

Now that's a good one.

Valete,

Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius" <gaiuspopillius@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > Fascism? Did I miss something?
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Laenas
> >
>
> Salve
>
> NR is being investigated as a fascist org.
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80612 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve Anna
 
Really? How did you or Maior come by this snippet of information? Nova Roma is a lot of things - most of which can be labelled as incompetent, but it certainly isn't fascist in any way shape or form.
 
Care to share the details?
 
Vale bene
Caesar

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:


From: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:06 AM




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> You are not the only one to miss something....but I have a feeling that any
> issue that Maior did not get her way she would label it as Fascism.  I could
> be wrong, but I just dont think I am.
>


Salve,

You are wrong.


Vale,

Anna Bucci



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80613 From: Aqvillivs Rota Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Sounds like another joke
of somebody who has another attention deficit
disorder.

But to be honest....that's a good one for a change!

Rota

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:25 PM







 









Salve Anna

 

Really? How did you or Maior come by this snippet of information? Nova Roma is a lot of things - most of which can be labelled as incompetent, but it certainly isn't fascist in any way shape or form.

 

Care to share the details?

 

Vale bene

Caesar



--- On Wed, 9/8/10, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:



From: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...>

Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:06 AM



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

>

> You are not the only one to miss something....but I have a feeling that any

> issue that Maior did not get her way she would label it as Fascism.  I could

> be wrong, but I just dont think I am.

>



Salve,



You are wrong.



Vale,



Anna Bucci



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80614 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve Rota
 
I agree. I nearly spat my coffee out laughing so much. You might as well say we are being investigated as a secret branch of Opus Dei <lol> .... anyone want to quit over that one?
 
We have all races, a range of creeds, republicans, democrats, conservatives, liberals, socialists...the full spectrum.

If this is remotely serious any investigating agency will quickly ascertain NR is not fascist and is no danger to anyone except the mental sanity of all of us who participate in this circus.
 
I can't wait for updates and further installments.
 
Vale bene
Caesar

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:


From: Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:34 AM


Sounds like another joke
of somebody who has another attention deficit
disorder.

But to be honest....that's a good one for a change!

Rota

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:25 PM







 



 


   
     
     
      Salve Anna

 

Really? How did you or Maior come by this snippet of information? Nova Roma is a lot of things - most of which can be labelled as incompetent, but it certainly isn't fascist in any way shape or form.

 

Care to share the details?

 

Vale bene

Caesar



--- On Wed, 9/8/10, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:



From: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...>

Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:06 AM



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

>

> You are not the only one to miss something....but I have a feeling that any

> issue that Maior did not get her way she would label it as Fascism.  I could

> be wrong, but I just dont think I am.

>



Salve,



You are wrong.



Vale,



Anna Bucci



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80615 From: Aqvillivs Rota Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salvete,

now it seems to get really funny here, maybe we should call it a soap opera group. That draws a lot of hits I am sure.

Somebody else with another funny thing like this?

What about "Nova Roma is investigated for being a secret Chinese org who tries to drive the Pope so mad that he supports the use of condoms and the Chinese Rubber Industry is behind all that?"


Rota

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:

From: Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:34 PM







 









Sounds like another joke

of somebody who has another attention deficit

disorder.



But to be honest....that's a good one for a change!



Rota



--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:



From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:25 PM



 



Salve Anna



 



Really? How did you or Maior come by this snippet of information? Nova Roma is a lot of things - most of which can be labelled as incompetent, but it certainly isn't fascist in any way shape or form.



 



Care to share the details?



 



Vale bene



Caesar



--- On Wed, 9/8/10, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:



From: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...>



Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior



To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com



Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:06 AM



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:



>



> You are not the only one to miss something....but I have a feeling that any



> issue that Maior did not get her way she would label it as Fascism.  I could



> be wrong, but I just dont think I am.



>



Salve,



You are wrong.



Vale,



Anna Bucci



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80616 From: Aqvillivs Rota Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve Caesar,
do you want to write some funny articles in the future news letter? I think you write very funny indeed!

Rota

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:39 PM







 









Salve Rota

 

I agree. I nearly spat my coffee out laughing so much. You might as well say we are being investigated as a secret branch of Opus Dei <lol> .... anyone want to quit over that one?

 

We have all races, a range of creeds, republicans, democrats, conservatives, liberals, socialists...the full spectrum.



If this is remotely serious any investigating agency will quickly ascertain NR is not fascist and is no danger to anyone except the mental sanity of all of us who participate in this circus.

 

I can't wait for updates and further installments.

 

Vale bene

Caesar



--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:



From: Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...>

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:34 AM



Sounds like another joke

of somebody who has another attention deficit

disorder.



But to be honest....that's a good one for a change!



Rota



--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:



From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:25 PM



 



 



   

     

     

      Salve Anna



 



Really? How did you or Maior come by this snippet of information? Nova Roma is a lot of things - most of which can be labelled as incompetent, but it certainly isn't fascist in any way shape or form.



 



Care to share the details?



 



Vale bene



Caesar



--- On Wed, 9/8/10, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:



From: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...>



Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior



To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com



Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:06 AM



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:



>



> You are not the only one to miss something....but I have a feeling that any



> issue that Maior did not get her way she would label it as Fascism.  I could



> be wrong, but I just dont think I am.



>



Salve,



You are wrong.



Vale,



Anna Bucci



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80617 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve Rota
 
NR was behind the Roswell crash and the BA has its secret base in the Bermuda Triangle where it members are responsible for the disappearance of Flight 19 by bending time. Oh oh, and Albucius is actually a hologram whose alien body is in fact stored in a fish tank in Area 51, where he communicates with his evil minions by telepathy.
 
Vale bene
Caesar

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:


From: Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:41 AM


Salvete,

now it seems to get really funny here, maybe we should call it a soap opera group. That draws a lot of hits I am sure.

Somebody else with another funny thing like this?

What about "Nova Roma is investigated for being a secret Chinese org who tries to drive the Pope so mad that he supports the use of condoms and the Chinese Rubber Industry is behind all that?"


Rota

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:

From: Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:34 PM







 



 


   
     
     
      Sounds like another joke

of somebody who has another attention deficit

disorder.



But to be honest....that's a good one for a change!



Rota



--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:



From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:25 PM



 



Salve Anna



 



Really? How did you or Maior come by this snippet of information? Nova Roma is a lot of things - most of which can be labelled as incompetent, but it certainly isn't fascist in any way shape or form.



 



Care to share the details?



 



Vale bene



Caesar



--- On Wed, 9/8/10, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:



From: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...>



Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior



To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com



Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:06 AM



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:



>



> You are not the only one to miss something....but I have a feeling that any



> issue that Maior did not get her way she would label it as Fascism.  I could



> be wrong, but I just dont think I am.



>



Salve,



You are wrong.



Vale,



Anna Bucci



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80618 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Ave!

No no, I thought Stormfront was investigating us because of the revenge from
the time that NR kicked out that actual neo nazi guy from NR.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <
gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve Rota
>
> NR was behind the Roswell crash and the BA has its secret base in the
> Bermuda Triangle where it members are responsible for the disappearance of
> Flight 19 by bending time. Oh oh, and Albucius is actually a hologram whose
> alien body is in fact stored in a fish tank in Area 51, where he
> communicates with his evil minions by telepathy.
>
> Vale bene
> Caesar
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...<c.aqvillivs_rota%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...<c.aqvillivs_rota%40yahoo.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:41 AM
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> now it seems to get really funny here, maybe we should call it a soap opera
> group. That draws a lot of hits I am sure.
>
> Somebody else with another funny thing like this?
>
> What about "Nova Roma is investigated for being a secret Chinese org who
> tries to drive the Pope so mad that he supports the use of condoms and the
> Chinese Rubber Industry is behind all that?"
>
> Rota
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...<c.aqvillivs_rota%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...<c.aqvillivs_rota%40yahoo.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:34 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sounds like another joke
>
> of somebody who has another attention deficit
>
> disorder.
>
> But to be honest....that's a good one for a change!
>
> Rota
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...<gn_iulius_caesar%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...<gn_iulius_caesar%40yahoo.com>
> >
>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:25 PM
>
>
>
> Salve Anna
>
>
>
> Really? How did you or Maior come by this snippet of information? Nova Roma
> is a lot of things - most of which can be labelled as incompetent, but it
> certainly isn't fascist in any way shape or form.
>
>
>
> Care to share the details?
>
>
>
> Vale bene
>
> Caesar
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...<lathyrus77%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@... <lathyrus77%40yahoo.com>>
>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:06 AM
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > You are not the only one to miss something....but I have a feeling that
> any
>
> > issue that Maior did not get her way she would label it as Fascism. I
> could
>
> > be wrong, but I just dont think I am.
>
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> You are wrong.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80619 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Ka-he-za-lee s.d.

(this is the way alien bodies address ppl in Latin, confusing sometimes Latin and Korean)

Thou shall not reveal the secrets of Area 51! Thou shall be destroyed in... let us say... as soon as I find the way to get out of this damn fish tank...!!


Vale as long as you live, impious Roman Human,


AL.BU.CY.US
(in fact an acronym for Alien Butter Cyborg User)



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Rota
>  
> NR was behind the Roswell crash and the BA has its secret base in the Bermuda Triangle where it members are responsible for the disappearance of Flight 19 by bending time. Oh oh, and Albucius is actually a hologram whose alien body is in fact stored in a fish tank in Area 51, where he communicates with his evil minions by telepathy.
>  
> Vale bene
> Caesar
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:41 AM
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> now it seems to get really funny here, maybe we should call it a soap opera group. That draws a lot of hits I am sure.
>
> Somebody else with another funny thing like this?
>
> What about "Nova Roma is investigated for being a secret Chinese org who tries to drive the Pope so mad that he supports the use of condoms and the Chinese Rubber Industry is behind all that?"
>
>
> Rota
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:
>
> From: Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:34 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>    
>      
>      
>       Sounds like another joke
>
> of somebody who has another attention deficit
>
> disorder.
>
>
>
> But to be honest....that's a good one for a change!
>
>
>
> Rota
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>
>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:25 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Salve Anna
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Really? How did you or Maior come by this snippet of information? Nova Roma is a lot of things - most of which can be labelled as incompetent, but it certainly isn't fascist in any way shape or form.
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Care to share the details?
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Vale bene
>
>
>
> Caesar
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...>
>
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> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
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> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:06 AM
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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
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> > You are not the only one to miss something....but I have a feeling that any
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> > issue that Maior did not get her way she would label it as Fascism.  I could
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> > be wrong, but I just dont think I am.
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> Salve,
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> You are wrong.
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> Vale,
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> Anna Bucci
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80620 From: Gnaea Livia Ocella Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve, Anna,

Based upon what?

Optime vale,
Livia Ocella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius" <gaiuspopillius@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > Fascism? Did I miss something?
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Laenas
> >
>
> Salve
>
> NR is being investigated as a fascist org.
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80621 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius" <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
>
> Salve et salvete,
>
> Now that's a good one.
>
> Valete,
>
> Laenas
>


salve,

Why would that be good?

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80622 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Anna
> �
> Really? How did you or Maior come by this snippet of information? Nova Roma is a lot of things - most of which can be labelled as incompetent, but it certainly isn't fascist in any way shape or form.
> �
> Care to share the details?
> �
> Vale bene
> Caesar

Salve,


I would if I had any. NR is being investigated as a fascist or neo-fascist org by some international agency. That's all I know.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80623 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Rota
> �
> I agree. I nearly spat my coffee out laughing so much. You might as well say we are being investigated as a secret branch of Opus Dei <lol> .... anyone want to quit over that one?
> �
> We have all races, a range of creeds, republicans, democrats, conservatives, liberals, socialists...the full spectrum.
>
> If this is remotely serious any investigating agency will quickly ascertain NR is not fascist and is no danger to anyone except the mental sanity of all of us who participate in this circus.
> �
> I can't wait for updates and further installments.
> �


Salve,

I'm pretty sure it wasn't the sole reason for her departure, maybe just the tipping point.

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80624 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve~
I knew it! I knew it all along!
~ Valerianus

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:01 PM, publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...>wrote:

>
>
> Ka-he-za-lee s.d.
>
> (this is the way alien bodies address ppl in Latin, confusing sometimes
> Latin and Korean)
>
> Thou shall not reveal the secrets of Area 51! Thou shall be destroyed in...
> let us say... as soon as I find the way to get out of this damn fish
> tank...!!
>
> Vale as long as you live, impious Roman Human,
>
> AL.BU.CY.US
> (in fact an acronym for Alien Butter Cyborg User)
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Gnaeus
> Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Rota
> >
> > NR was behind the Roswell crash and the BA has its secret base in the
> Bermuda Triangle where it members are responsible for the disappearance of
> Flight 19 by bending time. Oh oh, and Albucius is actually a hologram whose
> alien body is in fact stored in a fish tank in Area 51, where he
> communicates with his evil minions by telepathy.
> >
> > Vale bene
> > Caesar
> >
> > --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...>
>
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia
> Maior
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:41 AM
> >
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > now it seems to get really funny here, maybe we should call it a soap
> opera group. That draws a lot of hits I am sure.
> >
> > Somebody else with another funny thing like this?
> >
> > What about "Nova Roma is investigated for being a secret Chinese org who
> tries to drive the Pope so mad that he supports the use of condoms and the
> Chinese Rubber Industry is behind all that?"
> >
> >
> > Rota
> >
> > --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...>
>
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia
> Maior
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:34 PM
> >
> >
> >
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> > of somebody who has another attention deficit
> >
> > disorder.
> >
> >
> >
> > But to be honest....that's a good one for a change!
> >
> >
> >
> > Rota
> >
> >
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> > --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>
>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia
> Maior
> >
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:25 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve Anna
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Really? How did you or Maior come by this snippet of information? Nova
> Roma is a lot of things - most of which can be labelled as incompetent, but
> it certainly isn't fascist in any way shape or form.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Care to share the details?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Vale bene
> >
> >
> >
> > Caesar
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 9/8/10, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
> >
> >
> >
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:06 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > > You are not the only one to miss something....but I have a feeling that
> any
> >
> >
> >
> > > issue that Maior did not get her way she would label it as Fascism. I
> could
> >
> >
> >
> > > be wrong, but I just dont think I am.
> >
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> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> >
> >
> > You are wrong.
> >
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> >
> >
> > Anna Bucci
> >
> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80625 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Aeternia Albucuio sal:

This was so far the best post you have ever written.

Hillarious.


Vale Optime,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> Ka-he-za-lee s.d.
>
> (this is the way alien bodies address ppl in Latin, confusing sometimes Latin and Korean)
>
> Thou shall not reveal the secrets of Area 51! Thou shall be destroyed in... let us say... as soon as I find the way to get out of this damn fish tank...!!
>
>
> Vale as long as you live, impious Roman Human,
>
>
> AL.BU.CY.US
> (in fact an acronym for Alien Butter Cyborg User)
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80626 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Ave!

No, it would have been perfect with a Pink Floyd Reference added in for good
measure!

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Tragedienne <syrenslullaby@...>wrote:

>
>
> Aeternia Albucuio sal:
>
> This was so far the best post you have ever written.
>
> Hillarious.
>
> Vale Optime,
> Aeternia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ka-he-za-lee s.d.
> >
> > (this is the way alien bodies address ppl in Latin, confusing sometimes
> Latin and Korean)
> >
> > Thou shall not reveal the secrets of Area 51! Thou shall be destroyed
> in... let us say... as soon as I find the way to get out of this damn fish
> tank...!!
> >
> >
> > Vale as long as you live, impious Roman Human,
> >
> >
> > AL.BU.CY.US
> > (in fact an acronym for Alien Butter Cyborg User)
> >
> >
> >
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80627 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Gaius Tullius Valerianus Anniae S.P.D.

Since when? There has been no official word of this. What is your source? I
mean, do you know this because you're on the Homeland Security team
"investigating" us? (not that you said *who* was supposedly investigating us
- the Mossad? The Inquisition? I just sort of assumed the U.S. gov't because
I live in the U.S., but we're very international . . . I bet the Italian
gov't would like to make sure we're not fascist!). Last I checked, we
haven't had an actual fascist member in years. We've had edicts against
fascism (I know Modianus put forth an anti-fascism edict as consul). Have
papers been served?

Vale. (Sadly, though I would really like to see your response to this, I
probably won't see it until at least tomorrow or Friday when I can get
online again)

Salve
>
> NR is being investigated as a fascist org.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
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>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80628 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaea Livia Ocella" <lbciddio@...> wrote:
>
> Salve, Anna,
>
> Based upon what?
>

Salve,

I don't know. I'm not really concerned about it, it's not like NR is actually a fascist org.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80629 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve Anna,

Then why did you even mention this? To strike fear into the hearts of others, create a wave of paranoia?

Could you explain please?

Vale,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaea Livia Ocella" <lbciddio@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve, Anna,
> >
> > Based upon what?
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> I don't know. I'm not really concerned about it, it's not like NR is actually a fascist org.
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80630 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Anna,
>
> Then why did you even mention this? To strike fear into the hearts of others, create a wave of paranoia?
>
> Could you explain please?
>

Salve,

I answered the question about Maior's mentioning of fascism in her resignation post.

Considering the "wave of paranoia" is actually a "wave of comedic satire" I think you're question is a bit silly.

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80631 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve,

Well considering I find some of your post humorous at times, we're even on that one.

But since you lack any actual proof of such a statement, that there is an investigation of NR being considered a fascist group.

I find it pointless you even brought it up, so to me if you're going to say something like that.

Then you should be able to back the statement up not just have Maior's word.

Vale,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Anna,
> >
> > Then why did you even mention this? To strike fear into the hearts of others, create a wave of paranoia?
> >
> > Could you explain please?
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> I answered the question about Maior's mentioning of fascism in her resignation post.
>
> Considering the "wave of paranoia" is actually a "wave of comedic satire" I think you're question is a bit silly.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80632 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>

> I find it pointless you even brought it up, so to me if you're going to say something like that.


Salve,

also, i didn't bring it up.

vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80633 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> Well considering I find some of your post humorous at times, we're even on that one.
>
> But since you lack any actual proof of such a statement, that there is an investigation of NR being considered a fascist group.
>
> I find it pointless you even brought it up, so to me if you're going to say something like that.
>
> Then you should be able to back the statement up not just have Maior's word.
>


Salve,

Why did you divide up your sentences like that?


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80634 From: Gnaea Livia Ocella Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve, Anna,

Perhaps when Aeternia mentioned a "wave of paranoia", she was considering citizens like myself who are not engaging in comedic satire, and are quite confused as to why exactly this organization would be accused of fascist activity. I'd like to thank Aeternia for doing so, since I would actually like answers, not just a rumour without foundation.

Also, as citizens, if there are people (e.g. seemingly yourself, M. Hortensia Maior, perhaps others) who are aware of a pending investigation into Nova Roma, do we not have the right to be made aware also? Or is this too far above us for our knowledge of it to matter? Is it top secret? If so, how did you come to this knowledge?

Vale,
Livia Ocella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Anna,
> >
> > Then why did you even mention this? To strike fear into the hearts of others, create a wave of paranoia?
> >
> > Could you explain please?
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> I answered the question about Maior's mentioning of fascism in her resignation post.
>
> Considering the "wave of paranoia" is actually a "wave of comedic satire" I think you're question is a bit silly.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80635 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaea Livia Ocella" <lbciddio@...> wrote:
>
> If so, how did you come to this knowledge?

Salve,

I don't know if it's a secret since I haven't been sworn to secrecy, but to answer your question Regulus told Maior about it, and then she resigned and that's why she mentioned it in her resignation post.

I suggest if you're actually worried about it you should ask Regulus for more information. I don't really care so I'm not interested in investigating further.

When I worked for the Dept of Homeland Security, NR was most definitely not on the radar. I doubt anything has changed.

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80636 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Cato Iulio Caesari sal.

Albucius actually sent me a message by flying saucer once, though. Does that count?

And we don't actually *bend* time so much as we don't actually *bend* time so much as we don't actually *bend* time so much as

rats, another time loop. Sulla! Fix that will you?

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Rota
>  
> NR was behind the Roswell crash and the BA has its secret base in the Bermuda Triangle where it members are responsible for the disappearance of Flight 19 by bending time. Oh oh, and Albucius is actually a hologram whose alien body is in fact stored in a fish tank in Area 51, where he communicates with his evil minions by telepathy.
>  
> Vale bene
> Caesar
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:41 AM
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> now it seems to get really funny here, maybe we should call it a soap opera group. That draws a lot of hits I am sure.
>
> Somebody else with another funny thing like this?
>
> What about "Nova Roma is investigated for being a secret Chinese org who tries to drive the Pope so mad that he supports the use of condoms and the Chinese Rubber Industry is behind all that?"
>
>
> Rota
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...> wrote:
>
> From: Aqvillivs Rota <c.aqvillivs_rota@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:34 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>    
>      
>      
>       Sounds like another joke
>
> of somebody who has another attention deficit
>
> disorder.
>
>
>
> But to be honest....that's a good one for a change!
>
>
>
> Rota
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>
>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 5:25 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Salve Anna
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Really? How did you or Maior come by this snippet of information? Nova Roma is a lot of things - most of which can be labelled as incompetent, but it certainly isn't fascist in any way shape or form.
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Care to share the details?
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Vale bene
>
>
>
> Caesar
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...>
>
>
>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 11:06 AM
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
>
>
> > You are not the only one to miss something....but I have a feeling that any
>
>
>
> > issue that Maior did not get her way she would label it as Fascism.  I could
>
>
>
> > be wrong, but I just dont think I am.
>
>
>
> >
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80637 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Cato Tullio Valeriano sal.

It's probably the Templars. They get around, you know.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
>
> Gaius Tullius Valerianus Anniae S.P.D.
>
> Since when? There has been no official word of this. What is your source? I
> mean, do you know this because you're on the Homeland Security team
> "investigating" us? (not that you said *who* was supposedly investigating us
> - the Mossad? The Inquisition? I just sort of assumed the U.S. gov't because
> I live in the U.S., but we're very international . . . I bet the Italian
> gov't would like to make sure we're not fascist!). Last I checked, we
> haven't had an actual fascist member in years. We've had edicts against
> fascism (I know Modianus put forth an anti-fascism edict as consul). Have
> papers been served?
>
> Vale. (Sadly, though I would really like to see your response to this, I
> probably won't see it until at least tomorrow or Friday when I can get
> online again)
>
> Salve
> >
> > NR is being investigated as a fascist org.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Anna Bucci
> >
> > __
> >
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80638 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve,

A habit of typing too fast.

Vale,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > Well considering I find some of your post humorous at times, we're even on that one.
> >
> > But since you lack any actual proof of such a statement, that there is an investigation of NR being considered a fascist group.
> >
> > I find it pointless you even brought it up, so to me if you're going to say something like that.
> >
> > Then you should be able to back the statement up not just have Maior's word.
> >
>
>
> Salve,
>
> Why did you divide up your sentences like that?
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80639 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Ave Livia,

If it is top secret, then it is secret even from the Board of Directors
list. As the only person who seems to have even a fraction of information
is an ex citizen. Not that there is anything wrong with that mind you. So,
at this point I do not see any reason to delve deeper unless we know of a
specific agency so that we can contact to confirm or deny. In other words,
this is just scuttlebutt.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Gnaea Livia Ocella <lbciddio@...>wrote:

>
>
> Salve, Anna,
>
> Perhaps when Aeternia mentioned a "wave of paranoia", she was considering
> citizens like myself who are not engaging in comedic satire, and are quite
> confused as to why exactly this organization would be accused of fascist
> activity. I'd like to thank Aeternia for doing so, since I would actually
> like answers, not just a rumour without foundation.
>
> Also, as citizens, if there are people (e.g. seemingly yourself, M.
> Hortensia Maior, perhaps others) who are aware of a pending investigation
> into Nova Roma, do we not have the right to be made aware also? Or is this
> too far above us for our knowledge of it to matter? Is it top secret? If so,
> how did you come to this knowledge?
>
> Vale,
> Livia Ocella
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Anna,
> > >
> > > Then why did you even mention this? To strike fear into the hearts of
> others, create a wave of paranoia?
> > >
> > > Could you explain please?
> > >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > I answered the question about Maior's mentioning of fascism in her
> resignation post.
> >
> > Considering the "wave of paranoia" is actually a "wave of comedic satire"
> I think you're question is a bit silly.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Anna Bucci
> >
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80640 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Livia,
>
> If it is top secret, then it is secret even from the Board of Directors
> list. As the only person who seems to have even a fraction of information
> is an ex citizen. Not that there is anything wrong with that mind you. So,
> at this point I do not see any reason to delve deeper unless we know of a
> specific agency so that we can contact to confirm or deny. In other words,
> this is just scuttlebutt.
>


Salve,

I didn't know Regulus was an ex-citizen.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80641 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve Ocella,

Based on the words of Regulus aka Thomas Mether who urgently sent out a message that everyone should leave Nova Roma because he got drunk and a "little birdy" landed inside his brain (or maybe his brian, depending upon how polluted he gets) and whispered in his ear that NR is being investigated for neo- fascist activities.
And I should know because he believes me to a wiccan-catholic who is conspiring to send trillions of little leprechauns under his skin and usurp his wife in the world of witchdom.

I did not make this up.

Vale,

Julia







--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaea Livia Ocella" <lbciddio@...> wrote:
>
> Salve, Anna,
>
> Based upon what?
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia Ocella
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius" <gaiuspopillius@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvete omnes,
> > >
> > > Fascism? Did I miss something?
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > Laenas
> > >
> >
> > Salve
> >
> > NR is being investigated as a fascist org.
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Anna Bucci
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80642 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Ave,

That would be correct. It sure seemed like he was hitting the bottle a bit
yesterday on the Religio list. From out of nowhere, I might add. If
Regulus/Figulus was Maior's source-then it says alot about Maior's judgment.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:54 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve Ocella,
>
> Based on the words of Regulus aka Thomas Mether who urgently sent out a
> message that everyone should leave Nova Roma because he got drunk and a
> "little birdy" landed inside his brain (or maybe his brian, depending upon
> how polluted he gets) and whispered in his ear that NR is being investigated
> for neo- fascist activities.
> And I should know because he believes me to a wiccan-catholic who is
> conspiring to send trillions of little leprechauns under his skin and usurp
> his wife in the world of witchdom.
>
> I did not make this up.
>
> Vale,
>
> Julia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "Gnaea
> Livia Ocella" <lbciddio@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve, Anna,
> >
> > Based upon what?
> >
> > Optime vale,
> > Livia Ocella
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Gaius" <gaiuspopillius@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salvete omnes,
> > > >
> > > > Fascism? Did I miss something?
> > > >
> > > > Valete,
> > > >
> > > > Laenas
> > > >
> > >
> > > Salve
> > >
> > > NR is being investigated as a fascist org.
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Anna Bucci
> > >
> >
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80643 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Caesar sal.

Ahh, the information came from Regulus. Well I think that explains it. Regulus was as likely to have said that we were responsible for the Bermuda Triangle, and equally there was a school of thought that was convinced that Regulus had escaped from Area 51. There might have been more grounds for the latter than the former.
 
Or put another way ... it's drivel. He got the details of the coup right, but then again that was the exception that proved the rule that the rest of what he said had to be taken with a 5lb bag of salt.
 
Typical. Even with her departure Maior managed to inject one final dose of misinformation.
 
Optime valete


--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:


From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 2:44 PM


Ave Livia,

If it is top secret, then it is secret even from the Board of Directors
list.  As the only person who seems to have even a fraction of information
is an ex citizen.  Not that there is anything wrong with that mind you.  So,
at this point I do not see any reason to delve deeper unless we know of a
specific agency so that we can contact to confirm or deny.  In other words,
this is just scuttlebutt.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Gnaea Livia Ocella <lbciddio@...>wrote:

>
>
> Salve, Anna,
>
> Perhaps when Aeternia mentioned a "wave of paranoia", she was considering
> citizens like myself who are not engaging in comedic satire, and are quite
> confused as to why exactly this organization would be accused of fascist
> activity. I'd like to thank Aeternia for doing so, since I would actually
> like answers, not just a rumour without foundation.
>
> Also, as citizens, if there are people (e.g. seemingly yourself, M.
> Hortensia Maior, perhaps others) who are aware of a pending investigation
> into Nova Roma, do we not have the right to be made aware also? Or is this
> too far above us for our knowledge of it to matter? Is it top secret? If so,
> how did you come to this knowledge?
>
> Vale,
> Livia Ocella
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Anna,
> > >
> > > Then why did you even mention this? To strike fear into the hearts of
> others, create a wave of paranoia?
> > >
> > > Could you explain please?
> > >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > I answered the question about Maior's mentioning of fascism in her
> resignation post.
> >
> > Considering the "wave of paranoia" is actually a "wave of comedic satire"
> I think you're question is a bit silly.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Anna Bucci
> >
>
> 
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80644 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Ave Caesar!

Let's not forget Regulus can levitate! That was the key in the conspiracy!

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <
gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

>
>
> Caesar sal.
>
> Ahh, the information came from Regulus. Well I think that explains it.
> Regulus was as likely to have said that we were responsible for the Bermuda
> Triangle, and equally there was a school of thought that was convinced that
> Regulus had escaped from Area 51. There might have been more grounds for the
> latter than the former.
>
> Or put another way ... it's drivel. He got the details of the coup right,
> but then again that was the exception that proved the rule that the rest of
> what he said had to be taken with a 5lb bag of salt.
>
> Typical. Even with her departure Maior managed to inject one final dose of
> misinformation.
>
> Optime valete
>
> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >
>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 2:44 PM
>
>
> Ave Livia,
>
> If it is top secret, then it is secret even from the Board of Directors
> list. As the only person who seems to have even a fraction of information
> is an ex citizen. Not that there is anything wrong with that mind you.
> So,
> at this point I do not see any reason to delve deeper unless we know of a
> specific agency so that we can contact to confirm or deny. In other words,
> this is just scuttlebutt.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Gnaea Livia Ocella <lbciddio@...<lbciddio%40gmail.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salve, Anna,
> >
> > Perhaps when Aeternia mentioned a "wave of paranoia", she was considering
> > citizens like myself who are not engaging in comedic satire, and are
> quite
> > confused as to why exactly this organization would be accused of fascist
> > activity. I'd like to thank Aeternia for doing so, since I would actually
> > like answers, not just a rumour without foundation.
> >
> > Also, as citizens, if there are people (e.g. seemingly yourself, M.
> > Hortensia Maior, perhaps others) who are aware of a pending investigation
> > into Nova Roma, do we not have the right to be made aware also? Or is
> this
> > too far above us for our knowledge of it to matter? Is it top secret? If
> so,
> > how did you come to this knowledge?
> >
> > Vale,
> > Livia Ocella
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
>
> > "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salve Anna,
> > > >
> > > > Then why did you even mention this? To strike fear into the hearts of
> > others, create a wave of paranoia?
> > > >
> > > > Could you explain please?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > I answered the question about Maior's mentioning of fascism in her
> > resignation post.
> > >
> > > Considering the "wave of paranoia" is actually a "wave of comedic
> satire"
> > I think you're question is a bit silly.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Anna Bucci
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80645 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salvete Omnes,

NR is being investigated as a *what*????? By who? and for what conceivable reason? We are many things, but ..fascist? Uh, if so, then I need to restudy political science, obviously!

Valete,
C. Maria Caeca, most confused!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80646 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Avete~

Levitate?
That is not all he can do he has been barraging me through emails on my e-store sight putting spells on me under the alias of Rosicrucian Killer from one of his email addys: industrial.fanatic@... (guess he did not think I would get it).

You know does anyone remember Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction?"
I can just hear him saying "I WILL NOT BE IGNORED"

Well I blocked his email address from the e-store site as well.

Bippity Boppity Boo.

Valete,

Julia



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Caesar!
>
> Let's not forget Regulus can levitate! That was the key in the conspiracy!
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <
> gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Caesar sal.
> >
> > Ahh, the information came from Regulus. Well I think that explains it.
> > Regulus was as likely to have said that we were responsible for the Bermuda
> > Triangle, and equally there was a school of thought that was convinced that
> > Regulus had escaped from Area 51. There might have been more grounds for the
> > latter than the former.
> >
> > Or put another way ... it's drivel. He got the details of the coup right,
> > but then again that was the exception that proved the rule that the rest of
> > what he said had to be taken with a 5lb bag of salt.
> >
> > Typical. Even with her departure Maior managed to inject one final dose of
> > misinformation.
> >
> > Optime valete
> >
> > --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> > >
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 2:44 PM
> >
> >
> > Ave Livia,
> >
> > If it is top secret, then it is secret even from the Board of Directors
> > list. As the only person who seems to have even a fraction of information
> > is an ex citizen. Not that there is anything wrong with that mind you.
> > So,
> > at this point I do not see any reason to delve deeper unless we know of a
> > specific agency so that we can contact to confirm or deny. In other words,
> > this is just scuttlebutt.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Gnaea Livia Ocella <lbciddio@...<lbciddio%40gmail.com>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve, Anna,
> > >
> > > Perhaps when Aeternia mentioned a "wave of paranoia", she was considering
> > > citizens like myself who are not engaging in comedic satire, and are
> > quite
> > > confused as to why exactly this organization would be accused of fascist
> > > activity. I'd like to thank Aeternia for doing so, since I would actually
> > > like answers, not just a rumour without foundation.
> > >
> > > Also, as citizens, if there are people (e.g. seemingly yourself, M.
> > > Hortensia Maior, perhaps others) who are aware of a pending investigation
> > > into Nova Roma, do we not have the right to be made aware also? Or is
> > this
> > > too far above us for our knowledge of it to matter? Is it top secret? If
> > so,
> > > how did you come to this knowledge?
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > > Livia Ocella
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> >
> > > "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve Anna,
> > > > >
> > > > > Then why did you even mention this? To strike fear into the hearts of
> > > others, create a wave of paranoia?
> > > > >
> > > > > Could you explain please?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Salve,
> > > >
> > > > I answered the question about Maior's mentioning of fascism in her
> > > resignation post.
> > > >
> > > > Considering the "wave of paranoia" is actually a "wave of comedic
> > satire"
> > > I think you're question is a bit silly.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Anna Bucci
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80647 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Ave amica,

> NR is being investigated as a *what*?????

By someone who does not play well with others.

> Uh, if so, then I need to restudy political science, obviously!

Political Science Fiction.

Vale,

Julia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> NR is being investigated as a *what*????? By who? and for what conceivable reason? We are many things, but ..fascist? Uh, if so, then I need to restudy political science, obviously!
>
> Valete,
> C. Maria Caeca, most confused!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80648 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Correction (was yet another resignation)
Avete,

I mean "site", not "sight", although according to the drunkard i have second sight:)
While I am at it, sorry for cracking eggs all over the steeds in the Ludi yesterday *grins* I meant yoke, not yolk - somehow it slipped past on the quick proofreading I did - but imma gonna blame on that damn word 2007 autospellcheck that I have yet to completely disable.
So the yolk is on me. And there was no blood in any of the yolks so that is a fortuitous sign!

Salagadoola mechicka boola

Oh ya got me, I admit it. I am a disneyan of the nth degree.

Valete,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Avete~
>
> Levitate?
> That is not all he can do he has been barraging me through emails on my e-store sight putting spells on me under the alias of Rosicrucian Killer from one of his email addys: industrial.fanatic@... (guess he did not think I would get it).
>
> You know does anyone remember Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction?"
> I can just hear him saying "I WILL NOT BE IGNORED"
>
> Well I blocked his email address from the e-store site as well.
>
> Bippity Boppity Boo.
>
> Valete,
>
> Julia
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> >
> > Ave Caesar!
> >
> > Let's not forget Regulus can levitate! That was the key in the conspiracy!
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <
> > gn_iulius_caesar@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Caesar sal.
> > >
> > > Ahh, the information came from Regulus. Well I think that explains it.
> > > Regulus was as likely to have said that we were responsible for the Bermuda
> > > Triangle, and equally there was a school of thought that was convinced that
> > > Regulus had escaped from Area 51. There might have been more grounds for the
> > > latter than the former.
> > >
> > > Or put another way ... it's drivel. He got the details of the coup right,
> > > but then again that was the exception that proved the rule that the rest of
> > > what he said had to be taken with a 5lb bag of salt.
> > >
> > > Typical. Even with her departure Maior managed to inject one final dose of
> > > misinformation.
> > >
> > > Optime valete
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> > > >
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 2:44 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > Ave Livia,
> > >
> > > If it is top secret, then it is secret even from the Board of Directors
> > > list. As the only person who seems to have even a fraction of information
> > > is an ex citizen. Not that there is anything wrong with that mind you.
> > > So,
> > > at this point I do not see any reason to delve deeper unless we know of a
> > > specific agency so that we can contact to confirm or deny. In other words,
> > > this is just scuttlebutt.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Gnaea Livia Ocella <lbciddio@<lbciddio%40gmail.com>
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Salve, Anna,
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps when Aeternia mentioned a "wave of paranoia", she was considering
> > > > citizens like myself who are not engaging in comedic satire, and are
> > > quite
> > > > confused as to why exactly this organization would be accused of fascist
> > > > activity. I'd like to thank Aeternia for doing so, since I would actually
> > > > like answers, not just a rumour without foundation.
> > > >
> > > > Also, as citizens, if there are people (e.g. seemingly yourself, M.
> > > > Hortensia Maior, perhaps others) who are aware of a pending investigation
> > > > into Nova Roma, do we not have the right to be made aware also? Or is
> > > this
> > > > too far above us for our knowledge of it to matter? Is it top secret? If
> > > so,
> > > > how did you come to this knowledge?
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > > Livia Ocella
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > >
> > > > "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salve Anna,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then why did you even mention this? To strike fear into the hearts of
> > > > others, create a wave of paranoia?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Could you explain please?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve,
> > > > >
> > > > > I answered the question about Maior's mentioning of fascism in her
> > > > resignation post.
> > > > >
> > > > > Considering the "wave of paranoia" is actually a "wave of comedic
> > > satire"
> > > > I think you're question is a bit silly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Anna Bucci
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80649 From: Gaius Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve,

A good joke. No one is investigating NR for being facist.

Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius" <gaiuspopillius@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve et salvete,
> >
> > Now that's a good one.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Laenas
> >
>
>
> salve,
>
> Why would that be good?
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80650 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salvete,

*Regulus*???? Oh, my ...well, that explains a lot. Not to worry Livia ...this is a bit of theater of the Absurd, nothing more, I assure you!

Valete,
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80651 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salvete Omnes,

Um ...aren't the comedy skits supposed to be sent directly to the Aedilitian
cohors? Because this ...*has* to be one of those!

Valete,
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80652 From: Gnaea Livia Ocella Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve, Aquila!

I thought this sounded a little bit bonkers... and wondered whether my concept of fascism was suddenly outdated now that NR is being seen as fascist!

Should this investigation be real, however... I suppose that whoever is doing the investigating would probably get a good laugh by the end of it.

Gratias vobis ago to all who responded to me!

Optime valete,
Livia Ocella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Ocella,
>
> Based on the words of Regulus aka Thomas Mether who urgently sent out a message that everyone should leave Nova Roma because he got drunk and a "little birdy" landed inside his brain (or maybe his brian, depending upon how polluted he gets) and whispered in his ear that NR is being investigated for neo- fascist activities.
> And I should know because he believes me to a wiccan-catholic who is conspiring to send trillions of little leprechauns under his skin and usurp his wife in the world of witchdom.
>
> I did not make this up.
>
> Vale,
>
> Julia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaea Livia Ocella" <lbciddio@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve, Anna,
> >
> > Based upon what?
> >
> > Optime vale,
> > Livia Ocella
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius" <gaiuspopillius@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salvete omnes,
> > > >
> > > > Fascism? Did I miss something?
> > > >
> > > > Valete,
> > > >
> > > > Laenas
> > > >
> > >
> > > Salve
> > >
> > > NR is being investigated as a fascist org.
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Anna Bucci
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80653 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Correction (was yet another resignation)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Avete,
>
> I mean "site", not "sight", although according to the drunkard i have second sight:)
> While I am at it, sorry for cracking eggs all over the steeds in the Ludi yesterday *grins* I meant yoke, not yolk - somehow it slipped past on the quick proofreading I did - but imma gonna blame on that damn word 2007 autospellcheck that I have yet to completely disable.
> So the yolk is on me. And there was no blood in any of the yolks so that is a fortuitous sign!
>
> Salagadoola mechicka boola
>
> Oh ya got me, I admit it. I am a disneyan of the nth degree.
>
>

Salve,

If this were a message board rather than a mailing list you could've just edited your posts for the correction.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80654 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
that the rest of what he said had to be taken with a 5lb bag of salt.
> �
>


Salve,

Cum Grano salis. I realize a lot of people are trying to use the expression "take it with a grain of salt" and exaggerrate it to more accentuate the notion that they don't trust what someone says to be truthful by increasing the salt. This expression originates with Pliny the Elder, which he suggested taking a grain of salt with food would make it easier to swallow and ward against poison.

I do not think it works better with more salt though.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80655 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve Julia et salvete omnes,

Um ...or comic book horror literature, perhaps?

Caeca, now afraid to take a drink of water, lest there be either another revelation that ...sends her into storms of helpless, choking, laughter ...or Albucius Consul amazes her with a wonderful sense of humor she didn't suspect in him ...more helpless, choking mirth! Keep this up ...and NR will be guilty of murder by ...mirth? Let them investigate *that*!

Vale et valete,
C. Maria Caeca, who still thinks this should go into the intermissio!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80656 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Fodder for the Intermissio Re: (was another installment of Resignati
Ave amica!

Brilliant! Will you write it up? And I shall weave it into the next quarter finals. Btw You will be co- announcing with me and flirting, I mean mothering, Vitus - who will also be adding his two cents.
You know I am beginning to think virtual men are the way to go - no muss, no fuss and completely under one's control:)

Vale,

Julia
Now i have an announcement to make.:(
No I am NOT resigning.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Julia et salvete omnes,
>
> Um ...or comic book horror literature, perhaps?
>
> Caeca, now afraid to take a drink of water, lest there be either another revelation that ...sends her into storms of helpless, choking, laughter ...or Albucius Consul amazes her with a wonderful sense of humor she didn't suspect in him ...more helpless, choking mirth! Keep this up ...and NR will be guilty of murder by ...mirth? Let them investigate *that*!
>
> Vale et valete,
> C. Maria Caeca, who still thinks this should go into the intermissio!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80657 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Fodder for the Intermissio Re: (was another installment of Resig
Salve Julia! Uh ...oh yeah! I'll write this up!!!!!!! (winks at group) I'd be delighted to! And ...I will? Rally? And I get to virtually flirt ..I mean ...um ...provide gentle, dignified, motherly guidance to Vitus? *REALLY?* Ah! this calls for ...a medicinal dose or 6 of really fine Felernian! or some of that lovely rose touched wine we shared (especially a certain Curule Aedile of my acquaintance) last night! And yes, I do have more of that!

I'll email you privately about deadlines, and other important ...matters (giggle).

CMC, considering ...

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80658 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Salvete Omnes,

I have gotten a late start on the second Ludi Circenses quarterfinals so it is doubtful they will be posted today.

A dear friend of mine died in his sleep and was found in his bed Monday morning. Our tight group of friends met last night and also much of the day today so I have not gotten much done.

Since it is raining today in this part of Rome from whence the Ludi springs, the race is being called on account of rain.

If i am able to get it done tonight after I get home I shall post it but I cannot promise anything.

In the meantime there are many other games to be played!

A Little Latin Ludi-loo
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80547

Certamen Historicum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80541

Lux et Vox Romanae (Audio/Visual Contest) Ludi Romani 2010
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80516

Adumbratio ComÂœdia (Theatrical Comedy Sketch Writing Contest)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80513



Valete bene,

Julia

P.S.Btw, Maria? I saw the post about the sculpting session *laughs* better watch it or I shall reveal you part in it as well - you vixen you!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80659 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Fodder for the Intermissio Re: (was another installment of Resignati
Salve Maria!

For the love of the Gods! I forgot about the Rose Wine! You must also write me in privatum and tell me what happened *laughs* I do remember it was pleasant. I must have created a work of art. :|
As for Vitus... I am not even going to think it:)

Ok I do have a nice surprise for the Ludi though courtesy of Petronius and I must post it - in a few moments..

Vale,

Julia

P.S. I think Caesar should also write something for the intermessio, don't you?


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Julia! Uh ...oh yeah! I'll write this up!!!!!!! (winks at group) I'd be delighted to! And ...I will? Rally? And I get to virtually flirt ..I mean ...um ...provide gentle, dignified, motherly guidance to Vitus? *REALLY?* Ah! this calls for ...a medicinal dose or 6 of really fine Felernian! or some of that lovely rose touched wine we shared (especially a certain Curule Aedile of my acquaintance) last night! And yes, I do have more of that!
>
> I'll email you privately about deadlines, and other important ...matters (giggle).
>
> CMC, considering ...
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80660 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Ave Julia,

(looks most innocent, lowers eyes most modestly ...hides face with fan) ah, but, my dear ...I was just a ...chaperone!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80661 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve

Do any of you care at all that she resigned?



Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80662 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Ave Maria,

You know it *is* beginning to come back to me. You showed real talent creating clay figures.. *chuckles*
I think we should have an art show with the sculptures created ounder the influence of that potion, (oops)I mean wine, we drank.

As for the rest, never tell never tell, and yes you were chaste, as I was and always am (in public.)

Ok who is kidding who - in private too...
Darn it.

But you know, I am of the age now that just thinking about it gives me all the satisfaction I need. And this brings me full circle to the subject of virtual men.

This page of the Matronae Monologues has drawn to an end!

Vale,

Julia



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Julia,
>
> (looks most innocent, lowers eyes most modestly ...hides face with fan) ah, but, my dear ...I was just a ...chaperone!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80663 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Ave Julia,


Matronae Monologues, I like the sound of that..

This kinda gives me an idea..

Kudos!

Vale,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Maria,
>
> You know it *is* beginning to come back to me. You showed real talent creating clay figures.. *chuckles*
> I think we should have an art show with the sculptures created ounder the influence of that potion, (oops)I mean wine, we drank.
>
> As for the rest, never tell never tell, and yes you were chaste, as I was and always am (in public.)
>
> Ok who is kidding who - in private too...
> Darn it.
>
> But you know, I am of the age now that just thinking about it gives me all the satisfaction I need. And this brings me full circle to the subject of virtual men.
>
> This page of the Matronae Monologues has drawn to an end!
>
> Vale,
>
> Julia
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@> wrote:
> >
> > Ave Julia,
> >
> > (looks most innocent, lowers eyes most modestly ...hides face with fan) ah, but, my dear ...I was just a ...chaperone!
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80664 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:12 PM, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:

> Salve
>
> Do any of you care at all that she resigned?
>
>
> Ave

Actually, I do care. i freely admit that we hardly ever agreed on much and
we had quite a few arguments but she was very passionate about Nova Roma and
it obviously meant a lot to her. i feel sad for anyone who gives up
something that means a lot to them. I frequently wished she behaved
differently but I never actually wished her gone so yes I do care.

Respectfully
Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80665 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Ave Anna,

Of course we do, we also care about other Novi Romani as well. There is a Ludi Romani going on which is meant to honor our Gods and also the people of Nova Roma.

I am sad whenever anyone leaves because it is a reflection on us all.
However, it is not just about one person, or two, it is about the respublica. Sometimes it is a sign of well honed dignitas to look beyond one's self and maybe wait a few days before resigning and bringing all the attention to one's self.

You do not know what was said in private, so you are acting on only a portion of the information. I assure you, though it is none of anyone's business, that I had spoke about this in private to Maior.

Further when one acts upon the advice of a madman they must accept the responsibility for the outcome.
I do hope she returns.

Life goes on Anna.

We live, we die, we're happy, we're sad, we move on.

Vale,

Julia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
> Salve
>
> Do any of you care at all that she resigned?
>
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80666 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
*grins* Ave Aeternia!

Go for it!

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Julia,
>
>
> Matronae Monologues, I like the sound of that..
>
> This kinda gives me an idea..
>
> Kudos!
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80667 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Ludi Romani Dedicated to Quirinus 08Sept2010
EX OFFICIO AEDILIS P. ANNAEI L. IVLIAE

L. Iulia Aquila omnibus civibus S.P.D.

This day of the Ludi is dedicated to QVIRINVS.

I am pleased to offer you an essay about QVIRINVS by Tribune C. Petronius Dexter and followed by the ritual to QVIRINVS to dedicate this day.


QVIRINVS.

He is an ancient and very important Roman god. God of the Quirites, he was from the City Cures and by this fact a Sabin God. When the King and Founder of Rome, Romulus died he announced to Julius Proculus that he has now become Quirinus.
Quirinus is one of the 3 most important earlier Gods of Rome with Jupiter and Mars and had his own Flamen, the Flamen Quirinalis, a festival, the Quirinalia on February 17th and finally a hill, the Quirinal.

The assimilation of Romulus with Quirinus was very much embraced by Julius Caesar and the Emperor Augustus. Unfortunately Ovid did not describe the ritual and ceremonies of the Quirinalia on February 17th, but explained as usual the assimilation of this ancient God with Romulus; he wanted to please the master of Rome, Augustus, who recently had taken the cognomen Quirinus. The ancient character of Quirinus, his attributes and stories of the god were glossed over due to the King, Romulus, and also the politics of Caesar and Augustus who claimed him as a "Julian" God because of their relationship to Julius Proculus to whom Romulus announced his assimilation with Quirinus.

As a very ancient Italic God Quirinus was both peaceful and a warrior, he was also the God of the Quirites. Perhaps a God of the harvest. His name was also added as an attribute to the god Ianus, because the meaning of Quirinus seems to be The Civilian. Some think his name coming from curis, the Sabin word for the Latin hasta, English spear or pike. He also was worshipped under the form of a spear. Others think he was from the Sabin city of Cures.

In Rome, his temple (Quirini delubrum) was on his hill, Quirinalis Collis, and near his porta, the Porta Quirinalis which was on the North of the Servian Walls, between the Porta Salutaris and the Porta Collina. There, lived the Sabins of the King T. Tatius. On the temple were the stories of the trees which grew in front of it, one the patricians' tree, the other the plebeians' tree, some words of Plinius:

"Inter antiquissima namque delubra habetur Quirini, hoc est ipsius Romuli. In eo sacrae fuere myrti duae ante aedem ipsam per longum tempus, altera patricia appellata, altera plebeia. Patricia multis annis praevaluit exuberans ac laeta; quamdiu senatus quoque floruit, illa ingens, plebeia retorrida ac squalida. Quae postquam evaluit flavescente patricia, a Marsico bello languida auctoritas patrum facta est, ac paulatim in sterilitatem emarcuit maiestas."

"For the shrine of Quirinus, that is of Romulus himself, is held to be one of the most ancient temples. In it there were two sacred myrtles, which for a long time grew in front of the actual temple(1), and one of them was called the patricians' myrtle and the other the common people's. For many years the patricians' tree was the more flourishing of the two, and was full of vigor and vitality; as long as the senate flourished this was a great tree, while the common people's myrtle was shriveled and withered. But after the latter had grown strong while the patrician myrtle began to turn yellow, from the Marsian war onward the authority of the Fathers became weak, and by slow degrees its grandeur withered away into barrenness."

(1). The old temple was replaced by a new temple dedicated on 293 BC, by Papirius Cursor.

Unfortunately, today, in Nova Roma Quirinus does not have his flamen who is greatly missed. I, as Flamen of Portunus, have a little act to make during the Quirinalia: to anoint with pitch the weapons of Quirinus.

Some words of Ovid about him:

Proxima lux vacua est; at tertia dicta Quirino,
Qui tenet hoc nomen (Romulus ante fuit),
Sive quod hasta 'curis' priscis est dicta Sabinis
(Bellicus a telo venit in astra deus);
Sive suum regi nomen posuere Quirites,
Seu quia Romanis iunxerat ille Cures.

C. Petronius Dexter
Flamen of Portunus

September 8th - Sacrum Quirino

SALUTATIO

Romulus, O Romulus among the Gods, divinely begotten guardian of Rome Eternal, O Father, Father of our people, O descendant of the Gods, You, Quirinus, have brought us into the Light, born us upon these shores. Romulus, who ascended to Your Father Mars, may You eternally live in the Heavens among the Children of the Gods.

PRAECATIO

"Father Quirinus, guardian of our success, even as You founded the City of Rome to bring Romanitas to the ancient world, lead us that we may spread the benefits of Romanitas yet further. I beseech You that You rightly guide us in our actions and take Your sons and daughters of Nova Roma into Your holy embrace. With Salus and Concordia may You heal our conflicts, unite us in a common purpose, and with victorious success, I pray, increase the dignity of the religio Romana."

SACRIFICATIO

Father, to You deservedly I give thanks. Quirinus, look down and preserve us! I do beseech you by Your good genius, come forth, return to us once more! No longer keep Your children in suspense! Father, we come before You this day with open hearts, pure and chaste. By these offerings we seek to honor You. May You hear us, O Quirinus, and may You honor us this day with your presence. As You have so often before, so now accept these offerings and bless our community.
Quirinus, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers, so that You may be propitious to me to our sacerdotes, to the Senate and to the People of Nova Roma. Quirinus, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine. Accept our libations and send upon us Your kind thoughts. May You grant Nova Roma concord and a richness of life! In You, dearest Father, in Your hands do we place our safekeeping."
O Quirinus, may You be strengthened by this libation, may You be honored by this wine.

LITATIO

To You I pray and venerate, Quirinus, Father of the City of Rome, to You I give thanks. In offering incense to You virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine.

PERLITATIO

"No more, Quirinus, do I ask of You today; it is enough."
"Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you, cultores Deorum, and wish you happiness in all that is good."
"May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious."


Bene valete in pacem deorum, et habete fortunam bonam!

L. Iulia Aquila
Ædilis Curulis Novæ Romæ
Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80668 From: Gnaea Livia Ocella Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve, Anna,

M. Hortensia Maior was polite to me in our limited conversation - we chatted briefly once about Latin and Fr. Foster's program. I have not been around for very long, however, so all I can assume is that she will be happier after this decision of hers, else she would not have made it. There are a few who are saddened by her departure, as she seemed to have a strong dedication to Rome and Romanitas - so, yes, some people care, as is evidenced by their individual posts.

You can imagine, though, that this bombshell about NR being investigated as a fascist organization has done a fantastic job of distracting from the fact that she has left.

Vale,
Ocella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
> Salve
>
> Do any of you care at all that she resigned?
>
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80669 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salve,

what exactly am I acting? I'm just curious.


Vale,

Anna Bucci



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Anna,
>
> Of course we do, we also care about other Novi Romani as well. There is a Ludi Romani going on which is meant to honor our Gods and also the people of Nova Roma.
>
> I am sad whenever anyone leaves because it is a reflection on us all.
> However, it is not just about one person, or two, it is about the respublica. Sometimes it is a sign of well honed dignitas to look beyond one's self and maybe wait a few days before resigning and bringing all the attention to one's self.
>
> You do not know what was said in private, so you are acting on only a portion of the information. I assure you, though it is none of anyone's business, that I had spoke about this in private to Maior.
>
> Further when one acts upon the advice of a madman they must accept the responsibility for the outcome.
> I do hope she returns.
>
> Life goes on Anna.
>
> We live, we die, we're happy, we're sad, we move on.
>
> Vale,
>
> Julia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve
> >
> > Do any of you care at all that she resigned?
> >
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Anna Bucci
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80670 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-09-08
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Salve Aquila,

I'm new here and I don't think we've really spoken but please accept my deepest
sympathies on the loss of your friend.

Vale,

Gaius Octavius Priscus




________________________________
From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 6:34:19 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010


Salvete Omnes,

I have gotten a late start on the second Ludi Circenses quarterfinals so it is
doubtful they will be posted today.

A dear friend of mine died in his sleep and was found in his bed Monday morning.
Our tight group of friends met last night and also much of the day today so I
have not gotten much done.

Since it is raining today in this part of Rome from whence the Ludi springs, the
race is being called on account of rain.

If i am able to get it done tonight after I get home I shall post it but I
cannot promise anything.

In the meantime there are many other games to be played!

A Little Latin Ludi-loo
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80547

Certamen Historicum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80541

Lux et Vox Romanae (Audio/Visual Contest) Ludi Romani 2010
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80516

Adumbratio Comœdia (Theatrical Comedy Sketch Writing Contest)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80513

Valete bene,

Julia

P.S.Btw, Maria? I saw the post about the sculpting session *laughs* better watch
it or I shall reveal you part in it as well - you vixen you!







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80671 From: M. Octavius Gracchus Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salvete Cives,

Today, another long-time, very active citizen has left Nova Roma; Marca
Hortensia Maior joins C. Curius Saturninus, Maxima Valeria Messallina, and
Equestria Iunia Laeca in departing this year.

I make no secret of the fact that I had little liking for Maior. When she ran
this list, she abused her power to silence a personal adversary, even as she
showed contempt for the idea of mailing list rules by forwarding messages she
obtained from the Back Alley list for the purpose of embarrassing their authors.
Indeed, mere *minutes* after Maior posted her resignation statement, an
anonymous lurker with an email username of "m.audax@..." unsubscribed from the
BackAlley list. Coincidence? Or was Maior once again flouting mailing list
rules by lurking on a list she was twice banned from, spying on our conversations?

I don't need to tell you what the word "audax" means, except that it's exactly
the sort of name chosen by someone *proud* of their duplicity.

But, once upon a time, Maior had been a productive and well-behaved citizen. As
I myself was, long ago.

And now, neither of us wishes to contribute to Nova Roma, for this organization
is a cesspool of hatred, scheming, and abuse of authority, particularly from
people who pretend to be priests.

Maior worked on the podcast. She worked on the wiki. She worked for the Gods
of Roma as sacerdos. She was excited about an upcoming local event.

She also had the unfortunate tendency to call her adversaries "atheists", and,
as soon as she had the power to do so, repeatedly tried to silence them on this
list. And, her habit of resubscribing to a mailing list she was banned from,
and repeatedly reposting material *stolen* from that private list, is utterly
reprehensible.

But because Nova Roma tries to be the big fish in the pond - the only fish in
the pond - Maior had *nowhere* to go, nowhere where she could be free of those
people who provoked her to do evil, either as adversaries or as puppet masters.

Openly defying the sentence of the court, she illegally voted in the Collegium
Pontificum to preserve an absurd, politically motivated proclamation of
"impiety" against an elected Consul who refused to obey an unelected and
illegitimate despot.

Whatever contribution Maior had made to Nova Roma, whatever she had done or
could have done as a voice on the podcast, an author, a scholar, is tainted by
her actions of these last few months, and will soon be forgotten.

So, too, will my own contribution of programming services, which was recently
given an independent valuation in the range of $20,000, one day be forgotten.

All because of politics. All because of infighting. All because there is *one*
Nova Roma, and no one can stand to see their enemies in charge of it.

Nova Roma is top-heavy - anyone who has been here longer than five minutes gets
promoted to the Senate if the Censores think they can be counted on to vote the
right way. Nova Roma is bureaucratic, with more "laws" than active members
(this is not an exaggeration - look on the wiki and count them), and persons who
are addicted to law-wrangling make life miserable for those who come here for
*anything* else. Nova Roma has a negligible presence in the real world, in the
communities where citizens live. Nova Roma is all stick and no carrot.

Weeks ago, I proposed partitioning Nova Roma into two independent entities -
independent, yet remaining in contact, and occasionally cooperating to advance
the common mission.

The consuls did not take up the cause of partitioning, and the death spiral
continues; Nova Roma has lost another *very* active citizen today. Some will
mourn her; some will cheer. Next month, someone else will depart, and so on.

Consul Albucius posted the report of citizens who paid the membership fee. That
number is *half* what it was this time last year - a clear indictment of the
present leadership and the present cultural climate.

Partitioning is the only solution.

There can be *two* Novae Romae, free from the feuding, free from the twelve
years of vendetta. There can be a home for someone like Maior, and one for
someone like me; separated and independent, yet moving in the same direction.

Other widespread membership-based organizations suffer from politics too, but I
do not believe it is on the scale that Nova Roma does - where the *majority* of
the messages seem to be about politics and vendetta, where people pretend to
speak for the gods and condemn their opponents as impious. The SCA, Star Fleet,
the AFA are not, as far as I know, dedicating two thirds of their time to
infighting. These groups grow from the bottom up, and most peoples'
interactions with them are with their friends and neighbours - not strangers on
a mailing list. Not people who weasel their way into "for life" appointments,
and whose every move is for the purpose of consolidating power.

Small groups thrive. Centralized large groups, where the most ruthless and
ambitious people hold authority over all, who *banish* or *disenfranchise* those
whom they don't like, fail.

Nova Roma *has* *failed*. It's over.

Partition it.

I outlined details of a possible partition about two weeks ago; I won't repeat
it now, as that message is readily available.

It was a good idea then, it's a better idea now. For Maior's departure
*changes* things; the ruling faction has lost one of its most vocal and visible
spokespersons, and one who illegally participated in Collegium Pontificum votes,
rendering the outcome of those votes questionable.

Consuls, I make you this offer - if you will support a plan to partition Nova
Roma, in a way that is fair and equitable to both of the two main factions;
introduce it to the Senate and the People for voting, and put your own influence
behind making it happen - I offer to configure the election software, and assign
tribes and centuries, in the same way that I did every year prior to 2009, so
that you can have legal and proper elections this year; I will do this for no
charge (assuming the hosting provider grants me the necessary access).

Though not a member, and not likely to become one while a squatter and a traitor
controls the priestly collegia, I still care about this community, and will do
my part to try to salvage it after two and a half years of floundering.

You can pull Nova Roma out of the death spiral. Or just ignore the problem, and
wait for another of your friends to depart in tears. And another, the next
month. And another.

Don't you get tired of it?

Valete,
M. Octavius Gracchus,
Consular.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80672 From: A. Decia Scriptrix Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: Certamen Historicum - Day 5
EX OFFICIO AEDILIS P. ANNAEI L. IVLIAE

Ludi Romani

A. Decia Scriptrix Quiritibus s. p. d.


This is the 5th day of the Ludi Romani, to celebrate Iuppiter and the
harvest.

This day is devoted to Iuno

Welcome to the Certamen Historicum, Day 5 questions follow the info!

VITA ROMANÅŒRUM (Life of the Romans)
The game is a series of 12 different questions with 1 – 3 answers per
question including bonus
answers based on three videos regarding various aspects of basic Roman life
that every ancient Roman would know. 1 – 2 will be offered each day. It is
designed to be fun and
educational.

TOPIC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs2gQSn2Tho&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-32UWMCrtE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giUpHkNL51Y&p=C20B1BE42D53BF2F&playnext=1&index=61


RULES:
1) Everyday during the Ludi one or two questions will be posted. You may
answer
them as they are posted or when you have time as long as they are answered
by
the Deadline as indicated below. Some are easy, some not so.


2) 12 questions, some with multiple answers earn 2 – 14 points including
some bonus
questions for a total of 60 points.

THE WINNER

The winner is the citizen who earns the most points!

DEADLINE
The 11th of September
Results will be posted within a few days of the close of the Ludi
Please send your submissions to
a.decia.scriptrix@...

PRIVATELY!

*DAY 5 QUESTIONS

**Question 8*

*8) The gladiator games also created a lot of work. Name four of these jobs
mentioned here. - 8 points and 6 bonus points if all 7 are mentioned*


Valete et habete fortunam bonam!

A. Decia Scriptrix


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80673 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: a. d. V Eidus Septembris: Asculepigenia
M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus, Quiritib us cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Deus Asculapius salvere vos iubet

Hodie est ante diem V Eidus Septembres; haec dies comitialis est: Ludi Romani magni; Asclepigenia

Asclepigenia

"Latona's grandson, revered Aesculapis, by whose mild herbal remedies too briefly are the Fates beguiled, from Rome this child sends You his golden locks, that were once his lord's delight, and along with these the mirror that often assured him he was fair. He hastens to sacrifice these tresses that once circled his shining face, happily to serve, in payment for a vow, if You judge that out of danger he will be. Preserve his youthful grace, though his hair is now shortened, and long may You keep him handsome." ~ Marcus Valerius Martialis, Epigrammata 9.17

Today celebrates the birth of Asculapius at Epidaurus. His mother Coronis, daughter of the Thessalian prince Phlegyas, was dedicated to Diana. But upon seeing her, Apollo took her. Diana then slew Coronis for unfaithfulnes. When her body was thrown on the funeral pyre, Apollo took the child Asculapius. He gave His son to the centaur Chiron, who raised Asculapius on goat's milk and taught him the cures for all diseases. So skillful at healing was Asculapius that he was even able to cure the dead. For this reason Jupiter struck Asculapius dead with a lightning bolt. In anger Apollo slew all of the Cyclopes who forged the lightning bolts. For this Apollo was made to serve Admetus, but Asculapius was raised as a God. He arrived in Rome on 1 January 293 BCE in the form of a large serpent, symbolizing rejuvenation and prophecy as took place in His temple on the Tibur Isle. The form of His temple took the shape of a large boat. This temple provided a hospital for aged and lame slaves, as elsewhere His temples provided sanctuary for slaves. The Temple of Asculapius on Cos petitioned Tiberius for confirmation of its ancient right of sanctuary, reminding the Senate of the time when Mithridates had ordered the slaughter of all Romans in Asia and Asculapius had given sanctuary to them (Tacitus, Annales 4.14). Cos was also the birthplace of Hippocrates and his followers in the healing arts were attached to the Temples of Asculapis at Rome as they were also to be found elsewhere.


"Why is the shrine of Aesculapius outside the city?"

"Is it because they considered it more healthful to spend their time outside the City than within its walls? In fact the Greeks, as might be expected, have their shrines of Asclepius situated in places which are both clean and high. Or is it because they believe that the God came at their summons from Epidaurus, and the Epidaurians have their shrine of Asclepius not in the city, but at some distance? Or is it because the serpent came out from the trireme onto the island, and there disappeared, and thus they thought that the God Himself was indicating to them the site for building?" ~ Plutarch, Roman Questions 94


AUC 762 / 9 CE: The Battle of Teutoburg Forest

Three Roman legions under P. Quinctilius Varus were ambushed and annihilated by the Cherusans under Arminianus near the source of the Ems at a place called Teutobergiensis Saultus. This forested table land was cut into ravines by steep-banked streams. The moist forest soils and the marshland around the streams did not afford passage to the cavalry and waggons, while the terrain hampered the infantry as well. Varus had also burdened himself with a large supply train and campfollowers. His engineers supervised the felling of trees so that they might be laid over the land as a crude crossway. Meanwhile it was the rear guard that was ambushed on the first day. The following day Varus continued his march, the Cherusans now joined by other Germans only harassed his colum initially. The Roman column struggled on and then was impeded by heavy torrents of rain "as if the angry gods of Germany were pouring out the vials of their wrath upon the invaders." At this point the column began to break up. Waggons were abandoned, yet some gathered around them to guard or to take what values they held. Soldiers left ranks. Campfollowers trudged on and intermingled with the Roman soldiers. March discipline had already broken down and the coheision of the legions lost. The Roman column passed beneath woody high ground, part of the Hircynian Forest. There Arminius had set up barracades of fallen trees to hide his gathering men. As the Romans passed by the Germans leaped from their hiding to take the flank of the disorganized Roman columns. Arminius especially had his men aim for the horses of the Roman cavalry. Numonius Vala ordered the Roman squadrons away from the column in an attempt to escape. But even these Romans were surrounded and butchered. The infantry, isolated into small pockets of resistance, continued to fight on. Varus, who was wound in the initial attack, committed suicide. One of the lieutenants surrendered as did some of his men, only to be crueling tortured later and sacrificed to Teuton gods (Tacitus, Annales 1.61). Most of the Romans continued to fight on. One small group made its last stand in a circle atop a low mound and managed to hold off the German attacks throughout the night. They attempted to form a ditch and a mound, but on the next morning they were again assaulted and finally succumbed. Very few ever reached the left bank of the Rhine. News of the disater first arrived at Rome in portents. The Temple of Mars in the Campus Martius was struck by lightning. The heavens glowed at dusk for three days as though they were ablaze. Comets and fiery meteors in the shape of spears streaked across the night sky. A statue of Victoria that stood on the frontier pointing towards Germania, of her own volition turned to point towards Rome. "Then Augustus, when he heard the calamity of Varus, rent his garment and was in great affliction for the troops he had lost (Dio Cassius 56.23)." The battle ended the intent of Augustus to expand the Empire to the Elbe and thus made the Rhine the boundary instead (Florus 4.12). For months afterward, according to Suetonius, Augustus was seen to beat his head against walls and shout out, "Quintilius Varus, give me back my legions!"


AUC 967 / 214 CE: Birth of L. Domitius Aurelianus Restitutor Orbis

During the reign of Valerians and his son Gallienus (253-268) the Empire saw incursions of Franks, Alamanni, Goths, and Persions go unchecked, plagues riddled the cities, and provinces broke away to declare themselves independent states, and more pretenders to the throne revolted. The tide began to change with Aurelius Claudius II who defeated the Goths, but then succumbed to plague. His legions elevated his assistant Aurelianus in his place. The Emperor Aurelianus (270-275 CE) abandoned the province of Dacia north of the Danube, relocating its Roman inhabitants in a new Dacia that he carved from Moesia. In 271 CE he repulsed an incursion of the Alamanni into Italy and began building the walls of Rome that remain to this day. War with Zenobia, Queen of Palmyra brought Aurelianus east (271-272). He defeated the Palmyrans and captured Zenobia. He then turned west and recovered Gaul from Tetricus in the Battle of Chalons (273). Later, after a second revolt (274), he sacked Palmyra. Both Zenobia and Tetricus appeared in the trimph of Aurelianus (274), a particularly joyous affair, as he had reestablished the Empire, and for that he was given the title of Restitutor Orbis, "Restorer of the World."


Today's thought is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 5.8.1:

"Just as we must understand when it is said, That Aesculapius prescribed to this man horse-exercise, or bathing in cold water or going without shoes; so we must understand it when it is said, That the nature of the universe prescribed to this man disease or mutilation or loss or anything else of the kind. For in the first case Prescribed means something like this: he prescribed this for this man as a thing adapted to procure health; and in the second case it means: That which happens to (or, suits) every man is fixed in a manner for him suitably to his destiny."


Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80674 From: Bruno Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
A. Liburnio Annae Buciae Quiritibusque SPD

Yes! We all do.

We also do not have the time, inclination or energy to become part of the incessant squabbling, sniping and fighting taking place on the main list.

We simply vote for the non squabblers, snipers and fighters, i.e. the "least" of the several evils, or leave quietly and silently.

On a personal note, I consider the resignation of anybody, including that of a member of either faction, as a failure of Nova Roma.

Vale atque valete


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
> Salve
>
> Do any of you care at all that she resigned?
>
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80675 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: A little latin ludi loo
Salvete Quirites



Welcome back to the Latin letter writing competition, a Little Latin Ludi-loo.



Today we have letter number 3.



The winner of this contest will be the one who writes the most appropriate letter for the situation set out each day. The salutations, (greeting and name, farewell and name) must be in Latin, and in a form that would be appropriate for the sender, the recipient, and the context. The words of the letter itself are in your own language.

The winner will be the one who writes the best letter and uses the most appropriate roman salutation and farewell closing. Probably there will be several winners, one for each question. The overall winner will be announced at the end of the Ludi.

So here we go with letter number 3. Get those writing materials ready. But remember that the paper or vellum is expensive, so do not write too much!

3. A farmer from the provinces, who speaks a little latin but not much, writes to one of the Equites to ask for a contract to sell his goods, which he is very proud of, in the Macellum.

You have until the end of the games to send your letter.

Please send your entry to me at

jbshr1pwa@...

*** DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE - REPLY ONLY TO ME ******

If you have problems reading my email address it is

jbshr1pwa at btinternet.com

Good luck, and I shall await your entries with interest.

Valete omnes

C Marcius Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80676 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Ave Prisce,

Gratias tibi, your condolences are much appreciated.
If you need anything don't hesitate to email me! Sometimes NR can be difficult to negotiate.
I am not sure where you are from but if you are able to come to the conventus you will be most welcome!

Vale optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jean Courdant <jeancourdant@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Aquila,
>
> I'm new here and I don't think we've really spoken but please accept my deepest
> sympathies on the loss of your friend.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gaius Octavius Priscus
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 6:34:19 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
>
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I have gotten a late start on the second Ludi Circenses quarterfinals so it is
> doubtful they will be posted today.
>
> A dear friend of mine died in his sleep and was found in his bed Monday morning.
> Our tight group of friends met last night and also much of the day today so I
> have not gotten much done.
>
> Since it is raining today in this part of Rome from whence the Ludi springs, the
> race is being called on account of rain.
>
> If i am able to get it done tonight after I get home I shall post it but I
> cannot promise anything.
>
> In the meantime there are many other games to be played!
>
> A Little Latin Ludi-loo
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80547
>
> Certamen Historicum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80541
>
> Lux et Vox Romanae (Audio/Visual Contest) Ludi Romani 2010
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80516
>
> Adumbratio ComÃ…"dia (Theatrical Comedy Sketch Writing Contest)
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80513
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Julia
>
> P.S.Btw, Maria? I saw the post about the sculpting session *laughs* better watch
> it or I shall reveal you part in it as well - you vixen you!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80677 From: Marcus Prometheus Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: From polytheism to monotheism by Mario Alighiero Manacorda, Translat
*
*

*Dal politeismo al monoteismo** *

di *Mario Alighiero Manacorda*

1

Ogni volta che salgo qui in Campidoglio, mi piace dare uno sguardo, oltre
che a Marco Aurelio, l�imperatore filosofo, ritratto a cavallo come
guerriero ma col braccio levato in un ampio gesto di pace, anche ai musei
capitolini, che ospitano il monumento sepolcrale di due tra gli ultimi
rappresentanti del paganesimo, il console Pretestato e la moglie Paolina,
morti nel 384 e 385 dell�era volgare.

* 2 *Nel monumento sepolcrale i due coniugi si rivolgono a vicenda alcuni
versi scolpiti nel marmo, in cui lui esalta lei, �dedita ai templi e amica
dei Numi, pudica, fedele, pura nella mente e nel corpo, benigna a tutti,
utile ai Penati�; e lei esalta lui, che nei dodici d�i del culto romano
vedeva il *numen multiplex* del dio unico, il Sole.
3 Era lo stesso dio unico che anche
Giuliano l�Apostata (la famiglia con lui imparentata dei Ciconii faceva
anche essa parte del circolo dei Saturnalia) aveva venerato come immagine di
quel Dio padre, *Zeus pater*, a cui chiedeva di mostrargli *la via che porta
su,verso di te*



4 Nella loro casa Macrobio immagina sia nei *Saturnalia* che in *liberalia
colloquia*, alternando, come nel *Simposio* di Platone, *seriae
disputationes* e qualche *sermo iucundior*, si rivisitasse la tradizione
culturale �pagana�.

Tali erano questi ultimi �pagani�.

5

Parler� del loro secolo, ma intendendo fare un discorso attuale, perch� in
quello si svolse e si risolse il conflitto tra �paganesimo� (una parola per
me positiva, che user� da ora in poi senza virgolette) e cristianesimo.

Nasce infatti allora, grazie al connubio col potere imperiale nella sua
fase pi� autocratica, ereditandone la sede e in parte il potere, la forma
del cristianesimo come religione rivelata, dogmatica e intollerante, che fa
capo al papato romano; nasce allora l�antagonismo dei due poteri, ignoto al
mondo classico, che, attraversando tutto il Medioevo e l�et� moderna, �
ancora oggi presente come rapporto conflittuale tra Stato e Chiesa.



6

*Il breve secolo IV *

Mi sia consentito rievocare brevemente i dati minimi della storia di questo
secolo breve, entro il quale inquadrare gli elementi della grande battaglia
ideale.

7

Il secolo si apre con la vittoria di Costantino contro Massenzio a Ponte
Milvio, nel 312, quando il cristianesimo, religione di pace, innalz�
contro il labaro imperiale di Ercole la croce di Cristo come vessillo di
guerra:



*In hoc signo vinces!*

8

Possiamo forse ignorare che l�esercito vincitore non era certo cristiano,
dato che fino al giorno prima non sapeva nulla della visione cristiana del
suo comandante? E che ambedue gli eserciti eran composti di mercenari?

Al momento del congedo i veterani acclameranno Costantino* *col grido
rituale:* �Dei te nobis servent*�, al plurale: e solo due
secoli dopo il *Codice* di Giustiniano lo corregger� al singolare. Come �
noto, subito dopo la vittoria, nel 313, Costantino promulg� il suo famoso
editto: non cristiano, si badi, ma pagano, almeno nella forma, e perci�
politeistico, �di tolleranza�; ma presto il suo esito pratico sar�
l�intolleranza, una religione imposta a forza, grazie all�alleanza tra
potere imperiale ed ecclesiastico.







9

Poi, nel 330, trasferiva la capitale dell�impero a Costantinopoli, lasciando
quella Roma che era la roccaforte dell�aristocrazia senatoria pagana, e dove
si affacciava nel papato un potere alleato ma rivale.* *Intanto, non a caso
solo ora, sotto l�egida del potere imperiale, nei primi concilii ecumenici
di Nicea nel 325 e di Costantinopoli nel 381, il cristianesimo definiva la
sua teologia e la sua struttura autocratica.

10 A questo consolidarsi del cristianesimo come potere si oppose, tra il
361 e il 364 il breve tentativo di Giuliano �l�Apostata�, cui dopo la nuova
repressione cristiana segu�, qui in Roma ma anche in Atene e Alessandria,
una breve rinascita pagana, che ebbe nel circolo romano dei Saturnalia una
sua alta espressione.

11

Ma nel 396, mentre la repressione imperiale si esprimeva in una serie di
duri editti, nella battaglia sul fiume Frigido, ai confini nord-orientali
d�Italia, il �pacifico� cristianesimo con Teodosio vinceva ancora una volta
in guerra; e nel 409, il sacco di Roma a opera dei visigoti cristiani di
Alarico metteva l�ultimo sigillo.

* *

* *

* *

*12*

*[I Visigoti ed Alarico erano stati alleati di Teodosio, imperatore
d�Oriente,( anche alla battaglia del fiume Frigido, contro i pagani ed i
cristiani moderati di Eugenio), ma si ribellarono ed invasero di nuovo
l�Italia (questa volta in proprio), alla ricerca di bottino, naturalmente,
ma, essendo ariani eretici, anche per odio giustificato, ricercando la
vendettacontro la Chiesa e Roma a causa delle durissime persecuzioni degli
eretici ariani pretese dai papi. Roma fu saccheggiata e cadde in
una Guerra di religion nel 410 dell�era volgare*

* - Nota di Marcus Prometheus]*


13

Questi gli eventi essenziali di quel secolo, decisivo anche per noi: e con
millenni di storiografia, archeologia, antropologia culturale, sociologia
eccetera, ancora non sappiamo spiegarci compiutamente perch� il
cristianesimo abbia vinto, e perch� in guerra. Scartando, ovviamente,
la vacua ipotesi dell�intervento divino con le sue miracolose visioni e i
massacri in guerra, dobbiamo domandarci: quali furono queste cagioni?
Forse,
entro le complesse questioni socio-economiche della crisi generale
dell�impero, la forza di attrazione della iniziale connotazione
rivoluzionaria del cristianesimo?

14 O, di l� dalla casualit� delle guerre, la sempre pi� profonda
divisione tra intellettuali e popolo, che lasciava gli intellettuali pagani
in una solitaria difesa della tradizione, dall�apparenza conservatrice? O
una superiorit� culturale e morale del monoteismo cristiano sul politeismo
pagano?

15

*Dal mito al dogma *

Cerchiamo di capire come si svolse la battaglia delle idee in quel decisivo
quarto secolo.

Una vulgata storiografica, che ancora rispecchia le idee dei vincitori
cristiani, continua a tramandarci un�immagine dominante: da una parte
politeismo, dall�altra monoteismo: romani politeisti e intolleranti,
cristiani monoteisti e tolleranti; romani persecutori e cristiani
perseguitati; romani dediti ai circensi e cristiani dediti alle chiese, gli
uni feroci e gli altri miti, e cos� via. Che gratificante immaginazione
storica! Ma � credibile?

16 In realt� questa vulgata � da rovesciare: ma per farlo dobbiamo
cominciare dal chiarirci le idee su politeismo e monoteismo.
Riprendendo
la paradossale definizione delle idee platoniche che Croce riferiva di aver
ascoltato da un vecchio filosofo napoletano, potremmo suggerire una cautela
preliminare: non fare di politeismo e monoteismo dei �caci cavalli appisi�,
cio� non elevare questi nomi o astrazioni a enti, dando loro la consistenza
materiale di cose reali, appese sopra le nostre teste. Questi nomi o
etichette altro non sono che allusioni, di cui ci serviamo in ogni campo
della ricerca culturale, presup ponendo un comune loro significato nelle
menti dei nostri interlocutori.

17 Ma
guai a dimenticare che sotto di essi vivono, in determinate condizioni
sociali e culturali, persone vive, diverse tra loro, e in s�
contraddittorie; e guai ad attribuire loro una connotazione positiva o
negativa. Tuttavia continueremo a usarli, magari tra virgolette ideali,
purch� con questa consapevolezza. Si pu� dire in sintesi che il
politeismo rappresenta una concezione analitica, il monoteismo una
concezione sintetica dell�universa natura, anche se n� l�uno n� l�altro si
esauriscono in queste forme.
18 Il politeismo, infatti, si presenta a sua volta in un duplice
aspetto: da una parte come culto di una molteplicit� di presenze o forze
naturali, cielo e corpi celesti, terra e mari, monti, laghi, fiumi,
sorgenti, boschi, e le manifestazioni atmosferiche e cos� via, premesse
della nostra vita, concepite come manifestazioni divine; dall�altra, come
molteplicit� diffusa di culti etnici monoteistici, in cui ogni popolo venera
i propri progenitori o fondatori o eroi eponimi, in perenne confronto,
competitivo o meno, tra loro.

19 E anche il monoteismo presenta una sua duplice natura,da una
partecome rinvio, di l� dalla moltitudine delle manifestazioni naturali, a
un loro principio unico; dall�altra, come una forma intollerante del
politeismo dif fuso, ma �geloso� (la definizione � di Mos�), per cui il
proprio dio appare a ciascuno superiore agli altri, quindi l�unico vero.



20 In questo caso, la superiorit� intellettuale e morale, nelle menti
degli uomini reali, dell�una o dell�altra versione della religione, quella
politeistica o quella monoteistica, sarebbe tutta da dimostrare: n�,
d�altronde, si scriverebbe cos� la storia della filosofia.

21 Tipico, in concreto, l�esempio dell�incerto procedere degli ebrei
tra politeismo e monoteismo.

S�, c�� nella *Genesi* la presenza di un dio unico, ma talmente confusa
che in realt� si vedono due d�i diversissimi, l�uno creatore per la forza
della parola, l�altro un signore di terre aride, che attende chi gliele
irrighi e coltivi.

Ma � poi politeista il patriarca Abramo che si confronta con gli d�i di
altri re, ricevendone la benedizione e pagando loro le decime.


22

E tra gli ebrei compaiono perfino piccoli d�i etnici, lari o penati, come
tra Labano e Giacobbe, zio e nipote, che dichiarano: �Il dio di Abramo e il
dio di Nacor siano giudici tra noi�.

E Mos�, dovendo dare alla �masnada promiscua e raccogliticcia�, fuggita con
lui dall�Egitto, un dio etnico e �geloso� che ne facesse un popolo, impone,
con una guerra civile, il precetto

�Non avrai altro dio fuori che me�, che � tutto meno che monoteistico.


23

E durante la monarchia il culto del dio unico � evidente proiezione in
cielo del monarca terreno � si affermer� con le armi nella lotta contro i
culti delle alture, dove si veneravano gli dei etnici dei clan. E
l�ambiguo processo dal politeismo al monoteismo si compir� al ritorno dalla
cattivit� babilonese, quando, con Esdra e Neemia, sotto l�influsso del dio
unico dei persiani di Ciro, Jahv� sar� insieme il dio unico del cielo e
della terra e il dio geloso del popolo ebreo: e, purtroppo, sar� anche
l�emblema di un razzismo teologico che spinger� a ripudiare mogli e figli
dei connubi babilonesi.



24 Come per gli ebrei, politeismo e monoteismo appaiono sempre
variamente intrecciati, e possono mostrarsi ora tolleranti ora
intolleranti.

Resta comunque che, in generale e fuori dai momenti conflittuali, il
politeismo � convivenza di pi� d�i, e perci� tendenzialmente tolleranza
religiosa e accoglienza di culti altrui; il monoteismo � troppo spesso un
culto geloso e magari aggressivo (o missionario). In che modo, allora, una
societ� politeistica come quella romana, abituata ad accogliere nel proprio
Pantheon tutti gli d�i, sarebbe stata intollerante? E in che modo, invece,
un culto monoteistico avrebbe rappresentato una nuova e pi� profonda
libert�?

25 Venendo a Roma, la sua storia mostra un ininterrotto susseguirsi di
quelle che Cicerone chiamava �*insitivae doctrinae*�, cio� culture o
religioni trapiantate o importate, a cominciare dalla etrusca e dalla
greca: *insitiva *la* doctrina*,* romani *i* mores*, diceva.

Anche il cristianesimo era una *insitiva doctrina*, un mito straniero, *
peregrinus*: che per� fu respinto. Perch� diverso dagli altri? E in che
cosa? Per il suo monoteismo, per i costumi, o per che altro?

26 Il paganesimo ellenistico-romano, almeno al livello colto degli
intellettuali, tende sempre pi�, magari anche sotto la spinta cristiana, ad
essere altrettanto monoteistico; mentre a livello popolare, e non solo, il
cristianesimo appare fin troppo politeistico. Pagani e cristiani non si
differenziavano molto, anche perch� non c�era, se non nell�oleografia, un
tipo unico dell�uno e dell�altro, e molti esitavano nel decidere quale nome
o etichetta darsi, e magari si ricredevano.

27 E gli stessi cristiani si dividevano in s�tte, definite a vicenda
eretiche, che si combattevano con ferocia pari a quella usata contro i
pagani. E credevano anche loro nella reale
esistenza degli d�� pagani, sia pure come idoli o demoni: Tertulliano
definiva il circo tempio di tutti i demoni, e di fronte a questa mentalit�
il pi� riflessivo Cipriano dov� scrivere un libro per spiegare che gli idoli
non esistono, *Quod idola non sint*.

28 E allora, dov�era la diversit�? Sembra a me che la diversit� tra
pagani e cristiani stia non tanto nell�opposizione tra i due �caci cavalli
appisi� del politeismo e del monoteismo, quanto in un diverso atteggiamento
mentale nei riguardi della religione, dell�uno o dell�altro tipo.

*Ci� che per i pagani � mito, per i cristiani � dogma*:

e qui � il discrimine tra tolleranza e intolleranza.

Per dirla con Platone, il mito, cui si ricorre quando la ragione non basti a
spiegare le cose, � una immaginazione plausibile, che comunque lascia aperta
la ricerca, anche se poi �solo Dio sa se questa immaginazione risponda a
verit��.

29 Questo gli intellettuali pagani lo sanno bene: Giuliano l�Apostata,
discutendo con Eraclio, spiega che i miti �vanno intesi in misura pi� che
umana, non credendo semplicemente ma indagandone il significato riposto�;

e del suo stesso discorso lascia incerto se �sia mito o discorso vero�; e si
mostra addirittura insofferente di dover ricorrere al mito:

�Costringi anche me a farmi inventore di miti�. Il
mito � fantasia e ricerca, e perci� tolleranza; il dogma, ignoto alla
tradizione classica, � immaginazione cristallizzata in verit� assoluta, �
preclusione di ogni fantasia, e perci� intolleranza.

30 Ma i cristiani trasformano il mito in verit�, la verit� in dogma,
e il dogma in imposizione a tutti con la forza del potere. � questa,
storicamente, la differenza essenziale tra paganesimo e cristianesimo.


31

*La tolleranza politeistica dei pagani.*

Tollerante era la religiosit� romana: e lo mostrer� con le parole dei suoi
protagonisti. Comincer� anzi da tre testimonianze risalenti al III e al II
secolo a.C., provenienti dagli stessi romani, dai greci, e dagli ebrei.

Se � vero che in Roma, come presso tutti i popoli, non mancarono sacrifici
umani in nome della religione, come quelli delle vestali sacrificate per le
loro inadempienze rispetto al rito, � pur vero quanto ci narra Plinio il
vecchio, che nel 287 a.C. i romani, primi tra tutti i popoli, nell�emendare
l�antica legge delle XII Tavole, abolirono �quei sacrifici mostruosi nei
quali era considerato cosa religiosissima uccidere un uomo�, sancendo �che
nessuno fosse immolato� (*ne homo immolaretur*), cio� condannato a morte per
motivi di religione. Un grande principio, mai rispettato dal cristianesimo
dalla sua ascesa al potere in questo IV secolo fino a ieri, quando il potere
statale gli � stato finalmente tolto. E anche pi� chiare sullo spirito di
tolleranza dei romani le testimonianze greche ed ebraiche.


32

Gli ambasciatori della Locride, teste Livio, li onorarono perch� �non solo
veneravano i loro d�i, ma accoglievano e veneravano con anche maggiori onori
gli d�i degli altri�. E gli ebrei, nei due libri dei Maccabei,
deuterocanonici ma storiograficamente di grande interesse, li ammiravano non
solo per la loro potenza, ma anche �perch� accordano amicizia ai popoli, e
non c�� in loro n� invidia n� gelosia�: cosa che, detta da cultori di un
dio �geloso�, si riferisce chiaramente alla religione. Ma � da dire che,
in una citt� che Livio definiva �religiosissima� soprattutto nei momenti
duri delle guerre, in generale gli intellettuali romani furono, semmai,
piuttosto scettici o indifferenti: consideravano la religione un insieme di
miti tradizionali da rispettare come la propria irrinunciabile eredit�
culturale, ma da ripensare in privato liberamente.

33 Si pensi, come esempi del loro atteggiamento, all�epicureo Lucrezio,
il quale cominciava il suo poema con la stupenda invocazione a Venere,
insieme �genitrice degli Eneadi� e immagine della rigogliosa natura, ma
denunciava poi ogni mentalit� religiosa, al punto di esclamare: �Quanti mali
la religione pot� persuadere!�; e laicamente pensava: �Dio � che il
mortale aiuti il mortale, e questa � la via verso l�eterna gloria�.





34 Si pensi al sentire panteistico di Virgilio, col suo evocare lo *
Spiritus* vivificante e la* mens *che* �*diffusa per le membra, agita
l�intera mole e si confonde con gran corpo�.

O a Ovidio, che all�inizio del gran poema sulle *Metamorfosi*, capolavoro
del politeismo come fantasiosa lettura analitica della natura, ripercorre i
due miti orientali delle origini con formulazioni identiche a quelle della *
Genesi* biblica, ma segnandone apertamente la diversit�: *�Sia
vero questo racconto o l�altro�*.

35 E qui c�� da domandarsi: ma perch� ci siamo dimenticati di
Ovidio e abbiamo voluto ricordare soltanto quel grandioso ma stupido mito
della Genesi, e farne un dogma? E si pensi poi a Seneca e alla sua
riflessione morale, alta indagine interiore della coscienza, che gli stessi
cristiani vollero accaparrarsi. Semmai, il limite di questi atteggiamenti �
che segnalano una divisione tra intellettuali e popolo, che sar� non ultima
cagione della sconfitta del paganesimo. Ma, per venire ad aspetti
pi� concreti sulla diversit� tra pagani e cristiani, ecco Cicerone disposto
a credere negli d�i e in un cielo per le anime grandi (*si quis piorum
manibus locus...*), che non credeva per� negli aruspici.




36 E *Livio*, un grande conservatore, che nella sua storia registrava
attentamente le manifestazioni religiose in occasione di guerre e di ludi, e
di fronte all�indifferentismo dei suoi tempi dichiarava: �A
me, mentre scrivo di queste cose vetuste, non so come, l�animo mi si fa
antico, e mi forza a ritenere degne di esser riferite nei miei annali le
cose che uomini saggissimi intesero venerare pubblicamente�. Religiosit�,
dunque, solo in quanto rispetto per la tradizione. Perci� era loro
incomprensibile il settarismo (oggi diremmo fondamentalismo) giudaico e
cristiano, una *superstitio*.



*37 Plinio il vecchio*, accomunando la religione di Mos� alle �s�tte
magiche�, parlava degli ebrei come di �un popolo insigne per il suo
disprezzo verso gli d�i�;* **Svetonio* di �una razza di gente di una nuova e
malefica superstizione�; *Tacito* di �un popolo incline alla superstizione e
contrario alle religioni�, che �nella sua ostinazione religiosa e nel suo
odio accanito verso tutti... considera empio tutto ci� che da noi � sacro...
disprezza gli d�i e ha a vile la patria�. Dove patria significa ormai
quell�impero che, ai tempi di Pretestato, *Rutilio Namaziano* esalter�
dicendo, rivolto a Roma: *�Hai dato
a genti diverse*

*una patria comune� *

* ( Fecisti patriam diversis *

* gentibus unam **)*

38

Ci� che appare intollerabile ai pagani � l�intolleranza degli ebrei e dei
cristiani. E questi loro giudizi ci saranno ampiamente confermati dagli
stessi cristiani, che se ne faranno anzi un vanto.

Pi� tardi, la battaglia delle idee tra pagani e cristiani ci � testimoniata
egualmente dagli uni e dagli altri: sia dai neoplatonici come Plotino
e Porfirio, che dai cristiani Tertulliano e poi Lattanzio e Arnobio, i quali
riferiscono l�accusa rivolta dai pagani ai cristiani, di �venerare un uomo,
per di pi� torturato e crocifisso da uomini�, di �sostenere che un essere
nato uomo e morto in croce era un dio�, di praticare nell�eucarestia, in cui
il corpo mangiato preserverebbe l�anima nella vita eterna, un rito
cannibalico, non giustificato nemmeno dalla sua intenzione mitologica o
allegorica.

E dai pagani, come ricorda Arnobio, veniva la domanda: �Se vi
sta a cuore il culto divino, perch� non venerate con noi gli altri d�i e non
praticate in comune i riti religiosi?�



39 E il pagano *Simmaco*, amico di Pretestato nel circolo
romano dei Saturnalia, nel chiedere la restituzione in senato dell�altare
della Vittoria che l�imperatore Costanzo II aveva rimosso nel 357, chiariva
il senso della religiosit� pagana di fronte a quella cristiana riconoscendo
che �ognuno ha i suoi costumi, la sua religione�, spiegando che �quasi tutti
gli d�i, greci e romani e dei culti orientali, altro non sono che
rappresentazioni del Sole�, e ammonendo che a comprendere �un segreto cos�
grande non si pu� giungere per una sola via�: e infine, altro non chiedeva
se non di �ripristinare quella condizione della religione che ha giovato a
lungo allo Stato�.

Tale era il modo di vedere dei pagani, che proprio non capivano perch� si
volesse cancellare l�antica religione e imporne d�autorit� un�altra.

40

*La tolleranza religiosa*

*nella Roma imperiale *

Mi si dir�: d�accordo per gli intellettuali, ma il potere imperiale? Ebbene,
anche il potere romano era rispettoso, anzi curioso delle religioni altrui:
del resto, ci� faceva parte non solo del costume, ma anche di un progetto
politico generale, di accaparramento del favore possibile di tutte le
divinit�, come avevano ben visto gli ambasciatori della Locride. E anche qui
possiamo citarne alcune testimonianze.

41 Secondo il racconto di *Flavio Giuseppe,* storico ebreo, gi� nel 64
a.C., Pompeo, espugnata Gerusalemme ed entrato nel tempio di Jahv�, non solo
si astenne dal toccarne i tesori, ma reintegr� i sacerdoti e ordin� riti
espiatori per la violazione compiuta. Cesare rinnov� l�antica amicizia del
tempo dei Maccabei, e Augusto non solo consent� che gli ebrei �seguissero i
loro costumi rispettando la legge dei loro padri�, ma concesse franchigie
per le rendite del tempio. Adriano medit� di innalzare un tempio a Cristo e
�dispose che in tutte le citt� si facessero templi senza immagini, detti
appunto di Adriano�.

42

E anche Severo Alessandro, che venerava Abramo, Cristo e Orfeo, voleva
innalzare templi senza immagini, ma ne fu dissuaso dai consiglieri che lo
ammonirono che il risultato sarebbe stato che alla fine tutti sarebbero
andati ai templi cristiani. E, ancora, secondo il cristiano
Paolo Orosio, nel 244, a celebrare il primo millennio dalla fondazione di
Roma fu Filippo l�Arabo un imperatore cristiano, che, a quanto pare senza
troppo scandalo, avrebbe perfino trascurato i riti pagani tradizionali.

43 Dunque, anche l�impero era incline a riconoscere libert� religiosa
per tutti. E anche dopo Costantino e i suoi successori, duri persecutori dei
pagani, Giuliano l�Apostata oper� formalmente nel solco della tolleranza
costantiniana, quando riapr� i templi pagani senza perci� chiudere le chiese
cristiane.

Vero � tuttavia che, nel ridar vita alla tradizione classica, egli impose
che nelle universit� �tutti coloro che richiedono di insegnare... abbiano
convinzioni non contrastanti con quelle che professano�: non si pu�, diceva,
commentare poeti che parlano di Giove, e credere in Jahv� o in
Cristo.

44 Chiedeva, insomma, coerenza, lasciando ai professori cristiani la
scelta �di andare nelle chiese dei galilei a esporre Matteo e Luca�.
Moralmente ineccepibile: anche se c�� da temere che proprio questo suo
intervento possa essere servito ai cristiani come un precedente da portare a
conseguenze estreme di intolleranza.

45 Mi si dir� ancora: s�, d�accordo, non solo gli intellettuali romani
saranno stati tolleranti, ma anche alcuni imperatori che possiamo definire
intellettuali saranno stati rispettosi, ma le persecuzioni imperiali ci sono
state, e sadiche, e feroci.

Ahim�, s�: anche se la loro ferocia � parte non di una persecuzione
religiosa, ma di una repressione politica in forme comuni a tutta
l�antichit�.

E sorvolo qui non certo per reticenza: sono cose che sanno tutti a memoria,
dato che, se non altro, fanno parte della vulgata storiografica.
Ma non si possono trascurare
altri aspetti, meno noti e certamente pi� veri.



46 Non si possono chiamare persecuzioni religiose le prime
repressioni occasionali da parte di Tiberio, Claudio e Nerone, rivolte
contro ebrei e cristiani che si azzuffavano continuamente tra di loro (*adsidue
tumultuantes*): del resto, l�impero li conosceva assai poco, confondendo le
due sette, ebraica pura ed ebraico-cristiana.

47 Le persecuzioni ricorrenti verranno in seguito, nel generale
inasprirsi delle tensioni sociali, di fronte alle insurrezioni legate spesso
al nome cristiano, divenute endemiche; e soprattutto di fronte
all�incomprensibile rifiuto cristiano degli d�i degli altri:

un�offesa a tutti gli altri uomini, prima che una ribellione al potere. La
persecuzione imperiale, feroce come tutti i rapporti di pace e di guerra
allora (solo allora?), non � religiosa, ma politica: come quella gi�
avvenuta in piccolo contro i baccanali, proibiti nel 186 a.C. col *Senatus
consultum de bacchanalibus*, rivolto non certo contro Bacco, ma contro una
licenziosit� contraria al *mos maiorum*.

48

*Non si perseguitava la religione, bens� l�intolleranza cristiana verso
tutte le altre religioni, il rifiuto di far parte della patria comune.*

*Erano i cristiani a non volere gli d�i degli altri, non gli altri a non
volere il dio cristiano:*

* e di questa intolleranza, ripeto, i cristiani si vantavano.*




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*49 L�intolleranza monoteistica***

* dei cristiani** *

Cristiani remissivi e pacifici? Un�altra appagante immaginazione storica!
Stavano davvero cos� le cose? Anche qui � necessario correggere la vulgata
cristiana. Di fronte alla durezza delle persecuzioni, la risposta cristiana
fu dura: in quegli anni i cristiani non saranno da meno dei pagani, dapprima
nell�immaginare la vendetta, poi nel praticarla.

50 Ma, anzitutto, che voleva poi dire essere cristiano? In quel secolo
di conflitti si poteva a lungo esitare tra le due visioni della vita. Gli
intellettuali pagani potevano credere in un dio padre, e gli intellettuali
cristiani potevano essere pagani per la loro formazione culturale, se non
anche per i costumi: � nota l�angoscia di san Gerolamo, che avendo
dichiarato in sogno a Dio: �*Christianus sum*�, si sente rispondere*:
*�*Ciceronianus
es, non es christianus*�.

51 La stessa teologia cristiana si viene spesso determinando di fronte
alle accuse dei pagani, come risposta alle quali nascono i dogmi dei
concilii ecumenici di questa et�. Comunque, le etichette n� li distinguono
sicuramente, n� dicono tutto su di loro. Sicch�, per mostrare l�animo dei
cristiani citer�, come ho fatto per i pagani, testi precisi: anch�essi non
marginali, ma una costante del loro atteggiamento.

52

Nel 202, Tertulliano, avendo sperimentato le persecuzioni, sogna
sadicamente, nel libro *De spectaculis*, la punizione dei persecutori nel
finale giudizio di Dio: �Che spettacolo immenso allora! Che cosa
ammirer�? Di che rider�?

Dove godr�, dove esulter� vedendo tanti re, che si celebravano accolti in
cielo, gemere con lo stesso Giove e i suoi testimoni nelle tenebre pi�
profonde? E, come loro, i magistrati che perseguitavano il nome del Signore,
struggersi su fiamme pi� spietate di quelle con cui avevano incrudelito sui
cristiani, insultandoli?�. Ammira, ride, gode, esulta, come nessun
intellettuale pagano si era mai sognato di fare.

53 E, un secolo dopo, Lattanzio, nel 316, gode anche lui, sadicamente
elencando nei loro atroci particolari le *Morti dei persecutori*, tutti
finiti male per l�*Ira di Dio *(sono titoli di suoi libri), e commenta:
�Quelli che avevano insultato Dio giacciono, quelli che avevano abbattuto il
santo tempio caddero con rovina maggiore, e quelli che avevano scarnificato
i giusti, profusero le loro anime malvagie sotto i colpi celesti e i
meritati tormenti�. Gi�, i meritati tormenti: non � dunque l�idea in s�
dei tormenti che disturba i cristiani, ma l�idea che siano applicati a loro
e non agli altri.





54 Ed Eusebio, vescovo di Nicomedia e biografo di Costantino, gode nel
prefigurare la vendetta divina: �Cos� possano perire i nemici di Cristo!�. E
Firmico Materno, nel *De errore profanarum religionum*, cos� esorta gli
imperatori cristiani a perseguitare i pagani: �La legge del sommo Dio esige
che la Vostra severit� perseguiti in ogni maniera il delitto di idolatria�,
e sui modi della persecuzione cita il *Deuteronomio*, che prescrive che se
un fratello o un amico ti spinge all�idolatria, �lo accuserai, e la tua mano
sia la prima a levarsi su di lui per ucciderlo... E anche intere citt�, se
mai sono c�lte in questo peccato, � stabilito che periscano�.



55 E il santo Gerolamo, autore della vulgata del* Nuovo testamento*,
intervenendo nella polemica sul culto delle pietre (le statue degli d�i) da
parte dei pagani, e delle ossa (le reliquie dei martiri) da parte dei
cristiani, usava nelle sue *Lettere* questo affettuoso ed elegante
linguaggio: �Vigilanzio apre di nuovo la sua fetida bocca e butta il suo
schifosissimo fiato contro le reliquie dei santi martiri e contro di noi,
che le conserviamo�; perci� piamente suggeriva che il vescovo �lo consegni
alla morte della carne, affinch� sia salvo lo spirito..., e che i medici
taglino la lingua... a quel mostro..., pazzo furioso�.



56 E Prudenzio, nel suo *Peristephanon*, celebrando i martiri cristiani,
cos� fa parlare la vergine Eulalia durante il processo: �Eccomi, io sono
nemica della vostra religione demoniaca (*daemonicis inimica sacris*), e ne
calpesto gli idoli sotto i miei piedi�; e quando il pretore le chiede non di
rinunciare al suo dio, ma di rispettare gli d�i degli altri, �freme e sputa
negli occhi al tiranno, poi rovescia i simulacri e calpesta col piede il
farro versato nei turiboli�; e poi, torturata, �canta lietamente�, finch� la
sua anima vola visibilmente al cielo in forma di colomba, lasciando tutti
sbigottiti.

La sola certezza in questa leggenda dai toni aspramente sadomasochistici �
il disprezzo cristiano verso le altre religioni: e non risulta comunque che
poi qualche pagano, dichiaratosi nemico del demoniaco culto cristiano, sia
stato piamente perdonato.

57

E a *Simmaco*, che abbiamo sentito dichiarare l�impossibilit� di capire i
grandi misteri della vita per una sola via, un altro santo, *Ambrogio*,
risponde superbamente: �Ci� che voi ignorate, noi lo abbiamo conosciuto
dalla voce di Dio. E ci� che voi cercate con le vostre ipotesi (*suspiciones
*), noi lo abbiamo per certo dalla Sapienza di Dio e dalla Verit��.

�, da parte di chi sente di avere ormai vinto, il rifiuto di ogni dialogo
e l�imposizione del dogma;

58

e la sua conclusione � un secco rifiuto: �Le vostre idee non si accordano
con le nostre�, cui seguir�, a differenza di quanto aveva fatto Giuliano,
la chiusura dei templi e la fine di ogni culto pagano.

La stessa intransigenza troviamo nella rilettura ideale della storia di
Roma, sul merito o il demerito degli d�i pagani nelle sue vicende. Gi� *
Arnobio* citava l�accusa pagana ai cristiani che �da quando al mondo
cominci� a esserci la gente cristiana, l�orbe terrestre era andato in
rovina�; e abbiamo sentito Simmaco invocare rispetto per la religione che
�aveva giovato a lungo allo Stato� (i cristiani rovesceranno questa accusa,
facendone anzi un cavallo di battaglia).

59 Tra l�altro, ci fu allora un rifiorire della storiografia pagana, con
le *Storie di Ammiano Marcellino*, amico di Giuliano, e coi compendi di *
Eutropio* e *Festo* o della *Historia Augusta*, destinati a creare una
coscienza romana nella nuova, ignara, burocrazia bizantina: e vi si
accompagnava un rifiorire della poesia in *Claudiano, Rutilio Namaziano* e
altri, stanca e imitatrice quanto si vuole, ma non priva di una sua dignit�
e di umani affetti. Ebbene, proprio a quelle accuse, a quell�accenno di
Simmaco e a quella storiografia sembra replicare *Agostino*, quando
nella *Citt�
di Dio* addita in tutta la storia di Roma nient�altro che una serie
ininterrotta di disastri dovuti alla impotenza dei suoi falsi d�i.

60 Affermazione, a dir poco, paradossale, dopo il sacco di Roma del
409, a opera dei visigoti cristiani: ma per lui quella era stata una
vittoria sul paganesimo.

Non pago di questo, Agostino volle affidare la riscrittura cristiana di
tutta la storia romana al suo discepolo Paolo Orosio, che premurosamente si
accinse al grave compito: �Ai tuoi comandi ho obbedito, o beatissimo padre,
Agostino. Mi avevi comandato di mostrare quanto negli annali dei secoli
passati avessi potuto trovare di grave per le guerre, di corrotto per le
malattie, di triste per la fame, di terribile per i terremoti, di insolito
per le inondazioni, di tremendo per le eruzioni vulcaniche, di feroce per le
cadute di fulmini e della grandine, di miserabile per i parricidii e le
scellerataggini�.

61 Che sadico inventario dei mali del mondo, per dimostrare che la
trionfante Roma pagana, creatrice del pi� straordinario impero della storia,
aveva sub�to sconfitte peggiori di quelle che il desolato impero cristiano
stava soffrendo nei nuovi, sventuratissimi tempi! Che modo idiota, bisogna
pur dirlo, dato che era tale anche per la cultura di allora, di scrivere la
storia come storia degli orrori! Un modo obnubilato dall�odio
teologico, sconosciuto agli storici pagani e a ogni altra storiografia.
Leggendo questi testi, non sembra davvero che il monoteismo, e tanto meno il
cristianesimo, abbia reso migliori gli uomini

62

*I cristianissimi concilii ecumenici *

Mentre gli intellettuali cristiani manifestavano cos� la dubbia superiorit�
del loro dubbio monoteismo, si veniva consolidando la difficile alleanza tra
potere imperiale e Chiesa cristiana, quale intanto si definiva nei concilii
ecumenici. Non si possono leggere questi concilii come astratta elaborazione
intellettuale, avulsa dalla realt� circostante: questi concilii sono
incomprensibili senza gli evidenti riferimenti al contesto del tempo.

63 I primi concilii ecumenici, cio� di tutta la cristianit� (di Nicea
nel 325 e Costantinopoli nel 381, cui segu� quello di Edessa nel 431), che
tennero dietro a una ventina di concilii locali dei secoli precedenti,
furono pesantemente condizionati dalla supervisione imperiale. Essi
stabilirono anzitutto la dottrina, ma anche, al suo riparo, la posizione
della Chiesa al di sopra dei fedeli e, naturalmente, di tutti.

Ma � soprattutto alla polemica pagana che essi intendono rispondere: facendo
delle accuse un vanto, e trasformandole orgogliosamente in dogmi apertamente
irrazionali.

64

Si sa che non solo i pagani, ma anche molti cristiani, come Ario,
rifiutavano l�assurdit� di un uomo-dio e l�identit� del Figlio col Padre,
necessaria alla fondazione divina della Chiesa.



65 Ecco allora a Nicea un Simbolo o Credo che poneva fine alla disputa
approvando i dogmi sulla Trinit� divina (qualcosa di simile gi� in Plotino),
fatta di un Dio Padre, creatore del cielo e della terra; del Figlio
unigenito, �generato ma non fatto�, il quale, �incarnato di Spirito Santo e
da Maria Vergine, si � fatto uomo�;

e infine dello Spirito Santo, del quale per allora non si disse niente,
sicch� pi� tardi a Costantinopoli si dovette aggiungere che �procede dal
Padre� (senza peraltro definirlo figlio, dato che Cristo � figlio unico), ma
dimenticando di dire che procede anche dal Figlio, s� che si dovr�
provvedervi pi� tardi dicendo �che procede dall�uno e dall�altro� (*procedenti
ab utroque*), dir� san Tommaso nel *Pange lingua*.

66 E l�aggiunta che lo Spirito �parla per bocca della Chiesa� significava
consacrare un potere che, in quanto disceso non da un uomo, ma da un �vero
dio e vero uomo�, � autocratico, anzi teocratico; e significava confermare
la *immunitas* del vescovo di Roma, �sottratta alla possanza dei re, dei
principi, dei popoli interi, conoscendosi, in chi vi siede, rappresentato
Cristo Signor nostro, principe supremo ad ogni foro e ad ogni principato�,
sancita dal concilio di Roma di un anno prima. Era il preludio alla sua
infallibilit�: la Chiesa si poneva cos� al di sopra dei suoi stessi fedeli,
come potere teocratico, al pari di quello dell�Impero.

67

Tutte queste teologiche insensatezze, frutto di compromessi raggiunti
attraverso conflitti sanguinosi, e imposte come dogmi, valsero comunque a
definire quell�ambiguo sistema di convivenza conflittuale di due poteri,
impero e papato, cio� Stato e Chiesa, incerto tra cesaropapismo e teocrazia,
ignoto al mondo antico, e che segn� tutto il Medioevo e pesa ancor oggi
sulla nostra vita politica.



68

*La condanna della gioia di vivere *

Se tali erano la durezza dei grandi intellettuali cristiani e
l�intransigenza dogmatica della Chiesa contro tutta la tradizione pagana,
occorre dire che altrettanto duro fu anche l�orientamento dell�impero ormai
cristianizzatosi. Dalla iniziale tolleranza costantiniana, pur solo
formalmente dichiarata, si pass� presto a una intolleranza peggiore di
quella del potere imperiale pagano.

69 In questo processo c�� un aspetto tanto vistoso quanto di solito
trascurato: che esso si rivolge contro le manifestazioni non solo della vita
culturale ma anche, e forse pi�, della vita ludica, fisica e intellettuale,
cio� circensi e teatri.





70 Pu� sembrare un paradosso, ma la polemica cristiana ha insistito in
forme maniacali contro la vita ludica, dando fra l�altro luogo a un�altra
inaccettabile vulgata storiografica, cio� che i romani altro non facessero
che darsi a teatri e circensi, e che nell�eccesso dei circensi fosse la
principale causa della caduta dell�impero.

71 In realt�, la societ� politeistica pagana aveva mostrato una totale
coerenza tra l�ideologia e il costume di vita: la vita ludica era mimesi
gioiosa della vita impegnata delle armi e della cultura; teatro e circensi,
ludi dell�uno e dell�altro genere (*ludi* *utriusque generis*),
intellettuale e fisico, erano atti religiosi, per il culto degli d�i e il
piacere degli uomini (*cultus deorum et hominum voluptatis causa*).



72 Per questo, cosa lontanissima dalla cultura di oggi, Varrone ne aveva
parlato nelle *Antichit� divine*, e ora Macrobio confermava, tra l�altro,
che �i culti si celebrano quando si fanno ludi in onore degli d�i�. Ebbene,
proprio per questo, non solo gran parte della polemica cristiana si rivolge
contro i ludi, ma anche gli imperatori si accaniscono contro di essi: la
cancellazione dei ludi � una persecuzione religiosa.





73 Gi� alcuni concilii locali avevano fulminato pene gravissime contro
quanti �nei ludi dei circhi, dei teatri e delle arene si scomponessero nel
guidar cocchi e atteggiarsi da buffone�.

A queste condanne della Chiesa si aggiunsero in modo risolutivo, a fine
secolo, quelle dell�impero: gli imperatori* *Valentiniano, Arcadio, Teodosio
e Onorio, nel 392, 394 e 399, rovesciando la tolleranza costantiniana e
distorcendo la lezione morale di Giuliano, proibirono tutte le
manifestazioni pagane, intellettuali e fisiche, nei templi, nei teatri e nei
circhi.

74 E pochi anni dopo, nel 409, l�imperatore d�Oriente, Teodosio II,
ribadiva la condanna con le stesse e anche pi� precise parole: �Di domenica,
primo giorno della settimana, e a Natale, Pasqua e Quinquagesima, � proibito
ogni divertimento dei teatri e dei circensi, tutte le menti dei cristiani e
dei fedeli siano occupate nei culti di Dio�.

Si badi, �le menti�: dalla politeistica e pagana libert� di culto, si �
ormai passati alla monoteistica e cristiana costrizione non solo dei
comportamenti (i *mores*), ma anche delle menti (la *doctrina*). Si doveva
essere cristiani per forza, pensare come volevano la Chiesa e l�impero.





75 Con queste, che ad Agostino parevano �misericordiosissime leggi�,
minaccianti punizioni divine ed umane, si attuava una cosa nuova e tremenda,
ignota al politeismo pagano: si creava un dualismo dei poteri, uno
dei quali addetto al dominio sulle menti.

Paradossalmente, tutto ci� si manifestava nella polemica contro la vita
ludica, mimesi gioiosa della vita reale. Eppure, anche su questo punto c��
una vulgata storiografica, che �da queste feste i cristiani si tengono
lontani per ragioni di ordine morale�.

Che appagante immaginazione storica, anche questa! I pagani empi e tutti
dediti ai teatri e al circo, i cristiani pii e riservati in chiesa!



76 Fatto sta che le proibizioni imperiali la smentiscono: non si proibisce
se non ci� che si suole fare, e in generale la prima lettura che si dovrebbe
fare delle leggi nella storia, � che ci informano sul contrario di quello
che prescrivono o proibiscono: in particolare, queste leggi cento volte
ripetute contro teatri e circensi ci mostrano come esse fossero normalmente
trasgredite dagli stessi cristiani.

Del resto, sono pi� volte gli stessi padri della Chiesa a mostrarci i
cristiani impazzare e sputtaneggiare (*bacchari et moechari*) nei teatri e
nei circhi.



77 E Agostino ci narra che, dopo le grandi persecuzioni durante le
quali molti cristiani erano ricaduti, *lapsi*, nel paganesimo, molti che
sarebbero voluti tornare cristiani �rimpiangevano queste pericolosissime e
tuttavia antichissime volutt��.

78 Che fare, allora? Semplice: �Parve opportuno celebrare altri giorni
festivi in onore dei santi e dei martiri, non con tale sacrilegio quantunque
con simile lusso�. Insomma, si cambi� il nome delle divinit� cui dedicare
le �volutt��: ma cos� si perse l�antica coerenza tra ideologia e vita, si
tolse ai ludi il loro valore religioso di mimesi della vita seria, che era
l�altissima virt� del paganesimo. D�ora in poi, tra ludi e religione, tra
svaghi e morale si instaura una contraddizione insanabile, e ne risulter� un
inguaribile spirito di ipocrisia, un divaricarsi tra predica e pratica, che
accompagner� tutta la civilt� cristiana.

79 Pi� tardi, negli anni intorno alla caduta dell�impero d�Occidente,
Salviano, vescovo di Marsiglia, torner� su questo tema definendo, con amaro
gioco di parole, *�i pubblici ludi, ludibrio della nostra vita�;* e, dando
ai circensi la colpa della decadenza di Roma (confondeva, semmai, la causa
con l�effetto), aggiunger�: �Tutto il mondo romano � misero e lussurioso.
Chi, domando, � povero e scherza; chi, aspettando la prigionia, pensa al
circo; 80 chi teme la morte e ride? Noi anche nel timore della
prigionia giochiamo e, posti nel timore della morte, ridiamo. Potresti
credere che tutto il popolo romano si sia saturato di erbe velenose: muore e
ride�. Questa strana idea cristiana di una Roma che muore ridendo � un�altra
vulgata storiografica, seriosamente ripresa anche da tanta moderna
storiografia, a cominciare dal grande Gregorovius.

Eppure, come non vedere che nei ludi, mimesi gioiosa della *virtus* romana,
si esprimeva la nostalgia dell�antica grandezza?


81

*L�odio teologico e i suoi guasti *

La polemica infuria ancora contro questa Roma prostrata.

Agostino, vissuto nel momento in cui Teodosio celebrava i fasti della sua
intolleranza, esultava perch� l�imperatore �dall�inizio del suo stesso
impero non cess� di aiutare la Chiesa travagliata per mezzo delle sue
giustissime e misericordiosissime leggi contro gli empi�:
dove gli avversari sono tali perch� empi,
e diventa misericordia il minacciare pene perfino alle coscienze.

82 Ma, ad additare l�incoerenza delle accuse cristiane, valga la polemica
di Agostino sulla pena di morte. I pagani, diceva, sogliono uccidere, mentre
�i cristiani non uccidono nessuno�.



83 Peccato che subito dopo aggiungeva una tremenda riserva, che ricorda
le minacce di Teodosio e risuona tanto pi� torva dopo le tremende stragi
gotiche di Roma,* *che lui e i suoi cristiani avevano rimpianto che non
fossero state totali, una *shoah*, contro i pagani: �non uccidono nessuno,
eccetto quelli che Dio comanda di uccidere� (*exceptis his, quos Deus occidi
iubet*). E, a scanso di equivoci, ripeteva e precisava: �Eccetto dunque
quelli che o una legge giusta *generaliter* o la stessa fonte della
giustizia, Dio, *specialiter* comanda di uccidere...�.

84 E che altro � questo presunto comando di Dio, se non l�arbitrio di
quelli che si autoproclamano suoi rappresentanti in terra? Questo
sadismo teologico, che uccide negando di uccidere, � cosa esclusivamente
cristiana: si ricordi il decreto romano, citato da Plinio il vecchio,
*ne homo immolaretur*.

85 Ma in Agostino c�� anche dell�altro. Quante volte si � scritto che il
cristianesimo ha abolito la schiavit�? Ebbene, eccolo ancora: �Si comprende
che la schiavit� � imposta a buon diritto al peccatore... La prima causa
della schiavit� � il peccato�. E il peccato, secondo lui e comunque da
Teodosio in poi, � anzitutto il credere in un dio diverso da quello
predicato dal beatissimo apostolo Pietro, e imposto a tutti dall�imperatore.



86 E pensare che gi� Seneca aveva scritto, e Macrobio ripetuto:

�Ma perch� tanta ingiustificata avversione per gli schiavi? Come se non
fossero uguali a te... Sono
schiavi, anzi uomini. Sono schiavi, anzi compagni di servit�, se rifletti
che la sorte esercita sugli uni e sugli altri il suo potere in ugual
misura�.

87 Agostino � stato uno dei grandi padri della Chiesa, che da lui ha
appreso per secoli le ragioni della sua fede e dei suoi comportamenti, anche
su queste due questioni di principio, quali la pena di morte e la schiavit�.

88 E se, a riprova, mi � qui concesso un diretto riferimento a
quell�oggi, che ho cercato di dimostrare nato in quel IV secolo, ecco il
nuovo *Catechismo della Chiesa cattolica*, dell�11 ottobre 1992, sancire il
diritto e il dovere della legittima autorit� pubblica di infliggere pene
proporzionate alla gravit� del delitto, senza escludere, in casi di estrema
gravit�, la pena di morte: una sentenza pubblicata nel fervore delle
iniziative mondiali per abolirla. E sarebbe poco, se poi non si intendesse
giustificare questa tesi spiegando che �nei tempi passati, da parte delle
autorit� legittime si � fattocomunemente ricorso a pratiche crudeli per
salva guardare la legge e l�ordine, spesso senza protesta dei pastori della
Chiesa, i quali nei loro propri tribunali hanno essi stessi adottato le
prescrizioni del diritto romano sulla tortura�.



89 Come dire che la colpa � del diritto romano: eppure la Chiesa,
mentre lo assumeva tranquillamente per questa parte omicida, ne stava
cancellando ogni traccia nella tradizione culturale e nella sua mimesi
ludica. Ma il paragrafo del *Catechismo* continua: �Accanto a tali fatti
deplorevoli, per�, la Chiesa ha sempre insegnato il dovere della clemenza e
della misericordia: ha vietato al clero di versare il sangue�: certo,
lasciandolo materialmente versare per secoli, su sua indicazione e sotto la
sua supervisione, al braccio secolare dello Stato, e addirittura
santificandolo come *auto da f�*, atto di fede.

90 E a proposito del diritto romano, come non ricordare che il
cristianesimo dove non ha potuto distruggere tutto ci� che era pagano, se lo
� accaparrato? Giustiniano, questo imperatore che, secondo Procopio, era
�praticamente analfabeta, cosa che non si era mai vista nell�impero
romano..., e che nella lingua, nell�aspetto esterno e nella mentalit� si
comportava come un barbaro�, ordinata la raccolta delle leggi romane (c��
forse qualcosa di pi� pagano?) l�intitoler� al nome di Cristo: *�Proemium
de Confirmatione
Institutionum, In nomine Domini nostril
JesuChristi..*�.


Che impudente falsificazione storica!**





91

Il cristianesimo o cancella o si accaparra quanto di vitale c�� nel
paganesimo: accoglie l�eredit� delle sue leggi, proibisce o santifica i suoi
ludi, trasforma i templi in chiese, come in �Santa Maria sopra Minerva,

sostituisce gli d�i con angeli e santi, chiama il papa Pontefice Massimo,
occupa la sua sede, fuori della quale e senza la quale il vescovo di Roma
non sarebbe papa.



92 Certo, la societ� imperiale romana, che gi� ai tempi di Livio
�soffriva per la sua stessa grandezza�, era ormai giunta al culmine di una
gloriosa e tremenda parabola storica.

Eppure, essa ha conservato agli occhi della storia un suo fascino, non solo
per la sua grandezza, ma anche per una virt� che la fece apparir bella agli
uomini del Rinascimento, e che le successive societ� cristiane hanno per
sempre perduta: la coerenza tra l�ideologia e il costume di vita, tra la *
doctrina* e i *mores*.







* *

*93 Per un nuovo politeismo laico*

Conceder� volentieri che questo mia critica della vulgata storiografica non
� tutta la storia n� del paganesimo n� del cristianesimo. � tuttavia un
aspetto non confutabile della loro storia, che ho documentato con atti e
parole non occasionali ma coerenti dei loro protagonisti: se non lo si
assume, non si capisce niente. So bene, d�altra parte, che questo
cristianesimo intollerante e ipocrita ha tuttavia rappresentato un momento
alto della storia umana, vivendo al suo interno aspre contraddizioni (il
bene e il male si annidano dappertutto): so che il suo �dare a Dio quel che
� di Dio� pu� aver rappresentato una rivendicazione di libert� delle
coscienze; so che in suo nome, accanto alle infamie del potere, ci sono le
opere oneste e gli affetti profondi di tante persone che si sono proclamate
cristiane.

94 Tuttavia, � pur vero che esso (soprattutto in ci� che fu in quel
determinante secolo IV) non � in grado di evocare alcuna coerente
immaginazione storica di bellezza o di grandiosit�, come la evocano l�antica
Grecia e l�antica Roma. Certo � che il cristianesimo non ha
migliorato il mondo, non ha reso gli uomini migliori e, per quel tanto che
pu� avere avuto di intimamente sovvertitore, diciamo pure di rivoluzionario,
� stato, come sempre nella storia, una rivoluzione accaparrata da un nuovo
potere.



� cos� che la storia fa sempre un passo avanti e uno indietro: un passo
avanti nello sviluppo, uno indietro nelle sue contraddizioni.

95 *Vorrei concludere *auspicando quello che � riecheggiando il *nouveau
christianisme* socialista di Saint-Simon di due secoli fa � potrei chiamare
un nuovo paganesimo, o un nuovo politeismo laico: cio� un pluralismo in cui,
credendo ognuno quello che vuole, come per Costantino e Simmaco, nessuno
pretenda di imporre all�altro, con la forza del potere, la propria parola
come parola di Dio. Che � la vera, anzi la sola �bestemmia contro lo
Spirito�: il solo spirito che positivamente conosciamo, quello dell�uomo.

La lotta contro questa imposizione dura da un millennio e mezzo: ma � stata,
appunto, una lotta.

La storia d�Europa � storia non tanto del cristianesimo, quanto della
perenne lotta per la liberazione degli uomini dall�imposizione del
cristianesimo come potere �teodosiano� sulle coscienze.

---------------------------------------------

*Questo articolo � lo sviluppo della relazione introduttiva al Convegno su*
* �2004: una Costituzione laica per l�Europa�, tenutosi nella sala
della Protomoteca in Campidoglio a Roma, sabato 9 febbraio 2002, * *per
iniziativa della �Societ� laica e plurale�.*

* *

* **From polytheism to monotheism**

*

*Author: Mario Alighiero Manacorda*

*Translated by Marcus Prometheus *
1
Every time I come up here in the Capitol, I like to have a look, not only at
Marcus Aurelius, the philosopher-emperor, portrayed as a warrior on
horseback but with his arm raised in a wide gesture of peace, [but] even [to
have a look] at the Capitoline Museums, which house the burial monument of
two of the last representatives of paganism, the consul Pretextatus and his
wife Paulina, who died in 384 and 385 of this common era.

2 In the monumental tomb the couple adress to each other some verses
carved in marble, in which he praises her, "devoted to the temples and
friend of Gods, modest, faithful, pure in mind and body, benign towards
everybody, useful to the Penati", and she praises him, who in the twelve
gods of the Roman religion saw the *numen multiplex* of the single god, the
Sun.

3 He was the same single god which Julian the Apostate (The Ciconii family
related with him was also part of the Saturnalia circle) did venerate as
image of that father God, Zeus Pater, whom he demanded to show him �the
road leading up toward you.�



4 In their home Macrobius imagines both in*Saturnalia* and in *Liberalia
colloquia*, alternating, as in Plato's *Symposium*, *seriae disputationes *[=
serious discussions] and some *sermo iucundior*, [= more pleasant talk],
that the cultural "pagan" tradition was revisited .

Such were these latter "pagans."

5

I will speak of their age, but intending to make a speech for today, because
in that [century] took place and was resolved the conflict between
"Paganism" (a good word for me, I will use from now on without the �quotes�)
and Christianity.

It was born then, through the marriage with the imperial power in its most
autocratic phase, inheriting the seat and partially the power, the shape of
Christianity as a revealed religion, dogmatic and intolerant, which belongs
to the Roman papacy; I is then that was born the antagonism of the two
powers, unknown to the classical world, which, throughout all the Middle
Ages and the Modern Age, is still present today as a conflictual
relationship between church and state.




6

*The brief fourth century*

Let me briefly recall some minimum information about the history of this
short century, within which to frame the elements of the great ideal
battle.


7

The century opened with the victory of Constantine against Maxentius at
Ponte Milvio, ( Milvius Bridge, Rome) in 312, when Christianity, a religion
of peace, raised against the imperial banner of Hercules the cross of Christ
as a banner of war:

*In hoc signo vinces!*

[ =In this sign you will win�]

8

Can we ignore that the victorious army was not Christian until the day
before because he knew nothing of the Christian view of his master?

And both armies consisted of mercenaries?

When veterans left the legions they will acclaim Constantine by the ritual
shouting wishing him: *�Dei te nobis servent*�,

("Will Gods preserve you for us!)

[note the word *Gods* in the plural]:

and only two centuries after the Code of Justinian will correct [Gods] in
the singular. As you know, immediately after the victory, in 313,
Constantine promulgated his famous edict: no Christian, mind you, but pagan,
at least in form, and therefore polytheistic, [edict of] "tolerance"; but
soon his practical outcome will be the intolerance, a religion imposed by
force, through the alliance between ecclesiastical and imperial power.







9

Then, in 330, transferred the imperial capital to Constantinople, leaving
the Rome that was the stronghold of pagan senatorial aristocracy, and where
you in the papacy began an allied but rival power.

Meanwhile, not surprisingly only now, under the aegis of imperial power, in
the early ecumenical councils of Nicaea in 325 and Constantinople in 381,
Christianity defined his theology and his autocratic structure.



10 In this consolidation of christianity as power , Julian "the
Apostate" opposed a brief attempt [of resistence] between 361 and 364,
after which [and] the new Christian repression, followed, here in Rome but
also in Athens and Alexandria, a brief pagan revival which had in the roman
circle of the Saturnalia one of its highest expressions.


11

But in 396, while the imperial repression was expressed in a series of harsh
edicts, in the battle on the Frigid River, near the north-eastern borders of
Italy, the "peaceful" christianity led by Theodosius won once again at war,
and in 409, the sack of Rome by Visigoth christians of Alaric put the
final seal.






* *

*
*



12

*[The Visigoths and Alaric were former allies of Theodosius, the eastern
emperor,(also in the battle of the Frigidus river aginst pagans and
christian moderates of Eugenius), but rebelled and invaded again Italy
(this time on their own), looking for booty, of course, but, being arians
eretics also for justified hate, seeking revenge against the Church and
Rome because of imperial harsh persecutions of arians erethics requested by
popes.*

*Rome was sacked and fell in a religios war in 410 c.e.*

* - Note by M.Prometheus]*

*
*

*
*

13

These key events of that century, decisive for us too: and evwn after
millennia of historical stidies, archeology, cultural anthropology,
sociology, etc., yet we are not able to explain ourselves fully why
christianity won, and why by war.

Discarding, of course, the vacuous hypothesis of divine intervention with
its miraculous visions and massacres in war, we must ask: what were these
causes?

Perhaps, within the complex socio-economic matters of the general crisis of
the empire, the attraction force of the initial revolutionary connotation of
christianity?


14

Or, beyond the chances of war, [the cause was] the deeper and deeper
division between intellectuals and people which left the pagan intellectuals
in a solitary defense of tradition, an apparently conservative-looking
defence?

Or a cultural and moral superiority of Christian monotheism on pagan
polytheism?


15
*From Myth to dogma*


Let�s try to understand what occurred in the battle of ideas in that
decisive fourth century.
A historical vulgate, which still reflects the ideas of the christians
winners, continues to pass a dominant image: At one side polytheism, on the
other monotheism:

polytheists and intolerant Romans, monotheists and tolerant Christians,

Roman persecutors and persecuted Christians, the Romans dedicated to circus
games and Christian devoted to churches, the ones ferocious and the others
peaceful, and so on. What a rewarding historical imagination! But is it
credible?

16 In reality this �vulgate� (=popular history widely believed but
false) must be overthrown: but do it we have to begin to clarify our ideas
about monotheism and polytheism.
Adopting the paradoxical definition of Platonic ideas that Benedetto Croce
[Italian philosopher] reported having heard from an old Neapolitan
philosopher, we suggest a pre-caution: do not transform monotheism and
polytheism in some "cacicavalli appisi" [=cheese hanged to the wall], i.e
do not transform these names or abstractions into entities, giving them the
real substance of real things, [like material things] hanging over our
heads. These names or labels are nothing more than allusions, which we use
in every field of cultural research, assuming a common significance in the
minds of the people we talk to.

17

But troubles and woes arise to forget that under them, lives in certain
social and cultural conditions, real people, different, and contradictory,
and trouble arises if we give them a positive or negative connotation.
However we will continue to use them, maybe ideally �quoted�, provided we
keep this awareness.



It can be said in summary that the polytheism is an analytical conception,
while monotheism is a synthetic conception of the universe nature, although
neither one nor the other are exhausted in these forms.

18 Polytheism, in fact, shows itself in two aspects: first as the
worship of a multiplicity of presences or forces of nature, sky and heavenly
bodies, earth and seas, mountains, lakes, rivers, springs, forests, and
weather events and so on, conditions of our life, conceived as divine
manifestations on the other, as widespread diversity of ethnic monotheistic
religions, in which every people worships their ancestors or founders or
eponymous heroes, in perpetual confrontation, competitive or not with each
other.


19 And even monotheism has its own dual nature, One side as a
reference, beyond the multitude of natural events, to their single
principle, bit on the other side as an intolerant form of the widespread
polytheism , [polytheistic] but "jealous" (the definition belongs toMoses),
so their own god, toeach people, looks superior to the others, so the only
true one.





20 In this case, the intellectual and moral superiority in the minds of
real men, belonging to any version of religion, the monotheistic or the
polytheistic, might be demonstrated:

neither, for that matter, this would constitute history of philosophy .

21 Typical in practice, the example of the uncertain steps of the Jews
between monotheism and polytheism.

Yes, there is in Genesis the presence of a single god, but so confusing that
you actually see two very different gods, one creator by the power of the
word, the other a master of arid lands, which expects who irrigates and
works them.

But is polytheist the patriarch Abraham who confronts the gods of other
kings, receiving their blessing and paying their tithes.

22

And among the Jews appear even smaller ethnic gods, household gods Lari or
Penati, as between Laban and Jacob, uncle and nephew, who say: "The God of
Abraham and the God of Nahor be judges are among us."

And Moses, having to give to the " promiscuous and scratch gang, fled with
him from Egypt, an ethnic god and "a jelous god� able to make a people from
them, by civil war imposes the commandment "

You shall have no other God besides me," which is anything but a
monotheistic.

23

And during the monarchy, the cult of one god - clear projection in the sky
of the monarch on land - will be established by weapons in the fight against
the cults of the hills, where the ethnic gods of the clans were worshipped.

And the ambiguous process from polytheism to monotheism will be completed on
return from Babylonian captivity, when, with Ezra and Nehemiah, under the
influence of the single god of the Persians of Cyrus, Yahweh will be
together the single God of heaven and earth and the jealous god of the
jewish people: and, unfortunately, will be also emblematic of a
theological racism that will push to repudiate wives and children of
babylonians marriages.

24

As for Jews, monotheism and polytheism are always intertwined in various
ways, and can show themselves sometimes tolerant and in other times
intolerant.

Anyway, in general, excepting some moments of conflict, polytheism is
coexistence of more gods, and therefore tends to religious tolerance and
acceptance of others' religions;

monotheism is too often a jealous worship and perhaps aggressive (or
missionary).

How, then, a polytheistic society as the Roman, used to welcome all the gods
in their Pantheon, would have been intolerant?

And how, instead, a monotheistic religion would have represented a new and
deeper freedom?



25 Coming to Rome, her history shows an unbroken succession of those
that Cicero called "insitivae doctrinae", that is transplanted cultures or
religions or imported, starting from the Etruscan and Greek: *Insitiva
doctrina*, *romanae mores* Insitiva (transplanted,
imported ) was the doctrina, (religion) romanae were the mores (roman was
the custom) he said.

Even christianity was an *insitiva doctrina*, a foreign myth, *peregrinus:
* but it was rejected. Why different from others? And in what? For his
monotheism, the customs, or what?

26 The Hellenistic and Roman paganism, at least at the level of educated
intellectuals, tends more and more, perhaps spurred also by christians, to
be equally monotheistic, while at the popular level, and not just there
christianity seems too polytheistic.

Pagans and Christians were not very different, also because there was not,
(except in our prejudiced imagination) , a unique type of both, and many
were reluctant to decide what name or label to give themselves, and maybe
they recanted.

27 And Christians themselves were divided into sects, declaring each
other heretical, and who fought among themselves with ferocity equal to that
used against the pagans.

And they also believed in the real existence of the pagan gods, even as
idols or demons: Tertullian called the circus temple of all demons, and in
front of this mentality the more reflective Cyprian had to write a book to
explain that the idols do not exist,

*Quod idola non sint*.


28 So where was the diversity?

It seems to me that the difference between pagans and Christians is not so
much the opposition between the two "hanged cheeses" of polytheism and
monotheism, as in a different mental attitude towards religion, of to one
or of the other kind.

*What is myth to Gentiles, for Christians is dogma: *

and here is the distinction between tolerance and intolerance.

To quote Plato, myth, which is used when the reason is not sufficient to
explain things, is a plausible imagination, that still leaves open the
search, even if

"only God knows if this imagination is true."





29 Pagan intellectuals are well aware of this: Julian the Apostate,
discussing with Heraclius, explains that the myths are to be understood in a
more than human way, not simply beliving but investigating the hidden<br/><br/>(Message over 64 KB, truncated)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80678 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
Salve Aquila,

You are most welcome. I have experienced the loss of several family members and
friends myself over the years and I know the depth of that pain.

I will keep your offer of assistance in mind as I continue to explore Nova Roma,
the wiki, and the archives; there is a LOT to absorb and sort through.

This is clearly quite a complex group of people many of whom are brilliant and
passionate thinkers. I hope to meet and converse with many as the days, weeks,
months, and hopefully, years continue.

When and where is the conventus? I remember seeing a posting about it and think
it was scheduled for sometime in October in a southern state of the US. I
myself live in Maine.

Vale,

Gaius Octavius Priscus




________________________________
From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 2:26:10 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010


Ave Prisce,

Gratias tibi, your condolences are much appreciated.
If you need anything don't hesitate to email me! Sometimes NR can be difficult
to negotiate.
I am not sure where you are from but if you are able to come to the conventus
you will be most welcome!

Vale optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jean Courdant <jeancourdant@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Aquila,
>
> I'm new here and I don't think we've really spoken but please accept my deepest
>
> sympathies on the loss of your friend.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gaius Octavius Priscus
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 6:34:19 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Circenses Continue 08Sept2010
>
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I have gotten a late start on the second Ludi Circenses quarterfinals so it is

> doubtful they will be posted today.
>
> A dear friend of mine died in his sleep and was found in his bed Monday
>morning.
>
> Our tight group of friends met last night and also much of the day today so I
> have not gotten much done.
>
> Since it is raining today in this part of Rome from whence the Ludi springs,
>the
>
> race is being called on account of rain.
>
> If i am able to get it done tonight after I get home I shall post it but I
> cannot promise anything.
>
> In the meantime there are many other games to be played!
>
> A Little Latin Ludi-loo
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80547
>
> Certamen Historicum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80541
>
> Lux et Vox Romanae (Audio/Visual Contest) Ludi Romani 2010
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80516
>
> Adumbratio ComÃ…"dia (Theatrical Comedy Sketch Writing Contest)
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/80513
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Julia
>
> P.S.Btw, Maria? I saw the post about the sculpting session *laughs* better
>watch
>
> it or I shall reveal you part in it as well - you vixen you!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80679 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: The Varian Disaster, was Re: a. d. V Eidus Septembris: Asculepigenia
Salvete omnes QSP;

As a practitioner of the Religio Septentrionalis (Germanic Paganism,
aka Asatru), today is looked upon as a celebration of the halt of
Rome's march northward; Arminius being a bone fide hero.

As a man who also gives honor to his Roman heritage, I can admit to
mixed emotions.

May the Gods look kindly upon the Genii of the common Legionaries who
were just doing what they thought to be their duty on those days,
which turned out so dreadfully for them.

Valete - Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80680 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-09-09
Subject: NR Inc. paid FEES 2010 - UPDATED list of 9 sept. 2010‏
Salvete omnes !

You will find below an updated official list of NR Inc. paying members a.k.a. NR "assidui".
If I am not wrong we have below 107 recorded members (resigning MHM's name will be withdrawn for the next update, as C. Curius Saturninus'one last update - so 109 recorded paid fees).


Thanks to all who have quick reacted since the last update !

In the list below :

- 10 new names enter, after the situation of the concerned cives has been well checked with each of them. Be they thanked for their cooperation!
These nomines are, alphabetically, those of : the following Arminii : Maior P., Metellus L., Hyacinthus Ti. and Q. ; Ap. Domitia Taura, L. Gratius Nerva, Ti. Horatius Cincinnatus, Au. Liburnus Hadrianus, M. Minucius Audens, A. Tullia Scholastica.


- 6 individual situations are waiting that the concerned member or contact answer my last letter, of this 8th or 9th Sept.. Four of our Sarmatian cives (Marcus Octavius Corvus ; Decimus Iulius Albus ; Titus Iunius Brutus ; Appia Flavia Gemella) are in this last category, as Fl. Galerius Aurelianus and Paulla Corva Gaudialis.

Please go on reacting in case of abnormal situation !

Vobis gratias et valete Quirites,


P. Memmius Albucius cos.

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Fr. 10 sept. 2010 updated list of the NR Inc. members who paid their fee for this year 2010 (2763 auc) on the
statement made on Aug. 1, 2010 (except the cases/dates mentioned below)



Nomen Cognomen Pr.

AEMILIUS PRISCUS C.
AEMILIUS CRASSUS C.
AMBROSIA VALERIA L.
ANNAEUS CONSTANTINUS P.

ANNIA MEGAS MACHINATRIX M.
ANNIUS BARBATUS C.

ANTONIUS COSTA G.
ANTONIUS GERMANICUS C.
APOLLONIUS AGRIPPA C.
APOLLONIUS CORDUS A.
APOLLONIUS IUSTUS Q.
APULEIUS MARITIMUS M.
AQUILLIUS ROTA G.
ARMINIUS BRUTUS D.

ARMINIUS HYACINTHUS Q.

ARMINIUS HYACINTHUS Ti.
ARMINIUS MAIOR M.

ARMINIUS MAIOR P.

ARMINIUS METELLUS L.

ARRIA CARINA A.
ATILIUS REGULUS C.
AURELIUS RUFUS D.
CAECILIUS METELLUS POST.Q.
CASSIUS LONGINUS T.
CLAUDIUS CAECUS P.
COCCEIUS FIRMUS M.
CORNELIA URSULA L.
CORNELIA MERULA V.
CORNELIA AQUILA M.
CORNELIA VALERIANA (..) AETERNIA St.
CORNELIUSOPTATUS P.
CORNELIUS JOHANNES C.

CORNELIUSSULLA L.
CORNELIUS DRUSUS L.
CORNELIUS LENTULUS CN.
CURIA FINNICA E.

DECIA SCRIPTRIX A.

DOMITIA TAURA Ap. (paid on Aug. 31, 2010)
EQUITIUS MARINUS G.
EQUITIUS CATO G.
FABIUS MAXIMUS Q.
FABIUS MONTANUS OP.
FABIUS BUTEO QUINTILIANUS C.
FLAVIUS SEVERUS T.
FLAVIUS DIOCLETIANUS C.
FURIUS LUPUS AP.

GALERIA AURELIANA H.
GALERIUS PAULINUS TI.
GLADIUS BRUTUS D.
GLADIUS LUPUS D.

GRATIUS NERVA L. (paid on Aug. 31, 2010)
GUALTERUS GRAECUS M.

HORATIUS CINCINNATUS Ti. (paid on Aug. 31, 2010)
HORTENSIA MAIOR M. [for the record, resigned sept.8, 2010]
IULIA EUCHARIS C.
IULIA SEVERA S.
IULIUS CORVINUS L.
IULIUS OCTAVIANUS C.
IULIUS CAESAR D.
IULIUS MICHELIUS C.
IULIUS CAESAR GN.
IULIUS SABINUS T.
IULIUS SABINUS CRASSUS T.
IULIUS AQUILA M.
IULIUS SEVERUS M.
IUNIA PALLADIA S.
IUNIUS CANINUS Ap.
IUNIUS SILANUS C.
IUNIUS PALLADIUS D.
JULIA AQUILA L.

LIBURNUS HADRIANUS Au.

LIVIA OCELLA GN.
LIVIA PLAUTA G.
LUCILIUS TUTOR S.

LUCILLA MERULA FL. (paid on Sept. 6, 2010)
LUCRETIUS CAUPO L.
LUCRETIUS AGRICOLA M.
MARCIA RALLA L.
MARCIUS CRISPUS G.
MARIA CAECA C.
MARIA BELLATRIX F.
MARIUS ACULEO M.
MARIUS CORVINUS D.
MARTIANUS LUPUS M.
MEMMIUS ALBUCIUS P.
MINICIA FORTUNATA M.

MINUCIUS AUDENS M.

MINUCIUS FALCO V.

MINUCIUS IOVINUS GAL.
NAUTIUS ATELLUS Q.
PETRONIUS DEXTER G.
POMPEIUS MARCELLUS C.
POSTUMIUS ALBINUS Q.
ROSCIUS RAPHAELUS TI.
RUTILIA ENODIARIA V.
SERGIA ALBA Q.
SERTORIUS BAETICUS C.
SERTORIUS PAULINUS Q.
SERVILIUS PRISCUS Q.
TITINIUS SILVANUS M'.
TRAIUS REGULUS M.

TULLIA SCHOLASTICA A.
ULLERIUS VENATOR P.
VALERIUS TRAIANUS M.
VERGILIUS CATULUS T.

VIPSANIUS AGRIPPA G.
VITELIUS CELSUS A.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80681 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: a. d. IV Eidus Septembris: The ritual use of wine
M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Dei vos annuant oro.

Hodie est ante diem IIII Eidus Septembres; haec dies comitialis est: Ludi Romani magni.

"Never plant reeds unless rain is impending." ~ G. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.78


The Flamen Dialis and Grape Vines

"The priest of Jupiter must not pass under an arbor of vines." ~ Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae 10.15.14


"For what reason was it forbidden the priest of Jupiter to touch ivy or to pass along a road overhung by a vine growing on a tree?

"Is this second question like the precepts: 'Do not eat seated on a stool,' 'Do not sit on a peck measure,' 'Do not step over a broom?' For the followers of Pythagoras did not really fear these things nor guard against them, but forbade other things through these. Likewise the walking under a vine had reference to wine, signifying that it is not right for the priest to get drunk; for wine is over the heads of drunken men, and they are oppressed and humbled thereby, when they should be above it and always master its pleasure, not be mastered by it. Did they regard the ivy as an unfruitful plant, useless to man, and feeble, and because of its weakness needing other plants to support it, but by its shade and the sight of its green fascinating to most people? And did they therefore think that it should not be uselessly grown in their homes nor be allowed to twine about in a futile way, contributing nothing, since it is injurious to the plants forming its support? Or is it because it cleaves to the ground [unless it finds support, and is therefore unacceptable to the higher Gods]? Wherefore it is excluded from the ritual of the Olympian gods, nor can any ivy be seen in the temple of Hera at Athens, or in the temple of Aphroditê at Thebes; but it has its place in the Agrionia and the Nyctelia, the rites of which are for the most part performed at night. Or was this also a symbolic prohibition of Bacchic revels and orgies? For women possessed by Bacchic frenzies rush straightway for ivy and tear it to pieces, clutching it in their hands and biting it with their teeth; so that not altogether without plausibility are they who assert that ivy, possessing as it does an exciting and distracting breath of madness, Bderanges persons and agitates them, and in general brings on a wineless drunkenness and joyousness in those that are precariously disposed towards spiritual exaltation." ~ Plutarch Roman Questions 112


Early Use of Wine in Ritual

"Romulus made libations, not with wine but with milk; a fact which is fully established by the religious rites which owe their foundation to him, and are observed even to the present day. The Posthumian Law, promulgated by King Numa, has an injunction to the following effect, 'Sprinkle not the funeral pyre with wine;' a law to which he gave his sanction, no doubt, in consequence of the remarkable scarcity of that commodity in those days. By the same law, he also pronounced it illegal to make a libation to the Gods of wine that was the produce of an unpruned vine, his object being to compel the husbandmen to prune their vines; a duty which they showed themselves reluctant to perform, in consequence of the danger which attended climbing the trees." ~ G. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 14.12 (88)

"For a very long time there was the greatest economy manifested at Rome in the use of this article. L. Papirius, the general, who, on one occasion, commanded the legions against the Samnites, when about to engage, vowed an offering to Jupiter of a small cupfull of wine, if he should gain the victory. In fact, among the gifts presented to the Gods, we find mention made of offerings of sextarii of milk, but never of wine." ~ G. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 14.13 (91)


Wines Prohibited from Rituals

"As religion is the great basis of the ordinary usages of life, I shall here remark that it is considered improper to offer libations to the Gods with any wines which are the produce of an unpruned vine, or of one that has been struck by lightning or near to which a dead man has been hung, or of grapes that have been trodden out by feet with open sores, or made of must from husks that have been cut, or from grapes that have been polluted by the fall of any unclean thing upon them. The Greek wines are excluded also from the sacred ministrations, because they contain a portion of water." ~ G. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 14.23


On the Nature of the Vine

"The vine has been justly reckoned by the ancients among the trees, on account of its remarkable size. In the city of Populonium, we see a statue of Jupiter formed of the trunk of a single vine, which has for ages remained proof against all decay; and at Massilia, there is a patera made of the same wood. At Metapontum, the temple of Juno has long stood supported by pillars formed of the like material of vine-wood; and even at the present day we ascend to the roof of the temple of Diana at Ephesus, by stairs constructed, it is said, of the trunk of a single vine, that was brought from Cyprus; the vines of that island often attaining a most remarkable size. There is not a wood in existence of a more lasting nature than this; I am strongly inclined, however, to be of opinion that the material of which these various articles were constructed was the wild vine." ~ G. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 14.2


Today's thought is from the Pythagorean Sentences of Demophilus 10:

"Gifts and victims confer no honor on Divinity, nor is He adorned with offerings suspended in temples; but a soul divinely inspired
solidly conjoins us with Divinity; for it is necessary that like should approach to like."



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80682 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: LUDI ROMANI: Sacrifice for Jupiter Optimus Maximus
Ex domo Pontifici Maximi

M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Salvete, vosque bona Iuppiter auctet ope.


Hoc Age!

Give your attention here!


Procul, o procul, quaecumque profanae!

Far away, far away, be gone, you who are profane!

This is a sacred place, do not enter, you who are irreverent and impure, do not share in this sacred task.

Come, be present, Gods and men, to these holy rites. Begone, you wicked folk, begone far from here. I call only upon the innocent and the chaste.



SALUTATIO

Hail, hail, Jupiter Supreme, hail all You Gods and Goddesses immortal! Why not arouse Yourselves and graciously attend the ceremonies that we hold in Your honor with Your divine presence.

O Iuppiter, who does cherish and nurture the human race, through Whom we live and draw the breath of life, in Whom rest the hopes and lives of all humankind, come now to this place, bless it in happiness, illuminate it with Your divine radiance, venerated and made holy by Your presence.



PRAECATIO

Jupiter Optimus Maximus, Father of Gods and Humankind, we come before You this day with our hearts open, pure and chaste, and by this ritual we seek to honor You. Hear our prayer, O Jupiter, and may You honor us and the Ludi Romani with Your presence. As You have so many times before, so now accept our offerings and bless our community of cultores Deorum! With lightning You rule the firmament and by Your rains is this world made fertile. Everything above and below knows Your great power. Accept our libations and send upon us Your kind thoughts. May You always favour the actions our community, the cultores Deorum Romani, and may You grant us concord in a rich and peaceful life!"

[Laurel incense is offered to Iupiter Optimus Maximus.]

Father Jupiter, to You we make this offering of incense and pray that You will look kindly and favorably upon us and our children, on our homes and on our households.



SACRIFICATIO

Jupiter Optimus Maximus, we call on You today to ask for Your blessings. Enlightened God of the pure Heavens, let Your most kind thoughts fall upon us. Show mercy for the souls of our ancestors whose ideals we now follow and look favorably upon us.

Jupiter, in offering You this libum cake I pray good prayers in order that, pleased with this offering of libum, You may be favorable to us and on our children, on our homes and on our households.

[Libum cake is offered to Jupiter Optimus Maximus]

Jupiter, be strengthened by this libum, be warmed by this small portion of our wine.

[Wine is offered to Iupiter Optimus Maximus.]

O Heavenly Father, may You, Jupiter, be strengthened by this libation, may You be honored by this portion of wine. In You, dearest Father, in Your hands do we place our safekeeping. I offer this wine to You, Jupiter Optimus Maximus, in thanks for attending this rite. May You always watch over our community and those attending today this rite and the Ludi Romani! We make this offering of wine and libum to You, Father, and pray that You will look kindly and favorably upon us and on our children, on our homes and on our households.



LITATIO

Jupiter Optimus Maximus we thank You for the kindness that You have shown us. Accept our offerings and grant us a peaceful existence.

Our Father, Jupiter Optimus Maximus, Who is First among the Gods of the whole universe, in You, dearest Father, in Your hands have we placed ourselves. May You, Jupiter Capitolinus, wish this day to be pleasing and prosperous for all Romans alike, and that our children's children shall remember this day. And may You as well, O Gods of our forefathers, join with us in friendship at our celebration.



PERLITATIO

No more, Gods on High, do I ask of You today; it is enough.

Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you and wish you happiness in all that is good.

May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80683 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: a.d. IV Id. Sept. - The Greater Eleusinian Mysteries
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem IV Idus Septembris; haec dies comitialis est.

"In Upper Egypt on the first day of the solar year by Coptic
reckoning, that is, on the tenth of September, when the Nile has
generally reached its highest point, the regular government is
suspended for three days and every town chooses its own ruler. This
temporary lord wears a sort of tall fool's cap and a long flaxen
beard, and is enveloped in a strange mantle. With a wand of office in
his hand and attended by men disguised as scribes, executioners, and
so forth, he proceeds to the Governor's house. The latter allows
himself to be deposed; and the mock king, mounting the throne, holds a
tribunal, to the decisions of which even the governor and his
officials must bow. After three days the mock king is condemned to
death; the envelope or shell in which he was encased is committed to
the flames, and from its ashes the Fellah creeps forth. The custom
perhaps points to an old practice of burning a real king in grim
earnest." - Sir James Fraser, "The Golden Bough" ch. 25

"Blissful is he who after having beheld the Mysteries enters on the
way beneath the Earth. He knows the end of life as well as its
divinely granted beginning." — Pindar, "Odes"

"For among the many excellent and indeed divine institutions which
your Athens has brought forth and contributed to human life, none, in
my opinion, is better than those mysteries. For by their means we have
been brought out of our barbarous and savage mode of life and educated
and refined to a state of civilization; and as the rites are called
"initiations," so in very truth we have learned from them the
beginnings of life, and have gained the power not only to live
happily, but also to die with a better hope." - Cicero, Laws II.xiv.36

Today was the first day of the celebration of Greater Eleusinian
Mysteries. The time of the full moon during the Greek month of
Boedromion marked the beginning of the Eleusinian mysteries, which
began with a procession to Eleusis, a small agricultural town
(producing wheat and barley), about 25 kilometres north-west of
Athens, where the initiation ceremonies were celebrated. Held annually
in honor of the goddesses Demeter and Persephone (aka Kore), these
were the most sacred and revered of all the ritual celebrations of
ancient Greece. At Eleusis until its temple was destroyed in AD 396,
up to 30,000 people were initiated into the "Mysteries".

This is one of the four annual Eleusinia festivals in which secret
rites were held in honor of the goddesses. These rites were practiced
only by mystae, or initiates, but initiation was open to all people
who spoke Greek and had not committed murder.

These myths and mysteries (the lesser mysteries being observed at
Agrae near the Ilissus) later spread to Rome. The rites and cultic
worships and beliefs were kept secret, and initiation rites united the
worshipper with god including promises of divine power and rewards in
life after death. Celebrations started with sea-bathing at Athens and
a procession to Eleusis, where a piglet would be sacrificed. In the
evening, lit by torches, something was recited, something shown and
something performed. Perhaps the latter was the enactment of the
legend; the fact is, the "mysteries" are just that: we know remarkable
little about the commemorations and rituals as the initiates were
sworn to secrecy.

When the area around Athens and Eleusis was evacuated during the wars
with Persia (500-479 BC), the gods themselves performed the Eleusinian
mysteries. The Greek historian Herodotus tells us the enemy saw a dust
cloud and heard heavenly cries. That day they were soundly beaten at
the Battle of Salamis.

Cicero, who succeeded in being admitted to the Mysteries (Marcus
Aurelius did not), implied of the rites of Eleusis that "... they seem
to be a recognition of the powers of Nature rather than the power of
God."

In AD 170, the Temple of Demeter was sacked by the Sarmatians but was
rebuilt by Marcus Aurelius. Aurelius was then allowed to become the
only lay-person to ever enter the anaktoron. As Christianity gained in
popularity in the 4th and 5th centuries, Eleusis' prestige began to
fade. Julian was the last emperor to be initiated into the Eleusinian
Mysteries.

The Roman emperor Theodosius I closed the sanctuaries by decree in AD
392 as part of his effort to suppress Hellenist resistance to the
imposition of Christianity as a state religion. The last remnants of
the Mysteries were wiped out in AD 396, when Alaric, King of the
Goths, invaded accompanied by Christians "in their dark garments",
bringing Arian Christianity and desecrating the old sacred sites. The
closing of the Eleusinian Mysteries in the 4th century is reported by
Eunapius, a historian and biographer of the Greek philosophers.
Eunapius had been initiated by the last legitimate Hierophant, who had
been commissioned by the emperor Julian to restore the Mysteries,
which had by then fallen into decay. According to Eunapius, the very
last Hierophant was a usurper, "the man from Thespiae who held the
rank of Father in the mysteries of Mithras."

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80684 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: HaShanah Tova!
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

To all our citizens who celebrate it, I wish the very best of New Year's greetings! May the year 5771 be sweet and happy for all!

Valete,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80685 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: Ludi Romani - A little latin ludi loo
Salvete Quirites

Welcome back to the Latin letter writing competition, a Little Latin Ludi-loo.

Today we have letter number 4.

The winner of this contest will be the one who writes the most appropriate letter for the situation set out each day. The salutations, (greeting and name, farewell and name) must be in Latin, and in a form that would be appropriate for the sender, the recipient, and the context. The words of the letter itself are in your own language.

The winner will be the one who writes the best letter and uses the most appropriate roman salutation and farewell closing. Probably there will be several winners, one for each question. The overall winner will be announced at the end of the Ludi.

So here we go with letter number 4. Get those writing materials ready. But remember that the paper or vellum is expensive, so do not write too much!

4. Soldier stationed on Hadrian's Wall writes to his wife asking how she and the family are getting along, and asks for new socks because winter is coming. He is from Pannonia , and does not speak Latin well, but his wife lives in Gaul and encourages him to write some Latin.

You have until the end of the games to send your letter.

Please send your entry to me at

jbshr1pwa@...

*** DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE - REPLY ONLY TO ME ******

If you have problems reading my email address it is

jbshr1pwa at btinternet.com

Good luck, and I shall await your entries with interest.

Valete omnes

C Marcius Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80686 From: Gens Iulia Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: Certamen historicum - day 6
EX OFFICIO AEDILIS P. ANNAEI L. IVLIAE

Ludi Romani

G. Iulia Agrippa Quiritibus s. p. d.


This is the 6th day of the Ludi Romani, to celebrate Iuppiter and the harvest.
This day is considered DIES ATER (Sacra privata IVPPITER)

Welcome to the Certamen Historicum, Day 6. questions follow the info!

VITA ROMANORUM (Life of the Romans)
The game is a series of 12 different questions with 1 - 3 answers per question including bonus answers based on three videos regarding various aspects of basic Roman life that every ancient Roman would know. 1 - 2 will be offered each day. It is designed to be fun and educational.

TOPIC:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs2gQSn2Tho&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-32UWMCrtE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giUpHkNL51Y&p=C20B1BE42D53BF2F&playnext=1&index=61


RULES:
1) Everyday during the Ludi one or two questions will be posted. You may answer them as they are posted or when you have time as long as they are answered by the Deadline as indicated below. Some are easy, some not so.


2) 12 questions, some with multiple answers earn 2 - 14 points including some bonus questions for a total of 60 points.

THE WINNER

The winner is the citizen who earns the most points!

DEADLINE
The 11th of September
Results will be posted within a few days of the close of the Ludi
Please send your submissions to
a.decia.scriptrix@...
PRIVATELY!

DAY 6 QUESTIONS



Question 9 and 10

9) What is the name of the weapon that caused four holes in the bone above the knee? 2 points

10) What was Marcus Crassus' price for patriotism? - 6 points


Valete et habete fortunam bonam!

G. Iulia Agrippa


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80687 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior
Salvete omnes,

This supposed investigation is just a stupid lie. It could be funny, but it is
really disturbing, at least as the llegued motive for Maior's resignation.
How far will we go in this insane turmoil?
I am feeling more than fed up!

Valete.
 
M•IVL•SEVERVS

SENATOR
PRO•CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICI




________________________________
From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...>
To: Nova-Roma <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 2:14:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation of Citizenship M. Hortensia Maior

 
Gaius Tullius Valerianus Anniae S.P.D.

Since when? There has been no official word of this. What is your source? I
mean, do you know this because you're on the Homeland Security team
"investigating" us? (not that you said *who* was supposedly investigating us
- the Mossad? The Inquisition? I just sort of assumed the U.S. gov't because
I live in the U.S., but we're very international . . . I bet the Italian
gov't would like to make sure we're not fascist!). Last I checked, we
haven't had an actual fascist member in years. We've had edicts against
fascism (I know Modianus put forth an anti-fascism edict as consul). Have
papers been served?

Vale. (Sadly, though I would really like to see your response to this, I
probably won't see it until at least tomorrow or Friday when I can get
online again)

Salve
>
> NR is being investigated as a fascist org.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
> __
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80689 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-10
Subject: Re: A Facebook clone for Nova Roma
Salve Seneca,

Something occurred to me, today, which I think would be a good idea. I'd like to see your site featured as a monthly Yahoo reminder, sent automatically to the ML, at the very least. I don't know if you could set this up yourself, or if you would need to ask the Praetora do it ...but I'd like to keep our citizens aware of your site, and this is an easy way to do that.

Vale quam optime,
CMC, who feels like the only one posting there, sometimes!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80690 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Ludi Romani 08 & 09 Sept2010: SECOND & THIRD QUARTERFINAL
Ludi Romani 2010: SECOND and THIRD QUARTERFINAL
EX OFFICIO AEDILIS P. ANNAEI L. IVLIAE

L. Iulia Aquila omnibus civibus S.P.D.

Welcome to the First Quarterfinal!

This day of the Ludi, 09Sept2010 is dedicated to IUNO.

JULIA: Welcome Quirites, Socii, Peregrinisque to the Ludi Romani 2010 Second Quarterfinals this morning and too the Third Quartefinals to commence this afternoon after a program of entertainment at the intermessio! I am Julia Aquila, your commentator this morning and with me in the broadcasting box is Domina Maria Caeca, Charioteer Vitus and an old friend and local celebrity, Balbus Gallus Hilarius, owner of the premier beauty salon, the Inner Peacock.
GALLVS HILARIVS: *rolls his eyes and does a neck shake* Oh honeee, I do see many who could use a good trim, those split ends are horrible this time of year, esp after such a hot summer! *waves the bright peach scarf tied at his wrist over the crowd as if blessing them with magic stylist dust* I am soooo glad to be here, thank you Domina Julia! *assesses Vitus from top to bottom approvingly purses his lips and winks at him*
Oh Snap! Look at all those red, white and blue flags and pom-poms of the factiones, you would think we are in the United States or something!

JVLIA: *with a soft laugh continues* It is a cool crisp morning as the last of the day's Pompa is coming through the gates, and I must say each day is at least as magnificent as opening day. There are few Cumulonimbus clouds that resemble a master artist's brushstroke against the clear blue skies. The track is in great condition for the race, the horses look magnificent as do the charioteers. The impressive Teutonicus has a magnificent sky blue body is appointed with blazing thunderbolts! Maria, welcome back Domina! Tell me do you have any favorites in this race?

MARIA: *bursts into laughter as she watches Gallus ham it up for the crowd while he touches up his peach lipstick* Well Julia amica, you know I am partial to redheads; that seething fury of Ulfilas Gothus is intimidating, particularly when he dons that scowl on his face. I was watching him while he was taking practice laps with his steeds and he seems to have the right touch. *she blushes* I noticed earlier this year his tight muscles make him a perfect master over his steeds but to the others he does not hesitate to use his whip. He has a good chance but alas I am loyal to the Albatae and Eporicus should do us proud.

JVLIA: *sweetly asks a servant boy to bring Maria a goblet of fruited water* I see your point Maria. I also remember that Gothus has a bad temper and it is said his patron is the only person he won't confront with his fists or whips.

MARIA: You remember well Domina, the other drivers say "don't make Gothus angry, unless you and 3 of your friends want a good fight".

JVLIA: I, myself, am partial to Gauls *sweeps her eyes teasingly towards Vitus* and Lucius Furius is looking really good, at practice that is, and has a promising record so being objective, I must say I would put my money on him. *leaning over the edge of the booth to watch the festivities, she turns her head towards Vitus unconsciously fingering her long golden French braid enquiring* And what say you Vitus?

VITVS: *smiles as he rises and saunters over to Julia close enough for only a breath to pass between them, holding her gaze with his own he speaks into the proffered mike* Domina, I can only attest to the horses andÂ…

GALLVS HILARIVS: Honeeee it is getting warm up in this here booth I tell youÂ….

VITVS: As I was saying Domina, *casts a good humored warning at Gallus* For the Lusitania, Ducaliter is a wonderfully strategic driver, he prefers to conserve the enrgy of his team biding his time until he goes all out and his horses become as swift as lightening. Vitellius Celsus' steeds are superb, as all are, but I just have a feeling about them. There is tough competition our there this morning, the Russata have good horseman manning their chariots but Gothus and Epicorus are also top men.

GALLVS HILARIVS: And I am a bottomÂ…

*They all burst into laughter*

JVLIA: On that note let's return to the activities down on the Circus. The Consuls are in their skyboxes with their families; Domina Albucius is looking absolutely exquisite standing next to the smiling Consul. Consul Quintilianus is with another striking woman today, and a pair of regal Salukis. Oh there is Agricola *waves at him* taking his place in the pulvinar next to Sabinus splendid in a purple and gold toga picta, also in the pulvinar I see Scholastica and Venator chatting away – he said something that made her laugh!

MARIA: It is wonderful to see Novi Romani enjoying themselves! Isn't Audens looking well? In the stands Varro and Nero are climbing quite high! There is the ever charming C. Cocceius Spinula who is waving at the crowd, surrounded by ladies!
Look Julia our friend Petronius is waving at us!

*Julia smiles brightly at her friend and waves vigorously*

GALLVS HILARIVS: Fird of all sistuh, your frock is too low cut to be waving that hardily and second of all its too low cut to be leaning over the edge like that! Mercy me Domina. *Julia shakes her head at him but he suddenly gets distracted* Now there's three fine looking men, Gaulterus, Sentius Leoninus and Servilius Priscus, oh damn, wouldn't you know it, they are with Octavia Aculeo, well she is pretty, I would be in her company too – would love to get my hands on her hair!

MARIA: *laughing* Now where were we? Back to the drivers, Consul Albucius' Eporicus typically conserves his horses' energy maintaining a steady pace until the final dash to the finish.

VITVS: His has demonstrated subtle and exact skill. He went all the way to the finals last year so he has a good chance.

JULIA: I didn't know you paid attention to what is going on in Rome.

VITVS: *smiling gregariously* There is so much for you discover about me.

JVLIA: I am more of an inquisitor than an explorer *she casts a wicked little smile his way* There seems to be some commotion down on the field, usually they have all the statues of the Gods in place by this time. Oh no! One of Rota's hogs got loose! The mimes are chasing it! Rota is yelling a string of expletives at it *the crowd cheers and hoots, streams of confetti flow from the highest bleachers* two more hogs are loose!

VITVS: I will be back momentarily I am going to down to help! *he excitedly leaps over the chairs between him and the doorway and lopes down the stairs*

GALLVS HILARIVS: *whispers quietly and nonchalantly while he devours Vitus with his eyes* no, no, don't goÂ… *takes a glass of Falerian to Maria and Julia the helps himself to glass, his voice back to normal volume* Now mel meum this is what I came to see, muscle bound sweaty men wrestlingÂ…

MARIA: With pigs? *she and Julia burst into giggles*

*Servitors quietly arrive carrying silver trays laden with culinary delicacies and all manner of beverages. Vitus returns, wet from a quick outdoor shower to wash off the dust from chasing down the hogs, he is handed a large goblet of Falerian and relaxes into a chair*

VITVS: All the hogs were caught and the track is being cleared for today's ritual to IVNO.

JVLIA: I see that that the Magistrates, Placidus, Sacerdotes, Flamens and Pontifices are assembling, the beautifully appointed statues are being moved into place the will be calling for silentum soon.

MARIA: In post position is Albata's Luxogenes, driven by Eporicus and owned by Consul Albucius, than Russata's Fulminata driven by Lucius Furius owned by A. Vitellius Celsus. Next is Veneta's Furor Teutonicus driven by Ulfilas Gothus owned by C. Tullius Valerianus and farthest is the Russata's Lusitania, driven by Ducaliter and owned by C. Cocceius Spinula. Valerianus is examining his rig while his uxor, Valeria Pulchra is waving blue flags and pom-poms!

GALLVS HILARIVS: I just looovvveeeee all the colors and the glitter! I could live in a waterfall of color, we should have Circenses everyday! * he continues to gush for a few seconds* And Missy Domina, why are you not performing the ritual today?

JVLIA: Because I am not scheduled to! Hush up now Gallus; oh for the sake of Venus, stop pouting, you are such a queen! Put a sausage in your mouth, that should pacify you
*Maria and Vitus snicker, Gallus crosses his legs at the knee swinging his foot indignantly, pouts, sticks his chin in the air and begins to eat a sausage*
They are ready to begin the ritual; they have just called for silentum.



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Sacrum Iunoni

SALUTATIO

Hail, Great Goddess eternal, shining, most chaste Juno, Mother, whose sanctity is pleasing to the hearts of the Gods, You are the brilliant lily whom Jupiter cherished before all others. You are the Great Goddess, Queen of the Gods. You, Goddess, we adore. We invoke Your presence among us. Come. Make what we ask to be readily and easily accomplished, and draw our thanks, divine Juno, that, in fidelity, You do rightly merit. Juno, as it is prescribed for you in those books – and for this reason may every good fortune attend the cultores Deorum, the Quirites – let sacrifice be made to You, I beg and pray.
Wherever You may be in the ethereal regions, O wife of Jupiter Tonans, be present O Queen of the Heavenly Gods, we Your chaste daughters pray and beseech You.

PRAECATIO

O Juno Capitolina, Celestial Queen of Mighty Jupiter, whether You are worshipped and adored in the temples of Samos, or whether You are called upon singularly by women as Lucina in their tearful moment of giving birth, Your glory is nourished. You dwell in ancient temples, whether at haughty Carthage where they celebrated Your journey from heaven on the back of a lion, or whether in Your temple beside the riverbanks of Argos where You are celebrated as the wife of thundering Jupiter Tonans and as Queen of the Gods. Famous among the Greeks whose walls You defend, You who all the east venerates as Life-giving Zoegia, who all the west names Lucina, may You be present, Juno Sospita, Savior of women, who lends Her assistance to women who are pregnant when their health is in danger."

SACRIFICATIO

Savior Juno, in offering to You this incense I pray good prayers that You may favor us, our children, our households and our homes.
Queen of Heaven, in offering You this moretum, I pray with a sincere heart that You will be pleased with this offering of moretum, and may You look kindly on us and on our children, on our homes and our households.
Juno Capitolina, may You be strengthened by this libation, may You be honored by this milk. In You, dearest Mother, in Your hands do we place our safekeeping."

LITATIO

Juno Sospita, Juno Lucina, to You I pray and venerate, Juno Capitolina, Guardian Mother of the City of Rome, to You I give thanks. In offering incense to You virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this portion of milk and honey.

PERLITATIO

"No more, Juno Lucina, do I ask of You today; no more do I call upon You, Juno Sospita, it is enough."
"Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you, cultores Deorum, and wish you happiness in all that is good."
"May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious."


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MARIA: A beautiful ritual to be sure. The crowd is rushing to get last minute food and drink before the race begins. The agitatores for the second quarterfinals are finishing with their preparations and attending to last minute tasks. The agitatores are rechecking their harnesses, chariots, wheels and horses. The chariots are pristine and gleaming, the impressive agitatores are dressed in their colors.

JVLIA: *starts to chuckle* I am not believing this – Aeternia again took possession of Cato's and Sulla's iphones yet they are not to be daunted! Look at the huge monitor! It has focused on the two of them scribbling furiously on wax tablets and sending messages via a long line of swift footed messengers to the forum! There is Aeternia marching towards them in her magnificent cloak of blue feathers…

GALLVS HILARIVS: he muhmf thch [unintelligible because he's masticating] (translation: oooo girl, that coat is fantabulous!)

JVLIA: Oh my! Aeternia is tugging on Cato's tablet and he is holding on for dear life! But she is woman, hear her roar and she now possesses that tablet, Sulla gives it up without a fight. *laughs* She appears to be handing the tablets to the trash collectorÂ…but wait; she is gathering an adorable infant white tiger in her arms.

MARIA: Oh that is Invidia!

JVLIA: As agreed upon last night, I would like to announce that Vitus will be commentator on the race *the crowd cheers in affirmation*

VITVS: The agitatores are soothing their excited teams and are preparing to make the procession
*the crowds begin to shout and cheer once again*
The troika of chariots are making their way around the track; the steeds, each with a floral or herbal wreath at their neck, are bucking and prancing in anticipation, a good sign, giving quite a show aaannddd they are ready to run!
*the noise is deafening as the spectators show their approval*

They have arrived back at the ostia (gates) and getting into position in the carceres.

The trumpets sound the signal, Placidus drops the mappa to the ground; the ostia are sprung!

Missi sunt currus!

They're off!

It's Albata's Eporicus driving Luxogenes who pulls out ahead hugging the inside using his post position to the best advantage but surging out ahead is Russata's Ducaliter guiding the Lusitania almost neck in neck with the Luxogenes and cutting off the wild Goth, Ulfilas Gothus who takes after him in a blaze of fury!
!!!!Observa quo vadis, cinaede (Watch where you're going, you jerk)!!!!! he shouts! Gothus snaps his whip at Ducaliter missing him by hair, but Ducaliter is so focused he pays no attention!
The three agitatores are moving in one unit connected by a cloud of red dust! The hortatores are busy trying to keep the steeds on track with commands and whistles! Trotting at a respectable distance is Russata's Lucius Furius who seems to be saving his steed's strengths for the final laps. Eporicus is cutting it way tooo close to the spina in an effort to get away from the pack closing in on him andÂ…
*the crowds rise in a wave in the stands, Vitus jumps ups and leans over the balcony shouting*
Ducaliter passes Eporicus; he cuts him off and is in the lead by the spina!!!!
Gothas' whip connects with the shoulder of Eporicus forcing him into the spina behind Ducaliter!!!!
Gothas goes wide and comes along side Ducaliter, raising his whip with his massive arm but Ducaliter is quicker with his own whip and catches Gothas on the side of his face! Blood is raining over the agitatores behind him!
"!!!!!!!!!! Caro putrida est (you are dead meat) !!!!!!!!!!!" he snarls loudly at Ducaliter but is cut off before he can say another word! Eporicus sways his into the Furor Teutonicus and forces him to the outside barely gaining control of his horses!
*shouts over the cacophony of the crowd, the drums, the tintinabulum,*Citizens of Rome we are witnessing gladiators in Chariots!!!!!

As we enter the second lap the dolphin is turned and it is Ducaliter in the lead for the Russatae, Eporicus not far behind for the Albatae, a furious Gothus for the Venetae in third in third and Furius for the Russatae with a "what me worry?" attitude staying close to the spina and keeping an easy pace in last, he is biding his time before he makes a move that one. Gothus with blood streaming over his face and matted in his red hair urges his steeds to run wide open and the Venetae go wild as he takes lead! Ducaliter and Eporicus are so close their chariots are almost flush with each other! Their quadrigae are struggling to keep the chariots on course! The two agitatores are throwing punches at each other and appear to be connecting from time to time!!! Some of the spectators are also coming to fisticuffs, possibly Albatae and Russatae!!! What excitement!
OH BY HADES!!!! Eporicus appears to have pulled something from his fasciae, throwing at Ducaliter who almost lost his balance!

The two continue to battle as the dolphin is turned into the third lap!!!
Leading is Furor Teutonicus driven by Gothus who is yielding as little ground as he possibly can in an apparent effort to spare the energy of his already overtaxed stallions, tied in second the Luxogenes and Lusitania are wheel to wheel in a clouds of dust and sanguine!!!! Last we have almost forgotten about Fulminata's Lucius Furius who is smiling and charming the Matronae and they are responding by showering him with heaps of red rose petals.
*a light sprinkling of rain begins to fall in a sun shower* Will this cool off our two hotheads?
Look!!! Look!! Up on the screen Ducaliter has broken away from Eporicus and is taking Gothus by surprise!
They are stomping in the stands! The sky is a sea of red!!!!!
A wave of sand as the Lusitania passes the Furor Teutonicus has momentarily stunned Gothus and Ducaliter takes the lead by two lengths.
I am afraid the wooden portions of the stands are going to collapse!
I am not sure if that is rain or the lathered sweat of the three lead quadrigae!

The dolphin is turned for the final lap and the Lusitania is in the lead! Furor Teutonicus is second, third is LuxogenesÂ… *loud screams and shouts shake the circus, the monitor pans to the crowds, sanguine colored roses and poppies fills the air some faces and clothing are red with blood, people are cheering and no longer fighting* The magnificent power of it all! Lucius Furius is taking the Fulminata full speed; those magnificent animals have been simmering, waiting for a chance to surge ahead! Hooves pounding the ground, Russata's Fulminata bypassing the others as they rush furiously down the last stretch! Fulminata's team is nearly fresh; those mudlarks are unbothered by the rain as they cross the finish line into the winners circle winning by three lengths! We have to watch it on the monitor from up here because all we see is a red sea!!!!

Congratulations to owner A. Vitellius Celsus! Also to Lucius Furius for a brilliant race – he must have been paying attention to the tensions at the feasts last night!

Coming in second is the Lusitania driven by Ducaliter owned by C. Cocceius Spinula.

Third is Furor Teutonicus driven by Ulfilas Gothus, owned by C. Tullius Germanicus and last is Luxogenes driven by Eporicus and owned by Consul Albucius.

*Vitus shouts into the microphone, over the crowd*
FULMINATA OF THE RUSSATAE DRIVEN BY LUCIUS FURIUS AND LUSITANIA ALSO OF THE RUSSATAE DRIVIEN BY DUCALITER WILL BOTH GO ONTO THE SEMI-FINALS!!!!

*servants bring fresh Falerian for the four commentators*

MARIA: What a celebration at the podium! *over Vitus gregarious laughter* Oh my Ducaliter and Eporicus are attacking each other! Gothus has joined in the ruckus! The soldiers are trying to separate them! Oh my! All this in 50 feet of living color! Thank the Gods they cut to the Victory celebration for the Fulminata team at the podium! *waves to Lucius Furius* Oh that Lucius Furius is such a handsome man, he certainly looks the winner riding his lap of honor and greeting the spectators!

JVLIA: I do not think I have ever seen so much red. Well, I mean that which isn't blood.
*Vitus glances over her raising his eyebrows with a teasing closed mouth smile *
What? I yam what I yam
*smiles and bares her sharp little cuspids*

GALLVS HILARIVS: Ooooo girllll, sometimes you just scare me to death! *speaks very sweetly to the servants* Would a couple of you be dears and bring us each a plate of food? I'm so famished I believe I am getting a case of the vapors!

*Maria begins to giggle, then Vitus and Julia join in*

JVLIA: THE INTERMESSIO HAS BEGUN! The crowd is clearly amused by the desultatores! Oh that looks dangerousÂ…but so exciting!

*the desultatores, [acrobatic riders] perform stunts on horseback jumping form one to another while the crowd mills about getting refreshments, some are strolling to the stables to see which quadrigae look best so they are better informed to place their bets. The agitatores for the third quarterfinals are examining their horses and rechecking the tack and chariots.*

VITUS: The jugglers are juggling in time to the drums! Look at that one, he is on his hands and juggling with his feet! Oops. Ouch, that must've hurt.

JVLIA: There is my cousin Caesar talking to those drivers who did not win the last race, no doubt instructing them on the legal aspects of their actions. I hope they know they are in for a long night *laughs*, It's a Iulian thing. * a servant boy brings her another goblet of Falerian* No thank you, could you bring me a fruited water please. I will never make it through the next race; Vitus might just have to carry me home.

VITVS: It will be my pleasure Domina * smiles flirtatiously*

JVLIA: No ma chere, I promise it will be MY pleasure. *smiles knowingly, takes the goblet of fruited juice from the servitor, Vitus laughs robustly*

MARIA: Look what is happening down by the bleachers, a reprobate is approaching two young girls! *she looks nervously towards the two soldiers guarding the entrance to their skybox and then to Vitus and Gallus* Could any of you move the thingy on the thingy so we could zoom in and see what is going on?

VITVS: The thingy?

GALLVS HILARIVS: Which thingy?

JVLIA: *rolls her eyes, rises from her chair and slowly strolls over to both Vitus and Gallus and takes the goblets from their hands while one of the legionnaires moves the cameras to focus in on the girls and the degenerate*
Ok, the both of you, no more wine – or beer – or anything else alcoholic, until after the next race.
*gives them both a dulcet smile * Can I get a yes Domina?

GALLVS HILARIVS: *dramatically throws his hand in the air from the wrist and performs a neck roll and ultra sweetly says* Yes, Girlfriend DominaÂ…

VITVS: Thingy? *laughs and takes her into his arms and whispers* Yes Domina AmiculeÂ…

JVLIA: *peels herself away from the gorgeous man, her kaleidoscope eyes spitting lightening bolts*
I don't *do* PDAs, *an evil smile blooms on her face * you need discipline! And you, Gallus, will be donning a `yolk' before the night is over!

*Maria laughs in the background while Vitus gives Julia a decidedly seductive but challenging look*

GALLVS HILARIVS: Please stop, you are scaring me now! *takes out his PDA and check his email*

*They all laugh and then turn their eye to `da big screen' *

*In full living color an image flashes in the center of the big screen, the volume turned up over the various activities during halftime, although occasionally Tribune Rota is heard shouting frustratingly from one of his concession stands "una momento, madonna mia bah (something unintelligible), shissa!" in a combination of future languages*


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On the huge 50 ft X 108 feet RAGUS is finally getting enough attention to hopefully last him a lifetime (written in its entirety by our own C. Maria Caeca):

SCENE: 2 girls, Fantasia and Fantastica, are sitting on a bench, eating honey cakes and gossiping happily. Enter Ragus, dressed in a wine stained toga, which has been covered with every kind of amulet and charm ever seen, in Rome or in her provinces. In one hand, he clutches a half empty wine skin, and in the other, a blank scroll.

FANATASTICA: Oh, gods! Who is that person with the *really* strange toga and the dirty tangles hair?

FANTASIA: I don't know. Oh! He's coming toward *us*!

RAGUS staggers to the girls; falls on his knees (sort of) before them, and gathers them into an embrace.

RAGUS: Oh, sweet children! You must listen to me! I am the mighty philosopher Ragus! I am the fearsome magician! (flaps arms) I can lift myself with a thought, and float above the rooftops of Rome! (sways violently, nearly pulling the girls off the bench). Hear me, daughters! I bring you terrible news! Hear me, and read my scroll!

FANATASTICA: Um, I don't see any writing!

RAGUS: Shah! It is magic writing, silly child! Of *course* you can't see it .it's invisible!

FANTASIA.then how can we read it? Oh, please, (moves over) sit on this bench between us, or we'll all end up on the ground!

RAGUS tries to get up, falls, pulling the girls onto the ground, on top of him.

GIRLS shriek: my tunica! My hair! Mother will kill me! STOP THAT!

*RAGUS clutches the girls closer, sound of fabric tearing) Listen sweet darlings! There is danger afoot! There is threat to Nova Roma, and to all
who dwell within these walls! Let me tell you. Hush, listen, I say!

GIRLS: (trying to pull away) What? We'll listen, but let us go! We can't breathe!

FANATASTICA: and you stink!

RAGUS (drinks some wine, while more spills down his front) Listen, then! there is a band of mighty magicians from our many Provinces, all working together. And they have soldiers, oh, yes, *soldiers*! Girl soldiers, who have only their swords and shields for clothing (drinks more) Ah, how beautiful! How dangerous! How. Ah, the girls!

FANATASTICA, leaning forward: What danger? What threat? Tell us!

RAGUS: They are upon a quest to find out if Rome and the Romans who dwell her are really Greeks in disguise! They will destroy the city! They will destroy the forum! Run away, run away!

FANATASTICA tears herself away: Oh, I must flee! I must run! This is terrible! This is the worst thing I ever heard! I will *never* be associated with Greeks! (runs away, shrieking, covering her head with one hand, holding her tunica together with the other).

RAGUS: I need more wine! Read my scroll, girl, and get me some wine!

FANTASIA pulls away: Get your own wine, you nasty old man! I must warn the city!

She runs off, screaming) We are under attack! We are accused of being GREEK! We are being investigated by magicians, with naked female soldiers!

(several senators stop their discussion and turn to face FANTASIA:

Sen. L. COSIFUS: naked girls?

SEN. Cn. JUCIUS: GREEKS? What Greeks? There are no Greeks here, stupid girl! (sits down on bench) Now, be a good little Plebeian footstool. My feet are tired from standing!

SEN. NICO looks behind Fantasia at Ragus, staggering toward them: What is *that*?

FANTASIA: Oh, gods! (runs away) Beware Romans! The great magicians think you are all Greeks in disguise! Run Run, before they decide to purify the city with fire and bad wine!

A determined looking priest strides across the forum, hears her words, and stops in front of FANTASIA; Quoi? (slaps her across the face) You impious brat! Bad wine is the worst sacrilege! Go make offering to all the gods at once! At ONCE! You are a bad girl! (preferably, this last should be in French, grin).

RAGUS stumbles off, while Fantasia begins to wail, and the senators shake their heads in amazement. Meanwhile, a dignified gentleman in a fine toga comes along, without haste, humming a ditty to himself, and smiling.

RAGUS accosts him: You must flee! You must flee! We're all Greeks in disguise, and the magicians will kill us!

GENTLEMAN: "Son, I don't know about *you*, but I'm Norse, so I'm safe, whatever happens. Here, have a bit of this Meade. It will do you good.

RAGUS slurps down the offered drink. His eyes roll up, and he crumbles into happy oblivion.

GENTLEMAN to SENATORS: I thought that would take care of him. Now, will someone please go fetch that child and get her home to her mother?

SENATORS pointing at one another: You do it!

In the distance, you can hear FANTASIA: the magicians are coming! The magicians are coming!


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*The four commentators are howling in laughter, however they cannot be heard because most of the circus are howling in laughter as well*

JVLIA: *resuming the commentary as time draws closer for the Third Quarterfinal* Looks like there will be no more rain, there are a few clouds in the sky and it is now a little cooler as we head into the afternoon hours. Everyone is invited for a festival after the next race. We are going to try out our new stadium lights.
Wait, this just in: I have been asked by the Consul to remind everyone that near the main gate of the Circus is a new Lamborghini and you may purchase tax deductible raffle tickets, the price depends upon which provincia you live in.
Back to the spectators who are growing a bit restive, my good friend Senator Marinus is relaxing in his skybox, one of his chariots will be racing today however it is on loan to me. As always he is well dressed, today in a Top Hat, his toga picta and red boots. I see Petronius has decided to stay for the third quarterfinals as well. Looking about I see one very tall man isÂ… oh look-it! It's the Tall Man! And he is doing tai chi! The crowd is really getting restless (esp. the Barbarians), some are stretching in their seats; others are standing up and calling to the vendors! The wonderful scents of the food are whetting their appetites!
So many activities increase appetites, for food and other delights.
*laughs*
The spectators in the Tall Man's section are all performing Tai Chi with him!
Senator Severus sitting in his skybox with Senator Sabinus appears amused by this, and what is that he is eating? A bloody delicious steak tartar sandwich?
In yet another section Piscinus and Metullus are leading a "wave" – resplendent in their togas, what a great effect!
Hmmm Gens Iulius provided the free Wine and Mulsum this Intermessio; *said in a teasing tone*I hope they didn't get into my uber-ancient unfathomable potions way down in the deepest sub cellar. C'est la vie I suppose, y'all.
But everyone seems to be having a good time and that is what counts.

*noticing the chariots are preparing for the race Julia announces*
WILL EVERYONE COMPLETE THEIR PURCHASES AND RETURN TO THEIR SEATS PLEASE!

MARIA: They really turned the volume up for that Julia, but they got the message. Listen to the sweet sound of the CitharistsÂ…

GALLVS HILARIVS: Sugah, reallyÂ… I hope they don't put peoples to sleep. Techno might be a better choice esp. after all the food them folks have been devouring.

MARIA: Sure, ok Gallus, whatever you say.

GALLVS HILARIVS: You so silly, gurrrrrl.

MARIA: *chuckles @ Gallus*
The troika of chariots are beginning their procession around the track. The agitatores look phenomenal in their racing silks – oh my, see all those youths in tunics running alongside the chariots tossing red and white flowers onto the horse, drivers, and chariots!?!
In post position is Ventrus Albus driven by the handsome, cleanly shaven and newly married red-haired wonder Hermannus for the Albatae and owned by none other than myself! Each of the horses is wearing a soft light wreath of bay laurel, juniper, and violets. In second position is Rubidea driven by Barbarufa for the Russatae owned by M. Arminius Maior, in third position is Vita Brevis driven by the dark beauty Aiofe of Silures for Albatae, sponsor is the Domina of the Albatae factio, our Aedile Curules, L. Julia Aquila. Aiofe is on loan to Julia from Cn. Equitius Marinus. The steeds are sporting delicate wreaths of lily, myrtle and rose. In the fourth gate is Fulgor Castrensi driven by Micaelius Calceolarias for the Russatae owned by Tribune C. Aquillius Rota. His driver Micaelius Calceolarias is a guest driver for the Russatae as he is from a foreign team, Scuderium Ferrarium – makers of the little red Ferrari. I see an excited (when is he not excited) Rota by the carceres with his sons.

JVLIA: I was told an interesting story by the stable staff, Rota has ordered wreaths made for his quadrigae to honor his Patron God Mars and opted for cinnamon and peony – he left out the red clover because he was afraid it might distract the high strung hot-bloods, and rightly so – but he has ordered bails of the clover in anticipation of a win, so we may just see another red sea today! I do know one thing for sure, judging by the scent of those slow roasted hogs we will have a feast tonight no matter what the outcome!
Ladies and Gentleman, Maria and I shall be sitting back and watching this race – and also cheering on our chariots, so I now turn the microphone over to a Rome-town native, Vitus!

VITVS: Thank you Domina. Fine steeds this race and some very passionate and determined drivers! They have arrived back at the ostia!
The chariots are in position in the carceres! *the clamor from the stands is near riotous*.
The trumpets resound, Aedilis Curules Placidus drops the mappa to the ground; the ostia are sprung!
Missi sunt currus!
They're off!

All four of the chariots seem to be quite cautious as if they are out for a drive in the country!
Ventrus Albus' Hermannus takes the lead closest to the spina but it is Micaelius Calceolarius driving Fulgor Castrensi who pulls out ahead casting a challenging mien Hermannus way and is leading the pack. Aiofe is driving her retired mentor's chariot the Vita Brevis and she means to win, but she is keeping a steady pace scrutinizing the styles of the other drivers. Staying back is Rubidea driven by Barbarufa who does not seem to be in much of a hurry
The dolphin is turned as they head into the second lap and Fulgor Castrensi of the Russatae is out in front and edges near the spina as he heads down the straightaway unchallenged, moving up from the rear is Rubidea, also of the Russatae and is neck in neck with Vita Brevis of the Albatae. The crowd roars as a long time favorite Hermannus of the Albatae surges forward displacing Fulgor Castrensi and falls into first place, Vita Brevis passes on the outside and is now in second place as the dolphin is turned and they round the meta for the third lap. Up until now no one seemed eager to rush the pace this afternoon, the pace even and slow in relation to the last two races. The two chariots of the Albatae are out in front and Rubidea is in third place with Fulgor Castrensi last.
The Fulgor Castrensi picks up speed as it maneuvers around Rubidea on the last stretch of the third lap, but the Rubidea isn't having any of it and Barbarufa swings his chariot into the Fulgor Castrensi! The metal on both wheels screech and I swear I smell something being scorched! The Fulgor Castrensi rocks back and forth from wheel to wheel and Micaelius Calceolarius leans back in his chariot pulling on the reins and putting pressure on the yoke in what appears to be an effort to hold back the quadrigae that appear frightened and are beginning to bolt! If he does not gain control he will never make it around the next turn. The crowds have come back to life and all manner of fruits and vegetation are issuing from the stands in addition to red and white flowers. Red and white flags and pom-poms are being waved madly! Coming down the last stretch of the third lap Micaelius Calceolarius gains control of his steeds but he looks like a spawn out of Hades, his face is twisted, his eyes are black fire and his coal black long hair floats eerily behind him! The dolphin has barely turned as he follows on the heels of Barbarufa, driver of the Rubidea! In the lead Ventrus Albus and Vita Brevis are neck in neck as they head into the final lap.
WHOA!!!! I CAN"T BELIEVE MY EYES!!!!! MICAELIUS CALCEOLARIUS JUST TRIED TO PULL BARBARUFA OUT OF HIS CHARIOT BUT IN A TWIST OF FATE BARBARUFA GRABBED THE BIG MAN'S ARM AND NEARLY TOSSED HIM FROM THE FULGOR CASTRENSI!!!!!
Barbarufa pulls the Rubidea away from the Fulgor Castrensi leaving the nearly out of control chariot far behind him and is racing to catch up to the two lead chariots. Aiofe puts the pressure on her steeds and passes the Ventrus Albus and she looks good for the win, a full lap and a half ahead of Hermannus' Ventrus Alba! Rubidea is on the heels of Ventrus Albus and closing in fast! The Vita Brevis is thundering down the final stretch!
*Vitus is shouting over the crowd now*
AWWWW we may be looking at an upset as Hermannus' steeds catch up to the Vita Brevis!
IT'S A BLANKET FINISH! Hermannus driving Ventrus Albus wins by the skin of his horses' teeth! The Vita Brevis is a very close second, Rubidea right on the heels of the Vita Brevis in third and Fulgor Castrensi last with Micaelius Calceolarius cussing and threatening Barbarufa! The legionnaires are in place to avert a melee like after this morning's race. Rota runs to Micaelius Calceolarius and whisks him away to calm him down!
THE THIRD QUARTERFINAL WINNERS ARE, IN FIRST PLACE VENTRUS ALBA DRIVEN BY HERMANNUS FOR THE ALBATAE AND IN SECOND PLACE VITA BREVIS DRIVEN BY AIOFE, ALSO FOR THE ALBATAE! THEY GO ONTO THE SEMI-FINALS!
In third place is Rubidea driven by Barbarufa and in last place is Fulgor Castrensi driven by Micaelius Calceolarius.

It looks like it is snowing! *he picks up Julia and swings her around, all in the commentators booth are hugging, laughing and joyous!* congratulations Julia * he them picks up Maria giving her a great big kiss on her nose, swings her around before gently putting down* Congratulations Domina *he bows to them both*

JVLIA: Thank you all for coming to the Ludi Romani Circenses today! Please help yourself to all the food and drink you desire!!!!!
We'll see you for the Fourth Quarterfinal 11Sept2010

GALLVS HILARIVS: Well I'm ready to parteeeeeee! Am I going to get an escort?

VITVS: *ignoring Gallus, Vitus offers one arm to Julia and the other to Maria* Come Ladies, let's go meet your winners and enjoy the rest of the evening.
*they start walking towards the door with the two legionnaires following them for their safety, Vitus turns to Gallus*
C'mon, we wouldn't leave you alone, but both these ladies are with me! You have to get your own!

GALLVS HILARIVS: *Gallus laughs* don't take offense, I love both you ladies but you are just not my type, I have my eye on this handsome fire dancer who is in need of a shave and a good stylingÂ…

Narratio resumeturÂ…
To be continuedÂ…
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80691 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Ludi Romani 08 & 09 Sept2010: SECOND & THIRD QUARTERFINAL/Corrected
Ludi Romani 2010: SECOND and THIRD QUARTERFINAL
EX OFFICIO AEDILIS P. ANNAEI L. IVLIAE

L. Iulia Aquila omnibus civibus S.P.D.

Welcome to the SECOND and THIRD Quarterfinal!

This day of the Ludi, 09Sept2010 is dedicated to IUNO.

JULIA: Welcome Quirites, Socii, Peregrinisque to the Ludi Romani 2010 Second Quarterfinals this morning and to the Third Quarterfinals to commence this afternoon after a program of entertainment at the intermessio! I am Julia Aquila, your commentator this morning and with me in the broadcasting box is Domina Maria Caeca, Charioteer Vitus and an old friend and local celebrity, Balbus Gallus Hilarius, owner of the premier beauty salon, the Inner Peacock.
GALLVS HILARIVS: *rolls his eyes and does a neck shake* Oh honeee, I do see many who could use a good trim, those split ends are horrible this time of year, esp after such a hot summer! *waves the bright peach scarf tied at his wrist over the crowd as if blessing them with magic stylist dust* I am soooo glad to be here, thank you Domina Julia! *assesses Vitus from top to bottom approvingly purses his lips and winks at him*
Oh Snap! Look at all those red, white and blue flags and pom-poms of the factiones, you would think we are in the United States or something!

JVLIA: *with a soft laugh continues* It is a cool crisp morning as the last of the day's Pompa is coming through the gates, and I must say each day is at least as magnificent as opening day. There are few Cumulonimbus clouds that resemble a master artist's brushstroke against the clear blue skies. The track is in great condition for the race, the horses look magnificent as do the charioteers. The impressive Teutonicus has a magnificent sky blue body is appointed with blazing thunderbolts! Maria, welcome back Domina! Tell me do you have any favorites in this race?

MARIA: *bursts into laughter as she watches Gallus ham it up for the crowd while he touches up his peach lipstick* Well Julia amica, you know I am partial to redheads; that seething fury of Ulfilas Gothus is intimidating, particularly when he dons that scowl on his face. I was watching him while he was taking practice laps with his steeds and he seems to have the right touch. *she blushes* I noticed earlier this year his tight muscles make him a perfect master over his steeds but to the others he does not hesitate to use his whip. He has a good chance but alas I am loyal to the Albatae and Eporicus should do us proud.

JVLIA: *sweetly asks a servant boy to bring Maria a goblet of fruited water* I see your point Maria. I also remember that Gothus has a bad temper and it is said his patron is the only person he won't confront with his fists or whips.

MARIA: You remember well Domina, the other drivers say "don't make Gothus angry, unless you and 3 of your friends want a good fight".

JVLIA: I, myself, am partial to Gauls *sweeps her eyes teasingly towards Vitus* and Lucius Furius is looking really good, at practice that is, and has a promising record so being objective, I must say I would put my money on him. *leaning over the edge of the booth to watch the festivities, she turns her head towards Vitus unconsciously fingering her long golden French braid enquiring* And what say you Vitus?

VITVS: *smiles as he rises and saunters over to Julia close enough for only a breath to pass between them, holding her gaze with his own he speaks into the proffered mike* Domina, I can only attest to the horses andÂ…

GALLVS HILARIVS: Honeeee it is getting warm up in this here booth I tell youÂ….

VITVS: As I was saying Domina, *casts a good humored warning at Gallus* For the Lusitania, Ducaliter is a wonderfully strategic driver, he prefers to conserve the enrgy of his team biding his time until he goes all out and his horses become as swift as lightening. Vitellius Celsus' steeds are superb, as all are, but I just have a feeling about them. There is tough competition our there this morning, the Russata have good horseman manning their chariots but Gothus and Epicorus are also top men.

GALLVS HILARIVS: And I am a bottomÂ…

*They all burst into laughter*

JVLIA: On that note let's return to the activities down on the Circus. The Consuls are in their skyboxes with their families; Domina Albucius is looking absolutely exquisite standing next to the smiling Consul. Consul Quintilianus is with another striking woman today, and a pair of regal Salukis. Oh there is Agricola *waves at him* taking his place in the pulvinar next to Sabinus splendid in a purple and gold toga picta, also in the pulvinar I see Scholastica and Venator chatting away – he said something that made her laugh!

MARIA: It is wonderful to see Novi Romani enjoying themselves! Isn't Audens looking well? In the stands Varro and Nero are climbing quite high! There is the ever charming C. Cocceius Spinula who is waving at the crowd, surrounded by ladies!
Look Julia our friend Petronius is waving at us!

*Julia smiles brightly at her friend and waves vigorously*

GALLVS HILARIVS: Fird of all sistuh, your frock is too low cut to be waving that hardily and second of all its too low cut to be leaning over the edge like that! Mercy me Domina. *Julia shakes her head at him but he suddenly gets distracted* Now there's three fine looking men, Gaulterus, Sentius Leoninus and Servilius Priscus, oh damn, wouldn't you know it, they are with Octavia Aculeo, well she is pretty, I would be in her company too – would love to get my hands on her hair!

MARIA: *laughing* Now where were we? Back to the drivers, Consul Albucius' Eporicus typically conserves his horses' energy maintaining a steady pace until the final dash to the finish.

VITVS: His has demonstrated subtle and exact skill. He went all the way to the finals last year so he has a good chance.

JULIA: I didn't know you paid attention to what is going on in Rome.

VITVS: *smiling gregariously* There is so much for you discover about me.

JVLIA: I am more of an inquisitor than an explorer *she casts a wicked little smile his way* There seems to be some commotion down on the field, usually they have all the statues of the Gods in place by this time. Oh no! One of Rota's hogs got loose! The mimes are chasing it! Rota is yelling a string of expletives at it *the crowd cheers and hoots, streams of confetti flow from the highest bleachers* two more hogs are loose!

VITVS: I will be back momentarily I am going to down to help! *he excitedly leaps over the chairs between him and the doorway and lopes down the stairs*

GALLVS HILARIVS: *whispers quietly and nonchalantly while he devours Vitus with his eyes* no, no, don't goÂ… *takes a glass of Falerian to Maria and Julia the helps himself to glass, his voice back to normal volume* Now mel meum this is what I came to see, muscle bound sweaty men wrestlingÂ…

MARIA: With pigs? *she and Julia burst into giggles*

*Servitors quietly arrive carrying silver trays laden with culinary delicacies and all manner of beverages. Vitus returns, wet from a quick outdoor shower to wash off the dust from chasing down the hogs, he is handed a large goblet of Falerian and relaxes into a chair*

VITVS: All the hogs were caught and the track is being cleared for today's ritual to IVNO.

JVLIA: I see that that the Magistrates, Placidus, Sacerdotes, Flamens and Pontifices are assembling, the beautifully appointed statues are being moved into place the will be calling for silentum soon.

MARIA: In post position is Albata's Luxogenes, driven by Eporicus and owned by Consul Albucius, than Russata's Fulminata driven by Lucius Furius owned by A. Vitellius Celsus. Next is Veneta's Furor Teutonicus driven by Ulfilas Gothus owned by C. Tullius Valerianus and farthest is the Russata's Lusitania, driven by Ducaliter and owned by C. Cocceius Spinula. Valerianus is examining his rig while his uxor, Valeria Pulchra is waving blue flags and pom-poms!

GALLVS HILARIVS: I just looovvveeeee all the colors and the glitter! I could live in a waterfall of color, we should have Circenses everyday! * he continues to gush for a few seconds* And Missy Domina, why are you not performing the ritual today?

JVLIA: Because I am not scheduled to! Hush up now Gallus; oh for the sake of Venus, stop pouting, you are such a queen! Put a sausage in your mouth, that should pacify you
*Maria and Vitus snicker, Gallus crosses his legs at the knee swinging his foot indignantly, pouts, sticks his chin in the air and begins to eat a sausage*
They are ready to begin the ritual; they have just called for silentum.



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Sacrum Iunoni

SALUTATIO

Hail, Great Goddess eternal, shining, most chaste Juno, Mother, whose sanctity is pleasing to the hearts of the Gods, You are the brilliant lily whom Jupiter cherished before all others. You are the Great Goddess, Queen of the Gods. You, Goddess, we adore. We invoke Your presence among us. Come. Make what we ask to be readily and easily accomplished, and draw our thanks, divine Juno, that, in fidelity, You do rightly merit. Juno, as it is prescribed for you in those books – and for this reason may every good fortune attend the cultores Deorum, the Quirites – let sacrifice be made to You, I beg and pray.
Wherever You may be in the ethereal regions, O wife of Jupiter Tonans, be present O Queen of the Heavenly Gods, we Your chaste daughters pray and beseech You.

PRAECATIO

O Juno Capitolina, Celestial Queen of Mighty Jupiter, whether You are worshipped and adored in the temples of Samos, or whether You are called upon singularly by women as Lucina in their tearful moment of giving birth, Your glory is nourished. You dwell in ancient temples, whether at haughty Carthage where they celebrated Your journey from heaven on the back of a lion, or whether in Your temple beside the riverbanks of Argos where You are celebrated as the wife of thundering Jupiter Tonans and as Queen of the Gods. Famous among the Greeks whose walls You defend, You who all the east venerates as Life-giving Zoegia, who all the west names Lucina, may You be present, Juno Sospita, Savior of women, who lends Her assistance to women who are pregnant when their health is in danger."

SACRIFICATIO

Savior Juno, in offering to You this incense I pray good prayers that You may favor us, our children, our households and our homes.
Queen of Heaven, in offering You this moretum, I pray with a sincere heart that You will be pleased with this offering of moretum, and may You look kindly on us and on our children, on our homes and our households.
Juno Capitolina, may You be strengthened by this libation, may You be honored by this milk. In You, dearest Mother, in Your hands do we place our safekeeping."

LITATIO

Juno Sospita, Juno Lucina, to You I pray and venerate, Juno Capitolina, Guardian Mother of the City of Rome, to You I give thanks. In offering incense to You virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this portion of milk and honey.

PERLITATIO

"No more, Juno Lucina, do I ask of You today; no more do I call upon You, Juno Sospita, it is enough."
"Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you, cultores Deorum, and wish you happiness in all that is good."
"May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious."


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MARIA: A beautiful ritual to be sure. The crowd is rushing to get last minute food and drink before the race begins. The agitatores for the second quarterfinals are finishing with their preparations and attending to last minute tasks. The agitatores are rechecking their harnesses, chariots, wheels and horses. The chariots are pristine and gleaming, the impressive agitatores are dressed in their colors.

JVLIA: *starts to chuckle* I am not believing this – Aeternia again took possession of Cato's and Sulla's iphones yet they are not to be daunted! Look at the huge monitor! It has focused on the two of them scribbling furiously on wax tablets and sending messages via a long line of swift footed messengers to the forum! There is Aeternia marching towards them in her magnificent cloak of blue feathers…

GALLVS HILARIVS: he muhmf thch [unintelligible because he's masticating] (translation: oooo girl, that coat is fantabulous!)

JVLIA: Oh my! Aeternia is tugging on Cato's tablet and he is holding on for dear life! But she is woman, hear her roar and she now possesses that tablet, Sulla gives it up without a fight. *laughs* She appears to be handing the tablets to the trash collectorÂ…but wait; she is gathering an adorable infant white tiger in her arms.

MARIA: Oh that is Invidia!

JVLIA: As agreed upon last night, I would like to announce that Vitus will be commentator on the race *the crowd cheers in affirmation*

VITVS: The agitatores are soothing their excited teams and are preparing to make the procession
*the crowds begin to shout and cheer once again*
The troika of chariots are making their way around the track; the steeds, each with a floral or herbal wreath at their neck, are bucking and prancing in anticipation, a good sign, giving quite a show aaannddd they are ready to run!
*the noise is deafening as the spectators show their approval*

They have arrived back at the ostia (gates) and getting into position in the carceres.

The trumpets sound the signal, Placidus drops the mappa to the ground; the ostia are sprung!

Missi sunt currus!

They're off!

It's Albata's Eporicus driving Luxogenes who pulls out ahead hugging the inside using his post position to the best advantage but surging out ahead is Russata's Ducaliter guiding the Lusitania almost neck in neck with the Luxogenes and cutting off the wild Goth, Ulfilas Gothus who takes after him in a blaze of fury!
!!!!Observa quo vadis, cinaede (Watch where you're going, you jerk)!!!!! he shouts! Gothus snaps his whip at Ducaliter missing him by hair, but Ducaliter is so focused he pays no attention!
The three agitatores are moving in one unit connected by a cloud of red dust! The hortatores are busy trying to keep the steeds on track with commands and whistles! Trotting at a respectable distance is Russata's Lucius Furius who seems to be saving his steed's strengths for the final laps. Eporicus is cutting it way tooo close to the spina in an effort to get away from the pack closing in on him andÂ…
*the crowds rise in a wave in the stands, Vitus jumps ups and leans over the balcony shouting*
Ducaliter passes Eporicus; he cuts him off and is in the lead by the spina!!!!
Gothas' whip connects with the shoulder of Eporicus forcing him into the spina behind Ducaliter!!!!
Gothas goes wide and comes along side Ducaliter, raising his whip with his massive arm but Ducaliter is quicker with his own whip and catches Gothas on the side of his face! Blood is raining over the agitatores behind him!
"!!!!!!!!!! Caro putrida est (you are dead meat) !!!!!!!!!!!" he snarls loudly at Ducaliter but is cut off before he can say another word! Eporicus sways his into the Furor Teutonicus and forces him to the outside barely gaining control of his horses!
*shouts over the cacophony of the crowd, the drums, the tintinabulum,*Citizens of Rome we are witnessing gladiators in Chariots!!!!!

As we enter the second lap the dolphin is turned and it is Ducaliter in the lead for the Russatae, Eporicus not far behind for the Albatae, a furious Gothus for the Venetae in third in third and Furius for the Russatae with a "what me worry?" attitude staying close to the spina and keeping an easy pace in last, he is biding his time before he makes a move that one. Gothus with blood streaming over his face and matted in his red hair urges his steeds to run wide open and the Venetae go wild as he takes lead! Ducaliter and Eporicus are so close their chariots are almost flush with each other! Their quadrigae are struggling to keep the chariots on course! The two agitatores are throwing punches at each other and appear to be connecting from time to time!!! Some of the spectators are also coming to fisticuffs, possibly Albatae and Russatae!!! What excitement!
OH BY HADES!!!! Eporicus appears to have pulled something from his fasciae, throwing at Ducaliter who almost lost his balance!

The two continue to battle as the dolphin is turned into the third lap!!!
Leading is Furor Teutonicus driven by Gothus who is yielding as little ground as he possibly can in an apparent effort to spare the energy of his already overtaxed stallions, tied in second the Luxogenes and Lusitania are wheel to wheel in a clouds of dust and sanguine!!!! Last we have almost forgotten about Fulminata's Lucius Furius who is smiling and charming the Matronae and they are responding by showering him with heaps of red rose petals.
*a light sprinkling of rain begins to fall in a sun shower* Will this cool off our two hotheads?
Look!!! Look!! Up on the screen Ducaliter has broken away from Eporicus and is taking Gothus by surprise!
They are stomping in the stands! The sky is a sea of red!!!!!
A wave of sand as the Lusitania passes the Furor Teutonicus has momentarily stunned Gothus and Ducaliter takes the lead by two lengths.
I am afraid the wooden portions of the stands are going to collapse!
I am not sure if that is rain or the lathered sweat of the three lead quadrigae!

The dolphin is turned for the final lap and the Lusitania is in the lead! Furor Teutonicus is second, third is LuxogenesÂ… *loud screams and shouts shake the circus, the monitor pans to the crowds, sanguine colored roses and poppies fills the air some faces and clothing are red with blood, people are cheering and no longer fighting* The magnificent power of it all! Lucius Furius is taking the Fulminata full speed; those magnificent animals have been simmering, waiting for a chance to surge ahead! Hooves pounding the ground, Russata's Fulminata bypassing the others as they rush furiously down the last stretch! Fulminata's team is nearly fresh; those mudlarks are unbothered by the rain as they cross the finish line into the winners circle winning by three lengths! We have to watch it on the monitor from up here because all we see is a red sea!!!!

Congratulations to owner A. Vitellius Celsus! Also to Lucius Furius for a brilliant race – he must have been paying attention to the tensions at the feasts last night!

Coming in second is the Lusitania driven by Ducaliter owned by C. Cocceius Spinula.

Third is Furor Teutonicus driven by Ulfilas Gothus, owned by C. Tullius Germanicus and last is Luxogenes driven by Eporicus and owned by Consul Albucius.

*Vitus shouts into the microphone, over the crowd*
FULMINATA OF THE RUSSATAE DRIVEN BY LUCIUS FURIUS AND LUSITANIA ALSO OF THE RUSSATAE DRIVIEN BY DUCALITER WILL BOTH GO ONTO THE SEMI-FINALS!!!!

*servants bring fresh Falerian for the four commentators*

MARIA: What a celebration at the podium! *over Vitus gregarious laughter* Oh my Ducaliter and Eporicus are attacking each other! Gothus has joined in the ruckus! The soldiers are trying to separate them! Oh my! All this in 50 feet of living color! Thank the Gods they cut to the Victory celebration for the Fulminata team at the podium! *waves to Lucius Furius* Oh that Lucius Furius is such a handsome man, he certainly looks the winner riding his lap of honor and greeting the spectators!

JVLIA: I do not think I have ever seen so much red. Well, I mean that which isn't blood.
*Vitus glances over her raising his eyebrows with a teasing closed mouth smile *
What? I yam what I yam
*smiles and bares her sharp little cuspids*

GALLVS HILARIVS: Ooooo girllll, sometimes you just scare me to death! *speaks very sweetly to the servants* Would a couple of you be dears and bring us each a plate of food? I'm so famished I believe I am getting a case of the vapors!

*Maria begins to giggle, then Vitus and Julia join in*

JVLIA: THE INTERMESSIO HAS BEGUN! The crowd is clearly amused by the desultatores! Oh that looks dangerousÂ…but so exciting!

*the desultatores, [acrobatic riders] perform stunts on horseback jumping form one to another while the crowd mills about getting refreshments, some are strolling to the stables to see which quadrigae look best so they are better informed to place their bets. The agitatores for the third quarterfinals are examining their horses and rechecking the tack and chariots.*

VITUS: The jugglers are juggling in time to the drums! Look at that one, he is on his hands and juggling with his feet! Oops. Ouch, that must've hurt.

JVLIA: There is my cousin Caesar talking to those drivers who did not win the last race, no doubt instructing them on the legal aspects of their actions. I hope they know they are in for a long night *laughs*, It's a Iulian thing. * a servant boy brings her another goblet of Falerian* No thank you, could you bring me a fruited water please. I will never make it through the next race; Vitus might just have to carry me home.

VITVS: It will be my pleasure Domina * smiles flirtatiously*

JVLIA: No ma chere, I promise it will be MY pleasure. *smiles knowingly, takes the goblet of fruited juice from the servitor, Vitus laughs robustly*

MARIA: Look what is happening down by the bleachers, a reprobate is approaching two young girls! *she looks nervously towards the two soldiers guarding the entrance to their skybox and then to Vitus and Gallus* Could any of you move the thingy on the thingy so we could zoom in and see what is going on?

VITVS: The thingy?

GALLVS HILARIVS: Which thingy?

JVLIA: *rolls her eyes, rises from her chair and slowly strolls over to both Vitus and Gallus and takes the goblets from their hands while one of the legionnaires moves the cameras to focus in on the girls and the degenerate*
Ok, the both of you, no more wine – or beer – or anything else alcoholic, until after the next race.
*gives them both a dulcet smile * Can I get a yes Domina?

GALLVS HILARIVS: *dramatically throws his hand in the air from the wrist and performs a neck roll and ultra sweetly says* Yes, Girlfriend DominaÂ…

VITVS: Thingy? *laughs and takes her into his arms and whispers* Yes Domina AmiculeÂ…

JVLIA: *peels herself away from the gorgeous man, her kaleidoscope eyes spitting lightening bolts*
I don't *do* PDAs, *an evil smile blooms on her face * you need discipline! And you, Gallus, will be donning a `yolk' before the night is over!

*Maria laughs in the background while Vitus gives Julia a decidedly seductive but challenging look*

GALLVS HILARIVS: Please stop, you are scaring me now! *takes out his PDA and check his email*

*They all laugh and then turn their eye to `da big screen' *

*In full living color an image flashes in the center of the big screen, the volume turned up over the various activities during halftime, although occasionally Tribune Rota is heard shouting frustratingly from one of his concession stands "una momento, madonna mia bah (something unintelligible), shissa!" in a combination of future languages*


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On the huge 50 ft X 108 feet RAGUS is finally getting enough attention to hopefully last him a lifetime (written in its entirety by our own C. Maria Caeca):

SCENE: 2 girls, Fantasia and Fantastica, are sitting on a bench, eating honey cakes and gossiping happily. Enter Ragus, dressed in a wine stained toga, which has been covered with every kind of amulet and charm ever seen, in Rome or in her provinces. In one hand, he clutches a half empty wine skin, and in the other, a blank scroll.

FANATASTICA: Oh, gods! Who is that person with the *really* strange toga and the dirty tangles hair?

FANTASIA: I don't know. Oh! He's coming toward *us*!

RAGUS staggers to the girls; falls on his knees (sort of) before them, and gathers them into an embrace.

RAGUS: Oh, sweet children! You must listen to me! I am the mighty philosopher Ragus! I am the fearsome magician! (flaps arms) I can lift myself with a thought, and float above the rooftops of Rome! (sways violently, nearly pulling the girls off the bench). Hear me, daughters! I bring you terrible news! Hear me, and read my scroll!

FANATASTICA: Um, I don't see any writing!

RAGUS: Shah! It is magic writing, silly child! Of *course* you can't see it .it's invisible!

FANTASIA.then how can we read it? Oh, please, (moves over) sit on this bench between us, or we'll all end up on the ground!

RAGUS tries to get up, falls, pulling the girls onto the ground, on top of him.

GIRLS shriek: my tunica! My hair! Mother will kill me! STOP THAT!

*RAGUS clutches the girls closer, sound of fabric tearing) Listen sweet darlings! There is danger afoot! There is threat to Nova Roma, and to all
who dwell within these walls! Let me tell you. Hush, listen, I say!

GIRLS: (trying to pull away) What? We'll listen, but let us go! We can't breathe!

FANATASTICA: and you stink!

RAGUS (drinks some wine, while more spills down his front) Listen, then! there is a band of mighty magicians from our many Provinces, all working together. And they have soldiers, oh, yes, *soldiers*! Girl soldiers, who have only their swords and shields for clothing (drinks more) Ah, how beautiful! How dangerous! How. Ah, the girls!

FANATASTICA, leaning forward: What danger? What threat? Tell us!

RAGUS: They are upon a quest to find out if Rome and the Romans who dwell her are really Greeks in disguise! They will destroy the city! They will destroy the forum! Run away, run away!

FANATASTICA tears herself away: Oh, I must flee! I must run! This is terrible! This is the worst thing I ever heard! I will *never* be associated with Greeks! (runs away, shrieking, covering her head with one hand, holding her tunica together with the other).

RAGUS: I need more wine! Read my scroll, girl, and get me some wine!

FANTASIA pulls away: Get your own wine, you nasty old man! I must warn the city!

She runs off, screaming) We are under attack! We are accused of being GREEK! We are being investigated by magicians, with naked female soldiers!

(several senators stop their discussion and turn to face FANTASIA:

Sen. L. COSIFUS: naked girls?

SEN. Cn. JUCIUS: GREEKS? What Greeks? There are no Greeks here, stupid girl! (sits down on bench) Now, be a good little Plebeian footstool. My feet are tired from standing!

SEN. NICO looks behind Fantasia at Ragus, staggering toward them: What is *that*?

FANTASIA: Oh, gods! (runs away) Beware Romans! The great magicians think you are all Greeks in disguise! Run Run, before they decide to purify the city with fire and bad wine!

A determined looking priest strides across the forum, hears her words, and stops in front of FANTASIA; Quoi? (slaps her across the face) You impious brat! Bad wine is the worst sacrilege! Go make offering to all the gods at once! At ONCE! You are a bad girl! (preferably, this last should be in French, grin).

RAGUS stumbles off, while Fantasia begins to wail, and the senators shake their heads in amazement. Meanwhile, a dignified gentleman in a fine toga comes along, without haste, humming a ditty to himself, and smiling.

RAGUS accosts him: You must flee! You must flee! We're all Greeks in disguise, and the magicians will kill us!

GENTLEMAN: "Son, I don't know about *you*, but I'm Norse, so I'm safe, whatever happens. Here, have a bit of this Meade. It will do you good.

RAGUS slurps down the offered drink. His eyes roll up, and he crumbles into happy oblivion.

GENTLEMAN to SENATORS: I thought that would take care of him. Now, will someone please go fetch that child and get her home to her mother?

SENATORS pointing at one another: You do it!

In the distance, you can hear FANTASIA: the magicians are coming! The magicians are coming!


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*The four commentators are howling in laughter, however they cannot be heard because most of the circus are howling in laughter as well*

JVLIA: *resuming the commentary as time draws closer for the Third Quarterfinal* Looks like there will be no more rain, there are a few clouds in the sky and it is now a little cooler as we head into the afternoon hours. Everyone is invited for a festival after the next race. We are going to try out our new stadium lights.
Wait, this just in: I have been asked by the Consul to remind everyone that near the main gate of the Circus is a new Lamborghini and you may purchase tax deductible raffle tickets, the price depends upon which provincia you live in.
Back to the spectators who are growing a bit restive, my good friend Senator Marinus is relaxing in his skybox, one of his chariots will be racing today however it is on loan to me. As always he is well dressed, today in a Top Hat, his toga picta and red boots. I see Petronius has decided to stay for the third quarterfinals as well. Looking about I see one very tall man isÂ… oh look-it! It's the Tall Man! And he is doing tai chi! The crowd is really getting restless (esp. the Barbarians), some are stretching in their seats; others are standing up and calling to the vendors! The wonderful scents of the food are whetting their appetites!
So many activities increase appetites, for food and other delights.
*laughs*
The spectators in the Tall Man's section are all performing Tai Chi with him!
Senator Severus sitting in his skybox with Senator Sabinus appears amused by this, and what is that he is eating? A bloody delicious steak tartar sandwich?
In yet another section Piscinus and Metullus are leading a "wave" – resplendent in their togas, what a great effect!
Hmmm Gens Iulius provided the free Wine and Mulsum this Intermessio; *said in a teasing tone*I hope they didn't get into my uber-ancient unfathomable potions way down in the deepest sub cellar. C'est la vie I suppose, y'all.
But everyone seems to be having a good time and that is what counts.

*noticing the chariots are preparing for the race Julia announces*
WILL EVERYONE COMPLETE THEIR PURCHASES AND RETURN TO THEIR SEATS PLEASE!

MARIA: They really turned the volume up for that Julia, but they got the message. Listen to the sweet sound of the CitharistsÂ…

GALLVS HILARIVS: Sugah, reallyÂ… I hope they don't put peoples to sleep. Techno might be a better choice esp. after all the food them folks have been devouring.

MARIA: Sure, ok Gallus, whatever you say.

GALLVS HILARIVS: You so silly, gurrrrrl.

MARIA: *chuckles @ Gallus*
The troika of chariots are beginning their procession around the track. The agitatores look phenomenal in their racing silks – oh my, see all those youths in tunics running alongside the chariots tossing red and white flowers onto the horse, drivers, and chariots!?!
In post position is Ventrus Albus driven by the handsome, cleanly shaven and newly married red-haired wonder Hermannus for the Albatae and owned by none other than myself! Each of the horses is wearing a soft light wreath of bay laurel, juniper, and violets. In second position is Rubidea driven by Barbarufa for the Russatae owned by M. Arminius Maior, in third position is Vita Brevis driven by the dark beauty Aiofe of Silures for Albatae, sponsor is the Domina of the Albatae factio, our Aedile Curules, L. Julia Aquila. Aiofe is on loan to Julia from Cn. Equitius Marinus. The steeds are sporting delicate wreaths of lily, myrtle and rose. In the fourth gate is Fulgor Castrensi driven by Micaelius Calceolarias for the Russatae owned by Tribune C. Aquillius Rota. His driver Micaelius Calceolarias is a guest driver for the Russatae as he is from a foreign team, Scuderium Ferrarium – makers of the little red Ferrari. I see an excited (when is he not excited) Rota by the carceres with his sons.

JVLIA: I was told an interesting story by the stable staff, Rota has ordered wreaths made for his quadrigae to honor his Patron God Mars and opted for cinnamon and peony – he left out the red clover because he was afraid it might distract the high strung hot-bloods, and rightly so – but he has ordered bails of the clover in anticipation of a win, so we may just see another red sea today! I do know one thing for sure, judging by the scent of those slow roasted hogs we will have a feast tonight no matter what the outcome!
Ladies and Gentleman, Maria and I shall be sitting back and watching this race – and also cheering on our chariots, so I now turn the microphone over to a Rome-town native, Vitus!

VITVS: Thank you Domina. Fine steeds this race and some very passionate and determined drivers! They have arrived back at the ostia!
The chariots are in position in the carceres! *the clamor from the stands is near riotous*.
The trumpets resound, Aedilis Curules Placidus drops the mappa to the ground; the ostia are sprung!
Missi sunt currus!
They're off!

All four of the chariots seem to be quite cautious as if they are out for a drive in the country!
Ventrus Albus' Hermannus takes the lead closest to the spina but it is Micaelius Calceolarius driving Fulgor Castrensi who pulls out ahead casting a challenging mien Hermannus way and is leading the pack. Aiofe is driving her retired mentor's chariot the Vita Brevis and she means to win, but she is keeping a steady pace scrutinizing the styles of the other drivers. Staying back is Rubidea driven by Barbarufa who does not seem to be in much of a hurry
The dolphin is turned as they head into the second lap and Fulgor Castrensi of the Russatae is out in front and edges near the spina as he heads down the straightaway unchallenged, moving up from the rear is Rubidea, also of the Russatae and is neck in neck with Vita Brevis of the Albatae. The crowd roars as a long time favorite Hermannus of the Albatae surges forward displacing Fulgor Castrensi and falls into first place, Vita Brevis passes on the outside and is now in second place as the dolphin is turned and they round the meta for the third lap. Up until now no one seemed eager to rush the pace this afternoon, the pace even and slow in relation to the last two races. The two chariots of the Albatae are out in front and Rubidea is in third place with Fulgor Castrensi last.
The Fulgor Castrensi picks up speed as it maneuvers around Rubidea on the last stretch of the third lap, but the Rubidea isn't having any of it and Barbarufa swings his chariot into the Fulgor Castrensi! The metal on both wheels screech and I swear I smell something being scorched! The Fulgor Castrensi rocks back and forth from wheel to wheel and Micaelius Calceolarius leans back in his chariot pulling on the reins and putting pressure on the yoke in what appears to be an effort to hold back the quadrigae that appear frightened and are beginning to bolt! If he does not gain control he will never make it around the next turn. The crowds have come back to life and all manner of fruits and vegetation are issuing from the stands in addition to red and white flowers. Red and white flags and pom-poms are being waved madly! Coming down the last stretch of the third lap Micaelius Calceolarius gains control of his steeds but he looks like a spawn out of Hades, his face is twisted, his eyes are black fire and his coal black long hair floats eerily behind him! The dolphin has barely turned as he follows on the heels of Barbarufa, driver of the Rubidea! In the lead Ventrus Albus and Vita Brevis are neck in neck as they head into the final lap.
WHOA!!!! I CAN"T BELIEVE MY EYES!!!!! MICAELIUS CALCEOLARIUS JUST TRIED TO PULL BARBARUFA OUT OF HIS CHARIOT BUT IN A TWIST OF FATE BARBARUFA GRABBED THE BIG MAN'S ARM AND NEARLY TOSSED HIM FROM THE FULGOR CASTRENSI!!!!!
Barbarufa pulls the Rubidea away from the Fulgor Castrensi leaving the nearly out of control chariot far behind him and is racing to catch up to the two lead chariots. Aiofe puts the pressure on her steeds and passes the Ventrus Albus and she looks good for the win, a full lap and a half ahead of Hermannus' Ventrus Alba! Rubidea is on the heels of Ventrus Albus and closing in fast! The Vita Brevis is thundering down the final stretch!
*Vitus is shouting over the crowd now*
AWWWW we may be looking at an upset as Hermannus' steeds catch up to the Vita Brevis!
IT'S A BLANKET FINISH! Hermannus driving Ventrus Albus wins by the skin of his horses' teeth! The Vita Brevis is a very close second, Rubidea right on the heels of the Vita Brevis in third and Fulgor Castrensi last with Micaelius Calceolarius cussing and threatening Barbarufa! The legionnaires are in place to avert a melee like after this morning's race. Rota runs to Micaelius Calceolarius and whisks him away to calm him down!
THE THIRD QUARTERFINAL WINNERS ARE, IN FIRST PLACE VENTRUS ALBA DRIVEN BY HERMANNUS FOR THE ALBATAE AND IN SECOND PLACE VITA BREVIS DRIVEN BY AIOFE, ALSO FOR THE ALBATAE! THEY GO ONTO THE SEMI-FINALS!
In third place is Rubidea driven by Barbarufa and in last place is Fulgor Castrensi driven by Micaelius Calceolarius.

It looks like it is snowing! *he picks up Julia and swings her around, all in the commentators booth are hugging, laughing and joyous!* congratulations Julia * he them picks up Maria giving her a great big kiss on her nose, swings her around before gently putting down* Congratulations Domina *he bows to them both*

JVLIA: Thank you all for coming to the Ludi Romani Circenses today! Please help yourself to all the food and drink you desire!!!!!
We'll see you for the Fourth Quarterfinal 11Sept2010

GALLVS HILARIVS: Well I'm ready to parteeeeeee! Am I going to get an escort?

VITVS: *ignoring Gallus, Vitus offers one arm to Julia and the other to Maria* Come Ladies, let's go meet your winners and enjoy the rest of the evening. *they start walking towards the door with the two legionnaires following them for their safety, Vitus turns to Gallus* C'mon, we wouldn't leave you alone, but both these ladies are with me! You have to get your own!

GALLVS HILARIVS: *Gallus laughs* don't take offense, I love both you ladies but you are just not my type, I have my eye on this handsome fire dancer who is in need of a shave and a good stylingÂ…

Narratio resumeturÂ…
To be continuedÂ…
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80692 From: A. Decia Scriptrix Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Certamen Historicum - Day 7
EX OFFICIO AEDILIS P. ANNAEI L. IVLIAE

Ludi Romani

A. Decia Scriptrix Quiritibus s. p. d.


This is the 7th day of the Ludi Romani, to celebrate Iuppiter and the
harvest.

This day is devoted to Mars

Welcome to the Certamen Historicum, Day 7 questions follow the info!

VITA ROMANÅŒRUM (Life of the Romans)
The game is a series of 12 different questions with 1 – 3 answers per
question including bonus
answers based on three videos regarding various aspects of basic Roman life
that every ancient Roman would know. 1 – 2 will be offered each day. It is
designed to be fun and
educational.

TOPIC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs2gQSn2Tho&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-32UWMCrtE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giUpHkNL51Y&p=C20B1BE42D53BF2F&playnext=1&index=61


RULES:
1) Everyday during the Ludi one or two questions will be posted. You may
answer
them as they are posted or when you have time as long as they are answered
by
the Deadline as indicated below. Some are easy, some not so.


2) 12 questions, some with multiple answers earn 2 – 14 points including
some bonus
questions for a total of 60 points.

THE WINNER

The winner is the citizen who earns the most points!

DEADLINE
The 11th of September
Results will be posted within a few days of the close of the Ludi
Please send your submissions to
a.decia.scriptrix@...

PRIVATELY!

*DAY 7 QUESTIONS

**Question 11 and 12*

*11) How did the Romans heat their Bathwater and rooms at the same time? -
8 points*

*12) What did the study of the gladiators wounds indicate? - 4 points*


Valete et habete fortunam bonam!

A. Decia Scriptrix



And for our late entrants I am repeating all previous questions:

*1) How many men did the Romans lose against Spartacus? - 2 points *

*2) Where did the name gladiator come from? - 2 points*

*3) What is the name of the device that the Romans used to heat their bath
houses? 2 points*

*4) Which gladiators never wore helmets? 2 points*

*5) Name three fighting styles taught by this gladiator school. 6 points and
2 bonus points if the extra style is added.*

*6) How is the water heated in the bath house and what scientific principle
was used? 4 points*

*7) What was Marcus Crassus’ answer to Caesar’s comment that he had grown
religious? – 4 points*

*8) The gladiator games also created a lot of work. Name four of these jobs
mentioned here. - 8 points and 6 bonus points if all 7 are mentioned*

*9) What is the name of the weapon that caused four holes in the bone above
the knee? - 2 points*

*10) What was Marcus Crassus’ price for patriotism? – 6 points*


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80693 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: a. d. III Eidus Septembris: The Agustan Restoration and fl. Dialis
M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quiritibus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos inculumes custodian.

Hodie est ante diem III Eidus Septembris; haec dies comitialis est: Ludi Romani magni; Favonius aut Africus, Virgo media exoritur.

"A rural law observed in most of the farms of Italy, forbids women to twirl their distaffs, or even to carry them uncovered, while walking in the public roads; it being a thing so prejudicial to all hopes and anticipations, those of a good harvest in particular." ~ C. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 28.5

This prohibition, it would seem, was intended to prevent the hexing of neighbors' crops, as where in the Twelve Tablets it was considered a crime to sing ill on your neighbor's crops.


Dismissal and Appointment of Flamines Dialis

While the appointment as flamen Dialis was considered to be for life, any flamen, including the flamen Dialis, could be compeled to leave office if he performed his duties improperly. Our sources give us some examples.

"But at about the time of which I am speaking, two most illustrious priests were deposed from their priesthoods, Cornelius Cethegus, because he presented the entrails of his victim improperly, and Quintus Sulpicius, because, while he was sacrificing, the peaked apex which the flamens wear had fallen from his head." ~ Plutarch, On Marcellus 5

"C. Claudius, one of the Flamens of Jupiter, was guilty of irregularity in laying the selected parts of the victim on the altar and consequently resigned his office." ~ Titus Livius 26.23.8

"On a similar principle P. Coelius Siculus, M. Cornelius Cethegus, and C. Claudius in various times and different wars were ordered and even compelled to quit office as Flamines on account of entrails taken to the altars of the immortal Gods without proper care. Furthermore, as Q. Sulpicius was offering sacrifice the apex slipped from his head, thus depriving him of the same priestly office." ~ Valerius Maximus 1.1.4-5

Unfortunately we do not know more on their fault. "Without proper care," along with the mention of Q. Sulpicius losing his apex, may suggest that they had dropped the offerings intended for Jupiter to the ground. Ordinarily what falls to the ground is considered to have been claimed by the Manes. But in such cases as sacrifices performed by the flamen Dialis, the offerings were previously consecrated to Jupiter. There is the suggestion, too, that some disagreements might have arose over whether the flamen Dialis had to resign under these circumstances, as our sources indicate that at least in one instance he was "even compeled" to leave office.

On the other hand it seems that the Pontifex Maximus, either alone or else acting on behalf of the Collegium Pontificum, could compel a person to take the office of flamen Dialis even when the candidate did not wish to hold the office.

"P. Licinius, the Pontifex Maximus, compelled C. Valerius Flaccus to be consecrated, against his will, a Flamen of Jupiter. C. Laetorius was appointed one of the Keepers of the Sacred Books in place of Q. Mucius Scaevola, deceased. Had not the bad repute into which Valerius had fallen given place to a good and honourable character, I should have preferred to keep silence as to the cause of his forcible consecration. It was in consequence of his careless and dissolute life as a young man, which had estranged his own brother Lucius and his other relations, that the Pontifex Maximus made him a Flamen. When his thoughts became wholly occupied with the performance of his sacred duties he threw off his former character so completely that amongst all the young men in Rome, none held a higher place in the esteem and approbation of the leading patricians, whether personal friends or strangers to him. Encouraged by this general feeling he gained sufficient self-confidence to revive a custom which, owing to the low character of former Flamens, had long fallen into disuse; he took his seat in the senate. As soon as he appeared L. Licinius the praetor had him removed. He claimed it as the ancient privilege of the priesthood and pleaded that it was conferred together with the toga praetexta and curule chair as belonging to the Flamen's office. The praetor refused to rest the question upon obsolete precedents drawn from the annalists and appealed to recent usage. No Flamen of Jupiter, he argued, had exercised that right within the memory of their fathers or their grandfathers. The tribunes, when appealed to, gave it as their opinion that as it was through the supineness and negligence of individual Flamens that the practice had fallen into abeyance, the priesthood ought not to be deprived of its rights. They led the Flamen into the senate amid the warm approval of the House and without any opposition even from the praetor, though every one felt that Flaccus had gained his seat more through the purity and integrity of his life than through any right inherent in his office." ~ Titus Livius 27.8.4-10

The office of flamen Dialis remained vacant for roughly seventy-five years, from 87/86 BCE until 11 BCE:

"Meanwhile, after the governorship of Junius Blaesus in Africa had been extended, the Flamen Dialis, Servius Maluginensis, demanded the allotment of Asia to himself. "It was a common fallacy," he insisted, "that the flamens of Jove were not allowed to leave Italy; nor was his own legal status different from that of the flamens of Mars and Quirinus. If, then, they had had provinces allotted them, why was the right withheld from the flamen Dialis? There was no national decree to be found on the point — nothing in the LibriCaeremoniarum. The pontifices had often performed the rites of Jove, if the flamen was prevented by sickness or public business. For seventy-five years after the self-murder of Cornelius Merula (87 BCE) no one had been appointed in his place, yet the rites had not been interrupted. But if so many years could elapse without a new creation, and without detriment to the cult, how much more easily could he absent himself for twelve months of proconsular authority? Personal rivalries had no doubt in former times led the pontifices to prohibit his order from visiting the provinces: to day, by the grace of the Highest Gods, the pontifex maximus is also the chief of men (i. e. the emperor, since 12 BCE), beyond the reach of jealousy, rancour, or private inclinations." Since various objections to the argument were raised by the augur (Cn. Cornelius) Lentulus and others, it was determined, in the upshot, to wait for the verdict of the pontifex maximus himself. Tiberius postponed his inquiry into the legal standing of the flamen." ~ P. Cornelius Tacitus, Annales 3.58-59

The year after Augustus became pontifex maximus in 12 BCE, he appointed a flamen Dialis to finally replace Merula. This restoration of the office was one of several examples of what is called the Augustan Restoration:

"After he finally had assumed the office of pontifex maximus on the death of Lepidus (for he could not make up his mind to deprive him of the honour while he lived) he collected whatever prophetic writings of Greek or Latin origin were in circulation anonymously or under the names of authors of little repute, and burned more than two thousand of them, retaining only the Sibylline books and making a choice even among those; and he deposited them in two gilded cases under the pedestal of the Palatine Apollo. Inasmuch as the calendar, which had been set in order by the Deified Julius, had later been confused and disordered through negligence, he restored it to its former system; and in making this arrangement he called the month Sextilis by his own surname, rather than his birth-month September, because in the former he had won his first consulship and his most brilliant victories. He increased the number and importance of the priests, and also their allowances and privileges, in particular those of the Vestal virgins. Moreover, when there was occasion to choose another vestal in place of one who had died, and many used all their influence to avoid submitting their daughters to the hazard of the lot, he solemnly swore that if anyone of his grand-daughters were of eligible age, he would have proposed her name. He also revived some of the ancient rites which had gradually fallen into disuse, such as the augury of Safety, the office of Flamen Dialis, the ceremonies of the Lupercalia, the Ludi Saecularii, and the festival of the Compitalia. At the Lupercalia he forbade beardless youths to join in the running, and at the Secular Games he wouldn't allow young people of either sex to attend any entertainment by night except in company with some adult relative. He provided that the Lares of the Crossroads should be crowned twice a year, with spring and summer flowers." ~ Suetonius, Augustus 31


AUC 1117 / 364 CE: Following the death of Julian the Blessed, on this day the Emperors Flavius Valentinianus and Valens imposed the death penalty on those who worship their ancestors at their lararia.


Thought of the day from Epictetus, Enchiridion 14

"If you wish your children and your wife and your friends to live forever, you are foolish; for you wish things to be in your power which are not so; and what belongs to others to be your own. So likewise, if you wish your servant to be without fault, you are foolish; for you wish vice not to be vice, but something else. But if you wish not to be disappointed in your desires, that is in your own power. Exercise, therefore, what is in your power. A man's master is he who is able to confer or remove whatever that man seeks or shuns. Whoever then would be free, let him wish for nothing, let him decline nothing, which depends on others; else he must necessarily be a slave."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80694 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: In Memoriam
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Salvete omnes.

Although it has nothing to do with Nova Roma per se, I ask us all to take a moment to remember the victims of the horrific attacks on my city, on the Pentagon in Washington DC, and of the crashing of United Airlines flight 93 on this day in AD 2001.

Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Te
decet hymnus Deus, in Sion, et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem.
Exaudi orationem meam; ad te omnis caro veniet. Requiem æternam dona
eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Absolve, Domine, animas
omnium fidelium defunctorum ab omno vinculo delictorum et gratia tua
illis succurente mereantur evadere iudicium ultionis, et lucis æterne
beatitudine perfrui. In paradisum deducant te Angeli; in tuo adventu
suscipiant te martyres, et perducant te in civitatem sanctam
Ierusalem. Chorus angelorum te suscipiat, et cum Lazaro quondam
paupere æternam habeas requiem. Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem.
Dona eis requiem sempiternam.

Valete bene,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80695 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: a.d. III Id. Sept. - the Second Day of the Greater Mysteries
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem III Idus Septembris; haec dies comitialis
est.

"It is said, then, that when Demeter came to Argos she was received by
Pelasgos into his home, and that Khrysanthis, knowing about the rape
of Kore [the Roman Proserpina], related the story to her. Afterwards
Trokhilos, the priest of the mysteries, fled, they say, from Argos
because of the enmity of Agenor, came to Attika and married a woman of
Eleusis, by whom he had two children Eubouleos and Triptolemos. That
is the account given by the Argives." -Pausanias, Description of
Greece 1.14.3

"The second day was called halade mystai, to the sea, you that are
initiated because they were commanded to purify themselves by bathing
in the sea." - Lempriere, "Classical Dictionary"

"...the cry rang out: 'Initiates into the sea!' As they had bathed in
the Ilissos before the myesis, now they bathed in the sea between
which and the goddess of Eleusis there were certain secret bonds,
described perhaps in very ancient sacred legends...The common
purification in the sea seems, however, to have been a relatively late
institution … as we see in an Elusinian relief – one of the goddesses
herself sprinkled the man whom she chose for initiation: Triptolemos
or another Eleusinian hero. All this was no secret...Washing is the
channel through which they are initiated into the sacred rites of Isis
or Mithras; at the Eleusinia they are 'baptized' to achieve
'regeneration and the remission of' their sins." - Kerenyi, "Eleusis"

"The candidates for initiation bathed themselves in holy water, and
put on new clothes, all of linen . . From the ceremony of bathing they
were denominated hydrani; and this again was a kind of baptismal
ablution. Whether the phrases of washing away sin . . putting off the
old man with his deeds, putting on a robe of righteousness ... the
words mystery, perfect, perfection, which occur so frequently in the
New Testament ... are borrowed from the Pagan mysteries, or from usage
current among the Jews, we leave to our more learned readers to
determine." - Encyclopaedia Britannica (ed. AD 1810)

"When Ceres was hunting for her daughter, she came to King Eleusinus,
whose wife Cothonea had borne the boy Triptolemus...on Triptolemus she
conferred everlasting honour, for she gave him her chariot yoked with
Serpents to spread the cultivation of grain. Riding in it he sowed
grain throughout the earth. When he returned, Celeus bade him be
killed for his benefactions, but when this was known, by Ceres' order
he gave the kingdom to Triptolemus, who called it Eleusis from his
father's name. He also established sacred rites in honour of Ceres,
which hare called in Greek Thesmophoria." - Pseudo-Hyginus, Fabulae 147

Today is the second day of the celebration of the Greater Eleusinian
Mysteries, dedicated to Triptolemus. Triptolemus is a demi-god of the
Eleusinian mysteries who presided over the sowing of grain-seed and
the milling of wheat. His name means "He who Pounds the Husks."
Triptolemos was one of the Eleusinian princes who kindly received
Demeter when she came mourning the loss of her daughter Persephone.
The young goddess was eventually returned to her from the Underworld,
and Demeter in her munificence, instructed Triptolemos in the art of
agriculture, and gave him a winged chariot drawn by serpents so that
he might travel the world spreading her gift. He did so, but when he
came to the cold northern land of the Skythians, king Lynkos slew one
of the dragons and drove him away. Deventer intervened--transforming
the king into a lynx, and denying the Skythians agriculture.

Triptolemos often appears in Athenian vase painting seated in the
winged chariot, surrounded by the goddesses Demeter, Persephone and
Hekate. He was also shown in gatherings of the Eleusinian gods.

Valete bene,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80696 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Salve et salvete QSP;

May all their souls have found surcease of sorrow and a peaceful rest.

May we the living look at the events, learn from them and keep other
such from reoccurring; reasonably, justly and wisely.

=====================================
In amicitia et fide
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Lictor, Patrician, Paterfamilias
Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

(sites subject to occasional updates)
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/p.ullerius.stfnus.venator
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80697 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Salve cives,

Let us all take a moment today, in our busy lives, to pause and reflect upon the
events of that fateful day.

Let us ask the gods to continue to help the survivors and families of the
victims to find solace.

May the future bring a world in which all human beings can move past the
differences that separate and divide us and instead focus on the commonalities
that make us the most unique of all the creatures to have ever walked the Earth.

Pax omnibus,

Gaius Octavius Priscus




________________________________
From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 7:36:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] In Memoriam


Salve et salvete QSP;

May all their souls have found surcease of sorrow and a peaceful rest.

May we the living look at the events, learn from them and keep other
such from reoccurring; reasonably, justly and wisely.

=====================================
In amicitia et fide
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Lictor, Patrician, Paterfamilias
Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

(sites subject to occasional updates)
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/p.ullerius.stfnus.venator
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80698 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Salve Priscus, et salvete omnes,

prisce, well said! Remembering is important, because doing so *might* prevent repeating history, and going forward is just as important, lest we become mired in the past, and in the hatreds that *should* be left there, and all too often, are not.

Vale et valete bene,
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80699 From: DecimusGladiusLupus Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Salvete Amici,
 
A very sad day, one of the most horrible events I have ever witnessed, may we never have to see the likes of it again, Gods bless America on this sadest occasion.
 
                                                               Lupus; Hibernia.

--- On Sat, 11/9/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:


From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] In Memoriam
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 11 September, 2010, 11:05


 



Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Salvete omnes.

Although it has nothing to do with Nova Roma per se, I ask us all to take a moment to remember the victims of the horrific attacks on my city, on the Pentagon in Washington DC, and of the crashing of United Airlines flight 93 on this day in AD 2001.

Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Te
decet hymnus Deus, in Sion, et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem.
Exaudi orationem meam; ad te omnis caro veniet. Requiem æternam dona
eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Absolve, Domine, animas
omnium fidelium defunctorum ab omno vinculo delictorum et gratia tua
illis succurente mereantur evadere iudicium ultionis, et lucis æterne
beatitudine perfrui. In paradisum deducant te Angeli; in tuo adventu
suscipiant te martyres, et perducant te in civitatem sanctam
Ierusalem. Chorus angelorum te suscipiat, et cum Lazaro quondam
paupere æternam habeas requiem. Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem.
Dona eis requiem sempiternam.

Valete bene,

Cato











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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80700 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Ave!

Rome knew tragedies.

This is our tragedy. It is through both our triumph and tragedies that
bring us closer to the ancients and to know ourselves better. I know I will
never forget that day. The day that changed all of our lives.

MSNBC is rebroadcasting that day. I tried to watch it. I got up to the
point where the Palestinians were cheering in the streets and I felt my
blood boiling. We should never forget that day, and I hope and pray we all
never do.

Vale,

Sulla

2010/9/11 Cato <catoinnyc@...>

>
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> Although it has nothing to do with Nova Roma per se, I ask us all to take a
> moment to remember the victims of the horrific attacks on my city, on the
> Pentagon in Washington DC, and of the crashing of United Airlines flight 93
> on this day in AD 2001.
>
> Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Te
> decet hymnus Deus, in Sion, et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem.
> Exaudi orationem meam; ad te omnis caro veniet. Requiem �ternam dona
> eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Absolve, Domine, animas
> omnium fidelium defunctorum ab omno vinculo delictorum et gratia tua
> illis succurente mereantur evadere iudicium ultionis, et lucis �terne
> beatitudine perfrui. In paradisum deducant te Angeli; in tuo adventu
> suscipiant te martyres, et perducant te in civitatem sanctam
> Ierusalem. Chorus angelorum te suscipiat, et cum Lazaro quondam
> paupere �ternam habeas requiem. Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem.
> Dona eis requiem sempiternam.
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Cato
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80701 From: Leah Bernardo-Ciddio Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Salve, Sulla, et salvete omnes,

You are strong that you can bear to watch even a few minutes of it. I am
only a Canadian and I cannot even bear to turn on the television or the
radio on this day every year. I was just eleven years old when this happened
but to this day I still have nightmares about planes crashing into buildings
or cities (the most recent probably about a week and a half ago). Why our
teachers decided to bring televisions into our classrooms and expose us,
mere children, to that footage, I will never know. I can't imagine what the
witnesses go through.

May all those lost that day rest in peace.

Valete,
Ocella

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...>wrote:

> Ave!
>
> Rome knew tragedies.
>
> This is our tragedy. It is through both our triumph and tragedies that
> bring us closer to the ancients and to know ourselves better. I know I
> will
> never forget that day. The day that changed all of our lives.
>
> MSNBC is rebroadcasting that day. I tried to watch it. I got up to the
> point where the Palestinians were cheering in the streets and I felt my
> blood boiling. We should never forget that day, and I hope and pray we all
> never do.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> 2010/9/11 Cato <catoinnyc@...>
>
> >
> >
> > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> >
> > Salvete omnes.
> >
> > Although it has nothing to do with Nova Roma per se, I ask us all to take
> a
> > moment to remember the victims of the horrific attacks on my city, on the
> > Pentagon in Washington DC, and of the crashing of United Airlines flight
> 93
> > on this day in AD 2001.
> >
> > Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Te
> > decet hymnus Deus, in Sion, et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem.
> > Exaudi orationem meam; ad te omnis caro veniet. Requiem æternam dona
> > eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Absolve, Domine, animas
> > omnium fidelium defunctorum ab omno vinculo delictorum et gratia tua
> > illis succurente mereantur evadere iudicium ultionis, et lucis æterne
> > beatitudine perfrui. In paradisum deducant te Angeli; in tuo adventu
> > suscipiant te martyres, et perducant te in civitatem sanctam
> > Ierusalem. Chorus angelorum te suscipiat, et cum Lazaro quondam
> > paupere æternam habeas requiem. Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem.
> > Dona eis requiem sempiternam.
> >
> > Valete bene,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80702 From: Leah Bernardo-Ciddio Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Salve, Cato,

I am so sorry that you had to see that done not only to your fellow
countrymen, but to your city. It must have been a terrifying time.

May peace and justice eventually be found for everyone involved in these
ongoing issues. We can only pray that tragedies like this, and those less
remembered, will one day end.

Vale,
Ocella

2010/9/11 Cato <catoinnyc@...>

>
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> Although it has nothing to do with Nova Roma per se, I ask us all to take a
> moment to remember the victims of the horrific attacks on my city, on the
> Pentagon in Washington DC, and of the crashing of United Airlines flight 93
> on this day in AD 2001.
>
> Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Te
> decet hymnus Deus, in Sion, et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem.
> Exaudi orationem meam; ad te omnis caro veniet. Requiem �ternam dona
> eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Absolve, Domine, animas
> omnium fidelium defunctorum ab omno vinculo delictorum et gratia tua
> illis succurente mereantur evadere iudicium ultionis, et lucis �terne
> beatitudine perfrui. In paradisum deducant te Angeli; in tuo adventu
> suscipiant te martyres, et perducant te in civitatem sanctam
> Ierusalem. Chorus angelorum te suscipiat, et cum Lazaro quondam
> paupere �ternam habeas requiem. Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem.
> Dona eis requiem sempiternam.
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Cato
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80703 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Ave!

This is one of those events that I think it is that important enough to
watch at least until a limit is reached - like my limit. I think it is
important because we are constantly told that we should be more tolerant, we
should be more understanding. I personally think it is the wrong lesson.
We should recognize that some people and some actions are just evil and
there is only one way to deal with that evil.

Though I am sorry you had to experience and be exposed to 9/11 at such a
young age. I was 29 years old when it happened. And much like every major
event, I remember where I was that day.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Leah Bernardo-Ciddio <lbciddio@...>wrote:

>
>
> Salve, Sulla, et salvete omnes,
>
> You are strong that you can bear to watch even a few minutes of it. I am
> only a Canadian and I cannot even bear to turn on the television or the
> radio on this day every year. I was just eleven years old when this
> happened
> but to this day I still have nightmares about planes crashing into
> buildings
> or cities (the most recent probably about a week and a half ago). Why our
> teachers decided to bring televisions into our classrooms and expose us,
> mere children, to that footage, I will never know. I can't imagine what the
> witnesses go through.
>
> May all those lost that day rest in peace.
>
> Valete,
> Ocella
>
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Robert Woolwine
> <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
>
>
> > Ave!
> >
> > Rome knew tragedies.
> >
> > This is our tragedy. It is through both our triumph and tragedies that
> > bring us closer to the ancients and to know ourselves better. I know I
> > will
> > never forget that day. The day that changed all of our lives.
> >
> > MSNBC is rebroadcasting that day. I tried to watch it. I got up to the
> > point where the Palestinians were cheering in the streets and I felt my
> > blood boiling. We should never forget that day, and I hope and pray we
> all
> > never do.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > 2010/9/11 Cato <catoinnyc@... <catoinnyc%40gmail.com>>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> > >
> > > Salvete omnes.
> > >
> > > Although it has nothing to do with Nova Roma per se, I ask us all to
> take
> > a
> > > moment to remember the victims of the horrific attacks on my city, on
> the
> > > Pentagon in Washington DC, and of the crashing of United Airlines
> flight
> > 93
> > > on this day in AD 2001.
> > >
> > > Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Te
> > > decet hymnus Deus, in Sion, et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem.
> > > Exaudi orationem meam; ad te omnis caro veniet. Requiem �ternam dona
> > > eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Absolve, Domine, animas
> > > omnium fidelium defunctorum ab omno vinculo delictorum et gratia tua
> > > illis succurente mereantur evadere iudicium ultionis, et lucis �terne
> > > beatitudine perfrui. In paradisum deducant te Angeli; in tuo adventu
> > > suscipiant te martyres, et perducant te in civitatem sanctam
> > > Ierusalem. Chorus angelorum te suscipiat, et cum Lazaro quondam
> > > paupere �ternam habeas requiem. Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem.
> > > Dona eis requiem sempiternam.
> > >
> > > Valete bene,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80704 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
C. Maria Caeca Gn. Liviae Ocellae L. Cornelio Sullae Senatori omnibusque S.
P. D.

Sulla, you know ...there is, or should be, a vast difference between
understanding and acceptance, and, while tolerance tends towards acceptance,
the 2 things are not qui the same. I think there are many lessons to be
learned from that, and other horrific, events, the one you outlined, among
them.

While I try to be tolerant and even understanding and compassionate, let me
tell ya what. if anyone comes after me, the people I care about, my home or
my country ...things change, immediately and drastically. As I was typing
this, I realized that my tolerance also does not include seeing people
treated unfairly or unjustly, although those definitions are, in mos cases,
I suspect individual and subjective.

Livia, Amica, I am sorry that you had to experience that at such a young
age, and so graphically ...though I suspect that the teachers who were
playing it at the time had absolutely *no* idea what was going to happen.
It shocked the entire world, (well, at least 99% of it), and yes, I too,
remember that day with exactness, as well as the day on which John
Fitzgerald Kennedy was assassinated. (oops, I just dated myself, didn't I?).

Vale et valete bene,
CMC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80705 From: Leah Bernardo-Ciddio Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Cn. Livia Ocella C. Mariae Caecae L. Cornelio Sullae Senatori omnibusque in
foro sal,

It really is one of those instances when everyone remembers what they were
doing.

What astonishes me most, though, is my brother's attitude towards the event.
He was just six then, and he can't understand the solemnity with which
myself, my parents, and others older than him treat this day. He doesn't
have the best memory, so he does not even remember a world before 9/11,
before all this mess came to North America in a big way, and before my
father, a transit worker, had to be trained to recognize anthrax powder or
bombs planted on his bus. I think the young shrug it off. They're used to
hearing about these attacks, suicide bombings, hostage-taking, etc. He
doesn't even find the footage sickening - to him it's just a piece of
history. Which is why you are precisely right, Sulla - we cannot forget, and
everyone should be educated about this and other events, to a point.

I've just been reading about the attacks at the Munich Olympics in 1972...
it's strange to think that the same way I have been reading about this, so
far removed from the incident which my parents, older friends, and some of
my older coworkers remember so vividly, someone will be feeling that far
removed from 9/11 and be reading about it with nothing more than a vague
historical interest.

Optime valete,
Ocella

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 6:36 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

>
>
> C. Maria Caeca Gn. Liviae Ocellae L. Cornelio Sullae Senatori omnibusque S.
>
> P. D.
>
> Sulla, you know ...there is, or should be, a vast difference between
> understanding and acceptance, and, while tolerance tends towards
> acceptance,
> the 2 things are not qui the same. I think there are many lessons to be
> learned from that, and other horrific, events, the one you outlined, among
> them.
>
> While I try to be tolerant and even understanding and compassionate, let me
>
> tell ya what. if anyone comes after me, the people I care about, my home or
>
> my country ...things change, immediately and drastically. As I was typing
> this, I realized that my tolerance also does not include seeing people
> treated unfairly or unjustly, although those definitions are, in mos cases,
>
> I suspect individual and subjective.
>
> Livia, Amica, I am sorry that you had to experience that at such a young
> age, and so graphically ...though I suspect that the teachers who were
> playing it at the time had absolutely *no* idea what was going to happen.
> It shocked the entire world, (well, at least 99% of it), and yes, I too,
> remember that day with exactness, as well as the day on which John
> Fitzgerald Kennedy was assassinated. (oops, I just dated myself, didn't
> I?).
>
> Vale et valete bene,
> CMC
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80706 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Salve Livia,

Oh, dear gods ...I remember *that* also, watching events unfold in growing horror. But yes, you make an *excellent* point, always, not just because they happened, or because they changed the world in some way, but because they define, usually in terrible ways, the limits of acceptable human behavior, and what happens when those limits are passed. There are also those wonderful events (all too few, I admit) when we excel our limits and do marvelous things, and they, also should be remembered, because within *them* is a promise, and a challenge.

Vale quam optime,
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80707 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Salve et salvete;

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:36 PM, C.Maria Caeca scripsit:
>
> C. Maria Caeca Gn. Liviae Ocellae L. Cornelio Sullae Senatori omnibusque S.
> P. D.
>
> [excision] and yes, I too,
> remember that day with exactness, as well as the day on which John
> Fitzgerald Kennedy was assassinated. (oops, I just dated myself, didn't I?).
>
> Vale et valete bene,
> CMC
>

We were watching the motorcade in Dallas live on TV during my
brother's 4th birthday party. I had turned six the previous March,
been out hunting 2 seasons already (I was small enough to go in the
bushes and retrieve)...so I well understood what had happened to that
man with the nice wife, and a little girl and a little boy, like me.

The TV was on a side table (which my dad had made out of a couple of
packing crates) in our kitchen, the southwest corner...it was a GE,
blue cabinet, white trim around the screen, expensive for the time, a
19", black and white receiver...I also watched the Apollo moon landing
6 years later on that same set.

Mom, dad and the other parents were shocked, crying; being oldest of
the kids, I got them out to the street for a game of touch
football...I held my own tears in so the little kids wouldn't be
scared...they forgot once they started playing.

I do remember Eisenhower as a bald, grand-fatherly old man I saw on TV.

I like to quip that he was the last President I unconditionally trusted...

Vale et Valete - Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80708 From: Leah Bernardo-Ciddio Date: 2010-09-11
Subject: Re: In Memoriam
Salve,

Yes - I think it is important to remember all events like these, and the
people which they affected and whose lives they have changed or cut short.

I believe firmly in tolerance, but I also agree with you - there can be
absolutely no excuse for the murder of innocents from anyone, no matter what
any given nation's previous history holds. Murder is not something that
should ever be tolerated.

Vale,
Ocella

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...>wrote:

> Ave!
>
> This is one of those events that I think it is that important enough to
> watch at least until a limit is reached - like my limit. I think it is
> important because we are constantly told that we should be more tolerant,
> we
> should be more understanding. I personally think it is the wrong lesson.
> We should recognize that some people and some actions are just evil and
> there is only one way to deal with that evil.
>
> Though I am sorry you had to experience and be exposed to 9/11 at such a
> young age. I was 29 years old when it happened. And much like every major
> event, I remember where I was that day.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Leah Bernardo-Ciddio <lbciddio@...
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salve, Sulla, et salvete omnes,
> >
> > You are strong that you can bear to watch even a few minutes of it. I am
> > only a Canadian and I cannot even bear to turn on the television or the
> > radio on this day every year. I was just eleven years old when this
> > happened
> > but to this day I still have nightmares about planes crashing into
> > buildings
> > or cities (the most recent probably about a week and a half ago). Why our
> > teachers decided to bring televisions into our classrooms and expose us,
> > mere children, to that footage, I will never know. I can't imagine what
> the
> > witnesses go through.
> >
> > May all those lost that day rest in peace.
> >
> > Valete,
> > Ocella
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Robert Woolwine
> > <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Ave!
> > >
> > > Rome knew tragedies.
> > >
> > > This is our tragedy. It is through both our triumph and tragedies that
> > > bring us closer to the ancients and to know ourselves better. I know I
> > > will
> > > never forget that day. The day that changed all of our lives.
> > >
> > > MSNBC is rebroadcasting that day. I tried to watch it. I got up to the
> > > point where the Palestinians were cheering in the streets and I felt my
> > > blood boiling. We should never forget that day, and I hope and pray we
> > all
> > > never do.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > 2010/9/11 Cato <catoinnyc@... <catoinnyc%40gmail.com>>
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cato omnibus in foro SPD
> > > >
> > > > Salvete omnes.
> > > >
> > > > Although it has nothing to do with Nova Roma per se, I ask us all to
> > take
> > > a
> > > > moment to remember the victims of the horrific attacks on my city, on
> > the
> > > > Pentagon in Washington DC, and of the crashing of United Airlines
> > flight
> > > 93
> > > > on this day in AD 2001.
> > > >
> > > > Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Te
> > > > decet hymnus Deus, in Sion, et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem.
> > > > Exaudi orationem meam; ad te omnis caro veniet. Requiem æternam dona
> > > > eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Absolve, Domine, animas
> > > > omnium fidelium defunctorum ab omno vinculo delictorum et gratia tua
> > > > illis succurente mereantur evadere iudicium ultionis, et lucis æterne
> > > > beatitudine perfrui. In paradisum deducant te Angeli; in tuo adventu
> > > > suscipiant te martyres, et perducant te in civitatem sanctam
> > > > Ierusalem. Chorus angelorum te suscipiat, et cum Lazaro quondam
> > > > paupere æternam habeas requiem. Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem.
> > > > Dona eis requiem sempiternam.
> > > >
> > > > Valete bene,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80709 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-12
Subject: Ludi Romani - A little latin ludi loo
Salvete Quirites

Welcome back to the Latin letter writing competition, a Little Latin Ludi-loo.

Today we have letter number 5.

The winner of this contest will be the one who writes the most appropriate letter for the situation set out each day. The salutations, (greeting and name, farewell and name) must be in Latin, and in a form that would be appropriate for the sender, the recipient, and the context. The words of the letter itself are in your own language.

The winner will be the one who writes the best letter and uses the most appropriate roman salutation and farewell closing. Probably there will be several winners, one for each question. The overall winner will be announced at the end of the Ludi.

So here we go with letter number 5. Get those writing materials ready. But remember that the paper or vellum is expensive, so do not write too much!

5. One close friend writes to another, saying that now the winter is coming they ought to start planning a trip abroad to avoid the bad weather. They are very good friends, and have often travelled together before.

You have until the end of the games to send your letter.

Please send your entry to me at

jbshr1pwa@...

*** DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE - REPLY ONLY TO ME ******

If you have problems reading my email address it is

jbshr1pwa at btinternet.com

Good luck, and I shall await your entries with interest.

Valete omnes

C Marcius Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80710 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-12
Subject: Pridie Eidus Septembris: The Lapis Manalis of Jupiter
M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quiritibus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos inculumes custodian.

Hodie est die pristine Eidus Septembres; haec dies nefastus est: Ludi Romani magni.

"When half of Arcturus is visible, and the swallows have departed, it is a portent of boisterous weather on land and sea for five days." ~ G. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.74


The Flamen Dialis and Armies Arrayed for Battle

"It is also unlawful for him to see the classes arrayed outside the poemerium, that is, the army arrayed in battle array; hence the priest of Jupiter is rarely made consul, since wars are entrusted to the consuls." ~ Gellius, Noctes Atticae 10.15.4


Ludi Magni Romani continue today in honor of Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva

"Jupiter, God Almighty, You are, as we are so taught, He who imparts counsel to swift wings, and You who fills birds with foreknowledge of the future, and brings to light the omens and causes that lurk within the heavens, - not Cirrha can more surely vouchsafe the inspiration of her grotto, nor those Chaonian leaves that are famed to rustle at your bidding, Jupiter Dodona, in Molossian groves, though arid Hammon envy, and the Lycian oracle of Apollo contend in rivalry, and the Apis bull of the Nile, and Branhus, whose honor in Miletus is equal to his father Apollo's, and Pan, whom the rustic neighbors hear nightly along the wave beaten shores of Pisa, beneath Lycainian shades. More enriched in mind is he, for whom You, O Dictaean Jupiter, announce Your will in the favoring flights of birds. Wondrous the reason, but once, long ago, this honour was given to the birds, whether from His heavenly hall the Creator Himself granted it, sowing into fertile fabric of Chaos the hidden Nature of new things; or whether birds first took flight on the winds after evolving from forms that were originally like our own; or because their flight to learn the truth takes them nearer to the purer poles of the sky, from where wickedness is banished, and rarely do they alight on the earth; all this, Highest Father of the Gods and of the earth, is already known by You. May You allow that, guided by the skies, we shall have foreknowledge." ~P. Papinius Statius, Thebaeid III.471-96).


The Lapis Manalis and Jupiter

"The Aquaelicium is when rain is elicited by certain ceremonies, as for example when the lapis manalis is brought into the City, according to tradition, its movement was followed by rain." ~ Festus, p. 2 Cp.128

The Lapis Manalis was kept near the Temple of Mars, outside the Porta Capena, from which it was rolled by the pontifices at the Aquaelicium into the City as a form of rain spell. It has been assumed, based on Petronius, that the matrones of the City followed while barefoot and that magistrates walked in procession without their toga praetexta (Satyricon 44). Livy recalls such a procession, but did not associate it with Jupiter or the Aquaelicium, and Petronius Arbiter was not writing about Rome. Posed also is that the Lapis Manalis belonged to the cultus of Jupiter Elicius, whose altar was located nearby on the Aventine (Varro, Lingua Latina 6.94). This views Varro's comment that "Jupiter Elicius on the Aventine is from elicere ('to lure forth')" explains the ritual as Aqua Elicium, "the water lured forth (from Jupiter)." Although a God associated with thunder and lighting, at Rome Jupiter does not appear as a rain-giver. The one exception is a line from Tibullus, speaking about Egypt where "the arid blade of grass does not pray to Jupiter Pluvius the Rain-Giver (1.7.26)." Jupiter Pluvius is the Latinized form of Samnite Diove Depulsor. Outside Rome Jupiter Pluvius appears on the Tavolo Agnone, in Samnite territory, as Jupiter Rector (Diove Regatur); that is "the Erect Irrigator (of Ceres)." Diove Flazius at Cumae was likewise a Sabellian God who brings fertilizing rains, rather than damaging storms like Jupiter Tonans or Jupiter Fulgor, and Jupoter Flazius was also associated with male fecindity as prayers were offered to Him on behalf of the young men (pru verriiad = pro iuventute). Varro conveys the same idea when he links together two lines from Ennius to say:

"That One is the Jupiter of whom I speak, whom the Grecians call Aer: who is the windy blast and cold, and afterwards the rain" and that He is "Father and Rex of both immortal Gods and mortal humans (Lingua Latina 5.65)."

We cannot state with certainty that the Aquaelicium and the lapis manalis invoked Jupiter, or indeed which Jupiter. However it is a reasonable conclusion to draw based on the Italic Diove. And this would seem to agree with the apparent primitiveness of the ritual in its use of sympathetic magic, by rolling the stone, to mimic the sounds of an approaching storm. The presence of the pontifices places the ritual squarely into the realm of the public religion and it is one of those rare instances that we see perhaps the roots of the religio Romana from behind the pomp and formalities generally associated with sacra publica, emerging from its Italic and Latin origin.


Augustus and Omens

"Certain auspices and omens he regarded as infallible. If his shoes were put on in the wrong way in the morning, the left instead of the right, he considered it a bad sign. If there chanced to be a drizzle of rain when he was starting on a long journey by land or sea, he thought it a good omen, betokening a speedy and prosperous return. But he was especially affected by prodigies. When a palm tree sprang up between the crevices of the pavement before his house, he transplanted it to the inner court beside his household Gods and took great pains to make it grow. He was so pleased that the branches of an old oak, which had already drooped to the ground and were withering, became vigorous again on his arrival in the island of Capreae, that he arranged with the city of Naples to give him the island in exchange for Aenaria. He also had regard to certain days, refusing ever to begin a journey on the day after a market day, or to take up any important business on the Nones; though in the latter case, as he writes Tiberius, he merely dreaded the unlucky sound of the name." ~ Suetonius, Augustus 92

The days of a Roman eight-day week are marked with the letters 'A' through 'H,' with a market day, or nundinum, falling on the last day. It was therefore the first day of the week, those designated by the letter 'A' that Augustus found improper to begin anything. The first day of the first week in any year, 1 January, begins this cycle of days. It is devoted to religious ceremonies for the beginning of the year. In the same way, to begin a journey or any other activity one first performs religious duties, of which it is not proper to do on a market day. Thus, it was not that 'A' days are to be considered unlucky, but that they should be devoted to the Gods.

The Nones also hold religious significance, like the kalends and ides of every month. It was on the nones of each month that the Collegium Augurum would meet, just as the Senate came to meet on the Ides of each month. The 'unlucky sound' that Augustus dreaded, as Cicero pointed out, was 'non eis' or 'He is no more.'


Today's thought is from Stobaeus, Pythagorean Sentences 54:

"The ancient theologists and priests testify that the soul is conjoined to the body through a certain punishment, and, that it is buried in this body as in a sepulchre."



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80711 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-12
Subject: Ludi Romani - A little latin ludi loo
Salvete Quirites

Welcome back to the Latin letter writing competition, a Little Latin Ludi-loo.



The opening salutation, and the closing farewell must be in latin.

The main message will be in your own language.

Now we have letter number 6.

6. Someone got involved in an argument at the baths, and the exchange was heated. Our writer regrets his temper, and writes to his antagonist (he only knows his name and nothing else about him) to present apologies and ask for forgiveness because he knows they will meet again.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80712 From: valeriuschlorus Date: 2010-09-12
Subject: Re: A Facebook clone for Nova Roma
Chloro Senecae S.P.D.

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Is there a friend search function? couldn't find it.

Bene Vale!
M. Valerius Chlorus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80713 From: C. Cocceius Spinula Date: 2010-09-12
Subject: Certamen Historicum - Day 7
Salve Scriptrix,

DAY 7 QUESTIONS

11) How did the Romans heat their Bathwater and rooms at the same time?


A: Throw clay pipes and small pillars in the walls, the hot air ascends and heats both air gaps created by the pipes and the forest of pillars, heating walls and floor. Plus the use of the testudo to more directly heat the water. Thus all combined, heated the bathwater and rooms.


12) What did the study of the gladiators wounds indicate?

A: That they survived terrible wounds on a regular basis.
(Made possible by their diet. A vegetarian fat based diet before matches on barley and beans)[on the next video]

Vale bene,
C. Cocceius Spinula

Provincia Hispania, Lusitania

Praefectus Regionis Lusitaniae

Senior Scriba Censoris TIS




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80714 From: C. Cocceius Spinula Date: 2010-09-12
Subject: Re: Certamen Historicum - Day 7
Salvete Scriptrix et omnes,

Opps...

Sorry....

Valete bene,
C. Cocceius Spinula

Provincia Hispania, Lusitania

Praefectus Regionis Lusitaniae

Senior Scriba Censoris TIS

--- C. Cocceius Spinula wrote:


Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 6:34 PM







 









Salve Scriptrix,



DAY 7 QUESTIONS



11) How did the Romans heat their Bathwater and rooms at the same time?



A: (....)



12) What did the study of the gladiators wounds indicate?



A: (....)



Vale bene,

C. Cocceius Spinula



Provincia Hispania, Lusitania



Praefectus Regionis Lusitaniae



Senior Scriba Censoris TIS



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80715 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-13
Subject: IDUS SEPTEMBRIS: The Capitolium
M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quiritibus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Deos Deaeque ego omnis ut fortunas sint precor

Hodie est Eidus Septembres; haec dies nefastus piaculum est: feriae Iovi Optimi Maximi; Iovi epulum; feriae ex senatus consulto quod eo die nefaria consilia quae de salute Tiberi Caesaris liberorumque eius et aliorum principum civitatis deque re publica inita ab M. Libone erant in senatu convicta sunt. Ex pristino sidere nonnumquam tempestatem significat.

AUC 168 / 585 BCE: Rex L. Tarquinius Priscus, son of Damaratus, celebrated a triumph this day foe his victory over the Sabines

THE CAPITOLIUM

"O Father Jupiter who inhabits the Tarpeian Heights as His chosen abode next to the heavens, and You Juno, Daughter of Saturnus, and You, divine Virgin, whose gentle breast is harshly girt with the aegis of the terrible Gorgon, and all You Gods and Indigites of Italy, hear me as I swear by Your divine powers." ~ Ti. Catius Asconius Sillius Italicus, Punica 10.432-36).

Vow to Construct the Capitolium

"The temple of Jupiter Capitolinus had been vowed by Tarquin, the son of Demaratus, when he was at war with the Sabines, but it was actually built by Tarquinius Superbus, the son, or grandson, of him who vowed it. He did not, however, get so far as to consecrate it, but was driven out before it was quite completed." ~ Plutarch, Life of Poplicola 14

"After the acquisition of Gabii, Tarquin made peace with the Aequi and renewed the treaty with the Etruscans. Then he turned his attention to the business of the City. The first thing was the temple of Jupiter on the Tarpeian Mount, which he was anxious to leave behind as a memorial of his reign and name; both the Tarquins were concerned in it, the father had vowed it, the son completed it. That the whole of the area which the temple of Jupiter was to occupy might be wholly devoted to that deity, he decided to deconsecrate the fanes and chapels, some of which had been originally vowed by King Tatius at the crisis of his battle with Romulus, and subsequently consecrated and inaugurated. Tradition records that at the commencement of this work the Gods sent a divine intimation of the future vastness of the empire, for whilst the omens were favourable for the deconsecration of all the other shrines, they were unfavourable for that of the fanum of Terminus. This was interpreted to mean that as the abode of Terminus was not moved and He alone of all the deities was not called forth from His consecrated borders, so all would be firm and immovable in the future empire. This augury of lasting dominion was followed by a prodigy which portended the greatness of the empire. It is said that whilst they were digging the foundations of the temple, a human head came to light with the face perfect; this appearance unmistakably portended that the spot would be the stronghold of empire and the head of allthe world. This was the interpretation given by the soothsayers in the City, as well as by those who had been called into council from Etruria. The king's designs were now much more extensive; so much so that his share of the spoils of Pometia, which had been set apart to complete the work, now hardly met the cost of the foundations. This makes me inclined to trust Fabius (Pictor) - who, moreover is the older authority - when he says that the amount was only forty talents, rather than Piso, who states that forty thousand pounds of silver were set apart for that object. For not only is such a sum more than could be expected from the spoils of any single city at that time, but it would more than suffice for the foundations of the most magnificent building of the present day." ~ Titus Livius 1.55

The head discovered on the site was said to be that of the Etruscan Olus Vulcentanus; that is, Aulus Vibenna, the brother of Caelius Vibenna. At Vulci a tomb painting shows the Vibenna brothers and their comrads captured by their foes, among which is Cneve Tarchunies Rumach, or Ganeus Tarquinius of Rome. Mastarna (who was identified with Servius Tullius) entered the camp, freed the Vibenna brothers and others, and then slayed their captors. The Caelian hill was said to have been named after Caelius Vibenna, and settled by his soldiers after his death. In one story Aulus Vibenna was said to have been executed for some crime by a slave of his bother Caelius. In another story, he was said to have died shortly before this time during the war to restore the Tarquinii at Rome.

AUC 246 / 507 BCE: Dedication of the Capitolium

"The temple of Jupiter Capitolinus had been vowed by Tarquin, the son of Demaratus, when he was at war with the Sabines, but it was actually built by Tarquinius Superbus, the son, or grandson, of him who vowed it. He did not, however, get so far as to consecrate it, but was driven out before it was quite completed. Accordingly, now that it was completely finished and had received all the ornaments that belonged to it, Publicola was ambitious to consecrate it. But this excited the jealousy of many of the nobility. They could better brook his other honours, to which, as legislator and military commander, he had a rightful claim. But this one they thought he ought not to have, since it was more appropriate for others, and therefore they encouraged and incited Horatius to claim the privilege of consecrating the temple. At a time, then, when Publicola was necessarily absent on military service, they got a vote passed that Horatius should perform the consecration, and conducted him up to the Capitol, feeling that they could not have gained their point had Publicola been in the city. Some, however, say that Publicola was designated by lot, against his inclination, for the expedition, and Horatius for the consecration. And it is possible to infer how the matter stood between them from what happened at the consecration. It was the Ides of September, a day which nearly coincides with the full moon of the Attic month Metageitnion; the people were all assembled on the Capitol, silence had been proclaimed, and Horatius, after performing the other ceremonies and laying hold upon the door of the temple, as the custom is, was pronouncing the usual words of consecration. But just then Marcus, the brother of Publicola, who had long been standing by the door and was watching his opportunity, said: 'O Consul, thy son lies dead of sickness in the camp.' This distressed all who heard it; but Horatius, not at all disturbed, merely said: 'Cast forth the dead then whither ye please, for I take no mourning upon me,' and finished his consecration. Now the announcement was not true, but Marcus thought by his falsehood to deter Horatius from his duty. Wonderful, therefore, was the firm poise of the man, whether he at once saw through the deceit, or believed the story without letting it overcome him." ~ Plutarch, Life of Poplicola 14

"The temple of Jupiter on the Capitol had not yet been dedicated, and the consuls drew lots to decide which should dedicate it. The lot fell to Horatius. Publicola set out for the Veientine war. His friends showed unseemly annoyance at the dedication of so illustrious a fane being assigned to Horatius, and tried every means of preventing it. When all else failed, they tried to alarm the consul, whilst he was actually holding the door-post during the dedicatory prayer, by a wicked message that his son was dead, and he could not dedicate a temple while death was in his house. As to whether he disbelieved the message, or whether his conduct simply showed extraordinary self-control, there is no definite tradition, and it is not easy to decide from the records. He only allowed the message to interrupt him so far that he gave orders for the body to be burnt; then, with his hand still on the door-post, he finished the prayer and dedicated the temple." ~ Titus Livius 2.8.6-8


AUC 391 / 362 BCE: The Hammering of the Nail Ceremony

"C. Genucius and L. Aemilius Mamercus were the new consuls, each for the second time. The fruitless search for effective means of propitiation was affecting the minds of the people more than disease was affecting their bodies. It is said to have been discovered that the older men remembered that a pestilence had once been assuaged by the Dictator driving in a nail. The senate believed this to be a religious obligation, and ordered a Dictator to be nominated for that purpose. L. Manlius Imperiosus was nominated, and he appointed L. Pinarius as his Master of the Horse. There is an ancient instruction written in archaic letters which runs: Let him who is the praetor maximus fasten a nail on the Ides of September. This notice was fastened up on the right side of the temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus, next to the chapel of Minerva. This nail is said to have marked the number of the year - written records being scarce in those days - and was for that reason placed under the protection of Minerva because She was the inventor of numbers. Cincius, a careful student of monuments of this kind, asserts that at Volsinii also nails were fastened in the temple of Nortia, an Etruscan Goddess, to indicate the number of the year. It was in accordance with this direction that the consul Marcus Horatius dedicated the Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus in the year following the expulsion of the kings; from the consuls the ceremony of fastening the nails passed to the Dictators, because they possessed greater authority." ~ Titus Livius 7.3

AUC 509: The Capitoline Chariot

"When Tarquin was still king, and had all but completed the temple of Jupiter Capitolinus, either in consequence of an oracle, or else of his own good pleasure, he commissioned certain Tuscan craftsmen of Veii to place upon its roof a chariot of terra cotta. 2 The Tuscans, however, modelled the chariot and put it in a furnace for firing, but the clay did not contract and shrink in the fire, as it usually does, when its moisture evaporates. Instead of this, it expanded and swelled and took on such size, strength, and hardness, that it could with difficulty be removed, even after the roof of the furnace had been taken off and its sides torn away. 3 To the seers, accordingly, this seemed a divine portent of prosperity and power for those who should possess the chariot, and the p537people of Veii determined not to give it up. When the Romans asked for it, they were told that it belonged to the Tarquins, not to those who had expelled the Tarquins. But a few days afterwards there were chariot races at Veii. Here the usual exciting spectacles were witnessed, but when the charioteer, with his garland on his head, was quietly driving his victorious chariot out of the race-course, 4 his horses took a sudden fright, upon no apparent occasion, but either by some divine ordering or by merest chance, and dashed off at the top of their speed towards Rome, charioteer and all. It was of no use for him to rein them in or try to calm them with his voice; he was whirled helplessly along until they reached the Capitol and threw him out there, at the gate now called Ratumena. The Veientines were amazed and terrified at this occurrence, and permitted the workmen to deliver their chariot." ~ Plutarch, Life of Poplicola 13

AUC 196 BCE: Tresviri Epulones

"This year for the first time three epulones were appointed, namely C. Licinius Lucullus, one of the tribunes of the plebs who had got the law passed under which they were appointed, and with him P. Manlius and P. Portius Laeca. They were allowed by law to wear the toga praetexta like the priests." ~ Titus Livius 33.42

Uncertain is whether the epulum Iovis originally took place in conjunction with the Ludi Romani of September or with the Ludi Plebi of November. There is no mention of the epulum Iovis on this day in Livy or earlier. It is found later in imperial calendars, but not before. However, dating to the Republican era, an epulum Minervae is found on rustic calendars for this day. On this occasion, "at the epulum Iovis He Himself was invited to dine on a couch, while Juno and Minerva had chairs, a form of austerity which our age is more careful to retain on the Capitol than in its houses (Valerius Maximus 2.1.2)." On this occaision, too, "It was the custom upon festivals to colour the face of the statue of Jupiter even with (cinnabar) minium [Pliny H. N. 33.36 (111)]." The salient feature of the epulum Iovis, unlike in a lectisternium, was the presence of the temple images of Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva seated amongst the members of the Senate at a feast.

On one memorable occasion two fierce rivals, Publius Scipio Africanus and Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus, attended the epulum Iovis. As chance would have it, they were seated next to one another. "And as if the immortal Gods, acting as arbiters at the feast of Jupiter Optimus Maximus, had joined their hands, they became the best of friends. And not only did friendship spring up between them but at the same time their families were united by a marriage (Gellius, N. A. 12.8.1-4)." Livy gives us more behind this tale.

"The story goes that when Gracchus saw that L. Scipio was on the point of being carried off to prison and that none of his fellow-tribunes interfered on his behalf, he swore that though his enmity towards the Scipios was as strong as ever, and he would do nothing to win his favour, yet he would not look on whilst the brother of Africanus was being taken to a dungeon into which he had seen Africanus himself taking kings and commanders. The senate happened to be dining that day in the Capitol, and rising in a body they begged Scipio to betroth his daughter to Gracchus there and then. The betrothal having been formally completed in the presence of the whole gathering, Scipio went home. On meeting his wife, he told her that he had betrothed their youngest daughter (Cornelia). She was naturally hurt and indignant at not having been consulted in the disposal of their child, and observed that even if he were giving her to Tiberius Gracchus, her mother ought to have had a voice in the matter. Scipio was delighted to find that they were of one accord, and told her that it was to that man that she was betrothed. It is right that in the case of so great a man the various opinions and the different historical statements as to these details should be noted." ~ Titus Livius 38.57


AUC 819 / 66 CE: The Cultus on the Capitolium

"Jupiter has a special attendant to announce when visitors call and another to tell Him the hour of the day; one to wash Him and another to oil Him, who in fact only mimes the movements with his hands. Juno and Minerva have special women hairdressers, who operate at some distance away, not just from the statue, but from the temple; they move their fingers in the style of hairdressers, while others again hold up mirrors. You find some people who are praying to the Gods to put up bail for them, and others again who are handing over their writs and expounding on the lawsuits they are involved. There use to be an old, decrepit but very experienced pantomime artist who put on his act every day on the Capitol as if the Gods were enjoying the show, now abandoned by a human audience. Meanwhile craftsmen of every trade stand around waiting for work on behalf of the immortal Gods. Soon afterwards Seneca adds: at least the services they offer are not indecent or dishonorable, however unnecessary. But there are some women who hang around on the Capitol because they believe that Jupiter is in love with them, totally undeterred by fear of Juno's anger and jealousy." ~ L. Annaeus Seneca in Augustinus of Hippo, City of God 6.10


AUC 834 / 81 CE: Death of Titus

As he lay on his death bed the Emperor Titus Flavius allayed the distress of those attending him by saying, "Friends, I have lost a day (Suetonius Titus 8.1)."


Our thought for today is from Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Epistle 19:

"If possible, withdraw yourself from all the business of which you speak; and if you cannot do this, tear yourself away."



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80716 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-13
Subject: Re: Ludi Romani - A little latin ludi loo - Final challenge
Salvete Quirites

Welcome back to the Latin letter writing competition, a Little Latin Ludi-loo.



You have to write a letter using the situation described below as the subject matter. The opening salutation, and the closing farewell must be in latin. The main message will be in your own language.

Now we have letter number 7, the final challenge.

7. A humble scribe writes to the teacher who has been very kind in teaching his son at a favourable price. He does not want to show the teacher (who is a very good Latinist) that his son comes from very humble origins, so makes a real effort in his letter, especially with the salutation so that it starts and ends by making a good impression.

You have until the end of the games to send your answer.

Please send your solution to me at:

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C Marcius Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80717 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-09-13
Subject: My Roman fashion show in Plovdiv
Salvete omnes,
someone put up a video of the Roman fashion show I made at the festival of
Roman reemactment at Plovdiv, Bulgaria, this June.

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XEmdWCu7wY

A. Vitellius Celsus was translating into Bulgarian what I said, so you can
only hear Bulgarian audio. I showed how to wrap a pallium, a republican
toga, an imperial toga. Then you see me showing a tunica and wrapping a
palla, and finally showing the Roman bikini, based on the Piazza Armerina
mosaics.

Optime valete,
L. Livia Plauta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80718 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-09-13
Subject: Re: My Roman fashion show in Plovdiv
Salve, Plauta!

That is a great video! I really enjoyed it and it helped me get a handle on my
own toga wrapping. I always think mine doesn't look right but I think maybe I'm
too critical as I realized mine hangs very much like the ones in the video you
were wrapping.

Thank you very much for putting that up!

Vale,

Gaius Octavius Priscus




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From: L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 4:07:03 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] My Roman fashion show in Plovdiv


Salvete omnes,
someone put up a video of the Roman fashion show I made at the festival of
Roman reemactment at Plovdiv, Bulgaria, this June.

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XEmdWCu7wY

A. Vitellius Celsus was translating into Bulgarian what I said, so you can
only hear Bulgarian audio. I showed how to wrap a pallium, a republican
toga, an imperial toga. Then you see me showing a tunica and wrapping a
palla, and finally showing the Roman bikini, based on the Piazza Armerina
mosaics.

Optime valete,
L. Livia Plauta







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80719 From: mcorvvs Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: Sarmatian (Ukrainian) taxes
Salvete omnes,

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funding@...
Business Contact Information

Customer Service URL: http://novaroma.org/
Customer Service Email: dbboyle@...
Customer Service Phone: 860-887-7609 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting
860-887-7609 end_of_the_skype_highlighting

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Amount sent:
-$6.30 USD
Fee amount:
-$0.55 USD
Net amount:
-$6.85 USD (equals -55.76 UAH)


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Conversion from:
-56.96 UAH
Conversion to:
$6.85 USD
Exchange rate:
1 Ukrainian Hryvnia = 0.120259 U.S. Dollars

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Date:
Apr 21, 2010
Time:
17:28:43 GMT+03:00
Status:
Completed

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Subject:
Taxes. Sarmatia prov. 9 citizens
Note:
Sarmatian assidui:
1.Marcus Octavius Corvus
2.Appius Furius Lupus
3.Decimus Iulius Albus
4.Titus Iunius Brutus
5.Marcus Octavius Nero
6.Numerius Arrius Pictor
7.Titus Gratius Triarius
8.Quintus Furius Buteo
9.Appia Flavia Gemella
Tax rate: $1,4 $1,4x9=$12,6 - half is retained by provincial Governor
Funding Type:
Credit Card
Funding Source:
56.96 UAH - Visa Card XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-2919

This transaction will appear on your bill as "PAYPAL *NOVA ROMA".

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THERE ARE 9 ASSIDUI FROM UKRAINE

Valete bene,

CORVVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80720 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: LVDI ROMANI 2763 AVC FOVRTH QVARTERFINAL
EX OFFICIO AEDILIS P. ANNAEI L. IVLIAE

LVDI ROMANI 2763 AVC FOVRTH QVARTERFINAL

This day of the Ludi, 11Sept2010 is dedicated to MARS.

After the Pompa, on a day of clear blue skies and as magnificent as the days before, the ritual to Mars commences.

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Sacrum Marti

SALUTATIO

"Hail Father Mars and hail You immortal Gods ! Come, come (Gods), take in this ceremony, and protect it!

PRAECATIO

"Father Mars, guardian of our success, even as You led the legions of our forefathers to bring Romanitas to the ancient world, lead us that we may spread the benefits of Romanitas yet further. I beseech You that You rightly guide us in our actions and take into Your holy embrace Your sons and daughters of Nova Roma. I beseech You that with Salus and Concordia You heal our conflicts, unite us in a common purpose, and with victorious success increase the dignity of Nova Roma."

SACRIFICATIO

Father Mars, to You deservedly I give thanks. Mars Gravidus, look down and preserve us! I do beseech you by your good genius, come forth (down to us)! No longer keep us in suspense! Father Mars, we come before You this day with open hearts, pure and chaste. By these offerings we seek to honor You. May You hear us, O Mars, and may You honor us this day with your presence. As You have so often (before), so (now) accept (these) offerings and bless our community.
Father Mars, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers, so that You may be propitious to me to our sacerdotes, to the Senate and to the People of Nova Roma. Father Mars, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine. Accept (our) libations and send upon us Your kind thoughts. May You grant Nova Roma concord and a richness of life!
"Father Mars, may You be strengthened by this libation, may You be honored by this wine. In You, dearest Father, in Your hands do we place our safekeeping."

LITATIO

Mars Gravidus, to You I give thanks. Father, while offering incense to You virtuous prayers were prayed well, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine.

PERLITATIO

"No more, Gods on High, do I ask of You today; it is enough."
"Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you and wish you happiness in all that is good."
"May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious."

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IVLIA: Quirites, Socii, Peregrinisque welcome to the continuation of the Ludi Circenses, this is your commentator L Julia Aquila. With me is V. Herminius Aquilinus who is most well known as the Charioteer Vitus who has returned to Rome after many years in Liguria to race for the first time for the Albatae and who has been graciously treating us to his commentary on the races.
Today we have a very special race for the Fourth Quarterfinal. There are only two chariots in this race but they are both formidable. The wildly popular Stolo, *the crowd booms with support* last year's winner driving Incitatus for the Venetae and owned by esteemed Tribune C. Petronius Dexter is pitted against C. Maria Caeca's Procella Nivosa driven by Arienrhod for the Albatae!

Many Thanks go to the Cornelii for the wonderful and well tended buffet in the commentators' box and also for providing the feasts and refreshments for today's special quarterfinal!

*white "snow" seems to issue from the cheering and the sky is awash in white and blue confetti, Maria's supporters surround her and keep her glass with filled with Falerian, Hermannus by her side, while Petronius assisted by Aiofe tends to his interests and maintains a post close to the track as his charioteer Stolo makes sure all is well. Petronius' excitement is very evident even though he has been quiet this Ludi*

The trumpets sound the signal, Placidus drops the mappa to the ground; the ostia are sprung!

Missi sunt currus!

They're off!


VITVS: Out of the gate Stolo guides the Incitatus into a steady trot apparently not being overly concerned that the Procella Nivosa guided by Arienrhod is passing him, but also at a steady pace. It is important to note that these horses, even when going their fastest are actually trotting and not galloping which is difficult, if not dangerous, in yoke and harness. This kind of trotting, racing trotting, can be just as fast and is a sign of a well trained hot blood.
Before the Procella Nivosa can get ahead the Incitatus maneuvers into first place as they race down the stretch before the second lap.
The dolphin turns into the second and Arienrhod is amidst a red cloud of sand and pounding hooves, she is reaching into her waist sash and throws something towards Stolo!
A blade is sticking out of his forearm!
Without slowing his pace he pulls it out and tosses it to the side, not even glancing back at her, a spray of blood washing over him. The steeds of the Procella Nivosa are quite lathered as she presses them harder to catch up with the Incitatus who is not maintaining a steady pace as the third dolphin turns.
Arienrhod has caught up with Incitatus midway in the first stretch of the third lap, she violently pushes him close to the spina – oh by the Gods there is an overturned sausage cart in the way!
Stolo's steeds jump the cart and the Incitatus flies over it tipping forwards and knocking Stolo over the front-piece!
*loud collective gasp from the crowd*
Stolo is holding on but he if he falls at that speed he will be trampled by the hind quarters of his horses and run over by the chariot!
He recovers using all his strength!
Stolo has pulled himself back over the chariot! His well trained steeds have astonishingly maintained pace and position close to the spina!
The fourth dolphin is turned; the Incitatus is on the heels of the Procella Nivosa and is leaving the inside to pass her!
She gives him a derogatory hand movement and he smiles a chilling smile as he pulls up next to her and swings the Incitatus into the Procella Nivosa sandwiching it between him and the spina. A wheel of Procella Nivosa lifts on a small rise while the Incitatus thunders away with ease leaving the other chariot dangerously tipping into the center.
OOOOOHHHH and the Procella Nivosa is down!
Her right wheel has tipped and splintered into pieces!
Arienrhod has rolled to the ground and is lying very still!
Stolo, driving Incitatus as if he is being chased by hellhounds is racing towards the finish as his fans go crazy!
He is awash in an ocean of blue matter issuing from every corner of the Circus!
INCITATUS DRVEN BY STOLO FOR THE ALBATAE OWNED BY TRIBUNE C. PETRONIUS DEXTER GOES TO THE SEMI-FINALS!!!!!!!!!!

*The crowds begin to stomp and cheer in deafening continuous waves, clouds of blue confetti and blue flowers shower down from the highest bleachers, the big screen is nearly obliterated in a sea of blue*

This has been some race today omnes! We just had word that Arienrhod is battered and may have a few broken bones but she will recover. Her husband Hermannus and her owner C. Maria Caeca are by her side. The hot-walkers are busy ministering to and walking the overtaxed steeds of the Procella Nivosa to prevent shock and pneumonia.

Congratulations to C. Petronius Dexter! And to Stolo and the quadrigae of the Incitatus! There is a joyous celebration going on by the gates and there will be many feasts tonight in anticipation for the semi-finals.

JVLIA: This has been an exciting and terrifying race cives and peregrines! But there is more to come!
The line up for the first semifinals are in post position the Drunas driven by Nervia for the Albatae owned by Consul Albucius, then Tempestas Noctis driven by Nicodemus the Thracian for the Venetae owned by Statia Cornelia Æternia then Luxogenes driven by Eporicus for the Albatae and Fulminata driven by Lucius Furius owned by A. Vitellius Celsus for the Venetae.
For the second semifinal in post position is Ventrus Albus driven by the flaxen haired Hermannus for the Albatae owned by C. Maria Caeca, Vita Brevis driven by Aiofe of the Silures for the Albatae on loan to Iulia Aquila, me, by Cn. Equitius Marinus and Incitatus driven by Stolo for the Venetae owned by C. Petronius Dexter.

VITVS: The Circus will be closing early today to prepare for the semifinals but the forums, the marketplace and the main streets will be ready to receive you, you guests and citizens of Rome! The Horatii are providing the feast and refreshments until dark! Be safe and see you at the semi-finals where anything is possible! Feasting and endless refreshments at the semi-finals will be provided by my kin, the Herminii!
*he turns to Julia, his azure eyes twinkling*
Domina, are you ready to party meum corculum?

JVLIA: *teases Vitus* Sane, meum delicium! But first we must stop in the carceres so I can examine Arienrhod and prescribe unguents and herbs – also to make sure her bones are set properly, there has been a lot of drinking today.
*makes a salutation to the masses*
Omnes, see you at the races!


(•Apologies to all for being a behind on writing up the Ludi commentaries•)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80721 From: mcorvvs Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: Re: Ides ritual performed by Sacerdos Iovis M.Octavius Corvus
Salvete omnes,

At Ides Sept. I, M.Octavius Corvus on behalf of People of Nova Roma performed Ides ritual for IOM on September 13, Ap. Furius Lupus assisted me.

The rite:

PRAEFATIO:
"IUPPITER OPTIME MAXIME, UTI TIBI IN ILLEIS LIBREIS SCRIPTUM EST,
QUARUMQUE RERUM ERGO, QUODQUE MELIUS SIET POPULO NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS,
TIBI HOC SACRUM FIAT: TE QUAESO PRECORQUE, UTI IMPERIUM MAIESTATEMQUE
POPULI NOVI ROMANI QUIRITIUM AUXIS, UTIQUE INCOLUMITATEM SEMPITERNAMQUE
VICTORIAM VALETUDINEMQUE POPULO NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS DES, FAVEASQUE
POPULO NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS, REMQUE PUBLICAM LIBERAM POPULI NOVI ROMANI
QUIRITIUM SALVAM SERVES, MAIOREMQUE FACIAS, UTI SIS VOLENS PROPITIUS POPULO
NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS, SENATUI NOVO ROMANO, SACERDOTIBUS POPULI NOVI
ROMANI, NOBIS, DOMIBUS, FAMILIIS, ET UTI HUIUS SACRIFICI ACCEPTOR SIES;
HARUM RERUM ERGO MACTE ESTO FITO VOLENS PROPITIUS POPULO NOVO ROMANO
QUIRITIBUS, SENATUI NOVO ROMANO, SACERDOTIBUS NOVIS ROMANIS, NOBIS,
DOMIBUS, FAMILIIS."

PRECATIO:
"IUPPITER, QUO CIRCA TE, CAPITOLINE, QUEM PROPTER BENEFICIA POPULUS
ROMANUS OPTIMUM, PROPTER VIM MAXIMUM NOMINAVIT! IUPPITER, QUI GENUS COLIS
ALISQUE HOMINEM, PER QUEM VIVIMUS VITALEM AEVOM, QUEM PENES SPES VITAE SUNT
HOMINUM OMNIUM, DA DIEM HUNC SOSPITEM QUAESO MEIS REBUS AGUNDIS!"
"PATER NOSTER, IN TUA, PATER CARISSIME, IN TUA SUMUS CUSTODIA. IUPPITER,
TE HOC TURE OMMOVENDO BONAS PRECES PRAECOR, UTI SIS VOLENS PROPITIUS NOBIS
LIBERISQUE NOSTRIS, DOMIBUS FAMILIISQUE NOSTRIS."

- Some INCENCE put into the fire -

SACRIFICIUM:
"IUPPITER, TE HOC LIBO OBMOVENDO BONAS PRECES PRECOR, UTI SIS VOLENS
PROPITIUS NOBIS LIBERISQUE NOSTRIS, DOMIBUS FAMILIISQUE NOSTRIS, MACTUS HOC
FERTO."

- LIBUM -

"IOVIS PATER, UTI TE LIBO OBMOVENDO BONAS PRECES BENE PRECATUS SUM,
EIUSDEM REI ERGO MACTE VINO INFERIO ESTO."

- WINE -
"IUPPITER OPTIME MAXIME, REX DEORUM, QUI RES PUBLICAS NOVAS ROMANAS NUNC
CUSTODIS DEFENDISQUE, SICUT RES PUBLICAS MAIORUM NOSTRORUM ROMANORUM
CUSTODIVISTI DEFENDISTIQUE, TIBI FIERI OPORTET IN HOC TEMPORE INITII
CULIGNAM VINI DAPI, EIUS REI ERGO HAC ILLACE DAPE PULLUCENDA ESTO."

- WINE -

ILICET. DI IMMORTALES FACIANT, TAM FELIX QUAM PIA.

Rite was performed before the altar of Iuppiter.
Sacrifice was: incense, libum, wine. Right after the sacrifice two sparrows flew from right to left, giving us a good sign.

Valete bene,

CORVVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80722 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: Re: My Roman fashion show in Plovdiv
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
> someone put up a video of the Roman fashion show I made at the festival of
> Roman reemactment at Plovdiv, Bulgaria, this June.
>
> Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XEmdWCu7wY
>
> A. Vitellius Celsus was translating into Bulgarian what I said, so you can
> only hear Bulgarian audio. I showed how to wrap a pallium, a republican
> toga, an imperial toga. Then you see me showing a tunica and wrapping a
> palla, and finally showing the Roman bikini, based on the Piazza Armerina
> mosaics.
>
> ATS: I would like to see this, though videos take forever to download on
> my system. However, this one is not playing nice, and all that appears is a
> blank black screen...no clock-like gadget indicating loading, no pictures,
> nada.
>
> BTW: It seems that Yahoo is missing some messages again...
>
> Optime valete,
> L. Livia Plauta
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80723 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: RE: Sarmatian FEES 2010 - Situation on 14 sept. 2010‏
Salve Corve,



Well received and thanks for this precise answer!

As you sent our Forum and Gov. list a copy of your answer to my private letter, you will see no problem, I think that I reply your letter in the same forms.

It is clear for the 9 names, thanks.

Now we have still a last problem, formed by two elements :


1/ in fact, the annual fee for Ukraine citizens is not of 1.40 usd, but 1.00 usd. This plays in your favor ;


2/ you may not, this year, retain � of the fees for your provincial budget for, unfortunately, you did not, as governor, request it to the Senate before the vote of our annual budget on March 29, 2010. So this retained � tax is still due.


(see attached below the SC an taxation deciding that)


So ! Here is the situation :




due : 9 x 1 usd = 9 usd ;

paid : 9 x 0.70 usd = 6.3 usd ;

still due to NR Inc. : 9 � 6.3 = 2.70 usd


Sorry bothering you for 2.70 usd, but you know that � dura lex, sed lex ! � :-(


I remain at your disposal.


Vale Governor,




Albucius cos.




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To consult the SC on taxation, open the following address:


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SenatusRomanus/files/2763%20auc%20%282010%29%20March%20session/


then click on � Item XVI � � Item 16 � Annual taxation �


Article 2 � The first sentence of the paragraph V of SC on taxation, such as modified by the SC 2755 on the annual membership fee rate adjustment, is replaced by the following provisions:
�V. Governors may require from the Senate the authorization to collect the considered annual tax from the citizens of their province. This request will be sent at any time to the consulate so that the Senate may issue such an authorization no later than the vote of the annual budget and in due coherence with it. Such request shall provide the following: �
__________________________________________________________________________




> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 23:30:04 -0600
> From: corvvs@...
> To: albucius_aoe@...
> CC: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com; novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com; conventvs_gvbernatorvm@yahoogroups.com; christer.edling@...; iulia_arria@...; cn_corn_lent@...; spqr753@...; adjutant42@...; marminius@...
> Subject: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] NR Inc. paid FEES 2010 - UPDATED list of 9 sept. 2010�
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> all Sarmatian taxpayers have paid their taxes through Ap. Furius Lupus.
> Here are the details:
>
> Transaction Details
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID #1RV*******)
>
>
> Original Transaction
> Date Type Status Details Amount
> Apr 21, 2010 Payment For Nova Roma Completed ... -$6.30 USD
>
>
> Related Transactions
> Date Type Status Details Amount
> Apr 21, 2010 Charge From Credit Card Completed Details 56.96 UAH
> Apr 21, 2010 Currency Conversion Completed Details -56.96 UAH
> Apr 21, 2010 Currency Conversion Completed Details $6.85 USD
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Business Name:
> Nova Roma
> Email:
> onlineera@...
> Payment Sent to:
>
> funding@...
> Business Contact Information
>
> Customer Service URL: http://novaroma.org/
> Customer Service Email: dbboyle@...
> Customer Service Phone: 860-887-7609 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting
> 860-887-7609 end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Amount sent:
> -$6.30 USD
> Fee amount:
> -$0.55 USD
> Net amount:
> -$6.85 USD (equals -55.76 UAH)
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Conversion from:
> -56.96 UAH
> Conversion to:
> $6.85 USD
> Exchange rate:
> 1 Ukrainian Hryvnia = 0.120259 U.S. Dollars
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Date:
> Apr 21, 2010
> Time:
> 17:28:43 GMT+03:00
> Status:
> Completed
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Subject:
> Taxes. Sarmatia prov. 9 citizens
> Note:
> Sarmatian assidui:
> 1.Marcus Octavius Corvus
> 2.Appius Furius Lupus
> 3.Decimus Iulius Albus
> 4.Titus Iunius Brutus
> 5.Marcus Octavius Nero
> 6.Numerius Arrius Pictor
> 7.Titus Gratius Triarius
> 8.Quintus Furius Buteo
> 9.Appia Flavia Gemella
> Tax rate: $1,4 $1,4x9=$12,6 - half is retained by provincial Governor
> Funding Type:
> Credit Card
> Funding Source:
> 56.96 UAH - Visa Card XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-2919
>
> This transaction will appear on your bill as "PAYPAL *NOVA ROMA".
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> THERE ARE 9 ASSIDUI FROM UKRAINE
>
> Valete bene,
>
> CORVVS


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80724 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: a. d. XVIII Kalendas Octobris: Equorum Probatio
M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Castor et Castoris virtutem in nos addat.

Hodie est ante diem XIIX Kalendas Octobres; haec dies fastus aterque est: Castori et Pollucis; equorum probatio.

The Equorum Probatio

The Ludi Romani Magni originally only fell on the Ides of September. Over time, as the celebration became more elaborate the games expanded over several days on either side of the Ides. The Epulum Iovis was a plebeian addition. Another later addition was the procession of the Equites equo publico. That is, the special class of citizens, only 300 in number, who were provided with a horse at public expense. According to one account, their procession began soon after the Battle of Lake Regillus (Dionysius of Halicarnassus 6.13.4). Another story told how censor Q. Fabius introduced the Equites probatio originally on the Ides of July (Livy 9.46; Valerius Maximus 2.2.9). The Equites equo publico wore the distinctive trabeati equites – a short purple toga, as well as the tunica with narrow purple stripes (angusti clavi), the special equestrian shoes (calci) and gold rings. In purple and gold they mounted white horses, parading from the Campus Martius, stopping at the Temple of Casto and Pollux to offer sacrifices to their patron deities, before continuing on to the Capitolium to sacrifice to Jupiter Optimus Maximus.


AUC 964 / c. 211 CE: Birth of the future child emporor, if only briefly, M. Opellius Antoninus Diadumenianus Caesar

"On the day of his birth, his father, who then chanced to be steward of the greater treasury, was inspecting the purple robes, and those which he approved as being brighter in hue he ordered to be carried into a certain chamber, in which two hours later Diadumenianus was born Furthermore, whereas it usually happens that children at birth are provided by nature with a caul, which the midwives seize and sell to credulous lawyers (for it is said that this bring luck to those who plead), this child, instead of a caul, had a narrow band like a diadem, so strong that it could not be broken, for the fibres were entwined in the manner of a bow-string. The child, they say, was accordingly called Diadematus, but when he grew older, he was called Diadumenianus from the name of his mother's father, though the name differed little from his former appellation Diadematus. Also they say that twelve purple sheep were born on his father's estate and of these only one had spots upon it. 6 And it is well known, besides, that on the very day of his birth an eagle brought to him generally a tiny royal ring-dove, and, after placing it in his cradle as he slept, flew away without doing him harm. Moreover, birds called pantagath i(birds of good omen) built a nest in his father's house." ~ Historia Augusta, Diadumenianus 4


Flamen Dialis Proscribed from Wearing Rings

"Likewise to wear a ring,unless it be perforated and without a gem." ~ Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae 10.15.6

This prohibition, like those against knots and chains, was intended to prevent charms from being worked upon the flamen Dialis. The mention of rings set with stones again shows that these prohibitions came late. The stones often had magical inscriptions, and healing herbs were placed in the ring's setting beneath the stone. Such rings were introduced from the Hellenistic East along with other medical practices. The first Greek doctor to come to Rome was Archagathus in the consulship of L. Aemilius and M. Livius (219 BCE). Such rings with stones and charms may well have come to Rome shortly before his time. But still it indicates that the prohibitions set upon the flamen Dialis date from the later third century at the earliest, and likely from the time of the Second Punic War.


A Libyan Myth

"Once upon a time, so runs the story, there was a dangerous and savage species of animal whose main haunt was in the uninhabited regions of Libya. For that country even to this day seems to produce all sorts of living creatures, reptiles as well as other kinds. Now among them was the species with which this story has to deal. It had a body that, in general, was a composite thing of the most incongruous parts, an utter monstrosity, and it used to roam as far as the Mediterranean and the Syrtis in search of food. For it hunted both the beasts of prey such as the lion and the panther, even as those hunt the deer and the wild asses and the sheep, but took the most delight in catching men. The general character and appearance of their body were as follow: the face was that of a woman, a brief woman. The breast and bosom, and the neck, too, were extremely beautiful, the like of which no mortal maid or bride in the bloom of youth could claim, nor sculptor or painter will ever be able to reproduce. The complexion was of dazzling brightness, the glance of the eyes aroused affection and yearning in the souls of all that beheld. The rest of the body was hard and protected by scales, and all the lower part was snake, ending in the snake's baleful head. Now the story does not say that these animals were winged like the sphinxes — nor that they, like them, spoke or made any sound whatever except a hissing noise such as dragons make, very shrill — but that they were the swiftest of all land creatures, so that no one could ever escape them. And while they overcame other creatures by force, they used guile with man, giving them a glimpse of their bosom and breasts and at the same time they infatuated their victims by fixing their eyes upon them, and filled them with a passionate desire for intercourse. Then the men would approach them as they might women, while they on their part stood quite motionless, often dropping their eyes in the manner of a decorous woman. But as soon as a man came within reach they seized him in their grasp; for they had clawlike hands too, which they had kept concealed at first. Then the serpent would promptly sting and kill him with his poison; and the dead body was devoured by the serpent and the rest of the beast together.

"A certain king of Libya attempted to destroy this breed of animals, angered as he was at the destruction of his people. And he found that many of them had established themselves there, having taken possession of a dense wild wood beyond the Syrtis. So he mustered a mighty host and found their dens. For they were not difficult to detect owing to the trails left by their serpents' tails and to the terrible stench that emanated from the dens. He thus surrounded them on all sides and hurled fire in upon them, so that, being cut off, they perished with their young. As for the Libyans, they fled with all haste from the region, resting neither night nor day, until, thinking they had gained a great start, they halted for rest beside a certain river. But those of the creatures who had been away hunting, as soon as they learned of the destruction of their dens, pursued the army to the river, and finding some asleep and others exhausted by the toil, destroyed them one and all. At that time, then, the task of destroying this brood was not completed by the king. Later, however - so the story continues - Heracles, while clearing the whole earth of wild beasts and tyrants, came to this place too, set it on fire, and when the creatures were escaping from the flames, slew with his club all that attacked him, and with his arrows those that tried to run away.

"Now perhaps the myth is an allegory to show that, when the majority of men try to clear the trackless region of their souls, teeming with savage beasts, by rooting out and destroying the brood of lusts in the hope of then having got rid of them and escaped, and yet have not one this thoroughly, they are soon afterwards overwhelmed and destroyed by the remaining lusts; but that Heracles, the son of Jove and Alcmene, carried the task through to completion and made his own heart pure and gentle or tame; and that this is what is meant by his taming, that is, civilizing the earth." ~ Cybissus, in exceprts from Dio Chrysostom, Discourses 5.5-23


Today's thought is from Democritus, Golden Sentences 43.

"It is not useless indeed to procure wealth, but to procure it from injustice is the most pernicious of all things."



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80725 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: a.d. XVIII Kal. Oct. - the Fifth Day of the Mysteries
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XVIII Kalendas Octobris; haec dies fastus
aterque est.

"The fifth [day of the Greater Eleusinian Mysteries] was called He ton
lampadon hemera, the torch day, because on the following night the
people ran about with torches in their hands. It was usual to dedicate
torches to Ceres, and contend which should offer the biggest in
commemoration of the travels of the goddess, and of her lighting a
torch in the flames of Mount Aetna." - Lempriere, "Classical Dictionary"

"Then came the 19th of Boedromion, the first day of the festival which
was called Mysteria, The Mysteries, for everything else was mere
preparation, and other mysteries were not the true Mysteries, which
were now about to begin. This day had the special name of agyrmos,
(Hesychios), `gathering'. In the morning the procession of mystai
assembled, began to move, left the city by way of the potters' quarter
and the Sacred Gate, and marched along the Sacred Road to Eleusius,
where it arrived in the evening." - Kerenyi, "Eleusis"

"They [the Athenians] honoured him as a god next after the son of
Persephoneia, and after Semele's son; they established sacrifices for
Dionysos lateborn and Dionysos first born, and third they chanted a
new hymn for Iakkhos. In these three celebrations Athens held high
revel; in the dance lately made, the Athenians beat the step in honour
of Zagreus and Bromios and Iakkhos all together." - Nonnus, "Dionysiaca"

Today is the fifth day in the celebration of the Eeusinian Mysteries.
The procession to Eleusis began at Kerameikos (the Athenian cemetery)
on the 19th Boedromion from where the people walked to Eleusis, along
what was called the "Sacred Way", swinging branches called bacchoi. At
a certain spot along the way, they shouted obscenities in
commemoration of Iambe (or Baubo), an old woman who, by cracking dirty
jokes, had made Demeter smile as she mourned the loss of her daughter.
The procession also shouted "Iakch' o Iakche!," referring to Iacchus,
possibly an epithet for Dionysus, or a separate deity, son of
Persephone or Demeter.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80726 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: Re: LVDI ROMANI 2763 AVC FOVRTH QVARTERFINAL
C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

First, congratulations to the winners! I apologize to C. Petronius Dexter Tribunis Plebis, and to his driver, especially, for Arienrhod's inexcusable actions! I'm fairly tolerant of aggressive tactics, but my tolerance does not include throwing knives at opponents!

Arienrhod is resting comfortably (for the moment), and, apparently has a couple of cracked ribs, a dislocated shoulder and, at they say, numerous abrasions and contusions. these, however, are the least of her worries, as she also has an extremely angry patroness.

However, life goes on ...and there will be a pre-semi finals party tonight at my domus, celebrating all the winners, and, naturally, all are cordially invited!

Valete quam optime,
CMC

Albata semper! Albata Victoria!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80727 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: ABSTRACT: THE LEGENDS OF EARLY ROME USED AS POLITICAL PROPAGANDA IN
*THE LEGENDS OF EARLY ROME USED AS POLITICAL PROPAGANDA IN THE ROMAN
REPUBLICAN AND AUGUSTAN PERIODS (NUMISMATICS, PAINTING, SCULPTURE)*
by *EVANS, JANE DEROSE*, Ph.D., University of Pennsylvania, 1985 , 418
pages; AAT 8523409
Abstract (Summary)

The problem of familial propaganda in the Republican and Augustan periods is
explored in relation to a specific theme--that of the legends of early Rome.
A brief survey is made of familial propaganda as it is recorded in tomb
paintings in Vulci and Rome into the Augustan period, as well as in
triumphal paintings and funeral processions. After a general discussion of
the means and goals of propaganda, the question of when propaganda, and
especially familial propaganda in the form of figures from the early history
of Rome, began to appear on the coinage is addressed; it was discovered that
this type of propaganda rarely appeared until the very end of the Republic.

The following chapters attack the problem on a motif-by-motif basis; the
coin types depict Titus Tatius, the Rape of the Sabines, Tarpeia, L. Brutus,
Numa and *Ancus Marcius*. It is clear at several points in the discussion
that scholars have often been too quick to assign the types to
representations of familial propaganda, which is said to take the form of a
claim of descent from heroic figures in Rome's past. A careful combination
of the literary evidence with the material remains demonstrated that the
coin types cannot be considered sufficient evidence for such a claim on the
part of moderns. When appropriate, other explanations are put forward for
the appearance of the figures on coins.

The motives of the wolf and twins, Romulus, and Aeneas had a long history of
use as propaganda in Rome, beginning in the third century B.C., as evidenced
in sculpture, coins, and literary sources. Propaganda involving Romulus,
Aeneas, and to a lesser extent, the wolf and twins took on renewed
importance under Augustus' patronage, although Augustus avoided using the
coin types to depict the myths of early Rome (probably in deference to a
wider audience, who may not have understood such propaganda) in favor of
building projects in Rome, decorated with depictions of the founders of the
city.

The wolf and twins were a symbol of Rome itself and cannot be demonstrated
to have been linked to a specific family or individual until Augustus
himself used the motif as part of his propaganda concerning Romulus.
Although there are abundant literary sources detailing the use of Romulus'
myth during the Republic, Romulus does not appear (save for representations
of him as a babe in the wolf and twins) in the figural arts until the
principate of Augustus.

A section on unique or doubtful representations of persons or stories from
early Rome and a chapter on the Basilica Aemilia frieze completes the
thesis.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80728 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: ABSTRACT: Exile in the political language of the early Principate
*Exile in the political language of the early Principate*
by *Cohen, Sarah Thea*, Ph.D., The University of Chicago, 2002 , 324 pages;
AAT 3060200
Abstract (Summary)

This dissertation concerns the use of exile as a rhetorical stance within
the political language of the early Principate. The definition of exile as
absence from the *patria * made it an ideal term for use in political
debates to describe and criticize the *respublica * . In this period, exile
could illuminate the way the establishment of the Principate changed the
world of the Roman aristocracy and expose the disjunction between the
*respublica
restituta * proclaimed by Augustus and the autocracy he and his successors
practiced.

I begin with a historical survey of exile during the last century BCE and
first CE, especially the assimilation of exile into the criminal law, the
disappearance of voluntary exile and the development of exile to a specific
place (Chapter One). I also discuss rhetorical uses of exile at the end of
the Republic. In the second chapter I turn to Ovid, whose exile poetry
creates (and then questions) a new representation of exile, in order to
expose and undermine the new power relations embodied in the Principate.
Chapter Three focuses on Seneca, whose later writing (especially the *Thyestes
* and *Epistulae Morales * ) questions the philosophical presuppositions of
the traditional consolatory literature, particularly in the face of
autocracy. In Chapter Four I examine political and philosophical
*secessus *(withdrawal from politics) and its links to
*plebeian secession*, which enable it to represent legitimate political
resistance to the Principate. The representation of Tiberius' life on Capri
as exile, discussed in Chapter Five, is both paradoxical and subversive: it
brings into question the relationship of the Princeps to the city of Rome
and its institutions, because the same man should not be able to be both
exile and autocrat. Tiberius' position implies that the institution of
autocracy has done permanent harm to the *patria * .

Despite the very real discontinuities in the practice of exile between the
Republic and the Principate, the essential opposition between * exilium *and
*patria * allows exile to remain an ideal position from which to comment on
the *res publica * . The nature of exile may have changed, but its
rhetorical value remains strong.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80729 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: ABSTRACT: A new perspective on the early Roman dictatorship, 501--30
*A new perspective on the early Roman dictatorship, 501--300 B.C*
by *Easton, Jeffrey A.*, M.A., University of Kansas, 2010 , 106 pages; AAT
1477220
Abstract (Summary)

According to sources writing during the late Republic, *Roman
dictators*exercised supreme authority over all other magistrates in
the Roman polity
for the duration of their term. Modern scholars have followed this
traditional paradigm. A close reading of narratives describing early
dictatorships and an analysis of ancient epigraphic evidence, however,
reveal inconsistencies in the traditional model.

The purpose of this thesis is to introduce a new model of the early Roman
dictatorship that is based upon a reexamination of the evidence for the
nature of dictatorial *imperium * and the relationship between consuls and
dictators in the period 501-300 BC. Originally, dictators functioned as ad
hoc magistrates, were equipped with standard consular *imperium, * and,
above all, were intended to supplement consuls. Furthermore, I demonstrate
that Sulla's dictatorship, a new and genuinely absolute form of the office
introduced in the 80s BC, inspired subsequent late Republican perceptions of
an autocratic dictatorship.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80730 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: ABSTRACT: Not effigies parvae populi romani: Gods, agency, and lands
*Not effigies parvae populi romani: Gods, agency, and landscape in
mid-Republican colonization*
by *Coles, Amanda Jo*, Ph.D., University of Pennsylvania, 2009 , 331 pages;
AAT 3381512
Abstract (Summary)

The diversity of the religious systems in Roman and Latin colonies of the
Middle Republic indicates that *Roman expansion* into Italy was not a
unilateral, purely hegemonic phenomenon, but a complex interchange of
cultural ideas between Romans, colonists, and locals. My dissertation
examines the development of the cults in colonies founded in Samnium,
Campania, and Northern Italy between 338 and 177 BCE. Through analysis of
the composition and duties of the three-man colonial commission, the
religious landscape of the colonies, and the broad cultic trends in these
regions, I establish that religion in the colonies reflected the experience
of the individuals who founded them and the needs of the individuals who
inhabited them.

The three-man colonial commissioners, the *tresviri coloniae deducendae * ,
used their experience as generals, magistrates, and priests to lead the
colonists to their new home, organize the space, and define the
institutions. The factional divisions and personal ambitions of the
commissioners drove the composition of the commissions and, thus, the form
and institutions of the colonies founded. Through the differences of
intention and colonial strategy held by the commissioners, the colonies did
not espouse a codified Roman settlement pattern, but instead the political
and cultural principles of their founders.

The religious life of each settlement developed beyond its initial
foundation by means of the interactions of the colonists and local
populations. Through a new model of colonial foundation which combines the
human factors of Roman colonization: commissioners, colonists, and locals,
with their impact on, and interaction with, the colonial landscape, I
demonstrate that the religious landscape of the colonies of Fregellae,
Paestum, and Sora did not mirror that of Rome, but reflected the religious
and spatial needs of the colonists. Finally, the evidence for the cults of
Juno, Diana, Minerva, Hercules, Mars, and Jupiter in Central and Northern
Italy shows that the colonists participated in many religious systems: some
cults honored Roman versions of the gods, but more honored local, Latin, or
even Mediterranean conceptions of a deity. Thus, these cults drew the
colonists together with the locals in a shared religious tradition familiar
to both groups.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80731 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: ABSTRACT: Falerii Novi and the Romanisation of Italy during the mid-
*Falerii Novi and the Romanisation of Italy during the mid-Republic*
by *McCall, Walter Frank*, Ph.D., The University of North Carolina at Chapel
Hill, 2007 , 348 pages; AAT 3257471
Abstract (Summary)

According to ancient sources, Falerii Novi was founded by Rome in 241 BC
following the unsuccessful revolt of the older Faliscan centre, Falerii
Veteres. The circumstances of this encounter and the status of the new city
have been questioned in recent years. Nevertheless, Falerii Novi emerged at
the peak of pre-Augustan *Roman expansion*, a period which began following
the dissolution of the Latin League in 338.

Excavation at the site is longstanding, but also sporadic and poorly
documented. The most important investigation in recent years was the
geophysical survey of the walled area undertaken in the late 1990s as part
of the Tiber Valley Project. The result of this undertaking is a detailed
and complete city plan illuminating many of the Falerii Novi's key
architectural features including the forum, theatre, baths, and elite houses
without the need of excavation. In 2004, Professor Nicola Terrenato and I
initiated the Falerii Novi Project as an offshoot of this endeavour. For the
last three seasons, our team has engaged in an architectural survey of the
city walls that surround the site in an attempt to better understand their
role in the city's larger urban scheme.

This dissertation attempts to reconstruct the urban horizon of Falerii Novi,
drawing upon the full corpus of available data from the earliest excavations
in the nineteenth century to the most recent surveys. In doing so, it
identifies and clarifies a number of ambiguities within the geophysical
plan. Second, it considers the role played by the city in the urban
evolution that was ongoing throughout the peninsula during the mid-Republic.
Finally, it seeks to better understand the political and martial
circumstances surrounding the foundation of the city and its official
standing in the newly organised *Latium adjectum * . This final discussion
reconsiders the relationship between Rome and the local communities of Italy
as well as the very nature of Romanisation itself, at least within the
region of the ancient Faliscans.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80732 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-09-14
Subject: ABSTRACT: The war for the mind of the West: Rationality, culture, ge
*The war for the mind of the West: Rationality, culture, geography, history,
and the German problem*
by *Reeves, Eric*, Ph.D., Carleton University (Canada), 2006 , 549 pages;
AAT NR16673
Abstract (Summary)

The "German problem," a pathology of political culture which caused two
world wars and a holocaust, was an example of extreme "spiritual cultural
polarity," which was in turn caused by the long-term "geocultural" position
of Germany on a steep "cultural gradient" in Europe. More specifically, the
thesis of this work is that Germany developed an extremely "spiritual"
reaction against material rationality because of a reaction to a severe
"cultural gradient" between the Rhine and the Elbe, which was caused by the
pattern of urbanization, commerce, and ethnic interactions established
during the Roman Empire.

The "German problem," a somewhat problematic label, is the problem of the
peculiar development of Germany and its culture of "reactionary modernism,"
to use a paradoxical term common in the literature. In this work, the causes
are found in the long-term evolution of Germany from the defeat of Roman
legions on the Rhine in 9 CE to the beginning of the Second World War in
1939. The place the Romans called "Germania" was from the inception a
"divided nation," even before it became a nation or a nation-state, because
of its position on the steep "cultural gradient," between the Rhine and the
Elbe, created by the natural shape of *Roman expansion* into Europe. This
geographic "cultural gradient" caused an analogous cultural division or
"polarity," an antagonism of antithetical forces in German culture. The
culture of "reactionary modernism" was not a manifestation of modernity, as
has become fashionable to believe, but a reaction against it. This is a
reaction which continues in the 21 st Century with the misunderstood "clash
of civilizations," which is not only a war against the West, but also a war
within the mind of the West itself. The German problem was only the most
extreme manifestation, so far, of this war for the mind of the West.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80733 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-09-15
Subject: Re: LVDI ROMANI 2763 AVC FOVRTH QVARTERFINAL
Avete,

Long life Stolo, my best auriga.
Gods bless Incitatus, my beloved charriot.

Long life the Veneti! (Even if our Veneta leader Max. Valeria Messallina is not here for the moment).

VENETI VICERVNT! VENETI VINCENT!

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. XVII Kalendas Octobres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80734 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-15
Subject: a. d. XVII Kalendas Octobris: Banquet of the Gods
M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quirites cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Bonam habete Fortunam.

Hodie est ante diem XVII Kalendas Octobres; haec dies nefastus est: Ludi Romani in circo

The Hearth-Fire of the Flamen Dialis

"It is against the law for the fire to be taken from the flaminia, that is, from the home of the flamen Dialis, except for a sacred rite." ~ Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae 10.15.7


The Beautiful Earth Set as a Banquet of the Gods

"The peasant also chanted a second monody, telling how the universe is a house very beautiful and divine, constructed by the Gods; that just as we see houses built by men who are called prosperous and wealthy, with portals and columns, and the roof, walls, and doors adorned with gold and with paintings, in the same way the universe has been made to give entertainment and good cheer to mankind, beauteous and bespangled with stars, sun, moon, land, sea, and plants, all these being, indeed, portions of the wealth of the gods and specimens of their handiwork.

"Into this universe comes mankind to hold high festival, having been invited by the King of the Gods to a most splendid feast and banquet that they may enjoy all blessings. They recline in different places, just as at a dinner, some getting better and others inferior positions, and everything resembles what takes place among us at our entertainments, except that we are comparing the divine and great with the small and mean. For the Gods furnish us with light of two kinds by means of lamps as it were, at one time a brighter and at another a dimmer light, the one at night and the other by day; and tables are set beside us, loaded with everything, with bread and fruit, some of it wild and some cultivated, and with meats too, some from domestic animals, some from wild, and fish also from the sea. And these tables, the peasant said, speaking like a true rustic, are the meadows, plains, vales, and coast-land, on which some things grow, others pasture, and yet others are hunted. And different persons have different things in greater abundance according to the tables at which they have severally reclined. For some happen to have settled by the sea, others on the plains, and yet others in the mountains. And the waiters are the Seasons, as being the youngest of the gods, beautifully dressed and fair to behold, and they are adorned, not, methinks, with gold, but with garlands of all manner of flowers. And some of the flowers themselves they distribute and also attend to the viands of the banquet in general, serving some and removing others at the right time. And there is dancing and every other sort of merrymaking. Furthermore, that labour which we think we undergo in farming and hunting and the care of the vines, is no more than it is for those at a table to reach out for a thing and take it in their hand. To return now to my statement that different persons reclined in different places, the reason for p427that is the differences in the climate. For those at the head of the tables and those at the foot, more than of the others, are either in the cold or in the heat, because they are either near the light or far from it.
"Now all, so the man continued, do not enjoy the merrymaking and banqueting in the same way, but each according to his own nature. The dissolute and intemperate neither see nor hear anything, but bend over and eat, like pigs in a sty, and then nod in sleep. Again, some of them are not satisfied with what is near, but reach out their hands for the things that are farther away, as, for example, people living inland want fish and take trouble to get it; 34 while others, who are insatiable and wretched, fearing that food will fail them, collect and pile up for themselves as much as they can, and after this, when they have to go, they depart without having a share of anything, but utterly destitute, and leave these things to others; for they cannot take them with them. Now these persons are a laughing-stock and disgrace.

But it is the drunken who are most inclined to act this way. However, it is not wine that makes them drunk, as it is with us, but pleasure. For this is the beverage that the gods furnish at this banquet to which all mankind is invited, so that the character of each man may be revealed. And two cup-bearers stand at their elbows, one male, the other female; the one of them is called Intelligence and the other Intemperance. Now those banqueters who are sensible have the male cup-bearer and from him alone they accept the drink sparingly, in small cups, and only when it has been so mixed that it is quite harmless; for there is only one bowl, that of Sobriety, has been placed before them, nevertheless there are many bowls available for all and differing in taste, as though filled with many kinds of wine, and they are of silver and of gold; and besides, they have figures of animals encircling them on the outside and certain scrolls and reliefs. But the bowl of Sobriety is smooth, not large, and of bronze, to judge by its appearance. So from this bowl they must take many times as large a portion and mix with it a little of the pleasure and drink. Now for those whose cup-bearer he is, Intelligence pours out the wine just so, fearing and giving close heed lest in some way he should fail to get the right mixture and cause the banqueter to stumble and fall. But Intemperance pours out a neat draught of pleasure for the great majority without mixing even a little of sobriety with it, though for some she puts in just a very little for the name of it; still this little straightway disappears and is nowhere to be seen. And the drinkers do not take intervals of rest, but hurry her on and bid her come faster to them, and each one of them grabs first at what she brings. But she hurries and runs about panting and dripping with sweat. Some of her guests dance and lurch, falling prostrate in the sight of all, and fight and shout, just as men do who are drunken with wine. However, these do so only for a little while and moderately; for they are content to sleep a little while, and after that they feel better than ever, since their intoxication was slight. But those who have become stupefied by pleasure, being affected by a stronger potion, act this way all through life; and it is impossible for them to get free while they live but only when dead. For death is the only sleep for people intoxicated in this way and it alone helps them.

"And when they have to depart, the dissolute and intemperate are pulled and dragged away by their slave attendants with discomforts and spells of sickness, shouting and groaning all the while, and having no knowledge whatever where they have been or how they have feasted, even if one or another of them remains a very long time. But the others depart erect and standing securely upon their own feet after bidding farewell to their friends, joyous and happy because they have done nothing unseemly. God, therefore, looking upon these things p435and observing all the banqueters, as if he were in his own house, how each person has comported himself at the banquet, ever calls the best to himself; and if he happens to be especially pleased with any one, he bids him remain there and makes him his boon companion; and thenceforth this man regales himself with nectar. This resembles the beverage of Sobriety, but is clearer by far than the other and purer because, as I think, it belongs to divine and true sobriety." ~ Dio Chrysostom, Discourses 30.28-44 abridged


Romans banquet with their sons

"Why in ancient days did they (the Romans) never dine out without their sons, even when these were still but children? Did Lycurgus introduce this custom also, and bring boys to the common meals that they might become accustomed to conduct themselves towards their pleasures, not in a brutish or disorderly way, but with discretion, since they had their elders as supervisors and spectators, as it were? No less important is the fact that the fathers themselves would also be more decorous and prudent in the presence of their sons; for 'where the old are shameless,' as Plato remarks, 'there the young also must needs be lost to all sense of shame.'" ~ Plutarch, Roman Questions 33


Today's thought is a quote from Homer used by Lucius Apuleius in his own defense, in the Apologia 1.4:

"The most glorious gifts of the Gods are in no wise to be despised; but the things which They are wont to give are withheld from many that would gladly possess them."



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80735 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-09-15
Subject: Re: My Roman fashion show in Plovdiv
Salvete,

A wonderful video, just making a quick stop to post this:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/37331578/Collections-Online-Preview-Roman-Bikini-Briefs

Valete optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> > bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> > someone put up a video of the Roman fashion show I made at the festival of
> > Roman reemactment at Plovdiv, Bulgaria, this June.
> >
> > Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XEmdWCu7wY
> >
> > A. Vitellius Celsus was translating into Bulgarian what I said, so you can
> > only hear Bulgarian audio. I showed how to wrap a pallium, a republican
> > toga, an imperial toga. Then you see me showing a tunica and wrapping a
> > palla, and finally showing the Roman bikini, based on the Piazza Armerina
> > mosaics.
> >
> > ATS: I would like to see this, though videos take forever to download on
> > my system. However, this one is not playing nice, and all that appears is a
> > blank black screen...no clock-like gadget indicating loading, no pictures,
> > nada.
> >
> > BTW: It seems that Yahoo is missing some messages again...
> >
> > Optime valete,
> > L. Livia Plauta
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80736 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-09-15
Subject: Re: My Roman fashion show in Plovdiv
Salve Iulia,
it seems this bikini is based on the leather underpants found in Vindolanda,
while mine is woolen and based on the Piazza Armerina mosaics.

Optime vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 6:32 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: My Roman fashion show in Plovdiv


Salvete,

A wonderful video, just making a quick stop to post this:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/37331578/Collections-Online-Preview-Roman-Bikini-Briefs

Valete optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...>
wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus, sociis,
> > peregrinisque
> > bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> > someone put up a video of the Roman fashion show I made at the festival
> > of
> > Roman reemactment at Plovdiv, Bulgaria, this June.
> >
> > Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XEmdWCu7wY
> >
> > A. Vitellius Celsus was translating into Bulgarian what I said, so you
> > can
> > only hear Bulgarian audio. I showed how to wrap a pallium, a republican
> > toga, an imperial toga. Then you see me showing a tunica and wrapping a
> > palla, and finally showing the Roman bikini, based on the Piazza
> > Armerina
> > mosaics.
> >
> > ATS: I would like to see this, though videos take forever to
> > download on
> > my system. However, this one is not playing nice, and all that appears
> > is a
> > blank black screen...no clock-like gadget indicating loading, no
> > pictures,
> > nada.
> >
> > BTW: It seems that Yahoo is missing some messages again...
> >
> > Optime valete,
> > L. Livia Plauta
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80737 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-15
Subject: a.d. XVII Kal. Oct. - the Sixthe Day of the Mysteries and the Birth
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XVII Kalendas Octobris; haec dies
comitialis est.

"The sixth [day of the celebration of the Greater Eleusinian
Mysteries] was called Iacchos, from Iacchus...who accompanied his
mother in search of Proserpine, with a torch in his hand. From that
circumstance his statue had a torch in its hand, and was carried in
solemn procession from the Ceramics to Eleusis...In the way nothing
was heard but singing and the noise of brazen kettles, as the votaries
danced along. The way through which they issued from the city was
called Hiera hodos, the sacred way, the resting place Hiera syke, from
the fig tree which grew in the neighbourhood. They also stopped on a
bridge over the Cephisus, where they derided those that passed by.
After they had passed this bridge they entered Eleusis by a place
called mystike eisodos, the mystical entrance." - Lempriere,
"Classical Dictionary"

"By the Greek reckoning the next day, the 20th of Boedromion, began
with the evening of the holy night Â… We do not know precisely what
sort of sacred objects had been brought from Eleusis to Athens five
days before but only that after crossing the Athenian border those
bearing them had stopped by the hiera syke, the sacred fig tree. But
as we shall soon see, the choice of the site probably had to do with
these objects. They were kept for a time in the Eleusinion of Athens,
and carried back to Eleusis in the procession. The priestesses bore
them on their heads in baskets. Statues of these basket bearers
flanked the inside of the gate leading into the sacred precinct.

In dark clothing and bearing pilgrims' staffs like the simplest of
wanderers, the mystai follow in the traces of the grieving goddesses.
White garments were first introduced into the festival in 168 (of this
era). Probably this was due to the influence of the Egyptian
mysteries, the cult of Isis, of which such white garments were
characteristic. But already in the classical period the garments worn
on the occasion of the myesis were held in high esteem. They were
dedicated to the goddesses or kept as swaddling clothes for the new
generation, although they were the simplest sort of dress, that worn
by beggars and wayfarers Â… Apart from the myrtle the mystai are
identified as such by two other signs: the women bear kykeon vessels
carefully bound to their heads, and in the hands of the men we
recognize the little pitcher which Herakles, Hermes, and the gods of
Agrai held in their hands." - Kerenyi, "Eleusis"

Today is the sixth day in the celebration of the Greater Eleusinian
Mysteries.



"I begin to sing of Pallas Athena, the glorious goddess, bright-eyed,
inventive, unbending of heart, pure virgin, saviour of cities,
courageous, Tritogeneia (Of Trito Born). From his awful head wise Zeus
himself bare her arrayed in warlike arms of flashing gold, and awe
seized all the gods as they gazed. But Athena sprang quickly from the
immortal head and stood before Zeus who holds the aegis, shaking a
sharp spear: great Olympos began to reel horribly at the might of the
grey-eyed goddess, and earth round about cried fearfully, and the sea
was moved and tossed with dark waves, while foam burst forth suddenly:
the bright Son of Hyperion [the Sun] stopped his swift-footed horses a
long while, until the maiden Pallas Athena had stripped the heavenly
armour from her immortal shoulders. And wise Zeus was glad. Hail to
you, daughter of Zeus who holds the aegis!" - Homeric Hymn 29 to Athena

"From the cleft summit of her father's brow Athene sprang aloft, and
pealed to the broad sky her clarion cry of war. And Ouranos (Heaven)
trembled to hear, and Mother Gaia (Earth)." - Pindar, Olympian Ode 7

"Now Zeus, king of the gods, made Metis his wife first, and she was
wisest among gods and mortal men. But when she was about to bring
forth the goddess bright-eyed Athene, Zeus craftily deceived her with
cunning words and put her in his own belly, as Gaia (Earth) and starry
Ouranos (Heaven) advised. For they advised him so, to the end that no
other should hold royal sway over the eternal gods in place of Zeus;
for very wise children were destined to be born of her, first the
maiden bright-eyed Tritogeneia, equal to her father in strength and in
wise understanding; but afterwards she was to bear a son of
overbearing spirit, king of gods and men. But Zeus put her into his
own belly first, that the goddess might devise for him both good and
evil." - Hesiod Theogony 886

"Zeus lay with the fair-cheeked daughter of Okeanos and Tethys apart
from Hera [text missing] ... deceiving Metis (Thought) although she
was full wise. But he seized her with his hands and put her in his
belly, for fear that she might bring forth something stronger than his
thunderbolt: therefore did Zeus, who sits on high and dwells in the
aether, swallow her down suddenly. But she straightway conceived
Pallas Athene: and the father of men and gods gave her birth by way of
his head on the banks of the river Trito. And she remained hidden
beneath the inward parts of Zeus, even Metis, Athena's mother, worker
of righteousness, who was wiser than gods and mortal men. There the
goddess (Athena) received that [her arms] whereby she excelled in
strength all the deathless ones who dwell in Olympos, she who made the
host-scaring weapon of Athena. And with it [Zeus) gave her birth,
arrayed in arms of war." - Hesiod, Theogony 929a

"But Zeus himself (shortly after his marriage to Hera) gave birth from
his own head to [Athena] bright-eyed Tritogeneia (the thrice born),
Deino (the awful), the strife-stirring, Agestratos (the host-leader),
Atrytone (the unwearying), Potnia Egrekydoimos (the queen, who
delights in tumults and wars and battles). But Hera without union
with Zeus - for she was very angry and quarrelled with her mate - bare
famous Hephaistos, who is skilled in crafts more than all the
Ouraniones (Heavenly Ones)." - Hesiod, Theogony 924

"Zeus slept with Metis, although she turned herself into many forms in
order to avoid having sex with him. When she was pregnant, Zeus took
the precaution of swallowing her, because she had said that, after
giving birth to the daughter presently in her womb, she would bear a
son who would gain the lordship of the sky. In fear of this he
swallowed her. When it came time for the birth, Prometheus (or
Hephaistos, according to some) by the river Triton struck the head of
Zeus with an axe, and from his crown Athena sprang up, clad in her
armour." - Apollodorus, The Library 1.20

"The poet [Homer], too, seems to bear witness to the prosperity
enjoyed by the Rhodians from ancient times, forthwith from the first
founding of the three cities: 'and there his people settled in three
divisions by tribes, and were loved of Zeus, who is lord over gods and
men; and upon them, wondrous wealth was shed by the son of Kronos.'
Other writers refer these verses to a myth, and say that gold rained
on the island at the time when Athena was born from the head of Zeus,
as Pindaros states." - Strabo, Geography 14.2.10

Today is also celebrated as the birthday of Athena, known to the
Romans as Minerva, the Goddess of Wisdom. Adapting Greek myths about
Athena, Romans said that Minerva was not born in the usual way, but
rather Iuppiter had a horrible headache and Vulcan opened up his head
and out came Minerva, fully grown, and dressed in armor, a long
trailing robe, a helmet, a shield and a spear. She, with Iuppiter and
Iuno, formed the Capitoline Triad - the three gods who reigned supreme
over Rome and the Roman people.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80738 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-16
Subject: a.d. XVI Kal. Oct. - the Seventh Day of the Mysteries
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XVI Kalendas Octobris; haec dies
comitialis est.

"On the seventh day were sports, in which the victors were rewarded
with a measure of barley, as that grain had been first sown at
Eleusis." - Lempriere, "Classical Dictionary"

"To Demeter Eleusinia. O universal mother, Deo famed, august, the
source of wealth, and various named: great nurse, all-bounteous,
blessed and divine, who joyest in peace; to nourish corn is thine.
Goddess of seed, of fruits abundant, fair, harvest and threshing are
thy constant care. Lovely delightful queen, by all desired, who
dwellest in Eleusis' holy vales retired. Nurse of all mortals, who
benignant mind first ploughing oxen to the yoke confined; and gave to
men what nature's wants require, with plenteous means of bliss, which
all desire. In verdure flourishing, in glory bright, assessor of great
Bromios [Dionysos] bearing light: rejoicing in the reapers' sickles,
kind, whose nature lucid, earthly, pure, we find. Prolific, venerable,
nurse divine, thy daughter loving, holy Koure [Persephone]. A car with
Drakones yoked `tis thine to guide, and, orgies singing, round thy
throne to ride. Only-begotten, much-producing queen, all flowers are
thine, and fruits of lovely green. Bright Goddess, come, with summer's
rich increase swelling and pregnant, leading smiling peace; come with
fair concord and imperial health, and join with these a needful store
of wealth." - Orphic Hymn 40 to Demeter

"Ceres first turned the earth with the curved plough; she first gave
corn and crops to bless the land; she first gave laws; all things are
Ceres' gift. Of Ceres I must sing. Oh that my song may hymn the
goddess' praise as she deserves, a goddess who deserved high hymns of
praise." - Ovid, Metamorphoses 5.341

"Bounteous Ceres yoked her Angues Gemini (Serpent-Pair) to her
chariot, and fixed the curbing bits and made her way between the earth
and sky to Tritonia's city [Athens], and brought the chariot to
Triptolemus, and brought the chariot to Triptolemus, and gave him seed
and bade him scatter it. Partly in virgin land and part in fields long
fallow. Scouring high the young prince rode through Europe and the
realms of Asia till he came to Scythia, where Lyncus ruled, and
entered the king's palace. Lyncus asked how he had come, his journey's
cause, his name and country. 'Famous Athenae is my country', he
answered, 'and my name is Triptolemus. No sail brought me by sea, nor
foot by land, the sky lay wide to give me way. I bring the gifts of
Ceres. If you sow them wide over your ploughland, they will give you
back bountiful harvests, gentle nourishment.' That barbarous king was
jealous, and to gain himself the credit for that gift so great
lavished his hospitality, and when his guest was sunk in sleep,
attacked him with a dagger. As he tried to stab his heart, Ceres
transformed the king into a lynx; then bade the youth of Mopsosius
[Triptolemos] drive her pair of Iugales Sacri (Sacred Serpents)
homeward through the air." - Ovid, "Metamorphoses" V.643ff

"Now for the fourth time is Eleusis harvesting the bounty of
Triptolemus, as many times has Libra made day equal unto night." - L.
Annaeus Seneca, "Phaedra" 838

"For Rharos had a son Keleos, who had a son Triptolemos. Rharos
received Demeter, as she wandered about looking for Kore [Proserpina],
into his house. In gratitude, Demeter taught Triptolemos, the grandson
of Rharos, the farming of grain. And she provided him a chariot of
winged Drakones, traveling in which Triptolemos went all about the
earth, teaching the farming of grain." - Suidas

"Now she [Demeter] discovered the corn before she gave birth to her
daughter Persephone, but after the birth of her daughter and the rape
of her by Plouton, she burned all the fruit of the corn, both because
of her anger at Zeus and because of her grief over her daughter. After
she had found Persephone, however, she became reconciled with Zeus and
gave Triptolemos the corn to sow, instructing him both to share the
gift with men everywhere and to teach tem everything concerned with
the labour of sowing." - Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 5.68.1

Today is the seventh day in the celebration of the Greater Eleusinian
Mysteries, which took place in the Telesterion. A great hall in
Eleusis, the Telesterion was one of the primary centers of the
Eleusinian Mysteries. At some point in the 5th century BC, a man named
Ictinos built the Telesterion big enough to hold thousands of people.

As the climax of the ceremonies at Eleusis, the initiates entered the
Telesterion where they were shown the sacred relics of Demeter and the
priestesses revealed their visions of the holy night (probably a fire
that represented the possibility of life after death). This was the
most secretive part of the Mysteries and those who had been initiated
were forbidden to ever speak of the events that took place in the
Telesterion. It was destroyed by the Persians and was subsequently
rebuilt some time later by Pericles.

Upon reaching Eleusis, there was a day of fasting in commemoration of
Demeter's fasting while searching for Persephone. The fast was broken
while drinking a special drink of barley and pennyroyal, called
kykeon. Then on 20th and 21st Boedromion, the initiates entered a
great hall called Telesterion; in the center stood the Anaktoron
("palace"), which only the hierophantes could enter, where sacred
objects were stored. Here, in the Telesterion, the initiates were
shown the sacred relics of Demeter. This was the most secretive part
of the Mysteries and those who had been initiated were forbidden to
ever speak of the events that took place in the Telesterion. The
penalty was death. Athenagoras of Athens claims that it was for this
crime (among others) that Diagoras had received the death penalty.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80739 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-16
Subject: a. d. XVI Kalendas Octobris: Numa and the Pontifices
M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di Deaeque vos semper servent.

Hodie est ante diem XVI Kalendas Octobres; haec dies comitialis est: Ludi Romani in circo

"By this date the Etesian winds (of summer) have quite ceased to blow." ~ G. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.74

Numa Pompilius establishes the Pontifices

"To Numa is also ascribed the institution of that order of high priests who are called Pontifices, and he himself is said to have been the first of them. According to some they are called Pontifices because they are employed in the service of the Gods, who are powerful and supreme over all the world; and "potens" is the Roman word for powerful. Others say that the name was meant to distinguish between possible and impossible functions; the lawgiver enjoining upon these priests the performance of such sacred offices only as were possible, and finding no fault with them if any serious obstacle prevented. But most writers give an absurd explanation of the name; Pontifices means, they say, nothing more nor less than bridge-builders, from the sacrifices which they performed at the bridge over the Tiber, sacrifices of the greatest antiquity and the most sacred character; for "pons" is the Latin word for bridge. They say, moreover, that the custody and maintenance of the bridge, like all the other inviolable and ancestral rites, attached to the priesthood, for the Romans held the demolition of the wooden bridge to be not only unlawful, but actually sacrilegious. It is also said that it was built entirely without iron and fastened together with wooden pins in obedience to an oracle. The stone bridge was constructed at a much later period, when Aemilius was quaestor. However, it is said that the wooden bridge also was later than the time of Numa, and was completed by Ancus Marcius, the grandson of Numa by his daughter, when he was king.

The chief of the Pontifices, the Pontifex Maximus, had the duty of expounding and interpreting the divine will, or rather of directing sacred rites, not only being in charge of public ceremonies, but also watching over private sacrifices, and preventing any departure from established custom, as well as teaching whatever was requisite for the worship or propitiation of the Gods. He was also overseer of the holy virgins called Vestals; for to Numa is ascribed the consecration of the Vestal virgins, and in general the worship and care of the perpetual fire entrusted to their charge. It was either because he thought the nature of fire pure and uncorrupted, and therefore entrusted it to chaste and undefiled persons, or because he thought of it as unfruitful and barren, and therefore associated it with virginity. Since wherever in Greece a perpetual fire is kept, as at Delphi and Athens, it is committed to the charge, not of virgins, but of widows past the age of marriage. And if by any chance it goes out, as at Athens during the tyranny of Aristion the sacred lamp is said to have been extinguished, and at Delphi when the temple was burned by the Medes, and as during the Mithridatic and the Roman civil wars the altar was demolished and the fire extinguished, then they say it must not be kindled again from other fire, but made fresh and new, by lighting a pure and unpolluted flame from the rays of the sun. And this they usually effect by means of metallic mirrors, the concavity of which is made to follow the sides of an isosceles rectangular triangle, and which converge from their circumference to a single point in the centre. When, therefore, these are placed opposite the sun, so that its rays, as they fall upon them from all sides, are collected and concentrated at the centre, the air itself is rarefied there, and very light and dry substances placed there quickly blaze up from its resistance, the sun's rays now acquiring the substance and force of fire. Some, moreover, are of the opinion that nothing but this perpetual fire is guarded by the sacred virgins; while some say that certain sacred objects, which none others may behold, are kept in concealment by them. What may lawfully be learned and told about these things, I have written in my Life of Camillus." ~ Plutarch, Life of Numa 9


Proscriptions of the Flamen Dialis

"It is against the law for the fire to be taken from the flaminia, that is, from the home of the flamen Dialis, except for a sacred rite." ~ Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae 10.15.7

"If a person in fetters enter his house, he must be loosed, the bonds must be drawn up through the impluvium to the roof and from there let down into the street." ~ Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae 10.15.8

The flamen Dialis is prohibited from wearing any chains or even sitting next to chains. This again has to do with the idea of casting spells into knots, or into each link of a chain. Just as the Roman's kept the name of the Goddess who protected Rome as a state secret, the priest of Jupiter Optimus Maximus was protected from any magical influences that might interfer with his duties and thus bring harm to the City.


AUC 391 / 362 BCE: Devotio of Marcus Curtius

"In this year, owing either to an earthquake or the action of some other force, the middle of the Forum fell in to an immense depth, presenting the appearance of an enormous cavern. Though all worked their hardest at throwing earth in, they were unable to fill up the gulf, until at the bidding of the Gods inquiry was made as to what that was in which the strength of Rome lay. For this, the seers declared, must be sacrificed on that spot if men wished the Roman republic to be eternal. The story goes that M. Curtius, a youth distinguished in war, indignantly asked those who were in doubt what answer to give, whether anything that Rome possessed was more precious than the arms and valor of her sons. As those around stood silent, he looked up to the Capitol and to the temples of the immortal Gods which looked down on the Forum, and stretching out his hands first towards heaven and then to the yawning chasm beneath, devoted himself to the Gods below. Then mounting his horse, which had been caparisoned as magnificently as possible, he leaped in full armour into the cavern. Gifts and offerings of fruits of the earth were flung in after him by crowds of men and women. It was from this incident that the designation "The Curtian Gulf" originated, and not from that old-world soldier of Titius Tatius, Curtius Mettius. If any path would lead an inquirer to the truth, we should not shrink from the labor of investigation; as it is, on a matter where antiquity makes certainty impossible we must adhere to the legend which supplies the more famous derivation of the name." ~ Titus Livius 7.5


AUC 1060 / 307 CE: Death of Emperor Flavius Valerius Severus

Severus II had a brief career as emperor. When Diocletianus and Maximianus abdicted on 1 May 305 they named as Augusti Galerius in the East and Constantius in the West. Fl. Valerius Severus was named Caesar under Constantius, and for Galerius his nephew Galerius Valerius Maximinus Daia became a Caesar. In early 306 Constantinus, along with his mother Helena, fled from Galerius to his father, Constantius. When his father then died in July the legions declared Constantinus as emperor. He, however, arranged for himself to be no more than Caesar and had Severus raised as Augustus instead. But in Rome the People and the Praetorians proclaimed Maxentius as Augustus, and he drew his father Maximianus out of retirement to return as co-Augustus (28 Oct). Severus was sent against Rome but when his army deserted him for Maxentius, Severus surrendered, only to be executed on 16 Sept. 307 CE.


Today's thought is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 9.7:

"Erase the imprint of imagination; stop impulse; quench desire; extinguish appetite: keep the ruling faculty (with Reason as) its own master."



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80740 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-09-16
Subject: FW: Write a letter to save archaeological sites in Greece
Salvete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80741 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-09-16
Subject: Another suspicious death investigated at Vindolanda
Salvete omnes

You might be interested in another report of another girl found buried at Vindolanda.

This is from the London Daily Mail.






http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1312338/Murder-mystery-1-800-year-old-girl-buried-ancient-Roman-barracks.html


Valete optime
Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80742 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: a. d. XV Kalendas Octobris: Divus Caesar Augustus
M. Moravius Piscinus Pontifex Maximus Quiritibus, cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di Deaeque vos ament.

Hodie est ante diem XV Kalendas Octobres; haec dies comitialis est: Ludi Romani in circo; feriae ex senatus consulto quod eo die divo Augusto honores caelestes a senatu decreti Sexto Appuleio Sexto Pompeio consulibus; Arcturus exoritur, Favonius aut Africus, interdum Eurus, quem quidam Vulturnum appellant.

AUC 767 / 14 CE: The Senate Decrees Caesar Augustus a Divus

On 19 August, in the town of Nola, "in his seventy-sixth year, in the consulship of Pompeius and Apuleius he (Augustus) was resolved into the elements from which he sprang and yielded up to heaven his divine soul." ~ C. Vellius Paterculus, Roman History 2.123

Thirty days afterwards, inclusive, on 17 September, "In their desire to give him a splendid funeral and honour his memory the senators so vied with one another that among many other suggestions some proposed that his cortege pass through the triumphal gate, preceded by a statue of Victory which stands in the House, while a dirge was sung by children of both sexes belonging to the leading families; others, that on the day of the obsequies golden rings be laid aside and iron ones worn; and some, that his ashes be collected by the priests of the highest colleges. One man proposed that the name of the month of August be transferred to September, because Augustus was born in the latter, but died in the former; another, that all the period from the day of his birth until his demise be called the Augustan Age, and so entered in the Calendar. But though a limit was set to the honours paid him, his eulogy was twice delivered: before the temple of the Deified Julius by Tiberius, and from the old rostra by Drusus, son of Tiberius; and he was carried on the shoulders of senators to the Campus Martius and there cremated. There was even an ex-praetor who took oath that he had seen the form of the Emperor, after he had been p285reduced to ashes, on its way to heaven. His remains were gathered up by the leading men of the equestrian order, bare-footed and in ungirt tunics, and placed in the Mausoleum. This structure he had built in his sixth consulship between the Via Flaminia and the bank of the Tiber, and at the same time opened to the public the groves and walks by which it was surrounded." ~ C. Suetonius Tranquilius, De Vita XII Caesarum: Divus Augustus 100.2-4


"O Jupiter Capitolinus, and Mars Gradivus, author and stay of the Roman name, Vesta, guardian of the eternal fire, and all other divinities who have exalted this great empire of Rome to the highest point yet reached on earth! On You I call, and to You I pray in the name of this people: guard, preserve, protect the present state of things, the peace which we enjoy, ... foster the pious plans of all good citizens and crush the impious designs of the wicked." ~ C. Vellius Paterculus, Roman History 2.131


Cutting the hair of the Flamen Dialis:

"Only a free man may cut the hair of the Flamen Dialis." ~ Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae 10.15.11

"The cuttings of the nails and hair of the flamen Dialis must be buried in the earth under a fruitful tree." ~ Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae 10.15.15

The particular arbor felix associated with Jupiter, and thus with His flamen as well, is the holm oak. Other oaks were suitable as well. The very person of the flamen Dialis was regarded as sacred in that he was dedicated to the service of Jupiter. Thus clippings of his hair and nails had to be treated in the same manner as other things that were dedicated to Jupiter.

Other Roman practices relate to what was prescribed for the flamen Dialis. On cutting hair holding some significance, there is a hint in Pliny:

"Similarily, to cut hair on the seventeenth and twenty-nineth day of the moon is believed to prevent headaches and hair loss." ~ C. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 28.5 (28)

The association of certain trees with Jupiter is repeated by various authors. Pliny even said that the earliest temples were in fact trees, and Livy likewise asserted that the first temple to be founded by Romulus was a tree on the Capitoline Hill. This earlier form of practice of offering worship to the Gods at trees was retained among the Roman people:

"For the expiation of sins committed, or for health concerns, and in other ceremonies, men offered two kinds of cakes, one called strue and the other called fertum, in front of a tree that had previously been struck by lightning, saying, 'Jupiter, I pray that You may willingly be propitious to me.'" ~ Festus s. v

The many prohibitions on a flamen Dialis does not seem to have applied to either of the other flamines maiores for Mars and Quirinus, nor to the flamines minors or for any other sacerdotes. But they do tell us something of Roman practices that would be adopted during special periods by sacerdotes or others, since all of the prohibitions in one way or another concern the flamen Dialis maintaining ritual purity.


Marcella

"Why do they call the meat-markets macella and macellae? Is this word corrupted from mageiroi (cooks) and has it prevailed, as many others have, by force of habit? For c and g have a close relationship in Latin, and it was only after many years that they made use of g, which Spurius Carvilius introduced. And l, again, is substituted lispingly for r when people make a slip in the pronunciation of r because of the indistinctness of their enunciation. Or must this problem also be solved by history? For the story goes that there once lived in Rome a violent man, a robber, Marcellus by name, who despoiled many people and was with great difficulty caught and punished; from his wealth the public meat-market was built, and it acquired its name from him." ~ Plutarch, Roman Questions 54


Our thought for today comes from L. Annaeus Seneca, Epistle 107:

Lead me, O Master of the lofty heavens,
My Father, whithersoever thou shalt wish
I shall not falter, but obey with speed.
And though I would not, I shall go, and suffer
In sin and sorrow what I might have done
In noble virtue. Aye, the willing soul
Fate leads, but the unwilling drags along.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80743 From: Cato Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: Yom Kippur
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

This evening began the most sacred day in the Jewish calendar: Yom Kippur, or the Day of Atonement.

"And it shall be a statute to you forever that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict yourselves and shall do no work, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you. For on this day shall atonement be made for you to cleanse you. You shall be clean before the LORD from all your sins. It is a Sabbath of solemn rest to you, and you shall afflict yourselves; it is a statute forever. And the priest who is anointed and consecrated as priest in his father's place shall make atonement, wearing the holy linen garments. He shall make atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make atonement for the tent of meeting and for the altar, and he shall make atonement for the priests and for all the people of the assembly. And this shall be a statute forever for you, that atonement may be made for the people of Israel once in the year because of all their sins...For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement." - Leviticus 16:29-34, 17:11

May all those of our citizens who observe this day be blessed and strengthened in their lives.

Valete,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80744 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

I would like to take a moment to offer my respectful honor to all our Jewish citizens, on this, the most holy of days for them, and to offer prayers that never again will they have to face the kinds of cruelty and intolerance that has formed so much of our mutual history. May the blessings of your Lord fill your lives now, and for the rest of the year.

Respectfully,
valete bene,
CMC

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80745 From: jeancourdant Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: Novus Homo
Salvete omnibusque,

I have received many emails, as I suspected I would, from many of you who are passionate about your views of Nova Roma. I am pleased to have so many respond to my queries of late; most of which have recently been in the BA. I would like to reiterate the word "queries" for that is what I am doing at this point.

Being a "Novus Homo" of sort, I would not be so presumptuous as to take a position or side with any faction(s) yet. I simply do not have enough information to make an informed decision in that regards this early in my citizenship. As I have been doing, I will continue to do; talking with members, reading the archives, and keeping an open mind. I will offer opinions if I feel that's warranted but more so I will try to encourage all citizens to work together.

You are an amazing group of people and you deserve to take pride in what you have been doing all these years. Nothing is perfect and all things continually need to be improved; it's the "human" way.

Valete,

Gaius Octavius Priscus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80746 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
Salve Cato,

Your words are most blessedly received by all those who believe.

For myself, a consummate pagan, all beliefs are blessed. The divine is within
all who wish it to be so. The true magic of being is in believing and although
this is not in keeping with the official state religion of our ancestors it is
nonetheless a most miraculous tenet that all those who believe in a divine
provenance hold dear.

May you and those you hold dear and close to your heart be strong in your faith
and be not deterred from your beliefs.

Vale,

Gaius Octavius Priscus




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From: Cato <catoinnyc@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:00:39 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Yom Kippur


Cato omnibus in foro SPD

This evening began the most sacred day in the Jewish calendar: Yom Kippur, or
the Day of Atonement.

"And it shall be a statute to you forever that in the seventh month, on the
tenth day of the month, you shall afflict yourselves and shall do no work,
either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you. For on this day shall
atonement be made for you to cleanse you. You shall be clean before the LORD
from all your sins. It is a Sabbath of solemn rest to you, and you shall
afflict yourselves; it is a statute forever. And the priest who is anointed and
consecrated as priest in his father's place shall make atonement, wearing the
holy linen garments. He shall make atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he
shall make atonement for the tent of meeting and for the altar, and he shall
make atonement for the priests and for all the people of the assembly. And this
shall be a statute forever for you, that atonement may be made for the people of
Israel once in the year because of all their sins...For the life of the flesh is
in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your
souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement." -
Leviticus 16:29-34, 17:11

May all those of our citizens who observe this day be blessed and strengthened
in their lives.

Valete,

Cato







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80747 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: Re: Novus Homo
Salve prisce, et salvete omnes,

If you can keep that attitude, and I see no reason why you cannot, you will build a realistic, balanced picture of what, and who, we are ...and, more to the point, you will be able to take your place here, as an active, contributing cives, and help to make a difference, for good. We are often contentious always highly opinionated, and occasionally most uncivil ...but we are also passionate, fiercely dedicated, and we tend to form close and enduring friendships. As frustrating as NR can be (and oh, it *can* be), it is a good place to be, and is also a place which will challenge, delight and fascinate those who are willing to invest their time, energy, and effort. Be warned though (smile) this place gets into your genes or something ...and even many who leave either end up coming back, or find that they can't quite cut all ties. I know ...I tried ...and wandered back, at which point, I realized that since I couldn't leave ...I'd stay and contribute what little I can to what has become my Res Publica.

vale et valete bene,
C. Maria Caeca (who almost got herself into trouble with the Praetora by omitting the closing, oops!)

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 80748 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-09-17
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
Salve Prisce,

I think it especially that Senator Cato has expressed these sentiments because he, himself is Greek Orthodox ...thus demonstrating, as an object lesson to all Novi Romani, the tolerance present in Roma Antiqua and here, as well, and I , for one, (a Cultor Deorum), thank him for doing so.

Vale et valete bene,
C. Maria Caeca

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