Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Nov 1-4, 2010

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81448 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: KALENDIS NOVEMBRIBUS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81449 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: The Senate Has Been Called to Order - November 2763 auc. session
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81450 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81451 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Taxes - notice from censor Iulius Sabinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81452 From: Vedius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81453 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: Taxes - notice from censor Iulius Sabinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81454 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81455 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Your call to the depart and your intention to leave
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81456 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81457 From: Vedius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81458 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81459 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: The act of a shameful tyran.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81460 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81461 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial reports - statement o
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81462 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: Another act of a shameful tyran.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81463 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: Taxes - notice from censor Iulius Sabinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81464 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Roma] TO ALL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81465 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Roma] TO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81466 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Roma] TO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81467 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81468 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81469 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81470 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81471 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81472 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81473 From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: de Collegio Pontificum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81474 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81475 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81476 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial reports - statement o
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81477 From: M. Valerius Chlorus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81478 From: M. Valerius Chlorus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81479 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81480 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81481 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81482 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81483 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [NRmagistrates] RE: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial r
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81484 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81485 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81486 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Fw: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Ro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81487 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81488 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [NRmagistrates] RE: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial r
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81489 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [NRmagistrates] RE: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial r
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81490 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81491 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81492 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81493 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81494 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81495 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81496 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81497 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81498 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81499 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81500 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81501 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81502 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81503 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81504 From: Vedius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81505 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81506 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81507 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81508 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Guaranteeing the continuity of the Collegium Pontificum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81509 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: After every Kalends, Nones, Ides, the next day is "Ater", 11/2/2010,
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81510 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81511 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81512 From: enodia2002 Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Fw: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Ro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81513 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: a.d. IV Kal. Nov.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81514 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81515 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81516 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81517 From: ndduffy1975 Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Hail, and whether or not using it makes you a Nazi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81518 From: jeancourdant Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Roman Artifacts in New York City
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81519 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: On the use of "Hail"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81520 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Ro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81521 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: elections?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81522 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81523 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Elections
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81524 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81525 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Being banned from mailing lists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81526 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Being banned from mailing lists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81527 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Elections
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81528 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81529 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81530 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81531 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81532 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Guaranteeing the continuity of the Collegium Pontificum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81533 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81534 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81535 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Being banned from mailing lists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81536 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Guaranteeing the continuity of the Collegium Pontificum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81537 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81538 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Being banned from mailing lists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81539 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Roman Artifacts in New York City
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81540 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Ro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81541 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: elections?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81542 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Guaranteeing the continuity of the Collegium Pontificum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81543 From: Gaius Lucretius Seneca Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81544 From: Gaius Lucretius Seneca Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81545 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Just Say the Word...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81546 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81547 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81548 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Guaranteeing the continuity of the Collegium Pontificum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81549 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81550 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: a.d. III Non. Nov.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81551 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Being banned from mailing lists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81552 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Just Say the Word...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81553 From: M. Valerius Chlorus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81554 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: You're welcome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81555 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81556 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81557 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81558 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81559 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81560 From: M. Valerius Chlorus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81561 From: Marcus Prometheus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Patriarchate is inheriting the world (as it already did at the fall
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81562 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Patriarchate is inheriting the world (as it already did at the f
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81564 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81565 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81566 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81567 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81568 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Board-Senate called to order
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81569 From: ndduffy1975@yahoo.com Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81570 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81571 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81572 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81573 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Patriarchate is inheriting the world (as it already did at the f
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81574 From: Vedius Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81575 From: enodia2002 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81576 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81577 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81578 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81579 From: Vedius Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORU
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81580 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81581 From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: The Removal of L Livia from the Concilium Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81582 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81583 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: The Removal of L Livia from the Concilium Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81584 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81585 From: deciusiunius Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81586 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81587 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORU
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81588 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: The Removal of L Livia from the Concilium Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81589 From: Marcus Prometheus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Patriarchate is inheriting the world (as it already did at the fall
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81590 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81591 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: The Removal of L Livia from the Concilium Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81592 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81593 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81594 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORU
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81595 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81596 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORU
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81597 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: The Removal of L Livia from the Concilium Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81598 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81599 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORU
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81600 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORU
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81601 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: The Removal of L Livia from the Concilium Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81602 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81603 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81604 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81605 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81606 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Comitia Curita List?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81607 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81608 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81609 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81610 From: Charlie Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] Comitia Curita List?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81611 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] Comitia Curita List?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81612 From: mcorvvs Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Donation tool for Sodalitas Pro DIIS is working! - Gratias Agricloae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81613 From: Walter Shandruk Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Notice of Moderation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81614 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81615 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81616 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81617 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81618 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81619 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81620 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81621 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81622 From: M. Valerius Chlorus Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81623 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
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Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81448 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: KALENDIS NOVEMBRIBUS
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est Kalendis Novembribus; hic dies fastus est.

"The consuls for the next year were L. Furius Camillus and C. Maenius.
In order to bring more discredit upon Aemilius for his neglect of his
military duties the previous year, the senate insisted that no
expenditure of arms and men must be spared in order to reduce and
destroy Pedum. The new consuls were peremptorily ordered to lay aside
everything else and march at once. The state of affairs in Latium was
such that they would neither maintain peace nor undertake war. For war
their resources were utterly inadequate, and they were smarting too
keenly under the loss of their territory to think of peace. They
decided, therefore, on a middle course, namely, to confine themselves
to their towns, and if they were informed of any town being attacked,
to send assistance to it from the whole of Latium. The people of Tibur
and Praeneste, who were the nearest, reached Pedum, but the troops
from Aricium, Lanuvium, and Veliternae, in conjunction with the
Volscians of Antium, were suddenly attacked and routed by Maenius at
the river Astura. Camillus engaged the Tiburtines who were much the
strongest force, and, though with greater difficulty, achieved a
similar success. During the battle the townsmen made a sudden sortie,
but Camillus, directing a part of his army against them, not only
drove them back within their walls, but stormed and captured the town,
after routing the troops sent to their assistance, all in one day.
After this successful attack on one city, they decided to make a
greater and bolder effort and to lead their victorious army on to the
complete subjugation of Latium. They did not rest until, by capturing
or accepting the surrender of one city after another, they had
effected their purpose. Garrisons were placed in the captured towns,
after which they returned to Rome to enjoy a triumph which was by
universal consent accorded to them. An additional honour was paid to
the two consuls in the erection of their equestrian statues in the
Forum, a rare incident in that age.

Before the consular elections for the following year were held,
Camillus brought before the senate the question of the future
settlement of Latium. 'Senators,' he said, 'our military operations in
Latium have by the gracious favour of the gods and the bravery of our
troops been brought to successful close. The hostile armies were cut
down at Pedum and the Astura, all the Latin towns and the Volscian
Antium have either been stormed or have surrendered and are now held
by your garrisons. We are growing weary of their constant renewal of
hostilities, it is for you to consult as to the best means of binding
them to a perpetual peace. The immortal gods have made you so
completely masters of the situation that they have put it into your
hands to decide whether there shall be hence-forth a Latium or not. So
far, then, as the Latins are concerned, you can secure for yourselves
a lasting peace by either cruelty or kindness. Do you wish to adopt
ruthless measures against a people that have surrendered and been
defeated? It is open to you to wipe out the whole Latin nation and
create desolation and solitude in that country which has furnished you
with a splendid army of allies which you have employed in many great
wars. Or do you wish to follow the example of your ancestors and make
Rome greater by conferring her citizenship on those whom she has
defeated? The materials for her expansion to a glorious height are
here at hand. That is assuredly the most firmly-based empire, whose
subjects take a delight in rendering it their obedience. But whatever
decision you come to, you must make haste about it. You are keeping so
many peoples in suspense, with their minds distracted between hope and
fear, that you are bound to relieve yourselves as soon as possible
from your anxiety about them, and by exercising either punishment or
kindness to pre-occupy minds which a state of strained expectancy has
deprived of the power of thought. Our task has been to put you in a
position to take the whole question into consultation, your task is to
decree what is best for yourselves and for the republic.'" - Livy,
History of Rome 8.13


"In the last struggle, however, the Samnite Telesinus, like some
champion, whose lot it is to enter last of all into the lists and take
up the wearied conqueror, came nigh to have foiled and overthrown
Sylla [Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix] before the gates of Rome. For
Telesinus with his second, Lamponius the Lucanian, having collected a
large force, had been hastening towards Praeneste, to relieve Marius
from the siege; but perceiving Sylla ahead of him, and Pompey behind,
both hurrying up against him, straitened thus before and behind, as a
valiant and experienced soldier, he arose by night, and marching
directly with his whole army, was within a little of making his way
unexpectedly into Rome itself. He lay that night before the city, at
ten furlongs' distance from the Colline gate, elated and full of hope
at having thus out-generalled so many eminent commanders. At break of
day, being charged by the noble youth of the city, among many others
he overthrew Appius Claudius, renowned for high birth and character.
The city, as is easy to imagine, was all in an uproar, the women
shrieking and running about, as if it had already been entered
forcibly by assault, till at last Balbus, sent forward by Sylla, was
seen riding up with seven hundred horse at full speed. Halting only
long enough to wipe the sweat from the horses, and then hastily
bridling again, he at once attacked the enemy. Presently Sylla himself
appeared, and commanding those who were foremost to take immediate
refreshment, proceeded to form in order for battle. Dolabella and
Torquatus were extremely earnest with him to desist awhile, and not
with spent forces to hazard the last hope, having before them in the
field, not Carbo or Marius, but two warlike nations bearing immortal
hatred to Rome, the Samnites and Lucanians, to grapple with. But he
put them by, and commanded the trumpets to sound a charge, when it was
now about four o'clock in the afternoon. In the conflict which
followed, as sharp a one as ever was, the right wing where Crassus was
posted had clearly the advantage; the left suffered and was in
distress, when Sylla came to its succour, mounted on a white courser,
full of mettle and exceedingly swift, which two of the enemy knowing
him by, had their lances ready to throw at him; he himself observed
nothing, but his attendant behind him giving the horse a touch, he
was, unknown to himself, just so far carried forward that the points,
falling beside the horse's tail, stuck in the ground. There is a story
that he had a small golden image of Apollo from Delphi, which he was
always wont in battle to carry about him in his bosom, and that he
then kissed it with these words:

'O Apollo Pythius, who in so many battles hast raised to honour and
greatness the Fortunate Cornelius Sylla, wilt thou now cast him down,
bringing him before the gate of his country, to perish shamefully with
his fellow-citizens?'

Thus, they say, addressing himself to the god,
he entreated some of his men, threatened some, and seized others with
his hand, till at length the left wing being wholly shattered, he was
forced, in the general rout, to betake himself to the camp, having
lost many of his friends and acquaintance. Many, likewise, of the city
spectators, who had come out, were killed or trodden under foot. So
that it was generally believed in the city that all was lost, and the
siege of Praeneste was all but raised; many fugitives from the battle
making their way thither, and urging Lucretius Ofella, who was
appointed to keep on the siege, to rise in all haste, for that Sylla
had perished, and Rome fallen into the hands of the enemy." -
Plutarch, Parallel Lives, "Sylla"

"Sulla drove Carbo out of Italy, having defeated his army at Clusium,
Faventia, and Fidentia, and fought with the Samnites (the only Italian
nation that had not laid down its weapons yet) near the city of Rome
at the Porta Collina, and having restored the state, soiled his
beautiful victory with a greater cruelty than anyone had ever
displayed. In the Villa Publica, he killed 8,000 people who had
already surrendered, set up a proscription list, filled the city and
all of Italy with slaughter, ordered the murder of all unarmed
Praenestines, and killed Marius, a man of senatorial rank, after
having broken his legs and arms, cutting off his ears and pulling out
his eyes." - Livy, Periochae 88.1-2

On this day in 86 B.C., the last battle in the wars between Marius and
Sulla was fought, outside the Colline Gate at Rome. Sulla having
already marched into the city, a group of Samnites and Marians led by
Pontius attacked at the Colline gate on the northeastern wall, and
fought all night before being routed. The Marian forces, led by Carbo,
had been continually harassed by Pompey and Metellus, allies of Sulla,
and almost all the Marian forces had either desterted or been forced
into submission. A few, though, cut their way through to join up with
a Samnite army. Their combined forces, estimated at 70,000 men, made a
determined attempt to disengage the younger Marius in Praeneste, but
it could not get through Sulla's armies. In a final attempt to save
the besieged, the Marian and Samnite forces made a sudden dash on
Rome. Sulla raced there in the nick of time. Dividing his force Sulla
doubled back to Rome with a mobile column, and offered battle under
its walls outside the Colline Gate. His own wing was almost
overpowered, but made a final rally, while Crassus carried all before
him on the right flank. The fight for Rome ended in the destruction of
the last Marian army. Losses on both sides were heavy; the battle was
swiftly followed by the extermination of the Samnite prisoners within
earshot of the senate house before Sulla addressed the senate (this
was the last serious action ever fought by Samnite forces). The
Samnites were slaugtered in the Villa Publica, that housed the five
year census. Their bodies were carelessly tossed into the Tiber River.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81449 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: The Senate Has Been Called to Order - November 2763 auc. session
Tribunus Plebis C. Petronius Dexter omnibus S.P.D.,

On those calends of November, fastus dies, I stand before you people of Nova Roma, reassembled before the Curia Calabra for hearing a pontiff
minor to call Iuno Couella and, because you are here, on this day, in the town gone from the country around I announce by the way the next Senate session to order:

The auspicia having been taken by the consul and found to be propitious, consul P. Memmius Albucius has called the Senate to order.

Session:
Beginning: 12:00 hour, pr. Nonas Nov. (Nov. 4) ; end: 17:00 hour a.d. III Idus Nov. (Nov. 11)
Contio:
Beginning: 13:00 hour, pr. Nonas Nov. (Nov. 4) ; end: 15:00 hour, a.d. V Idus Nov (Nov. 9)
Vote:
Beginning: 16:30 hour, a.d. V Idus Nov (Nov. 9); end: 16:30 hour, a.d. III Idus Nov (Nov. 11)

The session will be suspended on dies ater a.d. VIII Id. Nov. (Nov. 6).

The agenda is:
Item I - Assidui and application of lex Vedia mod. (information)
Item II - Senatorial Committee on the elections - report (information and discussion)
Item III - SCU on the electoral legal system - prorogation (discussion + vote)
Item IV - Bylaws - senatorial ad hoc committee (information and candidacies)

Notice:
The items mentioned in the agenda may be completed in the following days by additional items or, for further information, by attached
documents, which will be placed as usual in the Board ('Senatus Romanus') files section.

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
Kalendis Novembribus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81450 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex Maximus et Magister Collegii Augurum Quiritibus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:

TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI:

Over the past two years, since October 2008 when I was adlected as Pontifex Maximus, we have seen our Sacerdotes make great strides in restoring the religio Romana and the Pax Deorum for our Res Publica.

Restored for the first time in over fifteen centuries were the feriae Latinae with rites performed for Jupiter Latiaris atop Mont Albano as in the most ancient of times.
Restored were sacrifices for Jupiter Optimus Maximus performed by Sacerdos Iovis M. Octavius Corvus, and a new temple for Him is under construction by the Citizens of Sarmatia.
Restored were the monthly rites for Janus and Juno at the Kalends by Pontifex Metellus, the rites for Juno and Janus at the Nones by Pontifex Maximus Moravius, the monthly rites for Jupiter at each Ides by Sacerdos Iovis Corvus, the monthly rites for Vesta and additional rites of the Virgines Vestales performed by Virgo Maxima Valeria Messallina and Sacerdotes Vestalis G. Maria Caeca and G. Aurelia Ibera.
Restored were annual sacra publica for Concordia, Vica Poto, Carmentis, Terminus, Venus, Pomona, Furrina, Flora, Portunus, and Palatua in addition to the sacra publica previously established for Ceres and Mars, all performed by our various Sacerdotes, Flamines, Flamenicae, and Pontifices.
Restored were the sacra propopuli for the Bona Dea, Mens, Venus Genetrix, and Proserpina.
Restored was the ius Manibus celebrated at Feralia, Lemuria and Parentatio. A special rite was held by Pontifex Maximus Moravius for one of our own, fallen in the war in Iraq, and for all those serving in those Asian theaters of war.
Restored were the seasonal rites of compitalia, sementivae, the Vinalia priora and Vinalia Rustica.
New communities of cultores Deorum have been formed in distant places.
Many new Sacerdotes have been adlected, with the Collegium Pontificum better reflecting the international character of our Res Publica. We have seen, too, a number of candidates brought into the Camillus Program to train as future sacerdotes.
Restored, also, is the Collegium Augurum, as well as steps begun to restore the Collegium Decemviri sacris faciundis.
Sacerdotes took the leading roles in presenting the Ludi for our community, in expanding our website, on innovations like the Vox Romana podcast, and in organizing conventi.
Sacerdotes have been called upon to perform marriages for our growing community, and called upon to offer funeral rites for our honored dead.
The costs incurred by the performance of all of these many rituals have been donated primarily by our Sacerdotes. Last year alone Sacerdotes reported donations of $ 10,258.63 USD and a comparable amount has been contributed by our Sacerdotes this year. No other group of individuals has devoted so much to our Res Publica.

Emperor Julianus the Blessed once wrote a letter in which he said, "It is our duty to adore not only the images of the Gods, but also Their temples and sacred precincts and altars. And it reasonable to honor the sacerdotes also as officials and servants of the Gods; and because they minister to us what concerns the Gods, and they lend strength to the gifts of the Gods of good things to us; for they sacrifice amd pray on behalf odf all men. It is therefore right that we should pay them all not less, if not indeed more, than the honors that we pay to the magistrates of the State. And if any one thinks that we ought to assign equal honors to them and to the magistrates of the State, since the latter also are in some sort dedicated to the service of the Gods, as being guardians of the laws, nevertheless we ought at any rate to give the sacerdotes a far greater share of our good will. The Achaeans, for instance, enjoing their kings to reverence the sacerdos, though he was one of the enemy, whereas we do not even reverence the sacerdotes who are our friends, and who pray and sacrifice on our behalf (Ad Sacerdotem 296b-d)."

Ineed we should honor our Sacerdotes and the cultores Deorum as well for all the acheivements they have performed for us. The Restitutio Pacis Deorum has been brought forth by our sacral Collegia, our Sacerdotes, and by the cultores Deorum. They have revitalized the Religio Romana and invigorated community life for our Res Publica. Sacerdotes and cultores Deorum donate their time, their services, and their money to benefit the Res Publica and bring our Res Publica in close relationship with the Gods and Goddesses of our ancient ancestors.

In spite of all the good our Sacerdotes have done for our Res Publica, another element has festered and arrived from the Back Alley, spreading derision and ridicule, slander and false rumors, obscenities and gross insults. L. Cornelius Sulla, Q. Caecilius Metellus, C. Equitius Cato, Q. Fabius Maximus, Ti. Galerius Paulus, C. Tullius Valerianus Q. Valerius Poplicola, Diana Octavia Aventina, among others, plotted a "coup" in the Back Alley to depose our elected magistrates and our duly adlected Sacerdotes. Their actions included obscene assaults directed towards our Virgo Maxima Vestalis and other female Sacerdotes and towards the women in our Senate; they engaged in sexual harassment of women, especially Sacerdotes; they assaulted the beliefs of others; made mocking assaults against the Gods of Roma antiqua, against our traditions and our religion; they assaulted the Collegia and the administrative authority granted by the Constitution to our Collegia. In these and in other crimes of FALSUM, SOLLICITUDO, and CONTUMELLA PIETATE against the Res Publica, they received support from a minority in the Senate who excused, condoned and often times participated in such irreverent, vulgar, and obscene behavior. As the Sacerdotes worked to benefit all Citizens, this Back Alley group has sown only discord and divisiveness.

The Back Alley insurrectionists crossed over the line from 'hypothetical' discussion to open secession when they took control of a couple of lists and began restricting the communications of elected magistrates, members of the Senate, and Sacerdotes. They have restricted the communications of our Sacerdotes, members of the Collegium Pontificum, and banned the Pontifex Maximus from posting to the Religio Romana list and a list used for instructing Sacerdotes and camilli. The Consul Impius has usurped unconstitutional authority in many areas, including his seizure of the Nova-Roma main list where he has prevented dissent from our Citizens who support the coalition that forms a two-third majority of our Senate. The actions of Consul P. Memmius Impius and his Back Alley insurgents are illegal and unconstitutional. Nova Roma is now irrevocably divided due to the actions by this minority faction.

The minority faction of the Consul Impius has effectively divorced itself from the Res Publica that was once Nova Roma. Violating the Constitution and the laws that define our civitas, these insurgents have departed from our civil society. Having turned themselves against the Gods, thus have they abandoned the Pax Deorum that supports the Res Publica, for which purpose Nova Roma was founded upon. They had sought to divide Nova Roma and now by their departure they have. I do not regard them or anything under their control to remain a part of the Res Publica any longer.

I do not recognize Consul P. Memmius Impius as holding any auctoritas. Without the auctoritas derived from the Gods against Whom he has turned, he does not hold the authority to call the Senate, or any comitia, or any tribunal. Consul P. Memmius Impius has departed from our civitas and from our Res Publica. I do not recognize this person to hold any authority.

Consul Memmius Impius est hostis Deorum, hostis Senatus, hostis Rei Publicae, hostis patriae. Parricida trahatur, unco trahatur, in spoliario lanietur, hostis Deorum. Videri eum in exsilio esse, ipsi aqua et igni placere interdici.

I do not recognize the rump third of the Nova Roma Senate, that factio of insurgents under the Consul Impius, since they, too, have departed from our civitas. Having abandoned the Gods and the Res Publica, the Gods have departed from these false interlopers.

Iove omnipotens, prohibessis defendas averruncesque hostes Deorum ad rem publicam nostram.

I disassociate myself from those impious misogynists; I avert myself from their lies, falshoods, and slander; I denounce the divisiveness they have fomented, and I condemn the verbal assaults and the harassment they have made against Maxima Valeria Messallina, Equestria Iunius Laeca, M. Hortensia Maior, L. Livia Plauta and the other women of Nova Roma. There is no excuse for such vulgar and obscene behavior as committed by L. Cornelius Sulla, Q. Fabius Maximus, Q. Caecilius Metellus, and others. In the last two years we have lost six of our eight Senatrices, nearly all citing these individuals as a reason for their departure. No less do I condemn the hostility these people have shown towards the Gods, towards the cultores Deorum, and towards the Sacerdotes of the religio Romana. The hatred that these individuals project towards women and towards our religious community of cultores Deorum is not consistent with an organization founded as multicultural and tolerant Res Publica dedicated to restoring the Religio Romana. While the Collegia have worked effectively towards accomplishing restoration of the Religio Romana with the support of two-thirds of the Senate, others have set themselves against the ideals and the principles of our Res Publica. We must recognize that the Consul Impius and his allies have now departed and are no longer part of the Res Publica.

Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular perversion of our Res Publica. As they have departed from the Gods and from the Res Publica, so now ought we to depart from them. The future of the Religio Romana will not be found among the impious secularists who departed with P Memmius Impius. The future of the Religio Romana will instead grow among the cultores Deorum, within the local religious communities we create together, with the Sacerdotes chosen by comreligionists, and with the Collegia of the Res Publica Senatus Populique. It is here that our focus must remain, in order to build upon all the success we have had these past two years. Thus should all cultores Deorum take their leave from that band of faithless renegades.


Valete in pace Deorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81451 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Taxes - notice from censor Iulius Sabinus
SALVETE!

In concordance with the SC from December 2008, item VII, at 31 October the internal Corporate Year is end. It was the custom in Nova Roma as that date to represent the last one when our citizens can pay the tax with penalty for the current year.

This year, things were different and the deadline for taxes payment was - in concordance with the consular edict about taxation - at 15 of June, and, the taxpayers' list publication was postponed until 1st of August. Until now, payment reminders and the taxpayers (assidui) list were presented for many times in our lists, especially the main list and the list special designed for announcements.
Censors and the censorial office have attributions when it comes about the taxes payment records. These attributions are stipulated in some of our laws. Among other, the censors and censorial office duty is to place all non payers (capite censi) in the last century and in urban tribes. For the tax payers, assidui, there are not special conditions.

The censorial office I represent will start the work, taking in consideration the taxpayers list presented in our lists and Nova Roma wiki site by consul Memmius, to manually fix every Nova Roman citizen in the place, century and tribe, where belong, depending of the tax payment or not.

While checking the taxpayers' list one problem arises. It seems that some of our magistrates (officers) and senators (directors) are not listed in the taxpayers list.
From various reasons, it is possible to face an omission of their names in the taxpayers list, or as they to forget to reply to the many public reminders about the tax payment in order to be recorded, fact, to which if I think twice about, represent a negligence in the relation with the current administration effort to fix the things and to have a workable Nova Roma. By the other hand, is possible as they to not pay the tax and that is not in line with our current legislation when it comes about the connection between their status as magistrates and senators and the taxes payment.

I want to specify very clear that if our citizens can choose to pay or not the tax, for what we call as Nova Roma officials, that is not an option but something mandatory.

Because that, even if the law Vedia mod. by Apula de assidui et capite censi point IV, allow me to take immediate drastic action, for this time, I suspend from their office and functions the current Nova Roma magistrates (officers) and senators (directors) who are listed as non tax payers (capite censi). I allow them as until 3th of October to bring evidences about the payment done before the deadline. If evidences are not presented, their suspend time from offices and functions will remain valid until the Senate (BoD), who nominated them, or Comitiae, who elected them, will decide about the proper action in conformity with our laws.
Currently, the following Nova Roma magistrates (officers) and senators (directors) are counted as non payers (capite censi):
K. Fabius Buteo Modianus – senator (director), censor (co-secretary).
Franciscus Apulus Caesar – senator (director).
C. Marius Merullus – senator (director).
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia – senator (director).
M. Moravius Piscinus – senator (director).
C. Popillius Laenas – senator (director).
T. Annaeus Regulus – quaestor (financial officer), governor (officer).
T. Arminius Genialis – quaestor (financial officer).
M. Claudia Laurentia – diribitor (election officer).
Q. Fabia Drusilla – diribitor (election officer)
I use this occasion to remind to those concerned and responsible under the law, that there are religious officials who currently are counted as non payers (capite censi). They are:
K. Fabius Buteo Modianus – pontifex, augur, lictor.
M. Moravius Piscinus – pontifex, augur, lictor.
M. Antonius Grillus Graecus – pontifex.
C. Iulius Iulianus – flamen.
Paula Corva Gaudialis – lictor.
Helena Galeria Aureliana – lictor.
M. Martianus Gangalius – lictor.
C. Tullius Valerianus – lictor.

Basis:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Vedia_de_assiduis_et_capite_censis_%28Nova_Roma%29

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Vedia_tributaria_%28Nova_Roma%29

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Vedia_centuriata_%28Nova_Roma%29

Given under my hand this 1st day of November 2763 A.U.C. in the consulship of P. Memmius and K. Buteo II coss.

VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus
Censor.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81452 From: Vedius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salve,

On 11/1/2010 7:25 AM, marcushoratius wrote:
> Very, very, very many words that end up saying very, very, very little.
>

So are you renouncing your Citizenship, or not? You exhort others to
leave; are you leaving as well?

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81453 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: Taxes - notice from censor Iulius Sabinus
Correction:

Instead:
"I allow them as until 3th of October to bring evidences about the payment done before the deadline"
Read:
"I allow them as until 3th of November to bring evidences about the payment done before the deadline"

VALETE,
Sabinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVETE!
>
> In concordance with the SC from December 2008, item VII, at 31 October the internal Corporate Year is end. It was the custom in Nova Roma as that date to represent the last one when our citizens can pay the tax with penalty for the current year.
>
> This year, things were different and the deadline for taxes payment was - in concordance with the consular edict about taxation - at 15 of June, and, the taxpayers' list publication was postponed until 1st of August. Until now, payment reminders and the taxpayers (assidui) list were presented for many times in our lists, especially the main list and the list special designed for announcements.
> Censors and the censorial office have attributions when it comes about the taxes payment records. These attributions are stipulated in some of our laws. Among other, the censors and censorial office duty is to place all non payers (capite censi) in the last century and in urban tribes. For the tax payers, assidui, there are not special conditions.
>
> The censorial office I represent will start the work, taking in consideration the taxpayers list presented in our lists and Nova Roma wiki site by consul Memmius, to manually fix every Nova Roman citizen in the place, century and tribe, where belong, depending of the tax payment or not.
>
> While checking the taxpayers' list one problem arises. It seems that some of our magistrates (officers) and senators (directors) are not listed in the taxpayers list.
> From various reasons, it is possible to face an omission of their names in the taxpayers list, or as they to forget to reply to the many public reminders about the tax payment in order to be recorded, fact, to which if I think twice about, represent a negligence in the relation with the current administration effort to fix the things and to have a workable Nova Roma. By the other hand, is possible as they to not pay the tax and that is not in line with our current legislation when it comes about the connection between their status as magistrates and senators and the taxes payment.
>
> I want to specify very clear that if our citizens can choose to pay or not the tax, for what we call as Nova Roma officials, that is not an option but something mandatory.
>
> Because that, even if the law Vedia mod. by Apula de assidui et capite censi point IV, allow me to take immediate drastic action, for this time, I suspend from their office and functions the current Nova Roma magistrates (officers) and senators (directors) who are listed as non tax payers (capite censi). I allow them as until 3th of October to bring evidences about the payment done before the deadline. If evidences are not presented, their suspend time from offices and functions will remain valid until the Senate (BoD), who nominated them, or Comitiae, who elected them, will decide about the proper action in conformity with our laws.
> Currently, the following Nova Roma magistrates (officers) and senators (directors) are counted as non payers (capite censi):
> K. Fabius Buteo Modianus – senator (director), censor (co-secretary).
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar – senator (director).
> C. Marius Merullus – senator (director).
> Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia – senator (director).
> M. Moravius Piscinus – senator (director).
> C. Popillius Laenas – senator (director).
> T. Annaeus Regulus – quaestor (financial officer), governor (officer).
> T. Arminius Genialis – quaestor (financial officer).
> M. Claudia Laurentia – diribitor (election officer).
> Q. Fabia Drusilla – diribitor (election officer)
> I use this occasion to remind to those concerned and responsible under the law, that there are religious officials who currently are counted as non payers (capite censi). They are:
> K. Fabius Buteo Modianus – pontifex, augur, lictor.
> M. Moravius Piscinus – pontifex, augur, lictor.
> M. Antonius Grillus Graecus – pontifex.
> C. Iulius Iulianus – flamen.
> Paula Corva Gaudialis – lictor.
> Helena Galeria Aureliana – lictor.
> M. Martianus Gangalius – lictor.
> C. Tullius Valerianus – lictor.
>
> Basis:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Vedia_de_assiduis_et_capite_censis_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Vedia_tributaria_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Vedia_centuriata_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
> Given under my hand this 1st day of November 2763 A.U.C. in the consulship of P. Memmius and K. Buteo II coss.
>
> VALETE,
> T. Iulius Sabinus
> Censor.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81454 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Cn Iulius Caesar sal.

A carefully worded note that heralded a clear act of treason, for under the laws of Nova Roma, what Piscinus has now embarked on can only be described as such.

He has been again removing senators from the CP and I assume the CA lists. He has even had the temerity to remove One of our censors, Sabinus, from the CP list, despite the fact he is a pontifex. Why? Because Sabinus would not support those actions of Piscinus which he considered to cross the line of legality, common sense or Romanitas.

This tedious screed below which attempts to justify the culmination of his plotting exhorts cultores deorum to leave Nova Roma. Yes, he words it carefully, trying to claim that we are asked to leave only the sceular perversion of Nova Roma, and flock instead to his new organization, a confederation of local groups ruled by himself, and his own CP. Well for those of you so minded, just go. Let us get this sordid affair done with. As Dexter would say, all this jabbering and self-justification, plotting and foot stamping by Piscinus is....boring.

Nova Roma has not died, nor will it die. What just died was any last shreds of attempts by Piscinus and his co-plotter, the junior consul, to stay within the bounds of Nova Roma's structure and laws. What just died below was the attempt started last year by Piscinus and the junior consul, to stage a coup by forcing in a dictator, to overthrow normal consular government and commence purges of the senate and citizen body. He just ejected Sabinus, he purged him, so who can now doubt what the dictatorship would have led to, despite all the bleating otherwise?

So, now let us all make our choices. I elect to stay with Nova Roma and the legitimate actions of consul Albucius, and that part of the senate that consistently stood against attempts by Oiscinus to take Nova Roma to himself, and to treat it as his own play thing.

I also note that still, like Cataline, Piscinus fails to simply stand up and be man enough to admit he was involved in a plot, a coup, and that now since it was unmasked, he intends to create a rival organization. Still he will not simply resign and do the "decent" thing. He remains attached like a leech to the backside of Nova Roma. Maybe now it is simply time for Nova Roma to sit down heavily on this bloodsucker and squash him.

Optime valete
Cn Iulius Caesar
Senator

--- On Mon, 11/1/10, marcushoratius <mhoratius@...> wrote:

> From: marcushoratius <mhoratius@...>
> Subject: [NovaRomaComitiaCenturiata] TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
> To: NovaRomaComitiaCenturiata@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 5:29 AM
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
> Pontifex Maximus et Magister Collegii Augurum Quiritibus
> cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:
>
> TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI:
>
> Over the past two years, since October 2008 when I was
> adlected as Pontifex Maximus, we have seen our Sacerdotes
> make great strides in restoring the religio Romana and the
> Pax Deorum for our Res Publica.
>
> Restored for the first time in over fifteen centuries were
> the feriae Latinae with rites performed for Jupiter Latiaris
> atop Mont Albano as in the most ancient of times.
> Restored were sacrifices for Jupiter Optimus Maximus
> performed by Sacerdos Iovis M. Octavius Corvus, and a new
> temple for Him is under construction by the Citizens of
> Sarmatia.
> Restored were the monthly rites for Janus and Juno at the
> Kalends by Pontifex Metellus, the rites for Juno and Janus
> at the Nones by Pontifex Maximus Moravius, the monthly rites
> for Jupiter at each Ides by Sacerdos Iovis Corvus, the
> monthly rites for Vesta and additional rites of the Virgines
> Vestales performed by Virgo Maxima Valeria Messallina and
> Sacerdotes Vestalis G. Maria Caeca and G. Aurelia Ibera.
> Restored were annual sacra publica for Concordia, Vica
> Poto, Carmentis, Terminus, Venus, Pomona, Furrina, Flora,
> Portunus, and Palatua in addition to the sacra publica
> previously established for Ceres and Mars, all performed by
> our various Sacerdotes, Flamines, Flamenicae, and
> Pontifices.
> Restored were the sacra propopuli for the Bona Dea, Mens,
> Venus Genetrix, and Proserpina.
> Restored was the ius Manibus celebrated at Feralia, Lemuria
> and Parentatio. A special rite was held by Pontifex Maximus
> Moravius for one of our own, fallen in the war in Iraq, and
> for all those serving in those Asian theaters of war.
> Restored were the seasonal rites of compitalia, sementivae,
> the Vinalia priora and Vinalia Rustica.
> New communities of cultores Deorum have been formed in
> distant places.
> Many new Sacerdotes have been adlected, with the Collegium
> Pontificum better reflecting the international character of
> our Res Publica.  We have seen, too, a number of
> candidates brought into the Camillus Program to train as
> future sacerdotes.
> Restored, also, is the Collegium Augurum, as well as steps
> begun to restore the Collegium Decemviri sacris faciundis.
> Sacerdotes took the leading roles in presenting the Ludi
> for our community, in expanding our website, on innovations
> like the Vox Romana podcast, and in organizing conventi.
> Sacerdotes have been called upon to perform marriages for
> our growing community, and called upon to offer funeral
> rites for our honored dead.
> The costs incurred by the performance of all of these many
> rituals have been donated primarily by our Sacerdotes. Last
> year alone Sacerdotes reported donations of $ 10,258.63 USD
> and a comparable amount has been contributed by our
> Sacerdotes this year. No other group of individuals has
> devoted so much to our Res Publica.
>
> Emperor Julianus the Blessed once wrote a letter in which
> he said, "It is our duty to adore not only the images of the
> Gods, but also Their temples and sacred precincts and
> altars.  And it reasonable to honor the sacerdotes also
> as officials and servants of the Gods; and because they
> minister to us what concerns the Gods, and they lend
> strength to the gifts of the Gods of good things to us; for
> they sacrifice amd pray on behalf odf all men.  It is
> therefore right that we should pay them all not less, if not
> indeed more, than the honors that we pay to the magistrates
> of the State. And if any one thinks that we ought to assign
> equal honors to them and to the magistrates of the State,
> since the latter also are in some sort dedicated to the
> service of the Gods, as being guardians of the laws,
> nevertheless we ought at any rate to give the sacerdotes a
> far greater share of our good will. The Achaeans, for
> instance, enjoing their kings to reverence the sacerdos,
> though he was one of the enemy, whereas we do not even
> reverence the sacerdotes who are our friends, and who pray
> and sacrifice on our behalf (Ad Sacerdotem 296b-d)."
>
> Ineed we should honor our Sacerdotes and the cultores
> Deorum as well for all the acheivements they have performed
> for us. The Restitutio Pacis Deorum has been brought forth
> by our sacral Collegia, our Sacerdotes, and by the cultores
> Deorum. They have revitalized the Religio Romana and
> invigorated community life for our Res Publica. Sacerdotes
> and cultores Deorum donate their time, their services, and
> their money to benefit the Res Publica and bring our Res
> Publica in close relationship with the Gods and Goddesses of
> our ancient ancestors.
>
> In spite of all the good our Sacerdotes have done for
> our  Res Publica, another element has festered and
> arrived from the Back Alley, spreading derision and
> ridicule, slander and false rumors, obscenities and gross
> insults.  L. Cornelius Sulla, Q. Caecilius
> Metellus,  C. Equitius Cato, Q. Fabius Maximus, Ti.
> Galerius Paulus,  C. Tullius Valerianus Q. Valerius
> Poplicola, Diana Octavia Aventina, among others, plotted a
> "coup" in the Back Alley to depose our elected magistrates
> and our duly adlected Sacerdotes. Their actions included
> obscene assaults directed towards our Virgo Maxima Vestalis
> and other female Sacerdotes and towards the women in our
> Senate; they engaged in sexual harassment of women,
> especially Sacerdotes; they assaulted the beliefs of others;
> made mocking assaults against the Gods of Roma antiqua,
> against our traditions and our religion; they assaulted the
> Collegia and the administrative authority granted by the
> Constitution to our Collegia. In these and in other crimes
> of FALSUM, SOLLICITUDO, and CONTUMELLA PIETATE against the
> Res Publica, they received support from a minority in the
> Senate who excused, condoned and often times participated in
> such irreverent, vulgar, and obscene behavior.  As the
> Sacerdotes worked to benefit all Citizens, this Back Alley
> group has sown only discord and divisiveness.
>
> The Back Alley insurrectionists crossed over the line from
> 'hypothetical' discussion to open secession when they took
> control of a couple of lists and began restricting the
> communications of elected magistrates, members of the
> Senate, and Sacerdotes.  They have restricted the
> communications of our Sacerdotes, members of the Collegium
> Pontificum, and banned the Pontifex Maximus from posting to
> the Religio Romana list and a list used for instructing
> Sacerdotes and camilli. The Consul Impius has usurped
> unconstitutional authority in many areas, including his
> seizure of the Nova-Roma main list where he has prevented
> dissent from our Citizens who support the coalition that
> forms a two-third majority of our Senate. The actions of
> Consul P. Memmius Impius and his Back Alley insurgents are
> illegal and unconstitutional. Nova Roma is now irrevocably
> divided due to the actions by this minority faction.
>
> The minority faction of the Consul Impius has effectively
> divorced itself from the Res Publica that was once Nova
> Roma.  Violating the Constitution and the laws that
> define our civitas, these insurgents have departed from our
> civil society.  Having turned themselves against the
> Gods, thus have they abandoned the Pax Deorum that supports
> the Res Publica, for which purpose Nova Roma was founded
> upon. They had sought to divide Nova Roma and now by their
> departure they have.  I do not regard them or anything
> under their control to remain a part of the Res Publica any
> longer.
>
> I do not recognize Consul P. Memmius Impius as holding any
> auctoritas.  Without the auctoritas derived from the
> Gods against Whom he has turned, he does not hold the
> authority to call the Senate, or any comitia, or any
> tribunal. Consul P. Memmius Impius has departed from our
> civitas and from our Res Publica. I do not recognize this
> person to hold any authority.
>
> Consul Memmius Impius est hostis Deorum, hostis Senatus,
> hostis Rei Publicae, hostis patriae.  Parricida
> trahatur, unco trahatur, in spoliario lanietur, hostis
> Deorum. Videri eum in exsilio esse, ipsi aqua et igni
> placere interdici.   
>
> I do not recognize the rump third of the Nova Roma Senate,
> that factio of insurgents under the Consul Impius, since
> they, too, have departed from our civitas. Having 
> abandoned the Gods and the Res Publica, the Gods have
> departed from these false interlopers. 
>
> Iove omnipotens, prohibessis defendas averruncesque hostes
> Deorum ad rem publicam nostram.
>
> I disassociate myself from those impious misogynists; I
> avert myself from their lies, falshoods,  and slander;
> I denounce the divisiveness they have fomented, and I
> condemn the verbal assaults and the harassment they have
> made against Maxima Valeria Messallina, Equestria Iunius
> Laeca, M. Hortensia Maior, L. Livia Plauta and the other
> women of Nova Roma. There is no excuse for such vulgar and
> obscene behavior as committed by L. Cornelius Sulla, Q.
> Fabius Maximus, Q. Caecilius Metellus, and others.  In
> the last two years we have lost six of our eight Senatrices,
> nearly all citing these individuals as a reason for their
> departure.  No less do I condemn the hostility these
> people have shown towards the Gods, towards the cultores
> Deorum, and towards the Sacerdotes of the religio Romana.
> The hatred that these individuals project towards women and
> towards our religious community of cultores Deorum is not
> consistent with an organization founded as multicultural and
> tolerant Res Publica dedicated to restoring the Religio
> Romana. While the Collegia have worked effectively towards
> accomplishing restoration of the Religio Romana with the
> support of two-thirds of the Senate, others have set
> themselves against the ideals and the principles of our Res
> Publica. We must recognize that the Consul Impius and his
> allies have now departed and are no longer part of the Res
> Publica.
>
> Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex
> Maximus, I advise and recommend that you DEPART from the
> insurgents, unsubscribe from lists controlled by Consul P.
> Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
> perversion of our Res Publica.  As they have departed
> from the Gods and from the Res Publica, so now ought we to
> depart from them.   The future of the Religio
> Romana will not be found among the impious secularists who
> departed with P Memmius Impius. The future of the Religio
> Romana will instead grow among the cultores Deorum, within
> the local religious communities we create together, with the
> Sacerdotes chosen by comreligionists, and with the Collegia
> of the Res Publica Senatus Populique. It is here that our
> focus must remain, in order to build upon all the success we
> have had these past two years. Thus should all cultores
> Deorum take their leave from that band of faithless
> renegades.
>
> Valete in pace Deorum
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     NovaRomaComitiaCenturiata-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81455 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Your call to the depart and your intention to leave
Salve Moravi, salvete omnes Quirites,

I will be the first one to pay homage to the work done by the religious institutions and by you, personally, as (former ?) pontifex maximus.

However, I am obliged to state that you have not been able to face the challenge that was asked our Republican community this year : to help the elected magistrates placing the Religio romana at the service of every one, and developing, along with these magistrates, a pedagogical policy in order that the ones of us who are given, by the whole People, the specialized mission to care about religious rites, be more active and present besides the citizens, the families, the groups and the magistrates. This way, our Religio romana would have been better known, lived, and shared.

As you did more than once, unfortunately, you are evoking what all the priests would have brought our Republic. You underevaluate again the fact that the Religio romana is not just rituals led by dedicated persons, nor the ownership of the priests, augurs, and other officers : it is a transversal pole of our Roman community where each magistrate, public officer.. to the individual through the head of our families share a part of the responsibility.

You have forgotten that the Religio romana could not be reserved to a specialized body, nor be put over the other parts of our community : it is neither the Catholic Church with its pontifex maximus (aka �pope�), nor Iran religious system.

Allow me please considering that you are not sincere when you say that �Sacerdotes took the leading roles in presenting the Ludi for our community�. You well know that it is wrong, and a bit deprising for all the other citizens who are not lucky enough to be in this �group�, who worked on and around our Games all over the years. When available, priests brought their own contribution, during a sequence started by the magistrates, allowed by their work by our scribes and good will citizens, fed then by the participation of our citizens to the Ludi themselves, and concluded by our magistrates.

Your affirmation according which �Sacerdotes reported donations of $ 10,258.63 USD and a comparable amount has been contributed by our Sacerdotes this year. No other group of individuals has devoted so much to our Res Publica�, is also a surprise.

I cannot remember, in NR Inc. official accounts, where you may find such a statement or, in our legal working rules, a place where the �Sacerdotes� would be identified as a separate �group� whose input in our Republic would be recorded apart.
I just know citizens, who, as members, give their time, energy and nature or financial contributions to our community, and who, at least for the most of them, do not, with the decency which is normal for Romans, present such personal bills. Our Republic do not compare, in addition, what bring our provinces, our orders, etc. separately.

Last, and forgive me to point at this, the first moral duty, in terms of financial contribution, is to pay our annual fee. Should we take the list of our tax paying members and check if our �sacerdotes� have all contributed to our common life? And did you, yourself, dear Moravi ?



I will not comment your recurrent themas on our female members, our plots, etc., and will just take good note that you �dissociate yourself� from the �insurrectionists�, �faithless renegades� and �insurgents�, and that you �advise and recommend� �all cultores deorum romani� to depart these bad-bad people.
Then and to say short, I state that you call these �cultores� becoming themselves insurgents-against-insurgents and to �depart�, �unsubscribe from lists controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius�.

To conclude, and as I told recently about the fact that some of us be eager to create new organizations to live their romanity, I think that it was not necessary for you, to come to such extremity and such words. But iff however you may think that both your dignitas and your self-esteem, will be saved this way, I understand your letter, as well as if you had since a long time planned this 'crisis', as some tend to think, and as I still refuse to believe.


I wish you, sincerely, the best in your new Roman adventures, with the �cultores Deorum, within the local religious communities [you will] create together�. Here is your dream. Mine is still in Rome, as a whole.

Naturally, you will understand that I request that you may not use the lists used in the daily work of our public services to display your bitterness. Do not thank me , please.
I will, however, recommend our Praetura that our Forum romanum (Main List) be kept open for you normally until next Idus, so that you may go on expressing freely your views, convince Nova Roma citizens to join you if they will to, and to let you time organizing your depart. During this period, I will recommend the Praetura to let you express your views as every Forum member, and will not introduce any judicial action for the words that you would wish tell there. :-)

You will understand that, after this comfortable period, and if you are still among us a.k.a. the bad-bad �insurgents-renages-secessionists-etc.�
;-), you be asked, in the frame of a moderation status, to the reserve that, after such words, decence and respect would demand every one of us.


Good luck to you and to all who would join you.

Vale sincerely Piscine,



P. Memmius Albucius cos




To: NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com
From: MHoratius@...
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 11:26:43 +0000
Subject: [NovaRoma-Announce] TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM





Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex Maximus et Magister Collegii Augurum Quiritibus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:

TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI:

Over the past two years, since October 2008 when I was adlected as Pontifex Maximus, we have seen our Sacerdotes make great strides in restoring the religio Romana and the Pax Deorum for our Res Publica.

Restored for the first time in over fifteen centuries were the feriae Latinae with rites performed for Jupiter Latiaris atop Mont Albano as in the most ancient of times.
Restored were sacrifices for Jupiter Optimus Maximus performed by Sacerdos Iovis M. Octavius Corvus, and a new temple for Him is under construction by the Citizens of Sarmatia.
Restored were the monthly rites for Janus and Juno at the Kalends by Pontifex Metellus, the rites for Juno and Janus at the Nones by Pontifex Maximus Moravius, the monthly rites for Jupiter at each Ides by Sacerdos Iovis Corvus, the monthly rites for Vesta and additional rites of the Virgines Vestales performed by Virgo Maxima Valeria Messallina and Sacerdotes Vestalis G. Maria Caeca and G. Aurelia Ibera.
Restored were annual sacra publica for Concordia, Vica Poto, Carmentis, Terminus, Venus, Pomona, Furrina, Flora, Portunus, and Palatua in addition to the sacra publica previously established for Ceres and Mars, all performed by our various Sacerdotes, Flamines, Flamenicae, and Pontifices.
Restored were the sacra propopuli for the Bona Dea, Mens, Venus Genetrix, and Proserpina.
Restored was the ius Manibus celebrated at Feralia, Lemuria and Parentatio. A special rite was held by Pontifex Maximus Moravius for one of our own, fallen in the war in Iraq, and for all those serving in those Asian theaters of war.
Restored were the seasonal rites of compitalia, sementivae, the Vinalia priora and Vinalia Rustica.
New communities of cultores Deorum have been formed in distant places.
Many new Sacerdotes have been adlected, with the Collegium Pontificum better reflecting the international character of our Res Publica. We have seen, too, a number of candidates brought into the Camillus Program to train as future sacerdotes.
Restored, also, is the Collegium Augurum, as well as steps begun to restore the Collegium Decemviri sacris faciundis.
Sacerdotes took the leading roles in presenting the Ludi for our community, in expanding our website, on innovations like the Vox Romana podcast, and in organizing conventi.
Sacerdotes have been called upon to perform marriages for our growing community, and called upon to offer funeral rites for our honored dead.
The costs incurred by the performance of all of these many rituals have been donated primarily by our Sacerdotes. Last year alone Sacerdotes reported donations of $ 10,258.63 USD and a comparable amount has been contributed by our Sacerdotes this year. No other group of individuals has devoted so much to our Res Publica.

Emperor Julianus the Blessed once wrote a letter in which he said, "It is our duty to adore not only the images of the Gods, but also Their temples and sacred precincts and altars. And it reasonable to honor the sacerdotes also as officials and servants of the Gods; and because they minister to us what concerns the Gods, and they lend strength to the gifts of the Gods of good things to us; for they sacrifice amd pray on behalf odf all men. It is therefore right that we should pay them all not less, if not indeed more, than the honors that we pay to the magistrates of the State. And if any one thinks that we ought to assign equal honors to them and to the magistrates of the State, since the latter also are in some sort dedicated to the service of the Gods, as being guardians of the laws, nevertheless we ought at any rate to give the sacerdotes a far greater share of our good will. The Achaeans, for instance, enjoing their kings to reverence the sacerdos, though he was one of the enemy, whereas we do not even reverence the sacerdotes who are our friends, and who pray and sacrifice on our behalf (Ad Sacerdotem 296b-d)."

Ineed we should honor our Sacerdotes and the cultores Deorum as well for all the acheivements they have performed for us. The Restitutio Pacis Deorum has been brought forth by our sacral Collegia, our Sacerdotes, and by the cultores Deorum. They have revitalized the Religio Romana and invigorated community life for our Res Publica. Sacerdotes and cultores Deorum donate their time, their services, and their money to benefit the Res Publica and bring our Res Publica in close relationship with the Gods and Goddesses of our ancient ancestors.

In spite of all the good our Sacerdotes have done for our Res Publica, another element has festered and arrived from the Back Alley, spreading derision and ridicule, slander and false rumors, obscenities and gross insults. L. Cornelius Sulla, Q. Caecilius Metellus, C. Equitius Cato, Q. Fabius Maximus, Ti. Galerius Paulus, C. Tullius Valerianus Q. Valerius Poplicola, Diana Octavia Aventina, among others, plotted a "coup" in the Back Alley to depose our elected magistrates and our duly adlected Sacerdotes. Their actions included obscene assaults directed towards our Virgo Maxima Vestalis and other female Sacerdotes and towards the women in our Senate; they engaged in sexual harassment of women, especially Sacerdotes; they assaulted the beliefs of others; made mocking assaults against the Gods of Roma antiqua, against our traditions and our religion; they assaulted the Collegia and the administrative authority granted by the Constitution to our Collegia. In these and in other crimes of FALSUM, SOLLICITUDO, and CONTUMELLA PIETATE against the Res Publica, they received support from a minority in the Senate who excused, condoned and often times participated in such irreverent, vulgar, and obscene behavior. As the Sacerdotes worked to benefit all Citizens, this Back Alley group has sown only discord and divisiveness.

The Back Alley insurrectionists crossed over the line from 'hypothetical' discussion to open secession when they took control of a couple of lists and began restricting the communications of elected magistrates, members of the Senate, and Sacerdotes. They have restricted the communications of our Sacerdotes, members of the Collegium Pontificum, and banned the Pontifex Maximus from posting to the Religio Romana list and a list used for instructing Sacerdotes and camilli. The Consul Impius has usurped unconstitutional authority in many areas, including his seizure of the Nova-Roma main list where he has prevented dissent from our Citizens who support the coalition that forms a two-third majority of our Senate. The actions of Consul P. Memmius Impius and his Back Alley insurgents are illegal and unconstitutional. Nova Roma is now irrevocably divided due to the actions by this minority faction.

The minority faction of the Consul Impius has effectively divorced itself from the Res Publica that was once Nova Roma. Violating the Constitution and the laws that define our civitas, these insurgents have departed from our civil society. Having turned themselves against the Gods, thus have they abandoned the Pax Deorum that supports the Res Publica, for which purpose Nova Roma was founded upon. They had sought to divide Nova Roma and now by their departure they have. I do not regard them or anything under their control to remain a part of the Res Publica any longer.

I do not recognize Consul P. Memmius Impius as holding any auctoritas. Without the auctoritas derived from the Gods against Whom he has turned, he does not hold the authority to call the Senate, or any comitia, or any tribunal. Consul P. Memmius Impius has departed from our civitas and from our Res Publica. I do not recognize this person to hold any authority.

Consul Memmius Impius est hostis Deorum, hostis Senatus, hostis Rei Publicae, hostis patriae. Parricida trahatur, unco trahatur, in spoliario lanietur, hostis Deorum. Videri eum in exsilio esse, ipsi aqua et igni placere interdici.

I do not recognize the rump third of the Nova Roma Senate, that factio of insurgents under the Consul Impius, since they, too, have departed from our civitas. Having abandoned the Gods and the Res Publica, the Gods have departed from these false interlopers.

Iove omnipotens, prohibessis defendas averruncesque hostes Deorum ad rem publicam nostram.

I disassociate myself from those impious misogynists; I avert myself from their lies, falshoods, and slander; I denounce the divisiveness they have fomented, and I condemn the verbal assaults and the harassment they have made against Maxima Valeria Messallina, Equestria Iunius Laeca, M. Hortensia Maior, L. Livia Plauta and the other women of Nova Roma. There is no excuse for such vulgar and obscene behavior as committed by L. Cornelius Sulla, Q. Fabius Maximus, Q. Caecilius Metellus, and others. In the last two years we have lost six of our eight Senatrices, nearly all citing these individuals as a reason for their departure. No less do I condemn the hostility these people have shown towards the Gods, towards the cultores Deorum, and towards the Sacerdotes of the religio Romana. The hatred that these individuals project towards women and towards our religious community of cultores Deorum is not consistent with an organization founded as multicultural and tolerant Res Publica dedicated to restoring the Religio Romana. While the Collegia have worked effectively towards accomplishing restoration of the Religio Romana with the support of two-thirds of the Senate, others have set themselves against the ideals and the principles of our Res Publica. We must recognize that the Consul Impius and his allies have now departed and are no longer part of the Res Publica.

Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular perversion of our Res Publica. As they have departed from the Gods and from the Res Publica, so now ought we to depart from them. The future of the Religio Romana will not be found among the impious secularists who departed with P Memmius Impius. The future of the Religio Romana will instead grow among the cultores Deorum, within the local religious communities we create together, with the Sacerdotes chosen by comreligionists, and with the Collegia of the Res Publica Senatus Populique. It is here that our focus must remain, in order to build upon all the success we have had these past two years. Thus should all cultores Deorum take their leave from that band of faithless renegades.

Valete in pace Deorum






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81456 From: marcushoratius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salve Flavi Vedi

No. I am not resigning from anything. Nor am I resigning myself to the abuses and usurptation by the Consul Impius and his rump Senate. Nova Roma is composed of the Senate and the People. It is not merely a couple of lists. The majority of the Senate stand behind Consul Quintilianus. The majority of the Collegium Pontificum stand behind me as the Pontifex Maximus, as do the cultores Deorum that make Nova Roma at all relevent. And the majority of our Citizens also stand behind Consul Quintilianus and the Res Publica. Whatever Albucius and his faithless insurgents hold onto is no longer part of our Res Publica. There is no reason that I or that any of the majority should resign from a group that has already departed from us, from our civitas, and from our Res Publica.

You, Vedi, as a pater patriae, should know that Nova Roma was founded to support and promote the religio Romana. Under Aurelianus and then myself, our Collegia have been revitalized, and that has paid off with so many sacra publica and a restoration the cultus Deorum. So I ask you, where does the real Nova Roma lie? At its heart among those who keep alive the cultus Deorum, or with monotheistic secularists who mock our Gods, insult our Sacerdotes, and who try to reverse the Vedian Constitution that once protected the Collegia from the abuses of this rebellious Consul Impius ? Where is the true center of Nova Roma, with the majority of the Senate and its Citizens, or with some rump senate of a few individuals and a Consul Impius who no longer holds any auctoritas from the Gods?

No, it is not I who resigns, but Albucius and his insurgents who have already resigned from Nova Roma.

Nova Roma est divisa in partes duae. Ego cultor Deorum sum; Rem Publicam defendam.


Vade in pace Deorum

M. Moravius Piscinus

Pontifex Maximus
Magister Collegii Augurum
Senator Consularius
Civis Rei Publicae Populi Novae Romae



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Vedius <vedius@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> On 11/1/2010 7:25 AM, marcushoratius wrote:
> > Very, very, very many words that end up saying very, very, very little.
> >
>
> So are you renouncing your Citizenship, or not? You exhort others to
> leave; are you leaving as well?
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> Pater Patriae
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81457 From: Vedius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salve Marci Moravi,

Thank for you the clarification of your intentions.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

On 11/1/2010 11:19 AM, marcushoratius wrote:
> Salve Flavi Vedi
>
> No. I am not resigning from anything. Nor am I resigning myself to the abuses and usurptation by the Consul Impius and his rump Senate. Nova Roma is composed of the Senate and the People. It is not merely a couple of lists. The majority of the Senate stand behind Consul Quintilianus. The majority of the Collegium Pontificum stand behind me as the Pontifex Maximus, as do the cultores Deorum that make Nova Roma at all relevent. And the majority of our Citizens also stand behind Consul Quintilianus and the Res Publica. Whatever Albucius and his faithless insurgents hold onto is no longer part of our Res Publica. There is no reason that I or that any of the majority should resign from a group that has already departed from us, from our civitas, and from our Res Publica.
>
> You, Vedi, as a pater patriae, should know that Nova Roma was founded to support and promote the religio Romana. Under Aurelianus and then myself, our Collegia have been revitalized, and that has paid off with so many sacra publica and a restoration the cultus Deorum. So I ask you, where does the real Nova Roma lie? At its heart among those who keep alive the cultus Deorum, or with monotheistic secularists who mock our Gods, insult our Sacerdotes, and who try to reverse the Vedian Constitution that once protected the Collegia from the abuses of this rebellious Consul Impius ? Where is the true center of Nova Roma, with the majority of the Senate and its Citizens, or with some rump senate of a few individuals and a Consul Impius who no longer holds any auctoritas from the Gods?
>
> No, it is not I who resigns, but Albucius and his insurgents who have already resigned from Nova Roma.
>
> Nova Roma est divisa in partes duae. Ego cultor Deorum sum; Rem Publicam defendam.
>
>
> Vade in pace Deorum
>
> M. Moravius Piscinus
>
> Pontifex Maximus
> Magister Collegii Augurum
> Senator Consularius
> Civis Rei Publicae Populi Novae Romae
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Vedius<vedius@...> wrote:
>> Salve,
>>
>> On 11/1/2010 7:25 AM, marcushoratius wrote:
>>> Very, very, very many words that end up saying very, very, very little.
>>>
>> So are you renouncing your Citizenship, or not? You exhort others to
>> leave; are you leaving as well?
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
>> Pater Patriae
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81458 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Caesar sal.
 
Such remarkable hubris on the part of Piscinus. He commits treason more than a few times over and then deems, on his own say so, who has left Nova Roma.
 
This is all his usual bluff and puff. Piscinus says, with great determination, so it must be true? Nonsense on his part.
 
Piscinus is a self-proclaimed traitor to the laws and principles of Nova Roma. He stands condemned by his intrigues to establish a dictatorship, by his repeated ejection of senators and now his religious colleagues from the CP list, which clearly he claims rights of ownership over (despite having prosecuted Cincinnatus for allegedly the very same thing) and by his intention to remain in Nova Roma, establishing his own organization whilst utilizing institutions that belong to Nova Roma, not to Piscinus.
 
Piscinus is the one who has obviously departed from Nova Roma and he clearly neither has the honour nor good graces to do what all those in the past who have made statements such as he did at the conventus, about not caring about Nova Roma and preparing to leave, have done - namely resign.
 
It is Piscinus who should go and stop all this drivel about people leaving Nova Roma, a charge levied by him simply because they oppose him. Piscinus, and this may come as a shock to him, isn't Nova Roma. Those of us who stand by Consul Albucius and republican consular government were not the ones that engaged in plotting to install a dicatator or drawing up purge lists. We are not the ones who have gone on record as committing to set up rival organizations, while remaining in Nova Roma.
 
Optime valete
Cn Iulius Caesar


--- On Mon, 11/1/10, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...> wrote:


From: marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 9:19 AM


Salve Flavi Vedi

No. I am not resigning from anything. Nor am I resigning myself to the abuses and usurptation by the Consul Impius and his rump Senate.  Nova Roma is composed

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81459 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: The act of a shameful tyran.
C. Petronius Dexter omnibus civibus s.p.d.,

Piscinus as owner of the Collegium Pontificum list removed me from this list and decided alone that I was not yet flamen Portunalis.

I beg you to not believe this man cultor deorum, he is only a guru who wants to be the pontifex maximus of Nova Roma.

Shame on him.

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
flamen Portunalis Arcoiali scribebat
Kalendis Novembribus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81460 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
C. Petronius Dexter flamen Portunalis M. Moravio Novo Catilinae s.p.d.,

> No. I am not resigning from anything.

You are resigning from the Roman virtues. You are a guru and you think that cultores deorum will follow you, but you are wrong.

From this moment, you are not the pontifex maximus, I recall you that you want to leave. You do not care Nova Roma.

But the gates of Nova Roma are open, you can get off.

Now, we have to create the true Collegium Pontificum and the true collegium augurum without you and without the traitors who are with you.

Your coup will fail a second time, you are not in the way of the Nova Roma story. You want to create a church, the religio Piscina, ok. So, go out.

Good bye.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Kalendis Novembribus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81461 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial reports - statement o
Salvete

Hispaniae report was sent to both Consules

Valete

M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/11/1 Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>

>
>
> Salvete Governors,
>
> Following my reminder below, I can but state that, at the end of pridie
> Kal. Nov. and of the legal deadline, I have received just 4 reports, below
> listed in the chronology order of their reception :
> 1/ Dacia - gov. leg. p.p. proconsul T. Iulius Sabinus ;
> 2/ Gallia - gov. leg. p.p. consul P. Memmius Albucius ;
> 3/ Italia - (former) praef. P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus ;
> 4/ Sarmatia - gov. leg. p.p. C. Antonius Costa.
>
> Valete Governors,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> consul
>
>
> ------------------------------
> To: conventvs_gvbernatorvm@yahoogroups.com
> CC: nrmagistrates@yahoogroups.com; senatusromanus@yahoogroups.com
> From: albucius_aoe@...
> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:20:46 +0200
> Subject: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial reports
>
>
> Salvete Praefecte and Governors,
>
> I remind you that, according to our rules and practices, each governor is
> to send the consuls, at worst *next Kal. Nov*., the report on the
> situation of her/his province, along with its budget for past 2763 year and
> coming ("provisional") 2764 auc..
>
> Your report will contain the following paragraphs :
> - membership
> - events
> - budget (this year and next one)
> - projects
> - organization.
>
> Your aim will be to give the Senate a quick and true image of the situation
> of your province. One or two Word-format pages are largely enough. The
> longer additional considerations may be inserted in one or several appendix.
>
> Naturally the provinces who have not been assigned a governor, or whose
> governor has resigned in her/his term with no appointed successor, are not
> to produce this report. In case of doubt, contact the consuls.
>
> Valete Praefecte and Governors, and mactote virtute,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> consul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81462 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: Another act of a shameful tyran.
Salvete Romans,

Piscinus has also removed me from the Collegium Pontificum list. I am there as a Senate observer with the full support of the law and the Senate for being there. I have never once abused by role and I demand that I be returned to the Collegium Pontificum list immediately.
 
Valete,

Ti. Galerius Paulinus
Senator





To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: jfarnoud94@...
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:56:29 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The act of a shameful tyran.






C. Petronius Dexter omnibus civibus s.p.d.,

Piscinus as owner of the Collegium Pontificum list removed me from this list and decided alone that I was not yet flamen Portunalis.

I beg you to not believe this man cultor deorum, he is only a guru who wants to be the pontifex maximus of Nova Roma.

Shame on him.

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
flamen Portunalis Arcoiali scribebat
Kalendis Novembribus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81463 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: Taxes - notice from censor Iulius Sabinus
Ave Sabine,

> I use this occasion to remind to those concerned and responsible under the law, that there are religious officials who currently are counted as non payers (capite censi). They are:
> K. Fabius Buteo Modianus – pontifex, augur, lictor.
> M. Moravius Piscinus – pontifex, augur, lictor.
> M. Antonius Grillus Graecus – pontifex.
> C. Iulius Iulianus – flamen.

So Piscinus cannot be a pontifex nor a flamen neither an augur, Modianus too cannot be pontifex neither augur...

So, as Piscinus is the owner of the CP list and the CA list, and because he removed me flamen Portunalis assiduus and you Sabinus pontifex assiduus from the CP list, I beg that officially be created the list of the CP of Nova Roma and the CA list of Nova Roma in which will go the assidui sacerdotes and not the traitors.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
flamen Portunalis Arcoiali scribebat
Kalendis Novembribus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81464 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Roma] TO ALL
L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.


Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:

"Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and
recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
perversion of our Res Publica."

Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because a
few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.

So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to make a
list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.

By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate, not
the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which have
no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens (let
the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to consul
Albucius).

Optime valete,
Livia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81465 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Roma] TO
Ave,

He does not need to officially appoint himself to that temporary job. He has imperium - how convenient you forget livia.

Vale,

Sulla


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:28 PM, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:

> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>
> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and
> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
> perversion of our Res Publica."
>
> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because a
> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>
> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to make a
> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>
> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate, not
> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which have
> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens (let
> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to consul
> Albucius).
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81466 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Roma] TO
Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate control not under
the consul control.

M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>

>
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>
> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise
> and
> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
>
> perversion of our Res Publica."
>
> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because a
>
> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>
> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to make
> a
> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>
> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate, not
> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which have
>
> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens (let
>
> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to consul
> Albucius).
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81467 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Ave,

Someone does not remember their Roman history!

I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional reforms.

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:

> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate control not under the consul control.
>
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>
> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and
> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
> perversion of our Res Publica."
>
> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because a
> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>
> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to make a
> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>
> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate, not
> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which have
> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens (let
> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to consul
> Albucius).
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81468 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Salve

not. Someone does not respect our leges.

Vale

M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>

>
>
> Ave,
>
> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
>
> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional reforms.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate control not
> under the consul control.
> >
> >
> > M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> > PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> >
> > 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
> >
> > "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise
> and
> > recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> > controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
> secular
> > perversion of our Res Publica."
> >
> > Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because
> a
> > few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
> > office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
> > temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
> > downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
> >
> > So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to
> make a
> > list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
> >
> > By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
> > provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
> > provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate,
> not
> > the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which
> have
> > no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens
> (let
> > the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to
> consul
> > Albucius).
> >
> > Optime valete,
> > Livia
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81469 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Ave,

And that person's name is piscinus!

Vale,

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:

> Salve
>
> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
>
> Vale
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>
>
>>
>>
>> Ave,
>>
>> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
>>
>> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional reforms.
>>
>>
>> Vale
>>
>> Sulla
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate control not
>> under the consul control.
>>>
>>>
>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>
>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>>>
>>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>>>
>>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise
>> and
>>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
>>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
>> secular
>>> perversion of our Res Publica."
>>>
>>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because
>> a
>>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
>>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
>>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
>>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>>>
>>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to
>> make a
>>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>>>
>>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
>>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
>>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate,
>> not
>>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which
>> have
>>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens
>> (let
>>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to
>> consul
>>> Albucius).
>>>
>>> Optime valete,
>>> Livia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81470 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
I really was referring to the consul Albucius , but if you want to include
you in the group sure he will welcome you.

M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>

>
>
> Ave,
>
> And that person's name is piscinus!
>
> Vale,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Salve
> >
> > not. Someone does not respect our leges.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> > PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> >
> > 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Ave,
> >>
> >> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
> >>
> >> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional reforms.
> >>
> >>
> >> Vale
> >>
> >> Sulla
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate control not
> >> under the consul control.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>
> >>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
> >>>
> >>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
> >>>
> >>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I
> advise
> >> and
> >>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> >>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
> >> secular
> >>> perversion of our Res Publica."
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late,
> because
> >> a
> >>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
> >>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
> >>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
> >>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
> >>>
> >>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to
> >> make a
> >>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
> >>>
> >>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
> >>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me
> that
> >>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate,
> >> not
> >>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which
> >> have
> >>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens
> >> (let
> >>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to
> >> consul
> >>> Albucius).
> >>>
> >>> Optime valete,
> >>> Livia
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81471 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Salve.
 
Aren't you the expert on not respecting leges?
 
Vale
Caesar



--- On Mon, 11/1/10, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:


From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...>
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Roma] TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "comitiapopulitributa@yahoogroups.com" <comitiapopulitributa@yahoogroups.com>, "comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com" <comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com>, "novaromacomitiacenturiata@yahoogroups.com" <novaromacomitiacenturiata@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 11:46 AM


 



Salve


not. Someone does not respect our leges.


Vale

M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima



2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>


 



Ave,

Someone does not remember their Roman history!

I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional reforms.


Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone




On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:

> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate control not under the consul control.
>
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>
> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and
> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
> perversion of our Res Publica."
>
> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because a
> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>
> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to make a
> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>
> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate, not
> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which have
> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens (let
> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to consul
> Albucius).
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81472 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Ave,

Your reference is flawed (I know big shock). You do realize this would never had happen if he did what you or I did and that is to pay his tax! You did better than piscinus!

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:53 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:

> I really was referring to the consul Albucius , but if you want to include
> you in the group sure he will welcome you.
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>
>
>>
>>
>> Ave,
>>
>> And that person's name is piscinus!
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Salve
>>>
>>> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
>>>
>>> Vale
>>>
>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>
>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ave,
>>>>
>>>> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
>>>>
>>>> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional reforms.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vale
>>>>
>>>> Sulla
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate control not
>>>> under the consul control.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>
>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I
>> advise
>>>> and
>>>>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
>>>>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
>>>> secular
>>>>> perversion of our Res Publica."
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late,
>> because
>>>> a
>>>>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
>>>>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
>>>>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
>>>>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>>>>>
>>>>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to
>>>> make a
>>>>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
>>>>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me
>> that
>>>>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate,
>>>> not
>>>>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which
>>>> have
>>>>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens
>>>> (let
>>>>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to
>>>> consul
>>>>> Albucius).
>>>>>
>>>>> Optime valete,
>>>>> Livia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81473 From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: de Collegio Pontificum
Q Caecilius Metellus Senatui Populoque Quiritium Romano s.d.

Saluete Omnes:

Given the current state of affairs regarding the Collegium Pontificum,
until a more permanent solution can be found, I volunteer the
Sacerdotes Publici list for the use of the Collegium Pontificum for
the remainder of the calendar year. While the mailing list was
originally intended for use by the sacerdotes of Nova Roma, during the
time it is used by the Collegium Pontificum, I will unfortunately be
removing from the list all current subscribers barring the current
team of owners and moderators. For the duration of its use for
deliberation by the Collegium Pontificum, I ask any Senator wishing to
observe those deliberations, as well as the remaining members of the
Collegium Pontificum, to write me privately to receive an invitation.

The group and mailing list are accessible via the following:

Sacerdotes-Publici@yahoogroups.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sacerdotes-Publici/

Di Nos Romanos Ament!

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus
Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81474 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae
Salve Livia,

Please next time avoid the "hail", which evokes a nazi past which is not really appropriate here, even to the support that you bring here, as you were supposed to do, to your friend.

Then I inform you that there are still places over the world who are not controlled by me, like your brain, for if it were, you would not speak like you do. ;-)

On our provinces, this is simple : provinces are rules by governors appointed by the Senate. In case of emergency, and specially when the governor resigns with no previous delay, the consuls are to assume the continuity of the State and use their imperium consulare to act if necessary at the place of the governors. The rule is not new, for it was yet applied in ancient Rome.

Fyi, the Senate has been duly informed, and I will complete its information either during next session, or in the next one.

The fact that provinces without governors may have a list, whose working is managed by the cives, has no relation with our matter : the matter is not about the management of the list, but of a territorial unit as a whole.

Then, you well know that Praef. Placidus have finally wished to resign before Dec. 31, and though both my colleague and I would have wished that he may stay in office 2 additional months.

Italia will be proposed a successor to Placidus aed., by a vote of our Senate and on a consular proposal, once the conditions of this succession will have been prepared at best, and no later than next Dec. 31.

Vale,


Albucius cos.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>
> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and
> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
> perversion of our Res Publica."
>
> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because a
> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>
> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to make a
> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>
> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate, not
> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which have
> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens (let
> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to consul
> Albucius).
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81475 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.

I DISASSOCIATE myself from Nova Roma in its current state of impiety. I DO
NOT RECOGNIZE Nova Roma in its current state as an organization representing
the needs of the cultores deorum, and even less as a State capable of
maintaining the Pax Deorum.

I do not recognize P. Memmius Albucius, Q. Caecilius Metellus and C.
Petronius Dexter as bona fide cultores deorum.

Religious activities so far have been due mostly to the dedication of
individual people, and not to any help, financial, moral, or otherwise, that
Nova Roma has provided.

As a citizen, I stay in Nova Roma, but as a cultrix, I will never again
perform or participate in a ceremony in the name of Nova Roma, as long as
I'm not satisfied that it represents and promotes the cultus deorum.

I have already resigned all civilian offices except that of censorial
scriba. It is my intention to resign this office too as soon as I finished
dealing with the applicants assigned to me, and no later than the end of
this year.

I will keep my office as a lictrix only as long as M. Moravius Piscinus is
Pontifex Maximus.

From now on (well, actually since some time now) I will consider Nova Roma
as just another association of people united by their passion for Roman
history and archaeology. Which means that I'm not leaving (sorry, you are
not getting rid of me so easily), but just that I will have to look
elsewhere in the search for a community of cultores.

Optime valete,
Livia


----- Original Message -----
From: "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM


Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex Maximus et Magister Collegii
Augurum Quiritibus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:

TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI:

Over the past two years, since October 2008 when I was adlected as Pontifex
Maximus, we have seen our Sacerdotes make great strides in restoring the
religio Romana and the Pax Deorum for our Res Publica.

Restored for the first time in over fifteen centuries were the feriae
Latinae with rites performed for Jupiter Latiaris atop Mont Albano as in the
most ancient of times.
Restored were sacrifices for Jupiter Optimus Maximus performed by Sacerdos
Iovis M. Octavius Corvus, and a new temple for Him is under construction by
the Citizens of Sarmatia.
Restored were the monthly rites for Janus and Juno at the Kalends by
Pontifex Metellus, the rites for Juno and Janus at the Nones by Pontifex
Maximus Moravius, the monthly rites for Jupiter at each Ides by Sacerdos
Iovis Corvus, the monthly rites for Vesta and additional rites of the
Virgines Vestales performed by Virgo Maxima Valeria Messallina and
Sacerdotes Vestalis G. Maria Caeca and G. Aurelia Ibera.
Restored were annual sacra publica for Concordia, Vica Poto, Carmentis,
Terminus, Venus, Pomona, Furrina, Flora, Portunus, and Palatua in addition
to the sacra publica previously established for Ceres and Mars, all
performed by our various Sacerdotes, Flamines, Flamenicae, and Pontifices.
Restored were the sacra propopuli for the Bona Dea, Mens, Venus Genetrix,
and Proserpina.
Restored was the ius Manibus celebrated at Feralia, Lemuria and Parentatio.
A special rite was held by Pontifex Maximus Moravius for one of our own,
fallen in the war in Iraq, and for all those serving in those Asian theaters
of war.
Restored were the seasonal rites of compitalia, sementivae, the Vinalia
priora and Vinalia Rustica.
New communities of cultores Deorum have been formed in distant places.
Many new Sacerdotes have been adlected, with the Collegium Pontificum better
reflecting the international character of our Res Publica. We have seen,
too, a number of candidates brought into the Camillus Program to train as
future sacerdotes.
Restored, also, is the Collegium Augurum, as well as steps begun to restore
the Collegium Decemviri sacris faciundis.
Sacerdotes took the leading roles in presenting the Ludi for our community,
in expanding our website, on innovations like the Vox Romana podcast, and in
organizing conventi.
Sacerdotes have been called upon to perform marriages for our growing
community, and called upon to offer funeral rites for our honored dead.
The costs incurred by the performance of all of these many rituals have been
donated primarily by our Sacerdotes. Last year alone Sacerdotes reported
donations of $ 10,258.63 USD and a comparable amount has been contributed by
our Sacerdotes this year. No other group of individuals has devoted so much
to our Res Publica.

Emperor Julianus the Blessed once wrote a letter in which he said, "It is
our duty to adore not only the images of the Gods, but also Their temples
and sacred precincts and altars. And it reasonable to honor the sacerdotes
also as officials and servants of the Gods; and because they minister to us
what concerns the Gods, and they lend strength to the gifts of the Gods of
good things to us; for they sacrifice amd pray on behalf odf all men. It is
therefore right that we should pay them all not less, if not indeed more,
than the honors that we pay to the magistrates of the State. And if any one
thinks that we ought to assign equal honors to them and to the magistrates
of the State, since the latter also are in some sort dedicated to the
service of the Gods, as being guardians of the laws, nevertheless we ought
at any rate to give the sacerdotes a far greater share of our good will. The
Achaeans, for instance, enjoing their kings to reverence the sacerdos,
though he was one of the enemy, whereas we do not even reverence the
sacerdotes who are our friends, and who pray and sacrifice on our behalf (Ad
Sacerdotem 296b-d)."

Ineed we should honor our Sacerdotes and the cultores Deorum as well for all
the acheivements they have performed for us. The Restitutio Pacis Deorum has
been brought forth by our sacral Collegia, our Sacerdotes, and by the
cultores Deorum. They have revitalized the Religio Romana and invigorated
community life for our Res Publica. Sacerdotes and cultores Deorum donate
their time, their services, and their money to benefit the Res Publica and
bring our Res Publica in close relationship with the Gods and Goddesses of
our ancient ancestors.

In spite of all the good our Sacerdotes have done for our Res Publica,
another element has festered and arrived from the Back Alley, spreading
derision and ridicule, slander and false rumors, obscenities and gross
insults. L. Cornelius Sulla, Q. Caecilius Metellus, C. Equitius Cato, Q.
Fabius Maximus, Ti. Galerius Paulus, C. Tullius Valerianus Q. Valerius
Poplicola, Diana Octavia Aventina, among others, plotted a "coup" in the
Back Alley to depose our elected magistrates and our duly adlected
Sacerdotes. Their actions included obscene assaults directed towards our
Virgo Maxima Vestalis and other female Sacerdotes and towards the women in
our Senate; they engaged in sexual harassment of women, especially
Sacerdotes; they assaulted the beliefs of others; made mocking assaults
against the Gods of Roma antiqua, against our traditions and our religion;
they assaulted the Collegia and the administrative authority granted by the
Constitution to our Collegia. In these and in other crimes of FALSUM,
SOLLICITUDO, and CONTUMELLA PIETATE against the Res Publica, they received
support from a minority in the Senate who excused, condoned and often times
participated in such irreverent, vulgar, and obscene behavior. As the
Sacerdotes worked to benefit all Citizens, this Back Alley group has sown
only discord and divisiveness.

The Back Alley insurrectionists crossed over the line from 'hypothetical'
discussion to open secession when they took control of a couple of lists and
began restricting the communications of elected magistrates, members of the
Senate, and Sacerdotes. They have restricted the communications of our
Sacerdotes, members of the Collegium Pontificum, and banned the Pontifex
Maximus from posting to the Religio Romana list and a list used for
instructing Sacerdotes and camilli. The Consul Impius has usurped
unconstitutional authority in many areas, including his seizure of the
Nova-Roma main list where he has prevented dissent from our Citizens who
support the coalition that forms a two-third majority of our Senate. The
actions of Consul P. Memmius Impius and his Back Alley insurgents are
illegal and unconstitutional. Nova Roma is now irrevocably divided due to
the actions by this minority faction.

The minority faction of the Consul Impius has effectively divorced itself
from the Res Publica that was once Nova Roma. Violating the Constitution
and the laws that define our civitas, these insurgents have departed from
our civil society. Having turned themselves against the Gods, thus have
they abandoned the Pax Deorum that supports the Res Publica, for which
purpose Nova Roma was founded upon. They had sought to divide Nova Roma and
now by their departure they have. I do not regard them or anything under
their control to remain a part of the Res Publica any longer.

I do not recognize Consul P. Memmius Impius as holding any auctoritas.
Without the auctoritas derived from the Gods against Whom he has turned, he
does not hold the authority to call the Senate, or any comitia, or any
tribunal. Consul P. Memmius Impius has departed from our civitas and from
our Res Publica. I do not recognize this person to hold any authority.

Consul Memmius Impius est hostis Deorum, hostis Senatus, hostis Rei
Publicae, hostis patriae. Parricida trahatur, unco trahatur, in spoliario
lanietur, hostis Deorum. Videri eum in exsilio esse, ipsi aqua et igni
placere interdici.

I do not recognize the rump third of the Nova Roma Senate, that factio of
insurgents under the Consul Impius, since they, too, have departed from our
civitas. Having abandoned the Gods and the Res Publica, the Gods have
departed from these false interlopers.

Iove omnipotens, prohibessis defendas averruncesque hostes Deorum ad rem
publicam nostram.

I disassociate myself from those impious misogynists; I avert myself from
their lies, falshoods, and slander; I denounce the divisiveness they have
fomented, and I condemn the verbal assaults and the harassment they have
made against Maxima Valeria Messallina, Equestria Iunius Laeca, M. Hortensia
Maior, L. Livia Plauta and the other women of Nova Roma. There is no excuse
for such vulgar and obscene behavior as committed by L. Cornelius Sulla, Q.
Fabius Maximus, Q. Caecilius Metellus, and others. In the last two years we
have lost six of our eight Senatrices, nearly all citing these individuals
as a reason for their departure. No less do I condemn the hostility these
people have shown towards the Gods, towards the cultores Deorum, and towards
the Sacerdotes of the religio Romana. The hatred that these individuals
project towards women and towards our religious community of cultores Deorum
is not consistent with an organization founded as multicultural and tolerant
Res Publica dedicated to restoring the Religio Romana. While the Collegia
have worked effectively towards accomplishing restoration of the Religio
Romana with the support of two-thirds of the Senate, others have set
themselves against the ideals and the principles of our Res Publica. We must
recognize that the Consul Impius and his allies have now departed and are no
longer part of the Res Publica.

Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and
recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
perversion of our Res Publica. As they have departed from the Gods and from
the Res Publica, so now ought we to depart from them. The future of the
Religio Romana will not be found among the impious secularists who departed
with P Memmius Impius. The future of the Religio Romana will instead grow
among the cultores Deorum, within the local religious communities we create
together, with the Sacerdotes chosen by comreligionists, and with the
Collegia of the Res Publica Senatus Populique. It is here that our focus
must remain, in order to build upon all the success we have had these past
two years. Thus should all cultores Deorum take their leave from that band
of faithless renegades.


Valete in pace Deorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81476 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial reports - statement o
Salve Proconsul,

I saw, during these last weeks, that e-mails had some difficulties to cross, from south to north, the Pyrenaei mountains.

I have sincerely not received your report yet, and I am sorry if I might have ever some technical responsibility in (?). I have no difficulty to receive messages from Italia, Panonnia, Germania, Dacia, and we should find a way fixing the possible difficulty, if stated.

As you already sent it to both consuls, pls just forward your initial sending. It will take you 2 minutes, at worst ! :-)


Vale,


Albucius cos.





To: CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM@yahoogroups.com
CC: nrmagistrates@yahoogroups.com; nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
From: complutensis@...
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:27:01 +0100
Subject: [NRmagistrates] Re: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial reports - statement of the received reports






Salvete


Hispaniae report was sent to both Consules


Valete


M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

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ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima



2010/11/1 Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>






Salvete Governors,

Following my reminder below, I can but state that, at the end of pridie Kal. Nov. and of the legal deadline, I have received just 4 reports, below listed in the chronology order of their reception :
1/ Dacia - gov. leg. p.p. proconsul T. Iulius Sabinus ;
2/ Gallia - gov. leg. p.p. consul P. Memmius Albucius ;
3/ Italia - (former) praef. P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus ;
4/ Sarmatia - gov. leg. p.p. C. Antonius Costa.

Valete Governors,


P. Memmius Albucius
consul




To: conventvs_gvbernatorvm@yahoogroups.com
CC: nrmagistrates@yahoogroups.com; senatusromanus@yahoogroups.com
From: albucius_aoe@...
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:20:46 +0200
Subject: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial reports




Salvete Praefecte and Governors,

I remind you that, according to our rules and practices, each governor is to send the consuls, at worst next Kal. Nov., the report on the situation of her/his province, along with its budget for past 2763 year and coming ("provisional") 2764 auc..

Your report will contain the following paragraphs :
- membership
- events
- budget (this year and next one)
- projects
- organization.

Your aim will be to give the Senate a quick and true image of the situation of your province. One or two Word-format pages are largely enough. The longer additional considerations may be inserted in one or several appendix.

Naturally the provinces who have not been assigned a governor, or whose governor has resigned in her/his term with no appointed successor, are not to produce this report. In case of doubt, contact the consuls.

Valete Praefecte and Governors, and mactote virtute,


P. Memmius Albucius
consul














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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81477 From: M. Valerius Chlorus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Chloro Omnibus Sal.

At the moment I do not have a solid opinion about this matter, but if
there are to parties claiming the majority, why not put it to a vote
open to all citizens?

Optime Valete!

*M. Valerius Chlorus*
/-Sodalitas Militarium-/
*Decurio Princeps*

On 01/11/10 16:31, Vedius wrote:
>
> Salve Marci Moravi,
>
> Thank for you the clarification of your intentions.
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> Pater Patriae
>
> On 11/1/2010 11:19 AM, marcushoratius wrote:
> > Salve Flavi Vedi
> >
> > No. I am not resigning from anything. Nor am I resigning myself to
> the abuses and usurptation by the Consul Impius and his rump Senate.
> Nova Roma is composed of the Senate and the People. It is not merely a
> couple of lists. The majority of the Senate stand behind Consul
> Quintilianus. The majority of the Collegium Pontificum stand behind me
> as the Pontifex Maximus, as do the cultores Deorum that make Nova Roma
> at all relevent. And the majority of our Citizens also stand behind
> Consul Quintilianus and the Res Publica. Whatever Albucius and his
> faithless insurgents hold onto is no longer part of our Res Publica.
> There is no reason that I or that any of the majority should resign
> from a group that has already departed from us, from our civitas, and
> from our Res Publica.
> >
> > You, Vedi, as a pater patriae, should know that Nova Roma was
> founded to support and promote the religio Romana. Under Aurelianus
> and then myself, our Collegia have been revitalized, and that has paid
> off with so many sacra publica and a restoration the cultus Deorum. So
> I ask you, where does the real Nova Roma lie? At its heart among those
> who keep alive the cultus Deorum, or with monotheistic secularists who
> mock our Gods, insult our Sacerdotes, and who try to reverse the
> Vedian Constitution that once protected the Collegia from the abuses
> of this rebellious Consul Impius ? Where is the true center of Nova
> Roma, with the majority of the Senate and its Citizens, or with some
> rump senate of a few individuals and a Consul Impius who no longer
> holds any auctoritas from the Gods?
> >
> > No, it is not I who resigns, but Albucius and his insurgents who
> have already resigned from Nova Roma.
> >
> > Nova Roma est divisa in partes duae. Ego cultor Deorum sum; Rem
> Publicam defendam.
> >
> >
> > Vade in pace Deorum
> >
> > M. Moravius Piscinus
> >
> > Pontifex Maximus
> > Magister Collegii Augurum
> > Senator Consularius
> > Civis Rei Publicae Populi Novae Romae
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Vedius<vedius@...> wrote:
> >> Salve,
> >>
> >> On 11/1/2010 7:25 AM, marcushoratius wrote:
> >>> Very, very, very many words that end up saying very, very, very
> little.
> >>>
> >> So are you renouncing your Citizenship, or not? You exhort others to
> >> leave; are you leaving as well?
> >>
> >> Vale,
> >>
> >> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> >> Pater Patriae
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81478 From: M. Valerius Chlorus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Chloro Omnibus Sal.

At the moment I do not have a solid opinion about this matter, but if
there are to parties claiming the majority, why not put it to a vote
open to all citizens?

Optime Valete!

*M. Valerius Chlorus*
Sodalitas Militarium:
*Decurio Princeps*


On 01/11/10 16:19, marcushoratius wrote:
>
> Salve Flavi Vedi
>
> No. I am not resigning from anything. Nor am I resigning myself to the
> abuses and usurptation by the Consul Impius and his rump Senate. Nova
> Roma is composed of the Senate and the People. It is not merely a
> couple of lists. The majority of the Senate stand behind Consul
> Quintilianus. The majority of the Collegium Pontificum stand behind me
> as the Pontifex Maximus, as do the cultores Deorum that make Nova Roma
> at all relevent. And the majority of our Citizens also stand behind
> Consul Quintilianus and the Res Publica. Whatever Albucius and his
> faithless insurgents hold onto is no longer part of our Res Publica.
> There is no reason that I or that any of the majority should resign
> from a group that has already departed from us, from our civitas, and
> from our Res Publica.
>
> You, Vedi, as a pater patriae, should know that Nova Roma was founded
> to support and promote the religio Romana. Under Aurelianus and then
> myself, our Collegia have been revitalized, and that has paid off with
> so many sacra publica and a restoration the cultus Deorum. So I ask
> you, where does the real Nova Roma lie? At its heart among those who
> keep alive the cultus Deorum, or with monotheistic secularists who
> mock our Gods, insult our Sacerdotes, and who try to reverse the
> Vedian Constitution that once protected the Collegia from the abuses
> of this rebellious Consul Impius ? Where is the true center of Nova
> Roma, with the majority of the Senate and its Citizens, or with some
> rump senate of a few individuals and a Consul Impius who no longer
> holds any auctoritas from the Gods?
>
> No, it is not I who resigns, but Albucius and his insurgents who have
> already resigned from Nova Roma.
>
> Nova Roma est divisa in partes duae. Ego cultor Deorum sum; Rem
> Publicam defendam.
>
> Vade in pace Deorum
>
> M. Moravius Piscinus
>
> Pontifex Maximus
> Magister Collegii Augurum
> Senator Consularius
> Civis Rei Publicae Populi Novae Romae
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Vedius <vedius@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > On 11/1/2010 7:25 AM, marcushoratius wrote:
> > > Very, very, very many words that end up saying very, very, very
> little.
> > >
> >
> > So are you renouncing your Citizenship, or not? You exhort others to
> > leave; are you leaving as well?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> > Pater Patriae
> >
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81479 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
No caro Iulio

in NR there is only one expert, he proclaimed himself.


M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/11/1 Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>

>
>
> Salve.
>
> Aren't you the expert on not respecting leges?
>
> Vale
> Caesar
>
> --- On Mon, 11/1/10, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus
> Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Roma] TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "comitiapopulitributa@yahoogroups.com<comitiapopulitributa%40yahoogroups.com>"
> <comitiapopulitributa@yahoogroups.com<comitiapopulitributa%40yahoogroups.com>>,
> "comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com<comitiaplebistributa%40yahoogroups.com>"
> <comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com<comitiaplebistributa%40yahoogroups.com>>,
> "novaromacomitiacenturiata@yahoogroups.com<novaromacomitiacenturiata%40yahoogroups.com>"
> <novaromacomitiacenturiata@yahoogroups.com<novaromacomitiacenturiata%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 11:46 AM
>
>
>
>
> Salve
>
> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
>
> Vale
>
> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>
>
>
>
> Ave,
>
> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
>
> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional reforms.
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate control not
> under the consul control.
> >
> >
> > M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> > PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> >
> > 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
> >
> > "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise
> and
> > recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> > controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
> secular
> > perversion of our Res Publica."
> >
> > Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because
> a
> > few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
> > office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
> > temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
> > downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
> >
> > So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to
> make a
> > list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
> >
> > By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
> > provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
> > provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate,
> not
> > the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which
> have
> > no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens
> (let
> > the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to
> consul
> > Albucius).
> >
> > Optime valete,
> > Livia
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81480 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Flawed? Why?


M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>

>
>
> Ave,
>
> Your reference is flawed (I know big shock). You do realize this would
> never had happen if he did what you or I did and that is to pay his tax! You
> did better than piscinus!
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:53 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > I really was referring to the consul Albucius , but if you want to
> include
> > you in the group sure he will welcome you.
> >
> > M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> > PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> >
> > 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Ave,
> >>
> >> And that person's name is piscinus!
> >>
> >> Vale,
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Salve
> >>>
> >>> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
> >>>
> >>> Vale
> >>>
> >>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>
> >>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ave,
> >>>>
> >>>> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
> >>>>
> >>>> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional reforms.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Vale
> >>>>
> >>>> Sulla
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >
> >> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate control
> not
> >>>> under the consul control.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>
> >>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I
> >> advise
> >>>> and
> >>>>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> >>>>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
> >>>> secular
> >>>>> perversion of our Res Publica."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late,
> >> because
> >>>> a
> >>>>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from
> his
> >>>>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
> >>>>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
> >>>>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to
> >>>> make a
> >>>>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
> >>>>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me
> >> that
> >>>>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the
> Senate,
> >>>> not
> >>>>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia,
> which
> >>>> have
> >>>>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local
> citizens
> >>>> (let
> >>>>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to
> >>>> consul
> >>>>> Albucius).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Optime valete,
> >>>>> Livia
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
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>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81481 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
C. Petronius Liviae Plautae sal.,

> I do not recognize P. Memmius Albucius, Q. Caecilius Metellus and C. Petronius Dexter as bona fide cultores deorum.

Saying that you look like the christian inquisition.

It is a pity, with Piscinus we have a guru, and with you a christian inquisitrix...

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Kalendis Novembribus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81482 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Ave,

First aren't you supposed to use latin greetings?

Second, aren't you a lawyer too? Though given the trial of Cincinnatus would give one pause if they ever employed you if they saw how you handled that trial!

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:16 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:

> Flawed? Why?
>
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>
>
>>
>>
>> Ave,
>>
>> Your reference is flawed (I know big shock). You do realize this would
>> never had happen if he did what you or I did and that is to pay his tax! You
>> did better than piscinus!
>>
>> Vale
>>
>> Sulla
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:53 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I really was referring to the consul Albucius , but if you want to
>> include
>>> you in the group sure he will welcome you.
>>>
>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>
>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ave,
>>>>
>>>> And that person's name is piscinus!
>>>>
>>>> Vale,
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Salve
>>>>>
>>>>> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vale
>>>>>
>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>
>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional reforms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sulla
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate control
>> not
>>>>>> under the consul control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I
>>>> advise
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
>>>>>>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
>>>>>> secular
>>>>>>> perversion of our Res Publica."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late,
>>>> because
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from
>> his
>>>>>>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
>>>>>>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
>>>>>>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to
>>>>>> make a
>>>>>>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
>>>>>>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me
>>>> that
>>>>>>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the
>> Senate,
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia,
>> which
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local
>> citizens
>>>>>> (let
>>>>>>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to
>>>>>> consul
>>>>>>> Albucius).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Optime valete,
>>>>>>> Livia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81483 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [NRmagistrates] RE: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial r
Salve Consul

irony can be funny sometimes, if properly used, this time I received the
Delivery Status Notification (Falilure). Is not a problem of crossing
mountains is a problem with your email address.

See the forwarded message:

--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon@...>
Date: 2010/11/1
Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
To: complutensis@...


Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

albucius_aoe@...

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the
recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for
further information about the cause of this error. The error that the
other server returned was: 550 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox
unavailable (state 14).

----- Original message -----

Received: by 10.229.74.65 with SMTP id t1mr4079006qcj.279.1288632339281;
Mon,
01 Nov 2010 10:25:39 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.229.99.198 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:25:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=B7CVR=B7COMPLVTENSIS?= <complutensis@...>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:25:18 +0100
Message-ID: <AANLkTikt9zjER_TwLpXE8YZCW0VJqs5FeUB5317fy15A@...>
Subject: ANNUAL REPORT FROM HISPANIA
To: Christer Edling <christer.edling@...>
Cc: Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

M. Curiatius Complutensis Proconsul Hispaniae Consulibus SPD

Salve here is the annual report:

Annual Report for Provincia Hispania 2010 CE

Provincial Magistrates

Magisterial staff has grown this year in line with decreasing
provincial activity.

Hispania has the following Praetorium:

PROCONSUL:

Marcus Curiatius Complutensis

SCRIBAE :

Gaius Cocceius Spinula


This year the region of Lusitania have a dedicated legate: Gaius
Cocceius Spinula. The continued levels of inactivity in that region
are finished.




Provincial List

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NRHispania/ remains the dedicated
mailing list for citizens of Hispania and those with an interest in
our provincia.



Web Site

Our provincial website is at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_%28Nova_Roma%29.






Provincial Gatherings


- March: Merida
- August: Calpe
- October: Ercarvica


Provincial Newsletter and newspaper


For this year the provincial newsletter is still
http://commentariola.blogspot.com

Actually we are working in the blog http://novaromahispania.blogspot.com


Oppidum Complutum

Complutum is the second Oppidum founded in Nova Roma according the Lex
Fabia de Oppidis et Municipis,

This year the Oppidum was inactive.


Collaborations in defence of the patrimony:

�Defensa del Acueducto Romano de Penyacortada� (defence of roman
aqueduct in Penya Cortada),

�Defensa de la Villa Romana de l�Enova� (defence of roman Villa in L�Enova)


Religio

This year was the year of the Religio Romana, we have a small group of
10-15 citizens who have performed several rites and sacrifices to the
goods.



Budget

The 100% of the collected taxes was forwarded to the Treasury of Nova Roma

Provincial expenses: 22 Euros telephone and mail expenses (paid in
full by proconsul)


2764 A.V.C.

I do not expect an immediate recovery of the provincial activity but I
hope that participation levels remain the same as for this year
M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/11/1 Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>

>
>
> Salve Proconsul,
>
> I saw, during these last weeks, that e-mails had some difficulties to
> cross, from south to north, the Pyrenaei mountains.
>
> I have sincerely not received your report yet, and I am sorry if I might
> have ever some technical responsibility in (?). I have no difficulty to
> receive messages from Italia, Panonnia, Germania, Dacia, and we should find
> a way fixing the possible difficulty, if stated.
>
> As you already sent it to both consuls, pls just forward your initial
> sending. It will take you 2 minutes, at worst ! :-)
>
>
> Vale,
>
>
> Albucius cos.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> To: CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM@yahoogroups.com
> CC: nrmagistrates@yahoogroups.com; nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: complutensis@...
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:27:01 +0100
> Subject: [NRmagistrates] Re: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial
> reports - statement of the received reports
>
>
> Salvete
>
> Hispaniae report was sent to both Consules
>
> Valete
>
> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> 2010/11/1 Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
>
>
>
> Salvete Governors,
>
> Following my reminder below, I can but state that, at the end of pridie
> Kal. Nov. and of the legal deadline, I have received just 4 reports, below
> listed in the chronology order of their reception :
> 1/ Dacia - gov. leg. p.p. proconsul T. Iulius Sabinus ;
> 2/ Gallia - gov. leg. p.p. consul P. Memmius Albucius ;
> 3/ Italia - (former) praef. P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus ;
> 4/ Sarmatia - gov. leg. p.p. C. Antonius Costa.
>
> Valete Governors,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> consul
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> To: conventvs_gvbernatorvm@yahoogroups.com
> CC: nrmagistrates@yahoogroups.com; senatusromanus@yahoogroups.com
> From: albucius_aoe@...
> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:20:46 +0200
> Subject: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial reports
>
>
> Salvete Praefecte and Governors,
>
> I remind you that, according to our rules and practices, each governor is
> to send the consuls, at worst *next Kal. Nov*., the report on the
> situation of her/his province, along with its budget for past 2763 year and
> coming ("provisional") 2764 auc..
>
> Your report will contain the following paragraphs :
> - membership
> - events
> - budget (this year and next one)
> - projects
> - organization.
>
> Your aim will be to give the Senate a quick and true image of the situation
> of your province. One or two Word-format pages are largely enough. The
> longer additional considerations may be inserted in one or several appendix.
>
> Naturally the provinces who have not been assigned a governor, or whose
> governor has resigned in her/his term with no appointed successor, are not
> to produce this report. In case of doubt, contact the consuls.
>
> Valete Praefecte and Governors, and mactote virtute,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> consul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81484 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Salve atque vale

As always you claim things that you can not defend.

What I am or what I did is not important at this time.

I have asked you a question and there is no answer.

M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>

>
>
> Ave,
>
> First aren't you supposed to use latin greetings?
>
> Second, aren't you a lawyer too? Though given the trial of Cincinnatus
> would give one pause if they ever employed you if they saw how you handled
> that trial!
>
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:16 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Flawed? Why?
> >
> >
> > M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> > PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> >
> > 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Ave,
> >>
> >> Your reference is flawed (I know big shock). You do realize this would
> >> never had happen if he did what you or I did and that is to pay his tax!
> You
> >> did better than piscinus!
> >>
> >> Vale
> >>
> >> Sulla
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:53 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I really was referring to the consul Albucius , but if you want to
> >> include
> >>> you in the group sure he will welcome you.
> >>>
> >>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>
> >>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ave,
> >>>>
> >>>> And that person's name is piscinus!
> >>>>
> >>>> Vale,
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >
> >> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Salve
> >>>>>
> >>>>> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vale
> >>>>>
> >>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>
> >>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional reforms.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sulla
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate control
> >> not
> >>>>>> under the consul control.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I
> >>>> advise
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from
> lists
> >>>>>>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
> >>>>>> secular
> >>>>>>> perversion of our Res Publica."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late,
> >>>> because
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from
> >> his
> >>>>>>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed
> himself
> >>>>>>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list
> and
> >>>>>>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful
> to
> >>>>>> make a
> >>>>>>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing
> himself
> >>>>>>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me
> >>>> that
> >>>>>>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the
> >> Senate,
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia,
> >> which
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local
> >> citizens
> >>>>>> (let
> >>>>>>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to
> >>>>>> consul
> >>>>>>> Albucius).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Optime valete,
> >>>>>>> Livia
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81485 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae
Salve Albuci,
"hail" is an Old English word which means "salute". Because of its very
formal nature it is often used ironically.
I'm glad you do not control my brain. LOL! Would you wish to? It might be
awkward for you, in a woman's body.

Everything you say about the provinces does not imply the necessity of
becoming the owner of a list that already had an owner.

By the way, have you asked yourself why I still consider Piscinus as a
friend, while I do not consider you as such, even if two years ago, when we
all met, both of you were equally high in my regard?
No? And probably it didn't catch your attention that so many other people
who were friendly with you have now turned their back on you, or if it did
you might think it's a coincidence, like the guy driving on the wrong side
of the motorway, who keeps wondering why all the other cars come in the
opposite direction and keep blowing their horns.

Of course if you have a few friends with you you might succeed in driving
the other cars off the motorway, or turning a right-hand circulation system
into a left-hand one, but was it worth the accidents?

Optime vale,
Livia


----- Original Message -----
From: "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 7:04 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae


Salve Livia,

Please next time avoid the "hail", which evokes a nazi past which is not
really appropriate here, even to the support that you bring here, as you
were supposed to do, to your friend.

Then I inform you that there are still places over the world who are not
controlled by me, like your brain, for if it were, you would not speak like
you do. ;-)

On our provinces, this is simple : provinces are rules by governors
appointed by the Senate. In case of emergency, and specially when the
governor resigns with no previous delay, the consuls are to assume the
continuity of the State and use their imperium consulare to act if necessary
at the place of the governors. The rule is not new, for it was yet applied
in ancient Rome.

Fyi, the Senate has been duly informed, and I will complete its information
either during next session, or in the next one.

The fact that provinces without governors may have a list, whose working is
managed by the cives, has no relation with our matter : the matter is not
about the management of the list, but of a territorial unit as a whole.

Then, you well know that Praef. Placidus have finally wished to resign
before Dec. 31, and though both my colleague and I would have wished that he
may stay in office 2 additional months.

Italia will be proposed a successor to Placidus aed., by a vote of our
Senate and on a consular proposal, once the conditions of this succession
will have been prepared at best, and no later than next Dec. 31.

Vale,


Albucius cos.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...>
wrote:
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>
> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise
> and
> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
> secular
> perversion of our Res Publica."
>
> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because
> a
> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>
> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to make
> a
> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>
> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate, not
> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which
> have
> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens
> (let
> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to consul
> Albucius).
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81486 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Fw: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Ro
L. Livia Plauta omnibus sal.

Well, apparently the Comitia Plebis Tributa list is owned by a minion of
Albucius, who took upon herself the task of censoring dissent (see quoted
message).

Optime valete,
Livia


----- Original Message -----
From: "V" <enodia2002@...>
To: <ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re:
[Nova-Roma] TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)


V Rutilia Enodiaria Liviae Plautae spd.

Thank you for your comments. I will immediately unsubscribe you from this
list.


Optime vale,

V Rutilia Enodiaria
Listowner


Fide cani




________________________________
From: L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com;
comitiapopulitributa@yahoogroups.com;
novaromacomitiacenturiata@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 10:28:27 AM
Subject: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Roma]
TO
ALL CULTORES DEORUM)


L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.

Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:

"Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and
recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
perversion of our Res Publica."

Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because a
few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.

So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to make a
list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.

By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate, not
the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which have
no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens (let
the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to consul
Albucius).

Optime valete,
Livia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81487 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Ave,

I answered it go back and check.

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:29 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:

> Salve atque vale
>
> As always you claim things that you can not defend.
>
> What I am or what I did is not important at this time.
>
> I have asked you a question and there is no answer.
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>
>
>>
>>
>> Ave,
>>
>> First aren't you supposed to use latin greetings?
>>
>> Second, aren't you a lawyer too? Though given the trial of Cincinnatus
>> would give one pause if they ever employed you if they saw how you handled
>> that trial!
>>
>>
>> Vale
>>
>> Sulla
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:16 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Flawed? Why?
>>>
>>>
>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>
>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ave,
>>>>
>>>> Your reference is flawed (I know big shock). You do realize this would
>>>> never had happen if he did what you or I did and that is to pay his tax!
>> You
>>>> did better than piscinus!
>>>>
>>>> Vale
>>>>
>>>> Sulla
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:53 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I really was referring to the consul Albucius , but if you want to
>>>> include
>>>>> you in the group sure he will welcome you.
>>>>>
>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>
>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that person's name is piscinus!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vale,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Salve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional reforms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sulla
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate control
>>>> not
>>>>>>>> under the consul control.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I
>>>>>> advise
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from
>> lists
>>>>>>>>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
>>>>>>>> secular
>>>>>>>>> perversion of our Res Publica."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late,
>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from
>>>> his
>>>>>>>>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed
>> himself
>>>>>>>>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list
>> and
>>>>>>>>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful
>> to
>>>>>>>> make a
>>>>>>>>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing
>> himself
>>>>>>>>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the
>>>> Senate,
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia,
>>>> which
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local
>>>> citizens
>>>>>>>> (let
>>>>>>>>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to
>>>>>>>> consul
>>>>>>>>> Albucius).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Optime valete,
>>>>>>>>> Livia
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81488 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [NRmagistrates] RE: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial r
Complutensi procos. s.d.

Sorry : the day has been a bit busy and I have been obliged to manage in parallel several applications. The computer and the internet may refuse to work faster at the moment you sent your report.

I consider as your report the one which is below, sent this morning 10:25, that's it ?

Vale et tibi gratias Proconsul,


Albucius cos.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Consul
>
> irony can be funny sometimes, if properly used, this time I received the
> Delivery Status Notification (Falilure). Is not a problem of crossing
> mountains is a problem with your email address.
>
> See the forwarded message:
>
> --------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon@...>
> Date: 2010/11/1
> Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
> To: complutensis@...
>
>
> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>
> albucius_aoe@...
>
> Technical details of permanent failure:
> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the
> recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for
> further information about the cause of this error. The error that the
> other server returned was: 550 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox
> unavailable (state 14).
>
> ----- Original message -----
>
> Received: by 10.229.74.65 with SMTP id t1mr4079006qcj.279.1288632339281;
> Mon,
> 01 Nov 2010 10:25:39 -0700 (PDT)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Received: by 10.229.99.198 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:25:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=B7CVR=B7COMPLVTENSIS?= <complutensis@...>
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:25:18 +0100
> Message-ID: <AANLkTikt9zjER_TwLpXE8YZCW0VJqs5FeUB5317fy15A@...>
> Subject: ANNUAL REPORT FROM HISPANIA
> To: Christer Edling <christer.edling@...>
> Cc: Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> M. Curiatius Complutensis Proconsul Hispaniae Consulibus SPD
>
> Salve here is the annual report:
>
> Annual Report for Provincia Hispania 2010 CE
>
> Provincial Magistrates
>
> Magisterial staff has grown this year in line with decreasing
> provincial activity.
>
> Hispania has the following Praetorium:
>
> PROCONSUL:
>
> Marcus Curiatius Complutensis
>
> SCRIBAE :
>
> Gaius Cocceius Spinula
>
>
> This year the region of Lusitania have a dedicated legate: Gaius
> Cocceius Spinula. The continued levels of inactivity in that region
> are finished.
>
>
>
>
> Provincial List
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NRHispania/ remains the dedicated
> mailing list for citizens of Hispania and those with an interest in
> our provincia.
>
>
>
> Web Site
>
> Our provincial website is at
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_%28Nova_Roma%29.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Provincial Gatherings
>
>
> - March: Merida
> - August: Calpe
> - October: Ercarvica
>
>
> Provincial Newsletter and newspaper
>
>
> For this year the provincial newsletter is still
> http://commentariola.blogspot.com
>
> Actually we are working in the blog http://novaromahispania.blogspot.com
>
>
> Oppidum Complutum
>
> Complutum is the second Oppidum founded in Nova Roma according the Lex
> Fabia de Oppidis et Municipis,
>
> This year the Oppidum was inactive.
>
>
> Collaborations in defence of the patrimony:
>
> "Defensa del Acueducto Romano de Penyacortada" (defence of roman
> aqueduct in Penya Cortada),
>
> "Defensa de la Villa Romana de l'Enova" (defence of roman Villa in L'Enova)
>
>
> Religio
>
> This year was the year of the Religio Romana, we have a small group of
> 10-15 citizens who have performed several rites and sacrifices to the
> goods.
>
>
>
> Budget
>
> The 100% of the collected taxes was forwarded to the Treasury of Nova Roma
>
> Provincial expenses: 22 Euros telephone and mail expenses (paid in
> full by proconsul)
>
>
> 2764 A.V.C.
>
> I do not expect an immediate recovery of the provincial activity but I
> hope that participation levels remain the same as for this year
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> 2010/11/1 Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
>
> >
> >
> > Salve Proconsul,
> >
> > I saw, during these last weeks, that e-mails had some difficulties to
> > cross, from south to north, the Pyrenaei mountains.
> >
> > I have sincerely not received your report yet, and I am sorry if I might
> > have ever some technical responsibility in (?). I have no difficulty to
> > receive messages from Italia, Panonnia, Germania, Dacia, and we should find
> > a way fixing the possible difficulty, if stated.
> >
> > As you already sent it to both consuls, pls just forward your initial
> > sending. It will take you 2 minutes, at worst ! :-)
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> >
> > Albucius cos.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > To: CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM@yahoogroups.com
> > CC: nrmagistrates@yahoogroups.com; nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
> > From: complutensis@...
> > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:27:01 +0100
> > Subject: [NRmagistrates] Re: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial
> > reports - statement of the received reports
> >
> >
> > Salvete
> >
> > Hispaniae report was sent to both Consules
> >
> > Valete
> >
> > M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> > PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> >
> > 2010/11/1 Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
> >
> >
> >
> > Salvete Governors,
> >
> > Following my reminder below, I can but state that, at the end of pridie
> > Kal. Nov. and of the legal deadline, I have received just 4 reports, below
> > listed in the chronology order of their reception :
> > 1/ Dacia - gov. leg. p.p. proconsul T. Iulius Sabinus ;
> > 2/ Gallia - gov. leg. p.p. consul P. Memmius Albucius ;
> > 3/ Italia - (former) praef. P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus ;
> > 4/ Sarmatia - gov. leg. p.p. C. Antonius Costa.
> >
> > Valete Governors,
> >
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius
> > consul
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > To: conventvs_gvbernatorvm@yahoogroups.com
> > CC: nrmagistrates@yahoogroups.com; senatusromanus@yahoogroups.com
> > From: albucius_aoe@...
> > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:20:46 +0200
> > Subject: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial reports
> >
> >
> > Salvete Praefecte and Governors,
> >
> > I remind you that, according to our rules and practices, each governor is
> > to send the consuls, at worst *next Kal. Nov*., the report on the
> > situation of her/his province, along with its budget for past 2763 year and
> > coming ("provisional") 2764 auc..
> >
> > Your report will contain the following paragraphs :
> > - membership
> > - events
> > - budget (this year and next one)
> > - projects
> > - organization.
> >
> > Your aim will be to give the Senate a quick and true image of the situation
> > of your province. One or two Word-format pages are largely enough. The
> > longer additional considerations may be inserted in one or several appendix.
> >
> > Naturally the provinces who have not been assigned a governor, or whose
> > governor has resigned in her/his term with no appointed successor, are not
> > to produce this report. In case of doubt, contact the consuls.
> >
> > Valete Praefecte and Governors, and mactote virtute,
> >
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius
> > consul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81489 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [NRmagistrates] RE: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial r
Salve Consul

I do not know if the report is complete or cutted. I'll resend to you the
complete report upon I can.

Vale


M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/11/1 publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...>

>
>
> Complutensi procos. s.d.
>
> Sorry : the day has been a bit busy and I have been obliged to manage in
> parallel several applications. The computer and the internet may refuse to
> work faster at the moment you sent your report.
>
> I consider as your report the one which is below, sent this morning 10:25,
> that's it ?
>
> Vale et tibi gratias Proconsul,
>
> Albucius cos.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Consul
> >
> > irony can be funny sometimes, if properly used, this time I received the
> > Delivery Status Notification (Falilure). Is not a problem of crossing
> > mountains is a problem with your email address.
> >
> > See the forwarded message:
> >
> > --------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon@...>
> > Date: 2010/11/1
> > Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
> > To: complutensis@...
> >
> >
> > Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
> >
> > albucius_aoe@...
> >
> > Technical details of permanent failure:
> > Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the
> > recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for
> > further information about the cause of this error. The error that the
> > other server returned was: 550 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox
> > unavailable (state 14).
> >
> > ----- Original message -----
> >
> > Received: by 10.229.74.65 with SMTP id t1mr4079006qcj.279.1288632339281;
> > Mon,
> > 01 Nov 2010 10:25:39 -0700 (PDT)
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Received: by 10.229.99.198 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:25:18 -0700
> (PDT)
> > From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=B7CVR=B7COMPLVTENSIS?= <complutensis@...>
> > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:25:18 +0100
> > Message-ID: <AANLkTikt9zjER_TwLpXE8YZCW0VJqs5FeUB5317fy15A@...>
> > Subject: ANNUAL REPORT FROM HISPANIA
> > To: Christer Edling <christer.edling@...>
> > Cc: Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >
> > M. Curiatius Complutensis Proconsul Hispaniae Consulibus SPD
> >
> > Salve here is the annual report:
> >
> > Annual Report for Provincia Hispania 2010 CE
> >
> > Provincial Magistrates
> >
> > Magisterial staff has grown this year in line with decreasing
> > provincial activity.
> >
> > Hispania has the following Praetorium:
> >
> > PROCONSUL:
> >
> > Marcus Curiatius Complutensis
> >
> > SCRIBAE :
> >
> > Gaius Cocceius Spinula
> >
> >
> > This year the region of Lusitania have a dedicated legate: Gaius
> > Cocceius Spinula. The continued levels of inactivity in that region
> > are finished.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Provincial List
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NRHispania/ remains the dedicated
> > mailing list for citizens of Hispania and those with an interest in
> > our provincia.
> >
> >
> >
> > Web Site
> >
> > Our provincial website is at
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_%28Nova_Roma%29.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Provincial Gatherings
> >
> >
> > - March: Merida
> > - August: Calpe
> > - October: Ercarvica
> >
> >
> > Provincial Newsletter and newspaper
> >
> >
> > For this year the provincial newsletter is still
> > http://commentariola.blogspot.com
> >
> > Actually we are working in the blog http://novaromahispania.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> > Oppidum Complutum
> >
> > Complutum is the second Oppidum founded in Nova Roma according the Lex
> > Fabia de Oppidis et Municipis,
> >
> > This year the Oppidum was inactive.
> >
> >
> > Collaborations in defence of the patrimony:
> >
> > "Defensa del Acueducto Romano de Penyacortada" (defence of roman
> > aqueduct in Penya Cortada),
> >
> > "Defensa de la Villa Romana de l'Enova" (defence of roman Villa in
> L'Enova)
> >
> >
> > Religio
> >
> > This year was the year of the Religio Romana, we have a small group of
> > 10-15 citizens who have performed several rites and sacrifices to the
> > goods.
> >
> >
> >
> > Budget
> >
> > The 100% of the collected taxes was forwarded to the Treasury of Nova
> Roma
> >
> > Provincial expenses: 22 Euros telephone and mail expenses (paid in
> > full by proconsul)
> >
> >
> > 2764 A.V.C.
> >
> > I do not expect an immediate recovery of the provincial activity but I
> > hope that participation levels remain the same as for this year
> > M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> > PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> >
> > 2010/11/1 Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve Proconsul,
> > >
> > > I saw, during these last weeks, that e-mails had some difficulties to
> > > cross, from south to north, the Pyrenaei mountains.
> > >
> > > I have sincerely not received your report yet, and I am sorry if I
> might
> > > have ever some technical responsibility in (?). I have no difficulty to
> > > receive messages from Italia, Panonnia, Germania, Dacia, and we should
> find
> > > a way fixing the possible difficulty, if stated.
> > >
> > > As you already sent it to both consuls, pls just forward your initial
> > > sending. It will take you 2 minutes, at worst ! :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > >
> > > Albucius cos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > To: CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM@yahoogroups.com<CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > CC: nrmagistrates@yahoogroups.com <nrmagistrates%40yahoogroups.com>;
> nova-roma@yahoogroups.com <nova-roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > From: complutensis@...
>
> > > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:27:01 +0100
> > > Subject: [NRmagistrates] Re: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial
> > > reports - statement of the received reports
> > >
> > >
> > > Salvete
> > >
> > > Hispaniae report was sent to both Consules
> > >
> > > Valete
> > >
> > > M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> > > PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> > >
> > > NOVA ROMA
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> > >
> > >
> > > 2010/11/1 Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salvete Governors,
> > >
> > > Following my reminder below, I can but state that, at the end of pridie
> > > Kal. Nov. and of the legal deadline, I have received just 4 reports,
> below
> > > listed in the chronology order of their reception :
> > > 1/ Dacia - gov. leg. p.p. proconsul T. Iulius Sabinus ;
> > > 2/ Gallia - gov. leg. p.p. consul P. Memmius Albucius ;
> > > 3/ Italia - (former) praef. P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus ;
> > > 4/ Sarmatia - gov. leg. p.p. C. Antonius Costa.
> > >
> > > Valete Governors,
> > >
> > >
> > > P. Memmius Albucius
> > > consul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > To: conventvs_gvbernatorvm@yahoogroups.com<conventvs_gvbernatorvm%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > CC: nrmagistrates@yahoogroups.com <nrmagistrates%40yahoogroups.com>;
> senatusromanus@yahoogroups.com <senatusromanus%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > From: albucius_aoe@...
>
> > > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:20:46 +0200
> > > Subject: [CONVENTVS_GVBERNATORVM] Annual provincial reports
> > >
> > >
> > > Salvete Praefecte and Governors,
> > >
> > > I remind you that, according to our rules and practices, each governor
> is
> > > to send the consuls, at worst *next Kal. Nov*., the report on the
> > > situation of her/his province, along with its budget for past 2763 year
> and
> > > coming ("provisional") 2764 auc..
> > >
> > > Your report will contain the following paragraphs :
> > > - membership
> > > - events
> > > - budget (this year and next one)
> > > - projects
> > > - organization.
> > >
> > > Your aim will be to give the Senate a quick and true image of the
> situation
> > > of your province. One or two Word-format pages are largely enough. The
> > > longer additional considerations may be inserted in one or several
> appendix.
> > >
> > > Naturally the provinces who have not been assigned a governor, or whose
> > > governor has resigned in her/his term with no appointed successor, are
> not
> > > to produce this report. In case of doubt, contact the consuls.
> > >
> > > Valete Praefecte and Governors, and mactote virtute,
> > >
> > >
> > > P. Memmius Albucius
> > > consul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81490 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Salve

answered? No you only affirm.

Vale


M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>

>
>
> Ave,
>
> I answered it go back and check.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:29 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Salve atque vale
> >
> > As always you claim things that you can not defend.
> >
> > What I am or what I did is not important at this time.
> >
> > I have asked you a question and there is no answer.
> >
> > M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> > PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> >
> > 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Ave,
> >>
> >> First aren't you supposed to use latin greetings?
> >>
> >> Second, aren't you a lawyer too? Though given the trial of Cincinnatus
> >> would give one pause if they ever employed you if they saw how you
> handled
> >> that trial!
> >>
> >>
> >> Vale
> >>
> >> Sulla
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:16 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Flawed? Why?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>
> >>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ave,
> >>>>
> >>>> Your reference is flawed (I know big shock). You do realize this would
> >>>> never had happen if he did what you or I did and that is to pay his
> tax!
> >> You
> >>>> did better than piscinus!
> >>>>
> >>>> Vale
> >>>>
> >>>> Sulla
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:53 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >
> >> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I really was referring to the consul Albucius , but if you want to
> >>>> include
> >>>>> you in the group sure he will welcome you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>
> >>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And that person's name is piscinus!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Vale,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Salve
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional
> reforms.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sulla
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate
> control
> >>>> not
> >>>>>>>> under the consul control.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I
> >>>>>> advise
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from
> >> lists
> >>>>>>>>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from
> their
> >>>>>>>> secular
> >>>>>>>>> perversion of our Res Publica."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late,
> >>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus
> from
> >>>> his
> >>>>>>>>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed
> >> himself
> >>>>>>>>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list
> >> and
> >>>>>>>>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be
> useful
> >> to
> >>>>>>>> make a
> >>>>>>>>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing
> >> himself
> >>>>>>>>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to
> me
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the
> >>>> Senate,
> >>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia,
> >>>> which
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local
> >>>> citizens
> >>>>>>>> (let
> >>>>>>>>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea
> to
> >>>>>>>> consul
> >>>>>>>>> Albucius).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Optime valete,
> >>>>>>>>> Livia
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81491 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Lentulus Liviae amicae sal.

Just one word of comment to my friend Livia Plauta:

>>>> Religious activities so far have been due mostly to the dedication of

individual people, and not to any help, financial, moral, or otherwise, that

Nova Roma has provided. <<<<<<

Individual people ARE Nova Roma. What I do, that is done by Nova Roma. What you have done, that was done by Nova Roma. What a Nova Roman does, whenever and whatever, it is done by a Nova Roman, therefore done by Nova Roma.

We need NOTHING from Nova Roma, except the privilige that we may call ourselves part of it, the privilage that we can pronounce these sacred words: Nova Roma.

Two words that are life to us: Nova Roma.

Two words that represent everything we want, we dreamed and we prayed for: a Nova Roma.

In us, in our acts lives and acts Nova Roma, and that includes not only you and me, but people like Corvus, Maria Caeca, Hortensia Maior, Agricola, Perusianus, Sabinus, Vindex, Spinula, Aquillius Rota, and many, many other people,

Nova Roma does not need to do anything for us: WE need to do everything for Nova Roma.

It's ironic that I ever say this to you, amica, beacuse (AND EVERONE LISTEN HERE!!) I can only tell and wittness that you, Livia Plauta, did the biggest and most wonderful things above your all resources and energies, for NR. So, the fact that I tell this to you, it's only because I intend these words to the others here, who demand but do only a little.

Livia is/was one of the best Nova Romans we ever had, and it's a major tragedy that we have someone like her being alienated. O tempora, o mores!


Curate uti vealtis!


















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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81492 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Ave,

Lol then your English comprehension needs work.

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:45 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:

> Salve
>
> answered? No you only affirm.
>
> Vale
>
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>
>
>>
>>
>> Ave,
>>
>> I answered it go back and check.
>>
>>
>> Vale
>>
>> Sulla
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:29 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Salve atque vale
>>>
>>> As always you claim things that you can not defend.
>>>
>>> What I am or what I did is not important at this time.
>>>
>>> I have asked you a question and there is no answer.
>>>
>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>
>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ave,
>>>>
>>>> First aren't you supposed to use latin greetings?
>>>>
>>>> Second, aren't you a lawyer too? Though given the trial of Cincinnatus
>>>> would give one pause if they ever employed you if they saw how you
>> handled
>>>> that trial!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vale
>>>>
>>>> Sulla
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:16 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Flawed? Why?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>
>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your reference is flawed (I know big shock). You do realize this would
>>>>>> never had happen if he did what you or I did and that is to pay his
>> tax!
>>>> You
>>>>>> did better than piscinus!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sulla
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:53 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really was referring to the consul Albucius , but if you want to
>>>>>> include
>>>>>>> you in the group sure he will welcome you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that person's name is piscinus!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vale,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Salve
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional
>> reforms.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sulla
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>>>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>>>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate
>> control
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> under the consul control.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I
>>>>>>>> advise
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from
>>>> lists
>>>>>>>>>>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from
>> their
>>>>>>>>>> secular
>>>>>>>>>>> perversion of our Res Publica."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late,
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus
>> from
>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed
>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>>>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be
>> useful
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> make a
>>>>>>>>>>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing
>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>>>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to
>> me
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the
>>>>>> Senate,
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local
>>>>>> citizens
>>>>>>>>>> (let
>>>>>>>>>>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea
>> to
>>>>>>>>>> consul
>>>>>>>>>>> Albucius).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Optime valete,
>>>>>>>>>>> Livia
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81493 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Salve

probably. so why you do not do us the favor to explain properly?


M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>

>
>
> Ave,
>
> Lol then your English comprehension needs work.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:45 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Salve
> >
> > answered? No you only affirm.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> >
> > M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> > PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> >
> > 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Ave,
> >>
> >> I answered it go back and check.
> >>
> >>
> >> Vale
> >>
> >> Sulla
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:29 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Salve atque vale
> >>>
> >>> As always you claim things that you can not defend.
> >>>
> >>> What I am or what I did is not important at this time.
> >>>
> >>> I have asked you a question and there is no answer.
> >>>
> >>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>
> >>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ave,
> >>>>
> >>>> First aren't you supposed to use latin greetings?
> >>>>
> >>>> Second, aren't you a lawyer too? Though given the trial of Cincinnatus
> >>>> would give one pause if they ever employed you if they saw how you
> >> handled
> >>>> that trial!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Vale
> >>>>
> >>>> Sulla
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:16 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >
> >> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Flawed? Why?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>
> >>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your reference is flawed (I know big shock). You do realize this
> would
> >>>>>> never had happen if he did what you or I did and that is to pay his
> >> tax!
> >>>> You
> >>>>>> did better than piscinus!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sulla
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:53 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I really was referring to the consul Albucius , but if you want to
> >>>>>> include
> >>>>>>> you in the group sure he will welcome you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And that person's name is piscinus!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Vale,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Salve
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional
> >> reforms.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sulla
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >>>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >>>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate
> >> control
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>> under the consul control.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus,
> I
> >>>>>>>> advise
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from
> >>>> lists
> >>>>>>>>>>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from
> >> their
> >>>>>>>>>> secular
> >>>>>>>>>>> perversion of our Res Publica."
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit
> late,
> >>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus
> >> from
> >>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed
> >>>> himself
> >>>>>>>>>>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing
> list
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be
> >> useful
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> make a
> >>>>>>>>>>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by
> Albucius.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing
> >>>> himself
> >>>>>>>>>>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems
> to
> >> me
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the
> >>>>>> Senate,
> >>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like
> Britannia,
> >>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local
> >>>>>> citizens
> >>>>>>>>>> (let
> >>>>>>>>>>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an
> idea
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>>> consul
> >>>>>>>>>>> Albucius).
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Optime valete,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Livia
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81494 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Ave

Again asked and answered - go and take 5 min and check the archives!

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:54 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:

> Salve
>
> probably. so why you do not do us the favor to explain properly?
>
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>
>
>>
>>
>> Ave,
>>
>> Lol then your English comprehension needs work.
>>
>>
>> Vale
>>
>> Sulla
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:45 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Salve
>>>
>>> answered? No you only affirm.
>>>
>>> Vale
>>>
>>>
>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>
>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ave,
>>>>
>>>> I answered it go back and check.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vale
>>>>
>>>> Sulla
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:29 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Salve atque vale
>>>>>
>>>>> As always you claim things that you can not defend.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I am or what I did is not important at this time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have asked you a question and there is no answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>
>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First aren't you supposed to use latin greetings?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, aren't you a lawyer too? Though given the trial of Cincinnatus
>>>>>> would give one pause if they ever employed you if they saw how you
>>>> handled
>>>>>> that trial!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sulla
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:16 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Flawed? Why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your reference is flawed (I know big shock). You do realize this
>> would
>>>>>>>> never had happen if he did what you or I did and that is to pay his
>>>> tax!
>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>> did better than piscinus!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sulla
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:53 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really was referring to the consul Albucius , but if you want to
>>>>>>>> include
>>>>>>>>> you in the group sure he will welcome you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And that person's name is piscinus!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vale,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>>>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>>>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Salve
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional
>>>> reforms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sulla
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>>>>>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>>>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>>>>>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate
>>>> control
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> under the consul control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus,
>> I
>>>>>>>>>> advise
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from
>>>>>> lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from
>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> secular
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perversion of our Res Publica."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit
>> late,
>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus
>>>> from
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed
>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>>>>>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing
>> list
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be
>>>> useful
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by
>> Albucius.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing
>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems
>> to
>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the
>>>>>>>> Senate,
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like
>> Britannia,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local
>>>>>>>> citizens
>>>>>>>>>>>> (let
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an
>> idea
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> consul
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Albucius).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Optime valete,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Livia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81495 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Livia Chloro sal.

Err... maybe because we don't have a voting system at the moment? The month
of November should be dedicated to elections for next year's magistrates,
but because of Albucius vetoing the IT expense at the moment we have nobody
to handle the current voting system. So far I have seen nobody come forward
with an alternative system (and volunteers to run it).

Optime vale,
Livia

> Chloro Omnibus Sal.
>
> At the moment I do not have a solid opinion about this matter, but if
> there are to parties claiming the majority, why not put it to a vote
> open to all citizens?
>
> Optime Valete!
>
> *M. Valerius Chlorus*
> /-Sodalitas Militarium-/
> *Decurio Princeps*
>
> On 01/11/10 16:31, Vedius wrote:
>>
>> Salve Marci Moravi,
>>
>> Thank for you the clarification of your intentions.
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
>> Pater Patriae
>>
>> On 11/1/2010 11:19 AM, marcushoratius wrote:
>> > Salve Flavi Vedi
>> >
>> > No. I am not resigning from anything. Nor am I resigning myself to
>> the abuses and usurptation by the Consul Impius and his rump Senate.
>> Nova Roma is composed of the Senate and the People. It is not merely a
>> couple of lists. The majority of the Senate stand behind Consul
>> Quintilianus. The majority of the Collegium Pontificum stand behind me
>> as the Pontifex Maximus, as do the cultores Deorum that make Nova Roma
>> at all relevent. And the majority of our Citizens also stand behind
>> Consul Quintilianus and the Res Publica. Whatever Albucius and his
>> faithless insurgents hold onto is no longer part of our Res Publica.
>> There is no reason that I or that any of the majority should resign
>> from a group that has already departed from us, from our civitas, and
>> from our Res Publica.
>> >
>> > You, Vedi, as a pater patriae, should know that Nova Roma was
>> founded to support and promote the religio Romana. Under Aurelianus
>> and then myself, our Collegia have been revitalized, and that has paid
>> off with so many sacra publica and a restoration the cultus Deorum. So
>> I ask you, where does the real Nova Roma lie? At its heart among those
>> who keep alive the cultus Deorum, or with monotheistic secularists who
>> mock our Gods, insult our Sacerdotes, and who try to reverse the
>> Vedian Constitution that once protected the Collegia from the abuses
>> of this rebellious Consul Impius ? Where is the true center of Nova
>> Roma, with the majority of the Senate and its Citizens, or with some
>> rump senate of a few individuals and a Consul Impius who no longer
>> holds any auctoritas from the Gods?
>> >
>> > No, it is not I who resigns, but Albucius and his insurgents who
>> have already resigned from Nova Roma.
>> >
>> > Nova Roma est divisa in partes duae. Ego cultor Deorum sum; Rem
>> Publicam defendam.
>> >
>> >
>> > Vade in pace Deorum
>> >
>> > M. Moravius Piscinus
>> >
>> > Pontifex Maximus
>> > Magister Collegii Augurum
>> > Senator Consularius
>> > Civis Rei Publicae Populi Novae Romae
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Vedius<vedius@...> wrote:
>> >> Salve,
>> >>
>> >> On 11/1/2010 7:25 AM, marcushoratius wrote:
>> >>> Very, very, very many words that end up saying very, very, very
>> little.
>> >>>
>> >> So are you renouncing your Citizenship, or not? You exhort others to
>> >> leave; are you leaving as well?
>> >>
>> >> Vale,
>> >>
>> >> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
>> >> Pater Patriae
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81496 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
L. Livia C. Petronio sal.

I'm not saying you are not a cultor. I just say you are in bad faith. Last
year you didn't consider yourself an expert in cultus deorum, but nowadays
suddenly you know everything better than Piscinus, who has been a cultor for
a lifetime. Pardon me if I'm doubtful of such suddenly aquired knowledge.

Vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 7:19 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM


C. Petronius Liviae Plautae sal.,

> I do not recognize P. Memmius Albucius, Q. Caecilius Metellus and C.
> Petronius Dexter as bona fide cultores deorum.

Saying that you look like the christian inquisition.

It is a pity, with Piscinus we have a guru, and with you a christian
inquisitrix...

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Kalendis Novembribus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81497 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Salve

would expect that you refuse to publicly explain

Vale

M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>

>
>
> Ave
>
> Again asked and answered - go and take 5 min and check the archives!
>
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:54 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Salve
> >
> > probably. so why you do not do us the favor to explain properly?
> >
> >
> > M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> > PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> >
> > 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Ave,
> >>
> >> Lol then your English comprehension needs work.
> >>
> >>
> >> Vale
> >>
> >> Sulla
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:45 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Salve
> >>>
> >>> answered? No you only affirm.
> >>>
> >>> Vale
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>
> >>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ave,
> >>>>
> >>>> I answered it go back and check.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Vale
> >>>>
> >>>> Sulla
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:29 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >
> >> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Salve atque vale
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As always you claim things that you can not defend.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What I am or what I did is not important at this time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have asked you a question and there is no answer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>
> >>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First aren't you supposed to use latin greetings?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Second, aren't you a lawyer too? Though given the trial of
> Cincinnatus
> >>>>>> would give one pause if they ever employed you if they saw how you
> >>>> handled
> >>>>>> that trial!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sulla
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:16 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Flawed? Why?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Your reference is flawed (I know big shock). You do realize this
> >> would
> >>>>>>>> never had happen if he did what you or I did and that is to pay
> his
> >>>> tax!
> >>>>>> You
> >>>>>>>> did better than piscinus!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sulla
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:53 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I really was referring to the consul Albucius , but if you want
> to
> >>>>>>>> include
> >>>>>>>>> you in the group sure he will welcome you.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And that person's name is piscinus!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Vale,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >>>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >>>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Salve
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional
> >>>> reforms.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sulla
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >>>>>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >>>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >>>>>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate
> >>>> control
> >>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> under the consul control.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex
> Maximus,
> >> I
> >>>>>>>>>> advise
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe
> from
> >>>>>> lists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from
> >>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>>> secular
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> perversion of our Res Publica."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit
> >> late,
> >>>>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus
> >>>> from
> >>>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed
> >>>>>> himself
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing
> >> list
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be
> >>>> useful
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> make a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by
> >> Albucius.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing
> >>>>>> himself
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems
> >> to
> >>>> me
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of
> the
> >>>>>>>> Senate,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like
> >> Britannia,
> >>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local
> >>>>>>>> citizens
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (let
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an
> >> idea
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> consul
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Albucius).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Optime valete,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Livia
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81498 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Ave

It has been posted here! Everyone can see it. Only you have a problem and the resolution would be for you to check the archives, if it means that much to you, then check. I am about to get a flight from Philadelphia to Phoenix so I am rather busy.

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:06 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:

> Salve
>
> would expect that you refuse to publicly explain
>
> Vale
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>
>
>>
>>
>> Ave
>>
>> Again asked and answered - go and take 5 min and check the archives!
>>
>>
>> Vale
>>
>> Sulla
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:54 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Salve
>>>
>>> probably. so why you do not do us the favor to explain properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>
>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ave,
>>>>
>>>> Lol then your English comprehension needs work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vale
>>>>
>>>> Sulla
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:45 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Salve
>>>>>
>>>>> answered? No you only affirm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vale
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>
>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I answered it go back and check.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sulla
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:29 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Salve atque vale
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As always you claim things that you can not defend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I am or what I did is not important at this time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have asked you a question and there is no answer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First aren't you supposed to use latin greetings?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Second, aren't you a lawyer too? Though given the trial of
>> Cincinnatus
>>>>>>>> would give one pause if they ever employed you if they saw how you
>>>>>> handled
>>>>>>>> that trial!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sulla
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:16 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Flawed? Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your reference is flawed (I know big shock). You do realize this
>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> never had happen if he did what you or I did and that is to pay
>> his
>>>>>> tax!
>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>> did better than piscinus!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sulla
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:53 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>>>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>>>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I really was referring to the consul Albucius , but if you want
>> to
>>>>>>>>>> include
>>>>>>>>>>> you in the group sure he will welcome you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And that person's name is piscinus!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vale,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>>>>>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>>>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>>>>>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Salve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional
>>>>>> reforms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sulla
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <
>>>>>>>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>>>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>>>>>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
>>>>>>>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate
>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the consul control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex
>> Maximus,
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> advise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe
>> from
>>>>>>>> lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perversion of our Res Publica."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit
>>>> late,
>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed
>>>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing
>>>> list
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be
>>>>>> useful
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by
>>>> Albucius.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing
>>>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems
>>>> to
>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of
>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Senate,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like
>>>> Britannia,
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local
>>>>>>>>>> citizens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an
>>>> idea
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Albucius).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Optime valete,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Livia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81499 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: [comitiapopulitributa] Re: Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Itali
Salve

not in this conversation.


M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
PROCONSVL HISPANIAE

NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...>

>
>
> Ave
>
> It has been posted here! Everyone can see it. Only you have a problem and
> the resolution would be for you to check the archives, if it means that much
> to you, then check. I am about to get a flight from Philadelphia to Phoenix
> so I am rather busy.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:06 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Salve
> >
> > would expect that you refuse to publicly explain
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> > PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> >
> > 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Ave
> >>
> >> Again asked and answered - go and take 5 min and check the archives!
> >>
> >>
> >> Vale
> >>
> >> Sulla
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:54 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...<complutensis%40gmail.com>
> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Salve
> >>>
> >>> probably. so why you do not do us the favor to explain properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>
> >>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ave,
> >>>>
> >>>> Lol then your English comprehension needs work.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Vale
> >>>>
> >>>> Sulla
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:45 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >
> >> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Salve
> >>>>>
> >>>>> answered? No you only affirm.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vale
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>
> >>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I answered it go back and check.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sulla
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:29 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Salve atque vale
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As always you claim things that you can not defend.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What I am or what I did is not important at this time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have asked you a question and there is no answer.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> First aren't you supposed to use latin greetings?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Second, aren't you a lawyer too? Though given the trial of
> >> Cincinnatus
> >>>>>>>> would give one pause if they ever employed you if they saw how you
> >>>>>> handled
> >>>>>>>> that trial!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sulla
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:16 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Flawed? Why?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Your reference is flawed (I know big shock). You do realize this
> >>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>> never had happen if he did what you or I did and that is to pay
> >> his
> >>>>>> tax!
> >>>>>>>> You
> >>>>>>>>>> did better than piscinus!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sulla
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:53 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >>>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >>>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I really was referring to the consul Albucius , but if you want
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>>> include
> >>>>>>>>>>> you in the group sure he will welcome you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And that person's name is piscinus!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Vale,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:46 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >>>>>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >>>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >>>>>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Salve
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> not. Someone does not respect our leges.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone does not remember their Roman history!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you need to start reading augustian constitutional
> >>>>>> reforms.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vale
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sulla
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:40 PM, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS <
> >>>>>>>>>> complutensis@... <complutensis%40gmail.com><complutensis%
> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >>>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >>>>>> 40gmail.com> <complutensis%
> >>>>>>>> 40gmail.com><complutensis%40gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <complutensis%40gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Disguised dictatorship? The provinces are under the Senate
> >>>>>> control
> >>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the consul control.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROCONSVL HISPANIAE
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOVA ROMA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/1 L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...<livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <livia.plauta%40gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex
> >> Maximus,
> >>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> advise
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe
> >> from
> >>>>>>>> lists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE
> from
> >>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> secular
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perversion of our Res Publica."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit
> >>>> late,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con.
> Placidus
> >>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius
> appointed
> >>>>>>>> himself
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing
> >>>> list
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be
> >>>>>> useful
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> make a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by
> >>>> Albucius.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul
> appointing
> >>>>>>>> himself
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It
> seems
> >>>> to
> >>>>>> me
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>>> Senate,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like
> >>>> Britannia,
> >>>>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by
> local
> >>>>>>>>>> citizens
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (let
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an
> >>>> idea
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consul
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Albucius).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Optime valete,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Livia
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------------
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81500 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

> Please next time avoid the "hail", which evokes a nazi past which is not really appropriate here, even to the support that you bring here, as you were supposed to do, to your friend.
>

Salve,

This is a bigotted statement.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81501 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
C. Petronius L. Liviae sal.,

> I'm not saying you are not a cultor. I just say you are in bad faith.

Bad faith? What is that? "Punica fides" as said Romans?

> Last year you didn't consider yourself an expert in cultus deorum,

Last year was last year. This year and already after my journey in Budapest, I learnt many things on the Roman religion.

> but nowadays suddenly you know everything better than Piscinus,

The knowledges of Piscinus are not the problem, his attitude is the problem.

For example, he thinks that an augur takes the auspicies! Only curules magistrates take the auspicies, as augur he has only to perform them. And even if the result of the auspicies are not good, the magistrates with auspicia maiora have the power to do not care the result. Roman history is full of examples.

So, in accusing Albucius as "impious" Piscinus shows me the evidence that he is not a cultor deorum, nor a Roman pontiff, but, in fact, he used the religio, the auspicies as a political weapon.

This man has evil intentions. And you know that.

For me, Livia, I do not have anything against you. I remember the Parilia of 2762 as a very good memory, so I do not want to have fallen out with you, neither say things I will regret.

I do not know why but you prefer to follow a man, Piscinus, who made the public demonstration in the last American Conventus that he did not care Nova Roma, nor the Gods, neither the young Marcus Aquillius Rota. It is your right, I do not agree with your choice, but I respect it.

Now, I know what evil man is Piscinus. It is not a problem with his religious knowledges, knowledges can be learnt with time and good experiences, but the problem is with his lack of wisdom, fairness and kindness. He has a tyranical behaviour, for the least.


Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Kalendis Novembribus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81502 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Livia omnibus sal.
Do I need to comment?
Petronius scripsit:
"Now, I know what evil man is Piscinus."

Who is the inquisitor here? Who is the one who presumes to judge people? Did
any of us ever presume to call someone evil?

Optime valete,
Livia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81503 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Livia Lentulo sal.

It's precisely because I have dedicated all this energy to Nova Roma that I
wish to stop doing it.

Nova Roma, unfortunately, is not only you, Lentule amice, and not only my
many other friends, but it also contains a bunch of obnoxious people whose
aim in life is to quarrel. Not to mention the fact that it has reached
almost total dysfunctionality.

I agree with Piscinus in thinking that these people have poisoned Nova Roma
to the point when it can no longer be a supportive community. The local
communities have been created by Nova Roma, but they are not Nova Roma: Nova
Roma is the whole, the sum of these local communities and all the isolated
people. A part is not the same as the whole.

I am also convinced that if the gods have shown support for us it is thanks
to what we did as individuals, and not because of our belonging to Nova
Roma, but rather in spite of it.

I feel good in my local community and in the company of other people I met
through NR, with whom I have done constructive things, but I feel nothing I
ever did for NR as a whole (taking offices, etc.) has ever been
constructive, on the contrary it has been a total waste of time and energy.
So I will keep doing exactly the same constructive things I have done so
far, but no longer in the name of Nova Roma: only in the name of myself and
the local community.

Optime vale,
Livia

> Lentulus Liviae amicae sal.
>
> Just one word of comment to my friend Livia Plauta:
>
>>>>> Religious activities so far have been due mostly to the dedication of
>
> individual people, and not to any help, financial, moral, or otherwise,
> that
>
> Nova Roma has provided. <<<<<<
>
> Individual people ARE Nova Roma. What I do, that is done by Nova Roma.
> What you have done, that was done by Nova Roma. What a Nova Roman does,
> whenever and whatever, it is done by a Nova Roman, therefore done by Nova
> Roma.
>
> We need NOTHING from Nova Roma, except the privilige that we may call
> ourselves part of it, the privilage that we can pronounce these sacred
> words: Nova Roma.
>
> Two words that are life to us: Nova Roma.
>
> Two words that represent everything we want, we dreamed and we prayed for:
> a Nova Roma.
>
> In us, in our acts lives and acts Nova Roma, and that includes not only
> you and me, but people like Corvus, Maria Caeca, Hortensia Maior,
> Agricola, Perusianus, Sabinus, Vindex, Spinula, Aquillius Rota, and many,
> many other people,
>
> Nova Roma does not need to do anything for us: WE need to do everything
> for Nova Roma.
>
> It's ironic that I ever say this to you, amica, beacuse (AND EVERONE
> LISTEN HERE!!) I can only tell and wittness that you, Livia Plauta, did
> the biggest and most wonderful things above your all resources and
> energies, for NR. So, the fact that I tell this to you, it's only because
> I intend these words to the others here, who demand but do only a little.
>
> Livia is/was one of the best Nova Romans we ever had, and it's a major
> tragedy that we have someone like her being alienated. O tempora, o mores!
>
>
> Curate uti vealtis!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81504 From: Vedius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae
Salve,

On 11/1/2010 2:04 PM, publiusalbucius wrote:
> Please next time avoid the "hail", which evokes a nazi past which is not really appropriate here, even to the support that you bring here, as you were supposed to do, to your friend.

What is "not really appropriate here" is such Political Correctness run
amok. In English, the word "hail" has nothing to do with Nazis. Stop
looking for excuses to be offended.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81505 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro Salutem Plurimam dicit:

Nova Romana Sum. Semper Nova Romana ero.

Valete bene!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81506 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
C. Petronius Liviae et omnibus sal.,

> Who is the inquisitor here?

Not me.

> Who is the one who presumes to judge people? Did any of us ever presume to call someone evil?

By his evil acts.

Noluisses de manu istius panem accipere.

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Kalendis Novembribus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81507 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
C. Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD,



I see that final steps for the destruction of Nova Roma are now taken. So
let me say, with the very little weight I may have, that I am a citizen of
Nova Roma. Nova Roma is my nation, a nation I have joined to follow the
Religio Romana and the restoration of the ancient Roman.



A nation where the decisions are made in the Senate and by the people in the
Comitiae and not where a few people claiming to speak in name of the
Immortal Gods think they can overrule the elected Magistrates claiming these
Magistrates are impious, not a nation where people that disagree or defend
other points of views, other ways to build Nova Roma are labeled impious.
What you defend is more resembling of the Christian church in the Medieval
times than anything close to our Roman ancestors.



I didn't vote for Consul Memmius but he was elected by the Comitia
Centuriata so he is a Nova Roma Consul. I didn't see the Consul Memmius
doing anything that was not within the powers of a Consul even when I
disagree with him.



You on the other hand I have seen using powers not given to you by our
constitution to forbid a legally Consul to perform his duties, I have seen
you trying to force everyone to ignore a perfectly legal Consular Veto.
There is now information of you single hand kicking off Pontifeces and
Senators from official Nova Roma lists, when you used exactly that action to
accuse a person of treason and expel him of Nova Roma.



You claim that everyone that doesn't agree with you is impious or
malevolent. Did you ever stop to think if those people are elected to the
highest offices is because part of Nova Roma agrees with them? Because part
of Nova Roma thinks the path defend by them is the right one and that
everyone of us are here dedicating time, money and energy is because we all
want to restore the Religio Romana and the ancient Roman society in her best
aspects? It is obvious that for you Nova Roma is not a Republic, it is
something where your opinions are the supreme true and everyone that
disagrees with you should be expelled or silenced, like when you tried to
force a dictator on Nova Roma even when he claimed publicly that he wouldn't
accept it.



The bottom line is that all of your actions are a struggle for absolute
power within Nova Roma. If it were not you only had to wait for the office
of Consul Memmius to end at the end of the year. You tried to get that power
and since you have failed you are now trying to destroy Nova Roma because
you do know that, whatever new group you will form, it will only be able to
succeed if there is not a Nova Roma.



I will keep struggling for a Nova Roma where the decisions are made in the
Senate and in the Comitiae and not by a body of unelected people who will
call impious and try to effectively depose anyone that dares to think
otherwise.



I will stay with Nova Roma for whatever will happen. If you fail I will be
here to help rebuild Nova Roma from the mess you have made, if you succeed I
will be here to mourn it but I will not leave it in free will.



Di Novam Roman incolumem custodiant.









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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81508 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Guaranteeing the continuity of the Collegium Pontificum
Censori et Pontifici Iulio s.d.


I have been informed that you have been excluded today from the Collegium Pontificum list by M. Moravius Piscinus, as well, at least, as Flamen Petronius, and without no previous information.


This measure is probably to be put in relation with the call issued by the same Moravius sooner for the creation of �local religious communities� that himself, with other �cultores deorum� would create, apparently outside Nova Roma, but also in relation with the statement of the fact that several of our public servants have not paid our Republic their annual fee.


I have answered this call.


Concerning the situation you are currently living, I cannot prevent telling myself that we are in the following situation :


if I am not wrong, the Collegium pontificum has voted to replace M. Moravius as pontifex maximus by Antonius Graecus ;

though Antonius decline this responsibility, the Collegium has not voted a second time, which means that its decision is, legally, still valid and Antonius has been elected internally PM ;

the Collegium did not meet and vote to set its definitive position on the disputes raised on the way Pont. Caecilius, acting as chair, recorded the suffragia whose results appointed Antonius ;

at the current time, and independently of the individual opinions or every member of the Collegium pontificum, Antonius is the elected PM ;

but Antonius, like Moravius, Fabius Buteo iunior and Iulius Iulianus, did not contribute financially to Nova Roma and thus fall under the provisions of lex Vedia modified : the cannot hold any Novaroman public office and must thus leave the Collegium pontificum ;

however, you have been removed from the Collegium by... Moravius, at the same time ex- assiduus and ex-PM ;


In conclusion, and forgive me if I am direct, but the Collegium pontificum is either working with its own rules and in full violation of Nova Roma Law, or yet living in good faith as some kind of �local religious community�, outside Nova Roma, to remind Moravius' declarations.


I think that time has come to stop this situation which damages the dignitas of our Republic.


As consul maior, I therefore ask you officially, both as only sitting censor, since that your colleague is not an assiduus, and as pontifex, and thus being able to assume with auctoritas and dignitas this mission for the whole Republic, to open a new official meeting place for the Collegium pontificum, and to secure its management so that he may not become, in the future, the hostage of one or a few individuals.


I ask you, in conformity with the laws of our Republic, to call in this new official place all priests and flamines who are currently assidui (Caecilius, Cornelius Lentulus, Fabius Maximus, Galerius Aurelianus, Titinius, Petronius, and my colleague, Hon. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus).


Once the Collegium Pontificum in this new legal frame, I request that you preside a first session which will elect a new legal and assiduus pontifex maximus, and that this new PM reorganize the current College of Auspices whose only one member left, Lucretius, is assiduus. In a third time, it would be opportune that the colleges be composed as required by our Constitution.


Naturally, I will inform the Senate of this request.


Vale Censor and Pontifex,




P. Memmius Albucius cos.







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81509 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: After every Kalends, Nones, Ides, the next day is "Ater", 11/2/2010,
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   After every Kalends, Nones, Ides, the next day is "Ater"
 
Date:   Tuesday November 2, 2010
Time:   All Day
Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
Notes:   Ater (unlucky)
*Gods or Goddesses should not be invoked by name while indoors, and no celestial God or Goddess should be invoked by name while outdoors.
*Sacrifices should not be made.
*These days are ill-omened to begin any new project since any new project would necessarily begin by performing a rite calling for the assistance of the gods. Such religious rites, beginning something new, are not to be performed.
*Avoid making journeys, or doing anything risky.
NOTA BENE: Normal work would still be performed on dies atri, and as part of performing any work one performs rites for the patron deities, geni locii, and other appropriate deities. Likewise, the daily routine is also performed before the lararium
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81510 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
C. Petronius C. Mariae Caecae s.p.d.,

> Nova Romana Sum. Semper Nova Romana ero.

Pulchre dixisti et tibi assentior!
(You spoke well, and I agree)

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Kalendis Novembribus P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81511 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Iulia omnibus s.p.d.

Guess the Halloween truce is over...?

Valete optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro Salutem Plurimam dicit:
>
> Nova Romana Sum. Semper Nova Romana ero.
>
> Valete bene!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81512 From: enodia2002 Date: 2010-11-01
Subject: Fw: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Ro
V Rutilia Enodiaria Liviae Plautae sal.

You resigned. I removed you. End of story.

Optime vale,

V Rutilia Enodiaria

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus sal.
>
> Well, apparently the Comitia Plebis Tributa list is owned by a minion of
> Albucius, who took upon herself the task of censoring dissent (see quoted
> message).
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "V" <enodia2002@...>
> To: <ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re:
> [Nova-Roma] TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
>
>
> V Rutilia Enodiaria Liviae Plautae spd.
>
> Thank you for your comments. I will immediately unsubscribe you from this
> list.
>
>
> Optime vale,
>
> V Rutilia Enodiaria
> Listowner
>
>
> Fide cani
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com;
> comitiapopulitributa@yahoogroups.com;
> novaromacomitiacenturiata@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 10:28:27 AM
> Subject: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Roma]
> TO
> ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
>
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>
> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and
> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
> perversion of our Res Publica."
>
> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because a
> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>
> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to make a
> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>
> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate, not
> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which have
> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens (let
> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to consul
> Albucius).
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81513 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: a.d. IV Kal. Nov.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem IV Nones Novembris; hic dies fastus aterque est.

"The leaders of the senate applauded the way in which the consul had
introduced the motion, but as the circumstances differed in different
cases they thought that each case ought to be decided upon its merits,
and with the view of facilitating discussion they requested the consul
to put the name of each place separately. Lanuvium received the full
citizenship and the restitution of her sacred things, with the proviso
that the temple and grove of Juno Sospita should belong in common to
the Roman people and the citizens living at Lanuvium. Aricium,
Nomentum, and Pedum obtained the same political rights as Lanuvium.
Tusculum retained the citizenship which it had had before, and the
responsibility for the part it took in the war was removed from the
State as a whole and fastened on a few individuals. The Veliternians,
who had been Roman citizens from old times, were in consequence of
their numerous revolts severely dealt with; their walls were thrown
down, their senate deported and ordered to live on the other side of
the Tiber; if any of them were caught on this side of the river, he
was to be fined 1000 ases, and the man who caught him was not to
release him from confinement till the money was paid. Colonists were
sent on to the land they had possessed, and their numbers made
Velitrae look as populous as formerly. Antium also was assigned to a
fresh body of colonists, but the Antiates were permitted to enrol
themselves as colonists if they chose; their warships were taken away,
and they were forbidden to possess any more; they were admitted to
citizenship. Tibur and Praeneste had their domains confiscated, not
owing to the part which they, in common with the rest of Latium, had
taken in the war, but because, jealous of the Roman power, they had
joined arms with the barbarous nation of the Gauls. The rest of the
Latin cities were deprived of the rights of intermarriage, free trade,
and common councils with each other. Capua, as a reward for the
refusal of its aristocracy to join the Latins, were allowed to enjoy
the private rights of Roman citizens, as were also Fundi and Formiae,
because they had always allowed a free passage through their
territory. It was decided that Cumae and Suessula should enjoy the
same rights as Capua. Some of the ships of Antium were taken into the
Roman docks, others were burnt and their beaks (rostra) were fastened
on the front of a raised gallery which was constructed at the end of
the Forum, and which from this circumstance was called the Rostra." -
Livy, History of Rome 8.14


ENTITIES OF THE DAY - THE KHALKOTAUROI

"He [Hephaistos] had also made him [Aeetes king of Kolkhis] Bulls with
feet of bronze and bronze mouths from which the breath came out in
flame, blazing and terrible. And he had forged a plough of indurated
steel, all in one piece. All as a thank-offering to Helios, who had
taken him up in his chariot when he sank exhausted on the battlefield
of Phlegra." - Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 3.221

"[Jason] asked for the fleece. Aeetes promised to give it to him, if
Jason by himself could yoke his bronze-hooved Bulls, two immense wild
beasts which Hephaistos had given him, with hooves of bronze and fire
shooting from their mouths. Aeetes ordered him to yoke them and sow
some drakon-teeth which he had received from Athene ... As Jason
pondered the problem of yoking the Bulls, Medeia fell in love with
him. She was a daughter of Aeetes ... and a sroceress. In fear that
Jason might be killed by the Bulls, unknown to her father she offered
to work with him in yoking them and getting the fleece, if he would
swear to marry her and take her back to Hellas with him. He swore, and
she gave him a drug, which, before yoking the Bulls, he was to rub on
his shield, spear, and body. So anointed, she said, he would be
invulnerable to both fire and iron for one whole day ... Jason rubbed
on the drug, and went to the grove of the temple in search of the
Bulls, which he yoked despite their attack of fire. Next, he sowed the
drakon-teeth, and armed men did rise up from the earth." -
Apollodorus, The Library 1.127

"He [Aeetes] also threw a wall about the precinct [where the Golden
Fleece was kept] and stationed there many guardians, these being men
of the Tauric Chersonese, and it is because of these guards that the
Greeks invented monstrous myths. For instance, the report was spread
abroad that there were fire-breathing Tauroi round about the precinct
and that a sleepless Drakon guarded the fleece, the identity of the
names having led to the transfer from the men who were Taurians to the
cattle because of their strength and the cruelty shown in the murder
of strangers having been made into the myth of the bulls breathing
fire" - Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 4.47.1-6

The khalkotauroi were a pair of fire-breathing bull-shaped Automatones
forged out bronze by the divine smith Hephaistos as a gift for Aeetes
king of Kolkhis. When Jason and the Argonauts came to Kolkhis in
search of the Golden Fleece, Aeetes demanded the hero yoke the bulls
and plow a field with dragon's teeth before he would hand over the
fleece. Jason did.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81514 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Cato Piscino sal.

On top of 99% of your speech being simply easily-proven nonsense, this is sort of like Staten Island declaring one day that Manhattan, The Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn have "gone astray" and can no longer consider themselves the "true" New York City.

Vale,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81515 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Cato Liviae sal.

The consul did not veto the "IT expense"; it was part of an invalid Senate session. We are simply awaiting a chance to reconsider the issue under valid, legal circumstances.

Vale,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81516 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Moravius Piscinus has written:

"...spreading derision and ridicule, slander and false rumors, obscenities and gross insults...C. Equitius Cato...actions included obscene assaults directed towards our Virgo Maxima Vestalis and other female Sacerdotes and towards the women in our Senate; they engaged in sexual harassment of women, especially Sacerdotes..."

He has further called me "misogynist", has claimed that I have perpetrated "lies, falshoods [sic], and slander", he has accused me of showing "hatred...towards women and towards our religious community" and has accused me of "perversion".

He has been warned several times that his accusations cannot be substantiated; he has been given opportunity - encouraged, even - to show proof of any of his accusations against me time and time again, and has been unable to do so. Attacking women and members of a religion because of their religious affiliation are considered hate crimes in the United States and in the City and State of New York, in which I reside, and as such are treated seriously.

Unless he publicly retracts these accusations and issues a public apology to me, he is hereby warned that a lawsuit - a under the laws of the United States and the City and State of New York and the County of Manhattan - for defamation of character (libel) will be brought against him.

Valete,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81517 From: ndduffy1975 Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Hail, and whether or not using it makes you a Nazi
> On 11/1/2010 2:04 PM, publiusalbucius wrote:
> > Please next time avoid the "hail", which evokes a nazi past which is not really appropriate here, even to the support that you bring here, as you were supposed to do, to your friend.
>
Salve,

I think you are somewhat confused. Although the German "heil" and the English "hail" obviously share a fairly recent common ancestor, they are very much distinct in meaning and baggage. Nazis certainly don't spring to my mind when I hear the phrase "hail fellow well met" or "hail and farewell". Nor is this confined to UK English; I understand the American President enters rooms to the sound of "Hail To The Chief", and nobody compares him to a Nazi (actually not strictly true - at any given time, certain political adversaries of the sitting President will indeed compare him to a Nazi, but as they inhabit the outer fringes of sanity at best, they can be discounted).

Finally, if use of that term implied Nazi sympathies or leanings, one would be obliged to refrain, until further investigation, from listening to the music of Mr. Chuck Berry, whose concert film "Hail Hail Rock 'N' Roll" would take on a new and sinister meaning.

Vale,

Nick
(No Roman name adopted as yet)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81518 From: jeancourdant Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Roman Artifacts in New York City
Salvette Omnes,

I am making a brief unscheduled trip to NYC this weekend and was wondering if anyone knows of any interesting Roman artifacts and/or Roman themed attractions to be found in addition to those found at the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

Optime Vale!


C. Octavius Priscus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81519 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: On the use of "Hail"
Nick(o) s.d.

Thanks to you and all who completed my information.

As a Frenchman, and not having the deep knowledge of English/American you have, I cannot hide you that I was initially shocked, knowing that the word was used by an Italian-born civis.

OK, the parenthesis is closed.

This said, this misunderstanding confirms me that we should use our common Latin standards. We would probably loose a bit variety, but would avoid such situations. Here a "Salve or ave" would have worked as well, if there was no ill-intention. :-)

Vale,


P. Memmius Albucius
cos.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "ndduffy1975" <ndduffy1975@...> wrote:
>
> > On 11/1/2010 2:04 PM, publiusalbucius wrote:
> > > Please next time avoid the "hail", which evokes a nazi past which is not really appropriate here, even to the support that you bring here, as you were supposed to do, to your friend.
> >
> Salve,
>
> I think you are somewhat confused. Although the German "heil" and the English "hail" obviously share a fairly recent common ancestor, they are very much distinct in meaning and baggage. Nazis certainly don't spring to my mind when I hear the phrase "hail fellow well met" or "hail and farewell". Nor is this confined to UK English; I understand the American President enters rooms to the sound of "Hail To The Chief", and nobody compares him to a Nazi (actually not strictly true - at any given time, certain political adversaries of the sitting President will indeed compare him to a Nazi, but as they inhabit the outer fringes of sanity at best, they can be discounted).
>
> Finally, if use of that term implied Nazi sympathies or leanings, one would be obliged to refrain, until further investigation, from listening to the music of Mr. Chuck Berry, whose concert film "Hail Hail Rock 'N' Roll" would take on a new and sinister meaning.
>
> Vale,
>
> Nick
> (No Roman name adopted as yet)
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81520 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Ro
L. Livia Plauta V. Rutiliae Enodiariae sal.

Excuse me? I didn't resign from anything. I had already resigned as a custos
ages ago. I haven't resigned as a lictrix yet and I haven't resigned as a
censorial scriba. I only said I will resign before the end of the year.

And any plebeian citizen has a right to be in the CPT list. You don't have
to be a magistrate to be in it.

Vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "enodia2002" <walkyr@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 1:46 AM
Subject: Fw: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re:
[Nova-Roma] TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)


V Rutilia Enodiaria Liviae Plautae sal.

You resigned. I removed you. End of story.

Optime vale,

V Rutilia Enodiaria

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...>
wrote:
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus sal.
>
> Well, apparently the Comitia Plebis Tributa list is owned by a minion of
> Albucius, who took upon herself the task of censoring dissent (see quoted
> message).
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "V" <enodia2002@...>
> To: <ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re:
> [Nova-Roma] TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
>
>
> V Rutilia Enodiaria Liviae Plautae spd.
>
> Thank you for your comments. I will immediately unsubscribe you from this
> list.
>
>
> Optime vale,
>
> V Rutilia Enodiaria
> Listowner
>
>
> Fide cani
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com;
> comitiapopulitributa@yahoogroups.com;
> novaromacomitiacenturiata@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 10:28:27 AM
> Subject: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re:
> [Nova-Roma]
> TO
> ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
>
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>
> "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise
> and
> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
> secular
> perversion of our Res Publica."
>
> Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because
> a
> few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
> office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
> temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
> downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>
> So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to make
> a
> list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>
> By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
> provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
> provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate, not
> the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which
> have
> no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens
> (let
> the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to consul
> Albucius).
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81521 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: elections?
C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus in foro S.P.D.

So, although the mess with the augurs refusing to let the Senate meet in a
legitimate has held up all the IT issues, has there been any progress on
setting up elections yet?

Valete!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81522 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
C. Tullius Valerianus C. Mariae Caecae omnibusque in foro S.P.D.

Bene scripsisti! Novus Romanus sum! Semper Novus Romanus ero!

2010/11/1 C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>

>
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro Salutem Plurimam dicit:
>
> Nova Romana Sum. Semper Nova Romana ero.
>
> Valete bene!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81523 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Elections
Salve Hon. Tulli,

The elections will be held as usual, under a form or another. I will convene them in the next weeks, as will our Tribunes for the plebeian ones.

Our augurs have expressed their position. I will not remember here that, on three augurs, two have been suspended for non-payment of their annual fee. I have requested Censor Iulius that, after having rebuilt our Collegium Pontificum, a new Pontifex Maximus be duly and consensually elected, and our Collegium augurum recomposed, as our Law requests it.

Considering that the curule magistrates own, since the depart of the kings, the auspicia, there will be no problem, if the auspices are favorable, for the curule elections (no auspices required for Plebeian elections).

Vale Valeriani,


P. Memmius Albucius cos.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
>
> C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus in foro S.P.D.
>
> So, although the mess with the augurs refusing to let the Senate meet in a
> legitimate has held up all the IT issues, has there been any progress on
> setting up elections yet?
>
> Valete!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81524 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Gaius Tullius Valerianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.

I have been trying to sort through the enormous mass of nonsense posted
by the former ponitfex maximus pro tempore, who "no longer cares about Nova
Roma" yet remains a citizen for no apparent purpose except to continue to
disrupt the workings of our Republic and our community. A very few of his
rantings require a response:

> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
>
> L. Cornelius Sulla, Q. Caecilius Metellus, C. Equitius Cato, Q. Fabius
> Maximus, Ti. Galerius Paulus, C. Tullius Valerianus Q. Valerius Poplicola,
> Diana Octavia Aventina, among others, plotted a "coup" in the Back Alley to
> depose our elected magistrates and our duly adlected Sacerdotes.
>
Ego respondeo:
That's funny - the record shows that YOU plotted the coup, Piscine!
And badly, too. You bungled every single step of it, you failed in every
conceivable way, demonstrating your ineptitude as well as the gods' disfavor
to you and your plotters. And now you are so bitter you try to say, as a
small child might, "Nuh-uh, it was them!" If you have read the Back Alley
records - and I know you have - you know that the only discussion there was
what to do if you refused to obey our laws. You are guilty of treason and
now you add more slanders and lies to your shame.

Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
Their actions included obscene assaults directed towards our Virgo Maxima
Vestalis and other female Sacerdotes and towards the women in our Senate;
they engaged in sexual harassment of women, especially Sacerdotes

Ego repondeo:
When this lie was first spoken by you, it was already patently
ridiculous. The question was asked, publicly, whether or not any women felt
mistreated by any of those you mention. They came forth in droves to day
that they did not. The women of Nova Roma have told you again and again that
they can stand up for themselves, and don't need you, a man, to defend them.
To assume that the women of Nova Roma cannot stand except supported by you
is misogynistic. And insane.

Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
they assaulted the beliefs of others

Ego respondeo:
None of the people you mentioned has done that. Not even YOU have stooped so
low, to my knowledge. In fact, the only one who can be said to have done
this recently was the former citizen M. Hortensia Maior, with her calls for
crusades to drive non-cultores from Nova Roma. But she was convicted of her
crimes and left Nova Roma, so she cannot be at issue here.

Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
The Consul Impius has usurped unconstitutional authority in many areas,
including his seizure of the Nova-Roma main list where he has prevented
dissent from our Citizens who support the coalition that forms a two-third
majority of our Senate. The actions of Consul P. Memmius Impius and his Back
Alley insurgents are illegal and unconstitutional.

Ego respondeo:
For the record, to my knowledge Consul Albucius is not a member of the
Back Alley, and never has been to my knowledge.
Instead of your pathetic attempt to stick the epithet "Consul Impius"
upon him, why not just refer to him as the Consul? We'll know which consul
you mean - ever since the coup he supported collapsed, Consul Quintilianus
has been effectively useless, whether from the shame of his guilt or some
other reason, and has remained silent. The Republic has only one active
consul, but we are fortunate - or blessed by the gods - to have a strong
consul to lead us through the turmoil you have created.

Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> The minority faction of the Consul Impius has effectively divorced itself
> from the Res Publica that was once Nova Roma. Violating the Constitution and
> the laws that define our civitas, these insurgents have departed from our
> civil society. Having turned themselves against the Gods, thus have they
> abandoned the Pax Deorum that supports the Res Publica, for which purpose
> Nova Roma was founded upon.
>
Ego respondeo:
I have never seen any evidence that you have even read our Constitution, so
great is the weight of your ignorance of our laws. You speak very
comfortably of the "purpose Nova Roma was founded upon," Piscine, but our
Patres Patriae disagree with you. The Founders who remain (some have died,
some have left in disgust at people like you) all seem to agree that your
interpretation of what Nova Roma was founded upon is WRONG. I am not a
Founder - I began to participate in our 2nd year, and gained my citizenship
in our 3rd - but I feel very confident attesting that Nova Roma was not
founded to be your private theocracy, Piscine. The Religio Romana, the
Cultus Deorum, and the Pax Deorum it creates, exists between Nova Roma and
its gods. You are free to go found your Religio Piscina, but it has nothing
to do with Nova Roma or true cultores deorum.

Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> I do not recognize Consul P. Memmius Impius as holding any auctoritas.
>
Ego respondeo:
No one cares what you recognize. You have stated that you "do not care about
Nova Roma," you have failed to obey our laws or our gods, and now you pile
treason upon treason and blasphemy upon blasphemy. Personally, I know not a
single cultor deorum who considers you or what you think to be of any
consequence, except to the degree that you continue to disrupt our
community, our Republic, and our Pax Deorum. You "not not recognize Consul
P. Memmius Albucius as holding any auctoritas?" So what else is new? You
have never respected the authority of our Constitution, our laws, our
customs, or anything else, despite your oaths to the contrary. Would you
have us respect your "auctoritas" as pontifex maximus? As you respected that
of Cassius Pater Patriae, perhaps?
In Cassius we have a real pontifex maximus and a real founder of Nova
Roma, both of which you invoke with your words but spit upon with your
actions, and can never live up to yourself.


> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat::
>
Without the auctoritas derived from the Gods against Whom he has turned, he
> does not hold the authority to call the Senate, or any comitia, or any
> tribunal. Consul P. Memmius Impius has departed from our civitas and from
> our Res Publica. I do not recognize this person to hold any authority.
>
Ego respondeo:
This has about as much effect as declaring yourself the king of the
purple unicorns on planet Mars. We don't care what delusions you suffer. I
suggest you seek mental help and perhaps medication for your disorders,
rather than bothering us with them.

Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
>
> Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and
> recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
> perversion of our Res Publica. As they have departed from the Gods and from
> the Res Publica, so now ought we to depart from them. The future of the
> Religio Romana will not be found among the impious secularists who departed
> with P Memmius Impius. The future of the Religio Romana will instead grow
> among the cultores Deorum, within the local religious communities we create
> together, with the Sacerdotes chosen by comreligionists, and with the
> Collegia of the Res Publica Senatus Populique. It is here that our focus
> must remain, in order to build upon all the success we have had these past
> two years. Thus should all cultores Deorum take their leave from that band
> of faithless renegades.
>
Ego respondeo:
As Venator so eloquently said when you last asked him to break the law:
NO
I am a cultor deorum, and proud of it, despite the shame you bring upon
us all with your crimes. Unlike you, I shall never depart from our community
or disassociate myself from the rightful authority of our Republic and our
gods. I would wish you the best of luck with your "Religio Piscina," but as
it is only a perversion of the cultus deorum Romanorum, i cannot sincerely
so wish it. Still, I hope some day you find some degree of sanity again, and
that is the best I can do. Anyway, the last time you stormed off in a huff
from Nova Roma and did the SVR thing for a while, it seemed to work out well
for you, so THIS tantrum on your part might work out as well for you. But if
you come back to Nova Roma AGAIN, this time give us some advance notice when
you're planning your NEXT big tantrum and storming out in a huff. OK? It
makes it easier for us to get on with the business of our Republic and our
religion if we don't have to make time for your childishness every few
years.

Cura ut valeas, Piscine impie!
>
Curate ut valeatis, Romani!

>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81525 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Being banned from mailing lists
L. Livia Plauta omnibus sal.

So far I have been banned by V. Rutilia Enodiaria from the Comitia Plebis
Tributa list for posting my reply to Piscinus' message, and by P. Memmius
Albucius from the Italian Nova Roma list for having forwarded there
Piscinus' message.

Now things are getting exciting! I get to sit around and watch to see how
long it takes for my right to free speech to be totally suppressed. And all
this with no real risks to me, because it happens only in an Internet
community. A once-in-a-lifetime chance to experience a simulated
totalitarian regime!

Do not think that I will be making things easy. I am still an assidua of
Nova Roma: I'm not going anywhere of my free will and I will continue to
express my opinions. If you want to get rid of me you will have to drive me
out!

Optime valete,
Livia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81526 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Being banned from mailing lists
Ave!

Why are you only focusing on yourself and not on the original banishment
done by Piscinus? Or is it ok for him to ban people but not ok for V?

Vale,

Sulla

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:09 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:

>
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus sal.
>
> So far I have been banned by V. Rutilia Enodiaria from the Comitia Plebis
> Tributa list for posting my reply to Piscinus' message, and by P. Memmius
> Albucius from the Italian Nova Roma list for having forwarded there
> Piscinus' message.
>
> Now things are getting exciting! I get to sit around and watch to see how
> long it takes for my right to free speech to be totally suppressed. And all
>
> this with no real risks to me, because it happens only in an Internet
> community. A once-in-a-lifetime chance to experience a simulated
> totalitarian regime!
>
> Do not think that I will be making things easy. I am still an assidua of
> Nova Roma: I'm not going anywhere of my free will and I will continue to
> express my opinions. If you want to get rid of me you will have to drive me
>
> out!
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81527 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Elections
C. Tullius Valerianus P. Memmio Albucio Consuli S.P.D.

Gratias tibi ago, consul! Thank you for your quick reply! I am glad to
hear this news!

Cura ut valeas!



On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:49 PM, publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...>wrote:

>
>
> Salve Hon. Tulli,
>
> The elections will be held as usual, under a form or another. I will
> convene them in the next weeks, as will our Tribunes for the plebeian ones.
>
> Our augurs have expressed their position. I will not remember here that, on
> three augurs, two have been suspended for non-payment of their annual fee. I
> have requested Censor Iulius that, after having rebuilt our Collegium
> Pontificum, a new Pontifex Maximus be duly and consensually elected, and our
> Collegium augurum recomposed, as our Law requests it.
>
> Considering that the curule magistrates own, since the depart of the kings,
> the auspicia, there will be no problem, if the auspices are favorable, for
> the curule elections (no auspices required for Plebeian elections).
>
> Vale Valeriani,
>
> P. Memmius Albucius cos.
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81528 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
M. HOrtensia Maior cultoribus spd;

I've just come back from a wonderful time in Pannonia; I had that amazing sellisternium to Bona Dea with Livia Plauta and another cultrix Lucretia Capillata, then a small intimate ceremony with Lentulus and many talks about religio with them both that were so great, sharing, discussing, learning; it was truly fantastic. Here are some pics.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=244846&id=828009843&fbid=455913734843

I don't miss the endless sterile time-draining arguing of NR. More time for the gods & Romanitas; less for stupidity.

I just want to say to all cultores;
who is performing rituals?
Who is out publically worshipping the gods?
who is actively recruiting & spreading the cultus deorum?
who is making films, photos of these events?

Everything else is just online nonsense.
di nobis favent
M. Hortensia Maior Fabiana
cultrix et civis Romana sum.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
>
> Gaius Tullius Valerianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.
>
> I have been trying to sort through the enormous mass of nonsense posted
> by the former ponitfex maximus pro tempore, who "no longer cares about Nova
> Roma" yet remains a citizen for no apparent purpose except to continue to
> disrupt the workings of our Republic and our community. A very few of his
> rantings require a response:
>
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> >
> > L. Cornelius Sulla, Q. Caecilius Metellus, C. Equitius Cato, Q. Fabius
> > Maximus, Ti. Galerius Paulus, C. Tullius Valerianus Q. Valerius Poplicola,
> > Diana Octavia Aventina, among others, plotted a "coup" in the Back Alley to
> > depose our elected magistrates and our duly adlected Sacerdotes.
> >
> Ego respondeo:
> That's funny - the record shows that YOU plotted the coup, Piscine!
> And badly, too. You bungled every single step of it, you failed in every
> conceivable way, demonstrating your ineptitude as well as the gods' disfavor
> to you and your plotters. And now you are so bitter you try to say, as a
> small child might, "Nuh-uh, it was them!" If you have read the Back Alley
> records - and I know you have - you know that the only discussion there was
> what to do if you refused to obey our laws. You are guilty of treason and
> now you add more slanders and lies to your shame.
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> Their actions included obscene assaults directed towards our Virgo Maxima
> Vestalis and other female Sacerdotes and towards the women in our Senate;
> they engaged in sexual harassment of women, especially Sacerdotes
>
> Ego repondeo:
> When this lie was first spoken by you, it was already patently
> ridiculous. The question was asked, publicly, whether or not any women felt
> mistreated by any of those you mention. They came forth in droves to day
> that they did not. The women of Nova Roma have told you again and again that
> they can stand up for themselves, and don't need you, a man, to defend them.
> To assume that the women of Nova Roma cannot stand except supported by you
> is misogynistic. And insane.
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> they assaulted the beliefs of others
>
> Ego respondeo:
> None of the people you mentioned has done that. Not even YOU have stooped so
> low, to my knowledge. In fact, the only one who can be said to have done
> this recently was the former citizen M. Hortensia Maior, with her calls for
> crusades to drive non-cultores from Nova Roma. But she was convicted of her
> crimes and left Nova Roma, so she cannot be at issue here.
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> The Consul Impius has usurped unconstitutional authority in many areas,
> including his seizure of the Nova-Roma main list where he has prevented
> dissent from our Citizens who support the coalition that forms a two-third
> majority of our Senate. The actions of Consul P. Memmius Impius and his Back
> Alley insurgents are illegal and unconstitutional.
>
> Ego respondeo:
> For the record, to my knowledge Consul Albucius is not a member of the
> Back Alley, and never has been to my knowledge.
> Instead of your pathetic attempt to stick the epithet "Consul Impius"
> upon him, why not just refer to him as the Consul? We'll know which consul
> you mean - ever since the coup he supported collapsed, Consul Quintilianus
> has been effectively useless, whether from the shame of his guilt or some
> other reason, and has remained silent. The Republic has only one active
> consul, but we are fortunate - or blessed by the gods - to have a strong
> consul to lead us through the turmoil you have created.
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > The minority faction of the Consul Impius has effectively divorced itself
> > from the Res Publica that was once Nova Roma. Violating the Constitution and
> > the laws that define our civitas, these insurgents have departed from our
> > civil society. Having turned themselves against the Gods, thus have they
> > abandoned the Pax Deorum that supports the Res Publica, for which purpose
> > Nova Roma was founded upon.
> >
> Ego respondeo:
> I have never seen any evidence that you have even read our Constitution, so
> great is the weight of your ignorance of our laws. You speak very
> comfortably of the "purpose Nova Roma was founded upon," Piscine, but our
> Patres Patriae disagree with you. The Founders who remain (some have died,
> some have left in disgust at people like you) all seem to agree that your
> interpretation of what Nova Roma was founded upon is WRONG. I am not a
> Founder - I began to participate in our 2nd year, and gained my citizenship
> in our 3rd - but I feel very confident attesting that Nova Roma was not
> founded to be your private theocracy, Piscine. The Religio Romana, the
> Cultus Deorum, and the Pax Deorum it creates, exists between Nova Roma and
> its gods. You are free to go found your Religio Piscina, but it has nothing
> to do with Nova Roma or true cultores deorum.
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > I do not recognize Consul P. Memmius Impius as holding any auctoritas.
> >
> Ego respondeo:
> No one cares what you recognize. You have stated that you "do not care about
> Nova Roma," you have failed to obey our laws or our gods, and now you pile
> treason upon treason and blasphemy upon blasphemy. Personally, I know not a
> single cultor deorum who considers you or what you think to be of any
> consequence, except to the degree that you continue to disrupt our
> community, our Republic, and our Pax Deorum. You "not not recognize Consul
> P. Memmius Albucius as holding any auctoritas?" So what else is new? You
> have never respected the authority of our Constitution, our laws, our
> customs, or anything else, despite your oaths to the contrary. Would you
> have us respect your "auctoritas" as pontifex maximus? As you respected that
> of Cassius Pater Patriae, perhaps?
> In Cassius we have a real pontifex maximus and a real founder of Nova
> Roma, both of which you invoke with your words but spit upon with your
> actions, and can never live up to yourself.
>
>
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat::
> >
> Without the auctoritas derived from the Gods against Whom he has turned, he
> > does not hold the authority to call the Senate, or any comitia, or any
> > tribunal. Consul P. Memmius Impius has departed from our civitas and from
> > our Res Publica. I do not recognize this person to hold any authority.
> >
> Ego respondeo:
> This has about as much effect as declaring yourself the king of the
> purple unicorns on planet Mars. We don't care what delusions you suffer. I
> suggest you seek mental help and perhaps medication for your disorders,
> rather than bothering us with them.
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> >
> > Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and
> > recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> > controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
> > perversion of our Res Publica. As they have departed from the Gods and from
> > the Res Publica, so now ought we to depart from them. The future of the
> > Religio Romana will not be found among the impious secularists who departed
> > with P Memmius Impius. The future of the Religio Romana will instead grow
> > among the cultores Deorum, within the local religious communities we create
> > together, with the Sacerdotes chosen by comreligionists, and with the
> > Collegia of the Res Publica Senatus Populique. It is here that our focus
> > must remain, in order to build upon all the success we have had these past
> > two years. Thus should all cultores Deorum take their leave from that band
> > of faithless renegades.
> >
> Ego respondeo:
> As Venator so eloquently said when you last asked him to break the law:
> NO
> I am a cultor deorum, and proud of it, despite the shame you bring upon
> us all with your crimes. Unlike you, I shall never depart from our community
> or disassociate myself from the rightful authority of our Republic and our
> gods. I would wish you the best of luck with your "Religio Piscina," but as
> it is only a perversion of the cultus deorum Romanorum, i cannot sincerely
> so wish it. Still, I hope some day you find some degree of sanity again, and
> that is the best I can do. Anyway, the last time you stormed off in a huff
> from Nova Roma and did the SVR thing for a while, it seemed to work out well
> for you, so THIS tantrum on your part might work out as well for you. But if
> you come back to Nova Roma AGAIN, this time give us some advance notice when
> you're planning your NEXT big tantrum and storming out in a huff. OK? It
> makes it easier for us to get on with the business of our Republic and our
> religion if we don't have to make time for your childishness every few
> years.
>
> Cura ut valeas, Piscine impie!
> >
> Curate ut valeatis, Romani!
>
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81529 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Ave,

You have never gotten the full picture of nova Roma! It is more than just religion it is also a state of mind! This weekend I had a wonderful chance to met nova Romans in the east coast and to borrow a phrase that was uttered at the meeting - the militarium is just as important a facet in nr! So is the cooking sodalitas, so is the new Roman group, so is the muses.

You who focus just and only on the religio does a disservice to the greater reach which was the primary reason for nova roma's founding!

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2010, at 3:17 PM, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:

> M. HOrtensia Maior cultoribus spd;
>
> I've just come back from a wonderful time in Pannonia; I had that amazing sellisternium to Bona Dea with Livia Plauta and another cultrix Lucretia Capillata, then a small intimate ceremony with Lentulus and many talks about religio with them both that were so great, sharing, discussing, learning; it was truly fantastic. Here are some pics.
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=244846&id=828009843&fbid=455913734843
>
> I don't miss the endless sterile time-draining arguing of NR. More time for the gods & Romanitas; less for stupidity.
>
> I just want to say to all cultores;
> who is performing rituals?
> Who is out publically worshipping the gods?
> who is actively recruiting & spreading the cultus deorum?
> who is making films, photos of these events?
>
> Everything else is just online nonsense.
> di nobis favent
> M. Hortensia Maior Fabiana
> cultrix et civis Romana sum.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
> >
> > Gaius Tullius Valerianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.
> >
> > I have been trying to sort through the enormous mass of nonsense posted
> > by the former ponitfex maximus pro tempore, who "no longer cares about Nova
> > Roma" yet remains a citizen for no apparent purpose except to continue to
> > disrupt the workings of our Republic and our community. A very few of his
> > rantings require a response:
> >
> > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > >
> > > L. Cornelius Sulla, Q. Caecilius Metellus, C. Equitius Cato, Q. Fabius
> > > Maximus, Ti. Galerius Paulus, C. Tullius Valerianus Q. Valerius Poplicola,
> > > Diana Octavia Aventina, among others, plotted a "coup" in the Back Alley to
> > > depose our elected magistrates and our duly adlected Sacerdotes.
> > >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > That's funny - the record shows that YOU plotted the coup, Piscine!
> > And badly, too. You bungled every single step of it, you failed in every
> > conceivable way, demonstrating your ineptitude as well as the gods' disfavor
> > to you and your plotters. And now you are so bitter you try to say, as a
> > small child might, "Nuh-uh, it was them!" If you have read the Back Alley
> > records - and I know you have - you know that the only discussion there was
> > what to do if you refused to obey our laws. You are guilty of treason and
> > now you add more slanders and lies to your shame.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > Their actions included obscene assaults directed towards our Virgo Maxima
> > Vestalis and other female Sacerdotes and towards the women in our Senate;
> > they engaged in sexual harassment of women, especially Sacerdotes
> >
> > Ego repondeo:
> > When this lie was first spoken by you, it was already patently
> > ridiculous. The question was asked, publicly, whether or not any women felt
> > mistreated by any of those you mention. They came forth in droves to day
> > that they did not. The women of Nova Roma have told you again and again that
> > they can stand up for themselves, and don't need you, a man, to defend them.
> > To assume that the women of Nova Roma cannot stand except supported by you
> > is misogynistic. And insane.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > they assaulted the beliefs of others
> >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > None of the people you mentioned has done that. Not even YOU have stooped so
> > low, to my knowledge. In fact, the only one who can be said to have done
> > this recently was the former citizen M. Hortensia Maior, with her calls for
> > crusades to drive non-cultores from Nova Roma. But she was convicted of her
> > crimes and left Nova Roma, so she cannot be at issue here.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > The Consul Impius has usurped unconstitutional authority in many areas,
> > including his seizure of the Nova-Roma main list where he has prevented
> > dissent from our Citizens who support the coalition that forms a two-third
> > majority of our Senate. The actions of Consul P. Memmius Impius and his Back
> > Alley insurgents are illegal and unconstitutional.
> >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > For the record, to my knowledge Consul Albucius is not a member of the
> > Back Alley, and never has been to my knowledge.
> > Instead of your pathetic attempt to stick the epithet "Consul Impius"
> > upon him, why not just refer to him as the Consul? We'll know which consul
> > you mean - ever since the coup he supported collapsed, Consul Quintilianus
> > has been effectively useless, whether from the shame of his guilt or some
> > other reason, and has remained silent. The Republic has only one active
> > consul, but we are fortunate - or blessed by the gods - to have a strong
> > consul to lead us through the turmoil you have created.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > The minority faction of the Consul Impius has effectively divorced itself
> > > from the Res Publica that was once Nova Roma. Violating the Constitution and
> > > the laws that define our civitas, these insurgents have departed from our
> > > civil society. Having turned themselves against the Gods, thus have they
> > > abandoned the Pax Deorum that supports the Res Publica, for which purpose
> > > Nova Roma was founded upon.
> > >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > I have never seen any evidence that you have even read our Constitution, so
> > great is the weight of your ignorance of our laws. You speak very
> > comfortably of the "purpose Nova Roma was founded upon," Piscine, but our
> > Patres Patriae disagree with you. The Founders who remain (some have died,
> > some have left in disgust at people like you) all seem to agree that your
> > interpretation of what Nova Roma was founded upon is WRONG. I am not a
> > Founder - I began to participate in our 2nd year, and gained my citizenship
> > in our 3rd - but I feel very confident attesting that Nova Roma was not
> > founded to be your private theocracy, Piscine. The Religio Romana, the
> > Cultus Deorum, and the Pax Deorum it creates, exists between Nova Roma and
> > its gods. You are free to go found your Religio Piscina, but it has nothing
> > to do with Nova Roma or true cultores deorum.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > I do not recognize Consul P. Memmius Impius as holding any auctoritas.
> > >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > No one cares what you recognize. You have stated that you "do not care about
> > Nova Roma," you have failed to obey our laws or our gods, and now you pile
> > treason upon treason and blasphemy upon blasphemy. Personally, I know not a
> > single cultor deorum who considers you or what you think to be of any
> > consequence, except to the degree that you continue to disrupt our
> > community, our Republic, and our Pax Deorum. You "not not recognize Consul
> > P. Memmius Albucius as holding any auctoritas?" So what else is new? You
> > have never respected the authority of our Constitution, our laws, our
> > customs, or anything else, despite your oaths to the contrary. Would you
> > have us respect your "auctoritas" as pontifex maximus? As you respected that
> > of Cassius Pater Patriae, perhaps?
> > In Cassius we have a real pontifex maximus and a real founder of Nova
> > Roma, both of which you invoke with your words but spit upon with your
> > actions, and can never live up to yourself.
> >
> >
> > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat::
> > >
> > Without the auctoritas derived from the Gods against Whom he has turned, he
> > > does not hold the authority to call the Senate, or any comitia, or any
> > > tribunal. Consul P. Memmius Impius has departed from our civitas and from
> > > our Res Publica. I do not recognize this person to hold any authority.
> > >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > This has about as much effect as declaring yourself the king of the
> > purple unicorns on planet Mars. We don't care what delusions you suffer. I
> > suggest you seek mental help and perhaps medication for your disorders,
> > rather than bothering us with them.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > >
> > > Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and
> > > recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> > > controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
> > > perversion of our Res Publica. As they have departed from the Gods and from
> > > the Res Publica, so now ought we to depart from them. The future of the
> > > Religio Romana will not be found among the impious secularists who departed
> > > with P Memmius Impius. The future of the Religio Romana will instead grow
> > > among the cultores Deorum, within the local religious communities we create
> > > together, with the Sacerdotes chosen by comreligionists, and with the
> > > Collegia of the Res Publica Senatus Populique. It is here that our focus
> > > must remain, in order to build upon all the success we have had these past
> > > two years. Thus should all cultores Deorum take their leave from that band
> > > of faithless renegades.
> > >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > As Venator so eloquently said when you last asked him to break the law:
> > NO
> > I am a cultor deorum, and proud of it, despite the shame you bring upon
> > us all with your crimes. Unlike you, I shall never depart from our community
> > or disassociate myself from the rightful authority of our Republic and our
> > gods. I would wish you the best of luck with your "Religio Piscina," but as
> > it is only a perversion of the cultus deorum Romanorum, i cannot sincerely
> > so wish it. Still, I hope some day you find some degree of sanity again, and
> > that is the best I can do. Anyway, the last time you stormed off in a huff
> > from Nova Roma and did the SVR thing for a while, it seemed to work out well
> > for you, so THIS tantrum on your part might work out as well for you. But if
> > you come back to Nova Roma AGAIN, this time give us some advance notice when
> > you're planning your NEXT big tantrum and storming out in a huff. OK? It
> > makes it easier for us to get on with the business of our Republic and our
> > religion if we don't have to make time for your childishness every few
> > years.
> >
> > Cura ut valeas, Piscine impie!
> > >
> > Curate ut valeatis, Romani!
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81530 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salvete;
this is why I am in self-exile.
this is what the NR splash page says:

"Dedicated to the restoration of classical Roman religion, culture and virtues"

Religio comes first. As it did for the ancient Romans. Cooking & marching don't = equal worshipping Iuppiter O.M, Bona Dea, Apollo, Hercules and the di immortales

May the gods favour those who give them their due!!
M. Hortensia Maior


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> You have never gotten the full picture of nova Roma! It is more than just religion it is also a state of mind! This weekend I had a wonderful chance to met nova Romans in the east coast and to borrow a phrase that was uttered at the meeting - the militarium is just as important a facet in nr! So is the cooking sodalitas, so is the new Roman group, so is the muses.
>
> You who focus just and only on the religio does a disservice to the greater reach which was the primary reason for nova roma's founding!
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 2, 2010, at 3:17 PM, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> > M. HOrtensia Maior cultoribus spd;
> >
> > I've just come back from a wonderful time in Pannonia; I had that amazing sellisternium to Bona Dea with Livia Plauta and another cultrix Lucretia Capillata, then a small intimate ceremony with Lentulus and many talks about religio with them both that were so great, sharing, discussing, learning; it was truly fantastic. Here are some pics.
> > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=244846&id=828009843&fbid=455913734843
> >
> > I don't miss the endless sterile time-draining arguing of NR. More time for the gods & Romanitas; less for stupidity.
> >
> > I just want to say to all cultores;
> > who is performing rituals?
> > Who is out publically worshipping the gods?
> > who is actively recruiting & spreading the cultus deorum?
> > who is making films, photos of these events?
> >
> > Everything else is just online nonsense.
> > di nobis favent
> > M. Hortensia Maior Fabiana
> > cultrix et civis Romana sum.
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Gaius Tullius Valerianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.
> > >
> > > I have been trying to sort through the enormous mass of nonsense posted
> > > by the former ponitfex maximus pro tempore, who "no longer cares about Nova
> > > Roma" yet remains a citizen for no apparent purpose except to continue to
> > > disrupt the workings of our Republic and our community. A very few of his
> > > rantings require a response:
> > >
> > > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > >
> > > > L. Cornelius Sulla, Q. Caecilius Metellus, C. Equitius Cato, Q. Fabius
> > > > Maximus, Ti. Galerius Paulus, C. Tullius Valerianus Q. Valerius Poplicola,
> > > > Diana Octavia Aventina, among others, plotted a "coup" in the Back Alley to
> > > > depose our elected magistrates and our duly adlected Sacerdotes.
> > > >
> > > Ego respondeo:
> > > That's funny - the record shows that YOU plotted the coup, Piscine!
> > > And badly, too. You bungled every single step of it, you failed in every
> > > conceivable way, demonstrating your ineptitude as well as the gods' disfavor
> > > to you and your plotters. And now you are so bitter you try to say, as a
> > > small child might, "Nuh-uh, it was them!" If you have read the Back Alley
> > > records - and I know you have - you know that the only discussion there was
> > > what to do if you refused to obey our laws. You are guilty of treason and
> > > now you add more slanders and lies to your shame.
> > >
> > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > Their actions included obscene assaults directed towards our Virgo Maxima
> > > Vestalis and other female Sacerdotes and towards the women in our Senate;
> > > they engaged in sexual harassment of women, especially Sacerdotes
> > >
> > > Ego repondeo:
> > > When this lie was first spoken by you, it was already patently
> > > ridiculous. The question was asked, publicly, whether or not any women felt
> > > mistreated by any of those you mention. They came forth in droves to day
> > > that they did not. The women of Nova Roma have told you again and again that
> > > they can stand up for themselves, and don't need you, a man, to defend them.
> > > To assume that the women of Nova Roma cannot stand except supported by you
> > > is misogynistic. And insane.
> > >
> > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > they assaulted the beliefs of others
> > >
> > > Ego respondeo:
> > > None of the people you mentioned has done that. Not even YOU have stooped so
> > > low, to my knowledge. In fact, the only one who can be said to have done
> > > this recently was the former citizen M. Hortensia Maior, with her calls for
> > > crusades to drive non-cultores from Nova Roma. But she was convicted of her
> > > crimes and left Nova Roma, so she cannot be at issue here.
> > >
> > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > The Consul Impius has usurped unconstitutional authority in many areas,
> > > including his seizure of the Nova-Roma main list where he has prevented
> > > dissent from our Citizens who support the coalition that forms a two-third
> > > majority of our Senate. The actions of Consul P. Memmius Impius and his Back
> > > Alley insurgents are illegal and unconstitutional.
> > >
> > > Ego respondeo:
> > > For the record, to my knowledge Consul Albucius is not a member of the
> > > Back Alley, and never has been to my knowledge.
> > > Instead of your pathetic attempt to stick the epithet "Consul Impius"
> > > upon him, why not just refer to him as the Consul? We'll know which consul
> > > you mean - ever since the coup he supported collapsed, Consul Quintilianus
> > > has been effectively useless, whether from the shame of his guilt or some
> > > other reason, and has remained silent. The Republic has only one active
> > > consul, but we are fortunate - or blessed by the gods - to have a strong
> > > consul to lead us through the turmoil you have created.
> > >
> > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > > The minority faction of the Consul Impius has effectively divorced itself
> > > > from the Res Publica that was once Nova Roma. Violating the Constitution and
> > > > the laws that define our civitas, these insurgents have departed from our
> > > > civil society. Having turned themselves against the Gods, thus have they
> > > > abandoned the Pax Deorum that supports the Res Publica, for which purpose
> > > > Nova Roma was founded upon.
> > > >
> > > Ego respondeo:
> > > I have never seen any evidence that you have even read our Constitution, so
> > > great is the weight of your ignorance of our laws. You speak very
> > > comfortably of the "purpose Nova Roma was founded upon," Piscine, but our
> > > Patres Patriae disagree with you. The Founders who remain (some have died,
> > > some have left in disgust at people like you) all seem to agree that your
> > > interpretation of what Nova Roma was founded upon is WRONG. I am not a
> > > Founder - I began to participate in our 2nd year, and gained my citizenship
> > > in our 3rd - but I feel very confident attesting that Nova Roma was not
> > > founded to be your private theocracy, Piscine. The Religio Romana, the
> > > Cultus Deorum, and the Pax Deorum it creates, exists between Nova Roma and
> > > its gods. You are free to go found your Religio Piscina, but it has nothing
> > > to do with Nova Roma or true cultores deorum.
> > >
> > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > > I do not recognize Consul P. Memmius Impius as holding any auctoritas.
> > > >
> > > Ego respondeo:
> > > No one cares what you recognize. You have stated that you "do not care about
> > > Nova Roma," you have failed to obey our laws or our gods, and now you pile
> > > treason upon treason and blasphemy upon blasphemy. Personally, I know not a
> > > single cultor deorum who considers you or what you think to be of any
> > > consequence, except to the degree that you continue to disrupt our
> > > community, our Republic, and our Pax Deorum. You "not not recognize Consul
> > > P. Memmius Albucius as holding any auctoritas?" So what else is new? You
> > > have never respected the authority of our Constitution, our laws, our
> > > customs, or anything else, despite your oaths to the contrary. Would you
> > > have us respect your "auctoritas" as pontifex maximus? As you respected that
> > > of Cassius Pater Patriae, perhaps?
> > > In Cassius we have a real pontifex maximus and a real founder of Nova
> > > Roma, both of which you invoke with your words but spit upon with your
> > > actions, and can never live up to yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat::
> > > >
> > > Without the auctoritas derived from the Gods against Whom he has turned, he
> > > > does not hold the authority to call the Senate, or any comitia, or any
> > > > tribunal. Consul P. Memmius Impius has departed from our civitas and from
> > > > our Res Publica. I do not recognize this person to hold any authority.
> > > >
> > > Ego respondeo:
> > > This has about as much effect as declaring yourself the king of the
> > > purple unicorns on planet Mars. We don't care what delusions you suffer. I
> > > suggest you seek mental help and perhaps medication for your disorders,
> > > rather than bothering us with them.
> > >
> > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise and
> > > > recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> > > > controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their secular
> > > > perversion of our Res Publica. As they have departed from the Gods and from
> > > > the Res Publica, so now ought we to depart from them. The future of the
> > > > Religio Romana will not be found among the impious secularists who departed
> > > > with P Memmius Impius. The future of the Religio Romana will instead grow
> > > > among the cultores Deorum, within the local religious communities we create
> > > > together, with the Sacerdotes chosen by comreligionists, and with the
> > > > Collegia of the Res Publica Senatus Populique. It is here that our focus
> > > > must remain, in order to build upon all the success we have had these past
> > > > two years. Thus should all cultores Deorum take their leave from that band
> > > > of faithless renegades.
> > > >
> > > Ego respondeo:
> > > As Venator so eloquently said when you last asked him to break the law:
> > > NO
> > > I am a cultor deorum, and proud of it, despite the shame you bring upon
> > > us all with your crimes. Unlike you, I shall never depart from our community
> > > or disassociate myself from the rightful authority of our Republic and our
> > > gods. I would wish you the best of luck with your "Religio Piscina," but as
> > > it is only a perversion of the cultus deorum Romanorum, i cannot sincerely
> > > so wish it. Still, I hope some day you find some degree of sanity again, and
> > > that is the best I can do. Anyway, the last time you stormed off in a huff
> > > from Nova Roma and did the SVR thing for a while, it seemed to work out well
> > > for you, so THIS tantrum on your part might work out as well for you. But if
> > > you come back to Nova Roma AGAIN, this time give us some advance notice when
> > > you're planning your NEXT big tantrum and storming out in a huff. OK? It
> > > makes it easier for us to get on with the business of our Republic and our
> > > religion if we don't have to make time for your childishness every few
> > > years.
> > >
> > > Cura ut valeas, Piscine impie!
> > > >
> > > Curate ut valeatis, Romani!
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81531 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Ave!

The splash page....that is your response! Really?

How about an actual DOCUMENT? Like lets say the Declaratio!

We, the Senate and People of New Rome, in order to restore the foundations
of Western civilization, declare the founding of Nova
Roma<http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Nova_Roma>as a sovereign nation. We
manifest Nova Roma as an independent world nation
and republic, with its own legal constitution and lawful government, with
all international rights and responsibilities that such status carries.

As a sovereign nation Nova Roma makes the following claim to various
international territories and rights:

We acknowledge ancient Roman territory to be our cultural and religious
homeland, and claim historical rights to all sites and territories which
were under the direct control or administration of the ancient Roman
Republic and Empire between 753 BCE and 395 CE.

We recognize the modern political realities which make the restoration of
such ancient lands to us impossible. Therefore we limit our active
territorial claim to an amount of land at least equal to that held by the
sovereign state of Vatican City; 108 contiguous acres. On this land a world
capital for the administration of our culture will be founded in the form of
a Forum Romanum. The exact site for this New Roman governmental and
spiritual capital is to be determined.

Further, in order that our world presence may be established, Nova Roma
claims our physical territory to be extant and manifest through those places
that our state, citizens, and religious organizations may physically own,
occupy, and maintain throughout the world. These territories shall exist in
a status of dual sovereignty, being under the cultural and spiritual
administration of Nova Roma, even as they remain under the civil dominion
and laws of other hosting nations. Our pledge is to embody a benign and
beneficial cultural and spiritual influence throughout all societies, while
remaining politically neutral and lawful in action.

Nova Roma also claims temporary dual sovereignty over all other sites where
the gods and goddesses of ancient Rome shall be worshiped by our citizens,
to preserve our cultural and spiritual unity. This dual sovereignty shall be
administered by the People directly and shall last only for the duration of
religious ceremonies and rites. In this way we shall remain one culture and
nation, even as we exist throughout other world countries.

Citizenship in Nova Roma is open to people of all nationalities and races.
The express purpose of our nation is to promote international understanding
and cooperation through the preservation of our common classical foundation,
and to breathe new life and honor into all Western Civilization through the
restoration of ancient Piety, Virtue, and Civilitas.

We, the citizens and Senate of New Rome hereby formally renounce, eternally
and without exception, the use of force, rebellion, coercion, or
intimidation in the pursuit of our international status and claims. We
strive to exist as a lawful, peaceful and benign nation, in accord with the
principles acknowledged and shared by the world community.

Signed this day on behalf of the Senate and People of the New Rome:

prid. Kal. Mar. ‡ <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_dates>, Fl. Vedio M.
Cassio cos. ‡ <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Consular_Years_%28Nova_Roma%29>
MMDCCLI <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/MMDCCLI>
a.u.c.<http://www.novaroma.org/nr/AUC>

Fl. Vedius Germanicus<http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Flavius_Vedius_Germanicus_%28Nova_Roma%29>,
Consul

M. Cassius Iulianus<http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Marcus_Cassius_Iulianus_%28Nova_Roma%29>,
Consul


http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_%28Nova_Roma%29


Vale,


Sulla


On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:28 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete;
> this is why I am in self-exile.
> this is what the NR splash page says:
>
> "Dedicated to the restoration of classical Roman religion, culture and
> virtues"
>
> Religio comes first. As it did for the ancient Romans. Cooking & marching
> don't = equal worshipping Iuppiter O.M, Bona Dea, Apollo, Hercules and the
> di immortales
>
> May the gods favour those who give them their due!!
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ave,
> >
> > You have never gotten the full picture of nova Roma! It is more than just
> religion it is also a state of mind! This weekend I had a wonderful chance
> to met nova Romans in the east coast and to borrow a phrase that was uttered
> at the meeting - the militarium is just as important a facet in nr! So is
> the cooking sodalitas, so is the new Roman group, so is the muses.
> >
> > You who focus just and only on the religio does a disservice to the
> greater reach which was the primary reason for nova roma's founding!
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 2, 2010, at 3:17 PM, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
> >
> > > M. HOrtensia Maior cultoribus spd;
> > >
> > > I've just come back from a wonderful time in Pannonia; I had that
> amazing sellisternium to Bona Dea with Livia Plauta and another cultrix
> Lucretia Capillata, then a small intimate ceremony with Lentulus and many
> talks about religio with them both that were so great, sharing, discussing,
> learning; it was truly fantastic. Here are some pics.
> > >
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=244846&id=828009843&fbid=455913734843
> > >
> > > I don't miss the endless sterile time-draining arguing of NR. More time
> for the gods & Romanitas; less for stupidity.
> > >
> > > I just want to say to all cultores;
> > > who is performing rituals?
> > > Who is out publically worshipping the gods?
> > > who is actively recruiting & spreading the cultus deorum?
> > > who is making films, photos of these events?
> > >
> > > Everything else is just online nonsense.
> > > di nobis favent
> > > M. Hortensia Maior Fabiana
> > > cultrix et civis Romana sum.
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Gaius
> Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gaius Tullius Valerianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.
> > > >
> > > > I have been trying to sort through the enormous mass of nonsense
> posted
> > > > by the former ponitfex maximus pro tempore, who "no longer cares
> about Nova
> > > > Roma" yet remains a citizen for no apparent purpose except to
> continue to
> > > > disrupt the workings of our Republic and our community. A very few of
> his
> > > > rantings require a response:
> > > >
> > > > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > > >
> > > > > L. Cornelius Sulla, Q. Caecilius Metellus, C. Equitius Cato, Q.
> Fabius
> > > > > Maximus, Ti. Galerius Paulus, C. Tullius Valerianus Q. Valerius
> Poplicola,
> > > > > Diana Octavia Aventina, among others, plotted a "coup" in the Back
> Alley to
> > > > > depose our elected magistrates and our duly adlected Sacerdotes.
> > > > >
> > > > Ego respondeo:
> > > > That's funny - the record shows that YOU plotted the coup, Piscine!
> > > > And badly, too. You bungled every single step of it, you failed in
> every
> > > > conceivable way, demonstrating your ineptitude as well as the gods'
> disfavor
> > > > to you and your plotters. And now you are so bitter you try to say,
> as a
> > > > small child might, "Nuh-uh, it was them!" If you have read the Back
> Alley
> > > > records - and I know you have - you know that the only discussion
> there was
> > > > what to do if you refused to obey our laws. You are guilty of treason
> and
> > > > now you add more slanders and lies to your shame.
> > > >
> > > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > > Their actions included obscene assaults directed towards our Virgo
> Maxima
> > > > Vestalis and other female Sacerdotes and towards the women in our
> Senate;
> > > > they engaged in sexual harassment of women, especially Sacerdotes
> > > >
> > > > Ego repondeo:
> > > > When this lie was first spoken by you, it was already patently
> > > > ridiculous. The question was asked, publicly, whether or not any
> women felt
> > > > mistreated by any of those you mention. They came forth in droves to
> day
> > > > that they did not. The women of Nova Roma have told you again and
> again that
> > > > they can stand up for themselves, and don't need you, a man, to
> defend them.
> > > > To assume that the women of Nova Roma cannot stand except supported
> by you
> > > > is misogynistic. And insane.
> > > >
> > > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > > they assaulted the beliefs of others
> > > >
> > > > Ego respondeo:
> > > > None of the people you mentioned has done that. Not even YOU have
> stooped so
> > > > low, to my knowledge. In fact, the only one who can be said to have
> done
> > > > this recently was the former citizen M. Hortensia Maior, with her
> calls for
> > > > crusades to drive non-cultores from Nova Roma. But she was convicted
> of her
> > > > crimes and left Nova Roma, so she cannot be at issue here.
> > > >
> > > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > > The Consul Impius has usurped unconstitutional authority in many
> areas,
> > > > including his seizure of the Nova-Roma main list where he has
> prevented
> > > > dissent from our Citizens who support the coalition that forms a
> two-third
> > > > majority of our Senate. The actions of Consul P. Memmius Impius and
> his Back
> > > > Alley insurgents are illegal and unconstitutional.
> > > >
> > > > Ego respondeo:
> > > > For the record, to my knowledge Consul Albucius is not a member of
> the
> > > > Back Alley, and never has been to my knowledge.
> > > > Instead of your pathetic attempt to stick the epithet "Consul Impius"
> > > > upon him, why not just refer to him as the Consul? We'll know which
> consul
> > > > you mean - ever since the coup he supported collapsed, Consul
> Quintilianus
> > > > has been effectively useless, whether from the shame of his guilt or
> some
> > > > other reason, and has remained silent. The Republic has only one
> active
> > > > consul, but we are fortunate - or blessed by the gods - to have a
> strong
> > > > consul to lead us through the turmoil you have created.
> > > >
> > > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > > > The minority faction of the Consul Impius has effectively divorced
> itself
> > > > > from the Res Publica that was once Nova Roma. Violating the
> Constitution and
> > > > > the laws that define our civitas, these insurgents have departed
> from our
> > > > > civil society. Having turned themselves against the Gods, thus have
> they
> > > > > abandoned the Pax Deorum that supports the Res Publica, for which
> purpose
> > > > > Nova Roma was founded upon.
> > > > >
> > > > Ego respondeo:
> > > > I have never seen any evidence that you have even read our
> Constitution, so
> > > > great is the weight of your ignorance of our laws. You speak very
> > > > comfortably of the "purpose Nova Roma was founded upon," Piscine, but
> our
> > > > Patres Patriae disagree with you. The Founders who remain (some have
> died,
> > > > some have left in disgust at people like you) all seem to agree that
> your
> > > > interpretation of what Nova Roma was founded upon is WRONG. I am not
> a
> > > > Founder - I began to participate in our 2nd year, and gained my
> citizenship
> > > > in our 3rd - but I feel very confident attesting that Nova Roma was
> not
> > > > founded to be your private theocracy, Piscine. The Religio Romana,
> the
> > > > Cultus Deorum, and the Pax Deorum it creates, exists between Nova
> Roma and
> > > > its gods. You are free to go found your Religio Piscina, but it has
> nothing
> > > > to do with Nova Roma or true cultores deorum.
> > > >
> > > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > > > I do not recognize Consul P. Memmius Impius as holding any
> auctoritas.
> > > > >
> > > > Ego respondeo:
> > > > No one cares what you recognize. You have stated that you "do not
> care about
> > > > Nova Roma," you have failed to obey our laws or our gods, and now you
> pile
> > > > treason upon treason and blasphemy upon blasphemy. Personally, I know
> not a
> > > > single cultor deorum who considers you or what you think to be of any
> > > > consequence, except to the degree that you continue to disrupt our
> > > > community, our Republic, and our Pax Deorum. You "not not recognize
> Consul
> > > > P. Memmius Albucius as holding any auctoritas?" So what else is new?
> You
> > > > have never respected the authority of our Constitution, our laws, our
> > > > customs, or anything else, despite your oaths to the contrary. Would
> you
> > > > have us respect your "auctoritas" as pontifex maximus? As you
> respected that
> > > > of Cassius Pater Patriae, perhaps?
> > > > In Cassius we have a real pontifex maximus and a real founder of Nova
> > > > Roma, both of which you invoke with your words but spit upon with
> your
> > > > actions, and can never live up to yourself.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus,
> blatterat::
> > > > >
> > > > Without the auctoritas derived from the Gods against Whom he has
> turned, he
> > > > > does not hold the authority to call the Senate, or any comitia, or
> any
> > > > > tribunal. Consul P. Memmius Impius has departed from our civitas
> and from
> > > > > our Res Publica. I do not recognize this person to hold any
> authority.
> > > > >
> > > > Ego respondeo:
> > > > This has about as much effect as declaring yourself the king of the
> > > > purple unicorns on planet Mars. We don't care what delusions you
> suffer. I
> > > > suggest you seek mental help and perhaps medication for your
> disorders,
> > > > rather than bothering us with them.
> > > >
> > > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > > >
> > > > > Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I
> advise and
> > > > > recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from
> lists
> > > > > controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
> secular
> > > > > perversion of our Res Publica. As they have departed from the Gods
> and from
> > > > > the Res Publica, so now ought we to depart from them. The future of
> the
> > > > > Religio Romana will not be found among the impious secularists who
> departed
> > > > > with P Memmius Impius. The future of the Religio Romana will
> instead grow
> > > > > among the cultores Deorum, within the local religious communities
> we create
> > > > > together, with the Sacerdotes chosen by comreligionists, and with
> the
> > > > > Collegia of the Res Publica Senatus Populique. It is here that our
> focus
> > > > > must remain, in order to build upon all the success we have had
> these past
> > > > > two years. Thus should all cultores Deorum take their leave from
> that band
> > > > > of faithless renegades.
> > > > >
> > > > Ego respondeo:
> > > > As Venator so eloquently said when you last asked him to break the
> law:
> > > > NO
> > > > I am a cultor deorum, and proud of it, despite the shame you bring
> upon
> > > > us all with your crimes. Unlike you, I shall never depart from our
> community
> > > > or disassociate myself from the rightful authority of our Republic
> and our
> > > > gods. I would wish you the best of luck with your "Religio Piscina,"
> but as
> > > > it is only a perversion of the cultus deorum Romanorum, i cannot
> sincerely
> > > > so wish it. Still, I hope some day you find some degree of sanity
> again, and
> > > > that is the best I can do. Anyway, the last time you stormed off in a
> huff
> > > > from Nova Roma and did the SVR thing for a while, it seemed to work
> out well
> > > > for you, so THIS tantrum on your part might work out as well for you.
> But if
> > > > you come back to Nova Roma AGAIN, this time give us some advance
> notice when
> > > > you're planning your NEXT big tantrum and storming out in a huff. OK?
> It
> > > > makes it easier for us to get on with the business of our Republic
> and our
> > > > religion if we don't have to make time for your childishness every
> few
> > > > years.
> > > >
> > > > Cura ut valeas, Piscine impie!
> > > > >
> > > > Curate ut valeatis, Romani!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81532 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Guaranteeing the continuity of the Collegium Pontificum
SALVETE!

Nova Roma has a new Collegium Pontificum list which can be find at this address:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/

For the first time in Nova Roma, the Collegium Pontificum list is open to public. Therefore if you add the list address to your favorites, you can read the messages archive. I thought that is good opportunity as all to have an idea about what is happen there and this way to be able to have an adequate and correct opinion.
My hope is that all of you, Nova Roman citizens, based of that opinion I talked about, to help us, in the future, in that process of improving the quality of our work through your comments in the Nova Roma's mailing lists.
With its doors open, the Collegium Pontificum is ready to write a new page in the history of Nova Roma, a page which will show that the representatives of the Religio Romana are here to serve first and not forgetting that any form of excess, in plus or minus direction, broke the natural equilibrium.

VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
>
> Censori et Pontifici Iulio s.d.
>
>
> I have been informed that you have been excluded today from the Collegium Pontificum list by M. Moravius Piscinus, as well, at least, as Flamen Petronius, and without no previous information.
>
>
> This measure is probably to be put in relation with the call issued by the same Moravius sooner for the creation of «local religious communities" that himself, with other "cultores deorum" would create, apparently outside Nova Roma, but also in relation with the statement of the fact that several of our public servants have not paid our Republic their annual fee.
>
>
> I have answered this call.
>
>
> Concerning the situation you are currently living, I cannot prevent telling myself that we are in the following situation :
>
>
> if I am not wrong, the Collegium pontificum has voted to replace M. Moravius as pontifex maximus by Antonius Graecus ;
>
> though Antonius decline this responsibility, the Collegium has not voted a second time, which means that its decision is, legally, still valid and Antonius has been elected internally PM ;
>
> the Collegium did not meet and vote to set its definitive position on the disputes raised on the way Pont. Caecilius, acting as chair, recorded the suffragia whose results appointed Antonius ;
>
> at the current time, and independently of the individual opinions or every member of the Collegium pontificum, Antonius is the elected PM ;
>
> but Antonius, like Moravius, Fabius Buteo iunior and Iulius Iulianus, did not contribute financially to Nova Roma and thus fall under the provisions of lex Vedia modified : the cannot hold any Novaroman public office and must thus leave the Collegium pontificum ;
>
> however, you have been removed from the Collegium by... Moravius, at the same time ex- assiduus and ex-PM ;
>
>
> In conclusion, and forgive me if I am direct, but the Collegium pontificum is either working with its own rules and in full violation of Nova Roma Law, or yet living in good faith as some kind of «local religious community", outside Nova Roma, to remind Moravius' declarations.
>
>
> I think that time has come to stop this situation which damages the dignitas of our Republic.
>
>
> As consul maior, I therefore ask you officially, both as only sitting censor, since that your colleague is not an assiduus, and as pontifex, and thus being able to assume with auctoritas and dignitas this mission for the whole Republic, to open a new official meeting place for the Collegium pontificum, and to secure its management so that he may not become, in the future, the hostage of one or a few individuals.
>
>
> I ask you, in conformity with the laws of our Republic, to call in this new official place all priests and flamines who are currently assidui (Caecilius, Cornelius Lentulus, Fabius Maximus, Galerius Aurelianus, Titinius, Petronius, and my colleague, Hon. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus).
>
>
> Once the Collegium Pontificum in this new legal frame, I request that you preside a first session which will elect a new legal and assiduus pontifex maximus, and that this new PM reorganize the current College of Auspices whose only one member left, Lucretius, is assiduus. In a third time, it would be opportune that the colleges be composed as required by our Constitution.
>
>
> Naturally, I will inform the Senate of this request.
>
>
> Vale Censor and Pontifex,
>
>
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius cos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81533 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
>
> Gaius Tullius Valerianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.
>
>


Salve,

I've totally lost all respect I had for you. Your ranting repsonse to the Pontifex Maximus is simply absurd and exagerrative. You'd be perfect for fox news.


You drank the koolaid, brah.

Vale,

Anna Bucci

ps. yes i'm taking you off my FB list.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81534 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salvete Novis Romis,


Is M. Moravius Piscinus asking cultores to leave NR or just asking them not
associate with what he refers to as the insurgent elements?


Valete,


C. Octavius Priscus





________________________________
From: Robert <robert.woolwine@...>
To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 6:58:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM


Ave,

You have never gotten the full picture of nova Roma! It is more than just
religion it is also a state of mind! This weekend I had a wonderful chance to
met nova Romans in the east coast and to borrow a phrase that was uttered at the
meeting - the militarium is just as important a facet in nr! So is the cooking
sodalitas, so is the new Roman group, so is the muses.


You who focus just and only on the religio does a disservice to the greater
reach which was the primary reason for nova roma's founding!

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2010, at 3:17 PM, "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:

> M. HOrtensia Maior cultoribus spd;
>
> I've just come back from a wonderful time in Pannonia; I had that amazing
>sellisternium to Bona Dea with Livia Plauta and another cultrix Lucretia
>Capillata, then a small intimate ceremony with Lentulus and many talks about
>religio with them both that were so great, sharing, discussing, learning; it was
>truly fantastic. Here are some pics.
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=244846&id=828009843&fbid=455913734843
>
> I don't miss the endless sterile time-draining arguing of NR. More time for the
>gods & Romanitas; less for stupidity.
>
> I just want to say to all cultores;
> who is performing rituals?
> Who is out publically worshipping the gods?
> who is actively recruiting & spreading the cultus deorum?
> who is making films, photos of these events?
>
> Everything else is just online nonsense.
> di nobis favent
> M. Hortensia Maior Fabiana
> cultrix et civis Romana sum.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Tullius Valerianus
><gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
> >
> > Gaius Tullius Valerianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.
> >
> > I have been trying to sort through the enormous mass of nonsense posted
> > by the former ponitfex maximus pro tempore, who "no longer cares about Nova
> > Roma" yet remains a citizen for no apparent purpose except to continue to
> > disrupt the workings of our Republic and our community. A very few of his
> > rantings require a response:
> >
> > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > >
> > > L. Cornelius Sulla, Q. Caecilius Metellus, C. Equitius Cato, Q. Fabius
> > > Maximus, Ti. Galerius Paulus, C. Tullius Valerianus Q. Valerius Poplicola,
> > > Diana Octavia Aventina, among others, plotted a "coup" in the Back Alley
to
> > > depose our elected magistrates and our duly adlected Sacerdotes.
> > >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > That's funny - the record shows that YOU plotted the coup, Piscine!
> > And badly, too. You bungled every single step of it, you failed in every
> > conceivable way, demonstrating your ineptitude as well as the gods' disfavor
> > to you and your plotters. And now you are so bitter you try to say, as a
> > small child might, "Nuh-uh, it was them!" If you have read the Back Alley
> > records - and I know you have - you know that the only discussion there was
> > what to do if you refused to obey our laws. You are guilty of treason and
> > now you add more slanders and lies to your shame.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > Their actions included obscene assaults directed towards our Virgo Maxima
> > Vestalis and other female Sacerdotes and towards the women in our Senate;
> > they engaged in sexual harassment of women, especially Sacerdotes
> >
> > Ego repondeo:
> > When this lie was first spoken by you, it was already patently
> > ridiculous. The question was asked, publicly, whether or not any women felt
> > mistreated by any of those you mention. They came forth in droves to day
> > that they did not. The women of Nova Roma have told you again and again that
> > they can stand up for themselves, and don't need you, a man, to defend them.
> > To assume that the women of Nova Roma cannot stand except supported by you
> > is misogynistic. And insane.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > they assaulted the beliefs of others
> >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > None of the people you mentioned has done that. Not even YOU have stooped so
> > low, to my knowledge. In fact, the only one who can be said to have done
> > this recently was the former citizen M. Hortensia Maior, with her calls for
> > crusades to drive non-cultores from Nova Roma. But she was convicted of her
> > crimes and left Nova Roma, so she cannot be at issue here.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > The Consul Impius has usurped unconstitutional authority in many areas,
> > including his seizure of the Nova-Roma main list where he has prevented
> > dissent from our Citizens who support the coalition that forms a two-third
> > majority of our Senate. The actions of Consul P. Memmius Impius and his Back
> > Alley insurgents are illegal and unconstitutional.
> >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > For the record, to my knowledge Consul Albucius is not a member of the
> > Back Alley, and never has been to my knowledge.
> > Instead of your pathetic attempt to stick the epithet "Consul Impius"
> > upon him, why not just refer to him as the Consul? We'll know which consul
> > you mean - ever since the coup he supported collapsed, Consul Quintilianus
> > has been effectively useless, whether from the shame of his guilt or some
> > other reason, and has remained silent. The Republic has only one active
> > consul, but we are fortunate - or blessed by the gods - to have a strong
> > consul to lead us through the turmoil you have created.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > The minority faction of the Consul Impius has effectively divorced itself
> > > from the Res Publica that was once Nova Roma. Violating the Constitution
>and
> > > the laws that define our civitas, these insurgents have departed from our
> > > civil society. Having turned themselves against the Gods, thus have they
> > > abandoned the Pax Deorum that supports the Res Publica, for which purpose
> > > Nova Roma was founded upon.
> > >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > I have never seen any evidence that you have even read our Constitution, so
> > great is the weight of your ignorance of our laws. You speak very
> > comfortably of the "purpose Nova Roma was founded upon," Piscine, but our
> > Patres Patriae disagree with you. The Founders who remain (some have died,
> > some have left in disgust at people like you) all seem to agree that your
> > interpretation of what Nova Roma was founded upon is WRONG. I am not a
> > Founder - I began to participate in our 2nd year, and gained my citizenship
> > in our 3rd - but I feel very confident attesting that Nova Roma was not
> > founded to be your private theocracy, Piscine. The Religio Romana, the
> > Cultus Deorum, and the Pax Deorum it creates, exists between Nova Roma and
> > its gods. You are free to go found your Religio Piscina, but it has nothing
> > to do with Nova Roma or true cultores deorum.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > > I do not recognize Consul P. Memmius Impius as holding any auctoritas.
> > >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > No one cares what you recognize. You have stated that you "do not care about
> > Nova Roma," you have failed to obey our laws or our gods, and now you pile
> > treason upon treason and blasphemy upon blasphemy. Personally, I know not a
> > single cultor deorum who considers you or what you think to be of any
> > consequence, except to the degree that you continue to disrupt our
> > community, our Republic, and our Pax Deorum. You "not not recognize Consul
> > P. Memmius Albucius as holding any auctoritas?" So what else is new? You
> > have never respected the authority of our Constitution, our laws, our
> > customs, or anything else, despite your oaths to the contrary. Would you
> > have us respect your "auctoritas" as pontifex maximus? As you respected that
> > of Cassius Pater Patriae, perhaps?
> > In Cassius we have a real pontifex maximus and a real founder of Nova
> > Roma, both of which you invoke with your words but spit upon with your
> > actions, and can never live up to yourself.
> >
> >
> > > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat::
> > >
> > Without the auctoritas derived from the Gods against Whom he has turned, he
> > > does not hold the authority to call the Senate, or any comitia, or any
> > > tribunal. Consul P. Memmius Impius has departed from our civitas and from
> > > our Res Publica. I do not recognize this person to hold any authority.
> > >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > This has about as much effect as declaring yourself the king of the
> > purple unicorns on planet Mars. We don't care what delusions you suffer. I
> > suggest you seek mental help and perhaps medication for your disorders,
> > rather than bothering us with them.
> >
> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, civis (?) privatus, blatterat:
> > >
> > > Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise
and
> > > recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
> > > controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
secular
> > > perversion of our Res Publica. As they have departed from the Gods and
from
> > > the Res Publica, so now ought we to depart from them. The future of the
> > > Religio Romana will not be found among the impious secularists who
departed
> > > with P Memmius Impius. The future of the Religio Romana will instead grow
> > > among the cultores Deorum, within the local religious communities we
create
> > > together, with the Sacerdotes chosen by comreligionists, and with the
> > > Collegia of the Res Publica Senatus Populique. It is here that our focus
> > > must remain, in order to build upon all the success we have had these past
> > > two years. Thus should all cultores Deorum take their leave from that band
> > > of faithless renegades.
> > >
> > Ego respondeo:
> > As Venator so eloquently said when you last asked him to break the law:
> > NO
> > I am a cultor deorum, and proud of it, despite the shame you bring upon
> > us all with your crimes. Unlike you, I shall never depart from our community
> > or disassociate myself from the rightful authority of our Republic and our
> > gods. I would wish you the best of luck with your "Religio Piscina," but as
> > it is only a perversion of the cultus deorum Romanorum, i cannot sincerely
> > so wish it. Still, I hope some day you find some degree of sanity again, and
> > that is the best I can do. Anyway, the last time you stormed off in a huff
> > from Nova Roma and did the SVR thing for a while, it seemed to work out well
> > for you, so THIS tantrum on your part might work out as well for you. But if
> > you come back to Nova Roma AGAIN, this time give us some advance notice when
> > you're planning your NEXT big tantrum and storming out in a huff. OK? It
> > makes it easier for us to get on with the business of our Republic and our
> > religion if we don't have to make time for your childishness every few
> > years.
> >
> > Cura ut valeas, Piscine impie!
> > >
> > Curate ut valeatis, Romani!
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81535 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Being banned from mailing lists
Cato Liviae sal.

Your right to speak on any official forum (List) of the Respublica should not be suppressed, no matter how distasteful anyone might feel that speech is.

I would suggest that, rather than adopt a tone similar to that taken by Maior ad nauseum, you simply ask both the parties involved to re-instate you.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus sal.
>
> So far I have been banned by V. Rutilia Enodiaria from the Comitia Plebis
> Tributa list for posting my reply to Piscinus' message, and by P. Memmius
> Albucius from the Italian Nova Roma list for having forwarded there
> Piscinus' message.
>
> Now things are getting exciting! I get to sit around and watch to see how
> long it takes for my right to free speech to be totally suppressed. And all
> this with no real risks to me, because it happens only in an Internet
> community. A once-in-a-lifetime chance to experience a simulated
> totalitarian regime!
>
> Do not think that I will be making things easy. I am still an assidua of
> Nova Roma: I'm not going anywhere of my free will and I will continue to
> express my opinions. If you want to get rid of me you will have to drive me
> out!
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81536 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Guaranteeing the continuity of the Collegium Pontificum
SALVETE!

A short notice:
Open to public are the group messages. Anyone can read them following the link I presented.
Membership is restricted to those entitled to belong.
Therefore for one interested to see what is happen there is not necessary to join to the group. Messages can be viewed very simple.

Thank you.

VALETE,
Sabinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVETE!
>
> Nova Roma has a new Collegium Pontificum list which can be find at this address:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/
>
> For the first time in Nova Roma, the Collegium Pontificum list is open to public. Therefore if you add the list address to your favorites, you can read the messages archive. I thought that is good opportunity as all to have an idea about what is happen there and this way to be able to have an adequate and correct opinion.
> My hope is that all of you, Nova Roman citizens, based of that opinion I talked about, to help us, in the future, in that process of improving the quality of our work through your comments in the Nova Roma's mailing lists.
> With its doors open, the Collegium Pontificum is ready to write a new page in the history of Nova Roma, a page which will show that the representatives of the Religio Romana are here to serve first and not forgetting that any form of excess, in plus or minus direction, broke the natural equilibrium.
>
> VALETE,
> T. Iulius Sabinus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Censori et Pontifici Iulio s.d.
> >
> >
> > I have been informed that you have been excluded today from the Collegium Pontificum list by M. Moravius Piscinus, as well, at least, as Flamen Petronius, and without no previous information.
> >
> >
> > This measure is probably to be put in relation with the call issued by the same Moravius sooner for the creation of «local religious communities" that himself, with other "cultores deorum" would create, apparently outside Nova Roma, but also in relation with the statement of the fact that several of our public servants have not paid our Republic their annual fee.
> >
> >
> > I have answered this call.
> >
> >
> > Concerning the situation you are currently living, I cannot prevent telling myself that we are in the following situation :
> >
> >
> > if I am not wrong, the Collegium pontificum has voted to replace M. Moravius as pontifex maximus by Antonius Graecus ;
> >
> > though Antonius decline this responsibility, the Collegium has not voted a second time, which means that its decision is, legally, still valid and Antonius has been elected internally PM ;
> >
> > the Collegium did not meet and vote to set its definitive position on the disputes raised on the way Pont. Caecilius, acting as chair, recorded the suffragia whose results appointed Antonius ;
> >
> > at the current time, and independently of the individual opinions or every member of the Collegium pontificum, Antonius is the elected PM ;
> >
> > but Antonius, like Moravius, Fabius Buteo iunior and Iulius Iulianus, did not contribute financially to Nova Roma and thus fall under the provisions of lex Vedia modified : the cannot hold any Novaroman public office and must thus leave the Collegium pontificum ;
> >
> > however, you have been removed from the Collegium by... Moravius, at the same time ex- assiduus and ex-PM ;
> >
> >
> > In conclusion, and forgive me if I am direct, but the Collegium pontificum is either working with its own rules and in full violation of Nova Roma Law, or yet living in good faith as some kind of «local religious community", outside Nova Roma, to remind Moravius' declarations.
> >
> >
> > I think that time has come to stop this situation which damages the dignitas of our Republic.
> >
> >
> > As consul maior, I therefore ask you officially, both as only sitting censor, since that your colleague is not an assiduus, and as pontifex, and thus being able to assume with auctoritas and dignitas this mission for the whole Republic, to open a new official meeting place for the Collegium pontificum, and to secure its management so that he may not become, in the future, the hostage of one or a few individuals.
> >
> >
> > I ask you, in conformity with the laws of our Republic, to call in this new official place all priests and flamines who are currently assidui (Caecilius, Cornelius Lentulus, Fabius Maximus, Galerius Aurelianus, Titinius, Petronius, and my colleague, Hon. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus).
> >
> >
> > Once the Collegium Pontificum in this new legal frame, I request that you preside a first session which will elect a new legal and assiduus pontifex maximus, and that this new PM reorganize the current College of Auspices whose only one member left, Lucretius, is assiduus. In a third time, it would be opportune that the colleges be composed as required by our Constitution.
> >
> >
> > Naturally, I will inform the Senate of this request.
> >
> >
> > Vale Censor and Pontifex,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius cos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81537 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salve Anna;

NR is no place for women, much less cultores. No place that I'd recommend to anyone. See below the vile note I received from Sulla when praetrix. Laeca left, Mesallina left, I left. We all were sexually harassed.
M. Hortensia Maior

On Sat, 2/20/10, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...> wrote:

> From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
> Subject: Re: Re Moderation
> To: "rory kirshner" <rory12001@...>
> Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 10:07 PM
> Ah so did you swallow his c*m when
> you blew him

> Salve,
>
> I've totally lost all respect I had for you. Your ranting repsonse to the Pontifex Maximus is simply absurd and exagerrative. You'd be perfect for fox news.
>
>
> You drank the koolaid, brah.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
> ps. yes i'm taking you off my FB list.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81538 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-02
Subject: Re: Being banned from mailing lists
C. Petronius C. Catoni sal.,

> I would suggest that, rather than adopt a tone similar to that taken by Maior ad nauseum, you simply ask both the parties involved to re-instate you.

It is ok for Livia Plauta's rights to speak, she is member of the CPT list as she was, this problem is over.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. III Nonas Novembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81539 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Roman Artifacts in New York City
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Octávió Príscó quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Salvette Omnes,
>
> I am making a brief unscheduled trip to NYC this weekend and was wondering if
> anyone knows of any interesting Roman artifacts and/or Roman themed
> attractions to be found in addition to those found at the Metropolitan Museum
> of Art.
>
> ATS: Well, there is a Roman artefact (of sorts) there in the form of
> Cato, who probably knows every stone in NYC. You might want to ask him
> directly...
>
> Optime Vale!
>
> C. Octavius Priscus
>
> Optime vale et valete!
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81540 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re: [Nova-Ro
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> L. Livia Plauta V. Rutiliae Enodiariae sal.
>
> Excuse me? I didn't resign from anything. I had already resigned as a custos
> ages ago. I haven't resigned as a lictrix yet and I haven't resigned as a
> censorial scriba. I only said I will resign before the end of the year.
>
> And any plebeian citizen has a right to be in the CPT list. You don't have
> to be a magistrate to be in it.
>
> ATS: Plauta is quite correct. As a citizen of the ordo plebeius, she has
> every right to participate in the relevant list. There is absolutely NO
> justification for removing her. I must confess, too, that such an action
> coming from a member of the faction which supposedly champions Freedom of
> Speech (note capitals), and which either cannot or will not distinguish
> freedom ( = appropriate liberty) from license (going beyond the pale) is most
> surprising. Here I thought that most members of Team BA were proud
> patricians, too...
>
> Vale,
> Livia
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "enodia2002" <walkyr@... <mailto:walkyr%40aol.com> >
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 1:46 AM
> Subject: Fw: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re:
> [Nova-Roma] TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
>
> V Rutilia Enodiaria Liviae Plautae sal.
>
> You resigned. I removed you. End of story.
>
> Optime vale,
>
> V Rutilia Enodiaria
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "L.
> Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...>
> wrote:
>> >
>> > L. Livia Plauta omnibus sal.
>> >
>> > Well, apparently the Comitia Plebis Tributa list is owned by a minion of
>> > Albucius, who took upon herself the task of censoring dissent (see quoted
>> > message).
>> >
>> > Optime valete,
>> > Livia
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "V" <enodia2002@...>
>> > To: <ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:ComitiaPlebisTributa%40yahoogroups.com> >
>> > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:48 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re:
>> > [Nova-Roma] TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
>> >
>> >
>> > V Rutilia Enodiaria Liviae Plautae spd.
>> >
>> > Thank you for your comments. I will immediately unsubscribe you from this
>> > list.
>> >
>> >
>> > Optime vale,
>> >
>> > V Rutilia Enodiaria
>> > Listowner
>> >
>> >
>> > Fide cani
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>
>> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Cc: comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:comitiaplebistributa%40yahoogroups.com> ;
>> > comitiapopulitributa@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:comitiapopulitributa%40yahoogroups.com> ;
>> > novaromacomitiacenturiata@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:novaromacomitiacenturiata%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 10:28:27 AM
>> > Subject: [CPT] Hail P. Memmius, new Praefectus Italiae (Was: Re:
>> > [Nova-Roma]
>> > TO
>> > ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
>> >
>> >
>> > L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.
>> >
>> > Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus scripsit:
>> >
>> > "Therefore, to ALL CULTORES DEORUM ROMANI, as Pontifex Maximus, I advise
>> > and
>> > recommend that you DEPART from the insurgents, unsubscribe from lists
>> > controlled by Consul P. Memmius Impius, and DISASSOCIATE from their
>> > secular
>> > perversion of our Res Publica."
>> >
>> > Unfortunately this sound advice by our Pontifex comes a bit late, because
>> > a
>> > few days ago, due to the resignation of P. Ann. Con. Placidus from his
>> > office as a Praefectus Italiae, P. Memmius Albucius appointed himself
>> > temporary Praefectus, took ownership of the Italian mailing list and
>> > downgraded the vicarius, Vindex, from owner to moderator.
>> >
>> > So where is a poor cultor or cultrix to escape? It would be useful to make
>> > a
>> > list of those mailing lists which are NOT controlled by Albucius.
>> >
>> > By the way it is interesting to note that a consul appointing himself
>> > provincial governor is an action with no precedents. It seems to me that
>> > provinces without a governor are under the jurisdiction of the Senate, not
>> > the consuls. And there are some other provinces, like Britannia, which
>> > have
>> > no governor, but whose lists are owned and moderated by local citizens
>> > (let
>> > the Britanni forgive me in case I have unwittingly given an idea to consul
>> > Albucius).
>> >
>> > Optime valete,
>> > Livia
>> >
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81541 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: elections?
>
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Tullio Valeriano collegae quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> You mean you don¹t think that our long holiday at Rancho La Brea is a
> pleasant diversion? ;-)
>
> C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus in foro S.P.D.
>
> So, although the mess with the augurs refusing to let the Senate meet in a
> legitimate has held up all the IT issues, has there been any progress on
> setting up elections yet?
>
> ATS: As Consul Albucius should be well aware, we are working on this.
>
> Obiter, uxor situm scholae visere debet, et jam diu debuit. Pénsa quoque
> mihi reddenda etsi bene scio te ea corrigere quire.
>
> Valete!
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81542 From: Q Caecilius Metellus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Guaranteeing the continuity of the Collegium Pontificum
Q Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem.

Saluete,

For the purpose of clarification, let me reiterate what my colleague T
Iulius has stated. Requests to join the mailing list for the Collegium
Pontificum, except those from members of the Collegium as well as the
Consules, will be rejected. The message archive, however, is open to
the public.

The group description has been updated to reflect this as well; I know a
number of requests for subscription have been rejected already. Again,
membership is restricted but the MESSAGES ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

Ut ualeatis, curate.

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Pontifex

On 02-Nov-10 19:54, T Iulius Sabinus wrote:
> SALVETE!
>
> A short notice:
> Open to public are the group messages. Anyone can read them following the link I presented.
> Membership is restricted to those entitled to belong.
> Therefore for one interested to see what is happen there is not necessary to join to the group. Messages can be viewed very simple.
>
> Thank you.
>
> VALETE,
> Sabinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81543 From: Gaius Lucretius Seneca Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salve

On 11/2/2010 9:28 PM, rory12001 wrote:
>
> NR is no place for women, much less cultores. No place that I'd
> recommend to anyone. See below the vile note I received from Sulla
> when praetrix. Laeca left, Mesallina left, I left. We all were
> sexually harassed.
> M. Hortensia Maior
>

This statement is offensive to anyone who has actually been sexually
harassed. All anyone here did was disagree with you and take issue with
your abuse of power, your baseless accusations, and your vile tone. You
turn personal disagreement into an attack on all women. You are not all
women.

And you yourself committed harassment on several occasions. "Atheists
out!" is what I recall you said, among other similar statements. As an
actual atheist I'm still pissed off over that.

You quit Nova Roma. Please go away.

Vale,
Seneca


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81544 From: Gaius Lucretius Seneca Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salve

On 11/2/2010 9:28 PM, rory12001 wrote:
>
> See below the vile note I received from Sulla when praetrix.
>

Oops, I missed that bit, and the alleged message you quoted - I looked
down and just saw Anna's message.

Yes, if that happened, I would call that sexual harassment. But Nova
Roma didn't sexually harass you, unless you're equating Sulla with NR
now. But since you equate yourself with all women, perhaps you actually
think that too.

Vale,
Seneca


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81545 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Just Say the Word...
Salve Priscus,

In case you don't know; go the the MMA website, and type Roman in their Search
bar.

It will take you to many of their Roman artifacts.
Vale,
Ti. Marci Quadra


________________________________
From: jeancourdant <jeancourdant@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 10:27:39 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman Artifacts in New York City


Salvette Omnes,

I am making a brief unscheduled trip to NYC this weekend and was wondering if
anyone knows of any interesting Roman artifacts and/or Roman themed attractions
to be found in addition to those found at the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

Optime Vale!

C. Octavius Priscus







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81546 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Lucretius Seneca <c.lucretius.seneca@...> wrote:

>
> This statement is offensive to anyone who has actually been sexually
> harassed. All anyone here did was disagree with you and take issue with
> your abuse of power, your baseless accusations, and your vile tone. You
> turn personal disagreement into an attack on all women. You are not all
> women.
>
> And you yourself committed harassment on several occasions. "Atheists
> out!" is what I recall you said, among other similar statements. As an
> actual atheist I'm still pissed off over that.
>
> You quit Nova Roma. Please go away.
>


Salve,

I'm guessing you didn't read the email she quoted.

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81547 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Lucretius Seneca <c.lucretius.seneca@...> wrote:
>
> Salve
>
> On 11/2/2010 9:28 PM, rory12001 wrote:
> >
> > See below the vile note I received from Sulla when praetrix.
> >
>
> Oops, I missed that bit, and the alleged message you quoted - I looked
> down and just saw Anna's message.
>
> Yes, if that happened, I would call that sexual harassment. But Nova
> Roma didn't sexually harass you, unless you're equating Sulla with NR
> now. But since you equate yourself with all women, perhaps you actually
> think that too.
>


Salve,

LOL I guessed right. By the way, how is it an "alleged message"? You can clearly see it's a message, so there's nothing to allege. Perhaps you aren't sure if the message came from sulla. That can be easily remedied, she could just forward you the email as evidence.

And since sulla is a Senator of NR, his conduct reflects on NR(which is why I can never return as a member as long as NR permits him to be here, let alone on the Board of Directors/Senate). It's quite surprising he's only had one nota put on him.

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81548 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Guaranteeing the continuity of the Collegium Pontificum
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Caecilio Metello quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> Etsi adhuc aegroto, aliquantulum melius me habeo.
>
>
> Q Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem.
>
> Saluete,
>
> For the purpose of clarification, let me reiterate what my colleague T
> Iulius has stated. Requests to join the mailing list for the Collegium
> Pontificum, except those from members of the Collegium as well as the
> Consules, will be rejected.
>
> ATS: This is not helpful, especially to those of us who do not have tons
> of time on their hands, and do not have a superfast net connection. Last I
> heard, members of the Senate (what¹s left of it) were supposed to be able to
> observe...which means receiving mail in their boxes, a much quicker, and
> easier, option than having to diddle around turning Yahoo pages while they
> throw ads and popups at the frustrated reader.
>
>
> The message archive, however, is open to
> the public.
>
> ATS: Good, for those with fast connections and time on their hands. I
> could name names of those who seem to have too little to do, but I definitely
> am not one of them.
>
> Question: how will you restrict the archives to the citizenry? Are the
> prying eyes of the socii and peregrini equally welcome?
>
>
> The group description has been updated to reflect this as well; I know a
> number of requests for subscription have been rejected already. Again,
> membership is restricted but the MESSAGES ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
>
>
> ATS: Melius sit si senatores quidem participes fieri possint sicut in
> indice priori.
>
> Ut ualeatis, curate.
>
> Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
> Pontifex
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
> On 02-Nov-10 19:54, T Iulius Sabinus wrote:
>> > SALVETE!
>> >
>> > A short notice:
>> > Open to public are the group messages. Anyone can read them following the
>> link I presented.
>> > Membership is restricted to those entitled to belong.
>> > Therefore for one interested to see what is happen there is not necessary
>> to join to the group. Messages can be viewed very simple.
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> > VALETE,
>> > Sabinus
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81549 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Ave!

And yet here you are! Ironic isn't it.

You are NOT the sum of all women. You failed to grasp that with Metellus's
post to you....which he repeated.

Also, nevermind the fact that the back alley is probably over HALF women!
How does that fit into your position that NR is no place for women? The
obvious answer is that you have the hubris to equate that you are the sum of
all women, Thank Hashem that you are not!

Now you are forwarding posts that violate list guidelines on the ML

I dont deny I sent that message to you. I did send it in a fit of anger
after you moderated me two or was that three times during your mercifully
brief tenure as praetor. It was at the time I heard you were doing the
bidding of your master, Piscinus. So, yeah I asked the question, since hey
if you are doing this for him...just what else are you doing for him? I
sent it in a moment of weakness but I wont apologize for it. Just like I
Have been smeared with being a pedophile, a nazi, a homophobe by your buddy
as politicans and public figures we have to bear the sting of personal
insults. In this regard yes, I admit I am as low as Piscinus - and I will
live with that. But as politicans we have to bear the smears and insults
like Thomas Jefferson did over Sally Hemmings, or more recently the
Christine O'Donnell attempted sex smear when she ran for office, or the
unfounded rumor that John McCain had an affair. So, in the end, in this
regard, I apologize for being just as bad as Moravius Piscinus.

Vale,

Sulla

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:28 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve Anna;
>
> NR is no place for women, much less cultores. No place that I'd recommend
> to anyone. See below the vile note I received from Sulla when praetrix.
> Laeca left, Mesallina left, I left. We all were sexually harassed.
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
> On Sat, 2/20/10, Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...<l_cornelius_sulla%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...<l_cornelius_sulla%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: Re Moderation
> > To: "rory kirshner" <rory12001@... <rory12001%40yahoo.com>>
> > Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 10:07 PM
> > Ah so did you swallow his c*m when
> > you blew him
>
> > Salve,
> >
> > I've totally lost all respect I had for you. Your ranting repsonse to the
> Pontifex Maximus is simply absurd and exagerrative. You'd be perfect for fox
> news.
> >
> >
> > You drank the koolaid, brah.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Anna Bucci
> >
> > ps. yes i'm taking you off my FB list.
> >
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81550 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: a.d. III Non. Nov.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem III Nones Novembris; haec dies comitialis est.

"C. Sulpicius Longus and P. Aelius Paetus were the new consuls. The
blessings of peace were now enjoyed everywhere, a peace maintained not
more by the power of Rome than by the influence she had acquired
through her considerate treatment of her vanquished enemies, when a
war broke out between the Sidicines and the Auruncans. After their
surrender had been accepted by the consul Manlius, the Auruncans had
kept quiet, which gave them a stronger claim to the help of Rome. The
senate decided that assistance should be afforded them, but before the
consuls started, a report was brought that the Auruncans had been
afraid to remain in their town and had fled with their wives and
children to Suessa-now called Aurunca-which they had fortified, and
that their city with its ancient walls had been destroyed by the
Sidicines. The senate were angry with the consuls, through whose delay
their allies had been betrayed, and ordered a Dictator to be
nominated. C. Claudius Regillensis was nominated accordingly, and he
named as his Master of the Horse C. Claudius Hortator. There was some
difficulty about the religious sanction of the Dictator's appointment,
and as the augurs pronounced that there was an irregularity in his
election, both the Dictator and the Master of the Horse resigned. This
year Minucia, a Vestal, incurred suspicion through an improper love of
dress, and subsequently was accused of unchastity on the evidence of a
slave. She had received orders from the pontiffs to take no part in
the sacred rights and not to manumit any of her slaves. She was tried
and found guilty, and was buried alive near the Colline Gate to the
right of the high road in the Campus Sceleratus (the "accursed
field"), which, I believe, derives its name from this incident. In
this year also Q. Publilius Philo was elected as the first plebeian
praetor against the opposition of the consul Sulpicius; the senate,
after failing to keep the highest posts in their own hands, showed
less interest in retaining the praetorship."" - Livy, History of Rome 8.15


"I am she that is the natural mother of all things, mistress and
governess of all the Elements, the initial progeny of worlds, chiefe
of powers divine, Queene of heaven, the principal of the Gods
celestial, the light of the goddesses: at my will the planets of the
air, the wholesome winds of the Seas, and the silences of hell be
disposed; my name, my divinity is adored throughout all the world in
divers manners, in variable customs and in many names, for the
Phrygians call me the mother of the Gods: the Athenians, Minerva: the
Cyprians, Venus: the Candians, Diana: the Sicilians Proserpina: the
Eleusians, Ceres: some Juno, other Bellona, other Hecate: and
principally the Ethiopians which dwell in the Orient, and the
Egyptians which are excellent in all kind of ancient doctrine, and by
their proper ceremonies accustom to worship me, do call me Queen Isis.
Behold I am come to take pity of thy fortune and tribulation, behold I
am present to favour and aid thee, leave off thy weeping and
lamentation, put away thy sorrow, for behold the healthful day which
is ordained by my providence, therefore be ready to attend to my
commandement." - Isis, speaking to Lucius Apuleius in "The Golden Ass"
ch. 47

Today was the last day of the Isia, the festival in honor of the
Goddess Isis. Isis is the deity called the Goddess of Ten Thousand
Names, a Great Mother Goddess. Isis is the preferred goddess by
women, the protector at childbirth, for nurturing and caring of
children and for everyone that is in need in any way of her. This is
not at all to say that the ancient Egyptian female deities did not
fill these functions. Het-Hert (Hathor) is the one that comes most
easily to mind here. But already before the Roman period, Isis
absorbed most of the properties and abilities of the main Egyptian
goddesses (Het-Hert, Mut, Neith, Serket). This might have prepared the
path for finding a likeness of Isis with deities like Hera and
Aphrodite. Her popularity spread far beyond Egypt, all around the
Mediterranean. She was even considered a Creator Goddess, as can be
read in the "Aretalogy of Isis". Plutarch, who elaborated on the myth
of Isis and Osiris, associated her with the moon, which must be
considered a sign of Roman influence, since the older form, the
Egyptian Aset was associated with the sun and even sometimes called
the "Eye of Re". However, since ancient days it was Djehuty (Thoth)
who was associated with the moon. Mystery cults developed around
her, and in 86 B.C. Isis, Horus, and Serapis (who had displaced
Osiris) were introduced to Rome.


ROMAN REPUBLICAN TERMS - QUAESTOR

The word quaestor means 'the man who asks questions'. This magistrate
is first mentioned in the Laws of the Twelve Tables, although there
are reports about quaestors who served under the Roman kings. Their
task was to investigate murder cases - they were police inspectors. It
is unclear how this function could change into a government office.

The first two quaestorian magistrates were elected in the 440's BC.
They served as accountants and took charge of the aerarium (public
treasury). Some twenty years later, their number was doubled. The new
quaestors served as paymasters of the two consular armies. Two more
quaestors were added in 267: they took charge of the tribute of the
Italian allies. After the First Punic War, the annexation of the
island of Sicily and Sardinia/Corsica led to the appointment of two
additional quaestors. The number must have grown with the number of
provinces. Under Sulla, there were 20 quaestors; under Iulius Caesar,
the Roman empire needed 40 accountants - or perhaps Caesar had
discovered an easy way to give a job to his adherents.

Originally, one could not become quaestor unless one had 10 years of
experience in the army. This was changed under Sulla, who stipulated a
minimum age of 30 years for the questorship. The emperor Augustus
lowered this age to 25 years. He also made an end to the practice to
have the quaestors elected by the Comitia tributa, an assembly of the
people that was divided into voting districts. The election was
transferred to the Senate.

Under the empire, two of the quaestors were appointed by the emperor
in person (the quaestores Augusti). They had financial tasks as well,
but were also responsible for messages of the emperor. A young man who
obtained this job, was expected to become a very important official.
An additional task of all quaestors was the supervision of the Games.
Since the aedil, praetors and consuls were also responsible for the
Games, it may be suspected that the magistrates were each others rivals.

A quaestor had no bodyguard (lictor) but was allowed to wear a
purple-bordered toga.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81551 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Being banned from mailing lists
Livia Petronio sal.
Thank you for the intercession. This part of the problem is over, but I'm
still banned from the Italian list, because at the moment no Italian has the
power to accept me back.

Optime vale,
Livia


----- Original Message -----
From: "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 4:56 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Being banned from mailing lists


C. Petronius C. Catoni sal.,

> I would suggest that, rather than adopt a tone similar to that taken by
> Maior ad nauseum, you simply ask both the parties involved to re-instate
> you.

It is ok for Livia Plauta's rights to speak, she is member of the CPT list
as she was, this problem is over.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. III Nonas Novembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81552 From: Jean Courdant Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Just Say the Word...
C. Octavius Priscus T. Marci Quandra,

Thank you for that information.

Optime Vale





________________________________
From: Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 3, 2010 4:34:57 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Just Say the Word...


Salve Priscus,

In case you don't know; go the the MMA website, and type Roman in their Search
bar.

It will take you to many of their Roman artifacts.
Vale,
Ti. Marci Quadra

________________________________
From: jeancourdant <jeancourdant@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 10:27:39 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman Artifacts in New York City

Salvette Omnes,

I am making a brief unscheduled trip to NYC this weekend and was wondering if
anyone knows of any interesting Roman artifacts and/or Roman themed attractions
to be found in addition to those found at the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

Optime Vale!

C. Octavius Priscus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81553 From: M. Valerius Chlorus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salve Anna,

That can not easily be remedied and it can not act as rock solid evidence.
Please remember that in the digital age we currently live in it is
amazingly easy to falsify anything, and e-mails are the easiest of them all.

This does not mean it is not true of course, but it can certainly not be
proof of the truth.

Vale,

M.Valerius Chlorus

Decurio Princeps
Sodalitas Militarium


On 03/11/10 09:43, lathyrus77 wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Gaius Lucretius Seneca <c.lucretius.seneca@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve
> >
> > On 11/2/2010 9:28 PM, rory12001 wrote:
> > >
> > > See below the vile note I received from Sulla when praetrix.
> > >
> >
> > Oops, I missed that bit, and the alleged message you quoted - I looked
> > down and just saw Anna's message.
> >
> > Yes, if that happened, I would call that sexual harassment. But Nova
> > Roma didn't sexually harass you, unless you're equating Sulla with NR
> > now. But since you equate yourself with all women, perhaps you actually
> > think that too.
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> LOL I guessed right. By the way, how is it an "alleged message"? You
> can clearly see it's a message, so there's nothing to allege. Perhaps
> you aren't sure if the message came from sulla. That can be easily
> remedied, she could just forward you the email as evidence.
>
> And since sulla is a Senator of NR, his conduct reflects on NR(which
> is why I can never return as a member as long as NR permits him to be
> here, let alone on the Board of Directors/Senate). It's quite
> surprising he's only had one nota put on him.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81554 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: You're welcome
Yw...tam Marte quam Minerva.

Ti. Marci Quadra


________________________________
From: Jean Courdant <jeancourdant@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 3, 2010 9:36:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Just Say the Word...


C. Octavius Priscus T. Marci Quandra,

Thank you for that information.

Optime Vale

________________________________
From: Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 3, 2010 4:34:57 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Just Say the Word...

Salve Priscus,

In case you don't know; go the the MMA website, and type Roman in their Search
bar.

It will take you to many of their Roman artifacts.
Vale,
Ti. Marci Quadra

________________________________
From: jeancourdant <jeancourdant@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 10:27:39 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman Artifacts in New York City

Salvette Omnes,

I am making a brief unscheduled trip to NYC this weekend and was wondering if
anyone knows of any interesting Roman artifacts and/or Roman themed attractions
to be found in addition to those found at the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

Optime Vale!

C. Octavius Priscus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81555 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Ave,

It's just their usual claptrap of double standards, notice livia never responded to piscinus removing cp members from the cp list. Nope it was just about her being removed from a list.

This is just another example!

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 3, 2010, at 3:22 AM, "M. Valerius Chlorus" <valerius_chlorus@...> wrote:

> Salve Anna,
>
> That can not easily be remedied and it can not act as rock solid evidence.
> Please remember that in the digital age we currently live in it is
> amazingly easy to falsify anything, and e-mails are the easiest of them all.
>
> This does not mean it is not true of course, but it can certainly not be
> proof of the truth.
>
> Vale,
>
> M.Valerius Chlorus
>
> Decurio Princeps
> Sodalitas Militarium
>
> On 03/11/10 09:43, lathyrus77 wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Gaius Lucretius Seneca <c.lucretius.seneca@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve
> > >
> > > On 11/2/2010 9:28 PM, rory12001 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > See below the vile note I received from Sulla when praetrix.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Oops, I missed that bit, and the alleged message you quoted - I looked
> > > down and just saw Anna's message.
> > >
> > > Yes, if that happened, I would call that sexual harassment. But Nova
> > > Roma didn't sexually harass you, unless you're equating Sulla with NR
> > > now. But since you equate yourself with all women, perhaps you actually
> > > think that too.
> > >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > LOL I guessed right. By the way, how is it an "alleged message"? You
> > can clearly see it's a message, so there's nothing to allege. Perhaps
> > you aren't sure if the message came from sulla. That can be easily
> > remedied, she could just forward you the email as evidence.
> >
> > And since sulla is a Senator of NR, his conduct reflects on NR(which
> > is why I can never return as a member as long as NR permits him to be
> > here, let alone on the Board of Directors/Senate). It's quite
> > surprising he's only had one nota put on him.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Anna Bucci
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81556 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Cato Cornelio Sullae omnibusque in foro SPD

First off, remember that the List which Piscinus has taken random control of is no longer the "CP List", as Iulius Sabinus has legally replaced it with the official List of the Respublica's valid College. Piscinus can do whatever he wants in his own little world, it means nothing to the Respublica.

It would be a double standard for Livia to be kept off Lists as a citizen, and so I am glad that Petronius Dexter has remedied at least that situation.

We must never, ever - even if badly goaded and urged to do so - act like those against whom we struggle. This means that while rhetoric and polemics are expected in fierce debate, actual violation of the laws and rights of citizens is absolutely unacceptable.

Valete,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> It's just their usual claptrap of double standards, notice livia never responded to piscinus removing cp members from the cp list. Nope it was just about her being removed from a list.
>
> This is just another example!
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 3, 2010, at 3:22 AM, "M. Valerius Chlorus" <valerius_chlorus@...> wrote:
>
> > Salve Anna,
> >
> > That can not easily be remedied and it can not act as rock solid evidence.
> > Please remember that in the digital age we currently live in it is
> > amazingly easy to falsify anything, and e-mails are the easiest of them all.
> >
> > This does not mean it is not true of course, but it can certainly not be
> > proof of the truth.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > M.Valerius Chlorus
> >
> > Decurio Princeps
> > Sodalitas Militarium
> >
> > On 03/11/10 09:43, lathyrus77 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Gaius Lucretius Seneca <c.lucretius.seneca@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salve
> > > >
> > > > On 11/2/2010 9:28 PM, rory12001 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > See below the vile note I received from Sulla when praetrix.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oops, I missed that bit, and the alleged message you quoted - I looked
> > > > down and just saw Anna's message.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, if that happened, I would call that sexual harassment. But Nova
> > > > Roma didn't sexually harass you, unless you're equating Sulla with NR
> > > > now. But since you equate yourself with all women, perhaps you actually
> > > > think that too.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > LOL I guessed right. By the way, how is it an "alleged message"? You
> > > can clearly see it's a message, so there's nothing to allege. Perhaps
> > > you aren't sure if the message came from sulla. That can be easily
> > > remedied, she could just forward you the email as evidence.
> > >
> > > And since sulla is a Senator of NR, his conduct reflects on NR(which
> > > is why I can never return as a member as long as NR permits him to be
> > > here, let alone on the Board of Directors/Senate). It's quite
> > > surprising he's only had one nota put on him.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Anna Bucci
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81557 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Lentulus Catoni salutem:


Thank you for saying and emphasizing that, C. Cato! That should be the Golden Rule:

"We must never, ever - even if badly goaded and urged to do so - act like those against whom we struggle."


Valete!





--- Mer 3/11/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> ha scritto:









 









Cato Cornelio Sullae omnibusque in foro SPD



First off, remember that the List which Piscinus has taken random control of is no longer the "CP List", as Iulius Sabinus has legally replaced it with the official List of the Respublica's valid College. Piscinus can do whatever he wants in his own little world, it means nothing to the Respublica.



It would be a double standard for Livia to be kept off Lists as a citizen, and so I am glad that Petronius Dexter has remedied at least that situation.



We must never, ever - even if badly goaded and urged to do so - act like those against whom we struggle. This means that while rhetoric and polemics are expected in fierce debate, actual violation of the laws and rights of citizens is absolutely unacceptable.



Valete,



Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

>

> Ave,

>

> It's just their usual claptrap of double standards, notice livia never responded to piscinus removing cp members from the cp list. Nope it was just about her being removed from a list.

>

> This is just another example!

>

> Vale

>

> Sulla

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Nov 3, 2010, at 3:22 AM, "M. Valerius Chlorus" <valerius_chlorus@...> wrote:

>

> > Salve Anna,

> >

> > That can not easily be remedied and it can not act as rock solid evidence.

> > Please remember that in the digital age we currently live in it is

> > amazingly easy to falsify anything, and e-mails are the easiest of them all.

> >

> > This does not mean it is not true of course, but it can certainly not be

> > proof of the truth.

> >

> > Vale,

> >

> > M.Valerius Chlorus

> >

> > Decurio Princeps

> > Sodalitas Militarium

> >

> > On 03/11/10 09:43, lathyrus77 wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,

> > > Gaius Lucretius Seneca <c.lucretius.seneca@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Salve

> > > >

> > > > On 11/2/2010 9:28 PM, rory12001 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > See below the vile note I received from Sulla when praetrix.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Oops, I missed that bit, and the alleged message you quoted - I looked

> > > > down and just saw Anna's message.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, if that happened, I would call that sexual harassment. But Nova

> > > > Roma didn't sexually harass you, unless you're equating Sulla with NR

> > > > now. But since you equate yourself with all women, perhaps you actually

> > > > think that too.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Salve,

> > >

> > > LOL I guessed right. By the way, how is it an "alleged message"? You

> > > can clearly see it's a message, so there's nothing to allege. Perhaps

> > > you aren't sure if the message came from sulla. That can be easily

> > > remedied, she could just forward you the email as evidence.

> > >

> > > And since sulla is a Senator of NR, his conduct reflects on NR(which

> > > is why I can never return as a member as long as NR permits him to be

> > > here, let alone on the Board of Directors/Senate). It's quite

> > > surprising he's only had one nota put on him.

> > >

> > > Vale,

> > >

> > > Anna Bucci

> > >

> > >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

> >

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81558 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Ave,

Oh you are absolutely correct! 100% correct. Its just everytime when livia or compy or damn near anyone in that faction speaks criticizing someone they oppose - it is just ironic that they don't see the beam in their own eye! Like livia being bounced from a list, that wasn't cool - yet livia could have made a hugely stronger appeal if she had criticized her own ally, piscinus for doing the same exact thing - on an official list, at the time, instead she was completely silent. Giving the impression that she has no problems with piscinus actions!

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 3, 2010, at 6:58 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

> Cato Cornelio Sullae omnibusque in foro SPD
>
> First off, remember that the List which Piscinus has taken random control of is no longer the "CP List", as Iulius Sabinus has legally replaced it with the official List of the Respublica's valid College. Piscinus can do whatever he wants in his own little world, it means nothing to the Respublica.
>
> It would be a double standard for Livia to be kept off Lists as a citizen, and so I am glad that Petronius Dexter has remedied at least that situation.
>
> We must never, ever - even if badly goaded and urged to do so - act like those against whom we struggle. This means that while rhetoric and polemics are expected in fierce debate, actual violation of the laws and rights of citizens is absolutely unacceptable.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ave,
> >
> > It's just their usual claptrap of double standards, notice livia never responded to piscinus removing cp members from the cp list. Nope it was just about her being removed from a list.
> >
> > This is just another example!
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 3, 2010, at 3:22 AM, "M. Valerius Chlorus" <valerius_chlorus@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Salve Anna,
> > >
> > > That can not easily be remedied and it can not act as rock solid evidence.
> > > Please remember that in the digital age we currently live in it is
> > > amazingly easy to falsify anything, and e-mails are the easiest of them all.
> > >
> > > This does not mean it is not true of course, but it can certainly not be
> > > proof of the truth.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > M.Valerius Chlorus
> > >
> > > Decurio Princeps
> > > Sodalitas Militarium
> > >
> > > On 03/11/10 09:43, lathyrus77 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > Gaius Lucretius Seneca <c.lucretius.seneca@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/2/2010 9:28 PM, rory12001 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See below the vile note I received from Sulla when praetrix.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oops, I missed that bit, and the alleged message you quoted - I looked
> > > > > down and just saw Anna's message.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, if that happened, I would call that sexual harassment. But Nova
> > > > > Roma didn't sexually harass you, unless you're equating Sulla with NR
> > > > > now. But since you equate yourself with all women, perhaps you actually
> > > > > think that too.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Salve,
> > > >
> > > > LOL I guessed right. By the way, how is it an "alleged message"? You
> > > > can clearly see it's a message, so there's nothing to allege. Perhaps
> > > > you aren't sure if the message came from sulla. That can be easily
> > > > remedied, she could just forward you the email as evidence.
> > > >
> > > > And since sulla is a Senator of NR, his conduct reflects on NR(which
> > > > is why I can never return as a member as long as NR permits him to be
> > > > here, let alone on the Board of Directors/Senate). It's quite
> > > > surprising he's only had one nota put on him.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Anna Bucci
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81559 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Valerius Chlorus" <valerius_chlorus@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Anna,
>
> That can not easily be remedied and it can not act as rock solid evidence.
> Please remember that in the digital age we currently live in it is
> amazingly easy to falsify anything, and e-mails are the easiest of them all.
>
> This does not mean it is not true of course, but it can certainly not be
> proof of the truth.
>

Salve,

Except he admitted to saying it, so it's moot now.

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81560 From: M. Valerius Chlorus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salve,

I received that message just after I had sent mine.
In that case no other evidence is needed.

Vale bene,

M.Valerius Chlorus

Decurio Princeps
Sodalitas Militarium


On 03/11/10 17:47, lathyrus77 wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "M. Valerius Chlorus" <valerius_chlorus@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Anna,
> >
> > That can not easily be remedied and it can not act as rock solid
> evidence.
> > Please remember that in the digital age we currently live in it is
> > amazingly easy to falsify anything, and e-mails are the easiest of
> them all.
> >
> > This does not mean it is not true of course, but it can certainly
> not be
> > proof of the truth.
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> Except he admitted to saying it, so it's moot now.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81561 From: Marcus Prometheus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Patriarchate is inheriting the world (as it already did at the fall
*

Why MEN RULE
*
*

The Return of Patriarchy

· By Phillip Longman <http://newamerica.net/user/92>,

· New America Foundation March 1, 2006 | Foreign
Policy<http://www.newamerica.net/taxonomy/term/728>

·

Like it or not, a growing proportion of the next generation will be
born into families who believe that father knows best.



"If we could survive without a wife, citizens of Rome, all of us would do
without that nuisance." So proclaimed the Roman general, statesman, and
censor Quintus Caecilius Metellus Macedonicus, in 131 B.C. Still, he went on
to plead, falling birthrates required that Roman men fulfill their duty to
reproduce, no matter how irritating Roman women might have become. "Since
nature has so decreed that we cannot manage comfortably with them, nor live
in any way without them, we must plan for our lasting preservation rather
than for our temporary pleasure."

With the number of human beings having increased more than six-fold in the
past 200 years, the modern mind simply assumes that men and women, no matter
how estranged, will always breed enough children to grow the population --
at least until plague or starvation sets in. It is an assumption that not
only conforms to our long experience of a world growing ever more crowded,
but which also enjoys the endorsement of such influential thinkers as Thomas
Malthus and his many modern acolytes.

Yet, for more than a generation now, well-fed, healthy, peaceful populations
around the world have been producing too few children to avoid population
decline. That is true even though dramatic improvements in infant and child
mortality mean that far fewer children are needed today (only about 2.1 per
woman in modern societies) to avoid population loss. Birthrates are falling
far below replacement levels in one country after the next -- from China,
Japan, Singapore, and South Korea, to Canada, the Caribbean, all of Europe,
Russia, and even parts of the Middle East.

Fearful of a future in which the elderly outnumber the young, many
governments are doing whatever they can to encourage people to have
children. Singapore has sponsored "speed dating" events, in hopes of
bringing busy professionals together to marry and procreate. France offers
generous tax incentives for those willing to start a family. In Sweden, the
state finances day care to ease the tension between work and family life.
Yet, though such explicitly pronatal policies may encourage people to have
children at a younger age, there is little evidence they cause people to
have more children than they otherwise would. As governments going as far
back as imperial Rome have discovered, when cultural and economic conditions
discourage parenthood, not even a dictator can force people to go forth and
multiply.

Throughout the broad sweep of human history, there are many examples of
people, or classes of people, who chose to avoid the costs of parenthood.
Indeed, falling fertility is a recurring tendency of human civilization. Why
then did humans not become extinct long ago? The short answer is patriarchy.

Patriarchy does not simply mean that men rule. Indeed, it is a particular
value system that not only requires men to marry but to marry a woman of
proper station. It competes with many other male visions of the good life,
and for that reason alone is prone to come in cycles. Yet before it
degenerates, it is a cultural regime that serves to keep birthrates high
among the affluent, while also maximizing parents' investments in their
children. No advanced civilization has yet learned how to endure without it.

Through a process of cultural evolution, societies that adopted this
particular social system -- which involves far more than simple male
domination -- maximized their population and therefore their power, whereas
those that didn't were either overrun or absorbed. This cycle in human
history may be obnoxious to the enlightened, but it is set to make a
comeback.

The Conservative Baby Boom

The historical relation between patriarchy, population, and power has deep
implications for our own time. As the United States is discovering today in
Iraq, population is still power. Smart bombs, laser-guided missiles, and
unmanned drones may vastly extend the violent reach of a hegemonic power.
But ultimately, it is often the number of boots on the ground that changes
history. Even with a fertility rate near replacement level, the United
States lacks the amount of people necessary to sustain an imperial role in
the world, just as Britain lost its ability to do so after its birthrates
collapsed in the early 20th century. For countries such as China, Germany,
Italy, Japan, and Spain, in which one-child families are now the norm, the
quality of human capital may be high, but it has literally become too rare
to put at risk.

Falling fertility is also responsible for many financial and economic
problems that dominate today's headlines. The long-term financing of social
security schemes, private pension plans, and healthcare systems has little
to do with people living longer. Gains in life expectancy at older ages have
actually been quite modest, and the rate of improvement in the United States
has diminished for each of the last three decades. Instead, the falling
ratio of workers to retirees is overwhelmingly caused by workers who were
never born. As governments raise taxes on a dwindling working-age population
to cover the growing burdens of supporting the elderly, young couples may
conclude they are even less able to afford children than their parents were,
thereby setting off a new cycle of population aging and decline.

Declining birthrates also change national temperament. In the United States,
for example, the percentage of women born in the late 1930s who remained
childless was near 10 percent. By comparison, nearly 20 percent of women
born in the late 1950s are reaching the end of their reproductive lives
without having had children. The greatly expanded childless segment of
contemporary society, whose members are drawn disproportionately from the
feminist and countercultural movements of the 1960s and 70s, will leave no
genetic legacy. Nor will their emotional or psychological influence on the
next generation compare with that of their parents.

Meanwhile, single-child families are prone to extinction. A single child
replaces one of his or her parents, but not both. Nor do single-child
families contribute much to future population. The 17.4 percent of baby
boomer women who had only one child account for a mere 7.8 percent of
children born in the next generation. By contrast, nearly a quarter of the
children of baby boomers descend from the mere 11 percent of baby boomer
women who had four or more children. These circumstances are leading to the
emergence of a new society whose members will disproportionately be
descended from parents who rejected the social tendencies that once made
childlessness and small families the norm. These values include an adherence
to traditional, patriarchal religion, and a strong identification with one's
own folk or nation.

This dynamic helps explain, for example, the gradual drift of American
culture away from secular individualism and toward religious fundamentalism.
Among states that voted for President George W. Bush in 2004, fertility
rates are 12 percent higher than in states that voted for Sen. John Kerry.
It may also help to explain the increasing popular resistance among
rank-and-file Europeans to such crown jewels of secular liberalism as the
European Union. It turns out that Europeans who are most likely to identify
themselves as "world citizens" are also those least likely to have children.

Does this mean that today's enlightened but slow-breeding societies face
extinction? Probably not, but only because they face a dramatic,
demographically driven transformation of their cultures. As has happened
many times before in history, it is a transformation that occurs as secular
and libertarian elements in society fail to reproduce, and as people
adhering to more traditional, patriarchal values inherit society by default.

At least as long ago as ancient Greek and Roman times, many sophisticated
members of society concluded that investing in children brought no
advantage. Rather, children came to be seen as a costly impediment to
self-fulfillment and worldly achievement. But, though these attitudes led to
the extinction of many individual families, they did not lead to the
extinction of society as a whole. Instead, through a process of cultural
evolution, a set of values and norms that can roughly be described as
patriarchy reemerged.

Population Becomes Power

In the primordial past, to be sure, most societies did not coerce
reproduction, because they had to avoid breeding faster than the wild game
on which they fed. Indeed, in almost all the hunter-gatherer societies that
survived long enough to be studied by anthropologists, such as the Eskimos
and Tasmanian Bushmen, one finds customs that in one way or another
discouraged population growth. In various combinations, these have included
late marriage, genital mutilation, abortion, and infanticide. Some early
hunter-gatherer societies may have also limited population growth by giving
women high-status positions. Allowing at least some number of females to
take on roles such as priestess, sorcerer, oracle, artist, and even warrior
would have provided meaningful alternatives to motherhood and thereby
reduced overall fertility to within sustainable limits.

During the eons before agriculture emerged, there was little or no military
reason to promote high fertility. War and conquests could bring little
advantage to society. There were no granaries to raid, no livestock to
steal, no use for slaves except rape. But with the coming of the Neolithic
agricultural revolution, starting about 11,000 years ago, everything
changed. The domestication of plants and animals led to vastly increased
food supplies. Surplus food allowed cities to emerge, and freed more people
to work on projects such as building pyramids and developing a written
language to record history. But the most fateful change rendered by the
agricultural revolution was the way it turned population into power. Because
of the relative abundance of food, more and more societies discovered that
the greatest demographic threat to their survival was no longer
overpopulation, but underpopulation.

At that point, instead of dying of starvation, societies with high fertility
grew in strength and number and began menacing those with lower fertility.
In more and more places in the world, fast-breeding tribes morphed into
nations and empires and swept away any remaining, slow-breeding hunters and
gatherers. It mattered that your warriors were fierce and valiant in battle;
it mattered more that there were lots of them.

That was the lesson King Pyrrhus learned in the third century B.C., when he
marched his Greek armies into the Italian peninsula and tried to take on the
Romans. Pyrrhus initially prevailed at a great battle at Asculum. But it
was, as they say, "a Pyrrhic victory," and Pyrrhus could only conclude that
"another such victory over the Romans and we are undone." The Romans, who by
then were procreating far more rapidly than were the Greeks, kept pouring in
reinforcements -- "as from a fountain continually flowing out of the city,"
the Greek historian Plutarch tells us. Hopelessly outnumbered, Pyrrhus went
on to lose the war, and Greece, after falling into a long era of population
decline, eventually became a looted colony of Rome.

Like today's modern, well-fed nations, both ancient Greece and Rome
eventually found that their elites had lost interest in the often dreary
chores of family life. "In our time all Greece was visited by a dearth of
children and a general decay of population," lamented the Greek historian
Polybius around 140 B.C., just as Greece was giving in to Roman domination.
"This evil grew upon us rapidly, and without attracting attention, by our
men becoming perverted to a passion for show and money and the pleasures of
an idle life." But, as with civilizations around the globe, patriarchy, for
as long as it could be sustained, was the key to maintaining population and,
therefore, power.





Father Knows Best?

Patriarchal societies come in many varieties and evolve through different
stages. What they have in common are customs and attitudes that collectively
serve to maximize fertility and parental investment in the next generation.
Of these, among the most important is the stigmatization of "illegitimate"
children. One measure of the degree to which patriarchy has diminished in
advanced societies is the growing acceptance of out-of-wedlock births, which
have now become the norm in Scandinavian countries, for example.

Under patriarchy, "bastards" and single mothers cannot be tolerated because
they undermine male investment in the next generation. Illegitimate children
do not take their fathers' name, and so their fathers, even if known, tend
not to take any responsibility for them. By contrast, "legitimate" children
become a source of either honor or shame to their fathers and the family
line. The notion that legitimate children belong to their fathers' family,
and not to their mothers', which has no basis in biology, gives many men
powerful emotional reasons to want children, and to want their children to
succeed in passing on their legacy. Patriarchy also leads men to keep having
children until they produce at least one son.

Another key to patriarchy's evolutionary advantage is the way it penalizes
women who do not marry and have children. Just decades ago in the
English-speaking world, such women were referred to, even by their own
mothers, as spinsters or old maids, to be pitied for their barrenness or
condemned for their selfishness. Patriarchy made the incentive of taking a
husband and becoming a full-time mother very high because it offered women
few desirable alternatives.

To be sure, a society organized on such principles may well degenerate over
time into misogyny, and eventually sterility, as occurred in both ancient
Greece and Rome.

In more recent times, the patriarchal family has also proved vulnerable to
the rise of capitalism, which profits from the diversion of female labor
from the house to the workplace. But as long as the patriarchal system
avoids succumbing to these threats, it will produce a greater quantity of
children, and arguably children of higher quality, than do societies
organized by other principles, which is all that evolution cares about.

This claim is contentious. Today, after all, we associate patriarchy with
the hideous abuse of women and children, with poverty and failed states.
Taliban rebels or Muslim fanatics in Nigeria stoning an adulteress to death
come to mind. Yet these are examples of insecure societies that have
degenerated into male tyrannies, and they do not represent the form of
patriarchy that has achieved evolutionary advantage in human history. Under
a true patriarchal system, such as in early Rome or 17th-century Protestant
Europe, fathers have strong reason to take an active interest in the
children their wives bear. That is because, when men come to see themselves,
and are seen by others, as upholders of a patriarchal line, how those
children turn out directly affects their own rank and honor.

Under patriarchy, maternal investment in children also increases. As
feminist economist Nancy Folbre has observed, "Patriarchal control over
women tends to increase their specialization in reproductive labor, with
important consequences for both the quantity and the quality of their
investments in the next generation." Those consequences arguably include:
more children receiving more attention from their mothers, who, having few
other ways of finding meaning in their lives, become more skilled at keeping
their children safe and healthy. Without implying any endorsement for the
strategy, one must observe that a society that presents women with
essentially three options -- be a nun, be a prostitute, or marry a man and
bear children -- has stumbled upon a highly effective way to reduce the risk
of demographic decline.

Patriarchy and Its Discontents

Patriarchy may enjoy evolutionary advantages, but nothing has ensured the
survival of any particular patriarchal society. One reason is that men can
grow weary of patriarchy's demands. Roman aristocrats, for example,
eventually became so reluctant to accept the burdens of heading a family
that Caesar Augustus felt compelled to enact steep "bachelor taxes" and
otherwise punish those who remained unwed and childless. Patriarchy may have
its privileges, but they may pale in comparison to the joys of bachelorhood
in a luxurious society -- nights spent enjoyably at banquets with friends
discussing sports, war stories, or philosophy, or with alluring mistresses,
flute girls, or clever courtesans.

Women, of course, also have reason to grow weary of patriarchy, particularly
when men themselves are no longer upholding their patriarchal duties.
Historian Suzanne Cross notes that during the decades of Rome's civil wars,
Roman women of all classes had to learn how to do without men for prolonged
periods, and accordingly developed a new sense of individuality and
independence. Few women in the upper classes would agree to a marriage to an
abusive husband. Adultery and divorce became rampant.

Often, all that sustains the patriarchal family is the idea that its members
are upholding the honor of a long and noble line. Yet, once a society grows
cosmopolitan, fast-paced, and filled with new ideas, new peoples, and new
luxuries, this sense of honor and connection to one's ancestors begins to
fade, and with it, any sense of the necessity of reproduction. "When the
ordinary thought of a highly cultivated people begins to regard 'having
children' as a question of pro's and con's," Oswald Spengler, the German
historian and philosopher, once observed, "the great turning point has
come."





The Return of Patriarchy

Yet that turning point does not necessarily mean the death of a
civilization, only its transformation. Eventually, for example, the sterile,
secular, noble families of imperial Rome died off, and with them, their
ancestors' idea of Rome. But what was once the Roman Empire remained
populated. Only the composition of the population changed. Nearly by
default, it became composed of new, highly patriarchal family units, hostile
to the secular world and enjoined by faith either to go forth and multiply
or join a monastery. With these changes came a feudal Europe, but not the
end of Europe, nor the end of Western Civilization.

We may witness a similar transformation during this century. In Europe
today, for example, how many children different people have, and under what
circumstances, correlates strongly with their beliefs on a wide range of
political and cultural attitudes. For instance, do you distrust the army?
Then, according to polling data assembled by demographers Ronny Lesthaeghe
and Johan Surkyn, you are less likely to be married and have kids-or ever to
get married and have kids-than those who say they have no objection to the
military. Or again, do you find soft drugs, homosexuality, and euthanasia
acceptable? Do you seldom, if ever, attend church? For whatever reason,
people answering affirmatively to such questions are far more likely to live
alone, or in childless, cohabitating unions, than those who answer
negatively.

The great difference in fertility rates between secular individualists and
religious or cultural conservatives augurs a vast, demographically driven
change in modern societies. Consider the demographics of France, for
example. Among French women born in the early 1960s, less than a third have
three or more children. But this distinct minority of French women (most of
them presumably practicing Catholics and Muslims) produced more than 50
percent of all children born to their generation, in large measure because
so many of their contemporaries had one child or none at all.

Many childless, middle-aged people may regret the life choices that are
leading to the extinction of their family lines, and yet they have no sons
or daughters with whom to share their newfound wisdom. The plurality of
citizens who have only one child may be able to invest lavishly in that
child's education, but a single child will only replace one parent, not
both. Meanwhile, the descendants of parents who have three or more children
will be hugely overrepresented in subsequent generations, and so will the
values and ideas that led their parents to have large families.

One could argue that history, and particularly Western history, is full of
revolts of children against parents. Couldn't tomorrow's Europeans, even if
they are disproportionately raised in patriarchal, religiously minded
households, turn out to be another generation of '68?

The key difference is that during the post-World War II era, nearly all
segments of modern societies married and had children. Some had more than
others, but the disparity in family size between the religious and the
secular was not so large, and childlessness was rare. Today, by contrast,
childlessness is common, and even couples who have children typically have
just one. Tomorrow's children, therefore, unlike members of the postwar baby
boom generation, will be for the most part descendants of a comparatively
narrow and culturally conservative segment of society. To be sure, some
members of the rising generation may reject their parents' values, as always
happens. But when they look around for fellow secularists and
counterculturalists with whom to make common cause, they will find that most
of their wouldbe fellow travelers were quite literally never born.

Advanced societies are growing more patriarchal, whether they like it or
not. In addition to the greater fertility of conservative segments of
society, the rollback of the welfare state forced by population aging and
decline will give these elements an additional survival advantage, and
therefore spur even higher fertility. As governments hand back functions
they once appropriated from the family, notably support in old age, people
will find that they need more children to insure their golden years, and
they will seek to bind their children to them through inculcating
traditional religious values akin to the Bible's injunction to honor thy
mother and father.

Societies that are today the most secular and the most generous with their
underfunded welfare states will be the most prone to religious revivals and
a rebirth of the patriarchal family. The absolute population of Europe and
Japan may fall dramatically, but the remaining population will, by a process
similar to survival of the fittest, be adapted to a new environment in which
no one can rely on government to replace the family, and in which a
patriarchal God commands family members to suppress their individualism and
submit to father.



http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/2006/the_return_of_patriarchy


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81562 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Patriarchate is inheriting the world (as it already did at the f
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Prometheus <marcusprometheus@...> wrote:
>
> *
>
> Why MEN RULE
>


Salve,

You forgot to include the copyright notcie:

"Copyright 2006, Foreign Policy"


Which you violated by republishing without obtaining permission from the copyright holder.

Correct me if I'm wrong and you actually did get permission, but forgot to include it in your post.

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81564 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salve Anna,

Sorry to hear you feel that way. As far as I can tell, the only Flavor-aide
being mixed here is that of the former pontifex maximus pro tempore, who
thinks that simply claiming he does not recognize reality will somehow
change reality to suit him (btw, at Jonestown they drank Flavor-aide, not
Kool-aide . . . fun historical fact!).

Wassail!
~ Valerianus

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:33 PM, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Gaius
> Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
> >
> > Gaius Tullius Valerianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.
> >
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> I've totally lost all respect I had for you. Your ranting repsonse to the
> Pontifex Maximus is simply absurd and exagerrative. You'd be perfect for fox
> news.
>
> You drank the koolaid, brah.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
> ps. yes i'm taking you off my FB list.
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81565 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Anna,
>
> Sorry to hear you feel that way. As far as I can tell, the only Flavor-aide
> being mixed here is that of the former pontifex maximus pro tempore, who
> thinks that simply claiming he does not recognize reality will somehow
> change reality to suit him (btw, at Jonestown they drank Flavor-aide, not
> Kool-aide . . . fun historical fact!).
>
>

Salve,

I think the reality check needs to be done on the BA side of things.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81566 From: Robert Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Ave,

Why does that sound like a movie? I hereby reject reality and substitute my own? It's from a movie right?

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 3, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:

> Salve Anna,
>
> Sorry to hear you feel that way. As far as I can tell, the only Flavor-aide
> being mixed here is that of the former pontifex maximus pro tempore, who
> thinks that simply claiming he does not recognize reality will somehow
> change reality to suit him (btw, at Jonestown they drank Flavor-aide, not
> Kool-aide . . . fun historical fact!).
>
> Wassail!
> ~ Valerianus
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:33 PM, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Gaius
> > Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Gaius Tullius Valerianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > I've totally lost all respect I had for you. Your ranting repsonse to the
> > Pontifex Maximus is simply absurd and exagerrative. You'd be perfect for fox
> > news.
> >
> > You drank the koolaid, brah.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Anna Bucci
> >
> > ps. yes i'm taking you off my FB list.
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81567 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> Why does that sound like a movie? I hereby reject reality and substitute my own? It's from a movie right?
>



Salve,

Substituting your altered reality from actual reality doesn't really concern me as long as you acknowledge your delusion.

And no, it's not from a movie. Adam Savage says it on Mythbusters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81568 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Board-Senate called to order
Salvete Senatores-Directors,

Here is the definitive updated agenda of our Board session which begins tomorrow Nov. 4:


P. Memmius Albucius cos. and co-president to all Nova Roma Inc. directors (�senators�)

Considering that I have taken at dawn, this pridie Nov. 2763 auc (Su. 31st Oct., 2010), the auspices for the good holding of a session of the Board, as far as it is concerned as Senatus romanus and under Nova Roma internal rules ;
Considering that these auspices were favorable ;
Considering that it is however necessary, in the current period lived by our Corporation (�Republic�), that the requirements and protection of the incorporation Law (MRSA) be respected in the best conformity of the internal rules of our community (Roman Laws) ;

Quod bonum felixque sit populo romano quiritium, I :

Art. 1 : hereby convene the Board of Nova Roma for a session. Its advice and/or decision is asked, in the frame of this session, on the agenda presented in the relatio below ;

Art. 2 : The time table of the whole session is the following one, every hour being expressed for Rome time:
a)
4.1. Session
Beginning: 12:00 hour, pr. Nonas Nov. (Nov. 4) ; end: 17:00 hour a.d. III Idus Nov. (Nov. 11)
4.2. Contio
Beginning: 13:00 hour, pr. Nonas Nov. (Nov. 4) ; end: 15:00 hour, a.d. V Idus Nov (Nov. 9)
4.3. Vote
Beginning: 16:30 hour, a.d. V Idus Nov (Nov. 9); end: 16:30 hour, a.d. III Idus Nov (Nov. 11)




b) The session will be suspended on dies ater a.d. VIII Id. Nov. (Nov. 6).




Art. 5 : The relatio ('agenda') of the present session is the following one:

Item I � Magistracies and offices - assiduitas (lex Vedia mod.) - suspension (information)
Item II � Religious colleges � state and evolution (information and discussion)
Item III � Official lists � definition � representation of the Senate (discussion + vote)
Item IV � Annual elections 2763 - senatorial committee on the elections - report (information and discussion)
Item V � Annual elections 2763 - SCU on the electoral legal system - prorogation (discussion + vote)
Item VI � Annual elections 2763 � appointment of the required vigintisexviri - SCU (discussion + vote)
Item VII � Finances � official letter to former CFO EIL (information)
Item VIII � Bylaws � senatorial ad hoc committee (information and candidacies )
Item IX � Forum � Creation of a forum for guests and non-citizens (discussion + vote)
Item X � Provinces � Appointment of governors � Britannia � California (discussion + vote)
Item XI � Provinces � Italia � Situation after the resignation of Praef. Annaeus (information and discussion)
Item XII � Annual elections � Constitution� Different dates for Pl. and Cur. magistrates - SCU (discussion + vote)



Art. 7 : The items mentioned in the article 5 may be completed in the following days by additional items or, for further information, by attached documents, which will be placed as usual in the Board ('Senatus Romanus') files section.



Thanks for your attention, Senators-directors. Have all a good session and valete, Matres Patresque.



P. Memmius Albucius cos.
1st co-president



Datum pridie Kal. Nov. (Oct. 31,) mod. a.d. III Nonas Nov.. 2763 auc (2010 cc)



From: albucius_aoe@...
To: senatusromanus@yahoogroups.com
CC: novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com; nova-roma@yahoogroups.com; nr_senaculum@yahoogroups.com; jfarnoud94@...; corvvs@...; castra.rota@...
Subject: Board-Senate called to order
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 23:54:41 +0100

P. Memmius Albucius cos. and co-president to all Nova Roma Inc. directors (�senators�) and tribunes Plebis

Considering that I have taken at dawn, this pridie Nov. 2763 auc (Su. 31st Oct., 2010), the auspices for the good holding of a session of the Board, as far as it is concerned as Senatus romanus and under Nova Roma internal rules ;
Considering that these auspices were favorable ;
Considering that it is however necessary, in the current period lived by our Corporation (�Republic�), that the requirements and protection of the incorporation Law (MRSA) be respected in the best conformity of the internal rules of our community (Roman Laws) ;

Quod bonum felixque sit populo romano quiritium, I :

Art. 1 : hereby convene the Board of Nova Roma for a session. Its advice and/or decision is asked, in the frame of this session, on the agenda presented in the relatio below ;

Art. 2 : The time table of the whole session is the following one, every hour being expressed for Rome time:

a)
4.1. Session
Beginning: 12:00 hour, pr. Nonas Nov. (Nov. 4) ; end: 17:00 hour a.d. III Idus Nov. (Nov. 11)
4.2. Contio
Beginning: 13:00 hour, pr. Nonas Nov. (Nov. 4) ; end: 15:00 hour, a.d. V Idus Nov (Nov. 9)
4.3. Vote
Beginning: 16:30 hour, a.d. V Idus Nov (Nov. 9); end: 16:30 hour, a.d. III Idus Nov (Nov. 11)




b) The session will be suspended on dies ater a.d. VIII Id. Nov. (Nov. 6).




Art. 5 : The relatio ('agenda') of the present session is the following one:

Item I � Assidui and application of lex Vedia mod. (information)
Item II � Senatorial Committee on the elections - report (information and discussion)
Item III � SCU on the electoral legal system - prorogation (discussion + vote)
Item IV � Bylaws � senatorial ad hoc committee (information and candidacies)



Art. 7 : The items mentioned in the article 5 may be completed in the following days by additional items or, for further information, by attached documents, which will be placed as usual in the Board ('Senatus Romanus') files section.



Thanks for your attention, Senators-directors. Have all a good session and valete, Matres Patresque.




P. Memmius Albucius cos.
1st co-president


Datum pridie Kal. Nov. 2763 auc (Oct. 31, 2010 cc).


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81569 From: ndduffy1975@yahoo.com Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salve,

I don't know about a movie, but it certainly has echoes of the Bush administrations comments on "the reality-based community"...

NDD
Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert <robert.woolwine@...>
Sender: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:57:42
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Nova-Roma<Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM

Ave,

Why does that sound like a movie? I hereby reject reality and substitute my own? It's from a movie right?

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 3, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:

> Salve Anna,
>
> Sorry to hear you feel that way. As far as I can tell, the only Flavor-aide
> being mixed here is that of the former pontifex maximus pro tempore, who
> thinks that simply claiming he does not recognize reality will somehow
> change reality to suit him (btw, at Jonestown they drank Flavor-aide, not
> Kool-aide . . . fun historical fact!).
>
> Wassail!
> ~ Valerianus
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:33 PM, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Gaius
> > Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Gaius Tullius Valerianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > I've totally lost all respect I had for you. Your ranting repsonse to the
> > Pontifex Maximus is simply absurd and exagerrative. You'd be perfect for fox
> > news.
> >
> > You drank the koolaid, brah.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Anna Bucci
> >
> > ps. yes i'm taking you off my FB list.
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81570 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Ave,

No no lol, its from the Mythbusters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEInbnz5XG0

There it is.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 2:32 PM, <ndduffy1975@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve,
>
> I don't know about a movie, but it certainly has echoes of the Bush
> administrations comments on "the reality-based community"...
>
> NDD
> Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>
> Sender: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:57:42
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><
> Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: Nova-Roma<Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
>
> Ave,
>
> Why does that sound like a movie? I hereby reject reality and substitute my
> own? It's from a movie right?
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 3, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <
> gaius.tullius.valerianus@... <gaius.tullius.valerianus%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Salve Anna,
> >
> > Sorry to hear you feel that way. As far as I can tell, the only
> Flavor-aide
> > being mixed here is that of the former pontifex maximus pro tempore, who
> > thinks that simply claiming he does not recognize reality will somehow
> > change reality to suit him (btw, at Jonestown they drank Flavor-aide, not
> > Kool-aide . . . fun historical fact!).
> >
> > Wassail!
> > ~ Valerianus
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:33 PM, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...<lathyrus77%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Gaius
> > > Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gaius Tullius Valerianus omnibus in foro S.P.D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > I've totally lost all respect I had for you. Your ranting repsonse to
> the
> > > Pontifex Maximus is simply absurd and exagerrative. You'd be perfect
> for fox
> > > news.
> > >
> > > You drank the koolaid, brah.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Anna Bucci
> > >
> > > ps. yes i'm taking you off my FB list.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81571 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> No no lol, its from the Mythbusters.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEInbnz5XG0
>
> There it is.
>


Salve,

I believe I just posted that.....


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81572 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salvete,

This thread is now closed. It has changed topics more than once and at this point is merely a distraction and contributing nothing on-topic.

Also, I am issuing a warning not to raise the tired old bogeyman of how NR treats women. This matter has been raised several times in the past with the same claims being repeated and nothing new or productive being added. If you merely want to repeat the same old stuff, you've been warned.

Finally, be MINDFUL of the ML restriction on sexually explicit language. It doesn't matter who said it first and where; if you post it to the ML you're responsible for it.

Valete,

M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus
Praetorian Quaestor

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> >
> > Ave,
> >
> > No no lol, its from the Mythbusters.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEInbnz5XG0
> >
> > There it is.
> >
>
>
> Salve,
>
> I believe I just posted that.....
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81573 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Patriarchate is inheriting the world (as it already did at the f
Salve Marce,
this article is very interesting and it may have some parts of truth in it,
but I find that it makes two assumptions which are questionable.
One is that upper classes become necessarily progressive and support women's
liberation (and thus less children), while lower classes are more
patriarchal and traditionalists.
The other one is that children will necessarily have the same world view as
their parents (or, in parallel, that upper classes can only transmit their
progressive values to their own children, so those values die out when they
have less children).
While both assumptions may be valid for a big number of situations, I think
that knowledge and world views have ways to spread which go beyond simple
linear descent.

Optime vale,
Livia


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Prometheus" <marcusprometheus@...>
To: <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:43 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Patriarchate is inheriting the world (as it already did
at the fall of the Roman Empire)


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Why MEN RULE
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The Return of Patriarchy

· By Phillip Longman <http://newamerica.net/user/92>,

· New America Foundation March 1, 2006 | Foreign
Policy<http://www.newamerica.net/taxonomy/term/728>

·

Like it or not, a growing proportion of the next generation will be
born into families who believe that father knows best.



"If we could survive without a wife, citizens of Rome, all of us would do
without that nuisance." So proclaimed the Roman general, statesman, and
censor Quintus Caecilius Metellus Macedonicus, in 131 B.C. Still, he went on
to plead, falling birthrates required that Roman men fulfill their duty to
reproduce, no matter how irritating Roman women might have become. "Since
nature has so decreed that we cannot manage comfortably with them, nor live
in any way without them, we must plan for our lasting preservation rather
than for our temporary pleasure."

With the number of human beings having increased more than six-fold in the
past 200 years, the modern mind simply assumes that men and women, no matter
how estranged, will always breed enough children to grow the population --
at least until plague or starvation sets in. It is an assumption that not
only conforms to our long experience of a world growing ever more crowded,
but which also enjoys the endorsement of such influential thinkers as Thomas
Malthus and his many modern acolytes.

Yet, for more than a generation now, well-fed, healthy, peaceful populations
around the world have been producing too few children to avoid population
decline. That is true even though dramatic improvements in infant and child
mortality mean that far fewer children are needed today (only about 2.1 per
woman in modern societies) to avoid population loss. Birthrates are falling
far below replacement levels in one country after the next -- from China,
Japan, Singapore, and South Korea, to Canada, the Caribbean, all of Europe,
Russia, and even parts of the Middle East.

Fearful of a future in which the elderly outnumber the young, many
governments are doing whatever they can to encourage people to have
children. Singapore has sponsored "speed dating" events, in hopes of
bringing busy professionals together to marry and procreate. France offers
generous tax incentives for those willing to start a family. In Sweden, the
state finances day care to ease the tension between work and family life.
Yet, though such explicitly pronatal policies may encourage people to have
children at a younger age, there is little evidence they cause people to
have more children than they otherwise would. As governments going as far
back as imperial Rome have discovered, when cultural and economic conditions
discourage parenthood, not even a dictator can force people to go forth and
multiply.

Throughout the broad sweep of human history, there are many examples of
people, or classes of people, who chose to avoid the costs of parenthood.
Indeed, falling fertility is a recurring tendency of human civilization. Why
then did humans not become extinct long ago? The short answer is patriarchy.

Patriarchy does not simply mean that men rule. Indeed, it is a particular
value system that not only requires men to marry but to marry a woman of
proper station. It competes with many other male visions of the good life,
and for that reason alone is prone to come in cycles. Yet before it
degenerates, it is a cultural regime that serves to keep birthrates high
among the affluent, while also maximizing parents' investments in their
children. No advanced civilization has yet learned how to endure without it.

Through a process of cultural evolution, societies that adopted this
particular social system -- which involves far more than simple male
domination -- maximized their population and therefore their power, whereas
those that didn't were either overrun or absorbed. This cycle in human
history may be obnoxious to the enlightened, but it is set to make a
comeback.

The Conservative Baby Boom

The historical relation between patriarchy, population, and power has deep
implications for our own time. As the United States is discovering today in
Iraq, population is still power. Smart bombs, laser-guided missiles, and
unmanned drones may vastly extend the violent reach of a hegemonic power.
But ultimately, it is often the number of boots on the ground that changes
history. Even with a fertility rate near replacement level, the United
States lacks the amount of people necessary to sustain an imperial role in
the world, just as Britain lost its ability to do so after its birthrates
collapsed in the early 20th century. For countries such as China, Germany,
Italy, Japan, and Spain, in which one-child families are now the norm, the
quality of human capital may be high, but it has literally become too rare
to put at risk.

Falling fertility is also responsible for many financial and economic
problems that dominate today's headlines. The long-term financing of social
security schemes, private pension plans, and healthcare systems has little
to do with people living longer. Gains in life expectancy at older ages have
actually been quite modest, and the rate of improvement in the United States
has diminished for each of the last three decades. Instead, the falling
ratio of workers to retirees is overwhelmingly caused by workers who were
never born. As governments raise taxes on a dwindling working-age population
to cover the growing burdens of supporting the elderly, young couples may
conclude they are even less able to afford children than their parents were,
thereby setting off a new cycle of population aging and decline.

Declining birthrates also change national temperament. In the United States,
for example, the percentage of women born in the late 1930s who remained
childless was near 10 percent. By comparison, nearly 20 percent of women
born in the late 1950s are reaching the end of their reproductive lives
without having had children. The greatly expanded childless segment of
contemporary society, whose members are drawn disproportionately from the
feminist and countercultural movements of the 1960s and 70s, will leave no
genetic legacy. Nor will their emotional or psychological influence on the
next generation compare with that of their parents.

Meanwhile, single-child families are prone to extinction. A single child
replaces one of his or her parents, but not both. Nor do single-child
families contribute much to future population. The 17.4 percent of baby
boomer women who had only one child account for a mere 7.8 percent of
children born in the next generation. By contrast, nearly a quarter of the
children of baby boomers descend from the mere 11 percent of baby boomer
women who had four or more children. These circumstances are leading to the
emergence of a new society whose members will disproportionately be
descended from parents who rejected the social tendencies that once made
childlessness and small families the norm. These values include an adherence
to traditional, patriarchal religion, and a strong identification with one's
own folk or nation.

This dynamic helps explain, for example, the gradual drift of American
culture away from secular individualism and toward religious fundamentalism.
Among states that voted for President George W. Bush in 2004, fertility
rates are 12 percent higher than in states that voted for Sen. John Kerry.
It may also help to explain the increasing popular resistance among
rank-and-file Europeans to such crown jewels of secular liberalism as the
European Union. It turns out that Europeans who are most likely to identify
themselves as "world citizens" are also those least likely to have children.

Does this mean that today's enlightened but slow-breeding societies face
extinction? Probably not, but only because they face a dramatic,
demographically driven transformation of their cultures. As has happened
many times before in history, it is a transformation that occurs as secular
and libertarian elements in society fail to reproduce, and as people
adhering to more traditional, patriarchal values inherit society by default.

At least as long ago as ancient Greek and Roman times, many sophisticated
members of society concluded that investing in children brought no
advantage. Rather, children came to be seen as a costly impediment to
self-fulfillment and worldly achievement. But, though these attitudes led to
the extinction of many individual families, they did not lead to the
extinction of society as a whole. Instead, through a process of cultural
evolution, a set of values and norms that can roughly be described as
patriarchy reemerged.

Population Becomes Power

In the primordial past, to be sure, most societies did not coerce
reproduction, because they had to avoid breeding faster than the wild game
on which they fed. Indeed, in almost all the hunter-gatherer societies that
survived long enough to be studied by anthropologists, such as the Eskimos
and Tasmanian Bushmen, one finds customs that in one way or another
discouraged population growth. In various combinations, these have included
late marriage, genital mutilation, abortion, and infanticide. Some early
hunter-gatherer societies may have also limited population growth by giving
women high-status positions. Allowing at least some number of females to
take on roles such as priestess, sorcerer, oracle, artist, and even warrior
would have provided meaningful alternatives to motherhood and thereby
reduced overall fertility to within sustainable limits.

During the eons before agriculture emerged, there was little or no military
reason to promote high fertility. War and conquests could bring little
advantage to society. There were no granaries to raid, no livestock to
steal, no use for slaves except rape. But with the coming of the Neolithic
agricultural revolution, starting about 11,000 years ago, everything
changed. The domestication of plants and animals led to vastly increased
food supplies. Surplus food allowed cities to emerge, and freed more people
to work on projects such as building pyramids and developing a written
language to record history. But the most fateful change rendered by the
agricultural revolution was the way it turned population into power. Because
of the relative abundance of food, more and more societies discovered that
the greatest demographic threat to their survival was no longer
overpopulation, but underpopulation.

At that point, instead of dying of starvation, societies with high fertility
grew in strength and number and began menacing those with lower fertility.
In more and more places in the world, fast-breeding tribes morphed into
nations and empires and swept away any remaining, slow-breeding hunters and
gatherers. It mattered that your warriors were fierce and valiant in battle;
it mattered more that there were lots of them.

That was the lesson King Pyrrhus learned in the third century B.C., when he
marched his Greek armies into the Italian peninsula and tried to take on the
Romans. Pyrrhus initially prevailed at a great battle at Asculum. But it
was, as they say, "a Pyrrhic victory," and Pyrrhus could only conclude that
"another such victory over the Romans and we are undone." The Romans, who by
then were procreating far more rapidly than were the Greeks, kept pouring in
reinforcements -- "as from a fountain continually flowing out of the city,"
the Greek historian Plutarch tells us. Hopelessly outnumbered, Pyrrhus went
on to lose the war, and Greece, after falling into a long era of population
decline, eventually became a looted colony of Rome.

Like today's modern, well-fed nations, both ancient Greece and Rome
eventually found that their elites had lost interest in the often dreary
chores of family life. "In our time all Greece was visited by a dearth of
children and a general decay of population," lamented the Greek historian
Polybius around 140 B.C., just as Greece was giving in to Roman domination.
"This evil grew upon us rapidly, and without attracting attention, by our
men becoming perverted to a passion for show and money and the pleasures of
an idle life." But, as with civilizations around the globe, patriarchy, for
as long as it could be sustained, was the key to maintaining population and,
therefore, power.





Father Knows Best?

Patriarchal societies come in many varieties and evolve through different
stages. What they have in common are customs and attitudes that collectively
serve to maximize fertility and parental investment in the next generation.
Of these, among the most important is the stigmatization of "illegitimate"
children. One measure of the degree to which patriarchy has diminished in
advanced societies is the growing acceptance of out-of-wedlock births, which
have now become the norm in Scandinavian countries, for example.

Under patriarchy, "bastards" and single mothers cannot be tolerated because
they undermine male investment in the next generation. Illegitimate children
do not take their fathers' name, and so their fathers, even if known, tend
not to take any responsibility for them. By contrast, "legitimate" children
become a source of either honor or shame to their fathers and the family
line. The notion that legitimate children belong to their fathers' family,
and not to their mothers', which has no basis in biology, gives many men
powerful emotional reasons to want children, and to want their children to
succeed in passing on their legacy. Patriarchy also leads men to keep having
children until they produce at least one son.

Another key to patriarchy's evolutionary advantage is the way it penalizes
women who do not marry and have children. Just decades ago in the
English-speaking world, such women were referred to, even by their own
mothers, as spinsters or old maids, to be pitied for their barrenness or
condemned for their selfishness. Patriarchy made the incentive of taking a
husband and becoming a full-time mother very high because it offered women
few desirable alternatives.

To be sure, a society organized on such principles may well degenerate over
time into misogyny, and eventually sterility, as occurred in both ancient
Greece and Rome.

In more recent times, the patriarchal family has also proved vulnerable to
the rise of capitalism, which profits from the diversion of female labor
from the house to the workplace. But as long as the patriarchal system
avoids succumbing to these threats, it will produce a greater quantity of
children, and arguably children of higher quality, than do societies
organized by other principles, which is all that evolution cares about.

This claim is contentious. Today, after all, we associate patriarchy with
the hideous abuse of women and children, with poverty and failed states.
Taliban rebels or Muslim fanatics in Nigeria stoning an adulteress to death
come to mind. Yet these are examples of insecure societies that have
degenerated into male tyrannies, and they do not represent the form of
patriarchy that has achieved evolutionary advantage in human history. Under
a true patriarchal system, such as in early Rome or 17th-century Protestant
Europe, fathers have strong reason to take an active interest in the
children their wives bear. That is because, when men come to see themselves,
and are seen by others, as upholders of a patriarchal line, how those
children turn out directly affects their own rank and honor.

Under patriarchy, maternal investment in children also increases. As
feminist economist Nancy Folbre has observed, "Patriarchal control over
women tends to increase their specialization in reproductive labor, with
important consequences for both the quantity and the quality of their
investments in the next generation." Those consequences arguably include:
more children receiving more attention from their mothers, who, having few
other ways of finding meaning in their lives, become more skilled at keeping
their children safe and healthy. Without implying any endorsement for the
strategy, one must observe that a society that presents women with
essentially three options -- be a nun, be a prostitute, or marry a man and
bear children -- has stumbled upon a highly effective way to reduce the risk
of demographic decline.

Patriarchy and Its Discontents

Patriarchy may enjoy evolutionary advantages, but nothing has ensured the
survival of any particular patriarchal society. One reason is that men can
grow weary of patriarchy's demands. Roman aristocrats, for example,
eventually became so reluctant to accept the burdens of heading a family
that Caesar Augustus felt compelled to enact steep "bachelor taxes" and
otherwise punish those who remained unwed and childless. Patriarchy may have
its privileges, but they may pale in comparison to the joys of bachelorhood
in a luxurious society -- nights spent enjoyably at banquets with friends
discussing sports, war stories, or philosophy, or with alluring mistresses,
flute girls, or clever courtesans.

Women, of course, also have reason to grow weary of patriarchy, particularly
when men themselves are no longer upholding their patriarchal duties.
Historian Suzanne Cross notes that during the decades of Rome's civil wars,
Roman women of all classes had to learn how to do without men for prolonged
periods, and accordingly developed a new sense of individuality and
independence. Few women in the upper classes would agree to a marriage to an
abusive husband. Adultery and divorce became rampant.

Often, all that sustains the patriarchal family is the idea that its members
are upholding the honor of a long and noble line. Yet, once a society grows
cosmopolitan, fast-paced, and filled with new ideas, new peoples, and new
luxuries, this sense of honor and connection to one's ancestors begins to
fade, and with it, any sense of the necessity of reproduction. "When the
ordinary thought of a highly cultivated people begins to regard 'having
children' as a question of pro's and con's," Oswald Spengler, the German
historian and philosopher, once observed, "the great turning point has
come."





The Return of Patriarchy

Yet that turning point does not necessarily mean the death of a
civilization, only its transformation. Eventually, for example, the sterile,
secular, noble families of imperial Rome died off, and with them, their
ancestors' idea of Rome. But what was once the Roman Empire remained
populated. Only the composition of the population changed. Nearly by
default, it became composed of new, highly patriarchal family units, hostile
to the secular world and enjoined by faith either to go forth and multiply
or join a monastery. With these changes came a feudal Europe, but not the
end of Europe, nor the end of Western Civilization.

We may witness a similar transformation during this century. In Europe
today, for example, how many children different people have, and under what
circumstances, correlates strongly with their beliefs on a wide range of
political and cultural attitudes. For instance, do you distrust the army?
Then, according to polling data assembled by demographers Ronny Lesthaeghe
and Johan Surkyn, you are less likely to be married and have kids-or ever to
get married and have kids-than those who say they have no objection to the
military. Or again, do you find soft drugs, homosexuality, and euthanasia
acceptable? Do you seldom, if ever, attend church? For whatever reason,
people answering affirmatively to such questions are far more likely to live
alone, or in childless, cohabitating unions, than those who answer
negatively.

The great difference in fertility rates between secular individualists and
religious or cultural conservatives augurs a vast, demographically driven
change in modern societies. Consider the demographics of France, for
example. Among French women born in the early 1960s, less than a third have
three or more children. But this distinct minority of French women (most of
them presumably practicing Catholics and Muslims) produced more than 50
percent of all children born to their generation, in large measure because
so many of their contemporaries had one child or none at all.

Many childless, middle-aged people may regret the life choices that are
leading to the extinction of their family lines, and yet they have no sons
or daughters with whom to share their newfound wisdom. The plurality of
citizens who have only one child may be able to invest lavishly in that
child's education, but a single child will only replace one parent, not
both. Meanwhile, the descendants of parents who have three or more children
will be hugely overrepresented in subsequent generations, and so will the
values and ideas that led their parents to have large families.

One could argue that history, and particularly Western history, is full of
revolts of children against parents. Couldn't tomorrow's Europeans, even if
they are disproportionately raised in patriarchal, religiously minded
households, turn out to be another generation of '68?

The key difference is that during the post-World War II era, nearly all
segments of modern societies married and had children. Some had more than
others, but the disparity in family size between the religious and the
secular was not so large, and childlessness was rare. Today, by contrast,
childlessness is common, and even couples who have children typically have
just one. Tomorrow's children, therefore, unlike members of the postwar baby
boom generation, will be for the most part descendants of a comparatively
narrow and culturally conservative segment of society. To be sure, some
members of the rising generation may reject their parents' values, as always
happens. But when they look around for fellow secularists and
counterculturalists with whom to make common cause, they will find that most
of their wouldbe fellow travelers were quite literally never born.

Advanced societies are growing more patriarchal, whether they like it or
not. In addition to the greater fertility of conservative segments of
society, the rollback of the welfare state forced by population aging and
decline will give these elements an additional survival advantage, and
therefore spur even higher fertility. As governments hand back functions
they once appropriated from the family, notably support in old age, people
will find that they need more children to insure their golden years, and
they will seek to bind their children to them through inculcating
traditional religious values akin to the Bible's injunction to honor thy
mother and father.

Societies that are today the most secular and the most generous with their
underfunded welfare states will be the most prone to religious revivals and
a rebirth of the patriarchal family. The absolute population of Europe and
Japan may fall dramatically, but the remaining population will, by a process
similar to survival of the fittest, be adapted to a new environment in which
no one can rely on government to replace the family, and in which a
patriarchal God commands family members to suppress their individualism and
submit to father.



http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/2006/the_return_of_patriarchy


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81574 From: Vedius Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Salve M. Corneli,

May I ask by what authority you are closing this discussion?

The Constitution explicitly guarantees that all cives have the freedom
to say what they will, how they will, as long as such speech is not "an
imminent and clear danger to the Republic". Are you claiming that the
current discussion rises to that level?

Discussions wandering across topics, repeating conversations and
arguments from the past, discussing items that are not directly related
to ancient Rome or modern Nova Roma, are still fair game and part of the
right of every and any Nova Roman citizen to engage in. People are free
to "repeat the same old stuff" as many times as they wish, regardless of
your personal feelings on the matter.

Don't like it? Your computer, I am sure, has a "delete" button on its
keyboard just the same as mine does.

We have far too many petty tyrants letting some minuscule authority
going to their heads around here already; the muses list comes to mind
as a particularly egregious offender. The right of freedom of speech was
placed in the Constitution for a reason, and just because you or any
other magistrate finds the discussion not to their particular taste,
does not give them the authority to override those rights.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

On 11/3/2010 7:33 PM, gualterus_graecus wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> This thread is now closed. It has changed topics more than once and at this point is merely a distraction and contributing nothing on-topic.
>
> Also, I am issuing a warning not to raise the tired old bogeyman of how NR treats women. This matter has been raised several times in the past with the same claims being repeated and nothing new or productive being added. If you merely want to repeat the same old stuff, you've been warned.
>
> Finally, be MINDFUL of the ML restriction on sexually explicit language. It doesn't matter who said it first and where; if you post it to the ML you're responsible for it.
>
> Valete,
>
> M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus
> Praetorian Quaestor
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77"<lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine<robert.woolwine@> wrote:
>>> Ave,
>>>
>>> No no lol, its from the Mythbusters.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEInbnz5XG0
>>>
>>> There it is.
>>>
>>
>> Salve,
>>
>> I believe I just posted that.....
>>
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> Anna Bucci
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81575 From: enodia2002 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
Salve,

I repeat: Livia resigned by disassociating herself from NR. She was removed from the list, NOT banned. Once it was demonstrated that she was indeed still a citizen she was put back on the list.

Enodiaria

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> Oh you are absolutely correct! 100% correct. Its just everytime when livia or compy or damn near anyone in that faction speaks criticizing someone they oppose - it is just ironic that they don't see the beam in their own eye! Like livia being bounced from a list, that wasn't cool - yet livia could have made a hugely stronger appeal if she had criticized her own ally, piscinus for doing the same exact thing - on an official list, at the time, instead she was completely silent. Giving the impression that she has no problems with piscinus actions!
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 3, 2010, at 6:58 AM, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> > Cato Cornelio Sullae omnibusque in foro SPD
> >
> > First off, remember that the List which Piscinus has taken random control of is no longer the "CP List", as Iulius Sabinus has legally replaced it with the official List of the Respublica's valid College. Piscinus can do whatever he wants in his own little world, it means nothing to the Respublica.
> >
> > It would be a double standard for Livia to be kept off Lists as a citizen, and so I am glad that Petronius Dexter has remedied at least that situation.
> >
> > We must never, ever - even if badly goaded and urged to do so - act like those against whom we struggle. This means that while rhetoric and polemics are expected in fierce debate, actual violation of the laws and rights of citizens is absolutely unacceptable.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ave,
> > >
> > > It's just their usual claptrap of double standards, notice livia never responded to piscinus removing cp members from the cp list. Nope it was just about her being removed from a list.
> > >
> > > This is just another example!
> > >
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Nov 3, 2010, at 3:22 AM, "M. Valerius Chlorus" <valerius_chlorus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Salve Anna,
> > > >
> > > > That can not easily be remedied and it can not act as rock solid evidence.
> > > > Please remember that in the digital age we currently live in it is
> > > > amazingly easy to falsify anything, and e-mails are the easiest of them all.
> > > >
> > > > This does not mean it is not true of course, but it can certainly not be
> > > > proof of the truth.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > M.Valerius Chlorus
> > > >
> > > > Decurio Princeps
> > > > Sodalitas Militarium
> > > >
> > > > On 03/11/10 09:43, lathyrus77 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > Gaius Lucretius Seneca <c.lucretius.seneca@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salve
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/2/2010 9:28 PM, rory12001 wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See below the vile note I received from Sulla when praetrix.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oops, I missed that bit, and the alleged message you quoted - I looked
> > > > > > down and just saw Anna's message.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, if that happened, I would call that sexual harassment. But Nova
> > > > > > Roma didn't sexually harass you, unless you're equating Sulla with NR
> > > > > > now. But since you equate yourself with all women, perhaps you actually
> > > > > > think that too.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve,
> > > > >
> > > > > LOL I guessed right. By the way, how is it an "alleged message"? You
> > > > > can clearly see it's a message, so there's nothing to allege. Perhaps
> > > > > you aren't sure if the message came from sulla. That can be easily
> > > > > remedied, she could just forward you the email as evidence.
> > > > >
> > > > > And since sulla is a Senator of NR, his conduct reflects on NR(which
> > > > > is why I can never return as a member as long as NR permits him to be
> > > > > here, let alone on the Board of Directors/Senate). It's quite
> > > > > surprising he's only had one nota put on him.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Anna Bucci
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81576 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Salve,

There is also another sentence in that paragraph in the Constitution (II.B.4): "Such officially sponsored fora may be expected to be reasonably moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility".

To help spell out what the Praetura considers order and civility we have a moderation edict in place which already has been violated on this thread by the posting of sexually explicit material. Even more critical than lost civility, such material may get the attention of Yahoo and restrict this list to adult-only, which would constitute a certain danger to the Republic.

In addition, every time the topic of women in NR is brought up it begins a flame war of one sort or another between parties well-known to us all, which is nothing but lost "order and civility". If in the future it becomes evident that the topic can be discussed in a civilized way without people flaming each other then it certainly should be tolerated. Even if someone now were to bring it up again, but clearly in a manner that is not merely intended to accuse or condemn others, then that would be OK; however, the topic, as far as I can remember, has only ever been raised in order to cause mayhem on the list--as was once again the case here.

Finally, this has nothing to do with petty tyranny--I rarely ever intervene in discussions. Perhaps it is my usually hands-off approach which makes these moments all the more notable.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Vedius <vedius@...> wrote:
>
> Salve M. Corneli,
>
> May I ask by what authority you are closing this discussion?
>
> The Constitution explicitly guarantees that all cives have the freedom
> to say what they will, how they will, as long as such speech is not "an
> imminent and clear danger to the Republic". Are you claiming that the
> current discussion rises to that level?
>
> Discussions wandering across topics, repeating conversations and
> arguments from the past, discussing items that are not directly related
> to ancient Rome or modern Nova Roma, are still fair game and part of the
> right of every and any Nova Roman citizen to engage in. People are free
> to "repeat the same old stuff" as many times as they wish, regardless of
> your personal feelings on the matter.
>
> Don't like it? Your computer, I am sure, has a "delete" button on its
> keyboard just the same as mine does.
>
> We have far too many petty tyrants letting some minuscule authority
> going to their heads around here already; the muses list comes to mind
> as a particularly egregious offender. The right of freedom of speech was
> placed in the Constitution for a reason, and just because you or any
> other magistrate finds the discussion not to their particular taste,
> does not give them the authority to override those rights.
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> Pater Patriae
>
> On 11/3/2010 7:33 PM, gualterus_graecus wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > This thread is now closed. It has changed topics more than once and at this point is merely a distraction and contributing nothing on-topic.
> >
> > Also, I am issuing a warning not to raise the tired old bogeyman of how NR treats women. This matter has been raised several times in the past with the same claims being repeated and nothing new or productive being added. If you merely want to repeat the same old stuff, you've been warned.
> >
> > Finally, be MINDFUL of the ML restriction on sexually explicit language. It doesn't matter who said it first and where; if you post it to the ML you're responsible for it.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus
> > Praetorian Quaestor
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77"<lathyrus77@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine<robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> >>> Ave,
> >>>
> >>> No no lol, its from the Mythbusters.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEInbnz5XG0
> >>>
> >>> There it is.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Salve,
> >>
> >> I believe I just posted that.....
> >>
> >>
> >> Vale,
> >>
> >> Anna Bucci
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81577 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Vedius <vedius@...> wrote:
>
The right of freedom of speech was
> placed in the Constitution for a reason, and just because you or any
> other magistrate finds the discussion not to their particular taste,
> does not give them the authority to override those rights.
>

Salve,

I was wondering about this. The other few times I've noticed the moderators closing threads the past few months, I thought "They didn't used to do this when I was a member". In fact, when Graecus first posted that a thread we were discussing was closed(because he was losing the argument), I didn't take him seriously because I was pretty sure praetors(or acting praetors) can't close discussions. I had thought he merely meant he wasn't going to continue to participate in the discussion. Lo and behold he used my continuing the discussion as a "3rd strike" to impose moderation on me.

Then there's the rule(formerly a suggestion) that we must open and close emails with Latin, under the pretense that people will be more thoughtful or cordial when participating in discussions. My posts were denied because I didn't follow the suggestion(which turned into a rule). Even when I complied and used Latin in my posts, if I had criticised the rule, my posts were denied. Apparently you can't criticise the moderation rules when moderated if you're not a citizen.

Anyone think posts are nicer because of Latin? They look the same to me. Only difference it seems now people point out when someone forgets to add Latin.

These developements are yet another reason I will refrain from becoming a member again.

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81578 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "enodia2002" <walkyr@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> I repeat: Livia resigned by disassociating herself from NR. She was removed from the list, NOT banned. Once it was demonstrated that she was indeed still a citizen she was put back on the list.
>

Salve,

Except she didn't resign and your eagerness to boot her is quite telling. She explicitly stated she was still a citizen in her email.

Aren't you the same person who pretended to befriend me on facebook, only to spread lies about my daughter and my fitness as a mother on the Back Alley?

I noticed your apology a while later, but I haven't forgotten. You are your deeds.

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81579 From: Vedius Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORU
Salve,

As the individual who happened to write that particular passage, please
accept my assurance that the "order and civility" clause was never
intended to be an excuse for shutting down conversations that happened
to be repeats of earlier conversations, or that made certain magistrates
uncomfortable. Quite the opposite. It was intended to allow for the
moderation of individuals who were engaged in egregious profanity,
name-calling, calumny, and the like. The puritanical reaction to
anything the least bit racy is, to use a phrase that is bandied about
too often by people who haven't the slightest conception of what it
really means, un-Roman.

The pre-emptive presumption that "if topic X is discussed, it will
inevitably lead to uncivil behavior" is a complete fallacy. The
Constitution does not allow for such "we stopped him before he could
break the law" type behavior, and any edict that supports such should
have been struck down with the utmost vigor by the tribunes at the very
least; its enforcement certainly should be.

I would also say that Yahoogroups setting an email list to "adults only"
hardly constitutes "a certain danger to the Republic". The Republic is
much much more than an email list, and the fact that you seem to equate
the two is, in my humble opinion, much more dangerous to the Republic
than any potential action Yahoogroups could take. More real-world, less
internet!

"Mayhem"? If you think that an argument on an email list is "mayhem",
you don't know the slightest meaning of the word.

vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

On 11/3/2010 10:32 PM, gualterus_graecus wrote:
> Salve,
>
> There is also another sentence in that paragraph in the Constitution (II.B.4): "Such officially sponsored fora may be expected to be reasonably moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility".
>
> To help spell out what the Praetura considers order and civility we have a moderation edict in place which already has been violated on this thread by the posting of sexually explicit material. Even more critical than lost civility, such material may get the attention of Yahoo and restrict this list to adult-only, which would constitute a certain danger to the Republic.
>
> In addition, every time the topic of women in NR is brought up it begins a flame war of one sort or another between parties well-known to us all, which is nothing but lost "order and civility". If in the future it becomes evident that the topic can be discussed in a civilized way without people flaming each other then it certainly should be tolerated. Even if someone now were to bring it up again, but clearly in a manner that is not merely intended to accuse or condemn others, then that would be OK; however, the topic, as far as I can remember, has only ever been raised in order to cause mayhem on the list--as was once again the case here.
>
> Finally, this has nothing to do with petty tyranny--I rarely ever intervene in discussions. Perhaps it is my usually hands-off approach which makes these moments all the more notable.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Vedius<vedius@...> wrote:
>> Salve M. Corneli,
>>
>> May I ask by what authority you are closing this discussion?
>>
>> The Constitution explicitly guarantees that all cives have the freedom
>> to say what they will, how they will, as long as such speech is not "an
>> imminent and clear danger to the Republic". Are you claiming that the
>> current discussion rises to that level?
>>
>> Discussions wandering across topics, repeating conversations and
>> arguments from the past, discussing items that are not directly related
>> to ancient Rome or modern Nova Roma, are still fair game and part of the
>> right of every and any Nova Roman citizen to engage in. People are free
>> to "repeat the same old stuff" as many times as they wish, regardless of
>> your personal feelings on the matter.
>>
>> Don't like it? Your computer, I am sure, has a "delete" button on its
>> keyboard just the same as mine does.
>>
>> We have far too many petty tyrants letting some minuscule authority
>> going to their heads around here already; the muses list comes to mind
>> as a particularly egregious offender. The right of freedom of speech was
>> placed in the Constitution for a reason, and just because you or any
>> other magistrate finds the discussion not to their particular taste,
>> does not give them the authority to override those rights.
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
>> Pater Patriae
>>
>> On 11/3/2010 7:33 PM, gualterus_graecus wrote:
>>> Salvete,
>>>
>>> This thread is now closed. It has changed topics more than once and at this point is merely a distraction and contributing nothing on-topic.
>>>
>>> Also, I am issuing a warning not to raise the tired old bogeyman of how NR treats women. This matter has been raised several times in the past with the same claims being repeated and nothing new or productive being added. If you merely want to repeat the same old stuff, you've been warned.
>>>
>>> Finally, be MINDFUL of the ML restriction on sexually explicit language. It doesn't matter who said it first and where; if you post it to the ML you're responsible for it.
>>>
>>> Valete,
>>>
>>> M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus
>>> Praetorian Quaestor
>>>
>>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77"<lathyrus77@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine<robert.woolwine@> wrote:
>>>>> Ave,
>>>>>
>>>>> No no lol, its from the Mythbusters.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEInbnz5XG0
>>>>>
>>>>> There it is.
>>>>>
>>>> Salve,
>>>>
>>>> I believe I just posted that.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vale,
>>>>
>>>> Anna Bucci
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81580 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@...> wrote:
>
> To help spell out what the Praetura considers order and civility we have a moderation edict in place which already has been violated on this thread by the posting of sexually explicit material. Even more critical than lost civility, such material may get the attention of Yahoo and restrict this list to adult-only, which would constitute a certain danger to the Republic.
>


Salve,

Interesting that you would seek to punish the victim of sexual harrassment because she made public the words of her harrasser, rather than punishing the author of those "forbidden" statements. This tells me that others who may be sexually harrassed by another member of Nova Roma are encouraged to keep it hidden.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81581 From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: The Removal of L Livia from the Concilium Plebis
Q Caecilius Metellus Omnibus salutem dicit.

I, for a variety of reasons, refrained from commenting on this, but it
seems there may be no end to things in sight, so I hope that I can
help bring a swifter end to things in shedding a bit of light on what
seems to have happened.

When, on the Kalends of November, L Livia posted a statement
dissociating herself from a variety of elements of Nova Roma, both
from her words posted here and having spoken with her about it, V
Rutilia understood that statement to be a resignation of citizenship.
That is not entirely unreasonable: there were, and are, differing
interpretations of what L Livia meant, yet given what has been said
over the past two days, it is sufficiently clear that she did not
resign her citizenship. Acting on the understanding that L Livia had
resigned, V Rutilia unsubscribed L Livia from the mailing list for the
concilium plebis. Although removed, though I cannot verify for
myself, the word of V Rutilia is sufficient for me to accept that she
was not banned from said mailing list, but only removed.

Having been removed from said list, L Livia was free to resubscribe to
that mailing list at any time had she so wished once she returned to
citizenship. It was then understood that L Livia had not resigned,
for which reason a number of citizens voiced their complaints about
her removal (seemingly unaware of what V Rutilia had understood to be
the case). Again, though, many thought L Livia had been banned,
equally unaware that she had simply been removed, and that difference
is more than just semantic, but has led to the various cries left and
right over what can only be surmised as a grave misunderstanding on no
shortage of sides.

Would it be wrong to unilaterally remove a citizen from a mailing list
in which they are entitled to participate? I would agree that it is,
surely. But the case here was one of a misunderstanding: it was the
understanding of V Rutilia that L Livia had resigned her citizenship,
and was therefore no longer entitled to participate in the happenings
of that forum. That L Livia resigned has been demonstrated not to
have been the case, and she remained free to resubscribe at her
leisure.

I have not communicated with L Livia, and so I can not say anything
for her view of things, as they were happening or as they stand
presently; having spoken with V Rutilia, however, I understand her
actions and beliefs at the time things were happening. I hope L Livia
can understand the viewpoint of V Rutilia as events were happening;
equally, I know V Rutilia understands how she would feel were things
reversed.

Ut ualeatis, curate.

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81582 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Ave,

The email had nothing to do with the ML; it was a private email and that is outside the scope of duties of list moderators. Moreover, as a non-civis she has no rights of redress within NR--she should've pursued due process over this before she resigned. Finally, if she had wanted to bring attention to the email, she could have sent copies to magistrates who could've vouched for its vulgarity, and on the ML she could have appropriately paraphrased so as not to break the rules. But she didn't, so end of story.

Vale,


Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@> wrote:
> >
> > To help spell out what the Praetura considers order and civility we have a moderation edict in place which already has been violated on this thread by the posting of sexually explicit material. Even more critical than lost civility, such material may get the attention of Yahoo and restrict this list to adult-only, which would constitute a certain danger to the Republic.
> >
>
>
> Salve,
>
> Interesting that you would seek to punish the victim of sexual harrassment because she made public the words of her harrasser, rather than punishing the author of those "forbidden" statements. This tells me that others who may be sexually harrassed by another member of Nova Roma are encouraged to keep it hidden.
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81583 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: The Removal of L Livia from the Concilium Plebis
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Quintus Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@...> wrote:
>
> Q Caecilius Metellus Omnibus salutem dicit.
>


Salve,

In my opinion, V Rutilia needs to apologize for her mistake and for her curt remarks that followed: "You resigned. I removed you. End of story."


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81584 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> The email had nothing to do with the ML; it was a private email and that is outside the scope of duties of list moderators. Moreover, as a non-civis she has no rights of redress within NR--she should've pursued due process over this before she resigned. Finally, if she had wanted to bring attention to the email, she could have sent copies to magistrates who could've vouched for its vulgarity, and on the ML she could have appropriately paraphrased so as not to break the rules. But she didn't, so end of story.
>

Salve,

Your statements have no bearing on what I said. It doesn't matter if the email had nothing to do with the main list. It doesn't matter if she's not a citizen anymore. It doesn't matter that she chose now to reveal the harrassment rather then when she was a citizen. None of that matters one iota.

What matters, and what you fail to grasp, is that a SENATOR and a member of the BOARD of DIRECTORS in your organization has made SEXUAL statements to harrass someone. This would seem to do more harm to Nova Roma, I would think, than controversial topics on one of the mailing lists.

But, you know what, I'm not a citizen so what I say doesn't matter here of course. But I'd like all of you Nova Romans to ask yourselves some questions:

-Are Senators held to a standard of behaviour?

-Do you want the actions of this man to reflect on your organization?

-Does anyone care what this man has done?


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81585 From: deciusiunius Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Vedius <vedius@...> wrote:
>
> Salve M. Corneli,

Salve Vedi,


> May I ask by what authority you are closing this discussion?


He has absolutely no authority to close off discussion. The documents he cites do not help his position at all.

The whole "off topic" issue is a bogeyman people use when they want wish to silence discussions they don't like for personal reasons, not whether such a position is good or bad for the republic.

I have no vested interest in the discussion as I have not participated in it and likely won't. It's just that I too get irritated when someone attempts to misuse "authority" over a non-issue.

Other than that I will just add, "you're right."


Vale,

Palladius




> The Constitution explicitly guarantees that all cives have the freedom
> to say what they will, how they will, as long as such speech is not "an
> imminent and clear danger to the Republic". Are you claiming that the
> current discussion rises to that level?
>
> Discussions wandering across topics, repeating conversations and
> arguments from the past, discussing items that are not directly related
> to ancient Rome or modern Nova Roma, are still fair game and part of the
> right of every and any Nova Roman citizen to engage in. People are free
> to "repeat the same old stuff" as many times as they wish, regardless of
> your personal feelings on the matter.
>
> Don't like it? Your computer, I am sure, has a "delete" button on its
> keyboard just the same as mine does.
>
> We have far too many petty tyrants letting some minuscule authority
> going to their heads around here already; the muses list comes to mind
> as a particularly egregious offender. The right of freedom of speech was
> placed in the Constitution for a reason, and just because you or any
> other magistrate finds the discussion not to their particular taste,
> does not give them the authority to override those rights.
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> Pater Patriae
>
> On 11/3/2010 7:33 PM, gualterus_graecus wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > This thread is now closed. It has changed topics more than once and at this point is merely a distraction and contributing nothing on-topic.
> >
> > Also, I am issuing a warning not to raise the tired old bogeyman of how NR treats women. This matter has been raised several times in the past with the same claims being repeated and nothing new or productive being added. If you merely want to repeat the same old stuff, you've been warned.
> >
> > Finally, be MINDFUL of the ML restriction on sexually explicit language. It doesn't matter who said it first and where; if you post it to the ML you're responsible for it.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus
> > Praetorian Quaestor
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77"<lathyrus77@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine<robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> >>> Ave,
> >>>
> >>> No no lol, its from the Mythbusters.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEInbnz5XG0
> >>>
> >>> There it is.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Salve,
> >>
> >> I believe I just posted that.....
> >>
> >>
> >> Vale,
> >>
> >> Anna Bucci
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81586 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Ave,

And, once again, what you fail to grasp is that his statement was not on the ML so it has nothing to do with the moderators. The entire clause about danger to the Republic concerns "the right to participate in all public fora and discussions". This was not public but private, so it is a matter for the Senate/Board of Directors to hash out.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@> wrote:
> >
> > Ave,
> >
> > The email had nothing to do with the ML; it was a private email and that is outside the scope of duties of list moderators. Moreover, as a non-civis she has no rights of redress within NR--she should've pursued due process over this before she resigned. Finally, if she had wanted to bring attention to the email, she could have sent copies to magistrates who could've vouched for its vulgarity, and on the ML she could have appropriately paraphrased so as not to break the rules. But she didn't, so end of story.
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> Your statements have no bearing on what I said. It doesn't matter if the email had nothing to do with the main list. It doesn't matter if she's not a citizen anymore. It doesn't matter that she chose now to reveal the harrassment rather then when she was a citizen. None of that matters one iota.
>
> What matters, and what you fail to grasp, is that a SENATOR and a member of the BOARD of DIRECTORS in your organization has made SEXUAL statements to harrass someone. This would seem to do more harm to Nova Roma, I would think, than controversial topics on one of the mailing lists.
>
> But, you know what, I'm not a citizen so what I say doesn't matter here of course. But I'd like all of you Nova Romans to ask yourselves some questions:
>
> -Are Senators held to a standard of behaviour?
>
> -Do you want the actions of this man to reflect on your organization?
>
> -Does anyone care what this man has done?
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81587 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORU
Ave,

The problem that Anna is unwilling to grasp is that Nova Roma does NOT have
a code of conduct for senators.

If it did, where was this code of conduct when Piscinus threated to arrest
Cassius and Cassia?
Where was this code of conduct when Piscinus tried to extort Cato and
myself?
Where was this code of conduct when Piscinus slandered and libelled me over
and over in venues both within and outside of Nova Roma?
Where was this code of conduct when Modianus illegally tossed me out of the
Board of Directors?
Where was this code of conduct when ex citizen Hortensia fermented civil
disorder and civil war by trying to banish the "athiests"?

So, when Nova Roma decides to actually implement a code of conduct - I would
be the first to comply with it. Unlike others that were named above.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 8:38 PM, gualterus_graecus <waltms1@...> wrote:

>
>
> Ave,
>
> And, once again, what you fail to grasp is that his statement was not on
> the ML so it has nothing to do with the moderators. The entire clause about
> danger to the Republic concerns "the right to participate in all public fora
> and discussions". This was not public but private, so it is a matter for the
> Senate/Board of Directors to hash out.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gualterus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ave,
> > >
> > > The email had nothing to do with the ML; it was a private email and
> that is outside the scope of duties of list moderators. Moreover, as a
> non-civis she has no rights of redress within NR--she should've pursued due
> process over this before she resigned. Finally, if she had wanted to bring
> attention to the email, she could have sent copies to magistrates who
> could've vouched for its vulgarity, and on the ML she could have
> appropriately paraphrased so as not to break the rules. But she didn't, so
> end of story.
> > >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > Your statements have no bearing on what I said. It doesn't matter if the
> email had nothing to do with the main list. It doesn't matter if she's not a
> citizen anymore. It doesn't matter that she chose now to reveal the
> harrassment rather then when she was a citizen. None of that matters one
> iota.
> >
> > What matters, and what you fail to grasp, is that a SENATOR and a member
> of the BOARD of DIRECTORS in your organization has made SEXUAL statements to
> harrass someone. This would seem to do more harm to Nova Roma, I would
> think, than controversial topics on one of the mailing lists.
> >
> > But, you know what, I'm not a citizen so what I say doesn't matter here
> of course. But I'd like all of you Nova Romans to ask yourselves some
> questions:
> >
> > -Are Senators held to a standard of behaviour?
> >
> > -Do you want the actions of this man to reflect on your organization?
> >
> > -Does anyone care what this man has done?
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Anna Bucci
> >
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81588 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Re: The Removal of L Livia from the Concilium Plebis
Ave!

No, she has no reason to! Piscinus should apologize to those he illegally
removed.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 8:09 PM, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Quintus
> Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@...> wrote:
> >
> > Q Caecilius Metellus Omnibus salutem dicit.
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> In my opinion, V Rutilia needs to apologize for her mistake and for her
> curt remarks that followed: "You resigned. I removed you. End of story."
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81589 From: Marcus Prometheus Date: 2010-11-03
Subject: Patriarchate is inheriting the world (as it already did at the fall
*

Marcus Prometheus omnibus SPD

To Anna Bucci
I checked and you are correct, next time I'll send only the link and
excerpts.


To Livia Plauta
I hope and wish you are substantially correct, i.e. quantitatively correct
(but unfortunately I am mostly pessimistic, also considering that this
phenomenon will come toghether with may other phenomena pushing towards an
involution if not a generalized collapse of civilization like the peak of
most of natural resources, mass migration/infiltration/invasion of people
who carries with them antagonist religious extremism and conseguent clash
of civilizations modern secularist vs barbarian)

Bene Valete
*


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81590 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> And, once again, what you fail to grasp is that his statement was not on the ML so it has nothing to do with the moderators. The entire clause about danger to the Republic concerns "the right to participate in all public fora and discussions". This was not public but private, so it is a matter for the Senate/Board of Directors to hash out.
>


Salve,

I'm not saying as a moderator you should moderate him for sexually harrassing someone. I'm saying the fact that he's your senator and he freely admits to sexually harrassing someone should concern you more than what he said was posted to the main list.


Grasp it.

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81591 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: The Removal of L Livia from the Concilium Plebis
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave!
>
> No, she has no reason to! Piscinus should apologize to those he illegally
> removed.
>

Salve,

Of course she has reason to. When you make a mistake, you own up to it and aplogize. It's called being responsible for your actions.

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81592 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> The problem that Anna is unwilling to grasp is that Nova Roma does NOT have
> a code of conduct for senators.
>
>


Salve,


If there is no code of conduct for senators, then why was Fabius Maximus punished for lying about your health?

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81593 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Salve Anna;

I'd posted in response to Valerianus who denied that women were sexually harassed in Nova Roma.

They are/were, a number of us officers, and by a member of the Board of Directors of Nova Roma Inc. This is really unacceptable. The lack of outrage also tells you about NR's culture.

vale
M. Hortensia Maior

> >
> > And, once again, what you fail to grasp is that his statement was not on the ML so it has nothing to do with the moderators. The entire clause about danger to the Republic concerns "the right to participate in all public fora and discussions". This was not public but private, so it is a matter for the Senate/Board of Directors to hash out.
> >
>
>
> Salve,
>
> I'm not saying as a moderator you should moderate him for sexually harrassing someone. I'm saying the fact that he's your senator and he freely admits to sexually harrassing someone should concern you more than what he said was posted to the main list.
>
>
> Grasp it.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81594 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORU
Ave,

There was the lack of outrage when Piscinus removed individuals from the CP
list
There was a lack of outrage when Piscinus threatened to ARREST Cassius and
Cassia
There was the lack of outrage when Modianus tossed me from the Senate.

So, what makes this WORSE than the extortion attempt?

What makes one issue worse than the plethora of other issues that NR has
failed to address?

NR should have addressed a code of conduct back when Piscinus threatened to
arrest Cassius and Cassia - OVER TWO YEARS AGO. But the Senate failed to do
so. The environment because the individuals governed NR, for the past 3
years never addressed it.

Vale,

Sulla



On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:20 PM, rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve Anna;
>
> I'd posted in response to Valerianus who denied that women were sexually
> harassed in Nova Roma.
>
> They are/were, a number of us officers, and by a member of the Board of
> Directors of Nova Roma Inc. This is really unacceptable. The lack of outrage
> also tells you about NR's culture.
>
> vale
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
> > >
> > > And, once again, what you fail to grasp is that his statement was not
> on the ML so it has nothing to do with the moderators. The entire clause
> about danger to the Republic concerns "the right to participate in all
> public fora and discussions". This was not public but private, so it is a
> matter for the Senate/Board of Directors to hash out.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > I'm not saying as a moderator you should moderate him for sexually
> harrassing someone. I'm saying the fact that he's your senator and he freely
> admits to sexually harrassing someone should concern you more than what he
> said was posted to the main list.
> >
> >
> > Grasp it.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Anna Bucci
> >
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81595 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> There was the lack of outrage when Piscinus removed individuals from the CP
> list
> There was a lack of outrage when Piscinus threatened to ARREST Cassius and
> Cassia
> There was the lack of outrage when Modianus tossed me from the Senate.
>

Salve,

Are you serious? There was so much outrage for all those things that it keeps getting brought up over and over and over again....like right now.

If by "lack of outrage" you really mean "me and my buddies were outraged by this but not everyone in Nova Roma was" then I would say that's correct.


> So, what makes this WORSE than the extortion attempt?
>

It doesn't make it worse than your extortion attempt. In fact, I'd say your extortion to get put on the Board of Director of Nova Roma is a lot more egregious than your sexual harrassment of others.


> What makes one issue worse than the plethora of other issues that NR has
> failed to address?
>

It makes it look like Nova Roma doesn't care about sexual harrassment. Your actions as a senator reflects upon your organization.



> NR should have addressed a code of conduct back when Piscinus threatened to
> arrest Cassius and Cassia - OVER TWO YEARS AGO. But the Senate failed to do
> so.

Maybe because threatening to have someone arrested isn't really relevent. It's not a crime to threaten someone with arrest; it is a crime, as well as against TOS for Yahoo!, to sexually harrass others.


The environment because the individuals governed NR, for the past 3
> years never addressed it.
>

You're a senator, why haven't you addressed it?


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81596 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORU
Ave!

And Piscinus was never nota'd at all - for ALL OF HIS ACTIONS. Neither was
Modianus - and he nearly brought a lawsuit that would have probably
destroyed NR.

What part of "There is no code of conduct for Senators" do you not
understand?

Come back to me when Piscinus and Modianus get notaed for their violations
of ethical conduct. Ok? Until you are just wasting our time.

Vale,

Sulla


On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:19 PM, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ave,
> >
> > The problem that Anna is unwilling to grasp is that Nova Roma does NOT
> have
> > a code of conduct for senators.
> >
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> If there is no code of conduct for senators, then why was Fabius Maximus
> punished for lying about your health?
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81597 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: The Removal of L Livia from the Concilium Plebis
Ave,

So where is Piscinus's apology? Oh right he is your buddy. Nevermind.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:11 PM, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ave!
> >
> > No, she has no reason to! Piscinus should apologize to those he illegally
> > removed.
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> Of course she has reason to. When you make a mistake, you own up to it and
> aplogize. It's called being responsible for your actions.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81598 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> What part of "There is no code of conduct for Senators" do you not
> understand?
>

Salve,

I repeat: if there's not code of conduct for senators why was Fabius Maximus punished for lying about your health?

Is it your reasoning that because people you think should be punished(but weren't) means that there's not code of conduct for senators despite the fact that you, and Fabius Maximus, have each had a nota for your conduct?

By your logic that means there are no laws in the Uinited States because not all cirminals are punished.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81599 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORU
Ave!



> The environment because the individuals governed NR, for the past 3
> > years never addressed it.
> >
>
> You're a senator, why haven't you addressed it?
>

Actually, I have! But, you are not a citizen anymore, nor are you a
senator, so you wouldn't know that. That is the consequence of your
resignation from NR.

Vale,

Sulla


>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81600 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORU
Ave,

You know what Anna, I have said all I have said on this topic. I have
addressed all of the relevant points. I am satisfied with my explanations.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:39 PM, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >
> > What part of "There is no code of conduct for Senators" do you not
> > understand?
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> I repeat: if there's not code of conduct for senators why was Fabius
> Maximus punished for lying about your health?
>
> Is it your reasoning that because people you think should be punished(but
> weren't) means that there's not code of conduct for senators despite the
> fact that you, and Fabius Maximus, have each had a nota for your conduct?
>
> By your logic that means there are no laws in the Uinited States because
> not all cirminals are punished.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81601 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: The Removal of L Livia from the Concilium Plebis
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> So where is Piscinus's apology? Oh right he is your buddy. Nevermind.
>


Salve,

I'm actually not very acquainted with Piscinus, I've never even spoken to him outside of the ML. Your characterization of my relationship(or lack thereof) with Piscinus is false, as well as irrelevent to the matter of V Rutilia's conduct and actions.

I know you will continue to misdirect, and bring up your enemies' actions in response to your and V Rutilia's bad behaviour, but make no mistake that I will continue to bring it back to focus.

V Rutilia made a mistake. That mistake was corrected, but I believe she still owes an apology to Livia; not only for making the mistake, but for responding in a curt manner when the mistake was first pointed out to her.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81602 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave!
>
>
>
> > The environment because the individuals governed NR, for the past 3
> > > years never addressed it.
> > >
> >
> > You're a senator, why haven't you addressed it?
> >
>
> Actually, I have!


Salve,

So you admit to lying that the issue was never addressed?


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81603 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> You know what Anna, I have said all I have said on this topic. I have
> addressed all of the relevant points. I am satisfied with my explanations.
>


Salve,

Translation: My position is weak and I have nothing to back it up.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81604 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
C. Petronius omnibus s.p.d.,

> I'd posted in response to Valerianus who denied that women were sexually harassed in Nova Roma.

What kind of sexually harassment do you mean? How can be women sexually harassed in Nova Roma? Can you give us evidences?

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Pridie Nonas Novembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81605 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius omnibus s.p.d.,
>
> > I'd posted in response to Valerianus who denied that women were sexually harassed in Nova Roma.
>
> What kind of sexually harassment do you mean? How can be women sexually harassed in Nova Roma? Can you give us evidences?
>


Salve,

She gave the evidence already. She copied and pasted the email Senator Sulla sent her where he mentions sexual male reproductive fluid. The moderator Gaulterus Graecus is prohibiting it from being posted. You'll have to check the archive(if it hasn't been deleted).


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81606 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Comitia Curita List?
Ave!

Does anyone know what happened to the Comitia Curiata list? As a Lictor and
was an active member of that list It is no longer listed in my yahoogroups.
Is this another list that has been purged by Piscinus?

Vale,

Sulla


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81607 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
C. Petronius omnibus s.p.d.,

> She gave the evidence already. She copied and pasted the email Senator Sulla sent her where he mentions sexual male reproductive fluid.

So, it was a problem between her and senator Sulla. It was not sexual harassment towards women in Nova Roma.

For your information, I had sent to her a private joke about a so-called wave of confarreatio weddings in New York city. She publicly posted in the CP my mail and claimed she was sexually harassed! And called me a satyr...

I think, in fact, that she has sexual problems and has her proper meanings of sexual harassment towards women (id est her).

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Pridie Nonas Novembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81608 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius omnibus s.p.d.,
>
> > She gave the evidence already. She copied and pasted the email Senator Sulla sent her where he mentions sexual male reproductive fluid.
>
> So, it was a problem between her and senator Sulla. It was not sexual harassment towards women in Nova Roma.
>

Salve,

Only if you believe a senator's actions do not reflect on Nova Roma, and you don't consider Maior to have been a female in Nova Roma.


> For your information, I had sent to her a private joke about a so-called wave of confarreatio weddings in New York city. She publicly posted in the CP my mail and claimed she was sexually harassed! And called me a satyr...
>

So you've been harrassing her as well?


> I think, in fact, that she has sexual problems and has her proper meanings of sexual harassment towards women (id est her).
>


Claiming she has "sexual problems" is also sexual harrassment.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81609 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
Avete Dexter omnibusque;
go and send this note to a female officemate in France and see what happens to you


- > From: Robert Woolwine <l_cornelius_sulla@...>
> > Subject: Re: Re Moderation
> > To: "" <rory12001@...>
> > Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 10:07 PM
> > Ah so did you sw**llow his c*m when
> > you bl*w him
>

Mesallina had obscene notes from Sulla too & I believe Equestria Laeca. It's a grave matter, one Mesallina and I brought up in the CP. Now I've brought it up here so the cives can see what is going on and why so many devotees of the gods and Romanitas have left.

it's not funny, it's a sick situation.
vale
Maior




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius omnibus s.p.d.,
>
> > She gave the evidence already. She copied and pasted the email Senator Sulla sent her where he mentions sexual male reproductive fluid.
>
> So, it was a problem between her and senator Sulla. It was not sexual harassment towards women in Nova Roma.
>
> For your information, I had sent to her a private joke about a so-called wave of confarreatio weddings in New York city. She publicly posted in the CP my mail and claimed she was sexually harassed! And called me a satyr...
>
> I think, in fact, that she has sexual problems and has her proper meanings of sexual harassment towards women (id est her).
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> Pridie Nonas Novembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81610 From: Charlie Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] Comitia Curita List?
Salve,

I'm glad you brought this up. As a Lictor I was subscribed to both lists and
just realized I couldn't see the NRCC list in my groups list. So, I went to
the NRCC list to see what was up. I thought maybe I had unsubbed and forgot
about it. So, I clicked "Join this List" and I found out I have been
"BANNED" from the group!!!!!!! I have NO idea why. WHY WAS I BANNED FROM THE
NRCOMITIACURIATA LIST!!! I did NOT receive any notification of the action of
the banning. AND WHO DID IT? And, yes I'm shouting because I'm MAD.

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus


On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...>wrote:

>
>
> Ave!
>
> Does anyone know what happened to the Comitia Curiata list? As a Lictor
> and was an active member of that list It is no longer listed in my
> yahoogroups. Is this another list that has been purged by Piscinus?
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81611 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: [BackAlley] Comitia Curita List?
Ave,

I was subscribed to one of the lists. But it did not show up on my
Yahoogroups. I wonder if it is safe to assume.....

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Charlie <byzandroid@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve,
>
> I'm glad you brought this up. As a Lictor I was subscribed to both lists
> and
>
> just realized I couldn't see the NRCC list in my groups list. So, I went to
> the NRCC list to see what was up. I thought maybe I had unsubbed and forgot
>
> about it. So, I clicked "Join this List" and I found out I have been
> "BANNED" from the group!!!!!!! I have NO idea why. WHY WAS I BANNED FROM
> THE
> NRCOMITIACURIATA LIST!!! I did NOT receive any notification of the action
> of
> the banning. AND WHO DID IT? And, yes I'm shouting because I'm MAD.
>
> Vale,
> Quintus Servilius Priscus
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Robert Woolwine
> <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ave!
> >
> > Does anyone know what happened to the Comitia Curiata list? As a Lictor
> > and was an active member of that list It is no longer listed in my
> > yahoogroups. Is this another list that has been purged by Piscinus?
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81612 From: mcorvvs Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Donation tool for Sodalitas Pro DIIS is working! - Gratias Agricloae
Now Sodalitas ProDIIS has its donation tool working. M. Lucretius Agricola has created it without being even member of this Sodalitas! Thanks a lot Agricola, amice!
Please feel free to use the gadget to help our noble and sacred cause:
http://prodiis.org/c/pay/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81613 From: Walter Shandruk Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Notice of Moderation
Salvete,
While the original email sent to M. Hortensia Maior (hereafter MHM) was of a vile nature, it was in the context of a private exchange and outside the purview of the Praetorian team. In light of:
(a) Post #81537, wherein MHM  pasted an email of a sexually vulgar nature, which is in direct violation of moderation edict article 9 which states: "any reference or discussion to pornographic material(s), or material(s) of a sexual nature that is not strictly within the context of a historical discussion, for example supported by historical or scholars' quotations, unless the material is a matter of common knowledge, at least in the country where the sender lives";
(b) Post #81609, which repeated the above offending post despite my warning in #81572;
(c) That such sexually explicit material puts the ML at risk of Yahoo scrutiny to make the list adult-only;
(d) That the claimed private harassment could have been paraphrased or alluded to in a manner that did not violate the moderation edict, but instead was not, with the result of creating yet another disruption on the ML;
(e) That numerous previous infractions on the ML had already been committed in the past by MHM, suggesting that she is unwilling to follow the rules;
(f) That she is in fact merely a peregrina and therefore should be all the more mindful about her public behavior as a guest on the ML;
MHM is immediately being put on moderation for one month.
Valete,
M. Cornelius Gualterus GraecusPraetorian Quaestor




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81614 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Walter Shandruk <waltms1@...> wrote:
>


Salve,


I guess the "Freedom of Speech" thread is irrelevent. by the way, people also continued to reply to the thread you closed, so am I right in assuming more will be moderated? Or maybe just Maior because she's special.


Vale,


Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81615 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
Ave,

Read the post. Maior violated the moderation edict twice by reposting that email despite an explicit warning and she gets no additional or mitigating consideration since she is not a civis.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Walter Shandruk <waltms1@> wrote:
> >
>
>
> Salve,
>
>
> I guess the "Freedom of Speech" thread is irrelevent. by the way, people also continued to reply to the thread you closed, so am I right in assuming more will be moderated? Or maybe just Maior because she's special.
>
>
> Vale,
>
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81616 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> Read the post. Maior violated the moderation edict twice by reposting that email despite an explicit warning and she gets no additional or mitigating consideration since she is not a civis.
>


Salve,

I've already read the post, there's no need for me to read it again. Reading again won't change anything and doesn't help you with your argument.

The moderation edict doesn't seem to be constitutional, regardless of whether or not the edict is being imposed on a non-citizen. What maior quoted was also censored by replacing letters with an asterix. Do you think she was attempting to be lewd or lacivious? Do you think she was trying to inject the Main List with some porn?

Or was she answering dexter's question about her sexual harrassment evidence? It looks to me that you are punishing the victim of Sulla's crime. This tells me that women who are harrassed by the BA faction are silenced by the BA faction.

It looks like you are abusing your power...again.

Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81617 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
Ave,

What edict? I didn't issue an edict. This is normal moderation business. If you think asterisks eliminate the sexual nature of the post then you're just spewing nonsense. I don't care what she was answering; her posting violated the moderation edict a second time. She could have privately emailed the evidence to Dexter.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@> wrote:
> >
> > Ave,
> >
> > Read the post. Maior violated the moderation edict twice by reposting that email despite an explicit warning and she gets no additional or mitigating consideration since she is not a civis.
> >
>
>
> Salve,
>
> I've already read the post, there's no need for me to read it again. Reading again won't change anything and doesn't help you with your argument.
>
> The moderation edict doesn't seem to be constitutional, regardless of whether or not the edict is being imposed on a non-citizen. What maior quoted was also censored by replacing letters with an asterix. Do you think she was attempting to be lewd or lacivious? Do you think she was trying to inject the Main List with some porn?
>
> Or was she answering dexter's question about her sexual harrassment evidence? It looks to me that you are punishing the victim of Sulla's crime. This tells me that women who are harrassed by the BA faction are silenced by the BA faction.
>
> It looks like you are abusing your power...again.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81618 From: rory12001 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
Salve;
I'm special all right. And I've written to some senators that Sulla must be thrown off the Board. He always threatens to sue,but in this case the board has grounds & evidence. This kind of disgusting behavior cannot and must not be tolerated in any organization.

And notice Dexter trying to blame the victim. Just the kind of member
an organization wants.
optime vale
Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Walter Shandruk <waltms1@> wrote:
> >
>
>
> Salve,
>
>
> I guess the "Freedom of Speech" thread is irrelevent. by the way, people also continued to reply to the thread you closed, so am I right in assuming more will be moderated? Or maybe just Maior because she's special.
>
>
> Vale,
>
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81619 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> What edict? I didn't issue an edict. This is normal moderation business. If you think asterisks eliminate the sexual nature of the post then you're just spewing nonsense. I don't care what she was answering; her posting violated the moderation edict a second time. She could have privately emailed the evidence to Dexter.
>


Salve,

This "normal moderation business" most likely would never occur on other mailing lists and forums. In fact, on other mailings lists or forums, the "Powers that be" would more than likely boot the offender from their group instead of punishing the victim when she spoke out about it.

but since he's your idol, you'll try to sweep it under the rug and silence the victim for a month instead.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81620 From: gualterus_graecus Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
Ave,

"Idol"? You're clearly incapable of keeping track of the facts. In case it makes any difference, I will summarize things for you:

(1) What Sulla said has nothing to do with the moderators of the ML since it was off the ML;
(2) Maior violated the moderation edict twice, despite a warning;

Therefore,

Maior is the offender and given her history and peregrina status should know better. While she may be a victim outside NR, she is the offender on the ML.

Vale,

Gualterus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@> wrote:
> >
> > Ave,
> >
> > What edict? I didn't issue an edict. This is normal moderation business. If you think asterisks eliminate the sexual nature of the post then you're just spewing nonsense. I don't care what she was answering; her posting violated the moderation edict a second time. She could have privately emailed the evidence to Dexter.
> >
>
>
> Salve,
>
> This "normal moderation business" most likely would never occur on other mailing lists and forums. In fact, on other mailings lists or forums, the "Powers that be" would more than likely boot the offender from their group instead of punishing the victim when she spoke out about it.
>
> but since he's your idol, you'll try to sweep it under the rug and silence the victim for a month instead.
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81621 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: Notice of Moderation
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gualterus_graecus" <waltms1@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> "Idol"? You're clearly incapable of keeping track of the facts. In case it makes any difference, I will summarize things for you:
>
> (1) What Sulla said has nothing to do with the moderators of the ML since it was off the ML;
> (2) Maior violated the moderation edict twice, despite a warning;
>
> Therefore,
>
> Maior is the offender and given her history and peregrina status should know better. While she may be a victim outside NR, she is the offender on the ML.
>


Salve,


This is what happens when you drink the koolaid guys.

"Sulla sexually harrassed someone? Who cares? The victim of sexual harrassment spoke out about it on the Main List? Moderate her!"


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81622 From: M. Valerius Chlorus Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
By Jove, Anna, you are really pathetic.
That joke a harassment??

Aren't you a bit over sensitive?

And "I think" indicates an opinion and not a claim.

M.Valerius Chlorus

Decurio Princeps
Sodalitas Militarium


On 04/11/10 06:44, lathyrus77 wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
> >
> > C. Petronius omnibus s.p.d.,
> >
> > > She gave the evidence already. She copied and pasted the email
> Senator Sulla sent her where he mentions sexual male reproductive fluid.
> >
> > So, it was a problem between her and senator Sulla. It was not
> sexual harassment towards women in Nova Roma.
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> Only if you believe a senator's actions do not reflect on Nova Roma,
> and you don't consider Maior to have been a female in Nova Roma.
>
> > For your information, I had sent to her a private joke about a
> so-called wave of confarreatio weddings in New York city. She publicly
> posted in the CP my mail and claimed she was sexually harassed! And
> called me a satyr...
> >
>
> So you've been harrassing her as well?
>
> > I think, in fact, that she has sexual problems and has her proper
> meanings of sexual harassment towards women (id est her).
> >
>
> Claiming she has "sexual problems" is also sexual harrassment.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81623 From: lathyrus77 Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Re: To all sexually harassed
Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Valerius Chlorus" <valerius_chlorus@...> wrote:
>
> By Jove, Anna, you are really pathetic.


By Jove, an ad hominem attack means you win the argument!


> That joke a harassment??
>

Yep. Apparently you've never taken a sexual harrassment course.


> Aren't you a bit over sensitive?
>

Aren't you a bit dismissive?

> And "I think" indicates an opinion and not a claim.
>


It indicates both.


Vale,

Anna Bucci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 81624 From: Cato Date: 2010-11-04
Subject: Freedom of Speech (was Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TO ALL CULTORES DEORUM)
Cato Vedio Germanico omnibus in foro SPD

With all respect, Vedius Germanicus, what you "intended" to mean when writing the Constitution has no relevance whatsoever; what you *wrote* does. You do not - even with your title of "Pater Patriae" and even (and this is crucial) as the author of the document in question - have the authority to interpret the Constitution.

You *do* have the right to provocatio if you feel that Graecus, as a magistrate, closing this particular thread has caused you personal harm.

Now before you flame me remember, please, that for *years* I have been the loudest voice in this Forum regarding the freedom of citizens to speak as they see fit - to the point where as praetor I even saw no reason to issue an edictum de sermone at all.

Vale et valete,

Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Vedius <vedius@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> As the individual who happened to write that particular passage, please
> accept my assurance that the "order and civility" clause was never
> intended to be an excuse for shutting down conversations that happened
> to be repeats of earlier conversations, or that made certain magistrates
> uncomfortable. Quite the opposite. It was intended to allow for the
> moderation of individuals who were engaged in egregious profanity,
> name-calling, calumny, and the like. The puritanical reaction to
> anything the least bit racy is, to use a phrase that is bandied about
> too often by people who haven't the slightest conception of what it
> really means, un-Roman.
>
> The pre-emptive presumption that "if topic X is discussed, it will
> inevitably lead to uncivil behavior" is a complete fallacy. The
> Constitution does not allow for such "we stopped him before he could
> break the law" type behavior, and any edict that supports such should
> have been struck down with the utmost vigor by the tribunes at the very
> least; its enforcement certainly should be.
>
> I would also say that Yahoogroups setting an email list to "adults only"
> hardly constitutes "a certain danger to the Republic". The Republic is
> much much more than an email list, and the fact that you seem to equate
> the two is, in my humble opinion, much more dangerous to the Republic
> than any potential action Yahoogroups could take. More real-world, less
> internet!
>
> "Mayhem"? If you think that an argument on an email list is "mayhem",
> you don't know the slightest meaning of the word.
>
> vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> Pater Patriae
>
> On 11/3/2010 10:32 PM, gualterus_graecus wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > There is also another sentence in that paragraph in the Constitution (II.B.4): "Such officially sponsored fora may be expected to be reasonably moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility".
> >
> > To help spell out what the Praetura considers order and civility we have a moderation edict in place which already has been violated on this thread by the posting of sexually explicit material. Even more critical than lost civility, such material may get the attention of Yahoo and restrict this list to adult-only, which would constitute a certain danger to the Republic.
> >
> > In addition, every time the topic of women in NR is brought up it begins a flame war of one sort or another between parties well-known to us all, which is nothing but lost "order and civility". If in the future it becomes evident that the topic can be discussed in a civilized way without people flaming each other then it certainly should be tolerated. Even if someone now were to bring it up again, but clearly in a manner that is not merely intended to accuse or condemn others, then that would be OK; however, the topic, as far as I can remember, has only ever been raised in order to cause mayhem on the list--as was once again the case here.
> >
> > Finally, this has nothing to do with petty tyranny--I rarely ever intervene in discussions. Perhaps it is my usually hands-off approach which makes these moments all the more notable.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Gualterus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Vedius<vedius@> wrote:
> >> Salve M. Corneli,
> >>
> >> May I ask by what authority you are closing this discussion?
> >>
> >> The Constitution explicitly guarantees that all cives have the freedom
> >> to say what they will, how they will, as long as such speech is not "an
> >> imminent and clear danger to the Republic". Are you claiming that the
> >> current discussion rises to that level?
> >>
> >> Discussions wandering across topics, repeating conversations and
> >> arguments from the past, discussing items that are not directly related
> >> to ancient Rome or modern Nova Roma, are still fair game and part of the
> >> right of every and any Nova Roman citizen to engage in. People are free
> >> to "repeat the same old stuff" as many times as they wish, regardless of
> >> your personal feelings on the matter.
> >>
> >> Don't like it? Your computer, I am sure, has a "delete" button on its
> >> keyboard just the same as mine does.
> >>
> >> We have far too many petty tyrants letting some minuscule authority
> >> going to their heads around here already; the muses list comes to mind
> >> as a particularly egregious offender. The right of freedom of speech was
> >> placed in the Constitution for a reason, and just because you or any
> >> other magistrate finds the discussion not to their particular taste,
> >> does not give them the authority to override those rights.
> >>
> >> Vale,
> >>
> >> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> >> Pater Patriae
> >>
> >> On 11/3/2010 7:33 PM, gualterus_graecus wrote:
> >>> Salvete,
> >>>
> >>> This thread is now closed. It has changed topics more than once and at this point is merely a distraction and contributing nothing on-topic.
> >>>
> >>> Also, I am issuing a warning not to raise the tired old bogeyman of how NR treats women. This matter has been raised several times in the past with the same claims being repeated and nothing new or productive being added. If you merely want to repeat the same old stuff, you've been warned.
> >>>
> >>> Finally, be MINDFUL of the ML restriction on sexually explicit language. It doesn't matter who said it first and where; if you post it to the ML you're responsible for it.
> >>>
> >>> Valete,
> >>>
> >>> M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus
> >>> Praetorian Quaestor
> >>>
> >>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77"<lathyrus77@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine<robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> >>>>> Ave,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No no lol, its from the Mythbusters.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEInbnz5XG0
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There it is.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Salve,
> >>>>
> >>>> I believe I just posted that.....
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Vale,
> >>>>
> >>>> Anna Bucci
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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