Ave!

Glad the idea might be helpful. Even when I was recently in New England I
wrote notes so that I could write fuller reports (that is something I am
currently working on). The more detail allows you to relive the experiences
even years later. :) OOOH Good idea about that getting topics for your
paper or seminar!

Hehe your experiences remind me about my desire to go back to Israel knowing
how much I want to get back there! Oh and one thing my boss told me,
depending on how long you will be there was to only really plan for the
first few days.

Anyway, I hope you spend most if not all of your trip in Italy/Rome to get
all the fill that you want too! :) Awww dont be nervious about being
alone. I am sure there are plenty of Nova Romans in the vicinity that would
met up with you and show you places that are outside of the tourist areas.
:)

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Leah Bernardo-Ciddio <lbciddio@...>wrote:

>
>
> Salve,
>
> That sounds like a good idea! I love to write journals so I'll probably
> bring a notebook in which I can write things down, even when I'm out and
> about. I might even come across a good topic for a paper or a seminar while
> I'm there!
>
> I was actually in Rome in 2006 - and yes, the camcorder really did come in
> handy then! I decided I had to go back though - I was only there for four
> days before we skipped off to Athens, and my love of Rome and Roman history
> was only just budding, so I really could not appreciate it as much as I
> will
> now. Sixteen-year-old me was a lot less educated and therefore a lot less
> awestruck!
>
> It certainly should be a good time. I'm a bit nervous as I'll be completely
> alone, but I am really looking forward to the adventure.
>
> Vale,
> Ocella
>
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Robert Woolwine
> <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
>
>
> > Ave!
> >
> > OH sounds awesome!
> >
> > When I went on my one major major vacation I did AARs (After Action
> > Reports)
> > for each day. Every once in a while I go back to my blog to read them and
> > its like I sort of relive the experience with all the details I tried to
> > get
> > in there. And, camcorder, if you have one and do any tours I cant stress
> > the enjoyment enough. My boss also has given lots of tips, in case this
> is
> > your first trip overseas. If you might be interested. I am so jealous, I
> > am sure you will have the time of your life!!!! :)
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Gnaea Livia Ocella <lbciddio@...<lbciddio%40gmail.com>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > Yes, I'm escaping to Italy during my Winter Reading Week. Might not be
> > the
> > > best idea considering all the papers I'll have due the month after, but
> > I'll
> > > manage.
> > >
> > > I'll be in Rome mostly, but I plan to spend at least one day in
> Pompeii.
> > I
> > > will definitely take a lot of photos - which reminds me that I need to
> > start
> > > hunting around for a new memory card thing (no idea what they're really
> > > called) for my camera.
> > >
> > > Hopefully nothing else collapses within the next little while! These
> > things
> > > are becoming more and more frequent; if I remember correctly, a crane
> > fell
> > > into and knocked over the House of the Chaste Lovers last winter.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > > Ocella
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
>
> > > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ave,
> > > >
> > > > You are going in February? THAT IS SO COOL!!!! How long are you going
> > to
> > > > be there? PLEASE take tons of pics!
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Gnaea Livia Ocella <lbciddio@
> > ...>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Salvete,
> > > > >
> > > > > Truly tragic. I've been moping around about it all day. Was looking
> > > forward
> > > > > to seeing that in February - now it's lost. Hopefully they can
> > salvage
> > > > > something from the rubble.
> > > > >
> > > > > Valete,
> > > > > Ocella
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> 40yahoogroups.com
> > ><Nova-Roma%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>, Publius
> > >
> > > > > Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salvete omnes;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The so-called "House of the Gladiators" has collapsed:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101106/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_pompeii_collapse
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > In amicitia et fide
> > > > > > P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> > > > > > Civis et Poeta
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
> > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (sites subject to occasional updates)
> > > > > > http://www.facebook.com/p.ullerius.stfnus.venator
> > > > > > http://nrfb.korsoft.com/
> > > > > > http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Salvete,

The mistake ( hindsight being 20/20) was that Augustus used this disaster as a means to end ( for the most part) Roman expansion. They needed to put all of those on the dole (and fit) in the Army and make them earn their keep. Then they should have conquer Germany and not stopped until they reached the Urals. Hail Rome!!

Valete,

Ti. Galerius Paulinus




To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: jfarnoud94@...
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 03:21:12 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: �Peak Civilization� : The Fall of the Roman Empire (in system dynamics interpretation of Joseph Tainter, an essai of Ugo Bardi)






C. Petronius M. Prometheo s.p.d.,

> This year, 2009, marks the 2000th anniversary of of the battle of Teutoburg,fought in September 9 a.d. the battle that led to the annihilation of three Roman legions and changed forever the history of Europe. It was a tremendous shock for the Romans, who saw their mighty army destroyed by uncivilized barbarians.<

Lol. Is it German propaganda?

> It was not yet the peak of the Roman Empire,

Indeed, it was the beginning of the 5 centuries Roman Empire period.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. VII Idus Novembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.





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Salve Anna, Lathyrus 77, salvete omnes:

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> >
> > [snippage for brevity only]

Annia writes:
>
>
> Salve,
>
> The censors may remove a senator for non-payment of taxes but I can not find the lex that says a senator may be suspended from speaking on the senate mailing list before they are removed by the censors from the senate.

Pompeia: Neither can I, likely the only thing in this thread I can agree with you on.
When a lex does not exist Anna, by NR's legal system one defaults to the constitution (no lex, or absence of a lex, can override the constitution as NR's current supreme document, that's a given, see the constitution)
Sooooo...this defaults to the following NR constitutional language concerning the power of the elected Censors :

***d. To maintain the album senatorum (list of Senators), including the power to add and remove names on that list according to qualifications set by law; ***

Pompeia continues: Now to the qualifications set by law...we *do* have a law which states, among other things, that Senators , be they BoD members or just *s*enators active by virtue of previous office (the prevailing taxation law doesn't discriminate), must pay taxes to remain active..This, in the absence of any law specifying otherwise, gives the remaining active Censor leave to use some judgement in how to legally remedy matters, so.... this can well include dismissal of a noncompliant Senator from the Senate forum. Please reread the clause I just quoted if you remain in doubt.

You don't like the situation? This doesn't make it illegal. It is actually illegal to maintain officials in their positions who are not qualified to populate them. Remember that magistrates, including Censores, take an oath to honour the constitution.

So Piscinus was removed from a list he is no longer qualified to be on..this is fair game. And I think this is common sense; if you don't pay your taxes, by law you cannot hold your position, period. And I would expect elected officials, (and Piscinus was once a Consul), to be versed on the legislation he is bound by as Senator. I can appreciate where the censor might think that Piscinus, or any other non taxpaying Senator, has no immediate business on the Senate list.

The Senate by the constitution can mandate taxes, the consuls issue annual tax edicts on the Senate's behalf, citing amounts payable and payment deadlines; and as said, there is a peoples' law which mandates that magistrates and senators pay dues.

Anna, you're a smart girl. I don't think you need this explanation. And nobody *owes* you this explanation... However, you do come off as chair to an inquisition sometimes, and usually those times are when those you sympathize with are in trouble. Take care that you are not being used as an attack poodle. Let them explain themselves....shouldn't be that tough for them if they travel the road of truth and virtue.

But I write in part for the benefit of those who might be curious as to why the Censor did what he did in light of what Annia has written...well, because he has a constitution to uphold, and because the Senate sets taxes, and a lex says the Senators must pay them, and if they don't, they can't be Senators, plain and simple.

Lastly *yawn*, if said suspended Senator wishes to resign from the Senate because of the Censor's legal reaction to said Senator's inattention to longstanding legal obligations, well then, that is said Senator's prerogative.

>
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci

Pompeia
Consularis Novae Romae
>

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem VII Idus Novembris; haec dies comitialis est.

"L. Papirius Crassus and L. Plautius Venox were thereupon elected
consuls, the former for the second time. At the beginning of the year
deputations came from Fabrateria and Luca, places belonging to the
Volscians, with a request to be received into the protection of Rome,
whose overlordship they would faithfully and loyally acknowledge if
they would undertake to defend them from the Samnites. The senate
acceded to their request, and sent to warn the Samnites against
violating the territory of these two cities. The Samnites took the
warning, not because they were anxious for peace, but because they
were not yet ready for war. This year a war commenced with Privernum
and its ally, Fundi; their commander was a Fundan, Vitrubius Baccus, a
man of great distinction not only in his own city but even in Rome,
where he had a house on the Palatine, which was afterwards destroyed
and the site sold, the place being thenceforth known as the Bacci
Prata. Whilst he was spreading devastation far and wide through the
districts of Setia, Norba, and Cora, L. Papirius advanced against him
and took up a position not far from his camp. Vitrubius had neither
the prudence to remain within his lines in presence of an enemy
stronger than himself nor the courage to fight at a distance from his
camp. He gave battle whilst his men were hardly clear of their camp,
and thinking more of retreating back to it than of the battle or the
enemy, was with very little effort put to a decisive defeat. Owing to
the proximity of the camp retreat was easy, and he had not much
difficulty in protecting his men from serious loss; hardly any were
killed in the actual battle, and only a few in the rear of the crowded
fugitives as they were rushing into their camp. As soon as it grew
dark they abandoned it for Privernum, trusting to stone walls for
protection rather than to the rampart round their camp.

The other consul, Plautius, after ravaging the fields in all
directions and carrying off the plunder, led his army into the
territory of Fundi. As he was crossing their frontier the senate of
Fundi met him and explained that they had not come to intercede for
Vitrubius and those who had belonged to his party, but for the people
of Fundi. They pointed out that Vitrubius himself had cleared them
from all responsibility by seeking shelter in Privernum and not in
Fundi, though it was his city. At Privernum, therefore, the enemies of
Rome were to be looked for and punished, for they had been faithless
both to Fundi and Rome. The men of Fundi wished for peace; their
sympathies were wholly Roman, and they retained a grateful sense of
the boon they received when the rights of citizenship were conferred
upon them. They besought the consul to abstain from making war upon an
unoffending people; their lands, their city, their own persons and the
persons of their wives and children were and would continue to be at
the disposal of Rome. The consul commended them for their loyalty and
sent despatches to Rome to inform the senate that the Fundans were
firm in their allegiance, after which he marched to Privernum.
Claudius gives a different account. According to him the consul first
proceeded against the ringleaders of the revolt, of whom three hundred
and fifty were sent in chains to Rome. He adds that the senate refused
to receive the surrender because they considered that the Fundans were
anxious to escape with the punishment of poor and obscure individuals.
" - Livy, History of Rome 8.19


ROMAN REPUBLICAN TERMS - CENSOR

The censor had several tasks that are, in our view, a strange mixture.
The first two censors served c.440 BC; they were to assist the consuls
by counting of the Roman citizens (census). This job had to be done
every five year and ended with the ritual cleansing of the state
(lustrum). In the fifth century, the censorship was still a typical
beginner's function.

The censors not only wrote down the names of the citizens, but also
registered their property and age; in this way, the quaestors were
able to estimate the budget and the consuls knew how many soldiers
they commanded. After the constitutional reforms of the 360's, it was
customary that the two censors served eighteen months; one of them had
to be a patrician, the other a plebeian.

From their financial task, other duties were derived. For example, the
censors had to put out to tender projects that were to be financed by
the state. In 310-309 BC, censor Appius Claudius was responsible for
an aqueduct and a road (the Aqua Appia and the Via Appia). A similar
task was the leasing out of conquered land (ager publicus). The first
project they had to put out to tender, however, was a lot smaller:
they had to find the farmer who was allowed to feed the holy geese on
the Capitol for the next five years.

From their classification of the population developed another duty:
they had to see who was worthy of the equestrian and senatorial rank,
a responsibility laid down in the fourth-century Lex Ovinia. This was
called the regimen morum, the control of the public moral. For
example, the censor Marcus Porcius Cato once expelled a man from the
Senate because he had kissed his wife in public, something that was
regarded as undignified behavior, unfitting for a member of this
august house. Because the regimen morum was a very important
responsibility, the censorship became increasingly a magistracy for
former consuls. The regimen morum also included controlling the books
of financial institutions and verifying and stamping measures and weights.

Sulla abolished the censorship; Pompey and Crassus reinstituted the
old magistracy again in 70, when 910,000 citizens were registered;
Caesar again abolished it when he became praefectus morum. His adopted
son Augustus restored the office, but made sure that the emperor was
always one of the two censors, one of his relatives being the second
one. At this age, the census was no longer taking place at regular
intervals; the empire had become too large.

The censors were elected by the Comitia centuriata, an assembly of the
people in which the richest Romans were in the majority. Censors had
no bodyguard (lictor) but were allowed to wear a purple-bordered toga.


PERSON OF THE DAY - TERMINUS

Terminus is the Roman deity protecting the boundaries between the
fields. Actually, the stone that marked the border was thought to be a
sacred object with divine powers. Each year, on February 23, the feast
of the Terminalia was held. At this ceremony people poured sacrificial
blood over the stone and placed wreaths of flowers to renew the powers
of the stone. Later, people began to regard the stone as a god.

The god Iuppiter, who also protected the borders as Iuppiter Terminus
or Terminalus, was closely connected with Terminus. Legend has it that
Terminus was the only god who did not give way to Iuppiter when he
moved into his temple on the Capitol. In this temple, a boundary stone
was worshipped as the stone of Terminus. It was also believed that a
curse was placed on anyone who would remove a boundary stone.


Valete bene!

Cato

The mistake ( hindsight being 20/20) was that Augustus used this disaster as a
eans to end ( for the most part) Roman expansion. They needed to put all of
hose on the dole (and fit) in the Army and make them earn their keep. Then they
hould have conquer Germany and not stopped until they reached the Urals. Hail
ome!!

alete,

i. Galerius Paulinus

Salvete et Salve Censore

Well it had to do with money. While the Dalmation/ Pannonian revolt was over, it had been very expensive, it took eleven eagles or one third of the Roman legionary manpower for the campaign in the Balkans.

Germania had three eagles assigned, Hispania 1, Greater Gaul 1, the rest were in the east watching the Parthians. The revolt was extremely shocking to the Romans once the
word got down to the man in the Street, the Po valley and Tuscany were especially worried about a Germanic invasion. Gaul in the mountains raised one legio of of Roman settlers, and mobliized its levy in case the Germans would come over the mountains. There was no way, Rome was in any danger. The Alliance with the Seubi was firm, and Arminius could not leave Germania with an enemy to the south even if he wanted to which he did not. So, he had to wait for the eventual Roman retaliation, which was not long coming.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus





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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <metamorphosis2003@...> wrote:

> So Piscinus was removed from a list he is no longer qualified to be on..this is fair game.

Salve,

From what I gathered he wasn't removed from the list he was just moderated and prevented from speaking on the list.


Vale,

Anna Bucci

Salve Anna:

For the most part, I wasn't going so much by what any one else said, or gathered, but primarily what Piscinus wrote himself:

Quote:

I strongly protest the effort that has been made over the past several months to
exclude me from email lists used for corporate communications. This has been a
denial of my rights of membership and my privileges as a Director and former
Co-President.

[...]
End quote

If he is not actually 'off' the Senate list, then this is my misinterpretation, but I can only read what he wrote.

More to the point, Piscinus is not being denied any rights and privileges as he so claims, because he is no longer entitled to them, at least at the present time. Whether he is actually listed as a member wearing a gag, or excluded from the list altogether is, to me, splitting hairs. It is up to the Censor to decide how to administer the law here, as comitia leges are silent on this fine point of *exactly* how the censor should proceed in halting a Senator's activity on the Senate list.

Piscinus as a former Consul could have waited to pay his taxes next year and asked for reinstatement; at least I don't see where he could, after payment, be denied a Senate seat on the basis of tax arrears; but instead he chose to resign his seat over what he implies in a public forum as mistreatment. He is not being mistreated; its a legal consequence to failure on his part to uphold the law.

I've known Sabinus Censor for some time, and, although I haven't always agreed with him, I've always seen him as fairly straight shooting, law wise. If he wasn't, this wouldn't be an issue.

And, I know you do not like to see people disadvantaged; neither do I. That said, I don't wish to see you, Anna, or anyone else, labour under falsehoods.

Vale
Pompeia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lathyrus77" <lathyrus77@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <metamorphosis2003@> wrote:
>
> > So Piscinus was removed from a list he is no longer qualified to be on..this is fair game.
>
>
> Salve,
>
> From what I gathered he wasn't removed from the list he was just moderated and prevented from speaking on the list.
>
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

>
> I am sure there are plenty of Nova Romans in the vicinity that would
> met up with you and show you places that are outside of the tourist areas.

Of course. Just write to me just before leaving to Rome or
when you are here in the Urbs; I'll try to arrange a meeting with other NRomans or just a quick "hello" somewhere.

vale
M IVL PERVSIANVS
Aedilis Urbis

> :)
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Leah Bernardo-Ciddio <lbciddio@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > That sounds like a good idea! I love to write journals so I'll probably
> > bring a notebook in which I can write things down, even when I'm out and
> > about. I might even come across a good topic for a paper or a seminar while
> > I'm there!
> >
> > I was actually in Rome in 2006 - and yes, the camcorder really did come in
> > handy then! I decided I had to go back though - I was only there for four
> > days before we skipped off to Athens, and my love of Rome and Roman history
> > was only just budding, so I really could not appreciate it as much as I
> > will
> > now. Sixteen-year-old me was a lot less educated and therefore a lot less
> > awestruck!
> >
> > It certainly should be a good time. I'm a bit nervous as I'll be completely
> > alone, but I am really looking forward to the adventure.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Ocella
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Robert Woolwine
> > <robert.woolwine@... <robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Ave!
> > >
> > > OH sounds awesome!
> > >
> > > When I went on my one major major vacation I did AARs (After Action
> > > Reports)
> > > for each day. Every once in a while I go back to my blog to read them and
> > > its like I sort of relive the experience with all the details I tried to
> > > get
> > > in there. And, camcorder, if you have one and do any tours I cant stress
> > > the enjoyment enough. My boss also has given lots of tips, in case this
> > is
> > > your first trip overseas. If you might be interested. I am so jealous, I
> > > am sure you will have the time of your life!!!! :)
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Gnaea Livia Ocella <lbciddio@...<lbciddio%40gmail.com>
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Salve,
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I'm escaping to Italy during my Winter Reading Week. Might not be
> > > the
> > > > best idea considering all the papers I'll have due the month after, but
> > > I'll
> > > > manage.
> > > >
> > > > I'll be in Rome mostly, but I plan to spend at least one day in
> > Pompeii.
> > > I
> > > > will definitely take a lot of photos - which reminds me that I need to
> > > start
> > > > hunting around for a new memory card thing (no idea what they're really
> > > > called) for my camera.
> > > >
> > > > Hopefully nothing else collapses within the next little while! These
> > > things
> > > > are becoming more and more frequent; if I remember correctly, a crane
> > > fell
> > > > into and knocked over the House of the Chaste Lovers last winter.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > > Ocella
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, Robert
> >
> > > > Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ave,
> > > > >
> > > > > You are going in February? THAT IS SO COOL!!!! How long are you going
> > > to
> > > > > be there? PLEASE take tons of pics!
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sulla
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Gnaea Livia Ocella <lbciddio@
> > > ...>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salvete,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Truly tragic. I've been moping around about it all day. Was looking
> > > > forward
> > > > > > to seeing that in February - now it's lost. Hopefully they can
> > > salvage
> > > > > > something from the rubble.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Valete,
> > > > > > Ocella
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com><Nova-Roma%
> > 40yahoogroups.com
> > > ><Nova-Roma%
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, Publius
> > > >
> > > > > > Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Salvete omnes;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The so-called "House of the Gladiators" has collapsed:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101106/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_pompeii_collapse
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > In amicitia et fide
> > > > > > > P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> > > > > > > Civis et Poeta
> > > > > > >
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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem VI Idus Novembris; haec dies comitialis est.


"Whilst Privernum was invested by two consular armies, one of the
consuls was recalled home to conduct the elections. It was in this
year that the carceres were erected in the Circus Maximus. The trouble
of the war with Privernum was not yet over when a most alarming report
of a sudden movement amongst the Gauls reached the senate. Such
reports were not often treated lightly. The new consuls, L. Aemilius
Mamercinus and C Plautius, were immediately ordered to arrange their
respective commands on the very day they assumed office, namely July
1. The Gaulish war fell to Mamercinus, and he allowed none of those
who were called up for service to claim exemption. It is even asserted
that the mob of mechanics and artizans, a class utterly unfit for
warfare, were called out. An immense army was concentrated at Veii to
check the advance of the Gauls. It was thought better not to march any
further in case the enemy took some other route to the City. After a
thorough reconnaissance had been made, it was ascertained after a few
days that all was quiet as far as the Gauls were concerned, and the
whole force was thereupon marched to Privernum. From this point there
is a twofold story. Some state that the city was stormed and Vitrubius
taken alive; other authorities aver that before the final assault the
townsmen came out with a caduceus and surrendered to the consul,
whilst Vitrubius was given up by his own men. The senate, when
consulted as to the fate of Vitrubius and the Privernates, instructed
the consul to demolish the walls of Privernum and station a strong
garrison there, and then to celebrate his triumph. Vitrubius was to be
kept in prison until the consul returned and then to be scourged and
beheaded; his house on the Palatine was to be razed and his goods
devoted to Semo Sancus. The money realised by their sale was melted
down into brazen orbs which were deposited in the chapel of Sancus
opposite the temple of Quirinus. With regard to the senate of
Privernum, it was decreed that every senator who had remained in that
city after its revolt from Rome should be deported beyond the Tiber on
the same conditions as those of Velitrae. After his triumph, when
Vitrubius and his accomplices had been put to death, the consul
thought that as the senate was satisfied with the punishment of the
guilty, he might safely refer to the matter of the Privernates. He
addressed the House in the following terms: "Since the authors of the
revolt, senators, have been visited by the immortal gods and by you
with the punishment they deserved, what is your pleasure with regard
to the innocent population? Although it is my duty to ask for opinions
rather than to give them, I should like to say that in view of the
fact that the Privernates are neighbours of the Samnites, with whom
peaceful relations are now upon a most uncertain footing, I am anxious
that as few grounds of complaint as possible should exist between us
and them."

The question was not an easy one to settle, for the senators, were
governed largely by their temperaments and some advised a harsh,
others a gentler course. The general divergence of opinion was widened
by one of the Privernate envoys who was thinking more of the state of
things in which he had been born than of his present plight. One of
the senators who was advocating sterner measures asked him what
punishment he thought his countrymen deserved. He replied: "The
punishment which those deserve who assert their liberty." The consul
saw that this spirited reply only exasperated those who were already
adverse to the cause of the Privernates, and he tried to get a softer
answer by a more considerate question. "Well," he said, "if we spare
you now, what sort of a peace may we hope to have with you for the
time to come?" "A real and lasting one," was the reply, "if its terms
be good, but if they are bad, one that will soon be broken." On
hearing this, some of the senators exclaimed that he was using open
threats, and that it was by such language that even those states which
had been pacified were incited to renew hostilities. The better part
of the senate, however, put a more favourable construction on his
reply, and declared that it was an utterance worthy of a man and a man
who loved liberty. Was it, they asked, to be supposed that any people
or for that matter, any individual would remain longer than he could
help under conditions which made him discontented? Peace would only be
faithfully kept where those who accepted it did so voluntarily; they
could not hope that it would be faithfully kept where they sought to
reduce men to servitude. The senate was brought to adopt this view
mainly by the consul himself who kept repeating to the consulars-the
men who had to state their opinions first-in a tone loud enough for
many to hear, "Men whose first and last thought is their liberty
deserve to become Romans." Thus they gained their cause in the senate,
and the proposal to confer full citizenship on the Privernates was
submitted to the people." - Livy, History of Rome 8.20



Today is the last celebration of the Mania, and the rite of mundus was
performed for the final time of the year. In this ceremony an effigy
representing the sky was placed upside down in a pit and and covered
with a large stone called the lapis manalis. Three times a year,
including today, the stone was removed to alow the spirits of the
underworld access to the upper regions of the earth. Mania is the
goddess of the dead and along with Mantus rules the underworld. She is
said to be the mother of ghosts, the undead and other spirits of the
night, as well as the Lares and the Manes, the spirits of Roman
ancestors. Mania was borrowed from the Etruscan goddess Manea after
the assimilation of the Etruscan people by the Romans, and from the
Greeks as the goddess of madness and death --- with her sister
Insania, utter madness, she was a cruel mistress.



"Illustrious Rhea ... Mother of Gods and Men, who from Gaia (Earth)
and spacious Ouranos (Heaven) derives her glorious birth." –Orphic
Hymn 14 to Rhea

"Ops is said to be the wife of Saturn. By her they designated the
earth, because the earth distributes all goods to the human gender." -
Festus 203:19

Today is also sacred to Ops, or the Greek Rhea. Ops is the goddess of
harvests. She was the wife of Saturn, by whom she bore Iuppiter and
Iuno. At her festivals, the Opiconsivia and the Opalia, held in August
and December, respectively, she was worshiped as a goddess of sowing
and reaping and was associated with Consus, god of crops. She was
later identified with the Greek Rhea. The Latin word ops means
"riches, goods, abundance, gifts, munificence, plenty". This word is
also related to opus, meaning "work" and, particularly "working the
earth, ploughing, sowing". Ops was the goddess of plenty among the
Latins (Romans). She was the spouse of Saturn, the bountiful monarch
of the Golden Age. Just as Saturn was identified to Kronos, his Greek
counterpart, Ops was identified to Rhea, the wife of Kronos (or
Kronus, in the Latin spelling). The cult of Ops was instituted by King
Titus Tatius, the Sabine monarch. And Ops soon became the patroness of
riches, abundance, and prosperity both personal and national. She is
shown seated, holding sheaves of grain.

In Greek mythology, Rhea was the mother of the gods, daughter of
Uranus and Gaia. She was married to her brother Cronus and was the
mother of Demeter, Hades, Hera, Hestia, Poseidon and Zeus. Cronus was
jealous of the future power of his children and, to secure his
dominion, he ate his own children. Rhea managed to rescue one son,
Zeus. She hid him in the Dictean Cave in Crete and gave Cronus a stone
wrapped in the clothes of the infant, which he swallowed. Thus Rhea
succeeded in making him believe that he had killed all of his
children. When Zeus reached maturity he overpowered and dethroned his
father and made Cronus disgorge his siblings. Rhea is identified with
mother goddess Cybele from Asia Minor and is also known as Rhea Cybele
and Magna Mater ("great mother"). She was worshipped with orgiastic
rites. Rhea is depicted between two lions or on a chariot pulled by lions.



Valete bene!

Cato

Ave Graecus,

You and your group are a shame to Nova Roma. You are destroying our Res publica.
Those who would make jokes about sexual harassment, are as guilty as the
harassers themselves.
Baseles accusations againts Dexter? Come on, Graecus, you should know better,
but you prefer to protect your pals.
Are you going to allow this, Consul P. Memmius Albucius?
You have my full support in this matter, dear Anna, as well as Maior.
Graecus and his group, including Sulla, of course, are the minions that are
killing Nova Roma! (I am not referring to you by this, Albucius. Not yet).

Vale,
 
M•IVL•SEVERVS

SENATOR
PRO•CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICI




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Salve dear Proconsul,

I must tell you that I feel a bit "disconnected", for currently in our Senate, in session.

I am not sure, but if you refer to a moderation, I suppose that you address to the Graecus-quaestor, and not the Graecus-pontifex.

Please send me the reference of the action, message, etc. which is the cause of your indignation, Proconsul and please, if I may correct an illegal or inappropriate act, give more elements. If you intervene on behalf on a citizen pls just inform me if this person is a citizen or not, and if he/she has asked yet my intermission. I see that you are evoking Ana and Maior, and cc.'ing to Ana... (?).

I stay at your disposal, dear Severe.

Vale sincerely,


Albucius cos.




Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:28:34 -0800
From: marcusiuliusseverus@...
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Notice of Moderation
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com; lathyrus77@...; praetores@yahoogroups.com
CC: albucius_aoe@...; Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com







Ave Graecus,

You and your group are a shame to Nova Roma. You are destroying our Res publica.
Those who would make jokes about sexual harassment, are as guilty as the harassers themselves.
Baseles accusations againts Dexter? Come on, Graecus, you should know better, but you prefer to protect your pals.
Are you going to allow this, Consul P. Memmius Albucius?
You have my full support in this matter, dear Anna, as well as Maior.
Graecus and his group, including Sulla, of course, are the minions that are killing Nova Roma! (I am not referring to you by this, Albucius. Not yet).

Vale,

M�IVL�SEVERVS

SENATOR
PRO�CONSVL�PROVINCI��MEXICI


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C. Petronius M. Iulio Severo sal.,

> Baseles accusations againts Dexter?

Yes, absolutely baseless. Did you read the private message I sent to Maior about the waves of confarreationes performed by Maior in New York city?

That was the private joke.

Can you explain how this joke is:
- 1) harassment.
- 2) sexual.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. VI Idus Novembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Ave,

The correct phrase would be preventing your faction from doing any more damage and coups to nr. And, it is also understandable the feelings you have given the unmitigated disaster your consulship was! Maybe if you and compy were a bit better piscinus and crew wouldn't have needed to stage the coup?

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:28 AM, M•IVL•SEVERVS <marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:

> Ave Graecus,
>
> You and your group are a shame to Nova Roma. You are destroying our Res publica.
> Those who would make jokes about sexual harassment, are as guilty as the
> harassers themselves.
> Baseles accusations againts Dexter? Come on, Graecus, you should know better,
> but you prefer to protect your pals.
> Are you going to allow this, Consul P. Memmius Albucius?
> You have my full support in this matter, dear Anna, as well as Maior.
> Graecus and his group, including Sulla, of course, are the minions that are
> killing Nova Roma! (I am not referring to you by this, Albucius. Not yet).
>
> Vale,
>
> M•IVL•SEVERVS
>
> SENATOR
> PRO•CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICI
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Save Consule et Salvete

You and your group are a shame to Nova Roma. You are destroying our Respublica.
Those who would make jokes about sexual harassment, are as guilty as the
harassers themselves.



Our group (Vedius, Cassius, Cornelius Sulla, Equitius Cinncinatius, Iunius Palladus, Fabius Maximus, Octavius) as you call it, MADE Nova Roma. So calling us destroyers makes no sense at all.
There was no reports of Sexual harassment until 2000, when certain people joined NR only to leave a year latter. Then as these people rejoined Nova Roma in the mid 2000s it started up again, these accusations. What does that tell us? That this is a hot button issue used to obscure the real issues like gay marriage was used in the 2008 US elections, to polarize the people so they ignore the real problems. It is a time honored political tactic.

Valethe...
Q Fabius Maximus



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Cato Severo sal.

This is my favorite part:

"Graecus and his group, including Sulla, of course..."

LOL

Of course Sulla is behind it. Like the communists of the 50s. Or the Illuminati. Or the Templars...of course.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL•SEVERVS <marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Graecus,
>
> You and your group are a shame to Nova Roma. You are destroying our Res publica.
> Those who would make jokes about sexual harassment, are as guilty as the
> harassers themselves.
> Baseles accusations againts Dexter? Come on, Graecus, you should know better,
> but you prefer to protect your pals.
> Are you going to allow this, Consul P. Memmius Albucius?
> You have my full support in this matter, dear Anna, as well as Maior.
> Graecus and his group, including Sulla, of course, are the minions that are
> killing Nova Roma! (I am not referring to you by this, Albucius. Not yet).
>
> Vale,
>  
> M•IVL•SEVERVS
>
> SENATOR
> PRO•CONSVL•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICI
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Iulia omnibus in foro S.P.D.

These are very trying times in Nova Roma, and in light of this, I am asking if we, the citizens, could have a summary of what is going on in the Senate.

Bearing in mind that we all have endured dueling Consuls and a proposed, albeit unsuccessful, Dictatorship; a very rough year in which many have lost faith in the Res publica, in Her Magistrates and for some of us, those we call friends. On all "sides" and on all "sides" the flames were fanned as some of those from all "sides" showed their worst...side.

It would be a sign of respect to keep the citizens apprised of important developments.
To follow the example of the New Collegium Pontificum regarding transparency would be an honorable act for the Senate to emulate.

There are many things that need to be fixed in Nova Roma and we have many good minds who can offer some advice, their point of view, after all it is not just the Senate, but the Senate and People of Rome.

I volunteered to help with the new bylaws but Nova Roma may even have to amend the constitution (which should at best be another lex in my opinion) because, for example, any mention of Dictatorship is illegal under Maine Law. Further, we, collectively, may have to comb through any laws that were passed during any past dictatorship for compliance and also for illegalities. Any Dictator-like behavior is suspect as well.

Just beginning to lift Nova Roma from her weakened state will take all the resources we have. This is not the time to exclude the people, the citizens.

Simul Triumphamus, valete optime,

L. Iulia Aquila
Aedilis Curulis

Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus

SALVE IULIA ET SALVETE!
 
A small correction: there is not a new CP but a new CP list. The another one was restricted because the reasons I do not repeat and it was necessary to set a new one as the CP to continue the work.
All pontifices and flamines were invited to the new CP list. All joined but three. Open to the public, the CP list is secured now and nobody can take it over. Our citizens can observe what is happen there so in the future there will be no doubts about how the CP works, having as priority the NR general interest.

 
VALETE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

--- On Tue, 11/9/10, luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:


From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nov 2010 Senate Session
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 4:55 AM


 



Iulia omnibus in foro S.P.D.

These are very trying times in Nova Roma, and in light of this, I am asking if we, the citizens, could have a summary of what is going on in the Senate.

Bearing in mind that we all have endured dueling Consuls and a proposed, albeit unsuccessful, Dictatorship; a very rough year in which many have lost faith in the Res publica, in Her Magistrates and for some of us, those we call friends. On all "sides" and on all "sides" the flames were fanned as some of those from all "sides" showed their worst...side.

It would be a sign of respect to keep the citizens apprised of important developments.
To follow the example of the New Collegium Pontificum regarding transparency would be an honorable act for the Senate to emulate.

There are many things that need to be fixed in Nova Roma and we have many good minds who can offer some advice, their point of view, after all it is not just the Senate, but the Senate and People of Rome.

I volunteered to help with the new bylaws but Nova Roma may even have to amend the constitution (which should at best be another lex in my opinion) because, for example, any mention of Dictatorship is illegal under Maine Law. Further, we, collectively, may have to comb through any laws that were passed during any past dictatorship for compliance and also for illegalities. Any Dictator-like behavior is suspect as well.

Just beginning to lift Nova Roma from her weakened state will take all the resources we have. This is not the time to exclude the people, the citizens.

Simul Triumphamus, valete optime,

L. Iulia Aquila
Aedilis Curulis

Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus











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Salve Cato,

So let me see if I have this right. Sulla was temporary an illustrious communist in the 1950�s?

Vale

Paulinus




To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: catoinnyc@...
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:33:51 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Notice of Moderation






Cato Severo sal.

This is my favorite part:

"Graecus and his group, including Sulla, of course..."

LOL

Of course Sulla is behind it. Like the communists of the 50s. Or the Illuminati. Or the Templars...of course.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M���IVL���SEVERVS <marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Graecus,
>
> You and your group are a shame to Nova Roma. You are destroying our Res publica.
> Those who would make� jokes about sexual harassment, are as guilty as the
> harassers themselves.
> Baseles accusations againts Dexter? Come on, Graecus, you should know better,
> but� you prefer� to protect your pals.
> Are you going to allow this, Consul P. Memmius Albucius?
> You have my full support in this matter, dear Anna, as well as Maior.
> Graecus and his group, including Sulla, of course, are the minions that are
> killing Nova Roma! (I am not referring to you by this, Albucius. Not yet).
>
> Vale,
> �
> M���IVL���SEVERVS
>
> SENATOR
> PRO���CONSVL���PROVINCI�����MEXICI
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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>> The current meeting of the Board of Directors must consider a motion to
>> expel Robert Woolwine, Stephen Phenow, and any others who engaged in
>> sexual
>> harassment of female members of the Board.

I laughed out loud when I read this one! I've never met Sulla, but I've
known him through NR since 1998 or 1999. And Fabius is a true gentlemen. Any
woman who meets/met him can verify that.

Vale,
Diana

Oh no! And I was just there a few weeks ago!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator" <famila.ulleria.venii@...>
To: "NR-Main List" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 1:22 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Sad development - Pompeii


> Salvete omnes;
>
> The so-called "House of the Gladiators" has collapsed:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101106/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_pompeii_collapse
>
> --
> In amicitia et fide
> P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis et Poeta
>
> Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
>
> (sites subject to occasional updates)
> http://www.facebook.com/p.ullerius.stfnus.venator
> http://nrfb.korsoft.com/
> http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
>

You got a honourable mention in his ranting post as well Diana. I think you were included in the list of evil plotters on the Back Alley seeking to undermine the morals of NR and overthrow the religio piscina.

Caesar

--- On Mon, 11/8/10, Diana Octavia <roman.babe@...> wrote:

> From: Diana Octavia <roman.babe@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Resignation from the Board of Directors
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:37 PM
> >> The current meeting of the
> Board of Directors must consider a motion to
> >> expel Robert Woolwine, Stephen Phenow, and any
> others who engaged in
> >> sexual
> >> harassment of female members of the Board.
>
> I laughed out loud when I read this one! I've never met
> Sulla, but I've
> known him through NR since 1998 or 1999. And Fabius is a
> true gentlemen. Any
> woman who meets/met him can verify that.
>
> Vale,
> Diana
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     Nova-Roma-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Fabius Maximus" <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

>
>
> Our group (Vedius, Cassius, Cornelius Sulla, Equitius Cinncinatius, Iunius Palladus, Fabius Maximus, Octavius) as you call it, MADE Nova Roma.

Salve,


I wouldn't include Palladius in your group. At least not the group he's referring to.


Vale,

Anna Bucci

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem V Idus Novembris; haec dies comitialis est.


"Both consuls sent word to the senate that there were very slender
hopes of the Samnites remaining at peace. Publilius informed them that
2000 troops from Nola and 4000 Samnites had been admitted into
Palaeopolis, more under pressure from Nola than from any great desire
for their presence on the part of the Greeks; Cornelius sent the
additional information that orders for a general levy had been issued
throughout Samnium, and attempts were being openly made to induce the
neighbouring communities of Privernum, Fundi, and Formiae to rise.
Under these circumstances it was decided to send ambassadors to the
Samnites before actually commencing war. The Samnites sent an insolent
reply. They accused the Romans of wanton aggression, and absolutely
denied the charges made against themselves; they declared that the
assistance which the Greeks had received was not furnished by their
government, nor had they tampered with Fundi and Formiae, for they had
no reason to distrust their own strength if it came to war. Moreover,
it was impossible to disguise the deep irritation which the Samnite
nation felt at the conduct of the Roman people in restoring Fregellae
after they had taken it from the Volscians and destroyed it, and
placing a colony on Samnite territory which the colonists called
Fregellae. If this insult and injury were not removed by those
responsible for it, they would themselves exert all their strength to
get rid of it. The Roman ambassadors invited them to submit the
questions at issue to arbitration before their common friends, but the
Samnites replied: "Why should we beat about the bush? No diplomacy, no
arbitration can adjust our quarrel; arms and the fortune of war can
alone decide the issue. We must meet in Campania." To which the Roman
replied: "Roman soldiers will march not whither the enemy summons
them, but whither their commander leads them."

Publilius meantime had taken up a suitable position between
Palaeopolis and Neapolis in order to prevent them from rendering each
other the mutual assistance they had hitherto given. The time for the
elections was close at hand, and it would have been most inexpedient
for the public interest to recall Publilius, as he was ready to attack
the place and in daily expectation of effecting its capture. An
arrangement was accordingly made with the tribunes of the plebs to
propose to the people that at the expiration of his term of office
Publilius should continue to act as proconsul till the war with the
Greeks was brought to a close. The same step was taken with regard to
Cornelius, who had already entered Samnium, and written instructions
were sent to him to nominate a Dictator to hold the elections. He
nominated M. Claudius Marcellus, and Sp. Postumius was named by him
Master of the Horse. The elections, however, were not held by that
Dictator, doubts having been raised as to whether the proper
formalities had been observed in his nomination. The augurs, when
consulted, declared that they had not been duly observed. The tribunes
characterised their action as dishonest and iniquitous. "How," they
asked, "could they know that there was any irregularity? The consul
rose at midnight to nominate the Dictator; he had made no
communication to any one either officially or privately about the
matter; there was no one living who could say that he had seen or
heard anything which would vitiate the auspices; the augurs sitting
quietly in Rome could not possibly divine what difficulty the consul
may have met with in the camp. Who was there who could not see that
the irregularity which the augurs had discovered lay in the fact that
the Dictator was a plebeian?" These and other objections were raised
by the tribunes. Matters, however, reverted to an interregnum, and
owing to the repeated adjournment of the elections on one pretext
after another, there were no fewer than fourteen interregna. At last
L. Aemilius, the fourteenth interrex, declared C. Poetilius and L.
Papirius Mugilanus duly elected." - Livy, History of Rome 8.23



Today is Sadie Hawkins' Day. In A.D. 1288 the Scottish parliament
legislated that any woman could propose to a man in Leap Year. If
refused, the man had to compensate her by one pound. This law was
adopted in France, Switzerland and Italy, and the tradition was
carried to America, Australia and other countries. In the United
States, the idea made its debut in Al Capp's "Li'l Abner" comic strip
on November 15, 1937. Sadie Hawkins was "the homeliest gal in the
hills" who grew tired of waiting for the fellows to come a courtin'.
Her father, Hekzebiah Hawkins, a prominent resident of Dogpatch, was
even more worried about Sadie living at home for the rest of his life,
so he decreed the first annual Sadie Hawkins Day, a foot race in which
the unmarried gals pursued the town's bachelors, with matrimony the
consequence. By the late 1930's the event had swept the nation and had
a life of its own. Life magazine reported over 200 colleges holding
Sadie Hawkins Day events in 1939, only two years after its inception.
It became a woman empowering rite at high schools and college
campuses, long before the modern feminist movement gained prominence.
The basis of Sadie Hawkins Day is that women and girls take the
initiative in inviting the man or boy of their choice out on a date,
typically to a dance attended by other bachelors and their aggressive
dates. When Al Capp created the event, it was not his intention to
have the event occur annually on a specific date because it inhibited
his freewheeling plotting. However, due to its enormous popularity and
the numerous fan letters Capp received, the event became an annual
event in the strip during the month of November, lasting four decades.



"Originally the Lord Mayor of London was elected on the feast of St
Simon and St Jude (28 October), and although the election day was
altered, admittance to office continued to take place on that day
until 1751. From 1752, owing to the adoption of the Gregorian
calendar, Lord Mayor's Day became 9 November. In recent years the Lord
Mayor has been sworn in at Guildhall on the second Friday [now
Saturday] in November, being presented to the Lord Chief Justice on
the following day (Saturday)." - Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and
Fable (Cassell, London, 1988)


Images of Gog and Magog depicted as giants are carried in a
traditional procession in the Lord Mayor's Show by the Lord Mayor of
the City of London. According to the Lord Mayor, the giants Gog and
Magog are traditional guardians of the City of London, and their
images have been carried in the Lord Mayor's Show since the days of
King Henry V. The Lord Mayor's account of Gog and Magog says that the
Roman Emperor Diocletian had thirty-three wicked daughters. He found
thirty three husbands for them to curb their wicked ways; they chafed
at this, and under the leadership of the eldest sister, Alba, they
murdered them. For this crime, they were set adrift at sea; they were
washed ashore on a windswept island, which after Alba was called
Albion. Here they coupled with demons, and gave birth to a race of
giants, among whose descendants were Gog and Magog.


Valete bene!

Cato

Senators, Magistrates, Ministers, and all Citizens of Nova Roma,


The current session of the Senate/Board of Nova Roma (inc.) will soon end.

However, several points still need a decision or information of the senators (directors) of our Republic.

I therefore inform you, hereby, of my intent calling the Senate for another session, after the end of the current one.


Valete omnes,


Albucius cos.





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Ave Sabine, avete omnes,

Thank you for that small correction, that is exactly what I meant: the new CP list. I apologize for any misunderstanding this may have caused.
Thank you also for the update on the membership of the list which can be found here for observation to non-members of the CP:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/

Vale, et valete,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVE IULIA ET SALVETE!
>  
> A small correction: there is not a new CP but a new CP list. The another one was restricted because the reasons I do not repeat and it was necessary to set a new one as the CP to continue the work.
> All pontifices and flamines were invited to the new CP list. All joined but three. Open to the public, the CP list is secured now and nobody can take it over. Our citizens can observe what is happen there so in the future there will be no doubts about how the CP works, having as priority the NR general interest.
>
>  
> VALETE,
> Sabinus
>
> "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius
>
> --- On Tue, 11/9/10, luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nov 2010 Senate Session
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 4:55 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Iulia omnibus in foro S.P.D.
>
> These are very trying times in Nova Roma, and in light of this, I am asking if we, the citizens, could have a summary of what is going on in the Senate.
>
> Bearing in mind that we all have endured dueling Consuls and a proposed, albeit unsuccessful, Dictatorship; a very rough year in which many have lost faith in the Res publica, in Her Magistrates and for some of us, those we call friends. On all "sides" and on all "sides" the flames were fanned as some of those from all "sides" showed their worst...side.
>
> It would be a sign of respect to keep the citizens apprised of important developments.
> To follow the example of the New Collegium Pontificum regarding transparency would be an honorable act for the Senate to emulate.
>
> There are many things that need to be fixed in Nova Roma and we have many good minds who can offer some advice, their point of view, after all it is not just the Senate, but the Senate and People of Rome.
>
> I volunteered to help with the new bylaws but Nova Roma may even have to amend the constitution (which should at best be another lex in my opinion) because, for example, any mention of Dictatorship is illegal under Maine Law. Further, we, collectively, may have to comb through any laws that were passed during any past dictatorship for compliance and also for illegalities. Any Dictator-like behavior is suspect as well.
>
> Just beginning to lift Nova Roma from her weakened state will take all the resources we have. This is not the time to exclude the people, the citizens.
>
> Simul Triumphamus, valete optime,
>
> L. Iulia Aquila
> Aedilis Curulis
>
> Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus
>

I am still listed at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_America_Boreoccidentalis_-_Praetorium_%28Nova_Roma%29

as

Legata pro praetore

Marcus Cornelius Felix

i am getting email from people in the pov wanting to talk with/ join etc

SALVE CORNELI FELIX!
 
Pages were updated. Thanks.
 
VALE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

--- On Tue, 11/9/10, william <magewuffa@...> wrote:


From: william <magewuffa@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] import info
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 8:42 PM


 



I am still listed at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_America_Boreoccidentalis_-_Praetorium_%28Nova_Roma%29

as

Legata pro praetore

Marcus Cornelius Felix

i am getting email from people in the pov wanting to talk with/ join etc











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In a message dated 11/9/2010 12:53:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lathyrus77@... writes:

I wouldn't include Palladius in your group. At least not the group he's
referring to.

===
Anna you are like a tarnished brass ase. Always turning up when you least
expect it.

To not include D. Iunius Palladius Censor and Consul in any discussion of
the original organizers of Nova Roma is insulting to that person and his
endeavors.

We are all and always have been about Nova Roma first. We are not
"chosen" to save anything, and deflection from the attempted coup by other issues
fails to change that.

Q. Fabius Maximus




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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem IV Idus Novembris; haec dies comitialis est.


"The foundation of Alexandria in Egypt is stated to have taken place
this year [327 B.C.], and also the assassination of Alexander of
Epirus at the hands of a Lucanian refugee, an event which fulfilled
the oracular prediction of the Dodonean Jupiter. When he was invited
by the Tarentines into Italy, he received a warning to beware of the
water of Acheron and the city of Pandosia; for it was there that the
limits of his destiny were fixed. This made him cross over into Italy
all the sooner, that he might be as far as possible from the city of
Pandosia in Epirus and the river Acheron, which flows from Molossis
into the Infernal Marshes and finally empties itself into the
Thesprotian Gulf. But, as often happens, in trying to avoid his fate
he rushed upon it. He won many victories over the nationalities of
Southern Italy, inflicting numerous defeats upon the legions of
Bruttium and Lucania, capturing the city of Heraclea, a colony of
settlers from Tarentum, taking Potentia from the Lucanians, Sipontum
from the Apulians, Consentia and Terina from the Bruttii and other
cities belonging to the Messapians and Lucanians. He sent three
hundred noble families to Epirus to be detained there as hostages. The
circumstances under which he met his death were these. He had taken up
a permanent position on three hills not far from the city of Pandosia
which is close to the frontiers of the Lucanians and Bruttii. From
this point he made incursions into every part of the enemy's
territory, and on these expeditions he had as a bodyguard some two
hundred Lucanian refugees, in whose fidelity he placed confidence, but
who, like most of their countrymen, were given to changing their minds
as their fortunes changed. Continuous rains had inundated the whole
country and prevented the three divisions of the army from mutually
supporting each other, the level ground between the hills being
impassable. While they were in this condition two out of the three
divisions were suddenly attacked in the king's absence and
overwhelmed. After annihilating them the enemy invested the third
hill, where the king was present in person. The Lucanian refugees
managed to communicate with their countrymen, and promised, if a safe
return were guaranteed to them, to place the king in their hands alive
or dead. Alexander, with a picked body of troops, cut his way, with
splendid courage, through the enemy, and meeting the Lucanian general
slew him after a hand to hand fight. Then getting together those of
his men who were scattered in flight, he rode towards the ruins of a
bridge which had been carried away by the floods and came to a river.
Whilst his men were fording it with very uncertain footing, a soldier,
almost spent by his exertions and his fears, cursed the river for its
unlucky name, and said, "Rightly art thou called Acheros!" When these
words fell on his ear the king at once recalled to mind the oracular
warning, and stopped, doubtful whether to cross or not. Sotimus, one
of his personal attendants, asked him why he hesitated at such a
critical moment and drew his attention to the suspicious movements of
the Lucanian refugees who were evidently meditating treachery. The
king looked back and saw them coming on in a compact body; he at once
drew his sword and spurred his horse through the middle of the river.
He had already reached the shallow water on the other side when one of
the refugees some distance away transfixed him with a javelin. He fell
from his horse, and his lifeless body with the weapon sticking in it
was carried down by the current to that part of the bank where the
enemy were stationed. There it was horribly mutilated. After cutting
it through the middle they sent one half to Consentia and kept the
other to make sport of. Whilst they were pelting it at a distance with
darts and stones a solitary woman ventured among the rabble who were
showing such incredible brutality and implored them to desist. She
told them amid her tears that her husband and children were held
prisoners by the enemy and she hoped to ransom them with the king's
body however much it might have been disfigured. This put an end to
the outrages. What was left of the limbs was cremated at Consentia by
the reverential care of this one woman, and the bones were sent back
to Metapontum; from there they were carried to Cleopatra, the king's
wife, and Olympias, his sister, the latter of whom was the mother, the
former the sister of Alexander the Great. I thought it well to give
this brief account of the tragic end of Alexander of Epirus, for
although Fortune kept him from hostilities with Rome, the wars he
waged in Italy entitle him to a place in this history." - Livy,
History of Rome 8.24


"Euripides and Sophocles and many others have said of her that she
boasted that she excelled the Nereids in beauty. For this she was put
among the constellations, seated in a chair. On account of her
impiety, as the sky turns, she seems to be carried along lying on her
back." - Hyginus, Astronomica II.10

Today is the culmination of the constellation Cassiopeia - it
reaches its zenith in the night sky. Cassiopeia was the wife of
Cepheus, the Ethiopian king of Joppa (now known as Jaffa, in Israel),
and the mother of Andromeda. The queen was both beautiful and vain,
and the story of how her vanity caused great distress is told in
relation to the constellation Andromeda. After promising her daughter
in marriage to Perseus, Cassiopeia had second thoughts. She convinced
one of Poseidon's sons, Agenor, to disrupt the ceremony by claiming
Andromeda for himself. Agenor arrived with an entire army, and a
fierce struggle ensued. In the battle Cassiopeia is said to have
cried "Perseus must die". At any rate it was Perseus who was
victorious, with the help of the Gorgon's head. Perseus had recently
slain Medusa, the Gorgon, and had put its head in a bed of coral. He
retrieved the head and waved it in midst of the warring wedding party,
instantly turning them all to stone. In the group was both Cepheus and
Cassiopeia. A contrite Poseidon put both father and mother in the
heavens. But because of Cassiopeia's vanity, he placed her in a chair
which revolves around the Pole Star, so half the time she's obliged to
sit upside down. The Romans knew Cassiopeia as "Muller Sedis", the
"Woman of the Chair"; or simply as "Sedes", qualified by "regalis" or
"regia".



In ancient Latvia, today was celebrated as the festival of Martini.
Martini was celebrated to mark the end of the autumn and the beginning
of winter. The festival marks the transfer from Usins to Martins, two
deities of horses. The god Usins is invoked during the summer, while
Martins is a winter god. The festival marked the end of the
preparations for winter, such as salting meat and fish, storing the
harvest and making preserves. Martini also marked the beginning of
masquerading and sledding, among other wintry activities.



Valete bene!

Cato

Really Caesar? And I've hardly posted at all to the BA in months. But it is
nice to know that I am still important enough to have enemies ha ha ha!!
Vale,
Diana

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar" <gn_iulius_caesar@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Resignation from the Board of Directors


You got a honourable mention in his ranting post as well Diana. I think you
were included in the list of evil plotters on the Back Alley seeking to
undermine the morals of NR and overthrow the religio piscina.

Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:

>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/9/2010 12:53:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> lathyrus77@... writes:
>
> I wouldn't include Palladius in your group. At least not the group he's
> referring to.
>
> ===
> Anna you are like a tarnished brass ase. Always turning up when you least
> expect it.
>
> To not include D. Iunius Palladius Censor and Consul in any discussion of
> the original organizers of Nova Roma is insulting to that person and his
> endeavors.
>

Salve,

Except no one was referring to original organizers. The group that he was referring to was more about people who have been destructive to Nova Roma, causing people to resign, being impious, etc. Palladius is not one of these people.


Vale,

Anna Bucci

SALVETE!

The Collegium Pontificum is called into session starting with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.III Id Nov 2763 a.U.c (Thursday 11 November 2010) until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.XII Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c (Saturday 20 November 2010)

The session schedule.

Contio:

Starting with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.III Id Nov 2763 a.U.c (Thursday 11 November 2010) until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on pr. Id Nov 2763 a.U.c (Friday 12 November 2010).
The session is suspended on Id Nov and a.d. XVIII Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c (Saturday 13 and Sunday 14 November 2010).
The discussions will continue with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XVII Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c (Monday 15 November 2010) until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d. XVI Kal Dec (Tuesday 16 November 2010).

Vote:

Starting with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XV Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c (Wednesday 17 November 2010) and conclude at 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XII Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c (Saturday, 20 November 2763).

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS

Unique item of agenda:
Collegium Pontificum elect a new Pontifex Maximus from the list of available pontifices. They are:
- Pontifex M. Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
- Pontifex Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.
- Pontifex Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus.
- Pontifex K. Fabius Buteo Modianus.
- Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus.
- Pontifex T. Iulius Sabinus.
- Pontifex M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
Pontifices who want to withdraw their names form the list, can inform the Collegium Pontificum during the contio.

VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus
Pontifex.

Ave Pontiff,

Would it be easier from the start to at least remove those pontiffs from the
list who have not paid their tax?

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:

>
>
> SALVETE!
>
> The Collegium Pontificum is called into session starting with 07.00
> hr.(Rome time) on a.d.III Id Nov 2763 a.U.c (Thursday 11 November 2010)
> until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.XII Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c (Saturday 20
> November 2010)
>
> The session schedule.
>
> Contio:
>
> Starting with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.III Id Nov 2763 a.U.c (Thursday
> 11 November 2010) until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on pr. Id Nov 2763 a.U.c
> (Friday 12 November 2010).
> The session is suspended on Id Nov and a.d. XVIII Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c
> (Saturday 13 and Sunday 14 November 2010).
> The discussions will continue with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XVII Kal Dec
> 2763 a.U.c (Monday 15 November 2010) until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d. XVI
> Kal Dec (Tuesday 16 November 2010).
>
> Vote:
>
> Starting with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XV Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c (Wednesday
> 17 November 2010) and conclude at 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XII Kal Dec
> 2763 a.U.c (Saturday, 20 November 2763).
>
> QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS
>
> Unique item of agenda:
> Collegium Pontificum elect a new Pontifex Maximus from the list of
> available pontifices. They are:
> - Pontifex M. Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
> - Pontifex Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.
> - Pontifex Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus.
> - Pontifex K. Fabius Buteo Modianus.
> - Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus.
> - Pontifex T. Iulius Sabinus.
> - Pontifex M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
> Pontifices who want to withdraw their names form the list, can inform the
> Collegium Pontificum during the contio.
>
> VALETE,
> T. Iulius Sabinus
> Pontifex.
>
>
>


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SALVE!
 
The Collegium Pontificum has its own regulation. In our case only the PM can remove other religious officials for not paying the tax. The current PM is not listed as taxpayer therefore is improper for him to take action against other in the same situation.
The new PM can take decisions in that problem. Until then all pontifices have equal chances.
 
VALE,
T. Iulius Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

--- On Wed, 11/10/10, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:


From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The Collegium Pontificum is called into session.
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 4:36 PM


Ave Pontiff,

Would it be easier from the start to at least remove those pontiffs from the
list who have not paid their tax?

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:

>
>
> SALVETE!
>
> The Collegium Pontificum is called into session starting with 07.00
> hr.(Rome time) on a.d.III Id Nov 2763 a.U.c (Thursday 11 November 2010)
> until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.XII Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c (Saturday 20
> November 2010)
>
> The session schedule.
>
> Contio:
>
> Starting with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.III Id Nov 2763 a.U.c (Thursday
> 11 November 2010) until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on pr. Id Nov 2763 a.U.c
> (Friday 12 November 2010).
> The session is suspended on Id Nov and a.d. XVIII Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c
> (Saturday 13 and Sunday 14 November 2010).
> The discussions will continue with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XVII Kal Dec
> 2763 a.U.c (Monday 15 November 2010) until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d. XVI
> Kal Dec (Tuesday 16 November 2010).
>
> Vote:
>
> Starting with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XV Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c (Wednesday
> 17 November 2010) and conclude at 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XII Kal Dec
> 2763 a.U.c (Saturday, 20 November 2763).
>
> QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS
>
> Unique item of agenda:
> Collegium Pontificum elect a new Pontifex Maximus from the list of
> available pontifices. They are:
> - Pontifex M. Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
> - Pontifex Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.
> - Pontifex Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus.
> - Pontifex K. Fabius Buteo Modianus.
> - Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus.
> - Pontifex T. Iulius Sabinus.
> - Pontifex M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
> Pontifices who want to withdraw their names form the list, can inform the
> Collegium Pontificum during the contio.
>
> VALETE,
> T. Iulius Sabinus
> Pontifex.
>
> 
>


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Ave!

Thank you for the explanation. It is very appreciated.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:43 AM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>wrote:

>
>
> SALVE!
>
> The Collegium Pontificum has its own regulation. In our case only the PM
> can remove other religious officials for not paying the tax. The current PM
> is not listed as taxpayer therefore is improper for him to take action
> against other in the same situation.
> The new PM can take decisions in that problem. Until then all pontifices
> have equal chances.
>
> VALE,
> T. Iulius Sabinus
>
> "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius
>
> --- On Wed, 11/10/10, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The Collegium Pontificum is called into session.
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 4:36 PM
>
>
> Ave Pontiff,
>
> Would it be easier from the start to at least remove those pontiffs from
> the
> list who have not paid their tax?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...<iulius_sabinus%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > SALVETE!
> >
> > The Collegium Pontificum is called into session starting with 07.00
> > hr.(Rome time) on a.d.III Id Nov 2763 a.U.c (Thursday 11 November 2010)
> > until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.XII Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c (Saturday 20
> > November 2010)
> >
> > The session schedule.
> >
> > Contio:
> >
> > Starting with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.III Id Nov 2763 a.U.c (Thursday
> > 11 November 2010) until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on pr. Id Nov 2763 a.U.c
> > (Friday 12 November 2010).
> > The session is suspended on Id Nov and a.d. XVIII Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c
> > (Saturday 13 and Sunday 14 November 2010).
> > The discussions will continue with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XVII Kal
> Dec
> > 2763 a.U.c (Monday 15 November 2010) until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.
> XVI
> > Kal Dec (Tuesday 16 November 2010).
> >
> > Vote:
> >
> > Starting with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XV Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c
> (Wednesday
> > 17 November 2010) and conclude at 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XII Kal Dec
> > 2763 a.U.c (Saturday, 20 November 2763).
> >
> > QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS
> >
> > Unique item of agenda:
> > Collegium Pontificum elect a new Pontifex Maximus from the list of
> > available pontifices. They are:
> > - Pontifex M. Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
> > - Pontifex Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.
> > - Pontifex Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus.
> > - Pontifex K. Fabius Buteo Modianus.
> > - Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus.
> > - Pontifex T. Iulius Sabinus.
> > - Pontifex M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
> > Pontifices who want to withdraw their names form the list, can inform the
> > Collegium Pontificum during the contio.
> >
> > VALETE,
> > T. Iulius Sabinus
> > Pontifex.
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
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SALVE!
 
You are welcome.
 
VALE,
Sabinus

"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

--- On Wed, 11/10/10, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:


From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The Collegium Pontificum is called into session.
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 4:44 PM


Ave!

Thank you for the explanation.  It is very appreciated.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:43 AM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>wrote:

>
>
> SALVE!
>
> The Collegium Pontificum has its own regulation. In our case only the PM
> can remove other religious officials for not paying the tax. The current PM
> is not listed as taxpayer therefore is improper for him to take action
> against other in the same situation.
> The new PM can take decisions in that problem. Until then all pontifices
> have equal chances.
>
> VALE,
> T. Iulius Sabinus
>
> "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius
>
> --- On Wed, 11/10/10, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The Collegium Pontificum is called into session.
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 4:36 PM
>
>
> Ave Pontiff,
>
> Would it be easier from the start to at least remove those pontiffs from
> the
> list who have not paid their tax?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...<iulius_sabinus%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > SALVETE!
> >
> > The Collegium Pontificum is called into session starting with 07.00
> > hr.(Rome time) on a.d.III Id Nov 2763 a.U.c (Thursday 11 November 2010)
> > until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.XII Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c (Saturday 20
> > November 2010)
> >
> > The session schedule.
> >
> > Contio:
> >
> > Starting with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.III Id Nov 2763 a.U.c (Thursday
> > 11 November 2010) until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on pr. Id Nov 2763 a.U.c
> > (Friday 12 November 2010).
> > The session is suspended on Id Nov and a.d. XVIII Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c
> > (Saturday 13 and Sunday 14 November 2010).
> > The discussions will continue with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XVII Kal
> Dec
> > 2763 a.U.c (Monday 15 November 2010) until 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.
> XVI
> > Kal Dec (Tuesday 16 November 2010).
> >
> > Vote:
> >
> > Starting with 07.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XV Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c
> (Wednesday
> > 17 November 2010) and conclude at 19.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d XII Kal Dec
> > 2763 a.U.c (Saturday, 20 November 2763).
> >
> > QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS
> >
> > Unique item of agenda:
> > Collegium Pontificum elect a new Pontifex Maximus from the list of
> > available pontifices. They are:
> > - Pontifex M. Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
> > - Pontifex Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.
> > - Pontifex Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus.
> > - Pontifex K. Fabius Buteo Modianus.
> > - Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus.
> > - Pontifex T. Iulius Sabinus.
> > - Pontifex M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus.
> > Pontifices who want to withdraw their names form the list, can inform the
> > Collegium Pontificum during the contio.
> >
> > VALETE,
> > T. Iulius Sabinus
> > Pontifex.
> >
> >
> >
>
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Ave!

Impious? You mean kinda like hanging out at Stormfront? LOL sheesh!

You do remember Palladius gave you the nickname that many of us used in
the. How convenient she forgets.

Vale,

Sulla

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 8:08 PM, lathyrus77 <lathyrus77@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/9/2010 12:53:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > lathyrus77@... writes:
> >
> > I wouldn't include Palladius in your group. At least not the group he's
> > referring to.
> >
> > ===
> > Anna you are like a tarnished brass ase. Always turning up when you least
>
> > expect it.
> >
> > To not include D. Iunius Palladius Censor and Consul in any discussion of
>
> > the original organizers of Nova Roma is insulting to that person and his
> > endeavors.
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> Except no one was referring to original organizers. The group that he was
> referring to was more about people who have been destructive to Nova Roma,
> causing people to resign, being impious, etc. Palladius is not one of these
> people.
>
> Vale,
>
> Anna Bucci
>
>
>


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Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave!
>
> Impious? You mean kinda like hanging out at Stormfront? LOL sheesh!
>


If by "hanging out at stormfront" you mean "disregarding the gods of Rome" then yes.



> You do remember Palladius gave you the nickname that many of us used in
> the. How convenient she forgets.
>

Palladius is good people. You are not.


Vale,

Anna Bucci

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodie est ante diem III Idus Novembris; haec dies comitialis est.


"A lectisternium took place this year [326 B.C.], the fifth since the
foundation of the City, and the same deities were propitiated in this
as in the former one. The new consuls, acting on the orders of the
people, sent heralds to deliver a formal declaration of war to the
Samnites, and made all their preparations on a much greater scale for
this war than for the one against the Greeks. New and unexpected
succours were forthcoming, for the Lucanians and Apulians, with whom
Rome had up to that time established no relations, came forward with
offers to make an alliance and promised armed assistance; a friendly
alliance was formed with them. Meantime the operations in Samnium were
attended with success, the towns of Allifae, Callifae, and Rufrium
passed into the hands of the Romans, and ever since the consuls had
entered the country the rest of the territory was ravaged far and
wide. Whilst this war was commencing thus favourably, the other war
against the Greeks was approaching its close. Not only were the two
towns Palaeopolis and Neapolis cut off from all communication with
each other by the enemy's lines, but the townsfolk within the walls
were practically prisoners to their own defenders, and were suffering
more from them than from anything which the outside enemy could do;
their wives and children were exposed to such extreme indignities as
are only inflicted when cities are stormed and sacked. A report
reached them that succours were coming from Tarentum and from the
Samnites. They considered that they had more Samnites than they wanted
already within their walls, but the force from Tarentum composed of
Greeks, they were prepared to welcome, being Greeks themselves, and
through their means they hoped to resist the Samnites and the Nolans
no less than the Romans. At last, surrender to the Romans seemed the
less of the two evils. Charilaus and Nymphius, the leading men in the
city, arranged with one another the respective parts they were to
play. One was to desert to the Roman commander, the other to remain in
the city and prepare it for the successful execution of their plot.
Charilaus was the one who went to Publilius Philo. After expressing
the hope that all might turn out for the good and happiness of
Palaeopolis and Rome, he went on to say that he had decided to deliver
up the fortifications. Whether in doing this he should be found to
have preserved his country or betrayed it depended upon the Roman
sense of honour. For himself he made no terms and asked for no
conditions, but for his countrymen he begged rather than stipulated
that if his design succeeded the people of Rome should take into
consideration the eagerness with which they sought to renew the old
friendly relations, and the risk attending their action rather than
their folly and recklessness in breaking the old ties of duty. The
Roman commander gave his approval to the proposed scheme and furnished
him with 3000 men to seize that part of the city which was in the
occupation of the Samnites. L. Quinctius, a military tribune, was in
command of this force." - Livy, History of Rome 8.25



Today is the feast day of St. Martin of Tours. While on horseback in
Amiens in Gaul (modern France), he encountered a naked beggar and
impulsively cut his own military cloak in half and shared it.

The monastery that he founded, known in Latin as the "Larger Monastery" or Maius monasterium became known as Marmoutier in later French. The words "chapel" and "chaplain" come from "cappella", "short cloak" in Latin. The men charged with preserving St Martin's cloak were called the "cappellani" or "chaplains" and from them was applied the name "capellam" to the royal oratory that was not a regular church, but a "chapel".

According to legend, Martin walked once on a pilgrimage to Rome, meeting on the road Satan, who ridiculed him for not riding, as a bishop ought. Martin turned the Devil into a mule, then rode him, spurring the lazy beast on with the sign of the cross. The Devil cursed him with a doublet of Latin palindromes:

"Signa te Signa: temere me tangis et angis --- Roma tibi subito
motibus ibit amor"

meaning,

"Cross, cross thyself: thou plaguest and vexest me without necessity;
for, owing to my exertions, thou wilt soon reach Rome, the object of
thy wishes."



"To us in America, the reflections of Armistice Day will be filled
with solemn pride in the heroism of those who died in the country's
service and with gratitude for the victory, both because of the thing
from which it has freed us and because of the opportunity it has given
America to show her sympathy with peace and justice in the councils of
the nation." - U.S. President Woodrow Wilson, proclaiming Armistice
Day on 11 November A.D. 1919

Today is Armistice, or Veterans', Day. Armistice Day is the
anniversary of the official end of World War I, November 11, 1918. It
commemorates the armistice signed between the Allies and Germany at
Rethondes in Compiegne, France, for the cessation of hostilities on
the Western Front, which took effect at eleven o'clock in the morning
— the "eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month." While
this official date to mark the end of the war reflects the ceasefire
on the Western Front, hostilities continued in other regions,
especially across the former Russian Empire and in parts of the old
Ottoman Empire. After World War II, it was changed to "Veterans' Day"
in the United States.


Valete bene!

Cato

C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

I beg your indulgence, because I wish to take a few moments to talk about
this day, and what it means, at least to me. When I was an impressionable
little girl (in a Universe long, long ago), Veterans Day, November 11, was
celebrated as Armistice Day, and essentially commemorated the end of the
First World War. Implicit in that celebration, though, was the remembrance,
and honoring of all war dead, from all Nations, no matter for whom they
fought, or why.

At 11:11 AM, we would stop what we wee doing (this was at recess, so that
usually meant I was outside), and TAPS would be played over our loud
speakers. I wasn't sure why, or what, exactly I was doing, but it felt
right and appropriate to stand quietly, head bowed, and as I grew older, and
learned, this little custom became more and more precious to me.

Therefore, today, I sit quietly for a few minutes, and consider, honor and
pray to the gods for the peace of, all who died in war, no matter their
politics, their Nation, or there relationship to my Nation. I will
specifically honor my own (Nationally and personally) war dead on Memorial
Day, but today, I am reminded that destruction, devastation and loss do not
respect national boundaries, and the suffering they create is universal.

Courage, valor and the willingness to perform one's duty, even to the last
breath, also have no national boundaries, and those who were so devoted to
their countries have become, in truth, a brotherhood (and yes, that
emphatically includes women, I use the word as all-encompassing) of honor,
and I offer reverence for their virtue, and also to the bravery and
endurance of those loved ones they left behind, who found it necessary to
continue in the face of the vacuum left by the loss of a beloved one. This,
too, counts when tallying the cost and the duties of war, although it is
seldom spoken of.

We have expanded our celebration of this day to include all Veterans, of all
wars, and I think that is more than appropriate, but, I also think that,
because it was the First World War that changed the face of conflict
forever, and was the first war to include participants from virtually every
corner of the Earth, it is good to remember how, and why, the day became
special and sacred. to that end, as I always do, on the day, I quote the
famous WWI poem, "In Flanders Fields" as a reminder, and, perhaps, a focus
for meditation, should you choose to do that.

With profound respect to each of you, and with deepest reverence to those we
celebrate today,

Valete,
C. Maria Caeca, Sacerdos Vestae

In Flanders Fields
by John McCrae, May 1915


In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.


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P. Memmius Albucius cos. and co-president to all Nova Roma Inc. directors (�senators�)


Considering that I have taken at dawn, this a.d. IV Idus Nov. 2763 auc (We. 10 Nov., 2010), the auspices for the good holding of a session of the Board, as far as it is concerned as Senatus romanus and under Nova Roma internal rules ;

Considering that these auspices were favorable ;

Considering that it is however necessary, in the current period lived by our Corporation (�Republic�), that the requirements and protection of the incorporation Law (MRSA) be respected in the best conformity of the internal rules of our community (Roman Laws) ;

Quod bonum felixque sit populo romano quiritium, I :

Art. 1 : hereby convene the Board of Nova Roma for a session. Its advice and/or decision is asked, in the frame of this session, on the agenda presented in the relatio below ;

Art. 2 : The time table of the whole session is the following one, every hour being expressed for Rome time:
a)
4.1. Session
Beginning: sunset, pr. idus Nov. (Nov. 12) ; end: sunset a.d. XIII Kal. Dec. (Nov. 19)
4.2. Contio
Beginning: 13:00 hour, pr. idus Nov. (Nov. 12) ; end: 13:00 hour, a.d. XV Kal. Dec. (Nov. 17)
4.3. Vote
Beginning: 14:00 hour, a.d. XV Kal. Dec. (Nov. 17) ; end: sunset - � h a.d. XIII Kal. Dec. (Nov. 19)


b) The session will be suspended on the Ides of November, dies nefastus publicus (Nov. 13, 2763), and the Senate-Board therefore be closed.




Art. 5 : The relatio ('agenda') of the present session is the following one:

Item I � Elections � entry in office (date) � tribunes and other mag. - SCU suspending the constitution (discussion + vote)
Item II � Financial report and other financial and fiscal NR Inc. obligations � request from former sen. Moravius - official position of Nova Roma (discussion + vote)
Item III � Sexual harassment � request from former sen. Moravius - official position of Nova Roma (discussion + vote)
Item IV � Equites � Annual financial contribution - applicability in time (discussion + vote)
Item V � Taxes 2764 auc � Amount - magistrates, officers and citizens respective status (discussion + vote)
Item VI � Religious colleges - CP - Election of a new PM (information)



Art. 6 : The items mentioned in the article 5 may be completed in the following days and no later than Nov. 15, by additional items or, for further information, by attached documents, which will be placed as usual in the Board ('Senatus Romanus') files section.



Thanks for your attention, Senators-directors. Have all a good session and valete, Matres Patresque.



P. Memmius Albucius cos.
1st co-president



Datum a.d. III Idus Nov. 2763 auc (Nov. 11, 2010 cc)

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Salve Maria Caeca,

VERY NICE and well said.

...."Veterans Day, November 11, was celebrated as Armistice Day, .... and before it was Armistice Day, it was Decoration day for the service men of the American Civil War.

PAX

Vale

Ti. Galerius Paulinus




To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: c.mariacaeca@...
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:40:11 -0500
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Rememberance






C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

I beg your indulgence, because I wish to take a few moments to talk about
this day, and what it means, at least to me. When I was an impressionable
little girl (in a Universe long, long ago), Veterans Day, November 11, was
celebrated as Armistice Day, and essentially commemorated the end of the
First World War. Implicit in that celebration, though, was the remembrance,
and honoring of all war dead, from all Nations, no matter for whom they
fought, or why.

At 11:11 AM, we would stop what we wee doing (this was at recess, so that
usually meant I was outside), and TAPS would be played over our loud
speakers. I wasn't sure why, or what, exactly I was doing, but it felt
right and appropriate to stand quietly, head bowed, and as I grew older, and
learned, this little custom became more and more precious to me.

Therefore, today, I sit quietly for a few minutes, and consider, honor and
pray to the gods for the peace of, all who died in war, no matter their
politics, their Nation, or there relationship to my Nation. I will
specifically honor my own (Nationally and personally) war dead on Memorial
Day, but today, I am reminded that destruction, devastation and loss do not
respect national boundaries, and the suffering they create is universal.

Courage, valor and the willingness to perform one's duty, even to the last
breath, also have no national boundaries, and those who were so devoted to
their countries have become, in truth, a brotherhood (and yes, that
emphatically includes women, I use the word as all-encompassing) of honor,
and I offer reverence for their virtue, and also to the bravery and
endurance of those loved ones they left behind, who found it necessary to
continue in the face of the vacuum left by the loss of a beloved one. This,
too, counts when tallying the cost and the duties of war, although it is
seldom spoken of.

We have expanded our celebration of this day to include all Veterans, of all
wars, and I think that is more than appropriate, but, I also think that,
because it was the First World War that changed the face of conflict
forever, and was the first war to include participants from virtually every
corner of the Earth, it is good to remember how, and why, the day became
special and sacred. to that end, as I always do, on the day, I quote the
famous WWI poem, "In Flanders Fields" as a reminder, and, perhaps, a focus
for meditation, should you choose to do that.

With profound respect to each of you, and with deepest reverence to those we
celebrate today,

Valete,
C. Maria Caeca, Sacerdos Vestae

In Flanders Fields
by John McCrae, May 1915

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

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C. Maria Caeca T. Gallerio Paulino Senatori S. P. D.

Thank you, Senator for correcting my error. I always forget this, and I
should not. I intended no disrespect, however.

Vale,
CMC

Caecae Paulino s.d.

Living near these "killing fields" and being requested, as official, to attend Nov. 11 ceremonies in Gallia, I can confirm that this day is still an important one, even if youths, year after year, are forgetting the signification of this celebration.

All French surviving soldiers are now dead, since last year. A new period begins. More than ever, the work on memory must goes on and get improved.

From a Roman point of view, we cannot but keep in mind the courage of the individuals and of their families, and the conditions (cold, mud..) in which these soldiers lived. I know that today, like Paulinus, some of us have a special thoughts for parents who fought, suffered and are gone.

We must tell ourselves that, for the Rome we live and like too, the importance of keeping our memory alive, and teaching the new generations, is essential.


Vale Vestalis,


P. Memmius Albucius cos.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
>
> I beg your indulgence, because I wish to take a few moments to talk about
> this day, and what it means, at least to me. When I was an impressionable
> little girl (in a Universe long, long ago), Veterans Day, November 11, was
> celebrated as Armistice Day, and essentially commemorated the end of the
> First World War. Implicit in that celebration, though, was the remembrance,
> and honoring of all war dead, from all Nations, no matter for whom they
> fought, or why.
>
> At 11:11 AM, we would stop what we wee doing (this was at recess, so that
> usually meant I was outside), and TAPS would be played over our loud
> speakers. I wasn't sure why, or what, exactly I was doing, but it felt
> right and appropriate to stand quietly, head bowed, and as I grew older, and
> learned, this little custom became more and more precious to me.
>
> Therefore, today, I sit quietly for a few minutes, and consider, honor and
> pray to the gods for the peace of, all who died in war, no matter their
> politics, their Nation, or there relationship to my Nation. I will
> specifically honor my own (Nationally and personally) war dead on Memorial
> Day, but today, I am reminded that destruction, devastation and loss do not
> respect national boundaries, and the suffering they create is universal.
>
> Courage, valor and the willingness to perform one's duty, even to the last
> breath, also have no national boundaries, and those who were so devoted to
> their countries have become, in truth, a brotherhood (and yes, that
> emphatically includes women, I use the word as all-encompassing) of honor,
> and I offer reverence for their virtue, and also to the bravery and
> endurance of those loved ones they left behind, who found it necessary to
> continue in the face of the vacuum left by the loss of a beloved one. This,
> too, counts when tallying the cost and the duties of war, although it is
> seldom spoken of.
>
> We have expanded our celebration of this day to include all Veterans, of all
> wars, and I think that is more than appropriate, but, I also think that,
> because it was the First World War that changed the face of conflict
> forever, and was the first war to include participants from virtually every
> corner of the Earth, it is good to remember how, and why, the day became
> special and sacred. to that end, as I always do, on the day, I quote the
> famous WWI poem, "In Flanders Fields" as a reminder, and, perhaps, a focus
> for meditation, should you choose to do that.
>
> With profound respect to each of you, and with deepest reverence to those we
> celebrate today,
>
> Valete,
> C. Maria Caeca, Sacerdos Vestae
>
> In Flanders Fields
> by John McCrae, May 1915
>
>
> In Flanders fields the poppies blow
> Between the crosses, row on row,
> That mark our place; and in the sky
> The larks, still bravely singing, fly
> Scarce heard amid the guns below.
>
> We are the Dead. Short days ago
> We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
> Loved and were loved, and now we lie
> In Flanders fields.
>
> Take up our quarrel with the foe:
> To you from failing hands we throw
> The torch; be yours to hold it high.
> If ye break faith with us who die
> We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
> In Flanders fields.
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Italy: Would you like fries with your art history?

Ex-McDonald's executive aims to bring corporate savvy to Italy's financially
troubled museums and monuments.


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Correspondent / January 28, 2010
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Italy's museums and monuments under the stewardship of a former McDonald's
director has heritage guardians spluttering, fearing a "McDonaldization" of
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Mario Resca's appointment as "supermanager" of Italy's hundreds of state
museums and archaeological sites has pitched the dusty realms of curatorship
against a hard-edged business environment. Even his title � he is tasked
with the *valorizzazione*, or value-adding, of Italy's heritage � rattles
some museum directors.

Mr. Resca is now fine-tuning a master plan that, he hopes, will achieve
double-digit growth in visitors and revenue. He dismisses fears that his
appointment heralds the beginning of an era of tawdry commercialization.

He will not, he assures, offer fries with visits to the Uffizi in
Florence<http://www.csmonitor.com/1996/1224/122496.home.home.2.html>,
raise the Golden Arches over art galleries, or rebrand Donatello as
McDonatello. But he will bring the language of the boardroom to the
byzantine world of museum administration. "I see visitors as customers,
clients. When you come to one of my museums, you are a guest, and your needs
should be satisfied," he says.

He wants clearer explanations of what visitors see, better catering (not
necessarily McDonald's, he stresses), and welcoming staff. Changing the
funding of museums and monuments is a top priority. "Until now, the revenue
from ticket sales went into a big central government pot instead of to the
Culture Ministry," he says.

"If a light bulb broke at the Colos seum, they'd have to apply for funds to
buy a new one," Resca says. "By the time they got the money, another 10
would have broken. People told me, 'but it's always been like that.' But it
lacks all common sense."

With the Culture Ministry's budget facing cuts of $1.3 billion over the next
three years, Resca says that flagship attractions like the Colosseum must
pay their way by hosting, say, the launch of a new car. As long as care is
taken not to damage venues, he says, there is no reason why such
partnerships cannot succeed.

The appointment of Resca, a specialist in turning around ailing companies,
was part of a recognition that a country blessed with artistic gems often
seems unable to look after them. Foreign tourists are often shocked to find
stray dogs roaming the ancient city of Pompeii, drifts of litter between the
marble columns of Rome's Forum, and poor signage.

It also reflects the view that Italy must look to its past to ensure growth
and jobs in the future. "The era of factories is over," Resca says. "Our
future must lie in cultural tourism."

For a nation with native sons Leonardo da Vinci, Michel an gelo, and
Caravaggio, Italy punches way below its weight. Of the world's 10
most-visited museums, not one is Italian (the Vatican museums are part of
the independent city state of the Holy See).

The Louvre in Paris attracts 8.5 million visitors a year, and the British
Museum in London, 5 million. The Uffizi in Florence? Just 1.5 million.

"Twenty years ago, Italy was the No. 1 tourist destination in the world. Now
we're the sixth," says Resca. As head of McDonald's Italian operations for
12 years, he was seen by the museum world as a hostile outsider.

Resca claims he has assuaged many critics by touring museums and listening
to concerns rather than lecturing in management-speak. But he wants to see
more marketing and merchandising. "You go to the Louvre and you find Mona
Lisa T-shirts, Mona Lisa fridge magnets, Mona Lisa spoons," he says. "And
the Mona Lisa is by Leonardo da Vinci, who is Italian! We can learn from
that example."

And perhaps from another: Paris recently gave permission for a McDonald's to
open inside the Louvre.


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Salvete omnes

"At the going down of the sun, and in the morning, we will remember them".

Valete omnes
Crispus

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus C. Mariae Caecae salutem dicit

As a veteran and coming from a long line of veterans I am pleased that you
took the time to mention the significance of this day.

Vale;

Modianus

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

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>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
>
> I beg your indulgence, because I wish to take a few moments to talk about
> this day, and what it means, at least to me. When I was an impressionable
> little girl (in a Universe long, long ago), Veterans Day, November 11, was
> celebrated as Armistice Day, and essentially commemorated the end of the
> First World War. Implicit in that celebration, though, was the remembrance,
>
> and honoring of all war dead, from all Nations, no matter for whom they
> fought, or why.
>


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Salve Caeca et Avete Omnes;

I have been able to trace veterans in my family line back to the early
1600's; none of them were "career men." All were men (and a few
women) who saw their duty to stand between danger and home.

None of my forebears died during this Sacred Service, but all gave of
themselves so that others need not. In my generation, this includes
my brother, my wife, a few cousins and me. Some of the children of
our generation have served or are serving.

Good Gods willing, Mankind will one day see the extinction of a need
for those who serve in this capacity.

But, we should never forget.

Thank you.

Venator - Machinatrix

Vermont National Guard '75 - '79 USAF Reserves '77 - '81
USAF Reserves '83 - '92 USAF '81 - '94

Avete,

The father of my great mother was in the French army on the Somme River near the
Flander Fields during the 4 years of the WWI and, when I was a child, I watched
many photographs (black and white) of him and his army pals. Unfortunately his
brother in law, the brother of his wife, died in the early first days of this
war, killed by Germans in the time when French soldiers wore very colored
uniforms. I read the last letter he sent to his parents...

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
pridie Idus Novembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.




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De : David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>
À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Jeu 11 novembre 2010, 19h 42min 35s
Objet : Re: [Nova-Roma] Rememberance

 
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus C. Mariae Caecae salutem dicit

As a veteran and coming from a long line of veterans I am pleased that you
took the time to mention the significance of this day.

Vale;

Modianus

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

>
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
>
> I beg your indulgence, because I wish to take a few moments to talk about
> this day, and what it means, at least to me. When I was an impressionable
> little girl (in a Universe long, long ago), Veterans Day, November 11, was
> celebrated as Armistice Day, and essentially commemorated the end of the
> First World War. Implicit in that celebration, though, was the remembrance,
>
> and honoring of all war dead, from all Nations, no matter for whom they
> fought, or why.
>

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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est pridie Idus Novembris; haec dies comitialis est.

"Nymphius at the same time approached the Samnite praetor and
persuaded him, now that the whole of the Roman fighting force was
either round Palaeopolis or engaged in Samnium, to allow him to sail
round with the fleet to the Roman seaboard and ravage not only the
coastal districts but even the country close to the city. But to
ensure secrecy he pointed out that it would be necessary to start by
night, and that the ships should be at once launched. To expedite
matters the whole of the Samnite troops, with the exception of those
who were mounting guard in the city, were sent down to the shore. Here
they were so crowded as to impede one another's movements and the
confusion was heightened by the darkness and the contradictory orders
which Nymphius was giving in order to gain time. Meantime Charilaus
had been admitted by his confederates into the city. When the Romans
had completely occupied the highest parts of the city, he ordered them
to raise a shout, on which the Greeks, acting on the instructions of
their leaders kept quiet. The Nolans escaped at the other end of the
city and took the road to Nola. The Samnites, shut out as they were
from the city, had less difficulty in getting away, but when once out
of danger they found themselves in a much more sorry flight. They had
no arms, there was nothing they possessed which was not left behind
with the enemy; they returned home stripped and destitute, an object
of derision not only to foreigners but even to their own countrymen. I
am quite aware that there is another view of this transaction,
according to which it was the Samnites who surrendered, but in the
above account I have followed the authorities whom I consider most
worthy of credit. Neapolis became subsequently the chief seat of the
Greek population, and the fact of a treaty being made with that city
renders it all the more probable that the re-establishment of friendly
relations was due to them. As it was generally believed that the enemy
had been forced by the siege to come to terms, a triumph was decreed
to Publilius. Two circumstances happened in connection with his
consulship which had never happened before-a prolongation of command
and a triumph after he had laid down his command." - Livy, History of
Rome 8.26


"O Jupiter Capitolinus, to You I pray, I entreat You, who the Roman
people have named Optimus after Your kindness and Maximus after Your
great power. And to You, O Juno Regina, guardian of the City of Rome.
O Minerva, You have always come to my aid with Your counsels, witness
to the existence of my works; And most especially to You, Penates, who
most of all has called me back, gods of my fathers and my family,
recalling me for the sake of your stations; And You who preside over
the City of Rome and the Republic, You I call to witness, You from
whose temple precincts and shrines did I repel the heinous and
destructive flames of impious duplicity; You also, Mother Vesta, I
pray to You, whose most chaste Vestales I have defended against
pillage and desecration by demented men; for their eternal flame I
could not allow to pass, extinguished in the blood of citizens, or
Your pure flame be intermingled with a conflagration sweeping the
entire city." - Cicero, De Domo sua ad Pontifices 144

"O Jupiter, it was through Your omen that I was led while I laid here
upon the Palatine Hill, to establish the very first foundations of the
city of Rome. Already the Arx, that fortress wickedly bought, is
seized by the Sabines, from whence they, with sword in hand, now
advance across the valley against us. But if You, Father of the Gods
and of men, hold back our enemies, at least from this spot, delivering
the Romans from their terror, and stay their shameful retreat, then
this I vow to You, Jupiter Stator, that a holy precinct and shrine
will be built in Your honor as a memorial to remind our descendents of
how once the city of Rome was saved by Your aid." - Livy, History of
Rome 1.12

Today begins a great three-day-long festival to Iuppiter, around which
the Ludi Plebii were celebrated. Iuppiter is the supreme god, also
called Iove. Originally a sky deity associated with rain and
agriculture, He developed into the great father god, prime protector
of the state, concerned, like the Greek Zeus (with whom He is
identified), with all aspects of life. At His temple on the Capitol,
triumphant generals honored Him with their spoils and magistrates paid
homage to Him with sacrifices. Iuppiter was the son of Saturn and Ops
and the brother and husband of Iuno. Some of His titles are:

1. Iuppiter Caelestis ("heavenly")
2. Iuppiter Fulgurator ("of the lightning")
3. Iuppiter Latarius ("God of Latium")
4. Iuppiter Lucetius ("of the light")
5. Iuppiter Pluvius ("sender of rain")
6. Iuppiter Stator ("who stands", from stare meaning "standing")
7. Iupiter Terminus or Jupiter Terminalus (defender of boundaries)
8. Iuppiter Tonans ("thunderer")
9. Iuppiter Victor (leading the Roman armies to victory)
10. Iuppiter Summanus (sender of nocturnal thunder)
11. Iuppiter Feretrius ("who carries away [the spoils of war]")

Iuppiter was considered as the guardian of law, and as the protector of justice and virtue: He maintained the sanctity of an oath, and presided over all transactions which were based upon faithfulness and justice. Hence Fides was His companion on the capitol, along with Victoria; and hence a traitor to his country, and persons guilty of perjury, were thrown down the Tarpeian rock. Faithfulness is manifested in the internal relations of the state, as well as in its connections with foreign powers, and in both respects Iuppiter was regarded as its protector. Not only the family, however, but all the political bodies into which the Roman people was divided, such as the gentes and curiae, were under the especial protection of the king and queen of the gods; and so was the whole body of the Roman people, that is, the Roman state itself.

The largest temple in Rome was that of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus on the
Capitoline Hill. Here He was worshipped alongside Iuno and Minerva,
forming with them the Capitoline Triad. Temples to Iuppiter Optimus
Maximus or the Capitoline Triad as a whole were commonly built by the
Romans at the center of new cities in their colonies.


Valete bene!

Cato

-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-François Arnoud <jfarnoud94@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 8:44 pm
Subject: Re : [Nova-Roma] Rememberance




Avete,

The father of my great mother was in the French army on the Somme River near the
Flander Fields during the 4 years of the WWI and, when I was a child, I watched
many photographs (black and white) of him and his army pals. Unfortunately his
brother in law, the brother of his wife, died in the early first days of this
war, killed by Germans in the time when French soldiers wore very colored
uniforms. I read the last letter he sent to his parents...


Salvete
That would the second Empire uniforms with blue coats and red pants. That was an imitation of Alegerian Zouave dress did you know that?
Valete

Fabius Maximus





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CALL FOR CANDIDATES FOR THE CURULE, QUAEST. AND VIGINT. MAGISTRACIES FOR 2011
(ed. Memmium de petitione magistratuus curulium quaestorium et vigintisexvirorum 2764 auc)



In view of the various laws of Nova Roma organizing the electoral process and the conditions to lay, receive, examine and accept a candidacy ;


In view of the senatus consultum ultimum on the electoral legal system issued a.d. III Idus Nov. 2763 (Nov. 11, 2010), and authorizing the consul maior �to modify, by edictum, the current legislation relative to the electoral system of Nova Roma (tools, proceedings, etc.) in order to adapt it to the creation of an electoral system which, as simple and efficient as possible, will allow Nova Roma institutions, and specially its comitia, to go on working normally without the assistance of the current IT system.�


I, P. Memmius Albucius consul of Nova Roma,



Article 1 : hereby call for candidacies to the curule, quaestorial and vigintisexviri magistracies for next year 2764 auc. The Plebeian magistracies will be naturally the matter of a special call, issued by our Tribunes of the Plebs. The election day(s) will be set later.



Article 2 : remind that the magistrates concerned by the present call shall be elected by the Comitia Centuriata and Populi Tributa and shall enter in office on next Kalends of January (Jan. 1, 2011). The concerned magistracies are the following ones : censor (1 open position) ; consul (2 pos.), praetors (2), aediles (2), quaestors (8), rogators (2), diribitors (4).




Article 3 : remind the mandatory requirements that must be fulfilled by any candidate :


3.1. to confirm, with no ambiguity and no later than next a.d. IV Kal. Dec. 2763 (28 November 2010), 17:00 hrs Rome time, her/his intention to stand for office at the address albucius_aoe at hotmail dot com in order to be placed on the ballot. This confirmation shall include in addition :
- the word "candidate" in the subject of the message ;
- the candidate's full Nova Roman name
- the magistracy for which the candidacy is laid.


Every candidacy which would have not respected the above rules shall be considered as void.


3.2. in addition to be :
- at the present date a citizen of Nova Roma ;
- a citizen �in good standing for at least six months� before the entry in office, i.e. at least since pridie Kal. Quint. 2763 (June 30, 2010) ;
- assidu -a/us at the present date.


3.3. Every candidate running for the following magistracies shall be at least, on next Kal. Ian. 2764 auc (Jan. 1, 2011) :


- censor or consul : 27 years old ;
- praetor : 25 y.o. ;
- others : 21 y.o..


3.4. Every candidate running for CENSOR or CONSUL or PRAETOR shall have served at least, on next Kal. Ian. 2764 auc (Jan. 1, 2011), six months as one of the following magistrate : consul, praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius, editor commentariorum, rogator, or provincial governor.




Article 4 : recommend the citizens, whose availability and motivation would not be adapted to the magistracy for which they would intend to run, to well ponder their decision before laying their candidacy, being reminded that a derelict or failing magistrate may be suspended or removed.


Article 5 � The magistrates and officers of Nova Roma are charged of the good execution of the present senatus consultum, which shall be applicable from its publication on, and be included in the Tabularium Nova Romae (Senate section).



Edictum pridie Idus Novembres P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio Buteoni Quintiliano (II) coss. 2763 auc..


P. Memmius Albucius
cos. maior

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Ex officio Tribunorum Plebis.

A call for Candidates is hereby issued for the offices of Tribuni Plebis and Aediles Plebis. The elected candidates will have their terms of office
begin AVC 2763 a.d. IV Idus Dec. (10 December 2010). Any and all Assidui Plebeian Citizens who wish to serve the Respublica and the People
for the next year shall:

( I ) declare their candidacy to the current Tribuni Plebis at the email address:
jfarnoud94ATyahooDOTfr
and
( II ) announce their intention to run for office before the Comitia Plebis Tributa:
ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com

Announcements of candidacy for these offices that are made to any other official Nova Roma lists are allowed but will not meet the requirements
needed to be recognized as a candidate. All who seek candidacy MUST post their announcement to the Comitia Plebis Tributa.

Eligibility Requirements:
Tribunus Plebis - (V positions available) -
Candidates must be Cives in good standing for at least six full months before taking office; members of the Plebeian Ordo, Assidui today (12
Nov. 2010), and at least 25 years of age by AUC MMDCCLXIII a.d. IV Idus Dec (10 Dec 2010).

NOTE: An exception to the age requirement can be found in the Lex Iunia de Magistratum Aetate.
Aedilis Plebis - (II positions available) -

Candidates must be Cives in good standing for at least six full months before taking office; members of the Plebeian Ordo, Assidui today (12
Nov. 2010), and at least 21 years of age by AUC MMDCCLXIII a.d. IV Idus Dec (10 Dec. 2010). Candidates for Aedilis Plebis must also have
served at least six months as a Tribunus Plebis, Quaestor, Magister Aranearius, Editor Commentariorum, or Provincial Gubenator; or that they
have served as a scribe to one of the current Aediles Plebis for at least six months.

Time Limits for Declaring Candidacy:
Announcements of candidacy before the Comitia Plebis Tributa and declaration of candidacy to the Tribuni Plebis must be received no later than
23.59 CET 25 Nov (before midnight at Rome being 6:00 p.m. EDT or 3:00 p.m. PDT, AUC MMDCCLXIII (2010 Gregorian).

NOTE: If less than the five lawfully qualified candidates for Tribunes or two lawfully qualified candidates for Plebeian Aediles have announced
their candidacies before the dead-line, then the remaining vacancies can be filled under the terms of the Lex Grylla de Securandis Magistratus
Plebis.

Datum sub manu mea pridie Idus Novembres P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio Buteone Quintiliano iterum consulibus, anno Vrbis conditae
MMDCCLXIII.

C. Petronius Dexter
Tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
Pridie Idus Novembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.

Tribuni Plebis
C. Petronius Dexter
M. Octavius Corvus
C. Aquillius Rota



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FYI

Enjoy

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=71576

Vale

Ti. Galerius Paulinus



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Ave!

OK that looks pretty awesome! Thanks for posting it!

Vale,

Sulla

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spqr753@...> wrote:

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> FYI
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> Ti. Galerius Paulinus
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Salvete Omnes,

Interesting two-page report on the shocking condition of Pompeii in today's Guardian. Can't supply a direct link, but if you go to guardian.co.uk it should be easy enough to find.

NDD
Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est Idibus Novembribus; hic dies nefastus publicus est.

"This was followed almost immediately by a war with the Greeks on the
eastern coast. The Tarentines had encouraged the people of Palaeopolis
through their long resistance with vain hopes of succour, and when
they heard that the Romans had got possession of the place they
severely blamed the Palaeopolitans for leaving them in the lurch, as
though they were quite guiltless of having behaved in a similar manner
themselves. They were furious with the Romans, especially after they
found that the Lucanians and Apulians had established friendly
relations with them-for it was in this year that the alliance had been
formed-and they realised that they would be the next to be involved.
They saw that it must soon become a question of either fighting Rome
or submitting to her, and that their whole future in fact depended
upon the result of the Samnite war. That nation stood out alone, and
even their strength was inadequate for the struggle, now that the
Lucanians had abandoned them. They believed, however, that these could
still be brought back and induced to desert the Roman alliance, if
sufficient skill were shown in sowing the seeds of discord between
them. These arguments found general acceptance among a people who were
fickle and restless, and some young Lucanians, distinguished for their
unscrupulousness rather than for their sense of honour, were bribed to
make themselves tools of the war party. After scourging one another
with rods they presented themselves with their backs exposed, in the
popular Assembly, and loudly complained that after they had ventured
inside the Roman camp, they had been scourged by the consul's orders
and were within an ace of losing their heads. The affair had an ugly
look, and the visible evidence removed any suspicion of fraud. The
Assembly became greatly excited, and amidst loud shouts insisted upon
the magistrates convening the senate. When it assembled the senators
were surrounded by a crowd of spectators who clamoured for war with
Rome, whilst others went off into the country to rouse the peasantry
to arms. Even the coolest heads were carried away by the tumult of
popular feeling; a decree was passed that a fresh alliance should be
made with the Samnites, and negotiations were opened with them
accordingly. The Samnites did not feel much confidence in this sudden
and apparently groundless change of policy, and the Lucanians were
obliged to give hostages and allow the Samnites to garrison their
fortified places. Blinded by the imposition that had been practiced on
them and by their furious resentment at it, they made no difficulty
about accepting these terms. Shortly afterwards, when the authors of
the false charges had removed to Tarentum, they began to see how they
had been hoodwinked, but it was then too late, events were no longer
in their power, and nothing remained but unavailing repentance." -
Livy, History of Rome 8.27


"Vividi gaudens Feronia luco." - Vergil, Aeneid, viii.800

"His fractus ductor conuelli signa maniplis
optato laetis abitu iubet. itur in agros
diues ubi ante omnis colitur Feronia luco
et sacer umectat Flauinia rura Capenas." - Silius Italicus, Punica
XIII.83

"Circaevmque ivgum circa hunc tractum Campaniae colebatur puer
Iuppiter, qui Anxyrus dicebatur, quasi aneu xurou, id est sine
novacula, quia barbam numquam rasisset, et Iuno virgo, quae Feronia
dicebatur. Est autem fons in Campania iuxta Terracinam, quae aliquando
Anxur est dicta." - Maurus Servius Honoratus, Commentary on the Aeneid
of Vergil 7.799

"Feronia was the ancient goddess of the market-place and fairs. This
would, as a matter of course, identify her with, and make her the
patron of, all strolling characters who frequent such places. But as
she had temples in Etruria, it is possible that she was common to both
races. The ancients were at a loss where to place her among the
deities; she appears, however, to be a goddess of the earth, and
allied to Mania. But what is most important of all for my purpose is
that she was feared, and that people brought her offerings. She often
appeared as an old woman who went about begging in the country, yet
she always had a gran pulitica--that is, she was intelligent or shrewd
or very cunning in manners--and, as one would have believed, she was a
witch. All who gave her alms were very fortunate, and their affairs
prospered. And if people could give her nothing because of their
poverty, when they returned home after the sun rose (dopo chiaro) they
found abundant gifts--enough to support all the family--so that
henceforth all went well with them; but if any who were rich gave her
nothing, and had evil hearts, she cursed them...The incident of the
begging, and the elegant style and distinguished air indicate a
character like that of Juno and Ceres combined." - C.G. Leland,
"Etruscan Roman Remains in Popular Tradition", ch. III p. 55

"At or near Feronia was a celebrated temple to the goddess of that
name, which, like many ancient shrines, stood in a thick grove Lucus
Feroniae. She seems to have been identical with Proserpine, and was
worshipped by the Sabines, and Latins, as well as by the Etruscans.
Hither, on yearly festivals, pilgrims resorted in great numbers from
the surrounding country, many to perform vows and offer sacrifice
and those who were possessed with the spirit of the goddess, walked
with naked feet over heaps of burning coal and ashes, without
receiving injury and many merchants, artisans, and husbandmen,
taking advantage of the concourse, brought their goods hither for
sale, so that the market or fair held here was more splendid than any
other in Italy. From the numerous first-fruits, and other gifts
offered to the goddess, her shrine became renowned for its riches, and
was decorated with abundance of gold and silver. But it was despoiled
by Hannibal on his march through Italy. It was however maintained
till the fall of paganism in the fourth century. That the temple
itself stood on a height seems probable from the fact, mentioned by
Livy, of its being struck by lightning." - G. Dennis, "The Cities and
Cemeteries of Etruria", ch. 10

"These incidents led to his [Hannibal] withdrawal from Rome, and he
retired as far as the river Tutia, six miles distant from the City.
From there he marched to the grove of Feronia and the temple, which
was celebrated in those days for its wealth. The people of Capena and
other cities round used to bring their first-fruits and other
offerings, according to their ability, and they had also embellished
it with a considerable quantity of gold and silver. Now the temple was
despoiled of all its treasures. Great heaps of metal, where the
soldiers, struck by remorse, had thrown pieces of uncoined brass, were
found there after Hannibal's departure. All writers are agreed as to
the plundering of this temple. Coelius tell us that Hannibal diverted
his march to it while he was going from Eretum to Rome, after marching
from Amiternum by Reate and Cutiliae." - Livy, History of Rome 26.11

"After this war another arose against the Romans on the part of the
Sabine nation, the beginning and occasion of which was this. There is
a sanctuary, honoured in common by the Sabines and the Latins, that is
held in the greatest reverence and is dedicated to a goddess named
Feronia; some of those who translate the name into Greek call her
Anthophoros or "Flower Bearer," others Philostephanos or "Lover of
Garlands," and still others Persephone. To this sanctuary people used
to resort from the neighbouring cities on the appointed days of
festival, many of them performing vows and offering sacrifice to the
goddess and many with the purpose of trafficking during the festive
gathering as merchants, artisans and husbandmen; and here were held
fairs more celebrated than in any other places in Italy." - Dionysus
of Halicarnassus, Roman Antiquities 3.32


Today is the second day of the three-day festival to Iuppiter, and is
held in honor of both him and the goddess Feronia. Since Iuppiter is
a pretty well-known deity, I am focusing on Feronia. Feronia is a
difficult goddess to identify; some sources claim that she is an
aspect of Iuno, or Ceres/Persephone, or both. She is also called the
"mother of the nymphs of Campania" by Servius (Commentary on the
Aeneid, 8.564), and Varro places her in the group of Sabine goddesses
("Feronia, Minerva, Novensides, a Sabinis." - de Lingua Latina V.74).
At Rome Feronia had a grove and later a temple in the Campus Martius;
the latter is attested only in the calendars. Since her cult at Rome
is curiously placed in the middle of the Plebeian Games, it was
probably older than they were, and it could go back to a primitive
fair, as at Lucus Feroniae. It is first mentioned at Rome when
expiatory offerings were ordered by the Sibylline in 217 BC: they were
extended even to the freedwomen (libertiinae), who according to their
ability had to contribute money for a gift to Feronia, while freewomen
(matronae) contributed to Iuno Regina on the Aventine, Though perhaps
originally an agricultural goddess (she received an offering of the
first-fruits of the season at Lucus Feroniae), she appears to have
acquired a special association with freemen and granting freedom to
slaves. In explaining her name Varro also called her Libertas,
"Libertatem deam dicit, Feroniam quasi Fidoniam", and an inscription
on a seat in her temple at Terracina, where freedman received the cap
of freedom (pilleus) on their shaved heads, runs "Let the deserving
sit down as slaves and rise as freemen" ("Bene meriti servi sedeant,
surgant liberi"). It appears that at Terracina slaves could take
sanctuary at her altar: this would be a Greek rather than a Roman
custom.


This is probably also the "dies natalis" of a temple of Pietas
(Piety), since Pietas is mentioned with Fortuna Primigenia in a
inscription of the second century AD. Her temple in the Forum
Holitorium was vowed by M. Acilius Glabrio at Thermolpylae (191) and
dedicated by his son ten years later. In it was a gilded statue of the
father, the first of its kind in Rome.The temple was destroyed in 44
B.C. to make room for the Theatre of Marcellus. One aspect of Pietas
was the relationship of parent and children, and this temple was
connected with the (Greek) story of a daughter who supplied her
imprisoned father or mother with her own milk. The connection may have
arisen from the nearby Columna (Lactaria), where infants in need of
milk were brought.


Valete bene!

Cato

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:17 PM, <ndduffy1975@...> wrote:

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> Interesting two-page report on the shocking condition of Pompeii in today's
> Guardian. Can't supply a direct link, but if you go to guardian.co.uk it
> should be easy enough to find.
>
> Ave

Thanks for this the full link is
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/11/the-second-fall-pompeii


It does different from the time I visited it but that was over 30 years ago.
If you look at the picture gallery one of the captions quotes the article
when it says "Many buildings only appear still to be standing thanks only to
the goodwill of the Roman gods"

It is good to know that Herculaneum isn't suffering the same problems,
although it's a lot smaller, I definitely preferred it. I think, possibly
because there were fewer tourists, you got much more sense of atmosphere. I
do hope something can be done, though it does appear a mammoth task.

Respectfully
F Lucilla Merula


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Salvete,

- Tribunus Plebis, minimum age 25
- Audilis Plebis, minimun age 21, must have served at least 6 as
Tribunus plebis (or another office)...

How can you serve as Tribunus plebis before serving as Aedilis Plebis
when you look at the required ages?


This year I'm to busy with other things I think, maybe later I'll be
interested.

Bene valete

M.Valerius Chlorus

On 12/11/10 16:31, Gaius Petronius Dexter wrote:
>
> Ex officio Tribunorum Plebis.
>
> A call for Candidates is hereby issued for the offices of Tribuni
> Plebis and Aediles Plebis. The elected candidates will have their
> terms of office
> begin AVC 2763 a.d. IV Idus Dec. (10 December 2010). Any and all
> Assidui Plebeian Citizens who wish to serve the Respublica and the People
> for the next year shall:
>
> ( I ) declare their candidacy to the current Tribuni Plebis at the
> email address:
> jfarnoud94ATyahooDOTfr
> and
> ( II ) announce their intention to run for office before the Comitia
> Plebis Tributa:
> ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:ComitiaPlebisTributa%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Announcements of candidacy for these offices that are made to any
> other official Nova Roma lists are allowed but will not meet the
> requirements
> needed to be recognized as a candidate. All who seek candidacy MUST
> post their announcement to the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
>
> Eligibility Requirements:
> Tribunus Plebis - (V positions available) -
> Candidates must be Cives in good standing for at least six full months
> before taking office; members of the Plebeian Ordo, Assidui today (12
> Nov. 2010), and at least 25 years of age by AUC MMDCCLXIII a.d. IV
> Idus Dec (10 Dec 2010).
>
> NOTE: An exception to the age requirement can be found in the Lex
> Iunia de Magistratum Aetate.
> Aedilis Plebis - (II positions available) -
>
> Candidates must be Cives in good standing for at least six full months
> before taking office; members of the Plebeian Ordo, Assidui today (12
> Nov. 2010), and at least 21 years of age by AUC MMDCCLXIII a.d. IV
> Idus Dec (10 Dec. 2010). Candidates for Aedilis Plebis must also have
> served at least six months as a Tribunus Plebis, Quaestor, Magister
> Aranearius, Editor Commentariorum, or Provincial Gubenator; or that they
> have served as a scribe to one of the current Aediles Plebis for at
> least six months.
>
> Time Limits for Declaring Candidacy:
> Announcements of candidacy before the Comitia Plebis Tributa and
> declaration of candidacy to the Tribuni Plebis must be received no
> later than
> 23.59 CET 25 Nov (before midnight at Rome being 6:00 p.m. EDT or 3:00
> p.m. PDT, AUC MMDCCLXIII (2010 Gregorian).
>
> NOTE: If less than the five lawfully qualified candidates for Tribunes
> or two lawfully qualified candidates for Plebeian Aediles have announced
> their candidacies before the dead-line, then the remaining vacancies
> can be filled under the terms of the Lex Grylla de Securandis Magistratus
> Plebis.
>
> Datum sub manu mea pridie Idus Novembres P. Memmio Albucio K. Fabio
> Buteone Quintiliano iterum consulibus, anno Vrbis conditae
> MMDCCLXIII.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Tribunus Plebis Arcoiali scribebat
> Pridie Idus Novembres P. Memmio K. Fabio II coss.
>
> Tribuni Plebis
> C. Petronius Dexter
> M. Octavius Corvus
> C. Aquillius Rota
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

I have submitted to the Consul Maior my statement of intent to run for the
office of rogatrix. As I meet all stated requirements, I have no
expectation that there will be a problem, so I have chosen to announcement
that intention here, in the main forum.

Valete bene,
C. Maria Caeca

Avete Quirites!

I am happy to announce to you that I am running for the office of Tribune of
the Plebs for the year A.U.C. MMDCCLXIV. The events of this year have shown
all of us how necessary it is to have good tribunes to uphold the
Constitution and the laws of our Republic and to protect the people. I ask
that all plebeians vote for me! Thank you!

~ Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus

*Avete Quirites!*
*
*
*Laetus vobis nuntio me petere Tribunatum pro anno A.U.C. MMDCCLXIV. Res hoc
anno factae nobis omnibus demonstraverunt quam necesse sit habere tribunos
bonos qui sustineant instituta et leges Rei Publicae nostrae defendantque
populum. Oro ut plebeii omnes mihi suffragentur. Gratias vobis ago!*
*
*
*~ Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus*
*
*
*Data ex urbe Providentia Idibus Novembribus anno A.U.C. MMDCCLXIII*


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C. Equitius Cato omnibus in foro SPD

I hereby publicly declare my candidacy for the office of consul of the Respublica. I am happy to answer any questions any citizen might have regarding my work and intentions.

Valete,

Cato

Salvete omnes,

At Ides Nov. I, M.Octavius Corvus, Sacerdos Iovis, on behalf of People of Nova Roma performed Ides ritual for IOM on November 13, Ap. Furius Lupus assisted me.

The rite:

PRAEFATIO:
"IUPPITER OPTIME MAXIME, UTI TIBI IN ILLEIS LIBREIS SCRIPTUM EST,
QUARUMQUE RERUM ERGO, QUODQUE MELIUS SIET POPULO NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS, TIBI HOC SACRUM FIAT: TE QUAESO PRECORQUE, UTI IMPERIUM MAIESTATEMQUE POPULI NOVI ROMANI QUIRITIUM AUXIS, UTIQUE INCOLUMITATEM SEMPITERNAMQUE VICTORIAM VALETUDINEMQUE POPULO NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS DES, FAVEASQUE POPULO NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS, REMQUE PUBLICAM LIBERAM POPULI NOVI ROMANI QUIRITIUM SALVAM SERVES, MAIOREMQUE FACIAS, UTI SIS VOLENS PROPITIUS POPULO NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS, SENATUI NOVO ROMANO, SACERDOTIBUS POPULI NOVI ROMANI, NOBIS, DOMIBUS, FAMILIIS, ET UTI HUIUS SACRIFICI ACCEPTOR SIES;
HARUM RERUM ERGO MACTE ESTO FITO VOLENS PROPITIUS POPULO NOVO ROMANO
QUIRITIBUS, SENATUI NOVO ROMANO, SACERDOTIBUS NOVIS ROMANIS, NOBIS,
DOMIBUS, FAMILIIS."

PRECATIO:
"IUPPITER, QUO CIRCA TE, CAPITOLINE, QUEM PROPTER BENEFICIA POPULUS
ROMANUS OPTIMUM, PROPTER VIM MAXIMUM NOMINAVIT! IUPPITER, QUI GENUS COLIS ALISQUE HOMINEM, PER QUEM VIVIMUS VITALEM AEVOM, QUEM PENES SPES VITAE SUNT HOMINUM OMNIUM, DA DIEM HUNC SOSPITEM QUAESO MEIS REBUS AGUNDIS!"
"PATER NOSTER, IN TUA, PATER CARISSIME, IN TUA SUMUS CUSTODIA. IUPPITER, TE HOC TURE OMMOVENDO BONAS PRECES PRAECOR, UTI SIS VOLENS PROPITIUS NOBIS LIBERISQUE NOSTRIS, DOMIBUS FAMILIISQUE NOSTRIS."

- Some INCENCE put into the fire -

SACRIFICIUM:
"IUPPITER, TE HOC LIBO OBMOVENDO BONAS PRECES PRECOR, UTI SIS VOLENS
PROPITIUS NOBIS LIBERISQUE NOSTRIS, DOMIBUS FAMILIISQUE NOSTRIS, MACTUS HOC FERTO."

- LIBUM -

"IOVIS PATER, UTI TE LIBO OBMOVENDO BONAS PRECES BENE PRECATUS SUM,
EIUSDEM REI ERGO MACTE VINO INFERIO ESTO."

- WINE -
"IUPPITER OPTIME MAXIME, REX DEORUM, QUI RES PUBLICAS NOVAS ROMANAS NUNC CUSTODIS DEFENDISQUE, SICUT RES PUBLICAS MAIORUM NOSTRORUM ROMANORUM CUSTODIVISTI DEFENDISTIQUE, TIBI FIERI OPORTET IN HOC TEMPORE INITII CULIGNAM VINI DAPI, EIUS REI ERGO HAC ILLACE DAPE PULLUCENDA ESTO."

- WINE -

ILICET. DI IMMORTALES FACIANT, TAM FELIX QUAM PIA.

Rite was performed at the altar of Iuppiter in Poltava, Sarmatia Prov..
Sacrifice was: incense, libum, wine.
No birds movement was detected.

Valete bene,

CORVVS

I originally posted this on Seneca's facebook prototype site, where I tend
to post most things, now ...but decided to post it here, as well.

During our conventus, we held a ceremonia that will always be precious to
me, not because it was spectacular or showy, it was neither, nor because it
was a presentation to the public, it was private, even familial, nor because
I can vouch for the authenticity of each and every element, including the
prayers that were used. I believe that most elements were, because I know
the priests who constructed this ceremonia, and certainly if anything was
added or created, it was done most carefully and in the spirit of
reconstructing it as accurately as they could: but because, first, this was
the first time I was a participant (holding the paper on which the text was
written does count, smile), because of its simple, intrinsic beauty, and
because, in a way, it was our gift to the Rota family.

We conducted a toga virilis ceremonia for Rota's eldest son, Marcus
Equitius. It was a simple ritual, in which prayers were offered to the
gods, his toga praetexta was removed by his parents, sacrifices were made,
the bulla was placed on the altar (and retrieved later, so that it could
become a family treasure), and he was dressed in his toga virilis, thanks
was given, and he was introduced to the "community" ...us. All the Novi
Romani there participated in some way, and little Trianus, the youngest son,
and a friend of the family were invited guests. No, no videos were made,
though there were some pictures, so no, you won't see this on U-tube.
However, what we did, we did to honor our gods and this dear family, and, in
so doing, in some alchemical way, we solidified our entire community,
honored a rite of passage for a very very fine young man, and participated
in a gift of love to our hosts, who had been so incredibly kind and caring
of us ...in other words, we drew together the strands of the sacred and the
profane in, I believe, the best possible way. Did we make a huge change in
anything? Well, no ...but, on the other hand, I don't think anything will
be exactly the same again, at least not for me. If nothing else, what we
did drew me, in a way I cannot explain, even more closely to my res Publica,
and has become one of the many gentle bonds that will keep me here.

Q. Fabius Maximus SPD
Quirites!

I am declare to you all that I will stand for the office of Praetor of our
Republic.
Too long a misguided rule of law system that was intended to be used when
the republic was more of physical presence and not just an internet one has
plagued us. I intend to simplify the process and make it tied to internet
law rather then Roman Physical Laws. When, the Gods be willing, Nova
Roma will have physical unity with our 108 acres, we can then return to a more
physical environment including our law system.
I am an 12 Veteran of Nova Roma, and I have studied Rome since an
undergrad in College.
I am prepared to commit as many hours as it takes this next year. I have
no current film commitments for the year 2011, and I will not take on any
if you elect me.

Valete





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Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Q. Fabio Maximo salutem dicit

Our legal system is very much in need of reform. Every case in Nova Roma
has caused more bitterness than justice and has done little to bring people
together -- the opposite is the case. Whoever is elected praetor, whether
it be you or someone else, should invest time and effort to devise a system
of law that will bring the citizens together and promote cooperation rather
than division.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 5:53 AM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

>
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus SPD
> Quirites!
>
> I am declare to you all that I will stand for the office of Praetor of our
> Republic.
> Too long a misguided rule of law system that was intended to be used when
> the republic was more of physical presence and not just an internet one has
>
> plagued us. I intend to simplify the process and make it tied to internet
> law rather then Roman Physical Laws. When, the Gods be willing, Nova
> Roma will have physical unity with our 108 acres, we can then return to a
> more
> physical environment including our law system.
> I am an 12 Veteran of Nova Roma, and I have studied Rome since an
> undergrad in College.
> I am prepared to commit as many hours as it takes this next year. I have
> no current film commitments for the year 2011, and I will not take on any
> if you elect me.
>
> Valete
>
>


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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XVIII Idus Decembris; hic dies fastus aterque est.

"This year [326 B.C.] was marked by the dawn, as it were, of a new era
of liberty for the plebs; creditors were no longer allowed to attach
the persons of their debtors. This change in the law was brought about
by a signal instance of lust and cruelty upon the part of a
moneylender. L. Papirius was the man in question. C. Publilius had
pledged his person to him for a debt which his father had contracted.
The youth and beauty of the debtor which ought to have called forth
feelings of compassion only acted as incentives to lust and insult.
Finding that his infamous proposals only filled the youth with horror
and loathing, the man reminded him that he was absolutely in his power
and sought to terrify him by threats. As these failed to crush the
boy's noble instincts, he ordered him to be stripped and beaten.
Mangled and bleeding the boy rushed into the street and loudly
complained of the usurer's lust and brutality. A vast crowd gathered,
and on learning what had happened became furious at the outrage
offered to one of such tender years, reminding them as it did of the
conditions under which they and their children were living. They ran
into the Forum and from there in a compact body to the Senate-house.
In face of this sudden outbreak the consuls felt it necessary to
convene a meeting of the senate at once, and as the members entered
the House the crowd exhibited the lacerated back of the youth and
flung themselves at the feet of the senators as they passed in one by
one. The strongest bond and support of credit was there and then
overthrown through the mad excesses of one individual. The consuls
were instructed by the senate to lay before the people a proposal
"that no man be kept in irons or in the stocks, except such as have
been guilty of some crime, and then only till they have worked out
their sentence; and, further, that the goods and not the person of the
debtor shall be the security for the debt." So the nexi were released,
and it was forbidden for any to become nexi in the future." - Livy,
History of Rome 8.28


Today is the last day of the three day festival in honor of Iuppiter
Optimus Maximus around which the Ludi Plebii were celebrated.

Iuppiter overthew his father, Saturn (in Greek, Kronos). He then drew
lots with his brothers Poseidon and Hades to determine who would be
the supreme ruler of the gods. Iuppiter won the draw and became the
ruler of Olympus and the patron of the ancient Roman state. Iuppiter
was the rain god and lord of the sky, making His name an appropriate
one for the king of the planets. His weapon is a thunderbolt which He
hurls at those who displease Him. He is married to Iuno but is famous
for His many affairs, among which are:

IO

Io was a river nymph whose beauty attracted Iuppiter, and he seduced
her. Hoping to hide his affair from the eyes of his wife Iuno,
Iuppiter covered the world with a thick blanket of clouds. Iuno wasn't
that stupid. The cloudbank aroused her suspicions so she came down to
Earth from Mount Olympus and started dispersing the clouds.

When Iuppiter realized that Iuno was about to find him and Io, he
quickly changed Io into a cow. All that Iuno found was Iuppiter
innocently standing next to a white cow, swearing that he had never
seen the cow before, that it had suddenly appeared out of the Earth.
Iuno admired the cow, and asked Iuppiter if she could have it as a
present. Iuppiter had little choice but to agree. Iuppiter and Iuno
then began a little game of "play with the cow". First, Iuno sent Io
the cow away under a guard. Iuppiter arranged for Io to be rescued and
set free. Next, Iuno set a gadfly to torment and sting Io, a terrible
torture for a cow. Io tried desperately to escape the gadfly, and
ended up wandering around the world. Her wanderings are commemorated
in several familiar place-names: the sea that Io swam across is named
after her (the Ionian Sea), as is the Bosporus strait (which
translates to "fording of the ox." ). Io eventually found her way to
Egypt, where, after Iuppiter promised to no longer pursue her, Iuno
returned her to human form.


EUROPA

"Majesty and love go ill together, nor can they long share one abode.
Abandoning the dignity of his sceptre, the father and ruler of the
gods, whose hand wields the flaming three-forked bolt, whose nod
shakes the universe, adopted the guise of a bull; and mingling with
the other bullocks, joined in their lowing and ambled in the tender
grass, a fair sight to see. His hide was white as untrodden snow, snow
not yet melted by the rainy South wind. The muscles stood out on his
neck, and deep folds of skin hung along his flanks. His horns were
small, it is true, but so beautifully made that you would swear they
were the work of an artist, more polished and shining than any jewel.
There was no menace in the set of his head or in his eyes; he looked
completely placid." - Ovid, Metamorphoses II.847-858

The story of Europa and Iuppiter begins with a dream. A Phoenician
princess, Europa dreamt that two continents, Asia and an Unnamed
place, were arguing over her: Asia said that Europa belonged to Asia
since she had been born there, but the Unnamed continent claimed that
one day Iuppiter would make it a present to Europa.

The next morning, Europa went with a group of young ladies down to the
sea to gather flowers and seashells, and Iuppiter happened to see hem.
Struck by Europa's beauty, yet knowing his fairly lecherous
reputation *and* afraid of Iuno's wrath, he disguised himself as a
pure white bull with a sweet fragrance and a lovely "moo". Naturally,
all the young maidens were delighted with this magically gentle
creature.

Iuppiter then lay down in front of Europa, mooing sweetly and gazing
at her with his cow eyes --- how could she resist? She climbed up on
his back, expecting a short trot along the beach. Instead, the bull
charged off and plunged into the sea, swimming rapidly away from the
shore. As they went, gradually a whole line-up of lesser gods began
to follow, and Europa began to get the hint that the bull was
something more than a bull. She begged the bull to bring her home,
but Iuppiter, revealing who he was, told her that he was madly in love
with her and was taking her to Crete, to enjoy her company out of
sight of Iuno (he was apparently oblivious to the crowd of gods
trailing behind them).

Once they reached Crete, Iuppiter cast off his bull disguise, flinging
it into the heavens, where it took the form of the constellation
Taurus. They dallied on Crete, and Europa eventually gave birth to
three sons, the most famous of whom was Minos, the ancestor of the
Minoan people, the first European civilization. For reasons that are
never explained, Iuno seemed to remain in the dark about Europa, and
never punished the young girl.

GANYMEDE

"The king of the gods was once fired with love for Phrygian Ganymede,
and when that happened Jupiter found another shape preferable to his
own. Wishing to turn himself into a bird, he none the less scorned to
change into any save that which can carry his thunderbolts. Then
without delay, beating the air on borrowed pinions, he snatched away
the shepherd of Ilium, who even now mixes the winecups, and supplies
Jove with nectar, to the annoyance of Juno" - Ovid, Metamorphoses
X.154-160

Iuppiter was drifting around one day and spied Ganymede, the most
beautiful Trojan man ever born, playing on Mount Ida in Crete.
Iuppiter turned himself into an eagle, and grabbed Ganymede and
brought him to heaven, where he made him the cup-bearer of the gods
--- a post which had previously been held by Iuppiter's daughter Hebe.
Iuno, furious at both Iuppiter for dumping Hebe in favor of this
beautiful man *and* at Ganymede for...well, being so beautiful, began
to make very ugly noises. Iuppiter, to preserve Ganymede intact,
tossed him into the heavens where he became the constellation
Aquarius, the Water-Bearer.

Another version of the story is that Iuppiter saw Ganymede with Eos,
the goddess of the dawn, and demanded that she give Ganymede to him;
in return, Iuppiter granted Eos' wish that her current lover,
Tithonius, be made immortal. Unfortunately, Eos and Tithonius forgot
to ask hat he remain *youthful* as well, and after watching Tithonius
gradually get older and older, shriveling up in extreme old age, Eos
got bored and locked him in a room by himself, where he eventually
became just a disembodied voice.

When Ganymede's father Tros (king of either Troy or Laedemon,
depending on the version) found out that Ganymede had disappeared, he
was so upset that Iuppiter sent him two horses that could ride over
water, creating storms in their wake. These are the same two horses
that Hercules later demanded as payment for killing the sea-monster
that Neptune had sent to plague the city of Troy.

CALLISTO

"Jupiter caught sight of her and immediately desired her. He took on
the shape of the goddess Diana and spoke to Callisto, who was
delighted to see the form of her mistress. She began to tell him of
her hunting exploits, and he responded by raping her. She resisted him
as far as a woman could --- had Juno seen her she would have been less
cruel --- but how could a girl overcome a man, and who could defeat
Jupiter? He had his way, and returned to the upper air" - Ovid,
Metamorphoses II.434-437

The nymph Callisto was a favorite companion of the virgin goddess
Diana. Callisto had vowed to remain chaste, and to follow in the ways
of Diana. She accompanied Diana while hunting and was her constant
companion. Iuppiter caught a glimpse of the beautiful Callisto and, of
course, fell in love with her. Knowing that Diana had warned Callisto
of the deceitful ways of men and gods, Iuppiter cleverly disguised
himself as --- Diana. He then seduced Callisto, and Callisto
conceived a child (I'm not exactly sure when Callisto realized that
the person she was messing around with wasn't Diana, but it didn't
stop her in the end, apparently).

When Callisto's condition was revealed to Diana by jealous competitors
for Diana's attentions, Callisto was forced out of her company. She
bore a boy child named Arcas. When Iuppiter's wife Juno saw this
evidence of Iuppiter's infidelity she became enraged, and changed
Callisto into a bear. Callisto was ashamed and afraid, and fled into
the woods, not to see her son for many years.

One day, when Callisto's son Arcas was a young man, he decided to go
hunting, and went into the woods where his mother Callisto lived.
Callisto saw her son, whom she had not seen for many years. She forgot
she was a bear, and rushed forward to embrace her son. Arcas only saw
a bear rushing down on him. He lifted his bow and shot an arrow at the
beast. At the last moment Iuppiter intervened and placed Callisto and
her son in the heavens as the constellations Ursa Major and Ursa
Minor, the big and little bears.


Valete bene!

Cato