Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Dec 13-31, 2010

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82502 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-13
Subject: IDIBUS DECEMBRIBUS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82503 From: Q. Fabius Maximus Date: 2010-12-13
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Saturnalia Festivity in the Aquincum Museum, Budapest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82504 From: Q. Fabius Maximus Date: 2010-12-13
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Saturnalia Festivity in the Aquincum Museum, Budapest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82505 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2010-12-14
Subject: Avoir le choix dans la date...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82506 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-14
Subject: a.d. XIX Id. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82507 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-14
Subject: The Senate is convened (last session 2763)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82508 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-15
Subject: a.d. XVIII Id. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82509 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-15
Subject: Elections 2763 voting period closed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82510 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-15
Subject: Our comitia tributa and centuriata are closed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82511 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-16
Subject: a.d. XVII Id. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82512 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-12-16
Subject: Senate Call
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82513 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2010-12-16
Subject: SATVRNALIA, 12/17/2010, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82514 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-16
Subject: Roman Statute recovered in Israel
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82515 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: a.d. XVI Kal. Ian. - IO SATURNALIA!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82516 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: IO SATURNALIA!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82517 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Io Saturnalia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82518 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Io Saturnalia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82519 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82520 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82521 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82522 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82523 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82524 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82525 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: IO Saturnalia and an Invitation!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82526 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: IO Saturnalia and an Invitation!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82527 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82528 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Io !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82529 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82530 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82531 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82532 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82533 From: Vedius Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82534 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82535 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: a.d. XV Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82536 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82537 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82538 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82539 From: Gnaea Livia Ocella Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82540 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82541 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Io!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82542 From: ames0826@cs.com Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82544 From: Lyn Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: Io!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82545 From: Lyn Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82546 From: Gaia Valeria Pulchra Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82547 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: Io !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82548 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: joke and "io"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82549 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: Io !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82550 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82551 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82552 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82553 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: a.d. XIV Kal. Ian. - THE OPALIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82554 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Io Saturnalia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82555 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Elections for 2764 results for Comitia *centuriata* - Official procl
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82556 From: Francesc Garcia Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82557 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Results for Comitia Centuriata - Elections for 2764 AUC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82558 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: Results for Comitia Centuriata - Elections for 2764 AUC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82559 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82560 From: Leah Bernardo-Ciddio Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82561 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Election 63 - Official results of the Com. Tributa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82562 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: congratulations and best wishes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82563 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: Election 63 - Official results of the Com. Tributa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82564 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82565 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: congratulations and best wishes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82566 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: FW: [Explorator] explorator 13.35
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82567 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: congratulations and best wishes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82568 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: A Proper Thank you
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82569 From: David Kling Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82570 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82571 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Praetorial Notice: Using salutations - in Latin - on this list.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82572 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: a.d. XIII Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82573 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: The Collegium Pontificum is called into session.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82574 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82575 From: David Kling Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82576 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82577 From: Robert Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82578 From: Robert Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82579 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82580 From: Robert Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82581 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82582 From: Robert Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82583 From: David Kling Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82584 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82585 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82586 From: David Kling Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82587 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82588 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82589 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Lunar eclipse on Winter Solstice.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82590 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-21
Subject: a.d. XII Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82591 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-22
Subject: a.d. XI Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82592 From: mcorvvs Date: 2010-12-22
Subject: CORVVS RESIGNATION
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82593 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-22
Subject: Good evening!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82594 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: My Sincere Congratulations to all Magistrates-Elect!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82595 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82596 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82597 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: My Sincere Congratulations to all Magistrates-Elect!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82598 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: My Sincere Congratulations to all Magistrates-Elect!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82599 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82600 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82601 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82602 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82603 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82604 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82605 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82606 From: Vedius Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82607 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Provisional results of the Senate session
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82608 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: a.d. X Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82609 From: Q. Fabius Maximus Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82610 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: a.d. IX Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82611 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: The Comitia Curiata is called to assemble.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82612 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82613 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82614 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Best wishes!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82615 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82616 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Best wishes!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82617 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82618 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82619 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Best wishes!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82620 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82621 From: Q. Fabius Maximus Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Merry Christmas 2763 AUC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82622 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: a.d. VIII Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82623 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Diem Natalem Christi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82624 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Seasons greetings from Canada Ulterior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82625 From: Francesc Garcia Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Re: Best wishes!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82626 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Re: Best wishes!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82627 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Dies Natalis Sol Invictus; Natalis Mithrae.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82628 From: Lucius Quirinus Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Dies Natalis Sol Invictus; Natalis Mithrae.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82629 From: Lucius Quirinus Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: MERRY DIES NATALIS SOLI INVICTI //Merry Christmas 2763 !!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82630 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Dies Natalis Sol Invictus; Natalis Mithrae.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82631 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Natalis Solis Invicti; Natalis Mithrae; Natalis Christi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82632 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Re: Natalis Solis Invicti; Natalis Mithrae; Natalis Christi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82633 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Internet unable today...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82634 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: a.d. VII Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82635 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: Witnessing as Lictor...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82636 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: Witness Statement of Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82637 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: Witness Statement
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82638 From: Charlie Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: Witnessing Statement of Quintus Servilius Priscus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82639 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: Re: Witness Statement
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82640 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: Witnessing imperium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82641 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-27
Subject: a.d. VI Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82642 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-12-27
Subject: Re: Digitalem Diem Natalem Christi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82643 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-27
Subject: Re: Digitalem Diem Natalem Christi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82644 From: Marcus Valerius Traianus Date: 2010-12-27
Subject: Re: Natalis Solis Invicti; Natalis Mithrae; Natalis Christi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82645 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-12-28
Subject: please provide input
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82646 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-28
Subject: a.d. V Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82647 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-29
Subject: a.d. IV Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82648 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-12-29
Subject: Re: a.d. IV Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82649 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-29
Subject: The Collegium Pontificum session report.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82650 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-29
Subject: Re: Witnessing imperium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82651 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-29
Subject: Just a few days to go...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82652 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-30
Subject: a.d. III Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82653 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-12-30
Subject: Report of the Senate session held 16-22 December 2763
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82654 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-30
Subject: Lex Curiata de imperio MMDCCLXIV.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82655 From: C.Antonivs Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Statement of resignation.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82656 From: C.Antonivs Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: EDICTUM PROPRAETORIS VIII ABOUT APPOINTMENT LEGATUS PRORPAETOR PRO T
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82657 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Re: EDICTUM PROPRAETORIS VIII ABOUT APPOINTMENT LEGATUS PRORPAETOR P
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82658 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: PIACVLVM PVBLICVM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82659 From: David Kling Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: On Resignations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82661 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: prid. Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82662 From: Michael Kelly Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Re: On Resignations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82663 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Re: PIACVLVM PVBLICVM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82664 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: CIVILIA: Piaculum Publicum Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82665 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Happy new year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82666 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Re: Happy new year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82667 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Kalends, 1/1/2011, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82668 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Happy New year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82669 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Re: Happy New year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82670 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: After ten years
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82671 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Re: After ten years
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82672 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Departures [was: Edictum propraetoris VIII, etc....]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82673 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: KALENDAS IANUARIIS



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82502 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-13
Subject: IDIBUS DECEMBRIBUS
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est Idibus Decembribus; haec dies nefastus publicus est.

"And now it may well be asked, what part is left to the people in this
government: since the senate, on the one hand, is vested with the
sovereign power, in the several instances that have been enumerated,
and more especially in all things that concern the management and
disposal of the public treasure; and since the consuls, on the other
hand, are entrusted with the absolute direction of the preparations
that are made for war, and exercise an uncontrolled authority on the
field. There is, however, a part still allotted to the people; and,
indeed, the most important part. For, first, the people are the sole
dispensers of rewards and punishments; which are the only bands by
which states and kingdoms, and, in a word, all human societies, are
held together. For when the difference between these is overlooked, or
when they are distributed without due distinction, nothing but
disorder can ensue. Nor is it possible, indeed, that the government
should be maintained if the wicked stand in equal estimation with the
good. The people, then, when any such offences demand such punishment,
frequently condemn citizens to the payment of a fine: those especially
who have been invested with the dignities of the state. To the people
alone belongs the right to sentence any one to die. Upon this occasion
they have a custom which deserves to be mentioned with applause. The
person accused is allowed to withdraw himself in open view, and
embrace a voluntary banishment, if only a single tribe remains that
has not yet given judgment; and is suffered to retire in safety to
Praeneste, Tibur, Naples, or any other of the confederate cities. The
public magistrates are allotted also by the people to those who are
esteemed worthy of them: and these are the noblest rewards that any
government can bestow on virtue. To the people belongs the power of
approving or rejecting laws and, which is still of greater importance,
peace and war are likewise fixed by their deliberations. When any
alliance is concluded, any war ended, or treaty made; to them the
conditions are referred, and by them either annulled or ratified. And
thus again, from a view of all these circumstances, it might with
reason be imagined, that the people had engrossed the largest portion
of the government, and that the state was plainly a democracy.

Such are the parts of the administration, which are distinctly
assigned to each of the three forms of government, that are united in
the commonwealth of Rome. It now remains to be considered, in what
manner each several form is enabled to counteract the others, or to
cooperate with them." - Polybius, Histories VI


"From Zeus let us begin; him do we mortals never leave unnamed; full
of Zeus are all the streets and all the marketplaces of men; full is
the sea and the heavens thereof...He it was who first set up the signs
in heaven...Wherefore him do we men ever worship first and last." -
Aratus, "Phenomena"

"The Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus, designed by Tarquinius
Priscus, built by Tarquinius Superbus, and dedicated in 509 B.C. by
the consul M. Horatius Pulvillus, stood on a high platform •207 1/2
feet long, by 192 1/2 feet broad. The front of the edifice, ornamented
with their rows of columns, faced the south. The style of the
architecture was purely Etruscan, and the intercolumniations were so
wide as to require architraves of timber.º The cella was divided into
three sections, the middle one of which was sacred to Jupiter, that on
the right to Minerva, that on the left to Juno regia; the top of the
pediment was ornamented with a terra-cotta quadriga. Of the same
material was the statue of the god, with the face painted red, and the
body dressed in a tunica palmata and a toga picta, the work of an
Etruscan artist, Turianus of Fregenae.

In 386 B.C. it was found necessary to enlarge the platform in the
centre of which the temple stood; and as the hill was sloping, even
precipitous, on three sides, it was necessary to raise huge foundation
walls from the plain below to the level of the platform, a work
described by Pliny (xxxvi.15,24) as prodigious, and by Livy (vi.4) as
one of the wonders of Rome.

On July 6, 83 B.C., four hundred and twenty-six years after its
dedication by Horatius Pulvillus, an unknown malefactor, taking
advantage of the abundance of timber used in the structure, set fire
to it, and utterly destroyed the sanctuary which for four centuries
had presided over the fates of the Roman Commonwealth. The incendiary,
less fortunate than Erostratos, remained unknown, the suspicions cast
at the time against Papirius Carbo, Scipio, p87Norbanus and Sulla
having proved groundless. He probably belonged to the faction of
Marius, because we know that Marius himself laid hands on the
half-charred ruins of the temple, and pillaged several thousand pounds
of gold." - Rodolfo Lanciani, "Pagan Shrines and Temples" II


Today is sacred to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus.


"I reached the Alps: the soul within me burned
Italia, my Italia, at thy name:
And when from out the mountain's heart I came
And saw the land for which my life had yearned,
I laughed as one who some great prize had earned:
And musing on the story of thy fame
I watched the day, till marked with wounds of flame
The turquoise sky to burnished gold was turned
The pine-trees waved as waves a woman's hair,
And in the orchards every twining spray
Was breaking into flakes of blossoming foam..." - Oscar Wilde, "Salve
Saturnia Tellus"

"Let Tellus, fertile in fruits and herds,
present Ceres with a crown of wheat stalks;
let the healthy waters and breezes of Jupiter nourish the offspring."
- Horace, Carmina Saeculares 29-32

"They say that whereas the one great mother has a tympanum, it is
signified that she is the orb of the earth; whereas she has towers on
her head, towns are signified; and whereas seats are fixed round about
her, it is signified that whilst all things move, she moves not. And
their having made the Galli to serve this goddess, signifies that they
who are in need of seed ought to follow the earth for in it all seeds
are found. By their throwing themselves down before her, it is taught
that they who cultivate the earth should not sit idle, for there is
always something for them to do. The sound of the cymbals signifies
the noise made by the throwing of iron utensils, and by men's hands,
and all other noises connected with agricultural operations; and these
cymbals are of brass, because the ancients used brazen utensils in
their agriculture before iron was discovered. They place beside the
goddess an unbound and tame lion, to show that there is no kind of
land so wild and so excessively barren as that it would be profitless
to attempt to bring it in and cultivate it. They think that Tellus is
Ops, because the earth is improved by labor; Mother, because it brings
forth much; Great, because it brings forth seed; Proserpine, because
fruits creep forth from it; Vesta, because it is invested with herbs.
And thus they not at all absurdly identify other goddesses with the
earth." - from Augustine of Hippo, "City of God" ch. 23

Today is also sacred to Tellus, often called Tellus Mater. She was
seen as the goddess of the earth, fertility, motherhood and pregnant
women. Her temple, the Aedes Telluris, was dedicated on 13 December
268 B.C., on the Esquiline Hill near the Templum Pax (Temple of Peace)
on the Forum Pacis. Tellus was invoked during earthquakes, because her
temple had been dedicated in consequence of an earthquake that
occurred during a battle with the Picentes.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82503 From: Q. Fabius Maximus Date: 2010-12-13
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Saturnalia Festivity in the Aquincum Museum, Budapest
I am very happy to inform you that Nova Roma is the main organizer of this year's Saturnalia Festivity held in the Aquincum Museum, Budapest, Hungary.

The program will be tomorrow, 12th of December, and there will be included a public ritual and sacrifice to Father Saturnus for the Nova Roman Republic and its People, and for the magistrates, for the senate, and for the priestly colleges.

Programs presented by Nova Roma will include Roman fashion show, election of Saturnalia king, gastronomy, presentation of Roman oratory gestures, religious ceremony to Saturnus, quiz games, market, and many others.

I am personally very glad and proud because Nova Roma Pannonia has a 3 years of good relationship with the Aquincum Museum which is the most important Roman archaeological site of Hungary, and we get more and more requests from them since we have been among the organizers of the spring time Floralia Carnival, and this is the first occasion that they asked Nova Roma to organize the Saturnalia Festivity, which new request shows that the Museum is content with our past work with them.

Curate, uti valeatis!

Io Saturnalia!




Salvete
This is exactly what we all should be doing. Well done Cornelius.
Valete

Q. Fabius Maximus






-----Original Message-----
From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...>
To: Nova Roma ML <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: New Roman List <newroman@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 11, 2010 4:21 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roman Saturnalia Festivity in the Aquincum Museum, Budapest




Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Quiritibus sal.

I am very happy to inform you that Nova Roma is the main organizer of this year's Saturnalia Festivity held in the Aquincum Museum, Budapest, Hungary.

The program will be tomorrow, 12th of December, and there will be included a public ritual and sacrifice to Father Saturnus for the Nova Roman Republic and its People, and for the magistrates, for the senate, and for the priestly colleges.

Programs presented by Nova Roma will include Roman fashion show, election of Saturnalia king, gastronomy, presentation of Roman oratory gestures, religious ceremony to Saturnus, quiz games, market, and many others.

I am personally very glad and proud because Nova Roma Pannonia has a 3 years of good relationship with the Aquincum Museum which is the most important Roman archaeological site of Hungary, and we get more and more requests from them since we have been among the organizers of the spring time Floralia Carnival, and this is the first occasion that they asked Nova Roma to organize the Saturnalia Festivity, which new request shows that the Museum is content with our past work with them.

Curate, uti valeatis!

Io Saturnalia!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Pontiff
Governor of Pannonia







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82504 From: Q. Fabius Maximus Date: 2010-12-13
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Saturnalia Festivity in the Aquincum Museum, Budapest
-----Original Message-----
From: Vedius <vedius@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 11, 2010 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roman Saturnalia Festivity in the Aquincum Museum, Budapest




Salve,

Congratulations on this achievement! I cannot wait to hear how things went.

This is precisely the sort of thing we should all be doing to raise Nova
Roma's profile.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

On 12/11/2010 7:21 PM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus wrote:
>
> Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Quiritibus sal.
>
> I am very happy to inform you that Nova Roma is the main organizer of
> this year's Saturnalia Festivity held in the Aquincum Museum,
> Budapest, Hungary.
>
> The program will be tomorrow, 12th of December, and there will be
> included a public ritual and sacrifice to Father Saturnus for the Nova
> Roman Republic and its People, and for the magistrates, for the
> senate, and for the priestly colleges.
>
> Programs presented by Nova Roma will include Roman fashion show,
> election of Saturnalia king, gastronomy, presentation of Roman oratory
> gestures, religious ceremony to Saturnus, quiz games, market, and many
> others.
>
> I am personally very glad and proud because Nova Roma Pannonia has a 3
> years of good relationship with the Aquincum Museum which is the most
> important Roman archaeological site of Hungary, and we get more and
> more requests from them since we have been among the organizers of the
> spring time Floralia Carnival, and this is the first occasion that
> they asked Nova Roma to organize the Saturnalia Festivity, which new
> request shows that the Museum is content with our past work with them.
>
> Curate, uti valeatis!
>
> Io Saturnalia!
>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Pontiff
> Governor of Pannonia
>
>







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82505 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2010-12-14
Subject: Avoir le choix dans la date...
Avete,

Just to say that we are not before "January P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss"
as written on the main page date.

We obviously are before January 2764, a year of which the consuls will be elected in few days...

Optime valete.

--
C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. XIX Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXIV aVc


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82506 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-14
Subject: a.d. XIX Id. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XIX Kalendas Ianuarius; hic dies fastus aterque est.

"When the consuls, invested with the power that has been mentioned,
lead the armies into the field, though they seem, indeed, to hold such
absolute authority as is sufficient for all purposes, yet are they in
truth so dependent both on the senate and the people, that without
their assistance they are by no means able to accomplish any design.
It is well known that armies demand a continual supply of necessities.
But neither corn, nor habits, nor even the military stipends, can at
any time be transmitted to the legions unless by an express order of
the senate. Any opposition, therefore, or delay, on the part of this
assembly, is sufficient always to defeat the enterprises of the
generals. It is the senate, likewise, that either compels the consuls
to leave their designs imperfect, or enables them to complete the
projects which they have formed, by sending a successor into each of
their several provinces, upon the expiration of the annual term, or by
continuing them in the same command. The senate also has the power to
aggrandize and amplify the victories that are gained, or, on the
contrary, to depreciate and debase them. For that which is called
among the Romans a triumph, in which a sensible representation of the
actions of the generals is exposed in solemn procession to the view of
all the citizens, can neither be exhibited with due pomp and splendor,
nor, indeed, be in any other manner celebrated, unless the consent of
the senate be first obtained, together with the sums that are
requisite for the expense. Nor is it less necessary, on the other
hand, that the consuls, how soever far they may happen to be removed
from Rome, should be careful to preserve the good affections of the
people. For the people, as we have already mentioned, annuls or
ratifies all treaties. But that which is of greatest moment is that
the consuls, at the time of laying down their office are bound to
submit their past administration to the judgment of the people. And
thus these magistrates can at no time think themselves secure, if they
neglect to gain the approbation both of the senate and the people.

In the same manner the senate also, though invested with so great
authority, is bound to yield a certain attention to the people, and to
act in concert with them in all affairs that are of great importance.
With regard especially to those offenses that are committed against
the state, and which demand a capital punishment, no inquiry can be
perfected, nor any judgment carried into execution, unless the people
confirm what the senate has before decreed. Nor are the things which
more immediately regard the senate itself less subject than the same
control. For if a law should at any time be proposed to lessen the
received authority of the senators, to detract from their honors and
pre-eminence, or even deprive them of a part of their possessions, it
belongs wholly to the people to establish or reject it. And even still
more, the interposition of a single tribune is sufficient, not only to
suspend the deliberations of the senate, but to prevent them also from
holding any meeting or assembly. Now the peculiar office of the
tribunes is to declare those sentiments that are most pleasing to the
people: and principally to promote their interests and designs. And
thus the senate, on account of all these reasons, is forced to
cultivate the favor and gratify the inclinations of the people." -
Polybius, Histories VI

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82507 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-14
Subject: The Senate is convened (last session 2763)
P. Memmius Albucius cos. and co-president to all Nova Roma Inc. directors (�senators�)



Considering the auspices taken on idus Dec. 2763 by Augur Fabius Buteo Modianus ;

Quod bonum felixque sit populo romano quiritium, I :


Art. 1 : hereby convene the Board of Nova Roma for a session. Its advice and/or decision is asked, in the frame of this session, on the agenda presented in the relatio below ;

Art. 2 : The time table of the whole session is the following one, every hour being expressed for Rome time:
a)
2.1. Session
Beginning: sunrise, a.d. XVII Kal. Ian. (Dec. 16) ; end: sunset a.d. XI Kal. Ian. 2764 auc (Dec. 22, 2010)
2.2. Contio
Beginning: 9 am, a.d. XVII Kal. Ian. (Dec. 16) ; end: sunset a.d. XIV Kal. Ian. 2764 auc (Dec. 19, 2010 )
2.3. Vote
Beginning: sunrise, a.d. XIII Kal. Ian. (Dec. 20) ; end: sunset - � h a.d. XI Kal. Ian. 2764 auc (Dec. 22, 2010)




b) Exceptionally, though the session are usually suspended during dies nefasti publici, the senators will be welcome to make on Opalia (Dec. 19, 2010) the interventions they would consider necessary, taking in account that this session is the last of the term.
No vote will be accepted on a.d. XII (Dec. 21) : the dies NP (Divalia) will be respected.




Art. 3 : The relatio ('agenda') of the present session is the following one:

Item I � Elections � Plebs - Tribunes - welcome (no discussion)
Item II � Elections � Curule magistrates � Consuls - Invitation to elected consul Ullerius Venator (no discussion)
Item III � Elections (information and discussion) :



Results

How the electoral process worked

A reminder on the reject of Praetoria Tullia's candidacy
Item IV � Elections � Curule magistrates � Imperium � Comitia curiata - provisional modification of the Constitution (discussion + vote)
Item V � Senate-Board � Size � legal reminder (discussion + vote)
Item VI � National law - Bylaws � step point (information)
Item VII � Finances � Nova Roma's property - former C.F.O. - step point (information)
Item VIII � Judicial proceedings � Petitio Equitius vs. Moravius - suspension - step point (information)
Item IX � Forums � Forum Hospitum - transferrals - step point (information and discussion)
Item X � Annual reports to be presented towards the Senate (information)



Magister aranearius

Sodalitates
Item XI � Provinces � Bulgaria - Administration � former praefectus Vitellius Celsus (discussion + vote)
Item XII � Provinces � Italia - Administration � prorogation (discussion + vote)
Item XIII � Web site � Hosting - end of the current annual contract - prorogation for 2764 auc (discussion + vote)



The Item XIII will be presented by Consul Fabius Buteo.



Art. 4 : The items mentioned in the article 3 may be completed in the following days by additional items or, for further information, by attached documents, which will be placed as usual in the Board's ('Senatus Romanus') files section.



Thanks for your attention, Senators-directors. Have all a good session and valete, Matres Patresque.



P. Memmius Albucius cos.
1st co-president



Datum a.d. XIX Kal. Ian. 2764 auc (Dec. 14, 2010 cc)

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82508 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-15
Subject: a.d. XVIII Id. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XVIII Kalendas Ianuarius; hic dies nefastus publicus est.

"The people again, on their part, are held in dependence on the
senate, both to the particular members, and to the general body. In
every part of Italy there are works of various kinds, which are let to
farm by the censors, such are the building or repairing of the public
edifices, which are almost innumerable; the care of rivers, harbors,
mines and lands; every thing, in a word, that falls beneath the
dominion of the Romans. In all these things the people are the
undertakers: inasmuch as there are scarcely any to be found that are
not in some way involved, either in the contracts, or in the
management of the works. For some take the farms of the censors at a
certain price; others become partners with the first. Some, again,
engage themselves as sureties for the farmers; and others, in support
also of these sureties, pledge their own fortunes to the state. Now,
the supreme direction of all these affairs is placed wholly in the
senate. The senate has the power to allot a longer time, to lighten
the conditions of the agreement, in case that any accident has
intervened, or even to release the contractors from their bargain, if
the terms should be found impracticable. There are also many other
circumstances in which those that are engaged in any of the public
works may be either greatly injured or greatly benefited by the
senate; since to this body, as we have already observed, all things
that belong to these transactions are constantly referred. But there
is still another advantage of much greater moment. For from this
order, likewise, judges are selected, in almost every accusation of
considerable weight, whether it be of a public or private nature. The
people, therefore, being by these means held under due subjection and
restraint, and doubtful of obtaining that protection, which they
foresee that they may at some time want, are always cautious of
exciting any opposition to the measures of the senate. Nor are they,
on the other hand, less ready to pay obedience to the orders of the
consuls; through the dread of that supreme authority, to which the
citizens in general, as well as each particular man, are obnoxious in
the field." - Polybius, Histories bk. VI


"The Roman youth [Romulus] could ill brook such insults, and matters
began to look like an appeal to force. To secure a favourable place
and time for such an attempt, Romulus, disguising his resentment, made
elaborate preparations for the celebration of games in honour of
'Equestrian Neptune,' which he called 'the Consualia.' He ordered
public notice of the spectacle to be given amongst the adjoining
cities, and his people supported him in making the celebration as
magnificent as their knowledge and resources allowed, so that
expectations were raised to the highest pitch." - Livy, History of
Rome 1.9

"Moreover, they assigned a precinct to the Equestrian Neptune and
instituted the festival called by the Arcadians Hippocrateia and by
the Romans Consualia, during which it is customary among the latter
for the horses and mules to rest from work and to have their heads
crowned with flowers." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Roman Antiquities
1.32

"And the Romans even to my day continued to celebrate the festival
then instituted by Romulus, calling it the Consualia, in the course of
which a subterranean altar, erected near the Circus Maximus, is
uncovered by the removal of the soil round about it and honoured with
sacrifices and burnt-offerings of first-fruits and a course is run
both by horses yoked to chariots and by single horses. The god to whom
these honours are paid is called Consus by the Romans, being the same,
according to some who render the name into our tongue, as Poseidon
Seisichthon or the "Earth-shaker"; and they say that this god was
honoured with a subterranean altar because he holds the earth. I know
also from hearsay another tradition, to the effect that the festival
is indeed celebrated in honour of Neptune and the horse-races are held
in his honour, but that the subterranean altar was erected later to a
certain divinity whose name may not be uttered, who presides over and
is the guardian of hidden counsels; for a secret altar has never been
erected to Neptune, they say, in any part of the world by either
Greeks or barbarians. But it is hard to say what the truth of the
matter is." - op. cit. II.31


"Why is it that at festival of the Consualia they place garlands on
both the horses and the asses and allow them to rest?
Is it because they celebrate this festival in honour of Poseidon, god
of horses, and the ass enjoys a share in the horse's exemption? Or is
it that since navigation and transport by sea have been discovered,
pack animals have come to enjoy a certain measure of ease and rest?" -
Plutarch, Moralia, "Roman Questions" 48


Today is a celebration of the Consualia; held in honor of Consus, the
god of time and good counsel and/or Neptune Equestris - they may
have been aspects of the same deity. The Temple of Consus is
uncovered on this day and opened to public worship. Horse races and
mule races were held in the Circus Maximus in his honor. As part of
the ceremonies, the rex sacrorum would appear in full garb riding his
horse-drawn chariot once around the Circus Maximus. Ordinary horses
and mules were not made to work, but were garlanded with flowers.

It was said that during the first celebration of the Consualia, the
Rape of the Sabine women occurred:

"Atque haec quidem perceleriter confecit; nam et urbem constituit,
quam e suo nomine Romam iussit nominari, et ad firmandam novam
civitatem novum quoddam et subagreste consilium, sed ad muniendas opes
regni ac populi sui magni hominis et iam tum longe providentis secutus
est, cum Sabinas honesto ortas loco virgines, quae Romam ludorum
gratia venissent, quos tum primum anniversarios in circo facere
instituisset Consualibus, rapi iussit, easque in familiarum
amplissimarum matrimoniis collocavit." - Cicero, de Republica, II.12

"Then, having laid his plan before the senate and gaining their
approval, he announced that he would hold a festival and general
assemblage in honour of Neptune, and he sent word round about to the
nearest cities, inviting all who wished to do so to be present at the
assemblage and to take part in the increases; for he was going to hold
contests of all sorts, both between horses and between men. section
4And when many strangers came with their wives and children to the
festival, he first offered the sacrifices to Neptune and held the
contests: then, on the last day, on which he was to dismiss the
assemblage, he ordered the young men, when he himself should raise the
signal, to seize all the virgins who had come to the spectacle, each
group taking those they should first encounter, to keep them that
night without violating their chastity and bring them to him the next
day. section 5So the young men divided themselves into several groups,
and as soon as they saw the signal raised, fell to seizing the
virgins; and straightway the strangers were in an uproar and fled,
suspecting some greater mischief. The next day, when the virgins were
brought before Romulus, he comforted them in their despair with the
assurance that they had been seized, not out of wantonness, but for
the purpose of marriage; for he pointed out that this was an ancient
Greek custom and that of all methods of contracting marriages for
women it was the most illustrious, and he asked them to cherish those
whom Fortune had given them for their husbands." - Dionysus of
Halicarnassus, Roman Antiquities 2.30

"First, he [Romulus] gave it out as if he had found an altar of a
certain god hid under ground; the god they called Consus, either the
god of counsel (for they still call a consultation consilium, and
their chief magistrates consules, namely, counsellors), or else the
equestrian Neptune, for the altar is kept covered in the Circus
Maximus at all other times, and only at horse-races is exposed to
public view; others merely say that this god had his altar hid under
ground because counsel ought to be secret and concealed. Upon
discovery of this altar, Romulus, by proclamation, appointed a day for
a splendid sacrifice, and for public games and shows, to entertain all
sorts of people: many flocked thither, and he himself sat in front,
amidst his nobles clad in purple. Now the signal for their falling on
was to be whenever he rose and gathered up his robe and threw it over
his body; his men stood all ready armed, with their eyes intent upon
him, and when the sign was given, drawing their swords and falling on
with a great shout they ravished away the daughters of the Sabines,
they themselves flying without any let or hindrance. They say there
were but thirty taken, and from them the Curiae or Fraternities were
named; but Valerius Antias says five hundred and twenty-seven, Juba,
six hundred and eighty-three virgins: which was indeed the greatest
excuse Romulus could allege, namely, that they had taken no married
woman, save one only, Hersilia by name, and her too unknowingly; which
showed that they did not commit this rape wantonly, but with a design
purely of forming alliance with their neighbours by the greatest and
surest bonds." - Plutarch, Parallel Lives, "Romulus"


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82509 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-15
Subject: Elections 2763 voting period closed
Salvete omnes,

Our cista (the location like the boxes where we cast our votes) are now closed.

The diribitors - a first one has worked on counting the raw votes and "un-identifying" them - have begun re-counting the whole votes, each on their sides, and will, in a second time, join their accounts. Then the second diribitor - the one to issue the account per tribe and per century (for each comitia), will have his results check by a thir diribitor, whose role is to chase the possible apparent calculations or assignations.

When everything will be ok for the three diribitors, the second one will, for the 3 magistrates, send the diribitura's results to the custos, who will proceed to his own checking (is there no unexplainable vote assignment ? are they not, for a tribe or century, more counted votes than they have citizens ? etc.).

When the custos will be satisfied, he will send the results to... me, as presiding magistrate. I will then proclaim the results, as the custos will have sent them to me, after, if necessary, a last checking with the custos.

Valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius cos.
prs. mag.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82510 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-15
Subject: Our comitia tributa and centuriata are closed
Quirites !

I have the honor closing here both comitia whose main task was to elect our magistrates for next year.

I thank you all of you who took time to come voting. This year, it asked a bit more avaibility, for our elections were led via e-mail.

Their preparation required much organization and time, and, even our electoral team has begun working on the results, I would like to thank now all the members of this team, and specially the active ones, who did the real work : diribitores Crispus, Metellus and Spinula ; custos Dexter. This team worked perfectly : each one "owned" his duties, working fast and efficiently. I, as presiding magistrate, and the whole Republic owe much to such a team.

This group, in fact, showed that, with a bit will and organization, Nova Roma may have elections via e-mail, for just an investment of time, energy and good will. In addition, the organization put in place guaranteed the best confidentiality of the votes, each member of the team, from the diribitor to the presiding magistrate having just a part of the required informations, and the separation between the diribitor treating the vote (so knowing who sent it) and the one transforming them in tribe or century "expressed vote" being strictly respected.
A third diribitor got specialized in hunting the possible methods errors etc. and both custos and presiding magistrate offered an additional guarantee in checking every possible forgetting, error, etc..

This success does not, naturally, exclude our usual voting on our web site. But at least, it let us time to decide, in the best conditions, how to "repair" our web site system, and not being under the Caudine Forks of any expert, programmer, provider or contractor, even if a few proposals have been made to Nova Roma with the best intents of the world.

Nova Roma has shown, along this last month, that it was keeping its destiny in its hands.

After our turmoiled year, it is a pleasure for me, having not having forgetting to thank Censor Iulius for his support during this electoral proceedings, to close our both Comitia - Tributa and Centuriata - and to state that the normal institutions of our Republic have gone on working, and that they have well.

Thanks Quirites, electoral magistrates et omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius cos.
pres. mag.












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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82511 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-16
Subject: a.d. XVII Id. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XVII Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"Thus, while each of these separate parts is enabled either to assist
or obstruct the rest, the government, by the apt contexture of them
all in the general frame, is so well secured against every accident,
that it seems scarcely possible to invent a more perfect system. For
when the dread of any common danger, that threatens from abroad,
constrains all the orders of the state to unite together, and
co-operate with joint assistance; such is the strength of the republic
that as, on the one hand, no measures that are necessary are
neglected, while all men fix their thoughts upon the present exigency;
so neither is it possible, on the other hand, that their designs
should at any time be frustrated through the want of due celerity,
because all in general, as well as every citizen in particular, employ
their utmost efforts to carry what has been determined into execution.
Thus the government, by the very form and peculiar nature of its
constitution, is equally enabled to resist all attacks, and to
accomplish every purpose. And when again all apprehensions of foreign
enemies are past, and the Romans being now settled in tranquility, and
enjoying at their leisure all the fruits of victory, begin to yield to
the seduction of ease and plenty, and, as it happens usually in such
conjunctures, become haughty and ungovernable; then chiefly may we
observe in what manner the same constitution likewise finds in itself
a remedy against the impending danger. For whenever either of the
separate parts of the republic attempts to exceed its proper limits,
excites contention and dispute, and struggles to obtain a greater
share of power, than that which is assigned to it by the laws, it is
manifest, that since no one single part, as we have shown in this
discourse, is in itself supreme or absolute, but that on the contrary,
the powers which are assigned to each are still subject to reciprocal
control, the part, which thus aspires, must soon be reduced again
within its own just bounds, and not be suffered to insult or depress
the rest. And thus the several orders, of which the state is framed,
are forced always to maintain their due position: being partly
counter-worked in their designs; and partly also restrained from
making any attempt, by the dread of falling under that authority to
which they are exposed." - Polybius, Histories bk. VI

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82512 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-12-16
Subject: Senate Call
Ex officio Tribune Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

With the auspices having been taken by Augur Fabius Buteo Modianus, notice is given to the Roman people that Consul Memmius Albucius has called the Senate into session for the final meeting of 2763.

Consul P. Memmius Albucius has called the Senate to meet during the following times

2.1. Session
Beginning: sunrise, a.d. XVII Kal. Ian. (Dec. 16) ; end: sunset a.d. XI Kal. Ian. 2764 auc (Dec. 22, 2010)
2.2. Contio
Beginning: 9 am, a.d. XVII Kal. Ian. (Dec. 16) ; end: sunset a.d. XIV Kal. Ian. 2764 auc (Dec. 19, 2010 )
2.3. Vote
Beginning: sunrise, a.d. XIII Kal. Ian. (Dec. 20) ; end: sunset - � h a.d. XI Kal. Ian. 2764 auc (Dec. 22, 2010)

b) Exceptionally, though the session are usually suspended during dies nefasti publici, the senators will be welcome to make on Opalia (Dec. 19, 2010) the interventions they would consider necessary, taking in account that this session is the last of the term.
No vote will be accepted on a.d. XII (Dec. 21) : the dies NP (Divalia) will be respected.

The Consul has set as the following as the preliminary agenda:

Item I � Elections � Plebs - Tribunes - welcome (no discussion)
Item II � Elections � Curule magistrates � Consuls - Invitation to the Consuls-elect
Item III � Elections (information and discussion) :
Results
How the electoral process worked
A reminder on the reject of Praetoria Tullia's candidacy
Item IV � Elections � Curule magistrates � Imperium � Comitia curiata - provisional modification of the Constitution (discussion + vote)
Item V � Senate-Board � Size � legal reminder (discussion + vote)
Item VI � National law - Bylaws � step point (information)
Item VII � Finances � Nova Roma's property - former C.F.O. - step point (information)
Item VIII � Judicial proceedings � Petitio Equitius vs. Moravius - suspension - step point (information)
Item IX � Forums � Forum Hospitum - transferrals - step point (information and discussion)
Item X � Annual reports to be presented towards the Senate (information)
Magister aranearius
Sodalitates
Item XI � Provinces � Bulgaria - Administration � former praefectus Vitellius Celsus (discussion + vote)
Item XII � Provinces � Italia - Administration � prorogation (discussion + vote)
Item XIII � Web site � Hosting - end of the current annual contract - prorogation for 2764 auc (discussion + vote)

Item XIII will be presented by Consul Fabius Buteo.

Valete



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82513 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2010-12-16
Subject: SATVRNALIA, 12/17/2010, 12:00 am
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SATVRNALIA
 
Date:   Friday December 17, 2010
Time:   All Day
Repeats:   This event repeats every year.
Notes:   Io Saturnalia!!

"...but suddenly shouted with one accord the well-known cry, 'Io Saturnalia'... " Cassius Dio LX.19.3

Today is the first day of Saturnalia!
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82514 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-16
Subject: Roman Statute recovered in Israel
'The sea gave her back': Wonder in Israel as ancient Roman statue buried for
centuries is uncovered by powerful winter storm

By Daily Mail Reporter<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=y&authornamef=Daily+Mail+Reporter>
Last updated at 3:20 PM on 16th December 2010

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A long-lost Roman statue buried for thousands of years has been unearthed
by massive winter storms that have lashed the coast of Israel this week.

The mysterious white-marble figure of a woman in toga and 'beautifully
detailed' sandals was found in the remains of a cliff that crumbled under
the force of 60mph winds and enormous 40ft waves.

The statue, which lacks a head and arms, is about 4ft tall and weighs
440lbs. It was found at the ancient port of Ashkelon, around 20 miles south
of Tel Aviv.
Enlarge [image: Welcome back: A Roman statue buried for centuries is
removed from the shore of the Mediterranean sea in the southern Israeli city
of Ashkelon on Tuesday]
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Welcome back: A Roman statue buried for centuries is removed from the shore
of the Mediterranean sea in the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon on Tuesday

[image: Timeless: The statue is winched up out of the ocean. It was
discovered in the remains of a cliff that had recently collapsed from the
force of winds, waves and rain at the old port after a storm hit the Israeli
coast]

Timeless: The statue is winched up out of the ocean. It was discovered in
the remains of a cliff that had recently collapsed from the force of winds,
waves and rain at the old port after a storm hit the Israeli coast

[image: The white-marble figure of a woman in toga and sandals was found
in the remains of a cliff]
[image: The white-marble figure of a woman in toga and sandals was found in
the remains of a cliff]

Lady of the sea: The statue, made of white marble, stands about 4ft tall and
weighs 440lbs. It is of a headless, armless woman wearing a toga and
'incredibly detailed' sandals

It dates back to the Roman occupation of what was western Judea, between
1,800 and 2,000 years ago.

The incredible find, which was discovered by a passer-by, will now be put on
display in a museum.

'The sea gave us this amazing statue', researcher Yigal Israeli said. 'The
statue fell into the sea when the ancient maritime cliff collapsed'.

But the find has been tinged with heartbreak for researchers after the
storms destroyed the breakers protecting the Roman-era port of Caesarea,
threatening to wash away one of the world's most important historic sites.
[image: Easy does it: A workman guides the statue as it is slowly lowered
to the ground after being hauled up from the bottom of the cliff]

Easy does it: A workman guides the statue as it is slowly lowered to the
ground after being hauled up from the bottom of the cliff
[image: Sneak peek: Israelis gather around the statue as it is prepared for
transport to a museum]

Sneak peek: Israelis gather around the statue as it is prepared for
transport to a museum
[image: Take a last look: The statue faces out to sea shortly before it is
winched up the side of the cliff]

Israeli archaeologists have now declared a 'national disaster' and warned
the popular tourist attraction was in danger of suffering irreversible
damage.

The Mediterranean port, near Israel's third largest city Haifa, was built by
Herod the Great shortly before the birth of Christ and served as the seat of
government for Pontius Pilate.

Zeev Margalit, a spokesman for the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, said
his agency had warned the government several times in recent months of the
danger to the port.

[image: Lost forever: A man walks near an ancient well that crumbled on the
shore of the Mediterranean in Ashkelon in the same storm that uncovered the
statue]

Lost forever: A man walks near an ancient well that crumbled on the shore of
the Mediterranean in Ashkelon in the same storm that uncovered the statue

Enlarge [image: Recovery: The base of an ancient column is removed from
the shore after the same cliff collapse]
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Recovery: The base of an ancient column is removed from the shore after the
same cliff collapse
[image: Israel]

'If Israel does not react immediately then a major international heritage
site will be lost', he said.

�It is a matter of time until it all collapses'.

Shuka Dorfman, head of the Israel Antiquities Authority added: 'The damage
is tremendous and dramatic.

'With the collapse of the breakwater, the antique treasures in the Caesarea
National Park are exposed to harm from the Ocean'.

While Roman and crusader fortifications were damaged in the gale, it is the
loss of the modern breakwater that has archaeologists most worried.

The barrier affords Caesarea, fragile because of erosion and a lack of
natural sand, crucial protection from the waves. Officials warned that
further heavy rain could easily cause the excavations to slide into the
Mediterranean.

The winds also damaged a number of breakwaters and levees which protect
coastal communities.

Also recovered at the Ashkelon site were fragments of a Roman bath-house and
mosaics.

Authorities have now removed the marble statue from the site to study it.

Ashkelon was also the site of another amazing find in 1988 when the
skeletons of 100 Roman-era babies were discovered in a sewer beneath a bath
house.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82515 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: a.d. XVI Kal. Ian. - IO SATURNALIA!
Cato omnibus in foro SPD


Hodiernus dies est ante diem XVI Kalendas Ianuarius; hic dies nefastus
publicus est.

"To add to the general feeling of apprehension, information was
received of portents having occurred simultaneously in several places.
In Sicily several of the soldiers' darts were covered with flames; in
Sardinia the same thing happened to the staff in the hand of an
officer who was going his rounds to inspect the sentinels on the wall;
the shores had been lit up by numerous fires; a couple of shields had
sweated blood; some soldiers had been struck by lightning; an eclipse
of the sun had been observed; at Praeneste there had been a shower of
red-hot stones; at Arpi shields had been seen in the sky and the sun
had appeared to be fighting with the moon; at Capena two moons were
visible in the daytime; at Caere the waters ran mingled with blood,
and even the spring of Hercules had bubbled up with drops of blood on
the water; at Antium the ears of corn which fell into the reapers'
basket were blood-stained; at Falerii the sky seemed to be cleft
asunder as with an enormous rift and all over the opening there was a
blazing light; the oracular tablets shrank and shrivelled without
being touched and one had fallen out with this inscription, "MARS IS
SHAKING HIS SPEAR"; and at the same time the statue of Mars on the
Appian Way and the images of the Wolves sweated blood. Finally, at
Capua the sight was seen of the sky on fire and the moon falling in
the midst of a shower of rain. Then credence was given to
comparatively trifling portents, such as that certain people's goats
were suddenly clothed with wool, a hen turned into a cock, and a cock
into a hen. After giving the details exactly as they were reported to
him and bringing his informants before the senate, the consul
consulted the House as to what religious observances ought to be
proclaimed. A decree was passed that to avert the evils which these
portents foreboded, sacrifices should be offered, the victims to be
both full-grown animals and sucklings, and also that special
intercessions should be made at all the shrines for three days. What
other ceremonial was necessary was to be carried out in accordance
with the instructions of the decemvirs after they had inspected the
Sacred Books and ascertained the will of the gods. On their advice it
was decreed that the first votive offering should be made to Jupiter
in the shape of a golden thunderbolt weighing fifty pounds, gifts of
silver to Juno and Minerva, and sacrifices of full-grown victims to
Queen Juno on the Aventine and Juno Sospita at Lanuvium, whilst the
matrons were to contribute according to their means and bear their
gift to Queen Juno on the Aventine. A lectisternium was to be held,
and even the freedwomen were to contribute what they could for a gift
to the temple of Feronia. When these instructions had been carried out
the decemvirs sacrificed full-grown victims in the forum at Ardea, and
finally in the middle of December there was a sacrifice at the Temple
of Saturn, a lectisternium was ordered (the senators prepared the
couch), and a public banquet. For a day and a night the cry of the
Saturnalia resounded through the City, and the people were ordered to
make that day a festival and observe it as such for ever." - Livy,
History of Rome 22.1


"For how many years shall this festival abide! Never shall age destroy
so holy a day! While the hills of Latium remain and father Tiber,
while thy Rome stands and the Capitol thou hast restored to the world,
it shall continue." - Macrobius, Saturnalia

"It is now the month of December, when the greatest part of the city
is in a bustle. Loose reins are given to public dissipation;
everywhere you may hear the sound of great preparations, as if there
were some real difference between the days devoted to Saturn and those
for transacting business....Were you here, I would willingly confer
with you as to the plan of our conduct; whether we should eve in our
usual way, or, to avoid singularity, both take a better supper and
throw off the toga." - Seneca

"...especially during the Saturnalia when the rest of the house is
noisy with the licence of the holiday and festive cries. This way I
don't hamper the games of my people and they don't hinder my
work/studies" - Pliny, Epistles II.17.24

"Philochorus Saturno et Opi primum in Attica statuisse aram Cecropem
dicit, eosque deos pro Iove terraque coluisse, instituisseque ut
patres familiarum et frugibus et fructibus iam coactis passim cum
servis vescerentur cum quibus patientiam laboris in colendo rure
toleraverant: delectari enim deum honore servorum contemplatu laboris.
Hinc est quod ex instituto peregrino huic deo sacrum aperto capite
facimus. Abunde iam probasse nos aestimo Saturnalia uno tantum die, id
est quarto decimo Kalendas, solita celebrari: sed post in triduum
propagata, primum ex adiectis a Caesare huic mensi diebus, deinde ex
edicto Augusti quo trium dierum ferias Saturnalibus addixit: a sexto
decimo igitur coepta in quartum decimum desinunt, quo solo fieri ante
consueverant. Sed Sigillariorum adiecta celebritas in septem dies
discursum publicum et laetitiam religionis extendit." - Macrobius,
Saturnalia X.22-24

"The festival [of the Saturnalia] is celebrated everywhere as far as
the limits of the Roman Empire extend... The impulse to spend seizes
everyone.... People are not only generous towards themselves, but also
towards their fellow-men. A stream of presents pours itself out on all
sides.... The festival banishes all that is connected with toil, and
allows men to give themselves up to undisturbed enjoyment. From the
minds of young people it removes two kinds of dread: the dread of the
schoolmaster and the dread of the stern pedagogue.... Another great
quality of the festival is that it teaches men not to hold too fast to
their money, but to part with it and let it pass into other hands." -
Libanius

"Meanwhile the head of the slave household, whose responsibility it
was to offer sacrifice to the Penates, to manage the provisions and to
direct the activities of the domestic servants, came to tell his
master that the household had feasted according to the annual ritual
custom. For at this festival, in houses that keep to proper religious
usage, they first of all honor the slaves with a dinner prepared as if
for the master; and only afterwards is the table set again for the
head of the household. So, then, the chief slave came in to announce
the time of dinner and to summon the masters to the table." -
Macrobius, Saturnalia I.21.23


Today begins the great SATURNALIA, the festival dedicated to the god
Saturn, to whom the inhabitants of Latium attributed the introduction
of agriculture and the arts of civilized life. Falling towards the end
of December, at the season when the agricultural labours of the year
were fully completed, it was celebrated in ancient times by the rustic
population as a sort of joyous harvest-home, and in every age was
viewed by all classes of the community as a period of absolute
relaxation and unrestrained merriment. During its continuance no
public business could be transacted, the law courts were closed, the
schools kept holiday, to commence a war was impious, and to punish a
malefactor involved pollution. The poet Catullus describes Saturnalia
as the "best of days"(14.15). It was a time of celebration, visits to
friends, and gift-giving, particularly of wax candles (cerei), and
earthenware figurines (sigillaria). The best part of the Saturnalia
(for slaves) was the temporary reversal of roles. Masters served meals
to their slaves who were permitted the unaccustomed luxuries of
leisure and gambling. Clothing was relaxed, the toga was left behind,
and the people wore a loose-fitting robe called the synthesis and
dress often included the peaked woollen cap that symbolized the freed
slave. A member of the familia (family plus slaves) was appointed
"Saturnalicius princeps", roughly, "Lord of Misrule".

Saturn being an ancient national god of Latium, the institution of the
Saturnalia is lost in the most remote antiquity. In one legend Saturn,
dethroned by his son Iuppiter, had joined Ianus as ruler in Italy, but
when his time as earthly king was up, he disappeared. So it was
ascribed to Ianus, who, after the sudden disappearance of his guest
and benefactor from the abodes of men, reared an altar to him as a
deity in the forum, and ordained annual sacrifices; Saturn's kingship
was a golden age of happiness for all men, without theft or servitude,
and without private property. According to Macrobius' Saturnalia, the
holiday was originally probably only one day, although he notes an
Atellan playwright, Novius, described it as being seven days. With
Caesar's changing the calendar, the festival lengthened, becoming the
seven-day feast we now enjoy.

Candles, feasting, singing, decking the halls (and each other) with
boughs of greenery, games, and general whooping it up are called for,
as the sunlight gradually shrinks to the shortest day of the year -
and then begins again to stretch its light, promising the return of
warmth and light - and the reign of King Saturn.

The customary greeting for the occasion is a "IO, Saturnalia!" — io
(pronounced "yo") being a Latin interjection related to "ho" (as in
"Ho, praise to Saturn!").


Valete bene - et IO SATURNALIA!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82516 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: IO SATURNALIA!
Salvete omnes

From a snow-swept Britannia, we wish all citizens of the Republic a very happy season.

IO TRIUMPHE !

IO SATURNALIA !

May the Gods be with you and your families through the festival.

Valete omnes

et

IO SATURNALIA !

Crispus
Legatus pro praetore
Britannia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82517 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Io Saturnalia!
Salvete omnes,



And the wishes of good and pleasant Saturnalia to everyone and to your
families.



Io Triumphe!



Io Saturnalia!



Valete omnes.



C. Aemilius Crassus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82518 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Io Saturnalia!
SALVETE!

Io Saturnalia! Io Triumphe! Anum Novum faustum felicem!

VALETE,
Sabinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82519 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
Salvete Omnes!

I should like to add my own best wishes that we all receive Blessings
during the Saturnalia.

I'd also like to hope the same surfeit of Blessings will be gained
during the other seasonal and religious celebrations within the
traditions and cultures that make up the fabric of our Nova Roma.

In Amicitia - Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82520 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
Ave Crispe amice!

Bona Saturnalia!

Cura ut valeas,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS" <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes
>
> From a snow-swept Britannia, we wish all citizens of the Republic a very happy season.
>
> IO TRIUMPHE !
>
> IO SATURNALIA !
>
> May the Gods be with you and your families through the festival.
>
> Valete omnes
>
> et
>
> IO SATURNALIA !
>
> Crispus
> Legatus pro praetore
> Britannia
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82521 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
Ave Crassus!

Bona Saturnalia may you and yours enjoy abundance and good fortune!

Vale optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C. Aemilius Crassus" <c.aemilius.crassus@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
>
>
> And the wishes of good and pleasant Saturnalia to everyone and to your
> families.
>
>
>
> Io Triumphe!
>
>
>
> Io Saturnalia!
>
>
>
> Valete omnes.
>
>
>
> C. Aemilius Crassus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82522 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
Io Saturnalia!

Heartfelt warmest of wishes to you and your family for a peaceful, joyous and harmonious Saturnalia!
Sint tibia onmia felicia et fausta!!!

Laetae feriae!

Cura ut valeas Amice,

Julia



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVETE!
>
> Io Saturnalia! Io Triumphe! Anum Novum faustum felicem!
>
> VALETE,
> Sabinus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82523 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
SALVE IULIA!

Thank you very much. Many greetings from Dacia and I wish all the best to you and your family.

VALE,
Sabinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Io Saturnalia!
>
> Heartfelt warmest of wishes to you and your family for a peaceful, joyous and harmonious Saturnalia!
> Sint tibia onmia felicia et fausta!!!
>
> Laetae feriae!
>
> Cura ut valeas Amice,
>
> Julia
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@> wrote:
> >
> > SALVETE!
> >
> > Io Saturnalia! Io Triumphe! Anum Novum faustum felicem!
> >
> > VALETE,
> > Sabinus
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82524 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
Ave Venii,

Bona Saturnalia!!! Great joy and prosperity to you and yours!

Vale optime,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes!
>
> I should like to add my own best wishes that we all receive Blessings
> during the Saturnalia.
>
> I'd also like to hope the same surfeit of Blessings will be gained
> during the other seasonal and religious celebrations within the
> traditions and cultures that make up the fabric of our Nova Roma.
>
> In Amicitia - Venator
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82525 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: IO Saturnalia and an Invitation!
Bona Saturnalia!!!!!

Sint tibia onmia felicia et fausta!!!

Our main public Saturnalia Feast will be held on Saturday December 18th, to which you are all invited will include a ritual ceremony to Saturnus, for those who are not close enough to Nashville TN, I shall hold you in heart ;)

A Saturnalia Mock King (male or female and yeah we are calling "her" King if a she is so elected) will be chosen, there will be games, prizes and gifts! The feast will include Roman delights and also Italian fare of Roman "ancestry" prepared by a chef and his staff from Napoli! And Mulsum, lots of it, and fine Vino of course.
The first ritual ceremony and sacrifice to Saturn, in which the red woolen wool that binds him shall be untied, will be presided over by myself on this evening, December 17th in a short outdoors ritual (short because it is freezing cold) and at the feast on Saturday Dec 18th. The following morning Sunday Dec 19th I will preside over a ritual and sacrifice to Ops for Opalia and we shall have dinner with family and friends.

The first night ritual ceremony and sacrifice to Saturn will be presided over by myself on Friday December 17th in a short outdoors ritual (short because it is freezing cold) prior to the evening Ham dinner which is in lieu of the sacrificial pig which I was unable to arrange for this year, but it is an exceptionally good Ham – esp. in the fortuitous way it presented itself. The first night's small gifts will be presented to my family and guests. Due to the very cold, ice and snow weather I shall send each of my family members home with 6 additional gifts for them to place about their hearths or trees and open each day for the rest of Saturnalia.
At the public feast on Saturday Dec 18th another short outdoors ritual will be performed for Saturnus. The following morning Sunday Dec 19th I will preside over a ritual and sacrifice to Ops for Opalia and we shall have dinner with family and friends. The rest of the week will be a flurry of food and festivities as well as ritual, with special activities on the Solstice (hopefully the skies will clear for the rare Eclipse of the Moon) and on the Last Night, Dec. 23rd, the special festivities shall be left up to young Marcus Iulius.

Throughout the week Lucernae filled with olive oil will be lit on various shrines, candelae will be on dining tables (and given as gifts) and appointing other (safe) areas, handcrafted statues of Saturnus and Ops shall be prominently displayed, cookies, dates and figs will be enjoyed, Sigillaria will be made of clay by children of all ages (esp. to make gifts for and images of Dies Natalis Sol Invictus), small gifts and coins will be distributed generously, Pilei will be donned and at the bigger feasts some will wear masks! We shall also begin assembling the feast throughout the week for Dies Natalis Sol Invictus (which we are about to begin right after I post this)
Oh and Mulsum, lots of Mulsum.

Cura ut valeas,

Julia

P.S. ***The "actual" invitation and more info:
http://www.meetup.com/Temple-Of-Venus/calendar/14458121/
Come join the spiritual community in honor of the Divine!
We invite all from far and near to come together in this celebration of the old Gods, old ways and happy days. To dance and sing and laugh and feast for the week (17-23) long event of Saturnalia!!!
This is a family and community affair and children are welcome! Let us renew old bonds, make new friends, put aside the past and look forward to the future.

Catullus described Saturnalia as the best of days (Cat. 14.15). It was a time of celebration, visits to friends, and gift-giving, particularly of wax candles (cerei) for adults, and earthenware doll figurines (sigillaria) for children. Symbolic gifts representing the growing and harvesting of fruit.
Saturnalia in antiquity was a time off work – government, schools and businesses were closed for several days. It was a time of Peace dispensing with disagreements, sanctions were suspended and the courts closed, even wars ceased.

It was, and is, a time of relaxing with family and friends to renew bonds, form new friendships and to share in the celebration. It is a time to help the less fortunate; in antiquity class differences were suspended and roles reverses, children became the parents, slaves became the masters (to a certain extent of course) - as in antiquity this is a time for generosity and food and drink is for all to partake. This is a time to continue the celebration with masquerades, gaming, gambling, king of jokes, pranks, parties, and letting loose. Don't forget to Dance and party towards the New Year, Janus Day, while celebrating the Roman Winter Solstice on Dec 21st and Feast of Sol Invicta, the Unconquered Sun on December 25th.
For more interesting info from antiquity:
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpenelope.uchic%2F&h=525f6

What to do for Saturnalia?
Decorate a bush or two outdoors near the entrance of your home with sun symbols, stars, and faces of the God Janus and nuts and goodies for the birds and for humans - little gifts such as earthenware figures/sigillaria, candles/cerei, bells and coins and goodies in the shape of fertility symbols, suns and moons and stars, baby shapes, and herd animal shapes ;) as well as hanging small inexpensive gifts for humans to take home.
Indoors decorate your home with holly, wreaths, garland decorated with ornaments of gold and red, ribbons of gold, red and purple etc. Fresh evergreen branches are good if you have access to them.
Light Candles to signify the sacred flame in honor of the Gods and to signify the kindling of fires to keep us warm and warm our hearth through the cold winter.

Our Saturnalia Feast will incorporate the best of antiquity and modern times:
We will be having a Gift exchange: small inexpensive gifts as noted in Martial Epigrams Bk 14 - writing tablets, dice, knuckle bones, moneyboxes, combs, toothpicks, a hat, a hunting knife, an axe, various lamps, balls, perfumes, pipes, a pig, a sausage, a parrot, tables, cups, spoons, items of clothing, statues, masks, books, and pets. Dolls for children, candles for friends. Fruit symbolize abundance and prosperity.
Entertainment et Games: tesserae/dice, calculi/checkers, terni lapilli/tic tac toe and other games.
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fablemedia.com%2F&h=525f6
Masks/masquerade are welcome, appointing a Lord of Misrule, aka mock king (we will be appointing someone "Lord of Misrule"), jokes and just partying. Pilei/ soft cloth (or paper) hats that symbolize informality.

Although you must order your entree at Bella Napoli, please bring a favorite recipe, bread, cheese, fruit/veggie etc. towards the feast! Opalia: Saturn's (also known as Father Time) consort is Ops, the Roman goddess of abundance. She was associated with the granary god Consus, and also with Saturn because her festival coincides with the Saturnalia - let's set a feast that will honor her and bring us prosperity and abundance in the coming year!
Bella Napoli has a great menu of beer , wine- or vodka, and it is the tradition to drink! Hopefully someone will bring Mulsum - a honeyed wine and traditional - If someone would like to make this, it is simple: 1/2 cup honey to a fifth of white wine and serve well chilled - a perfect toast! Last year Becki made an alcoholic and non-alcoholic version.

Note what you are bringing for the feast in the comment section thanks!
If you can, each person brings a festive but non-religious decoration, and/or something to decorate the bushes for the birds and to hang small inexpensive gifts/decorations (for humans to take home) Fresh evergreen branches are good if you have access to them

There is a donation through paypal of $8.00 per adult or $5.00 per child (over five and under 14) - this reserves your place at the Feast and will be used for surprises, prizes and other good things.

Comments about last years Saturnalia Festival:
" What a wonderful. fun and joyfull night! Thanks Jenna for teaching us about the custom of Saturnalia. Let's do it again next year! "
" Great friendship, great laughter, great food and great love ~ "
" We were blessed by the gods at the feast! Everyone was wonderful, great food , lots of laughter, stories - for those who left early - you missed the Baumgartner show! "

Photos of last year's Saturnalia:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/l_j_a/sets/72157623240519184/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82526 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: IO Saturnalia and an Invitation!
C. Maria Caeca L. Juliae Aquilae omnibusque in foro S. P. D.

I would like to wish everyone all the many joys of the season, with abundant laughter, love and friendship, glorious food, and just enough wine to test, but not over tax, decorum. I hope you party joyously (and safely) and that the new year brings you all manner of good things, and that our Res Publica will grow in health, security and prosperity, on all levels.

Io Saturnalia! Io Triumphe!

Julia, I will be there, but in thought only, I'm afraid. Still if you hear a giggle, and can't quite trace the source ...

Valete quam optime!

C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82527 From: Tragedienne Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
Salve et Salvete Omnes:

Io Saturnalia! Io Triumphe!


A Joyful Saturnalia to all those who are celebrating it!

I believe homemade Godiva hot coccoa is in order.


Valete Optime,
Aeternia

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> Salvete omnes,
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> And the wishes of good and pleasant Saturnalia to everyone and to your
> families.
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> Io Triumphe!
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> Io Saturnalia!
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82528 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Io !
Quirites,

Have a sincere happy and not too cold Saturnalia week all, and family and parents !

Tomorrow Opalia, then Divalia and Larentalia, this last one before Christmas' night.

Like in Crispus' Britannia, sweet Gallia is under the snow.


Valete omnes,


Albucius cos.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82529 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io !
Cato Memmio Albucio omnibusque in foro SPD

Actually, consul, the Opalia is on the 19th :)

Valete!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
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>
> Quirites,
>
> Have a sincere happy and not too cold Saturnalia week all, and family and parents !
>
> Tomorrow Opalia, then Divalia and Larentalia, this last one before Christmas' night.
>
> Like in Crispus' Britannia, sweet Gallia is under the snow.
>
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> Valete omnes,
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82530 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2010-12-17
Subject: Re: Io !
SALVE CATO!

--- On Sat, 12/18/10, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:


 



Cato Memmio Albucio omnibusque in foro SPD

Actually, consul, the Opalia is on the 19th :)>>>
You didn't see sweet Gallia is under the snow?
VALE,
Sabinus


 
 
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
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>
> Quirites,
>
> Have a sincere happy and not too cold Saturnalia week all, and family and parents !
>
> Tomorrow Opalia, then Divalia and Larentalia, this last one before Christmas' night.
>
> Like in Crispus' Britannia, sweet Gallia is under the snow.
>
>
> Valete omnes,
>
>
> Albucius cos.
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82531 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Salvete

I know that come January 1st we will have to be nice to Cato as he will be one of our Consuls for the year.

But before that day arrives and in the sprit of the season I just have to point out this fact to him and his ever shrinking group of Plutocrats. No less an authority than America�s best loved game show of answers and questions , Jeopardy had on tonight�s show a category called

"OUR EIGHT PLANETS"

Host Alex Trebek even pointed it our saying that �yes we only have eight planets now�.
I hope the Plutocrats will now fully realize that Pluto is just a dog from Disney and not a planet.

Valete

Paulinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82532 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Salvete

Sorry. I ment to post this to the BA

Valete

Paulinus

> To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: spqr753@...
> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:24:35 -0500
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] OUR EIGHT PLANETS
>
>
>
> Salvete
>
> I know that come January 1st we will have to be nice to Cato as he will be one of our Consuls for the year.
>
> But before that day arrives and in the sprit of the season I just have to point out this fact to him and his ever shrinking group of Plutocrats. No less an authority than America�s best loved game show of answers and questions , Jeopardy had on tonight�s show a category called
>
> "OUR EIGHT PLANETS"
>
> Host Alex Trebek even pointed it our saying that �yes we only have eight planets now�.
> I hope the Plutocrats will now fully realize that Pluto is just a dog from Disney and not a planet.
>
> Valete
>
> Paulinus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82533 From: Vedius Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Salve,

We can't have fun on the main list?

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus

On 12/18/2010 12:28 AM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> Salvete
>
> Sorry. I ment to post this to the BA
>
> Valete
>
> Paulinus
>
>> To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
>> From: spqr753@...
>> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:24:35 -0500
>> Subject: [Nova-Roma] OUR EIGHT PLANETS
>>
>>
>>
>> Salvete
>>
>> I know that come January 1st we will have to be nice to Cato as he will be one of our Consuls for the year.
>>
>> But before that day arrives and in the sprit of the season I just have to point out this fact to him and his ever shrinking group of Plutocrats. No less an authority than America’s best loved game show of answers and questions , Jeopardy had on tonight’s show a category called
>>
>> "OUR EIGHT PLANETS"
>>
>> Host Alex Trebek even pointed it our saying that “yes we only have eight planets now“.
>> I hope the Plutocrats will now fully realize that Pluto is just a dog from Disney and not a planet.
>>
>> Valete
>>
>> Paulinus
>>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82534 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Cato Galerio Paulino sal.

If I am elected, I shall issue an edict requiring recognition of Pluto as a planet in his own right as he deserves. No mere whimsy of mortal man can take away his majesty and place in the ranks of the NINE planets in our solar system.

Higgledum-piggledum
Cato and Pluto in
harmony orbit the
earth's star-lit skies.
"NO!" thunders Pluto,
anti-IAU-ically,
"my cruel demotion is
nothing but lies!"

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
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>
>
> Salvete
>
> I know that come January 1st we will have to be nice to Cato as he will be one of our Consuls for the year.
>
> But before that day arrives and in the sprit of the season I just have to point out this fact to him and his ever shrinking group of Plutocrats. No less an authority than America's best loved game show of answers and questions , Jeopardy had on tonight's show a category called
>
> "OUR EIGHT PLANETS"
>
> Host Alex Trebek even pointed it our saying that "yes we only have eight planets now".
> I hope the Plutocrats will now fully realize that Pluto is just a dog from Disney and not a planet.
>
> Valete
>
> Paulinus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82535 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: a.d. XV Kal. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XV Kalendas Ianuarius; hic dies fastus est.

"For the next three years there was neither settled peace nor open
war. The consuls were Q. Cloelius and T. Larcius. They were succeeded
by A. Sempronius and M. Minucius. During their consulship a temple was
dedicated to Saturn and the festival of the Saturnalia instituted. The
next consuls were A. Postumius and T. Verginius. I find in some
authors this year given as the date of the battle at Lake Regillus,
and that A. Postumius laid down his consulship because the fidelity of
his colleague was suspected, on which a Dictator was appointed. So
many errors as to dates occur, owing to the order in which the consuls
succeeded being variously given, that the remoteness in time of both
the events and the authorities make it impossible to determine either
which consuls succeeded which, or in what year any particular event
occurred. Ap. Claudius and P. Servilius were the next consuls. This
year is memorable for the news of Tarquin's death. His death took
place at Cuma, whither he had retired, to seek the protection of the
tyrant Aristodemus after the power of the Latins was broken. The news
was received with delight by both senate and plebs. But the elation of
the patricians was carried to excess. Up to that time they had treated
the commons with the utmost deference, now their leaders began to
practice injustice upon them. The same year a fresh batch of colonists
was sent to complete the number at Signia, a colony founded by King
Tarquin. The number of tribes at Rome was increased to twenty-one." -
Livy, History of Rome 2.21

"Welcome to the Saturnalia!
The Circle of the Year is cut in fourths,
and in the ancient lands of Greece and Rome
the darkening time from autumn equinox
to winter solstice was the time to plow
and plant the ground, to store away the seeds.
When this was done the people rested through
the winter months, until the Sun returned.
Three ancient Gods are honored at this time:
Saturnus, Ops and Consus are Their names.
Now listen to the Myth of Saturn's reign..."
- Apollonius Sophistes, "A Winter Solstice Ritual" (1996)


"Before the dinner proper came sea hedgehogs; fresh oysters, as many
as the guests wished; large mussels; sphondyli; field fares with
asparagus; fattened fowls; oyster and mussel pasties; black and white
sea acorns; sphondyli again; glycimarides; sea nettles; becaficoes;
roe ribs; boar's ribs; fowls dressed with flour; becaficoes; purple
shellfish of two sorts. The dinner itself consisted of sows' udder;
boar's head; fish-pasties; boar-pasties; ducks; boiled teals; hares;
roasted fowls; starch pastry; Pontic pastry." - Macrobius, Saturnalia
Convivia, III.13

"The resemblance between the Saturnalia of ancient and the Carnival of
modern Italy has often been remarked; but in the light of all the
facts that have come before us, we may well ask whether the
resemblance does not amount to identity. We have seen that in Italy,
Spain, and France, that is, in the countries where the influence of
Rome has been deepest and most lasting, a conspicuous feature of the
Carnival is a burlesque figure personifying the festive season, which
after a short career of glory and dissipation is publicly shot, burnt,
or otherwise destroyed, to the feigned grief or genuine delight of the
populace. If the view here suggested of the Carnival is correct, this
grotesque personage is no other than a direct successor of the old
King of the Saturnalia, the master of the revels, the real man who
personated Saturn and, when the revels were over, suffered a real
death in his assumed character. The King of the Bean on Twelfth Night
and the mediaeval Bishop of Fools, Abbot of Unreason, or Lord of
Misrule are figures of the same sort and may perhaps have had a
similar origin." - James Frazer, The Golden Bough, Ch. 58. "Human
Scapegoats in Classical Antiquity"


Today is the second day of the Saturnalia.

IO SATURNALIA!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82536 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
A. Tullia Scholastica Flavio Vedio Germanico Ti. Galerio Paulino quiritibus
bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

> Salve,
>
> We can't have fun on the main list?

Oh, we can always have fun about planets. Besides, Pluto is a weird
planet, but I agree with Cato if he terms it a planet... <runs from
Marinus...>

Planets have nice Latin and Greek names; we can always talk about them.

Genuine Plutocrats are those who rule through wealth, and as Cicero said
(quoted in The Bible according to Frederic M. Wheelock), "Angustus animus
pecuniam amat."
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus


Valete.



>
> On 12/18/2010 12:28 AM, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> Salvete
>>
>> Sorry. I ment to post this to the BA
>>
>> Valete
>>
>> Paulinus
>>
>>> To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
>>> From: spqr753@...
>>> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:24:35 -0500
>>> Subject: [Nova-Roma] OUR EIGHT PLANETS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Salvete
>>>
>>> I know that come January 1st we will have to be nice to Cato as he will be
>>> one of our Consuls for the year.
>>>
>>> But before that day arrives and in the sprit of the season I just have to
>>> point out this fact to him and his ever shrinking group of Plutocrats. No
>>> less an authority than America¹s best loved game show of answers and
>>> questions , Jeopardy had on tonight¹s show a category called
>>>
>>> "OUR EIGHT PLANETS"
>>>
>>> Host Alex Trebek even pointed it our saying that ³yes we only have eight
>>> planets now³.
>>> I hope the Plutocrats will now fully realize that Pluto is just a dog from
>>> Disney and not a planet.
>>>
>>> Valete
>>>
>>> Paulinus
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82537 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
SALVE ET SALVETE!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Vedius <vedius@...> wrote:
> Salve,
> We can't have fun on the main list?>>>

Why not? Especially taking in consideration is Saturnalia.
I will start first:

Cato visits Paris. He is accompanied of Albucius. At one moment they arrive in front of Notre Dame.
-WowÂ…says Cato. Nice cathedral! How long did it take to build it?
-HmmÂ…says Albucius, wiping his glassesÂ…around 180 years.
-Well, in New York it would've only been 20 years.
The visit continues. In front of a palace, Cato says very enthusiastic:
-What a wonderful palace! What is it?
-It is the famous Louvre Palace, answers Albucius very proud.
-AaaÂ… and how long did it take to build it?
-If I recall correctly from wikipedia, the building was extended many times to form the present PalaceÂ…anyway around 300 years.
-Aha, I understaaandÂ…but you knowÂ… in New York it would've only been 50 years to build it!
With an Albucius a little annoyed, the tour continues. They pass near the Eiffel Tower but Albucius didn't stop. Intrigued, Cato stops walking and says:
-Hey, Albucius, what's happening man; you don't see this tower, what is it?
-I don't know, answer Albucius with a straight face. Yesterday it wasn't here!

VALETE,
Sabinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82538 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Salve!

Too funny Sabine!
I may have one to share tomorrow but now I am going to laugh myself to bed.

Vale

Julia

P.S. Pluto is a planet! (in my mind anyway)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVE ET SALVETE!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Vedius <vedius@> wrote:
> > Salve,
> > We can't have fun on the main list?>>>
>
> Why not? Especially taking in consideration is Saturnalia.
> I will start first:
>
> Cato visits Paris. He is accompanied of Albucius. At one moment they arrive in front of Notre Dame.
> -WowÂ…says Cato. Nice cathedral! How long did it take to build it?
> -HmmÂ…says Albucius, wiping his glassesÂ…around 180 years.
> -Well, in New York it would've only been 20 years.
> The visit continues. In front of a palace, Cato says very enthusiastic:
> -What a wonderful palace! What is it?
> -It is the famous Louvre Palace, answers Albucius very proud.
> -AaaÂ… and how long did it take to build it?
> -If I recall correctly from wikipedia, the building was extended many times to form the present PalaceÂ…anyway around 300 years.
> -Aha, I understaaandÂ…but you knowÂ… in New York it would've only been 50 years to build it!
> With an Albucius a little annoyed, the tour continues. They pass near the Eiffel Tower but Albucius didn't stop. Intrigued, Cato stops walking and says:
> -Hey, Albucius, what's happening man; you don't see this tower, what is it?
> -I don't know, answer Albucius with a straight face. Yesterday it wasn't here!
>
> VALETE,
> Sabinus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82539 From: Gnaea Livia Ocella Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Salvete,

Pluto is also a planet in my thinking! I suppose the few generations below me - for example, my very young cousins who are under the age of ten - will be those who grow up insisting it is not. Very sad, I liked that little guy!

Valete,
Livia Ocella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Salve!
>
> Too funny Sabine!
> I may have one to share tomorrow but now I am going to laugh myself to bed.
>
> Vale
>
> Julia
>
> P.S. Pluto is a planet! (in my mind anyway)
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@> wrote:
> >
> > SALVE ET SALVETE!
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Vedius <vedius@> wrote:
> > > Salve,
> > > We can't have fun on the main list?>>>
> >
> > Why not? Especially taking in consideration is Saturnalia.
> > I will start first:
> >
> > Cato visits Paris. He is accompanied of Albucius. At one moment they arrive in front of Notre Dame.
> > -Wow�says Cato. Nice cathedral! How long did it take to build it?
> > -Hmm�says Albucius, wiping his glasses�around 180 years.
> > -Well, in New York it would've only been 20 years.
> > The visit continues. In front of a palace, Cato says very enthusiastic:
> > -What a wonderful palace! What is it?
> > -It is the famous Louvre Palace, answers Albucius very proud.
> > -Aaa� and how long did it take to build it?
> > -If I recall correctly from wikipedia, the building was extended many times to form the present Palace�anyway around 300 years.
> > -Aha, I understaaand�but you know� in New York it would've only been 50 years to build it!
> > With an Albucius a little annoyed, the tour continues. They pass near the Eiffel Tower but Albucius didn't stop. Intrigued, Cato stops walking and says:
> > -Hey, Albucius, what's happening man; you don't see this tower, what is it?
> > -I don't know, answer Albucius with a straight face. Yesterday it wasn't here!
> >
> > VALETE,
> > Sabinus
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82540 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Salve, Paulinus et omnibus.
> "OUR EIGHT PLANETS"
>
> Host Alex Trebek even pointed it our saying that �yes we only have eight planets now�.
> I hope the Plutocrats will now fully realize that Pluto is just a dog from Disney and not a planet.
I have to say that you are partly right. Pluto is a Disney dog AND an
asteroid. Since 2006 it is officially not a planet.

Bene valete,
Placidus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82541 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Io!
Salvet Quirites!"

Io Saturnalia to all!

*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul Iterum
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82542 From: ames0826@cs.com Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
I was born with nine planets, I grew up with nine planets, and I will f**king die with nine planets. Q.E.D.





-----Original Message-----
From: Ugo Coppola <ugo.coppola@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 8:43 am
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] OUR EIGHT PLANETS




Salve, Paulinus et omnibus.
> "OUR EIGHT PLANETS"
>
> Host Alex Trebek even pointed it our saying that �yes we only have eight planets now�.
> I hope the Plutocrats will now fully realize that Pluto is just a dog from Disney and not a planet.
I have to say that you are partly right. Pluto is a Disney dog AND an
asteroid. Since 2006 it is officially not a planet.

Bene valete,
Placidus







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82544 From: Lyn Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: Io!
Io Saturnalia, omnes!



Valete,

L. Aemilia Mamerca



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From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christer Edling
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 11:14 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Io!





Salvet Quirites!"

Io Saturnalia to all!

*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Consul Iterum
Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82545 From: Lyn Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
Salve,



Well said! <wrote the child of the 50s, laughing aloud>





Vale,



L.A.M.



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From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ames0826@...
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 12:34 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] OUR EIGHT PLANETS





I was born with nine planets, I grew up with nine planets, and I will f**king die with nine planets. Q.E.D.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ugo Coppola <ugo.coppola@... <mailto:ugo.coppola%40tin.it> >
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 8:43 am
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] OUR EIGHT PLANETS

Salve, Paulinus et omnibus.
> "OUR EIGHT PLANETS"
>
> Host Alex Trebek even pointed it our saying that �yes we only have eight planets now�.
> I hope the Plutocrats will now fully realize that Pluto is just a dog from Disney and not a planet.
I have to say that you are partly right. Pluto is a Disney dog AND an
asteroid. Since 2006 it is officially not a planet.

Bene valete,
Placidus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82546 From: Gaia Valeria Pulchra Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: OUR EIGHT PLANETS
It's O.K. Pluto, I'm not a planet either :(


All hail the King of the Guinea Pigs!!!





On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Lyn <ldowling@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve,
>
> Well said! <wrote the child of the 50s, laughing aloud>
>
> Vale,
>
> L.A.M.
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ugo Coppola <ugo.coppola@... <ugo.coppola%40tin.it> <mailto:
> ugo.coppola%40tin.it <ugo.coppola%2540tin.it>> >
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 8:43 am
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] OUR EIGHT PLANETS
>
> Salve, Paulinus et omnibus.
> > "OUR EIGHT PLANETS"
> >
> > Host Alex Trebek even pointed it our saying that �yes we only have eight
> planets now�.
> > I hope the Plutocrats will now fully realize that Pluto is just a dog
> from Disney and not a planet.
> I have to say that you are partly right. Pluto is a Disney dog AND an
> asteroid. Since 2006 it is officially not a planet.
>
> Bene valete,
> Placidus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82547 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: Io !
Catoni Sabinoque s.d.

Hey Barbari ! ;-)

When I wrote the msg below, I was yet on 18th (forgive me living at Rome time ;-) ), during the last night hours of Saturnalia.

So the day after the 18th is, at least in my Gallo-Roman comput..., the 19th, so Opalia, is it not ? ;-)

Valete ambo,


Albucius cos.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Memmio Albucio omnibusque in foro SPD
>
> Actually, consul, the Opalia is on the 19th :)
>
> Valete!
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Quirites,
> >
> > Have a sincere happy and not too cold Saturnalia week all, and family and parents !
> >
> > Tomorrow Opalia, then Divalia and Larentalia, this last one before Christmas' night.
> >
> > Like in Crispus' Britannia, sweet Gallia is under the snow.
> >
> >
> > Valete omnes,
> >
> >
> > Albucius cos.
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82548 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: joke and "io"
Sabino s.d.

But, as for my Saturnalia greetings (see in the messages before), Cato was still on 17th when I was yet at Rome time on 18th, I let you imagine the consequence on the joke below.

Our preferred Novus Eboracensis would probably look at me in some pitiful way, thinking "Poor Ol' Albucius, he is not the one he was" and, like George Clooney in a famous ads here, would ask:
"What else ?".

Vale !


Albucius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVE ET SALVETE!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Vedius <vedius@> wrote:
> > Salve,
> > We can't have fun on the main list?>>>
>
> Why not? Especially taking in consideration is Saturnalia.
> I will start first:
>
> Cato visits Paris. He is accompanied of Albucius. At one moment they arrive in front of Notre Dame.
> -WowÂ…says Cato. Nice cathedral! How long did it take to build it?
> -HmmÂ…says Albucius, wiping his glassesÂ…around 180 years.
> -Well, in New York it would've only been 20 years.
> The visit continues. In front of a palace, Cato says very enthusiastic:
> -What a wonderful palace! What is it?
> -It is the famous Louvre Palace, answers Albucius very proud.
> -AaaÂ… and how long did it take to build it?
> -If I recall correctly from wikipedia, the building was extended many times to form the present PalaceÂ…anyway around 300 years.
> -Aha, I understaaandÂ…but you knowÂ… in New York it would've only been 50 years to build it!
> With an Albucius a little annoyed, the tour continues. They pass near the Eiffel Tower but Albucius didn't stop. Intrigued, Cato stops walking and says:
> -Hey, Albucius, what's happening man; you don't see this tower, what is it?
> -I don't know, answer Albucius with a straight face. Yesterday it wasn't here!
>
> VALETE,
> Sabinus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82549 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-18
Subject: Re: Io !
IO SATURNALIA!

Well, I assumed everyone knows that the time in Nova Eboracum is *the* time :)

IO SATURNALIA!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> Catoni Sabinoque s.d.
>
> Hey Barbari ! ;-)
>
> When I wrote the msg below, I was yet on 18th (forgive me living at Rome time ;-) ), during the last night hours of Saturnalia.
>
> So the day after the 18th is, at least in my Gallo-Roman comput..., the 19th, so Opalia, is it not ? ;-)
>
> Valete ambo,
>
>
> Albucius cos.
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Memmio Albucio omnibusque in foro SPD
> >
> > Actually, consul, the Opalia is on the 19th :)
> >
> > Valete!
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Quirites,
> > >
> > > Have a sincere happy and not too cold Saturnalia week all, and family and parents !
> > >
> > > Tomorrow Opalia, then Divalia and Larentalia, this last one before Christmas' night.
> > >
> > > Like in Crispus' Britannia, sweet Gallia is under the snow.
> > >
> > >
> > > Valete omnes,
> > >
> > >
> > > Albucius cos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82550 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
Ave Iulia,

The 4th short story of my Roman detective C. Tiburtius Dexter, that I wrote in French and in Latin, is entitled: "Saturnalia cruenta" in English "bloody Saturnals", you can see that here:

The 4 stories:
http://www.circulus.fr/opera/fabulae/dexter/dexter.php

The bloody Saturnals:
http://www.circulus.fr/opera/fabulae/dexter/dexter_4.php

IO SATVRNALIA!

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. XIV Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82551 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Marcio Crispo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Salvete omnes
>
> From a snow-swept Britannia, we wish all citizens of the Republic a very happy
> season.
>
> ATS: Plurimas gratias tibi! The same to you, and to our citizens. I
> hope Britannia is equipped with the normal complement of a northern nation¹s
> winter arsenal: town plows, driveway plows, snowblowers, shovels, halite, ice
> melter...if not, perhaps Gallia can get you some, for we hear that Heathrow
> was closed (and for only a few inches, yet...). Maybe the chunnel is
> working...
>
> IO TRIUMPHE !
>
> IO SATURNALIA !
>
> May the Gods be with you and your families through the festival.
>
> Et tibi familiaeque tuae.
>
> Valete omnes
>
> et
>
> IO SATURNALIA !
>
> Crispus
> Legatus pro praetore
> Britannia
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82552 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
Crispus Scholasticae omnibus S.P.D.

Now look, you have to realise that Britannia, under the current post-roman administration, has two thousand years of tradition to maintain. We are permanently unprepared. We never have the necessary resources. We take a huge pride in cancelling all the trains because of a few leaves on the tracks. When it snows it is always the "wrong sort of snow" and we always have the "wrong sort of salt".

Machinery - from France? - oh no no no no no.

Make do and mend, keep calm and carry on, are perfectly good mottoes.
It has always been thus, so why expect anything different?

Fortunately we always seem to survive - the snow will, after all, have melted by next July, so what problem could there possibly be?

We laugh in the face of adversity. Never let it be said that we are now, or have ever been depressed. The cheerful cockney blows on his cold hands and whistles another tune. Perhaps like this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZUTV6F6IyM

Vale, et IO SATURNALIA! IO TRIOMPHE"

Crispus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica C. Marcio Crispo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> >
> > Salvete omnes
> >
> > From a snow-swept Britannia, we wish all citizens of the Republic a very happy
> > season.
> >
> > ATS: Plurimas gratias tibi! The same to you, and to our citizens. I
> > hope Britannia is equipped with the normal complement of a northern nation¹s
> > winter arsenal: town plows, driveway plows, snowblowers, shovels, halite, ice
> > melter...if not, perhaps Gallia can get you some, for we hear that Heathrow
> > was closed (and for only a few inches, yet...). Maybe the chunnel is
> > working...
> >
> > IO TRIUMPHE !
> >
> > IO SATURNALIA !
> >
> > May the Gods be with you and your families through the festival.
> >
> > Et tibi familiaeque tuae.
> >
> > Valete omnes
> >
> > et
> >
> > IO SATURNALIA !
> >
> > Crispus
> > Legatus pro praetore
> > Britannia
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82553 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: a.d. XIV Kal. Ian. - THE OPALIA
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

IO SATURNALIA!

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XIV Kalendas Ianuarius; hic dies nefastus
publicus est.


"Although it is much against my will to indulge in the explanatory
statements usually given in the prefaces to histories, yet I am
obliged to prefix to this work some remarks concerning myself. In
doing this it is neither my intention to dwell too long on my own
praise, which I know would be distasteful to the reader, nor have I
the purpose of censuring other historians, as Anaximenes and
Theopompus did in the prefaces to their histories but I shall only
show the reasons that induced me to undertake this work and give an
accounting of the sources from which I gained the knowledge of the
things that I am going to relate. For I am convinced that all who
propose to leave such monuments of their minds to posterity as time
shall not involve in one common ruin with their bodies, and
particularly those who write histories, in which we have the right to
assume that Truth, the source of both prudence and wisdom, is
enshrined, ought, first of all, to make choice of noble and lofty
subjects and such as will be of great utility to their readers, and
then, with great care and pains, to provide themselves with the proper
equipment for the treatment of their subject. For those who base
historical works upon deeds inglorious or evil or unworthy of serious
study, either because they crave to come to the knowledge of men and
to get a name of some sort or other, or because they desire to display
the wealth of their rhetoric, are neither admired by posterity for
their fame nor praised for their eloquent; rather, they leave this
opinion in the minds of all who take up their histories, that they
themselves admired lives which were of a piece with the writings they
published, since it is a just and a general opinion that a man's words
are the images of his mind. Those, on the other hand, who, while
making choice of the best subjects, are careless and indolent in
compiling their narratives out of such reports as chance to come to
their ears gain no praise by reason of that choice; for we do not deem
it fitting that the histories of renowned cities and of men who have
held supreme power should be written in an offhand or negligent
manner. As I believe these considerations to be necessary and of the
first importance to historians and as I have taken great care to
observe them both, I have felt unwilling either to omit mention of
them or to give it any other place than in the preface to my work.

That I have indeed made choice of a subject noble, lofty and useful to
many will not, I think, require any lengthy argument, at least for
those who are not utterly unacquainted with universal history. For if
anyone turns his attention to the successive supremacies both of
cities and of nations, as accounts of them have been handed down from
times past, and then, surveying them severally and comparing them
together, wishes to determine which of them obtained the widest
dominion and both in peace and war performed the most brilliant
achievements, he will find that the supremacy of the Romans has far
surpassed all those that are recorded from earlier times, not only in
the extent of its dominion and in the splendor of its achievements —
which no account has as yet worthily celebrated — but also in the
length of time during which it has endured down to our day. For the
empire of the Assyrians, ancient as it was and running back to
legendary times, held sway over only a small part of Asia. That of the
Medes, after overthrowing the Assyrian empire and obtaining a still
wider dominion, did not hold it long, but was overthrown in the fourth
generation. The Persians, who conquered the Medes, did, indeed,
finally become masters of almost all Asia; but when they attacked the
nations of Europe also, they did not reduce many of them to
submission, and they continued in power not much above two hundred
years. The Macedonian dominion, which overthrew the might of the
Persians, did, in the extent of its sway, exceed all its predecessors,
yet even it did not flourish long, but after Alexander's death began
to decline; for it was immediately partitioned among many commanders
from the time of the Diadochi, and although after their time it was
able to go on to the second or third generation, yet it was weakened
by its own dissensions and at the last destroyed by the Romans. But
even the Macedonian power did not subjugate every country and every
sea; for it neither conquered Libya, with the exception of the small
portion bordering on Egypt, nor subdued all Europe, but in the North
advanced only as far as Thrace and in the West down to the Adriatic
Sea." - Dionysis of Halicarnassus, Roman Antiquities 1.1-2


"Opis dicta est coniux Saturni per quam uolerunt terram significare,
quia omnes opes humano generi terra tribuit." (Ops is said to be the
wife of Saturn. By her they designated the earth, because the earth
distributes all goods to the human gender) - Festus 203.19

Today is the celebration of the Opalia, in honor of the goddess Ops,
also identified with Ceres and/or Rhea. Ops is the goddess of plenty.
She is the spouse of Saturn, the bountiful monarch of the Golden Age.
Just as Saturn was identified to Kronos, his Greek counterpart, Ops
was identified to Rhea, the wife of Kronos (or Kronus, in the Latin
spelling). The cult of Ops was instituted by King Titus Tatius, the
Sabine monarch. And Ops soon became the patroness of riches,
abundance, and prosperity both personal and national. On the Forum
Romanum she shared a sanctuary with the goddess Ceres as the
protectors of the harvest. The major temple was of Ops Capitolina, on
the Capitoline Hill, where Caesar had located the Treasury. Another
sanctuary was located in the Regia on the Forum Romanum.

Invariably associated with Consus, Ops was feasted with him in the
Opalia and the Opiconsivia. These festivals were also called
Consualia, in honor of Consus, her companion. Ops had a famous temple
in the Capitolium. In her statues and coins, Ops is figured sitting
down, as chthonian deities normally are, and generally holds a scepter
or a corn spike as her main attributes.

The Latin word ops means "riches, goods, abundance, gifts,
munificence, plenty". This word is also related to opus, meaning
"work" and, particularly "working the earth, ploughing, sowing". This
activity was of old deemed sacred, and was often attended by religious
rituals intended to obtain the good will of the chthonian deities such
as Ops and Consus.


Today is also the third day of the Saturnalia.

IO SATURNALIA!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82554 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Io Saturnalia!
SALVETE QVIRITES!

IO SATURNALIA!
IO SATURNALIA!!
IO SATURNALIA!!!
IO TRIUMPHE!!!!!!!

I wish you a blessed Saturnalia time!ú

VALETE!
Cn. Lentulus pontifex
sacerdos Concordiae


--- Ven 17/12/10, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> ha scritto:

Da: Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Io Saturnalia!
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Venerdì 17 dicembre 2010, 23:32







 









SALVE IULIA!



Thank you very much. Many greetings from Dacia and I wish all the best to you and your family.



VALE,

Sabinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>

> Io Saturnalia!

>

> Heartfelt warmest of wishes to you and your family for a peaceful, joyous and harmonious Saturnalia!

> Sint tibia onmia felicia et fausta!!!

>

> Laetae feriae!

>

> Cura ut valeas Amice,

>

> Julia

>

>

>

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@> wrote:

> >

> > SALVETE!

> >

> > Io Saturnalia! Io Triumphe! Anum Novum faustum felicem!

> >

> > VALETE,

> > Sabinus

> >

>

























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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82555 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Elections for 2764 results for Comitia *centuriata* - Official procl
Quirites !

Here are, certified by Custos G. Petronius Dexter, the official results of this year Annual Elections Comitia centuriata, which also worked this year, and for the first time in our history, as General Meeting of Nova Roma inc..

As last word on the failed Law 2 : it would have failed too according the Maine Law "voted by head" counting, for the invidual votes stated and certified (to come) by our diribitors are 19 vs. 19 votes for this proposal.
I will come back towards the Senate and you, Citizens, on this last matter.

I let you consult our diribitors's and custos' excellent work.

Sincere congratulations to our elected magistrates, and my sincere regrets for Sen. Q. Fabius Maximus, whose chances have been decided by the tie-break, so by our Gods, acting through the hands of Custos Dexter.

The results for the Comitia Tributa will be proclaimed asap.


Valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius cos.
presiding magistrate










To: albucius_aoe@...
CC: Curelec63@yahoogroups.com
From: jfarnoud94@...
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:26:01 +0100
Subject: [Curelec63] Centuriata results.







C. Petronius Dexter custos P. Memmio Albucio consuli s.p.d.,

I certify the tally of votes in elections as reported to me by the diribitores, and in this first message having broken the ties among the centuries I can give the results for the centuriata votes:


CENTURIATA VOTES:
Article 4:
The first class century �VIII� is designed, by drawing by lots, as the prerogative century of the comitia centuriata convened for the elections 2763
auc and for the annual General Meeting of Nova Roma inc.
Article 5:
The counting and tally of the votes cast by the Comitia Centuriata will thus begin by Centuria VIII, and be carried on first with the other first class centuries: I to VII, IX to XIV, and second by the other remaining centuries.

Centuria Praerogativa:
Class I - Century VIII.

Candidates:
Publius Memmius Albucius Censor,
Gaius Equitius Cato Consul,
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Consul,
Quintus Fabius Maximus Praetor,
Marcus Cornelius Gualterus Graecus Praetor,
Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Praetor,

Law Proposals:
1/ Nova Roma Activity & Finances Law Proposal
2/ Senate Seats Law Proposal

Voting Centuries :
Class I :
08, 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 07, 09, 10, 11, 13.
Class II :
16, 17, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25.
Class III :
28, 31, 34.
Class IV :
39, 40.
Class V :
47, 48.
Out of Class :
51.

Total: 26 centuries voted.

Censorship:
Publius Memmius Albucius received the vote of the following centuries:
08, 02, 03, 04, 05, 07, 09, 10, 11, 16, 17, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 28, 31, 34, 40, 48, 51.
[Total: 22 centuries.]

Consulship:

Centuries 13 and 47 did not vote any candidate for consuls.
26 -2 = 24 centuries voted for consuls.

Gaius Equitius Cato received the vote of the following centuries:
08, 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 07, 09, 10, 11, 16, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 28, 31, 34, 40, 48, 51.
[Total: 22 centuries.]
C. Cato has the first seat in the centuries:
22 and 34.

Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator received the vote of the following centuries:
08, 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 07, 09, 10, 11, 16, 17, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 28, 31, 39, 40, 48, 51.
[Total: 23 centuries.]
P. Venator has the fist seat in the centuries:
02, 17 and 39.

24 - 5 = 19 centuries are tied for the first seat.

(For the voting process to break the ties, cf. lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum centuriatorum, 5.1.1)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Fabia_de_ratione_comitiorum_centuriatorum_%28Nova_Roma%29

So, in the consular race, the following centuries are tied:
08, 01, 03, 04, 05,
07, 09, 10, 11, 16,
21, 23, 24, 25, 28,
31, 40, 48, 51.


The tie break is favorable for Gaius Equitius Cato in the centuries:
01, 07, 09, 10, 11, 24, 25, 40 and 48.
[9 centuries]


The tie break is favorable for Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator in the centuries:
08, 03, 04, 05, 16, 21, 23, 28, 31, 51.
[10 centuries]

Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator is elected consul maior.
[10 + 3 = 13 centuries]
Gaius Equitius Cato is elected consul minor.
[9 + 2 = 11 centuries]

Praetorship:

Quintus Fabius Maximus received the vote of the following centuries:
08, 01, 02, 07, 09, 10, 11, 16, 22, 24, 28, 39, 48, 51.
[Total: 14 centuries.]

Marcus Cornelius Gualterus Graecus received the vote of the following centuries:
02, 03, 04, 10, 13, 17, 21, 22, 23, 25, 31, 39, 48.
[Total: 13 centuries.]

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar received the vote of the following centuries:
01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 07, 09, 10, 11, 16, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 28, 31, 34, 40, 48, 51.
[Total: 21 centuries.]

Q. Fabius Maximus is winner in the centuries:
08.
Total: 1 century]
M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus is winner in the centuries:
02, 03, 13, 17, 22 and 48.
[Total: 6 centuries]
Cn. Iulius Caesar is winner in the centuries:
04, 05, 10, 34 and 40.
[Total: 5 centuries.]

The following centuries are tied between
Q. Fabius Maximus and Cn. Iulius Caesar:
01, 07, 09, 11, 16, 24, 28, 51.
[Total: 8 centuries]


The tie break is favorable for Q. Fabius Maximus in the centuries:
24 and 28.
[Total: 2 centuries]

The tie break is favorable for Cn. Iulius Caesar in the centuries:
01, 07, 09, 11, 16 and 51.
[Total: 6 centuries]


The following century is tied between
Q. Fabius Maximus and M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus
39.

The tie break is favorable for M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus in the century:
39.

[Total: 1 century]


The following centuries are tied between
M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus and Cn. Iulius Caesar:
21, 23, 25 and 31.

The tie break is favorable for M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus in the centuries:
23 and 31.
[Total: 2 centuries]

The tie break is favorable for Cn. Iulius Caesar in the centuries:
21 and 25.
[Total: 2 centuries]

Final result:
Cn. Iulius Caesar is elected praetor maior by the following centuries:
01, 04, 05, 07, 09, 10, 11, 16, 21, 25, 34, 40 and 51.
[Total: 13 centuries]
M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus is elected by the following tribes:
02, 03, 13, 17, 22, 23, 31, 39 and 48.
[Total: 9 centuries.]
Q. Fabius Maximus is not elected.
08, 24 and 28.
[Total: 3 centuries.]

MAGISTRATES:

Publius Memmius Albucius is elected Censor.

Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator is elected Consul maior.
Gaius Equitius Cato is elected Consul minor.

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar is elected Praetor maior.
Marcus Cornelius Gualterus Graecus is elected Praetor minor.
Quintus Fabius Maximus is not elected Praetor.



LAWS:

Law 1:

The following centuries voted: Yes.
08, 02, 03, 04, 05, 07, 09, 10, 11, 16, 17, 22, 23, 24, 25, 28, 31, 34, 40, 48, 51.
[Total: 21 centuries.]
The following centuries voted : No.
01, 13, 21, 39, 47.
[Total: 5 centuries.]


According Nova Roma Inc. internal rules,
Law 1 passed.

Law 2:

The following centuries voted: Yes.
04, 05, 09, 10, 11, 16, 23, 25, 28, 34, 40.
[Total: 10 centuries.]

The following centuries voted : No.
08, 01, 02, 03, 07, 13, 17, 21, 22, 24, 28, 31, 39, 47, 48, 51.
[Total: 16 centuries.]


According Nova Roma Inc. internal rules,
Law 2 failed.

-----------------------------------------------------

Optime valete.

--
C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. XIV Kal. Ian. P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82556 From: Francesc Garcia Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: Io Saturnalia!
SALVETE OMNES,

IO SATURNALIA !

VALETE OMNES.

PVBLIVS CORNELIVS OPTATVS

From: C. Aemilius Crassus
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 5:08 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Io Saturnalia!


Salvete omnes,

And the wishes of good and pleasant Saturnalia to everyone and to your
families.

Io Triumphe!

Io Saturnalia!

Valete omnes.

C. Aemilius Crassus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82557 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Results for Comitia Centuriata - Elections for 2764 AUC
Salve et Salvete;

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Publius Memmius Albucius sent:

> C. Petronius Dexter custos P. Memmio Albucio consuli s.p.d.,

[excised and edited to essentials]

Firstly, my thanks to those who did vote.

Also to Consul Albucius in pushing ahead to find a method whereby we
could hold elections, to our Custos C Petronius and our Diribitors,
whose names escape my ability to search the archives of this list.
Please, someone inform me, so I might thank them by name; public
corrections are welcomed.

> MAGISTRATES:
>
> Publius Memmius Albucius is elected Censor.

Venator: Congratulations, I believe that you and your colleagues to
be (present and future) will keep the office on an even keel.

>
> Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator is elected Consul maior.

Venator: Having been more of a career Sergeant, the idea of being a
Major anything is somewhat foreign.

However, thank you all and I hope that I shall earn your vote each and
every day. I stood for this office only in the hopes of being of use
to you all. Through out my long record of being in various
organizations, I have never been one to seek the limelight, nor wanted
a lot of recognition save the end result being what is best for the
group; whether it was a patrol of 7 Boy Scouts or an SCA Barony of
over 300 members.

I have been a manual laborer, a manager in an electronics factory and
have held many different jobs in between. I have taught (informally)
many of the skills I possess to others, several of whom have gone on
to regional or national recognition.

The student exceeding the teacher, that is where my thirst for acclaim lies.

Please, be assured, it is my method to work collegially. G Equitius
and I may have disagreements during our working out things we want to
do, but I shall endeavor to keep any and all discussions as dignified
and amicable as is humanly possible. I think it helps that he and I
are on friendly terms coming into this.

> Gaius Equitius Cato is elected Consul minor.

Venator: I seriously believed that with your demonstrated ability to
articulate the issues and offer solutions, the voters would have voted
you as Consul maior. My hand to you across the photon stream in the
spirit of cooperation, and the desire to help improve this Res
Publica, of which we have been entrusted the leadership and
administration.

>
> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar is elected Praetor maior.
> Marcus Cornelius Gualterus Graecus is elected Praetor minor.

> Quintus Fabius Maximus is not elected Praetor.

Venator: All three of these men have my respect, both for their
knowledge and their manner of straightforward expression of ideas and
opinions. All are a credit to our Res Publica.

>
> LAWS:
>
> Law 1:
> 21 centuries voted: Yes
> 5 centuries voted :  No
>
> Law 2:
> 10 centuries voted: Yes.
> 16 centuries voted :  No.
>
> According Nova Roma Inc. internal rules,
> Law 1 passed.
> Law 2 failed.
>

Laws, laws, laws...much to be re-read, much to think about, much
(perhaps) to fix...

Again, my thanks to those who did choose to vote. Your input, during
elections and throughout the year, is the only measure we will have
about the direction in which our Nova Roma is traveling.

As I said in my statement of candidacy, I am neither the most educated
nor cultured of men, but I do know how to listen and read. I think,
and try very hard to respond and comment from a position of reason,
rather than emotion. As demonstrated in the past, I sometimes fail at
this.

My colleague to be, G Equitius Cato, and I have been in touch. I
believe that he and I have the ambition in common that our Res Publica
will not just survive, but thrive.

--
In amicitia et fide
P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis et Poeta
Consul Elect
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82558 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: Results for Comitia Centuriata - Elections for 2764 AUC
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

IO SATURNALIA!

I am grateful to have been elected, and with a colleague for whom I have so much respect; I will do everything in my power to justify the trust and authority placed in my hands by the People of our Respublica.

My sincerest congratulations to all the newly-elected magistrates; I am eager to begin working - in an official capacity - with them all.

IO SATURNALIA!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82559 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
Livia Crispo sal.

Well, it seems Britons do have a lot in common with Italians. A bit of snow
just blocked half the country, with the motorway administration blaming
truckers, and each authority blaming someone else. Winter is somehowy always
unexpected. Lucky administrations, which view each winter with the genuine
surprise of a newborn babe!

Optime vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS"
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:41 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: IO SATURNALIA!


Crispus Scholasticae omnibus S.P.D.

Now look, you have to realise that Britannia, under the current post-roman
administration, has two thousand years of tradition to maintain. We are
permanently unprepared. We never have the necessary resources. We take a
huge pride in cancelling all the trains because of a few leaves on the
tracks. When it snows it is always the "wrong sort of snow" and we always
have the "wrong sort of salt".

Machinery - from France? - oh no no no no no.

Make do and mend, keep calm and carry on, are perfectly good mottoes.
It has always been thus, so why expect anything different?

Fortunately we always seem to survive - the snow will, after all, have
melted by next July, so what problem could there possibly be?

We laugh in the face of adversity. Never let it be said that we are now, or
have ever been depressed. The cheerful cockney blows on his cold hands and
whistles another tune. Perhaps like this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZUTV6F6IyM

Vale, et IO SATURNALIA! IO TRIOMPHE"

Crispus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...>
wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica C. Marcio Crispo quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> > S.P.D.
> >
> >
> > Salvete omnes
> >
> > From a snow-swept Britannia, we wish all citizens of the Republic a very
> > happy
> > season.
> >
> > ATS: Plurimas gratias tibi! The same to you, and to our citizens.
> > I
> > hope Britannia is equipped with the normal complement of a northern
> > nation¹s
> > winter arsenal: town plows, driveway plows, snowblowers, shovels,
> > halite, ice
> > melter...if not, perhaps Gallia can get you some, for we hear that
> > Heathrow
> > was closed (and for only a few inches, yet...). Maybe the chunnel is
> > working...
> >
> > IO TRIUMPHE !
> >
> > IO SATURNALIA !
> >
> > May the Gods be with you and your families through the festival.
> >
> > Et tibi familiaeque tuae.
> >
> > Valete omnes
> >
> > et
> >
> > IO SATURNALIA !
> >
> > Crispus
> > Legatus pro praetore
> > Britannia
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82560 From: Leah Bernardo-Ciddio Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
Salve,

We heard from our relatives in San Costantino Calabro the other day - they
had snow that far south as well and were not happy at all, quite panicky
really! Of course we laughed, but we do hope that they are not too
inconvenienced by what they got ;)

Vale,
Livia Ocella

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 3:52 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:

>
>
> Livia Crispo sal.
>
> Well, it seems Britons do have a lot in common with Italians. A bit of snow
>
> just blocked half the country, with the motorway administration blaming
> truckers, and each authority blaming someone else. Winter is somehowy
> always
> unexpected. Lucky administrations, which view each winter with the genuine
> surprise of a newborn babe!
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS"
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:41 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: IO SATURNALIA!
>
> Crispus Scholasticae omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Now look, you have to realise that Britannia, under the current post-roman
> administration, has two thousand years of tradition to maintain. We are
> permanently unprepared. We never have the necessary resources. We take a
> huge pride in cancelling all the trains because of a few leaves on the
> tracks. When it snows it is always the "wrong sort of snow" and we always
> have the "wrong sort of salt".
>
> Machinery - from France? - oh no no no no no.
>
> Make do and mend, keep calm and carry on, are perfectly good mottoes.
> It has always been thus, so why expect anything different?
>
> Fortunately we always seem to survive - the snow will, after all, have
> melted by next July, so what problem could there possibly be?
>
> We laugh in the face of adversity. Never let it be said that we are now, or
>
> have ever been depressed. The cheerful cockney blows on his cold hands and
> whistles another tune. Perhaps like this one.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZUTV6F6IyM
>
> Vale, et IO SATURNALIA! IO TRIOMPHE"
>
> Crispus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "A. Tullia
> Scholastica" <fororom@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > A. Tullia Scholastica C. Marcio Crispo quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> > > S.P.D.
> > >
> > >
> > > Salvete omnes
> > >
> > > From a snow-swept Britannia, we wish all citizens of the Republic a
> very
> > > happy
> > > season.
> > >
> > > ATS: Plurimas gratias tibi! The same to you, and to our citizens.
> > > I
> > > hope Britannia is equipped with the normal complement of a northern
> > > nation�s
> > > winter arsenal: town plows, driveway plows, snowblowers, shovels,
> > > halite, ice
> > > melter...if not, perhaps Gallia can get you some, for we hear that
> > > Heathrow
> > > was closed (and for only a few inches, yet...). Maybe the chunnel is
> > > working...
> > >
> > > IO TRIUMPHE !
> > >
> > > IO SATURNALIA !
> > >
> > > May the Gods be with you and your families through the festival.
> > >
> > > Et tibi familiaeque tuae.
> > >
> > > Valete omnes
> > >
> > > et
> > >
> > > IO SATURNALIA !
> > >
> > > Crispus
> > > Legatus pro praetore
> > > Britannia
> > >
> > > Vale, et valete.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82561 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Election 63 - Official results of the Com. Tributa
Quirites, salvete iterum !

Here are the results for our Comitia tributa, certified below by Custos tribunicius G. Petronius Dexter.

So :

"Are elected aediles curules:
St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia aedilis curulis maior.
A. Vitellius Celsus aedilis curulis minor.

App. Domitia Taura is elected for Quaestor.
Ti. Cornelius Scipio is elected for Rogator.
L. Cornelius Sulla Felix is elected for Custos."

My sincere congratulations and thanks, also, for these citizens, for having run for these magistracies. As the high magistrates elected in our Comitia Centuriata, they now wear a part of the burden of Rome on their shoulders. :-)

Valete Magistrates et omnes !


Albucius cos.
pres. magistrate




From: c.petronius-dexter@...
To: albucius_aoe@...
CC: Curelec63@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Report: Tributa results.
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:02:51 +0100





C. Petronius Dexter Custos P. Memmio Albucio Consuli s.p.d.,


I certify the tally of votes in elections as reported to me by the diribitores, and in this second message having broken the ties among the tribes for the first position of the aediles curules I can give the results for the tributa votes:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

TRIBUTA VOTES:
Article 2:
�Tribe Maecia� is designed, by drawing by lots, as the presiding tribe of the comitia populi convened for the elections 2763 auc.
Article 3:
"The counting and tally of the votes which will be cast by the Comitia Populi will thus begin by Tribe Maecia, and be carried on by the following
tribes: Pupinia, Arnensis, Suburana, Esquilina, Collina, Palatina, Romilia, Scaptia, Stellatina, Teretina, Voturia, Sergia, Tromentina, Oufetina,
Fabia, Clustuminia, Lemonia, Horatia, Quirina, Cornelia, Sabatina, Aemilia, Aniensis, Falerna, Camillia, Galeria, Pomptina, Claudia, Velina,
Menenia, Papiria, Votinia, Poblilia, Pollia."

Voting tribes:
22 (Maecia), 24 (Romilia), 27 (Teretina), 29 (Sergia), 31 (Oufetina), 35 (Suburana),1 (Fabia),2 (Clustuminia), 3 (Lemonia), 6 (Cornelia), 8
(Aemilia), 9 (Aniensis), 12 (Galeria), 13 (Pomptina), 14 (Claudia), 15 (Velina), 16 (Arnensis), 17 (Menenia), 18 (Papiria), 19 (Votinia), 20
(Poblilia), 21 (Pollia).

22 tribes on 35 voted.

Presiding tribe:
Maecia (22)

Candidates:
Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia Aedilis Curulis,
Aulus Vitellius Celsus Aedilis Curulis,
Appia Domitia Taura Quaestor,
Tiberius Cornelius Scipio Rogator,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix Custos.


Aedileship:

We have 2 candidates so, according our laws, one who will be declared as nb 1.
I remind you the applicable text :
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Fabia_de_ratione_comitiorum_populi_tributorum_%28Nova_Roma%29


The tribe 18 (Papiria) did not vote candidates for aedilis curulis.
22 - 1 = 21.

R�sults:
St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia received the vote of the following tribes:
24, 27, 29, 31, 35, 01, 02, 03, 06, 08, 09, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21.
[Total: 20 Tribes.]

St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia has the first seat in the tribes:
29, 31, 01, 02 and 19.
[Total: 5 tribes.]

A. Vitellius Celsus received the vote of the following tribes:
22, 24, 27, 29, 31, 35, 02, 03, 06, 08, 09, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21.
[Total: 20 Tribes.]


A. Vitellius Celsus has the first seat in the tribes:
22 and 9.

[Total: 2 tribes.]

The following tribes are tied:
24, 27, 35, 03, 06,
08, 12, 13, 14, 15,
16, 17, 20, 21.
[Total: 21 - 5 - 2 = 14 tribes.]


The tie break is favorable for St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia in the tribes:
24, 06, 13, 16, 17 and 20.
[Total: 6 tribes.]


The tie break is favorable for A. Vitellius Celsus in the tribes:
27, 35, 03, 08, 12, 14, 15 and 21.
[Total: 8 tribes]

St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia is elected aedilis curulis maior:
[ Total: 5 + 6 = 11 tribes.]

A. Vitellius Celsus is elected aedilis curulis minor:
[Total: 2 + 8 = 10 tribes.]


App. Domitia Taura received the vote of the following tribes:
22, 24, 27, 29, 31, 35, 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 19, 20.
[Total: 18 Tribes.]

Ti. Cornelius Scipio received the vote of the following tribes:
22, 24, 27, 29, 31, 35, 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21.
[Total: 21 Tribes.]

L. Cornelius Sulla Felix received the vote of the following tribes:
22, 24, 27, 29, 31, 35, 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20.
[Total: 19 Tribes.]

Are elected aediles curules:
St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia aedilis curulis maior.
A. Vitellius Celsus aedilis curulis minor.

App. Domitia Taura is elected for Quaestor.
Ti. Cornelius Scipio is elected for Rogator.
L. Cornelius Sulla Felix is elected for Custos.


------------------------------------------------

Optime valete.

--
C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a.d. XIV Kal. Ian. P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82562 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: congratulations and best wishes
C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

Now that the people have spoken, I offer my congratulations to all our new
magistrates. It is my hope that the Res Publica will prosper during this
coming year under their care, and my prayer to Vesta Mater that all our
magistrates and citizens will remain in the light and warmth of her
protection, for I entirely believe that in that light all citizens, no
matter their political views or philosophies, can work constructively
together to overcome our obstacles and continue to build Nova Roma in ways
that will have both short and long term benefits.

Valete quam optime!
C. Maria Caeca, Sacerdos Vestae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82563 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: Election 63 - Official results of the Com. Tributa
Statia Cornelia Aeternia P. Memmio Albucuio Omnibus S.P.D.



*blinks*


Oh wow, very close race for us Aediles. Aeternia sends greetings to her
new Colleague.


A big thank you goes to the Diribitors, Custos, and Presiding Magistrate for
all three of these elections, they took time out of their personal lives to
do this. They are rockstars in their own merits, so thank you gents and
take a bow for you deserve it.

I will post a more suitable post of thanks and acceptance when time is more
allowable and errands have been completed.

Gratias tibi ago

Vale Optime,
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Publius Memmius Albucius <
albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

>
> Quirites, salvete iterum !
>
> Here are the results for our Comitia tributa, certified below by Custos
> tribunicius G. Petronius Dexter.
>
> So :
>
> "Are elected aediles curules:
> St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia aedilis curulis maior.
> A. Vitellius Celsus aedilis curulis minor.
>
> App. Domitia Taura is elected for Quaestor.
> Ti. Cornelius Scipio is elected for Rogator.
> L. Cornelius Sulla Felix is elected for Custos."
>
> My sincere congratulations and thanks, also, for these citizens, for having
> run for these magistracies. As the high magistrates elected in our Comitia
> Centuriata, they now wear a part of the burden of Rome on their shoulders.
> :-)
>
> Valete Magistrates et omnes !
>
>
> Albucius cos.
> pres. magistrate
>
>
>
>
> From: c.petronius-dexter@...
> To: albucius_aoe@...
> CC: Curelec63@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Report: Tributa results.
> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:02:51 +0100
>
>
>
>
>
> C. Petronius Dexter Custos P. Memmio Albucio Consuli s.p.d.,
>
>
> I certify the tally of votes in elections as reported to me by the
> diribitores, and in this second message having broken the ties among the
> tribes for the first position of the aediles curules I can give the results
> for the tributa votes:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> TRIBUTA VOTES:
> Article 2:
> �Tribe Maecia� is designed, by drawing by lots, as the presiding tribe of
> the comitia populi convened for the elections 2763 auc.
> Article 3:
> "The counting and tally of the votes which will be cast by the Comitia
> Populi will thus begin by Tribe Maecia, and be carried on by the following
> tribes: Pupinia, Arnensis, Suburana, Esquilina, Collina, Palatina, Romilia,
> Scaptia, Stellatina, Teretina, Voturia, Sergia, Tromentina, Oufetina,
> Fabia, Clustuminia, Lemonia, Horatia, Quirina, Cornelia, Sabatina, Aemilia,
> Aniensis, Falerna, Camillia, Galeria, Pomptina, Claudia, Velina,
> Menenia, Papiria, Votinia, Poblilia, Pollia."
>
> Voting tribes:
> 22 (Maecia), 24 (Romilia), 27 (Teretina), 29 (Sergia), 31 (Oufetina), 35
> (Suburana),1 (Fabia),2 (Clustuminia), 3 (Lemonia), 6 (Cornelia), 8
> (Aemilia), 9 (Aniensis), 12 (Galeria), 13 (Pomptina), 14 (Claudia), 15
> (Velina), 16 (Arnensis), 17 (Menenia), 18 (Papiria), 19 (Votinia), 20
> (Poblilia), 21 (Pollia).
>
> 22 tribes on 35 voted.
>
> Presiding tribe:
> Maecia (22)
>
> Candidates:
> Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia Aedilis Curulis,
> Aulus Vitellius Celsus Aedilis Curulis,
> Appia Domitia Taura Quaestor,
> Tiberius Cornelius Scipio Rogator,
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix Custos.
>
>
> Aedileship:
>
> We have 2 candidates so, according our laws, one who will be declared as nb
> 1.
> I remind you the applicable text :
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Fabia_de_ratione_comitiorum_populi_tributorum_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
>
> The tribe 18 (Papiria) did not vote candidates for aedilis curulis.
> 22 - 1 = 21.
>
> R�sults:
> St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia received the vote of the following
> tribes:
> 24, 27, 29, 31, 35, 01, 02, 03, 06, 08, 09, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20,
> 21.
> [Total: 20 Tribes.]
>
> St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia has the first seat in the tribes:
> 29, 31, 01, 02 and 19.
> [Total: 5 tribes.]
>
> A. Vitellius Celsus received the vote of the following tribes:
> 22, 24, 27, 29, 31, 35, 02, 03, 06, 08, 09, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20,
> 21.
> [Total: 20 Tribes.]
>
>
> A. Vitellius Celsus has the first seat in the tribes:
> 22 and 9.
>
> [Total: 2 tribes.]
>
> The following tribes are tied:
> 24, 27, 35, 03, 06,
> 08, 12, 13, 14, 15,
> 16, 17, 20, 21.
> [Total: 21 - 5 - 2 = 14 tribes.]
>
>
> The tie break is favorable for St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia in
> the tribes:
> 24, 06, 13, 16, 17 and 20.
> [Total: 6 tribes.]
>
>
> The tie break is favorable for A. Vitellius Celsus in the tribes:
> 27, 35, 03, 08, 12, 14, 15 and 21.
> [Total: 8 tribes]
>
> St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia is elected aedilis curulis maior:
> [ Total: 5 + 6 = 11 tribes.]
>
> A. Vitellius Celsus is elected aedilis curulis minor:
> [Total: 2 + 8 = 10 tribes.]
>
>
> App. Domitia Taura received the vote of the following tribes:
> 22, 24, 27, 29, 31, 35, 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 19, 20.
> [Total: 18 Tribes.]
>
> Ti. Cornelius Scipio received the vote of the following tribes:
> 22, 24, 27, 29, 31, 35, 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20,
> 21.
> [Total: 21 Tribes.]
>
> L. Cornelius Sulla Felix received the vote of the following tribes:
> 22, 24, 27, 29, 31, 35, 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20.
> [Total: 19 Tribes.]
>
> Are elected aediles curules:
> St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia aedilis curulis maior.
> A. Vitellius Celsus aedilis curulis minor.
>
> App. Domitia Taura is elected for Quaestor.
> Ti. Cornelius Scipio is elected for Rogator.
> L. Cornelius Sulla Felix is elected for Custos.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> Optime valete.
>
> --
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a.d. XIV Kal. Ian. P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82564 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Salvete Magistrates, Pontiffs et Populi Nova Romana;

Cato and I have exchanged some ideas. I think his proposals are a
good starting point for discussion between us over the next few weeks;
I am disposed towards his view of things...

I am of the opinion, that for the milieu of Nova Roma to improve,
those of us who have been critical need to lead by example, not just
in our ideas and actions, but in our manner of address, too. Not so
much in the Back Alley, which I look upon as a neighborhood tavern
where everyone is not only expected to let it all hang out, but to set
aside the niceties at times, but most definitely on our Main List.

I'd like for the ML to become the crossroads of Nova Roma, for Citizen
and guest alike. A thriving community should be able to have
conversations on any topic in its main forum, which is of interests to
even just a pair of citizens or guests.

But, Magistra Scholastica, is correct; the Main List is not in an
age-restricted area of Yahoo
Groups, as is the Back Alley (a wholly Roman, but not Nova Roman
list). With just a little more effort, I know that folks who are very
passionate about their views can express them with vigor, but without
language best saved for an adults only venue.

Life, folks, is not about continual tit for tat, not in a functional
and functioning community...the incessant "who hit Jan" verbiage has
to stop for us to go forward.

I should like very much for us to close the Nova Roma Book, Volume One
- the Early Years and get into Volume Two - The Growth and Building
Years...

You have all seen glimmers of my own ability to be, frankly, pointedly
offensive. I do not like using that ability. I prefer to write like
I actually speak, and address issues rather than get into endless
sessions of epithet and nickname slinging.

Some of the Nova Roma folks for whom I have the greatest depth of
respect and interest in meeting face-to-face "reside" on both the Back
Alley and this list.

There are very few men and women I've ever met who are capable of
being fully good or fully bad; met a few who were fully nonsensical,
though. It seems to me to be nonsensical to continue to go after
folks who have failed in putting forth their agenda; keep a careful
watch to ward against recurrences of things, which have proven to not
forward the goal of building Nova Roma, certainly, but obsess over
shredding them completely...this does nothing but create a festering
wound, which will abscess, burst and spill pus all over everything...

Let us open this new volume in our history by taking both the ethical
and mannerly high ground.

Should malfeasance in office over the past year be pursued, yes.
Should we seek "capital punishment" when a "scourging will do, no.

I do think that former Cives should be invited to return, with
conditions of moderation set by the Praetors dependent upon
demonstrated past behavior.

I also hope that all the magistrates can work collegially when possible.

I hope that those who are former magistrates will keep a sharp eye on
my proposals and those of my fellow magistrates. Call us on things
when we are loony. Give us pointers when we are close to the right
track. Let us know when the thoughts are sound.

Please, keep the observations tightly confined to the ideas, let the
age of personality comment draw to a close.

Otherwise, I should dearly love to see wide ranging conversations on
topics of interest from both worlds, Roma Antiqua et Roma Nova.

--
In amicitia et fide
P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis et Poeta
Consul Elect
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82565 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: Re: congratulations and best wishes
Salve C Maria;

Thank you!

As home and hearth are always near to my heart, a prayer from you to
Vesta gladdens me.

Bene Vale - Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82566 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-12-19
Subject: FW: [Explorator] explorator 13.35
Salvete

FYI

Valete

Ti. Galerius Paulinus



To: explorator@yahoogroups.com; BRITARCH@...
From: rogueclassicist@...
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:44:24 -0500
Subject: [Explorator] explorator 13.35






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Thanks to Arthur Shippee, Dave Sowdon,David Critchley,
Edward Rockstein, Joan Griffith, Rick Heli, Dorothy King, Feral Boy,
John Hall, Kurt Theis, Jennifer Cosham, George Somsel,
John McMahon, Barnea Selavan, Patrick Swan,
Joseph Lauer, Geoffrey Fishburn, Mike Ruggeri, Richard Campbell,
Richard C. Griffiths, Bob Heuman, and Ross W. Sargent for headses
upses this week (as always hoping I have left no one out).
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EARLY HUMANS
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Neanderthals apparently made the earliest tool made from human bone:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40718850/ns/technology_and_science-science/
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Neanderthals-crafted-first-tool/Article1-639154.aspx
http://www.livescience.com/history/Neanderthals-made-human-bone-tools-101215.html

A neanderthal story is one of Discover Magazine's top 100 stories of 2010:

http://discovermagazine.com/2011/jan-feb/72

All those early humans chowed down on each other, apparently:

http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/cannibalism-early-humans-bones-101213.html

cf: http://www.slate.com/id/2278240/pagenum/all/#p2
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ANCIENT NEAR EAST AND EGYPT
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Fragments of a statue of Hapi found during excavations of Amenhotep III's
temple at Luxor:

http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/statue-cemetery-found-near-egyptian-tomb.html#mkcpgn=rssnws1
http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-statue-pieces-pharaonic-temple.html
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20101218/world-news/dig-finds-statue-pieces-in-pharaonic-temple-ruins
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1967816/archaeologists_find_statue_of_ancient_god_and_pharaoh/index.html?source=r_science
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/16/AR2010121603859.html
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/16/egypt-statue-discovered-ancient-ruins/
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jppWJTr_KCvdjvHatt0W1k6hGO-Q?docId=CNG.fe1d0589886b23ad62bffe61357001df.351

Prehellenistic temple find (and more) from Tal Ahmar (Syria):

http://www.english.globalarabnetwork.com/201012138355/Related-news-from-Syria/archaeologists-pre-hellenistic-temple-discovered-in-southern-syria.html

Iron Age remains from Oman:

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/oman/iron-age-settlements-unearthed-in-oman-1.729771

Concerns after a storm damages Caesarea:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-antiquities-chief-caeserea-storm-damage-a-national-disaster-1.330789
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3998013,00.html
http://www.theage.com.au/world/storm-batters-antiquities-20101216-18zk0.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8204323/Ruins-of-Caesarea-in-danger-of-falling-into-the-sea.html

They're drilling deep into the Dead Sea ... might be interesting:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/18/world/middleeast/18deadsea.html

They're opening the baptismal font at Hagia Sophia to the public:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=world8217s-largest-baptism-pool-to-open-to-visitors-in-spring-2010-12-14

More on lost civilizations beneath the Persian Gulf:

http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2010/1210/Is-there-a-lost-civilization-under-the-Persian-Gulf?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+feeds%2Fscience+%28Christian+Science+Monitor+%7C+Science%29

Egyptology News Blog:

http://egyptology.blogspot.com/

Egyptology Blog:

http://www.egyptologyblog.co.uk/

Dr Leen Ritmeyer's Blog:

http://blog.ritmeyer.com/

Paleojudaica:

http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/

Persepolis Fortification Archives:

http://persepolistablets.blogspot.com/

Archaeologist at Large:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/ArchaeologyinEgypt/
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ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME (AND CLASSICS)
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They've buried Allianoi:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=allianoi-completely-burried-in-sand-2010-12-13

More opeddish things about Pompeii (these vary):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2010/dec/13/ovid-roman-sex-pompeii
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/14/arts/design/14pompeii.html
http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/international/4466245/Crumbling-Pompeii-needs-urgent-attention
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1965417/pompeii_collapses_spark_criticism/index.html?source=r_science
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hLZVR4IQeaIpn07gPCzjecQ-RjqA?docId=CNG.d17e4b4251cf887af9f26758f0b95e46.131
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BC1NT20101213?feedType=RSS&feedName=scienceNews
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-world/pompeii-collapse-forces-italy-into-heritage-debate-20101213-18v11.html

... and nine people are under investigation in regards to recent collapses:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/entertainment/a/-/entertainment/8526010/nine-investigated-over-pompeii-collapses/
http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/English/CultureAndMedia/Italy-Nine-people-under-investigation-for-Pompeii-collapses_311414199688.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hbXPD3PpX_gDEG71vrcAPFKuTW-w?docId=CNG.fe1d0589886b23ad62bffe61357001df.571

From the Italian press:

http://napoli.repubblica.it/cronaca/2010/12/16/news/nove_avvisi_di_garanzia_per_i_crolli_di_pompei-10268764/?ref=HREC1-10
http://napoli.repubblica.it/cronaca/2010/11/06/foto/pompei_crolla_la_domus_dei_gladiatori-8816475/1/

Concerns after a storm damages Caesarea:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-antiquities-chief-caeserea-storm-damage-a-national-disaster-1.330789
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3998013,00.html
http://www.theage.com.au/world/storm-batters-antiquities-20101216-18zk0.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8204323/Ruins-of-Caesarea-in-danger-of-falling-into-the-sea.html

... and that big storm seems to be the same one which exposed a Roman statue
in Ashkelon:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/roman-statue-discovered-in-ashkelon-after-storm-damage-1.330629
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339051/The-sea-gave-Wonder-Israel-ancient-Roman-statue-buried-thousands-years-uncovered-storm.html
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=4&article_id=122572
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10694576&ref=rss
http://news.yahoo.com/s/artinfo/20101215/en_artinfo/freed_by_a_storm_an_ancient_roman_maiden_appears_on_an_israeli_beach_1
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE6BD3CW20101214
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/12/14/israel.storm.statue/index.html?section=cnn_latest
http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/14/5648784-violent-storm-reveals-ancient-art-on-the-coast-of-israel-
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90854/7232331.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/15/ancient-roman-statue-unco_n_797110.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/11999231
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11995443
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/14/AR2010121404646.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/14/world/main7149503.shtml
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/141159
http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/14/5648784-violent-storm-reveals-ancient-art-on-the-coast-of-israel-?chromedomain=cosmiclog
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/roman-statue-discovered-in-ashkelon-after-storm-damage-1.330629
http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=199422
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BD3CW20101214
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11995443
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE6BD3CW20101214

A Roman-era farm site from Lowestoft:

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/roman_link_to_lowestoft_high_school_1_754632

Paul Cartledge and James Romm discuss Alexander the Great:

http://blogs.forbes.com/booked/2010/12/12/two-great-historians-on-alexander-the-great-part-one/
http://blogs.forbes.com/booked/2010/12/17/two-great-historians-on-alexander-the-great-part-two/
On the origins of the word 'comet':

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/17/132141801/science-diction-the-origin-of-the-word-comet

Reviewish/hypish sorts of things for Mary Beard's Pompeii documentary
thingy:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-life-death-sex-sewage-roman.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/8199687/Pompeii-Life-and-Death-in-a-Roman-Town.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/dec/14/pompeii-life-and-death
http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/world-europe-11957923
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11952322
http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/world-europe-11952322

What Stephen V. Tracy is up to:

http://www.theleafchronicle.com/article/20101215/NEWS01/12150314/1002/rss

Jeffrey Schwarz' work on infant sacrifice in Carthage is one of Archaeology
Magazine's
top ten stories of the year:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-12/uop-ppc121510.php
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_714150.html

Review of Sarah Ruden, *Paul Among the People*:

http://www.jsonline.com/entertainment/arts/112086879.html

Review of Caroline Alexander, *The War the Killed Achilles*:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/dec/18/war-killed-achilles-alexander-review

This week's Schiff reviews:

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Imagining+unknowable+epic+life/3999990/story.html

Some rather late repeat coverage of the most recent collapses at Pompeii:

http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=43054

More on that purported gladiator in the trash:

http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/gladiator-stabbed-tossed-as-trash.html

Latest reviews from Scholia:

http://www.classics.ukzn.ac.za/reviews/

Latest reviews from BMCR:

http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/recent.html

Visit our blog:

http://rogueclassicism.com/
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EUROPE AND THE UK (+ Ireland)
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Not sure whether we've had this 8000 years b.p. sun temple from Bulgaria
yet:

http://www.sofiaecho.com/2010/12/15/1011502_archaeology-8000-year-old-sun-temple-found-in-bulgaria

Bronze Age remains of some guy from Spain who broke his neck and apparently
lived:

http://www.dailyindia.com/show/414760.php
http://www.unreportedheritagenews.com/2010/12/lucky-duck-spanish-bronze-age-man.html

Humans help vultures colonize the Canary Islands:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-humans-vultures-colonize-canary-islands.html

Pondering 'Woodhenge':

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1337890/Woodhenge-Is-greatest-discoveries-archaeology--simple-farmers-fence.html

They've identified/confirmed that an embalmed head is that of Henri IV:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=43449
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/found-at-last-400yearold-head-of-henri-iv-2161644.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8201460/Mummified-head-is-skull-of-Henri-IV-say-historians.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11996981
http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-scientists-french-king.html
http://news.discovery.com/history/murdered-french-kings-remains-identified.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101214201532.htm
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/155777.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BE5TD20101217
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/26156906/detail.html

Reviewish sort of thing of *The Wollaton Medieval Manuscripts*:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-treasure-trove-medieval-manuscripts-published.html

Archaeology in Europe Blog:

http://archaeology-in-europe.blogspot.com/

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ASIA AND THE SOUTH PACIFIC
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A sort of overviewish thing of recent finds in China:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90782/90873/7235037.html

There are a pile of shipwrecks off the coast of China:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/90882/7228592.html

... and they've determined the location of a couple of imperial mausoleums
in Hebei:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/90882/7233612.html

A possible 14th century Chinese shipwreck off Indonesia:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-indonesian-fishermen-sunken-ship.html

Early settlers on New Zealand cleared forests much faster than previously
thought:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-early-settlers-rapidly-zealand-forests.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101213151417.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/12/14/3092679.htm

More on that 2400 years b.p. soup:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338401/Chinese-archaeologists-2k-year-old-bowl-soup-ancient-soldiers-tomb.html?ITO=1490
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8198196/Archaeologists-find-2400-year-old-bowl-of-soup-in-China.html
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/90882/7230112.html
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90782/7228709.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11981666
http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/ancient-chinese-soup-101213.html
http://english.cri.cn/6909/2010/12/12/2722s609755.htm (photos)
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2010/12/13/Ancient-soup-pot-unearthed-with-soup/UPI-15841292288062/
http://www.thirdage.com/news/2400-year-old-soup-scientists-testing-soup_12-15-20102,400-year-old
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/14/5651414-another-ancient-meal-found-in-china
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/47498/

East Asian Archaeology:

http://eastasiablog.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/east-asian-archaeology-cultural-heritage-%E2%80%93-2052010/

Southeast Asian Archaeology Newsblog:

http://www.southeastasianarchaeology.com/

New Zealand Archaeology eNews:

http://www.nzarchaeology.org/netsubnews.htm
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NORTH AMERICA
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First Nations finds bring a halt to some logging in British Columbia:

http://www.coastreporter.net/article/20101217/SECHELT0101/312179984/0/sechelt13/logging-halted-for-more-archeological-study

DNA tests for some bones found near Waco:

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/Ancient-bones-in-Bosque-County-draw-DNA-study.html

Archaeologist Mario Bergeron has died after a cave in at a dig in Old
Montreal:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2010/12/17/Archaeologist-dies-after-cave-in/UPI-46571292623135/
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Montreal+archaeologist+dies+following+accident/3993216/story.html

Still pondering, apparently, pardoning Billy the Kid:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BG0E220101217

Some funding for Ellis Island:

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/15/american-express-gives-100000-to-ellis-island-group

More on that Canadian birchbark canoe found in England:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario/oldest-known-canadian-birchbark-canoe-found-in-shed-in-england/article1836383/

Review of Virginia Scharff, *The Women Jefferson Loved*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/books/review/Wulf-t.html
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CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA
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They were crossbreeding 'wolf-dogs' at Teotihuacan:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-experts-ancient-mexicans-crossbred-wolf-dogs.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2010/12/ancient-mexicans-bred-wolf-dog-hybrids-anthropological-study-finds.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101216/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_wolf_dog
http://www.mycentraloregon.com/news/world/441536/Experts-Ancient-Mexicans-crossbred-wolfdogs.html
http://www.inah.gob.mx/index.php/boletines/8-investigaciones-y-estudios-historicos/4771-teotihuacanos-cruzaban-canidos-con-fines-rituales

A possible Inca citadel in Amazonas:

http://www.andina.com.pe/Ingles/Noticia.aspx?id=kATxf6M6QRE=

Possibly reading a lot into Maya temple acoustics:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/12/101216-maya-acoustics-speakers-audio-sound-archaeology-science/

... ditto a theory on semicircles as 'game boards':

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/12/101210-dice-gaming-gambling-native-american-indian-casinos-science/

The INAH has restored a couple of pyramids at Santo Nombre:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=43482

Reviewish thing of Rober Romero, *The Chinese in Mexico*:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-english-language-documents-history-chinese-mexico.html

Mike Ruggeri's Ancient Americas Breaking News:

http://web.mac.com/michaelruggeri

Ancient MesoAmerica News:

http://ancient-mesoamerica-news-updates.blogspot.com/
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OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST
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Latest daVinci 'code' has secrets hidden in the Mona Lisa's eyes:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/dec/12/mona-lisa-eyes-model-identity

National Geographic's top ten archaeological stories:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/12/photogalleries/101214-best-of-2010-science-archaeology/

Archaeology Magazine's top ten:

http://www.archaeology.org/1101/topten/

Some new-fashioned Pythagoras/Euclid bashing:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/12/17/old.babylonian.math/index.html

Only on the periphery of our purview, but evidence from ancient copper mines
is
suggesting new things about the earth's magnetic field:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/12/magnetic-copper-slag/

An interesting letter of Darwin (apparently a health and safety hazard) to
Richard Owen:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-years-darwin-letter-murky-naturalists.html

A woman among the Magi?:

http://www.stlbeacon.org/arts-life/books/106897-viviano-writes-about-a-woman-magi

Elaine Fantham on assorted ancient holiday traditions:

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/18/132162107/Boars-Heads-And-Even-More-Ancient-Holiday-Fun

Latest claim of finding bones belonging to Amelia Earhart:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/12/17/us/AP-US-Search-for-Amelia.html

How digital tools are changing scholarship in humanities:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/17/books/17words.html

Feature on Victorian toy theatres:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/17/arts/design/17antiques.html

Review of Judith Resnik and Dennis Curtis, *Representing Justice*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/books/16justice.html

Review of Jonathan Galassi (tr), *Canti*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/books/review/Campion-t.html

Review of *Autobiography of Mark Twain*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/books/review/Keillor-t.html

Review of Sarah Bakewell, *How to Live*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/18/books/18montaigne.html
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BLOGS
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About.com Archaeology:

http://archaeology.about.com/

Archaeology Briefs:

http://archaeologybriefs.blogspot.com/

Taygete Atlantis excavations blogs aggregator:

http://planet.atlantides.org/taygete/

Time Machine:

http://heatherpringle.wordpress.com/
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CRIME BEAT
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An 18th century bronze cannon was stolen from a gallery in Charleston:

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/dec/14/bronze-cannon-stolen/
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26127824/detail.html

Idols recovered and a bust in Chennai:

http://www.ptinews.com/news/1198788_Two-ancient-idols-seized--3-held-in-Chennai

A somewhat minor bust (it seems) in Sparta:

http://www.ana-mpa.gr/anaweb/user/showplain?maindoc=9408405&service=142

Vandals have hit some more petroglyphs ... this time at Agua Fria National
Monument:

http://www.azcentral.com/travel/articles/2010/12/17/20101217agua-fria-petroglyph-panels-vandalized.html

A previously-purloined folio of Shakespeare is going back on display:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wear-11989311

Some fake Faberge eggs were seized in Paris:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11994594

Another twist in that Ansel Adams negatives case:

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/17/another-legal-twist-in-ansel-adams-case

Looting Matters:

http://lootingmatters.blogspot.com/

Illicit Cultural Property:

http://illicit-cultural-property.blogspot.com/
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NUMISMATICA
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I think we mentioned this Lava Treasure thing a few months ago:

http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=16391

Latest eSylum newsletter:

http://www.coinbooks.org/club_nbs_esylum_v13n50.html

Ancient Coin Collecting:

http://ancientcoincollecting.blogspot.com/

Ancient Coins:

http://classicalcoins.blogspot.com/

Coin Link:

http://www.coinlink.com/News/
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EXHIBITIONS, AUCTIONS, AND MUSEUM-RELATED
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An online exhibit of Steinway's diaries:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/deceptivecadence/2010/12/18/132143378/diaries-in-the-key-of-steinway-a-piano-builders-view-of-19th-century-new-york

Cezanne's 'Card Players' is coming to the Met:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/arts/design/10vogel.html

An auction of a bust of Caracalla (maybe ... possibly not as old as it
appears) fetched
a higher price than expected:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/7341445.html

cf: the impact of the Unidroit convention on auction prices:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/18/arts/18iht-melik18.html

Looks like that Louvre 'fund raising' campaign to buy a Renaissance painting
worked:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/18/world/europe/18iht-louvre18.html

More on Yale returns to Peru:

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/15/132083890/yale-returns-machu-picchu-artifacts-to-peru
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PERFORMANCES AND THEATRE-RELATED
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Winds and Strings of Change:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/18/arts/music/18winds.html

Noel in the Museum (Anonymous 4):

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/arts/music/16anonymous.html

Thinking about Schumann as his bicentennial winds down:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/17/arts/music/17schumann.html
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OBITUARIES
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Ehud Netzer:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/ehud-netzer-israeli-archaeologist-best-known-for-excavating-king-herods-winter-palace-2161600.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/obituaries/2010/1211/1224285300750.html

Jacqueline de Romilly:

http://www.lemonde.fr/carnet/article/2010/12/19/jacqueline-de-romilly-helleniste-et-academicienne-est-morte_1455554_3382.html

Peter C. Marzio:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/arts/design/12marzio.html

Michael Samuels:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/dec/15/michael-samuels-obituary
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HUMOUR
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Ice Age:

http://www.creators.com/comics/43/70676_thumb.gif
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The Book and the Spade:

http://www.radioscribe.com/bknspade.htm

The Dig:

http://www.thedigradio.com/

Stone Pages Archaeology News:

http://news.stonepages.com/

Archaeologica Audio News:

http://www.archaeologychannel.org/AudioNews.asp

Naked Archaeology Podcast:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/archaeology/
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82567 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: congratulations and best wishes
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C. Mariae Caecae sal:


Thank you very much honored Sacerdos, much appreciated.


Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:45 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

>
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
>
> Now that the people have spoken, I offer my congratulations to all our new
> magistrates. It is my hope that the Res Publica will prosper during this
> coming year under their care, and my prayer to Vesta Mater that all our
> magistrates and citizens will remain in the light and warmth of her
> protection, for I entirely believe that in that light all citizens, no
> matter their political views or philosophies, can work constructively
> together to overcome our obstacles and continue to build Nova Roma in ways
> that will have both short and long term benefits.
>
> Valete quam optime!
> C. Maria Caeca, Sacerdos Vestae
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82568 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: A Proper Thank you
Statia Cornelia Valeriana Juliana Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.



Yes I do have to snatch the soapbox and speak for a few. I will try not to
be overwhelmingly flowery or boring, one of the two will most likely happen
though so my apologies beforehand.

This was a very nice surprise and a upswing to a rocky day, and I want to
give a proper thank you to the citizens of Nova Roma and to give a few thank
you's for those who have been in support of me in this election.

Thank you most graciously to the Citizens of Nova Roma who did vote for me,
I know in the race of Curule Aedile it was rather uncontested for there were
two slots and two people ran (myself and my future colleague) but I did not
see myself actually "winning" this election until the official results were
in so yes your votes did matter at least in my book it did. I will do
everything in my power to make sure that this year will be the year of the
Aediles no longer will this position be looked upon as something meager, we
are going to make it look fantastic with hard work, more hard work, and
definitely a level of fun.

A big thank you goes out to following people who have given support,
friendship, and sageous advice: C. Maria Caeca, Pompeia Minucia (who is one
of my Mentors, long time friend of many years who may no longer be on this
forum but she's here with me in spirit) and Enodiaria for their perpetual
support and friendship in anything that I decide to take on. Cn. Iulius
Caesar,Venator (Venii who is always rockstar) for their support and always
wise advice. And folks from the other spectrum such as Modianus and Lentulus
who also lended voices of support, they get their kudos as well.
Last but not all the least the good folks who make up the "Bone Crew" Gn.
Livia Ocella, The Valeriani (aka Mr & Mrs. Valerianus) Gens Cornelia, and
the rest (ya'll know who you are) for their support and true friendship.

There are many more thank you's but it would take a really long-time and
there's so many of you, but I think at this point you all understand the
gist of the post and that I am truly grateful and very humbled.

Gratias vobis ago.

Vale Optime,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia
Aedilis Curulis Elect


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82569 From: David Kling Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modainus Publio Ullerio Stephano Venatori salutem dicit

A moderate approach with the focus of building community rather than support
vendetta is what Nova Roma needs right now. Partisan politics has caused
more problems than good, and we need better Nova Roma! We need a period of
"peace" so we can grow, and then once we truly have it I don't think we will
ever want to give it up! We cannot listen to those people who would support
partisan politics and vendettas, but move forward to peace and moderation.

I support your approach and pray that you and your colleague have the
fortitude to make it happen.

Vale;

Modianus

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <
famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete Magistrates, Pontiffs et Populi Nova Romana;
>
> Cato and I have exchanged some ideas. I think his proposals are a
> good starting point for discussion between us over the next few weeks;
> I am disposed towards his view of things...
>
> I am of the opinion, that for the milieu of Nova Roma to improve,
> those of us who have been critical need to lead by example, not just
> in our ideas and actions, but in our manner of address, too. Not so
> much in the Back Alley, which I look upon as a neighborhood tavern
> where everyone is not only expected to let it all hang out, but to set
> aside the niceties at times, but most definitely on our Main List.
>
> I'd like for the ML to become the crossroads of Nova Roma, for Citizen
> and guest alike. A thriving community should be able to have
> conversations on any topic in its main forum, which is of interests to
> even just a pair of citizens or guests.
>
> But, Magistra Scholastica, is correct; the Main List is not in an
> age-restricted area of Yahoo
> Groups, as is the Back Alley (a wholly Roman, but not Nova Roman
> list). With just a little more effort, I know that folks who are very
> passionate about their views can express them with vigor, but without
> language best saved for an adults only venue.
>
> Life, folks, is not about continual tit for tat, not in a functional
> and functioning community...the incessant "who hit Jan" verbiage has
> to stop for us to go forward.
>
> I should like very much for us to close the Nova Roma Book, Volume One
> - the Early Years and get into Volume Two - The Growth and Building
> Years...
>
> You have all seen glimmers of my own ability to be, frankly, pointedly
> offensive. I do not like using that ability. I prefer to write like
> I actually speak, and address issues rather than get into endless
> sessions of epithet and nickname slinging.
>
> Some of the Nova Roma folks for whom I have the greatest depth of
> respect and interest in meeting face-to-face "reside" on both the Back
> Alley and this list.
>
> There are very few men and women I've ever met who are capable of
> being fully good or fully bad; met a few who were fully nonsensical,
> though. It seems to me to be nonsensical to continue to go after
> folks who have failed in putting forth their agenda; keep a careful
> watch to ward against recurrences of things, which have proven to not
> forward the goal of building Nova Roma, certainly, but obsess over
> shredding them completely...this does nothing but create a festering
> wound, which will abscess, burst and spill pus all over everything...
>
> Let us open this new volume in our history by taking both the ethical
> and mannerly high ground.
>
> Should malfeasance in office over the past year be pursued, yes.
> Should we seek "capital punishment" when a "scourging will do, no.
>
> I do think that former Cives should be invited to return, with
> conditions of moderation set by the Praetors dependent upon
> demonstrated past behavior.
>
> I also hope that all the magistrates can work collegially when possible.
>
> I hope that those who are former magistrates will keep a sharp eye on
> my proposals and those of my fellow magistrates. Call us on things
> when we are loony. Give us pointers when we are close to the right
> track. Let us know when the thoughts are sound.
>
> Please, keep the observations tightly confined to the ideas, let the
> age of personality comment draw to a close.
>
> Otherwise, I should dearly love to see wide ranging conversations on
> topics of interest from both worlds, Roma Antiqua et Roma Nova.
>
> --
> In amicitia et fide
> P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis et Poeta
> Consul Elect
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82570 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica P. Ullerio Venatori quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Salvete Magistrates, Pontiffs et Populi Nova Romana;
>
> Cato and I have exchanged some ideas. I think his proposals are a
> good starting point for discussion between us over the next few weeks;
> I am disposed towards his view of things...
>
> ATS: I hope you have some of your own, and will stick by them.
>
>
> I am of the opinion, that for the milieu of Nova Roma to improve,
> those of us who have been critical need to lead by example, not just
> in our ideas and actions, but in our manner of address, too. Not so
> much in the Back Alley, which I look upon as a neighborhood tavern
> where everyone is not only expected to let it all hang out, but to set
> aside the niceties at times, but most definitely on our Main List.
>
> I'd like for the ML to become the crossroads of Nova Roma, for Citizen
> and guest alike.
>
> ATS: However, there are no guests here any more. All peregrini (guests)
> and socii (former citizens) as well as probationary citizens were removed from
> this list, and so were some quiet citizens who were not invited to return. A
> membership of over 1400 was reduced by some 800 or more, and those removed
> have not all gravitated to the Forum Hospitum. Indeed, very few have.
>
>
> A thriving community should be able to have
> conversations on any topic in its main forum, which is of interests to
> even just a pair of citizens or guests.
>
> But, Magistra Scholastica, is correct; the Main List is not in an
> age-restricted area of Yahoo
> Groups, as is the Back Alley (a wholly Roman, but not Nova Roman
> list). With just a little more effort, I know that folks who are very
> passionate about their views can express them with vigor, but without
> language best saved for an adults only venue.
>
> ATS: I am glad that you recognize that such language is not appropriate
> here, nor is some of the behavior deemed acceptable on other lists. There is
> no excuse for using the f-word in reference to anything at all, let alone
> planets. Even though this list is now restricted to citizens, it happens that
> not all are even legally adult, nor are those who are technically legally
> adult actually biologically, intellectually, or emotionally adult. Eighteen
> does not bring adulthood. That arrives later, and not before the early to
> mid-twenties.
>
> Intelligent, educated people should be able to discuss any number of
> topics without descending to the drunken sailor vocabulary, or to ad hominem
> attacks. I do think that some topics should be off limits, or at the very
> least quite limited, partly because we do have minors even among the citizens.
>
> Life, folks, is not about continual tit for tat, not in a functional
> and functioning community...the incessant "who hit Jan" verbiage has
> to stop for us to go forward.
>
> ATS: The near-constant battles here are detrimental to NR and to all of
> us, especially those targeted for these attacks. I agree that they must stop.
>
> I should like very much for us to close the Nova Roma Book, Volume One
> - the Early Years and get into Volume Two - The Growth and Building
> Years...
>
> You have all seen glimmers of my own ability to be, frankly, pointedly
> offensive. I do not like using that ability. I prefer to write like
> I actually speak, and address issues rather than get into endless
> sessions of epithet and nickname slinging.
>
> Some of the Nova Roma folks for whom I have the greatest depth of
> respect and interest in meeting face-to-face "reside" on both the Back
> Alley and this list.
>
> There are very few men and women I've ever met who are capable of
> being fully good or fully bad; met a few who were fully nonsensical,
> though. It seems to me to be nonsensical to continue to go after
> folks who have failed in putting forth their agenda; keep a careful
> watch to ward against recurrences of things, which have proven to not
> forward the goal of building Nova Roma, certainly, but obsess over
> shredding them completely...this does nothing but create a festering
> wound, which will abscess, burst and spill pus all over everything...
>
> Let us open this new volume in our history by taking both the ethical
> and mannerly high ground.
>
> Should malfeasance in office over the past year be pursued, yes.
> Should we seek "capital punishment" when a "scourging will do, no.
>
> ATS: And maybe the scourging is excessive, too.
>
> I do think that former Cives should be invited to return, with
> conditions of moderation set by the Praetors dependent upon
> demonstrated past behavior.
>
> I also hope that all the magistrates can work collegially when possible.
>
> I hope that those who are former magistrates will keep a sharp eye on
> my proposals and those of my fellow magistrates. Call us on things
> when we are loony. Give us pointers when we are close to the right
> track. Let us know when the thoughts are sound.
>
> ATS: That would be nice. Too often the rest of us are shot down, and /
> or our motives questioned (as in curia).
>
> Please, keep the observations tightly confined to the ideas, let the
> age of personality comment draw to a close.
>
> Otherwise, I should dearly love to see wide ranging conversations on
> topics of interest from both worlds, Roma Antiqua et Roma Nova.
>
> ATS: That, too, would be nice.
>
> --
> In amicitia et fide
> P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis et Poeta
> Consul Elect
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82571 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Praetorial Notice: Using salutations - in Latin - on this list.
Salvete omnes

This is a reminder that all messages posted on this list are required to have proper openings and closings (salutations), and that these must be in Latin.

A proper salutation at the beginning, and farewell at the end of each message, helps other readers understand who is addressing whom, and avoids the confusion often seen on other lists, especially when posts are arriving at speed.

This Main List is the place for the exchange of views on Roman matters, and the fact that messages are posted in proper latin style greatly improves its appearance. The amount of latin you choose to use is entirely up to you, so long as you use the basics.

Doing this emphasises the fact that this is the main message centre for Nova Roma. It helps to remind us that we are addressing our fellow Roman citizens and supporters of the Roman way, and so helps to put us in the correct frame of mind when composing our message.

Newer members should copy the good examples being set here, and take a look at the official Nova Roma guide. This can be found at:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Latin_for_e-mail

Please remember to use proper Roman names and titles, *not macronational names or nicknames*. Just write the way Romans would write.

So, remember *not to use the praenomen* unless both contributors are close friends: the praenomen is just for the private sphere. Normally you will use the nomen or the cognomen.
If writing to an officer of the state, may prefer to use the relevant title (ex. "Praetor" "Pontifex" or "Senator" etc.) as your greeting.

Advice and assistance will be provided to those who have difficulties understanding and complying with this requirement.
Please see the official guide for more help. Our Latinists and elder citizens are here to provide help for those who ask.

Finally, a word of thanks from the Praetors to all those who have remembered these rules during the year, without the need for constant reminders.

Valete omnes,

C Marcius Crispus
Praetorial Team
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82572 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: a.d. XIII Kal. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

IO SATURNALIA!

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XIII Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"Thus we see that the most famous of the earlier supremacies of which
history has given us any account, after attaining to so great vigour
and might, were overthrown. As for the Greek powers, it is not fitting
to compare them to those just mentioned, since they gained neither
magnitude of empire nor duration of eminence equal to theirs. For the
Athenians ruled only the sea coast, during the space of sixty-eight
years, nor did their sway extend even over all that, but only to the
part between the Euxine and the Pamphylian seas, when their naval
supremacy was at its height. The Lacedaemonians, when masters of the
Peloponnesus and the rest of Greece, advanced their rule as far as
Macedonia, but were checked by the Thebans before they had held it
quite thirty years. But Rome rules every country that is not
inaccessible or uninhabited, and she is mistress of every sea, not
only of that which lies inside the Pillars of Hercules but also of the
Ocean, except that part of it which is not navigable; she is the first
and the only State recorded in all time that ever made the risings and
the settings of the sun the boundaries of her dominion. Nor has her
supremacy been of short duration, but more lasting than that of any
other commonwealth or kingdom. For from the very beginning,
immediately after her founding, she began to draw to herself the
neighbouring nations, which were both numerous and warlike, and
continually advanced, subjugating every rival. And it is now seven
hundred and forty-five years from her foundation down to the
consulship of Claudius Nero, consul for the second time, and of
Calpurnius Piso, who were chosen in the one hundred and ninety-third
Olympiad. From the time that she mastered the whole of Italy she was
emboldened to aspire to govern all mankind, and after driving from off
the sea the Carthaginians, whose maritime strength was superior to
that of all others, and subduing Macedonia, which until then was
reputed to be the most powerful nation on land, she no longer had as
rival any nation either barbarian or Greek; and it is now in my day
already the seventh generation that she has continued to hold sway
over every region of the world, and there is no nation, as I may saw,
that disputes her universal dominion or protests against being ruled
by her. However, to prove my statement that I have neither made
choice of the most trivial of subjects nor proposed to treat of mean
and insignificant deeds, but am undertaking to write not only about
the most illustrious city but also about brilliant achievements to
whose like no man could point, I know not what more I need say." -
Dionysis of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities", 1.3


"At the end of May Cicero began to return towards Rome, in order to
arrive there in time for the meeting of the senate on the first of
June; but many of his friends dissuaded him from entering the city,
and at last he determined not to appear in the senate on that day, but
to make a tour in Greece; to assist him in which, Dolabella named him
one of his lieutenants. Antonius also gave Brutus and Cassius
commissions to buy corn in Asia and Sicily for the use of the
republic, in order to keep them out of the city. Meantime Sextus
Pompeius, who was at the head of a considerable army in Spain,
addressed letters to the consuls proposing terms of accommodation,
which after some debate, and some important modifications, were agreed
to, and he quitted Spain, and came as far as Marseilles on his road
towards Rome.

Cicero having started for Greece was forced to put back by contrary
winds, and returned to Velia on the seventeenth of August, where he
had a long conference with Brutus, who soon after left Italy for his
province of Macedonia, which Caesar had assigned him before his death,
though Antonius now wished to compel him to exchange it for Crete.
After this conference Cicero returned to Rome, where he was received
with unexampled joy, immense multitudes thronging out to meet him, and
to escort him into the city. He arrived in Rome on the last day of
August. The next day the senate met, to which he was particularly
summoned by Antonius, but he excused himself as not having recovered
from the fatigue of his journey. Antonius was greatly offended, and
in his speech in the senate threatened openly to order his house to be
pulled down; the real reason of Cicero's absenting himself from the
senate being, that the business of the day was to decree some new and
extraordinary honours to Caesar, and to order supplications to him as
a divinity, which Cicero was determined not to concur in, though he
knew it would he useless to oppose them.

The next day also the senate met, and Antonius absented himself; but
Cicero came down and delivered the following speech, which is the
first of that celebrated series of fourteen speeches made in
opposition to Antonius and his measures, and called Philippics from
the orations of Demosthenes against Philip, to which the Romans were
in the habit of comparing them." - M. Tullius Cicero, "Orations: The
fourteen orations against Marcus Antonius (Philippics)", Preface ("The
Argument")

"We have been assembled at length, O conscript fathers, altogether
later than the necessities of the republic required, but still we are
assembled, a measure which I indeed have been every day demanding,
inasmuch as I saw that a nefarious war against our altars and our
hearths, against our lives and our fortunes, wars, I will not say
being prepared but being actually waged by a profligate and desperate
man. People are waiting for the first of January. But Antonius is not
waiting for that day, who is now attempting with an army to invade the
province of Decimus Brutus a most illustrious and excellent man. And
when he has procured reinforcements and equipments there, he threatens
that he will come to this city. What is the use then of waiting, or
of even a delay for the very shortest time? For although the first of
January is at hand, still a short time is a long one for people who
are not prepared. For a day, or I should rather say an hour, often
brings great disasters, if no precautions are taken. And it is not
usual to wait for a fixed day for holding a council, as it is for
celebrating a festival. But if the first of January had fallen on the
day when Antonius first fled from the city, or if people had not
waited for it, we should by this time have no war at all, For we
should easily have crushed the audacity of that frantic man by the
authority of the senate and the unanimity of the Roman people. And
now, indeed, I feel confident that the consuls elect will do so, as
soon as they enter on their magistracy. For they are men of the
highest courage, of the most consummate wisdom, and they will act in
perfect harmony with each other. But my exhortations to rapid and
instant action are prompted by a desire not merely for victory, but
for speedy victory." - M. Tullius Cicero, from "Orations: the fourteen
orations against Mark Antony [Philippics]" 3.1-2

On this day in 44 B.C., Cicero gave the third of his famous orations
(known as the "Philippics") against Mark Antony and in support of a
return to the Republican traditions of government.


Today is the fourth day of the Saturnalia.

IO SATURNALIA!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82573 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: The Collegium Pontificum is called into session.
SALVETE!

The Collegium Pontificum is called into session starting with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.IX Kal Ian 2763 a.U.c (Friday 24 December 2010) until 17.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d IV Kal Ian 2763 a.U.c (Wednesday 29 December 2010).

The session schedule.

Contio:

Starting with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.IX Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c (Friday 24 December 2010) until 17.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d VI Kal Ian 2763 a.U.c (Monday 27 December 2010).

Vote:
Start immediately after contio and conclude at 17.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d IV Kal Ian 2763 a.U.c (Wednesday, 29 December 2763).

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS

A. Current items:

1.Pending favorable auspices the CP will analyze and if concluded, decide as Rex and Regina Sacrorum, Flamines and Flaminicae to not be legal married couples.
2.The CP will analyze and if concluded, appoint C. Maria Caeca as Virgo Vestalis Maxima.
3.The CP will analyze and if concluded, approve the development of a system based of knowledge tests for admission to the Nova Roma priesthood.
4.The CP will analyze and if concluded appoint the following new Comitia Curiata members: C. Marcius Crispus, C. Aemilius Crassus, Gn. Iulius Caesar, A. Tullia Scholastica, C. Popilius Laenas and C. Cocceius Spinula.

B.The Collegium Pontificum members can add new items during the contio but not later than 17.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d VII Kal Ian 2763 a.U.c (Friday 26 December 2010)- (24 hrs before the vote starts).

C. Participation in session:

1. The following Collegium Pontificum members participate to contio:
- Pontifex M. Antonius Gryllus Graecus – didn't join to the CP list.
- Pontifex Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus.
- Pontifex Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.
- Pontifex K. Fabius Buteo Modianus.
- Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus.
- Pontifex L. Iulia Aquila.
- Pontifex T. Iulius Sabinus.
- Pontifex M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus – didn't join to the CP list.
- Pontifex C. Petronius Dexter
- Flamen K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus.
- Flamen M'. Titinius Silvanus – up to his decision.

2. The following Collegium Pontificum members participate to vote:
- Pontifex M. Antonius Gryllus Graecus – didn't join to the CP list.
- Pontifex Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.
- Pontifex K. Fabius Buteo Modianus.
- Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus.
- Pontifex L. Iulia Aquila.
- Pontifex T. Iulius Sabinus.
- Pontifex M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus – didn't join to the CP list.
- Pontifex C. Petronius Dexter.
- Flamen K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus.

3. The following Collegium Pontificum member does not participate to vote:
- Flamen M'. Titinius Silvanus – based of his request to be considered a non voting member.

D. The Collegium Pontificum session can be observed by the entire Nova Roman community at this address:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/

VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus
Pontifex Maximus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82574 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Aeternia P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori sal:



I have as always found your words wise Venii, but I will re-iterate the same
point I brought up on the Back Alley when this was mentioned.

If a form of amnesty/pardon is to be issued set up a special committee to be
purviewed and each individual is treated with a case by case scenario, their
former actions evaluated so it can be determined whether or not the former
citizen in question is helpful or harmful to Nova Roma on a long term
scale. Upon that being it is within the laws of Nova Roma and not impending
the jurisdiction of the Praetura to issue such things in the first place.

Pretty much same point I raised on the BA just a lot more fancy wording ;-)


Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <
famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete Magistrates, Pontiffs et Populi Nova Romana;
>
> Cato and I have exchanged some ideas. I think his proposals are a
> good starting point for discussion between us over the next few weeks;
> I am disposed towards his view of things...
>
> I am of the opinion, that for the milieu of Nova Roma to improve,
> those of us who have been critical need to lead by example, not just
> in our ideas and actions, but in our manner of address, too. Not so
> much in the Back Alley, which I look upon as a neighborhood tavern
> where everyone is not only expected to let it all hang out, but to set
> aside the niceties at times, but most definitely on our Main List.
>
> I'd like for the ML to become the crossroads of Nova Roma, for Citizen
> and guest alike. A thriving community should be able to have
> conversations on any topic in its main forum, which is of interests to
> even just a pair of citizens or guests.
>
> But, Magistra Scholastica, is correct; the Main List is not in an
> age-restricted area of Yahoo
> Groups, as is the Back Alley (a wholly Roman, but not Nova Roman
> list). With just a little more effort, I know that folks who are very
> passionate about their views can express them with vigor, but without
> language best saved for an adults only venue.
>
> Life, folks, is not about continual tit for tat, not in a functional
> and functioning community...the incessant "who hit Jan" verbiage has
> to stop for us to go forward.
>
> I should like very much for us to close the Nova Roma Book, Volume One
> - the Early Years and get into Volume Two - The Growth and Building
> Years...
>
> You have all seen glimmers of my own ability to be, frankly, pointedly
> offensive. I do not like using that ability. I prefer to write like
> I actually speak, and address issues rather than get into endless
> sessions of epithet and nickname slinging.
>
> Some of the Nova Roma folks for whom I have the greatest depth of
> respect and interest in meeting face-to-face "reside" on both the Back
> Alley and this list.
>
> There are very few men and women I've ever met who are capable of
> being fully good or fully bad; met a few who were fully nonsensical,
> though. It seems to me to be nonsensical to continue to go after
> folks who have failed in putting forth their agenda; keep a careful
> watch to ward against recurrences of things, which have proven to not
> forward the goal of building Nova Roma, certainly, but obsess over
> shredding them completely...this does nothing but create a festering
> wound, which will abscess, burst and spill pus all over everything...
>
> Let us open this new volume in our history by taking both the ethical
> and mannerly high ground.
>
> Should malfeasance in office over the past year be pursued, yes.
> Should we seek "capital punishment" when a "scourging will do, no.
>
> I do think that former Cives should be invited to return, with
> conditions of moderation set by the Praetors dependent upon
> demonstrated past behavior.
>
> I also hope that all the magistrates can work collegially when possible.
>
> I hope that those who are former magistrates will keep a sharp eye on
> my proposals and those of my fellow magistrates. Call us on things
> when we are loony. Give us pointers when we are close to the right
> track. Let us know when the thoughts are sound.
>
> Please, keep the observations tightly confined to the ideas, let the
> age of personality comment draw to a close.
>
> Otherwise, I should dearly love to see wide ranging conversations on
> topics of interest from both worlds, Roma Antiqua et Roma Nova.
>
> --
> In amicitia et fide
> P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis et Poeta
> Consul Elect
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82575 From: David Kling Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit

We should call this special committee "The office of the Inquisition," with
the chair of said committee being the Grand Inquisitor of Nova Roma, a
highly coveted office. Sounds like a grand idea right?

Or perhaps we could simply evaluate how things have been progressing in Nova
Roma over the past eight to ten years. A lot of bad behaviors have occurred
over and over again. Time to do something different. Inquisitions have
only hurt Nova Roma, and created polarization and enmity were there should
be community and cooperation.

Vale;

Modianus

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...
> wrote:

> Aeternia P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori sal:
>
>
>
> I have as always found your words wise Venii, but I will re-iterate the
> same
> point I brought up on the Back Alley when this was mentioned.
>
> If a form of amnesty/pardon is to be issued set up a special committee to
> be
> purviewed and each individual is treated with a case by case scenario,
> their
> former actions evaluated so it can be determined whether or not the former
> citizen in question is helpful or harmful to Nova Roma on a long term
> scale. Upon that being it is within the laws of Nova Roma and not
> impending
> the jurisdiction of the Praetura to issue such things in the first place.
>
> Pretty much same point I raised on the BA just a lot more fancy wording ;-)
>
>
> Vale Optime,
> Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82576 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano s.d.


Either you are misinterpreting my post by accident or you are either doing
it on purpose not sure which way yet. Anyway my suggestion was to be a
peaceful solution. There is no need to have the "witch hunts" that went on
in the past BUT there should be a way to allow NR to prosper without having
those who were beyond negative, corrupted the law, and wanted to use their
seats of power for their own negative purposes, to be allowed to such things
again.

So it's okay for Anna to attack citizens on the ML for the sake of whimsy?

It's absolutely fine for Maior to moderate citizens on unlawful charges
simply because she doesn't like them?

Fabius Quintilianus is perfectly acceptable to install a Dictator simply
because Piscinus wished it to be so?

These things are okay to do then is that what you are saying? That
corruption should be okay to continue or we should we try to create a check
and balance system so at least people know things like that what won't be
tolerated and maybe they should be careful and respect the laws of Nova
Roma?

I know you have spoken many times Modianus about establishing peace here in
our community, but it seems that you're okay with allowing the chaos to come
right back in.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:00 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
>
> We should call this special committee "The office of the Inquisition," with
> the chair of said committee being the Grand Inquisitor of Nova Roma, a
> highly coveted office. Sounds like a grand idea right?
>
> Or perhaps we could simply evaluate how things have been progressing in
> Nova
> Roma over the past eight to ten years. A lot of bad behaviors have occurred
> over and over again. Time to do something different. Inquisitions have
> only hurt Nova Roma, and created polarization and enmity were there should
> be community and cooperation.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
> syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > Aeternia P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori sal:
> >
> >
> >
> > I have as always found your words wise Venii, but I will re-iterate the
> > same
> > point I brought up on the Back Alley when this was mentioned.
> >
> > If a form of amnesty/pardon is to be issued set up a special committee to
> > be
> > purviewed and each individual is treated with a case by case scenario,
> > their
> > former actions evaluated so it can be determined whether or not the
> former
> > citizen in question is helpful or harmful to Nova Roma on a long term
> > scale. Upon that being it is within the laws of Nova Roma and not
> > impending
> > the jurisdiction of the Praetura to issue such things in the first place.
> >
> > Pretty much same point I raised on the BA just a lot more fancy wording
> ;-)
> >
> >
> > Vale Optime,
> > Aeternia
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82577 From: Robert Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Ave,

The issue isn't bad behavior! It's about illegal actions. There is a difference!

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 20, 2010, at 7:00 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
>
> We should call this special committee "The office of the Inquisition," with
> the chair of said committee being the Grand Inquisitor of Nova Roma, a
> highly coveted office. Sounds like a grand idea right?
>
> Or perhaps we could simply evaluate how things have been progressing in Nova
> Roma over the past eight to ten years. A lot of bad behaviors have occurred
> over and over again. Time to do something different. Inquisitions have
> only hurt Nova Roma, and created polarization and enmity were there should
> be community and cooperation.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...
> > wrote:
>
> > Aeternia P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori sal:
> >
> >
> >
> > I have as always found your words wise Venii, but I will re-iterate the
> > same
> > point I brought up on the Back Alley when this was mentioned.
> >
> > If a form of amnesty/pardon is to be issued set up a special committee to
> > be
> > purviewed and each individual is treated with a case by case scenario,
> > their
> > former actions evaluated so it can be determined whether or not the former
> > citizen in question is helpful or harmful to Nova Roma on a long term
> > scale. Upon that being it is within the laws of Nova Roma and not
> > impending
> > the jurisdiction of the Praetura to issue such things in the first place.
> >
> > Pretty much same point I raised on the BA just a lot more fancy wording ;-)
> >
> >
> > Vale Optime,
> > Aeternia
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82578 From: Robert Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Ave,

There is a difference between trying to overthrow the government and the bad behavior of a petulant child!

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:

> Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano s.d.
>
>
> Either you are misinterpreting my post by accident or you are either doing
> it on purpose not sure which way yet. Anyway my suggestion was to be a
> peaceful solution. There is no need to have the "witch hunts" that went on
> in the past BUT there should be a way to allow NR to prosper without having
> those who were beyond negative, corrupted the law, and wanted to use their
> seats of power for their own negative purposes, to be allowed to such things
> again.
>
> So it's okay for Anna to attack citizens on the ML for the sake of whimsy?
>
> It's absolutely fine for Maior to moderate citizens on unlawful charges
> simply because she doesn't like them?
>
> Fabius Quintilianus is perfectly acceptable to install a Dictator simply
> because Piscinus wished it to be so?
>
> These things are okay to do then is that what you are saying? That
> corruption should be okay to continue or we should we try to create a check
> and balance system so at least people know things like that what won't be
> tolerated and maybe they should be careful and respect the laws of Nova
> Roma?
>
> I know you have spoken many times Modianus about establishing peace here in
> our community, but it seems that you're okay with allowing the chaos to come
> right back in.
>
> Vale Optime,
> Aeternia
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:00 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
>>
>> We should call this special committee "The office of the Inquisition," with
>> the chair of said committee being the Grand Inquisitor of Nova Roma, a
>> highly coveted office. Sounds like a grand idea right?
>>
>> Or perhaps we could simply evaluate how things have been progressing in
>> Nova
>> Roma over the past eight to ten years. A lot of bad behaviors have occurred
>> over and over again. Time to do something different. Inquisitions have
>> only hurt Nova Roma, and created polarization and enmity were there should
>> be community and cooperation.
>>
>> Vale;
>>
>> Modianus
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
>> syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Aeternia P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori sal:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have as always found your words wise Venii, but I will re-iterate the
>>> same
>>> point I brought up on the Back Alley when this was mentioned.
>>>
>>> If a form of amnesty/pardon is to be issued set up a special committee to
>>> be
>>> purviewed and each individual is treated with a case by case scenario,
>>> their
>>> former actions evaluated so it can be determined whether or not the
>> former
>>> citizen in question is helpful or harmful to Nova Roma on a long term
>>> scale. Upon that being it is within the laws of Nova Roma and not
>>> impending
>>> the jurisdiction of the Praetura to issue such things in the first place.
>>>
>>> Pretty much same point I raised on the BA just a lot more fancy wording
>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Vale Optime,
>>> Aeternia
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82579 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Salve Sulla,


Sometimes your statements come so far from left field even I have to scratch
my head in pure puzzlement.

Vale,
Aeternia

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

>
>
> Ave,
>
> There is a difference between trying to overthrow the government and the
> bad behavior of a petulant child!
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...<syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano s.d.
> >
> >
> > Either you are misinterpreting my post by accident or you are either
> doing
> > it on purpose not sure which way yet. Anyway my suggestion was to be a
> > peaceful solution. There is no need to have the "witch hunts" that went
> on
> > in the past BUT there should be a way to allow NR to prosper without
> having
> > those who were beyond negative, corrupted the law, and wanted to use
> their
> > seats of power for their own negative purposes, to be allowed to such
> things
> > again.
> >
> > So it's okay for Anna to attack citizens on the ML for the sake of
> whimsy?
> >
> > It's absolutely fine for Maior to moderate citizens on unlawful charges
> > simply because she doesn't like them?
> >
> > Fabius Quintilianus is perfectly acceptable to install a Dictator simply
> > because Piscinus wished it to be so?
> >
> > These things are okay to do then is that what you are saying? That
> > corruption should be okay to continue or we should we try to create a
> check
> > and balance system so at least people know things like that what won't be
> > tolerated and maybe they should be careful and respect the laws of Nova
> > Roma?
> >
> > I know you have spoken many times Modianus about establishing peace here
> in
> > our community, but it seems that you're okay with allowing the chaos to
> come
> > right back in.
> >
> > Vale Optime,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:00 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
> >>
> >> We should call this special committee "The office of the Inquisition,"
> with
> >> the chair of said committee being the Grand Inquisitor of Nova Roma, a
> >> highly coveted office. Sounds like a grand idea right?
> >>
> >> Or perhaps we could simply evaluate how things have been progressing in
> >> Nova
> >> Roma over the past eight to ten years. A lot of bad behaviors have
> occurred
> >> over and over again. Time to do something different. Inquisitions have
> >> only hurt Nova Roma, and created polarization and enmity were there
> should
> >> be community and cooperation.
> >>
> >> Vale;
> >>
> >> Modianus
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
> >> syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com> <syrenslullaby%
> 40gmail.com>
>
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Aeternia P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori sal:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have as always found your words wise Venii, but I will re-iterate the
> >>> same
> >>> point I brought up on the Back Alley when this was mentioned.
> >>>
> >>> If a form of amnesty/pardon is to be issued set up a special committee
> to
> >>> be
> >>> purviewed and each individual is treated with a case by case scenario,
> >>> their
> >>> former actions evaluated so it can be determined whether or not the
> >> former
> >>> citizen in question is helpful or harmful to Nova Roma on a long term
> >>> scale. Upon that being it is within the laws of Nova Roma and not
> >>> impending
> >>> the jurisdiction of the Praetura to issue such things in the first
> place.
> >>>
> >>> Pretty much same point I raised on the BA just a lot more fancy wording
> >> ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Vale Optime,
> >>> Aeternia
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82580 From: Robert Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Ave,

It's not from left field, modianus is trying to convince that amnesty is preferred because nothing serious happened last year! Just bad behavior and hey, everyone and every faction in nr is guilty of bad behavior! And that is a strawman argument. That would be tantamount to say hey everyone speeds or jay walks thusly all murders should go free! Because everyone is guilty of something! That isn't going to wash!

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:

> Salve Sulla,
>
>
> Sometimes your statements come so far from left field even I have to scratch
> my head in pure puzzlement.
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ave,
>>
>> There is a difference between trying to overthrow the government and the
>> bad behavior of a petulant child!
>>
>> Vale
>>
>> Sulla
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...<syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano s.d.
>>>
>>>
>>> Either you are misinterpreting my post by accident or you are either
>> doing
>>> it on purpose not sure which way yet. Anyway my suggestion was to be a
>>> peaceful solution. There is no need to have the "witch hunts" that went
>> on
>>> in the past BUT there should be a way to allow NR to prosper without
>> having
>>> those who were beyond negative, corrupted the law, and wanted to use
>> their
>>> seats of power for their own negative purposes, to be allowed to such
>> things
>>> again.
>>>
>>> So it's okay for Anna to attack citizens on the ML for the sake of
>> whimsy?
>>>
>>> It's absolutely fine for Maior to moderate citizens on unlawful charges
>>> simply because she doesn't like them?
>>>
>>> Fabius Quintilianus is perfectly acceptable to install a Dictator simply
>>> because Piscinus wished it to be so?
>>>
>>> These things are okay to do then is that what you are saying? That
>>> corruption should be okay to continue or we should we try to create a
>> check
>>> and balance system so at least people know things like that what won't be
>>> tolerated and maybe they should be careful and respect the laws of Nova
>>> Roma?
>>>
>>> I know you have spoken many times Modianus about establishing peace here
>> in
>>> our community, but it seems that you're okay with allowing the chaos to
>> come
>>> right back in.
>>>
>>> Vale Optime,
>>> Aeternia
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:00 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
>>>>
>>>> We should call this special committee "The office of the Inquisition,"
>> with
>>>> the chair of said committee being the Grand Inquisitor of Nova Roma, a
>>>> highly coveted office. Sounds like a grand idea right?
>>>>
>>>> Or perhaps we could simply evaluate how things have been progressing in
>>>> Nova
>>>> Roma over the past eight to ten years. A lot of bad behaviors have
>> occurred
>>>> over and over again. Time to do something different. Inquisitions have
>>>> only hurt Nova Roma, and created polarization and enmity were there
>> should
>>>> be community and cooperation.
>>>>
>>>> Vale;
>>>>
>>>> Modianus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
>>>> syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com> <syrenslullaby%
>> 40gmail.com>
>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Aeternia P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori sal:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have as always found your words wise Venii, but I will re-iterate the
>>>>> same
>>>>> point I brought up on the Back Alley when this was mentioned.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a form of amnesty/pardon is to be issued set up a special committee
>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>> purviewed and each individual is treated with a case by case scenario,
>>>>> their
>>>>> former actions evaluated so it can be determined whether or not the
>>>> former
>>>>> citizen in question is helpful or harmful to Nova Roma on a long term
>>>>> scale. Upon that being it is within the laws of Nova Roma and not
>>>>> impending
>>>>> the jurisdiction of the Praetura to issue such things in the first
>> place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty much same point I raised on the BA just a lot more fancy wording
>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Vale Optime,
>>>>> Aeternia
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82581 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Salve,

You could've just said that response below Sulla, it made more sense (oddly
enough) than your one line comment from out of nowhere.

Now I'm responding with one-liners, dandy. Lets try for once to keep this
constructive and on-topic and not our usual bad habits of pointless banter.


Vale,
Aeternia

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

>
>
> Ave,
>
> It's not from left field, modianus is trying to convince that amnesty is
> preferred because nothing serious happened last year! Just bad behavior and
> hey, everyone and every faction in nr is guilty of bad behavior! And that is
> a strawman argument. That would be tantamount to say hey everyone speeds or
> jay walks thusly all murders should go free! Because everyone is guilty of
> something! That isn't going to wash!
>
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...<syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Salve Sulla,
> >
> >
> > Sometimes your statements come so far from left field even I have to
> scratch
> > my head in pure puzzlement.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Ave,
> >>
> >> There is a difference between trying to overthrow the government and the
> >> bad behavior of a petulant child!
> >>
> >> Vale
> >>
> >> Sulla
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
> syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com><syrenslullaby%
> 40gmail.com>>
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano s.d.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Either you are misinterpreting my post by accident or you are either
> >> doing
> >>> it on purpose not sure which way yet. Anyway my suggestion was to be a
> >>> peaceful solution. There is no need to have the "witch hunts" that went
> >> on
> >>> in the past BUT there should be a way to allow NR to prosper without
> >> having
> >>> those who were beyond negative, corrupted the law, and wanted to use
> >> their
> >>> seats of power for their own negative purposes, to be allowed to such
> >> things
> >>> again.
> >>>
> >>> So it's okay for Anna to attack citizens on the ML for the sake of
> >> whimsy?
> >>>
> >>> It's absolutely fine for Maior to moderate citizens on unlawful charges
> >>> simply because she doesn't like them?
> >>>
> >>> Fabius Quintilianus is perfectly acceptable to install a Dictator
> simply
> >>> because Piscinus wished it to be so?
> >>>
> >>> These things are okay to do then is that what you are saying? That
> >>> corruption should be okay to continue or we should we try to create a
> >> check
> >>> and balance system so at least people know things like that what won't
> be
> >>> tolerated and maybe they should be careful and respect the laws of Nova
> >>> Roma?
> >>>
> >>> I know you have spoken many times Modianus about establishing peace
> here
> >> in
> >>> our community, but it seems that you're okay with allowing the chaos to
> >> come
> >>> right back in.
> >>>
> >>> Vale Optime,
> >>> Aeternia
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:00 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
> <tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
> >>>>
> >>>> We should call this special committee "The office of the Inquisition,"
> >> with
> >>>> the chair of said committee being the Grand Inquisitor of Nova Roma, a
> >>>> highly coveted office. Sounds like a grand idea right?
> >>>>
> >>>> Or perhaps we could simply evaluate how things have been progressing
> in
> >>>> Nova
> >>>> Roma over the past eight to ten years. A lot of bad behaviors have
> >> occurred
> >>>> over and over again. Time to do something different. Inquisitions have
> >>>> only hurt Nova Roma, and created polarization and enmity were there
> >> should
> >>>> be community and cooperation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Vale;
> >>>>
> >>>> Modianus
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
> >>>> syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com> <syrenslullaby%
> 40gmail.com> <syrenslullaby%
>
> >> 40gmail.com>
> >>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Aeternia P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori sal:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have as always found your words wise Venii, but I will re-iterate
> the
> >>>>> same
> >>>>> point I brought up on the Back Alley when this was mentioned.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If a form of amnesty/pardon is to be issued set up a special
> committee
> >> to
> >>>>> be
> >>>>> purviewed and each individual is treated with a case by case
> scenario,
> >>>>> their
> >>>>> former actions evaluated so it can be determined whether or not the
> >>>> former
> >>>>> citizen in question is helpful or harmful to Nova Roma on a long term
> >>>>> scale. Upon that being it is within the laws of Nova Roma and not
> >>>>> impending
> >>>>> the jurisdiction of the Praetura to issue such things in the first
> >> place.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pretty much same point I raised on the BA just a lot more fancy
> wording
> >>>> ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vale Optime,
> >>>>> Aeternia
> >>>>
> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82582 From: Robert Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Ave,

Well it does get hard to type on the iPhone touch screen! Sorry :)

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:

> Salve,
>
> You could've just said that response below Sulla, it made more sense (oddly
> enough) than your one line comment from out of nowhere.
>
> Now I'm responding with one-liners, dandy. Lets try for once to keep this
> constructive and on-topic and not our usual bad habits of pointless banter.
>
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ave,
>>
>> It's not from left field, modianus is trying to convince that amnesty is
>> preferred because nothing serious happened last year! Just bad behavior and
>> hey, everyone and every faction in nr is guilty of bad behavior! And that is
>> a strawman argument. That would be tantamount to say hey everyone speeds or
>> jay walks thusly all murders should go free! Because everyone is guilty of
>> something! That isn't going to wash!
>>
>>
>> Vale
>>
>> Sulla
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...<syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Salve Sulla,
>>>
>>>
>>> Sometimes your statements come so far from left field even I have to
>> scratch
>>> my head in pure puzzlement.
>>>
>>> Vale,
>>> Aeternia
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Robert <robert.woolwine@...<robert.woolwine%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ave,
>>>>
>>>> There is a difference between trying to overthrow the government and the
>>>> bad behavior of a petulant child!
>>>>
>>>> Vale
>>>>
>>>> Sulla
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
>> syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com><syrenslullaby%
>> 40gmail.com>>
>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano s.d.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Either you are misinterpreting my post by accident or you are either
>>>> doing
>>>>> it on purpose not sure which way yet. Anyway my suggestion was to be a
>>>>> peaceful solution. There is no need to have the "witch hunts" that went
>>>> on
>>>>> in the past BUT there should be a way to allow NR to prosper without
>>>> having
>>>>> those who were beyond negative, corrupted the law, and wanted to use
>>>> their
>>>>> seats of power for their own negative purposes, to be allowed to such
>>>> things
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it's okay for Anna to attack citizens on the ML for the sake of
>>>> whimsy?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's absolutely fine for Maior to moderate citizens on unlawful charges
>>>>> simply because she doesn't like them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Fabius Quintilianus is perfectly acceptable to install a Dictator
>> simply
>>>>> because Piscinus wished it to be so?
>>>>>
>>>>> These things are okay to do then is that what you are saying? That
>>>>> corruption should be okay to continue or we should we try to create a
>>>> check
>>>>> and balance system so at least people know things like that what won't
>> be
>>>>> tolerated and maybe they should be careful and respect the laws of Nova
>>>>> Roma?
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you have spoken many times Modianus about establishing peace
>> here
>>>> in
>>>>> our community, but it seems that you're okay with allowing the chaos to
>>>> come
>>>>> right back in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vale Optime,
>>>>> Aeternia
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:00 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
>> <tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should call this special committee "The office of the Inquisition,"
>>>> with
>>>>>> the chair of said committee being the Grand Inquisitor of Nova Roma, a
>>>>>> highly coveted office. Sounds like a grand idea right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or perhaps we could simply evaluate how things have been progressing
>> in
>>>>>> Nova
>>>>>> Roma over the past eight to ten years. A lot of bad behaviors have
>>>> occurred
>>>>>> over and over again. Time to do something different. Inquisitions have
>>>>>> only hurt Nova Roma, and created polarization and enmity were there
>>>> should
>>>>>> be community and cooperation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vale;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Modianus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
>>>>>> syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com> <syrenslullaby%
>> 40gmail.com> <syrenslullaby%
>>
>>>> 40gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aeternia P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori sal:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have as always found your words wise Venii, but I will re-iterate
>> the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> point I brought up on the Back Alley when this was mentioned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a form of amnesty/pardon is to be issued set up a special
>> committee
>>>> to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> purviewed and each individual is treated with a case by case
>> scenario,
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> former actions evaluated so it can be determined whether or not the
>>>>>> former
>>>>>>> citizen in question is helpful or harmful to Nova Roma on a long term
>>>>>>> scale. Upon that being it is within the laws of Nova Roma and not
>>>>>>> impending
>>>>>>> the jurisdiction of the Praetura to issue such things in the first
>>>> place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pretty much same point I raised on the BA just a lot more fancy
>> wording
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vale Optime,
>>>>>>> Aeternia
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82583 From: David Kling Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit

Anna is not a citizen of Nova Roma, why she seems so fixated is beyond me.
If she wanted to commit to Nova Roma she should have stayed in the senate
and attempted to do some good. She left and she should disassociate from
Nova Roma not cause problems. The same with Maior. If she doesn't want to
remain in Nova Roma then she should disassociate from it. They have already
left.. so any witch hunt is irrelevant with them, they're gone. Good
moderation goes a long way.

You think Quintilianus does the bidding of Piscinus? They
are separate individuals and one is not the client of the other. I voted
for the dictatorship, and so did MANY senatores. Will your inquisitorial
committee come after me, and everyone else who supported the dictatorship?


The situation in Nova Roma recently is a complex one, and the problem goes
back many years. I have viewed animosity build up over the "Cincinnatus
situation." That was a mistake but it was a breeding ground for animosity.
If the magistrates of next year attempt to "clean house" of all opposition
then those who survive will start plotting for "revenge." And the cycle
continues. There has been too much conflict in Nova Roma. It needs to stop
and positive things need to be our focus.

I do not live in the "Black and White" world that Sulla does. I see the
world in multiple colors and in various shades of gray.

Vale;

Modianus


On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
syrenslullaby@...> wrote:

> Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano s.d.
>
>
> Either you are misinterpreting my post by accident or you are either doing
> it on purpose not sure which way yet. Anyway my suggestion was to be a
> peaceful solution. There is no need to have the "witch hunts" that went on
> in the past BUT there should be a way to allow NR to prosper without having
> those who were beyond negative, corrupted the law, and wanted to use their
> seats of power for their own negative purposes, to be allowed to such
> things
> again.
>
> So it's okay for Anna to attack citizens on the ML for the sake of whimsy?
>
> It's absolutely fine for Maior to moderate citizens on unlawful charges
> simply because she doesn't like them?
>
> Fabius Quintilianus is perfectly acceptable to install a Dictator simply
> because Piscinus wished it to be so?
>
> These things are okay to do then is that what you are saying? That
> corruption should be okay to continue or we should we try to create a check
> and balance system so at least people know things like that what won't be
> tolerated and maybe they should be careful and respect the laws of Nova
> Roma?
>
> I know you have spoken many times Modianus about establishing peace here in
> our community, but it seems that you're okay with allowing the chaos to
> come
> right back in.
>
> Vale Optime,
> Aeternia


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82584 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Ave!

What would have happened in ancient Rome at the failing attempt at a coup?

The multi facted of grey just makes it easier to rationalize out gross
injustices. If one can rationalize them (ie its just bad behaviors) then
its easier to just accept them. Where does the rationalization stop? How
many people need to suffer until there is a need for law and order?

Vale,

Sulla

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:50 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
>
> Anna is not a citizen of Nova Roma, why she seems so fixated is beyond me.
> If she wanted to commit to Nova Roma she should have stayed in the senate
> and attempted to do some good. She left and she should disassociate from
> Nova Roma not cause problems. The same with Maior. If she doesn't want to
> remain in Nova Roma then she should disassociate from it. They have already
> left.. so any witch hunt is irrelevant with them, they're gone. Good
> moderation goes a long way.
>
> You think Quintilianus does the bidding of Piscinus? They
> are separate individuals and one is not the client of the other. I voted
> for the dictatorship, and so did MANY senatores. Will your inquisitorial
> committee come after me, and everyone else who supported the dictatorship?
>
> The situation in Nova Roma recently is a complex one, and the problem goes
> back many years. I have viewed animosity build up over the "Cincinnatus
> situation." That was a mistake but it was a breeding ground for animosity.
> If the magistrates of next year attempt to "clean house" of all opposition
> then those who survive will start plotting for "revenge." And the cycle
> continues. There has been too much conflict in Nova Roma. It needs to stop
> and positive things need to be our focus.
>
> I do not live in the "Black and White" world that Sulla does. I see the
> world in multiple colors and in various shades of gray.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
> syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano s.d.
> >
> >
> > Either you are misinterpreting my post by accident or you are either
> doing
> > it on purpose not sure which way yet. Anyway my suggestion was to be a
> > peaceful solution. There is no need to have the "witch hunts" that went
> on
> > in the past BUT there should be a way to allow NR to prosper without
> having
> > those who were beyond negative, corrupted the law, and wanted to use
> their
> > seats of power for their own negative purposes, to be allowed to such
> > things
> > again.
> >
> > So it's okay for Anna to attack citizens on the ML for the sake of
> whimsy?
> >
> > It's absolutely fine for Maior to moderate citizens on unlawful charges
> > simply because she doesn't like them?
> >
> > Fabius Quintilianus is perfectly acceptable to install a Dictator simply
> > because Piscinus wished it to be so?
> >
> > These things are okay to do then is that what you are saying? That
> > corruption should be okay to continue or we should we try to create a
> check
> > and balance system so at least people know things like that what won't be
> > tolerated and maybe they should be careful and respect the laws of Nova
> > Roma?
> >
> > I know you have spoken many times Modianus about establishing peace here
> in
> > our community, but it seems that you're okay with allowing the chaos to
> > come
> > right back in.
> >
> > Vale Optime,
> > Aeternia
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82585 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano S.P.D.

Okay we have long names, you should shorten yours like I do, and I don't
mean that in a insulting way so please don't take it as such.

See my comments below deck.

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:50 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
>
> Anna is not a citizen of Nova Roma, why she seems so fixated is beyond me.
> If she wanted to commit to Nova Roma she should have stayed in the senate
> and attempted to do some good. She left and she should disassociate from
> Nova Roma not cause problems. The same with Maior. If she doesn't want to
> remain in Nova Roma then she should disassociate from it. They have already
> left.. so any witch hunt is irrelevant with them, they're gone. Good
> moderation goes a long way.
>

Aeternia: Anna is one of those cases of unexplainable lets leave it at
that. But lets take a look back due to her own actions hence why the good
Moderation came about.

>
> You think Quintilianus does the bidding of Piscinus? They
> are separate individuals and one is not the client of the other. I voted
> for the dictatorship, and so did MANY senatores. Will your inquisitorial
> committee come after me, and everyone else who supported the dictatorship?
>

Aeternia: Yes I do and that is also my personal opinion he did Piscinus'
bidding, if there is proof otherwise I will gladly retract my statement
until then my personal opinion will stay. But my suggestion for a committee
is not to create some "Grand Inquisitor" position this is not the case of
watching too much Harry Potter. But do we need a check and balance system
for this, yes I believe we do, and it should be fair not extreme. You
supported a good sales pitch Modiane and what I mean by that (remember I
work in sales for a mundane living) is that a polished proposal was proposed
to you and the other Senators in such a way that it sounded very very good
but in the legal standpoint was very bad. I know for a fact you have
apologized and have tried to make amends and offered the peace branch to
many of your political opponents. I'm not faulting you here, I actually
commend you for it and wished others would've also taken your cue.

>
> The situation in Nova Roma recently is a complex one, and the problem goes
> back many years. I have viewed animosity build up over the "Cincinnatus
> situation." That was a mistake but it was a breeding ground for animosity.
> If the magistrates of next year attempt to "clean house" of all opposition
> then those who survive will start plotting for "revenge." And the cycle
> continues. There has been too much conflict in Nova Roma. It needs to stop
> and positive things need to be our focus.
>

Aeternia: I agree positive things need to be our focus and with hard work it
can be done, but the "slapping of the wrist" method needs to be abolished
and personal responsibility needs to be taken accounted for. There are ways
to do that without us becoming monsters ourselves.

>
> I do not live in the "Black and White" world that Sulla does. I see the
> world in multiple colors and in various shades of gray.
>

Aeternia: As do I Modianus, I see many shades of gray, I even have four pets
who are different varying colors of gray, but I also dwell in the world of
reality.

Vale,
Aeternia

>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
> syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano s.d.
> >
> >
> > Either you are misinterpreting my post by accident or you are either
> doing
> > it on purpose not sure which way yet. Anyway my suggestion was to be a
> > peaceful solution. There is no need to have the "witch hunts" that went
> on
> > in the past BUT there should be a way to allow NR to prosper without
> having
> > those who were beyond negative, corrupted the law, and wanted to use
> their
> > seats of power for their own negative purposes, to be allowed to such
> > things
> > again.
> >
> > So it's okay for Anna to attack citizens on the ML for the sake of
> whimsy?
> >
> > It's absolutely fine for Maior to moderate citizens on unlawful charges
> > simply because she doesn't like them?
> >
> > Fabius Quintilianus is perfectly acceptable to install a Dictator simply
> > because Piscinus wished it to be so?
> >
> > These things are okay to do then is that what you are saying? That
> > corruption should be okay to continue or we should we try to create a
> check
> > and balance system so at least people know things like that what won't be
> > tolerated and maybe they should be careful and respect the laws of Nova
> > Roma?
> >
> > I know you have spoken many times Modianus about establishing peace here
> in
> > our community, but it seems that you're okay with allowing the chaos to
> > come
> > right back in.
> >
> > Vale Optime,
> > Aeternia
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82586 From: David Kling Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit

I have a long name because I was adopted by Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus,
and I like to write my name to honor that adoption. At least they are
fairly short and easy to remember :)

I oppose the committee idea because we don't need more bureaucratic
frame-work in Nova Roma. I think less is often better.

I think it IS important that there be a concerted effort to reflect on this
year. To really look at it from multiple angles, as non-partisan historians
would. To fully understand the big picture. NOT to promote punishment
towards others, but instead to promote understanding, common ground, and
hopefully reconciliation.

Vale;

Modianus

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
syrenslullaby@...> wrote:

> Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano S.P.D.
>
> Okay we have long names, you should shorten yours like I do, and I don't
> mean that in a insulting way so please don't take it as such.
>
> See my comments below deck.
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:50 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
> >
> > Anna is not a citizen of Nova Roma, why she seems so fixated is beyond
> me.
> > If she wanted to commit to Nova Roma she should have stayed in the senate
> > and attempted to do some good. She left and she should disassociate from
> > Nova Roma not cause problems. The same with Maior. If she doesn't want to
> > remain in Nova Roma then she should disassociate from it. They have
> already
> > left.. so any witch hunt is irrelevant with them, they're gone. Good
> > moderation goes a long way.
> >
>
> Aeternia: Anna is one of those cases of unexplainable lets leave it at
> that. But lets take a look back due to her own actions hence why the good
> Moderation came about.
>
> >
> > You think Quintilianus does the bidding of Piscinus? They
> > are separate individuals and one is not the client of the other. I voted
> > for the dictatorship, and so did MANY senatores. Will your inquisitorial
> > committee come after me, and everyone else who supported the
> dictatorship?
> >
>
> Aeternia: Yes I do and that is also my personal opinion he did Piscinus'
> bidding, if there is proof otherwise I will gladly retract my statement
> until then my personal opinion will stay. But my suggestion for a
> committee
> is not to create some "Grand Inquisitor" position this is not the case of
> watching too much Harry Potter. But do we need a check and balance system
> for this, yes I believe we do, and it should be fair not extreme. You
> supported a good sales pitch Modiane and what I mean by that (remember I
> work in sales for a mundane living) is that a polished proposal was
> proposed
> to you and the other Senators in such a way that it sounded very very good
> but in the legal standpoint was very bad. I know for a fact you have
> apologized and have tried to make amends and offered the peace branch to
> many of your political opponents. I'm not faulting you here, I actually
> commend you for it and wished others would've also taken your cue.
>
> >
> > The situation in Nova Roma recently is a complex one, and the problem
> goes
> > back many years. I have viewed animosity build up over the "Cincinnatus
> > situation." That was a mistake but it was a breeding ground for
> animosity.
> > If the magistrates of next year attempt to "clean house" of all
> opposition
> > then those who survive will start plotting for "revenge." And the cycle
> > continues. There has been too much conflict in Nova Roma. It needs to
> stop
> > and positive things need to be our focus.
> >
>
> Aeternia: I agree positive things need to be our focus and with hard work
> it
> can be done, but the "slapping of the wrist" method needs to be abolished
> and personal responsibility needs to be taken accounted for. There are
> ways
> to do that without us becoming monsters ourselves.
>
> >
> > I do not live in the "Black and White" world that Sulla does. I see the
> > world in multiple colors and in various shades of gray.
> >
>
> Aeternia: As do I Modianus, I see many shades of gray, I even have four
> pets
> who are different varying colors of gray, but I also dwell in the world of
> reality.
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
> > syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano s.d.
> > >
> > >
> > > Either you are misinterpreting my post by accident or you are either
> > doing
> > > it on purpose not sure which way yet. Anyway my suggestion was to be a
> > > peaceful solution. There is no need to have the "witch hunts" that went
> > on
> > > in the past BUT there should be a way to allow NR to prosper without
> > having
> > > those who were beyond negative, corrupted the law, and wanted to use
> > their
> > > seats of power for their own negative purposes, to be allowed to such
> > > things
> > > again.
> > >
> > > So it's okay for Anna to attack citizens on the ML for the sake of
> > whimsy?
> > >
> > > It's absolutely fine for Maior to moderate citizens on unlawful charges
> > > simply because she doesn't like them?
> > >
> > > Fabius Quintilianus is perfectly acceptable to install a Dictator
> simply
> > > because Piscinus wished it to be so?
> > >
> > > These things are okay to do then is that what you are saying? That
> > > corruption should be okay to continue or we should we try to create a
> > check
> > > and balance system so at least people know things like that what won't
> be
> > > tolerated and maybe they should be careful and respect the laws of Nova
> > > Roma?
> > >
> > > I know you have spoken many times Modianus about establishing peace
> here
> > in
> > > our community, but it seems that you're okay with allowing the chaos to
> > > come
> > > right back in.
> > >
> > > Vale Optime,
> > > Aeternia
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82587 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Ave,

Holding people accountable for their own actions is just and noble - and it
is the sign of being an adult and responsible for one's own actions!
Especially when those actions are illegal and need to do penance to the
community for their own breeches of society's norms. To just whitewash the
past only creates the likelihood of having to relieve the chaos again!

I am going to ask you your own question that you asked on the BA. So what
did we learn from last year, Modianus?

Vale,

Sulla

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:29 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
>
> I have a long name because I was adopted by Caeso Fabius Buteo
> Quintilianus,
> and I like to write my name to honor that adoption. At least they are
> fairly short and easy to remember :)
>
> I oppose the committee idea because we don't need more bureaucratic
> frame-work in Nova Roma. I think less is often better.
>
> I think it IS important that there be a concerted effort to reflect on this
> year. To really look at it from multiple angles, as non-partisan historians
> would. To fully understand the big picture. NOT to promote punishment
> towards others, but instead to promote understanding, common ground, and
> hopefully reconciliation.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
> syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano S.P.D.
> >
> > Okay we have long names, you should shorten yours like I do, and I don't
> > mean that in a insulting way so please don't take it as such.
> >
> > See my comments below deck.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:50 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
> > >
> > > Anna is not a citizen of Nova Roma, why she seems so fixated is beyond
> > me.
> > > If she wanted to commit to Nova Roma she should have stayed in the
> senate
> > > and attempted to do some good. She left and she should disassociate
> from
> > > Nova Roma not cause problems. The same with Maior. If she doesn't want
> to
> > > remain in Nova Roma then she should disassociate from it. They have
> > already
> > > left.. so any witch hunt is irrelevant with them, they're gone. Good
> > > moderation goes a long way.
> > >
> >
> > Aeternia: Anna is one of those cases of unexplainable lets leave it at
> > that. But lets take a look back due to her own actions hence why the good
> > Moderation came about.
> >
> > >
> > > You think Quintilianus does the bidding of Piscinus? They
> > > are separate individuals and one is not the client of the other. I
> voted
> > > for the dictatorship, and so did MANY senatores. Will your
> inquisitorial
> > > committee come after me, and everyone else who supported the
> > dictatorship?
> > >
> >
> > Aeternia: Yes I do and that is also my personal opinion he did Piscinus'
> > bidding, if there is proof otherwise I will gladly retract my statement
> > until then my personal opinion will stay. But my suggestion for a
> > committee
> > is not to create some "Grand Inquisitor" position this is not the case of
> > watching too much Harry Potter. But do we need a check and balance system
> > for this, yes I believe we do, and it should be fair not extreme. You
> > supported a good sales pitch Modiane and what I mean by that (remember I
> > work in sales for a mundane living) is that a polished proposal was
> > proposed
> > to you and the other Senators in such a way that it sounded very very
> good
> > but in the legal standpoint was very bad. I know for a fact you have
> > apologized and have tried to make amends and offered the peace branch to
> > many of your political opponents. I'm not faulting you here, I actually
> > commend you for it and wished others would've also taken your cue.
> >
> > >
> > > The situation in Nova Roma recently is a complex one, and the problem
> > goes
> > > back many years. I have viewed animosity build up over the "Cincinnatus
> > > situation." That was a mistake but it was a breeding ground for
> > animosity.
> > > If the magistrates of next year attempt to "clean house" of all
> > opposition
> > > then those who survive will start plotting for "revenge." And the cycle
> > > continues. There has been too much conflict in Nova Roma. It needs to
> > stop
> > > and positive things need to be our focus.
> > >
> >
> > Aeternia: I agree positive things need to be our focus and with hard work
> > it
> > can be done, but the "slapping of the wrist" method needs to be abolished
> > and personal responsibility needs to be taken accounted for. There are
> > ways
> > to do that without us becoming monsters ourselves.
> >
> > >
> > > I do not live in the "Black and White" world that Sulla does. I see the
> > > world in multiple colors and in various shades of gray.
> > >
> >
> > Aeternia: As do I Modianus, I see many shades of gray, I even have four
> > pets
> > who are different varying colors of gray, but I also dwell in the world
> of
> > reality.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
> > > syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com> <syrenslullaby%
> 40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano s.d.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Either you are misinterpreting my post by accident or you are either
> > > doing
> > > > it on purpose not sure which way yet. Anyway my suggestion was to be
> a
> > > > peaceful solution. There is no need to have the "witch hunts" that
> went
> > > on
> > > > in the past BUT there should be a way to allow NR to prosper without
> > > having
> > > > those who were beyond negative, corrupted the law, and wanted to use
> > > their
> > > > seats of power for their own negative purposes, to be allowed to such
> > > > things
> > > > again.
> > > >
> > > > So it's okay for Anna to attack citizens on the ML for the sake of
> > > whimsy?
> > > >
> > > > It's absolutely fine for Maior to moderate citizens on unlawful
> charges
> > > > simply because she doesn't like them?
> > > >
> > > > Fabius Quintilianus is perfectly acceptable to install a Dictator
> > simply
> > > > because Piscinus wished it to be so?
> > > >
> > > > These things are okay to do then is that what you are saying? That
> > > > corruption should be okay to continue or we should we try to create a
> > > check
> > > > and balance system so at least people know things like that what
> won't
> > be
> > > > tolerated and maybe they should be careful and respect the laws of
> Nova
> > > > Roma?
> > > >
> > > > I know you have spoken many times Modianus about establishing peace
> > here
> > > in
> > > > our community, but it seems that you're okay with allowing the chaos
> to
> > > > come
> > > > right back in.
> > > >
> > > > Vale Optime,
> > > > Aeternia
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82588 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Re: ...the quality of mercy is not strained...
Salve Modianus, et Salve Omnes:

I too have a long name due to my adoption by Secunda Cornelia Valeria, the
first official adoption to occur in NR. But I shorten mine and use my full
name on mostly formal posts, because I try to be considerate of those who
may have to type it over and over again, that is just me of course we each
have our own way of honoring our adoptive Mater/Pater's.


As for the rest of our debate, since we have on the BA agreed to disagree on
the matter, I'll leave it at that we have agreed to simply disagree. Lets
try to move forward.

Vale,
Aeternia


On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:29 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
>
> I have a long name because I was adopted by Caeso Fabius Buteo
> Quintilianus,
> and I like to write my name to honor that adoption. At least they are
> fairly short and easy to remember :)
>
> I oppose the committee idea because we don't need more bureaucratic
> frame-work in Nova Roma. I think less is often better.
>
> I think it IS important that there be a concerted effort to reflect on this
> year. To really look at it from multiple angles, as non-partisan historians
> would. To fully understand the big picture. NOT to promote punishment
> towards others, but instead to promote understanding, common ground, and
> hopefully reconciliation.
>
> Vale;
>
> Modianus
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
>
> syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano S.P.D.
> >
> > Okay we have long names, you should shorten yours like I do, and I don't
> > mean that in a insulting way so please don't take it as such.
> >
> > See my comments below deck.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:50 AM, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...<tau.athanasios%40gmail.com>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Aeterniae salutem dicit
> > >
> > > Anna is not a citizen of Nova Roma, why she seems so fixated is beyond
> > me.
> > > If she wanted to commit to Nova Roma she should have stayed in the
> senate
> > > and attempted to do some good. She left and she should disassociate
> from
> > > Nova Roma not cause problems. The same with Maior. If she doesn't want
> to
> > > remain in Nova Roma then she should disassociate from it. They have
> > already
> > > left.. so any witch hunt is irrelevant with them, they're gone. Good
> > > moderation goes a long way.
> > >
> >
> > Aeternia: Anna is one of those cases of unexplainable lets leave it at
> > that. But lets take a look back due to her own actions hence why the good
> > Moderation came about.
> >
> > >
> > > You think Quintilianus does the bidding of Piscinus? They
> > > are separate individuals and one is not the client of the other. I
> voted
> > > for the dictatorship, and so did MANY senatores. Will your
> inquisitorial
> > > committee come after me, and everyone else who supported the
> > dictatorship?
> > >
> >
> > Aeternia: Yes I do and that is also my personal opinion he did Piscinus'
> > bidding, if there is proof otherwise I will gladly retract my statement
> > until then my personal opinion will stay. But my suggestion for a
> > committee
> > is not to create some "Grand Inquisitor" position this is not the case of
> > watching too much Harry Potter. But do we need a check and balance system
> > for this, yes I believe we do, and it should be fair not extreme. You
> > supported a good sales pitch Modiane and what I mean by that (remember I
> > work in sales for a mundane living) is that a polished proposal was
> > proposed
> > to you and the other Senators in such a way that it sounded very very
> good
> > but in the legal standpoint was very bad. I know for a fact you have
> > apologized and have tried to make amends and offered the peace branch to
> > many of your political opponents. I'm not faulting you here, I actually
> > commend you for it and wished others would've also taken your cue.
> >
> > >
> > > The situation in Nova Roma recently is a complex one, and the problem
> > goes
> > > back many years. I have viewed animosity build up over the "Cincinnatus
> > > situation." That was a mistake but it was a breeding ground for
> > animosity.
> > > If the magistrates of next year attempt to "clean house" of all
> > opposition
> > > then those who survive will start plotting for "revenge." And the cycle
> > > continues. There has been too much conflict in Nova Roma. It needs to
> > stop
> > > and positive things need to be our focus.
> > >
> >
> > Aeternia: I agree positive things need to be our focus and with hard work
> > it
> > can be done, but the "slapping of the wrist" method needs to be abolished
> > and personal responsibility needs to be taken accounted for. There are
> > ways
> > to do that without us becoming monsters ourselves.
> >
> > >
> > > I do not live in the "Black and White" world that Sulla does. I see the
> > > world in multiple colors and in various shades of gray.
> > >
> >
> > Aeternia: As do I Modianus, I see many shades of gray, I even have four
> > pets
> > who are different varying colors of gray, but I also dwell in the world
> of
> > reality.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
> > > syrenslullaby@... <syrenslullaby%40gmail.com> <syrenslullaby%
> 40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Aeternia Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano s.d.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Either you are misinterpreting my post by accident or you are either
> > > doing
> > > > it on purpose not sure which way yet. Anyway my suggestion was to be
> a
> > > > peaceful solution. There is no need to have the "witch hunts" that
> went
> > > on
> > > > in the past BUT there should be a way to allow NR to prosper without
> > > having
> > > > those who were beyond negative, corrupted the law, and wanted to use
> > > their
> > > > seats of power for their own negative purposes, to be allowed to such
> > > > things
> > > > again.
> > > >
> > > > So it's okay for Anna to attack citizens on the ML for the sake of
> > > whimsy?
> > > >
> > > > It's absolutely fine for Maior to moderate citizens on unlawful
> charges
> > > > simply because she doesn't like them?
> > > >
> > > > Fabius Quintilianus is perfectly acceptable to install a Dictator
> > simply
> > > > because Piscinus wished it to be so?
> > > >
> > > > These things are okay to do then is that what you are saying? That
> > > > corruption should be okay to continue or we should we try to create a
> > > check
> > > > and balance system so at least people know things like that what
> won't
> > be
> > > > tolerated and maybe they should be careful and respect the laws of
> Nova
> > > > Roma?
> > > >
> > > > I know you have spoken many times Modianus about establishing peace
> > here
> > > in
> > > > our community, but it seems that you're okay with allowing the chaos
> to
> > > > come
> > > > right back in.
> > > >
> > > > Vale Optime,
> > > > Aeternia
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82589 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-12-20
Subject: Lunar eclipse on Winter Solstice.
Salvete omnes

It hasn't happened for 400 years.

But tomorrow morning you might see a total lunar eclipse occurring on the winter solstice, which is also Yule. Those of you in Hibernia, North America and Canada should be able to see the full eclipse, if it isn't snowing too heavily.

Full story here:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1340144/Total-lunar-eclipse-tomorrow-morning-Earth-casts-shadow-moon.html


I wish everybody a Happy Yule.

Valete omnes

Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82590 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-21
Subject: a.d. XII Kal. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

IO SATURNALIA!

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XII Kalendas Ianuarius; hic dies nefastus
publicus est.


"But before I proceed, I desire to show in a few words that it is not
without design and mature premeditation that I have turned to the
early part of Rome's history, but that I have well-considered reasons
to give for my choice, to forestall the censure of those who, fond of
finding fault with everything and not as yet having heard of any of
the matters which I am about to make known, may blame me because, in
spite of the fact that this city, grown so famous in our days, had
very humble and inglorious beginnings, unworthy of historical record,
and that it was but a few generations ago, that is, since her
overthrow of the Macedonian powers and her success in the Punic wars,
that she arrived at distinction and glory, nevertheless, when I was at
liberty to choose one of the famous periods in her history for my
theme, I turned aside to one so barren of distinction as her
antiquarian lore. For to this day almost all the Greeks are ignorant
of the early history of Rome and the great majority of them have been
imposed upon by sundry false opinions grounded upon stories which
chance which chance has brought to their ears and led to believe that,
having come upon various vagabonds without house or home and
barbarians, and even those not free men, as her founders, she in the
course of time arrived at world domination, and this not through
reverence for the gods and justice and every other virtue, but through
some chance and the injustice of Fortune, which inconsiderately
showers her greatest favours upon the most undeserving. And indeed the
more malicious are wont to rail openly at Fortune for freely bestowing
on the basest of us the blessings of the Greeks. And yet why should I
mention men at large, when even some historians have dared to express
such views in the writing they have left, taking this method of
humouring barbarian kings who detested Rome's supremacy,— princes to
whom they were ever servilely devoted and with whom they associated as
flatterers, — by presenting them with "histories" which were neither
just nor true?" - Dionysis of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" 1.4


"In Phlios and Sikyon the temple of Dia is held in honor; and Dia is
their name for Hebe." - Strabo, Geography 8.6.24

"On the Phliasian citadel [at Phlios, Argos] is a grove of cypress
trees and a sanctuary which from ancient times has been held to be
peculiarly holy. The earliest Phliasians named the goddess to whom the
sanctuary belongs Ganymeda; but later authorites call her Hebe, whom
Homer mentions in the duel between Menelaos and Alexandros, saying
that she was the cup-bearer of the gods; and again he says, in the
descent of Odysseus to Haides, that she was the wife of Herakles.
Olen, in his hymn to Hera, says that Hera was reared by the Horai (the
Seasons), and that her children were Ares and Hebe. Of the honours
that the Phliasians pay to this goddess the greatest is the pardoning
of suppliants. All those who seek sanctuary here receive full
forgiveness, and prisoners, when set free, dedicate their fetters on
the trees in the grove. The Phliasians also celebrate a yearly
festival which they call Kissotomoi (Ivy-cutters). There is no image,
either kept in secret of openly displayed, and the reason for this is
set forth in a sacred legend of theirs though on the left as you go
out is a temple of Hera with an image of Parian marble." - Pausanias,
Guide to Greece 2.13.3

Today is the celebration of the Divalia, in honor of the goddess Dia.
he worship of the Roman goddess Dea Dia was in the hands of a
priesthood of twelve, the "fratres arvales" (Arval brethren), and she
possessed a shrine in a grove outside Rome at the fifth (or sixth,
depending on the period) milestone on the Via Campana. Dea Dia, who
was the owner of the "lucus fratrum arvalium" (the grove of the Arval
brethren) and the main addressee of the cult celebrated by the Arval
brethren, is only known by the proceedings of this brotherhood. The
ritual at her festival employed, among other offerings (a lamb,
meatballs, sweet wine, and pastries), green ears from the current
crop, together with dried ears of grain from the previous year's crop.
The other gods and goddesses mentioned in her lucus are to be
considered her assistants or her guests. Her main festival was held
on three successive days at the end of May, culminating in the Ambarvalia.


"Duodecimo vero feriae sunt divae Angeroniae, cui pontifices in
sacello Volupiae sacrum faciunt: quam Verrius Flaccus Angeroniam dici
ait, quod angores ac sollicitudines animorum propitiata depellat." -
Macrobius 1.10

"It will not perhaps be altogether foreign to the purpose, if I here
make mention of one peculiar institution of our forefathers which
bears especial reference to the inculcation of silence on religious
matters. The goddess Angerona, to whom sacrifice is offered on the
twelfth day before the calends of January, is represented in her
statue as having her mouth bound with a sealed fillet." - Pliny,
Natural History 3.9

Today is also sacred to the goddess Angerona, and is also known as the
Angeronalia. She is an indigenous Italian goddess, about whom little
is known, except that she is the goddess of secrets and silence, and
she was a goddess who relieved men from pain and sorrow, or delivered
the Romans and their flocks from angina. Also she was a protecting
goddess of Rome and the keeper of the sacred name of the city, which
might not be pronounced lest it should be revealed to her enemies. It
was even thought that Angerona itself was this name. She is portrayed
holding a finger to her mouth, which is wrapped shut. Her statue
stood on the altar of Volupia. She is also thought to be the goddess
of the Winter Solstice, which is today.


Today is also the fifth day of the Saturnalia.


IO SATURNALIA!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82591 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-22
Subject: a.d. XI Kal. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XI Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"The first historian, so far as I am aware, to touch upon the early
period of the Romans was Hieronymus of Cardia, in his work on the
Epigoni. After him Timaeus of Sicily related the beginnings of their
history in his general history and treated in a separate work the wars
with Pyrrhus of Epirus. Besides these, Antigonus, Polybius, Silenus
and innumerable other authors devoted themselves to the same themes,
though in different ways, each of them recording some few things
compiled without accurate investigation on his own part but from
reports which chance had brought to his ears. Like to these in all
respects are the histories of those Romans, also, who related in Greek
the early achievements of the city; the oldest of these writers are
Quintus Fabius and Lucius Cincius, who both flourished during the
Punic wars. Each of these men related the events at which he himself
had been present with great exactness, as being well acquainted with
them, but touched only in a summary way upon the early events that
followed the founding of the city. For these reasons, therefore, I
have determined not to pass over a noble period of history which the
older writers left untouched, a period, moreover, the accurate
portrayal of which will lead to the following most excellent and just
results: In the first place, the brave men who have fulfilled their
destiny will gain immortal glory and be extolled by posterity, which
things render human nature like upon the divine and prevent men's
deeds from perishing together with their bodies. And again, both the
present and future descendants of those godlike men will choose, not
the pleasantest and easiest of lives, but rather the noblest and most
ambitious, when they consider that all who are sprung from an
illustrious origin ought to set a high value on themselves and indulge
in no pursuit unworthy of their ancestors. And I, who have not
turned aside to this work for the sake of flattery, but out of a
regard for truth and justice, which ought to be the aim of every
history, shall have an opportunity, in the first place, of expressing
my attitude of goodwill toward all good men and toward all who take
pleasure in the contemplation of great and noble deeds; and, in the
second place, of making the most grateful return that I may to the
city in remembrance everyone the education and other blessings I have
enjoyed during my residence in it." - Dionysis of Halicarnassus,
"Roman Antiquities" 1.6


"Rhea, when she was heavy with Zeus, went off to Krete and gave birth
to him there in a cave on Mount Dikte. She put him in the care of both
the Kouretes and the nymphs Adrasteia and Ide, daughters of Melisseus.
These Nymphai nursed the baby with the milk of Amaltheia, while the
armed Kouretes stood guard over him in the cave, banging their spears
against their shields to prevent Kronos from hearing the infant's
voice." - Apollodorus, The Library 1.4-5

"When the Nymph, carrying thee, O Father Zeus [from Arkadia where he
was born to hand over to his protectors and nurses in Krete], toward
Knosos Â… But thee, O Zeus, the companions of Kyrbantes took to their
arms, even the Diktaian Meliai, and Adrasteia [Nemesis] laid thee to
rest in a cradle of gold, and thou didst suck the rich teat of the
she-goat Amaltheia, and thereto eat the sweet honey-comb." -
Callimachus, Hymn I to Zeus 42

"The story is told that Zeus was nursed by a goat there, just as
Aratos says: 'Sacred goat, which, in story, didst hold thy breast o'er
Zeus;' and he goes on to say that 'the interpreters call her the
Olenian goat of Zeus,' thus clearly indicating that the place is near
Olene." - Strabo, Geography 8.7.5

"The holy Goat (Aix), that, as legend tells, gave the breast to Zeus.
Her the interpreters of Zeus call the Olenian Goat." - Aratus,
Phaenomena 162

"He [Zeus] changed the goat [his nurse] into an immortal, there is a
representation of her among the stars to this day." - Antoninus
Liberalis, Metamorphoses 36

"On his [the constellation Charioteer] the goat Capra stands, and in
his left hand the Kids seem to be placed. They tell this story about
him...Parmeniscus say that...Zeus was fed the milk of a she-goat,
Amalthea by name, who is said to have reared him. She often bore twin
kids, and at the very time that Jove was brought to her to nurse, had
borne a pair. And so because of the kindness of the mother, the kids,
too were placed among the constellations. Cleostratus of Tenedos is
said to have first pointed out these kids among the stars.
But Musaeus says...Zeus made his aigis out of the skin of the goat and
later covering the remaining bones of the goat with a skin, he gave
life to them and memorialised them, picturing them with stars." -
Hyginus, Astronomica 2.13

On this day the Sun enters the zodiacal Sign of Capricornus. It is
usually called Capricorn, especially in astrology. It represents a
horned goat, although it is commonly called the sea-goat. Capricornus
is one of the 88 modern constellations, and was also one of the 48
constellations listed by Ptolemy. Under its modern boundaries it is
bordered by Aquila, Sagittarius, Microscopium, Piscis Austrinus and
Aquarius.

This constellation is sometimes identified as Amaltheia, the goat that
suckled the infant Zeus after his mother Rhea saved him from being
devoured by his father Kronos (Saturn in Rome) in Greek mythology. The
goat's broken horn was transformed into the cornucopia or horn of
plenty. Some ancient sources claim that this derives from the sun
"taking nourishment" while in the constellation, in preparation for
its climb back northward.

However, the constellation is often depicted as a sea-goat, a goat
with a fish's tail. One myth that deals with this says that when the
goat-god Pan was attacked by the monster Typhon, he dove into the
Nile; the parts above the water remained a goat, but those under the
water transformed into a fish.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82592 From: mcorvvs Date: 2010-12-22
Subject: CORVVS RESIGNATION
Salvete omnes,

after concluding my term as Tribunus Plebis and due to my personal situation I, Marcus Octavius Corvus, resign from all offices I used to hold in NR:
- Sacerdos Iovis;
- Interpreter;
- Scriba censoris.

Valete omnes,

CORVVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82593 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-22
Subject: Good evening!!!
Salvete Omnes...

You know, I count myself fortunate that Cassius and Vedius found each
other and took the decision to create Nova Roma...having come along
about 4 months later.

I should like to float a proposal for debate amongst the Cives...

As Cassius and Vedius have received the appellation of Fathers of the
Nation (Patres Patria [sic]), should not those men and women who
joined in the 1st 3-months (and have stuck around) also have the
appellation of Father or Mother of the Nation???

Stick-to-it-tiveness IS a Roman virtue in my mind.

Q Fabius Maximus comes to mind...

--
In amicitia et fide
P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis et Poeta

Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

(sites subject to occasional updates)
http://www.facebook.com/p.ullerius.stfnus.venator
http://nrfb.korsoft.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82594 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: My Sincere Congratulations to all Magistrates-Elect!
Iulia Aquila Venatori consuli-elect, Catoni consuli-elect, Albucio Censori-elect, Caesari Praetori-elect, Gualtero Praetori-elect, Aeterniae Aedili Curuli-elect, Celso Aedili Curuli-elect omnibusque in foro S.P.D.

I raise a cup of Mulsum in sincere congratulations to all our newly elected Magistrates, those mentioned and also to our new Tribunes: Paulinus, Germanicus,Enodiaria, Crassus and Priscus and to our new Quaestor- elect Taura, Rogator-elect Scipio and Custos-elect Sulla.
May wisdom guide you; in tough times determination will help you prevail and always remember, tanta molis erat Romanam condere gentem; we already have a good start.

We are all looking forward to a productive year in 2011 and thank you for your willingness to serve the respublica!

Curate nihil aliud nisi ut valeatis,
Bona Saturnalia!

L. Julia Aquila
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82595 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Ave!

I would, with all due respect, decline. I think there are more deserving
people who should have this type of recognition...like Senator Audens or
Palladius, who, in my mind should be Princep Senatus...as well as pater
patriae. I think that there should be more than one factor to determine
such an important honor of Pater Patriae.

And, with all due respect, I would like to, in advance, decline any such
title. I do not feel it is something I deserve to have.

Most Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <
famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete Omnes...
>
> You know, I count myself fortunate that Cassius and Vedius found each
> other and took the decision to create Nova Roma...having come along
> about 4 months later.
>
> I should like to float a proposal for debate amongst the Cives...
>
> As Cassius and Vedius have received the appellation of Fathers of the
> Nation (Patres Patria [sic]), should not those men and women who
> joined in the 1st 3-months (and have stuck around) also have the
> appellation of Father or Mother of the Nation???
>
> Stick-to-it-tiveness IS a Roman virtue in my mind.
>
> Q Fabius Maximus comes to mind...
>
> --
> In amicitia et fide
> P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis et Poeta
>
> Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
>
> (sites subject to occasional updates)
> http://www.facebook.com/p.ullerius.stfnus.venator
> http://nrfb.korsoft.com/
> http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82596 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: IO SATURNALIA!
Iulia Petronio suo amico S.P.D.

I am reading it (slowly)! I have read the discussion of the toga virilis ceremony, and a few sensuous parts, the descriptions are wonderful of the villa and countryside and I have delved into the morality discussion. I must admit I have had to use the French version esp. when it comes to the deeper conceptual conversations.
I do not want to reveal too much and ruin the story for others but i wish I could go at a faster pace! You write very well amice! Thank you so much but now you must send me Liber IV to compete my collection!

Bona Saturnalia et cura ut valeas,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Iulia,
>
> The 4th short story of my Roman detective C. Tiburtius Dexter, that I wrote in French and in Latin, is entitled: "Saturnalia cruenta" in English "bloody Saturnals", you can see that here:
>
> The 4 stories:
> http://www.circulus.fr/opera/fabulae/dexter/dexter.php
>
> The bloody Saturnals:
> http://www.circulus.fr/opera/fabulae/dexter/dexter_4.php
>
> IO SATVRNALIA!
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> A. d. XIV Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82597 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: My Sincere Congratulations to all Magistrates-Elect!
Aeternia Iuliae Aquilae Omnibus in foro S.P.D.



Yes a congratulations to all who were elected in the recent elections!
Thank you also Julia for your kind wishes!


Bona Saturnalia!

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:08 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Iulia Aquila Venatori consuli-elect, Catoni consuli-elect, Albucio
> Censori-elect, Caesari Praetori-elect, Gualtero Praetori-elect, Aeterniae
> Aedili Curuli-elect, Celso Aedili Curuli-elect omnibusque in foro S.P.D.
>
> I raise a cup of Mulsum in sincere congratulations to all our newly elected
> Magistrates, those mentioned and also to our new Tribunes: Paulinus,
> Germanicus,Enodiaria, Crassus and Priscus and to our new Quaestor- elect
> Taura, Rogator-elect Scipio and Custos-elect Sulla.
> May wisdom guide you; in tough times determination will help you prevail
> and always remember, tanta molis erat Romanam condere gentem; we already
> have a good start.
>
> We are all looking forward to a productive year in 2011 and thank you for
> your willingness to serve the respublica!
>
> Curate nihil aliud nisi ut valeatis,
> Bona Saturnalia!
>
> L. Julia Aquila
> Aedilis Curulis
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82598 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: My Sincere Congratulations to all Magistrates-Elect!
Ave!

Thank you for your kind words :) And Congrats to everyone!!!!

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:08 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Iulia Aquila Venatori consuli-elect, Catoni consuli-elect, Albucio
> Censori-elect, Caesari Praetori-elect, Gualtero Praetori-elect, Aeterniae
> Aedili Curuli-elect, Celso Aedili Curuli-elect omnibusque in foro S.P.D.
>
> I raise a cup of Mulsum in sincere congratulations to all our newly elected
> Magistrates, those mentioned and also to our new Tribunes: Paulinus,
> Germanicus,Enodiaria, Crassus and Priscus and to our new Quaestor- elect
> Taura, Rogator-elect Scipio and Custos-elect Sulla.
> May wisdom guide you; in tough times determination will help you prevail
> and always remember, tanta molis erat Romanam condere gentem; we already
> have a good start.
>
> We are all looking forward to a productive year in 2011 and thank you for
> your willingness to serve the respublica!
>
> Curate nihil aliud nisi ut valeatis,
> Bona Saturnalia!
>
> L. Julia Aquila
> Aedilis Curulis
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82599 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
C. Petronius P. Venatori s.p.d.,

I thought that the first who joined Nova Roma are those who was named "patricians".
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Early_Citizens_%28Nova_Roma%29

"These were the original Patrician Gens, of course some of them were one person gens that became extinct when the "paterfamilias" resigned. They were replaced as time went along. Thus we now have Africana Secunda, Annaea, Antonia, Fabia, Grylla, Minucia, Nigra, Tullia, Ulleria as Patrician Gens."

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. X Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.

----- Message d'origine -----

De : Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...>
À : NR-Main List <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé le : Jeu 23 décembre 2010, 3h 23min 46s
Objet : [Nova-Roma] Good evening!!!
Salvete Omnes...

You know, I count myself fortunate that Cassius and Vedius found each
other and took the decision to create Nova Roma...having come along
about 4 months later.

I should like to float a proposal for debate amongst the Cives...

As Cassius and Vedius have received the appellation of Fathers of the
Nation (Patres Patria [sic]), should not those men and women who
joined in the 1st 3-months (and have stuck around) also have the
appellation of Father or Mother of the Nation???

Stick-to-it-tiveness IS a Roman virtue in my mind.

Q Fabius Maximus comes to mind...

--
In amicitia et fide
P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis et Poeta

Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

(sites subject to occasional updates)
http://www.facebook.com/p.ullerius.stfnus.venator
http://nrfb.korsoft.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82600 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Ave!

That isn't exactly true...there were some old time gentes that preferred to
be Plebians from day 1.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Gaius Petronius Dexter <
jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

>
>
> C. Petronius P. Venatori s.p.d.,
>
> I thought that the first who joined Nova Roma are those who was named
> "patricians".
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Early_Citizens_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
> "These were the original Patrician Gens, of course some of them were one
> person gens that became extinct when the "paterfamilias" resigned. They were
> replaced as time went along. Thus we now have Africana Secunda, Annaea,
> Antonia, Fabia, Grylla, Minucia, Nigra, Tullia, Ulleria as Patrician Gens."
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> A. d. X Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.
>
> ----- Message d'origine -----
>
> De : Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...<famila.ulleria.venii%40gmail.com>
> >
> � : NR-Main List <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Envoy� le : Jeu 23 d�cembre 2010, 3h 23min 46s
> Objet : [Nova-Roma] Good evening!!!
>
> Salvete Omnes...
>
> You know, I count myself fortunate that Cassius and Vedius found each
> other and took the decision to create Nova Roma...having come along
> about 4 months later.
>
> I should like to float a proposal for debate amongst the Cives...
>
> As Cassius and Vedius have received the appellation of Fathers of the
> Nation (Patres Patria [sic]), should not those men and women who
> joined in the 1st 3-months (and have stuck around) also have the
> appellation of Father or Mother of the Nation???
>
> Stick-to-it-tiveness IS a Roman virtue in my mind.
>
> Q Fabius Maximus comes to mind...
>
> --
> In amicitia et fide
> P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
> Civis et Poeta
>
> Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
>
> (sites subject to occasional updates)
> http://www.facebook.com/p.ullerius.stfnus.venator
> http://nrfb.korsoft.com/
> http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82601 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Petronio Dextro optimo suo P. Ullerio Venatori
> quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> C. Petronius P. Venatori s.p.d.,
>
> I thought that the first who joined Nova Roma are those who was named
> "patricians".
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Early_Citizens_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
> ATS: So far as I know, that is the case, though not all might be
> patrician.
>
> "These were the original Patrician Gens, of course some of them were one
> person gens that became extinct when the "paterfamilias" resigned. They were
> replaced as time went along. Thus we now have Africana Secunda, Annaea,
> Antonia, Fabia, Grylla, Minucia, Nigra, Tullia, Ulleria as Patrician Gens."
>
> ATS: Those gentes which do not have correct Roman names (Africana
> Secunda, Nigra, Grylla) are all but extinct. Gens Nigra is extinct, and
> Grylla has perhaps two registered members, as does Africana Secunda. Members
> of the double-named gentes and others which do not have proper Roman names
> were encouraged to change them to more correct ones. No ancient Roman gens
> had a double name; the others here listed should be cognomina, not nomina. On
> the other hand, gens Octavia and gens Julia are generally patrician in NR,
> though all of the more recent arrivals are plebeian unless they are the
> children of existing patrician citizens or adopted into a patrician gens.
> Cornelia is also likely patrician with the same exception. Secondly, the
> gentes no longer have patres; that, as you well know, is ahistoric. Familiae
> have patres, not gentes.
>
> Perseverance is a good thing in certain circumstances, Venator, but early
> membership, unlike actual foundation, is more or less an accident. For
> example, I might have joined way back then, but had domestic duties, not to
> mention a lack of online know-how, which prevented that. I doubt I am alone
> among the long-time citizens here who simply were not aware of NR, or unable
> to participate, at that time. We are patricians, and that should be
> enough...unless one wants to raise the CP duration ceiling, that is.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. X Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.

Valete.
>
> ----- Message d'origine -----
>
> De : Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...
> <mailto:famila.ulleria.venii%40gmail.com> >
> À : NR-Main List <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Envoyé le : Jeu 23 décembre 2010, 3h 23min 46s
> Objet : [Nova-Roma] Good evening!!!
> Salvete Omnes...
>
> You know, I count myself fortunate that Cassius and Vedius found each
> other and took the decision to create Nova Roma...having come along
> about 4 months later.
>
> I should like to float a proposal for debate amongst the Cives...
>
> As Cassius and Vedius have received the appellation of Fathers of the
> Nation (Patres Patria [sic]), should not those men and women who
> joined in the 1st 3-months (and have stuck around) also have the
> appellation of Father or Mother of the Nation???
>
> Stick-to-it-tiveness IS a Roman virtue in my mind.
>
> Q Fabius Maximus comes to mind...




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82602 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Salve et Salvete;

I apologize...I had meant to send this to some Nova Roma Cives with
whom I agree and disagree, but whose opinions and advice I will seek,
before floating it to the whole "City."

I hit the wrong email address.

It shows what happens when I write just before bedtime when I am tired.

Vale et Valete - Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82603 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
C. Petronius P. Venatori s.p.d.,

> I hit the wrong email address.

It seems to me that you noticed that for the second time... First you sent a joke on the 8 planets and apologized to send this joke in a wrong address, and now this e-mail.

I strongly suggest you to be careful with your address book because as next year consul if you are not such careful with your private e-mails you could make troubles as a kind of watergates or wikileaks... :o)

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. X Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82604 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
C. Petronius P. Venatori s.p.d.,

> I strongly suggest you to be careful with your address book because as next year consul if you are not such careful with your private e-mails you could make troubles as a kind of watergates or wikileaks... :o)

Ooops my Watergates joke does not work!

For the "8 planets" joke sent in a wrong address it was not your but Ti. Paulinus'...

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. X Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82605 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Ave!

hehehe...see we are all human! ;)

Vale,

Sulla

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:28 AM, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>wrote:

>
>
>
> C. Petronius P. Venatori s.p.d.,
>
> > I strongly suggest you to be careful with your address book because as
> next year consul if you are not such careful with your private e-mails you
> could make troubles as a kind of watergates or wikileaks... :o)
>
> Ooops my Watergates joke does not work!
>
> For the "8 planets" joke sent in a wrong address it was not your but Ti.
> Paulinus'...
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> A. d. X Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82606 From: Vedius Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
Salve,

That was by their explicit request. One or two individuals founded
gentes with names that were, historically, plebeian in nature. They
requested that they be listed amongst Nova Roma's plebeians, and we saw
no harm in allowing it.

Other than that, Gaius Petronius Dexter is correct. The "reward" for
early entry was patrician status.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus

On 12/23/2010 1:02 AM, Robert Woolwine wrote:
> Ave!
>
> That isn't exactly true...there were some old time gentes that preferred to
> be Plebians from day 1.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Gaius Petronius Dexter<
> jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> C. Petronius P. Venatori s.p.d.,
>>
>> I thought that the first who joined Nova Roma are those who was named
>> "patricians".
>> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Early_Citizens_%28Nova_Roma%29
>>
>> "These were the original Patrician Gens, of course some of them were one
>> person gens that became extinct when the "paterfamilias" resigned. They were
>> replaced as time went along. Thus we now have Africana Secunda, Annaea,
>> Antonia, Fabia, Grylla, Minucia, Nigra, Tullia, Ulleria as Patrician Gens."
>>
>> Optime vale.
>>
>> C. Petronius Dexter
>> Arcoiali scribebat
>> A. d. X Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.
>>
>> ----- Message d'origine -----
>>
>> De : Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator<famila.ulleria.venii@...<famila.ulleria.venii%40gmail.com>
>> À : NR-Main List<Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>>
>> Envoyé le : Jeu 23 décembre 2010, 3h 23min 46s
>> Objet : [Nova-Roma] Good evening!!!
>>
>> Salvete Omnes...
>>
>> You know, I count myself fortunate that Cassius and Vedius found each
>> other and took the decision to create Nova Roma...having come along
>> about 4 months later.
>>
>> I should like to float a proposal for debate amongst the Cives...
>>
>> As Cassius and Vedius have received the appellation of Fathers of the
>> Nation (Patres Patria [sic]), should not those men and women who
>> joined in the 1st 3-months (and have stuck around) also have the
>> appellation of Father or Mother of the Nation???
>>
>> Stick-to-it-tiveness IS a Roman virtue in my mind.
>>
>> Q Fabius Maximus comes to mind...
>>
>> --
>> In amicitia et fide
>> P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
>> Civis et Poeta
>>
>> Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
>>
>> (sites subject to occasional updates)
>> http://www.facebook.com/p.ullerius.stfnus.venator
>> http://nrfb.korsoft.com/
>> http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82607 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Provisional results of the Senate session
Senatores, Tribunes,

Here are the provisional results of our just closed Senate session.

(I request pls Tribunes Rutilia and Galerius to organize with their colleague tribunes for I have not been informed of the name of the reporting tribune for this session)

Voters : 14 (PMA, TIS, MIP, LCSF, GEC, GIC, GVA, QFM, CFBQ, KFBM, QSP, TGP, DIPI, ATS)
Expressed : 14
Items passed (4, 11, 12, 13, 14) : all, by :
- 4 and 12 : 14 ur
- 11 : 13 ur and 1 ant (ATS)
- 13 and 14 : 13 ur and 1 abs (ATS on 13) and (TGP on 14).


Valete omnes Matres Patresque, et Tribunes,



Albucius cos.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82608 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: a.d. X Kal. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD


Hodiernus dies est ante diem X Kalendas Ianuarius; hic dies nefastus publicus est.


"Having thus given the reason for my choice of subject, I wish now to
say something concerning the sources I used while preparing for my
task. For it is possible that those who have already read Hieronymus,
Timaeus, Polybius, or any of the other historians whom I just now
mentioned as having slurred over their work, since they will not have
found in those authors many things mentioned by me, will suspect me of
inventing them and will demand to know how I came by the knowledge of
these particulars. Lest anyone, therefore, should entertain such an
opinion of me, it is best that I should state in advance what
narratives and records I have used as sources. I arrived in Italy at
the very time that Augustus Caesar put an end to the civil war, in the
middle of the one hundred and eighty-seventh Olympiad, and having from
that time to this present day, a period of twenty-two years, lived at
Rome, learned the language of the Romans and acquainted myself with
their writings, I have devoted myself during all that time to matters
bearing upon my subject. Some information I received orally from men
of the greatest learning, with whom I associated; and the rest I
gathered from histories written by the approved Roman authors —
Porcius Cato, Fabius Maximus, Valerius Antias, Licinius Macer, the
aelii, Gellii and Calpurnii, and many others of note; with these
works, which are like the Greek annalistic accounts, as a basis, I set
about the writing of my history. So much, then, concerning myself.
But it yet remains for me to say something also concerning the history
itself — to what periods I limit it, what subjects I describe, and
what form I give to the work.

I begin my history, then, with the most ancient legends, which the
historians before me have omitted as a subject difficult to be cleared
up with diligent study; and I bring the narrative down to the
beginning of the First Punic War, which fell in the third year of the
one hundred and twenty-eighth Olympiad. I relate all the foreign wars
that the city waged during that period and all the internal seditions
with which she was agitated, showing from what causes they sprang and
by what methods and by what arguments they were brought to an end. I
give an account also of all the forms of government Rome used, both
during the monarchy and after its overthrow, and show what was the
character of each. I describe the best customs and the most remarkable
laws; and, in short, I show the whole life of the ancient Romans. As
to the form I give this work, it does not resemble that which the
authors who make wars alone their subject have given to their
histories, nor that which others who treat of the several forms of
government by themselves have adopted, nor is it like the annalistic
accounts which the authors of Atthides have published (for these are
monotonous and soon grow tedious to the reader), but it is a
combination of every kind, forensic, speculative and narrative, to the
intent that it may afford satisfaction both to those who occupy
themselves with political debates and to those who are devoted to
philosophical speculations, as well as to any who may desire mere
undisturbed entertainment in their reading of history. Such things,
therefore, will be the subjects of my history and such will be its
form. I, the author, am Dionysius of Halicarnassus, the son of
Alexander. And at this point I begin." - Dionysis of Halicarnassus,
"Roman Antiquities", 1.7-8


"Others think that the first rise of this fable came from the
children's nurse, through the ambiguity of her name; for the Latins
not only called wolves lupoe, but also women of loose life; and such
an one was the wife of Faustulus, who nurtured these children, Acca
Larentia by name. To her the Romans offer sacrifices, and in the month
of April the priest of Mars makes libations there; it is called the
Larentian Feast. They honour also another Larentia, for the following
reason: the keeper of Hercules's temple having, it seems, little else
to do, proposed to his deity a game at dice, laying down that, if he
himself won, he would have something valuable of the god; but if he
were beaten, he would spread him a noble table, and procure him a fair
lady's company. Upon these terms, throwing first for the god and then
for himself, he found himself beaten. Wishing to pay his stakes
honourably, and holding himself bound by what he had said, he both
provided the diety a good supper, and giving money to Larentia, then
in her beauty, though not publicly known, gave her a feast in the
temple, where he had also laid a bed, and after supper locked her in,
as if the god were really to come to her. And indeed, it is said, the
deity did truly visit her, and commanded her in the morning to walk to
the marketplace, and, whatever man she met first, to salute him, and
make him her friend. She met one named Tarrutius, who was a man
advanced in years, fairly rich, without children, and had always lived
a single life. He received Larentia, and loved her well, and at his
death left her sole heir of all his large and fair possessions, most
of which she, in her last will and testament, bequeathed to the
people. It was reported of her, being now celebrated and esteemed the
mistress of a god, that she suddenly disappeared near the place where
the first Larentia lay buried; the spot is at this day called
Velabrum, because, the river frequently overflowing, they went over in
ferry-boats somewhere hereabouts to the forum, the Latin word for
ferrying being velatura. Others derive the name from velum, a sail;
because the exhibitors of public shows used to hang the road that
leads from the forum to the Circus Maximus with sails, beginning at
this spot. Upon these accounts the second Larentia is honoured at
Rome." - Plutarch, Lives, "Romulus"

"They record that there was another Larentia, Acca, the nurse of
Romulus, whom they honor in the month of April. But they say that the
surname of the courtesan Larentia was Fabula. She became famous for
the following reason: a certain keeper of the temple of Hercules
enjoyed, it seems, considerable leisure and had the habit of spending
the greater part of the day at draughts and dice; and one day, as it
chanced, there was present no one of those who were wont to play with
him and share the occasion of his leisure. So, in his boredom, he
challenged the god to throw dice with him on fixed terms, as it were:
if he should win, he was to obtain some service from the god; but if
he should lose, he was to furnish a supper for the god at his own
expense and provide a comely girl to spend the night with him.
Thereupon he brought out the dice, and threw once for himself and once
for the god, and lost. Abiding, therefore, by the terms of his
challenge he prepared a somewhat sumptuous repast for the god and
fetched Larentia, who openly practised the profession of courtesan. He
feasted her, put her to bed in the temple, and, when he departed,
locked the doors. The tale is told that the god visited her in the
night, not in mortal wise, and bade her on the morrow go into the
forum, band pay particular attention to the first man she met, and
make him her friend. Larentia arose, therefore, and, going forth, met
one of the wealthy men that were unwed and past their prime, whose
name was Tarrutius. With this man she became acquainted, and while he
lived she presided over his household, and when he died, she inherited
his estate; and later, when she herself p63died, she left her property
to the State; and for that reason she has these honours." - Plutarch,
"Roman Questions" 35

"Now should I forget you, Larentia, nurse of such a nation,
Nor, poor Faustulus, the help that you gave.
I'll honour you when I speak of the Larentalia,
And the month approved of by the guardian spirits." - Ovid, Fasti III.55ff


Today is the celebration of the Larentalia, in honor of the goddes
Acca Larentia. Acca is an obscure Latin word: in Greek akko means a
"ridiculous woman" or "bogey"; in Sanskrit akka means "mother."
Therefore Acca Larentia seems to be the Mater Larum (Mother of the
Lares), who is also called Lara, Larunda, Larentina and Mania.

Larentia was said to be the wife of the shepherd Faustulus (perhaps
Faunus), who found Romulus and Remus (who became the Lares of Rome)
when they were being suckled by the she-wolf, and that Larentia became
their foster-mother. Others say that Larentia herself was the she-wolf
(lupa), and that's why she is celebrated as a prostitute (lupa). In
any case, in this festival She is given parental rites (Parentalia) as
the mother of the divine ancestors. According to another account,
Larentia was a beautiful girl, whom Hercules won in a game of dice.
The god advised her to marry the first man she met in the street, who
proved to be a wealthy Etruscan named Tarutius. She inherited all his
property and bequeathed it to the Roman people.


Today is also the final day of the Saturnalia.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82609 From: Q. Fabius Maximus Date: 2010-12-23
Subject: Re: Good evening!!!
These were the original Patrician Gens, of course some of them were one person gens that became extinct when the "paterfamilias" resigned. They were replaced as time went along. Thus we now have Africana Secunda, Annaea, Antonia, Fabia, Grylla, Minucia, Nigra, Tullia, Ulleria as Patrician Gens."



Salvete


You forgot the Corneli, Iunui and the Iuli. I think all the "famous families" founding PFs should all be in the first and second centuries as long as they are members of Nova Roma.
Valete
QFM
.







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82610 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: a.d. IX Kal. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem IX Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"This city, mistress of the whole earth and sea, which the Romans now
inhabit, is said to have had as its earliest occupants the barbarian
Sicels, a native race. As to the condition of the place before their
time, whether it was occupied by others or uninhabited, one can
certainly say. But some time later the Aborigines gained possession of
it, having taken it from the occupants after a long war. These people
had previously lived on the mountains in unwalled villages and
scattered groups; but when the Pelasgians, with whom some other Greeks
had united, assisted them in the war against their neighbours, they
drove the Sicels out of this place, walled in many towns, and
contrived to subjugate all the country that lies between the two
rivers, the Liris and the Tiber. These rivers spring from the foot of
the Apennine mountains, the range by which all Italy is divided into
two parts throughout its length, and at points about eight hundred
stades from one another discharge themselves into the Tyrrhenian Sea,
the Tiber to the north, near the city of Ostia, and the Liris to the
south, as it flows by Minturnae, both these cities being Roman
colonies. And these people remained in this same place of abode, both
never afterwards driven out by any others; but, although they
continued to be one and the same people, their name was twice changed.
Till the time of the Trojan war they preserved their ancient name of
Aborigines; but under lalus, their king, who reigned at the time of
that war, they began to be called Latins, and when Romulus founded the
city named after himself sixteen generations after the taking of Troy,
they took the name which they now bear. And in the course of time they
contrived to raise themselves from the smallest nation to the greatest
and from the most obscure to the most illustrious, not only by their
humane reception of those who sought a home among them, but also by
sharing the rights of citizenship with all who had been conquered by
them in war after a brave resistance, by permitting all the slaves,
too, who were manumitted among them to become citizens, and by
disdaining no condition of men from whom the commonwealth might reap
an advantage, but above everything else by their form of government,
which they fashioned out of their many experiences, always extracting
something useful from every occasion.

There are some who affirm that the Aborigines, from whom the Romans
are originally descended, were natives of Italy, a stock which came
into being spontaneously (I call Italy all that peninsula which is
bounded by the Ionian Gulf and the Tyrrhenian Sea and, thirdly, by the
Alps on the landward side); and these authors say that they were first
called Aborigines because they were the founders of the families of
their descendants, or, as we should call them, genearchai or
protogonoi. Others claim that certain vagabonds without house or
home, coming together out of many places, met one another there by
chance and took up their abode in the fastnesses, living by robbery
and grazing their herds. And these writers change their name, also, to
one more suitable to their condition, calling them Aberrigenes, to
show that they were wanderers; indeed, according to these, the race of
the Aborigines would seem to be no different from those the ancients
called Leleges; for this is the name they generally gave to the
homeless and mixed peoples who had no fixed abode which they could
call their country. Still others have a story to the effect that they
were colonists sent out by those Ligurians who are neighbours of the
Umbrians. For the Ligurians inhabit not only many parts of Italy but
some parts of Gaul as well, but which of these lands is their native
country is not known, since nothing certain is said of them further."
- Dionysis of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities", 1.9-10


Today is celebrated by most Christians as the Eve of the Nativity of
Jesus Christ, probably (if a little confusingly) around 4 B.C.

"Et ibant omnes, ut profiterentur, singuli in suam civitatem. Ascendit
autem et Ioseph a Galilaea de civitate Nazareth in Iudaeam in
civitatem David, quae vocatur Bethlehem, eo quod esset de domo et
familia David, ut profiteretur cum Maria desponsata sibi, uxore
praegnante. Factum est autem, cum essent ibi, impleti sunt dies, ut
pareret, et peperit filium suum primogenitum; et pannis eum involvit
et reclinavit eum in praesepio, quia non erat eis locus in deversorio."


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82611 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: The Comitia Curiata is called to assemble.
T. Iulius Sabinus Pontifex Maximus Lictoribus omnibus s.p.d:

The Comitia Curiata is called to assemble starting with a.d. VII Kal Ian (dies comitialis), (Sunday 26 Dec.), for all lictores to witness the results of the elections of curule magistrates held in the Comitia Centuriata and Comitia Populi Tributa and new priesthood appointments.

Auspices were taken by the augur K. Fabius Buteo Modianus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82612 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
Consul Albucius omnibus s.d.

For the ones among us who celebrate Christmas, be this event the best one for you and your family !

Valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
cos.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82613 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
Salvete omnes

The citizens of Britannia send greetings and good wishes to their fellow citizens throughout the Republic.

May you all have peace and joy on this special night, and throughout the holidays.

I send my own special greeting to all my many friends. You and your families are all in my thoughts.

May the gods bless you all.

Valete optime
Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82614 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Best wishes!
Salvete!

I would like to take this opportunity to wish those who celebrate the
Holiday a very merry Christmas, with all the trimmings!

Valete bene,
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82615 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
Salvete Quirites!

For those who are still in the "eve:"
Felice Vigiliae Dies Natalis Solis Invicti! Merry Christmas Eve!

Valete,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS" <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes
>
> The citizens of Britannia send greetings and good wishes to their fellow citizens throughout the Republic.
>
> May you all have peace and joy on this special night, and throughout the holidays.
>
> I send my own special greeting to all my many friends. You and your families are all in my thoughts.
>
> May the gods bless you all.
>
> Valete optime
> Crispus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82616 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Best wishes!
Ave Maria,

Bona Vigiliae Dies Natalis Solis Invicti! Merry Christmas Eve!

Vale optime!

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete!
>
> I would like to take this opportunity to wish those who celebrate the
> Holiday a very merry Christmas, with all the trimmings!
>
> Valete bene,
> C. Maria Caeca
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82617 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
SALVETE!
 
The citizens of Dacia send greetings and good wishes to their fellow citizens throughout the Republic.
 
We wish you great and joyful holidays! Happiness and prosperity in the future!
 
Gods bless you all!
 
VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus
Proconsul Daciae. 
 
"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

--- On Fri, 12/24/10, GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:


From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS <jbshr1pwa@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 9:52 PM


 



Salvete omnes

The citizens of Britannia send greetings and good wishes to their fellow citizens throughout the Republic.

May you all have peace and joy on this special night, and throughout the holidays.

I send my own special greeting to all my many friends. You and your families are all in my thoughts.

May the gods bless you all.

Valete optime
Crispus











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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82618 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica T. Julio Sabino C. Marcio Crispo C. Mariae Caecae L.
> Juliae Aquilae aliisque quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> SALVETE!
>  
> The citizens of Dacia send greetings and good wishes to their fellow citizens
> throughout the Republic.
>  
> We wish you great and joyful holidays! Happiness and prosperity in the future!
>
> ATS: Gratias quam plurimas! The same to all Roman citizens who observe
> the Christmas holiday, and a happy Dies Solis Invicti to all cultores deorum
> Romanorum!
>  
> Gods bless you all!
>
> Et te benedicat!
>  
> VALETE,
> T. Iulius Sabinus
> Proconsul Daciae. 
>  
> "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius
>
> --- On Fri, 12/24/10, GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS <jbshr1pwa@...
> <mailto:jbshr1pwa%40btinternet.com> > wrote:
>
> From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS <jbshr1pwa@...
> <mailto:jbshr1pwa%40btinternet.com> >
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 9:52 PM
>
>  
>
> Salvete omnes
>
> The citizens of Britannia send greetings and good wishes to their fellow
> citizens throughout the Republic.
>
> May you all have peace and joy on this special night, and throughout the
> holidays.
>
> I send my own special greeting to all my many friends. You and your families
> are all in my thoughts.
>
> May the gods bless you all.
>
> Valete optime
> Crispus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82619 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Best wishes!
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Although the first reference to "Sol Invictus" is found in AD 158 (Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum VI.715), the Philocalian calendar of AD 354 gives a festival of "Natalis Invicti" on 25 December, there is no evidence that this festival was celebrated before the mid 4th century AD. The Philocalian calendar also contains the first reference to December 25 being celebrated as the Nativity of Christ.

Nonetheless, as this time frame falls within that established for our Respublica, I wish all cultores Deorum a blessed, peaceful, and merry celebration!

Valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Maria,
>
> Bona Vigiliae Dies Natalis Solis Invicti! Merry Christmas Eve!
>
> Vale optime!
>
> Julia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82620 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Happy Dies Solis Invicti , Merry Xmas, Blessed Yule, Feliz Navidad et Joyeux
Noel to all who are celebrating!

May it be filled with gingerbread, chocolate, and lots of loot for all.

For those like me stuck in gift wrapping land, don't worry there is an end
to it somewhere there is a light in the tunnel :-)

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

>
> I send my own special greeting to all my many friends. You and your
> families are all in my thoughts.
>
> May the gods bless you all.
>
> Valete optime
> Crispus
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82621 From: Q. Fabius Maximus Date: 2010-12-24
Subject: Merry Christmas 2763 AUC
Q Fabius Maximus PROCOS CAL



Salvete omnes

The citizens of the province of California send their greetings and with good wishes to citizens throughout this Republic.

May you all have joy on this special night, as well as throughout the holidays.

I send my own special greeting to my many friends and clients As always you are in my thoughts and prayers.
The Gods hold you all!
Merry Christmas

Valete optime









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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82622 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: a.d. VIII Kal. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodie est ante diem VIII Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"But the most learned of the Roman historians, among whom is Porcius
Cato, who compiled with the greatest care the "origins" of the Italian
cities, Gaius Sempronius and a great many others, say that they were
Greeks, part of those who once dwelt in Achaia, and that they migrated
many generations before the Trojan war. But they do not go on to
indicate either the Greek tribe to which they belonged or the city
from which they removed, or the date or the leader of the colony, or
as the result of what turns of fortune they left their mother country;
and although they are following a Greek legend, they have cited no
Greek historian as their authority. It is uncertain, therefore, what
the truth of the matter is. But if what they say is true, the
Aborigines can be a colony of no other people but of those who are now
called Arcadians; for these were the first of all the Greeks to cross
the Ionian Gulf, under the leadership of Oenotrus, the son of Lycaon,
and to settle in Italy. This Oenotrus was the fifth from Aezeius and
Phoroneus, who were the first kings in the Peloponnesus. For Niobe was
the daughter of Phoroneus, and Pelasgus was the son of Niobe and Zeus,
it is said; Lycaon was to Aezeius and Deianira was the daughter of
Lycaon; Deianira and Pelasgus were the parents of another Lycaon,
whose son Oenotrus was born seventeen generations before the Trojan
expedition. This, then, was the time when the Greeks sent the colony
into Italy. Oenotrus left Greece because he was dissatisfied with his
portion of his father's land; for, as Lycaon had twenty-two sons, it
was necessary to divide Arcadia into as many shares. For this reason
Oenotrus left the Peloponnesus, prepared a fleet, and crossed the
Ionian Gulf with Peucetius, one of his brothers. The were accompanied
by many of their own people — for this nation is said to have been
very populous in early times — and by as many other Greeks as had less
land than was sufficient for them. Peucetius landed his people above
the Iapygian Promontory, which was the first part of Italy they made,
and settled there; and from him the inhabitants of this region were
called Peucetians. But Oenotrus with the greater part of the
expedition came into the other sea that washes the western regions
along the coast of Italy; it was then called the Ausonian Sea, are the
Ausonians who dwelt beside it, but after the Tyrrhenians became
masters at sea its name was changed to that which it now bears.

And finding there much land suitable for pasturage and much for
tillage, but for the most part unoccupied, and even that which was
inhabited not thickly populated, he cleared some of it of the
barbarians and built small towns contiguous to one another on the
mountains, which was the customary manner of habitation in use among
the ancients. And all the land he occupied, which was very extensive,
was called Oenotria, and all the people under his command Oenotrians,
which was the third name they had borne. For in the reign of Aezeius
they were called Aezeians, when Lycaon succeeded to the rule,
Lycaonians, and after Oenotrus led them into Italy they were for a
while called Oenotrians. What I say is supported by the testimony of
Sophocles, the tragic poet, in his drama entitled Triptolemus; for he
there represents Demeter as informing Triptolemus how large a tract of
land he would have to travel over while sowing it with the seeds she
had given him. For, after first referring to the eastern part of
Italy, which reaches from the Iapygian Promontory to the Sicilian
Strait, and then touching upon Sicily on the opposite side, she
returns again to the western part of Italy and enumerates the most
important nations that inhabit this coast, beginning with the
settlement of the Oenotrians. But it is enough to quote merely the
iambics in which he says:

'And after this, — first, then, upon the right,
Oenotria wide-outstretched and Tyrrhene Gulf,
And next the Ligurian land shall welcome thee.'

And Antiochus of Syracuse, a very early historian, in his account of
the settlement of Italy, when enumerating the most ancient inhabitants
in the order in which each of them held possession of any part of it,
says that first who are reported to have inhabited that country are
the Oenotrians. his words are these: "Antiochus, the son of
Xenophanes, wrote this account of Italy, which comprises all that is
most credible and certain out of the ancient tales; this country,
which is now called Italy, was formerly possessed by the Oenotrians."
Then he relates in what manner they were governed and says that in the
course of time Italus came to be their king, after whom they were
named Italians; that this man was succeeded by Morges, after whom they
were called Morgetes, and that Sicelus, being received as a guest by
Morges and setting up a kingdom for himself, divided the nation. After
which he adds these words: 'Thus those who had been Oenotrians became
Sicels, Morgetes and Italians.'" - Dionysis of Halicarnassus, "Roman
Antiquities" 1.11-12

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82623 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Diem Natalem Christi
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Today for Christians is the Feast of the Nativity of the Christ. May all our citizens who celebrate it enjoy a glorious and blessed day!

"In principio erat Verbum et Verbum erat apud Deum et Deus erat
Verbum. Hoc erat in principio apud Deum, omnia per ipsum facta sunt
et sine ipso factum est nihil quod factum est. In ipso vita erat et
vita erat lux hominum, et lux in tenebris lucet et tenebrae eam non
comprehenderunt...et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis et
vidimus gloriam eius gloriam quasi unigeniti a Patre plenum gratiae et
veritatis." - Evangelium Dominum nostrum Iesum Christum secundum
Iohannem 1.1-5, 14

"Actum est autem cum essent ibi impleti sunt dies ut pareret et
peperit filium suum primogenitum et pannis eum involvit et reclinavit
eum in praesepio quia non erat eis locus in diversorio. Et pastores
erant in regione eadem vigilantes et custodientes vigilias noctis
supra gregem suum. Et ecce angelus Domini stetit iuxta illos et
claritas Dei circumfulsit illos et timuerunt timore magno. Et dixit
illis angelus nolite timere ecce enim evangelizo vobis gaudium magnum
quod erit omni populo: quia natus est vobis hodie salvator qui est
Christus Dominus in civitate David. Et hoc vobis signum invenietis
infantem pannis involutum et positum in praesepio." - Evangelium
Dominum nostrum Iesum Christum secundum Luccam 2.6-12

Valete bene et felicam diem natalem Christi!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82624 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Seasons greetings from Canada Ulterior
Caesar sal.

As governor of Canada Ulterior and on behalf of all of our citizens here in the frozen north, to all citizens of the res publica, of all faiths (or none ;) ) I wish you and your families a very happy and safe holiday.

For our Christian citizens, Merry Christmas!

Optime valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82625 From: Francesc Garcia Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Re: Best wishes!
SALVETE!
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
FELIZ NAVIDAD!
BON NADAL!
VALETE BENE,
P. CORNELIUS OPTATUS
From: C.Maria Caeca
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 9:15 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com ; Matronae_Novae_Romae@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Best wishes!


Salvete!

I would like to take this opportunity to wish those who celebrate the
Holiday a very merry Christmas, with all the trimmings!

Valete bene,
C. Maria Caeca





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82626 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Re: Best wishes!
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica P. Cornelio Optato quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> SALVETE!
> MERRY CHRISTMAS!
> FELIZ NAVIDAD!
> BON NADAL!
>
> ATS: And let me add Joyeux Noël et une bonne année, und Froehliche
> Weihnachten! Of course we must also add: Felicem faustum bonum Diem Natalis
> Christi! Methinks there is also Buon Natale, or something along those
> lines...Cato will have to add the Greek (modern, anyway).
>
>
> VALETE BENE,
> P. CORNELIUS OPTATUS
>
> Vale, et valete!
>
>
> From: C.Maria Caeca
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 9:15 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ;
> Matronae_Novae_Romae@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Matronae_Novae_Romae%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Best wishes!
>
> Salvete!
>
> I would like to take this opportunity to wish those who celebrate the
> Holiday a very merry Christmas, with all the trimmings!
>
> Valete bene,
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82627 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Dies Natalis Sol Invictus; Natalis Mithrae.
T. Iulius Sabinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:

Hodie est a.d. VIII Kalendas Ianuarias.
Haec dies comitialis est: Natalis Solis Invicti; Natalis Mithrae.

I wish all of you a great Dies Natalis Solis Invicti!

Sol Invictus was the official sun god of the later Roman Empire. The cult was created by emperor Aurelian, who made it an official cult alongside the traditional Roman cults.
After his victories in the East, the emperor Aurelian thoroughly reformed the Roman cult of Sol, elevating the sun-god to one of the premier divinities of the empire. Where previously a priests of Sol had been simply sacerdotes and tended to belong to lower ranks of Roman society they were now pontifices and members of the new college of pontifices instituted by Aurelian. Every pontifex of Sol was a member of the senatorial elite, indicating that the priesthood of Sol was now highly prestigious.

"When Aurelian's horsemen, now exhausted, were on the point of breaking their ranks and turning their backs, suddenly by the power of a supernatural agency, as was afterwards made known, a divine form spread encouragement throughout the foot-soldiers and rallied even the horsemen. Zenobia and Zaba were put to flight, and a victory was won in full. And so, having reduced the East to its former state, Aurelian entered Emesa as a conqueror, and at once made his way to the Temple of Elagabalus, to pay his vows as if by a duty common to all. But there he beheld that same divine form which he had seen supporting his cause in the battle. Wherefore he not only established temples there, dedicating gifts of great value, but he also built a temple to the Sun at Rome, which he consecrated with still greater pomp, as we shall relate in the proper place."
(Historia Augusta, The life of Aurelian, part II, 25.3)

"He (n.b. emperor Aurelian) set the priesthoods in order, he constructed the Temple of the Sun, and he founded its college of pontiffs; and he also allotted funds for making repairs and paying attendants."
(Historia Augusta, The life of Aurelian, part II, 35.3)

Mithras became popular as a god of soldiers in the Roman Empire beginning in the first and second centuries AD. He was regarded as a god of loyalty and truth, and of the struggle against evil. The cult of Mithraism excluded women, and its rites were conducted in underground temples known as mithraea. The central rite involved the ritual slaughter of a bull, symbolizing the regeneration of life and the world.

"Hence through the dark union of matter, the world is obscure and dark, but from the presence and supervening ornaments of form (from which it derives its name) it is beautiful and pleasant. The world therefore may with great propriety be called a cave; agreeable indeed, at its first entrance, on account of its participation of form, but involved in the deepest obscurity to the intellectual eye which endeavors to discern its dark foundation. So that it exterior and superficial parts are pleasant, but it interior and profound parts obscure: and its very bottom is darkness itself. After the same manner the Persians, mystically signifying the descent of the soul into an inferior nature and its ascent into the intelligible world, initiate the priest or mystic in a place which they denominate a cave. For according to Eubulus, Zoroaster first of all among the neighboring mountains of Persia, consecrated a natural cave, florid and watered with fountains, in honor of Mithras the father of all things: a cave in the opinion of Zoroaster bearing a resemblance of the world fabricated by Mithras. But the things contained in the cavern, being disposed by certain intervals, according to symmetry and order, were symbols of the elements and climates of the world."
(Porphyry, De Antro Nympharum, 6)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82628 From: Lucius Quirinus Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Dies Natalis Sol Invictus; Natalis Mithrae.
SALVE SABINUS
 
I warmly reciprocate my best wishes for a great Dies Natalis Solis Invicti to all of you in DACIA.
 
OPTIME VALETE IN GRATIA DEORVM.
 
LVCIVS QVIRINVS VESTA
 
 


--- Sab 25/12/10, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> ha scritto:


Da: Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Dies Natalis Sol Invictus; Natalis Mithrae.
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Sabato 25 dicembre 2010, 12:38


 



T. Iulius Sabinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:

Hodie est a.d. VIII Kalendas Ianuarias.
Haec dies comitialis est: Natalis Solis Invicti; Natalis Mithrae.

I wish all of you a great Dies Natalis Solis Invicti!

Sol Invictus was the official sun god of the later Roman Empire. The cult was created by emperor Aurelian, who made it an official cult alongside the traditional Roman cults.
After his victories in the East, the emperor Aurelian thoroughly reformed the Roman cult of Sol, elevating the sun-god to one of the premier divinities of the empire. Where previously a priests of Sol had been simply sacerdotes and tended to belong to lower ranks of Roman society they were now pontifices and members of the new college of pontifices instituted by Aurelian. Every pontifex of Sol was a member of the senatorial elite, indicating that the priesthood of Sol was now highly prestigious.

"When Aurelian's horsemen, now exhausted, were on the point of breaking their ranks and turning their backs, suddenly by the power of a supernatural agency, as was afterwards made known, a divine form spread encouragement throughout the foot-soldiers and rallied even the horsemen. Zenobia and Zaba were put to flight, and a victory was won in full. And so, having reduced the East to its former state, Aurelian entered Emesa as a conqueror, and at once made his way to the Temple of Elagabalus, to pay his vows as if by a duty common to all. But there he beheld that same divine form which he had seen supporting his cause in the battle. Wherefore he not only established temples there, dedicating gifts of great value, but he also built a temple to the Sun at Rome, which he consecrated with still greater pomp, as we shall relate in the proper place."
(Historia Augusta, The life of Aurelian, part II, 25.3)

"He (n.b. emperor Aurelian) set the priesthoods in order, he constructed the Temple of the Sun, and he founded its college of pontiffs; and he also allotted funds for making repairs and paying attendants."
(Historia Augusta, The life of Aurelian, part II, 35.3)

Mithras became popular as a god of soldiers in the Roman Empire beginning in the first and second centuries AD. He was regarded as a god of loyalty and truth, and of the struggle against evil. The cult of Mithraism excluded women, and its rites were conducted in underground temples known as mithraea. The central rite involved the ritual slaughter of a bull, symbolizing the regeneration of life and the world.

"Hence through the dark union of matter, the world is obscure and dark, but from the presence and supervening ornaments of form (from which it derives its name) it is beautiful and pleasant. The world therefore may with great propriety be called a cave; agreeable indeed, at its first entrance, on account of its participation of form, but involved in the deepest obscurity to the intellectual eye which endeavors to discern its dark foundation. So that it exterior and superficial parts are pleasant, but it interior and profound parts obscure: and its very bottom is darkness itself. After the same manner the Persians, mystically signifying the descent of the soul into an inferior nature and its ascent into the intelligible world, initiate the priest or mystic in a place which they denominate a cave. For according to Eubulus, Zoroaster first of all among the neighboring mountains of Persia, consecrated a natural cave, florid and watered with fountains, in
honor of Mithras the father of all things: a cave in the opinion of Zoroaster bearing a resemblance of the world fabricated by Mithras. But the things contained in the cavern, being disposed by certain intervals, according to symmetry and order, were symbols of the elements and climates of the world."
(Porphyry, De Antro Nympharum, 6)











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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82629 From: Lucius Quirinus Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: MERRY DIES NATALIS SOLI INVICTI //Merry Christmas 2763 !!
SALVETE OMNES
 
MERRY DIES NATALIS SOLI  INVICTI  AND BEST WISHES FOR A PROSPEROVS YEAR 2764 A.U.C. TO ALL  CITIZENS OF THE ROMAN REPVBLIC.
 
MAY ALL OUR GODS HELP RESTORE THE GLORY OF OUR CIVILIZATION AND THE TRADITION OF OUR PATRES' CULTS.
 
BENE VALETE IN GRATIA DEORVM.
 
LVCIVS QVIRINVS VESTA
 


--- Ven 24/12/10, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> ha scritto:


Da: iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>
Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Venerdì 24 dicembre 2010, 23:08


 



SALVETE!
 
The citizens of Dacia send greetings and good wishes to their fellow citizens throughout the Republic.
 
We wish you great and joyful holidays! Happiness and prosperity in the future!
 
Gods bless you all!
 
VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus
Proconsul Daciae. 
 
"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

--- On Fri, 12/24/10, GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:

From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS <jbshr1pwa@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Merry Christmas 2763 !!
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 9:52 PM

 

Salvete omnes

The citizens of Britannia send greetings and good wishes to their fellow citizens throughout the Republic.

May you all have peace and joy on this special night, and throughout the holidays.

I send my own special greeting to all my many friends. You and your families are all in my thoughts.

May the gods bless you all.

Valete optime
Crispus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82630 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Dies Natalis Sol Invictus; Natalis Mithrae.
SALVE!

Thank you very much my dear friend Vesta. The same good wishes to our Italian co-fellows and to you and your wonderful family.
I can not wait the days when we will meet again!

VALE,
Sabinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Quirinus <ostiaaterni@...> wrote:
>
> SALVE SABINUS
>  
> I warmly reciprocate my best wishes for a great Dies Natalis Solis Invicti to all of you in DACIA.
>  
> OPTIME VALETE IN GRATIA DEORVM.
>  
> LVCIVS QVIRINVS VESTA
>  
>  
>
>
> --- Sab 25/12/10, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> ha scritto:
>
>
> Da: Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>
> Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Dies Natalis Sol Invictus; Natalis Mithrae.
> A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Data: Sabato 25 dicembre 2010, 12:38
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> T. Iulius Sabinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:
>
> Hodie est a.d. VIII Kalendas Ianuarias.
> Haec dies comitialis est: Natalis Solis Invicti; Natalis Mithrae.
>
> I wish all of you a great Dies Natalis Solis Invicti!
>
> Sol Invictus was the official sun god of the later Roman Empire. The cult was created by emperor Aurelian, who made it an official cult alongside the traditional Roman cults.
> After his victories in the East, the emperor Aurelian thoroughly reformed the Roman cult of Sol, elevating the sun-god to one of the premier divinities of the empire. Where previously a priests of Sol had been simply sacerdotes and tended to belong to lower ranks of Roman society they were now pontifices and members of the new college of pontifices instituted by Aurelian. Every pontifex of Sol was a member of the senatorial elite, indicating that the priesthood of Sol was now highly prestigious.
>
> "When Aurelian's horsemen, now exhausted, were on the point of breaking their ranks and turning their backs, suddenly by the power of a supernatural agency, as was afterwards made known, a divine form spread encouragement throughout the foot-soldiers and rallied even the horsemen. Zenobia and Zaba were put to flight, and a victory was won in full. And so, having reduced the East to its former state, Aurelian entered Emesa as a conqueror, and at once made his way to the Temple of Elagabalus, to pay his vows as if by a duty common to all. But there he beheld that same divine form which he had seen supporting his cause in the battle. Wherefore he not only established temples there, dedicating gifts of great value, but he also built a temple to the Sun at Rome, which he consecrated with still greater pomp, as we shall relate in the proper place."
> (Historia Augusta, The life of Aurelian, part II, 25.3)
>
> "He (n.b. emperor Aurelian) set the priesthoods in order, he constructed the Temple of the Sun, and he founded its college of pontiffs; and he also allotted funds for making repairs and paying attendants."
> (Historia Augusta, The life of Aurelian, part II, 35.3)
>
> Mithras became popular as a god of soldiers in the Roman Empire beginning in the first and second centuries AD. He was regarded as a god of loyalty and truth, and of the struggle against evil. The cult of Mithraism excluded women, and its rites were conducted in underground temples known as mithraea. The central rite involved the ritual slaughter of a bull, symbolizing the regeneration of life and the world.
>
> "Hence through the dark union of matter, the world is obscure and dark, but from the presence and supervening ornaments of form (from which it derives its name) it is beautiful and pleasant. The world therefore may with great propriety be called a cave; agreeable indeed, at its first entrance, on account of its participation of form, but involved in the deepest obscurity to the intellectual eye which endeavors to discern its dark foundation. So that it exterior and superficial parts are pleasant, but it interior and profound parts obscure: and its very bottom is darkness itself. After the same manner the Persians, mystically signifying the descent of the soul into an inferior nature and its ascent into the intelligible world, initiate the priest or mystic in a place which they denominate a cave. For according to Eubulus, Zoroaster first of all among the neighboring mountains of Persia, consecrated a natural cave, florid and watered with fountains, in
> honor of Mithras the father of all things: a cave in the opinion of Zoroaster bearing a resemblance of the world fabricated by Mithras. But the things contained in the cavern, being disposed by certain intervals, according to symmetry and order, were symbols of the elements and climates of the world."
> (Porphyry, De Antro Nympharum, 6)
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82631 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Natalis Solis Invicti; Natalis Mithrae; Natalis Christi
Cn. Lentulus pontifex Quiritibus s. p. d.

Io Saturnalia!

I wish my fellow citizens a merry, blessed Natalis Solis Invicti, the Birthday of the Sun Invincible! This Festivity closes the Saturnalia! Io Saturnalia!

I also wish a joyous Natalis Mithrae to my Mithraist fellow citizens, and a Merry Christmas to my Roman Christian fellow citizens!

CN LENTULUS PONTIFEX
Sacerdos Concordiae



--- Sab 25/12/10, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> ha scritto:

Da: Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Dies Natalis Sol Invictus; Natalis Mithrae.
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Sabato 25 dicembre 2010, 12:38







 









T. Iulius Sabinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:



Hodie est a.d. VIII Kalendas Ianuarias.

Haec dies comitialis est: Natalis Solis Invicti; Natalis Mithrae.



I wish all of you a great Dies Natalis Solis Invicti!



Sol Invictus was the official sun god of the later Roman Empire. The cult was created by emperor Aurelian, who made it an official cult alongside the traditional Roman cults.

After his victories in the East, the emperor Aurelian thoroughly reformed the Roman cult of Sol, elevating the sun-god to one of the premier divinities of the empire. Where previously a priests of Sol had been simply sacerdotes and tended to belong to lower ranks of Roman society they were now pontifices and members of the new college of pontifices instituted by Aurelian. Every pontifex of Sol was a member of the senatorial elite, indicating that the priesthood of Sol was now highly prestigious.



"When Aurelian's horsemen, now exhausted, were on the point of breaking their ranks and turning their backs, suddenly by the power of a supernatural agency, as was afterwards made known, a divine form spread encouragement throughout the foot-soldiers and rallied even the horsemen. Zenobia and Zaba were put to flight, and a victory was won in full. And so, having reduced the East to its former state, Aurelian entered Emesa as a conqueror, and at once made his way to the Temple of Elagabalus, to pay his vows as if by a duty common to all. But there he beheld that same divine form which he had seen supporting his cause in the battle. Wherefore he not only established temples there, dedicating gifts of great value, but he also built a temple to the Sun at Rome, which he consecrated with still greater pomp, as we shall relate in the proper place."

(Historia Augusta, The life of Aurelian, part II, 25.3)



"He (n.b. emperor Aurelian) set the priesthoods in order, he constructed the Temple of the Sun, and he founded its college of pontiffs; and he also allotted funds for making repairs and paying attendants."

(Historia Augusta, The life of Aurelian, part II, 35.3)



Mithras became popular as a god of soldiers in the Roman Empire beginning in the first and second centuries AD. He was regarded as a god of loyalty and truth, and of the struggle against evil. The cult of Mithraism excluded women, and its rites were conducted in underground temples known as mithraea. The central rite involved the ritual slaughter of a bull, symbolizing the regeneration of life and the world.



"Hence through the dark union of matter, the world is obscure and dark, but from the presence and supervening ornaments of form (from which it derives its name) it is beautiful and pleasant. The world therefore may with great propriety be called a cave; agreeable indeed, at its first entrance, on account of its participation of form, but involved in the deepest obscurity to the intellectual eye which endeavors to discern its dark foundation. So that it exterior and superficial parts are pleasant, but it interior and profound parts obscure: and its very bottom is darkness itself. After the same manner the Persians, mystically signifying the descent of the soul into an inferior nature and its ascent into the intelligible world, initiate the priest or mystic in a place which they denominate a cave. For according to Eubulus, Zoroaster first of all among the neighboring mountains of Persia, consecrated a natural cave, florid and watered with fountains, in
honor of Mithras the father of all things: a cave in the opinion of Zoroaster bearing a resemblance of the world fabricated by Mithras. But the things contained in the cavern, being disposed by certain intervals, according to symmetry and order, were symbols of the elements and climates of the world."

(Porphyry, De Antro Nympharum, 6)

























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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82632 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Re: Natalis Solis Invicti; Natalis Mithrae; Natalis Christi
Ave!

I hope everyone has very best of holiday experiences and that there are
wonderful times with friends, family and experiences that you will treasure
for the rest of your lives! And, it is my hope that next year brings all of
us the best of times and even better times!

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <
cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

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> Cn. Lentulus pontifex Quiritibus s. p. d.
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> Io Saturnalia!
>
> I wish my fellow citizens a merry, blessed Natalis Solis Invicti, the
> Birthday of the Sun Invincible! This Festivity closes the Saturnalia! Io
> Saturnalia!
>
> I also wish a joyous Natalis Mithrae to my Mithraist fellow citizens, and a
> Merry Christmas to my Roman Christian fellow citizens!
>
> CN LENTULUS PONTIFEX
> Sacerdos Concordiae
>
> --- Sab 25/12/10, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...<iulius_sabinus%40yahoo.com>>
> ha scritto:
>
> Da: Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@... <iulius_sabinus%40yahoo.com>>
> Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Dies Natalis Sol Invictus; Natalis Mithrae.
> A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Data: Sabato 25 dicembre 2010, 12:38
>
>
>
> T. Iulius Sabinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:
>
> Hodie est a.d. VIII Kalendas Ianuarias.
>
> Haec dies comitialis est: Natalis Solis Invicti; Natalis Mithrae.
>
> I wish all of you a great Dies Natalis Solis Invicti!
>
> Sol Invictus was the official sun god of the later Roman Empire. The cult
> was created by emperor Aurelian, who made it an official cult alongside the
> traditional Roman cults.
>
> After his victories in the East, the emperor Aurelian thoroughly reformed
> the Roman cult of Sol, elevating the sun-god to one of the premier
> divinities of the empire. Where previously a priests of Sol had been simply
> sacerdotes and tended to belong to lower ranks of Roman society they were
> now pontifices and members of the new college of pontifices instituted by
> Aurelian. Every pontifex of Sol was a member of the senatorial elite,
> indicating that the priesthood of Sol was now highly prestigious.
>
> "When Aurelian's horsemen, now exhausted, were on the point of breaking
> their ranks and turning their backs, suddenly by the power of a supernatural
> agency, as was afterwards made known, a divine form spread encouragement
> throughout the foot-soldiers and rallied even the horsemen. Zenobia and Zaba
> were put to flight, and a victory was won in full. And so, having reduced
> the East to its former state, Aurelian entered Emesa as a conqueror, and at
> once made his way to the Temple of Elagabalus, to pay his vows as if by a
> duty common to all. But there he beheld that same divine form which he had
> seen supporting his cause in the battle. Wherefore he not only established
> temples there, dedicating gifts of great value, but he also built a temple
> to the Sun at Rome, which he consecrated with still greater pomp, as we
> shall relate in the proper place."
>
> (Historia Augusta, The life of Aurelian, part II, 25.3)
>
> "He (n.b. emperor Aurelian) set the priesthoods in order, he constructed
> the Temple of the Sun, and he founded its college of pontiffs; and he also
> allotted funds for making repairs and paying attendants."
>
> (Historia Augusta, The life of Aurelian, part II, 35.3)
>
> Mithras became popular as a god of soldiers in the Roman Empire beginning
> in the first and second centuries AD. He was regarded as a god of loyalty
> and truth, and of the struggle against evil. The cult of Mithraism excluded
> women, and its rites were conducted in underground temples known as
> mithraea. The central rite involved the ritual slaughter of a bull,
> symbolizing the regeneration of life and the world.
>
> "Hence through the dark union of matter, the world is obscure and dark, but
> from the presence and supervening ornaments of form (from which it derives
> its name) it is beautiful and pleasant. The world therefore may with great
> propriety be called a cave; agreeable indeed, at its first entrance, on
> account of its participation of form, but involved in the deepest obscurity
> to the intellectual eye which endeavors to discern its dark foundation. So
> that it exterior and superficial parts are pleasant, but it interior and
> profound parts obscure: and its very bottom is darkness itself. After the
> same manner the Persians, mystically signifying the descent of the soul into
> an inferior nature and its ascent into the intelligible world, initiate the
> priest or mystic in a place which they denominate a cave. For according to
> Eubulus, Zoroaster first of all among the neighboring mountains of Persia,
> consecrated a natural cave, florid and watered with fountains, in
> honor of Mithras the father of all things: a cave in the opinion of
> Zoroaster bearing a resemblance of the world fabricated by Mithras. But the
> things contained in the cavern, being disposed by certain intervals,
> according to symmetry and order, were symbols of the elements and climates
> of the world."
>
> (Porphyry, De Antro Nympharum, 6)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82633 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-25
Subject: Internet unable today...
Salvete;

Got reconnected for a few minutes, I think...am working on putting
home network back together. Back in full tomorrow.

--
In amicitia et fide
P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis et Poeta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82634 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: a.d. VII Kal. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem VII Kalendas Ianuarius; hic dies fastus est.

"There is another legend related by the inhabitants, to the effect
that before the reign of Jupiter Saturn was lord in this land and that
the celebrated manner of life in his reign, abounding in the produce
of every season, was enjoyed by none more than them. And, indeed, if
anyone, setting aside the fabulous part of this account, will examine
the merit of any country from which mankind received the greatest
enjoyments immediately after their birth, whether they sprang from the
earth, according to the ancient tradition, or came into being in some
other manner, he will find none more beneficent to them than this.
For, to compare one country with another of the same extent, Italy is,
in my opinion, the best country, not only of Europe, but even of all
the rest of the world. And yet I am not unaware that I shall not be
believed by many when they reflect on Egypt, Libya, Babylonia and any
other fertile countries there may be. But I, for my part, do not limit
the wealth derived from the soil to one sort of produce, nor do I feel
any eagerness to live where there are only rich arable lands and
little or nothing else that is useful; but I account that country the
best which is the most self-sufficient and generally stands least in
need of imported commodities. And I am persuaded that Italy enjoys
this universal fertility and diversity of advantages beyond any other
land.

For Italy does not, while possessing a great deal of good arable land,
lack trees, as does a grain-bearing country; nor, on the other hand,
while suitable for growing all manner of trees, does it, when sown to
grain, produce scanty crops, as does a timbered country; nor yet,
while yielding both grain and trees in abundance, is it unsuitable for
the grazing of cattle; nor can anyone say that, while it bears rich
produce of crops and timber and herds, it is nevertheless disagreeable
for men to live in. Nay, on the contrary, it abounds in practically
everything that affords either pleasure or profit. To what
grain-bearing country, indeed, watered, not with rivers, but with
rains from heaven, do the plains of Campania yield, in which I have
seen fields that produce even three crops in a year, summer's harvest
following upon that of when and autumn's upon that of summer? To what
olive orchards are those of the Messapians, the Daunians, the Sabines
and many others inferior? To what vineyards those of Tyrrhenia and the
Alban and the Falernian districts, where the soil is wonderfully kind
to vines and with the least labour produces the finest grapes in the
greatest abundance? And besides the land that is cultivated one will
find much that is left untilled as pasturage for sheep and goats, and
still more extensive and more wonderful is the land suitable for
grazing horses and cattle; for not only the marsh and meadow grass,
which is very plentiful, but the dewy and well-watered grass of the
glades, infinite in its abundance, furnish grazing for them in summer
as well as in winter and keep them always in good condition. section
4But most wonderful of all are the forests growing upon the rocky
heights, in the glens and on the uncultivated hills, from which the
inhabitants are abundantly supplied with fine timber suitable for the
building of ships as well as for all other purposes. nor are any of
these materials hard to come at or at a distance from human need, but
they are easy to handle and readily available, owing to the multitude
of rivers that flow through the whole peninsula and make the
transportation and exchange of everything the land produces
inexpensive. Springs also of hot water have been discovered in many
places, affording most pleasant baths and sovereign cures for chronic
ailments. There are also mines of all sorts, plenty of wild beasts for
hunting, and a great variety of sea fish, besides innumerable other
things, some useful and others of a nature to excite wonder. But the
finest thing of all is the climate, admirably tempered by the seasons,
so that less than elsewhere is harm done by excessive cold or
inordinate heat either to the growing fruits and grains or to the
bodies of animals." - Dionysis of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities"
1.36-37


In ancient Egypt, today was celebrated as the birthday of the god
Horus. Horus is the falcon-headed god, the son of the goddess Isis
and the god Osiris. Seth caused the death of his brother Osiris, the
first king of Egypt, and seized his throne. Isis retrieved the
fourteen pieces of her husband's body, reconstructed it, and hovered
over it in the form of a sparrowhawk, fanning enough life back into
him for her to conceive a son, Horus. She knew Seth would harm her
child, so she fled the Nile delta and gave birth to Horus at Chemmis
near Buto. With the assistance of other deities, such as the goddesses
Hathor and Selqet, Isis raised Horus until he was old enough to
challenge Seth and claim his royal inheritance.

Amun-Re, the sun god, invited Horus and Seth to put their cases before
the Ennead, a tribunal of the gods. Seth declared that he should be
king because only he was strong enough to defend the sun during its
nightly voyage through the underworld. Some deities accepted this
argument, but Isis persuaded them to change their minds. Seth refused
to proceed with Isis there, so he adjourned the tribunal to an island
to which Isis was refused access. However, the goddess bribed Nemty,
ferryman of the gods, to take her across. Then she tricked Seth into
agreeing that it was wrong for a son to have his inheritance stolen.
Seth complained about her trickery and the gods punished Nemty by
cutting off his toes. Further confrontations between Horus and Seth
proved inconclusive, and in some writings their battle continues for
all eternity; the more common ending is that the gods wrote to Osiris,
who threatened to send demons to the realm of the gods if Horus was
not made king of Egypt at once. Not surprisingly, the gods chose
Horus' side.

Horus has many names, and the Pharoah was considered to be the living
embodiment of the god. Horus' right eye is the Sun and his left eye
is the Moon, and depictions of his eye, the Wedjat, are among the most
common and recognizable symbols of all ancient Egypt. In the course
of his battle with Seth, his left eye, the Moon, was injured; Thoth,
the god of writing, magic, and wisdom, re-assembled the Moon, and its
destruction and re-building is mirrored in the phases of the Moon.
The name Horus comes from the Egyptian word Hor, which translates as
"face". We find him worshipped as Mekhenti-irry which translates as
"He who has on his brow Two Eyes", the sun and moon representing his
eyes. On nights when there is no moon we find him worshipped as
Mekhenti-en-irty, "He who on his brow has no eyes", in this form he
was considered the god of the blind.

As Horus Behudety, Horus represents the midday sun, and is symbolized
by the winged sun disc. As Harmakhet, Horus represents the rising
Sun, and is represented by the human- or ram-headed lion, the Sphinx.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82635 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: Witnessing as Lictor...
I, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointments of P. Memmius Albucius as censor, C. Equitius Cato as
consul minor, Cn. Iulius Caesar as praetor maior, M. Cornelius
Gualterus Graecus as praetor minor, St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana
Aeternia as aedilis curulis maior and A. Vitellius Celsus as aedilis
curulis minor of Nova Roma.

The appointments of T. Iulius Sabinus as Pontifex Maximus, K. Fabius
Buteo Modianus as Rex Sacrorum, C. Petronius Dexter and L. Iulia
Aquila as pontifices and Flavius Vedius Germanicus and Gaius Tullius
Valerianus Germanicus as augures.

I do recuse myself from witnessing for myself.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their
offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82636 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: Witness Statement of Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
I,Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointments of P. Memmius Albucius as censor, P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator as consul maior, C. Equitius Cato as consul minor, Cn. Iulius Caesar as praetor maior, M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus as praetor minor, St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia as aedilis curulis maior and A. Vitellius Celsus as aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma.

The appointments of T. Iulius Sabinus as Pontifex Maximus, K. Fabius Buteo Modianus as Rex Sacrorum, C. Petronius Dexter and L. Iulia Aquila as pontifices and Flavius Vedius Germanicus and Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus as augures.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82637 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: Witness Statement
I, Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby
witness:
The appointments of P. Memmius Albucius as censor, P. Ullerius Stephanus
Venator as consul maior, C. Equitius Cato as consul minor, Cn. Iulius Caesar
as praetor maior, M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus as praetor minor, St.
Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia as aedilis curulis maior and A.
Vitellius Celsus as aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma.
The appointments of T. Iulius Sabinus as Pontifex Maximus, K. Fabius Buteo
Modianus as Rex Sacrorum, C. Petronius Dexter and L. Iulia Aquila as
pontifices and Flavius Vedius Germanicus and Gaius Tullius Valerianus
Germanicus as augures.
As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices
and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Ego, Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus, lictor curiatus Novae Romae
testificor:
P. Memmium Albucium censorem, P. Ullerium Stephanum Venatorum consulem
maiorem, C. Equitium Catom consulem minorem, Cn. Iulium Caesarum praetorem
maiorem, M. Cornelium Gualterum Graecum praetorem minorem, et St. Corneliam
Valerianam Iulianam Aeterniam aedilem curulem maiorem et A. Vitellum Celsum
aedilem curulem minorem Novae Romae creari.
T. Iulium Sabinum Pontifex Maximum, K. Fabium Buteom Modianum Rex Sacrorum,
C. Petronium Dexterum et L. Iuliam Aquilam pontifices, atque Flavium Vedium
Germanicum et Gaium Tullium Valerianum Germanicum augures.
Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime
officiis muneribusque suis fungantur.

--
"Qua(e) patres difficillime
adepti sunt nolite
turpiter relinquere" -
Monumentum Bradfordis, Tamaropoli, in civitate Massaciuseta
(Bradford Monument, Plymouth, MA)

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82638 From: Charlie Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: Witnessing Statement of Quintus Servilius Priscus
I, Quintus Servilius Priscus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointments of P. Memmius Albucius as censor, P. Ullerius Stephanus
Venator as consul maior, C. Equitius Cato as consul minor, Cn. Iulius Caesar
as praetor maior, M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus as praetor minor, St.
Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia as aedilis curulis maior and A.
Vitellius Celsus as aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma.

The appointments of T. Iulius Sabinus as Pontifex Maximus, K. Fabius Buteo
Modianus as Rex Sacrorum, C. Petronius Dexter and L. Iulia Aquila as
pontifices and Flavius Vedius Germanicus and Gaius Tullius Valerianus
Germanicus as augures.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices
and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Quintus Servilius Priscus
Lictor

<http://www.cj-collins.com/>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82639 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: Re: Witness Statement
> A. Tullia Scholastica collegae C. Tullio Valeriano quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis, praesertim Latineloquentibus, S.P.D.
>
>
> Nonnulla errata irrepserunt et hoc in documento adsunt. Nescio quis
> scripserit, sed fortasse illa corrigere debes ne quis insciens illis utatur
> vel nos sciens irrideat. Infra corrigo:
>
>
>
> Ego, Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus, lictor curiatus Novae Romae
> testificor:
> P. Memmium Albucium censorem, P. Ullerium Stephanum Venatorum
>
> ATS: Venatorem...híc casu accusativo singulari, non genitivo plurali, uti
> debemus, etsi inter nos nonnulli venatores munerum potestatumque sunt qui
> utrum modos illorum capiendorum rectos annon flocci faciant.
>
> consulem
> maiorem, C. Equitium Catom
>
> ATS: Catonem: Cato, Catonis...
>
>
> consulem minorem, Cn. Iulium Caesarum
>
> ATS: Caesarem, ut in declinatione tertia solet.
>
>
> praetorem
> maiorem, M. Cornelium Gualterum Graecum praetorem minorem, et St. Corneliam
> Valerianam Iulianam Aeterniam aedilem curulem maiorem et A. Vitellum Celsum
> aedilem curulem minorem Novae Romae creari.
> T. Iulium Sabinum Pontifex Maximum, K. Fabium Buteom
>
> ATS: Buteonem: Buteo, Buteonis...
>
>
> Modianum Rex Sacrorum,
>
> ATS: Regem, nam Latiné nonnulla verba temporalia casum accusativum regunt
> (ut bene scis).
>
> C. Petronium Dexterum
>
> ATS: Melius: Dextrum
>
>
> et L. Iuliam Aquilam pontifices, atque Flavium Vedium
> Germanicum et Gaium Tullium Valerianum Germanicum augures.
>
> Mea sententia, non decet munera potestatesve sibi dare...Venator
> rectissimé recusavit. De aliis rebus insolitissimis injustissimis his in
> suffragiis (scilicet non in illis de muneribus religiosis) tacebo.
>
>
> Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime
> officiis muneribusque suis fungantur.
>
> Vale, et valete.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82640 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2010-12-26
Subject: Witnessing imperium
I,Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:
The appointments of P. Memmius Albucius as censor, P. Ullerius
Stephanus Venator as consul maior, C. Equitius Cato as consul minor,
Cn. Iulius Caesar as praetor maior, M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus as
praetor minor, St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia as aedilis
curulis maior and A. Vitellius Celsus as aedilis curulis minor of Nova
Roma.
The appointments of T. Iulius Sabinus as Pontifex Maximus, K. Fabius
Buteo Modianus as Rex Sacrorum, C. Petronius Dexter and L. Iulia
Aquila as pontifices and Flavius Vedius Germanicus and Gaius Tullius
Valerianus Germanicus as augures.
As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their
offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82641 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-27
Subject: a.d. VI Kal. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem VI Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"It is no wonder, therefore, that the ancients looked upon this
country as sacred to Saturn, since they esteemed this god to be the
giver and accomplisher of all happiness to mankind,— whether he ought
to be called Cronus, as the Greeks deem fitting, or Saturn, as do the
Romans, — and regarded him as embracing the whole universe, by
whichever name he is called, and since they saw this country abounding
in universal plenty and every charm mankind craves, and judged those
places to be most agreeable both to divine and to human beings that
are suited to them — for example, the mountains and woods to Pan, the
meadows and verdant places to the nymphs, the shores and islands to
the sea-gods, and all there places to the god or genius to whom each
is appropriate. It is said also that the ancients sacrificed human
victims to Saturn, as was done at Carthage while that city stood and
as is there is done to this day among the Gauls and certain other
western nations, and that Hercules, desiring to abolish the custom of
this sacrifice, erected the altar upon the Saturnian hill and
performed the initial rites of sacrifice with unblemished victims
burning on a pure fire. And lest the people should feel any scruple at
having neglected their traditional sacrifices, he taught them to
appease the anger of the god by making effigies resembling the men
they had been wont to bind hand and foot and throw into the stream of
the Tiber, and dressing these in the same manner, to throw them into
the river instead of the men, his purpose being that any superstitious
dread remaining in the minds of all might be removed, since the
semblance of the ancient rite would still be preserved. This the
Romans continued to do every year even down to my day a little after
the vernal equinox, in the month of May, on what they call the Ides
(the day they mean to be the middle of the month); on this day, after
offering the preliminary sacrifices according to the laws, the
pontifices, as the most important of the priests are called, and with
them the virgins who guard the perpetual fire, the praetors, and such
of the other citizens as may lawfully be present at the rites, throw
from the sacred bridge into the stream of the Tiber thirty effigies
made in the likeness of men, which they call Argei. But concerning
the sacrifices and the other rites which the Roman people perform
according to the manner both of the Greeks and of their own country I
shall speak in another book. At present, it seems requisite to give a
more particular account of the arrival of Hercules in Italy and to
omit nothing worthy of notice that he did there.

Of the stories told concerning this god some are largely legend and
some are nearer the truth. The legendary account of his arrival is as
follows: Hercules, being commanded by Eurystheus, among other labours,
to drive Geryon's cattle from Erytheia to Argos, performed the task
and having passed through many parts of Italy on his way home, came
also to the neighbourhood of Pallantium in the country of the
Aborigines; and there, finding much excellent grass for his cattle, he
let them graze, and being overcome with weariness, lay down and gave
himself over to sleep. Thereupon a robber of that region, named Cacus,
chanced to come upon the cattle feeding with none to guard them and
longed to possess them. But seeing Hercules lying there asleep, he
imagined he could not drive them all away without being discovered and
at the same time he perceived that the task was no easy one, either.
So he secreted a few of them in the cave hard by, in which he lived,
dragging each of them thither by the tail backwards. This might have
destroyed all evidence of his theft, as the direction in which the
oxen had gone would be at variance with their tracks. Hercules, then,
arising from sleep soon afterwards, and having counted the cattle and
found some were missing, was for some time at a loss to guess where
they had gone, and supposing them to have strayed from their pasture,
he sought them up and down the region; then, when he failed to find
them, he came to the cave, and though he was deceived by the tracks,
he felt, nevertheless, that he ought to search the place. But Cacus
stood before the door, and when Hercules inquired after the cattle,
denied that he had seen them, and when the other desired to search his
cave, would not suffer him to do so, to be called upon his neighbours
for assistance, complaining of the violence offered to him by the
stranger. And while Hercules was puzzled to know how he should act in
the matter, he hit upon the expedient of driving the rest of the
cattle to the cave. And thus, when those inside heard the lowing and
perceived the smell of their companions outside, they bellowed to them
in turn and thus their lowing betrayed the theft. Cacus, therefore,
when his thievery was thus brought to light, put himself upon his
defence and began to call out to his fellow herdsmen. But Hercules
killed him by smiting him with his club and drove out the cattle; and
when he saw that the place was well adapted to the harbouring of
evil-doers, he demolished the cave, burying the robber under its
ruins. Then, having purified himself in the river from the murder, he
erected an altar near the place to Jupiter the Discoverer, which is
now in Rome near the Porta Trigemina, and sacrificed a calf to the god
as a thank-offering for the finding of his cattle. This sacrifice the
city of Rome continued to celebrate even down to my day, observing in
it all the ceremonies of the Greeks just as he instituted them." -
Dionysis of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities", 1.38-39


"After having been twice driven back by heavy southwestern gales, Her
Majesty's Ship Beagle, a ten-gun brig, under the command of Captain
Fitz Roy, R. N., sailed from Devonport on the 27th of December, 1831.
The object of the expedition was to complete the survey of Patagonia
and Tierra del Fuego, commenced under Captain King in 1826 to 1830, --
to survey the shores of Chile, Peru, and of some islands in the
Pacific—and to carry a chain of chronometrical measurements round the
World." - Charles Darwin, "The Voyage of the Beagle", which set sail
on 27 December 1831


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82642 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-12-27
Subject: Re: Digitalem Diem Natalem Christi
C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,

> Today for Christians is the Feast of the Nativity of the Christ.

Here the digital story of this nativity...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkHNNPM7pJA

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. VI Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82643 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-27
Subject: Re: Digitalem Diem Natalem Christi
Cato Petronio Dextero sal.

That was pretty funny. My favorite part was the Google Maps where they check off "Avoid Romans". :)

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,
>
> > Today for Christians is the Feast of the Nativity of the Christ.
>
> Here the digital story of this nativity...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkHNNPM7pJA
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> A. d. VI Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82644 From: Marcus Valerius Traianus Date: 2010-12-27
Subject: Re: Natalis Solis Invicti; Natalis Mithrae; Natalis Christi
I would like to 2nd Sulla's comments.  Even though I am a little late in doing
so.

Which ever mid-winter festival you celebreate, may it be blessed!
 ----------------------------
Marcus Valerius Traianus
Proud Citizen of Nova Roma




________________________________
From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 10:58:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Natalis Solis Invicti; Natalis Mithrae; Natalis Christi

Ave!

I hope everyone has very best of holiday experiences and that there are
wonderful times with friends, family and experiences that you will treasure
for the rest of your lives!  And, it is my hope that next year brings all of
us the best of times and even better times!

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <
cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Cn. Lentulus pontifex Quiritibus s. p. d.
>
> Io Saturnalia!
>
> I wish my fellow citizens a merry, blessed Natalis Solis Invicti, the
> Birthday of the Sun Invincible! This Festivity closes the Saturnalia! Io
> Saturnalia!
>
> I also wish a joyous Natalis Mithrae to my Mithraist fellow citizens, and a
> Merry Christmas to my Roman Christian fellow citizens!
>
> CN LENTULUS PONTIFEX
> Sacerdos Concordiae
>
> --- Sab 25/12/10, Sabinus
><iulius_sabinus@...<iulius_sabinus%40yahoo.com>>
> ha scritto:
>
> Da: Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@... <iulius_sabinus%40yahoo.com>>
> Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Dies Natalis Sol Invictus; Natalis Mithrae.
> A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Data: Sabato 25 dicembre 2010, 12:38
>
>
>
> T. Iulius Sabinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:
>
> Hodie est a.d. VIII Kalendas Ianuarias.
>
> Haec dies comitialis est: Natalis Solis Invicti; Natalis Mithrae.
>
> I wish all of you a great Dies Natalis Solis Invicti!
>
> Sol Invictus was the official sun god of the later Roman Empire. The cult
> was created by emperor Aurelian, who made it an official cult alongside the
> traditional Roman cults.
>
> After his victories in the East, the emperor Aurelian thoroughly reformed
> the Roman cult of Sol, elevating the sun-god to one of the premier
> divinities of the empire. Where previously a priests of Sol had been simply
> sacerdotes and tended to belong to lower ranks of Roman society they were
> now pontifices and members of the new college of pontifices instituted by
> Aurelian. Every pontifex of Sol was a member of the senatorial elite,
> indicating that the priesthood of Sol was now highly prestigious.
>
> "When Aurelian's horsemen, now exhausted, were on the point of breaking
> their ranks and turning their backs, suddenly by the power of a supernatural
> agency, as was afterwards made known, a divine form spread encouragement
> throughout the foot-soldiers and rallied even the horsemen. Zenobia and Zaba
> were put to flight, and a victory was won in full. And so, having reduced
> the East to its former state, Aurelian entered Emesa as a conqueror, and at
> once made his way to the Temple of Elagabalus, to pay his vows as if by a
> duty common to all. But there he beheld that same divine form which he had
> seen supporting his cause in the battle. Wherefore he not only established
> temples there, dedicating gifts of great value, but he also built a temple
> to the Sun at Rome, which he consecrated with still greater pomp, as we
> shall relate in the proper place."
>
> (Historia Augusta, The life of Aurelian, part II, 25.3)
>
> "He (n.b. emperor Aurelian) set the priesthoods in order, he constructed
> the Temple of the Sun, and he founded its college of pontiffs; and he also
> allotted funds for making repairs and paying attendants."
>
> (Historia Augusta, The life of Aurelian, part II, 35.3)
>
> Mithras became popular as a god of soldiers in the Roman Empire beginning
> in the first and second centuries AD. He was regarded as a god of loyalty
> and truth, and of the struggle against evil. The cult of Mithraism excluded
> women, and its rites were conducted in underground temples known as
> mithraea. The central rite involved the ritual slaughter of a bull,
> symbolizing the regeneration of life and the world.
>
> "Hence through the dark union of matter, the world is obscure and dark, but
> from the presence and supervening ornaments of form (from which it derives
> its name) it is beautiful and pleasant. The world therefore may with great
> propriety be called a cave; agreeable indeed, at its first entrance, on
> account of its participation of form, but involved in the deepest obscurity
> to the intellectual eye which endeavors to discern its dark foundation. So
> that it exterior and superficial parts are pleasant, but it interior and
> profound parts obscure: and its very bottom is darkness itself. After the
> same manner the Persians, mystically signifying the descent of the soul into
> an inferior nature and its ascent into the intelligible world, initiate the
> priest or mystic in a place which they denominate a cave. For according to
> Eubulus, Zoroaster first of all among the neighboring mountains of Persia,
> consecrated a natural cave, florid and watered with fountains, in
> honor of Mithras the father of all things: a cave in the opinion of
> Zoroaster bearing a resemblance of the world fabricated by Mithras. But the
> things contained in the cavern, being disposed by certain intervals,
> according to symmetry and order, were symbols of the elements and climates
> of the world."
>
> (Porphyry, De Antro Nympharum, 6)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82645 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-12-28
Subject: please provide input
C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

We will be celebrating the Parentatio on February 13. this Traditionally,
the Vestals went to the tomb of Terpia and offered prayers for the dead of
Rome. In Nova Roma, these prayers are offered by the Sacerdos Vestae, and I
will be doing so. I have the current list of those for citizens wish to
have prayers offered, but if anyone has names they would like added to that
list, please contact me privately at the above address with the name or
names. since our pets are also part of our families, please include those,
as well.

Gratias tibi ago,
C. Maria Caeca, Sacerdos Vestae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82646 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-28
Subject: a.d. V Kal. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem V Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"But the story which comes nearer to the truth and which has been
adopted by many who have narrated his deeds in the form of history is
as follows: Hercules, who was the greatest commander of his age,
marched at the head of a large force through all the country that lies
on this side of the Ocean, destroying any despotisms that were
grievous and oppressive to their subjects, or commonwealths that
outraged and injured the neighbouring states, or organized bands of
men who lived in the manner of savages and lawlessly put strangers to
death, and in their room establishing lawful monarchies, well-ordered
governments and humane and sociable modes of life. Furthermore, he
mingled barbarians with Greeks, and inhabitants of the inland with
dwellers on the sea coast, groups which hitherto had been distrustful
and unsocial in their dealings with each other; he also built cities
in desert places, turned the course of rivers that overflowed the
fields, cut roads through inaccessible mountains, and contrived other
means by which every land and sea might lie open to the use of all
mankind. And he came into Italy not alone nor yet bringing a herd of
cattle (for neither does this country lies on the road of those
returning from Spain to Argos nor would he have been deemed worthy of
so great an honour merely for passing through it), but at the head of
a great army, after he had already conquered Spain, in order to
subjugate and rule the people in this region; and he was obliged to
tarry there a considerable time both because of the absence of his
fleet, due to stormy weather that detained it, and because not all the
nations of Italy willingly submitted to him. For, besides the other
barbarians, the Ligurians, a numerous and warlike people seated in the
passes of the Alps, endeavoured to prevent his entrance into Italy by
force of arms, and in that place so great a battle was fought by the
Greeks that all their missiles gave out in the course of the fighting.
This war is mentioned by Aeschylus, among the ancient poets, in his
Prometheus Unbound; for there Prometheus is represented as foretelling
to Hercules in detail how everything else was to befall him on his
expedition against Geryon and in particular recounting to him the
difficult struggle he was to have in the war with the Ligurians. The
verses are these:

'And thou shalt come to Liguria's dauntless host,
Where no fault shalt thou find, bold though thou art,
With the fray: 'tis fated thy missiles all shall fail.'

After Hercules had defeated this people and gained the passes, some
delivered up their cities to him of their own accord, particularly
those who were any other Greek extraction or who had no considerable
forces; but the greatest part of them were reduced by war and siege.
Among those who were conquered in battle, they say, was Cacus, who is
celebrated in the Roman legend, an exceedingly barbarous chieftain
reigning over a savage people, who had set himself to oppose Hercules;
he was established in the fastnesses and on that account was a pest to
his neighbours. He, when he heard that Hercules lay encamped in the
plain hard by, equipped his followers like brigands and making a
sudden raid while the army lay sleeping, he surrounded and drove off
as much of their booty as he found unguarded. Afterwards, being
besieged by the Greeks, he not only saw his forts taken by storm, but
was himself slain amid his fastnesses. And when his forts had been
demolished, those who had accompanied Hercules on the expedition
(these were some Arcadians with Evander, and Faunus, king of the
Aborigines) took over the districts round about, each group for
itself. And it may be conjecture days that those of the Greeks who
remained there, that is, the Epeans and the Arcadians from Pheneus, as
well as the Trojans, were left to guard the country. For among the
various measures of Hercules that bespoke the true general none was
more worthy of admiration than his practice of carrying along with him
for a time on his expeditions the prisoners taken from the captured
cities, and then, after they had cheerfully assisted him in his wars,
settling them in the conquered regions and bestowing on them the
riches he had gained from others. It was because of these deeds that
Hercules gained the greatest name and renown in Italy, and not because
of his passage through it, which was attended by nothing worthy of
veneration.

Some say that he also left sons by two women in the region now
inhabited by the Romans. One of these sons was Pallas, whom he had by
the daughter of Evander, whose name, they say, was Lavinia; the other,
Latinus, whose mother was a certain Hyperborean girl whom he brought
with him as a hostage given to him by her father and preserved for
some time untouched; but while he was on his voyage to Italy, he fell
in love with her and got her with child. And when he was preparing to
leave for Argos, he married her to Faunus, king of the Aborigines; for
which reason Latinus is generally looked upon as the son of Faunus,
not of Hercules. Pallas, they say, died before he arrived at puberty;
but Latinus, upon reaching man's estate, succeeded to the kingdom of
the Aborigines, and when he was killed in the battle against the
neighbouring Rutulians, without leaving any male issue, the kingdom
devolved on Aeneas, the son of Anchises, his son-in-law. But
these things happened at other times." - Dionysis of Halicarnassus,
"Roman Antiquities", 1.41-43


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82647 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-29
Subject: a.d. IV Kal. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem IV Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"At that time the Trojans who had fled with Aeneas from Troy after its
capture landed at Laurentum, which is on the coast of the Aborigines
facing the Tyrrhenian sea, not far from the mouth of the Tiber. And
having received from the Aborigines some land for their habitation and
everything else they desired, they built a town on a hill not far from
the sea and called it Lavinium. Soon after this they changed their
ancient name and, together with the Aborigines, were called Latins,
after the king of that country. And leaving Lavinium, they joined with
the inhabitants of those parts in building a larger city, surrounded
by a wall, which they called Alba; and setting out thence, they built
many other cities, the cities of the so‑called Prisci Latini, of
which the greatest part were inhabited even to my day. Then, sixteen
generations after the taking of Troy, sending out a colony to
Pallantium and Saturnia, where the Peloponnesians and the Arcadians
had made their first settlement and where there were still left some
remains of the ancient race, they settled these places and surrounded
Pallantium with a wall, so that it then first received the form of a
city. This settlement they called Rome, after Romulus, who was the
leader of the colony and the seventeenth in descent from Aeneas. But
also concerning the arrival of Aeneas in Italy, since some historians
have been ignorant of it and others have related it in a different
manner, I wish to give more than a cursory account, having compared
the histories of those writers, both Greek and Roman, who are the best
accredited. The stories concerning him are as follows:

When Troy had been taken by the Achaeans, either by the stratagem of
the wooden horse, as Homer represents, or by the treachery of the
Antenoridae, or by some other means, the greatest part of the Trojans
and of their allies then in the city were surprised and slain in their
beds; for it seems that this calamity came upon them in the night,
when they were not upon their guard. But Aeneas and his Trojan forces
which he had brought from the cities of Dardanus and Ophrynium to the
assistance of the people of Ilium, and as many others as had early
notice of the calamity, while the Greeks were taking the lower town,
fled together to the stronghold of Pergamus, occupied the citadel,
which was fortified with its own wall; here were deposited the holy
things of the Trojans inherited from their fathers and their great
wealth in valuables, as was to be expected in a stronghold, and here
also the flower of their army was stationed. Here they awaited and
repulsed the enemy who were endeavouring to gain a foothold on the
acropolis, and by making secret sallies they were able, through their
familiarity with the narrow streets, to rescue the multitude which was
seeking to escape at the taking of the city; and thus a larger number
escaped than were taken prisoner. But with respect to the future he
reasoned very properly that it would be impossible to save a city the
greater part of which was already in possession of the enemy, and he
therefore decided to abandon the wall, bare of defenders, to the enemy
and to save the inhabitants themselves as well as the holy objects
inherited from their fathers and all the valuables he could carry
away. Having thus resolved, he first sent out from the city the women
and children together with the aged and all others whose condition
required much time to make their escape, with orders to take the roads
leading to Mount Ida, while the Achaeans, intent on capturing the
citadel, were giving no thought to the pursuit of the multitude who
were escaping from the city. Of the army, he assigned one part to
escort the inhabitants who were departing, in order that their flight
might be as safe and free from hardships as the circumstances would
permit; and they were ordered to take possession of the strongest
parts of Mount Ida. With the rest of the troops, who were the most
valiant, he remained upon the wall of the citadel and, by keeping the
enemy occupied in assaulting it, he rendered less difficult the flight
of those who had gone on ahead. But when Neoptolemus and his men
gained a foothold on part of the acropolis and all the Achaeans
rallied to their support, Aeneas abandoned the place; and opening the
gates, he marched away with the rest of the fugitives in good order,
carrying with him in the best chariots his father and the gods of his
country, together with his wife and children and whatever else, either
person or thing, was most precious." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus,
"Roman Antiquitiues", 1.45-46


"Helios the Sun rides his chariot, he shines upon men and deathless
gods, and piercingly he gazes with his eyes from his golden helmet.
Bright rays beam dazzlingly from him, and his bright locks streaming
from the temples of his head gracefully enclose his far-seen face: a
rich, fine-spun garment glows upon his body and flutters in the wind:
and stallions carry him. Then, when he has stayed his golden-yoked
chariot and horses, he rests there upon the highest point of heaven,
until he marvellously drives them down again through heaven to
Okeanos." - Homeric Hymn 31 to Helios

"All the Children of Helios were easy to recognise, even from a
distance, by their flashing eyes, which shot out rays of golden light
like their father's." - Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 4.726

"He made his way direct into the presence of Helios and there stood
afar, unable to approached the dazzling light. Enrobed in purple
vestments Phoebus [Helios] sat, high on a throne of gleaming
emeralds." - Ovid, Metamorphoses 2.20

"Poseidon was the lover of Nerites [the son of Nereus and
Doris]...when Poseidon drove his chariot over the waves, all were left
utterly and far behind by the speed of his horses; only the boy
favourite was his escort close at hand...for the god willed that his
beautiful favourite should not only be highly esteemed for other
reasons but should also be pre-eminent at swimming.

But the story relates that Helios (the Sun) resented the boy's power
of speed and transformed his body into the spiral shell as it now is:
the cause of his anger I cannot tell, neither does the fable mention
it - perhaps the boy bragged of his prowess. But if one may guess
where there is nothing to go by, Poseidon and Helios might be said to
be rivals. And it may be that Helios was vexed at the boy travelling
about in the sea and wished that he should travel among the
constellations instead of being counted among the Ketea
(Sea-Monsters)." - Aelian, On Animals 14.28

"Sol [Helios the Sun] puts on his diadem of myriad rays and the
corselet woven of twelve stars [the zodiac constellations] and bound
by the belt which athwart the rain-clouds shows for men its many hued
bow." - Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica 4.90

"The Company of the Gods rejoice at thy rising, the earth is glad when
it beholdeth thy rays; the people who have been long dead come forth
with cries of joy to behold thy beauties every day. Thou goest forth
each day over heaven and earth, and thou art made strong each day be
thy mother Nut. Thou passest over the heights of heaven, thy heart
swelleth with joy; and the Lake of Testes (the Great Oasis) is content
thereat. The Serpent-fiend hath fallen, his arms are hewn off, the
Knife hath severed his joints. Ra liveth by Maat, the beautiful! The
Sektet Boat advanceth and cometh into port. The South and the North,
and the West and East, turn to praise thee. O thou First, Great God,
who didst come into being of thine own accord, Isis and Nephthys
salute thee, they sing unto thee songs of joy at thy rising in the
boat, they stretch out their hands unto thee. The Souls of the East
follow thee, and the Souls of the West praise thee. Thou art the Ruler
of all the gods. Thou in thy shrine hast joy, for the Serpent-fiend
Nak hath been judged by the fire, and thy heart shall rejoice for
ever. Thy mother Nut is esteemed by thy father Nu." - Hymn to Ra from
the Egyptian Book of The Dead

In ancient Egypt, today was dedicated to Ra, the god of the Sun, known
to the Greeks as Helios.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82648 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2010-12-29
Subject: Re: a.d. IV Kal. Ian.
C. Petronius C. Catoni s.p.d.,

> Hodiernus dies est ante diem IV Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

This day was comitialis on the older Roman calendar, the Republican calendar with 355 days and 1 month intercalarius every 2 years.

But when C. Julius Caesar changed the calendar and give each year 365 days he obviously added 10 days. (And 1 day more each 4 years).

He statued that those 10 days added were *Fasti dies* and Macrobius in his book Saturnalia 1 chapter 14 give us what days were added by C. Julius Caesar.

In December the IV and III Kal. Ian. (Dec. 29 and 30) are each Fastus dies.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
A. d. IV Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82649 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-29
Subject: The Collegium Pontificum session report.
SALVETE!

The Collegium Pontificum was called into session starting with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.IX Kal Ian 2763 a.U.c (Friday 24 December 2010) until 17.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d IV Kal Ian 2763 a.U.c (Wednesday 29 December 2010).

The session schedule.

Contio:
Started with 08.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d.IX Kal Dec 2763 a.U.c (Friday 24 December 2010) until 17.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d VI Kal Ian 2763 a.U.c (Monday 27 December 2010).

Vote:
Started immediately after contio and concluded at 17.00 hr.(Rome time) on a.d IV Kal Ian 2763 a.U.c (Wednesday, 29 December 2763).

Participation details:

1.The following Collegium Pontificum members participated in session:
- Pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus (+ vote by proxy for pontifex Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius).
- Pontifex K. Fabius Buteo Modianus.
- Pontifex L. Iulia Aquila.
- Pontifex T. Iulius Sabinus.
- Pontifex C. Petronius Dexter.

2. Absents – justified:
- Pontifex Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius – leave of absence (vote by proxy to pontifex Q. Fabius Maximus).
- Flamen M'. Titinius Silvanus – based of his request to be registered as non voting Collegium Pontificum member.

3. Absents - unjustified:
- Pontifex Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.
- Flamen K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus.
- Pontifex M. Antonius Gryllus Graecus – didn't join to the CP list.
- Pontifex M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus – didn't join to the CP list.

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS

Initially item I:
1. Pending favorable auspices the CP will analyze and if concluded, decide as Rex and Regina Sacrorum, Flamines and Flaminicae to not be legal married couples.

Modified item I (announced with 24 hrs in advance of the vote session):
1. The CP will analyze and if concluded, decide as Rex and Regina Sacrorum to not be legal married couple.

As time the item include many other complementary questions and it was not concluded, this item was tabled. More discussions are necessary. Until then Rex Sacrorum K. Fabius Buteo Modianus will perform alone his duties. No vote was necessary for this item.
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Initially item II:
2. The CP will analyze and if concluded, appoint C. Maria Caeca as Virgo Vestalis Maxima.

Modified item II (announced with 24 hrs in advance of the vote session):
2. The CP will analyze and if concluded, appoint C. Maria Caeca as Vestal Virgin.

This item modification follows the Collegium Pontificum members' advice as C. Maria Caeca to take first the Vestal Virgin job steps.

TIS: Uti rogas. Based of the common sense she shows until now, she will be a fine Vestal Virgin and an important candidate for the position of Virgo Vestalis Maxima.
QFM: Uti rogas. I believe she will be a fine Vestal however; until we have more then one, there should be no candidates for the position of Virgo Vestalis Maxima.

Result: 6-UR/ 0-ANT/ 0-ABS = item passed.
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Initially item III:
3. The CP will analyze and if concluded, approve the development of a system based of knowledge tests for admission to the Nova Roma priesthood.

Modified item III (announced with 24 hrs in advance of the vote session):
3. The CP will analyze and if concluded, approve the development of a system based of knowledge tests for admission to the Nova Roma minor priesthood.

This item modification is based of the discussions during the contio as the Collegium Pontificum to develop a future more practical joining to Nova Roma priesthood system. The current item represents only one step of this system.

TIS: Uti rogas. I give it a chance with the hope that the CP will be able to develop the entire system of more functional and practical system of joining to Nova Roma priesthood.
KFBM: Uti rogas. I oppose simple multiple choice tests like the citizenship test. I would like to see development of our sacerdotes and not simply a test of basic knowledge.
QFM: Uti rogas. The College must be able to develop a system of a more
functional and practical means of acquiring knowledge before entering the Nova Roman priesthood.

Result: 6-UR/ 0-ANT/ 0-ABS = item passed.
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Item IV:
4. The CP will analyze and if concluded appoint the following new Comitia Curiata members: C. Marcius Crispus, C. Aemilius Crassus, Gn. Iulius Caesar, A. Tullia Scholastica, C. Popilius Laenas and C. Cocceius Spinula.

TIS: Uti rogas. Some of our best citizens here.
QFM: Uti rogas. Some of our most reliable citizens of Nova Roma are included in this list.

Result: 6-UR/ 0-ANT/ 0-ABS = item passed.
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Majority report:
The Collegium Pontificum members are full aware of the current joining and training Nova Roma priesthood system deficiency and are ready to take the next steps to improve it. More than that, some of our pontifices (L. Iulia Aquila for example), made already the first important step to this goal, volunteering to it.

Minority report:
There is not a minority report. The Collegium Pontificum members who
participated in session agreed and voted for the presented items in
full consensus.

Conclusions:
I present again my thanks to the Collegium Pontificum members for their presence and active participation in the session.
The fact that all items presented passed in full consensus, proves that the Collegium Pontificum - after was able to understand that Nova Roma need to function and to move on - is ready to start the effective work.
In comparison with the allowed time for discussions, the Collegium Pontificum members' participation was not to the same level. We can use better this time, fixing the proposed items or identifying new one.
I wish to the Collegium Pontificum members all the best with the winter solstice occasion and a Happy New Year.

VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus
Pontifex Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82650 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2010-12-29
Subject: Re: Witnessing imperium
I, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointments of P. Memmius Albucius as censor, P. Ullerius Stephanus
Venator as consul maior, C. Equitius Cato as consul minor, Cn. Iulius Caesar
as praetor maior, M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus as praetor minor, St.
Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia as aedilis curulis maior and A.
Vitellius Celsus as aedilis curulis minor of Nova Roma.

The appointments of T. Iulius Sabinus as Pontifex Maximus, K. Fabius Buteo
Modianus as Rex Sacrorum, C. Petronius Dexter and L. Iulia Aquila as
pontifices and Flavius Vedius Germanicus and Gaius Tullius Valerianus
Germanicus as augures.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices
and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82651 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-29
Subject: Just a few days to go...
Bona nocta omnes;

Here we are, right at the end of one Common Era calendar year and
heading into another.

I have pretty well cleared the decks for action, though the gun ports
are closed until a proper target is sighted.

(I had to redo my home network and my internet access speeds are just
a little above dial-up right now, my ISP is "working on it.")

I am in fond hope that the coming New Year will see many more, if not
all, Nova Romans participating, not just in our conversations on the
various lists, but in building face-to-face gatherings, standing
Offering before the Holy Powers, studying, thinking upon and taking
into our manner of being the Virtues, Civic and Private...

The only firm pledge that I will give you right now is that I will do
my best to further the goal of building a Nova Roma for us all. I
believe that Classicists, Re-creationists and Modernists can co-exist;
having seen it in other historically based organizations to which I
have belonged and in which I have been "large and in-charge."

I shall strive to remain civil at all times, to answer within context
and address ideas raised, rather then ascribe personality to photons
dancing on my screen.

To this end, I will have "office hours" for the next year in which I
will concentrate as much as possible on Nova Roma: 1 - 2 hours each
evening Mon - Fri, Sat - Sun, I will devote 3 - 4 hours each day,
which may not be sequential depending upon personal duties.

Sometimes my replies may take a couple of days. The only net access I
have over the course of the day is at home. My cell phone, makes
phone calls, take voice messages and can send and receive 140
character text messages. I only turn it on once or twice a day to
check for messages and make the occasional call. I am not connected
24/7.

But, unless I am visiting my mother, I am never totally unconnected.

Ok, I have some things to print out and read during lunch tomorrow; I
owe some folks replies.

--
In amicitia et fide
P Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis et Poeta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82652 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-30
Subject: a.d. III Kal. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem III Kalendas Ianuarius; hic dies fastus est.

"In the meantime the Achaeans had taken the city by storm, and being
intent on plunder, gave those who fled abundant opportunity of making
their escape. Aeneas and his band overtook their people while still on
the road, and being united now in one body, they seized the strongest
parts of Mount Ida. section 2Here they were joined not only by the
inhabitants of Dardanus, who, upon seeing a great and unusual fire
rising from Ilium, had in the night left their city undefended, — all
except the men with Elymus and Aegestus, who had got ready some ships
and had departed even earlier, — but also by the whole populace of
Ophrynium and by those of the other Trojan cities who clung to their
liberty; and in a very short time this force of the Trojans became a
very large one. Accordingly, the fugitives who had escaped with
Aeneas from the taking of the city and were tarrying on Mount Ida were
in hopes of returning home soon, when the enemy should have sailed
away; but the Achaeans, having reduced to slavery the people who were
left in the city and in the places near by and having demolished the
forts, were preparing to subdue those also who were in the mountains.
When, however, the Trojans sent heralds to treat for peace and begged
them not to reduce them to the necessity of making war, the Achaeans
held an assembly and made peace with them upon the following terms:
Aeneas and his people were to depart from the Troad with all the
valuables they had saved in their flight within a certain fixed time,
after first delivering up the forts to the Achaeans; and the Achaeans
were to allow them a safe-conduct by land and sea throughout all their
dominions when they departed in pursuance of these terms. Aeneas,
having accepted these conditions, which he looked upon as the best
possible in the circumstances, sent away Ascanius, his eldest son,
with some of the allies, chiefly Phrygians, to the country of
Dascylitis, as it is called, in which lies the Ascanian lake, since he
had been invited by the inhabitants to reign over them. But Ascanius
did not tarry there for any great length of time; for when Scamandrius
and the other descendants of Hector who had been permitted by
Neoptolemus to return home from Greece, came to him, he went to Troy,
in order to restore them to their ancestral kingdom. Regarding
Ascanius, then, this is all that is told. As for Aeneas, after his
fleet was ready, he embarked with the rest of his sons and his father,
taking with him the images of the gods, and crossing the Hellespont,
sailed to the nearest peninsula, which lies in front of Europe and is
called Pallene. This country was occupied by a Thracian people called
Crusaeans, who were allies of the Trojans and had assisted them during
the war with greater zeal than any of the others.

This, then, is the most credible account concerning the flight of
Aeneas and is the one which Hellanicus, among the ancient historians,
adopts in his Troica. There are different accounts given of the same
events by some others, which I look upon as less probable than this.
But let every reader judge as he thinks proper. Sophocles, the tragic
poet, in his drama Laocoon represents Aeneas, just before the taking
of the city, as removing his household to Mount Ida in obedience to
the orders of his father Anchises, who recalled the injunctions of
Aphrodite and from the omens that had lately happened in the case of
Laocoön's family conjectured the approaching destruction of the city.
His iambics, which are spoken by a messenger, are as follows:

'Now at the gates arrives the goddess' son,
Aeneas, his sire upon his shoulders borne
Aloft, while down that back by thunderbolt
Of Zeus once smit the linen mantle streams;
Surrounding them the crowd of household slaves.
There follows a multitude beyond belief
Who long to join this Phrygian colony.'

But Menecrates of Xanthus says that Aeneas betrayed the city to the
Achaeans out of hatred for Alexander and that because of this service
he was permitted by them to save his household. His account, which
begins with the funeral of Achilles, runs on this wise:

'The Achaeans were oppressed with grief and felt that the army had had
its head lopped off. However, they celebrated his funeral feast and
made war with all their might till Ilium was taken by the aid of
Aeneas, who delivered it up to them. For Aeneas, being scorned by
Alexander and excluded from his prerogatives, overthrew Priam; and
having accomplished this, he became one of the Achaeans.'

Others say that he chanced to be tarrying at that time at the station
where the Trojan ships lay; and others that he had been sent with a
force into Phrygia by Priam upon some military expedition. Some give a
more fabulous account of his departure. But let the case stand
according to each man's convictions." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 1.47-48


In ancient Egypt, today was celebrated as the birthday of the goddess
Isis. Isis is one of the earliest and most important goddess in
ancient Egypt. She was regarded as the feminine counterpart to Osiris,
a role she probably occupied before the dawn of dynastic Egypt. No
other Egyptian deity has stood the test of time as well as Isis. Her
cult was not extinguished with the other Egyptian gods, but was
embraced by the Greeks and Romans, her worship has even lasted into
the present day.

She was revered by the Egyptian people as the great mother-goddess and
represents the maternal spirit in its most intimate form. She is often
seen suckling a young Horus. In the Osiris legend she is seen as a
dutiful wife, a grieving widow and as a protector of the dead.

As a winged goddess she may represent the wind. In the Osiris legend
there are references to Isis wailing and moaning like the wind. She is
also continually travelling up and down the land in search of her lost
husband. Upon finding Osiris' body, she takes the shape of one of the
swiftest birds, a kite. Flapping and darting above his dead body she
wails in mourning. She restores life to Osiris by flapping her wings
and filling his mouth and nose with air.

Isis was a great enchantress, the goddess of magic. Together with
Thoth, she taught mankind the secrets of medicine. She was the
embalmer and gaurdian of Osiris. She is often rendered on the foot of
coffins with long wings spread to protect the deceased.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82653 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2010-12-30
Subject: Report of the Senate session held 16-22 December 2763
Ex officio Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Tribunus Plebis

Report of the Senate session held 16-22 December 2763

As reported earlier Consul P. Memmius Albucius called the Senate to meet during the following times Beginning: sunrise, a.d. XVII Kal. Ian. (Dec. 16) ; end: sunset a.d. XI Kal. Ian. 2764 auc (Dec. 22, 2010) Beginning: 9 am, a.d. XVII Kal. Ian. (Dec. 16) ; end: sunset a.d. XIV Kal. Ian. 2764 auc (Dec. 19, 2010 )Beginning: sunrise, a.d. XIII Kal. Ian. (Dec. 20) ; end: sunset - ½ h a.d. XI Kal. Ian. 2764 auc (Dec. 22, 2010)

The following (14) Senators cast votes and are referred to below by their initials:
Consules :
*PMA*: P. Memmius Albucius, presiding magistrate
*KFBQ*: K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
Senatores censorii :
*CnEM*: Cn. Equitius Marinus ( by proxy to KFBQ)
*DIPI*: D. Iunius Palladius Invictus
*LCSF*: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
*TiGP*: Ti. Galerius Paulinus
Senatores consulares :
*QFM*: Q. Fabius Maximus
*TIS*: T. Iulius Sabinus
Senatores praetorii :
*ATS*: A. Tullia Scholastica
*CEC*: C. Equitius Cato
*MIP*: M. Iulius Perusianus
Senatores aedilicii :
*CnIC*: Cn. Iulius Caesar
Senatores tribunicii :
*CVA*: C. Vipsanius Agrippa
*QSP*: Q. Suetonius Paulinus
The following senators (7) did not vote:
*CFD*: C. Flavius Diocletianus
*MCC*: M. Curatius Complutensis
*MIS*: M. Iulius Severus
*MMA*: M. Minucius Audens
*MAM*: M. Arminius Maior
*EmCF*: Em. Curia Finnica
*MLA*: M. Lucretius Agricola

"VTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item,
"ANTIQVO" is a vote against,
"ABSTINEO" is an open abstention.

Of the numerous items on the agenda a formal vote was taken on five.

Item IV – Elections – Curule magistrates – Imperium – Comitia curiata - provisional modification of the Constitution (discussion + vote)
14 "VTI ROGAS"
0 "ANTIQVO"
0 "ABSTINEO"

Item IV is adopted

Item XI – Magister aranearius – giving a date to her/his term – mod.
senatus consultum (discussion + vote)

13 "VTI ROGAS"
0 "ANTIQVO"
1 "ABSTINEO"

Item XI is adopted

Item XII – Provinces – Bulgaria - Administration – former praefectus Vitellius Celsus (discussion + vote)

14 "VTI ROGAS"
0 "ANTIQVO" 1
0 "ABSTINEO"

ATS: Uti rogas, though I am wondering about items missing between articles 2 and 5...


Item XII is adopted

Item XIII – Provinces – Italia - Administration – prorogation (discussion + vote)

13 "VTI ROGAS"
0 "ANTIQVO"
1 "ABSTINEO" (ATS)

ATS: Abstineo. I do not like putting any province under consular control (despite any historical precedents for that sort of thing). However, the fact that both incoming consules
apparently have at least some Italian background (and I believe that Cato speaks the language) might help resolve this situation.

CFBQ: Uti Rogas. As Senator Marcus Perusianus supports this I will
too. My relation to Italia and my stand point is well known. I would
rather have Nova Roma registered in Rome, but then we need to have
more active citizens in Italia. Nova Roma should seriously consider
why we don't have enough such citizens in Italia.

Item XIII is adopted

Item XIIII – Web site – Hosting - end of the current annual contract - prorogation for 2764 auc (discussion + vote)

13 "VTI ROGAS"
1 "ANTIQVO" ATS
0 "ABSTINEO"

Item XIIII is adopted
 
a.d. III Kal. Ian. ‡ P. Memmio K. Buteone (II) cos. ‡ MMDCCLXIII a.u.c.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82654 From: Sabinus Date: 2010-12-30
Subject: Lex Curiata de imperio MMDCCLXIV.
T. Iulius Sabinus Pontifex Maximus et lictores salutem plurimam dicit:

Lex Curiata de Imperio MMDCCLXIV:

We, the lictors of the Comitia Curiata of Nova Roma, recognize and accept the results of the elections in the Comitia Centuriata for consules and praetores, and the election in the Comitia Populi Tributa for the aedilis curulis. By this lex de imperio we confer imperium as defined in the Lex Arminia Equitia de imperio upon these magistrates:

P. Memmius Albucius, Censor
P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator, Consul maior
C. Equitius Cato, Consul minor
Cn. Iulius Caesar, Praetor maior
M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus, Praetor minor
St. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia, Aedilis curulis maior
A. Vitellius Celsus, Aedilis curulis minor

Attested by the following lictors of Nova Roma:

L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
Quintus Servilius Priscus
Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus
P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa

Given this 31st day of December 2763 a.U.c. in the consulship of P. Memmius and K. Buteo II coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82655 From: C.Antonivs Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Statement of resignation.
I, Gaius Antonius Costa, resign from office of Sarmatian Legatus
ProPraetor starting from Kalends of January 2764.
T.Iunius Brutus, whom I recommend as Legatus ProPraetor, is appointed
Legatus ProPraetor Pro Tempore by my edict.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82656 From: C.Antonivs Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: EDICTUM PROPRAETORIS VIII ABOUT APPOINTMENT LEGATUS PRORPAETOR PRO T
EDICTUM PROPRAETORIS VIII ABOUT APPOINTMENT LEGATUS PRORPAETOR PRO TEMPORE OF PROVINCIA SARMATIA.

By this edict, I appoint T. Iunius Brutus as Legatus Propraetor pro
tempore of provincia Sarmatia, starting from Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXIII AVC.
Recomendations on appointment T. Iunius Brutus as Legatus Propraetor of
provincia Sarmatia and statement of my resignation are directed to newly
elected Consuls of Nova Roma for presenting it to the Senate.
Given under my hand this a.d. V Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXIII a.u.c. in oppidum
VRBS NOVA, SARMATIA PROV.
Legatus Propraetor provinciae Sarmatiae C. Antonius Costa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82657 From: C.Maria Caeca Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Re: EDICTUM PROPRAETORIS VIII ABOUT APPOINTMENT LEGATUS PRORPAETOR P
C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

It is always disheartening to see NR citizens resign ...but, perhaps, especially, to see our non North American citizens leave us. One of the things which attracted me to NR, and keeps me here, is our International character, and I hope, sincerely, that we do not lose that. I do, of course, wish those who have indicated their desire to leave NR all the best, and hope that they will find their way back "home", but I also hope that many will stay with us, and give our new Government the benefit of the doubt. NR has much to offer ...for all citizens, no matter where they live or what their native language might be; and, I think, and have always thought, that, if we are to build a truly functional Res Publica, it will of necessity, be international in character, containing, as did Roma Antiqua, a healthy diversity of cultures, represented by citizens from many places.

I would like, also, at this time, to wish all a vey happy New year, filled with all good things.

Valete,
C. Maria Caeca, Cives

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82658 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: PIACVLVM PVBLICVM
C. Petronius Dexter pontifex omnibus Novis Romanis Quiritibus s.p.d.,

1/ According to the decretum pontificum de calendario Novo Romano today are the Civilia:
"III. To fulfill the Vow of adding an additional *dies nefastus* to the official civil calendar, dies pristinus Kal. Ian. (31 December) was designated by the previous decretum pontificum as *dies nefastus*. This date shall remain dies nefastus and is now designated as feriae *Civilia*. Magistrates whose term of office is to conclude at the end of this day ought to perform private piacula for any offenses to the Gods that may have occurred during their year in office. Newly designated magistrates whose term of office shall begin on the following date, the Kalends of January, ought to also perform private piacula for their Lares, Penates, and to the Di superi for whose cultus they shall be responsible in the coming year. Public celebrations for Civilia shall be conducted by the pontifices to invite the Gods to bless the transition of imperium and auspicium between former and new magistrates. "
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Decretum_pontificum_de_calendario_Novo_Romano_%28Nova_Roma%29

2/According to the decision of the CP, as pontifex, I offer the following piaculum publicum to our Gods:

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PIACULUM PUBLICUM

Hodie Civilibus feriis, pridie Kalendas Ianuarias,
Te, Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
te, Quirine Romanae parens urbis,
Vos, Di Inmortales quocumque nomine,
precor, oro et obtestor uti,

si vobis non fuit cordi, P. Memmio et K. Buteone iterum consulibus,
discordiam inter consules,
a quattuor tribunis et consule minore coniurationem actam,
et vestra sanctissuma numina usa esse uti
eiusdem factionis rebus favissent
et consul maior impietate iniure condemnatus
et pontifex et flamen ex collegio Pontificum iniure arbitrioque unius expulsi
et omnia iniuria et nefaria, quae pro vobis et Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus
aut dolo malo aut sine dolo malo acta essent ;

vos saltem satis habeatis
vidisse Senatum per menses impeditum nec habitum,
vidisse etiam sacros Novae Romae ignes a Virgine Vestali Maxima desertos,
vidisse Ludos Plebeios Novembri mense non datos !

Populo Novo Romano, Quiritibus sine noxa paenitentiam detis
et novos consules magistratusque prospere Rem Publicam gerere velitis.

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PIACULUM PUBLICUM

En ce jour des Civilia, veille des calendes de janvier,
Toi, Jupiter le Très bon, le Très grand,
Toi, Quirinus, père de la ville de Rome,
Vous, Dieux immortels, quel que soit votre nom,
je vous prie, vous implore, vous adjure

s'il vous a déplu, sous le consulat de P. Memmius et K. Buteo pour la seconde fois,
la discorde entre les consuls,
la conjuration fomentée par 4 tribuns et le consul mineur,
votre puissance divine si sainte utilisée pour
les buts de la même faction,
le consul majeur injustement condamné d'impiété,
un pontife et un flamen injustement chassés du collège pontifical par l'arbitraire d'un seul,
tout ce qui a été fait contre le droit ou la religion en votre nom ou en celui du peuple Nouveau Romain et des Quirites soit volontairement, soit involontairement,

qu'il ait suffit que vous vissiez
le Sénat empêché et non tenu pendant des mois,
le feu sacré de Nova Roma déserté par la Grande Vestale,
les Jeux Plébéiens non tenus en novembre !


[je vous prie, vous implore, vous adjure]
de pardonner sans nuire au peuple Nouveau Romain, aux Quirites
et de bien vouloir que les nouveaux consuls et magistrats gouvernent la République avec succès.

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Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Pontifex et Flamen Portunalis
Pridie Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82659 From: David Kling Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: On Resignations
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus C. Mariae Caecae salutem dicit

It is sad to see citizens resign. Yesterday I had the sad task of informing
the senate that Cn. Equitius Marinus resigned from Nova Roma.

When people leave Nova Roma it leaves a "whole" in our community. One
resignation will often, as I have seen, lead to other resignations and often
seem unrelated. We, as a community, are getting smaller and smaller. Nova
Roma has a lot to offer and it is bothersome to see people leave.

This year has had problems for Nova Roma. I hope that next year will be
more auspicious.

Vale et valete;

Modianus

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 2:33 AM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

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> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
>
> It is always disheartening to see NR citizens resign ...but, perhaps,
> especially, to see our non North American citizens leave us. One of the
> things which attracted me to NR, and keeps me here, is our International
> character, and I hope, sincerely, that we do not lose that. I do, of course,
> wish those who have indicated their desire to leave NR all the best, and
> hope that they will find their way back "home", but I also hope that many
> will stay with us, and give our new Government the benefit of the doubt. NR
> has much to offer ...for all citizens, no matter where they live or what
> their native language might be; and, I think, and have always thought, that,
> if we are to build a truly functional Res Publica, it will of necessity, be
> international in character, containing, as did Roma Antiqua, a healthy
> diversity of cultures, represented by citizens from many places.
>
> I would like, also, at this time, to wish all a vey happy New year, filled
> with all good things.
>
> Valete,
> C. Maria Caeca, Cives
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82661 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: prid. Kal. Ian.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est pridie Kalendas Ianuarius; hic dies nefastus est.

"What happened after his departure creates still greater difficulty
for most historians. For some, after they have brought him as far as
Thrace, say he died there; of this number are Cephalon of GergisLink
to the editor's note at the bottom of this page and Hegesippus,Link to
the editor's note at the bottom of this page who wrote concerning
Pallenê, both of them ancient and reputable men. Others make him leave
Thrace and take him to Arcadia, and say that he lived in the Arcadian
Orchomenus, in a place which, though situated inland, yet by reason of
marshes and a river, is called Nesos or "Island"; and they add that
the town called Capyae was built by Aeneas and the Trojans and took
its name from Capys the Troan. This is the account given by various
other writers and by Ariaethus, the author of Arcadica. And there are
some who have the story that he came, indeed, to Arcadia and yet that
his death did not occur there, but in Italy; this is stated by many
others and especially by Agathyllus of Arcadia, the poet, who writes
thus in an elegy:

'Then to Arcadia came and in Nesos left his two daughters,
Fruit of his love for Anthemone fair and for lovely Codone;
Thence made haste to Hesperia's land and begat there male offspring,
Romulus named.'

The arrival of Aeneas and the Trojans in Italy is attested by all the
Romans and evidences of it are to be seen in the ceremonies observed
by them both in their sacrifices and festivals, as well as in the
Sibyl's utterances, in the Pythian oracles, and in many other things,
which none ought to disdain as invented for the sake of embellishment.
Among the Greeks, also, many distinct monuments remain to this day on
the coasts where they landed and among the people with whom they
tarried when detained by unfavourable weather. In mentioning these,
though they are numerous, I shall be as brief as possible. They first
went to Thrace and landed on the peninsula called Pallene. It was
inhabited, as I have said,Link to the editor's note at the bottom of
this page by barbarians called Crusaeans, who offered them a safe
refuge. There they stayed the winter season and built a temple to
Aphrodite on one of the promontories, and also a city called Aeneia,
where they left all those who from fatigue were unable to continue the
voyage and all who chose to remain there as in a country they were
henceforth to look upon as their own. This city existed down to that
period of the Macedonian rule which came into being under the
successors of Alexander, but it was destroyed in the reign of
Cassander, when Thessalonica was being founded; and the inhabitants of
Aeneia with many others removed to the newly-built city." - Dionyisius
of Halicarnassus 1.49


"Play a thin tune
on a paper horn.
Old is dying.
New is born.

Scatter confetti
over the floor.
Sweep an old year
Out the door.

Blow up a wish
in a bright balloon.
Whisper dreams
To a midnight moon.

Play a loud tune
on a paper horn.
Old is dying.
New is born." - Myra Cohn Livingston

"Ring out the old shapes of foul disease;
Ring out the narrowing lusts of gold;
Ring out the thousand wars of old;
Ring in the thousand years of peace." - Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Today is the celebration of welcoming in the New Year, AD 2011 or
2764 AUC. The celebration of New Year's Eve is ancient, as well as
many of the customs associated with it. Babylonian records 4000 years
old describe resolutions made publicly; the two most common are to
repay any outstanding debts and to return anything that was borrowed.
Today, the two most common are to give up smoking and to lose weight
- followed by repaying any outstanding debts and returning anything
that was borrowed. The Greeks and Romans all paraded the first babies
born in the new year, but the custom of wrapping a banner around one
of them with the number of the new year is from 15th century Germany.

The Roman civil calendar began on the Kalends of Martias - in
exactly the same way that the U.S. Government begins its fiscal year
on 1 August - but from every Roman calendar that has been found it
is clear that the astronomical (and psychological) year began on the
Kalends of Ianuarius.


Valete bene and Happy New Year!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82662 From: Michael Kelly Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Re: On Resignations
Salvete!

I have belonged to many cultural societies over the years and currently my wife, Vibia Lucretia is on the board of directors for our Mexican association here in Alberta. These comings and goings seem to be par for the course and have to be taken in stride or everything falls apart for good. Some people remain members through thick and thin, never giving up whilst others will fly the coup if you look at them sideways or say the wrong thing.

Hence I've become a little more harder and immune over the years to resignations, apathy et al. As my wife's mom taught her think of friends and members as feathers on a chicken's back. Some will eventually fall off and blow away yet others will sprout up and fill in the patches.

Cheers and happy new year

QSP
----- Original Message -----
From: David Kling
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 3:17 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] On Resignations



Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus C. Mariae Caecae salutem dicit

It is sad to see citizens resign. Yesterday I had the sad task of informing
the senate that Cn. Equitius Marinus resigned from Nova Roma.

When people leave Nova Roma it leaves a "whole" in our community. One
resignation will often, as I have seen, lead to other resignations and often
seem unrelated. We, as a community, are getting smaller and smaller. Nova
Roma has a lot to offer and it is bothersome to see people leave.

This year has had problems for Nova Roma. I hope that next year will be
more auspicious.

Vale et valete;

Modianus

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 2:33 AM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

>
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
>
> It is always disheartening to see NR citizens resign ...but, perhaps,
> especially, to see our non North American citizens leave us. One of the
> things which attracted me to NR, and keeps me here, is our International
> character, and I hope, sincerely, that we do not lose that. I do, of course,
> wish those who have indicated their desire to leave NR all the best, and
> hope that they will find their way back "home", but I also hope that many
> will stay with us, and give our new Government the benefit of the doubt. NR
> has much to offer ...for all citizens, no matter where they live or what
> their native language might be; and, I think, and have always thought, that,
> if we are to build a truly functional Res Publica, it will of necessity, be
> international in character, containing, as did Roma Antiqua, a healthy
> diversity of cultures, represented by citizens from many places.
>
> I would like, also, at this time, to wish all a vey happy New year, filled
> with all good things.
>
> Valete,
> C. Maria Caeca, Cives
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82663 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Re: PIACVLVM PVBLICVM
L. Iulia Aquila pontifex Quiritibus S.P.D.

This morning under the sky after purification in white garments I, L. Iulia Aquila, pontifex Novae Romae, offered a Piaculum Publicum to our Gods for our Nova Roman Respublica in accordance to the decision of the CP:
Hail Iuppiter Optime Maxime, Hail Quirinus, Father of the City of Rome, Hail all Immortal Gods, by whichever Name, if something did not please You in the consulship of P Memmius K. Buteo II coss; these actions include the discord between the Consuls, any erroneous actions of the Tribunes, any erroneous actions taken in Your sacred divine names by the CP in the selfish interests of men, all that has been implemented against the laws of the Respublica or the tenets of the Religio in the names of You, the Gods of Rome, the People of Nova Roma, the Quirites, whether well-meaning or of ill-will, the sacred Vestal fire left with no Virgo Maxima to attend it and no Plebian Ludi held in November.
I humbly entreat You to forgive our most grievous failings and to forgive the citizens of Nova Roma without harm, to please be benevolent to our new Consuls and Magistrates so they may govern the Respublica successfully and also for divine guidance for the CP so they can successfully maintain the Pax Deorum.
I, Iulia Aquila, stand before you a new pontifex, ritually purified, and by the offering of wine in reparation for the errors of the past year 2010 humbly ask Your forgiveness for the Respublica and Her citizens.

Valete optime,

L. Iulia Aquila
Pontifex et Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
Pridie Kalendas Ianuarias P. Memmio K. Buteone II coss.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius Dexter pontifex omnibus Novis Romanis Quiritibus s.p.d.,
>
> 1/ According to the decretum pontificum de calendario Novo Romano today are the Civilia:
> "III. To fulfill the Vow of adding an additional *dies nefastus* to the official civil calendar, dies pristinus Kal. Ian. (31 December) was designated by the previous decretum pontificum as *dies nefastus*. This date shall remain dies nefastus and is now designated as feriae *Civilia*. Magistrates whose term of office is to conclude at the end of this day ought to perform private piacula for any offenses to the Gods that may have occurred during their year in office. Newly designated magistrates whose term of office shall begin on the following date, the Kalends of January, ought to also perform private piacula for their Lares, Penates, and to the Di superi for whose cultus they shall be responsible in the coming year. Public celebrations for Civilia shall be conducted by the pontifices to invite the Gods to bless the transition of imperium and auspicium between former and new magistrates. "
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Decretum_pontificum_de_calendario_Novo_Romano_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82664 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: CIVILIA: Piaculum Publicum Novae Romae
Cn. Lentulus pontifex, sacerdos Concordiae consulibus, Quiritibus s. p. d.


I announce you, Quirites of Nova Roma and consules P. Memmius and K. Buteo, that I have today performed the Public Piaculum on behalf of the Collegium Pontificum for the magistrates and for the entire republic.

I can not provide you with the text currently, but within some days I will be ablte to transcribe my papers into digital format.


Happy New Year to the Invincible and Glorious Nova Roma!

Felicem novum annum!

Valete!



Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
P O N T I F E X
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82665 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Happy new year
Salvete omnes,

My best wishes of a happy new year to everyone.

Valete optime bene.

C. Aemilius Crassus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82666 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Re: Happy new year
Aeternia C. Aemilio Crassio sal:

Happy to New Year to you as well Crassus, and to all the citizens of Nova
Roma.


Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 2:51 PM, C. Aemilius Crassus <
c.aemilius.crassus@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> My best wishes of a happy new year to everyone.
>
> Valete optime bene.
>
> C. Aemilius Crassus
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82667 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Kalends, 1/1/2011, 12:00 am
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Kalends
 
Date:   Saturday January 1, 2011
Time:   All Day
Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
Notes:   Every Kalends is sacred to Juno
"Be well, Queen Juno, look down and preserve us. Accept this offering
of incense and look kindly and favorably upon me and the Senate and
people of Nova Roma."
(Incense is placed in focus)

"Queen Juno, in addition to my virtuous offering of incense, be
honored by this offering of wine that I pour in libation. May you look
kindly and favorably upon the Senate and people of Nova Roma."
(Libation is poured for the Goddess)
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82668 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Happy New year
Salvete omnes

Here in Britannia it is now midnight, and the start of the New Year.

On behalf of all of us in the Province, I send our best wishes for a happy and peaceful new year to all citizens.

I send my personal greetings to all my colleagues, co-workers and friends within the Republic.

May the gods guard and guide your paths in the coming year.

Valete omnes
Crispus
Legatus pro praetore
Provincia Britanniae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82669 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Re: Happy New year
Salve Crispus et Salvete Omnes;

May the turn of the year bring us all better days, personally,
familialy and as a group...

It is just under 6 hours to midnight here, putting the shutter on a
year that has seen triumph and loss, health and illness, comradery and
discord.

May the latter of each pair be diminished and the former ubiquitous.

Vale et Valete - Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82670 From: Christer Edling Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: After ten years
Salvete Censores et Quirites!

According to Roman time it is a new year and my term as Consul has
ended. It is now time to turn a new page in my own Roman history and
move on.

After more than ten years as a citizen and a little less as a
magistrate and public figure (Governor, Curule Aedile, twice Consul,
Censor, Senator, Preinceps Senatus and many times Accensus) it is time
to evaluate this period. I entered Nova Roma to practise Romanitas. I
found it to be a very interesting organisation where I shared some
basic goals. But very soon I also found that I wanted to add a RL
dimension to the very internet-based relationships of the existing
Nova Roma. I wanted to work with projects like: Magna Mater, Academia
Thules, the European Conventions, Roman Times and local chapters
(municipiae) with RL meetings added. I wanted Nova Roma to be more
based on RL meetings and still keep the Internet-based contacts. I
also wanted Nova Roma to become an organization which would have a HQ
in Rome too. This year I made a last attempt to organize a Conventus
in Rome. Even though I tried hard, none of these attempts were long-
time successes, even though at times they showed good results and big
potential.

In my attempt to leave the 95% base on the Internet I looked for
people who shared these visions. Together with some friends and allies
I slowly saw a change coming to Nova Roma. But there were always
people who fought bitterly against this development. Still after a few
initial years the elections were more or less dominated by peope who
in one or the other degree shared this vision.

But on the "other side" there was the opposition and after many years
it became clear to me that this change would never be executed in Nova
Roma, not at least as long as I was part of the leadership. I have
tried to find some objective reasons for this failure and one has
stood out more than any other, that was the huge communication
problems that seemed to continue to exist. What ever my allies or I
proposed, there would always be some individuals, even some that I
counted as personal friends who would resist this vision, even if it
was presented very friendly and positive.

How did that come? In discussions with old friends in Nova Roma, one
reason that I already knew still was and is valid was suggested.
Except for some sad personal antagonism as one reason, we came to the
conclusion that many of these communication problems were based on
differences in language and culture. The same words seemed to have
different meanings depending on culture and language. It didn’t
necessary depend on country. it seemed as if even people from the same
country would not always understand each other.

We came to the conclusion that both most of “our side” and the
opposition thought what they said was non-provocing and easy to
understand, but in the ears and eyes of the "other side" it sounded
and seemed very destructive and negative. During the last few years we
tried to build bridges with some parts of the opposition in an attempt
to build bridges and a compromise. But in the end it seemed as if it
wasn't possible to get things right by continuing this way, the old
obstacles still are there and I doesn't seem to succeed in removing
them.

During the two last years I have said that I have been very tired and
not only the conflicts in Nova Roma are the reasons for this, there
are also other reasons, my age is one of them. I promised my dear
frater Senator Marcus Audens to not resign during my term, but to stay
true to my Consular oath. I have done so, but now when a new year has
begun and I am no longer bound by any oath, I feel free to act as my
conscience tell me to.

I have come to the end of my active time in Nova Roma. I have no
reason to try to hurt Nova Roma or those who decide to stay and work
here, so I will just resign as a Senator and citizen, thank all
citizens, opponents and my remaining friends and wish them well!

So will I disappear from the Roman arena? No I will not! Together with
others I will make an attempt to build a "Res Publica Romana" which
will share some of the ideals of Nova Roma, but which will try to
avoid some of its basic mistakes and try to turn more to RL activities.

All the best and a Happy New Year!

*****************

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Civis Romanus sum
Res Publica Romana
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82671 From: Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Re: After ten years
Salve C Fabius Buteo Quintilianus;

This is a sad note.

However life turns for you, may Bona Fortuna follow you.

Thank you for your service.

Please, keep an eye cast in our direction. I am in hopes that the New
Year will bring needed and rational changes, which will improve Nova
Roma for all her Cives.

May your life be long, but the days never become a burden.

Optime Vale - Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82672 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: Departures [was: Edictum propraetoris VIII, etc....]
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
>
> It is always disheartening to see NR citizens resign ...but, perhaps,
> especially, to see our non North American citizens leave us.
>
> ATS: To me, it is sadder when long-time citizens leave in disgust, no
> matter where they live, no matter what language is their native tongue, no
> matter what their walk in life. The greatest amount of churn will be with
> the newer members in most organizations; in NR, we have many who don¹t even
> complete the tirocinium.
>
> One of the things which attracted me to NR, and keeps me here, is our
> International character, and I hope, sincerely, that we do not lose that.
>
> ATS: So do I. It is wonderful to see so many people from all over the
> world joining us.
>
>
> I do, of course, wish those who have indicated their desire to leave NR all
> the best, and hope that they will find their way back "home", but I also hope
> that many will stay with us, and give our new Government the benefit of the
> doubt.
>
> NR has much to offer ...for all citizens, no matter where they live or what
> their native language might be; and, I think, and have always thought, that,
> if we are to build a truly functional Res Publica, it will of necessity, be
> international in character, containing, as did Roma Antiqua, a healthy
> diversity of cultures, represented by citizens from many places.
>
> ATS: Here I agree as well. Unfortunately we have a xenophobic contingent
> among us who think that English is the only suitable language, but I hope that
> NR will always be multilingual by origin and perhaps in practice as well. If
> not, there is this highly useful language universally used for communication
> among those who share no other common language...and it is not English.
>
>
>
>
> I would like, also, at this time, to wish all a vey happy New year, filled
> with all good things.
>
> ATS: Speremus, sed vereor ne aliter eveniat.
>
> Valete,
> C. Maria Caeca, Cives
>
> ATS: (red pen approaching) Dey is plural...you are a civis. We are
> cives...
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 82673 From: Cato Date: 2010-12-31
Subject: KALENDAS IANUARIIS
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est Kalendis Ianuariis; hic dies fastus est.

"See how Janus appears first in my song
To announce a happy year for you, Germanicus.
Two-headed Janus, source of the silently gliding year,
The only god who is able to see behind him,
Be favourable to the leaders, whose labours win
Peace for the fertile earth, peace for the seas:
Be favourable to the senate and Roman people,
And with a nod unbar the shining temples.
A prosperous day dawns: favour our thoughts and speech!
Let auspicious words be said on this auspicious day.
Let our ears be free of lawsuits then, and banish
Mad disputes now: you, malicious tongues, cease wagging!
See how the air shines with fragrant fire,
And Cilician grains crackle on lit hearths!
The flame beats brightly on the temple's gold,
And spreads a flickering light on the shrine's roof.
Spotless garments make their way to Tarpeian Heights,
And the crowd wear the colours of the festival:
Now the new rods and axes lead, new purple glows,
And the distinctive ivory chair feels fresh weight." - Ovid, Fasti I

"And after he had built the Temple of Vesta he built the Temple of
Ianus. As the God Ianus has two faces so this temple has two gates:
they stand open in time of war and are closed in time of peace. Very
seldom in later times were the gates of the Temple of Ianus shut, but
in Numa's time the gates were never seen open--no, not for a single
day: for the space of over two score years the gates were unopened." -
Padraig Colum, "Orpheus: Myths of the Underworld" (1937), "Numa the
Law-Giver"

"Janus also has a temple at Rome with double doors, which they call
the gates of war; for the temple always stands open in time of war,
but is closed when peace has come. The latter was a difficult matter,
and it rarely happened, since the realm was always engaged in some
war, as its increasing size brought it into collision with the
barbarous nations which encompassed it round about. But in the time of
Augustus it was closed, after he had overthrown Marc Antony; and
before that, when Marcus Atilius and Titus Manlius were consuls, it
was closed a short time; then war broke out again at once, and it was
opened." - Plutarch, Life of king Numa 20.1-2


The Kalends of Ianuarius are sacred (as is in fact the entire month) to the dual-faced god Ianus; Ianus is the god of comings and goings, of looking to the past and anticipating the future. The god Ianus has a distinctive appearance in art, as he is often depicted with two faces, called "Ianus Bifrons". Some sources claim that the reason Janus was represented in this peculiar fashion was due to the notion that doors and gates look in two directions. In this way, one of the god's faces could look forward, while the other looked backward.

The origins of this God vary somewhat, dependent upon the source.
One legend states that Ianus was a mortal who came from Thessaly
and was welcomed into Latium by Camese. The couple are said to have
married, shared the kingdom and had many children together, including
Tiberinus, the Tiber River-God. Upon the death of Camese, Ianus
became the sole ruler and granted Saturn sanctuary when that ancient
God was fleeing from Iuppiter. As the first King of Latium, Ianus
ensured a time of peace, honesty and abundance for his people...an era
known as the Golden Age. He introduced money, cultivation of the
fields and laws. He is also said to have later married a nymph named
Iuturna, whose spring and shrine were located closed to his temple in
the Forum of Rome. One of their children was Fons (also known as
Fontus), God of Springs. It was only after his death that Ianus was
deified and became the Protector of the City.

Ianus was well-respected and highly-regarded as a god by the ancient
Romans and his dual-faced image could be found on most city gates
and many Roman coins. Given his role as Guardian of Gates, his
position as the god of Beginnings and the esteem of having the first
month of the year named in his honor, it is apparent that Janus played
a significant role in Roman myth and religion. He was invoked at the
start of each new day and often referred to as the Porter (Doorkeeper) of Heaven - the "Ianitor Coeli". He particularly presided over all that is double-edged in life and represented the transition between the primitive and civilization.

The temple in the Argiletum consisted of two gates; the cult statue
was between them. It was a very ancient statue; the author Pliny the
Elder mentions it as proof that the sculptor's art existed in Italy in
times most ancient (Natural History 36.58). The god was portrayed with
two bearded heads. The fingers of his hands were placed in strange
positions, which Pliny interpreted as an indication of the number 355,
which he thought was a reference to the number of days of the oldest
Roman calendar.

The temple of the Argiletum with the Gates of War was not the only
place where the Romans worshipped Ianus. On the other side of the
Tiber, an altar was dedicated to this god on the 'hill of Ianus'
(Ianiculum). A second altar was erected on the hill Oppius, which
played a role in the ceremonies when a boy became a man. The consul
Marcus Duillius built a temple on the Vegetable Market (Forum
Holitorium), after his naval victory off Mylae (260 BCE). It was
rebuilt by the emperor Tiberius. In this temple, twelve altars were
erected, dedicated to the twelve months (one of them, Ianuarius, was
perhaps called after the god). Finally, there was the Arch of the
four-faced Ianus, "Ianus Quadrifons", at the Velabrum.


Valete bene and Happy New Year!

Cato