C. Equitius Cato consule omnibus in foro SPD

I thank Servilius Nerva, Flavius Severus and Marius Pullus in particular for their loyalty and staedfastness, and all the citizens of Nova Roman Sarmatia who stand by our Respublica. Just for general information, I post here the message I sent to Sarmatia:

____________________________________________________


C. Equitius Cato consule Novae Romanae omnibusque in Sarmatiae SPD

It is with great sadness that I read of the declaration by Titus Iunius Brutus, a citizen of Nova Roma, that he refuses to obey the Constitution and laws of the republic of Nova Roma, claiming an illegal title and defying the Senate and People of Nova Roma.

Cicero defined a Roman republic as a community which followed a common law and sought a common purpose. The two are indivisible elements - you cannot have one without the other and still function as a Roman republic. If we do not allow ourselves to be part of the larger community of those who respect the law, then we break the bond which binds us to each other under the law - even if we share a common purpose.

So to claim to want to build a Roman republic yet simply abandon those laws we do not want to obey because they are inconvenient is both a tragedy and foolishness.

A tragedy because it sets the stage for anyone, at any time, to simply decide they no longer want to obey this or that law and so they too will break away, abandoning the hope of progress that may have been made and creating smaller and smaller splintered pieces of what might have been a great and strong community.

Foolishness because no matter how important our own individual rights are to us - and believe me, there has been no stronger champion of individual citizens' rights than myself in Nova Roma - if we throw everything away because we don't get what we want when we want it, we will never be satisfied.

What happens if Titus Iunius Brutus decides two months from now that he does not like something else that someone has done in Sarmatia? Will he then begin issuing edicts as a "new" authority?

The Constitution of Nova Roma stands. The Senate and People of Nova Roma stand. The gods of Rome are honored in our midst. We would have the people of Sarmatia stand firm with us, unmoved by pretensions to power and authority that only the People of Nova Roma can legitimately give.

Long live the Republic.

Valete bene,

Gaius Equitius Cato

__________________________________________________


I applaud the loyalty of the Sarmatians.

Valete,

Cato

Cato Patronio Africano sal.

Welcome back!

Vale bene,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "GeorgeV" <gunney1976@...> wrote:
>
> Salve
> I Gaius Petronius Africanus am returning home to Nova Roma after a long period of absence. As a former Propraetor of America Austroccidentalis, I will be offering my services to the growth and betterment of Nova Roma.
>
> I will spend some time reviewing this forum to see what good things you have been doing.
>
> I will shortly report to the current Provincial Governor, the good Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus to see where I can do the most good for the Province.
>
> Vale
>
> C. Patronius Africanus
>

C. Petronius Dexter C. Petronio Africano s.p.d.,

Welcome Africane! It is strange but funny for me to greet another Petronius.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. XII Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.

C. Petronius Cn. Caesari s.p.d.,

You explained all my mind, with my "sardonic way", very well. It is a pity for me to not be able to write English like you do in order to explain the bottom of my minds.

Yes, when I knew the vicious reasons said to the augures by Piscinus about the accident of Caeca, the false fashion to use religion and gods for his own and in accordance with his story telling, as he did in the collegium pontificum and, last year, during his plot, I was so angry that I posted just another statement of fact, in prevention of a post of him (Piscinus) or of an augur saying thet gods punished Caeca. It was intolerable for me. The accident which happened to Caeca is an accident, it is not the issue of a Parentatio's celebration as said by Piscinus.

The "virgo vestalis parentat" on the Ides of February, it is acted on the Philocalus calendar, it was not a sin for Caeca to sacrifice and pray for the Parentalia on 13th February, even if Caeca was hurted by a car on 14th February. It was even sinless than the Piscinus analysis given to the augures.

So, I wanted to prevent any vicious analysis about that accident from Piscinus in stating that this accident's information too went in NR knowledge just after Piscinus posted a false story about the las year events, a false condamnation of the Gods against NR and an essay to catch our beloved pontiff Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.

It was a statement of fact used in the same logic that Piscinus openly used on the Augures list, because I was ready to fight against any false and criminal analysis, even of a former pontifex maximus, on the accident of our dear vestal, C. Maria Caeca.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. XII Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.

C. Petronius T. Nervae s.p.d.,

> We haven`t lost Sarmatia, we have lost Corvia.

Exactly! You are absolutely right, you, Sarmatian citizens of Nova Roma have to build another NR Sarmatia site with the help of the Senate and the consuls of Nova Roma in order to join again Nova Roma and get a civic, social and religious life into the republic with all of us accross our great organization.

You are not alone, we all are New Romans.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. XII Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.

Ex officio P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori consule

In accordance with, and acting under the authority of, the Senatus
Consultum regarding Appointment of Quaestors, which was passed by the
Senate of Nova Roma, I hereby announce that:

1. Quintus Fabius Maximus, having stepped forward, is appointed as a
Quaestor of Nova Roma and will be assigned to work with the Consul
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator.

2. Lucius Cornelius Cicero, having stepped forward, is appointed as a
Quaestor of Nova Roma and will be assigned to work with the Praetor
Gnaeus Iulius Caesar.

They shall be tasked to fulfill all duties and obligations of the
office of Quaestor and shall be fully vested in said office upon
taking of the proper Oath.

Given by my hand this twelfth day before the Kalends of March in the consulships
of P. Ullerius Venator and C. Equitius Cato

Salve T Servilius et salvete omnes;

Thank you for your report and views; they help to fill in the picture
so that people can better take a decision about what is occurring in
Sarmatia.

With the almost immediate feedback we can gain from this method of
communication, we sometime lose the idea of just how vast this world
of ours truly is...of how people we might think of as neighbors, may
be 100's, if not 1000's of stadia apart.

With the proliferation of English as a "Lingua Franca" in this method
of communication, we sometimes lose the idea of just how varied are
the tongues used in day-to-day, face-to-face interactions, not to
mention local customs, traditions, history, government and so forth.

With only having a dance of photons on a screen to gauge the who and
how of personalities in this method of communication, we sometimes
lose the idea that no "book" can be read, appreciated and understood
by looking only at the "cover."

I joined Nova Roma in July 1998 because I could see, in the future, a
realization of the grand dream of having an international community,
which was in truth, a dispersed national community of common ideals
and purpose, but enriched by the variety of human experience, which is
all of us.

We are young as a nation (in the broad sense of the word) and men and
women will come and go, but the core remains, in ourselves, in our
statements, in our laws, in our hopes and aspirations.

Onward...

Optime Vale - Venator

Fabio Cornelioque s.d.

Congratulations to our new quaestors Fabius and Cornelius !

Valete sincerely, et Consul maior.


P. Memmius Albucius
censor

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Ex officio P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori consule
>
> In accordance with, and acting under the authority of, the Senatus
> Consultum regarding Appointment of Quaestors, which was passed by the
> Senate of Nova Roma, I hereby announce that:
>
> 1. Quintus Fabius Maximus, having stepped forward, is appointed as a
> Quaestor of Nova Roma and will be assigned to work with the Consul
> Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator.
>
> 2. Lucius Cornelius Cicero, having stepped forward, is appointed as a
> Quaestor of Nova Roma and will be assigned to work with the Praetor
> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar.
>
> They shall be tasked to fulfill all duties and obligations of the
> office of Quaestor and shall be fully vested in said office upon
> taking of the proper Oath.
>
> Given by my hand this twelfth day before the Kalends of March in the consulships
> of P. Ullerius Venator and C. Equitius Cato
>

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XII Kalendas Martius; haec dies comitialis est.

"They feared, however, that when their league had been disbanded they
might either find their agreements ineffectual or might be harmed
through their separation, being arrested and punished one after
another on various pretexts. So they formed a compact to lend aid to
one another in case any one of them should be wronged in any
particular; and they took oaths to this effect and forthwith elected
from their own number two representatives,— and afterward still more,—
in order that each class might have a helper and avenger. And this
they did not once only, but the idea now conceived in this form kept
growing, and they appointed their representative for a year, as to
some office. The men were called in the tongue of the Latins tribuni,—
the same name that was given to the commanders of a thousand,— but
were styled demarchoi [leaders of the people] in the Greek language.
In order, however, to distinguish between the titles of the tribunes,
they added in the one case the phrase "of the soldiers," and in the
other the phrase "of the people." Now these tribunes of the people (or
demarchoi) became responsible for great evils that befell Rome. For
though they did not immediately secure the title of magistrates, they
gained power beyond all others, defending every one who begged
protection and rescuing every one who called upon them not only from
private individuals, but from the very magistrates, except the
dictators. If any one ever invoked them when absent, he, too, was
released from the person holding him prisoner and was either brought
before the populace by them or was set free. And if ever they saw fit
that anything should not be done, they prevented it, whether the
person acting were a private citizen or a magistrate; and if the
populace or the senate was about to do or to vote anything and a
single tribune opposed it, the action or the vote became null and
void. As time went on, they were allowed, or allowed themselves, to
summon the senate, to punish anybody who disobeyed them, to practise
divination, and to hold court. And in the case of anything that was
unlawful for them to do, they gained their point by their
incontestable opposition to every project undertaken by others. For
they introduced laws to the effect that whoever should obstruct them
by deed or word, be he private citizen or magistrate, should be
"devoted" and under a curse. This being "devoted" meant destruction;
for this was the term applied to everything that was consecrated, like
a victim, for slaughter. The tribunes themselves were termed by the
multitude sacrosanct, since they served as sacred walls, so to speak,
for the shelter of such as invoked them; for sacra among the Romans
means "walls," and sancta "sacred." Many of their actions were
unwarrantable, for they threw even consuls into prison and put men to
death without granting them a hearing. Nobody ventured to oppose them;
or, in case anyone did, he himself became "devoted." If, however,
persons were not condemned by all the tribunes, they would call to
their help those who had not concurred in the verdict, and so were
given a regular trial before the tribunes themselves or before a jury
or before the populace, and were subject to the deciding vote. In the
course of time the number of the tribunes was fixed at ten, and as a
result of this most of their power was overthrown." - Cassius Dio,
"Roman History" VI.15

"The next day Brutus and those who had been sent with him returned,
having effected the agreement with the senate through the arbiters of
peace who are called by the Romans fetiales. And the people, dividing
themselves into the clans of that day, or whatever one wishes to term
the divisions which the Romans call curiae, chose for their annual
magistrates the following persons: Lucius Junius Brutus and Gaius
Sicinius Bellutus, whom they had had as their leaders up to that time,
and, in addition to these, Gaius and Publius Licinius and Gaius
Visellius Ruga. These five persons were the first who received the
tribunician power, on the fourth day before the ides of December, as
is the custom even to our time. The election being over, the envoys of
the senate considered that everything for which they had been sent was
now properly settled. But Brutus, calling the plebeians together,
advised them to render this magistracy sacred and inviolable, insuring
its security by both a law and an oath. This was approved of by all,
and a law was drawn up by him and his colleagues, as follows: "Let no
one compel a tribune of the people, as if he were an ordinary person,
to do anything against his will; let no one whip him or order another
to whip him; and let no one kill him or order another to kill him. If
anybody shall do any one of these things that are forbidden, let him
be accursed and let his goods be consecrated to Ceres; and if anybody
shall kill one who has done any of these things, let him be guiltless
of murder." And to the end that the people might not even in future
p123be at liberty to repeal this law, but that it might forever remain
unalterable, it was ordained that all the Romans should solemnly swear
over the sacrificial victims to observe it for all time, both they and
their posterity; and a prayer was added to the oath that the heavenly
gods and the divinities of the lower world might be propitious to
those who observed it, and that the displeasure of the gods and
divinities might be visited upon those who violated it, as being
guilty of the greatest sacrilege. From this the custom arose among the
Romans of regarding the persons of the tribunes of the people as
sacrosanct, which custom continues to this day." - Dionysius of
Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" VI.89

Valete bene!

Cato

Ex officio Gaii Equiti Catoni consulis

In accordance with, and acting under the authority of, the Senatus
Consultum regarding Appointment of Quaestors, which was passed by the
Senate of Nova Roma, I hereby announce that:

Titus Flavius Severus is appointed quaestor of Nova Roma and will be assigned to work with the consul Gaius Equitius Cato.

He shall be tasked to fulfill all duties and obligations of the
office of quaestor and shall be fully vested in said office upon
taking of the proper oath.

Given by my hand this twelfth day before the Kalends of Martias in the consulships of P. Ullerius Venator and C. Equitius Cato.

Salve Fabio et Cornelioque

Congratulations to you both on your appointment as new quaestors. May the Gods fare thee well in your service.

Valete bene!

C. Petronius Africanus

Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

As I was able to call the hospital this morning on my 15 minute break.

Caeca is still in stable condition yet on breathing machine, the bone doctors will be coming in today to change the dressing on her left arm, and she will be given a liquid nutrition supplement via a tube.


We must continue to pray for her, thank you again for all those who have sent positive wishes.

Meanwhile, I will be returning the toils of planning the Ludi, expect an Official announcement tentatively within the next couple of days. Citizens forgive us, we have had a shock in the CA Cohors, but we are staying true to the course for Caeca would want us to do so.

Vale quam Optime,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia

I, Wsewolod Mamaev / Titus Flavius Severus do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Titus Flavius Severus swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Wsewolod Mamaev / Titus Flavius Severus swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Wsewolod Mamaev / Titus Flavius Severus swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Wsewolod Mamaev / Titus Flavius Severus further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of quaestor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


T. Fl. Severus

Aeterniae aed. s.d.

Thanks for these last precious news. Please go on keeping us
aware. :-)

Vale sincerely,


P. Memmius Albucius
censor

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.
>
> As I was able to call the hospital this morning on my 15 minute break.
>
> Caeca is still in stable condition yet on breathing machine, the bone doctors will be coming in today to change the dressing on her left arm, and she will be given a liquid nutrition supplement via a tube.
>
>
> We must continue to pray for her, thank you again for all those who have sent positive wishes.
>
> Meanwhile, I will be returning the toils of planning the Ludi, expect an Official announcement tentatively within the next couple of days. Citizens forgive us, we have had a shock in the CA Cohors, but we are staying true to the course for Caeca would want us to do so.
>
> Vale quam Optime,
> Statia Cornelia Aeternia
>

I, Michael Campbell Coetzee/Lucius Cornelius Cicero do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Cornelius Cicero swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Michael Campbell Coetzee/Lucius Cornelius Cicero, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Michael Campbell Coetzee/Lucius Cornelius Cicero, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Michael Campbell Coetzee/Lucius Cornelius Cicero further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of quaestor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Lucius Cornelius Cicero

It's funny how those who proclaim to be so passionate about the res publica are so quick to declare themselves, in the old parlance, rebels and traitors. For how else would our ancient Roman forebears have seen it when a province, a colony or a citizen were to unilaterally declare not only its independence but also that it was usurping the authority of the legally and sacrally elected government of the republic?

To not even speak of the religious implications.

Cicero

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lupus Appius Furius" <aflupus@...> wrote:
>
> After discussing latest circumstances on Municipal Comitia all citizens of Poltava municipium (19) declare their dissolution from NR Inc. We invest many time and money into revival of Rome and we can not afford ourselves to waist our resources. And, although sadly, we must state that coopration with NR Inc. has become nothing more than waisting of time.
> Our Municipium will collectively join ResPublica Romana to continue building the Rome in real life.
> Personal letters to Censores will follow
>
> Ap. Fvrivs Lvpvs
> L. Cassia Dives
> L. Cassivs Festvs
> D. Ivlivs Albvs
> T. Ivnivs Brvtvs
> M. Octavivs Nero
> N. Arrivs Pictor
> T. Grativs Triarivs
> Qvintvs Fvrivs Bvteo
> Ti. Ivnivs Crassvs
> Ti. Grativs Triarivs (minor)
> T. Ivnivs Brvtvs (minor)
> G. Lvcia Severa
> G. Sergia Flora
> M. Flavia Silana
> Q. Corvncanivs Asper
> G. Fvrivs Bvteo
> T. Flavivs Cotto
> V. Avrelia Flora
>

And, I bet most if not all of them were not even tax payers.

Vale,

Sulla

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:24 PM, lucius_cornelius_cicero
<Cicero@...>wrote:

>
>
> It's funny how those who proclaim to be so passionate about the res publica
> are so quick to declare themselves, in the old parlance, rebels and
> traitors. For how else would our ancient Roman forebears have seen it when a
> province, a colony or a citizen were to unilaterally declare not only its
> independence but also that it was usurping the authority of the legally and
> sacrally elected government of the republic?
>
> To not even speak of the religious implications.
>
> Cicero
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lupus Appius Furius" <aflupus@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > After discussing latest circumstances on Municipal Comitia all citizens
> of Poltava municipium (19) declare their dissolution from NR Inc. We invest
> many time and money into revival of Rome and we can not afford ourselves to
> waist our resources. And, although sadly, we must state that coopration with
> NR Inc. has become nothing more than waisting of time.
> > Our Municipium will collectively join ResPublica Romana to continue
> building the Rome in real life.
> > Personal letters to Censores will follow
> >
> > Ap. Fvrivs Lvpvs
> > L. Cassia Dives
> > L. Cassivs Festvs
> > D. Ivlivs Albvs
> > T. Ivnivs Brvtvs
> > M. Octavivs Nero
> > N. Arrivs Pictor
> > T. Grativs Triarivs
> > Qvintvs Fvrivs Bvteo
> > Ti. Ivnivs Crassvs
> > Ti. Grativs Triarivs (minor)
> > T. Ivnivs Brvtvs (minor)
> > G. Lvcia Severa
> > G. Sergia Flora
> > M. Flavia Silana
> > Q. Corvncanivs Asper
> > G. Fvrivs Bvteo
> > T. Flavivs Cotto
> > V. Avrelia Flora
> >
>
>
>

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Salve C. Petronius Dexter,

Thank you for welcoming me to the family. 

C. Petronius Afrianus

--- On Thu, 2/17/11, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

From: petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Returning Home to Nova Roma
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 9:16 PM







 









C. Petronius Dexter C. Petronio Africano s.p.d.,



Welcome Africane! It is strange but funny for me to greet another Petronius.



Optime vale.



C. Petronius Dexter

Arcoiali scribebat

a. d. XII Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.

























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Gaius Tullius Valerianus Gaio Petronio Africano S.P.D.

Welcome home! How long have you been gone? Always glad to see citizens come
back from extended absences (I've been on a few of those myself, over the
years).

Vale!

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:04 PM, GeorgeV <gunney1976@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve
> I Gaius Petronius Africanus am returning home to Nova Roma after a long
> period of absence. As a former Propraetor of America Austroccidentalis, I
> will be offering my services to the growth and betterment of Nova Roma.
>
> I will spend some time reviewing this forum to see what good things you
> have been doing.
>
> I will shortly report to the current Provincial Governor, the good Quintus
> Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus to see where I can do the most good for
> the Province.
>
> Vale
>
> C. Patronius Africanus
>
>
>


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I, Quintus Fabius Maximus/ Stephen Francis Phenow, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Fabius Maximus/SFP swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Quintus Fabius Maximus/SFP, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Quintus Fabius Maximus/SFP swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Quintus Fabius Maximus/SFP further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of quaestor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Citizen: Quintus Fabius Maximus
BoD Member: Stephen Francis Phenow
　
Sent from my Verizon BlackBerry





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Salve,
I first joined in 1998 and left in 2002 for family health problems.  At that time I was known as C. Africanus Secundus Germanicus, which is no longer  valid. I hope to be more active again

Vale!

--- On Fri, 2/18/11, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:

From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Returning Home to Nova Roma
To: "Nova-Roma" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 2:27 PM

Gaius Tullius Valerianus Gaio Petronio Africano S.P.D.

Welcome home! How long have you been gone? Always glad to see citizens come
back from extended absences (I've been on a few of those myself, over the
years).

Vale!

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:04 PM, GeorgeV <gunney1976@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve
> I Gaius Petronius Africanus am returning home to Nova Roma after a long
> period of absence. As a former Propraetor of America Austroccidentalis, I
> will be offering my services to the growth and betterment of Nova Roma.
>
> I will spend some time reviewing this forum to see what good things you
> have been doing.
>
> I will shortly report to the current Provincial Governor, the good Quintus
> Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus to see where I can do the most good for
> the Province.
>
> Vale
>
> C. Patronius Africanus
>
> 
>


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Ave!

I remember you!!!! If I recall your family was in NR there was like 6 or 7
of your clan in Utah I believe?

Vale,

Sulla

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:38 PM, George Vandewater <gunney1976@...>wrote:

>
>
> Salve,
> I first joined in 1998 and left in 2002 for family health problems. At
> that time I was known as C. Africanus Secundus Germanicus, which is no
> longer valid. I hope to be more active again
>
> Vale!
>
> --- On Fri, 2/18/11, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <
> gaius.tullius.valerianus@...> wrote:
>
> From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Returning Home to Nova Roma
> To: "Nova-Roma" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 2:27 PM
>
>
> Gaius Tullius Valerianus Gaio Petronio Africano S.P.D.
>
> Welcome home! How long have you been gone? Always glad to see citizens come
> back from extended absences (I've been on a few of those myself, over the
> years).
>
> Vale!
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:04 PM, GeorgeV <gunney1976@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salve
> > I Gaius Petronius Africanus am returning home to Nova Roma after a long
> > period of absence. As a former Propraetor of America Austroccidentalis, I
> > will be offering my services to the growth and betterment of Nova Roma.
> >
> > I will spend some time reviewing this forum to see what good things you
> > have been doing.
> >
> > I will shortly report to the current Provincial Governor, the good
> Quintus
> > Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus to see where I can do the most good
> for
> > the Province.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > C. Patronius Africanus
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Salve Albucius,

Thank you Censor.

Vale,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusalbucius" <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> Aeterniae aed. s.d.
>
> Thanks for these last precious news. Please go on keeping us
> aware. :-)
>
> Vale sincerely,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> censor
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> >
> > Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.
> >
> > As I was able to call the hospital this morning on my 15 minute break.
> >
> > Caeca is still in stable condition yet on breathing machine, the bone doctors will be coming in today to change the dressing on her left arm, and she will be given a liquid nutrition supplement via a tube.
> >
> >
> > We must continue to pray for her, thank you again for all those who have sent positive wishes.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I will be returning the toils of planning the Ludi, expect an Official announcement tentatively within the next couple of days. Citizens forgive us, we have had a shock in the CA Cohors, but we are staying true to the course for Caeca would want us to do so.
> >
> > Vale quam Optime,
> > Statia Cornelia Aeternia
> >
>

I am new to NR and after reading the emails i am confused. Could someone explain it to me, It appears that due to infighting 19 NR citizens are leaving?

Metellus

--- On Fri, 2/18/11, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: CIVES OF MVNICIPIVM POLTAVA ARE LEAVING NR INC.
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "lucius_cornelius_cicero" <Cicero@...>
Received: Friday, February 18, 2011, 3:26 PM

And, I bet most if not all of them were not even tax payers.

Vale,

Sulla

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:24 PM, lucius_cornelius_cicero
<Cicero@...>wrote:

>
>
> It's funny how those who proclaim to be so passionate about the res publica
> are so quick to declare themselves, in the old parlance, rebels and
> traitors. For how else would our ancient Roman forebears have seen it when a
> province, a colony or a citizen were to unilaterally declare not only its
> independence but also that it was usurping the authority of the legally and
> sacrally elected government of the republic?
>
> To not even speak of the religious implications.
>
> Cicero
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lupus Appius Furius" <aflupus@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > After discussing latest circumstances on Municipal Comitia all citizens
> of Poltava municipium (19) declare their dissolution from NR Inc. We invest
> many time and money into revival of Rome and we can not afford ourselves to
> waist our resources. And, although sadly, we must state that coopration with
> NR Inc. has become nothing more than waisting of time.
> > Our Municipium will collectively join ResPublica Romana to continue
> building the Rome in real life.
> > Personal letters to Censores will follow
> >
> > Ap. Fvrivs Lvpvs
> > L. Cassia Dives
> > L. Cassivs Festvs
> > D. Ivlivs Albvs
> > T. Ivnivs Brvtvs
> > M. Octavivs Nero
> > N. Arrivs Pictor
> > T. Grativs Triarivs
> > Qvintvs Fvrivs Bvteo
> > Ti. Ivnivs Crassvs
> > Ti. Grativs Triarivs (minor)
> > T. Ivnivs Brvtvs (minor)
> > G. Lvcia Severa
> > G. Sergia Flora
> > M. Flavia Silana
> > Q. Corvncanivs Asper
> > G. Fvrivs Bvteo
> > T. Flavivs Cotto
> > V. Avrelia Flora
> >
>
> 
>


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Salve Metelle,

Some answers you can find here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/83152

Vale!
Severus

> I am new to NR and after reading the emails i am confused. Could someone explain it to me, It appears that due to infighting 19 NR citizens are leaving?
>
> Metellus

Q. Valerius omnibus sal.

You know, I just don't get it. They said that the relationship was vain, but I don't recognize any of their names. Say what you want about Piscinus, the Buteones, Iulia Aquila, even Titus Aquila, but at least I recognized their names and they were active. But for the inactive to call out inaction is nothing short than the pot calling the kettle black.

Valete.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "T. Fl. Severus" <warbozz@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Metelle,
>
> Some answers you can find here:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/83152
>
> Vale!
> Severus
>
>
> > I am new to NR and after reading the emails i am confused. Could someone explain it to me, It appears that due to infighting 19 NR citizens are leaving?
> >
> > Metellus
>

Ave,

On a different thought, how do we not know they were different individuals? I am sure most of us remember the sockpuppet consul compy?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 18, 2011, at 5:58 PM, "qvalerius" <q.valerius.poplicola@...> wrote:

> Q. Valerius omnibus sal.
>
> You know, I just don't get it. They said that the relationship was vain, but I don't recognize any of their names. Say what you want about Piscinus, the Buteones, Iulia Aquila, even Titus Aquila, but at least I recognized their names and they were active. But for the inactive to call out inaction is nothing short than the pot calling the kettle black.
>
> Valete.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "T. Fl. Severus" <warbozz@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Metelle,
> >
> > Some answers you can find here:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/83152
> >
> > Vale!
> > Severus
> >
> >
> > > I am new to NR and after reading the emails i am confused. Could someone explain it to me, It appears that due to infighting 19 NR citizens are leaving?
> > >
> > > Metellus
> >
>
>


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Cn. Iulius Caesar Praetor sal.

A gentle reminder, please sign your posts so that it is completely clear, especially in posts containing a thread of other comments, who is writing. It is one of the few stipulations on format this year, so let's all stick to it.

Optime valete

From the office of
Legatus Pro Praetore
of the
GREAT NOVA ROMA PROVINCIA
of
AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS
Gaius Aquillius Rota


We follow the frightening news about our beloved and faithful member of
Nova Roma Maria Caeca. In the name of the entire Province and its
residents, I and my familia do greatly regret this unfortunate
accident. My family and I do urge every citizen to include her in
prayers and good,
positive thought so that Maria will have all our spiritual support to
recover fast and completely.
Also in the name of the praetorial staff, I want to express my deepest
regret for the hopefully time limited loss of our so active Prefectus
for the
U.S. States of Georgia and Alabama.
Thanks to all the postings keeping us updated about her condition!

May the Gods protect her and bless her with a full recovery ! We
await you back Caeca!

C.AQV.ROTA
LEG.PR.PR.PROV.A-Ae


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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XI Kalendas Martias; haec dies comitialis est.

"For a time quiet and silence prevailed in both armies, and then there
was shouting by both sides together and alternate exhortations to the
combatants; and there were vows and lamentations and continual
expressions of every other emotion experienced in battle, some of them
caused by what was either being enacted or witnessed by each side, and
others by their apprehensions of the outcome; and the things they
imagined outnumbered those which actually were happening. For it was
impossible to see very clearly, owing to the great distance, and the
partiality of each side for their own champions interpreted everything
that passed to match their desire; then, too, the frequent advances
and retreats of the combatants and their many sudden countercharges
rendered any accurate judgment out of the question; and this situation
lasted a considerable time. For the champions on both sides not only
were alike in strength of body but were well matched also in nobility
of spirit, and they had their entire bodies protected by the choicest
armour, leaving no part exposed which if wounded would bring on swift
death. So that many, both of the Romans and of the Albans, from their
eager rivalry and from their partiality for their own champions, were
unconsciously putting themselves in the position of the combatants and
desired rather to be actors in the drama that was being enacted than
spectators. At last the eldest of the Albans, closing with his
adversary and giving and receiving blow after blow, happened somehow
to run his sword thru the Roman's groin. The latter was already
stupefied from his other wounds, and now receiving this final low, a
mortal one, he fell down dead, his limbs no longer supporting him.
5When the spectators of the combat saw this they all cried out
together, the Albans as already victorious, the Romans as vanquished;
for they concluded that their two champions would be easily dispatched
by the three Albans. In the meantime, the Roman who had fought by the
side of the fallen champion, seeing the Alban rejoicing in his
success, quickly rushed upon him, and after inflicting many wounds and
receiving many himself, happened to plunge his sword into his neck and
killed him. After Fortune had thus in a short time made a great
alteration both in the state of the combatants and in the feelings of
the spectators, and the Romans had now recovered from their former
dejection while the Albans had had their joy snatched away, another
shift of Fortune, by giving a check to the success of the Romans, sunk
their hopes and raised the confidence of their enemies. For when Alban
fell, his brother who stood next to him closed with the Roman who had
struck him down; and each, as it chanced, gave the other a dangerous
wound at the same time, the Alban plunging his sword down through the
Roman's back into his bowels, and the Roman throwing himself under the
shield of his adversary and slashing one of his thighs." - Dionysius
of Halicarnassus 3.19


Today the Sun enters the zodiacal Sign of Pisces. According to one
version in Greek mythology, this constellation represents fish into
which Aphrodite and Eros transformed in order to escape the monstrous
Typhon. The two fishes are often depicted tied together with a cord,
to make sure they do not lose one another.


On this day in A.D. 356 the emperor Constantius II ordered all pagan
temples in the empire closed. He was born in Sirmium (in Illyricum)
and when his father died in 337, he led the massacre of his relatives
decended from the second marriage of Constantius I Chlorus and
Theodora, leaving himself, his older brother Constantine II, his
younger brother Constans and two cousins (Julian "the Apostate" and
his brother Gallus) as the only surviving adult males related to
Constantine. The three brothers divided the Roman Empire between them
according to their father's will. Constantine II received Britain,
Gaul and Spain; Constans ruled Italy, Africa, and the Illyrian
provinces; and Constantius ruled Constantinople and the East.

This division changed when Constantine II died in 340, trying to
overthrow Constans in Italy, and Constans become sole ruler in the
Western half of the empire. The division changed once more in 350 when
Constans was killed in battle by forces loyal to the usurper
Magnentius. Until this time Constantius was preoccupied with fighting
the Sassanid Empire, and he was forced to elevate his cousin Gallus to
Caesar to assist him while he turned his attention to this usurper.

Constantius eventually met and crushed Magnentius in the Battle of
Mursa Major, one of the bloodiest battles in Roman history, in 351.
Magnentius committed suicide in 353, and Constantius soon after put
his cousin Gallus to death. However, he still could not handle the
military affairs of both the Eastern and German frontiers by himself,
so in 355 he elevated his last remaining relative, Julian, to Caesar.
Constantius II then visited Rome in the spring of AD 357 and then
moved north to campaign against the Sarmatians, Suevi and the Quadi
along the Danube. But it wasn't long before once again he was needed
in the east, where the Persian king Sapor II had broken the peace yet
again. Although in his last war Sapor II been repulsed in his attacks
on the fortress cities of Mesopotamia then this time he was to meet
with some success. Amida and Singara both fell to his armies in AD 359.

Hard pushed by the Parthian assault, Constantius II asked Julian to
send some of his western troops as reinforcements. But Julian's
solders simply refused to obey. They suspected in this demand only
Constantius II's jealousy toward Julian's success in the west. The
soldiers believed that Constantius II sought only to weaken Julian, so
that he could deal with him with greater ease, once he had brought the
Persian war to an end. These suspicions were not without foundation,
as Julian's military successes in the west did indeed win him little
else but the ill will of his emperor. So much so, that it is possible
that designs on Julian's life were being made at the time. Instead of
complying with their emperor's orders they proclaimed Julian Augustus.
Julian, whilst reluctant to take the throne, accepted. As Julian was
hailed Augustus by the army in Gaul, Constantius saw no alternative
but to face the usurper with violent force. As the two armies sought
engagement, Constantius died from a fever near Tarsus on November 3,
361, and Julian was hailed Augustus in the whole of the Roman empire.

Valete bene!

Cato

Salvete omnes

Coming conveniently shortly before the screening of the new "The Eagle" film here in Britain, today's London Daily Mail has a headline proclaiming that the mystery of the Ninth's disappearance has been solved.

The evidence for this revelation seems, shall we say, er, rather thin.

However, the piece does focus on the link, which we have made here before, between Rosemary Sutcliff's 1956 novel "The Eagle of the Ninth" and the new film.

The comments, all 44 of them at the last count, are worth looking at. Some are, well, interesting would be a good word. Others suggest that there are still potential candidates for citizenship of Nova Roma out there in Britannia, if only we can get to them.

The comments also usefully cover some of the rather unexpected slants the producers have introduced into their film.

Here is the link to the Daily Mail piece.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1358700/As-Hollywood-film-dramatises-ancient-tale-2-000-year-riddle-Romes-lost-Ninth-Legion-solved-last.html

Valete omnes
Crispus

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodie est ante diem X Kalendas Martias; hic dies fastus est.

"The one who had received the mortal wound died instantly, and the
other, who had been wounded in the thigh, was scarcely able to stand,
but limped and frequently leaned upon his shield. Nevertheless, he
still made a show of resistance and with his surviving brother
advanced against the Roman, who stood his ground; and they surrounded
him, one coming up to him from in front and the other from behind.
The Roman, fearing that, being thus surrounded by them and obliged to
fight with two adversaries attacking him from two sides, he might
easily be overcome — he was still uninjured — hit upon the plan of
separating his enemies and fighting each one singly. he thought he
could most easily separate them by feigning flight; for then he would
not be pursued by both the Albans, but only by one of them, since he
saw that the other no longer had control of his limbs. With this
thought in mind he fled as fast as he could; and it was his good
fortune not to be disappointed in his expectation. For the Alban who
was not mortally wounded followed at his heels, while the other, being
unable to keep going was falling altogether too far behind. Then
indeed the Albans encouraged their men and the Romans reproached their
champion with cowardice, the former singing songs of triumph and
crowning themselves with garlands as if the contest were already won,
and the others lamenting as if Fortune would never raise them up
again. But the Roman, having carefully waited for his opportunity,
turned quickly and, before the Alban could put himself on his guard,
struck him a blow on the arm with his sword and clove his elbow in
twain, and when his hand fell to the ground together with his sword,
he struck one more blow, a mortal one, and dispatched the Alban; then,
rushing from him to the last of his adversaries, who was half dead and
fainting, he slew him also. And taking the spoils from the bodies of
his cousins, he hastened to the city, wishing to give his father the
first news of his victory." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.20



"Let us now praise famous men, and our fathers in their
generations...There were those who ruled in their kingdoms, and were
men renowned for their power, giving counsel by their understanding,
and proclaiming prophecies; leaders of the people in their
deliberations and in understanding of learning for the people, wise in
their words of instruction; those who composed musical tunes, and set
forth verses in writing; rich men furnished with resources, living
peaceably in their habitations -- all these were honored in their
generations, and were the glory of their times. There are some of them
who have left a name, so that men declare their praise. And there are
some who have no memorial, who have perished as though they had not
lived; they have become as though they had not been born, and so have
their children after them. But these were men of mercy, whose
righteous deeds have not been forgotten... Their posterity will
continue for ever, and their glory will not be blotted out. Their
bodies were buried in peace, and their name lives to all generations."
- The Wisdom of Jesus the son of Sirach (Ecclesiasticus) 44:1-10, 13-14


Valete bene!

Cato

Salve

FYI

Vale

Paulinus



To: explorator@yahoogroups.com; BRITARCH@...
From: rogueclassicist@...
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:03:47 -0500
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Thanks to Arthur Shippee, Dave Sowdon, Adrienne Mayor,
Diana Wright,Andrew Szegedy-Maszak, Dorothy Lobel King,
Donna Hurst, Edward Rockstein, Rick Heli, Patrick Swan,
Hernan Astudillo,Kurt Theis, Jennifer Cosham,
John McMahon, Barnea Selavan, Joseph Lauer, Bob Skiles,
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... one more week ... just news items this time around:

Early in the week we were hearing revised lists of what was missing and what
has been recovered:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=44858

The small statue of Akhenaten was recovered:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=44974
http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=45068
http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/priceless-pharoah-statue-found-near-garbage-can.html
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2011/02/17/egypt_museum_recovers_ancient_statue
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/321740
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/02/17/general-ml-egypt-antiquities_8313529.html
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/egypts-antiquities-minister-says-valuable-statue-found/
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/5808/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/Missing-Akhnaten-statue-found,-returned-by-AUC-pro.aspx
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030310,00.html

... as were a couple of other items:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/5593/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/Looted-artifacts-from-Egyptian-museum-found.aspx
http://www.northernstar.com.au/story/2011/02/17/three-missing-egypt-antiquities-found/
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/16/egypt-antiquities-chief-missing-objects/
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hffVCRJqdFX6q4gutQl5RYiknGtA?docId=5968776
http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory?id=12928624
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=4&article_id=124884

... but alas, we're also hearing of more looting:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/~/NewsContent/9/40/5816/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/More-breakins-at-Egypts-archaeological-sites-repor.aspx
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/egyptian-archeological-sites-were-looted-says-antiquities-minister/
http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/news/chiefeditor/2011/02/egypt-confirms-saqqara-looting.html

Most of the touristy places should be opening today:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=45106
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/02/17/egypt.tourist.sites/?hpt=T2
http://www.dailyindia.com/show/425523.php
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hy_V2VqYhHBAhqDnI6yl8gtNvS1A?docId=45b678e5dfa4493e9662b9399b635dcb

Zahi Hawass was the target of some of the protesting this week:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=44987
http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE71G03K20110217
http://bikyamasr.com/wordpress/?p=27230
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41610889/ns/technology_and_science-science/
http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/news/chiefeditor/2011/02/archaeologists-mob-egypt-antiquities-ministry.html

... which started the press a-speculating:

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/0214/Is-Indiana-Jones-the-next-victim-of-Egypt-s-revolution
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20110219/sc_livescience/egyptsindianajonesatcenterofarchaeologyuproar

... and just this a.m. he seems to be starting a campaign of using his two
facebook pages
as a place to show his accomplishments by posting a number of videos:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Zahi-Hawass/112384738789408
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1629846793
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Another take on human evolution:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110217141307.htm

... and earliest humans weren't too different from us, apparently:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-02/uocp-ehn021411.php
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110214201850.htm

Now we are told that Oetzi had brown eyes, not blue:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1998300/oetzi_the_iceman_had_brown_eyes_not_blue/index.html

... and to celebrate the 20th anniversary of his rediscovery, they've done a
new 3d reconstruction of him:

http://www.iceman.it/en/node/226
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-iceman-oetzi-20th-anniversary.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i4883L_nydGLPqMuZ5dTbcHoRuWw?docId=CNG.ebe418f776b796d7181bfac7af8f16d1.3c1

Feature on the first Neanderthals:

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/portada/primos/Neandertales/elpepusoceps/20110213elpepspor_8/Tes
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Plenty of coverage for the purpose of some prosthetic toes found attached to
mummies:

http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/mummy-fake-toes-were-earliest-prosthetics.html
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-mummies-false-toes-ancient-egyptians.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-02/uom-mft021111.php
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110213192335.htm
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2011/02/14/Mummys-toe-may-have-been-1st-prosthesis/UPI-94831297736004/
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/02/14/false-toes-mummies-helped-ancient-egyptians-walk/
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20119-mummies-false-toes-put-a-spring-in-amputees-step.html
http://www.france24.com/en/20110214-egyptian-mummys-big-toe-oldest-known-prosthesis

Hype for a tv show finding parallels between ancient Egypt and modern times
(or something like that):

http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/feb/14/02-14-off-beat-hed-ehergege/

Pondering the purpose of Jericho's 'cosmic tower':

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-02/afot-wfs021711.php
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1999108/jericho_tower_was_a_monument_to_intimidation/index.html
http://www.livescience.com/12918-tower-jericho-hunter-gatherer-monument.html
http://www.jpost.com/ArtsAndCulture/Entertainment/Article.aspx?id=208206

Pondering climate change and Tell el-Hammam:

http://www.unreportedheritagenews.com/2011/02/how-did-they-survive-new-research-shows.html

More on Zechariah's tomb (they've added a video to previous coverage):

http://www.jpost.com/VideoArticles/Article.aspx?id=206452

Feature on the pharoahs:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/feb/19/pharaohs-dynasties-ian-sansom

Feature on Acco/Acre:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/10000

More on the Arabian Gulf as cradle of civilization:

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=415779&version=1&template_id=36&parent_id=16
Egyptology News Blog:

http://egyptology.blogspot.com/

Egyptology Blog:

http://www.egyptologyblog.co.uk/

Dr Leen Ritmeyer's Blog:

http://blog.ritmeyer.com/

Paleojudaica:

http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/

Persepolis Fortification Archives:

http://persepolistablets.blogspot.com/

Archaeologist at Large:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/ArchaeologyinEgypt/
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ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME (AND CLASSICS)
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Hellenistic burial from Apamea:

http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZAWYA20110217093917/Syria:%20Burial%20chamber%20dating%20back%20to%20Hellenistic%20period%20unearthed%20in%20Apamea

Possible discovery of the Altar of the Twelve Gods in Athens:

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite4_1_17/02/2011_379147

A Roman child's footprints found along a road in North Yorkshire:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/2000-Year-Old-Roman-Childs-Footprints-Discovered-By-Archaeologists-In-North-Yorkshire/Article/201102315931164?f=rss
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110215/tuk-roman-child-s-footprints-found-by-ro-45dbed5.html

Glossing 'draconian':

http://www.dailynews-record.com/opinion_details.php?AID=54836&CHID=36

Solving what happened to the Ninth Legion (nothing really new here;
actually hype for a television program):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1358700/As-Hollywood-film-dramatises-ancient-tale-2-000-year-riddle-Romes-lost-Ninth-Legion-solved-last.html

Plans to research evidence for daily life outside the city walls of
Aquileia:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-unearthing-ancient-secrets-daily-life.html

... and Boris Johnson seems to have garnered a pile of press attention for
using a word Classicists have no problem with:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1358739/Britain-needs-euergetism-says-Boris-Johnson-classicist.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Romm and Cartledge ponder the death of Alexander:

http://blogs.forbes.com/booked/2011/02/19/what-caused-the-death-of-alexander-the-great/

That Wroxeter Roman house recreation is in the news again:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2011/feb/16/roman-house-recreation-wroxeter
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-12471007

Ancient leadership lessons:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/02/18/ancient.leadership.lessons/

The spector haunting the chancellories of America ... Thucydides?:

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/02/14/is-fear-the-father-of-us-all/

Mary Beard ponders 'deposed dictator syndrome':

http://timesonline.typepad.com/dons_life/2011/02/mubarak-and-ben-ali-what-would-tacitus-say.html

I think we mentioned the 'reunion' of Pamphilus and Servilia a few weeks
ago:

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/855489-lava-s-in-the-air-after-pompeii-pair-reunited
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/berkshire/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_9394000/9394397.stm

Review of Bettany Hughes, *The Hemlock Cup*:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703584804576144632785604672.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/11/AR2011021106679.html
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/arts/stories/2011/02/20/disorder-defined-milieu-of-socrates.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/books/review/Isaacson-t.html

Review of Jim Lacey, *The First Clash*:

http://www.basilandspice.com/journal/22011-book-review-the-first-clash-by-jim-lacey.html

More on those Severan sculptures from along the Via Anagnina:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/165098.html

Latest reviews from Scholia:

http://www.classics.ukzn.ac.za/reviews/

Latest reviews from BMCR:

http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/recent.html

Visit our blog:

http://rogueclassicism.com/
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EUROPE AND THE UK (+ Ireland)
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When Britain became an island:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12244964

A burial at Combe Capelle isn't nearly as old as once thought (but is still
pretty old):

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=45015

Bronze Age/Sarmatian site in Hungary:

http://www.caboodle.hu/nc/news/news_archive/single_page/?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=8772

A medieval Islamic necropolis from Beja (Portugal):

http://www.theportugalnews.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?id=1100-23

The public can visit the Mary Rose:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-12514642

As might be expected, evidence that ancient Britons were quaffing drinks
from
human skulls is getting a pile of press attention:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0017026
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12488227 (video)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12478115
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/entertainment/a/-/entertainment/8865684/heady-cocktail-ancient-britons-drank-from-skulls/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1357764/Ancient-Britons-drank-skulls-used-cups.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110217/ap_on_sc/eu_sci_britain_skull_cups
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/feb/16/cheddar-cave-skull-cups
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/02/17/ancient-brits-beheaded-dead-loved-ones-and-used-their-skulls-as-cups-115875-22928361/

... cf: a history of skull drinking:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/18/1

The Treasure Trove report for Scotland is out:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gN4zee0iWNi1cLl4q6uzusfc4ZWg?docId=N0771721297853226501A
http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/news/uk-scotland-12479475

... and there's a bad side too:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/scotland-s-buried-heritage-looted-by-treasure-hunters-1.1085646?localLinksEnabled=false

An Irish medieval fishing site is going to be washed away by the tide before
archaeologists
can poke around it:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-irish-medieval-fishing-site-lost.html

Efforts are being made to protect Pin Dale's ancient mine site:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-12504032

On Irish 'barbarism' and Cromwellian atrocities:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/18/1641-irish-rebellion-anti-catholic-propaganda

A dozen Anglo-Saxon skeletons from Bicester are now on display:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-12448019

Recent finds from Bulgaria:

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=125270

Archaeolink Prehistory Park is set to close after losing its subsidy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-12503980

... while Delapre Abbey has funds for restoration:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-12516018

Archaeology in Europe Blog:

http://archaeology-in-europe.blogspot.com/
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ASIA AND THE SOUTH PACIFIC
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Some 3000 years b.p. tombs from Xinjiang:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90782/90873/7289260.html
http://life.globaltimes.cn/travel/2011-02/623558.html

More on play at Mohenjodaro:

http://in.news.yahoo.com/play-central-element-peoples-lives-mohenjodaro-4000yrs-back-20110217-045322-587.html
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/15/6059847-games-were-big-4000-years-ago

More on Moby Dick shipwrecks:

http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0211/Whaling-shipwreck-found-in-Hawaii-linked-to-Moby-Dick
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/science/11shipwreck.html

East Asian Archaeology:

http://eastasiablog.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/east-asian-archaeology-cultural-heritage-%E2%80%93-2052010/

Southeast Asian Archaeology Newsblog:

http://www.southeastasianarchaeology.com/

New Zealand Archaeology eNews:

http://www.nzarchaeology.org/netsubnews.htm
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NORTH AMERICA
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A pile of Native American burials from a dam-construction site in Kanab
(Utah):

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Dam-project-unearths-ancient-burial-site-in-Kanab-1011604.php

Pondering the Hopewell-Mexican connection:

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/science/stories/2011/02/20/did-cultures-mingle-or-develop-on-their-own.html?sid=101
http://ohio-archaeology.blogspot.com/2011/02/hopewell-mexican-connection.html

Tracking North American migrations via stomach bacteria DNA:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-ancient-bacterial-gene-movement-north.html

Possibly the oldest Mikveh in the US is found in Baltimore:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-lloyd-synagogue-mikveh-0207-20110213,0,991747.story
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-lloyd-mikveh-pg0213,0,946474.photogallery(photos)

A possible grave of a pioneering Texas Ranger:

http://www.statesman.com/news/texas/researchers-think-old-grave-belongs-to-ranger-1245041.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/7422164.html

A hidden 'African' face to the Wye 'Orangery':

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-archaeologists-hidden-african-side-1780s.html

The mystery of Lake Dolores:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/inthemission/detail?entry_id=83097&tsp=1
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CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA
================================================================
Excavating the Maya site of Ceibal:

http://scientistatwork.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/excavating-the-origins-of-maya-civilization/

Nazca geoglyphs are also found in the Rio Grande basin:

http://www.andina.com.pe/Ingles/Noticia.aspx?Id=vqzuKHd1Dr0=

I don't think we've mentioned this Olmec-style relief from Ojo de Agua:

http://newswise.com/articles/ancient-mesoamerican-sculpture-uncovered-in-southern-mexico
http://www.news.wisc.edu/newsphotos/OjodeAguaMonument11.html (photos)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110214163102.htm
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-ancient-mesoamerican-sculpture-uncovered-southern.html

Latest in the Yale v Peru thing:

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/yale-and-peru-sign-accord-on-machu-picchu-artifacts/
http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/yale-and-peruvian-university-to-run-center-housing-incan-artifacts/

A pre-Clovis skull from the Yucatan?:

http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/news/chiefeditor/2011/02/skull-in-mexico-cave-may-be-oldest-american-found.html

More on that relief from El Tajin:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=45014

Mike Ruggeri's Ancient Americas Breaking News:

http://web.mac.com/michaelruggeri

Ancient MesoAmerica News:

http://ancient-mesoamerica-news-updates.blogspot.com/
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OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST
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A Shakespearean take on paywalls:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/15/opinion/15turow.html

They've identified the artist of 'The Old Plantation':

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/arts/design/11antiques.html

Caravaggio's police records are interesting:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12497978

Why van Goghs lose their shine:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-x-rays-van-gogh.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12453610

On mummies and that new UK reburial law:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-curse-of-the-vanishing-mummies-2216110.html

A German-Jewish digitization project:

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/national-library-germany-partner-to-put-papers-online-1.343622

Opeddish thing on archaeology:

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/idle-chatter-archaeology-tells-entire-story/20110219

Review of a couple of tomes about Elizabeth Bishop:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/books/review/Logan-t.html
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BLOGS
================================================================
About.com Archaeology:

http://archaeology.about.com/

Archaeology Briefs:

http://archaeologybriefs.blogspot.com/

Taygete Atlantis excavations blogs aggregator:

http://planet.atlantides.org/taygete/

Time Machine:

http://heatherpringle.wordpress.com/
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CRIME BEAT
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Some stolen Chinese antiquities turned up at Newark Liberty Airport:

http://www.paramuspost.com/article.php/20110217182738650

... and some antiquities turned up in the homes of a deposed Tunisian
president's family:

http://www.theartnewspaper.com/articles/Antiquities+found+in+homes+of+deposed+Tunisian+president%E2%80%99s+family/23188

Some more objects were returned to Iraq:

http://delmarvanow.com/article/20110219/NEWS01/110219004/1002/rss

Looting Matters:

http://lootingmatters.blogspot.com/

Illicit Cultural Property:

http://illicit-cultural-property.blogspot.com/
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NUMISMATICA
================================================================
Latest eSylum newsletter:

http://www.coinbooks.org/club_nbs_esylum_v14n07.html

Ancient Coin Collecting:

http://ancientcoincollecting.blogspot.com/

Ancient Coins:

http://classicalcoins.blogspot.com/

Coin Link:

http://www.coinlink.com/News/
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EXHIBITIONS, AUCTIONS, AND MUSEUM-RELATED
================================================================
Tut:

http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/art/116413804.html

Cleo:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110219/ENT07/102190349/1196/ENT/Cleopatra-benefactors-enjoy-homecoming?odyssey=nav|head
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110216/ENT07/102160332/Cleopatra-wows-previewers?odyssey=nav%7Chead
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/entertainment/x644192168/Cleopatra-tour-comes-to-Cincinnati-Museum-Center

Olmec:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/02/18/DDAN1HODQQ.DTL

Lod Mosaic:

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2011/feb/14/lod-mosaic/

Secrets of the Silk Road:

http://thedp.com/article/mummies-exhibit-reopens-museum

Pompeii:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/experience-pompeii-before-and-after-the-epic-eruption-2000-years-ago-in-a-world-premiere-exhibit-at-discovery-times-square-116302684.html

Eadweard Muybridge:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/us/18bcmuybridge.html?ref=sanfranciscobayarea

Cashmere Shawls:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/30/nyregion/30artct.html

A new archaeological museum is coming to Marbella:

http://www.theolivepress.es/2011/02/19/marbella-museum-will-feature-ancient-roman-collection/

Interesting feature on J. Paul Getty and his collection:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-frammolino-getty-20110220,0,6608952.story

The SLAM is trying to keep a mummy mask Egypt wants back:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=45044

More money for the Smithsonian:

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/14/new-budget-includes-increase-for-the-smithsonian-institution/

The Brooklyn Museum is choosing items for an exhibition in a rather
interesting manner:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/arts/design/11vogel.html?_r=1

In case you're into wax presidents:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/02/17/arts/AP-US-Wax-Presidents.html

The Met is planning a 'digital expansion':

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/arts/design/12campbell.html

Financial problems at the Seaport Museum:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/19/arts/design/19seaport.html

... while the Barnum Museum needs to repair tornado damage:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/arts/design/18antiques.html

Nice feature on the Frick's Rembrandts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/arts/design/18rembrandt.html

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PERFORMANCES AND THEATRE-RELATED
================================================================
Oedipus el rey:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/16/AR2011021606370.html?hpid=features1&hpv=national

Diary of a Madman:

http://theater.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/theater/reviews/18diary.html

My Scandalous Life:

http://theater.nytimes.com/2011/02/15/theater/reviews/15scandal.html

Lots of Shakespeare in New York City for the next while:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/theater/18shakespeare.html

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OBITUARIES
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J.V. Luce:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/obituaries/2011/0219/1224290277355.html

Alan Segal:

http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2011/02/18/prof-segal-remembered-devoted-friendships-defense-judaism

Willi Dansgaard:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/science-obituaries/8326663/Willi-Dansgaard.html
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PODCASTS
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The Book and the Spade:

http://www.radioscribe.com/bknspade.htm

The Dig:

http://www.thedigradio.com/

Stone Pages Archaeology News:

http://news.stonepages.com/

Archaeologica Audio News:

http://www.archaeologychannel.org/AudioNews.asp

Naked Archaeology Podcast:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/archaeology/
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Salvete

FYI

Here is
The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire Vol. I
http://www.archive.org/details/decline_fall_1_0707_librivox

audio

enjoy

Valete

Ti. Galerius Paulinus

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Salvete

An example of a negative auspication is now available here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Collegium_Augurum/message/143

I think that it makes interesting reading.

optime valete

Agricola

Sta. Cornelia Aeternia M. Lucretio Agricolae Omnibusque S.P.D.

I would just like to say.. We have so hard on the upcoming Ludi..

Although I meant what I said in my private correspondence, I do hope you are okay and will remain safe, but may I inquire as to why this has been posted to every Religious list in NR including also the Private Cultus Deorum list that is headed by Moravius Piscinus? Considering his latest feelings towards Nova Roma have been very negative
especially regarding our revered Vestal C. Maria Caeca?

Could I not had a moment to break this news to my Cohors, I'd rather they hear it from me first..

My personal opinion is that of confusion why would the gods be displeased about them being honored?

Since we are on different time zones, but I see the CA list has been busy with this situation and also the current Pontifex Maximus has spoken but yet no private word to me? (Btw Sabinus I have e-mailed you)

I am work at this time, and unable to access my private e-mail accounts, I can only use yahoogroups. Be rest assured I will answer all private e-mails regarding this unfortunate situation and will closely with various members of the CP to find a positive solution.

If one visits the CP list, you can tell I have worked with various Pontiff's trying to make sure that Deities were honored for the upcoming Ludi and that they were not offended.. For in my own faith I am a pious woman..

I am also NOT accepting these Auspices, hence why I did ask you if they could be retaken. I think we're just viewing the same issue just different interpretations, which is normal.

I am also formally requesting that I have a meeting with both the Consuls and Praetors, to discuss what options are available to me by the Laws of Nova Roma, our Constitution. I understand that the Senate is in session but this matter is also just as important..

Since the annoucement of the Ludi was slated for tomorrow, this must be again put on hold until this matter is solved or am I given counsel of another positive option.

We have worked so hard in the Cohors, the Ludi must be breathed into being.

Vale quam Optime,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia

SALVE AETERNIA!

I don't think the oblativa received by Agricola affect the games. In my opinion is a sign from the Gods about what I presented in my first reply to Agricola in the Collegium Augurum list and then I detailed in the Collegium Pontificum.
Auspices can be taken again, some things can be changed in the schedule and all will move on.
When it comes about the oblativa received, be sure I will ask the CP for a piaculum because that is required and together with the CP members will take care as some things about the sacerdotes issues to be fixed very soon.
There are not problems Aeternia, are only for those who don't understand what auspices oblativa represent.
I received your emails, I answered and when you arrive home will find them in your email box.

VALE,
Sabinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Sta. Cornelia Aeternia M. Lucretio Agricolae Omnibusque S.P.D.
>
> I would just like to say.. We have so hard on the upcoming Ludi..
>
> Although I meant what I said in my private correspondence, I do hope you are okay and will remain safe, but may I inquire as to why this has been posted to every Religious list in NR including also the Private Cultus Deorum list that is headed by Moravius Piscinus? Considering his latest feelings towards Nova Roma have been very negative
> especially regarding our revered Vestal C. Maria Caeca?
>
> Could I not had a moment to break this news to my Cohors, I'd rather they hear it from me first..
>
> My personal opinion is that of confusion why would the gods be displeased about them being honored?
>
> Since we are on different time zones, but I see the CA list has been busy with this situation and also the current Pontifex Maximus has spoken but yet no private word to me? (Btw Sabinus I have e-mailed you)
>
> I am work at this time, and unable to access my private e-mail accounts, I can only use yahoogroups. Be rest assured I will answer all private e-mails regarding this unfortunate situation and will closely with various members of the CP to find a positive solution.
>
> If one visits the CP list, you can tell I have worked with various Pontiff's trying to make sure that Deities were honored for the upcoming Ludi and that they were not offended.. For in my own faith I am a pious woman..
>
> I am also NOT accepting these Auspices, hence why I did ask you if they could be retaken. I think we're just viewing the same issue just different interpretations, which is normal.
>
> I am also formally requesting that I have a meeting with both the Consuls and Praetors, to discuss what options are available to me by the Laws of Nova Roma, our Constitution. I understand that the Senate is in session but this matter is also just as important..
>
> Since the annoucement of the Ludi was slated for tomorrow, this must be again put on hold until this matter is solved or am I given counsel of another positive option.
>
> We have worked so hard in the Cohors, the Ludi must be breathed into being.
>
> Vale quam Optime,
> Statia Cornelia Aeternia
>

C. Petronius M. Agricolae auguri s.p.d.,

> An example of a negative auspication is now available here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Collegium_Augurum/message/143
> I think that it makes interesting reading.

It is not an auspicatio. As the word said by itself auspicatio is to watch/analyse the fly of the birds.

An earthshake in Japan is not an omen and I am afraid that as augur your duty is to interpret the fly or the cry of the birds not to judge if a japanese earthshake is an omen.

Instead of the job of an augur you did as a sort of fortune-teller.e.

If an earthshake is judged as a prodige, then we have to convene the viri sacris faciundis after an order of the Senate. It is not the job of an augur to decide if it is or not an omen.

You, augur, has just to watch the birds flying in the temple you decided before their flies and to analyse the answers of the gods.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. IX Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.

Aeternia C. Petronio M. Agricolae Omnibusque S.P.D.


After doing some personal reading about Augury and since there was a mention of birds.


Was there a sighting of a Hoopoe within the vicinity? All the reading I have done so far, states that a Hoopoe predicts the coming of storms and earthquakes.


Yes, Sabinus I will respond to your post.


Vale Optime,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius M. Agricolae auguri s.p.d.,
>
> > An example of a negative auspication is now available here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Collegium_Augurum/message/143
> > I think that it makes interesting reading.
>
>
> It is not an auspicatio. As the word said by itself auspicatio is to watch/analyse the fly of the birds.
>
> An earthshake in Japan is not an omen and I am afraid that as augur your duty is to interpret the fly or the cry of the birds not to judge if a japanese earthshake is an omen.
>
> Instead of the job of an augur you did as a sort of fortune-teller.e.
>
> If an earthshake is judged as a prodige, then we have to convene the viri sacris faciundis after an order of the Senate. It is not the job of an augur to decide if it is or not an omen.
>
> You, augur, has just to watch the birds flying in the temple you decided before their flies and to analyse the answers of the gods.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. IX Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.
>

Aeternia T. Iulio Sabino Pontifici Maximo sal:

Thank you for responding promptly to the post sir. I only want a peaceful solution to the situation.

I will of course continue to work both you and Pontifex L. Julia Aquila to achieve a peaceful solution.

If we have to have another set of auspices with different questions, then I will abide by that.

But let it be known I do not accept the Auspices that I was given at this current time.

I will check my e-mail inbox as soon as I get home rest assured.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVE AETERNIA!
>
> I don't think the oblativa received by Agricola affect the games. In my opinion is a sign from the Gods about what I presented in my first reply to Agricola in the Collegium Augurum list and then I detailed in the Collegium Pontificum.
> Auspices can be taken again, some things can be changed in the schedule and all will move on.
> When it comes about the oblativa received, be sure I will ask the CP for a piaculum because that is required and together with the CP members will take care as some things about the sacerdotes issues to be fixed very soon.
> There are not problems Aeternia, are only for those who don't understand what auspices oblativa represent.
> I received your emails, I answered and when you arrive home will find them in your email box.
>
> VALE,
> Sabinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> >
> > Sta. Cornelia Aeternia M. Lucretio Agricolae Omnibusque S.P.D.
> >
> > I would just like to say.. We have so hard on the upcoming Ludi..
> >
> > Although I meant what I said in my private correspondence, I do hope you are okay and will remain safe, but may I inquire as to why this has been posted to every Religious list in NR including also the Private Cultus Deorum list that is headed by Moravius Piscinus? Considering his latest feelings towards Nova Roma have been very negative
> > especially regarding our revered Vestal C. Maria Caeca?
> >
> > Could I not had a moment to break this news to my Cohors, I'd rather they hear it from me first..
> >
> > My personal opinion is that of confusion why would the gods be displeased about them being honored?
> >
> > Since we are on different time zones, but I see the CA list has been busy with this situation and also the current Pontifex Maximus has spoken but yet no private word to me? (Btw Sabinus I have e-mailed you)
> >
> > I am work at this time, and unable to access my private e-mail accounts, I can only use yahoogroups. Be rest assured I will answer all private e-mails regarding this unfortunate situation and will closely with various members of the CP to find a positive solution.
> >
> > If one visits the CP list, you can tell I have worked with various Pontiff's trying to make sure that Deities were honored for the upcoming Ludi and that they were not offended.. For in my own faith I am a pious woman..
> >
> > I am also NOT accepting these Auspices, hence why I did ask you if they could be retaken. I think we're just viewing the same issue just different interpretations, which is normal.
> >
> > I am also formally requesting that I have a meeting with both the Consuls and Praetors, to discuss what options are available to me by the Laws of Nova Roma, our Constitution. I understand that the Senate is in session but this matter is also just as important..
> >
> > Since the annoucement of the Ludi was slated for tomorrow, this must be again put on hold until this matter is solved or am I given counsel of another positive option.
> >
> > We have worked so hard in the Cohors, the Ludi must be breathed into being.
> >
> > Vale quam Optime,
> > Statia Cornelia Aeternia
> >
>

C. Petronius Aeterniae s.p.d.,

> After doing some personal reading about Augury and since there was a mention of birds.

Augures have to interpret the flight of the birds.

> Was there a sighting of a Hoopoe within the vicinity?

I do not understand "Hoopoe"...

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. IX Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.

Aeternia C. Petronio s.p.d.

It's okay I'll explain..


A "Hoopoe" is a bird of the Kingfisher family, it's a common bird that resides in Africa and Eurasia, it also has maybe eight or nine subspecies if I'm recalling correctly. The subspecies of Upupa Saturata can be found in some parts of Japan.

It's called reading for years National Geographic folks, and long ago in my animal rights activists days, I wanted to be a member of the Wild Audubon Society.

I'm looking at so far three sources that displays the Hoopoe being mentioned in Augury.

No I'm not an Augur don't claim to be one, this was just some independent reading.

Just thought I'd ask since the mention of birds came up.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius Aeterniae s.p.d.,
>
> > After doing some personal reading about Augury and since there was a mention of birds.
>
> Augures have to interpret the flight of the birds.
>
> > Was there a sighting of a Hoopoe within the vicinity?
>
> I do not understand "Hoopoe"...
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. IX Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.
>

Iulia s.d.

Petroni - Hoopoe Latin: Upupa is an incredibly gorgeous bird according to the Wiki. Its new to me as well.  Not sure if it was (well) known to the Republic.

Aeternia - The Romans also knew some animals behaved in response to phenomena and so the bird would be observed as any other bird. Many animals react in advance of natural disasters such as quakes and floods. This is a survival instinct. 
In order for it to be auspicia, it must be observed. 

Valete

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius Aeterniae s.p.d.,
>
> > After doing some personal reading about Augury and since there was a mention of birds.
>
> Augures have to interpret the flight of the birds.
>
> > Was there a sighting of a Hoopoe within the vicinity?
>
> I do not understand "Hoopoe"...
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. IX Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.
>

Aeternia Juliae Aquilae sal:

This is very strange for me to be discussing this.

In my earlier post, I did mention a subspecies of Hoopoe, the Upupa Saturata which is to be that resides in some areas of Japan.

Hoopoe are gorgeous birds, and varying plummages the "crownless" Hoopoes usually stay in the areas such Madagascar, Mozambique one of those countries (its been a while since I was trenched in the study of critters). The crown/crested species similiar to emperor pigeons, you'll find from Northern India and other parts of the Orient.

It's the "crowned/crested" Hoopoes that seem to appear in Roman Augury..

Again just some independent reading. So in order for it to be considered a true Auspice the bird must observed in flight?

Spiffy. I should probably be gravely silent now, and not make the ML NR Animal Planet.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
>
> Iulia s.d.
>
> Petroni - Hoopoe Latin: Upupa is an incredibly gorgeous bird according to the Wiki. Its new to me as well.  Not sure if it was (well) known to the Republic.
>
> Aeternia - The Romans also knew some animals behaved in response to phenomena and so the bird would be observed as any other bird. Many animals react in advance of natural disasters such as quakes and floods. This is a survival instinct. 
> In order for it to be auspicia, it must be observed. 
>
> Valete
>
> Julia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> > C. Petronius Aeterniae s.p.d.,
> >
> > > After doing some personal reading about Augury and since there was a mention of birds.
> >
> > Augures have to interpret the flight of the birds.
> >
> > > Was there a sighting of a Hoopoe within the vicinity?
> >
> > I do not understand "Hoopoe"...
> >
> > Optime vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a. d. IX Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.
> >
>

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem IX Kalendas Martias; hic dies fastus publicus est.

"And the grave must be honoured. Appease your fathers'
Spirits, and bring little gifts to the tombs you built.
Their shades ask little, piety they prefer to costly
Offerings: no greedy deities haunt the Stygian depths.
A tile wreathed round with garlands offered is enough,
A scattering of meal, and a few grains of salt,
And bread soaked in wine, and loose violets:
Set them on a brick left in the middle of the path...
And hide the gods, closing those revealing temple doors,
Let the altars be free of incense, the hearths without fire.
Now ghostly spirits and the entombed dead wander,
Now the shadow feeds on the nourishment that's offered.
But it only lasts till there are no more days in the month
Than the feet that my metres possess.
This day they call the Feralia because they bear [ferunt]
Offerings to the dead: the last day to propitiate the shades." - Ovid,
Fasti II


Today is the celebration of the Feralia, ending the Parentalia, and is
held in honor of Iuppiter Feretrius and the infernal powers.
"Feretrius" is one of Iuppiter's titles, and in this capacity Iuppiter
was called upon to witness the signing of contracts and marriages. An
oath was taken that asked Iuppiter to strike down the person if they
swore the oath falsely. Spirits (manes) of the dead were said to
hover above graves on this day, and provisions were put out for them.
Some sources believe that the Roman contact with the Celtic
observances of a feast of the dead combined to create the foundations
of the holiday we now celebrate as All Hallows' Eve, or Hallowe'en.
Today is the last day of the Roman year in which to placate ghosts;
tomorrow, the living are appeased. Today the temples would be opened
at noon, and the time of religious devotion, the "tempus religiosum",
came to a close. Magistrates would lay down their insignia of office
and offer up prayers on behalf of the State.

The mysterious meaning of "FP" may have its roots in the observance of
the Feralia as a "fastus (or 'feria') publicus" during the Republic;
Republican calendars are marked with "FP" for this day, but after
Augustus they are marked simply "F", for "fastus". Because the actual
rites involved in the observance of the Feralia can only be guessed
at, we do not know why this change was made.

Valete bene!

Cato

Cato Aeterniae omnibusque in foro SPD

"The augur was a priest and official in the classical world, especially ancient Rome and Etruria. His main role was to interpret the will of the gods by studying the flight of birds: whether they are flying in groups/alone, what noises they make as they fly, direction of flight and what kind of birds they are. This was known as "taking the auspices." The ceremony and function of the augur was central to any major undertaking in Roman society—public or private—including matters of war, commerce, and religion."

"The words augurium and auspicium came to be used in course of time to signify the observation of various kinds of signs. They were divided into five sorts: ex caelo, ex avibus, ex tripudiis, ex quadrupedibus, ex diris. Of these, the last three formed no part of the ancient auspices. The observation of signs in the heavens, such as lightning, was naturally connected with observing the heavens in order to watch the birds; and therefore, must in early times have formed part of the auspices; for in an early stage of society, lightning and similar phenomena have been always looked upon as sent by the gods. A few words must be said on each of these five kinds of augury.

1. Ex caelo. This included the observation of the various kinds of thunder and lightning, and was regarded as the most important, maximum auspicium (Serv. ad Virg. Aen. II.693; Cic. de Div. II.18, &c.; Festus, s.v. Coelestia). The interpretation of these phenomena was rather Etruscan than Roman; and the only point connected with them which deserves mention here, is, that whenever it was reported by a person authorised to take the auspices, that Jupiter thundered or lightened, the comitia could not be held (Cic. de Div. II.14, Philipp. V.3).

2. Ex avibus. It was only a few birds which could give auguries among the Romans (Cic. de Div. II.34). They were divided into two classes: Oscines, those which gave auguries by singing, or their voice, and Alites, those which gave auguries by their flight (Festus, s.v. Oscines). To the former class, belonged the raven (corvus) and the crow (cornix), the first of these giving a favourable omen (auspicium ratum) when it appeared on the right, the latter, on the contrary, when it was seen on the left (Plaut. Asin. II.1.12; Cic. de Div. I.39); likewise the owl (noctua, Festus, s.v. Oscines), and the hen (gallina, Cic. de Div. II.26). To the aves alites belonged first of all the eagle (aquila), who is called pre-eminently the bird of Jupiter (Jovis ales), and next the vulture (vultur), and with these two the avis sanqualis, also called ossifraga, and the immussulus or immusculus are probably also to be classed (cf. Virg. Aen. I.394; Liv. I. 7, 34; Festus, s.v. sanqualis; Plin. H. N. X.7). Some birds were included both among the oscines and the alites: such were the Picus Martius, and Feronius, and the Parrha (Plin. H. N. X.18, s.20; Hor. Carm. III.27.15; Festus, s.v. Oscinum tripudium). These were the principal birds consulted in the auspices. Every sound and motion of each bird had a different meaning, according to the different circumstances, or times of the year when it was observed, but the particulars do not deserve further notice here. When the birds favoured an undertaking, they were said addicere, admittere or secundare, and were then called addictivae, admissivae, secundae, or praepetes: when unfavourable they were said abdicere, arcere, refragari, &c., and were then called adversae or alterae. The birds which gave unfavourable omens were termed funebres, inhibitae, lugubres, malae, &c., and such auspices were called clivia and clamatoria.

3. Ex Tripudiis. These auspices were taken from the feeding of chickens, and were especially employed on military expeditions. It was the doctrine of the augurs that any bird could give a tripudium (Cic. de Div. II.34); but it became p176the practice in later times to employ only chickens (pulli) for this purpose. They were kept in a cage, under care of a person called the pullarius; and when the auspices were to be taken, the pullarius opened the cage and threw to the chickens pulse or a kind of soft cake. If they refused to come out or to eat, or uttered a cry (occinerent), or beat their wings, or flew away, the signs were considered unfavourable (Liv. X.40; Val. Max. I.4 §3). On the contrary, if they ate greedily, so that something fell from their mouth and struck the earth, it was called tripudium solistimum, (tripudium quasi terripavium, solistimum, from solum, according to the ancient writers, Cic. de Div. II.34), and was held a favourable sign. Two other kinds of tripudia are mentioned by Festus, the tripudium oscinum, from the cry of birds, and sonivium, from the sound of the pulse falling to the ground: in what respects the latter differed from the tripudium solistimum, we are not informed (Cic. ad Fam. VI.6; see also Festus, s.vv. puls, tripudium, oscinum tripudium).

4. Ex quadrupedibus. Auguries could also be taken from four-footed animals; but these formed no part of the original science of the augurs, and were never employed by them in taking auspices on behalf of the state, or in the exercise of their art properly so called. They must be looked upon simply as a mode of private divination, which was naturally brought under the notice of the augurs, and seems by them to have been reduced to a kind of system. Thus, we are told that when a fox, a wolf, a horse, a dog, or any of the kind of quadruped ran across a person's path or appeared in an unusual place, it formed an augury (See e.g. Hor. Carm. III.27). The juge auspicium belonged to this class of auguries (Cic. de Div. II.36; Fest. s.v. juges auspicium; Serv. ad Virg. Aen. III.537).

5. Ex diris, sc. signis. Under this head was included every kind of augury, which does not fall under any of the four classes mentioned above, such as sneezing, stumbling, and other accidental things (cf. Serv. ad Virg. Aen. IV.453). There was an important augury of this kind connected with the army, which was called ex acuminibus, that is, the flames appearing at the points of spears or other weapons (Cic. de Div. II.36, de Nat. Deor. II.3; Dionys. V.46).

But although the augurs could declare that there was some fault in the auspices, yet, on the other hand, they could not, in favour of their office, declare that any unfavourable sign had appeared to them, since it was not to them that the auspices were sent. Thus we are told that the augurs did not possess the spectio, that is, the right of taking the state-auspices. This spectio, of which we have already briefly spoken, was of two kinds, one more extensive and the other more limited. In the one case the person, who exercised it, could put a stop to the proceedings of any other magistrate by his obnuntiatio: this was called spectio et p178nuntiatio (perhaps also spectio cum nuntiatione), and belonged only to the highest magistrates, the consuls, dictators, interreges, and, with some modifications, to the praetors. In the other case, the person who took the causes only exercised the spectio in reference to the duties of his own office, and could not interfere with any other magistrate: this was called spectio sine nuntiatione, and belonged to the other magistrates, the censors, aediles, and quaestors. Now as the augurs did not possess the auspices, they consequently could not possess the spectio (habere spectionem); but as the augurs were constantly employed by the magistrates to take the auspices, they exercised the spectio, though they did not possess it in virtue of their office. When they were employed by the magistrates in taking the auspices, they possessed the right of nuntiatio, and thus had the power, by the declaration of unfavourable signs (obnuntiatio), to put a stop to all important public transactions (Cic. de Leg. II.12). In this way we are able to understand the assertion of Cicero (Philipp. II.32), that the augurs possessed the nuntiatio, the consuls and other (higher) magistrates both the spectio and nuntiatio; though it must, at the same time, be borne in mind that this right of nuntiatio only belonged to them in consequence of their being employed by the magistrates." - Smith's Dictionary "AUGURIUM"

Valete,

Cato

Aeternia Catoni Omnibusque in foro S.P.D.

*raises hand*


Not to dispute your academic calibur at all Cato, but I've seen sources there were other birds including the ones you mentioned, such as the Hoopoe (I'm not crazy), the Heron , Woodpecker, Doves, were they not used in Augury as much as say the Raven, Owl, Crow, etc because of the popular identification in Mythology. Example the Owl being sacred Minerva, the Woodpecker is sacred to Mars?

Yesterday I witnessed a hummingbird flying in the direction of the East, it landed towards the direction of right, on a twig and stayed for some minutes. I watched it trying to feed on nectar, since I witnessed the flight and it's movements? Is that an example of Augury? Reason why I paid attention to it closely is the Hummingbird is one of Caeca's favorite Birds, and it does a have a role in Celtic Myth.



I had some other questions, but the voice in my head tells me just be silent very very silent.

I suddenly find the study of Augury extremely fascinating now that I'm understanding a little more of it than before.


Valete,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Aeterniae omnibusque in foro SPD
>
> "The augur was a priest and official in the classical world, especially ancient Rome and Etruria. His main role was to interpret the will of the gods by studying the flight of birds: whether they are flying in groups/alone, what noises they make as they fly, direction of flight and what kind of birds they are. This was known as "taking the auspices." The ceremony and function of the augur was central to any major undertaking in Roman society—public or private—including matters of war, commerce, and religion."
>
> "The words augurium and auspicium came to be used in course of time to signify the observation of various kinds of signs. They were divided into five sorts: ex caelo, ex avibus, ex tripudiis, ex quadrupedibus, ex diris. Of these, the last three formed no part of the ancient auspices. The observation of signs in the heavens, such as lightning, was naturally connected with observing the heavens in order to watch the birds; and therefore, must in early times have formed part of the auspices; for in an early stage of society, lightning and similar phenomena have been always looked upon as sent by the gods. A few words must be said on each of these five kinds of augury.
>
> 1. Ex caelo. This included the observation of the various kinds of thunder and lightning, and was regarded as the most important, maximum auspicium (Serv. ad Virg. Aen. II.693; Cic. de Div. II.18, &c.; Festus, s.v. Coelestia). The interpretation of these phenomena was rather Etruscan than Roman; and the only point connected with them which deserves mention here, is, that whenever it was reported by a person authorised to take the auspices, that Jupiter thundered or lightened, the comitia could not be held (Cic. de Div. II.14, Philipp. V.3).
>
> 2. Ex avibus. It was only a few birds which could give auguries among the Romans (Cic. de Div. II.34). They were divided into two classes: Oscines, those which gave auguries by singing, or their voice, and Alites, those which gave auguries by their flight (Festus, s.v. Oscines). To the former class, belonged the raven (corvus) and the crow (cornix), the first of these giving a favourable omen (auspicium ratum) when it appeared on the right, the latter, on the contrary, when it was seen on the left (Plaut. Asin. II.1.12; Cic. de Div. I.39); likewise the owl (noctua, Festus, s.v. Oscines), and the hen (gallina, Cic. de Div. II.26). To the aves alites belonged first of all the eagle (aquila), who is called pre-eminently the bird of Jupiter (Jovis ales), and next the vulture (vultur), and with these two the avis sanqualis, also called ossifraga, and the immussulus or immusculus are probably also to be classed (cf. Virg. Aen. I.394; Liv. I. 7, 34; Festus, s.v. sanqualis; Plin. H. N. X.7). Some birds were included both among the oscines and the alites: such were the Picus Martius, and Feronius, and the Parrha (Plin. H. N. X.18, s.20; Hor. Carm. III.27.15; Festus, s.v. Oscinum tripudium). These were the principal birds consulted in the auspices. Every sound and motion of each bird had a different meaning, according to the different circumstances, or times of the year when it was observed, but the particulars do not deserve further notice here. When the birds favoured an undertaking, they were said addicere, admittere or secundare, and were then called addictivae, admissivae, secundae, or praepetes: when unfavourable they were said abdicere, arcere, refragari, &c., and were then called adversae or alterae. The birds which gave unfavourable omens were termed funebres, inhibitae, lugubres, malae, &c., and such auspices were called clivia and clamatoria.
>
> 3. Ex Tripudiis. These auspices were taken from the feeding of chickens, and were especially employed on military expeditions. It was the doctrine of the augurs that any bird could give a tripudium (Cic. de Div. II.34); but it became p176the practice in later times to employ only chickens (pulli) for this purpose. They were kept in a cage, under care of a person called the pullarius; and when the auspices were to be taken, the pullarius opened the cage and threw to the chickens pulse or a kind of soft cake. If they refused to come out or to eat, or uttered a cry (occinerent), or beat their wings, or flew away, the signs were considered unfavourable (Liv. X.40; Val. Max. I.4 §3). On the contrary, if they ate greedily, so that something fell from their mouth and struck the earth, it was called tripudium solistimum, (tripudium quasi terripavium, solistimum, from solum, according to the ancient writers, Cic. de Div. II.34), and was held a favourable sign. Two other kinds of tripudia are mentioned by Festus, the tripudium oscinum, from the cry of birds, and sonivium, from the sound of the pulse falling to the ground: in what respects the latter differed from the tripudium solistimum, we are not informed (Cic. ad Fam. VI.6; see also Festus, s.vv. puls, tripudium, oscinum tripudium).
>
> 4. Ex quadrupedibus. Auguries could also be taken from four-footed animals; but these formed no part of the original science of the augurs, and were never employed by them in taking auspices on behalf of the state, or in the exercise of their art properly so called. They must be looked upon simply as a mode of private divination, which was naturally brought under the notice of the augurs, and seems by them to have been reduced to a kind of system. Thus, we are told that when a fox, a wolf, a horse, a dog, or any of the kind of quadruped ran across a person's path or appeared in an unusual place, it formed an augury (See e.g. Hor. Carm. III.27). The juge auspicium belonged to this class of auguries (Cic. de Div. II.36; Fest. s.v. juges auspicium; Serv. ad Virg. Aen. III.537).
>
> 5. Ex diris, sc. signis. Under this head was included every kind of augury, which does not fall under any of the four classes mentioned above, such as sneezing, stumbling, and other accidental things (cf. Serv. ad Virg. Aen. IV.453). There was an important augury of this kind connected with the army, which was called ex acuminibus, that is, the flames appearing at the points of spears or other weapons (Cic. de Div. II.36, de Nat. Deor. II.3; Dionys. V.46).
>
> But although the augurs could declare that there was some fault in the auspices, yet, on the other hand, they could not, in favour of their office, declare that any unfavourable sign had appeared to them, since it was not to them that the auspices were sent. Thus we are told that the augurs did not possess the spectio, that is, the right of taking the state-auspices. This spectio, of which we have already briefly spoken, was of two kinds, one more extensive and the other more limited. In the one case the person, who exercised it, could put a stop to the proceedings of any other magistrate by his obnuntiatio: this was called spectio et p178nuntiatio (perhaps also spectio cum nuntiatione), and belonged only to the highest magistrates, the consuls, dictators, interreges, and, with some modifications, to the praetors. In the other case, the person who took the causes only exercised the spectio in reference to the duties of his own office, and could not interfere with any other magistrate: this was called spectio sine nuntiatione, and belonged to the other magistrates, the censors, aediles, and quaestors. Now as the augurs did not possess the auspices, they consequently could not possess the spectio (habere spectionem); but as the augurs were constantly employed by the magistrates to take the auspices, they exercised the spectio, though they did not possess it in virtue of their office. When they were employed by the magistrates in taking the auspices, they possessed the right of nuntiatio, and thus had the power, by the declaration of unfavourable signs (obnuntiatio), to put a stop to all important public transactions (Cic. de Leg. II.12). In this way we are able to understand the assertion of Cicero (Philipp. II.32), that the augurs possessed the nuntiatio, the consuls and other (higher) magistrates both the spectio and nuntiatio; though it must, at the same time, be borne in mind that this right of nuntiatio only belonged to them in consequence of their being employed by the magistrates." - Smith's Dictionary "AUGURIUM"
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>

Cato Aeterniae sal.

I'm not sure which birds the Romans would have known, but they probably limited augury to those they knew and were comfortable with. I would imagine that our College of Augurs could make determinations about "modern" birds based on the ones which are attested to in classical literature.

Vale bene!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Aeternia Catoni Omnibusque in foro S.P.D.
>
> *raises hand*
>
>
> Not to dispute your academic calibur at all Cato, but I've seen sources there were other birds including the ones you mentioned, such as the Hoopoe (I'm not crazy), the Heron , Woodpecker, Doves, were they not used in Augury as much as say the Raven, Owl, Crow, etc because of the popular identification in Mythology. Example the Owl being sacred Minerva, the Woodpecker is sacred to Mars?
>
> Yesterday I witnessed a hummingbird flying in the direction of the East, it landed towards the direction of right, on a twig and stayed for some minutes. I watched it trying to feed on nectar, since I witnessed the flight and it's movements? Is that an example of Augury? Reason why I paid attention to it closely is the Hummingbird is one of Caeca's favorite Birds, and it does a have a role in Celtic Myth.
>
>
>
> I had some other questions, but the voice in my head tells me just be silent very very silent.
>
> I suddenly find the study of Augury extremely fascinating now that I'm understanding a little more of it than before.
>
>
> Valete,
> Aeternia
>

Iulia Aeterniae Catoni s.d.

I have only found a Greek source for the Hoopoe, in the play by Aristophanes, "Ornithes" (Birds). It appears the bird is used in augury "systems" in different traditions but since Ovidus (see below) mentions the Hoopoe, maybe it was used in auspicia.By the look of the map on the wiki it appears that it is found in Italy today, but this does not mean it had migrated in any great numbers in antiquity, I have not found much more. Aeternia, what are your sources?

From the wiki:

In Ovid's Metamorphoses, book 6, King Tereus of Thrace, married to Procne, rapes his wife's sister, Philomela and cuts out her tongue. In revenge, Procne kills their son Itys and serves him as a stew to his father. When Tereus sees the boy's head, which is served on a platter, he grabs a sword but just as he attempts to kill the sisters, they are turned into birds—Philomela into a nightingale and Procne into a swallow. Tereus himself is turned into an epops (6.674), translated as lapwing by Dryden[23] and lappewincke (lappewinge) by John Gower in his Confessio Amantis,[24] or hoopoe, in A.S. Kline's translation.[25] The bird's crest indicates his royal status and his long, sharp beak is a symbol of his violent nature. English translators and poets probably had the Northern lapwing in mind, considering its crest.

Maybe an Augur will comment;)

Valete,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Aeterniae sal.
>
> I'm not sure which birds the Romans would have known, but they probably limited augury to those they knew and were comfortable with. I would imagine that our College of Augurs could make determinations about "modern" birds based on the ones which are attested to in classical literature.
>
> Vale bene!
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> >
> > Aeternia Catoni Omnibusque in foro S.P.D.
> >
> > *raises hand*
> >
> >
> > Not to dispute your academic calibur at all Cato, but I've seen sources there were other birds including the ones you mentioned, such as the Hoopoe (I'm not crazy), the Heron , Woodpecker, Doves, were they not used in Augury as much as say the Raven, Owl, Crow, etc because of the popular identification in Mythology. Example the Owl being sacred Minerva, the Woodpecker is sacred to Mars?
> >
> > Yesterday I witnessed a hummingbird flying in the direction of the East, it landed towards the direction of right, on a twig and stayed for some minutes. I watched it trying to feed on nectar, since I witnessed the flight and it's movements? Is that an example of Augury? Reason why I paid attention to it closely is the Hummingbird is one of Caeca's favorite Birds, and it does a have a role in Celtic Myth.
> >
> >
> >
> > I had some other questions, but the voice in my head tells me just be silent very very silent.
> >
> > I suddenly find the study of Augury extremely fascinating now that I'm understanding a little more of it than before.
> >
> >
> > Valete,
> > Aeternia
> >
>

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Valete et habete fortunam bonam!

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C. Petronius Aeterniae sal.,

About auspicia taken by augurs, and only by augurs, is to follow a precise ritual.

A bird flying from east or from whatever he likes is not an indication if, prior, the augur did not design the limits of his "templum".

The templum has to said to the people and to the gods before taking auspicies. And before taking auspicies the augur openly says what he statues as favorable or not. It is a pact with gods. Now gods knowing what is favourable or not in these auspicies, they can answer with the flight of the birds.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VIII Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.

Aeternia C. Petronio sal:

Right. I was giving an example of the hummingbird to see if it would be
considered an example of Basic Augury as it were.

So the templum has to be within a certain distance that is pre-selected and
a contract made with the gods? Before an actual auspice/answer is received?

I'm probably wrong again, but this is a very profound subject and very deep
thought provoking scenarios at least to me it is..

Vale bene,
Aeternia

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:28 PM, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>wrote:

>
>
> C. Petronius Aeterniae sal.,
>
> About auspicia taken by augurs, and only by augurs, is to follow a precise
> ritual.
>
> A bird flying from east or from whatever he likes is not an indication if,
> prior, the augur did not design the limits of his "templum".
>
> The templum has to said to the people and to the gods before taking
> auspicies. And before taking auspicies the augur openly says what he statues
> as favorable or not. It is a pact with gods. Now gods knowing what is
> favourable or not in these auspicies, they can answer with the flight of the
> birds.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. VIII Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.
>
>
>


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Caninus Aeternia sal:

I believe that technically there must be a templum set for the patch of ground
from which an Augur will make an observation as well as a templum to define the
portion of the sky where the birds will be observed. The patch of ground is
defined in a small ritual that sets specific limits and boundries for where the
Augur will be while making observations, but I believe that need only be done
once. The area of the sky must be specifically defined by the Augur's staff
before any observations are made and I believe that must be done each time an
auspice is requested. If either of these two templum are not properly set a
valid auspice cannot be taken. So, in strict terms, I believe neither you nor
Agricola actually took the necessary steps for an auspice. I am sure that
Petronius or one of the Augurs can correct me if my understanding of the
auspices is in error.

Optime vale,

M. Pompeius Caninus
Bethel, Alaska, USA
America Boreoccidentalis





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From: Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 7:43:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An example of an auspication which is not

Aeternia C. Petronio sal:

Right. I was giving an example of the hummingbird to see if it would be
considered an example of Basic Augury as it were.

So the templum has to be within a certain distance that is pre-selected and
a contract made with the gods? Before an actual auspice/answer is received?

I'm probably wrong again, but this is a very profound subject and very deep
thought provoking scenarios at least to me it is..

Vale bene,
Aeternia

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:28 PM, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>wrote:

>
>
> C. Petronius Aeterniae sal.,
>
> About auspicia taken by augurs, and only by augurs, is to follow a precise
> ritual.
>
> A bird flying from east or from whatever he likes is not an indication if,
> prior, the augur did not design the limits of his "templum".
>
> The templum has to said to the people and to the gods before taking
> auspicies. And before taking auspicies the augur openly says what he statues
> as favorable or not. It is a pact with gods. Now gods knowing what is
> favourable or not in these auspicies, they can answer with the flight of the
> birds.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. VIII Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.
>
>
>


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Aeternia Canino sal:

You seem extremely knowledgeable Caninus, like just wow...


No my observation of the hummingbird yesterday was just that an observation,
I was only asking "could" it be viewed as a Auspice in a complete
hypothetical setting.

Nothing more and nothing less.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:14 PM, M. Pompeius Caninus
<m.pompeius@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caninus Aeternia sal:
>
> I believe that technically there must be a templum set for the patch of
> ground
> from which an Augur will make an observation as well as a templum to define
> the
> portion of the sky where the birds will be observed. The patch of ground is
>
> defined in a small ritual that sets specific limits and boundries for where
> the
> Augur will be while making observations, but I believe that need only be
> done
> once. The area of the sky must be specifically defined by the Augur's staff
>
> before any observations are made and I believe that must be done each time
> an
> auspice is requested. If either of these two templum are not properly set a
>
> valid auspice cannot be taken. So, in strict terms, I believe neither you
> nor
> Agricola actually took the necessary steps for an auspice. I am sure that
> Petronius or one of the Augurs can correct me if my understanding of the
> auspices is in error.
>
> Optime vale,
>
> M. Pompeius Caninus
> Bethel, Alaska, USA
> America Boreoccidentalis
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 7:43:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An example of an auspication which is not
>
>
> Aeternia C. Petronio sal:
>
> Right. I was giving an example of the hummingbird to see if it would be
> considered an example of Basic Augury as it were.
>
> So the templum has to be within a certain distance that is pre-selected and
> a contract made with the gods? Before an actual auspice/answer is received?
>
> I'm probably wrong again, but this is a very profound subject and very deep
> thought provoking scenarios at least to me it is..
>
> Vale bene,
> Aeternia
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:28 PM, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > C. Petronius Aeterniae sal.,
> >
> > About auspicia taken by augurs, and only by augurs, is to follow a
> precise
> > ritual.
> >
> > A bird flying from east or from whatever he likes is not an indication
> if,
> > prior, the augur did not design the limits of his "templum".
> >
> > The templum has to said to the people and to the gods before taking
> > auspicies. And before taking auspicies the augur openly says what he
> statues
> > as favorable or not. It is a pact with gods. Now gods knowing what is
> > favourable or not in these auspicies, they can answer with the flight of
> the
> > birds.
> >
> > Optime vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a. d. VIII Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Aeternia Iuliae Catonique s.p.d.

I found this same exact source actually , there was another Greek reference
I found searching online, in a online book called Greek Divination on page
270 lists the Hoopoe specifically and some other birds.. There were a couple
more which I will post tomorrow.

I have been busy prepping announcement posts for the Ludi, so when I get
some form of approval of all systems go, annoucements are ready at simple
clicks of the mouse.

Time has flown by and its battle with the sandman time for Aeternia, sleep
is something that is definitely needed.

Bonam Noctem Omnes,
Aeternia

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 5:56 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Iulia Aeterniae Catoni s.d.
>
> I have only found a Greek source for the Hoopoe, in the play by
> Aristophanes, "Ornithes" (Birds). It appears the bird is used in augury
> "systems" in different traditions but since Ovidus (see below) mentions the
> Hoopoe, maybe it was used in auspicia.By the look of the map on the wiki it
> appears that it is found in Italy today, but this does not mean it had
> migrated in any great numbers in antiquity, I have not found much more.
> Aeternia, what are your sources?
>
> From the wiki:
>
> In Ovid's Metamorphoses, book 6, King Tereus of Thrace, married to Procne,
> rapes his wife's sister, Philomela and cuts out her tongue. In revenge,
> Procne kills their son Itys and serves him as a stew to his father. When
> Tereus sees the boy's head, which is served on a platter, he grabs a sword
> but just as he attempts to kill the sisters, they are turned into
> birds�Philomela into a nightingale and Procne into a swallow. Tereus himself
> is turned into an epops (6.674), translated as lapwing by Dryden[23] and
> lappewincke (lappewinge) by John Gower in his Confessio Amantis,[24] or
> hoopoe, in A.S. Kline's translation.[25] The bird's crest indicates his
> royal status and his long, sharp beak is a symbol of his violent nature.
> English translators and poets probably had the Northern lapwing in mind,
> considering its crest.
>
> Maybe an Augur will comment;)
>
> Valete,
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Aeterniae sal.
> >
> > I'm not sure which birds the Romans would have known, but they probably
> limited augury to those they knew and were comfortable with. I would imagine
> that our College of Augurs could make determinations about "modern" birds
> based on the ones which are attested to in classical literature.
> >
> > Vale bene!
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Aeternia Catoni Omnibusque in foro S.P.D.
> > >
> > > *raises hand*
> > >
> > >
> > > Not to dispute your academic calibur at all Cato, but I've seen sources
> there were other birds including the ones you mentioned, such as the Hoopoe
> (I'm not crazy), the Heron , Woodpecker, Doves, were they not used in Augury
> as much as say the Raven, Owl, Crow, etc because of the popular
> identification in Mythology. Example the Owl being sacred Minerva, the
> Woodpecker is sacred to Mars?
> > >
> > > Yesterday I witnessed a hummingbird flying in the direction of the
> East, it landed towards the direction of right, on a twig and stayed for
> some minutes. I watched it trying to feed on nectar, since I witnessed the
> flight and it's movements? Is that an example of Augury? Reason why I paid
> attention to it closely is the Hummingbird is one of Caeca's favorite Birds,
> and it does a have a role in Celtic Myth.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I had some other questions, but the voice in my head tells me just be
> silent very very silent.
> > >
> > > I suddenly find the study of Augury extremely fascinating now that I'm
> understanding a little more of it than before.
> > >
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > > Aeternia
> > >
> >
>
>
>

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C. Petronius M. Pompeio salutem dicit,

Being in Rome time zone, I have to go to my job and leave for about 10 hours the Forum.
I will give more details later.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VIII Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.

Caninus Aeterniae sal:

I'm not that knowledgeable but perhaps I could consider being a sacerdos for
Vulturnus, Neptune, Mars or Minerva.

I believe we need a lot more Augurs if we are are going to do justice to the
state religio.

Vale,

M. Pompeius Caninus
Bethel, Alaska, USA
America Boreoccidentalis





________________________________
From: Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 8:22:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An example of an auspication which is not

Aeternia Canino sal:

You seem extremely knowledgeable Caninus, like just wow...


No my observation of the hummingbird yesterday was just that an observation,
I was only asking "could" it be viewed as a Auspice in a complete
hypothetical setting.

Nothing more and nothing less.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:14 PM, M. Pompeius Caninus
<m.pompeius@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caninus Aeternia sal:
>
> I believe that technically there must be a templum set for the patch of
> ground
> from which an Augur will make an observation as well as a templum to define
> the
> portion of the sky where the birds will be observed. The patch of ground is
>
> defined in a small ritual that sets specific limits and boundries for where
> the
> Augur will be while making observations, but I believe that need only be
> done
> once. The area of the sky must be specifically defined by the Augur's staff
>
> before any observations are made and I believe that must be done each time
> an
> auspice is requested. If either of these two templum are not properly set a
>
> valid auspice cannot be taken. So, in strict terms, I believe neither you
> nor
> Agricola actually took the necessary steps for an auspice. I am sure that
> Petronius or one of the Augurs can correct me if my understanding of the
> auspices is in error.
>
> Optime vale,
>
> M. Pompeius Caninus
> Bethel, Alaska, USA
> America Boreoccidentalis
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 7:43:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: An example of an auspication which is not
>
>
> Aeternia C. Petronio sal:
>
> Right. I was giving an example of the hummingbird to see if it would be
> considered an example of Basic Augury as it were.
>
> So the templum has to be within a certain distance that is pre-selected and
> a contract made with the gods? Before an actual auspice/answer is received?
>
> I'm probably wrong again, but this is a very profound subject and very deep
> thought provoking scenarios at least to me it is..
>
> Vale bene,
> Aeternia
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:28 PM, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > C. Petronius Aeterniae sal.,
> >
> > About auspicia taken by augurs, and only by augurs, is to follow a
> precise
> > ritual.
> >
> > A bird flying from east or from whatever he likes is not an indication
> if,
> > prior, the augur did not design the limits of his "templum".
> >
> > The templum has to said to the people and to the gods before taking
> > auspicies. And before taking auspicies the augur openly says what he
> statues
> > as favorable or not. It is a pact with gods. Now gods knowing what is
> > favourable or not in these auspicies, they can answer with the flight of
> the
> > birds.
> >
> > Optime vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > a. d. VIII Kalendas Martias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.
> >
> >
> >
>
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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem VIII Kalendas Martias; haec dies comitialis est.

"But it was ordained after all that even he, as he was but a mortal,
should not be fortunate in everything, but should feel some stroke of
the envious god who, having from an insignificant man made him great
in a brief moment of time and raised him to wonderful and unexpected
distinction, plunged him the same day into the unhappy state of being
his sister's murderer. For when he arrived near the gates he saw a
multitude of people of all conditions pouring out from the city and
among them his sister running to meet him. At the first sight of her
he was distressed that a virgin ripe for marriage should have deserted
her household tasks at her mother's side and joined a crowd of
strangers. And though he indulged in many absurd reflections, he was
at last inclining to those which were honourable and generous, feeling
that in her yearning to be the first to embrace her surviving brother
and in her desire to receive an account from him of the gallant
behaviour of her dead brothers she had disregarded decorum in a moment
of feminine weakness. However, it was not, after all, her yearning
for her brothers that had led her to venture forth in this unusual
manner, but it was because she was overpowered by love for one of her
cousins to whom her father had promised her in marriage, a passion
which she had till then kept secret; and when she had overheard a man
who came from the camp relating the details of the combat, she could
no longer contain herself, but leaving the house, rushed to the city
gates like a maenad, without paying any heed to her nurse who called
her and ran to bring her back. But when she got outside the city and
saw her brother exulting and wearing the garlands of victory with
which the king had crowned him, and his friends carrying the spoils of
the slain, among which was an embroidered robe which she herself with
the assistance of her mother had woven and sent as a present to her
betrothed against their nuptial day (for it is the custom of the
Latins to array themselves in embroidered robes when they go to fetch
their brides), when, therefore, she saw this robe stained with blood,
she rent her garment, and beating her breast with both hands, fell to
lamenting and calling upon her cousin by name, so that great
astonishment came upon all who were present there. After she had
bewailed the death of her betrothed she stared with fixed gaze at her
brother and said: "Most abominable wretch, so you rejoice in having
slain your cousins and deprived your most unhappy sister of wedlock!
Miserable fellow! Why, you are not even touched with pity for your
slain kinsmen, whom you were wont to call your brothers, but instead,
as if you had performed some noble deed, you are beside yourself with
joy and wear garlands in honour of such calamities. Of what wild
beast, then, have you the heart?" And he, answering her, said: "The
heart of a citizen who loves his country and punishes those who wish
her ill, whether they happen to be foreigners or his own people. And
among such I count even you; for though you know that the greatest of
blessings and of woes have happened to us at one and the same time — I
mean the victory of your country, which I, your brother, am bringing
home with me, and the death of your brothers — you neither rejoice in
the public happiness of your country, wicked wretch, nor grieve at the
private calamities of your own family, but, overlooking your own
brothers, you lament the fate of your betrothed, and this, too, not
after taking yourself off somewhere alone under cover of darkness,
curse you! but beforeº the eyes of the whole world; and you reproach
me for my valour and my crowns of victory, you pretender to virginity,
you hater of your brothers and disgrace to your ancestors! Since,
therefore, you mourn, p85not for your brothers, but for your cousins,
and since, though your body is with the living, your soul is with him
who is dead, go to him on whom you call and cease to dishonour either
your father or your brothers."

After these words, being unable in his hatred of baseness to observe
moderation, but yielding to the anger which swayed him, he ran his
sword through her side; and having slain his sister, he went to his
father. But so averse to baseness and so stern were the manners and
thoughts of the Romans of that day and, to compare them with the
actions and lives of those of our age, so cruel and harsh and so
little removed from the savagery of wild beasts, that the father, upon
being informed of this terrible calamity, far from resenting it,
looked upon it as a glorious and becoming action. 8In fact, he would
neither permit his daughter's body to be brought into the house nor
allow her to be buried in the tomb of her ancestors or given any
funeral or burial robe or other customary rites; but as she lay there
where she had been cast, in the place where she was slain, the
passers-by, bringing stones and earth, buried her like any corpse
which had none to give it proper burial. 9Besides these instances of
the father's severity there were still others that I shall mention.
Thus, as if in gratitude for some glorious and fortunate achievements,
he offered that very day to the gods of his ancestors the sacrifices
he had vowed, and entertained his relations at a splendid banquet,
just as upon the greatest festivals, making less account of his
private calamities than of the public advantages of his country. This
not only Horatius but many other prominent Romans after him are said
to have done; I refer to their offering sacrifice and wearing crowns
and celebrating triumphs immediately after the death of their sons
when through them the commonwealth had met with good fortune. Of these
I shall make mention in the proper places." - Dionysius of
Halicarnassus 3.21

"The next day has its name, Caristia, from our dear (cari) kin,
When a throng of relations gathers to the family gods.
It's surely pleasant to turn our faces to the living,
Once away from our relatives who have perished,
And after so many lost, to see those of our blood
Who remain, and count the degrees of kinship.
Let the innocent come: let the impious brother be far,
Far from here, and the mother harsh to her children,
He whose father's too long-lived, who weighs his mother's years,
The cruel mother-in-law who crushes the daughter-in-law she hates.
Be absent Tantalides, Atreus, Thyestes: and Medea, Jason's wife:
Ino who gave parched seeds to the farmers:
And Procne, her sister, Philomela, and Tereus cruel to both,
And whoever has gathered wealth by wickedness.
Virtuous ones, burn incense to the gods of the family,
(Gentle Concord is said to be there on this day above all)
And offer food, so the robed Lares may feed from the dish
Granted to them as a mark of esteem, that pleases them.
Then when moist night invites us to calm slumber,
Fill the wine-cup full, for the prayer, and say:
`Health, health to you, worthy Caesar, Father of the Country!'
And let there be pleasant speech at the pouring of wine." - Ovid Fasti II


Today is the celebration of the Caristia, a Roman feast day that falls
between the Feralia and the Terminalia. On this day Roman fathers
would pay special attention to their families. This particular
festival did not have any religious obligations or affiliations, and
was considered by some to be a break in February for Romans from the
multitude of festivals celebrated in this month. As most of the
festivals in Februarius are dedicated to the spirits or manes of the
dead, this festival which centers on celebrating the lives of family
members is indeed a welcome respite.

Valete bene!

Cato

Please see http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Divination and note how auspicia impetrativa and auspicia oblativa differ.

optime vale

Agricola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Pompeius Caninus" <m.pompeius@...> wrote:
>
> Caninus Aeternia sal:
>
> I believe that technically there must be a templum set for the patch of ground
> from which an Augur will make an observation as well as a templum to define the
> portion of the sky where the birds will be observed. The patch of ground is
> defined in a small ritual that sets specific limits and boundries for where the
> Augur will be while making observations, but I believe that need only be done
> once. The area of the sky must be specifically defined by the Augur's staff
> before any observations are made and I believe that must be done each time an
> auspice is requested. If either of these two templum are not properly set a
> valid auspice cannot be taken. So, in strict terms, I believe neither you nor
> Agricola actually took the necessary steps for an auspice. I am sure that
> Petronius or one of the Augurs can correct me if my understanding of the
> auspices is in error.
>
> Optime vale,
>
> M. Pompeius Caninus
> Bethel, Alaska, USA
> America Boreoccidentalis

SALVETE!
 
A. The facts.
 
Aedilis Aeternia asked the augur Agricola to take the auspices based of the question if the Gods will be pleased if are honored during the Ludi.
With one day before to take the auspices, when he read the aedilis message and was almost ready to reply, the earthquake occurs. In that moment augur Agricola concluded the sign as auspices oblativa.
I will not present detailed what auspices oblativa represent but however I point out these: they are spontaneous signs obviously from the Gods (see Cicero:”quod omen di advertant”), not all the time based of the birds flight, sent to an individual or to a group connected with the individual (for example the army commander & the army) and, the most important thing, belong to the expected by Romans proper communication with the Gods where the Gods are supposed to send a warning in case of religious duties negligence.
The aedilis planned the ludi Novi Romani based of the formula one day, one deity honored and asked for help performing rituals. As a note I add the fact that basically, the Dii Consentes were included in the daily ludi celebration. Personally, I had a vague thought from the beginning (presented in the Collegium Pontificum list), knowing that currently in Nova Roma many priesthood positions are not fulfilled and we are in deficiency when it comes about the availability performing rituals. Based of that non availability performing rituals for the Gods included in the ludi formula, I deducted that is very possible as some Gods, for whom rituals are not possible, to be not so happy about that.
In my opinion, the thought I had, was in line with the sign (oblativa) augur Agricola received. Practically, the Gods sent a warning that performing rituals only for some Gods can result in the unhappy of the other for whom rituals are not possible.
Following the course of procedures, in order to obtain the will of the Gods, augur Agricola was supposed to seek for auspices impetrativa. That was his thought, too, as in the next day to continue. I think at one moment he decided to not continue as time the oblativa sign he received represent enough answer to the aedilis question and forcing for another answer is irrelevant.
 
B. Interpretation.
 
If both, augur Agricola facts and my knowledge about what was planned for the ludi are connected together, the result is only one: the question to the Gods didn’t received a positive answer but a warning.
Therefore it was not necessary for augur Agricola to continue with the way of taking auspices in the next day and I agree with him and the correctness of his interpretation.
Therefore as time the warning was sent as a sign (oblativa) to an individual it is not a dirum.
Therefore as time a consul was not involved there are not consequences to the Nova Roman State. It is not a prodigy.
Therefore as time nuntiatio was not pronounced, the sign has not impact to the ludi planned activities and games but to the way the Gods were supposed to be honored through rituals in concordance with the question to the augur.
Therefore the current situation of the lack of priesthood in Nova Roma represents an immediate concern of the Collegium Pontificum.
Therefore the oblativa received show that the Gods have interest in Nova Roma and what remain to us, all involved and responsible with the Roman Religion, is to start to fix the things in proper way showing pietas.
 
C. Solution.
 
After performing a piaculum and based to the analyze of: the auspices oblativa received to the aedilis question corroborated with the current unfortunate situation of the lack of Nova Roma priesthood I, Iulius Sabinus, Pontifex Maximus Nova Romae instruct the following:
 
For aediles:
Ludi Novi Romani celebrating the Nova Roma foundation has a major connection with the primary foundation auspices. The foundation favorable auspices were received from Iuppiter Optimus Maximus therefore the Ludi Novi Romani is dedicated to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus and Nova Roma foundation.
During the ludi, deities can be honored through informative posts or other activities under the aedilis and her cohort supervision.
A piaculum is performed inside the aedilician cohort by the person invested of aedilis.
 
For sacerdotes:
Based of the Roman calendar the celebration of the festive days of the month of March follows the normal way including the expected rituals where is possible.
Concordialia as feriae imperativae is celebrated independently of the upcoming ludi.
Piaculum is required in the name of the Collegium Pontificum – already performed by me.
 
No other auspices are required for the ludi as time at the end of the piaculum I received from Iuppiter Optimus Maximus positive answer:
“For so shall I proclaim and it will be accomplished too”
 
VALETE,
T. Iulius Sabinus
Pontifex Maximus.
"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius




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Salvete

From the Ode to Napolean by Lord Byron

......

XVII
There was a day -- there was an hour,
While earth was Gaul's -- Gaul thine --
When that immeasurable power
Unsated to resign
Had been an act of purer fame
Than gathers round Marengo's name,
And gilded thy decline,
Through the long twilight of all time,
Despite some passing clouds of crime.

XVIII
But thou forsooth must be a king,
And don the purple vest,
As if that foolish robe could wring
Remembrance from thy breast.
Where is that faded garment? where
The gewgaws thou wert fond to wear,
The star, the string, the crest?
Vain froward child of empire! say,
Are all thy playthings snatched away?

XIX
Where may the wearied eye repose
When gazing on the Great;
Where neither guilty glory glows,
Nor despicable state?
Yes --one--the first--the last--the best--
The Cincinnatus of the West,
Whom envy dared not hate,
Bequeath'd the name of Washington,
To make man blush there was but one!


George Gordan, Lord Byron

Happy Birthday George Washington !!!!

Valete,

Ti. Galarius Paulinus,

A distant cousin of George Washington


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Aeternia T. Iulio Sabino Pontifici Maximo Omnibusque S.P.D.


I am seperating what I feel on a personal level (which means saying not one single word), and concluding with the business at hand the show must go on.

Based upon our private e-mail exchanges I'm annoucing the Ludi.


Despite the Dragedy that has occurred, I encourage all citizens to particpate in the upcoming Ludi.


We have an excellent program that was developed, that was worked on exceptionally hard by the Aedilian Cohors.

So on that note please see my upcoming announcement.


Valete,
Aeternia

Sta. Cornelia Valeriana Juliana Aeternia A. Vitellio Celso Aedilis Curulis Omnibusque in foro S.P.D.


We the Curule Aedile Maior and Curule Aedile Minor, do hereby announce this years Official
Ludi Novi Romani 2764 in the year of Consuls
P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator and C. Equitius Cato.

Friends, Romans, come join the Aediles and their Cohors for 13 wonderful days of celebratory excursions
celebrating the 13th year Anniversary of our beloved
Nova Roma! We will be having activities featured on both the Main List and Forum Hospitum List
all through the Day and Night!

The following Activities have been planned for the Days of March 1st-13th :

The Munera Gladiatoria :(The rules will be posted shortly)

The Naumachia: The Famous Sea Battle of Emperor Claudius which took place in 52 A.D. --
Being Reenacted on a Mysterious Location

Quizzes:
I.Mythology Trivia - ( created by the Curule Aedile herself)
II.Roman History Trivia
(Call yourself a Historian? Do you know your History of BOTH Nova Roma & Ancient Roma try this one on for size)
III.Latin Quiz (How well do our Cives know their Latinitas??)

Literary Contest: (The rules & details will be posted shortly )

Featured Artist Of The Day: (Where our more known writers get to display their most favorite previous
and unreleased works.

(Please see more details with the Literary contest rules)

And never been done before in Curule Aedile History!

The Triclinium Chats: ( Gather around the warm hearth in the heart of "The Eagle" and
see some of your favorite stories of the Roman Deities, be told by a interesting point of view)


That's not all, this Ludi will contain LOTS of surprises, pageantry and loot!


So bring your little ones, your sweethearts, err and yourselves, to the Circus Maximus to
celebrate Nova Roma becoming a Teenager!


Vivat Ludi Novi Romani! Vivat Nova Roma!

Vale Optime et Prosperitas,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia (Aedilis Curulis Maior)

Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Vitellio Celso Aedilis Curulis Omnibusque in foro S.P.D.


Friends, and fellow citizens of Nova Roma! The Aedile Curules bring to you this years
Literary Contest.

Taking a bit of a different approach.


The Entries can be Compositions of the Following: Poetry (preferrably), Satire, Parody, Dramatic Monologue,
Short Style Theatre (500 words or less), and Oratory (of one's own creation).



This years Theme is: "The Roman Gods" -- It can be about any Roman Deity-


We just ask that all submitted pieces be done in good taste...



The Top Three Entries will be chosen- The Top winner receives a Prize.


Those on hand to Judge are following individuals.


Magistra et Senatrix A. Tullia Scholastica
Praetor Cn. Iulius Caesar
Pontifex L. Iulia Aquila
Praetor M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus
Aedile Curule Statia Cornelia Aeternia



All Entries must be submitted by March 15th and will be announced on March 20th.

Please submit Entries to the following E-mail address: MusesDream@...
subject header: "Literary Submission"


Gratias et Bona Fortuna!

Vale Optime,
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia

Salvete,


Addendum: Cannot believe I forgot to include this..


***Addendum Notation*** All Entries will be placed on the list of the Sodalitas Musarum.


Gratias.


Valete,
Aeternia

Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Omnes, this very special thing was something I came up with, for again something different.

What the Featured Artist of the Day is basically a concept of some of our more known writers
getting a chance to display some their favorite works, or unreleased materials in a non-competitive setting,
and it would give our newest citizens a chance to see them as well..

For example, you will be seeing selections by myself, revered Vestal C. Maria Caeca, and hopefully some
of our other notable writers.


So if this is something you'd all like to participate in, please contact the following e-mail address.


MusesDream@... and with the subject header "Featured Artist".


Gratias vobis ago.


Vale Bene,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia

C. Equitius Cato consule T. Iulio Sabino pontifice maximo omnibusque in foro SPD

Pontifex, thank you for you explanation and decision. I wish the aediles the very best in the running of the ludi and the People the very best enjoyment in joining in.

Valete,

Cato

Ex officio Tribunus Plebis Gaius Aemilius Crassus

With the auspices having been taken by Augur Gaius Tullius Valerianus
Germanicus and no impediment found, notice is given to the Roman people that
Consul Equitius Cato has called the Senate into session.

Consul C. Equitius Cato has called the Senate to meet during the following
times

Session
Beginning: sunrise, a.d. XI Kal. Mar. (Feb. 19) ; end: sunset a.d. IV Kal.
Mar. 2764 auc (Feb. 26, 2011)
Contio
Beginning: sunrise, a.d. XI Kal. Mar. (Feb. 19) ; end: sunset a.d. IX Kal.
Mar. 2764 auc (Feb. 21, 2011 )
Vote
Beginning: sunset, a.d. IX Kal. Mar. (Feb. 21) ; end: sunset a.d. IV Kal.
Mar. 2764 auc (Feb 26, 2011)

The agenda has a single item - a proposal regarding dual
citizenships/memberships in our Respublica and other organizations.

On a.d. IX Kal. Mar. (Feb. 21) Consul Equitius Cato has extended the Contio
and the voting periods for the following times:

Session
Beginning: sunrise, a.d. XI Kal. Mar. (Feb. 19) ; end: noon pr. Kal. Mar.
2764 auc (Feb. 28, 2011)
Contio
Beginning: sunrise, a.d. XI Kal. Mar. (Feb. 19) ; end: noon a.d. V Kal. Mar.
2764 auc (Feb. 25, 2011 )
Vote
Beginning: noon, a.d. V Kal. Mar. (Feb. 25) ; end: noon pr. Kal. Mar. 2764
auc (Feb 28, 2011)

Valete





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Salvete,


Since this question was raised on the Forum Hospitum list, I'll also address it here.


Languages. Does everything have to be in English.


While it's preferred that's in English..

For those whose first language is NOT English, for a comprable compromise please post in your native tongue and ALSO an English Translation.


Final say on that particular question.

Otherwise good luck and looking forward to the entries!


Valete,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Vitellio Celso Aedilis Curulis Omnibusque in foro S.P.D.
>
>
> Friends, and fellow citizens of Nova Roma! The Aedile Curules bring to you this years
> Literary Contest.
>
> Taking a bit of a different approach.
>
>
> The Entries can be Compositions of the Following: Poetry (preferrably), Satire, Parody, Dramatic Monologue,
> Short Style Theatre (500 words or less), and Oratory (of one's own creation).
>
>
>
> This years Theme is: "The Roman Gods" -- It can be about any Roman Deity-
>
>
> We just ask that all submitted pieces be done in good taste...
>
>
>
> The Top Three Entries will be chosen- The Top winner receives a Prize.
>
>
> Those on hand to Judge are following individuals.
>
>
> Magistra et Senatrix A. Tullia Scholastica
> Praetor Cn. Iulius Caesar
> Pontifex L. Iulia Aquila
> Praetor M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus
> Aedile Curule Statia Cornelia Aeternia
>
>
>
> All Entries must be submitted by March 15th and will be announced on March 20th.
>
> Please submit Entries to the following E-mail address: MusesDream@...
> subject header: "Literary Submission"
>
>
> Gratias et Bona Fortuna!
>
> Vale Optime,
> Sta. Cornelia Aeternia
>

M. Pompeius Caninus Omnibusque in foro S.P.D.

Friends, Romans, come enter your most skilled gladiators in the Munera
Gladiatoria celebrating the 13 glorious years since the founding of our beloved
Nova Roma! The Munera Gladiatoria for Ludi Novi Romani 2764 in the year of
Consuls P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator and C. Equitius Cato is now accepting
entries from Lanistae and all citizens. The gladiatorial matches for this
edition of the games will begin on 3 March 2764 AUC. Assemble now and gather
around the flag of your factio!


All entries must be submitted to m.pompeius@... and must be received by
9:00pm Rome time on 1 March 2764 AUC. Each entry will be confirmed by an email
reply.


Rules are available in both PDF and Microsoft Word 2003 format for citizens and
non-citizens alike by simply sending a request via email to m.pompeius@...
at anytime.



The following rules will govern the gladiatorial games of Ludi Novi Romani 2764
AUC:

1. You may enter one or two gladiators.
2. Your entries must contain:
a. Your Roman Name
b. Your Entry's Name
c. Description and Background History of Your Entry
This need only include gender, birthplace, age, height and weight. Including
more information about your gladiator’s history and background is optional but
strongly encouraged. Here are some suggestions for building a background for a
gladiator entry:
i. Pick an ancient Roman province or area
like Gallia, Hispania, Thrace, Greece, Egypt, etc.
ii. Pick a region in that area.
iii. Pick a tribe, town or village in that
region.
iv. Research a little bit about that tribe and
its environment, culture, friends and enemies, industries, etc.
v. Pick a name for your Gladiator that is
reflective of all of this.
vi. Create a description of your Gladiator
character from all of this.
vii. When you have some spare time, do it several
times again, creating several Gladiators. Remember, just like the real Ludi
games, our Nova Roma characters get injured so you may want to have more than
one gladiator character entered.
viii. As your Ludi characters enter and compete in
various games, you can improve the descriptions of them, based on their results.
ix. Keep all of your Ludi characters in a file
for easy reference.
d. Class of Gladiator
i. Retiarius: A retiarius (literally,
"net-man" or "net-fighter" in Latin, plural retiarii) was a Roman gladiator who
fought with equipment styled on that of a fisherman: a weighted net (rete, hence
the name), a three-pronged trident (fuscina or tridens), and a dagger (pugio).
The retiarius was lightly armored, wearing an arm guard (manicae) made of banded
metal (iron or copper alloy) and a metal shoulder guard (galerus). Typically,
his clothing consisted only of a loincloth (subligaculum) held in place by a
wide belt, or of a short tunic with light padding. He wore no head protection or
footwear. His usual opponent was the secutor but he sometimes faced the
murmillo.
ii. Thraex: A thraex (meaning Thracian, plural
thraeces) was a type of gladiator armed with a small rectangular shield called a
parmula (about 60 cm x 65 cm) and a Thracian short sword with a slightly curved
blade called a sica, about 34 cm or 13 inches long, intended to maim an
opponent's unarmored back or calf. He wore greaves, a metal or thickly padded
linen arm guard (manicae) to protect his sword arm, a belt (cintus), loincloth
(subligaculum) and a broad-rimmed helmet, enclosing the entire head and
sometimes distinguished by a stylized griffin on the front of the crest. His
usual opponent was the murmillo or the dimachaerus but occasionally the
hoplomachus.
iii. Murmillo: A murmillo (meaning “fishman”,
plural murmillones) was a type of gladiator during the Roman Imperial age,
adopted to replace the earlier Gallus. The distinguishing feature of the
murmillo was the high crest of his helmet which, together with its broad rim,
was shaped somewhat like a fish. The murmillo took his name from this
fish-shaped helmet; the word comes from the Greek word for a type of saltwater
fish. He wore a loincloth (subligaculum), belt (cintus), very thick wrappings on
the lower part of his left leg (designed to protect the top of his feet from
attack and from his own shield), a greave (ocrea) on his right leg, a metal or
thickly padded linen arm guard (manicae) to protect his sword arm, and the
curved rectangular shield (scutum) of the Roman legionary. He also carried the
legionary's short, straight-blade sword, or gladius, from which gladiators
derived their name. His usual opponent was the thraex or hoplomachus.
iv. Dimachaerus: A dimachaerus (from Greek
meaning 'bearing two swords', plural dimachaeri) is a class of gladiator
perfected in Nova Roma. In ancient Rome, the dimachaerus may not have been a
class of gladiator but rather a gladiator of a shield bearing class who chose to
fight with a second sword rather than a shield as a tactic or fighting style to
please the spectators. The dimachaerus was armed with two swords of the same
type: either the Thracian curved sword (sica) or the Roman short sword
(gladius). He wore a loincloth (subligaculum), a greave (ocrea), and a light,
visored helmet fitting tightly to the head. His usual opponent was the murmillo
or hoplomachus.
v. Hoplomachus: A hoplomachus (hoplon meaning
"shield" in Greek, plural hoplomachi) was a type of gladiator in ancient Rome,
armed to resemble a Greek hoplite. The hoplomachus wore a brimmed bronze helmet
that could be adorned with a plume of feathers on top and a single feather on
each side, manicae on his sword arm, a loincloth (subligaculum), heavy padding
on his legs, and a pair of high greaves reaching to mid-thigh. His weapons were
the spear and a short sword. The hoplomachus also carried a very small, round
shield, which was as much a weapon as a sword or spear. This shield was used for
defensive purposes but it was also used for ramming opponents at the onset of a
fight and in charges at other points during combat. His usual opponent was the
murmillo or the dimachaerus but he might fight the thraex in exceptional cases.
vi. Secutor: A secutor (meaning "pursuer, plural
secutores) was a class of gladiator specifically developed to fight the
retiarius. Thought to have originated around 50 AD, the secutor was armed
similarly to the murmillo with a curved rectangular shield (scutum), a short
sword (gladius) and a dagger (pugio). Also like the murmillo, he wore a
loincloth (subligaculum), a belt (cintus), a greave (ocrea) on his right leg and
a metal or thickly padded linen arm guard (manicae) to protect his sword arm,
His helmet, however, covered the entire face with the exception of two small
eye-holes in order to protect his face from the thin prongs of the trident of
his opponent. The helmet was almost round and smooth so that the retiarius net
could not get a grip on it. His usual opponent was the retiarius.

e. Type of Tactics
i. "Defensive" tactics (Type 1) adds one
point to the outcome. A gladiator employing Defensive tactics has a 30%
probability of serious injury in the event of a defeat due to fate or from
spectators taking out their frustrations. Defensive tactics are boring for
spectators but work well for the gladiator.

ii. "Standard" tactics (Type 2) neither adds
nor takes away points. A gladiator employing Standard tactics has a 20%
probability of serious injury in the event of a defeat. Standard tactics are
expected and provide no benefit to the gladiator for either combat outcome or
popularity.
iii. "Blitz" tactics (Type 3) reduces the outcome
by one point. A gladiator employing Blitz tactics has a 10% probability of
serious injury in the event of a defeat. Blitz tactics are exciting and very
well received by spectators; thus, they tend to increase the popularity of a
gladiator but do so at the risk of lowering the gladiator's guard and increasing
the risk of defeat.

iv. The tactics of every player are secret and
known only to the aedilis cohors and the player. Tactics will not be revealed or
published until the Ludi Novi Romani gladiatorial contests are completed. A
serious injury will result in the gladiator being removed from the remainder of
competition during the Ludi Novi Romani.
f. Your Ludus
Ludus Albatus – The Whites
Ludus Praesinus – The Greens
Ludus Russatus – The Reds
Ludus Venetus – The Blues
3. Combat in these games will be decided in this manner:
a. One 10-sided die is rolled for every gladiator. The result is the
Combat Number (CN) for that gladiator. This Combat Number is modified by adding
or subtracting a point according to the chosen tactics:
i. Defensive Tactics (+1)
ii. Standard Tactics (+0)
iii. Blitz Tactics (-1)
b. The Combat Number is also modified according to the opponent’s type of
gladiator:
Retiarius versus:
Retiarius (0); Thraex (-2); Murmillo (-1); Dimachaerus (+2); Hoplomachus (+1);
Secutor (0)
Thraex versus:
Retiarius (+2); Thraex (0); Murmillo (0); Dimachaerus (+1); Hoplomachus (-1);
Secutor (-2)
Murmillo versus:
Retiarius (+1); Thraex (0); Murmillo (0); Dimachaerus (-2); Hoplomachus (+2);
Secutor (-1)
Dimachaerus versus:
Retiarius (-2); Thraex (-1); Murmillo (+2); Dimachaerus (0); Hoplomachus (0);
Secutor (+1)
Hoplomachus versus:
Retiarius (-1); Thraex (+1); Murmillo (-2); Dimachaerus (0); Hoplomachus (0);
Secutor (+2)
Secutor versus:
Retiarius (0); Thraex (+2); Murmillo (+1); Dimachaerus (-1); Hoplomachus (-2);
Secutor (0)
c. The gladiator who’s Combat Number, after modification by the type of
opponent and type of tactics, is the highest is the winner of the combat. If
there is a tie then nobody wins and the combat will be listed as a draw.
d. The Fates, and to some degree the spectators in the amphitheatre, may
directly influence the health of a gladiator who is defeated. Any gladiator that
receives a serious injury is eliminated from all combat for the remainder of the
games in order to receive medical care and will thus forfeit any consolation
rounds. An Injury Number (IN) is determined by rolling two 10-sided dice once
for each gladiator that loses a match. The first die will be read as the ‘tens’
and the second die will be read as the ‘units’ thus yielding a number between 0
and 99 when read together.

i. If the defeated gladiator used Defensive
Tactics (Type 1) there is a 30% probability of serious injury, which will occur
if the Injury Number is between 0 and 30.

ii. If the defeated gladiator used Standard
Tactics (Type 2) there is a 20% probability of serious injury, which will occur
if the Injury Number is between 0 and 20.

iii. If the defeated gladiator used Blitz Tactics
(Type 3) there is a 10% probability of serious injury, which will occur if the
Injury Number is between 0 and 10.



Some examples of past entries - in random order:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Dorothea_(Nova_Roma)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Trypho_(Nova_Roma)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Aghira_(Nova_Roma)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lucanus_(Nova_Roma)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Nemo_(Nova_Roma)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Hierocles_(Nova_Roma)

Some links of interest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_gladiator_types
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/warriorchallenge/gladiators/time.html
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/colosseum/a/Colosseum.htm
http://www.helium.com/items/407498-entertainment-in-the-times-of-the-roman-empire

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/Secrets-of-the-Colosseum.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/colosseum/qanda/
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Factio_Albata
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludus_Albatus_(Nova_Roma)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Factio_Praesina
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludus_Praesinus_(Nova_Roma)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Factio_Russata_(Nova_Roma)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludus_Russatus_(Nova_Roma)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Factio_Veneta_(Nova_Roma)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludus_Venetus_(Nova_Roma)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Sodalitas_Munerum_(Nova_Roma)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Regulae_ludorum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Games_(Nova_Roma)
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Aediles_(Nova_Roma)


Deadline: Entries must be received no later than 9:00pm Rome time on 1 March
2764.
Submit entries to: m.pompeius@...
The Munera Gladiatoria will begin on 3 March 2764 AUC.

Please note that no animals will be harmed in this edition of the ludi; thus,
any entries for animals, venatores or bestiarii will be rejected immediately.
Also note that due to improved trauma care and better training, no gladiators
are expected to die in this edition of the games.


Enroll your gladiators in the Munera Gladiatoria matches of the Ludi Novi Romani
now!


The Ludi Novi Romani begins on 1 March 2011, courtesy of your Curule Aediles:

Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia
Aulus Vitellius Celsus

and their staff - the CA Cohors.


Vale Optime et Prosperitas,

M. Pompeius Caninus
Bethel, Alaska, USA
America Boreoccidentalis




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>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
> Raptim...
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> Since this question was raised on the Forum Hospitum list, I'll also address
> it here.
>
> Languages. Does everything have to be in English.
>
> While it's preferred that's in English..
>
> For those whose first language is NOT English, for a comprable compromise
> please post in your native tongue and ALSO an English Translation.
>
> ATS: In the past, we have allowed other languages WITHOUT translation.
> Gualterus and I can read Latin / classical Greek; I can manage French, if not
> ascertain whether anything in French is a literary masterpiece. I can also
> decipher some German. Others among the judges have other language skills.
>
> A translation into English or any second language might not have the
> literary merit of the original, and should not be used as a substitute for the
> original, only as an aid to understanding.
>
> Final say on that particular question.
>
> Otherwise good luck and looking forward to the entries!
>
> Valete,
> Aeternia
>
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Vitellio Celso Aedilis Curulis Omnibusque in foro
>> S.P.D.
>> >
>> >
>> > Friends, and fellow citizens of Nova Roma! The Aedile Curules bring to you
>> this years
>> > Literary Contest.
>> >
>> > Taking a bit of a different approach.
>> >
>> >
>> > The Entries can be Compositions of the Following: Poetry (preferrably),
>> Satire, Parody, Dramatic Monologue,
>> > Short Style Theatre (500 words or less), and Oratory (of one's own
>> creation).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This years Theme is: "The Roman Gods" -- It can be about any Roman Deity-
>> >
>> >
>> > We just ask that all submitted pieces be done in good taste...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The Top Three Entries will be chosen- The Top winner receives a Prize.
>> >
>> >
>> > Those on hand to Judge are following individuals.
>> >
>> >
>> > Magistra et Senatrix A. Tullia Scholastica
>> > Praetor Cn. Iulius Caesar
>> > Pontifex L. Iulia Aquila
>> > Praetor M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus
>> > Aedile Curule Statia Cornelia Aeternia
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > All Entries must be submitted by March 15th and will be announced on March
>> 20th.
>> >
>> > Please submit Entries to the following E-mail address: MusesDream@...
>> > subject header: "Literary Submission"
>> >
>> >
>> > Gratias et Bona Fortuna!
>> >
>> > Vale Optime,
>> > Sta. Cornelia Aeternia
>> >
>
>
>

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Statia Cornelia Aeternia A. Tullia Scholasticae Omnibusque S.P.D.

see comments below.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> > S.P.D.
> >
> > Raptim...
> >
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > Since this question was raised on the Forum Hospitum list, I'll also address
> > it here.
> >
> > Languages. Does everything have to be in English.
> >
> > While it's preferred that's in English..
> >
> > For those whose first language is NOT English, for a comprable compromise
> > please post in your native tongue and ALSO an English Translation.
> >
> > ATS: In the past, we have allowed other languages WITHOUT translation.
> > Gualterus and I can read Latin / classical Greek; I can manage French, if not
> > ascertain whether anything in French is a literary masterpiece. I can also
> > decipher some German. Others among the judges have other language skills.


Aeternia: I am fluent in german, as I have lived in Germany. This is a fair compromise considering that by the laws of NR. English & Latin are the official languages. And we don't want that particular argument raised again.

It's fair.

Vale bene,
Aeternia
> >
> > A translation into English or any second language might not have the
> > literary merit of the original, and should not be used as a substitute for the
> > original, only as an aid to understanding.
> >
> > Final say on that particular question.
> >
> > Otherwise good luck and looking forward to the entries!
> >
> > Valete,
> > Aeternia
> >
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Vitellio Celso Aedilis Curulis Omnibusque in foro
> >> S.P.D.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Friends, and fellow citizens of Nova Roma! The Aedile Curules bring to you
> >> this years
> >> > Literary Contest.
> >> >
> >> > Taking a bit of a different approach.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The Entries can be Compositions of the Following: Poetry (preferrably),
> >> Satire, Parody, Dramatic Monologue,
> >> > Short Style Theatre (500 words or less), and Oratory (of one's own
> >> creation).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This years Theme is: "The Roman Gods" -- It can be about any Roman Deity-
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We just ask that all submitted pieces be done in good taste...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The Top Three Entries will be chosen- The Top winner receives a Prize.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Those on hand to Judge are following individuals.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Magistra et Senatrix A. Tullia Scholastica
> >> > Praetor Cn. Iulius Caesar
> >> > Pontifex L. Iulia Aquila
> >> > Praetor M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus
> >> > Aedile Curule Statia Cornelia Aeternia
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > All Entries must be submitted by March 15th and will be announced on March
> >> 20th.
> >> >
> >> > Please submit Entries to the following E-mail address: MusesDream@
> >> > subject header: "Literary Submission"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Gratias et Bona Fortuna!
> >> >
> >> > Vale Optime,
> >> > Sta. Cornelia Aeternia
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Caninus Agricolae SPD:

I do believe I understand how they differ. I also have great respect for the
work of the augurs, pontiffs and everyone else, both in Nova Roma and elsewhere,
who are breathing life into the Religio Romana in our modern world.

The fundamental issue is that auspicia oblativa are not in response to a
question posed by a magistrate. The very fact that an augur has somehow tied the
oblative sign to a question posed by a magistrate is itself questionable at
best, if not pure nonsense. If the oblative sign occurred while a augur was
actually observing the auspice then there could be a connection between that
particular question and an oblative sign. If the auspicium oblativum occurred at
any other time there is no relationship between a question and the sign. Thus
the auspice that was requested by the Curule Aediles should, in point of fact,
have been observed as planned this morning. The reason behind this is rather
simple:


As the web page you cited clearly states, "Whereas auspicia impetrativa were
initiated by magistrates, auspicia oblativa were manifested by the gods
themselves. Any seemingly significant or unusual human or natural event could be
seen as an auspicium oblativum." The Gods do not require a question for an
auspicium oblativum. The very thought that the Gods would wait until a Curule
Aedile asked a question about how the Gods would view the Ludi to make a sign
that they were displeased with a lack of sacerdotes (which has been the case for
quite some time, I believe) is preposterous. My apologies to you, the Pontifex
Maximus, the Collegium Augurum, and the Collegium Pontificum if this seems harsh
but there cannot possibly be a connection between Aeternia's request and an
earthquake that occurred the night before the observations were planned to take
place. Why? Let us reason together a bit...


In a fully functioning society the augurs may have many requests for auspices
from magistrates and others who are undertaking or planning projects but are
either too busy or too uncomfortable to take such auspices themselves. So, if an
auspicium oblativum occurred while the Collegium Augurum had more than one
request before them, how would the College or any particular augur know with
which request the sign was to be associated? In fact, it would be virtually
impossible to know which of those requests the Gods were responding to if an
oblative sign were meant to be a response to a question that was posed by a
magistrate. This is the very reason why auspicia oblativa should never be
interpreted as a sign either for or against a question posed for auspicia
impetrativa! An oblative sign cannot be interpreted in light of a question that
is on the mind of a magistrate or an augur. It is pure and simply an indication
of the displeasure of the Gods. The only possible exception I could think of
would be if the sign occurred while an observation for an auspicium
impetratrivium was being made, which would be rather like the Gods saying not
just no but absolutely no way should this be understood as a positive reading.


The fact of the matter is the Curule Aediles made the request and was ignored
and had to make the request for an auspice again. Thus, I believe the auspicium
oblativum was more likely a sign of displeasure regarding the College of Augurs
taking so long to answer a request for an auspice. It had nothing at all to do
with the Curule Aediles, the CA Cohors, the Ludi Novi Romani or anything else. I
doubt this sign could be associated with the lack of sacerdotes as I am sure the
Gods would have much more likely been inclined to shake the house of one of the
Consuls, the Pontifex Maximus or the Rex Sacrorum to make that point stick!
Perhaps the Pontifex Maximus has reached the correct conclusion by roundabout
means and this sign is meant to be associated with the lack of priests. But any
kind of reasoning that the sign was somehow related to the Curule Aediles is
completely unreasonable as is any need of a piaculum from the Curule Aediles.

The sign occurred where an augur would see it and not where the magistrates
(Consuls, Praetors, etc.) would see it. The occurred in a way that showed no
connection to the question one particular augur had in his possession. The sign
occurred at a time and place where an observation for that particular question
was taking place. The sign occurred, if I understand the previous posts
correctly, at a time when an augur was considering the preparations for an
observation the following morning. So, the sign was in some way related to the
augurs and not to the question posed by the Curule Aediles.

Again, I stress this is merely an attempt to look at this matter of divination
reasonably.


Optime vale!


M. Pompeius Caninus
A humble soon-to-be citizen with no axe to grind.






________________________________
From: M Lucretius Agricola <marcus.lucretius@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 4:37:39 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: An example of an auspication which is not


Please see http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Divination and note how auspicia
impetrativa and auspicia oblativa differ.

optime vale

Agricola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Pompeius Caninus" <m.pompeius@...> wrote:
>
> Caninus Aeternia sal:
>
> I believe that technically there must be a templum set for the patch of ground

> from which an Augur will make an observation as well as a templum to define the
>
> portion of the sky where the birds will be observed. The patch of ground is
> defined in a small ritual that sets specific limits and boundries for where the
>
> Augur will be while making observations, but I believe that need only be done
> once. The area of the sky must be specifically defined by the Augur's staff
> before any observations are made and I believe that must be done each time an
> auspice is requested. If either of these two templum are not properly set a
> valid auspice cannot be taken. So, in strict terms, I believe neither you nor
> Agricola actually took the necessary steps for an auspice. I am sure that
> Petronius or one of the Augurs can correct me if my understanding of the
> auspices is in error.
>
> Optime vale,
>
> M. Pompeius Caninus
> Bethel, Alaska, USA
> America Boreoccidentalis







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Salvete omnes,
I don't understand the hassle. In Italy everybody knows that a hoopoe is a
bird of bad omen. So much that birdwatching magazines have to stress time
and again that of course this is only a superstition, and plead not to hurt
hoopoes, because they are protected birds.
It is likely that this tradition comes from the times of the Romans, as the
one of regarding owls as ill-omened.

Valete,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:56 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] aw: Hoopoe Re: An example of a negative auspication


Iulia Aeterniae Catoni s.d.

I have only found a Greek source for the Hoopoe, in the play by
Aristophanes, "Ornithes" (Birds). It appears the bird is used in augury
"systems" in different traditions but since Ovidus (see below) mentions the
Hoopoe, maybe it was used in auspicia.By the look of the map on the wiki it
appears that it is found in Italy today, but this does not mean it had
migrated in any great numbers in antiquity, I have not found much more.
Aeternia, what are your sources?

From the wiki:

In Ovid's Metamorphoses, book 6, King Tereus of Thrace, married to Procne,
rapes his wife's sister, Philomela and cuts out her tongue. In revenge,
Procne kills their son Itys and serves him as a stew to his father. When
Tereus sees the boy's head, which is served on a platter, he grabs a sword
but just as he attempts to kill the sisters, they are turned into
birds-Philomela into a nightingale and Procne into a swallow. Tereus himself
is turned into an epops (6.674), translated as lapwing by Dryden[23] and
lappewincke (lappewinge) by John Gower in his Confessio Amantis,[24] or
hoopoe, in A.S. Kline's translation.[25] The bird's crest indicates his
royal status and his long, sharp beak is a symbol of his violent nature.
English translators and poets probably had the Northern lapwing in mind,
considering its crest.

Maybe an Augur will comment;)

Valete,

Julia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato Aeterniae sal.
>
> I'm not sure which birds the Romans would have known, but they probably
> limited augury to those they knew and were comfortable with. I would
> imagine that our College of Augurs could make determinations about
> "modern" birds based on the ones which are attested to in classical
> literature.
>
> Vale bene!
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> >
> > Aeternia Catoni Omnibusque in foro S.P.D.
> >
> > *raises hand*
> >
> >
> > Not to dispute your academic calibur at all Cato, but I've seen sources
> > there were other birds including the ones you mentioned, such as the
> > Hoopoe (I'm not crazy), the Heron , Woodpecker, Doves, were they not
> > used in Augury as much as say the Raven, Owl, Crow, etc because of the
> > popular identification in Mythology. Example the Owl being sacred
> > Minerva, the Woodpecker is sacred to Mars?
> >
> > Yesterday I witnessed a hummingbird flying in the direction of the East,
> > it landed towards the direction of right, on a twig and stayed for some
> > minutes. I watched it trying to feed on nectar, since I witnessed the
> > flight and it's movements? Is that an example of Augury? Reason why I
> > paid attention to it closely is the Hummingbird is one of Caeca's
> > favorite Birds, and it does a have a role in Celtic Myth.
> >
> >
> >
> > I had some other questions, but the voice in my head tells me just be
> > silent very very silent.
> >
> > I suddenly find the study of Augury extremely fascinating now that I'm
> > understanding a little more of it than before.
> >
> >
> > Valete,
> > Aeternia
> >
>

Aeternia Liviae sal:



Thank you Livia for proving my statement of the Hoopoe and it's role in omens!


You rock.


Vale,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
> I don't understand the hassle. In Italy everybody knows that a hoopoe is a
> bird of bad omen. So much that birdwatching magazines have to stress time
> and again that of course this is only a superstition, and plead not to hurt
> hoopoes, because they are protected birds.
> It is likely that this tradition comes from the times of the Romans, as the
> one of regarding owls as ill-omened.
>
> Valete,
> Livia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:56 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] aw: Hoopoe Re: An example of a negative auspication
>
>
> Iulia Aeterniae Catoni s.d.
>
> I have only found a Greek source for the Hoopoe, in the play by
> Aristophanes, "Ornithes" (Birds). It appears the bird is used in augury
> "systems" in different traditions but since Ovidus (see below) mentions the
> Hoopoe, maybe it was used in auspicia.By the look of the map on the wiki it
> appears that it is found in Italy today, but this does not mean it had
> migrated in any great numbers in antiquity, I have not found much more.
> Aeternia, what are your sources?
>
> From the wiki:
>
> In Ovid's Metamorphoses, book 6, King Tereus of Thrace, married to Procne,
> rapes his wife's sister, Philomela and cuts out her tongue. In revenge,
> Procne kills their son Itys and serves him as a stew to his father. When
> Tereus sees the boy's head, which is served on a platter, he grabs a sword
> but just as he attempts to kill the sisters, they are turned into
> birds-Philomela into a nightingale and Procne into a swallow. Tereus himself
> is turned into an epops (6.674), translated as lapwing by Dryden[23] and
> lappewincke (lappewinge) by John Gower in his Confessio Amantis,[24] or
> hoopoe, in A.S. Kline's translation.[25] The bird's crest indicates his
> royal status and his long, sharp beak is a symbol of his violent nature.
> English translators and poets probably had the Northern lapwing in mind,
> considering its crest.
>
> Maybe an Augur will comment;)
>
> Valete,
>
> Julia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Cato Aeterniae sal.
> >
> > I'm not sure which birds the Romans would have known, but they probably
> > limited augury to those they knew and were comfortable with. I would
> > imagine that our College of Augurs could make determinations about
> > "modern" birds based on the ones which are attested to in classical
> > literature.
> >
> > Vale bene!
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tragedienne" <syrenslullaby@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Aeternia Catoni Omnibusque in foro S.P.D.
> > >
> > > *raises hand*
> > >
> > >
> > > Not to dispute your academic calibur at all Cato, but I've seen sources
> > > there were other birds including the ones you mentioned, such as the
> > > Hoopoe (I'm not crazy), the Heron , Woodpecker, Doves, were they not
> > > used in Augury as much as say the Raven, Owl, Crow, etc because of the
> > > popular identification in Mythology. Example the Owl being sacred
> > > Minerva, the Woodpecker is sacred to Mars?
> > >
> > > Yesterday I witnessed a hummingbird flying in the direction of the East,
> > > it landed towards the direction of right, on a twig and stayed for some
> > > minutes. I watched it trying to feed on nectar, since I witnessed the
> > > flight and it's movements? Is that an example of Augury? Reason why I
> > > paid attention to it closely is the Hummingbird is one of Caeca's
> > > favorite Birds, and it does a have a role in Celtic Myth.
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> > >
> > > I had some other questions, but the voice in my head tells me just be
> > > silent very very silent.
> > >
> > > I suddenly find the study of Augury extremely fascinating now that I'm
> > > understanding a little more of it than before.
> > >
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > > Aeternia
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