Salve Crasse,

I thank you very much Tribune for this honest answer and reasonable explanation.
You have restored yet once again my faith in NR citizenry that you, a Tribune, take your oath seriously and my vote was not wasted.

Vale bene,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C. Aemilius Crassus" <c.aemilius.crassus@...> wrote:
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> Salve Iulia et salvete omnes,
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> February. I had decided to wait till today to see if the reporting Tribunus
> did publish the report but obliviously I did wait too long.
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> I will at once make the report and publish it as soon as it is finished. My
> apologies to the people, Senators and Consul Cato as the presiding
> Magistrate.
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> Valete optime bene,
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> Crassus
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>

Ave Julia,

Thank you for your kind words, in French we call this kind of poems "des acrostiches." With the first letter of each verse you obtain key words.

This way of poetry was used by the Sibylla too and, of course, by the Viri Sacris Faciundis, when they have to interpret the Sibyllin books.

For me, it was a real pleasure to make as an acrostich the words Aeterna Nova Roma... and I am happy that this pleasure is shared.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Noniis Martiis P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.

Salve!

The rankings have been updated and appear in the Current Standings section of:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXIV/Certamen_Historicum

I have answers to the questions for days 1 through 4 from you and I hope I will
receive more.


Thank you!


M. Pompeius Caninus
Bethel, Alaska, USA
America Boreoccidentalis





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From: Libero <sa-mann@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 11:40:32 AM
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Certamen Historicum - Questions for Day 4 of Ludi Novi
Romani 2764


What are the actual rankings?

Gallus

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Da: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] Per conto
di M. Pompeius Caninus
Inviato: venerdì 4 marzo 2011 8.57
A: Nova Roma
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Certamen Historicum - Questions for Day 4 of Ludi Novi
Romani 2764

M. Pompeius Caninus omnibus in foro SPD:

It's Day 4 of the Ludi Novi Romani for 2764 AUC!

We are running a Certamen Historicum for this edition of the games. We will
be
posting three history questions per day. Please send your answers to me in a

private email at m.pompeius@... <mailto:m.pompeius%40yahoo.com>
before 11:59 PM Rome Time on 13
March 2764.

Are you not sure what time 11:59 PM Rome is in your local time zone:

12:59 PM Hawaii
1:59 PM Anchorage
2:59 PM Los Angeles
3:59 PM Phoenix
4:59 PM Chicago
5:59 PM New York
10:59 PM London
11:59 PM Rome
12:59 AM Sofia/Tel Aviv
1:59 AM Moscow
7:59 AM Tokyo
9:59 AM Sydney/Melbourne

See the following page for the current time around the world:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?sort=2

Here are the questions for 4 March 2764 - Day 4 of the ludi:

Question #10. Cassius Longinus' investigation in 114 BC condemned 3 Vestals
on
charges of unchastity. What additional steps were taken after the Senate
consulted the Libri Sibyllini?

Question #11. By a law of the Comitia Tributa Sextus Peducaeus had the
investigation of what religious portent taken out of the hands of the
pontifices?

Question #12. The citizens of Nova Roma are members of urban and rural
tribes.
How does a member of a rural tribe become a member of an urban tribe?
For rules and more information, please see our Ludi page on the NR Wiki at:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXIV

Optime valete!

M. Pompeius Caninus
Bethel, Alaska, USA
America Boreoccidentalis

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Salve et salvete,

Great write up - thanks, but armed troops inside the Pomerium???

:-)

Valete,

C. Popillius Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS" <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes
>
> Welcome to Rome on the day of the Naumachia, the great sea-battle re-enacted on our very own river Tiber.
>
> I'm here to bring you a report on the scene in down-town Rome as the crowds are leaving the river. Now ladies and gentlemen, the streets are absolutely packed with people. Everyone has wanted to watch the action down on the river, and stands have been built up on both sides so that the folks can get a good view.
>
> But even those stands have not been enough, and all the streets looking down on the action have been packed, every rooftop, every balcony, every possible vantage point has been completely filled. They must have enjoyed the spectacle. That's something we have not seen very often here in Rome.
>
> And where else in the world could this possibly have been staged? A great show like this needs great people, and let me tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that the people of Nova Roma are the greatest people in the whole world to be able to put on a display like this one today.
> I'm just going to talk to some in the crowd.
>
> "Excuse me Sir, did you enjoy the action down there today?"
> "Oh, I'll say, yes, what an adventure, absolutely fantastic".
> "And did you get a good view?"
> "Oh yes, we were up on the stands they had built, and we could see everything with a bird's eye view"
> "And who were you supporting today?"
> "Oh, I was just cheering everyone, they were all so good. And the boats were moving around so fast, and suddenly finding an opening to attack".
> "Well, thank you Sir, thanks for taking the time to tell us about it".
>
> Now ladies and gentlemen, I was going to try to make my way back up into town, but, let me tell you, the streets are so crowded we can hardly move. Its going to take a long time to clear the streets, and the magistrates and officials have still got to move on to other functions. They've all got a busy day. They were up early to make last minute checks on the preparations, and there will be celebrations afterwards that they have got to get to.
>
> But they have even arranged that, because I can just see some movement starting to open up. I think that must be - just a moment - yes, its a guard detachment, and, if I'm not mistaken, they're from the Seventh Cohort of the Thirtieth, who are in transit through Rome this week. Well, they certainly know how to make the crowds stand aside. I'll see if I can just get in behind them. Excuse me Sir, - can I just - No, you go that way and I'll - there that's better, now I'm right behind the guard.
>
> I can see their commander at the front. He's Centurion Parnesius, and I understand that the Consuls are going to thank him later for the work he's been doing on his campaign. They really do look magnificent, ladies and gentlemen, their equipment gleams, their uniforms have all been refurbished after their long marches, - they really are the pride of our armies today.
>
> And right behind them come the lictors, and here are the Consuls, the Praetors and Censors, the Aediles who are Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia and Aulus Vitellius Celsus - now let me remind you, ladies and gentlemen, that we need to thank those two for arranging these games that we are all able to enjoy for these thirteen days. Aeternia is dashing this way and that, because everyone wants to have the honour of walking beside her and talking to her about the fantastic show she has been in charge of today. There's a little flower girl who is handing out handfuls of petals to throw on the street for Aeternia to walk on. Oh, and that's Gaia Valeria Pulchra, the Aediles Plebis, with Flavia Lucilla Merula, Lucia Iulia Aquila and Vibia Rutilia Enodiaria who have just joined arms with Aeternia and are dancing along together. What happy faces they have, ladies and gentlemen, this must be one of the best days of their lives. Oh I wish you could see this, ladies and gentlemen, I really do. They are really dancing now on the carpet of flower petals - where on earth are all these petals coming from - but the little flower girl still has a full tray and still people are throwing whole handfuls - I can't explain it, but its really an incredible sight.
>
> And right behind Aeternia are the Happy Bees with their little bee emblems. They have been doing all the leg work to make everything run smoothly. Well done you Happy Bees.
>
> The crowd are cheering like mad things, waving banners - ah but wait, the guard have halted. We have now reached one of the squares, and we are out of the crush of the crowd. Now the guard has fallen into line, and Parnesius has marched smartly to the front.I can hear his powerful voice giving the commands. Left turn. Attention. There is a deafening crash as their caligae hit the paved street.
>
> The Consuls move forward, and the Lictors take up position. Parnesius comes forward and - yes, I can see that he is talking to the Consuls, then snaps smartly back to attention and about-turns with military precision to face his men. The guards give him a cheer - now that's not something you often hear from the troops to their centurion, but clearly Parnesius is highly respected by his men. Another deafening crash, and the guard marches off to its duties.
>
> Now Aeternia and Celsus have come forward and are laughing and smiling with the Consuls. And - what's this? - tables of wine and cordials have been brought out, and all the officials are having a welcome refreshment. Aeternia has beckoned to the Happy Bees and here they come to join her for a drink. What a happy team they are, ladies and gentlemen, and how hard they have all worked. I can see they're already in party mode.
>
> And that's not all, ladies and gentlemen. A troupe of dancing girls has appeared. What a delightful sight, ladies and gentlemen, they look so colourful with their hoops of flowers. Over there are the tambourines and flutes, and the girls keep perfect time to the beat. Well, ladies and gentlemen, I must say that the Aediles have thought of everything, and have given the people another round of entertainment jut when we all thought the day's events were over.
>
> But I hear they're not quite over yet, because a party is being thrown over at the Cornelian Compound on Aeternia's villa estate. My colleague Scipius will be covering that later on.
>
> Well ladies, its been a fantastic day here in Rome, one that we will long remember. Now, I think there is a tavern just back there where I can get a drink to soothe my dry throat. Remember to stay tuned for more reports coming your way here today.
>
> Valete omnes
> Crispus
>

Salve Laenas

Thank you, I'm pleased that you liked it.

Okay, I wanted to get one of my characters in on the action, so a bit of writer's licence. Of course, I suspect these were just a ceremonial guard, there to firstly clear a path through the crowds for the magistrates, and second to escort their commander when he was thanked by the Consuls. Which probably isn't historically accurate either!

But thanks, your kind comments very much appreciated.

Vale bene

Crispus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius" <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
>
> Salve et salvete,
>
> Great write up - thanks, but armed troops inside the Pomerium???
>
> :-)
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Popillius Laenas
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS" <jbshr1pwa@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete omnes
> >
> > Welcome to Rome on the day of the Naumachia, the great sea-battle re-enacted on our very own river Tiber.
> >
> > I'm here to bring you a report on the scene in down-town Rome as the crowds are leaving the river. Now ladies and gentlemen, the streets are absolutely packed with people. Everyone has wanted to watch the action down on the river, and stands have been built up on both sides so that the folks can get a good view.
> >
> > But even those stands have not been enough, and all the streets looking down on the action have been packed, every rooftop, every balcony, every possible vantage point has been completely filled. They must have enjoyed the spectacle. That's something we have not seen very often here in Rome.
> >
> > And where else in the world could this possibly have been staged? A great show like this needs great people, and let me tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that the people of Nova Roma are the greatest people in the whole world to be able to put on a display like this one today.
> > I'm just going to talk to some in the crowd.
> >
> > "Excuse me Sir, did you enjoy the action down there today?"
> > "Oh, I'll say, yes, what an adventure, absolutely fantastic".
> > "And did you get a good view?"
> > "Oh yes, we were up on the stands they had built, and we could see everything with a bird's eye view"
> > "And who were you supporting today?"
> > "Oh, I was just cheering everyone, they were all so good. And the boats were moving around so fast, and suddenly finding an opening to attack".
> > "Well, thank you Sir, thanks for taking the time to tell us about it".
> >
> > Now ladies and gentlemen, I was going to try to make my way back up into town, but, let me tell you, the streets are so crowded we can hardly move. Its going to take a long time to clear the streets, and the magistrates and officials have still got to move on to other functions. They've all got a busy day. They were up early to make last minute checks on the preparations, and there will be celebrations afterwards that they have got to get to.
> >
> > But they have even arranged that, because I can just see some movement starting to open up. I think that must be - just a moment - yes, its a guard detachment, and, if I'm not mistaken, they're from the Seventh Cohort of the Thirtieth, who are in transit through Rome this week. Well, they certainly know how to make the crowds stand aside. I'll see if I can just get in behind them. Excuse me Sir, - can I just - No, you go that way and I'll - there that's better, now I'm right behind the guard.
> >
> > I can see their commander at the front. He's Centurion Parnesius, and I understand that the Consuls are going to thank him later for the work he's been doing on his campaign. They really do look magnificent, ladies and gentlemen, their equipment gleams, their uniforms have all been refurbished after their long marches, - they really are the pride of our armies today.
> >
> > And right behind them come the lictors, and here are the Consuls, the Praetors and Censors, the Aediles who are Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia and Aulus Vitellius Celsus - now let me remind you, ladies and gentlemen, that we need to thank those two for arranging these games that we are all able to enjoy for these thirteen days. Aeternia is dashing this way and that, because everyone wants to have the honour of walking beside her and talking to her about the fantastic show she has been in charge of today. There's a little flower girl who is handing out handfuls of petals to throw on the street for Aeternia to walk on. Oh, and that's Gaia Valeria Pulchra, the Aediles Plebis, with Flavia Lucilla Merula, Lucia Iulia Aquila and Vibia Rutilia Enodiaria who have just joined arms with Aeternia and are dancing along together. What happy faces they have, ladies and gentlemen, this must be one of the best days of their lives. Oh I wish you could see this, ladies and gentlemen, I really do. They are really dancing now on the carpet of flower petals - where on earth are all these petals coming from - but the little flower girl still has a full tray and still people are throwing whole handfuls - I can't explain it, but its really an incredible sight.
> >
> > And right behind Aeternia are the Happy Bees with their little bee emblems. They have been doing all the leg work to make everything run smoothly. Well done you Happy Bees.
> >
> > The crowd are cheering like mad things, waving banners - ah but wait, the guard have halted. We have now reached one of the squares, and we are out of the crush of the crowd. Now the guard has fallen into line, and Parnesius has marched smartly to the front.I can hear his powerful voice giving the commands. Left turn. Attention. There is a deafening crash as their caligae hit the paved street.
> >
> > The Consuls move forward, and the Lictors take up position. Parnesius comes forward and - yes, I can see that he is talking to the Consuls, then snaps smartly back to attention and about-turns with military precision to face his men. The guards give him a cheer - now that's not something you often hear from the troops to their centurion, but clearly Parnesius is highly respected by his men. Another deafening crash, and the guard marches off to its duties.
> >
> > Now Aeternia and Celsus have come forward and are laughing and smiling with the Consuls. And - what's this? - tables of wine and cordials have been brought out, and all the officials are having a welcome refreshment. Aeternia has beckoned to the Happy Bees and here they come to join her for a drink. What a happy team they are, ladies and gentlemen, and how hard they have all worked. I can see they're already in party mode.
> >
> > And that's not all, ladies and gentlemen. A troupe of dancing girls has appeared. What a delightful sight, ladies and gentlemen, they look so colourful with their hoops of flowers. Over there are the tambourines and flutes, and the girls keep perfect time to the beat. Well, ladies and gentlemen, I must say that the Aediles have thought of everything, and have given the people another round of entertainment jut when we all thought the day's events were over.
> >
> > But I hear they're not quite over yet, because a party is being thrown over at the Cornelian Compound on Aeternia's villa estate. My colleague Scipius will be covering that later on.
> >
> > Well ladies, its been a fantastic day here in Rome, one that we will long remember. Now, I think there is a tavern just back there where I can get a drink to soothe my dry throat. Remember to stay tuned for more reports coming your way here today.
> >
> > Valete omnes
> > Crispus
> >
>

Salvete,

Nicely written Dexter and thank you.

On Monday, March 7, 2011, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
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> This way of poetry was used by the Sibylla too and, of course, by the Viri Sacris Faciundis, when they have to interpret the Sibyllin books.
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> For me, it was a real pleasure to make as an acrostich the words Aeterna Nova Roma... and I am happy that this pleasure is shared.
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> Optime vale.
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> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
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EX OFFICIO GAII EQUITI CATONIS CONSULIS

In accordance with, and acting by the authority of, the SENATUS CONSULTUM
ULTIMUM regarding dual memberships in general, and in specific that under its
provisions

"The consuls are given direct authority to oversee the application of this
senatus consultum ultimum, especially in coordinating the action of all Nova
Roma officials in charge of its application and with full authority to interpret
and apply its provisions wherever and whenever a question may arise" (SCU art.
5),

I order that from this day forward:

If a magistrate believes that a citizen or applicant to citizenship falls under
the definitions in articles 1 and/or 3 in the senatus consultum ultimum, they
shall report their findings to at least one of the consuls.

The consuls shall confer with the magistrates involved (and, if the
consuls deem necessary, the citizen/applicant in question) and make a
determination regarding that citizen/applicant. The decision of the consuls will be final, and in accordance with the senatus consultum ultimum, not subject to provocatio or veto.

No action shall be taken based on the provisions of this senatus consultum
ultimum against any citizen or applicant to citizenship by any Nova Roman
magistrate of any rank whatsoever without the express written consent of the
consuls.

No edict, announcement, proclamation, or any other written or verbal notice
shall be considered valid or legal unless it is signed by the hands of both
consuls (a single consul may issue this and sign both names with the consent of
his colleague) and published in this Forum and in the Senate House.

Given by my hand on this, the Nones of Martias, in the consulships of P.
Ullerius Venator and C. Equitius Cato

Gaius Equitius Cato
Consul

M. Pompeius Caninus Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

On behalf of Sta. Cornelia Aeternia, here is the seventh set of questions for
the mythology quiz.



Please remember to send the answers PRIVATELY (emphasizing not yelling btw) with
the subject header "Mythology Trivium" to MusesDream@... or phonectically
MusesDream ATsign gmail DOT com.

Again send them private e-mail.

Vulcanus (Dies 7)
1. Give the location of the forge of Vulcanus?
2. Who was the mother of Vulcanus?
3. Which goddess did Vulcanus father Cupid with?

M. Pompeius Caninus
Bethel, Alaska, USA
America Boreoccidentalis

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SALVETE, QUIRITES!

More competitors are needed! Enter the race. YESTERDAY'S QUESTION (No 4) ARE STILL FREE TO ANSWER AND SEND UNTIL TOMORROW NIGHT.

Participate and try to learn a bit about Latin. It's not a problem if you can't answer all questions! The Latin Contest is there for fun, and for
learning. "Winning" is just a side effect of them, but if you win, you will do GET A PRICE.  But if you answer 2-3
questions from all, that's totally fine. When answering, I'll send you
the corrections, and this way you will be informed if you managed to do
it well. It gives you some Latin exercise, and a bit reflection to where
are you at Latin. So I encourage EVERYONE, participate in these Quizzes. Not for winning,
and not worrying if you can answer all days or can't. When you have a
few time, answer questions, and you'll get corrected, and you learned
something, like in school. This is why we are here in Nova Roma.
Constant learning. This is the most
important thing what NR can provide you with.

ANSWERS TO QUESTION 3

See the answers to Question#3 here:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXIV/Certamen_Latinum#Answers_3

RANKINGS - PART TIME RESULTS

1st - P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus - 140 pts
1st - M. Martianius Lupus - 140 pts
2nd - M. Pompeius Caninus - 137 pts
3rd - L. Lucretius Caupo - 40 pts
4th - V. Valerius Volusus - 39 pts

Don't
worry! You can be first and winner even if you enter the race today!
Next questions will be worth huge amounts of points, so you can leave
behind those who are now taking the lead ;)


TODAY'S QUESTION:
       

March 7th - Day 7 of the Ludi Novi Romani – Question 5 of the Certamen Latinum

I. INTRODUCTION 5 - Conjugating Verbs in the Present Tense

We
have so far discussed the dictionary forms of the Latin
nouns and verbs. We tried out how to decline nouns. Today we get a bit more familiar with verbs, and we will try those "formidable" conjugations.

Please review the information about how to determine which conjugation a verb belongs to, following this link:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Conjugation

Today we will practice the Present Tense. This tense is equivalent of the English Present Progressive (I am reading) and Present Simple (I read).

Unlike English, Latin uses verb endings to express the person and number of the verb, and its tense or mood. These endings are in general the same for all conjugation groups, but there is some variation respectively to the stem vowel, which means that while, e.g. the singular third person ending is "-t" in all conjugations, in the 1st conjugation it's realized as "-at", because it's the
A-Stem conjugation, in the 2nd conjugation it's "-et", (as they are the E-Stem) etc.

Please study carefully how the conjugations work in Present Tense:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Conjugation#Present_tense

II. QUESTION 5

Determine which conjugation the following verbs belong to, and conjugate them in the Present Tense (6 x 6 pts).


Follow the guidelines here:



http://novaroma.org/nr/Conjugation



Be careful, and read ALL information on the pages!

video, -ére, vidi, visum (see)
puto, -are, -avi, -atum (think)
lego, -ere, legi, lectum (read)
deleo, -ére, -évi, -étum (delete)
sentio, -ire, sensi, sensum (feel)
facio, -ere, feci, factum (make)

III. AN EXAMPLE HOW TO DO IT:

cupio, -ere, -ivi, -itum (wish);

-
after analyzing this dictionary form, you see that its infinitive (2nd dictionary form) is abbreviated as "-ere", which means that its full infinitive form written out is: "cupere". The infinitive ending "-ere" marks
the Third Conjugation. Therefore you go to the website, and search for
the Present Tense personal endings respective to this conjugation. You will find them and you can give the following forms:

SINGULAR
cupio
cupis
cupit
PLURAL
cupimus
cupitis
cupiunt

IV. RULES OF THE CERTAMEN LATINUM

One
question a day will be posted, participants must send their answers not
to this e-mail address but to  <cnaeus_cornelius@...>
within 48 hours of posting. Please do *not* post answers to the list!
Answers posted publicly or posted to the wrong address will not be
awarded with points.

The correct answers of the previous day and interim results will be announced together with the posting of the next questions.




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Salvete omnes,
I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the following lie
was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.

Quote from Cato:

"You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have me thrown
out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of obtaining power
here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the "monotheists"
who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria Caeca on the
Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."

The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about Maria Caeca.
The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements about Maria
Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I wouldn't find
worth quoting).
Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an answer that
explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he thought that
Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on the gods'
resentment against Nova Roma.

But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER stated that
Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being angry at Nova
Roma.
No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the contrary,
if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in the
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/ group in which
he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca survived a
potentially deadly accident.

What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar, the
propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring political
advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it into a
"fact".
Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did actually blame
the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.

If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical of Nova
Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread the rumour
that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found, signed by
Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to take over
Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their existence and
authenticity.
(Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type of irony
that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the "Protocols of the
Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up with posts
that take their existence for granted).

Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus blames
Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to other
people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
See another quote from Cato:

"Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica Romana" are
responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about Nova Roma
and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not be there.
So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila tacitly
supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma, but They
are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."

Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never blamed
Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that even if he
had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with him does
not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion.

I wish it had not become such a widespread hobby to put into people's mouth
words they never said.

Optime valete,
Livia

Ave!

Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.

I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.

Vale,

Sulla

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:

>
>
> Salvete omnes,
> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the following lie
> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
>
> Quote from Cato:
>
>
> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have me thrown
>
> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of obtaining power
> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the "monotheists"
> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria Caeca on
> the
> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
>
> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about Maria
> Caeca.
> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements about Maria
> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I wouldn't find
> worth quoting).
> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an answer
> that
> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he thought
> that
> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on the gods'
> resentment against Nova Roma.
>
> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER stated that
> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being angry at Nova
>
> Roma.
> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the contrary,
>
> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in the
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/ group in
> which
> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca survived a
>
> potentially deadly accident.
>
> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar, the
> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring political
> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it into a
> "fact".
> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did actually blame
>
> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
>
> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical of Nova
> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread the rumour
> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found, signed by
> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to take over
> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their existence and
> authenticity.
> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type of irony
> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the "Protocols of the
> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up with posts
> that take their existence for granted).
>
> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus blames
> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to other
> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
> See another quote from Cato:
>
>
> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica Romana" are
> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about Nova Roma
> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not be there.
> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila tacitly
> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma, but They
> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
>
> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never blamed
> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that even if he
> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with him does
> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion.
>
> I wish it had not become such a widespread hobby to put into people's mouth
>
> words they never said.
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete omnes

The weather had been fine all day, so that there was no threat to the games, but as the events were drawing to a close the clouds, that had been gathering during the afternoon had thickened, and there had been some growls of thunder. By the time we left the games, the rumblings of thunder were growing louder, and when we were out in the streets the rain started, and there were some real cracks of lightning.

Suddenly there was a huge thunderclap, and the heavens opened.
The streets were running with rainwater as we dashed for cover. We sheltered against a wall, with people rushing past us. Suddenly, across the street, we saw two figures walking briskly but apparently not too troubled by the rain. One was wearing a huge and floppy hat, which covered his head, shoulders and back, and he had a cape around him almost as big as a tent. The other marched at Rome's pace, ignoring the rain completely. It was not hard to guess who they were, and as we followed them they ducked into the Eagle tavern. We joined them in the back room as they took off some wet clothes, and piled them round the fire to dry. The warmth of the fire had kept the room dry, and we all leaned back on the couches together.

"Be well, friend" said Merlinius, and his companion, Parnesius, greeted me warmly. "You looked well covered up against that rain" I said, "but you, Parnesius, you didn't seem to notice it at all." "You've never been a soldier, have you?" he asked. "If you had, you would have learned to march from one end of a Province to the other, in all weathers, and not make a fuss about a little rain".
"Well, that was more than just rain, it was a storm out there". "Not as bad as some we had in Britannia, or those lands that lie beyond our roads. You would think that the gods themselves were hurling thunderbolts at us, but we marched on, keeping perfect time, until the hour appointed for a halt."

"I remember that was how we met", said Merlinius. "I had come down from the mountains just as your cohort marched round the bottom of a pass, and you fell in beside me for quite a few miles"

"What, we, the Ulpia Victrix, fell in beside you, now that's not fair" "Well, no matter, but we marched together all that day, in some of the worst weather I have ever known".

By now a little group had formed, and more were dashing in through the doors to get out of the storm. "All the thunderbolts of Vulcan are on the loose out there" said one. "Why do we say that?" another asked, and before we knew it they were all asking for a story. "Very well, some jugs of Falernian, and you shall have one" said Merlinius.
Once the wine was brought over, Merlinius began.

"First, young man, you must be careful what you say of the gods, and how you address them. You might not think it, but they listen to what you say, and they are powerful. You need to respect them. Now, Vulcan, whose name you rashly used just then, was the son of Iuppiter, the greatest and the best, and of Iuno, the queen of the gods. So pay attention to whom you speak." He gave him a grin when he saw that his lesson had hit home. "Vulcan is a master smith, and his smithy is right underneath that great fiery mountain, down in the south, so that is what you hear when the mountain roars."

"When he was born, you would have expected that, because of his parents, he would have been fair and handsome. But, as these things sometimes turn out, he was small and ugly, with a red, bawling face. Iuno was so horrified that she threw him as far as she could, and he fell for a day and a night, finally landing in the sea. He sank right down to the dark blue depths, where the sea-nymph Thetis, found him, and raised him as her own son. He was happy, there, swimming with the dolphins and playing with pears and shells, and so he might have remained until one day he decided to explore further."

Merlinius took a long pull on his wine, and the group pulled in closer to hear what would happen next.

"Swimming up to the surface, he found himself on a beach, where a fisherman had lit a fire. This was too much for him to resist, because he had never seen fire or learnt about it before. So he took a red-hot ember, placed it carefully in a shell, and took it back with him below the sea."

The first day he just looked at it, and found out how to keep it hot by blowing on it. Next he discovered how to make the fire hotter by using bellows, and soon he discovered that certain stones would melt in the fire to make iron, then silver, and finally gold. Then he discovered that if he heated and hammered those metals, he could make shapes such as swords, shields, broaches and rings. He gave some to Thetis, who liked them so much that she wore them to a party."

Some of the men could guess what would happen next, so Merlinius sipped his wine while they whispered.

"Now, at the party Thetis met Iuno, and Iuno was envious of the jewels, and wanted to know where they had come from. She kept asking, until at last Thetis had to tell her. Then Iuno realised that her ugly son had grown into a talented smith. Iuno wanted him to come back to her, but Vulcan refused. He did, however, make her a wonderful chair of silver and gold. But when she sat in it, she was held fast, and could not escape".

"Seeing her caught in this trap and not able to break the chair that had been so carefully designed by Vulcan, Iuppiter promised Vulcan that he could marry Venus, the goddess of love and beauty if he would set her free. Vulcan agreed, and he and Venus were married. Vulcan was so pleased with his new wife that he made splendid chairs for all the other gods, and even Iuno got a marvellous throne."

Merlinius sipped at his wine while the men agreed that this was indeed a good bargain made by the gods.

"Now, after they were married, Vulcan made a smithy right under his fiery mountain. They say that if Venus is unfaithful to him, or if he is angry, he heats up the fires, and hammers the metals so hard. that smoke, flames, sparks, thunderclaps and molten metal fly up from the smithy into the skies. One day that volcano erupts, with a great loss of life. Then men will again believe that the gods are watching and listening over them, and they will remember their pact."

"Now, do you know what this has to do with Rome?" he asked. "Well down at the Volcanal was an altar with a perpetual fire that was dedicated by Romulus himself. Later on, a temple to Concordia was built in that area, dedicated by the aedilis curulis Cnaeus Flavius. And yet another temple was erected over in the Campus Martius, and games in his honour were held during the festival of the Volcanalia."

"And, of course, whenever there is a thunderstorm, you think of the thunderbolts made by Vulcan and hurled by Iuppiter", said Parnesius. "But look, the storm has ended, the rain is clearing, and it is beginning to look like a better evening outside. Let's finish our drinks, put our cloaks back on, and see if the night watch are still at their posts. They had better not be hiding from the rain, or else they will again come to know what a voice like thunder actually sounds like. Come on, old fellow, time to take to the road."

Valete omnes

Crispus

Salve,


If it is not breaking too many rules, could the link to the CA list be
posted with that specific message? Maybe everyone should see the
cruel vitriol Piscinus posted.

Vale,
Aeternia

On Monday, March 7, 2011, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> Ave!
>
> Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.
>
> I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Salvete omnes,
>> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the following lie
>> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
>>
>> Quote from Cato:
>>
>>
>> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have me thrown
>>
>> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of obtaining power
>> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the "monotheists"
>> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria Caeca on
>> the
>> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
>>
>> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about Maria
>> Caeca.
>> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements about Maria
>> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I wouldn't find
>> worth quoting).
>> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an answer
>> that
>> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he thought
>> that
>> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on the gods'
>> resentment against Nova Roma.
>>
>> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER stated that
>> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being angry at Nova
>>
>> Roma.
>> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the contrary,
>>
>> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in the
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/ group in
>> which
>> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca survived a
>>
>> potentially deadly accident.
>>
>> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar, the
>> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring political
>> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it into a
>> "fact".
>> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did actually blame
>>
>> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
>>
>> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical of Nova
>> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread the rumour
>> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found, signed by
>> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to take over
>> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their existence and
>> authenticity.
>> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type of irony
>> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the "Protocols of the
>> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up with posts
>> that take their existence for granted).
>>
>> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus blames
>> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to other
>> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
>> See another quote from Cato:
>>
>>
>> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica Romana" are
>> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about Nova Roma
>> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not be there.
>> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila tacitly
>> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma, but They
>> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
>>
>> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never blamed
>> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that even if he
>> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with him does
>> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion.
>>
>> I wish it had not become such a widespread hobby to put into people's mouth
>>
>> words they never said.
>>
>> Optime valete,
>> Livia
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Ack triples! Could the praetorian scribes delete the extras?



Vale,
Aeternia

On Monday, March 7, 2011, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
>
> If it is not breaking too many rules, could the link to the CA list be
> posted with that specific message?  Maybe everyone should see the
> cruel vitriol Piscinus posted
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2011, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>> Ave!
>>
>> Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.
>>
>> I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> Sulla
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Salvete omnes,
>>> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the following lie
>>> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
>>>
>>> Quote from Cato:
>>>
>>>
>>> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have me thrown
>>>
>>> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of obtaining power
>>> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the "monotheists"
>>> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria Caeca on
>>> the
>>> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
>>>
>>> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about Maria
>>> Caeca.
>>> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements about Maria
>>> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I wouldn't find
>>> worth quoting).
>>> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an answer
>>> that
>>> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he thought
>>> that
>>> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on the gods'
>>> resentment against Nova Roma.
>>>
>>> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER stated that
>>> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being angry at Nova
>>>
>>> Roma.
>>> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the contrary,
>>>
>>> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in the
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/ group in
>>> which
>>> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca survived a
>>>
>>> potentially deadly accident.
>>>
>>> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar, the
>>> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring political
>>> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it into a
>>> "fact".
>>> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did actually blame
>>>
>>> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
>>>
>>> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical of Nova
>>> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread the rumour
>>> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found, signed by
>>> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to take over
>>> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their existence and
>>> authenticity.
>>> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type of irony
>>> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the "Protocols of the
>>> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up with posts
>>> that take their existence for granted).
>>>
>>> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus blames
>>> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to other
>>> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
>>> See another quote from Cato:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica Romana" are
>>> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about Nova Roma
>>> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not be there.
>>> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila tacitly
>>> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma, but They
>>> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
>>>
>>> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never blamed
>>> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that even if he
>>> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with him does
>>> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion

Salve Aeternia

Done, as you requested.

Vale bene
Crispus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Ack triples! Could the praetorian scribes delete the extras?
>
>
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2011, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> >
> > If it is not breaking too many rules, could the link to the CA list be
> > posted with that specific message?  Maybe everyone should see the
> > cruel vitriol Piscinus posted
> >
> > On Monday, March 7, 2011, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >> Ave!
> >>
> >> Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.
> >>
> >> I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.
> >>
> >> Vale,
> >>
> >> Sulla
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Salvete omnes,
> >>> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the following lie
> >>> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
> >>>
> >>> Quote from Cato:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have me thrown
> >>>
> >>> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of obtaining power
> >>> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the "monotheists"
> >>> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria Caeca on
> >>> the
> >>> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
> >>>
> >>> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about Maria
> >>> Caeca.
> >>> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements about Maria
> >>> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I wouldn't find
> >>> worth quoting).
> >>> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an answer
> >>> that
> >>> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he thought
> >>> that
> >>> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on the gods'
> >>> resentment against Nova Roma.
> >>>
> >>> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER stated that
> >>> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being angry at Nova
> >>>
> >>> Roma.
> >>> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the contrary,
> >>>
> >>> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in the
> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/ group in
> >>> which
> >>> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca survived a
> >>>
> >>> potentially deadly accident.
> >>>
> >>> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar, the
> >>> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring political
> >>> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it into a
> >>> "fact".
> >>> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did actually blame
> >>>
> >>> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
> >>>
> >>> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical of Nova
> >>> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread the rumour
> >>> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found, signed by
> >>> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to take over
> >>> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their existence and
> >>> authenticity.
> >>> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type of irony
> >>> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the "Protocols of the
> >>> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up with posts
> >>> that take their existence for granted).
> >>>
> >>> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus blames
> >>> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to other
> >>> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
> >>> See another quote from Cato:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica Romana" are
> >>> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about Nova Roma
> >>> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not be there.
> >>> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila tacitly
> >>> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma, but They
> >>> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
> >>>
> >>> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never blamed
> >>> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that even if he
> >>> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with him does
> >>> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion
>

SALVE!

Anyone can read it here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Collegium_Augurum/message/112

VALE,
Sabinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
>
> If it is not breaking too many rules, could the link to the CA list be
> posted with that specific message? Maybe everyone should see the
> cruel vitriol Piscinus posted.
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2011, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> > Ave!
> >
> > Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.
> >
> > I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Salvete omnes,
> >> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the following lie
> >> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
> >>
> >> Quote from Cato:
> >>
> >>
> >> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have me thrown
> >>
> >> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of obtaining power
> >> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the "monotheists"
> >> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria Caeca on
> >> the
> >> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
> >>
> >> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about Maria
> >> Caeca.
> >> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements about Maria
> >> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I wouldn't find
> >> worth quoting).
> >> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an answer
> >> that
> >> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he thought
> >> that
> >> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on the gods'
> >> resentment against Nova Roma.
> >>
> >> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER stated that
> >> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being angry at Nova
> >>
> >> Roma.
> >> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the contrary,
> >>
> >> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in the
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/ group in
> >> which
> >> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca survived a
> >>
> >> potentially deadly accident.
> >>
> >> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar, the
> >> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring political
> >> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it into a
> >> "fact".
> >> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did actually blame
> >>
> >> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
> >>
> >> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical of Nova
> >> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread the rumour
> >> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found, signed by
> >> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to take over
> >> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their existence and
> >> authenticity.
> >> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type of irony
> >> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the "Protocols of the
> >> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up with posts
> >> that take their existence for granted).
> >>
> >> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus blames
> >> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to other
> >> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
> >> See another quote from Cato:
> >>
> >>
> >> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica Romana" are
> >> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about Nova Roma
> >> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not be there.
> >> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila tacitly
> >> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma, but They
> >> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
> >>
> >> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never blamed
> >> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that even if he
> >> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with him does
> >> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion.
> >>
> >> I wish it had not become such a widespread hobby to put into people's mouth
> >>
> >> words they never said.
> >>
> >> Optime valete,
> >> Livia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Salvete omnes! This is Marcus Pompeius Caninus with the results of the Finals
from the Flavian Amphitheater for the Munera Gladiatoria of the Ludi Novi
Romani for 2764!


The weather, which has been truly wonderful for all of the matches over the
past few days, has cooperated once again. But a storm blew in our final two
gladiatores completed their match and the victor received his congratulations
from the Consuls and the citizens who attended the games.


The final match in this munera pitted Sura, a Thraex representing Ludus
Albatus, against Attalus the Briton, a Secutor from Ludus Municius. The two men
were very different in stature, with Attalus much shorter and leaner than Sura.
The task set before Attalus this afternoon was to quickly find a opening in
Sura’s defenses and disable Sura before time in the arena worked against the
advantages favoring the pursuer early in the round.


While Sura did very well in the earlier rounds, it seemed apparent the crowd
was favoring Attalus in this final match of the series. The secutor made
several well timed charges against the thraex. At one point, Attalus almost
removed the shield from Sura’s hand but Sura quickly recovered and was able to
fend off the attack while the crowd cheered Attalus. However, after a several
more minutes of chasing the thraex, the strain of the fight began to show in
the movements of the secutor. Sura used very safe and sure defensive tactics to
prevent Attalus from removing his shield or getting to his back. The dance took
its toll on both fighters but as the secutor pounced, for what would be his
last attack, the thraex countered with a charge of his own crashing into the
secutor. The men fell to the ground but Sura maintained his composure and
pinned Attalus firmly. It was clear there would be no escape.


In the caveae, thousands of thumbs indicated they wanted Attalus to be spared.
In the cella, Aedilis Aeterina turned her head toward Consuls Ullerius
Stephanus Venator and Equitius Cato as they said in unison, “Mitte”. The crowd
erupted into cheers as the judge loudly and clearly pronounced: ”Sura victor,
Attalus mittatur!”


Let us all congratulate Sura on his victory and all of those gladiatores who
have competed in the munera!


Thank you for your support and patronage of the Munera Gladiatoria. On behalf
of the Curule Aediles and the athletes, this is Marcus Pompeius Caninus bidding
you a good day and good fortune!


Di vos incolumes custodiant!

M. Pompeius Caninus
Bethel, Alaska, USA
America Boreoccidentalis

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The final placements for the top eight gladiatores of the Munera Gladiatoria for
Ludi Novi Romani 2764:


1st Place: Sura

2nd Place: Attalus the Briton

3rd Place: Llacheu

4th Place: Drest

5th Place: Pricus

6th Place: Aello the Amazon

7th Place: Bjarni

8th Place: Tinashe

A big thank you to everyone who participated in this munera gladiatoria!


M. Pompeius Caninus
Bethel, Alaska, USA
America Boreoccidentalis

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Sabine,
thanks for the link. The post was never referred to before, so of course I
based my opinion on what was posted here.
After reading this post, which is very circumstantiated, I have to say I
totally agree with it.

I fully expect to be expelled for daring to express my opinion.

I have to note that there is no "cruel vitriol" involved in the post. In
fact, only positive words are spent about Maria Caeca.

However there are statements of facts that may be unpleasant, but are hard
to overlook. The fact is that lately anyone doing a religious ritual on
behalf of Nova Roma is in danger of receiving strong warnings. Agricola got
an earthquake just for thinking of taking auspices for NR.
I do hope that none of my friends, including you, Sabine, will be on the
receiving end of similar warnings in the future.

By the way, I'm very sorry for what happened to Maria Caeca, but I'm even
more sorry for the continuous violation of her privacy that is being
perpetrated in this mailing list.

I'm pretty sure that, were I to have an accident and go to hospital, I would
not want any mailing list at large to know about all the details of the
workings and failures of my anatomy.

I do not want to know details of what surgery poor Caeca underwent or will
undergo. More generic information would be perfectly sufficient.

Optime vale,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:01 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship and the SCU


SALVE!

Anyone can read it here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Collegium_Augurum/message/112

VALE,
Sabinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
>
> If it is not breaking too many rules, could the link to the CA list be
> posted with that specific message? Maybe everyone should see the
> cruel vitriol Piscinus posted.
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2011, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> > Ave!
> >
> > Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.
> >
> > I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Salvete omnes,
> >> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the following
> >> lie
> >> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
> >>
> >> Quote from Cato:
> >>
> >>
> >> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have me
> >> thrown
> >>
> >> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of obtaining
> >> power
> >> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the
> >> "monotheists"
> >> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria Caeca
> >> on
> >> the
> >> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
> >>
> >> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about Maria
> >> Caeca.
> >> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements about
> >> Maria
> >> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I wouldn't find
> >> worth quoting).
> >> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an answer
> >> that
> >> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he thought
> >> that
> >> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on the
> >> gods'
> >> resentment against Nova Roma.
> >>
> >> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER stated that
> >> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being angry at
> >> Nova
> >>
> >> Roma.
> >> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the
> >> contrary,
> >>
> >> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in the
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/ group in
> >> which
> >> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca
> >> survived a
> >>
> >> potentially deadly accident.
> >>
> >> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar, the
> >> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring political
> >> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it into
> >> a
> >> "fact".
> >> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did actually
> >> blame
> >>
> >> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
> >>
> >> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical of
> >> Nova
> >> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread the
> >> rumour
> >> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found, signed by
> >> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to take
> >> over
> >> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their existence and
> >> authenticity.
> >> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type of
> >> irony
> >> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the "Protocols of
> >> the
> >> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up with
> >> posts
> >> that take their existence for granted).
> >>
> >> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus blames
> >> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to other
> >> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
> >> See another quote from Cato:
> >>
> >>
> >> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica Romana" are
> >> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about Nova
> >> Roma
> >> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not be
> >> there.
> >> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila tacitly
> >> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma, but
> >> They
> >> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
> >>
> >> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never blamed
> >> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that even if
> >> he
> >> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with him
> >> does
> >> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion.
> >>
> >> I wish it had not become such a widespread hobby to put into people's
> >> mouth
> >>
> >> words they never said.
> >>
> >> Optime valete,
> >> Livia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Canino s.d.

May you please remind us the type of the gladiator, her/his owner, and her/his factio ?

Thanks, at this point, for the whole work that you did, with Crispus and others, under our aedilis' oversight.

Tibi gratias, et vale Pompei,


Albucius csr

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Pompeius Caninus" <m.pompeius@...> wrote:
>
> The final placements for the top eight gladiatores of the Munera Gladiatoria for
> Ludi Novi Romani 2764:
>
>
> 1st Place: Sura
>
> 2nd Place: Attalus the Briton
>
> 3rd Place: Llacheu
>
> 4th Place: Drest
>
> 5th Place: Pricus
>
> 6th Place: Aello the Amazon
>
> 7th Place: Bjarni
>
> 8th Place: Tinashe
>
> A big thank you to everyone who participated in this munera gladiatoria!
>
>
> M. Pompeius Caninus
> Bethel, Alaska, USA
> America Boreoccidentalis
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The final placements for the top eight gladiatores of the Munera Gladiatoria for
Ludi Novi Romani 2764:

1st Place: Sura owned by Gaius Petronius Africanus of Ludus Albatus

2nd Place: Attalus the Briton owned by Quintus Fabius Maximus of Ludus Municius

3rd Place: Llacheu owned by Helena Galeria Aureliana of Ludus Venetus

4th Place: Drest owned by Gnaeus Julius Caesar of Ludus Praesinus

5th Place: Pricus owned by Tiberius Galerius Paulinus of Ludus Venetus

6th Place: Alleo the Amazon owned by Gaius Petronius Africanus of Ludus Albatus

7th Place: Bjarni owned by Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus of Ludus Venetus

8th Place: Tinashe owned by Gaius Petronius Africanus of Ludus Albatus



M. Pompeius Caninus
Bethel, Alaska, USA
America Boreoccidentalis





________________________________
From: publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 4:10:01 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Top eight gladiatores of Ludi Novi Romani 2764


Canino s.d.

May you please remind us the type of the gladiator, her/his owner, and her/his
factio ?

Thanks, at this point, for the whole work that you did, with Crispus and others,
under our aedilis' oversight.

Tibi gratias, et vale Pompei,

Albucius csr

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Pompeius Caninus" <m.pompeius@...> wrote:
>
> The final placements for the top eight gladiatores of the Munera Gladiatoria
>for
>
> Ludi Novi Romani 2764:
>
>
> 1st Place: Sura
>
> 2nd Place: Attalus the Briton
>
> 3rd Place: Llacheu
>
> 4th Place: Drest
>
> 5th Place: Pricus
>
> 6th Place: Aello the Amazon
>
> 7th Place: Bjarni
>
> 8th Place: Tinashe
>
> A big thank you to everyone who participated in this munera gladiatoria!
>
>
> M. Pompeius Caninus
> Bethel, Alaska, USA
> America Boreoccidentalis
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Omnibus s.d.

Sincere congratulations to albatus Africanus, and to all owners !

Valete,


Albucius csr

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Pompeius Caninus" <m.pompeius@...> wrote:
>
> The final placements for the top eight gladiatores of the Munera Gladiatoria for
> Ludi Novi Romani 2764:
>
> 1st Place: Sura owned by Gaius Petronius Africanus of Ludus Albatus
>
> 2nd Place: Attalus the Briton owned by Quintus Fabius Maximus of Ludus Municius
>
> 3rd Place: Llacheu owned by Helena Galeria Aureliana of Ludus Venetus
>
> 4th Place: Drest owned by Gnaeus Julius Caesar of Ludus Praesinus
>
> 5th Place: Pricus owned by Tiberius Galerius Paulinus of Ludus Venetus
>
> 6th Place: Alleo the Amazon owned by Gaius Petronius Africanus of Ludus Albatus
>
> 7th Place: Bjarni owned by Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus of Ludus Venetus
>
> 8th Place: Tinashe owned by Gaius Petronius Africanus of Ludus Albatus
>
>
>
> M. Pompeius Caninus
> Bethel, Alaska, USA
> America Boreoccidentalis
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 4:10:01 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Top eight gladiatores of Ludi Novi Romani 2764
>
>
> Canino s.d.
>
> May you please remind us the type of the gladiator, her/his owner, and her/his
> factio ?
>
> Thanks, at this point, for the whole work that you did, with Crispus and others,
> under our aedilis' oversight.
>
> Tibi gratias, et vale Pompei,
>
> Albucius csr
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Pompeius Caninus" <m.pompeius@> wrote:
> >
> > The final placements for the top eight gladiatores of the Munera Gladiatoria
> >for
> >
> > Ludi Novi Romani 2764:
> >
> >
> > 1st Place: Sura
> >
> > 2nd Place: Attalus the Briton
> >
> > 3rd Place: Llacheu
> >
> > 4th Place: Drest
> >
> > 5th Place: Pricus
> >
> > 6th Place: Aello the Amazon
> >
> > 7th Place: Bjarni
> >
> > 8th Place: Tinashe
> >
> > A big thank you to everyone who participated in this munera gladiatoria!
> >
> >
> > M. Pompeius Caninus
> > Bethel, Alaska, USA
> > America Boreoccidentalis
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Aeternia L. Liviae Plautae sal:


We are only going to have this conversation only once.


If you want to attempt to be a martyr for Piscinus then by all means do so
good luck with it, I hope that you and the rest of the citizens of the RPR
find the joy they were unable to attain in Nova Roma. So besides watching
the supposed train wreck, one must ask Livia. Why are you still a citizen
here?


But do not include Caeca in that martyrdom please do not, and trust me when
I say this... A lot of the details of the accident involving the Vestal has
been kept out, but you know what she is very loved here and people are
concerned about her welfare, especially myself, and when one of our most
beloved is hurt yes people want to know. I'm sure if the situation were
reversed, I'm sure you'd feel a little jaded if no one inquired or showed
any concern about your well being.

Livia be a martyr if you must but please do it without the shade green known
as jealousy.

Vale,
Aeternia

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:05 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:

>
>
> Salve Sabine,
> thanks for the link. The post was never referred to before, so of course I
> based my opinion on what was posted here.
> After reading this post, which is very circumstantiated, I have to say I
> totally agree with it.
>
> I fully expect to be expelled for daring to express my opinion.
>
> I have to note that there is no "cruel vitriol" involved in the post. In
> fact, only positive words are spent about Maria Caeca.
>
> However there are statements of facts that may be unpleasant, but are hard
> to overlook. The fact is that lately anyone doing a religious ritual on
> behalf of Nova Roma is in danger of receiving strong warnings. Agricola got
> an earthquake just for thinking of taking auspices for NR.
> I do hope that none of my friends, including you, Sabine, will be on the
> receiving end of similar warnings in the future.
>
> By the way, I'm very sorry for what happened to Maria Caeca, but I'm even
> more sorry for the continuous violation of her privacy that is being
> perpetrated in this mailing list.
>
> I'm pretty sure that, were I to have an accident and go to hospital, I
> would
> not want any mailing list at large to know about all the details of the
> workings and failures of my anatomy.
>
> I do not want to know details of what surgery poor Caeca underwent or will
> undergo. More generic information would be perfectly sufficient.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:01 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship and the SCU
>
> SALVE!
>
> Anyone can read it here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Collegium_Augurum/message/112
>
> VALE,
> Sabinus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> >
> > If it is not breaking too many rules, could the link to the CA list be
> > posted with that specific message? Maybe everyone should see the
> > cruel vitriol Piscinus posted.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Monday, March 7, 2011, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> > > Ave!
> > >
> > > Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.
> > >
> > > I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@
> ...>wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Salvete omnes,
> > >> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the following
> > >> lie
> > >> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
> > >>
> > >> Quote from Cato:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have me
> > >> thrown
> > >>
> > >> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of obtaining
> > >> power
> > >> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the
> > >> "monotheists"
> > >> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria Caeca
> > >> on
> > >> the
> > >> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
> > >>
> > >> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about Maria
> > >> Caeca.
> > >> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements about
> > >> Maria
> > >> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I wouldn't
> find
> > >> worth quoting).
> > >> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an
> answer
> > >> that
> > >> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he
> thought
> > >> that
> > >> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on the
> > >> gods'
> > >> resentment against Nova Roma.
> > >>
> > >> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER stated
> that
> > >> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being angry at
> > >> Nova
> > >>
> > >> Roma.
> > >> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the
> > >> contrary,
> > >>
> > >> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in the
> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/ group
> in
> > >> which
> > >> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca
> > >> survived a
> > >>
> > >> potentially deadly accident.
> > >>
> > >> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar, the
> > >> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring political
> > >> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it into
> > >> a
> > >> "fact".
> > >> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did actually
> > >> blame
> > >>
> > >> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
> > >>
> > >> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical of
> > >> Nova
> > >> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread the
> > >> rumour
> > >> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found, signed by
> > >> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to take
> > >> over
> > >> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their existence
> and
> > >> authenticity.
> > >> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type of
> > >> irony
> > >> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the "Protocols of
> > >> the
> > >> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up with
> > >> posts
> > >> that take their existence for granted).
> > >>
> > >> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus blames
> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to other
> > >> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
> > >> See another quote from Cato:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica Romana"
> are
> > >> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about Nova
> > >> Roma
> > >> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not be
> > >> there.
> > >> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila tacitly
> > >> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma, but
> > >> They
> > >> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
> > >>
> > >> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never
> blamed
> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that even
> if
> > >> he
> > >> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with him
> > >> does
> > >> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion.
> > >>
> > >> I wish it had not become such a widespread hobby to put into people's
> > >> mouth
> > >>
> > >> words they never said.
> > >>
> > >> Optime valete,
> > >> Livia
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

EDICTUM DE INTERCESSIONE
INTERCESSIO EDICT

Ex officio Tribuni Plebis Gaii Tullii Valeriani Germanici

In accordance with article VII.a of the Constitution of Nova Rome,
related to intercessio, in which a Tribune may "pronounce intercessio
against the actions of any other magistrate (with the exception of the
dictator and the interrex), which would include the notae of the
censors, and that the Constitution of Nova Roma allows the censors to
issue notae in order to "safeguard public morality and honor," but
that public morality and honor is certainly not served by attacking
free expression of cultus privatus, and that the . expression of one's
cultus privatus is not to be construed as an attack upon the cultus
publicus deorum. Never in the history of Nova Roma have such
statements been considered a threat worthy of censorial notae, and
such statements may in fact be considered a part of Nova Roma's
budding Mos Maiorum. In no way did the statements of Cato and Audens
show disrespect to the religion of Nova Roma, nor threaten it in any
way, therefore

I, Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus, Tribune of the Plebs in
office, according the Constitution and the laws of Nova Roma oppose,
by the present edict, my veto to Notae proclaimed by the censors
Publius Memmius Albucius and Titus Iulius Sabinus against senator
Marcus Minucius Audens and consul Gaius Equitius Cato. This veto is an
intercession according to the Cosntitution and laws of Nova Roma.

Issued this day, the Nones of March in the first year of the Consulate
of Gaius Equitius Cato and Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator.


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Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

I would like to extend a congratulations and a big thank you to all those
who participated in Munera Gladiatoria Battles, everyone is a winner. It
was very nice to see Helena Galeria Aureliana who is often not heard from in
the main forum step up with her Gladiator,and our Praetor Cn. Iulius Caesar
he stopped his silver polishing to participate (lol) and a very special
thank to you our new citizens who decided to be bold and enter as well.

**applauds to all**

and of course my thanks and deep appreciation to M. Pompeius Caninus for
volunteering to do this and respecting my wishes and concerns and still
pulled off an excellent Munera Gladiatoria.

Bravo Caninus! **applauds**


Vale Optime,
Aeternia


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Cn. Iulius Caesar Praetor sal.

Ex officio.

I refer to Section II.A.1 of the Lex Didia Gemina de potestate tribunicia. Three components have to be present for a Tribunician veto to be valid, according to this law.

a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the Tribunus Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of the citizen(s) on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided auxilium ex officio.
b. The official name and office of the magistrate(s) against whose act or acts the intercessio or auxilium has been interposed.
c. The article(s) of the Constitution or the leges violated by the magistrate's act(s).

In respect of the intercessio of C, Tullius Valerianus Tribune, I see (a) and (b), but not (c). Without a specific section of the law or Constitution that is being violated in the letter or spirit, then this cannot legally be complete. So says the law. Therefore would the good Tribune assist in specifying the missing element?

Optime valete





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omnibus s.d.

I extend a hand of fellowship and sincer congradulations to all those who took
part in the  Munera Gladiatoria for Ludi Novi Romani 2764:  Especially to the
Gladators for such a fine showing.

C. Petronius Africanus
Orem, Utah USA
M. Pompeius Caninus
America Astroccidentalis


________________________________

From: publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 7:03:17 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Top eight gladiatores of Ludi Novi Romani 2764

Omnibus s.d.

Sincere congratulations to albatus Africanus, and to all owners !

Valete,

Albucius csr

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Pompeius Caninus" <m.pompeius@...> wrote:
>
> The final placements for the top eight gladiatores of the Munera Gladiatoria
>for
>
> Ludi Novi Romani 2764:
>
> 1st Place: Sura owned by Gaius Petronius Africanus of Ludus Albatus
>
> 2nd Place: Attalus the Briton owned by Quintus Fabius Maximus of Ludus
Municius
>
> 3rd Place: Llacheu owned by Helena Galeria Aureliana of Ludus Venetus
>
> 4th Place: Drest owned by Gnaeus Julius Caesar of Ludus Praesinus
>
> 5th Place: Pricus owned by Tiberius Galerius Paulinus of Ludus Venetus
>
> 6th Place: Alleo the Amazon owned by Gaius Petronius Africanus of Ludus
Albatus
>
> 7th Place: Bjarni owned by Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus of Ludus
Venetus
>
> 8th Place: Tinashe owned by Gaius Petronius Africanus of Ludus Albatus
>
>
>
> M. Pompeius Caninus
> Bethel, Alaska, USA
> America Boreoccidentalis
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 4:10:01 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Top eight gladiatores of Ludi Novi Romani 2764
>
>
> Canino s.d.
>
> May you please remind us the type of the gladiator, her/his owner, and her/his

> factio ?
>
> Thanks, at this point, for the whole work that you did, with Crispus and
>others,
>
> under our aedilis' oversight.
>
> Tibi gratias, et vale Pompei,
>
> Albucius csr
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Pompeius Caninus" <m.pompeius@> wrote:
> >
> > The final placements for the top eight gladiatores of the Munera Gladiatoria

> >for
> >
> > Ludi Novi Romani 2764:
> >
> >
> > 1st Place: Sura
> >
> > 2nd Place: Attalus the Briton
> >
> > 3rd Place: Llacheu
> >
> > 4th Place: Drest
> >
> > 5th Place: Pricus
> >
> > 6th Place: Aello the Amazon
> >
> > 7th Place: Bjarni
> >
> > 8th Place: Tinashe
> >
> > A big thank you to everyone who participated in this munera gladiatoria!
> >
> >
> > M. Pompeius Caninus
> > Bethel, Alaska, USA
> > America Boreoccidentalis
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







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M. Pompeius Caninus omnibus in foro SPD:

It's Day 8 of the Ludi Novi Romani for 2764 AUC!

We are running a Certamen Historicum for this edition of the games. We will be
posting three history questions per day. Please send your answers to me in a
private email at m.pompeius@... before 11:59 PM Rome Time on 13
March 2764.

Are you not sure what time 11:59 PM Rome is in your local time zone:

12:59 PM Hawaii
1:59 PM Anchorage
2:59 PM Los Angeles
3:59 PM Phoenix
4:59 PM Chicago
5:59 PM New York
10:59 PM London
11:59 PM Rome
12:59 AM Sofia/Tel Aviv
1:59 AM Moscow
7:59 AM Tokyo
9:59 AM Sydney/Melbourne


See the following page for the current time around the world:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?sort=2


Here are the questions for 8 March 2764 - Day 8 of the ludi:


Question #22. With what celestial event did the Ides of the month originally
coincide?

Question #23. In what year did the citizens of Arpinum receive full citizenship?

Question #24. On what date was the current law enacted to determine accurately
the number of citizens who make up Nova Roma?


For rules and more information, please see our Ludi page on the NR Wiki at:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXIV

Optime valete!

M. Pompeius Caninus
Bethel, Alaska, USA
America Boreoccidentalis

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Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.


Here are the eighth set of questions for the mythology quiz.


Originally today was to be in honor of Bacchus, but due to Dies Ater it just
did not work out that way... These are bonus questions and will be worth 4
pts. each...

Please remember to send the answers PRIVATELY (emphasizing not yelling
btw) with the subject header "Mythology Trivium" to MusesDream@... or
phonectically MusesDream ATsign gmail DOT com.


Again send them private e-mail.
Otherwise enjoy et Bona Fortuna!


Bacchus (Dies 8)----Bonus Questions
1. True or False. Bacchus is the Patron Deity of Agriculture and Theatre?
2. The nymphs known to follow Bacchus are called?
3. Which gods are known to be associated with Bacchus?



Vale Optime,
Aeternia


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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem VIII Idus Martias; hic dies fastus aterque est.

"As soon as night falls you will see the Cretan Crown:
Through Theseus' crime Ariadne was made a goddess.
She'd already happily exchanged that faithless spouse for Bacchus,
She who'd given the ungrateful man the thread to follow.
Delighting in her wedded fate, she said: `Why did I weep
Like a country-girl, his faithlessness has been my gain?'
Meanwhile Bacchus had conquered the straight-haired Indians,
And returned with his riches from the Eastern world.
Among the captive girls, of outstanding beauty,
One, the daughter of a king, pleased Bacchus intensely.
His loving wife wept, and treading the curving shore
With dishevelled hair, she spoke these words:
`Behold, again, you waves, how you hear my complaint!
Behold again you sands, how you receive my tears!
I remember I used to say: "Perjured, faithless Theseus!"
He abandoned me: now Bacchus commits the same crime.
Now once more I'll cry: "Woman, never trust in man!"
My fate's repeated, only his name has changed.
O that my life had ended where it first began.
So that I'd not have existed for this moment!
Why did you save me, Liber, to die on these lonely sands?
I might have ceased grieving at that moment.
Bacchus, fickle, lighter than the leaves that wreathe
Your brow, Bacchus known to me in my weeping,
How have you dared to trouble our harmonious bed
By bringing another lover before my eyes?
Alas, where is sworn faith? Where the pledges you once gave?
Wretched me, how many times must I speak those words?
You blamed Theseus and called him a deceiver:
According to that judgement your own sin is worse.
Let no one know of this, let me burn with silent pain,
Lest they think I deserved to be cheated so!
Above all I wish it to be hid from Theseus,
So he may not joy in you as a partner in crime.
I suppose your fair lover is preferred to a dark,
May fair be the colouring of my enemies!
Yet what does that signify? She is dearer to you for that.
What are you doing? She contaminates your embrace.
Bacchus, be true, and do not prefer her to a wife's love.
I am one who would love my husband for ever.
The horns of a gleaming bull captivated my mother.
Yours, me: but this is a love to be praised, hers shameful.
Let me not suffer, for loving: you yourself, Bacchus,
Never suffered for confessing your desire to me.
No wonder you make me burn: they say you were born
In fire, and were snatched from the flames by your father.
I am she to whom you used to promise the heavens.
Ah me, what a reward I suffer instead of heaven!'
She spoke: Liber had been listening a long while
To her complaint, since he chanced to follow closely.
He embraced her, and dried her tears with kisses,
And said: `Together, let us seek the depths of the sky!
You'll share my name just as you've shared my bed,
Since, transmuted, you will be called Libera:
And there'll be a memory of your crown beside you,
The crown Vulcan gave to Venus, and she to you.'
He did as he said, and changed the nine jewels to fire:
Now the golden crown glitters with nine stars." - Ovid, Fasti III

Originally Ariadne was a vegetation goddess in Crete related to the
other Cretan goddesses especially to Britomartis. Sometimes Ariadne
was associated with the surname "Very Holy Maid," because her name is
a variant of Ariagne from the Greek word "agni", which means "the most
holy." Under this title Aphrodite was honoured on Delos.

According to the Greek myths Ariadne was the daughter of the Cretan
king Minos and his wife Pasiphae. The story about her life and death
was narrated by many ways in the different regions, but in all of her
legends she left Crete and she suffered terrible sorrow.

In the Odyssey is told that Ariadne was abducted and taken to the
island of Dia where she died, because Artemis put her to death.
According to the myth which was the most known, she fell in love with
the Athenian hero Theseus, who was coming to Crete to kill the
Minotaur and to rescue the Athenian youth. In the older version of the
myth she was already the loved one of Dionysus, when Theseus came to
Crete. Thus Ariadne helped Theseus by promising her to take her to
Athens as his wife. She gave him two special gifts --- a sword and a
ball of thread --- to find the way back out from the Cnossian
Labyrinth after killing the Minotaur.

As promised, she left Crete with Theseus and with the Athenian youth
and they stopped on the island of Naxos. While Ariadne was asleep, in
her dream (or in Theseus' dream) the god Dionysus appeared on her and
gave her a divine command to stay in Naxos, because he wanted to marry
her. Why did Theseus deserted his sleeping Ariadne in Naxos: maybe he
had already a new lover or he was afraid to bring Ariadne with him to
Athens? So Theseus with the rescued Athenian youth, but without
Ariadne, sailed to Attica over Delos (a small island near Mykonos),
where they performed some rites (a special dance) and dedicated the
old statue of the goddess from Crete to the local sanctuary.

Ariadne in the meantime felt extremely unhappy, when Dionysus came to
save her in Naxos. So, trying to make her feel better he put on her
head the golden crown of Thetis, a work of Hephaestus. Nevertheless we
have to mention that in the other version of her story, she received
this crown from Theseus (and not from Dionysus) as a gift of
Amphitrite. After this gift Dionysus immediately married her. Short
while after Ariadne gave birth to many famous children: first of all
to Staphylos, then Thoas and Oinopion. The last two became the kings
of the islands Lemnos and Chios and in some other versions of the myth
they are represented as the sons of Theseus.

Ariadne's cult on Naxos was performed also with the orgiastic rites
(like the festivals of joy) together with lamentations and expressions
of sorrow (like during funeral ceremonies). In Amathus the sacrifices
were brought in honour of Ariadne and at this place a special cult was
practised in which a young man simulated the pains of a woman giving
childbirth with some screaming. Ariadne was also remembered in the
Athenian festival The Oschophoria (celebration in honour of Theseus)
and in the other Athenian festival The Anthesteria (performed in
honour of Dionysus) as the wife of both of these two protagonists.
Upon her death, the crown of Thetis was placed in the heavens as the
Aurora Borealis.

The Romans knew her as Libera.

Valete bene!

Cato

Ave!

So what does that say when you were going to put a curse on me....just even
talking about it...and I end up getting a raise?

Please...Please continue your discussion of putting a curse on me..I can use
another raise too!

Vale,

Sulla

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:05 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:

>
>
> Salve Sabine,
> thanks for the link. The post was never referred to before, so of course I
> based my opinion on what was posted here.
> After reading this post, which is very circumstantiated, I have to say I
> totally agree with it.
>
> I fully expect to be expelled for daring to express my opinion.
>
> I have to note that there is no "cruel vitriol" involved in the post. In
> fact, only positive words are spent about Maria Caeca.
>
> However there are statements of facts that may be unpleasant, but are hard
> to overlook. The fact is that lately anyone doing a religious ritual on
> behalf of Nova Roma is in danger of receiving strong warnings. Agricola got
> an earthquake just for thinking of taking auspices for NR.
> I do hope that none of my friends, including you, Sabine, will be on the
> receiving end of similar warnings in the future.
>
> By the way, I'm very sorry for what happened to Maria Caeca, but I'm even
> more sorry for the continuous violation of her privacy that is being
> perpetrated in this mailing list.
>
> I'm pretty sure that, were I to have an accident and go to hospital, I
> would
> not want any mailing list at large to know about all the details of the
> workings and failures of my anatomy.
>
> I do not want to know details of what surgery poor Caeca underwent or will
> undergo. More generic information would be perfectly sufficient.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:01 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship and the SCU
>
> SALVE!
>
> Anyone can read it here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Collegium_Augurum/message/112
>
> VALE,
> Sabinus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> >
> > If it is not breaking too many rules, could the link to the CA list be
> > posted with that specific message? Maybe everyone should see the
> > cruel vitriol Piscinus posted.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Monday, March 7, 2011, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> > > Ave!
> > >
> > > Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.
> > >
> > > I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@
> ...>wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Salvete omnes,
> > >> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the following
> > >> lie
> > >> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
> > >>
> > >> Quote from Cato:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have me
> > >> thrown
> > >>
> > >> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of obtaining
> > >> power
> > >> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the
> > >> "monotheists"
> > >> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria Caeca
> > >> on
> > >> the
> > >> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
> > >>
> > >> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about Maria
> > >> Caeca.
> > >> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements about
> > >> Maria
> > >> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I wouldn't
> find
> > >> worth quoting).
> > >> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an
> answer
> > >> that
> > >> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he
> thought
> > >> that
> > >> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on the
> > >> gods'
> > >> resentment against Nova Roma.
> > >>
> > >> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER stated
> that
> > >> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being angry at
> > >> Nova
> > >>
> > >> Roma.
> > >> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the
> > >> contrary,
> > >>
> > >> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in the
> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/ group
> in
> > >> which
> > >> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca
> > >> survived a
> > >>
> > >> potentially deadly accident.
> > >>
> > >> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar, the
> > >> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring political
> > >> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it into
> > >> a
> > >> "fact".
> > >> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did actually
> > >> blame
> > >>
> > >> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
> > >>
> > >> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical of
> > >> Nova
> > >> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread the
> > >> rumour
> > >> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found, signed by
> > >> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to take
> > >> over
> > >> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their existence
> and
> > >> authenticity.
> > >> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type of
> > >> irony
> > >> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the "Protocols of
> > >> the
> > >> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up with
> > >> posts
> > >> that take their existence for granted).
> > >>
> > >> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus blames
> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to other
> > >> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
> > >> See another quote from Cato:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica Romana"
> are
> > >> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about Nova
> > >> Roma
> > >> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not be
> > >> there.
> > >> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila tacitly
> > >> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma, but
> > >> They
> > >> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
> > >>
> > >> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never
> blamed
> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that even
> if
> > >> he
> > >> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with him
> > >> does
> > >> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion.
> > >>
> > >> I wish it had not become such a widespread hobby to put into people's
> > >> mouth
> > >>
> > >> words they never said.
> > >>
> > >> Optime valete,
> > >> Livia
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>


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Salve Aeternia,
I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm not a Christian,
therefore not interested in martyrdom as such.
I'm just testing the levels of tolerance of the current goverment of NR.
The question why I'm still a citizen has already been asked, and I have
already answered: because I enjoy watching the developement of a
dictatorship in a context where it can do me no harm in real life.

Optime vale,
Livia

> Aeternia L. Liviae Plautae sal:
>
>
> We are only going to have this conversation only once.
>
>
> If you want to attempt to be a martyr for Piscinus then by all means do so
> good luck with it, I hope that you and the rest of the citizens of the RPR
> find the joy they were unable to attain in Nova Roma. So besides watching
> the supposed train wreck, one must ask Livia. Why are you still a citizen
> here?
>
>
> But do not include Caeca in that martyrdom please do not, and trust me
> when
> I say this... A lot of the details of the accident involving the Vestal
> has
> been kept out, but you know what she is very loved here and people are
> concerned about her welfare, especially myself, and when one of our most
> beloved is hurt yes people want to know. I'm sure if the situation were
> reversed, I'm sure you'd feel a little jaded if no one inquired or showed
> any concern about your well being.
>
> Livia be a martyr if you must but please do it without the shade green
> known
> as jealousy.
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:05 PM, L. Livia Plauta
> <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Salve Sabine,
>> thanks for the link. The post was never referred to before, so of course
>> I
>> based my opinion on what was posted here.
>> After reading this post, which is very circumstantiated, I have to say I
>> totally agree with it.
>>
>> I fully expect to be expelled for daring to express my opinion.
>>
>> I have to note that there is no "cruel vitriol" involved in the post. In
>> fact, only positive words are spent about Maria Caeca.
>>
>> However there are statements of facts that may be unpleasant, but are
>> hard
>> to overlook. The fact is that lately anyone doing a religious ritual on
>> behalf of Nova Roma is in danger of receiving strong warnings. Agricola
>> got
>> an earthquake just for thinking of taking auspices for NR.
>> I do hope that none of my friends, including you, Sabine, will be on the
>> receiving end of similar warnings in the future.
>>
>> By the way, I'm very sorry for what happened to Maria Caeca, but I'm even
>> more sorry for the continuous violation of her privacy that is being
>> perpetrated in this mailing list.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that, were I to have an accident and go to hospital, I
>> would
>> not want any mailing list at large to know about all the details of the
>> workings and failures of my anatomy.
>>
>> I do not want to know details of what surgery poor Caeca underwent or
>> will
>> undergo. More generic information would be perfectly sufficient.
>>
>> Optime vale,
>> Livia
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...>
>> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:01 PM
>> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship and the SCU
>>
>> SALVE!
>>
>> Anyone can read it here:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Collegium_Augurum/message/112
>>
>> VALE,
>> Sabinus
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Salve,
>> >
>> >
>> > If it is not breaking too many rules, could the link to the CA list be
>> > posted with that specific message? Maybe everyone should see the
>> > cruel vitriol Piscinus posted.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> > Aeternia
>> >
>> > On Monday, March 7, 2011, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>> > > Ave!
>> > >
>> > > Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.
>> > >
>> > > I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.
>> > >
>> > > Vale,
>> > >
>> > > Sulla
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@
>> ...>wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Salvete omnes,
>> > >> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the
>> > >> following
>> > >> lie
>> > >> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
>> > >>
>> > >> Quote from Cato:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have me
>> > >> thrown
>> > >>
>> > >> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of obtaining
>> > >> power
>> > >> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the
>> > >> "monotheists"
>> > >> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria
>> > >> Caeca
>> > >> on
>> > >> the
>> > >> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
>> > >>
>> > >> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about
>> > >> Maria
>> > >> Caeca.
>> > >> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements about
>> > >> Maria
>> > >> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I wouldn't
>> find
>> > >> worth quoting).
>> > >> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an
>> answer
>> > >> that
>> > >> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he
>> thought
>> > >> that
>> > >> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on the
>> > >> gods'
>> > >> resentment against Nova Roma.
>> > >>
>> > >> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER stated
>> that
>> > >> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being angry
>> > >> at
>> > >> Nova
>> > >>
>> > >> Roma.
>> > >> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the
>> > >> contrary,
>> > >>
>> > >> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in the
>> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/ group
>> in
>> > >> which
>> > >> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca
>> > >> survived a
>> > >>
>> > >> potentially deadly accident.
>> > >>
>> > >> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar, the
>> > >> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring
>> > >> political
>> > >> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it
>> > >> into
>> > >> a
>> > >> "fact".
>> > >> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did
>> > >> actually
>> > >> blame
>> > >>
>> > >> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
>> > >>
>> > >> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical of
>> > >> Nova
>> > >> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread the
>> > >> rumour
>> > >> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found, signed
>> > >> by
>> > >> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to take
>> > >> over
>> > >> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their existence
>> and
>> > >> authenticity.
>> > >> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type of
>> > >> irony
>> > >> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the "Protocols
>> > >> of
>> > >> the
>> > >> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up with
>> > >> posts
>> > >> that take their existence for granted).
>> > >>
>> > >> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus
>> > >> blames
>> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to
>> > >> other
>> > >> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
>> > >> See another quote from Cato:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica Romana"
>> are
>> > >> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about Nova
>> > >> Roma
>> > >> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not be
>> > >> there.
>> > >> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila tacitly
>> > >> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma,
>> > >> but
>> > >> They
>> > >> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
>> > >>
>> > >> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never
>> blamed
>> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that even
>> if
>> > >> he
>> > >> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with
>> > >> him
>> > >> does
>> > >> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion.
>> > >>
>> > >> I wish it had not become such a widespread hobby to put into
>> > >> people's
>> > >> mouth
>> > >>
>> > >> words they never said.
>> > >>
>> > >> Optime valete,
>> > >> Livia
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------------
>> > >
>> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Ave!

Uh Livia, you missed the lesson from last year's failed coup! As you know
the concept of a Dictatorship is illegal per Maine Law. If you want a
dictatorship - you need to go to the RPR.

Vale,

Sulla

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:18 AM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:

> Salve Aeternia,
> I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm not a Christian,
> therefore not interested in martyrdom as such.
> I'm just testing the levels of tolerance of the current goverment of NR.
> The question why I'm still a citizen has already been asked, and I have
> already answered: because I enjoy watching the developement of a
> dictatorship in a context where it can do me no harm in real life.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
> > Aeternia L. Liviae Plautae sal:
> >
> >
> > We are only going to have this conversation only once.
> >
> >
> > If you want to attempt to be a martyr for Piscinus then by all means do
> so
> > good luck with it, I hope that you and the rest of the citizens of the
> RPR
> > find the joy they were unable to attain in Nova Roma. So besides
> watching
> > the supposed train wreck, one must ask Livia. Why are you still a
> citizen
> > here?
> >
> >
> > But do not include Caeca in that martyrdom please do not, and trust me
> > when
> > I say this... A lot of the details of the accident involving the Vestal
> > has
> > been kept out, but you know what she is very loved here and people are
> > concerned about her welfare, especially myself, and when one of our most
> > beloved is hurt yes people want to know. I'm sure if the situation were
> > reversed, I'm sure you'd feel a little jaded if no one inquired or showed
> > any concern about your well being.
> >
> > Livia be a martyr if you must but please do it without the shade green
> > known
> > as jealousy.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:05 PM, L. Livia Plauta
> > <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Salve Sabine,
> >> thanks for the link. The post was never referred to before, so of course
> >> I
> >> based my opinion on what was posted here.
> >> After reading this post, which is very circumstantiated, I have to say I
> >> totally agree with it.
> >>
> >> I fully expect to be expelled for daring to express my opinion.
> >>
> >> I have to note that there is no "cruel vitriol" involved in the post. In
> >> fact, only positive words are spent about Maria Caeca.
> >>
> >> However there are statements of facts that may be unpleasant, but are
> >> hard
> >> to overlook. The fact is that lately anyone doing a religious ritual on
> >> behalf of Nova Roma is in danger of receiving strong warnings. Agricola
> >> got
> >> an earthquake just for thinking of taking auspices for NR.
> >> I do hope that none of my friends, including you, Sabine, will be on the
> >> receiving end of similar warnings in the future.
> >>
> >> By the way, I'm very sorry for what happened to Maria Caeca, but I'm
> even
> >> more sorry for the continuous violation of her privacy that is being
> >> perpetrated in this mailing list.
> >>
> >> I'm pretty sure that, were I to have an accident and go to hospital, I
> >> would
> >> not want any mailing list at large to know about all the details of the
> >> workings and failures of my anatomy.
> >>
> >> I do not want to know details of what surgery poor Caeca underwent or
> >> will
> >> undergo. More generic information would be perfectly sufficient.
> >>
> >> Optime vale,
> >> Livia
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...>
> >> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:01 PM
> >> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship and the SCU
> >>
> >> SALVE!
> >>
> >> Anyone can read it here:
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Collegium_Augurum/message/112
> >>
> >> VALE,
> >> Sabinus
> >>
> >> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@
> ...>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Salve,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > If it is not breaking too many rules, could the link to the CA list be
> >> > posted with that specific message? Maybe everyone should see the
> >> > cruel vitriol Piscinus posted.
> >> >
> >> > Vale,
> >> > Aeternia
> >> >
> >> > On Monday, March 7, 2011, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
> wrote:
> >> > > Ave!
> >> > >
> >> > > Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.
> >> > >
> >> > > I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.
> >> > >
> >> > > Vale,
> >> > >
> >> > > Sulla
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@
> >> ...>wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Salvete omnes,
> >> > >> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the
> >> > >> following
> >> > >> lie
> >> > >> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Quote from Cato:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have
> me
> >> > >> thrown
> >> > >>
> >> > >> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of obtaining
> >> > >> power
> >> > >> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the
> >> > >> "monotheists"
> >> > >> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria
> >> > >> Caeca
> >> > >> on
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about
> >> > >> Maria
> >> > >> Caeca.
> >> > >> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements about
> >> > >> Maria
> >> > >> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I wouldn't
> >> find
> >> > >> worth quoting).
> >> > >> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an
> >> answer
> >> > >> that
> >> > >> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he
> >> thought
> >> > >> that
> >> > >> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on the
> >> > >> gods'
> >> > >> resentment against Nova Roma.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER stated
> >> that
> >> > >> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being angry
> >> > >> at
> >> > >> Nova
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Roma.
> >> > >> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the
> >> > >> contrary,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in
> the
> >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/group
> >> in
> >> > >> which
> >> > >> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca
> >> > >> survived a
> >> > >>
> >> > >> potentially deadly accident.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar, the
> >> > >> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring
> >> > >> political
> >> > >> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it
> >> > >> into
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> "fact".
> >> > >> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did
> >> > >> actually
> >> > >> blame
> >> > >>
> >> > >> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical of
> >> > >> Nova
> >> > >> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread the
> >> > >> rumour
> >> > >> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found, signed
> >> > >> by
> >> > >> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to
> take
> >> > >> over
> >> > >> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their existence
> >> and
> >> > >> authenticity.
> >> > >> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type of
> >> > >> irony
> >> > >> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the "Protocols
> >> > >> of
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up with
> >> > >> posts
> >> > >> that take their existence for granted).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus
> >> > >> blames
> >> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to
> >> > >> other
> >> > >> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
> >> > >> See another quote from Cato:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica Romana"
> >> are
> >> > >> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about
> Nova
> >> > >> Roma
> >> > >> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not be
> >> > >> there.
> >> > >> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila
> tacitly
> >> > >> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma,
> >> > >> but
> >> > >> They
> >> > >> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never
> >> blamed
> >> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that
> even
> >> if
> >> > >> he
> >> > >> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with
> >> > >> him
> >> > >> does
> >> > >> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I wish it had not become such a widespread hobby to put into
> >> > >> people's
> >> > >> mouth
> >> > >>
> >> > >> words they never said.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Optime valete,
> >> > >> Livia
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ------------------------------------
> >> > >
> >> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Livia,

Yes you are an Atheist (as you have told me yourself) , so lets replace
"Martyr" with "Poster Child" sound better? You know I'm not sure how
beneficial it is for you to sit by the sidelines occasionally throwing
half-sharp comments hoping that they cause a detrimental cataclysm, the fact
that you have not been moderated nor asked to stop, shows volumes of
tolerance right there. There is no dictatorship here Livia, our Consuls
are not stepping down to let one man to usurp and rule them all. So enjoy
your popcorn and seat by the sidelines, while we do what can to fix NR to a
better state.


Vale bene,
Aeternia

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:18 AM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:

> Salve Aeternia,
> I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm not a Christian,
> therefore not interested in martyrdom as such.
> I'm just testing the levels of tolerance of the current goverment of NR.
> The question why I'm still a citizen has already been asked, and I have
> already answered: because I enjoy watching the developement of a
> dictatorship in a context where it can do me no harm in real life.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
> > Aeternia L. Liviae Plautae sal:
> >
> >
> > We are only going to have this conversation only once.
> >
> >
> > If you want to attempt to be a martyr for Piscinus then by all means do
> so
> > good luck with it, I hope that you and the rest of the citizens of the
> RPR
> > find the joy they were unable to attain in Nova Roma. So besides
> watching
> > the supposed train wreck, one must ask Livia. Why are you still a
> citizen
> > here?
> >
> >
> > But do not include Caeca in that martyrdom please do not, and trust me
> > when
> > I say this... A lot of the details of the accident involving the Vestal
> > has
> > been kept out, but you know what she is very loved here and people are
> > concerned about her welfare, especially myself, and when one of our most
> > beloved is hurt yes people want to know. I'm sure if the situation were
> > reversed, I'm sure you'd feel a little jaded if no one inquired or showed
> > any concern about your well being.
> >
> > Livia be a martyr if you must but please do it without the shade green
> > known
> > as jealousy.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Aeternia
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:05 PM, L. Livia Plauta
> > <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Salve Sabine,
> >> thanks for the link. The post was never referred to before, so of course
> >> I
> >> based my opinion on what was posted here.
> >> After reading this post, which is very circumstantiated, I have to say I
> >> totally agree with it.
> >>
> >> I fully expect to be expelled for daring to express my opinion.
> >>
> >> I have to note that there is no "cruel vitriol" involved in the post. In
> >> fact, only positive words are spent about Maria Caeca.
> >>
> >> However there are statements of facts that may be unpleasant, but are
> >> hard
> >> to overlook. The fact is that lately anyone doing a religious ritual on
> >> behalf of Nova Roma is in danger of receiving strong warnings. Agricola
> >> got
> >> an earthquake just for thinking of taking auspices for NR.
> >> I do hope that none of my friends, including you, Sabine, will be on the
> >> receiving end of similar warnings in the future.
> >>
> >> By the way, I'm very sorry for what happened to Maria Caeca, but I'm
> even
> >> more sorry for the continuous violation of her privacy that is being
> >> perpetrated in this mailing list.
> >>
> >> I'm pretty sure that, were I to have an accident and go to hospital, I
> >> would
> >> not want any mailing list at large to know about all the details of the
> >> workings and failures of my anatomy.
> >>
> >> I do not want to know details of what surgery poor Caeca underwent or
> >> will
> >> undergo. More generic information would be perfectly sufficient.
> >>
> >> Optime vale,
> >> Livia
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...>
> >> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:01 PM
> >> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship and the SCU
> >>
> >> SALVE!
> >>
> >> Anyone can read it here:
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Collegium_Augurum/message/112
> >>
> >> VALE,
> >> Sabinus
> >>
> >> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@
> ...>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Salve,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > If it is not breaking too many rules, could the link to the CA list be
> >> > posted with that specific message? Maybe everyone should see the
> >> > cruel vitriol Piscinus posted.
> >> >
> >> > Vale,
> >> > Aeternia
> >> >
> >> > On Monday, March 7, 2011, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
> wrote:
> >> > > Ave!
> >> > >
> >> > > Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.
> >> > >
> >> > > I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.
> >> > >
> >> > > Vale,
> >> > >
> >> > > Sulla
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@
> >> ...>wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Salvete omnes,
> >> > >> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the
> >> > >> following
> >> > >> lie
> >> > >> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Quote from Cato:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have
> me
> >> > >> thrown
> >> > >>
> >> > >> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of obtaining
> >> > >> power
> >> > >> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the
> >> > >> "monotheists"
> >> > >> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria
> >> > >> Caeca
> >> > >> on
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about
> >> > >> Maria
> >> > >> Caeca.
> >> > >> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements about
> >> > >> Maria
> >> > >> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I wouldn't
> >> find
> >> > >> worth quoting).
> >> > >> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an
> >> answer
> >> > >> that
> >> > >> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he
> >> thought
> >> > >> that
> >> > >> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on the
> >> > >> gods'
> >> > >> resentment against Nova Roma.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER stated
> >> that
> >> > >> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being angry
> >> > >> at
> >> > >> Nova
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Roma.
> >> > >> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the
> >> > >> contrary,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in
> the
> >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/group
> >> in
> >> > >> which
> >> > >> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca
> >> > >> survived a
> >> > >>
> >> > >> potentially deadly accident.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar, the
> >> > >> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring
> >> > >> political
> >> > >> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it
> >> > >> into
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> "fact".
> >> > >> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did
> >> > >> actually
> >> > >> blame
> >> > >>
> >> > >> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical of
> >> > >> Nova
> >> > >> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread the
> >> > >> rumour
> >> > >> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found, signed
> >> > >> by
> >> > >> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to
> take
> >> > >> over
> >> > >> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their existence
> >> and
> >> > >> authenticity.
> >> > >> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type of
> >> > >> irony
> >> > >> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the "Protocols
> >> > >> of
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up with
> >> > >> posts
> >> > >> that take their existence for granted).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus
> >> > >> blames
> >> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to
> >> > >> other
> >> > >> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
> >> > >> See another quote from Cato:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica Romana"
> >> are
> >> > >> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about
> Nova
> >> > >> Roma
> >> > >> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not be
> >> > >> there.
> >> > >> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila
> tacitly
> >> > >> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma,
> >> > >> but
> >> > >> They
> >> > >> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never
> >> blamed
> >> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that
> even
> >> if
> >> > >> he
> >> > >> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with
> >> > >> him
> >> > >> does
> >> > >> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I wish it had not become such a widespread hobby to put into
> >> > >> people's
> >> > >> mouth
> >> > >>
> >> > >> words they never said.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Optime valete,
> >> > >> Livia
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ------------------------------------
> >> > >
> >> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> > >
> >> > >
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Aeternia Catoni S.P.D.


I believe this one was quite fitting today, thank you Consul.


Vale,
Aeternia

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Cato <catoinnyc@...> wrote:

>
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Hodiernus dies est ante diem VIII Idus Martias; hic dies fastus aterque
> est.
>
> "As soon as night falls you will see the Cretan Crown:
> Through Theseus' crime Ariadne was made a goddess.
> She'd already happily exchanged that faithless spouse for Bacchus,
> She who'd given the ungrateful man the thread to follow.
> Delighting in her wedded fate, she said: `Why did I weep
> Like a country-girl, his faithlessness has been my gain?'
> Meanwhile Bacchus had conquered the straight-haired Indians,
> And returned with his riches from the Eastern world.
> Among the captive girls, of outstanding beauty,
> One, the daughter of a king, pleased Bacchus intensely.
> His loving wife wept, and treading the curving shore
> With dishevelled hair, she spoke these words:
> `Behold, again, you waves, how you hear my complaint!
> Behold again you sands, how you receive my tears!
> I remember I used to say: "Perjured, faithless Theseus!"
> He abandoned me: now Bacchus commits the same crime.
> Now once more I'll cry: "Woman, never trust in man!"
> My fate's repeated, only his name has changed.
> O that my life had ended where it first began.
> So that I'd not have existed for this moment!
> Why did you save me, Liber, to die on these lonely sands?
> I might have ceased grieving at that moment.
> Bacchus, fickle, lighter than the leaves that wreathe
> Your brow, Bacchus known to me in my weeping,
> How have you dared to trouble our harmonious bed
> By bringing another lover before my eyes?
> Alas, where is sworn faith? Where the pledges you once gave?
> Wretched me, how many times must I speak those words?
> You blamed Theseus and called him a deceiver:
> According to that judgement your own sin is worse.
> Let no one know of this, let me burn with silent pain,
> Lest they think I deserved to be cheated so!
> Above all I wish it to be hid from Theseus,
> So he may not joy in you as a partner in crime.
> I suppose your fair lover is preferred to a dark,
> May fair be the colouring of my enemies!
> Yet what does that signify? She is dearer to you for that.
> What are you doing? She contaminates your embrace.
> Bacchus, be true, and do not prefer her to a wife's love.
> I am one who would love my husband for ever.
> The horns of a gleaming bull captivated my mother.
> Yours, me: but this is a love to be praised, hers shameful.
> Let me not suffer, for loving: you yourself, Bacchus,
> Never suffered for confessing your desire to me.
> No wonder you make me burn: they say you were born
> In fire, and were snatched from the flames by your father.
> I am she to whom you used to promise the heavens.
> Ah me, what a reward I suffer instead of heaven!'
> She spoke: Liber had been listening a long while
> To her complaint, since he chanced to follow closely.
> He embraced her, and dried her tears with kisses,
> And said: `Together, let us seek the depths of the sky!
> You'll share my name just as you've shared my bed,
> Since, transmuted, you will be called Libera:
> And there'll be a memory of your crown beside you,
> The crown Vulcan gave to Venus, and she to you.'
> He did as he said, and changed the nine jewels to fire:
> Now the golden crown glitters with nine stars." - Ovid, Fasti III
>
> Originally Ariadne was a vegetation goddess in Crete related to the
> other Cretan goddesses especially to Britomartis. Sometimes Ariadne
> was associated with the surname "Very Holy Maid," because her name is
> a variant of Ariagne from the Greek word "agni", which means "the most
> holy." Under this title Aphrodite was honoured on Delos.
>
> According to the Greek myths Ariadne was the daughter of the Cretan
> king Minos and his wife Pasiphae. The story about her life and death
> was narrated by many ways in the different regions, but in all of her
> legends she left Crete and she suffered terrible sorrow.
>
> In the Odyssey is told that Ariadne was abducted and taken to the
> island of Dia where she died, because Artemis put her to death.
> According to the myth which was the most known, she fell in love with
> the Athenian hero Theseus, who was coming to Crete to kill the
> Minotaur and to rescue the Athenian youth. In the older version of the
> myth she was already the loved one of Dionysus, when Theseus came to
> Crete. Thus Ariadne helped Theseus by promising her to take her to
> Athens as his wife. She gave him two special gifts --- a sword and a
> ball of thread --- to find the way back out from the Cnossian
> Labyrinth after killing the Minotaur.
>
> As promised, she left Crete with Theseus and with the Athenian youth
> and they stopped on the island of Naxos. While Ariadne was asleep, in
> her dream (or in Theseus' dream) the god Dionysus appeared on her and
> gave her a divine command to stay in Naxos, because he wanted to marry
> her. Why did Theseus deserted his sleeping Ariadne in Naxos: maybe he
> had already a new lover or he was afraid to bring Ariadne with him to
> Athens? So Theseus with the rescued Athenian youth, but without
> Ariadne, sailed to Attica over Delos (a small island near Mykonos),
> where they performed some rites (a special dance) and dedicated the
> old statue of the goddess from Crete to the local sanctuary.
>
> Ariadne in the meantime felt extremely unhappy, when Dionysus came to
> save her in Naxos. So, trying to make her feel better he put on her
> head the golden crown of Thetis, a work of Hephaestus. Nevertheless we
> have to mention that in the other version of her story, she received
> this crown from Theseus (and not from Dionysus) as a gift of
> Amphitrite. After this gift Dionysus immediately married her. Short
> while after Ariadne gave birth to many famous children: first of all
> to Staphylos, then Thoas and Oinopion. The last two became the kings
> of the islands Lemnos and Chios and in some other versions of the myth
> they are represented as the sons of Theseus.
>
> Ariadne's cult on Naxos was performed also with the orgiastic rites
> (like the festivals of joy) together with lamentations and expressions
> of sorrow (like during funeral ceremonies). In Amathus the sacrifices
> were brought in honour of Ariadne and at this place a special cult was
> practised in which a young man simulated the pains of a woman giving
> childbirth with some screaming. Ariadne was also remembered in the
> Athenian festival The Oschophoria (celebration in honour of Theseus)
> and in the other Athenian festival The Anthesteria (performed in
> honour of Dionysus) as the wife of both of these two protagonists.
> Upon her death, the crown of Thetis was placed in the heavens as the
> Aurora Borealis.
>
> The Romans knew her as Libera.
>
> Valete bene!
>
> Cato
>
>
>


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Salve Sulla,
OK. I'm thinking of making a defixio against you in the context of a Roman
re-enacting event in May.
Please let me know if you get a raise between now and May.
Vale,
Livia

> Ave!
>
> So what does that say when you were going to put a curse on me....just
> even
> talking about it...and I end up getting a raise?
>
> Please...Please continue your discussion of putting a curse on me..I can
> use
> another raise too!
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:05 PM, L. Livia Plauta
> <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Salve Sabine,
>> thanks for the link. The post was never referred to before, so of course
>> I
>> based my opinion on what was posted here.
>> After reading this post, which is very circumstantiated, I have to say I
>> totally agree with it.
>>
>> I fully expect to be expelled for daring to express my opinion.
>>
>> I have to note that there is no "cruel vitriol" involved in the post. In
>> fact, only positive words are spent about Maria Caeca.
>>
>> However there are statements of facts that may be unpleasant, but are
>> hard
>> to overlook. The fact is that lately anyone doing a religious ritual on
>> behalf of Nova Roma is in danger of receiving strong warnings. Agricola
>> got
>> an earthquake just for thinking of taking auspices for NR.
>> I do hope that none of my friends, including you, Sabine, will be on the
>> receiving end of similar warnings in the future.
>>
>> By the way, I'm very sorry for what happened to Maria Caeca, but I'm even
>> more sorry for the continuous violation of her privacy that is being
>> perpetrated in this mailing list.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that, were I to have an accident and go to hospital, I
>> would
>> not want any mailing list at large to know about all the details of the
>> workings and failures of my anatomy.
>>
>> I do not want to know details of what surgery poor Caeca underwent or
>> will
>> undergo. More generic information would be perfectly sufficient.
>>
>> Optime vale,
>> Livia
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...>
>> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:01 PM
>> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship and the SCU
>>
>> SALVE!
>>
>> Anyone can read it here:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Collegium_Augurum/message/112
>>
>> VALE,
>> Sabinus
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Salve,
>> >
>> >
>> > If it is not breaking too many rules, could the link to the CA list be
>> > posted with that specific message? Maybe everyone should see the
>> > cruel vitriol Piscinus posted.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> > Aeternia
>> >
>> > On Monday, March 7, 2011, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>> > > Ave!
>> > >
>> > > Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.
>> > >
>> > > I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.
>> > >
>> > > Vale,
>> > >
>> > > Sulla
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@
>> ...>wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Salvete omnes,
>> > >> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the
>> > >> following
>> > >> lie
>> > >> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
>> > >>
>> > >> Quote from Cato:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have me
>> > >> thrown
>> > >>
>> > >> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of obtaining
>> > >> power
>> > >> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the
>> > >> "monotheists"
>> > >> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria
>> > >> Caeca
>> > >> on
>> > >> the
>> > >> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
>> > >>
>> > >> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about
>> > >> Maria
>> > >> Caeca.
>> > >> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements about
>> > >> Maria
>> > >> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I wouldn't
>> find
>> > >> worth quoting).
>> > >> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an
>> answer
>> > >> that
>> > >> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he
>> thought
>> > >> that
>> > >> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on the
>> > >> gods'
>> > >> resentment against Nova Roma.
>> > >>
>> > >> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER stated
>> that
>> > >> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being angry
>> > >> at
>> > >> Nova
>> > >>
>> > >> Roma.
>> > >> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the
>> > >> contrary,
>> > >>
>> > >> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in the
>> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/ group
>> in
>> > >> which
>> > >> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca
>> > >> survived a
>> > >>
>> > >> potentially deadly accident.
>> > >>
>> > >> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar, the
>> > >> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring
>> > >> political
>> > >> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it
>> > >> into
>> > >> a
>> > >> "fact".
>> > >> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did
>> > >> actually
>> > >> blame
>> > >>
>> > >> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
>> > >>
>> > >> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical of
>> > >> Nova
>> > >> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread the
>> > >> rumour
>> > >> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found, signed
>> > >> by
>> > >> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to take
>> > >> over
>> > >> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their existence
>> and
>> > >> authenticity.
>> > >> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type of
>> > >> irony
>> > >> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the "Protocols
>> > >> of
>> > >> the
>> > >> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up with
>> > >> posts
>> > >> that take their existence for granted).
>> > >>
>> > >> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus
>> > >> blames
>> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to
>> > >> other
>> > >> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
>> > >> See another quote from Cato:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica Romana"
>> are
>> > >> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about Nova
>> > >> Roma
>> > >> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not be
>> > >> there.
>> > >> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila tacitly
>> > >> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma,
>> > >> but
>> > >> They
>> > >> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
>> > >>
>> > >> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never
>> blamed
>> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that even
>> if
>> > >> he
>> > >> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with
>> > >> him
>> > >> does
>> > >> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion.
>> > >>
>> > >> I wish it had not become such a widespread hobby to put into
>> > >> people's
>> > >> mouth
>> > >>
>> > >> words they never said.
>> > >>
>> > >> Optime valete,
>> > >> Livia
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
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>> > >
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>
>

Salve Sulla,
Nova Roma is already a totalitarian state: what's called a dictatorship in
familiar language. I do wish that you never have to experience this in real
life, because there you might not get to be part of the elite in power.
Vale,
Livia

> Ave!
>
> Uh Livia, you missed the lesson from last year's failed coup! As you know
> the concept of a Dictatorship is illegal per Maine Law. If you want a
> dictatorship - you need to go to the RPR.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:18 AM, L. Livia Plauta
> <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
>
>> Salve Aeternia,
>> I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm not a Christian,
>> therefore not interested in martyrdom as such.
>> I'm just testing the levels of tolerance of the current goverment of NR.
>> The question why I'm still a citizen has already been asked, and I have
>> already answered: because I enjoy watching the developement of a
>> dictatorship in a context where it can do me no harm in real life.
>>
>> Optime vale,
>> Livia
>>
>> > Aeternia L. Liviae Plautae sal:
>> >
>> >
>> > We are only going to have this conversation only once.
>> >
>> >
>> > If you want to attempt to be a martyr for Piscinus then by all means do
>> so
>> > good luck with it, I hope that you and the rest of the citizens of the
>> RPR
>> > find the joy they were unable to attain in Nova Roma. So besides
>> watching
>> > the supposed train wreck, one must ask Livia. Why are you still a
>> citizen
>> > here?
>> >
>> >
>> > But do not include Caeca in that martyrdom please do not, and trust me
>> > when
>> > I say this... A lot of the details of the accident involving the Vestal
>> > has
>> > been kept out, but you know what she is very loved here and people are
>> > concerned about her welfare, especially myself, and when one of our
>> > most
>> > beloved is hurt yes people want to know. I'm sure if the situation
>> > were
>> > reversed, I'm sure you'd feel a little jaded if no one inquired or
>> > showed
>> > any concern about your well being.
>> >
>> > Livia be a martyr if you must but please do it without the shade green
>> > known
>> > as jealousy.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> > Aeternia
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:05 PM, L. Livia Plauta
>> > <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Salve Sabine,
>> >> thanks for the link. The post was never referred to before, so of
>> >> course
>> >> I
>> >> based my opinion on what was posted here.
>> >> After reading this post, which is very circumstantiated, I have to say
>> >> I
>> >> totally agree with it.
>> >>
>> >> I fully expect to be expelled for daring to express my opinion.
>> >>
>> >> I have to note that there is no "cruel vitriol" involved in the post.
>> >> In
>> >> fact, only positive words are spent about Maria Caeca.
>> >>
>> >> However there are statements of facts that may be unpleasant, but are
>> >> hard
>> >> to overlook. The fact is that lately anyone doing a religious ritual
>> >> on
>> >> behalf of Nova Roma is in danger of receiving strong warnings.
>> >> Agricola
>> >> got
>> >> an earthquake just for thinking of taking auspices for NR.
>> >> I do hope that none of my friends, including you, Sabine, will be on
>> >> the
>> >> receiving end of similar warnings in the future.
>> >>
>> >> By the way, I'm very sorry for what happened to Maria Caeca, but I'm
>> even
>> >> more sorry for the continuous violation of her privacy that is being
>> >> perpetrated in this mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> I'm pretty sure that, were I to have an accident and go to hospital, I
>> >> would
>> >> not want any mailing list at large to know about all the details of
>> >> the
>> >> workings and failures of my anatomy.
>> >>
>> >> I do not want to know details of what surgery poor Caeca underwent or
>> >> will
>> >> undergo. More generic information would be perfectly sufficient.
>> >>
>> >> Optime vale,
>> >> Livia
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...>
>> >> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:01 PM
>> >> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship and the SCU
>> >>
>> >> SALVE!
>> >>
>> >> Anyone can read it here:
>> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Collegium_Augurum/message/112
>> >>
>> >> VALE,
>> >> Sabinus
>> >>
>> >> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@
>> ...>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Salve,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > If it is not breaking too many rules, could the link to the CA list
>> >> > be
>> >> > posted with that specific message? Maybe everyone should see the
>> >> > cruel vitriol Piscinus posted.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vale,
>> >> > Aeternia
>> >> >
>> >> > On Monday, March 7, 2011, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
>> wrote:
>> >> > > Ave!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Vale,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Sulla
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@
>> >> ...>wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Salvete omnes,
>> >> > >> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the
>> >> > >> following
>> >> > >> lie
>> >> > >> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Quote from Cato:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have
>> me
>> >> > >> thrown
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of
>> >> > >> obtaining
>> >> > >> power
>> >> > >> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the
>> >> > >> "monotheists"
>> >> > >> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria
>> >> > >> Caeca
>> >> > >> on
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about
>> >> > >> Maria
>> >> > >> Caeca.
>> >> > >> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements
>> >> > >> about
>> >> > >> Maria
>> >> > >> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I
>> >> > >> wouldn't
>> >> find
>> >> > >> worth quoting).
>> >> > >> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an
>> >> answer
>> >> > >> that
>> >> > >> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he
>> >> thought
>> >> > >> that
>> >> > >> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> gods'
>> >> > >> resentment against Nova Roma.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER
>> >> > >> stated
>> >> that
>> >> > >> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being
>> >> > >> angry
>> >> > >> at
>> >> > >> Nova
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Roma.
>> >> > >> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the
>> >> > >> contrary,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in
>> the
>> >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/group
>> >> in
>> >> > >> which
>> >> > >> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca
>> >> > >> survived a
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> potentially deadly accident.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar,
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring
>> >> > >> political
>> >> > >> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it
>> >> > >> into
>> >> > >> a
>> >> > >> "fact".
>> >> > >> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did
>> >> > >> actually
>> >> > >> blame
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical
>> >> > >> of
>> >> > >> Nova
>> >> > >> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> rumour
>> >> > >> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found,
>> >> > >> signed
>> >> > >> by
>> >> > >> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to
>> take
>> >> > >> over
>> >> > >> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their
>> >> > >> existence
>> >> and
>> >> > >> authenticity.
>> >> > >> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type
>> >> > >> of
>> >> > >> irony
>> >> > >> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the
>> >> > >> "Protocols
>> >> > >> of
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up
>> >> > >> with
>> >> > >> posts
>> >> > >> that take their existence for granted).
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus
>> >> > >> blames
>> >> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to
>> >> > >> other
>> >> > >> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
>> >> > >> See another quote from Cato:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica
>> >> > >> Romana"
>> >> are
>> >> > >> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about
>> Nova
>> >> > >> Roma
>> >> > >> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not
>> >> > >> be
>> >> > >> there.
>> >> > >> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila
>> tacitly
>> >> > >> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma,
>> >> > >> but
>> >> > >> They
>> >> > >> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never
>> >> blamed
>> >> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that
>> even
>> >> if
>> >> > >> he
>> >> > >> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with
>> >> > >> him
>> >> > >> does
>> >> > >> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I wish it had not become such a widespread hobby to put into
>> >> > >> people's
>> >> > >> mouth
>> >> > >>
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Salve Aeternia,
no, sorry "Poster Child" is an expression that has no meaning to me.
I'm reaching for that bag of popcorn now.
Vale,
Livia

> Salve Livia,
>
> Yes you are an Atheist (as you have told me yourself) , so lets replace
> "Martyr" with "Poster Child" sound better? You know I'm not sure how
> beneficial it is for you to sit by the sidelines occasionally throwing
> half-sharp comments hoping that they cause a detrimental cataclysm, the
> fact
> that you have not been moderated nor asked to stop, shows volumes of
> tolerance right there. There is no dictatorship here Livia, our Consuls
> are not stepping down to let one man to usurp and rule them all. So enjoy
> your popcorn and seat by the sidelines, while we do what can to fix NR to
> a
> better state.
>
>
> Vale bene,
> Aeternia
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:18 AM, L. Livia Plauta
> <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
>
>> Salve Aeternia,
>> I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm not a Christian,
>> therefore not interested in martyrdom as such.
>> I'm just testing the levels of tolerance of the current goverment of NR.
>> The question why I'm still a citizen has already been asked, and I have
>> already answered: because I enjoy watching the developement of a
>> dictatorship in a context where it can do me no harm in real life.
>>
>> Optime vale,
>> Livia
>>
>> > Aeternia L. Liviae Plautae sal:
>> >
>> >
>> > We are only going to have this conversation only once.
>> >
>> >
>> > If you want to attempt to be a martyr for Piscinus then by all means do
>> so
>> > good luck with it, I hope that you and the rest of the citizens of the
>> RPR
>> > find the joy they were unable to attain in Nova Roma. So besides
>> watching
>> > the supposed train wreck, one must ask Livia. Why are you still a
>> citizen
>> > here?
>> >
>> >
>> > But do not include Caeca in that martyrdom please do not, and trust me
>> > when
>> > I say this... A lot of the details of the accident involving the Vestal
>> > has
>> > been kept out, but you know what she is very loved here and people are
>> > concerned about her welfare, especially myself, and when one of our
>> > most
>> > beloved is hurt yes people want to know. I'm sure if the situation
>> > were
>> > reversed, I'm sure you'd feel a little jaded if no one inquired or
>> > showed
>> > any concern about your well being.
>> >
>> > Livia be a martyr if you must but please do it without the shade green
>> > known
>> > as jealousy.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> > Aeternia
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:05 PM, L. Livia Plauta
>> > <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Salve Sabine,
>> >> thanks for the link. The post was never referred to before, so of
>> >> course
>> >> I
>> >> based my opinion on what was posted here.
>> >> After reading this post, which is very circumstantiated, I have to say
>> >> I
>> >> totally agree with it.
>> >>
>> >> I fully expect to be expelled for daring to express my opinion.
>> >>
>> >> I have to note that there is no "cruel vitriol" involved in the post.
>> >> In
>> >> fact, only positive words are spent about Maria Caeca.
>> >>
>> >> However there are statements of facts that may be unpleasant, but are
>> >> hard
>> >> to overlook. The fact is that lately anyone doing a religious ritual
>> >> on
>> >> behalf of Nova Roma is in danger of receiving strong warnings.
>> >> Agricola
>> >> got
>> >> an earthquake just for thinking of taking auspices for NR.
>> >> I do hope that none of my friends, including you, Sabine, will be on
>> >> the
>> >> receiving end of similar warnings in the future.
>> >>
>> >> By the way, I'm very sorry for what happened to Maria Caeca, but I'm
>> even
>> >> more sorry for the continuous violation of her privacy that is being
>> >> perpetrated in this mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> I'm pretty sure that, were I to have an accident and go to hospital, I
>> >> would
>> >> not want any mailing list at large to know about all the details of
>> >> the
>> >> workings and failures of my anatomy.
>> >>
>> >> I do not want to know details of what surgery poor Caeca underwent or
>> >> will
>> >> undergo. More generic information would be perfectly sufficient.
>> >>
>> >> Optime vale,
>> >> Livia
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...>
>> >> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:01 PM
>> >> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship and the SCU
>> >>
>> >> SALVE!
>> >>
>> >> Anyone can read it here:
>> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Collegium_Augurum/message/112
>> >>
>> >> VALE,
>> >> Sabinus
>> >>
>> >> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@
>> ...>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Salve,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > If it is not breaking too many rules, could the link to the CA list
>> >> > be
>> >> > posted with that specific message? Maybe everyone should see the
>> >> > cruel vitriol Piscinus posted.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vale,
>> >> > Aeternia
>> >> >
>> >> > On Monday, March 7, 2011, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
>> wrote:
>> >> > > Ave!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Obviously someone, Livia, has NOT read the CA list.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I suggest you take a gander to Piscinus's statement there.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Vale,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Sulla
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@
>> >> ...>wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Salvete omnes,
>> >> > >> I have been traveling, with little Internet access when the
>> >> > >> following
>> >> > >> lie
>> >> > >> was being spread, so I'd like to intevene now.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Quote from Cato:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "You all do realize that is was the clear and open intent to have
>> me
>> >> > >> thrown
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> out of the Respublica once Piscinus achieved his goal of
>> >> > >> obtaining
>> >> > >> power
>> >> > >> here in the Respublica, yes? Even now he rails against the
>> >> > >> "monotheists"
>> >> > >> who are here, including blaming the accident which befell Maria
>> >> > >> Caeca
>> >> > >> on
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> Gods' being angry at Nova Roma."
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> The matter is that Piscinus never said anything like this about
>> >> > >> Maria
>> >> > >> Caeca.
>> >> > >> The lie was born because Dexter made some tactless statements
>> >> > >> about
>> >> > >> Maria
>> >> > >> Caeca (which I don't remember exactly and even if I did I
>> >> > >> wouldn't
>> >> find
>> >> > >> worth quoting).
>> >> > >> Somebody (a newcomer) questioned him on that, so Dexter wrote an
>> >> answer
>> >> > >> that
>> >> > >> explained that he was making some pre-emptive irony, because he
>> >> thought
>> >> > >> that
>> >> > >> Piscinus' next step would be to blame Maria Caeca's accident on
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> gods'
>> >> > >> resentment against Nova Roma.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> But this next step never happened. I repeat: Piscinus NEVER
>> >> > >> stated
>> >> that
>> >> > >> Maria Caeca's accident had anything to do with the gods being
>> >> > >> angry
>> >> > >> at
>> >> > >> Nova
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Roma.
>> >> > >> No message saying this is to be found in this Yahoo group. On the
>> >> > >> contrary,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> if anyone is interested, you may find a message from Piscinus in
>> the
>> >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Religio_Romana_Cultorum_Deorum/group
>> >> in
>> >> > >> which
>> >> > >> he attributes to the gods' benevolence the fact that Maria Caeca
>> >> > >> survived a
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> potentially deadly accident.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> What happened in this list, however, is that Cn. Iulius Caesar,
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> propaganda master, found that spreading this lie would bring
>> >> > >> political
>> >> > >> advantages, so in a long and very well- written post he turned it
>> >> > >> into
>> >> > >> a
>> >> > >> "fact".
>> >> > >> Since then everybody seems to be convinced that Piscinus did
>> >> > >> actually
>> >> > >> blame
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> the gods for Maria Caeca's accident.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> If this sort of accuracy in checking information becomes typical
>> >> > >> of
>> >> > >> Nova
>> >> > >> Roma, I wouldn't be surprised if soon someone started to spread
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> rumour
>> >> > >> that some "Protocols of the Elder Cultores" have been found,
>> >> > >> signed
>> >> > >> by
>> >> > >> Flavius Aquila and Quintilianus, which describe a conspiracy to
>> take
>> >> > >> over
>> >> > >> Nova Roma, and in a few weeks nobody dared to doubt their
>> >> > >> existence
>> >> and
>> >> > >> authenticity.
>> >> > >> (Please note: the sentence above is an example of the same type
>> >> > >> of
>> >> > >> irony
>> >> > >> that Dexter was using. It does NOT mean that I think the
>> >> > >> "Protocols
>> >> > >> of
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> Elder Cultores" exist, and I do hope that nobody will come up
>> >> > >> with
>> >> > >> posts
>> >> > >> that take their existence for granted).
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Apparently the next step after spreading the lie that Piscinus
>> >> > >> blames
>> >> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods is attributing the same opinion to
>> >> > >> other
>> >> > >> people, who also never wrote anything of that kind.
>> >> > >> See another quote from Cato:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "Those who have joined him and Quintilianus in "Res Publica
>> >> > >> Romana"
>> >> are
>> >> > >> responsible - and accountable - for his public statements about
>> Nova
>> >> > >> Roma
>> >> > >> and her citizens. If they did not agree with him, they would not
>> >> > >> be
>> >> > >> there.
>> >> > >> So think about that before getting all weepy: Flavius Aquila
>> tacitly
>> >> > >> supports the idea that not only have the Gods deserted Nova Roma,
>> >> > >> but
>> >> > >> They
>> >> > >> are actively punishing her citizens - like Maria Caeca."
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Please, I ask everybody to remember that not only Piscinus never
>> >> blamed
>> >> > >> Caeca's accident on the gods' anger against Nova Roma, but that
>> even
>> >> if
>> >> > >> he
>> >> > >> had, the fact that other people are in the same organization with
>> >> > >> him
>> >> > >> does
>> >> > >> not necessarily mean that they share the same opinion.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I wish it had not become such a widespread hobby to put into
>> >> > >> people's
>> >> > >> mouth
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> words they never said.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Optime valete,
>> >> > >> Livia
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
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