Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibus S.P.D.


I actually knew you would respond to this mishap Magistra and you are very
quick to assume I would cast some shadow of deception. But I am prepared
for your complaint.

And in light of the recent tax changes it is obvious we are in a rough
economic climate and it makes no sense for citizens who cannot pay a 25$ tax
on average but be expected to attend two different Conventi, and when I say
"attend" I mean the following: Pay for airfare, pay for hotels, pay for
meals, and possible transportation costs two times. When you complained
about having citizens pay a 25$ a year tax, why do you feel the need to have
two different conventi when you opposed meeting Nova Roma's financial
obligations.

On a second note as for the "Lottery" idea that I came up with at the very
beginning of my term, I did indeed to propose to all of the Governors within
the North American continent and it received a very chilly reception. So
with those problems it makes sense to have one NA Conventi, and even I must
face economic constraints because I have five pets and you cannot imagine
what feeding them all and making sure their needs are covered, along with
paying bills on top of that.

I believe we see where I'm going with this, sacrifices must be made in these
hard times. But I must say Scholastica I'd be delighted to meet you in
person in Chicago, hearing latin from the Master herself, yes the Conventus
would be richer by your presence.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia




On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:45 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <
fororom@...> wrote:

>
>
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis
> > S.P.D.
>
> >
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > *sighs* Bugger!!!
> >
> > Oh Bloody heck, well this is a sign...
> >
> > Yes the Conventus will be in Chicago, we're looking at the last week of
> > September - Second Week of Octoberish...
> >
> > ATS: Inasmuch as this has reached the ML...It was my understanding that
> > the Chicago meeting was for members of the Back Alley, and that there
> would be
> > a lottery for the actual, non-Back Alley Conventus. Have we been
> deceived?
> > Some of us would prefer not to associate with certain others. I for one
> do
> > not share the value system of many of the BA / quondam Boni members, and
> would
> > not seek such parties out.
>
> >
> > It's a worldwide gig, everyone is invited..
> >
> > And I hope someone likes Canasta.
> >
> > More details will follow in the next few days and weeks.
> >
> > That's all she wrote.
> >
> > Valete,
> > Aeternua
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> Belle
>
> > Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Salvete,
> >> >
> >> > Julia does bring up a good point. I disagree that it should be
> exclusively
> >> > "Roman" but I believe that the Oriental Institute and the Art Museum
> will
> >> > accomodate our "Romanesque" (Romans loved art) are modern
> interpretations.
> >> >
> >> > I know there is a strong possibility of a Roman Re-Enactment group
> located
> >> > in Chicago, we can research and see what's popping what's popping with
> >> them.
> >> >
> >> > Canasta is a strategy based card-game very similar to Gin-Rummy but
> one
> >> > level of degree of complexity more. I can play spades as well although
> I
> >> > will need a refresher course.
> >> >
> >> > I was also thinking everyone may not want to see all the sites, they
> may
> >> > like me be late sleepers. I don't function before 10 a.m. most of the
> time
> >> > I don't even eat until after 10 a.m.. I was wondering also about
> malls, >>
> and
> >> > if the hotels will have spas, and definitely shoe stores. Maybe we
> ladies
> >> > can plan a nice shopping excursion I dunno just throwing the idea out
> >> there.
> >> >
> >> > P.S. Lets keep this off the ML for now because I think we are still
> now
> >> > debating on days and such.
> >> >
> >> > Valete,
> >> > Aeternia
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:33 PM, LIA <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Salve, et salvete,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I know we have just begun discussions regarding activity however
> are >>>
> there
> >>> > > going to be a few even remotely "Roman" activities planned. A Roman
> or
> >>> Nova
> >>> > > Roma Conventus revolves around Roman activities. Once those are
> >>> identified
> >>> > > than other activities are planned. I understand that is in Nova
> Roma's
> >>> > > history and I really have no problem with a relaxed atmosphere if
> this
> is
> >>> > > what everyone else wants but this should be addressed now.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Of course seizing the opportunity to take advantage of Chicago's
> art and
> >>> > > culture is a very Roman thing to do. Just don't want to pack too
> much in
> -
> >>> > > we want to also allow plenty of time to socialize and get to know
> one
> >>> > > another. When planning activities consideration must be given to
> the
> >>> varied
> >>> > > ages/generations, interests and fitness level. For example if some
> of
> you
> >>> > > would like to go to a theme park, I would probably bow out and
> simply
> >>> find
> >>> > > something else to do.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > For night activities I might enjoy playing Spades betting loose
> change
> or
> >>> > > sestertius;), maybe the ballet - I think "Dracula" might be
> playing, >>>
> there
> >>> > > are even haunted houses that open the first of October or Drag
> Shows if
> >>> > > anyone is interested. There will be a lot of events associated with
> fall
> and
> >>> > > Halloween that time of the year. Just hanging out is ok also or
> doing
> >>> > > something spontaneous.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Planning should incorporate a flexible schedule around a common
> interest
> we
> >>> > > all have - "things Roman."
> >>> > >
> >>> > > It would be a big help if we had an idea from each of you what your
> >>> > > interests are.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Just a few thoughts.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Wait. One last thought. It might be quite interesting to play
> canasta
> >>> > > (however that is played) while taking turns at karaoke in a Goth
> club
> and
> >>> > > drinking wine, beer and vodka into the wee hours of the morning
> reciting
> >>> > > poetry.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Vale, et valete
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Julia
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Sent from somewhere in the universe
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Apr 27, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@
> ...>
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > Salvete:
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > I have worked something in my head..
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Gualterus, you and myself are now the Activity Directors.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Gualterus will take care of Daytime activities (i.e Musesums,
> etc
> >>>> etc)---
> >>> > > you're the scholarly one and the local resident
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > and I will be in charge of the Nighttime activities (pubs,
> theatre
> >>>> shows,
> >>> > > etc etc) because from what I have been reading and such Chicago has
> a
> >>> huge
> >>> > > theatre scene, it's 4th largest city in the population of "goths"
> and
> I'm
> >>> > > sure there are plenty of Coffeehouses just waiting to be tracked
> down
> for
> >>> > > some good poetry reading.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Each night I will also hold a game of Canasta for those who like
> to
> play,
> >>> > > for the nightowls...
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Sulla-- I'd like you to keep researching on Hotels and
> Restaurants...
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Are we to be centered in the downtown area???
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Metellus has offered to be the RSVP guy when the time comes to
> do
> so...
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > I know there are things I missed, so feel free to fill in the
> gaps,
> and
> >>> > > if you want to help the Activity Directors feel free to volunteer!
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Valete,
> >>>> > > > Aeternia
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
voluntatis S.P.D.

Almost done with posting the latest grades, and am calling it a night.

> Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibus S.P.D.
>
>
> I actually knew you would respond to this mishap Magistra and you are very
> quick to assume I would cast some shadow of deception.

ATS: Not necessarily...but one has to wonder.

> But I am prepared
> for your complaint.

ATS: More like an inquiry.

>
> And in light of the recent tax changes it is obvious we are in a rough
> economic climate and it makes no sense for citizens who cannot pay a 25$ tax

ATS: I hope they haven't assessed that much on everyone.

> on average but be expected to attend two different Conventi, and when I say
> "attend" I mean the following: Pay for airfare, pay for hotels, pay for
> meals, and possible transportation costs two times.

ATS: Oh, I agree.

>When you complained
> about having citizens pay a 25$ a year tax, why do you feel the need to have
> two different conventi when you opposed meeting Nova Roma's financial
> obligations.

ATS: I don't...I just wondered!

>
> On a second note as for the "Lottery" idea that I came up with at the very
> beginning of my term, I did indeed to propose to all of the Governors within
> the North American continent and it received a very chilly reception.

ATS: Oh? The govs don't want to get involved?

>So
> with those problems it makes sense to have one NA Conventi,

ATS: One conventus...and the plural is conventús, with a long u. It's
in the fourth declension, as are many useful words, such as senatus and
census...and I agree.

>and even I must
> face economic constraints because I have five pets and you cannot imagine
> what feeding them all and making sure their needs are covered, along with
> paying bills on top of that.

ATS: I expect it might be difficult to find someplace which would
welcome them while you travel, too...pets can be wonderful companions, but
they are not cheap. Not even little birdies are cost-free.

>
> I believe we see where I'm going with this, sacrifices must be made in these
> hard times. But I must say Scholastica I'd be delighted to meet you in
> person in Chicago, hearing latin from the Master herself, yes the Conventus
> would be richer by your presence.

ATS: Well, Chicago is one of the easier places for me to access...a
straight shot on the train, but my interests do not jibe with those of many
of your Western friends. Moreover, I have even less discretionary cash than
you do, and we do want to visit Caeca, somehow, somewhere, someway. She
can't do Chi at this point. Don't think I can...wouldn't mind seeing my
favorite U again, but there's too much against this.

>
> Vale Optime,
> Aeternia

Vale optime,

Scholastica

>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:45 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <
> fororom@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
>> voluntatis
>>> S.P.D.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Salvete,
>>>
>>> *sighs* Bugger!!!
>>>
>>> Oh Bloody heck, well this is a sign...
>>>
>>> Yes the Conventus will be in Chicago, we're looking at the last week of
>>> September - Second Week of Octoberish...
>>>
>>> ATS: Inasmuch as this has reached the ML...It was my understanding that
>>> the Chicago meeting was for members of the Back Alley, and that there
>> would be
>>> a lottery for the actual, non-Back Alley Conventus. Have we been
>> deceived?
>>> Some of us would prefer not to associate with certain others. I for one
>> do
>>> not share the value system of many of the BA / quondam Boni members, and
>> would
>>> not seek such parties out.
>>
>>>
>>> It's a worldwide gig, everyone is invited..
>>>
>>> And I hope someone likes Canasta.
>>>
>>> More details will follow in the next few days and weeks.
>>>
>>> That's all she wrote.
>>>
>>> Valete,
>>> Aeternua
>>>
>>> Vale, et valete.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
>> Belle
>>
>>> Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Salvete,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julia does bring up a good point. I disagree that it should be
>> exclusively
>>>>> "Roman" but I believe that the Oriental Institute and the Art Museum
>> will
>>>>> accomodate our "Romanesque" (Romans loved art) are modern
>> interpretations.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know there is a strong possibility of a Roman Re-Enactment group
>> located
>>>>> in Chicago, we can research and see what's popping what's popping with
>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Canasta is a strategy based card-game very similar to Gin-Rummy but
>> one
>>>>> level of degree of complexity more. I can play spades as well although
>> I
>>>>> will need a refresher course.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was also thinking everyone may not want to see all the sites, they
>> may
>>>>> like me be late sleepers. I don't function before 10 a.m. most of the
>> time
>>>>> I don't even eat until after 10 a.m.. I was wondering also about
>> malls, >>
>> and
>>>>> if the hotels will have spas, and definitely shoe stores. Maybe we
>> ladies
>>>>> can plan a nice shopping excursion I dunno just throwing the idea out
>>>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. Lets keep this off the ML for now because I think we are still
>> now
>>>>> debating on days and such.
>>>>>
>>>>> Valete,
>>>>> Aeternia
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:33 PM, LIA <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Salve, et salvete,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know we have just begun discussions regarding activity however
>> are >>>
>> there
>>>>>>> going to be a few even remotely "Roman" activities planned. A Roman
>> or
>>>>> Nova
>>>>>>> Roma Conventus revolves around Roman activities. Once those are
>>>>> identified
>>>>>>> than other activities are planned. I understand that is in Nova
>> Roma's
>>>>>>> history and I really have no problem with a relaxed atmosphere if
>> this
>> is
>>>>>>> what everyone else wants but this should be addressed now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course seizing the opportunity to take advantage of Chicago's
>> art and
>>>>>>> culture is a very Roman thing to do. Just don't want to pack too
>> much in
>> -
>>>>>>> we want to also allow plenty of time to socialize and get to know
>> one
>>>>>>> another. When planning activities consideration must be given to
>> the
>>>>> varied
>>>>>>> ages/generations, interests and fitness level. For example if some
>> of
>> you
>>>>>>> would like to go to a theme park, I would probably bow out and
>> simply
>>>>> find
>>>>>>> something else to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For night activities I might enjoy playing Spades betting loose
>> change
>> or
>>>>>>> sestertius;), maybe the ballet - I think "Dracula" might be
>> playing, >>>
>> there
>>>>>>> are even haunted houses that open the first of October or Drag
>> Shows if
>>>>>>> anyone is interested. There will be a lot of events associated with
>> fall
>> and
>>>>>>> Halloween that time of the year. Just hanging out is ok also or
>> doing
>>>>>>> something spontaneous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Planning should incorporate a flexible schedule around a common
>> interest
>> we
>>>>>>> all have - "things Roman."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be a big help if we had an idea from each of you what your
>>>>>>> interests are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wait. One last thought. It might be quite interesting to play
>> canasta
>>>>>>> (however that is played) while taking turns at karaoke in a Goth
>> club
>> and
>>>>>>> drinking wine, beer and vodka into the wee hours of the morning
>> reciting
>>>>>>> poetry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vale, et valete
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from somewhere in the universe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@
>> ...>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Salvete:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have worked something in my head..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gualterus, you and myself are now the Activity Directors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gualterus will take care of Daytime activities (i.e Musesums,
>> etc
>>>>>> etc)---
>>>>>>> you're the scholarly one and the local resident
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and I will be in charge of the Nighttime activities (pubs,
>> theatre
>>>>>> shows,
>>>>>>> etc etc) because from what I have been reading and such Chicago has
>> a
>>>>> huge
>>>>>>> theatre scene, it's 4th largest city in the population of "goths"
>> and
>> I'm
>>>>>>> sure there are plenty of Coffeehouses just waiting to be tracked
>> down
>> for
>>>>>>> some good poetry reading.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Each night I will also hold a game of Canasta for those who like
>> to
>> play,
>>>>>>> for the nightowls...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sulla-- I'd like you to keep researching on Hotels and
>> Restaurants...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are we to be centered in the downtown area???
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Metellus has offered to be the RSVP guy when the time comes to
>> do
>> so...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know there are things I missed, so feel free to fill in the
>> gaps,
>> and
>>>>>>> if you want to help the Activity Directors feel free to volunteer!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Valete,
>>>>>>>>> Aeternia
>>>>>>>

>

Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibus S.P.D.

see my comments below deck.

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 2:13 AM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...

> wrote:

>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> Almost done with posting the latest grades, and am calling it a night.
>

Aeternia: Yes is past 2 a.m. here and I'm not feeling well at all, I think
we both could use some shut eye.

>
>
> > Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibus S.P.D.
> >
> >
> > I actually knew you would respond to this mishap Magistra and you are
> very
> > quick to assume I would cast some shadow of deception.
>
> ATS: Not necessarily...but one has to wonder.
>

Aeternia: Wonder what?

>
>
> > But I am prepared
> > for your complaint.
>
> ATS: More like an inquiry.
>


>
> >
> > And in light of the recent tax changes it is obvious we are in a rough
> > economic climate and it makes no sense for citizens who cannot pay a 25$
> tax
>
> ATS: I hope they haven't assessed that much on everyone.
>



>
>
> > on average but be expected to attend two different Conventi, and when I
> say
> > "attend" I mean the following: Pay for airfare, pay for hotels, pay for
> > meals, and possible transportation costs two times.
>
> ATS: Oh, I agree.
>

Aeternia: Exactly, we must acknowledge these are just hard times currently.

>
>
> >When you complained
> > about having citizens pay a 25$ a year tax, why do you feel the need to
> have
> > two different conventi when you opposed meeting Nova Roma's financial
> > obligations.
>
> ATS: I don't...I just wondered!
>



>
> >
> > On a second note as for the "Lottery" idea that I came up with at the
> very
> > beginning of my term, I did indeed to propose to all of the Governors
> within
> > the North American continent and it received a very chilly reception.
>
> ATS: Oh? The govs don't want to get involved?
>

Aeternia: Most of them didn't seem to feel it, I take silence to be the
answer "no". So I came up with a Plan B.

>
>
> >So
> > with those problems it makes sense to have one NA Conventi,
>
> ATS: One conventus...and the plural is convent�s, with a long u. It's
> in the fourth declension, as are many useful words, such as senatus and
> census...and I agree.
>

Aeternia: It's after 2 a.m. and I get credit for trying to do everything the
CA is supposed to be doing :-).

>
>
> >and even I must
> > face economic constraints because I have five pets and you cannot imagine
> > what feeding them all and making sure their needs are covered, along with
> > paying bills on top of that.
>
> ATS: I expect it might be difficult to find someplace which would
> welcome them while you travel, too...pets can be wonderful companions, but
> they are not cheap. Not even little birdies are cost-free.
>
>

Aeternia: No the children will be have a babysitter, I haven't been out of
this state in almost two years. Pet free weekend is a welcoming prospect.

> >
> > I believe we see where I'm going with this, sacrifices must be made in
> these
> > hard times. But I must say Scholastica I'd be delighted to meet you in
> > person in Chicago, hearing latin from the Master herself, yes the
> Conventus
> > would be richer by your presence.
>
> ATS: Well, Chicago is one of the easier places for me to access...a
> straight shot on the train, but my interests do not jibe with those of many
> of your Western friends. Moreover, I have even less discretionary cash than
> you do, and we do want to visit Caeca, somehow, somewhere, someway. She
> can't do Chi at this point. Don't think I can...wouldn't mind seeing my
> favorite U again, but there's too much against this.
>

Aeternia: I won't speak for Caeca, but I'm willing to try and make this
Conventus happen, I'd like to meet more NR folks, we need to focus more on
community than the bickering and dissension.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

> >
> > Vale Optime,
> > Aeternia
>
> Vale optime,
>
> Scholastica
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:45 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <
> > fororom@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
> >> voluntatis
> >>> S.P.D.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Salvete,
> >>>
> >>> *sighs* Bugger!!!
> >>>
> >>> Oh Bloody heck, well this is a sign...
> >>>
> >>> Yes the Conventus will be in Chicago, we're looking at the last week of
> >>> September - Second Week of Octoberish...
> >>>
> >>> ATS: Inasmuch as this has reached the ML...It was my understanding that
> >>> the Chicago meeting was for members of the Back Alley, and that there
> >> would be
> >>> a lottery for the actual, non-Back Alley Conventus. Have we been
> >> deceived?
> >>> Some of us would prefer not to associate with certain others. I for one
> >> do
> >>> not share the value system of many of the BA / quondam Boni members,
> and
> >> would
> >>> not seek such parties out.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> It's a worldwide gig, everyone is invited..
> >>>
> >>> And I hope someone likes Canasta.
> >>>
> >>> More details will follow in the next few days and weeks.
> >>>
> >>> That's all she wrote.
> >>>
> >>> Valete,
> >>> Aeternua
> >>>
> >>> Vale, et valete.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> ,
> >> Belle
> >>
> >>> Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Salvete,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Julia does bring up a good point. I disagree that it should be
> >> exclusively
> >>>>> "Roman" but I believe that the Oriental Institute and the Art Museum
> >> will
> >>>>> accomodate our "Romanesque" (Romans loved art) are modern
> >> interpretations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I know there is a strong possibility of a Roman Re-Enactment group
> >> located
> >>>>> in Chicago, we can research and see what's popping what's popping
> with
> >>>> them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Canasta is a strategy based card-game very similar to Gin-Rummy but
> >> one
> >>>>> level of degree of complexity more. I can play spades as well
> although
> >> I
> >>>>> will need a refresher course.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was also thinking everyone may not want to see all the sites, they
> >> may
> >>>>> like me be late sleepers. I don't function before 10 a.m. most of the
> >> time
> >>>>> I don't even eat until after 10 a.m.. I was wondering also about
> >> malls, >>
> >> and
> >>>>> if the hotels will have spas, and definitely shoe stores. Maybe we
> >> ladies
> >>>>> can plan a nice shopping excursion I dunno just throwing the idea out
> >>>> there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> P.S. Lets keep this off the ML for now because I think we are still
> >> now
> >>>>> debating on days and such.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Valete,
> >>>>> Aeternia
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:33 PM, LIA <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Salve, et salvete,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I know we have just begun discussions regarding activity however
> >> are >>>
> >> there
> >>>>>>> going to be a few even remotely "Roman" activities planned. A Roman
> >> or
> >>>>> Nova
> >>>>>>> Roma Conventus revolves around Roman activities. Once those are
> >>>>> identified
> >>>>>>> than other activities are planned. I understand that is in Nova
> >> Roma's
> >>>>>>> history and I really have no problem with a relaxed atmosphere if
> >> this
> >> is
> >>>>>>> what everyone else wants but this should be addressed now.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Of course seizing the opportunity to take advantage of Chicago's
> >> art and
> >>>>>>> culture is a very Roman thing to do. Just don't want to pack too
> >> much in
> >> -
> >>>>>>> we want to also allow plenty of time to socialize and get to know
> >> one
> >>>>>>> another. When planning activities consideration must be given to
> >> the
> >>>>> varied
> >>>>>>> ages/generations, interests and fitness level. For example if some
> >> of
> >> you
> >>>>>>> would like to go to a theme park, I would probably bow out and
> >> simply
> >>>>> find
> >>>>>>> something else to do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For night activities I might enjoy playing Spades betting loose
> >> change
> >> or
> >>>>>>> sestertius;), maybe the ballet - I think "Dracula" might be
> >> playing, >>>
> >> there
> >>>>>>> are even haunted houses that open the first of October or Drag
> >> Shows if
> >>>>>>> anyone is interested. There will be a lot of events associated with
> >> fall
> >> and
> >>>>>>> Halloween that time of the year. Just hanging out is ok also or
> >> doing
> >>>>>>> something spontaneous.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Planning should incorporate a flexible schedule around a common
> >> interest
> >> we
> >>>>>>> all have - "things Roman."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It would be a big help if we had an idea from each of you what your
> >>>>>>> interests are.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just a few thoughts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Wait. One last thought. It might be quite interesting to play
> >> canasta
> >>>>>>> (however that is played) while taking turns at karaoke in a Goth
> >> club
> >> and
> >>>>>>> drinking wine, beer and vodka into the wee hours of the morning
> >> reciting
> >>>>>>> poetry.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Vale, et valete
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Julia
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from somewhere in the universe
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@
> >> ...>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Salvete:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I have worked something in my head..
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Gualterus, you and myself are now the Activity Directors.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Gualterus will take care of Daytime activities (i.e Musesums,
> >> etc
> >>>>>> etc)---
> >>>>>>> you're the scholarly one and the local resident
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> and I will be in charge of the Nighttime activities (pubs,
> >> theatre
> >>>>>> shows,
> >>>>>>> etc etc) because from what I have been reading and such Chicago has
> >> a
> >>>>> huge
> >>>>>>> theatre scene, it's 4th largest city in the population of "goths"
> >> and
> >> I'm
> >>>>>>> sure there are plenty of Coffeehouses just waiting to be tracked
> >> down
> >> for
> >>>>>>> some good poetry reading.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Each night I will also hold a game of Canasta for those who like
> >> to
> >> play,
> >>>>>>> for the nightowls...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sulla-- I'd like you to keep researching on Hotels and
> >> Restaurants...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Are we to be centered in the downtown area???
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Metellus has offered to be the RSVP guy when the time comes to
> >> do
> >> so...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I know there are things I missed, so feel free to fill in the
> >> gaps,
> >> and
> >>>>>>> if you want to help the Activity Directors feel free to volunteer!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Valete,
> >>>>>>>>> Aeternia
> >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
>
>

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Iulia Regillae Voluso omnibusque in foro S.P.D

"I will walk dressed and armed with weapons of Mars in order that my enemies, having feet, can't reach me; having hands, can't catch me; having eyes, can't see me and in thought can't hurt me. Firearms will not reach my body, knives and spears break without touching my body, ropes and chains burst without tying my body.

Iupiter, protect me and defend me with the power of your holy and divine blessings, be my defender against the wickedness and persecution of my enemies.

Juno, cover me with your sacred and divine mantle, protecting me in all my sorrows and afflictions.

Glorious Minerva, extend me your shield and your powerful weapons, defending me with your strenght and greatness and that underneath of your faithful rider´s feet my enemies stay humble and submissive to you.

Ilicet, with the power of Iupiter, Iuno, Minerva, and Mars phalanx."

Regilla, that is a lovely prayer and I thank you so very much for sharing it!

Voluse, thank you as well. Your attitude is one I hope we all adapt. Your mention of Hindu deities is a perfect example of inclusiveness as more and more the similarities of pre-vedic and vedic to Roman aspects are being discussed by scholars. India loves Ancient Rome and in many respects it is similar, even now, to Ancient Rome. From one Hindu Temple to another, even in the same sect, they vary and incorporate deities with ancient influences from the peoples who settled in the areas. The ancient Jewish people as well, esp. after the Babylonian Exile, held, mostly in secret, a belief in other deities of Middle Eastern and Egyptian influence. Yet the religious tenets and philosophies of the Hindus and the Jewish people survive and flourish today!

Io Floralia!

Curate ut valeatis optime!

L. Iulia Aquila
Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
Pontifex Novæ Romæ
http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/

Iulia pont. Regillae Sicinio omnibusque in foro S.P.D

Io Floralia!

Regilla, thank you for your application and your willingness to serve! Please feel free to contact me with any questions! You should also post the link to your wonderful blog in the forum as well.

For those of you interested if you cannot read Spanish and use google chrome it will automatically translate her blog into into English, it is well worth a look.

Sicini, although you feel you are not the priestly type I am taking this opportunity to ask you to contribute to a small project;) An undertaking really, "Roman Prayer Project" to replace the Roman Prayers that someone indiscriminately defiled by removing prayers, written by Ancient Romans, for all the Deities from their prayer page. Although I have performed a piaculum, the Gods may still be very displeased for those responsible.
So, since you asked;)(and the timing is perfect btw) if you should come across a passage that is also, or will work, as a prayer to a specific Deity you can either post it yourself on the Wiki or... send it to me and I will post it on the appropriate Deity's page.
This will be a truly magnificent way to honor Mercurius, Pan, Saturn and Liber Pater/Bacchus. I thank you personally, the CP thanks you and Nova Roma thanks you!

Curate ut valeatis optime!

L. Iulia Aquila
Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
Pontifex Novæ Romæ
http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Ty Sponchia <muskegcorner@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> As a follower of Mercury i would like to extend a helping hand to any who need help researching the God of Trade. I had considered applying for a position myself but i am not the priestly type. I celebrate His holidays and give thanks before and after a deal and I must say that with His help my import business has survived the down turn and expanded.
>
> Please let me know how i can be of help. I have been doing research on Pan and Saturn as well.
>
> Since I am a wine maker as a hobby and for drinking i make sure to thank and acknowledge Liber; the Etruscan God of Harvest and wine that has become entangled with the upstart Greek God of Wine.
>
> Titus Sicinius Metellus
>
> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Denise D. <aemilia.regilla@...> wrote:
>
> From: Denise D. <aemilia.regilla@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Open gates to Nova Roma priesthood.
> To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com" <ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com>
> Received: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:23 PM
>
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> Salvete,
>
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>
> I sent my application for priesthood in pvt to T.I. Sabinus and G.C. Lentulus e-mails.
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> Valete,
>
>  
>
> --
>
> V.A. Regilla
>

SALVETE!

Nova Roma is accepting applications based of simple test knowledge for various
Priesthoods. If you are interested in helping to rebuild the Religio Romana and
the worship of the ancient Roman deities on an official public basis, we would
be pleased to hear from you. The Priesthoods in Nova Roma are open to both men
and women, with the exception of the Vestals. As Priesthood is an important
position of responsibility we do ask that you read the following guidelines:

- We ask that applicants have sincere religious feeling for the deity who's
priesthood they wish to undertake. It is necessary that the applicant worship
that deity in private life in addition to being willing to preside over public
rituals on behalf of Nova Roma. As our central goal is to restore sincere as
well as traditional worship of the ancient Gods, we cannot grant Priesthood
status to Citizens who apply only for reasons of historical curiosity or for
purposes of secular historical reenactment.
- We ask that Priesthood applicants have real time to devote toward advancing
the worship of their chosen deity both within Nova Roma and in the outside
world. This involves being available for public correspondence concerning the
worship of the God or Goddess they serve, assisting others in their personal
worship, working to reconstruct rites, prayers and other religious liturgy
related to their deity, being available for public rites sponsored by Nova Roma,
and ideally, organizing public rites/temples on their own as well. We feel that
Priesthood is defined by active service on many levels. Therefore we cannot
provide empty "titles" for those who are unable to put forth genuine effort.
- We must ask that all Priesthood applicants be able to do College-level
literary research to recover the historical facts of their Priesthood, and the
worship of the God or Goddess they seek to serve. The restoration of the Religio
Romana is still in its first stages and it is the Priesthood that must do the
historical work to make their chosen path come alive again. Each Priestess or
Priest will be required to create a complete written "plan" for rebuilding the
worship of their deity at some point, This will need to include not only a
historical overview of their God or Goddesses ancient worship, but also written
rituals for the deities festival days, prayers and rites for others who seek to
worship that deity, offering liturgy, etc. We recommend that applicants have
access to one or more good libraries, or have the means to find/buy scholarly
books and resource materials.
- We must also request that applicants agree to act within a Roman
reconstructionist format while acting as an official Priestess or Priest of Nova
Roma. This means being as historically accurate as possible in rituals,
offerings, prayers, written text, etc. As we are seeking to build the Religio
Romana as a distinct religion in the modern world, it is important that it's
practices be as unique today as they were in the antiquity.
- We ask that applicants be involved with Nova Roma as a Citizen for six months
before applying for a Priesthood position. This is important because members of
the Priesthood are acting on behalf of Nova Roma itself, and some experience
with the community you will be working with is necessary. This can only come
with time.
- We ask that applicants to obtain and maintain the assidui status (taxpayer)
during their term of service in Priesthood.

All interested applicants can contact the Collegium Pontificum through any of
the Nova Roma pontifices, using their contact section of the Album Civium page.
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Collegium_pontificum_%28Nova_Roma%29
or presented their interest in Nova Roma main list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/
and Religio Romana list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ReligioRomana/
no late than pr. Non. Mai. 2764 a.U.c (6th of May 2011.


Available positions but not limited to:

Apollinis Aedis Sacerdotes
Iani Aedis Sacerdotes
Iovis Aedes Sacerdotes
Iuno Aedis Sacerdotes
Magnae Matris Deum Aedis Sacerdotes
Mentis Aedis Sacerdotes
Minervae Aedis Sacerdotes
Neptuni Aedis Sacerdotes
Palatuae Aedis Sacerdotes

Flamines Minores:
Flamen Carmentalis
Flamen Cerealis
Flamen Falacer
Flamen Florealis
Flamen Palatualis
Flamen Portunalis - under direct supervision and training of current flamen
Petronius Dexter.
Flamen Volcanalis
Flamen Volturnalis

Virgines Vestales 5 positions

Quirites!

Let's celebrate the founding of Rome with great interest and effective serving
the Roman Religion.

VALETE,
Sabinus

Iulia Pontifex Quiritibus S.P.D.


Not all of you are aware that someone indiscriminately defiled the prayer pages of our Roman Gods by removing the prayers to them that were written by ancient authors.
I was, and am, appalled by this act of vandalism against the Gods and the dignity of the ancient Roman authors.
I have performed a piaculum, but the Gods may still be very displeased at those responsible. I leave those consequences to the Gods, it is not worth my time to find out who committed such an act or to seek retribution for our Gods I would rather expend my energy in the positive actions of rebuilding these pages thereby honoring our Gods in the best possible way.

I ask all Novi Romani to help out, si placet, just a few moments of your time; if everyone does just a little we will rebuild these pages!

Many of you occasionally come across a Roman prayer while reading a passage from ancient Roman authors or even while surfing the internet. I humbly ask that should you come across such a passage from "literary and epigraphic sources" that you post it on the Nova Roma wiki under the appropriate God/dess here:
http://novaroma.org/nr/Prayers
Or send it to me and I will post it on the appropriate Deity's page.
If able it would be great to post the prayer in both English *and* Latin - but please do not allow this to keep you from posting the prayer. Maybe those who have Latin or Latin resources can help in this respect.

Please contribute to this small project, which is not an "official" project of NR or the CP, but a project of the people, of you, the citizens for our Gods and the Respublica!

There is no time limit, no pressure, no committees to join - just do what you can when you can, even if it is a one-line prayer.

Si placet.

Please help honor the Gods and the Respublica!

Gratias, I appreciate your time and attention

Curate ut valeatis optime!

L. Iulia Aquila
Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
Pontifex Novæ Romæ
http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/

Io Floralia!"Incipis Aprili, transis in tempora Maii:
alter te fugiens, cum venit alter habet.cum tua sint cedantque tibi
confinia mensum, convenit in laudes ille vel ille tuas.Circus in
hunc exit clamataque palma theatris; hoc quoque cum Circi munere
carmen eat.""You start in April and cross to the time of MayOne has
you as it leaves, one as it comesSince the edges of these months are
yours and deferTo you, either of them suits your praises.The Circus
continues and the theatre's lauded palm,Let this song, too, join the
Circus spectacle."Ovid, Fasti (V.185-190)

<http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=7539109126124400750&postID=14\
66375888602009528> "Mater, ades, florum, ludis celebranda
iocosis" "Come, Mother of Flowers, that we may honor thee with
merry games"Ovid, Fasti (V.183)
Flora: A temple was built to honor the goddess of flowers and blossoming
plants, Flora. In 263 BCE it was dedicated on April 28 (to May 2nd or
3rd)to the Goddess Flora and the festival of Floralia was first declared
to solicit her protection, propitiousness of crops and flowers in
gardens and fields and wealth. Favonius, the God of the West Wind had
authority over plants and flowers and upon taking by force, the Nymph,
Flora, into marriage He gifted that dominion to the Goddess as amends.
Flora was honored as a fertility Goddess by the Sabines an old Italic
tribe of the Apennines before the founding of Rome. The Goddess can
avert the fungal disease of plants, particularly wheat, known as rust
that causes iron colored growths.

<http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=7539109126124400750&postID=14\
66375888602009528> "Itaque iidem floralia iiii kal. easdem
instituerunt urbis anno dxvi ex oraculis sibyllae, ut omnia bene
deflorescerent. hunc diem Varro determinat sole tauri partem xiiii
obtinente. ergo si in hoc quadriduum inciderit plenilunium, fruges et
omnia, quae florebunt, laedi necesse erit.""The same people
also, in the year of the City 513, instituted the Floralia, a festival
held upon the fourth before the calends of May, in accordance with the
oracular injunctions of the Sibyl, to secure a favorable season for the
blossoms and flowers. Varro fixes this day as the time at which the sun
enters the fourteenth degree of Taurus. [April 28] If there should
happen to be a full moon during the four days at this period, injury to
the corn and all the plants that are in blossom will be the necessary
result."Pliny the Elder Natural History Plin. Nat. 18.103

<http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J1Kf7GxsZ1E/Tbd4zWJAS3I/AAAAAAAAAZ8/ZBal1nX2f\
rA/s1600/Floralia+pa_villa_igiea_immagine4bis.gif>
Ludi Florae: Great Banquets and Games were in abundance. Romans wore
colorful garments and walked around clutching bouquets of flowers and
wore wreaths of flowers around their neck or in their hair. They
scattered the flowers of lupines, bean and vetch about. Romans attended
bawdy plays where prostitutes and female actresses performed naked at
the demand of the crowds, cheered and jeered at licentious farces and
mimes, attended gladiatorial games and chariot races where chickpeas
were thrown to the people and hunted the symbols of fertility; deer (or
goats[1]
<file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Jenna%20Rose/My%20Documents/1Relg\
ioRomana/Flora%20Floralia.docx#_ftn1> ) and hare. The festivities began
in the morning with the rituals continuing as Romans danced, drank and
surrounded themselves with flowers into the night.
Floralia in ancient times was the quintessential nature festival earning
moral judgments from Cato the Younger, Ausonius, Lactantius, and
Augustine. However Floralia is recognized as a valuable festival and
noted in good regard from Varro, Pliny, Ovid, Juvenal, Persius, Martial,
Aulus Gellius and Valerius Maximas. At one time the Floralia was labeled
superstitio and discontinued but it was revived again in 173 BCE when
violent winds, hail and rain fell destroyed the blossoms and crops. The
ancient Romans felt that this was Flora's wrath for neglecting Her
festival (Ovid, Fasti, V). Floralia symbolizes the renewal of life.

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wM/s1600/Floralia_Plate1.JPG>

Modern Floralia: When I was still living at my Parent's home fresh
cut large purple Lilacs filled our home with the most wonderful scent
around the time of the Floralia! Flowers, from my Mother's garden and
also from the florist, were given to other family members, friends and
placed on the graves of my ancestors. Beginning with Juno, Matronalia,
on the kalends of March and honoring the Spring Goddesses such as Venus
Mater, to whom I was dedicated, and Ceres, we continued our Spring
celebrations honoring Flora. I continue this tradition today - and like
my Father I also incorporated chocolate animals and eggs (which we also
got on "Eastre", sometimes getting a jump on Floralia, so we
would not feel so different from others - and on May 1st we would attend
a "flower dance" and a Maypole celebration if one was available. This
tradition of attending public "flower dances" I occasionally
have continued after moving to the south, however when I was on business
in Europe there were no lack of "flower dances" and Maypole
celebrations. The main feast was held on the first Sunday of Floralia
and included roasted Lamb, homemade breads, fresh and roasted spring
vegetables, fruits, nuts and a variety of delicious pastries –
although now more often than not we go to a restaurant.
"They also set up a May-pole, drinking and dancing about it many days
togaether, inviting the Indean women, for their consorts, dancing and
frisking togither, (like so many fairies, or furies rather,) and worse
practises. As if they had anew revived & celebrated the feasts of ye
Roman Goddess Flora, or ye beasly practieses of ye madd
Bacchinalians." Bradford, William (1856). History of Plymouth.
Boston: Little, Brown and Company. pp. 237–238.
Not as "Bacchanalian" as I had been in my youth, I still enjoy
the indulgences of Floralia doing my part to keep the festival alive!
Continue I the tradition of reading selections from Ovid's Fasti
Liber V to my ancestors' descendants and adapt an ancient closing
prayer into my ritual, personalized with my name in lieu of Ovid's:
"Mansit odor; posses scire fuisse deam. Floreat ut toto carmen
Nasonis in aevo,sparge, precor, donis pectora nostra tuis."
<http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=7539109126124400750&postID=14\
66375888602009528> "A fragrance lingered; you could know a goddess
had been there. That Naso's lay may bloom for aye, O strew, I pray
thee, goddess, thy boons upon my breast!"
Ovid Fasti (V. 376 - 378)
The Goddess-Nymph speaks to Ovidus:
"Forsitan in teneris tantum mea regna coronisesse putes. tangit
numen et arva meum.si bene floruerint segetes, erit area dives:si bene
floruerit vinea, Bacchus erit;si bene floruerint oleae, nitidissimus
annus, pomaque proventum temporis huius habent.flore semel
laeso pereunt viciaeque fabaeque,et pereunt lentes, advena Nile,
tuae.vina quoque in magnis operose condita cellisflorent, et nebulae
dolia summa tegunt. mella meum munus: volucres ego mella
daturasad violam et cytisos et thyma cana voco.'(nos quoque idem facimus
tunc, cum iuvenalibus annisluxuriant animi, corporaque ipsa
vigent.)""Perhaps you may think that I am queen only of dainty
garlands; but my divinity has to do also with the tilled fields. If the
crops have blossomed well, the threshing-floor will be piled high; if
the vines have blossomed well, there will be wine; if the olive-trees
have blossomed well, most buxom will be the year; and the fruitage will
be according to the time of blossoming. If once the blossom is nipped,
the vetches and beans wither, and thy lentils, O Nile that comest from
afar, do likewise wither. Wines also bloom, laboriously stored in great
cellars, and a scum covers their surface in the jars. Honey is my gift.
`Tis I who call the winged creatures, which yield honey, to the
violet, and the clover, and the grey thyme. (`Tis I, too, who
discharge the same function when in youthful years spirits run riot and
bodies are robust.)"
Ovid Fasti (V. 261 – 274)

<http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-H7X9-ZOD3fU/Tbd55abzfXI/AAAAAAAAAaI/N8YNo8ArA\
wY/s1600/Primavera-Flora-and-Spring.jpg>
In closing, a reminder to honor the Gods from Flora herself:
"'nos quoque tangit honor: festis gaudemus et aris,
turbaque caelestes ambitiosa sumus.
saepe deos aliquis peccando fecit iniquos,
et pro delictis hostia blanda fuit;
saepe Iovem vidi, cum iam sua mittere vellet
fulmina, ture dato sustinuisse manum.
at si neglegimur, magnis iniuria poenis
solvitur, et iustum praeterit ira modum.""We, too, are
touched by honor; we delight in festivals and altars; we heavenly beings
are a greedy gang. Often by sinning has a man disposed the gods against
him, and a sacrificial victim has been a sop for crimes. Often have I
seen Jupiter, when he was just about to launch his thunderbolts, hold
his hand on the receipt of incense. But if we are neglected, we avenge
the wrong by heavenly penalties, and our wrath exceeds just bounds."
Ovid Fasti (V. 297 – 304)


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<file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Jenna%20Rose/My%20Documents/1Relg\
ioRomana/Flora%20Floralia.docx#_ftnref1> Ovid refers to deer as 1)
Ovid (Ovid: Fasti) refers to deer as "capreae" while some
translate this to "row deer (pl)" others translate it to
"goats" as "caprae" is plural for female goats and
"capreae" is the ancient name for the goat abundant Isle of
Capri. Since this festival was not of wild vegetation and wild animals
it might stand to reason that the animals were domesticated rabbits and
goats rather than rabbits and deer as deer cannot truly be domesticated
although they can, with difficulty, be penned but this is mainly a
modern practice. Rabbits, while a general symbol of fertility are also
specifically a symbol of female fertility and goats are a symbol of male
fertility. Deer on the other hand are also a general symbol of fertility
but they too are also specifically a female symbol of fertility. As
symbols of fertility, the rabbit and the goat would be symbolic of a
fertile union.



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Salvete!

To celebrate Floralia, and in honor of The Goddess Flora, I would like to offer a challenge to all citizens and reward a shiny NR sestertius to the citizen who contributes the most prayers to the Gods through the period of the festival: April 28 - May 3.

The rules:
1) the prayers must be from an ancient source
2) any Deity may be honored
3) email your entries to me at luciaiuliaaquila AT hotmail.com

More info here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/84227

Io Floralia!

Curate ut valeatis optime!

L. Iulia Aquila
Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
Pontifex Novæ Romæ
http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem IV Kalendas Maius; haec dies comitialis est.

"But enough! For such important testimonies from her witnesses has
Fortune to support her. But we must also introduce the testimony of
the very events of history, taking as the beginning of our account the
beginning of Rome. To begin with, who would not at once declare
touching the birth, the preservation, the nurture, the development of
Romulus, bthat Fortune laid the foundations, and that Virtue finished
the building? In the first place, then, it appears that the
circumstances surrounding the origin and the birth of the very
founders and builders of Rome were of a marvellous good fortune. For
their mother is said to have consorted with a god; and even as they
relate that Heracles was conceived during a long night (for the day
was retarded in contrariety to nature, and the sun delayed), so
regarding the generation and conception of Romulus they record that
the sun was eclipsed and came into exact conjunction with the moon at
the time when Mars, a god, consorted with the mortal Silvia. And this
same thing, they say, happened to Romulus also at the very time of his
translation from this life; for they relate that he disappeared during
an eclipse of the sun on the Capratine Nones, on which day, even to
the present time, they hold high festival.

Later, when the children were born and the despot gave orders to do
away with them, by the decree of Fortune no barbarous or savage
servant but a compassionate and humane man received them, with the
result that he did not kill them; but there was a margin of the river,
bordering upon a green meadow, shaded round about with lowly shrubs;
and here the servant deposited the infants near a certain wild fig-
tree, to which people later gave the name Ruminalis. Then a she-wolf,
that had newly whelped, with her dugs distended and overflowing with
milk because her young had perished, being herself in great need of
relief, circled around the infants and then gave them suck, thus
ridding herself of the pain caused by the milk as if it had been a
second birth-pang. And a bird sacred to Mars, which they call the
woodpecker, visited them and, perching near on tiptoe, would, with its
claw, open the mouth of each child in turn and place therein a morsel,
sharing with them a portion of its own food. Wherefore they named this
wild fig-tree Ruminalis, from the teat (ruma) which the wolf offered
to the children as she crouched beside the tree. And for a long time
the people who dwelt near this place preserved the custom of never
exposing any of the new-born infants, but they acknowledged and reared
them all, in honour of Romulus's experience and the similarity of the
children's case with his.

And, in truth, the fact that they were not discovered while they were
being reared and educated in Gabii, and that it was unknown that they
were the sons of Silvia and the grandchildren of king Numitor surely
appears to have been a furtive and shrewd device of Fortune, so that
they might not, because of their lineage, be put to death before
performing their tasks, but that they might in their very successes be
discovered, by bringing to notice their noble qualities as tokens by
which to recognize their high birth.

At this point there occurs to me the remark of a great and prudent
general, Themistocles, which was made to certain of the generals who
came into favour at Athens after him and felt that they deserved to be
rated above him. He said that the Day-After contended with the Feast-
Day, saying that the Feast-Day was full of wearying tasks and labours,
but on the Day-After men enjoyed in quiet all things that had been
made ready. Then the Feast-Day said, 'What you say is true; but if I
had not been, where would you be?' 'And so,' said Themistocles, 'if I
had not been at the time of the Persian Wars, what benefit would now
come from you?' And this, methinks, is what Fortune says to the
Virtue of Romulus: 'Brilliant and mighty are your deeds, and in very
truth you have proved yourself to be divine in blood and birth. But do
you observe how far you fall behind me? For if, at the time of his
birth, I had not accompanied him in a helpful and humane guise, but
had deserted and abandoned the infants, how could you have come into
being and whence had you derived such lustre? If on that occasion
there had not come to them a female beast swollen with the abundance
and the burden of her milk, and in need of some creature to be fed
rather than of something to yield her sustenance, but if instead there
had come some utterly savage and ravening creature, would not even now
these fair palaces and temples, theatres, promenades, fora, and public
buildings be herdsmen's huts and folds of shepherds who paid homage to
some man of Alba or Etruria or Latium as their lord?' The beginning,
as every one knows, is of supreme importance in everything, and
particularly in the founding and building of a city; and this Fortune
provided, since she had preserved and protected the founder. For
Virtue made Romulus great, but Fortune watched over him until he
became great." - Plutarch, "On the Fortunes of The Romans" 8

Of all the deities, Fortuna was the most absolute and the most
universally worshiped; for she kept all men at her feet, the
prosperous through fear and the unfortunate through hope. She was also
an eccentric goddess, not only favoring the brave according to the
familiar maxim of Terence, but likewise being decidedly partial to
fools if we may believe another classical saying: "Fortuna favet
fatuis." And again, as an ancient poet wrote: "Legem veretur nocens,
Fortunam innocens." The satirist Juvenal said that if men were
discreet, Fortune had no power over them. When she entered Rome she
folded her wings as a sign that she wished to remain there; and, as
has been aptly remarked, she is there still, for the modern Roman is
as firm a believer in luck, whether good or bad, as was the Roman
citizen two thousand years ago. Among the ancients, a lucky event,
something opportune occurring unexpectedly, was ascribed to a sudden
caprice or whim on the part of the goddess, while success in an
undertaking was thought to be due to her favor when in a sober mood.

"All over the world, in all places and at all times, Fortune is the
only god whom every one invokes: she alone is spoken of; she alone is
accused and is supposed to be guilty; she alone is in our thoughts, is
praised and blamed, and is loaded with reproaches; wavering as she is,
conceived by the generality of mankind to be blind, wandering,
inconstant, uncertain, variable, and often favoring the unworthy. To
her are referred all our losses and all our gains, and, in casting up
the accounts of mortals, she alone balances the two pages of our
sheet. We are so much in the power of chance, that chance itself is
considered as a god." - Pliny, Natural History

Valete bene!

Cato

Salvete,

Just a comment regarding the following statement i made about the upcoming conventus in case anyone is concerned:

"Wait. One last thought. It might be quite interesting to play canasta (however that is played) while taking turns at karaoke in a Goth club and drinking wine, beer and vodka into the wee hours of the morning reciting poetry."

Unfortunately it was taken out of context by one citizen. It appeared as an error to a large body of planning emails, this particular one also included "free time" activities. It was not meant to be serious, it was a joke tinged with a bit of good natured sarcasm~

Valete,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, LIA <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> Salve, et salvete,
>
> I know we have just begun discussions regarding activity however are there going to be a few even remotely "Roman" activities planned. A Roman or Nova Roma Conventus revolves around Roman activities. Once those are identified than other activities are planned. I understand that is in Nova Roma's history and I really have no problem with a relaxed atmosphere if this is what everyone else wants but this should be addressed now.
>
> Of course seizing the opportunity to take advantage of Chicago's art and culture is a very Roman thing to do. Just don't want to pack too much in - we want to also allow plenty of time to socialize and get to know one another. When planning activities consideration must be given to the varied ages/generations, interests and fitness level. For example if some of you would like to go to a theme park, I would probably bow out and simply find something else to do.
>
> For night activities I might enjoy playing Spades betting loose change or sestertius;), maybe the ballet - I think "Dracula" might be playing, there are even haunted houses that open the first of October or Drag Shows if anyone is interested. There will be a lot of events associated with fall and Halloween that time of the year. Just hanging out is ok also or doing something spontaneous.
>
> Planning should incorporate a flexible schedule around a common interest we all have - "things Roman."
>
> It would be a big help if we had an idea from each of you what your interests are.
>
> Just a few thoughts.
>
> Wait. One last thought. It might be quite interesting to play canasta (however that is played) while taking turns at karaoke in a Goth club and drinking wine, beer and vodka into the wee hours of the morning reciting poetry.
>
> Vale, et valete
>
> Julia
>
> Sent from somewhere in the universe
>
> On Apr 27, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> > Salvete:
> >
> > I have worked something in my head..
> >
> >
> > Gualterus, you and myself are now the Activity Directors.
> >
> > Gualterus will take care of Daytime activities (i.e Musesums, etc etc)--- you're the scholarly one and the local resident
> >
> > and I will be in charge of the Nighttime activities (pubs, theatre shows, etc etc) because from what I have been reading and such Chicago has a huge theatre scene, it's 4th largest city in the population of "goths" and I'm sure there are plenty of Coffeehouses just waiting to be tracked down for some good poetry reading.
> >
> > Each night I will also hold a game of Canasta for those who like to play, for the nightowls...
> >
> > Sulla-- I'd like you to keep researching on Hotels and Restaurants...
> >
> > Are we to be centered in the downtown area???
> >
> > Metellus has offered to be the RSVP guy when the time comes to do so...
> >
> > I know there are things I missed, so feel free to fill in the gaps, and if you want to help the Activity Directors feel free to volunteer!
> >
> > Valete,
> > Aeternia
>

Salvete!

Thank you for this post. Julia, I have always been fond of Flora, perhaps because I am so very fond of her, gifts. I find it extremely and delightfully appropriate that, on my little chest sits a lovely bouquet of purple irises and roses which were sent to me by very dear friends for my birthday.

When I lived in northern Virginia, flowers and flowering trees were everywhere. And whenever you walked down the street. It was as though you walked in Flora's bower. I miss that very much. Every spring, I yearn to go back home and walk beneath the cherry and Magnolia. By the way, I have been known to follow the scent of lilacs for several blocks. When I find them even if they are behind a fence, I always find a way to bury my face in the flowers and enjoy them to my hearts content.

In my way. I honor the goddess Flora each spring and as long as flowers bloom, I always will.

Valete,
Maria Caeca

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Ave Maria!

You have made me homesick for Long Island, what you beautifully described is spring at home! Gratias tibi!
I am thinking road trip on the east coast next spring. *smile* Ya think?
As for Lilacs, they do not do well here, and what i do find are a strange kind of French lilac with very small flowers and barely a scent. Pretty, but hey, where's the scent?
Whomever sent you those flowers have got to be the best friends a girl can have! *smile*

Vale bene amica mea,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete!
>
> Thank you for this post. Julia, I have always been fond of Flora, perhaps because I am so very fond of her, gifts. I find it extremely and delightfully appropriate that, on my little chest sits a lovely bouquet of purple irises and roses which were sent to me by very dear friends for my birthday.
>
> When I lived in northern Virginia, flowers and flowering trees were everywhere. And whenever you walked down the street. It was as though you walked in Flora's bower. I miss that very much. Every spring, I yearn to go back home and walk beneath the cherry and Magnolia. By the way, I have been known to follow the scent of lilacs for several blocks. When I find them even if they are behind a fence, I always find a way to bury my face in the flowers and enjoy them to my hearts content.
>
> In my way. I honor the goddess Flora each spring and as long as flowers bloom, I always will.
>
> Valete,
> Maria Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Ave!

This is why the jokes are left to the BA! LOL

People take things way to seriously sometimes!!!!

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:58 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete,
>
> Just a comment regarding the following statement i made about the upcoming
> conventus in case anyone is concerned:
>
>
> "Wait. One last thought. It might be quite interesting to play canasta
> (however that is played) while taking turns at karaoke in a Goth club and
> drinking wine, beer and vodka into the wee hours of the morning reciting
> poetry."
>
> Unfortunately it was taken out of context by one citizen. It appeared as an
> error to a large body of planning emails, this particular one also included
> "free time" activities. It was not meant to be serious, it was a joke tinged
> with a bit of good natured sarcasm~
>
> Valete,
>
> Julia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, LIA <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve, et salvete,
> >
> > I know we have just begun discussions regarding activity however are
> there going to be a few even remotely "Roman" activities planned. A Roman or
> Nova Roma Conventus revolves around Roman activities. Once those are
> identified than other activities are planned. I understand that is in Nova
> Roma's history and I really have no problem with a relaxed atmosphere if
> this is what everyone else wants but this should be addressed now.
> >
> > Of course seizing the opportunity to take advantage of Chicago's art and
> culture is a very Roman thing to do. Just don't want to pack too much in -
> we want to also allow plenty of time to socialize and get to know one
> another. When planning activities consideration must be given to the varied
> ages/generations, interests and fitness level. For example if some of you
> would like to go to a theme park, I would probably bow out and simply find
> something else to do.
> >
> > For night activities I might enjoy playing Spades betting loose change or
> sestertius;), maybe the ballet - I think "Dracula" might be playing, there
> are even haunted houses that open the first of October or Drag Shows if
> anyone is interested. There will be a lot of events associated with fall and
> Halloween that time of the year. Just hanging out is ok also or doing
> something spontaneous.
> >
> > Planning should incorporate a flexible schedule around a common interest
> we all have - "things Roman."
> >
> > It would be a big help if we had an idea from each of you what your
> interests are.
> >
> > Just a few thoughts.
> >
> > Wait. One last thought. It might be quite interesting to play canasta
> (however that is played) while taking turns at karaoke in a Goth club and
> drinking wine, beer and vodka into the wee hours of the morning reciting
> poetry.
> >
> > Vale, et valete
> >
> > Julia
> >
> > Sent from somewhere in the universe
> >
> > On Apr 27, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Salvete:
> > >
> > > I have worked something in my head..
> > >
> > >
> > > Gualterus, you and myself are now the Activity Directors.
> > >
> > > Gualterus will take care of Daytime activities (i.e Musesums, etc
> etc)--- you're the scholarly one and the local resident
> > >
> > > and I will be in charge of the Nighttime activities (pubs, theatre
> shows, etc etc) because from what I have been reading and such Chicago has a
> huge theatre scene, it's 4th largest city in the population of "goths" and
> I'm sure there are plenty of Coffeehouses just waiting to be tracked down
> for some good poetry reading.
> > >
> > > Each night I will also hold a game of Canasta for those who like to
> play, for the nightowls...
> > >
> > > Sulla-- I'd like you to keep researching on Hotels and Restaurants...
> > >
> > > Are we to be centered in the downtown area???
> > >
> > > Metellus has offered to be the RSVP guy when the time comes to do so...
> > >
> > > I know there are things I missed, so feel free to fill in the gaps, and
> if you want to help the Activity Directors feel free to volunteer!
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > > Aeternia
> >
>
>
>

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Salvete Omnes!

Semper Albata! Albata Victoria! Hermanus and Arienrhod will be back!

Valete Bene!

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Salve Caeca et Salvete Omnes:

The flowers sound absolutely lovely Caeca, an unusual yet pretty combination.

Io Floralia Caeca and to all the citizens of NR, enjoy it well.


Vale et Valete bene,
Aeternia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete!
>
> Thank you for this post. Julia, I have always been fond of Flora, perhaps because I am so very fond of her, gifts. I find it extremely and delightfully appropriate that, on my little chest sits a lovely bouquet of purple irises and roses which were sent to me by very dear friends for my birthday.
>
> When I lived in northern Virginia, flowers and flowering trees were everywhere. And whenever you walked down the street. It was as though you walked in Flora's bower. I miss that very much. Every spring, I yearn to go back home and walk beneath the cherry and Magnolia. By the way, I have been known to follow the scent of lilacs for several blocks. When I find them even if they are behind a fence, I always find a way to bury my face in the flowers and enjoy them to my hearts content.
>
> In my way. I honor the goddess Flora each spring and as long as flowers bloom, I always will.
>
> Valete,
> Maria Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve Crasse!
Tribune, you did a truly awesome job with these games, and, under fairly extreme pressure, you showed us all how Romans behave. The more the pressure, the more gloriously our ancestors reacted, and you carry on that tradition with great finesse and honor.

On a personal note, thank you (and all of you) for your incredible kindness and expressions of concern and support for me during a very dark and difficult time. I have great news, too. It looks as though there will not be a final surgery after all, *and* they removed that shackle of a brace from my left arm!

Vale et valete Bene!

Caeca

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Caeca Sal!

But ... (big smile) Amice Carissima! You chose that bouquet, so you *know* how lovely it is, and, soon, you shall have pictures to prove it! I'd send them here, but this list does not, wisely, I think, allow attachments. so, trust me on this, they are lovely!

Vale et valete bene!
CMC

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>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> How nice it is to address you on the ML, Caeca amica! I see your new
> software is working perfectly! Optimé!
>
>
> Salvete!
>
> Thank you for this post. Julia, I have always been fond of Flora, perhaps
> because I am so very fond of her, gifts. I find it extremely and delightfully
> appropriate that, on my little chest sits a lovely bouquet of purple irises
> and roses which were sent to me by very dear friends for my birthday.
>
> When I lived in northern Virginia, flowers and flowering trees were
> everywhere. And whenever you walked down the street. It was as though you
> walked in Flora's bower. I miss that very much.
>
> ATS: And there aren¹t any in Georgia (even before the tornados...)?
>
>
> Every spring, I yearn to go back home and walk beneath the cherry and
> Magnolia. By the way, I have been known to follow the scent of lilacs for
> several blocks. When I find them even if they are behind a fence, I always
> find a way to bury my face in the flowers and enjoy them to my hearts
> content.
>
> ATS: Mine are just budding in this unusually cold and extremely wet
> April, but the flower buds are forming. Soon they will send forth their
> beautiful perfume; perhaps a north wind may carry it to you. They don¹t keep,
> or I would send you some...but you are welcome to come and bury your face in
> my lilac patch any time.
>
> In my way. I honor the goddess Flora each spring and as long as flowers
> bloom, I always will.
>
> Valete,
> Maria Caeca
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>

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>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae C. Aemilio Crasso quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Salve Crasse!
> Tribune, you did a truly awesome job with these games, and, under fairly
> extreme pressure, you showed us all how Romans behave.
>
> ATS: Indeed he did...and in the midst of working on my final exam, too!
>
>
> The more the pressure, the more gloriously our ancestors reacted, and you
> carry on that tradition with great finesse and honor.
>
> ATS: Yes; he did a wonderful job! He stepped up to the plate and didn¹t
> whine that this was not part of his job description or run away. He is a
> Roman, and did what had to be done.
>
> On a personal note, thank you (and all of you) for your incredible kindness
> and expressions of concern and support for me during a very dark and difficult
> time.
>
> ATS: It was my (and presumably our) pleasure to cheer you in this
> extremely difficult time. We are your family, and we care deeply about you.
>
> I have great news, too. It looks as though there will not be a final surgery
> after all, *and* they removed that shackle of a brace from my left arm!
>
> ATS: Yippee! Optimé! What great news!
>
> Vale et valete Bene!
>
> Et tu, et vos!
>
> Caeca
>
> ATS
>
>
>

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Salve,

I added a gadget that translates the whole site in one click. It´s a google
translate so maybe the texts may not be correct in another language. We choose
some festivals to do activities and we write a little about cultus in Brazil;
it´s a partnership between Taura, Blandia and
me: http://cultusdeorum.blogspot.com/

=)
--
Regilla





________________________________
De: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 28 de Abril de 2011 12:55:02
Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Open gates to Nova Roma priesthood.


Iulia pont. Regillae Sicinio omnibusque in foro S.P.D

Io Floralia!

Regilla, thank you for your application and your willingness to serve! Please
feel free to contact me with any questions! You should also post the link to
your wonderful blog in the forum as well.


For those of you interested if you cannot read Spanish and use google chrome it
will automatically translate her blog into into English, it is well worth a
look.

Sicini, although you feel you are not the priestly type I am taking this
opportunity to ask you to contribute to a small project;) An undertaking really,
"Roman Prayer Project" to replace the Roman Prayers that someone
indiscriminately defiled by removing prayers, written by Ancient Romans, for all
the Deities from their prayer page. Although I have performed a piaculum, the
Gods may still be very displeased for those responsible.
So, since you asked;)(and the timing is perfect btw) if you should come across a
passage that is also, or will work, as a prayer to a specific Deity you can
either post it yourself on the Wiki or... send it to me and I will post it on
the appropriate Deity's page.
This will be a truly magnificent way to honor Mercurius, Pan, Saturn and Liber
Pater/Bacchus. I thank you personally, the CP thanks you and Nova Roma thanks
you!


Curate ut valeatis optime!

L. Iulia Aquila
Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
Pontifex Novæ Romæ
http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Ty Sponchia <muskegcorner@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> As a follower of Mercury i would like to extend a helping hand to any who need
>help researching the God of Trade. I had considered applying for a position
>myself but i am not the priestly type. I celebrate His holidays and give thanks
>before and after a deal and I must say that with His help my import business has
>survived the down turn and expanded.
>
> Please let me know how i can be of help. I have been doing research on Pan and
>Saturn as well.
>
>
> Since I am a wine maker as a hobby and for drinking i make sure to thank and
>acknowledge Liber; the Etruscan God of Harvest and wine that has become
>entangled with the upstart Greek God of Wine.
>
> Titus Sicinius Metellus
>
> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Denise D. <aemilia.regilla@...> wrote:
>
> From: Denise D. <aemilia.regilla@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Open gates to Nova Roma priesthood.
> To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com" <ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com>
> Received: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:23 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salvete,
>
>
>
> I sent my application for priesthood in pvt to T.I. Sabinus and G.C. Lentulus
>e-mails.
>
>
>
> Valete,
>
> Â
>
> --
>
> V.A. Regilla
>




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Aeternia C. Mariae Caecae sal:

Why yes I did and here I was attempting nonchalance lol, in the end a group
effort all around.

Glad you're back Caeca.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:30 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

>
>
> Caeca Sal!
>
> But ... (big smile) Amice Carissima! You chose that bouquet, so you *know*
> how lovely it is, and, soon, you shall have pictures to prove it! I'd send
> them here, but this list does not, wisely, I think, allow attachments. so,
> trust me on this, they are lovely!
>
> Vale et valete bene!
> CMC
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
voluntatis S.P.D.

> Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibus S.P.D.
>
> see my comments below deck.
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 2:13 AM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...
>> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
>> voluntatis S.P.D.
>>
>> Almost done with posting the latest grades, and am calling it a night.
>>
>
> Aeternia: Yes is past 2 a.m. here and I'm not feeling well at all, I think
> we both could use some shut eye.

ATS: And I am bleary-eyed from correcting papers and posting the grades
and corrections on our course site...and was more so at that point. There's
hope for all of us: a college freshman got a slightly higher mark than two
Latin teachers!

>
>>
>>
>>> Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibus S.P.D.
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually knew you would respond to this mishap Magistra and you are
>> very
>>> quick to assume I would cast some shadow of deception.
>>
>> ATS: Not necessarily...but one has to wonder.
>>
>
> Aeternia: Wonder what?

ATS2: Essentially, what happened to convert the BA conventus to the
all-purpose one.

>
>>
>>
>>> But I am prepared
>>> for your complaint.
>>
>> ATS: More like an inquiry.
>>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> And in light of the recent tax changes it is obvious we are in a rough
>>> economic climate and it makes no sense for citizens who cannot pay a 25$
>> tax
>>
>> ATS: I hope they haven't assessed that much on everyone.
>>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>> on average but be expected to attend two different Conventi, and when I
>> say
>>> "attend" I mean the following: Pay for airfare, pay for hotels, pay for
>>> meals, and possible transportation costs two times.
>>
>> ATS: Oh, I agree.
>>
>
> Aeternia: Exactly, we must acknowledge these are just hard times currently..

ATS2: Yes...too hard for *any* discretionary travel.

>
>
>>
>>
>>> When you complained
>>> about having citizens pay a 25$ a year tax, why do you feel the need to
>> have
>>> two different conventi when you opposed meeting Nova Roma's financial
>>> obligations.
>>
>> ATS: I don't...I just wondered!
>>
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> On a second note as for the "Lottery" idea that I came up with at the
>> very
>>> beginning of my term, I did indeed to propose to all of the Governors
>> within
>>> the North American continent and it received a very chilly reception.
>>
>> ATS: Oh? The govs don't want to get involved?
>>
>
> Aeternia: Most of them didn't seem to feel it, I take silence to be the
> answer "no".

ATS2: Sometimes it isn't; simply being busy or away or having a sick
computer.

> So I came up with a Plan B.
>
>>
>>
>>> So
>>> with those problems it makes sense to have one NA Conventi,
>>
>> ATS: One conventus...and the plural is convent�s, with a long u. It's
>> in the fourth declension, as are many useful words, such as senatus and
>> census...and I agree.
>>
>
> Aeternia: It's after 2 a.m. and I get credit for trying to do everything the
> CA is supposed to be doing :-).

ATS2: Oh, I think you're the head ludi planner, with able assistance
from Crassus!

>
>>
>>
>>> and even I must
>>> face economic constraints because I have five pets and you cannot imagine
>>> what feeding them all and making sure their needs are covered, along with
>>> paying bills on top of that.
>>
>> ATS: I expect it might be difficult to find someplace which would
>> welcome them while you travel, too...pets can be wonderful companions, but
>> they are not cheap. Not even little birdies are cost-free.
>>
>>
> Aeternia: No the children will be have a babysitter, I haven't been out of
> this state in almost two years. Pet free weekend is a welcoming prospect.

ATS2: LOL! No kitties on the laptop or dogs dining on the cell phone?
I hear Apple has a locator on those iPhones, so perhaps you can trace
yours...

>
>>>
>>> I believe we see where I'm going with this, sacrifices must be made in
>> these
>>> hard times. But I must say Scholastica I'd be delighted to meet you in
>>> person in Chicago, hearing latin from the Master herself, yes the
>> Conventus
>>> would be richer by your presence.


>>
>> ATS: Well, Chicago is one of the easier places for me to access...a
>> straight shot on the train, but my interests do not jibe with those of many
>> of your Western friends. Moreover, I have even less discretionary cash than
>> you do, and we do want to visit Caeca, somehow, somewhere, someway. She
>> can't do Chi at this point. Don't think I can...wouldn't mind seeing my
>> favorite U again, but there's too much against this.
>>
>
> Aeternia: I won't speak for Caeca,

ATS2: I hope we can get together with her. She surely cannot go that
far--even liberated from that confounded brace and the prospect of more
surgery (dis gratias!).

> but I'm willing to try and make this
> Conventus happen, I'd like to meet more NR folks, we need to focus more on
> community than the bickering and dissension.

ATS2: Many attitudes must change for that to happen. When it is open
season on anyone whose politics don't suit the more aggressive members of
the conservative faction, that bickering and dissension will continue.

> Vale Optime,
> Aeternia
>
>>>
>>> Vale Optime,
>>> Aeternia
>>

Vale optime,

Scholastica

>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:45 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <
>>> fororom@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
>>>> voluntatis
>>>>> S.P.D.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Salvete,
>>>>>
>>>>> *sighs* Bugger!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh Bloody heck, well this is a sign...
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes the Conventus will be in Chicago, we're looking at the last week of
>>>>> September - Second Week of Octoberish...
>>>>>
>>>>> ATS: Inasmuch as this has reached the ML...It was my understanding that
>>>>> the Chicago meeting was for members of the Back Alley, and that there
>>>> would be
>>>>> a lottery for the actual, non-Back Alley Conventus. Have we been
>>>> deceived?
>>>>> Some of us would prefer not to associate with certain others. I for one
>>>> do
>>>>> not share the value system of many of the BA / quondam Boni members,
>> and
>>>> would
>>>>> not seek such parties out.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a worldwide gig, everyone is invited..
>>>>>
>>>>> And I hope someone likes Canasta.
>>>>>
>>>>> More details will follow in the next few days and weeks.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's all she wrote.
>>>>>
>>>>> Valete,
>>>>> Aeternua
>>>>>
>>>>> Vale, et valete.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>> ,
>>>> Belle
>>>>
>>>>> Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Salvete,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julia does bring up a good point. I disagree that it should be
>>>> exclusively
>>>>>>> "Roman" but I believe that the Oriental Institute and the Art Museum
>>>> will
>>>>>>> accomodate our "Romanesque" (Romans loved art) are modern
>>>> interpretations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know there is a strong possibility of a Roman Re-Enactment group
>>>> located
>>>>>>> in Chicago, we can research and see what's popping what's popping
>> with
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Canasta is a strategy based card-game very similar to Gin-Rummy but
>>>> one
>>>>>>> level of degree of complexity more. I can play spades as well
>> although
>>>> I
>>>>>>> will need a refresher course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was also thinking everyone may not want to see all the sites, they
>>>> may
>>>>>>> like me be late sleepers. I don't function before 10 a.m. most of the
>>>> time
>>>>>>> I don't even eat until after 10 a.m.. I was wondering also about
>>>> malls, >>
>>>> and
>>>>>>> if the hotels will have spas, and definitely shoe stores. Maybe we
>>>> ladies
>>>>>>> can plan a nice shopping excursion I dunno just throwing the idea out
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S. Lets keep this off the ML for now because I think we are still
>>>> now
>>>>>>> debating on days and such.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Valete,
>>>>>>> Aeternia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:33 PM, LIA <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Salve, et salvete,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know we have just begun discussions regarding activity however
>>>> are >>>
>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> going to be a few even remotely "Roman" activities planned. A Roman
>>>> or
>>>>>>> Nova
>>>>>>>>> Roma Conventus revolves around Roman activities. Once those are
>>>>>>> identified
>>>>>>>>> than other activities are planned. I understand that is in Nova
>>>> Roma's
>>>>>>>>> history and I really have no problem with a relaxed atmosphere if
>>>> this
>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> what everyone else wants but this should be addressed now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course seizing the opportunity to take advantage of Chicago's
>>>> art and
>>>>>>>>> culture is a very Roman thing to do. Just don't want to pack too
>>>> much in
>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> we want to also allow plenty of time to socialize and get to know
>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> another. When planning activities consideration must be given to
>>>> the
>>>>>>> varied
>>>>>>>>> ages/generations, interests and fitness level. For example if some
>>>> of
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> would like to go to a theme park, I would probably bow out and
>>>> simply
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>> something else to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For night activities I might enjoy playing Spades betting loose
>>>> change
>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> sestertius;), maybe the ballet - I think "Dracula" might be
>>>> playing, >>>
>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> are even haunted houses that open the first of October or Drag
>>>> Shows if
>>>>>>>>> anyone is interested. There will be a lot of events associated with
>>>> fall
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Halloween that time of the year. Just hanging out is ok also or
>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>> something spontaneous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Planning should incorporate a flexible schedule around a common
>>>> interest
>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> all have - "things Roman."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would be a big help if we had an idea from each of you what your
>>>>>>>>> interests are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wait. One last thought. It might be quite interesting to play
>>>> canasta
>>>>>>>>> (however that is played) while taking turns at karaoke in a Goth
>>>> club
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> drinking wine, beer and vodka into the wee hours of the morning
>>>> reciting
>>>>>>>>> poetry.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vale, et valete
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Julia
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from somewhere in the universe
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@
>>>> ...>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Salvete:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have worked something in my head..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gualterus, you and myself are now the Activity Directors.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gualterus will take care of Daytime activities (i.e Musesums,
>>>> etc
>>>>>>>> etc)---
>>>>>>>>> you're the scholarly one and the local resident
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and I will be in charge of the Nighttime activities (pubs,
>>>> theatre
>>>>>>>> shows,
>>>>>>>>> etc etc) because from what I have been reading and such Chicago has
>>>> a
>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>>> theatre scene, it's 4th largest city in the population of "goths"
>>>> and
>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> sure there are plenty of Coffeehouses just waiting to be tracked
>>>> down
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> some good poetry reading.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Each night I will also hold a game of Canasta for those who like
>>>> to
>>>> play,
>>>>>>>>> for the nightowls...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sulla-- I'd like you to keep researching on Hotels and
>>>> Restaurants...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are we to be centered in the downtown area???
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Metellus has offered to be the RSVP guy when the time comes to
>>>> do
>>>> so...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know there are things I missed, so feel free to fill in the
>>>> gaps,
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> if you want to help the Activity Directors feel free to volunteer!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Valete,
>>>>>>>>>>> Aeternia
>>>>>>>>>

Salvete,

My last response to this thread, after this probably best to take it
privately... Floralia is going on and the stage should be passed to Pontifex
Julia Aquila and her colleagues.

<snippage for brevity sake>

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:20 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <
fororom@...> wrote:

>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> > Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibus S.P.D.
>
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 2:13 AM, A. Tullia Scholastica <
> fororom@...
> >> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
> >> voluntatis S.P.D.
> >>
> >>
>
> ATS: And I am bleary-eyed from correcting papers and posting the grades
> and corrections on our course site...and was more so at that point. There's
> hope for all of us: a college freshman got a slightly higher mark than two
> Latin teachers!
>

SCVJA: You must be proud of your chicks :-)

> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibus S.P.D.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> ATS2: Essentially, what happened to convert the BA conventus to the
> all-purpose one.
>

SCVJA: The formula has been given an explanation.

> >
> >>
> >>
>
> >
>
>
> ATS2: Sometimes it isn't; simply being busy or away or having a sick
> computer.
>
>
> SCVJA: Which I would agree to a very large extent, life happens to us
> all.. Then there are cases where even a one sentence e-mail wouldn't hurt
> either.
> >
> >
>
>
> ATS2: Oh, I think you're the head ludi planner, with able assistance
> from Crassus!
>

SCVJA: I am Mother Bee and all that it encompasses :-).

> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
> ATS2: LOL! No kitties on the laptop or dogs dining on the cell phone?
> I hear Apple has a locator on those iPhones, so perhaps you can trace
> yours...
>



> SCVJA: No my Canis is well behaved now my Feles are a different story.
> >>>
>
>
> ATS2: I hope we can get together with her. She surely cannot go that
> far--even liberated from that confounded brace and the prospect of more
> surgery (dis gratias!).
>
>

SCVJA: I will see Caeca our paths are simply destined to meet, it will
happen and when it does it will be most spiffy.

>
>
> ATS2: Many attitudes must change for that to happen. When it is open
> season on anyone whose politics don't suit the more aggressive members of
> the conservative faction, that bickering and dissension will continue.
>

SCVJA: I would humbly disagree Magistra, it has to come from both sides.
And people must take account of their own words and actions, an individual
cannot have a temper tantrum with no merit and blame the opposing faction
simply because they have a different viewpoint. People can have different
political views and still get along it happens literally all the time why
does it have to be different in NR? It's all about choice: you can choose
to pout in a corner and blame the other side and do nothing, you can choose
to make a change despite what others may think, but in the end its about the
choice the individual makes it is they who have to live with it no matter
what in the end.

And that was somehow an unintentional random soapbox moment goodness
gracious.

Valete bene,
Aeternia

>
>
>

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>
>
> Salve, Aeternia, et salvete, quirites bonae voluntatis
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> My last response to this thread, after this probably best to take it
> privately... Floralia is going on and the stage should be passed to Pontifex
> Julia Aquila and her colleagues.
>
> <snippage for brevity sake>
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:20 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <
> fororom@... <mailto:fororom%40localnet.com> > wrote:
>
>> >
>> >
>> > A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
>> > voluntatis S.P.D.
>> >
>>> > > Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibus S.P.D.
>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 2:13 AM, A. Tullia Scholastica <
>> > fororom@... <mailto:fororom%40localnet.com>
>>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
>>>> > >> voluntatis S.P.D.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>> >
>> > ATS: And I am bleary-eyed from correcting papers and posting the grades
>> > and corrections on our course site...and was more so at that point. There's
>> > hope for all of us: a college freshman got a slightly higher mark than two
>> > Latin teachers!
>> >
>
> SCVJA: You must be proud of your chicks :-)
>
> ATS3: Most students in Combined are quite good; the pace is brutal, and
> even some Latin teachers drop to the slightly slower separate Sermo I and
> Sermo II. On this exam, which I consider the worst of the four exams in
> Combined, I had four A¹s out of seven survivors. I just got an application
> for that class, too, from a Spanish speaker who is going to have to decipher
> my explanation as to why he cannot enter the class... which is on its last
> lesson, has an assignment due Sunday, and then gets to face the music if all
> of them submit the assignment. If not, they wait. I certainly don¹t want to
> remove students this late in the course, and that is the penalty for unexcused
> tardiness in Sermo.
>
>>> > >
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>> Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibus S.P.D.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>
>> > ATS2: Essentially, what happened to convert the BA conventus to the
>> > all-purpose one.
>> >
>
> SCVJA: The formula has been given an explanation.
>
> ATS3: Well, cost is an issue, but surely there must be something else.
>
>>> > >
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>> >
>>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > ATS2: Sometimes it isn't; simply being busy or away or having a sick
>> > computer.
>> >
>> >
>> > SCVJA: Which I would agree to a very large extent, life happens to us
>> > all.. Then there are cases where even a one sentence e-mail wouldn't hurt
>> > either.
>
> ATS3: No, but we didn¹t get one for the Cereales, either.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > ATS2: Oh, I think you're the head ludi planner, with able assistance
>> > from Crassus!
>> >
>
> SCVJA: I am Mother Bee and all that it encompasses :-).
>
> ATS3: LOL!
>
>>> > >
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> > ATS2: LOL! No kitties on the laptop or dogs dining on the cell phone?
>> > I hear Apple has a locator on those iPhones, so perhaps you can trace
>> > yours...
>> >
>
>> > SCVJA: No my Canis is well behaved now my Feles are a different story.
>
>
> ATS3: Well, cats have to defend their reputation.
>>>>> > >>>
>> >
>> >
>> > ATS2: I hope we can get together with her. She surely cannot go that
>> > far--even liberated from that confounded brace and the prospect of more
>> > surgery (dis gratias!).
>> >
>> >
> SCVJA: I will see Caeca our paths are simply destined to meet, it will
> happen and when it does it will be most spiffy.
>
> ATS3: I¹m sure you will someday. Julia and I were delighted to meet her
> at the last Conventus.
>
>> >
>> >
>> > ATS2: Many attitudes must change for that to happen. When it is open
>> > season on anyone whose politics don't suit the more aggressive members of
>> > the conservative faction, that bickering and dissension will continue.
>> >
>
> SCVJA: I would humbly disagree Magistra, it has to come from both sides.
>
> ATS3: True, but most stems from aggressive persons on your side. Believe
> me, I can do without certain pit bulls on the more liberal side, and am glad
> that they are gone.
>
> And people must take account of their own words and actions, an individual
> cannot have a temper tantrum with no merit and blame the opposing faction
> simply because they have a different viewpoint. People can have different
> political views and still get along it happens literally all the time why
> does it have to be different in NR?
>
> ATS3: There must be some reason, perhaps malo auspicato, as Plautus makes
> Congrio say in the Aulularia. Indeed even Rs and Ds get along in the US, but
> in NR...
>
>
> It's all about choice: you can choose
> to pout in a corner and blame the other side and do nothing, you can choose
> to make a change despite what others may think, but in the end its about the
> choice the individual makes it is they who have to live with it no matter
> what in the end.
>
> ATS3: Yes.
>
> And that was somehow an unintentional random soapbox moment goodness
> gracious.
>
> ATS3: Yes.
>
> Valete bene,
> Aeternia
>
> Vale, et valete bene,
>
> Scholastica
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>

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Q Caecilius Metellus pontifex Quiritibus sal.

Saluete, Quirites.

Surely you have seen by now the solicitation from pontifex T Iulius,
seeking applicants for various priesthoods within our organisation.
Naturally, if that was missed, the pontifex L Iulia saw it fitting to
solicit individuals again, reposting the original missive. Two
individuals have responded to the solicitation publicly; I cannot say
who has, or how many have, responded privately.

The Collegium Pontificum, for whatever reason, sees it perfectly fitting
to simply work toward the business of filling positions, as evidenced by
the posting of these solicitations, in this forum and at least one
other. It has been determined that it is of great importance to simply
fill the seats, and individuals have responded to the call that has been
made. The Collegium Pontificum seeks to put individuals into positions
of authority, real or imagined, and responsibility, positions with
duties to the Res Publica.

Titus Iulius Sabinus and Lucia Iulia Aquila have found it most
appropriate to fill open positions, both within the Collegium Pontificum
and outside of it. The responsibility attendant to these positions is
of no little magnitude. Indeed, it rests with the holders of these
positions to work toward, as I have many times said, ensuring the safety
and welfare of the Res Publica by working to maintain the Gods'
satisfaction with our organisation. But what, precisely, is one to do?

What a great question! There is no job description, for any of these
open positions. There is no set of expectations of performance. There
is not even any stated expectations of education and experience. At
present, all that exists is a job *title*, and *entitlements*. There is
nothing more than that.

Yet, there are decrees in place, subjecting the holders of these offices
to unclear, undefined, and outright unstated expectations of
performance. One is expected to perform in one's position, without even
the benefit of knowing specifically what must be performed or how.

There is an expectation, too, that the holders of these positions be
experts in the various areas of the cultus publicus. Yet, too, there
are no clear expectations laid out by the Collegium Pontificum, with
respect to the education and training these individuals must, or even
should, have, prior to being brought into a position. Indeed, our
'expert' on any given sphere of reference could, under current operating
procedure, be the single most ignorant individual on the topics at hand.

What too, as we consider all this, for the holders of the priesthood?
Surely they cannot be expected to finance all their works, as servants
of the Res Publica. Nevertheless, they most certainly must, in our
current situation, as our currently approved tax rate can not be
expected to do anything toward helping with that enterprise: it cannot
even be expected to pay even the most minimal of our current operating
expenses. But I digress....

The current situation is such that individuals are brought into
positions, left to fly blindly in the dark. They are expected to
perform duties, without any duties being defined. They are expected to
be experts, without any declaration of how they are to be so. They are
expected to fulfil responsibilities, without any stated
responsibilities. At the end, they are evaluated on their performance,
without any guidance on how or what they were to have performed.

This, Quirites, is the situation into which Titus Iulius Sabinus, the
chosen pontifex maximus, and Lucia Iulia Aquila, recently co-opted
pontifex, wish to bring you. These are the kinds of experts these two
wish to provide you. This is how the cultus publicus is to continue.

All this, though, is neverminding the list provided in the
solicitations. As it were, that list which has been so graciously
provided, is in itself either erroneous or incomplete, howsoever you
prefer. There are a number of "lesser priesthoods" listed, yet those
are only positions which have been held by individuals in the past.
Surely the extensive experience of these pontifices would grant them the
history of that list, one which only listed the deities currently having
a sacerdos in service; as noted originally atop that list, "Please note
that since there are many Gods and Goddesses from the Roman World, all
the possible Sacerdos Priesthood positions cannot be listed here." As
it were, in the past, listings were removed when there was no current
sacerdos, which has not been the case in the recent past. But my time
and experience in Nova Roma, and the same as a pontifex, perhaps grant
me greater, well, education and experience, to know how this
authoritative list came into being.

How does one build a house without blueprints? And pity be upon the
architect, who builds the house, and is told in the end, that it is not
up to the desires of the purchaser.

Salvete Omnes!

I just wanted to say that currently, my plans are to attend conventus in Chicago. This, of course, depends on my continued recovery, which I fully expect. Since the conventus is in October, I should have time to regain most of my health and I look forward to having a wonderful time.

Keep in mind that planning is in the early stages, and right now we are throwing out ideas in the same way, certain fine Italian cooks throw pasta against the wall to see if it's done. Some stick, some don't, but this is the nature of brainstorming. I fully expect that by the time we all gather in Chicago, we will have a great program with everything that we want, lots of free time, and a plan of campaign to explore the city!

Valete Bene,
C. Maria Caeca

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Salve Aquila,
What!! Who ever took our Roman prayers should put them back.


Please respect our freedom of religion, and recognize that a prayer to Apollo and Mars is just at valid as a prayer to Jesus, Mary, or Saint Joseph. Why?! Because behind each of these entities is a soul.

 
Anyone; everyone, Pater Mars: please help us Nova Roma restore our Roman prayers and heritage.

Sincerely,
Ti. Marci Quadra


________________________________
From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Prayer Project - Just a few moments of your time si placet..


 
Iulia Pontifex Quiritibus S.P.D.

Not all of you are aware that someone indiscriminately defiled the prayer pages of our Roman Gods by removing the prayers to them that were written by ancient authors.
I was, and am, appalled by this act of vandalism against the Gods and the dignity of the ancient Roman authors.
I have performed a piaculum, but the Gods may still be very displeased at those responsible. I leave those consequences to the Gods, it is not worth my time to find out who committed such an act or to seek retribution for our Gods I would rather expend my energy in the positive actions of rebuilding these pages thereby honoring our Gods in the best possible way.

I ask all Novi Romani to help out, si placet, just a few moments of your time; if everyone does just a little we will rebuild these pages!

Many of you occasionally come across a Roman prayer while reading a passage from ancient Roman authors or even while surfing the internet. I humbly ask that should you come across such a passage from "literary and epigraphic sources" that you post it on the Nova Roma wiki under the appropriate God/dess here:
http://novaroma.org/nr/Prayers
Or send it to me and I will post it on the appropriate Deity's page.
If able it would be great to post the prayer in both English *and* Latin - but please do not allow this to keep you from posting the prayer. Maybe those who have Latin or Latin resources can help in this respect.

Please contribute to this small project, which is not an "official" project of NR or the CP, but a project of the people, of you, the citizens for our Gods and the Respublica!

There is no time limit, no pressure, no committees to join - just do what you can when you can, even if it is a one-line prayer.

Si placet.

Please help honor the Gods and the Respublica!

Gratias, I appreciate your time and attention

Curate ut valeatis optime!

L. Iulia Aquila
Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
Pontifex Novæ Romæ
http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/




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SALVETE!

Just to remind to anyone (including the one who was on leave at that time and voted by proxy) that the current call for minor priesthood positions is the first step of what the CP approved as Item III:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/message/277

VALETE,
Sabinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Q Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@...> wrote:
>
> Q Caecilius Metellus pontifex Quiritibus sal.
>
> Saluete, Quirites.
>
> Surely you have seen by now the solicitation from pontifex T Iulius,
> seeking applicants for various priesthoods within our organisation.
> Naturally, if that was missed, the pontifex L Iulia saw it fitting to
> solicit individuals again, reposting the original missive. Two
> individuals have responded to the solicitation publicly; I cannot say
> who has, or how many have, responded privately.
>
> The Collegium Pontificum, for whatever reason, sees it perfectly fitting
> to simply work toward the business of filling positions, as evidenced by
> the posting of these solicitations, in this forum and at least one
> other. It has been determined that it is of great importance to simply
> fill the seats, and individuals have responded to the call that has been
> made. The Collegium Pontificum seeks to put individuals into positions
> of authority, real or imagined, and responsibility, positions with
> duties to the Res Publica.
>
> Titus Iulius Sabinus and Lucia Iulia Aquila have found it most
> appropriate to fill open positions, both within the Collegium Pontificum
> and outside of it. The responsibility attendant to these positions is
> of no little magnitude. Indeed, it rests with the holders of these
> positions to work toward, as I have many times said, ensuring the safety
> and welfare of the Res Publica by working to maintain the Gods'
> satisfaction with our organisation. But what, precisely, is one to do?
>
> What a great question! There is no job description, for any of these
> open positions. There is no set of expectations of performance. There
> is not even any stated expectations of education and experience. At
> present, all that exists is a job *title*, and *entitlements*. There is
> nothing more than that.
>
> Yet, there are decrees in place, subjecting the holders of these offices
> to unclear, undefined, and outright unstated expectations of
> performance. One is expected to perform in one's position, without even
> the benefit of knowing specifically what must be performed or how.
>
> There is an expectation, too, that the holders of these positions be
> experts in the various areas of the cultus publicus. Yet, too, there
> are no clear expectations laid out by the Collegium Pontificum, with
> respect to the education and training these individuals must, or even
> should, have, prior to being brought into a position. Indeed, our
> 'expert' on any given sphere of reference could, under current operating
> procedure, be the single most ignorant individual on the topics at hand.
>
> What too, as we consider all this, for the holders of the priesthood?
> Surely they cannot be expected to finance all their works, as servants
> of the Res Publica. Nevertheless, they most certainly must, in our
> current situation, as our currently approved tax rate can not be
> expected to do anything toward helping with that enterprise: it cannot
> even be expected to pay even the most minimal of our current operating
> expenses. But I digress....
>
> The current situation is such that individuals are brought into
> positions, left to fly blindly in the dark. They are expected to
> perform duties, without any duties being defined. They are expected to
> be experts, without any declaration of how they are to be so. They are
> expected to fulfil responsibilities, without any stated
> responsibilities. At the end, they are evaluated on their performance,
> without any guidance on how or what they were to have performed.
>
> This, Quirites, is the situation into which Titus Iulius Sabinus, the
> chosen pontifex maximus, and Lucia Iulia Aquila, recently co-opted
> pontifex, wish to bring you. These are the kinds of experts these two
> wish to provide you. This is how the cultus publicus is to continue.
>
> All this, though, is neverminding the list provided in the
> solicitations. As it were, that list which has been so graciously
> provided, is in itself either erroneous or incomplete, howsoever you
> prefer. There are a number of "lesser priesthoods" listed, yet those
> are only positions which have been held by individuals in the past.
> Surely the extensive experience of these pontifices would grant them the
> history of that list, one which only listed the deities currently having
> a sacerdos in service; as noted originally atop that list, "Please note
> that since there are many Gods and Goddesses from the Roman World, all
> the possible Sacerdos Priesthood positions cannot be listed here." As
> it were, in the past, listings were removed when there was no current
> sacerdos, which has not been the case in the recent past. But my time
> and experience in Nova Roma, and the same as a pontifex, perhaps grant
> me greater, well, education and experience, to know how this
> authoritative list came into being.
>
> How does one build a house without blueprints? And pity be upon the
> architect, who builds the house, and is told in the end, that it is not
> up to the desires of the purchaser.
>

C. Maria Caeca Sal!

I have always said that I will be happy to help celebrate anybody's holidays, religious or secular, especially if they involve good food and merriment. I still say that, particularly for those holidays involving dancing and cool ale!

Valete Bene!

Caeca

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Iulia Caecilio omnibusque S.P.D.

>It has been determined that it is of great importance to simply
>fill the seats,

There is no "simply" about it. As Pontifex it is a duty to not just talk about a program, but to be proactive and teach, to mentor, for real (as opposed to imagine)those Sacerdotes in need of instruction as I had been doing for our Vestal complete with a lesson, reading material and a weekly meeting to discuss said lesson and reading material - and this shall resume when she is ready. In addition any student of mine will know that I am available as needed.
Pontifex Maximus Sabinus is aware of this endeavor.

I learned initially through mentorship and study and have continued my studies throughout the decades, and continue to this day - this was how the priesthoods taught in ancient times - we have no written programs of priesthood for the religio. They may not have existed or may not have survived, regardless they do not exist for us at this moment. This methodical training occurs within the Vedic and Yahwist religions mainly because they have several specific religious texts - even at that those religions were well developed before actual ritual actions were written down. Look it up. We do not have that resource.

I am proud to say I still have mentors every now and again and there is always something new for me to learn. Education in the Religio is should be ongoing which contributes to a competent Sacerdos, Flamine and Pontifex.

It is a dignified and wise action to bring this up within the CP rather than post a rant on the ML about something you, yourself, should take the initiative to offer the services of your knowledge to a Camillii who needs such mentorship. An instruction project was mentioned in the CP and an effort was made to get the CP to begin work on the education of Camillii and Sacerdotes - with no response from you to lend a hand. A fairly comprehensive outline, an encyclopedia as Pontifex Petronius called it, was presented, that also served as rough guideline for teaching Camillii and Sacerdotes - but not a word or suggestion from you. It is in the files and ready to be built upon.
So I must ask, since you have not had the benefit of a training program does this mean you are not qualified to be Pontifex?
Certainly not say I.

The time and energy it took to write this rant you could have created a basic outline for one lesson for aspiring Sacerdotes.

In short I am a Pontifex of action who can lay aside her pointy hat and walk amongst the citizens and offer a hand in public or in privatum. I have spoken to those interested, which includes one of the applicants, even on facebook. Rather than simply write missives, I do the actual work, online with the citizens, as well as offline with living breathing cultores. I know Pontifex Sabinus to be this sort of Pontifex as well.

Simul triumphamus, Pontifex Metelle. Are you ready to begin the work Pontifex Metelle?

I also know one of the applicants to be a studious cultore who has been practicing the religio for some time and has a wonderful blog.
I walk the walk Pontifex Metelle, do you? Until now I have not felt the need to paste "what I do" all over Nova Roma because it is a duty and should be expected, but I do so now in answer to your missive.
When was the last time you performed a ritual in honor of the Gods to benefit the public?
My last time was April 28th to Flora at my outdoor sacullum, on April 1st the Veneralia ritual was done at the area and lagoon consecrated to Venus. (To name two as April is a very busy month) Every morning a ritual is offered to Venus.

Quirites, I offer the hand of mentorship to any new Camilla/us or any co-opted Sacerdos so he or she can contribute to ensuring the safety
and welfare of our Res Publica by working to maintain the Gods'
satisfaction with our organization.

Bene valete in pacem deorum

L. Iulia Aquila
Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
Pontifex Novæ Romæ
http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/

Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVETE!
>
> Just to remind to anyone (including the one who was on leave at that time and voted by proxy) that the current call for minor priesthood positions is the first step of what the CP approved as Item III:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/message/277
>
> VALETE,
> Sabinus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Q Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@> wrote:
> >
> > Q Caecilius Metellus pontifex Quiritibus sal.
> >
> > Saluete, Quirites.
> >
> > Surely you have seen by now the solicitation from pontifex T Iulius,
> > seeking applicants for various priesthoods within our organisation.
> > Naturally, if that was missed, the pontifex L Iulia saw it fitting to
> > solicit individuals again, reposting the original missive. Two
> > individuals have responded to the solicitation publicly; I cannot say
> > who has, or how many have, responded privately.
> >
> > The Collegium Pontificum, for whatever reason, sees it perfectly fitting
> > to simply work toward the business of filling positions, as evidenced by
> > the posting of these solicitations, in this forum and at least one
> > other. It has been determined that it is of great importance to simply
> > fill the seats, and individuals have responded to the call that has been
> > made. The Collegium Pontificum seeks to put individuals into positions
> > of authority, real or imagined, and responsibility, positions with
> > duties to the Res Publica.
> >
> > Titus Iulius Sabinus and Lucia Iulia Aquila have found it most
> > appropriate to fill open positions, both within the Collegium Pontificum
> > and outside of it. The responsibility attendant to these positions is
> > of no little magnitude. Indeed, it rests with the holders of these
> > positions to work toward, as I have many times said, But what, precisely, is one to do?
> >
> > What a great question! There is no job description, for any of these
> > open positions. There is no set of expectations of performance. There
> > is not even any stated expectations of education and experience. At
> > present, all that exists is a job *title*, and *entitlements*. There is
> > nothing more than that.
> >
> > Yet, there are decrees in place, subjecting the holders of these offices
> > to unclear, undefined, and outright unstated expectations of
> > performance. One is expected to perform in one's position, without even
> > the benefit of knowing specifically what must be performed or how.
> >
> > There is an expectation, too, that the holders of these positions be
> > experts in the various areas of the cultus publicus. Yet, too, there
> > are no clear expectations laid out by the Collegium Pontificum, with
> > respect to the education and training these individuals must, or even
> > should, have, prior to being brought into a position. Indeed, our
> > 'expert' on any given sphere of reference could, under current operating
> > procedure, be the single most ignorant individual on the topics at hand.
> >
> > What too, as we consider all this, for the holders of the priesthood?
> > Surely they cannot be expected to finance all their works, as servants
> > of the Res Publica. Nevertheless, they most certainly must, in our
> > current situation, as our currently approved tax rate can not be
> > expected to do anything toward helping with that enterprise: it cannot
> > even be expected to pay even the most minimal of our current operating
> > expenses. But I digress....
> >
> > The current situation is such that individuals are brought into
> > positions, left to fly blindly in the dark. They are expected to
> > perform duties, without any duties being defined. They are expected to
> > be experts, without any declaration of how they are to be so. They are
> > expected to fulfil responsibilities, without any stated
> > responsibilities. At the end, they are evaluated on their performance,
> > without any guidance on how or what they were to have performed.
> >
> > This, Quirites, is the situation into which Titus Iulius Sabinus, the
> > chosen pontifex maximus, and Lucia Iulia Aquila, recently co-opted
> > pontifex, wish to bring you. These are the kinds of experts these two
> > wish to provide you. This is how the cultus publicus is to continue.
> >
> > All this, though, is neverminding the list provided in the
> > solicitations. As it were, that list which has been so graciously
> > provided, is in itself either erroneous or incomplete, howsoever you
> > prefer. There are a number of "lesser priesthoods" listed, yet those
> > are only positions which have been held by individuals in the past.
> > Surely the extensive experience of these pontifices would grant them the
> > history of that list, one which only listed the deities currently having
> > a sacerdos in service; as noted originally atop that list, "Please note
> > that since there are many Gods and Goddesses from the Roman World, all
> > the possible Sacerdos Priesthood positions cannot be listed here." As
> > it were, in the past, listings were removed when there was no current
> > sacerdos, which has not been the case in the recent past. But my time
> > and experience in Nova Roma, and the same as a pontifex, perhaps grant
> > me greater, well, education and experience, to know how this
> > authoritative list came into being.
> >
> > How does one build a house without blueprints? And pity be upon the
> > architect, who builds the house, and is told in the end, that it is not
> > up to the desires of the purchaser.
> >
>

Ave Marce,

Thank you!

The removal of the prayers had nothing to do with freedom of religion, I can say with confidence this was not the work of a peregrine cultus.

However Good News! I have had wonderful response and with the contributions of citizen Scriptrix and Vestal Caeca we are in the beginning stages of restoring these pages. In some cases we will still need the Latin. And of course we still want all cives to participate and either post to the wiki themselves or send me the prayer so I can do so if they feel unsure about posting to the wiki.
Also the "contest" will continue until May 3rd.

Optime valete in pace Veneris,

L. Iulia Aquila
Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
Pontifex Novæ Romæ
http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/

Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Aquila,
> What!! Who ever took our Roman prayers should put them back.
>
>
> Please respect our freedom of religion, and recognize that a prayer to Apollo and Mars is just at valid as a prayer to Jesus, Mary, or Saint Joseph. Why?! Because behind each of these entities is a soul.
>
>  
> Anyone; everyone, Pater Mars: please help us Nova Roma restore our Roman prayers and heritage.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ti. Marci Quadra
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 2:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Prayer Project - Just a few moments of your time si placet..
>
>
>  
> Iulia Pontifex Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> Not all of you are aware that someone indiscriminately defiled the prayer pages of our Roman Gods by removing the prayers to them that were written by ancient authors.
> I was, and am, appalled by this act of vandalism against the Gods and the dignity of the ancient Roman authors.
> I have performed a piaculum, but the Gods may still be very displeased at those responsible. I leave those consequences to the Gods, it is not worth my time to find out who committed such an act or to seek retribution for our Gods I would rather expend my energy in the positive actions of rebuilding these pages thereby honoring our Gods in the best possible way.
>
> I ask all Novi Romani to help out, si placet, just a few moments of your time; if everyone does just a little we will rebuild these pages!
>
> Many of you occasionally come across a Roman prayer while reading a passage from ancient Roman authors or even while surfing the internet. I humbly ask that should you come across such a passage from "literary and epigraphic sources" that you post it on the Nova Roma wiki under the appropriate God/dess here:
> http://novaroma.org/nr/Prayers
> Or send it to me and I will post it on the appropriate Deity's page.
> If able it would be great to post the prayer in both English *and* Latin - but please do not allow this to keep you from posting the prayer. Maybe those who have Latin or Latin resources can help in this respect.
>
> Please contribute to this small project, which is not an "official" project of NR or the CP, but a project of the people, of you, the citizens for our Gods and the Respublica!
>
> There is no time limit, no pressure, no committees to join - just do what you can when you can, even if it is a one-line prayer.
>
> Si placet.
>
> Please help honor the Gods and the Respublica!
>
> Gratias, I appreciate your time and attention
>
> Curate ut valeatis optime!
>
> L. Iulia Aquila
> Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
> Pontifex Novæ Romæ
> http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Ave Maria Caeca!

> I have always said that I will be happy to help celebrate anybody's holidays, religious or secular, especially if they involve good food and merriment. I still say that, particularly for those holidays involving dancing and cool ale!

And pomegranate vodka....*smile*

Vale bene,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> C. Maria Caeca Sal!
>
> I have always said that I will be happy to help celebrate anybody's holidays, religious or secular, especially if they involve good food and merriment. I still say that, particularly for those holidays involving dancing and cool ale!
>
> Valete Bene!
>
> Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve Maria

To celebrate your return, I certainly raised a glass of cool, best Kentish ale in your honour.

Vale bene
Crispus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> C. Maria Caeca Sal!
>
> I have always said that I will be happy to help celebrate anybody's holidays, religious or secular, especially if they involve good food and merriment. I still say that, particularly for those holidays involving dancing and cool ale!
>
> Valete Bene!
>
> Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve Amelia!

This is wonderful! A beautiful page!
When next I get a chance I may ask you to help me add that to the Aedes Venus blog as well!

Vale bene in pacem deorum

Julia
Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus
http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Denise D." <aemilia.regilla@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> I added a gadget that translates the whole site in one click. It´s a google
> translate so maybe the texts may not be correct in another language. We choose
> some festivals to do activities and we write a little about cultus in Brazil;
> it´s a partnership between Taura, Blandia and
> me: http://cultusdeorum.blogspot.com/
>
> =)
> --
> Regilla
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> De: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 28 de Abril de 2011 12:55:02
> Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Open gates to Nova Roma priesthood.
>
>
> Iulia pont. Regillae Sicinio omnibusque in foro S.P.D
>
> Io Floralia!
>
> Regilla, thank you for your application and your willingness to serve! Please
> feel free to contact me with any questions! You should also post the link to
> your wonderful blog in the forum as well.
>
>
> For those of you interested if you cannot read Spanish and use google chrome it
> will automatically translate her blog into into English, it is well worth a
> look.
>
> Sicini, although you feel you are not the priestly type I am taking this
> opportunity to ask you to contribute to a small project;) An undertaking really,
> "Roman Prayer Project" to replace the Roman Prayers that someone
> indiscriminately defiled by removing prayers, written by Ancient Romans, for all
> the Deities from their prayer page. Although I have performed a piaculum, the
> Gods may still be very displeased for those responsible.
> So, since you asked;)(and the timing is perfect btw) if you should come across a
> passage that is also, or will work, as a prayer to a specific Deity you can
> either post it yourself on the Wiki or... send it to me and I will post it on
> the appropriate Deity's page.
> This will be a truly magnificent way to honor Mercurius, Pan, Saturn and Liber
> Pater/Bacchus. I thank you personally, the CP thanks you and Nova Roma thanks
> you!
>
>
> Curate ut valeatis optime!
>
> L. Iulia Aquila
> Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
> Pontifex Novæ Romæ
> http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Ty Sponchia <muskegcorner@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > As a follower of Mercury i would like to extend a helping hand to any who need
> >help researching the God of Trade. I had considered applying for a position
> >myself but i am not the priestly type. I celebrate His holidays and give thanks
> >before and after a deal and I must say that with His help my import business has
> >survived the down turn and expanded.
> >
> > Please let me know how i can be of help. I have been doing research on Pan and
> >Saturn as well.
> >
> >
> > Since I am a wine maker as a hobby and for drinking i make sure to thank and
> >acknowledge Liber; the Etruscan God of Harvest and wine that has become
> >entangled with the upstart Greek God of Wine.
> >
> > Titus Sicinius Metellus
> >
> > --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Denise D. <aemilia.regilla@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Denise D. <aemilia.regilla@>
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Open gates to Nova Roma priesthood.
> > To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: "ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com" <ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com>
> > Received: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:23 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> >
> >
> > I sent my application for priesthood in pvt to T.I. Sabinus and G.C. Lentulus
> >e-mails.
> >
> >
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Â
> >
> > --
> >
> > V.A. Regilla
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Caeca Sal!

Excuse me, but the issue of pomegranate vodka is supposed to be sub Rosa! let us not get off track! (Big smile)

Vale Bene!

C.

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Salve Crispe, et salvete omnes!

I hope that all of you are willing to bear with me while I practiced using my magic software. (Smile). The best way to learn how to use it is to practice, so I am!

Chrispe, and you did not share? We will have to discuss this! (Smile)

Come to Chicago, and you will have an opportunity to redeem your self. (big smile)

Vale et valete bene,
Caeca

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sal yourself, Caeca. Edepol, it is good to have you back!



Vale bene,

LAM



_____

From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of C.Maria Caeca
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 11:36 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: St. George's Day





Caeca Sal!

Excuse me, but the issue of pomegranate vodka is supposed to be sub Rosa!
let us not get off track! (Big smile)

Vale Bene!

C.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem III Kalendas Maias; haec dies comitialis est.

"And in truth, it is generally agreed that a marvellous good Fortune
guided the reign of Numa which endured for so many years. For the
tale that a certain Egeria, a dryad and a wise divinity, consorted in
love with the man, and helped him in instituting and shaping the
government of his State, is perhaps somewhat fabulous. For other
mortals who are said to have attained divine marriages and to have
been beloved of goddesses, men like Peleus and Anchises, Orion and
Emathion, by no means lived through their lives in a satisfactory, or
even painless, manner. On the contrary, it appears likely that Numa
had Good Fortune as his true wife, counsellor, and colleague; and she
took the city in charge when it was being carried hither and yon amid
the enmity and fierceness of bordering tribes and neighbours, as in
the midst of turbulent billows of a troubled sea and was inflamed by
countless struggles and dissensions; and she calmed those opposing
passions and jealousies as though they had been but gusts of wind.
Even as they relate that the sea, when it has received the brood of
halcyons in the stormy season, keeps them safe and assists in their
nurture, even such a calm in the affairs of Rome, free from war or
pestilence or danger or terror, Fortune caused to overspread and
surround the city, and thus afforded the opportunity to a newly
settled and sorely shaken people to take root and to establish their
city on a firm foundation where it might grow in quiet, securely and
unhindered. It is as with a merchantman or a trireme, which is
constructed by blows and with great violence, and is buffeted by
hammers and nails, bolts and saws and axes, and, when it is completed,
it must remain at rest and grow firm for a suitable period of time
until its bonds hold tight and its fastenings have acquired affinity;
but if it be launched while its joinings are still damp and slippery,
these will all be loosened when they are racked by the waves, and will
admit the sea. Even so the first ruler and artificer of Rome, in
organizing the city from rustics and shepherds, as though building up
from a stout keel, took upon himself no few labours, nor of slight
moment were the wars and dangers that he withstood in warding off, of
necessity, those who opposed the creation and foundation of Rome.

But he who was the second to take over the State gained time by good
fortune to consolidate and make assured the enlargement of Rome; for
much peace did he secure for her and much quiet. But if at that time
a Porsenna had pressed hard upon the city and had erected an Etruscan
stockade and a camp beside the new walls which were still moist and
unstable, or if from the Marsi had come some rebellious chief filled
with warlike frenzy, or some Lucanian, incited by envy and love of
strife, a man contentious and warlike, as later was Mutilus or the
bold Silo or Sulla's last antagonist, Telesinus, arming all Italy at
any time one preconcerted signal, as it were â€" if one of these had
sounded his trumpets round about Numa, the lover of wisdom, while he
was sacrificing and praying, the early beginnings of the City would
not have been able to hold out against such a mighty surge and billow,
nor would they ever have increased to such a goodly and numerous
people. But as it is, it seems likely that the peace of Numa's reign
was a provision to equip them for their subsequent wars, and that the
people, like an athlete, having, during a period of forty-three years
following the contests of Romulus's time, trained themselves in quiet
and made their strength staunch enough to cope in battle with those
who later arrayed themselves against them. For they relate that no
famine nor pestilence nor failure of crops nor any unseasonable
occurrence in either summer or winter vexed Rome during that time, as
if it were not a wise human counsel, but divine Fortune that was
Rome's guardian during those crucial days. Therefore at that time the
double door of Janus's temple was shut, which the Romans call the
Portal of War; for it is open when there is war, but closed when peace
has been made. But after Numa died it was opened, since the war with
the Albans had broken out. Then countless of the wars followed in
continuous succession until again, after four hundred and eighty
years, it was closed in the peace following the Punic War, when Gaius
Atilius and Titus Manlius were consuls. After this year it was again
opened and the wars continued until Caesar's victory at Actium. Then
the arms of Rome were idle for a time, but not for long; for the
tumults caused by the Cantabri and Gaul, breaking forth at the same
time with the Germans, disturbed the peace. These facts are added to
the record as proofs of Numa's good fortune." - Plutarch, "On the
Fortune of The Romans" 8

"In this connexion an important figure in the grove was the water-
nymph Egeria, who was worshipped by pregnant women because she, like
Diana, could grant them an easy delivery. From this it seems fairly
safe to conclude that, like many other springs, the water of Egeria
was credited with a power of facilitating conception as well as
delivery. The votive offerings found on the spot, which clearly refer
to the begetting of children, may possibly have been dedicated to
Egeria rather than to Diana, or perhaps we should rather say that the
water-nymph Egeria is only another form of the great nature-goddess
Diana herself, the mistress of sounding rivers as well as of
umbrageous woods, who had her home by the lake and her mirror in its
calm waters, and whose Greek counterpart Artemis loved to haunt meres
and springs. The identification of Egeria with Diana is confirmed by a
statement of Plutarch that Egeria was one of the oak-nymphs whom the
Romans believed to preside over every green oak-grove; for, while
Diana was a goddess of the woodlands in general, she appears to have
been intimately associated with oaks in particular, especially at her
sacred grove of Nemi. Perhaps, then, Egeria was the fairy of a spring
that flowed from the roots of a sacred oak. Such a spring is said to
have gushed from the foot of the great oak at Dodona, and from its
murmurous flow the priestess drew oracles. Among the Greeks a draught
of water from certain sacred springs or wells was supposed to confer
prophetic powers. This would explain the more than mortal wisdom with
which, according to tradition, Egeria inspired her royal husband or
lover Numa. When we remember how very often in early society the king
is held responsible for the fall of rain and the fruitfulness of the
earth, it seems hardly rash to conjecture that in the legend of the
nuptials of Numa and Egeria we have a reminiscence of a sacred
marriage which the old Roman kings regularly contracted with a goddess
of vegetation and water for the purpose of enabling him to discharge
his divine or magical functions. In such a rite the part of the
goddess might be played either by an image or a woman, and if by a
woman, probably by the Queen. If there is any truth in this
conjecture, we may suppose that the King and Queen of Rome masqueraded
as god and goddess at their marriage, exactly as the King and Queen of
Egypt appear to have done. The legend of Numa and Egeria points to a
sacred grove rather than to a house as the scene of the nuptial union,
which, like the marriage of the King and Queen of May, or of the vine-
god and the Queen of Athens, may have been annually celebrated as a
charm to ensure the fertility not only of the earth but of man and
beast." - Sir James Frazer, "The Golden Bough" 13.1

"After forming treaties of alliance with all his neighbours and
closing the temple of Janus, Numa turned his attention to domestic
matters. The removal of all danger from without would induce his
subjects to luxuriate in idleness, as they would be no longer
restrained by the fear of an enemy or by military discipline. To
prevent this, he strove to inculcate in their minds the fear of the
gods, regarding this as the most powerful influence which could act
upon an uncivilised and, in those ages, a barbarous people. But, as
this would fail to make a deep impression without some claim to
supernatural wisdom, he pretended that he had nocturnal interviews
with the nymph Egeria: that it was on her advice that he was
instituting the ritual most acceptable to the gods and appointing for
each deity his own special priests. First of all he divided the year
into twelve months, corresponding to the moon's revolutions. But as
the moon does not complete thirty days in each month, and so there are
fewer days in the lunar year than in that measured by the course of
the sun, he interpolated intercalary months and so arranged them that
every twentieth year the days should coincide with the same position
of the sun as when they started, the whole twenty years being thus
complete. He also established a distinction between the days on which
legal business could be transacted and those on which it could not,
because it would sometimes be advisable that there should be no
business transacted with the people." - Livy, History of Rome 1.19

"By this name the Latins designated the Muses, but included under it
also some other deities, principally nymphs of fountains. Egeria was
one of them, whose fountain and grotto are still shown. It was said
that Numa, the second king of Rome, was favored by this nymph with
secret interviews, in which she taught him those lessons of wisdom and
of law which he imbodied in the institutions of his rising nation.
After the death of Numa the nymph pined away and was changed into a
fountain." - Thomas Bullfinch, Mythology XXII.e

"Here didst thou dwell, in this enchanted cover,
Egeria! all thy heavenly bosom beating
For the far footsteps of thy mortal lover;
The purple midnight veiled that mystic meeting
With her most starry canopy." - Lord Byron, "Childe Harold" IV

"Holding one hand against his ear,
To list a footfall ere he saw
The wood-nymph, stayed the Tuscan king to hear
Of wisdom and of law." - Alfred, Lord Tennyson, "The Palace of Art"

"When Aurora's left Tithonus, kin to Phrygian Assaracus,
And raised her light three times in the vast heavens,
A goddess comes framed in a thousand varied garlands
Of flowers: and the stage has freer license for mirth.
The rites of Flora also stretch to the Kalends of May:
Then I'll speak again, now a greater task is needed.
Vesta, bear the day onwards! Vesta�s been received,
At her kinsman's threshold: so the Senators justly decreed.
Phoebus takes part of the space there: a further part remains
For Vesta, and the third part that's left, Caesar occupies.
Long live the laurels of the Palatine: long live that house
Decked with branches of oak: one place holds three eternal gods." -
Ovid, Fasti IV

Today is the first day of the Floralia. The Floralia festival began
in Rome in 238 B.C., to please the goddess Flora into protecting the
blossoms. The Floralia fell out of favor and was discontinued until
173 B.C., when the senate, concerned with wind, hail, and other damage
to the flowers, ordered Flora's celebration reinstated as the Ludi
Florales. The Ludi Florales included theatrical events, including
mimes, naked actresses and prostitutes. In the Renaissance, some
writers thought that Flora had been a human prostitute who was turned
into a goddess, possibly because of the licentiousness of the Ludi
Florales or because, according to David Lupher, Flora was a common
name for prostitutes in ancient Rome.

The celebration in honor of Flora included floral wreaths worn in the
hair much like modern participants in May Day celebrations. After the
theatrical performances, the celebration continued in the Circus
Maximus, where animals were set free and beans scattered to insure
fertility. Although the ancient Roman holiday of Floralia began in
April, it was really an ancient May Day celebration. Flora, the Roman
goddess in whose honor the festival was held, was a goddess of
flowers, which generally begin to bloom in the spring. The holiday for
Flora (as officially determined by Julius Caesar when he fixed the
Roman calendar) ran from April 29 to May 3.

Valete bene!

Cato

Salve et salvete!

You have no idea how wonderful it is to be snuggled in the midst of my nova Roman family! I had felt over the last couple of months, as though I had been in a dark, difficult, and usually unpleasant exile. It is so good to be back home!

Vale et valete!

Caeca

Gratias tibi ago, Lyn!

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Salve Caeca, et salvete omnes

I am, and I am certain all of us are thrilled by the success you are having, both with the new software and generally. I had expected the software would struggle to cope with Roman ways, and that you would have to find lots of work-arounds. But, even if you are having to invent ways round, you are doing it so brilliantly that we will all be delighted for you.

You might not like ale - although perhaps we can work on that at some future time) but as a pomegranate (which I call grenadine) drinker myself, you need to give me the recipe for pomegranate vodka. How many parts of each?

Lets see how the conventus plans shape up - if not this year then soon.

Vale, et valete omnes
Crispus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Crispe, et salvete omnes!
>
> I hope that all of you are willing to bear with me while I practiced using my magic software. (Smile). The best way to learn how to use it is to practice, so I am!
>
> Chrispe, and you did not share? We will have to discuss this! (Smile)
>
> Come to Chicago, and you will have an opportunity to redeem your self. (big smile)
>
> Vale et valete bene,
> Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve Crispe et salvete omnes!

Oh, I have not even begun to teach Dragon to speak Latin. Yet! I need to become more familiar with the inner workings of the software before I make that attempt. What I am doing is writing in the Latin phrases, which is why they are so short and to the point (smile). As to pomegranate vodka,, I buy it in a store! I am not a Brewer, or a distiller.

Actually, I have tasted some ale that I like, including Guinness. But I am certainly willing to experiment (smile) . All in the interests of science, naturally.

Vale et valete!

C. Maria Caeca

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Salvete Omnes!!!

Another beautiful day here in the south after several days of Tornadoes and severe storms! Flower are blooming in abundance! We are supposed to have a couple more days of lovely weather and then we will be gifted with more rain which should contribute to an abundance of flowers and grain!

Io Floralia!

This is not an ancient poem but very lovely from the latter half of the 18th century by Poet William Morris:

Flora

am the handmaid of the earth,
I broider fair her glorious gown,
And deck her on her days of mirth
With many a garland of renown.

And while Earth's little ones are fain
And play about the Mother's hem,
I scatter every gift I gain
From sun and wind to gladden them.


I have posted some images of the Goddess Flora here:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.10150159940971176.294586.556351175
And also have added an album of a variety of ancient Roman masks to my flikr acccount:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/l_j_a/sets/72157626464981747/

Enjoy!!!

Bene valete in pacem deorum

L. Iulia Aquila
Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
Pontifex Novæ Romæ
http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/

Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Aeternia C. Mariae Caecae sal:
>
> Why yes I did and here I was attempting nonchalance lol, in the end a group
> effort all around.
>
> Glad you're back Caeca.
>
> Vale Optime,
> Aeternia
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:30 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Caeca Sal!
> >
> > But ... (big smile) Amice Carissima! You chose that bouquet, so you *know*
> > how lovely it is, and, soon, you shall have pictures to prove it! I'd send
> > them here, but this list does not, wisely, I think, allow attachments. so,
> > trust me on this, they are lovely!
> >
> > Vale et valete bene!
> > CMC
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Ex officio Tribunus Plebis Gaius Aemilius Crassus



With the auspices having been taken by Augur Gaius Tullius Valerianus
Germanicus and found to be propitious, notice is given to the Roman people
that Consul Equitius Cato has called the Senate into session.



Consul C. Equitius Cato has called the Senate to meet during the following
times



Session

Beginning: 2 pm, a.d. VI Kal. Mai. (Apr. 26) ; end: sunset a.d. V Non. Mai.
2764 auc (Mai. 3, 2011)

Contio

Beginning: 2 pm, a.d. VI Kal. Mai. (Apr. 26) ; end: 2 pm a.d. pr. Kal. Apr.
2764 auc (Apr. 30, 2011 )

Vote

Beginning: 2 pm, pr. Kal. Mai. (Apr. 30) ; end: sunset a.d. V Non. Mai. 2764
auc (Mai. 3, 2011)



The Consul has set as the following as the preliminary agenda:



- A method by which the voting peculiarities of Nova Roma can be at least
temporarily re-established.



Valete



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Ave!

I think we all know that Metellus has been anything but on leave. He is the
one Pontiff that I am aware of that actually does their responsibility by
actually summoning the CP into session, which it is or about to be....if I
recall correctly. No other Pontiff does that.

Vale,

Sulla

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:

>
>
> SALVETE!
>
> Just to remind to anyone (including the one who was on leave at that time
> and voted by proxy) that the current call for minor priesthood positions is
> the first step of what the CP approved as Item III:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/message/277
>
> VALETE,
> Sabinus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Q Caecilius Metellus
> <q.caecilius.metellus@...> wrote:
> >
> > Q Caecilius Metellus pontifex Quiritibus sal.
> >
> > Saluete, Quirites.
> >
> > Surely you have seen by now the solicitation from pontifex T Iulius,
> > seeking applicants for various priesthoods within our organisation.
> > Naturally, if that was missed, the pontifex L Iulia saw it fitting to
> > solicit individuals again, reposting the original missive. Two
> > individuals have responded to the solicitation publicly; I cannot say
> > who has, or how many have, responded privately.
> >
> > The Collegium Pontificum, for whatever reason, sees it perfectly fitting
> > to simply work toward the business of filling positions, as evidenced by
> > the posting of these solicitations, in this forum and at least one
> > other. It has been determined that it is of great importance to simply
> > fill the seats, and individuals have responded to the call that has been
> > made. The Collegium Pontificum seeks to put individuals into positions
> > of authority, real or imagined, and responsibility, positions with
> > duties to the Res Publica.
> >
> > Titus Iulius Sabinus and Lucia Iulia Aquila have found it most
> > appropriate to fill open positions, both within the Collegium Pontificum
> > and outside of it. The responsibility attendant to these positions is
> > of no little magnitude. Indeed, it rests with the holders of these
> > positions to work toward, as I have many times said, ensuring the safety
> > and welfare of the Res Publica by working to maintain the Gods'
> > satisfaction with our organisation. But what, precisely, is one to do?
> >
> > What a great question! There is no job description, for any of these
> > open positions. There is no set of expectations of performance. There
> > is not even any stated expectations of education and experience. At
> > present, all that exists is a job *title*, and *entitlements*. There is
> > nothing more than that.
> >
> > Yet, there are decrees in place, subjecting the holders of these offices
> > to unclear, undefined, and outright unstated expectations of
> > performance. One is expected to perform in one's position, without even
> > the benefit of knowing specifically what must be performed or how.
> >
> > There is an expectation, too, that the holders of these positions be
> > experts in the various areas of the cultus publicus. Yet, too, there
> > are no clear expectations laid out by the Collegium Pontificum, with
> > respect to the education and training these individuals must, or even
> > should, have, prior to being brought into a position. Indeed, our
> > 'expert' on any given sphere of reference could, under current operating
> > procedure, be the single most ignorant individual on the topics at hand.
> >
> > What too, as we consider all this, for the holders of the priesthood?
> > Surely they cannot be expected to finance all their works, as servants
> > of the Res Publica. Nevertheless, they most certainly must, in our
> > current situation, as our currently approved tax rate can not be
> > expected to do anything toward helping with that enterprise: it cannot
> > even be expected to pay even the most minimal of our current operating
> > expenses. But I digress....
> >
> > The current situation is such that individuals are brought into
> > positions, left to fly blindly in the dark. They are expected to
> > perform duties, without any duties being defined. They are expected to
> > be experts, without any declaration of how they are to be so. They are
> > expected to fulfil responsibilities, without any stated
> > responsibilities. At the end, they are evaluated on their performance,
> > without any guidance on how or what they were to have performed.
> >
> > This, Quirites, is the situation into which Titus Iulius Sabinus, the
> > chosen pontifex maximus, and Lucia Iulia Aquila, recently co-opted
> > pontifex, wish to bring you. These are the kinds of experts these two
> > wish to provide you. This is how the cultus publicus is to continue.
> >
> > All this, though, is neverminding the list provided in the
> > solicitations. As it were, that list which has been so graciously
> > provided, is in itself either erroneous or incomplete, howsoever you
> > prefer. There are a number of "lesser priesthoods" listed, yet those
> > are only positions which have been held by individuals in the past.
> > Surely the extensive experience of these pontifices would grant them the
> > history of that list, one which only listed the deities currently having
> > a sacerdos in service; as noted originally atop that list, "Please note
> > that since there are many Gods and Goddesses from the Roman World, all
> > the possible Sacerdos Priesthood positions cannot be listed here." As
> > it were, in the past, listings were removed when there was no current
> > sacerdos, which has not been the case in the recent past. But my time
> > and experience in Nova Roma, and the same as a pontifex, perhaps grant
> > me greater, well, education and experience, to know how this
> > authoritative list came into being.
> >
> > How does one build a house without blueprints? And pity be upon the
> > architect, who builds the house, and is told in the end, that it is not
> > up to the desires of the purchaser.
> >
>
>
>


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Ave!

You are asking what Metellus does? Seriously?

The Calendar does not count?
Making sure the Auspices are conducted correctly - remember the crap
Modianus pulled? I dont think you have that short of a memory Iulia :)
Preparing the Calendar for the next 10 years in advance?
SUMMONING the CP?

That is not enough to show an active pontiff? Really? Then I suggest all
the Pontiffs should resign!

Vale,

Sulla

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:03 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Iulia Caecilio omnibusque S.P.D.
>
>
> >It has been determined that it is of great importance to simply
> >fill the seats,
>
> There is no "simply" about it. As Pontifex it is a duty to not just talk
> about a program, but to be proactive and teach, to mentor, for real (as
> opposed to imagine)those Sacerdotes in need of instruction as I had been
> doing for our Vestal complete with a lesson, reading material and a weekly
> meeting to discuss said lesson and reading material - and this shall resume
> when she is ready. In addition any student of mine will know that I am
> available as needed.
> Pontifex Maximus Sabinus is aware of this endeavor.
>
> I learned initially through mentorship and study and have continued my
> studies throughout the decades, and continue to this day - this was how the
> priesthoods taught in ancient times - we have no written programs of
> priesthood for the religio. They may not have existed or may not have
> survived, regardless they do not exist for us at this moment. This
> methodical training occurs within the Vedic and Yahwist religions mainly
> because they have several specific religious texts - even at that those
> religions were well developed before actual ritual actions were written
> down. Look it up. We do not have that resource.
>
> I am proud to say I still have mentors every now and again and there is
> always something new for me to learn. Education in the Religio is should be
> ongoing which contributes to a competent Sacerdos, Flamine and Pontifex.
>
> It is a dignified and wise action to bring this up within the CP rather
> than post a rant on the ML about something you, yourself, should take the
> initiative to offer the services of your knowledge to a Camillii who needs
> such mentorship. An instruction project was mentioned in the CP and an
> effort was made to get the CP to begin work on the education of Camillii and
> Sacerdotes - with no response from you to lend a hand. A fairly
> comprehensive outline, an encyclopedia as Pontifex Petronius called it, was
> presented, that also served as rough guideline for teaching Camillii and
> Sacerdotes - but not a word or suggestion from you. It is in the files and
> ready to be built upon.
> So I must ask, since you have not had the benefit of a training program
> does this mean you are not qualified to be Pontifex?
> Certainly not say I.
>
> The time and energy it took to write this rant you could have created a
> basic outline for one lesson for aspiring Sacerdotes.
>
> In short I am a Pontifex of action who can lay aside her pointy hat and
> walk amongst the citizens and offer a hand in public or in privatum. I have
> spoken to those interested, which includes one of the applicants, even on
> facebook. Rather than simply write missives, I do the actual work, online
> with the citizens, as well as offline with living breathing cultores. I know
> Pontifex Sabinus to be this sort of Pontifex as well.
>
> Simul triumphamus, Pontifex Metelle. Are you ready to begin the work
> Pontifex Metelle?
>
> I also know one of the applicants to be a studious cultore who has been
> practicing the religio for some time and has a wonderful blog.
> I walk the walk Pontifex Metelle, do you? Until now I have not felt the
> need to paste "what I do" all over Nova Roma because it is a duty and should
> be expected, but I do so now in answer to your missive.
> When was the last time you performed a ritual in honor of the Gods to
> benefit the public?
> My last time was April 28th to Flora at my outdoor sacullum, on April 1st
> the Veneralia ritual was done at the area and lagoon consecrated to Venus.
> (To name two as April is a very busy month) Every morning a ritual is
> offered to Venus.
>
> Quirites, I offer the hand of mentorship to any new Camilla/us or any
> co-opted Sacerdos so he or she can contribute to ensuring the safety
> and welfare of our Res Publica by working to maintain the Gods'
> satisfaction with our organization.
>
> Bene valete in pacem deorum
>
> L. Iulia Aquila
> Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
> Pontifex Nov� Rom�
> http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/
>
> Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
> >
> > SALVETE!
> >
> > Just to remind to anyone (including the one who was on leave at that time
> and voted by proxy) that the current call for minor priesthood positions is
> the first step of what the CP approved as Item III:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/message/277
> >
> > VALETE,
> > Sabinus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Q Caecilius Metellus
> <q.caecilius.metellus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Q Caecilius Metellus pontifex Quiritibus sal.
> > >
> > > Saluete, Quirites.
> > >
> > > Surely you have seen by now the solicitation from pontifex T Iulius,
> > > seeking applicants for various priesthoods within our organisation.
> > > Naturally, if that was missed, the pontifex L Iulia saw it fitting to
> > > solicit individuals again, reposting the original missive. Two
> > > individuals have responded to the solicitation publicly; I cannot say
> > > who has, or how many have, responded privately.
> > >
> > > The Collegium Pontificum, for whatever reason, sees it perfectly
> fitting
> > > to simply work toward the business of filling positions, as evidenced
> by
> > > the posting of these solicitations, in this forum and at least one
> > > other. It has been determined that it is of great importance to simply
> > > fill the seats, and individuals have responded to the call that has
> been
> > > made. The Collegium Pontificum seeks to put individuals into positions
> > > of authority, real or imagined, and responsibility, positions with
> > > duties to the Res Publica.
> > >
> > > Titus Iulius Sabinus and Lucia Iulia Aquila have found it most
> > > appropriate to fill open positions, both within the Collegium
> Pontificum
> > > and outside of it. The responsibility attendant to these positions is
> > > of no little magnitude. Indeed, it rests with the holders of these
> > > positions to work toward, as I have many times said, But what,
> precisely, is one to do?
>
> > >
> > > What a great question! There is no job description, for any of these
> > > open positions. There is no set of expectations of performance. There
> > > is not even any stated expectations of education and experience. At
> > > present, all that exists is a job *title*, and *entitlements*. There is
> > > nothing more than that.
> > >
> > > Yet, there are decrees in place, subjecting the holders of these
> offices
> > > to unclear, undefined, and outright unstated expectations of
> > > performance. One is expected to perform in one's position, without even
> > > the benefit of knowing specifically what must be performed or how.
> > >
> > > There is an expectation, too, that the holders of these positions be
> > > experts in the various areas of the cultus publicus. Yet, too, there
> > > are no clear expectations laid out by the Collegium Pontificum, with
> > > respect to the education and training these individuals must, or even
> > > should, have, prior to being brought into a position. Indeed, our
> > > 'expert' on any given sphere of reference could, under current
> operating
> > > procedure, be the single most ignorant individual on the topics at
> hand.
> > >
> > > What too, as we consider all this, for the holders of the priesthood?
> > > Surely they cannot be expected to finance all their works, as servants
> > > of the Res Publica. Nevertheless, they most certainly must, in our
> > > current situation, as our currently approved tax rate can not be
> > > expected to do anything toward helping with that enterprise: it cannot
> > > even be expected to pay even the most minimal of our current operating
> > > expenses. But I digress....
> > >
> > > The current situation is such that individuals are brought into
> > > positions, left to fly blindly in the dark. They are expected to
> > > perform duties, without any duties being defined. They are expected to
> > > be experts, without any declaration of how they are to be so. They are
> > > expected to fulfil responsibilities, without any stated
> > > responsibilities. At the end, they are evaluated on their performance,
> > > without any guidance on how or what they were to have performed.
> > >
> > > This, Quirites, is the situation into which Titus Iulius Sabinus, the
> > > chosen pontifex maximus, and Lucia Iulia Aquila, recently co-opted
> > > pontifex, wish to bring you. These are the kinds of experts these two
> > > wish to provide you. This is how the cultus publicus is to continue.
> > >
> > > All this, though, is neverminding the list provided in the
> > > solicitations. As it were, that list which has been so graciously
> > > provided, is in itself either erroneous or incomplete, howsoever you
> > > prefer. There are a number of "lesser priesthoods" listed, yet those
> > > are only positions which have been held by individuals in the past.
> > > Surely the extensive experience of these pontifices would grant them
> the
> > > history of that list, one which only listed the deities currently
> having
> > > a sacerdos in service; as noted originally atop that list, "Please note
> > > that since there are many Gods and Goddesses from the Roman World, all
> > > the possible Sacerdos Priesthood positions cannot be listed here." As
> > > it were, in the past, listings were removed when there was no current
> > > sacerdos, which has not been the case in the recent past. But my time
> > > and experience in Nova Roma, and the same as a pontifex, perhaps grant
> > > me greater, well, education and experience, to know how this
> > > authoritative list came into being.
> > >
> > > How does one build a house without blueprints? And pity be upon the
> > > architect, who builds the house, and is told in the end, that it is not
> > > up to the desires of the purchaser.
> > >
> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ave Sulla,

I understand that, and I am glad for it, but that is not what we were discussing, we were discussing performing rituals in honor of the Gods.
We were discussing teaching new Camilla and the absence of a formal program.

Sabinus and I did nothing to warrant that diatribe and my response was the consequence of that action. We also do quite a lot that is not mentioned beyond the scope of this particular issue.

Vale

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave!
>
> You are asking what Metellus does? Seriously?
>
> The Calendar does not count?
> Making sure the Auspices are conducted correctly - remember the crap
> Modianus pulled? I dont think you have that short of a memory Iulia :)
> Preparing the Calendar for the next 10 years in advance?
> SUMMONING the CP?
>
> That is not enough to show an active pontiff? Really? Then I suggest all
> the Pontiffs should resign!
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:03 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Iulia Caecilio omnibusque S.P.D.
> >
> >
> > >It has been determined that it is of great importance to simply
> > >fill the seats,
> >
> > There is no "simply" about it. As Pontifex it is a duty to not just talk
> > about a program, but to be proactive and teach, to mentor, for real (as
> > opposed to imagine)those Sacerdotes in need of instruction as I had been
> > doing for our Vestal complete with a lesson, reading material and a weekly
> > meeting to discuss said lesson and reading material - and this shall resume
> > when she is ready. In addition any student of mine will know that I am
> > available as needed.
> > Pontifex Maximus Sabinus is aware of this endeavor.
> >
> > I learned initially through mentorship and study and have continued my
> > studies throughout the decades, and continue to this day - this was how the
> > priesthoods taught in ancient times - we have no written programs of
> > priesthood for the religio. They may not have existed or may not have
> > survived, regardless they do not exist for us at this moment. This
> > methodical training occurs within the Vedic and Yahwist religions mainly
> > because they have several specific religious texts - even at that those
> > religions were well developed before actual ritual actions were written
> > down. Look it up. We do not have that resource.
> >
> > I am proud to say I still have mentors every now and again and there is
> > always something new for me to learn. Education in the Religio is should be
> > ongoing which contributes to a competent Sacerdos, Flamine and Pontifex.
> >
> > It is a dignified and wise action to bring this up within the CP rather
> > than post a rant on the ML about something you, yourself, should take the
> > initiative to offer the services of your knowledge to a Camillii who needs
> > such mentorship. An instruction project was mentioned in the CP and an
> > effort was made to get the CP to begin work on the education of Camillii and
> > Sacerdotes - with no response from you to lend a hand. A fairly
> > comprehensive outline, an encyclopedia as Pontifex Petronius called it, was
> > presented, that also served as rough guideline for teaching Camillii and
> > Sacerdotes - but not a word or suggestion from you. It is in the files and
> > ready to be built upon.
> > So I must ask, since you have not had the benefit of a training program
> > does this mean you are not qualified to be Pontifex?
> > Certainly not say I.
> >
> > The time and energy it took to write this rant you could have created a
> > basic outline for one lesson for aspiring Sacerdotes.
> >
> > In short I am a Pontifex of action who can lay aside her pointy hat and
> > walk amongst the citizens and offer a hand in public or in privatum. I have
> > spoken to those interested, which includes one of the applicants, even on
> > facebook. Rather than simply write missives, I do the actual work, online
> > with the citizens, as well as offline with living breathing cultores. I know
> > Pontifex Sabinus to be this sort of Pontifex as well.
> >
> > Simul triumphamus, Pontifex Metelle. Are you ready to begin the work
> > Pontifex Metelle?
> >
> > I also know one of the applicants to be a studious cultore who has been
> > practicing the religio for some time and has a wonderful blog.
> > I walk the walk Pontifex Metelle, do you? Until now I have not felt the
> > need to paste "what I do" all over Nova Roma because it is a duty and should
> > be expected, but I do so now in answer to your missive.
> > When was the last time you performed a ritual in honor of the Gods to
> > benefit the public?
> > My last time was April 28th to Flora at my outdoor sacullum, on April 1st
> > the Veneralia ritual was done at the area and lagoon consecrated to Venus.
> > (To name two as April is a very busy month) Every morning a ritual is
> > offered to Venus.
> >
> > Quirites, I offer the hand of mentorship to any new Camilla/us or any
> > co-opted Sacerdos so he or she can contribute to ensuring the safety
> > and welfare of our Res Publica by working to maintain the Gods'
> > satisfaction with our organization.
> >
> > Bene valete in pacem deorum
> >
> > L. Iulia Aquila
> > Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
> > Pontifex Novæ Romæ
> > http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > SALVETE!
> > >
> > > Just to remind to anyone (including the one who was on leave at that time
> > and voted by proxy) that the current call for minor priesthood positions is
> > the first step of what the CP approved as Item III:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/message/277
> > >
> > > VALETE,
> > > Sabinus
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Q Caecilius Metellus
> > <q.caecilius.metellus@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Q Caecilius Metellus pontifex Quiritibus sal.
> > > >
> > > > Saluete, Quirites.
> > > >
> > > > Surely you have seen by now the solicitation from pontifex T Iulius,
> > > > seeking applicants for various priesthoods within our organisation.
> > > > Naturally, if that was missed, the pontifex L Iulia saw it fitting to
> > > > solicit individuals again, reposting the original missive. Two
> > > > individuals have responded to the solicitation publicly; I cannot say
> > > > who has, or how many have, responded privately.
> > > >
> > > > The Collegium Pontificum, for whatever reason, sees it perfectly
> > fitting
> > > > to simply work toward the business of filling positions, as evidenced
> > by
> > > > the posting of these solicitations, in this forum and at least one
> > > > other. It has been determined that it is of great importance to simply
> > > > fill the seats, and individuals have responded to the call that has
> > been
> > > > made. The Collegium Pontificum seeks to put individuals into positions
> > > > of authority, real or imagined, and responsibility, positions with
> > > > duties to the Res Publica.
> > > >
> > > > Titus Iulius Sabinus and Lucia Iulia Aquila have found it most
> > > > appropriate to fill open positions, both within the Collegium
> > Pontificum
> > > > and outside of it. The responsibility attendant to these positions is
> > > > of no little magnitude. Indeed, it rests with the holders of these
> > > > positions to work toward, as I have many times said, But what,
> > precisely, is one to do?
> >
> > > >
> > > > What a great question! There is no job description, for any of these
> > > > open positions. There is no set of expectations of performance. There
> > > > is not even any stated expectations of education and experience. At
> > > > present, all that exists is a job *title*, and *entitlements*. There is
> > > > nothing more than that.
> > > >
> > > > Yet, there are decrees in place, subjecting the holders of these
> > offices
> > > > to unclear, undefined, and outright unstated expectations of
> > > > performance. One is expected to perform in one's position, without even
> > > > the benefit of knowing specifically what must be performed or how.
> > > >
> > > > There is an expectation, too, that the holders of these positions be
> > > > experts in the various areas of the cultus publicus. Yet, too, there
> > > > are no clear expectations laid out by the Collegium Pontificum, with
> > > > respect to the education and training these individuals must, or even
> > > > should, have, prior to being brought into a position. Indeed, our
> > > > 'expert' on any given sphere of reference could, under current
> > operating
> > > > procedure, be the single most ignorant individual on the topics at
> > hand.
> > > >
> > > > What too, as we consider all this, for the holders of the priesthood?
> > > > Surely they cannot be expected to finance all their works, as servants
> > > > of the Res Publica. Nevertheless, they most certainly must, in our
> > > > current situation, as our currently approved tax rate can not be
> > > > expected to do anything toward helping with that enterprise: it cannot
> > > > even be expected to pay even the most minimal of our current operating
> > > > expenses. But I digress....
> > > >
> > > > The current situation is such that individuals are brought into
> > > > positions, left to fly blindly in the dark. They are expected to
> > > > perform duties, without any duties being defined. They are expected to
> > > > be experts, without any declaration of how they are to be so. They are
> > > > expected to fulfil responsibilities, without any stated
> > > > responsibilities. At the end, they are evaluated on their performance,
> > > > without any guidance on how or what they were to have performed.
> > > >
> > > > This, Quirites, is the situation into which Titus Iulius Sabinus, the
> > > > chosen pontifex maximus, and Lucia Iulia Aquila, recently co-opted
> > > > pontifex, wish to bring you. These are the kinds of experts these two
> > > > wish to provide you. This is how the cultus publicus is to continue.
> > > >
> > > > All this, though, is neverminding the list provided in the
> > > > solicitations. As it were, that list which has been so graciously
> > > > provided, is in itself either erroneous or incomplete, howsoever you
> > > > prefer. There are a number of "lesser priesthoods" listed, yet those
> > > > are only positions which have been held by individuals in the past.
> > > > Surely the extensive experience of these pontifices would grant them
> > the
> > > > history of that list, one which only listed the deities currently
> > having
> > > > a sacerdos in service; as noted originally atop that list, "Please note
> > > > that since there are many Gods and Goddesses from the Roman World, all
> > > > the possible Sacerdos Priesthood positions cannot be listed here." As
> > > > it were, in the past, listings were removed when there was no current
> > > > sacerdos, which has not been the case in the recent past. But my time
> > > > and experience in Nova Roma, and the same as a pontifex, perhaps grant
> > > > me greater, well, education and experience, to know how this
> > > > authoritative list came into being.
> > > >
> > > > How does one build a house without blueprints? And pity be upon the
> > > > architect, who builds the house, and is told in the end, that it is not
> > > > up to the desires of the purchaser.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Ave!

Maybe you and Sabinus felt it was unwarranted, but perhaps Metellus thought
it entirely relevant? This is why if you felt it was unwarranted you would
respond to the substantive points he made in his post...instead of just
deflecting....I wonder if there is an internet rule that if one deflects
then they immediately lose the conversation kinda like Godwins rule? LOL.
So, back to the topic...if you think that the post was unwarranted - respond
to the substantive points that Metellus made in his post. :) Then we the
People can weigh both sides.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:43 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Ave Sulla,
>
> I understand that, and I am glad for it, but that is not what we were
> discussing, we were discussing performing rituals in honor of the Gods.
> We were discussing teaching new Camilla and the absence of a formal
> program.
>
> Sabinus and I did nothing to warrant that diatribe and my response was the
> consequence of that action. We also do quite a lot that is not mentioned
> beyond the scope of this particular issue.
>
> Vale
>
> Julia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ave!
> >
> > You are asking what Metellus does? Seriously?
> >
> > The Calendar does not count?
> > Making sure the Auspices are conducted correctly - remember the crap
> > Modianus pulled? I dont think you have that short of a memory Iulia :)
> > Preparing the Calendar for the next 10 years in advance?
> > SUMMONING the CP?
> >
> > That is not enough to show an active pontiff? Really? Then I suggest all
> > the Pontiffs should resign!
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:03 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> > luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Iulia Caecilio omnibusque S.P.D.
> > >
> > >
> > > >It has been determined that it is of great importance to simply
> > > >fill the seats,
> > >
> > > There is no "simply" about it. As Pontifex it is a duty to not just
> talk
> > > about a program, but to be proactive and teach, to mentor, for real (as
> > > opposed to imagine)those Sacerdotes in need of instruction as I had
> been
> > > doing for our Vestal complete with a lesson, reading material and a
> weekly
> > > meeting to discuss said lesson and reading material - and this shall
> resume
> > > when she is ready. In addition any student of mine will know that I am
> > > available as needed.
> > > Pontifex Maximus Sabinus is aware of this endeavor.
> > >
> > > I learned initially through mentorship and study and have continued my
> > > studies throughout the decades, and continue to this day - this was how
> the
> > > priesthoods taught in ancient times - we have no written programs of
> > > priesthood for the religio. They may not have existed or may not have
> > > survived, regardless they do not exist for us at this moment. This
> > > methodical training occurs within the Vedic and Yahwist religions
> mainly
> > > because they have several specific religious texts - even at that those
> > > religions were well developed before actual ritual actions were written
> > > down. Look it up. We do not have that resource.
> > >
> > > I am proud to say I still have mentors every now and again and there is
> > > always something new for me to learn. Education in the Religio is
> should be
> > > ongoing which contributes to a competent Sacerdos, Flamine and
> Pontifex.
> > >
> > > It is a dignified and wise action to bring this up within the CP rather
> > > than post a rant on the ML about something you, yourself, should take
> the
> > > initiative to offer the services of your knowledge to a Camillii who
> needs
> > > such mentorship. An instruction project was mentioned in the CP and an
> > > effort was made to get the CP to begin work on the education of
> Camillii and
> > > Sacerdotes - with no response from you to lend a hand. A fairly
> > > comprehensive outline, an encyclopedia as Pontifex Petronius called it,
> was
> > > presented, that also served as rough guideline for teaching Camillii
> and
> > > Sacerdotes - but not a word or suggestion from you. It is in the files
> and
> > > ready to be built upon.
> > > So I must ask, since you have not had the benefit of a training program
> > > does this mean you are not qualified to be Pontifex?
> > > Certainly not say I.
> > >
> > > The time and energy it took to write this rant you could have created a
> > > basic outline for one lesson for aspiring Sacerdotes.
> > >
> > > In short I am a Pontifex of action who can lay aside her pointy hat and
> > > walk amongst the citizens and offer a hand in public or in privatum. I
> have
> > > spoken to those interested, which includes one of the applicants, even
> on
> > > facebook. Rather than simply write missives, I do the actual work,
> online
> > > with the citizens, as well as offline with living breathing cultores. I
> know
> > > Pontifex Sabinus to be this sort of Pontifex as well.
> > >
> > > Simul triumphamus, Pontifex Metelle. Are you ready to begin the work
> > > Pontifex Metelle?
> > >
> > > I also know one of the applicants to be a studious cultore who has been
> > > practicing the religio for some time and has a wonderful blog.
> > > I walk the walk Pontifex Metelle, do you? Until now I have not felt the
> > > need to paste "what I do" all over Nova Roma because it is a duty and
> should
> > > be expected, but I do so now in answer to your missive.
> > > When was the last time you performed a ritual in honor of the Gods to
> > > benefit the public?
> > > My last time was April 28th to Flora at my outdoor sacullum, on April
> 1st
> > > the Veneralia ritual was done at the area and lagoon consecrated to
> Venus.
> > > (To name two as April is a very busy month) Every morning a ritual is
> > > offered to Venus.
> > >
> > > Quirites, I offer the hand of mentorship to any new Camilla/us or any
> > > co-opted Sacerdos so he or she can contribute to ensuring the safety
> > > and welfare of our Res Publica by working to maintain the Gods'
> > > satisfaction with our organization.
> > >
> > > Bene valete in pacem deorum
> > >
> > > L. Iulia Aquila
> > > Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
> > > Pontifex Nov� Rom�
> > > http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > > Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > SALVETE!
> > > >
> > > > Just to remind to anyone (including the one who was on leave at that
> time
> > > and voted by proxy) that the current call for minor priesthood
> positions is
> > > the first step of what the CP approved as Item III:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/message/277
> > > >
> > > > VALETE,
> > > > Sabinus
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Q Caecilius Metellus
> > > <q.caecilius.metellus@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Q Caecilius Metellus pontifex Quiritibus sal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Saluete, Quirites.
> > > > >
> > > > > Surely you have seen by now the solicitation from pontifex T
> Iulius,
> > > > > seeking applicants for various priesthoods within our organisation.
> > > > > Naturally, if that was missed, the pontifex L Iulia saw it fitting
> to
> > > > > solicit individuals again, reposting the original missive. Two
> > > > > individuals have responded to the solicitation publicly; I cannot
> say
> > > > > who has, or how many have, responded privately.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Collegium Pontificum, for whatever reason, sees it perfectly
> > > fitting
> > > > > to simply work toward the business of filling positions, as
> evidenced
> > > by
> > > > > the posting of these solicitations, in this forum and at least one
> > > > > other. It has been determined that it is of great importance to
> simply
> > > > > fill the seats, and individuals have responded to the call that has
> > > been
> > > > > made. The Collegium Pontificum seeks to put individuals into
> positions
> > > > > of authority, real or imagined, and responsibility, positions with
> > > > > duties to the Res Publica.
> > > > >
> > > > > Titus Iulius Sabinus and Lucia Iulia Aquila have found it most
> > > > > appropriate to fill open positions, both within the Collegium
> > > Pontificum
> > > > > and outside of it. The responsibility attendant to these positions
> is
> > > > > of no little magnitude. Indeed, it rests with the holders of these
> > > > > positions to work toward, as I have many times said, But what,
> > > precisely, is one to do?
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What a great question! There is no job description, for any of
> these
> > > > > open positions. There is no set of expectations of performance.
> There
> > > > > is not even any stated expectations of education and experience. At
> > > > > present, all that exists is a job *title*, and *entitlements*.
> There is
> > > > > nothing more than that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yet, there are decrees in place, subjecting the holders of these
> > > offices
> > > > > to unclear, undefined, and outright unstated expectations of
> > > > > performance. One is expected to perform in one's position, without
> even
> > > > > the benefit of knowing specifically what must be performed or how.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is an expectation, too, that the holders of these positions
> be
> > > > > experts in the various areas of the cultus publicus. Yet, too,
> there
> > > > > are no clear expectations laid out by the Collegium Pontificum,
> with
> > > > > respect to the education and training these individuals must, or
> even
> > > > > should, have, prior to being brought into a position. Indeed, our
> > > > > 'expert' on any given sphere of reference could, under current
> > > operating
> > > > > procedure, be the single most ignorant individual on the topics at
> > > hand.
> > > > >
> > > > > What too, as we consider all this, for the holders of the
> priesthood?
> > > > > Surely they cannot be expected to finance all their works, as
> servants
> > > > > of the Res Publica. Nevertheless, they most certainly must, in our
> > > > > current situation, as our currently approved tax rate can not be
> > > > > expected to do anything toward helping with that enterprise: it
> cannot
> > > > > even be expected to pay even the most minimal of our current
> operating
> > > > > expenses. But I digress....
> > > > >
> > > > > The current situation is such that individuals are brought into
> > > > > positions, left to fly blindly in the dark. They are expected to
> > > > > perform duties, without any duties being defined. They are expected
> to
> > > > > be experts, without any declaration of how they are to be so. They
> are
> > > > > expected to fulfil responsibilities, without any stated
> > > > > responsibilities. At the end, they are evaluated on their
> performance,
> > > > > without any guidance on how or what they were to have performed.
> > > > >
> > > > > This, Quirites, is the situation into which Titus Iulius Sabinus,
> the
> > > > > chosen pontifex maximus, and Lucia Iulia Aquila, recently co-opted
> > > > > pontifex, wish to bring you. These are the kinds of experts these
> two
> > > > > wish to provide you. This is how the cultus publicus is to
> continue.
> > > > >
> > > > > All this, though, is neverminding the list provided in the
> > > > > solicitations. As it were, that list which has been so graciously
> > > > > provided, is in itself either erroneous or incomplete, howsoever
> you
> > > > > prefer. There are a number of "lesser priesthoods" listed, yet
> those
> > > > > are only positions which have been held by individuals in the past.
> > > > > Surely the extensive experience of these pontifices would grant
> them
> > > the
> > > > > history of that list, one which only listed the deities currently
> > > having
> > > > > a sacerdos in service; as noted originally atop that list, "Please
> note
> > > > > that since there are many Gods and Goddesses from the Roman World,
> all
> > > > > the possible Sacerdos Priesthood positions cannot be listed here."
> As
> > > > > it were, in the past, listings were removed when there was no
> current
> > > > > sacerdos, which has not been the case in the recent past. But my
> time
> > > > > and experience in Nova Roma, and the same as a pontifex, perhaps
> grant
> > > > > me greater, well, education and experience, to know how this
> > > > > authoritative list came into being.
> > > > >
> > > > > How does one build a house without blueprints? And pity be upon the
> > > > > architect, who builds the house, and is told in the end, that it is
> not
> > > > > up to the desires of the purchaser.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>

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SALVE!
 
Thank you for reply, it is really appreciated. I will think to something to work together.
 
VALE,
Sabinus

--- On Mon, 4/25/11, Ty Sponchia <muskegcorner@...> wrote:



As a follower of Mercury i would like to extend a helping hand to any who need help researching the God of Trade. I had considered applying for a position myself but i am not the priestly type. I celebrate His holidays and give thanks before and after a deal and I must say that with His help my import business has survived the down turn and expanded.

Please let me know how i can be of help. I have been doing research on Pan and Saturn as well.

Since I am a wine maker as a hobby and for drinking i make sure to thank and acknowledge Liber; the Etruscan God of Harvest and wine that has become entangled with the upstart Greek God of Wine.

Titus Sicinius Metellus

--- On Fri, 4/22/11, Denise D. <aemilia.regilla@...> wrote:

From: Denise D. <aemilia.regilla@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Open gates to Nova Roma priesthood.
To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com" <ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:23 PM

 

Salvete,

I sent my application for priesthood in pvt to T.I. Sabinus and G.C. Lentulus e-mails.

Valete,

 

--

V.A. Regilla

________________________________

De: Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>

Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 21 de Abril de 2011 11:30

Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Open gates to Nova Roma priesthood.

 

SALVETE!

Nova Roma is accepting applications based of simple test knowledge for various Priesthoods. If you are interested in helping to rebuild the Religio Romana and the worship of the ancient Roman deities on an official public basis, we would be pleased to hear from you. The Priesthoods in Nova Roma are open to both men and women, with the exception of the Vestals. As Priesthood is an important position of responsibility we do ask that you read the following guidelines:

- We ask that applicants have sincere religious feeling for the deity who's priesthood they wish to undertake. It is necessary that the applicant worship that deity in private life in addition to being willing to preside over public rituals on behalf of Nova Roma. As our central goal is to restore sincere as well as traditional worship of the ancient Gods, we cannot grant Priesthood status to Citizens who apply only for reasons of historical curiosity or for purposes of secular historical reenactment.

- We ask that Priesthood applicants have real time to devote toward advancing the worship of their chosen deity both within Nova Roma and in the outside world. This involves being available for public correspondence concerning the worship of the God or Goddess they serve, assisting others in their personal worship, working to reconstruct rites, prayers and other religious liturgy related to their deity, being available for public rites sponsored by Nova Roma,

and ideally, organizing public rites/temples on their own as well. We feel that Priesthood is defined by active service on many levels. Therefore we cannot provide empty "titles" for those who are unable to put forth genuine effort.

- We must ask that all Priesthood applicants be able to do College-level literary research to recover the historical facts of their Priesthood, and the worship of the God or Goddess they seek to serve. The restoration of the Religio Romana is still in its first stages and it is the Priesthood that must do the historical work to make their chosen path come alive again. Each Priestess or Priest will be required to create a complete written "plan" for rebuilding the

worship of their deity at some point, This will need to include not only a historical overview of their God or Goddesses ancient worship, but also written rituals for the deities festival days, prayers and rites for others who seek to worship that deity, offering liturgy, etc. We recommend that applicants have access to one or more good libraries, or have the means to find/buy scholarly books and resource materials.

- We must also request that applicants agree to act within a Roman

reconstructionist format while acting as an official Priestess or Priest of Nova Roma. This means being as historically accurate as possible in rituals, offerings, prayers, written text, etc. As we are seeking to build the Religio Romana as a distinct religion in the modern world, it is important that it's practices be as unique today as they were in the antiquity.

- We ask that applicants be involved with Nova Roma as a Citizen for six months before applying for a Priesthood position. This is important because members of the Priesthood are acting on behalf of Nova Roma itself, and some experience with the community you will be working with is necessary. This can only come with time.

- We ask that applicants to obtain and maintain the assidui status (taxpayer) during their term of service in Priesthood.

All interested applicants can contact the Collegium Pontificum through any of the Nova Roma pontifices, using their contact section of the Album Civium page.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Collegium_pontificum_%28Nova_Roma%29

or presented their interest in Nova Roma main list:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/

and Religio Romana list:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ReligioRomana/

no late than pr. Non. Mai. 2764 a.U.c (6th of May 2011.

Available positions but not limited to:

Apollinis Aedis Sacerdotes

Iani Aedis Sacerdotes

Iovis Aedes Sacerdotes

Iuno Aedis Sacerdotes

Magnae Matris Deum Aedis Sacerdotes

Mentis Aedis Sacerdotes

Minervae Aedis Sacerdotes

Neptuni Aedis Sacerdotes

Palatuae Aedis Sacerdotes

Flamines Minores:

Flamen Carmentalis

Flamen Cerealis

Flamen Falacer

Flamen Florealis

Flamen Palatualis

Flamen Portunalis - under direct supervision and training of current flamen

Petronius Dexter.

Flamen Volcanalis

Flamen Volturnalis

Virgines Vestales 5 positions

Quirites!

Let's celebrate the founding of Rome with great interest and effective serving the Roman Religion.

VALETE,

Sabinus

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SALVE!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

> I think we all know that Metellus has been anything but on leave.>>>

At that time when the item was discussed he was:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/message/268

More than that, today, he removed the Senators Tullia Scholastica and Popillius Laenas from the CP list even if the SC voted at the midle of November last year, article 9, give them the right to subscribe on the CP list:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/SC_2763_Nov._1-1_%28Nova_Roma%29

Strange things!

VALE,
Sabinus


He is the
> one Pontiff that I am aware of that actually does their responsibility by
> actually summoning the CP into session, which it is or about to be....if I
> recall correctly. No other Pontiff does that.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > SALVETE!
> >
> > Just to remind to anyone (including the one who was on leave at that time
> > and voted by proxy) that the current call for minor priesthood positions is
> > the first step of what the CP approved as Item III:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/message/277
> >
> > VALETE,
> > Sabinus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Q Caecilius Metellus
> > <q.caecilius.metellus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Q Caecilius Metellus pontifex Quiritibus sal.
> > >
> > > Saluete, Quirites.
> > >
> > > Surely you have seen by now the solicitation from pontifex T Iulius,
> > > seeking applicants for various priesthoods within our organisation.
> > > Naturally, if that was missed, the pontifex L Iulia saw it fitting to
> > > solicit individuals again, reposting the original missive. Two
> > > individuals have responded to the solicitation publicly; I cannot say
> > > who has, or how many have, responded privately.
> > >
> > > The Collegium Pontificum, for whatever reason, sees it perfectly fitting
> > > to simply work toward the business of filling positions, as evidenced by
> > > the posting of these solicitations, in this forum and at least one
> > > other. It has been determined that it is of great importance to simply
> > > fill the seats, and individuals have responded to the call that has been
> > > made. The Collegium Pontificum seeks to put individuals into positions
> > > of authority, real or imagined, and responsibility, positions with
> > > duties to the Res Publica.
> > >
> > > Titus Iulius Sabinus and Lucia Iulia Aquila have found it most
> > > appropriate to fill open positions, both within the Collegium Pontificum
> > > and outside of it. The responsibility attendant to these positions is
> > > of no little magnitude. Indeed, it rests with the holders of these
> > > positions to work toward, as I have many times said, ensuring the safety
> > > and welfare of the Res Publica by working to maintain the Gods'
> > > satisfaction with our organisation. But what, precisely, is one to do?
> > >
> > > What a great question! There is no job description, for any of these
> > > open positions. There is no set of expectations of performance. There
> > > is not even any stated expectations of education and experience. At
> > > present, all that exists is a job *title*, and *entitlements*. There is
> > > nothing more than that.
> > >
> > > Yet, there are decrees in place, subjecting the holders of these offices
> > > to unclear, undefined, and outright unstated expectations of
> > > performance. One is expected to perform in one's position, without even
> > > the benefit of knowing specifically what must be performed or how.
> > >
> > > There is an expectation, too, that the holders of these positions be
> > > experts in the various areas of the cultus publicus. Yet, too, there
> > > are no clear expectations laid out by the Collegium Pontificum, with
> > > respect to the education and training these individuals must, or even
> > > should, have, prior to being brought into a position. Indeed, our
> > > 'expert' on any given sphere of reference could, under current operating
> > > procedure, be the single most ignorant individual on the topics at hand.
> > >
> > > What too, as we consider all this, for the holders of the priesthood?
> > > Surely they cannot be expected to finance all their works, as servants
> > > of the Res Publica. Nevertheless, they most certainly must, in our
> > > current situation, as our currently approved tax rate can not be
> > > expected to do anything toward helping with that enterprise: it cannot
> > > even be expected to pay even the most minimal of our current operating
> > > expenses. But I digress....
> > >
> > > The current situation is such that individuals are brought into
> > > positions, left to fly blindly in the dark. They are expected to
> > > perform duties, without any duties being defined. They are expected to
> > > be experts, without any declaration of how they are to be so. They are
> > > expected to fulfil responsibilities, without any stated
> > > responsibilities. At the end, they are evaluated on their performance,
> > > without any guidance on how or what they were to have performed.
> > >
> > > This, Quirites, is the situation into which Titus Iulius Sabinus, the
> > > chosen pontifex maximus, and Lucia Iulia Aquila, recently co-opted
> > > pontifex, wish to bring you. These are the kinds of experts these two
> > > wish to provide you. This is how the cultus publicus is to continue.
> > >
> > > All this, though, is neverminding the list provided in the
> > > solicitations. As it were, that list which has been so graciously
> > > provided, is in itself either erroneous or incomplete, howsoever you
> > > prefer. There are a number of "lesser priesthoods" listed, yet those
> > > are only positions which have been held by individuals in the past.
> > > Surely the extensive experience of these pontifices would grant them the
> > > history of that list, one which only listed the deities currently having
> > > a sacerdos in service; as noted originally atop that list, "Please note
> > > that since there are many Gods and Goddesses from the Roman World, all
> > > the possible Sacerdos Priesthood positions cannot be listed here." As
> > > it were, in the past, listings were removed when there was no current
> > > sacerdos, which has not been the case in the recent past. But my time
> > > and experience in Nova Roma, and the same as a pontifex, perhaps grant
> > > me greater, well, education and experience, to know how this
> > > authoritative list came into being.
> > >
> > > How does one build a house without blueprints? And pity be upon the
> > > architect, who builds the house, and is told in the end, that it is not
> > > up to the desires of the purchaser.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Ave!

What I don't get is that whenever someone voices an opinion that criticizes
other individuals the first response is to toss back....so what have you
done? Maior was FAMOUS for that or should I say INFAMOUS for it....If you
cannot substantively answer his critical statements maybe it is time to
reflect that his criticisms are valid and action needs to be halted for
proper reflection.

I know when I wrote the CFO Proposal I made sure there was a job description
about what is expected. To my knowlendge no religio position has any
description - hence inactive Pontiffs and relying on a statement of this is
what I have done this year is just not proper way of conducting and making
sure that a position is adequately needed or filled. So maybe if you cannot
counter Metellus's claims subsantively...you in the CP should go back in the
drawing board and work out detailed job descriptions from the top
down....Pontifex Maximus and Pontiffs (since both are equal) then the
Augurs....then the Major Flamines..then the Minor..Flamens. And you know
what maybe if this was done the BS that happened about the Rex Sacorum would
never have happened earlier this year? Perhaps?

Vale,

Sulla

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...

> wrote:

> Ave!
>
> You are asking what Metellus does? Seriously?
>
> The Calendar does not count?
> Making sure the Auspices are conducted correctly - remember the crap
> Modianus pulled? I dont think you have that short of a memory Iulia :)
> Preparing the Calendar for the next 10 years in advance?
> SUMMONING the CP?
>
> That is not enough to show an active pontiff? Really? Then I suggest all
> the Pontiffs should resign!
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:03 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Iulia Caecilio omnibusque S.P.D.
>>
>>
>> >It has been determined that it is of great importance to simply
>> >fill the seats,
>>
>> There is no "simply" about it. As Pontifex it is a duty to not just talk
>> about a program, but to be proactive and teach, to mentor, for real (as
>> opposed to imagine)those Sacerdotes in need of instruction as I had been
>> doing for our Vestal complete with a lesson, reading material and a weekly
>> meeting to discuss said lesson and reading material - and this shall resume
>> when she is ready. In addition any student of mine will know that I am
>> available as needed.
>> Pontifex Maximus Sabinus is aware of this endeavor.
>>
>> I learned initially through mentorship and study and have continued my
>> studies throughout the decades, and continue to this day - this was how the
>> priesthoods taught in ancient times - we have no written programs of
>> priesthood for the religio. They may not have existed or may not have
>> survived, regardless they do not exist for us at this moment. This
>> methodical training occurs within the Vedic and Yahwist religions mainly
>> because they have several specific religious texts - even at that those
>> religions were well developed before actual ritual actions were written
>> down. Look it up. We do not have that resource.
>>
>> I am proud to say I still have mentors every now and again and there is
>> always something new for me to learn. Education in the Religio is should be
>> ongoing which contributes to a competent Sacerdos, Flamine and Pontifex.
>>
>> It is a dignified and wise action to bring this up within the CP rather
>> than post a rant on the ML about something you, yourself, should take the
>> initiative to offer the services of your knowledge to a Camillii who needs
>> such mentorship. An instruction project was mentioned in the CP and an
>> effort was made to get the CP to begin work on the education of Camillii and
>> Sacerdotes - with no response from you to lend a hand. A fairly
>> comprehensive outline, an encyclopedia as Pontifex Petronius called it, was
>> presented, that also served as rough guideline for teaching Camillii and
>> Sacerdotes - but not a word or suggestion from you. It is in the files and
>> ready to be built upon.
>> So I must ask, since you have not had the benefit of a training program
>> does this mean you are not qualified to be Pontifex?
>> Certainly not say I.
>>
>> The time and energy it took to write this rant you could have created a
>> basic outline for one lesson for aspiring Sacerdotes.
>>
>> In short I am a Pontifex of action who can lay aside her pointy hat and
>> walk amongst the citizens and offer a hand in public or in privatum. I have
>> spoken to those interested, which includes one of the applicants, even on
>> facebook. Rather than simply write missives, I do the actual work, online
>> with the citizens, as well as offline with living breathing cultores. I know
>> Pontifex Sabinus to be this sort of Pontifex as well.
>>
>> Simul triumphamus, Pontifex Metelle. Are you ready to begin the work
>> Pontifex Metelle?
>>
>> I also know one of the applicants to be a studious cultore who has been
>> practicing the religio for some time and has a wonderful blog.
>> I walk the walk Pontifex Metelle, do you? Until now I have not felt the
>> need to paste "what I do" all over Nova Roma because it is a duty and should
>> be expected, but I do so now in answer to your missive.
>> When was the last time you performed a ritual in honor of the Gods to
>> benefit the public?
>> My last time was April 28th to Flora at my outdoor sacullum, on April 1st
>> the Veneralia ritual was done at the area and lagoon consecrated to Venus.
>> (To name two as April is a very busy month) Every morning a ritual is
>> offered to Venus.
>>
>> Quirites, I offer the hand of mentorship to any new Camilla/us or any
>> co-opted Sacerdos so he or she can contribute to ensuring the safety
>> and welfare of our Res Publica by working to maintain the Gods'
>> satisfaction with our organization.
>>
>> Bene valete in pacem deorum
>>
>> L. Iulia Aquila
>> Sacerdos Veneris Genetricis
>> Pontifex Nov� Rom�
>> http://aedesvenusgenetrix.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Securum in tenebris me facit esse Venus
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > SALVETE!
>> >
>> > Just to remind to anyone (including the one who was on leave at that
>> time and voted by proxy) that the current call for minor priesthood
>> positions is the first step of what the CP approved as Item III:
>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/message/277
>> >
>> > VALETE,
>> > Sabinus
>> >
>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Q Caecilius Metellus
>> <q.caecilius.metellus@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Q Caecilius Metellus pontifex Quiritibus sal.
>> > >
>> > > Saluete, Quirites.
>> > >
>> > > Surely you have seen by now the solicitation from pontifex T Iulius,
>> > > seeking applicants for various priesthoods within our organisation.
>> > > Naturally, if that was missed, the pontifex L Iulia saw it fitting to
>> > > solicit individuals again, reposting the original missive. Two
>> > > individuals have responded to the solicitation publicly; I cannot say
>> > > who has, or how many have, responded privately.
>> > >
>> > > The Collegium Pontificum, for whatever reason, sees it perfectly
>> fitting
>> > > to simply work toward the business of filling positions, as evidenced
>> by
>> > > the posting of these solicitations, in this forum and at least one
>> > > other. It has been determined that it is of great importance to simply
>> > > fill the seats, and individuals have responded to the call that has
>> been
>> > > made. The Collegium Pontificum seeks to put individuals into positions
>> > > of authority, real or imagined, and responsibility, positions with
>> > > duties to the Res Publica.
>> > >
>> > > Titus Iulius Sabinus and Lucia Iulia Aquila have found it most
>> > > appropriate to fill open positions, both within the Collegium
>> Pontificum
>> > > and outside of it. The responsibility attendant to these positions is
>> > > of no little magnitude. Indeed, it rests with the holders of these
>> > > positions to work toward, as I have many times said, But what,
>> precisely, is one to do?
>>
>> > >
>> > > What a great question! There is no job description, for any of these
>> > > open positions. There is no set of expectations of performance. There
>> > > is not even any stated expectations of education and experience. At
>> > > present, all that exists is a job *title*, and *entitlements*. There
>> is
>> > > nothing more than that.
>> > >
>> > > Yet, there are decrees in place, subjecting the holders of these
>> offices
>> > > to unclear, undefined, and outright unstated expectations of
>> > > performance. One is expected to perform in one's position, without
>> even
>> > > the benefit of knowing specifically what must be performed or how.
>> > >
>> > > There is an expectation, too, that the holders of these positions be
>> > > experts in the various areas of the cultus publicus. Yet, too, there
>> > > are no clear expectations laid out by the Collegium Pontificum, with
>> > > respect to the education and training these individuals must, or even
>> > > should, have, prior to being brought into a position. Indeed, our
>> > > 'expert' on any given sphere of reference could, under current
>> operating
>> > > procedure, be the single most ignorant individual on the topics at
>> hand.
>> > >
>> > > What too, as we consider all this, for the holders of the priesthood?
>> > > Surely they cannot be expected to finance all their works, as servants
>> > > of the Res Publica. Nevertheless, they most certainly must, in our
>> > > current situation, as our currently approved tax rate can not be
>> > > expected to do anything toward helping with that enterprise: it cannot
>> > > even be expected to pay even the most minimal of our current operating
>> > > expenses. But I digress....
>> > >
>> > > The current situation is such that individuals are brought into
>> > > positions, left to fly blindly in the dark. They are expected to
>> > > perform duties, without any duties being defined. They are expected to
>> > > be experts, without any declaration of how they are to be so. They are
>> > > expected to fulfil responsibilities, without any stated
>> > > responsibilities. At the end, they are evaluated on their performance,
>> > > without any guidance on how or what they were to have performed.
>> > >
>> > > This, Quirites, is the situation into which Titus Iulius Sabinus, the
>> > > chosen pontifex maximus, and Lucia Iulia Aquila, recently co-opted
>> > > pontifex, wish to bring you. These are the kinds of experts these two
>> > > wish to provide you. This is how the cultus publicus is to continue.
>> > >
>> > > All this, though, is neverminding the list provided in the
>> > > solicitations. As it were, that list which has been so graciously
>> > > provided, is in itself either erroneous or incomplete, howsoever you
>> > > prefer. There are a number of "lesser priesthoods" listed, yet those
>> > > are only positions which have been held by individuals in the past.
>> > > Surely the extensive experience of these pontifices would grant them
>> the
>> > > history of that list, one which only listed the deities currently
>> having
>> > > a sacerdos in service; as noted originally atop that list, "Please
>> note
>> > > that since there are many Gods and Goddesses from the Roman World, all
>> > > the possible Sacerdos Priesthood positions cannot be listed here." As
>> > > it were, in the past, listings were removed when there was no current
>> > > sacerdos, which has not been the case in the recent past. But my time
>> > > and experience in Nova Roma, and the same as a pontifex, perhaps grant
>> > > me greater, well, education and experience, to know how this
>> > > authoritative list came into being.
>> > >
>> > > How does one build a house without blueprints? And pity be upon the
>> > > architect, who builds the house, and is told in the end, that it is
>> not
>> > > up to the desires of the purchaser.
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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