Ave Sulla,

The remark regarding the CFO was not a deflection. We have become suspicious of one another (as a whole, not just you and I) and this colors a lot of our attitudes and responses. When I mentioned the CFO position it was in a good light and to let you know that not only do I know you inherited more problems than anyone else would care to take on but I trust you will straighten it out. You should expect patience from the citizens and I will defend you if someone would become inpatient. We spoke ear to ear about the CFO position so I know what you are up against.
I just ask you to be patient with the CP, lets act as fellow citizens, humanely towards each other and not rip each other to bits but to assist each other in our endeavors to the good of the respublica.

Have a good night Sulla

Vale

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave!
>
> Iulia, Iulia, Iulia...ah Iulia Iulia where do I begin! You know what...I
> stand by what I said...disrespectful or not. It certainly DID NOT need to
> go there except for the fact that Sabinus tried to defend his position and
> failed..not only failed but FAILED miserable. As I clearly pointed out and
> he basically agreed.
>
> Sabinus was more than capable of creating the email list after the purge of
> Piscinus. FACT
> Sabinus created the description of the email list that he created. FACT
> Sabinus ok'ed the change that Metellus did in November 3rd. FACT
>
> Just with that alone he has more than a passing grasp of English enough to
> follow those basic instructions. This isnt speaking, this is reading and
> comprehension, which is DIFFERENT than speaking. So, no I disagree with you
> the premise is actually fair and it undercuts any attempt to defect the
> issue at hand.
>
> The CP list issue is a deadhorse now that the description has been changed
> (by Sabinus) and Senators (myself included) are being added.
>
> The other issues are still alive and well and no where near done being
> beaten.
>
> Respect and dignitas is something that is earned but can easily be eroded as
> well by behavior that is not exactly ethical that is my issue with this,
> hence my involvement in this matter the coverup and deflection I found to be
> despicable and then we have Scholastica's attempt to try to put malicious
> intent involved which was utter BS. And absolutely necessary to be called
> out on public since again she was proven to be wrong.
>
> The CFO stuff is just a red herring since it is not applicable at all to the
> discussion or any discussion beyond issues I have been raising with the
> Consuls and Paulinus, but again, nice try at deflection.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:44 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ave Sulla
> >
> > Being disrespectful will not get anything done Sulla you told Sabinus that
> > he is "clearly competent enough to create the new list so using the English
> > card just is not going to fly." I have a few foreign friends who, while I
> > think they speak good English (better than Sabinus whose I think speaks
> > well), have difficulty understanding when hammered (the tactic you mentioned
> > to Scholastica), esp. when idioms etc. are used. My friends do write in
> > English but it takes them quite a while, and can be difficult while they do
> > fairly well at reading. I have problems writing in other languages as well,
> > but can read much better (this is common btw) and would defer to a native
> > speaker. Your tactic is unfair. The premise is unfair. Your needling and
> > hammering and wordplay/twisting to suit your opinion is conduct unbecoming a
> > Senator. English speaking folk did not notice the text was not changed
> > either.
> >
> > Sulla, this has gone on long enough. A question was asked of Metellus by
> > Sabinus, and I asked that question as well, without accusation or
> > assumption. A reasonable answer was given and well met. It's over.
> >
> > We are now at the point of beating a dead horse. We have more serious
> > issues to expend our energy on. In your position of the CFO for example, it
> > is a hard job and you are up against many obstacles – rather than needling
> > Sabinus you could have been getting some of it done. Metellus could have
> > written one job description by now. You know, that old saying, if you are
> > not part of the solution than you are part of the problem.
> >
> > So let's move on. Feel free to email me.
> >
> > Bene vale
> >
> > Julia
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > SALVE!
> > > Â
> >
> > > Ok. I accept that. The Senators members of the CP list were not able to
> > update the list description.
> > > However that doesn’t allow anyone to remove Senators based of lists
> > description as time the law states otherwise. Not knowing the law is not an
> > excuse. No one from those you mentioned here (4 Senators) don't removed the
> > other subscribed Senators. I guess you understand my point.
> > >
> > > Â
> >
> > > VALE,
> > > Sabinus
> > >
> > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fw: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 2:53 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Ave!
> > >
> > > I understand that. And this is why I pointed out that there were 4
> >
> > > individuals who are in the Senate list who are also in the CP list who
> > > should have said..."Yo, the Senate just passed this SC. Do we need to
> > do
> >
> > > any housekeeping to be in compliance with the SC? OH YEAH yes we do..we
> > need
> > > to change the description of the CP list!"
> > >
> > > But that was NOT DONE
> > >
> > > Those four individuals are:
> > >
> > > Sabinus,
> > > Fabius,
> > > Dexter
> > > Agricola
> > >
> > > The CP failed to keep proper house cleaning. You proved my point.Â
> > This is
> > > why I suggested you stop digging the hole for your own benefit. WOW
> > this is
> >
> > > becoming an almost BA joke thread!
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:48 PM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@
> > ...>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > SALVE!
> > > >
> > > > Even if one can think in the way you think I remind you that the SC
> > > > allowing Senators on the various official NR lists was approved on the
> > 14
> > > > Nov. Eleven days after the description was wrote.
> > > > I agreed with the Metellus text in the same way as any pontifex agreed
> > with
> > > > it, as time that was a communication among all pontifices.
> > > > Therefore I will not stop. You think I will stop when I just started?
> > No
> > > > way.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > VALE,
> > > > Sabinus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > Claudius
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> >
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fw: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 2:40 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ave!
> > > >
> > > > Sabinus, you need to stop. You are digging your hole even worse!!Â
> > Stop
> >
> > > > Digging! This just goes to show that you OKd Metellus's change on
> > November
> > > > 3rd that Senators were not allowed to be members to the CP list.Â
> > Hence,
> >
> > > > without the SC and the necessary house cleaning the CP should have
> > done,
> > > > everything Metellus did was absolutely correct.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:37 PM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@
> >
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Priority for native speakers even if my written description was not
> > so
> > > > bad.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sabinus
> > > > >
> > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > Claudius
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Wed, 11/3/10, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@>
> >
> > > > > Subject: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > To: "Quintus Caecilius Metellus" <q.caecilius.metellus@>
> >
> > > > > Cc: collegium_pontificum_nr-owner@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 8:17 AM
> > > > >
> > > > > SALVE!
> > > > >
> > > > > No problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > VALE,
> > > > > Sabinus
> > > > >
> > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > Claudius
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Wed, 11/3/10, Quintus Caecilius Metellus <
> > > > > q.caecilius.metellus@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@>
> >
> > > > > Subject: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > To: collegium_pontificum_nr-owner@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 7:44 AM
> > > > >
> > > > > Saluete iterum, Collegae:
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to make you all aware (again) of a slight change I've made,
> > > > > this time to the group description. I have only changed it to
> > clarify
> > > > > its language. It read previously:
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > "The Collegium Pontificum of Nova Roma. Membership is restricted. The
> > > > > messages archive is open to public."
> > > > >
> > > > > As I have changed it, the text is now:
> > > > >
> > > > > "The Collegium Pontificum of Nova Roma. Membership is restricted to
> > > > > the members of the Collegium Pontificum and the Consules.
> > Subscription
> > > > > requests aside from these will be rejected. The message archive is
> > > > > open to the public."
> > > > >
> > > > > It is my hope that with the minor additions I have made, citizens
> > will
> > > > > better understand why their subscription requests are being refused.
> > > > > Again, this change can be easily reverted if it is desirable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Valete Optime!
> > > > >
> > > > > Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >Â
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve Maria,

Thank you for your input and your suppor.
Patience is the key - hopefully we will learn to trust each other as well.

Vale

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
>
> I have been reading the two current discussions, and I will try very hard to
> address only the issues involved. Concerning the Yahoo list description and
> the removal of senators, yes, the ball got dropped. The list description
> should have been changed. The moment this Senatus Consultum was passed.
> Since that did not happen, one of the senators on the CP list or one of the
> C P members themselves should have pointed out the discrepancy. Obviously,
> that did not happen either. Yes, this is not good housekeeping, and we
> should certainly be more careful. It might have been better had Metellus
> simply changed the list description and left the senators subscribed,
> especially since a Yahoo group list description does not supersede the laws
> of our Res publica. The problem has been fixed, and I hope that we can stop
> apportioning blame, learn from our errors, and do better next time.
>
> As to the matter of the selection and training of priests, all have made
> pertinent and valuable points. I will say, and I can say from experience
> that Julia Aquila Pontifex , And Q. Caecillius Metellus Pontifex have both
> worked with me extensively and been most helpful.
>
> We are just in the process of revamping our training program, and it will
> take time. However, I firmly believe that the C P is fully aware of the
> vital nature and seriousness of having well-trained, well qualified priests.
> There are things that people should know before they even apply, most
> assuredly; and there are things that they must learn after they have been
> accepted into training. There are, also, things that must be present. That
> cannot be learned. These things are internal and have to do with attitudes,
> demeanor, and reverence. These things cannot be taught but they can be
> demonstrated, especially in an interview process. We have a great deal of
> work to do, and from what I am seeing, we are well started.
>
> Yes, we have asked for interested people to contact the CP. But that is
> only the first step in what will be a fairly long and involved process, and
> those who contact us are not guaranteed anything.
>
> I think the input of all citizens is important, because it is only through
> that input that we can learn the expectations of our citizens concerning how
> we conduct the Sacra publica. I would hope that such input would be offered
> in the spirit of helpfulness and respect, since, ultimately, we all have the
> same goal.
>
> When Pontifex Maximus Sabbinus took office, he had much to concern him, and
> he has done, as far as I am concerned, an admirable job.
>
> I respectfully propose that the CP prepare a set of expectations for each
> priesthood consisting of two parts. The first part would apply to all
> religious officials, and the second part would be specific to the priesthood
> involved. I think this would address the issues that Metellus Pontifex has
> raised, and it would also be helpful to any applicant wishing to serve our
> Republic. I also asked respectfully, for the support of our citizens in
> what the CP is trying to do. Please make suggestions, but also, please be
> patient with us.
>
> Valete bene.
> C. Maria Caeca
>

SALVE!

No, Sulla, I don't agree with you. You can try with all your efforts to cover the Metellus uninspired action removing Senators finding other divagations from the subject, I assure you that the facts remain facts.
Even if the list description was not updated the Senators subscription on the list was not an issue. The proof is that the Senators who asked for subscription were subscribed until a few days ago when Metellus decided to remove them based of the list description. I asked Metellus why he done that and he answer correct. I don't find any fault as time is possible - but not desirable - as one to not know which our laws are. They are many and not all our co-fellows pay attention to them. When it comes about you, the things are different. You are Senator and from the past messages here, is very visible that you don't know what you voted in the Senate. That is more sustained by the fact that until now you read the CP messages from the yahoo group. Therefore the list description was under your eyes all the time. Here come two alternatives:
- you don't observed it and even if observed you didn't paid attention to it as time you are ignorant when it comes about our laws.
- you observed it and used Metellus as your tool to start another debate in order to aliment your frustrations.
I will not analyze the alternatives. They don't deserve more analysis. Both of them show for sure only one thing: you are lamentable.

VALE,
Sabinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave!
>
> Iulia, Iulia, Iulia...ah Iulia Iulia where do I begin! You know what...I
> stand by what I said...disrespectful or not. It certainly DID NOT need to
> go there except for the fact that Sabinus tried to defend his position and
> failed..not only failed but FAILED miserable. As I clearly pointed out and
> he basically agreed.
>
> Sabinus was more than capable of creating the email list after the purge of
> Piscinus. FACT
> Sabinus created the description of the email list that he created. FACT
> Sabinus ok'ed the change that Metellus did in November 3rd. FACT
>
> Just with that alone he has more than a passing grasp of English enough to
> follow those basic instructions. This isnt speaking, this is reading and
> comprehension, which is DIFFERENT than speaking. So, no I disagree with you
> the premise is actually fair and it undercuts any attempt to defect the
> issue at hand.
>
> The CP list issue is a deadhorse now that the description has been changed
> (by Sabinus) and Senators (myself included) are being added.
>
> The other issues are still alive and well and no where near done being
> beaten.
>
> Respect and dignitas is something that is earned but can easily be eroded as
> well by behavior that is not exactly ethical that is my issue with this,
> hence my involvement in this matter the coverup and deflection I found to be
> despicable and then we have Scholastica's attempt to try to put malicious
> intent involved which was utter BS. And absolutely necessary to be called
> out on public since again she was proven to be wrong.
>
> The CFO stuff is just a red herring since it is not applicable at all to the
> discussion or any discussion beyond issues I have been raising with the
> Consuls and Paulinus, but again, nice try at deflection.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:44 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ave Sulla
> >
> > Being disrespectful will not get anything done Sulla you told Sabinus that
> > he is "clearly competent enough to create the new list so using the English
> > card just is not going to fly." I have a few foreign friends who, while I
> > think they speak good English (better than Sabinus whose I think speaks
> > well), have difficulty understanding when hammered (the tactic you mentioned
> > to Scholastica), esp. when idioms etc. are used. My friends do write in
> > English but it takes them quite a while, and can be difficult while they do
> > fairly well at reading. I have problems writing in other languages as well,
> > but can read much better (this is common btw) and would defer to a native
> > speaker. Your tactic is unfair. The premise is unfair. Your needling and
> > hammering and wordplay/twisting to suit your opinion is conduct unbecoming a
> > Senator. English speaking folk did not notice the text was not changed
> > either.
> >
> > Sulla, this has gone on long enough. A question was asked of Metellus by
> > Sabinus, and I asked that question as well, without accusation or
> > assumption. A reasonable answer was given and well met. It's over.
> >
> > We are now at the point of beating a dead horse. We have more serious
> > issues to expend our energy on. In your position of the CFO for example, it
> > is a hard job and you are up against many obstacles – rather than needling
> > Sabinus you could have been getting some of it done. Metellus could have
> > written one job description by now. You know, that old saying, if you are
> > not part of the solution than you are part of the problem.
> >
> > So let's move on. Feel free to email me.
> >
> > Bene vale
> >
> > Julia
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > SALVE!
> > > Â
> >
> > > Ok. I accept that. The Senators members of the CP list were not able to
> > update the list description.
> > > However that doesn’t allow anyone to remove Senators based of lists
> > description as time the law states otherwise. Not knowing the law is not an
> > excuse. No one from those you mentioned here (4 Senators) don't removed the
> > other subscribed Senators. I guess you understand my point.
> > >
> > > Â
> >
> > > VALE,
> > > Sabinus
> > >
> > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fw: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 2:53 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Ave!
> > >
> > > I understand that. And this is why I pointed out that there were 4
> >
> > > individuals who are in the Senate list who are also in the CP list who
> > > should have said..."Yo, the Senate just passed this SC. Do we need to
> > do
> >
> > > any housekeeping to be in compliance with the SC? OH YEAH yes we do..we
> > need
> > > to change the description of the CP list!"
> > >
> > > But that was NOT DONE
> > >
> > > Those four individuals are:
> > >
> > > Sabinus,
> > > Fabius,
> > > Dexter
> > > Agricola
> > >
> > > The CP failed to keep proper house cleaning. You proved my point.Â
> > This is
> > > why I suggested you stop digging the hole for your own benefit. WOW
> > this is
> >
> > > becoming an almost BA joke thread!
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:48 PM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@
> > ...>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > SALVE!
> > > >
> > > > Even if one can think in the way you think I remind you that the SC
> > > > allowing Senators on the various official NR lists was approved on the
> > 14
> > > > Nov. Eleven days after the description was wrote.
> > > > I agreed with the Metellus text in the same way as any pontifex agreed
> > with
> > > > it, as time that was a communication among all pontifices.
> > > > Therefore I will not stop. You think I will stop when I just started?
> > No
> > > > way.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > VALE,
> > > > Sabinus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > Claudius
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> >
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fw: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 2:40 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ave!
> > > >
> > > > Sabinus, you need to stop. You are digging your hole even worse!!Â
> > Stop
> >
> > > > Digging! This just goes to show that you OKd Metellus's change on
> > November
> > > > 3rd that Senators were not allowed to be members to the CP list.Â
> > Hence,
> >
> > > > without the SC and the necessary house cleaning the CP should have
> > done,
> > > > everything Metellus did was absolutely correct.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:37 PM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@
> >
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Priority for native speakers even if my written description was not
> > so
> > > > bad.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sabinus
> > > > >
> > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > Claudius
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Wed, 11/3/10, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@>
> >
> > > > > Subject: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > To: "Quintus Caecilius Metellus" <q.caecilius.metellus@>
> >
> > > > > Cc: collegium_pontificum_nr-owner@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 8:17 AM
> > > > >
> > > > > SALVE!
> > > > >
> > > > > No problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > VALE,
> > > > > Sabinus
> > > > >
> > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > Claudius
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Wed, 11/3/10, Quintus Caecilius Metellus <
> > > > > q.caecilius.metellus@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@>
> >
> > > > > Subject: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > To: collegium_pontificum_nr-owner@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 7:44 AM
> > > > >
> > > > > Saluete iterum, Collegae:
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to make you all aware (again) of a slight change I've made,
> > > > > this time to the group description. I have only changed it to
> > clarify
> > > > > its language. It read previously:
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > "The Collegium Pontificum of Nova Roma. Membership is restricted. The
> > > > > messages archive is open to public."
> > > > >
> > > > > As I have changed it, the text is now:
> > > > >
> > > > > "The Collegium Pontificum of Nova Roma. Membership is restricted to
> > > > > the members of the Collegium Pontificum and the Consules.
> > Subscription
> > > > > requests aside from these will be rejected. The message archive is
> > > > > open to the public."
> > > > >
> > > > > It is my hope that with the minor additions I have made, citizens
> > will
> > > > > better understand why their subscription requests are being refused.
> > > > > Again, this change can be easily reverted if it is desirable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Valete Optime!
> > > > >
> > > > > Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >Â
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Ave!

I listed the facts.

You stated you accepted them. But fine, whatever, the facts are there and
apparent and documented.

And, I have personally observed the CP list, as I stated at the beginning of
this entire issue I would have to go to Yahoogroups log in...and search for
the CP list since I was not subscribed to them. Remember when I asked about
questions when Modianus was becoming Rex and I asked questions on the ML and
you answered them?

I used Metellus as my tool...Wow you sound like Piscinus and Modianus! Next
you will be calling him my Padawan!

Vale,

Sulla

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:

>
>
> SALVE!
>
> No, Sulla, I don't agree with you. You can try with all your efforts to
> cover the Metellus uninspired action removing Senators finding other
> divagations from the subject, I assure you that the facts remain facts.
> Even if the list description was not updated the Senators subscription on
> the list was not an issue. The proof is that the Senators who asked for
> subscription were subscribed until a few days ago when Metellus decided to
> remove them based of the list description. I asked Metellus why he done that
> and he answer correct. I don't find any fault as time is possible - but not
> desirable - as one to not know which our laws are. They are many and not all
> our co-fellows pay attention to them. When it comes about you, the things
> are different. You are Senator and from the past messages here, is very
> visible that you don't know what you voted in the Senate. That is more
> sustained by the fact that until now you read the CP messages from the yahoo
> group. Therefore the list description was under your eyes all the time. Here
> come two alternatives:
> - you don't observed it and even if observed you didn't paid attention to
> it as time you are ignorant when it comes about our laws.
> - you observed it and used Metellus as your tool to start another debate in
> order to aliment your frustrations.
> I will not analyze the alternatives. They don't deserve more analysis. Both
> of them show for sure only one thing: you are lamentable.
>
> VALE,
> Sabinus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ave!
> >
> > Iulia, Iulia, Iulia...ah Iulia Iulia where do I begin! You know what...I
> > stand by what I said...disrespectful or not. It certainly DID NOT need to
> > go there except for the fact that Sabinus tried to defend his position
> and
> > failed..not only failed but FAILED miserable. As I clearly pointed out
> and
> > he basically agreed.
> >
> > Sabinus was more than capable of creating the email list after the purge
> of
> > Piscinus. FACT
> > Sabinus created the description of the email list that he created. FACT
> > Sabinus ok'ed the change that Metellus did in November 3rd. FACT
> >
> > Just with that alone he has more than a passing grasp of English enough
> to
> > follow those basic instructions. This isnt speaking, this is reading and
> > comprehension, which is DIFFERENT than speaking. So, no I disagree with
> you
> > the premise is actually fair and it undercuts any attempt to defect the
> > issue at hand.
> >
> > The CP list issue is a deadhorse now that the description has been
> changed
> > (by Sabinus) and Senators (myself included) are being added.
> >
> > The other issues are still alive and well and no where near done being
> > beaten.
> >
> > Respect and dignitas is something that is earned but can easily be eroded
> as
> > well by behavior that is not exactly ethical that is my issue with this,
> > hence my involvement in this matter the coverup and deflection I found to
> be
> > despicable and then we have Scholastica's attempt to try to put malicious
> > intent involved which was utter BS. And absolutely necessary to be called
> > out on public since again she was proven to be wrong.
> >
> > The CFO stuff is just a red herring since it is not applicable at all to
> the
> > discussion or any discussion beyond issues I have been raising with the
> > Consuls and Paulinus, but again, nice try at deflection.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:44 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> > luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ave Sulla
> > >
> > > Being disrespectful will not get anything done Sulla you told Sabinus
> that
> > > he is "clearly competent enough to create the new list so using the
> English
> > > card just is not going to fly." I have a few foreign friends who, while
> I
> > > think they speak good English (better than Sabinus whose I think speaks
> > > well), have difficulty understanding when hammered (the tactic you
> mentioned
> > > to Scholastica), esp. when idioms etc. are used. My friends do write in
> > > English but it takes them quite a while, and can be difficult while
> they do
> > > fairly well at reading. I have problems writing in other languages as
> well,
> > > but can read much better (this is common btw) and would defer to a
> native
> > > speaker. Your tactic is unfair. The premise is unfair. Your needling
> and
> > > hammering and wordplay/twisting to suit your opinion is conduct
> unbecoming a
> > > Senator. English speaking folk did not notice the text was not changed
> > > either.
> > >
> > > Sulla, this has gone on long enough. A question was asked of Metellus
> by
> > > Sabinus, and I asked that question as well, without accusation or
> > > assumption. A reasonable answer was given and well met. It's over.
> > >
> > > We are now at the point of beating a dead horse. We have more serious
> > > issues to expend our energy on. In your position of the CFO for
> example, it
> > > is a hard job and you are up against many obstacles � rather than
> needling
> > > Sabinus you could have been getting some of it done. Metellus could
> have
> > > written one job description by now. You know, that old saying, if you
> are
> > > not part of the solution than you are part of the problem.
> > >
> > > So let's move on. Feel free to email me.
> > >
> > > Bene vale
> > >
> > > Julia
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > SALVE!
> > > > �
> > >
> > > > Ok. I accept that. The Senators members of the CP list were not able
> to
> > > update the list description.
> > > > However that doesn���t allow anyone to remove Senators based of lists
> > > description as time the law states otherwise. Not knowing the law is
> not an
> > > excuse. No one from those you mentioned here (4 Senators) don't removed
> the
> > > other subscribed Senators. I guess you understand my point.
> > > >
> > > > �
> > >
> > > > VALE,
> > > > Sabinus
> > > >
> > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> Claudius
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fw: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 2:53 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ave!
> > > >
> > > > I understand that.� And this is why I pointed out that there were 4
> > >
> > > > individuals who are in the Senate list who are also in the CP list
> who
> > > > should have said..."Yo, the Senate just passed this SC.� Do we need
> to
> > > do
> > >
> > > > any housekeeping to be in compliance with the SC? OH YEAH yes we
> do..we
> > > need
> > > > to change the description of the CP list!"
> > > >
> > > > But that was NOT DONE
> > > >
> > > > Those four individuals are:
> > > >
> > > > Sabinus,
> > > > Fabius,
> > > > Dexter
> > > > Agricola
> > > >
> > > > The CP failed to keep proper house cleaning.� You proved my point.�
> > > This is
> > > > why I suggested you stop digging the hole for your own benefit.� WOW
> > > this is
> > >
> > > > becoming an almost BA joke thread!
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:48 PM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@
> > > ...>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > SALVE!
> > > > >
> > > > > Even if one can think in the way you think I remind you that the SC
> > > > > allowing Senators on the various official NR lists was approved on
> the
> > > 14
> > > > > Nov. Eleven days after the description was wrote.
> > > > > I agreed with the Metellus text in the same way as any pontifex
> agreed
> > > with
> > > > > it, as time that was a communication among all pontifices.
> > > > > Therefore I will not stop. You think I will stop when I just
> started?
> > > No
> > > > > way.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > VALE,
> > > > > Sabinus
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > > Claudius
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fw: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 2:40 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ave!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sabinus, you need to stop.� You are digging your hole even worse!!�
> > > Stop
> > >
> > > > > Digging! This just goes to show that you OKd Metellus's change on
> > > November
> > > > > 3rd that Senators were not allowed to be members to the CP list.�
> > > Hence,
> > >
> > > > > without the SC and the necessary house cleaning the CP should have
> > > done,
> > > > > everything Metellus did was absolutely correct.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sulla
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:37 PM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@
> > >
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Priority for native speakers even if my written description was
> not
> > > so
> > > > > bad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sabinus
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > > Claudius
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Wed, 11/3/10, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@>
> > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > > To: "Quintus Caecilius Metellus" <q.caecilius.metellus@>
> > >
> > > > > > Cc: collegium_pontificum_nr-owner@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 8:17 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SALVE!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > VALE,
> > > > > > Sabinus
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > > Claudius
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Wed, 11/3/10, Quintus Caecilius Metellus <
> > > > > > q.caecilius.metellus@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@>
> > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > > To: collegium_pontificum_nr-owner@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 7:44 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saluete iterum, Collegae:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I want to make you all aware (again) of a slight change I've
> made,
> > > > > > this time to the group description.� I have only changed it to
> > > clarify
> > > > > > its language.� It read previously:
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Collegium Pontificum of Nova Roma. Membership is restricted.
> The
> > > > > > messages archive is open to public."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I have changed it, the text is now:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Collegium Pontificum of Nova Roma. Membership is restricted
> to
> > > > > > the members of the Collegium Pontificum and the Consules.
> > > Subscription
> > > > > > requests aside from these will be rejected. The message archive
> is
> > > > > > open to the public."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is my hope that with the minor additions I have made, citizens
> > > will
> > > > > > better understand why their subscription requests are being
> refused.
> > > > > > Again, this change can be easily reverted if it is desirable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Valete Optime!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >�
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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> >
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> >
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Ave!

Trust is a two way street. My trust has been diminished after the Nota of
Metellus, the Nota of Audens, the Nota of Cato. Now an excuse about
language issues. Just being honest.

Vale,

Sulla

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 9:22 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve Maria,
>
> Thank you for your input and your suppor.
> Patience is the key - hopefully we will learn to trust each other as well.
>
> Vale
>
> Julia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
> >
> > I have been reading the two current discussions, and I will try very hard
> to
> > address only the issues involved. Concerning the Yahoo list description
> and
> > the removal of senators, yes, the ball got dropped. The list description
> > should have been changed. The moment this Senatus Consultum was passed.
> > Since that did not happen, one of the senators on the CP list or one of
> the
> > C P members themselves should have pointed out the discrepancy.
> Obviously,
> > that did not happen either. Yes, this is not good housekeeping, and we
> > should certainly be more careful. It might have been better had Metellus
> > simply changed the list description and left the senators subscribed,
> > especially since a Yahoo group list description does not supersede the
> laws
> > of our Res publica. The problem has been fixed, and I hope that we can
> stop
> > apportioning blame, learn from our errors, and do better next time.
> >
> > As to the matter of the selection and training of priests, all have made
> > pertinent and valuable points. I will say, and I can say from experience
> > that Julia Aquila Pontifex , And Q. Caecillius Metellus Pontifex have
> both
> > worked with me extensively and been most helpful.
> >
> > We are just in the process of revamping our training program, and it will
>
> > take time. However, I firmly believe that the C P is fully aware of the
> > vital nature and seriousness of having well-trained, well qualified
> priests.
> > There are things that people should know before they even apply, most
> > assuredly; and there are things that they must learn after they have been
>
> > accepted into training. There are, also, things that must be present.
> That
> > cannot be learned. These things are internal and have to do with
> attitudes,
> > demeanor, and reverence. These things cannot be taught but they can be
> > demonstrated, especially in an interview process. We have a great deal of
>
> > work to do, and from what I am seeing, we are well started.
> >
> > Yes, we have asked for interested people to contact the CP. But that is
> > only the first step in what will be a fairly long and involved process,
> and
> > those who contact us are not guaranteed anything.
> >
> > I think the input of all citizens is important, because it is only
> through
> > that input that we can learn the expectations of our citizens concerning
> how
> > we conduct the Sacra publica. I would hope that such input would be
> offered
> > in the spirit of helpfulness and respect, since, ultimately, we all have
> the
> > same goal.
> >
> > When Pontifex Maximus Sabbinus took office, he had much to concern him,
> and
> > he has done, as far as I am concerned, an admirable job.
> >
> > I respectfully propose that the CP prepare a set of expectations for each
>
> > priesthood consisting of two parts. The first part would apply to all
> > religious officials, and the second part would be specific to the
> priesthood
> > involved. I think this would address the issues that Metellus Pontifex
> has
> > raised, and it would also be helpful to any applicant wishing to serve
> our
> > Republic. I also asked respectfully, for the support of our citizens in
> > what the CP is trying to do. Please make suggestions, but also, please be
>
> > patient with us.
> >
> > Valete bene.
> > C. Maria Caeca
> >
>
>
>

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C. Petronius L. Sullae sal.,

> Really? I can name at least three Senators who had the ability to post on the CP list that a change was needed once the Senatus Consulta was passed:

> Sabinus
> Dexter
> Fabius
> Agricola - who was subscribed at the time

> All 4 of them could have said....after the SC passed that hey....I think we need to fix our list description. All of them failed to follow up on basic housekeeping that needed to be done once the SC was passed.

Pax! Pax! For me it was obvious that senators had the right to be subscribed to the both CP and CA lists. It was the mos and it was made before the SC.

This description was written by Q. Metellus and he knew this mos when he wrote this description.

Why this description was not corrected about senators' right to be subscribed to the both CA and CP lists? Because it was obviously their righ to be.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
pridie Kalendas Maias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.

SALVE!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

> I used Metellus as my tool...>>>

Based of Freud theories you just picked an alternative from those I presented.

>Wow you sound like Piscinus and Modianus!>>>

I'm sure you believe that. And Scholastica sound like Maior, yes? You can not live without them, right? They are shadows haunting your mind and in their absence you need associations with other in order to aliment your way of existence. Today, I and Scholastica, Iulia maybe; tomorrow other and so onÂ… Do you realize how much the last years fights affected you? Think to that. Maybe you will be able to understand that all of these were gone.

>Next you will be calling him my Padawan!>>>

No, Sulla, there will be not a next. Now I understand you.

VALE,
Sabinus


>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > SALVE!
> >
> > No, Sulla, I don't agree with you. You can try with all your efforts to
> > cover the Metellus uninspired action removing Senators finding other
> > divagations from the subject, I assure you that the facts remain facts.
> > Even if the list description was not updated the Senators subscription on
> > the list was not an issue. The proof is that the Senators who asked for
> > subscription were subscribed until a few days ago when Metellus decided to
> > remove them based of the list description. I asked Metellus why he done that
> > and he answer correct. I don't find any fault as time is possible - but not
> > desirable - as one to not know which our laws are. They are many and not all
> > our co-fellows pay attention to them. When it comes about you, the things
> > are different. You are Senator and from the past messages here, is very
> > visible that you don't know what you voted in the Senate. That is more
> > sustained by the fact that until now you read the CP messages from the yahoo
> > group. Therefore the list description was under your eyes all the time. Here
> > come two alternatives:
> > - you don't observed it and even if observed you didn't paid attention to
> > it as time you are ignorant when it comes about our laws.
> > - you observed it and used Metellus as your tool to start another debate in
> > order to aliment your frustrations.
> > I will not analyze the alternatives. They don't deserve more analysis. Both
> > of them show for sure only one thing: you are lamentable.
> >
> > VALE,
> > Sabinus
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ave!
> > >
> > > Iulia, Iulia, Iulia...ah Iulia Iulia where do I begin! You know what...I
> > > stand by what I said...disrespectful or not. It certainly DID NOT need to
> > > go there except for the fact that Sabinus tried to defend his position
> > and
> > > failed..not only failed but FAILED miserable. As I clearly pointed out
> > and
> > > he basically agreed.
> > >
> > > Sabinus was more than capable of creating the email list after the purge
> > of
> > > Piscinus. FACT
> > > Sabinus created the description of the email list that he created. FACT
> > > Sabinus ok'ed the change that Metellus did in November 3rd. FACT
> > >
> > > Just with that alone he has more than a passing grasp of English enough
> > to
> > > follow those basic instructions. This isnt speaking, this is reading and
> > > comprehension, which is DIFFERENT than speaking. So, no I disagree with
> > you
> > > the premise is actually fair and it undercuts any attempt to defect the
> > > issue at hand.
> > >
> > > The CP list issue is a deadhorse now that the description has been
> > changed
> > > (by Sabinus) and Senators (myself included) are being added.
> > >
> > > The other issues are still alive and well and no where near done being
> > > beaten.
> > >
> > > Respect and dignitas is something that is earned but can easily be eroded
> > as
> > > well by behavior that is not exactly ethical that is my issue with this,
> > > hence my involvement in this matter the coverup and deflection I found to
> > be
> > > despicable and then we have Scholastica's attempt to try to put malicious
> > > intent involved which was utter BS. And absolutely necessary to be called
> > > out on public since again she was proven to be wrong.
> > >
> > > The CFO stuff is just a red herring since it is not applicable at all to
> > the
> > > discussion or any discussion beyond issues I have been raising with the
> > > Consuls and Paulinus, but again, nice try at deflection.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:44 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> > > luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ave Sulla
> > > >
> > > > Being disrespectful will not get anything done Sulla you told Sabinus
> > that
> > > > he is "clearly competent enough to create the new list so using the
> > English
> > > > card just is not going to fly." I have a few foreign friends who, while
> > I
> > > > think they speak good English (better than Sabinus whose I think speaks
> > > > well), have difficulty understanding when hammered (the tactic you
> > mentioned
> > > > to Scholastica), esp. when idioms etc. are used. My friends do write in
> > > > English but it takes them quite a while, and can be difficult while
> > they do
> > > > fairly well at reading. I have problems writing in other languages as
> > well,
> > > > but can read much better (this is common btw) and would defer to a
> > native
> > > > speaker. Your tactic is unfair. The premise is unfair. Your needling
> > and
> > > > hammering and wordplay/twisting to suit your opinion is conduct
> > unbecoming a
> > > > Senator. English speaking folk did not notice the text was not changed
> > > > either.
> > > >
> > > > Sulla, this has gone on long enough. A question was asked of Metellus
> > by
> > > > Sabinus, and I asked that question as well, without accusation or
> > > > assumption. A reasonable answer was given and well met. It's over.
> > > >
> > > > We are now at the point of beating a dead horse. We have more serious
> > > > issues to expend our energy on. In your position of the CFO for
> > example, it
> > > > is a hard job and you are up against many obstacles – rather than
> > needling
> > > > Sabinus you could have been getting some of it done. Metellus could
> > have
> > > > written one job description by now. You know, that old saying, if you
> > are
> > > > not part of the solution than you are part of the problem.
> > > >
> > > > So let's move on. Feel free to email me.
> > > >
> > > > Bene vale
> > > >
> > > > Julia
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > SALVE!
> > > > > Â
> > > >
> > > > > Ok. I accept that. The Senators members of the CP list were not able
> > to
> > > > update the list description.
> > > > > However that doesn’t allow anyone to remove Senators based of lists
> > > > description as time the law states otherwise. Not knowing the law is
> > not an
> > > > excuse. No one from those you mentioned here (4 Senators) don't removed
> > the
> > > > other subscribed Senators. I guess you understand my point.
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > >
> > > > > VALE,
> > > > > Sabinus
> > > > >
> > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > Claudius
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fw: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 2:53 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ave!
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand that. And this is why I pointed out that there were 4
> > > >
> > > > > individuals who are in the Senate list who are also in the CP list
> > who
> > > > > should have said..."Yo, the Senate just passed this SC. Do we need
> > to
> > > > do
> > > >
> > > > > any housekeeping to be in compliance with the SC? OH YEAH yes we
> > do..we
> > > > need
> > > > > to change the description of the CP list!"
> > > > >
> > > > > But that was NOT DONE
> > > > >
> > > > > Those four individuals are:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sabinus,
> > > > > Fabius,
> > > > > Dexter
> > > > > Agricola
> > > > >
> > > > > The CP failed to keep proper house cleaning. You proved my point.Â
> > > > This is
> > > > > why I suggested you stop digging the hole for your own benefit. WOW
> > > > this is
> > > >
> > > > > becoming an almost BA joke thread!
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sulla
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:48 PM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@
> > > > ...>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SALVE!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Even if one can think in the way you think I remind you that the SC
> > > > > > allowing Senators on the various official NR lists was approved on
> > the
> > > > 14
> > > > > > Nov. Eleven days after the description was wrote.
> > > > > > I agreed with the Metellus text in the same way as any pontifex
> > agreed
> > > > with
> > > > > > it, as time that was a communication among all pontifices.
> > > > > > Therefore I will not stop. You think I will stop when I just
> > started?
> > > > No
> > > > > > way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > VALE,
> > > > > > Sabinus
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > > > Claudius
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fw: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 2:40 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ave!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sabinus, you need to stop. You are digging your hole even worse!!Â
> > > > Stop
> > > >
> > > > > > Digging! This just goes to show that you OKd Metellus's change on
> > > > November
> > > > > > 3rd that Senators were not allowed to be members to the CP list.Â
> > > > Hence,
> > > >
> > > > > > without the SC and the necessary house cleaning the CP should have
> > > > done,
> > > > > > everything Metellus did was absolutely correct.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sulla
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:37 PM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@
> > > >
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Priority for native speakers even if my written description was
> > not
> > > > so
> > > > > > bad.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sabinus
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > > > Claudius
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 11/3/10, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@>
> > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > > > To: "Quintus Caecilius Metellus" <q.caecilius.metellus@>
> > > >
> > > > > > > Cc: collegium_pontificum_nr-owner@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 8:17 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > SALVE!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > VALE,
> > > > > > > Sabinus
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > > > Claudius
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 11/3/10, Quintus Caecilius Metellus <
> > > > > > > q.caecilius.metellus@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@>
> > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > > > To: collegium_pontificum_nr-owner@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 7:44 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Saluete iterum, Collegae:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I want to make you all aware (again) of a slight change I've
> > made,
> > > > > > > this time to the group description. I have only changed it to
> > > > clarify
> > > > > > > its language. It read previously:
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The Collegium Pontificum of Nova Roma. Membership is restricted.
> > The
> > > > > > > messages archive is open to public."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As I have changed it, the text is now:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The Collegium Pontificum of Nova Roma. Membership is restricted
> > to
> > > > > > > the members of the Collegium Pontificum and the Consules.
> > > > Subscription
> > > > > > > requests aside from these will be rejected. The message archive
> > is
> > > > > > > open to the public."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is my hope that with the minor additions I have made, citizens
> > > > will
> > > > > > > better understand why their subscription requests are being
> > refused.
> > > > > > > Again, this change can be easily reverted if it is desirable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Valete Optime!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Â
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Ave!

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:

>
>
> SALVE!
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
> wrote:
>
> > I used Metellus as my tool...>>>
>
> Based of Freud theories you just picked an alternative from those I
> presented.
>

But wait, did you not say, " you observed it and used Metellus as your tool
to start another debate in order to aliment your frustrations." Or was that
a figment of my imagination?


>
>
> >Wow you sound like Piscinus and Modianus!>>>
>
> I'm sure you believe that. And Scholastica sound like Maior, yes? You can
> not live without them, right? They are shadows haunting your mind and in
> their absence you need associations with other in order to aliment your way
> of existence. Today, I and Scholastica, Iulia maybe; tomorrow other and so
> on� Do you realize how much the last years fights affected you? Think to
> that. Maybe you will be able to understand that all of these were gone.
>

In this particular situation, given your above statement, I called it
exactly as you wrote it. That I used Metellus as my tool to start another
debate! When I went to defend Metellus against Iulia's accusation of what
has Metellus done in the Religio Front. I pointed out exactly what he has
done, because he lives in the same house as me, and I know from personal
observation. Now I have drawn my conclusion saying that you sounded like
Piscinus because he has said repeatedly that Metellus was my tool in January
or February when he was trying to broker the blasphemy decree between Cato
and myself and Piscinus ended up trying to blackmail us. Then Modianus
called Metellus my padawan after Metellus moved into my home. There is,
unfortunate for you, no psycho babble to associate the word you used in the
regard that I am using Metellus as my tool. Instead anyone who actually
knows Metellus personally will know that he is his own person and MORE than
capable of making his own decisions. Up until your last missive I would
have never thought to compare you to Piscinus or Modianus. It was your own
words that condemned you to that association.


>
>
> >Next you will be calling him my Padawan!>>>
>
> No, Sulla, there will be not a next. Now I understand you.
>

Sure.

Vale,

Sulla


>
> VALE,
> Sabinus
>
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
>
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > SALVE!
> > >
> > > No, Sulla, I don't agree with you. You can try with all your efforts to
> > > cover the Metellus uninspired action removing Senators finding other
> > > divagations from the subject, I assure you that the facts remain facts.
> > > Even if the list description was not updated the Senators subscription
> on
> > > the list was not an issue. The proof is that the Senators who asked for
> > > subscription were subscribed until a few days ago when Metellus decided
> to
> > > remove them based of the list description. I asked Metellus why he done
> that
> > > and he answer correct. I don't find any fault as time is possible - but
> not
> > > desirable - as one to not know which our laws are. They are many and
> not all
> > > our co-fellows pay attention to them. When it comes about you, the
> things
> > > are different. You are Senator and from the past messages here, is very
> > > visible that you don't know what you voted in the Senate. That is more
> > > sustained by the fact that until now you read the CP messages from the
> yahoo
> > > group. Therefore the list description was under your eyes all the time.
> Here
> > > come two alternatives:
> > > - you don't observed it and even if observed you didn't paid attention
> to
> > > it as time you are ignorant when it comes about our laws.
> > > - you observed it and used Metellus as your tool to start another
> debate in
> > > order to aliment your frustrations.
> > > I will not analyze the alternatives. They don't deserve more analysis.
> Both
> > > of them show for sure only one thing: you are lamentable.
> > >
> > > VALE,
> > > Sabinus
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ave!
> > > >
> > > > Iulia, Iulia, Iulia...ah Iulia Iulia where do I begin! You know
> what...I
> > > > stand by what I said...disrespectful or not. It certainly DID NOT
> need to
> > > > go there except for the fact that Sabinus tried to defend his
> position
> > > and
> > > > failed..not only failed but FAILED miserable. As I clearly pointed
> out
> > > and
> > > > he basically agreed.
> > > >
> > > > Sabinus was more than capable of creating the email list after the
> purge
> > > of
> > > > Piscinus. FACT
> > > > Sabinus created the description of the email list that he created.
> FACT
> > > > Sabinus ok'ed the change that Metellus did in November 3rd. FACT
> > > >
> > > > Just with that alone he has more than a passing grasp of English
> enough
> > > to
> > > > follow those basic instructions. This isnt speaking, this is reading
> and
> > > > comprehension, which is DIFFERENT than speaking. So, no I disagree
> with
> > > you
> > > > the premise is actually fair and it undercuts any attempt to defect
> the
> > > > issue at hand.
> > > >
> > > > The CP list issue is a deadhorse now that the description has been
> > > changed
> > > > (by Sabinus) and Senators (myself included) are being added.
> > > >
> > > > The other issues are still alive and well and no where near done
> being
> > > > beaten.
> > > >
> > > > Respect and dignitas is something that is earned but can easily be
> eroded
> > > as
> > > > well by behavior that is not exactly ethical that is my issue with
> this,
> > > > hence my involvement in this matter the coverup and deflection I
> found to
> > > be
> > > > despicable and then we have Scholastica's attempt to try to put
> malicious
> > > > intent involved which was utter BS. And absolutely necessary to be
> called
> > > > out on public since again she was proven to be wrong.
> > > >
> > > > The CFO stuff is just a red herring since it is not applicable at all
> to
> > > the
> > > > discussion or any discussion beyond issues I have been raising with
> the
> > > > Consuls and Paulinus, but again, nice try at deflection.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:44 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> > > > luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ave Sulla
> > > > >
> > > > > Being disrespectful will not get anything done Sulla you told
> Sabinus
> > > that
> > > > > he is "clearly competent enough to create the new list so using the
> > > English
> > > > > card just is not going to fly." I have a few foreign friends who,
> while
> > > I
> > > > > think they speak good English (better than Sabinus whose I think
> speaks
> > > > > well), have difficulty understanding when hammered (the tactic you
> > > mentioned
> > > > > to Scholastica), esp. when idioms etc. are used. My friends do
> write in
> > > > > English but it takes them quite a while, and can be difficult while
> > > they do
> > > > > fairly well at reading. I have problems writing in other languages
> as
> > > well,
> > > > > but can read much better (this is common btw) and would defer to a
> > > native
> > > > > speaker. Your tactic is unfair. The premise is unfair. Your
> needling
> > > and
> > > > > hammering and wordplay/twisting to suit your opinion is conduct
> > > unbecoming a
> > > > > Senator. English speaking folk did not notice the text was not
> changed
> > > > > either.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sulla, this has gone on long enough. A question was asked of
> Metellus
> > > by
> > > > > Sabinus, and I asked that question as well, without accusation or
> > > > > assumption. A reasonable answer was given and well met. It's over.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are now at the point of beating a dead horse. We have more
> serious
> > > > > issues to expend our energy on. In your position of the CFO for
> > > example, it
> > > > > is a hard job and you are up against many obstacles � rather than
> > > needling
> > > > > Sabinus you could have been getting some of it done. Metellus could
> > > have
> > > > > written one job description by now. You know, that old saying, if
> you
> > > are
> > > > > not part of the solution than you are part of the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > So let's move on. Feel free to email me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bene vale
> > > > >
> > > > > Julia
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SALVE!
> > > > > > �
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ok. I accept that. The Senators members of the CP list were not
> able
> > > to
> > > > > update the list description.
> > > > > > However that doesn���t allow anyone to remove Senators based of
> lists
> > > > > description as time the law states otherwise. Not knowing the law
> is
> > > not an
> > > > > excuse. No one from those you mentioned here (4 Senators) don't
> removed
> > > the
> > > > > other subscribed Senators. I guess you understand my point.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > �
> > > > >
> > > > > > VALE,
> > > > > > Sabinus
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > > Claudius
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fw: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 2:53 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ave!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I understand that.� And this is why I pointed out that there were
> 4
> > > > >
> > > > > > individuals who are in the Senate list who are also in the CP
> list
> > > who
> > > > > > should have said..."Yo, the Senate just passed this SC.� Do we
> need
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > >
> > > > > > any housekeeping to be in compliance with the SC? OH YEAH yes we
> > > do..we
> > > > > need
> > > > > > to change the description of the CP list!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But that was NOT DONE
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those four individuals are:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sabinus,
> > > > > > Fabius,
> > > > > > Dexter
> > > > > > Agricola
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The CP failed to keep proper house cleaning.� You proved my
> point.�
> > > > > This is
> > > > > > why I suggested you stop digging the hole for your own benefit.�
> WOW
> > > > > this is
> > > > >
> > > > > > becoming an almost BA joke thread!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sulla
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:48 PM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@
> > > > > ...>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > SALVE!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Even if one can think in the way you think I remind you that
> the SC
> > > > > > > allowing Senators on the various official NR lists was approved
> on
> > > the
> > > > > 14
> > > > > > > Nov. Eleven days after the description was wrote.
> > > > > > > I agreed with the Metellus text in the same way as any pontifex
> > > agreed
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > it, as time that was a communication among all pontifices.
> > > > > > > Therefore I will not stop. You think I will stop when I just
> > > started?
> > > > > No
> > > > > > > way.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > VALE,
> > > > > > > Sabinus
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius
> > > > > Claudius
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fw: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 2:40 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ave!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sabinus, you need to stop.� You are digging your hole even
> worse!!�
> > > > > Stop
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Digging! This just goes to show that you OKd Metellus's change
> on
> > > > > November
> > > > > > > 3rd that Senators were not allowed to be members to the CP
> list.�
> > > > > Hence,
> > > > >
> > > > > > > without the SC and the necessary house cleaning the CP should
> have
> > > > > done,
> > > > > > > everything Metellus did was absolutely correct.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sulla
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:37 PM, iulius sabinus
> <iulius_sabinus@
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Priority for native speakers even if my written description
> was
> > > not
> > > > > so
> > > > > > > bad.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sabinus
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" -
> Appius
> > > > > Claudius
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> > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 11/3/10, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@>
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > > > > To: "Quintus Caecilius Metellus" <q.caecilius.metellus@>
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cc: collegium_pontificum_nr-owner@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 8:17 AM
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> > > > > > > > SALVE!
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> > > > > > > > No problem.
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> > > > > > > > VALE,
> > > > > > > > Sabinus
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> > > > > > > > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" -
> Appius
> > > > > Claudius
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> > > > > > > > From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus <q.caecilius.metellus@>
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> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Collegium Pontificum Settings
> > > > > > > > To: collegium_pontificum_nr-owner@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 7:44 AM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Saluete iterum, Collegae:
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> > > > > > > > I want to make you all aware (again) of a slight change I've
> > > made,
> > > > > > > > this time to the group description.� I have only changed it
> to
> > > > > clarify
> > > > > > > > its language.� It read previously:
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> > > > > > > > "The Collegium Pontificum of Nova Roma. Membership is
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SALVETE!

Hodie est Kalendae Maiae; haec dies fastus est: Feriae Maiae; Lares Praestites; Ludi Florales; Sacrum Iunonis Covellae.

Feriae Maiae.

"You ask where I think the name of May comes from?
Its origin's not totally clear to me.
As a traveler stands unsure which way to go,
Seeing the paths fan out in all directions,
So I'm not sure which to accept, since it's possible
To give different reasons: plenty itself confuses.
You who haunt the founts of Aganippian Hippocrene,
Those beloved prints of the Medusaean horse, explain!
The goddesses are in conflict. Polyhymnia begins,
While the others silently consider her speech.
`After the first Chaos, as soon as the three primary forms
Were given to the world, all things were newly re-configured:
Earth sank under its own weight, and drew down the seas,
But lightness lifted the sky to the highest regions:
And the sun and stars, not held back by their weight,
And you, you horses of the moon, sprang high.
But Earth for a long time wouldn't yield to Sky,
Nor the other lights to the Sun: honours were equal.
One of the common crowd of gods, would often dare
To sit on the throne that you, Saturn, owned,
None of the new gods took Ocean's side,
And Themis was relegated to the lowest place,
Until Honour, and proper Reverence, she
Of the calm look, were united in a lawful bed.
From them Majesty was born, she considers them
Her parents, she who was noble from her day of birth."
[Poetry translation: A.S. Kline: Ovid – Fasti, Book V, Introduction]

Lares Praestites.

"The Kalends of May saw an altar dedicated
To the Guardian Lares, with small statues of the gods.
Curius vowed them: but time destroys many things,
And the long ages wear away the stone.
The reason for their epithet of Guardian,
Is that they keep safe watch over everything.
They support us, and protect the City walls,
And they're propitious, and bring us aid.
A dog, carved from the same stone, used to stand
At their feet: why did it stand there with the Lares?
Both guard the house: both are loyal to their master:
Crossroads are dear to the god, and to dogs."
[Poetry translation: A.S. Kline: Ovid – Fasti, Book V, May 1, Kalends]

This day, capite velato, I have invoked Iuno Covella on the 7th day by saying the traditional formula:

"Die Septimi te kalo Iuno Covella"

I offered incense and saying prayers I asked the Goddess to be favorable toward us, the entire Nova Roman community.

The festivals to be celebrated in the month of May shall be:

MAIUS:

1 F Nundina; Feriae Maiae, Ludi Florales; Lares Praestites.
2 F Dies ater; Ludi Florales.
3 C Ludi Florales.
4 C
5 C
6 C
7 F Nonae
8 F Dies ater
9 N Nundina; religious; Lemuria.
10 C
11 N Religiosus Lemuria.
12 C
13 N Religiosus Lemuria.
14 C
15 NP Ides; religiosus Feriae Iovi; Mercuralia.
16 F Dies ater
17 C Nundina.
18 C
19 C
20 C
21 NP Agonium Vediovi
22 N
23 NP Tubilustrum
24 QRCF
25 C Nundina
26 C
27 C
28 C
29 C
30 C
31 C

At the end I poured a libation of honeyed milk thanking to the Goddess for Her benevolence.

VALETE,
Sabinus

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est Kalendae Maiae; hic dies nefastus publicus est.

"You ask where I think the name of May comes from?
Its origin's not totally clear to me.
As a traveller stands unsure which way to go,
Seeing the paths fan out in all directions,
So I'm not sure which to accept, since it's possible
To give different reasons: plenty itself confuses.
You who haunt the founts of Aganippian Hippocrene,
Those beloved prints of the Medusaean horse, explain!
The goddesses are in conflict. Polyhymnia begins,
While the others silently consider her speech.
'After the first Chaos, as soon as the three primary forms
Were given to the world, all things were newly re-configured:
Earth sank under its own weight, and drew down the seas,
But lightness lifted the sky to the highest regions:
And the sun and stars, not held back by their weight,
And you, you horses of the moon, sprang high.
But Earth for a long time wouldn't yield to Sky,
Nor the other lights to the Sun: honours were equal.
One of the common crowd of gods, would often dare
To sit on the throne that you, Saturn, owned,
None of the new gods took Ocean's side,
And Themis was relegated to the lowest place,
Until Honour, and proper Reverence, she
Of the calm look, were united in a lawful bed.
From them Majesty was born, she considers them
Her parents, she who was noble from her day of birth.
She took her seat, at once, high in the midst of Olympus,
Conspicuous, golden, in her purple folds.
Modesty and Fear sat with her: you could see
All the gods modelling their expression on hers.
At once, respect for honour entered their minds:
The worthy had their reward, none thought of self.
This state of things lasted for years in heaven,
Till the elder god was banished by fate from the citadel.
Earth bore the Giants, a fierce brood of savage monsters,
Who dared to venture against Jupiter's halls:
She gave them a thousands hands, serpents for legs,
And said: 'Take up arms against the mighty gods.'
They set to piling mountains to the highest stars,
And to troubling mighty Jupiter with war:
He hurled lightning bolts from the heavenly citadel,
And overturned the weighty mass on its creators.
These divine weapons protected Majesty well,
She survived, and has been worshipped ever since:
So she attends on Jove, Jove's truest guardian,
And allows him to hold the sceptre without force.
She came to earth as well: Romulus and Numa
Both worshipped her, and so did others in later ages.
She maintains fathers and mothers in due honour,
She keeps company with virgins and young boys,
She burnishes the lictor's rods, axes, and ivory chair,
She rides high in triumph behind the garlanded horses.'
Polyhymnia finished speaking: Clio, and Thalia
Mistress of the curved lyre, approved her words.
Urania continued: all the rest were silent,
And hers was the only voice that could be heard.
'Once great reverence was shown to white hair,
And wrinkled age was valued at its true worth.
The young waged work of war, and spirited battle,
Holding to their posts for the sake of the gods:
Age, inferior in strength, and unfit for arms,
Often did the country a service by its counsel.
The Senate was only open to men of mature age,
And Senators bear a name meaning ripe in years.
The elders made laws for the people, and specific
Rules governed the age when office might be sought:
Old men walked with the young, without their indignation,
And on the inside, if they only had one companion.
Who dared then to talk shamefully in an older man's
Presence? Old age granted rights of censorship.
Romulus knew this, and chose the City Fathers
From select spirits: making them the rulers of the City.
So I deduce that the elders (maiores) gave their own title
To the month of May: and looked after their own interests.
Numitor too may have said: 'Romulus, grant this month
To the old men' and his grandson may have yielded.
The following month, June, named for young men (iuvenes),
Gives no slight proof of the honour intended.'
Then Calliope herself, first of that choir, her hair
Unkempt and wreathed with ivy, began to speak:
'Tethys, the Titaness, was married long ago to Ocean,
He who encircles the outspread earth with flowing water.
The story is that their daughter Pleione was united
To sky-bearing Atlas, and bore him the Pleiades.
Among them, Maia's said to have surpassed her sisters
In beauty, and to have slept with mighty Jove.
She bore Mercury, who cuts the air on winged feet,
On the cypress-clothed ridge of Mount Cyllene.
The Arcadians, and swift Ladon, and vast Maenalus,
A land thought older than the moon, rightly worship him.
Evander, in exile from Arcadia, came to the Latin fields,
And brought his gods with him, aboard ship.
Where Rome, the capital of the world, now stands
There were trees, grass, a few sheep, the odd cottage.
When they arrived, his prophetic mother said:
'Halt here! This rural spot will be the place of Empire.'
The Arcadian hero obeyed his mother, the prophetess,
And stayed, though a stranger in a foreign land.
He taught the people many rites, but, above all, those
Of twin-horned Faunus, and Mercury the wing-footed god.
Faunus half-goat, you're worshipped by the girded Luperci,
When their strips of hide purify the crowded streets.
But you, Mercury, patron of thieves, inventor
Of the curved lyre, gave your mother's name to this month.
Nor was this your first act of piety: you're thought
To have given the lyre seven strings, the Pleiads' number.'
Calliope too ended: and her sisters voiced their praise.
And so? All three were equally convincing.
May the Muses' favour attend me equally,
And let me never praise one more than the rest." - Ovid, Fasti V

"The Kalends of May saw an altar dedicated
To the Guardian Lares, with small statues of the gods.
Curius vowed them: but time destroys many things,
And the long ages wear away the stone.
The reason for their epithet of Guardian,
Is that they keep safe watch over everything.
They support us, and protect the City walls,
And they're propitious, and bring us aid.
A dog, carved from the same stone, used to stand
At their feet: why did it stand there with the Lares?
Both guard the house: both are loyal to their master:
Crossroads are dear to the god, and to dogs.
Both the Lar and Diana's pack chase away thieves:
And the Lares are watchful, and so are dogs." - Ovid, Fasti V



Today is the Kalends of May; dedicated to Maia the mother of Mercury
(whose name gives us that of the whole month), and the Lares
praestites. Among the Lares publici we have mention of Lares
praestites and Lares compitales, who are in reality the same, and
differ only in regard to the place or occasion of their worship.

The temple to the Lares is first mentioned in connection with a series
of prodigious events (106 BC):

"Amiterni cum ex ancilla puer nasceretur, ave dixit. In agro Perusino
et Romae locis aliquot lacte pluit. Inter multa fulmine icta Atellis
digiti hominis quattuor tamquam ferro praecisi. Argentum signatum
afflatu fulminis diffluxit. In agro Trebulano mulier nupta civi Romano
fulmine icta nec exanimata. Fremitus caelestis auditus et pila caelo
cadere visa. Sanguine pluit. Romae interdiu fax sublime volans
conspecta. In aede Larum flamma a fastigio ad summum columen
penetravit innoxia. Per Caepionem consulem senatorum et equitum
iudicia communicata. Cetera in pace fuerunt." - Iulius Obsequens 41

And it was part of the original pomerium of the City:

"Regum in eo ambitio vel gloria varie vulgata: sed initium condendi,
et quod pomerium Romulus posuerit, noscere haud absurdum reor. igitur
a foro boario, ubi aereum tauri simulacrum aspicimus, quia id genus
animalium aratro subditur, sulcus designandi oppidi coeptus ut magnam
Herculis aram amplecteretur; inde certis spatiis interiecti lapides
per ima montis Palatini ad aram Consi, mox curias veteres, tum ad
sacellum Larum, inde forum Romanum; forumque et Capitolium non a
Romulo, sed a Tito Tatio additum urbi credidere. mox pro fortuna
pomerium auctum. et quos tum Claudius terminos posuerit, facile
cognitu et publicis actis perscriptum." - Tacitus, Annals xii.24

("There are various popular accounts of the ambitious and vainglorious
efforts of our kings in this matter. Still, I think, it is interesting
to know accurately the original plan of the precinct, as it was fixed
by Romulus. From the ox market, where we see the brazen statue of a
bull, because that animal is yoked to the plough, a furrow was drawn
to mark out the town, so as to embrace the great altar of Hercules;
then, at regular intervals, stones were placed along the foot of the
Palatine hill to the altar of Consus, soon afterwards, to the old
Courts, and then to the chapel of the Lares. The Roman forum and the
Capitol were not, it was supposed, added to the city by Romulus, but
by Titus Tatius. In time, the precinct was enlarged with the growth of
Rome's fortunes. The boundaries now fixed by Claudius may be easily
recognized, as they are specified in the public records.")

Servius Tullius is said to have instituted their worship; and when
Augustus improved the regulations of the city made by that king, he
also renewed the worship of the public Lares. Their name, Lares
praestites, characterises them as the protecting spirits of the city,
in which they had a temple in the uppermost part of the Via Sacra,
that is, near a compitum, whence they might be called compitales.
This temple (Sacellum La/rum or aedes Laruni) contained two images,
which were probably those of Romulus and Remus, and before them stood
a stone figure of a dog, either the symbol of watchfulness or because
a dog was the ordinary sacrifice offered to the Lares. Ovid says that
the figure of the dog represented Diana's protective pack.


"And Maia, the daughter of Atlas, bare to Zeus glorious Hermes, the
herald of the deathless gods, for she went up into his holy bed." -
Hesiod, Theogony 938

"He [Hermes] was born of Maia, the daughter of Atlas, when she had
mated with Zeus, a shy goddess she. Ever she avoided the throng of the
blessed gods and lived in a shadowy cave, and there the Son of Kronos
used to lie with the rich-tressed nymphe at dead of night, while
white-armed Hera lay bound in sweet sleep: and neither deathless god
nor mortal man knew it. And so hail to you, Son of Zeus and Maia." -
Homeric Hymn XVII to Hermes 3

"The oldest daughter Maia, after her intercourse with Zeus, bore
Hermes in a cave on Kyllene. Though he was laid out in swaddling-
clothes with her winnowing basket for a cradle, he escaped and made
his way to Pieria, where he stole some cattle that Apollon was
tending...Apollon learned who the thief was by divine science, and
made his way to Maia on Kyllene to charge Hermes. Maia, however,
showed Apollon the baby in his swaddling-clothes, whereupon Apollon
took him to Zeus and demanded his cattle." - Apollodorus, The Library
3.112

"The Pleiades" was the name given to the seven daughters of Atlas and
Pleione. Maia was the eldest of the daughters, and said to be the most
beautiful. Being shy, she lived quietly and alone in a cave on Mount
Cyllene, in Arcadia. Zeus, however, discovered the beautiful young
woman, and fell in love with her. He came to her cave at night, to
make love to her away from the jealous eyes of his wife, Hera. As a
result, Maia bore Zeus a son, Hermes.

When still an infant, Hermes stole some cattle from the god Apollo,
and hid them in his mother's cave. When Apollo stormed into Maia's
cave, she showed him the tiny baby to prove he could not have been the
cattle thief. Apollo was not fooled, however, and angrily appealed to
Zeus to punish Hermes. Zeus arbitrated by requiring Hermes to give
back the cattle. During the feud, baby Hermes played the lyre, and
Apollo was so enchanted by the music that he dropped the charges, and
even gave some of the cattle to Hermes, as well as other gifts.

Some time later, Maia helped Zeus when Hera had caused the death of
one of his other mistresses, Callisto, who had borne him a son, named
Arcas. Zeus ordered Hermes to give Arcas to Maia to raise as her own,
which she did. Arcas and Callisto were eventually placed in the sky,
becoming the constellations Ursa Major and Ursa Minor (Big and Little
Bear) to escape the wrath of the ever-jealous Hera.

Valete bene!

Cato

Ave Sulla,

To clarify what you took you of context, and was not an accusation, but a question asked re: your statement:

>When I went to defend Metellus against Iulia's accusation of what
>has Metellus done in the Religio Front.

I asked a simple question specifically related to ritual based on the issue of ritual "contributing to ensuring the safety and welfare of our Res Publica by working to maintain the Gods":
"When was the last time you performed a ritual in honor of the Gods to benefit the public?"
I made no accusations, I simply asked a specific question but you chose to spin it to what it was not. Bad form. That is the fact, you can manipulate the words all you want and take it out of context but this does not change the the content. Either this is a weak tactic or a reading comprehension problem or a post traumatic effect caused by the past animosities that have plagued NR.

In the Yahwist and Vedic Religions, (I use this example because we have enough history to know this), there have been Monks, Priests, Pandits and Rabbanim who for reasons of physical impairments such as muteness and illness, mental impairments and intellectual impairments do not perform public services, they do however act in a "scribe" capacity, such as writing or composing much needed tasks and where there is no intellectual impairment, they may even create texts based on their particular sect and belief and submit it for review or are even the reviewers.
The message here is that there is something for everyone to do according to their abilities and talents.

Good Morning Sulla! I bid you a good rest of the day!
Pax, Pax, Pax!

Vale bene

Julia

Salve Cato!

Thank you, a great read!

Vale bene!

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cato" <catoinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Hodiernus dies est Kalendae Maiae; hic dies nefastus publicus est.
>
> "You ask where I think the name of May comes from?
> Its origin's not totally clear to me.
> As a traveller stands unsure which way to go,
> Seeing the paths fan out in all directions,
> So I'm not sure which to accept, since it's possible
> To give different reasons: plenty itself confuses.
> You who haunt the founts of Aganippian Hippocrene,
> Those beloved prints of the Medusaean horse, explain!
> The goddesses are in conflict. Polyhymnia begins,
> While the others silently consider her speech.
> 'After the first Chaos, as soon as the three primary forms
> Were given to the world, all things were newly re-configured:
> Earth sank under its own weight, and drew down the seas,
> But lightness lifted the sky to the highest regions:
> And the sun and stars, not held back by their weight,
> And you, you horses of the moon, sprang high.
> But Earth for a long time wouldn't yield to Sky,
> Nor the other lights to the Sun: honours were equal.
> One of the common crowd of gods, would often dare
> To sit on the throne that you, Saturn, owned,
> None of the new gods took Ocean's side,
> And Themis was relegated to the lowest place,
> Until Honour, and proper Reverence, she
> Of the calm look, were united in a lawful bed.
> From them Majesty was born, she considers them
> Her parents, she who was noble from her day of birth.
> She took her seat, at once, high in the midst of Olympus,
> Conspicuous, golden, in her purple folds.
> Modesty and Fear sat with her: you could see
> All the gods modelling their expression on hers.
> At once, respect for honour entered their minds:
> The worthy had their reward, none thought of self.
> This state of things lasted for years in heaven,
> Till the elder god was banished by fate from the citadel.
> Earth bore the Giants, a fierce brood of savage monsters,
> Who dared to venture against Jupiter's halls:
> She gave them a thousands hands, serpents for legs,
> And said: 'Take up arms against the mighty gods.'
> They set to piling mountains to the highest stars,
> And to troubling mighty Jupiter with war:
> He hurled lightning bolts from the heavenly citadel,
> And overturned the weighty mass on its creators.
> These divine weapons protected Majesty well,
> She survived, and has been worshipped ever since:
> So she attends on Jove, Jove's truest guardian,
> And allows him to hold the sceptre without force.
> She came to earth as well: Romulus and Numa
> Both worshipped her, and so did others in later ages.
> She maintains fathers and mothers in due honour,
> She keeps company with virgins and young boys,
> She burnishes the lictor's rods, axes, and ivory chair,
> She rides high in triumph behind the garlanded horses.'
> Polyhymnia finished speaking: Clio, and Thalia
> Mistress of the curved lyre, approved her words.
> Urania continued: all the rest were silent,
> And hers was the only voice that could be heard.
> 'Once great reverence was shown to white hair,
> And wrinkled age was valued at its true worth.
> The young waged work of war, and spirited battle,
> Holding to their posts for the sake of the gods:
> Age, inferior in strength, and unfit for arms,
> Often did the country a service by its counsel.
> The Senate was only open to men of mature age,
> And Senators bear a name meaning ripe in years.
> The elders made laws for the people, and specific
> Rules governed the age when office might be sought:
> Old men walked with the young, without their indignation,
> And on the inside, if they only had one companion.
> Who dared then to talk shamefully in an older man's
> Presence? Old age granted rights of censorship.
> Romulus knew this, and chose the City Fathers
> From select spirits: making them the rulers of the City.
> So I deduce that the elders (maiores) gave their own title
> To the month of May: and looked after their own interests.
> Numitor too may have said: 'Romulus, grant this month
> To the old men' and his grandson may have yielded.
> The following month, June, named for young men (iuvenes),
> Gives no slight proof of the honour intended.'
> Then Calliope herself, first of that choir, her hair
> Unkempt and wreathed with ivy, began to speak:
> 'Tethys, the Titaness, was married long ago to Ocean,
> He who encircles the outspread earth with flowing water.
> The story is that their daughter Pleione was united
> To sky-bearing Atlas, and bore him the Pleiades.
> Among them, Maia's said to have surpassed her sisters
> In beauty, and to have slept with mighty Jove.
> She bore Mercury, who cuts the air on winged feet,
> On the cypress-clothed ridge of Mount Cyllene.
> The Arcadians, and swift Ladon, and vast Maenalus,
> A land thought older than the moon, rightly worship him.
> Evander, in exile from Arcadia, came to the Latin fields,
> And brought his gods with him, aboard ship.
> Where Rome, the capital of the world, now stands
> There were trees, grass, a few sheep, the odd cottage.
> When they arrived, his prophetic mother said:
> 'Halt here! This rural spot will be the place of Empire.'
> The Arcadian hero obeyed his mother, the prophetess,
> And stayed, though a stranger in a foreign land.
> He taught the people many rites, but, above all, those
> Of twin-horned Faunus, and Mercury the wing-footed god.
> Faunus half-goat, you're worshipped by the girded Luperci,
> When their strips of hide purify the crowded streets.
> But you, Mercury, patron of thieves, inventor
> Of the curved lyre, gave your mother's name to this month.
> Nor was this your first act of piety: you're thought
> To have given the lyre seven strings, the Pleiads' number.'
> Calliope too ended: and her sisters voiced their praise.
> And so? All three were equally convincing.
> May the Muses' favour attend me equally,
> And let me never praise one more than the rest." - Ovid, Fasti V
>
> "The Kalends of May saw an altar dedicated
> To the Guardian Lares, with small statues of the gods.
> Curius vowed them: but time destroys many things,
> And the long ages wear away the stone.
> The reason for their epithet of Guardian,
> Is that they keep safe watch over everything.
> They support us, and protect the City walls,
> And they're propitious, and bring us aid.
> A dog, carved from the same stone, used to stand
> At their feet: why did it stand there with the Lares?
> Both guard the house: both are loyal to their master:
> Crossroads are dear to the god, and to dogs.
> Both the Lar and Diana's pack chase away thieves:
> And the Lares are watchful, and so are dogs." - Ovid, Fasti V
>
>
>
> Today is the Kalends of May; dedicated to Maia the mother of Mercury
> (whose name gives us that of the whole month), and the Lares
> praestites. Among the Lares publici we have mention of Lares
> praestites and Lares compitales, who are in reality the same, and
> differ only in regard to the place or occasion of their worship.
>
> The temple to the Lares is first mentioned in connection with a series
> of prodigious events (106 BC):
>
> "Amiterni cum ex ancilla puer nasceretur, ave dixit. In agro Perusino
> et Romae locis aliquot lacte pluit. Inter multa fulmine icta Atellis
> digiti hominis quattuor tamquam ferro praecisi. Argentum signatum
> afflatu fulminis diffluxit. In agro Trebulano mulier nupta civi Romano
> fulmine icta nec exanimata. Fremitus caelestis auditus et pila caelo
> cadere visa. Sanguine pluit. Romae interdiu fax sublime volans
> conspecta. In aede Larum flamma a fastigio ad summum columen
> penetravit innoxia. Per Caepionem consulem senatorum et equitum
> iudicia communicata. Cetera in pace fuerunt." - Iulius Obsequens 41
>
> And it was part of the original pomerium of the City:
>
> "Regum in eo ambitio vel gloria varie vulgata: sed initium condendi,
> et quod pomerium Romulus posuerit, noscere haud absurdum reor. igitur
> a foro boario, ubi aereum tauri simulacrum aspicimus, quia id genus
> animalium aratro subditur, sulcus designandi oppidi coeptus ut magnam
> Herculis aram amplecteretur; inde certis spatiis interiecti lapides
> per ima montis Palatini ad aram Consi, mox curias veteres, tum ad
> sacellum Larum, inde forum Romanum; forumque et Capitolium non a
> Romulo, sed a Tito Tatio additum urbi credidere. mox pro fortuna
> pomerium auctum. et quos tum Claudius terminos posuerit, facile
> cognitu et publicis actis perscriptum." - Tacitus, Annals xii.24
>
> ("There are various popular accounts of the ambitious and vainglorious
> efforts of our kings in this matter. Still, I think, it is interesting
> to know accurately the original plan of the precinct, as it was fixed
> by Romulus. From the ox market, where we see the brazen statue of a
> bull, because that animal is yoked to the plough, a furrow was drawn
> to mark out the town, so as to embrace the great altar of Hercules;
> then, at regular intervals, stones were placed along the foot of the
> Palatine hill to the altar of Consus, soon afterwards, to the old
> Courts, and then to the chapel of the Lares. The Roman forum and the
> Capitol were not, it was supposed, added to the city by Romulus, but
> by Titus Tatius. In time, the precinct was enlarged with the growth of
> Rome's fortunes. The boundaries now fixed by Claudius may be easily
> recognized, as they are specified in the public records.")
>
> Servius Tullius is said to have instituted their worship; and when
> Augustus improved the regulations of the city made by that king, he
> also renewed the worship of the public Lares. Their name, Lares
> praestites, characterises them as the protecting spirits of the city,
> in which they had a temple in the uppermost part of the Via Sacra,
> that is, near a compitum, whence they might be called compitales.
> This temple (Sacellum La/rum or aedes Laruni) contained two images,
> which were probably those of Romulus and Remus, and before them stood
> a stone figure of a dog, either the symbol of watchfulness or because
> a dog was the ordinary sacrifice offered to the Lares. Ovid says that
> the figure of the dog represented Diana's protective pack.
>
>
> "And Maia, the daughter of Atlas, bare to Zeus glorious Hermes, the
> herald of the deathless gods, for she went up into his holy bed." -
> Hesiod, Theogony 938
>
> "He [Hermes] was born of Maia, the daughter of Atlas, when she had
> mated with Zeus, a shy goddess she. Ever she avoided the throng of the
> blessed gods and lived in a shadowy cave, and there the Son of Kronos
> used to lie with the rich-tressed nymphe at dead of night, while
> white-armed Hera lay bound in sweet sleep: and neither deathless god
> nor mortal man knew it. And so hail to you, Son of Zeus and Maia." -
> Homeric Hymn XVII to Hermes 3
>
> "The oldest daughter Maia, after her intercourse with Zeus, bore
> Hermes in a cave on Kyllene. Though he was laid out in swaddling-
> clothes with her winnowing basket for a cradle, he escaped and made
> his way to Pieria, where he stole some cattle that Apollon was
> tending...Apollon learned who the thief was by divine science, and
> made his way to Maia on Kyllene to charge Hermes. Maia, however,
> showed Apollon the baby in his swaddling-clothes, whereupon Apollon
> took him to Zeus and demanded his cattle." - Apollodorus, The Library
> 3.112
>
> "The Pleiades" was the name given to the seven daughters of Atlas and
> Pleione. Maia was the eldest of the daughters, and said to be the most
> beautiful. Being shy, she lived quietly and alone in a cave on Mount
> Cyllene, in Arcadia. Zeus, however, discovered the beautiful young
> woman, and fell in love with her. He came to her cave at night, to
> make love to her away from the jealous eyes of his wife, Hera. As a
> result, Maia bore Zeus a son, Hermes.
>
> When still an infant, Hermes stole some cattle from the god Apollo,
> and hid them in his mother's cave. When Apollo stormed into Maia's
> cave, she showed him the tiny baby to prove he could not have been the
> cattle thief. Apollo was not fooled, however, and angrily appealed to
> Zeus to punish Hermes. Zeus arbitrated by requiring Hermes to give
> back the cattle. During the feud, baby Hermes played the lyre, and
> Apollo was so enchanted by the music that he dropped the charges, and
> even gave some of the cattle to Hermes, as well as other gifts.
>
> Some time later, Maia helped Zeus when Hera had caused the death of
> one of his other mistresses, Callisto, who had borne him a son, named
> Arcas. Zeus ordered Hermes to give Arcas to Maia to raise as her own,
> which she did. Arcas and Callisto were eventually placed in the sky,
> becoming the constellations Ursa Major and Ursa Minor (Big and Little
> Bear) to escape the wrath of the ever-jealous Hera.
>
> Valete bene!
>
> Cato
>

Salve Pontifex Maximus Sabine!

An excellent read and truly beautiful and inspiring ritual!

This morning, just before dawn, I woke my 14 y/o granddaughter and she participated, for the very first time, in a simple morning ritual et sacrifice of incense at my sacullum (the inside one because it was pouring and muddy).
She promptly went back to bed, as i usually do myself, but she was very pleased with the experience.

Today, I am going to take two of my most precious flowers, my 14 y/o and 17 y/o exquisite and graceful granddaughters for brunch!
Io Floralia!

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVETE!
>
> Hodie est Kalendae Maiae; haec dies fastus est: Feriae Maiae; Lares Praestites; Ludi Florales; Sacrum Iunonis Covellae.
>
> Feriae Maiae.
>
> "You ask where I think the name of May comes from?
> Its origin's not totally clear to me.
> As a traveler stands unsure which way to go,
> Seeing the paths fan out in all directions,
> So I'm not sure which to accept, since it's possible
> To give different reasons: plenty itself confuses.
> You who haunt the founts of Aganippian Hippocrene,
> Those beloved prints of the Medusaean horse, explain!
> The goddesses are in conflict. Polyhymnia begins,
> While the others silently consider her speech.
> `After the first Chaos, as soon as the three primary forms
> Were given to the world, all things were newly re-configured:
> Earth sank under its own weight, and drew down the seas,
> But lightness lifted the sky to the highest regions:
> And the sun and stars, not held back by their weight,
> And you, you horses of the moon, sprang high.
> But Earth for a long time wouldn't yield to Sky,
> Nor the other lights to the Sun: honours were equal.
> One of the common crowd of gods, would often dare
> To sit on the throne that you, Saturn, owned,
> None of the new gods took Ocean's side,
> And Themis was relegated to the lowest place,
> Until Honour, and proper Reverence, she
> Of the calm look, were united in a lawful bed.
> From them Majesty was born, she considers them
> Her parents, she who was noble from her day of birth."
> [Poetry translation: A.S. Kline: Ovid – Fasti, Book V, Introduction]
>
> Lares Praestites.
>
> "The Kalends of May saw an altar dedicated
> To the Guardian Lares, with small statues of the gods.
> Curius vowed them: but time destroys many things,
> And the long ages wear away the stone.
> The reason for their epithet of Guardian,
> Is that they keep safe watch over everything.
> They support us, and protect the City walls,
> And they're propitious, and bring us aid.
> A dog, carved from the same stone, used to stand
> At their feet: why did it stand there with the Lares?
> Both guard the house: both are loyal to their master:
> Crossroads are dear to the god, and to dogs."
> [Poetry translation: A.S. Kline: Ovid – Fasti, Book V, May 1, Kalends]
>
> This day, capite velato, I have invoked Iuno Covella on the 7th day by saying the traditional formula:
>
> "Die Septimi te kalo Iuno Covella"
>
> I offered incense and saying prayers I asked the Goddess to be favorable toward us, the entire Nova Roman community.
>
> The festivals to be celebrated in the month of May shall be:
>
> MAIUS:
>
> 1 F Nundina; Feriae Maiae, Ludi Florales; Lares Praestites.
> 2 F Dies ater; Ludi Florales.
> 3 C Ludi Florales.
> 4 C
> 5 C
> 6 C
> 7 F Nonae
> 8 F Dies ater
> 9 N Nundina; religious; Lemuria.
> 10 C
> 11 N Religiosus Lemuria.
> 12 C
> 13 N Religiosus Lemuria.
> 14 C
> 15 NP Ides; religiosus Feriae Iovi; Mercuralia.
> 16 F Dies ater
> 17 C Nundina.
> 18 C
> 19 C
> 20 C
> 21 NP Agonium Vediovi
> 22 N
> 23 NP Tubilustrum
> 24 QRCF
> 25 C Nundina
> 26 C
> 27 C
> 28 C
> 29 C
> 30 C
> 31 C
>
> At the end I poured a libation of honeyed milk thanking to the Goddess for Her benevolence.
>
> VALETE,
> Sabinus
>

Ave!

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:45 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Ave Sulla,
>
> To clarify what you took you of context, and was not an accusation, but a
> question asked re: your statement:
>
>
> >When I went to defend Metellus against Iulia's accusation of what
> >has Metellus done in the Religio Front.
>
> I asked a simple question specifically related to ritual based on the issue
> of ritual "contributing to ensuring the safety and welfare of our Res
> Publica by working to maintain the Gods":
> "When was the last time you performed a ritual in honor of the Gods to
> benefit the public?"
> I made no accusations, I simply asked a specific question but you chose to
> spin it to what it was not. Bad form. That is the fact, you can manipulate
> the words all you want and take it out of context but this does not change
> the the content. Either this is a weak tactic or a reading comprehension
> problem or a post traumatic effect caused by the past animosities that have
> plagued NR.
>
>

I am going to respectfully disagree with you. Your entire response to
Metellus was just what have you done for the Religio.. You brought up the
question about his rituals, which you noted here. And you also brought up
his mentoring of others. It was accusatory maybe you did not mean it that
way, but it is the way it came across to me when I read it, Hence my
response given the fact that I know just what he has been doing for the
Religio and hehe has Metellus himself pointed out I left things out in my
response, which if I had remembered I would have noted. The way I see it
there is hardly a Pontiff who is as busy as Metellus in NR.

> In the Yahwist and Vedic Religions, (I use this example because we have
> enough history to know this), there have been Monks, Priests, Pandits and
> Rabbanim who for reasons of physical impairments such as muteness and
> illness, mental impairments and intellectual impairments do not perform
> public services, they do however act in a "scribe" capacity, such as writing
> or composing much needed tasks and where there is no intellectual
> impairment, they may even create texts based on their particular sect and
> belief and submit it for review or are even the reviewers.
>

Iulia, with all due respect, your knowledge of Yahwist knowledge needs
reflection. :) First there is a holiday in Judaism called Yom Kippur (and
for that matter Erev Yom Kippur).

Erev Yom Kippur is the day before the Day of Atonement where Jews go and
seek forgiveness for those individuals who we have done wrong. This I would
call a public ritual though personal in nature.
Yom Kippur is the Day of Atonement - one of the most sacred days in the
Jewish Calendar and holiday. It has public rituals (which I will expand up
soon) but it is a holiday that the entire Jewish People seek forgiveness
from YHWH for the sins that we have committed as a community.

Most importantly, and the key area where I feel you need to be corrected on
is that while the Temple in Jerusalem does not exist (yet), when it will be
constructed (and it will be in time) I can assure you that animal sacrifice
and all the public rituals that are commanded in the Torah will be conducted
again, exactly as it was during the first and second temple period. There
are many organizations that exist that are working toward that goal (The
Temple Institute is one of that that I visit monthly.).

So, while at present, the public rituals are not on the forefront, they do
exist and more importantly when the foundations are properly established you
can be assured that public rituals will be carried out in Jerusalem by
Cohens and other Levites and Priests.

I hope this clears up any misconceptions for you.

Respectfully,

Sulla

> The message here is that there is something for everyone to do according to
> their abilities and talents.
>
> Good Morning Sulla! I bid you a good rest of the day!
> Pax, Pax, Pax!
>
> Vale bene
>
> Julia
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ave Sulla,

*laughs* Just hard to believe you when you say: "respectively."


I will just say this though, keeping to the original context (of which you sought to change, once again), which is regarding a Rabbi who is incapable of performing service (look it up there are many references to support my statement) - Kohan is deaf mute Rabbi and therefore in most circumstances cannot perform public service by himself.

This is finished as far as i am concerned, but prattle on to your heart's content;)

Vale,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave!
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:45 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ave Sulla,
> >
> > To clarify what you took you of context, and was not an accusation, but a
> > question asked re: your statement:
> >
> >
> > >When I went to defend Metellus against Iulia's accusation of what
> > >has Metellus done in the Religio Front.
> >
> > I asked a simple question specifically related to ritual based on the issue
> > of ritual "contributing to ensuring the safety and welfare of our Res
> > Publica by working to maintain the Gods":
> > "When was the last time you performed a ritual in honor of the Gods to
> > benefit the public?"
> > I made no accusations, I simply asked a specific question but you chose to
> > spin it to what it was not. Bad form. That is the fact, you can manipulate
> > the words all you want and take it out of context but this does not change
> > the the content. Either this is a weak tactic or a reading comprehension
> > problem or a post traumatic effect caused by the past animosities that have
> > plagued NR.
> >
> >
> I am going to respectfully disagree with you. Your entire response to
> Metellus was just what have you done for the Religio.. You brought up the
> question about his rituals, which you noted here. And you also brought up
> his mentoring of others. It was accusatory maybe you did not mean it that
> way, but it is the way it came across to me when I read it, Hence my
> response given the fact that I know just what he has been doing for the
> Religio and hehe has Metellus himself pointed out I left things out in my
> response, which if I had remembered I would have noted. The way I see it
> there is hardly a Pontiff who is as busy as Metellus in NR.
>
>
> > In the Yahwist and Vedic Religions, (I use this example because we have
> > enough history to know this), there have been Monks, Priests, Pandits and
> > Rabbanim who for reasons of physical impairments such as muteness and
> > illness, mental impairments and intellectual impairments do not perform
> > public services, they do however act in a "scribe" capacity, such as writing
> > or composing much needed tasks and where there is no intellectual
> > impairment, they may even create texts based on their particular sect and
> > belief and submit it for review or are even the reviewers.
> >
>
> Iulia, with all due respect, your knowledge of Yahwist knowledge needs
> reflection. :) First there is a holiday in Judaism called Yom Kippur (and
> for that matter Erev Yom Kippur).
>
> Erev Yom Kippur is the day before the Day of Atonement where Jews go and
> seek forgiveness for those individuals who we have done wrong. This I would
> call a public ritual though personal in nature.
> Yom Kippur is the Day of Atonement - one of the most sacred days in the
> Jewish Calendar and holiday. It has public rituals (which I will expand up
> soon) but it is a holiday that the entire Jewish People seek forgiveness
> from YHWH for the sins that we have committed as a community.
>
> Most importantly, and the key area where I feel you need to be corrected on
> is that while the Temple in Jerusalem does not exist (yet), when it will be
> constructed (and it will be in time) I can assure you that animal sacrifice
> and all the public rituals that are commanded in the Torah will be conducted
> again, exactly as it was during the first and second temple period. There
> are many organizations that exist that are working toward that goal (The
> Temple Institute is one of that that I visit monthly.).
>
> So, while at present, the public rituals are not on the forefront, they do
> exist and more importantly when the foundations are properly established you
> can be assured that public rituals will be carried out in Jerusalem by
> Cohens and other Levites and Priests.
>
> I hope this clears up any misconceptions for you.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Sulla
>
>
> > The message here is that there is something for everyone to do according to
> > their abilities and talents.
> >
> > Good Morning Sulla! I bid you a good rest of the day!
> > Pax, Pax, Pax!
> >
> > Vale bene
> >
> > Julia
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Q Caecilius Metellus pontifex Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit.

Saluete, Quirites.

What follows is the calendar for the eighth full nundinum of the
current sacral year, starting 01 May 2011 and continuing through 09
May 2011. As always, I shall be glad to answer whatever questions may
be had.

Our eighth nundinum of the year consists of the following nine days:

- 01 May 2011 (Kal. Mai.): the day is fastus
- 02 May 2011 (a.d. VI Non. Mai.): the day is fastus
- 03 May 2011 (a.d. V Non. Mai.): the day is comitialis
- 04 May 2011 (a.d. IV Non. Mai.): the day is comitialis
- 05 May 2011 (a.d. III Non. Mai.): the day is comitialis
- 06 May 2011 (pr. Non. Mai.): the day is comitialis
- 07 May 2011 (Non. Mai.): the day is religiosus, and fastus
- 08 May 2011 (a.d. VIII Id. Mai.): the day is ater, and fastus
- 09 May 2011 (a.d. VII Id. Mai.): the day is religiosus, and nefastus

This nundinum begins with the continuation of the Ludi Flor(e/i)ales
(through to 03 May). Equally, the month begins with the Feriae Maiae,
as noted in my previous nundinal post. On the authority of the Fasti
Venusini, these kalends are also designated for particular worship of
the Lares Praestites, and also, the dedication day of the aedes to Bona
Dea. On the tails of the Ludi Florales, the celebrations to Bona Dea
began at dusk of 03 May, lasting until the following dawn. Finally, of
note, 09 (also 11 and 13) May is marked in the calendars specifically
denoting the Lemuria, in honour of the dead.

Romani pietatis exemplum sint.

Kalendis Maiis
Phoenice, Arizonae scr.
P Ullerio C Equitio coss.

Ave Iulia,

First, I like you, Iulia. That is why I put respectfully directly to you.
But, I could not allow inaccurate and wrong information go unchallenged (and
I would think that would go for you as well, if I had said something
incorrect about the Religio).

Again, about the Kohen, your knowledge is just not accurate. They are
descendents from the High Priest Aaron of the Torah, brother of Moshe. They
are the pinnacle of the Jewish Priestly class. They are not, as you stated
a deaf mute Rabbi (where are you getting your information?).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohen

If you would like to discuss this further we can take it offlist, because it
is better to have correct knowledge than to be ignorant of the truth.

Vale,

Sulla

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:58 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Ave Sulla,
>
> *laughs* Just hard to believe you when you say: "respectively."
>
> I will just say this though, keeping to the original context (of which you
> sought to change, once again), which is regarding a Rabbi who is incapable
> of performing service (look it up there are many references to support my
> statement) - Kohan is deaf mute Rabbi and therefore in most circumstances
> cannot perform public service by himself.
>
> This is finished as far as i am concerned, but prattle on to your heart's
> content;)
>
> Vale,
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ave!
> >
> > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:45 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> > luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ave Sulla,
> > >
> > > To clarify what you took you of context, and was not an accusation, but
> a
> > > question asked re: your statement:
> > >
> > >
> > > >When I went to defend Metellus against Iulia's accusation of what
> > > >has Metellus done in the Religio Front.
> > >
> > > I asked a simple question specifically related to ritual based on the
> issue
> > > of ritual "contributing to ensuring the safety and welfare of our Res
> > > Publica by working to maintain the Gods":
> > > "When was the last time you performed a ritual in honor of the Gods to
> > > benefit the public?"
> > > I made no accusations, I simply asked a specific question but you chose
> to
> > > spin it to what it was not. Bad form. That is the fact, you can
> manipulate
> > > the words all you want and take it out of context but this does not
> change
> > > the the content. Either this is a weak tactic or a reading
> comprehension
> > > problem or a post traumatic effect caused by the past animosities that
> have
> > > plagued NR.
> > >
> > >
> > I am going to respectfully disagree with you. Your entire response to
> > Metellus was just what have you done for the Religio.. You brought up the
> > question about his rituals, which you noted here. And you also brought up
> > his mentoring of others. It was accusatory maybe you did not mean it that
> > way, but it is the way it came across to me when I read it, Hence my
> > response given the fact that I know just what he has been doing for the
> > Religio and hehe has Metellus himself pointed out I left things out in my
> > response, which if I had remembered I would have noted. The way I see it
> > there is hardly a Pontiff who is as busy as Metellus in NR.
> >
> >
> > > In the Yahwist and Vedic Religions, (I use this example because we have
> > > enough history to know this), there have been Monks, Priests, Pandits
> and
> > > Rabbanim who for reasons of physical impairments such as muteness and
> > > illness, mental impairments and intellectual impairments do not perform
> > > public services, they do however act in a "scribe" capacity, such as
> writing
> > > or composing much needed tasks and where there is no intellectual
> > > impairment, they may even create texts based on their particular sect
> and
> > > belief and submit it for review or are even the reviewers.
> > >
> >
> > Iulia, with all due respect, your knowledge of Yahwist knowledge needs
> > reflection. :) First there is a holiday in Judaism called Yom Kippur (and
> > for that matter Erev Yom Kippur).
> >
> > Erev Yom Kippur is the day before the Day of Atonement where Jews go and
> > seek forgiveness for those individuals who we have done wrong. This I
> would
> > call a public ritual though personal in nature.
> > Yom Kippur is the Day of Atonement - one of the most sacred days in the
> > Jewish Calendar and holiday. It has public rituals (which I will expand
> up
> > soon) but it is a holiday that the entire Jewish People seek forgiveness
> > from YHWH for the sins that we have committed as a community.
> >
> > Most importantly, and the key area where I feel you need to be corrected
> on
> > is that while the Temple in Jerusalem does not exist (yet), when it will
> be
> > constructed (and it will be in time) I can assure you that animal
> sacrifice
> > and all the public rituals that are commanded in the Torah will be
> conducted
> > again, exactly as it was during the first and second temple period. There
> > are many organizations that exist that are working toward that goal (The
> > Temple Institute is one of that that I visit monthly.).
> >
> > So, while at present, the public rituals are not on the forefront, they
> do
> > exist and more importantly when the foundations are properly established
> you
> > can be assured that public rituals will be carried out in Jerusalem by
> > Cohens and other Levites and Priests.
> >
> > I hope this clears up any misconceptions for you.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> >
> > > The message here is that there is something for everyone to do
> according to
> > > their abilities and talents.
> > >
> > > Good Morning Sulla! I bid you a good rest of the day!
> > > Pax, Pax, Pax!
> > >
> > > Vale bene
> > >
> > > Julia
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Nerva Omnibus sal.

You are welcome the citizens of Rome. I am pleased to announce that on the 17th of April T. Flavius Severus the governor of the province Sarmatia approved oppidum Aquilo, the most northern local community of New Rome. Despite all the difficulties, Sarmatia is developed actively by T. Flavius Severus and his able leadership, carrying the glory of Rome to the farthest corners of the Earth.

Optime valete!
T. Servilius Nerva

C. Maria Caeca T. Servilio Nervae et omnibus in foro S. P. D.

May the gods proper this Opidum, and Provincia Sarmatia! I wish I could come and celebrate this event with you, offer my good wished personally, and help you in any I could, but that is impossible. So I give you what I can, my very best wishes, and prayers to Vesta Mater for a very successful Opidum!

Vale et valete quam optime!

C. Maria Caeca, Sacerdos Vestae

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ave Sulla!

Um, I think something may have gotten lost in translation. (smile) unless
I am mistaken, Julia's point was that in many faiths, including yours.
There are priests and other religious officials who, for one reason or
another, cannot perform public rituals. However, they do perform other
duties.

I don't think she meant that there were no public rituals in Judaism,
whether they are being currently performed or not. I am sure she is well
read enough to know at least a little of your history, (and probably) more)
to know that rituals were performed, and I am sure she believes,strongly, as
do I, that they will be again. I don't think she was being all inclusive
here. However, I found your corrections very interesting because they
provide information.

Vale et valete

Maria Caeca

Ave Sulla,

I would love the opportunity to discuss this offline at some point although I am not an expert Rabbi Daniel Levitt was my source on that matter here in Nashville - we spoke ear to ear. I am not sure why he referred thusly to the impaired priest as I had also understood as you did.

Yes, I agree, Religio and Pontifical issues should be dealt with by cultores *smile* just as when I am visiting with my Jewish friends or their Temple I do not get involved, just listen.

I also agree that errors should be connected, but there is a way to do it, peaceably.

Pax to you,

Vale bene,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Iulia,
>
> First, I like you, Iulia. That is why I put respectfully directly to you.
> But, I could not allow inaccurate and wrong information go unchallenged (and
> I would think that would go for you as well, if I had said something
> incorrect about the Religio).
>
> Again, about the Kohen, your knowledge is just not accurate. They are
> descendents from the High Priest Aaron of the Torah, brother of Moshe. They
> are the pinnacle of the Jewish Priestly class. They are not, as you stated
> a deaf mute Rabbi (where are you getting your information?).
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohen
>
> If you would like to discuss this further we can take it offlist, because it
> is better to have correct knowledge than to be ignorant of the truth.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:58 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ave Sulla,
> >
> > *laughs* Just hard to believe you when you say: "respectively."
> >
> > I will just say this though, keeping to the original context (of which you
> > sought to change, once again), which is regarding a Rabbi who is incapable
> > of performing service (look it up there are many references to support my
> > statement) - Kohan is deaf mute Rabbi and therefore in most circumstances
> > cannot perform public service by himself.
> >
> > This is finished as far as i am concerned, but prattle on to your heart's
> > content;)
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Julia
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ave!
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:45 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> > > luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ave Sulla,
> > > >
> > > > To clarify what you took you of context, and was not an accusation, but
> > a
> > > > question asked re: your statement:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >When I went to defend Metellus against Iulia's accusation of what
> > > > >has Metellus done in the Religio Front.
> > > >
> > > > I asked a simple question specifically related to ritual based on the
> > issue
> > > > of ritual "contributing to ensuring the safety and welfare of our Res
> > > > Publica by working to maintain the Gods":
> > > > "When was the last time you performed a ritual in honor of the Gods to
> > > > benefit the public?"
> > > > I made no accusations, I simply asked a specific question but you chose
> > to
> > > > spin it to what it was not. Bad form. That is the fact, you can
> > manipulate
> > > > the words all you want and take it out of context but this does not
> > change
> > > > the the content. Either this is a weak tactic or a reading
> > comprehension
> > > > problem or a post traumatic effect caused by the past animosities that
> > have
> > > > plagued NR.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I am going to respectfully disagree with you. Your entire response to
> > > Metellus was just what have you done for the Religio.. You brought up the
> > > question about his rituals, which you noted here. And you also brought up
> > > his mentoring of others. It was accusatory maybe you did not mean it that
> > > way, but it is the way it came across to me when I read it, Hence my
> > > response given the fact that I know just what he has been doing for the
> > > Religio and hehe has Metellus himself pointed out I left things out in my
> > > response, which if I had remembered I would have noted. The way I see it
> > > there is hardly a Pontiff who is as busy as Metellus in NR.
> > >
> > >
> > > > In the Yahwist and Vedic Religions, (I use this example because we have
> > > > enough history to know this), there have been Monks, Priests, Pandits
> > and
> > > > Rabbanim who for reasons of physical impairments such as muteness and
> > > > illness, mental impairments and intellectual impairments do not perform
> > > > public services, they do however act in a "scribe" capacity, such as
> > writing
> > > > or composing much needed tasks and where there is no intellectual
> > > > impairment, they may even create texts based on their particular sect
> > and
> > > > belief and submit it for review or are even the reviewers.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Iulia, with all due respect, your knowledge of Yahwist knowledge needs
> > > reflection. :) First there is a holiday in Judaism called Yom Kippur (and
> > > for that matter Erev Yom Kippur).
> > >
> > > Erev Yom Kippur is the day before the Day of Atonement where Jews go and
> > > seek forgiveness for those individuals who we have done wrong. This I
> > would
> > > call a public ritual though personal in nature.
> > > Yom Kippur is the Day of Atonement - one of the most sacred days in the
> > > Jewish Calendar and holiday. It has public rituals (which I will expand
> > up
> > > soon) but it is a holiday that the entire Jewish People seek forgiveness
> > > from YHWH for the sins that we have committed as a community.
> > >
> > > Most importantly, and the key area where I feel you need to be corrected
> > on
> > > is that while the Temple in Jerusalem does not exist (yet), when it will
> > be
> > > constructed (and it will be in time) I can assure you that animal
> > sacrifice
> > > and all the public rituals that are commanded in the Torah will be
> > conducted
> > > again, exactly as it was during the first and second temple period. There
> > > are many organizations that exist that are working toward that goal (The
> > > Temple Institute is one of that that I visit monthly.).
> > >
> > > So, while at present, the public rituals are not on the forefront, they
> > do
> > > exist and more importantly when the foundations are properly established
> > you
> > > can be assured that public rituals will be carried out in Jerusalem by
> > > Cohens and other Levites and Priests.
> > >
> > > I hope this clears up any misconceptions for you.
> > >
> > > Respectfully,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message here is that there is something for everyone to do
> > according to
> > > > their abilities and talents.
> > > >
> > > > Good Morning Sulla! I bid you a good rest of the day!
> > > > Pax, Pax, Pax!
> > > >
> > > > Vale bene
> > > >
> > > > Julia
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve Nerva!

Best of luck to you and Severus and to Sarmatia!

Vale bene,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "T. Servilius Nerva" <tsnerva@...> wrote:
>
> Nerva Omnibus sal.
>
> You are welcome the citizens of Rome. I am pleased to announce that on the 17th of April T. Flavius Severus the governor of the province Sarmatia approved oppidum Aquilo, the most northern local community of New Rome. Despite all the difficulties, Sarmatia is developed actively by T. Flavius Severus and his able leadership, carrying the glory of Rome to the farthest corners of the Earth.
>
> Optime valete!
> T. Servilius Nerva
>

Ace Maria C!

You are absolutely correct on all points!

Gratias,

Vale bene,

Julia

P.S. Maria, now I have to finish making a baby with my granddaughter out of clay. And no Sulla we are not making a Golum *laughs*

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> wrote:
>
> Ave Sulla!
>
> Um, I think something may have gotten lost in translation. (smile) unless
> I am mistaken, Julia's point was that in many faiths, including yours.
> There are priests and other religious officials who, for one reason or
> another, cannot perform public rituals. However, they do perform other
> duties.
>
> I don't think she meant that there were no public rituals in Judaism,
> whether they are being currently performed or not. I am sure she is well
> read enough to know at least a little of your history, (and probably) more)
> to know that rituals were performed, and I am sure she believes,strongly, as
> do I, that they will be again. I don't think she was being all inclusive
> here. However, I found your corrections very interesting because they
> provide information.
>
> Vale et valete
>
> Maria Caeca
>

Ave!

Anytime you want to discuss it I am on skype.

And, I am going to respectfully disagree with you about just the cultors. I
am a Senator of Nova Roma and thusly I have a responsibity to defend the
Religio. Not only that but I am also a Nova Roman and thusly have a right.
Remember, I think it was Scullard or Scheid (sp) who said that the state and
the Religio were so intertwined to be inseparable. Therefore as a member of
the State establishment it behooves each of us who are senators to ensure
that the Mos is properly established and followed, hence this debate.

I suggest you get involved and ask questions, we Jews are very open to
questions and very welcome to inquiry and debate. :)

Vale,

Sulla

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

>
>
> Ave Sulla,
>
> I would love the opportunity to discuss this offline at some point although
> I am not an expert Rabbi Daniel Levitt was my source on that matter here in
> Nashville - we spoke ear to ear. I am not sure why he referred thusly to the
> impaired priest as I had also understood as you did.
>
> Yes, I agree, Religio and Pontifical issues should be dealt with by
> cultores *smile* just as when I am visiting with my Jewish friends or their
> Temple I do not get involved, just listen.
>
> I also agree that errors should be connected, but there is a way to do it,
> peaceably.
>
> Pax to you,
>
> Vale bene,
>
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ave Iulia,
> >
> > First, I like you, Iulia. That is why I put respectfully directly to you.
> > But, I could not allow inaccurate and wrong information go unchallenged
> (and
> > I would think that would go for you as well, if I had said something
> > incorrect about the Religio).
> >
> > Again, about the Kohen, your knowledge is just not accurate. They are
> > descendents from the High Priest Aaron of the Torah, brother of Moshe.
> They
> > are the pinnacle of the Jewish Priestly class. They are not, as you
> stated
> > a deaf mute Rabbi (where are you getting your information?).
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohen
> >
> > If you would like to discuss this further we can take it offlist, because
> it
> > is better to have correct knowledge than to be ignorant of the truth.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:58 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> > luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ave Sulla,
> > >
> > > *laughs* Just hard to believe you when you say: "respectively."
> > >
> > > I will just say this though, keeping to the original context (of which
> you
> > > sought to change, once again), which is regarding a Rabbi who is
> incapable
> > > of performing service (look it up there are many references to support
> my
> > > statement) - Kohan is deaf mute Rabbi and therefore in most
> circumstances
> > > cannot perform public service by himself.
> > >
> > > This is finished as far as i am concerned, but prattle on to your
> heart's
> > > content;)
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Julia
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ave!
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:45 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> > > > luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ave Sulla,
> > > > >
> > > > > To clarify what you took you of context, and was not an accusation,
> but
> > > a
> > > > > question asked re: your statement:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >When I went to defend Metellus against Iulia's accusation of what
> > > > > >has Metellus done in the Religio Front.
> > > > >
> > > > > I asked a simple question specifically related to ritual based on
> the
> > > issue
> > > > > of ritual "contributing to ensuring the safety and welfare of our
> Res
> > > > > Publica by working to maintain the Gods":
> > > > > "When was the last time you performed a ritual in honor of the Gods
> to
> > > > > benefit the public?"
> > > > > I made no accusations, I simply asked a specific question but you
> chose
> > > to
> > > > > spin it to what it was not. Bad form. That is the fact, you can
> > > manipulate
> > > > > the words all you want and take it out of context but this does not
> > > change
> > > > > the the content. Either this is a weak tactic or a reading
> > > comprehension
> > > > > problem or a post traumatic effect caused by the past animosities
> that
> > > have
> > > > > plagued NR.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > I am going to respectfully disagree with you. Your entire response to
> > > > Metellus was just what have you done for the Religio.. You brought up
> the
> > > > question about his rituals, which you noted here. And you also
> brought up
> > > > his mentoring of others. It was accusatory maybe you did not mean it
> that
> > > > way, but it is the way it came across to me when I read it, Hence my
> > > > response given the fact that I know just what he has been doing for
> the
> > > > Religio and hehe has Metellus himself pointed out I left things out
> in my
> > > > response, which if I had remembered I would have noted. The way I see
> it
> > > > there is hardly a Pontiff who is as busy as Metellus in NR.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > In the Yahwist and Vedic Religions, (I use this example because we
> have
> > > > > enough history to know this), there have been Monks, Priests,
> Pandits
> > > and
> > > > > Rabbanim who for reasons of physical impairments such as muteness
> and
> > > > > illness, mental impairments and intellectual impairments do not
> perform
> > > > > public services, they do however act in a "scribe" capacity, such
> as
> > > writing
> > > > > or composing much needed tasks and where there is no intellectual
> > > > > impairment, they may even create texts based on their particular
> sect
> > > and
> > > > > belief and submit it for review or are even the reviewers.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Iulia, with all due respect, your knowledge of Yahwist knowledge
> needs
> > > > reflection. :) First there is a holiday in Judaism called Yom Kippur
> (and
> > > > for that matter Erev Yom Kippur).
> > > >
> > > > Erev Yom Kippur is the day before the Day of Atonement where Jews go
> and
> > > > seek forgiveness for those individuals who we have done wrong. This I
> > > would
> > > > call a public ritual though personal in nature.
> > > > Yom Kippur is the Day of Atonement - one of the most sacred days in
> the
> > > > Jewish Calendar and holiday. It has public rituals (which I will
> expand
> > > up
> > > > soon) but it is a holiday that the entire Jewish People seek
> forgiveness
> > > > from YHWH for the sins that we have committed as a community.
> > > >
> > > > Most importantly, and the key area where I feel you need to be
> corrected
> > > on
> > > > is that while the Temple in Jerusalem does not exist (yet), when it
> will
> > > be
> > > > constructed (and it will be in time) I can assure you that animal
> > > sacrifice
> > > > and all the public rituals that are commanded in the Torah will be
> > > conducted
> > > > again, exactly as it was during the first and second temple period.
> There
> > > > are many organizations that exist that are working toward that goal
> (The
> > > > Temple Institute is one of that that I visit monthly.).
> > > >
> > > > So, while at present, the public rituals are not on the forefront,
> they
> > > do
> > > > exist and more importantly when the foundations are properly
> established
> > > you
> > > > can be assured that public rituals will be carried out in Jerusalem
> by
> > > > Cohens and other Levites and Priests.
> > > >
> > > > I hope this clears up any misconceptions for you.
> > > >
> > > > Respectfully,
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message here is that there is something for everyone to do
> > > according to
> > > > > their abilities and talents.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good Morning Sulla! I bid you a good rest of the day!
> > > > > Pax, Pax, Pax!
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale bene
> > > > >
> > > > > Julia
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Ave,

Iulia, I have a question for you....based on your question that only cultors
should deal with Religio and Pontifical issues. Are you stating that those
who are not cultors are visitors to NR? Or that we are second class
citizens in this organization? Because taken your words as you said
them....and laying it out there....that is where this goes. Remember last
year and Hortensia's call for civil war!

Either we are all citizens of this organization and thusly able to discuss
and debate matters of all strips and subject matter or we are not.

Either we are all Nova Romans or we are not.

I should not even have had to throw out my Senator position..or that I have
been Consul twice of Nova Roma....I am a Nova Roman and that is GOD DAMNED
ENOUGH reason for me to state my opinion regarding matters of Religion,
regardless if you like my opinion or not. It carries the same weight as
yours because we are both Nova Romans.

Vale,

Sulla

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...>wrote:

> Ave!
>
> Anytime you want to discuss it I am on skype.
>
> And, I am going to respectfully disagree with you about just the cultors.
> I am a Senator of Nova Roma and thusly I have a responsibity to defend the
> Religio. Not only that but I am also a Nova Roman and thusly have a right.
> Remember, I think it was Scullard or Scheid (sp) who said that the state and
> the Religio were so intertwined to be inseparable. Therefore as a member of
> the State establishment it behooves each of us who are senators to ensure
> that the Mos is properly established and followed, hence this debate.
>
> I suggest you get involved and ask questions, we Jews are very open to
> questions and very welcome to inquiry and debate. :)
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ave Sulla,
>>
>> I would love the opportunity to discuss this offline at some point
>> although I am not an expert Rabbi Daniel Levitt was my source on that matter
>> here in Nashville - we spoke ear to ear. I am not sure why he referred
>> thusly to the impaired priest as I had also understood as you did.
>>
>> Yes, I agree, Religio and Pontifical issues should be dealt with by
>> cultores *smile* just as when I am visiting with my Jewish friends or their
>> Temple I do not get involved, just listen.
>>
>> I also agree that errors should be connected, but there is a way to do it,
>> peaceably.
>>
>> Pax to you,
>>
>> Vale bene,
>>
>>
>> Julia
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ave Iulia,
>> >
>> > First, I like you, Iulia. That is why I put respectfully directly to
>> you.
>> > But, I could not allow inaccurate and wrong information go unchallenged
>> (and
>> > I would think that would go for you as well, if I had said something
>> > incorrect about the Religio).
>> >
>> > Again, about the Kohen, your knowledge is just not accurate. They are
>> > descendents from the High Priest Aaron of the Torah, brother of Moshe.
>> They
>> > are the pinnacle of the Jewish Priestly class. They are not, as you
>> stated
>> > a deaf mute Rabbi (where are you getting your information?).
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohen
>> >
>> > If you would like to discuss this further we can take it offlist,
>> because it
>> > is better to have correct knowledge than to be ignorant of the truth.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> >
>> > Sulla
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:58 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
>> > luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Ave Sulla,
>> > >
>> > > *laughs* Just hard to believe you when you say: "respectively."
>> > >
>> > > I will just say this though, keeping to the original context (of which
>> you
>> > > sought to change, once again), which is regarding a Rabbi who is
>> incapable
>> > > of performing service (look it up there are many references to support
>> my
>> > > statement) - Kohan is deaf mute Rabbi and therefore in most
>> circumstances
>> > > cannot perform public service by himself.
>> > >
>> > > This is finished as far as i am concerned, but prattle on to your
>> heart's
>> > > content;)
>> > >
>> > > Vale,
>> > >
>> > > Julia
>> > >
>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Ave!
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:45 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
>> > > > luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Ave Sulla,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > To clarify what you took you of context, and was not an
>> accusation, but
>> > > a
>> > > > > question asked re: your statement:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >When I went to defend Metellus against Iulia's accusation of what
>> > > > > >has Metellus done in the Religio Front.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I asked a simple question specifically related to ritual based on
>> the
>> > > issue
>> > > > > of ritual "contributing to ensuring the safety and welfare of our
>> Res
>> > > > > Publica by working to maintain the Gods":
>> > > > > "When was the last time you performed a ritual in honor of the
>> Gods to
>> > > > > benefit the public?"
>> > > > > I made no accusations, I simply asked a specific question but you
>> chose
>> > > to
>> > > > > spin it to what it was not. Bad form. That is the fact, you can
>> > > manipulate
>> > > > > the words all you want and take it out of context but this does
>> not
>> > > change
>> > > > > the the content. Either this is a weak tactic or a reading
>> > > comprehension
>> > > > > problem or a post traumatic effect caused by the past animosities
>> that
>> > > have
>> > > > > plagued NR.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > I am going to respectfully disagree with you. Your entire response
>> to
>> > > > Metellus was just what have you done for the Religio.. You brought
>> up the
>> > > > question about his rituals, which you noted here. And you also
>> brought up
>> > > > his mentoring of others. It was accusatory maybe you did not mean it
>> that
>> > > > way, but it is the way it came across to me when I read it, Hence my
>> > > > response given the fact that I know just what he has been doing for
>> the
>> > > > Religio and hehe has Metellus himself pointed out I left things out
>> in my
>> > > > response, which if I had remembered I would have noted. The way I
>> see it
>> > > > there is hardly a Pontiff who is as busy as Metellus in NR.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > In the Yahwist and Vedic Religions, (I use this example because we
>> have
>> > > > > enough history to know this), there have been Monks, Priests,
>> Pandits
>> > > and
>> > > > > Rabbanim who for reasons of physical impairments such as muteness
>> and
>> > > > > illness, mental impairments and intellectual impairments do not
>> perform
>> > > > > public services, they do however act in a "scribe" capacity, such
>> as
>> > > writing
>> > > > > or composing much needed tasks and where there is no intellectual
>> > > > > impairment, they may even create texts based on their particular
>> sect
>> > > and
>> > > > > belief and submit it for review or are even the reviewers.
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Iulia, with all due respect, your knowledge of Yahwist knowledge
>> needs
>> > > > reflection. :) First there is a holiday in Judaism called Yom Kippur
>> (and
>> > > > for that matter Erev Yom Kippur).
>> > > >
>> > > > Erev Yom Kippur is the day before the Day of Atonement where Jews go
>> and
>> > > > seek forgiveness for those individuals who we have done wrong. This
>> I
>> > > would
>> > > > call a public ritual though personal in nature.
>> > > > Yom Kippur is the Day of Atonement - one of the most sacred days in
>> the
>> > > > Jewish Calendar and holiday. It has public rituals (which I will
>> expand
>> > > up
>> > > > soon) but it is a holiday that the entire Jewish People seek
>> forgiveness
>> > > > from YHWH for the sins that we have committed as a community.
>> > > >
>> > > > Most importantly, and the key area where I feel you need to be
>> corrected
>> > > on
>> > > > is that while the Temple in Jerusalem does not exist (yet), when it
>> will
>> > > be
>> > > > constructed (and it will be in time) I can assure you that animal
>> > > sacrifice
>> > > > and all the public rituals that are commanded in the Torah will be
>> > > conducted
>> > > > again, exactly as it was during the first and second temple period.
>> There
>> > > > are many organizations that exist that are working toward that goal
>> (The
>> > > > Temple Institute is one of that that I visit monthly.).
>> > > >
>> > > > So, while at present, the public rituals are not on the forefront,
>> they
>> > > do
>> > > > exist and more importantly when the foundations are properly
>> established
>> > > you
>> > > > can be assured that public rituals will be carried out in Jerusalem
>> by
>> > > > Cohens and other Levites and Priests.
>> > > >
>> > > > I hope this clears up any misconceptions for you.
>> > > >
>> > > > Respectfully,
>> > > >
>> > > > Sulla
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > The message here is that there is something for everyone to do
>> > > according to
>> > > > > their abilities and talents.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Good Morning Sulla! I bid you a good rest of the day!
>> > > > > Pax, Pax, Pax!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Vale bene
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Julia
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Ave :)

I understand that was her point, but she was mistaken. There are public
rituals in my faith that must be conducted. This is why I mentioned Yom
Kippur as the most obvious. :) Even in other YHWHist religions there are a
plethora of examples of public rituals. Islam has the Hajj. Various paths
of Christianity have Easter and Christmas traditions. When I attended CBC,
they had sunrise services for Easter - thankfully I never attended those,
LOL

In conclusion, that was my point to provide those corrections to provide
information. :)

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 2:08 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

>
>
> Ave Sulla!
>
> Um, I think something may have gotten lost in translation. (smile) unless
> I am mistaken, Julia's point was that in many faiths, including yours.
> There are priests and other religious officials who, for one reason or
> another, cannot perform public rituals. However, they do perform other
> duties.
>
> I don't think she meant that there were no public rituals in Judaism,
> whether they are being currently performed or not. I am sure she is well
> read enough to know at least a little of your history, (and probably) more)
>
> to know that rituals were performed, and I am sure she believes,strongly,
> as
> do I, that they will be again. I don't think she was being all inclusive
> here. However, I found your corrections very interesting because they
> provide information.
>
> Vale et valete
>
> Maria Caeca
>
>
>


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Q Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus s.d.

Saluete iterum, Quirites. Si ualetis, optime sumus; nos di semper
ament.

I need not now re-address the fact that T Iulius has not addressed the
issues raised in this forum: his words speak for themselves. I will,
however, address his contention that I have said nothing on the issue I
raised, that requirements and expectations should be in existence prior
to appointing individuals to office, since I have done precisely that
many times over the years. Most recently, and most readily available,
is what was posted by T Iulius himself, what I sent privately to a
number of my colleagues. This can be found as message #106 to the
current mailing list for the Conlegium Pontificum, where I am quoted: "I
do not believe it is an appropriate time for us to appoint individuals
to offices for which the duties are not well, if at all, defined. It is
important for a person accepting duties and expectations to know what
those are and will be *before* accepting such; it is equally important
for one's "superiors" to know these duties and expectations, so that
they may be appropriately brought to task when those duties are not
being performed and when the expectations are not being met." I have,
in fact, raised this very same sentiment no shortage of times before
now: must I repeat it at every turn?

Furthermore, L Iulia has yet again failed, in her own admission, to
address the issue I raised. She says herself: "... I never did address,
or discuss, the issue of 'job descriptions'..." Now, she goes further,
in stating that the Romans did not themselves have such things.
Although I could disprove this with some adept quotes from ancient
authors, it seems more fitting that we consider the implication here a
bit further. The implication is that, what Rome did not have, we should
not have in Nova Roma. Surely Rome did not have computers, nor did it
have electricity. Shall we rid ourselves of those? Let us go further,
though. If we shall not have what Rome did not, then we should
immediately go about the business of removing from Pompeia Minucia the
dignity of having been consul and senatrix, among other things, and from
Patricia Cassia the dignity of being praetrix and senatrix, among others
too, the same for our present Aula Tullia, and we should remove from our
present Statia Cornelia the dignity of being curule aedile, and from
Gaia Valeria the dignity of being plebeian aedile, yet too from Vibia
Rutilia and Diana Octavia their respective dignities of the tribunate,
and whilst we are at it, from L Iulia herself the dignity of the
pontificate, since Rome is surely not known to have had women in the
pontificate. I do not propose that we truly should do those things: I
certainly consider nearly all the members of that list my friends past
and present, and I do not believe that sex should be a determining
factor, but if we are to ignore those things that Rome did not have,
this is the path that follows, and only a glimpse thereof.

Again, Quirites, we are returned to this. The Conlegium Pontificum, as
evidenced by what has been posted to this very forum over the past
weeks, is prepared to accept candidacies for offices, when yet there are
no stated qualifications, no stated expectations of performance, nor
even any stated duties to be performed. How it is even reasonably under
consideration to accept and review candidacies, when there are no clear
pictures of what a candidate should or should not be, is beyond all
comprehension, yet this is the path currently being undertaken. I
greatly pray, Quirites, that this has sufficiently met your awareness,
as the sacra are not for me personally, nor for any single one of us,
but for all of us, as we are *all*, of whatever personal belief and
creed we may be, members of this Res Publica.

Di Romanis faueant.

A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis
S.P.D.

All students in the current Grammatica I b course have submitted their
final examination, which means that I can accept new registrations in this
course (and the Grammatica II course for those qualified) as soon as I
perform a few quick operations on the respective course sites.

Prospective students must have the textbook (Wheelock¹s Latin, by
Frederic M. Wheelock, sixth edition revised by Richard A. LaFleur) before
being allowed to register. They must also prove this to my satisfaction.
All prospective students who fulfill these conditions should contact me
privately. Students who have completed Grammatica I at some time in the
past, or who have had at least one year of meaningful college-level Latin
instruction, are eligible to register for Grammatica II.

The Grammatica courses are quite traditional in their approach, though I
bring in modern spoken Latin as well, and expose the students to vocabulary
and other items not taught in the Wheelock text. After the first week,
there is written homework every week for the sake of practicing what has
been presented in the lesson; assessment is via a test at the end of each
semester. Well before the end of Grammatica II, we pass from dealing with
grammatical forms and syntax to reading extended passages from various
ancient authors so that the students become familiar with some of the
greatest Roman authors. The work is not easy, but it is well worth the
effort.

At present we cannot register anyone in the assimilation method Sermo
Latinus courses as one of the entry-level ones is finishing its final
examination and the other should have started, but instead is working on its
last assignment of the course.

We have had several inquiries about admission to all of our courses; I
shall register anyone who meets the qualifications and has the text as soon
as possible.

Valete.


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Salve amice.

Excellent news! My congratulations to all in Sarmatia for this wonderful step forward.

Vale bene
Caesar

--- On Sun, 5/1/11, T. Servilius Nerva <tsnerva@...> wrote:

> From: T. Servilius Nerva <tsnerva@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] New oppidum in Sarmatia
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 2:39 PM
> Nerva Omnibus sal.
>
> You are welcome the citizens of Rome. I am pleased to
> announce that on the 17th of April T. Flavius Severus the

Ave!

Of coarse, you are absolutely right, as I have good reason to know. Having
been a respectful observer in many synagogues at one time or another.
Somehow I became focused on the rituals which will be performed publicly in
the Temple in Jerusalem. Once it is rebuilt, and completely forgot about
everything else. I think though that Julia's point was simply that some
trained priests in all religions cannot, or choose not to perform rituals
due to a physical or mental handicap; but that they perform other, less
public services.

Vale,

Caeca

C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

As so often happens, one line of a post will set me thinking and my mind
will wander far afield.

Before I begin my usual ramble, however, I do want to say something about
one of Sulla's comments. On the day that Sabbinus Censor attempts to grab
every office, political and religious, or expresses vicious and absolute
disrespect for every magistrate, political, and religious in the state, and
refuses to recognize or honor every institution secular and religious, in
the State or tries to destroy the Res publica, I will happily compare him to
Piscinus and or Modianus. Since I think the likelihood of his doing any of
these things is about as great as the likelihood that the sun will not rise
tomorrow, I doubt that such comparisons will be coming any time soon. I may
not agree with all of his actions, especially as sensor, (particularly the
notas for Auden's and Cato, which I found inappropriate, unnecessary, and
absurd). But I do not consider him a traitor to the state which the two
former citizens in question are. I believe that he has done and is doing
that which he thinks best for the state, and if I disagree, I will say so.
I have no problem disagreeing with the actions of magistrates, as I have
demonstrated. I disagreed with Albucius Consul last year, to the extent
that I received a private reprimand (which I accepted, but which did not
deter me in the least). However, I did not feel the need to attack him
personally, and my respect for him, remained and still does. Again, it is
my belief that he felt he was acting in the best interests of the Republic,
and my disapproval of those actions was just that and no more: disapproval
of his actions.

I also disagreed very strongly with the actions of Hortensia as praetor, and
if you will remember Sulla, some of those disagreements were on your behalf.
While by electing officials, their citizens place trust in them to act on
behalf of the state, and while those officials can destroy that trust by
consistently performing actions, which at least, potentially, can damage the
state, I do not think that we have such magistrates at this time.

I got to thinking about trust, how it is earned, how it is maintained, how
it is destroyed, and the responsibilities for each party in that
relationship. Of coarse there are levels of trust, some professional, some
for a single purpose, some personal, and some deeply personal and intimate.
I had to trust a whole team of surgeons who I had never met because someone
needed to put me back together, and I do not have the skills or knowledge to
do that. So, I did, and they did a good job. I have to trust my attorney
in matters which could benefit me financially. I do so because A. He has
the skills to do this job and I do not; and be. The more I benefit the more
he benefits, so it is in his interest to do well by me.

When I vote for a public official, I trust them to do a good job. If they
don't, I don't vote for them again; but their actions have no real personal
impact on me. On the other hand, there are a very few people, some on this
list, with whom I would trust my life and or safety. This is far more
personal, and is a result of what I have observed of their conduct.
Naturally, it implies a greater risk. These people could hurt me on many
levels, but I am willing to take that chance.

Yes, trust is a two-way street; but I think it is important to make a
determination that actions are, in fact, a breach of trust, and not merely a
difference of opinion as to how things should be done.
Valete bene.

C. Maria Caeca

Ave Caeca, et Omnes,

I just want to clarify one thing, since it seems to have been taken out of
context. It was Sabinus's statement that Metellus was my tool....that I had
compared him primarily through that statement and that statement only to the
words Piscinus used and to Modianus as well. ONLY that statement. As I
stated in my response to Sabinus himself, I would have never made that
comparison, nor had I ever felt there was any similarity to warrant the
comparison,

Only that Piscinus has stated in the past that Metellus was my own personal
tool.
Only that Modianus called Metellus my Padawan Learner.
And then Sabinus stated the same thing,

The trust issue is something else entirely given that I was the one who
requested the Tribunes to exercise their veto powers to protect the
individuals Senator Audens and Consul Cato over what I viewed as an abusive
use of Censorial Nota, One, that I had begged the Censors not to exercise
to my futility. Exercising that power in brute force is one that I can
forgive but we as citizens cannot forget. Trust is a two way street and NOT
given freely but earned over time and and over one keeping ones principles
and being consistent.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 6:45 PM, C.Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

>
>
> C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.
>
> As so often happens, one line of a post will set me thinking and my mind
> will wander far afield.
>
> Before I begin my usual ramble, however, I do want to say something about
> one of Sulla's comments. On the day that Sabbinus Censor attempts to grab
> every office, political and religious, or expresses vicious and absolute
> disrespect for every magistrate, political, and religious in the state, and
>
> refuses to recognize or honor every institution secular and religious, in
> the State or tries to destroy the Res publica, I will happily compare him
> to
> Piscinus and or Modianus. Since I think the likelihood of his doing any of
> these things is about as great as the likelihood that the sun will not rise
>
> tomorrow, I doubt that such comparisons will be coming any time soon. I may
>
> not agree with all of his actions, especially as sensor, (particularly the
> notas for Auden's and Cato, which I found inappropriate, unnecessary, and
> absurd). But I do not consider him a traitor to the state which the two
> former citizens in question are. I believe that he has done and is doing
> that which he thinks best for the state, and if I disagree, I will say so.
> I have no problem disagreeing with the actions of magistrates, as I have
> demonstrated. I disagreed with Albucius Consul last year, to the extent
> that I received a private reprimand (which I accepted, but which did not
> deter me in the least). However, I did not feel the need to attack him
> personally, and my respect for him, remained and still does. Again, it is
> my belief that he felt he was acting in the best interests of the Republic,
>
> and my disapproval of those actions was just that and no more: disapproval
> of his actions.
>
> I also disagreed very strongly with the actions of Hortensia as praetor,
> and
> if you will remember Sulla, some of those disagreements were on your
> behalf.
> While by electing officials, their citizens place trust in them to act on
> behalf of the state, and while those officials can destroy that trust by
> consistently performing actions, which at least, potentially, can damage
> the
> state, I do not think that we have such magistrates at this time.
>
> I got to thinking about trust, how it is earned, how it is maintained, how
> it is destroyed, and the responsibilities for each party in that
> relationship. Of coarse there are levels of trust, some professional, some
> for a single purpose, some personal, and some deeply personal and intimate.
>
> I had to trust a whole team of surgeons who I had never met because someone
>
> needed to put me back together, and I do not have the skills or knowledge
> to
> do that. So, I did, and they did a good job. I have to trust my attorney
> in matters which could benefit me financially. I do so because A. He has
> the skills to do this job and I do not; and be. The more I benefit the more
>
> he benefits, so it is in his interest to do well by me.
>
> When I vote for a public official, I trust them to do a good job. If they
> don't, I don't vote for them again; but their actions have no real personal
>
> impact on me. On the other hand, there are a very few people, some on this
> list, with whom I would trust my life and or safety. This is far more
> personal, and is a result of what I have observed of their conduct.
> Naturally, it implies a greater risk. These people could hurt me on many
> levels, but I am willing to take that chance.
>
> Yes, trust is a two-way street; but I think it is important to make a
> determination that actions are, in fact, a breach of trust, and not merely
> a
> difference of opinion as to how things should be done.
>
> Valete bene.
>
> C. Maria Caeca
>
>
>


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Avete omnes,

Je trouve que ce forum est trop envahi par des anglophones qui sont bien les seuls à comprendre les arguties d'un débat que d'aucun ont en privé appelé surréaliste. Je suis bien mal à l'aise pour intervenir sur ces problèmes, alors que pourtant il s'agit, sans aucun doute, de problèmes qui concernent à la fois le collège pontifical, la religion romaine et le Sénat.

Il semble que le pontife Q. Metellus ait quelque chose à reprocher au pontifex maximus, mais au lieu d'attendre une réunion plénière du CP pour en discuter, se répand en une diatribe qui tourne sottement à une sorte de règlement de comptes et à un étalage de mauvaise foi aggravé par des interventions ad hominem.

Tout cela est attristant et j'en appelle au calme et à discuter de ce qui semble ne pas aller en une réunion pour clarifier tout cela.

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VI Nonas Maias P. Vllerio C. Equitio coss.

Salvete omnes,

A temporary morale boost but unfortunately there will be many willing to
take his place. I think there will be some retaliation soon so nobody will
be letting their guard down.

QSP