SALVETE!

Currently I wonder which is the effective role of custodes and diribitores while using the voting.place system?

VALETE,
Sabinus

I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla aka Denise Diniz Rodrigues, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla aka DeniseDiniz Rodrigues, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla aka DeniseDiniz Rodrigues, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla aka DeniseDiniz Rodrigues, further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Tribunus Plebis to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Tribunus Plebis and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

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Ave!

That is a good question! I hope that in the coming year we can look at
some of these positions and either consolidate or close out some of the
more redundant positions. Like do we really need 8 Quaestor Positions at
this stage of NR? Do we really need to Plebian Aedile positions Or better
can we just have one Plebian and one Curule Aedile position? Can we just
combine the Custodes and Dribitores positions?

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> SALVETE!
>
> Currently I wonder which is the effective role of custodes and diribitores
> while using the voting.place system?
>
> VALETE,
> Sabinus
>
>
>


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Salve et salvete,

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:42 AM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>wrote:

> **
> Very, very good question.
>

Um... yes it is rather.

> I think the presiding magistrate of elections need to figure out the way.
> It's his jurisdiction now, based on the SCU.
>
> I agree with Sulla, candidates themselves may present their opinion,
> citizens who have an opinion about that but near them, I am curious to hear
> the new elected tribunes opinion too. That helps for decision.
>
We do not have any body of law to handle this particular scenario. In a
sense, we have a situation where we do not have a 'candidate' for Censor
suffectus for next year. Since we anticipate another election next year
then it could be a matter where both Censors elected this year could stand
for reelection as the suffectus. However, that would clearly be a matter of
interpretation and I would agree with Sabinus that the SCU on elections,
passed by the Senate in October, would authorize the Consuls to determine
the appropriate formula for resolving this situation with an edictum;
according to Item 5 of the SCU.

That would be my thoughts, without consultation with my new colleagues.
They may have a differing opinion on the matter.

Vale et valete bene,

Volusus

>
> VALETE,
> Sabinus
>
> "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
> To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:25 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Question on the Censor's Position
>
>
>
>
> Avete Omnes,
>
> Can someone please clarify, maybe the candidates or the Consuls...we have
> two Censor positions open for this election cycle. One is for 1-year and
> the second is for 2-years. How is this going to be decided?
>
> Does each candidate for Censor get to state which one they prefer the 1 or
> 2 year seat? Is it going to be decided by lot? Does it get decided by who
> gets the most centuries?
>
> Which candidate prefers which seat? Why?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Sulla
>
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In a message dated 12/12/2011 8:35:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
iulius_sabinus@... writes:

applaud your candidacy and your dedication to serve.

However do you have a statement? It is there an agenda for your next year
office if elected?

Senator and Censor:
Agenda? Are you suggesting I should be interested in reforming the
Censor's office? Should I declare and lead a lustratio around Nova Roma's
virtual boundaries? Or conduct a census of all able body Nova Romanoi to be in a
Consular Army?

In the Nova Roma Constitution the Censors' duties are spelled out. I see
no problem carrying them out.

If you want to talk reform in the censor's office, yes I have some ideas
based on Flavius Vedius' and my discussions several years ago during the
unfortunate Fabius Modonius affair. However, I believe NR to be too small for
any complex changes just simple ones at this time. Censors should focus
on the citizens rolls, maintain the correct number of qualified Senators,
and vote as members of the Senate. I see you as the Senior Censor carrying
out your two year term.

This idea that Censors place Notas at the drop of a hat as a club, and act
as moderators of public morality is in my opinion rather silly, those
censoral duties existed in times of war, when public morale was most important,
and traitors to the Roman state had to be dealt with harshly. The 21st
century has no Italian or Punic Wars, and if the Senate property qualification
was enforced we would have maybe three Senators.
As dealing with traitors? Sedation seems best served by permanent
banishment and that should be handled by the Praetorian Magistrates and the
assembly.

As for my Qualifications?

Q. Fabius Maximus Paterfamilias of Patrician Gens Fabia.
In public office I have been
Consul
Praetor
Quaestor (twice)
Curule Aedile
Accencis (Thrice)
I'm a member of the College of Pontiffs, a ranking member of the Sodalitas
Militarium, as Praefectus Legionus, and have been a citizen since Oct
1998.

Vale et Valete
I know pretty much all the aspects






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In a message dated 12/12/2011 11:38:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
robert.woolwine@... writes:

So, in practical purposes how is this going to be
handled? Do each of the candidates need to come out and expressly state
they are running for the Suffectus post? Basically is there a procedure in
place that I am just not aware of?

When the Illustrious P. Memmius Albucius stepped down the Senate should
have appointed a Suffectus.

They did not. Therefore, the current Censor Sabinus becomes the 1 year
man whose office expires end Dec. 2012, and the newly elected Censor for 2012
office expires end Dec 2013.

The only other way I can see it as favorable to the Gods is to declare
the Censorship open to two electees and vacate Sabinus' office end dec 2012,
and throw lots for who is the one year and the two year man among the
victors.

Q. Fabius Maximus



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Caesar Sabino sal.
 
Since the tallying is done automatically, that rather negates the purpose of the diribitores. The lots might have to be used to split a tie, so out of the two the custodes are the only ones that have relevance under the current system. As the Votingplace system allows for a maximum of 3 persons, we could temporaily:
 
1. Suspend the office of the dirbitor as it is redundant.
2. Use two custodes on the account to split ties if required (p person operating the plus the third person operating the system
3. Suspend both the offices of the diribitores and custodes and substitute witht he two censors who could oboth oversee and split ties, plus the adminstrator of the system.

I prefer (3).

Optime vale

From: Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:12 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Question on vigintisexviri


 
SALVETE!

Currently I wonder which is the effective role of custodes and diribitores while using the voting.place system?

VALETE,
Sabinus




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SALVE ET SALVETE!
 
From: "QFabiusMaxmi@..." <QFabiusMaxmi@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Declaration of candidacy - Censor QFM replies


 


In a message dated 12/12/2011 8:35:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
iulius_sabinus@... writes:

applaud your candidacy and your dedication to serve.

However do you have a statement? It is there an agenda for your next year
office if elected?

<Senator and Censor:
Agenda? Are you suggesting I should be interested in reforming the Censor's office? Should I declare and lead a lustratio around Nova Roma's virtual boundaries? Or conduct a census of all able body Nova Romanoi to be in a
Consular Army?

In the Nova Roma Constitution the Censors' duties are spelled out. I see no problem carrying them out.

If you want to talk reform in the censor's office, yes I have some ideas based on Flavius Vedius' and my discussions several years ago during the unfortunate Fabius Modonius affair. However, I believe NR to be too small for any complex changes just simple ones at this time. Censors should focus on the citizens rolls, maintain the correct number of qualified Senators, and vote as members of the Senate. I see you as the Senior Censor carrying out your two year term.>>>

When it comes about citizens, things are simpler right now with the lex Equitia de tirocinio requirements waived.  That was good movement of the Senate and I will not repeat the advantages.

If we are here at this point of reforms and connected with the subject about citizenship, I am curious to hear, if possible, your opinion about the minors' citizenship in NR. Our Constitution grant citizenship to any person 18 years old and older. However, citizens may apply for citizenship on behalf of their children or legal wards and such citizens shall be known as impuberes.

One of the points waived of lex Equitia de tirocinio, point V.A, at one moment, was viewed different by me and my former colleague. He believed that through "minor citizens who join NR" one may understand any minor applicant to citizenship. I sustained that the term"minor citizens" is in fact the same with what our Constitution define as impuberes. In short, Albucius sustained that minors applicants have the right to NR citizenship, under tutela ( based of lex Equitia familiaris) while I sustain that only already citizens children have the right for citizenship.

During the time "parental approval" term was implemented in the censorial office. With all my efforts I was not able to find something about "parental approval" in our laws. My only conclusion is that the term "parental approval" usage try to replace an omission, a grey area from leges Equitae.

As a note, I point out I discussed the subject with Caesar. He as praetor has the right to interpret the law and praetores are involved in that act of granting tutela. This time I believe we were wrong in our conclusion.

My question is: how you see the things here? If elected censor, how you will handle that issue of minors?

<This idea that Censors place Notas at the drop of a hat as a club, and act as moderators of public morality is in my opinion rather silly, those censoral duties existed in times of war, when public morale was most important, and traitors to the Roman state had to be dealt with harshly. The 21st century has no Italian or Punic Wars, and if the Senate property qualification was enforced we would have maybe three Senators. As dealing with traitors? Sedation seems best served by permanent banishment and that should be handled by the Praetorian Magistrates and the assembly.>>>

Here I don't enter in details. Each elected censor has the right to act in line with what believes. I understand your point and I add that indeed, public morality is subjective and a term which opens infinite debates.

<As for my Qualifications?

Q. Fabius Maximus Paterfamilias of Patrician Gens Fabia.
In public office I have been
Consul
Praetor
Quaestor (twice)
Curule Aedile
Accencis (Thrice)
I'm a member of the College of Pontiffs, a ranking member of the Sodalitas
Militarium, as Praefectus Legionus, and have been a citizen since Oct
1998. >>>

I really appreciate those who are here whatever happened during the time. Without doubts you are one of them and that is very important. While performing the census this year I received replies from citizens I didn't heard in my 7 years from when I joined to NR. More than that, I received very prompt replies to my inquiry from them. With some I discussed a little. They are citizens since '98, '99. It was impressive! In that moment I had a strong feeling of appartenance and I knew NR is more than what the words can describe.

VALETE,
Sabinus
Vale et Valete
I know pretty much all the aspects

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EX OFFICIO C. EQUITI CATONI CONSULIS

Under the authority granted me by the Senatus consultum ultimum regarding elections, I hereby announce that the formal contio for magisterial elections will begin at sunrise (CET - 1am US Eastern time) on a.d. XVII Kal. Ian. (December 16th) and finish at sunset (CET - 1pm US Eastern time) on a.d. XIV Kal. Ian. (December 19th); the actual
vote in the Comitia Populi Tributa will begin at sunrise on a.d. XIII Kal. Ian. (December 20th) and finish at sunset on a.d. IX Kal. Ian. (December 24th). Voting in the Comitia Centuriata will begin at sunrise on a.d. VII Kal. Ian. (26th December) and end at sunset on a.d. III Kal. Ian. (December 30th).

Given by my hand this prid. Id. Dec. P. Ullerio Venatori C. Equiti Catoni coss.

SALVE ET SALVETE!

I took a look to their website and arrived to the conclusion that their anniversary special is real a deal. NR need independent provider.

VALETE,
Sabinus
 
"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius


________________________________
From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Consulship - my opening agenda

Ave!

I just wanted to mention before for webhosting, there is a company I have a
great deal of experience in working with.  They host my company's website.
It is called Hosting Matters.,

They have an anniversary special that I believe will met all of NR's needs:

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Vale,

Sulla

On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <
gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

> **
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>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar V. Valerio Voluso sal.
>
> I missed a couple of points:
>
> VVV: 3. What volunteer resources are available to you - who would do
> the actual work?
>
> CnIC: Resources - not sure what you are specifically referring to.
> Personnel: Me. That way I know it will get done.
>
>
> 4. What do you anticipate being the total expenditure/budget to
> achieve the goals of these initiatives (rough estimate)?"
>
> CnIC: In respect of the webtools and webpage, we could if we wanted and
> used rudimentary databases do it virtually for nothing. That leaves the
> total for hosting. As to the budget I could guess, but I won't. That needs
> an analysis by the CFO and looking at some expenditure items and seeing
> whether we can trim some fat. That is a senatorial decision so until I were
> elected, there isn't much point going there in detail. I can say
> expenditure = as little as possible and budget likely to be not very much.
> Keeping a balanced budget with at least revenue neutral results or at best
> a small increase in funds after expenditure is my goal.
>
> Optime vale
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>
> To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:12 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Consulship - my opening agenda
>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar V. Valerio Voluso sal.
>
> My answers to your questions and points.
>
> VVV: "I must admit that I share Petronius Dexter's concerns about the
> feasibility of handling seven parallel initiatives, particularly when at
> least six of
> the seven are quite ambitious and would take a great deal of time to
> manage in one year."
>
> 
>

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Aeternia Sabino sal:


In regards to your first question, the ability of the Praetors to change
laws usually relies on the good will of the Consuls to make room for any
legislation. If they support it then I think we need a new model. The only
few trials we have had either were upsetting, or confusing or both to many
people. We need a simpler yet fair model with arbitration and mediation
options available before we even consider trials. Maybe making those
options possibly mandatory.

As to the second question the one example I can think of when a Praetor
adapted the law was in the trial of Cincinnatus, when because he didn't
turn up for trial and there was a gap in the law, the Praetor created the
offense of failing to attend by edict, if I am correct. That caused a huge
storm so creating law by edict is dangerous and we should tread very
carefully. I would always give the benefit of such an act to the
defendant. So my path would be conservative because people have to rely on
the law not changing suddenly and if I did it, in a fair and of course just
manner.


Vale Optime,
Aeternia


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Salve,

Greetings fellow gens member. Not to sound redundant but I am also
interested to hear in your strategy as well.

Thank you for your willingness to stand and even better to serve.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia



--
*"Fortes fortuna iuvat"*


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Salve et Salvete Omnes,


I apologize for my late response to this, congratulations to our newly
elected Tribunes and Aediles!

Also would like to extend my thanks to this years Tribunes for their hard
work and dedication.

Vale et Valete bene,
Aeternia


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Salvete "the Praetor created the offense of failing to attend by edict, if I am correct. That caused a huge
storm so creating law by edict is dangerous and we should tread very carefully. " The trial of Cincinnatus was a show trial and a farce. The Praetor might have been able to create an offence in ancient Rome but it is not permitted in Nova Roma. The constitution was amended long before trial of Cincinnatus to prohibit ex post facto laws. Which is making something an offence or crime after it has already taken place. I co-authored the amendment with Marinus. Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: syrenslullaby@...
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:01:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Statement of Intent-- Praetorial Candidacy




























Aeternia Sabino sal:



In regards to your first question, the ability of the Praetors to change

laws usually relies on the good will of the Consuls to make room for any

legislation. If they support it then I think we need a new model. The only

few trials we have had either were upsetting, or confusing or both to many

people. We need a simpler yet fair model with arbitration and mediation

options available before we even consider trials. Maybe making those

options possibly mandatory.



As to the second question the one example I can think of when a Praetor

adapted the law was in the trial of Cincinnatus, when because he didn't

turn up for trial and there was a gap in the law, the Praetor created the

offense of failing to attend by edict, if I am correct. That caused a huge

storm so creating law by edict is dangerous and we should tread very

carefully. I would always give the benefit of such an act to the

defendant. So my path would be conservative because people have to rely on

the law not changing suddenly and if I did it, in a fair and of course just

manner.



Vale Optime,

Aeternia



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On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 6:37 AM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

> **
> In a message dated 12/12/2011 11:38:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> robert.woolwine@... writes:
>
> So, in practical purposes how is this going to be
> handled? Do each of the candidates need to come out and expressly state
> they are running for the Suffectus post? Basically is there a procedure in
> place that I am just not aware of?
>
> When the Illustrious P. Memmius Albucius stepped down the Senate should
> have appointed a Suffectus.
>

Unfortunately, that was not done, as is should have.

> They did not. Therefore, the current Censor Sabinus becomes the 1 year
> man whose office expires end Dec. 2012, and the newly elected Censor for
> 2012
> office expires end Dec 2013.
>

My understanding is that Censor Sabinus has served his second term and
cannot serve another term in office under the current Constitution. The
consuls are empowered to resolve this with an edictum and they could choose
to extend Censor Sabinus' office for another year. However, though I
personally have the highest respect for Censor Sabinus, who has brought
great credit to the office, I would prefer that the consuls not use the
power granted under the SCU to either appoint or reappoint a Censor to
office.

I would prefer the consuls to either resolve this by allowing the election
of two censores and declaring an electoral formula (e.g. most number of
votes is the 2 year censor) by edictum or to simply defer, and allow two
censores to be elected for one year and defer the resolution of the
suffectus issue until after the 2011 elections (e.g. Let the Senate issue
an SC to resolve the issue of the 2012 election).

I think the deferment might turn out to be the only option, since the SCU
expires 31st Dec 2011 and so does any edictum issued by the consul. This
year's consuls cannot bind next years consuls by an edict. Let the 2012
Senate decide how to handle 2012 - and hope they do so long before the 2012
elections start!

Valete bene

V. Valerius Volusus

> The only other way I can see it as favorable to the Gods is to declare
> the Censorship open to two electees and vacate Sabinus' office end dec
> 2012,
> and throw lots for who is the one year and the two year man among the
> victors.
>




>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
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Salvete omnnes,

Aeternia's interpretation:
"the Praetor created the offense of failing to attend by edict, if I am correct. That caused a huge

> storm so creating law by edict is dangerous and we should tread very carefully. "

VS
Paulinus knowledgeable post:
The trial of Cincinnatus was a show trial and a farce. The Praetor might have been able to create an offence in ancient Rome but it is not permitted in Nova Roma. The constitution was amended long before trial of Cincinnatus to prohibit ex post facto laws. Which is making something an offence or crime after it has already taken place. I co-authored the amendment with Marinus.

The office of Praetor is more than babysitting, moderating the ML. The ML was quiet this year because NR was dormant - it was no test of skill, law or diplomacy. In my opinion Aeternia does not have the knowledge, skills or temperament to deal with situations that came up in the past few years.
As for law, its obvious there is a deficit here - and the office of Praetor revolves around the law.

Valete bene,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salvete "the Praetor created the offense of failing to attend by edict, if I am correct. That caused a huge
> storm so creating law by edict is dangerous and we should tread very carefully. " The trial of Cincinnatus was a show trial and a farce. The Praetor might have been able to create an offence in ancient Rome but it is not permitted in Nova Roma. The constitution was amended long before trial of Cincinnatus to prohibit ex post facto laws. Which is making something an offence or crime after it has already taken place. I co-authored the amendment with Marinus. Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: syrenslullaby@...
> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:01:23 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Statement of Intent-- Praetorial Candidacy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Aeternia Sabino sal:
>
>
>
> In regards to your first question, the ability of the Praetors to change
>
> laws usually relies on the good will of the Consuls to make room for any
>
> legislation. If they support it then I think we need a new model. The only
>
> few trials we have had either were upsetting, or confusing or both to many
>
> people. We need a simpler yet fair model with arbitration and mediation
>
> options available before we even consider trials. Maybe making those
>
> options possibly mandatory.
>
>
>
> As to the second question the one example I can think of when a Praetor
>
> adapted the law was in the trial of Cincinnatus, when because he didn't
>
> turn up for trial and there was a gap in the law, the Praetor created the
>
> offense of failing to attend by edict, if I am correct. That caused a huge
>
> storm so creating law by edict is dangerous and we should tread very
>
> carefully. I would always give the benefit of such an act to the
>
> defendant. So my path would be conservative because people have to rely on
>
> the law not changing suddenly and if I did it, in a fair and of course just
>
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V. Valerius Volusus Sta. Corneliae Aeterniae S.P.D.

Firstly, I would like to thank you Aeternia for all the hard work you
poured into fulfilling your duties as Aedilis Curule this year. When I
started as a new citizen there appeared to be very little for me to do or
contribute, but the one thing that stood out and cast sunshine on NR were
the Ludi that you and the Aedilician Cohors organized. I was very honored
that you invited me to join the Cohors and to work on the Ludi Romani;
providing an equal opportunity to participate in NR life, and giving me as
much opportunity to shine as I was willing to volunteer for.

Any magistrate who can 'talent scout' new citizens, build a functioning and
happy team, allow others take the limelight, and motivate everyone in her
team to be their best, is an absolute treasure to an organization of
volunteers such as ours. Sadly, it seems, that your gracious promotion of
others might have been misconceived by some. In any case, I thank you for
giving me opportunities to be involved. One thing is absolutely certain,
that without your inspiration I would not be serving as tribunus plebis
right now!

That brings me to my question. The Praetor may be required to provide an
interpretation of law. You have stated your overall approach to be
consultative, such that is your "intent to encourage a liaison of contact
between all of the involved Magistrates". Could you please clarify that in
the event of wide disagreement between other magistrates or lack of input,
for whatever reason, that you would be still be able to reach an adequate
and sound interpretation independently?

I wish you good luck with your campaign.

Vale optime

Volusus

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...

> wrote:

> Sta. Cornelia Aeternia T. Iulio Sabino Censori Omnibusque S.P.D.
>
> To address your response and the matters that rose yesterday, this is my
> official statement of intent for the office as Praetor.
>
> As previously announced I have declared my candidacy as Praetor. Here is a
> more comprehensive look as how I see myself fulfilling this position.
>
> From observation there seems to be three obstacles that Praetors face
> outside of smaller various tasks that are also assigned with this position.
> First the moderation of our Main Forum, secondly the often confusing nature
> of word interpretation of our Constitution, which as elected Praetor which
> will include contributing to any debates and assisting in the review of any
> proposals to repair the Constitution, and thirdly dealing with any
> potential trials that would fall under the current legal system of Nova
> Roma.
>
> The first item, the moderation of the Main Forum. As I have observed
> during this year, the moderation edict and methods applied by this year's
> praetors seems quite effective. It balances a light hand with the
> responsibility to behave appropriately. My intention is to continue in
> their footsteps and I would apply the same effective methods. As many of
> you have observed this year through the deliverance of this year�s Ludi, I
> am quite capable of running a Cohors. Outside of the Censors Office, the
> Aedilician Cohors was the second busiest Cohors within Nova Roma, so the
> running the Praetura is well within my scope of competence.
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> Secondly regarding the Constitution, the interpretation of it requires not
> only input from the Praetors, but also involves the Consuls, Censors, and
> Tribunes. It is my intent to encourage a liaison of
> contact between all of the involved Magistrates as mentioned above so that
> in times when interpretation is required there can be available to the
> magistrate concerned, if they so wish, a full range of opinions.
>
> Last but not least Trials, which is a unfortunate aspect that dwells within
> Nova Roma. Until there is a change within the legal system process for
> trials and prosecutions, they have to be administered in a fair, expedient
> and just manner. That means conducting any trial according to the law of
> Nova Roma as it is written per the Lex Salicia Iudicaria and Lex Salicia
> Poenalis. Although again following in the footsteps of one of the current
> Praetors, all prospective litigants should be aware that upon successful
> election. I will make the responsibility of the person commencing the
> prosecution to work hard to just get his or her case accepted, and I will
> encourage alternative routes in lieu of a trial, and to offer mediation or
> arbitration such disputes outside of a formal trial process, if all parties
> willingly agree to it.
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> The position of Praetor is a grave one. It can impact people's lives in
> Nova Roma, through moderation, trials etc. The rather lighthearted and fun
> approach that I brought to the office of Curule Aedile is not that which
> the office of Praetor demands. What worked as an approach and demeanor for
> planning, promoting and executing the ludi in the Aedilician Cohors will
> not work for the praetura. It demands gravitas, as some were good enough to
> remind me ;) and gravitas it will get from me if elected. We all have our
> own perception of how to integrate Romanitas into our lives, and yes my
> approach is sometimes more lighthearted than some may at times appreciate,
> but we each own our Romanitas and we each find our own path. Not every
> ancient Roman was some rigid little stick-in-the-mud. They did have the
> capacity to laugh, crack a joke and be lighthearted.
>
> If any are concerned that the practices in other groups I have belonged to
> in the past (such as the SCA), or do now belong to, in anyway influence
> how I see Nova Roma, do not be. I am above all, and always have been,
> dedicated to the founding principles of our republican Nova Roma. A fair,
> just and republican Nova Roma is what I stand for and those principles are
> what, if elected as Praetor, I will see discharged through the praetura.
>
> As to some of the other concerns, presents and paying taxes, the first was
> a thank you for all the hard effort the members of the cohors put in during
> this year, and the second was to help Nova Roma's Treasury as much as to
> help the individuals. Seriously, that doesn't "buy" anything and it is sad
> people might think that, but I cannot control their thoughts. They will
> think what they will of me.
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> I have always been ready to serve and assist Nova Roma. That I do it with
> the odd giggle, a bit of fun, may irritate some people and that I accept,
> but I am not going to try to change who I am, and nor should anyone. If I
> were not to get elected I still wouldn't change. I would rather be
> genuinely "me" and take my knocks for it if that is what the electorate
> think, than a plastic version just pretending to be something I am not.
> Take me or leave me. I am who I am. No one in Nova Roma who has been
> "involved" can safely throw stones inside our little glasshouse.
>
> I ask for your support during this election, and Bona Fortuna to all the
> candidates across the board.
>
> Vale Optime bene,
> Statia Cornelia Aeternia
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L. Iulia Aquila Quiritibus S.P.D

Candidates should take care in the way they present themselves – and they should present themselves with the platform they are running on. Citizens should ask the questions. They do not need to be difficult.
A simple "What are your plans for 2012 should you be elected?" is sufficient to begin a dialogue in most cases. There is much to be learned by such a dialogue and I thank Senator Caesar for stating his position on the forum early on.

Questions should be asked a reasonable, moderate, thoughtful and direct way and they should be answered in the same way.
A candidate who is able to stay calm under fire demonstrates the necessary discipline and diplomacy to listen to what is being said and the ability to not lead from the emotionalism egoism of self interest.

Questions help determine if a candidate has the temperament for politics.Are they meeting their needs (for attemtion to build low self esteem etc.) or are they in-tune to the needs of the respublica and her citizens?
A "fun" person can throw a party but may fold under pressure.
Candidates who scold, lecture, berate, accuse, take things personally, are verbally passive aggressive (dwell on the negatives, defend their critiques with negatives and demeaning those who criticized them by demeaning them in some way etc.) – in other words, protesting too much, being too defensive and rather than taking the time to do some self contemplation to see if more than a few people who have that negative opinion might just have a point, the questionable candidate shifts the blame to those who asked the questions and stated their opinion of the candidate. A mea culpa, a brief statement indicating a desire to improve and the put it behind them and make an extra effort for a strong objective and positive campaign with "can do" and promise. Whining, blaming, accusations etc. coming from a candidate is a big red flag.

Don't just ask the questions and walk away, follow up whenever possible to be sure the answer is spot on and to ask pertinent questions based on the original answer. Especially if you feel a candidate is being evasive. Do not hold back opinions on the issues, it is important, paramount for you to let candidates know how you feel about the issues – just as important as it is for you to hear their responses.
This dialogue is the surest way to make the all important decisions that will enable you to cast sound ethical votes for candidates that will be ready to tackle the tough problems they will encounter during the year.


Little is more integral to NR than voting. It is commonly held that it is a moral obligation to vote, a civic duty.
Even when making bad uninformed votes?
Please get to know your candidates. Speak with other citizens – utilize the option of a write-in. In this particular year I strongly encourage the use of the write in.
It is not poor etiquette to campaign for someone you know would fill a position well - nor is it poor political etiquette to ask someone to stand – or petition in a group.
Elections are amazing complex constructs and when voters act proactively, the candidates and their votes will have a significant impact.

Take a little time to cast an informed vote. I have not made any decisions yet because I have not read all of the candidates statements(at this writing) and I still have some questions for Senator Caesar – although they may have been answered by now. I also will probably not have much time until Wednesday evening but the elections are important and I am paying close attention and researching on breaks and on scarce free time.
Better to make a time now than to have my vote be a waste or worse, lead to poor or uneven leadership. Our reputation is tattered – this year we cannot gamble, we cannot take chances as we have in other years. Next year we must have quality magistrates who will not be an embarrassment to us as we have endured in years past.

There is a lot to consider yet and care must be taken to differentiate between what will benefit the respublica and what has no substantial benefit. We must be honest and forthright if we have a problem with a candidate that we feel will have a negative impact on the respublica. Withholding information that involves demonstrated actions and flaws, observable and documentable, which indicate the individual is incompetent or lacks in other ways that will negatively impact NR is not only wrong but negligent.
The duty, the obligation, of the vote, does not begin and end with the casting. One does not vote for a treasurer with no successes who has filed several bankruptcies and whose own business went under or vote for someone for administrator that has difficulty holding a job for example.
Asking questions about questionable business practices, scandals that have impacted citizens, arrest record, job performance etc. are perfectly acceptable.

Basing even a percentage of your decision for an emotional reason such as the person is a friend or you don't like them is the road to unethical voting. A life-long friend who is now a congressman knows I would simply not vote for him in his entire career because his politics are not in line in mine – we have had some heavy debates but have never allowed it to interfere with our friendship.
It is not ethical voting if it is influenced by friendship unless the person is perfectly capable without any red flags that may be troublesome.
The republica deserves the best. This goes for someone you may not like. I have voted many times for those who I would not particularly liked as a friend but they had impeccable qualities and abilities in a professional self confident package that proved to be a good choice.
Concepts like values and culture can be subjective and difficult to define, but you should be looking for someone whose work ethic, motivations, and methods not only are in line with the business of Nova Roma but also the mos maiorum or the Res publica. Nova Roma Importance NOT Self Importance.

The res publica deserves an ethical vote not only a "civic duty vote."
The civic duty of each citizen is to vote based on sound evidence that their choice of candidates will have the interest of the Res publica at heart rather than self- interest and will support or create just laws etc. There are ethical arguments, 2-3 quite good ones actually, that voting may not be the best way to exercise one's civic duty, and the issue comes up from time to time. Thus far it has not been applicable to my voting experience in the macro world.

I encourage all NR Citizens to vote responsibly. Encourage others to vote –responsibly – how each one of us votes impacts NR. Vote in a way that your decision is morally justified and, above all, based on sound evidence. An informed voter knows the platform of the candidate but also if, for example, said policies will benefit or be detrimental to NR. Your votes should be cast in the interests of building a functioning and thriving Res publica, sound leges, increase in funds, social opportunities that support the mos maiorum and cultural opportunities, to mention just a few.

Valete optime

Ave!

There are other issues one should also look at..specifically the character
of the person running for office. How ethical are they? What kind of
character and judgement do they show in their actions. In this regard,
using tools like facebook are just as important. Do they blame others for
their own failings? Do they take accountability for their actions and
in-actions? Do you think they take the position and its responsibilities
with utmost seriousness? These are something we all should weigh in
determining if that person should be trusted to hold office.

I entirely agree with Iulia. We should ask the questions that Iulia asks,
I just think that there are also equally important questions to ask as
well. The actions of magistrates, as we have seen in the past, can lead to
consequences that fall outside of just the insular world that is Nova Roma.

Vale,

Sulla



On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:01 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> L. Iulia Aquila Quiritibus S.P.D
>
> Candidates should take care in the way they present themselves � and they
> should present themselves with the platform they are running on. Citizens
> should ask the questions. They do not need to be difficult.
> A simple "What are your plans for 2012 should you be elected?" is
> sufficient to begin a dialogue in most cases. There is much to be learned
> by such a dialogue and I thank Senator Caesar for stating his position on
> the forum early on.
>
> Questions should be asked a reasonable, moderate, thoughtful and direct
> way and they should be answered in the same way.
> A candidate who is able to stay calm under fire demonstrates the necessary
> discipline and diplomacy to listen to what is being said and the ability to
> not lead from the emotionalism egoism of self interest.
>
> Questions help determine if a candidate has the temperament for
> politics.Are they meeting their needs (for attemtion to build low self
> esteem etc.) or are they in-tune to the needs of the respublica and her
> citizens?
> A "fun" person can throw a party but may fold under pressure.
> Candidates who scold, lecture, berate, accuse, take things personally, are
> verbally passive aggressive (dwell on the negatives, defend their critiques
> with negatives and demeaning those who criticized them by demeaning them in
> some way etc.) � in other words, protesting too much, being too defensive
> and rather than taking the time to do some self contemplation to see if
> more than a few people who have that negative opinion might just have a
> point, the questionable candidate shifts the blame to those who asked the
> questions and stated their opinion of the candidate. A mea culpa, a brief
> statement indicating a desire to improve and the put it behind them and
> make an extra effort for a strong objective and positive campaign with "can
> do" and promise. Whining, blaming, accusations etc. coming from a candidate
> is a big red flag.
>
> Don't just ask the questions and walk away, follow up whenever possible to
> be sure the answer is spot on and to ask pertinent questions based on the
> original answer. Especially if you feel a candidate is being evasive. Do
> not hold back opinions on the issues, it is important, paramount for you to
> let candidates know how you feel about the issues � just as important as it
> is for you to hear their responses.
> This dialogue is the surest way to make the all important decisions that
> will enable you to cast sound ethical votes for candidates that will be
> ready to tackle the tough problems they will encounter during the year.
>
> Little is more integral to NR than voting. It is commonly held that it is
> a moral obligation to vote, a civic duty.
> Even when making bad uninformed votes?
> Please get to know your candidates. Speak with other citizens � utilize
> the option of a write-in. In this particular year I strongly encourage the
> use of the write in.
> It is not poor etiquette to campaign for someone you know would fill a
> position well - nor is it poor political etiquette to ask someone to stand
> � or petition in a group.
> Elections are amazing complex constructs and when voters act proactively,
> the candidates and their votes will have a significant impact.
>
> Take a little time to cast an informed vote. I have not made any decisions
> yet because I have not read all of the candidates statements(at this
> writing) and I still have some questions for Senator Caesar � although they
> may have been answered by now. I also will probably not have much time
> until Wednesday evening but the elections are important and I am paying
> close attention and researching on breaks and on scarce free time.
> Better to make a time now than to have my vote be a waste or worse, lead
> to poor or uneven leadership. Our reputation is tattered � this year we
> cannot gamble, we cannot take chances as we have in other years. Next year
> we must have quality magistrates who will not be an embarrassment to us as
> we have endured in years past.
>
> There is a lot to consider yet and care must be taken to differentiate
> between what will benefit the respublica and what has no substantial
> benefit. We must be honest and forthright if we have a problem with a
> candidate that we feel will have a negative impact on the respublica.
> Withholding information that involves demonstrated actions and flaws,
> observable and documentable, which indicate the individual is incompetent
> or lacks in other ways that will negatively impact NR is not only wrong but
> negligent.
> The duty, the obligation, of the vote, does not begin and end with the
> casting. One does not vote for a treasurer with no successes who has filed
> several bankruptcies and whose own business went under or vote for someone
> for administrator that has difficulty holding a job for example.
> Asking questions about questionable business practices, scandals that have
> impacted citizens, arrest record, job performance etc. are perfectly
> acceptable.
>
> Basing even a percentage of your decision for an emotional reason such as
> the person is a friend or you don't like them is the road to unethical
> voting. A life-long friend who is now a congressman knows I would simply
> not vote for him in his entire career because his politics are not in line
> in mine � we have had some heavy debates but have never allowed it to
> interfere with our friendship.
> It is not ethical voting if it is influenced by friendship unless the
> person is perfectly capable without any red flags that may be troublesome.
> The republica deserves the best. This goes for someone you may not like. I
> have voted many times for those who I would not particularly liked as a
> friend but they had impeccable qualities and abilities in a professional
> self confident package that proved to be a good choice.
> Concepts like values and culture can be subjective and difficult to
> define, but you should be looking for someone whose work ethic,
> motivations, and methods not only are in line with the business of Nova
> Roma but also the mos maiorum or the Res publica. Nova Roma Importance NOT
> Self Importance.
>
> The res publica deserves an ethical vote not only a "civic duty vote."
> The civic duty of each citizen is to vote based on sound evidence that
> their choice of candidates will have the interest of the Res publica at
> heart rather than self- interest and will support or create just laws etc.
> There are ethical arguments, 2-3 quite good ones actually, that voting may
> not be the best way to exercise one's civic duty, and the issue comes up
> from time to time. Thus far it has not been applicable to my voting
> experience in the macro world.
>
> I encourage all NR Citizens to vote responsibly. Encourage others to vote
> �responsibly � how each one of us votes impacts NR. Vote in a way that your
> decision is morally justified and, above all, based on sound evidence. An
> informed voter knows the platform of the candidate but also if, for
> example, said policies will benefit or be detrimental to NR. Your votes
> should be cast in the interests of building a functioning and thriving Res
> publica, sound leges, increase in funds, social opportunities that support
> the mos maiorum and cultural opportunities, to mention just a few.
>
> Valete optime
>
>
>

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C. Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD,



I come to you to present my candidacy to Praetor in the upcoming elections.

I'm 40 years old, from Portugal and have served Nova Roma as Diribitor,
scriba to Aedilis Curulis Cn. Iulius Caesar and Tribunus Plebis and I am
Lictor of Nova Roma. I believe to have performed all my duties honorably and
well in these positions.



In my view the Praetores have as main duties:

- To maintain and moderate the Nova Roma Main List and the Forum Hospitum.

I think the model used this year worked very well and I propose to maintain
the Edictum and the moderation as it is.



- To maintain and update the Tabularium.

Here I will not propose any change directly but in my opinion the Tabularium
is a mess. Even not counting with some leges of which the original text was
lost there are, in my opinion, several problems.

New leges modify old ones making extremely hard to know what is in force or
not. The Praetor can't do much here unless ask the legislating Magistrate to
rescind the old lex and make a new one from the start. I think I have asked
that to all new leges proposals but to no avail, hopefully if elected
Praetor there will more chance to be heard.

To accommodate the problem above in the Tabularium and in certain leges
doesn't appear the original text but the text with the several amends. In my
opinion this is wrong, the text should be exactly as the one voted by the
comitia without any alteration, not even to correct spelling.

I think the problem should be solved by a SC giving the guidelines to all
Magistrates and Praetores and not by the personal taste of each Praetor.
Giving the next year will be a very busy one for sure if elected I don't
think I will try to propose anything to the Senate concerning this matter
but will publish the leges as they were voted and ask anyone who is
proposing new legislation to simple rescind old one.

The true is Nova Roma has too much and too complicate legislation for her
dimension.



- To administrate justice.

Hopefully there will be no need. But if there will be I intend to follow the
leges to the letter. If elected I too consider that any case needs to prove
is necessity and will try very hard to solve the matter without a court.

I don't agree with what some people have state on this matter and in my
opinion the Magistrates with power to issue Edicta can legislate by Edicta.
But those Edicta are subject and over ranked by all passed Collegia Decreta,
laws, constitution and subject to superior, same rank and Tribuni vetos. If
any of these fails the Edicta is void.



- To organize the Ludi Apollinares in name of Nova Roma.

With the help of many people I did organized the Ludi Ceriales this year so
I have a little experience on Ludi organization and I am confident to be
able to do the Ludi Apollinares jointly with the other elected Praetor.



If elected I will try to work with all other Magistrates and officers of
Nova Roma. If agreement can not be reached then the constitution and leges
give the exact precedence order.



I am at your disposal to answer any question any citizen may have.



Di vos incolumes custodiant.



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Salve, et salvete,

Exactly. And this is not to be cruel or a hardass but to find the best candidate. Some candidates just may not be ready yet, they make take a coupla few more years of seasoning.

The upcoming election is extremely important. Vote with the success ad revival of our respublica! Si Placet.

Thank you Sulla.

Vale, et valete,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave!
>
> There are other issues one should also look at..specifically the character
> of the person running for office. How ethical are they? What kind of
> character and judgement do they show in their actions. In this regard,
> using tools like facebook are just as important. Do they blame others for
> their own failings? Do they take accountability for their actions and
> in-actions? Do you think they take the position and its responsibilities
> with utmost seriousness? These are something we all should weigh in
> determining if that person should be trusted to hold office.
>
> I entirely agree with Iulia. We should ask the questions that Iulia asks,
> I just think that there are also equally important questions to ask as
> well. The actions of magistrates, as we have seen in the past, can lead to
> consequences that fall outside of just the insular world that is Nova Roma.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:01 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > L. Iulia Aquila Quiritibus S.P.D
> >
> > Candidates should take care in the way they present themselves – and they
> > should present themselves with the platform they are running on. Citizens
> > should ask the questions. They do not need to be difficult.
> > A simple "What are your plans for 2012 should you be elected?" is
> > sufficient to begin a dialogue in most cases. There is much to be learned
> > by such a dialogue and I thank Senator Caesar for stating his position on
> > the forum early on.
> >
> > Questions should be asked a reasonable, moderate, thoughtful and direct
> > way and they should be answered in the same way.
> > A candidate who is able to stay calm under fire demonstrates the necessary
> > discipline and diplomacy to listen to what is being said and the ability to
> > not lead from the emotionalism egoism of self interest.
> >
> > Questions help determine if a candidate has the temperament for
> > politics.Are they meeting their needs (for attemtion to build low self
> > esteem etc.) or are they in-tune to the needs of the respublica and her
> > citizens?
> > A "fun" person can throw a party but may fold under pressure.
> > Candidates who scold, lecture, berate, accuse, take things personally, are
> > verbally passive aggressive (dwell on the negatives, defend their critiques
> > with negatives and demeaning those who criticized them by demeaning them in
> > some way etc.) – in other words, protesting too much, being too defensive
> > and rather than taking the time to do some self contemplation to see if
> > more than a few people who have that negative opinion might just have a
> > point, the questionable candidate shifts the blame to those who asked the
> > questions and stated their opinion of the candidate. A mea culpa, a brief
> > statement indicating a desire to improve and the put it behind them and
> > make an extra effort for a strong objective and positive campaign with "can
> > do" and promise. Whining, blaming, accusations etc. coming from a candidate
> > is a big red flag.
> >
> > Don't just ask the questions and walk away, follow up whenever possible to
> > be sure the answer is spot on and to ask pertinent questions based on the
> > original answer. Especially if you feel a candidate is being evasive. Do
> > not hold back opinions on the issues, it is important, paramount for you to
> > let candidates know how you feel about the issues – just as important as it
> > is for you to hear their responses.
> > This dialogue is the surest way to make the all important decisions that
> > will enable you to cast sound ethical votes for candidates that will be
> > ready to tackle the tough problems they will encounter during the year.
> >
> > Little is more integral to NR than voting. It is commonly held that it is
> > a moral obligation to vote, a civic duty.
> > Even when making bad uninformed votes?
> > Please get to know your candidates. Speak with other citizens – utilize
> > the option of a write-in. In this particular year I strongly encourage the
> > use of the write in.
> > It is not poor etiquette to campaign for someone you know would fill a
> > position well - nor is it poor political etiquette to ask someone to stand
> > – or petition in a group.
> > Elections are amazing complex constructs and when voters act proactively,
> > the candidates and their votes will have a significant impact.
> >
> > Take a little time to cast an informed vote. I have not made any decisions
> > yet because I have not read all of the candidates statements(at this
> > writing) and I still have some questions for Senator Caesar – although they
> > may have been answered by now. I also will probably not have much time
> > until Wednesday evening but the elections are important and I am paying
> > close attention and researching on breaks and on scarce free time.
> > Better to make a time now than to have my vote be a waste or worse, lead
> > to poor or uneven leadership. Our reputation is tattered – this year we
> > cannot gamble, we cannot take chances as we have in other years. Next year
> > we must have quality magistrates who will not be an embarrassment to us as
> > we have endured in years past.
> >
> > There is a lot to consider yet and care must be taken to differentiate
> > between what will benefit the respublica and what has no substantial
> > benefit. We must be honest and forthright if we have a problem with a
> > candidate that we feel will have a negative impact on the respublica.
> > Withholding information that involves demonstrated actions and flaws,
> > observable and documentable, which indicate the individual is incompetent
> > or lacks in other ways that will negatively impact NR is not only wrong but
> > negligent.
> > The duty, the obligation, of the vote, does not begin and end with the
> > casting. One does not vote for a treasurer with no successes who has filed
> > several bankruptcies and whose own business went under or vote for someone
> > for administrator that has difficulty holding a job for example.
> > Asking questions about questionable business practices, scandals that have
> > impacted citizens, arrest record, job performance etc. are perfectly
> > acceptable.
> >
> > Basing even a percentage of your decision for an emotional reason such as
> > the person is a friend or you don't like them is the road to unethical
> > voting. A life-long friend who is now a congressman knows I would simply
> > not vote for him in his entire career because his politics are not in line
> > in mine – we have had some heavy debates but have never allowed it to
> > interfere with our friendship.
> > It is not ethical voting if it is influenced by friendship unless the
> > person is perfectly capable without any red flags that may be troublesome.
> > The republica deserves the best. This goes for someone you may not like. I
> > have voted many times for those who I would not particularly liked as a
> > friend but they had impeccable qualities and abilities in a professional
> > self confident package that proved to be a good choice.
> > Concepts like values and culture can be subjective and difficult to
> > define, but you should be looking for someone whose work ethic,
> > motivations, and methods not only are in line with the business of Nova
> > Roma but also the mos maiorum or the Res publica. Nova Roma Importance NOT
> > Self Importance.
> >
> > The res publica deserves an ethical vote not only a "civic duty vote."
> > The civic duty of each citizen is to vote based on sound evidence that
> > their choice of candidates will have the interest of the Res publica at
> > heart rather than self- interest and will support or create just laws etc.
> > There are ethical arguments, 2-3 quite good ones actually, that voting may
> > not be the best way to exercise one's civic duty, and the issue comes up
> > from time to time. Thus far it has not been applicable to my voting
> > experience in the macro world.
> >
> > I encourage all NR Citizens to vote responsibly. Encourage others to vote
> > –responsibly – how each one of us votes impacts NR. Vote in a way that your
> > decision is morally justified and, above all, based on sound evidence. An
> > informed voter knows the platform of the candidate but also if, for
> > example, said policies will benefit or be detrimental to NR. Your votes
> > should be cast in the interests of building a functioning and thriving Res
> > publica, sound leges, increase in funds, social opportunities that support
> > the mos maiorum and cultural opportunities, to mention just a few.
> >
> > Valete optime
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

SALVETE!

My expectation is to see how our candidates become more professional when run for offices. I want to know what they think, what they believe can do to improve, if are innovative in the good sense of the word and if really cares about the future of NR.
By the other hand my expectation is as we, the voters, to help the candidates during the debates time of their candidacies, to discover what they have best to offer and how believe things can be fixed in practice.
The current debates come with ideas and opinions one attentive candidate, if elected, will take in consideration during his term. It really helps.

We need a change in mentality. In the last years the contio time was used to block candidates, to point out elements which put them in sensible situations and for many times, all evolved in frustrations. Now, all of us need to understand we are on the same boat, and the debates represent an opportunity to create a bridge between the Republic needs and candidates skills.

Candidates need to get out their best during the contio and the voters need to active participate helping them with questions. This way the circle is complete.

VALETE,
Sabinus
 
"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius


________________________________
From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:13 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ethical Voting in Nova Roma - make your vote count!


 
Salve, et salvete,

Exactly. And this is not to be cruel or a hardass but to find the best candidate. Some candidates just may not be ready yet, they make take a coupla few more years of seasoning.

The upcoming election is extremely important. Vote with the success ad revival of our respublica! Si Placet.

Thank you Sulla.

Vale, et valete,

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave!
>
> There are other issues one should also look at..specifically the character
> of the person running for office. How ethical are they? What kind of
> character and judgement do they show in their actions. In this regard,
> using tools like facebook are just as important. Do they blame others for
> their own failings? Do they take accountability for their actions and
> in-actions? Do you think they take the position and its responsibilities
> with utmost seriousness? These are something we all should weigh in
> determining if that person should be trusted to hold office.
>
> I entirely agree with Iulia. We should ask the questions that Iulia asks,
> I just think that there are also equally important questions to ask as
> well. The actions of magistrates, as we have seen in the past, can lead to
> consequences that fall outside of just the insular world that is Nova Roma.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:01 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > L. Iulia Aquila Quiritibus S.P.D
> >
> > Candidates should take care in the way they present themselves – and they
> > should present themselves with the platform they are running on. Citizens
> > should ask the questions. They do not need to be difficult.
> > A simple "What are your plans for 2012 should you be elected?" is
> > sufficient to begin a dialogue in most cases. There is much to be learned
> > by such a dialogue and I thank Senator Caesar for stating his position on
> > the forum early on.
> >
> > Questions should be asked a reasonable, moderate, thoughtful and direct
> > way and they should be answered in the same way.
> > A candidate who is able to stay calm under fire demonstrates the necessary
> > discipline and diplomacy to listen to what is being said and the ability to
> > not lead from the emotionalism egoism of self interest.
> >
> > Questions help determine if a candidate has the temperament for
> > politics.Are they meeting their needs (for attemtion to build low self
> > esteem etc.) or are they in-tune to the needs of the respublica and her
> > citizens?
> > A "fun" person can throw a party but may fold under pressure.
> > Candidates who scold, lecture, berate, accuse, take things personally, are
> > verbally passive aggressive (dwell on the negatives, defend their critiques
> > with negatives and demeaning those who criticized them by demeaning them in
> > some way etc.) – in other words, protesting too much, being too defensive
> > and rather than taking the time to do some self contemplation to see if
> > more than a few people who have that negative opinion might just have a
> > point, the questionable candidate shifts the blame to those who asked the
> > questions and stated their opinion of the candidate. A mea culpa, a brief
> > statement indicating a desire to improve and the put it behind them and
> > make an extra effort for a strong objective and positive campaign with "can
> > do" and promise. Whining, blaming, accusations etc. coming from a candidate
> > is a big red flag.
> >
> > Don't just ask the questions and walk away, follow up whenever possible to
> > be sure the answer is spot on and to ask pertinent questions based on the
> > original answer. Especially if you feel a candidate is being evasive. Do
> > not hold back opinions on the issues, it is important, paramount for you to
> > let candidates know how you feel about the issues – just as important as it
> > is for you to hear their responses.
> > This dialogue is the surest way to make the all important decisions that
> > will enable you to cast sound ethical votes for candidates that will be
> > ready to tackle the tough problems they will encounter during the year.
> >
> > Little is more integral to NR than voting. It is commonly held that it is
> > a moral obligation to vote, a civic duty.
> > Even when making bad uninformed votes?
> > Please get to know your candidates. Speak with other citizens – utilize
> > the option of a write-in. In this particular year I strongly encourage the
> > use of the write in.
> > It is not poor etiquette to campaign for someone you know would fill a
> > position well - nor is it poor political etiquette to ask someone to stand
> > – or petition in a group.
> > Elections are amazing complex constructs and when voters act proactively,
> > the candidates and their votes will have a significant impact.
> >
> > Take a little time to cast an informed vote. I have not made any decisions
> > yet because I have not read all of the candidates statements(at this
> > writing) and I still have some questions for Senator Caesar – although they
> > may have been answered by now. I also will probably not have much time
> > until Wednesday evening but the elections are important and I am paying
> > close attention and researching on breaks and on scarce free time.
> > Better to make a time now than to have my vote be a waste or worse, lead
> > to poor or uneven leadership. Our reputation is tattered – this year we
> > cannot gamble, we cannot take chances as we have in other years. Next year
> > we must have quality magistrates who will not be an embarrassment to us as
> > we have endured in years past.
> >
> > There is a lot to consider yet and care must be taken to differentiate
> > between what will benefit the respublica and what has no substantial
> > benefit. We must be honest and forthright if we have a problem with a
> > candidate that we feel will have a negative impact on the respublica.
> > Withholding information that involves demonstrated actions and flaws,
> > observable and documentable, which indicate the individual is incompetent
> > or lacks in other ways that will negatively impact NR is not only wrong but
> > negligent.
> > The duty, the obligation, of the vote, does not begin and end with the
> > casting. One does not vote for a treasurer with no successes who has filed
> > several bankruptcies and whose own business went under or vote for someone
> > for administrator that has difficulty holding a job for example.
> > Asking questions about questionable business practices, scandals that have
> > impacted citizens, arrest record, job performance etc. are perfectly
> > acceptable.
> >
> > Basing even a percentage of your decision for an emotional reason such as
> > the person is a friend or you don't like them is the road to unethical
> > voting. A life-long friend who is now a congressman knows I would simply
> > not vote for him in his entire career because his politics are not in line
> > in mine – we have had some heavy debates but have never allowed it to
> > interfere with our friendship.
> > It is not ethical voting if it is influenced by friendship unless the
> > person is perfectly capable without any red flags that may be troublesome.
> > The republica deserves the best. This goes for someone you may not like. I
> > have voted many times for those who I would not particularly liked as a
> > friend but they had impeccable qualities and abilities in a professional
> > self confident package that proved to be a good choice.
> > Concepts like values and culture can be subjective and difficult to
> > define, but you should be looking for someone whose work ethic,
> > motivations, and methods not only are in line with the business of Nova
> > Roma but also the mos maiorum or the Res publica. Nova Roma Importance NOT
> > Self Importance.
> >
> > The res publica deserves an ethical vote not only a "civic duty vote."
> > The civic duty of each citizen is to vote based on sound evidence that
> > their choice of candidates will have the interest of the Res publica at
> > heart rather than self- interest and will support or create just laws etc.
> > There are ethical arguments, 2-3 quite good ones actually, that voting may
> > not be the best way to exercise one's civic duty, and the issue comes up
> > from time to time. Thus far it has not been applicable to my voting
> > experience in the macro world.
> >
> > I encourage all NR Citizens to vote responsibly. Encourage others to vote
> > –responsibly – how each one of us votes impacts NR. Vote in a way that your
> > decision is morally justified and, above all, based on sound evidence. An
> > informed voter knows the platform of the candidate but also if, for
> > example, said policies will benefit or be detrimental to NR. Your votes
> > should be cast in the interests of building a functioning and thriving Res
> > publica, sound leges, increase in funds, social opportunities that support
> > the mos maiorum and cultural opportunities, to mention just a few.
> >
> > Valete optime
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ave Censor,

I agree with you. My personal opinion is that this is Nova Roma's last
shot in trying to set up a foundation a solid foundation from which we can
seed a future of possibility and achieve the goals that was founded by
Marcus Cassius and Flavius Vedius! We have gone from conflict to
conflict....we went through the worst civil war in NR's history and we have
not yet learned or implemented many of the lessons that we have. Many of
you know me, fairly well, I have been in Nova Roma from her very first
day. I believe in my bones that this is the last real shot. Without these
needed reforms to help reinvigorate the populace to get people involved
with a solid incentives and a desire for service in all levels of the
organization NR might as well just change its mission to being just an
online organization!

From my very first days in Nova Roma I have striven to bring credibility to
the organization and I am very concerned for it's long term viability.
Muddling on is no longer an option! I hope that NR get two consuls who
will look at what might be...and embrace it and work towards turning NR
what it can become vs the present lethargic state that it currently is.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:53 AM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> SALVETE!
>
> My expectation is to see how our candidates become more professional when
> run for offices. I want to know what they think, what they believe can do
> to improve, if are innovative in the good sense of the word and if really
> cares about the future of NR.
> By the other hand my expectation is as we, the voters, to help the
> candidates during the debates time of their candidacies, to discover what
> they have best to offer and how believe things can be fixed in practice.
> The current debates come with ideas and opinions one attentive candidate,
> if elected, will take in consideration during his term. It really helps.
>
> We need a change in mentality. In the last years the contio time was used
> to block candidates, to point out elements which put them in sensible
> situations and for many times, all evolved in frustrations. Now, all of us
> need to understand we are on the same boat, and the debates represent an
> opportunity to create a bridge between the Republic needs and candidates
> skills.
>
> Candidates need to get out their best during the contio and the voters
> need to active participate helping them with questions. This way the circle
> is complete.
>
> VALETE,
> Sabinus
>
> "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius
>
> ________________________________
> From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:13 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ethical Voting in Nova Roma - make your vote
> count!
>
>
>
>
> Salve, et salvete,
>
> Exactly. And this is not to be cruel or a hardass but to find the best
> candidate. Some candidates just may not be ready yet, they make take a
> coupla few more years of seasoning.
>
> The upcoming election is extremely important. Vote with the success ad
> revival of our respublica! Si Placet.
>
> Thank you Sulla.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ave!
> >
> > There are other issues one should also look at..specifically the
> character
> > of the person running for office. How ethical are they? What kind of
> > character and judgement do they show in their actions. In this regard,
> > using tools like facebook are just as important. Do they blame others for
> > their own failings? Do they take accountability for their actions and
> > in-actions? Do you think they take the position and its responsibilities
> > with utmost seriousness? These are something we all should weigh in
> > determining if that person should be trusted to hold office.
> >
> > I entirely agree with Iulia. We should ask the questions that Iulia asks,
> > I just think that there are also equally important questions to ask as
> > well. The actions of magistrates, as we have seen in the past, can lead
> to
> > consequences that fall outside of just the insular world that is Nova
> Roma.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:01 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> > luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > L. Iulia Aquila Quiritibus S.P.D
> > >
> > > Candidates should take care in the way they present themselves � and
> they
> > > should present themselves with the platform they are running on.
> Citizens
> > > should ask the questions. They do not need to be difficult.
> > > A simple "What are your plans for 2012 should you be elected?" is
> > > sufficient to begin a dialogue in most cases. There is much to be
> learned
> > > by such a dialogue and I thank Senator Caesar for stating his position
> on
> > > the forum early on.
> > >
> > > Questions should be asked a reasonable, moderate, thoughtful and direct
> > > way and they should be answered in the same way.
> > > A candidate who is able to stay calm under fire demonstrates the
> necessary
> > > discipline and diplomacy to listen to what is being said and the
> ability to
> > > not lead from the emotionalism egoism of self interest.
> > >
> > > Questions help determine if a candidate has the temperament for
> > > politics.Are they meeting their needs (for attemtion to build low self
> > > esteem etc.) or are they in-tune to the needs of the respublica and her
> > > citizens?
> > > A "fun" person can throw a party but may fold under pressure.
> > > Candidates who scold, lecture, berate, accuse, take things personally,
> are
> > > verbally passive aggressive (dwell on the negatives, defend their
> critiques
> > > with negatives and demeaning those who criticized them by demeaning
> them in
> > > some way etc.) � in other words, protesting too much, being too
> defensive
> > > and rather than taking the time to do some self contemplation to see if
> > > more than a few people who have that negative opinion might just have a
> > > point, the questionable candidate shifts the blame to those who asked
> the
> > > questions and stated their opinion of the candidate. A mea culpa, a
> brief
> > > statement indicating a desire to improve and the put it behind them and
> > > make an extra effort for a strong objective and positive campaign with
> "can
> > > do" and promise. Whining, blaming, accusations etc. coming from a
> candidate
> > > is a big red flag.
> > >
> > > Don't just ask the questions and walk away, follow up whenever
> possible to
> > > be sure the answer is spot on and to ask pertinent questions based on
> the
> > > original answer. Especially if you feel a candidate is being evasive.
> Do
> > > not hold back opinions on the issues, it is important, paramount for
> you to
> > > let candidates know how you feel about the issues � just as important
> as it
> > > is for you to hear their responses.
> > > This dialogue is the surest way to make the all important decisions
> that
> > > will enable you to cast sound ethical votes for candidates that will be
> > > ready to tackle the tough problems they will encounter during the year.
> > >
> > > Little is more integral to NR than voting. It is commonly held that it
> is
> > > a moral obligation to vote, a civic duty.
> > > Even when making bad uninformed votes?
> > > Please get to know your candidates. Speak with other citizens � utilize
> > > the option of a write-in. In this particular year I strongly encourage
> the
> > > use of the write in.
> > > It is not poor etiquette to campaign for someone you know would fill a
> > > position well - nor is it poor political etiquette to ask someone to
> stand
> > > � or petition in a group.
> > > Elections are amazing complex constructs and when voters act
> proactively,
> > > the candidates and their votes will have a significant impact.
> > >
> > > Take a little time to cast an informed vote. I have not made any
> decisions
> > > yet because I have not read all of the candidates statements(at this
> > > writing) and I still have some questions for Senator Caesar � although
> they
> > > may have been answered by now. I also will probably not have much time
> > > until Wednesday evening but the elections are important and I am paying
> > > close attention and researching on breaks and on scarce free time.
> > > Better to make a time now than to have my vote be a waste or worse,
> lead
> > > to poor or uneven leadership. Our reputation is tattered � this year we
> > > cannot gamble, we cannot take chances as we have in other years. Next
> year
> > > we must have quality magistrates who will not be an embarrassment to
> us as
> > > we have endured in years past.
> > >
> > > There is a lot to consider yet and care must be taken to differentiate
> > > between what will benefit the respublica and what has no substantial
> > > benefit. We must be honest and forthright if we have a problem with a
> > > candidate that we feel will have a negative impact on the respublica.
> > > Withholding information that involves demonstrated actions and flaws,
> > > observable and documentable, which indicate the individual is
> incompetent
> > > or lacks in other ways that will negatively impact NR is not only
> wrong but
> > > negligent.
> > > The duty, the obligation, of the vote, does not begin and end with the
> > > casting. One does not vote for a treasurer with no successes who has
> filed
> > > several bankruptcies and whose own business went under or vote for
> someone
> > > for administrator that has difficulty holding a job for example.
> > > Asking questions about questionable business practices, scandals that
> have
> > > impacted citizens, arrest record, job performance etc. are perfectly
> > > acceptable.
> > >
> > > Basing even a percentage of your decision for an emotional reason such
> as
> > > the person is a friend or you don't like them is the road to unethical
> > > voting. A life-long friend who is now a congressman knows I would
> simply
> > > not vote for him in his entire career because his politics are not in
> line
> > > in mine � we have had some heavy debates but have never allowed it to
> > > interfere with our friendship.
> > > It is not ethical voting if it is influenced by friendship unless the
> > > person is perfectly capable without any red flags that may be
> troublesome.
> > > The republica deserves the best. This goes for someone you may not
> like. I
> > > have voted many times for those who I would not particularly liked as a
> > > friend but they had impeccable qualities and abilities in a
> professional
> > > self confident package that proved to be a good choice.
> > > Concepts like values and culture can be subjective and difficult to
> > > define, but you should be looking for someone whose work ethic,
> > > motivations, and methods not only are in line with the business of Nova
> > > Roma but also the mos maiorum or the Res publica. Nova Roma Importance
> NOT
> > > Self Importance.
> > >
> > > The res publica deserves an ethical vote not only a "civic duty vote."
> > > The civic duty of each citizen is to vote based on sound evidence that
> > > their choice of candidates will have the interest of the Res publica at
> > > heart rather than self- interest and will support or create just laws
> etc.
> > > There are ethical arguments, 2-3 quite good ones actually, that voting
> may
> > > not be the best way to exercise one's civic duty, and the issue comes
> up
> > > from time to time. Thus far it has not been applicable to my voting
> > > experience in the macro world.
> > >
> > > I encourage all NR Citizens to vote responsibly. Encourage others to
> vote
> > > �responsibly � how each one of us votes impacts NR. Vote in a way that
> your
> > > decision is morally justified and, above all, based on sound evidence.
> An
> > > informed voter knows the platform of the candidate but also if, for
> > > example, said policies will benefit or be detrimental to NR. Your votes
> > > should be cast in the interests of building a functioning and thriving
> Res
> > > publica, sound leges, increase in funds, social opportunities that
> support
> > > the mos maiorum and cultural opportunities, to mention just a few.
> > >
> > > Valete optime
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

SALVETE!

Candidacies and statements were updated on the election page. Here is the address:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLXIV_(Nova_Roma)

(if the link is not totally displayed or don't work, access it from the NR site main page: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page )

Anyone can review the candidates statements anytime and can found more information about election schedule and vacancies.

When it comes about vacancies I remind to our new citizens that running for quaestor/quaestrix is the first step of Cursus Honorum, a good opportunity to become more active in NR, helping the magistrate to whom is assigned to make decisions.

I encourage the former scribes of the aedilician cohorts to run for the aedilis office. You have experience and now have the possibility to put it in practice from another level.
This encouragement of the former scribes don't exclude new entries who consider have good skills and able to use that opportunity to demonstrate can surprise us with good leadership and why not, with new ideas.

VALETE,
Sabinus

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...

> wrote:

> Ave Censor,
>
> I agree with you. My personal opinion is that this is Nova Roma's last
> shot in trying to set up a foundation a solid foundation from which we can
> seed a future of possibility and achieve the goals that was founded by
> Marcus Cassius and Flavius Vedius! We have gone from conflict to
> conflict....we went through the worst civil war in NR's history and we have
> not yet learned or implemented many of the lessons that we have. Many of
> you know me, fairly well, I have been in Nova Roma from her very first
> day. I believe in my bones that this is the last real shot. Without these
> needed reforms to help reinvigorate the populace to get people involved
> with a solid incentives and a desire for service in all levels of the
> organization NR might as well just change its mission to being just an
> online organization!
>

Absolutely. This year is crucial. It is patently clear that NR is
structurally unsound in many ways. If underlying issues are not fixed this
year it is very doubtful we have any viable future at all, even as "just an
online organization". I really do feel it's time to stop playing politics,
put aside minor and petty differences, and work together to restructure and
rebuild.

> From my very first days in Nova Roma I have striven to bring credibility to
> the organization and I am very concerned for it's long term viability.
> Muddling on is no longer an option! I hope that NR get two consuls who
> will look at what might be...and embrace it and work towards turning NR
> what it can become vs the present lethargic state that it currently is.
>

It would be wonderful to see Nova Roma rise heroically from the ashes of
discord in the same spirit Roma Antiqua did many times in her long and
eventful history. However, that takes good old-fashioned Roman hard work,
tenacity and bloody-minded determination to build from the ground up when
necessary. That's what I would like to see from candidates: drive, will and
determination, tempered with a spirit of cooperation and mutual respect.

Vale bene,

Volusus

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:53 AM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...

> >wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > SALVETE!
> >
> > My expectation is to see how our candidates become more professional when
> > run for offices. I want to know what they think, what they believe can do
> > to improve, if are innovative in the good sense of the word and if really
> > cares about the future of NR.
> > By the other hand my expectation is as we, the voters, to help the
> > candidates during the debates time of their candidacies, to discover what
> > they have best to offer and how believe things can be fixed in practice.
> > The current debates come with ideas and opinions one attentive candidate,
> > if elected, will take in consideration during his term. It really helps.
> >
> > We need a change in mentality. In the last years the contio time was used
> > to block candidates, to point out elements which put them in sensible
> > situations and for many times, all evolved in frustrations. Now, all of
> us
> > need to understand we are on the same boat, and the debates represent an
> > opportunity to create a bridge between the Republic needs and candidates
> > skills.
> >
> > Candidates need to get out their best during the contio and the voters
> > need to active participate helping them with questions. This way the
> circle
> > is complete.
> >
> > VALETE,
> > Sabinus
> >
> > "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:13 PM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ethical Voting in Nova Roma - make your vote
> > count!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve, et salvete,
> >
> > Exactly. And this is not to be cruel or a hardass but to find the best
> > candidate. Some candidates just may not be ready yet, they make take a
> > coupla few more years of seasoning.
> >
> > The upcoming election is extremely important. Vote with the success ad
> > revival of our respublica! Si Placet.
> >
> > Thank you Sulla.
> >
> > Vale, et valete,
> >
> > Julia
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ave!
> > >
> > > There are other issues one should also look at..specifically the
> > character
> > > of the person running for office. How ethical are they? What kind of
> > > character and judgement do they show in their actions. In this regard,
> > > using tools like facebook are just as important. Do they blame others
> for
> > > their own failings? Do they take accountability for their actions and
> > > in-actions? Do you think they take the position and its
> responsibilities
> > > with utmost seriousness? These are something we all should weigh in
> > > determining if that person should be trusted to hold office.
> > >
> > > I entirely agree with Iulia. We should ask the questions that Iulia
> asks,
> > > I just think that there are also equally important questions to ask as
> > > well. The actions of magistrates, as we have seen in the past, can lead
> > to
> > > consequences that fall outside of just the insular world that is Nova
> > Roma.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:01 AM, luciaiuliaaquila <
> > > luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > L. Iulia Aquila Quiritibus S.P.D
> > > >
> > > > Candidates should take care in the way they present themselves � and
> > they
> > > > should present themselves with the platform they are running on.
> > Citizens
> > > > should ask the questions. They do not need to be difficult.
> > > > A simple "What are your plans for 2012 should you be elected?" is
> > > > sufficient to begin a dialogue in most cases. There is much to be
> > learned
> > > > by such a dialogue and I thank Senator Caesar for stating his
> position
> > on
> > > > the forum early on.
> > > >
> > > > Questions should be asked a reasonable, moderate, thoughtful and
> direct
> > > > way and they should be answered in the same way.
> > > > A candidate who is able to stay calm under fire demonstrates the
> > necessary
> > > > discipline and diplomacy to listen to what is being said and the
> > ability to
> > > > not lead from the emotionalism egoism of self interest.
> > > >
> > > > Questions help determine if a candidate has the temperament for
> > > > politics.Are they meeting their needs (for attemtion to build low
> self
> > > > esteem etc.) or are they in-tune to the needs of the respublica and
> her
> > > > citizens?
> > > > A "fun" person can throw a party but may fold under pressure.
> > > > Candidates who scold, lecture, berate, accuse, take things
> personally,
> > are
> > > > verbally passive aggressive (dwell on the negatives, defend their
> > critiques
> > > > with negatives and demeaning those who criticized them by demeaning
> > them in
> > > > some way etc.) � in other words, protesting too much, being too
> > defensive
> > > > and rather than taking the time to do some self contemplation to see
> if
> > > > more than a few people who have that negative opinion might just
> have a
> > > > point, the questionable candidate shifts the blame to those who asked
> > the
> > > > questions and stated their opinion of the candidate. A mea culpa, a
> > brief
> > > > statement indicating a desire to improve and the put it behind them
> and
> > > > make an extra effort for a strong objective and positive campaign
> with
> > "can
> > > > do" and promise. Whining, blaming, accusations etc. coming from a
> > candidate
> > > > is a big red flag.
> > > >
> > > > Don't just ask the questions and walk away, follow up whenever
> > possible to
> > > > be sure the answer is spot on and to ask pertinent questions based on
> > the
> > > > original answer. Especially if you feel a candidate is being evasive.
> > Do
> > > > not hold back opinions on the issues, it is important, paramount for
> > you to
> > > > let candidates know how you feel about the issues � just as important
> > as it
> > > > is for you to hear their responses.
> > > > This dialogue is the surest way to make the all important decisions
> > that
> > > > will enable you to cast sound ethical votes for candidates that will
> be
> > > > ready to tackle the tough problems they will encounter during the
> year.
> > > >
> > > > Little is more integral to NR than voting. It is commonly held that
> it
> > is
> > > > a moral obligation to vote, a civic duty.
> > > > Even when making bad uninformed votes?
> > > > Please get to know your candidates. Speak with other citizens �
> utilize
> > > > the option of a write-in. In this particular year I strongly
> encourage
> > the
> > > > use of the write in.
> > > > It is not poor etiquette to campaign for someone you know would fill
> a
> > > > position well - nor is it poor political etiquette to ask someone to
> > stand
> > > > � or petition in a group.
> > > > Elections are amazing complex constructs and when voters act
> > proactively,
> > > > the candidates and their votes will have a significant impact.
> > > >
> > > > Take a little time to cast an informed vote. I have not made any
> > decisions
> > > > yet because I have not read all of the candidates statements(at this
> > > > writing) and I still have some questions for Senator Caesar �
> although
> > they
> > > > may have been answered by now. I also will probably not have much
> time
> > > > until Wednesday evening but the elections are important and I am
> paying
> > > > close attention and researching on breaks and on scarce free time.
> > > > Better to make a time now than to have my vote be a waste or worse,
> > lead
> > > > to poor or uneven leadership. Our reputation is tattered � this year
> we
> > > > cannot gamble, we cannot take chances as we have in other years. Next
> > year
> > > > we must have quality magistrates who will not be an embarrassment to
> > us as
> > > > we have endured in years past.
> > > >
> > > > There is a lot to consider yet and care must be taken to
> differentiate
> > > > between what will benefit the respublica and what has no substantial
> > > > benefit. We must be honest and forthright if we have a problem with a
> > > > candidate that we feel will have a negative impact on the respublica.
> > > > Withholding information that involves demonstrated actions and flaws,
> > > > observable and documentable, which indicate the individual is
> > incompetent
> > > > or lacks in other ways that will negatively impact NR is not only
> > wrong but
> > > > negligent.
> > > > The duty, the obligation, of the vote, does not begin and end with
> the
> > > > casting. One does not vote for a treasurer with no successes who has
> > filed
> > > > several bankruptcies and whose own business went under or vote for
> > someone
> > > > for administrator that has difficulty holding a job for example.
> > > > Asking questions about questionable business practices, scandals that
> > have
> > > > impacted citizens, arrest record, job performance etc. are perfectly
> > > > acceptable.
> > > >
> > > > Basing even a percentage of your decision for an emotional reason
> such
> > as
> > > > the person is a friend or you don't like them is the road to
> unethical
> > > > voting. A life-long friend who is now a congressman knows I would
> > simply
> > > > not vote for him in his entire career because his politics are not in
> > line
> > > > in mine � we have had some heavy debates but have never allowed it to
> > > > interfere with our friendship.
> > > > It is not ethical voting if it is influenced by friendship unless the
> > > > person is perfectly capable without any red flags that may be
> > troublesome.
> > > > The republica deserves the best. This goes for someone you may not
> > like. I
> > > > have voted many times for those who I would not particularly liked
> as a
> > > > friend but they had impeccable qualities and abilities in a
> > professional
> > > > self confident package that proved to be a good choice.
> > > > Concepts like values and culture can be subjective and difficult to
> > > > define, but you should be looking for someone whose work ethic,
> > > > motivations, and methods not only are in line with the business of
> Nova
> > > > Roma but also the mos maiorum or the Res publica. Nova Roma
> Importance
> > NOT
> > > > Self Importance.
> > > >
> > > > The res publica deserves an ethical vote not only a "civic duty
> vote."
> > > > The civic duty of each citizen is to vote based on sound evidence
> that
> > > > their choice of candidates will have the interest of the Res publica
> at
> > > > heart rather than self- interest and will support or create just laws
> > etc.
> > > > There are ethical arguments, 2-3 quite good ones actually, that
> voting
> > may
> > > > not be the best way to exercise one's civic duty, and the issue comes
> > up
> > > > from time to time. Thus far it has not been applicable to my voting
> > > > experience in the macro world.
> > > >
> > > > I encourage all NR Citizens to vote responsibly. Encourage others to
> > vote
> > > > �responsibly � how each one of us votes impacts NR. Vote in a way
> that
> > your
> > > > decision is morally justified and, above all, based on sound
> evidence.
> > An
> > > > informed voter knows the platform of the candidate but also if, for
> > > > example, said policies will benefit or be detrimental to NR. Your
> votes
> > > > should be cast in the interests of building a functioning and
> thriving
> > Res
> > > > publica, sound leges, increase in funds, social opportunities that
> > support
> > > > the mos maiorum and cultural opportunities, to mention just a few.
> > > >
> > > > Valete optime
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
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In a message dated 12/13/2011 3:53:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
nykcowham@... writes:


I would prefer the consuls to either resolve this by allowing the election
of two censores and declaring an electoral formula (e.g. most number of
votes is the 2 year censor) by edictum or to simply defer, and allow two
censores to be elected for one year and defer the resolution of the
suffectus issue until after the 2011 elections (e.g. Let the Senate issue
an SC to resolve the issue of the 2012 election).

-------------------------
Salve et Salvete
Except you miss the entire point of the why for the 1 year overlap.
The Senior Censor is there to instruct the jr in procedure et al, since the
Censorship is rather important
in Nova Roma's government.

You cannot elect two Censors at one time unless one is knowledgeable of the
office. i.e., a former Censor.
Right now, I a former Consul is best qualified due to the cursus honorum,
but I have never been a Censor.

If I was consul in 2011 i'd issue an edictum allowing the extension of the
current Censors office to maintain the overlap, and the 2012 consuls simply
confirm this.

The whole concept of the edict is for this very reason. Extraordinary
circumstances in Nova Roma that were not foreseen by the Founders yet must be
dealt with.

Vale et Valete




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Salvete!

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:19 AM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

> **
> In a message dated 12/13/2011 3:53:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> nykcowham@... writes:
>
> I would prefer the consuls to either resolve this by allowing the election
> of two censores and declaring an electoral formula (e.g. most number of
> votes is the 2 year censor) by edictum or to simply defer, and allow two
> censores to be elected for one year and defer the resolution of the
> suffectus issue until after the 2011 elections (e.g. Let the Senate issue
> an SC to resolve the issue of the 2012 election).
>
> -------------------------
> Salve et Salvete
> Except you miss the entire point of the why for the 1 year overlap.
> The Senior Censor is there to instruct the jr in procedure et al, since
> the
> Censorship is rather important
> in Nova Roma's government.
>

I would defer to Censor Sabinus' judgment and comment on that, with regard
to ensuring a smooth hand-off of responsibilities. I feel sure you are not
announcing that you are unsure about your ability to take on the
responsibility if elected.

You cannot elect two Censors at one time unless one is knowledgeable of the
> office. i.e., a former Censor.
> Right now, I a former Consul is best qualified due to the cursus honorum,
> but I have never been a Censor.
>

Again, I would be interested to here Sabinus' assessment with regard to
that. There are surely other remedies, such as Sabinus agreeing to serve as
a scriba censoris or in some other consultative capacity to be on-hand to
help with any issues or questions that may arise?


> If I was consul in 2011 i'd issue an edictum allowing the extension of the
> current Censors office to maintain the overlap, and the 2012 consuls
> simply
> confirm this.
>

The problem is that would not be legal. Right now the current consuls are
authorized by the SCU for elections to temporarily suspend parts of the
constitution during 2011 elections, by issuing consular edicta to
accommodate the implementation of a new electronic voting system during
these elections. The SCU expires on 31 Dec. 2011. Any edicta the current
consuls issue will also expire with their term of office. The new consuls
will not have the authority of the expired SCU to issue a new edict to
uphold that of the previous consuls, according to Lex Arminia de ratione
edictorum. There is no concept in NR law of "confirming" the edicta of a
previous magistrate, other than by issuing a new edictum reiterating the
same terms.


> The whole concept of the edict is for this very reason. Extraordinary
> circumstances in Nova Roma that were not foreseen by the Founders yet must
> be
> dealt with.
>

The point is that the reappointment of a magistrate beyond the limits of
the term of office is not constitutional. Magisterial edicta are not
ordinarily intended to overturn the constitution. Only in extraordinary
circumstances may this be allowed by an SCU. In 2012 there will be no such
SCU in place. We should not mistake the exception for the rule - which is
one of the reasons so many are disturbed by the tendency in the recent past
to resort to "rule-by-SCU".

Vale et valete,

Volusus


>
> Vale et Valete
>
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C. Maria Caeca V. Valerio Valuso S. P. D.

I think your 2nd solution is elegant, particularly if the ensuing election
for the Censor who would serve the 2nd year was held between the 2 elected
Censors. This still might need an Consular edict, but it would handle the
problem easily, I think.

Vale bene!
CMC

In a message dated 12/13/2011 9:56:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
nykcowham@... writes:

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...

> wrote:

> Ave Censor,
>
> I agree with you. My personal opinion is that this is Nova Roma's last
> shot in trying to set up a foundation a solid foundation from which we

can

> seed a future of possibility and achieve the goals that was founded by
> Marcus Cassius and Flavius Vedius! We have gone from conflict to
> conflict....we went through the worst civil war in NR's history and we

have

> not yet learned or implemented many of the lessons that we have.

Q. Fabius Maximus SPD
Nova Roma has lurched from crisis to crisis because of a number of things.
But the elections were not the only cause. Mostly it was the failure of
the Senate to do its job, namely set policy for the government. Since 2003
we have had a sick Senate. If you believe in the writings of the great
Mommsen the late republican Senate in Rome was made up two factions the
Optimates and the Popularii.
To lead is to compromise. That is what the two factions would do, up
until Iulius Caesar crossed the Rubicon. From that point on a Principate was
being formed which the average Roman in the street was unaware, but the
Senate certainly did. And we all know how it turned out.

Here in Nova Roma From 2004 to 2010 Compromise was not possible. That is
because the Censors would pack the Curule House with their supporters.
After winning a popularity contest where all their friends told the populace
by "endorsements" of how great leaders these guys running for office were
yet believed by an aphatic crowd of voters, the new government would have a
loyal senate .
And that was how NR drifted into this mess that came to head in 2010.
Pure Apathy. The Senate was apathtic as well. Most members were told how to
vote and who to dislike. In 2009 we had the sad spectacle of two Senators
- both former consuls - calling each other names, and one use his authority
illegally against the other.


.

2010 which I consider NRs lowest point (The trials were the second.) two
incompetent persons be elected as Praetors, on the recommendation of their
friends in the government. They both ended up being forced to resign after
which one was brought up on charges. This was a failure of the voters who
voted again as if it was a popularity contest.

I have been a member of the Nova Roman Senate since 2000. I have observed
the Senate in operation except for a short period at the 2009 when I
removed by Nota by the then powers in charge. I was restored in 2010, because
the reason for removal was extremely partisan.
I believe that in order for Nova Roma to succeed there must be a strong
senate. Not one that rubberstamps every Consular decision, but one that
opposes even the hint of such, and rather opposes the Consular items, until
convinced to do otherwise. Likewise that is important for discipline. An
undisciplined Senate is an unproductive one.

This last year (2010) saw calm here in Nova Roma. However the Senate
dropped the ball again. After censor Memmius resigned no temporary censor was
appointed. Because of this, the elections for censor poses difficulties,
which could have been avoided.

No, the tribes do not elect Senators. But they elect censors. And
censors are need to be fair and impartial in the appointment of Senators,
appointing only the best and brightest no matter who their friends may be.

Valete
Q Fabius Maximus

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In a message dated 12/13/2011 1:15:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
nykcowham@... writes:

The new consuls
will not have the authority of the expired SCU to issue a new edict to
uphold that of the previous consuls, according to Lex Arminia de ratione
edictorum. There is no concept in NR law of "confirming" the edicta of a
previous magistrate, other than by issuing a new edictum reiterating the
same terms.


Salvete.

Then we are way off the Roman way of doing things. Livy has numerous
examples of Consuls issuing edicts that were up held by their successors and I
know the Vedian Constitution in the original form allowed them.

As for Lex Arminia de ratione, I sure did not vote for it, and I do not
ever remember a debate on its merits

Valete





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On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:50 AM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

> **
> In a message dated 12/13/2011 1:15:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> nykcowham@... writes:
>
> The new consuls
> will not have the authority of the expired SCU to issue a new edict to
> uphold that of the previous consuls, according to Lex Arminia de ratione
> edictorum. There is no concept in NR law of "confirming" the edicta of a
> previous magistrate, other than by issuing a new edictum reiterating the
> same terms.
>
> Salvete.
>
> Then we are way off the Roman way of doing things. Livy has numerous
> examples of Consuls issuing edicts that were up held by their successors
> and I
> know the Vedian Constitution in the original form allowed them.
>

Salve - It is actually the Roman way. Even in ancient Roman law the edicts
of the previous magistrates would expire unless the succeeding magistrate
reissued an edict containing all the edicts he intended to uphold. The
Praetors edicts in particular built up to a substantial body of code that
would typically be reissued as a new edict each year. Eventually, this
became so standardized that the Emperor Hadrian eventually commissioned the
famous jurist Julian, to draft a final authoritative version of the
Praetor's edict.

As far as I can tell the Lex de ratione edictorum follow the same practice
of Roman jurisprudence. The point is the upholding of prior edicts is
always a new legal action, without that action all edicts are automatically
considered to be revoked.

> As for Lex Arminia de ratione, I sure did not vote for it, and I do not
> ever remember a debate on its merits.
>

I'm sure there is a case for reviewing the law. However, while it is law we
have to observe it. As you know, Praetor Caesar has some big plans with
regard to legal and constitutional reform if he is elected consul, so there
seems there may be an opportunity to review this particular law at that
time.

Vale bene,

Volusus


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C. Tullius Valerianus T. Iulio Sabino S.P.D.

Salve! I appreciate your favorable words for me, Sabine censor! As for my
agenda for next year, I shall attempt to answer briefly:

I am in agreement with my fellow candidate Caesar that Nova Roma is at a
critical juncture, and that we are in need of many reforms of our laws. The
balancing of our Nova Roman Republic with Nova Roma Inc. will be crucial
for the survival of NR.

Likewise, we *must* have control over our own website and server. Many
citizens, including my wife Gaia Valeria Pulchre and the newly-elected
tribune Volusus, have shown how we may do so efficiently and
cost-effectively, but we need to actually do it, as soon as possible.

I support the creation of an "economy of activity" in Nova Roma, in which
one's actual contributions and activities allow progress within NR - simply
being here isn't enough. Again, Caesar has outlined some ways this might be
done in his "Nova Roma Reborn" document, and I think I can make some
contributions to his ideas.

I would like to see more and more support for local activity in NR. I have
seen how the level of activity of a governor within a province can
dramatically effect the level of activity in the province. I have also seen
that NR can be at its best when we are meeting in real life, not just
online. Face-to-face meetings need encouragement, and I would like to see
the creation of more "bottom-up" culture in NR rather than "top-down." By
this I mean that innovation at the local level, preferably face-to-face
offline, needs to have more recognition for its role in creating local Nova
Roman cultures that are part of our republic as a whole, rather than
emphasizing the centralized culture of the Main List. Nova Roma should be
the creation-in-progress of Romans meeting together in local communities,
not just handed down from on high by the consuls.

I would like to see a real re-evaluation of the role of the concept of "mos
maiorum" in NR, and the role of the censors in defining what it is and how
it shapes NR.

Finally, I am an Augur and I want to make certain that the gods are
properly consulted throughout any potential reform processes. To the extent
that it lies within a consul's competence, as consul I would want to
encourage the sacred colleges to be more active in Nova Roma, and see the
cultus deorum properly respected (but not, I must add, used as a tool for
political gain or a weapon, as we saw in the time of Piscinus).

These are a few of my thoughts on the future of Nova Roma - I believe these
are ideas that the majority of citizens will support and want to see
examined in the coming year.

Vale!

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:44 AM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> SALVE VALERIANE!
>
> You are known and have experience. During the time performed with honor
> your duties and was a pilar of last year resistance. I really appreciate
> that. Because that, please allow me, to give you an opportunity to explain
> to our citizens what you plan if elected as consul?
>
> VALE,
> Sabinus
>
> "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...>
> To: nova-roma <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>; novaroma-announce <
> novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com>; BackAlley@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:51 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Candidacy for consul
>
>
>
>
> Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> I hereby formally announce my intention to stand as a candidate for the
> office of consul. I announce my intention to enter my name as candidate for
> the office of consul. I fulfill all the legal requirements of our Nova
> Roman law. I believe my devotion to our Republic and the ideals for which
> it stands are well-known, and I ask the support of all citizens in the
> election!
>
> Valete optime omnes!
>
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Salve Caesar,

Thank you for your very clear and detailed response. There are some points
that I might wish to follow-up with you on, but I think it is best to hold
off until the contio formally opens. I also appreciate you sending the link
to your policy paper. I will take some time to read that over again.

Thank you - and again, good luck in the elections!

Vale bene,

Volusus

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <
gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar V. Valerio Voluso sal.
>
> My answers to your questions and points.
>
> VVV: "I must admit that I share Petronius Dexter's concerns about the
> feasibility of handling seven parallel initiatives, particularly when at
> least six of
>
> the seven are quite ambitious and would take a great deal of time to
> manage in one year."
>
> CnIC: As I said to Dexter, the main reason for the failure of some
> consular agendas in the past has been that, (a) the debates did not follow
> a structured time line (b) the senate calls were late and infrequent (c)
> the consuls relied on others during debates to produce solutions. In
> respect of these issues, (a) is simply basic meeting organization skill,
> setting clear and transparent guidelines for what the debate/contio is
> about, what the options are and presenting those in formal motions for
> voting. As to (b), that is simple time management skill, knowing the
> available calendar days for debate in senate or comitia, keeping your eye
> on the ball enough to plan for requesting the auspices, allowing enough
> time for possible negative ones, knowing the rules on calling the
> senate/comitia into session and the rules for the process that follows. As
> to (c), the consulship above all else is the one magistracy where the
> incumbent cannot solely or partly rely on
> others to do the work of innovation. If it happens then that is a bonus,
> but the default position must be that the consuls have to have a clear
> range of options to kickstart a debate. I say debate as distinct from a
> formal contio in senate or comitia.
>
> VVV: "Given the difficulty in getting citizens to devote time
> to participating in the Ludi, not to mention presenting themselves
> as candidates for election to key magistracies or participating in the
> various sodalities, I am wondering who is going to participate in all of
> these initiatives?"
>
> CnIC: The short answer is me, any colleague I might have, the praetors,
> you and your tribunician colleagues, other magistrates, the senate, and the
> people. The degree of participation of the people is unknown, but they MUST
> be given the opportunity, and a genuine one, to have a voice. A direct one,
> and not just the voice of the Tribunes alone. If all but me fall by the
> wayside I can promise you that I will present options and proposed
> solutions. Then each magistrate, each senator, and each citizen will have
> the choice as to whether they participate, and the degree to which they do
> so. Matters will be offered for debate, sent to contio, put to the vote.
>
> VVV: "A complete rewrite of the Constitution is no small task if it is to
> be achieved transparently and with full public disclosure and debate - and
> I do agree with you that such is the correct way to proceed - then
> it involves not only reviewing the current Constitution, but also the
> entire body of law currently in effect, since almost every law currently
> enacted
>
> refers to the present Constitution. We have well over 50 laws to which
> this applies."
>
> CnIC: Yes we have a plethora of laws. In rewriting and renumbering
> sections of the Constitution there are two main risk areas. Naturally the
> first is that there will be leges that reference an old section of the
> Constitution. Secondly that changes to the Constitution will invalidate
> certain laws in their entirety or partially. Dealing with the first issue,
> we have two options. Option (A) is to scan each law for a reference to the
> Constitution and prepare a lex that amends the existing law to either
> a renumbered section, or inserts a new section and deletes old ones. Option
> (B) is to provide a mechanism in the Constitution that allows for an
> edictum of a magistrate to interpret which section of the Constitution is
> referenced by a law as the need arises. That would have to be written in as
> clearly under normal circumstances an edictum cannot overrule a lex. By
> preference and through long association with reading all of our legal code,
> I am confident I
> can prepare a lex to be debated in the normal manner. Again, I can do the
> leg work and present the draft for debate first to the Senate, to afford
> everyone maximum time for debate and discussion, before it even goes to
> comitia.
>
> VVV: "I do applaud your emphasis on putting in place an effective
> framework of legal interpretation (very much needed). That only adds to the
> scope of the enterprise. I could easily see this initiative alone consuming
> all your time as consul, and certainly as a tribune it would also consume a
> great deal of my colleagues time, and mine, in reviewing every tiny detail
> of the new Constitution and new body of law, as well as the
> interpretative framework. In fact, I can't imagine that we would have much
> time to devote to very much else!""
>
> CnIC: The requirement concerning interpretation is to provide a mechanism
> for the future, which can be used to resolve contentious matters of
> meaning. We don't have to interpret it now, but just design a process. That
> process would be built into the Constitution itself, which of course
> currently does not exist.
>
> VVV: "There is also a great risk that legislation under the current
> Constitution and legal framework would be put on hold, so as to be
> incorporated into the new, and if the new Constitution fails to be ratified
> and implemented by the end of your term of office."
>
> CnIC: Nothing needs to go on hold. As per my above comments on
> renumbering, the current entire legal code would continue to operate until
> such time as there were changes. As to proposed new legislation, since the
> majority of alterations to the current Constitution will involve fleshing
> out specifics and obviating points of future conflict, which in the past
> have been on the minutiae of meaning, I think it extremely unlikely that
> any proposed new legislation would suddenly find itself "unconstitutional"
> after the new Constitution were to be enacted. Additionally all this
> requires is that firstly the Constitution be the first order of business,
> and that any new law is parsed against the draft one in its extant state at
> the time a new law is being debated. Good project and time management will
> ensure coordination.
>
> VVV: "Since you do have project management expertise:
>
> 1. Could you perhaps provide a brief outline your risk mitigation
> strategy?
> 2. How do you prioritize these seven initiatives in terms of importance?
> 3. What volunteer resources are available to you - who would do the
> actual work?
> 4. What do you anticipate being the total expenditure/budget to achieve
>
> the goals of these initiatives (rough estimate)?"
>
> CnIC: As per the above bullets:
>
> 1. The primary risks are (a) disorder in the senate and comitia calendar -
> the timing of days of debate, contio and voting. The next risk is comes
> with emergent situations hogging the limelight and de-focusing people from
> these seven tasks. As I said in my statement, these will likely happen. It
> would be a good thing if they didn't, but since some drama and crisis
> usually grips Nova Roma at least once a year, then we must allow for it
> happening. I have watched all of them unfold since 2004, and seen how
> easily they become the core issue. That is partly the problem that an
> overreaction to often a small spark is fanned into a flame, that quickly
> becomes a raging inferno. I work in a macronational environment that
> experiences the same, and crisis management is to put it simply a required
> feature of my job. At the same time I have to still multi-task and meet
> deadline son existing projects. So the risk mitigation strategy is for (1)
> to produce clear
> timelines and publish them so we all know the cut-off points, and the
> trigger points for the next phase. Just the acting of developing and
> publishing them will not only aid transparency but also serve as a tool to
> keep us all on track. As to (2), they key is in how I, and any colleague,
> manage a crisis. Also how you and your colleagues manage them too. We all
> have a responsibility to discharge our duties, but I am sure we can all do
> it in a professional and businesslike manner that ensures that the flame
> flickering on the candle doesn't become the inferno that burns the house
> down.
>
> 2. Well of course like many work environments one could say they are all
> "urgent" ;) Maybe you have experienced that wonderful grading system in
> your macronational work? In essence they are all urgent and since they can
> run in tandem I hesitate to grade them, but if I had to choose, then on a
> personal level I see them being:
>
> A. Constitution & webpage tool access & support to collegia legislative
> agenda.
> B. Macro/NR law issue
> C. IT needs
> D. Recover webpage to US provider
> E. Incentives to citizens
>
> My rationale for this ordering is that the Constitution is a large project
> and must be commenced immediately. Webtool access is a matter of importance
> and also necessary so we can adequately determine what can be patched, if
> anything, until the IT review is complete. The collegia need to be
> consulted and space made available for anything they require rendered into
> a lex. The sooner that happens the better, even if the answer is "currently
> zero". The questions still need to be asked, and also reassessed on a
> regular basis.
>
> Next macro/NR law. As you will see in my answers to another of your
> questions, I attach utmost importance to this process being started and
> progressed to the point where it is either concluded or so well under way
> it is impossible to derail it in 2013 by the consuls dropping the ball.
>
> IT needs can be started ASAP, and are not dependent on the result of the
> examination of the viability of patching the current system, since I start
> from the perspective of looking at the functions we have now in areas such
> as the censorial database, that we are likely to have, population shifts,
> and decide what tools are available to do the job well, but at a cost
> effective rate. Our IT needs have to be constrained by our budget, and
> specifically by our revenue flow and the avilability of people to
> administer systems. NR has relied on specialists in the past and they have
> either quit in despair or stomped off in a huff over political "issues".
> Either way we have been left high and dry, so an essential feature for me
> of any system, or component part of it, is that it doesn't require a
> specialist to maintain it.
>
> Recovery of the webpage is simply good practice that all of the assets of
> the corporation need to be subject to the same judicial system as the
> incorporation state.
>
> Incentives to citizens takes last place because until we can demonstrate
> to the people that we are making determined and successful steps to
> eradicate the same tired old issues, no one will be convinced that NR has
> got its focus back. The perennial complaints about the tax are
> understandable, but at the same time one simply cannot splurge money from
> the treasury unless you know you have a plan and capacity to recoup it.
> Signing up to undertakings that require a yearly fee that our income cannot
> replace is unacceptable. Equally getting involved in the ludi and other
> areas of interest only seem attractive when judged as part of a healthy,
> viable and dynamic organisation that has its focus on its core business and
> mandate. As we can demonstrate problems being resolved we increase
> the likelihood that people will be more willing to invest time and energy.
>
> VVV: "I believe you wrote a paper on this issue, which I read with
> interest earlier this year. I can't remember where it was posted. Could you
> provide a link to that paper? Do you still stand by that original analysis
> and proposed solution, or is it no-longer in line with your current
> thinking? It seems fixing this should take priority over an overhaul of
> theConstitution and dependent body of law - or is the one dependent on
> the other?"
>
> CnIC: It can be found in the files section of this list. It is titled Nova
> Roma Reborn.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/files/NovaRomaReborn.pdf
>
> Yes, I stand by the analysis and the solution. It is vital that Nova Roma
> Inc. abide with all requirements placed on it under Maine law. Anything
> else is fanciful absurdity. The senate has the obligation and fiduciary
> responsibility to ensure this happens, as in corporate terms it serves as
> the Board of Directors of the incorporated status of NR. However this dual
> wearing of hats, corporate and res publica, has been the catalyst either
> for irresponsible calls to ignore Maine law, or for conflicts between the
> demands of that law and the workings of a res publica. I characterize it as
> two elements stored together that become combustible when mixed. Maine law
> and NR law simply don't fit well. The result - an explosion. The solution
> is to separate the two yet keep them inextricably linked by a third
> element, in this case a contractual agreement. NR Inc. would then function
> on "normal" non-profit lines, one member one vote, an elected board etc. and
> follow Maine law to the letter, while subcontracting in effect to the res
> publica side. The latter would be "private" and not non-profit, but at the
> same time not have access to ANY funds or assets. All those MUST remain in
> the hands of the non-profit. The res publica entity would provide the
> framework of the res publica, senate, comitia etc. The point? The res
> publica becomes an arms length entity from NR Inc. and freed from the
> dicatates of non-profit laws that conflict with Roman legal principles, yet
> all the assets and funds never pass from the control of Nr Inc. Only
> through this method can we escape from the intrusion of Maine law that
> simply is inconsistent with our general legal system and governance model
> in a res publica.
>
> VVV: "It really doesn't matter where the provider is located, what matters
> is applying due diligence to ensure financial stability, data
> accessibility and protection. You could very easily host the site on a
> US-based provider and still lose all your data assets."
>
> CnIC: I am thinking Voluse of our current situation. Our former CIO
> packaged it off to a contact of his, and frankly it isn't a national or
> multinational company as far as I can see. In the past private individuals
> have hosted it. I can easily foresee it in the future ending up on
> someone's server who is either closely connected with, or themselves in,
> Nova Roma and then our problems start when access is cut off to magistrates
> (happened before) and passwords change, become unavailable, levels of
> access are not granted etc. Having the provider under the
> same jurisdiction enables more cost effective legal remedies to be pursued
> if that happens. It is simply good business practise, but you are correct
> it doesn't prevent it happening, but it may have a deterrent effect. Some
> jurisdictions do not permit foreign nationals or entities to sue their
> citizens, or only after an absurdly long process. If the individual doesn't
> have assets in the US for
> example, and has no likelihood of doing so or travelling there, unless
> they willingly submit to US court jurisdiction, then they are outside our
> reach. That is unacceptable risk to the corporation assets.
>
> VVV: "I would rather the consul work on much higher level concerns such as
> items #1 and #2 above and bundle #3 with #4, and #5 into a single
> initiative and form a volunteer working-group that includes input from our
> more technically experienced citizens. It is for the consul to champion
> the initiative, set budget limits, provide the business requirements (some
> of which you have outlined) and ensure that the Senate is behind
> the initiative. Is this how you anticipate proceeding?"
>
> CnIC: Yes. I have some background with program design and database
> management, but involving those whose bread and butter it is makes absolute
> sense. Also though we need representation from your typical end user
> without such a technical background. My job, and my colleague, would be to
> provide the framework for the discussion, having set that through
> senatorial debate and a senatus consultum. Even the senate debate could see
> initial input from experts. What I will not do is sign up to a plan that
> only looks at a "made in NR" approach to IT. I would push for cost
> effective off the shelf options before I fritter our money away on some
> lumbering beast that only a few can maintain. As I said before, when they
> have quit that has left us up the proverbial creek minus paddle.
>
> VVV: "Has this not been on-going all last year? It seems unlikely
> negotiation will be any more successful this year than it was last year.
> Have you weighed the cost of legal action against the cost of
> reimplementing the site on another system?"
>
> CnIC: Apparently it has. Our former CIO stated, apparently, he only wanted
> to treat with one person. As to negotiation, we won't know until we try
> again. Yes I have weighed the cost, and it maybe that if we extract the
> data we need, assuming we can from our current level of access, that we
> import it into a new engine and delete the old application. If however we
> find we cannot do without the tools, or that the data is locked in and we
> can easily transpose it, then we should investigate all avenues, including
> the legal option. The final decision would be the Senate's as it would be
> an expenditure item, and we would need to run a risk analysis on loss of
> the data versus cost of a legal action. is it worth it? Those debates must
> start as soon as possible.
>
> VVV: " This item seems to me to be tightly linked to #5 below. It would
> seem a great pity to waste money on acquiring access to data via legal
> means - particularly when it will not guarantee that you will get
> everything - only to discover that such data (code) is no longer of much
> use. That is why I suggest making 3, 4 and 5 as a single initiative under a
> single working-group or task-force."
>
> CnIC: The analysis of the data from what we know and can access can indeed
> form part of the work of such a group, and they can provide an assessment
> of the liklihood of what we might be able to transport from
> one application to another, if anything. Then the discussion will involve
> others such as the Censors to determine what they need, and what they can
> do without.
>
> VVV: "I would concur with the reasoning of using a senatus consultum as
> an appropriate legal instrument for implementing, provided that there is
> real and significant outside discussion."
>
> CnIC: Good planning on my part will ensure that we can run a discussion in
> the Senate with the tribunes giving a summary on an ongoing basis. There
> are rules constraining this but I am sure that without direct quotes and
> establishing a process between the consuls and the tribunes, real time
> reporting on a summary basis can happen. It serves the interests of all and
> is within the mos maiorum of old. As long as certain basic courtesies are
> respected to our existing manner of doing business in the senate I see such
> a process as productive and meritorious.
>
> VVV: "However, I'm a little concerned about fiscal policy being in any way
> linked to technical infrastructure considerations. Shouldn't we have a
> known budget and constraint already in place before considering technical
> solutions? I have never been involved in a technical strategy consultation
> where the budget was entirely unknown. At the end of the strategy it may
> certainly be the case that what is delivered is a report that shows what
> can be delivered for the initially stated budget ranges provided, and what
> an adjusted budget would look like if all the technical needs are to be
> met. Surely, fiscal policy should be set and that policy forms one of the
> constraints under which technical considerations are discussed?"
>
> CnIC: Well I have equally been involved in system design where the debate
> over what is in scope and what is not started at the outset, along with the
> demands for more budget allocation. As I see it the bottom line is our CFO
> can easily provide the new consuls and senate with a quick analysis. It
> will be a figure determined by looking at our minimum revenue flow,
> extrapolated upwards (or more likely downwards at the moment), versus our
> existing financial commitments. Then after leaving an appropriate amount
> for emergent expenditures, we will end up with a figure that is the maximum
> we can spend. A vital consideration though outside of the budget is that
> the system(s) must be low maintenance and not skilled personnel dependent.
> I will not see us spend money so in the future we can be held hostage
> again. We will have a figure Voluse, and if we have to trim our cloth to
> produce a functional suit, then that is what we must do.
>
> VVV: "Could you say how you intend to re-energize the Senate? Isn't the
> problem that too much goes on "up top" and there is very little for new
> citizens to do or participate in once they have waited 90 days to become a
> citizen, other than watching endless arguments on ML between magistrates
> and "old timers"?"
>
> CnIC: Bang on the nail Voluse. Also a matter I addressed in my paper. Add
> to that the absurdity of our current century point system where you can
> climb the ladder without any input, together with the over-exuberance of
> people wanting to do something then finding out that it demands more of
> them than they were prepared for and vanishing half-way through a project
> or a term of office. It is endemic. The Senate has seen it all before. The
> same arguments, the same issues. That my colleagues sit rather mute is no
> surprise. Additionally the current structure does nothing to empower the
> Senate. They meet at the whim of the Consuls. I intend to strengthen their
> ability to ensure Consuls adhere to policy set by the Senate, and to make
> it a body whose voice must be heard by the Consuls of the day, whether they
> want to hear it or not. Empowering it and making it less of a rubber stamp
> for the latest round of inane policy decisions will help in that goal.
> Much as with the people, the Senate will believe it when they see it. If
> they see resolution to these same tired out old issues, then I believe they
> will participate more readily.
>
> VVV: "How do we get the upcoming generation of citizens involved
> and energized, and to stick around, seems a lot more important than
> energizing the Senate - it appears to me that the Senators are energetic
> enough, but not always in the most productive ways. I'd like to see the
> Senate supporting the people and promoting the cultural life of NR on ML,
> ratherthan indulging in their own pet projects or squabbling on ML."
>
> CnIC: Our political life is one successful revival ;) Again I agree that
> as much as income, new citizens are vital. I have always wanted an
> inclusive approach to citizenship, rather than an exclusive one. NR will
> always have a sink effect, where people flow in and flow out, but retention
> will be based on relevance, and relevance involves curing
> these relatively simple problems, that Dexter named the seven headed hydra.
> New citizens must wonder why we simply don't address them and "get it
> done". I have always wondered that myself, but again, it all comes down to
> keeping focus. I also address this in my paper.
>
> VVV: "I think this is simply a matter of fulfilling the oath of office, or
> did you have something more specific in mind, over and above that?"
>
> CnIC: It isn;t about the oath per se, but again common sense to ask the
> collegium pontificum if they have any items they have tucked away which
> need a lex as opposed to a decretum. It is courtesy and good planning.
>
> VVV: "I fully agree with this; that 2012 needs to be a year of
> restructuring. I think that has become painfully obvious. However, we need
> to be careful of being overly ambitious - it is better to under-promise and
> over-deliver than to over-promise and under-deliver. That is why I think it
> is very important to prioritize and clearly identify the available
> resources, both human and financial for any project or undertaking. If you
> were to commit to only items 1 & 2 of your objectives I would say that
> itself is quite ambitious."
>
> CnIC: As I said to Dexter, I have been mulling these issues over for two
> years. I have been at the forefront of the debates, in the senate, in the
> forum and in correspondence, with all the principal "players". In one style
> of problem analysis you can break issues into "problems" and "messes". A
> mess is something there is no obvious solution to. Over the last few years
> there has been so much debate on these issues, at least six of them and
> four in particular, that many have lost sight of the fact that the debates
> produced the options, explored the issues. usually something intruded, the
> focus was lost, a drama started and a 'crisis" erupted and the sight of the
> ball was lost. Months later we would collectively pick it up
> and completely forget, or so it seemed, where we had got to and start the
> whole wretched process again. These are not messes Voluse, just problems
> that appear messes. Consular direction is needed to cut through that web of
> confusion.
> When it does not happen, for whatever reason, and this has been going on
> for years, then it is hardly surprising we are still plodding around the
> same circular track. With good planning, focus, a timetable and a modicum
> of goodwill then 365 days should be enough. I will offer the opportunities
> for debate and input, and if it doesn't happen in any venue, senate or
> comitia, I will put matters to a vote. It is up to people how much they
> want to participate, but if ample opportunity is afforded and people stay
> silent, a vote still we will have.
>
> VVV: "Again, I wish you luck in the campaign and thank you for your time
> in taking some of my observations and comments under consideration."
>
> CnIC: Many thanks, and again congratulations upon your election.
>
>
> Optime vale.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nicholas Cowham <nykcowham@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Consulship - my opening agenda
>
>
>
> V. Valerius Volusus C. Iulio Caesar S.P.D.
>
> Firstly, I am happy to see you standing for the position for consul and
> wish you the best of luck in your campaign. I also appreciate you outlining
> your proposed program. I do have a few questions and observations I'd like
> to present to you.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Ave!

Fabius, mi amice, it pains me to write this email to you. But, I have to.
I have to because we have always agreed that we would treat each other
honorably and that if one of us does something wrong we would hold each
other accountable. Fabius, you know I love you man (platonically speaking
of course) but you are wrong about your statement that the nota you were
given in 2009 was NOT extremely partisan. Fabius, we both know why you
were notaed by Laenas and Paulinus and neither of them are really prone to
factional extremesim. It is a disservice to each of those two men that you
accuse them of that. They both took the actions necessary for the public
morality and I supported them and the placement of the Nota.

Remember Fabius we hold our side to a higher standard of conduct and
standing because we believe we are better.

Most Respectfully and always your friend,

Sulla

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/13/2011 9:56:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> nykcowham@... writes:
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Robert Woolwine
> <robert.woolwine@...
> > wrote:
>
> > Ave Censor,
> >
> > I agree with you. My personal opinion is that this is Nova Roma's last
> > shot in trying to set up a foundation a solid foundation from which we
> can
> > seed a future of possibility and achieve the goals that was founded by
> > Marcus Cassius and Flavius Vedius! We have gone from conflict to
> > conflict....we went through the worst civil war in NR's history and we
> have
> > not yet learned or implemented many of the lessons that we have.
> Q. Fabius Maximus SPD
> Nova Roma has lurched from crisis to crisis because of a number of things.
> But the elections were not the only cause. Mostly it was the failure of
> the Senate to do its job, namely set policy for the government. Since 2003
> we have had a sick Senate. If you believe in the writings of the great
> Mommsen the late republican Senate in Rome was made up two factions the
> Optimates and the Popularii.
> To lead is to compromise. That is what the two factions would do, up
> until Iulius Caesar crossed the Rubicon. From that point on a Principate
> was
> being formed which the average Roman in the street was unaware, but the
> Senate certainly did. And we all know how it turned out.
>
> Here in Nova Roma From 2004 to 2010 Compromise was not possible. That is
> because the Censors would pack the Curule House with their supporters.
> After winning a popularity contest where all their friends told the
> populace
> by "endorsements" of how great leaders these guys running for office were
> yet believed by an aphatic crowd of voters, the new government would have
> a
> loyal senate .
> And that was how NR drifted into this mess that came to head in 2010.
> Pure Apathy. The Senate was apathtic as well. Most members were told how
> to
> vote and who to dislike. In 2009 we had the sad spectacle of two Senators
> - both former consuls - calling each other names, and one use his
> authority
> illegally against the other.
>
>
> .
>
> 2010 which I consider NRs lowest point (The trials were the second.) two
> incompetent persons be elected as Praetors, on the recommendation of their
> friends in the government. They both ended up being forced to resign after
> which one was brought up on charges. This was a failure of the voters who
> voted again as if it was a popularity contest.
>
> I have been a member of the Nova Roman Senate since 2000. I have observed
> the Senate in operation except for a short period at the 2009 when I
> removed by Nota by the then powers in charge. I was restored in 2010,
> because
> the reason for removal was extremely partisan.
> I believe that in order for Nova Roma to succeed there must be a strong
> senate. Not one that rubberstamps every Consular decision, but one that
> opposes even the hint of such, and rather opposes the Consular items,
> until
> convinced to do otherwise. Likewise that is important for discipline. An
> undisciplined Senate is an unproductive one.
>
> This last year (2010) saw calm here in Nova Roma. However the Senate
> dropped the ball again. After censor Memmius resigned no temporary censor
> was
> appointed. Because of this, the elections for censor poses difficulties,
> which could have been avoided.
>
> No, the tribes do not elect Senators. But they elect censors. And
> censors are need to be fair and impartial in the appointment of Senators,
> appointing only the best and brightest no matter who their friends may be.
>
> Valete
> Q Fabius Maximus
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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est Idibus Decembribus; hic dies nefastus publicus est.

"And now it may well be asked, what part is left to the people in this
government: since the senate, on the one hand, is vested with the
sovereign power, in the several instances that have been enumerated,
and more especially in all things that concern the management and
disposal of the public treasure; and since the consuls, on the other
hand, are entrusted with the absolute direction of the preparations
that are made for war, and exercise an uncontrolled authority on the
field. There is, however, a part still allotted to the people; and,
indeed, the most important part. For, first, the people are the sole
dispensers of rewards and punishments; which are the only bands by
which states and kingdoms, and, in a word, all human societies, are
held together. For when the difference between these is overlooked, or
when they are distributed without due distinction, nothing but
disorder can ensue. Nor is it possible, indeed, that the government
should be maintained if the wicked stand in equal estimation with the
good. The people, then, when any such offences demand such punishment,
frequently condemn citizens to the payment of a fine: those especially
who have been invested with the dignities of the state. To the people
alone belongs the right to sentence any one to die. Upon this occasion
they have a custom which deserves to be mentioned with applause. The
person accused is allowed to withdraw himself in open view, and
embrace a voluntary banishment, if only a single tribe remains that
has not yet given judgment; and is suffered to retire in safety to
Praeneste, Tibur, Naples, or any other of the confederate cities. The
public magistrates are allotted also by the people to those who are
esteemed worthy of them: and these are the noblest rewards that any
government can bestow on virtue. To the people belongs the power of
approving or rejecting laws and, which is still of greater importance,
peace and war are likewise fixed by their deliberations. When any
alliance is concluded, any war ended, or treaty made; to them the
conditions are referred, and by them either annulled or ratified. And
thus again, from a view of all these circumstances, it might with
reason be imagined, that the people had engrossed the largest portion
of the government, and that the state was plainly a democracy.

Such are the parts of the administration, which are distinctly
assigned to each of the three forms of government, that are united in
the commonwealth of Rome. It now remains to be considered, in what
manner each several form is enabled to counteract the others, or to
cooperate with them." - Polybius, Histories VI


"From Zeus let us begin; him do we mortals never leave unnamed; full
of Zeus are all the streets and all the marketplaces of men; full is
the sea and the heavens thereof...He it was who first set up the signs
in heaven...Wherefore him do we men ever worship first and last." -
Aratus, "Phenomena"

"The Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus, designed by Tarquinius
Priscus, built by Tarquinius Superbus, and dedicated in 509 B.C. by
the consul M. Horatius Pulvillus, stood on a high platform •207 1/2
feet long, by 192 1/2 feet broad. The front of the edifice, ornamented
with their rows of columns, faced the south. The style of the
architecture was purely Etruscan, and the intercolumniations were so
wide as to require architraves of timber.º The cella was divided into
three sections, the middle one of which was sacred to Jupiter, that on
the right to Minerva, that on the left to Juno regia; the top of the
pediment was ornamented with a terra-cotta quadriga. Of the same
material was the statue of the god, with the face painted red, and the
body dressed in a tunica palmata and a toga picta, the work of an
Etruscan artist, Turianus of Fregenae.

In 386 B.C. it was found necessary to enlarge the platform in the
centre of which the temple stood; and as the hill was sloping, even
precipitous, on three sides, it was necessary to raise huge foundation
walls from the plain below to the level of the platform, a work
described by Pliny (xxxvi.15,24) as prodigious, and by Livy (vi.4) as
one of the wonders of Rome.

On July 6, 83 B.C., four hundred and twenty-six years after its
dedication by Horatius Pulvillus, an unknown malefactor, taking
advantage of the abundance of timber used in the structure, set fire
to it, and utterly destroyed the sanctuary which for four centuries
had presided over the fates of the Roman Commonwealth. The incendiary,
less fortunate than Erostratos, remained unknown, the suspicions cast
at the time against Papirius Carbo, Scipio, p87Norbanus and Sulla
having proved groundless. He probably belonged to the faction of
Marius, because we know that Marius himself laid hands on the
half-charred ruins of the temple, and pillaged several thousand pounds
of gold." - Rodolfo Lanciani, "Pagan Shrines and Temples" II


Today is sacred to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus.


"I reached the Alps: the soul within me burned
Italia, my Italia, at thy name:
And when from out the mountain's heart I came
And saw the land for which my life had yearned,
I laughed as one who some great prize had earned:
And musing on the story of thy fame
I watched the day, till marked with wounds of flame
The turquoise sky to burnished gold was turned
The pine-trees waved as waves a woman's hair,
And in the orchards every twining spray
Was breaking into flakes of blossoming foam..." - Oscar Wilde, "Salve
Saturnia Tellus"

"Let Tellus, fertile in fruits and herds,
present Ceres with a crown of wheat stalks;
let the healthy waters and breezes of Jupiter nourish the offspring."
- Horace, Carmina Saeculares 29-32

"They say that whereas the one great mother has a tympanum, it is
signified that she is the orb of the earth; whereas she has towers on
her head, towns are signified; and whereas seats are fixed round about
her, it is signified that whilst all things move, she moves not. And
their having made the Galli to serve this goddess, signifies that they
who are in need of seed ought to follow the earth for in it all seeds
are found. By their throwing themselves down before her, it is taught
that they who cultivate the earth should not sit idle, for there is
always something for them to do. The sound of the cymbals signifies
the noise made by the throwing of iron utensils, and by men's hands,
and all other noises connected with agricultural operations; and these
cymbals are of brass, because the ancients used brazen utensils in
their agriculture before iron was discovered. They place beside the
goddess an unbound and tame lion, to show that there is no kind of
land so wild and so excessively barren as that it would be profitless
to attempt to bring it in and cultivate it. They think that Tellus is
Ops, because the earth is improved by labor; Mother, because it brings
forth much; Great, because it brings forth seed; Proserpine, because
fruits creep forth from it; Vesta, because it is invested with herbs.
And thus they not at all absurdly identify other goddesses with the
earth." - from Augustine of Hippo, "City of God" ch. 23

Today is also sacred to Tellus, often called Tellus Mater. She was
seen as the goddess of the earth, fertility, motherhood and pregnant
women. Her temple, the Aedes Telluris, was dedicated on 13 December
268 B.C., on the Esquiline Hill near the Templum Pax (Temple of Peace)
on the Forum Pacis. Tellus was invoked during earthquakes, because her
temple had been dedicated in consequence of an earthquake that
occurred during a battle with the Picentes.

Valete bene!

Cato

Sta. Cornelia Aeternia V. Valerio Voluso S.P.D.


Thank you Volusus for the acknowledgement and your participation within the
Aedilician Cohors, you have been a breath of fresh air that I am glad we
came across. I have no regrets about my being gracious in that regard of
"new-talent", we need citizens and we need them active, else how are we as
resrepublica are going to thrive and continue to function?

Now to respond to your question.

This type of question is very hypothetical, and that is impossible for any
magistrate to answer the question adequately. The best way I can answer
that in my past experience in Nova Roma and in other organizations, and my
network of friends, people I trust and esteem, would be sufficient to give
me a wealth of knowledge and experience to draw from and make my own
conclusion.

Vale Optime,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Nicholas Cowham <nykcowham@...>wrote:

> V. Valerius Volusus Sta. Corneliae Aeterniae S.P.D.
>
> Firstly, I would like to thank you Aeternia for all the hard work you
> poured into fulfilling your duties as Aedilis Curule this year. When I
> started as a new citizen there appeared to be very little for me to do or
> contribute, but the one thing that stood out and cast sunshine on NR were
> the Ludi that you and the Aedilician Cohors organized. I was very honored
> that you invited me to join the Cohors and to work on the Ludi Romani;
> providing an equal opportunity to participate in NR life, and giving me as
> much opportunity to shine as I was willing to volunteer for.
>
> Any magistrate who can 'talent scout' new citizens, build a functioning and
> happy team, allow others take the limelight, and motivate everyone in her
> team to be their best, is an absolute treasure to an organization of
> volunteers such as ours. Sadly, it seems, that your gracious promotion of
> others might have been misconceived by some. In any case, I thank you for
> giving me opportunities to be involved. One thing is absolutely certain,
> that without your inspiration I would not be serving as tribunus plebis
> right now!
>
> That brings me to my question. The Praetor may be required to provide an
> interpretation of law. You have stated your overall approach to be
> consultative, such that is your "intent to encourage a liaison of contact
> between all of the involved Magistrates". Could you please clarify that in
> the event of wide disagreement between other magistrates or lack of input,
> for whatever reason, that you would be still be able to reach an adequate
> and sound interpretation independently?
>
> I wish you good luck with your campaign.
>
> Vale optime
>
> Volusus
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Belle Morte Statia <
> syrenslullaby@...
> > wrote:
>
> > Sta. Cornelia Aeternia T. Iulio Sabino Censori Omnibusque S.P.D.
> >
> > To address your response and the matters that rose yesterday, this is my
> > official statement of intent for the office as Praetor.
> >
> > As previously announced I have declared my candidacy as Praetor. Here
> is a
> > more comprehensive look as how I see myself fulfilling this position.
> >
> > From observation there seems to be three obstacles that Praetors face
> > outside of smaller various tasks that are also assigned with this
> position.
> > First the moderation of our Main Forum, secondly the often confusing
> nature
> > of word interpretation of our Constitution, which as elected Praetor
> which
> > will include contributing to any debates and assisting in the review of
> any
> > proposals to repair the Constitution, and thirdly dealing with any
> > potential trials that would fall under the current legal system of Nova
> > Roma.
> >
> > The first item, the moderation of the Main Forum. As I have observed
> > during this year, the moderation edict and methods applied by this year's
> > praetors seems quite effective. It balances a light hand with the
> > responsibility to behave appropriately. My intention is to continue in
> > their footsteps and I would apply the same effective methods. As many of
> > you have observed this year through the deliverance of this year�s
> Ludi, I
> > am quite capable of running a Cohors. Outside of the Censors Office, the
> > Aedilician Cohors was the second busiest Cohors within Nova Roma, so the
> > running the Praetura is well within my scope of competence.
> >
> > Secondly regarding the Constitution, the interpretation of it requires
> not
> > only input from the Praetors, but also involves the Consuls, Censors, and
> > Tribunes. It is my intent to encourage a liaison of
> > contact between all of the involved Magistrates as mentioned above so
> that
> > in times when interpretation is required there can be available to the
> > magistrate concerned, if they so wish, a full range of opinions.
> >
> > Last but not least Trials, which is a unfortunate aspect that dwells
> within
> > Nova Roma. Until there is a change within the legal system process for
> > trials and prosecutions, they have to be administered in a fair,
> expedient
> > and just manner. That means conducting any trial according to the law of
> > Nova Roma as it is written per the Lex Salicia Iudicaria and Lex Salicia
> > Poenalis. Although again following in the footsteps of one of the current
> > Praetors, all prospective litigants should be aware that upon successful
> > election. I will make the responsibility of the person commencing the
> > prosecution to work hard to just get his or her case accepted, and I will
> > encourage alternative routes in lieu of a trial, and to offer mediation
> or
> > arbitration such disputes outside of a formal trial process, if all
> parties
> > willingly agree to it.
> >
> > The position of Praetor is a grave one. It can impact people's lives in
> > Nova Roma, through moderation, trials etc. The rather lighthearted and
> fun
> > approach that I brought to the office of Curule Aedile is not that which
> > the office of Praetor demands. What worked as an approach and demeanor
> for
> > planning, promoting and executing the ludi in the Aedilician Cohors will
> > not work for the praetura. It demands gravitas, as some were good enough
> to
> > remind me ;) and gravitas it will get from me if elected. We all have our
> > own perception of how to integrate Romanitas into our lives, and yes my
> > approach is sometimes more lighthearted than some may at times
> appreciate,
> > but we each own our Romanitas and we each find our own path. Not every
> > ancient Roman was some rigid little stick-in-the-mud. They did have the
> > capacity to laugh, crack a joke and be lighthearted.
> >
> > If any are concerned that the practices in other groups I have belonged
> to
> > in the past (such as the SCA), or do now belong to, in anyway influence
> > how I see Nova Roma, do not be. I am above all, and always have been,
> > dedicated to the founding principles of our republican Nova Roma. A fair,
> > just and republican Nova Roma is what I stand for and those principles
> are
> > what, if elected as Praetor, I will see discharged through the praetura.
> >
> > As to some of the other concerns, presents and paying taxes, the first
> was
> > a thank you for all the hard effort the members of the cohors put in
> during
> > this year, and the second was to help Nova Roma's Treasury as much as to
> > help the individuals. Seriously, that doesn't "buy" anything and it is
> sad
> > people might think that, but I cannot control their thoughts. They will
> > think what they will of me.
> >
> > I have always been ready to serve and assist Nova Roma. That I do it with
> > the odd giggle, a bit of fun, may irritate some people and that I accept,
> > but I am not going to try to change who I am, and nor should anyone. If I
> > were not to get elected I still wouldn't change. I would rather be
> > genuinely "me" and take my knocks for it if that is what the electorate
> > think, than a plastic version just pretending to be something I am not.
> > Take me or leave me. I am who I am. No one in Nova Roma who has been
> > "involved" can safely throw stones inside our little glasshouse.
> >
> > I ask for your support during this election, and Bona Fortuna to all the
> > candidates across the board.
> >
> > Vale Optime bene,
> > Statia Cornelia Aeternia
> >
> >
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SALVE PORCI GEMMA!

Thank you very much for answer.
The activity of Legio XXI Rapax and of Gladius association is well known in Nova Roma. Lentulus took care to promote the events and many of us saw the photos. Connection with Nova Roma during these events is also known and well appreciated.
Now, knowing you are one of developers of that association give to our citizens a more complete image about your good skills and the desire to extend that to international level.
You will make a good quaestor and Nova Roma is proud to have you around its members. I wish you success in elections.

VALE,
Sabinus

 
"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius


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From: Spurius Porcius <gladius.porcius@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Candidacy for Quaestorship

Because of financial matters only ask for this answer. Of course, more
detail will soon introduce myself to your choice, a decision must be
substantiated. The same sentiments are good, but sometimes wrong.
2000-2008 to a school in Szolnok financial committee drove 104 million
budget. Currently the Managing Director of the World Federation of Hungarian
Folk I am. This is in recognition of the work that has been left to
support their
own income to provide for their own team of Roman military operations. The
State did not give a penny to operate. Four years, a national
organization became
the XXI. rapax parent organization of the legion GLADIUS association. This road
was difficult in today's world. I am not a wizard, but I can do my comrades
get cohesion and efficiency. In my training is not in the financial field,
but the past few years line such tasks have been me .. I hope this is
enough. Of course, I completed several national training and consultants also
have international experience, but only now become possible, it is true.
vale Sp. P Gemma

2011/12/12 Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>

> **
>
>
> SALVE GEMMA!
>
> Your desire to serve is really appreciated. That is good office to start
> your Cursus Honorum.
> I am sure in Pannonia you done great job. Photos from various events
> proves that.
> Now you candidate to the central administration. As quaestor you will be
> assigned to a magistrate where will receive specific duties, some of them
> in the financial field.
> Which is your past experience in that area, of finances?
>
> VALE,
> Sabinus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Spurius Porcius <gladius.porcius@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve!
> >
> > My name is Spurius Porcius Gemma.
> >
> > I deal with preservation of roman military traditions in Hungary since
> 2006.
> >
> > I am a citizen of Nova Roma since 2007.
> >
> > I have been the scriba of Cn. Lentulus since 2008.
> >
> > I am the legate of Pannonias' governor since 2010.
> >
> > I organize every roman-related festivity, like Floralia and Saturnalia.
> >
> > Since 2011 dec. 3. I am the vice-president of Global Hungarian Military
> > Traditionists Association (MHVSZ).
> >
> > Since it is important for me to be an official as a Nova Roman citizen, I
> > am running for QVAESTOR in 2012.
> >
> > With the help of the gods I might be able to reach this goal.
> >
> > Vale Spurius Porcius Gemma.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Spurius Porcius Gemma
> >
> >
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> >
>
> 
>

--
Spurius Porcius Gemma


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SALVE!

Thank you very much for answer.

VALE,
Sabinus
 
"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius


________________________________
From: Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Statement of Intent-- Praetorial Candidacy


 
Aeternia Sabino sal:

In regards to your first question, the ability of the Praetors to change
laws usually relies on the good will of the Consuls to make room for any
legislation. If they support it then I think we need a new model. The only
few trials we have had either were upsetting, or confusing or both to many
people. We need a simpler yet fair model with arbitration and mediation
options available before we even consider trials. Maybe making those
options possibly mandatory.

As to the second question the one example I can think of when a Praetor
adapted the law was in the trial of Cincinnatus, when because he didn't
turn up for trial and there was a gap in the law, the Praetor created the
offense of failing to attend by edict, if I am correct. That caused a huge
storm so creating law by edict is dangerous and we should tread very
carefully. I would always give the benefit of such an act to the
defendant. So my path would be conservative because people have to rely on
the law not changing suddenly and if I did it, in a fair and of course just
manner.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

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SALVE AEMILI CRASSE!

Your desire to serve the Republic is appreciated. I know you have experience and common sense and your activity is directed to the entire community benefit.
As tribune you kept the flag up. I wish you to do the same as praetor.

VALE,
Sabinus
 
"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius


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From: C. Aemilius Crassus <c.aemilius.crassus@...>
To: Nova Roma <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>; Nova Roma Announce <NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:10 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Candidacy to Praetor


 
C. Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD,

I come to you to present my candidacy to Praetor in the upcoming elections.

I'm 40 years old, from Portugal and have served Nova Roma as Diribitor,
scriba to Aedilis Curulis Cn. Iulius Caesar and Tribunus Plebis and I am
Lictor of Nova Roma. I believe to have performed all my duties honorably and
well in these positions.

In my view the Praetores have as main duties:

- To maintain and moderate the Nova Roma Main List and the Forum Hospitum.

I think the model used this year worked very well and I propose to maintain
the Edictum and the moderation as it is.

- To maintain and update the Tabularium.

Here I will not propose any change directly but in my opinion the Tabularium
is a mess. Even not counting with some leges of which the original text was
lost there are, in my opinion, several problems.

New leges modify old ones making extremely hard to know what is in force or
not. The Praetor can't do much here unless ask the legislating Magistrate to
rescind the old lex and make a new one from the start. I think I have asked
that to all new leges proposals but to no avail, hopefully if elected
Praetor there will more chance to be heard.

To accommodate the problem above in the Tabularium and in certain leges
doesn't appear the original text but the text with the several amends. In my
opinion this is wrong, the text should be exactly as the one voted by the
comitia without any alteration, not even to correct spelling.

I think the problem should be solved by a SC giving the guidelines to all
Magistrates and Praetores and not by the personal taste of each Praetor.
Giving the next year will be a very busy one for sure if elected I don't
think I will try to propose anything to the Senate concerning this matter
but will publish the leges as they were voted and ask anyone who is
proposing new legislation to simple rescind old one.

The true is Nova Roma has too much and too complicate legislation for her
dimension.

- To administrate justice.

Hopefully there will be no need. But if there will be I intend to follow the
leges to the letter. If elected I too consider that any case needs to prove
is necessity and will try very hard to solve the matter without a court.

I don't agree with what some people have state on this matter and in my
opinion the Magistrates with power to issue Edicta can legislate by Edicta.
But those Edicta are subject and over ranked by all passed Collegia Decreta,
laws, constitution and subject to superior, same rank and Tribuni vetos. If
any of these fails the Edicta is void.

- To organize the Ludi Apollinares in name of Nova Roma.

With the help of many people I did organized the Ludi Ceriales this year so
I have a little experience on Ludi organization and I am confident to be
able to do the Ludi Apollinares jointly with the other elected Praetor.

If elected I will try to work with all other Magistrates and officers of
Nova Roma. If agreement can not be reached then the constitution and leges
give the exact precedence order.

I am at your disposal to answer any question any citizen may have.

Di vos incolumes custodiant.

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SALVE ET SALVETE!

First point, about 1 year overlap: 
Censors works collegial in the most important decisions. When one come with experience in office and the second with the specific enthusiasm of the beginning , the colegiall work result in equilibrium. Among other as wisdom and impartiality for example,  that equilibrium is the result of the mutual agreement and a component part of  the more complex attribute they posses: authority.

Second point, about remedies:
Of course I will help with all what is necessary the new elected censores. I know that many of our possible candidates for censura were not allowed (from political reasons) in the past censorial cohorts so there was not any chance for them to know the citizenship database management, which trust me, is something very complex involving many procedures.

VALETE,
Sabinus
 
"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius


________________________________
From: Nicholas Cowham <nykcowham@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Question on the Censor's Position

Salvete!

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:19 AM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

> **
> In a message dated 12/13/2011 3:53:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> nykcowham@... writes:
>
> I would prefer the consuls to either resolve this by allowing the election
> of two censores and declaring an electoral formula (e.g. most number of
> votes is the 2 year censor) by edictum or to simply defer, and allow two
> censores to be elected for one year and defer the resolution of the
> suffectus issue until after the 2011 elections (e.g. Let the Senate issue
> an SC to resolve the issue of the 2012 election).
>
> -------------------------
> Salve et Salvete
> Except you miss the entire point of the why for the 1 year overlap.
> The Senior Censor is there to instruct the jr in procedure et al, since
> the
> Censorship is rather important
> in Nova Roma's government.
>

I would defer to Censor Sabinus' judgment and comment on that, with regard
to ensuring a smooth hand-off of responsibilities. I feel sure you are not
announcing that you are unsure about your ability to take on the
responsibility if elected.

You cannot elect two Censors at one time unless one is knowledgeable of the
> office. i.e., a former Censor.
> Right now, I a former Consul is best qualified due to the cursus honorum,
> but I have never been a Censor.
>

Again, I would be interested to here Sabinus' assessment with regard to
that. There are surely other remedies, such as Sabinus agreeing to serve as
a scriba censoris or in some other consultative capacity to be on-hand to
help with any issues or questions that may arise?


> If I was consul in 2011 i'd issue an edictum allowing the extension of the
> current Censors office to maintain the overlap, and the 2012 consuls
> simply
> confirm this.
>

The problem is that would not be legal. Right now the current consuls are
authorized by the SCU for elections to temporarily suspend parts of the
constitution during 2011 elections, by issuing consular edicta to
accommodate the implementation of a new electronic voting system during
these elections. The SCU expires on 31 Dec. 2011. Any edicta the current
consuls issue will also expire with their term of office. The new consuls
will not have the authority of the expired SCU to issue a new edict to
uphold that of the previous consuls, according to Lex Arminia de ratione
edictorum. There is no concept in NR law of "confirming" the edicta of a
previous magistrate, other than by issuing a new edictum reiterating the
same terms.


> The whole concept of the edict is for this very reason. Extraordinary
> circumstances in Nova Roma that were not foreseen by the Founders yet must
> be
> dealt with.
>

The point is that the reappointment of a magistrate beyond the limits of
the term of office is not constitutional. Magisterial edicta are not
ordinarily intended to overturn the constitution. Only in extraordinary
circumstances may this be allowed by an SCU. In 2012 there will be no such
SCU in place. We should not mistake the exception for the rule - which is
one of the reasons so many are disturbed by the tendency in the recent past
to resort to "rule-by-SCU".

Vale et valete,

Volusus


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SALVE ET SALVETE!


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From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Candidacy for consul


<I would like to see more and more support for local activity in NR. I have
seen how the level of activity of a governor within a province can
dramatically effect the level of activity in the province. I have also seen
that NR can be at its best when we are meeting in real life, not just
online. Face-to-face meetings need encouragement, and I would like to see
the creation of more "bottom-up" culture in NR rather than "top-down." By
this I mean that innovation at the local level, preferably face-to-face
offline, needs to have more recognition for its role in creating local Nova
Roman cultures that are part of our republic as a whole, rather than
emphasizing the centralized culture of the Main List. Nova Roma should be
the creation-in-progress of Romans meeting together in local communities,
not just handed down from on high by the consuls.>>>

I want to thank you first for presenting your statement. Will help our voters to make their mind.

The support for local activities is a concept brought in attention with every elections occasion. Until now, unfortunately, that attention last only during the elections time. Then noting is happen.
With the hope of a change, may I ask if you have something practical in your mind, something more specific and effective in supporting local activities as: financial help, web promotion, assistance, Latin translations for what is need, promotional products sponsored by the State, presence of a NR central government representative to the event and so on.

VALE ET VALETE,
Sabinus 

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Salve Sabine!

The support for local activities is a concept brought in attention with

> every elections occasion. Until now, unfortunately, that attention last
> only during the elections time. Then noting is happen.
> With the hope of a change, may I ask if you have something practical in
> your mind, something more specific and effective in supporting local
> activities as: financial help, web promotion, assistance, Latin
> translations for what is need, promotional products sponsored by the State,
> presence of a NR central government representative to the event and so on.
>

Some specific ideas that I have are: to attempt to revitalize the
Sodalitas Egressus, to try to bring back the college campus outreach
program that was once attempted, and to lead by example in my home province
of America Austroccidentalis (where the governor - Q. Caecilius Metellus -
and I have been talking about programs like sponsoring regular local
meetings), and even attempting to promote a system of local cultural
programs (easier perhaps in European areas that were once Roman provinces,
but here in America I was thinking of namesakes - for example, here in the
city of Phoenix, trying to create a program of awareness of Punic-Roman
relations). So I have a few ideas :)

Thank you for your questions and comments, Sabine!

Vale!


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> A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Julio Caesari quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Caesar Dextro sal
>
> I was unaware his citizenship had expired during the census.
>
> Caesar, pray tell us how citizenship can (as you put it) expire. It can
> be resigned and it can be removed and it can be abandoned, but expired
> citizenship is something unfamiliar to me. Now assiduus status can indeed
> expire, once the year for which the taxes have been paid is over, but this
> concept with regard to citizenship as a whole is a new one.
>
>
> Since you serve in the censor's office, and appear to not be surprised by the
> fact that he is no longer a citizen, am I correct in saying you knew when he
> first posted you knew he wasn't a citizen?
>
> You are making the assumption that Petronius visits the database often, or
> that he posts to the censorial lists often, which may not be the case. The
> latter certainly is not the case.
>
>
> If so that begs the question why not simply inform me? Surely as a censorial
> scribe you have a vested interest in that? It was one of your colleagues who
> kindly let me know. As you are aware, I don't have access to the censorial
> database, unlike yourself. 
>
> And perhaps he does not use it, or use it often.
>
> If you wish to portray it as a "lot of delay", fill your boots :) I certainly
> don't intend to spend my time deluging the censor's office with the names of
> everyone who posts, but when it turns out that someone here has an expired
> citizenship - I will certainly act.
>
> Oh, you may want to provide a translation into English for non-French
> speakers.
>
> This may be surprising, but it is not only French speakers who can read
> French, which, if I am not mistaken, is one of the two national languages in
> your country. Academics in the humanities at least have to demonstrate a
> reading knowledge of French (rarely, another Romance language), and this
> language is commonly taught in high school as well as college. Petronius¹
> statement was within the understanding of a high school student enrolled in
> French I, to say nothing of anything more advanced, such as passing some
> Princeton or other examination in reading that language. In fact, it is a
> proverb, one very similar to an English one, and should not even need full
> understanding to obtain a basic comprehension thereof.
>
> I could say the same about you finally piping up. 
>
> Optime vale
>
> Optime vale et valete.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jean-François Arnoud <jfarnoud94@...
> <mailto:jfarnoud94%40yahoo.fr> >
> To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> "
> <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 10:46 PM
> Subject: Re : [Nova-Roma] Re: Assistance in Latin translation
>
>
>  
> C. Petronius Dexter Cn. Iulio Caesari sal.
>  
> So if he was able to post here, you did your duty after a lot of delay.
> But :  mieux vaut tard que jamais.
>  
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat a. d. IV Id. Dec. 2764
>
> ________________________________
> De : Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...
> <mailto:gn_iulius_caesar%40yahoo.com> >
> À : "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> "
> <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Envoyé le : Samedi 10 Décembre 2011 6h30
> Objet : Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Assistance in Latin translation
>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar Praetor C. Petronio Dextro sal.
>
> He will be unable to answer. He is, as it turns out, no longer a citizen of
> Nova Roma, and in accordance with the Senatus Consultum passed in 2010 which
> prevents non-citizens having access to this list, has been duly removed from
> the roll of members. I suggest you write to him directly if you wish to pursue
> this.
>
> Optime vale
>
> ________________________________
> From: petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@... <mailto:jfarnoud94%40yahoo.fr> >
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 10:06 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Assistance in Latin translation
>
>  
> C. Petronius Galerio Aureliano s.p.d.,
>
>> > Ave.  Can anyone please provide me with a translation into Classical Latin
>> for these two English phrases?
>> > "To the walking dead, we shoot you."  AND
>> > "To the walking dead, we are prepared for you."
>> > Thank you in advance.
>
> As my English is not sure, I cannot translate into Latin. For example what is
> a walking dead? Except ghosts, and perhaps in Harry Potter's books, deads are
> not walking. Or a "walking dead" is he someone who walks to his death? The
> Latin "moriturus"?
>
> If I do not understand what you say in English, I cannot translate it in
> Latin.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. IV Idus Decembres MMDCCLIX aVc
>
>
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