Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Feb 1-22, 2012

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87081 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2012-02-01
Subject: KALENDIS FEBRVARIIS - IVNONI SOSPITAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87082 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-01
Subject: KALENDIS FEBRUARIIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87083 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2012-02-01
Subject: After every Kalends, Nones, Ides, the next day is "Ater", 2/2/2012,
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87084 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: Appointment of Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87085 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: Appointment of custodes and assistants
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87086 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: a.d. III Non. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87087 From: reenbru Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: Senate Voting Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87088 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: Re: Senate Voting Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87089 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: Oath of office, Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87090 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: Re: Senate Voting Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87091 From: Sabinus Date: 2012-02-04
Subject: Oath of office - custos.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87092 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-04
Subject: prid. Non. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87093 From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Date: 2012-02-04
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87094 From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Date: 2012-02-04
Subject: Re: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87095 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: NONAE FEBRUARIIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87096 From: Gaius Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: Witness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87097 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: FW: [Explorator] explorator 14.42
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87098 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: Witnessing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87099 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: Witnessing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87100 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: Witnessing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87101 From: Clint Johnson Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: Witness Statement
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87102 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-06
Subject: post. Non. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87103 From: reenbru Date: 2012-02-06
Subject: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 1 of 4
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87104 From: reenbru Date: 2012-02-06
Subject: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of 4
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87105 From: reenbru Date: 2012-02-06
Subject: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 3 of 4
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87106 From: reenbru Date: 2012-02-06
Subject: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 4 of 4
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87107 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-06
Subject: Re: [comitia_curiata_nr] Witness Statement
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87108 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: MITHRACON: New England Conference on Mithraic Studies
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87109 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: a.d. VII Id. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87110 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: Witnessing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87111 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: Testificor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87112 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: Re: Testificor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87113 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Re: [comitia_curiata_nr] Witness Statement
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87114 From: C. Cocceius Spinula Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: Witnessing appointment
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87115 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-08
Subject: a.d. VI Id. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87116 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-09
Subject: The Senate is in session.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87117 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-09
Subject: a.d. V Id. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87118 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-10
Subject: a.d. IV Id. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87119 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-11
Subject: a.d. III Id. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87120 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Lex de Imperio C. Mariae Caecae aedilis curulis MMDCCLXV a.u.c.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87121 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: prid. Id. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87122 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Re: Lex de Imperio C. Mariae Caecae aedilis curulis MMDCCLXV a.u.c.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87123 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM 1.a: Senate committees - establishment and s
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87124 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: "ITEM I.b Provinces of Activity - ensuring continuity of policy deci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87125 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: "ITEM 1.c: Proposal to create Decuria or viri legibus scribendis"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87126 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: "ITEM II.a: Sarmatia"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87127 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors - prorogations and appointme
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87128 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM II.c: Provinces - future nature and structur
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87129 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM II.d: Division of Nova Britannia into two pr
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87130 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM III.a: Tax rate formula - amendment to curre
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87131 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM III.b: Tax rate 2012 / 2013"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87132 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM III.c: Validation of payments - CFO requirem
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87133 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Re: Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors - prorogations and appoi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87134 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: ITEM IV: Nova Roma reborn plan
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87135 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: ITEM V.a: Nova Roma seal - proposal to adopt a seal for use on docum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87136 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Re: Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors - prorogations and appoi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87137 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM VI.a: Magna Mater fund - transfer of Nova Ro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87138 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM VI.b: Existing Articles of Incorporation iss
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87139 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.b: Nova Roma flags - proposal for producti
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87140 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Addition to Agenda - Item I.e
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87141 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Additional Agenda item - 1.d. re provocatio committee
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87142 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Item I.f: Conflicts of interest between BoD members of competing o
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87143 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-13
Subject: IDUS FEBRUARIIS - THE PARENTALIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87144 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2012-02-13
Subject: Re: Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors - prorogations and appoi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87145 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-14
Subject: Latin Jokes with English Translations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87146 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-14
Subject: a.d. XVI Kal. Mar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87147 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-14
Subject: Appointment of scribes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87148 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-14
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Latin Jokes with English Translations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87149 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-15
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Latin Jokes with English Translations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87150 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-15
Subject: Classic Poetry, Prose, Proems, Literature Excerpts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87152 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-15
Subject: a.d. XV Kal. Mar. - THE LUPERCALIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87153 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-16
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Latin Jokes with English Translations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87154 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-16
Subject: a.d. XIV Kal. Mar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87155 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-17
Subject: a.d. XIII Kal. Mar, - THE QUIRINALIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87156 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87157 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: a.d. XII Kal. Mar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87158 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87159 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87160 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87161 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: Call to Factios!!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87162 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87163 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-02-19
Subject: Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87164 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-19
Subject: Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87165 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-19
Subject: a.d. .XI Kal. Mar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87166 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-19
Subject: Contest announcement: Ludi Novi Romani
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87167 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-02-19
Subject: Re: Call to Factios!!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87168 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-19
Subject: Re: Call to Factios!!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87169 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Pages missing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87170 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87171 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87172 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87173 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87174 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: a.d. X Kal. Mar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87175 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87176 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87177 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87178 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87179 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87180 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87181 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87182 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87183 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87184 From: Robert Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87185 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 3 of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87186 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87187 From: Robert Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87188 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 4 of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87189 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87190 From: Robert Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87191 From: Robert Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87192 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: "ITEM 1.c: Proposal to create Decuria or viri legibus scribendis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87193 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: "ITEM II.a: Sarmatia"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87194 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senatus Consultum "ITEM III.a: Tax rate formula - amendment to c
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87195 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors - prorogations and appoi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87196 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.b: Nova Roma flags - proposal for prod
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87197 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87198 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.b: Nova Roma flags - proposal for prod
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87199 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Nova Roma means the world to me. Someone's got to do it. Appreciated
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87200 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.b: Nova Roma flags - proposal for prod
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87202 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: a.d. IX Kal. Mar. - THE FERALIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87203 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Observance of the Feralia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87204 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87205 From: Robert Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87206 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 3 of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87207 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Joke re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You?.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87208 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87209 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: Joke re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You?.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87210 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: Joke re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You?.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87211 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: Joke re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You?.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87212 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87213 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87214 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87215 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87216 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87217 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87218 From: Yehya Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87219 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87220 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87221 From: Radakia Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma means the world to me. Someone's got to do it. Appreci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87222 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87223 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87224 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87225 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87226 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87227 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87228 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87229 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87230 From: Robert Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87231 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87232 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87233 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87234 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87235 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87236 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87237 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma means the world to me. Someone's got to do it. Appreci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87238 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87239 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87240 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Mento's idea ...hmmm ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87241 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Mento's idea ...hmmm ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87242 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87243 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Ring etc
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87244 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87245 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87246 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87247 From: Yehya Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Mento's idea ...hmmm ...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87248 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87249 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87250 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87251 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87252 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87253 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87254 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87255 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87256 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87257 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: a.d. VIII Kal. Mar. - THE CARISTIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87258 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87081 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2012-02-01
Subject: KALENDIS FEBRVARIIS - IVNONI SOSPITAE
C. Petronius Dexter Pontifex Maximus omnibus Quiritibus salutem dicit plurimam,

Today morning, capite velato, I have invoked Iuno Covella by saying
the traditional formula:

"Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella"
"Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella"
"Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella"
"Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella"
"Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella"

I offered incense and saying prayers I asked the Goddess to be favorable toward
us, the Quirites of Nova Roma.

This month being a February month of a leap year, the
nundinal letter "D", after the 24 Feb. will be "C".

The festivals to be celebrated in the month of Februarius shall be:

1 H Kal. Feb. N Iunoni Sospitae
2 A a.d. IV Non. Feb. N Ater
3 B a.d. III Non. Feb. N
4 C pr. Non. Feb. N
5 D Non. Feb. N Concordiae in Capitolio Nundina
6 E a.d. VIII Id. Feb. N Ater
7 F a.d. VII Id. Feb. N Feriae Sementivae
8 G a.d. VI Id Feb. N
9 H a.d. V Id. Feb. N
10 A a.d. IV Id. Feb. N
11 B a.d. III Id. Feb. N
12 C pr. Id. Feb. N
13 D Id. Feb. NP Religiosus, Feriae Iovi, Virg. Vest. parent., Nundina
14 E a.d. XVI Kal. Mar. N Ater
15 F a.d. XV Kal. Mar. NP Religiosus, Lupercalia
16 G a.d. XIV Kal. Mar. EN Religiosus
17 H a.d. XIII Kal. Mar. NP Religiosus, Quirinalia
18 A a.d. XII Kal. Mar. C Religiosus
19 B a.d. XI Kal. Mar. C Religiosus
20 C a.d. X Kal. Mar. C Religiosus
21 D a.d. IX Kal. Mar. F Religiosus, Feralia, Nundina
22 E a.d. VIII Kal. Mar. C
23 F a.d. VII Kal. Mar. NP Terminalia
24 G a.d. bisVI Kal. Mar. N
25 G a.d. VI Kal. Mar. N Regifugium
26 H a.d. V Kal. Mar. C
27 A a.d. IV Kal. Mar. EN
28 B a.d. III Kal. Mar. NP Equirria
29 C pr. Kal. Mar. C Fornacalia, Nundina
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I poured a libation of milk thanking to the Goddess for Her benevolence.

Optime valete.

--
C. Petronius Dexter
Pontifex Maximus
Arcoiali scribebat
Kalendis Februariis Cn. Iulio C. Tullio coss.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87082 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-01
Subject: KALENDIS FEBRUARIIS
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est Kalendis Februariis; hic dies nefastus publicus est.


"His [Numa Pompilius'] regulations, moreover, that tended to inspire
frugality and moderation in the life of the individual citizen and to
create a passion for justice, which preserves the harmony of the
State, were exceedingly numerous, some of them being comprehended in
written laws, and others not written down by embodied in custom and
long usage. To treat of all these would be a difficult task; but
mention of the two of them which have been most frequently cited will
suffice to give evidence of the rest. First, to the end that people
should be content with what they had and should not covet what
belonged to others, there was the law that appointed boundaries to
every man's possessions. For, having ordered every one to draw a line
around his own land and to place stones on the bounds, he consecrated
these stones to Jupiter Terminalis and ordained that all should
assemble at the place every year on a fixed day and offer sacrifices
to them; and he made the festival in honour of these gods of
boundaries among the most dignified of all. This festival the Romans
call Terminalia, from the boundaries, and the boundaries themselves,
by the change of one letter as compared with our language, they call
termines. He also enacted that, if any person demolished or displaced
these boundary stones he should be looked upon as devoted to the god,
to the end that anyone who wished might kill him a sacrilegious person
with impunity and without incurring any stain of guilt. He
established this law with reference not only to private possessions
but also to those belonging to the public; for he marked these also
with boundary stones, to the end that the gods of boundaries might
distinguish the lands of the Romans from those of their neighbours,
and the public lands from such as belonged to private persons.
Memorials of this custom are observed by the Romans down to our times,
purely as a religious form. For they look upon these boundary stones
as gods and sacrifice to them yearly, offering up no kind of animal
(for it is not lawful to stain these stones with blood), but cakes
made of cereals and other first-fruits of the earth. But they ought
still to observe the motive, as well, which led Numa to regard these
boundary stones as gods and content themselves with their own
possessions without appropriating those of others either by violence
or by fraud; whereas now there are some who, in disregard of what is
best and of the example of their ancestors, instead of distinguishing
that which is theirs from that which belongs to others, set as bounds
to their possessions, not the law, but their greed to possess
everything, — which is disgraceful behaviour. But we leave the
considerations of these matters to others." - Dionysius of
Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" 2.74


"At the start of the month they say that Juno the Saviour (Sospita),
Neighbouring the Phrygian Mother, was honoured with new shrines.
If you ask where those temples, dedicated to the goddess
On the Kalends, are now, they are fallen with the lapse of time.
All the rest would have similarly fallen in ruins,
But for the far-sighted concern of our sacred Leader,
Under whose rule the shrines are untouched by age:
Not satisfied with mere men, he also serves the gods.
Pious one, you who build and repair the temples,
May there be mutual care between you and the gods!
May the gods grant you the length of years you grant them,
And may they stand on guard before your house!
On this day too the grove of Alernus is crowded,
Near where Tiber, from afar, meets the ocean waves.
At Numa's sanctuary, and the Thunderer's on the Capitol,
And on the summit of Jove's citadel, a sheep is sacrificed.
Often the sky, covered with cloud, rains heavily,
Or the earth is hidden under a blanket of snow." - Ovid, Fasti II

February is dedicated to the god Mars and to His mother, Iuno (as Iuno
Sospita). The name Februarius, the modern February, is probably
derived from the Latin word februum, religious purification, or from
februa, instruments of purification, or perhaps from the name of the
obscure Etruscan deity Februus. He originally belonged to the Sabine
people of the Apennines. The Etruscans were also very keen on him, but
he was borrowed by the conquering Romans who were looking for a decent
purifying God to help with the spring-cleaning. Most of the festival
days in February are days of solemn religious observance, dedicated to
honoring and propitiating the spirits of the ancestors. February is a
month in which particular reverence was shown to the spirits of
deceased ancestors. In a familiar cultural dichotomy in which both
death and life were celebrated, this was a month devoted to fertility,
both of men and women, and of the land. Many of the rites had vestiges
of agricultural overtones. It may be more than coincidence that the
dead, who were either buried or considered to be in the "underworld",
and the fruits of agriculture, both relate to the earth.


Valete bene,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87083 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2012-02-01
Subject: After every Kalends, Nones, Ides, the next day is "Ater", 2/2/2012,
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   After every Kalends, Nones, Ides, the next day is "Ater"
 
Date:   Thursday February 2, 2012
Time:   All Day
Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
Notes:   Ater (unlucky)
*Gods or Goddesses should not be invoked by name while indoors, and no celestial God or Goddess should be invoked by name while outdoors.
*Sacrifices should not be made, even at the lararium.
*These days are ill-omened to begin any new project since any new project would necessarily begin by performing a rite calling for the assistance of the gods. Such religious rites, beginning something new, are not to be performed.
*Avoid making journeys, or doing anything risky.
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87084 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: Appointment of Curule Aedile
Cn. Iulius Caesar consul sal.

EX OFFICIO

In the Senate session held between 16th and 31st January 2765 the following Senatus consultum was passed.

SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE APPOINTMENT OF CURULE AEDILE

I. In recognition of the forthcoming ludi that need to be celebrated, and due to only two candidates having stood for those magistracies for the year 2764 A.U.C and there being, as a result, no unsuccessful candidates to draw from, and due to the constitutional provision for dealing with a mid-term vacancy not applying, and due to the absence of candidates offering themselves for election as Curule aedile for this year, and as there is no legal impediment or prohibition to prevent this, the Senate appoints Gaia Maria Caeca as Curule aedile to serve out the remainder of this year, 2765 A.U.C., in that position.

II. Gaia Maria Caeca shall have all the honors, powers, and obligations of Curule aedile as at IV.A.4 of the Constitution of Nova Roma, as though she had been elected to this position.

III. Gaia Maria Caeca shall be required to take the oath of office as required by the lex Iunia de iusiurando

IV. In accordance with III.A.1 of the Constitution of Nova Roma Gaia Maria Caeca will require the comitia curiata to witness her appointment before she can exercise the rights and powers of imperium.

Optime valete



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87085 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: Appointment of custodes and assistants
Cn. Iulius Caesar consul sal.

EX OFFICIO

In the Senate session held between 16th and 31st January 2765 the following Senatus consultum was passed.

SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE APPOINTMENT OF CUSTODES AND ASSISTANTS

I. In recognition of the absence of candidates offering themselves for election for custos for this year, and as the provision at section V of the Lex Equitia de vigintisexviris appears concerned with filling a mid-term vacancy, the Senate appoints as custos, each to serve out the remainder of this year 2765 A.U.C.

1. Titus Iulius Sabinus
2. Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus

II. Titus Iulius Sabinus and Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus shall have all the honors, powers, and obligations of custos as II.D of the Lex Equitia de vigintisexviris, as though they had been elected to this position.

III. Titus Iulius Sabinus and Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus shall be required to take the oath of office as required by the lex Iunia de iusiurando.

IV. The Senate appoints Aulus Liburnius Hadrianus and Vibius Valerius Volusus to act as assistants to Titus Iulius Sabinus and Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus and to act as their deputy should one or both be unavailable at anytime during the course of any voting that requires use of the cista. No oath shall be required of them.

V. Should either of the assistants also be presiding magistrate of a comitia when a vote is being held, that assistant shall recuse themselves from the role of assistant and his position on the Nova Roman cista account at votingplace.net shall be filled by the other assistant.

VI. Other than in the circumstances at section V, the custodes shall decide which of the assistants is assigned to the cista account.

Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87086 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: a.d. III Non. Feb.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem III Nonas Februarius; hic dies nefastus est.


"Many military exploits are related of him, but the greatest are those
which I shall now narrate, beginning with the war against the Albans.
The man responsible for the quarrel between the two cities and the
severing of their bond of kinship was an Alban named Cluilius, who had
been honoured with the chief magistracy; this man, vexed at the
prosperity of the Romans and unable to contain his envy, and being by
nature headstrong and somewhat inclined to madness, resolved to
involve the cities in war with each other. But not seeing how he
could persuade the Albans to permit him to lead an army against the
Romans without just and urgent reasons, he contrived a plan of the
following sort: he permitted the poorest and boldest of the Albans to
pillage the fields of the Romans, promising them immunity, and so
caused many to overrun the neighbouring territory in a series of
plundering raids, as they would now be pursuing without danger gains
from which they would never desist even under the constraint of fear.
In doing this he was following a very natural line of reasoning, as
the event bore witness. For he assumed that the Romans would not
submit to being plundered but would rush to arms, and he would thus
have an opportunity of accusing them to his people as the aggressors
in the war; and he also believed that the majority of the Albans,
envying the prosperity of their colony, would gladly listen to these
false accusations and would begin war against the Romans. And that is
just what happened. For when the worst elements of each city fell to
robbing and plundering each other and at last a Roman army made an
incursion into the territory of the Albans and killed or took prisoner
many of the bandits, Cluilius assembled the people and inveighed
against the Romans at great length, showed them many who were wounded,
produced the relations of those who had been seized or slain, and at
the same time added other circumstances of his own invention;
whereupon it was voted on his motion to send an embassy first of all
to demand satisfaction for what had happened, and then, if the Romans
refused it, to begin war against them." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus,
Roman Antiquities 3.2



"Trembling with fear, Arion said: `I don't plead for life,
But let me take up my lyre and play a little.'
They granted it, laughing at the delay. He took the wreath
That might have graced your tresses, Phoebus:
Put on his robe, twice-stained with Tyrian purple:
And, plucked by his thumb, the strings gave out their music,
Such a melody as the swan's mournful measures,
When the cruel shaft has transfixed its brow.
At once, he plunged, fully clothed into the waves:
The water, leaping, splashed the sky-blue stern.
Then (beyond belief) they say a dolphin
Yielded its back to the unaccustomed weight.
Sitting there, Arion gripped the lyre, and paid his fare
In song, soothing the ocean waves with his singing.
The gods see good deeds: Jupiter took the dolphin
And ordered its constellation to contain nine stars." - Ovid, Fasti
II: 3 February

"Then was there heard a most celestial sound
Of dainty music which did next ensue,
And, on the floating waters as enthroned,
Arion with his harp unto him drew
The ears and hearts of all that goodly crew;
Even when as yet the dolphin which him bore
Through the Aegean Seas from pirates' view,
Stood still, by him astonished at his love,
And all the raging seas for joy forgot to roar." - Edmund Spenser

Arion was a musician from the court of King Periander of Corinth;
sources indicate that the two may have also been lovers. Against
Periander's wishes, Arion decided to enter a musical contest in
Sicily. He won, and was returning home by ship with his prize, when
the sailors on the ship decided that they could put his winnings to
better use than he could. Afraid of the wrath of Periander, however,
they were reluctant to actually kill him; instead, they ordered him to
jump off the ship in the middle of the ocean. His last request was to
play his lyre before he leaped to a watery grave, and the sailors
allowed it.

Arion's playing was the most beautiful music ever heard on earth, in
heaven, or under the earth; it was so beautiful that it drew a school
of dolphins to the side of the ship, and they leapt and played in the
ship's wake. Upon finishing, Arion threw himself overboard --- only
to be picked up by a dolphin and carried, on its back, to safety. He
made it back to Corinth and Periander, the sailors' wickedness was
exposed (they were banished forever), and the dolphin was rewarded by
being placed among the celestial bodies by Iuppiter to mark its
kindness forever.

"Arion the Immortal" is also a character from DC Comics, but has
little or no relation to the Arion of the Greek story, as far as I know.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87087 From: reenbru Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: Senate Voting Results
Aulus Liburnius Hadrianus Tribunus Plebis Quiritibus SPD
Senate Voting Results published on 2/3/2012

Formal debate ended on 27-JAN-2012 at 07:19 PM Roman time. Voting began
immediately afterwards and ended on 31-JAN-2012 at 05:23 PM Roman time.
Results were officially published by the presiding magistrate Consul Cn.
Iulius Caesar on the Senate list on (31-JAN-2-12).

The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been
tallied as follows:

The following 17 Senators cast votes in time. They are referred to below
by their initials and are listed in alphabetical order by nomen:

M. Cassius Julianus (MCJ)
Sta. Cornelia Aeterna (SCA)
M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus (MCGG)
L. Cornelius Sulla (LCS)
C. Equitius Cato (CEC)
Q. Fabius Maximus (QFM)
Ti. Galerius Paulinus (TGP)
Cn. Iulius Caesar (CnIC)
T. Iulius Sabinus (TIS)
D. Iunius Palladius (DIP)
M. Minucius Audens (MMA)
C. Petronius Dexter (CPD)
G. Popilius Laena (GPL)
Q. Suetonius Paulinus (QSP)
A. Tullia Scholastica (ATS)
G. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus (GTVG)
G. Vipsianus Agrippa GVA)

The following 2 Senators did not cast a vote or did not cast a vote on
time and absence was not announced or justified in line with the Senatus
Consultum on Defining a Quorum and the LEX OCTAVIA DE SENATORIBUS:

***P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator (PUSV)***
***L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur (LECA)***

Therefore, the necessary majority for a Senatus Consultum was 9 votes in
favor.
"UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote
against, and "ABSTINEO" is an open abstention.

The items for consideration were as follows:
Agenda

A) Item 1a: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) AUTHORIZED SIGNERS
C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS
*DIP* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS - I trust that the inclusion of the two gentlemen
listed alone in item 5 has something to do with their existing
authorizations.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to note that I share Senator Paulinus'
concern that some things would have been better voted upon as individual
items, but I recognize the tremendous job my colleague did in preparing
this agenda, and the concern is a minor one.
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS


A) Item 1b: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) CFO
C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I worked with L. Cornelius and know he paid
attention with seriousness to the job.
*DIP* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS - I absolutely trust in L. Cornelius Felix for this
office.
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS - I trust that the inclusion of the two gentlemen
listed alone in item 5 has something to do with their existing
authorizations.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS


A) Item 1c: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) DISBURSEMENTS
C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS
*DIP* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS


A) Item 1d: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
B) REMISSION OF TAX LUCIUS CINCINNATUS
C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS - This "tax" should never have been put in place and
must be removed in order for there to be any kind of fair resolution to
this past situation.
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS - I agree this is the right thing to do and welcome
back Cincinnatus.
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS - Hopefully this puts an end to a sad chapter of Nova
Roma's history and rights the wrong to L Equitius at the hands of Nova
Roman magistrates.
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS - Good thing we can have the opportunity tp correct
this erorr L Equitius from previousof Nova Roman magistrates.
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I join to all who want to end this chapter from the
NR past.
*DIP* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - ANTI QUO - The Senate is not the re-writer of the past. Let's
the historians do that job. L. Equitius Cincinnatus did not want to
defend himself against a trial. It was his right. It is not the job of
the Senate to endorse those who judge something unfair, without any
public trial, by their own.
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS Uti rogas, though the language in the first section is
rather inflammatory and hardly appropriate for a legal document. I
welcome Cincinnatus back to us, and hope that he will resume his more
active role in Nova Roma, including his flaminate.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS


A) Item 2: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I hope for new host as time the current one is
expensive and not professional.
*DIP* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS - though I would be more comfortable with the title of
the office being used rather than the name of the person.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS


A) Item 3: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) IT TASK FORCE
C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS - If I may be permitted: We need a functional website
that can be made secure. We don't need Latin sound effects the score of
Gladiator or even Ben Hur as some people have said over the years. The
attraction of Nova Roma is Nova Roma itself. We do not need bells and
whistles on our website. Recall what a famous Roman Censor once spoke.
Look to Greece for frivolity and in decision, look to Rome for sober
consideration and people who fellow the Law."
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
*DIP* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS


A) Item 4: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
B) BUDGET 2765
C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
*DIP* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - ANTI QUO. - This budget is in deficit, even if fortunately some
funds permit to prevent the entire bankruptcy of Nova Roma. The result
is that this SC estimates a loss (net income) of $1715,00. This
projection of less money this year in comparison with the last year is
not ambitious.
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS


A) Item 6b: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
B) CURULE AEDILE
C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS - My congrats to C. Maria Caeca, appointment well
deserved.
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS. - I see this item as a basic solution and a
compromise to have games this year and through them, religious
festivities. In normal circumstances, the right to decide was of
comitia. When it comes about the appointed person, I know C. Maria
deserve the trust and will perform with honor her duties.
*DIP* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - ANTI QUO - We have to appoint a couple of Aediles curules. I
recall that the magistracies are collegial, at least with 2 members or
elected or appointed.
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS - et libentissime. Caeca will make a fine curule
aedile
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

A) Item 6c: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) APPOINTMENT OF CUSTODES AND ASSISTANTS
C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS - It is a necessary compromise to have a working
voting platform for this year.
*DIP* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS


A) Item 8: [passed - 12 in favor, 5 opposing]
B) SENATE RULES
C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - ANTI QUO - The definition of "Senator" includes those who are
not actual senators yet are in the Senate with voting privileges due to
ex-magistracy or other terms of the lex Popillia. Our own law recognizes
that these voting privileges do not make them senators.
*QFM* - ANTI QUO - I realize I'm the sole dissenting voice here, but the
Vedian constitution does not define a Senator as someone with voting
privileges in the Senate. The fact that a Lex was passed that does is
not true to spirit of Nova Roma or the founders' wishes. The argument
that this law served to keep Censors from remaking the Senate is
specious. Not only did it fail, but now it is no longer needed and some
better needs to replace such a confusing law.
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS - I wish we had been able to vote on some of this as
individual items. As I have expressed to the Consul I am of the opinion
that the Censors or at least most Censors can be trusted to moderate the
Senate list. I have also expressed to him that while the Plebian vs
Patrician ranking was real in Rome it is not in Nova Roma. Given the
chance to vote individually I would have voted no on these few items.
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - ANTI QUO - In my opinion many rules it means many
interpretations and indirectly many complications.
*DIP* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - ANTI QUO - For the same reasons as the honorable senator C.
Equitius Cato did and because the 2/3rd of the senate in the
Constitution have changed with the Lex Popilia Senatoria without the
process expected for any change of the Constitution. And this rules give
a carte-blanche to an interpretation of the Lex Popillia senatoria in
contradiction with the Constitution. I recall the 3 pilars of our res
publica: Auctoritas (The Senate meeting and ordering by consulta),
Libertas (People voting in the Comitia), Potestas (The magistrates
acting through their edicts). These Senate rules make a confusion with
Auctoritas and Potestas. That is another step for a Senate weakening
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - ANTI QUO - There are, of course, many fine points here even
though the KISS principle has never come within a country mile of this
document. However, the restrictions on the censores (despite being
owners of the Senate list, and therefore entitled to privileges this
would remove) and such matters as the definition of Senators as having
been appointed by the Lex Popillia when I suspect that the membership of
some members of this body preceded this legislation are among points
which govern my rejection of this item.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to note that I share Senator Paulinus'
concern that some things would have been better voted upon as individual
items, but I recognize the tremendous job my colleague did in preparing
this agenda, and the concern is a minor one.
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS


A) Item 9: [passed - 12 in favor, 5 opposing]
B) ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION AMENDMENT
C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - ANTI QUO - (Section 4) I do not believe that non-senators should
be included in the Album Senatorum, regardless of what past practice has
been. I believe that the Album Senatorum should properly consist of
senators and senators alone. (Section 5) Since there is a question as to
whether or not the lex Popillia should be repealed, including it in our
Articles of Incorporation is a problem. In addition, I do not believe
that our Articles of Incorporation should *ever* include reference to
specific internal leges, as the repeal of any such leges would require
the re-writing of the Articles of Incorporation to remove mention of
them.
*QFM* - ANTI QUO - This needs more work. It needs to be rewritten and
brought before the house once again.
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS - I wish we had been able to vote on some of this as
individual items. As I have expressed to the Consul I am of the opinion
that the Censors or at least most Censors can be trusted to moderate the
Senate list. I have also expressed to him that while the Plebian vs
Patrician ranking was real in Rome it is not in Nova Roma. Given the
chance to vote individually I would have voted no on these few items.
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - ANTI QUO - This item purpose was not concluded yet.
*DIP* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - ANTI QUO - The SC make an interpretation of the lex Popillia
Senatoria about the number of senators with the number of members who
may vote in the Senate meetings
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - ANTI QUO - I agree with Senatores Cato and Dexter on this. In
addition, the first point is rather peculiar: How are we to obtain this
number? Are we to multiply the number of senators by the number of
magistrates? Are we to add them? Product typically signifies
multiplication... Moreover, some of the definitions seem rather
circular: one is a Senator is one is in the Album Senatorium [which
likely can be altered by anyone with access]. Perhaps this does need
improvement, and resubmission at a later date.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS


A) Item 11: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) PROVOCATIO COMMITTEE
C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS - Since wrote a paper on this very subject for my
Roman Jurisprudence class I am in a unique
position to aid a committee
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS
*DIP* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to see a greater diversity in
perspectives than seem to be present in this group, however.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS


A) Item 12: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
B) DERIVING MEANING
C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS
*DIP* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - ANTI QUO - Although it is a good idea to have standard
references, this seems to me rather heavy-handed. With luck, we won't
have to define the various forms of the English word corresponding to
the Latin esse [to be] or anything similar.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

Please do not hesitate to point to my attention any error I may have
made.

Valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87088 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: Re: Senate Voting Results
Ave Tribune,

You might want to do a spell check or a draft to the Senate first.

G. Popilius Laena (GPL) - he is actually a man. - it should be Laenas
You got Aeterna and it should be Aeternia.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:57 PM, reenbru <reenbru@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> Aulus Liburnius Hadrianus Tribunus Plebis Quiritibus SPD
> Senate Voting Results published on 2/3/2012
>
> Formal debate ended on 27-JAN-2012 at 07:19 PM Roman time. Voting began
> immediately afterwards and ended on 31-JAN-2012 at 05:23 PM Roman time.
> Results were officially published by the presiding magistrate Consul Cn.
> Iulius Caesar on the Senate list on (31-JAN-2-12).
>
> The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been
> tallied as follows:
>
> The following 17 Senators cast votes in time. They are referred to below
> by their initials and are listed in alphabetical order by nomen:
>
> M. Cassius Julianus (MCJ)
> Sta. Cornelia Aeterna (SCA)
> M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus (MCGG)
> L. Cornelius Sulla (LCS)
> C. Equitius Cato (CEC)
> Q. Fabius Maximus (QFM)
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus (TGP)
> Cn. Iulius Caesar (CnIC)
> T. Iulius Sabinus (TIS)
> D. Iunius Palladius (DIP)
> M. Minucius Audens (MMA)
> C. Petronius Dexter (CPD)
> G. Popilius Laena (GPL)
> Q. Suetonius Paulinus (QSP)
> A. Tullia Scholastica (ATS)
> G. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus (GTVG)
> G. Vipsianus Agrippa GVA)
>
> The following 2 Senators did not cast a vote or did not cast a vote on
> time and absence was not announced or justified in line with the Senatus
> Consultum on Defining a Quorum and the LEX OCTAVIA DE SENATORIBUS:
>
> ***P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator (PUSV)***
> ***L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur (LECA)***
>
> Therefore, the necessary majority for a Senatus Consultum was 9 votes in
> favor.
> "UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote
> against, and "ABSTINEO" is an open abstention.
>
> The items for consideration were as follows:
> Agenda
>
> A) Item 1a: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) AUTHORIZED SIGNERS
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - I trust that the inclusion of the two gentlemen
> listed alone in item 5 has something to do with their existing
> authorizations.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to note that I share Senator Paulinus'
> concern that some things would have been better voted upon as individual
> items, but I recognize the tremendous job my colleague did in preparing
> this agenda, and the concern is a minor one.
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 1b: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) CFO
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I worked with L. Cornelius and know he paid
> attention with seriousness to the job.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS - I absolutely trust in L. Cornelius Felix for this
> office.
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - I trust that the inclusion of the two gentlemen
> listed alone in item 5 has something to do with their existing
> authorizations.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 1c: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) DISBURSEMENTS
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 1d: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> B) REMISSION OF TAX LUCIUS CINCINNATUS
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS - This "tax" should never have been put in place and
> must be removed in order for there to be any kind of fair resolution to
> this past situation.
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS - I agree this is the right thing to do and welcome
> back Cincinnatus.
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - Hopefully this puts an end to a sad chapter of Nova
> Roma's history and rights the wrong to L Equitius at the hands of Nova
> Roman magistrates.
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS - Good thing we can have the opportunity tp correct
> this erorr L Equitius from previousof Nova Roman magistrates.
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I join to all who want to end this chapter from the
> NR past.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTI QUO - The Senate is not the re-writer of the past. Let's
> the historians do that job. L. Equitius Cincinnatus did not want to
> defend himself against a trial. It was his right. It is not the job of
> the Senate to endorse those who judge something unfair, without any
> public trial, by their own.
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS Uti rogas, though the language in the first section is
> rather inflammatory and hardly appropriate for a legal document. I
> welcome Cincinnatus back to us, and hope that he will resume his more
> active role in Nova Roma, including his flaminate.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 2: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I hope for new host as time the current one is
> expensive and not professional.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - though I would be more comfortable with the title of
> the office being used rather than the name of the person.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 3: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) IT TASK FORCE
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - If I may be permitted: We need a functional website
> that can be made secure. We don't need Latin sound effects the score of
> Gladiator or even Ben Hur as some people have said over the years. The
> attraction of Nova Roma is Nova Roma itself. We do not need bells and
> whistles on our website. Recall what a famous Roman Censor once spoke.
> Look to Greece for frivolity and in decision, look to Rome for sober
> consideration and people who fellow the Law."
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 4: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> B) BUDGET 2765
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTI QUO. - This budget is in deficit, even if fortunately some
> funds permit to prevent the entire bankruptcy of Nova Roma. The result
> is that this SC estimates a loss (net income) of $1715,00. This
> projection of less money this year in comparison with the last year is
> not ambitious.
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 6b: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> B) CURULE AEDILE
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS - My congrats to C. Maria Caeca, appointment well
> deserved.
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS. - I see this item as a basic solution and a
> compromise to have games this year and through them, religious
> festivities. In normal circumstances, the right to decide was of
> comitia. When it comes about the appointed person, I know C. Maria
> deserve the trust and will perform with honor her duties.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTI QUO - We have to appoint a couple of Aediles curules. I
> recall that the magistracies are collegial, at least with 2 members or
> elected or appointed.
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - et libentissime. Caeca will make a fine curule
> aedile
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 6c: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) APPOINTMENT OF CUSTODES AND ASSISTANTS
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - It is a necessary compromise to have a working
> voting platform for this year.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 8: [passed - 12 in favor, 5 opposing]
> B) SENATE RULES
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - ANTI QUO - The definition of "Senator" includes those who are
> not actual senators yet are in the Senate with voting privileges due to
> ex-magistracy or other terms of the lex Popillia. Our own law recognizes
> that these voting privileges do not make them senators.
> *QFM* - ANTI QUO - I realize I'm the sole dissenting voice here, but the
> Vedian constitution does not define a Senator as someone with voting
> privileges in the Senate. The fact that a Lex was passed that does is
> not true to spirit of Nova Roma or the founders' wishes. The argument
> that this law served to keep Censors from remaking the Senate is
> specious. Not only did it fail, but now it is no longer needed and some
> better needs to replace such a confusing law.
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS - I wish we had been able to vote on some of this as
> individual items. As I have expressed to the Consul I am of the opinion
> that the Censors or at least most Censors can be trusted to moderate the
> Senate list. I have also expressed to him that while the Plebian vs
> Patrician ranking was real in Rome it is not in Nova Roma. Given the
> chance to vote individually I would have voted no on these few items.
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - ANTI QUO - In my opinion many rules it means many
> interpretations and indirectly many complications.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTI QUO - For the same reasons as the honorable senator C.
> Equitius Cato did and because the 2/3rd of the senate in the
> Constitution have changed with the Lex Popilia Senatoria without the
> process expected for any change of the Constitution. And this rules give
> a carte-blanche to an interpretation of the Lex Popillia senatoria in
> contradiction with the Constitution. I recall the 3 pilars of our res
> publica: Auctoritas (The Senate meeting and ordering by consulta),
> Libertas (People voting in the Comitia), Potestas (The magistrates
> acting through their edicts). These Senate rules make a confusion with
> Auctoritas and Potestas. That is another step for a Senate weakening
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - ANTI QUO - There are, of course, many fine points here even
> though the KISS principle has never come within a country mile of this
> document. However, the restrictions on the censores (despite being
> owners of the Senate list, and therefore entitled to privileges this
> would remove) and such matters as the definition of Senators as having
> been appointed by the Lex Popillia when I suspect that the membership of
> some members of this body preceded this legislation are among points
> which govern my rejection of this item.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to note that I share Senator Paulinus'
> concern that some things would have been better voted upon as individual
> items, but I recognize the tremendous job my colleague did in preparing
> this agenda, and the concern is a minor one.
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 9: [passed - 12 in favor, 5 opposing]
> B) ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION AMENDMENT
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - ANTI QUO - (Section 4) I do not believe that non-senators should
> be included in the Album Senatorum, regardless of what past practice has
> been. I believe that the Album Senatorum should properly consist of
> senators and senators alone. (Section 5) Since there is a question as to
> whether or not the lex Popillia should be repealed, including it in our
> Articles of Incorporation is a problem. In addition, I do not believe
> that our Articles of Incorporation should *ever* include reference to
> specific internal leges, as the repeal of any such leges would require
> the re-writing of the Articles of Incorporation to remove mention of
> them.
> *QFM* - ANTI QUO - This needs more work. It needs to be rewritten and
> brought before the house once again.
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS - I wish we had been able to vote on some of this as
> individual items. As I have expressed to the Consul I am of the opinion
> that the Censors or at least most Censors can be trusted to moderate the
> Senate list. I have also expressed to him that while the Plebian vs
> Patrician ranking was real in Rome it is not in Nova Roma. Given the
> chance to vote individually I would have voted no on these few items.
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - ANTI QUO - This item purpose was not concluded yet.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTI QUO - The SC make an interpretation of the lex Popillia
> Senatoria about the number of senators with the number of members who
> may vote in the Senate meetings
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - ANTI QUO - I agree with Senatores Cato and Dexter on this. In
> addition, the first point is rather peculiar: How are we to obtain this
> number? Are we to multiply the number of senators by the number of
> magistrates? Are we to add them? Product typically signifies
> multiplication... Moreover, some of the definitions seem rather
> circular: one is a Senator is one is in the Album Senatorium [which
> likely can be altered by anyone with access]. Perhaps this does need
> improvement, and resubmission at a later date.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 11: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) PROVOCATIO COMMITTEE
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - Since wrote a paper on this very subject for my
> Roman Jurisprudence class I am in a unique
> position to aid a committee
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to see a greater diversity in
> perspectives than seem to be present in this group, however.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 12: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> B) DERIVING MEANING
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - ANTI QUO - Although it is a good idea to have standard
> references, this seems to me rather heavy-handed. With luck, we won't
> have to define the various forms of the English word corresponding to
> the Latin esse [to be] or anything similar.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> Please do not hesitate to point to my attention any error I may have
> made.
>
> Valete
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87089 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: Oath of office, Curule Aedile
I, Gaia Maria Caeca (Shoshana Z. Hathaway) do

hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always

in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.



As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, C. Maria Caeca (Shoshana Z. Hathaway) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my

public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private

life.



I, C. Maria Caeca (Shoshana Z. Hathaway) swear to

uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and

swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State

Religion.



I, C. Maria Caeca (Shoshana Z. Hathaway) swear

to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.



I, C. Maria Caeca (Shoshana Z. Hathaway) further

swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of

Curule Aedile to the best of my abilities.



On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and

Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the

position of Curule Aedile and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and

responsibilities attendant thereto.





Ego, Gaia Maria Caeca (Shoshana Z. Hathaway) hac

re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensuram, et semper pro populo senatuque

Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter IVRO.



Ego, C. Maria Caeca (Shoshana Z. Hathaway)

officio Curulis Aedilis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus

meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica

privataque vita me persecuturam esse IVRO.



Ego, C. Maria Caeca (Shoshana Z. Hathaway)

Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam defensuram, et numquam contra eius

statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.



Ego, C. Maria Caeca (Shoshana Z. Hathaway)

officiis muneris Curulis Aedilis me quam optime functuram esse praeterea

IVRO.



Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et

voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Curulis Aedilis una cum iuribus,

privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87090 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-03
Subject: Re: Senate Voting Results
Ave Senator,
 
 Thank you for your help.
 
Respectfully
A. Liburnius
From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Senate Voting Results

Ave Tribune,

You might want to do a spell check or a draft to the Senate first.

G. Popilius Laena (GPL)  - he is actually a man.  - it should be Laenas
You got Aeterna and it should be Aeternia.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:57 PM, reenbru <reenbru@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> Aulus Liburnius Hadrianus Tribunus Plebis Quiritibus SPD
> Senate Voting Results published on 2/3/2012
>
> Formal debate ended on 27-JAN-2012 at 07:19 PM Roman time. Voting began
> immediately afterwards and ended on 31-JAN-2012 at 05:23 PM Roman time.
> Results were officially published by the presiding magistrate Consul Cn.
> Iulius Caesar on the Senate list on (31-JAN-2-12).
>
> The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been
> tallied as follows:
>
> The following 17 Senators cast votes in time. They are referred to below
> by their initials and are listed in alphabetical order by nomen:
>
> M. Cassius Julianus (MCJ)
> Sta. Cornelia Aeterna (SCA)
> M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus (MCGG)
> L. Cornelius Sulla (LCS)
> C. Equitius Cato (CEC)
> Q. Fabius Maximus (QFM)
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus (TGP)
> Cn. Iulius Caesar (CnIC)
> T. Iulius Sabinus (TIS)
> D. Iunius Palladius (DIP)
> M. Minucius Audens (MMA)
> C. Petronius Dexter (CPD)
> G. Popilius Laena (GPL)
> Q. Suetonius Paulinus (QSP)
> A. Tullia Scholastica (ATS)
> G. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus (GTVG)
> G. Vipsianus Agrippa GVA)
>
> The following 2 Senators did not cast a vote or did not cast a vote on
> time and absence was not announced or justified in line with the Senatus
> Consultum on Defining a Quorum and the LEX OCTAVIA DE SENATORIBUS:
>
> ***P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator (PUSV)***
> ***L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur (LECA)***
>
> Therefore, the necessary majority for a Senatus Consultum was 9 votes in
> favor.
> "UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote
> against, and "ABSTINEO" is an open abstention.
>
> The items for consideration were as follows:
> Agenda
>
> A) Item 1a: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) AUTHORIZED SIGNERS
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - I trust that the inclusion of the two gentlemen
> listed alone in item 5 has something to do with their existing
> authorizations.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to note that I share Senator Paulinus'
> concern that some things would have been better voted upon as individual
> items, but I recognize the tremendous job my colleague did in preparing
> this agenda, and the concern is a minor one.
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 1b: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) CFO
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I worked with L. Cornelius and know he paid
> attention with seriousness to the job.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS - I absolutely trust in L. Cornelius Felix for this
> office.
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - I trust that the inclusion of the two gentlemen
> listed alone in item 5 has something to do with their existing
> authorizations.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 1c: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) DISBURSEMENTS
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 1d: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> B) REMISSION OF TAX LUCIUS CINCINNATUS
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS - This "tax" should never have been put in place and
> must be removed in order for there to be any kind of fair resolution to
> this past situation.
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS - I agree this is the right thing to do and welcome
> back Cincinnatus.
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - Hopefully this puts an end to a sad chapter of Nova
> Roma's history and rights the wrong to L Equitius at the hands of Nova
> Roman magistrates.
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS - Good thing we can have the opportunity tp correct
> this erorr L Equitius from previousof Nova Roman magistrates.
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I join to all who want to end this chapter from the
> NR past.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTI QUO - The Senate is not the re-writer of the past. Let's
> the historians do that job. L. Equitius Cincinnatus did not want to
> defend himself against a trial. It was his right. It is not the job of
> the Senate to endorse those who judge something unfair, without any
> public trial, by their own.
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS Uti rogas, though the language in the first section is
> rather inflammatory and hardly appropriate for a legal document. I
> welcome Cincinnatus back to us, and hope that he will resume his more
> active role in Nova Roma, including his flaminate.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 2: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I hope for new host as time the current one is
> expensive and not professional.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - though I would be more comfortable with the title of
> the office being used rather than the name of the person.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 3: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) IT TASK FORCE
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - If I may be permitted: We need a functional website
> that can be made secure. We don't need Latin sound effects the score of
> Gladiator or even Ben Hur as some people have said over the years. The
> attraction of Nova Roma is Nova Roma itself. We do not need bells and
> whistles on our website. Recall what a famous Roman Censor once spoke.
> Look to Greece for frivolity and in decision, look to Rome for sober
> consideration and people who fellow the Law."
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 4: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> B) BUDGET 2765
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTI QUO. - This budget is in deficit, even if fortunately some
> funds permit to prevent the entire bankruptcy of Nova Roma. The result
> is that this SC estimates a loss (net income) of $1715,00. This
> projection of less money this year in comparison with the last year is
> not ambitious.
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 6b: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> B) CURULE AEDILE
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS - My congrats to C. Maria Caeca, appointment well
> deserved.
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS. - I see this item as a basic solution and a
> compromise to have games this year and through them, religious
> festivities. In normal circumstances, the right to decide was of
> comitia. When it comes about the appointed person, I know C. Maria
> deserve the trust and will perform with honor her duties.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTI QUO - We have to appoint a couple of Aediles curules. I
> recall that the magistracies are collegial, at least with 2 members or
> elected or appointed.
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - et libentissime. Caeca will make a fine curule
> aedile
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 6c: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) APPOINTMENT OF CUSTODES AND ASSISTANTS
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - It is a necessary compromise to have a working
> voting platform for this year.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 8: [passed - 12 in favor, 5 opposing]
> B) SENATE RULES
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - ANTI QUO - The definition of "Senator" includes those who are
> not actual senators yet are in the Senate with voting privileges due to
> ex-magistracy or other terms of the lex Popillia. Our own law recognizes
> that these voting privileges do not make them senators.
> *QFM* - ANTI QUO - I realize I'm the sole dissenting voice here, but the
> Vedian constitution does not define a Senator as someone with voting
> privileges in the Senate. The fact that a Lex was passed that does is
> not true to spirit of Nova Roma or the founders' wishes. The argument
> that this law served to keep Censors from remaking the Senate is
> specious. Not only did it fail, but now it is no longer needed and some
> better needs to replace such a confusing law.
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS - I wish we had been able to vote on some of this as
> individual items. As I have expressed to the Consul I am of the opinion
> that the Censors or at least most Censors can be trusted to moderate the
> Senate list. I have also expressed to him that while the Plebian vs
> Patrician ranking was real in Rome it is not in Nova Roma. Given the
> chance to vote individually I would have voted no on these few items.
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - ANTI QUO - In my opinion many rules it means many
> interpretations and indirectly many complications.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTI QUO - For the same reasons as the honorable senator C.
> Equitius Cato did and because the 2/3rd of the senate in the
> Constitution have changed with the Lex Popilia Senatoria without the
> process expected for any change of the Constitution. And this rules give
> a carte-blanche to an interpretation of the Lex Popillia senatoria in
> contradiction with the Constitution. I recall the 3 pilars of our res
> publica: Auctoritas (The Senate meeting and ordering by consulta),
> Libertas (People voting in the Comitia), Potestas (The magistrates
> acting through their edicts). These Senate rules make a confusion with
> Auctoritas and Potestas. That is another step for a Senate weakening
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - ANTI QUO - There are, of course, many fine points here even
> though the KISS principle has never come within a country mile of this
> document. However, the restrictions on the censores (despite being
> owners of the Senate list, and therefore entitled to privileges this
> would remove) and such matters as the definition of Senators as having
> been appointed by the Lex Popillia when I suspect that the membership of
> some members of this body preceded this legislation are among points
> which govern my rejection of this item.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to note that I share Senator Paulinus'
> concern that some things would have been better voted upon as individual
> items, but I recognize the tremendous job my colleague did in preparing
> this agenda, and the concern is a minor one.
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 9: [passed - 12 in favor, 5 opposing]
> B) ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION AMENDMENT
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - ANTI QUO - (Section 4) I do not believe that non-senators should
> be included in the Album Senatorum, regardless of what past practice has
> been. I believe that the Album Senatorum should properly consist of
> senators and senators alone. (Section 5) Since there is a question as to
> whether or not the lex Popillia should be repealed, including it in our
> Articles of Incorporation is a problem. In addition, I do not believe
> that our Articles of Incorporation should *ever* include reference to
> specific internal leges, as the repeal of any such leges would require
> the re-writing of the Articles of Incorporation to remove mention of
> them.
> *QFM* - ANTI QUO - This needs more work. It needs to be rewritten and
> brought before the house once again.
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS - I wish we had been able to vote on some of this as
> individual items. As I have expressed to the Consul I am of the opinion
> that the Censors or at least most Censors can be trusted to moderate the
> Senate list. I have also expressed to him that while the Plebian vs
> Patrician ranking was real in Rome it is not in Nova Roma. Given the
> chance to vote individually I would have voted no on these few items.
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - ANTI QUO - This item purpose was not concluded yet.
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTI QUO - The SC make an interpretation of the lex Popillia
> Senatoria about the number of senators with the number of members who
> may vote in the Senate meetings
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - ANTI QUO - I agree with Senatores Cato and Dexter on this. In
> addition, the first point is rather peculiar: How are we to obtain this
> number? Are we to multiply the number of senators by the number of
> magistrates? Are we to add them? Product typically signifies
> multiplication... Moreover, some of the definitions seem rather
> circular: one is a Senator is one is in the Album Senatorium [which
> likely can be altered by anyone with access]. Perhaps this does need
> improvement, and resubmission at a later date.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 11: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) PROVOCATIO COMMITTEE
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - Since wrote a paper on this very subject for my
> Roman Jurisprudence class I am in a unique
> position to aid a committee
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to see a greater diversity in
> perspectives than seem to be present in this group, however.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> A) Item 12: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> B) DERIVING MEANING
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS
> *DIP* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - ANTI QUO - Although it is a good idea to have standard
> references, this seems to me rather heavy-handed. With luck, we won't
> have to define the various forms of the English word corresponding to
> the Latin esse [to be] or anything similar.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> Please do not hesitate to point to my attention any error I may have
> made.
>
> Valete
>
> 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87091 From: Sabinus Date: 2012-02-04
Subject: Oath of office - custos.
SALVETE!

I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Custos to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Custos and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

VALETE,

Titus Iulius Sabinus/Adrian Zavoianu
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87092 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-04
Subject: prid. Non. Feb.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est pridie Nonas Februarius; hic dies nefastus est.

"Upon the arrival of the ambassadors at Rome, Tullius, suspecting that
they had come to demand satisfaction, resolved to anticipate them in
doing this, since he wished to turn upon the Albans the blame for
breaking the compact between them and their colony. For there existed
a treaty between the two cities which had been made in the reign of
Romulus, wherein, among other articles, it was stipulated that neither
of them should begin a war, but if either complained of any injury
whatsoever, that city would demand satisfaction from the city which
had done the injury, and failing to obtain it, should then make war as
a matter of necessity, the treaty being looked upon as already broken.
Tullius, therefore, taking care that the Romans should not be the
first called upon to give satisfaction and, by refusing it, become
guilty in the eyes of the Albans, ordered the most distinguished of
his friends to entertain the ambassadors of the Albans with every
courtesy and to detain them inside their homes while he himself,
pretending to be occupied with some necessary business, put off their
audience. The following night he sent to Alba some Romans of
distinction, duly instructed as to the course they should pursue,
together with the fetiales, to demand satisfaction from the Albans for
the injuries the Romans had received. These, having performed their
journey before sunrise, found Cluilius in the market-place at the time
when the early morning crowd was gathered there. And having set forth
the injuries which the Romans had received at the hands of the Albans,
they demanded that he should act in conformity with the compact
between the cities. But Cluilius, alleging that the Albans had been
first in sending envoys to Rome to demand satisfaction and had not
even been vouchsafed an answer, ordered the Romans to depart, on the
ground that they had violated the terms of the treaty, and declared
war against them. The chief of the embassy, however, as he was
departing, demanded from Cluilius an answer to just this one question,
namely, whether he admitted that those were violating the treaty who,
being the first called upon to give satisfaction, had refused to
comply with any part of their obligation. And when Cluilius said he
did, he exclaimed: 'Well, then, I call the gods, whom we made
witnesses of our treaty, to witness that the Romans, having been the
first to be refused satisfaction, will be undertaking a just war
against the violators of that treaty, and that it is you Albans who
have avoided giving satisfaction, as the events themselves show. For
you, being the first called upon for satisfaction, have refused it and
you have been the first to declare war against us. Look, therefore,
for vengeance to come upon you ere long with the sword.' Tullius,
having learned of all this from the ambassadors upon their return to
Rome, then ordered the Albans to be brought before him and to state
the reasons for their coming; and when they had delivered the message
entrusted to them by Cluilius and were threatening war in case they
did not obtain satisfaction, he replied: 'I have anticipated you in
doing this, and having obtained nothing that the treaty directs, I
declare against the Albans the war that is both necessary and just.'"
- Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.2


February is dedicated to the god Mars and Iuno in her aspect as Iuno
Sospita. Mars was initially a god of springtime and fertility before
he was a god of war. The first god Romans (and Italians) recognised as
the chief of all the divinities, he was associated with Iuppiter (who
later became top god) and Quirinus. These three shared an ancient
sanctuary housed in the Regia in the Roman forum.

Although often associated with the Greek Ares, Mars is separate. Not a
bellacose bringer of war like Ares, Mars is instead the protector of
the Roman people, in agriculture as well as in war. Additionally, in
the Roman tradition Mars was conceived by the Queen of Heaven alone.
According to Ovid Mars was conceived by Iuno via a flower with fertile
properties which the goddess Flora obtained for her.

He was the protector of agriculture who lived in forests and
mountains. The first month of the Roman calendar, Martius, which
originally began on the vernal equinox, honored the god and marked the
annual return of life to the Earth, as this was the season for
planting crops. For a time Mars was both an agricultural and military
deity, thus symbolizing the duality of the Roman citizen as both
farmer and soldier. Eventually, Mars transferred his agricultural
duties to Ceres and Liber, and his chief concern became that of
protecting the Roman state in time of war, much as among mortals the
defense of the state passed out of the hands of a militia --
temporarily raised from the agrarian citizenry to meet an immediate
threat -- and instead became the responsibility of a huge standing
army of professional soldiers. As god of war Mars was accompanied by
the goddess Bellona.

The sacrarium of Mars stood on the Palatine Hill in the Roma Quadrata
of Romulus, and this is where his sacred spears and shields, the
symbolic armory of the Roman state, were kept. At first there was only
one shield, dropped from the sky by Mars to the second Roman king Numa
Pompilius as a token of his benevolence, but in order to insure
against theft or destruction, Numa had eleven identical shields made.
The twelve shields were then placed under the stewardship of the
Salii, a college of twelve priests created by Numa for that purpose.
The Salii ("jumpers"), who served both Quirinus and Mars, derived
their name from the procession through the streets of the city which
they completed by jumping the entire way and singing the Carmen
Saliare. Primitively the rites of the Salii were intended to protect
the growth of plants. Mars' own priest was called the flamen
Martialis. In the Regia on the Forum Romanum, the hastae Martiae
("lances of Mars") were kept. When these lances moved, it was seen as
a portent of war. Whenever war broke out, it was the consul's
ceremonial duty to shake the sacred spears and shout "Mars vigila!"
("Mars, wake up!").


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87093 From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Date: 2012-02-04
Subject: Oath of Office
I, Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus (S. Aleksandr Normandy)
do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act
always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova
Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius
Postumianus (S. Aleksandr Normandy) swear to honor the Gods and
Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus (S. Aleksandr Normandy)
swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of
Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its
status as the State Religion.

I, Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus (S. Aleksandr Normandy)
swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus (S. Aleksandr Normandy)
further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the
office of custos to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of custos and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

(As required by the Praetorian edict of 08 January, "Nova Roma" may be
translated to "New Rome", "Religio Romana" commonly to "Roman
religion", and "custos" to "electoral official" in English; similarly,
although "Quintus" and "Pius" easily translate to "fifth" and "pious"
respectively, "Caecilius", "Metellus" and "Postumianus" do not well
translate, and should simply be taken on face value as a name.)

Submitted by Q Caecilius Metellus before the People of New Rome, 16:51
MST (GMT -0700), 05 February 2012 CE.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87094 From: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Date: 2012-02-04
Subject: Re: Oath of Office
I previously wrote:

> Submitted by Q Caecilius Metellus before the People of New Rome, 16:51
> MST (GMT -0700), 05 February 2012 CE.

My apologies, Citizens. In trying to diligently comply with the
praetorian edict, I neglected part of the reverse time conversion.
Rather than "05 February", that should read "04 February".

Signed,

Q Caecilius Metellus

(In compliance with the aforementioned praetorian edict, the
translations posted in my immediately preceding message apply to this
message as well.)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87095 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: NONAE FEBRUARIIS
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est Nonae Februariis; hic dies nefastus est.

"Now I wish for a thousand tongues, and that spirit
Of yours, Homer, you who celebrated Achilles,
While I sing the sacred Nones in alternating verse." - Ovid, Fasti II

"After these pretences they both prepared themselves for war, not only
arming their own forces but also calling to their assistance those of
their subjects. And when they had everything ready the two armies drew
near to each other and encamped at the distance of forty stades from
Rome, the Albans at the Cluilian Ditches, as they are called (for they
still preserve the name of the man who constructed them) and the
Romans a little farther inside, having chosen the most convenient
place for their camp. When the two armies saw each other's forces
neither inferior in numbers nor poorly armed nor to be despised in
respect of their other preparations, they lost their impetuous ardour
for the combat, which they had felt at first because of their
expectation of defeating the enemy by their very onset, and they took
thought rather of defending themselves by building their ramparts to a
greater height than of being the first to attack. At the same time the
most intelligent among them began to reflect, feeling that they were
not being governed by the best counsels, and there was a spirit of
faultfinding against those in authority. And as the time dragged on
in vain (for they were not injuring one another to any notable extent
by sudden dashes of the light-armed troops or by skirmishes of the
horse), the man who was looked upon as responsible for the war,
Cluilius, being irked at lying idle, resolved to march out with his
army and challenge the enemy to battle, and if they declined it, to
attack their entrenchments. And having made his preparations for an
engagement and all the plans necessary for an attack upon the enemy's
ramparts, in case that should prove necessary, when night came on he
went to sleep in the general's tent, attended by his usual guard; but
about daybreak he was found dead, no signs appearing on his body
either of wounds, strangling, poison, or any other violent death." -
Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.4


"The peacock made complaint to Juno that, while the nightingale
pleased every ear with his song, he himself no sooner opened his mouth
than he became a laughingstock to all who heard him. The Goddess, to
console him, said, "But you far excel in beauty and in size. The
splendor of the emerald shines in your neck and you unfold a tail
gorgeous with painted plumage." "But for what purpose have I," said
the bird, "this dumb beauty so long as I am surpassed in song?' "The
lot of each," replied Juno, "has been assigned by the will of the
Fates--to thee, beauty; to the eagle, strength; to the nightingale,
song; to the raven, favorable, and to the crow, unfavorable auguries.
These are all contented with the endowments allotted to them." - Aesop

Although February is dedicated to Mars, it is also dedicated to Iuno
Sospita, the Savior of the State and the special protectress of women
and children. Her temple in Rome was in the Forum Holitorium, and
hercult, that of Sospita (or "Sispes") was important in Lanuvium as
well. The cave where offerings were made is in Lanuvio, which is
about 40 km from Rome. The name Lanuvio is thought to be derived from
"the goddess covered in wool (lana)": girls offered barley-cakes to
the sacred snake in her grove, and if their offerings were accepted,
their virginity was confirmed and the year's fertility assured. She
wore a goat-skin headdress and carried a spear and a shield.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87096 From: Gaius Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: Witness
Quirites Omnibus SPD
 
I, Gaius Popillius Laenas, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:
The appointment by Senatus consultum of
C. Maria Caeca as aedilis curulis of Nova Roma.
 
As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her office and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.
 
Valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87097 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: FW: [Explorator] explorator 14.42
Salvete FYI Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus
To: explorator@yahoogroups.com; BRITARCH@...
From: rogueclassicist@...
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 09:16:23 -0500
Subject: [Explorator] explorator 14.42




























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Thanks to Arthur Shippee, Dave Sowdon,David Critchley,

Diana Wright, Donna Hurst, Edward Rockstein, Joan Griffith,

Rick Heli, Kurt Theis, Jeff Emanuel, Antony Cowey,

John McMahon, Barnea Selavan, Joseph Lauer, Mike Ruggeri,

Richard Campbell, Richard C. Griffiths, Bob Heuman,

Rochelle Altman, and Ross W. Sargent for headses upses this week (as always

hoping I have left no one out).



... kind of a slow week ...

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EARLY HUMANS

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Feature on Piltdown Man:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/feb/05/piltdown-man-archaeologys-greatest-hoax



Sort of a 'state-of-the-question' piece on DNA and human

migrations, the Denisovans and all that:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-research-into-human-origins.html

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ANCIENT NEAR EAST AND EGYPT

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The Ramat Rachel dig has found the earliest evidence for the

cultivation of etrogs:



http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/jerusalem-dig-uncovers-earliest-evidence-of-local-cultivation-of-etrogs-1.410505



Controversy over plans (maybe) to rebuild Herod's tomb:



http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/top-archeologists-condemn-israeli-plan-to-rebuild-ancient-tomb-1.409779

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/archaeologists-slam-plan-to-rebuild-herod-s-tomb-1.409916



Nice feature on Aren Maeir:



http://israel21c.org/people/constant-surprises-keep-professor-digging-for-more



Abstract of an AJA article (with photo gallery) about the Umm El-

Marra Project:



http://www.ajaonline.org/node/1065



Ongoing concerns for archaeological sites in Iraq:



http://local.cincinnati.com/community/Story.aspx?c=100057&url=http://news.communitypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/C2/20120129/SPT01/301290032/



Not sure why, but that mummy with evidence of prostate cancer is

making the news rounds again (I don't think this is a different

one):



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-cancer-ancient-egyptian-mummy.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/30/researchers-find-cancer-in-mummy_n_1240756.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093675/2-200-year-old-Egyptian-mummy-prostate-cancer.html

http://news.yahoo.com/researchers-cancer-ancient-egyptian-mummy-150628424.html

http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_19849430



More on that index to the Talmud:



http://www.npr.org/2012/01/27/145985303/a-lawyer-not-a-sage-creates-talmud-index



More on Bathonea:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/24/science/istanbul-yields-a-treasure-trove-in-ancient-bathonea.html



More on Babylonian humour in written form:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/30/babylonian-yo-mama-joke_n_1242617.html



Egyptology News Blog:



http://egyptology.blogspot.com/



Egyptology Blog:



http://www.egyptologyblog.co.uk/



Dr Leen Ritmeyer's Blog:



http://blog.ritmeyer.com/



Paleojudaica:



http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/



Persepolis Fortification Archives:



http://persepolistablets.blogspot.com/

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ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME (AND CLASSICS)

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Greg Crane was on WAMC's 'Academic Minute':



http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wamc/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1898239



Interesting spin on Roman numerals, Super Bowl style:



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204652904577197312698087518.html



Might as well put this Atlantis/Santorini thing here:



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-atlantis-volcano-mega-eruptions.html



More on that 'mysterious winged structure' in Norfolk:



http://www.physorg.com/news247393325.html



More on the Hallaton Helmet:



http://www.harboroughmail.co.uk/the_romans_return_1_3479517

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-16870763



Review of *The Swerve*:



http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/turning-point_620941.html



Latest reviews from Scholia:



http://www.classics.ukzn.ac.za/reviews/



Latest reviews from BMCR:



http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/recent.html



Visit our blog:



http://rogueclassicism.com/

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EUROPE AND THE UK (+ Ireland)

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Is a cow shed the oldest house in Wales?:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-16851385



Plans to turn a 16th century estate in Denbighshire into a

'care village':



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-16795922



A Yorkshire museum raised enough money to keep a gold torq:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-16831708



Pondering the historic significance of the Brodgar complex:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2012/jan/31/archaeologists-pagans-brodgar-complex



English Heritage has purchased a medieval barn in Harmondsworth:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16776801

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093598/Medieval-barn-described-cathedral-Middlesex-joins-Stonehenge-national-collection-historical-sites.html



Interesting sediment study from a lake in Spain:



http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-02/f-sf-sft020312.php



The US National Archives has restored its copy of the Magna Carta:



http://news.yahoo.com/us-archives-unveils-magna-carta-repairs-183756050.html



More hype for raising that other Nelson shipwreck:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/lebanon/9046344/Explorers-raise-hope-of-Nelson-treasure-trove-on-Victorian-shipwreck.html



Reliving Iron Age Estonia:



http://in.news.yahoo.com/estonian-students-iron-age-life-smoky-cold-175721047.html



Vikings returned to Shetland this week:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/gallery/2012/feb/01/vikings-shetland-pictures



... and they may have been growing grain in Greenland (!):



http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2012/01/28/evidence-suggests-vikings-grew-grain-in-south-greenland/



I'm starting to think of bumping the cutoff date for this newsletter

to the end of WWII ... here's a significant shipwreck find, e.g.:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095042/Archaeologist-discovers-sunken-WWI-fighters-containing-bullion-worth-160MILLION.html

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/weird/NATL-Treasure-Hunter-Claims-Hes-Found-3B-Shipwreck--138554474.html



Archaeology in Europe Blog:



http://archaeology-in-europe.blogspot.com/



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ASIA AND THE SOUTH PACIFIC

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Coffins of indeterminate age from central Laos:



http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ancient-coffins-discovered-cental-laos-073007516.html



Bones found in Napier (NZ) are at least a couple hundred years

old, apparently:



http://www.nzherald.co.nz/indigenous-peoples/news/article.cfm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6360327/Unearthed-bones-from-1800s



A 12th century 'ogre pot' from Nara Prefecture:



http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/202936/7719196.html



Researching past earthquakes around Tokyo:



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-geological-evidence-earthquakes-tokyo-region.html



More on the Asian origins of North Americans:



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-genetic-footprints-africa.html

http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/penn-anthropologists-clarify-link-between-asians-and-early-native-americans



East Asian Archaeology:



http://eastasiablog.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/east-asian-archaeology-cultural-heritage-%E2%80%93-2052010/



Southeast Asian Archaeology Newsblog:



http://www.southeastasianarchaeology.com/



New Zealand Archaeology eNews:



http://www.nzarchaeology.org/netsubnews.htm

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NORTH AMERICA

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A 140 years b.p. shipwreck is exposed on the shores of Lake

Michigan:



http://www.upnorthlive.com/news/story.aspx?id=715186#.Ty5_p4E8euI

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-mi-shipwreckfragment,0,5939932.story



Feature on Castle Rock/Canyons of the Ancients:



http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20120205/NEWS01/702059922/-1/news01&source=RSS



More on the Hunley:



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/01/pictures/120131-hunley-civil-war-first-submarine-science-nation/

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CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA

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A trio of Aztatlan urns from Sinaloa:



http://www.inah.gob.mx/index.php/boletines/247-historia/5616-cultura-aztatlan-habito-en-navolato-revela-hallazgo



Not really within our purview, but here's info on the latest

'uncontacted tribe' ... this time, from Peru:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16816816



Video report on that Calmecac exhibition in Mexico City:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16762217



More on Maya tobacco use:



http://www.buffalonews.com/life/article722949.ece



Mike Ruggeri's Ancient Americas Breaking News:



http://web.mac.com/michaelruggeri



Ancient MesoAmerica News:



http://ancient-mesoamerica-news-updates.blogspot.com/

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OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST

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Archaeo News Podcast 207:



http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index.php/archives/01/2012/archaeo-news-podcast-207



Archaeology Channel Audio News (Jan 22-28)



Thomas Edison's recordings of Otto von Bismarck have been

brought 'back to life':



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/bismarcks-voice-among-restored-edison-recordings.html

http://io9.com/5881146/the-only-known-recording-of-otto-von-bismarcks-voice-has-been-discovered

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/02/a-look-at-history-thomas-edisons-1889-recording-of-otto-von-bismarck/



Some British papers are commenting on the Seven Wonders:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2096657/Britons-blunders-Seven-Wonders---say-theyve-places-longer-exist.html



Dickens' character names were apparently derived from real people:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/feb/01/charles-dickens-real-character-names



Shakespeare's talent was more in the grammar he used than the

words, we are told:



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-shakespeare-skill-grammar-words.html



Latest on the Odyssey Marine dispute with Spain over the Black

Swan:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/01/treasure-trove-galleon-returned-spain

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095279/Sunken-treasure-trove-worth-500million-returned-Spain.html



Funding for a 'DNA data matrix' of ancient domestic animals:



http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-02/tcd-gre020312.php



... while all modern horses trace back, apparently, to a single

ancestor:



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-mtdna-modern-horses-ancestor-years.html



A volcanic origin for the Little Ice Age:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16797075

http://www.livescience.com/18205-ice-age-volcanoes-sea-ice.html

http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-enigmatic-ice-age.html



... and how climate change has affected cultures in history:



http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/01/30/climate-change-has-helped-bring-down-cultures/



A copy of the Mona Lisa in Spain turns out to be possibly the

earliest copy therof:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16847737

http://news.yahoo.com/real-time-copy-mona-lisa-reveals-leonardo-185500837.html

http://www.theartnewspaper.com/articles/Earliest-copy-of-Mona-Lisa-found-in-Prado/25514

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2012/feb/01/new-mona-lisa-prado

http://news.discovery.com/history/copy-mona-lisa-prado-120202.htmlj



Review of Toby Lester, *DaVinci's Ghost*:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/books/review/da-vincis-ghost-examines-one-of-the-artists-most-famous-images.html



... which has led to news reports about the Vitruvian Man, of

course:



http://news.yahoo.com/did-leonardo-da-vinci-copy-famous-vitruvian-man-145205550.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2094647/Da-Vincis-iconic-Vitruvian-Man-copied-fellow-Renaissance-architect.html



Review of *Kama Sutra*:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/books/the-kama-sutra-newly-translated.html



http://www.ancientdigger.com/

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TOURISTY THINGS

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Sicily:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/travel/aito/9054103/ancient-sicily-offers-glorious-guide-to-classical-Europe.html



Rome:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/travel/aito/9054125/bring-Rome-to-life-with-cultural-city-break.html



Acrocorinth:



http://www.gadling.com/2012/02/01/athens-day-trip-acrocorinth-one-of-greeces-greatest-castles/



Qingdao:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fathom/chinas-bavarian-beach-tow_b_1231003.html



Benin:



http://travel.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/travel/on-the-vodun-trail-in-benin.html



Neve Tzedek:



http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/02/03/travel/05forage.html



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BLOGS

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About.com Archaeology:



http://archaeology.about.com/



Archaeology Briefs:



http://archaeologybriefs.blogspot.com/



Taygete Atlantis excavations blogs aggregator:



http://planet.atlantides.org/taygete/



Time Machine:



http://heatherpringle.wordpress.com/



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GENERAL MAGAZINES AND JOURNALS

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Latest CSA Newsletter:



http://csanet.org/newsletter/#winter12

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CRIME BEAT

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Treasure hunters have plundered a couple of Byzantine sites

in Istanbul:



http://www.todayszaman.com/news-270002-treasure-hunters-plunder-byzantine-cemetery-in-istanbul.html



The Hope Cross capstone disappeared a few weeks ago:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-16782092



A 16th century tome was stolen from a Buckland church:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-16790769



The self-styled 'Jewish Indiana Jones' has admitted fraud in

regards to his rescuing Torahs:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16866019

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/03/nyregion/rabbi-menachem-youlus-says-he-lied-about-saving-torahs.html



Religious strife in Macedonia threatened some icons:



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gFwFrDCwOnJRpzNFRakRO4QP6b4Q?docId=N0241471328012725291A



Looting Matters:



http://lootingmatters.blogspot.com/



Illicit Cultural Property:



http://illicit-cultural-property.blogspot.com/



Safe Corner:



http://safecorner.savingantiquities.org/

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NUMISMATICA

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A metal detectorist finds a horde of medieval coins in Caithness:



http://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/News/Ancient-coins-find-in-Caithness-02022012.htm



Latest eSylum newsletter:



http://www.coinbooks.org/club_nbs_esylum_v15n05.html



... and the one which should show up later today:



http://www.coinbooks.org/club_nbs_esylum_v15n06.html



Ancient Coin Collecting:



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Roads of Arabia:



http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/01/31/191704.html

http://www.forimmediaterelease.net/pm/6152.html



Van Gogh Up Close:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/03/arts/design/van-gogh-up-close-at-philadelphia-museum-of-art.html



Eye Miniatures:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/03/arts/design/loving-lovers-eyes-and-loving-cereal.html



Tiepolo:



http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=11&int_new=53347



Fu Baoshi:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/arts/design/fu-baoshi-chinas-master-modernist-at-metropolitan-museum.html



St Vitus Treasures:



http://intransit.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/st-vitus-treasures-now-in-brilliant-display-at-prague-castle/



Germany returned a looted pre-Islamic sculpture to Afghanistan:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16811062

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/31/us-afghanistan-antiquity-idUSTRE80U0BN20120131



Plans for an English Civil War museum in Newark proceed:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-16808781



Cuts to museums in Finland:



http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2012/02/museums_to_be_shut_staff_facing_layoffs_3223947.html



Feature on the Egyptian Museum of Modern Art:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/02/world/middleeast/02iht-m02-egypt-museum.html



The Girl With a Pearl Earring is coming to the Frick:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/arts/design/vermeers-girl-with-a-pearl-earring-to-visit-frick-in-2013.html



Coverage of Christie's Old Masters sale:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/04/arts/04iht-melikian04.html



Check out our Twitter hashtage for more ancient exhibition reviews:



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Oberto:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/29/oberto-verdi-opera_n_1239940.html



Rienzi:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/arts/music/wagners-rienzi-from-opera-orchestra-at-avery-fisher-hall.html



These Seven Sicknesses:



http://theater.nytimes.com/2012/02/04/theater/reviews/these-seven-sicknesses-at-flea-theater.html



Europa Galante:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/04/arts/music/europa-galante-at-zankel-hall.html



Richard II:



http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/03/london-theater-journal-porcelain-portrayal-of-a-fragile-king/



Review of three books relating to the *Downtown Abbey* series:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/books/review/three-books-explore-the-reality-behind-the-world-of-downton-abbey.html



Check out our Twitter hashtag for Ancient Drama reviews:



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http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/archaeology/

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87098 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: Witnessing
Cn. Iulius Caesar sal.

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:
The appointment by Senatus consultum of
C. Maria Caeca as aedilis curulis of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her office and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana

Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87099 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: Witnessing
Salvete omnes

I, Gaius Marcius Crispus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:
The appointment by Senatus consultum of C. Maria Caeca as aedilis curulis of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her office and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Valete omnes,
C. Marcius Crispus
Lictor

Date: 5 February 2012
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87100 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: Witnessing
Q Servilius Priscus sal.

I, Quintus Servilius Priscus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:
The appointment by Senatus consultum of C. Maria Caeca as aedilis curulis
of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her office
and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87101 From: Clint Johnson Date: 2012-02-05
Subject: Witness Statement
Salvete omnes



I, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointment by Senatus consultum of C. Maria Caeca as aedilis curulis of Nova Roma.



As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her office and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.



Valete omnes,

C. Vipsanius Agrippa

Lictor



Date: 5 February 2012



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87102 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-06
Subject: post. Non. Feb.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est postridie Nonas Februarius; hic dies nefastus aterque est.

"This unfortunate event appearing extraordinary to everybody, as one
would naturally expect, and the cause of it being enquired into for
no preceding illness could be alleged those who ascribed all human
fortunes to divine providence said that this death had been due to the
anger of the gods, because he had handled an unjust and unnecessary
war between the mother-city and her colony. But others, who looked
upon war as a profitable business and thought they had been deprived
of great gains, attributed the event to human treachery and envy,
accusing some of his fellow citizens of the opposing faction of having
made away with him by secret and untraceable poisons that they had
discovered. Still others alleged that, being overcome with grief and
despair, he had taken his own life, since all his plans were becoming
difficult and impracticable and none of the things that he had looked
forward to in the beginning when he first took hold of affairs was
succeeding according to his desire. But those who were not influenced
by either friendship or enmity for the general and based their
judgment of what had happened on the soundest grounds were of the
opinion that neither the anger of the gods nor the envy of the
opposing faction nor despair of his plans had put an end to his life,
but rather Nature's stern law and fate, when once he had finished the
destined course which is marked out for everyone that is born. Such,
then, was the end that Cluilius met, before he had performed any noble
deed. In his place Mettius Fufetius was chosen general by those in the
camp and invested with absolute power; he was a man without either
ability to conduct a war or constancy to preserve a peace, one who,
though he had been at first as zealous as any of the Albans in
creating strife between the two cities and for that reason had been
honoured with the command after the death of Cluilius, yet after he
had obtained it and perceived the many difficulties and embarrassments
with which the business was attended, no longer adhered to the same
plans, but resolved to delay and put off matters, since he observed
that not all the Albans now had the same ardour for war and also that
the victims, whenever he offered sacrifice concerning battle, were
unfavourable. And at last he even determined to invite the enemy to
an accommodation, taking the initiative himself in sending heralds,
after he had been informed of a danger from the outside which
threatened both the Albans and Romans, a danger which, if they did not
terminate their war with each other by a treaty, was unavoidable and
bound to destroy both armies." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.5


"Ouranos came, bringing on night and longing for love, and he lay
about Gaia spreading himself full upon her. Then the son [Kronos] from
his ambush stretched forth his left hand and in his right took the
great long sickle with jagged teeth, and swiftly lopped off his own
father's members and cast them away to fall behind him ... and so soon
as he had cut off the members with flint and cast them from the land
into the surging sea, they were swept away over the main a long time:
and a white foam spread around them from the immortal flesh, and in it
there grew a maiden. First she drew near holy Kythera, and from there,
afterwards, she came to sea-girt Kypros, and came forth an awful and
lovely goddess, and grass grew up about her beneath her shapely feet.
Her gods and men call Aphrodite, and Aphrogeneia (the foam-born)
because she grew amid the foam, and Eustephanos (well-crowned or
girdled) Kythereia because she reached Kythera, and Kyprogenes because
she was born in billowy Kypros, and Philommeides (Genital-Loving)
because sprang from the members. And with her went Eros (Love), and
comely Himeros (Desire) followed her at her birth at the first and as
she went into the assembly of the gods. This honour she has from the
beginning, and this is the portion allotted to her amongst men and
undying gods, - the whisperings of maidens and smiles and deceits with
sweet delight and love and graciousness." - Hesiod, Theogony 176

"To Sea-set Kypros the moist breath of the western wind wafted her
[Aphrodite] over the waves of the loud-moaning sea in soft foam, and
there the gold-filleted Horai welcomed her joyously. They clothed her
with heavenly garments: on her head they put a fine, well-wrought
crown of gold, and in her pierced ears they hung ornaments of orichalc
and precious gold, and adorned her with golden necklaces over her soft
neck and snow-white breasts, jewels which the gold-filleted Horai wear
themselves whenever they go to their father's house to join the lovely
dances of the gods. And when they had fully decked her, they brought
her to the gods, who welcomed her when they saw her, giving her their
hands. Each one of them prayed that he might lead her home to be his
wedded wife, so greatly were they amazed at the beauty of
violet-crowned Kythereia." - Homeric Hymns 6 to Aphrodite

In ancient Greece, today was celebrated as the birth of Aphrodite,
known to the Romans as Venus. According to Hesiod (Theogony 188-198),
when Kronos had cut off his father's members, he tossed them into the
sea. The immortal flesh eventually spread into a circle of white
foam... from this foam, Aphrodite was created. Her name literally
means foam-born. She was attended by Eros and Himeros when she was
first born but when she stepped ashore on the island of Kypros she was
a "modest and lovely Goddess", since known as the Lady of Kypros. Her
gentle domain was intended to be "the sweetness of love" and "the
whispering of girls" but her adventures, and the adventures of her
children, caused as much misery and bloodshed as any of the immortals
--- except for Ares (Mars) and Athene (Athena), who thrived on warfare.

Aphrodite was born fully grown out of the foam, and as such is of an
older generation than Zeus. The Iliad (Book V) expresses another
version of her origin, by which she was considered a daughter of
Dione, who was the original oracular goddess ("Dione" being simply
"the goddess," etymologically an equivalent of "Diana") at Dodona. In
Homer, Aphrodite, venturing into battle to protect her son, Aeneas,
who has been wounded by Diomedes and returns to her mother, to sink
down at her knee and be comforted. "Dione" seems to be an equivalent
of Rhea, the Earth Mother, whom Homer has relocated to Olympus. After
this story, Aphrodite herself was sometimes referred to as "Dione".
Once Zeus had usurped the oak-grove oracle at Dodona, some poets made
him out to be the father of Aphrodite.

Aphrodite's chief center of worship remained at Paphos, on the
south-western coast of Cyprus, where the goddess of desire had long
been worshipped as Ishtar and Ashtaroth. It is said that she first
tentatively came ashore at Cytherea, a stopping place for trade and
culture between Crete and the Peloponesus. Thus perhaps we have hints
of the track of Aphrodite's original cult from the Levant to mainland
Greece. In Plato's Symposium the speech of Pausanias distinguishes
two manifestations of Aphrodite, represented by the two stories:
Aphrodite Ourania ("heavenly" Aphrodite), and Aphrodite Pandemos
("Common" Aphrodite). These two manifestations represented her role in
homosexuality and heterosexuality, respectively.

Venus was originally a vegetation goddess and patroness of gardens and
vineyards. Later, under Greek influence, she was equated with
Aphrodite and assumed many of her aspects. The oldest temple known of
Venus dates back to 293 B.C., and was inaugurated on August 18. Later,
on this date the Vinalia Rustica was observed. A second festival, that
of the Veneralia, was celebrated on April 1 in honor of Venus
Verticordia, who later became the protector against vice. Her temple
was built in 114 B.C. After the Roman defeat near Lake Trasum in 215
B.C., a temple was built on the Capitol for Venus Erycina. This temple
was officially opened on April 23, and a festival, the Vinalia Priora,
was instituted to celebrate the occasion.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87103 From: reenbru Date: 2012-02-06
Subject: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 1 of 4
Aulus Liburnius Hadrianus Tribunus Plebis Quiritibus SPD
Senate Voting Results published on 2/6/2012

Formal debate ended on 27-JAN-2012 at 07:19 PM Roman time. Voting began immediately afterward and ended on 31-JAN-2012 at 05:23 PM Roman time. Results were officially published by the presiding magistrate Consul Cn. Iulius Caesar on the Senate list on (31-JAN-2012).

The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been tallied as follows:

The following 17 senators or voting members of the Senate cast votes in time. They are referred to below by their initials and are listed in alphabetical order by nomen:

M. Cassius Julianus (MCJ)
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia (SCA)
M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus (MCGG)
L. Cornelius Sulla (LCS)
C. Equitius Cato (CEC)
Q. Fabius Maximus (QFM)
Ti. Galerius Paulinus (TGP)
Cn. Iulius Caesar (CnIC)
T. Iulius Sabinus (TIS)
D. Iunius Palladius Invictus (DIPI)
M. Minucius Audens (MMA)
C. Petronius Dexter (CPD)
G. Popillius Laenas (GPL)
Q. Suetonius Paulinus (QSP)
A. Tullia Scholastica (ATS)
G. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus (GTVG)
G. Vipsianus Agrippa GVA)

The following 1 senator or voting member of the Senate did not cast a vote or did not cast a vote on time and absence was not announced or justified in line with the Senatus Consultum on Defining a Quorum and the LEX OCTAVIA DE SENATORIBUS:
***P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator (PUSV)***

The following 1 senator or voting member of the Senate was not allowed to cast a vote because the process of his conscription into the Senate is not complete:
***L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur (LECA)***

Therefore, the necessary majority for a Senatus Consultum was 9 votes in favor.
"UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote against, and "ABSTINEO" is an open abstention.

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The items for consideration were as follows:
Agenda

A) Item 1.a: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) ITEM 1.a: AUTHORIZED SIGNERS (Item 1.a SC Authorized Signers.pdf)
SENATUS CONSULTUM ON AUTHORIZED SIGNERS
1. The Senate authorizes the removal of all authorized signers on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. on any and all
bank accounts held at the Bank of America in the name of Nova Roma Inc., with the exception of any
person listed at 4 who may be a current signatory.
2. The Senate authorizes the addition of the persons listed below at 4 as authorized signers on behalf of
Nova Roma Inc. on any and all bank accounts, or if such a person at 4 is already an authorized signer
confirms their retention as such.
3. All persons at 4 will be authorized users of any PayPal account held in the name of Nova Roma Inc.
4. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Aula Tullia Scholastica and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix and the Chief
Financial Officer (CFO) of Nova Roma Inc. if the CFO is not included in the preceding list of names.
5. The Senate instructs the CFO, or if that position is unfilled then Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix and/or
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus to ensure that all bank accounts are set so as to require signatures of the two
authorized signers at on any cheque or withdrawal or transfer or other use of funds.
6. All authorized signers must provide their legal macronational names to the CFO, or if that position is
unfilled then Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, and by accepting the position of authorized signer must post to
the Senate list their acceptance of the position and their consent for their legal macronational names to
be supplied to the relevant financial institutions, and that they further understand that use of the legal
macronational names will be required in connection with their duties as an authorized signer.

C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS
*DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS - I trust that the inclusion of the two gentlemen listed alone in item 5 has something to do with their existing authorizations.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to note that I share Senator Paulinus' concern that some things would have been better voted upon as individual items, but I recognize the tremendous job my colleague did in preparing this agenda, and the concern is a minor one.
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

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A) Item 1.b: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) ITEM 1.b: CFO (Item 1.b SC CFO.pdf)
SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE POSITION OF CFO
1. By this Senatus consultum, the Senate hereby defines the position of Chief Financial Officer (herein
designated as " CFO"). An individual shall be appointed to the position of CFO by Senatus consultum,
passing by simple majority, for a term of thirty-six months.
2. An individual appointed to, and accepting of, the position of CFO, shall be given access to all financial data
and accounts, including but not limited to the deposit, credit, and brokerage accounts of the corporation and
its associated entities, and all access methods thereto, as well as the surface mail directed to Nova Roma,
Inc.
3. The CFO shall report directly to the co-presidents of Nova Roma, or in their absence, the co-vice presidents,
and through them, to the Board of Directors.
4. The CFO shall have the ability to appoint and dismiss assistants as it sees fit, not to exceed four individuals,
who shall be treated as under direct appointment by the Board of Directors. For their service, these
individuals shall receive an amount of century points equal to those of regularly appointed scribae.
5. An incoming CFO shall be appointed to a term so as to overlap that of an outgoing CFO by three months,
during which time the incoming CFO shall co-operate with the outgoing CFO to ensure smooth transition of
necessary access to records and operations as outlined elsewhere in this and relevant consulta. An
incoming CFO, during this three-month period, shall also assess the financial status and performance of the
corporation and report the same to the Board of Directors, and complete and analysis of the financial results
of the corporation and develop recommendations for future measures.
6. In the event of a vacancy in the position of CFO, the consuls shall have the authority to appoint, from the
appointed assistants to the previous CFO, a CFO "pro tempore", for a term to last no longer than six months
from the date of appointment. By the end of that time, the Board of Directors must appoint a new CFO, to
serve the remainder of the previous incomplete term, or if less than six months remain of that term, to start a
new term.
7. The CFO shall have overall responsibility for the financial data of Nova Roma and its associated entities, and
shall oversee all financial operations of the organization, including, but not limited to: those undertaken by
those individuals elected by the comitia, those undertaken by the provinciae and their subsidiaries, those
undertaken by the sodalitates, and those undertaken by the sacerdotes publici as appointed by the Senate,
Collegium Pontificum, or other body so empowered.
8. The CFO shall be responsible for the development and recommendation of financial protocols to ensure
proper compliance with laws and regulations, both inside and outside Nova Roma, shall be responsible for the
monitoring of internal financial controls and procedures, and shall produce financial reports to be provided to
the Board of Directors at such frequency as required by Nova Roman law.
9. The CFO shall maintain financial oversight of all accounting practices, budget and cash management,
oversight of debt financing, and shall undertake those administrative tasks related to maintaining the financial
welfare of the corporation.
10. The CFO shall also oversee budgetary planning, make recommendations for budgetary measures, represent
the organization to the financial community, work with the officers and other elected and appointed individuals
to ensure operational success and compliance, minimize potential risks to the organization, and oversee
business insurance plans.
11. The CFO shall have sole responsibility for the maintenance of the official post box for Nova Roma Inc. and
shall locate it where is most convenient to do so. The Senate approves the annual, or otherwise as required
periodic, expenditure of such funds as are necessary to keep and maintain this post box. This post box shall
be the only one specified on the Nova Roma website / wiki as a direct mailing point of contact for Nova Roma.
12. The Senate of Nova hereby appoints Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix as CFO of Nova Roma, Inc.

C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I worked with L. Cornelius and know he paid attention with seriousness to the job.
*DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS - I absolutely trust in L. Cornelius Felix for this office.
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS - Uti rogas, with considerable reservations about the behavior of the party listed in item 12 and its impact on NR.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

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A) Item 1.c: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) ITEM 1.c: DISBURSEMENTS (Item 1.c SC Disbursements.pdf)
SENATUS CONSULTUM ON FINANCIAL DISBURSEMENTS
1. The purpose of this Senatus consultum is to streamline the disbursement of funds to pay for bills (both
foreseen and unforeseen) and to keep the Board of Directors aware of the disbursement of funds.
2. For expenditures that have a fee of $50.00 or less the CFO has the discretionary authority to pay those
expenditures as necessary. Notification to the Senate shall be required within 72 days after payment.
3. Any previously authorized expenditure where the amount is less than $50.00 greater than the budgeted
amount the CFO has the discretionary authority to pay the bill. Notification to the Senate shall be required
within 72 hours after payment.
4. Any previously authorized expenditure where the actual amount is more than $50.00 over the previously
authorized amount – but less than $200.00 than the budgeted amount both consuls together will have the
discretionary authority to authorize the CFO to pay the bill.
5. Any previously authorized expenditure where the amount is greater than $200.00 of the previously budgeted
amount requires Senate approval to direct the CFO to issue payment.
6. Any item that is not listed as a previous expenditure, but exceeds $50.00 will come out of the consular
discretionary funds – to a max of $500.00 per Consul (per year). The Senate may choose to reimburse the
consular discretionary fund, if it so chooses.
7. Any item that is not listed as a previous expenditure, but exceeds the $500.00 cap of the consular
discretionary fund must be approved by the Senate of Nova Roma within a Net 30 timeframe – beginning
from the date of notification by the CFO to the Consuls or Senate, whichever is sooner. If a session of the
Senate to authorize or refuse payment of this issue is not scheduled to conclude within 20 days after
notification is given the financial oversight committee will have authority to authorize payment from the
general fund.

C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS
*DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

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A) Item 1.d: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
B) ITEM 1.d: REMISSION OF TAX LUCIUS CINCINNATUS (Item 1.d SC Remission of Tax.pdf)
SENATUS CONSULTUM ON REMISSION OF THE TAX IN THE FAVOUR OF
LUCIUS EQUITIUS CINCINNATUS AUGUR
I. The Senate recognizing the manifest injustice done to him during the course of a process styled a
"trial" in 2761 A.U.C. hereby authorizes the censors to record in the Album civium that Lucius Equitius
Cincinnatus Augur is to be credited with three full years of tax remission.
II. The period of remission is equal to the three years, 2762 A.U.C. to 2764 A.U.C. inclusive, that Lucius
Equitius Cincinnatus Augur remained subject to this injustice.
III. The Senate further authorizes the censors to additionally register Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
as being of assidui status for the remainder of the current tax year (2764 A.U.C. to 2765 A.U.C), in
recognition of the period of nine months in 2761 A.U.C. that he was subject to this injustice.
IV. The monetary rate at which this credit shall be valued shall be equal to whatever the monetary
amount of tax that would have been due and payable by Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur during
any tax period when such credit is redeemed by him in lieu of paying tax.
V. Any such redeemed credit at section IV shall be in full and final settlement of any amount due, for the
tax year in which it was redeemed, in order to qualify for assidui status.

C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS - This "tax" should never have been put in place and must be removed in order for there to be any kind of fair resolution to this past situation.
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS - I agree this is the right thing to do and welcome back Cincinnatus.
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS - Hopefully this puts an end to a sad chapter of Nova Roma's history and rights the wrong to L Equitius at the hands of Nova Roman magistrates.
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS - Good thing we can have the opportunity tp correct this erorr L Equitius from previousof Nova Roman magistrates.
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I join to all who want to end this chapter from the NR past.
*DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - ANTIQUO - The Senate is not the re-writer of the past. Let's the historians do that job. L. Equitius Cincinnatus did not want to defend himself against a trial. It was his right. It is not the job of the Senate to endorse those who judge something unfair, without any public trial, by their own.
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS Uti rogas, though the language in the first section is rather inflammatory and hardly appropriate for a legal document. I welcome Cincinnatus back to us, and hope that he will resume his more active role in Nova Roma, including his flaminate.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87104 From: reenbru Date: 2012-02-06
Subject: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of 4
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A) Item 2: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) ITEM 2: PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012 (Item 2 SC Payments Jan 2012.pdf)
SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
I. The Senate approves the below specified payments to the following corporations:
1. $720.00 USD to Fredrik Consulting AB for Nova Roma web hosting 2011-09-01 to 2012-08-31
2. $245.00 USD to Ainsworth, Thelin & Raftice, P.A for services as Registered Agent
II. The Senate approves reimbursement payments of all amounts expended by the consular Publius
Ullerius Stephanus Venator during his consulship on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. This approval is
conditional on:
1. The presentation of invoices and/or receipts, in respect of such payments made by the consular
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator, to the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) of Nova Roma, or if that
position is unfilled then to the Consuls.
2. The invoices and/or receipts at II.1 being to the satisfaction of the CFO, or if that position is
unfilled then to the satisfaction of the Consuls, a payment of a debt owed by Nova Roma Inc.
3. Any original invoices and/or receipts submitted for payment at II.1 must be mailed to the CFO or if
that position is unfilled then to the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar. Such original invoices and/or
receipts must be retained and scanned copies of each subsequently uploaded to the files section
of the Senate list.
III. The Senate approves expenditure of no more than $50 USD for any required mandatory filing in
relation to the non-profit status of Nova Roma Inc. A confirmation post with a link to the relevant
Maine State government website showing the exact amount of the filing fee shall be posted to the
Senate list before such payment shall be made. Confirmation is also required that the requisite forms
have been submitted. The person filing them shall post this to the Senate list. In the absence of such
a link, then any other method of documentation/confirmation of the exact amount of the filing fee shall
be posted to the Senate list before such payment shall be made.
IV. The method of payment for the payments at I to III inclusive shall be from either:
1. Any appropriate account in the name of Nova Roma Inc. at the Bank of America, paid by cheque
by signed by two authorized signatories on such account.
2. If the appropriate account at IV.1 is unavailable or inaccessible for any reason then from the Pay
Pal account of Nova Roma Inc.
3. In the event that IV.b is the chosen method of payment, then the Senate authorizes Lucius
Cornelius Sulla Felix to execute such a transaction.
V. If any recipient of such payments at I to III inclusive does not have a corresponding Pay Pal account
to receive such a payment then the Senate authorizes Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix to pay the amount
required from his own funds on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. and to reimburse himself in full settlement
of only that exact amount expended.
VI. All other invoices and/or receipts apart from those at II.1 in respect of these payments must be dealt
with by the same process at II.3


C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I hope for new host as time the current one is expensive and not professional.
*DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS - though I would be more comfortable with the title of the office being used rather than the name of the person.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

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A) Item 3: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) ITEM 3: IT TASK FORCE (Item 3 SC IT Task Force_rev_1_new.pdf)
SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN
INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
I. The Senate authorizes the creation of an Information Technology Task Force (ITTF).
II. The mandate of the ITTF, which it is authorized to execute to completion, shall be:
1. The recovery of full control over the user identity log in codes and passwords for all aspects of the
Nova Roman website, web page and Wiki, including, but not limited to, the Censorial database
tools and cista.
2. The recovery of full control over the Nova Roman Internet domain name novaroma.org and to
take steps after such recovery to insure that the domain name, as well as any associated service
marks, are registered under the legal name of the corporation and not to any individual member
or official of Nova Roma.
3. The relocation of the Nova Roman domain to a USA based server and web host. Such a
relocation must seek the most competitive dollar rate possible for the maximum amount of upload
and download bandwidth, whilst providing the necessary level of technical and software support
services.
4. Any necessary repairs and updates to the Nova Roman Wiki.
5. Any other information technology based issue that is identified within the existing software of the
web page, Wiki and censorial database and cista, together with an evaluation of the CMS or other
non-wiki web platforms.
6. The backup to a storage medium of all messages on the Nova Roman forum (aka "The Main
List), all Senate lists and the censorial database.
7. A full and comprehensive investigation of the state of the current Nova Roman cista (as distinct
from the votingplace.net cista) and censorial database and tools to establish whether all or any of
this software needs to be:
a. Repaired or altered to conform with any actual or likely security requirements of a USA based
server and web host, and whether any such repair or alteration is likely to be an acceptable
risk and/or cost based on:
i. The degree of complexity involved to the integrity of the applications and data and the
assessed danger from any such repair or alteration.
ii. The length of time necessary to undertake such repairs or alterations.
iii. The cost of such repairs or alterations set against the likely remaining effective lifespan of
the applications and the likelihood and frequency of predicted or identified future repairs
and alterations.
b. Replaced due to the analysis of risk and/or cost at II.7.a
8. A full and comprehensive investigation of alternative applications in respect of any application
identified by the process at II.7.b and to estimate the dollar cost of such alternatives and to:
a. Report to the Senate the estimate if it is not revenue neutral expenditure and seek authority
for the purchase and deployment of such alternative applications.
b. Initiate the immediate design and testing of such applications only if it is revenue neutral
expenditure. Upon successful conclusion of such design and testing the ITTF will take the
necessary steps for the immediate deployment and use of such alternative applications.
III. The ITTF shall be a committee of the Senate chaired by the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, who is
authorized to appoint such persons of his choosing to the committee. Such persons need not be
members of the Senate and should have a required degree of technical skills and ability, with a
relevant background.
IV. The ITTF shall deliver, through the chair Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, a report to the Senate list every four
months commencing from the date of enactment of this Senatus consultum, until such time as its
mandate is completed.
V. Upon completion of its mandate the ITTF shall be dissolved.


C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS - If I may be permitted: We need a functional website that can be made secure. We don't need Latin sound effects the score of Gladiator or even Ben Hur as some people have said over the years. The attraction of Nova Roma is Nova Roma itself. We do not need bells and whistles on our website. Recall what a famous Roman Censor once spoke. Look to Greece for frivolity and in decision, look to Rome for sober consideration and people who fellow the Law."
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
*DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

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A) Item 4: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
B) ITEM 4: BUDGET 2765 (Item 4 SC Budget 2012_rev_1_new.pdf)
SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
The purpose of this Senatus consultum is to establish the Nova Roman budget for 2765 A.U.C. This is a
provisional budget until full control of the bank accounts is established. The operating fund, until the accounts are
recovered will be the Nova Roman PayPal account. The Senate authorizes all forecast estimated expenses up to
the amounts indicated below.

KNOWN EXPENSES $ NOTES

Registered Agent Fee (Arrears) 245.00
Web hosting (Part arrears & paid forward 2012) 720.00
TOTAL 965.00
FORECAST ESTIMATED EXPENSES

Postage and Mailing Fees 60.00
Directors and officers insurance 500.00
Discretionary Fund 200.00
General & Administrative
Bank Charges 50.00
Mailbox Rental 80.00
QuickBooks Online 480.00
Web Domain Registration - Paid for 2 years in 2010
Web Hosting (01-Sep-12 to 31-Aug-12) 720.00 Will be less after relocation to USA
TOTAL General & Administrative 1330.00
Legal & Professional
Filing Fees 50.00
Records Fees 10.00
Registered Agent (Annual fee) 200.00
Registered Agent (Consultation fee) 150.00
TOTAL Legal & Professional 410.00
PayPal Fees 150.00
Reimbursements 300.00 Estimated expended by consul 2011
TOTAL EXPENSES 3915.00
INCOME
Tax 2200.00 Assuming no loss/gain on 2011 amount
TOTAL INCOME 2200.00 Excludes interest, donations etc.
OPERATING FUND PayPal account
Payments account 2995.54
Funding account 3236.63
TOTAL OPERATING FUND - CURRENT 6232.17
NET INCOME (1715.00)
TOTAL OPERATING FUND – PROJECTED 4517.17


C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
*DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - ANTIQUO. - This budget is in deficit, even if fortunately some funds permit to prevent the entire bankruptcy of Nova Roma. The result is that this SC estimates a loss (net income) of $1715,00. This projection of less money this year in comparison with the last year is not ambitious.
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87105 From: reenbru Date: 2012-02-06
Subject: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 3 of 4
A) Item 6.b: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
B) ITEM 6.b: CURULE AEDILE (Item 6.b SC Curule Aedile.pdf)
SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE APPOINTMENT OF CURULE AEDILE
I. In recognition of the forthcoming ludi that need to be celebrated, and due to only two candidates having
stood for those magistracies for the year 2764 A.U.C and there being, as a result, no unsuccessful
candidates to draw from, and due to the constitutional provision for dealing with a mid-term vacancy not
applying, and due to the absence of candidates offering themselves for election as Curule aedile for this
year, and as there is no legal impediment or prohibition to prevent this, the Senate appoints Gaia Maria
Caeca as Curule aedile to serve out the remainder of this year, 2765 A.U.C., in that position.
II. Gaia Maria Caeca shall have all the honors, powers, and obligations of Curule aedile as at IV.A.4 of the
Constitution of Nova Roma, as though she had been elected to this position.
III. Gaia Maria Caeca shall be required to take the oath of office as required by the lex Iunia de iusiurando
IV. In accordance with III.A.1 of the Constitution of Nova Roma Gaia Maria Caeca will require the comitia
curiata to witness her appointment before she can exercise the rights and powers of imperium.


C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS - My congrats to C. Maria Caeca, appointment well deserved.
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS. - I see this item as a basic solution and a compromise to have games this year and through them, religious festivities. In normal circumstances, the right to decide was of comitia. When it comes about the appointed person, I know C. Maria deserve the trust and will perform with honor her duties.
*DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - ANTIQUO - We have to appoint a couple of Aediles curules. I recall that the magistracies are collegial, at least with 2 members or elected or appointed.
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS - et libentissime. Caeca will make a fine curule aedile
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

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A) Item 6.c: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE APPOINTMENT OF CUSTODES AND ASSISTANTS
I. In recognition of the absence of candidates offering themselves for election for custos for this year, and
as the provision at section V of the Lex Equitia de vigintisexviris appears concerned with filling a mid-term
vacancy, the Senate appoints as custos, each to serve out the remainder of this year 2765 A.U.C.
1. Titus Iulius Sabinus
2. Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus
II. Titus Iulius Sabinus and Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus shall have all the honors, powers,
and obligations of custos as II.D of the Lex Equitia de vigintisexviris, as though they had been elected to
this position.
III. Titus Iulius Sabinus and Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus shall be required to take the oath
of office as required by the lex Iunia de iusiurando.
IV. The Senate appoints Aulus Liburnius Hadrianus and Vibius Valerius Volusus to act as assistants to Titus
Iulius Sabinus and Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus and to act as their deputy should one or
both be unavailable at anytime during the course of any voting that requires use of the cista. No oath shall
be required of them.
V. Should either of the assistants also be presiding magistrate of a comitia when a vote is being held, that
assistant shall recuse themselves from the role of assistant and his position on the Nova Roman cista
account at votingplace.net shall be filled by the other assistant.
VI. Other than in the circumstances at section V, the custodes shall decide which of the assistants is
assigned to the cista account.

C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS - It is a necessary compromise to have a working voting platform for this year.
*DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

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A) Item 8: [passed - 12 in favor, 5 opposing]
B)ITEM 8: SENATE RULES (Item 8 SC Senate Rules_rev_3_new.pdf)
SENATUS CONSULTUM DE RATIONE SENATUS MMDCCLXV
As Yahoo does not allow messages exceeding 64Kb of content, I would respectfully ask all citizens to refer to the wiki version at: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Senatus_consultum_de_ratione_senatus_(Nova_Roma)


C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - ANTIQUO - The definition of "Senator" includes those who are not actual senators yet are in the Senate with voting privileges due to ex-magistracy or other terms of the lex Popillia. Our own law recognizes that these voting privileges do not make them senators.
*QFM* - ANTIQUO - I realize I'm the sole dissenting voice here, but the Vedian constitution does not define a Senator as someone with voting privileges in the Senate. The fact that a Lex was passed that does is not true to spirit of Nova Roma or the founders' wishes. The argument that this law served to keep Censors from remaking the Senate is specious. Not only did it fail, but now it is no longer needed and some better needs to replace such a confusing law.
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS - I wish we had been able to vote on some of this as individual items. As I have expressed to the Consul I am of the opinion that the Censors or at least most Censors can be trusted to moderate the Senate list. I have also expressed to him that while the Plebian vs Patrician ranking was real in Rome it is not in Nova Roma. Given the chance to vote individually I would have voted no on these few items.
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - ANTIQUO - In my opinion many rules it means many interpretations and indirectly many complications.
*DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - ANTIQUO - For the same reasons as the honorable senator C. Equitius Cato did and because the 2/3rd of the senate in the Constitution have changed with the Lex Popilia Senatoria without the process expected for any change of the Constitution. And this rules give a carte-blanche to an interpretation of the Lex Popillia senatoria in contradiction with the Constitution. I recall the 3 pilars of our res publica: Auctoritas (The Senate meeting and ordering by consulta), Libertas (People voting in the Comitia), Potestas (The magistrates acting through their edicts). These Senate rules make a confusion with Auctoritas and Potestas. That is another step for a Senate weakening
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - ANTIQUO - There are, of course, many fine points here even though the KISS principle has never come within a country mile of this document. However, the restrictions on the censores (despite being owners of the Senate list, and therefore entitled to privileges this would remove) and such matters as the definition of Senators as having been appointed by the Lex Popillia when I suspect that the membership of some members of this body preceded this legislation are among points which govern my rejection of this item.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to note that I share Senator Paulinus' concern that some things would have been better voted upon as individual items, but I recognize the tremendous job my colleague did in preparing this agenda, and the concern is a minor one.
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87106 From: reenbru Date: 2012-02-06
Subject: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 4 of 4
A) Item 9: [passed - 12 in favor, 5 opposing]
B) ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION AMENDMENT SENATUS CONSULTUM ON AN AMENDMENT TO NOVA ROMA INC. ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
The Senate authorizes this following amendment, numbered 1 to 8 inclusive, to the Articles of Incorporation of Nova Roma Inc.
1. As per §702.1 of Title 13-B: MAINE NONPROFIT CORPORATION ACT the number of directors of Nova Roma Inc. shall be fixed to a number that equals the product of the total number of Senators added to the total number of those former magistrates who are exercising the right to attend meetings of the Senate of
Nova Roma. Senators and former magistrates shall be directors of Nova Roma Inc.
2. Senators are defined as those persons who are classified by the Censors as Senators and are included
on the Album senatorum and who are classified as assidui.
3. Former magistrates are defined as those persons who are classified by the Censors as being
dictatorius, censorius, consularis, or praetorius, and who are classified as assidui.
4. "Exercising the right to attend meetings of the Senate of Nova Roma" is defined as being included on the
Album senatorum by the Censors.
5. The process by which any adjustment shall be made to the number of directors who are Senators is as
defined in the Lex Popillia senatoria
6. The process by which any adjustment shall be made to the number of directors who are former
magistrates shall be either their inclusion or removal from the Album senatorum by the Censors.
7. For the purposes of §702.1 of Title 13-B: MAINE NONPROFIT CORPORATION ACT time to time shall be defined as either at a minimum of after every census within Nova Roma or more often than that as
determined by the Censors on an as needed basis.
8. For the purposes of §702.1 of Title 13-B: MAINE NONPROFIT CORPORATION ACT bylaws are defined as any censorial edictum and the Lex Popillia senatoria.

C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - ANTIQUO - (Section 4) I do not believe that non-senators should be included in the Album Senatorum, regardless of what past practice has been. I believe that the Album Senatorum should properly consist of senators and senators alone. (Section 5) Since there is a question as to whether or not the lex Popillia should be repealed, including it in our Articles of Incorporation is a problem. In addition, I do not believe that our Articles of Incorporation should *ever* include reference to specific internal leges, as the repeal of any such leges would require the re-writing of the Articles of Incorporation to remove mention of them.
*QFM* - ANTIQUO - This needs more work. It needs to be rewritten and brought before the house once again.
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS - I wish we had been able to vote on some of this as individual items. As I have expressed to the Consul I am of the opinion that the Censors or at least most Censors can be trusted to moderate the Senate list. I have also expressed to him that while the Plebian vs Patrician ranking was real in Rome it is not in Nova Roma. Given the chance to vote individually I would have voted no on these few items.
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - ANTIQUO - This item purpose was not concluded yet.
*DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - ANTIQUO - The SC make an interpretation of the lex Popillia Senatoria about the number of senators with the number of members who may vote in the Senate meetings
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - ANTIQUO - I agree with Senatores Cato and Dexter on this. In addition, the first point is rather peculiar: How are we to obtain this number? Are we to multiply the number of senators by the number of magistrates? Are we to add them? Product typically signifies multiplication... Moreover, some of the definitions seem rather circular: one is a Senator is one is in the Album Senatorium [which likely can be altered by anyone with access]. Perhaps this does need improvement, and resubmission at a later date.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

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A) Item 11: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
B) ITEM 11: PROVOCATIO COMMITTEE (Item 11 SC Provocatio.pdf)
SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF A SENATE COMMITTEE CONCERNING THE CREATION OF THE PROVOCATIO PROCESS
I. The Senate authorizes the creation of a committee of the Senate to establish the process by which
the Nova Roman constitutional right of provocatio can be administered. This shall be known as the
Provocatio Committee.
II. The mandate of the Provocatio Committee shall be:
1. To establish the objectives of a provocatio process.
2. To identify and/or establish any limitations, legal, practical or otherwise of a provocatio process.
3. To establish the proposed legal framework under which a provocatio appeal shall operate within
Nova Roma, whilst ensuring that the framework does not conflict with the Constitution and leges
of Nova Roma.
4. To ensure that the proposed legal framework at II.3 also accommodates any appeals that may be
forthcoming as a result of any hearings or trials that may be conducted under the authority of any
lex currently in force.
5. To ensure that the proposed legal framework at II.3 can meet the constitutional intent of
provocatio.
6. To ensure that the proposed legal framework at II.3 can accommodate in an efficient and
equitable manner multiple identical, or similar claims, of provocatio arising from one related
incident and to establish the legal principles under which such multiple claims may be
administered.
7. To ensure that any sanctions that may be imposed through the provocatio process are not in
conflict with the Constitution or any lex currently in force.
8. To provide regular reports to the Senate list at a frequency to be determined by the chair of the
Provocatio Committee.
9. When the mandate is complete from II.1 to II.7 inclusive, to present the proposed legal framework
to the Senate for debate and a vote, by way of Senatus consultum passed by simple majority, to
endorse such a framework with Senatorial approval.
10. If the proposed process is endorsed as at II.9, then to draft a proposed lex incorporating any
observations made in the Senatus consultum
11. To execute such further tasks as the Senate may see fit to add, by way of amending Senatus
consultum, to the mandate.
III. The Provocatio Committee shall present the proposed lex at II.9 to both the consuls for review when
completed.
IV. The consuls shall either both approve the proposed lex, or it shall be returned to the Provocatio
Committee for any amendments required.
V. Once both consuls are satisfied with the proposed lex they shall arrange for the matter to be put to
the relevant comitia, such comitia being selected based on the scope of the proposed legal
framework and/or the proposed lex.
VI. The chair of the Provocatio Committee shall be Marcus Minucius Audens
VII. Members of the Provocatio Committee, apart from the chair, shall be Marcus Cornelius Gualterus
Graecus, Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia, Gaius Equitius Cato, Gaius Petronius Dexter and
Vibius Valerius Volusus.
VIII. No other persons, other than those at sections VI and VII, shall be members of the Provocatio
Committee without a further Senatus consultum being enacted to enable this.
IX. The chair of the Provocatio Committee shall determine the internal rules under which it operates.
X. Upon presentation of the proposed lex and it receiving the approval of both consuls as at section IV of
this Senatus consultum, the Provocatio Committee shall be dissolved.

C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS - Since wrote a paper on this very subject for my Roman Jurisprudence class I am in a unique
position to aid a committee
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS
*DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to see a greater diversity in perspectives than seem to be present in this group, however.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

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A) Item 12: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
B) ITEM 12: DERIVING MEANING (Item 12 SC Deriving meaning_rev_2_new.pdf)
SENATUS CONSULTUM ON DERIVING MEANING FROM LEGAL AUTHORITIES
The Senate establishes the following as a common code for deriving meaning from any of the legal code that
have no established process of their own to facilitate that.
I. The Senate, recognizing that the legal authorities, as defined at I.B Constitution of Nova Roma, may not
possess an integral process to establish meaning from sections, phrases and words where such meaning
is unclear or disputed, institutes the following mandatory methodology to be applied in order to create a
uniform standard of deriving such meaning. This methodology only applies to any such legal authority that
does not posses its own integral process to establish such meaning in respect of its own contents, where
such a process is clearly indicated as a dispute resolution and/or interpretative methodology.
II. The magistrates as defined at IV.A, IV.B.2 of the Constitution of Nova Roma, as well as all provincial
governors and magistrates of oppida and municipia and all other appointed or elected officials of Nova
Roma must adopt and use this methodology established in this Senatus consultum in order to derive such
meaning when there is a dispute or uncertainty as regards a section over (but not limited to) its:

1. Intent
2. Meaning
3. Consequence(s)
4. Limit(s)
5. Condition(s)
6. Conflict with one or more other legal authorities
7. Unforeseen situations
8. Scope
9. Unjust result
10. (Any other dispute not specified in II.1 to II.9 inclusive)

III. The literal rule or plain meaning rule must be adopted to resolve any of the disputes at II.1 to II.10
inclusive, which shall be defined for the purposes of this Senatus consultum as the process of examining
each word and establishing a meaning based on reference to:

1. http://dictionary.findlaw.com/definition/reference.html
2. http://www.merriam-webster.com/

IV. Each word in the section or phrase subject of the dispute at II.1 to II.10 inclusive shall be searched first
within III.1. If a meaning is found then this shall be the only meaning that shall be adopted and no search
shall be made within III.2, but if that search of III.1 does not find a meaning then III.2 shall be searched
and then this shall be the only meaning that shall be adopted.
V. In the event a search of III.2 does not find a meaning then the word not found shall be ignored. Any
obvious spelling mistakes in the word shall be ignored and the correct spelling substituted for the
purposes of the searches at III.1 and/or III.2. With words that are inflected, a search should be made on
the free morpheme element of that word.
VI. If the dispute or uncertainty at section II is over the alleged meaning of a section, phrase or word and one
meaning is held to exist by one or more parties to the dispute, and denied by one or more other parties to
the dispute then the definitive test of meaning shall be, after the searches at III.1 and/or III.2 have been
completed on all the words in the section, phrase or word, whether the alleged meaning is found within
the meaning(s) discovered during such searches at III.1 and/or III.2.
VII. If the alleged meaning at section VI is found then that section, phrase or word shall be assigned that
meaning as its final and lawful meaning and shall for the purposes of deriving meaning and resolving the
dispute or uncertainty prove that the alleged meaning is true.
VIII. It is forbidden for the alleged meaning at VI to be implied or inferred from the meanings found. It has to be present in the searches at III.1 and/or III.2 in the exact word(s) that form the alleged meaning. The
alleged meaning has to be present in the immediate result of the searches at III.1 and/or III.2. Continuing
such searches, or drilling down, on any phrase or word that was in the immediate results of a search at
III.1 and/or III.2 for the purpose of trying to find the alleged meaning is forbidden. Only one search shall
be conducted using the dictionaries at III.1 and/or III.2.
IX. If the searches at III.1 and/or III.2 reveal an absence of any such exact word(s) as are in what is held to
be the alleged meaning, by any of the parties to the dispute or uncertainty, then that shall be the final and
lawful proof that such an alleged meaning is false.
X. If as a result of the searches at III.1 and/or III.2 it is held by one or more parties to the dispute or
uncertainty that the derived literal meaning is a legal absurdity, or some other issue is alleged to have
arisen, or still exist, from the searches at III.1 and/or III.2 then a consul or praetor shall apply his/her own
interpretation of the result of such searches, and his/her interpretation shall be held to be the final and
lawful meaning of the section, phrase or word. Such an interpretation by a consul or praetor shall be
deemed to be with the full legal authority of this Senatus consultum applied to it and through it. Such an
interpretation by a consul or praetor shall be lawful even if that consul or praetor is a party to the dispute.
XI. In the event that there is a dispute or uncertainty over any section, phrase or word of this Senatus
consultum then, regardless of section II, the process to establish meaning from any section, phrase or
word where such meaning is unclear or disputed shall be by the interpretation of a Consul or Praetor and
his/her interpretation shall be held to be the final and lawful meaning of the section, phrase or word. Such
an interpretation by a consul or praetor shall be deemed to be with the full legal authority of this Senatus
consultum applied to it and through it.
XII. The final and lawful proof so established at VII shall be defined and applied as though that meaning was
contained within the legal instrument subject of the dispute or uncertainty and shall have the full authority
of this Senatus consultum applied to it and through it, as well as that of the legal authority subject of the
dispute or uncertainty.
XIII. In respect of grammar and punctuation used in the section, phrase or word subject of the dispute or
uncertainty, the grammatical and punctuation rules of American English shall be used to assist the consul
or praetor at section X of this Senatus consultum. The following shall be, for the purposes of this Senatus
consultum, the definitive and only permitted sources for use in respect to grammar and punctuation:

1. Grammar: http://www.bartleby.com/141/
2. Punctuation: http://www.grammarbook.com/

XIV. In respect of 1.C of the Lex Arminia Equitia de imperio, "the power to interpret the law within the duties of the magistrate holding the Potestas" shall be defined as a power exercised using the methodology
described in this Senatus consultum. It is the duty of the magistrate to follow this methodology and any
method of interpretation that does not fall within the terms, processes and scope of this Senatus
consultum is forbidden and illegal.
XV. In respect of 2.E of the Lex Arminia Equitia de imperio, "the power to interpret the law, on all levels on all Nova Roma subjects" shall be defined as a power exercised using the methodology described in this
Senatus consultum. Specifically "on all levels" is defined as all levels of the legal authorities as specified
at I.B Constitution of Nova Roma and does not confer upon such interpretation any greater legal authority
that would allow this Senatus consultum to be circumvented. It is the duty of the magistrate to follow this
methodology and any method of interpretation that does not fall within the terms, processes and scope of
this Senatus consultum is forbidden and illegal.
XVI. For the purposes of sections X or XI of this Senatus consultum, the interpretation of a consul shall prevail over that of a praetor if the opinions of both differ.
XVII. If for the purposes of sections X or XI both consuls disagree on such an interpretation, then the Senate by way of Senatus consultum passed by way of simple majority shall resolve the matter. Such a matter must
be put to the Senate at the next formal meeting of the Senate in session following such a disagreement.
Both interpretations must be offered to the Senate to vote upon. No other method of resolution is lawful.
Until the Senate resolves the matter no interpretation held as true by either consul shall be considered
final and lawful.

C) Votes
*MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
*SCA* - UTI ROGAS
*MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
*LCS* - UTI ROGAS
*CEC* - UTI ROGAS
*QFM* - UTI ROGAS
*TGP* - UTI ROGAS
*CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
*TIS* - UTI ROGAS
*DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
*MMA* - UTI ROGAS
*CPD* - UTI ROGAS
*GPL* - UTI ROGAS
*QSP* - UTI ROGAS
*ATS* - ANTIQUO - Although it is a good idea to have standard references, this seems to me rather heavy-handed. With luck, we won't have to define the various forms of the English word corresponding to the Latin esse [to be] or anything similar.
*GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
*GVA* - UTI ROGAS

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Valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87107 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-06
Subject: Re: [comitia_curiata_nr] Witness Statement
Avete!

I, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:
The appointment by Senatus consultum of C. Maria Caeca as aedilis curulis
of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her office
and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Lictor

Date: 2/6/2012

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Clint Johnson <willcanuck@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Salvete omnes
>
> I, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:
> The appointment by Senatus consultum of C. Maria Caeca as aedilis curulis
> of Nova Roma.
>
> As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her office
> and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.
>
> Valete omnes,
> C. Vipsanius Agrippa
> Lictor
>
> Date: 5 February 2012
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87108 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: MITHRACON: New England Conference on Mithraic Studies
Cn. Lentulus pontifex Quiritibus sal.

Nova Roma was invited, this year, too, to the 14th annual MITHRACON: New England Conference on Mithraic Studies.

http://www.mithracon.org/wp/

Valete in pace deorum!

CN LENTVLVS PONT


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87109 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: a.d. VII Id. Feb.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem VII Idus Februarius; hic dies nefastus est.

"The Veientes and Fidenates, who inhabited large and populous cities,
had in the reign of Romulus engaged in a war with the Romans for
command and sovereignty, and after losing many armies in the course of
the war and being punished by the loss of part of their territory,
they had been forced to become subjects of the conquerors; concerning
which I have given a precise account in the preceding Book. But
having enjoyed an uninterrupted peace during the reign of Numa
Pompilius, they had greatly increased in population, wealth and every
other form of prosperity. Elated, therefore, by these advantages, they
again aspired to freedom, assumed a bolder spirit and prepared to
yield obedience to the Romans no longer. For a time, indeed, their
intention of revolting remained undiscovered, but during the Alban war
it became manifest. For when they learned that the Romans had marched
out with all their forces to engaged the Albans, they thought that
they had now got the most favourable opportunity for their attack, and
through their most influential men they entered into a secret
conspiracy. It was arranged that all who were capable of bearing arms
should assemble in Fidenae, going secretly, a few at a time, so as to
escape as far as possible the notice of to against whom the plot was
aimed, and should remain there awaiting the moment when the armies of
the Romans and Albans should quit their camps and march out to battle,
the actual time to be indicated to them by means of signals given by
some scouts posted on the mountains; and as soon as the signals were
raised they were all to take arms and advance in haste against the
combatants (the road leading from Fidenae to the camps was not a long
one, but only a march of two or three hours at most), and appearing on
the battlefield at the time when presumably the conflict would be
over, they were to regard neither side as friends, but whether the
Romans or the Albans had won, were to slay the victors. This was the
plan of action on which the chiefs of those cities had determined.
If, therefore, the Albans, in their contempt for the Romans, had
rushed more boldly into an engagement and had resolved to stake
everything upon the issue of a single battle, nothing could have
hindered the treachery contrived against them from remaining secret
and both their armies from being destroyed. But as it was, their delay
in beginning war, contrary to all expectations, and the length of time
they employed in making their preparations were bringing their foes'
plans to nought. For some of the conspirators, either seeking to
compass their private advantage or envying their leaders and those who
had been the authors of the undertaking or fearing that others might
lay information — a thing which has often happened in conspiracies
where there are many accomplices and the execution is long delayed —
or being compelled by the will of Heaven, which could not consent that
a wicked design should meet with success, informed their enemies of
the treachery." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.6



"Muses, sweet-speaking daughters of Zeus Kronides and mistresses of
song, sing next of long-winged Moon! From her immortal head a
heaven-sent glow envelops the earth and great beauty arises under its
radiance. From her golden crown the dim air is made to glitter as her
rays turn night to noon, whenever bright Selene, having bathed her
beautiful skin in the Ocean, put on her shining rainment and harnessed
her proud-necked and glittering steeds, swiftly drives them on as
their manes play with the evening, dividing the months. Her great
orbit is full and as she waxes a most brilliant light appears in the
sky. Thus to mortals she is a sign and a token." - Homer, Hymn to Selene 2

In ancient Greece, today was dedicated to the goddess Selene. She
represents the full moon phase of the lunar cycle, along with Artemis
(the crescent new moon) and Hecate (the waning moon). Like her brother
Helius, she drives a chariot through the sky each night; hers is
usually drawn by two horses. By Zeus, she is the mother of Pandia
(All-bright) and Ersa (Dew). By Endymion, she is the mother of fifty
daughters, who represent the fifty lunar months that elapse between
each Olympiad. The days of the full and new moon were set aside for
her worship. Endymion was a beautiful shepherd boy of Asia Minor, the
mortal lover of the moon goddess Selene. Each night he was kissed to
sleep by her. She begged Zeus to grant him eternal life so she might
be able to embrace him forever. Endymion was allowed to choose what
he would, and he chose to sleep for ever, remaining deathless and
ageless. Zeus granted his wish. Every night Selene visits him on Mt.
Latmus.

In Rome, Luna ("moon") had a temple on the Aventine Hill. It was built
in the 6th century B.C. but was destroyed in the Great Fire of Rome
under Nero.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87110 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: Witnessing
I, C. Aemilius Crassus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:

The appointment by Senatus consultum of

C. Maria Caeca as aedilis curulis of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her office and
in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Respectfully,

C. Aemilius Crassus

Date: 7 February 2012

_____

Ego, C. Aemilius Crassus , lictor curiatus Novae Romae testificor:

C. Mariam Caecam aedilem curulem Novae Romae Senatus Consulto creari.

Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum ei opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime
officio munereque suo fungantur.

Datum a. d. VII Id. Feb. 2765 AVC.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87111 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: Testificor
Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, lictrix curiata Novae Romae, testificor: C.
Mariam Caecam aedilem curulem Novae Romae Senatús consulto creari.

Lictrix comitiorum curiatorum ei ut pro Religione Romaná felicissimé
officio munereque suo fungatur.

a. d. VII Idús Februarias a.u.c. MMDCCLXV


I, A. Tullia Scholastica, as a Lictrix of Nova Roma, hereby witness:
The appointment by Senatus consultum of C. Maria Caeca as aedilis curulis
of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her office and
in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Respectfully,

A. Tullia Scholastica

a.d. VII Id. Feb. a.u.c. MMDCCLXV



The Latin text for female lictrix:

Ego, [tria nomina] , lictrix curiata Novae Romae testificor:
C. Mariam Caecam aedilem curulem Novae Romae Senatus Consulto creari.

Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum ei opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime
officio munereque suo fungantur.

Datum [ The date ]




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87112 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: Re: Testificor
Ecce!




On 2/7/2012 4:55 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica wrote:
>
> Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, lictrix curiata Novae Romae, testificor: C.
> Mariam Caecam aedilem curulem Novae Romae Senatús consulto creari.
>
> Lictrix comitiorum curiatorum ei ut pro Religione Romaná felicissimé
> officio munereque suo fungatur.
>
> a. d. VII Idús Februarias a.u.c. MMDCCLXV
>
> I, A. Tullia Scholastica, as a Lictrix of Nova Roma, hereby witness:
> The appointment by Senatus consultum of C. Maria Caeca as aedilis curulis
> of Nova Roma.
>
> As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her
> office and
> in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
> a.d. VII Id. Feb. a.u.c. MMDCCLXV
>
>
> The Latin text for female lictrix:
>
> Ego, [tria nomina] , lictrix curiata Novae Romae testificor:
> C. Mariam Caecam aedilem curulem Novae Romae Senatus Consulto creari.
>
> Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum ei opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime
> officio munereque suo fungantur.
>
> Datum [ The date ]
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87113 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Re: [comitia_curiata_nr] Witness Statement
Ecce!



On 2/6/2012 10:38 PM, Robert Woolwine wrote:
>
> Avete!
>
> I, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:
> The appointment by Senatus consultum of C. Maria Caeca as aedilis
> curulis of Nova Roma.
>
> As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her
> office and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Lictor
>
> Date: 2/6/2012
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Clint Johnson <willcanuck@...
> <mailto:willcanuck@...>> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes
>
> I, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness:
> The appointment by Senatus consultum of C. Maria Caeca as aedilis
> curulis of Nova Roma.
>
> As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish her good fortune in her
> office and in her work on behalf of the Religio Romana.
>
> Valete omnes,
> C. Vipsanius Agrippa
> Lictor
>
> Date: 5 February 2012
>
>
>

--



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87114 From: C. Cocceius Spinula Date: 2012-02-07
Subject: Witnessing appointment
Salvete Quirites,
 
Ego, C. Cocceius Spinula, lictor curiatus Novae Romae testificor:

C. Mariam Caecam aedilem curulem Novae Romae Senatus Consulto creari.

Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime officiis muneribusque suis fungantur.

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I, C. Cocceius Spinula, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness the appointment by Senatus consultum of:

C. Maria Caeca as aedilis curulis of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.


Optime valete,

Gaius Cocceius Spinula

a.d. IV Id. Feb. A.U.C. MMDCCLXV

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87115 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-08
Subject: a.d. VI Id. Feb.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem VI Idus Februarius; hic dies nefastus est.

"These were the reasons urged by the two generals to support the
pretensions of their respective cities to the supremacy; and the
outcome of the discussion was the adoption of the plan Tullius
proposed. For both the Albans and Romans who were present at the
conference, in their desire to put a speedy end to the war, resolved
to decide the controversy by arms. This also being agreed to, the
question arose concerning the number of the combatants, since the two
generals were not of the same mind. For Tullius desired that the
fate of the war might be decided by the smallest possible number of
combatants, the most distinguished man among the Albans fighting the
bravest of the Romans in single combat, and he cheerfully offered
himself to fight for his own country, inviting the Alban leader to
emulate him. He pointed out that for those who have assumed the
command of armies combats for sovereignty and power are glorious, not
only when they conquer brave men, but also when they are conquered by
the brave; and he enumerated all the generals and kings who had risked
their lives for their country, regarding it as a reproach to them to
have a greater share of the honours than others but a smaller share of
the dangers. The Alban, however, while approving of the proposal to
commit the fate of the cities to a few champions, would not agree to
decide it by single combat. He owned that when commanders of the
armies were seeking to establish their own power a combat between them
for the supremacy was noble and necessary, but when states themselves
were contending for the first place he thought the risk of single
combat not only hazardous but even dishonourable, whether they met
with good or ill fortune. And he proposed that three chosen men
p55from each city should fight in the presence of all the Albans and
Romans, declaring that this was the most suitable number for deciding
any matter in controversy, as containing in itself a beginning, a
middle and an end. This proposal meeting with the approval of both
Romans and Albans, the conference broke up and each side returned to
its own camp.

After this the generals assembled their respective armies and gave
them an account both of what they had said to each other and of the
terms upon which they had agreed to put an end to the war. And both
armies having with great approbation ratified the agreement entered
into by their generals, there arose a wonderful emulation among the
officers and soldiers alike, since a great many were eager to carry
off the prize of valour in the combat and expressed their emulation
not only by their words but also by their actions, so that their
leaders found great difficulty in selecting the most suitable
champions. For if anyone was renowned for his illustrious ancestry or
remarkable for his strength of body, famous for some brave dee in
action, or distinguished by some other good fortune or bold
achievement, he insisted upon being chosen first among the three
champions. This emulation, which was running to great lengths in both
armies, was checked by the Alban general, who called to mind that some
divine providence, long since foreseeing this conflict between the two
cities, had arranged that their future champions should be sprung of
no obscure families and should be brave in arms, most comely in
appearance, and distinguished from the generality of mankind by their
birth, which should be unusual and wonderful because of its
extraordinary nature. It seems that Sicinius, an Alban, had at one
and the same time married his twin daughters to Horatius, a Roman, and
to Curiatius, an Alban; and the two wives came with child at the same
time and each was brought to bed, at her first lying-in, of three male
children. The parents, looking upon the event as a happy omen both to
their cities and families, brought up all these children till they
arrived at manhood. And Heaven, as I said in the beginning, gave them
beauty and strength and nobility of mind, so that they were not
inferior to any of those most highly endowed by Nature. It was to
these men that Fufetius resolved to commit the combat for supremacy;
and having invited the Roman king to a conference, he addressed him as
follows..." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.12-13


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87116 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-09
Subject: The Senate is in session.
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritibus omnibus S.P.D.

The auspices were taken by C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus Augur and having been found to be propitious, Senior Consul Cn. Iulius Caesar has convened the Senate. The discussions began at 07:12 AM Roman time on February 9th, 2012 and will continue through 05:53 PM Roman time on February 23rd, 2012. Voting shall start thereafter at 6.52 AM Roman time on February 24th, 2012, lasting until 6.31 AM Roman time on February 27th.

For the information of the citizens of Nova Roma, here is a brief version of the Senate's agenda (which may be subject to change). Further details on the individual Items will also follow.
 
AGENDA:
I. Senate committees - establishment and staffing of: (Debate + Vote)
II. Governors – prorogations and appointments (Debate + Vote)
III. Tax rate 2012 / 2013 (Debate + Vote)
IV. Nova Roma reborn plan (Debate)
V. Provinces - future nature and structure (Debate + Vote)
VI. Proposal to create Decuria or viri legibus scribendis - scribes skilled in English to assist magistrates (especially non-native English speakers) in crafting legislative items (Debate + Vote)
VII. Division of Nova Britannia into two provinces - Marcus Minucius Audens to present item (Debate + Vote)
VIII. Provinces of Activity - ensuring continuity of policy decisions (Debate + Vote)
IX. Nova Roma seal - proposal to adopt a seal for use on documents - Tiberius Galerius Paulinus to present item (Debate + Vote)
X. Magna Mater fund – transfer of Nova Roma’s contributions back to general fund (Debate + Vote)
XI. Nova Roma flags - proposal for production and sale - Tiberius Galerius Paulinus to present item (Debate + Vote)
XII. Existing Articles of Incorporation issues - ratification of ones filed, corrections as required, and creation of a process for future AoI alterations and additions. (Debate + Vote)
XIII. Validation of payments - CFO requirements to ensure tax payments are validated and recorded accurately and promptly (Debate + Vote)
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87117 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-09
Subject: a.d. V Id. Feb.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem V Idus Februarius; hic dies nefastus est.

"[Fufetius speaks] 'Tullius, some god who keeps watch over both our
cities would seem, just as upon many other occasions, so especially in
what relates to this combat to have made his goodwill manifest. For
that the champions who are to fight on behalf of all their people
should be found inferior to none in birth, brave in arms, most comely
in appearance, and that they should furthermore have been born of one
father and mother, and, most wonderful of all, that they should have
come p59into the world on the same day, the Horatii with you and the
Curiatii with us, all this, I say, has every appearance of a
remarkable instance of divine favour. Why, therefore, do we not
accept this great providence of the god and each of us invite the
triplets on his side to engage in the combat for the supremacy? For
not only all the other advantages which we could desire in the
best-qualified champions are to be found in these men, but, as they
are brothers, they will be more unwilling than any others among either
the Romans or the Albans to forsake their companions when in distress;
and furthermore, the emulation of the other youths, which cannot
easily be appeased in any other way, will be promptly settled. For I
surmise that among you also, as well as among the Albans, there is a
kind of strife among many of those who lay claim to bravery; but if we
inform them that some providential fortune has anticipated all human
efforts and has itself furnished us with champions qualified to engage
upon equal terms in the cause of the cities, we shall easily persuade
them to desist. For they will then look upon themselves as inferior to
the triplets, not in point of bravery, but only in respect of a
special boon of Nature and of the favour of a Chance that is equally
inclined toward both sides.'" - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.14


"I will remember and not be unmindful of Apollo who shoots afar. As he
goes through the house of Zeus, the gods tremble before him and all
spring up from their seats when he draws near, as he bends his bright
bow. But Leto alone stays by the side of Zeus who delights in thunder;
and then she unstrings his bow, and closes his quiver, and takes his
archery from his strong shoulders in her hands and hangs them on a
golden peg against a pillar of his father's house. Then she leads him
to a seat and makes him sit: and the Father gives him nectar in a
golden cup welcoming his dear son, while the other gods make him sit
down there, and queenly Leto rejoices because she bare a mighty son
and an archer. Rejoice, blessed Leto, for you bare glorious children,
the lord Apollo and Artemis who delights in arrows; her in Ortygia,
and him in rocky Delos, as you rested against the great mass of the
Cynthian hill hard by a palm-tree by the streams of Inopus." - Homer,
Hymn to the Delian Apollo

In ancient Greece, today was dedicated to Apollo. The son of Zeus and
Leto, and the twin brother of Artemis. Apollo was the god of music
(principally the lyre, and he directed the choir of the Muses) and
also of prophecy, colonization, medicine, archery (but not for war or
hunting), poetry, dance, intellectual inquiry and the carer of herds
and flocks. He was also a god of light, known as "Phoebus" (radiant or
beaming, and he was sometimes identified with Helios the sun god). He
was also the god of plague and was worshiped as Smintheus (from
sminthos, rat) and as Parnopius (from parnops, grasshopper) and was
known as the destroyer of rats and locust, and according to Homer's
Iliad, Apollo shot arrows of plague into the Greek camp. Apollo being
the god of religious healing would give those guilty of murder and
other immoral deeds a ritual purification. Sacred to Apollo are the
swan (one legend says that Apollo flew on the back of a swan to the
land of the Hyperboreans, he would spend the winter months among
them), the wolf and the dolphin. His attributes are the bow and
arrows, on his head a laurel crown, and the cithara (or lyre) and
plectrum. But his most famous attribute is the tripod, the symbol of
his prophetic powers.

When the goddesss Hera, the wife of Zeus (it was he who had coupled
with Leto) found out about Leto's pregnancy, she was outraged with
jealousy. Seeking revenge Hera forced Leto to roam the earth in search
of a place to give birth. Sicne Hera had forbidden Leto to stay
anywhere on earth, either on terra-ferma or an island at sea, the only
place to seek shelter was Delos, being in the center of the Aegean,
and also difficult to reach, as there were strong under-currents,
because it was said to be a floating island. Because it was a floating
island, it was not considered either of Hera's prohibitions, and so
Leto was able to give birth to the divine twins Apollo and Artemis
(before Leto gave birth to Apollo, the island was encircled by a flock
of swans, this is why the swan was sacred to him). As a gesture of
thanks Delos was secured to the sea-bed by four columns to give it
stability, and from then on it became one of the most important
sanctuaries to Apollo. (A variation of Apollo's birth was that the
jealous Hera had incarcerated Ilithyia, the goddess of childbirth, but
the other gods intervened forcing Hera to release Ilithyia, which
allowed Leto to give birth).

"I sprang upon the ship in the form of a dolphin, pray to me as Apollo
Delphinius; also the altar itself shall be called Delphinius ..." -
Homer, Hymn to the Pythian Apollo 493

Apollo's first achievement was to rid Pytho (Delphi) of the serpent
(or dragon) Python. This monstrous beast protected the sanctuary of
Pytho from its lair beside the Castalian Spring. There it stood guard
while the "Sibyl" gave out her prophecies as she inhaled the trance
inducing vapors from an open chasm. Apollo killed Python with his bow
and arrows (Homer wrote "he killed the fearsome dragon Python,
piercing it with his darts"). Apollo not only took charge of the
oracle but rid the neighboring countryside of widespread destruction,
as Python had destroyed crops, sacked villages and polluted streams
and springs. However, to make amends for killing Python, as the
fearsome beast was the son of Gaia, Apollo had to serve king Admetus
for nine years (in some versions eight) as a cowherd. This he did, and
when he returned to Pytho he came in the guise of a dolphin bringing
with him priests from Crete (Apollo's cult title "Delphinios" meaning
dolphin or porpoise, is probably how Delphi was so named). After
killing Python and taking possession of the oracle, the god of light
(Phobus) became known as "Pythian Apollo". He dedicated a bronze
tripod to the sanctuary and bestowed divine powers on one of the
priestesses, and she became known as the "Pythia". It was she who
inhaled the hallucinating vapors from the fissure in the temple floor,
while she sat on a tripod chewing laurel leaves. After she mumbled her
answer, a male priest would translate it for the supplicant. Delphi
became the most important oracle center of Apollo, there were several
including Clarus and Branchidae.

Apollo, as with Zeus his father, had many love affairs with goddesses
and mortals. Apollo's infatuation for the nymph Daphne, which had been
invoked by the young god of love Eros, because Apollo had mocked him,
saying his archery skills were pathetic, and Apollo's singing had also
irritated him. Daphne was the beautiful daughter of the river god
Ladon, and she was constantly pursued by Apollo. To escape from
Apollo's insistent behavior, she fled to the mountains, but the
persistent Apollo followed her. Annoyed by this, she asked the river
god Peneus for help, which he did. As soon as Apollo approached
Daphne, he tried to embrace her, but when he stretched out his arms
she transformed into a laurel tree. Apollo, distraught by what had
happened, made the laurel his sacred tree. Apollo also loved Cyrene,
she was another nymph, and she bore Apollo a son: Aristaeus, a
demi-god, who became a protector of cattle and fruit trees, and a
deity of hunting, husbandry and bee-keeping. He taught men dairy
skills and the use of nets and traps in hunting.

The most famous mortal loves of Apollo was Hecuba, she was the wife of
Priam, the king of Troy. She bore him Troilius. Foretold by an oracle,
as long as Troilius reached the age of twenty, Troy could not be
defeated. But the hero Achilles ambushed and killed him, when the
young prince and his sister Polyxena secretly visited a spring. Apollo
also fell in love with Cassandra, the sister of Troilius, and daughter
of Hecuba and Priam. He seduced Cassandra on the promise that he would
teach her the art of prophecy, but having learnt the prophetic art she
rejected him. Apollo, being angry of her rejection punished her, by
declaring her prophecies never to be accepted or believed.

Asclepius, the god of healing, was also Apollo's offspring, after his
union with Coronis, who was daughter of Phlegyas, king of the Lapiths.
While she was pregnant by Apollo, Coronis fell in love with Ischys,
son of Elatus, but a crow informed Apollo of the affair. Apollo sent
his twin sister Artemis to kill Coronis, and Artemis carried out he
brothers wishes. While her body was burning on the funeral pyre,
Apollo removed the unborn child, and took him to Chiron, who raised
the child Asclepius.

Apollo also, as did his father Zeus, fall in love with one of his own
gender, Hyacinthus, a Spartan prince. He was very handsome and
athletic, which inflamed the passions of Apollo. One day while Apollo
and Hyacinthus were practicing throwing the discus, Zephyrus, the god
of the west wind, who was also attracted to the young prince, and
jealous of Apollo's amorous affection towards the boy, made the discus
veer off course by blowing an ill wind. The discus, which Apollo had
thrown, hit Hyacinthus, smashing his skull. Apollo rushed to him, but
he was dead. The god was overcome with grief, but to immortalize the
love he had for the beautiful youth, he had a flower grow were his
blood had stained the earth. Apollo also loved the young boy
Cyparissus, a descendant of Heracles. The impassioned Apollo gave
Cyparissus a sacred deer, as a love token. The young deer became tame,
and was the constant companion of the boy, until a tragic accident
occurred. As the young deer lay sleeping in the shade of the
undergrowth, Cyparissus threw his javelin, which by chance hit, and
killed the deer. Grief-stricken by what had happened, Cyparissus
wanted to die. He asked Apollo to let his tears fall for all eternity.
With apprehension Apollo transformed the boy into a tree, the cypress,
which became the symbol of sorrow, as the sap on its trunk forms
droplets, like tears.

Apollo could also be ruthless when he was angered. The mortal Niobe,
boasted to Apollo's mother Leto, that she had fourteen children (in
some versions six or seven), which must make her more superior than
Leto, who had only bore two. Apollo greatly angered by this slew her
sons, and Artemis killed Niobe's daughters. Niobe wept so much that
she turned into a pillar of stone. Apollo was infuriated when the
satyr Marsyas challenged Apollo to music contest. After winning the
competition, Apollo had Marsyas flayed alive, for being so
presumptuous, as to challenge a god.

Apollo was worshiped throughout the Greek world, and at Delphi every
four years they held the Pythian Games in his honor. He had many
epithets, including "Pythian Apollo" (his name at Delphi), "Apollo
Apotropaeus" (Apollo who averts evil), and "Apollo Nymphegetes"
(Apollo who looks after the Nymphs). As the god of shepherds he also
had the cult titles "Lukeios" (from lykos; wolf), protecting the
flocks from wolfs, and "Nomius" (of pastures, belonging to shepherds).
Being the god of colonists, Apollo influenced his priests at Delphi to
give divine guidance, as to where the expedition should proceed. This
was during the height of the colonizing era circa 750-550 BC.
Apollo's title was "Archigetes" (leader of colonists). According to
one legend, it was Apollo who helped either Cretan or Arcadian
colonists found the city of Troy.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87118 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-10
Subject: a.d. IV Id. Feb.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem IV Idus Februarius; hic dies nefastus est.

"After Fufetius had thus spoken and his proposal had been received
with general approbation (for the most important both of the Romans
and Albans were with the two leaders), Tullius, after a short
pause, spoke as follows:

[Tullius speaks] 'In other respects, Fufetius, you seem to me to
have reasoned well; for it must be some wonderful fortune that has
produced in both our cities in our generation a similarity of birth
never known before. But of one consideration you seem to be unaware —
a matter which will cause great reluctance in the youths if we ask
them to fight with one another. For the mother of our Horatii is
sister to the mother of the Alban Curiatii, and the young men have
been brought up in the arms of both the women and cherish and love one
another no less than their own brothers. Consider, therefore, whether,
as they are cousins and have been brought up together, it would not be
impious in us to put arms in their hands and invite them to mutual
slaughter. For the pollution of kindred blood, if they are compelled
to stain their hands with one another's blood, will deservedly fall
upon us who compel them.'

To this Fufetius answered: 'Neither have I failed, Tullius, to note
the kinship of the youths, nor did I purpose to compel them to fight
with their cousins unless they themselves were inclined to undertake
the combat. But as soon as this plan came into my mind I sent for the
Alban Curiatii and sacred them in private to learn whether they were
willing to engage in the combat; and it was only after they had
accepted the proposal with incredible and wonderful alacrity that I
decided to disclose my plan and bring it forward for consideration.
And I advise you to take the same course yourself — to send for the
triplets on your side and sound out their disposition. And if they,
too, agree of their own accord to risk their lives for their country,
accept the favour; but if hesitate, bring no compulsion to bear upon
them. I predict, however, the same result with them as with our own
youths — that is, if they are such men as we have been informed, like
the few most highly endowed by Nature, and are brave in arms; for the
reputation of their valour has reached us also.' " - Dionysius of
Halicarnassus 3.15


On this day, tradition says, Pharoah Thutmosis III of Egypt was
victorious in a battle on the plains of Meggido in Palestine in1468
B.C. Tuthmosis III fought with considerable nerve and cunning. On
this campaign, he marched to Gaza in ten days and from Yehem, planned
the battle to take take Megiddo which was held by a rebellious prince
named Kadesh. There were three possible approaches to Megiddo, two of
which were fairly open, straightforward routes while the third was
through a narrow pass that soldiers would only be able to march
through in single file.

Though he was advised against this dangerous pass by his commanders,
Tuthmosis not only took this dangerous route, but actually led the
troops through. Whether by luck, or gifted intuition this gamble paid
off, for when he emerged from the tight canyon, he saw that his
enemies had arranged their armies to defend the easier routes. In
fact, he emerged between the north and south wings of the enemy's
armies, and the next day decisively beat them in battle. It apparently
took a long siege (seven months) to take the city of Megiddo, but the
rewards were great. The spoils were considerable, and included 894
chariots, including two covered with gold, 200 suites of armor
including two of bronze, as well as over 2,000 horses and 25,000 other
animals. The human slaughter was so great (some casualty estimates
range between 30,000 - 50,000) that the site of the battle passed into
local lore; both Hebrew and Christian tradition have the final battle
between Good and Evil taking place at "har-Meggidon" or Armaggedon.

Tuthmosis III had marched from Thebes up the Syrian coast fighting
decisive battles, capturing three cities, and then returned back to
Thebes. Over the next 18 years, his armies would march against Syria
every summer and by the end of that period, he established Egyptian
dominance over Palestine. At Karnak he records the capture of 350
cities, and in the 42nd year of his rule, Kadesh itself was finally taken.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87119 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-11
Subject: a.d. III Id. Feb.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem III Idus Februarius; hic dies nefastus est.

"Our earliest government was monarchy, under which constitution we
lived till the seventh generation. And during all these reigns the
people never suffered any loss of rights at the hands of their kings,
and least of all from those who reigned last, to say nothing of the
many important advantages they enjoyed from their rule. For, besides
the other methods the kings used of courting and flattering the people
in order to win them to themselves and make them enemies to you —
which is the practice of all rulers who aim at extending their power
to tyranny — when they had made themselves masters of Suessa, a very
prosperous city, after a long war, and had it in their power to grant
no part of the spoils to anyone, but to appropriate the whole to
themselves and surpass all other kings in riches, they did not think
fit to do so, but brought out all the booty and placed it at the
disposal of the army, so that, besides the slaves, cattle and the
other spoils, which were many and of great value, every one of us
received five minae of silver for his share. But we disregarded all
this when they used their power more in the manner of tyrants to
injure, not us, to be sure, but you; and resenting their behaviour, we
gave up our affection for our kings and joined you, and rising with
you against them, both those of us who were in the city and those in
camp, we drove them out, and bringing to you their power, entrusted it
to you. And though it was often possible for us to go over to the side
of the expelled kings, yet we scorned to accept the lavish gifts they
offered us to induce us to violate our pledge to you, but patiently
endured many great and continuous wars and dangers on your account.
And up to this time, which is the seventeenth year, we have been worn
out with fighting against all mankind for our common liberty. For
while the government was still unsettled — as often happens in the
case of sudden revolutions — we ventured to contend with the two most
renowned cities of the Tyrrhenians, Tarquinii and Veii, when they
sought with a large army to restore the kings; and fighting, a few
against many, and displaying the greatest enthusiasm, we not only
overcame and drove back these foes, but preserved the power for the
surviving consul. Not long afterwards, when Porsena, king of the
Tyrrhenians, was also endeavouring to restore the exiles both with the
united forces of all Tyrrhenia commanded by himself and with those
which the others had long before raised, we, though unprovided with an
adequate army, and for that reason forced to undergo a siege and
reduced to the last extremity and to a dearth of everything, yet by
enduring all these hardships forced him to depart after first becoming
our friend. And last of all, when the kings for the third time sought
to effect their restoration with the aid of the Latin nation and
brought against us thirty cities, we, seeing you entreating,
lamenting, calling upon every one of us, and reminding us of our
friendship, our common rearing, and the campaigns we had shared
together, could not bear to abandon you. But looking upon it as a most
honourable and glorious thing to give your battles, we rushed into the
midst of perils and hazarded on that occasion surely the greatest
danger of all, in which, after we had received many wounds and lost
many of our relations, companions and comrades in arms, we overcame
the enemy, killed their generals, and destroyed the whole royal
family." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus, "Roman Histories" VI.74

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87120 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Lex de Imperio C. Mariae Caecae aedilis curulis MMDCCLXV a.u.c.
C. Petronius Dexter Pontifex Maximus et lictrices et lictores salutem omnibus Quiritibus plurimam dicunt:

The auspices taken are favorable.

We, the lictors of the Comitia Curiata of Nova Roma, witness and recognize the appointment by Senatus Consultum of C. Maria Caeca as aedilis curulis of Nova Roma.

By this lex de imperio, as defined in the Lex Arminia Equitia de imperio, we confer imperium upon the magistrate:
C. Maria Caeca aedilis curulis.

This lex de imperio shall become effective on Id. Feb. MMDCCLXV a.u.c.(13 Feb. 2012) and shall remain in effect until pridie Kal. Ian MMDCCLXV a.u.c. (31 Dec. 2012).

Attested by the following lictrices and lictors of Nova Roma:

C. Popillius Laenas
Helena Galeria Aureliana
Cn. Iulius Caesar
C. Marcius Crispus
Q. Servilius Priscus
C. Vipsanius Agrippa
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
C. Aemilius Crassus
A. Tullia Scholastica
C. Cocceius Spinula

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS

Datum, pridie Idus Februarias, Cn. Iulio Caesare C. Tullio Valeriano Germanico consulibus.
( 12 February 2012)


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87121 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: prid. Id. Feb.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est pridie Idus Februarius; hic dies nefastus est.

"The youths upon hearing these words withdrew to one side, and after a
short conference together returned to give their answer; and the
eldest17 on behalf of them all spoke as follows: 'If we were free and
sole masters of our own decisions, Tullius, and you had given us the
opportunity to deliberate concerning the combat with our cousins, we
should without further delay have given your our thoughts upon it. But
since our father is still living, without whose advice we do not think
it proper to say or do the least thing, we ask you to wait a short
time for our answer till we have talked with him.' Tullius having
commended their filial devotion and told them to do as they proposed,
they went home to their father. And acquainting him with the proposals
of Fufetius and with what Tullius had said to them and, last of all,
with their own answer, they desired his advice. And he answered and
said: 'But indeed this is dutiful conduct on your part, my sons, when
you live for your father and do nothing without my advice. But it is
time for you to show that you yourselves now have discretion in such
matters at least. Assume, therefore, that my life is now over, and let
me know what you yourselves would have chosen to do if you had
deliberated without your father upon your own affairs.' And the
eldest answered him thus: 'Father, we would have accepted this combat
for the supremacy and would have been ready to suffer whatever should
be the will of Heaven; for we had rather be dead than to live unworthy
both of you and of our ancestors. As for the bond of kinship with our
cousins, we shall not be the first to break it, but since it has
already been broken by fate, we shall acquiesce therein. For if the
Curiatii esteem kinship less than honour, the Horatii also will not
value the ties of blood more highly than valour.' Their father, upon
learning their disposition, rejoiced exceedingly, and lifting his
hands to Heaven, said he rendered thanks to the gods for having given
him noble sons. Then, throwing his arms about each in turn and giving
the tenderest of embraces and kisses, he said: 'You have my opinion
also, my brave sons. Go, then, to Tullius and give him the answer that
is both dutiful and honourable.' The youths went away pleased with
the exhortation of their father, and going to the king, they accepted
the combat; and he, after assembling the senate and sounding the
praises of the youths, sent ambassadors to the Alban to inform him
that the Romans accepted his proposal and would offer the Horatii to
fight for the sovereignty." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.17


"Muse, sing of Artemis, sister of the Far-shooter, the virgin who
delights in arrows, who was fostered with Apollo. She waters her
horses from Meles deep in reeds, and swiftly drives her all-golden
chariot through Smyrna to vine-clad Claros where Apollo, god of the
silver bow, sits waiting for the far-shooting goddess who delights in
arrows." - Homer, Hymn to Artemis 9 II.1-6

"I sing of Artemis, whose shafts are of gold, who cheers on the
hounds, the pure maiden, shooter of stags, who delights in archery,
own sister to Apollo with the golden sword. Over the shadowy hills and
windy peaks she draws her golden bow, rejoicing in the chase, and
sends out grievous shafts. The tops of the high mountains tremble and
the tangled wood echoes awesomely with the outcry of beasts:
earthquakes and the sea also where fishes shoal. But the goddess with
a bold heart turns every way destroying the race of wild beasts: and
when she is satisfied and has cheered her heart, this huntress who
delights in arrows slackens her supple bow and goes to the great house
of her dear brother Phoebus Apollo, to the rich land of Delphi, there
to order the lovely dance of the Muses and Graces. There she hangs up
her curved bow and her arrows, and heads and leads the dances,
gracefully arrayed, while all they utter their heavenly voice, singing
how neat-ankled Leto bare children supreme among the immortals both in
thought and in deed." - Homer, Hymn to Artemis 27 II.1-20

In ancient Greece, this day was held in honor of the goddess Artemis.
Artemis (as well as her twin brother, Apollo) was the daughter of the
goddess Leto and Zeus. Now, Hera wasn't too happy about her husband
Zeus messing around on her like that, and sent all sorts of horrible
things after Leto, like a gadfly and a serpent named Python. She also
made a decree that Leto could not be allowed to rest anywhere on solid
ground. Eventually, Leto made it to the island of Delos (which wasn't
called Delos) and could rest there (as it escaped Hera's decree that
Leto couldn't rest on solid ground, it was a floating island). But
even there, Hera forbid Ilythia, the goddess of childbirth, to come to
her aid. Eventually, the gods bribed Hera with a beautiful necklace,
and Eilithia went to Leto. Some stories say that Artemis, the first
born, was a relatively easy birth, but her brother definitely wasn't.
And so immediatly after she was born, Artemis became her mother's
midwife and after many painful hours brought her brother into the
world. So, since then, Artemis has been considered a protectress of
childbirth.

Even though Artemis could love most intensely, she could also be very
cold and unforgiving. This is a very god-like trait that every god and
goddess (barring Hestia) has, at some point, displayed. One well-known
story of her chilly personality has to do with the hunter Actaeon.
Artemis had just had a long day of hunting, and was sweaty and gross,
and ready for a nice bath. This was deep in the woods in a sacred
pool, and it wasn't very likely that anyone would come upon her. But
people of Actaeon's family had a history of bad luck, and he did just
that. Now, every man knows that if you see a naked goddess (unless it
is Aphrodite, or she invites you to see her naked) you run away, and
PRAY that she doesn't notice. But either Actaeon wasn't very bright or
he was so enraptured by her beauty that he didn't move. What he did
was stare. Bad idea. Artemis heard him, turned around, and in fury
threw water at him. As the the droplets hit him, he was transformed
into a stag. At that, Artemis whistled for his hounds, and they ripped
their unfortunate master apart.

Then there's Orion. Artemis and Orion began to develope a
relationship, but Orion was already involved with Eos. Apollo got
worried about the chastity of his sister, and started worrying that
Artemis would be as taken in as Eos. That doesn't really appear to be
the case, but Apollo was jealous, so he went and arranged with Gaia to
send an enormous scorpion after him. Now, some say that this animal
was just too much for Orion and killed him (and that Artemis was
furious at Apollo for a while, but relented when Apollo helped her
hang Orion in the sky). Another version says that Orion ran away from
the scorpion - or rather, swam away to Eos' island, hoping that the
goddess of Dawn would protect him. But then Apollo told his sister
that the figure bobbing in the sea was a villain who had just seduced
one of her priestesses. Then he challenged her to hit the bobbing
object. She did, and killed her friend unknowingly. She tried to get
Asclepius to revive him, but Zeus destroyed him before he got the
chance. And so ended Artemis' only romance before it could begin.

Among the epithets of Artemis are: Calliste ("most beautiful"),
Caryatis, Chryasor ("golden"), Eucleia ("well-named"), Phosphoros
("shimmering"), Peitho ("persuasive") and Partheneia ("virginal").

In Rome, Artemis was known as Diana.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87122 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Re: Lex de Imperio C. Mariae Caecae aedilis curulis MMDCCLXV a.u.c.
Ecce!

On 2/12/2012 9:32 AM, Gaius Petronius Dexter wrote:
>
> C. Petronius Dexter Pontifex Maximus et lictrices et lictores salutem
> omnibus Quiritibus plurimam dicunt:
>
> The auspices taken are favorable.
>
> We, the lictors of the Comitia Curiata of Nova Roma, witness and
> recognize the appointment by Senatus Consultum of C. Maria Caeca as
> aedilis curulis of Nova Roma.
>
> By this lex de imperio, as defined in the Lex Arminia Equitia de
> imperio, we confer imperium upon the magistrate:
> C. Maria Caeca aedilis curulis.
>
> This lex de imperio shall become effective on Id. Feb. MMDCCLXV
> a.u.c.(13 Feb. 2012) and shall remain in effect until pridie Kal. Ian
> MMDCCLXV a.u.c. (31 Dec. 2012).
>
> Attested by the following lictrices and lictors of Nova Roma:
>
> C. Popillius Laenas
> Helena Galeria Aureliana
> Cn. Iulius Caesar
> C. Marcius Crispus
> Q. Servilius Priscus
> C. Vipsanius Agrippa
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> C. Aemilius Crassus
> A. Tullia Scholastica
> C. Cocceius Spinula
>
> QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS
>
> Datum, pridie Idus Februarias, Cn. Iulio Caesare C. Tullio Valeriano
> Germanico consulibus.
> ( 12 February 2012)
>
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>
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87123 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM 1.a: Senate committees - establishment and s
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Tribunus Plebis Quiritibus Omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit.
 
Having Consul Gn. Iulius Caesar graciously granted that all citizens be kept informed on the Senate discussion, I am reporting his explanation for the Senatus Consultum "ITEM 1.a: Senate committees - establishment and staffing". I will also report on all other Items listed on the already published Senate agenda.
 
I will refrain to comment here on this, or on all further similar postings. I will though reply separately, were I to detect any attempt or intention to diminish the right of the Plebs or of the citizenry at large.
 
Optime Valete
ALH
 
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Cn. Caesar sal.

The current commitees are:

The Senate Committee on Rules
The Senate Committee on Incorporation
The Senate Budget and Finance Committee
The Senate Scholarship Committee
The Senate Conventus and Public Events Committee
The Senate Committee on Provincial affairs
The Senate External Relations Committee
The Information Technology Committee
The term of office of all remaining members (after the departure of a number of former Senators) ran out on January 1st this year.

As to the record of their productivity, the committees never achieved traction. Consuls tended to view them as either depositories for issues, that could be hived off and forgotten for their year, or the scope of the mandate was outside of the ability of the committee to make any progress within a year. Add to that the fact that 50% of them (Rules, Incorporation, Finance and IT) were essentially inward facing and focused on internal NR matters.

Specifically my assessment of the existing committees individually and how they fit into Senate affairs now (or don't) is as follows:
The Senate Committee on Rules is now redundant. Under our new rules the princeps senatus can create rules of session for unforeseen items and these will form the basis of possible amendments. The new rules are comprehensive enough to handle all foreseeable business. I ask for this committee to be abolished on the grounds of redundancy.

The Senate Committee on Incorporation is also redundant in my opinion. Issues with the Articles of Incorporation are being addressed, our CFO has corporate compliance in hand and the issue of how to resolve matters of conflict between Maine and our laws is more appropriate for the entire House, especially in formal session where the Tribunes can report to the people, than locked away in a committee list. Even if the committee agrees on X approach, the majority of the Senate may take a different view. That would be a lot of work for little result. Committees of this House function best with routine and non-controversial or polarized matters, since resolution to issues is more likely to be the outcome and the House won't often reject such recommendations. I ask for this committee to be abolished on the grounds of redundancy.

The Senate Budget and Finance Committee is necessary but needs a wider scope to include fund raising oversight. ask for this committee to be abolished on the grounds that its scope needs to be changed and mandate linked to other proposed new committees.

The Senate Scholarship Committee is fiscally redundant. We can't afford scholarships. A grandiose idea but beyond our capacity to replenish the grants from our income, so the benefit would be short lived, restricted to a few people only and fiscally damaging, since we may need all our liquid assets intact to pay for the routine expenses. If we erode our reserves at a time when our income isn't covering our expenses, then we will shorten the lifespan of Nova Roma fiscally as we know it. I ask for this committee to be abolished on the grounds that its objectives cannot be supported within a sound fiscal policy and will further erode our ability to balance the budget.

The Senate Conventus and Public Events Committee focuses too narrowly on the Conventus. This hasn't proved a success recently. Even in good years it costs money. It doesn't raise it. It also only benefits a few people directly. Again in a time of fiscal restraint we cannot afford to fund events that don't at least end up as revenue neutral. The state cannot support a meeting of this sort, but there is no barrier to the state helping organize it, just so long as the participants fund the event. If we reduce our reserves we reduce the life span of Nova Roma, because our expenses outstrip our income even without events like this. As for other public events I would like to keep that part under a new committee's mandate. I ask for this committee to be abolished on the grounds that it is too narrow in scope and concentration on the Conventus cannot be supported fiscally.

The Senate Committee on Provincial affairs became mired in internal issues and the scope of provincial matters is more appropriate for the House as a whole to debate. Governors are appointed by the House and should be reporting to the House via email to the consuls of the day. They should not be reporting to a committee. I ask for this committee to be abolished on the grounds that it has an inappropriately large scope and mandate, which is the preserve of the House as a whole.
The Senate External Relations Committee is redundant because again this is something the whole House should debate on a case by case basis. There will never be enough work anyway on this topic to currently or for the foreseeable future, justify a committee. I ask for this committee to be abolished on the grounds that it has an inappropriately large scope and mandate, which is the preserve of the House as a whole.

The Information Technology Committee has too great a scope and will get either mired in details that are the preserve of our CIO position (that we need to fill before the end of the year) or present unrealistic shopping lists of wants to the CIO and expect delivery of them (as happened before). Also we currently have the ITTF, and the work of that committee would be cut across by the work of the ITC. I ask for this committee to be abolished on the grounds that it is a duplication of effort and actually creates flash points of divergence and dispute with the CIO position.
I ask the House to replace the seven above that I recommend for abolition with:

1. The Senate Finance Committee - with a mandate of budget, expenditure, fund raising. This is

2. The Senate Communications Committee - internal and external outreach, maximizing opportunities for NR to increase its messaging, publicity, Senate articles in our Wiki etc.

3. The Senate Public Enterprise Committee - The promotion and/or coordination of citizen and official NR projects

4. The Senate Civic Education Committee - Nova Roman based, or external, revenue neutral educational programs

5. The Senate Policy Committee - Ensuring Senate policy pursued long term through the development of a strategic view linked to medium to long-term goal planning.

We need sound fiscal policies, a sustained and continuous broadcast of our existence, goals and messaging, fruitful and relevant projects, the sharing of knowledge and sustained long-term goal planning and guidance.
Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87124 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: "ITEM I.b Provinces of Activity - ensuring continuity of policy deci
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
This is the rational of consul Cn. Iulius Caesar to the Senatus Consultum "ITEM I.b Provinces of Activity - ensuring continuity of policy decision".
 
Optime valete
ALH
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Cn. Caesar consul sal.
According to the Constitution the "supreme policy-making authority for Nova Roma shall be embodied in its Senate". Embodied maybe, but not yet successfully enabled. Year to year we make decisions that may have a medium to long term scope. It doesn't happen often, and it should and must happen more often, but it has occurred infrequently. Then often those infrequent policy Senatus consulta gather dust. They get lost in the events and crises of the day, from year to year. Look back through our archives you will find resolutions, plans, ideas - all abandoned.

Why?
Partly because the Senatus consulta don't specifically charge any magistrate with the responsibility for pursuing them in years to come, partly because the Senatus consulta don't set goals or way points for targets and deliverables that have to be met by "x" date, and partly because we don't have an effective watchdog to ensure this happens. In respect of the watchdog, I see the proposed Senate Policy Committee taking that on as part of its mandate. I see that committee expecting Senatus consulta to be crafted properly with those deliverables and goals set clearly in them, and magistrates charged with their execution. Even this is not enough though.

If Nova Roma is to advance, if it isn't just going to 'exist" year to year, if it isn't to mark time on the same spots, and if the Senate isn't going to revisit issues again and again, which all lends itself to the view that the Senate achieves precisely nothing, then we need to be able to take those policy Senatus consulta on a yearly basis and prioritize them and charge the next year's consuls with the pursuit and execution of those policy decisions we make. We need to assign them a province of activity. That activity would be drawn from our policy decisions or maybe an emergent issue.

I will be presenting a Senatus consultum that will establish the process of yearly assigning a Province of Activity (POA), such assignment by way of Senatus consultum passed by a single majority. The contents of this will be that prioritized list I described above, itself drawn from our existing Senatus consultum. Both consuls would receive a POA or they could be charged jointly with the same POA. That would be based on recommendations from the Senate Policy Committee I propose.
Here is an example.

In March 2013 the House passes three Senatus consulta that are concerned with the pursuit and execution of X project, an increase in income by 5% and the establishment of a new province. Works starts but it is clear it will go beyond 2013 to conclude all 3. Normally there is a high likelihood they would be lost and forgotten and everything would grind to a halt in 2014 onwards.
In I suggest October of 2013 the Policy Committee would present the consuls of 2013 will two proposed Senatus consulta assigning a POA to each of the consuls for 2014. In the above example each consul for 2014 would get one unique goal (say one gets creating the province, the other the project and both share joint responsibility for income). The House votes on the Senatus consulta and they pass. One is designated for the senior consul. One for the junior consul.

At the election time in 2013 the candidates for the consulship for 2014 (even those considering candidating) would know in advance what the POAs were. They could factor that in to their election posts. They would naturally be asked how they planned to execute the POAs.They could present their own plans plus have to account for the POAs. In essence they would have to have plans for both POAs and they wouldn't know if they were elected if they would be junior or Senior consul. So right from the start they have prior knowledge of the activities they have to undertake. There is no waffling later about "I didn't know I had to do that". The consuls of 2013 can feel they haven't wasted their year as the policies endorsed by the Senate will continue past their year.

The Senate can hold the consuls to account for mismanagement of their POA's if they ignore them for the whole year. We simply have to start to foster the expectation of jobs done properly. If we plan for people doing nothing or expect it, we sanction and tacitly endorse it. If our time spent here is to have value we must create a process for follow up of policy. This is basic organizational planning. This is also historic. Consuls were assigned provinces by the Senate and a POA is in addition to any geographic province they maybe assigned.
I will present a Senatus consultum in this session to establish this process. If the House sees fit to pass it, the assignment of POAs to the consuls of 2013 will be voted upon in October of this year.
 
Optime valete


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87125 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: "ITEM 1.c: Proposal to create Decuria or viri legibus scribendis"
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
This is the explanation of consul Cn. Iulius Caesar to the Senatus Consultum "ITEM 1.c: Proposal to create Decuria or viri legibus scribendis".
 
Optime valete
ALH
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Cn. Caesar consul sal.

This is the proposal of Gaius Petronius Dexter from the January session. The goal is to create a decuria of scribes appointed by the Senate, with English as a first language, who are skilled in vocabulary and grammar. They would assist in the crafting of legislation. Clarity of language is essential. If they have a proficiency in drafting bylaws that too would be a benefit. They must be neutral. Their job is not to advise the magistrate on the advisability, or costs/benefits of a particular edict, Senatus consulta, or lex, but only to draft it as the magistrate wants it drafted. There are quaestors (when we have them), magisterial scribes and accensi to perform the role of councilors. The decuria would not be mandatory to use, but a resource.

The counterpoint to this proposal was that of Gaius Cato, who suggested it be a Senatorial committee.
After I have concluded introducing the Agenda items, I would on this item invite both Gaius Petronius and Gaius Cato to speak to their proposals again if they wish and for the House to debate both proposals. I will make a decision based on that input and my own decisions as to which I put forward as a Senatus consultum for the House to vote on.

Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87126 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: "ITEM II.a: Sarmatia"
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
Following are excerpts from the report from the governor of Sarmatia to consul Cn. Iulius Caesar and the Senate. They pertain to "ITEM II.a: Sarmatia", on the agenda of consul Cn. Iulius Caesar.
 
Optime valete
 
ALH
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Cn. Caesar sal.
It is a distinct pleasure to bring to your attention certain parts of the provincial report from Sarmatia submitted to me by the governor Titus Flavius Severus, who is of course one of our tribunes. The full report will be placed in the files in respect of item II.b.
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SARMATIAN REPORT KEY FACTS
Key accomplishments:

- overcoming the political crisis in the province;
- created oppidum Aquilo;
- created oppidum Nova Caledonia;
- re-established reenactment community in provincia;
- created the material basis for the local community oppidum Aquilo, oppidum Nova Caledonia;
- created a new provincial forum;
- started work on the basic law of the province;
- on the basis of secondary school established Roman school (educational courses for disadvantaged children and orphans) in oppidum Aquilo;
- successfully held III Sarmatian Days in oppidum Nova Caledonia;
- leased premises for oppidum Aquilo, oppidum Nova Caledonia (created the offline offices).

Revenue 2764 a.u.c.: - Total: 5089 USD.
Planned budget for 2765 a.u.c.:

- 4800 USD donation to the Provincia by the oppidum Aquilo;
- 3900 USD donation to the Provincia by the oppidum Nova Caledonia;
- 6100 USD Municipal trust grant.

- Total: 14800 USD.
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So what does this tell us? In part that all the vainglorious huffing and puffing of the Corvian clique as they quit Nova Roma, proclaiming we had "lost Sarmatia", was proven false. We don't "lose" provinces anyway, we lose people. People come, people go, some stay. The governor of Sarmatia and the remaining loyal citizens, ones I remind the Senate who had been vilified by Corvus and his gang, set to work to rebuild the province. Look at their achievements. Look at their plans. They met their tax obligatiosn and went on to raise these amounts.

The point is also here, that under former administrations people would be advocating for a low tax rate for Sarmatia, on the basis of GDP and supposed financial pressures - yet look what these citizens have managed to raise. It is something to remember when complaints start about our ridiculously low tax rate. The Sarmatians are not picking up bottles and scrabbling for food. They are professional and dedicated citizens. When we look to what provinces can achieve this is an excellent example, of building something from the ground up. Also, they had a harder time than when Sarmatia was founded for then there was no backdrop of internal divisions of the scale we saw with Corvus.

I would like to congratulate our governor of Sarmatia, Titus Flavius Severus, and his praefectus Servius Marius Paullus, both tribunes this year, and all our Sarmatian citizens, for the exceptional work undertaken to secure and hold the province of Sarmatia together, and then to produce this result in the report.

Excellent work.
Optime valete


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87127 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors - prorogations and appointme
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
This is the explanation of consul Cn. Iulius Caesar for the Senatus Consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors - prorogations and appointments"
 
Optime valete
ALH
 
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Cn. Caesar consul sal.

Below are the list of provinces, together with incumbents and suggested replacements. In order to effectively poll provinces as to replacements this work needs to start around the time we call for the submission of provisional budgets. This year we don't have that luxury and in any case the state of the provinces is such that the most active persons are already well known, so picking a replacement is thereby a lot easier. provinces need contact persons, even a neighboring governor. Visually it looks bad to new and prospective citizens to see this amount of empty slots, especially in their own home province. Practically it means new citizens may have no defined point of contact with questions/issues.

As a specific note, I am currently in discussion with Cn. Cornelius Lentulus over the state of affairs in Italia. I hope to soon be able to provide the House with a summary of that province's status. The next few days will see a report from me to the Senate list on that matter.

A Senatus consultum will be prepared based on the below and any developments during this session.
Optime valete

1. America Austroccidentalis - Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus #
2. America Austrorientalis - vacant PROPOSED: Lucia Iulia Aquila *
3. America Boreoccidentalis - Vibia Rutilia Enodiaria @
4. America Medioccidentalis Superior - Gaius Pompeius Marcellus #
5. Argentina - vacant PROPOSED: Vibia Aemilia Regilla **
6. Australia - vacant
7. Brasilia - vacant PROPOSED: Vibia Aemilia Regilla *
8. Britannia - Gaius Marcius Crispus #
9. California - Quintus Fabius Maximus #
10. Canada Citerior - Gnaeus Iulius Caesar #
11. Canada Ulterior - Gnaeus Iulius Caesar ##
12. Dacia - Titus Iulius Sabinus #
13. Gallia - vacant PROPOSED as legate: Gaius Petronius Dexter *
14. Germania  vacant PROPOSED as legate: Gaius Petronius Dexter **
15. Guria - vacant
16. Hibernia - vacant PROPOSED: Gaius Marcius Crispus ##
17. Hispania - vacant PROPOSED:Gaius Aemilius Crassus *
18. Italia - vacant PROPOSED:Praefectura under direct consular administration
19. Lacus Magni - vacant PROPOSED: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus ##
20. Mediatlantica - Tiberius Galerius Paulinus #
21. Mexico - vacant

22. Nipponia - vacant
23. Nova Britannia - Marcus Minucius Audens # (depending on Senate vote province may be divided into two with Marcus Iulianus (#) as proconsul of one and Marcus Audens as proconsul of the other)
24. Pannonia - Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus #
25. Sarmatia - Titus Flavius Severus #
26. Thule -vacant

27. Venedia - vacant PROPOSED: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus ##
LEGEND
# Existing governor wishes to be prorogued - home province
## Existing governor willing to administer neighboring province
* Suggested candidate - willing to serve - home province
** Suggested candidate willing to administer neighboring province
@ No reply and no indication of a desire to continue as governor

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87128 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM II.c: Provinces - future nature and structur
 
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
Included is a list of alternatives proposed by consul Cn. Iulius Caesar in Senatus Consultum "ITEM II.c: Provinces - future nature and structure"
 
Optime valete
ALH
 
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Cn. Iulius Caesar consul sal.

This item is carried over from the January session. Governors have to be appointed this month, regardless of any decision, or the lack thereof, on the future structure of the provinces. A number of ideas were offered up you will recall. These should be further explored and debated.

So the possible structural changes to the provinces suggested were:
A) Abolish all provinces and replace them with nothing.
B) Keep the existing provinces in principle and just not appoint anyone for now pending a finite solution.
C) Keep the existing provinces in theory and alter the criteria to more realistically reflect when a geographical area gets a governor and becomes a province.
D) Abolish the provinces as they are and move them into continental groupings.
E) Keep the existing provinces and appoint as normal.
F) Abolish those provinces where there is less than 5 citizens and no governor.
G) Assign the more dormant provinces to adjacent governors.
H) Assign the more dormant provinces to senators.
By the time the voting period is upon us I will have worded the proposed Senatus consultum so that it would be possible to select a combination of options, for example E/F or B/G.
Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87129 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM II.d: Division of Nova Britannia into two pr
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
This is the proposal of dividing New England in two provinces presented by consul Cn. Iulius Caesar in Senatus Consultum "ITEM II.d: Division of Nova Britannia into two provinces"
 
Optime valete
 
ALH
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Cn. Iulius Caesar sal.

The proposal will be to divide the province according to the suggestions of Marcus Audens:

Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island in the lower province, and Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine in the upper province. Since Senator Cassius lives in the upper one we have an experienced Senator in each of the two areas.

Marcus Iulianus would become governor of the upper province, and Marcus Audens governor of the lower province. I have spoken to Marcus Iulianus and he would accept this role.
Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87130 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM III.a: Tax rate formula - amendment to curre
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
This is the explanation of consul Cn. Iulius Caesar to the Senatus Consultum "ITEM III.a: Tax rate formula - amendment to current model".  It proposes to change the current system of taxation.
 
Optime valete
ALH
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Cn. Caesar consul sal.
The current system of taxation is not working. Why? Well, some people expect Nova Roma to give to them before they will give to Nova Roma. That would be logical if they were buying an account on World of Warcraft, or membership to a gym. They already get what the tax is meant to defray, the cost of hosting a webpage, of now having to pay for a cista, our corporate fees, the cost of an accounting program. We don’t have the money or the levels of growth necessary to hand out memberships to JSTOR, or scholarships. That isn’t an opinion, just cold hard facts. Equally in the budget adopted last session you can see there is no “fatâ€. Nothing to trim. It was the very base level of expenditure and we would still be in a deficit.

So as I said recently now it is choice time. Reality or wildly optimistic hope that “something will turn upâ€. That is the choice for all of us here. There are no handouts waiting to be had to save us fiscally. If we do not balance the budget this year, then each year we fail to do so the amount of our reserves decreases. Eventually there will be nothing left. The more we drain the reserves the faster will come fiscal extinction. At that point we are back to handouts. At that point we are dependant on people bailing us out. That isn’t healthy. We do not want to be dependant on a few individuals for fiscal support. We were dependent on a few for IT support and look what happened. Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of how Octavius came to charge us, we were dependent on him and had to pay. That wasn’t healthy for anyone, and it gave leverage. We cannot afford for anyone here to have that sort of leverage. If they get upset do the
lights go off? Do they cut the money supply off? Quite likely. If we go that route after spending all our liquid assets then we will have to pander to those that donate.

Equally, as you know, I think the entire GDP model absurd. GDP does not relate to an individual’s ability to pay. Not everyone outside of North America is living on state benefits bereft of money. Look to Sarmatia. According the theory that under pinned the GDP formula, the Sarmatians should have been shopping at Value Village and eating roast cardboard, yet look what they raised. They are self evidently not poor. So what we endure is providing those hat can pay with a discount because they live somewhere there is a low GDP. That is GDP not GBB – gross domestic product not their gross bank balance. That has to end.
How do we accommodate those that have just started in Nova Roma, or who have been here years but are just inactive? How do we measure that? Do we use dates of joining? Do we means test? The current structure of three tiers is not subtle enough to spare the newer citizens. Now we can simply say “You HAVE to pay $X†and charge everyone the same. The reality is people would not pay.

I propose we move to a five tier system, based on the century classes.
Class I Centuries 1 – 15
Class II Centuries 16 – 27
Class III Centuries 28 – 37
Class IV Centuries 38 – 45
Class V Centuries 46 - 50

The actual amounts of payments would vary each year, based on need (as now). The point is new citizens just starting off would get the lowest rate. The first class would naturally pay the highest rate. Currently under the 3 tier model of citizen, priests/scribes and Senate/magistrates, new citizens get hit with the same rate as a citizen who has evidently started on the cursus, or is actively involved. It is insane to penalize new citizens that way. Under this model you essentially pay to play and we have to get over the mental stumbling block that we have to bribe people to stand for office by keeping the tax low. We aren’t asking for their firstborn, for currently the highest tier pays per year less than the price of four lattes. Yes I have heard the arguments about how for that we get four coffees. The answer in turn is fine, then quit. Seriously, go. Depart. Nova Roma cannot base a fiscal policy of balancing its books on trying to satisfy
those who think it is valueless. That is a personal decision that those who make it feel, and therefore they don’t have to pay and they can go to the head count, or they can just resign. The point is for those NOTHING that we do here will ever satisfy them. Maybe some of you think that. Well, that is your right, but those of us that are left still trying to keep us fiscally afloat still have to figure out a way to keep the structure intact and bills paid.

No tax system will ever satisfy some people. There can be no waiting for Nova Roma to become more “saleableâ€. We have allowed a welfare state mentality to breed in Nova Roma and have been apologetic about requiring money to keep it all going. Isn’t strange that those who find so many reasons why Nova Roma isn’t worth four lattes, or even eight to ten lattes per year, still stick around, moaning and complaining and thinking up more excuses not to pay? We have to call time on that and the message has to be clear and simple. This costs $X to run. Forget making a profit – I am talking just paying the bare essentials.

We deliver the response “You think it is worthless? Not worth the tax? The gates are over there. Goodbye.â€
If we don’t stop running this place like a charity shop, a bribery cafe, and if we don’t stop fuelling the view there is no point to this exercise that is Nova Roma, by even in here refusing to face facts and pay ourselves without the yearly hair pulling and breast beating over the tax, then is it any wonder we can’t convince others to pay? We need $3915 this year (including our arrears payments) and thereafter $2650 for the following years. That is just to break even. That doesn’t factor in inflation or unforseen expenses. So you can choose to fritter away the reserves and bring fiscal extinction closer still or we can balance the budget.

Just so you can all see how my proposal would work, I have devised a spreadsheet. Essentially a calculator. You can put in the expenses, factor in if you wish a percentage decrease on last year and see what rates you have to set the tax at across the five tiers just to break even. I will send it via email, including to the Tribunes. use it. See the reality. It is simple to use. the results are crystal clear.

Also I will be asking you to abolish the return of monies to provinces. This is another absurdity. Look at Sarmatia. They paid their tax revenues and went on to raise yet more. far more than the piddling amount of tax required. We need the tax to pay bills. If we have to potentially give 50% back to provinces you can double the rates after breaking even on the calculator. Additionally who is to say the 50% went to any Nova Roman events. Who is to say it was ever collected?
Essentially we crippled ourselves three times over as we based the tax on local currencies, yet our bills have to be paid in US dollars, then we linked the tax to the GDP regardless of personal ability to pay and then on top of all that we gave 50% back! Lunacy! Utter lunacy! Some citizens paid less than half of one latte! This idiocy and pandering has to stop. We are crippling ourselves.

Tax should be paid in one of three currencies. US dollars, Euros, or the Brasilian Real. Those in Europe will pay in Euros. Those in North America in USD and those in South America in the Real. Also PayPal fees have to be covered not by Nova Roma but by the citizen. If the tax is $X Nova Roma will want $X, not $X – 50 cents. They need to include enough to cover the 50 cents. If they don’t and Nova Roma doesn’t receive exactly the full amount, then their tax will not have been paid and they can go to the head count until it is. That all mounts up, and if citizen numbers increase then the loss to Nova Roma increases. Finally we need to tighten up on the late payment penalty.

We have to stop apologizing for the need to pay for all of this and abasing ourselves in an apologetic manner when discussing money. Tax is tax and it has to be paid if NR is to survive. Donations can’t be relied on, sales of flags cannot, sales period are non-existent in our Macellum and our creditors wont wait for it to get off the ground (if it ever does). Paying the tax must become a yearly expectation and not some favour that people are doing Nova Roma. If they think like that then clearly they shouldn’t be here. We need to get a grip and start creating the expectation that paying the tax on time in full is the norm.
A proposed Senatus consultum will be forthcoming based on this.

Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87131 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM III.b: Tax rate 2012 / 2013"
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
This is the explanation of the new tax rate proposed by consul Cn. Iulius Caesar in his Senatus Consultum "ITEM III.b: Tax rate 2012 / 2013"
 
Optime valete
ALH
 
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Cn. Caesar consul sal.
Based on our projected expenses of this year, as per the budget, of $3915.00 USD, the tax rate using the five tier system would have to be as per below in order to balance the budget (with a small profit of $19.00 USD net). The amounts below keep an even spread between the tiers. Naturally you could lower some of the tiers and rise others to achieve the same objective. This is the base level for an even spread though. This is NOT based on the continuing 15% decrease in payors. If it were the amounts would naturally be higher.
This is the starting point.
Class 5 rate - $11.00
Class 4 rate - $21.00
Class 3 rate - $31.00
Class 2 rate - $41.00
Class 1 rate - $51.00
Optime valete


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87132 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM III.c: Validation of payments - CFO requirem
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
This Senatus Consultum "ITEM III.c: Validation of payments - CFO requirements to ensure tax". proposed by  consul Cn. Iulius Caesar, will grant access to the Chief Financial Officer to the censorial list to verify name and address of tax payer, who, often, do not provide their Roman name with their payment.
 
Optime valete
ALH
 
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Cn. Caesar consul sal.
Our CFO informs me he will need to confirm identities on paypal tax transactions where insufficient details are provided to identify who the payment realtes to, as well as ensuring assidui staus is updated promply. The controlling lex here is:
Lex Galeria de privatis rebus http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Galeria_de_privatis_rebus_(Nova_Roma)

In the short term I would ask Ti. Galerius Paulinus if he would be willing to appoint our CFO Lucius Sulla to his censorial cohors, so come tax time he can efficiently validate any missing information. In the medium term I would like to ask the House to pass a Senatus consulta which invites the Censors to accommodate the CFO in this manner. The lex is restrictive, rightly so, in who can access the information and there is no opportunity to use a Senatus consultum to insert the CFO in the list of those authorized. In the long term this lex needs to be amended.
According to the lex:

IX. Other than as set out above, no person shall give to any other person any confidential information about any third person without the permission of that third person.â€
I will therefore also include in the Senatus consultum that payment of tax shall imply permission for the CFO of Nova Roma Inc. to check such personal details as he/she considers necessary to validate payments and update assidui status and include also the requirement for the Wiki to display that statement prominently on the page with a direct link to paypal, currently found at http://www.novaroma.org/donations.html
 
Optime valete


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87133 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Re: Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors - prorogations and appoi
Salvete omnes,
I notice with surprise that Marcus Minucius Audens is proposed to be
reconfirmed as a provincial governor. As far as I know he is still also a
Senator in Nova Roma, while he was recently made a Senator also in Res
Publica Romana.

Last year two NR senators were expelled for joining a "competing
organization". I remember there was a rule stating that one could not hold
offices in both organization on pain of being expelled from NR.
Was that rule an edict that expired with the end of the year?
If so, is it now legal to hold offices in both organizations?

Optime valete,
Livia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruno Zani" <reenbru@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:04 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors - prorogations
and appointments"


23. Nova Britannia - Marcus Minucius Audens # (depending on Senate vote
province may be divided into two with Marcus Iulianus (#) as proconsul of
one and Marcus Audens as proconsul of the other)
(...)
# Existing governor wishes to be prorogued - home province
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87134 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: ITEM IV: Nova Roma reborn plan
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
This is not a Senatus Consultum. It is simply an introduction to the reorganization proposed by consul Cn. Iulius Caesar to Noiva Roma as  a Roman organization and as a .legal entity incorporated in Maine. No vote will be taken at this time
 
Optime valete
ALH 
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Cn. Caesar consul sal.
I will be moving through the following sections later in the session:
AN ECONOMY OF ACTIVITY
CURRENCY POINT (CP) SYSTEM
THE MACELLUM – SKILLS & ABILITIES MARKET
CONSORTIUMS AND CORPORATIONS
The plan, NovaRomaRebornWitnessed.pdf, can be found here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SenatusRomanus/files/Library/
Optime valete


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87135 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: ITEM V.a: Nova Roma seal - proposal to adopt a seal for use on docum
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
The Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.a: Nova Roma seal - proposal to adopt a seal for use on docum" proposed to consul Cn. Iulius Caesar by ,Ti. Galerius Paulinus
The link below contains examples of the proposed seal.
 
Optime valete
ALH
 
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Cn. Iulius Caesar sal.
Ti. Galerius Paulinus will speak to this item.
Reference this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SenatusRomanus/photos/album/0/list
Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87136 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Re: Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors - prorogations and appoi
Ave!

It would be a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest is a conflict of
interest. If you have some proof of this, present it. Just taking your
word would be the same as me taking Modianus word, it wont happen. Where
is his appointment and where is his acceptance of such an appointment?

For all I know you could say the RPR appointed Caesar as a senator
there...LOL it means nothing if there is no acceptance.

Vale,

Sulla

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 2:17 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
> I notice with surprise that Marcus Minucius Audens is proposed to be
> reconfirmed as a provincial governor. As far as I know he is still also a
> Senator in Nova Roma, while he was recently made a Senator also in Res
> Publica Romana.
>
> Last year two NR senators were expelled for joining a "competing
> organization". I remember there was a rule stating that one could not hold
> offices in both organization on pain of being expelled from NR.
> Was that rule an edict that expired with the end of the year?
> If so, is it now legal to hold offices in both organizations?
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruno Zani" <reenbru@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:04 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors -
> prorogations
> and appointments"
>
> 23. Nova Britannia - Marcus Minucius Audens # (depending on Senate vote
> province may be divided into two with Marcus Iulianus (#) as proconsul of
> one and Marcus Audens as proconsul of the other)
> (...)
>
> # Existing governor wishes to be prorogued - home province
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87137 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM VI.a: Magna Mater fund - transfer of Nova Ro
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
The Senatus Consultum "ITEM VI.a: Magna Mater fund - transfer of Nova Roma's contributions" proposed to consul Cn. Iulius Caesar, will allow funds donated by the Senate to be returned to the general fund.
 
Optime valete
ALH
 
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Cn. Caesar consul sal.
The Magna Mater Project as we all know has been terminated. The Senatus consultum I will put before you will specifically authorize the CFO to return Nova Roma’s donation(s) to the general fund. Having examined the Senatus consultum on the MMP closure both Lucius Sulla and I have concluded that while there is a section in there that speaks to returning donations, if would be best to get specific authority from the Senate to return its own funds to general revenue. The authorisation that exists was designed for individual donors.
Optime valete


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87138 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM VI.b: Existing Articles of Incorporation iss
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritibus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
The Senatus Consultum ""ITEM VI.b: Existing Articles of Incorporation issues",  proposed by consul Cn. Iulius Caesar, will include reference to specific  past legislation already approved by the Senate, in the Articles of Incorporation controlling Nova Roma's  incorporation under  Maine's law.
 
Optime valete
ALH
 
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Cn. Caesar consul sal.
As I have said before the start of this session, I will present a Senatus consultum that:
1. Confirms all Articles of Incorporation that are currently filed with the State of Maine. That will provide the authorization that the Senate as the Board of Directors should have conferred if it did not.
2. Makes any corrections necessary to the Articles of Incorporation.
3. Establishes a process to be followed where it is necessary to amend the Articles of Incorporation.
Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87139 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.b: Nova Roma flags - proposal for producti
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritibus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
The Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.b: Nova Roma flags - proposal for production and sale" is a companion to the  other SC on a Nova Roman seal,  proposed to consul Cn. Iulius Caesar by senator Ti. Galerius Paulinus The link below contains examples of the existing flag. Optime valete
ALH
 
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Cn .Caesar consul sal.
Ti. Galerius Paulinus will speak to this item.
Reference this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SenatusRomanus/photos/album/0/list
Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87140 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Addition to Agenda - Item I.e
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritibus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
The following Item was added to the agenda after it was published.
Optime valete
ALH
 
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Cn. Iulius Caesar consul sal.
I am adding one further item to the agenda - I.e: Lex Minucia Moravia de civitate eiuranda - clarification of section V.
The current Agenda is therefore as below.
Optime valete


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87141 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Additional Agenda item - 1.d. re provocatio committee
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritibus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
The following Item was added to the agenda after it was published.
 
Optime valete
ALH
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Cn. Iulius Caesar consul sal.
At the request of Marcus Audens, and with the consent of Lucius Sulla, I am adding a new item to the Agenda, I.d: Additional member of the Provocatio committee.
I will present a Senatus consultum to appoint Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix to the provocatio committee. The Senatus consultum that we passed last month to establish the committee requires that additional members be added by this means.

Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87142 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-12
Subject: Item I.f: Conflicts of interest between BoD members of competing o
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritibus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
 
The following Item was added to the agenda after it was published.
 
Optime valete
ALH
 
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Cn. Iulius Caesar consul sal.
One last addition the agenda -I.f: Conflicts of interest – between BoD members of competing organizations and the NR Inc. BoD
The current Agenda is therefore as below.
Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87143 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-13
Subject: IDUS FEBRUARIIS - THE PARENTALIA
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est Idus Februariis; hic dies nefastus publicus est.

"The altars of rustic Faunus smoke, on the Ides.
There, where the island breaks Tiber's waters.
This was the day when three hundred and six
Of the Fabii fell to Veientine weapons.
A single family assumed the burden and defence of the city:
Their strong right arms volunteered their swords.
Noble soldiers they marched from the one camp,
And any one of them was fitted to be the leader.
The nearest way was the right hand arch of Carmentis Gate
Let no one go that way: it is unlucky.
Tradition says that the three hundred Fabii passed through:
The gate is free of blame, but is still unlucky." - Ovid, Fasti II

"When the others refused their offer and chose the death befitting men
of noble birth, the Tyrrhenians renewed the struggle, attacking them
in relays, though no longer fighting at close quarters in hand-to-hand
combat, but standing in a body and hurling javelins and stones at them
from a distance; and the multitude of missiles was like a snow-storm.
The Romans, massing by companies, rushed upon their foes, who did not
stand their ground, and though they received many wounds from those
surrounding them, they stood firm. But when the swords of many had
become useless, some having their edges blunted and others being
broken, and the borders of their shields next the rims were hacked in
pieces, and the men themselves were for the most part bled white and
overwhelmed by missiles and their limbs paralysed by reason of the
multitude of their wounds, the Tyrrhenians scorned them and came to
close quarters. Then the Romans, rushing at them like wild beasts,
seized their spears and broke them, grasped their swords by the edges
and wrenched them out of their hands, and twisting the bodies of their
antagonists, fell with them to the ground, locked in close embrace,
fighting with greater rage than strength. Hence the enemy, astonished
at their endurance and terrified at the madness that had seized them
in their despair of life, no longer ventured to come to grips with
them, but retiring again, stood in a body and hurled at them sticks,
stones, and anything else they could lay their hands on, and at last
buried them under the multitude of missiles. After destroying these
men they ran to the fortress, carrying with them the heads of the most
prominent, expecting to take the men there prisoners at their first
onset." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 9.21

In the 480s B.C., the gens Fabius was one of the most powerful
familial groups in Rome. The Fabii had major Etruscan connections and
owned a considerable tract of land between Rome and Veii. A major
strategic point on the Via Salaria, or Salt Road between Rome and Veii
was where the stream Cremora joined the Tiber. The Fabii and the
Veians came into conflict with each other during this period, mainly
through mutual cattle raiding. Then, the Fabii built a defensive
blockhouse at the Cremora which the Veians considered a challenge
thrown in their teeth. Now the Fabii had raised a large semi - private
army who owed their allegiance not to the Roman state but to the
Fabian Gens. Thre hundred of the Fabii and their clients occupied the
blockhouse with intentions of holding this strongpoint against Veii in
476. This led to the Battle of the Cremora in which three hundred
Fabii were killed and the area was abandoned to the Veiians.

"Scio versiculis meis evenire, ut fastidiose legantur: quippe sic
meritum est eorum. Sed quosdam solet commendare materia et aliquotiens
fortasse lectorem solum lemma sollicitat tituli, ut festivitate
persuasus et ineptiam ferre contentus sit. Hoc opusculum nec materia
amoenum est nec appellatione iucundum. Habet maestam religionem, qua
carorum meorum obitus tristi affectione commemoro. Titulus libelli est
Parentalia. Antiquae appellationis hic dies et iam inde ab Numa
cognatorum inferiis institutus: nec quicquam sanctius habet reverentia
superstitum quam ut amissos venerabiliter recordetur." - Praefatio for
the Parentalia, unknown edition


Today is the beginning of the Parentalia, the Roman festival for
honoring one's dead parents. Families gathered amongst the tombs of
loved ones and made offerings or sacrifices of grain and wine to their
souls. Although the Parentalia always began with the performance of
ceremonies in honor of dead parents by a Vestal Virgin, Romans
basically celebrated the Parentalia at the family level. Families
walked outside the city to visit the family tombs and performed
private sacrifices in honor of dead kin (especially parents). The
sacrifices were simple, a little wine, a little corn or bread, perhaps
some votive garlands. It was a quiet, personal, reflective day,
followed by a quiet reflective week or so to think about loved ones
and the importance of the family. The Parentalia was the first of
three Roman festivals in February for appeasing the dead which started
on the Ides and lasted until the 22nd. During this time all temples
were closed, marriages were forbidden, and public officials suspended
business for the duration of the festivals.

Valete bene,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87144 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2012-02-13
Subject: Re: Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors - prorogations and appoi
Salve Sulla,
it would be unpolite of me to provide proof, when all you need to do is ask
Audens himself. I don't think he'll try to deny. You may want to wait some
days, though, because on the RPR list he mentioned that he would be
unavailable for a few days due to personal problems.

So would you confirm that being a senator in both organizations is still not
allowed? Could you point me to the relevant piece of legislation?

Vale,
Livia

> Ave!
>
> It would be a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest is a conflict
> of
> interest. If you have some proof of this, present it. Just taking your
> word would be the same as me taking Modianus word, it wont happen. Where
> is his appointment and where is his acceptance of such an appointment?
>
> For all I know you could say the RPR appointed Caesar as a senator
> there...LOL it means nothing if there is no acceptance.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 2:17 PM, L. Livia Plauta
> <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Salvete omnes,
>> I notice with surprise that Marcus Minucius Audens is proposed to be
>> reconfirmed as a provincial governor. As far as I know he is still also a
>> Senator in Nova Roma, while he was recently made a Senator also in Res
>> Publica Romana.
>>
>> Last year two NR senators were expelled for joining a "competing
>> organization". I remember there was a rule stating that one could not
>> hold
>> offices in both organization on pain of being expelled from NR.
>> Was that rule an edict that expired with the end of the year?
>> If so, is it now legal to hold offices in both organizations?
>>
>> Optime valete,
>> Livia
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bruno Zani" <reenbru@...>
>> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:04 PM
>> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors -
>> prorogations
>> and appointments"
>>
>> 23. Nova Britannia - Marcus Minucius Audens # (depending on Senate vote
>> province may be divided into two with Marcus Iulianus (#) as proconsul of
>> one and Marcus Audens as proconsul of the other)
>> (...)
>>
>> # Existing governor wishes to be prorogued - home province
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87145 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-14
Subject: Latin Jokes with English Translations
Salvete omnes!

It's time to lighten up the mood of this place. Let's have some laughs
and post some jokes.

Please share your own Latin jokes but remember to also post their
English Translations


Jokes can be original or not original. Ancient jokes are ok. The powers
that be suggest no cussing, offensive or adult content and all jokes
must have an English translation. Try to be funny. Sometimes ancient
jokes don't amuse modern sensibilities so modern versions are welcome.


Try out your Latin skills! Remember Tullia Scholastica is watching!


I will start out:


Tu exaudi de stultum cum ambulabat mundi? [Did you hear about the
fool that walked around the world?]

<pause>

<wait for it>

*Demerus est.* [He drowned.]




Go to it!


Vale et valete bene!

D. Mento



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87146 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-14
Subject: a.d. XVI Kal. Mar.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XVI Kalendas Martias); hic dies nefastus aterque est.

"Three constellations lie together, Corvus the Raven,
Hydra, and Crater, the Cup, between the two.
On the Ides they're hidden at twilight, but risen the following night.
I'll tell why the three as so closely linked together.
It happened that Phoebus prepared a solemn feast for Jove,
(This tale of mine will not take long to tell):
`Go, my bird,' he said, `so nothing delays the sacred rites,
And bring a little water from the running stream.'
The Raven caught up a gilded Cup in his claws,
And flew high into the air on his way.
There was a fig tree thick with unripe fruit:
The Raven tried it with his beak: but it wasn't fit to eat.
Forgetting his orders, it's said he perched by the tree,
To wait till the fruit should sweetly ripen.
When at last he'd taken his fill, he grasped a long Water-Snake
In his black talons, and returned to his master with a lying tale:
`This snake caused my delay, it blocked the running water:
It prevented the stream's flow, and my errand.'
`Will you add to your fault with lies,' said Phoebus,
And cheat the god of prophecy with words?
As for you, you'll drink no cool water from the springs,
Until the ripened figs cling to the trees.'
So he spoke, and as an eternal reminder of this ancient tale,
Snake, Bird and Cup, as constellations, gleam side by side." - Ovid,
Fasti II

The raven was once a white bird, but his tongue was his undoing. The
story is that Coronis was Phoebus' love, but the raven discovered that
she was unfaithful to the sun god. As he was winging his way to tell
Phoebus the bad news, the crow warned that he might be better off
keeping his beak shut. The crow had been in a similar situation with
Athene, and tattling had not served her well. When Vulcan had made an
attempt to seduce chaste Athene, he had ejaculated on her leg. The
semen she wiped onto the ground combined with the earth to produce
Erichthonius. She hid the child in a sealed basket and gave the basket
to the three daughters of Cecrops on the condition that they were not
to open it. After Athene left them, the crow stayed behind to see if
they kept their promise, and of the three, Aglauros scornfully broke
her word. Inside the basket she saw the baby, and she knew Athene's
secret. The crow rushed away to tell her goddess what she knew.
Athene banished the prattling crow, and this shocked the bird because
Athene had transformed the girl into a crow to begin with.

Before she became a crow, she had been a beautiful girl pursued by
men. One day as she walked along the beach, the sea god, Neptune, saw
her and fell in love. When she was not willing to give herself to him,
he tried to force her. As she ran across the beach, the sand kept
hindering her escape and so she cried out for help. Athene, also a
virgin, pitied her plight and transformed her into a bird so that she
could escape the sea god. She and Athene were close companions until
the goddess banished the crow and put her in rank lower than that of
the owl, a girl transformed to a bird for her incestuous desire for
her own father.

The raven ignored the crow's warning and sped to Phoebus to tell of
his love's betrayal, and Phoebus immediately acted out and shot her
through the heart with an arrow. As she died, she told him of his son
that she carried in her womb that would now die with her because of
his rash actions. Phoebus was heartbroken, but nothing could be done
to save Coronis. Before her body was burned on the funeral pyre,
Phoebus took the unborn child from her womb and gave him to Chiron,
the noble centaur and tutor of Greek heroes, to raise. And although
the raven had been right, Phoebus turned him black and forever exiled
him from the breed of white birds.


Today is celebrated as the Feast of St. Valentine of Rome. The
tradition stated that Valentine was a priest in Rome during the reign
of the emperor Claudius II. Claudius was having difficulty raising
troops for his campaigns, and he cancelled all marriages to keep men
from using their families as an excuse to remain at home. Valentine
continued to marry couples in secret. The emperor was furious;
Valentine was brought before him and condemned to death, being
beheaded on February 14 AD 269. While in jail awaiting his death, he
fell in love with the jailer's daughter, and sent her a last note
signed "from your Valentine". Pope Gelasius, in the Sacramentary of
496, created his feast day.

In AD 1836, relics that were exhumed from the catacombs of St.
Hippolytus on the Via Tiburtina, then near Rome, were identified with
St Valentine; placed in a gilded casket, they were transported to the
Whitefriar Street Carmelite Church in Dublin, Ireland, to which they
were donated by Pope Gregory XVI. Many tourists visit the remains on St. Valentine's Day, when the casket is carried in solemn
procession to the high altar for a special Mass dedicated to young
people and all those in love. Alleged bodily relics of St Valentine
also lie at the reliquary of Roquemaure in France, in the Stephansdom
in Vienna and also in Blessed St. John Duns Scotus church in the
Gorbals area of Glasgow, Scotland.

The saint's feast day was removed from the Church calendar in 1969 as
part of a broader effort to remove saints viewed by some as being of
purely legendary origin. The feast day is still celebrated locally in
some parishes such as Balzan in Malta where relics of the saint are
claimed to be found, as well as by those Catholics who follow the
older, pre-Vatican II calendar. Prior to this action, the church in
Rome that had been dedicated to him observed his feast day by, among
other things, displaying his reputed skull surrounded by roses, much
like the iconography often used by the Grateful Dead.

That the creation of the feast for such dimly conceived figures may
have been an attempt to supersede the pagan holiday of Lupercalia that
was still being celebrated in fifth-century Rome on February 15 is
apparently a figment of the English eighteenth-century antiquarian
Alban Butler, embellished by Francis Douce, as Jack Oruch conclusively
demonstrated in 1981. Many of the current legends that characterise
Saint Valentine were invented in the fourteenth century in England,
notably by Geoffrey Chaucer and his circle, when the feast day of
February 14 first became associated with romantic love.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87147 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-14
Subject: Appointment of scribes
Edictum I: appointment of scribes

Ex Officio: I, C. Maria Caeca Aedilis Curulis do hereby

appoint Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, C. Marcius Crispus and C. Laelius Silvanus as Scribi to the Aedilician Cohors in the office of the Curule Aediles to aid in the various projects that are under their jurisdiction and any other projects or initiatives created by or assigned to the Curule Aediles. No oath is required.

This edict takes effect immediately.





Given by my hand 14th day of February 2765 a.u.c. in the Consulship of

Cn. Iulius Caesar and C. Tullius Valerianus coss.














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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87148 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-14
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Latin Jokes with English Translations
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Mentoni omnibusque S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> It's time to lighten up the mood of this place.  Let's have some laughs and
> post some jokes.
>
> Please share your own Latin jokes but remember to also post their English
> Translations
>
>
> Jokes can be original or not original. Ancient jokes are ok.  The powers that
> be suggest no cussing, offensive or adult content and all jokes must have an
> English translation.  Try to be funny. Sometimes ancient jokes don't amuse
> modern sensibilities so modern versions are welcome.
>
>
> Try out your Latin skills!  Remember Tullia Scholastica is watching!
>
> ATS: I am not the only Latinist around here who is watching...and
> groaning at this nonsense.
>
>
> I will start out:
>
>
> Tu exaudi de stultum cum ambulabat mundi?     [Did you hear about the fool
> that walked around the world?]
>
> ATS: Good thing you translated this or nobody who knows Latin would have
> understood it. Correct Latin would be Exaudistin¹ de stulto qui mundum /
> orbem terrarum circumambulavit? The last word, however, is extremely rare,
> with only one (and apparently late) citation in the OLD.
>
>  <pause> 
>
>  <wait for it>
>
> Demerus est.    [He drowned.]
>
> ATS: Ain¹t no sech word. Perhaps you mean demersus est, but this is
> causative: he has been caused to be drowned, i.e., someone drowned him. I
> don¹t think that is what is meant here. Submergo or mergo is better, or aquá
> perire. However, I don¹t find this terribly amusing despite my very good
> sense of humor...
>
>
>
>
> Go to it!
>
>
> Vale et valete bene!
>
> D. Mento
>
> Valete.
>
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87149 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-15
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Latin Jokes with English Translations
Iulia Tulliae Cornelio omnibusque S.P.D.


Omnibus amicis meis Felicem Diem Sancti Valentini volo!
(Happy st valentines day to all my friends!)

Thank you Mento for starting this thread!
Thank you Magistra mea for the corrections and helping us learn while we play!

From my "Latin Files":

Scias te fortasse Romanum esse siÂ…
(You know you may be a Roman ifÂ…)

Â…numquam de negotio magni momenti decernas sine extispicio
(Â…you never make major business decisions without first cutting open a sheep)

Â…unus ex officialibus tuis propriis est venenarius
(Â…you have a personal poisoner on your staff)

Â…nunquam admiresis te invenire gubernatorem imperii fatuum esse, vel pravum, vel vesanum
(Â…you're never surprised to discover the guy running the empire is a moron, or evil, or mad)


It's kinda late and I am old and tired *smile* but i shall give a translation a try with this little riddle. It's harder to translate from English to Latin but fortunately we are required to post in English as well so you all will know what i am trying to say:

Ego nihil adhuc valent. Quid ego?
(I am nothing, yet I have value. What am I?)

Nihil
(Zero)


Vale, et valete optime,

Julia


P.S. Si hoc legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinus
alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes!
(If you can read this, you can get a good job in the
fast-paced, high-paying world of Latin!)
*from my "Latin Files"


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <flavia@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica Mentoni omnibusque S.P.D.
> >
> >
> >
> > Salvete omnes!
> >
> > It's time to lighten up the mood of this place.  Let's have some laughs and
> > post some jokes.
> >
> > Please share your own Latin jokes but remember to also post their English
> > Translations
> >
> >
> > Jokes can be original or not original. Ancient jokes are ok.  The powers that
> > be suggest no cussing, offensive or adult content and all jokes must have an
> > English translation.  Try to be funny. Sometimes ancient jokes don't amuse
> > modern sensibilities so modern versions are welcome.
> >
> >
> > Try out your Latin skills!  Remember Tullia Scholastica is watching!
> >
> > ATS: I am not the only Latinist around here who is watching...and
> > groaning at this nonsense.
> >
> >
> > I will start out:
> >
> >
> > Tu exaudi de stultum cum ambulabat mundi?     [Did you hear about the fool
> > that walked around the world?]
> >
> > ATS: Good thing you translated this or nobody who knows Latin would have
> > understood it. Correct Latin would be Exaudistin¹ de stulto qui mundum /
> > orbem terrarum circumambulavit? The last word, however, is extremely rare,
> > with only one (and apparently late) citation in the OLD.
> >
> >  <pause> 
> >
> >  <wait for it>
> >
> > Demerus est.    [He drowned.]
> >
> > ATS: Ain¹t no sech word. Perhaps you mean demersus est, but this is
> > causative: he has been caused to be drowned, i.e., someone drowned him. I
> > don¹t think that is what is meant here. Submergo or mergo is better, or aquá
> > perire. However, I don¹t find this terribly amusing despite my very good
> > sense of humor...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Go to it!
> >
> >
> > Vale et valete bene!
> >
> > D. Mento
> >
> > Valete.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87150 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-15
Subject: Classic Poetry, Prose, Proems, Literature Excerpts
Salvete quiritibus, salutem plurimam dicit

aurea securi quis nescit saecula regis?
cum domitis nemo cererem iactaret in arvis
venturique malas prohiberet fructibus herbas,
annua sed saturae complerent horrea messes,
ipse suo flueret Bacchus pede mellaque lentis
penderent foliis et pinguis Pallas olivae
secretos amnes ageret: tum gratia ruris:
non cessit cuiquam melius sua tempora nosse.

Who knows not of the Golden Age of the care-free King? When no man subdued fields to his will or sowed grain in them or fended harmful weeds from the crops which were to come; when plenteous harvests filled the barns to last the year; when, with no tread but his own, Bacchus ran into wine; when honies dripped from clinging leaves, and Pallas made flow her own especial streams of rich olive-oil: then had the country graciousness. To none was it e'er vouchsafed to know more joyously his own times.

AETNA - incerti auctoris Loeb Classical Library editum MCMXXXIV
AETNA - by an unknown author published in the Loeb Classical Library, 1935


Optime valete,

Julia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87152 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-15
Subject: a.d. XV Kal. Mar. - THE LUPERCALIA
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XV Kalendas Martius; hic dies nefastus publicus
est.

"So we worship the god, and the priest performs
The rites the Pelasgians brought in the ancient way.
Why, you ask, do the Luperci run, and since it's their custom,
This running, why do they strip their bodies naked?
The god himself loves to run swiftly on the heights,
And he himself suddenly takes to flight.
The god himself is naked, and orders his servants naked,
Since anyway clothes were not suited to that course.
They say the Arcadians had their land before the birth
Of Jove, and their race is older than the moon.
They lived like beasts, lives spent to no purpose:
The common people were crude as yet, without arts.
They built houses from leafy branches, grass their crops,
Water, scooped in their palms, was nectar to them.
No bull panted yoked to the curved ploughshare,
No soil was under the command of the farmer.
Horses were not used, all carried their own burdens,
The sheep went about still clothed in their wool.
People lived in the open and went about nude,
Inured to heavy downpours from rain-filled winds.
To this day the naked priests recall the memory
Of old customs, and testify to those ancient ways...
A she-wolf, which had given birth to her whelps came, wondrous to
tell, to the abandoned twins [Romulus and Remus]
...She halted and fawned on the tender babes with her tail,
and licked into shape their two bodies with her tongue
...fearless, they sucked her dugs and were fed on a supply of milk
that was never meant for them. The she-wolf (lupa) gave her name to
the place, and the place gave their name to the Luperci. Great is the
reward the nurse has got for the milk she gave." - Ovid , Fasti II

"It is said that the festival of the Lupercalia, which is still
observed, was even in those days celebrated on the Palatine hill. This
hill was originally called Pallantium from a city of the same name in
Arcadia; the name was afterwards changed to Palatium. Evander, an
Arcadian, had held that territory many ages before, and had introduced
an annual festival from Arcadia in which young men ran about naked for
sport and wantonness, in honour of the Lycaean Pan, whom the Romans
afterwards called Inuus. The existence of this festival was widely
recognised, and it was while the two brothers were engaged in it that
the brigands, enraged at losing their plunder, ambushed them. Romulus
successfully defended himself, but Remus was taken prisoner and
brought before Amulius, his captors impudently accusing him of their
own crimes. The principal charge brought against them was that of
invading Numitor's lands with a body of young men whom they had got
together, and carrying off plunder as though in regular warfare. Remus
accordingly was handed over to Numitor for punishment." - Livy,
History of Rome 1.5

"But Aelius Tubero, a shrewd man and careful in collecting the
historical data, writes that Numitor's people, knowing beforehand that
the youths were going to celebrate in honour of Pan the Lupercalia,
the Arcadian festival as instituted by Evander, set an ambush for that
moment in the celebration when the youths living near the Palatine
were, after offering sacrifice, to proceed from the Lupercal and run
round the village naked, their loins girt with the skins of the
victims just sacrificed. This ceremony signified a sort of traditional
purification of the villagers, and is still performed even to this
day." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Roman Antiquities 1.80

"In support of this story, Varro relates others no less incredible
about that most famous sorceress Circe, who changed the companions of
Ulysses into beasts, and about the Arcadians, who, by lot, swam across
a certain pool, and were turned into wolves there, and lived in the
deserts of that region with wild beasts like themselves. But if they
never fed on human flesh for nine years, they were restored to the
human form on swimming back again through the same pool. Finally, he
expressly names one Demaenetus, who, on tasting a boy offered up in
sacrifice by the Arcadians to their god Lykaios according to their
custom, was changed into a wolf, and, being restored to his proper
form in the tenth year, trained himself as a pugilist, and was
victorious at the Olympic games. And the same historian thinks that
the epithet Lykaios was applied in Arcadia to Pan and Jupiter for no
other reason than this metamorphosis of men into wolves, because it
was thought it could not be wrought except by a divine power. For a
wolf is called in Greek lykòs, from which the name Lykaios appears to
be formed. He says also that the Roman Luperci were as it were sprung
of the seed of these mysteries." - Augustinius of Hippo, City of God 18.17

"After [Saturn], third in descent, they say that Faunus was king, in
whose time Evander came into Italy from Pallanteum, a city of Arcadia,
accompanied with a small band of his countrymen, to whom Faunus kindly
gave land, and the mountain which he afterwards called Palatium. At
the foot of this mountain he built a temple to the Lykaian god, whom
the Greeks call Pan, and the Romans Lupercus, the naked statue of the
deity being covered with a goat-skin, in which dress the priests now
run up and down during the Lupercalia at Rome." - Justin, Epitome 43.6ff

"There was added to these causes of offence his insult to the
tribunes. It was, namely, the festival of the Lupercalia, of which
many write that it was anciently celebrated by shepherds, and has also
some connection with the Arcadian Lycaea. At this time many of the
noble youths and of the magistrates run up and down through the city
naked, for sport and laughter striking those they meet with shaggy
thongs. And many women of rank also purposely get in their way, and
like children at school present their hands to be struck, believing
that the pregnant will thus be helped to an easy delivery, and the
barren to pregnancy." - Plutarch, Life of Iulius Caesar 61.1-2



Today is the celebration of the Lupercalia. The Lupercalia was an
annual Roman festival held on February 15 to honour Faunus, god of
fertility and forests. Justin Martyr identified Faunus as Lupercus,
the one who wards off the wolf, but his identification is not
supported by any earlier classical sources. The festival was
celebrated near the cave of Lupercal on the Palatine (one of the seven
Roman hills), to expiate and purify new life in the Spring. This
festival's origins are older than the founding of Rome.

The religious ceremonies were directed by the Luperci, the "brothers
of the wolf", priests of Faunus, dressed only in a goatskin. During
Lupercalia, a dog and two male goats were sacrificed. Two patrician
youths were anointed with the blood, which was wiped off with wool
soaked in milk, after which they were expected to smile and laugh. The
Luperci afterwards dressed themselves in the skins of the sacrificed
goats, in imitation of Lupercus, and ran round the Palatine Hill with
thongs cut from the skins in their hands. These were called Februa.
Girls would line up on their route to receive lashes from these whips.
This was supposed to ensure fertility. The name of the month of
February is derived from the Latin februare, "to purify", meant as one
of the effects of fever, which has the same linguistic root.


"You did see that on the Lupercal,
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse." - William Shakespeare: Mark Antony
speaking of Caesar in "Julius Caesar" III.ii

Tradition states that on this day in 44 B.C., Marcus Antonius offered
Caesar a king's crown to rule over Rome, but Caesar refused, saying
"Only Iuppiter is king in Rome."


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87153 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-16
Subject: Re: [Nova_roma_] Latin Jokes with English Translations
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Iulia Tulliae Cornelio omnibusque S.P.D.
>
> Omnibus amicis meis Felicem Diem Sancti Valentini volo!
> (Happy st valentines day to all my friends!)
>
> Thank you Mento for starting this thread!
> Thank you Magistra mea for the corrections and helping us learn while we play!
>
> ATS2: You¹re welcome! Scrambled grammar is not very helpful in
> interpreting anything, especially jokes...
>
> From my "Latin Files":
>
> Scias te fortasse Romanum esse siÂ…
> (You know you may be a Roman ifÂ…)
>
> Â…numquam de negotio magni momenti decernas sine extispicio
> (Â…you never make major business decisions without first cutting open a sheep)
>
> ATS: Oh, so true!
>
> Â…unus ex officialibus tuis propriis est venenarius
> (Â…you have a personal poisoner on your staff)
>
> ATS: Wasn¹t there a certain Livia involved with a certain Claudius who
> believed in Do It Yourself? ;-)
>
> Â…nunquam admiresis te invenire gubernatorem imperii fatuum esse, vel pravum,
> vel vesanum
> (Â…you're never surprised to discover the guy running the empire is a moron,
> or evil, or mad)
>
> ATS: More truth. Maybe close to home, too.
>
> It's kinda late and I am old and tired *smile* but i shall give a translation
> a try with this little riddle. It's harder to translate from English to Latin
> but fortunately we are required to post in English as well so you all will
> know what i am trying to say:
>
> Ego nihil adhuc valent. Quid ego?
> (I am nothing, yet I have value. What am I?)
>
>
> ATS: Something is a bit off here...maybe valeo for valent, first person
> singular for third person plural.
>
> Nihil
> (Zero)
>
> ATS: Recté, and this is third person singular.
>
> Vale, et valete optime,
>
> Julia
>
> P.S. Si hoc legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinus
> alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes!
> (If you can read this, you can get a good job in the
> fast-paced, high-paying world of Latin!)
>
> ATS: Well, I don¹t know if they are fast-paced (though some are), but
> Terentius Tunberg wants $300 a pop for his seminars in living Latin immersion,
> so I think he is doing very, very well. Too bad we can¹t get him in the NR
> Senate, where he could afford the tariff...
>
>
> *from my "Latin Files"
>
> ATS: And these jokes, Julia mea, are genuinely funny, especially the first
> one, whereas those by certain other parties are not. There is nothing amusing
> about mutilating the Latin language and calling it a joke, producing Latin so
> dismembered that the best Latinists among us cannot understand what is being
> said because the grammar is so completely destroyed by the online translation
> system used. If a translation had not been provided, I would not have been
> able to understand what this party intended; the words may be correct, but the
> grammatical endings seem to be assigned at random, and have no meaning.
>
> On the other hand, good Latinists, like Lentulus, Cordus, Valerianus,
> Petronius, et al., and myself understand proper Latin, and try to write
> correct Latin. We don¹t need translations because we know enough to use the
> proper grammatical forms and try our best to use correct syntax. That concept
> has never crossed the mind of some others, including Babelfish and friends.
>
> Now if a certain someone really wants a place which needs lightening up,
> he should visit the curia and mention that to Certain Parties. ;-) I think
> any of us could attest that the place is about as cheerful as a funeral
> parlor.
>
> Vale et valete!
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A.
> Tullia Scholastica" <flavia@...> wrote:
>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > A. Tullia Scholastica Mentoni omnibusque S.P.D.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Salvete omnes!
>>> > >
>>> > > It's time to lighten up the mood of this place.  Let's have some laughs
and
>>> > > post some jokes.
>>> > >
>>> > > Please share your own Latin jokes but remember to also post their
>>> English
>>> > > Translations
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Jokes can be original or not original. Ancient jokes are ok.  The
>>> powers that
>>> > > be suggest no cussing, offensive or adult content and all jokes must
>>> have an
>>> > > English translation.  Try to be funny. Sometimes ancient jokes don't >>>
amuse
>>> > > modern sensibilities so modern versions are welcome.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Try out your Latin skills!  Remember Tullia Scholastica is watching!
>>> > >
>>> > > ATS: I am not the only Latinist around here who is watching...and
>>> > > groaning at this nonsense.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > I will start out:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Tu exaudi de stultum cum ambulabat mundi?     [Did you hear about the
>>> fool
>>> > > that walked around the world?]
>>> > >
>>> > > ATS: Good thing you translated this or nobody who knows Latin would
>>> have
>>> > > understood it. Correct Latin would be Exaudistin¹ de stulto qui mundum
/
>>> > > orbem terrarum circumambulavit? The last word, however, is extremely
>>> rare,
>>> > > with only one (and apparently late) citation in the OLD.
>>> > >
>>> > >  <pause> 
>>> > >
>>> > >  <wait for it>
>>> > >
>>> > > Demerus est.    [He drowned.]
>>> > >
>>> > > ATS: Ain¹t no sech word. Perhaps you mean demersus est, but this
is
>>> > > causative: he has been caused to be drowned, i.e., someone drowned him.
I
>>> > > don¹t think that is what is meant here. Submergo or mergo is better, or
>>> aquá
>>> > > perire. However, I don¹t find this terribly amusing despite my very >>>
good
>>> > > sense of humor...
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Go to it!
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Vale et valete bene!
>>> > >
>>> > > D. Mento
>>> > >
>>> > > Valete.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87154 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-16
Subject: a.d. XIV Kal. Mar.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XIV Kalendas Martius; hic dies endotercisus est.

"As my subject requires not only that a full account of the way the
battle was fought should be given, but also that the subsequent tragic
events, which resemble the sudden reversals of fortune seen upon the
stage, should be related in no perfunctory manner, I shall endeavour,
as far as I am able, to give an accurate account of every incident.
When the time came, then, for giving effect to the terms of the
agreement, the Roman forces marched out in full strength, and
afterwards the youths, when they had offered up their prayers to the
gods of their fathers; they advanced accompanied by the king, while
the entire throng that filed the city acclaimed them and strewed
flowers upon their heads. By this time the Albans' army also had
marched out. And when the armies had encamped near one another,
leaving as an interval between their camps the boundary that separated
the Roman territory from that of the Albans, each side occupying the
site of its previous camp, they first offered sacrifice and swore over
the burnt offerings that they would acquiesce in whatever fate the
event of the combat between the cousins should allot to each city and
that they would keep inviolate their agreement, neither they nor their
posterity making use of any deceit. Then, after performing the rites
which religion required, both the Romans and Albans laid aside their
arms and came out in front of their camps to be spectators of the
combat, leaving an interval of three or four stades for the champions.
And presently appeared the Alban general conducting the Curiatii and
the Roman king escorting the Horatii, all of them armed in the most
splendid fashion and withal dressed like men about to die. When they
came near to one another they gave their swords to their
armour-bearers, and running to one another, embraced, weeping and
calling each other by the tenderest names, so that all the spectators
were moved to tears and accused both themselves and their leaders of
great heartlessness, in that, when it was possible to decide the
battle by other champions, they had limited the combat on behalf of
the cities to men of kindred blood and compelled the pollution of
fratricide. The youths, after their embraces were over, received their
swords from their armour-bearers, and the bystanders having retired,
they took their places according to age and began the combat." -
Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.18


The morning is fastus, being still connected to the celebration of the
Lupercalia from yesterday; this evening is nefastus, being connected
to the upcoming celebration of the Quirinalia.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87155 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-17
Subject: a.d. XIII Kal. Mar, - THE QUIRINALIA
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XIII Kalendas Martius; hic dies nefastus publicus est.

Today is the celebration of the Quirinalia, dedicated to the god
Quirinus. At first he probably was a Sabine god. Sabines had a
settlement near the future site of Rome, and they called one of their
sites, in which they had erected an altar, the Collis Quirinalis
("Quirinal Hill") after Quirinus; this area was later included among
the Seven hills of Rome, and Quirinus became one of the most important
gods of the state as the deified form of Romulus, the founder and
first king of Rome.

His name derives from co-viri "men together"; as such, he embodied the
military and economic strength of the Roman populus collectively. He
also watched over the curia (the Senate House) and comitia curiata,
the names of which are cognate with his own. He was sometimes
associated with the myrtle plant. A Roman citizen is called a
"quirite", after the god, and it was a title that brings enormous
pride to the bearer.

"Then a few voices began to proclaim Romulus's divinity; the cry was
taken up, and at last every man present hailed him as a god and son of
a god, and prayed to him to be for ever gracious and to protect his
children. However, even on this great occasion there were, I believe,
a few dissentients who secretly maintained that the king had been torn
to pieces by the senators. At all events the story got about, though
in veiled terms; but it was not important, as awe, and admiration for
Romulus's greatness, set the seal upon the other version of his end,
which was, moreover, given further credit by the timely action of a
certain Julius Proculus, a man, we are told, honored for his wise
counsel on weighty matters. The loss of the king had left the people
in an uneasy mood and suspicious of the senators, and Proculus, aware
of the prevalent temper, conceived the shrewd idea of addressing the
Assembly. Romulus, he declared, the father of our City descended from
heaven at dawn this morning and appeared to me. In awe and reverence I
stood before him, praying for permission to look upon his face without
sin. "Go," he said, "and tell the Romans that by heaven's will my Rome
shall be capital of the world. Let them learn to be soldiers. Let them
know, and teach their children, that no power on earth can stand
against Roman arms." Having spoken these words, he was taken up again
into the sky." - Livy, History of Rome 1.16

At Romulus' death a cloud of suspicion fell on the patricians, and
Proculus, a man of note, took oath that he saw Romulus caught up into
heaven in his arms and vestments, and heard him, as he ascended, cry
out that they should hereafter style him by the name of Quirinus. As
the god Quirinus, Romulus joined Iuppiter and Mars as Quirinus in the
Archaic Triad. Quirinus was depicted as beared warrior in both
religous and battle clothing weilding a spear, thus he is viewed a god
of war and as the strength of the Roman people, but more importantly,
as the deified likeness of the city of Rome itself.


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87156 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: De Foro Romano.
C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,

It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel something odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of death.

Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and the magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions than to speak on the main list.

My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment we have Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the agenda of the current meeting. They have given you too the results of the votes in the last meeting of January. I ask you to read the Tribune report. I want to hear your advices in this Forum. More we will have debates and discusses more we will be able to find solutions fair towards each of us.

A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to pay the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less citizens every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of the last years. The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you may know it in reading the tribune's report.

My opinion is:
More we will be, less we will pay.

Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the citizens, called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the citizenship must have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est $2,00 per month.

So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370 free of taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova Roma will have $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.

As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your citizenship tax, we must make it lower.

As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495 citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.

Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of Nova Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You have the right to freely speak. Use it.

Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully interested in Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues? Do you share the dream to make it a reality?

Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
and make it your!

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87157 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: a.d. XII Kal. Mar.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XII Kalendas Martius; haec dies comitialis est.

"They feared, however, that when their league had been disbanded they
might either find their agreements ineffectual or might be harmed
through their separation, being arrested and punished one after
another on various pretexts. So they formed a compact to lend aid to
one another in case any one of them should be wronged in any
particular; and they took oaths to this effect and forthwith elected
from their own number two representatives,— and afterward still more,—
in order that each class might have a helper and avenger. And this
they did not once only, but the idea now conceived in this form kept
growing, and they appointed their representative for a year, as to
some office. The men were called in the tongue of the Latins tribuni,—
the same name that was given to the commanders of a thousand,— but
were styled demarchoi [leaders of the people] in the Greek language.
In order, however, to distinguish between the titles of the tribunes,
they added in the one case the phrase "of the soldiers," and in the
other the phrase "of the people." Now these tribunes of the people (or
demarchoi) became responsible for great evils that befell Rome. For
though they did not immediately secure the title of magistrates, they
gained power beyond all others, defending every one who begged
protection and rescuing every one who called upon them not only from
private individuals, but from the very magistrates, except the
dictators. If any one ever invoked them when absent, he, too, was
released from the person holding him prisoner and was either brought
before the populace by them or was set free. And if ever they saw fit
that anything should not be done, they prevented it, whether the
person acting were a private citizen or a magistrate; and if the
populace or the senate was about to do or to vote anything and a
single tribune opposed it, the action or the vote became null and
void. As time went on, they were allowed, or allowed themselves, to
summon the senate, to punish anybody who disobeyed them, to practise
divination, and to hold court. And in the case of anything that was
unlawful for them to do, they gained their point by their
incontestable opposition to every project undertaken by others. For
they introduced laws to the effect that whoever should obstruct them
by deed or word, be he private citizen or magistrate, should be
"devoted" and under a curse. This being "devoted" meant destruction;
for this was the term applied to everything that was consecrated, like
a victim, for slaughter. The tribunes themselves were termed by the
multitude sacrosanct, since they served as sacred walls, so to speak,
for the shelter of such as invoked them; for sacra among the Romans
means "walls," and sancta "sacred." Many of their actions were
unwarrantable, for they threw even consuls into prison and put men to
death without granting them a hearing. Nobody ventured to oppose them;
or, in case anyone did, he himself became "devoted." If, however,
persons were not condemned by all the tribunes, they would call to
their help those who had not concurred in the verdict, and so were
given a regular trial before the tribunes themselves or before a jury
or before the populace, and were subject to the deciding vote. In the
course of time the number of the tribunes was fixed at ten, and as a
result of this most of their power was overthrown." - Cassius Dio,
"Roman History" VI.15

"The next day Brutus and those who had been sent with him returned,
having effected the agreement with the senate through the arbiters of
peace who are called by the Romans fetiales. And the people, dividing
themselves into the clans of that day, or whatever one wishes to term
the divisions which the Romans call curiae, chose for their annual
magistrates the following persons: Lucius Junius Brutus and Gaius
Sicinius Bellutus, whom they had had as their leaders up to that time,
and, in addition to these, Gaius and Publius Licinius and Gaius
Visellius Ruga. These five persons were the first who received the
tribunician power, on the fourth day before the ides of December, as
is the custom even to our time. The election being over, the envoys of
the senate considered that everything for which they had been sent was
now properly settled. But Brutus, calling the plebeians together,
advised them to render this magistracy sacred and inviolable, insuring
its security by both a law and an oath. This was approved of by all,
and a law was drawn up by him and his colleagues, as follows: "Let no
one compel a tribune of the people, as if he were an ordinary person,
to do anything against his will; let no one whip him or order another
to whip him; and let no one kill him or order another to kill him. If
anybody shall do any one of these things that are forbidden, let him
be accursed and let his goods be consecrated to Ceres; and if anybody
shall kill one who has done any of these things, let him be guiltless
of murder." And to the end that the people might not even in future
p123be at liberty to repeal this law, but that it might forever remain
unalterable, it was ordained that all the Romans should solemnly swear
over the sacrificial victims to observe it for all time, both they and
their posterity; and a prayer was added to the oath that the heavenly
gods and the divinities of the lower world might be propitious to
those who observed it, and that the displeasure of the gods and
divinities might be visited upon those who violated it, as being
guilty of the greatest sacrilege. From this the custom arose among the
Romans of regarding the persons of the tribunes of the people as
sacrosanct, which custom continues to this day." - Dionysius of
Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" VI.89

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87158 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: Re: De Foro Romano.
C. Maria Caeca C. Petronio Dextero omnibusque in foro S. P. D.

While it is absolutely essential to meet our current and previous obligations, I think that it is also important to build on our existing financial base, because, once we have left crisis mode, and begin to grow once again, we will want to do some things, and they may well cost money, so increasing our resources now is an investment in this organization, and will support its growth.

I will happily pay any tax on which the Senate decides, if I can, and if I cannot, then I will do what I consider to be the honorable thing, and quietly leave. The presence, or absence, for that matter, of any 1 citizen cannot be allowed to effect or inhibit an organization's growth or fiscal well being.

I do think, however, that some way be found, without requiring people to provide confidential financial information, or requiring a means test, to make it as easy for people on fixed incomes or students with heavy financial obligations to pay their taxes. Then again, if the tax for each citizen, including the current Capite Censi, is under $25, that shouldn't be necessary.

Vale et valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87159 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: Re: De Foro Romano.
Ave Senator et Amice, and omnes,

I want to point out a correction, Nova Roma does need a profit. If you,
citizens of Nova Roma want Nova Roma to accomplish its goals and visions a
profit will be needed. If you want Nova Roma to expand outside of the
current services it offers, which is just the website and pretty much
nothing else, it will require money. When Nova Roma resumes getting
wonderful ideas and sparks of innovation, while it should be through the
private sector that those get acted on (via the Macellum) but it should be
assumed that NR will contribute too.

The point that I specifically want to address, with my amice, Dexter is
profit is a good thing! It helps fertilize the garden of ideas and helps
give the jumpstart. AND more importantly it is through profit that NR
saves a cushion during those years where we have lean years or when
unforseen bills get presented. To only met ones obligations works only in
a perfect world when one can predict all eventualities. We do not live in
that world. We have to plan for eventualities that we cannot see and the
only way to do that is to have a cushion to soften those blows.

Profit, in short is a very good thing! Something Nova Roma has rarely
experienced and something we must have if we are going to ever achieve the
goals that is specified in the declaration, that my amice included at the
bottom of his post.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:31 AM, petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
>
> It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel something
> odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of death.
>
> Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and the
> magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions than to
> speak on the main list.
>
> My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment we have
> Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the agenda of the
> current meeting. They have given you too the results of the votes in the
> last meeting of January. I ask you to read the Tribune report. I want to
> hear your advices in this Forum. More we will have debates and discusses
> more we will be able to find solutions fair towards each of us.
>
> A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to pay
> the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less citizens
> every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of the last years.
> The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you may know it in
> reading the tribune's report.
>
> My opinion is:
> More we will be, less we will pay.
>
> Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the citizens,
> called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the citizenship must
> have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est $2,00 per month.
>
> So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370 free of
> taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova Roma will have
> $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
>
> As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your
> citizenship tax, we must make it lower.
>
> As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495
> citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
>
> Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of Nova
> Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You have the
> right to freely speak. Use it.
>
> Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully interested in
> Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues? Do you share the
> dream to make it a reality?
>
> Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
> and make it your!
>
> Optime valete.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87160 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: Re: De Foro Romano.
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Petronio Dextro C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
>
> It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel something odd
> with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of death.
>
> ATS: Indeed.
>
> Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and the
> magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions than to speak
> on the main list.
>
> ATS: Yes, we have a lot of work in the Senate, and those of us who read
> the various SCs have found some little surprises buried within them.
>
> My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment we have
> Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the agenda of the
> current meeting. They have given you too the results of the votes in the last
> meeting of January. I ask you to read the Tribune report. I want to hear your
> advices in this Forum. More we will have debates and discusses more we will be
> able to find solutions fair towards each of us.
>
> ATS: I concur with Petronius. I must say that I am surprised that no one
> has commented on these consulta despite their importance to all of the
> citizens. There are some further updates, too, which have not been published
> here. Is it important to any of the citizens that they must pay their taxes
> solely by PayPal, and cannot use checks as in the past? Is it important that
> no one who is a mere member of what the majority in the Senate considers a
> competing organization may resume NR citizenship once he or she has resigned?
> In the recent past, those who are magistrates or directors of other such
> organizations have been sent packing from NR, but now simple members are to be
> barred as well if they leave us and wish to return. That means that if the
> Senate decides that the American Institute of Archaeology or the Junior
> Classical League or the Grex Latine Loquentium or the British Museum is a
> competing organization, members of those may be barred from resuming
> membership in NR. Is this what the citizenry wants?
>
> Quirites, please READ these documents, and read them CAREFULLY. Speak out
> if you do not like what is being proposed.
>
> A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to pay the
> website location and to pay a voting place per year with less citizens every
> year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of the last years. The
> amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you may know it in reading the
> tribune's report.
>
> ATS: Yes; this is reality for us.
>
> My opinion is:
> More we will be, less we will pay.
>
> Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the citizens, called
> capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the citizenship must have a
> price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est $2,00 per month.
>
> ATS: And this is fairly reasonable, if spread out among everyone here.
>
> So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370 free of
> taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova Roma will have
> $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
>
> As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your citizenship
> tax, we must make it lower.
>
> As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495 citizens
> pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
>
> Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of Nova
> Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You have the right
> to freely speak. Use it.
>
> Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully interested in Nova
> Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues? Do you share the dream to
> make it a reality?
>
> ATS: I agree. PLEASE, citizens, make your opinions known, even if they
> do not agree with some in the Senate and / or high magistrates. This is
> supposed to be a democracy, not an oligarchy ruled by SC from the Senate.
> Even the most boneheaded senators might listen if you speak out. If you keep
> silent, they will let their own views rule them, not the good of NR or her
> citizens. Please speak up! Silence is not always golden, though there are
> some who really should hold their tongues. Meaningless comments such as ecce
> are not what we need; we need some input on serious matters from thoughtful
> citizens.
>
> Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
> and make it your!
>
> ATS: Rectissimé!
>
> Optime valete.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
>
> Valete!
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87161 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: Call to Factios!!!!!
omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

this is the call to all 4 Factios! Assemble your chariots! Polish them, get the drivers ready, and prepare yourselves! It's RACE TIME!!! Well, it will be race time, very soon. There will be chariot races during the Ludi Novi Romani, which begins on March 1. We will need 16 participants for a complete field, so start now!

For those who are new, you can join a racing faction and participate in our chariot races. It's a *great* way to start getting involved in Nova Roma, *and* it's fun and exciting!

For information on the races, please visit http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_rules. As to the factios, well, perhaps the heads of each factio could post with reasons for joining his/hr factio? And, before you ask, yes, I have a favorite, but ...I'll discuss *that* in another post.

I challenge and double dare all of you to enter the Chariot races of the Ludi Novi Romani! These are *our* Ludi, created by Novi Romani, *for* Novi Romani, so, be there!

Valete quam Optime
C. Maria Caeca
Curule Aedile



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87162 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-18
Subject: Re: De Foro Romano.
A. Liburnius Hadrianus Tribunus Plebis Quiritibus Omnibus Salutem!

As you know, the Senate is debating ways to cope with budget deficit and NR shortness of funds.

You have heard from senator Sulla, Senatrix Scholatica, praetor Dexter, consul Caesar and many others. I would like to add my voice to theirs to exhort you to become involved as full fledged citizens and support the Nova Roma dream.

I will not exhort you to do so because of  financial concerns.
I will do it as your Tribune, the defender of your voice and your freedom.
I will do it because your voice counts and of that, you should take full advantage. 

According to our constitution your voice, expressed in a plebiscite, trumps everything except a legally appointed dictator. Do not throw this immense power away by apathy, indolence or indifference.

Do not ever think that your vote  does not count. I am one of your tribunes by one vote!

Become full fledged citizens and start exercising your voting rights and duties. Supporting your elected magistrates or holding their feet to the fire is in your power.

Like your Roman ancestors, do not be afraid to stand up and be counted!

Di vos incolumes custodiant

From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] De Foro Romano.


 
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Petronio Dextro C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
>
> It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel something odd
> with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of death.
>
> ATS: Indeed.
>
> Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and the
> magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions than to speak
> on the main list.
>
> ATS: Yes, we have a lot of work in the Senate, and those of us who read
> the various SCs have found some little surprises buried within them.
>
> My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment we have
> Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the agenda of the
> current meeting. They have given you too the results of the votes in the last
> meeting of January. I ask you to read the Tribune report. I want to hear your
> advices in this Forum. More we will have debates and discusses more we will be
> able to find solutions fair towards each of us.
>
> ATS: I concur with Petronius. I must say that I am surprised that no one
> has commented on these consulta despite their importance to all of the
> citizens. There are some further updates, too, which have not been published
> here. Is it important to any of the citizens that they must pay their taxes
> solely by PayPal, and cannot use checks as in the past? Is it important that
> no one who is a mere member of what the majority in the Senate considers a
> competing organization may resume NR citizenship once he or she has resigned?
> In the recent past, those who are magistrates or directors of other such
> organizations have been sent packing from NR, but now simple members are to be
> barred as well if they leave us and wish to return. That means that if the
> Senate decides that the American Institute of Archaeology or the Junior
> Classical League or the Grex Latine Loquentium or the British Museum is a
> competing organization, members of those may be barred from resuming
> membership in NR. Is this what the citizenry wants?
>
> Quirites, please READ these documents, and read them CAREFULLY. Speak out
> if you do not like what is being proposed.
>
> A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to pay the
> website location and to pay a voting place per year with less citizens every
> year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of the last years. The
> amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you may know it in reading the
> tribune's report.
>
> ATS: Yes; this is reality for us.
>
> My opinion is:
> More we will be, less we will pay.
>
> Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the citizens, called
> capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the citizenship must have a
> price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est $2,00 per month.
>
> ATS: And this is fairly reasonable, if spread out among everyone here.
>
> So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370 free of
> taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova Roma will have
> $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
>
> As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your citizenship
> tax, we must make it lower.
>
> As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495 citizens
> pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
>
> Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of Nova
> Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You have the right
> to freely speak. Use it.
>
> Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully interested in Nova
> Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues? Do you share the dream to
> make it a reality?
>
> ATS: I agree. PLEASE, citizens, make your opinions known, even if they
> do not agree with some in the Senate and / or high magistrates. This is
> supposed to be a democracy, not an oligarchy ruled by SC from the Senate.
> Even the most boneheaded senators might listen if you speak out. If you keep
> silent, they will let their own views rule them, not the good of NR or her
> citizens. Please speak up! Silence is not always golden, though there are
> some who really should hold their tongues. Meaningless comments such as ecce
> are not what we need; we need some input on serious matters from thoughtful
> citizens.
>
> Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
> and make it your!
>
> ATS: Rectissimé!
>
> Optime valete.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
>
> Valete!
>
>
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87163 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-02-19
Subject: Re: De Foro Romano.
Dear Romans,

Upon our Arcoiali Scribebat's plea below, I'm grateful to help perpetuate all that is Roman. Please accept my humble offering of $24.00 paid today 2/19/12 Sn at 4pm via Nova Roma web site.

Viva Roma!!

Ti. Marcius Quadra


________________________________
From: petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 7:31 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] De Foro Romano.


 
C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,

It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel something odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of death.

Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and the magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions than to speak on the main list.

My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment we have Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the agenda of the current meeting. They have given you too the results of the votes in the last meeting of January. I ask you to read the Tribune report. I want to hear your advices in this Forum. More we will have debates and discusses more we will be able to find solutions fair towards each of us.

A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to pay the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less citizens every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of the last years. The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you may know it in reading the tribune's report.

My opinion is:
More we will be, less we will pay.

Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the citizens, called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the citizenship must have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est $2,00 per month.

So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370 free of taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova Roma will have $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.

As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your citizenship tax, we must make it lower.

As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495 citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.

Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of Nova Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You have the right to freely speak. Use it.

Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully interested in Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues? Do you share the dream to make it a reality?

Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
and make it your!

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87164 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-19
Subject: Re: De Foro Romano.
Ave!

You might want to verify if that is the correct tax payment amount.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Dear Romans,
>
> Upon our Arcoiali Scribebat's plea below, I'm grateful to help perpetuate
> all that is Roman. Please accept my humble offering of $24.00 paid today
> 2/19/12 Sn at 4pm via Nova Roma web site.
>
> Viva Roma!!
>
> Ti. Marcius Quadra
>
> ________________________________
> From: petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 7:31 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] De Foro Romano.
>
>
>
>
> C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
>
> It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel something
> odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of death.
>
> Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and the
> magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions than to
> speak on the main list.
>
> My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment we have
> Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the agenda of the
> current meeting. They have given you too the results of the votes in the
> last meeting of January. I ask you to read the Tribune report. I want to
> hear your advices in this Forum. More we will have debates and discusses
> more we will be able to find solutions fair towards each of us.
>
> A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to pay
> the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less citizens
> every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of the last years.
> The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you may know it in
> reading the tribune's report.
>
> My opinion is:
> More we will be, less we will pay.
>
> Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the citizens,
> called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the citizenship must
> have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est $2,00 per month.
>
> So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370 free of
> taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova Roma will have
> $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
>
> As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your
> citizenship tax, we must make it lower.
>
> As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495
> citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
>
> Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of Nova
> Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You have the
> right to freely speak. Use it.
>
> Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully interested in
> Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues? Do you share the
> dream to make it a reality?
>
> Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
> and make it your!
>
> Optime valete.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87165 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-19
Subject: a.d. .XI Kal. Mar.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XI Kalendas Martias; haec dies comitialis est.

"For a time quiet and silence prevailed in both armies, and then there
was shouting by both sides together and alternate exhortations to the
combatants; and there were vows and lamentations and continual
expressions of every other emotion experienced in battle, some of them
caused by what was either being enacted or witnessed by each side, and
others by their apprehensions of the outcome; and the things they
imagined outnumbered those which actually were happening. For it was
impossible to see very clearly, owing to the great distance, and the
partiality of each side for their own champions interpreted everything
that passed to match their desire; then, too, the frequent advances
and retreats of the combatants and their many sudden countercharges
rendered any accurate judgment out of the question; and this situation
lasted a considerable time. For the champions on both sides not only
were alike in strength of body but were well matched also in nobility
of spirit, and they had their entire bodies protected by the choicest
armour, leaving no part exposed which if wounded would bring on swift
death. So that many, both of the Romans and of the Albans, from their
eager rivalry and from their partiality for their own champions, were
unconsciously putting themselves in the position of the combatants and
desired rather to be actors in the drama that was being enacted than
spectators. At last the eldest of the Albans, closing with his
adversary and giving and receiving blow after blow, happened somehow
to run his sword thru the Roman's groin. The latter was already
stupefied from his other wounds, and now receiving this final low, a
mortal one, he fell down dead, his limbs no longer supporting him.
5When the spectators of the combat saw this they all cried out
together, the Albans as already victorious, the Romans as vanquished;
for they concluded that their two champions would be easily dispatched
by the three Albans. In the meantime, the Roman who had fought by the
side of the fallen champion, seeing the Alban rejoicing in his
success, quickly rushed upon him, and after inflicting many wounds and
receiving many himself, happened to plunge his sword into his neck and
killed him. After Fortune had thus in a short time made a great
alteration both in the state of the combatants and in the feelings of
the spectators, and the Romans had now recovered from their former
dejection while the Albans had had their joy snatched away, another
shift of Fortune, by giving a check to the success of the Romans, sunk
their hopes and raised the confidence of their enemies. For when Alban
fell, his brother who stood next to him closed with the Roman who had
struck him down; and each, as it chanced, gave the other a dangerous
wound at the same time, the Alban plunging his sword down through the
Roman's back into his bowels, and the Roman throwing himself under the
shield of his adversary and slashing one of his thighs." - Dionysius
of Halicarnassus 3.19


Today the Sun enters the zodiacal Sign of Pisces. According to one
version in Greek mythology, this constellation represents fish into
which Aphrodite and Eros transformed in order to escape the monstrous
Typhon. The two fishes are often depicted tied together with a cord,
to make sure they do not lose one another.


On this day in A.D. 356 the emperor Constantius II ordered all pagan
temples in the empire closed. He was born in Sirmium (in Illyricum)
and when his father died in 337, he led the massacre of his relatives
decended from the second marriage of Constantius I Chlorus and
Theodora, leaving himself, his older brother Constantine II, his
younger brother Constans and two cousins (Julian "the Apostate" and
his brother Gallus) as the only surviving adult males related to
Constantine. The three brothers divided the Roman Empire between them
according to their father's will. Constantine II received Britain,
Gaul and Spain; Constans ruled Italy, Africa, and the Illyrian
provinces; and Constantius ruled Constantinople and the East.

This division changed when Constantine II died in 340, trying to
overthrow Constans in Italy, and Constans become sole ruler in the
Western half of the empire. The division changed once more in 350 when
Constans was killed in battle by forces loyal to the usurper
Magnentius. Until this time Constantius was preoccupied with fighting
the Sassanid Empire, and he was forced to elevate his cousin Gallus to
Caesar to assist him while he turned his attention to this usurper.

Constantius eventually met and crushed Magnentius in the Battle of
Mursa Major, one of the bloodiest battles in Roman history, in 351.
Magnentius committed suicide in 353, and Constantius soon after put
his cousin Gallus to death. However, he still could not handle the
military affairs of both the Eastern and German frontiers by himself,
so in 355 he elevated his last remaining relative, Julian, to Caesar.
Constantius II then visited Rome in the spring of AD 357 and then
moved north to campaign against the Sarmatians, Suevi and the Quadi
along the Danube. But it wasn't long before once again he was needed
in the east, where the Persian king Sapor II had broken the peace yet
again. Although in his last war Sapor II been repulsed in his attacks
on the fortress cities of Mesopotamia then this time he was to meet
with some success. Amida and Singara both fell to his armies in AD 359.

Hard pushed by the Parthian assault, Constantius II asked Julian to
send some of his western troops as reinforcements. But Julian's
solders simply refused to obey. They suspected in this demand only
Constantius II's jealousy toward Julian's success in the west. The
soldiers believed that Constantius II sought only to weaken Julian, so
that he could deal with him with greater ease, once he had brought the
Persian war to an end. These suspicions were not without foundation,
as Julian's military successes in the west did indeed win him little
else but the ill will of his emperor. So much so, that it is possible
that designs on Julian's life were being made at the time. Instead of
complying with their emperor's orders they proclaimed Julian Augustus.
Julian, whilst reluctant to take the throne, accepted. As Julian was
hailed Augustus by the army in Gaul, Constantius saw no alternative
but to face the usurper with violent force. As the two armies sought
engagement, Constantius died from a fever near Tarsus on November 3,
361, and Julian was hailed Augustus in the whole of the Roman empire.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87166 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-19
Subject: Contest announcement: Ludi Novi Romani
Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

The Ludi Romani, which begin on March 1, are the only games created in Nova Roma, by Nova Romans, for Nova Romans, so they are very special. they celebrate our founding, so this set of games is our birthday party! I can't provide a feast, though I'd dearly love to, complete with cake and ice cream, but we *can* celebrate with great Ludi. But, to do that, we will need your active participation. One way that anyone, citizen or not, can participate is by entering the essay contest we will be holding. It will be formally announced on the 1st day of the Ludi ...but you might want to get started on writing your entries now.

You will be asked for at least a 300 word essay answering the following questions. What brought you to Nova Roma? What keeps you in Nova Roma?

There will be a panel of impartial judges, and there will be prizes, fame and glory! So ...start writing!

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Curule Aedile

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87167 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-02-19
Subject: Re: Call to Factios!!!!!
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C. Mariae Caecae Aedilis Curulis Omnibusque S.P.D.

Is there an e-mail address where entries can be submitted to? I'm
definitely submitting an entry, and I urge fellow members of chariot
faction (*Veneta* *aka The Blues*) and all citizens to participate in the
races especially our new citizens.


Valete Optime,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87168 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-19
Subject: Re: Call to Factios!!!!!
Salve Aeternia!

I will be providing that information later on, now, all you all need to do is polish those chariots, put the finishing touches on those drivers' training, and strategize!

Vale et valete!
C. Maria Caeca
Curule Aedile

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87169 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Pages missing
Regilla omnibus sal.

I don't know if this topic was already discussed here, but I realized some things on website.

We have only 2 Senate Reports on wiki. The latter is from 2008. Well, now we have 3, I published the January Senate Report as I received from Liburnius (he asked me to publish there). Today I will work on "wikification" of the page. I noted that we have some pages with "Senate Report" on the titles by a seach, but they aren't on Senate Reports category. Nevertheless, are only a few pages. The wiki Senate Reports: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Senate_reports_(Nova_Roma)

The latter modification in the Senate Sessions is from 2008 too. I don't see the January Senate Session of this year there. The wiki Senate Sessions: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Senate_sessions_(Nova_Roma)

Why the sessions and reports, from 2008 until today, aren't there?

Optime valete!


--

V.A. Regilla
Tribuna Plebis


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87170 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
C. Petronius V. A. Regillae omnibusque sal.

> I don't know if this topic was already discussed here, but I realized some things on website.
> We have only 2 Senate Reports on wiki. The latter is from 2008.

You may see also something here:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Sessions_of_the_Senate_(Nova_Roma)

And you may find all the tribunician reports on the main list and some on the comitia plebis tributa list.

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
X Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87171 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Regilla sal.

Thank you, Dexter!

I don't know if I can edit those pages. Please, could you add the categorization, at least to January Session? They need to be accessible by categories browsing too. For example, Session January 2765 can be included to Senate Sessions category, but can't be included to Senate Reports until they have the details of the session on the table. Session XCVII Dec.16-Dec.22 can be included to Senate Sessions and Senate Reports because has all details.

The Senate Sessions of last year, on the link you published, are missing.
 
--
V.A. Regilla
Tribuna Plebis



________________________________
De: petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 20 de Fevereiro de 2012 6:15
Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pages missing


 
C. Petronius V. A. Regillae omnibusque sal.

> I don't know if this topic was already discussed here, but I realized some things on website.
> We have only 2 Senate Reports on wiki. The latter is from 2008.

You may see also something here:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Sessions_of_the_Senate_(Nova_Roma)

And you may find all the tribunician reports on the main list and some on the comitia plebis tributa list.

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
X Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87172 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
C. Petronius Aemiliae Regillae salutem,

> I don't know if I can edit those pages.

Those pages are under the authorisation of the censors. I do not may edit them more than you.

But, in my opinion it may be possible that the tribunes have their wiki pages with the tribunician reports that they posted year after year with links to the ML or the texts in wiki pages.

> The Senate Sessions of last year, on the link you published, are missing.

Those pages are under the authority of the censors perhaps they did not have time, last year, to write them.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. X Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87173 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
C. Petronius Aemiliae Regillae salutem,

>>> The Senate Sessions of last year, on the link you published, are missing. <<<

I just added the Tribunician Senate report of November/December 2009 that I wrote in the categorie Senate reports.

It is not an easy job. :o)

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. X Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87174 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: a.d. X Kal. Mar.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodie est ante diem X Kalendas Martias; haec dies fastus est.

"The one who had received the mortal wound died instantly, and the
other, who had been wounded in the thigh, was scarcely able to stand,
but limped and frequently leaned upon his shield. Nevertheless, he
still made a show of resistance and with his surviving brother
advanced against the Roman, who stood his ground; and they surrounded
him, one coming up to him from in front and the other from behind.
The Roman, fearing that, being thus surrounded by them and obliged to
fight with two adversaries attacking him from two sides, he might
easily be overcome — he was still uninjured — hit upon the plan of
separating his enemies and fighting each one singly. he thought he
could most easily separate them by feigning flight; for then he would
not be pursued by both the Albans, but only by one of them, since he
saw that the other no longer had control of his limbs. With this
thought in mind he fled as fast as he could; and it was his good
fortune not to be disappointed in his expectation. For the Alban who
was not mortally wounded followed at his heels, while the other, being
unable to keep going was falling altogether too far behind. Then
indeed the Albans encouraged their men and the Romans reproached their
champion with cowardice, the former singing songs of triumph and
crowning themselves with garlands as if the contest were already won,
and the others lamenting as if Fortune would never raise them up
again. But the Roman, having carefully waited for his opportunity,
turned quickly and, before the Alban could put himself on his guard,
struck him a blow on the arm with his sword and clove his elbow in
twain, and when his hand fell to the ground together with his sword,
he struck one more blow, a mortal one, and dispatched the Alban; then,
rushing from him to the last of his adversaries, who was half dead and
fainting, he slew him also. And taking the spoils from the bodies of
his cousins, he hastened to the city, wishing to give his father the
first news of his victory." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.20



"Let us now praise famous men, and our fathers in their
generations...There were those who ruled in their kingdoms, and were
men renowned for their power, giving counsel by their understanding,
and proclaiming prophecies; leaders of the people in their
deliberations and in understanding of learning for the people, wise in
their words of instruction; those who composed musical tunes, and set
forth verses in writing; rich men furnished with resources, living
peaceably in their habitations -- all these were honored in their
generations, and were the glory of their times. There are some of them
who have left a name, so that men declare their praise. And there are
some who have no memorial, who have perished as though they had not
lived; they have become as though they had not been born, and so have
their children after them. But these were men of mercy, whose
righteous deeds have not been forgotten... Their posterity will
continue for ever, and their glory will not be blotted out. Their
bodies were buried in peace, and their name lives to all generations."
- The Wisdom of Jesus the son of Sirach (Ecclesiasticus) 44:1-10, 13-14


Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87175 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Regilla sal.

Thank you!
 
--
V.A. Regilla
Tribuna Plebis



________________________________
De: petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 20 de Fevereiro de 2012 9:39
Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pages missing


 
C. Petronius Aemiliae Regillae salutem,

>>> The Senate Sessions of last year, on the link you published, are missing. <<<

I just added the Tribunician Senate report of November/December 2009 that I wrote in the categorie Senate reports.

It is not an easy job. :o)

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. X Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87176 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Regilla sal.

Oh sorry, I didn't know that those pages are under the authorisation of the censors.

I agree that tribunician reports get accessible via wiki, the same way they were published on lists. Tribunes already have an category that can publish there, so why not publish, isn't it?

Optime vale!
 
--
V.A. Regilla
Tribuna Plebis



________________________________
De: petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 20 de Fevereiro de 2012 7:33
Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pages missing


 
C. Petronius Aemiliae Regillae salutem,

> I don't know if I can edit those pages.

Those pages are under the authorisation of the censors. I do not may edit them more than you.

But, in my opinion it may be possible that the tribunes have their wiki pages with the tribunician reports that they posted year after year with links to the ML or the texts in wiki pages.

> The Senate Sessions of last year, on the link you published, are missing.

Those pages are under the authority of the censors perhaps they did not have time, last year, to write them.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. X Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87177 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
A. Liburnius Hadrianus V. Aemiliae Regillae quiritibusque salutem
 
I sent you the January  2012 voting report in text format.
 
After a preamble, each Senatus Consultum (SC) is treated individually in two parts: text of the SC  and votes casted by each senator. Voting statements, if any were made, are also included and attributed to the appropriate senator.
 
The folder you want to use has not been used since approximately 5 years ago. To publish anything past 2007, i.e. 2760 ab Urbe condita (a.U.c.), previous tribunician reports needs to be extracted from the Main List. Talking about SC's, last year was very quiet. I do not remember many being generated. As you, I became a tribune in December 2011  (2764 a.U.c.), it was the responsibility of the previous year's tribune to publish previous reports.
 
There was no Senate session in December 2011 (2764 a.U.c). There was a session in January 2012 (2765 a.U.c), for which I generated the tribunician report I sent you in its entirety. The report was generated and published in February 2012, after the voting period was ended.  Due to its size, it was published in four separate parts. The tribunician report was also sent to the tribunician forum for approval/correction and to Consul Cn. Iulius Caesar for his approval, before publication on the Main List.
 
If you want to publish each separate SC separately, you can cut and paste as needed, since I have inserted break point (a row of equal signs) after each one of them.
 
If by missing pages, you are referring to the senators' floor speeches, please remember that consul Cn. Iulius Caesar graciously granted to the tribunes the discretion to report ALL formal senate's proceeding and to actually participate in the discussions. Traditionally, reporting and participation are not allowed.
 
Vale optime
ALH
 
From: Denise D. <aemilia.regilla@...>
To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pages missing


 
Regilla sal.

Thank you, Dexter!

I don't know if I can edit those pages. Please, could you add the categorization, at least to January Session? They need to be accessible by categories browsing too. For example, Session January 2765 can be included to Senate Sessions category, but can't be included to Senate Reports until they have the details of the session on the table. Session XCVII Dec.16-Dec.22 can be included to Senate Sessions and Senate Reports because has all details.

The Senate Sessions of last year, on the link you published, are missing.
 
--
V.A. Regilla
Tribuna Plebis

________________________________
De: petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 20 de Fevereiro de 2012 6:15
Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pages missing


 
C. Petronius V. A. Regillae omnibusque sal.

> I don't know if this topic was already discussed here, but I realized some things on website.
> We have only 2 Senate Reports on wiki. The latter is from 2008.

You may see also something here:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Sessions_of_the_Senate_(Nova_Roma)

And you may find all the tribunician reports on the main list and some on the comitia plebis tributa list.

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
X Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87178 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Petronio Dextro Aemiliae Regillae quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> C. Petronius Aemiliae Regillae salutem,
>
>> > I don't know if I can edit those pages.
>
> Those pages are under the authorisation of the censors. I do not may edit them
> more than you.
>
> But, in my opinion it may be possible that the tribunes have their wiki pages
> with the tribunician reports that they posted year after year with links to
> the ML or the texts in wiki pages.
>
>> > The Senate Sessions of last year, on the link you published, are missing.
>
> Those pages are under the authority of the censors perhaps they did not have
> time, last year, to write them.
>
> ATS: As you know, Petroni, we had one censor for much of last year, not
> two, and he had to conduct the census as well as manage the citizenship
> applications. Web pages are of much lesser importance. The Senate reports
> can be gleaned from the ML and / or Announcements lists, and I seem to recall
> that there were not many of them last year. The senior consul was / is ill,
> and did not conduct any Senate sessions.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> a. d. X Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
>
> Valete!
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87179 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Regilla sal.

Quirites, I sent that email to ML because when we browse though the Senate Reports and Senate Sessions categories on wiki they don't show pages from 3 years ago. I wanted to know what happened, so I thought: "hey, maybe something happened and earlier magistrates could help us to understand what it was, I'll send this email to the ML". Now we know that most of the pages are there, but they are not under categories. Solved.

Liburnius, I prefer to talk about the wiki reports management on the tribunes list. I'll answer you there, ok?

Now I think that I'll polish my chariot. You know, Ludi Novi Romani are coming... Are you ready to lose? LOL

Russata!!!
 
--
V.A. Regilla
Tribuna Plebis



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De: Bruno Zani <reenbru@...>
Para: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 20 de Fevereiro de 2012 16:32
Assunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pages missing


 
A. Liburnius Hadrianus V. Aemiliae Regillae quiritibusque salutem
 
I sent you the January  2012 voting report in text format.
 
After a preamble, each Senatus Consultum (SC) is treated individually in two parts: text of the SC  and votes casted by each senator. Voting statements, if any were made, are also included and attributed to the appropriate senator.
 
The folder you want to use has not been used since approximately 5 years ago. To publish anything past 2007, i.e. 2760 ab Urbe condita (a.U.c.), previous tribunician reports needs to be extracted from the Main List. Talking about SC's, last year was very quiet. I do not remember many being generated. As you, I became a tribune in December 2011  (2764 a.U.c.), it was the responsibility of the previous year's tribune to publish previous reports.
 
There was no Senate session in December 2011 (2764 a.U.c). There was a session in January 2012 (2765 a.U.c), for which I generated the tribunician report I sent you in its entirety. The report was generated and published in February 2012, after the voting period was ended.  Due to its size, it was published in four separate parts. The tribunician report was also sent to the tribunician forum for approval/correction and to Consul Cn. Iulius Caesar for his approval, before publication on the Main List.
 
If you want to publish each separate SC separately, you can cut and paste as needed, since I have inserted break point (a row of equal signs) after each one of them.
 
If by missing pages, you are referring to the senators' floor speeches, please remember that consul Cn. Iulius Caesar graciously granted to the tribunes the discretion to report ALL formal senate's proceeding and to actually participate in the discussions. Traditionally, reporting and participation are not allowed.
 
Vale optime
ALH
 
From: Denise D. <aemilia.regilla@...>
To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pages missing

 
Regilla sal.

Thank you, Dexter!

I don't know if I can edit those pages. Please, could you add the categorization, at least to January Session? They need to be accessible by categories browsing too. For example, Session January 2765 can be included to Senate Sessions category, but can't be included to Senate Reports until they have the details of the session on the table. Session XCVII Dec.16-Dec.22 can be included to Senate Sessions and Senate Reports because has all details.

The Senate Sessions of last year, on the link you published, are missing.
 
--
V.A. Regilla
Tribuna Plebis

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De: petronius_dexter <jfarnoud94@...>
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 20 de Fevereiro de 2012 6:15
Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pages missing

 
C. Petronius V. A. Regillae omnibusque sal.

> I don't know if this topic was already discussed here, but I realized some things on website.
> We have only 2 Senate Reports on wiki. The latter is from 2008.

You may see also something here:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Sessions_of_the_Senate_(Nova_Roma)

And you may find all the tribunician reports on the main list and some on the comitia plebis tributa list.

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
X Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87180 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
C. Petronius Tulliae Scholasticae salutem,

>>> ATS: As you know, Petroni, we had one censor for much of last year, not two, and he had to conduct the census as well as manage the citizenship applications. Web pages are of much lesser importance.<<<

But they were no much Senate meetings last year. In my case, I did not know these wiki pages, I found them today in searching.

>>> The Senate reports can be gleaned from the ML and / or Announcements lists, and I seem to recall that there were not many of them last year. The senior consul was / is ill, and did not conduct any Senate sessions.<<<

I believe that the censorial cohors can put on those pages the last year Senate reports and the first of this year, now you are two censors. The web pages are more easy to read that to make researchs on the Main List.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. X Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87181 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Pages missing
Caeca Regilla Sal!

I only have 1 thing to say ...Semper Albata! Albata Victoria! (see how lovely that sounds? Albata Victoria! Those words just go together!

BTW since I won't be racing this year, Hermanus and his lovely wife have signed a contract with NR Live, so you will see them during the games ...just not in their chariots.

Vale et valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87182 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 1
Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.

Just a comment or two~
I apologize for being so late but I have been swamped in the macro world, but I have notes from my mobile;)

> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON AUTHORIZED SIGNERS
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE POSITION OF CFO
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON FINANCIAL DISBURSEMENT

Glad to hear this, now maybe we can work towards a sound financial process, sound enough to create a working Macellum. Once I feel more secure and confident in the system then I shall see about offering Roman items for sale to our citizens.

> REMISSION OF TAX LUCIUS CINCINNATUS
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON REMISSION OF THE TAX IN THE FAVOUR OF
> LUCIUS EQUITIUS CINCINNATUS AUGUR

Last I heard no one has even been in touch with Cincinnatus. Has this changed? Does he even want to return to Nova Roma? Written as it is it appears an emotive missive.
Can you clarify the tax issue? Was someone paying his taxes, was he? So the tax is restitution for a wrong he refused to defend himself against? I am not being argumentative here as I believe he was wrongfully accused but he did not defend himself and from what I have read, he had a good defense. I am not crazy about this SCU esp. with the tax restitution. Cincinnatus should have been offered the chance to go through our legal process, at least make a statement before reinstatement with an explanation as to why he did not defend himself. Just my opinion.


Julia
Nasburgi Scribebat
prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "reenbru" <reenbru@...> wrote:
>
> Aulus Liburnius Hadrianus Tribunus Plebis Quiritibus SPD
> Senate Voting Results published on 2/6/2012
>
> Formal debate ended on 27-JAN-2012 at 07:19 PM Roman time. Voting began immediately afterward and ended on 31-JAN-2012 at 05:23 PM Roman time. Results were officially published by the presiding magistrate Consul Cn. Iulius Caesar on the Senate list on (31-JAN-2012).
>
> The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been tallied as follows:
>
> The following 17 senators or voting members of the Senate cast votes in time. They are referred to below by their initials and are listed in alphabetical order by nomen:
>
> M. Cassius Julianus (MCJ)
> Sta. Cornelia Aeternia (SCA)
> M. Cornelius Gualterus Graecus (MCGG)
> L. Cornelius Sulla (LCS)
> C. Equitius Cato (CEC)
> Q. Fabius Maximus (QFM)
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus (TGP)
> Cn. Iulius Caesar (CnIC)
> T. Iulius Sabinus (TIS)
> D. Iunius Palladius Invictus (DIPI)
> M. Minucius Audens (MMA)
> C. Petronius Dexter (CPD)
> G. Popillius Laenas (GPL)
> Q. Suetonius Paulinus (QSP)
> A. Tullia Scholastica (ATS)
> G. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus (GTVG)
> G. Vipsianus Agrippa GVA)
>
> The following 1 senator or voting member of the Senate did not cast a vote or did not cast a vote on time and absence was not announced or justified in line with the Senatus Consultum on Defining a Quorum and the LEX OCTAVIA DE SENATORIBUS:
> ***P. Ullerius Stephanus Venator (PUSV)***
>
> The following 1 senator or voting member of the Senate was not allowed to cast a vote because the process of his conscription into the Senate is not complete:
> ***L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur (LECA)***
>
> Therefore, the necessary majority for a Senatus Consultum was 9 votes in favor.
> "UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote against, and "ABSTINEO" is an open abstention.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The items for consideration were as follows:
> Agenda
>
> A) Item 1.a: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) ITEM 1.a: AUTHORIZED SIGNERS (Item 1.a SC Authorized Signers.pdf)
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON AUTHORIZED SIGNERS
> 1. The Senate authorizes the removal of all authorized signers on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. on any and all
> bank accounts held at the Bank of America in the name of Nova Roma Inc., with the exception of any
> person listed at 4 who may be a current signatory.
> 2. The Senate authorizes the addition of the persons listed below at 4 as authorized signers on behalf of
> Nova Roma Inc. on any and all bank accounts, or if such a person at 4 is already an authorized signer
> confirms their retention as such.
> 3. All persons at 4 will be authorized users of any PayPal account held in the name of Nova Roma Inc.
> 4. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Aula Tullia Scholastica and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix and the Chief
> Financial Officer (CFO) of Nova Roma Inc. if the CFO is not included in the preceding list of names.
> 5. The Senate instructs the CFO, or if that position is unfilled then Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix and/or
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus to ensure that all bank accounts are set so as to require signatures of the two
> authorized signers at on any cheque or withdrawal or transfer or other use of funds.
> 6. All authorized signers must provide their legal macronational names to the CFO, or if that position is
> unfilled then Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, and by accepting the position of authorized signer must post to
> the Senate list their acceptance of the position and their consent for their legal macronational names to
> be supplied to the relevant financial institutions, and that they further understand that use of the legal
> macronational names will be required in connection with their duties as an authorized signer.
>
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS
> *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - I trust that the inclusion of the two gentlemen listed alone in item 5 has something to do with their existing authorizations.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to note that I share Senator Paulinus' concern that some things would have been better voted upon as individual items, but I recognize the tremendous job my colleague did in preparing this agenda, and the concern is a minor one.
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A) Item 1.b: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) ITEM 1.b: CFO (Item 1.b SC CFO.pdf)
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE POSITION OF CFO
> 1. By this Senatus consultum, the Senate hereby defines the position of Chief Financial Officer (herein
> designated as " CFO"). An individual shall be appointed to the position of CFO by Senatus consultum,
> passing by simple majority, for a term of thirty-six months.
> 2. An individual appointed to, and accepting of, the position of CFO, shall be given access to all financial data
> and accounts, including but not limited to the deposit, credit, and brokerage accounts of the corporation and
> its associated entities, and all access methods thereto, as well as the surface mail directed to Nova Roma,
> Inc.
> 3. The CFO shall report directly to the co-presidents of Nova Roma, or in their absence, the co-vice presidents,
> and through them, to the Board of Directors.
> 4. The CFO shall have the ability to appoint and dismiss assistants as it sees fit, not to exceed four individuals,
> who shall be treated as under direct appointment by the Board of Directors. For their service, these
> individuals shall receive an amount of century points equal to those of regularly appointed scribae.
> 5. An incoming CFO shall be appointed to a term so as to overlap that of an outgoing CFO by three months,
> during which time the incoming CFO shall co-operate with the outgoing CFO to ensure smooth transition of
> necessary access to records and operations as outlined elsewhere in this and relevant consulta. An
> incoming CFO, during this three-month period, shall also assess the financial status and performance of the
> corporation and report the same to the Board of Directors, and complete and analysis of the financial results
> of the corporation and develop recommendations for future measures.
> 6. In the event of a vacancy in the position of CFO, the consuls shall have the authority to appoint, from the
> appointed assistants to the previous CFO, a CFO "pro tempore", for a term to last no longer than six months
> from the date of appointment. By the end of that time, the Board of Directors must appoint a new CFO, to
> serve the remainder of the previous incomplete term, or if less than six months remain of that term, to start a
> new term.
> 7. The CFO shall have overall responsibility for the financial data of Nova Roma and its associated entities, and
> shall oversee all financial operations of the organization, including, but not limited to: those undertaken by
> those individuals elected by the comitia, those undertaken by the provinciae and their subsidiaries, those
> undertaken by the sodalitates, and those undertaken by the sacerdotes publici as appointed by the Senate,
> Collegium Pontificum, or other body so empowered.
> 8. The CFO shall be responsible for the development and recommendation of financial protocols to ensure
> proper compliance with laws and regulations, both inside and outside Nova Roma, shall be responsible for the
> monitoring of internal financial controls and procedures, and shall produce financial reports to be provided to
> the Board of Directors at such frequency as required by Nova Roman law.
> 9. The CFO shall maintain financial oversight of all accounting practices, budget and cash management,
> oversight of debt financing, and shall undertake those administrative tasks related to maintaining the financial
> welfare of the corporation.
> 10. The CFO shall also oversee budgetary planning, make recommendations for budgetary measures, represent
> the organization to the financial community, work with the officers and other elected and appointed individuals
> to ensure operational success and compliance, minimize potential risks to the organization, and oversee
> business insurance plans.
> 11. The CFO shall have sole responsibility for the maintenance of the official post box for Nova Roma Inc. and
> shall locate it where is most convenient to do so. The Senate approves the annual, or otherwise as required
> periodic, expenditure of such funds as are necessary to keep and maintain this post box. This post box shall
> be the only one specified on the Nova Roma website / wiki as a direct mailing point of contact for Nova Roma.
> 12. The Senate of Nova hereby appoints Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix as CFO of Nova Roma, Inc.
>
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I worked with L. Cornelius and know he paid attention with seriousness to the job.
> *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS - I absolutely trust in L. Cornelius Felix for this office.
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - Uti rogas, with considerable reservations about the behavior of the party listed in item 12 and its impact on NR.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A) Item 1.c: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) ITEM 1.c: DISBURSEMENTS (Item 1.c SC Disbursements.pdf)
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON FINANCIAL DISBURSEMENTS
> 1. The purpose of this Senatus consultum is to streamline the disbursement of funds to pay for bills (both
> foreseen and unforeseen) and to keep the Board of Directors aware of the disbursement of funds.
> 2. For expenditures that have a fee of $50.00 or less the CFO has the discretionary authority to pay those
> expenditures as necessary. Notification to the Senate shall be required within 72 days after payment.
> 3. Any previously authorized expenditure where the amount is less than $50.00 greater than the budgeted
> amount the CFO has the discretionary authority to pay the bill. Notification to the Senate shall be required
> within 72 hours after payment.
> 4. Any previously authorized expenditure where the actual amount is more than $50.00 over the previously
> authorized amount – but less than $200.00 than the budgeted amount both consuls together will have the
> discretionary authority to authorize the CFO to pay the bill.
> 5. Any previously authorized expenditure where the amount is greater than $200.00 of the previously budgeted
> amount requires Senate approval to direct the CFO to issue payment.
> 6. Any item that is not listed as a previous expenditure, but exceeds $50.00 will come out of the consular
> discretionary funds – to a max of $500.00 per Consul (per year). The Senate may choose to reimburse the
> consular discretionary fund, if it so chooses.
> 7. Any item that is not listed as a previous expenditure, but exceeds the $500.00 cap of the consular
> discretionary fund must be approved by the Senate of Nova Roma within a Net 30 timeframe – beginning
> from the date of notification by the CFO to the Consuls or Senate, whichever is sooner. If a session of the
> Senate to authorize or refuse payment of this issue is not scheduled to conclude within 20 days after
> notification is given the financial oversight committee will have authority to authorize payment from the
> general fund.
>
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS
> *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A) Item 1.d: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> B) ITEM 1.d: REMISSION OF TAX LUCIUS CINCINNATUS (Item 1.d SC Remission of Tax.pdf)
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON REMISSION OF THE TAX IN THE FAVOUR OF
> LUCIUS EQUITIUS CINCINNATUS AUGUR
> I. The Senate recognizing the manifest injustice done to him during the course of a process styled a
> "trial" in 2761 A.U.C. hereby authorizes the censors to record in the Album civium that Lucius Equitius
> Cincinnatus Augur is to be credited with three full years of tax remission.
> II. The period of remission is equal to the three years, 2762 A.U.C. to 2764 A.U.C. inclusive, that Lucius
> Equitius Cincinnatus Augur remained subject to this injustice.
> III. The Senate further authorizes the censors to additionally register Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
> as being of assidui status for the remainder of the current tax year (2764 A.U.C. to 2765 A.U.C), in
> recognition of the period of nine months in 2761 A.U.C. that he was subject to this injustice.
> IV. The monetary rate at which this credit shall be valued shall be equal to whatever the monetary
> amount of tax that would have been due and payable by Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur during
> any tax period when such credit is redeemed by him in lieu of paying tax.
> V. Any such redeemed credit at section IV shall be in full and final settlement of any amount due, for the
> tax year in which it was redeemed, in order to qualify for assidui status.
>
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS - This "tax" should never have been put in place and must be removed in order for there to be any kind of fair resolution to this past situation.
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS - I agree this is the right thing to do and welcome back Cincinnatus.
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - Hopefully this puts an end to a sad chapter of Nova Roma's history and rights the wrong to L Equitius at the hands of Nova Roman magistrates.
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS - Good thing we can have the opportunity tp correct this erorr L Equitius from previousof Nova Roman magistrates.
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I join to all who want to end this chapter from the NR past.
> *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTIQUO - The Senate is not the re-writer of the past. Let's the historians do that job. L. Equitius Cincinnatus did not want to defend himself against a trial. It was his right. It is not the job of the Senate to endorse those who judge something unfair, without any public trial, by their own.
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS Uti rogas, though the language in the first section is rather inflammatory and hardly appropriate for a legal document. I welcome Cincinnatus back to us, and hope that he will resume his more active role in Nova Roma, including his flaminate.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87183 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.

Just a comment or two~
I apologize for being so late but I have been swamped in the macro world, but I have notes from my mobile;)

> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012

Sounds reasonable so farÂ…

> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE

There is an awful lot of work to be done, foremost is making our website secure. As long as we don't shoot our usual and become obsessive with, and possessive of, our work and keep things simple we can make our site secure. We can always add bells and whistles later.
I see a report to go to the Consul every four months, but what is the goal date? When can we expect this, or a part of it, to be done. It needs target dates, short term and long term. Even if we are volunteers.

> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C

Eh! Unfortunately we must put the cart before the horse, but this is missing a plan for even a projected income. Provisional it may be and it might meet a need in what is clearly a dire situation butÂ… well I'll comment another time regarding possible projected income.

Very busy productive session but the SCUs make that possible – this year we will reach a phenomenal record of SCUs. Will we remember the process of Roman Law and Democracy next year? :)


Julia
Nasburgi Scribebat
prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "reenbru" <reenbru@...> wrote:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A) Item 2: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) ITEM 2: PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012 (Item 2 SC Payments Jan 2012.pdf)
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
> I. The Senate approves the below specified payments to the following corporations:
> 1. $720.00 USD to Fredrik Consulting AB for Nova Roma web hosting 2011-09-01 to 2012-08-31
> 2. $245.00 USD to Ainsworth, Thelin & Raftice, P.A for services as Registered Agent
> II. The Senate approves reimbursement payments of all amounts expended by the consular Publius
> Ullerius Stephanus Venator during his consulship on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. This approval is
> conditional on:
> 1. The presentation of invoices and/or receipts, in respect of such payments made by the consular
> Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator, to the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) of Nova Roma, or if that
> position is unfilled then to the Consuls.
> 2. The invoices and/or receipts at II.1 being to the satisfaction of the CFO, or if that position is
> unfilled then to the satisfaction of the Consuls, a payment of a debt owed by Nova Roma Inc.
> 3. Any original invoices and/or receipts submitted for payment at II.1 must be mailed to the CFO or if
> that position is unfilled then to the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar. Such original invoices and/or
> receipts must be retained and scanned copies of each subsequently uploaded to the files section
> of the Senate list.
> III. The Senate approves expenditure of no more than $50 USD for any required mandatory filing in
> relation to the non-profit status of Nova Roma Inc. A confirmation post with a link to the relevant
> Maine State government website showing the exact amount of the filing fee shall be posted to the
> Senate list before such payment shall be made. Confirmation is also required that the requisite forms
> have been submitted. The person filing them shall post this to the Senate list. In the absence of such
> a link, then any other method of documentation/confirmation of the exact amount of the filing fee shall
> be posted to the Senate list before such payment shall be made.
> IV. The method of payment for the payments at I to III inclusive shall be from either:
> 1. Any appropriate account in the name of Nova Roma Inc. at the Bank of America, paid by cheque
> by signed by two authorized signatories on such account.
> 2. If the appropriate account at IV.1 is unavailable or inaccessible for any reason then from the Pay
> Pal account of Nova Roma Inc.
> 3. In the event that IV.b is the chosen method of payment, then the Senate authorizes Lucius
> Cornelius Sulla Felix to execute such a transaction.
> V. If any recipient of such payments at I to III inclusive does not have a corresponding Pay Pal account
> to receive such a payment then the Senate authorizes Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix to pay the amount
> required from his own funds on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. and to reimburse himself in full settlement
> of only that exact amount expended.
> VI. All other invoices and/or receipts apart from those at II.1 in respect of these payments must be dealt
> with by the same process at II.3
>
>
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I hope for new host as time the current one is expensive and not professional.
> *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - though I would be more comfortable with the title of the office being used rather than the name of the person.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A) Item 3: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) ITEM 3: IT TASK FORCE (Item 3 SC IT Task Force_rev_1_new.pdf)
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN
> INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
> I. The Senate authorizes the creation of an Information Technology Task Force (ITTF).
> II. The mandate of the ITTF, which it is authorized to execute to completion, shall be:
> 1. The recovery of full control over the user identity log in codes and passwords for all aspects of the
> Nova Roman website, web page and Wiki, including, but not limited to, the Censorial database
> tools and cista.
> 2. The recovery of full control over the Nova Roman Internet domain name novaroma.org and to
> take steps after such recovery to insure that the domain name, as well as any associated service
> marks, are registered under the legal name of the corporation and not to any individual member
> or official of Nova Roma.
> 3. The relocation of the Nova Roman domain to a USA based server and web host. Such a
> relocation must seek the most competitive dollar rate possible for the maximum amount of upload
> and download bandwidth, whilst providing the necessary level of technical and software support
> services.
> 4. Any necessary repairs and updates to the Nova Roman Wiki.
> 5. Any other information technology based issue that is identified within the existing software of the
> web page, Wiki and censorial database and cista, together with an evaluation of the CMS or other
> non-wiki web platforms.
> 6. The backup to a storage medium of all messages on the Nova Roman forum (aka "The Main
> List), all Senate lists and the censorial database.
> 7. A full and comprehensive investigation of the state of the current Nova Roman cista (as distinct
> from the votingplace.net cista) and censorial database and tools to establish whether all or any of
> this software needs to be:
> a. Repaired or altered to conform with any actual or likely security requirements of a USA based
> server and web host, and whether any such repair or alteration is likely to be an acceptable
> risk and/or cost based on:
> i. The degree of complexity involved to the integrity of the applications and data and the
> assessed danger from any such repair or alteration.
> ii. The length of time necessary to undertake such repairs or alterations.
> iii. The cost of such repairs or alterations set against the likely remaining effective lifespan of
> the applications and the likelihood and frequency of predicted or identified future repairs
> and alterations.
> b. Replaced due to the analysis of risk and/or cost at II.7.a
> 8. A full and comprehensive investigation of alternative applications in respect of any application
> identified by the process at II.7.b and to estimate the dollar cost of such alternatives and to:
> a. Report to the Senate the estimate if it is not revenue neutral expenditure and seek authority
> for the purchase and deployment of such alternative applications.
> b. Initiate the immediate design and testing of such applications only if it is revenue neutral
> expenditure. Upon successful conclusion of such design and testing the ITTF will take the
> necessary steps for the immediate deployment and use of such alternative applications.
> III. The ITTF shall be a committee of the Senate chaired by the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, who is
> authorized to appoint such persons of his choosing to the committee. Such persons need not be
> members of the Senate and should have a required degree of technical skills and ability, with a
> relevant background.
> IV. The ITTF shall deliver, through the chair Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, a report to the Senate list every four
> months commencing from the date of enactment of this Senatus consultum, until such time as its
> mandate is completed.
> V. Upon completion of its mandate the ITTF shall be dissolved.
>
>
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - If I may be permitted: We need a functional website that can be made secure. We don't need Latin sound effects the score of Gladiator or even Ben Hur as some people have said over the years. The attraction of Nova Roma is Nova Roma itself. We do not need bells and whistles on our website. Recall what a famous Roman Censor once spoke. Look to Greece for frivolity and in decision, look to Rome for sober consideration and people who fellow the Law."
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A) Item 4: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> B) ITEM 4: BUDGET 2765 (Item 4 SC Budget 2012_rev_1_new.pdf)
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
> The purpose of this Senatus consultum is to establish the Nova Roman budget for 2765 A.U.C. This is a
> provisional budget until full control of the bank accounts is established. The operating fund, until the accounts are
> recovered will be the Nova Roman PayPal account. The Senate authorizes all forecast estimated expenses up to
> the amounts indicated below.
>
> KNOWN EXPENSES $ NOTES
>
> Registered Agent Fee (Arrears) 245.00
> Web hosting (Part arrears & paid forward 2012) 720.00
> TOTAL 965.00
> FORECAST ESTIMATED EXPENSES
>
> Postage and Mailing Fees 60.00
> Directors and officers insurance 500.00
> Discretionary Fund 200.00
> General & Administrative
> Bank Charges 50.00
> Mailbox Rental 80.00
> QuickBooks Online 480.00
> Web Domain Registration - Paid for 2 years in 2010
> Web Hosting (01-Sep-12 to 31-Aug-12) 720.00 Will be less after relocation to USA
> TOTAL General & Administrative 1330.00
> Legal & Professional
> Filing Fees 50.00
> Records Fees 10.00
> Registered Agent (Annual fee) 200.00
> Registered Agent (Consultation fee) 150.00
> TOTAL Legal & Professional 410.00
> PayPal Fees 150.00
> Reimbursements 300.00 Estimated expended by consul 2011
> TOTAL EXPENSES 3915.00
> INCOME
> Tax 2200.00 Assuming no loss/gain on 2011 amount
> TOTAL INCOME 2200.00 Excludes interest, donations etc.
> OPERATING FUND PayPal account
> Payments account 2995.54
> Funding account 3236.63
> TOTAL OPERATING FUND - CURRENT 6232.17
> NET INCOME (1715.00)
> TOTAL OPERATING FUND – PROJECTED 4517.17
>
>
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTIQUO. - This budget is in deficit, even if fortunately some funds permit to prevent the entire bankruptcy of Nova Roma. The result is that this SC estimates a loss (net income) of $1715,00. This projection of less money this year in comparison with the last year is not ambitious.
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87184 From: Robert Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Ave!

Ummm are you confused? There is a difference between sc's and scu's.

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:29 PM, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

> Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> Just a comment or two~
> I apologize for being so late but I have been swamped in the macro world, but I have notes from my mobile;)
>
> > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
>
> Sounds reasonable so far…
>
> > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
>
> There is an awful lot of work to be done, foremost is making our website secure. As long as we don't shoot our usual and become obsessive with, and possessive of, our work and keep things simple we can make our site secure. We can always add bells and whistles later.
> I see a report to go to the Consul every four months, but what is the goal date? When can we expect this, or a part of it, to be done. It needs target dates, short term and long term. Even if we are volunteers.
>
> > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
>
> Eh! Unfortunately we must put the cart before the horse, but this is missing a plan for even a projected income. Provisional it may be and it might meet a need in what is clearly a dire situation but… well I'll comment another time regarding possible projected income.
>
> Very busy productive session but the SCUs make that possible – this year we will reach a phenomenal record of SCUs. Will we remember the process of Roman Law and Democracy next year? :)
>
> Julia
> Nasburgi Scribebat
> prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "reenbru" <reenbru@...> wrote:
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > A) Item 2: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> > B) ITEM 2: PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012 (Item 2 SC Payments Jan 2012.pdf)
> > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
> > I. The Senate approves the below specified payments to the following corporations:
> > 1. $720.00 USD to Fredrik Consulting AB for Nova Roma web hosting 2011-09-01 to 2012-08-31
> > 2. $245.00 USD to Ainsworth, Thelin & Raftice, P.A for services as Registered Agent
> > II. The Senate approves reimbursement payments of all amounts expended by the consular Publius
> > Ullerius Stephanus Venator during his consulship on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. This approval is
> > conditional on:
> > 1. The presentation of invoices and/or receipts, in respect of such payments made by the consular
> > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator, to the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) of Nova Roma, or if that
> > position is unfilled then to the Consuls.
> > 2. The invoices and/or receipts at II.1 being to the satisfaction of the CFO, or if that position is
> > unfilled then to the satisfaction of the Consuls, a payment of a debt owed by Nova Roma Inc.
> > 3. Any original invoices and/or receipts submitted for payment at II.1 must be mailed to the CFO or if
> > that position is unfilled then to the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar. Such original invoices and/or
> > receipts must be retained and scanned copies of each subsequently uploaded to the files section
> > of the Senate list.
> > III. The Senate approves expenditure of no more than $50 USD for any required mandatory filing in
> > relation to the non-profit status of Nova Roma Inc. A confirmation post with a link to the relevant
> > Maine State government website showing the exact amount of the filing fee shall be posted to the
> > Senate list before such payment shall be made. Confirmation is also required that the requisite forms
> > have been submitted. The person filing them shall post this to the Senate list. In the absence of such
> > a link, then any other method of documentation/confirmation of the exact amount of the filing fee shall
> > be posted to the Senate list before such payment shall be made.
> > IV. The method of payment for the payments at I to III inclusive shall be from either:
> > 1. Any appropriate account in the name of Nova Roma Inc. at the Bank of America, paid by cheque
> > by signed by two authorized signatories on such account.
> > 2. If the appropriate account at IV.1 is unavailable or inaccessible for any reason then from the Pay
> > Pal account of Nova Roma Inc.
> > 3. In the event that IV.b is the chosen method of payment, then the Senate authorizes Lucius
> > Cornelius Sulla Felix to execute such a transaction.
> > V. If any recipient of such payments at I to III inclusive does not have a corresponding Pay Pal account
> > to receive such a payment then the Senate authorizes Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix to pay the amount
> > required from his own funds on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. and to reimburse himself in full settlement
> > of only that exact amount expended.
> > VI. All other invoices and/or receipts apart from those at II.1 in respect of these payments must be dealt
> > with by the same process at II.3
> >
> >
> > C) Votes
> > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I hope for new host as time the current one is expensive and not professional.
> > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - though I would be more comfortable with the title of the office being used rather than the name of the person.
> > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > A) Item 3: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> > B) ITEM 3: IT TASK FORCE (Item 3 SC IT Task Force_rev_1_new.pdf)
> > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN
> > INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
> > I. The Senate authorizes the creation of an Information Technology Task Force (ITTF).
> > II. The mandate of the ITTF, which it is authorized to execute to completion, shall be:
> > 1. The recovery of full control over the user identity log in codes and passwords for all aspects of the
> > Nova Roman website, web page and Wiki, including, but not limited to, the Censorial database
> > tools and cista.
> > 2. The recovery of full control over the Nova Roman Internet domain name novaroma.org and to
> > take steps after such recovery to insure that the domain name, as well as any associated service
> > marks, are registered under the legal name of the corporation and not to any individual member
> > or official of Nova Roma.
> > 3. The relocation of the Nova Roman domain to a USA based server and web host. Such a
> > relocation must seek the most competitive dollar rate possible for the maximum amount of upload
> > and download bandwidth, whilst providing the necessary level of technical and software support
> > services.
> > 4. Any necessary repairs and updates to the Nova Roman Wiki.
> > 5. Any other information technology based issue that is identified within the existing software of the
> > web page, Wiki and censorial database and cista, together with an evaluation of the CMS or other
> > non-wiki web platforms.
> > 6. The backup to a storage medium of all messages on the Nova Roman forum (aka "The Main
> > List), all Senate lists and the censorial database.
> > 7. A full and comprehensive investigation of the state of the current Nova Roman cista (as distinct
> > from the votingplace.net cista) and censorial database and tools to establish whether all or any of
> > this software needs to be:
> > a. Repaired or altered to conform with any actual or likely security requirements of a USA based
> > server and web host, and whether any such repair or alteration is likely to be an acceptable
> > risk and/or cost based on:
> > i. The degree of complexity involved to the integrity of the applications and data and the
> > assessed danger from any such repair or alteration.
> > ii. The length of time necessary to undertake such repairs or alterations.
> > iii. The cost of such repairs or alterations set against the likely remaining effective lifespan of
> > the applications and the likelihood and frequency of predicted or identified future repairs
> > and alterations.
> > b. Replaced due to the analysis of risk and/or cost at II.7.a
> > 8. A full and comprehensive investigation of alternative applications in respect of any application
> > identified by the process at II.7.b and to estimate the dollar cost of such alternatives and to:
> > a. Report to the Senate the estimate if it is not revenue neutral expenditure and seek authority
> > for the purchase and deployment of such alternative applications.
> > b. Initiate the immediate design and testing of such applications only if it is revenue neutral
> > expenditure. Upon successful conclusion of such design and testing the ITTF will take the
> > necessary steps for the immediate deployment and use of such alternative applications.
> > III. The ITTF shall be a committee of the Senate chaired by the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, who is
> > authorized to appoint such persons of his choosing to the committee. Such persons need not be
> > members of the Senate and should have a required degree of technical skills and ability, with a
> > relevant background.
> > IV. The ITTF shall deliver, through the chair Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, a report to the Senate list every four
> > months commencing from the date of enactment of this Senatus consultum, until such time as its
> > mandate is completed.
> > V. Upon completion of its mandate the ITTF shall be dissolved.
> >
> >
> > C) Votes
> > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - If I may be permitted: We need a functional website that can be made secure. We don't need Latin sound effects the score of Gladiator or even Ben Hur as some people have said over the years. The attraction of Nova Roma is Nova Roma itself. We do not need bells and whistles on our website. Recall what a famous Roman Censor once spoke. Look to Greece for frivolity and in decision, look to Rome for sober consideration and people who fellow the Law."
> > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > A) Item 4: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> > B) ITEM 4: BUDGET 2765 (Item 4 SC Budget 2012_rev_1_new.pdf)
> > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
> > The purpose of this Senatus consultum is to establish the Nova Roman budget for 2765 A.U.C. This is a
> > provisional budget until full control of the bank accounts is established. The operating fund, until the accounts are
> > recovered will be the Nova Roman PayPal account. The Senate authorizes all forecast estimated expenses up to
> > the amounts indicated below.
> >
> > KNOWN EXPENSES $ NOTES
> >
> > Registered Agent Fee (Arrears) 245.00
> > Web hosting (Part arrears & paid forward 2012) 720.00
> > TOTAL 965.00
> > FORECAST ESTIMATED EXPENSES
> >
> > Postage and Mailing Fees 60.00
> > Directors and officers insurance 500.00
> > Discretionary Fund 200.00
> > General & Administrative
> > Bank Charges 50.00
> > Mailbox Rental 80.00
> > QuickBooks Online 480.00
> > Web Domain Registration - Paid for 2 years in 2010
> > Web Hosting (01-Sep-12 to 31-Aug-12) 720.00 Will be less after relocation to USA
> > TOTAL General & Administrative 1330.00
> > Legal & Professional
> > Filing Fees 50.00
> > Records Fees 10.00
> > Registered Agent (Annual fee) 200.00
> > Registered Agent (Consultation fee) 150.00
> > TOTAL Legal & Professional 410.00
> > PayPal Fees 150.00
> > Reimbursements 300.00 Estimated expended by consul 2011
> > TOTAL EXPENSES 3915.00
> > INCOME
> > Tax 2200.00 Assuming no loss/gain on 2011 amount
> > TOTAL INCOME 2200.00 Excludes interest, donations etc.
> > OPERATING FUND PayPal account
> > Payments account 2995.54
> > Funding account 3236.63
> > TOTAL OPERATING FUND - CURRENT 6232.17
> > NET INCOME (1715.00)
> > TOTAL OPERATING FUND – PROJECTED 4517.17
> >
> >
> > C) Votes
> > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > *CPD* - ANTIQUO. - This budget is in deficit, even if fortunately some funds permit to prevent the entire bankruptcy of Nova Roma. The result is that this SC estimates a loss (net income) of $1715,00. This projection of less money this year in comparison with the last year is not ambitious.
> > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87185 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 3 of
Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.

Just a comment or two~
Again, I apologize for being so late but I have been swamped in the macro world, but I have notes from my mobile;)

>SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE APPOINTMENT OF CURULE AEDILE
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE APPOINTMENT OF CUSTODES

We had eleven months left in the positions filled by appointees. I have no doubt those standing would have won in election, the individuals are not in question.
However this action silenced the voice of the citizens in this matter - of the choice of who will represent them in the next 11 months.


This is my opinion. I respect others for theirs as well however I do not agree with the reasoning. Putting on the Ludi is not enough of a reason, a call for help would have brought out a handful of citizens I can think of who would have done so for the love of NR, without being appointed a magistracy. And we could have still had an election.

That, amici, is a value added incentive – better than a pen, pin or certificate. The ability to affect and be a part of change. Remember that term, value added incentive, it will serve the Respublica in the long run.

I only ask that we watch carefully in the future our decisions because they contribute to the evolution of a culture and it is very hard to turn back evolution.
There must be a concerted effort so Nova Roma will not acculturate into the same experience of our macro lives (modern Romans) and we will continue the hard work of the Respublica since its inception.


>SENATUS CONSULTUM DE RATIONE SENATUS MMDCCLXV

Where to begin?

"Senate Seal". Has almost an enigmatic mystical appeal bespeaking a secret hold of the inner sanctum. Being a concept of moral conscience, therefore it is intangible without consequences should this Seal be breached i am not quite sure why it is included in a lex at all.
Maybe in a senate mission statement of sorts. Or in the Senate Handbook.
Or create punitive consequences rendering the concept tangible enough to warrant inclusion in a lex. I would not want this.

The Senate Seal is part of the Mos Maiorum.
As written and in it's present state it should not be included in a lex. Just my opinion.

We are being very lenient with our adherence to the Roman Way this year in an effort to pull ourselves out of the mire but we should not be too lenient or too fast with the quick fix. Some issues can wait, prioritization should be implemented asap.

I agree with those Senators who would have liked to have considered and voted on separate issues.



Julia
Nasburgi Scribebat
prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "reenbru" <reenbru@...> wrote:
>
>
> A) Item 6.b: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> B) ITEM 6.b: CURULE AEDILE (Item 6.b SC Curule Aedile.pdf)
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE APPOINTMENT OF CURULE AEDILE
> I. In recognition of the forthcoming ludi that need to be celebrated, and due to only two candidates having
> stood for those magistracies for the year 2764 A.U.C and there being, as a result, no unsuccessful
> candidates to draw from, and due to the constitutional provision for dealing with a mid-term vacancy not
> applying, and due to the absence of candidates offering themselves for election as Curule aedile for this
> year, and as there is no legal impediment or prohibition to prevent this, the Senate appoints Gaia Maria
> Caeca as Curule aedile to serve out the remainder of this year, 2765 A.U.C., in that position.
> II. Gaia Maria Caeca shall have all the honors, powers, and obligations of Curule aedile as at IV.A.4 of the
> Constitution of Nova Roma, as though she had been elected to this position.
> III. Gaia Maria Caeca shall be required to take the oath of office as required by the lex Iunia de iusiurando
> IV. In accordance with III.A.1 of the Constitution of Nova Roma Gaia Maria Caeca will require the comitia
> curiata to witness her appointment before she can exercise the rights and powers of imperium.
>
>
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS - My congrats to C. Maria Caeca, appointment well deserved.
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS. - I see this item as a basic solution and a compromise to have games this year and through them, religious festivities. In normal circumstances, the right to decide was of comitia. When it comes about the appointed person, I know C. Maria deserve the trust and will perform with honor her duties.
> *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTIQUO - We have to appoint a couple of Aediles curules. I recall that the magistracies are collegial, at least with 2 members or elected or appointed.
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - et libentissime. Caeca will make a fine curule aedile
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A) Item 6.c: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE APPOINTMENT OF CUSTODES AND ASSISTANTS
> I. In recognition of the absence of candidates offering themselves for election for custos for this year, and
> as the provision at section V of the Lex Equitia de vigintisexviris appears concerned with filling a mid-term
> vacancy, the Senate appoints as custos, each to serve out the remainder of this year 2765 A.U.C.
> 1. Titus Iulius Sabinus
> 2. Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus
> II. Titus Iulius Sabinus and Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus shall have all the honors, powers,
> and obligations of custos as II.D of the Lex Equitia de vigintisexviris, as though they had been elected to
> this position.
> III. Titus Iulius Sabinus and Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus shall be required to take the oath
> of office as required by the lex Iunia de iusiurando.
> IV. The Senate appoints Aulus Liburnius Hadrianus and Vibius Valerius Volusus to act as assistants to Titus
> Iulius Sabinus and Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus and to act as their deputy should one or
> both be unavailable at anytime during the course of any voting that requires use of the cista. No oath shall
> be required of them.
> V. Should either of the assistants also be presiding magistrate of a comitia when a vote is being held, that
> assistant shall recuse themselves from the role of assistant and his position on the Nova Roman cista
> account at votingplace.net shall be filled by the other assistant.
> VI. Other than in the circumstances at section V, the custodes shall decide which of the assistants is
> assigned to the cista account.
>
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - It is a necessary compromise to have a working voting platform for this year.
> *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A) Item 8: [passed - 12 in favor, 5 opposing]
> B)ITEM 8: SENATE RULES (Item 8 SC Senate Rules_rev_3_new.pdf)
> SENATUS CONSULTUM DE RATIONE SENATUS MMDCCLXV
> As Yahoo does not allow messages exceeding 64Kb of content, I would respectfully ask all citizens to refer to the wiki version at: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Senatus_consultum_de_ratione_senatus_(Nova_Roma)
>
>
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - ANTIQUO - The definition of "Senator" includes those who are not actual senators yet are in the Senate with voting privileges due to ex-magistracy or other terms of the lex Popillia. Our own law recognizes that these voting privileges do not make them senators.
> *QFM* - ANTIQUO - I realize I'm the sole dissenting voice here, but the Vedian constitution does not define a Senator as someone with voting privileges in the Senate. The fact that a Lex was passed that does is not true to spirit of Nova Roma or the founders' wishes. The argument that this law served to keep Censors from remaking the Senate is specious. Not only did it fail, but now it is no longer needed and some better needs to replace such a confusing law.
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS - I wish we had been able to vote on some of this as individual items. As I have expressed to the Consul I am of the opinion that the Censors or at least most Censors can be trusted to moderate the Senate list. I have also expressed to him that while the Plebian vs Patrician ranking was real in Rome it is not in Nova Roma. Given the chance to vote individually I would have voted no on these few items.
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - ANTIQUO - In my opinion many rules it means many interpretations and indirectly many complications.
> *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTIQUO - For the same reasons as the honorable senator C. Equitius Cato did and because the 2/3rd of the senate in the Constitution have changed with the Lex Popilia Senatoria without the process expected for any change of the Constitution. And this rules give a carte-blanche to an interpretation of the Lex Popillia senatoria in contradiction with the Constitution. I recall the 3 pilars of our res publica: Auctoritas (The Senate meeting and ordering by consulta), Libertas (People voting in the Comitia), Potestas (The magistrates acting through their edicts). These Senate rules make a confusion with Auctoritas and Potestas. That is another step for a Senate weakening
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - ANTIQUO - There are, of course, many fine points here even though the KISS principle has never come within a country mile of this document. However, the restrictions on the censores (despite being owners of the Senate list, and therefore entitled to privileges this would remove) and such matters as the definition of Senators as having been appointed by the Lex Popillia when I suspect that the membership of some members of this body preceded this legislation are among points which govern my rejection of this item.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to note that I share Senator Paulinus' concern that some things would have been better voted upon as individual items, but I recognize the tremendous job my colleague did in preparing this agenda, and the concern is a minor one.
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87186 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Ave Sulla,

Not confused, just in a rush~ I profusely apologize to you - *laughs* if it was in my power i would make restitution to you - maybe a year's tax?

Just teasing - but amice, rather then picking how about being proactive and begin a conversation regarding an aspect of Nova Roma?

Vale bene

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave!
>
> Ummm are you confused? There is a difference between sc's and scu's.
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:29 PM, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> > Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
> >
> > Just a comment or two~
> > I apologize for being so late but I have been swamped in the macro world, but I have notes from my mobile;)
> >
> > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
> >
> > Sounds reasonable so far…
> >
> > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
> >
> > There is an awful lot of work to be done, foremost is making our website secure. As long as we don't shoot our usual and become obsessive with, and possessive of, our work and keep things simple we can make our site secure. We can always add bells and whistles later.
> > I see a report to go to the Consul every four months, but what is the goal date? When can we expect this, or a part of it, to be done. It needs target dates, short term and long term. Even if we are volunteers.
> >
> > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
> >
> > Eh! Unfortunately we must put the cart before the horse, but this is missing a plan for even a projected income. Provisional it may be and it might meet a need in what is clearly a dire situation but… well I'll comment another time regarding possible projected income.
> >
> > Very busy productive session but the SCUs make that possible â€" this year we will reach a phenomenal record of SCUs. Will we remember the process of Roman Law and Democracy next year? :)
> >
> > Julia
> > Nasburgi Scribebat
> > prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "reenbru" <reenbru@> wrote:
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > A) Item 2: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> > > B) ITEM 2: PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012 (Item 2 SC Payments Jan 2012.pdf)
> > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
> > > I. The Senate approves the below specified payments to the following corporations:
> > > 1. $720.00 USD to Fredrik Consulting AB for Nova Roma web hosting 2011-09-01 to 2012-08-31
> > > 2. $245.00 USD to Ainsworth, Thelin & Raftice, P.A for services as Registered Agent
> > > II. The Senate approves reimbursement payments of all amounts expended by the consular Publius
> > > Ullerius Stephanus Venator during his consulship on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. This approval is
> > > conditional on:
> > > 1. The presentation of invoices and/or receipts, in respect of such payments made by the consular
> > > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator, to the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) of Nova Roma, or if that
> > > position is unfilled then to the Consuls.
> > > 2. The invoices and/or receipts at II.1 being to the satisfaction of the CFO, or if that position is
> > > unfilled then to the satisfaction of the Consuls, a payment of a debt owed by Nova Roma Inc.
> > > 3. Any original invoices and/or receipts submitted for payment at II.1 must be mailed to the CFO or if
> > > that position is unfilled then to the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar. Such original invoices and/or
> > > receipts must be retained and scanned copies of each subsequently uploaded to the files section
> > > of the Senate list.
> > > III. The Senate approves expenditure of no more than $50 USD for any required mandatory filing in
> > > relation to the non-profit status of Nova Roma Inc. A confirmation post with a link to the relevant
> > > Maine State government website showing the exact amount of the filing fee shall be posted to the
> > > Senate list before such payment shall be made. Confirmation is also required that the requisite forms
> > > have been submitted. The person filing them shall post this to the Senate list. In the absence of such
> > > a link, then any other method of documentation/confirmation of the exact amount of the filing fee shall
> > > be posted to the Senate list before such payment shall be made.
> > > IV. The method of payment for the payments at I to III inclusive shall be from either:
> > > 1. Any appropriate account in the name of Nova Roma Inc. at the Bank of America, paid by cheque
> > > by signed by two authorized signatories on such account.
> > > 2. If the appropriate account at IV.1 is unavailable or inaccessible for any reason then from the Pay
> > > Pal account of Nova Roma Inc.
> > > 3. In the event that IV.b is the chosen method of payment, then the Senate authorizes Lucius
> > > Cornelius Sulla Felix to execute such a transaction.
> > > V. If any recipient of such payments at I to III inclusive does not have a corresponding Pay Pal account
> > > to receive such a payment then the Senate authorizes Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix to pay the amount
> > > required from his own funds on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. and to reimburse himself in full settlement
> > > of only that exact amount expended.
> > > VI. All other invoices and/or receipts apart from those at II.1 in respect of these payments must be dealt
> > > with by the same process at II.3
> > >
> > >
> > > C) Votes
> > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I hope for new host as time the current one is expensive and not professional.
> > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - though I would be more comfortable with the title of the office being used rather than the name of the person.
> > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > A) Item 3: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> > > B) ITEM 3: IT TASK FORCE (Item 3 SC IT Task Force_rev_1_new.pdf)
> > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN
> > > INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
> > > I. The Senate authorizes the creation of an Information Technology Task Force (ITTF).
> > > II. The mandate of the ITTF, which it is authorized to execute to completion, shall be:
> > > 1. The recovery of full control over the user identity log in codes and passwords for all aspects of the
> > > Nova Roman website, web page and Wiki, including, but not limited to, the Censorial database
> > > tools and cista.
> > > 2. The recovery of full control over the Nova Roman Internet domain name novaroma.org and to
> > > take steps after such recovery to insure that the domain name, as well as any associated service
> > > marks, are registered under the legal name of the corporation and not to any individual member
> > > or official of Nova Roma.
> > > 3. The relocation of the Nova Roman domain to a USA based server and web host. Such a
> > > relocation must seek the most competitive dollar rate possible for the maximum amount of upload
> > > and download bandwidth, whilst providing the necessary level of technical and software support
> > > services.
> > > 4. Any necessary repairs and updates to the Nova Roman Wiki.
> > > 5. Any other information technology based issue that is identified within the existing software of the
> > > web page, Wiki and censorial database and cista, together with an evaluation of the CMS or other
> > > non-wiki web platforms.
> > > 6. The backup to a storage medium of all messages on the Nova Roman forum (aka "The Main
> > > List), all Senate lists and the censorial database.
> > > 7. A full and comprehensive investigation of the state of the current Nova Roman cista (as distinct
> > > from the votingplace.net cista) and censorial database and tools to establish whether all or any of
> > > this software needs to be:
> > > a. Repaired or altered to conform with any actual or likely security requirements of a USA based
> > > server and web host, and whether any such repair or alteration is likely to be an acceptable
> > > risk and/or cost based on:
> > > i. The degree of complexity involved to the integrity of the applications and data and the
> > > assessed danger from any such repair or alteration.
> > > ii. The length of time necessary to undertake such repairs or alterations.
> > > iii. The cost of such repairs or alterations set against the likely remaining effective lifespan of
> > > the applications and the likelihood and frequency of predicted or identified future repairs
> > > and alterations.
> > > b. Replaced due to the analysis of risk and/or cost at II.7.a
> > > 8. A full and comprehensive investigation of alternative applications in respect of any application
> > > identified by the process at II.7.b and to estimate the dollar cost of such alternatives and to:
> > > a. Report to the Senate the estimate if it is not revenue neutral expenditure and seek authority
> > > for the purchase and deployment of such alternative applications.
> > > b. Initiate the immediate design and testing of such applications only if it is revenue neutral
> > > expenditure. Upon successful conclusion of such design and testing the ITTF will take the
> > > necessary steps for the immediate deployment and use of such alternative applications.
> > > III. The ITTF shall be a committee of the Senate chaired by the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, who is
> > > authorized to appoint such persons of his choosing to the committee. Such persons need not be
> > > members of the Senate and should have a required degree of technical skills and ability, with a
> > > relevant background.
> > > IV. The ITTF shall deliver, through the chair Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, a report to the Senate list every four
> > > months commencing from the date of enactment of this Senatus consultum, until such time as its
> > > mandate is completed.
> > > V. Upon completion of its mandate the ITTF shall be dissolved.
> > >
> > >
> > > C) Votes
> > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - If I may be permitted: We need a functional website that can be made secure. We don't need Latin sound effects the score of Gladiator or even Ben Hur as some people have said over the years. The attraction of Nova Roma is Nova Roma itself. We do not need bells and whistles on our website. Recall what a famous Roman Censor once spoke. Look to Greece for frivolity and in decision, look to Rome for sober consideration and people who fellow the Law."
> > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > A) Item 4: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> > > B) ITEM 4: BUDGET 2765 (Item 4 SC Budget 2012_rev_1_new.pdf)
> > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
> > > The purpose of this Senatus consultum is to establish the Nova Roman budget for 2765 A.U.C. This is a
> > > provisional budget until full control of the bank accounts is established. The operating fund, until the accounts are
> > > recovered will be the Nova Roman PayPal account. The Senate authorizes all forecast estimated expenses up to
> > > the amounts indicated below.
> > >
> > > KNOWN EXPENSES $ NOTES
> > >
> > > Registered Agent Fee (Arrears) 245.00
> > > Web hosting (Part arrears & paid forward 2012) 720.00
> > > TOTAL 965.00
> > > FORECAST ESTIMATED EXPENSES
> > >
> > > Postage and Mailing Fees 60.00
> > > Directors and officers insurance 500.00
> > > Discretionary Fund 200.00
> > > General & Administrative
> > > Bank Charges 50.00
> > > Mailbox Rental 80.00
> > > QuickBooks Online 480.00
> > > Web Domain Registration - Paid for 2 years in 2010
> > > Web Hosting (01-Sep-12 to 31-Aug-12) 720.00 Will be less after relocation to USA
> > > TOTAL General & Administrative 1330.00
> > > Legal & Professional
> > > Filing Fees 50.00
> > > Records Fees 10.00
> > > Registered Agent (Annual fee) 200.00
> > > Registered Agent (Consultation fee) 150.00
> > > TOTAL Legal & Professional 410.00
> > > PayPal Fees 150.00
> > > Reimbursements 300.00 Estimated expended by consul 2011
> > > TOTAL EXPENSES 3915.00
> > > INCOME
> > > Tax 2200.00 Assuming no loss/gain on 2011 amount
> > > TOTAL INCOME 2200.00 Excludes interest, donations etc.
> > > OPERATING FUND PayPal account
> > > Payments account 2995.54
> > > Funding account 3236.63
> > > TOTAL OPERATING FUND - CURRENT 6232.17
> > > NET INCOME (1715.00)
> > > TOTAL OPERATING FUND â€" PROJECTED 4517.17
> > >
> > >
> > > C) Votes
> > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *CPD* - ANTIQUO. - This budget is in deficit, even if fortunately some funds permit to prevent the entire bankruptcy of Nova Roma. The result is that this SC estimates a loss (net income) of $1715,00. This projection of less money this year in comparison with the last year is not ambitious.
> > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> >
> >
> > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post |
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87187 From: Robert Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Ave,

After the move sure! But the glaring inaccuracy needed correction. An scu is a very different beast than a routine senatus consulta.

Back to unpacking.

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:52 PM, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

> Ave Sulla,
>
> Not confused, just in a rush~ I profusely apologize to you - *laughs* if it was in my power i would make restitution to you - maybe a year's tax?
>
> Just teasing - but amice, rather then picking how about being proactive and begin a conversation regarding an aspect of Nova Roma?
>
> Vale bene
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ave!
> >
> > Ummm are you confused? There is a difference between sc's and scu's.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:29 PM, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
> > >
> > > Just a comment or two~
> > > I apologize for being so late but I have been swamped in the macro world, but I have notes from my mobile;)
> > >
> > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
> > >
> > > Sounds reasonable so far…
> > >
> > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
> > >
> > > There is an awful lot of work to be done, foremost is making our website secure. As long as we don't shoot our usual and become obsessive with, and possessive of, our work and keep things simple we can make our site secure. We can always add bells and whistles later.
> > > I see a report to go to the Consul every four months, but what is the goal date? When can we expect this, or a part of it, to be done. It needs target dates, short term and long term. Even if we are volunteers.
> > >
> > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
> > >
> > > Eh! Unfortunately we must put the cart before the horse, but this is missing a plan for even a projected income. Provisional it may be and it might meet a need in what is clearly a dire situation but… well I'll comment another time regarding possible projected income.
> > >
> > > Very busy productive session but the SCUs make that possible â€" this year we will reach a phenomenal record of SCUs. Will we remember the process of Roman Law and Democracy next year? :)
> > >
> > > Julia
> > > Nasburgi Scribebat
> > > prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "reenbru" <reenbru@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > A) Item 2: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> > > > B) ITEM 2: PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012 (Item 2 SC Payments Jan 2012.pdf)
> > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
> > > > I. The Senate approves the below specified payments to the following corporations:
> > > > 1. $720.00 USD to Fredrik Consulting AB for Nova Roma web hosting 2011-09-01 to 2012-08-31
> > > > 2. $245.00 USD to Ainsworth, Thelin & Raftice, P.A for services as Registered Agent
> > > > II. The Senate approves reimbursement payments of all amounts expended by the consular Publius
> > > > Ullerius Stephanus Venator during his consulship on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. This approval is
> > > > conditional on:
> > > > 1. The presentation of invoices and/or receipts, in respect of such payments made by the consular
> > > > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator, to the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) of Nova Roma, or if that
> > > > position is unfilled then to the Consuls.
> > > > 2. The invoices and/or receipts at II.1 being to the satisfaction of the CFO, or if that position is
> > > > unfilled then to the satisfaction of the Consuls, a payment of a debt owed by Nova Roma Inc.
> > > > 3. Any original invoices and/or receipts submitted for payment at II.1 must be mailed to the CFO or if
> > > > that position is unfilled then to the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar. Such original invoices and/or
> > > > receipts must be retained and scanned copies of each subsequently uploaded to the files section
> > > > of the Senate list.
> > > > III. The Senate approves expenditure of no more than $50 USD for any required mandatory filing in
> > > > relation to the non-profit status of Nova Roma Inc. A confirmation post with a link to the relevant
> > > > Maine State government website showing the exact amount of the filing fee shall be posted to the
> > > > Senate list before such payment shall be made. Confirmation is also required that the requisite forms
> > > > have been submitted. The person filing them shall post this to the Senate list. In the absence of such
> > > > a link, then any other method of documentation/confirmation of the exact amount of the filing fee shall
> > > > be posted to the Senate list before such payment shall be made.
> > > > IV. The method of payment for the payments at I to III inclusive shall be from either:
> > > > 1. Any appropriate account in the name of Nova Roma Inc. at the Bank of America, paid by cheque
> > > > by signed by two authorized signatories on such account.
> > > > 2. If the appropriate account at IV.1 is unavailable or inaccessible for any reason then from the Pay
> > > > Pal account of Nova Roma Inc.
> > > > 3. In the event that IV.b is the chosen method of payment, then the Senate authorizes Lucius
> > > > Cornelius Sulla Felix to execute such a transaction.
> > > > V. If any recipient of such payments at I to III inclusive does not have a corresponding Pay Pal account
> > > > to receive such a payment then the Senate authorizes Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix to pay the amount
> > > > required from his own funds on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. and to reimburse himself in full settlement
> > > > of only that exact amount expended.
> > > > VI. All other invoices and/or receipts apart from those at II.1 in respect of these payments must be dealt
> > > > with by the same process at II.3
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > C) Votes
> > > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I hope for new host as time the current one is expensive and not professional.
> > > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - though I would be more comfortable with the title of the office being used rather than the name of the person.
> > > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > A) Item 3: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> > > > B) ITEM 3: IT TASK FORCE (Item 3 SC IT Task Force_rev_1_new.pdf)
> > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN
> > > > INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
> > > > I. The Senate authorizes the creation of an Information Technology Task Force (ITTF).
> > > > II. The mandate of the ITTF, which it is authorized to execute to completion, shall be:
> > > > 1. The recovery of full control over the user identity log in codes and passwords for all aspects of the
> > > > Nova Roman website, web page and Wiki, including, but not limited to, the Censorial database
> > > > tools and cista.
> > > > 2. The recovery of full control over the Nova Roman Internet domain name novaroma.org and to
> > > > take steps after such recovery to insure that the domain name, as well as any associated service
> > > > marks, are registered under the legal name of the corporation and not to any individual member
> > > > or official of Nova Roma.
> > > > 3. The relocation of the Nova Roman domain to a USA based server and web host. Such a
> > > > relocation must seek the most competitive dollar rate possible for the maximum amount of upload
> > > > and download bandwidth, whilst providing the necessary level of technical and software support
> > > > services.
> > > > 4. Any necessary repairs and updates to the Nova Roman Wiki.
> > > > 5. Any other information technology based issue that is identified within the existing software of the
> > > > web page, Wiki and censorial database and cista, together with an evaluation of the CMS or other
> > > > non-wiki web platforms.
> > > > 6. The backup to a storage medium of all messages on the Nova Roman forum (aka "The Main
> > > > List), all Senate lists and the censorial database.
> > > > 7. A full and comprehensive investigation of the state of the current Nova Roman cista (as distinct
> > > > from the votingplace.net cista) and censorial database and tools to establish whether all or any of
> > > > this software needs to be:
> > > > a. Repaired or altered to conform with any actual or likely security requirements of a USA based
> > > > server and web host, and whether any such repair or alteration is likely to be an acceptable
> > > > risk and/or cost based on:
> > > > i. The degree of complexity involved to the integrity of the applications and data and the
> > > > assessed danger from any such repair or alteration.
> > > > ii. The length of time necessary to undertake such repairs or alterations.
> > > > iii. The cost of such repairs or alterations set against the likely remaining effective lifespan of
> > > > the applications and the likelihood and frequency of predicted or identified future repairs
> > > > and alterations.
> > > > b. Replaced due to the analysis of risk and/or cost at II.7.a
> > > > 8. A full and comprehensive investigation of alternative applications in respect of any application
> > > > identified by the process at II.7.b and to estimate the dollar cost of such alternatives and to:
> > > > a. Report to the Senate the estimate if it is not revenue neutral expenditure and seek authority
> > > > for the purchase and deployment of such alternative applications.
> > > > b. Initiate the immediate design and testing of such applications only if it is revenue neutral
> > > > expenditure. Upon successful conclusion of such design and testing the ITTF will take the
> > > > necessary steps for the immediate deployment and use of such alternative applications.
> > > > III. The ITTF shall be a committee of the Senate chaired by the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, who is
> > > > authorized to appoint such persons of his choosing to the committee. Such persons need not be
> > > > members of the Senate and should have a required degree of technical skills and ability, with a
> > > > relevant background.
> > > > IV. The ITTF shall deliver, through the chair Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, a report to the Senate list every four
> > > > months commencing from the date of enactment of this Senatus consultum, until such time as its
> > > > mandate is completed.
> > > > V. Upon completion of its mandate the ITTF shall be dissolved.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > C) Votes
> > > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - If I may be permitted: We need a functional website that can be made secure. We don't need Latin sound effects the score of Gladiator or even Ben Hur as some people have said over the years. The attraction of Nova Roma is Nova Roma itself. We do not need bells and whistles on our website. Recall what a famous Roman Censor once spoke. Look to Greece for frivolity and in decision, look to Rome for sober consideration and people who fellow the Law."
> > > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> > > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > A) Item 4: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> > > > B) ITEM 4: BUDGET 2765 (Item 4 SC Budget 2012_rev_1_new.pdf)
> > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
> > > > The purpose of this Senatus consultum is to establish the Nova Roman budget for 2765 A.U.C. This is a
> > > > provisional budget until full control of the bank accounts is established. The operating fund, until the accounts are
> > > > recovered will be the Nova Roman PayPal account. The Senate authorizes all forecast estimated expenses up to
> > > > the amounts indicated below.
> > > >
> > > > KNOWN EXPENSES $ NOTES
> > > >
> > > > Registered Agent Fee (Arrears) 245.00
> > > > Web hosting (Part arrears & paid forward 2012) 720.00
> > > > TOTAL 965.00
> > > > FORECAST ESTIMATED EXPENSES
> > > >
> > > > Postage and Mailing Fees 60.00
> > > > Directors and officers insurance 500.00
> > > > Discretionary Fund 200.00
> > > > General & Administrative
> > > > Bank Charges 50.00
> > > > Mailbox Rental 80.00
> > > > QuickBooks Online 480.00
> > > > Web Domain Registration - Paid for 2 years in 2010
> > > > Web Hosting (01-Sep-12 to 31-Aug-12) 720.00 Will be less after relocation to USA
> > > > TOTAL General & Administrative 1330.00
> > > > Legal & Professional
> > > > Filing Fees 50.00
> > > > Records Fees 10.00
> > > > Registered Agent (Annual fee) 200.00
> > > > Registered Agent (Consultation fee) 150.00
> > > > TOTAL Legal & Professional 410.00
> > > > PayPal Fees 150.00
> > > > Reimbursements 300.00 Estimated expended by consul 2011
> > > > TOTAL EXPENSES 3915.00
> > > > INCOME
> > > > Tax 2200.00 Assuming no loss/gain on 2011 amount
> > > > TOTAL INCOME 2200.00 Excludes interest, donations etc.
> > > > OPERATING FUND PayPal account
> > > > Payments account 2995.54
> > > > Funding account 3236.63
> > > > TOTAL OPERATING FUND - CURRENT 6232.17
> > > > NET INCOME (1715.00)
> > > > TOTAL OPERATING FUND â€" PROJECTED 4517.17
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > C) Votes
> > > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> > > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *CPD* - ANTIQUO. - This budget is in deficit, even if fortunately some funds permit to prevent the entire bankruptcy of Nova Roma. The result is that this SC estimates a loss (net income) of $1715,00. This projection of less money this year in comparison with the last year is not ambitious.
> > > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87188 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 4 of
Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.

> ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION AMENDMENT SENATUS CONSULTUM ON AN AMENDMENT TO NOVAROMA INC. ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION

I agree this needs work.

>SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF A SENATE COMMITTEE CONCERNING THE CREATION OF THE PROVOCATIO PROCESS

This is a good think providing the committee does not go the way of committees in the past.

> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON DERIVING MEANING FROM LEGAL AUTHORITIES

A good legal dictionary is the first step. I agree with Scholastica on this one, it's a bit heavy handed. Anyone remember the "shall" discussion. This has an `ocd' feel to me, but hey if you have the hours to spendÂ…

Julia
Nasburgi Scribebat
prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "reenbru" <reenbru@...> wrote:
>
>
> A) Item 9: [passed - 12 in favor, 5 opposing]
> B) ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION AMENDMENT SENATUS CONSULTUM ON AN AMENDMENT TO NOVA ROMA INC. ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
> The Senate authorizes this following amendment, numbered 1 to 8 inclusive, to the Articles of Incorporation of Nova Roma Inc.
> 1. As per §702.1 of Title 13-B: MAINE NONPROFIT CORPORATION ACT the number of directors of Nova Roma Inc. shall be fixed to a number that equals the product of the total number of Senators added to the total number of those former magistrates who are exercising the right to attend meetings of the Senate of
> Nova Roma. Senators and former magistrates shall be directors of Nova Roma Inc.
> 2. Senators are defined as those persons who are classified by the Censors as Senators and are included
> on the Album senatorum and who are classified as assidui.
> 3. Former magistrates are defined as those persons who are classified by the Censors as being
> dictatorius, censorius, consularis, or praetorius, and who are classified as assidui.
> 4. "Exercising the right to attend meetings of the Senate of Nova Roma" is defined as being included on the
> Album senatorum by the Censors.
> 5. The process by which any adjustment shall be made to the number of directors who are Senators is as
> defined in the Lex Popillia senatoria
> 6. The process by which any adjustment shall be made to the number of directors who are former
> magistrates shall be either their inclusion or removal from the Album senatorum by the Censors.
> 7. For the purposes of §702.1 of Title 13-B: MAINE NONPROFIT CORPORATION ACT time to time shall be defined as either at a minimum of after every census within Nova Roma or more often than that as
> determined by the Censors on an as needed basis.
> 8. For the purposes of §702.1 of Title 13-B: MAINE NONPROFIT CORPORATION ACT bylaws are defined as any censorial edictum and the Lex Popillia senatoria.
>
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - ANTIQUO - (Section 4) I do not believe that non-senators should be included in the Album Senatorum, regardless of what past practice has been. I believe that the Album Senatorum should properly consist of senators and senators alone. (Section 5) Since there is a question as to whether or not the lex Popillia should be repealed, including it in our Articles of Incorporation is a problem. In addition, I do not believe that our Articles of Incorporation should *ever* include reference to specific internal leges, as the repeal of any such leges would require the re-writing of the Articles of Incorporation to remove mention of them.
> *QFM* - ANTIQUO - This needs more work. It needs to be rewritten and brought before the house once again.
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS - I wish we had been able to vote on some of this as individual items. As I have expressed to the Consul I am of the opinion that the Censors or at least most Censors can be trusted to moderate the Senate list. I have also expressed to him that while the Plebian vs Patrician ranking was real in Rome it is not in Nova Roma. Given the chance to vote individually I would have voted no on these few items.
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - ANTIQUO - This item purpose was not concluded yet.
> *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - ANTIQUO - The SC make an interpretation of the lex Popillia Senatoria about the number of senators with the number of members who may vote in the Senate meetings
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - ANTIQUO - I agree with Senatores Cato and Dexter on this. In addition, the first point is rather peculiar: How are we to obtain this number? Are we to multiply the number of senators by the number of magistrates? Are we to add them? Product typically signifies multiplication... Moreover, some of the definitions seem rather circular: one is a Senator is one is in the Album Senatorium [which likely can be altered by anyone with access]. Perhaps this does need improvement, and resubmission at a later date.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A) Item 11: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> B) ITEM 11: PROVOCATIO COMMITTEE (Item 11 SC Provocatio.pdf)
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF A SENATE COMMITTEE CONCERNING THE CREATION OF THE PROVOCATIO PROCESS
> I. The Senate authorizes the creation of a committee of the Senate to establish the process by which
> the Nova Roman constitutional right of provocatio can be administered. This shall be known as the
> Provocatio Committee.
> II. The mandate of the Provocatio Committee shall be:
> 1. To establish the objectives of a provocatio process.
> 2. To identify and/or establish any limitations, legal, practical or otherwise of a provocatio process.
> 3. To establish the proposed legal framework under which a provocatio appeal shall operate within
> Nova Roma, whilst ensuring that the framework does not conflict with the Constitution and leges
> of Nova Roma.
> 4. To ensure that the proposed legal framework at II.3 also accommodates any appeals that may be
> forthcoming as a result of any hearings or trials that may be conducted under the authority of any
> lex currently in force.
> 5. To ensure that the proposed legal framework at II.3 can meet the constitutional intent of
> provocatio.
> 6. To ensure that the proposed legal framework at II.3 can accommodate in an efficient and
> equitable manner multiple identical, or similar claims, of provocatio arising from one related
> incident and to establish the legal principles under which such multiple claims may be
> administered.
> 7. To ensure that any sanctions that may be imposed through the provocatio process are not in
> conflict with the Constitution or any lex currently in force.
> 8. To provide regular reports to the Senate list at a frequency to be determined by the chair of the
> Provocatio Committee.
> 9. When the mandate is complete from II.1 to II.7 inclusive, to present the proposed legal framework
> to the Senate for debate and a vote, by way of Senatus consultum passed by simple majority, to
> endorse such a framework with Senatorial approval.
> 10. If the proposed process is endorsed as at II.9, then to draft a proposed lex incorporating any
> observations made in the Senatus consultum
> 11. To execute such further tasks as the Senate may see fit to add, by way of amending Senatus
> consultum, to the mandate.
> III. The Provocatio Committee shall present the proposed lex at II.9 to both the consuls for review when
> completed.
> IV. The consuls shall either both approve the proposed lex, or it shall be returned to the Provocatio
> Committee for any amendments required.
> V. Once both consuls are satisfied with the proposed lex they shall arrange for the matter to be put to
> the relevant comitia, such comitia being selected based on the scope of the proposed legal
> framework and/or the proposed lex.
> VI. The chair of the Provocatio Committee shall be Marcus Minucius Audens
> VII. Members of the Provocatio Committee, apart from the chair, shall be Marcus Cornelius Gualterus
> Graecus, Statia Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia, Gaius Equitius Cato, Gaius Petronius Dexter and
> Vibius Valerius Volusus.
> VIII. No other persons, other than those at sections VI and VII, shall be members of the Provocatio
> Committee without a further Senatus consultum being enacted to enable this.
> IX. The chair of the Provocatio Committee shall determine the internal rules under which it operates.
> X. Upon presentation of the proposed lex and it receiving the approval of both consuls as at section IV of
> this Senatus consultum, the Provocatio Committee shall be dissolved.
>
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - Since wrote a paper on this very subject for my Roman Jurisprudence class I am in a unique
> position to aid a committee
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS
> *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - I would like to see a greater diversity in perspectives than seem to be present in this group, however.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A) Item 12: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> B) ITEM 12: DERIVING MEANING (Item 12 SC Deriving meaning_rev_2_new.pdf)
> SENATUS CONSULTUM ON DERIVING MEANING FROM LEGAL AUTHORITIES
> The Senate establishes the following as a common code for deriving meaning from any of the legal code that
> have no established process of their own to facilitate that.
> I. The Senate, recognizing that the legal authorities, as defined at I.B Constitution of Nova Roma, may not
> possess an integral process to establish meaning from sections, phrases and words where such meaning
> is unclear or disputed, institutes the following mandatory methodology to be applied in order to create a
> uniform standard of deriving such meaning. This methodology only applies to any such legal authority that
> does not posses its own integral process to establish such meaning in respect of its own contents, where
> such a process is clearly indicated as a dispute resolution and/or interpretative methodology.
> II. The magistrates as defined at IV.A, IV.B.2 of the Constitution of Nova Roma, as well as all provincial
> governors and magistrates of oppida and municipia and all other appointed or elected officials of Nova
> Roma must adopt and use this methodology established in this Senatus consultum in order to derive such
> meaning when there is a dispute or uncertainty as regards a section over (but not limited to) its:
>
> 1. Intent
> 2. Meaning
> 3. Consequence(s)
> 4. Limit(s)
> 5. Condition(s)
> 6. Conflict with one or more other legal authorities
> 7. Unforeseen situations
> 8. Scope
> 9. Unjust result
> 10. (Any other dispute not specified in II.1 to II.9 inclusive)
>
> III. The literal rule or plain meaning rule must be adopted to resolve any of the disputes at II.1 to II.10
> inclusive, which shall be defined for the purposes of this Senatus consultum as the process of examining
> each word and establishing a meaning based on reference to:
>
> 1. http://dictionary.findlaw.com/definition/reference.html
> 2. http://www.merriam-webster.com/
>
> IV. Each word in the section or phrase subject of the dispute at II.1 to II.10 inclusive shall be searched first
> within III.1. If a meaning is found then this shall be the only meaning that shall be adopted and no search
> shall be made within III.2, but if that search of III.1 does not find a meaning then III.2 shall be searched
> and then this shall be the only meaning that shall be adopted.
> V. In the event a search of III.2 does not find a meaning then the word not found shall be ignored. Any
> obvious spelling mistakes in the word shall be ignored and the correct spelling substituted for the
> purposes of the searches at III.1 and/or III.2. With words that are inflected, a search should be made on
> the free morpheme element of that word.
> VI. If the dispute or uncertainty at section II is over the alleged meaning of a section, phrase or word and one
> meaning is held to exist by one or more parties to the dispute, and denied by one or more other parties to
> the dispute then the definitive test of meaning shall be, after the searches at III.1 and/or III.2 have been
> completed on all the words in the section, phrase or word, whether the alleged meaning is found within
> the meaning(s) discovered during such searches at III.1 and/or III.2.
> VII. If the alleged meaning at section VI is found then that section, phrase or word shall be assigned that
> meaning as its final and lawful meaning and shall for the purposes of deriving meaning and resolving the
> dispute or uncertainty prove that the alleged meaning is true.
> VIII. It is forbidden for the alleged meaning at VI to be implied or inferred from the meanings found. It has to be present in the searches at III.1 and/or III.2 in the exact word(s) that form the alleged meaning. The
> alleged meaning has to be present in the immediate result of the searches at III.1 and/or III.2. Continuing
> such searches, or drilling down, on any phrase or word that was in the immediate results of a search at
> III.1 and/or III.2 for the purpose of trying to find the alleged meaning is forbidden. Only one search shall
> be conducted using the dictionaries at III.1 and/or III.2.
> IX. If the searches at III.1 and/or III.2 reveal an absence of any such exact word(s) as are in what is held to
> be the alleged meaning, by any of the parties to the dispute or uncertainty, then that shall be the final and
> lawful proof that such an alleged meaning is false.
> X. If as a result of the searches at III.1 and/or III.2 it is held by one or more parties to the dispute or
> uncertainty that the derived literal meaning is a legal absurdity, or some other issue is alleged to have
> arisen, or still exist, from the searches at III.1 and/or III.2 then a consul or praetor shall apply his/her own
> interpretation of the result of such searches, and his/her interpretation shall be held to be the final and
> lawful meaning of the section, phrase or word. Such an interpretation by a consul or praetor shall be
> deemed to be with the full legal authority of this Senatus consultum applied to it and through it. Such an
> interpretation by a consul or praetor shall be lawful even if that consul or praetor is a party to the dispute.
> XI. In the event that there is a dispute or uncertainty over any section, phrase or word of this Senatus
> consultum then, regardless of section II, the process to establish meaning from any section, phrase or
> word where such meaning is unclear or disputed shall be by the interpretation of a Consul or Praetor and
> his/her interpretation shall be held to be the final and lawful meaning of the section, phrase or word. Such
> an interpretation by a consul or praetor shall be deemed to be with the full legal authority of this Senatus
> consultum applied to it and through it.
> XII. The final and lawful proof so established at VII shall be defined and applied as though that meaning was
> contained within the legal instrument subject of the dispute or uncertainty and shall have the full authority
> of this Senatus consultum applied to it and through it, as well as that of the legal authority subject of the
> dispute or uncertainty.
> XIII. In respect of grammar and punctuation used in the section, phrase or word subject of the dispute or
> uncertainty, the grammatical and punctuation rules of American English shall be used to assist the consul
> or praetor at section X of this Senatus consultum. The following shall be, for the purposes of this Senatus
> consultum, the definitive and only permitted sources for use in respect to grammar and punctuation:
>
> 1. Grammar: http://www.bartleby.com/141/
> 2. Punctuation: http://www.grammarbook.com/
>
> XIV. In respect of 1.C of the Lex Arminia Equitia de imperio, "the power to interpret the law within the duties of the magistrate holding the Potestas" shall be defined as a power exercised using the methodology
> described in this Senatus consultum. It is the duty of the magistrate to follow this methodology and any
> method of interpretation that does not fall within the terms, processes and scope of this Senatus
> consultum is forbidden and illegal.
> XV. In respect of 2.E of the Lex Arminia Equitia de imperio, "the power to interpret the law, on all levels on all Nova Roma subjects" shall be defined as a power exercised using the methodology described in this
> Senatus consultum. Specifically "on all levels" is defined as all levels of the legal authorities as specified
> at I.B Constitution of Nova Roma and does not confer upon such interpretation any greater legal authority
> that would allow this Senatus consultum to be circumvented. It is the duty of the magistrate to follow this
> methodology and any method of interpretation that does not fall within the terms, processes and scope of
> this Senatus consultum is forbidden and illegal.
> XVI. For the purposes of sections X or XI of this Senatus consultum, the interpretation of a consul shall prevail over that of a praetor if the opinions of both differ.
> XVII. If for the purposes of sections X or XI both consuls disagree on such an interpretation, then the Senate by way of Senatus consultum passed by way of simple majority shall resolve the matter. Such a matter must
> be put to the Senate at the next formal meeting of the Senate in session following such a disagreement.
> Both interpretations must be offered to the Senate to vote upon. No other method of resolution is lawful.
> Until the Senate resolves the matter no interpretation held as true by either consul shall be considered
> final and lawful.
>
> C) Votes
> *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> *TIS* - UTI ROGAS
> *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> *ATS* - ANTIQUO - Although it is a good idea to have standard references, this seems to me rather heavy-handed. With luck, we won't have to define the various forms of the English word corresponding to the Latin esse [to be] or anything similar.
> *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Valete
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87189 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Ave Sulla!

Correct! But when we say "routine" and "senatus consulta" in the same breath, to me that's a little disconcerting. Just my opinion;)

Hope your move goes easy!

Vale bene

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> After the move sure! But the glaring inaccuracy needed correction. An scu is a very different beast than a routine senatus consulta.
>
> Back to unpacking.
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:52 PM, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
> > Ave Sulla,
> >
> > Not confused, just in a rush~ I profusely apologize to you - *laughs* if it was in my power i would make restitution to you - maybe a year's tax?
> >
> > Just teasing - but amice, rather then picking how about being proactive and begin a conversation regarding an aspect of Nova Roma?
> >
> > Vale bene
> >
> > Julia
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ave!
> > >
> > > Ummm are you confused? There is a difference between sc's and scu's.
> > >
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Sulla
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:29 PM, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
> > > >
> > > > Just a comment or two~
> > > > I apologize for being so late but I have been swamped in the macro world, but I have notes from my mobile;)
> > > >
> > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
> > > >
> > > > Sounds reasonable so far…
> > > >
> > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
> > > >
> > > > There is an awful lot of work to be done, foremost is making our website secure. As long as we don't shoot our usual and become obsessive with, and possessive of, our work and keep things simple we can make our site secure. We can always add bells and whistles later.
> > > > I see a report to go to the Consul every four months, but what is the goal date? When can we expect this, or a part of it, to be done. It needs target dates, short term and long term. Even if we are volunteers.
> > > >
> > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
> > > >
> > > > Eh! Unfortunately we must put the cart before the horse, but this is missing a plan for even a projected income. Provisional it may be and it might meet a need in what is clearly a dire situation but… well I'll comment another time regarding possible projected income.
> > > >
> > > > Very busy productive session but the SCUs make that possible â€" this year we will reach a phenomenal record of SCUs. Will we remember the process of Roman Law and Democracy next year? :)
> > > >
> > > > Julia
> > > > Nasburgi Scribebat
> > > > prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "reenbru" <reenbru@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > A) Item 2: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> > > > > B) ITEM 2: PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012 (Item 2 SC Payments Jan 2012.pdf)
> > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
> > > > > I. The Senate approves the below specified payments to the following corporations:
> > > > > 1. $720.00 USD to Fredrik Consulting AB for Nova Roma web hosting 2011-09-01 to 2012-08-31
> > > > > 2. $245.00 USD to Ainsworth, Thelin & Raftice, P.A for services as Registered Agent
> > > > > II. The Senate approves reimbursement payments of all amounts expended by the consular Publius
> > > > > Ullerius Stephanus Venator during his consulship on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. This approval is
> > > > > conditional on:
> > > > > 1. The presentation of invoices and/or receipts, in respect of such payments made by the consular
> > > > > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator, to the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) of Nova Roma, or if that
> > > > > position is unfilled then to the Consuls.
> > > > > 2. The invoices and/or receipts at II.1 being to the satisfaction of the CFO, or if that position is
> > > > > unfilled then to the satisfaction of the Consuls, a payment of a debt owed by Nova Roma Inc.
> > > > > 3. Any original invoices and/or receipts submitted for payment at II.1 must be mailed to the CFO or if
> > > > > that position is unfilled then to the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar. Such original invoices and/or
> > > > > receipts must be retained and scanned copies of each subsequently uploaded to the files section
> > > > > of the Senate list.
> > > > > III. The Senate approves expenditure of no more than $50 USD for any required mandatory filing in
> > > > > relation to the non-profit status of Nova Roma Inc. A confirmation post with a link to the relevant
> > > > > Maine State government website showing the exact amount of the filing fee shall be posted to the
> > > > > Senate list before such payment shall be made. Confirmation is also required that the requisite forms
> > > > > have been submitted. The person filing them shall post this to the Senate list. In the absence of such
> > > > > a link, then any other method of documentation/confirmation of the exact amount of the filing fee shall
> > > > > be posted to the Senate list before such payment shall be made.
> > > > > IV. The method of payment for the payments at I to III inclusive shall be from either:
> > > > > 1. Any appropriate account in the name of Nova Roma Inc. at the Bank of America, paid by cheque
> > > > > by signed by two authorized signatories on such account.
> > > > > 2. If the appropriate account at IV.1 is unavailable or inaccessible for any reason then from the Pay
> > > > > Pal account of Nova Roma Inc.
> > > > > 3. In the event that IV.b is the chosen method of payment, then the Senate authorizes Lucius
> > > > > Cornelius Sulla Felix to execute such a transaction.
> > > > > V. If any recipient of such payments at I to III inclusive does not have a corresponding Pay Pal account
> > > > > to receive such a payment then the Senate authorizes Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix to pay the amount
> > > > > required from his own funds on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. and to reimburse himself in full settlement
> > > > > of only that exact amount expended.
> > > > > VI. All other invoices and/or receipts apart from those at II.1 in respect of these payments must be dealt
> > > > > with by the same process at II.3
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > C) Votes
> > > > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I hope for new host as time the current one is expensive and not professional.
> > > > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - though I would be more comfortable with the title of the office being used rather than the name of the person.
> > > > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > A) Item 3: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> > > > > B) ITEM 3: IT TASK FORCE (Item 3 SC IT Task Force_rev_1_new.pdf)
> > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN
> > > > > INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
> > > > > I. The Senate authorizes the creation of an Information Technology Task Force (ITTF).
> > > > > II. The mandate of the ITTF, which it is authorized to execute to completion, shall be:
> > > > > 1. The recovery of full control over the user identity log in codes and passwords for all aspects of the
> > > > > Nova Roman website, web page and Wiki, including, but not limited to, the Censorial database
> > > > > tools and cista.
> > > > > 2. The recovery of full control over the Nova Roman Internet domain name novaroma.org and to
> > > > > take steps after such recovery to insure that the domain name, as well as any associated service
> > > > > marks, are registered under the legal name of the corporation and not to any individual member
> > > > > or official of Nova Roma.
> > > > > 3. The relocation of the Nova Roman domain to a USA based server and web host. Such a
> > > > > relocation must seek the most competitive dollar rate possible for the maximum amount of upload
> > > > > and download bandwidth, whilst providing the necessary level of technical and software support
> > > > > services.
> > > > > 4. Any necessary repairs and updates to the Nova Roman Wiki.
> > > > > 5. Any other information technology based issue that is identified within the existing software of the
> > > > > web page, Wiki and censorial database and cista, together with an evaluation of the CMS or other
> > > > > non-wiki web platforms.
> > > > > 6. The backup to a storage medium of all messages on the Nova Roman forum (aka "The Main
> > > > > List), all Senate lists and the censorial database.
> > > > > 7. A full and comprehensive investigation of the state of the current Nova Roman cista (as distinct
> > > > > from the votingplace.net cista) and censorial database and tools to establish whether all or any of
> > > > > this software needs to be:
> > > > > a. Repaired or altered to conform with any actual or likely security requirements of a USA based
> > > > > server and web host, and whether any such repair or alteration is likely to be an acceptable
> > > > > risk and/or cost based on:
> > > > > i. The degree of complexity involved to the integrity of the applications and data and the
> > > > > assessed danger from any such repair or alteration.
> > > > > ii. The length of time necessary to undertake such repairs or alterations.
> > > > > iii. The cost of such repairs or alterations set against the likely remaining effective lifespan of
> > > > > the applications and the likelihood and frequency of predicted or identified future repairs
> > > > > and alterations.
> > > > > b. Replaced due to the analysis of risk and/or cost at II.7.a
> > > > > 8. A full and comprehensive investigation of alternative applications in respect of any application
> > > > > identified by the process at II.7.b and to estimate the dollar cost of such alternatives and to:
> > > > > a. Report to the Senate the estimate if it is not revenue neutral expenditure and seek authority
> > > > > for the purchase and deployment of such alternative applications.
> > > > > b. Initiate the immediate design and testing of such applications only if it is revenue neutral
> > > > > expenditure. Upon successful conclusion of such design and testing the ITTF will take the
> > > > > necessary steps for the immediate deployment and use of such alternative applications.
> > > > > III. The ITTF shall be a committee of the Senate chaired by the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, who is
> > > > > authorized to appoint such persons of his choosing to the committee. Such persons need not be
> > > > > members of the Senate and should have a required degree of technical skills and ability, with a
> > > > > relevant background.
> > > > > IV. The ITTF shall deliver, through the chair Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, a report to the Senate list every four
> > > > > months commencing from the date of enactment of this Senatus consultum, until such time as its
> > > > > mandate is completed.
> > > > > V. Upon completion of its mandate the ITTF shall be dissolved.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > C) Votes
> > > > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - If I may be permitted: We need a functional website that can be made secure. We don't need Latin sound effects the score of Gladiator or even Ben Hur as some people have said over the years. The attraction of Nova Roma is Nova Roma itself. We do not need bells and whistles on our website. Recall what a famous Roman Censor once spoke. Look to Greece for frivolity and in decision, look to Rome for sober consideration and people who fellow the Law."
> > > > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> > > > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > A) Item 4: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> > > > > B) ITEM 4: BUDGET 2765 (Item 4 SC Budget 2012_rev_1_new.pdf)
> > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
> > > > > The purpose of this Senatus consultum is to establish the Nova Roman budget for 2765 A.U.C. This is a
> > > > > provisional budget until full control of the bank accounts is established. The operating fund, until the accounts are
> > > > > recovered will be the Nova Roman PayPal account. The Senate authorizes all forecast estimated expenses up to
> > > > > the amounts indicated below.
> > > > >
> > > > > KNOWN EXPENSES $ NOTES
> > > > >
> > > > > Registered Agent Fee (Arrears) 245.00
> > > > > Web hosting (Part arrears & paid forward 2012) 720.00
> > > > > TOTAL 965.00
> > > > > FORECAST ESTIMATED EXPENSES
> > > > >
> > > > > Postage and Mailing Fees 60.00
> > > > > Directors and officers insurance 500.00
> > > > > Discretionary Fund 200.00
> > > > > General & Administrative
> > > > > Bank Charges 50.00
> > > > > Mailbox Rental 80.00
> > > > > QuickBooks Online 480.00
> > > > > Web Domain Registration - Paid for 2 years in 2010
> > > > > Web Hosting (01-Sep-12 to 31-Aug-12) 720.00 Will be less after relocation to USA
> > > > > TOTAL General & Administrative 1330.00
> > > > > Legal & Professional
> > > > > Filing Fees 50.00
> > > > > Records Fees 10.00
> > > > > Registered Agent (Annual fee) 200.00
> > > > > Registered Agent (Consultation fee) 150.00
> > > > > TOTAL Legal & Professional 410.00
> > > > > PayPal Fees 150.00
> > > > > Reimbursements 300.00 Estimated expended by consul 2011
> > > > > TOTAL EXPENSES 3915.00
> > > > > INCOME
> > > > > Tax 2200.00 Assuming no loss/gain on 2011 amount
> > > > > TOTAL INCOME 2200.00 Excludes interest, donations etc.
> > > > > OPERATING FUND PayPal account
> > > > > Payments account 2995.54
> > > > > Funding account 3236.63
> > > > > TOTAL OPERATING FUND - CURRENT 6232.17
> > > > > NET INCOME (1715.00)
> > > > > TOTAL OPERATING FUND â€" PROJECTED 4517.17
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > C) Votes
> > > > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> > > > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *CPD* - ANTIQUO. - This budget is in deficit, even if fortunately some funds permit to prevent the entire bankruptcy of Nova Roma. The result is that this SC estimates a loss (net income) of $1715,00. This projection of less money this year in comparison with the last year is not ambitious.
> > > > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post |
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87190 From: Robert Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Ave,

It isn't to me. :). Routine business like adding and reviewing governors is just an example, tax and fiscal issues are starting to be routine! The senate as the supreme policy making body has a fiduciary duty to be active and involved. It should be routine!

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:04 PM, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

> Ave Sulla!
>
> Correct! But when we say "routine" and "senatus consulta" in the same breath, to me that's a little disconcerting. Just my opinion;)
>
> Hope your move goes easy!
>
> Vale bene
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ave,
> >
> > After the move sure! But the glaring inaccuracy needed correction. An scu is a very different beast than a routine senatus consulta.
> >
> > Back to unpacking.
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:52 PM, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Ave Sulla,
> > >
> > > Not confused, just in a rush~ I profusely apologize to you - *laughs* if it was in my power i would make restitution to you - maybe a year's tax?
> > >
> > > Just teasing - but amice, rather then picking how about being proactive and begin a conversation regarding an aspect of Nova Roma?
> > >
> > > Vale bene
> > >
> > > Julia
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ave!
> > > >
> > > > Ummm are you confused? There is a difference between sc's and scu's.
> > > >
> > > > Vale
> > > >
> > > > Sulla
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:29 PM, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just a comment or two~
> > > > > I apologize for being so late but I have been swamped in the macro world, but I have notes from my mobile;)
> > > > >
> > > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds reasonable so far…
> > > > >
> > > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
> > > > >
> > > > > There is an awful lot of work to be done, foremost is making our website secure. As long as we don't shoot our usual and become obsessive with, and possessive of, our work and keep things simple we can make our site secure. We can always add bells and whistles later.
> > > > > I see a report to go to the Consul every four months, but what is the goal date? When can we expect this, or a part of it, to be done. It needs target dates, short term and long term. Even if we are volunteers.
> > > > >
> > > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
> > > > >
> > > > > Eh! Unfortunately we must put the cart before the horse, but this is missing a plan for even a projected income. Provisional it may be and it might meet a need in what is clearly a dire situation but… well I'll comment another time regarding possible projected income.
> > > > >
> > > > > Very busy productive session but the SCUs make that possible â€" this year we will reach a phenomenal record of SCUs. Will we remember the process of Roman Law and Democracy next year? :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Julia
> > > > > Nasburgi Scribebat
> > > > > prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "reenbru" <reenbru@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A) Item 2: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> > > > > > B) ITEM 2: PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012 (Item 2 SC Payments Jan 2012.pdf)
> > > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
> > > > > > I. The Senate approves the below specified payments to the following corporations:
> > > > > > 1. $720.00 USD to Fredrik Consulting AB for Nova Roma web hosting 2011-09-01 to 2012-08-31
> > > > > > 2. $245.00 USD to Ainsworth, Thelin & Raftice, P.A for services as Registered Agent
> > > > > > II. The Senate approves reimbursement payments of all amounts expended by the consular Publius
> > > > > > Ullerius Stephanus Venator during his consulship on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. This approval is
> > > > > > conditional on:
> > > > > > 1. The presentation of invoices and/or receipts, in respect of such payments made by the consular
> > > > > > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator, to the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) of Nova Roma, or if that
> > > > > > position is unfilled then to the Consuls.
> > > > > > 2. The invoices and/or receipts at II.1 being to the satisfaction of the CFO, or if that position is
> > > > > > unfilled then to the satisfaction of the Consuls, a payment of a debt owed by Nova Roma Inc.
> > > > > > 3. Any original invoices and/or receipts submitted for payment at II.1 must be mailed to the CFO or if
> > > > > > that position is unfilled then to the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar. Such original invoices and/or
> > > > > > receipts must be retained and scanned copies of each subsequently uploaded to the files section
> > > > > > of the Senate list.
> > > > > > III. The Senate approves expenditure of no more than $50 USD for any required mandatory filing in
> > > > > > relation to the non-profit status of Nova Roma Inc. A confirmation post with a link to the relevant
> > > > > > Maine State government website showing the exact amount of the filing fee shall be posted to the
> > > > > > Senate list before such payment shall be made. Confirmation is also required that the requisite forms
> > > > > > have been submitted. The person filing them shall post this to the Senate list. In the absence of such
> > > > > > a link, then any other method of documentation/confirmation of the exact amount of the filing fee shall
> > > > > > be posted to the Senate list before such payment shall be made.
> > > > > > IV. The method of payment for the payments at I to III inclusive shall be from either:
> > > > > > 1. Any appropriate account in the name of Nova Roma Inc. at the Bank of America, paid by cheque
> > > > > > by signed by two authorized signatories on such account.
> > > > > > 2. If the appropriate account at IV.1 is unavailable or inaccessible for any reason then from the Pay
> > > > > > Pal account of Nova Roma Inc.
> > > > > > 3. In the event that IV.b is the chosen method of payment, then the Senate authorizes Lucius
> > > > > > Cornelius Sulla Felix to execute such a transaction.
> > > > > > V. If any recipient of such payments at I to III inclusive does not have a corresponding Pay Pal account
> > > > > > to receive such a payment then the Senate authorizes Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix to pay the amount
> > > > > > required from his own funds on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. and to reimburse himself in full settlement
> > > > > > of only that exact amount expended.
> > > > > > VI. All other invoices and/or receipts apart from those at II.1 in respect of these payments must be dealt
> > > > > > with by the same process at II.3
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > C) Votes
> > > > > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I hope for new host as time the current one is expensive and not professional.
> > > > > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - though I would be more comfortable with the title of the office being used rather than the name of the person.
> > > > > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A) Item 3: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
> > > > > > B) ITEM 3: IT TASK FORCE (Item 3 SC IT Task Force_rev_1_new.pdf)
> > > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN
> > > > > > INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
> > > > > > I. The Senate authorizes the creation of an Information Technology Task Force (ITTF).
> > > > > > II. The mandate of the ITTF, which it is authorized to execute to completion, shall be:
> > > > > > 1. The recovery of full control over the user identity log in codes and passwords for all aspects of the
> > > > > > Nova Roman website, web page and Wiki, including, but not limited to, the Censorial database
> > > > > > tools and cista.
> > > > > > 2. The recovery of full control over the Nova Roman Internet domain name novaroma.org and to
> > > > > > take steps after such recovery to insure that the domain name, as well as any associated service
> > > > > > marks, are registered under the legal name of the corporation and not to any individual member
> > > > > > or official of Nova Roma.
> > > > > > 3. The relocation of the Nova Roman domain to a USA based server and web host. Such a
> > > > > > relocation must seek the most competitive dollar rate possible for the maximum amount of upload
> > > > > > and download bandwidth, whilst providing the necessary level of technical and software support
> > > > > > services.
> > > > > > 4. Any necessary repairs and updates to the Nova Roman Wiki.
> > > > > > 5. Any other information technology based issue that is identified within the existing software of the
> > > > > > web page, Wiki and censorial database and cista, together with an evaluation of the CMS or other
> > > > > > non-wiki web platforms.
> > > > > > 6. The backup to a storage medium of all messages on the Nova Roman forum (aka "The Main
> > > > > > List), all Senate lists and the censorial database.
> > > > > > 7. A full and comprehensive investigation of the state of the current Nova Roman cista (as distinct
> > > > > > from the votingplace.net cista) and censorial database and tools to establish whether all or any of
> > > > > > this software needs to be:
> > > > > > a. Repaired or altered to conform with any actual or likely security requirements of a USA based
> > > > > > server and web host, and whether any such repair or alteration is likely to be an acceptable
> > > > > > risk and/or cost based on:
> > > > > > i. The degree of complexity involved to the integrity of the applications and data and the
> > > > > > assessed danger from any such repair or alteration.
> > > > > > ii. The length of time necessary to undertake such repairs or alterations.
> > > > > > iii. The cost of such repairs or alterations set against the likely remaining effective lifespan of
> > > > > > the applications and the likelihood and frequency of predicted or identified future repairs
> > > > > > and alterations.
> > > > > > b. Replaced due to the analysis of risk and/or cost at II.7.a
> > > > > > 8. A full and comprehensive investigation of alternative applications in respect of any application
> > > > > > identified by the process at II.7.b and to estimate the dollar cost of such alternatives and to:
> > > > > > a. Report to the Senate the estimate if it is not revenue neutral expenditure and seek authority
> > > > > > for the purchase and deployment of such alternative applications.
> > > > > > b. Initiate the immediate design and testing of such applications only if it is revenue neutral
> > > > > > expenditure. Upon successful conclusion of such design and testing the ITTF will take the
> > > > > > necessary steps for the immediate deployment and use of such alternative applications.
> > > > > > III. The ITTF shall be a committee of the Senate chaired by the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, who is
> > > > > > authorized to appoint such persons of his choosing to the committee. Such persons need not be
> > > > > > members of the Senate and should have a required degree of technical skills and ability, with a
> > > > > > relevant background.
> > > > > > IV. The ITTF shall deliver, through the chair Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, a report to the Senate list every four
> > > > > > months commencing from the date of enactment of this Senatus consultum, until such time as its
> > > > > > mandate is completed.
> > > > > > V. Upon completion of its mandate the ITTF shall be dissolved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > C) Votes
> > > > > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - If I may be permitted: We need a functional website that can be made secure. We don't need Latin sound effects the score of Gladiator or even Ben Hur as some people have said over the years. The attraction of Nova Roma is Nova Roma itself. We do not need bells and whistles on our website. Recall what a famous Roman Censor once spoke. Look to Greece for frivolity and in decision, look to Rome for sober consideration and people who fellow the Law."
> > > > > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> > > > > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A) Item 4: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
> > > > > > B) ITEM 4: BUDGET 2765 (Item 4 SC Budget 2012_rev_1_new.pdf)
> > > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
> > > > > > The purpose of this Senatus consultum is to establish the Nova Roman budget for 2765 A.U.C. This is a
> > > > > > provisional budget until full control of the bank accounts is established. The operating fund, until the accounts are
> > > > > > recovered will be the Nova Roman PayPal account. The Senate authorizes all forecast estimated expenses up to
> > > > > > the amounts indicated below.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > KNOWN EXPENSES $ NOTES
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Registered Agent Fee (Arrears) 245.00
> > > > > > Web hosting (Part arrears & paid forward 2012) 720.00
> > > > > > TOTAL 965.00
> > > > > > FORECAST ESTIMATED EXPENSES
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Postage and Mailing Fees 60.00
> > > > > > Directors and officers insurance 500.00
> > > > > > Discretionary Fund 200.00
> > > > > > General & Administrative
> > > > > > Bank Charges 50.00
> > > > > > Mailbox Rental 80.00
> > > > > > QuickBooks Online 480.00
> > > > > > Web Domain Registration - Paid for 2 years in 2010
> > > > > > Web Hosting (01-Sep-12 to 31-Aug-12) 720.00 Will be less after relocation to USA
> > > > > > TOTAL General & Administrative 1330.00
> > > > > > Legal & Professional
> > > > > > Filing Fees 50.00
> > > > > > Records Fees 10.00
> > > > > > Registered Agent (Annual fee) 200.00
> > > > > > Registered Agent (Consultation fee) 150.00
> > > > > > TOTAL Legal & Professional 410.00
> > > > > > PayPal Fees 150.00
> > > > > > Reimbursements 300.00 Estimated expended by consul 2011
> > > > > > TOTAL EXPENSES 3915.00
> > > > > > INCOME
> > > > > > Tax 2200.00 Assuming no loss/gain on 2011 amount
> > > > > > TOTAL INCOME 2200.00 Excludes interest, donations etc.
> > > > > > OPERATING FUND PayPal account
> > > > > > Payments account 2995.54
> > > > > > Funding account 3236.63
> > > > > > TOTAL OPERATING FUND - CURRENT 6232.17
> > > > > > NET INCOME (1715.00)
> > > > > > TOTAL OPERATING FUND â€" PROJECTED 4517.17
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > C) Votes
> > > > > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
> > > > > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *CPD* - ANTIQUO. - This budget is in deficit, even if fortunately some funds permit to prevent the entire bankruptcy of Nova Roma. The result is that this SC estimates a loss (net income) of $1715,00. This projection of less money this year in comparison with the last year is not ambitious.
> > > > > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87191 From: Robert Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 2 of
Oh the move is a pain in the arse! Very very tough. I hope to clean out alot of crap now heheh.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

> Ave,
>
> It isn't to me. :). Routine business like adding and reviewing governors is just an example, tax and fiscal issues are starting to be routine! The senate as the supreme policy making body has a fiduciary duty to be active and involved. It should be routine!
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:04 PM, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>
>> Ave Sulla!
>>
>> Correct! But when we say "routine" and "senatus consulta" in the same breath, to me that's a little disconcerting. Just my opinion;)
>>
>> Hope your move goes easy!
>>
>> Vale bene
>>
>> Julia
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ave,
>> >
>> > After the move sure! But the glaring inaccuracy needed correction. An scu is a very different beast than a routine senatus consulta.
>> >
>> > Back to unpacking.
>> >
>> > Sulla
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:52 PM, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ave Sulla,
>> > >
>> > > Not confused, just in a rush~ I profusely apologize to you - *laughs* if it was in my power i would make restitution to you - maybe a year's tax?
>> > >
>> > > Just teasing - but amice, rather then picking how about being proactive and begin a conversation regarding an aspect of Nova Roma?
>> > >
>> > > Vale bene
>> > >
>> > > Julia
>> > >
>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert <robert.woolwine@> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Ave!
>> > > >
>> > > > Ummm are you confused? There is a difference between sc's and scu's.
>> > > >
>> > > > Vale
>> > > >
>> > > > Sulla
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > > >
>> > > > On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:29 PM, "luciaiuliaaquila" <luciaiuliaaquila@> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Just a comment or two~
>> > > > > I apologize for being so late but I have been swamped in the macro world, but I have notes from my mobile;)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Sounds reasonable so far…
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
>> > > > >
>> > > > > There is an awful lot of work to be done, foremost is making our website secure. As long as we don't shoot our usual and become obsessive with, and possessive of, our work and keep things simple we can make our site secure. We can always add bells and whistles later.
>> > > > > I see a report to go to the Consul every four months, but what is the goal date? When can we expect this, or a part of it, to be done. It needs target dates, short term and long term. Even if we are volunteers.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Eh! Unfortunately we must put the cart before the horse, but this is missing a plan for even a projected income. Provisional it may be and it might meet a need in what is clearly a dire situation but… well I'll comment another time regarding possible projected income.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Very busy productive session but the SCUs make that possible â€" this year we will reach a phenomenal record of SCUs. Will we remember the process of Roman Law and Democracy next year? :)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Julia
>> > > > > Nasburgi Scribebat
>> > > > > prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "reenbru" <reenbru@> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > A) Item 2: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
>> > > > > > B) ITEM 2: PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012 (Item 2 SC Payments Jan 2012.pdf)
>> > > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON PAYMENTS JANUARY 2012
>> > > > > > I. The Senate approves the below specified payments to the following corporations:
>> > > > > > 1. $720.00 USD to Fredrik Consulting AB for Nova Roma web hosting 2011-09-01 to 2012-08-31
>> > > > > > 2. $245.00 USD to Ainsworth, Thelin & Raftice, P.A for services as Registered Agent
>> > > > > > II. The Senate approves reimbursement payments of all amounts expended by the consular Publius
>> > > > > > Ullerius Stephanus Venator during his consulship on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. This approval is
>> > > > > > conditional on:
>> > > > > > 1. The presentation of invoices and/or receipts, in respect of such payments made by the consular
>> > > > > > Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator, to the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) of Nova Roma, or if that
>> > > > > > position is unfilled then to the Consuls.
>> > > > > > 2. The invoices and/or receipts at II.1 being to the satisfaction of the CFO, or if that position is
>> > > > > > unfilled then to the satisfaction of the Consuls, a payment of a debt owed by Nova Roma Inc.
>> > > > > > 3. Any original invoices and/or receipts submitted for payment at II.1 must be mailed to the CFO or if
>> > > > > > that position is unfilled then to the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar. Such original invoices and/or
>> > > > > > receipts must be retained and scanned copies of each subsequently uploaded to the files section
>> > > > > > of the Senate list.
>> > > > > > III. The Senate approves expenditure of no more than $50 USD for any required mandatory filing in
>> > > > > > relation to the non-profit status of Nova Roma Inc. A confirmation post with a link to the relevant
>> > > > > > Maine State government website showing the exact amount of the filing fee shall be posted to the
>> > > > > > Senate list before such payment shall be made. Confirmation is also required that the requisite forms
>> > > > > > have been submitted. The person filing them shall post this to the Senate list. In the absence of such
>> > > > > > a link, then any other method of documentation/confirmation of the exact amount of the filing fee shall
>> > > > > > be posted to the Senate list before such payment shall be made.
>> > > > > > IV. The method of payment for the payments at I to III inclusive shall be from either:
>> > > > > > 1. Any appropriate account in the name of Nova Roma Inc. at the Bank of America, paid by cheque
>> > > > > > by signed by two authorized signatories on such account.
>> > > > > > 2. If the appropriate account at IV.1 is unavailable or inaccessible for any reason then from the Pay
>> > > > > > Pal account of Nova Roma Inc.
>> > > > > > 3. In the event that IV.b is the chosen method of payment, then the Senate authorizes Lucius
>> > > > > > Cornelius Sulla Felix to execute such a transaction.
>> > > > > > V. If any recipient of such payments at I to III inclusive does not have a corresponding Pay Pal account
>> > > > > > to receive such a payment then the Senate authorizes Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix to pay the amount
>> > > > > > required from his own funds on behalf of Nova Roma Inc. and to reimburse himself in full settlement
>> > > > > > of only that exact amount expended.
>> > > > > > VI. All other invoices and/or receipts apart from those at II.1 in respect of these payments must be dealt
>> > > > > > with by the same process at II.3
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > C) Votes
>> > > > > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS - I hope for new host as time the current one is expensive and not professional.
>> > > > > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS - though I would be more comfortable with the title of the office being used rather than the name of the person.
>> > > > > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > A) Item 3: [passed - 17 in favor, 0 opposing]
>> > > > > > B) ITEM 3: IT TASK FORCE (Item 3 SC IT Task Force_rev_1_new.pdf)
>> > > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE CREATION OF AN
>> > > > > > INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TASK FORCE
>> > > > > > I. The Senate authorizes the creation of an Information Technology Task Force (ITTF).
>> > > > > > II. The mandate of the ITTF, which it is authorized to execute to completion, shall be:
>> > > > > > 1. The recovery of full control over the user identity log in codes and passwords for all aspects of the
>> > > > > > Nova Roman website, web page and Wiki, including, but not limited to, the Censorial database
>> > > > > > tools and cista.
>> > > > > > 2. The recovery of full control over the Nova Roman Internet domain name novaroma.org and to
>> > > > > > take steps after such recovery to insure that the domain name, as well as any associated service
>> > > > > > marks, are registered under the legal name of the corporation and not to any individual member
>> > > > > > or official of Nova Roma.
>> > > > > > 3. The relocation of the Nova Roman domain to a USA based server and web host. Such a
>> > > > > > relocation must seek the most competitive dollar rate possible for the maximum amount of upload
>> > > > > > and download bandwidth, whilst providing the necessary level of technical and software support
>> > > > > > services.
>> > > > > > 4. Any necessary repairs and updates to the Nova Roman Wiki.
>> > > > > > 5. Any other information technology based issue that is identified within the existing software of the
>> > > > > > web page, Wiki and censorial database and cista, together with an evaluation of the CMS or other
>> > > > > > non-wiki web platforms.
>> > > > > > 6. The backup to a storage medium of all messages on the Nova Roman forum (aka "The Main
>> > > > > > List), all Senate lists and the censorial database.
>> > > > > > 7. A full and comprehensive investigation of the state of the current Nova Roman cista (as distinct
>> > > > > > from the votingplace.net cista) and censorial database and tools to establish whether all or any of
>> > > > > > this software needs to be:
>> > > > > > a. Repaired or altered to conform with any actual or likely security requirements of a USA based
>> > > > > > server and web host, and whether any such repair or alteration is likely to be an acceptable
>> > > > > > risk and/or cost based on:
>> > > > > > i. The degree of complexity involved to the integrity of the applications and data and the
>> > > > > > assessed danger from any such repair or alteration.
>> > > > > > ii. The length of time necessary to undertake such repairs or alterations.
>> > > > > > iii. The cost of such repairs or alterations set against the likely remaining effective lifespan of
>> > > > > > the applications and the likelihood and frequency of predicted or identified future repairs
>> > > > > > and alterations.
>> > > > > > b. Replaced due to the analysis of risk and/or cost at II.7.a
>> > > > > > 8. A full and comprehensive investigation of alternative applications in respect of any application
>> > > > > > identified by the process at II.7.b and to estimate the dollar cost of such alternatives and to:
>> > > > > > a. Report to the Senate the estimate if it is not revenue neutral expenditure and seek authority
>> > > > > > for the purchase and deployment of such alternative applications.
>> > > > > > b. Initiate the immediate design and testing of such applications only if it is revenue neutral
>> > > > > > expenditure. Upon successful conclusion of such design and testing the ITTF will take the
>> > > > > > necessary steps for the immediate deployment and use of such alternative applications.
>> > > > > > III. The ITTF shall be a committee of the Senate chaired by the consul Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, who is
>> > > > > > authorized to appoint such persons of his choosing to the committee. Such persons need not be
>> > > > > > members of the Senate and should have a required degree of technical skills and ability, with a
>> > > > > > relevant background.
>> > > > > > IV. The ITTF shall deliver, through the chair Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, a report to the Senate list every four
>> > > > > > months commencing from the date of enactment of this Senatus consultum, until such time as its
>> > > > > > mandate is completed.
>> > > > > > V. Upon completion of its mandate the ITTF shall be dissolved.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > C) Votes
>> > > > > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS - If I may be permitted: We need a functional website that can be made secure. We don't need Latin sound effects the score of Gladiator or even Ben Hur as some people have said over the years. The attraction of Nova Roma is Nova Roma itself. We do not need bells and whistles on our website. Recall what a famous Roman Censor once spoke. Look to Greece for frivolity and in decision, look to Rome for sober consideration and people who fellow the Law."
>> > > > > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *TIS* - UTI ROGAS.
>> > > > > > *DIPI* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *MMA* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *CPD* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *GPL* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *QSP* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *ATS* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *GTVG* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *GVA* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > A) Item 4: [passed - 16 in favor, 1 opposing]
>> > > > > > B) ITEM 4: BUDGET 2765 (Item 4 SC Budget 2012_rev_1_new.pdf)
>> > > > > > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE BUDGET FOR 2765 A.U.C
>> > > > > > The purpose of this Senatus consultum is to establish the Nova Roman budget for 2765 A.U.C. This is a
>> > > > > > provisional budget until full control of the bank accounts is established. The operating fund, until the accounts are
>> > > > > > recovered will be the Nova Roman PayPal account. The Senate authorizes all forecast estimated expenses up to
>> > > > > > the amounts indicated below.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > KNOWN EXPENSES $ NOTES
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Registered Agent Fee (Arrears) 245.00
>> > > > > > Web hosting (Part arrears & paid forward 2012) 720.00
>> > > > > > TOTAL 965.00
>> > > > > > FORECAST ESTIMATED EXPENSES
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Postage and Mailing Fees 60.00
>> > > > > > Directors and officers insurance 500.00
>> > > > > > Discretionary Fund 200.00
>> > > > > > General & Administrative
>> > > > > > Bank Charges 50.00
>> > > > > > Mailbox Rental 80.00
>> > > > > > QuickBooks Online 480.00
>> > > > > > Web Domain Registration - Paid for 2 years in 2010
>> > > > > > Web Hosting (01-Sep-12 to 31-Aug-12) 720.00 Will be less after relocation to USA
>> > > > > > TOTAL General & Administrative 1330.00
>> > > > > > Legal & Professional
>> > > > > > Filing Fees 50.00
>> > > > > > Records Fees 10.00
>> > > > > > Registered Agent (Annual fee) 200.00
>> > > > > > Registered Agent (Consultation fee) 150.00
>> > > > > > TOTAL Legal & Professional 410.00
>> > > > > > PayPal Fees 150.00
>> > > > > > Reimbursements 300.00 Estimated expended by consul 2011
>> > > > > > TOTAL EXPENSES 3915.00
>> > > > > > INCOME
>> > > > > > Tax 2200.00 Assuming no loss/gain on 2011 amount
>> > > > > > TOTAL INCOME 2200.00 Excludes interest, donations etc.
>> > > > > > OPERATING FUND PayPal account
>> > > > > > Payments account 2995.54
>> > > > > > Funding account 3236.63
>> > > > > > TOTAL OPERATING FUND - CURRENT 6232.17
>> > > > > > NET INCOME (1715.00)
>> > > > > > TOTAL OPERATING FUND â€" PROJECTED 4517.17
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > C) Votes
>> > > > > > *MCJ* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *SCA* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *MCGG* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *LCS* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *CEC* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *QFM* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *TGP* - UTI ROGAS
>> > > > > > *CnIC* - UTI ROGAS
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87192 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: "ITEM 1.c: Proposal to create Decuria or viri legibus scribendis
Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.

>Their job is not to advise the magistrate on the advisability, or costs/benefits of a >particular edict, Senatus consulta, or lex, but only to draft it as the magistrate wants it >drafted. There are quaestors (when we have them), magisterial scribes and accensi to >perform the role of councilors.

In my experience in Nova Roma magisterial scribes and accensi perform this duty very well. Once the lex or sc is in its final draft the only changes made are spelling or grammar corrections. They may not like what is within the edict but it is written according to the draft. I don't think a gagged staff is needed as well.

Just my opinion, one again.

Of course my fellow citizens may be very vocal about edicts, scs', scus' etcÂ….. or they should be.

Julia
Nasburgi Scribebat
prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bruno Zani <reenbru@...> wrote:
>
> A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
>  
> This is the explanation of consul Cn. Iulius Caesar to the Senatus Consultum "ITEM 1.c: Proposal to create Decuria or viri legibus scribendis".
>  
> Optime valete
> ALH
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Cn. Caesar consul sal.
>
> This is the proposal of Gaius Petronius Dexter from the January session. The goal is to create a decuria of scribes appointed by the Senate, with English as a first language, who are skilled in vocabulary and grammar. They would assist in the crafting of legislation. Clarity of language is essential. If they have a proficiency in drafting bylaws that too would be a benefit. They must be neutral. Their job is not to advise the magistrate on the advisability, or costs/benefits of a particular edict, Senatus consulta, or lex, but only to draft it as the magistrate wants it drafted. There are quaestors (when we have them), magisterial scribes and accensi to perform the role of councilors. The decuria would not be mandatory to use, but a resource.
>
> The counterpoint to this proposal was that of Gaius Cato, who suggested it be a Senatorial committee.
> After I have concluded introducing the Agenda items, I would on this item invite both Gaius Petronius and Gaius Cato to speak to their proposals again if they wish and for the House to debate both proposals. I will make a decision based on that input and my own decisions as to which I put forward as a Senatus consultum for the House to vote on.
>
> Optime valete
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87193 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: "ITEM II.a: Sarmatia"
Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.

Congratulations Sarmartia! Your success was achieved by hard work and dedication!

Julia
Nasburgi Scribebat
prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bruno Zani <reenbru@...> wrote:
>
> A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
>  
> Following are excerpts from the report from the governor of Sarmatia to consul Cn. Iulius Caesar and the Senate. They pertain to "ITEM II.a: Sarmatia", on the agenda of consul Cn. Iulius Caesar.
>  
> Optime valete
>  
> ALH
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Cn. Caesar sal.
> It is a distinct pleasure to bring to your attention certain parts of the provincial report from Sarmatia submitted to me by the governor Titus Flavius Severus, who is of course one of our tribunes. The full report will be placed in the files in respect of item II.b.
> -------------------------
> SARMATIAN REPORT KEY FACTS
> Key accomplishments:
>
> - overcoming the political crisis in the province;
> - created oppidum Aquilo;
> - created oppidum Nova Caledonia;
> - re-established reenactment community in provincia;
> - created the material basis for the local community oppidum Aquilo, oppidum Nova Caledonia;
> - created a new provincial forum;
> - started work on the basic law of the province;
> - on the basis of secondary school established Roman school (educational courses for disadvantaged children and orphans) in oppidum Aquilo;
> - successfully held III Sarmatian Days in oppidum Nova Caledonia;
> - leased premises for oppidum Aquilo, oppidum Nova Caledonia (created the offline offices).
>
> Revenue 2764 a.u.c.: - Total: 5089 USD.
> Planned budget for 2765 a.u.c.:
>
> - 4800 USD donation to the Provincia by the oppidum Aquilo;
> - 3900 USD donation to the Provincia by the oppidum Nova Caledonia;
> - 6100 USD Municipal trust grant.
>
> - Total: 14800 USD.
> -------------------------
> So what does this tell us? In part that all the vainglorious huffing and puffing of the Corvian clique as they quit Nova Roma, proclaiming we had "lost Sarmatia", was proven false. We don't "lose" provinces anyway, we lose people. People come, people go, some stay. The governor of Sarmatia and the remaining loyal citizens, ones I remind the Senate who had been vilified by Corvus and his gang, set to work to rebuild the province. Look at their achievements. Look at their plans. They met their tax obligatiosn and went on to raise these amounts.
>
> The point is also here, that under former administrations people would be advocating for a low tax rate for Sarmatia, on the basis of GDP and supposed financial pressures - yet look what these citizens have managed to raise. It is something to remember when complaints start about our ridiculously low tax rate. The Sarmatians are not picking up bottles and scrabbling for food. They are professional and dedicated citizens. When we look to what provinces can achieve this is an excellent example, of building something from the ground up. Also, they had a harder time than when Sarmatia was founded for then there was no backdrop of internal divisions of the scale we saw with Corvus.
>
> I would like to congratulate our governor of Sarmatia, Titus Flavius Severus, and his praefectus Servius Marius Paullus, both tribunes this year, and all our Sarmatian citizens, for the exceptional work undertaken to secure and hold the province of Sarmatia together, and then to produce this result in the report.
>
> Excellent work.
> Optime valete
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87194 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senatus Consultum "ITEM III.a: Tax rate formula - amendment to c
Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.

> Well, some people expect Nova Roma to give to them before they will give to Nova Roma. That would be logical if they were buying an account on World of Warcraft, or membership to a gym

Yes and so we have to create value added incentives.

>They already get what the tax is meant to defray, the cost of hosting a
webpage, of now having to pay for a cista, our corporate fees, the cost of an
accounting program.

We host a website that is given to everyone free. Stop it! It is a common business practice to allow people to join a website community for free but they do not get all the benefits of a paid membership. For example, with a paid membership, a person can post to the boards, a person can access the member's only site (that should be built into the wiki) – this does not mean the FH and the ML. One association I belong to charges about $15 a month and I have full access – I get no cut even though I am a lifelong member. Non-paying members can access some of the basic material but if they want to delve further they have to pay the membership fee. If they want to attend any of the events or purchase any items they either pay more or become a member. The Parthenon Conservancy uses this system.

I think the taxes are too low.
I like a Tier system.

This is a tough one for many reasonsÂ… We have a lot of work ahead of us.

Julia
Nasburgi Scribebat
prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bruno Zani <reenbru@...> wrote:
>
> A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritbus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
>  
> This is the explanation of consul Cn. Iulius Caesar to the Senatus Consultum "ITEM III.a: Tax rate formula - amendment to current model".  It proposes to change the current system of taxation.
>  
> Optime valete
> ALH
> -----------------------------------
>
> Cn. Caesar consul sal.
> The current system of taxation is not working. Why? Well, some people expect Nova Roma to give to them before they will give to Nova Roma. That would be logical if they were buying an account on World of Warcraft, or membership to a gym. They already get what the tax is meant to defray, the cost of hosting a webpage, of now having to pay for a cista, our corporate fees, the cost of an accounting program. We don’t have the money or the levels of growth necessary to hand out memberships to JSTOR, or scholarships. That isn’t an opinion, just cold hard facts. Equally in the budget adopted last session you can see there is no â€Å"fatâ€. Nothing to trim. It was the very base level of expenditure and we would still be in a deficit.
>
> So as I said recently now it is choice time. Reality or wildly optimistic hope that â€Å"something will turn upâ€. That is the choice for all of us here. There are no handouts waiting to be had to save us fiscally. If we do not balance the budget this year, then each year we fail to do so the amount of our reserves decreases. Eventually there will be nothing left. The more we drain the reserves the faster will come fiscal extinction. At that point we are back to handouts. At that point we are dependant on people bailing us out. That isn’t healthy. We do not want to be dependant on a few individuals for fiscal support. We were dependent on a few for IT support and look what happened. Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of how Octavius came to charge us, we were dependent on him and had to pay. That wasn’t healthy for anyone, and it gave leverage. We cannot afford for anyone here to have that sort of leverage. If they get upset do the
> lights go off? Do they cut the money supply off? Quite likely. If we go that route after spending all our liquid assets then we will have to pander to those that donate.
>
> Equally, as you know, I think the entire GDP model absurd. GDP does not relate to an individual’s ability to pay. Not everyone outside of North America is living on state benefits bereft of money. Look to Sarmatia. According the theory that under pinned the GDP formula, the Sarmatians should have been shopping at Value Village and eating roast cardboard, yet look what they raised. They are self evidently not poor. So what we endure is providing those hat can pay with a discount because they live somewhere there is a low GDP. That is GDP not GBB – gross domestic product not their gross bank balance. That has to end.
> How do we accommodate those that have just started in Nova Roma, or who have been here years but are just inactive? How do we measure that? Do we use dates of joining? Do we means test? The current structure of three tiers is not subtle enough to spare the newer citizens. Now we can simply say â€Å"You HAVE to pay $X†and charge everyone the same. The reality is people would not pay.
>
> I propose we move to a five tier system, based on the century classes.
> Class I Centuries 1 – 15
> Class II Centuries 16 – 27
> Class III Centuries 28 – 37
> Class IV Centuries 38 – 45
> Class V Centuries 46 - 50
>
> The actual amounts of payments would vary each year, based on need (as now). The point is new citizens just starting off would get the lowest rate. The first class would naturally pay the highest rate. Currently under the 3 tier model of citizen, priests/scribes and Senate/magistrates, new citizens get hit with the same rate as a citizen who has evidently started on the cursus, or is actively involved. It is insane to penalize new citizens that way. Under this model you essentially pay to play and we have to get over the mental stumbling block that we have to bribe people to stand for office by keeping the tax low. We aren’t asking for their firstborn, for currently the highest tier pays per year less than the price of four lattes. Yes I have heard the arguments about how for that we get four coffees. The answer in turn is fine, then quit. Seriously, go. Depart. Nova Roma cannot base a fiscal policy of balancing its books on trying to satisfy
> those who think it is valueless. That is a personal decision that those who make it feel, and therefore they don’t have to pay and they can go to the head count, or they can just resign. The point is for those NOTHING that we do here will ever satisfy them. Maybe some of you think that. Well, that is your right, but those of us that are left still trying to keep us fiscally afloat still have to figure out a way to keep the structure intact and bills paid.
>
> No tax system will ever satisfy some people. There can be no waiting for Nova Roma to become more â€Å"saleableâ€. We have allowed a welfare state mentality to breed in Nova Roma and have been apologetic about requiring money to keep it all going. Isn’t strange that those who find so many reasons why Nova Roma isn’t worth four lattes, or even eight to ten lattes per year, still stick around, moaning and complaining and thinking up more excuses not to pay? We have to call time on that and the message has to be clear and simple. This costs $X to run. Forget making a profit – I am talking just paying the bare essentials.
>
> We deliver the response â€Å"You think it is worthless? Not worth the tax? The gates are over there. Goodbye.â€
> If we don’t stop running this place like a charity shop, a bribery cafe, and if we don’t stop fuelling the view there is no point to this exercise that is Nova Roma, by even in here refusing to face facts and pay ourselves without the yearly hair pulling and breast beating over the tax, then is it any wonder we can’t convince others to pay? We need $3915 this year (including our arrears payments) and thereafter $2650 for the following years. That is just to break even. That doesn’t factor in inflation or unforseen expenses. So you can choose to fritter away the reserves and bring fiscal extinction closer still or we can balance the budget.
>
> Just so you can all see how my proposal would work, I have devised a spreadsheet. Essentially a calculator. You can put in the expenses, factor in if you wish a percentage decrease on last year and see what rates you have to set the tax at across the five tiers just to break even. I will send it via email, including to the Tribunes. use it. See the reality. It is simple to use. the results are crystal clear.
>
> Also I will be asking you to abolish the return of monies to provinces. This is another absurdity. Look at Sarmatia. They paid their tax revenues and went on to raise yet more. far more than the piddling amount of tax required. We need the tax to pay bills. If we have to potentially give 50% back to provinces you can double the rates after breaking even on the calculator. Additionally who is to say the 50% went to any Nova Roman events. Who is to say it was ever collected?
> Essentially we crippled ourselves three times over as we based the tax on local currencies, yet our bills have to be paid in US dollars, then we linked the tax to the GDP regardless of personal ability to pay and then on top of all that we gave 50% back! Lunacy! Utter lunacy! Some citizens paid less than half of one latte! This idiocy and pandering has to stop. We are crippling ourselves.
>
> Tax should be paid in one of three currencies. US dollars, Euros, or the Brasilian Real. Those in Europe will pay in Euros. Those in North America in USD and those in South America in the Real. Also PayPal fees have to be covered not by Nova Roma but by the citizen. If the tax is $X Nova Roma will want $X, not $X – 50 cents. They need to include enough to cover the 50 cents. If they don’t and Nova Roma doesn’t receive exactly the full amount, then their tax will not have been paid and they can go to the head count until it is. That all mounts up, and if citizen numbers increase then the loss to Nova Roma increases. Finally we need to tighten up on the late payment penalty.
>
> We have to stop apologizing for the need to pay for all of this and abasing ourselves in an apologetic manner when discussing money. Tax is tax and it has to be paid if NR is to survive. Donations can’t be relied on, sales of flags cannot, sales period are non-existent in our Macellum and our creditors wont wait for it to get off the ground (if it ever does). Paying the tax must become a yearly expectation and not some favour that people are doing Nova Roma. If they think like that then clearly they shouldn’t be here. We need to get a grip and start creating the expectation that paying the tax on time in full is the norm.
> A proposed Senatus consultum will be forthcoming based on this.
>
> Optime valete
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87195 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors - prorogations and appoi
Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.

Livia:" Marcus Minucius Audens is proposed to be
reconfirmed as a provincial governor. As far as I know he is still also a Senator in Nova Roma, while he was recently made a Senator also in ResPublica Romana.[snippedÂ…] rule stating that one could not hold
offices in both organization on pain of being expelled from NR.
Was that rule an edict that expired with the end of the year?
If so, is it now legal to hold offices in both organizations?"

Any updates on this?

Julia
Nasburgi Scribebat
prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Livia Plauta" <livia.plauta@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
> I notice with surprise that Marcus Minucius Audens is proposed to be
> reconfirmed as a provincial governor. As far as I know he is still also a
> Senator in Nova Roma, while he was recently made a Senator also in Res
> Publica Romana.
>
> Last year two NR senators were expelled for joining a "competing
> organization". I remember there was a rule stating that one could not hold
> offices in both organization on pain of being expelled from NR.
> Was that rule an edict that expired with the end of the year?
> If so, is it now legal to hold offices in both organizations?
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruno Zani" <reenbru@>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:04 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Senatus consultum "ITEM II.b: Governors - prorogations
> and appointments"
>
>
> 23. Nova Britannia - Marcus Minucius Audens # (depending on Senate vote
> province may be divided into two with Marcus Iulianus (#) as proconsul of
> one and Marcus Audens as proconsul of the other)
> (...)
> # Existing governor wishes to be prorogued - home province
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87196 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.b: Nova Roma flags - proposal for prod
Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.

Flags, eh? *smile* Well the third time's the charm right?

Julia
Nasburgi Scribebat
prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bruno Zani <reenbru@...> wrote:
>
> A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritibus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
>  
> The Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.b: Nova Roma flags - proposal for production and sale" is a companion to the  other SC on a Nova Roman seal,  proposed to consul Cn. Iulius Caesar by senator Ti. Galerius Paulinus The link below contains examples of the existing flag. Optime valete
> ALH
>  
> ------------------------------------------
>  
> Cn .Caesar consul sal.
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus will speak to this item.
> Reference this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SenatusRomanus/photos/album/0/list
> Optime valete
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87197 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.


The discussion about finances, taxes and profits brought to mind a few questions. And comments.
I keep hearing we don't have a product to "sell" - no value added incentive to encourage people to pay their taxes.
In the past we did have a value added incentive. We had vision. We had dreams that varied from citizen to citizen as to how NR would impact their lives. Many of us thought we might someday be living as New Romans in a New Roman community – and that meant something different to each citizen.
That idea of community varied vastly from individual to individual. A few hold out that this could still be a reality. Some were, and are, happy to practice and incorporate Romanitas in their own lives. Some were, and are, weekend reconstructionists.
But we all, well most, had that vision for NR whether or not we lived in a physical Nova Roma.

We were so busy skirmishing that few thought to look to the future and those that had their proposals die in infancy, never to take the first breath.

After being in Nova Roma for a short while I was told by a very good friend:
"Nova Roma eats her own."
I've seen it so many times in the past I have lost count. Nova Roma has feasted well at that smorgasbord.

So now here we stand almost back at square one, rebuilding our foundation and yet we still do not have a goal that we can all agree on.

It's not good enough to say we can save the profits. Personally I think a small membership fee should accompany each application – it will have more value to the applicant. We have to have a definitive plan and a specific tangible goal(s) for the profit.

That is value added incentive.

I ask each of my fellow citizens what does Nova Roma mean to you?
What is your goal in Nova Roma?
Where would you like to see her in 10 years?

We have to contemplate those questions.
Because first we have to know just what it is we want, then decide what is realistic, then set goals that will benefit from the profit.


Julia
Nasburgi Scribebat
prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
>
> It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel something odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of death.
>
> Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and the magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions than to speak on the main list.
>
> My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment we have Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the agenda of the current meeting. They have given you too the results of the votes in the last meeting of January. I ask you to read the Tribune report. I want to hear your advices in this Forum. More we will have debates and discusses more we will be able to find solutions fair towards each of us.
>
> A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to pay the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less citizens every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of the last years. The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you may know it in reading the tribune's report.
>
> My opinion is:
> More we will be, less we will pay.
>
> Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the citizens, called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the citizenship must have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est $2,00 per month.
>
> So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370 free of taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova Roma will have $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
>
> As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your citizenship tax, we must make it lower.
>
> As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495 citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
>
> Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of Nova Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You have the right to freely speak. Use it.
>
> Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully interested in Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues? Do you share the dream to make it a reality?
>
> Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
> and make it your!
>
> Optime valete.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87198 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-20
Subject: Re: Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.b: Nova Roma flags - proposal for prod
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> I am glad to see that SOMEONE is commenting on these SC and whatnot, for
> many are extremely important. This one, however, which might have provided
> one of those incentives you mentioned, has been withdrawn.
>
>
>
> Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> Flags, eh? *smile* Well the third time's the charm right?
>
> ATS: No such luck; this proposal has been withdrawn.
>
> Julia
> Nasburgi Scribebat
> prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , Bruno
> Zani <reenbru@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritibus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit
>> >  
>> > The Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.b: Nova Roma flags - proposal for production
>> and sale" is a companion to the  other SC on a Nova Roman seal,  proposed to
>> consul Cn. Iulius Caesar by senator Ti. Galerius Paulinus The link below
>> contains examples of the existing flag. Optime valete
>> > ALH
>> >  
>> > ------------------------------------------
>> >  
>> > Cn .Caesar consul sal.
>> > Ti. Galerius Paulinus will speak to this item.
>> > Reference this link:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SenatusRomanus/photos/album/0/list
>> > Optime valete
>> >




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87199 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Nova Roma means the world to me. Someone's got to do it. Appreciated
The use of words has implications. NO ONE LIKES PAYING TAXES.
 
It is reasonable to tax territory, land, infrastructure, buildings for brick & mortar structures.

The money I give to Nova Roma is intended as donations, gifts, tithes, offerings.

Like the Muslims who are still grappling how to treat non-conformists, it took us Romans hundreds of years before we developed a free society - free from death.

My suggestion: 1) No sign up fee OR an optional token sign of fee of say - $4.00 or donation; 2) quarterly or bi-annual fund drives (like Wikipedia) in addition to daily donations opportunities; 3) sell some items, like t-shirts, golden laurel leaf head bands, calendars, etc, things Romans want; 4) use the word TAX as a voluntary means of fund raising - because - those like myself oppose further taxation - after all, aren't we descendants of one Caesar/Emperor or another not subject to "TAXES"?

Cordially,
Ti. Marci Quadra


________________________________
From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.


 
Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.

The discussion about finances, taxes and profits brought to mind a few questions. And comments.
I keep hearing we don't have a product to "sell" - no value added incentive to encourage people to pay their taxes.
In the past we did have a value added incentive. We had vision. We had dreams that varied from citizen to citizen as to how NR would impact their lives. Many of us thought we might someday be living as New Romans in a New Roman community – and that meant something different to each citizen.
That idea of community varied vastly from individual to individual. A few hold out that this could still be a reality. Some were, and are, happy to practice and incorporate Romanitas in their own lives. Some were, and are, weekend reconstructionists.
But we all, well most, had that vision for NR whether or not we lived in a physical Nova Roma.

We were so busy skirmishing that few thought to look to the future and those that had their proposals die in infancy, never to take the first breath.

After being in Nova Roma for a short while I was told by a very good friend:
"Nova Roma eats her own."
I've seen it so many times in the past I have lost count. Nova Roma has feasted well at that smorgasbord.

So now here we stand almost back at square one, rebuilding our foundation and yet we still do not have a goal that we can all agree on.

It's not good enough to say we can save the profits. Personally I think a small membership fee should accompany each application – it will have more value to the applicant. We have to have a definitive plan and a specific tangible goal(s) for the profit.

That is value added incentive.

I ask each of my fellow citizens what does Nova Roma mean to you?
What is your goal in Nova Roma?
Where would you like to see her in 10 years?

We have to contemplate those questions.
Because first we have to know just what it is we want, then decide what is realistic, then set goals that will benefit from the profit.

Julia
Nasburgi Scribebat
prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
>
> It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel something odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of death.
>
> Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and the magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions than to speak on the main list.
>
> My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment we have Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the agenda of the current meeting. They have given you too the results of the votes in the last meeting of January. I ask you to read the Tribune report. I want to hear your advices in this Forum. More we will have debates and discusses more we will be able to find solutions fair towards each of us.
>
> A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to pay the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less citizens every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of the last years. The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you may know it in reading the tribune's report.
>
> My opinion is:
> More we will be, less we will pay.
>
> Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the citizens, called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the citizenship must have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est $2,00 per month.
>
> So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370 free of taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova Roma will have $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
>
> As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your citizenship tax, we must make it lower.
>
> As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495 citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
>
> Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of Nova Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You have the right to freely speak. Use it.
>
> Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully interested in Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues? Do you share the dream to make it a reality?
>
> Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
> and make it your!
>
> Optime valete.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat
> XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87200 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.b: Nova Roma flags - proposal for prod
Salvete The reason the flag issue has been withdrawn is because I am still waiting for current prices. As soon as that information is available the proposal to make X number of Nova Roma flags, 12 inches by 18 inches will be presented. Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: fororom@...
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:58:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.b: Nova Roma flags - proposal for production and sale"




























>

> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

>

> I am glad to see that SOMEONE is commenting on these SC and whatnot, for

> many are extremely important. This one, however, which might have provided

> one of those incentives you mentioned, has been withdrawn.

>

>

>

> Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.

>

> Flags, eh? *smile* Well the third time's the charm right?

>

> ATS: No such luck; this proposal has been withdrawn.

>

> Julia

> Nasburgi Scribebat

> prid. Id. Feb � Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. � MMDCCLXV

>

> Vale, et valete.

>

>

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , Bruno

> Zani <reenbru@...> wrote:

>> >

>> > A. Liburnius Hadrianus Quiritibus omnibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit

>> >

>> > The Senatus Consultum "ITEM V.b: Nova Roma flags - proposal for production

>> and sale" is a companion to the other SC on a Nova Roman seal, proposed to

>> consul Cn. Iulius Caesar by senator Ti. Galerius Paulinus The link below

>> contains examples of the existing flag. Optime valete

>> > ALH

>> >

>> > ------------------------------------------

>> >

>> > Cn .Caesar consul sal.

>> > Ti. Galerius Paulinus will speak to this item.

>> > Reference this link:

>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SenatusRomanus/photos/album/0/list

>> > Optime valete

>> >



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87202 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: a.d. IX Kal. Mar. - THE FERALIA
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem IX Kalendas Martias; hic dies fastus publicus est.

"And the grave must be honoured. Appease your fathers'
Spirits, and bring little gifts to the tombs you built.
Their shades ask little, piety they prefer to costly
Offerings: no greedy deities haunt the Stygian depths.
A tile wreathed round with garlands offered is enough,
A scattering of meal, and a few grains of salt,
And bread soaked in wine, and loose violets:
Set them on a brick left in the middle of the path...
And hide the gods, closing those revealing temple doors,
Let the altars be free of incense, the hearths without fire.
Now ghostly spirits and the entombed dead wander,
Now the shadow feeds on the nourishment that's offered.
But it only lasts till there are no more days in the month
Than the feet that my metres possess.
This day they call the Feralia because they bear [ferunt]
Offerings to the dead: the last day to propitiate the shades." - Ovid,
Fasti II


Today is the celebration of the Feralia, ending the Parentalia, and is
held in honor of Iuppiter Feretrius and the infernal powers.
"Feretrius" is one of Iuppiter's titles, and in this capacity Iuppiter
was called upon to witness the signing of contracts and marriages. An
oath was taken that asked Iuppiter to strike down the person if they
swore the oath falsely. Spirits (manes) of the dead were said to
hover above graves on this day, and provisions were put out for them.
Some sources believe that the Roman contact with the Celtic
observances of a feast of the dead combined to create the foundations
of the holiday we now celebrate as All Hallows' Eve, or Hallowe'en.
Today is the last day of the Roman year in which to placate ghosts;
tomorrow, the living are appeased. Today the temples would be opened
at noon, and the time of religious devotion, the "tempus religiosum",
came to a close. Magistrates would lay down their insignia of office
and offer up prayers on behalf of the State.

The mysterious meaning of "FP" may have its roots in the observance of
the Feralia as a "fastus (or 'feria') publicus" during the Republic;
Republican calendars are marked with "FP" for this day, but after
Augustus they are marked simply "F", for "fastus". Because the actual
rites involved in the observance of the Feralia can only be guessed
at, we do not know why this change was made.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87203 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Observance of the Feralia
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Although not a member of any priestly college or holding any sacred office per
se, I ask - a suggestion only - that we remember and observe the Feralia today.

No magistrate used their office in any way - in fact they laid down their
insignia of office - and instead prayers were offered for the health and
well-being of the State, beginning at noon.

I would like to take this moment to encourage us to turn again to the root and foundation of the Respublica; not just the law in all its splendor but the pax deorum, the relationship we have as a community - the People and Senate - with the divine.

Tomorrow is observed by the Western Christian Church (and in the Eastern Church next Monday) as the beginning of a time of reflection, introspection, and self-examination. For the ancient Romans, as you have noticed by the calendar postings, Februarius was a month also of reflection and focus on the interaction of the living, the dead, and the gods.

For ancient cultures, the time of the waning of Winter into the rebirth of life in Spring was the most serious and joyful time of the year, for the Romans even more so than the Saturnalia's time of light and merriment in the midst of gloomy days.

As the Senate of Nova Roma has been considering and debating major steps in revivifying our material existence, I ask us all to take a moment to think about our spiritual one.

Valete bene in pax divinum,

Cato

Valete bene,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87204 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
I am very disappointed with my Nova Roma experience. There is a lack
solidarity and humor here.

Weren�t the Aediles responsible for public festivals? Where are the
organized meet ups or celebrations?

What is it with this non existent online chariot racing I�m supposed to
be getting excited over? Why not just meet up at the OTB or race track
and each color back a horse and pool their bets? Or just watch the
Belmont Stakes or Preakness on TV and do the same thing? That will make
things more interesting.

I fail to understand why there isn�t a real forum site with posting
boards and chat rooms for us to get to. We could all watch a TV show
together and post in real time, etc. And chatting, like language
immersion, will get our Latin acumen up. Yahoo mail is the best free
mail out there, but their groups are ugly and clumsy. It�s not that
expensive. Nova Roma without it�s own online FORUM, how ironic.

I�d be reluctant to pay �taxes� until I see some value in this, but why
you aren�t selling hats, flags, rings, jewelry, clothing with Nova Roma
branding is inconceivable. I�d buy a ton of that stuff.

I am timid about posting with the humorless Tullia Scholastica floating
out there waiting to pounce upon any incorrect Latin with large font
graffiti style postings. So if I don�t have time to translate a quick
joke or something of interest properly I just don�t post it. Learn how
to use the line out and highlight function Tullia, it�ll make your
ceaseless fortitude more readable.

Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be.


Vale, et valete,

D. Mento



On 2/20/2012 11:16 PM, luciaiuliaaquila wrote:
>
> Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> The discussion about finances, taxes and profits brought to mind a few
> questions. And comments.
> I keep hearing we don't have a product to "sell" - no value added
> incentive to encourage people to pay their taxes.
> In the past we did have a value added incentive. We had vision. We had
> dreams that varied from citizen to citizen as to how NR would impact
> their lives. Many of us thought we might someday be living as New
> Romans in a New Roman community � and that meant something different
> to each citizen.
> That idea of community varied vastly from individual to individual. A
> few hold out that this could still be a reality. Some were, and are,
> happy to practice and incorporate Romanitas in their own lives. Some
> were, and are, weekend reconstructionists.
> But we all, well most, had that vision for NR whether or not we lived
> in a physical Nova Roma.
>
> We were so busy skirmishing that few thought to look to the future and
> those that had their proposals die in infancy, never to take the first
> breath.
>
> After being in Nova Roma for a short while I was told by a very good
> friend:
> "Nova Roma eats her own."
> I've seen it so many times in the past I have lost count. Nova Roma
> has feasted well at that smorgasbord.
>
> So now here we stand almost back at square one, rebuilding our
> foundation and yet we still do not have a goal that we can all agree on.
>
> It's not good enough to say we can save the profits. Personally I
> think a small membership fee should accompany each application � it
> will have more value to the applicant. We have to have a definitive
> plan and a specific tangible goal(s) for the profit.
>
> That is value added incentive.
>
> I ask each of my fellow citizens what does Nova Roma mean to you?
> What is your goal in Nova Roma?
> Where would you like to see her in 10 years?
>
> We have to contemplate those questions.
> Because first we have to know just what it is we want, then decide
> what is realistic, then set goals that will benefit from the profit.
>
> Julia
> Nasburgi Scribebat
> prid. Id. Feb � Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. � MMDCCLXV
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
> >
> > It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel
> something odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of
> death.
> >
> > Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and
> the magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions
> than to speak on the main list.
> >
> > My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment
> we have Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the
> agenda of the current meeting. They have given you too the results of
> the votes in the last meeting of January. I ask you to read the
> Tribune report. I want to hear your advices in this Forum. More we
> will have debates and discusses more we will be able to find solutions
> fair towards each of us.
> >
> > A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to
> pay the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less
> citizens every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of
> the last years. The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you
> may know it in reading the tribune's report.
> >
> > My opinion is:
> > More we will be, less we will pay.
> >
> > Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the
> citizens, called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the
> citizenship must have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est
> $2,00 per month.
> >
> > So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370
> free of taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova
> Roma will have $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
> >
> > As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your
> citizenship tax, we must make it lower.
> >
> > As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495
> citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
> >
> > Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of
> Nova Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You
> have the right to freely speak. Use it.
> >
> > Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully
> interested in Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues?
> Do you share the dream to make it a reality?
> >
> > Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
> > and make it your!
> >
> > Optime valete.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87205 From: Robert Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Ave,

Most of us just ignore Scholastica. Join the club!

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 21, 2012, at 8:51 AM, "D. Cornelius Mento" <decimuscorneliusmento@...> wrote:

> I am very disappointed with my Nova Roma experience. There is a lack
> solidarity and humor here.
>
> Weren�t the Aediles responsible for public festivals? Where are the
> organized meet ups or celebrations?
>
> What is it with this non existent online chariot racing I�m supposed to
> be getting excited over? Why not just meet up at the OTB or race track
> and each color back a horse and pool their bets? Or just watch the
> Belmont Stakes or Preakness on TV and do the same thing? That will make
> things more interesting.
>
> I fail to understand why there isn�t a real forum site with posting
> boards and chat rooms for us to get to. We could all watch a TV show
> together and post in real time, etc. And chatting, like language
> immersion, will get our Latin acumen up. Yahoo mail is the best free
> mail out there, but their groups are ugly and clumsy. It�s not that
> expensive. Nova Roma without it�s own online FORUM, how ironic.
>
> I�d be reluctant to pay �taxes� until I see some value in this, but why
> you aren�t selling hats, flags, rings, jewelry, clothing with Nova Roma
> branding is inconceivable. I�d buy a ton of that stuff.
>
> I am timid about posting with the humorless Tullia Scholastica floating
> out there waiting to pounce upon any incorrect Latin with large font
> graffiti style postings. So if I don�t have time to translate a quick
> joke or something of interest properly I just don�t post it. Learn how
> to use the line out and highlight function Tullia, it�ll make your
> ceaseless fortitude more readable.
>
> Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be.
>
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> D. Mento
>
>
>
> On 2/20/2012 11:16 PM, luciaiuliaaquila wrote:
>>
>> Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
>>
>> The discussion about finances, taxes and profits brought to mind a few
>> questions. And comments.
>> I keep hearing we don't have a product to "sell" - no value added
>> incentive to encourage people to pay their taxes.
>> In the past we did have a value added incentive. We had vision. We had
>> dreams that varied from citizen to citizen as to how NR would impact
>> their lives. Many of us thought we might someday be living as New
>> Romans in a New Roman community � and that meant something different
>> to each citizen.
>> That idea of community varied vastly from individual to individual. A
>> few hold out that this could still be a reality. Some were, and are,
>> happy to practice and incorporate Romanitas in their own lives. Some
>> were, and are, weekend reconstructionists.
>> But we all, well most, had that vision for NR whether or not we lived
>> in a physical Nova Roma.
>>
>> We were so busy skirmishing that few thought to look to the future and
>> those that had their proposals die in infancy, never to take the first
>> breath.
>>
>> After being in Nova Roma for a short while I was told by a very good
>> friend:
>> "Nova Roma eats her own."
>> I've seen it so many times in the past I have lost count. Nova Roma
>> has feasted well at that smorgasbord.
>>
>> So now here we stand almost back at square one, rebuilding our
>> foundation and yet we still do not have a goal that we can all agree on.
>>
>> It's not good enough to say we can save the profits. Personally I
>> think a small membership fee should accompany each application � it
>> will have more value to the applicant. We have to have a definitive
>> plan and a specific tangible goal(s) for the profit.
>>
>> That is value added incentive.
>>
>> I ask each of my fellow citizens what does Nova Roma mean to you?
>> What is your goal in Nova Roma?
>> Where would you like to see her in 10 years?
>>
>> We have to contemplate those questions.
>> Because first we have to know just what it is we want, then decide
>> what is realistic, then set goals that will benefit from the profit.
>>
>> Julia
>> Nasburgi Scribebat
>> prid. Id. Feb � Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. � MMDCCLXV
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
>>>
>>> It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel
>> something odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of
>> death.
>>>
>>> Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and
>> the magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions
>> than to speak on the main list.
>>>
>>> My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment
>> we have Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the
>> agenda of the current meeting. They have given you too the results of
>> the votes in the last meeting of January. I ask you to read the
>> Tribune report. I want to hear your advices in this Forum. More we
>> will have debates and discusses more we will be able to find solutions
>> fair towards each of us.
>>>
>>> A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to
>> pay the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less
>> citizens every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of
>> the last years. The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you
>> may know it in reading the tribune's report.
>>>
>>> My opinion is:
>>> More we will be, less we will pay.
>>>
>>> Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the
>> citizens, called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the
>> citizenship must have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est
>> $2,00 per month.
>>>
>>> So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370
>> free of taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova
>> Roma will have $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
>>>
>>> As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your
>> citizenship tax, we must make it lower.
>>>
>>> As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495
>> citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
>>>
>>> Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of
>> Nova Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You
>> have the right to freely speak. Use it.
>>>
>>> Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully
>> interested in Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues?
>> Do you share the dream to make it a reality?
>>>
>>> Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
>>> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
>>> and make it your!
>>>
>>> Optime valete.
>>>
>>> C. Petronius Dexter
>>> Arcoiali scribebat
>>> XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87206 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: Senate voting result for the session of January 2012 - part 3 of
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia L. Iuliae Aquilae Omnibusque S.P.D.

<snippage for brevity>

With respect Julia, where were those handful of citizens you refer to in
December, when there was a call for candidates?


Valete Optime,
Aeternia


On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM, luciaiuliaaquila <
luciaiuliaaquila@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
>
> >SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE APPOINTMENT OF CURULE AEDILE
> > SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE APPOINTMENT OF CUSTODES
>
> We had eleven months left in the positions filled by appointees. I have no
> doubt those standing would have won in election, the individuals are not in
> question.
> However this action silenced the voice of the citizens in this matter - of
> the choice of who will represent them in the next 11 months.
>
> This is my opinion. I respect others for theirs as well however I do not
> agree with the reasoning. Putting on the Ludi is not enough of a reason, a
> call for help would have brought out a handful of citizens I can think of
> who would have done so for the love of NR, without being appointed a
> magistracy. And we could have still had an election.
>
> That, amici, is a value added incentive � better than a pen, pin or
> certificate. The ability to affect and be a part of change. Remember that
> term, value added incentive, it will serve the Respublica in the long run.
>
> I only ask that we watch carefully in the future our decisions because
> they contribute to the evolution of a culture and it is very hard to turn
> back evolution.
> There must be a concerted effort so Nova Roma will not acculturate into
> the same experience of our macro lives (modern Romans) and we will continue
> the hard work of the Respublica since its inception.
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87207 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Joke re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You?.
C. Petronius Quiritibus salutem,

For those who think that there is a lack of humour in Nova Roma, I may show them that we have in Nova Roma a special time machine.

This mail "What does Nova Roma Mean to You?" of Julia Aquila is an answer to mine. "De Foro Romano".

I posted mine on (quotation on the bottom of my post):

> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.

The day a. d. XII Kal. Mart. = 18 February.

The answer of Julia Aquila is dated according to the botton of her post:

> Julia
> Nasburgi Scribebat
> prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV

The day pridie Idus Februarias = 12 February.

Then, Julia answered the 12 February to my post of the 19 February!
I knew that in Arcoilum I have 7 hours more than Julia in Nasburgum but I did not know such days difference. :o)

This notice is just a joke that permitted the particular use of the Roman calendar by Julia and, obviously, does not diminish the deep of the thoughts of Julia that she wrote and shared with us in her post.

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. IX Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87208 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Ecce!




On 2/21/2012 11:26 AM, Robert wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> Most of us just ignore Scholastica. Join the club!
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87209 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: Joke re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You?.
C. Maria Caeca C. Petronio Dextero, L. Julia Aquila, C. Cornelio Mento omnibusque in foro S. P. D.

Uh Oh! It's not nice to mess with Mother Nature *or* the space/time continuum! Next, we will be rearranging history!

Anyone on here old enough to remember where the first part of this comment came from? Hint: think TV commercials, LOL!!

Valete bene!
CMC

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87210 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: Joke re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You?.
Chiffon Margarine commercials.



On 2/21/2012 1:11 PM, C. Maria Caeca wrote:
>
> C. Maria Caeca C. Petronio Dextero, L. Julia Aquila, C. Cornelio Mento
> omnibusque in foro S. P. D.
>
> Uh Oh! It's not nice to mess with Mother Nature *or* the space/time
> continuum! Next, we will be rearranging history!
>
> Anyone on here old enough to remember where the first part of this
> comment came from? Hint: think TV commercials, LOL!!
>
> Valete bene!
> CMC
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87211 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: Joke re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You?.
Iulia Mariae Petronio Mentoni omnibusque sal. 

I have one thing to say to all of you - taking advantage of my limited resources and picking on me;):

ECCE!!!
(a positive exclamation)

Laissez bon temps rouler!
(let the good times roll)

Valete bene

Julia

Sent from somewhere in the universe

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "D. Cornelius Mento" <decimuscorneliusmento@...> wrote:
>
> Chiffon Margarine commercials.
>
>
>
> On 2/21/2012 1:11 PM, C. Maria Caeca wrote:
> >
> > C. Maria Caeca C. Petronio Dextero, L. Julia Aquila, C. Cornelio Mento
> > omnibusque in foro S. P. D.
> >
> > Uh Oh! It's not nice to mess with Mother Nature *or* the space/time
> > continuum! Next, we will be rearranging history!
> >
> > Anyone on here old enough to remember where the first part of this
> > comment came from? Hint: think TV commercials, LOL!!
> >
> > Valete bene!
> > CMC
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87212 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
A. Tullia Scholastica D. Cornelio Mentoni quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

> I am very disappointed with my Nova Roma experience. There is a lack
> solidarity and humor here.

Oh, it's there--but perhaps not obvious on the ML.
>
> Weren�t the Aediles responsible for public festivals? Where are the
> organized meet ups or celebrations?

Geography seems to prevent much of that. We used to have conventions,
and may yet have one this year.
>
> What is it with this non existent online chariot racing I�m supposed to
> be getting excited over? Why not just meet up at the OTB or race track
> and each color back a horse and pool their bets? Or just watch the
> Belmont Stakes or Preakness on TV and do the same thing? That will make
> things more interesting.

Our ludi can be quite entertaining. They have not yet begun, so please
give it a chance.
>
> I fail to understand why there isn�t a real forum site with posting
> boards and chat rooms for us to get to.

Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have
time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we receive
the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room, but it seems
only one person showed up, and it does take two or more to have a
conversation--outside of the loony bin, anyway.


>We could all watch a TV show
> together and post in real time, etc. And chatting, like language
> immersion, will get our Latin acumen up. Yahoo mail is the best free
> mail out there, but their groups are ugly and clumsy. It�s not that
> expensive. Nova Roma without it�s own online FORUM, how ironic.
>
> I�d be reluctant to pay �taxes� until I see some value in this, but why
> you aren�t selling hats, flags, rings, jewelry, clothing with Nova Roma
> branding is inconceivable. I�d buy a ton of that stuff.

We have done so, and are working on a flag. A ring may still be
available. I believe we have also had T-shirts and sweatshirts. Give it a
chance; our numbers have been greatly reduced.
>
> I am timid about posting with the humorless Tullia Scholastica floating
> out there waiting to pounce upon any incorrect Latin with large font
> graffiti style postings.

I regret to inform you that I am not humorless; in fact, quite the
opposite is true. Latin which is incorrect cannot be understood; as a
highly inflected Indo-European language, Latin (Greek, Sanskrit, German,
Russian...) depends on suffixes to convey meaning, and those suffixes must
be correct. I tell my Grammatica students that Latin words are modest and
do not go out in public without g-strings and pasties at a minimum; they
have to add a lot more at times so that they can go out and interact with
other Latin words.

Mento, some of us cannot read size 6 fonts any more than we can get into
size 6 (or 6X) clothing. Yahoo alters the font size in transit upon
occasion, and many of us appreciate size 16 or 18 or more. Some of my
students write in size 72. Be grateful for small favors, and learn to
respect your elders and others with visual defects.

> So if I don�t have time to translate a quick
> joke or something of interest properly I just don�t post it. Learn how
> to use the line out and highlight function Tullia, it�ll make your
> ceaseless fortitude more readable.

Sorry, but my system does not do such things. Why don't you pick up a
copy of Wheelock and learn proper Latin? We support its use, but when it is
mangled, it is totally incomprehensible.
>
> Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be.

You might want to contribute meaningfully to NR to make it more pleasing
to you. Ecce is not the way to do that, nor is mangled Latin.
>
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> D. Mento

Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
> On 2/20/2012 11:16 PM, luciaiuliaaquila wrote:
>>
>> Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
>>
>> The discussion about finances, taxes and profits brought to mind a few
>> questions. And comments.
>> I keep hearing we don't have a product to "sell" - no value added
>> incentive to encourage people to pay their taxes.
>> In the past we did have a value added incentive. We had vision. We had
>> dreams that varied from citizen to citizen as to how NR would impact
>> their lives. Many of us thought we might someday be living as New
>> Romans in a New Roman community � and that meant something different
>> to each citizen.
>> That idea of community varied vastly from individual to individual. A
>> few hold out that this could still be a reality. Some were, and are,
>> happy to practice and incorporate Romanitas in their own lives. Some
>> were, and are, weekend reconstructionists.
>> But we all, well most, had that vision for NR whether or not we lived
>> in a physical Nova Roma.
>>
>> We were so busy skirmishing that few thought to look to the future and
>> those that had their proposals die in infancy, never to take the first
>> breath.
>>
>> After being in Nova Roma for a short while I was told by a very good
>> friend:
>> "Nova Roma eats her own."
>> I've seen it so many times in the past I have lost count. Nova Roma
>> has feasted well at that smorgasbord.
>>
>> So now here we stand almost back at square one, rebuilding our
>> foundation and yet we still do not have a goal that we can all agree on.
>>
>> It's not good enough to say we can save the profits. Personally I
>> think a small membership fee should accompany each application � it
>> will have more value to the applicant. We have to have a definitive
>> plan and a specific tangible goal(s) for the profit.
>>
>> That is value added incentive.
>>
>> I ask each of my fellow citizens what does Nova Roma mean to you?
>> What is your goal in Nova Roma?
>> Where would you like to see her in 10 years?
>>
>> We have to contemplate those questions.
>> Because first we have to know just what it is we want, then decide
>> what is realistic, then set goals that will benefit from the profit.
>>
>> Julia
>> Nasburgi Scribebat
>> prid. Id. Feb � Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. � MMDCCLXV
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
>>>
>>> It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel
>> something odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of
>> death.
>>>
>>> Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and
>> the magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions
>> than to speak on the main list.
>>>
>>> My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment
>> we have Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the
>> agenda of the current meeting. They have given you too the results of
>> the votes in the last meeting of January. I ask you to read the
>> Tribune report. I want to hear your advices in this Forum. More we
>> will have debates and discusses more we will be able to find solutions
>> fair towards each of us.
>>>
>>> A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to
>> pay the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less
>> citizens every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of
>> the last years. The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you
>> may know it in reading the tribune's report.
>>>
>>> My opinion is:
>>> More we will be, less we will pay.
>>>
>>> Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the
>> citizens, called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the
>> citizenship must have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est
>> $2,00 per month.
>>>
>>> So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370
>> free of taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova
>> Roma will have $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
>>>
>>> As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your
>> citizenship tax, we must make it lower.
>>>
>>> As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495
>> citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
>>>
>>> Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of
>> Nova Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You
>> have the right to freely speak. Use it.
>>>
>>> Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully
>> interested in Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues?
>> Do you share the dream to make it a reality?
>>>
>>> Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
>>> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
>>> and make it your!
>>>
>>> Optime valete.
>>>
>>> C. Petronius Dexter
>>> Arcoiali scribebat
>>> XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
>>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87213 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Salvete http://www.eaglerings.com/SPQR_Ring.htm Here is the Nova Roman ring that has been on sale for a number of years. We will be ordering a new run of Nova Roman flags and maybe tee shirts soon. Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> CC: luciaiuliaaquila@...
> From: decimuscorneliusmento@...
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:51:55 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
>
> I am very disappointed with my Nova Roma experience. There is a lack
> solidarity and humor here.
>
> Weren�t the Aediles responsible for public festivals? Where are the
> organized meet ups or celebrations?
>
> What is it with this non existent online chariot racing I�m supposed to
> be getting excited over? Why not just meet up at the OTB or race track
> and each color back a horse and pool their bets? Or just watch the
> Belmont Stakes or Preakness on TV and do the same thing? That will make
> things more interesting.
>
> I fail to understand why there isn�t a real forum site with posting
> boards and chat rooms for us to get to. We could all watch a TV show
> together and post in real time, etc. And chatting, like language
> immersion, will get our Latin acumen up. Yahoo mail is the best free
> mail out there, but their groups are ugly and clumsy. It�s not that
> expensive. Nova Roma without it�s own online FORUM, how ironic.
>
> I�d be reluctant to pay �taxes� until I see some value in this, but why
> you aren�t selling hats, flags, rings, jewelry, clothing with Nova Roma
> branding is inconceivable. I�d buy a ton of that stuff.
>
> I am timid about posting with the humorless Tullia Scholastica floating
> out there waiting to pounce upon any incorrect Latin with large font
> graffiti style postings. So if I don�t have time to translate a quick
> joke or something of interest properly I just don�t post it. Learn how
> to use the line out and highlight function Tullia, it�ll make your
> ceaseless fortitude more readable.
>
> Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be.
>
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> D. Mento
>
>
>
> On 2/20/2012 11:16 PM, luciaiuliaaquila wrote:
> >
> > Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
> >
> > The discussion about finances, taxes and profits brought to mind a few
> > questions. And comments.
> > I keep hearing we don't have a product to "sell" - no value added
> > incentive to encourage people to pay their taxes.
> > In the past we did have a value added incentive. We had vision. We had
> > dreams that varied from citizen to citizen as to how NR would impact
> > their lives. Many of us thought we might someday be living as New
> > Romans in a New Roman community � and that meant something different
> > to each citizen.
> > That idea of community varied vastly from individual to individual. A
> > few hold out that this could still be a reality. Some were, and are,
> > happy to practice and incorporate Romanitas in their own lives. Some
> > were, and are, weekend reconstructionists.
> > But we all, well most, had that vision for NR whether or not we lived
> > in a physical Nova Roma.
> >
> > We were so busy skirmishing that few thought to look to the future and
> > those that had their proposals die in infancy, never to take the first
> > breath.
> >
> > After being in Nova Roma for a short while I was told by a very good
> > friend:
> > "Nova Roma eats her own."
> > I've seen it so many times in the past I have lost count. Nova Roma
> > has feasted well at that smorgasbord.
> >
> > So now here we stand almost back at square one, rebuilding our
> > foundation and yet we still do not have a goal that we can all agree on.
> >
> > It's not good enough to say we can save the profits. Personally I
> > think a small membership fee should accompany each application � it
> > will have more value to the applicant. We have to have a definitive
> > plan and a specific tangible goal(s) for the profit.
> >
> > That is value added incentive.
> >
> > I ask each of my fellow citizens what does Nova Roma mean to you?
> > What is your goal in Nova Roma?
> > Where would you like to see her in 10 years?
> >
> > We have to contemplate those questions.
> > Because first we have to know just what it is we want, then decide
> > what is realistic, then set goals that will benefit from the profit.
> >
> > Julia
> > Nasburgi Scribebat
> > prid. Id. Feb � Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. � MMDCCLXV
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
> > >
> > > It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel
> > something odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of
> > death.
> > >
> > > Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and
> > the magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions
> > than to speak on the main list.
> > >
> > > My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment
> > we have Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the
> > agenda of the current meeting. They have given you too the results of
> > the votes in the last meeting of January. I ask you to read the
> > Tribune report. I want to hear your advices in this Forum. More we
> > will have debates and discusses more we will be able to find solutions
> > fair towards each of us.
> > >
> > > A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to
> > pay the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less
> > citizens every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of
> > the last years. The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you
> > may know it in reading the tribune's report.
> > >
> > > My opinion is:
> > > More we will be, less we will pay.
> > >
> > > Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the
> > citizens, called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the
> > citizenship must have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est
> > $2,00 per month.
> > >
> > > So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370
> > free of taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova
> > Roma will have $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
> > >
> > > As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your
> > citizenship tax, we must make it lower.
> > >
> > > As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495
> > citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
> > >
> > > Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of
> > Nova Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You
> > have the right to freely speak. Use it.
> > >
> > > Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully
> > interested in Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues?
> > Do you share the dream to make it a reality?
> > >
> > > Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
> > > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
> > > and make it your!
> > >
> > > Optime valete.
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > Arcoiali scribebat
> > > XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87214 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Ring
Salvete Could one of the wiki editors please link this to the main page of NR.A Picture of the ring would be nice also. http://www.eaglerings.com/SPQR_Ring.htm Thanks An order form for Nova Roma flags and tee shirts would also be niceand would give us an idea of how many we can sell. Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87215 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-21
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
On 2/21/2012 5:58 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica wrote:
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica D. Cornelio Mentoni quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
> > I am very disappointed with my Nova Roma experience. There is a lack
> > solidarity and humor here.
>
> Oh, it's there--but perhaps not obvious on the ML.
>


Well isn't that a problem then if the goal is to build a community, Tullia?


>
> > What is it with this non existent online chariot racing I�m supposed to
> > be getting excited over? Why not just meet up at the OTB or race track
> > and each color back a horse and pool their bets? Or just watch the
> > Belmont Stakes or Preakness on TV and do the same thing? That will make
> > things more interesting.
>
> Our ludi can be quite entertaining. They have not yet begun, so please
> give it a chance.
>



I was here for last year's ludi and I didn't have a clue what was going
on. Join a team? Where? How? Chariot race by email?




> >
> > I fail to understand why there isn�t a real forum site with posting
> > boards and chat rooms for us to get to.
>
> Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have
> time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we
> receive
> the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room, but it seems
> only one person showed up, and it does take two or more to have a
> conversation--outside of the loony bin, anyway.
>

This is the logic that explains why myspace is going extinct. I get
email from a half a dozen Nova Roma groups and some I'm not supposed to
respond to, some I am. They are always confusingly formatted. You
should be able to go to NovaRoma.org and get your notices, chat rooms,
retail sales, forums for specific topics, official notifications,
votings all in one place. Make people want to go there. Site traffic
alone can generate income. Do you understand that, Tullia? Site
traffic can generate revenue for the Nova Roma state? I still can't log
into anything other then the civic album. You want everything in email
form, Tullia, it can be sent to you that way. I belong to an Oracle
forum and that's exactly what my experience is like.


I spend much more time on the Wikipedia Latin page (Vicipaedia) then on
NovaRoma.org or groups.


>
> >We could all watch a TV show
> > together and post in real time, etc. And chatting, like language
> > immersion, will get our Latin acumen up. Yahoo mail is the best free
> > mail out there, but their groups are ugly and clumsy. It�s not that
> > expensive. Nova Roma without it�s own online FORUM, how ironic.
> >
> > I�d be reluctant to pay �taxes� until I see some value in this, but why
> > you aren�t selling hats, flags, rings, jewelry, clothing with Nova Roma
> > branding is inconceivable. I�d buy a ton of that stuff.
>
> We have done so, and are working on a flag. A ring may still be
> available. I believe we have also had T-shirts and sweatshirts. Give it a
> chance; our numbers have been greatly reduced.
>


I'm not surprised your numbers have been greatly reduced. I want Nova
Roma to thrive. I'm not seeing the same attitude from the leadership



> >
> > I am timid about posting with the humorless Tullia Scholastica floating
> > out there waiting to pounce upon any incorrect Latin with large font
> > graffiti style postings.
>
> I regret to inform you that I am not humorless; in fact, quite the
> opposite is true. Latin which is incorrect cannot be understood; as a
> highly inflected Indo-European language, Latin (Greek, Sanskrit, German,
> Russian...) depends on suffixes to convey meaning, and those suffixes must
> be correct. I tell my Grammatica students that Latin words are modest and
> do not go out in public without g-strings and pasties at a minimum; they
> have to add a lot more at times so that they can go out and interact with
> other Latin words.
>
I'm sure you regret it tremendously. If I'm staring a joke thread at
the behest of the higher ups, stay light hearted and go with the flow.
Don't bring everything down with your cold rule of law. We all are not
your Grammatica students. Until I pay for your services...


>
> > So if I don�t have time to translate a quick
> > joke or something of interest properly I just don�t post it. Learn how
> > to use the line out and highlight function Tullia, it�ll make your
> > ceaseless fortitude more readable.
>
> Sorry, but my system does not do such things. Why don't you pick up a
> copy of Wheelock and learn proper Latin?
>

LOL. So if you found an original manuscript from Plautius you would
send it back if it had too many grammatical mistakes? This is a
friendly community, not school.






> >
> > Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be.
>
> You might want to contribute meaningfully to NR to make it more pleasing
> to you. Ecce is not the way to do that, nor is mangled Latin.
>

Like I said, Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be and you telling
me basically to lump it or leave it is short sighted.

You may not like the "Ecce" that I use to punctuate a conversation but
how many people post at all? OK, Tullia, you may get me to stop posting
but that's only going to leave a tent group worth of people saying
anything. Think beyond your little mantle of power Tullia; try and
think what is good for Nova Roma.



Gratias tibi ago.


D. Mento






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87216 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Galerio Paulino S.P.D.

> Salvete http://www.eaglerings.com/SPQR_Ring.htm Here is the Nova Roman ring
> that has been on sale for a number of years. We will be ordering a new run of
> Nova Roman flags and maybe tee shirts soon.

Do you think that the ring company (or someone) might consider making
the ring design into a pendant, bracelet, brooch, etc., which we women might
be able to wear? The ring is far too large for the hands of us ladies, and
they would probably be rather uncomfortable if worn on our big toes. ;-)

Glad to hear you are merely postponing the flag matter; the size seems
small, like the original, but that is better than nothing.

Vale!


Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus
>> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>> CC: luciaiuliaaquila@...
>> From: decimuscorneliusmento@...
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:51:55 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
>>
>> I am very disappointed with my Nova Roma experience. There is a lack
>> solidarity and humor here.
>>
>> Weren�t the Aediles responsible for public festivals? Where are the
>> organized meet ups or celebrations?
>>
>> What is it with this non existent online chariot racing I�m supposed to
>> be getting excited over? Why not just meet up at the OTB or race track
>> and each color back a horse and pool their bets? Or just watch the
>> Belmont Stakes or Preakness on TV and do the same thing? That will make
>> things more interesting.
>>
>> I fail to understand why there isn�t a real forum site with posting
>> boards and chat rooms for us to get to. We could all watch a TV show
>> together and post in real time, etc. And chatting, like language
>> immersion, will get our Latin acumen up. Yahoo mail is the best free
>> mail out there, but their groups are ugly and clumsy. It�s not that
>> expensive. Nova Roma without it�s own online FORUM, how ironic.
>>
>> I�d be reluctant to pay �taxes� until I see some value in this, but why
>> you aren�t selling hats, flags, rings, jewelry, clothing with Nova Roma
>> branding is inconceivable. I�d buy a ton of that stuff.
>>
>> I am timid about posting with the humorless Tullia Scholastica floating
>> out there waiting to pounce upon any incorrect Latin with large font
>> graffiti style postings. So if I don�t have time to translate a quick
>> joke or something of interest properly I just don�t post it. Learn how
>> to use the line out and highlight function Tullia, it�ll make your
>> ceaseless fortitude more readable.
>>
>> Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be.
>>
>>
>> Vale, et valete,
>>
>> D. Mento
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/20/2012 11:16 PM, luciaiuliaaquila wrote:
>>>
>>> Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
>>>
>>> The discussion about finances, taxes and profits brought to mind a few
>>> questions. And comments.
>>> I keep hearing we don't have a product to "sell" - no value added
>>> incentive to encourage people to pay their taxes.
>>> In the past we did have a value added incentive. We had vision. We had
>>> dreams that varied from citizen to citizen as to how NR would impact
>>> their lives. Many of us thought we might someday be living as New
>>> Romans in a New Roman community � and that meant something different
>>> to each citizen.
>>> That idea of community varied vastly from individual to individual. A
>>> few hold out that this could still be a reality. Some were, and are,
>>> happy to practice and incorporate Romanitas in their own lives. Some
>>> were, and are, weekend reconstructionists.
>>> But we all, well most, had that vision for NR whether or not we lived
>>> in a physical Nova Roma.
>>>
>>> We were so busy skirmishing that few thought to look to the future and
>>> those that had their proposals die in infancy, never to take the first
>>> breath.
>>>
>>> After being in Nova Roma for a short while I was told by a very good
>>> friend:
>>> "Nova Roma eats her own."
>>> I've seen it so many times in the past I have lost count. Nova Roma
>>> has feasted well at that smorgasbord.
>>>
>>> So now here we stand almost back at square one, rebuilding our
>>> foundation and yet we still do not have a goal that we can all agree on..
>>>
>>> It's not good enough to say we can save the profits. Personally I
>>> think a small membership fee should accompany each application � it
>>> will have more value to the applicant. We have to have a definitive
>>> plan and a specific tangible goal(s) for the profit.
>>>
>>> That is value added incentive.
>>>
>>> I ask each of my fellow citizens what does Nova Roma mean to you?
>>> What is your goal in Nova Roma?
>>> Where would you like to see her in 10 years?
>>>
>>> We have to contemplate those questions.
>>> Because first we have to know just what it is we want, then decide
>>> what is realistic, then set goals that will benefit from the profit.
>>>
>>> Julia
>>> Nasburgi Scribebat
>>> prid. Id. Feb � Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. � MMDCCLXV
>>>
>>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
>>>>
>>>> It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel
>>> something odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of
>>> death.
>>>>
>>>> Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and
>>> the magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions
>>> than to speak on the main list.
>>>>
>>>> My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment
>>> we have Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the
>>> agenda of the current meeting. They have given you too the results of
>>> the votes in the last meeting of January. I ask you to read the
>>> Tribune report. I want to hear your advices in this Forum. More we
>>> will have debates and discusses more we will be able to find solutions
>>> fair towards each of us.
>>>>
>>>> A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to
>>> pay the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less
>>> citizens every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of
>>> the last years. The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you
>>> may know it in reading the tribune's report.
>>>>
>>>> My opinion is:
>>>> More we will be, less we will pay.
>>>>
>>>> Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the
>>> citizens, called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the
>>> citizenship must have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est
>>> $2,00 per month.
>>>>
>>>> So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370
>>> free of taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova
>>> Roma will have $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
>>>>
>>>> As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your
>>> citizenship tax, we must make it lower.
>>>>
>>>> As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495
>>> citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
>>>>
>>>> Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of
>>> Nova Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You
>>> have the right to freely speak. Use it.
>>>>
>>>> Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully
>>> interested in Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues?
>>> Do you share the dream to make it a reality?
>>>>
>>>> Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
>>>> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
>>>> and make it your!
>>>>
>>>> Optime valete.
>>>>
>>>> C. Petronius Dexter
>>>> Arcoiali scribebat
>>>> XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
>>>
>>
>>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87217 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Salve Mento,
presumptuous people who defend their right to be ignorant are one of the
types of people who caused the decline of Nova Roma.
In fact, I think you fit in here much better than Tullia Scholastica does.

Vale,
Livia


----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Cornelius Mento" <decimuscorneliusmento@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@....>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro
Romano.




On 2/21/2012 5:58 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica wrote:
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica D. Cornelio Mentoni quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
> > I am very disappointed with my Nova Roma experience. There is a lack
> > solidarity and humor here.
>
> Oh, it's there--but perhaps not obvious on the ML.
>


Well isn't that a problem then if the goal is to build a community, Tullia?


>
> > What is it with this non existent online chariot racing I�m supposed to
> > be getting excited over? Why not just meet up at the OTB or race track
> > and each color back a horse and pool their bets? Or just watch the
> > Belmont Stakes or Preakness on TV and do the same thing? That will make
> > things more interesting.
>
> Our ludi can be quite entertaining. They have not yet begun, so please
> give it a chance.
>



I was here for last year's ludi and I didn't have a clue what was going
on. Join a team? Where? How? Chariot race by email?




> >
> > I fail to understand why there isn�t a real forum site with posting
> > boards and chat rooms for us to get to.
>
> Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have
> time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we
> receive
> the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room, but it seems
> only one person showed up, and it does take two or more to have a
> conversation--outside of the loony bin, anyway.
>

This is the logic that explains why myspace is going extinct. I get
email from a half a dozen Nova Roma groups and some I'm not supposed to
respond to, some I am. They are always confusingly formatted. You
should be able to go to NovaRoma.org and get your notices, chat rooms,
retail sales, forums for specific topics, official notifications,
votings all in one place. Make people want to go there. Site traffic
alone can generate income. Do you understand that, Tullia? Site
traffic can generate revenue for the Nova Roma state? I still can't log
into anything other then the civic album. You want everything in email
form, Tullia, it can be sent to you that way. I belong to an Oracle
forum and that's exactly what my experience is like.


I spend much more time on the Wikipedia Latin page (Vicipaedia) then on
NovaRoma.org or groups.


>
> >We could all watch a TV show
> > together and post in real time, etc. And chatting, like language
> > immersion, will get our Latin acumen up. Yahoo mail is the best free
> > mail out there, but their groups are ugly and clumsy. It�s not that
> > expensive. Nova Roma without it�s own online FORUM, how ironic.
> >
> > I�d be reluctant to pay �taxes� until I see some value in this, but why
> > you aren�t selling hats, flags, rings, jewelry, clothing with Nova Roma
> > branding is inconceivable. I�d buy a ton of that stuff.
>
> We have done so, and are working on a flag. A ring may still be
> available. I believe we have also had T-shirts and sweatshirts. Give it a
> chance; our numbers have been greatly reduced.
>


I'm not surprised your numbers have been greatly reduced. I want Nova
Roma to thrive. I'm not seeing the same attitude from the leadership



> >
> > I am timid about posting with the humorless Tullia Scholastica floating
> > out there waiting to pounce upon any incorrect Latin with large font
> > graffiti style postings.
>
> I regret to inform you that I am not humorless; in fact, quite the
> opposite is true. Latin which is incorrect cannot be understood; as a
> highly inflected Indo-European language, Latin (Greek, Sanskrit, German,
> Russian...) depends on suffixes to convey meaning, and those suffixes must
> be correct. I tell my Grammatica students that Latin words are modest and
> do not go out in public without g-strings and pasties at a minimum; they
> have to add a lot more at times so that they can go out and interact with
> other Latin words.
>
I'm sure you regret it tremendously. If I'm staring a joke thread at
the behest of the higher ups, stay light hearted and go with the flow.
Don't bring everything down with your cold rule of law. We all are not
your Grammatica students. Until I pay for your services...


>
> > So if I don�t have time to translate a quick
> > joke or something of interest properly I just don�t post it. Learn how
> > to use the line out and highlight function Tullia, it�ll make your
> > ceaseless fortitude more readable.
>
> Sorry, but my system does not do such things. Why don't you pick up a
> copy of Wheelock and learn proper Latin?
>

LOL. So if you found an original manuscript from Plautius you would
send it back if it had too many grammatical mistakes? This is a
friendly community, not school.






> >
> > Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be.
>
> You might want to contribute meaningfully to NR to make it more pleasing
> to you. Ecce is not the way to do that, nor is mangled Latin.
>

Like I said, Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be and you telling
me basically to lump it or leave it is short sighted.

You may not like the "Ecce" that I use to punctuate a conversation but
how many people post at all? OK, Tullia, you may get me to stop posting
but that's only going to leave a tent group worth of people saying
anything. Think beyond your little mantle of power Tullia; try and
think what is good for Nova Roma.



Gratias tibi ago.


D. Mento






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87218 From: Yehya Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Nova Roma Forum
Salve!

"Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have
time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we receive the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room, but it seems only one person showed up, and it does take two or more to have a conversation- -outside of the loony bin, anyway."

Although I agree with you about chat (it only works of those who have the time at a specific time are available) I also agree that Yahoo Groups are one of the worst ways to communicate online. A decent forum where we could set up different folders and start threads and post to the threads and read prior ones without needing to sort through prior emails would go a long way to upgrading the experience.

Most Fora also have a new posts function that shows you the new posts since you last signed on so you don't need to go "prowling around". It is far easier to follow a discussion such as this without all the annoying >>> indicators thrown in and no need to look through five days ago emails to follow the thread to it's conclusion.

Simply put Yahoo Groups spells cheap and second rate. Is that the message we want to send to both our citizens and outsiders? Remember a decent forum could have a public anyone can register), private (members only), and restricted (certain members like Senators only) sections without too much security issues.

I can show examples of hundreds of different forums like this such as "Roman Army Talk".

I don't mind contributing money or paying taxes but if all it is to do is support free email list or two and a basic website I have to wonder why?

If you are looking for ways to grow Nova Roma then listen to what the new members are telling you. If you want to keep it a small exclusive blub for the convenience of a few older members then continue on as you have but do not expect to ever grow.

Vale!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87219 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
I've seen this ring before and its a nice ring to have. I suggest emailing it to us once a month. One of these days I'll buy one. Also, if you offer more designs of rings, especially Roman, as well as what one would envision Julius or Tiberius etc would wear. I for one, am eager to see monthly product offerings by Nova Roma's leaders. Be sure to ensure a profit margin for NR.

Grati,
Ti. Marci Quadra


________________________________
From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.


 
A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Galerio Paulino S.P.D.

> Salvete http://www.eaglerings.com/SPQR_Ring.htm Here is the Nova Roman ring
> that has been on sale for a number of years. We will be ordering a new run of
> Nova Roman flags and maybe tee shirts soon.

Do you think that the ring company (or someone) might consider making
the ring design into a pendant, bracelet, brooch, etc., which we women might
be able to wear? The ring is far too large for the hands of us ladies, and
they would probably be rather uncomfortable if worn on our big toes. ;-)

Glad to hear you are merely postponing the flag matter; the size seems
small, like the original, but that is better than nothing.

Vale!

Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus
>> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>> CC: luciaiuliaaquila@...
>> From: decimuscorneliusmento@...
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:51:55 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
>>
>> I am very disappointed with my Nova Roma experience. There is a lack
>> solidarity and humor here.
>>
>> Weren�t the Aediles responsible for public festivals? Where are the
>> organized meet ups or celebrations?
>>
>> What is it with this non existent online chariot racing I�m supposed to
>> be getting excited over? Why not just meet up at the OTB or race track
>> and each color back a horse and pool their bets? Or just watch the
>> Belmont Stakes or Preakness on TV and do the same thing? That will make
>> things more interesting.
>>
>> I fail to understand why there isn�t a real forum site with posting
>> boards and chat rooms for us to get to. We could all watch a TV show
>> together and post in real time, etc. And chatting, like language
>> immersion, will get our Latin acumen up. Yahoo mail is the best free
>> mail out there, but their groups are ugly and clumsy. It�s not that
>> expensive. Nova Roma without it�s own online FORUM, how ironic.
>>
>> I�d be reluctant to pay �taxes� until I see some value in this, but why
>> you aren�t selling hats, flags, rings, jewelry, clothing with Nova Roma
>> branding is inconceivable. I�d buy a ton of that stuff.
>>
>> I am timid about posting with the humorless Tullia Scholastica floating
>> out there waiting to pounce upon any incorrect Latin with large font
>> graffiti style postings. So if I don�t have time to translate a quick
>> joke or something of interest properly I just don�t post it. Learn how
>> to use the line out and highlight function Tullia, it�ll make your
>> ceaseless fortitude more readable.
>>
>> Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be.
>>
>>
>> Vale, et valete,
>>
>> D. Mento
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/20/2012 11:16 PM, luciaiuliaaquila wrote:
>>>
>>> Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
>>>
>>> The discussion about finances, taxes and profits brought to mind a few
>>> questions. And comments.
>>> I keep hearing we don't have a product to "sell" - no value added
>>> incentive to encourage people to pay their taxes.
>>> In the past we did have a value added incentive. We had vision. We had
>>> dreams that varied from citizen to citizen as to how NR would impact
>>> their lives. Many of us thought we might someday be living as New
>>> Romans in a New Roman community � and that meant something different
>>> to each citizen.
>>> That idea of community varied vastly from individual to individual. A
>>> few hold out that this could still be a reality. Some were, and are,
>>> happy to practice and incorporate Romanitas in their own lives. Some
>>> were, and are, weekend reconstructionists.
>>> But we all, well most, had that vision for NR whether or not we lived
>>> in a physical Nova Roma.
>>>
>>> We were so busy skirmishing that few thought to look to the future and
>>> those that had their proposals die in infancy, never to take the first
>>> breath.
>>>
>>> After being in Nova Roma for a short while I was told by a very good
>>> friend:
>>> "Nova Roma eats her own."
>>> I've seen it so many times in the past I have lost count. Nova Roma
>>> has feasted well at that smorgasbord.
>>>
>>> So now here we stand almost back at square one, rebuilding our
>>> foundation and yet we still do not have a goal that we can all agree on..
>>>
>>> It's not good enough to say we can save the profits. Personally I
>>> think a small membership fee should accompany each application � it
>>> will have more value to the applicant. We have to have a definitive
>>> plan and a specific tangible goal(s) for the profit.
>>>
>>> That is value added incentive.
>>>
>>> I ask each of my fellow citizens what does Nova Roma mean to you?
>>> What is your goal in Nova Roma?
>>> Where would you like to see her in 10 years?
>>>
>>> We have to contemplate those questions.
>>> Because first we have to know just what it is we want, then decide
>>> what is realistic, then set goals that will benefit from the profit.
>>>
>>> Julia
>>> Nasburgi Scribebat
>>> prid. Id. Feb � Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. � MMDCCLXV
>>>
>>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
>>>>
>>>> It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel
>>> something odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of
>>> death.
>>>>
>>>> Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and
>>> the magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions
>>> than to speak on the main list.
>>>>
>>>> My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment
>>> we have Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the
>>> agenda of the current meeting. They have given you too the results of
>>> the votes in the last meeting of January. I ask you to read the
>>> Tribune report. I want to hear your advices in this Forum. More we
>>> will have debates and discusses more we will be able to find solutions
>>> fair towards each of us.
>>>>
>>>> A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to
>>> pay the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less
>>> citizens every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of
>>> the last years. The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you
>>> may know it in reading the tribune's report.
>>>>
>>>> My opinion is:
>>>> More we will be, less we will pay.
>>>>
>>>> Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the
>>> citizens, called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the
>>> citizenship must have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est
>>> $2,00 per month.
>>>>
>>>> So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370
>>> free of taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova
>>> Roma will have $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
>>>>
>>>> As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your
>>> citizenship tax, we must make it lower.
>>>>
>>>> As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495
>>> citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
>>>>
>>>> Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of
>>> Nova Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You
>>> have the right to freely speak. Use it.
>>>>
>>>> Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully
>>> interested in Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues?
>>> Do you share the dream to make it a reality?
>>>>
>>>> Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
>>>> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
>>>> and make it your!
>>>>
>>>> Optime valete.
>>>>
>>>> C. Petronius Dexter
>>>> Arcoiali scribebat
>>>> XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
>>>
>>
>>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87220 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Don't worry. We're getting better.

Ti. Marci Quadra 


________________________________
From: D. Cornelius Mento <decimuscorneliusmento@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.

I am very disappointed with my Nova Roma experience.  There is a lack
solidarity and humor here.

Weren’t the Aediles responsible for public festivals?  Where are the
organized meet ups or celebrations?

What is it with this non existent online chariot racing I’m supposed to
be getting excited over?  Why not just meet up at the OTB or race track
and each color back a horse and pool their bets?  Or just watch the
Belmont Stakes or Preakness on TV and do the same thing?  That will make
things more interesting.

I fail to understand why there isn’t a real forum site with posting
boards and chat rooms for us to get to.  We could all watch a TV show
together and post in real time, etc.  And chatting, like language
immersion, will get our Latin acumen up.  Yahoo mail is the best free
mail out there, but their groups are ugly and clumsy.  It’s not that
expensive.  Nova Roma without it’s own online FORUM, how ironic.

I’d be reluctant to pay “taxes” until I see some value in this, but why
you aren’t selling hats, flags, rings, jewelry, clothing with Nova Roma
branding is inconceivable.  I’d buy a ton of that stuff.

I am timid about posting with the humorless Tullia Scholastica floating
out there waiting to pounce upon any incorrect Latin with large font
graffiti style postings.  So if I don’t have time to translate a quick
joke or something of interest properly I just don’t post it.  Learn how
to use the line out and highlight function Tullia, it’ll make your
ceaseless fortitude more readable.

Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be.


Vale, et valete,

D. Mento



On 2/20/2012 11:16 PM, luciaiuliaaquila wrote:
>
> Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> The discussion about finances, taxes and profits brought to mind a few
> questions. And comments.
> I keep hearing we don't have a product to "sell" - no value added
> incentive to encourage people to pay their taxes.
> In the past we did have a value added incentive. We had vision. We had
> dreams that varied from citizen to citizen as to how NR would impact
> their lives. Many of us thought we might someday be living as New
> Romans in a New Roman community – and that meant something different
> to each citizen.
> That idea of community varied vastly from individual to individual. A
> few hold out that this could still be a reality. Some were, and are,
> happy to practice and incorporate Romanitas in their own lives. Some
> were, and are, weekend reconstructionists.
> But we all, well most, had that vision for NR whether or not we lived
> in a physical Nova Roma.
>
> We were so busy skirmishing that few thought to look to the future and
> those that had their proposals die in infancy, never to take the first
> breath.
>
> After being in Nova Roma for a short while I was told by a very good
> friend:
> "Nova Roma eats her own."
> I've seen it so many times in the past I have lost count. Nova Roma
> has feasted well at that smorgasbord.
>
> So now here we stand almost back at square one, rebuilding our
> foundation and yet we still do not have a goal that we can all agree on.
>
> It's not good enough to say we can save the profits. Personally I
> think a small membership fee should accompany each application – it
> will have more value to the applicant. We have to have a definitive
> plan and a specific tangible goal(s) for the profit.
>
> That is value added incentive.
>
> I ask each of my fellow citizens what does Nova Roma mean to you?
> What is your goal in Nova Roma?
> Where would you like to see her in 10 years?
>
> We have to contemplate those questions.
> Because first we have to know just what it is we want, then decide
> what is realistic, then set goals that will benefit from the profit.
>
> Julia
> Nasburgi Scribebat
> prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
> >
> > It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel
> something odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of
> death.
> >
> > Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and
> the magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions
> than to speak on the main list.
> >
> > My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment
> we have Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the
> agenda of the current meeting. They have given you too the results of
> the votes in the last meeting of January. I ask you to read the
> Tribune report. I want to hear your advices in this Forum. More we
> will have debates and discusses more we will be able to find solutions
> fair towards each of us.
> >
> > A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to
> pay the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less
> citizens every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of
> the last years. The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you
> may know it in reading the tribune's report.
> >
> > My opinion is:
> > More we will be, less we will pay.
> >
> > Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the
> citizens, called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the
> citizenship must have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est
> $2,00 per month.
> >
> > So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370
> free of taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova
> Roma will have $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
> >
> > As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your
> citizenship tax, we must make it lower.
> >
> > As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495
> citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
> >
> > Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of
> Nova Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You
> have the right to freely speak. Use it.
> >
> > Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully
> interested in Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues?
> Do you share the dream to make it a reality?
> >
> > Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
> > and make it your!
> >
> > Optime valete.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87221 From: Radakia Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma means the world to me. Someone's got to do it. Appreci
Salvete,

I am suprised by the dissapointment felt by some. However so far
as a newly branded citizen in Nova Roma, I do not feel dissapointed.
The website has a wealth of information. We have highly knowledgable citizens who can assist those of us who are new to learning things like latin. I have seen them do so. Why did I join
Nova Roma? I chose to join because I want to see the values and contributions of the ancient Romans recognized and continued. There is
hope for a community that we can really have only if we work towards that goal together. One way of working towards that goal is paying taxes because every country needs some form of funding to run. to pay for the different activities and the website. roads cannot be built if the builders are not paid to build them. I think if we can all get past the times where it seems things are a lost cause the community will be stronger for it. Those who choose to stay around are the ones who want to see the goals and ideals of Nova Roma succeed. Sure there are many things I see the potential for happening in Nova Roma however they cant happen if we are pointing fingers at each other or fighting over a small fee for the upkeep of what we have now continues. There must be a way for us to find a balance here. No offense is meant in any of my words. I simply wish for the community to work together because that is exactly what we are (a community).


Valete,

T. Valeria Celeris.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...> wrote:
>
> The use of words has implications. NO ONE LIKES PAYING TAXES.
>  
> It is reasonable to tax territory, land, infrastructure, buildings for brick & mortar structures.
>
> The money I give to Nova Roma is intended as donations, gifts, tithes, offerings.
>
> Like the Muslims who are still grappling how to treat non-conformists, it took us Romans hundreds of years before we developed a free society - free from death.
>
> My suggestion: 1) No sign up fee OR an optional token sign of fee of say - $4.00 or donation; 2) quarterly or bi-annual fund drives (like Wikipedia) in addition to daily donations opportunities; 3) sell some items, like t-shirts, golden laurel leaf head bands, calendars, etc, things Romans want; 4) use the word TAX as a voluntary means of fund raising - because - those like myself oppose further taxation - after all, aren't we descendants of one Caesar/Emperor or another not subject to "TAXES"?
>
> Cordially,
> Ti. Marci Quadra
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:16 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
>
>
>  
> Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> The discussion about finances, taxes and profits brought to mind a few questions. And comments.
> I keep hearing we don't have a product to "sell" - no value added incentive to encourage people to pay their taxes.
> In the past we did have a value added incentive. We had vision. We had dreams that varied from citizen to citizen as to how NR would impact their lives. Many of us thought we might someday be living as New Romans in a New Roman community â€" and that meant something different to each citizen.
> That idea of community varied vastly from individual to individual. A few hold out that this could still be a reality. Some were, and are, happy to practice and incorporate Romanitas in their own lives. Some were, and are, weekend reconstructionists.
> But we all, well most, had that vision for NR whether or not we lived in a physical Nova Roma.
>
> We were so busy skirmishing that few thought to look to the future and those that had their proposals die in infancy, never to take the first breath.
>
> After being in Nova Roma for a short while I was told by a very good friend:
> "Nova Roma eats her own."
> I've seen it so many times in the past I have lost count. Nova Roma has feasted well at that smorgasbord.
>
> So now here we stand almost back at square one, rebuilding our foundation and yet we still do not have a goal that we can all agree on.
>
> It's not good enough to say we can save the profits. Personally I think a small membership fee should accompany each application â€" it will have more value to the applicant. We have to have a definitive plan and a specific tangible goal(s) for the profit.
>
> That is value added incentive.
>
> I ask each of my fellow citizens what does Nova Roma mean to you?
> What is your goal in Nova Roma?
> Where would you like to see her in 10 years?
>
> We have to contemplate those questions.
> Because first we have to know just what it is we want, then decide what is realistic, then set goals that will benefit from the profit.
>
> Julia
> Nasburgi Scribebat
> prid. Id. Feb ‡ Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. ‡ MMDCCLXV
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,
> >
> > It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel something odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of death.
> >
> > Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and the magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions than to speak on the main list.
> >
> > My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment we have Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the agenda of the current meeting. They have given you too the results of the votes in the last meeting of January. I ask you to read the Tribune report. I want to hear your advices in this Forum. More we will have debates and discusses more we will be able to find solutions fair towards each of us.
> >
> > A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to pay the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less citizens every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of the last years. The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you may know it in reading the tribune's report.
> >
> > My opinion is:
> > More we will be, less we will pay.
> >
> > Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the citizens, called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the citizenship must have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est $2,00 per month.
> >
> > So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370 free of taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova Roma will have $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.
> >
> > As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your citizenship tax, we must make it lower.
> >
> > As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495 citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.
> >
> > Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of Nova Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You have the right to freely speak. Use it.
> >
> > Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully interested in Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues? Do you share the dream to make it a reality?
> >
> > Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)
> > and make it your!
> >
> > Optime valete.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> > Arcoiali scribebat
> > XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87222 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Oh my!

Livia, what was that for?


Who's being presumptuous? I was asking not to be attacked for a
light-hearted posting I was asked to start by the higher ups. It was
presumptuous of Tullia to grade my posting like a term paper and when I
asked her not to do such obnoxious things she got high handed.

So, if I invite you to a party, I'm allowed to publicly criticize your
dress, Livia?

So what you're saying is stumbling beginner Latin speakers are not
welcome here?

Good going, Livia.


D. Mento

On 2/22/2012 6:27 AM, L. Livia Plauta wrote:
>
> Salve Mento,
> presumptuous people who defend their right to be ignorant are one of the
> types of people who caused the decline of Nova Roma.
> In fact, I think you fit in here much better than Tullia Scholastica does.
>
> Vale,
> Livia
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87223 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Ave!

Mento, just ignore livia too. lol She has a vested reason to do her best
to criticize NR, she is one of the funding sources of the RPR, or so I have
been told. Just like her outing of Audens, there is always a motive behind
her messages.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM, D. Cornelius Mento <
decimuscorneliusmento@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Oh my!
>
> Livia, what was that for?
>
> Who's being presumptuous? I was asking not to be attacked for a
> light-hearted posting I was asked to start by the higher ups. It was
> presumptuous of Tullia to grade my posting like a term paper and when I
> asked her not to do such obnoxious things she got high handed.
>
> So, if I invite you to a party, I'm allowed to publicly criticize your
> dress, Livia?
>
> So what you're saying is stumbling beginner Latin speakers are not
> welcome here?
>
> Good going, Livia.
>
> D. Mento
>
>
> On 2/22/2012 6:27 AM, L. Livia Plauta wrote:
> >
> > Salve Mento,
> > presumptuous people who defend their right to be ignorant are one of the
> > types of people who caused the decline of Nova Roma.
> > In fact, I think you fit in here much better than Tullia Scholastica
> does.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Livia
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87224 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Yes, thank you.

http://www.romanarmytalk.com is a nice website and a good example of
what I was talking about.

Check it out, Tullia


Gratias tibi ago

D. Mento



On 2/22/2012 7:57 AM, Yehya wrote:
>
> Salve!
>
> "Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have
> time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we
> receive the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room,
> but it seems only one person showed up, and it does take two or more
> to have a conversation- -outside of the loony bin, anyway."
>
> Although I agree with you about chat (it only works of those who have
> the time at a specific time are available) I also agree that Yahoo
> Groups are one of the worst ways to communicate online. A decent forum
> where we could set up different folders and start threads and post to
> the threads and read prior ones without needing to sort through prior
> emails would go a long way to upgrading the experience.
>
> Most Fora also have a new posts function that shows you the new posts
> since you last signed on so you don't need to go "prowling around". It
> is far easier to follow a discussion such as this without all the
> annoying >>> indicators thrown in and no need to look through five
> days ago emails to follow the thread to it's conclusion.
>
> Simply put Yahoo Groups spells cheap and second rate. Is that the
> message we want to send to both our citizens and outsiders? Remember a
> decent forum could have a public anyone can register), private
> (members only), and restricted (certain members like Senators only)
> sections without too much security issues.
>
> I can show examples of hundreds of different forums like this such as
> "Roman Army Talk".
>
> I don't mind contributing money or paying taxes but if all it is to do
> is support free email list or two and a basic website I have to wonder
> why?
>
> If you are looking for ways to grow Nova Roma then listen to what the
> new members are telling you. If you want to keep it a small exclusive
> blub for the convenience of a few older members then continue on as
> you have but do not expect to ever grow.
>
> Vale!
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87225 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Bonum scire est!


D. Mento


On 2/22/2012 9:53 AM, Robin Marquardt wrote:
>
> Don't worry. We're getting better.
>
> Ti. Marci Quadra
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87226 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
No worries, Sulla.

Dumb question though, what is RPR?


Gratias tibi ago,

Vale,

D. Mento



On 2/22/2012 11:35 AM, Robert Woolwine wrote:
> Ave!
>
> Mento, just ignore livia too. lol She has a vested reason to do her best
> to criticize NR, she is one of the funding sources of the RPR, or so I have
> been told. Just like her outing of Audens, there is always a motive behind
> her messages.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87227 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
It is just a completing organization. Filled by those who failed in the
coup attempt.

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:26 AM, D. Cornelius Mento <
DecimusCorneliusMento@...> wrote:

> No worries, Sulla.
>
> Dumb question though, what is RPR?
>
>
> Gratias tibi ago,
>
> Vale,
>
> D. Mento
>
>
>
> On 2/22/2012 11:35 AM, Robert Woolwine wrote:
>
> Ave!
>
> Mento, just ignore livia too. lol She has a vested reason to do her best
> to criticize NR, she is one of the funding sources of the RPR, or so I have
> been told. Just like her outing of Audens, there is always a motive behind
> her messages.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87228 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Tullia,

Just look at this email thread. It's mess.



> ATS: Pick your favorite racing team: white, green, blue,
red, and contact the head of that faction, or just watch and root for
your favorite. I expect that later on the heads of the factiones will
make themselves known. Typically the races are written up by an
aedilician quaestor or scriba, and posted to the ML, though sometimes
they are simply put on a separate site. They may not be as interesting
as the Triple Crown, but we try to make them interesting and colorful,
referring to our own citizens. Perhaps you will appear in one or more
of the write ups...


DCM: Sounds like a blast.

But hey, instead of waiting 20 minutes for a questor or scriba to type a
fictional update on a chariot race, how about the day of the Kentucky
Derby each faction picks a real horse? Maybe even put a $2 bet down to
make it interesting. Or the Factiones follow a horse through the entire
racing season? Or a football, baseball team, in the manner of a fantasy
league? It'll help form a tight tent group.


> ATS: Neither can some of us. We can’t access the censorial
mailbox, for example. As for formatting, I don’t see how standard
letter format (salutation, body of text, and closing) can be confusing,
but too many citizens omit the salutation and / or the closing, making
things less gracious and more confusing. However, the wiki did grow
like Topsy, and it is in need of organization. We are working on our IT
issues after considerable difficulties you did not observe, and this
will take some time to sort out.

DCM: Well this should be telling you NOT to dig your heals in and start
looking around for new ideas.


> ATS: The Latin wiki is a mess in which students think they
know more than world-class Latinists and delete the accurate work of the
Latinists in favor of nonsense from self-important students. If that
appeals to you, fine, but please be aware that the material there is
more likely to be erroneous than that in the English wiki, and the Latin
may well be, too.

DCM: It’s not a question of whether it appeals to me, Tullia, it is a
statement that the poorly handled Vicipaedia holds more interest than
the Nova Roma site. Vicipaedia has news and social interest stories, as
a beginner I’m not as concerned about pure Latin as you. I also visit
http://ephemeris.alcuinus.net/ another Latin language news site. What’s
wrong with that one? Do you know a good Roman/Latin sites that can compare?










> ATS: Our numbers have been reduced because many long-time
citizens from one political faction left due to some political events
over the last couple of years. There had been previous departures in
large numbers as well.
>
> Some of the leaders do want NR to thrive, but some are
content to insult people whose opinions differ from their own and to
drive those individuals out. Unless and until these disruptive and
argumentative sorts are somehow restrained, we will not regain our
former numbers. We also depend on interest in the general public; we
cannot legislate interest in ancient Rome. If people are interested,
they should be able to find us, but to keep them, we must offer them
something, and not yelp every time that a language other than English is
used without a translation. Some who can communicate very well in
Latin, French, German, Spanish, etc., and who can read English cannot
translate other languages into English. That is a special skill. We
lost the opportunity to gain dozens, if not hundreds, of Latinists
because of such silly requirements, and because those in a certain
political faction are too right-brained and find it difficult to learn
languages, they shoot those who use tongues other than English down.
Some seem to believe that everything written in languages other than
English represents a potential threat to NR, so woe betide the person
who writes in any language other than that grammarless one stemming from
England.


DCM: Funny comments considering you feel it necessary to grade
everyone's Latin. Lighten up, Funny Lady. Perhaps, for the good of
Nova Roma you should look beyond only attracting Latinists.


>
> ATS: I think you are aiming at the wrong party. The cold
rule of law is Caesar’s department; he finds it quite comforting.

DCM: Caesar’s not the one passing judgement on my postings, you are.
Lighten up. If I knew the ancient Roman version of a smiley face, I
would insert it. (Not that Yahoo Group email let's you insert images.)



> ATS: My guess is that a lot of manuscripts had plenty of
mistakes, many introduced by poor copying on the part of the various
monks who did this, writing all day long from the dictation of one of
their number. Schools, my dear Mento, need not be all that serious,
either; I try to make mine as lighthearted as possible, though in Sermo
we must follow the dictates of Avitus, who indeed IS rather humorless.
Even so, I do lighten up a bit...

DCM: Uh, Tullia, I hate to tell you this, but this isn’t your
school... I’m not your student...



Gratias tibi ago,

D. Mento



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87229 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Oh.

Vale,

D. Mento

On 2/22/2012 12:34 PM, Robert Woolwine wrote:
> It is just a completing organization. Filled by those who failed in
> the coup attempt.
> Vale,
> Sulla
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:26 AM, D. Cornelius Mento
> <DecimusCorneliusMento@...
> <mailto:DecimusCorneliusMento@...>> wrote:
>
> No worries, Sulla.
>
> Dumb question though, what is RPR?
>
>
> Gratias tibi ago,
>
> Vale,
>
> D. Mento
>
>
>
> On 2/22/2012 11:35 AM, Robert Woolwine wrote:
>> Ave!
>>
>> Mento, just ignore livia too. lol She has a vested reason to do her best
>> to criticize NR, she is one of the funding sources of the RPR, or so I have
>> been told. Just like her outing of Audens, there is always a motive behind
>> her messages.
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> Sulla
>
>

--


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87230 From: Robert Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Ave,

Just keep in mind that Scholastica wanted us moderated when we were having fun on the ml talking about booze!

And if Scholastica was teaching at a college I would make sure she would be fired for her inability to keep personal student information confidential per FERPA laws.

Vale

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:57 AM, "D. Cornelius Mento" <decimuscorneliusmento@...> wrote:

> Tullia,
>
> Just look at this email thread. It's mess.
>
> > ATS: Pick your favorite racing team: white, green, blue,
> red, and contact the head of that faction, or just watch and root for
> your favorite. I expect that later on the heads of the factiones will
> make themselves known. Typically the races are written up by an
> aedilician quaestor or scriba, and posted to the ML, though sometimes
> they are simply put on a separate site. They may not be as interesting
> as the Triple Crown, but we try to make them interesting and colorful,
> referring to our own citizens. Perhaps you will appear in one or more
> of the write ups...
>
> DCM: Sounds like a blast.
>
> But hey, instead of waiting 20 minutes for a questor or scriba to type a
> fictional update on a chariot race, how about the day of the Kentucky
> Derby each faction picks a real horse? Maybe even put a $2 bet down to
> make it interesting. Or the Factiones follow a horse through the entire
> racing season? Or a football, baseball team, in the manner of a fantasy
> league? It'll help form a tight tent group.
>
> > ATS: Neither can some of us. We can’t access the censorial
> mailbox, for example. As for formatting, I don’t see how standard
> letter format (salutation, body of text, and closing) can be confusing,
> but too many citizens omit the salutation and / or the closing, making
> things less gracious and more confusing. However, the wiki did grow
> like Topsy, and it is in need of organization. We are working on our IT
> issues after considerable difficulties you did not observe, and this
> will take some time to sort out.
>
> DCM: Well this should be telling you NOT to dig your heals in and start
> looking around for new ideas.
>
> > ATS: The Latin wiki is a mess in which students think they
> know more than world-class Latinists and delete the accurate work of the
> Latinists in favor of nonsense from self-important students. If that
> appeals to you, fine, but please be aware that the material there is
> more likely to be erroneous than that in the English wiki, and the Latin
> may well be, too.
>
> DCM: It’s not a question of whether it appeals to me, Tullia, it is a
> statement that the poorly handled Vicipaedia holds more interest than
> the Nova Roma site. Vicipaedia has news and social interest stories, as
> a beginner I’m not as concerned about pure Latin as you. I also visit
> http://ephemeris.alcuinus.net/ another Latin language news site. What’s
> wrong with that one? Do you know a good Roman/Latin sites that can compare?
>
> > ATS: Our numbers have been reduced because many long-time
> citizens from one political faction left due to some political events
> over the last couple of years. There had been previous departures in
> large numbers as well.
> >
> > Some of the leaders do want NR to thrive, but some are
> content to insult people whose opinions differ from their own and to
> drive those individuals out. Unless and until these disruptive and
> argumentative sorts are somehow restrained, we will not regain our
> former numbers. We also depend on interest in the general public; we
> cannot legislate interest in ancient Rome. If people are interested,
> they should be able to find us, but to keep them, we must offer them
> something, and not yelp every time that a language other than English is
> used without a translation. Some who can communicate very well in
> Latin, French, German, Spanish, etc., and who can read English cannot
> translate other languages into English. That is a special skill. We
> lost the opportunity to gain dozens, if not hundreds, of Latinists
> because of such silly requirements, and because those in a certain
> political faction are too right-brained and find it difficult to learn
> languages, they shoot those who use tongues other than English down.
> Some seem to believe that everything written in languages other than
> English represents a potential threat to NR, so woe betide the person
> who writes in any language other than that grammarless one stemming from
> England.
>
> DCM: Funny comments considering you feel it necessary to grade
> everyone's Latin. Lighten up, Funny Lady. Perhaps, for the good of
> Nova Roma you should look beyond only attracting Latinists.
>
> >
> > ATS: I think you are aiming at the wrong party. The cold
> rule of law is Caesar’s department; he finds it quite comforting.
>
> DCM: Caesar’s not the one passing judgement on my postings, you are.
> Lighten up. If I knew the ancient Roman version of a smiley face, I
> would insert it. (Not that Yahoo Group email let's you insert images.)
>
> > ATS: My guess is that a lot of manuscripts had plenty of
> mistakes, many introduced by poor copying on the part of the various
> monks who did this, writing all day long from the dictation of one of
> their number. Schools, my dear Mento, need not be all that serious,
> either; I try to make mine as lighthearted as possible, though in Sermo
> we must follow the dictates of Avitus, who indeed IS rather humorless.
> Even so, I do lighten up a bit...
>
> DCM: Uh, Tullia, I hate to tell you this, but this isn’t your
> school... I’m not your student...
>
> Gratias tibi ago,
>
> D. Mento
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87231 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Quod? We can't talk about booze? Bacchus preserve us!


Vale,

D. Mento

On 2/22/2012 1:09 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> Just keep in mind that Scholastica wanted us moderated when we were
> having fun on the ml talking about booze!
>
> And if Scholastica was teaching at a college I would make sure she
> would be fired for her inability to keep personal student information
> confidential per FERPA laws.
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:57 AM, "D. Cornelius Mento"
> <decimuscorneliusmento@...
> <mailto:decimuscorneliusmento%40yahoo.it>> wrote:
>
> > Tullia,
> >
> > Just look at this email thread. It's mess.
> >
> > > ATS: Pick your favorite racing team: white, green, blue,
> > red, and contact the head of that faction, or just watch and root for
> > your favorite. I expect that later on the heads of the factiones will
> > make themselves known. Typically the races are written up by an
> > aedilician quaestor or scriba, and posted to the ML, though sometimes
> > they are simply put on a separate site. They may not be as interesting
> > as the Triple Crown, but we try to make them interesting and colorful,
> > referring to our own citizens. Perhaps you will appear in one or more
> > of the write ups...
> >
> > DCM: Sounds like a blast.
> >
> > But hey, instead of waiting 20 minutes for a questor or scriba to
> type a
> > fictional update on a chariot race, how about the day of the Kentucky
> > Derby each faction picks a real horse? Maybe even put a $2 bet down to
> > make it interesting. Or the Factiones follow a horse through the entire
> > racing season? Or a football, baseball team, in the manner of a fantasy
> > league? It'll help form a tight tent group.
> >
> > > ATS: Neither can some of us. We can’t access the censorial
> > mailbox, for example. As for formatting, I don’t see how standard
> > letter format (salutation, body of text, and closing) can be confusing,
> > but too many citizens omit the salutation and / or the closing, making
> > things less gracious and more confusing. However, the wiki did grow
> > like Topsy, and it is in need of organization. We are working on our IT
> > issues after considerable difficulties you did not observe, and this
> > will take some time to sort out.
> >
> > DCM: Well this should be telling you NOT to dig your heals in and start
> > looking around for new ideas.
> >
> > > ATS: The Latin wiki is a mess in which students think they
> > know more than world-class Latinists and delete the accurate work of
> the
> > Latinists in favor of nonsense from self-important students. If that
> > appeals to you, fine, but please be aware that the material there is
> > more likely to be erroneous than that in the English wiki, and the
> Latin
> > may well be, too.
> >
> > DCM: It’s not a question of whether it appeals to me, Tullia, it is a
> > statement that the poorly handled Vicipaedia holds more interest than
> > the Nova Roma site. Vicipaedia has news and social interest stories, as
> > a beginner I’m not as concerned about pure Latin as you. I also visit
> > http://ephemeris.alcuinus.net/ another Latin language news site. What’s
> > wrong with that one? Do you know a good Roman/Latin sites that can
> compare?
> >
> > > ATS: Our numbers have been reduced because many long-time
> > citizens from one political faction left due to some political events
> > over the last couple of years. There had been previous departures in
> > large numbers as well.
> > >
> > > Some of the leaders do want NR to thrive, but some are
> > content to insult people whose opinions differ from their own and to
> > drive those individuals out. Unless and until these disruptive and
> > argumentative sorts are somehow restrained, we will not regain our
> > former numbers. We also depend on interest in the general public; we
> > cannot legislate interest in ancient Rome. If people are interested,
> > they should be able to find us, but to keep them, we must offer them
> > something, and not yelp every time that a language other than
> English is
> > used without a translation. Some who can communicate very well in
> > Latin, French, German, Spanish, etc., and who can read English cannot
> > translate other languages into English. That is a special skill. We
> > lost the opportunity to gain dozens, if not hundreds, of Latinists
> > because of such silly requirements, and because those in a certain
> > political faction are too right-brained and find it difficult to learn
> > languages, they shoot those who use tongues other than English down.
> > Some seem to believe that everything written in languages other than
> > English represents a potential threat to NR, so woe betide the person
> > who writes in any language other than that grammarless one stemming
> from
> > England.
> >
> > DCM: Funny comments considering you feel it necessary to grade
> > everyone's Latin. Lighten up, Funny Lady. Perhaps, for the good of
> > Nova Roma you should look beyond only attracting Latinists.
> >
> > >
> > > ATS: I think you are aiming at the wrong party. The cold
> > rule of law is Caesar’s department; he finds it quite comforting.
> >
> > DCM: Caesar’s not the one passing judgement on my postings, you are.
> > Lighten up. If I knew the ancient Roman version of a smiley face, I
> > would insert it. (Not that Yahoo Group email let's you insert images.)
> >
> > > ATS: My guess is that a lot of manuscripts had plenty of
> > mistakes, many introduced by poor copying on the part of the various
> > monks who did this, writing all day long from the dictation of one of
> > their number. Schools, my dear Mento, need not be all that serious,
> > either; I try to make mine as lighthearted as possible, though in Sermo
> > we must follow the dictates of Avitus, who indeed IS rather humorless.
> > Even so, I do lighten up a bit...
> >
> > DCM: Uh, Tullia, I hate to tell you this, but this isn’t your
> > school... I’m not your student...
> >
> > Gratias tibi ago,
> >
> > D. Mento
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

--


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87232 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
I know!!! LOL I posted a very very lovely picture of a booze ad...LOL
featuring the lovely Christina Hendricks from Mad Men because she is the
face of Johnny Walker Labels and I heard she wanted the thread ended...
Such a travesty!!! Shocking!

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:15 AM, D. Cornelius Mento <
DecimusCorneliusMento@...> wrote:

> Quod? We can't talk about booze? Bacchus preserve us!
>
>
> Vale,
>
> D. Mento
>
> On 2/22/2012 1:09 PM, Robert wrote:
>
>
>
> Ave,
>
> Just keep in mind that Scholastica wanted us moderated when we were having
> fun on the ml talking about booze!
>
> And if Scholastica was teaching at a college I would make sure she would
> be fired for her inability to keep personal student information
> confidential per FERPA laws.
>
> Vale
>
> Sulla
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:57 AM, "D. Cornelius Mento" <
> decimuscorneliusmento@...> wrote:
>
> > Tullia,
> >
> > Just look at this email thread. It's mess.
> >
> > > ATS: Pick your favorite racing team: white, green, blue,
> > red, and contact the head of that faction, or just watch and root for
> > your favorite. I expect that later on the heads of the factiones will
> > make themselves known. Typically the races are written up by an
> > aedilician quaestor or scriba, and posted to the ML, though sometimes
> > they are simply put on a separate site. They may not be as interesting
> > as the Triple Crown, but we try to make them interesting and colorful,
> > referring to our own citizens. Perhaps you will appear in one or more
> > of the write ups...
> >
> > DCM: Sounds like a blast.
> >
> > But hey, instead of waiting 20 minutes for a questor or scriba to type a
> > fictional update on a chariot race, how about the day of the Kentucky
> > Derby each faction picks a real horse? Maybe even put a $2 bet down to
> > make it interesting. Or the Factiones follow a horse through the entire
> > racing season? Or a football, baseball team, in the manner of a fantasy
> > league? It'll help form a tight tent group.
> >
> > > ATS: Neither can some of us. We can�t access the censorial
> > mailbox, for example. As for formatting, I don�t see how standard
> > letter format (salutation, body of text, and closing) can be confusing,
> > but too many citizens omit the salutation and / or the closing, making
> > things less gracious and more confusing. However, the wiki did grow
> > like Topsy, and it is in need of organization. We are working on our IT
> > issues after considerable difficulties you did not observe, and this
> > will take some time to sort out.
> >
> > DCM: Well this should be telling you NOT to dig your heals in and start
> > looking around for new ideas.
> >
> > > ATS: The Latin wiki is a mess in which students think they
> > know more than world-class Latinists and delete the accurate work of the
> > Latinists in favor of nonsense from self-important students. If that
> > appeals to you, fine, but please be aware that the material there is
> > more likely to be erroneous than that in the English wiki, and the Latin
> > may well be, too.
> >
> > DCM: It�s not a question of whether it appeals to me, Tullia, it is a
> > statement that the poorly handled Vicipaedia holds more interest than
> > the Nova Roma site. Vicipaedia has news and social interest stories, as
> > a beginner I�m not as concerned about pure Latin as you. I also visit
> > http://ephemeris.alcuinus.net/ another Latin language news site. What�s
> > wrong with that one? Do you know a good Roman/Latin sites that can
> compare?
> >
> > > ATS: Our numbers have been reduced because many long-time
> > citizens from one political faction left due to some political events
> > over the last couple of years. There had been previous departures in
> > large numbers as well.
> > >
> > > Some of the leaders do want NR to thrive, but some are
> > content to insult people whose opinions differ from their own and to
> > drive those individuals out. Unless and until these disruptive and
> > argumentative sorts are somehow restrained, we will not regain our
> > former numbers. We also depend on interest in the general public; we
> > cannot legislate interest in ancient Rome. If people are interested,
> > they should be able to find us, but to keep them, we must offer them
> > something, and not yelp every time that a language other than English is
> > used without a translation. Some who can communicate very well in
> > Latin, French, German, Spanish, etc., and who can read English cannot
> > translate other languages into English. That is a special skill. We
> > lost the opportunity to gain dozens, if not hundreds, of Latinists
> > because of such silly requirements, and because those in a certain
> > political faction are too right-brained and find it difficult to learn
> > languages, they shoot those who use tongues other than English down.
> > Some seem to believe that everything written in languages other than
> > English represents a potential threat to NR, so woe betide the person
> > who writes in any language other than that grammarless one stemming from
> > England.
> >
> > DCM: Funny comments considering you feel it necessary to grade
> > everyone's Latin. Lighten up, Funny Lady. Perhaps, for the good of
> > Nova Roma you should look beyond only attracting Latinists.
> >
> > >
> > > ATS: I think you are aiming at the wrong party. The cold
> > rule of law is Caesar�s department; he finds it quite comforting.
> >
> > DCM: Caesar�s not the one passing judgement on my postings, you are.
> > Lighten up. If I knew the ancient Roman version of a smiley face, I
> > would insert it. (Not that Yahoo Group email let's you insert images.)
> >
> > > ATS: My guess is that a lot of manuscripts had plenty of
> > mistakes, many introduced by poor copying on the part of the various
> > monks who did this, writing all day long from the dictation of one of
> > their number. Schools, my dear Mento, need not be all that serious,
> > either; I try to make mine as lighthearted as possible, though in Sermo
> > we must follow the dictates of Avitus, who indeed IS rather humorless.
> > Even so, I do lighten up a bit...
> >
> > DCM: Uh, Tullia, I hate to tell you this, but this isn�t your
> > school... I�m not your student...
> >
> > Gratias tibi ago,
> >
> > D. Mento
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> --
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87233 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
By Jupiter's Hoary Beard!



On 2/22/2012 1:19 PM, Robert Woolwine wrote:
> I know!!! LOL I posted a very very lovely picture of a booze ad...LOL
> featuring the lovely Christina Hendricks from Mad Men because she is the
> face of Johnny Walker Labels and I heard she wanted the thread ended...
> Such a travesty!!! Shocking!
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:15 AM, D. Cornelius Mento<
> DecimusCorneliusMento@...> wrote:
>
>> Quod? We can't talk about booze? Bacchus preserve us!
>>
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> D. Mento
>>
>> On 2/22/2012 1:09 PM, Robert wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Ave,
>>
>> Just keep in mind that Scholastica wanted us moderated when we were having
>> fun on the ml talking about booze!
>>
>> And if Scholastica was teaching at a college I would make sure she would
>> be fired for her inability to keep personal student information
>> confidential per FERPA laws.
>>
>> Vale
>>
>> Sulla
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:57 AM, "D. Cornelius Mento"<
>> decimuscorneliusmento@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Tullia,
>>>
>>> Just look at this email thread. It's mess.
>>>
>>>> ATS: Pick your favorite racing team: white, green, blue,
>>> red, and contact the head of that faction, or just watch and root for
>>> your favorite. I expect that later on the heads of the factiones will
>>> make themselves known. Typically the races are written up by an
>>> aedilician quaestor or scriba, and posted to the ML, though sometimes
>>> they are simply put on a separate site. They may not be as interesting
>>> as the Triple Crown, but we try to make them interesting and colorful,
>>> referring to our own citizens. Perhaps you will appear in one or more
>>> of the write ups...
>>>
>>> DCM: Sounds like a blast.
>>>
>>> But hey, instead of waiting 20 minutes for a questor or scriba to type a
>>> fictional update on a chariot race, how about the day of the Kentucky
>>> Derby each faction picks a real horse? Maybe even put a $2 bet down to
>>> make it interesting. Or the Factiones follow a horse through the entire
>>> racing season? Or a football, baseball team, in the manner of a fantasy
>>> league? It'll help form a tight tent group.
>>>
>>>> ATS: Neither can some of us. We can't access the censorial
>>> mailbox, for example. As for formatting, I don't see how standard
>>> letter format (salutation, body of text, and closing) can be confusing,
>>> but too many citizens omit the salutation and / or the closing, making
>>> things less gracious and more confusing. However, the wiki did grow
>>> like Topsy, and it is in need of organization. We are working on our IT
>>> issues after considerable difficulties you did not observe, and this
>>> will take some time to sort out.
>>>
>>> DCM: Well this should be telling you NOT to dig your heals in and start
>>> looking around for new ideas.
>>>
>>>> ATS: The Latin wiki is a mess in which students think they
>>> know more than world-class Latinists and delete the accurate work of the
>>> Latinists in favor of nonsense from self-important students. If that
>>> appeals to you, fine, but please be aware that the material there is
>>> more likely to be erroneous than that in the English wiki, and the Latin
>>> may well be, too.
>>>
>>> DCM: It's not a question of whether it appeals to me, Tullia, it is a
>>> statement that the poorly handled Vicipaedia holds more interest than
>>> the Nova Roma site. Vicipaedia has news and social interest stories, as
>>> a beginner I'm not as concerned about pure Latin as you. I also visit
>>> http://ephemeris.alcuinus.net/ another Latin language news site. What's
>>> wrong with that one? Do you know a good Roman/Latin sites that can
>> compare?
>>>> ATS: Our numbers have been reduced because many long-time
>>> citizens from one political faction left due to some political events
>>> over the last couple of years. There had been previous departures in
>>> large numbers as well.
>>>> Some of the leaders do want NR to thrive, but some are
>>> content to insult people whose opinions differ from their own and to
>>> drive those individuals out. Unless and until these disruptive and
>>> argumentative sorts are somehow restrained, we will not regain our
>>> former numbers. We also depend on interest in the general public; we
>>> cannot legislate interest in ancient Rome. If people are interested,
>>> they should be able to find us, but to keep them, we must offer them
>>> something, and not yelp every time that a language other than English is
>>> used without a translation. Some who can communicate very well in
>>> Latin, French, German, Spanish, etc., and who can read English cannot
>>> translate other languages into English. That is a special skill. We
>>> lost the opportunity to gain dozens, if not hundreds, of Latinists
>>> because of such silly requirements, and because those in a certain
>>> political faction are too right-brained and find it difficult to learn
>>> languages, they shoot those who use tongues other than English down.
>>> Some seem to believe that everything written in languages other than
>>> English represents a potential threat to NR, so woe betide the person
>>> who writes in any language other than that grammarless one stemming from
>>> England.
>>>
>>> DCM: Funny comments considering you feel it necessary to grade
>>> everyone's Latin. Lighten up, Funny Lady. Perhaps, for the good of
>>> Nova Roma you should look beyond only attracting Latinists.
>>>
>>>> ATS: I think you are aiming at the wrong party. The cold
>>> rule of law is Caesar's department; he finds it quite comforting.
>>>
>>> DCM: Caesar's not the one passing judgement on my postings, you are.
>>> Lighten up. If I knew the ancient Roman version of a smiley face, I
>>> would insert it. (Not that Yahoo Group email let's you insert images.)
>>>
>>>> ATS: My guess is that a lot of manuscripts had plenty of
>>> mistakes, many introduced by poor copying on the part of the various
>>> monks who did this, writing all day long from the dictation of one of
>>> their number. Schools, my dear Mento, need not be all that serious,
>>> either; I try to make mine as lighthearted as possible, though in Sermo
>>> we must follow the dictates of Avitus, who indeed IS rather humorless.
>>> Even so, I do lighten up a bit...
>>>
>>> DCM: Uh, Tullia, I hate to tell you this, but this isn't your
>>> school... I'm not your student...
>>>
>>> Gratias tibi ago,
>>>
>>> D. Mento
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87234 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Salvete Omnes!
I've got to agree with the sentiment here.  Forums are much easier to follow than email lists.  As it stands now, I find myself buried in emails from the lists, which makes things a bit overwhelming.  A forum organizes things much more easily.  Overall it's a much better way to communicate, and it's definitely something worth looking into.
Valete!
Gaius Decius Laterensis

--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Yehya <yehya_61@...> wrote:

From: Yehya <yehya_61@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 7:57 AM
















 









Salve!



"Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have

time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we receive the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room, but it seems only one person showed up, and it does take two or more to have a conversation- -outside of the loony bin, anyway."



Although I agree with you about chat (it only works of those who have the time at a specific time are available) I also agree that Yahoo Groups are one of the worst ways to communicate online. A decent forum where we could set up different folders and start threads and post to the threads and read prior ones without needing to sort through prior emails would go a long way to upgrading the experience.



Most Fora also have a new posts function that shows you the new posts since you last signed on so you don't need to go "prowling around". It is far easier to follow a discussion such as this without all the annoying >>> indicators thrown in and no need to look through five days ago emails to follow the thread to it's conclusion.



Simply put Yahoo Groups spells cheap and second rate. Is that the message we want to send to both our citizens and outsiders? Remember a decent forum could have a public anyone can register), private (members only), and restricted (certain members like Senators only) sections without too much security issues.



I can show examples of hundreds of different forums like this such as "Roman Army Talk".



I don't mind contributing money or paying taxes but if all it is to do is support free email list or two and a basic website I have to wonder why?



If you are looking for ways to grow Nova Roma then listen to what the new members are telling you. If you want to keep it a small exclusive blub for the convenience of a few older members then continue on as you have but do not expect to ever grow.



Vale!



























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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87235 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Ave!

The perfect solution would be one that utilizes both functions. Then the
user decides what is best for them. I know personally I would prefer
email. But others perfer a forum setting. NR originally started with
forums way back in the day but email just proved easier. If there is a way
to create functionality that both would work and that responses to emails
also showed up in forums (and vice versa) this would be ideal, I believe.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Salvete Omnes!
> I've got to agree with the sentiment here. Forums are much easier to
> follow than email lists. As it stands now, I find myself buried in emails
> from the lists, which makes things a bit overwhelming. A forum organizes
> things much more easily. Overall it's a much better way to communicate,
> and it's definitely something worth looking into.
> Valete!
> Gaius Decius Laterensis
>
> --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Yehya <yehya_61@...> wrote:
>
> From: Yehya <yehya_61@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 7:57 AM
>
>
>
> Salve!
>
> "Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have
>
> time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we
> receive the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room, but it
> seems only one person showed up, and it does take two or more to have a
> conversation- -outside of the loony bin, anyway."
>
> Although I agree with you about chat (it only works of those who have the
> time at a specific time are available) I also agree that Yahoo Groups are
> one of the worst ways to communicate online. A decent forum where we could
> set up different folders and start threads and post to the threads and read
> prior ones without needing to sort through prior emails would go a long way
> to upgrading the experience.
>
> Most Fora also have a new posts function that shows you the new posts
> since you last signed on so you don't need to go "prowling around". It is
> far easier to follow a discussion such as this without all the annoying >>>
> indicators thrown in and no need to look through five days ago emails to
> follow the thread to it's conclusion.
>
> Simply put Yahoo Groups spells cheap and second rate. Is that the message
> we want to send to both our citizens and outsiders? Remember a decent forum
> could have a public anyone can register), private (members only), and
> restricted (certain members like Senators only) sections without too much
> security issues.
>
> I can show examples of hundreds of different forums like this such as
> "Roman Army Talk".
>
> I don't mind contributing money or paying taxes but if all it is to do is
> support free email list or two and a basic website I have to wonder why?
>
> If you are looking for ways to grow Nova Roma then listen to what the new
> members are telling you. If you want to keep it a small exclusive blub for
> the convenience of a few older members then continue on as you have but do
> not expect to ever grow.
>
> Vale!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87236 From: Glenn Thacker Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
I'm pretty sure that most forum software includes a function that allows you to be notified of new posts by email.  However, I doubt that would allow for replying by email, so it's not a perfect solution.  But, neither is the current one, honestly.

--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...> wrote:

From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 1:40 PM

Ave!

The perfect solution would be one that utilizes both functions.  Then the
user decides what is best for them.  I know personally I would prefer
email.  But others perfer a forum setting.  NR originally started with
forums way back in the day but email just proved easier.  If there is a way
to create functionality that both would work and that responses to emails
also showed up in forums (and vice versa) this would be ideal, I believe.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Salvete Omnes!
> I've got to agree with the sentiment here.  Forums are much easier to
> follow than email lists.  As it stands now, I find myself buried in emails
> from the lists, which makes things a bit overwhelming.  A forum organizes
> things much more easily.  Overall it's a much better way to communicate,
> and it's definitely something worth looking into.
> Valete!
> Gaius Decius Laterensis
>
> --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Yehya <yehya_61@...> wrote:
>
> From: Yehya <yehya_61@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 7:57 AM
>
>
>
> Salve!
>
> "Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have
>
> time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we
> receive the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room, but it
> seems only one person showed up, and it does take two or more to have a
> conversation- -outside of the loony bin, anyway."
>
> Although I agree with you about chat (it only works of those who have the
> time at a specific time are available) I also agree that Yahoo Groups are
> one of the worst ways to communicate online. A decent forum where we could
> set up different folders and start threads and post to the threads and read
> prior ones without needing to sort through prior emails would go a long way
> to upgrading the experience.
>
> Most Fora also have a new posts function that shows you the new posts
> since you last signed on so you don't need to go "prowling around". It is
> far easier to follow a discussion such as this without all the annoying >>>
> indicators thrown in and no need to look through five days ago emails to
> follow the thread to it's conclusion.
>
> Simply put Yahoo Groups spells cheap and second rate. Is that the message
> we want to send to both our citizens and outsiders? Remember a decent forum
> could have a public anyone can register), private (members only), and
> restricted (certain members like Senators only) sections without too much
> security issues.
>
> I can show examples of hundreds of different forums like this such as
> "Roman Army Talk".
>
> I don't mind contributing money or paying taxes but if all it is to do is
> support free email list or two and a basic website I have to wonder why?
>
> If you are looking for ways to grow Nova Roma then listen to what the new
> members are telling you. If you want to keep it a small exclusive blub for
> the convenience of a few older members then continue on as you have but do
> not expect to ever grow.
>
> Vale!
>
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>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87237 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma means the world to me. Someone's got to do it. Appreci
Omnibus in foro S. P. D.



First, thank you for this post! Now ...I am going to blatantly offer my personal opinions. Some will disagree with me, but that, also, is a part of being in a living community, because we end up being an amalgam of all the different views, and the workable ideas tend to "float" to the surface, get tried, get accepted, and become part of what we do.



What we *are* and what we *do*, though related, are not the same things. We are a community of people who are building a working Roman Republic in a modern setting. We are people who are dedicated to Roman values, and believe that these values can be a force for good in our modern world. We are people who believe that studying Roman history, Roman culture, and possibly the Latin language are positive endeavors, and that creating a place where such things can be discussed and encouraged provides a valuable resource, or can, at any rate. Some of us practice the ancient Roman religion, and want a place where that can be done, both publicly and privately.



In short, we are, by choice, citizens of a modern Roman Republic. Perhaps, some day, we will have a brick and mortar location, but, until then, we have ourselves, and we have the means by which we can work together, and that, of course, is the net.



There are many ways to do what will need to be done to achieve our goals, which are stated beautifully on our web site, and in our Declaratio, which I suggest you read, if you haven't. However, in order to achieve those goals, it is essential that we create a strong foundation, one that can support and make achievement possible. Yes, we have existed for over a decade, and we have done some things well, and we have had serious problems. I think, at one point, we tried to do too much too fast, and didn't have the foundation to support our efforts, so many of them came to nothing. But I also think that we can build ourselves, slowly and with meticulous care, so that we will once again become both a source of information and a place which will attract scholars in all areas, authors, musicians, and other experts in fields relevant to Rome and to us.



Right now, we are in the process of re-building our foundational structure. This is a very difficult time, but also a wonderfully challenging time, as well, and what we do now could very well either make us viable in the long term, or make it impossible for us to thrive.



Yes, it is slow work, and no, there is not much fun about it, but, as citizens, it is extremely important, and it is important that *all* citizens do what they can to support it, even if what they do is express opposing viewpoints.



On a more practical matter, we did have a Facebook prototype, which was beginning to attract citizens, though slowly. However, it was created on a volunteer basis by a new citizen, and when he had to leave, there was no one able to continue his work, because no one else could get into the "guts" of the working um program? and keep it running. This isn't the first time such a thing has happened, and so we are working toward making our products more accessible to our magistrates, so that contributions do not leave with their creators.



As to Nova Roman products, yes, they are an excellent idea, but again, we need to create the right venue for presenting them, and monitoring them to ensure that they do, in fact, benefit Nova Roma. These things will be considered and worked out, but *only* after we have a foundation strong enough to support them.



We do offer excellent formal training in Latin, and we do support its use, although anything posted on the main list must be translated, in deference to our citizens who either do not read Latin, or are just learning it.



I don't like message boards for personal reasons that apply only to me, but if we decide to create one, I would certainly support it. In summary, then, I *am* a Nova Roman, and I *do* whatever I can to support the community to which I belong, and into which I came, by choice.



Valete!

C. Maria Caeca




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87238 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia D. Mentoni A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibusque S.P.D.

Someone had sugar this morning. Some commentary below. <some snippage for
brevity sake>

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM, D. Cornelius Mento <
decimuscorneliusmento@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Tullia,
>
> Just look at this email thread. It's mess.
>
> > ATS: Pick your favorite racing team: white, green, blue,
> red, and contact the head of that faction, or just watch and root for
> your favorite. I expect that later on the heads of the factiones will
> make themselves known. Typically the races are written up by an
> aedilician quaestor or scriba, and posted to the ML, though sometimes
> they are simply put on a separate site. They may not be as interesting
> as the Triple Crown, but we try to make them interesting and colorful,
> referring to our own citizens. Perhaps you will appear in one or more
> of the write ups...
>
> DCM: Sounds like a blast.
>

SCA: Actually it's fun once you get into the swing of it, the Aedilician
Cohors can be quite creative.

>
> > ATS: Neither can some of us. We can�t access the censorial
> mailbox, for example. As for formatting, I don�t see how standard
> letter format (salutation, body of text, and closing) can be confusing,
> but too many citizens omit the salutation and / or the closing, making
> things less gracious and more confusing. However, the wiki did grow
> like Topsy, and it is in need of organization. We are working on our IT
> issues after considerable difficulties you did not observe, and this
> will take some time to sort out.
>
> DCM: Well this should be telling you NOT to dig your heals in and start
> looking around for new ideas.
>

> > ATS: The Latin wiki is a mess in which students think they
> know more than world-class Latinists and delete the accurate work of the
> Latinists in favor of nonsense from self-important students. If that
> appeals to you, fine, but please be aware that the material there is
> more likely to be erroneous than that in the English wiki, and the Latin
> may well be, too.
>
> DCM: It�s not a question of whether it appeals to me, Tullia, it is a
> statement that the poorly handled Vicipaedia holds more interest than
> the Nova Roma site. Vicipaedia has news and social interest stories, as
> a beginner I�m not as concerned about pure Latin as you. I also visit
> http://ephemeris.alcuinus.net/ another Latin language news site. What�s
> wrong with that one? Do you know a good Roman/Latin sites that can compare?
>

SCA: That is a good question Scholastica, perhaps if you suggested some
sites that are up to your standards that Mento can find. Maybe this debate
may simmer down?

>
> > ATS: Our numbers have been reduced because many long-time
> citizens from one political faction left due to some political events
> over the last couple of years. There had been previous departures in
> large numbers as well.
> >
> > Some of the leaders do want NR to thrive, but some are
> content to insult people whose opinions differ from their own and to
> drive those individuals out. Unless and until these disruptive and
> argumentative sorts are somehow restrained, we will not regain our
> former numbers. We also depend on interest in the general public; we
> cannot legislate interest in ancient Rome. If people are interested,
> they should be able to find us, but to keep them, we must offer them
> something, and not yelp every time that a language other than English is
> used without a translation. Some who can communicate very well in
> Latin, French, German, Spanish, etc., and who can read English cannot
> translate other languages into English. That is a special skill. We
> lost the opportunity to gain dozens, if not hundreds, of Latinists
> because of such silly requirements, and because those in a certain
> political faction are too right-brained and find it difficult to learn
> languages, they shoot those who use tongues other than English down.
> Some seem to believe that everything written in languages other than
> English represents a potential threat to NR, so woe betide the person
> who writes in any language other than that grammarless one stemming from
> England.
>

SCA: Going to remain neutral, because providing a translation is actually
quite helpful for those who may not understand what you are trying to say.
For example if I posted in complete German in Bavarian dialect how many
here would seriously understand what I say? Or entirely in Japanese would
you not wonder what I was saying, would you not see yourself asking me for
a English translation?

>
> DCM: Funny comments considering you feel it necessary to grade
> everyone's Latin. Lighten up, Funny Lady. Perhaps, for the good of
> Nova Roma you should look beyond only attracting Latinists.
>

SCA: Although I am disturbed by saying this. Being a Latinist is
Scholastica's niche, and you are not the only one who has suffered her
"ruler of Latin corrections and her mighty red pen". She is a teacher, we
cannot change what has literally been ingrained into the Magistra, perhaps
the alternative is she changes her tone where its more "instructional" and
less "critical". when she is correcting an individual's latin But and
again this is disturbing, what Sulla, you could simply ignore her (no
offense to the Magistra). I think Scholastica doesn't have a problem with
you bringing a sense of humor to the forum Mento, she just wants you to
post in correct Latin. I could be off the mark but I doubt it.

>
> >
> > ATS: I think you are aiming at the wrong party. The cold
> rule of law is Caesar�s department; he finds it quite comforting.
>

> DCM: Caesar�s not the one passing judgement on my postings, you are.
> Lighten up. If I knew the ancient Roman version of a smiley face, I
> would insert it. (Not that Yahoo Group email let's you insert images.)
>

SCA: Oh boy.

>
> > ATS: My guess is that a lot of manuscripts had plenty of
> mistakes, many introduced by poor copying on the part of the various
> monks who did this, writing all day long from the dictation of one of
> their number. Schools, my dear Mento, need not be all that serious,
> either; I try to make mine as lighthearted as possible, though in Sermo
> we must follow the dictates of Avitus, who indeed IS rather humorless.
> Even so, I do lighten up a bit...
>

SCA: Right. Perhaps we should more of this light hearted nature of yours
Magistra, it may dispel the ongoing myth :o).

Valete Optime,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87239 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Salvete,

I know places like Ez-Board and Proboards (that are message board forums)
have the option to receive notifications by e-mail, but not the feature
Sulla stated. I'm in favor as well of message boards, they are easier to
navigate and less volume traffic wise, but not everyone seemed into the
idea.

Who knows maybe Round 2 of the idea may fare better than Round 1.

Valete bene,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87240 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Mento's idea ...hmmm ...
C. Maria Caeca D. Cornelio Mentoni omnibusque in foro S. P. D.

Please consider what I have say as brainstorming. I am intrigued by your idea, Mento, for 3 reasons. 1. It would provide an excellent way for citizens to interact. 2. Being Nova Romans, I think it is counter-productive for us to isolate ourselves from the world in which we live. We are, after all, creating a modern Roman Republic, founded in that which our Roman ancestors built, but it isn't a replication of the ancient Roman Republic, because we are not ancient Romans. Besides, if the ancients had access to our modern sports, they would have supported them, in addition to their own Ludi, I think, or, perhaps, made them into Ludi. Point is, I think we could do something along the lines you suggest, very easily, and I think it could be fun. 3. It won't cost Nova Roma anything, but more about that, in minute.

Now, I'm not sure that actual betting would be legal, and I suspect that it would be in violation of Yahoo touse guidelines. But...and this is just a possibility, maybe, suppose each faction sponsored, say, a football team. Suppose the members of that faction pledged that, if their team won the superbowl, those members would contribute a $$ amount to our treasury? It wouldn't have to be much, but would that be appropriate? Could we do it?

Now, Mento, let's flesh this out. How would it work? Would this be under the oversight of any of the magistrates? Which ones? I am assuming that, at least for the present, we would be posting to the main forum, and also interacting on the Factio lists. Is that correct? I'd like to hear thoughts on this, or to hear why it can't be done, if it can't.

I, for one, think this idea has some potential, and I think we should look at it more closely before dismissing it, out of hand.

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87241 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Mento's idea ...hmmm ...
D. Cornelius Mento C. Maria Caeca omnibusque in foro S. P. D.

The ancient Romans were famous for the willingness to appropriate new
ideas from new cultures. The famous Gladius sword was adopted when the
Romans encountered the Spaniards using them.

There are millions of way to bet without actually betting. Your
suggestion is fine, except I would make the loser pay to the treasury.
One, it would give an incentive to try and win and it would make 3
factions pay and not one.

One way is for all the bettors to pay ahead to a business associated
with Nova Roma (Amazon, a winery, etc) and the winners get the
pre-picked prize (gift certificate, wine, etc) sent to them. No one can
welch since you've pre-paid and Nova Roma gets a piece of the pie.
There are tons of ways.


We must have a site that generates traffic and as a result REVENUE.
Letting Yahoo make money off us is silly.

Vale, et valete,

D. Mento


On 2/22/2012 2:29 PM, C. Maria Caeca wrote:
>
> C. Maria Caeca D. Cornelio Mentoni omnibusque in foro S. P. D.
>
> Please consider what I have say as brainstorming. I am intrigued by
> your idea, Mento, for 3 reasons. 1. It would provide an excellent way
> for citizens to interact. 2. Being Nova Romans, I think it is
> counter-productive for us to isolate ourselves from the world in which
> we live. We are, after all, creating a modern Roman Republic, founded
> in that which our Roman ancestors built, but it isn't a replication of
> the ancient Roman Republic, because we are not ancient Romans.
> Besides, if the ancients had access to our modern sports, they would
> have supported them, in addition to their own Ludi, I think, or,
> perhaps, made them into Ludi. Point is, I think we could do something
> along the lines you suggest, very easily, and I think it could be fun.
> 3. It won't cost Nova Roma anything, but more about that, in minute.
>
> Now, I'm not sure that actual betting would be legal, and I suspect
> that it would be in violation of Yahoo touse guidelines. But...and
> this is just a possibility, maybe, suppose each faction sponsored,
> say, a football team. Suppose the members of that faction pledged
> that, if their team won the superbowl, those members would contribute
> a $$ amount to our treasury? It wouldn't have to be much, but would
> that be appropriate? Could we do it?
>
> Now, Mento, let's flesh this out. How would it work? Would this be
> under the oversight of any of the magistrates? Which ones? I am
> assuming that, at least for the present, we would be posting to the
> main forum, and also interacting on the Factio lists. Is that correct?
> I'd like to hear thoughts on this, or to hear why it can't be done, if
> it can't.
>
> I, for one, think this idea has some potential, and I think we should
> look at it more closely before dismissing it, out of hand.
>
> Valete bene!
> C. Maria Caeca
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87242 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
A Liburnius L. Cornelio Sullae omnibusque in foro salutem
 
I also prefer to have e-mail delivered to me, rather wasting time going to different URLs, logging in and searching multiple lists for messages. I forward to my e-mail box all E-mail messages (mostly in daily digest format) from mailing lists using other formats, like Google as an example. If a forum does not offer such service, I do not join.
 
BTW, there is a way to add emoticons (smileys) to your Yahoo postings: use the "rich test format" option. It will also allow you to format using different fonts, font sizes, colors, indentations, etc... include attachments and run a basic spelling check.
 
It works very well for individual messages, less well if you post directly to the list. 
 
Vale atque valete optime
ALH 
 
From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum

Ave!

The perfect solution would be one that utilizes both functions.  Then the
user decides what is best for them.  I know personally I would prefer
email.  But others perfer a forum setting.  NR originally started with
forums way back in the day but email just proved easier.  If there is a way
to create functionality that both would work and that responses to emails
also showed up in forums (and vice versa) this would be ideal, I believe.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Salvete Omnes!
> I've got to agree with the sentiment here.  Forums are much easier to
> follow than email lists.  As it stands now, I find myself buried in emails
> from the lists, which makes things a bit overwhelming.  A forum organizes
> things much more easily.  Overall it's a much better way to communicate,
> and it's definitely something worth looking into.
> Valete!
> Gaius Decius Laterensis
>
> --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Yehya <yehya_61@...> wrote:
>
> From: Yehya <yehya_61@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 7:57 AM
>
>
>
> Salve!
>
> "Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have
>
> time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we
> receive the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room, but it
> seems only one person showed up, and it does take two or more to have a
> conversation- -outside of the loony bin, anyway."
>
> Although I agree with you about chat (it only works of those who have the
> time at a specific time are available) I also agree that Yahoo Groups are
> one of the worst ways to communicate online. A decent forum where we could
> set up different folders and start threads and post to the threads and read
> prior ones without needing to sort through prior emails would go a long way
> to upgrading the experience.
>
> Most Fora also have a new posts function that shows you the new posts
> since you last signed on so you don't need to go "prowling around". It is
> far easier to follow a discussion such as this without all the annoying >>>
> indicators thrown in and no need to look through five days ago emails to
> follow the thread to it's conclusion.
>
> Simply put Yahoo Groups spells cheap and second rate. Is that the message
> we want to send to both our citizens and outsiders? Remember a decent forum
> could have a public anyone can register), private (members only), and
> restricted (certain members like Senators only) sections without too much
> security issues.
>
> I can show examples of hundreds of different forums like this such as
> "Roman Army Talk".
>
> I don't mind contributing money or paying taxes but if all it is to do is
> support free email list or two and a basic website I have to wonder why?
>
> If you are looking for ways to grow Nova Roma then listen to what the new
> members are telling you. If you want to keep it a small exclusive blub for
> the convenience of a few older members then continue on as you have but do
> not expect to ever grow.
>
> Vale!
>
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>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87243 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Ring etc
Salvete When we first asked for the ring to be designed we had a special price for Nova Romans.We failed to generate the numbers that we said we could. Before I ask for a pendant or anything elsewe would have to know how many would want them or at least a number that would be reasonable to commit to. Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: fororom@...
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 02:51:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.




























A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Galerio Paulino S.P.D.



> Salvete http://www.eaglerings.com/SPQR_Ring.htm Here is the Nova Roman ring

> that has been on sale for a number of years. We will be ordering a new run of

> Nova Roman flags and maybe tee shirts soon.



Do you think that the ring company (or someone) might consider making

the ring design into a pendant, bracelet, brooch, etc., which we women might

be able to wear? The ring is far too large for the hands of us ladies, and

they would probably be rather uncomfortable if worn on our big toes. ;-)



Glad to hear you are merely postponing the flag matter; the size seems

small, like the original, but that is better than nothing.



Vale!



Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus

>> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

>> CC: luciaiuliaaquila@...

>> From: decimuscorneliusmento@...

>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:51:55 -0500

>> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.

>>

>> I am very disappointed with my Nova Roma experience. There is a lack

>> solidarity and humor here.

>>

>> Weren�t the Aediles responsible for public festivals? Where are the

>> organized meet ups or celebrations?

>>

>> What is it with this non existent online chariot racing I�m supposed to

>> be getting excited over? Why not just meet up at the OTB or race track

>> and each color back a horse and pool their bets? Or just watch the

>> Belmont Stakes or Preakness on TV and do the same thing? That will make

>> things more interesting.

>>

>> I fail to understand why there isn�t a real forum site with posting

>> boards and chat rooms for us to get to. We could all watch a TV show

>> together and post in real time, etc. And chatting, like language

>> immersion, will get our Latin acumen up. Yahoo mail is the best free

>> mail out there, but their groups are ugly and clumsy. It�s not that

>> expensive. Nova Roma without it�s own online FORUM, how ironic.

>>

>> I�d be reluctant to pay �taxes� until I see some value in this, but why

>> you aren�t selling hats, flags, rings, jewelry, clothing with Nova Roma

>> branding is inconceivable. I�d buy a ton of that stuff.

>>

>> I am timid about posting with the humorless Tullia Scholastica floating

>> out there waiting to pounce upon any incorrect Latin with large font

>> graffiti style postings. So if I don�t have time to translate a quick

>> joke or something of interest properly I just don�t post it. Learn how

>> to use the line out and highlight function Tullia, it�ll make your

>> ceaseless fortitude more readable.

>>

>> Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be.

>>

>>

>> Vale, et valete,

>>

>> D. Mento

>>

>>

>>

>> On 2/20/2012 11:16 PM, luciaiuliaaquila wrote:

>>>

>>> Iulia Quiritibus S.P.D.

>>>

>>> The discussion about finances, taxes and profits brought to mind a few

>>> questions. And comments.

>>> I keep hearing we don't have a product to "sell" - no value added

>>> incentive to encourage people to pay their taxes.

>>> In the past we did have a value added incentive. We had vision. We had

>>> dreams that varied from citizen to citizen as to how NR would impact

>>> their lives. Many of us thought we might someday be living as New

>>> Romans in a New Roman community � and that meant something different

>>> to each citizen.

>>> That idea of community varied vastly from individual to individual. A

>>> few hold out that this could still be a reality. Some were, and are,

>>> happy to practice and incorporate Romanitas in their own lives. Some

>>> were, and are, weekend reconstructionists.

>>> But we all, well most, had that vision for NR whether or not we lived

>>> in a physical Nova Roma.

>>>

>>> We were so busy skirmishing that few thought to look to the future and

>>> those that had their proposals die in infancy, never to take the first

>>> breath.

>>>

>>> After being in Nova Roma for a short while I was told by a very good

>>> friend:

>>> "Nova Roma eats her own."

>>> I've seen it so many times in the past I have lost count. Nova Roma

>>> has feasted well at that smorgasbord.

>>>

>>> So now here we stand almost back at square one, rebuilding our

>>> foundation and yet we still do not have a goal that we can all agree on..

>>>

>>> It's not good enough to say we can save the profits. Personally I

>>> think a small membership fee should accompany each application � it

>>> will have more value to the applicant. We have to have a definitive

>>> plan and a specific tangible goal(s) for the profit.

>>>

>>> That is value added incentive.

>>>

>>> I ask each of my fellow citizens what does Nova Roma mean to you?

>>> What is your goal in Nova Roma?

>>> Where would you like to see her in 10 years?

>>>

>>> We have to contemplate those questions.

>>> Because first we have to know just what it is we want, then decide

>>> what is realistic, then set goals that will benefit from the profit.

>>>

>>> Julia

>>> Nasburgi Scribebat

>>> prid. Id. Feb � Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos. � MMDCCLXV

>>>

>>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,

>>> "petronius_dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus salutem,

>>>>

>>>> It is possible that the new citizens joining the Main List feel

>>> something odd with the apparent calm which seems closer to a sort of

>>> death.

>>>>

>>>> Nova Roma is in a sort of crossroad and obviously the senators and

>>> the magistrates are more preoccupated in working to find solutions

>>> than to speak on the main list.

>>>>

>>>> My fellow new citizens, you have to understand that for the moment

>>> we have Senate's meetings very important. The tribunes gave you the

>>> agenda of the current meeting. They have given you too the results of

>>> the votes in the last meeting of January. I ask you to read the

>>> Tribune report. I want to hear your advices in this Forum. More we

>>> will have debates and discusses more we will be able to find solutions

>>> fair towards each of us.

>>>>

>>>> A big problem of Nova Roma is to survive with enough money mainly to

>>> pay the website location and to pay a voting place per year with less

>>> citizens every year paying their taxes. We have too to pay debts of

>>> the last years. The amount of Nova Roma's expenses is $3915,00 as you

>>> may know it in reading the tribune's report.

>>>>

>>>> My opinion is:

>>>> More we will be, less we will pay.

>>>>

>>>> Last Nova Roma's census shows us that the big majority of the

>>> citizens, called capite censi, pay nothing. My opinion is that the

>>> citizenship must have a price. My proposal is $24,00 per year. Id est

>>> $2,00 per month.

>>>>

>>>> So if any citizen, the current 125 taxpayers (assidui) and the 370

>>> free of taxes (capite censi) pay each $24,00 for the year 2012, Nova

>>> Roma will have $11 880,00 for a provided yearly expenses of $3915,00.

>>>>

>>>> As we do not need to make such profit, if you want all to pay your

>>> citizenship tax, we must make it lower.

>>>>

>>>> As Nova Roma needs $3915,00 for existing this year, if all the 495

>>> citizens pay their tax, a tax of $8,00 will suffice.

>>>>

>>>> Are you ready, my fellow citizens, to pay $8,00 for the existence of

>>> Nova Roma? I want to know your advices. This Main List is yours. You

>>> have the right to freely speak. Use it.

>>>>

>>>> Invade the Forum. Give your points of view! Are you trully

>>> interested in Nova Roma goals? Do you want that Nova Roma continues?

>>> Do you share the dream to make it a reality?

>>>>

>>>> Read, please, the Declaration of the founders:

>>>> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Declaration_(Nova_Roma)

>>>> and make it your!

>>>>

>>>> Optime valete.

>>>>

>>>> C. Petronius Dexter

>>>> Arcoiali scribebat

>>>> XII Kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.

>>>

>>

>>




















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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87244 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Ave!

Yep! :)

I have it all divided out into subfolders information that I want to keep
at a moments notice like if somenoe has questions about the fiances or
such. That can't be done in forums. I have always preferred email to
forums. It is much more manageable on my end and I can manage it how I
like.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Bruno Zani <reenbru@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> A Liburnius L. Cornelio Sullae omnibusque in foro salutem
>
> I also prefer to have e-mail delivered to me, rather wasting time going to
> different URLs, logging in and searching multiple lists for messages. I
> forward to my e-mail box all E-mail messages (mostly in daily digest
> format) from mailing lists using other formats, like Google as an
> example. If a forum does not offer such service, I do not join.
>
> BTW, there is a way to add emoticons (smileys) to your Yahoo postings: use
> the "rich test format" option. It will also allow you to format
> using different fonts, font sizes, colors, indentations, etc... include
> attachments and run a basic spelling check.
>
> It works very well for individual messages, less well if you post directly
> to the list.
>
> Vale atque valete optime
> ALH
>
> From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:40 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
>
> Ave!
>
> The perfect solution would be one that utilizes both functions. Then the
> user decides what is best for them. I know personally I would prefer
> email. But others perfer a forum setting. NR originally started with
> forums way back in the day but email just proved easier. If there is a way
> to create functionality that both would work and that responses to emails
> also showed up in forums (and vice versa) this would be ideal, I believe.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > Salvete Omnes!
> > I've got to agree with the sentiment here. Forums are much easier to
> > follow than email lists. As it stands now, I find myself buried in
> emails
> > from the lists, which makes things a bit overwhelming. A forum organizes
> > things much more easily. Overall it's a much better way to communicate,
> > and it's definitely something worth looking into.
> > Valete!
> > Gaius Decius Laterensis
> >
> > --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Yehya <yehya_61@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Yehya <yehya_61@...>
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 7:57 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve!
> >
> > "Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have
> >
> > time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we
> > receive the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room, but
> it
> > seems only one person showed up, and it does take two or more to have a
> > conversation- -outside of the loony bin, anyway."
> >
> > Although I agree with you about chat (it only works of those who have the
> > time at a specific time are available) I also agree that Yahoo Groups are
> > one of the worst ways to communicate online. A decent forum where we
> could
> > set up different folders and start threads and post to the threads and
> read
> > prior ones without needing to sort through prior emails would go a long
> way
> > to upgrading the experience.
> >
> > Most Fora also have a new posts function that shows you the new posts
> > since you last signed on so you don't need to go "prowling around". It is
> > far easier to follow a discussion such as this without all the annoying
> >>>
> > indicators thrown in and no need to look through five days ago emails to
> > follow the thread to it's conclusion.
> >
> > Simply put Yahoo Groups spells cheap and second rate. Is that the message
> > we want to send to both our citizens and outsiders? Remember a decent
> forum
> > could have a public anyone can register), private (members only), and
> > restricted (certain members like Senators only) sections without too much
> > security issues.
> >
> > I can show examples of hundreds of different forums like this such as
> > "Roman Army Talk".
> >
> > I don't mind contributing money or paying taxes but if all it is to do is
> > support free email list or two and a basic website I have to wonder why?
> >
> > If you are looking for ways to grow Nova Roma then listen to what the new
> > members are telling you. If you want to keep it a small exclusive blub
> for
> > the convenience of a few older members then continue on as you have but
> do
> > not expect to ever grow.
> >
> > Vale!
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
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>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87245 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salve Mento,
> presumptuous people who defend their right to be ignorant are one of the
> types of people who caused the decline of Nova Roma.
>
> ATS: I suspect that you are right there, Livia. There are far too many
> people here who do indeed defend their right to be ignorant, notably about
> languages other than English and cultures other than American.
>
>
> In fact, I think you fit in here much better than Tullia Scholastica does.
>
> ATS: That may be true, but Mento seems to be someone who is very fond of
> jokes and does not like to take things seriously. There is nothing wrong with
> that...up to a point. The point is crossed when the likes of high
> intelligence, academic interests, a desire for correctness regarding languages
> and information, etc., are shot down. It is also crossed when insulting those
> who do not share one’s political views is the preferred way of dealing with
> the world, as is the case with some here.
>
> Vale,
> Livia
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D. Cornelius Mento" <decimuscorneliusmento@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Cc: "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@....>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro
> Romano.
>
> On 2/21/2012 5:58 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica wrote:
>> >
>> > A. Tullia Scholastica D. Cornelio Mentoni quiritibus bonae voluntatis
>> > S.P.D.
>> >
>>> > > I am very disappointed with my Nova Roma experience. There is a lack
>>> > > solidarity and humor here.
>> >
>> > Oh, it's there--but perhaps not obvious on the ML.
>> >
>
> Well isn't that a problem then if the goal is to build a community, Tullia?
>
>> >
>>> > > What is it with this non existent online chariot racing I�m supposed to
>>> > > be getting excited over? Why not just meet up at the OTB or race track
>>> > > and each color back a horse and pool their bets? Or just watch the
>>> > > Belmont Stakes or Preakness on TV and do the same thing? That will make
>>> > > things more interesting.
>> >
>> > Our ludi can be quite entertaining. They have not yet begun, so please
>> > give it a chance.
>> >
>
> I was here for last year's ludi and I didn't have a clue what was going
> on. Join a team? Where? How? Chariot race by email?
>
>>> > >
>>> > > I fail to understand why there isn�t a real forum site with posting
>>> > > boards and chat rooms for us to get to.
>> >
>> > Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have
>> > time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we
>> > receive
>> > the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room, but it seems
>> > only one person showed up, and it does take two or more to have a
>> > conversation--outside of the loony bin, anyway.
>> >
>
> This is the logic that explains why myspace is going extinct. I get
> email from a half a dozen Nova Roma groups and some I'm not supposed to
> respond to, some I am. They are always confusingly formatted. You
> should be able to go to NovaRoma.org and get your notices, chat rooms,
> retail sales, forums for specific topics, official notifications,
> votings all in one place. Make people want to go there. Site traffic
> alone can generate income. Do you understand that, Tullia? Site
> traffic can generate revenue for the Nova Roma state? I still can't log
> into anything other then the civic album. You want everything in email
> form, Tullia, it can be sent to you that way. I belong to an Oracle
> forum and that's exactly what my experience is like.
>
> I spend much more time on the Wikipedia Latin page (Vicipaedia) then on
> NovaRoma.org or groups.
>
>> >
>>> > >We could all watch a TV show
>>> > > together and post in real time, etc. And chatting, like language
>>> > > immersion, will get our Latin acumen up. Yahoo mail is the best free
>>> > > mail out there, but their groups are ugly and clumsy. It�s not that
>>> > > expensive. Nova Roma without it�s own online FORUM, how ironic.
>>> > >
>>> > > I�d be reluctant to pay �taxes� until I see some value in this, but why
>>> > > you aren�t selling hats, flags, rings, jewelry, clothing with Nova Roma
>>> > > branding is inconceivable. I�d buy a ton of that stuff.
>> >
>> > We have done so, and are working on a flag. A ring may still be
>> > available. I believe we have also had T-shirts and sweatshirts. Give it a
>> > chance; our numbers have been greatly reduced.
>> >
>
> I'm not surprised your numbers have been greatly reduced. I want Nova
> Roma to thrive. I'm not seeing the same attitude from the leadership
>
>>> > >
>>> > > I am timid about posting with the humorless Tullia Scholastica floating
>>> > > out there waiting to pounce upon any incorrect Latin with large font
>>> > > graffiti style postings.
>> >
>> > I regret to inform you that I am not humorless; in fact, quite the
>> > opposite is true. Latin which is incorrect cannot be understood; as a
>> > highly inflected Indo-European language, Latin (Greek, Sanskrit, German,
>> > Russian...) depends on suffixes to convey meaning, and those suffixes must
>> > be correct. I tell my Grammatica students that Latin words are modest and
>> > do not go out in public without g-strings and pasties at a minimum; they
>> > have to add a lot more at times so that they can go out and interact with
>> > other Latin words.
>> >
> I'm sure you regret it tremendously. If I'm staring a joke thread at
> the behest of the higher ups, stay light hearted and go with the flow.
> Don't bring everything down with your cold rule of law. We all are not
> your Grammatica students. Until I pay for your services...
>
>> >
>>> > > So if I don�t have time to translate a quick
>>> > > joke or something of interest properly I just don�t post it. Learn how
>>> > > to use the line out and highlight function Tullia, it�ll make your
>>> > > ceaseless fortitude more readable.
>> >
>> > Sorry, but my system does not do such things. Why don't you pick up a
>> > copy of Wheelock and learn proper Latin?
>> >
>
> LOL. So if you found an original manuscript from Plautius you would
> send it back if it had too many grammatical mistakes? This is a
> friendly community, not school.
>
>>> > >
>>> > > Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be.
>> >
>> > You might want to contribute meaningfully to NR to make it more pleasing
>> > to you. Ecce is not the way to do that, nor is mangled Latin.
>> >
>
> Like I said, Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be and you telling
> me basically to lump it or leave it is short sighted.
>
> You may not like the "Ecce" that I use to punctuate a conversation but
> how many people post at all? OK, Tullia, you may get me to stop posting
> but that's only going to leave a tent group worth of people saying
> anything. Think beyond your little mantle of power Tullia; try and
> think what is good for Nova Roma.
>
> Gratias tibi ago.
>
> D. Mento
>
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>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87246 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Decio Laterensi quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salvete Omnes!
> I've got to agree with the sentiment here.  Forums are much easier to follow
> than email lists.  As it stands now, I find myself buried in emails from the
> lists, which makes things a bit overwhelming.  A forum organizes things much
> more easily.  Overall it's a much better way to communicate, and
> it's definitely something worth looking into.
>
>
> ATS: Provincia Nova Britannia used to have (may still have) a forum set
> up by a former governor who left NR (dis gratias, given her nature...).
> Hardly anyone used it, and I think it finally was abandoned. E-mail can be
> put into folders on one¹s computer by the use of mail rules, and (as always)
> one does not have to read everything which lands in one¹s mailbox. Do you
> read junk mail the postal carrier brings? If something doesn¹t interest you,
> or is in a language you don¹t know, just skip it! This method has been tried,
> and found wanting for NR purposes. I think I am on about 80 Yahoo lists, and
> I do not have time to visit the sites of all of them, or even most of them.
> Some of our citizens have pointed this out; we prefer e-mail. Such a system
> might work for the newest citizens who may be on one or two lists, but it is
> not helpful for those who are (or were) magistrates and have been here a
> while. Perhaps something like NewRoman or the Forum Hospitum could be set up
> in such a fashion for the newer citizens, several of whom have asked about
> this system over the years. You are not the first, and won¹t be the last, but
> it just doesn¹t work well for most of us.
>
>
>
>
> Valete!
> Gaius Decius Laterensis
>
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Yehya <yehya_61@... <mailto:yehya_61%40yahoo.com> >
> wrote:
>
> From: Yehya <yehya_61@... <mailto:yehya_61%40yahoo.com> >
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 7:57 AM
>
>  
>
> Salve!
>
> "Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have
>
> time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we receive
> the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room, but it seems only
> one person showed up, and it does take two or more to have a conversation-
> -outside of the loony bin, anyway."
>
> Although I agree with you about chat (it only works of those who have the time
> at a specific time are available) I also agree that Yahoo Groups are one of
> the worst ways to communicate online. A decent forum where we could set up
> different folders and start threads and post to the threads and read prior
> ones without needing to sort through prior emails would go a long way to
> upgrading the experience.
>
> Most Fora also have a new posts function that shows you the new posts since
> you last signed on so you don't need to go "prowling around". It is far easier
> to follow a discussion such as this without all the annoying >>> indicators
> thrown in and no need to look through five days ago emails to follow the
> thread to it's conclusion.
>
> Simply put Yahoo Groups spells cheap and second rate. Is that the message we
> want to send to both our citizens and outsiders? Remember a decent forum could
> have a public anyone can register), private (members only), and restricted
> (certain members like Senators only) sections without too much security
> issues.
>
> I can show examples of hundreds of different forums like this such as "Roman
> Army Talk".
>
> I don't mind contributing money or paying taxes but if all it is to do is
> support free email list or two and a basic website I have to wonder why?
>
> If you are looking for ways to grow Nova Roma then listen to what the new
> members are telling you. If you want to keep it a small exclusive blub for the
> convenience of a few older members then continue on as you have but do not
> expect to ever grow.
>
> Vale!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87247 From: Yehya Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: Mento's idea ...hmmm ...
Salve!

"I am suprised by the dissapointment felt by some. However so far
as a newly branded citizen in Nova Roma, I do not feel dissapointed.
The website has a wealth of information. We have highly knowledgable citizens who can assist those of us who are new to learning things like Latin."

What I was offering was more in the line of constructive criticism not full fledged disappointment.

Simply put Yahoo groups is an idea that technology has mostly passed by. I am a member of probably a dozen different forums for various interests and a few Yahoo groups and the groups tend to strike me as less structured, harder to follow discussions, and harder to research old topics. Yes there is a wealth of knowledge here but if I want to research what someone said about something three months ago I can't go to the relevant thread, I need to remember the correct month and search through all the posts with that in the heading to see if I can find it. so that wealth of knowledge tends to be under utilized.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a separate section on Latin questions moderated by a Latin expert, a section listing decrees from the Senate instead of sprinkled through different email groups, a section for getting to know one another, or for religious discussion? Or how about one on Roman philosophy or history?

Vale!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87248 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Wow, I love this! It's so great to be mentioned as a "funding source" after
a $ 20 donation. It makes me feel so important! Thanks!

> Ave!
>
> Mento, just ignore livia too. lol She has a vested reason to do her best
> to criticize NR, she is one of the funding sources of the RPR, or so I
> have
> been told. Just like her outing of Audens, there is always a motive
> behind
> her messages.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM, D. Cornelius Mento <
> decimuscorneliusmento@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Oh my!
>>
>> Livia, what was that for?
>>
>> Who's being presumptuous? I was asking not to be attacked for a
>> light-hearted posting I was asked to start by the higher ups. It was
>> presumptuous of Tullia to grade my posting like a term paper and when I
>> asked her not to do such obnoxious things she got high handed.
>>
>> So, if I invite you to a party, I'm allowed to publicly criticize your
>> dress, Livia?
>>
>> So what you're saying is stumbling beginner Latin speakers are not
>> welcome here?
>>
>> Good going, Livia.
>>
>> D. Mento
>>
>>
>> On 2/22/2012 6:27 AM, L. Livia Plauta wrote:
>> >
>> > Salve Mento,
>> > presumptuous people who defend their right to be ignorant are one of
>> > the
>> > types of people who caused the decline of Nova Roma.
>> > In fact, I think you fit in here much better than Tullia Scholastica
>> does.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> > Livia
>> >
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87249 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
voluntatis S.P.D.

> Sta. Cornelia Aeternia D. Mentoni A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibusque S.P.D.
>
> Someone had sugar this morning.

Who? And what is the significance thereof?

> Some commentary below. <some snippage for
> brevity sake>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM, D. Cornelius Mento <
> decimuscorneliusmento@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Tullia,
>>
>> Just look at this email thread. It's mess.
>>
>>> ATS: Pick your favorite racing team: white, green, blue,
>> red, and contact the head of that faction, or just watch and root for
>> your favorite. I expect that later on the heads of the factiones will
>> make themselves known. Typically the races are written up by an
>> aedilician quaestor or scriba, and posted to the ML, though sometimes
>> they are simply put on a separate site. They may not be as interesting
>> as the Triple Crown, but we try to make them interesting and colorful,
>> referring to our own citizens. Perhaps you will appear in one or more
>> of the write ups...
>>
>> DCM: Sounds like a blast.
>>
>
> SCA: Actually it's fun once you get into the swing of it, the Aedilician
> Cohors can be quite creative.

ATS: Yes, it is. Gratification is not quite as instant as some might
like, however.
>
>>
<snip>
>
>>> ATS: The Latin wiki is a mess in which students think they
>> know more than world-class Latinists and delete the accurate work of the
>> Latinists in favor of nonsense from self-important students. If that
>> appeals to you, fine, but please be aware that the material there is
>> more likely to be erroneous than that in the English wiki, and the Latin
>> may well be, too.
>>
>> DCM: It�s not a question of whether it appeals to me, Tullia, it is a
>> statement that the poorly handled Vicipaedia holds more interest than
>> the Nova Roma site. Vicipaedia has news and social interest stories, as
>> a beginner I�m not as concerned about pure Latin as you. I also visit
>> http://ephemeris.alcuinus.net/ another Latin language news site. What�s
>> wrong with that one? Do you know a good Roman/Latin sites that can compare?
>>
>
> SCA: That is a good question Scholastica, perhaps if you suggested some
> sites that are up to your standards that Mento can find. Maybe this debate
> may simmer down?

ATS2: Ephemeris is a good site, affiliated with the Grex Latiné
Loquentium, an all-Latin mailing list populated by some of the best
Latinists in the world--and some NR citizens, too, including a certain C.
Petronius Dexter, who posts there with some frequency, and a certain ATS,
who does not, but does upon occasion. The teachers on that list are too
busy...even the ones who are not in NR.

I expect that the rest of the Senate will now sign up with the GLL,
being so interested in Latin...

YLE Radio in Finland has written and audio news items as well, and is
quite good. They keep changing their URL, and since I do not go trolling
the net looking for things to do (I have plenty to keep me busy without
that), I can't provide it, but it might be linked to the Ephemeris site or
the GLL. There are other groups and sites of interest, but like these, most
require a knowledge of Latin, as do the conventicula, one of which will be
in LA and another at Dickinson College in Pennsylvania this coming summer.
There are several in Europe, but I don't have the information on those yet.
>
>>
>>> ATS: Our numbers have been reduced because many long-time
>> citizens from one political faction left due to some political events
>> over the last couple of years. There had been previous departures in
>> large numbers as well.
>>>
>>> Some of the leaders do want NR to thrive, but some are
>> content to insult people whose opinions differ from their own and to
>> drive those individuals out. Unless and until these disruptive and
>> argumentative sorts are somehow restrained, we will not regain our
>> former numbers. We also depend on interest in the general public; we
>> cannot legislate interest in ancient Rome. If people are interested,
>> they should be able to find us, but to keep them, we must offer them
>> something, and not yelp every time that a language other than English is
>> used without a translation. Some who can communicate very well in
>> Latin, French, German, Spanish, etc., and who can read English cannot
>> translate other languages into English. That is a special skill. We
>> lost the opportunity to gain dozens, if not hundreds, of Latinists
>> because of such silly requirements, and because those in a certain
>> political faction are too right-brained and find it difficult to learn
>> languages, they shoot those who use tongues other than English down.
>> Some seem to believe that everything written in languages other than
>> English represents a potential threat to NR, so woe betide the person
>> who writes in any language other than that grammarless one stemming from
>> England.
>>
>
> SCA: Going to remain neutral, because providing a translation is actually
> quite helpful for those who may not understand what you are trying to say.
> For example if I posted in complete German in Bavarian dialect how many
> here would seriously understand what I say? Or entirely in Japanese would
> you not wonder what I was saying, would you not see yourself asking me for
> a English translation?

ATS2: Aeternia, there is a difference between posting in a national
language, especially one which is not well known and / or a dialect thereof,
and in posting in a universal language used by persons in many different
lands who would not otherwise understand one another as they do not have any
common language. Latin is common to speakers from many countries. I wish I
could show you the video from the Academia Latinitati Fovendae meeting in
Finland some years ago, but that is not allowed by the rules established by
Avitus for the classes in which we make this available to the students. In
it, people from Russia, Hungary, Finland, Norway, Italy, France, Germany,
Spain, and the US (no doubt I've missed a few) are chatting away quite
happily in Latin, their sole common language.

French and standard German are required of all academics, and Spanish is
recommended or required in some other fields. Japanese is not well known
outside of that country, or commonly taught. Neither is Bavarian German.
>
>>
>> DCM: Funny comments considering you feel it necessary to grade
>> everyone's Latin. Lighten up, Funny Lady. Perhaps, for the good of
>> Nova Roma you should look beyond only attracting Latinists.
>>
>
> SCA: Although I am disturbed by saying this. Being a Latinist is
> Scholastica's niche, and you are not the only one who has suffered her
> "ruler of Latin corrections and her mighty red pen". She is a teacher, we
> cannot change what has literally been ingrained into the Magistra, perhaps
> the alternative is she changes her tone where its more "instructional" and
> less "critical". when she is correcting an individual's latin

ATS2: I would not be much of a teacher if I left incorrect Latin
uncorrected. Those who read it would assume that it was correct, and copy
it. That is not a good idea.

Some will always take things amiss, no matter how graciously put; Mento
may be among those who would take anything I said amiss.

>But and
> again this is disturbing, what Sulla, you could simply ignore her (no
> offense to the Magistra).

ATS2: Aeternia, though his volume makes him hard to ignore, many of us
ignore Sulla because we do not care to inhabit the negative, carping world
he finds so dear. He is trying to bring Mento into his fold.

>I think Scholastica doesn't have a problem with
> you bringing a sense of humor to the forum Mento, she just wants you to
> post in correct Latin. I could be off the mark but I doubt it.

ATS2: Here, Aeternia, you are on target. Bad Latin is a bad example.
>
>>
>>>
>>> ATS: I think you are aiming at the wrong party. The cold
>> rule of law is Caesar�s department; he finds it quite comforting.
>>
>
>> DCM: Caesar�s not the one passing judgement on my postings, you are.
>> Lighten up. If I knew the ancient Roman version of a smiley face, I
>> would insert it. (Not that Yahoo Group email let's you insert images.)
>>
>
> SCA: Oh boy.

ATS2: Well, smiley faces should be possible, but the current
incarnation of the ML does not allow attachments, St. Pauli girl or no.
That, however, is another matter s.v. ToS...and minors...and minor
citizens...

The Seventh Edition of Wheelock has a large number of Roman graffiti;
perhaps we can find Roman smiley faces there...there are some pictures among
the ones I have seen in this text.
>
>>
>>> ATS: My guess is that a lot of manuscripts had plenty of
>> mistakes, many introduced by poor copying on the part of the various
>> monks who did this, writing all day long from the dictation of one of
>> their number. Schools, my dear Mento, need not be all that serious,
>> either; I try to make mine as lighthearted as possible, though in Sermo
>> we must follow the dictates of Avitus, who indeed IS rather humorless.
>> Even so, I do lighten up a bit...
>>
>
> SCA: Right. Perhaps we should more of this light hearted nature of yours
> Magistra, it may dispel the ongoing myth :o).

ATS2: I've already given one example, but am not all that oriented to
writing jokes. Sorry about that...I do have fun with language, but writing
jokes does require a talent few have, and I do not.
>
> Valete Optime,
> Statia Cornelia Aeternia

Vale optime!
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87250 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Ave!

Not what I heard. ;)

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:08 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:

> Wow, I love this! It's so great to be mentioned as a "funding source" after
> a $ 20 donation. It makes me feel so important! Thanks!
>
> > Ave!
> >
> > Mento, just ignore livia too. lol She has a vested reason to do her best
> > to criticize NR, she is one of the funding sources of the RPR, or so I
> > have
> > been told. Just like her outing of Audens, there is always a motive
> > behind
> > her messages.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM, D. Cornelius Mento <
> > decimuscorneliusmento@...> wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> Oh my!
> >>
> >> Livia, what was that for?
> >>
> >> Who's being presumptuous? I was asking not to be attacked for a
> >> light-hearted posting I was asked to start by the higher ups. It was
> >> presumptuous of Tullia to grade my posting like a term paper and when I
> >> asked her not to do such obnoxious things she got high handed.
> >>
> >> So, if I invite you to a party, I'm allowed to publicly criticize your
> >> dress, Livia?
> >>
> >> So what you're saying is stumbling beginner Latin speakers are not
> >> welcome here?
> >>
> >> Good going, Livia.
> >>
> >> D. Mento
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/22/2012 6:27 AM, L. Livia Plauta wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Salve Mento,
> >> > presumptuous people who defend their right to be ignorant are one of
> >> > the
> >> > types of people who caused the decline of Nova Roma.
> >> > In fact, I think you fit in here much better than Tullia Scholastica
> >> does.
> >> >
> >> > Vale,
> >> > Livia
> >> >
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87251 From: L. Livia Plauta Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
So what did you hear, Sulla? Will I be able to publicize RPR as the place
where your dollar is double worth, because it will get infinitely multiplied
in hearsay?

> Ave!
>
> Not what I heard. ;)
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:08 PM, L. Livia Plauta
> <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
>
>> Wow, I love this! It's so great to be mentioned as a "funding source"
>> after
>> a $ 20 donation. It makes me feel so important! Thanks!
>>
>> > Ave!
>> >
>> > Mento, just ignore livia too. lol She has a vested reason to do her
>> > best
>> > to criticize NR, she is one of the funding sources of the RPR, or so I
>> > have
>> > been told. Just like her outing of Audens, there is always a motive
>> > behind
>> > her messages.
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> >
>> > Sulla
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM, D. Cornelius Mento <
>> > decimuscorneliusmento@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >> **
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Oh my!
>> >>
>> >> Livia, what was that for?
>> >>
>> >> Who's being presumptuous? I was asking not to be attacked for a
>> >> light-hearted posting I was asked to start by the higher ups. It was
>> >> presumptuous of Tullia to grade my posting like a term paper and when
>> >> I
>> >> asked her not to do such obnoxious things she got high handed.
>> >>
>> >> So, if I invite you to a party, I'm allowed to publicly criticize your
>> >> dress, Livia?
>> >>
>> >> So what you're saying is stumbling beginner Latin speakers are not
>> >> welcome here?
>> >>
>> >> Good going, Livia.
>> >>
>> >> D. Mento
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2/22/2012 6:27 AM, L. Livia Plauta wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Salve Mento,
>> >> > presumptuous people who defend their right to be ignorant are one of
>> >> > the
>> >> > types of people who caused the decline of Nova Roma.
>> >> > In fact, I think you fit in here much better than Tullia Scholastica
>> >> does.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vale,
>> >> > Livia
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87252 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Ave!

I see no sense in going into detail much like you chose not to go into
greater detail about Audens. ;)

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:40 PM, L. Livia Plauta <livia.plauta@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> So what did you hear, Sulla? Will I be able to publicize RPR as the place
> where your dollar is double worth, because it will get infinitely
> multiplied
> in hearsay?
>
>
> > Ave!
> >
> > Not what I heard. ;)
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Sulla
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:08 PM, L. Livia Plauta
> > <livia.plauta@...>wrote:
> >
> >> Wow, I love this! It's so great to be mentioned as a "funding source"
> >> after
> >> a $ 20 donation. It makes me feel so important! Thanks!
> >>
> >> > Ave!
> >> >
> >> > Mento, just ignore livia too. lol She has a vested reason to do her
> >> > best
> >> > to criticize NR, she is one of the funding sources of the RPR, or so I
> >> > have
> >> > been told. Just like her outing of Audens, there is always a motive
> >> > behind
> >> > her messages.
> >> >
> >> > Vale,
> >> >
> >> > Sulla
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM, D. Cornelius Mento <
> >> > decimuscorneliusmento@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> **
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh my!
> >> >>
> >> >> Livia, what was that for?
> >> >>
> >> >> Who's being presumptuous? I was asking not to be attacked for a
> >> >> light-hearted posting I was asked to start by the higher ups. It was
> >> >> presumptuous of Tullia to grade my posting like a term paper and
> when
> >> >> I
> >> >> asked her not to do such obnoxious things she got high handed.
> >> >>
> >> >> So, if I invite you to a party, I'm allowed to publicly criticize
> your
> >> >> dress, Livia?
> >> >>
> >> >> So what you're saying is stumbling beginner Latin speakers are not
> >> >> welcome here?
> >> >>
> >> >> Good going, Livia.
> >> >>
> >> >> D. Mento
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2/22/2012 6:27 AM, L. Livia Plauta wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Salve Mento,
> >> >> > presumptuous people who defend their right to be ignorant are one
> of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > types of people who caused the decline of Nova Roma.
> >> >> > In fact, I think you fit in here much better than Tullia
> Scholastica
> >> >> does.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Vale,
> >> >> > Livia
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87253 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Ave Scholastica,

Let me just say on behalf of myself I have no problem and would shed no
tear for you to go to those "englightend" lol folks over at the RPR. I am
sure they would appreciate your using Latin as a insult to those who do not
have Latin skills, and your sanctimonious corrections when individuals make
mistakes. Please, feel free to dispense your wisdom to those "enlightened"
LOL folks!

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:10 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...
> wrote:

> **
>
>
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve Mento,
> > presumptuous people who defend their right to be ignorant are one of the
> > types of people who caused the decline of Nova Roma.
> >
> > ATS: I suspect that you are right there, Livia. There are far too many
> > people here who do indeed defend their right to be ignorant, notably
> about
> > languages other than English and cultures other than American.
> >
> >
> > In fact, I think you fit in here much better than Tullia Scholastica
> does.
> >
> > ATS: That may be true, but Mento seems to be someone who is very fond of
> > jokes and does not like to take things seriously. There is nothing wrong
> with
> > that...up to a point. The point is crossed when the likes of high
> > intelligence, academic interests, a desire for correctness regarding
> languages
> > and information, etc., are shot down. It is also crossed when insulting
> those
> > who do not share one’s political views is the preferred way of dealing
> with
> > the world, as is the case with some here.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Livia
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "D. Cornelius Mento" <decimuscorneliusmento@...>
> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Cc: "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@....>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro
> > Romano.
> >
> > On 2/21/2012 5:58 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A. Tullia Scholastica D. Cornelio Mentoni quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> >> > S.P.D.
> >> >
> >>> > > I am very disappointed with my Nova Roma experience. There is a
> lack
> >>> > > solidarity and humor here.
> >> >
> >> > Oh, it's there--but perhaps not obvious on the ML.
> >> >
> >
> > Well isn't that a problem then if the goal is to build a community,
> Tullia?
> >
> >> >
> >>> > > What is it with this non existent online chariot racing I�m
> supposed to
> >>> > > be getting excited over? Why not just meet up at the OTB or race
> track
> >>> > > and each color back a horse and pool their bets? Or just watch the
> >>> > > Belmont Stakes or Preakness on TV and do the same thing? That will
> make
> >>> > > things more interesting.
> >> >
> >> > Our ludi can be quite entertaining. They have not yet begun, so please
> >> > give it a chance.
> >> >
> >
> > I was here for last year's ludi and I didn't have a clue what was going
> > on. Join a team? Where? How? Chariot race by email?
> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I fail to understand why there isn�t a real forum site with posting
> >>> > > boards and chat rooms for us to get to.
> >> >
> >> > Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have
> >> > time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we
> >> > receive
> >> > the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room, but it
> seems
> >> > only one person showed up, and it does take two or more to have a
> >> > conversation--outside of the loony bin, anyway.
> >> >
> >
> > This is the logic that explains why myspace is going extinct. I get
> > email from a half a dozen Nova Roma groups and some I'm not supposed to
> > respond to, some I am. They are always confusingly formatted. You
> > should be able to go to NovaRoma.org and get your notices, chat rooms,
> > retail sales, forums for specific topics, official notifications,
> > votings all in one place. Make people want to go there. Site traffic
> > alone can generate income. Do you understand that, Tullia? Site
> > traffic can generate revenue for the Nova Roma state? I still can't log
> > into anything other then the civic album. You want everything in email
> > form, Tullia, it can be sent to you that way. I belong to an Oracle
> > forum and that's exactly what my experience is like.
> >
> > I spend much more time on the Wikipedia Latin page (Vicipaedia) then on
> > NovaRoma.org or groups.
> >
> >> >
> >>> > >We could all watch a TV show
> >>> > > together and post in real time, etc. And chatting, like language
> >>> > > immersion, will get our Latin acumen up. Yahoo mail is the best
> free
> >>> > > mail out there, but their groups are ugly and clumsy. It�s not that
> >>> > > expensive. Nova Roma without it�s own online FORUM, how ironic.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I�d be reluctant to pay �taxes� until I see some value in this,
> but why
> >>> > > you aren�t selling hats, flags, rings, jewelry, clothing with Nova
> Roma
> >>> > > branding is inconceivable. I�d buy a ton of that stuff.
> >> >
> >> > We have done so, and are working on a flag. A ring may still be
> >> > available. I believe we have also had T-shirts and sweatshirts. Give
> it a
> >> > chance; our numbers have been greatly reduced.
> >> >
> >
> > I'm not surprised your numbers have been greatly reduced. I want Nova
> > Roma to thrive. I'm not seeing the same attitude from the leadership
> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I am timid about posting with the humorless Tullia Scholastica
> floating
> >>> > > out there waiting to pounce upon any incorrect Latin with large
> font
> >>> > > graffiti style postings.
> >> >
> >> > I regret to inform you that I am not humorless; in fact, quite the
> >> > opposite is true. Latin which is incorrect cannot be understood; as a
> >> > highly inflected Indo-European language, Latin (Greek, Sanskrit,
> German,
> >> > Russian...) depends on suffixes to convey meaning, and those suffixes
> must
> >> > be correct. I tell my Grammatica students that Latin words are modest
> and
> >> > do not go out in public without g-strings and pasties at a minimum;
> they
> >> > have to add a lot more at times so that they can go out and interact
> with
> >> > other Latin words.
> >> >
> > I'm sure you regret it tremendously. If I'm staring a joke thread at
> > the behest of the higher ups, stay light hearted and go with the flow.
> > Don't bring everything down with your cold rule of law. We all are not
> > your Grammatica students. Until I pay for your services...
> >
> >> >
> >>> > > So if I don�t have time to translate a quick
> >>> > > joke or something of interest properly I just don�t post it. Learn
> how
> >>> > > to use the line out and highlight function Tullia, it�ll make your
> >>> > > ceaseless fortitude more readable.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, but my system does not do such things. Why don't you pick up a
> >> > copy of Wheelock and learn proper Latin?
> >> >
> >
> > LOL. So if you found an original manuscript from Plautius you would
> > send it back if it had too many grammatical mistakes? This is a
> > friendly community, not school.
> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be.
> >> >
> >> > You might want to contribute meaningfully to NR to make it more
> pleasing
> >> > to you. Ecce is not the way to do that, nor is mangled Latin.
> >> >
> >
> > Like I said, Nova Roma is not what I hoped it would be and you telling
> > me basically to lump it or leave it is short sighted.
> >
> > You may not like the "Ecce" that I use to punctuate a conversation but
> > how many people post at all? OK, Tullia, you may get me to stop posting
> > but that's only going to leave a tent group worth of people saying
> > anything. Think beyond your little mantle of power Tullia; try and
> > think what is good for Nova Roma.
> >
> > Gratias tibi ago.
> >
> > D. Mento
>
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87254 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibusque S.P.D.

Once more, please see commentary below <snippage for brevity sake>.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:28 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...
> wrote:

> **
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> > Sta. Cornelia Aeternia D. Mentoni A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibusque
> S.P.D.
> >
> > Someone had sugar this morning.
>
> Who? And what is the significance thereof?
>

SCJA: Mento, it's the most he's ever posted.

>
>
>
>
> >
> > SCJA: Actually it's fun once you get into the swing of it, the Aedilician
> > Cohors can be quite creative.
>
> ATS: Yes, it is. Gratification is not quite as instant as some might
> like, however.
>

SCJA: On that we agree.



> >
> >
> > SCJA: That is a good question Scholastica, perhaps if you suggested some
> > sites that are up to your standards that Mento can find. Maybe this
> debate
> > may simmer down?
>
>
> ATS2: Ephemeris is a good site, affiliated with the Grex Latiné
> Loquentium, an all-Latin mailing list populated by some of the best
> Latinists in the world--and some NR citizens, too, including a certain C.
> Petronius Dexter, who posts there with some frequency, and a certain ATS,
> who does not, but does upon occasion. The teachers on that list are too
> busy...even the ones who are not in NR.
>

SCJA : Okay I just went to this Ephemeris site (
http://ephemeris.alcuinus.net/) it's completely in Latin. For those who
are Intermediate and Beginners you'll need a translation site just to
translate that site. Do you recommend another site based upon
skill/knowledge level?

>
> I expect that the rest of the Senate will now sign up with the GLL,
> being so interested in Latin...
>

SCJA: Do I detect a odd sense of humor and a whiff of sarcasm in the air?

>
> YLE Radio in Finland has written and audio news items as well, and is
> quite good. They keep changing their URL, and since I do not go trolling
> the net looking for things to do (I have plenty to keep me busy without
> that), I can't provide it, but it might be linked to the Ephemeris site or
> the GLL. There are other groups and sites of interest, but like these, most
> require a knowledge of Latin, as do the conventicula, one of which will be
> in LA and another at Dickinson College in Pennsylvania this coming summer.
> There are several in Europe, but I don't have the information on those yet.
>

SCJA: As much as I find the concept of a radio station broadcasting
entirely in Latin very awesome, I think it will take me forever and then
some to find the link on such said site.

>
> > SCA: Going to remain neutral, because providing a translation is actually
> > quite helpful for those who may not understand what you are trying to
> say.
> > For example if I posted in complete German in Bavarian dialect how many
> > here would seriously understand what I say? Or entirely in Japanese would
> > you not wonder what I was saying, would you not see yourself asking me
> for
> > a English translation?
>
> ATS2: Aeternia, there is a difference between posting in a national
> language, especially one which is not well known and / or a dialect
> thereof,
> and in posting in a universal language used by persons in many different
> lands who would not otherwise understand one another as they do not have
> any
> common language. Latin is common to speakers from many countries. I wish I
> could show you the video from the Academia Latinitati Fovendae meeting in
> Finland some years ago, but that is not allowed by the rules established by
> Avitus for the classes in which we make this available to the students. In
> it, people from Russia, Hungary, Finland, Norway, Italy, France, Germany,
> Spain, and the US (no doubt I've missed a few) are chatting away quite
> happily in Latin, their sole common language.
>

SCJA: Scholastica, it isn't that I don't understand where you are coming
from, but not everyone is on your level when it comes to the Latin
language. Not everyone can understand it, so in this odd special
circumstance, there is a provision of providing English translations.

>
> French and standard German are required of all academics, and Spanish is
> recommended or required in some other fields. Japanese is not well known
> outside of that country, or commonly taught. Neither is Bavarian German.
>

SCJA: You have made my point perfectly. Either you understand and you
continue to remain aloof, or we are truly on the opposite ends of the
spectrum regarding this issue.

>
>
> >>
> >
> > SCA: Although I am disturbed by saying this. Being a Latinist is
> > Scholastica's niche, and you are not the only one who has suffered her
> > "ruler of Latin corrections and her mighty red pen". She is a teacher, we
> > cannot change what has literally been ingrained into the Magistra,
> perhaps
> > the alternative is she changes her tone where its more "instructional"
> and
> > less "critical". when she is correcting an individual's latin
>
> ATS2: I would not be much of a teacher if I left incorrect Latin
> uncorrected. Those who read it would assume that it was correct, and copy
> it. That is not a good idea.
>

SCJA: And I agree, but I think the problem is "tone" with e-mail it is hard
to understand sometimes. I'm saying this quite neutrally as well.

>
> Some will always take things amiss, no matter how graciously put; Mento
> may be among those who would take anything I said amiss.
>

SCJA: On that I disagree.

>
>
> ATS2: Aeternia, though his volume makes him hard to ignore, many of us
> ignore Sulla because we do not care to inhabit the negative, carping world
> he finds so dear. He is trying to bring Mento into his fold.
>

SCJA: No he is not trying to bring him into his fold.

>
>
> >I think Scholastica doesn't have a problem with
> > you bringing a sense of humor to the forum Mento, she just wants you to
> > post in correct Latin. I could be off the mark but I doubt it.
>
> ATS2: Here, Aeternia, you are on target. Bad Latin is a bad example.
>

SCJA: Hence why you have a chance to give correction in a *positive* aspect
Magistra, we are trying to lure and attract people to NR, not frighten them
away.

>
>
> ATS2: Well, smiley faces should be possible, but the current
> incarnation of the ML does not allow attachments, St. Pauli girl or no.
> That, however, is another matter s.v. ToS...and minors...and minor
> citizens...
>

SCJA: Again there is no one the Main List under the age of 18, please tell
me where you keep these minors hidden Scholastica? Underground in holes,
in tree trunks?

>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> > SCA: Right. Perhaps we should see more of this light hearted nature of
> yours
> > Magistra, it may dispel the ongoing myth :o).
>
>
> ATS2: I've already given one example, but am not all that oriented to
> writing jokes. Sorry about that...I do have fun with language, but writing
> jokes does require a talent few have, and I do not.
>

SCJA: Ditto on the joke writing, can't give an example either.

>
> >
> > Valete Optime,
> > Statia Cornelia Aeternia
>
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87255 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Salve Tullia,

I don't know where you're from but I am insulted by your
anti-Americanism. You're the only person on Nova Roma I've seen who has
a problem with language. Lighten up.

Like I said: this isn't your school, I am not your student.


Gratias tibi ago!


D. Mento

On 2/22/2012 5:10 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica wrote:
>
>
> > ATS: I suspect that you are right there, Livia. There are far too many
> > people here who do indeed defend their right to be ignorant, notably
> about
> > languages other than English and cultures other than American.
> >
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87256 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: Re: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
If anything is making the point about emails versus a forum board its
this thread. There are some very good points made by all involved and
it's almost impossible to follow it.

Tullia I don't know what you're talking about when you say Sulla's
trying to get me into his fold. I don't know what type of past you and
Sulla have, but I discovered your pompous attitude all on my own. I
just asked you to back off with your zealous corrections on a joke
related thread. Trying to have a little fun, that's all. I don't need
to hear your knee jerk reaction that I'm defending ignorance blah blah
blah. Just mellow out and enjoy the waters. I had one year of high
school Latin 25 years ago, give me a break. Do you expect everyone to
walk around with a volume of Wheelock before they post?


Gratias tibi ago!

D. Mento


On 2/22/2012 8:07 PM, Belle Morte Statia wrote:
>
> Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibusque S.P.D.
>
> Once more, please see commentary below <snippage for brevity sake>.
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:28 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica
> <fororom@... <mailto:fororom%40localnet.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae
> > voluntatis S.P.D.
> >
> > > Sta. Cornelia Aeternia D. Mentoni A. Tulliae Scholasticae Omnibusque
> > S.P.D.
> > >
> > > Someone had sugar this morning.
> >
> > Who? And what is the significance thereof?
> >
>
> SCJA: Mento, it's the most he's ever posted.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > SCJA: Actually it's fun once you get into the swing of it, the
> Aedilician
> > > Cohors can be quite creative.
> >
> > ATS: Yes, it is. Gratification is not quite as instant as some might
> > like, however.
> >
>
> SCJA: On that we agree.
>
> > >
> > >
> > > SCJA: That is a good question Scholastica, perhaps if you
> suggested some
> > > sites that are up to your standards that Mento can find. Maybe this
> > debate
> > > may simmer down?
> >
> >
> > ATS2: Ephemeris is a good site, affiliated with the Grex Latiné
> > Loquentium, an all-Latin mailing list populated by some of the best
> > Latinists in the world--and some NR citizens, too, including a
> certain C.
> > Petronius Dexter, who posts there with some frequency, and a certain
> ATS,
> > who does not, but does upon occasion. The teachers on that list are too
> > busy...even the ones who are not in NR.
> >
>
> SCJA : Okay I just went to this Ephemeris site (
> http://ephemeris.alcuinus.net/) it's completely in Latin. For those who
> are Intermediate and Beginners you'll need a translation site just to
> translate that site. Do you recommend another site based upon
> skill/knowledge level?
>
> >
> > I expect that the rest of the Senate will now sign up with the GLL,
> > being so interested in Latin...
> >
>
> SCJA: Do I detect a odd sense of humor and a whiff of sarcasm in the air?
>
> >
> > YLE Radio in Finland has written and audio news items as well, and is
> > quite good. They keep changing their URL, and since I do not go trolling
> > the net looking for things to do (I have plenty to keep me busy without
> > that), I can't provide it, but it might be linked to the Ephemeris
> site or
> > the GLL. There are other groups and sites of interest, but like
> these, most
> > require a knowledge of Latin, as do the conventicula, one of which
> will be
> > in LA and another at Dickinson College in Pennsylvania this coming
> summer.
> > There are several in Europe, but I don't have the information on
> those yet.
> >
>
> SCJA: As much as I find the concept of a radio station broadcasting
> entirely in Latin very awesome, I think it will take me forever and then
> some to find the link on such said site.
>
> >
> > > SCA: Going to remain neutral, because providing a translation is
> actually
> > > quite helpful for those who may not understand what you are trying to
> > say.
> > > For example if I posted in complete German in Bavarian dialect how
> many
> > > here would seriously understand what I say? Or entirely in
> Japanese would
> > > you not wonder what I was saying, would you not see yourself asking me
> > for
> > > a English translation?
> >
> > ATS2: Aeternia, there is a difference between posting in a national
> > language, especially one which is not well known and / or a dialect
> > thereof,
> > and in posting in a universal language used by persons in many different
> > lands who would not otherwise understand one another as they do not have
> > any
> > common language. Latin is common to speakers from many countries. I
> wish I
> > could show you the video from the Academia Latinitati Fovendae
> meeting in
> > Finland some years ago, but that is not allowed by the rules
> established by
> > Avitus for the classes in which we make this available to the
> students. In
> > it, people from Russia, Hungary, Finland, Norway, Italy, France,
> Germany,
> > Spain, and the US (no doubt I've missed a few) are chatting away quite
> > happily in Latin, their sole common language.
> >
>
> SCJA: Scholastica, it isn't that I don't understand where you are coming
> from, but not everyone is on your level when it comes to the Latin
> language. Not everyone can understand it, so in this odd special
> circumstance, there is a provision of providing English translations.
>
> >
> > French and standard German are required of all academics, and Spanish is
> > recommended or required in some other fields. Japanese is not well known
> > outside of that country, or commonly taught. Neither is Bavarian German.
> >
>
> SCJA: You have made my point perfectly. Either you understand and you
> continue to remain aloof, or we are truly on the opposite ends of the
> spectrum regarding this issue.
>
> >
> >
> > >>
> > >
> > > SCA: Although I am disturbed by saying this. Being a Latinist is
> > > Scholastica's niche, and you are not the only one who has suffered her
> > > "ruler of Latin corrections and her mighty red pen". She is a
> teacher, we
> > > cannot change what has literally been ingrained into the Magistra,
> > perhaps
> > > the alternative is she changes her tone where its more "instructional"
> > and
> > > less "critical". when she is correcting an individual's latin
> >
> > ATS2: I would not be much of a teacher if I left incorrect Latin
> > uncorrected. Those who read it would assume that it was correct, and
> copy
> > it. That is not a good idea.
> >
>
> SCJA: And I agree, but I think the problem is "tone" with e-mail it is
> hard
> to understand sometimes. I'm saying this quite neutrally as well.
>
> >
> > Some will always take things amiss, no matter how graciously put; Mento
> > may be among those who would take anything I said amiss.
> >
>
> SCJA: On that I disagree.
>
> >
> >
> > ATS2: Aeternia, though his volume makes him hard to ignore, many of us
> > ignore Sulla because we do not care to inhabit the negative, carping
> world
> > he finds so dear. He is trying to bring Mento into his fold.
> >
>
> SCJA: No he is not trying to bring him into his fold.
>
> >
> >
> > >I think Scholastica doesn't have a problem with
> > > you bringing a sense of humor to the forum Mento, she just wants
> you to
> > > post in correct Latin. I could be off the mark but I doubt it.
> >
> > ATS2: Here, Aeternia, you are on target. Bad Latin is a bad example.
> >
>
> SCJA: Hence why you have a chance to give correction in a *positive*
> aspect
> Magistra, we are trying to lure and attract people to NR, not frighten
> them
> away.
>
> >
> >
> > ATS2: Well, smiley faces should be possible, but the current
> > incarnation of the ML does not allow attachments, St. Pauli girl or no.
> > That, however, is another matter s.v. ToS...and minors...and minor
> > citizens...
> >
>
> SCJA: Again there is no one the Main List under the age of 18, please tell
> me where you keep these minors hidden Scholastica? Underground in holes,
> in tree trunks?
>
> >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > SCA: Right. Perhaps we should see more of this light hearted nature of
> > yours
> > > Magistra, it may dispel the ongoing myth :o).
> >
> >
> > ATS2: I've already given one example, but am not all that oriented to
> > writing jokes. Sorry about that...I do have fun with language, but
> writing
> > jokes does require a talent few have, and I do not.
> >
>
> SCJA: Ditto on the joke writing, can't give an example either.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Valete Optime,
> > > Statia Cornelia Aeternia
> >
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87257 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: a.d. VIII Kal. Mar. - THE CARISTIA
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem VIII Kalendas Martias; haec dies comitialis est.


"But it was ordained after all that even he, as he was but a mortal,
should not be fortunate in everything, but should feel some stroke of
the envious god who, having from an insignificant man made him great
in a brief moment of time and raised him to wonderful and unexpected
distinction, plunged him the same day into the unhappy state of being
his sister's murderer. For when he arrived near the gates he saw a
multitude of people of all conditions pouring out from the city and
among them his sister running to meet him. At the first sight of her
he was distressed that a virgin ripe for marriage should have deserted
her household tasks at her mother's side and joined a crowd of
strangers. And though he indulged in many absurd reflections, he was
at last inclining to those which were honourable and generous, feeling
that in her yearning to be the first to embrace her surviving brother
and in her desire to receive an account from him of the gallant
behaviour of her dead brothers she had disregarded decorum in a moment
of feminine weakness. However, it was not, after all, her yearning
for her brothers that had led her to venture forth in this unusual
manner, but it was because she was overpowered by love for one of her
cousins to whom her father had promised her in marriage, a passion
which she had till then kept secret; and when she had overheard a man
who came from the camp relating the details of the combat, she could
no longer contain herself, but leaving the house, rushed to the city
gates like a maenad, without paying any heed to her nurse who called
her and ran to bring her back. But when she got outside the city and
saw her brother exulting and wearing the garlands of victory with
which the king had crowned him, and his friends carrying the spoils of
the slain, among which was an embroidered robe which she herself with
the assistance of her mother had woven and sent as a present to her
betrothed against their nuptial day (for it is the custom of the
Latins to array themselves in embroidered robes when they go to fetch
their brides), when, therefore, she saw this robe stained with blood,
she rent her garment, and beating her breast with both hands, fell to
lamenting and calling upon her cousin by name, so that great
astonishment came upon all who were present there. After she had
bewailed the death of her betrothed she stared with fixed gaze at her
brother and said: "Most abominable wretch, so you rejoice in having
slain your cousins and deprived your most unhappy sister of wedlock!
Miserable fellow! Why, you are not even touched with pity for your
slain kinsmen, whom you were wont to call your brothers, but instead,
as if you had performed some noble deed, you are beside yourself with
joy and wear garlands in honour of such calamities. Of what wild
beast, then, have you the heart?" And he, answering her, said: "The
heart of a citizen who loves his country and punishes those who wish
her ill, whether they happen to be foreigners or his own people. And
among such I count even you; for though you know that the greatest of
blessings and of woes have happened to us at one and the same time — I
mean the victory of your country, which I, your brother, am bringing
home with me, and the death of your brothers — you neither rejoice in
the public happiness of your country, wicked wretch, nor grieve at the
private calamities of your own family, but, overlooking your own
brothers, you lament the fate of your betrothed, and this, too, not
after taking yourself off somewhere alone under cover of darkness,
curse you! but beforeº the eyes of the whole world; and you reproach
me for my valour and my crowns of victory, you pretender to virginity,
you hater of your brothers and disgrace to your ancestors! Since,
therefore, you mourn, p85not for your brothers, but for your cousins,
and since, though your body is with the living, your soul is with him
who is dead, go to him on whom you call and cease to dishonour either
your father or your brothers."

After these words, being unable in his hatred of baseness to observe
moderation, but yielding to the anger which swayed him, he ran his
sword through her side; and having slain his sister, he went to his
father. But so averse to baseness and so stern were the manners and
thoughts of the Romans of that day and, to compare them with the
actions and lives of those of our age, so cruel and harsh and so
little removed from the savagery of wild beasts, that the father, upon
being informed of this terrible calamity, far from resenting it,
looked upon it as a glorious and becoming action. 8In fact, he would
neither permit his daughter's body to be brought into the house nor
allow her to be buried in the tomb of her ancestors or given any
funeral or burial robe or other customary rites; but as she lay there
where she had been cast, in the place where she was slain, the
passers-by, bringing stones and earth, buried her like any corpse
which had none to give it proper burial. 9Besides these instances of
the father's severity there were still others that I shall mention.
Thus, as if in gratitude for some glorious and fortunate achievements,
he offered that very day to the gods of his ancestors the sacrifices
he had vowed, and entertained his relations at a splendid banquet,
just as upon the greatest festivals, making less account of his
private calamities than of the public advantages of his country. This
not only Horatius but many other prominent Romans after him are said
to have done; I refer to their offering sacrifice and wearing crowns
and celebrating triumphs immediately after the death of their sons
when through them the commonwealth had met with good fortune. Of these
I shall make mention in the proper places." - Dionysius of
Halicarnassus 3.21

"The next day has its name, Caristia, from our dear (cari) kin,
When a throng of relations gathers to the family gods.
It's surely pleasant to turn our faces to the living,
Once away from our relatives who have perished,
And after so many lost, to see those of our blood
Who remain, and count the degrees of kinship.
Let the innocent come: let the impious brother be far,
Far from here, and the mother harsh to her children,
He whose father's too long-lived, who weighs his mother's years,
The cruel mother-in-law who crushes the daughter-in-law she hates.
Be absent Tantalides, Atreus, Thyestes: and Medea, Jason's wife:
Ino who gave parched seeds to the farmers:
And Procne, her sister, Philomela, and Tereus cruel to both,
And whoever has gathered wealth by wickedness.
Virtuous ones, burn incense to the gods of the family,
(Gentle Concord is said to be there on this day above all)
And offer food, so the robed Lares may feed from the dish
Granted to them as a mark of esteem, that pleases them.
Then when moist night invites us to calm slumber,
Fill the wine-cup full, for the prayer, and say:
`Health, health to you, worthy Caesar, Father of the Country!'
And let there be pleasant speech at the pouring of wine." - Ovid Fasti II


Today is the celebration of the Caristia, a Roman feast day that falls
between the Feralia and the Terminalia. On this day Roman fathers
would pay special attention to their families. This particular
festival did not have any religious obligations or affiliations, and
was considered by some to be a break in February for Romans from the
multitude of festivals celebrated in this month. As most of the
festivals in Februarius are dedicated to the spirits or manes of the
dead, this festival which centers on celebrating the lives of family
members is indeed a welcome respite.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87258 From: Cato Date: 2012-02-22
Subject: What does Nova Roma Mean to You? Re: De Foro Romano.
Cato Cornelio Mentori omnibusque in foro SPD

The Senate is, even now, talking about things just like the website etc. Although it may seem like not much is happening, there really is. We are coming gradually out of a slump.

I totally agree vis-a-vis the mechanics of chat, posts, etc., found even in Google Groups; Caecilius Metellus and I were talking at some length a couple of months ago about this very thing. Give ideas here in the Forum!

"If you are looking for ways to grow Nova Roma then listen to what the new members are telling you."

Truer words can hardly be spoken.

One thing I've tried to do is continually post the calendar so that we are reminded of the festivals and observances of the Roman year both saecular and sacred. I very strongly encourage especially new members to post information - or requests for information - here on any subject regarding Rome and her history.

There are a lot of people who know a lot of stuff hanging out here - even some of the grumpy ones :)

Vale et valete bene,

Cato