Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Mar 1-6, 2012

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87434 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87435 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: KALENDIS MARTIIS - Matronalia, Iunoni Lucinae, Feriae Marti. 14th bi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87436 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: KALENDIS MARTIIS - THE MATRONALIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87437 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Official announcement of the opening of the Ludi Novi Romani of 276
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87438 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Question on SPD greeting
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87439 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87440 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87441 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Official announcement of the opening of the Ludi Novi Romani of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87442 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Aedile's address: Re: [Nova-Roma] Official announcement of the openi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87443 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Aedile's opening remarks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87444 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Ludi events!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87445 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Aedile's address: Re: [Nova-Roma] Official announcement of the o
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87446 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: CONCORDIALIA RITUAL for the 14th Anniversary of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87447 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: CONCORDIALIA RITUAL for the 14th Anniversary of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87448 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Words from the Praetrix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87449 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: CONCORDIALIA RITUAL for the 14th Anniversary of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87450 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Happy New Year!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87451 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765--Mythologicum Certamen (Dies /Day 1)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87452 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765--Mythologicum Certamen (Dies /Day 1)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87453 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Certamen Historicum - Day 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87454 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Circenses - Still accepting entries for the
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87455 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Circenses - Still accepting entries for the
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87456 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: After every Kalends, Nones, Ides, the next day is "Ater", 3/2/2012,
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87457 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Aedile's opening remarks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87458 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Aedile's opening remarks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87459 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Aedile's opening remarks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87460 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87461 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Official announcement of the opening of the Ludi Novi Romani of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87462 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Aedile's opening remarks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87463 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: CONCORDIALIA RITUAL for the 14th Anniversary of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87464 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Words from the Praetrix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87465 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Happy Mothers' Day!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87466 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87467 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Dé Nová Rómá
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87468 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87469 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87470 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Words from the Praetrix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87471 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Triclinium Chat
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87472 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Carmen Regina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87473 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: a.d. VI Non. Mar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87474 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Readings from Iuvenal :)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87475 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765 --Certamen Mythologicum (Dies/Day 2)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87476 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Roman Days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87477 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Roman Days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87478 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Nova Roman Signs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87479 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Triclinium chat Dies 2:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87480 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI - Certamen Latinum #1 (Latin Quiz)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87481 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Triclinium Chat
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87482 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87483 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: CENSUS OF FLUENT LATIN SPEAKERS Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Numbers, str
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87484 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: CENSUS OF FLUENT LATIN SPEAKERS Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Numbers, str
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87485 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Tribute to Iuno
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87486 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Devotional to Iuno
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87487 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: CENSUS OF FLUENT LATIN SPEAKERS Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Numbers, str
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87488 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Devotional to Iuno
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87489 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Devotional to Iuno
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87490 From: C.Petronius Dexter Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Test
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87491 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Tribute to Iuno
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87492 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Tribute to Iuno
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87493 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Triclinium chat Dies 2:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87494 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Triclinium chat Dies 2:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87495 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Triclinium Chat
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87496 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Ludi Latin (not the certamen!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87497 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Ludi Latin (not the certamen!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87498 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Triclinium Chat
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87499 From: Jean-François Arnoud Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re : [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87500 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87501 From: Jean-François Arnoud Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re : [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87502 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Re : [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87503 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Re : [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87504 From: Jean-François Arnoud Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re : [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87505 From: Radakia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Aedile's opening remarks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87506 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Certamen Historicum - Day 2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87507 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87508 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 The Parade Candida Dies 3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87509 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: a.d. V Non. Mar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87510 From: James V Hooper Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Test
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87511 From: C.Petronius Dexter Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Test
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87512 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Certamen Mythologicum (Dies /Day 3)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87513 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Curule aedile and quaestors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87514 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: PRAETORIAL EDICTUM 65-05: CPD StCVIA : Appointment of additional Pra
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87515 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Triclinium Chat (Dies/Day 3)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87516 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani, devotional to Minerva
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87517 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Triclinium Chat (Dies/Day 3)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87518 From: gaius_pompeius_marcellus Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Govenors Oath
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87519 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Govenors Oath
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87520 From: gaius_pompeius_marcellus Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Govenors Oath
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87521 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Curule aedile and quaestors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87522 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Curule aedile and quaestors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87523 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani, devotional to Minerva
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87524 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani, devotional to Minerva
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87525 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Triclinium Chat (Dies/Day 3)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87526 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 The Parade Candida Dies 3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87527 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87528 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87529 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 The Parade Candida Dies 3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87530 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Certamen Historicum - Days 1 through 4
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87531 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Oath of office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87532 From: James V Hooper Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Govenors Oath
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87533 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Oath of Office of Ti. Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87534 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: New Poem --An Ode to Venus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87535 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765--Certamen Mythologicum (Dies /Day 4)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87536 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: FW: [Explorator] explorator 14.46
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87537 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87538 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: New Poem --An Ode to Venus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87539 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Pictures to ML
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87540 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE NOVA ROMAN ANNUAL TAX FOR 2765 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87541 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Pictures to ML
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87542 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Pictures to ML
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87543 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: New Poem --An Ode to Venus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87544 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: CONSULAR EDICT : THE PROCESS FOR CONVERTING CAPITE CENSI CITZENS TO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87545 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: a.d. IV Non. Mar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87546 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Oath of Office - Praefectus Italiae Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87547 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Oath of Office - Legatus Pro Praetore Venediae Cn. Cornelius Lentulu
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87548 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI - Certamen Latinum #2 (Latin Quiz)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87549 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87550 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani: 1st quarter finals race report
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87551 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765-- Triclinium Chat (Dies /Day 4)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87552 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Pictures to ML
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87553 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Rmani: 2nd quarter final race report
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87554 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Certamen Historicum - Day 5
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87555 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Third quarter-final Race Report.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87556 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: a.d. IV Non. Mar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87557 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani: 1st quarter finals race report
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87558 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Rmani: 2nd quarter final race report
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87559 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: a.d. IV Non. Mar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87560 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Third quarter-final Race Report.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87561 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani, devotional to Minerva
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87562 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: WORKING ADULTS Re: [Nova-Roma] LUDI NOVI ROMANI - Certamen Latinum #
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87563 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: a.d. III Non. Mar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87564 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87565 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Certamen Historicum - Day 5 ANSWERS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87566 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: a.d. IV Non. Mar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87567 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87568 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765--Certamen Mythologicum (Dies /Day 5)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87569 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Third quarter-final Race Report.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87570 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87571 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Tribute to Quirinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87572 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Third quarter-final Race Report.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87573 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87574 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87575 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87576 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87577 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Tribute to Quirinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87578 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Et Mos Maiorum Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87579 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87580 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87581 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87582 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87583 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87584 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87585 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87586 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Female Roman Citizens Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87587 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87588 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI - Latin Contest #3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87589 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Female Roman Citizens Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Ro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87590 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Quarter Finals Race 4.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87591 From: Gaius Arminius Reccanellus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Quarter Finals Race 4.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87592 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87593 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Certamen Historicum - Day 6
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87594 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87595 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87596 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Temples of Vesta, Venus Genetrix and Mystic Sanctuary of Fortuna Pri
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87597 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765- (Triclinium Chat Dies /Day 5)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87598 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Et Mos Maiorum Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87599 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87600 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87601 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87602 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87603 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Paterfamilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87604 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: WORKING ADULTS Re: [Nova-Roma] LUDI NOVI ROMANI - Certamen Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87605 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Et Mos Maiorum Re: Paterfamilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87606 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Female Roman Citizens Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Ro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87607 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87608 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87609 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Female Roman Citizens Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Ro



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87434 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
C. Petronius A. Liburnio Juliae Aquilae salutem,

> Appellor (Domina) Lucia Julia Aquila
Nomina mea sunt L. Julia Aquila.

Nashburgo Tennessiano incolo.
Nasburgi (locative) incolo, in Tenesia.

> Male latine loquor. (Ego) exorceam oportet.(I speak Latin poorly, it is necessary that I practice).

Oportet colam.

> I'll give you translations in French,
(...)
>>>Je vive dans Nashville en Tennesse.<<< 

Je vis à Nashville, Tennessee. (J'habite Nashville, Tennessee).

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Kalendis Martiis Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87435 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: KALENDIS MARTIIS - Matronalia, Iunoni Lucinae, Feriae Marti. 14th bi
C. Petronius Dexter Pontifex Maximus omnibus Quiritibus salutem dicit plurimam,

Quartum decimum natalem Novae Romae bonum faustum felicem!

Today morning, capite velato, I invoked Iuno Covella by saying the traditional formula:

"Die Septimi te kalo Iuno Covella"
"Die Septimi te kalo Iuno Covella"
"Die Septimi te kalo Iuno Covella"
"Die Septimi te kalo Iuno Covella"
"Die Septimi te kalo Iuno Covella"
"Die Septimi te kalo Iuno Covella"
"Die Septimi te kalo Iuno Covella"

I offered incense and saying prayers I asked the Goddess to be favorable toward
us, the Quirites of Nova Roma.

The festivals to be celebrated in the month of March shall be:

D NP Kal Feriae Marti, Matronalia, Iunoni Lucinae.
E F VI a.d.Non.Mart. Dies ater, Feriae Marti.
F C V a.d.Non.Mart. Religiosus, Feriae Marti.
G C IV a.d.Non.Mart. Religiosus, Feriae Marti.
H C III a.d.Non.Mart. Religiosus, Feriae Marti.
A C Pr Non. Mart. Religiosus, Feriae Marti.
B F Non Mart. Religiosus, Feriae Marti.
C F VIII a.d.Id. Mart. Dies ater, Feriae Marti, Nundina.
D C VII a.d.Id. Mart. Religiosus, Arma movere Ancilla, Feriae Marti.
E C VI a.d.Id. Mart. Religiosus, Feriae Marti.
F C V a.d.Id. Mart. Religiosus, Feriae Marti.
G C IV a.d.Id. Mart. Religiosus, Feriae Marti.
H EN III a.d.Id. Mart. Religiosus, Feriae Marti.
A NP Pr Id. Mart. Religiosus, Equirria, Feriae Marti.
B NP Id Mart. Religiosus, Iovi, Annae Perennae, Feriae Marti.
C C XVII a.d.Kal.Apr. Dies ater, Argei, Nundina.
D NP XVI a.d.Kal.Apr. Agonium Martis, Liberalia
E F XV a.d.Kal.Apr. Religiosus, Agonium Martiale, Feriae Marti.
F NP XIV a.d.Kal.Apr. Religiosus, Quinquatrus, Feriae Marti.
G C XIII a.d.Kal.Apr. Religiosus, Feriae Martis.
H C XII a.d.Kal.Apr. Religiosus, Feriae Marti.
A NP XI a.d.Kal.Apr. Religiosus, Feriae Marti.
B NP X a.d.Kal.Apr. Religiosus, Tubilustrium, Feriae Marti.
C F IX a.d.Kal.Apr. QRCF Feriae Marti, Nundina.
D C VIII a.d.Kal.Apr.
E C VII a.d.Kal.Apr.
F C VI a.d.Kal.Apr.
G C V a.d.Kal.Apr.
H C IV a.d.Kal.Apr.
A C III a.d.Kal.Apr.
B C Pr Kal.Apr.

At the end I poured a libation of milk thanking to the Goddess for Her benevolence.

Today are the Concordialia Novae Romae, feriae imperativae.
Today, too, the ludi Novi Romani begin,
by which we celebrate the 14th birthday of Nova Roma.

Before the games are open by our aedilis curulis C. Maria Caeca, I offer good prayers and sacrifices to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus for the 14th birthday of Nova Roma and for the Ludi Novi Romani of 2765.

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Favete linguis!

Praefatio:

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, mihi, domo, familiae!

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto!

(Libation of wine is made.)

Precatio:

Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
hodie festivissimo die ludorum Novorum Romanorum quartoque decimo natali Novae Romae conditae, te precor atque quaeso
uti Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium valentiorem facias, augeas, adiuves;
uti decus, virtus, fortitudoque Populi Noví Romini Quiritium hoc anno
anniversario quarto decimo Novae Romae conditae crescant ;
uti sis volens propitiusque consulibus, praetoribus, aedili curuli, aedilibus Plebis,
tribunis plebis, quaestoribus, matribus patribusque conscriptis, Collegio Pontificum, universisque civibus, mihi, domo, familiae!

Sacrificium:

(wine and incense are placed in the fire)

Quarum rerum ergo macte hoc vino libando, hoc ture ommovendo esto, fito volens
propitius hoc anno anniversario quarto decimo Novae Romae conditae, Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, nobis, domibus, familiis!

(Libation is made and incense offered)

Ilicet!

Piaculum:

Iane, Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva, Concordia, Omnes Di Inmortales quocumque nomine, Vesta:
si quid horum sacrorum vobis non cordi fuit, hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio.

(Libation of wine is made)


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(English translation)
(Be silent!)

Praefatio:
Jupiter Optimus Maximus in offering that incens I pray by those good prayers that you are propitious for the people of Nova Roma,
the Quirites, for me, my home, my family!
(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)
(Jupiter Optimus Maximus, in offering to you that incens I prayed with good prayers, for that same reason be honored by that offered wine!)
(Libation of wine is made.)
Precatio:
(Jupiter Optimus Maximus, today on this festive day of the Games of Nova Roma and the fourteenth birthday of the foundation of Nova Roma, I pray and request
that you reinforce, increase, help the Republic of the People of Nova Roma, the Quirites, that you are propitious to the consuls, praetors, aedile curule, aediles of the Plebs, the tribunes of the Plebs, the quaestors, the senators, the College of the pontiffs, all the citizens, me, my home, my family!)
Sacrificium:
(wine and incense are placed in the fire)
(For those reasons be honored by this poured wine, by this offered incens, be propitious to this year of the fourteenth anniversary of the foundation of Nova Roma, to the People of Nova Roma, the Quirites, to us, our homes, our families.
(Libation is made and incense sacrificed)
It's over!
Piaculum:
Janus, Jupiter, Juno, Minerva, Concordia, all immortal gods of whatever name, Vesta: if something of this ceremony was not well received Ibeg your pardon with this offering of wine and I make amends for my fault.
(Libation of wine is made)
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Good luck for all those who are involved in the Games.
Good luck to our aedilis curulis C. Maria Caeca.

Optime valete.

--
C. Petronius Dexter
Pontifex Maximus Arcoiali scribebat
Kalendis Martiis Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87436 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: KALENDIS MARTIIS - THE MATRONALIA
Hodiernus dies est Kalendis Martiis; hic dies nefastus publicus est.

"Come Mars, God of War, lay aside your shield and spear:
A moment, from your helmet, free your shining hair.
What has a poet to do with Mars, you might ask?
The month I sing of takes its name from you.
You see, yourself, fierce wars waged by Minerva:
Is she less free to practice the noble arts for that?
Take time to set aside you lance and follow Pallas'
Example: and find something to do while unarmed...
`If it's right for the secret promptings of the gods
To be heard by poets, as it's rumoured they may,
Tell me, Gradivus, Marching God, why women keep
Your feast, you who are apt to be served by men.'
So I spoke. And Mars answered, laying aside his helmet,
But keeping his throwing spear in his right hand:
Now am I, a god used to warfare, invoked
In pursuit of peace, and I'm carried into new camps,
And I don't dislike it: I like to take on this function,
Lest Minerva think that she alone can do so...
Mamurius carried out the task: whether he was superior
In his craft or his character it would be hard to say.
Gracious Numa said to him: `Ask a reward for your work,
You'll not ask in vain of one known for honesty.'
He'd already given the Salii, named from their leaping (saltus),
Weapons: and words to be sung to a certain tune.
Mamurius replied: `Give me glory as my prize,
And let my name be sounded at the song's end.'
So the priests grant the reward promised for his
Ancient work, and now call out `Mamurius'." - Ovid, Fasti III

"Ares, exceeding in strength, chariot-rider, golden- helmed, doughty
in heart, shield-bearer, Saviour of cities, harnessed in bronze,
strong of arm, unwearying, mighty with the spear, O defence of
Olympus, father of warlike Victory, ally of Themis, stern governor of
the rebellious, leader of righteous men, sceptred King of manliness,
who whirl your fiery sphere among the planets in their sevenfold
courses through the aether wherein your blazing steeds ever bear you
above the third firmament of heaven; hear me, helper of men, giver of
dauntless youth! Shed down a kindly ray from above upon my life, and
strength of war, that I may be able to drive away bitter cowardice
from my head and crush down the deceitful impulses of my soul.
Restrain also the keen fury of my heart which provokes me to tread the
ways of blood-curdling strife. Rather, O blessed one, give you me
boldness to abide within the harmless laws of peace, avoiding strife
and hatred and the violent fiends of death." - Homer, Ode to Ares II.1-17

The month of Martias is dedicated to the god of war, Mars, both in his
aspect as Mars Quirinus, the Protector of the Roman People and Mars
Gravidus, the leader of the Romans at war. Mars was the son of Iuno,
Iuppiter's wife. Iuppiter had given rise to the goddess Minerva by
birthing her through his head. Iuno was jealous of this event, and
asked the goddess Flora to help her in the task of creating a son.
Flora, the goddess of blossoming plants touched Juno with magical
herbs and created Mars in her womb.

Mars raped the vestal virgin Rhea Silvia while she slept, she gave
birth to twins called Romulus and Remus. Rhea was imprisoned because
of the sacred laws of her vows, and her sons were left in baskets on
the river. They were brought up by wolves and eventually founded Rome.
Mars was often depicted riding a two-horse chariot, with a spear and
a shield, both items with magical properties. His shield in particular
was an important object and symbol for the Romans, according to legend
one is said to have fallen from the sky to save the Romans during
battle. Sacred shields were kept in the temples of Mars and the one
alleged to have fallen from the sky was reserved for the Forum, where
it was said to guard Rome from attack.

Primarily Mars was invoked for battle and all things associated with
war. For obvious reasons he was a favorite among soldiers in the Roman
army.


"Girl if you'd marry, delay, however eager both are:
A little delay, at this time, is of great advantage.
Weapons excite to war, war's bad for those married:
The omens will be better when weapons are put away.
Now the girded wife of the peak-capped Flamen Dialis
Has to keep her hair free from the comb." - Ovid, Fasti III

Today is also the celebration of the Matronalia, a feast dedicated to
matrons and their special Protectress, Iuno in her aspect as Iuno
Lucina, the "light bringer". Iuno Lucina was an aspect of the goddess
Iuno associated with light and childbirth. Her name lucina probably
comes from the Latin lucus (grove). Livy records that the grove on the
Esquiline Hill in which a temple was dedicated to her in 375 B.C., is
the origin of her name.

By the second century B.C., Iuno Lucina was associated with childbirth
because the name lucina was thought to have come from the Latin word
lux (light). When a child was born it was said to have been "brought
to light." Women who worshiped Iuno Lucina had to untie knots and
unbraid their hair lest lest these entanglements symbolically block
delivery.

From the many reasons which Ovid gives why the festival was kept on
this day, it is evident that there was no certain tradition on the
subject; but the prevailing opinion seems to have been that it was
instituted in memory of the peace between the Romans and the Sabines,
which was brought about by means of the Sabine women. At this festival
wives used to receive presents from their husbands, and at a later
time girls from their lovers; mistresses also were accustomed to feast
their female slaves.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87437 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Official announcement of the opening of the Ludi Novi Romani of 276
EX OFFICIO C. Maria Caeca Aedilis



*POMPA*



As the sun rises, with the promise of a glorious, cool day, The richly draped litters bearing the luxuriously clothed and jeweled images of the gods are carried by honor guards of athletes and attended by priests through the streets and to the Temple of Iupiter. They are followed by the Pontifexes and other religious officials, the Consuls, Senate, and magistrates. The procession has wound through the city, where citizens have gathered in the pre-dawn chill to watch. As the sun ascends in golden glory, the chill begins to recede, and warm cloaks are shed.



The statues are placed in their honored positions, and the Curule Aedile, dressed in Vestal white, walks slowly to the temporary altar which has been placed on a landing, above the crowd, but below the sacred images. She covers her head with her Pala, makes an adoratio to the gods, lifts her hands, and, in the silence that follows, prays in a resounding voice.



Opening ritual:





"O Great Jupiter Capitoline,



and You, Mars, founder and bearer of the Roman Name,



and You, Concordia, creative force of Our Nation's Unity,



and You, Vesta, keeper of the Eternal Flame,



and all of You, eternal Gods,



who raised this mass of the Roman Republic



to the highest glories of the world,



I pray and invoke You in the name of the New Roman People:



knit together the many threads of our endeavors,



strengthen our service to the Republic of Nova Roma,



and let any action or intention which does not meet with Your approbation

dwindle.





For the sake of these very things, may you be honored by this incense."



She puts some incense into the fire, makes an adoratio, and steps back, standing perfectly still for a moment of reflection.



The Aedile then turns to her right, and descends a few steps, holds her hands out to the crowd, and speaks to the people of Nova Roma.



"I, Gaia Maria Caeca, Curule Aedile of Nova Roma for this year, hereby proclaim the Ludi Novi Romani of 2765 open! Let us, fellow citizens, honor our gods, honor our Nova Roma, 14 years old today, and honor one another with our competitions, feasts and celebrations.



LET THE GAMES BEGIN!



Trumpets and symbols sound, exuberantly, and cheers fill the city. After a time, the Curule Aedile makes a gesture, and with a smile, extends her hand to the Senior Consul, who towers over her, reminding everyone how small she is.



"Fellow citizens," she says, and the music stops, while people settle down. "My fellow citizens, before I address you, it is my great pleasure and honor to present your Consul, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar!"



The crowd roars with approval, and the Curule Aedile is escorted to her place in the seats provided for the Senate and senior magistrates.










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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87438 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Question on SPD greeting
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Sp. Decio Ripario quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> Please see comments below.
>
>
> Riparius omnibus S.P.D.
> I hope this hasn't been discussed to death before but I'm confused. I
> have a question regarding the greeting we use in these messages. On the
> wiki it states we can use SPD for short. SPD, of course, stands for
> salutem plurimam dicit. Now, I am new to Latin and am trying to
> understand this. If I may analyze the greeting from this message,
> "Riparius omnibus salutem plurimam dicit". Riparius is the subject so it
> is in the nominative form. Omnibus being the indirect object is in the
> dative form. Salutem being the direct object is in the accusative along
> with its adjective plurimam. Dicit is the verb in the third person
> singular active voice.
>
> When I look up salutem online, I only see that it is the first-person
> singular present active subjunctive of salūtāre.
> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/saluto#Latin
> <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/saluto#Latin> That means it's a verb.
> Shouldn't there be a noun at this part of the greeting? I also found the
> noun salūtātiō. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/salutatio
> <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/salutatio> If I'm understanding this
> properly, I would think the greeting would go as follows:
> RÄ«pārius omnibus salÅ«tātiōnÄ"s
> plūrimās dīcit. I selected plūrimas to match the
> accusative plural of the feminine noun it describes.
> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/plurimus#Latin
> <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/plurimus#Latin>
>
> As far as I know, the subjunctive is used when referring to something
> "unknown in the future", as in "may you be ...". I may be completely
> wrong on my assumptions. I know I should consult more than one source
> but this seems clear cut. Of course the initials are still the same, but
> I'm just trying to understand it all. Does the greeting I came up with
> make any sense to anyone?
>
> ATS: Yes, the subjunctive denotes unreality; you are perfectly correct
> about that, though the Latin version is used where we might not deem it
> necessary. English, of course, has a subjunctive, but hardly anyone knows
> what it is [if I be, if you be, if he be...] . Thing is in this case, as
> Tribunus Hadrianus pointed out, there are two words spelled salutem in Latin.
> One is the accusative case of the word salus, health, whose declension our
> good tribune provided a while ago, and the other is the subjunctive of the
> word saluto, I greet. Just as English (and other languages) have words which
> have different meanings, but look identical, or are pronounced differently,
> and have different meanings, Latin has such words. Normally the context will
> provide clues, but that is not always the case. One of the more famous
> instances in Latin is the word ius / jus, whose genitives are iuris / juris.
> Both are neuters of the third declension. Both have a long vowel (many Latin
> words and grammatical forms differ from one another ONLY in the length of one
> vowel or another), but one word jus means right, law, and the other
> means...gravy or sauce. Palus with a short a and a long u means swamp, and
> palus with a long a and a short u means a post, particularly one used for
> gladiatorial practice. Labrum with a short a means lip, and with a long a
> means (bath)tub. Mane with a long a and short e means morning, and mane with
> a short a and a long e is a commandment for Rover: stay! In our schola we
> mark such vowel lengths with the apex; some Latin texts use the macron for all
> vowel length distinctions (note that Latin vowels are pronounced rather like
> those in Italian, NOT those in English!). However, there still are those
> problem words which are exactly alike, but may have widely different meanings.
> Salutem (noun in the accusative singular) and salutem (verb in the first
> person singular present subjunctive) are among them.
>
> Lastly, I'm posting this here to avoid any interpretation of discussing
> matters internal to Nova Roma in a public forum, in any way.
>
> ATS: Here you have entered the (medieval-type) lists: you may do battle
> here so long as you behave reasonably well. The Forum Hospitum forbids
> discussion of many matters internal to Nova Roma, but here we may discuss NR
> to our hearts¹ content.
>
> Optime
> valete!
>
> Sp. Decius Riparius
>
> Optime vale et valete!
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87439 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica A. Liburnio Hadriano L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D..
>
>
>
> A. Liburnius L. Aquilae salutem dicit
>  
> While your translation are correct, they do not sound familiar to a Latin
> ear.  I would suggest, if you do not mind, something more along these lines:
>  
> Appellor (Domina) Lucia Julia Aquila.  Nashburgo Tennessiano incolo. (I am
> called/I call myself LJA. I inhabit Nashville Tennessee )
> Male latine loquor. (Ego) exorceam oportet.  (I speak Latin poorly, it is
> necessary that I practice).
>
>
> ATS: More idiomatically: mihi nomen est Luciae Juliae Aquilae.
> Nasburgum incolo (this takes the accusative...). Haud bene Latiné loquor;
> exercere debeo (there are other ways of doing this, however). We do not use
> dominus / domina as salutations or titles, but it seems that AGA, our Latin
> lord and master, uses dominus for the English term boss (at work).
>  
> I'll give you translations in French, Italian and Spanish, 
>  
> Je m'appelle LJA. Je vive dans Nashville enTennesse. 
> Je parle mal le latin. J'ai besoin de le pratiquer.  
>  
> Mi chiamo LJA. Vivo a Nashville, in Tennessee.
> Parlo male il latino. Ho bisogno di praticarlo.
>  
> Me llamo LJA. Vivo en Nashville en Tennessee.
> Non hablo bien  el latin.  Necesito practicar-lo 
>  
> You can use Domina if you want, but in Latin and most Romance languages that
> translates a little arrogant or with a tone of nobility. The best English
> translation of domina would be "Lady" as in Lady Diana. 
>
> ATS: Yes, but we don¹t use dominus / domina (see above...)
>  
> From Domina derive words lake Italian Madonna (Our Lady), Spanish Dueña (high
> peerage woman), and French Dame  (Our Lady)
> .
> Italian signora, Spanish señora and French madame, (English Mrs) are used only
> to point to the married status.They are normally used to address a woman after
> her introduction, which includes both maiden and married names.  
>
> ATS: Educated women in the US do not necessarily take a man¹s name at
> marriage; some use something like the Spanish system with two names, and some
> retain their so-called maiden name (they exist?).
>
> Vale optime
> ALH
>
> Valete optime!
>  
>  
> From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...
> <mailto:luciaiuliaaquila%40hotmail.com> >
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:35 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re:
> Language
>
>  
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Meum nomen est Domina Julia Aquila. Habito Nasburgi, Tenesia.
> Mea lingua latina est mala; me oportet exercere.
>
> My name is Ms. Julia Aquila. I live in Nashville Tennessee.
> My latin is bad; I need to practice.
>
> I can speak like a 3 year old Roman! *laughs* I must be able to speak at least
> some of what I study and have found folks who patiently oblige me in the local
> community. I also use some online resources that have sound files and
> interaction with others online who are light years ahead of me. But I am
> enjoying what I learn when I have time to learn and what my mature brain will
> absorb.
>
> I have compiled some sites for our cives:
>
> Learn Latin Online
> 1. http://www.learnlatinonlinefree.com/ video lessons FREE another tireless
> Magister teaching Latin to the masses.
>
> 2. https://sites.google.com/site/latiumredivivum/ Latium Redivivum video
> lessons some free, some are about $5 http://www.youtube.com/user/evan1965 FREE
> yet another tireless Magister teaching Latin to the masses. I truly like this
> site because of all the offerings including SCHOLA, an entire site in Latin
> only where you can speak with others totally in Latin ­ and they are
> wonderfully patient!
>
> 3. http://schola.ning.com/ SCHOLA as described in no. 2 I love this site,
> maybe someday I will have a greater understanding of it;)
>
> 4. http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/index.php active Latin Forum
> associated with no.2 ­ also has a free Latin Library, with textbooks as well.
>
> 5. Universities that offer online Latin courses, not free:
> http://degreedirectory.org/articles/Which_Schools_Offer_Latin_Courses_Online.h
> tml
>
> Not online, immersion:
> In Rome, Vivarium Novum, not free:
> http://www.vivariumnovum.net/eng/index.htm
>
> Other resources:
> 1. http://www.usu.edu/markdamen/Latin1000/index.htm
> Based on F. Wheelock, an Introduction to Latin, Based on Ancient Authors
> 2. http://www.internetpolyglot.com/lessons-ln-en this has basic Latin lessons
> (43 for Latin/English) mostly vocabulary for the following languages:
> Latin-English Latin-Spanish Latin-French Latin-Chinese Latin-German
> Latin-Japanese Latin-Italian Latin-Dutch Latin-Russian Latin-Portuguese
> Latin-Korean Latin-Greek Latin-Arabic Latin-Hebrew Latin-Thai Latin-Hindi
> Latin-Polish Latin-Tagalog Latin-Swedish Latin-Romanian Latin-Norwegian
> Latin-Turkish Latin-Finnish Latin-Farsi Latin-Danish Latin-Indonesian
> Latin-Czech Latin-Hungarian Latin-Ukrainian Latin-Amharic Latin-Swahili
> Latin-Bulgarian Latin-Croatian
> 3. http://www.frcoulter.com/latin/links.html tons of Latin Resources. I don't
> know about many of them but please leave a review or recommendation to
> enlighten the rest of us:)
>
> The above is very important as Nova Roma does not have a Latin Schola
> associated with it anymore. We no longer are associated with Academia Thules
> however Magstra A. Tullia Scholastica does teach Latin ­ I searched for a link
> but could not find it so please ask her.
>
> Other languages:
> http://www.livemocha.com Live Mocha is wonderful, not only are there
> interactive lessons but also audio for pronunciation. I am a gold key member ­
> but don't buy the gold key right away, join free because the beginning lessons
> are free, do a few corrections in your native language and in a short while
> Live Mocha will offer you the gold key at a great discount;)
>
> I hope someone will benefit from this
>
> Vale optime
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Yehya" <yehya_61@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Salve!
>> >
>> > The recent discussions of Latin started me thinking on the subject of
>> language in general. Tullia's comments on learning Latin as an aid to
>> developing clear and logical thought patterns (to paraphrase) make sense as I
>> think the particular structure of Latin as well as the exercise of learning a
>> language other than ones own native language has benefit.
>> >
>> > For myself I read, write, and speak in only one language. Or do I?
>> >
>> > I know several computer languages, SQL among them, that I regularly
>> communicate in. I "speak", for lack of a better term, with various databases
>> in different languages and must be precise in the terminology used. Unlike
>> Greek, Latin, English, or any other number of languages computer languages
>> require complete precision. A mis-phrased sentence or even incorrect
>> punctuation can invalidate an entire piece of code. Clumsy phrasing can cause
>> it to run long or inefficiently. And an improperly structured piece can
>> result in inefficient or even unusable results. And I would make the case
>> that for helping to develop clear and logical thought patterns teaching basic
>> SQL code and database design far outstrips any other language, Latin
>> included. For it is a discipline that requires precision and orderly thought.
>> >
>> > So do I speak any other languages? although some may consider it as a
>> language, I do read neo-classical architecture. The relationship of rooms
>> sizes and locations, solids and voids, columns, even the type of style
>> selected, all speak their own language to those that can read it. (One of the
>> classics on the discipline is Sir John Summerson's "The Classical Language of
>> Architecture" Boston: MIT Press, 1965 which reinforces the idea of the
>> language of classical architecture.)
>> >
>> > So how many languages do you "speak"?
>> >
>> > Vale!
>> >
>> > G. Claudius Axenrothus
>> >
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87440 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
A. Liburnius A. Scholaticae,  L. Aquilae, C Dextero omnibusque in foro salutem

Magistra, thank you for the corrections. I will make some comments. on some of the changes, particularly in the light of the fact that  as you say "there are other ways of doing this".

1) Appelor XYZ. I decided to use the first example that came to my mind (Caesar "de Bello Gallico")  or more precisely:  "...tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra Galli appellantur...'' Maybe not the best choice. It matches, though, the "reflexive" or "pronominal" form used in the Romance languages in this case. The interesting point is that these verbal forms are considered a shortcut to a full passive form, i.e, in this case: "I call myself XYZ => I am called  XYZ (by myself)".

2) Nasburgum incolo. The germanic "Burgus" is a masculine word of the second declension in vary late Latin, from which we derive the Italian Borgo, the Spanish Burgo, the Portuguese Burgo, the (neutral) Romanian Burg, the French Bourg and  the English Borough. I used incorrectly the locative Nasburgo, which does not apply here.  It is definitively not a word of the third declension, as Nasburgi would imply. 

3) Exorceam, should have been exerceam , let's call it a lapsus digiti (typing error) 

4) oportet was used by L. Julia Aquila. I wanted to work around it.

4) I apologize to Dexter and France for forgetting that "vivre" is an irregular verb in French only.

To answer your question about hyphenated names, it is traditional in Romance languages to stress the social standing of the wife's origins. A good example would be: "Mary  of Windsor (married to) Smith". The illustrious standing of the wife reflects a flattering light on the husband. In Spanish speaking countries is common for children to carry the names of both parents and to select one or both names, at their choice, upon reaching major age.

Extremely rude, instead, is considered the  English form "Mrs John Smith" which denies the wife an independent standing, by obliterating even her first name.  

Valete,
ALH

From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language


 
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica A. Liburnio Hadriano L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D..
>
>
>
> A. Liburnius L. Aquilae salutem dicit
>  
> While your translation are correct, they do not sound familiar to a Latin
> ear.  I would suggest, if you do not mind, something more along these lines:
>  
> Appellor (Domina) Lucia Julia Aquila.  Nashburgo Tennessiano incolo. (I am
> called/I call myself LJA. I inhabit Nashville Tennessee )
> Male latine loquor. (Ego) exorceam oportet.  (I speak Latin poorly, it is
> necessary that I practice).
>
>
> ATS: More idiomatically: mihi nomen est Luciae Juliae Aquilae.
> Nasburgum incolo (this takes the accusative...). Haud bene Latiné loquor;
> exercere debeo (there are other ways of doing this, however). We do not use
> dominus / domina as salutations or titles, but it seems that AGA, our Latin
> lord and master, uses dominus for the English term boss (at work).
>  
> I'll give you translations in French, Italian and Spanish, 
>  
> Je m'appelle LJA. Je vive dans Nashville enTennesse. 
> Je parle mal le latin. J'ai besoin de le pratiquer.  
>  
> Mi chiamo LJA. Vivo a Nashville, in Tennessee.
> Parlo male il latino. Ho bisogno di praticarlo.
>  
> Me llamo LJA. Vivo en Nashville en Tennessee.
> Non hablo bien  el latin.  Necesito practicar-lo 
>  
> You can use Domina if you want, but in Latin and most Romance languages that
> translates a little arrogant or with a tone of nobility. The best English
> translation of domina would be "Lady" as in Lady Diana. 
>
> ATS: Yes, but we don¹t use dominus / domina (see above...)
>  
> From Domina derive words lake Italian Madonna (Our Lady), Spanish Dueña (high
> peerage woman), and French Dame  (Our Lady)
> .
> Italian signora, Spanish señora and French madame, (English Mrs) are used only
> to point to the married status.They are normally used to address a woman after
> her introduction, which includes both maiden and married names.  
>
> ATS: Educated women in the US do not necessarily take a man¹s name at
> marriage; some use something like the Spanish system with two names, and some
> retain their so-called maiden name (they exist?).
>
> Vale optime
> ALH
>
> Valete optime!
>  
>  
> From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...
> <mailto:luciaiuliaaquila%40hotmail.com> >
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:35 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re:
> Language
>
>  
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Meum nomen est Domina Julia Aquila. Habito Nasburgi, Tenesia.
> Mea lingua latina est mala; me oportet exercere.
>
> My name is Ms. Julia Aquila. I live in Nashville Tennessee.
> My latin is bad; I need to practice.
>
> I can speak like a 3 year old Roman! *laughs* I must be able to speak at least
> some of what I study and have found folks who patiently oblige me in the local
> community. I also use some online resources that have sound files and
> interaction with others online who are light years ahead of me. But I am
> enjoying what I learn when I have time to learn and what my mature brain will
> absorb.
>
> I have compiled some sites for our cives:
>
> Learn Latin Online
> 1. http://www.learnlatinonlinefree.com/ video lessons FREE another tireless
> Magister teaching Latin to the masses.
>
> 2. https://sites.google.com/site/latiumredivivum/ Latium Redivivum video
> lessons some free, some are about $5 http://www.youtube.com/user/evan1965 FREE
> yet another tireless Magister teaching Latin to the masses. I truly like this
> site because of all the offerings including SCHOLA, an entire site in Latin
> only where you can speak with others totally in Latin ­ and they are
> wonderfully patient!
>
> 3. http://schola.ning.com/ SCHOLA as described in no. 2 I love this site,
> maybe someday I will have a greater understanding of it;)
>
> 4. http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/index.php active Latin Forum
> associated with no.2 ­ also has a free Latin Library, with textbooks as well.
>
> 5. Universities that offer online Latin courses, not free:
> http://degreedirectory.org/articles/Which_Schools_Offer_Latin_Courses_Online.h
> tml
>
> Not online, immersion:
> In Rome, Vivarium Novum, not free:
> http://www.vivariumnovum.net/eng/index.htm
>
> Other resources:
> 1. http://www.usu.edu/markdamen/Latin1000/index.htm
> Based on F. Wheelock, an Introduction to Latin, Based on Ancient Authors
> 2. http://www.internetpolyglot.com/lessons-ln-en this has basic Latin lessons
> (43 for Latin/English) mostly vocabulary for the following languages:
> Latin-English Latin-Spanish Latin-French Latin-Chinese Latin-German
> Latin-Japanese Latin-Italian Latin-Dutch Latin-Russian Latin-Portuguese
> Latin-Korean Latin-Greek Latin-Arabic Latin-Hebrew Latin-Thai Latin-Hindi
> Latin-Polish Latin-Tagalog Latin-Swedish Latin-Romanian Latin-Norwegian
> Latin-Turkish Latin-Finnish Latin-Farsi Latin-Danish Latin-Indonesian
> Latin-Czech Latin-Hungarian Latin-Ukrainian Latin-Amharic Latin-Swahili
> Latin-Bulgarian Latin-Croatian
> 3. http://www.frcoulter.com/latin/links.html tons of Latin Resources. I don't
> know about many of them but please leave a review or recommendation to
> enlighten the rest of us:)
>
> The above is very important as Nova Roma does not have a Latin Schola
> associated with it anymore. We no longer are associated with Academia Thules
> however Magstra A. Tullia Scholastica does teach Latin ­ I searched for a link
> but could not find it so please ask her.
>
> Other languages:
> http://www.livemocha.com Live Mocha is wonderful, not only are there
> interactive lessons but also audio for pronunciation. I am a gold key member ­
> but don't buy the gold key right away, join free because the beginning lessons
> are free, do a few corrections in your native language and in a short while
> Live Mocha will offer you the gold key at a great discount;)
>
> I hope someone will benefit from this
>
> Vale optime
>
> Julia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Yehya" <yehya_61@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Salve!
>> >
>> > The recent discussions of Latin started me thinking on the subject of
>> language in general. Tullia's comments on learning Latin as an aid to
>> developing clear and logical thought patterns (to paraphrase) make sense as I
>> think the particular structure of Latin as well as the exercise of learning a
>> language other than ones own native language has benefit.
>> >
>> > For myself I read, write, and speak in only one language. Or do I?
>> >
>> > I know several computer languages, SQL among them, that I regularly
>> communicate in. I "speak", for lack of a better term, with various databases
>> in different languages and must be precise in the terminology used. Unlike
>> Greek, Latin, English, or any other number of languages computer languages
>> require complete precision. A mis-phrased sentence or even incorrect
>> punctuation can invalidate an entire piece of code. Clumsy phrasing can cause
>> it to run long or inefficiently. And an improperly structured piece can
>> result in inefficient or even unusable results. And I would make the case
>> that for helping to develop clear and logical thought patterns teaching basic
>> SQL code and database design far outstrips any other language, Latin
>> included. For it is a discipline that requires precision and orderly thought.
>> >
>> > So do I speak any other languages? although some may consider it as a
>> language, I do read neo-classical architecture. The relationship of rooms
>> sizes and locations, solids and voids, columns, even the type of style
>> selected, all speak their own language to those that can read it. (One of the
>> classics on the discipline is Sir John Summerson's "The Classical Language of
>> Architecture" Boston: MIT Press, 1965 which reinforces the idea of the
>> language of classical architecture.)
>> >
>> > So how many languages do you "speak"?
>> >
>> > Vale!
>> >
>> > G. Claudius Axenrothus
>> >
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87441 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Official announcement of the opening of the Ludi Novi Romani of
Cn. Iulius Caesar consul sal.

So our Ludi Novi Romani commences. The ludi are an opportunity for us to echo a tradition of the ancients, a celebration that brings us together and which is not only meant to be fun but which involves the Gods. This is a time when we can also focus on what brought us to Nova Roma and what keeps us here.

Finding Nova Roma was for me a very exciting moment. It offered me the opportunity to enter a community, to share the passion for all things Roman with others and to be part of something that had a higher purpose than just a discussion of Romanitas and history. It was the vision of a rebirth of a culture, within the context of a state, whose unified formal expression in the west had ended in 476 CE. An amazing concept, a brilliant vision. Who, with a love of Ancient Rome and a belief that the experience that was Rome should have life again outside of the study of history, could fail to be stirred by that? Like everyone else, I went through the process of selecting a name, stumbling around for awhile wondering how it all worked in Nova Roma, making friends, building contacts, undertaking projects. I also learned that as a community, as with every other one in the field of human endeavour, be it volunteer or within a work environment, Nova Roma faced challenges. The debates over politics, laws, taxes, religion were at times, fast, furious and heated. I also realised that this is the price we pay for building a community as opposed to hosting an academic discussion group. To me it is the sign of a healthy, involved and passionate community. The ludi is an opportunity to put aside those challenges, and for awhile simply exist as a community

So I invite you all, new, not so new and citizens of many years, to enjoy this moment, to participate if you wish, or simply sit in the stands and watch. Regardless of your choice, reflect on the fact that this is a time of unity, a moment in time when we are linked to past tradition, while bringing our own unique blend of Romanitas and expression of that tradition to the event. This is not just a series of events on a mailing list, but for me at least an opportunity to reach out and touch the past, while celebrating where we are and keeping a firm grasp on where we have yet to reach and the journey we all have yet to continue together.

Optime valete

From: C. Maria Caeca
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:33 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com ; Nova_roma_@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Official announcement of the opening of the Ludi Novi Romani of 276


EX OFFICIO C. Maria Caeca Aedilis

*POMPA*

As the sun rises, with the promise of a glorious, cool day, The richly draped litters bearing the luxuriously clothed and jeweled images of the gods are carried by honor guards of athletes and attended by priests through the streets and to the Temple of Iupiter. They are followed by the Pontifexes and other religious officials, the Consuls, Senate, and magistrates. The procession has wound through the city, where citizens have gathered in the pre-dawn chill to watch. As the sun ascends in golden glory, the chill begins to recede, and warm cloaks are shed.

The statues are placed in their honored positions, and the Curule Aedile, dressed in Vestal white, walks slowly to the temporary altar which has been placed on a landing, above the crowd, but below the sacred images. She covers her head with her Pala, makes an adoratio to the gods, lifts her hands, and, in the silence that follows, prays in a resounding voice.

Opening ritual:

"O Great Jupiter Capitoline,

and You, Mars, founder and bearer of the Roman Name,

and You, Concordia, creative force of Our Nation's Unity,

and You, Vesta, keeper of the Eternal Flame,

and all of You, eternal Gods,

who raised this mass of the Roman Republic

to the highest glories of the world,



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87442 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Aedile's address: Re: [Nova-Roma] Official announcement of the openi
As the Consul's speech ends and he receives the enthusiastic applause and cheers of the crowd, tossed flowers heaping around his feet like tribute, The Aedile rises from her seat, and is escorted to the steps. She stands at the bottom, applauding and smiling up at the Consul, waiting until he goes to his seat and to the quieter, but equally appreciative praises of his colleague, Senators other magistrates and honored guests.



The Aedile takes her place at the microphone, and is cheered on by the people, while vendors of all sorts work the crowd, offering everything from spice nuts to pastries of every sort, wine, trinkets, programs, and other souvenirs of the games and of Nova Roma itself. The Aedile lifts her hands, finally, for silence, and begins



I came here, 4 years ago, from another email list, read the web site (then the old one), and was amazed and fascinated. That anyone was trying to do this intrigued me. That a whole *group* of people were in the process of doing it, people from all over the world, tied together only by the internet, caused me to ask so many questions that it took me over a year to get them all answered, but I knew one thing. Well, 2 things, actually. First, I believed then, and believe now, that the Roman republic had contributed immeasurably to Western civilization, and that anything that stemmed from those roots, if it stayed true to its foundation, could and would contribute something of value in my time, and 2. I wanted to be a part of this bold, impossible, wonderful dream and project.



I spent my first year here pestering anyone who would bear with me about everything Nova Roman, reading the web site, reading every post, and writing down more questions. I found kind, patient people, both on and off several lists, who didn't mind answering my questions, who referred me to excellent source material, and who encouraged me to become active. It didn't take much encouragement, I admit, and soon I did, working as a scribe, posting from time to time, and making a few friends.



I watched while this community made mistakes and recovered from them. Things that didn't work got tried and set aside or modified. Politics got debated, often with vigor, people came and left, and sometimes we went too fast and had to pull back, re-evaluate, and try again. Thing is, we *always* tried again, and I have confidence that we always will, because the vision stands, and the vision stays in tact. What changes is the road we take to achieve it, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot, but we manage to find a way, and whether it is a smooth road or an impassible morass, we keep journeying, because nothing short of that is acceptable, not to Romans, ancient or modern.



When I was so very ill last year, I realized emphatically just how much this community has come to mean to me, personally. I think it might have been the first thing I asked about when I could finally receive phone calls, but others will have to confirm that. That told me something, though, and it is something I won't ever forget. If something, be it a really fine book a piece of great art work, timeless music, genuine friendship, or a community of people striving for the same goal takes root and flourishes within you, it becomes a part of your internal structure; so much a part of you that you carry it inside you, and are influenced by it, are altered by it, and if it is something like a community in which you are deeply involved, you have an influence on that, too. You are part of its shaping, whether you will it or not, and whether you consciously contribute to it or not.



I think it is important for all of us, including our newest citizens, to remember this. When you came here, you carried your skills and talents in with you. You brought your perspectives and experience; your expectations, hopes and interest in things Roman, and you brought yourselves...your very human wish to establish contact with others perhaps your desire to make some friends of like mind, your sense of humor, and your willingness and ability to be a part of this incredible construct. You can do so, and I hope you will. One of the very best places to begin contributing is in the Ludi. One of the functions these games serve is to strengthen that invisible mesh that holds us all, scattered as we are by geography, language, culture and experience, together, and makes us a definable group ...a community. No, we aren't discussing vital, urgent matters. In fact, we are having fun ...and it is our shared laughter and enjoyment that will, ultimately bind us, and make it possible to deal with those vital, urgent issues, because we will know that, beneath the passionate, heated debates, we have said yes to our vision, and we have committed ourselves to that affirmation.



So, citizens of Nova Roma, enjoy this, our 14th birthday party, in any you way you chose! Have a grand time ...but understand that the Ludi aren't just spectacles. They are many things, and they are an integral art of the life of this, our Nova Roma.



Nova Romana sum. Semper Nova Romana ero!








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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87443 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Aedile's opening remarks
As the Consul's speech ends and he receives the enthusiastic applause and cheers of the crowd, tossed flowers heaping around his feet like tribute, The Aedile rises from her seat, and is escorted to the steps. She stands at the bottom, applauding and smiling up at the Consul, waiting until he goes to his seat and to the quieter, but equally appreciative praises of his colleague, Senators other magistrates and honored guests.



The Aedile takes her place at the microphone, and is cheered on by the people, while vendors of all sorts work the crowd, offering everything from spice nuts to pastries of every sort, wine, trinkets, programs, and other souvenirs of the games and of Nova Roma itself. The Aedile lifts her hands, finally, for silence, and begins



I came here, 4 years ago, from another email list, read the web site (then the old one), and was amazed and fascinated. That anyone was trying to do this intrigued me. That a whole *group* of people were in the process of doing it, people from all over the world, tied together only by the internet, caused me to ask so many questions that it took me over a year to get them all answered, but I knew one thing. Well, 2 things, actually. First, I believed then, and believe now, that the Roman republic had contributed immeasurably to Western civilization, and that anything that stemmed from those roots, if it stayed true to its foundation, could and would contribute something of value in my time, and 2. I wanted to be a part of this bold, impossible, wonderful dream and project.



I spent my first year here pestering anyone who would bear with me about everything Nova Roman, reading the web site, reading every post, and writing down more questions. I found kind, patient people, both on and off several lists, who didn't mind answering my questions, who referred me to excellent source material, and who encouraged me to become active. It didn't take much encouragement, I admit, and soon I did, working as a scribe, posting from time to time, and making a few friends.



I watched while this community made mistakes and recovered from them. Things that didn't work got tried and set aside or modified. Politics got debated, often with vigor, people came and left, and sometimes we went too fast and had to pull back, re-evaluate, and try again. Thing is, we *always* tried again, and I have confidence that we always will, because the vision stands, and the vision stays in tact. What changes is the road we take to achieve it, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot, but we manage to find a way, and whether it is a smooth road or an impassible morass, we keep journeying, because nothing short of that is acceptable, not to Romans, ancient or modern.



When I was so very ill last year, I realized emphatically just how much this community has come to mean to me, personally. I think it might have been the first thing I asked about when I could finally receive phone calls, but others will have to confirm that. That told me something, though, and it is something I won't ever forget. If something, be it a really fine book a piece of great art work, timeless music, genuine friendship, or a community of people striving for the same goal takes root and flourishes within you, it becomes a part of your internal structure; so much a part of you that you carry it inside you, and are influenced by it, are altered by it, and if it is something like a community in which you are deeply involved, you have an influence on that, too. You are part of its shaping, whether you will it or not, and whether you consciously contribute to it or not.



I think it is important for all of us, including our newest citizens, to remember this. When you came here, you carried your skills and talents in with you. You brought your perspectives and experience; your expectations, hopes and interest in things Roman, and you brought yourselves...your very human wish to establish contact with others perhaps your desire to make some friends of like mind, your sense of humor, and your willingness and ability to be a part of this incredible construct. You can do so, and I hope you will. One of the very best places to begin contributing is in the Ludi. One of the functions these games serve is to strengthen that invisible mesh that holds us all, scattered as we are by geography, language, culture and experience, together, and makes us a definable group ...a community. No, we aren't discussing vital, urgent matters. In fact, we are having fun ...and it is our shared laughter and enjoyment that will, ultimately bind us, and make it possible to deal with those vital, urgent issues, because we will know that, beneath the passionate, heated debates, we have said yes to our vision, and we have committed ourselves to that affirmation.



So, citizens of Nova Roma, enjoy this, our 14th birthday party, in any you way you chose! Have a grand time ...but understand that the Ludi aren't just spectacles. They are many things, and they are an integral art of the life of this, our Nova Roma.



Nova Romana sum. Semper Nova Romana ero!








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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87444 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Ludi events!
C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

First, if 2 copies of my last message appear here, I graciously permit you to read only 1 of them. Um ...due to technical issues entirely beyond my control (as most are), I may have sent it twice, oops!

But ...we were talking abut Ludi events! Well! We have 3 quizzes for you, which will be announced soon by each quiz facilitator. You already know about the essay contest, but we're going to test your knowledge is several fun ways, and yes, indeed, prizes will go to the winners!

We have the chariot aces coming up, and you still have time to get those chariots in!!!!!! I understand that the Greens are still under represented ..so, Factio Praescena ...you know what to do.

We will be presenting the Triclinium chats again this year, because they were so popular, and because we enjoy writing them so much, so we hope that you share our enjoyment. Also, there will be a parade ...celebrating *us*. thee will be parties, too, described in full for your delectation, and we will honor our gods in many ways. Early this morning, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Pontifex performed the sacred rites and sacrifices for Nova Roma, and will be telling you about them some time today. Each day there will be prayers, poems and other material designed to honor and please our gods, and each day our focus will be on one of those good gods.

I encourage you to relax a bit, and have fun! Cheer on your factiones! Interact with other people on the list ...participate in the contests, and have fun!

Oh yes, and there may be surprises! With the cohort I've got ...one just never knows what will happen, but whatever does, it will be good, and you can count on that!

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Curule Aedile

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87445 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Aedile's address: Re: [Nova-Roma] Official announcement of the o
Cheers!

Thank you Aedilis for so good speech and for remind us so well why we are here.

Vale et valete,
Crassus

Sent by iPhone

No dia 1 de Mar de 2012, às 18:00, "C. Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@...> escreveu:

> As the Consul's speech ends and he receives the enthusiastic applause and cheers of the crowd, tossed flowers heaping around his feet like tribute, The Aedile rises from her seat, and is escorted to the steps. She stands at the bottom, applauding and smiling up at the Consul, waiting until he goes to his seat and to the quieter, but equally appreciative praises of his colleague, Senators other magistrates and honored guests.
>
> The Aedile takes her place at the microphone, and is cheered on by the people, while vendors of all sorts work the crowd, offering everything from spice nuts to pastries of every sort, wine, trinkets, programs, and other souvenirs of the games and of Nova Roma itself. The Aedile lifts her hands, finally, for silence, and begins
>
> I came here, 4 years ago, from another email list, read the web site (then the old one), and was amazed and fascinated. That anyone was trying to do this intrigued me. That a whole *group* of people were in the process of doing it, people from all over the world, tied together only by the internet, caused me to ask so many questions that it took me over a year to get them all answered, but I knew one thing. Well, 2 things, actually. First, I believed then, and believe now, that the Roman republic had contributed immeasurably to Western civilization, and that anything that stemmed from those roots, if it stayed true to its foundation, could and would contribute something of value in my time, and 2. I wanted to be a part of this bold, impossible, wonderful dream and project.
>
> I spent my first year here pestering anyone who would bear with me about everything Nova Roman, reading the web site, reading every post, and writing down more questions. I found kind, patient people, both on and off several lists, who didn't mind answering my questions, who referred me to excellent source material, and who encouraged me to become active. It didn't take much encouragement, I admit, and soon I did, working as a scribe, posting from time to time, and making a few friends.
>
> I watched while this community made mistakes and recovered from them. Things that didn't work got tried and set aside or modified. Politics got debated, often with vigor, people came and left, and sometimes we went too fast and had to pull back, re-evaluate, and try again. Thing is, we *always* tried again, and I have confidence that we always will, because the vision stands, and the vision stays in tact. What changes is the road we take to achieve it, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot, but we manage to find a way, and whether it is a smooth road or an impassible morass, we keep journeying, because nothing short of that is acceptable, not to Romans, ancient or modern.
>
> When I was so very ill last year, I realized emphatically just how much this community has come to mean to me, personally. I think it might have been the first thing I asked about when I could finally receive phone calls, but others will have to confirm that. That told me something, though, and it is something I won't ever forget. If something, be it a really fine book a piece of great art work, timeless music, genuine friendship, or a community of people striving for the same goal takes root and flourishes within you, it becomes a part of your internal structure; so much a part of you that you carry it inside you, and are influenced by it, are altered by it, and if it is something like a community in which you are deeply involved, you have an influence on that, too. You are part of its shaping, whether you will it or not, and whether you consciously contribute to it or not.
>
> I think it is important for all of us, including our newest citizens, to remember this. When you came here, you carried your skills and talents in with you. You brought your perspectives and experience; your expectations, hopes and interest in things Roman, and you brought yourselves...your very human wish to establish contact with others perhaps your desire to make some friends of like mind, your sense of humor, and your willingness and ability to be a part of this incredible construct. You can do so, and I hope you will. One of the very best places to begin contributing is in the Ludi. One of the functions these games serve is to strengthen that invisible mesh that holds us all, scattered as we are by geography, language, culture and experience, together, and makes us a definable group ...a community. No, we aren't discussing vital, urgent matters. In fact, we are having fun ...and it is our shared laughter and enjoyment that will, ultimately bind us, and make it possible to deal with those vital, urgent issues, because we will know that, beneath the passionate, heated debates, we have said yes to our vision, and we have committed ourselves to that affirmation.
>
> So, citizens of Nova Roma, enjoy this, our 14th birthday party, in any you way you chose! Have a grand time ...but understand that the Ludi aren't just spectacles. They are many things, and they are an integral art of the life of this, our Nova Roma.
>
> Nova Romana sum. Semper Nova Romana ero!
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87446 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: CONCORDIALIA RITUAL for the 14th Anniversary of Nova Roma
CN CORNELIUS LENTULUS : PONTIFEX : SACERDOS CONCORDIAE : QUIRITIBUS : S P D



Salvete et avete, Novi Romani Quirites!



Vivat Nova Roma invicta!

Hail to Nova Roma, invincible!



Here it is again, the day, the most beautiful day, Our Day, the day when the
New Roman Movement started -- when everything started. This is why we can be
here: today, 14 years ago, Nova Roma was founded, the New Roman Nation was
born. And, by completing 14, the 15th year of Nova Roma starts today.



Let us never forget why we are here: to restore the Roman religion, culture and
virtues, and to create a city, a real, tangible, physical city, Nova Roma,
sometime in the future, when we are ready, when our resources and the Destiny permit
this.



We are very diverse and different people, yet we have one common goal: to
restore the Roman Republic. To revive the customs, the language, the cults and
the culture of our model, the ancient Rome.



This why we worship Goddes Concordia as the Patron Goddess of Nova Roma, the
Goddess of the Nova Roman People's Concord - She is whom we need first and
foremost in this 14-years-old Republic: to re-unite all Romans in one Nation,
in one true entity: in Nova Roma --to re-unite all of those people who call
themselves Roman today.



TODAY I have performed the Concordialia ceremony for the 14th Anniversary of
the founding of our Res Publica Nova Romana, in the name of the Collegium
Pontificum, the Senate and the People, and every single citizen of our commonwealth.



I sacrificed milk with honey, wine, incense and 14 libums, representing our 14
years, to Concordia for protecting Nova Roma, and for Her citizens.



The text and coreography of the ceremony has been this, in which I included
Mars as his feriae are today:



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

1. SACRIFICE TO CONCORDIA POPULI NOVI ROMANI QUIRITIUM



Favete linguis!



(Beginning of the sacrifice.)



PRAEFATIO



Dea Concordia,

Concordia Novae Romae,

Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,

Concordia deorum et mortalium,

Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

hisce Kalendis Martiis anniversarii quarti decimi Novae Romae conditae,

hoc die festivissimo et sanctissimo Novae Romae conditae,

te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor,

uti sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,

Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

mihi, domo, familiae!

 

[Goddess Concordia,

the Concordance of Nova Roma,

the Concord of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma,

the Concordance of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,

the Concordance of the Nova Roman citizens,

the Concord of the gods and the mortals,

Goddess of peace and welfare of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,

on these Kalends of March of the 14th anniversary of the
founding of Nova Roma,

on this most festive and sacred day of the founding of Nova Roma,

by offering you this incense, I pray good prayers so

that you may be benevolent and propitious

to the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,

to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,

to me, to my household and to my family.]



(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)



Dea Concordia,

Concordia Novae Romae,

Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,

Concordia deorum et mortalium,

Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,

eiusdem rei ergo macte lacte inferio esto!"



[Goddess Concordia,

the Concordance of Nova Roma,

the Concord of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma,

the Concordance of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,

the Concordance of the Nova Roman citizens,

the Concord of the gods and the mortals,

Goddess of peace and welfare of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,

as by offering you the incense I have well prayed good prayers,

for the very same reason be thou blessed by this sacrificial milk.]



(Libation of milk is made.)



PRECATIO



Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,

Concordia Novae Romae,

Concordia deorum et mortalium,

Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Senatus Populique Novi Romani,

fortitudo et firmitas nostra,

hisce Kalendis Martiis anniversarii quarti decimi Novae Romae conditae,

hoc die festivissimo et sanctissimo quo Nova Roma condita est,

te precor, veneror, quaesoque obtestorque:

uti pacem concordiamque constantem societati Novae Romae tribuas;

utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium confirmes, augeas, adiuves,

omnibusque discordiis liberes;

utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;

atque hoc anno anniversarii quarti decimi Novae Romae conditae convalescat;

atque pax et concordia, salus et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat,

utique omnes qui se Romanos nominant unifices,

unum populum unamque gentem omnes qui se Romanos nominant facias,

unum populum in Nova Roma omnes Romanos hodiernos colligas;

utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,

Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

mihi, domo, familiae

omnes in hoc anno quinto decimo Novae Romae eventus bonos faustosque esse
siris;

utique sies volens propitia

Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,

Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,

Senatui Novo Romano,

Collegio Pontificum,

omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,

mihi, domo, familiae!

 

[Concordance of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,

Concord of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma,

Concordance of Nova Roma,

the Concord of the gods and the mortals,

Goddess of peace, welfare and glory of the Senate and the People of
Nova Roma,

our stronghold and steadiness,

on these Kalends of March of the 14th anniversary of the
founding of Nova Roma,

on this most festive and sacred day on which Nova Roma was founded,

I pray, worship, ask and beseech you so

that you may grant peace and steadfast concord to the society of Nova Roma;

so that you may confirm, strengthen and help

the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,

and save it from all discord;

so that the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites

may always flourish and prosper,

and in this year of the 14th anniversary may get even
stronger;

that peace and concord, the welfare and glory of Nova Roma may increase all the
time;

and that you may unite all people who call themselves Roman,

make them who call themselves Roman one people and one nation,

collect together all modern Romans as one nation united into Nova Roma;

and that you allow all events in this now starting 15th year of Nova
Roma to be good and salutary

to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,

to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,

to me, to my household and to my family;

and so that you may be benevolent and propitious

to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,

to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,

to the magistrates, the consuls, the praetors of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,

to the tribunes of the Nova Roman Plebs,

to the Nova Roman Senate,

to the College of Pontiffs,

to all Nova Roman citizens, men and women, boys and girls,

to me, to my household and to my family.]



SACRIFICIUM



Sicut verba nuncupavi,

quaeque ita faxis,

uti ego me sentio dicere:

harum rerum ergo macte

his quattuordecim libis libandis,

hoc lacte melle mixto libando,

hoc ture ommovendo

esto fito volens propitia

et hoc anno anniversarii quarti decimo Novae Romae conditae et semper

Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,

Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,

Senatui Novo Romano,

omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,

mihi, domo, familiae!

 

[As I have these words pronounced,

you shall do exactly

what I mean I am saying:

for all these reasons, thou blessed

by offering these 14  liba,

by offering this milk with honey,

by offering this incense

be benevolent and propitious

both in this year of the 14th anniversary of the founding of
Nova Roma and always,

to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,

to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,

to the magistrates, the consuls, the praetors of the Nova Roman People of
Quirites,

to the tribunes of the Nova Roman Plebs,

to the Nova Roman Senate,

to the College of Pontiffs,

to all Nova Roman citizens, men and women, boys and girls,

to me, to my household and to my family.]





(Libation of 14 liba, milk with honey is made and incense is

sacrificed.)



REDDITIO



Dea Concordia,

Concordia Novae Romae,

Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,

Concordia deorum et mortalium,

Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

uti te quattuordecim libis libandis, ture commovendo, lacte melle mixto libando
bonas preces bene precatus sum,

earundem rerum ergo macte lacte inferio esto!

 

[Goddess Concordia,

the Concordance of Nova Roma,

the Concord of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma,

the Concordance of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,

the Concordance of the Nova Roman citizens,

the Concord of the gods and the mortals,

Goddess of peace and welfare of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,

as by offering you the 14 liba, the incense and the honeyed milk I have
well prayed good prayers,

for the very same reasons be thou blessed by this sacrificial milk.]



(Libation of milk is made)

 

2. SACRIFICE TO MARS



Mars Pater,

cuius mensis et feriae hodie sunt,

earundem rerum ergo

macte vino inferio esto fito volens propitius

Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,

Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

mihi, domo, familiae!

 

[Father Mars,

whose month and festival is today,

for the very same reasons

be thou blessed by offering you this sacrificial wine,

and be benevolent and propitious

to the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,

to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,

to me, to my household and to my family.]



(Libation of wine is made)



Ilicet!



(End of the sacrifice.)



3. PIACULUM



Iane,

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

Iuppiter Optime Maxmime,

Iuno, Minerva, Mars,

Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:

si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet,

hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio.





[Ianus,

Concordia of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,

Iuppiter, the Best and Greatest,

Iuno, Minerva, Mars,

All Gods Immortal by whathever name I may call you:

if anything in this ceremony was displeasing to you,

with this sacrificial wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]



(I offered incense on the altar and poured a libation of wine on the altar.)







VIVAT NOVA ROMA ANNORUM XIV !!!



NOVA ROMA XIV !!!



Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

P O N T I F E X

SACERDOS CONCORDIAE



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87447 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: CONCORDIALIA RITUAL for the 14th Anniversary of Nova Roma
CN CORNELIUS LENTULUS : PONTIFEX : SACERDOS CONCORDIAE : QUIRITIBUS : S P D

Salvete et avete, Novi Romani Quirites!

Vivat Nova Roma invicta!
Hail to Nova Roma, invincible!

Here it is again, the day, the most beautiful day, Our Day, the day when the New Roman Movement started -- when everything started. This is why we can be here: today, 14 years ago, Nova Roma was founded, the New Roman Nation was born. And, by completing 14, the 15th year of Nova Roma starts today.

Let us never forget why we are here: to restore the Roman religion, culture and virtues, and to create a city, a real, tangible, physical city, Nova Roma, sometime in the future, when we are ready, when our resources and the Destiny permit this.

We are very diverse and different people, yet we have one common goal: to restore the Roman Republic. To revive the customs, the language, the cults and the culture of our model, the ancient Rome.

This why we worship Goddes Concordia as the Patron Goddess of Nova Roma, the Goddess of the Nova Roman People's Concord - She is whom we need first and foremost in this 14-years-old Republic: to re-unite all Romans in one Nation, in one true entity: in Nova Roma --to re-unite all of those people who call themselves Roman today.

TODAY I have performed the Concordialia ceremony for the 14th Anniversary of the founding of our Res Publica Nova Romana, in the name of the Collegium Pontificum, the Senate and the People, and every single citizen of our commonwealth.

I sacrificed milk with honey, wine, incense and 14 libums, representing our 14 years, to Concordia for protecting Nova Roma, and for Her citizens.

The text and coreography of the ceremony has been this, in which I included Mars as his feriae are today:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1. SACRIFICE TO CONCORDIA POPULI NOVI ROMANI QUIRITIUM

Favete linguis!

(Beginning of the sacrifice.)

PRAEFATIO

Dea Concordia,
Concordia Novae Romae,
Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,
Concordia deorum et mortalium,
Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
hisce Kalendis Martiis anniversarii quarti decimi Novae Romae conditae,
hoc die festivissimo et sanctissimo Novae Romae conditae,
te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[Goddess Concordia,
the Concordance of Nova Roma,
the Concord of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma,
the Concordance of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
the Concordance of the Nova Roman citizens,
the Concord of the gods and the mortals,
Goddess of peace and welfare of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
on these Kalends of March of the 14th anniversary of the founding of Nova Roma,
on this most festive and sacred day of the founding of Nova Roma,
by offering you this incense, I pray good prayers so
that you may be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
to me, to my household and to my family.]

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

Dea Concordia,
Concordia Novae Romae,
Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,
Concordia deorum et mortalium,
Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte lacte inferio esto!"

[Goddess Concordia,
the Concordance of Nova Roma,
the Concord of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma,
the Concordance of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
the Concordance of the Nova Roman citizens,
the Concord of the gods and the mortals,
Goddess of peace and welfare of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
as by offering you the incense I have well prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason be thou blessed by this sacrificial milk.]

(Libation of milk is made.)

PRECATIO

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
Concordia Novae Romae,
Concordia deorum et mortalium,
Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
fortitudo et firmitas nostra,
hisce Kalendis Martiis anniversarii quarti decimi Novae Romae conditae,
hoc die festivissimo et sanctissimo quo Nova Roma condita est,
te precor, veneror, quaesoque obtestorque:
uti pacem concordiamque constantem societati Novae Romae tribuas;
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
omnibusque discordiis liberes;
utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
atque hoc anno anniversarii quarti decimi Novae Romae conditae convalescat;
atque pax et concordia, salus et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat,
utique omnes qui se Romanos nominant unifices,
unum populum unamque gentem omnes qui se Romanos nominant facias,
unum populum in Nova Roma omnes Romanos hodiernos colligas;
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hoc anno quinto decimo Novae Romae eventus bonos faustosque esse siris;
utique sies volens propitia
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
Collegio Pontificum,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[Concordance of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
Concord of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma,
Concordance of Nova Roma,
the Concord of the gods and the mortals,
Goddess of peace, welfare and glory of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma,
our stronghold and steadiness,
on these Kalends of March of the 14th anniversary of the founding of Nova Roma,
on this most festive and sacred day on which Nova Roma was founded,
I pray, worship, ask and beseech you so
that you may grant peace and steadfast concord to the society of Nova Roma;
so that you may confirm, strengthen and help
the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
and save it from all discord;
so that the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites
may always flourish and prosper,
and in this year of the 14th anniversary may get even stronger;
that peace and concord, the welfare and glory of Nova Roma may increase all the time;
and that you may unite all people who call themselves Roman,
make them who call themselves Roman one people and one nation,
collect together all modern Romans as one nation united into Nova Roma;
and that you allow all events in this now starting 15th year of Nova Roma to be good and salutary
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to me, to my household and to my family;
and so that you may be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the magistrates, the consuls, the praetors of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the tribunes of the Nova Roman Plebs,
to the Nova Roman Senate,
to the College of Pontiffs,
to all Nova Roman citizens, men and women, boys and girls,
to me, to my household and to my family.]

SACRIFICIUM

Sicut verba nuncupavi,
quaeque ita faxis,
uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte
his quattuordecim libis libandis,
hoc lacte melle mixto libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitia
et hoc anno anniversarii quarti decimo Novae Romae conditae et semper
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[As I have these words pronounced,
you shall do exactly
what I mean I am saying:
for all these reasons, thou blessed
by offering these 14 liba,
by offering this milk with honey,
by offering this incense
be benevolent and propitious
both in this year of the 14th anniversary of the founding of Nova Roma and always,
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the magistrates, the consuls, the praetors of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the tribunes of the Nova Roman Plebs,
to the Nova Roman Senate,
to the College of Pontiffs,
to all Nova Roman citizens, men and women, boys and girls,
to me, to my household and to my family.]


(Libation of 14 liba, milk with honey is made and incense is
sacrificed.)

REDDITIO

Dea Concordia,
Concordia Novae Romae,
Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,
Concordia deorum et mortalium,
Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te quattuordecim libis libandis, ture commovendo, lacte melle mixto libando bonas preces bene precatus sum,
earundem rerum ergo macte lacte inferio esto!

[Goddess Concordia,
the Concordance of Nova Roma,
the Concord of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma,
the Concordance of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
the Concordance of the Nova Roman citizens,
the Concord of the gods and the mortals,
Goddess of peace and welfare of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
as by offering you the 14 liba, the incense and the honeyed milk I have well prayed good prayers,
for the very same reasons be thou blessed by this sacrificial milk.]

(Libation of milk is made)

2. SACRIFICE TO MARS

Mars Pater,
cuius mensis et feriae hodie sunt,
earundem rerum ergo
macte vino inferio esto fito volens propitius
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[Father Mars,
whose month and festival is today,
for the very same reasons
be thou blessed by offering you this sacrificial wine,
and be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
to me, to my household and to my family.]

(Libation of wine is made)

Ilicet!

(End of the sacrifice.)

3. PIACULUM

Iane,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Iuppiter Optime Maxmime,
Iuno, Minerva, Mars,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet,
hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio.

[Ianus,
Concordia of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
Iuppiter, the Best and Greatest,
Iuno, Minerva, Mars,
All Gods Immortal by whathever name I may call you:
if anything in this ceremony was displeasing to you,
with this sacrificial wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]

(I offered incense on the altar and poured a libation of wine on the altar.)



VIVAT NOVA ROMA ANNORUM XIV !!!

NOVA ROMA XIV !!!

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
P O N T I F E X
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87448 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Words from the Praetrix
Sta. Cornelia Juliana Aeternia Praetor Omnibus in foro S.P.D.


As I have been asked by our wonderful and amazing Curule Aedile to give a
few words, please note this speech is a bit in a different direction, but I
am also known for doing things rather unorthodox ;).


As stated above, I have been asked to give words on the Opening Day of the
Ludi Novi Romani, I�d like to thank the Mistress of Ceremonies, C. Maria
Caeca for including me in what will hopefully be the start of a new
tradition. To have been asked to participate, was truly a privilege.


Today Nova Roma turns the big *�XIV� (14),* we have seen her reach into
what one would call the �teenage� years. The big *�XIII� (13)* came and
went with much zest and flair, and by all accounts our beloved Nova Roma is
still here, awkward, gangly, often moody, but most importantly she is still
�growing�. And you know what �growing� isn�t at all a bad thing, because
during these �teenaged� years, we can allow ourselves to mold, shape, and
finally solidify what she is truly meant to be�


A true survivor, one that speaks in whispers as a �Legend��.


As I was asked as to why I contribute so many countless hours to NR? Why I
am so determined on the efforts of making it thrive? As well as why is it
so important that it does? Questions that have been asked by other
citizens, fellow magistrates and by friends not even associated with the
group. My response to them and to you all is this, the reason why I came
to Nova Roma is not the reason why I chose to *stay* in Nova Roma, with
words it�s complicated to explain without taking hours of your time. So I
display my thoughts and feelings through actions and the projects I choose
to become involved in. Albeit as much as I love writing and being creative,
words can change, creativity can falter, however actions do not. Do not
forget my fellow cives, we are Romans, and we shall remain strong, unbent,
and unbroken, we as individuals define our Romanitas. With this being the
most important time to be active in our Nova Roma, from the highest
magistrate to even the newest citizen, I cannot advocate enough for others
to become more involved, and help our organization blossom to her fullest
potential. It will take all of us no matter which role we decide to partake
in, to help our �teenaged� Nova Roma transition to �adulthood� when in due
time she�ll be able to soar on her own.


My fellow citizens, we come to the edge of the Twilight, the crossroads, as
we have all came from different walks of life to become members of this
Organization. Let us come together once more and celebrate the Ludi, honor
the gods, and celebrate being citizens of our �growing� resrepublic. Today
we cast away those shadows and sing away the sorrow, as we participate in
the *Ludi Novi Romani 2765*, and view through the scope of one of the
hardest working cives in Nova Roma. Through her eyes and her heart, we
give tribute to the gods and pay homage to Nova Roma�s original formation
and also her continuing rebirth.


So let�s raise our cups o�cheer, to Roma! May she live long and truly
prosper. As we fortify her walls and give some extra padding to
accommodate a budding Teenager. You will often find her down in the
trenches , but when things get rocky, you can count on Nova Roma being
there standing against the winds. That which makes the mark of a true
survivor, after being here nearly thirteen years, it�s been an interesting
ride so far, windburn and all. So from me to you Nova Roma, Happy
Birthday, may you celebrate well and many years to come.



Gratias vobis ago.



*Felicem Diem Natalem tibi Novae Romae et Valete Optime,*

Statia Cornelia Juliana Aeternia *(**Praetrix)*

Vivat Novae Romae, Vivat Ludi Novi Romani 2765!!!!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87449 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: CONCORDIALIA RITUAL for the 14th Anniversary of Nova Roma
C. Maria Caeca Virgo Vestalis et Curulis Aedilis Cn. Cornelio Lentulo Pontifici et Sacerdosi Concordiae Salutem Plurimam dicit!

Gratias tibi ago, Pontifex! As always, what you have done is exquisite, expressed with grace and beauty, and profoundly moving. I humbly raise my hands, with yours, in payer, and can only offer, to you, my deeply heartfelt gratitude.

Vale quam optime!
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87450 From: Gaius Tullius Valerianus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Happy New Year!
Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus consul omnibus in his foris S.P.D.

Salvete omnes!

I wish all citizens, old, new, and prospective, a happy Roman new year!
March 1st has always been a very special day for me, and I think for a lot
of Roman citizens. It is the Kalends, the first of the month. It is the
first day of the religious year for Romans, and once the first day of the
Roman calendar. It is the feriae of Mars, I believe, and the Matronalia, a
day to honor our Roman matrons. And as my good friend Cn. Cornelius
Lentulus points out, the anniversary of the founding of Nova Roma and the
day we celebrate the Concordalia, in honor of Concordia and her blessings,
without which Nova Roma could not exist.

It has been a busy day for me already, with various household rites in
honor of various gods and goddesses and the celebrations of this auspicious
day! I hope all Nova Romans everywhere take just a little time to honor
this special day!

Valete omnes!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87451 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765--Mythologicum Certamen (Dies /Day 1)
Sta.Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Just call me "Quiz Facilitator". The Mythology Quiz has returned,
presented below are today's questions, they will be posted each day of the
Ludi Novi Romani (2765). Please submit all answers to the following e-mail
address Musesdream@... subject header/"Mythology Quiz"..

***Special Note*** Please do not reply with answers on the Main List,
please submit them through private response only!

Bonam Fortunam (Good Luck) to all the participants!

Valete Optime,
Aeternia


* Iuppiter*



1. Iuppiter fathered which pair of twins with the Goddess Latona?

2. Define the Larentalia?

3. Give definition to the following.

A. Iuppiter Summanus

B. Iuppiter Tigillus

C. Iuppiter Lucetius

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*Mars*

1. 1. True or false. Mars was originally the Roman god of fertility
and vegetation?

2. 2. The beak of which bird contained the power of Mars to ward off
harm?

3. 3. In Roman Gaul which bird was associated with Mars?

--
"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87452 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765--Mythologicum Certamen (Dies /Day 1)
Salvete Iterum,

Another special note, which I forgot to include. Todays questions will be
worth 3 points each..

Valete Optime,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87453 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Certamen Historicum - Day 1
Rules of the Certamen Historicum
1. Do not post answers to the mailing lists and do not post answers by simply hitting the Reply button.
2. Submit your answers to m.pompeius@... with the subject heading 'Certamen Historicum'.
3. Each correct answer is worth 1 point. An extra point may be awarded for an especially detailed and excellent answer.
4. New questions will be posted at about 01:00 Rome Time (1:00 AM Central European Time / GMT +1) each day of the Ludi Novi Romani.
5. Entries may be submitted at any time before 23:59 Rome Time (11:59 PM Central European Time / GMT +1) on 7 March 2765.
6. The current standings will be posted each evening so you may find the best practice is to send in your answers each day for the current day's questions to ensure your standings are updated on this page.
7. A list of the top ten contestants, including the winner, will be posted on this page no later than 12 March 2765.
8. Any questions, concerns or requests should be addressed to m.pompeius@... no later than 15 March 2765.
9. My decision is final in interpreting what is and what is not a correct answer.
M. Pompeius Caninus

We will start off these games with a couple of easy questions:

Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 1 - 01
March 2765

1. What
is the highest office on the cursus honorum?
 
2. In which direction would you travel
from Roma if you wanted to arrive in Tomis?

 
M. Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis
Vivat Nova Roma!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87454 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Circenses - Still accepting entries for the
M. Pompeius Caninus omnibus in foro S. P. D.
 
Most of the factios are well represented now but I am still accepting entries. Praesina - Green Fans - should take heed. For those of you that have entered a single chariot, you are welcome to enter a second chariot. For those of you who have not yet entered a chariot, please consider submitting an entry for the chariot races. The final deadline will be 23:59 on 2 March 2765 Rome Time. 

One of the competitions included in this year's Ludi Novi Romani is the Circenses, and this is your formal invitation to participate. The complete rules for the Ludi Novi Romani Circenses can be found on the Nova Roma wiki at http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Regulae_Ludorum%c2%a0under the heading "Circenses Rules" about half way down the page. 

But, briefly, this is what I need:

I.    Anyone who wishes to participate in the Ludi Circenses (Chariot Races) must send an application via email to M. Pompeius Caninus at m.pompeius@... no later than midnight Rome Time on 01 March 2012. The email message containing the application information should include the subject header "Ludi Circenses" and must include the following information to be valid:
      A. His/her name in Nova Roma;
      B. The name of his/her driver;
      C. The name of his/her chariot;
      D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals;
      E. His/her tactics for the Finals;
      F. The name of his/her "factio" or team :
            Albata
            Praesina
            Russata
            Veneta 

II.   Dirty actions against another factio in a specific round (quarter-final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it (an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to commission a dirty action, but doing so increases the chances of success);

III.  Defence against dirty actions in a specific round (quarter-final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it (an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to defend against a dirty action, but doing so decreases the chances of success of the dirty action);

IV.   If sesterces from multiple entrants are pooled to take a dirty action or defend against a dirty action, the subscription of each entrant of the pool must so indicate.

V.    Tactics: Six (6) race tactics are possible:
      A. To hurry in the last laps
      B. To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.
      C. To support a constant pace
      D. To lash the rivals
      E. To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
      F. To hurry in the straight lines 

VI.   The rules for the circenses can be found here, under the heading "Circenses Rules": http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Regulae_Ludorum

Optime Valete!

 
M. Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis
Vivat Nova Roma!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87455 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Circenses - Still accepting entries for the
M. Pompeius Caninus omnibus in foro S. P. D.
 
Most of the factios are well represented now but I am still accepting entries. Praesina - Green Fans - should take heed. For those of you that have entered a single chariot, you are welcome to enter a second chariot. For those of you who have not yet entered a chariot, please consider submitting an entry for the chariot races. The final deadline will be 23:59 on 2 March 2765 Rome Time. 

One of the competitions included in this year's Ludi Novi Romani is the Circenses, and this is your formal invitation to participate. The complete rules for the Ludi Novi Romani Circenses can be found on the Nova Roma wiki at http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Regulae_Ludorum%c2%a0under the heading "Circenses Rules" about half way down the page. 

But, briefly, this is what I need:

I.    Anyone who wishes to participate in the Ludi Circenses (Chariot Races) must send an application via email to M. Pompeius Caninus at m.pompeius@... no later than midnight Rome Time on 01 March 2012. The email message containing the application information should include the subject header "Ludi Circenses" and must include the following information to be valid:
      A. His/her name in Nova Roma;
      B. The name of his/her driver;
      C. The name of his/her chariot;
      D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals;
      E. His/her tactics for the Finals;
      F. The name of his/her "factio" or team :
            Albata
            Praesina
            Russata
            Veneta 

II.   Dirty actions against another factio in a specific round (quarter-final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it (an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to commission a dirty action, but doing so increases the chances of success);

III.  Defence against dirty actions in a specific round (quarter-final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it (an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to defend against a dirty action, but doing so decreases the chances of success of the dirty action);

IV.   If sesterces from multiple entrants are pooled to take a dirty action or defend against a dirty action, the subscription of each entrant of the pool must so indicate.

V.    Tactics: Six (6) race tactics are possible:
      A. To hurry in the last laps
      B. To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.
      C. To support a constant pace
      D. To lash the rivals
      E. To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
      F. To hurry in the straight lines 

VI.   The rules for the circenses can be found here, under the heading "Circenses Rules": http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Regulae_Ludorum

Optime Valete!

  
M. Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis
Vivat Nova Roma!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87456 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: After every Kalends, Nones, Ides, the next day is "Ater", 3/2/2012,
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   After every Kalends, Nones, Ides, the next day is "Ater"
 
Date:   Friday March 2, 2012
Time:   All Day
Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
Notes:   Ater (unlucky)
*Gods or Goddesses should not be invoked by name while indoors, and no celestial God or Goddess should be invoked by name while outdoors.
*Sacrifices should not be made, even at the lararium.
*These days are ill-omened to begin any new project since any new project would necessarily begin by performing a rite calling for the assistance of the gods. Such religious rites, beginning something new, are not to be performed.
*Avoid making journeys, or doing anything risky.
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87457 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Aedile's opening remarks
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C.Mariae Caecae Aedilis Curulis Omnibusque S.P.D.

That was beautiful and well said Caeca, I was moved by your words.


Valete Optime,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87458 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Aedile's opening remarks
Caeca Aeternia sal!

Thank you, Praetrix! I have enjoyed all the remarks presented so far ...in fact, I've enjoyed everything, and I'd like to say, up front, that I have received gracious and wonderful help from too many people to mention ...but you are all invited to my virtual. party later on ..and, being virtual, no expense will be spared!

Seriously, though, I appreciate all the work that goes into this, and the workers, even more.

Oh ...and ...great address, Aeternia! It really was, (smile).

Vale et valete
CMC

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87459 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Aedile's opening remarks
Aeternia Caecae sal!

Gratias tibi ago!! (Thank you)..


Vale bene,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87460 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
L. Iulia Aquila C. Petronio Dextero A. Tulliae Scholasticae A. Liburnio Hadriano omnibusque S.P.D


Ego vobis gratias! What is most interesting to me is that each Latinist corrections differ to some respect.
This in itself is a great learning tool - not just a mere correction but a discussion that not only reinforces the lesson but also assists in forming one's own style.
In my opinion the Latin of Petronius is strongly classical, Magistra while classical also has a modern American aspect and Hadrianus has a modern feel as well, reflected in the modern attitude.

More than "creating" sentences, the use - the meaning, esp. according to era, and word order is intriguing.
To think how a Roman of the Republic would form a sentence is very important if one wishes to eventually speak the Latin of that era.

Here in Nova Roma the posts often reflect elements of the Republic in their speech. Domina is used and I think most simply see it as a form of respectful address as it would be in the republic. I used it in what I thought would be the modern equivalent of Mrs. or Ms. because while not married now I was and have children. I am still not sure I agree with the reasoning behind not using Domina. Many of the strong vibrant and influential women I work with who are the ages of Magistra and myself see it as sign of respect to be invited to a event as "Mrs. John Smith" - it is antiquated but here in America it is not seen as disrespectful because the context of the custom is known. However the custom is slowly dying out.

CPD: Nasburgi (locative) incolo, in Tenesia (LIA"Habito Nasburgi, Tenesia" )
Incolo appears to mean the same as habito, both verbs meaning to inhabit or dwell in a place – so is my use of habito wrong or is the use of incolo another way of saying the same thing?

Novi Romani, I encourage you all to study Latin and practice from time on the ML, a sentence or two from time to time. In one video of a free online course the Magister tells the prospective student that it may takes approximately 10 or 11 years of study to become fluent – and I've heard similar from other Latinists as well.
So have heart, a bit of courage and post, expect dissection and a good lesson from the Latinists, this is their job "so just look at them and sigh and know they love you":)

Curate ut valeatis optime
Julia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87461 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Official announcement of the opening of the Ludi Novi Romani of
Iulia Caesari Consuli S.P.D

Gratias tibi. I do hope all Nova Romans enjoy the Ludi, as this will truly honor our Gods!

Vale optime,

Julia

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> So our Ludi Novi Romani commences. The ludi are an opportunity for us to echo a tradition of the ancients, a celebration that brings us together and which is not only meant to be fun but which involves the Gods. This is a time when we can also focus on what brought us to Nova Roma and what keeps us here.
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> Finding Nova Roma was for me a very exciting moment. It offered me the opportunity to enter a community, to share the passion for all things Roman with others and to be part of something that had a higher purpose than just a discussion of Romanitas and history. It was the vision of a rebirth of a culture, within the context of a state, whose unified formal expression in the west had ended in 476 CE. An amazing concept, a brilliant vision. Who, with a love of Ancient Rome and a belief that the experience that was Rome should have life again outside of the study of history, could fail to be stirred by that? Like everyone else, I went through the process of selecting a name, stumbling around for awhile wondering how it all worked in Nova Roma, making friends, building contacts, undertaking projects. I also learned that as a community, as with every other one in the field of human endeavour, be it volunteer or within a work environment, Nova Roma faced challenges. The debates over politics, laws, taxes, religion were at times, fast, furious and heated. I also realised that this is the price we pay for building a community as opposed to hosting an academic discussion group. To me it is the sign of a healthy, involved and passionate community. The ludi is an opportunity to put aside those challenges, and for awhile simply exist as a community
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> Optime valete
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> From: C. Maria Caeca
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:33 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com ; Nova_roma_@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Official announcement of the opening of the Ludi Novi Romani of 276
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> EX OFFICIO C. Maria Caeca Aedilis
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> *POMPA*
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> As the sun rises, with the promise of a glorious, cool day, The richly draped litters bearing the luxuriously clothed and jeweled images of the gods are carried by honor guards of athletes and attended by priests through the streets and to the Temple of Iupiter. They are followed by the Pontifexes and other religious officials, the Consuls, Senate, and magistrates. The procession has wound through the city, where citizens have gathered in the pre-dawn chill to watch. As the sun ascends in golden glory, the chill begins to recede, and warm cloaks are shed.
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> The statues are placed in their honored positions, and the Curule Aedile, dressed in Vestal white, walks slowly to the temporary altar which has been placed on a landing, above the crowd, but below the sacred images. She covers her head with her Pala, makes an adoratio to the gods, lifts her hands, and, in the silence that follows, prays in a resounding voice.
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> "O Great Jupiter Capitoline,
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> and You, Mars, founder and bearer of the Roman Name,
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> and You, Vesta, keeper of the Eternal Flame,
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87462 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Aedile's opening remarks
Iulia Mariae Aedili salutem!


Lovely opening, gratias tibi!

Vale bene

Julia

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> The Aedile takes her place at the microphone, and is cheered on by the people, while vendors of all sorts work the crowd, offering everything from spice nuts to pastries of every sort, wine, trinkets, programs, and other souvenirs of the games and of Nova Roma itself. The Aedile lifts her hands, finally, for silence, and begins
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> I came here, 4 years ago, from another email list, read the web site (then the old one), and was amazed and fascinated. That anyone was trying to do this intrigued me. That a whole *group* of people were in the process of doing it, people from all over the world, tied together only by the internet, caused me to ask so many questions that it took me over a year to get them all answered, but I knew one thing. Well, 2 things, actually. First, I believed then, and believe now, that the Roman republic had contributed immeasurably to Western civilization, and that anything that stemmed from those roots, if it stayed true to its foundation, could and would contribute something of value in my time, and 2. I wanted to be a part of this bold, impossible, wonderful dream and project.
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> I spent my first year here pestering anyone who would bear with me about everything Nova Roman, reading the web site, reading every post, and writing down more questions. I found kind, patient people, both on and off several lists, who didn't mind answering my questions, who referred me to excellent source material, and who encouraged me to become active. It didn't take much encouragement, I admit, and soon I did, working as a scribe, posting from time to time, and making a few friends.
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> I watched while this community made mistakes and recovered from them. Things that didn't work got tried and set aside or modified. Politics got debated, often with vigor, people came and left, and sometimes we went too fast and had to pull back, re-evaluate, and try again. Thing is, we *always* tried again, and I have confidence that we always will, because the vision stands, and the vision stays in tact. What changes is the road we take to achieve it, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot, but we manage to find a way, and whether it is a smooth road or an impassible morass, we keep journeying, because nothing short of that is acceptable, not to Romans, ancient or modern.
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> When I was so very ill last year, I realized emphatically just how much this community has come to mean to me, personally. I think it might have been the first thing I asked about when I could finally receive phone calls, but others will have to confirm that. That told me something, though, and it is something I won't ever forget. If something, be it a really fine book a piece of great art work, timeless music, genuine friendship, or a community of people striving for the same goal takes root and flourishes within you, it becomes a part of your internal structure; so much a part of you that you carry it inside you, and are influenced by it, are altered by it, and if it is something like a community in which you are deeply involved, you have an influence on that, too. You are part of its shaping, whether you will it or not, and whether you consciously contribute to it or not.
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> I think it is important for all of us, including our newest citizens, to remember this. When you came here, you carried your skills and talents in with you. You brought your perspectives and experience; your expectations, hopes and interest in things Roman, and you brought yourselves...your very human wish to establish contact with others perhaps your desire to make some friends of like mind, your sense of humor, and your willingness and ability to be a part of this incredible construct. You can do so, and I hope you will. One of the very best places to begin contributing is in the Ludi. One of the functions these games serve is to strengthen that invisible mesh that holds us all, scattered as we are by geography, language, culture and experience, together, and makes us a definable group ...a community. No, we aren't discussing vital, urgent matters. In fact, we are having fun ...and it is our shared laughter and enjoyment that will, ultimately bind us, and make it possible to deal with those vital, urgent issues, because we will know that, beneath the passionate, heated debates, we have said yes to our vision, and we have committed ourselves to that affirmation.
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87463 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: CONCORDIALIA RITUAL for the 14th Anniversary of Nova Roma
L. Iulia Aquila Pontifex Cn. Cornelio Lentulo Pontifici et Sacerdosi Concordiae Salutem Plurimam Dicit

Another beautiful ritual as I have come to expect, the Gods are honored by your words!

Cura ut valeas atque di te incolumes custodiant

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
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> CN CORNELIUS LENTULUS : PONTIFEX : SACERDOS CONCORDIAE : QUIRITIBUS : S P D
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> Salvete et avete, Novi Romani Quirites!
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> Vivat Nova Roma invicta!
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> Hail to Nova Roma, invincible!
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> Here it is again, the day, the most beautiful day, Our Day, the day when the
> New Roman Movement started -- when everything started. This is why we can be
> here: today, 14 years ago, Nova Roma was founded, the New Roman Nation was
> born. And, by completing 14, the 15th year of Nova Roma starts today.
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> Let us never forget why we are here: to restore the Roman religion, culture and
> virtues, and to create a city, a real, tangible, physical city, Nova Roma,
> sometime in the future, when we are ready, when our resources and the Destiny permit
> this.
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> We are very diverse and different people, yet we have one common goal: to
> restore the Roman Republic. To revive the customs, the language, the cults and
> the culture of our model, the ancient Rome.
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>
> This why we worship Goddes Concordia as the Patron Goddess of Nova Roma, the
> Goddess of the Nova Roman People's Concord - She is whom we need first and
> foremost in this 14-years-old Republic: to re-unite all Romans in one Nation,
> in one true entity: in Nova Roma --to re-unite all of those people who call
> themselves Roman today.
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> TODAY I have performed the Concordialia ceremony for the 14th Anniversary of
> the founding of our Res Publica Nova Romana, in the name of the Collegium
> Pontificum, the Senate and the People, and every single citizen of our commonwealth.
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> I sacrificed milk with honey, wine, incense and 14 libums, representing our 14
> years, to Concordia for protecting Nova Roma, and for Her citizens.
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> The text and coreography of the ceremony has been this, in which I included
> Mars as his feriae are today:
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> 1. SACRIFICE TO CONCORDIA POPULI NOVI ROMANI QUIRITIUM
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> Favete linguis!
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> (Beginning of the sacrifice.)
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> PRAEFATIO
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> Dea Concordia,
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> Concordia Novae Romae,
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> Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
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> Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,
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> Concordia deorum et mortalium,
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> Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> hisce Kalendis Martiis anniversarii quarti decimi Novae Romae conditae,
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> hoc die festivissimo et sanctissimo Novae Romae conditae,
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> te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor,
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> uti sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
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> Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> mihi, domo, familiae!
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>  
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> [Goddess Concordia,
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> the Concordance of Nova Roma,
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> the Concord of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma,
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> the Concordance of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
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> the Concordance of the Nova Roman citizens,
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> the Concord of the gods and the mortals,
>
> Goddess of peace and welfare of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
>
> on these Kalends of March of the 14th anniversary of the
> founding of Nova Roma,
>
> on this most festive and sacred day of the founding of Nova Roma,
>
> by offering you this incense, I pray good prayers so
>
> that you may be benevolent and propitious
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> to the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
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> to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
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> to me, to my household and to my family.]
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> (Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)
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> Dea Concordia,
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> Concordia Novae Romae,
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> Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
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> Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,
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> Concordia deorum et mortalium,
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> Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
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> eiusdem rei ergo macte lacte inferio esto!"
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>
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> [Goddess Concordia,
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> the Concordance of Nova Roma,
>
> the Concord of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma,
>
> the Concordance of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
>
> the Concordance of the Nova Roman citizens,
>
> the Concord of the gods and the mortals,
>
> Goddess of peace and welfare of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
>
> as by offering you the incense I have well prayed good prayers,
>
> for the very same reason be thou blessed by this sacrificial milk.]
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>
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> (Libation of milk is made.)
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> PRECATIO
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> Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
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> Concordia Novae Romae,
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> Concordia deorum et mortalium,
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> Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
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> fortitudo et firmitas nostra,
>
> hisce Kalendis Martiis anniversarii quarti decimi Novae Romae conditae,
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> hoc die festivissimo et sanctissimo quo Nova Roma condita est,
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> te precor, veneror, quaesoque obtestorque:
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> uti pacem concordiamque constantem societati Novae Romae tribuas;
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> utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
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> omnibusque discordiis liberes;
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> utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
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> atque hoc anno anniversarii quarti decimi Novae Romae conditae convalescat;
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> atque pax et concordia, salus et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat,
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> utique omnes qui se Romanos nominant unifices,
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> unum populum unamque gentem omnes qui se Romanos nominant facias,
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> unum populum in Nova Roma omnes Romanos hodiernos colligas;
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> utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
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> Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> mihi, domo, familiae
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> omnes in hoc anno quinto decimo Novae Romae eventus bonos faustosque esse
> siris;
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> utique sies volens propitia
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> Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
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> Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
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> Senatui Novo Romano,
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> Collegio Pontificum,
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> omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
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> mihi, domo, familiae!
>
>  
>
> [Concordance of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
>
> Concord of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma,
>
> Concordance of Nova Roma,
>
> the Concord of the gods and the mortals,
>
> Goddess of peace, welfare and glory of the Senate and the People of
> Nova Roma,
>
> our stronghold and steadiness,
>
> on these Kalends of March of the 14th anniversary of the
> founding of Nova Roma,
>
> on this most festive and sacred day on which Nova Roma was founded,
>
> I pray, worship, ask and beseech you so
>
> that you may grant peace and steadfast concord to the society of Nova Roma;
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> so that you may confirm, strengthen and help
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> the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
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> and save it from all discord;
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> so that the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites
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> may always flourish and prosper,
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> and in this year of the 14th anniversary may get even
> stronger;
>
> that peace and concord, the welfare and glory of Nova Roma may increase all the
> time;
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> and that you may unite all people who call themselves Roman,
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> make them who call themselves Roman one people and one nation,
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> collect together all modern Romans as one nation united into Nova Roma;
>
> and that you allow all events in this now starting 15th year of Nova
> Roma to be good and salutary
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> to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
>
> to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
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> to me, to my household and to my family;
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> and so that you may be benevolent and propitious
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> to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
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> to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
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> to the magistrates, the consuls, the praetors of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
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> to the tribunes of the Nova Roman Plebs,
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> to the Nova Roman Senate,
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> to the College of Pontiffs,
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> to all Nova Roman citizens, men and women, boys and girls,
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> to me, to my household and to my family.]
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> SACRIFICIUM
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> Sicut verba nuncupavi,
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> quaeque ita faxis,
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> uti ego me sentio dicere:
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> harum rerum ergo macte
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> his quattuordecim libis libandis,
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> hoc lacte melle mixto libando,
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> hoc ture ommovendo
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> esto fito volens propitia
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> et hoc anno anniversarii quarti decimo Novae Romae conditae et semper
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> Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
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> Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
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> Senatui Novo Romano,
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> omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
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> mihi, domo, familiae!
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>  
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> [As I have these words pronounced,
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> you shall do exactly
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> what I mean I am saying:
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> for all these reasons, thou blessed
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> by offering these 14  liba,
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> by offering this milk with honey,
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> by offering this incense
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> be benevolent and propitious
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> both in this year of the 14th anniversary of the founding of
> Nova Roma and always,
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> to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
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> to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
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> to the magistrates, the consuls, the praetors of the Nova Roman People of
> Quirites,
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> to the tribunes of the Nova Roman Plebs,
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> to the Nova Roman Senate,
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> to the College of Pontiffs,
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> to all Nova Roman citizens, men and women, boys and girls,
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> to me, to my household and to my family.]
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> (Libation of 14 liba, milk with honey is made and incense is
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> sacrificed.)
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> REDDITIO
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> Dea Concordia,
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> Concordia Novae Romae,
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> Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
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> Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,
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> Concordia deorum et mortalium,
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> Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> uti te quattuordecim libis libandis, ture commovendo, lacte melle mixto libando
> bonas preces bene precatus sum,
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> earundem rerum ergo macte lacte inferio esto!
>
>  
>
> [Goddess Concordia,
>
> the Concordance of Nova Roma,
>
> the Concord of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma,
>
> the Concordance of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
>
> the Concordance of the Nova Roman citizens,
>
> the Concord of the gods and the mortals,
>
> Goddess of peace and welfare of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
>
> as by offering you the 14 liba, the incense and the honeyed milk I have
> well prayed good prayers,
>
> for the very same reasons be thou blessed by this sacrificial milk.]
>
>
>
> (Libation of milk is made)
>
>  
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> 2. SACRIFICE TO MARS
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>
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> Mars Pater,
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> cuius mensis et feriae hodie sunt,
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> earundem rerum ergo
>
> macte vino inferio esto fito volens propitius
>
> Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
>
> Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
>
> mihi, domo, familiae!
>
>  
>
> [Father Mars,
>
> whose month and festival is today,
>
> for the very same reasons
>
> be thou blessed by offering you this sacrificial wine,
>
> and be benevolent and propitious
>
> to the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
>
> to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
>
> to me, to my household and to my family.]
>
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> (Libation of wine is made)
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> Ilicet!
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> (End of the sacrifice.)
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> 3. PIACULUM
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> Iane,
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> Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
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> Iuppiter Optime Maxmime,
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> Iuno, Minerva, Mars,
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> Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
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> si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet,
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> hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio.
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> [Ianus,
>
> Concordia of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
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> Iuppiter, the Best and Greatest,
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> Iuno, Minerva, Mars,
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> All Gods Immortal by whathever name I may call you:
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> if anything in this ceremony was displeasing to you,
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> with this sacrificial wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]
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>
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> (I offered incense on the altar and poured a libation of wine on the altar.)
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> VIVAT NOVA ROMA ANNORUM XIV !!!
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> NOVA ROMA XIV !!!
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> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
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> P O N T I F E X
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> SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87464 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Words from the Praetrix
Iulia Aeterniae Praetori salutem!


Lovely words, gratias tibi!

Vale optime

Julia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
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> Sta. Cornelia Juliana Aeternia Praetor Omnibus in foro S.P.D.
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>
> As I have been asked by our wonderful and amazing Curule Aedile to give a
> few words, please note this speech is a bit in a different direction, but I
> am also known for doing things rather unorthodox ;).
>
>
> As stated above, I have been asked to give words on the Opening Day of the
> Ludi Novi Romani, I'd like to thank the Mistress of Ceremonies, C. Maria
> Caeca for including me in what will hopefully be the start of a new
> tradition. To have been asked to participate, was truly a privilege.
>
>
> Today Nova Roma turns the big *"XIV" (14),* we have seen her reach into
> what one would call the "teenage" years. The big *"XIII" (13)* came and
> went with much zest and flair, and by all accounts our beloved Nova Roma is
> still here, awkward, gangly, often moody, but most importantly she is still
> "growing". And you know what "growing" isn't at all a bad thing, because
> during these "teenaged" years, we can allow ourselves to mold, shape, and
> finally solidify what she is truly meant to beÂ…
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>
> A true survivor, one that speaks in whispers as a "Legend"Â….
>
>
> As I was asked as to why I contribute so many countless hours to NR? Why I
> am so determined on the efforts of making it thrive? As well as why is it
> so important that it does? Questions that have been asked by other
> citizens, fellow magistrates and by friends not even associated with the
> group. My response to them and to you all is this, the reason why I came
> to Nova Roma is not the reason why I chose to *stay* in Nova Roma, with
> words it's complicated to explain without taking hours of your time. So I
> display my thoughts and feelings through actions and the projects I choose
> to become involved in. Albeit as much as I love writing and being creative,
> words can change, creativity can falter, however actions do not. Do not
> forget my fellow cives, we are Romans, and we shall remain strong, unbent,
> and unbroken, we as individuals define our Romanitas. With this being the
> most important time to be active in our Nova Roma, from the highest
> magistrate to even the newest citizen, I cannot advocate enough for others
> to become more involved, and help our organization blossom to her fullest
> potential. It will take all of us no matter which role we decide to partake
> in, to help our "teenaged" Nova Roma transition to "adulthood" when in due
> time she'll be able to soar on her own.
>
>
> My fellow citizens, we come to the edge of the Twilight, the crossroads, as
> we have all came from different walks of life to become members of this
> Organization. Let us come together once more and celebrate the Ludi, honor
> the gods, and celebrate being citizens of our "growing" resrepublic. Today
> we cast away those shadows and sing away the sorrow, as we participate in
> the *Ludi Novi Romani 2765*, and view through the scope of one of the
> hardest working cives in Nova Roma. Through her eyes and her heart, we
> give tribute to the gods and pay homage to Nova Roma's original formation
> and also her continuing rebirth.
>
>
> So let's raise our cups o'cheer, to Roma! May she live long and truly
> prosper. As we fortify her walls and give some extra padding to
> accommodate a budding Teenager. You will often find her down in the
> trenches , but when things get rocky, you can count on Nova Roma being
> there standing against the winds. That which makes the mark of a true
> survivor, after being here nearly thirteen years, it's been an interesting
> ride so far, windburn and all. So from me to you Nova Roma, Happy
> Birthday, may you celebrate well and many years to come.
>
>
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> Gratias vobis ago.
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>
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> *Felicem Diem Natalem tibi Novae Romae et Valete Optime,*
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> Statia Cornelia Juliana Aeternia *(**Praetrix)*
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> Vivat Novae Romae, Vivat Ludi Novi Romani 2765!!!!
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87465 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Happy Mothers' Day!
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

Among the many events we commemorate on this day, the Kalends of
March, is the ancient Roman equivalent of Mothers¹ Day, the Matronalia, on
which presents were given to matrons and brides. The Roman poet Horatius
wrote a very famous ode on this, for among other things, it was the
anniversary of a signal event in his life. I shall copy the poem below,
with some additional material.

=================

Martiis caelebs quid agam Kalendis,
quid velint flores et acerra turis
plena miraris positusque carbo in
caespite vivo,

docte sermones utriusque linguae?
voveram dulcis epulas et album
Libero caprum prope funeratus
arboris ictu.

Hic dies anno redeunte festus
corticem adstrictum pice dimovebit
amphorae fumum bibere institutae
consule Tullo.

sume, Maecenas, cyathos amici
sospitis centum et vigiles lucernas
perfer in lucem procul omnis esto
clamor et ira.

...


Do you wonder what I, a bachelor, shall do on the Kalends of March, what
these flowers and this box full of incense and this live coal set on the
living turf mean, o you who are learned in the speech of both languages?
[i.e., Latin and Greek] I had vowed a fine banquet and a white goat to
Liber, [because I was] almost carried off by the impact of that tree. When
each year returns, the holiday will remove the cork sealed with pitch from a
bottle set up to drink the smoke when Tullus was consul. Drink, Maecenas, a
hundred cups for your unscathed friend, and keep the lamps awake until
daylight; let anger and shouting [angry shouting] be far away. ...


Valete!






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87466 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Re: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
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> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> L. Iulia Aquila C. Petronio Dextero A. Tulliae Scholasticae A. Liburnio
> Hadriano omnibusque S.P.D
>
> Ego vobis gratias! What is most interesting to me is that each Latinist
> corrections differ to some respect.
>
> ATS: Not all of them are corrections in the strict sense of the term.
>
> This in itself is a great learning tool - not just a mere correction but a
> discussion that not only reinforces the lesson but also assists in forming
> one's own style.
>
> In my opinion the Latin of Petronius is strongly classical, Magistra while
> classical also has a modern American aspect and Hadrianus has a modern feel as
> well, reflected in the modern attitude.
>
> ATS: Petronius is extremely conservative, and seems to reject a lot of
> the more modern vocabulary we use for such gadgets as computers. I am sitting
> [virtually, of course] at the feet of a world-class Latinist whose attitudes
> on these and other matters are more liberal. In any case, colloquial Latin
> differed from from Ciceronian oratory just as we have different registers of
> usage in English (or any other language). When people are chatting in
> private, they do not use the most formal register of speech; in Latin, they
> say something like The name to me is... rather than I am called, and they may
> say something like Crispus¹ Bye now. The sources for that sort of thing come
> from Plautus and Terence, and perhaps the letters of a certain Marcus Tullius,
> not his orations.
>
> More than "creating" sentences, the use - the meaning, esp. according to era,
> and word order is intriguing.
> To think how a Roman of the Republic would form a sentence is very important
> if one wishes to eventually speak the Latin of that era.
>
> ATS: Yes. However, many modern Latinists do not confine themselves to a
> given era; they simply use Latin from whatever time and place it might
> originate. Your average Roman did not have computatores or gestabilia, those
> ubiquitous machines of our age [computers and cell phones]. Traditional Latin
> composition in schools and universities was more restricted, with tales of
> Labienus taking the army across the river and the plains to set up camp in a
> suitable location and then send scouts to reconnoiter the enemy.
>
> Here in Nova Roma the posts often reflect elements of the Republic in their
> speech. Domina is used and I think most simply see it as a form of respectful
> address as it would be in the republic. I used it in what I thought would be
> the modern equivalent of Mrs. or Ms. because while not married now I was and
> have children. I am still not sure I agree with the reasoning behind not using
> Domina. Many of the strong vibrant and influential women I work with who are
> the ages of Magistra and myself see it as sign of respect to be invited to a
> event as "Mrs. John Smith" - it is antiquated but here in America it is not
> seen as disrespectful because the context of the custom is known. However the
> custom is slowly dying out.
>
> ATS: Well, domina and dominus are more appropriate in the meaning of boss
> at work; they are rather overbearing for other uses. The Romans did not have
> these titles we use [Mr., Mrs., Ms., Miss]. Years ago there was a document on
> forms of address which was bandied about in Nova Roma; some here might have it
> hiding somewhere, as I almost certainly do, but I would have to retrieve it
> from an old computer. I seem to recall, however, that the equivalent of Hey,
> you, was not unknown...
>
> Don¹t you love these people whom you have never met who refer to you by
> your first name?
>
> CPD: Nasburgi (locative) incolo, in Tenesia (LIA"Habito Nasburgi, Tenesia" )
> Incolo appears to mean the same as habito, both verbs meaning to inhabit or
> dwell in a place – so is my use of habito wrong or is the use of incolo
> another way of saying the same thing?
>
> ATS: Both incolo and habito mean live in, dwell (in) [though as a
> transitive habito means Wear habitually; cf. habit {of a monk or nun}]. Both
> are fine. Vivo, on the other hand, means live in the sense of exist, be
> alive.
>
> Novi Romani, I encourage you all to study Latin and practice from time on the
> ML, a sentence or two from time to time. In one video of a free online course
> the Magister tells the prospective student that it may takes approximately 10
> or 11 years of study to become fluent – and I've heard similar from other
> Latinists as well.
>
> ATS: I don¹t doubt that for normal instruction, but the Sermo course can
> get you there a lot faster: two years (or one combined one) on top of some
> previous instruction...IF one applies oneself. Sermo is very intensive,
> however, and a fair number find it difficult without some previous
> instruction. Some do well by that method alone, but I have found that it is
> more likely for someone to do well after previous instruction. It¹s a
> wonderful course, but takes a lot of effort.
>
> One should beware of these other courses, however: we found one with a
> high price tag and lots of errors in the Latin; free courses are not exempt
> from similar problems. Ours are guaranteed to be good. Not easy, but good.
>
> So have heart, a bit of courage and post, expect dissection and a good lesson
> from the Latinists, this is their job "so just look at them and sigh and know
> they love you":)
>
> ATS: LOL! Really, we do...that red ink is a sign of our love.
>
> Curate ut valeatis optime
> Julia
>
> Vale, et valete!
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87467 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-01
Subject: Dé Nová Rómá
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

As some of you may have noted, your magistrates have been asked to say a
few good words about Nova Roma and why we consider it such a worthy venture.
Several of us have been here for years and spent many, many hours working
for NR, and it seems fitting to explain why we do this.

Several years ago, I attended my very first reenactment event, the large
and impressive Roman Days held in Maryland. I had a friend with me, and we
had some difficulty finding the site, not least because it was absolutely
pouring, raining cats and dogs (CPD might say il pleuvait à verse, but might
correct my conjugation here). We adjourned to the museum on the park
property, and learned a good deal about ancient Rome, centering on some of
the finer points of Roman armor, for one of the legionary commanders present
made his own armor and weapons. When things settled down, probably the next
day, it became possible to wander among the vendors¹ stalls and feast one¹s
eyes on all sorts of Roman-themed items. One of the vendors¹ booths was
entitled Nova Roma, and I wondered what they were selling, since there
didn¹t seem to be much of the usual clothing or jewelry or action figures,
etc. Later I discovered that what they were selling was the opportunity to
participate in an organization with a Roman government, complete with the
ancient religion and some concessions to the language of the Romans. That
was before NR had a lot of Latinists, but even so there were traces of Latin
hither and yon. For some reason, I thought that that might be worth
exploring, and found a fine mentor who guided me and subsequently put me to
work for Nova Roma. I won¹t say that every minute has been pleasant, or the
tasks easy, but here I have met many wonderful people who share my interest
in classical antiquity and have learned an immense amount not presented in
the average classics classroom. I even got to enhance my Latin skills in
the forerunner of the Combined Sermo Latinus class, conducted by world-class
Latinist Avitus, and put those skills to work later on. I have made many
fine friends here, and have had the opportunity to share my love of
classical languages with many of our citizens, some of whom have become my
students at one time or another. That is why I have devoted time and energy
to this organization, and why I hope NR will continue to offer this
opportunity to others of similar interests.

Valete!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87468 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
C. Petronius Juliae Aquilae salutem,

> This in itself is a great learning tool - not just a mere correction but a discussion that not only reinforces the lesson but also assists in forming one's own style.

Yes every language has different levels. I suggest you to read the book de ratione dicendi ad C. Herennium.

>>> In my opinion the Latin of Petronius is strongly classical, Magistra while classical also has a modern American aspect and Hadrianus has a modern feel as well, reflected in the modern attitude. <<<

As writer of the tales of Tiburtius Dexter in Latin, I took the way to write Latin the more classical I can. I mainly search to avoid all French or stranger aspects and of course I draw my Latin from the books of Cicero, Caesar, Nepos, Catullus and Sallust. I am sure they are enough for expressing all I need to say.

>>> To think how a Roman of the Republic would form a sentence is very important if one wishes to eventually speak the Latin of that era. <<<

To write is a thing, to speak another. When I speak Latin, I form my sentences in a rush with words than Cicero did not know. But, indeed, I do not speak to Cicero.

>>> Here in Nova Roma the posts often reflect elements of the Republic in their speech. Domina is used and I think most simply see it as a form of respectful address as it would be in the republic. I used it in what I thought would be the modern equivalent of Mrs. or Ms. because while not married now I was and have children. I am still not sure I agree with the reasoning behind not using Domina. Many of the strong vibrant and influential women I work with who are the ages of Magistra and myself see it as sign of respect to be invited to a event as "Mrs. John Smith" - it is antiquated but here in America it is not seen as disrespectful because the context of the custom is known. However the custom is slowly dying out. <<<

The definition of the Roman lady is not given by the word "domina" but with the word "matrona". A good Roman lady is mostly a mother and the more famous of them was Cornelia mater Gracchorum, the mother of the Gracchi. While she was the daughter of the very famous Scipio the African, the winner of Hannibal, she was famous as mother of the both Gracchi.

Dominus and domina are words of the slave vocabulary. When the emperor Domitian wanted to be named "dominus" he strongly was suspected to want to put an end to the freedom and he was hated and killed.

> CPD: Nasburgi (locative) incolo, in Tenesia (LIA"Habito Nasburgi, Tenesia" )
> Incolo appears to mean the same as habito, both verbs meaning to inhabit or dwell in a place – so is my use of habito wrong or is the use of incolo another way of saying the same thing?

Habitare is right to express to inhabit, of course. Habitare and Incolere say both inhabit. Habito ruri = I dwell in the country. Ruri is the locative. So it is preferable to say "habito Nasburgi". Habito as incolo manage the locative with name of towns and little islands and with the locative ruri, domi.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VI Nonas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87469 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
C. Petronius Tulliae Scholasticae salutem,

>>> ATS: Petronius is extremely conservative,

Not at all. I am Ciceronian. Why? Because the Latin syntax teached is Ciceronian. So, if we need the syntax of Cicero it is normal to use the Latin of his epoch. It is a choice for be understood by everyone. Every Latin modern writer or speaker know the Latin meanings of the Ciceronian words, so writing as he you are understood by every one. As I said to you in Nashville many sentences of Harry Potter's translations in "modern" Latin are rather translated in British Latin. A french reader smiles when he reads such Latin and sometime does not understand.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VI Nonas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87470 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Words from the Praetrix
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Iuliae Aquilae salutem,

Gratias tibi ago! (Thank you)

Vale Optime,
Aeternia



>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87471 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Triclinium Chat
"Oh, come on, Maria" said the Praetrix, Aeternia, laughing. "You know you want to go with us to the Eagle!"



"I do?" The curule aedile looked at Aeternia, also smiling. It had been a long day, beginning before sunrise, filled with sound, movement, color and activity, and she had been at the center of it all .directing, answering frantic questions, solving problems with snap (and she fervently hoped) good decisions. The weather had certainly cooperated, with lots of sun, but temperatures in the comfortable high 60s, and a bit of a breeze. The city was packed to overflowing with citizens and guests, and most businesses and shops were closed for the festivities. She secretly thought that most of the shops were closed so that their employees could take to the streets with carts, trays, even heavily laden servants, offering everything imaginable, including pets of all sorts. But things had gone incredibly well. The citizens had even welcomed all the speeches by the senior magistrates, with no signs of boredom or impatience. Aeternia, resplendent in silver silk, had drawn a standing ovation, for people remembered her Ludi last year, and wanted to express their approval of her .and did, with shouts, applause, flowers and compliments. She had had to wait for at least 10 minutes to make her speech, and, despite her blushes, she had loved every minute of the demonstration.



Now, C. Maria sat watching her guests enjoying her very formal dinner, which had also been splendid, finishing with a 14 layer birthday cake, gleaming with 14 candles. There had been a chocolate layer, of course, but, to accommodate 1 of her guests who couldn't eat chocolate, a small separate cake had been prepared, with another caramel layer substituting for the chocolate, and it had been served to her, while others were getting pieces of the larger model.



Maria had changed from her sacred garments and now wore a tunica, stola and pala in rich blue. The pala was lace, and she felt pretty sure it complimented her.



"Tell her, Julia! She *wants* to come with us" said Aeternia, now laughing openly.



"OK" said Julia, "You *want* to come with us. Besides, you never know who you'll see over there."



Maria threw up her hands in mock defeat. "It is absolutely impossible to argue with the 2 of you and win! Let's just adjourn the party to the Eagle, shall we?"



And, so they did, with a very few exceptions. It was crowded when they came in, but Vinius, dispensing smiles and hugs with gleeful abandon, found space for them, and made them comfortable. They talked and laughed, waving to people they knew.



"Come over here" called Julia to a young man. "Maria, I want you to meet one of our newest citizens." "Mento, this is our curule Aedile. Maria, this is Cornelius Mento, one of our new ones, and the 2 gentlemen with him are ."



"Oh," said Mento with a contagious smile, "this is Claudius Axenrothus, and this is Cassius Longinus."



"I'm delighted to meet you," said Maria, "please sit down and join us." She glanced over to the bar, and a server came quickly to take orders for more wine all round.



"So, Gentlemen" said Maria, "how are you enjoying your new citizenship and the games?"



"They all made positive comments, but she wasn't through. "No, tell me! Are you having any problems, or questions with which we might help you?"



"Well, yeah," said Mento. "I see you all acting real friendly now, but I can't help but wonder how real all this camaraderie is. I bet that if you don't agree on something, all this nice act will stop, and you'll be at each others' throats."



"Well, now, Mento." Aeternia drew in a breath to speak, but Maria put her hand lightly on Aeternia's. "It's OK" she said. Then turned to the young men.



"Part of what you say is quite true, Mento. We have had, and will have, some very sharp debates. Names will be called, and insults will fly, and yes, we will, at least verbally, be at each others' throats. But, you see, we can *do* that because, beneath all that spitting and hissing, there is more, much more. Let me explain."



"About a year ago, I was hit by a bus while on my way to work. I spent over 2 months in the hospital, much of it sedated, and some of it apparently fighting for my life. There were friends, of course, from Nova Roma, who kept in contact with me, and when they couldn't, with the nurses in the ICU (who were my hosts for over a month)." Maria reached her hands to Aeternia and Julia, who were sitting on either side of her, and smiled across the table to Scholastica, who they had convinced to come to the Eagle, despite her pleas of too much work. "These 3 ladies kept me sane, kept my spirits up, consoled me, helped me get through the times I was terrified, in pain, or ready to just quit, and kept me informed about NR news. They were my lifeline in ways I hope you will never come to understand. But we had been good friends for a long time, and they would have done the same thing, even if we hadn't been NR citizens. So, I lived, and I finally came home."



She stopped then, looking into her glass of wine, and took a deep, slow breath. "I found out that I had been attacked, verbally, of course .that my very acceptability to the gods had been challenged, and that I had been furiously defended, not just by my friends, but by people who didn't know me very well."



Maria realized that her hand had clenched around her wine cup, and that she was almost rigid with tension, so she made herself relax. When she had, she looked directly into Mento's eyes.



"I learned another lesson, then. You see, I came home to visible, tangible signs not just of support, but of real caring. Again, from my friends, yes .but also from people with whom I had had little, or no, direct contact. I read each message of concern and encouragement, and there were times I had to stop, because they were so moving that they overwhelmed me. "



"You are thinking ""sure, but she's been here a long time, and people like her"" and, for some, that might be true. I'll tell you, however, what *else* is true. The reaction would have been the same for any citizen under the same circumstances. We may fight like siblings. We may call each other names. We often disagree, and none of us are in the least shy about saying so, usually in infinite detail and at infinite length .but, beneath that, we care about each other, and when something terrible happens, we close ranks more quickly and more solidly than you can imagine. Don't expect it to happen for you over night .but if you stay, and you become active, you will find friends, and if, the gods forbid, something terrible should ever happen to you, you will find that we, all of us, will be there, to help you in small ways .and large ways, too."



The 3 young men drank deeply, and watched as the curule Aedile relaxed and smiled at them. "Wow" said Axenrothus" I had no idea! But, you know, it's good to hear, because it tells me we really are a community, and not just in self definition."



The door of the Eagle was flung open, and a very tall young man came hurrying in, with his wife beside him. He looked around the room, and headed straight for the large table, followed closely by 2 servers, bringing extra seating.



"Salve Maria, Amica!" he called, laughing. "Lentule!" she said, standing up quickly, and going to meet them. She embraced Popillia, and then held out her hands to the Pontifex.



He ignored them, and swept her up in a hug that took her completely off her feet. "You, Mi Maria, are entirely too formal! Come! I have a surprise for you!"

"Oh? She said, a bit breathlessly," Well, come have some wine, then, and tell me about this.surprise".



They sat down, more wine came, and Popilia, smiling shyly, handed a beautifully wrapped box to the Curule Aedile. "It's from both of us" she said, "Because we are so happy to have you back with us, and to celebrate your year in office."



Maria blinked quickly, and held the box in her hands. "Well," said Aeternia and Julia, almost in unison, "Open your loot!" said Aeternia, "Or I will!" Everyone laughed, and the table became quiet. Vinius seemed to appear from no where, making a production of pouring wine while watching the Aedile's hands.



Slowly, carefully, she unwrapped the box, and folded back the tissue paper, then gasped, her face registering a mixture of surprise and delight. "WHAT?" said Mento, leaning forward to see.



She reached in, and gently lifted out a small statue of the goddess Concordia, carved, it would seem, from alabaster. She set it gently on the table in front of her, and with her other hand, reached to touch the hands of her friends. "I .I .thank you both, so very much for this, but .."



"Lentulus smiled at her, but his eyes were serious. "I think, Maria, that you know why, do you not?" he said, very quietly.






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87472 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Carmen Regina
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

As I was asked by the Curule Aedile, to compose a Carmen in honor of
today's deity Iuno.

Please enjoy the composition.

Valete Optime,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia


*Carmen Regina 3/01/2012*



Sky-Mother, we hear your song,

your voice harkens through the mists and clouds.

Piercing the thoughts, minds, and flesh,

Of all creatures,

During the day your steps create rainbows,

And during the night we see a flash of violet,

Across the midnight sky,

Iuno, our divine Regnant,

Sacred Guardian and Protectress,

Protect our people,

Protect our children,

Iuno, our Mother,

We give honor to you,

Under the amethyst moon.



©2012 (2765) ~~SCJA


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87473 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: a.d. VI Non. Mar.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem VI Nones Martias; hic dies fastus aterque est.

"The king of the Romans, after letting a year pass, during which he
made the necessary preparations for war, resolved to lead out his army
against the city of the Fidenates. The grounds he alleged for the war
were that this people, being called upon to justify themselves in the
matter of the plot that they had formed against the Romans and Albans,
had paid no heed, but immediately taking up arms, shutting their
gates, and bringing in the allied forces of the Veientes, had openly
revolted, and that when ambassadors arrived from Rome to inquire the
reason for their revolt, they had answered that they no longer had
anything in common with the Romans since the death of Romulus, their
king, to whom they had sworn their oaths of friendship. Seizing on
these grounds for war, Tullus was not only arming his own forces, but
also sending for those of his allies. The most numerous as well as the
best auxiliary troops were brought to him from Alba by Mettius
Fufetius, and they were equipped with such splendid arms as to excel
all the other allied forces. Tullus, therefore, believing that
Mettius had been actuated by zeal and by the best motives in deciding
to take part in the war, commended him and communicated to him all his
plans. But this man, who was accused by his fellow citizens of having
mismanaged the recent war and was furthermore charged with treason, in
view of the fact that he continued in the supreme command of the city
for the third year by order of Tullus, disdaining now to hold any
longer a command that was subject to another's command or to be
subordinated rather than himself to lead, devised an abominable plot.
He sent ambassadors here and there secretly to the enemies of the
Romans while they were as yet wavering in their resolution to revolt
and encouraged them not to hesitate, promising that he himself would
join them in attacking the Romans during the battle; and these
activities and plans he kept secret from everybody. Tullus, as soon
as he had got ready his own army as well as that of his allies,
marched against the enemy and after crossing the river Anio encamped
near Fidenae. And finding a considerable army both of the Fidenates
and of their allies drawn up before the city, he lay quiet that day;
but on the next he sent for Fufetius, the Alban, and the closest of
his other friends and took counsel with them concerning the best
method of conducting the war. And when all were in favour of engaging
promptly and not wasting time, he assigned them their several posts
and commands, and having fixed the next day for the battle, he
dismissed the council.

In the meantime Fufetius, the Alban — for his treachery was still a
secret to many even of his own friends — calling together the most
prominent centurions and tribunes among the Albans, addressed them as
follows:

"Tribunes and centurions, I am going to disclose to you important and
unexpected things which I have hitherto been concealing; and I beg of
you to keep them secret if you do not wish to ruin me, and to assist
me in carrying them out if you think their realization will be
advantageous. The present occasion does not permit of many words, as
the time is short; so I shall mention only the most essential matters.
I, from the time we were subordinated to the Romans up to this day,
have led a life full of sham en grief, though honoured by the king
with the supreme command, which I am now holding for the third year
and may, if I should so desire, hold as long as I live. But regarding
it as the greatest of all evils to be the only fortunate man in a time
of public misfortune, and taking it to heart that, contrary to all the
rights mankind look upon as sacred, we have been deprived by the
Romans of our supremacy, I took thought how we might recover it
without experiencing any great disaster. And although I considered
many plans of every sort, the only way I could discover that promised
success, and at the same time the easiest and the least dangerous one,
was in hand a war should be started against them by the neighbouring
states. For I assumed that when confronted by such a war they would
have need of allies and particularly of us. As to the next step, I
assumed that it would not require much argument to convince you that
it is more glorious as well as more fitting to fight for our liberty
than for the supremacy of the Romans. " - Dionysius of Halicarnassus
3.23, 1-8

Today is the second day of the festival of Mars.


"Remote though your farm be, It's something to be the lord of one
green lizard - and free." - Iuvenal, Satires

On March 2, A.D. 55, the Roman poet Iuvenal was born.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87474 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Readings from Iuvenal :)
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

For your entertainment!

"difficile est saturam non scribere. nam quis iniquae
tam patiens urbis, tam ferreus, ut teneat se..." - Satires, 1.30-32

[It is hard not to write Satire. For who is so tolerant
of the unjust City, so steeled, that he can restrain himself...] - translation G. G. Ramsay, Ancient History Sourcebook



"ex quo Deucalion nimbis tollentibus aequor
nauigio montem ascendit sortesque poposcit
paulatimque anima caluerunt mollia saxa
et maribus nudas ostendit Pyrrha puellas,
quidquid agunt homines, uotum, timor, ira, uoluptas,
gaudia, discursus, nostri farrago libelli est." - (op.cit., 1.81–86)

[Back from when Deucalion climbed a mountain in a boat
as the clouds lifted the waters, and then asked for an oracle,
and then little by little spirit warmed the soft stones
and Pyrrha showed naked girls to their husbands,
whatever men do – prayer, fear, rage, pleasure
joy, running about – is the grist of my little book.]



"quid Romae faciam? mentiri nescio; librum,
si malus est, nequeo laudare et poscere; motus
astrorum ignoro; funus promittere patris
nec uolo nec possum; ranarum uiscera numquam
inspexi; ferre ad nuptam quae mittit adulter,
quae mandat, norunt alii; me nemo ministro
fur erit, atque ideo nulli comes exeo tamquam
mancus et extinctae corpus non utile dextrae." - (op.cit., 3.41-48)

[What could I do at Rome? I don't know how to cheat;
If a book is bad, I am unable to praise it and ask for one;
I don't understand the motions of the stars – I am neither willing
nor able to predict the death of someone's father; I never inspected the guts of frogs; other men know all about ferrying what the adulterers send to brides; nobody is going to be a thief with me as his accomplice, and that right there is why I'm going in no governor's entourage – I'm like a cripple, a useless body with a dead right hand.]



"si Fortuna uolet, fies de rhetore consul;
si uolet haec eadem, fiet de consule rhetor.
Ventidius quid enim? quid Tullius? anne aliud quam
sidus et occulti miranda potentia fati?
seruis regna dabunt, captiuis fata triumphum.
felix ille tamen coruo quoque rarior albo." - (op.cit., 7.197-202)


[If the goddess Fortuna wants, from a mere teacher you will become consul, if this same goddess wants, a teacher will be made from a consul. For what was Ventidius? What was Tullius? Anything really
other than a comet and the marvelous power of hidden fate?
Kingdoms will be given to slaves, and a triumph to captives.
A really fortunate man, however, is even more rare than a white crow.]




"orandum est ut sit mens sana in corpore sano.
fortem posce animum mortis terrore carentem,
qui spatium uitae extremum inter munera ponat
naturae, qui ferre queat quoscumque labores,
nesciat irasci, cupiat nihil et potiores
Herculis aerumnas credat saeuosque labores
et uenere et cenis et pluma Sardanapalli.
monstro quod ipse tibi possis dare; semita certe
tranquillae per uirtutem patet unica uitae." - (op.cit., 10.356-64)

[It is to be prayed that the mind be sound in a sound body.
Ask for a brave soul that lacks the fear of death,
which places the length of life last among nature's blessings,
which is able to bear whatever kind of sufferings,
does not know anger, lusts for nothing and believes
the hardships and savage labors of Hercules better than
the satisfactions, feasts, and feather bed of an Eastern king.
I will reveal what you are able to give yourself;
For certain, the one footpath of a tranquil life lies through virtue.]

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87475 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765 --Certamen Mythologicum (Dies/Day 2)
Sta.Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Somehow did the word switch yesterday, so the subject line is more proper
now ... Today is day two of the Mythology Quiz, each question is worth 3
points. Please submit all answers to the following e-mail address
Musesdream@... subject header/"Mythology Quiz"..

***Special Note*** Please do not reply with answers on the Main List,
please submit them through private response only! See the questions below.

Bonam Fortunam (Good Luck) to all the participants!

Valete Optime,
Aeternia


*Dies 2: (Iuno)*



1. Juno forms the Capitoline Triad with which two other Deities?

2. Juno is associated with which element?

3. Name Juno�s favorite bird?

* *


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87476 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Roman Days
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis
S.P.D.

Below is an official announcement of the Roman Days reenactment. This
is one of the premiere reenactments in the US, if not THE premiere one. I
have attended this event several times, and it is VERY impressive, with
several reenactment legions as well as other reenactors present. I heartily
recommend it to any and all, with the caveats that the area is near DC, and
not cheap, plus like all such events, it is weather-dependent, and may be
wholly or partially cancelled in case of heavy rain. There is a mansion
onsite, however, and they may be able to conduct some activities indoors, as
we did at the first Roman Days I attended at their original and long-time
previous site.

=========

ROMAN DAYS

The Legion will return to Riversdale House Museum for Roman Days
on June 9-10, 2012. Obviously the entire ancient world is invited! The
street address is 4811 Riverdale Rd, Riverdale, MD 20737. Public hours will
be 10-4 on Saturday and 12-4 on Sunday. Admission for the public is
something like $4 or $5, but there is no charge for participants. There may
be a food plan, though, so stay tuned for that.

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/rdays.html
http://romandays.wikispaces.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romandays/
http://www.riversdale.org/

Come one, come all! Remember, you do NOT have to be a reenactor to
participate in some way! And you don't have to be a Roman, either--we'd love
to see Greeks, Egyptians, Britons, Carthaginians, or anything else like
that. More information is *supposed* to be on the Roman Days page of the
Legio XX site, and on the Roman Days Wiki, but I think we're a tad behind on
all thatŠ

=======

Valete!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87477 From: D. Cornelius Mento Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Roman Days
Salve,

Great post. Thank you.


Vale,

D. Mento

On 3/2/2012 1:57 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica wrote:
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
> Below is an official announcement of the Roman Days reenactment. This
> is one of the premiere reenactments in the US, if not THE premiere one. I
> have attended this event several times, and it is VERY impressive, with
> several reenactment legions as well as other reenactors present. I
> heartily
> recommend it to any and all, with the caveats that the area is near
> DC, and
> not cheap, plus like all such events, it is weather-dependent, and may be
> wholly or partially cancelled in case of heavy rain. There is a mansion
> onsite, however, and they may be able to conduct some activities
> indoors, as
> we did at the first Roman Days I attended at their original and long-time
> previous site.
>
> =========
>
> ROMAN DAYS
>
> The Legion will return to Riversdale House Museum for Roman Days
> on June 9-10, 2012. Obviously the entire ancient world is invited! The
> street address is 4811 Riverdale Rd, Riverdale, MD 20737. Public hours
> will
> be 10-4 on Saturday and 12-4 on Sunday. Admission for the public is
> something like $4 or $5, but there is no charge for participants.
> There may
> be a food plan, though, so stay tuned for that.
>
> http://www.larp.com/legioxx/rdays.html
> http://romandays.wikispaces.com/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romandays/
> http://www.riversdale.org/
>
> Come one, come all! Remember, you do NOT have to be a reenactor to
> participate in some way! And you don't have to be a Roman,
> either--we'd love
> to see Greeks, Egyptians, Britons, Carthaginians, or anything else like
> that. More information is *supposed* to be on the Roman Days page of the
> Legio XX site, and on the Roman Days Wiki, but I think we're a tad
> behind on
> all thatS(
>
> =======
>
> Valete!
>
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>
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87478 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Nova Roman Signs
Salvete This is a picture of the Nova Roman booth I set up for the 2007 Roman Days in Maryland.Pictured is former citizen Paula Gratia Stephana wife of Gnaeus Equitius Marinus. Also included in the picture are the blue and white banners I had made for these types ofevents. A few years ago I loaned them and now I don't remember who to. If you have these banners please drop me a note. Thanks Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87479 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Triclinium chat Dies 2:
Salvete omnes

The new year, the fourteenth in the history of Nova Roma, was beginning with the Ludi. Our group of friends and families had met up again to hold our big family gathering, enjoy the spectacles of the City, and delight in the thrills and spills of the games.

We had taken our seats in our usual places in the Circus, and before long we were waving and calling out greetings to nearby groups who we recognised. Our numbers seemed to have been growing with every season. We had even started to mark big family events by the year of the games.

The races were even more exciting than usual this year. We shouted, cheered and groaned until our throats were tired and dry, then we were ready to buy some of the delights that the merchants were selling. The little dark girl who looked after us last year was here again, and she had remembered what we enjoyed to eat and drink. She had brought a large supply of honey cakes, made by the confectioner we had visited last year, and we were eager to stock up on these treats.

Each day was dedicated to a deity, and today we celebrated Iuno. The priests performed the ritual in her honour, and we all strained to hear the words and craned our necks to see the offerings that were made. How good it is to see the gods honoured through the games, and the people of New Rome being assured of the peace and protection of their gods. There is no doubt that we live in the best state in the whole world, with the best people, living in harmony with the gods. The People, the State, the gods and goddesses, all in harmony, strong and united.

We talked about how proper and correct it was that, while enjoying ourselves at the Ludi, we should be reminded of our gods, and how important they are to us, our lives and our Republic. We wondered how much we really knew about them, and we invented a game of our own to see who could remember the most about each of them. We made a start – Iuno was the wife of Iuppiter, Greatest and best, mother of Mars and Vulcan, Queen of heaven and protector of Rome. But then the races began again and we had to put our list on one side until later.

Almost before we knew it the day was over, the results were all calculated, the factions had waved their streamers and pom-poms, and sung their battle choruses at each other. The crowds were leaving, and we followed them out into the streets, walking slowly, not wanting the day to end. Eventually we came to the square where we all departed on our own way, and we suddenly realised that we had reached the corner that led to our favourite tavern, called The Eagle.

The Eagle was a very old tavern. Some said that it had its origins in the earliest days of Rome when a shepherd welcomed some strangers into his home during a storm, and gave them food and wine. Some strange tales had come down to us about who those strangers might have been. Some said that one was Mars, some said Vulcan – but Vulcan might have been the thunder in the storm. The stories said that because they had been sheltered in the hut, the hut would always give shelter to those passing through Rome.

Many soldiers had passed through Rome on their way to and from their postings, and the stories said that was why it was called "The Eagle". The sign above the door, though old and faded, was indeed an Eagle. For longer than anyone could tell, soldiers passing through and using it as their mess had spent some of the last of their pay on some gold paint to repair the worn sign. It had lost the sharpness of its youth, but had become mellowed and enriched by the passage of time.

And that was rather like the two characters we could see in front of us, making their way into the Eagle. They were inseparable, but completely opposite in almost every way. Merlinius, a mysterius bearded man, with a wizened face – some said he was a wizard, for inexplicable things had happened when he was around. He seemed to have come from the mountains of Britannia, and wore a strange huge pointed floppy hat and long billowing cape, and carried a tall staff. His companion could not have been more different. He was Parnesius, Centurion of the Seventh. Despite his age he looked every inch the soldier, with ramrod back, straight shoulders, steady eye, and the scars of a hundred battles. They had met during a campaign in the west of Britannia, and had travelled together ever since.

We followed them into the Eagle, and they looked round as we called out their names. We were all delighted to be renewing our friendship, and we called to Vinius, the innkeeper, for our favourite Falernian wine that we all enjoyed. It was expensive, but, because it was the best, it quickly relaxed us and helped the talk to flow.

We quickly caught up on what had been happening over the winter – apparently the Seventh had been involved in some mysterious affair that Parnesius was not ready to talk about, and then we were comparing thoughts about the games. Some of the younger men caught the conversation, and wanted to know more about Iuno who was held in tribute today.

"Very well" said Merlinius, "I suppose you want a story. Bring wine, and let's make ourselves at home". And so we went through into the back room, with the three couches around the small table, the large old lamps and the glowing logs in the grate, and we installed ourselves for the evening's entertainment.

Merlinius took a long draught of his wine, and began his tale. We never knew how much was real, how much was made up, how much he really knew, and how much he changed for our benefit. He was a strange man, and if we did not know him, - or perhaps if Parnesius did not vouch for him – we would have every reason to be suspicious. But he had proved himself to be a friend of Rome, and so we listened eagerly as his tale unravelled.

"Iuno is Queen of heaven, wife of Iuppiter, Greatest and Best, the mother of Vulcan and Mars, and therefore part of the ancestry of Rome, and of course she protects Rome." So you were right in what you all remembered in your quiz today. But because she is an ancient goddess, who has been protecting and guarding so many different groups of people in many lands and through many ages, she has acquired more names than most of the gods and goddesses".

You Romans know her as Iuno Lucina because she protects women and children. As Iuno Moneta she warns against disasters and protects those about to marry. As Iuno Regina she protects Rome – remember when the Gauls had captured nearly all of the City, but the sacred geese from her temple warned that the Capitol was being attacked, and awakened the defenders so that Rome was saved". Parnesius was nodding his head in agreement. He was a great believer in having geese with him on campaign. "Sometimes I think they're the best soldiers of all. They never fail to guard the camp, they lay eggs for food instead of just eating it, and occasionally you can cook one. Oh yes, give me a squad of geese every time!", and he laughed, and we all joined in with him.

Merlinius had seized the chance to savour some more of his wine. The Eagle was noted for the quality of its fare. Perhaps there was some truth in those old stories about the gods promising that there would always be a tavern here. Or perhaps it was just the deals struck by our troops during their campaigns that ensured a good supply of food and wine.

Meanwhile Merlinius had picked up his thread, and was telling us how Iuno was so important that the calendar was designed around her. "She is so important to Romans that he first days of each Roman month, the calends, are sacred to Juno, and so is the entire month of June, which is still named after her. And as Iuno is the goddess of marriages, June is the most popular month for weddings. She protects the brides, and blesses the marriages, and shields the children from harm. She watches over them as they learn to eat and drink, and prevents any accidents from harming them. She knows that they will be the soldiers and wives of the future generations who will carry the power of Rome further across the world."

"She has, in the past, inspired women to play vital parts in the safety of the city, using cunning rather than force of arms to overturn setbacks and gain advantages. Juno was adamant that fidelity was a part of marriage, and she would not tolerate infidelity. Do you all remember the story of Echo? He was a particular friend of Jupiter, but was accused of talking too much. So Juno removed Echo's power of speech except to repeat the last couple of words he had hear". The younger men started to pretend to be the echo, throwing words back and forwards between them and laughing. Mercurius let them get the joke out of their system, and then continued.

"We have to remember that Iuno is powerful – much more powerful than some of the other goddesses I have told you about in the past. I can think of some of those as gentle innocent girls, but Iuno is different. As well as defending and protecting, she also has a more warlike nature. She is often depicted wearing a goat skin coat, like the one favoured among Roman soldiers, and driving ferociously in her chariot drawn by horses or goats. On her head she wears a goat skin, the horns drawn back over her head. She can throw lightning bolts, just like her husband Iuppiter, Greatest and best".

"And now let me tell you my favourite part of the story. Iuppiter, Greatest and best, came down to earth to visit a beautiful maiden called Io. He tried to hide what he was doing by throwing down a great blanket of clouds. But when Iuno saw them, she at once became suspicious. So she summoned her faithful guard dog, called Argos, to keep watch. Now Argos had one hundred eyes, and never went to sleep with all his eyes shut. Now, Iuppiter, Greatest and best, sent his messenger, Mercury to talk to Argos, and Mercury talked for so long that eventually Argos did go to sleep with all his eyes closed. And when he was asleep, Mercury killed him".

"Now Iuno was so sad at the death of her dog Argos, that she took his eyes and placed them on the tail of the most beautiful bird in her garden. That bird was the peacock, and whenever you see a peacock spread his beautiful tail you can see the eyes of Argos picked out in shimmering colours in the feathers"

So both geese and peacocks are sacred to Iuno. One is beautiful, the other is useful. You should always remember the goddess of Rome with thankfulness and awe. She is Rome's powerful protector".

The two friends finished their Falernian, promised to meet us right through the Ludi, and went off together into the night.

Valete omnes
Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87480 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI - Certamen Latinum #1 (Latin Quiz)
***Posting quiz answers to the mailing list is FORBIDDEN!***
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Cn. Lentulus scriba aedilis C. Mariae Caecae: Quiritibus: S. P. D.

Preface

We are the landless nation of the New Romans, the Res Publica Nova Romana, celebrating the 14th Birthday of Nova Roma , the Concordialia on 1st March, and the ludi Novi Romani in the upcoming 14 days, honoring our 14 years. Our common national language is the Latin. Our patriotic, Roman duty is to learn this language, or at least, to get familiar with some expressions and important facts regarding our wonderful and eternal Latin language. It doesn’t matter if you fail learning our language, it doesn’t matter if you can’t. The only thing that matters it’s that you try, that you give some time and effort to honor your Roman identity. Because national identity, first and foremost, lives in the language. We, the Nova Romans, created Nova Roma to restore the Roman national and cultural identity, and its living community: the Roman Res Publica. It’s a huge and important personal step forward to get informed about Latin. Maybe you will never have time
or energy to learn it, but it’s your duty to make some efforts, if not learning it, but at least informing you about it in a small extent. If you do only that, you did well already.

By participating in this Latin Contest, Certamen Latinum, you will be
guided through the basics of the Latin language. You will get a clue how Latin works, how it looks like “from inside”. We will start from the
very bottom and we will arrive to understand some basic Latin sentences. At, the end, every participant will feel that Latin is not so hard as
you thought, and maybe you will want to continue learning on your own.

Attention: this Certamen Latinum is designed for beginners, those who
are advanced speakers of Latin are gently asked not to participate since it would not be fair competition.

You can follow the Certamen Latin on our ludus webpage, too:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum

 

March 3rd - Day 3 of the Ludi Novi Romani – Question 1 of the Certamen Latinum


I. INTRODUCTION 1 - Dictionary Forms of Nouns


Latin is a heavily inflected language, which means that Latin indicates
grammatical information by changing the ending of the words. Nouns are
grouped into 5 declensions (noun inflection groups), verbs can be
classified into 4 conjugations (verb inflection groups). If we change a
noun’s ending to express its grammatical role, we say we “decline” it.
If we change a verb’s ending to express the person or the time (tense),
we say we “conjugate” it. To determine which declension or conjugation
group a verb belongs to, you have to look into a Latin dictionary.

Today we will examine the dictionary forms of nouns only.

In the case of nouns, for example, “friend”, you will find:

amicus, -i, m.

This is 3 pieces of information:

(1) amicus;

(2) -i;

(3) m.

(1) This means that the word “friend” in nominative (subject) case is
“amicus”. Learn more about what nominative case means here, on our
website:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Nominative

(2) The abbreviated form “-i” means that the word “friend” in genitive
(possessive) case is “amici” (something of friend, or friend’s
something), thus the original ending “-us” changes to “-i”. Learn more
about what nominative case means here, on our website:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Genitive

Well, this is the most important point. This ending “–i” determines that
“amicus” belongs to the “second declension”, whose identifier is the
genitive “–i”. As we have mentioned, there are 5 declensions, and each
one of these has a unique, declension-specific genitive ending. It’s
important because the genitive ending determines the other inflections
as well. The five types of genitive ending and the five declensions
determined by the different genitive endings are:

'''-ae''' = 1st declension, e.g.: Roma, -ae, f (Rome)
'''-i''' = 2nd declension, eg.: amicus, -i, m (friend)
'''-is''' = 3rd declension, e.g.: rex, regis, m (king)
'''-ús''' = 4th declension, eg.: senatus, -ús, m (senate)
'''-ei''' = 5th declension, eg. fides, -ei, f (loyalty)

(3) The “m.” means that it is a masculine noun. In Latin, all nouns have
three genders, they are masculine, (abbreviated as “m”), feminine
(abbreviated as “f”), and neuter (abbreviated as “n”). English has a
similar phenomenon when we use “he”, “she” or “it”. The new thing in this is that Latin uses these genders for things or abstract concepts, too, like in the exemples above, “loyalty” (fides, -ei, f) is feminine in Latin, the “senate” (senatus, -ús, m) is masculine, “Rome” (Roma, -ae, f) is, again, feminine.

Learn more about understanding dictionary forms of Latin nouns here, on our website:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Declension


II. QUESTION 1


Find a Latin dictionary. Attention! If you use an online dictionary, be
aware that most of the online dictionaries are incomplete and do not
give the full, correct dictionary forms of the Latin words. If you can use only online resources, please use the following Google Books
digitalized Latin dictionary:

http://books.google.com/books?id=k1ZFAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

Look into the dictionary and determine which declensions the following 10 nouns belong to (10 x 1 pts).

Solve the abbreviations and spell out, write out the full forms of their
possessive form (genitive) (10 x 0.5 pts) and their gender (10 x 0.1
pts). ***Posting answers to the mailing list is FORBIDDEN!***

imperium
dictator
victoria
auctoritas
spes
virtus
cognomen
senatus
centurio
domus


III. AN EXAMPLE HOW TO DO IT:


praetor;

- after looking into a dictionary, you will find its dictionary form is
“praetor, -oris, m”, so you will give the following data:

praetor, 3rd declension '''(1pt)'''; praetoris '''(0.5pt)''', masculine '''(0.1pt)'''

*Comments: It’s 3rd declension, because in the abbreviated genitive form given as “–oris” for "praetoris", the genitive ending “-is” determines that it must belong to the 3rd declension.


IV. RULES OF THE CERTAMEN LATINUM


One question a day will be posted, participants must send their answers
not to this e-mail address but to  <cnaeus_cornelius@...>
within 24 hours of posting. Please do *not* post answers to the list!

The correct answers of the previous day and interim results will be announced together with the posting of the next questions.


SEE TODAY'S QUESTION ON OUR WEBSITE:
http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87481 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Triclinium Chat
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C.Mariae Caecae S.P.D.

You know it takes some skill to write about yourself in third person
narrative. This piece speaks volumes in many ways, it's different and not
in a bad way of different. I think we are seeing our Aedile "stepping out
of her normal zone" into more exploratory writing.

Creative growth is never a bad thing. Well done Caeca!! <snaps kudos>

Vale Optime,
Aeternia


"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87482 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
Salvete, Quirites!


I suggest every contributor in this thread that you jump in to the Certamen Latinum. It is incredible, but within 10 days you will know almost every important grammar of Latin, and you will be able to write elaborate sentences!

True story! :)

Valete!
Lentulus, pontifex, etc.
Latin teacher
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87483 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: CENSUS OF FLUENT LATIN SPEAKERS Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Numbers, str
Salvete, Quirites!

Likewise in the other thread, I suggest every contributor in this thread
that you jump in to the Certamen Latinum. It is incredible, but within
10 days you will know almost every important grammar of Latin, and you
will be able to write elaborate sentences!

True story! :)

Valete!
Lentulus, pontifex, etc.
Latin teacher
















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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87484 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: CENSUS OF FLUENT LATIN SPEAKERS Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Numbers, str
Caeca Lentulo Sal!

Quit tempting me! I've about given up on thinking I will ever become even slightly proficient in Latin, but I'll take a closer look.

Vale quam optime!
CMC

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87485 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Tribute to Iuno
Salvete! I wasn't expecting *this* one!

Iuno's geese



Pre-dawn silence shatters

Raucous cries of angry geese

Calls in the language of alarm:



Warriors seize weapons

Move unseen to walls, silent

Enemies arise, are thrown

Like playthings, down upon

Sharp rocks, their comrades;



Dawn draws glory in the Eastern sky;

Iuno Maneta nods. Rome abides.



C. Maria Caeca

03/02/12


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87486 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Devotional to Iuno
Consort of mighty Iupiter,

Majestic Mother,

Great Lady, whose smiles

Bless the verdant Earth,

Whose jeweled veil flows

In glory from pole to pole

In the midnight velvet sky,

I lift my hands to you,in adoration.



Gentle Iuno, who gives solace to the widow

Who comforts the mothers of dead sons,

Who rocks our children, protecting them

In your warm and ample lap,

I salute you.



Mighty in anger, you

Who set your geese to warn

You who send your peacocks

To watch the acts of faith and

Faithlessness, avenger of wronged women,

I sing your praise.



C. Maria Caeca

Copyright 3/2/12




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87487 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: CENSUS OF FLUENT LATIN SPEAKERS Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Numbers, str
Aeternia Cn. Lentulo sal.

This quiz takes me back to my early years in college...

Yes I have submitted an entry, now I expect Lentule to participate in the
mythology quiz =)


Vale Optime,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87488 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Devotional to Iuno
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C.Mariae Caecae sal.


I love the line *"In the midnight velvet sky"*. That stood out very well.

Beautiful piece again Caeca, kudos to the Mistress of the Quill.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87489 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Devotional to Iuno
Caeca Aeterniae sal!

Thank you kindly, Praetrix.

CMC

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87490 From: C.Petronius Dexter Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Test
Test.

Envoyé depuis mon Sony Ericsson LT18
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87491 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Tribute to Iuno
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C.Mariae Caecae sal.

The muse strikes when you least expect as I have discovered.

Beautiful Tribute, Caeca gratias tibi.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87492 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Tribute to Iuno
Salve, Aeternia!

Gratias tibi ago, Praetrix.

C.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87493 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Triclinium chat Dies 2:
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C. Marcio Crispo sal.


I enjoyed reading this, very vivid imagery, great descriptions,consistent
flow. Nicely done Crispe!



Vale Optime,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87494 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Triclinium chat Dies 2:
Salve Crispe!

It as, as always, delightful ...and if my muse suddenly awoke, it's *your* fault, LOL! Seriously, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your story! I'd say why, but I'd be repeating Aeternia ...so, just double what she said.

Vale quam optime!
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87495 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Triclinium Chat
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae quiritibus bonae voluntatis,
> praesertim novissimis, S.P.D.
>
> Those of us who are old hands here in Nova Roma know that there is a lot
> more to this than what our aedilis has mentioned, so let me tell our newer
> citizens in particular (that¹s what some of the Latin in my greeting above
> means) just what happened to our Maria on Valentine¹s Day of 2011. My
> comments are interleaved below.
>
> "Oh, come on, Maria" said the Praetrix, Aeternia, laughing. "You know you
> want to go with us to the Eagle!"
>
> "I do?" The curule aedile looked at Aeternia, also smiling. It had been a
> long day, beginning before sunrise, filled with sound, movement, color and
> activity, and she had been at the center of it all .directing, answering
> frantic questions, solving problems with snap (and she fervently hoped) good
> decisions. The weather had certainly cooperated, with lots of sun, but
> temperatures in the comfortable high 60s, and a bit of a breeze. The city was
> packed to overflowing with citizens and guests, and most businesses and shops
> were closed for the festivities. She secretly thought that most of the shops
> were closed so that their employees could take to the streets with carts,
> trays, even heavily laden servants, offering everything imaginable, including
> pets of all sorts. But things had gone incredibly well. The citizens had even
> welcomed all the speeches by the senior magistrates, with no signs of boredom
> or impatience. Aeternia, resplendent in silver silk, had drawn a standing
> ovation, for people remembered her Ludi last year, and wanted to express their
> approval of her .and did, with shouts, applause, flowers and compliments. She
> had had to wait for at least 10 minutes to make her speech, and, despite her
> blushes, she had loved every minute of the demonstration.
>
> Now, C. Maria sat watching her guests enjoying her very formal dinner, which
> had also been splendid, finishing with a 14 layer birthday cake, gleaming with
> 14 candles. There had been a chocolate layer, of course, but, to accommodate
> 1 of her guests who couldn't eat chocolate, a small separate cake had been
> prepared, with another caramel layer substituting for the chocolate, and it
> had been served to her, while others were getting pieces of the larger model.
>
> Maria had changed from her sacred garments and now wore a tunica, stola and
> pala in rich blue. The pala was lace, and she felt pretty sure it
> complimented her.
>
> "Tell her, Julia! She *wants* to come with us" said Aeternia, now laughing
> openly.
>
> "OK" said Julia, "You *want* to come with us. Besides, you never know who
> you'll see over there."
>
> Maria threw up her hands in mock defeat. "It is absolutely impossible to argue
> with the 2 of you and win! Let's just adjourn the party to the Eagle, shall
> we?"
>
> And, so they did, with a very few exceptions. It was crowded when they came
> in, but Vinius, dispensing smiles and hugs with gleeful abandon, found space
> for them, and made them comfortable. They talked and laughed, waving to
> people they knew.
>
> "Come over here" called Julia to a young man. "Maria, I want you to meet one
> of our newest citizens." "Mento, this is our curule Aedile. Maria, this is
> Cornelius Mento, one of our new ones, and the 2 gentlemen with him are ."
>
> "Oh," said Mento with a contagious smile, "this is Claudius Axenrothus, and
> this is Cassius Longinus."
>
> "I'm delighted to meet you," said Maria, "please sit down and join us." She
> glanced over to the bar, and a server came quickly to take orders for more
> wine all round.
>
> "So, Gentlemen" said Maria, "how are you enjoying your new citizenship and the
> games?"
>
> "They all made positive comments, but she wasn't through. "No, tell me! Are
> you having any problems, or questions with which we might help you?"
>
> "Well, yeah," said Mento. "I see you all acting real friendly now, but I
> can't help but wonder how real all this camaraderie is. I bet that if you
> don't agree on something, all this nice act will stop, and you'll be at each
> others' throats."
>
> "Well, now, Mento." Aeternia drew in a breath to speak, but Maria put her hand
> lightly on Aeternia's. "It's OK" she said. Then turned to the young men.
>
> "Part of what you say is quite true, Mento. We have had, and will have, some
> very sharp debates. Names will be called, and insults will fly, and yes, we
> will, at least verbally, be at each others' throats. But, you see, we can
> *do* that because, beneath all that spitting and hissing, there is more, much
> more. Let me explain."
>
> "About a year ago, I was hit by a bus while on my way to work. I spent over 2
> months in the hospital, much of it sedated, and some of it apparently fighting
> for my life. There were friends, of course, from Nova Roma, who kept in
> contact with me, and when they couldn't, with the nurses in the ICU (who were
> my hosts for over a month)."
>
> ATS: Maria didn¹t mention here that she was a pedestrian, that the city
> bus driver was apparently looking at the ceiling instead of the road, and that
> having buses hit blind pedestrians seems to be an everyday occurrence in her
> city, for we could not find a single online media or police report on this.
> We had to pester the nurses in the hospital ICU in order to find anything out,
> and what we did learn was horrifying. Her shoulder was crushed, her arm was
> fractured in multiple places, most, if not all, of her ribs were broken, and
> apparently one or more of them had pierced her lung(s). She had at least five
> surgeries, with more threatened, and five orthopedic doctors thought she would
> die. She fooled them. Perhaps our pestering helped; Maria is a strong woman,
> and we let the staff know that lots of people cared about her. Later, when
> they sent her to a grim rehab center, we were able to speak with her ourselves
> (though not with the staff; they could not be reached). It was a long haul,
> but we from Nova Roma helped her pull through.
>
>
> Maria reached her hands to Aeternia and Julia, who were sitting on either side
> of her, and smiled across the table to Scholastica, who they had convinced to
> come to the Eagle, despite her pleas of too much work. "These 3 ladies kept
> me sane, kept my spirits up, consoled me, helped me get through the times I
> was terrified, in pain, or ready to just quit, and kept me informed about NR
> news.
>
> ATS: Indeed we did. Once we could talk with her, we encouraged her every
> step of the way... and kept her up on the NR news.
>
> They were my lifeline in ways I hope you will never come to understand. But
> we had been good friends for a long time, and they would have done the same
> thing, even if we hadn't been NR citizens. So, I lived, and I finally came
> home."
>
> She stopped then, looking into her glass of wine, and took a deep, slow
> breath. "I found out that I had been attacked, verbally, of course .that my
> very acceptability to the gods had been challenged, and that I had been
> furiously defended, not just by my friends, but by people who didn't know me
> very well."
>
> Maria realized that her hand had clenched around her wine cup, and that she
> was almost rigid with tension, so she made herself relax. When she had, she
> looked directly into Mento's eyes.
>
> "I learned another lesson, then. You see, I came home to visible, tangible
> signs not just of support, but of real caring. Again, from my friends, yes
> .but also from people with whom I had had little, or no, direct contact. I
> read each message of concern and encouragement, and there were times I had to
> stop, because they were so moving that they overwhelmed me. "
>
> "You are thinking ""sure, but she's been here a long time, and people like
> her"" and, for some, that might be true. I'll tell you, however, what *else*
> is true. The reaction would have been the same for any citizen under the same
> circumstances. We may fight like siblings. We may call each other names. We
> often disagree, and none of us are in the least shy about saying so, usually
> in infinite detail and at infinite length .but, beneath that, we care about
> each other, and when something terrible happens, we close ranks more quickly
> and more solidly than you can imagine. Don't expect it to happen for you over
> night .but if you stay, and you become active, you will find friends, and if,
> the gods forbid, something terrible should ever happen to you, you will find
> that we, all of us, will be there, to help you in small ways .and large ways,
> too."
>
> The 3 young men drank deeply, and watched as the curule Aedile relaxed and
> smiled at them. "Wow" said Axenrothus" I had no idea! But, you know, it's
> good to hear, because it tells me we really are a community, and not just in
> self definition."
>
> The door of the Eagle was flung open, and a very tall young man came hurrying
> in, with his wife beside him. He looked around the room, and headed straight
> for the large table, followed closely by 2 servers, bringing extra seating.
>
> "Salve Maria, Amica!" he called, laughing. "Lentule!" she said, standing up
> quickly, and going to meet them. She embraced Popillia, and then held out her
> hands to the Pontifex.
>
> He ignored them, and swept her up in a hug that took her completely off her
> feet. "You, Mi Maria, are entirely too formal! Come! I have a surprise for
> you!"
>
> "Oh? She said, a bit breathlessly," Well, come have some wine, then, and tell
> me about this.surprise".
>
> They sat down, more wine came, and Popilia, smiling shyly, handed a
> beautifully wrapped box to the Curule Aedile. "It's from both of us" she
> said, "Because we are so happy to have you back with us, and to celebrate your
> year in office."
>
> Maria blinked quickly, and held the box in her hands. "Well," said Aeternia
> and Julia, almost in unison, "Open your loot!" said Aeternia, "Or I will!"
> Everyone laughed, and the table became quiet. Vinius seemed to appear from no
> where, making a production of pouring wine while watching the Aedile's hands.
>
> Slowly, carefully, she unwrapped the box, and folded back the tissue paper,
> then gasped, her face registering a mixture of surprise and delight. "WHAT?"
> said Mento, leaning forward to see.
>
> She reached in, and gently lifted out a small statue of the goddess Concordia,
> carved, it would seem, from alabaster. She set it gently on the table in
> front of her, and with her other hand, reached to touch the hands of her
> friends. "I .I .thank you both, so very much for this, but .."
>
> "Lentulus smiled at her, but his eyes were serious. "I think, Maria, that you
> know why, do you not?" he said, very quietly.
>
> ATS: We all know why...
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87496 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Ludi Latin (not the certamen!)
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

While correcting an assignment from Wheelock, I came across one of the
author¹s gems, one which seems quite appropriate as we approach the
circenses:

Equí ejus, cum fatígátí essent et ventus esset eís adversus, ad métam
tamen quam celerrimé currébant.
>
>
>
> Although his horses had been exhausted and the wind was against them,
> nevertheless kept running as quickly as possible toward the turning post.
>
> ====
>
> Way to go, chariots of the circenses! I won¹t mention which faction is
> best, however...
>
> Valete!
>
>
>
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87497 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Ludi Latin (not the certamen!)
Caeca Scholasticae sal!

Oh ...I'll mention the best factio! It's ALBATA!!!!!!! We win! Albata Victoria!

Valete!
CMC

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87498 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-02
Subject: Re: Triclinium Chat
Salve, Scholastica et salvete omnes!

Um ...um ...thank you! there is, after all, little else to say, and you know me well enough that I don't have to, anyway, (smile).

Vale et valete!
Maria

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87499 From: Jean-François Arnoud Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re : [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
C. Petronius L. Sullae salutem,
 
You wrote: "The perfect solution would be one that utilizes both functions.  Then the
user decides what is best for them.  I know personally I would prefer
email.  But others perfer a forum setting."
 
Emails sometime do not appear, while the posts are posted in the forums. For example, I sent my message on the Kalends of March on 3 fora. Nova Roma (main list), Collegium pontificum and religio Romana.
 
The posts are visible on the fora:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/87435
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/message/509
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ReligioRomana/message/14190
 
But none of them are in my Yahoo mail box.
 
Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat a. d. V Nonas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cons.



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De : Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@...>
À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mercredi 22 février 2012 19h40
Objet : Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum

Ave!

The perfect solution would be one that utilizes both functions.  Then the
user decides what is best for them.  I know personally I would prefer
email.  But others perfer a forum setting.  NR originally started with
forums way back in the day but email just proved easier.  If there is a way
to create functionality that both would work and that responses to emails
also showed up in forums (and vice versa) this would be ideal, I believe.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Salvete Omnes!
> I've got to agree with the sentiment here.  Forums are much easier to
> follow than email lists.  As it stands now, I find myself buried in emails
> from the lists, which makes things a bit overwhelming.  A forum organizes
> things much more easily.  Overall it's a much better way to communicate,
> and it's definitely something worth looking into.
> Valete!
> Gaius Decius Laterensis
>
> --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Yehya <yehya_61@...> wrote:
>
> From: Yehya <yehya_61@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 7:57 AM
>
>
>
> Salve!
>
> "Very simply, because most of us are on dozens of lists and don't have
>
> time to go prowling around such fora. We prefer mailing lists so we
> receive the posts (when Yahoo cooperates). We did have a chat room, but it
> seems only one person showed up, and it does take two or more to have a
> conversation- -outside of the loony bin, anyway."
>
> Although I agree with you about chat (it only works of those who have the
> time at a specific time are available) I also agree that Yahoo Groups are
> one of the worst ways to communicate online. A decent forum where we could
> set up different folders and start threads and post to the threads and read
> prior ones without needing to sort through prior emails would go a long way
> to upgrading the experience.
>
> Most Fora also have a new posts function that shows you the new posts
> since you last signed on so you don't need to go "prowling around". It is
> far easier to follow a discussion such as this without all the annoying >>>
> indicators thrown in and no need to look through five days ago emails to
> follow the thread to it's conclusion.
>
> Simply put Yahoo Groups spells cheap and second rate. Is that the message
> we want to send to both our citizens and outsiders? Remember a decent forum
> could have a public anyone can register), private (members only), and
> restricted (certain members like Senators only) sections without too much
> security issues.
>
> I can show examples of hundreds of different forums like this such as
> "Roman Army Talk".
>
> I don't mind contributing money or paying taxes but if all it is to do is
> support free email list or two and a basic website I have to wonder why?
>
> If you are looking for ways to grow Nova Roma then listen to what the new
> members are telling you. If you want to keep it a small exclusive blub for
> the convenience of a few older members then continue on as you have but do
> not expect to ever grow.
>
> Vale!
>
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>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87500 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Nova Roma Forum
C. Maria Caeca C. Petronio Dextero Pontifici Maximo, Praetori S. P. D.

Your messages never appeared in my mail, either. Hmmm ...maybe Yahoo just ..doesn't like you? (smile)

Vale et valete bene!
CMC

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87501 From: Jean-François Arnoud Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re : [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
C. Petronius Mariae Caecae salutem,
 
I do not believe that Yahoo is able to like or not to like someone, I think that it is a not reliable.
 
Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat a. d V kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.


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De : C. Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>
À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Samedi 3 mars 2012 6h52
Objet : Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum

C. Maria Caeca C. Petronio Dextero Pontifici Maximo, Praetori S. P. D.

Your messages never appeared in my mail, either.  Hmmm ...maybe Yahoo just ..doesn't like you? (smile)

Vale et valete bene!
CMC

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87502 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Re : [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Petronio Dextro quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> I am quite sure that I received all of these messages; perhaps there was a
> glitch in Yahoo. Maybe it doesn¹t like Latin...
>
> As I understand it, a forum is a sort of message board rather than the
> mailing lists we use; the Yahoo websites are backups for missing posts and
> such, though some prefer to read their messages onsite. I don¹t think that is
> what the newer citizens mean by a forum; that seems to be a completely
> different sort of thing which tends not to be able to send out messages,
> though possibly some can do so. This system works for those who do not have
> many such sites to visit or much they have to read, but I doubt it would be
> suitable for NR magistrates and senatores. Apparently Nova Britannia still
> has such a forum, a system separate from their Yahoo list.
>
> The message system on our course sites was strictly a forum some years
> ago; one had to read everything onsite. That lasted about one semester until
> the software developed the ability to send messages out, a function the
> students and I greatly appreciate.
>
> Concerning the content of the messages in question, I am wondering why the
> consules and several other magistrates are mentioned, but the censores
> aren¹t...have we been bad (or is that just in the opinion of Philippos
> Helios)? ;-) Don¹t we deserve nice prayers? :-(((
>
> Vale pancraticé!
>
>
>
>
> C. Petronius L. Sullae salutem,
>  
> You wrote: "The perfect solution would be one that utilizes both functions. 
> Then the
> user decides what is best for them.  I know personally I would prefer
> email.  But others perfer a forum setting."
>  
> Emails sometime do not appear, while the posts are posted in the forums. For
> example, I sent my message on the Kalends of March on 3 fora. Nova Roma (main
> list), Collegium pontificum and religio Romana.
>  
> The posts are visible on the fora:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/87435
>  
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collegium_pontificum_nr/message/509
>  
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ReligioRomana/message/14190
>  
> But none of them are in my Yahoo mail box.
>  
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Arcoiali scribebat a. d. V Nonas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cons.
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87503 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Re : [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
A. Liburnius Mariae Caecae, C. Petronio salutem
 
Yahoo limits the amount of traffic coming to/from each individual poster if a running average is exceeded and no message can exceed 64KB.
 
I learned of this limitation last month when I had to break the Senate session report in four parts, spread over two days.
My initial  postings simply disappeared when my limits were exceeded.  
 
Somehow, you may have been occupying too much bandwidth 8-)
 
Valete optime
From: Jean-François Arnoud <jfarnoud94@...>
To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 11:10 PM
Subject: Re : [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum


 
C. Petronius Mariae Caecae salutem,
 
I do not believe that Yahoo is able to like or not to like someone, I think that it is a not reliable.
 
Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat a. d V kalendas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.

________________________________
De : C. Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>
À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Samedi 3 mars 2012 6h52
Objet : Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum

C. Maria Caeca C. Petronio Dextero Pontifici Maximo, Praetori S. P. D.

Your messages never appeared in my mail, either.  Hmmm ...maybe Yahoo just ..doesn't like you? (smile)

Vale et valete bene!
CMC

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87504 From: Jean-François Arnoud Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re : [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Forum
C. Petronius Tulliae Scholasticae salutem,
 
I think that we must make clear the words we use. Before using the Latin word "Forum" which seems used by moderns for such different things as newsgroups, mailing lists, message board...
 
The groups are visible on a server.
It seems that some call those groups also lists.
Yahoogroups are on a server and you must join the group/list to read it. The member may (or not) receive the messages posted on those groups in his Yahoo mailbox. That is not obligatory, it is just a choice suggested in the membership status. In the case you do not want to receive messages posted in the groups into your Yahoo mail in order to avoid to have your mail box full of messages, you just join the group and you read the messages on the server. But the Yahoo threads (called topics) are not very easy to read. This is not always the case. Some threads are easier to read when they are formed as newsgroups in Microsoft outlook. Outlook makes the difference between "news" and "mails" and "news" in newsgroups under Microsoft setting are very easy to read. Yahoo is less easy because it does not make the difference between a new and a mail. All "news" and "mails" are coming into the Yahoo mailbox.
 
Mailing list, for me is a list of people linked by their own email addresses. For that the list does no need a server. You may have individuals with addresses from whatever domains... you receive emails of the mailing lists in which you are unscribed.
 
A message board, I do not know what is it.
 
But it seems that we may call of those systems with the Latin word Forum...
 
Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat a. d. V Nonas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87505 From: Radakia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Aedile's opening remarks
Salve et salvete,

Very moving and beautiful speech. I am inspired to work harder towards
the ideals that unite us.

Thank you.

Vale

T. Valeria Celeris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87506 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Certamen Historicum - Day 2
M. Pompeius Caninus omnibus in foro S. P. D.


Citizens and friends, come join the history quiz! See the questions for Day 2 listed below:


Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 2 - 02 March 2765


3. Which
citizen of Nova Roma served the shortest time ever officially as a provincial
governor?
 
4. By a law of
the Comitia Tributa Sextus Peducaeus had the investigation of what religious
portent taken out of the hands of the pontifices?


Rules of the Certamen Historicum
1. Do not post answers to the mailing lists and do not post answers by simply hitting the Reply button.
2. Submit your answers to m.pompeius@... with the subject heading 'Certamen Historicum'.
3. Each correct answer is worth 1 point. An extra point may be awarded for an especially detailed and excellent answer.
4. New questions will be posted at about 01:00 Rome Time (1:00 AM Central European Time / GMT +1) each day of the Ludi Novi Romani.
5. Entries may be submitted at any time before 23:59 Rome Time (11:59 PM Central European Time / GMT +1) on 7 March 2765.
6. The current standings will be posted each evening so you may find the best practice is to send in your answers each day for the current day's questions to ensure your standings are updated on this page.
7. A list of the top ten contestants, including the winner, will be posted on this page no later than 12 March 2765.
8. Any questions, concerns or requests should be addressed to m.pompeius@... no later than 15 March 2765.
9. My decision is final in interpreting what is and what is not a correct answer.

Optime valete!

 
M. Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis
Vivat Nova Roma!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87507 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 3
M. Pompeius Caninus omnibus in foro S. P. D.

Citizens and friends, come join the history quiz! There is no daily deadline for entries. You may submit answers to any and all questions until the close of the Ludi Novi Romani on 07 March 2765. The questions for Day 3 are shown below:




Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 3 - 03 March 2765


5. How
many citizens of gens Iulius were assidui at the end of 2764?
 
6. Who was the
governor of Britannia in 51 AD?


Rules of the Certamen Historicum
1. Do not post answers to the mailing lists and do not post answers by simply hitting the Reply button.
2. Submit your answers to m.pompeius@... with the subject heading 'Certamen Historicum'.
3. Each correct answer is worth 1 point. An extra point may be awarded for an especially detailed and excellent answer.
4. New questions will be posted at about 01:00 Rome Time (1:00 AM Central European Time / GMT +1) each day of the Ludi Novi Romani.
5. Entries may be submitted at any time before 23:59 Rome Time (11:59 PM Central European Time / GMT +1) on 7 March 2765.
6. The current standings will be posted each evening so you may find the best practice is to send in your answers each day for the current day's questions to ensure your standings are updated on this page.
7. A list of the top ten contestants, including the winner, will be posted on this page no later than 12 March 2765.
8. Any questions, concerns or requests should be addressed to m.pompeius@... no later than 15 March 2765.
9. My decision is final in interpreting what is and what is not a correct answer.

Optime valete!

  

M. Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis
Vivat Nova Roma!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87508 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 The Parade Candida Dies 3
Salvete omnes. Hello listeners.

Welcome to Nova Roma News Radio, broadcasting to you from the eternal city.

Today is day three of the Ludi Novi Romani, and our program covers today's parade. Our reporter, Caeso Tarquinius Scipio, is on the street in down-town Rome, and his microphone is picking up the hustle and bustle of crowds filling the air. You can hear the laughter of children, the giggles of matrons walking by, the deafening roars of the factions cheering.

Can you hear me, Scipio? I know that the streets have been blocked to make way for the "Nova Roma" parade, but it sounds like the crowds are out in force today. Since last year the Parades have taken new meaning. Come in, Scipio, tell us what you can see.

Yes, hello there folks, salvete omnes! I'm right in the heart of the crowd here. These parades have become the biggest thing in town. They've added a whole new flair to the Ludi, and I can tell you they would be sorely missed if they suddenly ceased to exist. The crowds have taken them to their hearts. These really are the people's games, the Ludi Novi Romani of the Nova Roman people.

But first, lets set the scene for today. Its Dies 3 of the Ludi Novi Romani, and the deity in tribute today is Minerva, goddess of wisdom.

Notes for new listeners: Although one would have to consider if it was a *wise* decision by Channel 4 Nova Roma news to have everyone's favorite reporter, Caeso Tarquinius Scipio covering the Parade, when in reality he has never covered a parade in his "illustrious" career.

There on Capitoline Street stands Scipio with his cameraman, the forever dependable Falconius. Scipio is shaking under his Toga, as he recalled what his boss told him. He was instructed to simply film, and dub the commentary in afterwards. But Scipio has his own ideas
about broadcasting. Falconius can film, but Scipio is the top reporter, and that means live commentary. Okay, back to Scipio.

And here it comes, folks, can you hear that? Its the sound of trumpets and horns blaring up the street, and the booming cannon and drums that signals the beginning of the Parade. And here they come, I can just see them coming into view, it looks like the usual troupe of dancers and flame throwers.

But what's this – this is new, they're all dressed in colours of chrome, gold, silver, and other precious metals, and they're wearing what look like "Mechanical" wings.

Oh, and this is amazing, ladies and gentlemen, I wish you were here to see this. With the dancers are men and women who look like giants,
towering at least ten feet up in the air. They seem to be walking on mechanical stilts. I've never seen anything like this in all my time in Rome. And listen to the cheers of the crowds - the stilt walkers are throwing out candies and coins and getting louder and louder cheers. Oh this is amazing. Oh the noise. Oh the excitement. Only Nova Roma can put on a show like this, and this is just the
start.

But what's this coming next. Its a complete change of mood. This really is incredible, ladies and gentlemen, after all that noise and fantastic costumes, following behind them comes the marching band consisting entirely of flute players. Each one is playing a different set of trills, yet all in perfect pitch. What a brilliant transformation as the crowd quietens down to listen to the skilled music. But I wish you could see the uniforms of the Marching Band,
all off white and bedecked with leaves of the Olive tree in intricate designs. What? – oh all right, Falconius, I know you're filming, but live commentary is what matters. The best pictures are in the minds of our listeners.

And here comes the first float and its gigantic. Its in the shape of what looks like a giant map. And not just an ordinary map, but a map listing all of the Provinciae within Nova Roma. Seated on the float are all the Governors looking regal and throwing out treats from their local provinces to the crowd. And look, just standing up and waving to the crowd is Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, garbed in his signature peace sign Toga. Well its great to see the Provinces
featured at the Ludi, these games are for all of Nova Roma, wherever in the world that might be.

And here comes the second float, just as spectacular as the first. There's a massive "scroll" of some sort, and sitting on it are all five Tribunes, waving exuberantly to the crowd. Keep back, Falconius, that's Vibia Aemilia Regilla who looks stunning.

Quick Falconius, get some shots of this one. Its the third float, and what a glorious sight it is, all lined with marbled pillars. This is carrying the members of the College of Pontiffs, and I can see L. Iulia Aquila and C. Petronius Dexter the Pontifex Maximus and one of the current Praetors. They're dressed in glorious robes of purple and gold, attended by two red haired children identical in appearance.

And now just look and listen to this. Oh what a surprise and delight, here comes a second marching band. This time its made up entirely of horn players. Trumpets, bugles, French horns, trombones,bassoons, cornets, clarinets, a few Sousaphones. Wow, that music really packs a punch, and just look at their uniforms, so smart in off white tunics with small silver gears and gadgets sewn on them to catch and reflect the light. Now that is eye catching!

And here comes the fourth and last float. What a sight to behold, all covered completely in flowers and all in white. That looks like some sort of bubble chariot, and inside is the Mistress of Ceremonies, C. Maria Caeca and on each side in cages there are two beautiful Snow Owls. She looks majestic and divine, well deserving the moment of her triumph. And with the Curule Aedile are her team, C. Marcius Crispus, C. Laelius Silvanus, M. Pompeius Caninus,and also Magistra and Senator A. Tullia Scholastica and A. Decia Scriptrix. All are
waving like mad things, and tossing garlands of flowers to the crowd. And yes, I can just see her, the little flower girl with the magic tray of flowers that never empties! Maria has specially asked her to join her on her own float.

Well folks, we're close to our final destination, the Circus Maximus, and I can hardly believe it, here comes a third marching band! This time entirely made up of percussion players, snare drums, timpani, and bass drums, along with xylophones, cymbals, chimes, and the occasional cowbell. Their uniforms are in the same off white color as before, but these have tassels and and legionnaire helmets making them stand out. Oh my, what an exciting rhythm those drums are
beating out.

Oh, and that's so clever, all the marching bands are now joining up. They've formed up, marching ahead of the Aedile's float to lead all the floats into the center of the Circus The arena's packed with people and the activities look well under way as barrels of local wines are rolled out, and more cannons are firing.

Now we're in the arena, and we can see above us in the VIP area the entire Senate is gathered in full force. The Senators are lined up behind Consul Cn. Iulius Caesar, and he's looking down at the activities below with a bemused but pleased expression. On the opposite side of the VIP area I can see the other Praetor, Aeternia, with her entourage and the remaining members of the Praetura
all decked in "Veneta" Blue. She's carrying a large bouquet of white Roses, - but wait, - she's motioned to a woman of exotic beauty and very long raven hair, and pointed to the Aedile. Like a flash the young woman takes the roses across to the Aedile, who steps center stage to make her speech, with the bouquet of white roses in hand.
Oh what a clever piece of stage-craft that was.

The microphone's turned on and the Aedile begins to speak. The crowd is just roaring like a pride of happy lions.

But wait a moment – its not a speech - the Aedile is giving us a riddle, in a strong and confident voice She's asking the crowd to guess its meaning. Here is comes:

"Ego sum principium mundi et finis saeclorum. Non sum Deus?"

And in English the riddle means:

I am the beginning of the world and the end of ages, but I am not god. What am I?

But, this time, an English translation will not help you one bit! Using the Latin words you can see, is the only way to get the answer!

And, because this is Nova Roma, everyone concentrated on the Latin words.

The Aedile smiles her cool smile, waves a finger and says, with a gleam in her eyes, "Can you guess my little secret?"

The crowds have all stood still, thinking what the answer might be. There are a few shouts of possible answers - "Fire". "Wind". "Silence". "Thunder". "Nothing".

Caeca laughs. "No, no, no, no, no. Look at the Latin words, just the words".

She signals to the crowd to turn round and look behind them. And there, picked out by torches against the sky, are the Latin words.

Gradually all the letters but one go out, and leave just one letter, the letter that starts the word Mundi, and that ends the word saeclorum.

The single letter:-

M

The crowd cheer and clap, whistle and whoop. The Aedile has just introduced the new concept of audience particpation into the parade! And has caught them all out with her riddle.

"Enjoy the Ludi!" shouts the Aedile.

And Caeso Tarquinius Scipio decides that's a "wrap."

Valete omnes
Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87509 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: a.d. V Non. Mar.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem V Nones Martias; haec dies comitialis est.

"He [Numa Pompilius] appointed two additional Flamens, one for Mars,
the other for Quirinus, and also chose virgins as priestesses to
Vesta. This order of priestesses came into existence originally in
Alba and was connected with the race of the founder. He assigned them
a public stipend that they might give their whole time to the temple,
and made their persons sacred and inviolable by a vow of chastity and
other religious sanctions. Similarly he chose twelve `Salii' for Mars
Gradivus, and assigned to them the distinctive dress of an embroidered
tunic and over it a brazen cuirass. They were instructed to march in
solemn procession through the City, carrying the twelve shields called
the 'Ancilia', and singing hymns accompanied by a solemn dance in
triple time." - Livy, History of Rome 1.20

Jupiter, make true the words of your pledge.'
As he [Numa Pompilius] spoke, the sun's full disc appeared,
And a loud crash came from the depths of the sky.
Three times the god thundered, and hurled his lightning,
From cloudless air, believe what I say, wonderful but true.
The sky began to split open at the zenith:
The crowd and its leader lifted their eyes.
Behold, a shield fell, trembling in the light breeze.
The sound of the crowd's shouting reached the stars.
The king first sacrificed a heifer that had never known
The yoke, then raised the gift from the ground,
And called it ancile, because it was cut away (recisum)
All round, and there wasn't a single angle to note.
Then, remembering the empire's fate was involved,
He thought of a very cunning idea.
He ordered many shields cut in the same shape,
In order to confuse the eyes of any traitor.
Mamurius carried out the task: whether he was superior
In his craft or his character it would be hard to say.
Gracious Numa said to him: `Ask a reward for your work,
You'll not ask in vain of one known for honesty.'
He'd already given the Salii, named from their leaping (saltus),
Weapons: and words to be sung to a certain tune." - Ovid, Fasti III

"The sixth division of his religious institutions was devoted to those
the Romans call Salii, whom Numa himself appointed out of the
patricians, choosing twelve young men of the most graceful appearance.
These are the Salii whose holy things are deposited on the Palatine
hill and who are themselves called the (Salii) Palatini; for the
(Salii) Agonales, by some called the Salii Collini, the repository of
whose holy things is on the Quirinal Hill, were appointed after Numa's
time by King Hostilius, in pursuance of a vow he had made in the war
against the Sabines. All these Salii are a kind of dancers and singers
of hymns in praise of the gods of war. Their festival falls about the
time of the Panathenaea, in the month which they call March, and is
celebrated at the public expense for many days, during which they
proceed through the city with their dances to the Forum and to the
Capitol and to many other places both private and public. They wear
embroidered tunics girt about with wide girdles of bronze, and over
these are fastened, with brooches, robes striped with scarlet and
bordered with purple, which they call trabeae; this garment is
peculiar to the Romans and a mark of the greatest honour. On their
heads they wear apices, as they are called, that is, high caps
contracted into the shape of a cone, which the Greeks call kyrbasiai.
They have each of them a sword hanging at their girdle and in their
right hand they hold a spear or a staff or something else of the sort,
and on their left arm a Thracian buckler,which resembles a
lozenge-shaped shield with its sides drawn in, such as those are said
to carry who among the Greeks perform the sacred rites of the Curetes.
And, in my opinion at least, the Salii, if the word be translated into
Greek, are Curetes, whom, because they are kouroi or "young men," we
call by that name from their age, whereas the Romans call them Salii
from their lively motions. For to leap and skip is by them called
salire; and for the same reason they call all other dancers
saltatores, deriving their name from the Salii, because their dancing
also is attended by much leaping and capering. Whether I have been
well advised or not in giving them this appellation, anyone who
pleases may gather from their actions. For they execute their
movements in arms, keeping time to a flute, sometimes all together,
sometimes by turns, and while dancing sing certain traditional hymns.
But this dance and exercise performed by armed men and the noise they
make by striking their bucklers with their daggers, if we may base any
conjectures on the ancient accounts, was originated by the Curetes." -
Dionysius of Halicarnassus, 2.70

The festival of Mars was celebrated by the Salii on the 1st of March
and for several successive days; on which occasion they were
accustomed to go through the city in their official dress carrying the
ancilia in their left hands or suspended from their shoulders, and at
the same time singing and dancing. In the dance they struck the
shields with rods or weapons so as to keep time with their voices and
with the movements of the dance.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87510 From: James V Hooper Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Test
Loud and clear Dexter
C. Pompeius Marcellus


On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 05:05:26 +0100
"C.Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
> Test.
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> Envoyé depuis mon Sony Ericsson LT18
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87511 From: C.Petronius Dexter Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Test
It was my first post sent from my phone.




Missa ex meo Sony Ericsson LT18

James V Hooper <warrior44_us@...> a écrit :

>Loud and clear Dexter
>C. Pompeius Marcellus
>
>
>On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 05:05:26 +0100
> "C.Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>> Test.
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>> Envoyé depuis mon Sony Ericsson LT18
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87512 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Certamen Mythologicum (Dies /Day 3)
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Today is day three of the Mythology Quiz, each question is worth 3
points. Please submit all answers to the following e-mail address
Musesdream@... subject header/"Mythology Quiz"..

***Special Note*** Please do not reply with answers on the Main List,
please submit them through private response only! See the questions below.

Bonam Fortunam (Good Luck) to all the participants!

Valete Optime,
Aeternia

* *

*Dies 3: (Minerva)*

1. Name Minerva�s possible mother?

2. True or false. The alder branch is sacred to Minerva?

3. Which artist painted the painting �Minerva & The Centaur �circa
1482?

--
"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87513 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Curule aedile and quaestors
Cn. Iulius Caesar consul sal.

We have one curule aedile position vacant and eight quaestor positions vacant. I am trying to gauge if anyone is interested in standing for election for them. If you are interested, please write to me at gn_iulius_caesar AT yahoo.com.

Optime vale

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87514 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: PRAETORIAL EDICTUM 65-05: CPD StCVIA : Appointment of additional Pra
Sta. Cornelia Valeriana Iuliana Aeternia Praetor Omnibusque S.P.D.

Ex Officio Praetoris Novae Romae:

*PRAETORIAL EDICTUM 65-05: CPD StCVIA *: Appointment of additional
Praetoris Scriba

We the Praetors of Nova Roma, Gaius Petronius Dexter and Statia Cornelia
Valeriana
Iuliana Aeternia hereby appoint the following citizen as our Scriba, with
all the obligations and privileges prescribed by the laws of Nova Roma.

C. Aemilius Crassus

No oath shall be required.

This edict takes effect immediately.

Given by my hand 3rd day of March 2765 a.u.c. in the Consulship of
Cn. Iulius Caesar and G. Tullius Valerianus coss.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87515 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Triclinium Chat (Dies/Day 3)
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Posted below is today's Triclinium Chat, please enjoy the selection.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia


* Wisdom's Luminous Moonbeam*



It was the first hour of dusk and one could still see the rays of the
setting sun. The horizon was beautiful, and Alethia did not want it to
end. Her ship �Ignis Stellae(Star Fire)� was coming in to port, and her
attendants would be waiting to escort her. It had become a normal
standard for Alethia to arrive in New Rome to attend the Ludi, and usually
she was excited to attend the games, to visit who are now considered old
friends, stop by the Taverna, make new business deals. This time she
could not shake off the feeling that an extra worry she was now carrying
came along with her. And she was right for this time Alethia had come not
alone.



While the ship known as �Ignis Stellae (Star Fire)� made port, Alethia
made haste to finally de-board the ship. Looking back over her shoulder
constantly, she had to make sure that her fellow cloaked companion stayed
behind her at all costs. Alethia decided to head towards The Eagle, her
favorite place basically in all of New Rome. It had been nothing but the
topic of conversation that her fellow companion talked about. But then her
companion talked quite a bit, and as they were transported by litter to
their destination, Alethia was again painfully reminded how much the youth
can truly gab.

* *

*<<<<<<One hour later>>>>>>>>>*



There it was standing proud, the marble so polished it shone like glass. The
Eagle, the most popular Taverna in all of Nova Roma, it was just opening
up for the Night-Shift so it wouldn�t be crowded, Alethia knew the
schedule by heart so she could afford to have perfect timing. And perfect
timing Indeed for she would be surprised by tonight�s events. As Alethia
and her mysterious companion entered the Taverna, the warmth of the fire
and the smell of fresh baked bread, gave her an odd comfort. It also
steered her brain for the upcoming introductions.



�Alethia!!� Boomed Vinius , the Innkeeper, who grabbed Alethia and gave her
a big bear hug eyeing her cloaked companion.


�Vinius!!� Replied Alethia just as enthusiastic.



�You missed the Opening Day of the Ludi, where were you?� asked Vinius.


�I was in Mykonos, had to pick someone up.� Spoke Alethia a little
nervously.


Without another word between the two individuals, the cloaked figure lifted
her hood. A young woman whose long hair was so blonde it was platinum
white, it appeared silver under candlelight, waves upon waves of it. Vinius
couldn�t stop looking at the two women who next to each other, same color
eyes of the blueish hue , same sun-kissed skin, except where Alethia was
more buxom in figure, the other was slightly thinner more lithe, like a
flower still growing, and well of course the hair, for Alethia�s hair was
like spun gold. �Silver & Gold� thought Vinius, he knew somehow the two
women must be related.



�I see you have brought a true Julia to the Taverna, Alethia� said Vinius
very amused.



The young girl gave a whimsical laughter, and it came off like the peal of
soft bells.



�No, she hasn�t , Alethia and I come from the same Gens. Don�t we
sister?� said the young girl.



�Yes, that is correct. Vinius I would like to introduce to you my younger
sister Kyra.� Alethia replied sighing deeply.


Kyra and Vinius then performed an odd exchange of hand shaking and curtseys.



�Mykonos, you say isn�t that Greece?� asked Vinius



�Our family spends six months out of the year there, Alethia hasn�t told
you?� asked Kyra .



� There have been many things Alethia has not told me�. Vinius said
smugly.



Alethia, merely coughed and said nothing , and she was sure Kyra would
explode any moment and reveal all sort of things. She did not want
Vinius to know, make that she did not want

**anyone** to know. She has to think quickly and act natural at the same
time. No easy feat to pull off, alas Alethia has always been rather
resourceful.



�Vinius, my sister wishes to perform. Is there a spot for her on tonight�s
schedule?� Alethia asked rather bluntly.



�Well there is a time slot right now before Blossom & Ivy. answered Vinius
who eyed the roster.



�We�ll take it.� Alethia spoke without hesitation.



�But Soror I have not had time to prepare.� Whined Kyra.



�Now Kyra, you know how artists work. They *improvise*�. replied her
sister and shooed her sibling towards the stage.



Daintily Kyra removed her cloak, and approached the Stage, she looked like
a wild nymph draped in her Olive green stola. Poised and confident she
approached the microphone.



�This is a poem, I composed based upon the myth of Minerva and the weaver
Arachne.�



Vinius did a good thing and roused the other performers and those who came
in to be an audience for Kyra. And what should�ve been a one note
performance, Kyra made it into a song. It was beyond anything Alethia
thought her little sister was capable of.



This is my web,

I weave with utter care,

The thoughts of mankind,

Their hopes, and their despair,

Their sorrow, their joy, become

Drops upon the web, I was once

Human, I was once fair,

But in ignorance I did something,

No mortal would dare, And the price

I paid in transformation of face,

My body disfigured, even my descendants,

Shall carry my curse, my bane, my plague,

Forever to weave,

Forever to watch the dreams,

The dreams of humans,

In a world I no longer share.



The crowd applauded wildly, and Kyra squealed in delight and basked in all
the praise. Alethia watched smiling and relieved that her sister�s
performance went beyond well. As Vinius joined her, handing her a flagon
of Falnernian, he only said one thing.



�It must run in the family.� Said Vinius.



Alethia merely nodded and continued to watch her moonbeam glow.



~Finis~


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87516 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani, devotional to Minerva
Devotional to Minerva



Daughter of mighty Iupiter, your gifts,

Bounteous and infinitely precious

Are eternal in their beneficence



Wisdom, that we may use thought,

Reason, that we may perceive and judge,

Strategy, that we may plan, in peace and war,

Skill, that we may make those things of use and beauty

Learning, that we may lift ourselves from ignorance.



Your swift sword cuts through illusion

And sweeps away the detritus of ignorance.

Your discernment lets us find the truth, the

True and constant value in any controversy

Because of you, we are able to ask

The questions that most need answers

Because of you, we can take the measure

Of those answers and gauge their worth.



You have given us skill

In all things of handwork,

You taught us the way of looms,

You showed us the grace of building,

These gifts brought with them comfort and ease.



These things, Lady, have you given us

And so, we return to you our endeavors,

Written and spoken, tales and histories;

And we, offer to you our honor and the gratitude

That can only come when the worth of gifts

Can be truly valued, and that, also, is your gift.



C. Maria Caeca

03/03/12


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87517 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Triclinium Chat (Dies/Day 3)
Salve, Aeternia!

Spectacular, as always! The Aedile suspects strongly that young Kyra will
steal every available heart (male, that is) in Nova Roma! Should I ...um
...assign her a contingent of escorts, so her big sister won't need to
worry? (grin) about anything except the escorts, of course.

Great job!

Vale et valete!
C. Maria Caeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87518 From: gaius_pompeius_marcellus Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Govenors Oath
I Gaius Pompeius Marcellus ( James V. Hooper), solemly do swear to protect and defend the constitution of Nova Roma, and to rule the province of America Medioccidentalis Superior according to said constitution, so help me Gods and Goddess's

Gaius Pompeius Marcellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87519 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Govenors Oath
C. Maria C. Pompei Marcello S. P. D.

Congratulations, Governor, and may your Provincia prosper under your stewardship!

Vale quam optime!
C. Maria Caeca
Sacerdos Vestae

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87520 From: gaius_pompeius_marcellus Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Govenors Oath
I, Gaius Pompeius Marcellus (James V. Hooper),do solemly swear to protect and defend the constitution of Nova Roma, and to rule the province of America Boreoccientalis according to said constitution, so help me Gods and Goddess's.
Gaius Pompeius Marcellus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87521 From: petronius_dexter Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Curule aedile and quaestors
C. Petronius Cn. Caesari omnibusque Quiritibus salutem,

>>> We have one curule aedile position vacant and eight quaestor positions vacant. I am trying to gauge if anyone is interested in standing for election for them. If you are interested, please write to me at gn_iulius_caesar AT yahoo.com. <<<

Sp. Porcius Gemma is not yet quaestor? The consul Valerianus has him as his quaestor according to the mail I send to him in order to know if you first and Valerianus secondly need Sp. Porcius Gemma as quaestor or not. I do not see his resignation if he resigned and I thought that he was the quaestor of the consul of Valerianus.

My fellow citizens, Nova Roma is not only a place in which we may discuss on the Forum it is also a community and a place in which we may serve the republic.

For the tasks of aedilis curulis see the link:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Aedilis_Curulis_(Nova_Roma)

For the tasks of quaestor see the link:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Quaestor_(Nova_Roma)

As praetor I need one quaestor so that he works with me and learn, if he is new citizen, the mysteries of the Nova Roman politics. Quaestorhip is the first step for your cursus honorum, please, run for this position. Gods of Nova Roma also need an aedilis curulis more.

Give your name to be candidate!

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. IV Nonas Martias Cn. Caesare C. Tullio coss.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87522 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Curule aedile and quaestors
Cn. Caesar C. Petronio sal

Ah, yes you are quite correct – we have seven vacancies for quaestors. I have added his name to the Wiki list of magistrates.

Optime vale


From: petronius_dexter
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 6:55 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Curule aedile and quaestors


C. Petronius Cn. Caesari omnibusque Quiritibus salutem,

>>> We have one curule aedile position vacant and eight quaestor positions vacant. I am trying to gauge if anyone is interested in standing for election for them. If you are interested, please write to me at gn_iulius_caesar AT yahoo.com. <<<

Sp. Porcius Gemma is not yet quaestor? The consul Valerianus has him as his quaestor according to the mail I send to him in order to know if you first and Valerianus secondly need Sp. Porcius Gemma as quaestor or not. I do not see his resignation if he resigned and I thought that he was the quaestor of the consul of Valerianus.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87523 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani, devotional to Minerva
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C.Mariae Caecae sal!

Another wonderful and exquisite devotional, truly you have the Golden Quill.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM, C. Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Devotional to Minerva
>
> Daughter of mighty Iupiter, your gifts,
>
> Bounteous and infinitely precious
>
> Are eternal in their beneficence
>
> Wisdom, that we may use thought,
>
> Reason, that we may perceive and judge,
>
> Strategy, that we may plan, in peace and war,
>
> Skill, that we may make those things of use and beauty
>
> Learning, that we may lift ourselves from ignorance.
>
> Your swift sword cuts through illusion
>
> And sweeps away the detritus of ignorance.
>
> Your discernment lets us find the truth, the
>
> True and constant value in any controversy
>
> Because of you, we are able to ask
>
> The questions that most need answers
>
> Because of you, we can take the measure
>
> Of those answers and gauge their worth.
>
> You have given us skill
>
> In all things of handwork,
>
> You taught us the way of looms,
>
> You showed us the grace of building,
>
> These gifts brought with them comfort and ease.
>
> These things, Lady, have you given us
>
> And so, we return to you our endeavors,
>
> Written and spoken, tales and histories;
>
> And we, offer to you our honor and the gratitude
>
> That can only come when the worth of gifts
>
> Can be truly valued, and that, also, is your gift.
>
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> 03/03/12
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87524 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani, devotional to Minerva
Caeca Aeterniae sal!

Again, you are most kind, Praetrix, and I think you.

Vale bene!
CMC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87525 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765- Triclinium Chat (Dies/Day 3)
Salve, Caeca!

LOL! Indeed! I am glad you enjoyed this Triclinium Session..And hopefully
others are enjoying the chats as well =).

Kudos to the writers!

Vale quam Optime,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87526 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-03
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 The Parade Candida Dies 3
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C. Marcio Crispo Omnibusque S.P.D.

This was simply great, and enjoyed reading it immensely, presentation was
excellent, nicely done Crispe!

Vale Optime,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87527 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Oath of Office
Citizens of Nova Roma,
I hope that you are enjoying the games! I am very happy to be nominated as governor of Brasilia and Argentina provinces and now I will take my oaths!
Listen to my oath as governor of the Brasilia province:
"I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla/Denise Diniz do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma. 

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla/Denise Diniz swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla/Denise Diniz swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla/Denise Diniz swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla/Denise Diniz further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Provincial Governor of Brasilia to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Provincial Governor of Brasilia and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto."
Now listen to my oath as governor of the Argentina province:
"I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla/Denise Diniz do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma. 

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla/Denise Diniz swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla/Denise Diniz swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla/Denise Diniz swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Vibia Aemilia Regilla/Denise Diniz further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Provincial Governor of Argentina to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Provincial Governor of Argentina and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto."
Thanks for listening and have fun with the games!
 
--
V.A. Regilla
Tribuna Plebis


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87528 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Oath of Office
Salve Regilla!

Congratulations, and may your Provincia prosper under your stewardship.

Vale bene!
C. Maria Caeca
Sacerdos Vestae

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87529 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 The Parade Candida Dies 3
Salve Aeternia, et omnes

Well, thank you again for your words. I'm so glad you liked it.

It must be hard to see your ideas coming out of another mouth. but it was a good combination.

Vale, et valete omnes
Crispus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...> wrote:
>
> Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C. Marcio Crispo Omnibusque S.P.D.
>
> This was simply great, and enjoyed reading it immensely, presentation was
> excellent, nicely done Crispe!
>
> Vale Optime,
> Aeternia
>
>
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>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87530 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Certamen Historicum - Days 1 through 4
M. Pompeius Caninus omnibus in foro S. P. D.


Citizens and friends, come join the history quiz! There is no daily deadline for entries. You may submit answers to any and all questions until the close of the Ludi Novi Romani on 07 March 2765. 

Enter now! Send your answers to m.pompeius@... today!

The questions for Day 1 through Day 4 are shown below:


Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 1 - 01 March
1. What is the highest office on the cursus honorum?
2. In which direction would you travel from Roma if you wanted to arrive in Tomis?


Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 2 - 02 March
3. Which citizen of Nova Roma served the shortest time ever officially as a provincial governor?
4. By a law of the Comitia Tributa Sextus Peducaeus had the investigation of what religious portent taken out of the hands of the pontifices?


Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 3 - 03 March
5. How many citizens of gens Iulius were assidui at the end of 2764?
6. Who was the governor of Britannia in 51 AD?


Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 4 - 04 March
7. The citizens of Nova Roma are members of urban and rural tribes. How does a member of a rural tribe become a member of an urban tribe?
8. In which direction would you travel from Roma if you wanted to arrive in Olbia?


Current Certamen Historicum LeadersPoints
Vibia Aemilia Regilla4
Servius Marius Paullus3
Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus2


Rules of the Certamen Historicum
1. Do not post answers to the mailing lists and do not post answers by simply hitting the Reply button.
2. Submit your answers to m.pompeius@... with the subject heading 'Certamen Historicum'.
3. Each correct answer is worth 1 point. An extra point may be awarded for an especially detailed and excellent answer.
4. New questions will be posted at about 01:00 Rome Time (1:00 AM Central European Time / GMT +1) each day of the Ludi Novi Romani.
5. Entries may be submitted at any time before 23:59 Rome Time (11:59 PM Central European Time / GMT +1) on 7 March 2765.
6. The current standings will be posted each evening so you may find the best practice is to send in your answers each day for the current day's questions to ensure your standings are updated on this page.
7. A list of the top ten contestants, including the winner, will be posted on this page no later than 12 March 2765.
8. Any questions, concerns or requests should be addressed to m.pompeius@... no later than 15 March 2765.
9. My decision is final in interpreting what is and what is not a correct answer.

Optime valete!

 
M. Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis
Vivat Nova Roma!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87531 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Oath of office
Salvete omnes

As required by the relevant legislation of Nova Roma I hereby make the following two oaths.

1. Oath of office as Governor of Britannia.

I, Gaius Marcius Crispus (Robert William Johnson), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honour of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Marcius Crispus (Robert William Johnson), swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Marcius Crispus (Robert William Johnson), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Marcius Crispus (Robert William Johnson), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Marcius Crispus (Robert William Johnson), further swear to fulfil the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Governor of the Province of Britannia to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favour, do I
accept the position of Governor of the Province of Britannia and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant
thereto.

2. Oath of office as Governor of Hibernia.

I, Gaius Marcius Crispus (Robert William Johnson), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honour of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Marcius Crispus (Robert William Johnson), swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Marcius Crispus (Robert William Johnson), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Marcius Crispus (Robert William Johnson), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Marcius Crispus (Robert William Johnson), further swear to fulfil the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Governor of the Province of Hibernia to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favour, do I
accept the position of Governor of the Province of Hibernia and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant
thereto.

Given this Fourth day of March 2012.

Valete omnes
C Marcius Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87532 From: James V Hooper Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Govenors Oath
I (James V. Hooper) Gaius Pompeius Marcellus, do hearby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best intersts of the
people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I (James V. Hooper) Gaius Pompeius Marcellus,
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, (James V. Hooper) Gaius Pompeius Marcellus, swear to upholdand defend the
Religio Romana as the State Reliion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a
way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I (James V. Hooper) Gaius Pompeius Marcellus, swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, (James V. Hooper) Gaius Pompeius Marcellus,further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Legatus Pro praetore, to the
best of my abilities.

On my honor as a citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Legatus pro rpaetore, and all the rights, privaleges, obligations,
and responsibilities attendant thereto.

America Boreoccidentalis - Leatus preo praetore Gaius Pompeius Marcellus

America Medioccidentalis Superior - Legatus pro praetore Gaius Pompeius
Marcellus


On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 01:40:18 -0000
"gaius_pompeius_marcellus" <warrior44_us@...> wrote:
> I, Gaius Pompeius Marcellus (James V. Hooper),do solemly swear to protect
>and defend the constitution of Nova Roma, and to rule the province of America
>Boreoccientalis according to said constitution, so help me Gods and
>Goddess's.
> Gaius Pompeius Marcellus.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87533 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Oath of Office of Ti. Galerius Paulinus
I Ti. Galerius Paulinus ( Timothy P. Gallagher),
do hereby solemnly swear to

uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the

people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of
Nova Roma, I (Timothy P. Gallagher) Ti. Galerius Paulinus,

swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to

pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, (Timothy P.
Gallagher) Ti. Galerius Paulinus, swear to uphold and defend the

Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
never to act in a

way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I (Timothy P.
Gallagher) Ti. Galerius Paulinus, swear
to protect and defend the

Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, (Timothy P.
Gallagher) Ti. Galerius Paulinus, further swear to fulfill the

obligations and responsibilities of the office of Proconsul of both Mediatlantica and Lacus Magni provinces , to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a
citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and

Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the

position of Proconsul, and all the rights, privileges,
obligations,

and responsibilities attendant thereto. Done on the Hodi� a.d. IV Non. Mar. � Cn. Caesare C. Tullio cos



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87534 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: New Poem --An Ode to Venus
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

As I was commissioned by the Curule Aedile to write this piece, the angle
that I was trying to capture, were the elements of the "Birth of Venus"
with the solitary witness of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus.

Please enjoy the composition.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia


* The birth of a pearl


*By the rippling waves she came to me,

Rising out of the foam,

Under moonlit water,

A golden beacon against the dark sky,

As clouds stirred by my command,

Lightning bolts confirming her birth,

From the foam came a pearl made into flesh,

And that of bone,

The essence of love and beauty,

Captured within her heart,

By the shoreline,

I admire what the foam created,

The future Mother of the Roman people,

I look to the sea in approval,

In thanks to what the water gave me.


©2012 (2765) Sta. Cornelia Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87535 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765--Certamen Mythologicum (Dies /Day 4)
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Today is day four of the Mythology Quiz, each question is worth 3 points.
Please submit all answers to the following e-mail address
Musesdream@... subject header/"Mythology Quiz"..

***Special Note*** Please do not reply with answers on the Main List,
please submit them through private response only! See the questions below.

Bonam Fortunam (Good Luck) to all the participants!

Valete Optime,
Aeternia

*Dies 4: (Venus)*

1. True or False. Venus is not considered a member of the Dii
Consentes?

2. Which three minor deities attended Venus?

3. What weapon did Venus retrieve which was stuck in a tree during
his fight with the champion Turnus? (Bonus question)

4. Which month is sacred to the Venus?


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87536 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: FW: [Explorator] explorator 14.46
Salvete FYI Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus
To: explorator@yahoogroups.com; BRITARCH@...
From: rogueclassicist@...
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:49:17 -0500
Subject: [Explorator] explorator 14.46




























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explorator 14.46 March 4, 2012

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hours from the time of publication.



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and NEVER has attachments. Be suspicious of any Explorator which

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Thanks to Arthur Shippee, Dave Sowdon, Diana Wright, Donna Hurst,

Edward Rockstein, Rick Heli, Hernan Astudillo, Mitch Allen,

Patrick Swan, A. Landreau,Kurt Theis, Wendy van Duivenvoorde,

John McMahon, Barnea Selavan, Joseph Lauer, Mike Ruggeri, Richard Campbell,

Richard C. Griffiths, and Ross W. Sargent for headses upses this

week (as always hoping I have left no one out).

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EARLY HUMANS

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Interesting info from Oetzi's genome (interesting how different media

sources

stress different aspects of the same study):



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-genetic-analysis-reveals-otzi-iceman.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/29/iceman_genome/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17191398

http://news.yahoo.com/dna-data-helps-flesh-otzi-alpine-iceman-161516817.html

http://news.discovery.com/history/iceman-mummy-lyme-disease-120228.html



A hominin-human timeline sort of thing:



http://thevarsity.ca/2012/02/27/hominins-to-humans/



On the origins of blue eyes (not sure where to put this one):



http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/02/do-blue-eyes-stem-from-a-black-sea-resident-8000-years-ago/



Neanderthals were apparently using boats long before modern humans:



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-03-evidence-neanderthals-boats-modern-humans.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2108651/Neanderthals-beat-modern-humans-seas-50-000-years-say-scientists.html

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/231282/neanderthals-used-boats-much-modern.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328544.800



More on Neanderthals being on the verge of extinction before

humans arrived:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17179608

http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-european-neanderthals-verge-extinction-modern.html

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=224326

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AFRICA

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More on Nubian skeletons:



http://www.statenews.com/index.php/article/2012/02/nubian_skeletons_reveal_secrets_of_ancient_times

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ANCIENT NEAR EAST AND EGYPT

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Garbage dumping and archaeological looting at Abu Sir:



http://www.egyptindependent.com/node/681041



The Patio Tomb coverage:



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-tomb-exploration-reveals-archaeological-evidence.html

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-02/uonc-ter022712.php

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/28/10534008-doubts-about-the-jesus-discovery

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/naked-archaeologist-finds-signs-jerusalem-cave-was-used-to-bury-jesus-disciples-1.415231

http://www.heraldextra.com/lifestyles/faith-and-values/finding-a-new-image-professor-s-discovery-resurrects-debate-over/article_ee21c51e-63f7-11e1-bfce-0019bb2963f4.html

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/28/10521007-new-find-revives-jesus-tomb-flap

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/02/28/tomb-jonah-discovered-finder-lost-tomb-jesus-claims/

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2012/02/archeologists-peer-into-jesus-tomb-ossuary/1

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9111834/Christs-disciples-remains-discovered.html

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/investigators-may-discovered-earliest-evidence-christian-iconography-jerusalem-231736336.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2107591/Will-discovery-ancient-coffin-lead-resting-place-Jesus.html

http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-tomb-exploration-reveals-archaeological-evidence.html



... folks genuinely interested in this should read the various discussions

at the ASOR blog (there are

quite a few reactions in the blogosphere in general):



http://asorblog.org/



... if you want a classicist's perspective (i.e. mine):



http://rogueclassicism.com/2012/02/29/the-patio-tomb-evidence-of-early-christianity-i-hae-me-doots-a-classics-perspective/



James Tabor's article on same is up at Bible and Interpretation:



http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/tab368028.shtml



cf the original (especially the 'fish'):



http://www.bobcargill.com/Docs/Tabor2_ORIGINAL_VERSION.pdf



... but we should note that recently some of the photos have been

changed (hmmm):



Recent finds from Tel Megiddo:



https://sites.google.com/site/megiddoexpedition/additional-information/area_h_hoard



A Phoenician fortress from Cyprus:



http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Culture/Arts/Jun/24/Remains-of-Phoenician-fortress-uncovered-in-Cyprus.ashx



Finds from Horbat Midras:



http://www.sci-news.com/archaeology/article00200.html



Gospel of Mark fragments:



http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnfarrell/2012/02/27/fragments-of-marks-gospel-may-date-to-1st-century/

http://global.christianpost.com/news/bible-scholars-skeptical-of-1st-century-gospel-fragment-discovery-70231/



Feature on that mummy of Nehemes-Bastet:



http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/culture/Mummy_discovery_reveals_ancient_secrets_.html?cid=32194158



Latest on Temple Mount:



http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/153152



More on the solar boat:



http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2012/1086/eg72.htm

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/35047/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/JapaneseEgyptian-team-starts-restoring-King-Khufus.aspx



Egyptology News Blog:



http://egyptology.blogspot.com/



Egyptology Blog:



http://www.egyptologyblog.co.uk/



Dr Leen Ritmeyer's Blog:



http://blog.ritmeyer.com/



Paleojudaica:



http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/



Persepolis Fortification Archives:



http://persepolistablets.blogspot.com/

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ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME (AND CLASSICS)

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Plenty of coverage of Greek reburial of sites due to lack of funds:



http://greece.greekreporter.com/2012/03/02/greek-antiquities-reburied-for-lack-of-funds/

http://www.france24.com/en/20120302-greek-antiquities-reburied-lack-funds

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gy3GQeW3LPeIZEzU1rebXmnrRByg?docId=CNG.fe1245d46ab71882e956e375ece52394.561

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Greek+antiquities+reburied+lack+funds+report/6240554/story.html



Water works near Kirkton have revealed assorted Roman remains:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-17237825



A very nice gilt bronze Greek helmet from Haifa Bay:



http://world.greekreporter.com/2012/03/02/mysterious-ancient-greek-bronze-helmet-found-in-haifa-bay/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46574945/ns/technology_and_science-science/

http://news.discovery.com/history/ancient-greek-helmet-120229.html

http://news.yahoo.com/found-ancient-warriors-helmet-owner-unknown-141401836.html

http://www.livescience.com/18700-ancient-helmet-greek-warrior.html



Feature on Alepotrypa Cave:



http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/vergano/story/2012-02-25/Alepotrypa-Cave-Hades/53237894/1



Traces of paint on the Medici Venus:



http://news.discovery.com/history/medici-venus-120203.html



That 'Julius Caesar' bust found at Arles is going on display at the Louvre:



http://www.theartnewspaper.com/whatson/event/Arles:-the-Excavations-in-Rhone/1122243



Baylor's Latin Day:



http://baylorlariat.com/2012/03/02/roman-resurrection-classics-become-cool/



Latin is 'lingering' in Rochester:



http://www.campustimes.org/2012/03/01/latin-lingers-on/



Nice feature on chariot racing:



http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/03/blue-versus-green-rocking-the-byzantine-empire/



The Classics Confidential people were chatting with Edith Hall:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_q7hClO1-A&feature=uploademail



There was an Ovid Marathon reading at St Olaf:



http://www.stolaf.edu/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=NewsDetails&id=5253



What Donald McGuire is up to:



http://www.ubspectrum.com/life/mcguire-scoots-to-recovery-1.2797172#.T1NlOHnN2uI



Feature about Heron of Alexandria:



http://jalopnik.com/5888188/the-greeks-had-the-technology-to-build-a-car-in-60-ad



Interesting Julius Caesar page:



http://www.biography.com/people/julius-caesar-9192504



Roman advice for political candidates (semi-reviewish?):



http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2012/03/ancient_roman_advice_for_the_2012_candidates_.html



Review(ish) of the Swerve:



http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/02/27/loss-and-recovery-stephen-greenblatt%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cthe-swerve%E2%80%9D/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/02/26/f-vp-handler-swerve.html



Latest reviews from BMCR:



http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/recent.html



Visit our blog:



http://rogueclassicism.com/

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EUROPE AND THE UK (+ Ireland)

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The refurbishment of Roch Castle is complete:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-17238208



... as is Kinver Rock House:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-17208140



The public is helping to dig at Flag Fen:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17211285



A Charles II 'wanted' poster fetched an okay price at auction:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-17244677



Thomas Hobbes appears to have had a cunning plan in regards

to the English Civil War:



http://www.livescience.com/18648-thomas-hobbes-letter-england-civil-war.html



There's a new railway archive online in the UK:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/28/railway-archive-engineering-giants



Archaeology in Europe Blog:



http://archaeology-in-europe.blogspot.com/



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ASIA AND THE SOUTH PACIFIC

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Feature on those Jewish manuscripts found in Afghanistan (not sure if

there's

anything new here):



http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/92443/war-papers/



Arguing over a Khmer statue saved from auction in New York:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/arts/design/sothebys-caught-in-dispute-over-prized-cambodian-statue.html



East Asian Archaeology:



http://eastasiablog.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/east-asian-archaeology-cultural-heritage-%E2%80%93-2052010/



Southeast Asian Archaeology Newsblog:



http://www.southeastasianarchaeology.com/



New Zealand Archaeology eNews:



http://www.nzarchaeology.org/netsubnews.htm

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NORTH AMERICA

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Solutrean discovery of America (definitely have to watch this one):



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-european-style-stone-tools-age.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-evidence-suggests-stone-age-hunters-from-europe-discovered-america-7447152.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/radical-theory-of-first-americans-places-stone-age-europeans-in-delmarva-20000-years-ago/2012/02/28/gIQA4mriiR_print.html



Very semi-related ... fwiw and mixed in with some Elmer material:



http://borderzine.com/2012/03/did-europeans-settle-in-the-arizona-desert-thousands-of-years-before-columbus-sailed-to-america/



Feature on Jefferson's slaves at Poplar Forest:



http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2012/feb/26/slavery-research-poplar-forest-shows-contradiction-ar-1713406/



On ancient American pilgrimage centres:



http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/science/2012/03/04/study-pilgrimage-a-costly-signal.html

http://ohio-archaeology.blogspot.com/2012/03/ancient-american-pilgrimage-communitas.html



The site of the Battle of Medina may have been found:



http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Battle-of-Medina-site-found-geologist-says-3374995.php



Humans in Ohio were scavenging/hunting earlier that previously thought:



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-03-reveals-evidence-prehistoric-ohioans.html

http://news.yahoo.com/research-reveals-first-evidence-hunting-prehistoric-ohioans-162015355.html



Haven't had a facial reconstruction in a while ... this time, its sailors

from the Monitor:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/faces-of-civil-war-sailors-from-sunken-uss-monitor-reconstructed-in-hopes-of-identifying-them/2012/03/03/gIQAAldxoR_story.html



What Whitney Battle-Baptiste is up to:



http://www.truth-out.org/archaeologist-author-black-feminist-unearths-contributions-african-diaspora-everyday-people/13304412

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CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA

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The tomb of Atahualpa has possibly been found:



http://www.news24.com/SciTech/News/Clue-to-Inca-emperor-tomb-found-20120229

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/ecuador/9112505/Ecuador-locates-final-resting-place-of-last-Inca-emperors-tomb.html



Women were important in pre-colonial Maya society:



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-03-women-central-pre-colonial-maya-society.html

http://ucrtoday.ucr.edu/3632



A 16th century shipwreck off Brazil:



http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/lifestyle/2012/03/01/sixteenth-century-shipwreck-discovered-by-brazil-team/



Interesting photo from Chichen Itza which, of course, is being given all

sorts of spins:



http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/03/02/mayan-light-beam-photo-message-from-gods-or-iphone-glitch/



Mike Ruggeri's Ancient Americas Breaking News:



http://web.mac.com/michaelruggeri



Ancient MesoAmerica News:



http://ancient-mesoamerica-news-updates.blogspot.com/

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OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST

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Audio news from Archaeologica:



http://www.archaeologychannel.org/content/MP3/audnews26feb12.mp3



The Herschel family papers are now available for research purposes:



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-newly-science-materials.html



Some Spain v Odyssey marine aftermath:



http://www.scotsman.com/news/international/sunken_treasure_washed_up_in_spain_1_2141830

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/9108879/Spain-rejects-Peruvian-claim-to-shipwreck-treasure.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/spain-rejects-peruvian-claim-to-shipwreck-treasure/2012/02/27/gIQAFFcfdR_story.html



and:



http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=24195



Video report on the Vatican's 'other' Secret Archives:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_VJOqjL0pU&feature=uploademail



On climate change as seen through Arabic manuscripts:



http://dmmsclick.wiley.com/view.asp?m=7wc8369beu2zmtjdtss7&u=18736418&f=h

http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-ancient-arabic-scientists-piece-climate.html

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/27/ancient-iraqi-meteorologists-speak-to-the-present-on-climate/

http://in.news.yahoo.com/ancient-arabic-writings-help-scientists-reconstruct-past-climate-060306808.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120226225956.htm

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-02/w-aaw022312.php



An interesting application of 3d printing technology:



http://mashable.com/2012/02/24/smithsonian-uses-3d-printing/



Foot bones can be used to identify the sex of skeletons:



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-foot-bones-sex-skeletal.html



Some coverage of the American Digger thing:



http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/03/archaeologists-protest-glamorizan.html



One of the nuttiest claims I've seen in ages:



http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/northland/dargaville-districts/6497943/Greeks-got-here-first



... and coming a close second are claims that that Bible in Turkey we

mentioned last week includes mention

that Jesus foretold the coming of Mohammed:



http://www.albawaba.com/editorchoice/jesus-foresaw-prophet-mohammads-arrival-hidden-ancient-bible-414563

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105714/Secret-14million-Bible-Jesus-predicts-coming-Prophet-Muhammad-unearthed-Turkey.html



... and stories of Victoria's 'secret daughter' is probably in the same

category:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2106204/Victorias-secret-According-tantalising-new-evidence-Queen-Victoria-married-Scottish-groom-bore-secret-daughter-spirited-America.html



http://www.ancientdigger.com/

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TOURISTY THINGS

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Assorted 'guided walks':



http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2012/feb/27/readers-travel-tips-guided-walks

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BLOGS

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About.com Archaeology:



http://archaeology.about.com/



Archaeology Briefs:



http://archaeologybriefs.blogspot.com/



Taygete Atlantis excavations blogs aggregator:



http://planet.atlantides.org/taygete/



Time Machine:



http://heatherpringle.wordpress.com/

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CRIME BEAT

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Thieves stole St Laurence O'Toole's heart from Dublin's

Christ Church Cathedral:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17248394

http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Saint-s-ancient-heart-stolen-from-Dublin-cathedral-3380594.php



Another antiquities bust in Thessaloniki:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17248637

http://www.nbc29.com/story/17071944/35-arrested-in-greece-with-stolen-antiquities

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n272372

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/03/03/4308655/35-arrested-in-greece-with-stolen.html



A pair of British tourists were arrested on suspicion of smuggling artifacts

from Egypt, but it turned to they were imitations:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9110760/British-tourists-arrested-for-smuggling-artefacts-out-of-Egypt.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/british-couple-released-as-priceless-artifacts-they-were-smuggling-out-of-egypt-turn-out-to-be-cheap-market-fakes-7447085.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120226/ml-egypt-antiquities/

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ioxhVKqn60e1M6AsvY9cDTzBPwDQ?docId=CNG.f93648e502555ea3e976efe113d96c98.9c1



On the scope of antiquities theft in Israel:



http://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-antiquity-thefts-per-year-in-israel/



More on those thieves who were using the Copper Scroll as a treasure map:



http://www.antiquities.org.il/article_Item_ido.asp?sec_id=25&subj_id=240&id=1901&module_id=#as

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-antiquities-officials-apprehend-thieves-in-ancient-cave/



Looting Matters:



http://lootingmatters.blogspot.com/



Illicit Cultural Property:



http://illicit-cultural-property.blogspot.com/



Safe Corner:



http://safecorner.savingantiquities.org/

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NUMISMATICA

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Today's issue of the e-Sylum:



http://www.coinbooks.org/club_nbs_esylum_v15n10.htmlA



Some Syracusan dekadrachms are coming to auction:



http://www.coinweek.com/news/auctions-news/morton-eden-announce-sale-of-four-iconic-greek-coins-dating-from-the-5th-century-bc/



... as is the Shoshana collection of ancient Judean coins:



http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=53917

http://coins.ha.com/common/auction/catalog.php?SaleNo=3003&ic=leftcol-shoshana-althome4-021412

http://www.ha.com/c/press-release.zx?releaseId=2166



Ancient Coin Collecting:



http://ancientcoincollecting.blogspot.com/



Ancient Coins:



http://classicalcoins.blogspot.com/



Coin Week:



http://www.coinweek.com/

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EXHIBITIONS, AUCTIONS, AND MUSEUM-RELATED

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Lux in Arcana:



http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=54002

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/9111168/Vatican-Secret-Archives-reveal-abdication-letter-of-hermaphrodite-Swedish-queen.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWn1otXr_Ks&feature=uploademail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIg9ydN87Zo&feature=uploademail



Aphrodite and the Gods of Love:



http://www.monstersandcritics.com/arts/news/article_1693392.php/Aphrodite-and-the-Gods-of-Love-open-March-28-at-The-Getty-Villa



A Day in Pompeii:



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-pompeian-life-vesuvius-wrath.html



Becoming the Volunteer State:



http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/26d64f853a7e431a96cc6369644c7a74/TN--Museum-War-of-1812/



Genghis Khan:



http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120226/entlife/702269993/



Titian's Diana and Callisto will remain in the UK:



http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/British-galleries-buy-Renaissance-masterpiece-3373131.php



The Andhra Pradesh Archeological Museum is set to reopen:



http://ibnlive.in.com/news/ap-archaeological-museum-to-reopen-soon/233975-62-131.html



Check out our Twitter hashtage for more ancient exhibition reviews:



http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23classicalexhibit

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PERFORMANCES AND THEATRE-RELATED

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Check out our Twitter hashtag for Ancient Drama reviews:



http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23ancientdrama



... and for Sword and Sandal flicks:



http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23swordandsandal

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PODCASTS

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The Book and the Spade:



http://www.radioscribe.com/bknspade.htm



Stone Pages Archaeology News:



http://news.stonepages.com/



Archaeologica Audio News:



http://www.archaeologychannel.org/AudioNews.asp



Naked Archaeology Podcast:



http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/archaeology/

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87537 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Oath of Office
Cn. Iulius Caesar sal

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of governor of Canada Citerior to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of governor of Canada Citerior and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87538 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: New Poem --An Ode to Venus
This is gorgeous, thank you!

C.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87539 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Pictures to ML
Salvete Praetors Could the Praetors give consideration to allowing non text items to be posted in the forum. Each post currently has this on the bottom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] This indicates that picture are not allowed. I believe this setting can be changed. I wouldask that we change to allow appropriate pictures on the forum. If it proves not to be a good thing the setting can be set back to text only. Thanks you for considering this request. Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87540 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE NOVA ROMAN ANNUAL TAX FOR 2765 A.U.C.
Cn Iulius Caesar consul sal.

Please find details of the annual tax rates for the year 2765 .A.U.C. (2012).

Optime valete

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SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE NOVA ROMAN ANNUAL TAX FOR 2765 A.U.C.

I. The Senate establishes the following as the annual tax for 2765 A.U.C.
Class 1 rate - $42.00
Class 2 rate - $34.00
Class 3 rate - $25.00
Class 4 rate - $17.00
Class 5 rate - $ 9.00

II. The following centuries shall fall into the following classes, using the percentages specified at section III of the Lex Octavia altera de comitiis centuriatis as a guide.
Class 1 rate – Centuries 1 to 15
Class 2 rate – Centuries 16 to 27
Class 3 rate – Centuries 28 to 37
Class 4 rate – Centuries 38 to 45
Class 5 rate – Centuries 46 to 50

III. All taxes for 2765 A.U.C. must be remitted by PayPal:

A. In respect of IX.A all transaction fees charged by PayPal must be calculated into the payment sent to Nova Roma, so for example if the tax a citizen has to pay is $10.00 USD and the PayPal transaction fee is 50 cents, then the citizen must remit $10.50 USD.

B. If an amount of money less than the exact amount of tax due is deposited in the Nova Roman PayPal account, then the citizen who remitted it, or the citizen on whose behalf it was remitted, shall not have paid the full amount of tax due and shall not be classified as one of the assidui until the full amount due is remitted and received in the Nova Roman PayPal account.

C. The PayPal account which the annual tax must be remitted to will be specified by the CFO.

D. The other details required on the PayPal transaction will be specified by the CFO.

IV. The annual tax for 2765 A.U.C. is due and payable in full by May 31st of 2765 A.U.C. The amount a citizen has to pay is equal to the amount specified at X.A for the class he/she is in. For example if a citizen is in century 22, and century 22 is specified as in class II then the tax due and payable by the citizen is equal to that for class II.

V. If a citizen fails to pay in full the annual tax due and payable for 2765 A.U.C. by May 31st of 2765 A.U.C. then between June 1st and September 30th of 2765 A.U.C. he/she shall pay the amount due and payable as at XIV, less any partial payments already made, plus the amount specified at X.A for class I.

VI. If a citizen fails to pay in full the annual tax due and payable for 2765 A.U.C. by September 30th of 2765 A.U.C. then between October 1st and October 31st of of 2765 A.U.C. he/she shall pay the amount due and payable as at XIV, less any partial payments already made, plus double the amount specified at X.A for class I.

VII. No payments of the annual tax will be accepted from November 1st to December 31st of 2765 A.U.C. All arrears of the annual tax due and payable for a particular year, plus any arrears on previous tax periods, will carry over into tax period for of 2766 A.U.C. and remain due and payable, in addition to the annual tax due for 2766 A.U.C.

VIII. Payment arrangements of the annual tax due and payable for 2765 A.U.C. and/or arrears owing from previous tax periods are at the discretion of the CFO and must be negotiated on an individual case-by-case basis.

IX. The following Senatus consulta are repealed:

A. Senatvs Consvlta Q. Fabius' Tax proposal for the citizens of Nova Roma.
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2000-11-09-vii.html
B. Senatvs Consvlta Taxation
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2001-07-18-viii.html
C. Senatvs Consvltvm - Modification to Senatus Consultum on Taxation
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2002-01-05-v.html
D. ITEM IV. Annual Membership Fee Rate Adjustment
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2002-11-09-results.html

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87541 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Pictures to ML
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Praetor Ti. Galerio Paulino S.P.D.

I am forwarding the post to the Praetura list, so that my colleague and
myself can discuss the matter further.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87542 From: Timothy or Stephen Gallagher Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Pictures to ML
Salvete Thanks Vale Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: syrenslullaby@...
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:46:36 -0700
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Pictures to ML




























Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Praetor Ti. Galerio Paulino S.P.D.



I am forwarding the post to the Praetura list, so that my colleague and

myself can discuss the matter further.



Vale Optime,

Aeternia



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87543 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: New Poem --An Ode to Venus
Aeternia Caecae sal!

Gratias tibi ago! Thank you!

Vale quam Optime,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87544 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: CONSULAR EDICT : THE PROCESS FOR CONVERTING CAPITE CENSI CITZENS TO
Cn. Iulius Caesar consul sal

EX OFFICIO

CONSULAR EDICT CnIC 65-02 : THE PROCESS FOR CONVERTING CAPITE CENSI CITZENS TO ASSIDUI CITIZENS

I. If a citizen who is classed as capite censi wishes to pay the annual tax for 2765 A.U.C., the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) of Nova Roma shall examine the assidui centuries to determine which ones citizens with similar amounts of century points have been placed in by the censors.

II. The CFO having determined, by the means at I above, the likely range of centuries that the citizen wishing to pay the annual tax may be placed in, shall select the class applicable, as per the SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE NOVA ROMAN ANNUAL TAX FOR 2765 A.U.C, for the highest numbered century in that range.

III. The annual tax due and payable by the citizen wishing to pay the annual tax shall be the amount set by the SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE NOVA ROMAN ANNUAL TAX FOR 2765 A.U.C.for that class applicable at II.

IV. Any arrears of tax outstanding from any year(s) prior to 2765 A.U.C. remain due and payable at the annual tax rate set for each such year, plus any penalties due and owing for late payment.

Optime valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87545 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: a.d. IV Non. Mar.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD


Hodiernus dies est ante diem IV Nones Martias; haec dies comitialis est.

"Lord Dionysos, hear! We thank You for
this gift of wine, now mixed as You have taught,
and pray its potent force will always be
of benefit to us, both now and evermore." - Hyginus, Poetica
Astronomica II.4

In ancient Greece, today was the beginning of the Anthesteria, one of
the four Athenian festivals in honour of Dionysus, held annually for
three days (11th-13th) in the month of Anthesterion (the
February/March full moon). At the center of the festival was the
celebration of the maturing of the wine stored at the previous
vintage, and the beginning of spring. The festival was likely
celebrated for more than two millennia, from before 1500 BC to after
AD 500.

During the feast, social order was interrupted or inverted, the slaves
being allowed to participate, uniting the household in ancient
fashion. The Anthesteria also have aspects of a festival of the dead
who freely roamed the city, comparable to the Roman Feast of the
Lemures, the expulsion of ancestral ghosts: comparable to All Souls'
Night and carnival. Either the Keres or the Carians were entertained,
and expelled from the city after the festival, symbolizing either the
souls of the dead or the aboriginal inhabitants of Attica. A Greek
proverb, employed of those who pestered for continued favours, ran
"Out of doors, Keres! It is no longer Anthesteria".

On the first day, called Pithoigia (opening of the casks), libations
were offered from the newly opened casks to the god of wine, all the
household, including servants and slaves, joining in the festivities.
The rooms and the drinking vessels in them were adorned with spring
flowers, as were also the children over three years of age.

The second day, named Choes (feast of beakers), was a time of
merrymaking. The people dressed themselves gaily, some in the disguise
of the mythical personages in the suite of Dionysus, and paid a round
of visits to their acquaintances. Drinking clubs met to organize
drink-off matches, the winner being he who drained his cup most
rapidly. Others poured libations on the tombs of deceased relatives.
On the part of the state this day was the occasion of a peculiarly
solemn and secret ceremony in one of the sanctuaries of Dionysus in
the Lenaeum, which for the rest of the year was closed. The basilissa
(or basilinna), wife of the archon basileus for the duration, went
through a ceremony of marriage to the wine god, in which she was
assisted by fourteen Athenian matrons, called geraerae, chosen by the
basileus and sworn to secrecy. The days on which the Pithoigia and
Choes were celebrated were both regarded as unlucky and defiled,
necessitating expiatory libations; on them the souls of the dead came
up from the underworld and walked abroad; according to Photius, people
chewed leaves of buckthorn and besmeared their doors with tar to
protect themselves from evil. But at least in private circles the
festive character of the ceremonies predominated.

The third day was named Chytroi (feast of pots), a festival of the
dead. Cooked pulse was offered to Hermes Chthonios, Hermes in his
capacity of a god of the lower world, and to the souls of the dead,
who were then bidden to depart. None of the Olympians were included
and no one tasted the pottage, which was food of the dead. Although no
performances were allowed at the theatre, a sort of rehearsal took
place, at which the players for the ensuing dramatic festival were
selected.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87546 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Oath of Office - Praefectus Italiae Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
CN. CORNELIUS LENTULUS PRAEFECTUS ITALIAE QUIRITIBUS S. P. D.

Avete et salvete, Novi Romani Qurites, praesertim Italici!

It is an immense honor to accept this responsibility as a non-Italian; personally I think it shoud have never happened. But someone had to stand up and do what Italia Nova Romana needs. And I will do everything to restore the former glory of this most important territorial entity of Nova Roma. My main objective is to assemble a leading team of new (and old) Italian citizens so that I can give my office as soon as possible to an Italian citizen of Nova Roma, leaving Italia in a better condition, possibly again as a vibrant community of Italian Nova Romans.

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E' un immenso onore di accettare questa responsabilità come un non-italiano; personalmente credo che sarebbe meglio se questa situazione non avrebbe mai accaduto. Pero' qualcuno doveva alzarsi e fare ciò che è necessario per Italia Nova Romana. Eppure io farò di tutto per ripristinare l'antico splendore di questo ente territoriale più importante di Nova Roma. Il mio obiettivo principale è quello di mettere in piedi un gruppo di leader nuovi (e vecchi) dei cittadini italiani in modo che io possia dare il mio ufficio il più presto possibile ad un cittadino italiano di Italia Nova Romana, lasciandola in una condizione migliore, forse di nuovo come una comunità vibrante di italiani novi romani.


VIVAT ITALIA NOVA ROMANA!

My oath:

- LATIN VERSION:

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus (Attila Gonda), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, officio Praefecti Italiae Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, officiis muneris Praefecti Italiae me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Praefecti Italiae una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO

- ITALIAN VERSION:

Io, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus (Attila Gonda), GIURO solennemente di sostenere l'onore di Nova Roma e di agire sempre nell'interesse del popolo e del Senato di Nova Roma.

Io, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, nell'atto di accettare la carica di Praefectus Italiae, GIURO di onorare gli Dei e le Dee di Roma nelle mie attività pubbliche, e di perseguire le virtù romane nella mia vita pubblica e privata.

Io, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, GIURO di sostenere e difendere la Religio Romana come Religione di Stato di Nova Roma e giuro di non agire mai in alcun modo che possa essere di detrimento alla sua condizione di Religione di Stato.

Io, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, GIURO di proteggere e difendere la Costituzione di Nova Roma.

Io, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, GIURO altresì di adempiere al meglio agli obblighi ed alle responsabilità della carica di Praefectus Italiae.

Sul mio onore come Cittadino di Nova Roma, ed alla presenza degli Dei e delle Dee del popolo romano e per loro volere e favore, ACCETTO la posizione di Praefectus Italiae e tutti i diritti, i privilegi, gli obblighi e le responsabilità ad essa afferenti.

- HUNGARIAN VERSION:

Én, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus (Attila Gonda), ezennel ünnepélyesen ESKÜSZÖM,hogy Nova Roma becsületét megvédelmezem, és mindenkor a szenátus és Nova Roma népének érdekében cselekszem.

Én, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, elfogadván hivatalomat ESKÜSZÖM, hogy Róma isteneit és istennõit minden közéleti tevékenységem során tisztelettel fogom illetni, és követni fogom a római erényeket mind a magán, mind a közösségi életben.

Én, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, ESKÜSZÖM, hogy a Római Vallást óvni és védelmezni fogom, és nyílvánosan sohasem foglalok el vele ellentétes álláspontot, hogy kárt ne szenvedjen.

Én, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, ESKÜSZÖM továbbá, hogy a Praefectus Italiae hivatallal járó feladataimat a lehetõ legjobb képességeim szerint látom el.

Én, nova római polgárjogomnál fogva a római nép istenei és istennõi elõtt és azok akarata és tetszése szerint a Praefectus Italiae hivatalt a velejáró összes joggal, kiváltsággal, kötelezettséggel és feladattal együtt ELFOGADOM.

- ENGLISH VERSION:

I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus (Attila Gonda) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praefectus Italiae to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Praefectus Italiae and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, pontifex
PRAEFECTUS ITALIAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87547 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Oath of Office - Legatus Pro Praetore Venediae Cn. Cornelius Lentulu
CN. CORNELIUS LENTULUS LEGATUS PRO PRAETORE PROVINCIAE VENEDIAE QUIRITIBUS S. P. D.

Avete et salvete, Novi Romani Qurites, praesertim civen Venediae!


This a great honor to accept the office governor of Venedia, vacant for so many years, as a Hungarian.

„Polak, Węgier, dwa bratanki, i do szabli, i do szklanki.”

"Lengyel, magyar, két jóbarát, együtt harcol s issza borát."

("Pole, Hungarian, two brothers, both in the saber, and a in the glass.")

- as the saying has it both among Hungarians and Poles.

The two peoples share a brotherly sentiment since a long while. I hope in Nova Roma, with my activities for Venedia, I will be able to strengthen this brotherly feeling. I hope I will be able to assemble together a leading team of Polish Nova Romans. My objective is to pass the governorship to a Polish citizen, as soon as possible, when I have succeded to establish a solid ground for future Venedian development.

Venedia has never been really established in Nova Roma. It's time to change that and I beleive I can do this.


VIVAT VENEDIA NOVA ROMANA!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Legatus pro praetore
Provinciae Venediae


OATH OF OFFICE OF LEGATUS PRO PRAETORE VENEDIAE CN. CORNELIUS LENTULUS

[Note: I really wanted to swear the oath also in Polish, but there was no translation.]

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus (Attila Gonda), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, officio Legati Pro Praetore Provinciae Venediae Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, officiis muneris Legati Pro Praetore Provinciae Venediae me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Legati Pro Praetore Provinciae Venediae una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO

- HUNGARIAN VERSION

Én, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus (Attila Gonda), ezennel ünnepélyesen ESKÜSZÖM, hogy Nova Roma becsületét megvédelmezem, és mindenkor a szenátus és Nova Roma népének érdekében cselekszem.

Én, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, elfogadván hivatalomat ESKÜSZÖM, hogy Róma isteneit és istennõit minden közéleti tevékenységem során tisztelettel fogom illetni, és követni fogom a római erényeket mind a magán, mind a közösségi életben.

Én, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, ESKÜSZÖM, hogy a Római Vallást óvni és védelmezni fogom, és nyílvánosan sohasem foglalok el vele ellentétes álláspontot, hogy kárt ne szenvedjen.

Én, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, ESKÜSZÖM továbbá, hogy a Venedia Provinciát kormányzó Legatus Pro Praetore hivatalával járó feladataimat a lehetõ legjobb képességeim szerint látom el.

Én, nova római polgárjogomnál fogva a római nép istenei és istennõi elõtt és azok akarata és tetszése szerint a Venedia Provinciát kormányzó Legatus Pro Praetore hivatalt a velejáró összes joggal, kiváltsággal, kötelezettséggel és feladattal együtt ELFOGADOM.

-ENGLISH VERSION:

I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus (Attila Gonda) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Legatus Pro Praetore of Provincia Venedia to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Legatus Pro Praetore of Provincia Venedia and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


CN. CORNELIUS LENTULUS
LEGATUS PRO PRAETORE VENEDIAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87548 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI - Certamen Latinum #2 (Latin Quiz)
***Posting quiz answers to the mailing list is FORBIDDEN!***
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Cn. Lentulus scriba aedilis curulis C. Mariae Caecae: Quiritibus: S. P. D.


What is with you, Romans? Come on now, let's show to the world there is at least 10 of you who can do this Contest! :) Those who participate, I swear, will learn the full structure of Latin within 10 days! Is not it worth a try? Senators, priests? You MUST try it. Only T. Valeria Celeris, praetrix St. Cornelia Iuliana Valeriana Aeternia, aedilis P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus, tribuna plebis V. Aemilia Regilla and tribunus plebis A. Liburnius Hadrianus answered Question #1 - glory to these 5 ladies and gentlemen, saving Nova Roma from shame! :) And among the contestants: P. Annaeus Placidus! Winner of every Latin contest in the last year, the formidable Placidus :) - Who can beat him? Perhaps YOU - who think about participating...

It's ludi time, people! Let's celebrate and honor good old Mother Nova Roma with some playing and gaming! Follow the example of these five outstanding Romans above.

Now I *EXTEND* the deadline for the first set of questions, and at the bottom of this message you will find Question #1 after today's Question #2. You can find yesterday's question here:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum#March_3rd_-_Day_3_of_the_Ludi_Novi_Romani_.E2.80.93_Question_1_of_the_Certamen_Latinum

Ranking, pointing and grading the answers of those who are already participating will follow after publishing the next question. 

You get an additional 48 hours to answer them, and the deadline for Question # is now the same as for Question #2. You can send them together with today's question, to this address:

<cnaeus_cornelius@...>

And remember! Not only citizens can participate, but any visitor of Nova Roma!
And there is prize! A very nice prize, for the winner.

You can follow the Certamen Latin on our ludus webpage, too:
http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum



March 4th - Day 4 of the Ludi Novi Romani – Question 2 of the Certamen Latinum


I. INTRODUCTION 2 - Dictionary Forms of Verbs

Previously we discussed the dictionary form of the Latin nouns. We have learned that the dictionary forms of the nouns include the genitive (possessive) form of the noun, and its ending determines the entire inflection of the noun, the declension of the noun.

Today we study the dictionary forms of the verbs. How can we decide what conjugation (verb inflection group) a verb belongs to?

In the case of the verb “have”, you will find:

habeo –ére, -bui, -bitum

This is 4 pieces of information:

(1) habeo; it is the first person singular of the verb “have”. It means “I have”.

(2) –ere; it’s an abbreviation of “habere”, the infinite of the verb. It means “to have”.

(3) –bui; it’s an abbreviation of “habui”, the perfect tense of the verb. It means “I have had” or “I had”.

(4) –bitum; abbreviation of “habitum”, it’s the supine (or the past participle).

This verb’s infinitive, “habére” (to have), indicated in the dictionary form as “–ére” shows that this verb belongs to the 2nd conjugations, as all verbs that have the infinitive ending “-ére” belong to the 2nd conjugation. The second dictionary element, the infinitive, determines which conjugation the verb belongs to. The four types of infinitive endings and the four conjugations determined by the different genitive endings are:

-are = 1st conjugation; e.g.: amo, -are, -avi, -atum (I love)

-ére = 2nd conjugation; e.g.: habeo, -ere, -bui, -bitum (I have)

-ere = 3rd conjugation; e.g.: dico, -ere, dixi, dictum (I say)

-ire = 4th conjugation; e.g.: audio, -ire, -ivi, -itum (I hear)

Note that “–ere”, which is short vowel, is different from “–ére”, which is long vowel.

You will find more information about the dictionary forms of verbs here, on our website: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Conjugation


II. QUESTION 2


Use the Latin dictionary that we used last time, or, if you have to use an online Latin dictionary, use this one:

http://books.google.com/books?id=k1ZFAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

Look into the dictionary and determine which conjugations the following 10 verbs belong to (10 x 1 pts).

Solve the abbreviations and spell out, write out the full forms of their infinitive form (10 x 0.5 pts) and their perfect tense form (10 x 0.5 pts), and their supine/past participle (10 x 0.5 pts).

deleo
creo
sentio
video
mitto
scio
rogo
cupio


III. AN EXAMPLE HOW TO DO IT:


ago;

- after looking into a dictionary, you will find its dictionary form is “ago, -ere, egi, actum”, so you will give the following data:

ago, 3rd conjugation (1pt); agere (0.5pt), egi (0.5pt), actum (0.5pt)

Comments: it’s 3rd conjugation because the infinitive (second dictionary form) “–ere” ending shows it. If it were “–ére” with long vowel “é”, it would have been 2nd conjugation.


IV. RULES OF THE CERTAMEN LATINUM


One question a day will be posted, participants must send their answers
not to this e-mail address but to <cnaeus_cornelius@...>
within 24 hours of posting. Please do *not* post answers to the list!

The correct answers of the previous day and interim results will be announced together with the posting of the next questions.


SEE TODAY'S QUESTION ON OUR WEBSITE:
http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87549 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language
A. Liburnius  L. Iuliae Aquilae salutem

(Taking a break from counting votes and catching up with over due tasks...)

Thanks for the compliment of including me as a latinist in the company  of real talented latinists such as Scholatica and Dexter. I am not a latinist, I simply love the language.

I had the fortune of starting my education when Latin was still considered an important didactic tool and a necessary complement to a fully rounded personality. During the next eight years I became familiar not only with the classic authors like Cicero, Caesar, Virgil,  etc, but  also with some of the later authors stretching all the way to modern times. 

I will share a "secret" with you, Latin has never been a dead language in Italy. There have always been groups of people who spoke Latin, not only as a hobby, but has a personal choice. 

Latin is  also still the official language  of the Vatican and all official communications are still released in Latin and later translated in the many languages spoken around the world.  This fact alone supports the need for Latin translators, teachers and Latinists  to allow the language to keep even with progress and with new  inventions and ideas. So Latin is also "modern" and still applicable to our times, our problems and our accomplishments.

One can well say that Latin is still alive. This is not different from what happened during the renaissance when philosophers, scientists and politicians were exchanging information voluntarily in Latin, or Dante betting on his Latin treatises, rather than his rhymes in vulgar, for fame and immortality.

Life took me away from that world, and as I said in a different posting, I have not used Latin in almost 50 years. Now I am slowly trying to get back into it.

I do not know if I have a personal style. On one hand everybody's language is different, individual and unique. On the other hand there are common  standards and rules that can be ignored only at the tisk of comprehension. So I try to drive between the lines without crossing them too often.

I do like, though, the clipped and terse writing of Ceasar [the real one, not the verbose one...8-) ]  Because of his deceiving simplicity Caesar was one of the first Latin authors I meet in my Latin classes.

Back to counting votes...

Vale optime
ALH


From: luciaiuliaaquila <luciaiuliaaquila@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 5:38 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latin online Resources/Course, FREE or low cost Re: Language


 
L. Iulia Aquila C. Petronio Dextero A. Tulliae Scholasticae A. Liburnio Hadriano omnibusque S.P.D

Ego vobis gratias! What is most interesting to me is that each Latinist corrections differ to some respect.
This in itself is a great learning tool - not just a mere correction but a discussion that not only reinforces the lesson but also assists in forming one's own style.
In my opinion the Latin of Petronius is strongly classical, Magistra while classical also has a modern American aspect and Hadrianus has a modern feel as well, reflected in the modern attitude.

More than "creating" sentences, the use - the meaning, esp. according to era, and word order is intriguing.
To think how a Roman of the Republic would form a sentence is very important if one wishes to eventually speak the Latin of that era.

Here in Nova Roma the posts often reflect elements of the Republic in their speech. Domina is used and I think most simply see it as a form of respectful address as it would be in the republic. I used it in what I thought would be the modern equivalent of Mrs. or Ms. because while not married now I was and have children. I am still not sure I agree with the reasoning behind not using Domina. Many of the strong vibrant and influential women I work with who are the ages of Magistra and myself see it as sign of respect to be invited to a event as "Mrs. John Smith" - it is antiquated but here in America it is not seen as disrespectful because the context of the custom is known. However the custom is slowly dying out.

CPD: Nasburgi (locative) incolo, in Tenesia (LIA"Habito Nasburgi, Tenesia" )
Incolo appears to mean the same as habito, both verbs meaning to inhabit or dwell in a place – so is my use of habito wrong or is the use of incolo another way of saying the same thing?

Novi Romani, I encourage you all to study Latin and practice from time on the ML, a sentence or two from time to time. In one video of a free online course the Magister tells the prospective student that it may takes approximately 10 or 11 years of study to become fluent – and I've heard similar from other Latinists as well.
So have heart, a bit of courage and post, expect dissection and a good lesson from the Latinists, this is their job "so just look at them and sigh and know they love you":)

Curate ut valeatis optime
Julia




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87550 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani: 1st quarter finals race report
1st quarter final race report



Ladies and Gentlemen.it's NR LIVE, from the Circus Maximus, this is Arionrhod .bringing you our play by play broadcast of our series of chariot races for the Ludi Romani 2765!As you may remember, I drive for Albata, as part of the team owned by our curule Aedile, but she can't enter chariots this year .so this is my part-time job. With me in the broadcast booth is my husband and fellow driver, Hermanus.



HER: Wow! Listen to them cheer me!



AR: They aren't cheering you, silly man, they are cheering the Aedile, who has just entered her box with her personal staff. But .aren't the stands beautiful! I have it on god authority that, to honor Venus, there are, literally millions of roses, decorating the circus, and the street leading up to it, in huge vases, baskets sitting on alls, *and* every woman or girl who entered for the races has been presented with a lovely bouquet!



HER:so ..where's yours?

AR: sitting right behind me, see? Right next to the basket of meat pies .and don't you dare eat them all! There are the Consuls and their families, and the Praetors .and the tribunes are just entering and taking their places, too. It's a little cool, and the races were started late because of some rain, but everything is ready to go!



HER: Here comes the parade of chariots! We have a very large field this year, which is really great! I just wish I was down there. But .1st is, for Veneta (see all those blue pompoms and banners!) this is Titus Quadratus in his chariot Victoria Astrum owned by Q. Iulius Nepo. I remember this driver from last year.he is extremely aggressive, and loves to use his whip.



AR: OOO .I could teach him some lessons in whip-craft .but that's OK, I'll get my chance, one of these days.



Her: also for Veneta is Rutilius, in his chariot Tanitrus. I remember him, too.he won last year, for one thing .and that red hair of his can be seen in Ultima Thule! The chariot owner is, of course,P. Porcius Licinus. Now, for Russata, here is the chariot Elmo,driven by Attila and owned by T. Popillia Leanas, also is our own Placidus, and he is driving his own chariot!



AR: You don' see *that* very often!

HER: Good thing for us, yes? But, the chariot is called Sirius Publius, and the last entry for Russata is Q. Hirtius, driving Flama, which is owned by A. Vitilius Celsus. He's a veteran too, I believe. Finally, for Albata, we have Aetius Canius, in his chariot Ignis Natus, owned, of course, by our esteemed Pontifex L. Julia Aquila, who is looking ravishing this fine day.



AR: Watch the horses, not the ladies, for all love!

Her: I am, of course, but she *dos*, as do all our lovely Nova Roman ladies. Oh .there is Aeternia, in her blue feather cloak! She says it brings her faction luck .we'll see.



AR: OK, the horses have circled the tack, and the Curule Aedile is being escorted to the podium by one of her staff, and .she drops the mappa. They're off! Quadratus is out of the gate, taking a quick lead, and Veneta is insane! Bu, coming up on his fast is Elmo, followed closely by Ignis Natus and Flamma, driven by Hirtius. The rest are bunched jus behind, but they straighten themselves out, and come into the 1st turn,and out,in the same order. Looks like Quadrata and Aetius Canius are having a .sharp discussion, and both whips threaten. Attila (I wonder if he's as fierce as his famous namesake) takes advantage to gain on Quadrata and take the lead, and in to the 2nd turn they go. Coming out, Rutilius in Tanitrus takes the lead .and keeps it, despite pressure from Placidus! Placidus is running perilously close to the wall, but he keeps control, Meanwhile, Attila and Canius are fighting neck and neck for a small lead, and here comes Quadrata! He slips between the 2 leading chariots, and has the lead going into the 3rd turn. Out they come, and Canius,Quadrata,Placidus and Rutilius are all bunched together in front. I don't think there is a horse's hair between them! Oh! Quadrata just went for Attila with his whip, and Attila avoided the blow, but his horse lost his stride just a little, so Quadrata pulls out in front, but here comes Rutillius to challenge, and into the 4th turn, and oh,no!



HER: Placidus took the curve just a little too close, there, and brushed the wall, but enough. He's lost a wheel, but Placidus doesn't jump free. He controls his hoses, keeping his chariot just barely balanced so it doesn't block the course. Race officials come running to help, and the chariot is unhooked and moved, while Placidus calms his horses and gets them to safety too.



AR: Oh, that good .he's waving to the crowd to show he's OK, and they are cheering him,loudly! See .this is why professional drivers are best .we know what .



HER: Stop,woman! Placidus is an excellent driver! He proved it when he got into trouble .but they are entering the 4th turn, and coming out with Quadrata in the lead, followed closely by .everybody else! What a match this field is! OK, now into the 5th turn, and Veneta's Rutilius explodes into the straightaway, with Elmo on his tail,and Canius coming up to challenge, and into the next turn.



AR: They are changing places by small margins, one leading then the next .and into the last turn! Attila and Q. Hirtius,ho has been saving his energy, are fighting for the advantage, and the stands are alive with red banners, as Rusatta's Flamma comes roaring out of the turn, gabs the lead, and keeps it, but Ignis Natus is challenging .challenging .but not quite .enough! They cross the finish line, with Q. Hirtius 1st, and Aetius Canius 2nd, so Russata and Albata are assured places in the semi finals!



Her: hat a great start to the races! I'd be willing to wager that this year's chariot races will be spectacular!



AR: Yes.but they'd be even better if we we were racing! There come the drivers to the winners circle, to receive their congratulations, and, after a short break, we will be back for the 2nd quarter final!




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87551 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765-- Triclinium Chat (Dies /Day 4)
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Posted below is today's Triclinium Chat, please enjoy the selection.

Vale Optime,
Aeternia



*The Secret Lair of Hearts *



The days of the Ludi, came and gone with the breeze, each day was
spectacular like a kaleidoscope of wonders some earthly, divine, and full
of mirth. This years� Curule Aedile had shone like a star, clad in her
Vestal-white robes. Despite the merriment and the excitement of this
morning�s ceremonies , the Aedile looked calmed and serene, although one
would say she did have a mysterious twinkle in her eyes.



Today being the first day of the races, it was crowded everywhere, the
Circus Maximus had tripled the normal size of occupancy. You couldn�t be
on Capitoline Street without being crushed by the stampede of woad covered
members of factio�s *Veneta * and *Russata*, madness all in good strive of
course, as if Discordia was having a playful recess. The fourth day of the
Ludi Novi Romani, was in honor of the goddess Venus the mother of Rome, it
seemed rather fitting that Chariot Races were being held on this special
day. Beautiful men and women, lashing out on each other in brutal chariot
combat, what Roman didn�t like that?



�The Festival of Hearts, who will be crowned the Rex (King) or Regina
(Queen) ?� At least that�s what the flyer said as Alethia crumpled it in
her hand. Although she was not sure why she allowed her younger most onry
sister Kyra, to convince no the word is connive her into attending such an
Event. What was it anyway? Word on the streets was it was poetry
contest, some say it was a new club, whatever it was Alethia allowed
herself to be talked into going. Perhaps would be a good thing to see what
would consider themselves against the Eagle entertainment wise, it never
hurt to check out the competition especially when such said competition
didn�t know who Alethia was.



So by litter they went, Alethia and the rambunctious always talkative Kyra,
it wasn�t that she was not fond of Kyra, it was the fact that she had
grown accustomed to being a loner. Rogues traveled to here and there, did
whatever they wanted, they simply do not have little sisters accompany
them. Allowing her thoughts drift to current matters of state, their
litter arrived at the address on the Flyer. As both the sisters quaintly
and most curiously exchanged glances with one another, while in front of
a Obsidian structured building. The words on the building *�Occulta Cordis�
*(*Secret Heart*) in neon lighted Red, hesitant to enter most especially
when the a smaller sign on the building said *�All ye enter, leave your
hearts here.�* Alethia was not sure footed as Kyra, as they entered to a
most decadent establishment.



The walls in garnet red, curtains in black silk brocade, giant pearls and
clams on display, tables made of ivory, crimson prism chandeliers , dancers
from the Asia Orientalis province in traditional costumes, made the most
exotic motif. The artwork definitely eye-catching and provocative, as Kyra
gawked and squealed in delight. Alethia could not share her siblings
enthusiasm, deep down inside she knew now, possibly this place could be
considered a �rival�. The question now, who ran this exotic
establishment? What made it even more mysterious everyone was wearing
black as if attending a funeral, twas a good thing that Aeternia requested
that both Alethia and Kyra wear black and blue today in support of Factio*
Veneta.*

* *

�Should be more like the �Funeral of Hearts instead�. Alethia had thought
to herself.



As the two ladies had taken their seats in a distant table far from seeing
eyes, Alethia began to survey the area and its� inhabitants. There were
familiar visages , the harpist Adastreia from Greece was part of the band
playing the String-Bass (guess it would be safe to assume she can play many
a stringed instrument), also there was a brief glimpse of Maximo the
singer whose well known Patron was Pontifex Iulia Aquila who was a
Sacredos of Venus, past him at the center table were some known Political
bodies in Nova Roma. Seated at the table was Consularis C. Equitius Cato,
Pontifex L. Iulia Aquila, Tribuna Plebis V. Regilla Aemilia, and Alethia�s
on occasion arch-nemesis (but usual friend) Sta. Cornelia Aeternia, all of
them garbed in black, seated in a row, and what appeared to be were score
cards in each of their hands. Apparently there was a contest going on, and
they were what one could guess are the lucky judges.



Due to arriving so late the two women had no choice but sit and watch the
events unfold and hope to catch onto the contests meaning. As the Emcee
came on the stage to announce the next contestant, the crowd roared,
Alethia could decipher part of the name �*La Sirene* (The Siren)�. While
the lights became dim into a more softer red, the curtains pulled back to
reveal stairs and a familiar figure walking down them. As the plucking of
the Bass began , the saxophones playing a bluesy-beat, and the drums
tapping a catchy rhythm. Decked in ivory white and shells was the one and
now semi-famous Aquata winner of Alexandria �Idol and leader singer of
�The Neptunia�s� managed by C. Equitius Cato himself. Pondering as to
why the Consularis would be judging his own prot�g� and if that was truly
fair judging. Alethia watched her sister bob her head to the music as
were Aeternia and Regilla at their table, so were many others inside the
club. Her voice like a Siren filled the room, transforming the club into
a soothing lagoon, Aquata performed in sing-song swaying to and fro.



As I met him down by the rolling waves,
While the dolphins splashed and played,
As my courted asked sweetly, "Will you meet me by the bay?"
And so I agreed, not knowing what troubles would lay,

'With locks of gold, and dimpled cheeks,
Made my heart skip many beats,
By the time I�ve reached the shore,
You were there no more,
Made a fool of myself,
As I knew I would,
These mortal men are no good,
Upon my sea bed,
I wept and I feel such dread,
Thinking how my heart had leapt,
Running out to the sea and join him,

His promise,
Abandoned by pure whim,
As my bitterness showers the oceans floor,
Made a fool of myself,

As I knew I would,
These mortal men are no good,
Never again will I be lured by eyes that sweet,
I shall leave it to the mortal women,

This tricky feat,

Of obtaining love,

And the costs that goes with it,

As I returned to the waters,

Where the territory is not

Unknown to thee,

For there are others who dwell in the sea.



The crowd wildly applauded, all in the club gave a standing ovation, the
shouts of the judges cheering in the background. Alethia smiled to herself
as even Kyra herself cheered on Aquata but not voraciously, so Aquata
decided to take on the theme of the �Spurned� as it were. As there was most
likely a �story� behind that performance no doubt. Which was all fine and
dandy but Alethia had not wanted to linger at this place any longer it
didn�t matter to her who would be crowned �The Heart Monarch�. As much as
it was posh, exotic, and unique, the mysteries of it could wait for another
day. This establishment lacked what the Eagle had and that was
atmosphere. There were no smells of the warm fire, no scents of fresh
baked bread, nor the booming laughter of Vinius. It wasn�t �home� and on
that note Alethia felt a surge of confidence that this new �rival� must
have been desperate to have invited some of the Eagles best talent. Yes
most desperate indeed while the two matrons headed to where home truly was.



*~~Finis~~*

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87552 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2012-03-04
Subject: Re: Pictures to ML
C. Petronius Dexter praetor Ti. Galerio Paulino censori salutem,

We took in consideration your request.

As we do not want to give the possibility of pic bombings without possibility to stop it before the sending of whatever be the nature of the pics neither to overload the mail boxes of the members of this list, we do not authorise the pics attachment for this forum, ML.

Nevertheless the list has a folder called "Photos" in which you may put your albums and photos. This folder is under the point of the Yahoo ToS :http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/utos-173.html

Then, we suggest you to use this folder with a link in your messages so that the one who are interested by your photos may watch them and those non interested does not follow the link.

Optime vale.

--
C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. III Nonas Martias MMDCCLXV


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Salvete Praetors Could the Praetors give consideration to allowing non text items to be posted in the forum. Each post currently has this on the bottom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] This indicates that picture are not allowed. I believe this setting can be changed. I wouldask that we change to allow appropriate pictures on the forum. If it proves not to be a good thing the setting can be set back to text only. Thanks you for considering this request. Valete Ti. Galerius Paulinus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87553 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Rmani: 2nd quarter final race report
Hello again, race fans! This is Arianrhod .and I hope you enjoyed the show between heats! Those Gypsy dancers are from Panonnia, and the lovely young lady doing the love songs so beautifully is Tatiana,winner of the Panonian Idol contest, this year. Oh .and I wish you could see the huge bouquet of flowers that were brought up to me! The card simply says "from an admirer" and my husband is .jealous!



HER: No I'm not! If he really knew you, he'd know better!

AR: I think it is time for *you* to describe the parade of chariots now, *isn't* it?

HER: Well, then, here they come. First comes Russata, and the crowd is throwing red roses, waving red banners, and shouting at the tops of their voices! The first chariot is driven by Viriathus for for C. Aemilius Crassus, and the chariots name is Ulpia Prima.

AR: didn't he just get an appointment?

HER: He did, indeed ..he joined the Praetura as a scribe. I thought it was really nice to see some Governors taking their oaths of office earlier today on the podium,too, and I've heard that the Curule Aedile is sponsoring a dinner for all the Governors after the races.

AR: Well, one thing for sure .they will eat well!

HER: now, also for Russata comes is the chariot Sophia Fodor, and our first lady charioteer for this Ludi, Dorothea. She is absolutely stunning, too!

AR: Ah, yes .but besides that, she is an excellent driver, and has won several races in her Provincia.

HER: I was going to say that! The chariot is owned by our Pontifex C. Cornelius Lentulus. Next comes Albata's one entry, This chariot is owned by L. Aelius Trio, driven by Sabiniano, and is called Volucris Fortuna. This is Trio's first Ludi entry, I think, but his driver certainly looks confident. Is he making eyes at Dorothea?

AR: I wouldn't suggest doing that .I've heard she knows how to use her whip, and that she isn't available.

HER: Hmm .define available .no, no, best not, and don't give me that look!

Now comes Veneta's 3 entries. First, we have Ballista, driven for our Pontifex Maximus C. Petronius Dexter by Q. Valens. We have 2 priests in 1 race! The gods will be watching this one for sure!

AR: The gods watch all the races, even when you are driving.

HER: yes, but when you drive, dear girl, they throw down sunbeams. Next, we have another entry from P. Porcius Licinus, Fulmen, driven by Mugitus. I remember him from last year .he can out-shut a legion!

AR (laughs). I know,you can hear him from here! And his language is most colorful, too!

HER:finally,we have another owner/driver, Marcus Pompeius Caninus, driving Potentia. This is his first time out,but I've seen him in practice, and he's good!

AR: Yes, but again ..

HER: Oh, come on, Love, there will always be jobs for us, (laughs). I like to see owners taking risks by driving. Makes them appreciate us more.



AR: OK,now they have made their round, and the Aedile rises, the mappa is dropped, and they're off!



First out of the blocks comes Caninus, followed closely by the other 5 drivers, all conserving their energy,so far, but,in the 1st turn,Mugitus makes a move, and gains a good position on the outside. Dorothea has moved up, too, and comes out first into the 2nd lap, followed closely by Mugitus and then Ulpia Prima, and Volucris Fortuna. They hold position,but Dorothea is crowding Caninus as they go into the 2nd turn, and oh, gods! Caninus has made his exit from the turn too quickly! His chariot swings and hits the wall! The rest of the field get by,but Dorothea was already out, and has a strong lead! The track officials come and help to untangle the horses and chariot. Caninus is limping, but it doesn't look as though he is badly hurt. He's looking at his chariot a little sadly,though .it will have to be rebuilt, I think. Now, Mugitus is coming up on Dorothea, and they go into the 3rd turn very close to one another, but they keep a safe distance between them. The come out,side by side,with Volucris Fortuna next, and the rest behind, and down the straight away they go! Here comes Viriathus! He's caught Sabiniano, and is challenging Dorothea, who glances back and gives him a radiant smile. Now, into the next turn, and out in the same order. They exchange 1st place,one leading, then another, and into the 4th turn .and out comes Volucris Fortuna, with good speed, followed closely by Ballista! Where did he come from? Well, he's certainly there,and his driver and horses have lots of energy, and fly through the 5th turn so close to the Spina that I think they removed some pant .but they got through! Fodor Sophia has come out right behind Ballista, and Dorothea is leaning in, trying to get more speed, and getting it, even if Mugitus behind her is yelling loud enough to deafen everything and everyone! They go into the 6th turn, and once again, Viriathus takes the lead, but gives it back to Mugitus ..and Ballista is holding back,waiting his chance. Into the 6th turn now, and it's Ballista, Fulmen, then Fodor Sophia, coming into the last lap and .look at that! Dorothea has found energy in hr horses, and storms ahead of everyone, with Ballista next, and Mugitus a had behind Ballista! Volucris Fortuna is going at full tilt next, followed by Ulpia Prima! And they cross the finish line .with Sophia Fodor 1st and Ballista 2nd! The crowed is going wild!



AR: Wait! Wait! The results have just been removed from the scoreboard! Look! The judges are talking to someone in the uniform of a stable hand .and one of them has left the judges box and is nearly running to the Aedile's box!



HER: Yes. They are talking, and he is pointing at Fodor Sophia! Oh gods! I haven't seen Maria Caeca .uh .the Aedile .look this angry since .um .not in a very *very* longtime! She is signaling to the judge to wait, and dictating something to her secretary. She gives the judge the note, then dictates another, and you can tell by her movements just how furious she is!



AR: The secretary gives the other note to a licter,who marches to the box where the Pontifexes are being entertained, and hands the note to Lentulus,who reads it, looks up, shrugs, and follows the licter to the Aedile, who has stepped out of her box to meet him.



HER: they seem to be talking .well, *she* is talking, and he is listening .and not saying a single word, from the looks of things. There, she has dismissed him very brusquely, and stepped back into her box.



AR: Here comes the public announcement! OK it's .1st place to Ballista, owned by the Pontifex Maximus, C. Petronius Dexter, and driven by Q. Valens, and 2nd place, also to Veneta, Fulmen, owned by P. Porcius Licinus and driven by Mugitus.



HER: What a race! I wouldn't want to be the Pontifex, though .I've seen that little Aedile of ours when she is in a rage .and it's more than a little daunting.



AR: Yes, I know .she can be .well, but I won't last,it never does,and the races will go on.






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87554 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Certamen Historicum - Day 5
M. Pompeius Caninus omnibus in foro S. P. D.



Citizens and friends, come join the history quiz! There is no daily deadline for entries. You may submit answers to any and all questions until the close of the Ludi Novi Romani on 07 March 2765. The rules are listed at the very bottom of this announcement. Questions from the earlier days in this Ludi Novi Romani are also included in case you may have missed any questions.


Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 5 - 05 March
9. Who were the aediles of Oppidum Bucurestium in the year 2761?
10. Who was the plebeian tribune who was born in 163 BC and would later be killed by the Boni due to his political agenda?


Current Certamen Historicum LeadersPoints
Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus8
Vibia Aemilia Regilla4
Servius Marius Paullus3


If you missed any questions, the questions for Day 1 through Day 4 are shown below. Please feel free to answer these questions. Answer any question or questions that you may have missed. However, it is not necessary to answer any questions for which you have already submitted an answer. 


Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 1 - 01 March
1. What is the highest office on the cursus honorum?
2. In which direction would you travel from Roma if you wanted to arrive in Tomis?

Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 2 - 02 March
3. Which citizen of Nova Roma served the shortest time ever officially as a provincial governor?
4. By a law of the Comitia Tributa Sextus Peducaeus had the investigation of what religious portent taken out of the hands of the pontifices?

Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 3 - 03 March
5. How many citizens of gens Iulius were assidui at the end of 2764?
6. Who was the governor of Britannia in 51 AD?

Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 4 - 04 March
7. The citizens of Nova Roma are members of urban and rural tribes. How does a member of a rural tribe become a member of an urban tribe?
8. In which direction would you travel from Roma if you wanted to arrive in Olbia?


Rules of the Certamen Historicum
1. Do not post answers to the mailing lists and do not post answers by simply hitting the Reply button.
2. Submit your answers to m.pompeius@... with the subject heading 'Certamen Historicum'.
3. Each correct answer is worth 1 point. An extra point may be awarded for an especially detailed and excellent answer.
4. New questions will be posted at about 01:00 Rome Time (1:00 AM Central European Time / GMT +1) each day of the Ludi Novi Romani.
5. Entries may be submitted at any time before 23:59 Rome Time (11:59 PM Central European Time / GMT +1) on 7 March 2765.
6. The current standings will be posted each evening so you may find the best practice is to send in your answers each day for the current day's questions to ensure your standings are updated on this page.
7. A list of the top ten contestants, including the winner, will be posted on this page no later than 12 March 2765.
8. Any questions, concerns or requests should be addressed to m.pompeius@... no later than 15 March 2765.
9. My decision is final in interpreting what is and what is not a correct answer.

Optime valete!

 
M. Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis
Vivat Nova Roma!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87555 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Third quarter-final Race Report.
Salvete omnes. Hello listeners.
Welcome to Nova Roma News Radio, broadcasting to you from the eternal city.

Today is day five of the Ludi Novi Romani, and our program starts with the third quarter-final race. Our reporter, Caeso Tarquinius Scipio, is down at the Circus Maximus – I believe he is down at the starting gates – so come in Scipio!

Yes, Salvete omnes, hello everyone. Today I'm down here at the circus, and I'm actually talking to you from behind the starting gates. I can tell you its all going on here with the chariots being given their last minute servicing, the drivers giving some final attention to the appearance of their faction colours, the horses being led out and harnessed to their chariots. The officials are trying to sort out who should be here and who should be chased away. There are so many fans wanting to give their best wishes to the aurigae, and perhaps try to unsettle the competition. The horses are whinnying, stamping and snorting with excitement, because they know a race is soon to start. And despite all the noise in here, I can hear the deafening roar of the crowd up in the stands who are growing impatient for the race to begin.

There's just time for me to tell you that the first race is between Spero of Rome, driving Elpidius, owned by L. Iulia Aquila and wearing Albata colours, Eudoxious driving Mellivora Capensis, owned by L. Cornelius Sulla Felix, for the Praesina faction, and Sartorius driving Ulpia Secunda, owned by C Aemilius Crassus in Russata colours. They are up against Amarach, a Celt, driving Taurus III, owned by P. Annaeus Cnstantinus Placidus also for Russata, and lastly Hanno Phoenicus driving Fulmen Punicum, wned by Tullius Valerianus Germanicus, the Veneta entry.

This looks like a strong entry, with a lot of experienced drivers. Spero of Rome is a citizen waiting to join the eagles, and his chariot is a simple wood and metal construction. His horses are plain, but look as if they have plenty of stamina. They'll need speed as well, though, to match Eudoxius on the straight. Sertorius is from Hispania, a former Centurion with a lot of racing experience. He is driving black Lusitanis, very good looking horses that we expect he will save for the final laps. Hanno Phoenicus seems to be a bit of an outsider, but we hear he can be aggressive and go all out to win.

Well, the race is soon to begin, so I'm quickly going to move out to the main stands where I can get a better view. The stands are packed – totam hodie Romam circus capit – all of Rome is at the circus today – and I need to hurry to the commentary box. I just need to dodge behind these girls wearing Veneta colours and waving their pom-poms. My word, they're a lively bunch and if their team has half as much energy they are bound to win. Catch you later, girls! But here we are at the commentary box, lets bring you up to date with the start. I can see the teams are in place behind the starting gates, and just appearing to start them off is M Pompeius Caninus ready to drop the starting flag. And there it goes, he drops the mappa, the gates fly open, and they're off!

They all tear out of the gates and down to the start of the first straight. Eudoxious for Praesina is pushing very close to Hanno of the Veneta as they find their line in the straight, but they've separated and are now all powering towards the first turn. The crowd, who were getting impatient for the start, are all yelling with excitement for their factions. Not much to choose between the drivers as they get to the end of the first straight, but I think Eudoxius is getting the best line as they go round this first turn.

And now they're coming back into view, and its Eudoxius by a head from Hanno, followed by Spero of Rome who is going very strong, then Sertorius and Amarach is last to go into the straight. They're really forcing their horses now as they go into the long straight, and the crowds on this side have a close-up view. The hooves are thundering towards us, the whips are cracking, oh my, there's a crash of wheels and Spero and Sertorius are right into each other. That's slowed them down, and Amarach has come though into third place, Spero dropping back into last place.

But now the action moves to the front of the field and its Hanno taking the lead, yes, Hanno has overtaken Eudoxius then its Amarach, then Sertorius followed by Spero. He doesn't look as if he has much hope there at the moment, but they're getting towards the next turn and Hanno is going well, followed by Eudoxius and Amarach in third place. They're well into the turn now and its hard to see who leads. As they start to come round on the other side its still Hanno in the lead, but it looks like Amarach is second with Eudoxius third, and then comes Spero, he's overtaken Sertorius on the bend.

On they go, into the long straight, and Hanno and Amarach are battling it out neck and neck and Spero is chasing Eudoxius hard. Sertorius is steadying his horses and beginning to pick up some more speed. And its Hanno in the lead, followed by Amarach, then Eudoxious closing up fast, and Spero and Sertorius some way back. They can't keep this speed up, surely. Which will win – speed or stamina?

But what's this, it looks as if there is another clash of wheels as Amarach tries to cut past Hanno before the turn. Yes, Amarach has managed to get through, and Russata fans are going mad as their team take the lead for the first time. Hanno has been thrown well to the side by that clash, and has completely lost the line as they go through the bend. Spero is now right on his heals, Hanno is firing his whip at Spero but Spero has put his head down and is urging his team on. The crowds are going mad as these two fight their way up the straight, and as they go into the turn Spero is pushing Hanno off line. I'm going to lose sight of them for a moment, but it looks as if Spero has got into second place. Eudoxius and Sertorius are still just getting to the turn, so they are still quite far back.

And here they come, its Amarach well clear from Spero and Hanno, then a gap, and now its Sertorius in fourth place from Eudoxius. It looks as if Eudoxius made a bad turn there and lost some ground. But there's still plenty of time to fight back. And now Spero is gaining ground on Amarach. My word, a contest between a Roman soldier and a Celt, - this has got the crowd more excited than ever. They are literally baying for blood! Spero is screaming at his horses, Amarach is whipping his on, they seem pretty well matched for speed as they hurtle down the straight. The Reds and the Whites are almost coming to blows in the stands, and the attendants are rushing to keep them apart. This is a real needle match, Roman versus Celt. They're right out ahead of the rest of the field now, but Spero can't catch him. This Celt seems to know how to get every ounce of speed out of his team.

And as they go down the straight its Hanno and Sertorius fighting for third place, with Eudoxius still trailing behind. Sertorius and Hanno are neck and neck as they race past the stands, and Sertorius has squeezed past and into third place. Eudoxius still in last place.
And now Spero is close behind Amarach as they go into the turn. Can Spero get a good line into that turn? He's taking it really close to the spina as he reaches the end of the straight, - now if he can save a few paces on the turn he will be close when they come out on the other side. They're round the corner now and out of view, and its Sertorius followed by Hanno, and after Hanno its Eudoxius finishing the field.

And here they come again, out of the turn, and the crowd are yelling like mad as Spero has done brilliantly on that turn. He's now close behind Amarach and looks set to catch him on this straight.

And as the rest come out of the turn its Hanno in third, he's overtaken Sertorius, and Eudoxius is challenging again for fourth place. As they storm up the straight its Spero and Amarach neck and neck, then a gap followed by Hanno, then Eudoxius and Sertorius neck and neck.

There's nothing in it between Spero and Amarach – they're using every trick to try to get past each other, but they're both too clever to let the other one get ahead. The lap markers are going down, the crowds are going mad, the noise is deafening, - I hope you can hear me talking – and listen to that, Eudoxius is gaining on – no – wait – oh my gosh, look at him go, he's taken fourth place, and is even moving up on Hanno for third. My oh my, the crowd that side are getting a wonderful spectacle as one and two, and then three and four fight it out on the straight. There's some tremendous yelling from the crowd – it looks like – yes Eudoxius has pushed Hanno across close to the spina, so that his wheel is screeching along the stonework. That's slowed him just enough to get past and into third place. Now its Praesina's turn to go wild and think of victory.

As they get towards the end of the straight its Spero with what looks like a good close line, and Amarach being pushed a little further out on the turn, I think Spero might make it on this turn. Then its Eudoxius coming on strongly, Hanno looking a bit tired, and Sertorius in the rear.

And now on the turn I wonder who will show first. Here they come, yes its Spero, he's done it. The crowd have gone wild, Rome has defeated the Celt. Looking across from my box I can see L. Iulia Aquila beaming with pride and delight and the Albata pom-poms are being thrown into the sky. The horses are all covered in foam as they come out of the turn. They've slowed quite a bit now to recover from that last lap. They need to find some energy now if they're going to finish this race. Amarach seems to have lost quite a bit of ground on the turn, which could allow Spero to rest his team a little on this next straight. He's keeping a close eye on Amarach to make sure he doesn't relax too much, but Amarach seems tired too.
Here comes number three, and Eudoxius has held off Hanno for third place, with Sertorius still in the rear. Sertorius isn't going very well at the moment, or perhaps he's resting his team ready for a big push. There's still time.

They're coming past us much slower this time, no changes of place, Spero and Amarach leading Eudoxius with Hanno and Sertorius behind. Spero looks as if he is carefully calculating the tactics for his next move, and Amarach seems to have lost some of his fight. But, what's this, Sertorius is suddenly beginning to pick up speed; he must have been resting his team on that last lap. Here he comes now, racing up from the back of the field. Hanno has seen him and is whipping up his team, but too late, Sertorius is neck and neck, and he's moving ahead, yes, he's overtaken him, and he's even moving up on Eudoxius. Well. ladies and gentlemen, we thought that this was going to be the quiet lap before the big finish, but I wasn't expecting that change of positions. Spero and Amarach are still clear at the front, but its Sertorius, Eudoxius and then Hanno at the rear. The crowd are thundering their applause at this sudden recovery, and as they go down the long straight Sertorius is building up a clear gap between him and the last two teams.

Now they're into the turn, and we lose sight of them for a moment, but here they come again, and Spero and then Amarach are still in the lead, then its Sertorius who has built up more of a lead over Eudoxius and Hanno.

And as they move up the long straight, a fight is breaking out again between Spero and Amarach for first place. Amarach is ramming his team into Spero's, and sparks are flying off their wheels. Spero is trying to keep his team clear of the spina, but Amarach is pushing him closer and closer to it. Spero's face is clenched with determination and his tactics have become much more aggressive in response to this new attack from his enemy. As the lap marker falls, Spero makes a breathtaking drive to force Amarach out of the way. Spero now has the perfect line, close to the spina but with enough space to avoid being pinned against it. Amarach is falling back again now that his attempt has failed.

But look at the back of the field. Eudoxius has now rallied, and is challenging Sertorius for third place. My word, ladies and gentlemen, look at that team go. Those horses are really showing their grit as they power their way up the straight. They've left it a bit late, but if they can keep this up they could be in with a chance. The crowd are pounding on the benches as Eudoxius moves up, He's catching Sertorius now, and Sertorius doesn't have the strength to fight him off. They're neck and neck, there's nothing between them, now he's moving clear, clear by a head, clear by a length, oh this is truly magnificent. Praesina are roaring with delight and pride as their champion takes third place. He is still moving up as the leaders go into the turn.

And as they come back out of the turn I can tell you that its now Spero, still in the lead, from Amarach, but Eudoxius has closed right up on him, then a gap, then Sertorius and then Hanno. No change there right at the back. And now they're thundering towards us down the straight, much faster this time, they have got a second wind now and are going all out for victory. My word, ladies and gentlemen, the crowds are loving this race, just listen to the shouts and screams from out there...

But as they come near the stands, its Eudoxius giving a hard challenge to Amarach, and this time Amarach can't find the stamina to hold him off. Just look at that team go. The Praesina fans have now gone completely mad and are throwing pom-poms, food, anything they can get their hands on into the air and towards the Russata fans who are screaming in protest. They don't believe they have been forced back into third place.

At the turn its Spero from Eudoxius, then Amarach then a gap and then Sertorius and last Hanno. But at the last moment, as they take the turn, I can just see that Sertorius has found new strength. They've gone out of sight for a moment, but I bet you that the positions will have changed again when they get to the next straight.

And here they come back into the straight, and I can see that its Spero in the lead, then Eudoxius who has kept hold of his lead over Amarach, then Sertorius coming up close behind, and Hanno still trailing at the rear. Sertorius really is moving well, I'm told that this was his strategy, to hurry in the final laps, and that's just what he's doing. Just look at that team go!

Now they're well into the final straight, and its Spero in the lead, followed by Eudoxius, but Sertorius is challenging Amarach for third place, yes, its Sertorius gaining ground, they're neck and neck, Amarach doesn't have the energy to fight back, he's slipping behind, and as they cross the line its Spero of Rome, who wins, then Eudoxius, then Sertorius who is giving a huge hug to his horses who are absolutely covered in foam after their fantastic run, then Amarach who led the way for so much of the race but lacked the stamina at the end there. Bringing up the tail is Hanno Phoenicus, who showed good potential early on, but again didn't have the stamina to compete with the quality field here today.

Well folks, the army wins today, Spero of Rome who can join the Eagles proud of his win here in the Circus Maximus today, and Sertorius, the former Centurion.
Final positions are:-
Spero of Rome (L. Iulia Aquila)for Albata
Eudoxius (Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix)for Praesina
Sertorius (C Aemilius Crassus)for Russata
Amarach (P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus)also for Russata
Hanno Phoenicus (Tu. Valerianus Germanicus, for Veneta.

So its more racing later today, folks.
And now back to the studio.
Valete omnes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87556 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: a.d. IV Non. Mar.
What does "Hodiernus dies est ante diem IV Nones Martias; haec dies comitialis est" mean?
Grati,
Ti. Marci Quadra


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87557 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani: 1st quarter finals race report
RUSSATA!! RUSSATA!!1



From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of C. Maria Caeca
Sent: segunda-feira, 5 de Março de 2012 02:28
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Novi Romani: 1st quarter finals race report





1st quarter final race report

Ladies and Gentlemen.it's NR LIVE, from the Circus Maximus, this is
Arionrhod .bringing you our play by play broadcast of our series of chariot
races for the Ludi Romani 2765!As you may remember, I drive for Albata, as
part of the team owned by our curule Aedile, but she can't enter chariots
this year .so this is my part-time job. With me in the broadcast booth is my
husband and fellow driver, Hermanus.

HER: Wow! Listen to them cheer me!

AR: They aren't cheering you, silly man, they are cheering the Aedile, who
has just entered her box with her personal staff. But .aren't the stands
beautiful! I have it on god authority that, to honor Venus, there are,
literally millions of roses, decorating the circus, and the street leading
up to it, in huge vases, baskets sitting on alls, *and* every woman or girl
who entered for the races has been presented with a lovely bouquet!

HER:so ..where's yours?

AR: sitting right behind me, see? Right next to the basket of meat pies .and
don't you dare eat them all! There are the Consuls and their families, and
the Praetors .and the tribunes are just entering and taking their places,
too. It's a little cool, and the races were started late because of some
rain, but everything is ready to go!

HER: Here comes the parade of chariots! We have a very large field this
year, which is really great! I just wish I was down there. But .1st is, for
Veneta (see all those blue pompoms and banners!) this is Titus Quadratus in
his chariot Victoria Astrum owned by Q. Iulius Nepo. I remember this driver
from last year.he is extremely aggressive, and loves to use his whip.

AR: OOO .I could teach him some lessons in whip-craft .but that's OK, I'll
get my chance, one of these days.

Her: also for Veneta is Rutilius, in his chariot Tanitrus. I remember him,
too.he won last year, for one thing .and that red hair of his can be seen in
Ultima Thule! The chariot owner is, of course,P. Porcius Licinus. Now, for
Russata, here is the chariot Elmo,driven by Attila and owned by T. Popillia
Leanas, also is our own Placidus, and he is driving his own chariot!

AR: You don' see *that* very often!

HER: Good thing for us, yes? But, the chariot is called Sirius Publius, and
the last entry for Russata is Q. Hirtius, driving Flama, which is owned by
A. Vitilius Celsus. He's a veteran too, I believe. Finally, for Albata, we
have Aetius Canius, in his chariot Ignis Natus, owned, of course, by our
esteemed Pontifex L. Julia Aquila, who is looking ravishing this fine day.

AR: Watch the horses, not the ladies, for all love!

Her: I am, of course, but she *dos*, as do all our lovely Nova Roman ladies.
Oh .there is Aeternia, in her blue feather cloak! She says it brings her
faction luck .we'll see.

AR: OK, the horses have circled the tack, and the Curule Aedile is being
escorted to the podium by one of her staff, and .she drops the mappa.
They're off! Quadratus is out of the gate, taking a quick lead, and Veneta
is insane! Bu, coming up on his fast is Elmo, followed closely by Ignis
Natus and Flamma, driven by Hirtius. The rest are bunched jus behind, but
they straighten themselves out, and come into the 1st turn,and out,in the
same order. Looks like Quadrata and Aetius Canius are having a .sharp
discussion, and both whips threaten. Attila (I wonder if he's as fierce as
his famous namesake) takes advantage to gain on Quadrata and take the lead,
and in to the 2nd turn they go. Coming out, Rutilius in Tanitrus takes the
lead .and keeps it, despite pressure from Placidus! Placidus is running
perilously close to the wall, but he keeps control, Meanwhile, Attila and
Canius are fighting neck and neck for a small lead, and here comes Quadrata!
He slips between the 2 leading chariots, and has the lead going into the 3rd
turn. Out they come, and Canius,Quadrata,Placidus and Rutilius are all
bunched together in front. I don't think there is a horse's hair between
them! Oh! Quadrata just went for Attila with his whip, and Attila avoided
the blow, but his horse lost his stride just a little, so Quadrata pulls out
in front, but here comes Rutillius to challenge, and into the 4th turn, and
oh,no!

HER: Placidus took the curve just a little too close, there, and brushed the
wall, but enough. He's lost a wheel, but Placidus doesn't jump free. He
controls his hoses, keeping his chariot just barely balanced so it doesn't
block the course. Race officials come running to help, and the chariot is
unhooked and moved, while Placidus calms his horses and gets them to safety
too.

AR: Oh, that good .he's waving to the crowd to show he's OK, and they are
cheering him,loudly! See .this is why professional drivers are best .we know
what .

HER: Stop,woman! Placidus is an excellent driver! He proved it when he got
into trouble .but they are entering the 4th turn, and coming out with
Quadrata in the lead, followed closely by .everybody else! What a match this
field is! OK, now into the 5th turn, and Veneta's Rutilius explodes into the
straightaway, with Elmo on his tail,and Canius coming up to challenge, and
into the next turn.

AR: They are changing places by small margins, one leading then the next
.and into the last turn! Attila and Q. Hirtius,ho has been saving his
energy, are fighting for the advantage, and the stands are alive with red
banners, as Rusatta's Flamma comes roaring out of the turn, gabs the lead,
and keeps it, but Ignis Natus is challenging .challenging .but not quite
.enough! They cross the finish line, with Q. Hirtius 1st, and Aetius Canius
2nd, so Russata and Albata are assured places in the semi finals!

Her: hat a great start to the races! I'd be willing to wager that this
year's chariot races will be spectacular!

AR: Yes.but they'd be even better if we we were racing! There come the
drivers to the winners circle, to receive their congratulations, and, after
a short break, we will be back for the 2nd quarter final!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87558 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Rmani: 2nd quarter final race report
Ah, Viriathus made a good race but wasnÂ’t enough.



But I think very fishy the way the victor was taken away from Russata! I
want to know what the heck happened!



Crassus



From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of C. Maria Caeca
Sent: segunda-feira, 5 de Março de 2012 05:16
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Novi Rmani: 2nd quarter final race report





Hello again, race fans! This is Arianrhod .and I hope you enjoyed the show
between heats! Those Gypsy dancers are from Panonnia, and the lovely young
lady doing the love songs so beautifully is Tatiana,winner of the Panonian
Idol contest, this year. Oh .and I wish you could see the huge bouquet of
flowers that were brought up to me! The card simply says "from an admirer"
and my husband is .jealous!

HER: No I'm not! If he really knew you, he'd know better!

AR: I think it is time for *you* to describe the parade of chariots now,
*isn't* it?

HER: Well, then, here they come. First comes Russata, and the crowd is
throwing red roses, waving red banners, and shouting at the tops of their
voices! The first chariot is driven by Viriathus for for C. Aemilius
Crassus, and the chariots name is Ulpia Prima.

AR: didn't he just get an appointment?

HER: He did, indeed ..he joined the Praetura as a scribe. I thought it was
really nice to see some Governors taking their oaths of office earlier today
on the podium,too, and I've heard that the Curule Aedile is sponsoring a
dinner for all the Governors after the races.

AR: Well, one thing for sure .they will eat well!

HER: now, also for Russata comes is the chariot Sophia Fodor, and our first
lady charioteer for this Ludi, Dorothea. She is absolutely stunning, too!

AR: Ah, yes .but besides that, she is an excellent driver, and has won
several races in her Provincia.

HER: I was going to say that! The chariot is owned by our Pontifex C.
Cornelius Lentulus. Next comes Albata's one entry, This chariot is owned by
L. Aelius Trio, driven by Sabiniano, and is called Volucris Fortuna. This is
Trio's first Ludi entry, I think, but his driver certainly looks confident.
Is he making eyes at Dorothea?

AR: I wouldn't suggest doing that .I've heard she knows how to use her whip,
and that she isn't available.

HER: Hmm .define available .no, no, best not, and don't give me that look!

Now comes Veneta's 3 entries. First, we have Ballista, driven for our
Pontifex Maximus C. Petronius Dexter by Q. Valens. We have 2 priests in 1
race! The gods will be watching this one for sure!

AR: The gods watch all the races, even when you are driving.

HER: yes, but when you drive, dear girl, they throw down sunbeams. Next, we
have another entry from P. Porcius Licinus, Fulmen, driven by Mugitus. I
remember him from last year .he can out-shut a legion!

AR (laughs). I know,you can hear him from here! And his language is most
colorful, too!

HER:finally,we have another owner/driver, Marcus Pompeius Caninus, driving
Potentia. This is his first time out,but I've seen him in practice, and he's
good!

AR: Yes, but again ..

HER: Oh, come on, Love, there will always be jobs for us, (laughs). I like
to see owners taking risks by driving. Makes them appreciate us more.

AR: OK,now they have made their round, and the Aedile rises, the mappa is
dropped, and they're off!

First out of the blocks comes Caninus, followed closely by the other 5
drivers, all conserving their energy,so far, but,in the 1st turn,Mugitus
makes a move, and gains a good position on the outside. Dorothea has moved
up, too, and comes out first into the 2nd lap, followed closely by Mugitus
and then Ulpia Prima, and Volucris Fortuna. They hold position,but Dorothea
is crowding Caninus as they go into the 2nd turn, and oh, gods! Caninus has
made his exit from the turn too quickly! His chariot swings and hits the
wall! The rest of the field get by,but Dorothea was already out, and has a
strong lead! The track officials come and help to untangle the horses and
chariot. Caninus is limping, but it doesn't look as though he is badly hurt.
He's looking at his chariot a little sadly,though .it will have to be
rebuilt, I think. Now, Mugitus is coming up on Dorothea, and they go into
the 3rd turn very close to one another, but they keep a safe distance
between them. The come out,side by side,with Volucris Fortuna next, and the
rest behind, and down the straight away they go! Here comes Viriathus! He's
caught Sabiniano, and is challenging Dorothea, who glances back and gives
him a radiant smile. Now, into the next turn, and out in the same order.
They exchange 1st place,one leading, then another, and into the 4th turn
.and out comes Volucris Fortuna, with good speed, followed closely by
Ballista! Where did he come from? Well, he's certainly there,and his driver
and horses have lots of energy, and fly through the 5th turn so close to the
Spina that I think they removed some pant .but they got through! Fodor
Sophia has come out right behind Ballista, and Dorothea is leaning in,
trying to get more speed, and getting it, even if Mugitus behind her is
yelling loud enough to deafen everything and everyone! They go into the 6th
turn, and once again, Viriathus takes the lead, but gives it back to Mugitus
..and Ballista is holding back,waiting his chance. Into the 6th turn now,
and it's Ballista, Fulmen, then Fodor Sophia, coming into the last lap and
.look at that! Dorothea has found energy in hr horses, and storms ahead of
everyone, with Ballista next, and Mugitus a had behind Ballista! Volucris
Fortuna is going at full tilt next, followed by Ulpia Prima! And they cross
the finish line .with Sophia Fodor 1st and Ballista 2nd! The crowed is going
wild!

AR: Wait! Wait! The results have just been removed from the scoreboard!
Look! The judges are talking to someone in the uniform of a stable hand .and
one of them has left the judges box and is nearly running to the Aedile's
box!

HER: Yes. They are talking, and he is pointing at Fodor Sophia! Oh gods! I
haven't seen Maria Caeca .uh .the Aedile .look this angry since .um .not in
a very *very* longtime! She is signaling to the judge to wait, and dictating
something to her secretary. She gives the judge the note, then dictates
another, and you can tell by her movements just how furious she is!

AR: The secretary gives the other note to a licter,who marches to the box
where the Pontifexes are being entertained, and hands the note to
Lentulus,who reads it, looks up, shrugs, and follows the licter to the
Aedile, who has stepped out of her box to meet him.

HER: they seem to be talking .well, *she* is talking, and he is listening
.and not saying a single word, from the looks of things. There, she has
dismissed him very brusquely, and stepped back into her box.

AR: Here comes the public announcement! OK it's .1st place to Ballista,
owned by the Pontifex Maximus, C. Petronius Dexter, and driven by Q. Valens,
and 2nd place, also to Veneta, Fulmen, owned by P. Porcius Licinus and
driven by Mugitus.

HER: What a race! I wouldn't want to be the Pontifex, though .I've seen that
little Aedile of ours when she is in a rage .and it's more than a little
daunting.

AR: Yes, I know .she can be .well, but I won't last,it never does,and the
races will go on.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87559 From: Bruno Zani Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: a.d. IV Non. Mar.
A. Liburnius Ti. Marcio Quadrae quiritibusque SPD
 
it translates as: today is the fourth day before the Nones of March; it is a "comitial" day,  i.e. the comitia (plebis, tributa and centuriata) can meet and vote.
 
Optime vale et valete

From: Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...>
To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] a.d. IV Non. Mar.


 
What does "Hodiernus dies est ante diem IV Nones Martias; haec dies comitialis est" mean?
Grati,
Ti. Marci Quadra

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87560 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Third quarter-final Race Report.
Salvete,



My congratulations to Iulia and Albata and to Sulla and Praesina, it was a
very good race.



I will have a talk with Sertorius concerning is, hm letÂ’s say, lack proper
timing in the raceÂ…



Valete,

Crassus



From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS
Sent: segunda-feira, 5 de Março de 2012 08:57
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Third quarter-final Race Report.





Salvete omnes. Hello listeners.
Welcome to Nova Roma News Radio, broadcasting to you from the eternal city.

Today is day five of the Ludi Novi Romani, and our program starts with the
third quarter-final race. Our reporter, Caeso Tarquinius Scipio, is down at
the Circus Maximus – I believe he is down at the starting gates – so come in
Scipio!

Yes, Salvete omnes, hello everyone. Today I'm down here at the circus, and
I'm actually talking to you from behind the starting gates. I can tell you
its all going on here with the chariots being given their last minute
servicing, the drivers giving some final attention to the appearance of
their faction colours, the horses being led out and harnessed to their
chariots. The officials are trying to sort out who should be here and who
should be chased away. There are so many fans wanting to give their best
wishes to the aurigae, and perhaps try to unsettle the competition. The
horses are whinnying, stamping and snorting with excitement, because they
know a race is soon to start. And despite all the noise in here, I can hear
the deafening roar of the crowd up in the stands who are growing impatient
for the race to begin.

There's just time for me to tell you that the first race is between Spero of
Rome, driving Elpidius, owned by L. Iulia Aquila and wearing Albata colours,
Eudoxious driving Mellivora Capensis, owned by L. Cornelius Sulla Felix, for
the Praesina faction, and Sartorius driving Ulpia Secunda, owned by C
Aemilius Crassus in Russata colours. They are up against Amarach, a Celt,
driving Taurus III, owned by P. Annaeus Cnstantinus Placidus also for
Russata, and lastly Hanno Phoenicus driving Fulmen Punicum, wned by Tullius
Valerianus Germanicus, the Veneta entry.

This looks like a strong entry, with a lot of experienced drivers. Spero of
Rome is a citizen waiting to join the eagles, and his chariot is a simple
wood and metal construction. His horses are plain, but look as if they have
plenty of stamina. They'll need speed as well, though, to match Eudoxius on
the straight. Sertorius is from Hispania, a former Centurion with a lot of
racing experience. He is driving black Lusitanis, very good looking horses
that we expect he will save for the final laps. Hanno Phoenicus seems to be
a bit of an outsider, but we hear he can be aggressive and go all out to
win.

Well, the race is soon to begin, so I'm quickly going to move out to the
main stands where I can get a better view. The stands are packed – totam
hodie Romam circus capit – all of Rome is at the circus today – and I need
to hurry to the commentary box. I just need to dodge behind these girls
wearing Veneta colours and waving their pom-poms. My word, they're a lively
bunch and if their team has half as much energy they are bound to win. Catch
you later, girls! But here we are at the commentary box, lets bring you up
to date with the start. I can see the teams are in place behind the starting
gates, and just appearing to start them off is M Pompeius Caninus ready to
drop the starting flag. And there it goes, he drops the mappa, the gates fly
open, and they're off!

They all tear out of the gates and down to the start of the first straight.
Eudoxious for Praesina is pushing very close to Hanno of the Veneta as they
find their line in the straight, but they've separated and are now all
powering towards the first turn. The crowd, who were getting impatient for
the start, are all yelling with excitement for their factions. Not much to
choose between the drivers as they get to the end of the first straight, but
I think Eudoxius is getting the best line as they go round this first turn.

And now they're coming back into view, and its Eudoxius by a head from
Hanno, followed by Spero of Rome who is going very strong, then Sertorius
and Amarach is last to go into the straight. They're really forcing their
horses now as they go into the long straight, and the crowds on this side
have a close-up view. The hooves are thundering towards us, the whips are
cracking, oh my, there's a crash of wheels and Spero and Sertorius are right
into each other. That's slowed them down, and Amarach has come though into
third place, Spero dropping back into last place.

But now the action moves to the front of the field and its Hanno taking the
lead, yes, Hanno has overtaken Eudoxius then its Amarach, then Sertorius
followed by Spero. He doesn't look as if he has much hope there at the
moment, but they're getting towards the next turn and Hanno is going well,
followed by Eudoxius and Amarach in third place. They're well into the turn
now and its hard to see who leads. As they start to come round on the other
side its still Hanno in the lead, but it looks like Amarach is second with
Eudoxius third, and then comes Spero, he's overtaken Sertorius on the bend.

On they go, into the long straight, and Hanno and Amarach are battling it
out neck and neck and Spero is chasing Eudoxius hard. Sertorius is steadying
his horses and beginning to pick up some more speed. And its Hanno in the
lead, followed by Amarach, then Eudoxious closing up fast, and Spero and
Sertorius some way back. They can't keep this speed up, surely. Which will
win – speed or stamina?

But what's this, it looks as if there is another clash of wheels as Amarach
tries to cut past Hanno before the turn. Yes, Amarach has managed to get
through, and Russata fans are going mad as their team take the lead for the
first time. Hanno has been thrown well to the side by that clash, and has
completely lost the line as they go through the bend. Spero is now right on
his heals, Hanno is firing his whip at Spero but Spero has put his head down
and is urging his team on. The crowds are going mad as these two fight their
way up the straight, and as they go into the turn Spero is pushing Hanno off
line. I'm going to lose sight of them for a moment, but it looks as if Spero
has got into second place. Eudoxius and Sertorius are still just getting to
the turn, so they are still quite far back.

And here they come, its Amarach well clear from Spero and Hanno, then a gap,
and now its Sertorius in fourth place from Eudoxius. It looks as if Eudoxius
made a bad turn there and lost some ground. But there's still plenty of time
to fight back. And now Spero is gaining ground on Amarach. My word, a
contest between a Roman soldier and a Celt, - this has got the crowd more
excited than ever. They are literally baying for blood! Spero is screaming
at his horses, Amarach is whipping his on, they seem pretty well matched for
speed as they hurtle down the straight. The Reds and the Whites are almost
coming to blows in the stands, and the attendants are rushing to keep them
apart. This is a real needle match, Roman versus Celt. They're right out
ahead of the rest of the field now, but Spero can't catch him. This Celt
seems to know how to get every ounce of speed out of his team.

And as they go down the straight its Hanno and Sertorius fighting for third
place, with Eudoxius still trailing behind. Sertorius and Hanno are neck and
neck as they race past the stands, and Sertorius has squeezed past and into
third place. Eudoxius still in last place.
And now Spero is close behind Amarach as they go into the turn. Can Spero
get a good line into that turn? He's taking it really close to the spina as
he reaches the end of the straight, - now if he can save a few paces on the
turn he will be close when they come out on the other side. They're round
the corner now and out of view, and its Sertorius followed by Hanno, and
after Hanno its Eudoxius finishing the field.

And here they come again, out of the turn, and the crowd are yelling like
mad as Spero has done brilliantly on that turn. He's now close behind
Amarach and looks set to catch him on this straight.

And as the rest come out of the turn its Hanno in third, he's overtaken
Sertorius, and Eudoxius is challenging again for fourth place. As they storm
up the straight its Spero and Amarach neck and neck, then a gap followed by
Hanno, then Eudoxius and Sertorius neck and neck.

There's nothing in it between Spero and Amarach – they're using every trick
to try to get past each other, but they're both too clever to let the other
one get ahead. The lap markers are going down, the crowds are going mad, the
noise is deafening, - I hope you can hear me talking – and listen to that,
Eudoxius is gaining on – no – wait – oh my gosh, look at him go, he's taken
fourth place, and is even moving up on Hanno for third. My oh my, the crowd
that side are getting a wonderful spectacle as one and two, and then three
and four fight it out on the straight. There's some tremendous yelling from
the crowd – it looks like – yes Eudoxius has pushed Hanno across close to
the spina, so that his wheel is screeching along the stonework. That's
slowed him just enough to get past and into third place. Now its Praesina's
turn to go wild and think of victory.

As they get towards the end of the straight its Spero with what looks like a
good close line, and Amarach being pushed a little further out on the turn,
I think Spero might make it on this turn. Then its Eudoxius coming on
strongly, Hanno looking a bit tired, and Sertorius in the rear.

And now on the turn I wonder who will show first. Here they come, yes its
Spero, he's done it. The crowd have gone wild, Rome has defeated the Celt.
Looking across from my box I can see L. Iulia Aquila beaming with pride and
delight and the Albata pom-poms are being thrown into the sky. The horses
are all covered in foam as they come out of the turn. They've slowed quite a
bit now to recover from that last lap. They need to find some energy now if
they're going to finish this race. Amarach seems to have lost quite a bit of
ground on the turn, which could allow Spero to rest his team a little on
this next straight. He's keeping a close eye on Amarach to make sure he
doesn't relax too much, but Amarach seems tired too.
Here comes number three, and Eudoxius has held off Hanno for third place,
with Sertorius still in the rear. Sertorius isn't going very well at the
moment, or perhaps he's resting his team ready for a big push. There's still
time.

They're coming past us much slower this time, no changes of place, Spero and
Amarach leading Eudoxius with Hanno and Sertorius behind. Spero looks as if
he is carefully calculating the tactics for his next move, and Amarach seems
to have lost some of his fight. But, what's this, Sertorius is suddenly
beginning to pick up speed; he must have been resting his team on that last
lap. Here he comes now, racing up from the back of the field. Hanno has seen
him and is whipping up his team, but too late, Sertorius is neck and neck,
and he's moving ahead, yes, he's overtaken him, and he's even moving up on
Eudoxius. Well. ladies and gentlemen, we thought that this was going to be
the quiet lap before the big finish, but I wasn't expecting that change of
positions. Spero and Amarach are still clear at the front, but its
Sertorius, Eudoxius and then Hanno at the rear. The crowd are thundering
their applause at this sudden recovery, and as they go down the long
straight Sertorius is building up a clear gap between him and the last two
teams.

Now they're into the turn, and we lose sight of them for a moment, but here
they come again, and Spero and then Amarach are still in the lead, then its
Sertorius who has built up more of a lead over Eudoxius and Hanno.

And as they move up the long straight, a fight is breaking out again between
Spero and Amarach for first place. Amarach is ramming his team into Spero's,
and sparks are flying off their wheels. Spero is trying to keep his team
clear of the spina, but Amarach is pushing him closer and closer to it.
Spero's face is clenched with determination and his tactics have become much
more aggressive in response to this new attack from his enemy. As the lap
marker falls, Spero makes a breathtaking drive to force Amarach out of the
way. Spero now has the perfect line, close to the spina but with enough
space to avoid being pinned against it. Amarach is falling back again now
that his attempt has failed.

But look at the back of the field. Eudoxius has now rallied, and is
challenging Sertorius for third place. My word, ladies and gentlemen, look
at that team go. Those horses are really showing their grit as they power
their way up the straight. They've left it a bit late, but if they can keep
this up they could be in with a chance. The crowd are pounding on the
benches as Eudoxius moves up, He's catching Sertorius now, and Sertorius
doesn't have the strength to fight him off. They're neck and neck, there's
nothing between them, now he's moving clear, clear by a head, clear by a
length, oh this is truly magnificent. Praesina are roaring with delight and
pride as their champion takes third place. He is still moving up as the
leaders go into the turn.

And as they come back out of the turn I can tell you that its now Spero,
still in the lead, from Amarach, but Eudoxius has closed right up on him,
then a gap, then Sertorius and then Hanno. No change there right at the
back. And now they're thundering towards us down the straight, much faster
this time, they have got a second wind now and are going all out for
victory. My word, ladies and gentlemen, the crowds are loving this race,
just listen to the shouts and screams from out there...

But as they come near the stands, its Eudoxius giving a hard challenge to
Amarach, and this time Amarach can't find the stamina to hold him off. Just
look at that team go. The Praesina fans have now gone completely mad and are
throwing pom-poms, food, anything they can get their hands on into the air
and towards the Russata fans who are screaming in protest. They don't
believe they have been forced back into third place.

At the turn its Spero from Eudoxius, then Amarach then a gap and then
Sertorius and last Hanno. But at the last moment, as they take the turn, I
can just see that Sertorius has found new strength. They've gone out of
sight for a moment, but I bet you that the positions will have changed again
when they get to the next straight.

And here they come back into the straight, and I can see that its Spero in
the lead, then Eudoxius who has kept hold of his lead over Amarach, then
Sertorius coming up close behind, and Hanno still trailing at the rear.
Sertorius really is moving well, I'm told that this was his strategy, to
hurry in the final laps, and that's just what he's doing. Just look at that
team go!

Now they're well into the final straight, and its Spero in the lead,
followed by Eudoxius, but Sertorius is challenging Amarach for third place,
yes, its Sertorius gaining ground, they're neck and neck, Amarach doesn't
have the energy to fight back, he's slipping behind, and as they cross the
line its Spero of Rome, who wins, then Eudoxius, then Sertorius who is
giving a huge hug to his horses who are absolutely covered in foam after
their fantastic run, then Amarach who led the way for so much of the race
but lacked the stamina at the end there. Bringing up the tail is Hanno
Phoenicus, who showed good potential early on, but again didn't have the
stamina to compete with the quality field here today.

Well folks, the army wins today, Spero of Rome who can join the Eagles proud
of his win here in the Circus Maximus today, and Sertorius, the former
Centurion.
Final positions are:-
Spero of Rome (L. Iulia Aquila)for Albata
Eudoxius (Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix)for Praesina
Sertorius (C Aemilius Crassus)for Russata
Amarach (P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus)also for Russata
Hanno Phoenicus (Tu. Valerianus Germanicus, for Veneta.

So its more racing later today, folks.
And now back to the studio.
Valete omnes





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87561 From: C. Aemilius Crassus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani, devotional to Minerva
Salve Caeca et omnes,



Very beautiful.



Valete,

Crassus



From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of C. Maria Caeca
Sent: domingo, 4 de Março de 2012 00:32
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Novi Romani, devotional to Minerva





Devotional to Minerva

Daughter of mighty Iupiter, your gifts,

Bounteous and infinitely precious

Are eternal in their beneficence

Wisdom, that we may use thought,

Reason, that we may perceive and judge,

Strategy, that we may plan, in peace and war,

Skill, that we may make those things of use and beauty

Learning, that we may lift ourselves from ignorance.

Your swift sword cuts through illusion

And sweeps away the detritus of ignorance.

Your discernment lets us find the truth, the

True and constant value in any controversy

Because of you, we are able to ask

The questions that most need answers

Because of you, we can take the measure

Of those answers and gauge their worth.

You have given us skill

In all things of handwork,

You taught us the way of looms,

You showed us the grace of building,

These gifts brought with them comfort and ease.

These things, Lady, have you given us

And so, we return to you our endeavors,

Written and spoken, tales and histories;

And we, offer to you our honor and the gratitude

That can only come when the worth of gifts

Can be truly valued, and that, also, is your gift.

C. Maria Caeca

03/03/12

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87562 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: WORKING ADULTS Re: [Nova-Roma] LUDI NOVI ROMANI - Certamen Latinum #
Salve,

I like and appreciate that you have grammar exercises for us. But there are a few things I notice that may be addressed.

The quiz below: how often do you have a quiz? Once a year?


The format I would use is daily, progressive practice; with a quiz at the end of each week, with a cumulative quiz to coincide with our March celebrations. The goal should be gradual building of one's ability to speak Latin fluently. Thus, a "See Spot run; see Spot run fast; see Spot run after the cat" approach will help me, a elementary Latinist.

 
Also, instead of scaring us with the "forbidden" messages, just tell us directly what we're supposed to do. For me, I see forbidden, and I'm off to the next email, barely looking at the "forbidden" email.

For example, I would say: ALL QUIZ ENTRIES ARE TO BE TURNED IN TO abc@.... DO NOT TURN IN QUIZ ENTRIES THROUGH REPLY.

I love your passion, but its a bit much at once to take, given the other 101 things I need to do.
Eagar to learn incrementally,

Ti. Marci Quadra


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From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...>
To: Nova Roma ML <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>; Forum Hospitum <nova_roma_@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Religio Romana List <ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com>; Nova Roma Latina <nova-roma-latina@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] LUDI NOVI ROMANI - Certamen Latinum #2 (Latin Quiz)


 
***Posting quiz answers to the mailing list is FORBIDDEN!***
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Cn. Lentulus scriba aedilis curulis C. Mariae Caecae: Quiritibus: S. P. D.

What is with you, Romans? Come on now, let's show to the world there is at least 10 of you who can do this Contest! :) Those who participate, I swear, will learn the full structure of Latin within 10 days! Is not it worth a try? Senators, priests? You MUST try it. Only T. Valeria Celeris, praetrix St. Cornelia Iuliana Valeriana Aeternia, aedilis P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus, tribuna plebis V. Aemilia Regilla and tribunus plebis A. Liburnius Hadrianus answered Question #1 - glory to these 5 ladies and gentlemen, saving Nova Roma from shame! :) And among the contestants: P. Annaeus Placidus! Winner of every Latin contest in the last year, the formidable Placidus :) - Who can beat him? Perhaps YOU - who think about participating...

It's ludi time, people! Let's celebrate and honor good old Mother Nova Roma with some playing and gaming! Follow the example of these five outstanding Romans above.

Now I *EXTEND* the deadline for the first set of questions, and at the bottom of this message you will find Question #1 after today's Question #2. You can find yesterday's question here:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum#March_3rd_-_Day_3_of_the_Ludi_Novi_Romani_.E2.80.93_Question_1_of_the_Certamen_Latinum

Ranking, pointing and grading the answers of those who are already participating will follow after publishing the next question. 

You get an additional 48 hours to answer them, and the deadline for Question # is now the same as for Question #2. You can send them together with today's question, to this address:

<cnaeus_cornelius@...>

And remember! Not only citizens can participate, but any visitor of Nova Roma!
And there is prize! A very nice prize, for the winner.

You can follow the Certamen Latin on our ludus webpage, too:
http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum

March 4th - Day 4 of the Ludi Novi Romani – Question 2 of the Certamen Latinum

I. INTRODUCTION 2 - Dictionary Forms of Verbs

Previously we discussed the dictionary form of the Latin nouns. We have learned that the dictionary forms of the nouns include the genitive (possessive) form of the noun, and its ending determines the entire inflection of the noun, the declension of the noun.

Today we study the dictionary forms of the verbs. How can we decide what conjugation (verb inflection group) a verb belongs to?

In the case of the verb “have”, you will find:

habeo –ére, -bui, -bitum

This is 4 pieces of information:

(1) habeo; it is the first person singular of the verb “have”. It means “I have”.

(2) –ere; it’s an abbreviation of “habere”, the infinite of the verb. It means “to have”.

(3) –bui; it’s an abbreviation of “habui”, the perfect tense of the verb. It means “I have had” or “I had”.

(4) –bitum; abbreviation of “habitum”, it’s the supine (or the past participle).

This verb’s infinitive, “habére” (to have), indicated in the dictionary form as “–ére” shows that this verb belongs to the 2nd conjugations, as all verbs that have the infinitive ending “-ére” belong to the 2nd conjugation. The second dictionary element, the infinitive, determines which conjugation the verb belongs to. The four types of infinitive endings and the four conjugations determined by the different genitive endings are:

-are = 1st conjugation; e.g.: amo, -are, -avi, -atum (I love)

-ére = 2nd conjugation; e.g.: habeo, -ere, -bui, -bitum (I have)

-ere = 3rd conjugation; e.g.: dico, -ere, dixi, dictum (I say)

-ire = 4th conjugation; e.g.: audio, -ire, -ivi, -itum (I hear)

Note that “–ere”, which is short vowel, is different from “–ére”, which is long vowel.

You will find more information about the dictionary forms of verbs here, on our website: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Conjugation

II. QUESTION 2

Use the Latin dictionary that we used last time, or, if you have to use an online Latin dictionary, use this one:

http://books.google.com/books?id=k1ZFAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

Look into the dictionary and determine which conjugations the following 10 verbs belong to (10 x 1 pts).

Solve the abbreviations and spell out, write out the full forms of their infinitive form (10 x 0.5 pts) and their perfect tense form (10 x 0.5 pts), and their supine/past participle (10 x 0.5 pts).

deleo
creo
sentio
video
mitto
scio
rogo
cupio

III. AN EXAMPLE HOW TO DO IT:

ago;

- after looking into a dictionary, you will find its dictionary form is “ago, -ere, egi, actum”, so you will give the following data:

ago, 3rd conjugation (1pt); agere (0.5pt), egi (0.5pt), actum (0.5pt)

Comments: it’s 3rd conjugation because the infinitive (second dictionary form) “–ere” ending shows it. If it were “–ére” with long vowel “é”, it would have been 2nd conjugation.

IV. RULES OF THE CERTAMEN LATINUM

One question a day will be posted, participants must send their answers
not to this e-mail address but to <cnaeus_cornelius@...>
within 24 hours of posting. Please do *not* post answers to the list!

The correct answers of the previous day and interim results will be announced together with the posting of the next questions.

SEE TODAY'S QUESTION ON OUR WEBSITE:
http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87563 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: a.d. III Non. Mar.
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem III Nones Martias; hodiernus dies comitialis est.

"When Aurora, Tithonus' bride, shall have begun
To shed dew from her saffron cheeks at the fifth dawn,
The constellation, whether you call it Arctophylax,
Or dull Bootes, will have been sinking, fleeing your sight.
But even the Grape-Gatherer will not yet have escaped you:
The origin of that star-name also can be swiftly told.
It's said that hairy Ampelus, son of a nymph and satyr,
Was loved by Bacchus, among the Ismarian hills:
The god entrusted him with a vine, trailing from an elm's
Leafy boughs, and the vine takes its name from the boy's.
While on a branch rashly picking the shining grapes.
He fell: but Liber raised the fallen youth to the stars." - Ovid,
Fasti III

"In the center [of the Shield of Herakles] was Phobos, worked in
adamant, unspeakable, staring backwards with eyes that glowed with
fire. His mouth was full of teeth in a white row, fearful and
daunting, and upon his grim brow hovered frightful Eris who arrays the
throng of men ... Upon the shield Proioxis and Palioxis were wrought,
and Homados, and Phobos, and Androktasie. Eris also, and Kydoimos were
hurrying about, and deadly Fate." - Shield of Heracles 139f

This month is dedicated to Mars, the god of War. Mars was a much more
personable deity than his Greek counterpart, Ares. Ares was pure
slaughter, unbridled ferocity in battle; Phobos was the
personification of fear and horror. He was the son of Ares and
Aphrodite. He, his brother Deimos, and the goddess Enyo accompanied
Ares into battle, along with his father's attendants, Trembling and
Panic. His Roman equivalent was Timor. Deimos was the personification
of dread. His Roman equivalent was Formido or Metus. Enyo was an
ancient goddess known by the epithet "Waster of Cities" and frequently
depicted as being covered in blood and carrying weapons of war. She
was frequently portrayed as a companion of Ares, the chief god of war,
and has been variously said to be his mother or sister. She was
occasionally said to be one of the Graeae.

Enyo's Roman counterpart, Bellona, like Ares's counterpart Mars, was
much more popular. She is believed to be one of the numinous gods of
the Romans (without a particular mythology and possibly of Etruscan
origin), and is supposed by many to have been the Romans' original war
deity, predating the identification of Mars with Ares. Her name,
Bellona, is derived from the Latin word for "war" (bellum), and is
directly related to the modern English word "belligerent" (lit.,
"war-bearing"). In art, she is portrayed with a helmet, sword, spear,
and torch.

Politically, all Senate meetings relating to foreign war were
conducted in the Templum Bellonae (Temple of Bellona) on the Collis
Capitolinus outside the pomerium. This temple was built in 296 B.C.

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87564 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Salve!

It never bodes well when I start out a post with a disclaimer but i this case I find it a necessity. I am not advocating the position taken below but am seeking to understand Nova Roma and its relationship to historical Roman society. As such I lay out the following questions not as a course to follow but an exercise seeking to stimulate discussion and force the answers I seek,

Roman society was a rigidly patriarchal society. The Roman household, the essential building block of Roman society, was a self contained economic and judicial unit composed of the pater familias, wife, children, servants, and slaves and his legal, social, and religious position as pater familias was defined as a microcosm of the Roman state as a whole. The mos maiorum defined his role within the familia, and the role of the familia within the state, and this consisted of one of the main building blocks of Roman society. Only a Roman male citizen could be a pater familias and he was responsible for its well-being, reputation and legal and moral propriety. He was responsible to enforce, if need be, his families adherence to the law and his role included priestly duties to the lares and penates and the ancestral gods of his own gens.

In public life, under the mos maiorum, the cursus honorum was only open to males. There were no female magistrates, priests, consuls, of pater familias. In short Roman society was a gender based rigidly patriarchal hierarchical society and had clearly defined gender based roles. Among the most famous of Roman women, Cornelia, mother of the Gracchi, comes down to us as exactly that, the mother of the Gracchi.

If Nova Roma is a society that seeks to replicate the ancient Roman Republic in all its forms, that seeks the best of the past applied to the present, that duplicates outmoded forms of address and dress, how does it justify the complete overturning of the essential building blocks of that society it seeks to emulate?

Was what made Rome great, and it is that greatness we seek to restore, the basic building blocks of its society? Isn't it this society, more so than the speech, dress, or food, that we seek? The mos maiorum, the cursus honorum, virtus, are all components we seek yet we turn them on their head so we now have the empty titles that have lost their flavor? Can a man truly seek to follow an old religion when he redefines it to fit modern day sensibilities and politically correct methods of thought.

And if we reject that that hierarchical society and the clearly defined gender roles that were a large component, are we truly seeking to emulate it, or just engage in dress up role playing?

Can a senator not be a pater familias in his own household if he has no living pater familias of his own?

And if so can a female be a pater familias in Nova Roma?

Vale!

G. Claudius Axenrothus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87565 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Certamen Historicum - Day 5 ANSWERS
Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus M. Pompeio Canino S.D.

Here are my answer for Day 5 of the Certamen Historicum.

> Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 5 - 05 March
> 9. Who were the aediles of Oppidum Bucurestium in the year 2761?
>
Answers Oppius Fabius Montanus (still currently æedile) and Fausta Maria
Bellatrix.
>
> 10. Who was the plebeian tribune who was born in 163 BC and would
> later be killed by the Boni due to his political agenda?
>
Answer: Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus. His politics, particularily his
Lex Sempronia Agraria, earned him lots of enemies, especially within the
conservative faction or the Roman senate, known as Optimates (best men)
or Boni (Good men).

Optime vale,
P. Ann. Con. Placidus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87566 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: a.d. IV Non. Mar.
Grati Liburnius. 

Ti. Marci Quadra


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From: Bruno Zani <reenbru@...>
To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] a.d. IV Non. Mar.


 
A. Liburnius Ti. Marcio Quadrae quiritibusque SPD
 
it translates as: today is the fourth day before the Nones of March; it is a "comitial" day,  i.e. the comitia (plebis, tributa and centuriata) can meet and vote.
 
Optime vale et valete

From: Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...>
To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] a.d. IV Non. Mar.

 
What does "Hodiernus dies est ante diem IV Nones Martias; haec dies comitialis est" mean?
Grati,
Ti. Marci Quadra

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87567 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C.Claudio Axenrotho Omnibusque S.P.D.

After reading this twice, I can see why you have posted a disclaimer. Yet
I still find this troubling(and most likely many of my gender). Are you
asking that we take this as role-play because there are women in roles that
were in Roman Antiquity, specifically and only for the masculine gender?
Could you clarify perhaps a bit more?

In the past, there have been many discussions pertaining the Mos Maiorum,
as we are still trying to define and have established a permanent
foundation for such said Mos Maiorum. I'm sure there will be others who
will reply to this thread, with more to say, I am waiting till the end of
the Ludi to reply further.

As for your query regarding Mater familias, there are those that are and
have been here in NR. As my previous gens, was headed by a member of the
feminine orgin.

Valete bene,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87568 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI 2765--Certamen Mythologicum (Dies /Day 5)
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.

Today is day five of the Mythology Quiz, each question is worth 3 points.
Please submit all answers to the following e-mail address
Musesdream@... subject header/"Mythology Quiz"..

***Special Note*** Please do not reply with answers on the Main List,
please submit them through private response only! See the questions below.

So far those who have entered the competition, have been keeping up with
each other and it is a tight race, but I urge more to enter and participate!

Bonam Fortunam (Good Luck) to all the participants!

Valete Optime,
Aeternia


*Dies 5: (Quirnus)*

1. In Roman mythology Quirnus is associated with which God?

2. Which set of Flamens strictly worshiped Quirnus?

3. True or False? Quirnus was part of the earlier Capitoline Triad?


--
"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87569 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Third quarter-final Race Report.
Salve amice!

Excellent writing! 

Vale!
 
M. Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis
Vivat Nova Roma!




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From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS <jbshr1pwa@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 11:57 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Third quarter-final Race Report.


 
Salvete omnes. Hello listeners.
Welcome to Nova Roma News Radio, broadcasting to you from the eternal city.

Today is day five of the Ludi Novi Romani, and our program starts with the third quarter-final race. Our reporter, Caeso Tarquinius Scipio, is down at the Circus Maximus – I believe he is down at the starting gates – so come in Scipio!

Yes, Salvete omnes, hello everyone. Today I'm down here at the circus, and I'm actually talking to you from behind the starting gates. I can tell you its all going on here with the chariots being given their last minute servicing, the drivers giving some final attention to the appearance of their faction colours, the horses being led out and harnessed to their chariots. The officials are trying to sort out who should be here and who should be chased away. There are so many fans wanting to give their best wishes to the aurigae, and perhaps try to unsettle the competition. The horses are whinnying, stamping and snorting with excitement, because they know a race is soon to start. And despite all the noise in here, I can hear the deafening roar of the crowd up in the stands who are growing impatient for the race to begin.

There's just time for me to tell you that the first race is between Spero of Rome, driving Elpidius, owned by L. Iulia Aquila and wearing Albata colours, Eudoxious driving Mellivora Capensis, owned by L. Cornelius Sulla Felix, for the Praesina faction, and Sartorius driving Ulpia Secunda, owned by C Aemilius Crassus in Russata colours. They are up against Amarach, a Celt, driving Taurus III, owned by P. Annaeus Cnstantinus Placidus also for Russata, and lastly Hanno Phoenicus driving Fulmen Punicum, wned by Tullius Valerianus Germanicus, the Veneta entry.

This looks like a strong entry, with a lot of experienced drivers. Spero of Rome is a citizen waiting to join the eagles, and his chariot is a simple wood and metal construction. His horses are plain, but look as if they have plenty of stamina. They'll need speed as well, though, to match Eudoxius on the straight. Sertorius is from Hispania, a former Centurion with a lot of racing experience. He is driving black Lusitanis, very good looking horses that we expect he will save for the final laps. Hanno Phoenicus seems to be a bit of an outsider, but we hear he can be aggressive and go all out to win.

Well, the race is soon to begin, so I'm quickly going to move out to the main stands where I can get a better view. The stands are packed – totam hodie Romam circus capit – all of Rome is at the circus today – and I need to hurry to the commentary box. I just need to dodge behind these girls wearing Veneta colours and waving their pom-poms. My word, they're a lively bunch and if their team has half as much energy they are bound to win. Catch you later, girls! But here we are at the commentary box, lets bring you up to date with the start. I can see the teams are in place behind the starting gates, and just appearing to start them off is M Pompeius Caninus ready to drop the starting flag. And there it goes, he drops the mappa, the gates fly open, and they're off!

They all tear out of the gates and down to the start of the first straight. Eudoxious for Praesina is pushing very close to Hanno of the Veneta as they find their line in the straight, but they've separated and are now all powering towards the first turn. The crowd, who were getting impatient for the start, are all yelling with excitement for their factions. Not much to choose between the drivers as they get to the end of the first straight, but I think Eudoxius is getting the best line as they go round this first turn.

And now they're coming back into view, and its Eudoxius by a head from Hanno, followed by Spero of Rome who is going very strong, then Sertorius and Amarach is last to go into the straight. They're really forcing their horses now as they go into the long straight, and the crowds on this side have a close-up view. The hooves are thundering towards us, the whips are cracking, oh my, there's a crash of wheels and Spero and Sertorius are right into each other. That's slowed them down, and Amarach has come though into third place, Spero dropping back into last place.

But now the action moves to the front of the field and its Hanno taking the lead, yes, Hanno has overtaken Eudoxius then its Amarach, then Sertorius followed by Spero. He doesn't look as if he has much hope there at the moment, but they're getting towards the next turn and Hanno is going well, followed by Eudoxius and Amarach in third place. They're well into the turn now and its hard to see who leads. As they start to come round on the other side its still Hanno in the lead, but it looks like Amarach is second with Eudoxius third, and then comes Spero, he's overtaken Sertorius on the bend.

On they go, into the long straight, and Hanno and Amarach are battling it out neck and neck and Spero is chasing Eudoxius hard. Sertorius is steadying his horses and beginning to pick up some more speed. And its Hanno in the lead, followed by Amarach, then Eudoxious closing up fast, and Spero and Sertorius some way back. They can't keep this speed up, surely. Which will win – speed or stamina?

But what's this, it looks as if there is another clash of wheels as Amarach tries to cut past Hanno before the turn. Yes, Amarach has managed to get through, and Russata fans are going mad as their team take the lead for the first time. Hanno has been thrown well to the side by that clash, and has completely lost the line as they go through the bend. Spero is now right on his heals, Hanno is firing his whip at Spero but Spero has put his head down and is urging his team on. The crowds are going mad as these two fight their way up the straight, and as they go into the turn Spero is pushing Hanno off line. I'm going to lose sight of them for a moment, but it looks as if Spero has got into second place. Eudoxius and Sertorius are still just getting to the turn, so they are still quite far back.

And here they come, its Amarach well clear from Spero and Hanno, then a gap, and now its Sertorius in fourth place from Eudoxius. It looks as if Eudoxius made a bad turn there and lost some ground. But there's still plenty of time to fight back. And now Spero is gaining ground on Amarach. My word, a contest between a Roman soldier and a Celt, - this has got the crowd more excited than ever. They are literally baying for blood! Spero is screaming at his horses, Amarach is whipping his on, they seem pretty well matched for speed as they hurtle down the straight. The Reds and the Whites are almost coming to blows in the stands, and the attendants are rushing to keep them apart. This is a real needle match, Roman versus Celt. They're right out ahead of the rest of the field now, but Spero can't catch him. This Celt seems to know how to get every ounce of speed out of his team.

And as they go down the straight its Hanno and Sertorius fighting for third place, with Eudoxius still trailing behind. Sertorius and Hanno are neck and neck as they race past the stands, and Sertorius has squeezed past and into third place. Eudoxius still in last place.
And now Spero is close behind Amarach as they go into the turn. Can Spero get a good line into that turn? He's taking it really close to the spina as he reaches the end of the straight, - now if he can save a few paces on the turn he will be close when they come out on the other side. They're round the corner now and out of view, and its Sertorius followed by Hanno, and after Hanno its Eudoxius finishing the field.

And here they come again, out of the turn, and the crowd are yelling like mad as Spero has done brilliantly on that turn. He's now close behind Amarach and looks set to catch him on this straight.

And as the rest come out of the turn its Hanno in third, he's overtaken Sertorius, and Eudoxius is challenging again for fourth place. As they storm up the straight its Spero and Amarach neck and neck, then a gap followed by Hanno, then Eudoxius and Sertorius neck and neck.

There's nothing in it between Spero and Amarach – they're using every trick to try to get past each other, but they're both too clever to let the other one get ahead. The lap markers are going down, the crowds are going mad, the noise is deafening, - I hope you can hear me talking – and listen to that, Eudoxius is gaining on – no – wait – oh my gosh, look at him go, he's taken fourth place, and is even moving up on Hanno for third. My oh my, the crowd that side are getting a wonderful spectacle as one and two, and then three and four fight it out on the straight. There's some tremendous yelling from the crowd – it looks like – yes Eudoxius has pushed Hanno across close to the spina, so that his wheel is screeching along the stonework. That's slowed him just enough to get past and into third place. Now its Praesina's turn to go wild and think of victory.

As they get towards the end of the straight its Spero with what looks like a good close line, and Amarach being pushed a little further out on the turn, I think Spero might make it on this turn. Then its Eudoxius coming on strongly, Hanno looking a bit tired, and Sertorius in the rear.

And now on the turn I wonder who will show first. Here they come, yes its Spero, he's done it. The crowd have gone wild, Rome has defeated the Celt. Looking across from my box I can see L. Iulia Aquila beaming with pride and delight and the Albata pom-poms are being thrown into the sky. The horses are all covered in foam as they come out of the turn. They've slowed quite a bit now to recover from that last lap. They need to find some energy now if they're going to finish this race. Amarach seems to have lost quite a bit of ground on the turn, which could allow Spero to rest his team a little on this next straight. He's keeping a close eye on Amarach to make sure he doesn't relax too much, but Amarach seems tired too.
Here comes number three, and Eudoxius has held off Hanno for third place, with Sertorius still in the rear. Sertorius isn't going very well at the moment, or perhaps he's resting his team ready for a big push. There's still time.

They're coming past us much slower this time, no changes of place, Spero and Amarach leading Eudoxius with Hanno and Sertorius behind. Spero looks as if he is carefully calculating the tactics for his next move, and Amarach seems to have lost some of his fight. But, what's this, Sertorius is suddenly beginning to pick up speed; he must have been resting his team on that last lap. Here he comes now, racing up from the back of the field. Hanno has seen him and is whipping up his team, but too late, Sertorius is neck and neck, and he's moving ahead, yes, he's overtaken him, and he's even moving up on Eudoxius. Well. ladies and gentlemen, we thought that this was going to be the quiet lap before the big finish, but I wasn't expecting that change of positions. Spero and Amarach are still clear at the front, but its Sertorius, Eudoxius and then Hanno at the rear. The crowd are thundering their applause at this sudden recovery, and as they go down the long
straight Sertorius is building up a clear gap between him and the last two teams.

Now they're into the turn, and we lose sight of them for a moment, but here they come again, and Spero and then Amarach are still in the lead, then its Sertorius who has built up more of a lead over Eudoxius and Hanno.

And as they move up the long straight, a fight is breaking out again between Spero and Amarach for first place. Amarach is ramming his team into Spero's, and sparks are flying off their wheels. Spero is trying to keep his team clear of the spina, but Amarach is pushing him closer and closer to it. Spero's face is clenched with determination and his tactics have become much more aggressive in response to this new attack from his enemy. As the lap marker falls, Spero makes a breathtaking drive to force Amarach out of the way. Spero now has the perfect line, close to the spina but with enough space to avoid being pinned against it. Amarach is falling back again now that his attempt has failed.

But look at the back of the field. Eudoxius has now rallied, and is challenging Sertorius for third place. My word, ladies and gentlemen, look at that team go. Those horses are really showing their grit as they power their way up the straight. They've left it a bit late, but if they can keep this up they could be in with a chance. The crowd are pounding on the benches as Eudoxius moves up, He's catching Sertorius now, and Sertorius doesn't have the strength to fight him off. They're neck and neck, there's nothing between them, now he's moving clear, clear by a head, clear by a length, oh this is truly magnificent. Praesina are roaring with delight and pride as their champion takes third place. He is still moving up as the leaders go into the turn.

And as they come back out of the turn I can tell you that its now Spero, still in the lead, from Amarach, but Eudoxius has closed right up on him, then a gap, then Sertorius and then Hanno. No change there right at the back. And now they're thundering towards us down the straight, much faster this time, they have got a second wind now and are going all out for victory. My word, ladies and gentlemen, the crowds are loving this race, just listen to the shouts and screams from out there...

But as they come near the stands, its Eudoxius giving a hard challenge to Amarach, and this time Amarach can't find the stamina to hold him off. Just look at that team go. The Praesina fans have now gone completely mad and are throwing pom-poms, food, anything they can get their hands on into the air and towards the Russata fans who are screaming in protest. They don't believe they have been forced back into third place.

At the turn its Spero from Eudoxius, then Amarach then a gap and then Sertorius and last Hanno. But at the last moment, as they take the turn, I can just see that Sertorius has found new strength. They've gone out of sight for a moment, but I bet you that the positions will have changed again when they get to the next straight.

And here they come back into the straight, and I can see that its Spero in the lead, then Eudoxius who has kept hold of his lead over Amarach, then Sertorius coming up close behind, and Hanno still trailing at the rear. Sertorius really is moving well, I'm told that this was his strategy, to hurry in the final laps, and that's just what he's doing. Just look at that team go!

Now they're well into the final straight, and its Spero in the lead, followed by Eudoxius, but Sertorius is challenging Amarach for third place, yes, its Sertorius gaining ground, they're neck and neck, Amarach doesn't have the energy to fight back, he's slipping behind, and as they cross the line its Spero of Rome, who wins, then Eudoxius, then Sertorius who is giving a huge hug to his horses who are absolutely covered in foam after their fantastic run, then Amarach who led the way for so much of the race but lacked the stamina at the end there. Bringing up the tail is Hanno Phoenicus, who showed good potential early on, but again didn't have the stamina to compete with the quality field here today.

Well folks, the army wins today, Spero of Rome who can join the Eagles proud of his win here in the Circus Maximus today, and Sertorius, the former Centurion.
Final positions are:-
Spero of Rome (L. Iulia Aquila)for Albata
Eudoxius (Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix)for Praesina
Sertorius (C Aemilius Crassus)for Russata
Amarach (P. Annaeus Constantinus Placidus)also for Russata
Hanno Phoenicus (Tu. Valerianus Germanicus, for Veneta.

So its more racing later today, folks.
And now back to the studio.
Valete omnes




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87570 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Salve!

"Yet I still find this troubling"

Troubling is good. Troubling usually means it has stimulated thought. Troubling should mean you have valid objections and can articulate them which will provide the answers to the questions I posed.

"Are you asking that we take this as role-play because there are women in roles that were in Roman Antiquity, specifically and only for the masculine gender?"

I am asking that if you disregard the basic foundational aspects of an ancient culture and society and adopt only the costumes, titles, and superficial mannerisms of that culture how is it different than role paying or reenacting?

I am trying to understand what, exactly, Nova Roma is.

"As my previous gens, was headed by a member of the feminine orgin."

I guess this gets to the heart of my question in that how do you square the circle?

Again, I am trying to understand what, exactly, Nova Roma is.

I'm not sure what a "member of the feminine orgin" is, I am thinking orgin is a typo (I know I make a lot of them myself) but for what word? But let's take what you said at face value without that word, the head of your gens is female, something that I think you would agree is a historical impossibility in ancient Rome.

What I am asking is how does Nova Roma balance the recreation of historical Roman society while introducing such historical impossibilities in the basic make up of society and what is the philosophical basis for such changes?

Is what Nova Roma is in effect saying is it is going to remake a historical patriarchal society in a non patriarchal manner and call it a restoration of that society? We can pick and choose what direction we want current society to go but we can't pick and choose the historical facts of how a prior society functioned.

What I want to understand is the valid philosophical base for changing the basic building blocks of a society and still calling the result a recreation of Roma?

As I said I am not advocating a position but try to understand the philosophical base of the organization I have joined.

Vale!

G. Claudius Axenrothus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87571 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Tribute to Quirinus
Tribute to Quirinus



When your feet stepped upon Earth,

When your eyes closed in mortal sleep,

You, Quirinus, founded a city:

You, Quirinus, forged a people:

You, Quirinus, gave Rome to the world



The Romans were your people

And returned veneration and honor

For your gifts, spoke of your great deeds;

We, Quirinus, are also your heirs, and we

Like our ancient ancestors, give you praise,

Do you honor, and carry your vision in trust.

That the light of Rome, and Nova Roma may flourish.



C. Maria Caeca

03/05/12


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87572 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Third quarter-final Race Report.
Salvete omnes!

It as indeed great reporting! I thoroughly enjoyed reading Crispus' ace report!

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87573 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Salve,

Please see commentary below. <<<snippage for brevity sake >>>>>


"As my previous gens, was headed by a member of the feminine orgin."
>
> I guess this gets to the heart of my question in that how do you square
> the circle?
>
> Again, I am trying to understand what, exactly, Nova Roma is.
>
> I'm not sure what a "member of the feminine orgin" is, I am thinking orgin
> is a typo (I know I make a lot of them myself) but for what word? But let's
> take what you said at face value without that word, the head of your gens
> is female, something that I think you would agree is a historical
> impossibility in ancient Rome.
>

SCJA- It's understandable that you want to know what *exactly* Nova Roma
is, but I don't think an *exact* answer can be given in the specifics you
are looking for. It seems you want something that is one would say "black
& white" clear, simple, and straightforward more or less to the point.
Where as Nova Roma has many shades of "gray, there is no *exact* answer for
any civis will give you a different answer on what Nova Roma is. Although
we are making many changes in NR, if you have not the archives of this year
(I suggest you should) so we may be getting closer to the precise answer
you are seeking. I have a question for you Axenrothe, is Nova Roma not
what you were looking for? One thing also society is never stagnant. Rome
least of all. That is why we are all prepared to resurrect it. Rome was
known for adapting conditions. The laws were gradually changed to give
women property rights, so 2000 years later you wouldn't think to see women
being mater familias?

>
> What I am asking is how does Nova Roma balance the recreation of
> historical Roman society while introducing such historical impossibilities
> in the basic make up of society and what is the philosophical basis for
> such changes?
>

SCJA- We live in Modern Era, so of course amenities have to be made. As
you have noticed we do not condone slavery here, another aspect that Roman
Antiquity was famous for. Every group of this nature (no matter which time
period) faces this as a common problem, if the changes are justifiable?
I think the philosophical basis is, we must make changes in order to fit
with modern society, else be truly shunned..

>
> Is what Nova Roma is in effect saying is it is going to remake a
> historical patriarchal society in a non patriarchal manner and call it a
> restoration of that society? We can pick and choose what direction we want
> current society to go but we can't pick and choose the historical facts of
> how a prior society functioned.
>

SCJA- I know you have stated you want to know what Nova Exactly is. We are
try to recreate an Ancient Culture to a modern world, again as stated
earlier amenities have been made. Which are necessary unless you want all
of the Matrons in Nova Roma to just be "Mothers" and nothing more.


>
> What I want to understand is the valid philosophical base for changing the
> basic building blocks of a society and still calling the result a
> recreation of Roma?
>
> As I said I am not advocating a position but try to understand the
> philosophical base of the organization I have joined.
>

SCJA- Understandable, although with respect I don't agree based on your
"tone" of the e-mail however I could be misinterpreting such said tone. I'm
going with the option of lets agree to simply disagree on such statement.

Vale bene,
Aeternia

>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87574 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Ave!

Did you read the FAQ on the website - before you joined NR?

Vale,

Sulla

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Yehya <yehya_61@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Salve!
>
> It never bodes well when I start out a post with a disclaimer but i this
> case I find it a necessity. I am not advocating the position taken below
> but am seeking to understand Nova Roma and its relationship to historical
> Roman society. As such I lay out the following questions not as a course to
> follow but an exercise seeking to stimulate discussion and force the
> answers I seek,
>
> Roman society was a rigidly patriarchal society. The Roman household, the
> essential building block of Roman society, was a self contained economic
> and judicial unit composed of the pater familias, wife, children, servants,
> and slaves and his legal, social, and religious position as pater familias
> was defined as a microcosm of the Roman state as a whole. The mos maiorum
> defined his role within the familia, and the role of the familia within the
> state, and this consisted of one of the main building blocks of Roman
> society. Only a Roman male citizen could be a pater familias and he was
> responsible for its well-being, reputation and legal and moral propriety.
> He was responsible to enforce, if need be, his families adherence to the
> law and his role included priestly duties to the lares and penates and the
> ancestral gods of his own gens.
>
> In public life, under the mos maiorum, the cursus honorum was only open to
> males. There were no female magistrates, priests, consuls, of pater
> familias. In short Roman society was a gender based rigidly patriarchal
> hierarchical society and had clearly defined gender based roles. Among the
> most famous of Roman women, Cornelia, mother of the Gracchi, comes down to
> us as exactly that, the mother of the Gracchi.
>
> If Nova Roma is a society that seeks to replicate the ancient Roman
> Republic in all its forms, that seeks the best of the past applied to the
> present, that duplicates outmoded forms of address and dress, how does it
> justify the complete overturning of the essential building blocks of that
> society it seeks to emulate?
>
> Was what made Rome great, and it is that greatness we seek to restore, the
> basic building blocks of its society? Isn't it this society, more so than
> the speech, dress, or food, that we seek? The mos maiorum, the cursus
> honorum, virtus, are all components we seek yet we turn them on their head
> so we now have the empty titles that have lost their flavor? Can a man
> truly seek to follow an old religion when he redefines it to fit modern day
> sensibilities and politically correct methods of thought.
>
> And if we reject that that hierarchical society and the clearly defined
> gender roles that were a large component, are we truly seeking to emulate
> it, or just engage in dress up role playing?
>
> Can a senator not be a pater familias in his own household if he has no
> living pater familias of his own?
>
> And if so can a female be a pater familias in Nova Roma?
>
> Vale!
>
> G. Claudius Axenrothus
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87575 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Salve!

"I have a question for you Axenrothe, is Nova Roma not what you were looking for?"

I don't know. One of the difficulties is you don't really begin to understand what Nova Roma is until after you join as the forum and other information is blocked from non members. So essentially you must join to see if you want to join.

"One thing also society is never stagnant. Rome least of all. That is why we are all prepared to resurrect it. Rome was known for adapting conditions. The laws were gradually changed to give women property rights, so 2000 years later you wouldn't think to see women being mater familias?"

Would we see women being mater familias 2000 years later? Again I don't know. Rome seemed to be, on balance, a conservative and very family oriented society that did, as you state adapt to conditions. And we see in modern Italy a culture that has adapted to modern sensibilities, except perhaps in the Roman Catholic church.

But then in counterpoint I have to ask:

If the world, and society, have advanced so much in the past 2,000 years socially, and the advances have been, on balance, for the better, why the need to recreate an ancient culture? Isn't there a longing to seek in the past something missing from today's culture and if that is so why seek to recast the past using today's cultural mores? Is there not a danger of destroying what you seek to recreate by trying to fit it into todays mores?

"SCJA- We live in Modern Era, so of course amenities have to be made. As you have noticed we do not condone slavery here, another aspect that Roman Antiquity was famous for. Every group of this nature (no matter which time period) faces this as a common problem, if the changes are justifiable?
I think the philosophical basis is, we must make changes in order to fit with modern society, else be truly shunned."

Interesting. In other words you are trying to adapt ancient Roman practices to the modern era? Aren't you concerned that with the need to give up so much you loose the content of the past and will end up with little more than the costume?

Being shunned never bothered me, nor did the need to fit with modern society. I have always followed the dictates of my own conscience regardless of current social customs. For instance I believe in a personal code of conduct and personal honor, both concepts that are surrently out of fashion.

"SCJA- I know you have stated you want to know what Nova Exactly is. We are try to recreate an Ancient Culture to a modern world, again as stated earlier amenities have been made. Which are necessary unless you want all of the Matrons in Nova Roma to just be "Mothers" and nothing more."

Again I have to ask, if the changes you need to make to that ancient culture are to change the fundamental building blocks of its social fabric, what are you left with? An ancient culture recreated in a mdoern setting, or a costume drama?

"SCJA- Understandable, although with respect I don't agree based on your "tone" of the e-mail however I could be misinterpreting such said tone. I'm going with the option of lets agree to simply disagree on such statement."

Interesting that you would interpret a clear statement of fact on my part based on the perceived "tone" of my post.

I am simply trying to lay out a position so that I get the desired response. I am not advocating a position, yet, just gathering facts. I often find an adversarial argument is the fastest way to elicit the required information and I know no other way except to forcefully advocate whatever position I am adopting for the purposes of discussion. If I don't challenge the validity of the information being given me enough to satisfy an average observer who gains from the discussion? This is how the basic Socratic method of discourse has worked for 2,500 years

Vale!

G. Claudius Axenorothus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87576 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Salve!

"Did you read the FAQ on the website - before you joined NR?"

Yes I did including the section on Nova Roma, women, and the "backwards" practices of our ancestors. It states the what quite clearly (nor am I challenging it) but not the why. It is the why I am questioning.

I am assuming that this has all been gone through before when the initial policy was set. So I assume the philosophical basis and the ramifications of recasting a patriarchal society manner in a non patriarchal way have been clearly articulated somewhere?

Salve!

G. Claudius Axenrothus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87577 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Tribute to Quirinus
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C. Mariae Caecae sal!

I am left in awe, another beautiful devotional.


Gratias tib (Thank you) Caeca!

Vale quam Optime,
Aeternia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87578 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Et Mos Maiorum Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Iulia Corneliae Aeterniae C.Claudio Axenrotho Omnibusque S.P.D

LIA: Excellent subject for many reasons. You should not need a disclaimer to discuss ancient Roman aspects, but I am a bit more lenient than most;) The subject of Paterfamilias as seen in Nova Roma for Roman's of a new age which opens up and even wider subject and in some cases lively conversations regarding just how much of the old Republic in our everyday modern lives.

Example - Roman Clothing: Speaking for myself, I am not fond of Roman clothing because there is too much cloth to keep track of. Basic, simple reason, I do not find it comfortable for normal everyday functions of modern life although occasionally I will wear a short tunica around the house. I will don appropriate clothing for ritual however – but this is an important part of ritual even so I wear a Khiton and a head covering – I do not wear a palla because it is a fire hazard.

I do know citizens who do wear Roman Clothing throughout the day but it is usually a short tunic/a. Magistra Scholastica and the Rota family wears Roman Clothing with some frequency.

Growing up in a household with a rich Roman, and stoic, heritage many of my customs and traditions have a very Roman flavor, including the religio (we were/are not Pagan, Christian etc) and like Romans we have enjoyed and respected others traditions, customs and religions. My father, his brothers, my grandparents all spoke and conversed in Latin – esp. when discussing business. They also spoke Italian and French, amongst others including dialects. Most of the males were in the armed services where they served proudly. Our heritage is also in the foods we eat, the way we prepared the food. It is our daily functions, our mores, our behavior, our thoughts, and our hearts. This is part of Mos Maiorum, how one's behavior, traditions and customs reflect the best of Rome.

Another part of this "mos maiorum" is the ability to advance, to be innovative and to take these advancements and innovations to the best use.
The mos maiorum is a living evolving unwritten code, ancestral customs from one generation to another per the Roman family and society in which they live. The family and society has changed from Roman times and so we will have a modern mos maiorum. In my family I have no question of our private mos maiorum and religio.


>Aeternia: "we are still trying to define and have established a permanent foundation for such said Mos Maiorum."

LIA: Here in Nova Roma or anywhere for that matter, we cannot legislate, define or dictate mos maiorum, esp. one that is still in infancy and we have yet to even begin to form cohesively because of the swift turnover of citizens and the disequilibrium of infighting that has plagued this yet young respublica.
The mos maiorum is a is a result of our breathing living ideology of Rome's customs, traditions, mores – as Seutonius said: "All new that is done contrary to the usage and the customs of our ancestors, seems not to be right." But because the mos maiorum was a matter of custom, not written law, the complex norms it embodied evolved over time. "

Overtime. This is how the mos maiorum of Nova Roma will be formed, not through dissection, definition, legislation etc. etc. To attempt to do so will not improve or further the mos maiorum, nor will it negate it – it is simply not applicable.

GCA: "Roman society was a rigidly patriarchal society"

LIA: Not too long ago so was most of Western Society – in some cases more rigid than others, and in many cases there is still an element of this today partly because it is a primal instinct that the most powerful in the unit is the leader or head. By the 1960's this began to change but there are numerous traditional family units still where the male is the unofficial head of the house – still part of the old Western Mos Maiorum that is changing towards a new Western Mos Maiorum more in line with today's world. Single Parents, female head of households, People who do not wish to enter into family life choosing career over family etc.

Our modern mos maiorum is a chiaroscuro of ideologies, traditions, mores etc. But this is the nature of the mos maiorum.
We can explore the NATURE of the mos maiorum, but we can NOT legislate or dictate what by its very nature is not applicable.

GCA:"The Roman household, the essential building block of Roman society, was a self contained economic and judicial unit composed of the pater familias, wife, children, servants, and slaves and his legal, social, and religious position as pater familias was defined as a microcosm of the Roman state as a whole."

LIA: Perfect example of the mos maiorum's abilty to change compared to modern life. That is an integral part of the mos maiorum, without change, or dynamic complement to legislation, there would be no mos maiorum. Slavery is illegal, Women and Men now have equals rights, as do children and they are protected from parents who do not respect these rights, and we now have anti-discrimination laws and so on.

So as society evolves so does the mos maiorum.

We are not patriarchal in the ancient way (many laws we would break) as a society although in private families there may still be an element of seemingly patriarchal evidence. But we have a choice now, some families may designate one or the other partner to handle bills, work, dealing with the outside world and the other deals with the home and children. These tasks (and similar public componants) will always exist as basic building blocks of our society but our modern society is changing them to be the new tradition rather than what they have been called at one point as "non-tradition."

The most Roman aspect we can all adopt is continually moving forward, continual progress. Without which mos maiorum can't exist.

GCA: Isn't it this society, more so than the speech,dress, or food, that we seek

LIA: But it is through speech, dress and food that we communicate our Mos Maiorum, and in very significant ways, one can tell a lot from a society from these aspects. I think you might have meant this as a rhetorical question, but I had to address it.

GCA: "the mos maiorum, the cursus honorum, virtus, are all components we seek yet we turn them on their head so we now have the empty titles that have lost their flavor?"

Possibly again a rhetorical question. The cursus honorum and the virtues are part of the mos maiorum. Virtues, like the mos maiorum, cannot be truly defined because they are demonstrated. They can only truly be defined in context to the person who displays them in an action.
The cursus honorum has always been respected in Nova Roma, some have not taken in a linear fashion because of a need in this young respublica, but do not think for one moment that is not part of our respublica. "Warm bodies" and title-lovers have existed since ancient times; it is not optimal but happens. I am not a appreciative of "warm bodies" or title-lovers, however when they prove they rise to the occasion then I am pleasantly glad.

GCA: "Can a man truly seek to follow an old religion when he redefines it to fit modern day sensibilities and politically correct methods of thought."

Of course, as can a woman. My recent ancestors handled it nicely and to me it is natural.

GCA: "And if we reject that that hierarchical society and the clearly defined gender roles that were a large component, are we truly seeking to emulate it, or just engage in dress up role playing?"

The first thing is relinquish the idea of Role Playing, it has no place in the respublic (unless it is done as a game in your own domus or even in a tavern, for example). I cannot speak for everyone as we all have our own reasons for joining which stems from our Love of Roman Culture. There is so much to Roman Culture, it is infused in Western, and in some Eastern cultures as well. Our US laws are based on Roma Law, some of our foods, clothing – gowns based on Greco-Roman design appoint proms all over the US, our architecture, arts etc. We can, like any society, discard what doesn't work, what is against the law, against our mores etc and still have enough, more than enough, to build out respublica and form a mos maiorum that even the Gods would be proud of, the ancestors would be proud of and that we can be proud of and live with.

GCA: "Can a senator not be a pater familias in his own household if he has no living pater familias of his own?"

Sure, why not? This is in his private home and with his own family.

GCA: "And if so can a female be a pater familias in Nova Roma?"

Sure, I am materfamilias in my family.

What are historical impossibilities according to a corresponding ancient mos maiorum are now subject to modern and updated possibilities – and by its nature our mos maiorum will reflect this.

Vale, et valete optime,
Julia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Yehya" <yehya_61@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salve!
>
> "Yet I still find this troubling"
>
> Troubling is good. Troubling usually means it has stimulated thought. Troubling should mean you have valid objections and can articulate them which will provide the answers to the questions I posed.
>
> "Are you asking that we take this as role-play because there are women in roles that were in Roman Antiquity, specifically and only for the masculine gender?"
>
> I am asking that if you disregard the basic foundational aspects of an ancient culture and society and adopt only the costumes, titles, and superficial mannerisms of that culture how is it different than role paying or reenacting?
>
> I am trying to understand what, exactly, Nova Roma is.
>
> "As my previous gens, was headed by a member of the feminine orgin."
>
> I guess this gets to the heart of my question in that how do you square the circle?
>
> Again, I am trying to understand what, exactly, Nova Roma is.
>
> I'm not sure what a "member of the feminine orgin" is, I am thinking orgin is a typo (I know I make a lot of them myself) but for what word? But let's take what you said at face value without that word, the head of your gens is female, something that I think you would agree is a historical impossibility in ancient Rome.
>
> What I am asking is how does Nova Roma balance the recreation of historical Roman society while introducing such historical impossibilities in the basic make up of society and what is the philosophical basis for such changes?
>
> Is what Nova Roma is in effect saying is it is going to remake a historical patriarchal society in a non patriarchal manner and call it a restoration of that society? We can pick and choose what direction we want current society to go but we can't pick and choose the historical facts of how a prior society functioned.
>
> What I want to understand is the valid philosophical base for changing the basic building blocks of a society and still calling the result a recreation of Roma?
>
> As I said I am not advocating a position but try to understand the philosophical base of the organization I have joined.
>
> Vale!
>
> G. Claudius Axenrothus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87579 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
In a message dated 3/5/2012 10:17:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
yehya_61@... writes:

What I am asking is how does Nova Roma balance the recreation of
historical Roman society while introducing such historical impossibilities in the
basic make up of society and what is the philosophical basis for such changes?

Is what Nova Roma is in effect saying is it is going to remake a
historical patriarchal society in a non patriarchal manner and call it a restoration
of that society? We can pick and choose what direction we want current
society to go but we can't pick and choose the historical facts of how a prior
society functioned.
----------------
I think the problem is correctly imagined by asking what would the Romans
do?

Today's women are educated, and free. They are not held by manus and they
are signely well informed.

The question is better asked would the Romans eventually allow education
for women? If the late Byzantine empire was any example then yes, the trend
was moving in that direction. It also might be that the Ottoman's with
their Muslim confinement of women as chattel and in harems, were a direct
example of the opposite of the Christian religion which strived to be an
alternative.

One famous Nova Roman told me once, that the Catholic Church was the
embodiment of Rome today, and they did not allow female popes, cardinals,
priests. So it could be assumed that the Romans would hold to their status quo.

While the Catholic and Eastern Rite Churches might engender Roman
tradition contained with in their ceremonies, to call them Romanized is frankly
nonsense. The Christian religion offered hope in a time of extreme crisis,
and the Old Gods had seemingly abandoned Rome. The religion was one of many
alternatives that might have been. Christianity was done a huge favor by
the ascension of Flavius Theodosius to the purple, not only was he a great
military leader, which restored Rome's confidence in the Imperial system,
but he eliminated all the rivals to Christianity in 391. He was able to do
this by stabilizing Rome's borders enough to allow him to look inward.

I believe once the Romans allowed education to women of the upper classes
the genie would be out of the bottle, and eventually they would occupy
increasing important positions of authority in the power structure.

Much like they do in today's Nova Roma.

Q. Fabius Maximus




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87580 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Ave!

I would think the why is obvious, especially after reading the FAQ. But, if
it is not, lets carry out a bit of an exercise, if you dont mind. Nova
Roma does not condone slavery. ;) So, let me ask you why do you think
Nova Roma would not condone nor seek in any way to have bring back the
institution of slavery?

Can you think of some reasons?

Vale,

Sulla

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Yehya <yehya_61@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Salve!
>
>
> "Did you read the FAQ on the website - before you joined NR?"
>
> Yes I did including the section on Nova Roma, women, and the "backwards"
> practices of our ancestors. It states the what quite clearly (nor am I
> challenging it) but not the why. It is the why I am questioning.
>
> I am assuming that this has all been gone through before when the initial
> policy was set. So I assume the philosophical basis and the ramifications
> of recasting a patriarchal society manner in a non patriarchal way have
> been clearly articulated somewhere?
>
> Salve!
>
> G. Claudius Axenrothus
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87581 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Salve1

What I was looking for exactly!

"So, let me ask you why do you think Nova Roma would not condone nor seek in any way to have bring back the institution of slavery?

Can you think of some reasons?"

Legalities would first come to mind. That a private organization could exclude one gender from the decision making process is not illegal under today's laws so questioning it, or advocating for it, is not advocating an illegal action. Remember perhaps two thirds of the worlds population today lives under social conditions far closer to the patriarchy of Roman times then the modern Western gender equality that comes from the post feminist world.

Slavery, on the other hand, although probably more widely practiced today then in Roman times (estimates range from 12 million to 27 million slaves in the world today) is illegal in all countries so advocating for slavery is advocating for an illegal act. Interesting that such an illegal act has so many adherents.

Then there is a moral aspect to slavery, just as there is a moral aspect to any patriarchal organization. Yet Nova Roma is a completely voluntary organization and membership within Nova Roma strictly voluntary as well. Technically as membership is voluntary then slavery itself would need to be voluntary, a concept in and of itself somewhat of an oxymoron (although many educated slaves in Roman times were voluntary, seeking to better their condition by being owned by a wealthy Roman family).

And although not legally binding many people in modern countries do enter into voluntary agreements that are little better than slavery for one of the parties involved. So to many the voluntary aspect of these agreements remove the moral stigma associated with the concept of human bondage.

So the simple fact is for Nova Roma to advocate or give sanction to slavery, even voluntary slavery, is for it to advocate or sanction an illegal action. The two concepts are not analogous.

Vale!

G.Claudius Axenrothus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87582 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
In a message dated 3/5/2012 1:42:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
robert.woolwine@... writes:

I would think the why is obvious, especially after reading the FAQ. But, if
it is not, lets carry out a bit of an exercise, if you dont mind. Nova
Roma does not condone slavery. ;) So, let me ask you why do you think
Nova Roma would not condone nor seek in any way to have bring back the
institution of slavery?

Oh gods I'm tired of this Strawman argument.

Slavery was a major economical force in the late Republic and Imperial
Rome.

Why?

Because of their wars They took thousands of people prisoners. These
ended up as slaves.

The Romans even destroyed the Rhodean economy by making Delos the major
slave clearing house for Slave auctions. (Much like Jamaica in the 1800s.)
The Romans had plans for a steam engine in the first century AD. A Greek
had designed it. It was rejected. The Senate (Emperor) decided it would
be bad for the Roman economy. Labor saving devices meant less slaves. He
totally missed that mark. The Cotton Gin made for an increase in slave
labor in the US South since more land could be planted and its cotton
extracted economically.

Interestingly enough, as the Empire declined the POWs ended up in the Roman
army since they needed manpower. The Empire was spending money on their
slaves rather then making it.

We don't have slaves today because its a moral issue with us. That is
because we don't buy into the Lesser then Human philosophy. We believe all
men are created equal (except the rich ones, of course.)

In Africa in the endless tribal wars the rulers do not, and guess what?
They have a slave trade. The Arabs are really no better though they conceal
it much better.

Q. Fabius Maximus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87583 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Fabius, no one is bringing up a strawman argument for or against slavery.
I just used the topic of slavery as a means to answer the question
regarding the role of woman in Nova Roma vs ancient Rome.

Vale,

Sulla

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:07 PM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/5/2012 1:42:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> robert.woolwine@... writes:
>
> I would think the why is obvious, especially after reading the FAQ. But, if
> it is not, lets carry out a bit of an exercise, if you dont mind. Nova
> Roma does not condone slavery. ;) So, let me ask you why do you think
>
> Nova Roma would not condone nor seek in any way to have bring back the
> institution of slavery?
>
> Oh gods I'm tired of this Strawman argument.
>
> Slavery was a major economical force in the late Republic and Imperial
> Rome.
>
> Why?
>
> Because of their wars They took thousands of people prisoners. These
> ended up as slaves.
>
> The Romans even destroyed the Rhodean economy by making Delos the major
> slave clearing house for Slave auctions. (Much like Jamaica in the 1800s.)
> The Romans had plans for a steam engine in the first century AD. A Greek
> had designed it. It was rejected. The Senate (Emperor) decided it would
> be bad for the Roman economy. Labor saving devices meant less slaves. He
> totally missed that mark. The Cotton Gin made for an increase in slave
> labor in the US South since more land could be planted and its cotton
> extracted economically.
>
> Interestingly enough, as the Empire declined the POWs ended up in the
> Roman
> army since they needed manpower. The Empire was spending money on their
> slaves rather then making it.
>
> We don't have slaves today because its a moral issue with us. That is
> because we don't buy into the Lesser then Human philosophy. We believe all
> men are created equal (except the rich ones, of course.)
>
> In Africa in the endless tribal wars the rulers do not, and guess what?
> They have a slave trade. The Arabs are really no better though they
> conceal
> it much better.
>
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87584 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Cn. Caesar C. Claudio sal.

You ask questions that have been asked since Nova Roma was first founded, and will likely continue to be asked every now and then because as you say “Again I don't know.” Neither does anyone else know what Rome would or would not have been. We can guess and extrapolate. Quintus Maximus gave a reasoned example of that, which I agree with.

By necessity Nova Roma has to function within the parameters of the outside world. This is the world that regulates macronational laws which we and Nova Roma are bound by. So certain aspects of Romanitas, slavery, deaths in the arena, child prostitution etc. are never going to be accepted either by Nova Romans (because their mores forbid it – the ones they were raised by), nor by the outside world even were we to espouse them – which we will not. Rigid adherence to the tenets of reconstruction is not something for example the Senate could adhere to, for the simple reason that we are bound by the Constitution to respect macronational laws, so that precludes discriminatory practices. Part of the Senate’s responsibilities is the protection of Nova Roma’s funds so it can take no action that might see judicial fines levied against its corporate entity. Nova Roma is not incorporated as a church, and while that might afford some protection in the USA were it to be so, other countries permit no discrimination and since we are international in our reach we have to be equally cognizant of those laws.

The other question with rigid reconstruction, is where to put the clock to? At what point in Rome’s timeline? Opinions vary on that. The social mores of the empire would be radically different from those of the mid-republic. So wherever one puts the clock to, for the organization, there is a risk that something will be lost – from someone’s perspective. Some would say we seem to have effectively modelled the late republic, given our penchant for civil wars.

“Interesting. In other words you are trying to adapt ancient Roman practices to the modern era? Aren't you concerned that with the need to give up so much you loose the content of the past and will end up with little more than the costume?”

We have no choice but to adapt as I stated above. Nova Roma was never conceived as an organization that would adapt to a point in history and shun everything since. Being here on the internet would be a failure in that respect. Take it to the extreme, why bother with electricity? Use a small oil lamp. Dump your car and buy a horse and ride it to work. Rip out your gas boiler and install a wood furnace, and run channels under your floors. Punch a hole in your roof to create an authentic atrium. How far does one take it. That is the key – how far does “one” take it. Nova Roma cannot dictate such choices, either legally or practically. The level to which someone takes reconstruction is a measure of their own personal Romanitas, neither better or worse than another’s. The issues that you speak of, the family, the role of the paterfamilias, they are all matters for the family, the individuals that make up the community. Nova Roma provides the republican state “shell”, but what you do with your own Romanitas, how it is developed, shaped, moulded, is your concern.

We can develop a sense of communal Romanitas, but again that has to be a reflection of the realities of life in this century and its mores. What you inflict on any wife you may or may not have, what she is willing to accept, what you inflict on your children, is down to you, but again I suspect you will find yourself quickly subject to the laws of the macronational world if what you do transcends the moral and legal mores of our times and your nation’s criminal code. All life is balance, and so too is Nova Roma’s journey towards a community sense of Romanitas, and so too is it for individuals. The goal is to keep as much of the past as we can and avoid ending up with just a costume. There is no instruction manual for any of this, so it will be trial and error. As consul I cannot offer you a package of goods such as an inflatable Rome of the republican period, or the imperial age, with everyone here espousing the mores that you would have found in Rome of the republic, or any other time. Now can any other group that is being honest about its interactions with the world. I cannot, nor should I, tell you how to live your Romanitas, and neither incidentally should you tell others. That is a personal journey as I say. You can argue about community Romanitas with the rest of us, as frequently happens, but that MUST be with the understanding we, as the collective community of Nova Roma, operate within macronational laws and mores. Beyond that the scroll is blank waiting to be written upon.

If you seek concrete absolute answers, you will not get them, for there are none for the reasons above.

Optime vale




From: Yehya
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:04 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma


Salve!

"I have a question for you Axenrothe, is Nova Roma not what you were looking for?"

I don't know. One of the difficulties is you don't really begin to understand what Nova Roma is until after you join as the forum and other information is blocked from non members. So essentially you must join to see if you want to join.

"One thing also society is never stagnant. Rome least of all. That is why we are all prepared to resurrect it. Rome was known for adapting conditions. The laws were gradually changed to give women property rights, so 2000 years later you wouldn't think to see women being mater familias?"

Would we see women being mater familias 2000 years later? Again I don't know. Rome seemed to be, on balance, a conservative and very family oriented society that did, as you state adapt to conditions. And we see in modern Italy a culture that has adapted to modern sensibilities, except perhaps in the Roman Catholic church.

But then in counterpoint I have to ask:

If the world, and society, have advanced so much in the past 2,000 years socially, and the advances have been, on balance, for the better, why the need to recreate an ancient culture? Isn't there a longing to seek in the past something missing from today's culture and if that is so why seek to recast the past using today's cultural mores? Is there not a danger of destroying what you seek to recreate by trying to fit it into todays mores?

"SCJA- We live in Modern Era, so of course amenities have to be made. As you have noticed we do not condone slavery here, another aspect that Roman Antiquity was famous for. Every group of this nature (no matter which time period) faces this as a common problem, if the changes are justifiable?
I think the philosophical basis is, we must make changes in order to fit with modern society, else be truly shunned."

Interesting. In other words you are trying to adapt ancient Roman practices to the modern era? Aren't you concerned that with the need to give up so much you loose the content of the past and will end up with little more than the costume?

Being shunned never bothered me, nor did the need to fit with modern society. I have always followed the dictates of my own conscience regardless of current social customs. For instance I believe in a personal code of conduct and personal honor, both concepts that are surrently out of fashion.

"SCJA- I know you have stated you want to know what Nova Exactly is. We are try to recreate an Ancient Culture to a modern world, again as stated earlier amenities have been made. Which are necessary unless you want all of the Matrons in Nova Roma to just be "Mothers" and nothing more."

Again I have to ask, if the changes you need to make to that ancient culture are to change the fundamental building blocks of its social fabric, what are you left with? An ancient culture recreated in a mdoern setting, or a costume drama?

"SCJA- Understandable, although with respect I don't agree based on your "tone" of the e-mail however I could be misinterpreting such said tone. I'm going with the option of lets agree to simply disagree on such statement."

Interesting that you would interpret a clear statement of fact on my part based on the perceived "tone" of my post.

I am simply trying to lay out a position so that I get the desired response. I am not advocating a position, yet, just gathering facts. I often find an adversarial argument is the fastest way to elicit the required information and I know no other way except to forcefully advocate whatever position I am adopting for the purposes of discussion. If I don't challenge the validity of the information being given me enough to satisfy an average observer who gains from the discussion? This is how the basic Socratic method of discourse has worked for 2,500 years

Vale!

G. Claudius Axenorothus





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87585 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
In a message dated 3/5/2012 2:09:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
robert.woolwine@... writes:

Fabius, no one is bringing up a strawman argument for or against slavery.
I just used the topic of slavery as a means to answer the question
regarding the role of woman in Nova Roma vs ancient Rome.

I all ready answered that question. If he cannot grasp the concept that's
his problem.

Q. Fabius Maximus




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87586 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Female Roman Citizens Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Iulia Omnibusque S.P.D

Based on a philological discussion with Petronius last year regarding the meaning of words used in relation to Female Roman citizens:

Matronae
This is used married woman, divorcee or widow who has had children. I am a matron because I have been married and have children. Mothers are also referred to as Matris (Matres, Mater).

Domina
Married women only, with or without children. But as Petronius pointed out this also means the woman has slaves or is "boss." So i may continue to use this during the Ludi in my role as Albata boss;)

Virgo
Refers to unmarried women who have never been married and are therefore considered Virgo.- unless they are concubines or prostitutes - then the label that fits is used. Praetrix Aeternia and Censor Scholastica fit this category

Feminae
Refers to any female. Aedile Maria fits this category (as do I, Magistra and Aeternia;))

Valete optime,
Julia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87587 From: C. Maria Caeca Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
C. Maria G. Claudio Axenrotho, L. Juliae Aquilae, Sta. Corneliae Aeterniae, Q. Fabio Maximo, L. Cornelio Sullae omnibusque S.P,. D.



Societies, ancient and modern must, in order to succeed, reflect their time. If they don't, they cannot function, but become isolated enclaves, espousing their own cultural habitat, and, without interaction with cultures around them, they wither.



Nova Roma is no different. We are not trying to clone ancient Rome, although ancient Rome, it's culture, legal system and other less tangible aspects are our foundation. We are not attempting to be ancient Romans, out of place and out of time. What we are doing is more difficult, because we are attempting to re-create an essentially Roman society in a way that can, and will function fully in a modern setting. If we had a physical presence, and an army, trust me, our soldiers would not be limited to fighting with gladii. We don't have a physical presence at this time, so we are developing our culture, and that culture will have differences, because we are not tying to "stop the clock" and go back to what was. In it's time, Rome was at the forefront of progress and development, and by the end of the Roman empire, much had changed from the beginnings of that first little village known as Rome.



I do not think that what we are doing is a diminishment in any way of Roman culture or history, but rather an extension of it, given changes which, had Rome survived as a non-Christian nation might well have made. We are not "pretend" Romans, nor do we see ourselves as playing roles with nothing but old names. Yes, we have women who are heads of households, and even founders of Gentes. Yes, women can now take part in our political life, and do, admirably. Yes, the Corsus Honorum is open to women, not in contrast to Rome, or even as a politically convenient compromise to modern sensibilities, but because we are NEW Romans, and, like our eminently practical chosen ancestors, we, through our own cultural experiences, have learned that such roles and duties are not gender specific in their function. In other words, we do these jobs because we can, and we can do them well.



I think that it is fitting and even fortunate, that this discussion takes place during the Ludi tat celebrate the funding of Nova Roma, because these Ludi also celebrate its development and vibrant future.



Valete bene



C. Maria Caeca


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87588 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: LUDI NOVI ROMANI - Latin Contest #3
***Answer in private message to <cnaeus_cornelius@...>, NOT TO the mailing list!***
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Cn. Lentulus scriba aedilicius Quiritibus: S. P. D.


I am very proud that 2 new competitors joined to the race: M. Pompeius Caninus and L. Aelia Corva, a brand new citizen! But braver than many veterans! That's a true Roman spirit. Thank you, fine citizens, you show your commitment and dedication to our Nova Roma wonderfully! Now, let's the real race start! But still, we need more... Come out from your caves, shy Romans. Come on, show you can do it. It's your language! :)

Those who participate will learn the full structure of Latin within 10 days! Is not it worth a try? Senators, priests? You MUST try it. We have now M. Pompeius Caninus, L. Aelia Corva, T. Valeria Celeris, praetrix St. Cornelia Iuliana Valeriana Aeternia, aedilis P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus, tribuna plebis V. Aemilia Regilla and tribunus plebis A. Liburnius Hadrianus who answered questions - glory to these 7 ladies and gentlemen.

In order to make it possible for everyone to participate in all previous and current questions, the deadlines for Question #1 and Question #2 are extended to the dealine of today's Question #3. You can send all previous questions and today's question to <cnaeus_cornelius@...> within 48 hours of the posting of this message.

You can find Question #1 here:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum#March_3rd_-_Day_3_of_the_Ludi_Novi_Romani_.E2.80.93_Question_1_of_the_Certamen_Latinum

You can find Question #2 here:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum#March_4th_-_Day_4_of_the_Ludi_Novi_Romani_.E2.80.93_Question_2_of_the_Certamen_Latinum

Ranking, pointing and grading the answers of those who are already participating will come in the next round.

And remember! Not only citizens can participate, but any visitor of Nova Roma! And there is prize! A very nice prize, for the winner.

You can follow the Certamen Latin on our ludus webpage, too:
http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum



March 5th - Day 5 of the Ludi Novi Romani – Question 3 of the Certamen Latinum



I. INTRODUCTION 3 - Declining Nouns in the Nominative, Accusative and Genitive Cases


The day before yesterday we discussed the dictionary form of the Latin nouns. Yesterday we talked about the dictionary form of the verbs. These are essential things to understand before you start using Latin words. Now you are armed to start using Latin words in sentences.

How does Latin use the words in sentences? Does it place them in a particular word order to express grammatical function, such as subject and object? Nope. That's the big difference between Latin and English. English uses word order to express who is the subject (the performer, who does something) or the object (which is what the action is being done to, for example, "reading a book", where "book" is the object). In English, the object is always placed after the verb, word order determines whether a word is an object or not. Latin, however, uses word ending to express grammatical function, such as the object. Latin differentiates subject from object by word ending, i.e. by inflections which is called declension. We learned for the first question of the Certamen Latinum how to determine which declension a noun belongs to. Now it's time to make use of this knowledge. We will decline some words creating subjects, objects, or possessive forms from them.
Please review the information about how to determine which declension a noun belongs to, following this link:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Declension

Today we learn how to change the endings of the Latin nouns pertaining to different declensions.

In Latin, the subject form of a noun is called the 'nominative case'. Learn more here:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Nominative

The object form of a noun is called the 'accusative case' in Latin. Check this out, on our website:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Accusative

The Latin possessive form of a noun is called 'genitive case'. We learned about it when studying the dictionary forms of nouns. We know why the genitive is so important: the genitive ending differentiates what declension a noun belongs to. Therefore the genitive of each noun is given in the dictionary, and when somebody learns Latin nouns, he learns the genitive of the noun together with the first dictionary form, the nominative, because without knowing the genitive of the word, you could not know which declination it belongs to, and thus you could not decline the word, which means you could not use the word in a sentence. Learn more about genitive here:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Genitive

The inflection (declension) of nouns is done by cutting off the declension specific genitive ending (-ae, -i, -is, -ús, -ei) and replacing them with the various case endings that you'll find on our website, following the links given above.


II. QUESTION 3


Put the following nouns into the *singular* and *plural* *nominative*, *accusative* and *genitive* cases (10 x 6pts), using our website as your guide to how to decline the nouns. Use these same links I have given above:
http://novaroma.org/nr/Nominative
http://novaroma.org/nr/Accusative
http://novaroma.org/nr/Genitive

Be careful, and read ALL information on the pages!

fides, -ei, f = faith, credibility
televisio, -onis, f = television
magistratus, -ús, m = magistrate, magistracy
dea, -ae, f = goddess
pons, pontis, m = bridge
pax, pacis, f = peace
forum, -i, n = square, forum
filius, -ií, m = son
corpus, -oris, n = body
aeroplanum, -i, n = airplane


III. AN EXAMPLE HOW TO DO IT:


res, -ei, f = thing;

- after analyzing this dictionary form, you see that its genitive abbreviated is "-ei", which means that its genitive form written out is: "rei". The genitive ending "-ei" marks the Fifth Declension. It means you have to cut off this "-ei" ending, and the remaining "r-" will be the invariable stem to which you will add the case endings. Therefore you go to the website, and search for the respective nominative plural, accusative and genitive forms that are needed. You will find them and you can give the following forms:

SINGULAR
nominative = res (1 pt)
accusative = rem (1 pt)
genitive = rei (1 pt)
PLURAL
nominative = res (1 pt)
accusative = res (1 pt)
genitive = rerum (1 pt)


IV. RULES OF THE CERTAMEN LATINUM


One question a day will be posted, participants must send their answers
not to this e-mail address but to <cnaeus_cornelius@...>
within 24 hours of posting. Please do *not* post answers to the list!

The correct answers of the previous day and interim results will be announced together with the posting of the next
questions.


SEE TODAY'S QUESTION ON OUR WEBSITE:
http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum#March_5th_-_Day_5_of_the_Ludi_Novi_Romani_.E2.80.93_Question_3_of_the_Certamen_Latinum


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87589 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Female Roman Citizens Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Ro
Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Iuliae Aquilae S.P.D.

Deep down inside my brain, I knew the terms lol.

Thank you Iulia for the refresher course.

Vale bene,
Aeternia (who likes the term 'Feminae' personally)


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87590 From: GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Quarter Finals Race 4.
Salvete omnes. Hello listeners.
Welcome to Nova Roma News Radio, broadcasting to you from the eternal city.

Today is day five of the Ludi Novi Romani, and our program features the last of the quarter-final races. Our reporter, Caeso Tarquinius Scipio, is down at the Circus Maximus – so come in Scipio!

Yes, Salvete omnes, hello everybody and welcome to the races. Its been ideal weather for racing, today, and we have another great race coming up. I can tell you that those running next are Serapis Tutor, driving the chariot Decimator owned by M Iulius Aquila in Albata colours, then Stolo, driving Incitatus owned by C Petronius Dexter sporting the Veneta colours, and Poncianus Sergius Caesar driving Erebus which is the chariot of C Arminius Reccanellus of Russata.  And they're up against Sirenia driving Aella Noctis which is owned by Statia Cornelia Aeternia for Veneta, and last but by no means least Drest driving Rubicon which is owned by Consul Gn Iulius Caesar representing Praesina..

We're expecting a fierce race here today, with many reputations riding on these teams. Russata, Veneta and Albata have all won in the previous heats, so I wonder who will triumph this time Could Praesina pull it off in this last quarter-final. Well, we will soon know because it looks as if they are nearly ready to start. Here comes C Marcius Crispus carrying the white mappa to start them off. He holds it high to get their attention, and then lets it fall, and the gates spring open and they're off.

And down they race to the first straight, and its Caesar followed by Drest, Serapis Sirenia and Stolo as they start up the straight. Stolo has got stuck out on the right, and needs to get close in before the first turn. They're all holding position at the moment, Stolo continually looking for a gap to get closer to the spina. As they reach the first turn its Caesar leading Drest and Serapis, then a slight gap and then Sirenia and Stolo. I think Sirenia will do well on the turns, she normally takes a good line, so we'll see how she does when they come out.

And here they come, still Caesar in the lead from Drest, but I think Drest has closed up, then Serapis and Sirenia very close, and lastly Stolo.

And as they start down the long straight, Drest and Caesar have quickened the pace, and have opened up a lead between them and the rest of the field. And Stolo has come fast out of the bend, and is making up ground on Sirenia. Sirenia has spotted him and has cracked her whip to speed her team away from danger. Caesar and Drest are storming down the straight, the crowds are starting to cheer as they sense a fast race is developing.

And as they get towards the turn its Sirenia who makes a move, catching up fast on Serapis, and I think she is going to get ahead in time before the turn. Yes, and that gives her the best line to hold third place. Round they go, and coming out the other side its still Caesar in the lead, then Drest, a couple of lengths ahead of Sirenia who is just ahead of Serapis, Stolo bringing up the rear.

As they go up the straight, its two pairs, Caesar and Drest, then Sirenia and Serapis, and Stolo at the end. But Stolo now has a clear road ahead of him, and he picks up speed as the first of the lap markers goes down. He is picking up on Serapis, and any moment now he will catch him. The crowds are yelling with enthusiasm now, the thunder of hooves, the crash of wheels and the dust from the track spells out all the excitement that has brought them out here today. They are loving this entertainment, and have no mind for anything else.

And now Sirenia is making a move at the front of the pack. She has closed up on Drest, and it looks as if she is preparing to take him as they reach the turn. There is just time for her to get the best line as they disappear from sight behind the wall, so we will soon see how well she did. Still to go into the turn are Serapis and Stolo, but Stolo has closed right up now, and has seized a chance to start moving up the field.

Coming out of the bend its Caesar in the lead, but Sirenia is neck and neck with Drest, and just look at her team fly down the straight. She is beginning to move ahead, yes, here she goes into second place. She is going like a rocket down the straight, but here comes Stolo leading Serapis, Stolo has started to make his move, and is launching himself down the straight. As they move down the straight Sirenia is opening up a good lead on Drest, but stands no chance of catching Caesar before the next turn. But now the excitement is on Stolo and Serapis, Stolo is determined to hold onto fourth place, and Serapis wants it back. Just look at them go, heads down, grim faces as they get every ounce of speed out of their teams. Sand flies up, they are hurtling into the turn at a crazy speed, their rigs are swinging out and becoming uncontrollable. There's a crash of wheels, sparks fly, we've lost sight of them but we can hear noises of wood and metal being mangled together.

Now the leaders are coming back into view. Its still Caesar, but Sirenia is making a strong challenge. Drest has fallen back a little, then come Stolo and Serapis looking battered and bruised. They have obviously sustained a fair bit of damage on that turn, and I expect their rigs will be more difficult to control now.

Sirenia is tearing down the straight at fantastic speed. Caesar is looking over his shoulder and firing his whip at her, but she has her head flung back and is roaring to the heavens. Just look at her go, - she's closing up fast, and as the lap markers fall again she is neck and neck – no she is ahead by a whisker, now she is clearly in the lead. The fans are going wild, blue pom-poms are everywhere. And now Drest is threatening Caesar. Caesar is moving his rig from side to side to block Drest, but he's made a mistake in his line as they get near the turn. Drest has managed to squeeze onto the inside, pushing Caesar out. That's a risky move, since Drest could be trapped against the spina, but its working, and Drest is beginning to take the place. As they go into the turn Drest will have even more advantage, so it looks as if Caesar has done badly on that lap.

Stolo and Serapis are still behind, but they are conserving their strength at the moment. They haven't dropped any further back, but they have rested their teams a little, which could be interesting for the next lap.

As they come out of the turn its Sirenia from Drest, then Caesar. Then a gap and then Stolo and Serapis. And now Stolo is making a move, inching ahead of Serapis as they move down the straight. Stolo gradually builds up his speed, and Serapis is trying to stop him getting away. So the field is now two, one and two, with Sirenia and Drest leading Caesar and Stolo and Serapis moving up fast behind.

The crowd can feel that the big moment is approaching. Drest is pressing Sirenia, Stolo and Serapis are moving in on Caesar, Caesar is trying to pick up more speed but it seems there is something wrong with his chariot, the steering seems erratic and he can't get the response he needs from his horses. He looks desperate, helpless in the face of the competition. But he is a determined driver, and is not about to give up. He fires his whip at Stolo and Serapis to keep them away as he struggles towards the turn. But they both react violently to those tactics, and bump his chariot into the spina. He can't avoid hitting it, and sustains more damage. He hopes to get away on the turn, but they are too close.

He makes it round the turn, but on the next straight he is clearly in trouble. He is hauling on the reins to try to move away from the spina, but his chariot keeps pulling to the left. Stolo bumps him, and he loses control. His rig goes over on one wheel, he hurls himself to one side to right it, but too late. He is thrown out of the chariot, but because the reins are wrapped round his waist, he cannot break free. He is dragged along the base of the spina, and tries desperately to cut himself free. At last he manages to free himself from the reins, and rolls to a stop. Luckily he isn't caught in the wreckage of his chariot, and stays away from the wheels of Stolo and Serapis. The wreckage gang race out, pick him up, collect his horses, and get a rope round the wreckage. He looks badly beaten, but he lives.

Now that their common enemy has gone, Stolo and Serapis renew their own fight. As the lap marker falls again, Sirenia is still leading Drest into the turn, and Serapis is racing hard against Stolo at the rear.

But Sirenia seems to be having problems. It looks as if she has hit some of the wreckage from Caesar's chariot, for she is slowing. I think Serapis must have hit some wreckage too, but his chariot seems to be moving more lightly and quickly. And Drest is overtaking Sirenia, he's getting in before the turn, and she won't make ground on the turn this time. And Serapis is also coming through, moving unbelievably quickly for this stage of the race. He is almost flying along, his chariot a magnificent machine,


As they come out of the turn its Drest by a short head from Serapis, then Sirenia who has slowed even more, and Stolo is gaining on her rapidly. Serapis is going like the wind, his chariot, Decimator, seems to be both lighter and stronger than earlier, and at any moment he will take on Drest, Meanwhile Sirenia is really struggling now, and Stolo is moving in for the kill. Down the straight they go, they know this is going to decide the race. All the drivers are willing their teams forward, but only Serapis and Stolo are getting the response they are demanding. Sirenia seems to be invoking some incantation, looking up into the sky for support, Drest is yelling at his horses to give him their all, Serapis has a strange, almost smug look on his face, and Stolo is gritting his teeth as he wills his team onwards.

As they go into the last turn its Serapis and Drest neck and neck, then Stolo and finally Sirenia falling further back. Not even Sirenia's skill on the turns can save her now.

As they come out and onto the last straight its Serapis in the lead, then Drest and Stolo close together, then Sirenia falling a long way back. Up they go towards the line, and Serapis is holding the lead, Stolo is challenging Drest, Drest is beginning to fade, Stolo seizes his chance and leaps ahead of him.

So at the line its Serapis Tutor, driving Decimator owned by M. Iulius Aquila for Albata,
then Stolo on Incitatus owned by C Petronius Dexter for Veneta,
then Drest, who had a great run on Rubicon owned by Gn Iulius Caesar for Praesina,
and finally a great drive by Sirenia, owned by Statia Cornelia Aeternia for Veneta.
I hear that Poncianus Sergius Caesar has been patched up and will recover from his accident, and we will all be back tomorrow for the semi-finals.

Valete omnes

And now back to the studio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87591 From: Gaius Arminius Reccanellus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 Quarter Finals Race 4.
Nooooooooooo!!!!!! Whyyyyyyyyy??????

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2012/3/5 GAIUS MARCIUS CRISPUS <jbshr1pwa@...>

> **
>
>
> Salvete omnes. Hello listeners.
> Welcome to Nova Roma News Radio, broadcasting to you from the eternal city.
>
> Today is day five of the Ludi Novi Romani, and our program features the
> last of the quarter-final races. Our reporter, Caeso Tarquinius Scipio, is
> down at the Circus Maximus � so come in Scipio!
>
> Yes, Salvete omnes, hello everybody and welcome to the races. Its been
> ideal weather for racing, today, and we have another great race coming up.
> I can tell you that those running next are Serapis Tutor, driving the
> chariot Decimator owned by M Iulius Aquila in Albata colours, then Stolo,
> driving Incitatus owned by C Petronius Dexter sporting the Veneta colours,
> and Poncianus Sergius Caesar driving Erebus which is the chariot of C
> Arminius Reccanellus of Russata. And they're up against Sirenia driving
> Aella Noctis which is owned by Statia Cornelia Aeternia for Veneta, and
> last but by no means least Drest driving Rubicon which is owned by Consul
> Gn Iulius Caesar representing Praesina..
>
> We're expecting a fierce race here today, with many reputations riding on
> these teams. Russata, Veneta and Albata have all won in the previous heats,
> so I wonder who will triumph this time Could Praesina pull it off in this
> last quarter-final. Well, we will soon know because it looks as if they are
> nearly ready to start. Here comes C Marcius Crispus carrying the white
> mappa to start them off. He holds it high to get their attention, and then
> lets it fall, and the gates spring open and they're off.
>
> And down they race to the first straight, and its Caesar followed by
> Drest, Serapis Sirenia and Stolo as they start up the straight. Stolo has
> got stuck out on the right, and needs to get close in before the first
> turn. They're all holding position at the moment, Stolo continually looking
> for a gap to get closer to the spina. As they reach the first turn its
> Caesar leading Drest and Serapis, then a slight gap and then Sirenia and
> Stolo. I think Sirenia will do well on the turns, she normally takes a good
> line, so we'll see how she does when they come out.
>
> And here they come, still Caesar in the lead from Drest, but I think Drest
> has closed up, then Serapis and Sirenia very close, and lastly Stolo.
>
> And as they start down the long straight, Drest and Caesar have quickened
> the pace, and have opened up a lead between them and the rest of the field.
> And Stolo has come fast out of the bend, and is making up ground on
> Sirenia. Sirenia has spotted him and has cracked her whip to speed her team
> away from danger. Caesar and Drest are storming down the straight, the
> crowds are starting to cheer as they sense a fast race is developing.
>
> And as they get towards the turn its Sirenia who makes a move, catching up
> fast on Serapis, and I think she is going to get ahead in time before the
> turn. Yes, and that gives her the best line to hold third place. Round they
> go, and coming out the other side its still Caesar in the lead, then Drest,
> a couple of lengths ahead of Sirenia who is just ahead of Serapis, Stolo
> bringing up the rear.
>
> As they go up the straight, its two pairs, Caesar and Drest, then Sirenia
> and Serapis, and Stolo at the end. But Stolo now has a clear road ahead of
> him, and he picks up speed as the first of the lap markers goes down. He is
> picking up on Serapis, and any moment now he will catch him. The crowds are
> yelling with enthusiasm now, the thunder of hooves, the crash of wheels and
> the dust from the track spells out all the excitement that has brought them
> out here today. They are loving this entertainment, and have no mind for
> anything else.
>
> And now Sirenia is making a move at the front of the pack. She has closed
> up on Drest, and it looks as if she is preparing to take him as they reach
> the turn. There is just time for her to get the best line as they disappear
> from sight behind the wall, so we will soon see how well she did. Still to
> go into the turn are Serapis and Stolo, but Stolo has closed right up now,
> and has seized a chance to start moving up the field.
>
> Coming out of the bend its Caesar in the lead, but Sirenia is neck and
> neck with Drest, and just look at her team fly down the straight. She is
> beginning to move ahead, yes, here she goes into second place. She is going
> like a rocket down the straight, but here comes Stolo leading Serapis,
> Stolo has started to make his move, and is launching himself down the
> straight. As they move down the straight Sirenia is opening up a good lead
> on Drest, but stands no chance of catching Caesar before the next turn. But
> now the excitement is on Stolo and Serapis, Stolo is determined to hold
> onto fourth place, and Serapis wants it back. Just look at them go, heads
> down, grim faces as they get every ounce of speed out of their teams. Sand
> flies up, they are hurtling into the turn at a crazy speed, their rigs are
> swinging out and becoming uncontrollable. There's a crash of wheels, sparks
> fly, we've lost sight of them but we can hear noises of wood and metal
> being mangled together.
>
> Now the leaders are coming back into view. Its still Caesar, but Sirenia
> is making a strong challenge. Drest has fallen back a little, then come
> Stolo and Serapis looking battered and bruised. They have obviously
> sustained a fair bit of damage on that turn, and I expect their rigs will
> be more difficult to control now.
>
> Sirenia is tearing down the straight at fantastic speed. Caesar is looking
> over his shoulder and firing his whip at her, but she has her head flung
> back and is roaring to the heavens. Just look at her go, - she's closing up
> fast, and as the lap markers fall again she is neck and neck � no she is
> ahead by a whisker, now she is clearly in the lead. The fans are going
> wild, blue pom-poms are everywhere. And now Drest is threatening Caesar.
> Caesar is moving his rig from side to side to block Drest, but he's made a
> mistake in his line as they get near the turn. Drest has managed to squeeze
> onto the inside, pushing Caesar out. That's a risky move, since Drest could
> be trapped against the spina, but its working, and Drest is beginning to
> take the place. As they go into the turn Drest will have even more
> advantage, so it looks as if Caesar has done badly on that lap.
>
> Stolo and Serapis are still behind, but they are conserving their strength
> at the moment. They haven't dropped any further back, but they have rested
> their teams a little, which could be interesting for the next lap.
>
> As they come out of the turn its Sirenia from Drest, then Caesar. Then a
> gap and then Stolo and Serapis. And now Stolo is making a move, inching
> ahead of Serapis as they move down the straight. Stolo gradually builds up
> his speed, and Serapis is trying to stop him getting away. So the field is
> now two, one and two, with Sirenia and Drest leading Caesar and Stolo and
> Serapis moving up fast behind.
>
> The crowd can feel that the big moment is approaching. Drest is pressing
> Sirenia, Stolo and Serapis are moving in on Caesar, Caesar is trying to
> pick up more speed but it seems there is something wrong with his chariot,
> the steering seems erratic and he can't get the response he needs from his
> horses. He looks desperate, helpless in the face of the competition. But he
> is a determined driver, and is not about to give up. He fires his whip at
> Stolo and Serapis to keep them away as he struggles towards the turn. But
> they both react violently to those tactics, and bump his chariot into the
> spina. He can't avoid hitting it, and sustains more damage. He hopes to get
> away on the turn, but they are too close.
>
> He makes it round the turn, but on the next straight he is clearly in
> trouble. He is hauling on the reins to try to move away from the spina, but
> his chariot keeps pulling to the left. Stolo bumps him, and he loses
> control. His rig goes over on one wheel, he hurls himself to one side to
> right it, but too late. He is thrown out of the chariot, but because the
> reins are wrapped round his waist, he cannot break free. He is dragged
> along the base of the spina, and tries desperately to cut himself free. At
> last he manages to free himself from the reins, and rolls to a stop.
> Luckily he isn't caught in the wreckage of his chariot, and stays away from
> the wheels of Stolo and Serapis. The wreckage gang race out, pick him up,
> collect his horses, and get a rope round the wreckage. He looks badly
> beaten, but he lives.
>
> Now that their common enemy has gone, Stolo and Serapis renew their own
> fight. As the lap marker falls again, Sirenia is still leading Drest into
> the turn, and Serapis is racing hard against Stolo at the rear.
>
> But Sirenia seems to be having problems. It looks as if she has hit some
> of the wreckage from Caesar's chariot, for she is slowing. I think Serapis
> must have hit some wreckage too, but his chariot seems to be moving more
> lightly and quickly. And Drest is overtaking Sirenia, he's getting in
> before the turn, and she won't make ground on the turn this time. And
> Serapis is also coming through, moving unbelievably quickly for this stage
> of the race. He is almost flying along, his chariot a magnificent machine,
>
> As they come out of the turn its Drest by a short head from Serapis, then
> Sirenia who has slowed even more, and Stolo is gaining on her rapidly.
> Serapis is going like the wind, his chariot, Decimator, seems to be both
> lighter and stronger than earlier, and at any moment he will take on Drest,
> Meanwhile Sirenia is really struggling now, and Stolo is moving in for the
> kill. Down the straight they go, they know this is going to decide the
> race. All the drivers are willing their teams forward, but only Serapis and
> Stolo are getting the response they are demanding. Sirenia seems to be
> invoking some incantation, looking up into the sky for support, Drest is
> yelling at his horses to give him their all, Serapis has a strange, almost
> smug look on his face, and Stolo is gritting his teeth as he wills his team
> onwards.
>
> As they go into the last turn its Serapis and Drest neck and neck, then
> Stolo and finally Sirenia falling further back. Not even Sirenia's skill on
> the turns can save her now.
>
> As they come out and onto the last straight its Serapis in the lead, then
> Drest and Stolo close together, then Sirenia falling a long way back. Up
> they go towards the line, and Serapis is holding the lead, Stolo is
> challenging Drest, Drest is beginning to fade, Stolo seizes his chance and
> leaps ahead of him.
>
> So at the line its Serapis Tutor, driving Decimator owned by M. Iulius
> Aquila for Albata,
> then Stolo on Incitatus owned by C Petronius Dexter for Veneta,
> then Drest, who had a great run on Rubicon owned by Gn Iulius Caesar for
> Praesina,
> and finally a great drive by Sirenia, owned by Statia Cornelia Aeternia
> for Veneta.
> I hear that Poncianus Sergius Caesar has been patched up and will recover
> from his accident, and we will all be back tomorrow for the semi-finals.
>
> Valete omnes
>
> And now back to the studio
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87592 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Regilla Axenoroto sal.

I think that I understand you question. And I'll try to answer you in a simple and fast way.

Our philosophical bases are called perennialism. It means only that we work with fundamental and immutable principles. This is called traditio. You can see this in action studying the development of Rome, since monarchy until empire.

That's why Nova Roma is not a patriarcal group. One of the primordial roman principles is the fulfillment of duties towards the homeland. If the collective life of your community is being endangering by you, you are not acting as the roman way. And the collective life of our homelands guarantees the woman the right to study and practice a profession. If you refuse this right to a woman, saying this is the roman way, you are not working the traditio, you are working the dogmatism.

The flag says SPQR, the Senate and the People of Rome. It doesn't says the Patriarchy of Rome. You are focused on the color of the enamel that is in the nail, and saying that this is the whole body. Think about it.

--

V.A. Regilla

Tribuna Plebis
Legata Pro Praetore Provinciae Argentinae
Legata Pro Praetore Provinciae Brasiliae

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87593 From: M. Pompeius Caninus Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765 - Certamen Historicum - Day 6
M. Pompeius Caninus omnibus in foro S. P. D.

Citizens and friends, come join the history quiz! There is no daily deadline for entries. You may submit answers to any and all questions until the close of the Ludi Novi Romani on 07 March 2765. The rules are listed at the very bottom of this announcement. Questions from the earlier days in this Ludi Novi Romani are also included in case you may have missed any questions.


Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 6 - 06 March
11. Who earned a triumph for victory over the Celtiberi in 93 BC?
12. Nova Roma has a few fora where official business takes place, such as taking an oath of office or recording a law. What are the names of at least three of these fora and where would one find them?
13. A Nova Roma citizen assigned to Century XLVII, who lives in the United States of America in the macronational world, should pay how much in annual taxes to Nova Roma for the year 2765 AUC?


Current Certamen Historicum Leaders       Points
Publius Annæus Constantinus Placidus               9
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus                                         9
Vibia Aemilia Regilla                                                    5
Servius Marius Paullus                                                 4


If you missed any questions, the questions for Day 1 through Day 5 are shown below. Please feel free to answer these questions. Answer any question or questions that you may have missed. However, it is not necessary to answer any questions for which you have already submitted an answer. 


Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 1 - 01 March
1. What is the highest office on the cursus honorum?
2. In which direction would you travel from Roma if you wanted to arrive in Tomis?

Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 2 - 02 March
3. Which citizen of Nova Roma served the shortest time ever officially as a provincial governor?
4. By a law of the Comitia Tributa Sextus Peducaeus had the investigation of what religious portent taken out of the hands of the pontifices?

Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 3 - 03 March
5. How many citizens of gens Iulius were assidui at the end of 2764?
6. Who was the governor of Britannia in 51 AD?

Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 4 - 04 March
7. The citizens of Nova Roma are members of urban and rural tribes. How does a member of a rural tribe become a member of an urban tribe?
8. In which direction would you travel from Roma if you wanted to arrive in Olbia?

Ludi Novi Romani - Certamen Historicum - Day 5 - 05 March
9. Who were the aediles of Oppidum Bucurestium in the year 2761?
10. Who was the plebeian tribune who was born in 163 BC and would later be killed by the Boni due to his political agenda?


Rules of the Certamen Historicum
1. Do not post answers to the mailing lists and do not post answers by simply hitting the Reply button.
2. Submit your answers to m.pompeius@... with the subject heading 'Certamen Historicum'.
3. Each correct answer is worth 1 point. An extra point may be awarded for an especially detailed and excellent answer.
4. New questions will be posted at about 01:00 Rome Time (1:00 AM Central European Time / GMT +1) each day of the Ludi Novi Romani.
5. Entries may be submitted at any time before 23:59 Rome Time (11:59 PM Central European Time / GMT +1) on 7 March 2765.
6. The current standings will be posted each evening so you may find the best practice is to send in your answers each day for the current day's questions to ensure your standings are updated on this page.
7. A list of the top ten contestants, including the winner, will be posted on this page no later than 12 March 2765.
8. Any questions, concerns or requests should be addressed to m.pompeius@... no later than 15 March 2765.
9. My decision is final in interpreting what is and what is not a correct answer.

Optime valete!
 
M. Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis
Vivat Nova Roma!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87594 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Salve!

"You are focused on the color of the enamel that is in the
nail, and saying that this is the whole body."

Actually no, but thank you. As I said clearly I was not advocating for this position but eliciting information so I see no deception on my part, or perhaps at best a slight one. As I clearly stated I forcefully took a position seeking a response.

I had been told, privately, that Nova Roma was a misogynist organization, that many in the leadership were opposed to women voting, or holding positions of authority. So I posed a series of somewhat rhetorical questions seeking a consensus opinion. As I said often the best way to understand what a individual, group, or organization stands for is to take an adversarial position and provoke a response.

The responses have been well thought out, edifying, and I have enjoyed them. There does seem to be a consensus opinion and not one I would term misogynist I any way.

Vale!

G. Claudius Axenrothus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87595 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Ave!

Who told you that Nova Roma was a misogynist organization?

Vale,

Sulla

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Yehya <yehya_61@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Salve!
>
> "You are focused on the color of the enamel that is in the
> nail, and saying that this is the whole body."
>
> Actually no, but thank you. As I said clearly I was not advocating for
> this position but eliciting information so I see no deception on my part,
> or perhaps at best a slight one. As I clearly stated I forcefully took a
> position seeking a response.
>
> I had been told, privately, that Nova Roma was a misogynist organization,
> that many in the leadership were opposed to women voting, or holding
> positions of authority. So I posed a series of somewhat rhetorical
> questions seeking a consensus opinion. As I said often the best way to
> understand what a individual, group, or organization stands for is to take
> an adversarial position and provoke a response.
>
> The responses have been well thought out, edifying, and I have enjoyed
> them. There does seem to be a consensus opinion and not one I would term
> misogynist I any way.
>
> Vale!
>
> G. Claudius Axenrothus
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87596 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Temples of Vesta, Venus Genetrix and Mystic Sanctuary of Fortuna Pri
Salvete omnes!

Thought you might enjoy this link, it contains images of the Temple of Vesta in Rome and a nice reproduction:
http://teralynpilgrim.blogspot.com/2011/11/best-reproduction-of-vestas-temple.html

I would also like to mention that I am closing the meetup sites for Aedes Venus Genetrix (center of Roman life) and Mystic Sanctuary of Fortuna Primigenia (the mysteries) and using the facebook sites until further notice. The meetup site is expensive and does not meet our needs.
The links are:
https://www.facebook.com/aedesvenusgenetrix
https://www.facebook.com/groups/MysticSanctuary/

Valete bene
Julia
https://www.facebook.com/jennaroses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87597 From: Belle Morte Statia Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Ludi Novi Romani 2765- (Triclinium Chat Dies /Day 5)
*One Fine Day
*
It was early evening, silence filled the air but the streets were busy,
bustling with activity. Alethia inhaled the sweet smell of incense from
the nearby vendor, the aroma of sandalwood gave the air a foggy effect.
Walking from Palatine Avenue, Alethia decided to trudge languidly, taking
in all the scenery, the sights, and again the sound of silence. On this
day, Alethia found herself alone, and she savored it most gleefully.
While the young Kyra had decided to spend the day with Aeternia , with a
plea the Praetrix found herself unable to refute such said request.

How the tables had been turned, the glass becoming suddenly half-full,
they say revenge is a dish often served cold. Not for Alethia that dish
got served warm and piping hot, her arch nemesis finally getting her due.
The activities she could do were limitless, she could go shopping, take a
visit to the Pier, go have a cone of gelato, nothing appealed to her more
though than going to The Eagle. So with that notion Alethia had went.

*<<<<<<<<<Another hour or so later>>>>>>>>*

Alethia finally made it to her destination, the walk took as long as going
by litter, she discovered the hard way. When she entered the Taverna, she
saw Rome�s favorite InnKeeper hand polishing glass flagons.

�Your concept of time, is extraordinary. sent you a message an hour
ago� . said Vinius smirking.

�I walked here.� replied Alethia.

�And alone as well it would seem. How are you enjoying it so far?� asked
Vinius still smirking.

�Immensely.� Said Alethia.

�Where is she? Still with the Praetor? Asked Vinius whose smirk was
replaced with growing concern.
�Yes, she is still with the Praetor. I know earlier today they went to
visit the Consul�s new goldfish farm. � Alethia answered.

�They say the Consul owns just about that entire market, never would have
guessed �goldfish� were a passion of his.� He had commented.

�Everyone needs a hobby Vini, even a Consul.� she said..

Before Vinius could interject more commentary, or inquire why she seemed
�detached� regarding the whereabouts of her younger sister. It is because
Kyra who in fact is in fact a woman grown, not only could she hold her
own, but also in the care of the Praetor therefore also the extension of
the Praetura. Above all things, Alethia knew her sweet sibling was in safe
hands, perhaps she�d receive angry e-mails and idle threats later from
various Praetura members in the morn, but that would be most likely the
worst damage.

In honor of todays� deity, the Novi Romani gave tribute to Qurinus, a
deity of �Old Rome� which was something that Alethia could relate to.
Being that her familia (family) came from one of the oldest branches of
Rome. So she had prepared something special for tonight, considering also
this would be the only time Alethia would perform during the Ludi. A
performance unfortunately would not have been witnessed by her sister,
certainly that point had ran amiss.

As gathered her wits about her, for Vinius had announced she would be soon
taking the stage. Alethia approached the microphone like an old friend, or
an arm finding its way through a sleeve. Her words started off softly a
faint whisper, but the crescendo grew stronger, and daresay more bolder�


*They tell me I am neither sweet nor kind,
That I am somewhere in between,
The bridge between that which is new,
and that which was old,
Many wars I have seen,
Many I have caused,

Over Roma�s seven hills,
Often in in tow are my spear and shield ,
As always the first in the field,
Even the god Mars had to keep up my pace,
Yet these days I linger in a secluded place,
With this minor burden,
Of feeling forgotten,
I shall endure,
To survive the ages,

As thou will the others,
Of that I am sure,

Forget me not,
Eternal city,
That once burned so brightly,
As I see you spark life,
Once again.
*
As her voice decrescendo back down to a soft whisper, through the rise of
clapped hands, and words of approval, and coin tossing. Alethia saw,
through the crowd, the soft waves of pure platinum and sun-kissed skin
smiling ear to ear, in tow with the walking sunray was her foe, the
Praetor and many members of the Praetura. Their expressions were a cross
of pleasant- meets- annoyed, oh yes Alethia was confident about the e-mails
in the morn, but today was considered overall to be one fine day.

*~~Finis~~*


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87598 From: Cato Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Et Mos Maiorum Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Cato omnibus in foro SPD

I'm going to pop my head in here and mention something.

The idea of being togate for ceremonial purposes is certainly a valid and even "modern" idea. Pretty much every country in the world - pretty much every *organization* in the world - has certain peculiar sartorial paraphernalia that are meant to be worn on particularly festive or solemn occasions. So wearing the toga (or pallium, etc.) is not particularly odd. I actually like wearing mine very much.

Valete bene,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87599 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Salve!

"Who told you that Nova Roma was a misogynist organization?"

I probably should have said "contained misogynist elements" as it would have been more accurate. I was asked to keep the unsolicited email private and will do so. Lets just say I wanted to test the validity of the argument and found it wanting in this accusation. I meant no disrespect to any here I just have my own method of gathering information.

Vale!

G. Claudius Axenrothus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87600 From: Robert Woolwine Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Ave!

Interesting. Personally I think its a serious accusation and if someone is
cowardly enough to open the conversation without being forthright and
completely honest, especially when given hearsay is as serious as a charge
of being misogynistic elements - as you have so clarified. It is no
different than the tactics of using paid informers. So, I would suggest
you give up your source or find another organization to belong to. Because
I also find it telling that you seemed to have no problem joining an
organization that you have been told might have misogynistic elements.
Either way its damn telling.

Vale,

Sulla

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Yehya <yehya_61@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> Salve!
>
>
> "Who told you that Nova Roma was a misogynist organization?"
>
> I probably should have said "contained misogynist elements" as it would
> have been more accurate. I was asked to keep the unsolicited email private
> and will do so. Lets just say I wanted to test the validity of the argument
> and found it wanting in this accusation. I meant no disrespect to any here
> I just have my own method of gathering information.
>
> Vale!
>
> G. Claudius Axenrothus
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87601 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2012-03-05
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
In a message dated 3/5/2012 6:20:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
robert.woolwine@... writes:

Interesting. Personally I think its a serious accusation and if someone is
cowardly enough to open the conversation without being forthright and
completely honest, especially when given hearsay is as serious as a charge
of being misogynistic elements - as you have so clarified. It is no
different than the tactics of using paid informers. So, I would suggest
you give up your source or find another organization to belong to. Because
I also find it telling that you seemed to have no problem joining an
organization that you have been told might have misogynistic elements.
Either way its damn telling.
----
Oh not at all. Besides Cornelius we know where this came from, its the
same people soon to be investigated for their attempts to mess up our
election. Bunch of disgruntled ex Nova Romanoii, who by the way don't believe we
are any more misogynist then they are. Its just a wedge issue. Just
because its repeated enough does not make it the truth.

I thought Claudius approached it correctly. If NR was misogynist I'd sure
like to know. Also by saying "why aren't you following Rome's example?"
was pretty shrewd. He invited our explanations. He now knows our root
beliefs, and one of them is our female citizens can and will occupy positions
of power in NR.

If he really wanted to belong to a misogynist organization I'd doubt he's
ask the question.

Q Fabius Maximus





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87602 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Salve!

Thanks for clarifying the situation for all. We all can see that we are dealing with a clear evidence of sabotage.

Axenrothus, you challenged us to get the information you wanted then it's fair that Sulla challenge you back to get the reward: the information he wants. I suggest that you talk about it with Sulla in pvt because we are in the midst of Ludi, and because he was the only citizen to ask.

But your question was excelent. I liked it.
 
--
V.A. Regilla

Tribuna Plebis
Legata Pro Praetore Provinciae Argentinae
Legata Pro Praetore Provinciae Brasiliae


________________________________
De: Yehya <yehya_61@...>
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 5 de Março de 2012 22:10
Assunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma


 
Salve!

"You are focused on the color of the enamel that is in the
nail, and saying that this is the whole body."

Actually no, but thank you. As I said clearly I was not advocating for this position but eliciting information so I see no deception on my part, or perhaps at best a slight one. As I clearly stated I forcefully took a position seeking a response.

I had been told, privately, that Nova Roma was a misogynist organization, that many in the leadership were opposed to women voting, or holding positions of authority. So I posed a series of somewhat rhetorical questions seeking a consensus opinion. As I said often the best way to understand what a individual, group, or organization stands for is to take an adversarial position and provoke a response.

The responses have been well thought out, edifying, and I have enjoyed them. There does seem to be a consensus opinion and not one I would term misogynist I any way.

Vale!

G. Claudius Axenrothus




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87603 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Paterfamilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Mariae Caecae C. Claudio Axenrotho, L. Juliae
> Aquilae, Statiae Corneliae Aeterniae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> I have corrected the above title to reflect the correct spelling of
> paterfamilias, which incidentally is a somewhat archaic genitive of a first
> declension noun.
>
>
>
> C. Maria G. Claudio Axenrotho, L. Juliae Aquilae, Sta. Corneliae Aeterniae, Q.
> Fabio Maximo, L. Cornelio Sullae omnibusque S.P,. D.
>
> Societies, ancient and modern must, in order to succeed, reflect their time.
> If they don't, they cannot function, but become isolated enclaves, espousing
> their own cultural habitat, and, without interaction with cultures around
> them, they wither.
>
> ATS: Indeed. One wonders about the Amish, however...
>
> Nova Roma is no different. We are not trying to clone ancient Rome, although
> ancient Rome, it's culture, legal system and other less tangible aspects are
> our foundation. We are not attempting to be ancient Romans, out of place and
> out of time. What we are doing is more difficult, because we are attempting
> to re-create an essentially Roman society in a way that can, and will function
> fully in a modern setting. If we had a physical presence, and an army, trust
> me, our soldiers would not be limited to fighting with gladii.
>
> ATS: LOL! The Romans would have added pila, plus a contingent or two (or
> more) of skilled archers, and maybe some slingers, too, but my guess is that
> if they had had access to anything resembling a gun or a cannon, you can bet
> that they would not eschew its use.
>
> Indeed, what we are doing is far more difficult. As Caesar (I believe)
> pointed out, the mores in which we were raised and the laws of our respective
> nations effectively prohibit certain elements of ancient Rome (or any
> classical / ancient civilization). Most of us are not interested in reviving
> slavery, child prostitution, gladiatorial combat to the death, venationes
> (battles with wild animals in the arena), and any of the varying levels of the
> oppression of women which appeared now and again, and which still exist in
> parts of the world. Most of us prefer our bathing activities to be done in
> private and those dealing with the requirements of nature to be attended to in
> private, and not finished off with the application of a community sponge on a
> stick. Most of us seem to prefer that sewage be collected in underground
> pipes rather than run in the streets, and that it be somehow treated, whereas
> I have heard that the Cloaca Maxima still reeks after all of these centuries.
> I would venture to guess that most of us don¹t think that lead pipes are a
> good idea, either. We can admire a great deal about the Greeks, the Romans,
> the ancient Egyptians, and other ancient civilizations, and copy the best
> elements of any of the above without copying the less desirable elements
> thereof. That is what we are trying to do here.
>
> We don't have a physical presence at this time, so we are developing our
> culture, and that culture will have differences, because we are not tying to
> "stop the clock" and go back to what was. In it's time, Rome was at the
> forefront of progress and development, and by the end of the Roman empire,
> much had changed from the beginnings of that first little village known as
> Rome.
>
> ATS: Yes, and a great deal changed from those early days of that little
> village. The Latin language itself changed a great deal over those centuries,
> too...and is changing even now to reflect the presence of concepts and things
> unknown to the ancients.
>
> I do not think that what we are doing is a diminishment in any way of Roman
> culture or history, but rather an extension of it, given changes which, had
> Rome survived as a non-Christian nation might well have made. We are not
> "pretend" Romans, nor do we see ourselves as playing roles with nothing but
> old names.
>
> ATS: Indeed not, though I suspect that there are those who are or were
> among us who prefer viewing NR as a giant role playing game.
>
> Yes, we have women who are heads of households, and even founders of Gentes.
> Yes, women can now take part in our political life, and do, admirably.
>
> ATS: Yes, indeed. Those who read our Constitution will learn much, and
> note that we do not have any sort of official discrimination...with one single
> religious exception.
>
> Yes, the Corsus Honorum is open to women, not in contrast to Rome, or even as
> a politically convenient compromise to modern sensibilities, but because we
> are NEW Romans, and, like our eminently practical chosen ancestors, we,
> through our own cultural experiences, have learned that such roles and duties
> are not gender specific in their function. In other words, we do these jobs
> because we can, and we can do them well.
>
> ATS: Yes. We have had women in every office but the censura; I am the
> first there, and hope I won¹t be the last. There should be other women
> qualified for that and every other office. Too, Julia Aquila is the first
> female pontifex since I have been in NR, though in the past there were others.
> Some who objected to women in that post have left us; let us hope that their
> attitudes have as well.
>
> I think that it is fitting and even fortunate, that this discussion takes
> place during the Ludi tat celebrate the funding of Nova Roma, because these
> Ludi also celebrate its development and vibrant future.
>
> ATS: Some might say that this is distracting from the ludi and from the
> excellent work everyone concerned with them has been doing, but as you say, it
> might also be appropriate to address the nature of Nova Roma at this time,
> too. We are not trying to imitate every last feature of ancient Rome at any
> time in its long history. Reenactors choose to copy the clothing, weapons,
> foods, medical equipment, etc., of a given time period, but I don¹t know any
> who actually LIVE that way on a daily basis. That is a misconception some
> ignorant people believe. We are striving to copy the better elements of
> ancient Rome, not every last thing we know happened in ancient Rome. Caesar
> pointed out some very interesting extremes some might follow, such as punching
> a hole in the roof (very helpful in his area in particular). ;-) One might
> add that exposing unwanted children or exercising true patria potestas on
> family members would go over even less well than having a hole in one¹s roof
> in Canada, the northern US, or northern Europe. That doesn¹t mean that some
> in the macro world don¹t try such things, or that some don¹t think that the
> guy in the household has been granted divine powers and is omnipotent (that is
> why there are women¹s shelters quite independent of any ideas gleaned from
> ancient Rome), or that women are inferior (enough of us have encountered that
> little problem). We can¹t stop such individuals from joining Nova Roma, and
> if they bring those notions with them, or any other unseemly ones, we are
> unlikely to be able to change them. Our laws, however, frown on such
> behavior. So do those in the outside world.
>
> Valete bene
>
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> Vale, et valete bene.
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87604 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: WORKING ADULTS Re: [Nova-Roma] LUDI NOVI ROMANI - Certamen Latin
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica T. Marcio Quadrae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Salve,
>
> I like and appreciate that you have grammar exercises for us. But there are a
> few things I notice that may be addressed.
>
> The quiz below: how often do you have a quiz? Once a year?
>
> ATS: We have them at the ludi, which occur several times each year.
>
> The format I would use is daily, progressive practice; with a quiz at the end
> of each week, with a cumulative quiz to coincide with our March celebrations.
> The goal should be gradual building of one's ability to speak Latin fluently.
> Thus, a "See Spot run; see Spot run fast; see Spot run after the cat" approach
> will help me, a elementary Latinist.
>
> ATS: Over the course of any given ludus, there may be such a progressive
> exercise. Since new people arrive all the time, any one may be too advanced
> for any other, so we do not increase the difficulty between sets of ludi. The
> certamina themselves used to take different forms, such as puzzles, but this
> more educational one is that which the current presenter prefers.
>
>  
> Also, instead of scaring us with the "forbidden" messages, just tell us
> directly what we're supposed to do. For me, I see forbidden, and I'm off to
> the next email, barely looking at the "forbidden" email.
>
> ATS: There is nothing scary about those messages. They are there because
> someone inevitably answers the questions by hitting reply instead of sending
> them to the person responsible for the quiz. That happened in this set of
> ludi already, though not in the Latin contest. When I had to conduct one of
> my courses on a Yahoo list, students occasionally answered test questions
> onsite, too (or tried to; that is why there is moderation...). That is why we
> must emphasize this, especially since not everyone here is familiar with such
> matters, or is a native speaker of English. Lentulus, the Latin quiz
> presenter, is not a native English speaker, and neither are many of our
> citizens.
>
>
> For example, I would say: ALL QUIZ ENTRIES ARE TO BE TURNED IN TO abc@...
> <mailto:abc%40yaya.com> . DO NOT TURN IN QUIZ ENTRIES THROUGH REPLY.
>
> ATS: And when one sees a sign on the highway which says Construction
> Zone: Speed Limit 45 MPH, everyone of course obeys this...like so much. The
> reading level has dropped immensely.
>
> I love your passion, but its a bit much at once to take, given the other 101
> things I need to do.
> Eagar to learn incrementally,
>
> ATS: There are courses for that purpose...though the increments might be
> too large for some.
>
> Ti. Marci Quadra
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <>
> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 9:16 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] LUDI NOVI ROMANI - Certamen Latinum #2 (Latin Quiz)
>
>
>  
> ***Posting quiz answers to the mailing list is FORBIDDEN!***
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Cn. Lentulus scriba aedilis curulis C. Mariae Caecae: Quiritibus: S. P. D.
>
> What is with you, Romans? Come on now, let's show to the world there is at
> least 10 of you who can do this Contest! :) Those who participate, I swear,
> will learn the full structure of Latin within 10 days! Is not it worth a try?
> Senators, priests? You MUST try it. Only T. Valeria Celeris, praetrix St.
> Cornelia Iuliana Valeriana Aeternia, aedilis P. Annæus Constantinus Placidus,
> tribuna plebis V. Aemilia Regilla and tribunus plebis A. Liburnius Hadrianus
> answered Question #1 - glory to these 5 ladies and gentlemen, saving Nova Roma
> from shame! :) And among the contestants: P. Annaeus Placidus! Winner of every
> Latin contest in the last year, the formidable Placidus :) - Who can beat him?
> Perhaps YOU - who think about participating...
>
> It's ludi time, people! Let's celebrate and honor good old Mother Nova Roma
> with some playing and gaming! Follow the example of these five outstanding
> Romans above.
>
> Now I *EXTEND* the deadline for the first set of questions, and at the bottom
> of this message you will find Question #1 after today's Question #2. You can
> find yesterday's question here:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum#March_3r
> d_-_Day_3_of_the_Ludi_Novi_Romani_.E2.80.93_Question_1_of_the_Certamen_Latinum
>
> Ranking, pointing and grading the answers of those who are already
> participating will follow after publishing the next question. 
>
> You get an additional 48 hours to answer them, and the deadline for Question #
> is now the same as for Question #2. You can send them together with today's
> question, to this address:
>
> <cnaeus_cornelius@... <mailto:cnaeus_cornelius%40yahoo.com> >
>
> And remember! Not only citizens can participate, but any visitor of Nova Roma!
> And there is prize! A very nice prize, for the winner.
>
> You can follow the Certamen Latin on our ludus webpage, too:
> http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum
>
> March 4th - Day 4 of the Ludi Novi Romani ­ Question 2 of the Certamen Latinum
>
> I. INTRODUCTION 2 - Dictionary Forms of Verbs
>
> Previously we discussed the dictionary form of the Latin nouns. We have
> learned that the dictionary forms of the nouns include the genitive
> (possessive) form of the noun, and its ending determines the entire inflection
> of the noun, the declension of the noun.
>
> Today we study the dictionary forms of the verbs. How can we decide what
> conjugation (verb inflection group) a verb belongs to?
>
> In the case of the verb ³have², you will find:
>
> habeo ­ére, -bui, -bitum
>
> This is 4 pieces of information:
>
> (1) habeo; it is the first person singular of the verb ³have². It means ³I
> have².
>
> (2) ­ere; it¹s an abbreviation of ³habere², the infinite of the verb. It means
> ³to have².
>
> (3) ­bui; it¹s an abbreviation of ³habui², the perfect tense of the verb. It
> means ³I have had² or ³I had².
>
> (4) ­bitum; abbreviation of ³habitum², it¹s the supine (or the past
> participle).
>
> This verb¹s infinitive, ³habére² (to have), indicated in the dictionary form
> as ³­ére² shows that this verb belongs to the 2nd conjugations, as all verbs
> that have the infinitive ending ³-ére² belong to the 2nd conjugation. The
> second dictionary element, the infinitive, determines which conjugation the
> verb belongs to. The four types of infinitive endings and the four
> conjugations determined by the different genitive endings are:
>
> -are = 1st conjugation; e.g.: amo, -are, -avi, -atum (I love)
>
> -ére = 2nd conjugation; e.g.: habeo, -ere, -bui, -bitum (I have)
>
> -ere = 3rd conjugation; e.g.: dico, -ere, dixi, dictum (I say)
>
> -ire = 4th conjugation; e.g.: audio, -ire, -ivi, -itum (I hear)
>
> Note that ³­ere², which is short vowel, is different from ³­ére², which is
> long vowel.
>
> You will find more information about the dictionary forms of verbs here, on
> our website: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Conjugation
>
> II. QUESTION 2
>
> Use the Latin dictionary that we used last time, or, if you have to use an
> online Latin dictionary, use this one:
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=k1ZFAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=en#v=onep
> age&q&f=false
> <http://books.google.com/books?id=k1ZFAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=
> en#v=onepage&q&f=false>
>
> Look into the dictionary and determine which conjugations the following 10
> verbs belong to (10 x 1 pts).
>
> Solve the abbreviations and spell out, write out the full forms of their
> infinitive form (10 x 0.5 pts) and their perfect tense form (10 x 0.5 pts),
> and their supine/past participle (10 x 0.5 pts).
>
> deleo
> creo
> sentio
> video
> mitto
> scio
> rogo
> cupio
>
> III. AN EXAMPLE HOW TO DO IT:
>
> ago;
>
> - after looking into a dictionary, you will find its dictionary form is ³ago,
> -ere, egi, actum², so you will give the following data:
>
> ago, 3rd conjugation (1pt); agere (0.5pt), egi (0.5pt), actum (0.5pt)
>
> Comments: it¹s 3rd conjugation because the infinitive (second dictionary form)
> ³­ere² ending shows it. If it were ³­ére² with long vowel ³é², it would have
> been 2nd conjugation.
>
> IV. RULES OF THE CERTAMEN LATINUM
>
> One question a day will be posted, participants must send their answers
> not to this e-mail address but to <cnaeus_cornelius@...
> <mailto:cnaeus_cornelius%40yahoo.com> >
> within 24 hours of posting. Please do *not* post answers to the list!
>
> The correct answers of the previous day and interim results will be announced
> together with the posting of the next questions.
>
> SEE TODAY'S QUESTION ON OUR WEBSITE:
> http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Novi_Romani/MMDCCLXV/Certamen_Latinum
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87605 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Et Mos Maiorum Re: Paterfamilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
>
> A.Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
>
> Iulia Corneliae Aeterniae C.Claudio Axenrotho Omnibusque S.P.D
>
> LIA: Excellent subject for many reasons. You should not need a disclaimer to
> discuss ancient Roman aspects, but I am a bit more lenient than most;) The
> subject of Paterfamilias as seen in Nova Roma for Roman's of a new age which
> opens up and even wider subject and in some cases lively conversations
> regarding just how much of the old Republic in our everyday modern lives.
>
> Example - Roman Clothing: Speaking for myself, I am not fond of Roman clothing
> because there is too much cloth to keep track of. Basic, simple reason, I do
> not find it comfortable for normal everyday functions of modern life although
> occasionally I will wear a short tunica around the house. I will don
> appropriate clothing for ritual however – but this is an important part of
> ritual even so I wear a Khiton and a head covering – I do not wear a palla
> because it is a fire hazard.
>
> I do know citizens who do wear Roman Clothing throughout the day but it is
> usually a short tunic/a. Magistra Scholastica and the Rota family wears Roman
> Clothing with some frequency.
>
> ATS: As a classicist, and a low-level reenactor, I do wear ancient
> clothing, especially in the extremes of summer when it is much more
> comfortable than many of our tailored-tradition garments. Some other
> classicists follow suit, and so does at least one member of the R. family. If
> classical garments are girt correctly, they are not difficult to manage,
> albeit a bit more so than tailored-tradition clothing. The Indian sari needs
> a little management, too...
>
> Growing up in a household with a rich Roman, and stoic, heritage many of my
> customs and traditions have a very Roman flavor, including the religio (we
> were/are not Pagan, Christian etc) and like Romans we have enjoyed and
> respected others traditions, customs and religions. My father, his brothers,
> my grandparents all spoke and conversed in Latin – esp. when discussing
> business. They also spoke Italian and French, amongst others including
> dialects. Most of the males were in the armed services where they served
> proudly. Our heritage is also in the foods we eat, the way we prepared the
> food. It is our daily functions, our mores, our behavior, our thoughts, and
> our hearts. This is part of Mos Maiorum, how one's behavior, traditions and
> customs reflect the best of Rome.
>
> Another part of this "mos maiorum" is the ability to advance, to be innovative
> and to take these advancements and innovations to the best use.
>
> ATS: Yes.
>
> The mos maiorum is a living evolving unwritten code, ancestral customs from
> one generation to another per the Roman family and society in which they live.
> The family and society has changed from Roman times and so we will have a
> modern mos maiorum. In my family I have no question of our private mos
> maiorum and religio.
>
>> >Aeternia: "we are still trying to define and have established a permanent
>> foundation for such said Mos Maiorum."
>
> LIA: Here in Nova Roma or anywhere for that matter, we cannot legislate,
> define or dictate mos maiorum, esp. one that is still in infancy and we have
> yet to even begin to form cohesively because of the swift turnover of citizens
> and the disequilibrium of infighting that has plagued this yet young
> respublica.
> The mos maiorum is a is a result of our breathing living ideology of Rome's
> customs, traditions, mores – as Seutonius said: "All new that is done
> contrary to the usage and the customs of our ancestors, seems not to be
> right." But because the mos maiorum was a matter of custom, not written law,
> the complex norms it embodied evolved over time. "
>
> Overtime. This is how the mos maiorum of Nova Roma will be formed, not through
> dissection, definition, legislation etc. etc. To attempt to do so will not
> improve or further the mos maiorum, nor will it negate it – it is simply not
> applicable.
>
> GCA: "Roman society was a rigidly patriarchal society"
>
> LIA: Not too long ago so was most of Western Society – in some cases more
> rigid than others, and in many cases there is still an element of this today
> partly because it is a primal instinct that the most powerful in the unit is
> the leader or head. By the 1960's this began to change but there are numerous
> traditional family units still where the male is the unofficial head of the
> house – still part of the old Western Mos Maiorum that is changing towards a
> new Western Mos Maiorum more in line with today's world. Single Parents,
> female head of households, People who do not wish to enter into family life
> choosing career over family etc.
>
> ATS: Indeed, there are many places where this sort of view prevails even
> today. Some of us consider that rather benighted.
>
> Our modern mos maiorum is a chiaroscuro of ideologies, traditions, mores etc.
> But this is the nature of the mos maiorum.
> We can explore the NATURE of the mos maiorum, but we can NOT legislate or
> dictate what by its very nature is not applicable.
>
> ATS: Exactly.
>
> GCA:"The Roman household, the essential building block of Roman society, was a
> self contained economic and judicial unit composed of the pater familias,
> wife, children, servants, and slaves and his legal, social, and religious
> position as pater familias was defined as a microcosm of the Roman state as a
> whole."
>
> LIA: Perfect example of the mos maiorum's abilty to change compared to modern
> life. That is an integral part of the mos maiorum, without change, or dynamic
> complement to legislation, there would be no mos maiorum. Slavery is illegal,
> Women and Men now have equals rights, as do children and they are protected
> from parents who do not respect these rights, and we now have
> anti-discrimination laws and so on.
>
> So as society evolves so does the mos maiorum.
>
> We are not patriarchal in the ancient way (many laws we would break) as a
> society although in private families there may still be an element of
> seemingly patriarchal evidence. But we have a choice now, some families may
> designate one or the other partner to handle bills, work, dealing with the
> outside world and the other deals with the home and children. These tasks (and
> similar public componants) will always exist as basic building blocks of our
> society but our modern society is changing them to be the new tradition rather
> than what they have been called at one point as "non-tradition."
>
> The most Roman aspect we can all adopt is continually moving forward,
> continual progress. Without which mos maiorum can't exist.
>
> GCA: Isn't it this society, more so than the speech,dress, or food, that we
> seek
>
> LIA: But it is through speech, dress and food that we communicate our Mos
> Maiorum, and in very significant ways, one can tell a lot from a society from
> these aspects. I think you might have meant this as a rhetorical question, but
> I had to address it.
>
> GCA: "the mos maiorum, the cursus honorum, virtus, are all components we seek
> yet we turn them on their head so we now have the empty titles that have lost
> their flavor?"
>
> Possibly again a rhetorical question. The cursus honorum and the virtues are
> part of the mos maiorum. Virtues, like the mos maiorum, cannot be truly
> defined because they are demonstrated. They can only truly be defined in
> context to the person who displays them in an action.
> The cursus honorum has always been respected in Nova Roma, some have not taken
> in a linear fashion because of a need in this young respublica, but do not
> think for one moment that is not part of our respublica. "Warm bodies" and
> title-lovers have existed since ancient times; it is not optimal but happens.
> I am not a appreciative of "warm bodies" or title-lovers, however when they
> prove they rise to the occasion then I am pleasantly glad.
>
> GCA: "Can a man truly seek to follow an old religion when he redefines it to
> fit modern day sensibilities and politically correct methods of thought."
>
> Of course, as can a woman. My recent ancestors handled it nicely and to me it
> is natural.
>
> GCA: "And if we reject that that hierarchical society and the clearly defined
> gender roles that were a large component, are we truly seeking to emulate it,
> or just engage in dress up role playing?"
>
> The first thing is relinquish the idea of Role Playing, it has no place in the
> respublic (unless it is done as a game in your own domus or even in a tavern,
> for example).
>
> ATS: Indeed.
>
>
> I cannot speak for everyone as we all have our own reasons for joining which
> stems from our Love of Roman Culture. There is so much to Roman Culture, it is
> infused in Western, and in some Eastern cultures as well. Our US laws are
> based on Roma Law, some of our foods, clothing – gowns based on Greco-Roman
> design appoint proms all over the US, our architecture, arts etc. We can, like
> any society, discard what doesn't work, what is against the law, against our
> mores etc and still have enough, more than enough, to build out respublica and
> form a mos maiorum that even the Gods would be proud of, the ancestors would
> be proud of and that we can be proud of and live with.
>
> ATS: Exactly.
>
> GCA: "Can a senator not be a pater familias in his own household if he has no
> living pater familias of his own?"
>
> Sure, why not? This is in his private home and with his own family.
>
> GCA: "And if so can a female be a pater familias in Nova Roma?"
>
> ATS: Well, she can¹t be a PATER familias, but she certainly can be a
> MATER familias.
>
> Sure, I am materfamilias in my family.
>
> What are historical impossibilities according to a corresponding ancient mos
> maiorum are now subject to modern and updated possibilities – and by its
> nature our mos maiorum will reflect this.
>
> Vale, et valete optime,
> Julia
>
> Vale, et valete.
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87606 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Female Roman Citizens Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Ro
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Iulia Omnibusque S.P.D
>
> Based on a philological discussion with Petronius last year regarding the
> meaning of words used in relation to Female Roman citizens:
>
> Matronae
> This is used married woman, divorcee or widow who has had children. I am a
> matron because I have been married and have children. Mothers are also
> referred to as Matris (Matres, Mater).
>
> Domina
> Married women only, with or without children. But as Petronius pointed out
> this also means the woman has slaves or is "boss." So i may continue to use
> this during the Ludi in my role as Albata boss;)
>
> ATS: This term has rather unpleasant associations (as does the male
> equivalent, dominus), so we do not use it as a form of address. It is
> properly used to refer to a boss, but not to any woman one pleases. Strictly,
> however, the mistress of slaves is called an era / hera, and the master
> thereof an erus / herus. Domina factionis is reasonably proper.
>
> Virgo
> Refers to unmarried women who have never been married and are therefore
> considered Virgo.- unless they are concubines or prostitutes - then the label
> that fits is used. Praetrix Aeternia and Censor Scholastica fit this category
>
> ATS: Well, mulier is likely a much better term, since I doubt that women
> of our age are, um, all that innocent. Virgines are more properly those too
> young to be married, or Vestales.
>
> Feminae
> Refers to any female. Aedile Maria fits this category (as do I, Magistra and
> Aeternia;))
>
> ATS: Femina also refers to any female animal, too; there is an extensive
> discussion on part of the nomenclature instructions for our schola about male
> and female frogs (given that rana is feminine in Latin, then how does one
> specify a male frog...)... Thus it is the considered opinion of our expert
> Latinist that mulier is much better for referring to women.
>
> Valete optime,
> Julia
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87607 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Salve!

"Interesting. Personally I think its a serious accusation and if someone is cowardly enough to open the conversation without being forthright and completely honest, especially when given hearsay is as serious as a charge of being misogynistic elements - as you have so clarified. It is no different than the tactics of using paid informers. So, I would suggest you give up your source or find another organization to belong to. Because I also find it telling that you seemed to have no problem joining an organization that you have been told might have misogynistic elements. Either way its damn telling."

I joined first so I didn't join an organization I had been told was anything other than what it appeared to be. I didn't solicit the private message and it was sent with the direction to keep it private.

I thought the charge was serious enough to investigate but being new here there seem to be undercurrents I was unaware of when joining.

I would be happy to discuss the matter privately.

Vale!

G Claudius Axenrothus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87608 From: Yehya Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma
Salve!

"Personally I think its a serious accusation and if someone is
cowardly enough to open the conversation without being forthright and
completely honest, especially when given hearsay is as serious as a charge of being misogynistic elements - as you have so clarified."

I wasn't sure if this was directed at me so I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were not calling me cowardly. Are you suggesting I should simply have posted that someone had told me, privately, that Nova Roma contained misogynistic elements and asked for a response? It seems a bit like asking "do you beat your wife" in that everyone would deny it regardless of fact.

So what I did was construct a plausible scenario that would allow the underlying charge, that the current leadership of Nova Roma is opposed to women in positions of power, to be aired in a plausible atmosphere without being overtly misogynistic. That the response was so overwhelmingly in favor of the current position speaks well of the organization.

As to sharing the source I made a mistake. As the email stated at the beginning it was a private communication not to be shared I should have stopped reading at that point. As I did continue I did so under the restriction that was placed on me and I see no other honorable course then to try to adhere to at least the confidentially of the source.

It appears I have stepped into a hornets nest consisting of disgruntled members still affected by the recent upheavals in Nova Roma. As a new member trying to pick my way clear of the unseen pits and sharpened sticks without knowing the lay of the land and do so in an honorable manner I am simply trying to solicit information in as straight forward a manner as possible. Nothing in my original post was truly deceptive in that I asked questions honestly, stated it was not my position, and stated my goal of trying to understand the underlying philosophical goals of Nova Roma.

It is obvious there are still factions in Nova Roma and as a new member there appears that there may be some attempt to influence my thinking towards one of those factions. Or it could merely be an attempt to justify positions held by other members. Either way I see nothing cowardly in the course I choose to follow.

Vale!

Gaius Claudius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 87609 From: Denise D. Date: 2012-03-06
Subject: Re: Female Roman Citizens Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Ro
Regilla omnibus sal.

Scholastica, is there other form for referring to women?

Mulier means woman/mulher. It's a little strange to talk to a friend saying Hi woman!/Oi mulher! or This is mulier Regilla/Essa é a mulher Regilla.

Bene valete!
 
--
V.A. Regilla

Tribuna Plebis
Legata Pro Praetore Provinciae Argentinae
Legata Pro Praetore Provinciae Brasiliae


________________________________
De: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Terça-feira, 6 de Março de 2012 7:59
Assunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Female Roman Citizens Re: Paterfalilias, patriarchy, and Nova Roma


 
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Iulia Omnibusque S.P.D
>
> Based on a philological discussion with Petronius last year regarding the
> meaning of words used in relation to Female Roman citizens:
>
> Matronae
> This is used married woman, divorcee or widow who has had children. I am a
> matron because I have been married and have children. Mothers are also
> referred to as Matris (Matres, Mater).
>
> Domina
> Married women only, with or without children. But as Petronius pointed out
> this also means the woman has slaves or is "boss." So i may continue to use
> this during the Ludi in my role as Albata boss;)
>
> ATS: This term has rather unpleasant associations (as does the male
> equivalent, dominus), so we do not use it as a form of address. It is
> properly used to refer to a boss, but not to any woman one pleases. Strictly,
> however, the mistress of slaves is called an era / hera, and the master
> thereof an erus / herus. Domina factionis is reasonably proper.
>
> Virgo
> Refers to unmarried women who have never been married and are therefore
> considered Virgo.- unless they are concubines or prostitutes - then the label
> that fits is used. Praetrix Aeternia and Censor Scholastica fit this category
>
> ATS: Well, mulier is likely a much better term, since I doubt that women
> of our age are, um, all that innocent. Virgines are more properly those too
> young to be married, or Vestales.
>
> Feminae
> Refers to any female. Aedile Maria fits this category (as do I, Magistra and
> Aeternia;))
>
> ATS: Femina also refers to any female animal, too; there is an extensive
> discussion on part of the nomenclature instructions for our schola about male
> and female frogs (given that rana is feminine in Latin, then how does one
> specify a male frog...)... Thus it is the considered opinion of our expert
> Latinist that mulier is much better for referring to women.
>
> Valete optime,
> Julia
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>

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