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Sta. Cornelia Aeternia A. Tulliae Scholasticae Cn. Iulio Caesari Consuli
S.P.D.

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Aeternia: There you have it. Scholastica has no desire to be a Scriba
under Caesar's administration she has made that desire quite apparent. And
Caesar likewise, there it's done. (Do I have to the read the story of
Hansel & Gretel the *original* version to get this point across? It's done.)

Although Scholastica it is not Caesar's fault that people are running
unopposed, the Consul nor any other Magistrate can force people to run.
That desire has to come from the people themselves. People have to want to
run for office, this year that spark needs to be reclaimed.

Some other points Magistra, as I have been reading your posts of "streaming
conscience" this very early morning.

There is a difference between welcoming a citizen with sending a post of
"welcome and finding more about them". Than telling them the entire
History of NR "The Bad, The Ugly, & The Horrifying". Before you slip on
the mask of coquettishness, I've seen some of the handiwork from some
new citizens of 2011 who came to me privately. Yes I know you see it as
these new citizens "need to be prepared for the worst", however it's now
coddling and molding their mindsets to what you seem is appropriate.
That's a subliminal form of control Scholastica, perhaps you do it with the
best intentions of taking Den-Mothering to a whole new level of
protecting. However our new citizens are adults let them think for
themselves and come to their own conclusions of whose party is "Good",
"Evil" and lets not forget "Neutral". Again they are not children but
individuals with their own voices.

Looks like I went on my own tangent, my apologies on that end.

Valete Optime,
Aeternia
--
"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"


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M. Caninus A. Scholasticae SPD

Magistra, you stated:
"In my Grammatica I course I tell the students up front what they will
face: Latin has a host of grammatical forms which English used to have,
but chucked centuries ago. If you want to learn Latin, you must learn
these forms, and how to use them. Some of them run away after seeing my
preliminary lessons (which contain such information), as one did this
year, and a couple did some years ago. Better to know what you are going
to see, and are going to have to learn."

I have read this kind of thing from you before but I have to question
how do you know that you have students who are fleeing your class
because the grammar scares them? Latin is pretty much a walk in the park
for anyone whose native tongue is a modern Indo-European language -
especially English, French, Spanish, Italian or Romanian. Learning
Finnish, Hungarian, Navaho or Yupik on the other hand would probably
make a native English speaker's head spin. Virtually any native English
speaker can master Latin or Greek without much difficulty by simply
putting in the time to study and there are plenty of online resources to
assist one in the task. The folks who really have a tough time and
should be congratulated profusely are the Finns who master German or
Latin or the Hungarians who master English or Latin because there are
huge differences between how Uralic languages and Indo-European
languages organize the world and express thoughts.

So, why would students drop out when faced with a little bit of grammar?
I would think that most of your students are already well aware of the
grammar issues before they register for your courses. After all, it
should be no surprise to a member of a Roman revivalist organization
that Latin differs a bit from English. Which tends to make this whole
idea of students running away scared because of the grammar seem a bit
odd, especially in the first couple of weeks when the grammar consists
primarily of the nominative case and simple present tense and the
vocabulary consists mostly of words that are somewhat familiar to
English speakers.

Just wondering...

Vale optime!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

Ave Fellow reprimandee of the Senate. :)

You and I are linked by our reprimands. Embrace it Scholastica. Just as I
have. Have you actually apologized for your reprimand? Did you do your
piaculum?

At least my reprimand was what 15 years ago? LOL Yours was THIS YEAR.

Hacking Dude, I wish I had hacking skillz.....But, I don't. I never had.
You make me sound like a superhero..Sulla the all knowing and the
discoverer of secrets. Hey maybe that's a good thing. ;) I enjoy the
fear and lies that are generated about me.

Thanks for the laugh again for the day. Oh fellow Reprimandee! ;)

Vale,

Sulla

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Ave!

As a college professor, granted in business related subjects, I can state
from experience since I do interact with about 20,000 other faculty on
forums. I have never heard of another professor state that they know they
have students run away from class. That seems, whats the word, counter
productive. If you are having students run away (like mice off a sinking
ship) perhaps its not the topic they are running away from, but maybe
perhaps the teacher? And, some personal self assessment should be
forthcoming to find ways to improve one's facilitation so that students
running away is minimized to the number of 0? But, then I actually want my
students to pass their classes.

Vale,

Sulla

C. Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD,

This conversation was mistakenly not sent to the main forum so I'm
forwarding it.

Valete optime,
Crassus

C. Maria Caeca C. Aemilio Crasso omnibusque in foro S. P. D.

Since this post touches on some things I have been considering recently, perhaps it would not be inappropriate to share some of my thoughts, here.

When I was a prospective citizen, I joined both the main list and the Newroman list. I soon realized that the best thing to do on the Main list was ...read carefully, and say nothing, until I had learned a great deal, and that is where the Newroman list was incredibly helpful. We did, indeed discuss Nova Roma, but in an extremely objective and unbiassed manner. We could (and the good gods know I did) ask questions, but they were about how things worked, which magistrates did what, and how what we did reflected ancient customs. I specifically remember one incident. I forget now who was involved, but a trial was being prepared, and I asked for an explanation of how trials were conducted in NR. I was given that information, without comment concerning the specific issues involved. The procedures were carefully explained to me, as were the roles of all involved. I remember also that several of us who were in the citizenship waiting period shared views, questions, and, when appropriate, our pleasure at passing the citizenship test and becoming full citizens.

I am not going to wax nostalgic about how we did things back then. Frankly, there is no point in doing so. Though our procedures have changed, I think many of our newest citizens would like to have the same kind of venue for asking questions, and I would like to see them be able to do so on the FH. This gives new citizens a chance to observe what is going on and get assistance in figuring it all out and putting it into perspective. The FH would have to walk a fine line, here, because all such discussions should, to my mind, be absolutely objective and unbiassed. The FH is not the place to debate internal policy, but it could be a place where new citizens could learn how we work, what we do, and why. This, of course, would only work if the long term citizens agreed to refrain from using the FH as a platform for their specific views or agenda. But, I have seen it done, and done well, so I am hopeful that it could be done again. I also think that this would increase activity on the FH. While issues involving ancient Roman history and culture are of interest to our newest citizens (that is partly what attracted them to us, after all), what is of immediate interest is Nova Roma, herself.

And yes, I am aware of the constraints placed upon the FH by its founding document. Perhaps that document could either be amended, or an interpretation be made that would allow a more liberal definition of "internal affairs", one that would allow for explanations of such things as procedures, or definitions of magistracies, for example.

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca

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Ave!

I think that is a great idea and should be connected into further
developing the FAQ that I believe is still listed on the NR website.
Everyone has questions even old and long time citizens. All of those
questions can and should be added to expand the FAQ.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Ave, Senator!

A comprehensive FAQ is, I think, absolutely essential, but it does not allow
for discussion or follow up questions, or something as seemingly simple as
saying the same thing in different ways to assist in comprehension. If we
could do both, we would, I think, have the best of both worlds, especially
since a comprehensive and regularly updated FAQ would also act as a handy
reference for all citizens.

Vale!
C. Maria Caeca

Ave!

Oh I agree if anything a comprehensive and even a structured FAQ will
usually just be the start of the discussion. The key thing is to keep the
FAQ updated, just as you suggested.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Caninus sal.

You know, since we all agree that an updated, and perhaps well
structured and somewhat interactive, FAQ is a good way to help new
citizens, perhaps the incoming Praetors could take this on as a project.
And since a FAQ is not able to engage in dialog when questions are being
researched perhaps appointing a scribe or rotating scribes to handle
questions and discussions from the FAQ would be a good idea.

Valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Candidacy for
Praetor
From: "C. Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@... Date: Sat, December 15, 2012 12:13 pm
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Ave, Senator!

A comprehensive FAQ is, I think, absolutely essential, but it does not
allow
for discussion or follow up questions, or something as seemingly simple
as
saying the same thing in different ways to assist in comprehension. If
we
could do both, we would, I think, have the best of both worlds,
especially
since a comprehensive and regularly updated FAQ would also act as a
handy
reference for all citizens.

Vale!
C. Maria Caeca

Salvete,

I would fourth that there should be a updated FAQ on the site on even as a
document to be uploaded as file for the ML yahoogroups site.

I would be hesitant to see changes however open to the possibility if the
guidelines were altered very delicately and not straying too far from the
original SC.

And the moderation settings not be changed for some people get rather
"passionate" about their opinions and not always in a good light...

Because the FH is supposed to be a "drama-free" list and it's the only
drama free list we have..... Having it become the Main LIst #2 would be
pointless to the original intent.

Valete bene,
Aeternia


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Salvete, Quirites!

Sarmatian Nova Romans, including Ti. Claudius Drusus, and other associate and collaborant reenactor groups celebrate Saturnalia together, in a joint event, that's also a Nova Roman event for our glory:

http://www.facebook.com/events/105893096247295/

I shared this information upon notification from Ti. Claudius Drusus, Nova Roman activist and Roman religious expert.

This is an invitation, albeit a bit late, so any Nova Roman who can go there, contact me or Claudius ASAP.

I hope this information reaches any Nova Roman who can and wishes to go.

VALETE!
Cn. Lentulus et Ti. Claudius


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Liburnius Quiritibus S.P.D.

I have checked out Sulla's "Censor handbook" and I think it was very well done and could be used still today.

While I agree that a FAQ is important, I would like to present a slightly different take on this issue. It is based on my life experience, since throughout my life, I have resided and worked, chronologically, in Italy, Switzerland, Italy, United States, France Germany and United States. In none of these nations, did I notice any attempt to shield any immigrant, tourist or passing foreigner from what was going on there.

Nothing was censured and nothing was deemed inappropriate for general discussion. Most of the times my questions about local politics or other local social issues were answered in fairly unbiased  way, minimizing .the divergences and and maximizing the goodness of the country in question. Rverybody was kind of putting forward the best foot. I also noticed, when question were put to me, that I, almost automatically, tried to be as diplomatic in my answers as they were.

Everybody in Nova Roma, like it or not, is an immigrant from the macro-world: nobody is born "Nova-Roman". Everybody  comes here voluntarily and, becoming a citizen, accepts the same code of conduct and enjoys the same rights.

I am not sure that the kindness of preventing  "shocks" to potential citizens is preparing them  to the "warts" popping up "shockingly" after they actually become citizens, nor, if I may use maybe incorrectly, two strong worlds, that  segregation and censorship are the first impression we want to leave in them. 


Valete optime



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From: M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Candidacy for Praetor


 
Caninus sal.

You know, since we all agree that an updated, and perhaps well
structured and somewhat interactive, FAQ is a good way to help new
citizens, perhaps the incoming Praetors could take this on as a project.
And since a FAQ is not able to engage in dialog when questions are being
researched perhaps appointing a scribe or rotating scribes to handle
questions and discussions from the FAQ would be a good idea.

Valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!




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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Candidacy for
Praetor
From: "C. Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@... Date: Sat, December 15, 2012 12:13 pm
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Ave, Senator!

A comprehensive FAQ is, I think, absolutely essential, but it does not
allow
for discussion or follow up questions, or something as seemingly simple
as
saying the same thing in different ways to assist in comprehension. If
we
could do both, we would, I think, have the best of both worlds,
especially
since a comprehensive and regularly updated FAQ would also act as a
handy
reference for all citizens.

Vale!
C. Maria Caeca

Ave,

Well the "warts" and all issue was not just the reason for the creation of
the FH list. One could go as far back to the creation of the Nova Roma
Announce list to hear citizens decrying the amount of mail that was
generated on the ML. But then also was the hit and run tactics of certain
ex citizens.

On the Back Alley for example (I do not know if this happened on the ML)
but for months we had a flurry of gay porn spam. Luckily we had some
controls in place to prevent that from hitting the list - and even if it
did the BA is full of adults. The ML on the other hand does allow minors
on there and the explicit gay porn would be way overboard.

Think of the ML as a gated community - one needs to press the proper gate
code to be allowed to enter. Many of us probably live in residential
communities where we have gates to keep out the riff raff/vagrants and
other who have no place in the community. NR is no different.

Everyone is welcome on the FH list regardless of membership. That is how
it should be and our Praetors and their scribes do an excellent job!

Respectfully,

Sulla

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C. Petronius C. Mariae Caecae salutem dicit,
 
We perfectly know why the FH (Forum Hospitum) was created, not at all for citizenship's first steps but for put away former citizens politically trolling the (Main list) Forum Romanum. A citizen, even in his probatory period, indeed, may be member of the Main List, and none other list may be so able to form new citizens to our NR life than the ML. It was the same in ancient Rome, nothing more teaching than the Forum. You want to give FH scopes for which it is not created. The FH is obligatory for no citizens and allowed to the citizens, it is not the place to explain our internal civic life. I know that some want to use the FH in order to recruit new citizens and perhaps followers, but it is a nonsense and that did not work. For me the best is to delete this FH, but that perhaps will happen when we will have consuls merely moved by the best for NR citizens and Nova Roma too. 
 
Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. XVII Kalendas Ianuarias MMDCCLXV 

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De : C. Maria Caeca <c.mariacaeca@... À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Samedi 15 décembre 2012 22h00
Objet : Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Candidacy for Praetor


 

C. Maria Caeca C. Aemilio Crasso omnibusque in foro S. P. D.

Since this post touches on some things I have been considering recently, perhaps it would not be inappropriate to share some of my thoughts, here.

When I was a prospective citizen, I joined both the main list and the Newroman list. I soon realized that the best thing to do on the Main list was ...read carefully, and say nothing, until I had learned a great deal, and that is where the Newroman list was incredibly helpful. We did, indeed discuss Nova Roma, but in an extremely objective and unbiassed manner. We could (and the good gods know I did) ask questions, but they were about how things worked, which magistrates did what, and how what we did reflected ancient customs. I specifically remember one incident. I forget now who was involved, but a trial was being prepared, and I asked for an explanation of how trials were conducted in NR. I was given that information, without comment concerning the specific issues involved. The procedures were carefully explained to me, as were the roles of all involved. I remember also that several of us who were in the citizenship waiting period shared views,
questions, and, when appropriate, our pleasure at passing the citizenship test and becoming full citizens.

I am not going to wax nostalgic about how we did things back then. Frankly, there is no point in doing so. Though our procedures have changed, I think many of our newest citizens would like to have the same kind of venue for asking questions, and I would like to see them be able to do so on the FH. This gives new citizens a chance to observe what is going on and get assistance in figuring it all out and putting it into perspective. The FH would have to walk a fine line, here, because all such discussions should, to my mind, be absolutely objective and unbiassed. The FH is not the place to debate internal policy, but it could be a place where new citizens could learn how we work, what we do, and why. This, of course, would only work if the long term citizens agreed to refrain from using the FH as a platform for their specific views or agenda. But, I have seen it done, and done well, so I am hopeful that it could be done again. I also think that
this would increase activity on the FH. While issues involving ancient Roman history and culture are of interest to our newest citizens (that is partly what attracted them to us, after all), what is of immediate interest is Nova Roma, herself.

And yes, I am aware of the constraints placed upon the FH by its founding document. Perhaps that document could either be amended, or an interpretation be made that would allow a more liberal definition of "internal affairs", one that would allow for explanations of such things as procedures, or definitions of magistracies, for example.

Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca

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A. Tullia Scholastica L. Cornelio Sullae S.D.

No one ever drops out? No one ever gets sick? No one has a new baby?
No one gets injured? No one has to move due to work, or gets dumped on and
cannot continue due to overwork? That is remarkable...but our students are
adults, not kids, and these things happen to them. Some are college
students, and have plenty of other courses to keep them busy. Incidentally,
a local college has a 50% dropout rate in ALL foreign languages AFTER ONE
SEMESTER. Foreign language is often a lot harder than B-school. As it
happens, we just got a note from a student wishing to re-enter; he was a
Latin teacher (many in Sermo are; the courses are unique), and did not have
the time to continue, but now he is a musician, and has time for Latin.
Some of our students have been hospitalized with life-threatening illnesses;
some have spouses or children or parents in such situations. That comes
first.


It is for them, yes.

Sorry to disappoint you, but most of mine really like me--and I do not
teach all of the Sermo courses. We now have two other teachers to assist.

Let me know when cancer, strokes, heart attacks, injuries, hurricanes,
earthquakes, forest fires, extreme changes in work conditions, heavy
academic loads, etc., disappear. College-age kids rarely have such
problems. Adults, some of whom are in their 50s and 60s or older, often do.
One superior student had to move from Houston to backwoods Alaska, with no
net access, in order to take care of an ailing parent. Guess that sort of
thing causes fleeing any course, especially a totally voluntary online one.


So do I. Someone I know, however, had a professor in the B-school who
taught something called Corporation Finance; this charmer flunked all
students the first time around, and many the second time around; those who
got a D the second time around considered themselves lucky. At least they
passed, and presumably were free from this jerk.

Oh, by the way: most of my students not only pass; they do quite well.

I thought you were some sort of corporate comptroller at a steel
company...did you give up on that?
Vale.

C. Aemilius Crassus C. Petronio Dextro C. Mariae Caecae omnibusque SPD,

Caeca you are right the old newroman list was an excellent list kept
without or very little bias where citizens, new and old, and non
citizens could ask and talk concerning NR and other subjects without no
one tried to chop off their heads. Much of the credit, I believe, is to
be given to the most active moderator there Senator Audens.

Dexter is right the FH wasn't created with the propose to be the new
newroman list and it did in fact accomplish its objective to kept non
citizens to troll the ML and to shield the non citizens from our chronic
bloodily in-fights. If any new citizen is wondering no what we have
doing till know, and hopefully will keep this way, has been an healthy
and vigorous debate.

But FH was indeed created as a place to all non citizens who wish to
have any kind of connection to Nova Roma but aren't ready to be full
citizens for many reasons including probably wanting to know more about
of us before pledge on that path. I know I did observed for a while both
ML and newroman list before decided I wanted to be citizen of Nova Roma.

But to consider internal of Nova Roma the fact, for example, that we
vote for the higher magistrates with the citizens divided in Centuries
and the placement in the respective Centuries has to do with past
service to Nova Roma is, at least, strange and doesn't accomplish
nothing for the objectives of its creation. On other hand if I want to
have a discussion concerning the Roma Antiqua historical ways to vote
and elect magistrates it is strange to the uttermost that no one can
even mention how things are done in NR and what are the differences
between them.

Also claiming the perspective citizens can learn and see all in the wiki
it is wrong because the wiki isn't so well structure that can even be
close to replace live interaction with other perspective citizens and
actual citizens.

So what a perspective citizen will face. He or she have just founded NR,
she or he is attracted to NR because is love for Roma Antiqua but wants
to learn more before apply to citizenship so is directed to the FH list.
And now it is in a death list where in some minds no mention of NR can
be made and where there are no discussion or talk about Roma Antiqua,
due in part because the citizens of NR don't feel comfortable to be
talking there with the big but forbidden to be mentioned pink elephant
NR. To answer a perspective citizen asking questions about Nova Roma
that he/she is in the wrong list doesn't help much since that is the
only list he/she is allowed to be. To direct to the wiki is only good to
create more questions than it gives answers.

So I'm one of the persons that believes FH should be think over and see
first what can be done to become a value asset to NR within is creation
documents and if really needed what needs to be altered. I think that
what I defend to be typical Roman, if new needs arouse first try to
adapted current structures and if it fails improve them.

Finally yes one of my objectives is to attract more citizens for Nova
Roma and sincerely can't see how that cab be wrong. Concerning the
followers comment I can only say I have always approached new and
perspective citizens kindly and with helpful disposition and never did
I, or anyone else doing the same, have won any follower. Friends I'm
glad to say I have won some but followers no and any new citizen that I
have welcome and help in any way can testimony that I never gave my
version of other people or events and always tried to give a simple
explanation of how things worked (should work at least).

So to end a long post for me it is internal to NR the debate of laws and
political decisions, like the one we are having here, but it isn't
internal to NR that we have elections, Magistrates and what are their
functions and so on. Nothing of that is internal, it is public, so
public we publish in the wiki but in the mind of some people we can't
speak of it in an open list with non citizens.

Valete optime,
Crassus

A. Liburnius Scholasticae Canino Quiritibusque salutem plurimam dicit


I was preparing a reply to one of Caninus sentences last night, but, halfway, my brain decided it was time to migrate to the bedroom. I hope that I did not manage to somehow confuse Caninus' computer with my incomplete posting.

Incidentally, HAL is the computer of "2001 a Space Odissey".

Far more modestly, I am only ALH, but, since I have earned a living throughout my professional carrier taming super computers (IBM mainframes mostly) on two continents, HAL does fit jn somehow... 8-)  (and yes! I do need my glasses)

Valete optime

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Caninus Liburno Quiritibusque sal.

I share your feelings regarding all citizens being immigrants. Yes,
indeed, immigrants typically have free access to information in most
democracies. But there are a number of places in our modern world where
information is still strictly controlled, such as in a number of
Arab-speaking countries. While I agree that Nova Roma should ideally not
be included in such a group, because as Romans we value personal liberty
and access to information, there have been enough incidents in the not
too distant past where free speach was used by Nova Roma citizens in
what might be viewed as very dangerous, and perhaps even treasonous,
ways. I do not like limiting personal liberty and I would rather see
this issue handled in a way that did not shield potential civis from the
realities of daily life in Nova Roma; however, if any significant change
is to be made to the FH and the fora moderation rules such a change
should most fittingly be made by a vote of all citizens after a full and
health period of debate.

Vale optime!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Candidacy for
Praetor
From: Bruno Zani <reenbru@... Date: Sat, December 15, 2012 2:25 pm
To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Liburnius Quiritibus S.P.D.

I have checked out Sulla's "Censor handbook" and I think it was very
well done and could be used still today.

While I agree that a FAQ is important, I would like to present a
slightly different take on this issue. It is based on my life
experience, since throughout my life, I have resided and worked,
chronologically, in Italy, Switzerland, Italy, United States, France
Germany and United States. In none of these nations, did I notice any
attempt to shield any immigrant, tourist or passing foreigner from what
was going on there.

Nothing was censured and nothing was deemed inappropriate for general
discussion. Most of the times my questions about local politics or other
local social issues were answered in fairly unbiased way, minimizing
.the divergences and and maximizing the goodness of the country in
question. Rverybody was kind of putting forward the best foot. I also
noticed, when question were put to me, that I, almost automatically,
tried to be as diplomatic in my answers as they were.

Everybody in Nova Roma, like it or not, is an immigrant from the
macro-world: nobody is born "Nova-Roman". Everybody comes here
voluntarily and, becoming a citizen, accepts the same code of conduct
and enjoys the same rights.

I am not sure that the kindness of preventing "shocks" to potential
citizens is preparing them to the "warts" popping up "shockingly" after
they actually become citizens, nor, if I may use maybe incorrectly, two
strong worlds, that segregation and censorship are the first impression
we want to leave in them.

Valete optime

________________________________
From: M. Pompeius Caninus <caninus@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Candidacy for
Praetor



Caninus sal.

You know, since we all agree that an updated, and perhaps well
structured and somewhat interactive, FAQ is a good way to help new
citizens, perhaps the incoming Praetors could take this on as a project.
And since a FAQ is not able to engage in dialog when questions are being
researched perhaps appointing a scribe or rotating scribes to handle
questions and discussions from the FAQ would be a good idea.

Valete!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Candidacy for
Praetor
From: "C. Maria Caeca" <c.mariacaeca@... Date: Sat, December 15, 2012 12:13 pm
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Ave, Senator!

A comprehensive FAQ is, I think, absolutely essential, but it does not
allow
for discussion or follow up questions, or something as seemingly simple
as
saying the same thing in different ways to assist in comprehension. If
we
could do both, we would, I think, have the best of both worlds,
especially
since a comprehensive and regularly updated FAQ would also act as a
handy
reference for all citizens.

Vale!
C. Maria Caeca

Sicinius omnibus sal.

Omnibus generatim gratias agit! Your kind words are encouraging and your
advice is both well-received and well-taken.

Please note that I only wanted to share my impressions as a newbie, since
the experiences of new citizens were being mentioned in the general
discussion. My goal was not to stir up any trouble or take sides. If
there is one thing of which I am certain after all that I have read is that
folks here are very passionate about Nova Roma and its future.

I look forward to contributing! Oh! And for those who asked, I reside in
Lacus Magni.

Optime vale!

Quintus Sicinius Proculus

*John J. DiGilio* | Freelance Writer, Educator, Librarian
*Contributor to:* Chicagoist <http://chicagoist.com/profile/jdigilio/posts Elephant Journal <http://www.elephantjournal.com/author/john-digilio/
*"There are three things I have learned never to discuss with people:
religion, politics, and the Great Pumpkin." - Linus VanPelt*

Salvete omnes,

And my wishes of a excellent Saturnalia to you all and to your families.

IO SATURNALIA!!!
Crassus

Enviado do meu iPhone

IO SATURNALIA!

Wishing a joyful Saturnalia to all Roman citizens everywhere! Io
Saturnalia! The poet Catullus (circa 84-54 B.C.E.) referred to Saturnalia
as *optimus dierum - *the best of days . . . may it be so for you this
Saturnalia!

Valete optime!
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Consul of Nova Roma
Praefectus of Arizona Australis


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Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

IO SATURNALIA! I wish you all the joy and fun of these very special days, and hope that you will play, laugh (a lot), end eat way too much good food!

Valete quam optime!
C. Maria Caeca

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Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C. Aemilio Crasso Omnibusque S.P.D.

Io Saturnalia Crasse! And to all who are celebrating Saturnalia, may it be
a good one!

Io Satunalia!

Valete quam Optime,
Aeternia


"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"


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Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus cultoribus deorum in foro S.P.D.

The first day of Saturnalia! This morning, I removed the bonds on my
image of Saturnus, and made sacrifice unto that god. Tonight my family
shared a roasted pork dinner (no, we didn't sacrifice the pig ourselves -
we're not *that* traditional!). We ate by candlelight, wearing our *pillei*.
I had some mulled mead to drink - my substitute for *mulsum. *After dinner
we distributed small gifts (I give out my gifts in small baskets - *
sportulae*). The *sportulae *contained some traditional gifts, like
candles, and some less so (like small amounts of "money" - chocolate *gelt*).
We used the chocolate coins for another traditional Saturnalia activity -
gambling! We raced to complete a Saturnalia-themed wordsearch (which I won
- *Eugepae! - *and thus added to my stock of chocolate coins!). Then we
played a dice game (this time I lost - *Eheu!*). But a good time was had by
all. Every time we did an activity, we had to draw from a bowl of paper
slips upon which were printed Saturnalia-themed rhymes, and read them aloud
to the family.

How did YOU celebrate the first day of Saturnalia, o cultures deorum
of Nova Roma?

Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Consul of Nova Roma
Praefectus of Arizona Australis


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May I wish everyone a very happy SATURNALIA to everyone.
 
 

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Marcus Valerius Traianus
Proud Citizen of Nova Roma

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Salvete omnes,

I wish a joyous Saturnalia to all Nova Roman citizens and prospects. We
continue for another year the Gods be willing.

IO SATURNALIA!!!

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus



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Cn. Lentulus magister aranearius Quiritibus sal.

Comitia Centuriata elections have started. You may vote only today and on December 20th and 22nd (but can not vote on the days between!)

Vote here, and read instructions to vote here:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Voting_procedure_via_%22votingplace.net%22

Io Saturnalia! Valete!
Cn. Lentulus pontifex
MAGISTER ARANEARIUS

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IO SATURNALIA!

Watch the PHOTO REPORT of this years' Nova Roman SATURNALIA celebration in Pannonia, organized by C. Villius praefectus, P. Fabius scriba, Rostallonensis citizens, Cohors VI Carpathica soldiers, and Pontifex Cn. Lentulus, governor of Pannonia: 

http://novaroma.org/nr/Saturnalia_Rostallonensia_Nova_Romana

Participate in our next Saturnalia celebration at Saint Petersburg, Provincia Sarmatia! Learn about ideas for celebrating Saturnalia!    

IO SATURNALIA! IO, IO, IO!

Valete!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus pontifex
Legatus pro praetore Pannoniae. Venediae
Praefectus Italiae


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Caninus Lentulo omnibusque sal.

Gratias tibi ago, amice! And may all of the citizens of Nova Roma enjoy
this holiday time.

IO SATURNALIA!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

I, C. Maria Caeca, Curulus Aedilis issue the following edicta.

The following are appointed to the position of scribe in the Curule Aedilicia of Nova Roma, effective immediately. No oath is required.

Sta. Cornelia Valeriana Juliana Aeternia and Ti. Valeria Celeris.

Both citizens volunteered their services to the Aedilicia, and their assistance and support has been so outstanding that I feel it is appropriate to offer them something more tangible than my gratitude, which, of course, they have.


C. Maria Caeca
Curule Aedile

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Salvete Omnes,

I wanted to extend greetings to all of the new faces and first-time posters. You are welcome here and I highly encourage you to take those last official steps to join us. If you are unsure or sitting on the fence, know that Nova Roma sits on an exciting and auspicious precipice. There is much happening and even more that needs to be done to build our group. We need time and talents from dedicated and enthusiastic citizens...folks such as yourselves. Nova Roma can only be as good as the sum of the efforts of its members allows. So strap on your caligae and join us.

Io, Saturnalia,

Quintus Sicinius Proculus

May the gods faithfully guide them and their actions!

Prosperitatem ad omnes!

Q. Sicinius Proculus

Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

The voting period is very short this year, so please don't put off voting! True, all candidates are unopposed, and they will necessarily win, but voting is both privilege and duty, and so long as we are a Republic, it is incumbent on all citizens to do one of their primary duties as citizens, and vote. I just did, and it took less than 5 minutes (amazing, considering how many ways I can get myself into a tangled mess on line!). So, if I can vote without any external help, anyone else can, I promise!

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca

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Ave!

Ive tried voting 4 times it does not allow me to vote.

Vale,

Sulla

Email me privately what you're entering as ID and email address. For clarity, please enclose each in quotation marks.

Q Caecilius Metellus

Ave Sulla,
 
No, it is not a plot, try again and the gods will help you.
 
Optime.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. XIII Kalendas Ianuarias MMDCCLXV  

________________________________
De : Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Jeudi 20 décembre 2012 1h21
Objet : Re: [Nova-Roma] Please vote!

Ave!

Ive tried voting 4 times it does not allow me to vote.

Vale,

Sulla

LOL, I didnt say it was a plot. I got it working. I just had to change
browsers...it for some reason did not like Firefox..but it liked Google
Chrome..so I voted. :)

Vale,

Sulla

On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Jean-Fran�ois Arnoud
<jfarnoud94@...
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Ave Sulla,

it also happened during the plebeian elections.
The cista picked a couple of random names to pick on...


Vale Optime

A. Libunius Hadrianus


________________________________
From: Jean-François Arnoud <jfarnoud94@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Please vote!


 
Ave Sulla,
 
No, it is not a plot, try again and the gods will help you.
 
Optime.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. XIII Kalendas Ianuarias MMDCCLXV  

________________________________
De : Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Jeudi 20 décembre 2012 1h21
Objet : Re: [Nova-Roma] Please vote!

Ave!

Ive tried voting 4 times it does not allow me to vote.

Vale,

Sulla

Salvete omnes,

For all of the postings and cheer leading I have done, it strikes me that I have not formally sent an introduction of my own! Thanks to all of the new faces for giving me the inspiration to do so.

Greetings from Chicago and Lacus Magni! I am a law librarian and legal research professional by trade. Having done this for many years now, I am in practice a manager of a very large team of legal researchers here in the United States. I have a bachelor's degree in political science, a Master's degree in information sciences, and a Juris Doctorate.

I have held a fascination with Roman history since my childhood. My parents called it an "unhealthy obsession" with ancient history. But it has always kept me happy and fulfilled. Being of Italian descent and a lover of antiquity, my college/fraternity nickname was "Caligula". I had thought about incorporating it into my NR name. However, I feared that historical connotations - even if erroneous - would make that a turn-off. Maybe someday. :-)

For the last 12 years, I have been an adjunct graduate professor of business ethics and law at an American university.

Finally, I am a very spiritual person. I am a seminarian in a Gnostic (yes, some of us are still around) tradition. I have also spent considerable time studying the gods of our Roman ancestors and find myself drawn to working with several on a regular basis (Saturnus, Quirinus, Dis Pater / Orcus).

I hope to contribute my research skills to the politics and religion of Nova Roma.

Optime Valete,

Q. Sicinius Proculus

____________________________________
From: Qfabiusmaxmi@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 12/18/2012 4:53:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time
Subj: Re: [Nova-Roma] IO SATURNALIA





Salvete omnes,

I wish a joyous Saturnalia to all Nova Roman citizens and prospects. We
continue for another year the Gods be willing.

IO SATURNALIA!!!

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus





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Salvete omnes,

Some of us in the province of Lacus Magni are considering setting up a MeetUp group in our region. Could be a great way to get Nova Romans together for in-person meetings. Is anyone else doing this already? Also, is anyone out there in touch with our good Paulinus? I understand he was having computer issues. It seems too that his listed e-mail is down.

Io, Saturnalia!

- John J. DiGilio

* Sent from my iPhone *

Salve,

Well, we just started one for the Phoenix area in America
Austroccidentalis, actually (haven't had our first meetup yet, but the
MeetUp site is up and running). We're limiting it to one large metropolitan
area here, because we have a lot of citizens, and out here in the American
southwest the distances between urban centers can be huge (I mean, a
province-wide gathering would include Texas, Utah, Colorado, Arizona . . .
it's just too big!). But for some of the smaller provinces this should be a
practical idea. When I lived in Nova Britannia there were several large,
provincial meetings.

Anyway, depending on the success of our venture in Phoenix, I was
considering proposing this very idea to Nova Romans in general, but you
beat me to it! Anyone who is doing this should try to report their findings
(successes and failures, what worked and what didn't) to the Forum so that
when other citizens try it in the future, they know what to expect!

Anyway, I applaud the idea!

Vale!

Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C.Mariae Caecae Curulis Aedilis Omnibusque S.P.D.

This is a definite and unexpected surprise. I want to protest and say I
willingly volunteered. But I shall refrain and accept this most gracious
gesture.

Thank you Caeca it is most appreciated.

My congrats to fellow volunteer Ti. Valeria Celeris on her first successful
Scribaship (may it not be her last ;-) ).

Congrats amica.

Thank you again Caeca you soar to the celestials like a burning star
unending.

Valete quam Optime,
Aeternia

--
"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"


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Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Q. Sicinio Proculo Omnibusque S.P.D.

Gratias tibi ago Procule!

(I thank you)

Valete Optime,
Aeternia

--
"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"


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Salvete,
Yes. In addition to the Phoenix Meetup group that Gaius Valerianus
has mentioned, we also have one here in Eastern Connecticut. Ours not
been particularly active; some people have shown an interest, but few
have come to events thus far. Since you seem to be starting out with a
group committed to participate, that probably won't be as much of a
problem for you. Still, I suggest having a few things for people to do
as soon as possible, so that anyone who does happen to wander in has a
chance to become involved before wandering back out.
Both groups appear at <http://nova-roma.meetup.com/ in Lacus Magni or elsewhere once it was organized. Perhaps there could
be a link to that page somewhere on the Nova Roma website?
Bona Fortuna!
A. Iulius Paterculus
On 12/21/12, Gaius Tullius Valerianus
<gaius.tullius.valerianus@...

Salvete,

I'd be interested in a Manhattan/NYC meet up!

D. Mento

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus pontifex rei publicae Quiritibus s. p. d

In order to ensure that our Nova Roman People and res publica avoid any kind of possible negative impact that might perhaps come from the Maya religious superstition about the 13th baktun (new world era according to Maya calendar), and in the sake of gaining all possible positive effects that might perhaps be coming from their gods, I have performed a sacrifice to placate these foreign deities and to obtain their benevolence and propitiousness towards the Nova Roman people and towards the sacred cause of the restoration of Roman People and Republic. May the Maya gods favor our Roman People!

Io Saturnalia!


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Io Saturnalia!

That is a very Roman thing to do.

Q. Fabius Maximus, Pontifex


In a message dated 12/21/2012 2:05:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cn_corn_lent@... writes:

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus pontifex rei publicae Quiritibus s. p. d

In order to ensure that our Nova Roman People and res publica avoid any
kind of possible negative impact that might perhaps come from the Maya
religious superstition about the 13th baktun (new world era according to Maya
calendar), and in the sake of gaining all possible positive effects that might
perhaps be coming from their gods, I have performed a sacrifice to placate
these foreign deities and to obtain their benevolence and propitiousness
towards the Nova Roman people and towards the sacred cause of the
restoration of Roman People and Republic. May the Maya gods favor our Roman People!

Io Saturnalia!


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Yahoo! Groups Links






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I would love to meet face to face with Nova Romans in the area.  Keep me posted.


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Marcus Valerius Traianus
Proud Citizen of Nova Roma


________________________________
From: John DiGilio <jdigilio@... To: Nova Roma <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 10:06 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] MeetUp users?

 
Salvete omnes,

Some of us in the province of Lacus Magni are considering setting up a MeetUp group in our region. Could be a great way to get Nova Romans together for in-person meetings. Is anyone else doing this already? Also, is anyone out there in touch with our good Paulinus? I understand he was having computer issues. It seems too that his listed e-mail is down.

Io, Saturnalia!

- John J. DiGilio

* Sent from my iPhone *


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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

IO SATURNALIA!

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XII Kalendas Ianuarius; hic dies nefastus
publicus est.


"But before I proceed, I desire to show in a few words that it is not
without design and mature premeditation that I have turned to the
early part of Rome's history, but that I have well-considered reasons
to give for my choice, to forestall the censure of those who, fond of
finding fault with everything and not as yet having heard of any of
the matters which I am about to make known, may blame me because, in
spite of the fact that this city, grown so famous in our days, had
very humble and inglorious beginnings, unworthy of historical record,
and that it was but a few generations ago, that is, since her
overthrow of the Macedonian powers and her success in the Punic wars,
that she arrived at distinction and glory, nevertheless, when I was at
liberty to choose one of the famous periods in her history for my
theme, I turned aside to one so barren of distinction as her
antiquarian lore. For to this day almost all the Greeks are ignorant
of the early history of Rome and the great majority of them have been
imposed upon by sundry false opinions grounded upon stories which
chance which chance has brought to their ears and led to believe that,
having come upon various vagabonds without house or home and
barbarians, and even those not free men, as her founders, she in the
course of time arrived at world domination, and this not through
reverence for the gods and justice and every other virtue, but through
some chance and the injustice of Fortune, which inconsiderately
showers her greatest favours upon the most undeserving. And indeed the
more malicious are wont to rail openly at Fortune for freely bestowing
on the basest of us the blessings of the Greeks. And yet why should I
mention men at large, when even some historians have dared to express
such views in the writing they have left, taking this method of
humouring barbarian kings who detested Rome's supremacy,— princes to
whom they were ever servilely devoted and with whom they associated as
flatterers, — by presenting them with "histories" which were neither
just nor true?" - Dionysis of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" 1.4


"In Phlios and Sikyon the temple of Dia is held in honor; and Dia is
their name for Hebe." - Strabo, Geography 8.6.24

"On the Phliasian citadel [at Phlios, Argos] is a grove of cypress
trees and a sanctuary which from ancient times has been held to be
peculiarly holy. The earliest Phliasians named the goddess to whom the
sanctuary belongs Ganymeda; but later authorites call her Hebe, whom
Homer mentions in the duel between Menelaos and Alexandros, saying
that she was the cup-bearer of the gods; and again he says, in the
descent of Odysseus to Haides, that she was the wife of Herakles.
Olen, in his hymn to Hera, says that Hera was reared by the Horai (the
Seasons), and that her children were Ares and Hebe. Of the honours
that the Phliasians pay to this goddess the greatest is the pardoning
of suppliants. All those who seek sanctuary here receive full
forgiveness, and prisoners, when set free, dedicate their fetters on
the trees in the grove. The Phliasians also celebrate a yearly
festival which they call Kissotomoi (Ivy-cutters). There is no image,
either kept in secret of openly displayed, and the reason for this is
set forth in a sacred legend of theirs though on the left as you go
out is a temple of Hera with an image of Parian marble." - Pausanias,
Guide to Greece 2.13.3

Today is the celebration of the Divalia, in honor of the goddess Dia.
he worship of the Roman goddess Dea Dia was in the hands of a
priesthood of twelve, the "fratres arvales" (Arval brethren), and she
possessed a shrine in a grove outside Rome at the fifth (or sixth,
depending on the period) milestone on the Via Campana. Dea Dia, who
was the owner of the "lucus fratrum arvalium" (the grove of the Arval
brethren) and the main addressee of the cult celebrated by the Arval
brethren, is only known by the proceedings of this brotherhood. The
ritual at her festival employed, among other offerings (a lamb,
meatballs, sweet wine, and pastries), green ears from the current
crop, together with dried ears of grain from the previous year's crop.
The other gods and goddesses mentioned in her lucus are to be
considered her assistants or her guests. Her main festival was held
on three successive days at the end of May, culminating in the Ambarvalia.


"Duodecimo vero feriae sunt divae Angeroniae, cui pontifices in
sacello Volupiae sacrum faciunt: quam Verrius Flaccus Angeroniam dici
ait, quod angores ac sollicitudines animorum propitiata depellat." -
Macrobius 1.10

"It will not perhaps be altogether foreign to the purpose, if I here
make mention of one peculiar institution of our forefathers which
bears especial reference to the inculcation of silence on religious
matters. The goddess Angerona, to whom sacrifice is offered on the
twelfth day before the calends of January, is represented in her
statue as having her mouth bound with a sealed fillet." - Pliny,
Natural History 3.9

Today is also sacred to the goddess Angerona, and is also known as the
Angeronalia. She is an indigenous Italian goddess, about whom little
is known, except that she is the goddess of secrets and silence, and
she was a goddess who relieved men from pain and sorrow, or delivered
the Romans and their flocks from angina. Also she was a protecting
goddess of Rome and the keeper of the sacred name of the city, which
might not be pronounced lest it should be revealed to her enemies. It
was even thought that Angerona itself was this name. She is portrayed
holding a finger to her mouth, which is wrapped shut. Her statue
stood on the altar of Volupia. She is also thought to be the goddess
of the Winter Solstice, which is today.


Today is also the fifth day of the Saturnalia.


IO SATURNALIA!

Cato

Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem XI Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"The first historian, so far as I am aware, to touch upon the early
period of the Romans was Hieronymus of Cardia, in his work on the
Epigoni. After him Timaeus of Sicily related the beginnings of their
history in his general history and treated in a separate work the wars
with Pyrrhus of Epirus. Besides these, Antigonus, Polybius, Silenus
and innumerable other authors devoted themselves to the same themes,
though in different ways, each of them recording some few things
compiled without accurate investigation on his own part but from
reports which chance had brought to his ears. Like to these in all
respects are the histories of those Romans, also, who related in Greek
the early achievements of the city; the oldest of these writers are
Quintus Fabius and Lucius Cincius, who both flourished during the
Punic wars. Each of these men related the events at which he himself
had been present with great exactness, as being well acquainted with
them, but touched only in a summary way upon the early events that
followed the founding of the city. For these reasons, therefore, I
have determined not to pass over a noble period of history which the
older writers left untouched, a period, moreover, the accurate
portrayal of which will lead to the following most excellent and just
results: In the first place, the brave men who have fulfilled their
destiny will gain immortal glory and be extolled by posterity, which
things render human nature like upon the divine and prevent men's
deeds from perishing together with their bodies. And again, both the
present and future descendants of those godlike men will choose, not
the pleasantest and easiest of lives, but rather the noblest and most
ambitious, when they consider that all who are sprung from an
illustrious origin ought to set a high value on themselves and indulge
in no pursuit unworthy of their ancestors. And I, who have not
turned aside to this work for the sake of flattery, but out of a
regard for truth and justice, which ought to be the aim of every
history, shall have an opportunity, in the first place, of expressing
my attitude of goodwill toward all good men and toward all who take
pleasure in the contemplation of great and noble deeds; and, in the
second place, of making the most grateful return that I may to the
city in remembrance everyone the education and other blessings I have
enjoyed during my residence in it." - Dionysis of Halicarnassus,
"Roman Antiquities" 1.6


"Rhea, when she was heavy with Zeus, went off to Krete and gave birth
to him there in a cave on Mount Dikte. She put him in the care of both
the Kouretes and the nymphs Adrasteia and Ide, daughters of Melisseus.
These Nymphai nursed the baby with the milk of Amaltheia, while the
armed Kouretes stood guard over him in the cave, banging their spears
against their shields to prevent Kronos from hearing the infant's
voice." - Apollodorus, The Library 1.4-5

"When the Nymph, carrying thee, O Father Zeus [from Arkadia where he
was born to hand over to his protectors and nurses in Krete], toward
Knosos Â… But thee, O Zeus, the companions of Kyrbantes took to their
arms, even the Diktaian Meliai, and Adrasteia [Nemesis] laid thee to
rest in a cradle of gold, and thou didst suck the rich teat of the
she-goat Amaltheia, and thereto eat the sweet honey-comb." -
Callimachus, Hymn I to Zeus 42

"The story is told that Zeus was nursed by a goat there, just as
Aratos says: 'Sacred goat, which, in story, didst hold thy breast o'er
Zeus;' and he goes on to say that 'the interpreters call her the
Olenian goat of Zeus,' thus clearly indicating that the place is near
Olene." - Strabo, Geography 8.7.5

"The holy Goat (Aix), that, as legend tells, gave the breast to Zeus.
Her the interpreters of Zeus call the Olenian Goat." - Aratus,
Phaenomena 162

"He [Zeus] changed the goat [his nurse] into an immortal, there is a
representation of her among the stars to this day." - Antoninus
Liberalis, Metamorphoses 36

"On his [the constellation Charioteer] the goat Capra stands, and in
his left hand the Kids seem to be placed. They tell this story about
him...Parmeniscus say that...Zeus was fed the milk of a she-goat,
Amalthea by name, who is said to have reared him. She often bore twin
kids, and at the very time that Jove was brought to her to nurse, had
borne a pair. And so because of the kindness of the mother, the kids,
too were placed among the constellations. Cleostratus of Tenedos is
said to have first pointed out these kids among the stars.
But Musaeus says...Zeus made his aigis out of the skin of the goat and
later covering the remaining bones of the goat with a skin, he gave
life to them and memorialised them, picturing them with stars." -
Hyginus, Astronomica 2.13

On this day the Sun enters the zodiacal Sign of Capricornus. It is
usually called Capricorn, especially in astrology. It represents a
horned goat, although it is commonly called the sea-goat. Capricornus
is one of the 88 modern constellations, and was also one of the 48
constellations listed by Ptolemy. Under its modern boundaries it is
bordered by Aquila, Sagittarius, Microscopium, Piscis Austrinus and
Aquarius.

This constellation is sometimes identified as Amaltheia, the goat that
suckled the infant Zeus after his mother Rhea saved him from being
devoured by his father Kronos (Saturn in Rome) in Greek mythology. The
goat's broken horn was transformed into the cornucopia or horn of
plenty. Some ancient sources claim that this derives from the sun
"taking nourishment" while in the constellation, in preparation for
its climb back northward.

However, the constellation is often depicted as a sea-goat, a goat
with a fish's tail. One myth that deals with this says that when the
goat-god Pan was attacked by the monster Typhon, he dove into the
Nile; the parts above the water remained a goat, but those under the
water transformed into a fish.

Valete bene!

Cato

C. Petronius Cn. Lentulo suo salutem,
 
Your enthusiasm to sacrifice is commendable, but this change of era was in the Maya calendar the same thing that each year in our calendar is the 31st december, the "last day" of... the year. 
We will sacrifice on 1st January 2766 to celebrate a new good year as each year.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. XI Kalendas Ianuarias MMDCCLXV  

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Cn. Cornelius Lentulus pontifex rei publicae Quiritibus s. p. d

In order to ensure that our Nova Roman People and res publica avoid any kind of possible negative impact that might perhaps come from the Maya religious superstition about the 13th baktun (new world era according to Maya calendar), and in the sake of gaining all possible positive effects that might perhaps be coming from their gods, I have performed a sacrifice to placate these foreign deities and to obtain their benevolence and propitiousness towards the Nova Roman people and towards the sacred cause of the restoration of Roman People and Republic. May the Maya gods favor our Roman People!

Io Saturnalia!

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Salvete omnes,

I would also be interested in NYC meetup group. Perhaps those of us who
live in the area should start one?

Valete!

- A. Apollonius Antullus



--
"Have you heard that it was good to gain the day?
I also say it is good to fall, battles are lost in the same spirit
in which they are won." - Walt Whitman


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Cato omnibus in foro SPD


Hodiernus dies est ante diem X Kalendas Ianuarius; hic dies nefastus publicus
est.


"Having thus given the reason for my choice of subject, I wish now to
say something concerning the sources I used while preparing for my
task. For it is possible that those who have already read Hieronymus,
Timaeus, Polybius, or any of the other historians whom I just now
mentioned as having slurred over their work, since they will not have
found in those authors many things mentioned by me, will suspect me of
inventing them and will demand to know how I came by the knowledge of
these particulars. Lest anyone, therefore, should entertain such an
opinion of me, it is best that I should state in advance what
narratives and records I have used as sources. I arrived in Italy at
the very time that Augustus Caesar put an end to the civil war, in the
middle of the one hundred and eighty-seventh Olympiad, and having from
that time to this present day, a period of twenty-two years, lived at
Rome, learned the language of the Romans and acquainted myself with
their writings, I have devoted myself during all that time to matters
bearing upon my subject. Some information I received orally from men
of the greatest learning, with whom I associated; and the rest I
gathered from histories written by the approved Roman authors —
Porcius Cato, Fabius Maximus, Valerius Antias, Licinius Macer, the
aelii, Gellii and Calpurnii, and many others of note; with these
works, which are like the Greek annalistic accounts, as a basis, I set
about the writing of my history. So much, then, concerning myself.
But it yet remains for me to say something also concerning the history
itself — to what periods I limit it, what subjects I describe, and
what form I give to the work.

I begin my history, then, with the most ancient legends, which the
historians before me have omitted as a subject difficult to be cleared
up with diligent study; and I bring the narrative down to the
beginning of the First Punic War, which fell in the third year of the
one hundred and twenty-eighth Olympiad. I relate all the foreign wars
that the city waged during that period and all the internal seditions
with which she was agitated, showing from what causes they sprang and
by what methods and by what arguments they were brought to an end. I
give an account also of all the forms of government Rome used, both
during the monarchy and after its overthrow, and show what was the
character of each. I describe the best customs and the most remarkable
laws; and, in short, I show the whole life of the ancient Romans. As
to the form I give this work, it does not resemble that which the
authors who make wars alone their subject have given to their
histories, nor that which others who treat of the several forms of
government by themselves have adopted, nor is it like the annalistic
accounts which the authors of Atthides have published (for these are
monotonous and soon grow tedious to the reader), but it is a
combination of every kind, forensic, speculative and narrative, to the
intent that it may afford satisfaction both to those who occupy
themselves with political debates and to those who are devoted to
philosophical speculations, as well as to any who may desire mere
undisturbed entertainment in their reading of history. Such things,
therefore, will be the subjects of my history and such will be its
form. I, the author, am Dionysius of Halicarnassus, the son of
Alexander. And at this point I begin." - Dionysis of Halicarnassus,
"Roman Antiquities", 1.7-8


"Others think that the first rise of this fable came from the
children's nurse, through the ambiguity of her name; for the Latins
not only called wolves lupoe, but also women of loose life; and such
an one was the wife of Faustulus, who nurtured these children, Acca
Larentia by name. To her the Romans offer sacrifices, and in the month
of April the priest of Mars makes libations there; it is called the
Larentian Feast. They honour also another Larentia, for the following
reason: the keeper of Hercules's temple having, it seems, little else
to do, proposed to his deity a game at dice, laying down that, if he
himself won, he would have something valuable of the god; but if he
were beaten, he would spread him a noble table, and procure him a fair
lady's company. Upon these terms, throwing first for the god and then
for himself, he found himself beaten. Wishing to pay his stakes
honourably, and holding himself bound by what he had said, he both
provided the diety a good supper, and giving money to Larentia, then
in her beauty, though not publicly known, gave her a feast in the
temple, where he had also laid a bed, and after supper locked her in,
as if the god were really to come to her. And indeed, it is said, the
deity did truly visit her, and commanded her in the morning to walk to
the marketplace, and, whatever man she met first, to salute him, and
make him her friend. She met one named Tarrutius, who was a man
advanced in years, fairly rich, without children, and had always lived
a single life. He received Larentia, and loved her well, and at his
death left her sole heir of all his large and fair possessions, most
of which she, in her last will and testament, bequeathed to the
people. It was reported of her, being now celebrated and esteemed the
mistress of a god, that she suddenly disappeared near the place where
the first Larentia lay buried; the spot is at this day called
Velabrum, because, the river frequently overflowing, they went over in
ferry-boats somewhere hereabouts to the forum, the Latin word for
ferrying being velatura. Others derive the name from velum, a sail;
because the exhibitors of public shows used to hang the road that
leads from the forum to the Circus Maximus with sails, beginning at
this spot. Upon these accounts the second Larentia is honoured at
Rome." - Plutarch, Lives, "Romulus"

"They record that there was another Larentia, Acca, the nurse of
Romulus, whom they honor in the month of April. But they say that the
surname of the courtesan Larentia was Fabula. She became famous for
the following reason: a certain keeper of the temple of Hercules
enjoyed, it seems, considerable leisure and had the habit of spending
the greater part of the day at draughts and dice; and one day, as it
chanced, there was present no one of those who were wont to play with
him and share the occasion of his leisure. So, in his boredom, he
challenged the god to throw dice with him on fixed terms, as it were:
if he should win, he was to obtain some service from the god; but if
he should lose, he was to furnish a supper for the god at his own
expense and provide a comely girl to spend the night with him.
Thereupon he brought out the dice, and threw once for himself and once
for the god, and lost. Abiding, therefore, by the terms of his
challenge he prepared a somewhat sumptuous repast for the god and
fetched Larentia, who openly practised the profession of courtesan. He
feasted her, put her to bed in the temple, and, when he departed,
locked the doors. The tale is told that the god visited her in the
night, not in mortal wise, and bade her on the morrow go into the
forum, band pay particular attention to the first man she met, and
make him her friend. Larentia arose, therefore, and, going forth, met
one of the wealthy men that were unwed and past their prime, whose
name was Tarrutius. With this man she became acquainted, and while he
lived she presided over his household, and when he died, she inherited
his estate; and later, when she herself p63died, she left her property
to the State; and for that reason she has these honours." - Plutarch,
"Roman Questions" 35

"Now should I forget you, Larentia, nurse of such a nation,
Nor, poor Faustulus, the help that you gave.
I'll honour you when I speak of the Larentalia,
And the month approved of by the guardian spirits." - Ovid, Fasti III.55ff


Today is the celebration of the Larentalia, in honor of the goddes
Acca Larentia. Acca is an obscure Latin word: in Greek akko means a
"ridiculous woman" or "bogey"; in Sanskrit akka means "mother."
Therefore Acca Larentia seems to be the Mater Larum (Mother of the
Lares), who is also called Lara, Larunda, Larentina and Mania.

Larentia was said to be the wife of the shepherd Faustulus (perhaps
Faunus), who found Romulus and Remus (who became the Lares of Rome)
when they were being suckled by the she-wolf, and that Larentia became
their foster-mother. Others say that Larentia herself was the she-wolf
(lupa), and that's why she is celebrated as a prostitute (lupa). In
any case, in this festival She is given parental rites (Parentalia) as
the mother of the divine ancestors. According to another account,
Larentia was a beautiful girl, whom Hercules won in a game of dice.
The god advised her to marry the first man she met in the street, who
proved to be a wealthy Etruscan named Tarutius. She inherited all his
property and bequeathed it to the Roman people.


Today is also the final day of the Saturnalia.


Valete bene!

Cato

Salve, Albina!

Um ...you did, and you just posted to the main list! You're ...here ..and welcome to the list and to Nova Roma, citizen!

Vale bene!
C. Maria Caeca

Salve Lucia Aurelia Albina, SPD

Welcome and enjoy Nova Roma!
Tiberius Marcius Quadra


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Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] new citizen interested in joining group


 
Salve, Albina!

Um ...you did, and you just posted to the main list! You're ...here ..and welcome to the list and to Nova Roma, citizen!

Vale bene!
C. Maria Caeca

Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

I would like to wish all who celebrate it a very merry Christmas, and a happy new year to everyone!

Valete quam optime!
C. Maria Caeca
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Cato omnibus in foro SPD

Hodiernus dies est ante diem IX Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"This city, mistress of the whole earth and sea, which the Romans now
inhabit, is said to have had as its earliest occupants the barbarian
Sicels, a native race. As to the condition of the place before their
time, whether it was occupied by others or uninhabited, one can
certainly say. But some time later the Aborigines gained possession of
it, having taken it from the occupants after a long war. These people
had previously lived on the mountains in unwalled villages and
scattered groups; but when the Pelasgians, with whom some other Greeks
had united, assisted them in the war against their neighbours, they
drove the Sicels out of this place, walled in many towns, and
contrived to subjugate all the country that lies between the two
rivers, the Liris and the Tiber. These rivers spring from the foot of
the Apennine mountains, the range by which all Italy is divided into
two parts throughout its length, and at points about eight hundred
stades from one another discharge themselves into the Tyrrhenian Sea,
the Tiber to the north, near the city of Ostia, and the Liris to the
south, as it flows by Minturnae, both these cities being Roman
colonies. And these people remained in this same place of abode, both
never afterwards driven out by any others; but, although they
continued to be one and the same people, their name was twice changed.
Till the time of the Trojan war they preserved their ancient name of
Aborigines; but under lalus, their king, who reigned at the time of
that war, they began to be called Latins, and when Romulus founded the
city named after himself sixteen generations after the taking of Troy,
they took the name which they now bear. And in the course of time they
contrived to raise themselves from the smallest nation to the greatest
and from the most obscure to the most illustrious, not only by their
humane reception of those who sought a home among them, but also by
sharing the rights of citizenship with all who had been conquered by
them in war after a brave resistance, by permitting all the slaves,
too, who were manumitted among them to become citizens, and by
disdaining no condition of men from whom the commonwealth might reap
an advantage, but above everything else by their form of government,
which they fashioned out of their many experiences, always extracting
something useful from every occasion.

There are some who affirm that the Aborigines, from whom the Romans
are originally descended, were natives of Italy, a stock which came
into being spontaneously (I call Italy all that peninsula which is
bounded by the Ionian Gulf and the Tyrrhenian Sea and, thirdly, by the
Alps on the landward side); and these authors say that they were first
called Aborigines because they were the founders of the families of
their descendants, or, as we should call them, genearchai or
protogonoi. Others claim that certain vagabonds without house or
home, coming together out of many places, met one another there by
chance and took up their abode in the fastnesses, living by robbery
and grazing their herds. And these writers change their name, also, to
one more suitable to their condition, calling them Aberrigenes, to
show that they were wanderers; indeed, according to these, the race of
the Aborigines would seem to be no different from those the ancients
called Leleges; for this is the name they generally gave to the
homeless and mixed peoples who had no fixed abode which they could
call their country. Still others have a story to the effect that they
were colonists sent out by those Ligurians who are neighbours of the
Umbrians. For the Ligurians inhabit not only many parts of Italy but
some parts of Gaul as well, but which of these lands is their native
country is not known, since nothing certain is said of them further."
- Dionysis of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities", 1.9-10


Today is celebrated by most Christians as the Eve of the Nativity of
Jesus Christ, probably (if a little confusingly) around 4 B.C.

"Et ibant omnes, ut profiterentur, singuli in suam civitatem. Ascendit
autem et Ioseph a Galilaea de civitate Nazareth in Iudaeam in
civitatem David, quae vocatur Bethlehem, eo quod esset de domo et
familia David, ut profiteretur cum Maria desponsata sibi, uxore
praegnante. Factum est autem, cum essent ibi, impleti sunt dies, ut
pareret, et peperit filium suum primogenitum; et pannis eum involvit
et reclinavit eum in praesepio, quia non erat eis locus in deversorio."


Valete bene!

Cato

Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C. Mariae Caecae Omnibusque S.P.D.

Let me also join in adding Merry Christmas wishes to those who are
celebrating it...

Seasons Greetings and Happy New Year to all!

Valete quam Optime,
Aeternia (listening to the Nightmare Before Xmas soundtrack a holiday
tradition in the Cornelii Domus)


"De mortuis nil nisi bonum"


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SALVETE!

Happy Holidays! All the best to you, your families and friends!

VALETE,
Sabinus
 
"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius


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Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Happy Holidays!


 
Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

I would like to wish all who celebrate it a very merry Christmas, and a happy new year to everyone!

Valete quam optime!
C. Maria Caeca
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Salve et salvete;

I have solid internet access today for the first time in almost 3 weeks.

So, I'd like to take this opportunity to wish one and all the
Blessings of their Holy Power at this time of many Holy Days.

Hopefully, I'm back in touch fully, looks like I missed this year's election?

Take care!

Vale et valete - Venator

Salve Venator!

The best of this season to you, as well, and the happiest of new years!

Vale Bene!
C. Maria Caeca

Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

I'd like to remind everyone that the Cista is open, and voting in the Comitia Populo Tributa is now available.

Vale bene!
C. Maria Caeca, cives
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It is your duty!

VOTE in the Comitia Populi Tributa NOW!

You can vote on December 27th, 28th and 29th

For instructions on voting see:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Voting_procedure_via_%22votingplace.net%22

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

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Ave!

You should have received a new password. I received a new one yesterday.

Vale,

Sulla

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Salve(te).

I didn't. The instructions onsite also say that one should use the
password previously provided (December 18th, if I remember correctly).

There is a distinct lack of information on this matter, such as a
statement from the presiding officer that the cista is in fact open, that
the earlier one was closed, etc. Bad enough to dispense with all those nice
Roman rules about the praerogativa and such...
Vale(te),

A. Tullia Scholastica

Caesar Scholasticae sal.

Check your email, your spam etc. No, before you start, it isn't a conspiracy to stop you voting. Write to Metellus if you really can't find it. As for telling you the cista is open, well I assume you can read? Thew dates were posted. Additionally since I don't have access to the cista I have no way of "knowing" it is open unless I vote. By the time I voted it was clear it was functioning from posts in the forum. It is open until someone says otherwise or reports otherwise. It worked for me :)

As for dispensing with the "nice Roman rules" - we are constrained by the law and the practicalities of votingplace.net. One of the reasons Octavius washed his hands of supporting us, one - not the only one - was that changes in the laws on voting were never preceded by consultation with him to see if what was proposed was possible. Since we were getting his services for free it was a singular mistake to treat him as the hired help. In 2010 you were complaining about the manual voting system. This is far better and addresses some of the paranoia you trumpeted about then. Did you not pay attention over the years you have been in the Senate as to why we ended up now with this system of voting?

Optime valete



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Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] reminder


 
Salve(te).

I didn't. The instructions onsite also say that one should use the
password previously provided (December 18th, if I remember correctly).

There is a distinct lack of information on this matter, such as a
statement from the presiding officer that the cista is in fact open, that
the earlier one was closed, etc. Bad enough to dispense with all those nice
Roman rules about the praerogativa and such...
Vale(te),

A. Tullia Scholastica
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Salve Scholastica!

I received 2 emails, one containing my new temporary password, and one stating that I could no vote. I also noticed that the log in on Voting Place did not require either my email address or password, just the password. I entered the one I had been given, and voted. Then, mostly to be sure that the differences were known and expected, I wrote to Caninus and explained my experience, and asked him if this was normal. Turns out that it is. Apparently, Voting Place retains certain information from the last election, only a few days ago, so when I entered the password, it recognized me.

I'm sure that, if you didn't get the email containing your password for this election, you can write to Caninus or Metellus, and they can see to it that you are assigned a voting password.

Vale quam optime!
C. Maria Caeca, Civis (oops!)

M. Pompeius Caninus A. Tulliae Scholasticae SPD

The votingplace.net web site hides a cookie, a small file with web site
information, in your local hard drive that has the email address and
citizen ID you entered the last time you voted. When you go to
votingplace.net to vote in a new election, the web site checks for the
cookie from the last election and,, if it is still on your hard drive,
the browser passes the information to the web site so you do not have to
enter that information again --- you just need to enter the new voting
code. You are supposed to receive a new voting code for each election.
If the email with the new code was lost somewhere along the way,
Metellus can press a button on his running results page to send you an
email with a new voting code.

Vale optime!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

Salve Caeca et Scholastica,

I too receive a new email with a new password and could vote without
problem. Yes the site only asked the password since it uses cookies. If
you enter from a different computer or clean the cookies (careful with
that) he will ask again email and citizen ID.

In the plebeian elections I too experience some problems but contact
Metellus and he solved the issue and I could vote.

Valete optime,
Crassus

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Salve Scholastica!

Would someone please toss my spell check off the Tarpian rock? It is not, apparently, telepathic, stupid program, and didn't catch the "no" I wrote, when I meant to write "now". Bad spell check!

Vale Bene!
C. Maria Caeca

Avete Omnes,

I have just seen a post, where the clear differences between Nova Roma vs
our ex members organizations are so blatant, so vast so full of irony that
It would seem sad not to share them with everyone.

Despite the many flaws that Nova Roma has, at least Nova Roma has not taken
any steps to sidestep its responsibility, since the former Powers that be
have vacated the premises. But, it seems that they still have not learned
to actually accept responsibility and the consequences of said
responsibility.

It seems that their senate has just passed a Senatus Consulta that is so
staggering that just has to be seen to be believe, Because it's so full of
comedy gold that I cannot stop laughing, here it is for your review and
just keep in mind, what if Nova Roma decided to do this? What if the
United States Congress decided to do this? The UK Parliament decided to do
this? What if the Israeli Knesset decided to do this? What if any
governing body decided to do this?
_________

Res Publica Romana
Minutes of the Comitia Curiata Ordinarius (Ordinary General Assembly) 2012
9. Decision about *freedom from responsibility for the Board of Directors.*

The Comitia Curiata Ordnarius (General Assembly) approve the proposal to
give "*freedom from responsibility"* to the Consilium Curilis (Board of
Directors).
- UTI ROGAS (YES), 9 votes, 81.82%
- ABSTO (ABSTAIN), 1 votes, 9.09%
- ANTIQUO (NO), 1 votes, 9.09%
The Board of Directors of RPR:

Senator Titus Flavius Aquila (Consul)
Senator Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus (Consul)
Senator Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Censor)
Senator Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus (Censor)
Senator Marcus Julius Perusianus (Praetor Urbanus)

Senator Gregorius Durmius Silesius is elected Substistute Director.
________

Let this sink in for a moment.

What they are saying here is that hey you can give them your money and they
can spend however they wish, but you cannot criticize them for their
individual votes NOR could you hold the entire Board culpable? Well - they
certainly never learned from the MMP
They can take your money and blow it in Las Vegas, but you cannot hold them
individually responsible. They could go on a weekend bender (since I doubt
they have any deeper pockets than that) and throw a house party....with
money that was raised specifically for another cause but nope cant hold
them responsible.

You see where this is going?

With the passage of this "decision" their board could say....yeah we like
slavery and think it should be reinstated - yet they have insulated
themselves from criticism due to the consequences of said decision.

So while Nova Roma is going through our audit and working to maintain its
holdings and to be fiscally responsibly - keep in mind that at least we are
not these folks.

Respectfully,

Sulla


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Salvete omnes!

Wow. Just wow. I'm not familiar with the group in question, nor their reasons for breaking off from Nova Roma, but voting their leadership 'freedom from responsibility' is just asinine. Sulla, thanks for sharing that and giving me a good laugh for the day.

Curate, ut valeatis!

C. Decius Laterensis

Salve Sulla,
I just wanted to thank you for giving publicity to our rival organization.
Anyone who can use Google will now be able to find it, and soon its
membership will grow.

Vale,
Livia

Ave Sulla,

Yes, the "Sertorians" (as I think of the RPR) are good for a laugh.
Roma Antiqua had its own "breakaway republic" under Quintus Sertorius in 83
B.C.E. In the end, it amounted to nothing. As the RPR seems destined to do.
Nova Roma has its problems - we would be fools to pretend otherwise - but
for the last year or so we have been on a path leading back in the right
direction. No more civil strife, no more threat of civil war, magistrates
who actually obey the laws and live with consistency and responsibility . .
.

Cheers,
~ Valerianus

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...
--
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Consul of Nova Roma
Praefectus of Arizona Australis


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Salve Livia,

Why would anyone want to go join an organization that just passed a
resolution disavowing all resposibility for its leadership?

Nova Roma stands for the rule of law, for good order and good government.
The Sertorian RPR just proved it stands for the opposite. I don't think
anyone will ever actually want to join them.

Cheers
~ Valerianus

Ave!

If anyone wants to join an organization that tries to shield itself from
responsibility and the consequences that come with
responsibility.....Livia, you and your buddies are more than welcome to
have them. I cannot see a Gaius Iulius Caesar or a Marcus Tullius Cicero
or a Quintus Fabius Maximus or any ancient Roman wanting to shy away from
responsibility!

Vale,

Sulla

Ave,

I am in total agreement with you.

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <
gaius.tullius.valerianus@...
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Salve Livia et Salvete Omnes,

That rival organization you spoke of which I also believe you are also a
member of? I think that needs to be clarified. You spoke in the tense as
if in complete innocence.

Lets lift that veil shall we?

I will agree with you Livia, yes the RPR will have its share of members.
It has members now right? However due to that post of "publicity" I don't
think it will attract anyone with any common sense between their ears. They
may join Nova Roma or maybe just avoid both groups altogether. That post
amusing as it was will not do the rival group any small favors. What the
RPR will attract is its own version of zealots, balloon inflated egos,
crackpots, bullies, and those that need constant self esteem assurances.

Nova Roma once had its share of those, we all remember right?

We all remember them leaving NR when they did not get their way to form the
RPR..

Valete bene,
Aeternia


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Salvete Omnes!

Methinks Nero might oblige. But we all know how his reign ended.

Valete optime,

Q. Sicinius Proculus

- John J. DiGilio

* Sent from my iPhone *

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Ave!

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:19 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...
Well that is a question I had as well. Since no one seems to know the
actual text that their Board voted on, but considering it was a matter
brought before the Board I would imagine it would be relating to Board
decisions, since well additional information was shared on the BA, a list
that you are on Scholastica, so you can judge based on the same information
I have.


LOL well good more areas of criticism :)

LOL this just takes the comedy to even greater heights... :) Lets just keep
the hits coming....This has been one of the great threads of humor in NR.
I hope we are all enjoying it.



Well if he has forced to do the work himself, something he rarely needed to
do in NR, given his staff of thousands....it would stand to reason someone
as overworked as himself would make some mistakes. He was spoiled when he
was in NR. ;)

Vale,

Sulla


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Ave Sulla,
 
This decretum is not allowed by the common sense, the philosophy, the history, the legality and the gods. Those apparently do not know the sort of the Atrides, nobody may be free of responsibility. This is just for me the evidence that the ancient Romans were cleaver in their acts. When the Roman Plebs decided to leave Roma and to create a new and plebeian Rome in the Aventine, at least they did not do it. They obtained the plebeian magistrates as the tribunes and the ediles and then Rome may go on and be one. Those in another hand preferred to leave Nova Roma and build another organization and magistra Scholastica may see that those builders whose the paterns, the goals were to make better than Nova Roma did, do not know the basic Latin too. In my opinion they did wrong only because they wanted to be leaders and now they want to be leaders free of responsibility... All that is sad and ridiculous together.
Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
pridie Kalendas Ianuarias MMDCCLXV  

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De : Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... À : "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com Envoyé le : Dimanche 30 décembre 2012 22h42
Objet : [Nova-Roma] Let's just compare here


 

Avete Omnes,

I have just seen a post, where the clear differences between Nova Roma vs
our ex members organizations are so blatant, so vast so full of irony that
It would seem sad not to share them with everyone.

Despite the many flaws that Nova Roma has, at least Nova Roma has not taken
any steps to sidestep its responsibility, since the former Powers that be
have vacated the premises. But, it seems that they still have not learned
to actually accept responsibility and the consequences of said
responsibility.

It seems that their senate has just passed a Senatus Consulta that is so
staggering that just has to be seen to be believe, Because it's so full of
comedy gold that I cannot stop laughing, here it is for your review and
just keep in mind, what if Nova Roma decided to do this? What if the
United States Congress decided to do this? The UK Parliament decided to do
this? What if the Israeli Knesset decided to do this? What if any
governing body decided to do this?
_________

Res Publica Romana
Minutes of the Comitia Curiata Ordinarius (Ordinary General Assembly) 2012
9. Decision about *freedom from responsibility for the Board of Directors.*

The Comitia Curiata Ordnarius (General Assembly) approve the proposal to
give "*freedom from responsibility"* to the Consilium Curilis (Board of
Directors).
- UTI ROGAS (YES), 9 votes, 81.82%
- ABSTO (ABSTAIN), 1 votes, 9.09%
- ANTIQUO (NO), 1 votes, 9.09%
The Board of Directors of RPR:

Senator Titus Flavius Aquila (Consul)
Senator Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus (Consul)
Senator Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Censor)
Senator Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus (Censor)
Senator Marcus Julius Perusianus (Praetor Urbanus)

Senator Gregorius Durmius Silesius is elected Substistute Director.
________

Let this sink in for a moment.

What they are saying here is that hey you can give them your money and they
can spend however they wish, but you cannot criticize them for their
individual votes NOR could you hold the entire Board culpable? Well - they
certainly never learned from the MMP
They can take your money and blow it in Las Vegas, but you cannot hold them
individually responsible. They could go on a weekend bender (since I doubt
they have any deeper pockets than that) and throw a house party....with
money that was raised specifically for another cause but nope cant hold
them responsible.

You see where this is going?

With the passage of this "decision" their board could say....yeah we like
slavery and think it should be reinstated - yet they have insulated
themselves from criticism due to the consequences of said decision.

So while Nova Roma is going through our audit and working to maintain its
holdings and to be fiscally responsibly - keep in mind that at least we are
not these folks.

Respectfully,

Sulla

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Ave!

Well they can have him :) and for that matter Elaglabius! ;)

Vale,

Sulla

Cn. Iulius Caesar consul sal.

I don't know why they need "freedom from responsibility". They haven't done anything to be held responsible for (have they?), apart from leave Nova Roma, and we should actually give them all a medal for that - those that left voluntarily that is for you don't get a reward for being tossed out on your ear. The main reason they cited that they all left here was because Nova Roma was, apparently according to them, polluted both on a political and religious level. 

The political level of pollution was because there was opposition from about 1/3rd of the Senate to their more "ambitious" ideas, such as spending $10,000 USD on a new software system. Their attempt to ram this through, together with some expulsions of some of their noted opponents, fell flat on its face when the attempt to illegally impose a dictatorship tripped over its own toga under Maine state law. After they fired that bolt and it ended up in their collective feet, well there wasn't much reason to stay. Opposition would have continued unabated to their lunacy and I think they knew the jig was up.

I also suspect $10K for the webpage and software would have turned out to be $10K plus quite bit more. Interestingly they didn't spend $10K of their own money on building this wondrous new system for themselves when they dribbled out the gates of Nova Roma into their new creation. No doubt it wasn't necessary for some reason ;) Then again it is always easier to spend other people's money, money raised over years and which ensures Nova Roma has a measure of fiscal stability, than one's own. No, they instead designed their webpage for almost free, certainly nowhere near $10K. Very sensible and a pity they couldn't have been as fiscally conservative in Nova Roma. The jingle-jangle of coin in our Treasury was too tempting for them obviously.

Nova Roma was also, apparently, religiously polluted by Christians (the old saw trotted out by the religious/political fanatics anxious to find a scapegoat), "atheists" and those that didn't agree with the then Pontifex Maximus and his adherents that the religio should be converted into some Waco like cult. Those that disagreed politically with him were, strangely, also deemed to be enemies of the Gods on his say so. He had a dream didn't he, or heard thunder, or there was an earthquake somewhere in the world in the same year as some opposition to him. Sounds reasonable enough to me for a quick round of "religious" condemnations <lol
I am not even sure their motion is legal, but maybe it is in Sweden. If it is legal it is also just as well that the incorporation state for Nova Roma was never moved out of the USA. They wanted to, but couldn't even get their act together to achieve that. I used to joke that they would only be happy if they incorporated Nova Roma in the Sudan or Zimbabwe because laws there either don't exist or are routinely ignored. It appears they might feel more comfortable making decisions now that there is no apparent responsibility that can fall on their heads. Can you simply pass a motion and say you aren't responsible for say tax liabilities, criminal acts, defamation etc etc? Sounds dodgy to me but since they never saw wire-fraud as an issue I suppose I shouldn't be surprised :) 

Oh, the $10K on the super new IT software and webpage would have gone to an ex-citizen and close adherent of the now departed majority. hew as going to build it for us. I think that degree of closeness is far too close for comfort. It could be said to be ethically stench ridden. I don't doubt we might have got the program, eventually, and commercially $10K was apparently the going rate, but we can't afford $10K, then or now. It is an absurd amount of money to spend. We will find other solutions, just as they had to when they didn't have the Nova Roman treasury to plunder and dole out to their compatriots.

Anyway Sulla, thanks for the big chuckle. Clearly their project is proceeding with all the vim and vigor that the MMP project did, i.e. virtually at a standstill, and hovering at being shoved into reverse. 

What a surprise :) The biggest chuckle though is that we aren't there so they can't blame us for the lack of progress, incompetence and head up posterior decision making that they were all so famous for, unless of course we have cursed them or are affecting them by sitting in a circle with our tin-foil hats on projecting negative energy <lol
It couldn't just be they couldn't organize a drunk fest in a bar on free drinks day, could it? Nope, got to be someone else. 

Optime valete



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From: Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 3:04 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Let's just compare here


 
Salvete omnes!

Wow. Just wow. I'm not familiar with the group in question, nor their reasons for breaking off from Nova Roma, but voting their leadership 'freedom from responsibility' is just asinine. Sulla, thanks for sharing that and giving me a good laugh for the day.

Curate, ut valeatis!

C. Decius Laterensis

Salvete omnes,

I would like to wish a happy and prosperous year of 2766 to you all
and to your families.

Valete,
Crassus

Enviado do meu iPhone

Salve Aeternia,

Totally possible. Apparently any kind of organization attracts those.

Actually I remember them staying in Nova Roma after everybody else left ...
But I guess it's a matter of point of view.
At the moment I'm inactive in both organizations. I'm dividing my energies
equitably: 0 to both.

About the other organization, one has to add that no fees were asked or
collected so far, so for the moment the "freedom from responsibility" just
means the freedom to spend no money. The organization is registered in
Sweden, so for all I know the deliberation might have been needed for
admnistrative purposes.
And I have already spent more energy than I deem worthy talking about these
organization, so this was my last word on the matter.

Vale,
Livia

Salve Petroni,
no need to bring in the gods, the Atrides, and who knows what.

As I suspected, it turns out that In Sweden when a Board of Directors (CC,
Consilium Curulis in RPR's case) have fulfilled their year of work they need
to be declared to be "no longer responsible for that year". The General
Assembly (Comitia Curiata in our case) declared the CC to have done a very
good job and to be "no longer responsible for that year".

Tibi bonum annum opto,
optime vale,
Livia

Q Caecilius Metellus custos Senatui Populoque Quiritium Nouo Romano salutem dicit.

For the Comitia Centuriata convened December, 2765 auc, the results are as follows:

Void centuries: 26 [03, 04, 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 20, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 38, 39, 40, 42, 43, 44, 48, 49]
(For brevity, the listing of these centuries is not repeated in those noted void for each office, but included in the total numbers.)

For the consulatus:

Void centuries: 35 [01, 06, 07, 08, 13, 16, 19, 24, 41]

Centuries required for election: 9

L Cornelius Sulla Felix: 16 [02, 05, 09, 10, 12, 21, 22, 23, 34, 36, 37, 45, 46, 47, 50, 51]

L Cornelius Sulla Felix is elected consul.

For the censura:

Void centuries: 31 [01, 06, 07, 08, 16]

Centuries required for election: 11

Cn Iulius Caesar: 20 [02, 05, 09, 10, 12, 13, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 34, 36, 37, 41, 45, 46, 47, 50, 51]

Cn Iulius Caesar is elected censor.

For the praetura:

Void centuries: 27 [41]

Centuries required for election: 13

C Aemilius Crassus: 24 [01, 02, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 16, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 34, 36, 37, 45, 46, 47, 50, 51]

C Aemilius Crassus is elected praetor.

Valete optime!

Quintus Caecilius Metellus

May the gods guide them in their duties and keep Nova Roma great!

Q. Sicinius Proculus

Salvete omnes!

Congratulations to the newly elected magistrates! May the Gods guide you as you assume your duties.

Valete!

Gaius Decius Laterensis

In a message dated 12/30/2012 2:24:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
livia.plauta@... writes:

Salve Sulla,
I just wanted to thank you for giving publicity to our rival organization.
Anyone who can use Google will now be able to find it, and soon its
membership will grow.

livia livia livia.

the biggest failing of all those former nr magistrates mentioned were their
inability to operate within the constraints of the law, either nr or
macronational. and when they were called to task about violations of law they
responded by either lying, claiming ignorance, or running away. so, i'm
sure their new organization will attract the same type of people, so of
course they had to that resort to that type of statement to keep people from
expecting anything or to keep them from suing. However, ignoring
responsibility is not very Roman, which sums up the whole sad state of affairs with a
rpg.

happy new year

fabius

Sent fom my Verizon Blackberry




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Q Caecilius Metellus custos Senatui Populoque Quiritium Romano salutem dicit.

For the Comitia Populi Tributa, convened by Consul Cn Iulius Caesar in December, 2765 auc, the results are as follows:

Void tribes: 7 [01, 13, 15, 17, 18, 24, 28]

For the quaestura, fifteen (15) tribes are required for election in the first round.

Cn Cornelius Lentulus: 22 [02*, 03*, 04*, 05, 06, 07, 09, 10, 12*, 14*, 16*, 20, 21*, 22*, 26, 27*, 29*, 30, 32, 33, 34, 35]

A Iulius Paterculus: 6 [08*, 11, 19*, 23*, 25*, 31]

In the first round, Cn Cornelius Lentulus is elected quaestor.

Tribes void in the second round: 14 [05, 06, 09, 10, 20, 26, 30, plus those void in the first round]

Eleven tribes are required for election in this round.

A Iulius Paterculus: 21 [02, 03, 04, 07, 08, 11, 12, 14, 16, 19, 21, 22, 23, 25, 27, 29, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35]

In the second round, A Iulius Paterculus is elected quaestor.

For the aedilitas curulis:

Fifteen tribes are required for election.

P Annaeus Constantinus Placidus: 28 [02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 11, 12, 14, 16, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35]

For the aedilitas curulis, P Annaeus Constantinus Placidus is elected curule aedile.

Valete optime!

Omnibus in Foro S. P. D.

It is my hope that each of you has a very happy and safe celebration of the new year, and that this year is bountiful in all ways for you. It is my prayer that the gods protect and prosper each of you, your families, and all that you hold dear.

It is also my hope that this coming year will be very beneficial for Nova Roma, and that we can continue the careful and meticulous foundation on which we will be able to rebuild a healthy and vibrant modern Roman Republic.

Vale quam optime!
C. Maria Caeca, Sacerdos Vestae
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Felicem bonum annum!

Happy New Year and may it be a good year for Nova Roma, all our loved
ones and each and every one of us!

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

Salvete!

I assume this was done *after* a full external audit?

Valete!
C. Maria Caeca

You found out? Or you were told? There is a big difference. ;)

Look no organization no matter can just up and say we are no longer
responsible for that year. Because the Board is responsible for all the
actions it has taken! Regardles if it was 1 year ago or 5 years ago. The
Board is responsible for the actions and in-actions it takes.

This is why the Board has minutes of the meeting. This goes for both FOR
profit corporations and Not for profit corporations.

Now, if they are closing the books on the past year on business for that
year then the item would have said that, but it didn't - so unless you have
the actual text of the agenda item to prove me wrong. Which I would know
you would love to do ;) I am going to keep to my original post that this
was nothing more than a Board trying to duck its own fiduciary
obligations.

And, since Caeso is basically fronting the majority of the funding, it
would stand to reason that there is no not for profit status, thusly my
question would be uh why even do the agenda item, it would be unnecessary.

Well it seems that your guys organization is running effectively as when
you guys ran NR.

Vale,

Sulla

C. Petronius Dexter Pontifex Maximus omnibus Quiritibus salutem dicit
plurimam,



"Prospera lux oritur : linguis animisque favete !

Nunc dicenda bona sunt bona verba die.

A prosperous day dawns: favour our thoughts and speech!

Let auspicious words be said on this auspicious day."

~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.71-72



Today morning, capite velato, I invoked Iuno Covella by saying the
traditional

formula:



« Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella »

« Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella »

« Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella »

« Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella »

« Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella »



I offered incense and saying prayers I asked the Goddess to be favorable
toward us, the Quirites of Nova Roma, give us a happy year and good health
for 2766.

This month the nundinal letter is "F".

The festivals to be celebrated in the month of January shall be:



IANVARIVS



1 A Kal. Ian. F

2 B a.d.IV Non. Ian. F Ater

3 C a.d.III Non. Ian. C

4 D Pr Non. Ian. C Feriae Vicae Potae

5 E Non. Ian. F Ater

6 F a.d.VIII Id. Ian. F *Nundina*

7 G a.d.VII Id. Ian. C

8 H a.d.VI Id. Ian. C

9 A a.d.V Id. Ian. NP Agonium Ianuarium

10 B a.d.IV Id. Ian. EN

11 C a.d.III Id. Ian. NP Carmentalia

12 D Pr Id. Ian. C

13 E Id. Ian. NP Feriae Iovi

14 F a.d.XIX Kal. Feb. EN Ater, *Nundina*

15 G a.d.XVIII Kal. Feb. NP Carmentalia

16 H a.d.XVII Kal. Feb. C

17 A a.d.XVI Kal. Feb. C

18 B a.d.XV Kal. Feb. C Compitalia

19 C a.d.XIV Kal. Feb. C

20 D a.d.XIII Kal. Feb. C

21 E a.d.XII Kal. Feb. C

22 F a.d.XI Kal. Feb. C *Nundina*

23 G a.d.X Kal. Feb. C

24 H a.d.IX Kal. Feb. C

25 A a.d.VIII Kal. Feb. C

26 B a.d.VII Kal. Feb. C

27 C a.d.VI Kal. Feb. C

28 D a.d.V Kal. Feb. C

29 E a.d.IV Kal. Feb. F

30 F a.d.III Kal. Feb. F *Nundina*

31 G Pr Kal. Feb. C

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At the end I poured a libation of milk thanking to the Goddess for Her

benevolence.



Optime valete.



--

C. Petronius Dexter

Pontifex Maximus Arcoiali scribebat

Kalendis Ianuariis MMDCCLXVI aVc.



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