Salve Aeternia,

Yeah, that was me . . . even if it did bring to mind former citizen Marinus
and his Amazing Technicolor Wreath . . . :)

concept but perhaps a different symbol. Say an Eagle with a wreath?

Umm, well, yes, but call me a traditionalist, but it ought to be a laurel
wreath. Mos Maiorum and all that. From the Greek tradition (that might even
predate Romulus!) through the Romans through Dante Aligheri right down to
today's Philip Levine (current Poet Laureate of the United States of
America) . . .


whose inbox is swelled to the maximum.. Instead of unsubscribing in
frustration, you can always go Digest Mode or Web Only mode.

Wait . . . what?!?!? Did someone actually unsub because of our e-mail? Or
are you just speculating that some people would almost *want* to unsub
because their inboxes are bursting? I'm hoping just the latter . . . unless
a person really did unsub and it turns out to be Livia Plauta, in which
case, I'd celebrate with a glass of wine and make some of it a libation!
Vale optime,
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Praefectus of Arizona Australis


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Ave Valeriane,
 
I am longing to read English poems on Romans... but if I do not have the ear to appreciate English verses, it will be pleasant for me to discover how American poets haevily influenced by the Victorian moral may sing roman things.
Cura ut valeas.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. VII Idus Februarias MMDCCLXVI  

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Salve Aeternia,

Yeah, that was me . . . even if it did bring to mind former citizen Marinus
and his Amazing Technicolor Wreath . . . :)

concept but perhaps a different symbol. Say an Eagle with a wreath?

Umm, well, yes, but call me a traditionalist, but it ought to be a laurel
wreath. Mos Maiorum and all that. From the Greek tradition (that might even
predate Romulus!) through the Romans through Dante Aligheri right down to
today's Philip Levine (current Poet Laureate of the United States of
America) . . .

whose inbox is swelled to the maximum.. Instead of unsubscribing in
frustration, you can always go Digest Mode or Web Only mode.

Wait . . . what?!?!? Did someone actually unsub because of our e-mail? Or
are you just speculating that some people would almost *want* to unsub
because their inboxes are bursting? I'm hoping just the latter . . . unless
a person really did unsub and it turns out to be Livia Plauta, in which
case, I'd celebrate with a glass of wine and make some of it a libation!
Vale optime,
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Praefectus of Arizona Australis

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Salve Valerianus,

See commentary below.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <
gaius.tullius.valerianus@...
Aeternia: You said it not me... But that wasn't my first thought more like
my second maybe third.. My first thought was someone mentioned Poetry on
the ML and it actually wasn't me. Wicked.

given to Marinus is still fresh in peoples minds. I thought the Eagle
since it was the bird of Rome and the wreath as a slow neutral
re-introduction. I could've went with Hoopoe(insert the jokes)....

Aeternia: Fortuna favors the bold over there ;-) . Yes someone did, but
that's normal actually. When we did the Poetry Improv some months back
people unsubbed from the Muses list. It's par for the course, so that's
why I did my alternate suggestion. I'd rather see people condense their
inboxes than just walk away you know what I mean?

Vale et Valete bene,
Aeternia

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Ave Dexter,

I wish I had any talent for Latin verse composition, as I would like
to see that, too! But alas, I can write Latin, read Latin, speak Latin, but
not make Latin verse. Do you? I know you write a lot in Latin!
Anyway, between Caeca, Aeternia, and Venator, I'm sure we'll see some
(more) English poems on the Romans soon enough!

Cura ut valeas,
~ Valerianus


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Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Praefectus of Arizona Australis


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Salve Consul,


For a new civis it can be quite overwhelming for a list that goes from
usually quite Mum to Loads-O-Posting in just a few short hours.

I'm not trying to justify it.

However giving the other side of the coin.

My post was not to call anyone out on it but a form of prevention... There
may be others who feel the same way.

There are options instead of just walking away if you get the drift.

Vale bene,
Aeternia


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Aeternia Valeriano Dextro Omnibusque S.P.D.


Here is me Advocatus Diaboli (Devil's Advocate) for a moment.


So here's an idea.

Magistra Scholastica can write poetry.

Dexter is also a Latinist.


Together they could write Latin Poetry as a project... Or another idea to
consider..

Is if someone could translate some of the Poetry that has been created
during the last couple "Poetry Improv's" we did into Latin..

We would have Latin Poetry by Nova Romans..

Think on it :-).


Valete bene,
Aeternia


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C. Tullius Valerianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D.

Well, now that you mention it, I do remember that you were on there, too.
It has been a while, and I remembered Maior being fairly outspoken about
them, so that's what stuck, I guess. I should have remembered you were
involved. Gettin' older, I guess . . . :)

had a
and
See, these are things I would definitely like to see more of! And regular
news of some sort, perhaps, like the Senate session results, election
results, Ludi reports, etc.

us
Horrors?!? On the contrary . . . oh, wait. I get it. The anti-Latin
contingent here in NR. It really is quite a small group. Those of us who
want to use more Latin in public life need to simply do so (within the
laws, sigh) and get it the respect it deserves. I half want to run for
praetor in the future just so I can stop the renewal of the senseless
edicts against Latin. For the record, I LIKE the use of Latin in NR. I only
object when it is used as something to hide behind (e.g. using it against
someone *because* they have no Latin - I just think it's rude!).


There we shall disgree. She was tried in the courts of Nova Roma and
convicted. Not the best representative we could have. Nor the worst; there
I'll agree with you. Look, I know you were on good terms with her, if not
friends with her, and I'm not trying to cause strife with you, so I'll drop
it - no point to arguing over someone who's long gone anyway - but that's
one of the things that stands out in my memory about her. Her conviction. I
wasn't her friend, never wanted to be, but I offered her quite a few olive
branches in my time, even begged her to reconsider when she was resigning
her citizenship, because I believe that a diversity of opinion strengthens
NR, and even though she and I disagreed I was interested in some of her
ideas (when she was slightly more balanced). Anyway. I'm sorry if you take
my criticism of her personally, it isn't meant so. Just stating the facts
as I know and see them.


Well, hopefully NR can get something like that going in the near future!


Vale!
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Praefectus of Arizona Australis


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Valerianus Aeterniae S.P.D.

My problem with writing Latin poetry is that I find it so hard to get
the meter right! Every word affects every other word, so writing Latin
verse is like doing a Rubik's Cube with words! Every time I think I have a
line right, I spot an elision or a vowel that has been rendered long by a
following word, and I get soooo frustrated! I find Latin verse insanely
difficult . . . and I think Latin itself is EASY!

Vale,
~ Valerianus

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Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Praefectus of Arizona Australis


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Aeternia Valeriano S.P.D.

My knowledge of Latin is quite small compared to yours..

I know English words will not always have the same exact meaning in Latin.
...

To accomplish such a feat would you say shorter poems would have just a wee
chance of being translated? Say an example such as haiku's?

I would hate to see such an opportunity pass by now that's been brought up.

Vale bene,
Aeternia


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Valerianus Aeterniae S.P.D.

Salve! Well, if you're counting non-traditional Latin verse forms, yes,
it's easier. E.g., instead of traditional, say, dactylic hexameter (the
meter of epic poetry), haiku is fairly simple. There is even a community
out there that does Latin haiku. Mostly in Northern Europe, I think.
There's a book of Latin haiku ("Tonight They All Dance" -
http://www.amazon.com/Tonight-They-All-Dance-English/dp/0865164401/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360215400&sr=8-1&keywords=tonight+they+all+dance
),
and it's pretty good.

Vale,
~ Valerianus

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...
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Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Praefectus of Arizona Australis


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C. Maria Caeca Sta. Corneliae Aeterniae C. Tullio Valeriano Omnibusque in
foro S. P. D.



Um .I think that the 2 of you are addressing two different things. If I'm
correct, Valerianus is referring to poetry composed in Latin, using
traditional Latin forms, meters, etc. Aeternia is suggesting that poetry
written in English be translated into correct Latin. Such poetry would be
in more modern forms, meters, etc., and I seriously doubt they could even be
put into ancient forms, though they could be translated into Latin.



Valete bene!



CMC



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Ave,

I'm not laughing, just surprised. Perhaps there should be some kind of
disclaimer that in the list description that the Main List can be a high
volume list and there could be redirection to either the FH list or the
Announce list for a more slower pace of messages?

Vale,

Sulla

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Ave, Consul!

Um, I thought there was such a disclaimer ...there certainly was when I
joined the ML, although that was in 2006,and I admit I haven't read the list
description recently.

Vale bene!
C. Maria Caeca

Sta. Cornelia Aeternia C.Mariae Caecae C. Tullio Valeriano Omnibusque in
foro S.P.D.

I think Caeca's poetry would be even more wonderful translated into Latin.


I think we may have been on two different points of the same wavelength..

It would be nice to see this idea expounded upon as well.

And I didn't even know Haiku's could be done in Latin! I have saved the
link for "Tonight They All Dance"...

Now if I could get the idea of Beowulf being translated into Latin out of
my head..

I'm a sucker for epic poetry personally.

Valete bene,
Aeternia


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Ave,

Nope it has no such disclaimer. Here is what it states:

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Lentulus Tulliae senatrici et Tarquitio s. p. d.


Although it might be confusing to have more than one well known persons around with the same cognomen, it is entirely not the reason (or it is just partly the reason) why "overused" cognomina are discouraged. We shall discourage Cicerones and Caesares overflooding Nova Roma because that simply would be unrealistical, unRoman and ridiculous at best. I know many USA citizens are familiar with American civil war reenactors. Could you imagine that, for exmple, 10 out of a group of 20 reenactors in a yankee unit take the name A. Lincoln, the other half, Ulysses S. Grant ? How would that reflect a 19th century USA society? I know their reconstructive goals are different than ours (they play characters, we live our lives), but for me i does not mean we should be less attentive to such details, but on the contrary, we shall be even more thoughtful and careful to pay attention that the society we are constructing be a product that invokes the real feel of Rome;
not just a circus. And, since it can not be expected from everyone to know how to do it, there shall be rules that ensure the result is what is intended. This is why the Censorial Office has taken care (but has never applied FORCE in this!) that newcomers be advised to choose a name which is not a Lincoln or U. S. Grant, but a Smith or Jackson. So it is not a problem if we have too many Longi (Longuses), or Lupi (Lupuses), because in Roman society that was a very freqent name. However, we call the attention of newcomers to that, too, because it might be a probem FOR THEM to have a name which could be confused. The problem is when people want to Cicerones or Scipiones. And I repeat they can be that too, just has to insist on it a bit.

What I wanted to say? Ahh... I just want wanted to say that from Roman point of view our new Paulinus may just use his cognomen anytime he wishes, just be advised that you might be confused with the other Paulini. Which is not a tragedy, but better to avoid.















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Lentulus Claudio s. p. d.

Congratulations, Quadrate, for your achievements in the fields of music. I was thinking about making a little surprise for NR for the upcoming Quindecennial Ludi from Mach 1 to 15 when the Nova Roman Republic will celebrate Her 15th Birthday. If you contact me in private, we can talk about it.

Vale optime!
Lentulus

--- Gio 7/2/13, charlesaronowitz@... <charlesaronowitz@...





Salve Lentule!

Thank you for the information.  Is it possible for me to obtain a copy of your anthem?  I gather the text, but not the music, was original.  In 1960, while I was a graduate student working on a degree in choral music, the powers that be at Brooklyn College (now part of the CUNY) decided they needed a new alma mater.  They held a contest and my entry won the vote.  I have some experience in serious song and choral composition and would gladly undertake to set a text to music and then arrange for it to be recorded.

Vale!

Quadratus

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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      Cn. Lentulus C. Claudio s. p. d.



Dear Quadrate, I think it is a wonderful idea. I have written an anthem of Nova Roma for the Tenth Anniversary M. Piscino T. Sabino coss. (2008), during the International Nova Roman Conventus and we performed it with Livia, a video record was even made (seems to have disappeared). It's Latin, and was sung for an existing song's tune, but was intended to get an own melody that is similar to that song which inspired the rhythm. P. Ullerius consular senator has also written a poem for the tenth anniversary that is on our website "Concordialia Hymn":



http://novaroma.org/nr/Concordia_Observance_~_Ludi_Conditorum_2761_AUC_%28Nova_Roma%29#CONCORDIALIA_HYMN



In this special year, "The Sacred Year of Concord - 15th Anniversary of Nova Roma", which is to be held on March 1st to March 15, it is an excellent idea for preparation to the celebration for citizens to write a NR anthem.



However, I would not like to see one poem singled out (NOT EVEN MINE) and declared our official national anthem because that would bring us far away from what Romans think about nation and state. We are far too much influenced by 19th century and contemporary political ideas and constructions that made many deeply Roman characters who joined Nova Roma and tried to find their place in a community of true mos maiorum and Romanitas often leave us in disappointment saying there is very few in NR that resembles Roman mindedness - except our Roman names and the bad habit of civil warring (at least in emails). And indeed, there are very little occasions in NR when we approach a question with the mindset "What the Romans would do?".



Well, to have a populus (rogh equivalent of nation) and a res publica (state), for a Roman does not mean to uniformize everything that is official and have only "one people, one song, one leader".  The Roman populus consisted of many nations and subcultures, they had many state symbols (not just the eagle or just the SPQR letters), even they could not stop by having one president but they saw the world more round by having two consuls, and despite being a republic, a sacrificial king.



I think this jungle-like interconnectedness, multi-levelness, deepness of dimensions and the various meandering and paralell subsets of Roman culture and institutions is what makes Rome so wonderful, unique, that may never become boring.



It could never be properly expressed by one anthem. We need dozens of anthems for various occasions and from various aspects to sing the glory of Rome and of the mission of Nova Roma.



Da operam, ut valeas!

LENTVLVS



--- Mer 6/2/13, charlesaronowitz@... charlesaronowitz@...


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Data: Mercoledì 6 febbraio 2013, 20:31



Salvete omnes!



While we're on the subject of contests - does Nova Roma have an anthem?  If not, how about a contest to write / compose / adapt something appropriate?



Valete!



To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

From: rajuc47@...

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:07:23 -0800

Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Question for everyone



 



   

     

     

      C. Decius Laterensis Cn. Lentulo omnibusque S.P.D.



If the previous person in charge of the Amazon project was expelled, it might be best if we started a new store from scratch rather than restoring the old one.  I don't know the situation that led to M. Lucretius Agricola's expulsion, but you don't want a potential security hole anywhere you can help it.  Especially with anything concerning money.



Also, I like the idea of the monthly essay contest.  A $15 prize would suit me fine, since I'd just apply it to my taxes.  Perhaps it might be better to do more than just essays, though.  Different people have different talents, after all.  Perhaps one month, it could be an essay.  Another month, it could be a short story, a drawing, a poem, or any other creative endeavor.  It'd be a good way for the Sodalitas Musarum to get it's name out, too.



Curate, ut valeatis!



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Lentulus Valeriano s. p. d.


I, for one, amice, and, I say for Hercules, that at least 99% of Nova Romans, see nothing that would evoke memory of ridicle regarding the well deserved honor that Cn. Marinus was awarded a laurel wreath. On the contrary, it gave a rank to the institution that such a fine and excellent Nova Roman was the first to be awarded by it for performing examplary dedication and diligence in all of his offices and public work. It's not by chance that he was almost unanimously accepted by all senators to the position of dictator when Nova Roma had to be put on the right track 3 years ago. Now that the event finished in disgrace because the proponents of dictatorship did not pay attention to Main law (just like when the senators appointed Vedius as dictator), it does not diminish Cn. Marinus' contributions to Nova Roma.

What I wanted to say was not this, but I had a question.

How much is the crowning of the poets a Roman institution? This tradition, as it is known today, originates from Renaissance Italy, and best known because of Petrarca. I know that Nero and Domitian, two abhorring example of what the Romans called fully anti-Roman characters, organized games in which poets could compete and laurel crown was given for the winners. I have also read Theodosius forbade this practice, from which we can deduce that it was *probably* practiced, perhaps not continuously, but from time to time. But besides these three data, I have absolutely no information about this being a Roman practice, and nothing from the republican era. Do you, or anyone, have more information on that?

I ask this to open our mind to find the BEST solution to motivate our poets in the MOST Roman way. We have so many things and customs in NR that are not very well echoing the Roman spirit, and we already live in a world which (at least in some countries) awards the title "poet laureate". When it comes to us, as a Roman reconstructionist society, I think the question should be not "how to incorporate our today's world institutions in Nova Roma", but "how to bring back the most authentic Roman traditions". In that respect, crowning poets and the title "poet laureate" maybe isn't to best way to recreate Roman ways in our poetical endeavors. Perhaps poets should be rewarded otherwise. I don't know. Just food for thought.

Valé optimé!



















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Cn. Lentulus Gratiae Avitae s. p. d.


Dear Gratia, it's so impressive to see you made notes and followed the discussions so carefully! It shall make us, those who speak in public, ever so attentive to how we speak and what we say, and that we always shall consider that there are many who don't speak but listen, and when the times come, decide with their votes.Or by their virtual feet, if we fail to make our forum a place where they can feel home (or they can feel Rome), and they leave us.

Thank you for sharing your notes, and I hope we will meet on various NR workplaces when we implement these and other ideas into life.

Vale optime!
 

--- Gio 7/2/13, Tanya Bergstein <appia_gratia_avita@...
















 









Ap. Gratia Avita Omnibus S.P.D.



I have read a lot on Nova Roma since I joined (and actually the entire year previous to this) but I don't think I have ever commented.  But having just read the huge influx of emails today I had some comments that could be helpful.  I have learned a lot and continue to be excited about finding my place in Nova Roma and helping it grow.



First of all, I have recently spent a great deal of time on the wiki just in basic clean up.  For example, there are a lot of pages with good historical information that link to nothing - no other pages which makes it difficult for someone like me (far from an expert on anything Roman) to get complete information.  This is a simple task that hasn't required any special talent or ability on my part.  I mention this only because my one suggestion would be to fully use the Wiki and for everyone to take ownership of it.



Otherwise, the other thing I did was start taking notes throughout this discussion to see if my ideas were mentioned (and for the most part they were).  I thought others might like this summary as well so here it is (this includes ideas that were said to be unworkable but I wrote them down just to spark my further thought):



* monthly essay

* wiki essay

* one month a poem, story, drawing ect.

* gift card for winner

* laurel wreath for winner

* artistic contests

* related to crafts/skills like music or theater

* online forum or chat client

* meetings via Skype

* advertising campaign

* publicity campaign at classics/history dept

* fliers to pagan community

* Sodalitas Musarum promotion

* Amazon Bookstore and all the associated details

* feature music and recordings of lectures, poetry, book readings

* podcast of Nova Roma News

* Wiki content expanded and enhanced

* Blog

* Some kind of Ludi gaming like WOW

* on line radio show

* interviews with authors

* Nova Roma hat, shirts and rings

* Nova Roma anthem



I am only sharing this list because this could further spark some more creative thoughts - I figured if it helped me it may help someone else.



Valete!



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Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 5:34 PM

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C. Maria Caeca L. Cornelio Sullae Consuli S. P. D.



I think this was an all out brain storming session, and those can be of

value. Some ideas will be easy to implement, some will take longer, some

should stay on the back burner until we decide if we want to follow up on

them, and some may be let go. Brain Storming is a way of throwing

everything up against the wall to see what sticks, with no commitment to

take any of the suggestions, let alone all of them. As a citizen and

reader, most of them sounded excellent and doable, at least at some point,

but, as you say, there are other, far more crucial matters on NR's plate

right now, and until *they* have been done, these ideas cannot be developed.

I didn't think it needed to be said, but you must know that if I can be of

any assistance in any way, just tell me what and when. Just .for everyone's

sake, don't ask me to do anything cyberly technical .I'll mess it up. Heck,

I can't seem to manage my own &****%% adaptive software, and, as usual,

Freedom Scientifics' tech support is of no help whatsoever. But enough of

that ..I don't think any of us expect immediate results from this

discussion. I do think it was extremely creative and healthy, and, to be

honest, it is heartening to see this amount of activity conducted without

descending into arguments, name calling and personal attacks. It tells me,

or rather reinforces what I've always believed, that our members can, in

fact work together, disagree, refine ideas, and come up with workable

product: and perhaps this is our most valuable result of today's activity.



Vale et valete bene!



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Salvete omnes,

I confess that I'm not an huge fan of yahoo email lists but on other
hand I like to receive the messages in email format for several reasons
including be able to read off line and easy to archive.

For me the ideal would be an internet forum where people would be able
to set the forum to receive all messages from certain sub fora in email,
or in digest email or using a browser only. But the only reason I would
prefer this solution is because that would makes us independent of an
external identity (yahoo) and we stop the passage of ownership of lists
every time the magistrates change or loosing lists due less serious persons.

But even with what we have I think it is possible to configure the email
lists to each ones liking.

We can set the yahoo lists to send an individual email for each new
post, or in a digested email with the several posts of the last xx days,
or no email at all.

For the ones who want most email clients are able to show the emails by
conversation so it is more easy to follow each topic separately. Also
the people which prefer the web based forum they can read the messages
in the groups page and configure it to show messages by topic
(conversation) making the groups page much like an internet forum.

So with a little configuration here and there it is possible to
participate in the debates using emails or web based forum.

Just my 2 cents on the matter.

Vale optime,
Crassus

Lentulus Aeterniae omnibusque sal.


that's normal actually. When we did the Poetry Improv some months back

people unsubbed from the Muses list. It's par for the course, so that's

why I did my alternate suggestion. I'd rather see people condense their

inboxes than just walk away you know what I mean?<<<


I can attest what you say, Aeternia. We should not be surprised people unsubscribe because of heavy traffic of mails, it has always been the case.

It can be understood just by a little thinking and counting. The list has currently 600 subscribers, and before the list purge done by P. Memmius Albucius it had over 1500 subscribers. I am very optimistic in my estimation when I say there was never a time when more than 20 people participated in even a very hot discussion, but nornally just 6-8 people debate even on a very important topic (but in most of the cases, even fewer). It could be better, but I think we can agree that this is just normal in all societies: the majority is always silent or uninterested in social debates; which does not mean they are not interested in NR at all. They want to belong, but don't want to play in public. This is true about any real society: very few come to streets or conventions or clubs to demonstrate or discuss public life, even fewer make speeches, and only a microscopical amount partcipates in political life directly.

When these average Nova Romans, from one day to the other, see their inbox full with 100 messages, and can't find their messages from their workplace or family or friends among the flood of NR messages, many of them can not do but unsubscribe, party because most subscribers don't have an idea how to put their subscription into daily digest or read on site format. This, again, does not necessarily mean they don't want connection: many of them will remain on other lists, or read the NR website only, or remain in contact with individual Nova Romans. But why they don't also resign citizenship? Or what kind of connection does the majority of citizens want?

I think we should not chastise these unsubscribers because they are not so deeply into NR decision making that they don't want to receive emails from internal debates. They did not necessary join for becoming a NR leader or decision maker or project activist, but they might have subscribed to learn about recent excavations, new discoveries, local Roman programs, hear about Roman repices, or to find a local NR community with whom they could get together every second Sunday for fun and to live a Roman life. If they don't get it here, but get 100 other messages, no one can blame them for leaving the list. It's entirely OUR fault if we don't offer a service where they can get what they want.

It's often repeated there is the NR Announcements list for such people. Except that the Announcement list is terrible for a person who want to get the non-political but interesting Roman news or NR events related news. Because these two categories of things are most of our citizens want to hear: 1) what are the trending Roman news, 2) what are the programs, events NR offers. Plus you can add interesting discussions about Roman clothes, legions, history, start date of courses etc, which can be included into category 1. But what is Announcements list all about? Edicts. Administrative announcements. Exactly what they do not want.

The best place where an average, non-internal-politically oriented citizen (which is about the 95% of the citizens) can find what he is looking for is the Forum Hospitum, but unfortunately, it's quite silent.

My desire and suggestion to turn the Forum Hospitum into that place where the 95% feel comfortable and get what they want: news about NR, and about all things Roman; info about programs, events, courses; discussions about Romanitas, reconstructionism and reenactment, and a place to ask things about anything. I know praetor C. Aemilius is in agreement with this vision and his team will be able to make Forum Hospitum function like this. Ceterum censeo (i.e. BTW, I think) it should be renamed "Nova-Romanitas" which would express the difference between the list "Nova-Roma" and "Nova-Romanitas". One is strictly internal, the other is more about the New Romanity, everything that belongs to Nova Roma and Roman world, cult and fandom.

















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Aeternia Lentulo S.P.D.

Okay amice (friend masculine) slow down just a bit :-).

Just to clarify my post was not to chastise but a form of prevention.

Valete bene,
Aeternia

Sent from my iPhone

Aeternia Crasso Omnibusque S.P.D.

I am a huge supporter for a message board forum. When I was Curule Aedile I even set one up for the Aedilician Cohors. But the Scribes did not enjoy it too much.

Most prefer to keep to receiving e-mails.

Crasse going message board is a tough sell here.

Perhaps one day it will be an option.

Valete bene,
Aeternia

Sent from my iPhone

Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Cn. Lentulo Omnibusque S.P.D.

Please see my comments below.

Sent from my iPhone

Lentulus Tulliae et Tullio sal.



I was involved into the VOX ROMANA Nova Roman Podcast as well. Indeed Hortensia was the producer and she was very able and diligent in her job. She had that ability to bring people together, get things into motion, and create something tangible. Yes, she was hard to those people whom she disagreed with and her debate style was bad and illogical (not the only person in NR who is terrible when conflicting with); on the other hand Hortensia was one of the most energic, best active citizens we ever had. She put together six editions of the VOX ROMANA, here is the link to our NR podcast's page:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Vox_Romana

And this is the main page of our podcast:

http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/

These are very simple things, don't expect it to be a wonder, but I remember these *were* wonderful things back then! It was the first time when we were able to hear citizens' voices from accross the Ocean, and they talked about Nova Roma. The first podcast was for many people the first tangible thing they experienced from Nova Roma. If for nothing else, I think at least for this Hortensia deserves not to be mocked even now, when she was already punished for her moderation issues by NR court, and she has even went into self exile years ago. All in all, she was good to her friends, bad to her opponents ("οὔτε τῶν φίλων τις αὐτὸν εὖ ποιῶν οὔτε τῶν ἐχθρῶν κακῶς ὑπερεβάλετο"), but at the end, it is Nova Roma that became poorer with an active, dedicated working hand.




I have already said above what I had to say about this matter. One thing to add: she was convicted by a court consisting one person whose integrity I would never doubt and whose decision I accept without hesitation, but with which decision I don't agree. Her crime was "heavy handed" or "unfair" moderation of a mailing list. A formidable and bloody crime comparable only to murder, massacre or North Korean dictatorship. (Irony alert!) I think the judge was mistaken when he made that decision because she as praetor had absolute right to do what she did as her lawyer, very well informed in NR law, pointed it out in his defence speech:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/79066


That said, I have absolutely no reason to defend Hortensia Maior, and I won't say any more on the subject because 1) it was endlessly debated in the past already, 2) it is lethally boring, 3) I hate to remember to back those times, 4) I will not change my view on this no matter who says what because I know what I know. So why on the Earth did I bother myself to write about these things? I don't know, probably I am a masochist, or because my sense of justice just simply does not let me to pass by without comment when people who worked their hearts into NR are referred to as criminals (e.g. Hortensia Maior), or people rejoice when we lose a citizen who contributed to NR more than most of us (e.g. Livia Plauta).

No amount of political differences and conflicts should accumulate to this point.

We ruin our own building.

















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Salve amica,

Well you could say I'm huge supporter to receive the messages by email,
among other things because I can easily access them and reply them on
multiple devices (phone, tablets, computers) and with email the text is
almost always properly formatted to the device it is been used at that time.

But my point is the actual yahoo lists can be used as message board if
the user pretends and the only downside is the diffuse ownership of the
lists but if it would be possible to get a message board that can also
be used as an email list than for me it would be fine too.

Vale optime,
Crassus

Lentulus Aeterniae amicae sal.

I know, amica, I did not say you chastised anyone. I started my post with "I attest what you say" i.e. I reinforce what you say 'cause I agree with your approach.

VALE

--- Gio 7/2/13, Belle Morte Statia <syrenslullaby@...
















 









Aeternia Lentulo S.P.D.



Okay amice (friend masculine) slow down just a bit :-).



Just to clarify my post was not to chastise but a form of prevention.



Valete bene,

Aeternia



Sent from my iPhone

Cornelius Corneliae, Lentulus Aeterniae SPD





From the published senate records:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/79040

(see: Item III; 16 YES, 1 NO, rest of the senators are abstaining) It was only later that they reconsidered and the session, conflicting with senate rules, was declared invalid.

that we should ignore our Ancient Traditions but we should find modern
ways to incorporate them more into our lives. <<<

You can not disagree with me because I have not yet formed an opinion.  I wrote I was just thinking what if this, what if that, is it good, is it bad... so actually, I have standing point in question of poet laureate.

Good sleeping! Dormi bene!
















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C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

Our past has been turbulent, and those of us who lived through it and stayed
still have strong emotional reactions to what happened, and probably strong
views on what happened, and everything and everyone involved. While we
should be aware of our history, since those who are not are doomed to repeat
it, rehashing the past does us no good. Like everyone, I have very strong
opinions about that time and the people involved, but I think that we are
best served not by looking back, but by looking to our future. We, my
friends, have work to do. We can certainly build on past contributions, and
should, but let's not get bogged down by what happened, who did what, and
who was "right" or "wrong". I doubt any opinions will change; I know mine
will not, but they are simply *my* opinions, and my "take" on the situation,
and as such, of value only to me.

Yesterday's discussion was one of the most positive and healthiest things I
have seen in this organization for almost 3 years, so let's build on that,
shall we?

Valete quam optime!
C. Maria Caeca

I agree. Lets flow with the positive momentum. I want to focus on the future.

Tarquitius

Sent from my iPhone

C. Decius Laterensis C. Mariae Caecae omnibusque sal.


I agree completely.  What happened in the past happened, and reliving it won't do anybody any favors.  The best thing we can do is keep our eyes forward, and continue to build on yesterday's discussions.  Nova Romani ite futurum!


Curate, ut valeatis!


(P.S. Yes, I'm aware that that last Latin bit at the end of my message is likely incorrect for one reason or another, and I'm expecting to get called on it.  The sentiment seemed appropriate and worth attempting, even if I still need to actually learn any significant amount of Latin.)



________________________________
From: cmc <c.mariacaeca@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] looking to our future


 
C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.

Our past has been turbulent, and those of us who lived through it and stayed
still have strong emotional reactions to what happened, and probably strong
views on what happened, and everything and everyone involved. While we
should be aware of our history, since those who are not are doomed to repeat
it, rehashing the past does us no good. Like everyone, I have very strong
opinions about that time and the people involved, but I think that we are
best served not by looking back, but by looking to our future. We, my
friends, have work to do. We can certainly build on past contributions, and
should, but let's not get bogged down by what happened, who did what, and
who was "right" or "wrong". I doubt any opinions will change; I know mine
will not, but they are simply *my* opinions, and my "take" on the situation,
and as such, of value only to me.

Yesterday's discussion was one of the most positive and healthiest things I
have seen in this organization for almost 3 years, so let's build on that,
shall we?

Valete quam optime!
C. Maria Caeca




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Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

I've been thinking about this, and it seems to me that we have a small but
active and excellent community of poets, including Aeternia, Scholastica
(yes, she *does* write poetry!), Venator, of course, and a few others. I
would rather see the entire group encouraged and even expanded, and maybe
some of their best work on other than the Muserum than single out 1
individual for special notice.

Valete bene!
C. Maria Caeca

Lentulus Valeriano amico SPD

I think you have the talent, and the hexameter or a distichon is not even that hard,  you just have to start it! For inspiration, a quick distichon just for you:

AD TVLLIVM VALERIANVM

Scríbere versiculós nón difficil(e) est tib(i) amíce,
exercendó té créscit et ingenium.

Vale!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus


--- Gio 7/2/13, Gaius Tullius Valerianus <gaius.tullius.valerianus@...

Ave Dexter,

     I wish I had any talent for Latin verse composition, as I would like
to see that, too! But alas, I can write Latin, read Latin, speak Latin, but
not make Latin verse. Do you? I know you write a lot in Latin!
     Anyway, between Caeca, Aeternia, and Venator, I'm sure we'll see some
(more) English poems on the Romans soon enough!

Cura ut valeas,
~ Valerianus


On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Jean-François Arnoud
<jfarnoud94@...
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Lentulus Mariae sal.

Thank for calling our attention to it, and I say I couldn't agree more, and wish I had said this, should I have not been carried away by the very same strong memories you mention in your letter.

Optimá sís salúte!

--- Gio 7/2/13, cmc <c.mariacaeca@...
















 









C. Maria Caeca omnibus in foro S. P. D.



Our past has been turbulent, and those of us who lived through it and stayed

still have strong emotional reactions to what happened, and probably strong

views on what happened, and everything and everyone involved. While we

should be aware of our history, since those who are not are doomed to repeat

it, rehashing the past does us no good. Like everyone, I have very strong

opinions about that time and the people involved, but I think that we are

best served not by looking back, but by looking to our future. We, my

friends, have work to do. We can certainly build on past contributions, and

should, but let's not get bogged down by what happened, who did what, and

who was "right" or "wrong". I doubt any opinions will change; I know mine

will not, but they are simply *my* opinions, and my "take" on the situation,

and as such, of value only to me.



Yesterday's discussion was one of the most positive and healthiest things I

have seen in this organization for almost 3 years, so let's build on that,

shall we?



Valete quam optime!

C. Maria Caeca



























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Salve Lentule Amice!



OK, you used a phrase with I am unfamiliar! Now, you have to tell me what
you said, so I can use it, too! (wicked grin).



Vale quam optime!

Maria



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Lentulus Caecae Mariae amicae sal.

I wrote: "optima sis salute", or with vowel length marks: "optimá sís salúte" means "be with perfect health" or "in perfectly good condition". "Salus", from which "salute" is a declined form, is hard to translate, it means everything that is good for a human, and it is the source word of greeting "salve" and English "salvation", "salutary", "to salute". The verb "sis" means "be", it's like an imperative, but actually the mood is called subjunctive, I know, I know, everyone's favorite mood. :) I think I don't have to translate optima, and this is optimal for me, because all I need to do now is to sign my letter:

Optimé valé!
Lentulus



--- Gio 7/2/13, cmc <c.mariacaeca@...
















 









Salve Lentule Amice!



OK, you used a phrase with I am unfamiliar! Now, you have to tell me what

you said, so I can use it, too! (wicked grin).



Vale quam optime!



Maria



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Salve Lentule Amice!



RFTL! Actually I recognized salut(e?) having used it enough when drinking
toasts with my Spanish speaking friends (grin). It was Sis that threw me.
Anyway, Gratias tibi ago (thanks much) for the help, and I now have another
neat phrase in my repertoire!



Vale Optime!

Maria, who can't get outlook to do the pretty marks, sigh.



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M. Iulius Scaeva C. Cornelio Lentulo S.P.D.

Seeing as the verb is in the subjunctive; would I be wrong in translating "optima sis salute" as "May you be with perfect health"?

Vale,

M. Iulius Scaeva

Salvete!



After 3 posts, I think the subject deserves its own subject line, LOL!
Since this is in the imperative (I think), although I didn't know that was
possible for subjunctive verbs, I'd probably translate as something like
"Good health to you!" At any rate, it would make an awesome toast when I
raise a glass of ..something or other!



Valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca



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Ave,

Well she was convicted. Hence the logical conclusion that she is a criminal. And found guilty of the charge she faced.

Vale,

Sulla

Sent from my iPhone

Salve Amici,

What historical fiction series detective set in ancient Rome do you
prefer, Gordianus the Finder or Marcus Didius Falco?

I find Steven Saylor's Gordianus the Finder stories better paced of
the two so I give my thumbs up to him. His "Catilina's Riddle" was a
real page turner as well as a fine history lesson on Catilina's conspiracy.

Discuss.



Vale et valete bene.

D. Mento

Ave,

And that post means absolutely nothing. Hate to break it to you. It simply did not matter if there was a universal acclamation of the senate!

Any citizen could have taken the steps that marinus finally had to do and speak to a lawyer to realize his position was illegal.

As dexter called the senate sheep of the consul last year....the same criticism could have been just as easily laid then....given the fact that many of them took to the losing side of the civil war.

Lentulus, you trying to minimize what happened is in one hand admirable but on the other hand exasperating. Given the steps that those of us who remained - those of us who have taken steps to ensure nova Roma does not go through a similar period ever again.

In the end their attempt to loot the treasury and purge nova Roma failed.

Vale,

Sulla


Sent from my iPhone

Ave

I am looking for Metellus has anyone seen or heard from him?

I have sent emails to him with no response and they are in regards to
the election officials so it is important that he respond as soon as
possible.

Thank you! and I now redirect you back to the alive and kicking Nova
Roma Main List. :)

Vale,

Sulla

Salve Mento et Salvete omnes!



Well, I like both, tough I'm far more familiar with Saylor's work. The
Falco series is set in a time period with which I am less familiar, so I
don't relate to those stories in the same way, but they are excellent
mysteries, and I suspect, well researched. I thoroughly enjoy Gordianus and
his extended family, and the portraits of famous late Republican Romans
Saylor paints with his words. Of course, we are seeing those famous men,
and Rome, through is eyes, so these books are not, and should not be taken,
as objective history, but they are satisfying reads!



Oh, wait ..did I waffle and walk the fence on this? Well, yes, but I think
there are enough differences that I can't judge them against one another.
My advice? Read both!



Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca



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Good advice, Amice.

Valerianus Lentulo amico suo S.P.D.

Romans, see nothing that would evoke memory of ridicle regarding the well
deserved honor that Cn. Marinus was awarded a laurel wreath. On the
contrary, it gave a rank to the institution that such a fine and excellent
Nova Roman was the first to be awarded by it for performing examplary
dedication and diligence in all of his offices and public work. It's not by
chance that he was almost unanimously accepted by all senators to the
position of dictator when Nova Roma had to be put on the right track 3
years ago. Now that the event finished in disgrace because the proponents
of dictatorship did not pay attention to Main law (just like when the
senators appointed Vedius as dictator), it does not diminish Cn. Marinus'
contributions to Nova Roma.

I don't want to rekindle old debates about the dictatorship and the "Second
Civil War," but I can only say that I did not know Marinus well. I found
his to be extremely reasonable and fair during that crisis, when I
contacted him privately and discussed the issues facing us. Based on our
conversations at the time, I believe he had no ambitions for the
dictatorship, and no intentions other than what was best for Nova Roma.
When I pointed out the illegality of the processes in motion to make him
dictator, he essentially indicated that if he were appointed, it would be *non
sua sponte *(not by his own will), and he would not accept it if there were
a question of the legality. So I was sorry that things worked out as the
did, and that he left us. I would have liked to have seen the creation of a
set of rules or customs for awarding things like the "wreath" he was given,
but I never liked that it had been awarded to him in the way that it was,
because it seemed to be an extraordinary award *in vacuo - *in a vacuum,
with no tradition or rules or laws or anything governing it. Rather like
the extraordinary commands of Pompeius Magnus in Roma Antiqua. I guess I'm
too plebeian to approve of such things :)


tradition, as it is known today, originates from Renaissance Italy, and
best known because of Petrarca. I know that Nero and Domitian, two
abhorring example of what the Romans called fully anti-Roman characters,
organized games in which poets could compete and laurel crown was given for
the winners. I have also read Theodosius forbade this practice, from which
we can deduce that it was *probably* practiced, perhaps not continuously,
but from time to time. But besides these three data, I have absolutely no
information about this being a Roman practice, and nothing from the
republican era. Do you, or anyone, have more information on that?

I do not have any research prepared on this topic, but it would be
fascinating to explore this. I think you are right that there is little
direct evidence that comes to mind, but rather a lot of circumstantial
evidence that points to it being, as you said, *probably* practiced. But I
shall see what I can find!


poets in the MOST Roman way. We have so many things and customs in NR that
are not very well echoing the Roman spirit, and we already live in a world
which (at least in some countries) awards the title "poet laureate". When
it comes to us, as a Roman reconstructionist society, I think the question
should be not "how to incorporate our today's world institutions in Nova
Roma", but "how to bring back the most authentic Roman traditions". In that
respect, crowning poets and the title "poet laureate" maybe isn't to best
way to recreate Roman ways in our poetical endeavors. Perhaps poets should
be rewarded otherwise. I don't know. Just food for thought.

I appreciate your thoughts on the matter, *amice! *It is always good to
have more food for thought!

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Praefectus of Arizona Australis


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Ave!

I believe it would be rather easy to transmit the messages from Yahoogroups
to a message board. Yahoo manages to do almost exactly that with the
archives. I would imagine it would just take some tweaks of programming to
set it up in a workable manner (I could be very wrong, I just don't think I
am).

However, the flaw seems to be having it work seamlessly the other way.

If Crassus posts a message on message board - or reply to a message that
was posted there from a Yahoo transmittal....how will that message reach
the Yahoogroup so that the readers of the Message forum and the email list
all get to see it?

I hope soon we will have an answer to that, because if we do find a way. I
would support that 100%

Respectfully,

Sulla

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 8:44 AM, C. Aemilius Crassus <
c.aemilius.crassus@...
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Salve,

Um, I saw him last Saturday, but haven't spoken to him since then. I can
try to reach him, since he may just not be reading NR e-mail at the moment,
or something . . .

Vale consul!
~ Valerianus

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...
--
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Praefectus of Arizona Australis


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Salvete omnes,

Thank you for your thoughtful and well-written post, Lentule.

I only occasionally emerge from lurkdom, but am still here and fully
understand the problems of having so many emails. It really can foul the
professional works; my NR mail comes to the same address as dozens of daily
news releases, letters and communications with the newspaper gods, so it can
be troublesome.

But you know what? That's my fault. I should have opened an alternative
email account. I should read NR mail on the site, which I do with other
Yahoogroups. I should get digests.

No excuse. No unsubbing here.

Valete bene,
L. Aemilia Mamerca
_____

From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:28 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Unsubscriptions





Lentulus Aeterniae omnibusque sal.

that's normal actually. When we did the Poetry Improv some months back

people unsubbed from the Muses list. It's par for the course, so that's

why I did my alternate suggestion. I'd rather see people condense their

inboxes than just walk away you know what I mean?<<<

I can attest what you say, Aeternia. We should not be surprised people
unsubscribe because of heavy traffic of mails, it has always been the case.

It can be understood just by a little thinking and counting. The list has
currently 600 subscribers, and before the list purge done by P. Memmius
Albucius it had over 1500 subscribers. I am very optimistic in my estimation
when I say there was never a time when more than 20 people participated in
even a very hot discussion, but nornally just 6-8 people debate even on a
very important topic (but in most of the cases, even fewer). It could be
better, but I think we can agree that this is just normal in all societies:
the majority is always silent or uninterested in social debates; which does
not mean they are not interested in NR at all. They want to belong, but
don't want to play in public. This is true about any real society: very few
come to streets or conventions or clubs to demonstrate or discuss public
life, even fewer make speeches, and only a microscopical amount partcipates
in political life directly.

When these average Nova Romans, from one day to the other, see their inbox
full with 100 messages, and can't find their messages from their workplace
or family or friends among the flood of NR messages, many of them can not do
but unsubscribe, party because most subscribers don't have an idea how to
put their subscription into daily digest or read on site format. This,
again, does not necessarily mean they don't want connection: many of them
will remain on other lists, or read the NR website only, or remain in
contact with individual Nova Romans. But why they don't also resign
citizenship? Or what kind of connection does the majority of citizens want?

I think we should not chastise these unsubscribers because they are not so
deeply into NR decision making that they don't want to receive emails from
internal debates. They did not necessary join for becoming a NR leader or
decision maker or project activist, but they might have subscribed to learn
about recent excavations, new discoveries, local Roman programs, hear about
Roman repices, or to find a local NR community with whom they could get
together every second Sunday for fun and to live a Roman life. If they don't
get it here, but get 100 other messages, no one can blame them for leaving
the list. It's entirely OUR fault if we don't offer a service where they can
get what they want.

It's often repeated there is the NR Announcements list for such people.
Except that the Announcement list is terrible for a person who want to get
the non-political but interesting Roman news or NR events related news.
Because these two categories of things are most of our citizens want to
hear: 1) what are the trending Roman news, 2) what are the programs, events
NR offers. Plus you can add interesting discussions about Roman clothes,
legions, history, start date of courses etc, which can be included into
category 1. But what is Announcements list all about? Edicts. Administrative
announcements. Exactly what they do not want.

The best place where an average, non-internal-politically oriented citizen
(which is about the 95% of the citizens) can find what he is looking for is
the Forum Hospitum, but unfortunately, it's quite silent.

My desire and suggestion to turn the Forum Hospitum into that place where
the 95% feel comfortable and get what they want: news about NR, and about
all things Roman; info about programs, events, courses; discussions about
Romanitas, reconstructionism and reenactment, and a place to ask things
about anything. I know praetor C. Aemilius is in agreement with this vision
and his team will be able to make Forum Hospitum function like this. Ceterum
censeo (i.e. BTW, I think) it should be renamed "Nova-Romanitas" which would
express the difference between the list "Nova-Roma" and "Nova-Romanitas".
One is strictly internal, the other is more about the New Romanity,
everything that belongs to Nova Roma and Roman world, cult and fandom.

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Salve Caeca,

Being a student of Latin, I am always looking to better understand the finer points of grammar.

When we speak of the imperative and the subjunctive are we not speaking of the mood of the verb?

It has always been my understanding that there are 3 distinct moods of the Latin verb; the indicative, the imperative, and the subjunctive;(everybody's favorite!)

Is it possible for a verb like "sis" to be spelled in the the subjunctive form and yet be translated as if it were spelled in the imperative form? Would not the proper spelling be "es" ?

Again, I am just a student and would be most appreciative to anyone who could clarify this particular Latin grammar issue.

Vale,

Scaeva

C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus Gaiae Mariae Caecae S.P.D.

This was well said, amica, and I agree that the momentum of the discussion
is towards our future, not our past, and that is important. However . . .
maybe it's because I am a historian, maybe it is the same impulse that
leads me to be a Roman reconstructionist in the 21st century by looking to
the past to build my future, but . . . I think we need to balance the two.
I agree that rekindling old arguments is unproductive. At the same time, I
don't want to sweep the past under a rug and pretend it didn't happen,
which I feel is all too often the impulse of some of the cooler heads in
NR. That's one reason I spoke out against the proposed *damnatio memoriae *for
Piscinus, when that was being discussed - because as much damage as he did
to NR, I don't ever want to forget what happened. We need our history, or
we have no future. We need both.

I'm not accusing you, dear Caeca, of trying to sweep the past under a rug.
But I'm saying that taking our conciliatory tendencies too far often has
that very effect, whether we intend it or not, and I think there *are *those
in NR who would like to "whitewash" our history. And for that, I shall not
stand.

Cura ut valeas, amica!
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Praefectus of Arizona Australis


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Salve,

You might like Ruth Downie's Gaius Petreius Ruso also. He is a Roman doctor
and part time detective with a Legion in Britain. I'm reading the first
book "Medicus" right now.

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

PS: I also just got (for heavy reading) Stephen Dando-Collins book "Legions
of Rome, The Definitive History of every Imperial Roman Legion"

Ave!

I understand about the sentiment about leaving the past in the past. It is
a nice and noble sentiment. However, much of what Nova Roma is - is
precisely shapped by the past. We could not really divorce it any more
than we can divorce our mission with regard to Romanitas.

What we can and should do is to learn about the past and to not let it rule
us as emotionally as it did when we were going through it. But, we must
learn the lessons of the past in order to not repeat them. Nova Roma has
had a turbulent past and in recognition of that it is our mission to ensure
that the future will not be as turbulent as it once was.

The Steps that Cato and Venator took as consuls to show that 2 individuals
can work together in harmony is also a lesson we can learn from the past.
The steps that Caesar took to ensure the Senate could not be bullied into
ramming a Dictator down the throat of a complacent Senate
The steps of solidifying the website and server back firmly in NR control,
rebuilding the core programs the organization must have in place to be
sufficient (Censor database and Cista)
The Steps of financial accountability.

These lessons cannot be ignored should not be ignored and anyone who has an
interest in serving the Res Publica should be familiar with NR's past both
the noble and wonderful things like the founding of the Sodalitas's the
founding of Nova Roma by Cassius and Vedius, the meetings the face to face
meetings Nova Roma had from Roman Days.....to the meetings that many of us
have throughout the days and weeks where we have a chance to physically
meet other Nova Romans whether it be over a simple meal or a Reenactment
event. But, to get to those wonderful things, it has been a hard road,
but then growth and expansion is hard. From someone who has observed and
served Nova Roma from day 1 - I have seen it all...the good, the bad and
the ugly. Heck, there are times where I was all three in the end all the
experiences make up Nova Roma.

Vale,

Sulla

Ave!

Oh please! That would be great. :)

Vale,

Sulla

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Gaius Tullius Valerianus
<gaius.tullius.valerianus@...

Salve Mamerca!



I'm always happy to see you peeking from the shadows to make a post! I wish
you'd do that more often, (smile). You know, the most helpful email
management trick I ever learned was how to make folders and use message
rules! I use Outlook now (that's a whole other story, LOL!), but the first
thing I did when I started using it was to make handy folders for all my
groups and stuff. Now, each category goes where it belongs, so that I don't
have to sort through my inbox. If I want to read NR mail, I look in the
Rome folder (which contains all my NR lists), or if I want to see what's
happening on my own list, I look in that folder. I have folders for
everything, and can't imagine managing my email any other way! I think you
can do this with most email clients, and it *really* helps to keep me sane!



Vale et valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca



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Something to look for. Gratias tibi ago.



D. Mento

Valerianus Lentulo S.P.D.

Well, we can agree on this, amice! I think we are poorer for not having the
podcast. And I often said that I thought former citizen Maior was an asset
to Nova Roma - I just wish she had stayed out of politics!



I will not forget that she spoke of using he position to drive all
Christians, Jews, atheists, and other "unbelievers" out of Nova Roma, and
called for a war against such "unbelievers." That's just one example. She
wasn't just an "unfair moderator." {sigh} I didn't mean to rekindle this
old debate, but I can't just let this pass without comment. Anyway, she's
gone now. I just liked the podcast idea, and think we should revive it.

most of us (e.g. Livia Plauta).

I shall respond to this point, since I am the guilty party. I did say that
I would rejoice if she left. That is because she has stated, publicly and
on multiple occasions, that her ONLY purpose for remaining in Nova Roma is
to cause as much trouble, strife, and dissent as she can. Someone who is
here only to bring us down? Sorry, I cannot be glad she is here. Yes, she
used to make meaningful contributions. If she still did, I would feel
differently. But right now, she is worse than useless - she is actively
counterproductive. As long as she follows the law, she can say what she
likes and do as she likes, but I would rather that we all work together to
build NR's future, not sabotage it whenever possible.


this point.
We ruin our own building.

Agreed. But that is why I do hold a bit of a grudge against someone whose
stated purpose is to dynamite the foundations we're trying to build.

Vale optime, amice!
Gaius Tullius Valerianus

Augur of Nova Roma
Lictor Curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma
Praefectus of Arizona Australis


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C. Maria Caeca L. Cornelio Sullae Consuli S. P. D.

I in no way dispute what you say, Consul. I have read enough history to
know very well that those who do not learn from their history repeat it,
over and over again, so, yes, we should know and understand what happened,
why it happened, and how to prevent it from happening again. That
information is displayed in all its detail, in the archives of this list,
and I urge all new citizens to read those archives. However, I see no merit
in reliving the emotions and rehashing the issues of that time when we are
beginning to see the fruits of the labor of the last 3 years. Keeping what
came before firmly in mind is one thing. Rehashing it, with all the
emotional baggage and political posturing is quite another.

I do not, and thought I'd made it clear that I do not, wish to ignore any
part of our history, because it *is* a large part of what we are now. I do,
however, wish to see the focus of this community on continuing, with
intelligence and insightfulness, to build our future.

Vale et valete!
C. Maria Caeca

Salve, Prisce!



A new Roman detective series! I will look for this on Amazon, and if I can
get it for my Kindle, I'll take you up on that suggestion!



Vale et valete!

C. Maria Caeca



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Ave!

I understand completely. I think Valerianus said basically the same thing
I did, he just did it more eloquently than I ever could. :) I also just
wanted to point out that the past is not all bad thing. There were good
things that happened too. It is easy to forget that sometimes when the bad
events seem almost overwhelming. But, if that truly was the case then NR
would have never survived for 15 years, isn't it.?

Vale,

Sulla

Salve,

It is on Amazon. The whole series is available. I'm reading it on my Kindle
Fire HD now.

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

Lentulus Scaecae et Caecae!

How many "ae" diphthongs! :)



Luckily, we have a wonderful website where you can find your questions answered! Visit this page:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Conjugation#Subjunctive_Present

A very concise answer as to what is the subjunctive, delicious cake of all Latin students, I can say this: the subjunctive is a combined mood which unites imperative, optative, conditional and indicative moods into one "monster mood". Therefore subjunctice can sometimes be translated as imperative, such as when we say "sis" ("be", or "may you be", "you shall be"). But you can express the same concept by the regular imperative, which is "es" ("be").


the Latin verb; the indicative, the imperative, and the
subjunctive;(everybody's favorite!) Is it possible for a verb like "sis" to be spelled in the the
subjunctive form and yet be translated as if it were spelled in the
imperative form? <<<

Yes, it is possible. Meaning in languages is often a very broad thing

It's not a different spelling but a different mood of the verb "to be". And yes, the imperative proper of "to be" is "es", but "sis" may mean the same, as subjunctive can convey the idea of order and command.

Vale!

--- Gio 7/2/13, marcusiuliuscaeva <marcusiuliusscaeva@...
Da: marcusiuliuscaeva <marcusiuliusscaeva@... Oggetto: Optima sis Salute, was: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: looking to our future
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Giovedì 7 febbraio 2013, 18:57
















 









Salve Caeca,



Being a student of Latin, I am always looking to better understand the finer points of grammar.



When we speak of the imperative and the subjunctive are we not speaking of the mood of the verb?



It has always been my understanding that there are 3 distinct moods of the Latin verb; the indicative, the imperative, and the subjunctive;(everybody's favorite!)



Is it possible for a verb like "sis" to be spelled in the the subjunctive form and yet be translated as if it were spelled in the imperative form? Would not the proper spelling be "es" ?



Again, I am just a student and would be most appreciative to anyone who could clarify this particular Latin grammar issue.



Vale,



Scaeva

Lentulus Aemiliae salutem quam potest plurimam dicit:


What a pleasant surprise, I'm so glad to read you again, Aemilia Mamerca, mulier optima!

I see Maria has already answered you, and I was about to suggest the very same thing. Folders can do miracles!

And yes, flood of emails can become VERY troublesome if someone is not a hardcore NR debater swimming among the waves of messages like fish in the sea... I hope I will not be lynched but I must confess I myslef find it hard to handle when there is a message tsunami, and I prefer low number but well thought out and high quality messages, because of time issues. But I embrace whatever comes, I would not subscribe. I could not! It's my home! :)

Vale!

--- Gio 7/2/13, Lyn Dowling <ldowling@...
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A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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Salvete omnes,



Thank you for your thoughtful and well-written post, Lentule.



I only occasionally emerge from lurkdom, but am still here and fully

understand the problems of having so many emails. It really can foul the

professional works; my NR mail comes to the same address as dozens of daily

news releases, letters and communications with the newspaper gods, so it can

be troublesome.



But you know what? That's my fault. I should have opened an alternative

email account. I should read NR mail on the site, which I do with other

Yahoogroups. I should get digests.



No excuse. No unsubbing here.



Valete bene,

L. Aemilia Mamerca

_____



From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of Cn. Cornelius Lentulus

Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:28 AM

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Nova-Roma] Unsubscriptions



Lentulus Aeterniae omnibusque sal.



that's normal actually. When we did the Poetry Improv some months back



people unsubbed from the Muses list. It's par for the course, so that's



why I did my alternate suggestion. I'd rather see people condense their



inboxes than just walk away you know what I mean?<<<



I can attest what you say, Aeternia. We should not be surprised people

unsubscribe because of heavy traffic of mails, it has always been the case.



It can be understood just by a little thinking and counting. The list has

currently 600 subscribers, and before the list purge done by P. Memmius

Albucius it had over 1500 subscribers. I am very optimistic in my estimation

when I say there was never a time when more than 20 people participated in

even a very hot discussion, but nornally just 6-8 people debate even on a

very important topic (but in most of the cases, even fewer). It could be

better, but I think we can agree that this is just normal in all societies:

the majority is always silent or uninterested in social debates; which does

not mean they are not interested in NR at all. They want to belong, but

don't want to play in public. This is true about any real society: very few

come to streets or conventions or clubs to demonstrate or discuss public

life, even fewer make speeches, and only a microscopical amount partcipates

in political life directly.



When these average Nova Romans, from one day to the other, see their inbox

full with 100 messages, and can't find their messages from their workplace

or family or friends among the flood of NR messages, many of them can not do

but unsubscribe, party because most subscribers don't have an idea how to

put their subscription into daily digest or read on site format. This,

again, does not necessarily mean they don't want connection: many of them

will remain on other lists, or read the NR website only, or remain in

contact with individual Nova Romans. But why they don't also resign

citizenship? Or what kind of connection does the majority of citizens want?



I think we should not chastise these unsubscribers because they are not so

deeply into NR decision making that they don't want to receive emails from

internal debates. They did not necessary join for becoming a NR leader or

decision maker or project activist, but they might have subscribed to learn

about recent excavations, new discoveries, local Roman programs, hear about

Roman repices, or to find a local NR community with whom they could get

together every second Sunday for fun and to live a Roman life. If they don't

get it here, but get 100 other messages, no one can blame them for leaving

the list. It's entirely OUR fault if we don't offer a service where they can

get what they want.



It's often repeated there is the NR Announcements list for such people.

Except that the Announcement list is terrible for a person who want to get

the non-political but interesting Roman news or NR events related news.

Because these two categories of things are most of our citizens want to

hear: 1) what are the trending Roman news, 2) what are the programs, events

NR offers. Plus you can add interesting discussions about Roman clothes,

legions, history, start date of courses etc, which can be included into

category 1. But what is Announcements list all about? Edicts. Administrative

announcements. Exactly what they do not want.



The best place where an average, non-internal-politically oriented citizen

(which is about the 95% of the citizens) can find what he is looking for is

the Forum Hospitum, but unfortunately, it's quite silent.



My desire and suggestion to turn the Forum Hospitum into that place where

the 95% feel comfortable and get what they want: news about NR, and about

all things Roman; info about programs, events, courses; discussions about

Romanitas, reconstructionism and reenactment, and a place to ask things

about anything. I know praetor C. Aemilius is in agreement with this vision

and his team will be able to make Forum Hospitum function like this. Ceterum

censeo (i.e. BTW, I think) it should be renamed "Nova-Romanitas" which would

express the difference between the list "Nova-Roma" and "Nova-Romanitas".

One is strictly internal, the other is more about the New Romanity,

everything that belongs to Nova Roma and Roman world, cult and fandom.



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Avete Omnes,

Last night I was wondering the fastest way we can have a database is
if everyone would compile a list of at least 20 books or items from
amazon that they would like to see added. If we all do this together
and send it to, well I guess myself I can have a listing so that when
we have someone working on Amazon they can start working off the list.

How does that sound?

Vale,

Sulla

Sounds like a plan!

Tarquitius

Sent from my iPhone

Ave!

Great!

My email address is: robert.woolwine@...

Just start sending as many items and links to me as you can. I will keep
track of them and once we are able to - we will get them put up on the
amazon page.

Vale,

Sulla

Scaeva Lentulo sal,

I guess what was confusing me is that, as I was taught from the Wheelock text, the jussive subjunctive is usually used for the 1st or 3rd person and that the imperative form of the verb is more generally used with the 2nd person when expressing a command or exhortation.

I will of course add your learned knowledge to more properly expand my use of the jussive subjunctive and include it in the 2nd person form as well.

Vale,

Scaeva

Ave Consul!



You're going to make me trek through the over 1500 books on my Kindle to
find goodies for your list, aren't you? Oh, well, that will keep me off the
wet streets, out of trouble, and silent. I'll pack a lunch, take plenty of
water and get going, LOL!



Vale bene!

CMC



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Ave,

And, I will be doing the same in the few moments of free time that I have
as well.

I think if we all work together we will have a huge database waiting to be
put up...and it will take it that much faster to go live.

Also what better way to have everyone participate in something that we all
love than to bookshop and have everyone involved at the same time. :) It
is really a win win! :)

Vale,

Sulla

Avete Omnes,

Here is my kindle list. I already had a list made it just does not
have the most recent books I have purchased since the holidays:

Books on Kindle:

The Collected works of St. Augustine – 46 books
The Complete Works of Plato – 26 Dialogues
The Complete Works of Flavius Josephus
The Complete Works of Plutarch
The Consolation of Philosophy – Boethius
Early Israel and the Surrounding Nations
11 Comedies Vol. 1 and 2 – Aristophanies
An Essay Concerning Human Understanding – John Locke
The Complete Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire – Gibbon
History of Ancient Civilization
History of the Wars Vol 1-6 – Procopius
Judaism – Abraham, Israel
Legends of the Jews vol 1-4
The Making of a Nation: The Beginnings of Israel
The New Oxford Dictionary
Palestine or the Holy Land from the Earliest Period to the Present time
Philo-Judaeus of Alexandria
Second Treatise of Government – John Locke
The Secret History – Procopius
The Seven Great Monarchies of the Ancient Eastern Mediterranean –
(1-7) still need to review
Summa Theologica Vol 1 and 2 – Aquinas
Theological Tracates and the Consolation of Philosophy – Boethius
The Complete Works of Aristotle
Satyricon – Petronius
The Complete works of Livy
The Complete works of Plautus
Anthem – Ayn Rand
Art of War – Sun Tzu
Gilgamesh - Babylonian Legends of the Creation
The Complete works of Cassius Dio
Hebrew Heros: A Tale Founded on Jewish History
Leviathan – Thomas Hobbes
Of the Nature of Things – Lucretius Carus
Roman Farm Management: Treatise of Cato and Varro
The Works of Nicolo Machiavelli
The Works of Thomas Paine
The Works of Voltaire
The Complete Works of Plautus
The History of the Peloponnesian War – Thucydides
Uncle Tom’s Cabin – Harriet Beecher Stowe
Democracy in America – Alexis de Tocqueville
The Essential Works of David Hume – David Hume
Memoirs and chronicle of the 4th crusade and conquest of Constantople
– Geoffrey de Villehardouin
The Gallic War – Julius Caesar
The Twelve Caesars – Seutonius
The 7 Plays of Sophocles
The works of Eurpides
The Works of Aeschyles
Hesoid, The Homeric Hymns, and the Homerica – Hesoid
The Meditations – Marcus Aurelius
The Alexiad – Anna Comnena
The Complete Works of Rosseau
On War – Clausewitz
The Iliad and Odyssey – Homer
The Torah
The Tanakh
The Guide to the Perplexed – Moshe Maimonides
11 Classics of Judaism
The Histories – Herodotus
The Works of Hippocrates
Alcatrez a definitive history – Esslinger, Michael
Israel’s Wars – Bergman, Ahron
The Prime Ministers – Yehuda Avner
Jerusalem: A Biography: Montefiore, Simon

I would recommend anybody with an amazon account start a list. You can then share that list more easily with others.

Sent from my iPhone

Salve Consul!

Once this DB is created, we will be able to add to it easily, right?
Because, you know ...we'll always be finding new goodies, and we'll want to
share the wealth!

Vale bene!
CMC

Ave!

I would imagine so, this is why I just suggested it get sent to me or the
ML for the time being so it can be retained in an ever-growing amount until
ready to go live.

For that matter you brought up something else....even if it isn't Roman
related but something that one regularly purchases it should be included as
well. Just as a part of daily life. :) Books, movies, extras are
great..but if it can be as close to full service...so much the better!

Vale,

Sulla

A. Liburnius Hadrianus Caecae Omnibusque in Foro s.p.d.

Actually it can be translated in English also with a subjunctive, of which "be' is the present tense. The most famous example is present in the English anthem "God save the Queen". An imperative would require a comma after "God".  Learned the difference form an English friend.

Optima sitis salute 
ALH




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Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 9:20 AM
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Salvete!

After 3 posts, I think the subject deserves its own subject line, LOL!
Since this is in the imperative (I think), although I didn't know that was
possible for subjunctive verbs, I'd probably translate as something like
"Good health to you!" At any rate, it would make an awesome toast when I
raise a glass of ..something or other!

Valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca

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Salvete!

I think such a DB is a great thing, but mostly for inspirational and
acquisition purposes. I thought I'd read yesterday that if we go to the
Kindle store from our Amazon store link, anything we buy will benefit NR.
Am I under the wrong impression about this?

However, as I said, I think have a book DB, (and I would copy all the book
lists currently in different places in the WIKI to it) is a wonderful
resource, and one I will certainly use!

Valete!
C. Maria Caeca

Avete Omnes,

Over the past day we have had some wonderful ideas. And, it was
because of those ideas that kinda got my mind cooking.....and so I
want to try to express myself in a way that helps.

Nova Roma has had a past where one (a citizen) would only act if they
were holding an office or a position....this is both a positive and a
negative thing.

I say it can be a negative thing because it might impeded progress and
growth. So, while I am Consul of Nova Roma I want anyone who feels
that they have an idea...a concept or a way to improve things to feel
free to take constructive steps to feel empowered to inquire, question
and investigate those ideas that you might have.

Case in point the amazon affiliate program. That is a great idea. It
should be investigated, questioned both on amazon and even internally.
All of this can be done by private citizens who have free time and
the desire to do it. If you have to wait for me or someone else with
a title to do it it could take a long time to do it. So, I want you
to feel comfortable to feel out the ideas you have. Because we all
know that ideas take time to reach implementation. And, if we can
deal with the questions and such before we get to the crux of the
matter regarding implementation it will take less time to implement.

When a plan is actually organized and starting to take shape then
contact me or someone else. Because I do not want anyone to feel
hampered from promoting positive change because they have to rely on
someone else to get something done. If it's your idea...own
it...embrace it and work at it. In this way we all work together.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Ave,

I read that too, but my knowledge of amazon.com's affiliate program is not
sufficient at all. I am sure by the time we are done with this all of our
knowledge will be vastly improved.

I think if we can use both the database and adding the NR designation to
benefit it would be the best for NR but as a long term goal having a full
amazon storefront set up would be both easier and more profitable.

Vale,

Sulla

I am working on the amazon affiliate idea as we speak!

Tarquitius

Sent from my iPhone

Ave!

Awesome! The Perfect Example to my point. :)

Thank you very much!

Vale,

Sulla

Salve Sulla,

Here is my short list of Roman and antiquity themed books:

Some are Kindle books, some are audible books and some are found only in physical form but all can be found at Amazon.

The Allegory of the Cave by Plato
Ancient Rome in So Many Words
The Aeneid by Virgil
Aristotle's Collection
Barrons 501 Latin Verbs
Beginning Latin Poetry Reader by Betts & Franklin
Bulfinch's Mythology
A Cabinet of Roman Curiosities by J.C. McKeown
Cicero's Tusculan Disputations
Claudius the God and His Wife Messalina by Robert Graves
Collins Latin Dictionary & Grammar
The Complete Works of Plato
Cooking and Dining in Imperial Rome by Apicius
De Bello Gallico and Other Commentaries by Julius Caesar
Ethics by Aristotle
Fasti by Ovid
The History of Rome by Livy
The Histories by Herodotus
The Histories of Ancient Rome by Tacitus
History of the Fall and Decline of the Roman Empire by Gibbons
The Illiad by Homer
Latin An Intensive Course by Moreland & Fleischer
Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata Pars 1 Familia Romana by Hans Orberg
Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata Pars 1 A College Companion by Jeanne Marie Neumann
Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata Pars 2 Roma Aeterna by Hans Orberg
The Lives of the Noble Greeks and Romans by Plutarch
The Metamorphoses by Ovid
The Odes by Horace
The Odyssey by Homer
On The Nature of Things by Lucretious
Politics by Aristotle
The Republic by Plato
Rhetoric, Poetics, & Logic by Aristotle
Romulus Founder of Rome by Jacob Abbott
The Satire by Juvenal
Scribblers, Sculptures, and Scribes ( a companion to Wheelock's Latin) by Richard A. LaFleur
Ten Books on Architecture by Vitruvius

Vale,

Scaeva

Salve, et salvete omnes!

Excellent point.  To that end, I'm presently exploring options for setting up a forum in some borrowed web space as a proposal for an official forum.  Assuming I can secure the space, we can play with the software a bit to try addressing as many concerns and issues as possible.  Should it meet with approval, we can then look into migrating it to a permanent location and opening it up for general use.

Curate, ut valeatis!

C. Decius Laterensis



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Salve Lentulus,

I haven't figured out trimming passages via IPhone yet so apologies in advance.


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Salvete omnes!

I have received the following news item on the status of the Temple of Mithras in the city of London.

There has been some growing interest in the future of the temple. It was moved from its original home on the banks of the Walbrook stream to a convenient site nearer to St Paul's cathedral, and that site is in turn being redeveloped. The temple has therefore been boxed up in storage, with some artefacts placed in the nearby Museum of London.

A number of us are following the news and awaiting the day when the temple will be restored and reopened.

Meanwhile here is a news report that summarises the present position. There is no end in sight as yet, but at least we have hope that the temple will be properly restored this time.

http://londonist.com/2013/02/temple-of-mithras-stays-boxed-as-citys-big-dig-continues.php

Valete omnes!
Crispus

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Salve.

The development site has elgg installed and ready for testing if you would like to play around with it.

http://www.nrdev.co/social

Vale bene!

Caninus




--------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] One other thing (web forum)
From: Glenn Thacker <rajuc47@... Date: 2/7/13 11:11 am
To: "NR Main List" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Salve, et salvete omnes!

Excellent point. To that end, I'm presently exploring options for setting up a forum in some borrowed web space as a proposal for an official forum. Assuming I can secure the space, we can play with the software a bit to try addressing as many concerns and issues as possible. Should it meet with approval, we can then look into migrating it to a permanent location and opening it up for general use.

Curate, ut valeatis!

C. Decius Laterensis

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M. Iulius Scaeva A. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D.

Thank you for responding to my post.

I have been studying on my own for a while, time permitting, using both the Wheelock text as well as the Morleand & Flieischer text "Latin: An Intensive Course" as used at King's College in London. I use these two texts in conjunction with the immersion texts "Lingua Latina Pars 1 & 2 by Hans Orberg."

I have been working with the subjunctive in all of these texts and needless to say trying to make sure I have my head wrapped around it.

My confusion with the use of "sis" in a jussive subjunctive phrase as in "Optima sis salute" is that the Wheelock text indicates that the jussive subjunctive is usually found in the 1st and 3rd person and that the 2nd person commands or exhortations generally use the imperative instead.

In my readings also have yet to find the infinitive referred to as a "mood". Both Wheelock and Morelnd & Fleischer refer to the infinitves, participles, supines, and gerunds as verbal nouns with the Moreland & Fleischer text referring to the infinitive specifically as an abstract verbal noun.

I know you to teach from the Wheelock text and Chapter 25, in the 6th edition, is very clear on this aspect of the infinitive, supine, and gerund and does not use the term "mood" but specifically as "verbal nouns". If I am misreading the text please let me where I have gone astray as all of my text strictly refer to only 3 moods of verbs.

I have seen a deal of variation on the treatment of the subjunctive in the various text books I use; more in regards as to how in depth they cover the topic. I value the observations of a learned specialist as yourself in helping me solidify my understanding.

One last point; I understand, from practicing the paradigms and referring to my Baron's 501 Latin Verbs handbook, that "es" is both the present active indicative 2nd person singular of the verb "Sum, esse, fui, futurus" as well as the present active imperative 2nd person of the same. I am correct am I not?

Vale,

M. Iulius Scaeva

Aeternia Lentulo sal.

Now I understand. Sometimes with Internet communication one can misunderstand the "tone".

Vale bene,
Aeternia

Sent from my iPhone

Laterensis Canino omnibusque sal.

I'm not at all familiar with elgg.  I'll take a look at it later, when I'm not using a mobile device.  The software I'm looking at is Simple Machines Forum.  It's a good, flexible piece of software.  I've administered a forum using it before, and it's very easy to use for both the average user as well as the administrator or moderator.  I'm not certain if it'll meet all our needs, which is why I want to set one up for testing.

While I'm here, I also looked over the main page on nrdev.co, and it looks like you set that up for exactly the type of thing I'm wanting to do.  If so, would you mind if I borrowed some space to set up a board for testing SMF?

Curate, ut valeatis!

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Omnibus in foro S. P. D.

I have been thinking since our discussions yesterday, and I am so
non-technical that I would just get in the way of most of our current
initiatives. However, there is one thing I can, and am more than willing to
tackle. I've had my own Blog, and I would be more than happy to set up and
facilitate one for Nova Roma. I can either set it up and turn it over to
one of the Magistrates, (probably the Curule Aedile), or I can edit it and
arrange for some of the material, especially in the very beginning.

I have several ideas, including information on news stories that are
pertinent to our interests, news about happenings in Nova Roma, hopefully,
(with knowledgeable help) regular articles of interest to Cultores,
interviews with our magistrates, and, I hope, articles and posts from
several of our citizens.

I will need to do some research to find a site that has good accessibility
features so that I can handle things, but I hope to have something available
by Monday, unless, of course, I am told my doing so is inappropriate.

Valete Bene!
C. Maria Caeca

I think thy is a great idea. You can set one up on www.wordpress.org for free.

Sent from my iPhone

Salve T. Pauline!



I'll take a look at the site, and see if I can manage it. I have to deal
with some issues that most people don't, but luckily, there are many free
blog sites available, including blogger, which is what I used before. I'm
also going to ask some other visually impaired writers what they use, so
that I can manage it with as little help ..and as smoothly, as is possible.
Thanks, though, I'll start my blog site "shopping" with Wordpress.com.



Vale bene!

C. Maria Caeca



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Salve.

It may not be possible to revive the old Amazon Store (novrom-20) as it appears to have been decommissioned some time ago. But building a new store is easily done. It took me less than a day, including the paperwork, when I set up my store with pages of stuff that might be of interest to Nova Romans. However, the key thing we need for an official Nova Roma state run store is to make sure the ownership is established and maintained in such a manner that if any one individual leaves Nova Roma we do not lose access to the store. Another factor that should be considered is that most Amazon stores are tied to bank accounts; there are other options for payment but that is really the most efficient.

Vale bene!

Caninus



--------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] One other thing
From: Mark Boudreau <mark.boudreau@... Date: 2/7/13 10:43 am
To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
I am working on the amazon affiliate idea as we speak!

Tarquitius

Sent from my iPhone

I agree. It needs to be owned by Nova Roma but run by one person. You don't need to tie the account to a back account as you can set it up that when it reaches the minimum threshold they will issue a check but in the interests of efficiency and transparency any revenue should be deposited into a Nova Roma bank account.

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I apologize. I forgot to sign the last post!

Tarquitius

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M. Iulius Scaeva A. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D.

Gratias tibi valde ago!

As usual you can always be expected to provide those missing nuggets of precious knowledge often left out of textbooks.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who notices that some texts treat some aspects of Latin in one fashion and others in another. I'm also glad when I come to be aware of the varying treatments between texts and become able to recognize and reconcile them.

Thank you for pointing out yet another variance in Latin terminology; it will be well remembered.

Optime Vale!

M. Iulius Scaeva

Salve Canine!



I tried to register for the forum, and cannot. It keeps telling me that my
user name has a disallowed character. I first tried C. Maria Caeca and then
Shoshana Hathaway, with the same results. What am I doing wrong?



Vale bene!

CMC



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C. Decius Laterensis C. Mariae Caecae SPD

Perhaps the software doesn't allow for spaces in the name?  That's about the only thing I can think of.

Cura, ut valeas!



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