CALL TO ORDER � SUMMONING THE COMITIA POPULI TRIBUTA � 31st of May to
15thof June 2013 � 2766 A.U.C.



Avete Omnes,



I call the Comitia Populi Tributa to order. The Formal Meeting of the
Comitia Populi Tributa is now commenced in compliance with the Senatus
Consultum Ultimum passed in Jan 2766 under the Constitution of Nova Roma
(V.E)



My session opening comments will follow, and then I will introduce each
agenda item on separate posts to be posted tomorrow, June 1st.

CALL TO ORDER � SUMMONING THE COMITIA POPULI TRIBUTA � 31st of May to
15thof June 2013 � 2766 A.U.C.

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PRESIDING MAGISTRATE: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, Consul

SCHEDULE:

09:00 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 31-May-2013 : Call to order. Debate period
commences. � Contio Begins

09:00 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 8th-June-2013 : Debate period ends. � Contio Ends

09:01 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 9th- June -2013 : Call to vote. Voting period
commences.

09:01 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 14th- June-2013 : Voting period ends.

11:59 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 15-June-2013 : Call to close issued before this time.

AGENDA:

I. Lex Cornelia de ratione comitiorum populi tributorum

II. Lex Cornelia de vigintisexviris (name pending)


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Resolved, it is the purpose of this lex to establish ongoing, simple and
easily understood procedures to summon the Comitia Populi Tributa. In the
past 3 years Nova Roma has been unable to effectively summon the Comitias
under the existing procedures and thusly required the Senate to pass
Emergency Decrees (SCUs) to resolve this impasse. By promulgating this lex
no further SCU will be needed to summon this Comitia (Comitia Populi
Tributa).

I. All previous laws relating to the Comitia Populi
Tributa (hereinafter referred to as the Comitia) are hereby rescinded as
they apply to the election of magistrates and the promulgation of
legislation by the Comitia.

The Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum populi tributorum (
http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Fabia_de_ratione_comitiorum_populi_tributorum_(Nova_Roma))is
hereby repealed.

II. Calling to Order the Comitia Popili Tributa

a. Either a Consul, Praetor, or Interrex (hereinafter referred to as
presiding magistrate) may, as described by the Constitution call the
Comitia Populi Tributa (hereinafter referred to as �The Comitia�) in order
to hold a vote on the following: A Lex, a series of leges, to hold an
election or to conduct an appropriate legal proceeding.

i. The
Comitia may be summoned by the presiding magistrate by making a public
declaration announcing the summons in the official public fora.

ii. It is
recommended that the presiding magistrate seek auspices with a member of
the College of Augurs or an appropriate alternative.

iii. The
Summons must contain the following information:

Subject heading: Official Summons of the Comitia Populi Tributa

The text of the summons must include:

Candidates, date of citizenship, if they met the Constitutional and legal
requirements of the office they are seeking, and The office they are
seeking.

Full text of leges which are being voted on, Draft version is acceptable at
this point.

The Dates and time when the members of the Comitia shall begin and end the
Contio and the start and end date of the voting period.

Also, the presiding magistrate shall include any additional special
instructions necessary that pertain to the mechanics of the vote.

In the event of a legal proceeding the presiding magistrate will include
all necessary information including but not limited to: Name of the
petitioner, name of the defendant, the charges specified.

iv. The Timing of the Vote.

1. The Official Summons of the Comitia Popui Tributa is identified as
an edictum. A copy of the Official Summons will be posted on the Website
with the corresponding designation.

2. The edictum containing the call to vote must be issued at least 120
hours (5 days) prior to the start of the voting session. This period shall
be known as the Contio and during this time formal discussion of the agenda
(leges and legal proceeding) and/or candidates shall take place.

3. In the event that, in an effort to fill a magisterial office, there
are not enough candidates at the time of the opening of the Contio, the
presiding magistrate may accept additional candidates up to 48 hours
remaining in the Contio. In other words, there are eight vacant offices
for office of Quaestor � at the time the presiding magistrate summons the
Comitia only one candidate has stepped forward � leaving 7 vacancies. 24
hours after the Contio has started other citizen(s) step forward (and has
met the requirements) the presiding magistrate has the discretion to
include those individual(s) in this comitia summons, a new election or a
delay in the existing contio does not need to take place. The acceptance
of late accepting magistrates does not give the presiding magistrate to
disregard any constitutional requirements for office.

4. Final draft of all legislation being voted on must be presented to
the Comitia at least 48 hours prior to the close of the Contio.

5. During the Contio all constitutional powers remain in effect.
Tribunes can issue intercessio, magistrates who share imperium or outrank
in imperium may exercise their constitutionally derived powers.

6. Intercessio may be exercised against the following: The entire
election, vote, one specific item on the agenda, or multiple items on the
agenda. The removal of an item or items is effective for the length of
this comitia summons only. It does not prevent the item from being listed
in a future Comitia summons.

7. In voting for a lex, the minimum contio period must last no fewer
than 120 hours (5 days)

8. In a legal proceeding the minimum contio period must last no fewer
than 192 hours (8 days)

9. The ability to vote during the voting period may be impacted due to
calendar issues as enacted by decreta of the Collegium Pontificum. Any
impact must be announced by the presiding magistrate.

10. Election officials shall tally the vote and deliver the results to
both the presiding magistrate and the Censors (Secretaries of the
Corporation) within 48 hours of the close of voting period. The presiding
magistrate cannot announce the result until the certification process is
fulfilled.

11. The Censors have 24 hours to certify the results given by the election
officials. They have the ability to review all actions taken by the
election officials to ensure accuracy and impartiality. Once the Censors
certify the vote and/or election the Censors or the presiding magistrate
shall announce the result(s) in the appropriate official public fora.
Once completed the presiding magistrate shall bring the Comitia to a
close.

III. Voting Procedures

A. Each citizen will receive a unique voter identification code. This
code shall be used to maintain anonymity in the voting process, and to
minimize the possibility of voter fraud. The voter identification code can
be issued via automatic process by the web based secured form used or by
the 3rd party alternative. If an automated process is impractical, or
non-existent the Censores shall in a timely manner, prior to vote, issue
the voter codes, delivered to the citizens and supply the electoral
officers with the list of valid voter codes within each tribe in a way that
assures the anonymity of the citizens vote. The election officials shall
not have access to the names of the citizens associated with the particular
voter identification codes, nor shall the election officials have access to
the Censor tools or censor database.



B. The election officials, Censors, Web Master, or any authorized or
appointed official shall make available a cista (a secure web-based form �
internal voting platform) or a secured 3rd party alternative (currently
Nova Roma uses votingplace.net) that will allow citizens to vote. It is
highly recommended that a link is posted on the Nova Roma website, and a
link posted in the official public fora before the voting period is open.
The election officials will keep record of the voter identification number
and the desired vote of the individual. The information thus collected
will be either forwarded to the election officials as it is gathered or at
the end of the process, at their discretion. Alternative methods of voting
may be enacted by other legislation as required.



C. In the case of a magisterial election, each voter shall have the
option to mark each candidate �Yes (uti rogas) or leave the candidate
unmarked; each ballot shall carry the following direction: �You may vote
for 1 candidate per office vacancy, please select the magistrate you most
strongly support.� In the case of legislation, for each proposed law, each
voter shall have to option to vote �yes (uti rogas) or �no (antiquo).� In
the case of a legal proceeding each voter shall have the option to vote
�absolvo� (I absolve, innocent) or �condemno� (I condemn, guilty).



D. Once cast, no vote may be altered, even with the correct voter
identification code. Should multiple votes be registered with the same
voter identification code, only the first recorded vote shall be used in
tallying the vote.

IV. Procedures for Counting Votes

A. Votes shall be counted by tribes



B. In the case of magisterial election the votes of each tribe shall be
calculated as follows. For each tribe the candidates shall be ranked in
order by the number of yes votes they receive. The candidate(s) that
receives the most �yes� votes wins the tribe. Ties will be decided by
using the procedure established in "THE BREAKING OF TIES" section of this
lex. If more than one office is vacant the HIGHEST ranked member wins until
all offices are filled. If no one in the tribe votes, the tribe is skipped
and the election officials move to the next tribe.



C. In the case of a vote on a lex (or leges), each tribe shall vote in
favor of the leges if a majority of votes received by members of that tribe
are in favor. If no one in the tribe votes, the tribe is skipped and the
election officials move to the next tribe.



D. In the case of a vote on a legal proceeding before the Comitia
Populi Tributa, each tribe shall vote for conviction if a majority of the
votes received from the members of that tribe are marked �condemno.� Ties
within a tribe will result in that tribe voting to acquit. If no one in
the tribe votes, the tribe is skipped and the election officials move to
the next tribe.



E. The Voting period for the Comitia, shall be no fewer than 168 hours
(7 days). All tribes are allowed to vote at the commencement of the voting
period. The presiding magistrate will notify the Comitia of the opening of
the voting period via the official public fora and a notice will be posted
on the website.



F. Results shall be counted by tribe.



G. In case of magisterial elections the results are calculated as
follows:



a. Each tribe will rank the candidates voting results from highest to
lowest. The candidate that wins the most votes is declared the winner of
that tribe. If there is a tie in deciding who won the tribe, Ties will be
decided by using the procedure established in "THE BREAKING OF TIES"
section of this lex (by resolving the tie between the candidates who are
tied). Depending on the number of vacancies there could be more than one
winner. (If there is more than one vacancy, each tribe should have more
than one winner, those being the highest and second highest vote totals per
tribe, etc etc until all vacancies are filled.) This process will be done
for each tribe that voted. The winner then is determined by which
candidate won the most tribes, until all office vacancies are filled.



H. In the case of lex or leges, a simple majority of tribes casting
votes must vote in favor for the lex to be adopted. In the case of a vote
on the a lex or Leges, a simple majority is defined as one half of the
number of tribes casting votes plus one, fractions being rounded down. If
a Tribe is tied, the tribe will be counted as a No vote, there will be no
tie breaking procedure. A tribe in which no voter cast votes shall not be
counted.



I. In the case of a legal proceeding, a majority of the tribes must
vote in favor of conviction in order for the accused to be condemned. In
the case of a trial before the Comitia Populi Tributa, a "majority" is
defined as "one half of the total number of tribes, plus one, fractions
being rounded down."



a. Even those tribes in which no voters cast votes shall be counted,
as implicit votes for acquittal, toward the total. If a tribe has no
members enrolled the election officials are instructed to remove those
tribes from consideration during the vote counting process � Only tribes
with individuals, enrolled in said tribe may determine the outcome of a
legal proceeding.



J. Votes may be tallied by automated means should the election
officials determine such is preferable to, and at least as accurate as a
manual count.



K. Only the aggregate votes of the tribes shall be delivered to the
presiding magistrate; the votes of individual citizen shall be secret.

THE BREAKING OF TIES

The following are the only three methods to be utilized to determine
the results of ties. The process to be used will be in numerical order �
in other words no choosing. If a victor is not determined by the method #1
- then #2 will be used and then #3 until a winner shall be determined.
This will be utilized for both ties in individual tribes and in the sum
total of the Comitia.

1. In case of tied candidates the tie is resolved giving the highest
position to the candidate who has been a citizen of Nova Roma the longest.

2. If the above tie breaking process does not resolve the tie situation
the winning candidate between the tied candidates will be the one with the
most century points.

3. If the above two tie breaking processes fail to break the tie the result
will be determined by the ages of the tied candidates. The oldest
candidate will be declared the winner of the tie.

Addendum: In the event that Nova Roma implements a Cista voting
platform (internally controlled) and can establish a random tie breaking
program that cannot be tampered with to manipulate the results, (Even the
implication of tampering could damage the credibility of our electoral
process and must
be avoided to the extent of our ability to do so. Nothing must infringe
on the integrity of the election.) Such a tie breaking program would need
to be thoroughly tested and endorsed by the Senate of Nova Roma, prior to
being used by the Comitia. Upon this requirement being satisfied the
election officers may use a lot breaking device with the approval and
consent of the Censors The Censors through the certification process must
be confident that the integrity of the tie breaking procedure is both
beyond the bounds of human manipulation and that the will of the People
through the vote is maintained. The entire electoral process must be, and
be seen to be, entirely credible and transparent. Once completed then the
Certification process may progress as written in this Lex.

In addition, the presiding magistrate has the duty and responsibility to
request a member of the College of Pontifices or appropriate Priest to
conduct a ceremonia, at the start of a vote, to address the State�s need to
utilize a method of tie resolution that does not utilize chance and a more
direct form of divine intervention due to the corruption and tampering of
men.

CERTIFICATION PROCESS

The Censors have the responsibility and powers to investigate any
verifiable concern regarding the vote, within the timeframe.

If the censors need additional time, one or both censors may seek an
extension of time from the presiding magistrate. The presiding magistrate
has the discretion to approve an extension or not. The Censors
certify the election by sending a notification to the presiding magistrate
that they, �Approve and sign off on the Comitia results.�

If the Censors fail to sign off on the certification process they
are required to explain their rationale to the presiding magistrate.
With this notification the presiding magistrate notifies the Senate.
Within 48
hours, the presiding magistrate issues an emergency summons of the
Senate for the sole purpose of addressing this issue and to promulgate a
Senatus Consulta based on the Comitia situation. If the Senate decides to
override the Censors decision the Censors can 1. Certify the election or
2. Refuse to sign. If the Censors choose to refuse to sign, the Senate
certifies the election in place of the Censors. If the Senate determines
that the Censors issues are valid and agree with the Censors the results of
the Comitia are null and void. The Presiding magistrate notifies the
People and closes the Comitia and the Comitia will need to be completely
restarted.


If the Censors fail to respond within the 24 hour timeframe, the Censors
are deemed to have consented and the Comitia results can then be posted by
the presiding magistrate.


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Avete Omnes,

I believe this worked out pretty good last time to have a separate thread
for the discussion.

This as you will notice is essentially the same law that was promulgated
for the Comitia Centuriata.

It has the same procedures for any tribes that result in a tie. It has
built in a way to have a random method of breaking ties in the event that
it meets with the Senate approval.

This has the same certification process, as recommended by the IRS during
the audit built into this Comitia as well.

I hope, that if this passes, the Tribunes will consider passing this
proposal for the Comitia Plebis Tributa. In my opinion the closer the
Comitia Populi and the Comitia Plebis the better and easier for our
election officials.

Most Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul


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C. Petronius Dexter Pontifex Maximus omnibus Quiritibus salutem dicit
plurimam,



Today morning, capite velato, I invoked Iuno Covella by saying the
traditional formula:



« Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella »

« Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella »

« Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella »

« Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella »

« Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella »



I offered incense and saying prayers I asked the Goddess to be favorable
toward us, the Quirites of Nova Roma.

This month the nundinal letter is "F".

The festivals to be celebrated in the month of June shall be:



IVNIVS




1 H Kal. Iun. N
Carnaria

2 A a.d. IV Non.Iun. F Ater

3 B a.d. III Non.Iun. C

4 C Pr Non.Iun. C

5 D Non. Iun. N

6 E a.d. VIII Id.Iun. N Ater

7 F a.d. VII Id.Iun. N Nundina

8 G a.d. VI Id.Iun. N

9 H a.d. V Id.Iun. N
Vestalia

10 A a.d. IV Id.Iun. N

11 B a.d. III Id.Iun. N
Matralia

12 C Pr. Id.Iun. N

13 D Id. Iun. NP
Feriae Iovi

14 E a.d. XVIII Kal.Quint. N Ater

15 F a.d. XVII Kal.Quint. QSDF Nundina

16 G a.d. XVI Kal.Quint. C

17 H a.d. XV Kal.Quint. C

18 A a.d. XIV Kal.Quint. C

19 B a.d. XIII Kal.Quint. C

20 C a.d. XII Kal.Quint. C

21 D a.d. XI Kal.Quint. C

22 E a.d. X Kal.Quint. C

23 F a.d. IX Kal.Quint. C Nundina

24 G a.d. VIII Kal.Quint. C

25 H a.d. VII Kal.Quint. C

26 A a.d. VI Kal.Quint. C

27 B a.d. V Kal.Quint. C

28 C a.d. IV Kal.Quint. C

29 D a.d. III Kal.Quint. F

30 E Pr Kal.Quint. C



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At the end I poured a libation of milk thanking the GoddessÂ’ benevolence.



Optime valete.



--

C. Petronius Dexter

Arcoiali scribebat

Kalendis Iuniis MMDCCLXVI a.V.c.





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Cn. Cornelius Lentulus pontifex, sacerdos
Concordiae: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis, senatui populoque
Novo Romano: salutem plurimam dicit:

Salvete, Quirites!

According to my vow I have just offered the Kalends sacrifice to
Concordia, something that I do in this Sacred Year of Concord on each Kalends for our unity, strength and growth. These days are special to me, if you permit me a personal note, Quirites, as I have just completed 30 of my own years, which resounds and echoes twice the glorious 15 years of our Nova Roma. A little Latin composition to commemorate about this -- honoring the gods by poem compositions is a very traditional thing to do:

Advenit tricesimus ille dies mihi origo:
Tu novum es antiqui principium officii!

Goddess Concordance bless our nation, the Nova Romans, to strive for nothing but for the most genuine and authentic reconbstruction of Roman customs, society, religion and law.

People and
Magistartes of Nova Roma: Pray to Concordia to create unity and growth, to help us to fulfill our final goal.

This has been the Kalends Ritual to Concordia
for our Sacred Year of Concordia, Quindecennalia (15th Anniversary
year):

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SACRIFICIVM CONCORDIAE KALENDIS IVNIIS ANNO XV NOVAE ROMAE CONDITAE

Favete linguis!

(Beginning of the sacrifice.)

1. PRAEFATIO

Dea Concordia,
hisce Kalendis Iuniis anni quinti decimi Novae Romae conditae
te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
novis magistratis, nobis quaestoribus,
Collegio Pontificum,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[Goddess Concordia,
on these Kalends of June of the Fifteenth Anniversary Year of the founding of Nova Roma,
by offering you this incense, I pray good prayers so
that you may be benevolent and
propitious
to the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of the Quirites,
to the College of Pontiffs,
to me, to my household and to my family.]

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

Dea Concordia,
Dea pacis et fortitudinis Senatus Populique Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte lacte inferio esto!"

[Goddess Concordia,
Goddess of peace and strength of the Nova Roman Senate and People of the Quirites,
as by offering you the incense I have well prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason be thou blessed by this sacrificial milk.]

(Libation of milk is made.)

2. PRECATIO

Dea Concordia,
hisce Kalendis Iuniis anni quinti decimi Novae Romae conditae
te precor, veneror, quaesoque obtestorque:
uti pacem concordiamque et iustitiam constantem societati Novae Romae
tribuas;
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
omnibusque discordiis liberes;
utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
atque hoc anno anniversarii quinti decimi Novae Romae conditae convalescat;
atque pax et concordia, salus et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat,
utique omnes qui se Romanos nominant unifices,
unum populum unamque gentem omnes qui se Romanos nominant facias,
unum populum in Nova Roma omnes Romanos hodiernos colligas;
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hoc anno sexto decimo Novae Romae conditae eventus bonos faustosque esse siris;
utique sies volens propitia
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus, quaestoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae
Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
Collegio Pontificum,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[Goddess Concordia,
on these Kalends of June of the Fifteenth Anniversary Year of the founding of Nova Roma,
I pray, worship, ask and beseech you so
that you may grant peace and steadfast concord to the society of Nova Roma;
so that you may confirm, strengthen and help
the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
and save it from all discord;
so that the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites
may always flourish and prosper,
and in this year of the 15th Anniversary may get even stronger;
that peace and concord, the welfare and glory of Nova Roma may increase all the time;
and that you may unite all people who call themselves Roman,
make them who call themselves Roman one people and one nation,
collect together all modern Romans as one
nation united into Nova Roma;
and that you allow all events in this 16th Year of Nova Roma to be good and salutary
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to me, to my household and to my family;
and so that you may be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the magistrates, consuls, the praetors, the quaestors of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the tribunes of the Nova Roman Plebs,
to the Nova Roman Senate,
to the College of Pontiffs,
to all Nova Roman citizens, men and women, boys and girls,
to me, to my household and to my family.]

3. SACRIFICIUM

Sicut verba nuncupavi,
quaeque ita faxis,
uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte,
hoc lacte melle mixto libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitia
et hoc anno anniversarii
quinti decimi Novae Romae conditae et semper
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus, quaestoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
Collegio Pontificum,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

[As I have these words pronounced,
you shall do exactly
what I mean I am saying:
for all these reasons, thou blessedby offering this milk with honey,
by offering this incense
be benevolent and propitious
both in this year of the 15th Anniversary of the founding of Nova Roma and always,
to the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the Republic of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the magistrates, the consuls, the praetors, the quaestors of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
to the tribunes of the Nova Roman
Plebs,
to the Nova Roman Senate,
to the College of Pontiffs,
to all Nova Roman citizens, men and women, boys and girls,
to me, to my household and to my family.]


(Libation of milk with honey is made and incense is
sacrificed.)

Ilicet!

(End of the sacrifice.)

5. PIACULUM

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet,
hoc lacte inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio.

[Concordia of the Nova Roman People of Quirites,
All Gods Immortal by whathever name I may call you:
if anything in this ceremony was displeasing to you,
with this sacrificial milk I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]

(I offered incense on the altar and poured a libation of wine on the altar.)


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Avete Omnes,

I have been given the results of the Comitia Centuriata. A more detailed
report is being prepared - until that is ready, here is the overview of the
results:


For the Lex Cornelia de Ratione Comitiorum Centuriatorum I have 25
centuries in favor and 5 opposed.

The Lex Cornelia de Ratione Comitiorum Centuriatorum passes and is now law.


For the Lex Cornelia de Quaestoribus I have 23 centuries in favor and 7
opposed.

The Lex Cornelia de Quaestoribus passes and is now law in Nova Roma.


I would like to give thanks to my staff who share credit with drafting
these two laws and I would also thank sincerely our election officials who
took the time out of their busy lives to count the votes and ensure that
People of Nova Roma have a voice once again!


Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Consul of Nova Roma


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Omnibus in foro S. P. D.



This is truly a significant day, because we have just confirmed that we are
a Republic, and that it the people who determine what our laws will be, and
how we will govern ourselves. It matters less how you voted concerning
these laws, you voted, and in doing so, you (we) have performed the single
most important responsibility of any Nova Roman citizen. We have now
clearly demonstrated what we are, and what we are not, the will of the
people has been expressed and their mandate has been accepted by our
governing institutions.



I give thanks (and will do so formally, soon) to Vesta Mater for this day,
because, to me, it is an affirmation that her flame lights and protects us
in what we do, and a clear demonstration that she abides with us.



Valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca, Virgo Vestalis in Nova Roma



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Avete Omnes,

Here are the detailed results of the Comitia Centuriata:

Before I begin....yes you read right - 168 actual voters participated in
this!!!!!

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Here are the results for each law by century. 168 voters across 30
centuries participated. There were three ties in two centuries. Tied
centuries were counted as antiquo in accordance with §5.A.2 of the Lex
Fabia de Ratione Comitiorum Centuriatorum.

Lex Cornelia de Ratione Comitiorum Centuriatorum

1 Uti rogas
3 Uti rogas
4 Uti rogas
5 Uti rogas
6 Antiquo
7 Antiquo
8 Uti rogas
9 Antiquo
10 Uti rogas
11 Antiquo
17 Uti rogas
26 Uti rogas
28 Uti rogas
30 Uti rogas
31 Uti rogas
32 Uti rogas
38 Uti rogas
39 Uti rogas
40 Antiquo - Tied
41 Uti rogas
42 Uti rogas
43 Uti rogas
44 Uti rogas
45 Uti rogas
46 Uti rogas
47 Uti rogas
48 Uti rogas
49 Uti rogas
50 Uti rogas
51 Uti rogas

Lex Cornelia de Quaestoribus

1 Uti rogas
3 Antiquo
4 Uti rogas
5 Uti rogas
6 Antiquo
7 Antiquo
8 Uti rogas
9 Antiquo
10 Uti rogas
11 Antiquo
17 Uti rogas
26 Uti rogas
28 Uti rogas
30 Uti rogas
31 Uti rogas
32 Uti rogas
38 Antiquo - Tied
39 Uti rogas
40 Antiquo - Tied
41 Uti rogas
42 Uti rogas
43 Uti rogas
44 Uti rogas
45 Uti rogas
46 Uti rogas
47 Uti rogas
48 Uti rogas
49 Uti rogas
50 Uti rogas
51 Uti rogas

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Introduction - This lex serves the purpose of refining Nova Roma's offices
to better serve the interests of the State. In recent years an
insufficient number of qualified candidates stood for election to these
positions, leaving them vacant.. This lex addresses the need for a more
effective and easier alternative for filling these positions; and to give
the Senate more direct oversight especially concerning the filling of the
electoral magistracies which conduct, count and oversee the elections of
officers in Nova Roma.

This Lex supersedes and repeals all previous leges and Senatus Consulta in
this jurisdictional area. This includes but is not limited to the
following:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Equitia_de_vigintisexviris_(Nova_Roma)

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Galeria_de_editore_commentariorum_(Nova_Roma)

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Apula_de_magistro_araneario_(Nova_Roma)

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Labiena_de_iure_edicendi_vigintisexvirorum_(Nova_Roma)

Effective immediately the positions that were covered under the Lex Equitia
de Vigintisexviris are no longer independent offices that are elected by
the Comitia Populi Tributa; nor are the offices listed in this lex to be
classified as Vigintisexviri positions.

Effective Immediately the Office of the Rogator, whose responsibility was
focused on registering qualified voters, issuing voter codes, and
administering the routine citizenship application process reverts to the
Censores office to be filled at the discretion of the Censors�. This
position, if filled will have the same ranking and distinction as a scribe
appointment with all the same rights, responsibilities and century point
allocations therein. The independent office of Rogator is now extinct.

Effective immediately the offices of Custodes and Diribitors are combined.

A. *A new office is created called Diribitores with three positions
available to be appointed by the Senate by proposal of the presiding
magistrate. A minimum of two individuals must fill this position at all
times.*

B. *The Diribitores will have the duty to count the votes and tie breaking
in the voting processes in the Comitia Centuriata, Comitia Populi Tributa
and Comitia Plebis Tributa � in compliance and in accord with the leges
governing the vote count and ties breading procedures governing each
Comitia.*

C. *The Senate may appoint individuals for suffect (Partial term), full
year terms, or multiple years.*

D. *Since the diribitores are by definition privy to the details of the
election process, they may not run for any elective office while they serve
in office as diribitores.*



Appointment of Diribitors: As Senatorial appointments the presiding
magistrate (ie Consul, praetor or Tribune of the Plebs) may present
individuals to the Senate for consideration. The Senate has the right and
privilege to accept or reject candidates for the Diribitore Position(s).



*In the event of an emergency*: An Emergency is described as having 20
days or less to an upcoming Comitia summons � the Presiding magistrate may
issue an edicta appointing individual(s) pro-tempore to serve as a
diribitore � for one election cycle only. To be specific it means only one
summons of one Comita ONLY (Comitia Centuriata, Comitia Populi Tributa, and
Comitia Plebis Tributa). No individual can be named Pro Tempore Diribitore
for more than one time in a calendar year. However that individual may be
considered by the Senate for a suffect appointment.

Editor commentariorum and *magister aranearius (webmaster) are the two
remaining positions.
*
The editor commentariorum shall be responsible for the production,
publication, and distribution of the official publications sponsored by the
State. The editor commentariorum shall be appointed by a vote of the
senate. The editor commentariorum shall be appointed for suffect (Partial
term), full year terms or multiple years . The standard Senatorial
appointment should be for a minimum of 2 years.

*
The magister aranearius shall be responsible for the design, maintenance,
and any alteration of the official web site(s) sponsored by the State*.* **The
magister aranearius shall solicit input from the other magistrates and
institutions of Nova Roma regarding content for the web site*. The Magister
aranearius may be appointed for suffect (Partial term), full year term or
multiple years. The standard Senatorial appointment should be for a
minimum of 2 years.

The Century points for the positions of the Diribitore, Editor
Commentariorum and Magister Aranearius shall receive the same number of
points as the Office of Quaestor.


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Avete Omnes,

To begin the discussion of this law I would like all of you to briefly take
the time to review the Constitution because there is a clear, a very very
clear constitutional issue with the Vigintisexviris positions.

The constitution states that the positions covered under the
Vigintisexviris positions are to be elected (but it does not state how).

But if you look at the 3 laws that govern the positions identified as
Vigintisexviris - some are appointed by the Senate (thus not elected) and
others are elected by the People in the Comitia Populi. This is very
inconsistent and not only that but given our current situation with vacant
offices does not serve the best interest of the Res Publica.

What NR needs is a system where we can appoint people to serve - as
election officers when there is a void. The Senate is the ideal body that
could quickly appoint bodies into vacancies when some exist. And, in the
case of an emergency (which is now identified in the lex) the presiding
magistrate may appoint individuals to serve as a one time stop gap in order
to carry out the comitia to completion - then the consul should go to the
Senate and fill that vacancy once the Comitia is concluded.

The Rogator position - which originally started as a vote counter position
and somehow evolved into a Censor assistant position completes its
evolution and ceases as an independent office and is folded seamlessly into
the Censores office any duty it was once responsible for now being carried
out by scriba appointment via Censorial Edict - just like the rest of the
Staff of the Censorship.

The Editor and Magister positions revert to how they were originally set up
within Nova Roma, positions approved and filled by the Senate - via
endorsement and proposal by the Presiding magistrate who summons the
Senate.

With the passage of this laws, not only will Nova Roma have a more
responsive means of dealing with vacant positions that must be filled
quickly if the People are to continue having a voice, but this is more
flexible in response in case individuals who are appointed to fill these
positions disappear (which has happened). And, with the passage of this
law Nova Roma will revert back to the state where we do not have
Vigintisexviris positions and we will actually have less positions - thusly
if our citizens run for office they will be able to select offices that
will have a more profound and more meaningful benefit to the State -
instead of working in positions that might or might not have any
substantive work to do over the course of the year.

I respectfully urge the People of Nova Roma to pass this lex and to help
streamline the running of the Res Publica.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul of Nova Roma


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Greetings Consul,
 
If I might offer a suggestion.   For those of you who are intimately familiar with the complexities of the various offices and the responsibilities thereof, your discussion will doubtless be understood.    But for those of us who are new to Nova Roma and/or blissfully ignorant of the lex, an explanation would be most helpful.   Reading the constitution and other relevant documents tends to be confusing to the uninitiated.   A lesson posted intending to educate seems indicated.   
 
Always respectfully yours,
 
Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
            


________________________________
From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 1:35 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Lex Cornelia de vigintisexviris - Discussion


 

Avete Omnes,

To begin the discussion of this law I would like all of you to briefly take
the time to review the Constitution because there is a clear, a very very
clear constitutional issue with the Vigintisexviris positions.

The constitution states that the positions covered under the
Vigintisexviris positions are to be elected (but it does not state how).

But if you look at the 3 laws that govern the positions identified as
Vigintisexviris - some are appointed by the Senate (thus not elected) and
others are elected by the People in the Comitia Populi. This is very
inconsistent and not only that but given our current situation with vacant
offices does not serve the best interest of the Res Publica.

What NR needs is a system where we can appoint people to serve - as
election officers when there is a void. The Senate is the ideal body that
could quickly appoint bodies into vacancies when some exist. And, in the
case of an emergency (which is now identified in the lex) the presiding
magistrate may appoint individuals to serve as a one time stop gap in order
to carry out the comitia to completion - then the consul should go to the
Senate and fill that vacancy once the Comitia is concluded.

The Rogator position - which originally started as a vote counter position
and somehow evolved into a Censor assistant position completes its
evolution and ceases as an independent office and is folded seamlessly into
the Censores office any duty it was once responsible for now being carried
out by scriba appointment via Censorial Edict - just like the rest of the
Staff of the Censorship.

The Editor and Magister positions revert to how they were originally set up
within Nova Roma, positions approved and filled by the Senate - via
endorsement and proposal by the Presiding magistrate who summons the
Senate.

With the passage of this laws, not only will Nova Roma have a more
responsive means of dealing with vacant positions that must be filled
quickly if the People are to continue having a voice, but this is more
flexible in response in case individuals who are appointed to fill these
positions disappear (which has happened). And, with the passage of this
law Nova Roma will revert back to the state where we do not have
Vigintisexviris positions and we will actually have less positions - thusly
if our citizens run for office they will be able to select offices that
will have a more profound and more meaningful benefit to the State -
instead of working in positions that might or might not have any
substantive work to do over the course of the year.

I respectfully urge the People of Nova Roma to pass this lex and to help
streamline the running of the Res Publica.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul of Nova Roma

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Ave,

The laws that have been passed to date have been very confusing and very
conflicted in personality.

Currently the following positions are considered part of the Vigintisexviri:
Rogators, Dribitores, Custodes, Editor Commentariorum and the Magister
Araenarius. This consists of a total of 9 separate positions. My proposal
shrinks the positions to a maximum of: 5 positions. But there is a bigger
and worse issue that I am addressing than just the number of positions
(generally unfilled positions, mind you) but a serious constitutional issue:

Let's start with what the Constitution states (IV.A.8): *8*. *
Vigintisexviri* (The Twenty-Six). Collectively, the Twenty-Six shall be
minor magistrates elected to fulfill those necessary functions as shall be
assigned to them by law enacted by one of the *comitia*.

The Lex Equitia states that the Editor commentariorum Rogators, Dribitores
and Custodes are all classified as Vigintisexviri As such they should be
elected????

But subsequently the Lex Galeria passed the People
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Galeria_de_editore_commentariorum_(Nova_Roma)
which states: The editor commentariorum shall be appointed by a vote of
the senate on the nomination of a consul. - Which creates a constitutional
conflict when the Constitution states clearly the minor magistrates must be
elected. This position has to my knowledge never been voted on by the
People.

The very same conflict exists with the Magster which with the passage of
this Lex Apula -
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Apula_de_magistro_araneario_(Nova_Roma) states:
The *Senatus* will appoint the *Magister Aranearius* in *Consultum* following
a review of his *curriculum vitae* and technical skills. The duration of
the appointment is to discretion of the *Senatus*. And with the passage of
this Lex it directly tied the Magister Araneaius position to the Lex
Equitia (Secion VII.

We have two laws that passed the People which violated the Constitution.

What I am proposing is to turn the clock back. Repeal all the laws that
conflict with the Constitution (they should have never been presented let
alone passed) and go back to an earlier period of Nova Roman history where
the Presiding magistrate along with the approval of the Senate can fill the
needs of the state by hiring individuals and having a more direct oversight
over our elections and votes. Which is one of the most important parts of
Nova Roman life.

I hope I have answered your questions, please let me know if you have any
additional questions or concerns.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul

Ave Consul,
 
As you intimate, instead of resolving issues, the various new laws have made a complicated situation nigh intolerable.    Frankly I am not sure what to suggest.   But as an attorney, forgive me if I try.    My suggestion is two-fold and expansive.    First, review the Constitution to determine whether any basic changes in the organizational structure need be made.    If the answer is in the affirmative, then initiate such procedures as are requisite to implement such changes.   This should be kept to the minimum possible.
 
Second, (1) determine what laws are necessary for the efficacious operation of Nova Roma.    By this I mean develop a complete set of laws to replace all existing laws commensurate with the Constitution (as revised, if necessary).    Then (2) revoke all existing laws.      And finally (3) replace the existing laws with the new set of laws.
 
I realize that this is indeed a radical proposal.   But short of this total revampment, the piecemeal changes to date will  continue to result in the continued chaos. 
 
My background as a corporate attorney with experience in non-profit organizations is proffered gratis to you and Nova Roma.    If I can be of assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me.  
 
Vale optime,
 
Petrus Augustinus       
 


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From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Lex Cornelia de vigintisexviris - Discussion


Ave,

The laws that have been passed to date have been very confusing and very
conflicted in personality.

Currently the following positions are considered part of the Vigintisexviri:
Rogators, Dribitores, Custodes, Editor Commentariorum and the Magister
Araenarius.  This consists of a total of 9 separate positions.  My proposal
shrinks the positions to a maximum of: 5 positions.  But there is a bigger
and worse issue that I am addressing than just the number of positions
(generally unfilled positions, mind you) but a serious constitutional issue:

Let's start with what the Constitution states (IV.A.8):  *8*. *
Vigintisexviri* (The Twenty-Six). Collectively, the Twenty-Six shall be
minor magistrates elected to fulfill those necessary functions as shall be
assigned to them by law enacted by one of the *comitia*.

The Lex Equitia states that the Editor commentariorum  Rogators, Dribitores
and Custodes are all classified as Vigintisexviri  As such they should be
elected????

But subsequently the Lex Galeria passed the People
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Galeria_de_editore_commentariorum_(Nova_Roma)
which states:  The editor commentariorum shall be appointed by a vote of
the senate on the nomination of a consul. - Which creates a constitutional
conflict when the Constitution states clearly the minor magistrates must be
elected.  This position has to my knowledge never been voted on by the
People.

The very same conflict exists with the Magster which with the passage of
this Lex Apula -
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Apula_de_magistro_araneario_(Nova_Roma) states:
The *Senatus* will appoint the *Magister Aranearius* in *Consultum* following
a review of his *curriculum vitae* and technical skills. The duration of
the appointment is to discretion of the *Senatus*.  And with the passage of
this Lex it directly tied the Magister Araneaius position to the Lex
Equitia (Secion VII.

We have two laws that passed the People which violated the Constitution.

What I am proposing is to turn the clock back.  Repeal all the laws that
conflict with the Constitution (they should have never been presented let
alone passed) and go back to an earlier period of Nova Roman history where
the Presiding magistrate along with the approval of the Senate can fill the
needs of the state by hiring individuals and having a more direct oversight
over our elections and votes.  Which is one of the most important parts of
Nova Roman life.

I hope I have answered your questions, please let me know if you have any
additional questions or concerns.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul

Ave,

I understand what you are saying, and we are doing that. 1 issue at a time.

First, was the Comitia Centuriata to get them up and running.
Then to give the presiding magistrates the ability to fill vacant and
necessary offices with Quaestors as needed.
Now, its to the third issue - getting the Comitia Populi Tributa up and
running
And also now, dealing with a clear constitutional issue regarding the
Vigintisexviri by doing exactly what you suggestion. Start with a blank
slate. And replacing the 4 laws that currently exist with this 1 flexible
law that removes the Vigintisexviri status from these minor magistrate
positions and gives the Senate back the power and authority as the Supreme
Policy making body to appoint individuals to these positions, most
importantly to the electoral officials.

I do not understand how you think this is a piecemail dealing with the
situation. I have done exactly what you just suggested. Creating a blank
slate and started over. With the passage of this lex - there will be no
more, Vigintisexviri

Unless what you are suggesting is taking all of our laws and discarding
them and starting over from scratch? Is that what you are suggesting?

Respectfully,

Sulla

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Ave Schoastica,

Schoastica, did you really mean this when you said the following:

As presently constituted, the Senate would vote for Incitatus as
request
made
Or are you trying to make a funny?

If you are trying to make a funny, you posted on the wrong list, you should
have sent this post to the Back alley where we all have a sense of humor.

Vale,

Sulla


On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 7:04 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica
<fororom@...
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C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

Caeca, you make a good point.  I'd like to add one thing, though.  While doing my part in tallying the votes as Diribitor, I was stuck by how much weight a taxpayers vote carries compared to a non-taxpayer.  As I'm sure everyone's aware, the populace of Nova Roma is divided into 51 centuries for voting purposes.  Non-taxpayers are all grouped into Century LI while taxpayers are divided into the other 50 centuries.  Since votes are counted by Century rather than individually, it can make quite a difference.  The Tribes work in a similar manner.

It's one thing to hear that paying taxes gives more weight to your vote and quite another to see it in action. If you want to increase the power of your voice in Nova Roma, the easiest way to do it is to join the ranks of the taxpayers.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

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Salve!



Yes, indeed! Increasing the weight of one's vote is one of the most obvious
benefits of being an assidui ..I believe there are other, less tangible but
important benefits, as well. But I do encourage all non tax paying citizens
to become tax payers!



Vale quam optime!

C. Maria Caeca



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Salve, Sulla.

Only pointing out that at present, whatever Lola wants, Lola gets--in
the Senate and elsewhere in NR,. We do not have a two-party system. You
(or your friends) wave your magic wand(s), and the Senatus Populusque follow
like a flock of wethers. These laws have good points, but this one in
particular has a very bad one.

One may use humor to point things out...I would hope that you do not
think that the moon is anything but rocky, or that the earth is flat--but
one never knows. I suspect that there are some folks down South who come
mighty close to those positions.
I have a VERY good sense of humor. Why else would I be in NR? Why else
would I teach Latin? Latin suffers mightily in the attempts to learn it.
Vale,

ATS

Ave,

I guess you must have absolute disdain for the People of Nova Roma as well
since they voted overwhelmingly in the very same Lex that the Senate passed
in January (Remember you voted for that too by the way)? Since you should
be consistent...and you think the Senate will do everything that Lola want
Lola gets....and Lola presented the Quaestor SCU to the Comitia Centuriata
resulting in it being passed by overwhelming margin. So it stands to
reason, as a matter of consistency, that the People would, as you put it,
elect suffect candidate Incitatus to the Consulship as well?

Scholastica, sometimes you don't just put your feet in your mouth...you put
both feet, legs and your arms. But, please continue! Pretty please!

Vale,

Sulla


On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:58 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...
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C. Petronius L. Sullae salutem,
 
I think that you are trespassing the line with the lady. I know that we cannot wait for polite debates or respectfull discussions with you because of your behaviour, but I wait for the praetor to make policy and put you in moderation. I think that your "back alley sense of humour", absolutely not sense of humour but rather sarcasms and irony against a lady, is not acceptable in the Forum Novum Romanum.
Ok you want to be as a street guys, you believe that your street language is a sense of humour, but in fact it is actually boring.
 
Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. IV Nonas Iunias MMDCCLXVI aVc 

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Objet : Re: [Nova-Roma] Lex Cornelia de vigintisexviris - Discussion


 

Ave,

I guess you must have absolute disdain for the People of Nova Roma as well
since they voted overwhelmingly in the very same Lex that the Senate passed
in January (Remember you voted for that too by the way)? Since you should
be consistent...and you think the Senate will do everything that Lola want
Lola gets....and Lola presented the Quaestor SCU to the Comitia Centuriata
resulting in it being passed by overwhelming margin. So it stands to
reason, as a matter of consistency, that the People would, as you put it,
elect suffect candidate Incitatus to the Consulship as well?

Scholastica, sometimes you don't just put your feet in your mouth...you put
both feet, legs and your arms. But, please continue! Pretty please!

Vale,

Sulla

On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:58 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <mailto:fororom%40localnet.com
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Ave Dexter,

Really? Dexter, maybe the language barrier seems to be more difficult to
overcome?

Let me rephrase: I want Scholastica to speak more! I even said pretty
please! The more she speaks, I believe the more she actually aids my
agenda.

My back alley humor is posted appropriately enough on the Back Alley, not
on the ML. But thank you for checking to confirm.

Respectfully,

Sulla

Ave Sulla Consul;

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Robert Woolwine
<robert.woolwine@...
Gratias tibi ago.


--
Vale et valete
P Ullerius Stephanus Venator Piperbarbus Poetus


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Ave Sulla,
 
I respect your efforts and defer to your judgment.   However, I am precisely suggesting that you: (1) draft a completely new, revised set of laws; (2) nullify all existing laws; and (3), adopt the new set of laws to replace the old.    While this may seem radical, it actually is not.   It would provide a simple, straight forward method of revising the current situation.   Recall Alexander and the Gordian knot. 
 
Vale,
 
Petrus Augustinus   


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From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Lex Cornelia de vigintisexviris - Discussion


Ave,

I understand what you are saying, and we are doing that.  1 issue at a time.

First, was the Comitia Centuriata to get them up and running.
Then to give the presiding magistrates the ability to fill vacant and
necessary offices with Quaestors as needed.
Now, its to the third issue - getting the Comitia Populi Tributa up and
running
And also now, dealing with a clear constitutional issue regarding the
Vigintisexviri by doing exactly what you suggestion.  Start with a blank
slate.  And replacing the 4 laws that currently exist with this 1 flexible
law that removes the Vigintisexviri status from these minor magistrate
positions and gives the Senate back the power and authority as the Supreme
Policy making body to appoint individuals to these positions, most
importantly to the electoral officials.

I do not understand how you think this is a piecemail dealing with the
situation.  I have done exactly what you just suggested.  Creating a blank
slate and started over.  With the passage of this lex - there will be no
more, Vigintisexviri

Unless what you are suggesting is taking all of our laws and discarding
them and starting over from scratch?  Is that what you are suggesting?

Respectfully,

Sulla

Ave Petrus Augustinus et Omnes,

Thank you for your response.

I can certainly understand where you are coming from with those
suggestions. But, unfortunately taking the Samurai Sword approach and
slicing away all the laws that don't necessarily work is not an option. As
much as I do not want to remove options from being considered..

I hope you will give me a chance to explain this reasoning.

To be blunt, I am not a Rex. Nor am I a dictator (despite the rumors). I
am the Consul of Nova Roma. As such I have taken an Oath of office to
uphold not just Nova Roma but the laws passed. This creates a relationship
that in one in my position has a duty of care and a responsibility to fix
the ship of state . Doing the suggestion you recommend I suggest is
unfeasible and would be by application the actions of a Tyrant or worse a
Rex. Being a Republic necessitates incremental movement in an effort to
not only implement policy but to implement change. If I was to do as you
suggested not only would it create a void that needed to be filled and
filled quickly but there is no guarantee that the future laws that fill
that void will be done in a positive way nor will there be any guarantee
that they will be better laws than the one they are replacing. In this
matter I believe the pace I am dealing with issues, which I would imagine
some would say is haste as it is (but then I have always been me in this
regard) are going in an excellent rhythm that gets in healthy doses my own
thoughts and opinions as well as a healthy dose of input from my staff,
that I rely one for their experience and input, and for the trifecta the
recommendations of the People of Nova Roma. This trifecta of input I
believe turns out the best series of laws possible and at the same time
moves Nova Roma forward.

There is a saying I was told continually when I was younger, more
headstrong and more change driven and at the time I chaffed whenever I was
told it, the saying was from Augustus "Make Haste Slowly." Now that I am
older, I understand that meaning and take it to heart. I used to hear that
saying from Cassius, Cincinnatus and Audens repeatedly when I was younger
and I acted before I thought.

With all due respect and sincerity, what you suggest is not Roman, not
Republican, nor is it Nova Roman. I hope, that you would take the time, I
know you are limited in time with reeancting and busy personal life, but I
do hope you take at least 30 min a day and reach the archives. You are a
brand new citizen of Nova Roma and you have a unique take on Nova Roma
because you are new. You were not here for the Civil Wars and the fights
that nearly ripped the organization apart. I would like to respectfully
ask that you start around 2007 and take month by month reivew of the
archive and write up your thoughts. If you start there you will see the
growing conflict. You will see Nova Roma at her very best and worst. You
will gain a more thorough understanding of the runnings of our organization
than many citizens who have been in the organization longer than you.
Doing this will not only help the organization by giving you a healthy
grounding and historical context but it will also show you some of the
birthing pains the organization has gone through to reach this point.
Because, it did not take a day for Nova Roma to get to this point and it
will not take a day for Her to climb out. However, always keep in mind
that Nova Roma is climbing back - that much is crystal clear.

Most Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul of Nova Roma

Caesar Dextro sal.

Obviously you felt no such qualms when you were quite foully decimating Aeternia's character and abilities in this forum and elsewhere during the elections of 2011 and at intermittent points throughout 2012. I suppose it depends on whether the "lady" is more to your "political" tastes. An "enemy of my enemy is my friend" sort of concept? 

Since your sense of humour is at best as warped as everyone else's (those parts of it we can understand) I really don't think you have cause to complain about the below missive from Sulla, which was pretty tame.

As for boring, you define boring Dexter. One suspects at your current rate of spewing cant and hypocrisy that eventually we will be able to open the OED and find your name included in the definition.

Optime vale 


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From: Jean-François Arnoud <jfarnoud94@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Lex Cornelia de vigintisexviris - Discussion



 
C. Petronius L. Sullae salutem,
 
I think that you are trespassing the line with the lady. I know that we cannot wait for polite debates or respectfull discussions with you because of your behaviour, but I wait for the praetor to make policy and put you in moderation. I think that your "back alley sense of humour", absolutely not sense of humour but rather sarcasms and irony against a lady, is not acceptable in the Forum Novum Romanum.
Ok you want to be as a street guys, you believe that your street language is a sense of humour, but in fact it is actually boring.
 
Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
a. d. IV Nonas Iunias MMDCCLXVI aVc 

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De : Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... À : "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Envoyé le : Dimanche 2 juin 2013 9h11
Objet : Re: [Nova-Roma] Lex Cornelia de vigintisexviris - Discussion


 

Ave,

I guess you must have absolute disdain for the People of Nova Roma as well
since they voted overwhelmingly in the very same Lex that the Senate passed


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Caesar Scholasticae sal.

"You (or your friends) wave your magic wand(s), and the Senatus Populusque follow like a flock of wethers."

The results of the recent voting on the leges might not be to your liking, but adopting Dexter's abusive dismissal of the Senate as a toy senate and senators as puppets and slaves (when last year they voted for my measures) in your assessment of the rights of the people to vote in favour of these leges is hardly wise is it? Ever since 2010 you have claimed that the people were denied the chance to vote on issues. Now they have it and have spoken, because you don't like the result the once hallowed people are now a "flock of whethers". Hypocritical cant on your part Scholastica. It seems Dexter has a companion in the nursery sandpit, sitting glowering in the corner that the people didn't do as you both wanted and break the new toys. Get a grip.

Oh, have you apologized to the Senate yet for your abusive behaviour last year to that new citizen, for which you were subject to a senatorial reprimand in the form of a senatus consultum? 

Optime vale
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From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Lex Cornelia de vigintisexviris - Discussion




Salve, Sulla.

Only pointing out that at present, whatever Lola wants, Lola gets--in
the Senate and elsewhere in NR,.  We do not have a two-party system.  You
(or your friends) wave your magic wand(s), and the Senatus Populusque follow
like a flock of wethers.  These laws have good points, but this one in
particular has a very bad one.

One may use humor to point things out...I would hope that you do not
think that the moon is anything but rocky, or that the earth is flat--but
one never knows.  I suspect that there are some folks down South who come
mighty close to those positions.
I have a VERY good sense of humor.  Why else would I be in NR?  Why else
would I teach Latin?  Latin suffers mightily in the attempts to learn it.
Vale,

ATS

C. Decius Laterensis omnibus S.P.D.

Augustinus, I'm afraid I can't agree that it's either necessary or desirable to completely throw out all existing laws in favor of a clean slate.  Sometimes changes are needed here and there because something isn't working as it should or because the conditions that previously existed no longer apply.  In those cases, we make changes where needed but don't toss all of it away for simple convenience.  It may not be neat and tidy, but, as Scholastica and Sulla both pointed out, it's very Roman.

Now, to address the issue at hand.  Sulla, I agree with streamlining some of the election posts for the sake of simplicity. That said, I also think that Scholastica raises some good points as well.  The post of Diribitor is traditionally a stepping stone toward the cursus honorum.  Making it a strictly Senate-appointed post would sever that link.  Now, I recognize that it's been hard in the last few years to find people willing to stand for election to those offices, but I don't think that the answer is to take it out of the voters hands altogether.

What I would suggest is to combine the offices of Custos and Diribitor like you've planned, but to leave the three Diribitor posts as elected offices.  I would keep the Senatorial appointment as a backup plan in case nobody runs for the office, that way we don't have to resort to an SCU to fill it should we continue to suffer from a lack of candidates.

Di vos incolumes custodiant!

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Ave Laterensis,

I want to respond to the section you addressed to me:

"Now, to address the issue at hand. Sulla, I agree with streamlining some
of the election posts for the sake of simplicity. That said, I also think
that Scholastica raises some good points as well. The post of Diribitor is
traditionally a stepping stone toward the cursus honorum. Making it a
strictly Senate-appointed post would sever that link. Now, I recognize
that it's been hard in the last few years to find people willing to stand
for election to those offices, but I don't think that the answer is to take
it out of the voters hands altogether."

Thank you for opening up this segway, and I hope no one minds me using this
as a teachable moment for our citizens.

First some websites to aid in this discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursus_honorum
http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/cursus.jpg - Very good diagram of what this
path looks like
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/officials/p/122810-Cursus-Honorum.htm

The Cursus Honorum means the Path of our Honor or Course of Honors
depending on translation. It is the path that citizens use to climb the
offices to reach the pinnacle office of the Consulship.

In the broadest sense of the word every single office in Nova Roma is a
stepping stone to future and more important office. This is important to
realize. No job is of an end to itself. Being a scribe is a possible
stepping stone to being Quaestor, being Quaestor is a stepping stone to
either being a Aedile, Tribune of the Plebis or Praetor. Being Praetor is
a stepping stone to being Consul. Each position should, lead to each
ciitizen climbing the Cursus Honorum. I hope every citizen who has an
interest in service to Nova Roma climbs the Crusus Honorum (I was the first
person in Nova Roma to complete the Crusus Honorum) and there should be
many more citizens who walk this path.

But to consider a diribitor as a part of the Cursus Honorum is strictly
speaking incorrect. Quaestor positions are the traditional beginning of
the path.

Being a scribe, being a Diribitore, appatoroie, a lictor or any other minor
position that is not apart of the Cursus Honorum does not take away from
the importance of those positions! This should be clear to all citizens.
Especially to those of us who have held these positions in the past. In
many ways they are just as vital in importance given their own
responsibilities. The issue that stands before the people in the upcoming
vote is more of a procedural question - taking away positions that are at
presnt independent with no means of oversight. I intend to correct that.
If the People vote for Diribitores it is nigh impossible for the People to
fire said individual if the need arises. Also, if the People vote for a
Dribitore and said Dribitor disappears and is never heard from again, that
too would be very difficult to replace and fill that slot. It stands to
reason that the Senate can met these needs far faster than a vote by the
People.

By giving the Senate back the authority to hire the Senate can oversee and
ensure that the election official is doing their job competently. The
Senate can more quickly place bodies in that position and remove them if
need be.

This does not take away any opportunity for citizens to serve. As a matter
of fact this actually increases the opportunity for people who want to
serve the Res Publica and makes my case, If new citizens want to volunteer
their time and effort to NR what better way to do so by being appointed by
the Senate of Nova Roma to a position of trust and responsibility as
Dribitor? To be able to state that under Senatorial oversight that they
completed their time in office with honor? I believe that would be an
excellent way for a citizen to climb from the Diribitor or other minor
magistrate position into the Crusus Honorum by becoming a Quaestor.

Respectfully,

Sulla

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Caesar Scholasticae sal.

Your quote: "They also do not understand such difficult concepts as being a lady. Not all women are ladies..."

A slap at Aeternia and laying claim to being a lady yourself no doubt, as you have on previous occasions. Both the slapping and the claim.

I remind you of what Margret Thatcher once said: 

"Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't."

Something for you to ponder on.

Optime vale 



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From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@... To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Lex Cornelia de vigintisexviris - Discussion




Valeas!

Ave Sulla,
 
As always, I defer to you with respect.   However, I did not suggest nor intend that you act independently.   Indeed to do so would bring ill-will upon you from me and countless others.   The action I suggest would of necessity require that the Senate and other appropriate officials and councils be fully involved, as well as the Assidui.    Au contraire, Mon Ami, no Samurai swords are included in my suggestion.   It was merely an outline of a lengthy, thought provoking procedure.  I made no specific suggestions as to what changes in either the Constitution or lex should be considered.   Finally, I must take issue with your statement that what I suggest is "not Roman, not Republican, nor ... Nova Roman."    With respect, you are simply and totally incorrect.  
 
If anything, the current discussion raging about changes is uncivil and reflects chaos.   It is this which bothers me the most.   Clearly a review by me of past problems is non-productive.   I prefer to look forward.    And I  respectfully decline to involve myself in political controversies past or present.    In my humble opinion, the success of NR depends upon a viable administrative scheme and individuals responsible for such administration dedicated to that end.   And, I might add. compliance with the strictures of Maine law is mandatory.
 
In the end, I regret taking the time to draft a suggestion.   Let the controversy continue unabated and unproductive.    It is apparent that I unknowingly offended you.   Ces't law vie.   I shall withdraw from the discussion and wish all the best.   I shall devote my time to my legio, which shall be productive.   Neither it nor myself shall engage in any civil wars. past, present, or future.
 
Vale,
 
Petrus Augustinus
 


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From: Robert Woolwine <robert.woolwine@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Lex Cornelia de vigintisexviris - Discussion


Ave Petrus Augustinus et Omnes,

Thank you for your response.

I can certainly understand where you are coming from with those
suggestions.  But, unfortunately taking the Samurai Sword approach and
slicing away all the laws that don't necessarily work is not an option.  As
much as I do not want to remove options from being considered..

I hope you will give me a chance to explain this reasoning.

To be blunt, I am not a Rex.  Nor am I a dictator (despite the rumors).  I
am the Consul of Nova Roma.  As such I have taken an Oath of office to
uphold not just Nova Roma but the laws passed.  This creates a relationship
that in one in my position has a duty of care and a responsibility to fix
the ship of state .  Doing the suggestion you recommend I suggest is
unfeasible and would be by application the actions of a Tyrant or worse a
Rex.  Being a Republic necessitates incremental movement in an effort to
not only implement policy but to implement change.  If I was to do as you
suggested not only would it create a void that needed to be filled and
filled quickly but there is no guarantee that the future laws that fill
that void will be done in a positive way nor will there be any guarantee
that they will be better laws than the one they are replacing.  In this
matter I believe the pace I am dealing with issues, which I would imagine
some would say is haste as it is (but then I have always been me in this
regard) are going in an excellent rhythm that gets in healthy doses my own
thoughts and opinions as well as a healthy dose of input from my staff,
that I rely one for their experience and input, and for the trifecta the
recommendations of the People of Nova Roma.    This trifecta of input I
believe turns out the best series of laws possible and at the same time
moves Nova Roma forward.

There is a saying I was told continually when I was younger, more
headstrong and more change driven and at the time I chaffed whenever I was
told it, the saying was from Augustus "Make Haste Slowly."  Now that I am
older, I understand that meaning and take it to heart.  I used to hear that
saying from Cassius, Cincinnatus and Audens repeatedly when I was younger
and I acted before I thought.

With all due respect and sincerity, what you suggest is not Roman, not
Republican, nor is it Nova Roman.  I hope, that you would take the time, I
know you are limited in time with reeancting and busy personal life, but I
do hope you take at least 30 min a day and reach the archives.  You are a
brand new citizen of Nova Roma and you have a unique take on Nova Roma
because you are new.  You were not here for the Civil Wars and the fights
that nearly ripped the organization apart.  I would like to respectfully
ask that you start around 2007 and take month by month reivew of the
archive and write up your thoughts.  If you start there you will see the
growing conflict.  You will see Nova Roma at her very best and worst.  You
will gain a more thorough understanding of the runnings of our organization
than many citizens who have been in the organization longer than you.
Doing this will not only help the organization by giving you a healthy
grounding and historical context but it will also show you some of the
birthing pains the organization has gone through to reach this point.
Because, it did not take a day for Nova Roma to get to this point and it
will not take a day for Her to climb out.  However, always keep in mind
that Nova Roma is climbing back - that much is crystal clear.

Most Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul of Nova Roma

Sta. Cornelia Aeternia Omnibus in foro S.P.D.


Greetings everyone.

Just a friendly reminder because I'm seeing OT comments interweaving with
comments that are related to discussion. It can get sometimes confusing
especially for our newer citizens. Also please try to snip posts for
everyone's inbox space.

To make things easier please change the subject headers for comments not
related to the Proposed Lex/Lexes at hand. No this is not by any means a
post to silence anyone from stating their opinions. It is a post to
encourage to diffuse the confusion only.


Gratias tibi ago.

Valete bene,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia
Senior Scriba Praetoris


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Ave,

I completely understand.

Yes, and I agree bringing upon ill will from you and countless others would
not be productive in any way. :)

With all due respect, there isn't chaos. Amice, this really is not choas.
This is at worst spirited discussion. Seriously, I think you should
review the archives to experience actual chaos in Nova Roma from 2008 to
2010. That was a period of Chaos, true Chaos.

What we have here is ongoing debate on the best course for Nova Roma to
sail through. And, once the people vote that discussion is done and we
move on to the next issue on the agenda. It is logical, clean and
political (for the most part NOT personal). We all are looking forward,
but when you are dealing with the minds of men and women for every
personality there is a different opinion as to the best way to move
forward. My vision of moving forward is obviously different than Dexter's.
Both of us have the right to state our case. That is both proper and
essential for a healthy body politic!

The Success of Nova Roma depends on an active, viable citizenry. The
administration should carry out the will of the People once that will has
been voice. You cannot have a viable administration without a healthy,
vocal and boisterous citizenry voicing their support or displeasure.

Please do not regret voicing your opinion! That you took the time to voice
your opinion is wonderful - don't hide that. If you are thinking it
chances are others are thinking it as well. Amice, You have not offended
me in the least. I would tell you if I was offended. What I hope you will
take the time to understand is that Nova Roma has a history and it would be
beneficial to learn from our history. Our history is important just as
important as the future we are making.

Respectfully,

Sulla

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C. Maria Caeca Scriba Praetoris A. Tullia Scholastica Senatrici, L. Cornelio
Sulla Consuli, C. Petronio Dextero Pontifici Maximo Omnibusque in foro
Salutem Plurimam Dicit:



As a moderator of this list, I have read, carefully, the entire interchange
between you. Had I read anything that is disallowed by the provisions of
the current Praetorian edicta concerning conduct on this list, action would
have been taken by this point.



However, the response by the Consul to the Senatrix's post equaled hers in
bluntness and sharpness, but no more than that. Were the Praetor to place
the Consul on moderation for what he posted on the main forum, he would be
acting in the same way that a previous Praetrix (who was convicted of abuse
of her office) did when she first posted a post from a private list to the
ML, then moderated Sulla for that post. In fact, if the current Praetor or
a member of his staff moderated any of the participants of this discussion
at this point, he would make himself, directly or indirectly vulnerable to
the same charge.



Senatrix, your original post was provocatively blunt, and by casting
aspersions on the Senate of Nova Roma, you could expect an equally blunt and
scathing response. You received it. There has been no infraction of the
edicta promulgated by the current Praetor.



Valete bene!

C. Maria, moderator and scribe





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Salve et Salvete Omnes,

I don't get to respond to these posts as often as I would like.

Welcome to all the new citizens who have joined Nova Roma, in the recent
days, weeks, and months. Welcome to Nova Roma!!

If you have any questions or concerns please do not hesitant to ask. You
will find many willing to help you get on your way.

Valete bene,
Statia Cornelia Aeternia


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C. Aemilius Crassus Praetor C. Pretronio Dextro Senatori omnibusque SPD,

Concerning your statement:

"...but I wait for the praetor to make policy and put you in moderation."

I would like to inform the position advanced by Caeca, Scriba of the
Praetura, is indeed the position of the Praetura and of the Praetor so
there isn't any doubt of it.

More reading the messages in question I don't see any reason to issue
any warning so talking of moderation is out of question. If you disagree
I would thank you if you would be so kind to show me where such messages
were in violation of the moderation edictum.

I remember that the Main list is the list for citizens and the free
speech in this list is guaranteed by our constitution and only in the
extreme situations that free of speech can be temporarily removed by
moderation. I may regret the debate have turn out in personal questions
instead on the merits and demerits of the proposals presented to be
voted, but even regretting it as a citizen I can't and won't do anything
about it at this stage as Praetor. Also to be perfectly clear I think
the post of Magistra Scholastica, Consul Sulla and your own post,
Dexter, suffer from that defect.

Valete optime,
Crassus

C. Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD,

Like Consul Sulla have told this proposal is the same presented for the
Comitia Centuriata and adapted to the Comitia Populi Tributa.

Like the previous proposal now approved I agree with it and would like
to ask all citizens to vote in favor of it.

The advantages of this proposal are:
- We aren't any longer closed lock to an internal cista.
- Each Century votes for as many candidates as there are vacancies for
that position and in this way eliminates much of the ties and of the
rounds and overcomplicated process.
- Defines how the elections are certificate by the Censores, involving
the Senate in case of conflict.
- Defines how ties are broke by a set of fix rules and possible of
verification by any citizen.

Valete optime,
Crassus

C. Aemilius Crassus C. Cornelio Sullae Consuli omnibusque SPD,

My first office in service of Nova Roma was as Diribitor, something I'm
proud of, and I was lucky to be in a marvelous team. It was intense and
concentrate work, if memory doesn't fail me we only had elections from
September to the end of the year but in that time we had a lot of them..

Even then was a position than more often than not there were vacancies
and or some officials diapered when was time to count votes.

I have little knowledge of the position of Rogator and a little, but not
much, on editor commentariorum and magister aranearius.

This proposal has the merit, in my opinion, to clear a lot of confusion
in the laws concerning these offices and even conflicts with the
constitution. It isn't the only way to solve it but it is a way and
considering that we hadn't any candidate to the office of Diribitor or
Custos in the past years it is a realistic way of solve it.

I would like to suggest some changing, first to allow to a maximum of 4
Diribitores instead of 3. More people counting will give more confidence
on it.

Secondly I will suggest placing a transitory clause making the actual
electoral officials to be brought to this new category since they were
already appointed by the Senate it is unnecessary to repeat the process.

Finally I would like to ask the actual electoral officials if while we
are using the votingplace services if it is possible to keep the site
official results. I'm obviously not talking about the individual votes
but the overall results in each Centuria or Tribe before any tie breaking?

Valete optime,
Crassus

Ave Praetor,

The way the law is currently written there must be a minumum of 2
individuals with a maximum of 3 that can be appointed to serve as Dribitor.
I would not have a problem of amending it from a minimum of 2 to a maximum
of 4 individuals that can be appointed.

The Rogator position was initially created way back in 2003 to be a vote
counting official. It has since obviously evolved to what it currently is,
glorified Censor scribe with a unique title that might or might not be
included within the Censor staff. This proposal corrects that and folds it
back into the Censorship seamlessly and gives the Censors oversight if they
choose to retain the position within their existing staff.

As to your second suggestion, since the SCU on elections is still in
effect, I had every intention of retaining the 4 individuals who are
currently serving as election officials continue doing so for until the SCU
expires at the end of this calendar year. All that needs to be done to
make that official was the publication of Consular Edict - which I have
already started working on.

As to your third question, Please feel free to ask them. That would be an
interesting question to have answered.

I hope this meets to your satisfaction.

Respectfully,

Sulla


On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 4:07 PM, C. Aemilius Crassus <
c.aemilius.crassus@...
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In a message dated 6/2/2013 10:32:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rajuc47@... writes:

The post of Diribitor is traditionally a stepping stone toward the cursus
honorum. Making it a strictly Senate-appointed post would sever that
link. Now, I recognize that it's been hard in the last few years to find
people willing to stand for election to those offices, but I don't think that
the answer is to take it out of the voters hands altogether.
Really? During what part of the Republic? The Quaestorship was the start
of the a Roman's path of honor.

This is why Dictator Sulla of the Republic increased the number. The same
with the increase of Provincial Praetors.

Fabius




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Avete Omnes,

I would like to aid our editors with brainstorming ideas for the
Eagle/Aquila

I have already suggested that there should be focus on the Sodalitas either
in articles or that the latest and greatest discussions that have been
going on should be highlighted. This kind of exposure could be very
benefical.

THe Eagle should also list the latest information/events and itinerary of
our Sponsored Legions. With information provided that if citizens wanted to
attend they would have the basics to get more info.

I just recently had a new idea that the editor should contact each Senatoir
and basically interview them. Find out more about what drew them to NR,
their experiences in NR, what areas of focus need attention and where they
see NR in say 5 years from now.

How do these sound? Does anyone have any other ideas for consideration?

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul


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Fabius, you're absolutely right.  I misunderstood something I read about it.  Quaestor was indeed the start of the path.  The vigintisexviri, however, were often young men getting experience before starting on the Cursus Honorum.  I confused that with actually being a part of the path.  My mistake.

Laterensis

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android



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Avete Omnes,

I will be posting the latest drafts of the proposals tomorrow. If anyone
has any additional concerns or criticisms please let me know.

This will give enough time either amend or keep these as the Final Drafts
to be voted on.

Again, thank you everyone for your participation. With everyone's input I
believe we are coming up with the best law possible and one that will serve
Nova Roma's needs for the foreseeable future..

Respectfully,

Sulla


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C. Aemilius Crassus Praetor Novae Romae omnibus SPD,

I would like to inform the Ludi Apollinares will be held this year from
pr. Non. Quint. (July 6th) to a.d. III Id. Quint. (July 13th). The
provisional Ludi program is:

6th -
Open ceremony

9th-
Equestrian race


13th-
Closing ceremony

During the Ludi there will be a quiz related with the Ludi Apollinares
and Apollo among other matters and the posting by the Praetura of texts
and other materials about the Ludi.

I would like to ask all that would be so inclined and visited by the
muses to make works of text (prose or poetry), images (photography,
drawings and paintings) and short theater plays centered on these Ludi,
Apollo, ancient Roma or Nova Roma. These will not be for a contest but
offerings to the Ludi and Apollo and I would like to ask to send them to
me, cDOTaemiliusDOTcrassusATgmailDOTcom, before the start of the Ludi so
the Praetura can post them within the Ludi schedule with due credit to
the authors of the work and offer.

After the end of the Ludi all works offered will be place in digital
document as the memory of the Ludi.

Valete optime.
C. Aemilius Crassus
Non. Iun. MMDCCLXVI

C. Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD,

I would like to request to all Dominus Factionis to contact me as soon
as possible so we can discuss the equestrian race in the upcoming Ludi
Apollinares.

Valete optime.

Avete Omnes,

Effective today, I the following staffing changes are to be announced and
notification given publicly to the People of Nova Roma.

Release from staff:

Gaius Equitius Cato
Tiberia Valeria Celeris

I thank them for their service and appreciate their involvement to Nova
Roma and to my staff.

Appointment of Appatories:

Gaia Maria Caeca
Gaius Claudius Quadratus
Petrus Quinctius Petrus Augustinus

No oath is required.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul of Nova Roma


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http://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=586551&location=Rome&add=1

Salvete Romans

Please add youself to the map

Please use your Roman name

Valete

Paulinus


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Salve Pauline, et salvete omnes!

I now share the globe with you.

Looks a bit lonely at the moment, but I hope that others will soon join us.

This is a good find, and shows where in the world Nova Roma is represented.

Vale, et valete omnes!
Crispus

Salvete omnes!



I'll try to add myself in a bit. I just hope it's set up so that I *can* or
that, if I can't, someone can do it for me. We'll see, but I do think this
is *very* cool, and I hope everyone participates! Just out of curiosity,
can we put a link to this on our web site, so the effort can be ongoing and
continuous and anyone can look at any time to see who is close to them? I
can see definite benefits from having and maintaining something like this!



Valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca



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Something like this shoulc be on the Wiki

Il 06/06/2013 18:20, Timothy or Stephen Gallagher ha scritto:
Salve, Paulinus. Here I am, in Pescara, central Italy:

http://www.zeemaps.com/edit/m-B4wfiMmZ9dU-1r188gjA

Great idea, BTW.

Optime vale,
Placidus


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Salvete Omnes!



OK, I tried .but the direction to click on a location on the map defeated
me. My adaptive software .won't ..help me do that. If someone could add me
(Atlanta, GA) I'd be most grateful. If not, well, *I* know where I am, (I
think). J!



Valete bene!

C. Maria Caeca



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I will add you Caeca

Salvete!

This is a great idea! I tried to add myself, but nothing changed. What's the secret?

Valete!

C Claudius Quadratus

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Thanks! Does this ...confirm that I do, in fact, exist? :).

Omnibus in foro S. P. D.



Oh, dear .got tangled up in my folders, and thought I was answering a
private email! My apologies to the list!



Gratias tibi ago, Consul! My existence has been confirmed J!



Valete Bene!

C. Maria Caeca



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Salvete omnes,

I would like to take a moment to remember all brave men and women who
fought on this date to start to free Europe from the Nazi occupation.

As hard as our times may look sometimes those days were darker and too many
did the supreme sacrifice to restore humanity.

Valete optime,
Crassus


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C. Maria Caeca C. Aemilio Crasso Omnibusque in foro S. P. D.



Thank you, Crasse, for this reminder. Such events are part of our history
and heritage, and should be remembered for the sacrifice of so many brave
military personnel, but also as a reminder that the causes of these events
must *never* be allowed again. I recently finished reading In The Garden Of
Beasts by Erik Larson .a book that chronicles the hijacking and distortion
of an entire nation by a virulent minority, and how most other nations in
the European and American community mostly sat back, and quietly watched.



Vale bene!

C. Maria Caeca



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Ave Omnes,
 
My father, COL Pierre A. Kleff, was a WWII veteran and served in North Africa, Sicily, and in the European campaign in the 12th Army Group under General Omar Bradley.   He then served in counterintelligence in Germany and Austria after the war.   He was a 30 year veteran when he retired in 1960, having turned down promotion to Brigadier.   He was a well-educated, intelligent, honorable gentleman.   Of all the men I have met and known throughout my long life, my father has always been and remains my hero.    He and my mother are buried at Arlington National Cemetery, Washington, D.C.   May God bless his memory.
 
Vale,
 
Publius Quinctius Petrus Augustinus
(Pierre A. Kleff, Jr., LT. Col., U.S. Army Ret.)
    


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From: Aemilius Crassus <c.aemilius.crassus@... To: Nova-Roma <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:46 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] D-day OT

 

Salvete omnes,

I would like to take a moment to remember all brave men and women who
fought on this date to start to free Europe from the Nazi occupation.

As hard as our times may look sometimes those days were darker and too many
did the supreme sacrifice to restore humanity.

Valete optime,
Crassus

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Salvete!

OK. It let me in this time. All's good.

Valete!

Quadratus

To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
From: charlesaronowitz@...
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 18:00:53 +0000
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Where in the world are you


























Salvete!



This is a great idea! I tried to add myself, but nothing changed. What's the secret?



Valete!



C Claudius Quadratus



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My pin is in...

Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!

May I join with you noble Crassus in honoring these men. I was only 3 months
old myself at hat date.

c. Pompeius Marcellus


On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 19:46:45 +0100
Aemilius Crassus <c.aemilius.crassus@...

Avete Omnes,

I have been asked to adjust the scheduled given the Dies Nafasti by a
Pontiff, I am trying to comply with the new schedule.

This is the current schedule:

SCHEDULE:

09:00 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 31-May-2013 : Call to order. Debate period
commences. � Contio Begins

09:00 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 8th-June-2013 : Debate period ends. � Contio Ends

09:01 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 9th- June -2013 : Call to vote. Voting period
commences.

09:01 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 14th- June-2013 : Voting period ends.

11:59 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 15-June-2013 : Call to close issued before this time.


The New Schedule is:


SCHEDULE:

09:00 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 31-May-2013 : Call to order. Debate period
commences. � Contio Begins

09:00 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 16th-June-2013 : Debate period ends. � Contio Ends

09:01 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 17h- June -2013 : Call to vote. Voting period
commences.

09:01 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 22nd- June-2013 : Voting period ends.

11:59 PM MOUNTAIN TIME 23rd-June-2013 : Call to close issued before this
time.


Respectfully,


Sulla


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Resolved, it is the purpose of this lex to establish ongoing, simple and
easily understood procedures to summon the Comitia Populi Tributa. In the
past 3 years Nova Roma has been unable to effectively summon the Comitias
under the existing procedures and thus the Senate was required to pass
Emergency Decrees (SCUs) to resolve this impasse. By promulgating this lex
no further SCU will be needed to summon this Comitia (Comitia Populi
Tributa).

I. All previous laws relating to the Comitia Populi
Tributa (hereinafter referred to as the Comitia) are hereby rescinded as
they apply to the election of magistrates and the promulgation of
legislation by the Comitia.

The Lex Fabia de ratione comitiorum populi tributorum (
http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Fabia_de_ratione_comitiorum_populi_tributorum_(Nova_Roma))is
hereby repealed.

II. Calling to Order the Comitia Populi Tributa

a. Either a Consul, Praetor, or Interrex (hereinafter referred to as
presiding magistrate) may, as described by the Constitution call the
Comitia Populi Tributa (hereinafter referred to as �The Comitia�) in order
to hold a vote on the following: A Lex, a series of leges, to hold an
election or to conduct an appropriate legal proceeding.

i. The
Comitia may be summoned by the presiding magistrate by making a public
declaration announcing the summons in the official public fora.

ii. It is
recommended that the presiding magistrate seek auspices with a member of
the College of Augurs or an appropriate alternative.

iii. The
Summons must contain the following information:

Subject heading: Official Summons of the Comitia Populi Tributa

The text of the summons must include:

Candidates�s names, date of citizenship, a statement that they have met the
Constitutional and legal requirements of the office they are seeking, and
The office they are seeking.

Full text of leges which are being voted on, Draft version is acceptable at
this point.

The Dates and times when the members of the Comitia shall begin and end the
Contio and the start and end date of the voting period.

Also, the presiding magistrate shall include any additional special
instructions necessary that pertain to the mechanics of the vote.

In the event of a legal proceeding the presiding magistrate will include
all necessary information including but not limited to: Name of the
petitioner, name of the defendant, and the charges specified.

iv. The Timing of the Vote.

1. The Official Summons of the Comitia Populi Tributa is identified as
an edictum. A copy of the Official Summons will be posted on the Website
with the corresponding designation.

2. The edictum containing the call to vote must be issued at least 120
hours (5 days) prior to the start of the voting session. This period shall
be known as the Contio and during this time formal discussion of the agenda
(leges and legal proceeding) and/or candidates shall take place.

3. In the event that, in an effort to fill a magisterial office, there
are not enough candidates at the time of the opening of the Contio, the
presiding magistrate may accept additional candidates as long as there are
at least 48 hours remaining in the Contio. In other words, there are eight
vacant offices for office of Quaestor � at the time the presiding
magistrate summons the Comitia only one candidate has stepped forward �
leaving 7 vacancies. 24 hours after the Contio has started other
citizen(s) step forward (and have met the requirements) the presiding
magistrate has the discretion to include those individual(s) in this
comitia summons, a new election or a delay in the existing contio does not
need to take place. The acceptance of late candidates does not give the
presiding magistrate discretionary authority to disregard any
constitutional requirements for office.

4. Final draft of all legislation being voted on must be presented to
the Comitia at least 48 hours prior to the close of the Contio.

5. During the Contio all constitutional powers remain in effect.
Tribunes can issue intercessio, magistrates who share imperium or outrank
in imperium may exercise their constitutionally derived powers.

6. Intercessio may be exercised against the following: The entire
election, vote, one specific item on the agenda, or multiple items on the
agenda. The removal of an item or items is effective for the length of
this comitia summons only. It does not prevent the item from being listed
in a future Comitia summons.

7. In voting for a lex, the minimum contio period must last no fewer
than 120 hours (5 days)

8. In a legal proceeding the minimum contio period must last no fewer
than 192 hours (8 days)

9. The ability to vote during the voting period may be impacted due to
calendar issues as enacted by decreta of the Collegium Pontificum. Any
impact must be announced by the presiding magistrate.

10. Election officials shall tally the vote and deliver the results to
both the presiding magistrate and the Censors (Secretaries of the
Corporation) within 48 hours of the close of voting period. The presiding
magistrate cannot announce the result until the certification process is
fulfilled.

11. The Censors have 24 hours to certify the results given by the election
officials. They have the ability to review all actions taken by the
election officials to ensure accuracy and impartiality. Once the Censors
certify the vote and/or election the Censors or the presiding magistrate
shall announce the result(s) in the appropriate official public fora.
Once completed the presiding magistrate shall bring the Comitia to a
close.

III. Voting Procedures

A. Each citizen will receive a unique voter identification code. This
code shall be used to maintain anonymity in the voting process, and to
minimize the possibility of voter fraud. The voter identification code can
be issued via automatic process by the web based secured form used or by
the 3rd party alternative. If an automated process is impractical, or
non-existent the Censores shall in a timely manner, prior to vote, issue
the voter codes, delivered to the citizens and supply the electoral
officers with the list of valid voter codes within each tribe in a way that
assures the anonymity of the citizens vote. The election officials shall
not have access to the names of the citizens associated with the particular
voter identification codes, nor shall the election officials have access to
the Censor tools or censor database.



B. The election officials, Censors, Web Master, or any authorized or
appointed official shall make available a cista (a secure web-based form �
internal voting platform) or a secured 3rd party alternative (currently
Nova Roma uses votingplace.net) that will allow citizens to vote. It is
highly recommended that a link is posted on the Nova Roma website, and a
link posted in the official public fora before the voting period is open.
The election officials will keep record of the voter identification number
and the desired vote of the individual. The information thus collected
will be either forwarded to the election officials as it is gathered or at
the end of the process, at their discretion. Alternative methods of voting
may be enacted by other legislation as required.



C. In the case of a magisterial election, each voter shall have the
option to mark each candidate �Yes (uti rogas) or leave the candidate
unmarked; each ballot shall carry the following direction: �You may vote
for 1 candidate per office vacancy, please select the magistrate you most
strongly support.� In the case of legislation, for each proposed law, each
voter shall have the option to vote �yes (uti rogas) or �no (antiquo).� In
the case of a legal proceeding each voter shall have the option to vote
�absolvo� (I absolve, innocent) or �condemno� (I condemn, guilty).



D. Once cast, no vote may be altered, even with the correct voter
identification code. Should multiple votes be registered with the same
voter identification code, only the first recorded vote shall be used in
tallying the vote.

IV. Procedures for Counting Votes

A. Votes shall be counted by tribes



B. In the case of magisterial election the votes of each tribe shall be
calculated as follows. For each tribe the candidates shall be ranked in
order by the number of yes votes they receive. The candidate(s) that
receives the most �yes� votes wins the tribe. Ties will be decided by
using the procedure established in "THE BREAKING OF TIES" section of this
lex. If more than one office is vacant the HIGHEST ranked member wins until
all offices are filled. If no one in the tribe votes, the tribe is skipped
and the election officials move to the next tribe.



C. In the case of a vote on a lex (or leges), each tribe shall vote in
favor of the leges if a majority of votes received by members of that tribe
are in favor. If no one in the tribe votes, the tribe is skipped and the
election officials move to the next tribe.



D. In the case of a vote on a legal proceeding before the Comitia
Populi Tributa, each tribe shall vote for conviction if a majority of the
votes received from the members of that tribe are marked �condemno.� Ties
within a tribe will result in that tribe voting to acquit. If no one in
the tribe votes, the tribe is skipped and the election officials move to
the next tribe.



E. The Voting period for the Comitia, shall be no fewer than 168 hours
(7 days). All tribes are allowed to vote at the commencement of the voting
period. The presiding magistrate will notify the Comitia of the opening of
the voting period via the official public fora and a notice will be posted
on the website.



F. Results shall be counted by tribe.



G. In case of magisterial elections the results are calculated as
follows:



a. Each tribe will rank the candidates voting results from highest to
lowest. The candidate that wins the most votes is declared the winner of
that tribe. If there is a tie in deciding who won the tribe, Ties will be
decided by using the procedure established in "THE BREAKING OF TIES"
section of this lex (by resolving the tie between the candidates who are
tied). Depending on the number of vacancies there could be more than one
winner. (If there is more than one vacancy, each tribe should have more
than one winner, those being the highest and second highest vote totals per
tribe, etc etc until all vacancies are filled.) This process will be done
for each tribe that voted. The winner then is determined by which
candidate won the most tribes, until all office vacancies are filled.



H. In the case of lex or leges, a simple majority of tribes casting
votes must vote in favor for the lex to be adopted. In the case of a vote
on the a lex or Leges, a simple majority is defined as one half of the
number of tribes casting votes plus one, fractions being rounded down. If
a Tribe is tied, the tribe will be counted as a No vote, there will be no
tie breaking procedure. A tribe in which no voter cast votes shall not be
counted.



I. In the case of a legal proceeding, a majority of the tribes must
vote in favor of conviction in order for the accused to be condemned. In
the case of a trial before the Comitia Populi Tributa, a "majority" is
defined as "one half of the total number of tribes, plus one, fractions
being rounded down."



a. Even those tribes in which no voters cast votes shall be counted,
as implicit votes for acquittal, toward the total. If a tribe has no
members enrolled the election officials are instructed to remove those
tribes from consideration during the vote counting process � Only tribes
with individuals, enrolled in said tribe may determine the outcome of a
legal proceeding.



J. Votes may be tallied by automated means should the election
officials determine such is preferable to, and at least as accurate as a
manual count.



K. Only the aggregate votes of the tribes shall be delivered to the
presiding magistrate; the votes of individual citizen shall be secret.

THE BREAKING OF TIES

The following are the only three methods to be utilized to determine
the results of ties. The process to be used will be in numerical order �
in other words no choosing. If a victor is not determined by the method #1
- then #2 will be used and then #3 until a winner shall be determined.
This will be utilized for both ties in individual tribes and in the sum
total of the Comitia.

1. In case of tied candidates the tie is resolved giving the highest
position to the candidate who has been a citizen of Nova Roma the longest.

2. If the above tie breaking process does not resolve the tie situation
the winning candidate between the tied candidates will be the one with the
most century points.

3. If the above two tie breaking processes fail to break the tie the result
will be determined by the ages of the tied candidates. The oldest
candidate will be declared the winner of the tie.

Addendum: In the event that Nova Roma implements a Cista voting
platform (internally controlled) and can establish a random tie breaking
program that cannot be tampered with to manipulate the results, (Even the
implication of tampering could damage the credibility of our electoral
process and must
be avoided to the extent of our ability to do so. Nothing must infringe
on the integrity of the election.) Such a tie breaking program would need
to be thoroughly tested and endorsed by the Senate of Nova Roma, prior to
being used by the Comitia. Upon this requirement being satisfied the
election officers may use a lot breaking device with the approval and
consent of the Censors The Censors through the certification process must
be confident that the integrity of the tie breaking procedure is both
beyond the bounds of human manipulation and that the will of the People
through the vote is maintained. The entire electoral process must be, and
be seen to be, entirely credible and transparent. Once completed then the
Certification process may progress as written in this Lex.

In addition, the presiding magistrate has the duty and responsibility to
request a member of the College of Pontifices or appropriate Priest to
conduct a ceremonia, at the start of a vote, to address the State�s need to
utilize a method of tie resolution that does not utilize chance and a more
direct form of divine intervention due to the corruption and tampering of
men.

CERTIFICATION PROCESS

The Censors have the responsibility and powers to investigate any
verifiable concern regarding the vote, within the timeframe.

If the censors need additional time, one or both censors may seek an
extension of time from the presiding magistrate. The presiding magistrate
has the discretion to approve an extension or not. The Censors
certify the election by sending a notification to the presiding magistrate
that they, �Approve and sign off on the Comitia results.�

If the Censors fail to sign off on the certification process they
are required to explain their rationale to the presiding magistrate.
With this notification the presiding magistrate notifies the Senate.
Within 48
hours, the presiding magistrate issues an emergency summons of the
Senate for the sole purpose of addressing this issue and to promulgate a
Senatus Consulta based on the Comitia situation. If the Senate decides to
override the Censors decision the Censors can 1. Certify the election or
2. Refuse to sign. If the Censors choose to refuse to sign, the Senate
certifies the election in place of the Censors. If the Senate determines
that the Censors issues are valid and agree with the Censors the results of
the Comitia are null and void. The Presiding magistrate notifies the
People and closes the Comitia and the Comitia will need to be completely
restarted.


If the Censors fail to respond within the 24 hour timeframe, the Censors
are deemed to have consented and the Comitia results can then be posted by
the presiding magistrate.


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Introduction - This lex serves the purpose of refining Nova Roma's offices
to better serve the interests of the State. In recent years an
insufficient number of qualified candidates stood for election to these
positions, leaving them vacant.. This lex addresses the need for a more
effective and easier alternative for filling these positions; and to give
the Senate more direct oversight especially concerning the filling of the
electoral magistracies which conduct, count and oversee the elections of
officers in Nova Roma.

This Lex supersedes and repeals all previous leges and Senatus Consulta in
this jurisdictional area. This includes but is not limited to the
following:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Equitia_de_vigintisexviris_(Nova_Roma)

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Galeria_de_editore_commentariorum_(Nova_Roma)

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Apula_de_magistro_araneario_(Nova_Roma)

http://novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Labiena_de_iure_edicendi_vigintisexvirorum_(Nova_Roma)

Effective immediately the positions that were covered under the Lex Equitia
de Vigintisexviris are no longer independent offices that are elected by
the Comitia Populi Tributa; nor are the offices listed in this lex to be
classified as Vigintisexviri positions.

Effective Immediately the Office of the Rogator, whose responsibility was
focused on registering qualified voters, issuing voter codes, and
administering the routine citizenship application process reverts to the
Censores office to be filled at the discretion of the Censors�. This
position, if filled will have the same ranking and distinction as a scribe
appointment with all the same rights, responsibilities and century point
allocations therein. The independent office of Rogator is now extinct.

Effective immediately the offices of Custodes and Diribitors are combined.

A. *A new office is created called Diribitores with four positions
available to be appointed by the Senate by proposal of the presiding
magistrate. A minimum of two individuals must fill this position at all
times.*

B. *The Diribitores will have the duty to count the votes and tie breaking
in the voting processes in the Comitia Centuriata, Comitia Populi Tributa
and Comitia Plebis Tributa � in compliance and in accord with the leges
governing the vote count and ties breading procedures governing each Comitia
.*

C. *The Senate may appoint individuals for suffect (Partial term), full
year terms, or multiple years.*

D. *Since the diribitores are by definition privy to the details of the
election process, they may not run for any elective office while they serve
in office as diribitores.*



Appointment of Diribitors: As Senatorial appointments the presiding
magistrate (ie Consul, praetor or Tribune of the Plebs) may present
individuals to the Senate for consideration. The Senate has the right and
privilege to accept or reject candidates for the Diribitore Position(s).



*In the event of an emergency*: An Emergency is described as having 20
days or less to an upcoming Comitia summons � the Presiding magistrate may
issue an edicta appointing individual(s) pro-tempore to serve as a
diribitore � for one election cycle only. To be specific it means only one
summons of one Comita ONLY (Comitia Centuriata, Comitia Populi Tributa, and
Comitia Plebis Tributa). No individual can be named Pro Tempore Diribitore
for more than one time in a calendar year. However that individual may be
considered by the Senate for a suffect appointment.

Editor commentariorum and *magister aranearius (webmaster) are the two
remaining positions.
*
The editor commentariorum shall be responsible for the production,
publication, and distribution of the official publications sponsored by the
State. The editor commentariorum shall be appointed by a vote of the
senate. The editor commentariorum shall be appointed for suffect (Partial
term), full year terms or multiple years . The standard Senatorial
appointment should be for a minimum of 2 years.

*
The magister aranearius shall be responsible for the design, maintenance,
and any alteration of the official web site(s) sponsored by the State*.* **The
magister aranearius shall solicit input from the other magistrates and
institutions of Nova Roma regarding content for the web site*. The Magister
aranearius may be appointed for suffect (Partial term), full year term or
multiple years. The standard Senatorial appointment should be for a
minimum of 2 years.

The Century points for the positions of the Diribitore, Editor
Commentariorum and Magister Aranearius shall receive the same number of
points as the Office of Quaestor.


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Avete Omnes,

It is now the midpoint of the year. I think it is an appropriate time to
do a review of the past year and to follow that up on upcoming items.

Beginning in January when this years magistrates assumed office Nova Roma
was in a continued state of reforms still recovering from the civil war of
2010, IRS audit, website and domain in tenuous control. Comitia's not
working under their own procedures only 1 election official and this is
just the tip of the iceberg. To be honest, everywhere one turned their
head was an area that needed to be looked at, proper attention given to
each facet and then the necessary reforms written and promulgated. This
struggle and the difficultues it posed can, I believe, be reflected in the
lack of magistrates we had. There simply was a huge amount of work that
needed to be done and plenty attention and TLC (tender loving care) is
going to need to be applied to turn everything around.

I believe my colleagues and I have stepped up to the plate magnificently to
begin this process.

Our Aediles have done outstanding jobs being limited without a colleague
with the games. The rituals and the events that go along with what makes
the Ludi a great and wonderful distraction from the daily political grind
has been and continues to be a wonderful distraction. The planning and
dedication it takes to put on these events is huge and only one who has
served as a scribe or Aedile themselves know the time, dedication and
resources it takes to pull off such an event.

Our Praetor, has acquited himself professionally and dedicated to his tasks
in making sure that the revival of the ML, and let me be clear with that,
the absolute revival of the ML is something that cannot be underestimated.
Last year the entire messages generated on the ML was 2524 messages. This
year we are currently at: 1467. On top of this, the Praetor has assisted
me in so many ways. For example he basically organized the senate agenda
item in regards to the Governors and he is ensuring right now that all the
magistrates, senators and appatories (Scribes and assistants) in Nova Roma
are in compliance with the law, ie they are tax paying citizens.

Our Censors are ensuring that new citizens are approved in a timely manner.
And, that the Tribes and Centuries are updated to reflect tax payers.
And, our Censor Paulinus and Senator Audens have revived the Eagle/Aquilia
newsletter.

Finally, we get to the Consul. Since I have assumed office it has been a
flurry of activity. I have resolved the IRS Audit and implemented the
suggestions within the procedures of both of the Comitia's (with the hope
that the Comitia Populi procedures pass the vote). Nova Roma has absolute
control of the Domain and procedures to seamlessly transfer that domain
from consul to consul every year - to ensure proper controls and senate
oversight. The website migration is actively in progress and an estimated
completion date is set for September. With that completion we will be on
track to lower taxes next year! The campaign promises I made when I ran
for office are all nearing completion.

There were 7 items:
1 IRS Audit - basically done.
2 Website - Domain - integration - In progress - tentative date Sept 1st
3 Pending issues from previous consulship - still in progress.
4 Lower taxes - still on target - wont know for certain til October.
5 Wiki development - in progress
6 Ordo Equaestor/Merchants Reform - In progress
7 NO MORE SCUs needed - Comitia Centuriata - Completed!
Comitia Populi Tributa - In
progress

On top of those election promises there have been many other areas that
have been or will be impacted. From handling issues that have been brought
to my attention with the Collegium Pontificum to trying to begin the
process of healing Nova Roma's damaged relationship with the reenactor
community. When Nova Roma was founded it was founded to be a big tent
where the common denominator was an abiding interest in ancient Rome and it
is important that Nova Roma re-embrace that foundation fully and
completely. In short there has rarely been a day gone this year that Nova
Roma has not been a primary focus.

In the upcoming months, this flurry of activity will continue. In the next
few months I plan to continue focus on a number of foundation areas:

1 - Legion/Reenactor Fund for private citizens who wish to donate monies to
legions.
2 - Provincial reforms - smaller provinces...more governors - better
ability to have more local events and more interaction with governors and
other members of the local community.
3 - Ordo Equaestor - There is a work in progress to bring to NR a proper
Ordo that includes more than just merchants.
4 - Consolidation of laws/Repeal of some laws
5 - Reforming the Leges Salicia.
6 - Many many more things.

These are just some of the upcoming items. If you have suggestions I would
love to hear them. Thank you for your time and for reading this message
all the way through. I do not normally write long posts, but this one I
think is necessary to show where we have come in just 6 months and to give
you an idea of where we will be going.

Most Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul of Nova Roma


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Cn. Iulius Caesar sal.

As proconsul of Canada Citerior, by this edict I appoint Gaius Claudius Quadratus as procurator, whose scope of authority and activity is the entire province of Canada Citerior.

Optime valete.

CENSORIAL NOTA ISSUED AGAINST QUINTUS FABIUS MAXIMUS BY THE CENSORS TIBERIUS GALERIUS PAULINUS AND GNAEUS IULIUS CAESAR


1. Under the authority of Section IV.A.1.f of the Nova Roman Constitution, the censors are empowered to issue a nota to "safeguard the public morality and honor".

2. As Section IV.A.1.f of the Nova Roman Constitution does not define "public morality and honor" the process as laid down in Section III of the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, passed by  the Senate in January 2765 A.U.C., shall be used to provide a definition.

3. Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and honor" as laid down in section III.1 the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition of "public" in relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by the FindLaw website as "of or relating to business or community interests as opposed to private affairs [ policy] [a matter of concern]".

4.  Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and honor" as laid down in section III.2 the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition of "morality" in relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by the Merriam-Webster dictionary website as "conformity to ideals of right human conduct".

5.  Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and honor" as laid down in section III.2 the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition of "honor" in relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by the Merriam-Webster dictionary website as "a keen sense of ethical conduct".

6. Under the authority of Section VII of the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, we ascribe the final and lawful meaning of "public morality and honor" as "conduct that conforms to the ideals of right and ethical human conduct as it relates to the community interests of Nova Roma". 

7. An email sent by Quintus Fabius Maximus to the consul Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix on Wednesday May 1st 2013 contained a conditional threat of violence against the person of the consul, namely ""Mr Woolwine.  You call me a liar publicly once more, and I'll drive out to zona and punch you in the mouth!  You feel me?"

8. Parsing the threat described in Section 7 above against the definition in Section 6 above, we find that making a threat to punch a fellow citizen in the mouth is self-evidently not right or ethical human conduct, nor is it in the interests of Nova Roma that free speech and/or the conduct of government should be constrained and/or retaliated against by threats of, or the actual commission of, violence. Therefore the threat at Section 7 is a violation of public morality and honor.

9. In recognition of our finding at Section 8 above and under the authority described at Section 1 above, we the censors of Nova Roma, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus and Gnaeus Iulius Caesar issue this censorial nota against Quintus Fabius Maximus. 

10. Quintus Fabius Maximus is deprived of his right to vote within and throughout Nova Roma and being a senator of Nova Roma is also removed from the Senate. These restrictions shall remain in force until such time as this nota is removed.

11. Removal of this nota shall occur when Quintus Fabius Maximus has addressed his behavior to our collegiate satisfaction.


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, censor, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, censor.     

CENSORIAL NOTA ISSUED AGAINST AULA TULLIA SCHOLASTICA BY THE CENSORS TIBERIUS GALERIUS PAULINUS AND GNAEUS IULIUS CAESAR


1. Under the authority of Section IV.A.1.f of the Nova Roman Constitution, the censors are empowered to issue a nota to "safeguard the public morality and honor".

2. As Section IV.A.1.f of the Nova Roman Constitution does not define "public morality and honor" the process as laid down in Section III of the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, passed by  the Senate in January 2765 A.U.C., shall be used to provide a definition.

3. Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and honor" as laid down in section III.1 the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition of "public" in relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by the FindLaw website as "of or relating to business or community interests as opposed to private affairs [ policy] [a matter of concern]".

4.  Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and honor" as laid down in section III.2 the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition of "morality" in relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by the Merriam-Webster dictionary website as "conformity to ideals of right human conduct".

5.  Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and honor" as laid down in section III.2 the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition of "honor" in relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by the Merriam-Webster dictionary website as "a keen sense of ethical conduct".

6. Under the authority of Section VII of the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, we ascribe the final and lawful meaning of "public morality and honor" as "conduct that conforms to the ideals of right and ethical human conduct as it relates to the community interests of Nova Roma". 

7. In March of 2765 A.U.C. the Senate of Nova Roma issued a Senatorial reprimand against Aula Tullia Scholastica, namely:

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SENATUS CONSULTUM ON THE SENATE REPRIMAND OF AULA TULLIA SCHOLASTICA



I. Aula Tullia Scholastica, senator and censor, in message number 20415, posted on the Senate list on March 12th 2012, gave an account of her interaction in an email exchange with Gaius Claudius Axenrothus, citizen of Nova Roma.

II. Aula Tullia Scholastica characterized Gaius Claudius Axenrothus as a possible misogynist in message number 20415.

III. Aula Tullia Scholastica characterized Gaius Claudius Axenrothus as immoral, an almost certain major misogynist, and introduced the suspicion that he may well have altered the contents of her email to him (message number 20469, posted on the Senate list March 22nd 2012).

IV. The Senate is satisfied that:

A. The content of Aula Tullia Scholastica’s post 20415 conflicted with the content of an email she sent to Gaius Claudius Axenrothus, dated March 4th 2012 (contained in message 20418, posted on the Senate list on March 12th 2012) to such a degree that the a reasonable person could only conclude she lied in statements she made in post 20415.

B. That Aula Tullia Scholastica’s statements on the Senate list as at section II and III of this Senatus consultum regarding the character of Gaius Claudius Axenrothus were such that a reasonable person could only conclude that they were made in an effort to malign his character and divert attention and responsibility from herself to Gaius Claudius Axenrothus. 

V. As a consequence of section IV of this Senatus consultum, Aula Tullia Scholastica has violated her oath of office, as sworn by her (as per the Lex Iunia de iusiurando) in message number 2364, posted on the Nova Roma Announce list on January 1st 2012, in that she has broken the following sections of her oath:

A. "upholding the honor of Nova Roma" - by lying on the Senate list and maligning the character of a citizen of Nova Roma;

B. "acting always in the best interest of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma" - by lying on the Senate list and maligning the character of a citizen of Nova Roma;

C. "swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings " - by dishonoring herself before the Gods and Goddesses of Rome and shown them disrespect, by lying on the Senate list and maligning the character of a citizen of Nova Roma;

D. "pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life" – by lying on the Senate list and maligning the character of a citizen of Nova Roma;

E. “to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma” – by violating her constitutional duty as censor to “safeguard the public morality and honor” by herself lying on the Senate list and maligning the character of a citizen of Nova Roma

F. "fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of censor to the best of my abilities " – by violating her constitutional duty as censor to “safeguard the public morality and honor” by herself lying on the Senate list and maligning the character of a citizen of Nova Roma;

VI. As a consequence of section V of this Senatus consultum the Senate reprimands Aula Tullia Scholastica for a violation of her oath of office by lying, failing in her constitutional duty and the maligning of a citizen’s character.

VII. Should Aula Tullia Scholastica apologize for violating her oath of office by lying, failing in her constitutional duty and the maligning of a citizen’s character by means of posting such an apology on the Senate list and where such an apology is to the satisfaction of both the consuls holding office when such an apology is posted by her, then after the consuls post to the Senate list their acceptance of her apology, this Senatus consultum shall automatically be deemed to have been repealed.

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8. No such apology was received by the consuls in 2765 A.U.C. and to date no such apology has been received by the consul Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.

9. Parsing the behavior described in the Senatorial reprimand as described in Section 7 above against the definition in Section 6 above, we find that lying on the Senate list and breaking the oath of office is self-evidently not right or ethical human conduct, nor is it in the interests of Nova Roma that an oath of office should be devalued in the manner described in Section V of the Senatorial reprimand. Therefore the conduct as described at Section 7 is a violation of public morality and honor.

10. In recognition of our finding at Section 9 above and under the authority described at Section 1 above, we the censors of Nova Roma, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus and Gnaeus Iulius Caesar issue this censorial nota against Aula Tullia Scholastica. 

11. Aula Tullia Scholastica is deprived of her right to vote within and throughout Nova Roma and being a senator of Nova Roma is also removed from the Senate. These restrictions shall remain in force until such time as this nota is removed.

12. Removal of this nota shall occur when Aula Tullia Scholastica has apologized in the manner described in Section VII of the Senatorial reprimand and has also addressed her behavior to our collegiate satisfaction.


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, censor, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, censor.

Salvete omnes!

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Our latest newcomer is Appius Claudius Tranquillus from the USA. We wish him, and all other newcomers, a happy and informative time here.

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We wish you all many happy years with us, and welcome again to our Republic.

Valete omnes!
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NOVA ROMA FORUM ROMANUMSalve!
why did you post the nota?
Everybody knows about this affair and their private mails (just one of
them...) now.
Valete
NOTA: QUINTUS FABIUS MAXIMUS Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:53 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Gnaeus Iulius Caesar" gnaeus_iulius_caesar CENSORIAL NOTA ISSUED AGAINST
QUINTUS FABIUS MAXIMUS BY THE CENSORS TIBERIUS GALERIUS PAULINUS AND GNAEUS
IULIUS CAESAR

1. Under the authority of Section IV.A.1.f of the Nova Roman Constitution,
the censors are empowered to issue a nota to "safeguard the public morality
and honor".

2. As Section IV.A.1.f of the Nova Roman Constitution does not define
"public morality and honor" the process as laid down in Section III of the
Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, passed by the
Senate in January 2765 A.U.C., shall be used to provide a definition.

3. Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and honor" as
laid down in section III.1 the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from
legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition of "public" in
relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by the FindLaw website
as "of or relating to business or community interests as opposed to private
affairs [ policy] [a matter of concern]".

4. Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and honor" as
laid down in section III.2 the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from
legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition of "morality"; in
relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by the Merriam-Webster
dictionary website as "conformity to ideals of right human conduct".

5. Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and honor" as
laid down in section III.2 the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from
legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition of "honor" in
relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by the Merriam-Webster
dictionary website as "a keen sense of ethical conduct".

6. Under the authority of Section VII of the Senatus consultum on derived
meaning from legal authorities, we ascribe the final and lawful meaning of
"public morality and honor" as "conduct that conforms to the ideals of right
and ethical human conduct as it relates to the community interests of Nova
Roma".

7. An email sent by Quintus Fabius Maximus to the consul Lucius Cornelius
Sulla Felix on Wednesday May 1st 2013 contained a conditional threat of
violence against the person of the consul, namely ""Mr Woolwine. You call
me a liar publicly once more, and I'll drive out to zona and punch you in
the mouth! You feel me?"

8. Parsing the threat described in Section 7 above against the definition in
Section 6 above, we find that making a threat to punch a fellow citizen in
the mouth is self-evidently not right or ethical human conduct, nor is it in
the interests of Nova Roma that free speech and/or the conduct of government
should be constrained and/or retaliated against by threats of, or the actual
commission of, violence. Therefore the threat at Section 7 is a violation of
public morality and honor.

9. In recognition of our finding at Section 8 above and under the authority
described at Section 1 above, we the censors of Nova Roma, Tiberius Galerius
Paulinus and Gnaeus Iulius Caesar issue this censorial nota against Quintus
Fabius Maximus.

10. Quintus Fabius Maximus is deprived of his right to vote within and
throughout Nova Roma and being a senator of Nova Roma is also removed from
the Senate. These restrictions shall remain in force until such time as this
nota is removed.

11. Removal of this nota shall occur when Quintus Fabius Maximus has
addressed his behavior to our collegiate satisfaction.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, censor, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, censor.

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To answer a question raised by Mr. Guzzo, the issuance of a Nota by the
Censors is a public action. Because each nota results from the action of a
citizen or citizens which has either had or could have a negative effect on
this community, those actions, and the resulting actions of the Censors are
public business and must be treated as such. That means that the citizens
must be informed both of the actions and the Censors' response in our main
forum (this list) and any other forum the Censors deem necessary for full
disclosure.



In addition, because a Nota also contains punitive measures and redress for
those measures, they must be public documents so that citizens may be fully
informed, as a demonstration of what will happen when a citizen commits acts
deemed to be against the public good, and to protect all citizens from
private actions by the Government of the Res Publica. This is why, for
example, (at least in this country) trials are public, as are certain
actions in the House of Representatives and United States Senate, including
the impeachment of a President of the United States.



Government must, to be credible, function in public view, so we make the
content of each Nota, each Lex and each Senatus Consultum and Senatus
Consultum Ultimum public. Although we have not had a trial in a few years,
should that happen, that trial would be accessible to the citizens, as well.




The most dangerous thing we could do would be to allow the Government of our
community to reprimand and punish its citizens privately, because such
actions could be so easily abused.



I hope I have explained why the Nota were posted here, as public documents.



Vale et valete!

C. Maria Caeca



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C. Petronius Cn. Caesari et Ti. Galerio salutem dicit,
 
I am amazed on your feeling of the honor and morality. If Q. Fabius sent some bad words to Sulla, then you speak about honor and morality? Words are words, honor and morality are not in words but in facts. Read Catullus about his liberty with the morals in his writings, but not in his life. It is a nonsense to use morality and honor about words. . What notas (Lat. notae) would have had the Roman senators in this case. This kind of exchanges of bad words was common and current between Roman senators, when Roma was a Republic. Read the speech of Cicero against Pison, the phrase of Q. Fabius against L. Sulla is a gentle compliment in comparison. Here one phrase, there a whole speech.
 
But I am less amazed when I read the 2 individuals in whom you put a nota, they are your free opponents. 
 
Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Idibus Iuniis MMDCCLXVI
 

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CENSORIAL NOTA ISSUED AGAINST QUINTUS FABIUS MAXIMUS BY THE CENSORS TIBERIUS GALERIUS PAULINUS AND GNAEUS IULIUS CAESAR

1. Under the authority of Section IV.A.1.f of the Nova Roman Constitution, the censors are empowered to issue a nota to "safeguard the public morality and honor".

2. As Section IV.A.1.f of the Nova Roman Constitution does not define "public morality and honor" the process as laid down in Section III of the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, passed by  the Senate in January 2765 A.U.C., shall be used to provide a definition.

3. Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and honor" as laid down in section III.1 the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition of "public" in relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by the FindLaw website as "of or relating to business or community interests as opposed to private affairs [ policy] [a matter of concern]".

4.  Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and honor" as laid down in section III.2 the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition of "morality" in relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by the Merriam-Webster dictionary website as "conformity to ideals of right human conduct".

5.  Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and honor" as laid down in section III.2 the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition of "honor" in relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by the Merriam-Webster dictionary website as "a keen sense of ethical conduct".

6. Under the authority of Section VII of the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, we ascribe the final and lawful meaning of "public morality and honor" as "conduct that conforms to the ideals of right and ethical human conduct as it relates to the community interests of Nova Roma". 

7. An email sent by Quintus Fabius Maximus to the consul Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix on Wednesday May 1st 2013 contained a conditional threat of violence against the person of the consul, namely ""Mr Woolwine.  You call me a liar publicly once more, and I'll drive out to zona and punch you in the mouth!  You feel me?"

8. Parsing the threat described in Section 7 above against the definition in Section 6 above, we find that making a threat to punch a fellow citizen in the mouth is self-evidently not right or ethical human conduct, nor is it in the interests of Nova Roma that free speech and/or the conduct of government should be constrained and/or retaliated against by threats of, or the actual commission of, violence. Therefore the threat at Section 7 is a violation of public morality and honor.

9. In recognition of our finding at Section 8 above and under the authority described at Section 1 above, we the censors of Nova Roma, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus and Gnaeus Iulius Caesar issue this censorial nota against Quintus Fabius Maximus. 

10. Quintus Fabius Maximus is deprived of his right to vote within and throughout Nova Roma and being a senator of Nova Roma is also removed from the Senate. These restrictions shall remain in force until such time as this nota is removed.

11. Removal of this nota shall occur when Quintus Fabius Maximus has addressed his behavior to our collegiate satisfaction.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, censor, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, censor.     



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M. Pompeius C. Petronio spd.


I agree with you in a large part; however, in California, Arizona and
most other US states, verbal threats can carry criminal and/or civil
penalties. In the case of California, the intent to instill fear is a
key component of the criminal statue for verbal threats. I believe
Fabius was quite sincere in his attempt to instill fear in Sulla. Not
that it actually succeeded but this was clearly not a jest or an off the
cuff remark. It was calculated and deliberate. So, although my first
reaction to words like this exchanged between Senatores is basically, "
so what?" or "who cares?" the fact is that verbal threats of physical
violence do cross a line. One Senator calling another a moron or
something more colorful is essentially harmless but one Senator telling
another in all seriousness that he will physically assault him is not
acceptable. Regardless of how our Roman forefathers may have behaved.


I do not wholeheartedly support the Nota since the threat was a bit tame
and may not actually result in a conviction in a court but I can see the
Nota does have some merit and this matter is fully within the scope of
Censores official duties. Therefore, the Nota cannot be as easily
dismissed as political gamesmanship as you seem to believe. I hope both
Senatores will offer a bit more decorum towards one another both
publicly and privately.


Marcus Pompeius Caninus
Tribunus Plebis
America Boreoccidentalis

Vivat Nova Roma!





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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] NOTA: QUINTUS FABIUS MAXIMUS
From: Jean-François Arnoud <jfarnoud94@... Date: Wed, June 12, 2013 9:10 pm
To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
C. Petronius Cn. Caesari et Ti. Galerio salutem dicit,

I am amazed on your feeling of the honor and morality. If Q. Fabius
sent some bad words to Sulla, then you speak about honor and morality?
Words are words, honor and morality are not in words but in facts. Read
Catullus about his liberty with the morals in his writings, but not in
his life. It is a nonsense to use morality and honor about words. . What
notas (Lat. notae) would have had the Roman senators in this case. This
kind of exchanges of bad words was common and current between Roman
senators, when Roma was a Republic. Read the speech of Cicero against
Pison, the phrase of Q. Fabius against L. Sulla is a gentle compliment
in comparison. Here one phrase, there a whole speech.

But I am less amazed when I read the 2 individuals in whom you put a
nota, they are your free opponents.

Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Idibus Iuniis MMDCCLXVI


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Objet : [Nova-Roma] NOTA: QUINTUS FABIUS MAXIMUS




CENSORIAL NOTA ISSUED AGAINST QUINTUS FABIUS MAXIMUS BY THE CENSORS
TIBERIUS GALERIUS PAULINUS AND GNAEUS IULIUS CAESAR

1. Under the authority of Section IV.A.1.f of the Nova Roman
Constitution, the censors are empowered to issue a nota to "safeguard
the public morality and honor".

2. As Section IV.A.1.f of the Nova Roman Constitution does not define
"public morality and honor" the process as laid down in Section III of
the Senatus consultum on derived meaning from legal authorities, passed
by the Senate in January 2765 A.U.C., shall be used to provide a
definition.

3. Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and
honor" as laid down in section III.1 the Senatus consultum on derived
meaning from legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition
of "public" in relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by
the FindLaw website as "of or relating to business or community
interests as opposed to private affairs [ policy] [a matter of
concern]".

4. Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and
honor" as laid down in section III.2 the Senatus consultum on derived
meaning from legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition
of "morality" in relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by
the Merriam-Webster dictionary website as "conformity to ideals of right
human conduct".

5. Using the process for defining the phrase "public morality and
honor" as laid down in section III.2 the Senatus consultum on derived
meaning from legal authorities, we find that the appropriate definition
of "honor" in relation to the right at section 1 above is defined by the
Merriam-Webster dictionary website as "a keen sense of ethical conduct".

6. Under the authority of Section VII of the Senatus consultum on
derived meaning from legal authorities, we ascribe the final and lawful
meaning of "public morality and honor" as "conduct that conforms to the
ideals of right and ethical human conduct as it relates to the community
interests of Nova Roma".

7. An email sent by Quintus Fabius Maximus to the consul Lucius
Cornelius Sulla Felix on Wednesday May 1st 2013 contained a conditional
threat of violence against the person of the consul, namely ""Mr
Woolwine. You call me a liar publicly once more, and I'll drive out to
zona and punch you in the mouth! You feel me?"

8. Parsing the threat described in Section 7 above against the
definition in Section 6 above, we find that making a threat to punch a
fellow citizen in the mouth is self-evidently not right or ethical human
conduct, nor is it in the interests of Nova Roma that free speech and/or
the conduct of government should be constrained and/or retaliated
against by threats of, or the actual commission of, violence. Therefore
the threat at Section 7 is a violation of public morality and honor.

9. In recognition of our finding at Section 8 above and under the
authority described at Section 1 above, we the censors of Nova Roma,
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus and Gnaeus Iulius Caesar issue this censorial
nota against Quintus Fabius Maximus.

10. Quintus Fabius Maximus is deprived of his right to vote within and
throughout Nova Roma and being a senator of Nova Roma is also removed
from the Senate. These restrictions shall remain in force until such
time as this nota is removed.

11. Removal of this nota shall occur when Quintus Fabius Maximus has
addressed his behavior to our collegiate satisfaction.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, censor, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, censor.



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Caesar Dextro sal

This is not Rome. This is Nova Roma, functioning within the 21st century inside macronational states replete with their own set of laws. This is a tired argument you advance that has been long circulated by some inside Nova Roma, Maior especially. It is an apples and oranges argument. We cannot entirely function according to Roman codes of conduct, because we do not, whatever documents we produce ourselves, own the sovereignty necessary to do so. Macronational laws and liability apply to us, and to the corporation of Nova Roma Inc. We do not sit apart from the wider world. Cicero dwelt in a world where there was a greater freedom of expression - Rome owned its own sovereignty. The 21st century with its complexity of laws on liability is less tolerant. 

In respect of this matter, I have no intention of endlessly debating it (or the other matter) here, but I will simply say that in both cases 48 hours were afforded to each citizen concerned to address the respective matters. That was not required and notae could have been issued immediately, but it was a way to resolve both issues without the need for a nota. That period passed with no action by both citizens. 

In this case you mainly discuss here, when a complaint is made to me as censor I will look into it. A complaint was made. At that point, given that Nova Roma chose to make morality and honor a part of the censors' duties in the Constitution, and given that words are the form of interaction we mostly experience in Nova Roma (apart from the odd face to face contact), then clearly the use of language will inevitably fall under the censorial sphere under certain circumstances. Those certain circumstances include threatening to punch people in the mouth. 

Therefore as we as a society exist on words exchanged here and elsewhere, and given that the administration of public morality and honor is a responsibility of the censors, and given that the dictionary definition of the component words of the phrase "public morality and honor" set the test that must be applied, and given that a failure of a Nova Roman magistrate to act on something which not only clearly falls within the concept of "public morality and honor" and his/her sphere of jurisdiction would create a potential liability both inside and outside of Nova Roma, then this cannot be ignored. If it were then liability can be said to exist for Nova Roma Inc. for its officials failing to enforce its own code of conduct.

Finally the last thing to remember is that no one made Fabius threaten the consul, and no one compelled Scholastica along the path she took. Both individuals controlled their own behavior and thus must take responsibility for the consequences of their own actions through the use of their words. If however both Senators can produce doctors notes that state they are not mentally fit and able, and are subject to irrational fits of threats of violence or a compulsion to lie, then naturally the censors will review such documents.

Optime vale


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From: Jean-François Arnoud <jfarnoud94@... To: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] NOTA: QUINTUS FABIUS MAXIMUS



 
C. Petronius Cn. Caesari et Ti. Galerio salutem dicit,
 
I am amazed on your feeling of the honor and morality. If Q. Fabius sent some bad words to Sulla, then you speak about honor and morality? Words are words, honor and morality are not in words but in facts. Read Catullus about his liberty with the morals in his writings, but not in his life. It is a nonsense to use morality and honor about words. . What notas (Lat. notae) would have had the Roman senators in this case. This kind of exchanges of bad words was common and current between Roman senators, when Roma was a Republic. Read the speech of Cicero against Pison, the phrase of Q. Fabius against L. Sulla is a gentle compliment in comparison. Here one phrase, there a whole speech.
 
But I am less amazed when I read the 2 individuals in whom you put a nota, they are your free opponents. 
 
Optime valete.

C. Petronius Dexter
Arcoiali scribebat
Idibus Iuniis MMDCCLXVI
 

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CENSORIAL NOTA ISSUED AGAINST QUINTUS FABIUS MAXIMUS BY THE CENSORS TIBERIUS GALERIUS PAULINUS AND GNAEUS IULIUS CAESAR

1. Under the authority of Section IV.A.1.f of the Nova Roman Constitution, the censors are empowered to issue a nota to "safeguard the public morality and honor".

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